[01:52] <metres> Hello, just installed Disco Dingo and tryng to run docker... I started a docker using "docker run ..." and I am unable to stop it with ctrl+c or with docker stop with the container id... any clue..?
[01:52] <metres> ( I install the docker.io package by the way )
[02:03] <OerHeks> metres, a short quick start https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-use-docker-on-ubuntu-18-04#step-6-%E2%80%94-managing-docker-containers
[02:36] <metres> OerHeks: My issue was not with docker, it was apparmor that prevent killing containers...
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:34] <pragomer> hi I am new to kubuntu (and happy with plasma) coming from xubuntu. I got this issue: I have a synology nas with 3 shares that are mounted via cifs in fstab. When I shut the nas down without unmounting the 3 drives, dolphin hangs always, is ultra slow, etc.. as it would try to connect to the nonexistent drives..
[16:34] <pragomer> did not have this with xfce
[16:38] <pragomer> any idea if and how kubuntu perhaps does not get that the nas is shut down and permanently searching for it?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> pragomer, dunno much about nas, perhaps ask in #kde chat, altho unmounting should work unless it unmounts for your LAN as well
[16:42] <pragomer> trying to unmount it via sudo umount /media/mynasshare tells me that it would be in use. but this isnt the case.
[16:42] <pragomer> theres is no process in htop that refers to it
[16:43] <pragomer> when trying to unmount via dolphin it tells me "no device found"


[00:38] <len-dt> zequence, same in 12.10
[00:48] <len-dt> I'm not running 12.10, but have a disk with it on this machine.
[12:23] <smartboyhw> Um now can someone tell me what that merge is for!?
[12:31] <zequence> smartboyhw: Check the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/1076975
[12:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, then you merge it (strangely since the Website Team is now under the Dev Team I actually get direct push access to ~ubuntustudio-dev branches)
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work
[12:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Really? That's a mistake. I suggest you do not do any merges on your own.
[12:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, that is a mistake....
[12:39] <scott-work> good morning smartboyhw
[12:39]  * smartboyhw will not do any merge
[12:39] <smartboyhw> scott-work, zequence please fix it then:P
[12:39] <zequence> scott-work: smartboyhw says the website team gets ubuntustudio-dev team privileges
[12:39] <scott-work> zequence: ooooooh. hmmmm, we need to fix that
[12:39] <smartboyhw> since ubuntustudio-website is a direct subteam of ubuntustudio-dev
[12:39] <smartboyhw> scott-work, yes:D
[12:40] <zequence> Maybe the teams should have the opposite relationship
[12:40] <zequence> Or none at all
[12:40]  * smartboyhw thinks none is better
[12:40] <zequence> It seems weird, how the hiearchy works
[12:41] <scott-work> zequence: we could place all under ~ubuntustudio i suppose
[12:41] <zequence> scott-work: Yea
[12:41] <scott-work> anyone of a sub team then would also be only part of ubuntustudio
[12:41] <zequence> That sounds sound to me
[12:41]  * smartboyhw thinks it is great
[12:42] <scott-work> we will need to get janne involved most likely. i believe he is owner of ~ubuntustudio. but i also seem to recall a team or project that is owned by luis as well
[12:44] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I thought you are now the owner...
[12:45] <scott-work> oh, maybe i am. i can check those out in a bit
[13:01]  * smartboyhw hates the Ubuntu Forums Ops for playing jokes on the Ubuntu Studio Section on the Forums
[13:02] <scott-work> smartboyhw: what did they do?
[13:03] <scott-work> smartboyhw: oh, would you also like to write something up for the website (then get posted to social) about the changes in our testing for this cycle
[13:04] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK. But how do I post it to social websites eh!?
[13:05] <smartboyhw> The jokes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1412430/  (A very bad joke)
[13:06] <smartboyhw> zequence, where is that "staging" area BTW? (I want to have a look
[13:06] <scott-work> me or kaj can get it on to g+ and facebook
[13:06] <smartboyhw> scott-work, so I can't and so social websites aren't my job:P
[13:06] <scott-work> i'll probably then post it to my blog, facebook, g+, twitter, identi.ca
[13:07]  * smartboyhw really needs to get membership (in January) to post more about QA)
[13:07] <scott-work> not necessarily, i think that only g+ has a multi-manager feature at this point
[13:07] <scott-work> and kaj has only _just_ been set up on there
[13:07] <scott-work> i need to look at the facebook page and see what can be posted there as well
[13:08] <smartboyhw> Hmm BTW scott-work I think for the posts we can add more "Categories"
[13:08] <scott-work> and to be honest, if the plugin is installed onto the website, having multiple managers of multiple social networks is moot
[13:08] <smartboyhw> scott-work, when is the plugin going in!?
[13:08] <scott-work> smartboyhw: absolutely, remember, we really haven't used the website (as we probably should have been) so many things are not developed at all
[13:09] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i don't know. although kaj has made an RT ticket, we really have no control past that point other than poking people from time to time
[13:10] <scott-work> does anyone know who 'Gunnar Hjalmarsson' is and why he is proposed the merge?
[13:10] <scott-work> is this something ubuntu vanilla is doing?
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: ubuntustudio.mousike.me
[13:12] <smartboyhw> scott-work, should be. He subscribed the Ubuntu Sponsors Team for that
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: No theme loaded yet, so it's just standard WP
[13:12] <zequence> scott-work: You're the owner of ~ubuntustudio
[13:12] <zequence> astraljava changed that for us a while back
[13:13] <zequence> smartboyhw: We're waiting for a plugin to be installed on WP, allowing us to post to multiple sites at once
[13:13]  * smartboyhw goes to rt.ubuntu.com
[13:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, let me leave a reply on the staging area:P
[13:14] <zequence> scott-work: We should be able to post to facebook from WP later. So, it's only G+ out of the social sites that doesn't have this possibility, because of their hidden API
[13:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: That will be more of a playground area. We'll have the opportunity to do changes to the theme, and see the results right away
[13:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, for the first thing: Can't you just install the theme made by knome!?
[13:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: I will let knome handle that. He has full access to the server.
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zequence,ooh
[13:16] <smartboyhw> knome is our web mastermind...:D
[13:40] <astraljava> Did we have a amd64+mac version of our image already? Someone asking on mailing list.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava, NO
[13:41] <astraljava> Right, thought as much.
[13:41] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I don't think we have people to support and test these images anyway
[13:42] <astraljava> True, I could only test the live part of it.
[13:42] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what do you mean!?
[13:42] <astraljava> I have (thus far) access to my work MBP, but I won't be resizing the hard drive, nor definitely be doing the whole-disk installations.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> astraljava, ouch OK
[13:43] <astraljava> Ahh... man. Different things altogether.
[13:43]  * astraljava feels so silly.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:43] <astraljava> I should try to handle 37.4 matters at once.
[13:43] <smartboyhw> astraljava, list them:P
[13:44] <astraljava> It was about Windows8 machines, not Macs.
[13:44] <smartboyhw> astraljava, uh hum alright
[13:44] <smartboyhw> BTW guys had a question since that guy asked about Ubuntu Studio and Windows 8: Is it possible that we get a linux-lowlatency-signed image?
[13:45] <zequence> I think that will be totally up to the kernel guys
[13:45] <zequence> Don't know yet how that works at all
[13:45] <astraljava> Talk on the support phone, answer support emails, write follow-up questions to internal support requests, code one customer project, code another customer project, code yet another customer project, code internal dev project, drink coffee, eat chocolate, solve support issues on Ubuntu Studio, read imgur, think of Grumpy Cat jokes...
[13:45] <astraljava> Damn, this is exhausting.
[13:46] <smartboyhw> astraljava, LOL
[13:46] <zequence> Heard they are still waiting for Microsoft to respond to some stupid request from the Linux Foundation about that
[13:46] <smartboyhw> holiday for me for the coming two days
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh is it?
[13:46] <astraljava> zequence: Right, thanks.
[13:47] <zequence> http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/adventures-in-microsoft-uefi-signing/
[13:48] <zequence> "However, that’s the status: We’re still waiting for Microsoft to give the Linux Foundation a validly signed pre-bootloader.  When that happens, it will get uploaded to the Linux Foundation website for all to use"
[13:48] <zequence> I guess that will be the same for all kernels
[13:48] <smartboyhw> zequence, wow
[13:49] <astraljava> I wouldn't hold my breath either.
[13:49]  * smartboyhw is starting an ambitious project to try to translate most open source projects into the specific Chinese (Hong Kong) language.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> My goal for 13.04 and 13.10:P
[13:49] <zequence> smartboyhw: Use google translate :P
[13:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, no no no:P
[13:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, if that is we don't even need translators
[13:50] <zequence> That does sound a little ambitious, yes. How much text is that, and how many work hours?
[13:50] <smartboyhw> zequence, probably 1 million strings and 1000 work hours (one package at a time)
[13:51] <zequence> If you can finish a 10th of that, I'll be impressed
[13:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[13:52] <smartboyhw> True
[13:52] <zequence> And I'm not being sarcastic, when I say that
[13:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes you are not
[13:54] <zequence> astraljava: Drinking coffee, eating chocolate and reading imgur are important efficiency heightening activities!
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Anyone got a Nexus 7 to play with the core images?
[13:54]  * smartboyhw really hopes to have one
[13:56] <zequence> I'm thinking of getting a Nokia N9
[13:56] <zequence> Someone had one at UDS, and showed me a setting which allowed you to enable a linux repo, I think it was a Debian one
[13:56] <astraljava> zequence: Absolutely! I brought a coffee mug here at work, in April.  When my boss saw it, she pondered whether we have company policies prohibiting the use of silly coffee mugs.
[13:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, no Nokia is rubbish (after 2010)
[13:58] <astraljava> zequence: When I was developing sw for MeeGo, I really wanted to get the N9, because the dev model, N950 was one of the best phones I've ever laid my hands on. But then sadly they stripped the physical qwerty, and I mourned.
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: Not the N9. I wouldn't have been interested in it otherwise, but since it can install GNU/Linux software directly, it's quite a machine actually
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: The guy was playing quake3 on it
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Oh
[13:59] <zequence> astraljava: The performance is bad?
[13:59]  * smartboyhw has the cheapest smartphone from Samsung
[13:59] <zequence> smartboyhw: Nokia wouldn't have released the N9, had they not had a contract with Intel where they were required to do so.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh?
[14:00] <zequence> This is since they are now collaborating with Microsoft, and has shut the door to anything Linux
[14:00] <zequence> The former Linux people have moved on. There are a couple of other projects going on, in the wake of that. Jolla, for instance
[14:01] <zequence> You'll probably be seeing Jolla in China next year
[14:02] <zequence> I was intending to get a Samsung SIII, but when I saw the N9, the geek inside me talked me out of it
[14:03] <astraljava> zequence: No, I just really would love to have a physical qwerty.
[14:03] <astraljava> S3 is awesome, though! Even without the qwerty.
[14:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: It would be a terrible work situation, if no silly coffee cups were allowed.  It has eyes that bleed. Amongst other things. It never fails to get the appropriate reaction on any customer visitors we might have.
[14:06] <astraljava> But I concur, it's better with the silly mugs.
[14:10] <zequence> Might be terribly difficult to find a N9 though
[14:10] <zequence> It seems to be out in all the stores
[14:11] <zequence> Nah, it's available
[14:11] <zequence> About 200 €. Fair price
[14:13] <astraljava> Jolla, a new start-up, bought the licenses for N950, and are developing a new phone line on top of that heritage. They recently came out with a demo of the ecosystem. But I have no idea when we'll be able to see the first actual products.
[14:13] <zequence> astraljava: Seems like there's a chance a product may be out next year, but they will be starting out in China, from what I understand
[14:14] <astraljava> Right'o.
[14:28]  * smartboyhw realizes that installing WordPress is quite easy
[14:36] <zequence> smartboyhw: Same thing with most web applications
[14:37] <zequence> This is an automatic install, on a web hotel, so it's even easier. I just push a button
[14:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, I have even managed to get the Studio theme on it
[14:37] <smartboyhw> However I
[14:37] <smartboyhw> am getting something like     arning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php on line 26
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[14:37] <smartboyhw> arning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php on line 26
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[14:38]  * smartboyhw apologizes for copying the wrong things
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Go to smartboyhw.tk
[14:38] <zequence> Check what it says on the line 26 in /home/a6997917/public_html/wp-content/themes/ubuntustudio-wp/tabs.php
[14:38] <zequence> there's a foreach() function there, that is not working for some reason
[14:39] <zequence> Perhaps something is missing?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, probably\
[14:39]  * smartboyhw will go and install every plugin that is available in the main website
[14:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, got rid of that error now go to smartboyhw.tk again:D
[15:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, BTW what's your old account doing here joining the main team?:P https://launchpad.net/~ailo
[15:14] <micahg> smartboyhw: not advised, each plugin is a potential additional security hole
[15:25] <scott-work> micahg: i believe he is talking about installing it on a non-canonical staging area setup by kaj
[15:25] <scott-work> micahg: btw, how are you doing these days? i haven't spoken to you in a while
[15:26] <micahg> scott-work: really busy, trying to stay afloat
[15:33] <smartboyhw> scott-work, that is an INDEPENDENT staging area. :P
[15:33] <smartboyhw> micahg, don't worry it aren't in the main sites:P
[15:34] <smartboyhw> For myself only, I will use other themes soon
[15:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: ~ailo is a third account, which I use for testing stuff, when I need to not be a member of some groups
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, so many accounts;P
[15:40] <zequence> I only have two now, which is the same as before I created the new one
[17:18] <zequence> scott-work: So, we should probably decide a time when to talk about what we would like to try to change for the website
[18:49] <scott-work> webchat dropped connection. this is the last thing i saw:
 scott-work: So, we should probably decide a time when to talk about what we would like to try to change for the website
[18:50] <scott-work> zequence: we can talk about it now if you would like. i can only think of a small selection of changes at this point.
[18:55] <zequence> scott-work: I think what we want is a good looking front, with a news feed. I'm thinking the optimal solution aught to be a page showing a short intro to Ubuntu Studio, under that a header saying "Latest News", and then a news feed with headers and short descriptions
[18:56] <scott-work> does this mean removing the slide show portion?
[18:56] <zequence> No
[18:56] <zequence> We keep that as is. Just make the content under it be a bit more informative than now
[18:57] <zequence> As for the news feed, I could imagine just showing one article is enough, if there's a link to "news" as well
[18:57] <scott-work> i wonder if the short intro to ubuntu studio could be in the right column
[18:58] <zequence> The right column is more auxiliary, isn't it? Like a toolbox
[18:58] <zequence> Actually, it's quite easy to add hmtl content to it
[18:58] <scott-work> i'm not sure to be honest, i was just thinking about ways to minimize how much vertical space we use by stacking things on top of each other
[18:58] <zequence> Like embedded youtube
[18:59] <zequence> It would be one page size
[18:59] <scott-work> zequence: i say, if you have a vision implement it, and then we can iterate if we need to from that point
[18:59] <scott-work> err "if you have a vision *then* implement it,"
[19:00] <zequence> Yea. We could actually try different versions
[19:00] <zequence> I'll talk with knome
[19:00] <zequence> I do some php myself, so I will probably want to get under the hood a bit with this one
[19:13] <zequence> scott-work: Do we have a slogan?
[19:14] <zequence> I think if we had a slogan that clearly says what Ubuntu Studio is, it would be enough as informational text on the front page
[19:15] <zequence> The Artistic Operative System. Somethine like that
[19:17] <zequence> Well, something better than that
[19:17] <zequence> Operative System for Multimedia Content Creation. A bit technical, but might work. Especially with some nice font
[19:18] <zequence> We could add something like that. A slogan, or a descriptive text beneath the logo
[19:19] <zequence> It would be nice if it had some energy, but still was very correct
[19:25] <zequence> Ah, what does the plymoth theme say? OS for creative human beings?
[19:40] <zequence> scott-work: Something like this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Frontpage.png
[20:29] <scott-work> "create stuff...using ubuntu studio" :P
[20:30] <scott-work> sorry, been busy with emergencies
[20:30] <holstein> "get it together!"
 Linux is not the most accurate term, but from a laymans perspective, it makes things very clear
[22:05] <zequence> ..and it has energy
[22:23] <scott-work> sorry, more "fires" at work. i'm glad you like the concept, i was quite happy with the thought and how it turned out. not the best, but certainly pleasing. to me at least
[22:24] <zequence> scott-work: I think we should go with it. We could add it to the current logo, but also make a new one.


[13:21] <dings_> does anyone here know how to get an image attached to the help.ubuntu.com/community wiki and then get it displayed??
[13:22] <dings_> seems that it works neither using attachment:myimage.png nor [[myimage.png]] - as it says in the moinmoin documentation
[13:22] <dings_> or can there simply be only text there?
[13:23] <dings_> if it works (and i am just too daft) can someone please have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook/TripleBoot and fix the screenshots?
[13:24] <dings_> i dont even remeber how i attached them in the 1st place (way back then) today :-/
[19:40] <Rocket2DMn> is there an interwiki link for help.ubuntu.com/community from wiki.ubuntu.com?
[20:11] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: doesn't look like it, only the other way round (the InterWiki page has details)
[20:12] <Rocket2DMn> thats pretty weak, we should be able to implement that, i mean, we'd use it more than enough....
[20:12] <Rocket2DMn> im using the new theme right now, too, i dont see a link to add attachments...
[20:12] <mdke> yes, it's easy to add
[20:12] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah, I noticed that too, dunno why
[20:13] <mdke> possibly it has moved in the upgrade to Moin 1.6
[20:13] <Rocket2DMn> the only other thing that really bothers me about the new theme is that Heading 1 doesnt have a bar going across the screen, i really think that helps keep pages sectioned off nicely
[20:13] <mdke> I'll fix it
[20:14] <mdke> I don't like the bar going across the screen, it's really intrusive
[20:14] <Rocket2DMn> we must be able to do something, at least a partial splitter
[20:14] <Rocket2DMn> like one that fades off at 2/3 of the way across the page
[20:15] <mdke> it's possible to do it, I just prefer headings without. I'll have a think about it though.
[20:17] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, im moving the BT wiki area right now (the stuff i didnt do last weekend)
[20:18] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: awesome, thanks a lot
[20:19] <Rocket2DMn> no problem, there are some pages that can be deleted (logs), but we need to ease the rest of the stuff over, so most pages cant be deleted anytime soon
[21:07] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: alright, just mark them as deleted when ready
[22:52] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: do you know if this page can be deleted? It's not clear whether the merge has taken place or not
[22:52] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Top20
[22:52] <Rocket2DMn> let me check
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, its probably OK to delete, it's not a Beginners Team page, it just links to us.  It's rather old and outdated as well
[22:53] <Rocket2DMn> we're not going to draw from it
[22:53] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: fine, will do. Thanks
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> np
[23:03] <mdke> hmm. I'm not sure about this one - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwarePackagingFormats
[23:04] <mdke> it's not obvious whether all the material is duplicated elsewhere
[23:45] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, probably https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> not sure that needs to be deleted tho, your call
[23:47] <Rocket2DMn> are you still working on deleting pages right now?


[01:16] <grl> Hello, I have an application that is sending broadcast requests by an UDP socket, but i think xubuntu is blocking it. How can i check if xubuntu is allowing broadcast?
[07:58] <dorianjames> hello
[07:58] <diogenes_> hello
[08:02] <dorianjames> i have a real annoying issue with my install of xubuntu. Would you be able to help me? The wifi is blocked by hardware
[08:03] <dorianjames> i've tried a lot of things from forums with no luck
[08:13] <diogenes_> dorianjames, what about checking bios?
[08:13] <diogenes_> there are cases when it's blocked in bios
[08:17] <dorianjames> i don't see any options in the BIOS for WIFI
[08:18] <diogenes_> what is the laptop model?
[08:19] <dorianjames> lenovo t430s
[08:20] <dorianjames> i'v seen something about a ribbon cable inside but i really don't want to open it up.
[08:30] <diogenes_> dorianjames, keep in mind, when it's about lenovo, you better ask for refund or throw it in the trash
[08:30] <diogenes_> lenovo is the most crappy thing of all crappies thing ever
[08:32] <diogenes_> 90% of all people who come here for help are lenovo users
[09:08] <bazhang> hardware critique is better in #xubuntu-offtopic please
[09:09] <dorianjames> well i ended up opening it up and pushing the ribbon cable in more and that worked. thanks for your time
[10:05] <xubuntu49i-dave> test from 17.04 install slideshow..  akxwi-dave
[10:05] <akxwi-dave> good working as intended
[11:46] <aot> any idea why this doens't work in cron, but works from the cmd line: notify-send "break time"
[11:46] <aot> Apr 12 14:44:01 T400 CRON[5047]: (aot) CMD (notify-send "break time")
[12:15] <tsglove> Hello. I am setting up a small lab inside VirtualBox.  I want to create an "internal network" between those virtual machines.
[12:16] <tsglove> I was wondering: should I setup three different servers?  One for DHCP, one acting as gateway, and one as DNS?
[12:17] <aot> how can I know when my xubuntu was installed?
[12:18] <tsglove> tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 **OR** /dev/sdb1*  | grep 'Filesystem created:'
[12:18] <tsglove> maybe
[12:18] <tsglove> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9971/how-do-i-find-how-long-ago-a-linux-system-was-installed#9993
[12:21] <aot> oh, cool. thanks. yeah, should have just googled :)
[15:36] <AppAraat> hello, I would like to have Scale and Expo effects (https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/641v1n/kde_is_pretty_rad/dfzp3aj/) on Xubuntu 16.04 - What is the most stable way I can have those? Install compiz? If so, what compiz packages do I need?
[15:47] <xangua> Doesn't alt+tab do that already? Well kinda
[15:52] <AppAraat> yeah kinda, it lets me cycle through windows but doesn't really let me go 2 dimensional and select using arrow keys
[15:53] <AppAraat> also Expo... I frequently drag&drop windows to specified virtual desktops
[16:02] <AppAraat> lol installed compiz and did compiz --replace and now all window decorations are gone and I can't move my windows
[16:04] <AppAraat> some things never change :p
[16:08] <xangua> You needed a gtk/compiz window decorator ten years ago, you still need one today
[16:09] <AppAraat> why is that not included as dependency to compiz package though?
[16:11] <xangua> I believe it does, haven't used a combination of compiz and xfce since years ago
[16:12] <AppAraat> if it does then perhaps it's a (packaging?) bug?
[16:13] <xangua> You just need to figure out how to select a (metacity¿) theme, if you even have one installed
[16:13] <xangua> You can also install kwin, that would be actually a sane option since compiz doesn't seem to have a future
[16:13] <xangua> !compiz
[16:14] <xangua> Mmm there was a different factoid
[16:14] <AppAraat> I installed Xubuntu Core on Ubuntu 16.04 mini install if that matters.
[16:14] <AppAraat> oh kwin on 16.04 is a can of worms that I tried to fix but gave up on
[16:15] <AppAraat> it was my first choice though
[16:16] <xangua> You might be interested in mate (gnome two fork), it integrates with compiz better
[16:16] <AppAraat> is a metacity theme included here? Because every choice I make doesn't add window decos: https://s28.postimg.org/rp1thq6n1/Virtual_Box_minibuntu_16.04_12_04_2017_18_13_50.png
[16:16] <xangua> Or at least offers it in a default Ubuntu mate install
[16:17] <AppAraat> hmm, I'll try that. I tried Mate and Kwin and at least Kwin didn't crash then so I guess it might work.
[16:17] <xangua> Well xfce window settings will only show you xfce windows (xfwm) themes
[16:18] <AppAraat> ah I thought it was just WM configuration regardless of WM. I'll try to find Compiz config somewhere.
[16:18] <AppAraat> (should actually be in the menu)
[16:24] <AppAraat> well I installed compizconfig-settings-manager but couldn't find much there. I'll just try this with Mate and see how it goes.
[16:31] <xangua> Mate is a full desktop environment
[16:37] <AppAraat> XFCE too I think :p
[18:40] <xubuntu13d> hi im trying to find the right release to turn my old pc into home sever.. any help
[18:41] <knome> there are likely better distributions for home servers, but if you want xubuntu, pick any of the supported releases...
[18:41] <encomjones> xubuntu13d: I would use a LTS realease
[18:42] <xubuntu13d> ive tried lubuntu basic server but had ata2 error 16 probs
[18:43] <xubuntu13d> my system: pentium 4 3054 mhz socket 478 1gb ram
[18:43] <knome> if you are having hard drive issues, changing the distribution won't help
[18:44] <xubuntu13d> i read that the error can be fixed by selecting cable select
[18:44] <xubuntu13d> so do the release need certain hard drive
[18:45] <knome> no
[18:46] <xubuntu13d> thats what i thought.. the only os i can get to work is puppy.. is ther a ubuntu release simular
[18:48] <mrkramps> xubuntu13d, the complete error message would help identifying the exact problem
[18:48] <xubuntu13d> i will try xubuntu LTS then.. thanks
[18:48] <mrkramps> xubuntu13d, and you should check your hdd's s.m.a.r.t. values
[18:49] <xubuntu13d> is there any specific bios setting for the release
[18:49] <mrkramps> no
[18:50] <xubuntu13d> the hdd s.m.a.r.t is set in bios right?
[18:50] <mrkramps> no
[18:50] <xubuntu13d> ok
[18:50] <mrkramps> all hdd controller
[18:51] <mrkramps> and yes, it might be possible on very old drives the feature is not enabled
[18:51] <xubuntu13d> i remember seeing it when was enabling the usb booot
[18:52] <mrkramps> hmkay, might be possible you bios can ensure this feature enabled by the controller then
[18:53] <xubuntu13d> yes that was it.. the bios was simply enable s.m.a.r.t .. i'll search for it before trying LTS..
[18:53] <xubuntu13d> thanks


[08:37] <slow-motion> hi
[09:42] <nikolam> why plugins use so much ram in xfce?
[09:42] <nikolam> keyboard plugin 15 megs, etc
[09:42] <Sysi> to what are you comparing?
[10:42] <nikolam> Sysi, to nothing. I compare to common sense. Since I don't believe simple keyboard plugin must use 15 megs of RAM
[11:16] <TheSheep> nikolam: compare to gnome/kde plugins
[12:36] <jrmy> i'll have the iso downloaded shortly of xubuntu 10.04 but i dont know how to burn it on windows 7
[12:36] <jrmy> im using a dvd+r for the image burning
[12:36] <bazhang> infrarecorder
[12:36] <jrmy> will imgburn work just the same?
[12:37] <jrmy> imgburn is what i have atm
[12:37] <bazhang> could do, infrarecorder is the only one I know
[12:37] <jrmy> is there a wiki for this question?
[12:37] <jrmy> or even help on the xubuntu website?
[12:38] <bazhang> not for windows, you could try ##windows though
[12:38] <Sysi> !burning
[12:38] <jrmy> what do you select with infrarecorder?
[12:38] <bazhang> the iso?
[12:38] <jrmy> yes
[12:38] <jrmy> for a dvd burn
[12:38] <bazhang> then choose burn to disk, or right click
[12:38] <jrmy> that simple?
[12:39] <bazhang> should be
[12:39] <jrmy> i know speed being low is important
[12:39] <bazhang> if you try to drag and drop it should prompt you
[12:39] <jrmy> i might try imgburn anyways
[12:39] <bazhang> depends really, I get the torrent and burn at full speed
[12:42] <jrmy> ok i think i might just have it verify after burning
[12:42] <jrmy> i'll just go with whatever i try
[12:42] <bazhang> sounds good
[12:42] <jrmy> this laptop i want to use it with might just really suck
[12:42] <bazhang> if you have a usb stick you can use unetbootin
[12:42] <jrmy> i really want something better
[12:42] <jrmy> yeah.. like i said it really sucks
[12:43] <bazhang> provided your computer boots from usb
[12:43] <jrmy> i dont even think it boots from the disc drive properly
[12:43] <bazhang> heh
[12:43] <jrmy> stupid gateway
[12:44] <jrmy> i tried to boot puppy with this computer and it didnt work, worked fine on the other one though
[12:44] <bazhang> ok
[12:44] <jrmy> im going to assume the same will happen with xubuntu
[12:45] <jrmy> is there a way to change ubuntu into xubuntu?
[12:45] <bazhang> well if bootoptions dont work out, there is the alternate installer
[12:45] <bazhang> !bootoptions
[12:45] <jrmy> im running ubuntu 10.04 right now
[12:45] <bazhang> jrmy, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:46] <bazhang> jrmy, then choose from the login screen
[12:46] <jrmy> from the login screen?
[12:46] <bazhang> any of the -desktop packages can do that.
[12:46] <jrmy> rhetorical btw
[12:46] <bazhang> kubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntustudio, xubuntu, lubuntu
[12:46] <jrmy> so i'd have both?
[12:47] <bazhang> or as many as you want
[12:47] <jrmy> i might try that
[12:47] <bazhang> then just choose which one to log in with each time, or set one as default
[12:47] <jrmy> and if i dont want one of them anymore?
[12:47] <bazhang> a lot less hassle then installing a whole new iso
[12:48] <jrmy> i'll agree
[12:48] <bazhang> then !purekde  !puregnome !purexubuntu (not sure about last)
[12:48] <bazhang> !purexfce
[12:48] <jrmy> !pure uninstalls?
[12:48] <bazhang> it gives instructions
[12:48] <bazhang> !purekde
[12:49] <bazhang> for example^^
[12:49] <bazhang> psychocats.net should have the purexfce one
[12:49] <bazhang> ie xubuntu
[12:50] <jrmy> ok so basically the command interprets "to have this only"
[12:50] <bazhang> well the webpage links to instructions on how to remove the other DE
[12:50] <jrmy> what is DE?
[12:50] <jrmy> and KDE
[12:50] <bazhang> you can copy and paste the instructions into a terminal and then voila
[12:51] <bazhang> GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE4, etc
[12:51] <jrmy> ok
[12:51] <bazhang> not simply a window manager, but a suite of applications as well
[12:51] <Sysi> (desktop enviroment)
[12:52] <bazhang> like xubuntu uses thunar instead of nautilus as a file manager, etc.
[12:52] <jrmy> ok
[12:52] <bazhang> lubuntu has chromium as the default browser instead of firefox
[12:52] <jrmy> well im installing xubuntu now
[12:52] <bazhang> ok
[12:52] <jrmy> and xubuntu?
[12:53] <bazhang> firefox I'd guess
[12:53] <bazhang> you can easily switch that out though
[12:53] <jrmy> ok
[12:53] <bazhang> chromium-browser is the package name
[12:54] <jrmy> ok so if i have xubuntu loaded upon login are other files still the same?
[12:55] <bazhang> sure
[12:55] <bazhang> if by other files you mean stuff in home
[12:55] <jrmy> ok i'd have to clarify that
[12:55] <jrmy> and yes i mean that
[12:55] <bazhang> yep
[12:55] <jrmy> ok
[12:55] <jrmy> i'll also find out once i do so
[12:55] <bazhang> in future you might consider a separate /home partition
[12:55] <jrmy> heh
[12:56] <jrmy> well i need to eat
[12:56] <bazhang> oh yeah, nothing to find out, it'll be the same
[12:56] <bazhang> ok, good luck
[12:56] <jrmy> ok
[12:56] <jrmy> yep getting weak
[12:56] <jrmy> havent aten in 12+ hours
[12:56] <jrmy> ate*
[12:56] <bazhang> see you later
[13:02] <strep> hello! anybody knows why i can't open a terminal on the desktop? i'm using lucid lynx Xubuntu? when i try it says i have no permission
[13:04] <strep> actually it says : Le changement de répertoire « /home/jean/Bureau » a échoué (Permission non accordée).
[13:04] <strep> if anyone got a clue, thank you =)
[13:05] <jrmy> awesome
[13:05] <jrmy> french
[13:05] <jrmy> :]
[13:05] <Sysi> strep: what you're actually doing?
[13:06] <strep> Sysi nothing in particular, i just wanted to install commercial repository
[13:07] <strep> to then install skype
[13:07] <strep> i found another way to install fine, works fine, but no way to open the terminal anymore with right click on desktop
[13:09] <jrmy> ok, time to try xubuntu
[13:09] <jrmy> brb
[13:10] <jrmy> whats the command to log out?
[13:12] <jrmy> does xubuntu use gnome-terminal?
[13:13] <Sysi> xfce4-terminal
[13:13] <jrmy> whats that one like?
[13:13] <knome> very much like the gnome-terminal.
[13:14] <Sysi> better :P
[13:16] <jrmy> as long as i can customize it like how you can with the gnome terminal then i'll like it
[13:16] <Sysi> can you customize gnome terminal?
[13:16] <jrmy> yep
[13:16] <jrmy> as in make profiles for it
[13:16] <strep> have a nice day ;]
[13:17] <knome> there's no *profiles* for xfce4-terminal, but you can adjust the colors
[13:17] <jrmy> i liek how you can make the background transparent so you can see your desktop background
[13:18] <jrmy> how about changing the font and cursor type?
[13:18] <Sysi> easy
[13:18] <jrmy> good
[13:19] <jrmy> now only if i can log out of ubuntu so i can login with xubuntu
[13:19] <Sysi> do you know, you can make all this "customizing" even on very basic xterm, exept maybe opacity
[13:31] <jrmy> back
[13:31] <jrmy> ok so with ubuntu installed as well does it cause xubuntu to run slower?
[13:32] <bazhang> no
[13:32] <jrmy> ok so i can have both
[13:33] <jrmy> i might delete the ubuntu files
[13:33] <jrmy> but idk if that matters
[13:33] <bazhang> not really, but easily accomplished
[13:34] <jrmy> i do liek xubuntu alot
[13:34] <jrmy> from little of what ive seen
[13:34] <jrmy> :D
[13:43] <jrmy> bazhang: you there anymore?
[13:44] <bazhang> jrmy, sorry, yes
[13:45] <jrmy> is there channels that are specific states for xubuntu liek ubuntu?
[13:45] <bazhang> oh loco channels?
[13:45] <bazhang> probably all are okay in those, afaik
[13:46] <bazhang> lots fewer users, so less need to segregate by DE
[13:46] <bazhang> !loco
[13:47] <bazhang> there's a link on that page to the full list
[13:50] <jrmy> so is xubuntu sorta like its own thing or is it of more of a connection with ubuntu liek as far as community and development?
[13:51] <bazhang> part of the whole community
[13:51] <bazhang> its the same stuff underneath, after all
[13:52] <bazhang> same repos, etc
[13:52] <jrmy> ok
[13:52] <jrmy> so basically #ubuntu-us-mi is the place to go for me
[13:53] <bazhang> should do, though here is fine as well :)
[13:54] <jrmy> ok
[13:55] <jrmy> really depends if any of the users in my state use xubuntu
[13:55] <jrmy> though i wouldnt think there is to many differences
[14:31] <jrmy> now i just need to get a new power adapter and maybe a new battery
[14:32] <jrmy> i dont know why my friend bought a power adapter that was less then needed on both voltage and current
[14:32]  * jrmy shakes his head
[18:56] <jrmy> how do i put the terminal on the top panel?
[18:56] <Sysi> launcher?
[18:56] <jrmy> you cant drag from the menu i have no idea
[18:56] <jrmy> yeah a launcher that opens the terminal
[18:56] <Sysi> right click → add launcher
[18:56] <jrmy> ok then what?
[18:57] <Sysi> command is xfce4-terminal
[18:57] <jrmy> ok
[20:57] <sdwinder> hi, anyone here have any experience with clonezilla?
[20:58] <sdwinder> anybody there?
[23:10] <Mahmoud> where can I find menu.xml for xfce menu?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu? I don't think the latest version uses it


[11:23]  * Armageddon slaps dabukalam
[11:34]  * dabukalam ducks and punches Armageddon in the chest
[11:34] <Armageddon> rou2 superman
[11:34] <Armageddon> :p
[11:34] <Armageddon> dighre fatle fiya WoW
[11:34] <Armageddon> w osas w kaza
[11:34] <Armageddon> lol
[11:34]  * dabukalam tears open his shirt revealing an awesome costume and flies away
[11:34] <Armageddon> bif2a3ak box bla7fak 3alam Manchester huh
[11:34] <Armageddon> :p
[11:35] <Armageddon> I feel ran over by a six wheeler
[11:35] <Armageddon> make that a twelve wheeler
[11:35] <Armageddon> da7zine wheelrat
[11:35] <dabukalam> It's amazing what you can do when you open your mind
[11:35]  * dabukalam sees everything in matrix code
[11:35] <Armageddon> dabukalam, try doing that with sleep deprivation
[11:36] <dabukalam> I never get sleep deprivation.
[11:36] <Armageddon> btisif2ak shi 0 min el sfoura btiliz2ak bi shi 1
[11:36] <dabukalam> Because I know I'm always asleep.
[11:36] <Armageddon> :p
[11:37]  * dabukalam returns to his C
[11:37] <dabukalam> have a deadline, can't banter too much ;)
[14:08] <dabukalam> you know you're arab when you keep accidentally typing 'git bransh'
[14:10] <youssefchaker> dabukalam: you're the only one who does that
[14:10] <dabukalam> haha :P
[14:28] <Armageddon> probably cause you claim you are arab
[14:34] <youssefchaker> Armageddon: yeah, he's trying to pretend to be arab with his english background
[14:34] <youssefchaker> dabukalam: real arabs don't pretend
[14:34] <Armageddon> I said claim
[14:34] <Armageddon> not pretend
[14:39] <youssefchaker> luk mashina inta el teneh!
[14:39] <youssefchaker> el 3ama, min wa2ta ma ri7it 3al US ma ba2a byin7aka ma3ka!
[14:39] <youssefchaker> *ma3ak
[14:40] <Armageddon> :/
[14:42] <dabukalam> airy feekon kilkon
[14:45] <Armageddon> 3eb


[00:03] <coz_> hey guys... I had posted a bug  about  dual monitor with nvidia and how the upper panel turns white when enabling twinview...I found that if I run  gnome-em --replace   the panel goes back to normal
[00:04] <coz_> rather    gnome-wm --replace
[05:59] <coz_> good day all
[06:47] <didrocks> good morning
[06:47] <coz_> hey guy
[06:48] <didrocks> hello coz_
[08:33] <MacSlow> hey everybody
[08:38] <klattimer1> morning MacSlow
[08:38] <MacSlow> hey klattimer1
[08:39] <klattimer1> hows it going dude
[08:39] <MacSlow> klattimer, winter is upon us with full force here... yuck :)
[08:40] <klattimer> yeah looking at my temp applet, its -10 here :(
[08:56] <didrocks> hey MacSlow, klattimer :)
[08:56] <klattimer> morning didrocks
[08:56] <MacSlow> salut didrocks
[08:57] <klattimer> hows the weather where you are?
[08:57] <MacSlow> klattimer, I bet the whole of Europe is within the grip of the winter by now
[08:57] <klattimer> MacSlow: it's looking that way
[08:58] <klattimer> we've had solid snow/hail and freezing weather for almost 2 weeks now
[08:59] <didrocks> lot of snow there
[09:00] <didrocks> but beautiful and sunny day on sunday
[09:00] <didrocks> unfortunatly, I had to do some work inside… so no ski :/
[09:00] <didrocks> (no cloud at all on sunday, seemed to be the perfect weather :))
[09:34] <hyperair> does indicator-sound have a blacklist like indicator-messages?
[09:34] <hyperair> hmm maybe i'll just apt-get remove rhythmbox and be happy
[13:11] <Devil505> damn libnux dosen't build :/
[13:16] <ronoc> agateau, do you know why the amarok desktop file is not in the same directory as other applications ?
[14:00] <agateau> ronoc: that's the way kde upstream application install themselves (in $PREFIX/share/applications/kde4)
[14:01] <ronoc> agateau, thx
[14:03] <ronoc> hyperair, http://askubuntu.com/questions/12867/how-do-i-remove-players-i-dont-use-from-the-sound-indicator
[14:04] <hyperair> ronoc: interesting, thanks.
[14:12] <lamalex> tedg, are new datetime packages going to show up in natty soon?
[14:13] <lamalex> I'm in London and my panel still shows philly time
[14:13] <tedg> lamalex, Q for kenvandine the master of Ayatana packages :)
[14:13] <lamalex> kenvandine, ^
[14:13] <tedg> lamalex, It won't auto switch, but will have a menu item to switch.
[14:13] <tedg> That way if you show up at a coffee shop that routes all it's traffic to CA it doesn't auto-switch your time ;)
[14:14] <kenvandine> lamalex, soon
[14:14] <kenvandine> waiting for geoclue MIR
[14:14] <lamalex> kenvandine, cool
[14:14] <tedg> lamalex, bzr branch lp:~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/ubuntu ; cd ubuntu ; bzr bd -- -us -uc
[14:15] <lamalex> or we could have a ppa ;)
[14:15] <tedg> lamalex, I think it's in the DX ppa
[14:15] <tedg> lamalex, Have you fixed Hudson yet? ;)
[14:17] <tedg> kenvandine, Have you looked at the dbusmenu GDBus port packaging?
[14:17] <kenvandine> not yet
[14:17] <kenvandine> did you propose branches for those?
[14:17]  * kenvandine hasn't looked at mail yet
[14:17] <tedg> kenvandine, The review is going to take a couple days, but I'd like to "beat the pipeline" to getting it packaged after the reviews come in.
[14:17] <tedg> kenvandine, No, the code merge isn't reviewed yet.
[14:18] <tedg> kenvandine, It sadly turned into a 9000 line diff.  So I can't expect quick turn around :)
[14:21]  * lamalex shuts up
[14:23] <tedg> Sweet, two cool merge proposals for notify-osd today.
[14:23] <tedg> MacSlow, Did you see those?
[14:24] <tedg> MacSlow, It'd be nice to encourage new contributors with quick reviews.
[14:24] <MacSlow> tedg, yes... already replied... will work/test them this weekend.
[14:25] <MacSlow> tedg, like the pixman-related fix best :)
[14:27] <tedg> MacSlow, Ah, hmm.  I haven't gotten your replies... did you just send them?
[14:27] <tedg> MacSlow, I thought we'd get all mails on merge requests.
[14:28] <MacSlow> tedg, oh... no didn't merge them yet... just commented on the bug-entries... I don't want to context-switch during the week while I've still unity-task on my plate.
[14:29] <tedg> MacSlow, Ah, okay.  I was thinking you commented on the merge requests.  Cool.
[14:29] <MacSlow> tedg, on Monday they'll be reviewed and tested
[14:44] <mterry> Is there a design spec for how unity should eventually behave?
[14:50] <mterry> dbarth, is there a design spec for unity on the wiki somewhere?
[14:51] <njpatel> mterry, not quite
[14:52] <njpatel> mterry, the spec is on google, but is probably somewhat out of date
[14:52] <njpatel> mterry, the places spec is being updated
[14:53] <mterry> njpatel, would be useful to answer questions of whether changes from old unity to new unity are intentional
[14:53] <mterry> i.e. bug-worthy or not
[14:53] <njpatel> mterry, agreed, johnlea can help there
[14:54] <mterry> njpatel, you mean on specific questions?  He's a living spec?  ;)
[14:55] <tedg> mterry, Yes, it's what he has to put up with until he doesn't get it on the Wiki ;)
[14:56] <tedg> Uhm, "until he get's it on"
[15:01] <mterry> johnlea, hello.  In old unity, switching to an application via the launcher would only present unminimized windows.  In new unity, it unminimized and presents all windows.  Is this intentional or a regression?
[15:02] <gabon> mterry: johnlea is home sick so not sure you will get an answer :(
[15:02] <mterry> sigh
[15:02] <mterry> gabon, thanks, OK
[15:03] <mterry> thus the problem with living specs
[15:03] <jcastro> DBO: is the autohide animation a placeholder? It feels jerky over here, like, "low FPSish"
[15:04] <DBO> jcastro, what machine are you on
[15:04] <DBO> jcastro, its not jerky here
[15:04] <jcastro> quad core amd, 64 bit, nvidia
[15:04] <DBO> O_o
[15:05] <jcastro> DBO: not jerky per-se, just not as liquid as I would expect.
[15:05] <DBO> its very linear
[15:05] <DBO> so the start/end are jerky
[15:05] <DBO> and yeah
[15:05] <DBO> its a placeholder
[15:05] <jcastro> ok, so, don't bother you about it, got it. :D
[15:05] <DBO> they want a fade in/out :/
[15:05] <DBO> with a proximity style effect
[15:06] <jcastro> it'll be autohide by default iirc?
[15:07] <DBO> I have no idea what the defaults are
[15:13] <hyperair> mhr3: are you the synapse maintainer?
[15:14] <mhr3> hyperair, yea
[15:14] <hyperair> mhr3: is there a way to search tomboy notes in synapse? it seems that's the one thing i'm missing from synapse
[15:15] <mhr3> hyperair, do you have the tomboy dataprovider?
[15:15] <hyperair> mhr3: hmm i think not
[15:15] <mhr3> i'm not sure if we handle it, but first step would be to have it :)
[15:17] <hyperair> heh okay
[15:17] <hyperair> mhr3: does synapse get everything from zeitgeist alone?
[15:18] <mhr3> not everything, but mostly yea
[15:18] <hyperair> so if i want to start it upon login, but without showing its window, that would be synapse -s hide?
[15:20] <hyperair> oh synapse -s
[15:30] <mpt> Huh, Gnome Shell has a "Dash" now
[15:37] <mhr3> hyperair, there's a checkbox in preferences which will create the autostart entry for you
[15:37] <hyperair> mhr3: ah.
[15:46] <hyperair> mhr3: hmm it doesn't show tomboy notes.
[15:47]  * hyperair goes back to Do
[16:02] <Mark__T> I run into http://pastebin.com/DaUxitu1 when trying to build dbusmenu 0.3.90,any idea how to solve that?
[16:14] <kenvandine> great work guys... A1 with unity compiz works great on my old intel 900 netbook... old unity would never work on this thing :)
[16:14] <sense> vish: I will not be available until Thursday for anything.
[16:14] <kenvandine> hey Mark__T
[16:14] <Mark__T> hey kenvandine
[16:14] <sense> vish: Actually I should have told you earlier, because I wasn't available much last week as well.
[16:14] <kenvandine> Mark__T, ah... you need my patch :)
[16:15] <kenvandine> tedg, did you merge that in trunk yet?
[16:15] <Mark__T> where to get it?
[16:15] <Mark__T> kenvandine: plans for a 0.4.0?
[16:15] <kenvandine> not yet
[16:15] <kenvandine> one sec
[16:16] <kenvandine> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/dbusmenu/natty-gtk3-fixes/+merge/41658
[16:16] <kenvandine> Mark__T, there will be another release when tedg gets the gdbus branch merged
[16:17] <Mark__T> kenvandine: is there a vala bindung for the indicator stuff now?
[16:17] <Mark__T> binding
[16:17] <kenvandine> it creates a vapi yeah
[16:17] <kenvandine> but that isn't new
[16:18] <Mark__T> kenvandine: I think about rewriting my xfce4-indicator-plugin in vala
[16:19] <kenvandine> cool
[16:19] <kenvandine> should be fine
[16:20] <tedg> kenvandine, No, let me do that -- I was just drooling over the Nexus S :)
[16:20] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:21] <ssj6akshat> sense, vish doesn't seem to be here
[16:21] <kenvandine> going to write an app for the android 2.3 ?
[16:21] <tedg> kenvandine, Naw, but I just bought the Captivate and I'm in my "30days no question return" time period...
[16:21] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:22] <kenvandine> return with reason "i want more bling and a better api"
[16:22] <tedg> kenvandine, Unclear whether it supports the AT&T frequencies.
[16:22] <tedg> Sadly it doesn't support an expandable memory card :-
[16:22] <tedg> :-/
[16:24] <Mark__T> kenvandine: your patch doesn't help
[16:26] <Mark__T> kenvandine: do I need all 3?
[16:27] <kenvandine> let me look
[16:27] <Mark__T> oh the diff is all 3
[16:28] <kenvandine> oh... you also need a gtk patch
[16:28] <Mark__T> oh
[16:28] <Mark__T> would that break the abi?
[16:28] <kenvandine> no
[16:28] <Mark__T> ok
[16:28] <kenvandine> let me look at your error again... one sec
[16:29] <Mark__T> not going to do a massive foresight rebbuild
[16:33] <kenvandine> Mark__T, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/065_gir_set_packages.patch
[16:34] <kenvandine> and you probably need a patch for gdk-pixbuf too
[16:34] <Mark__T> argh
[16:34] <kenvandine> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/gdk-pixbuf/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/065_gir_set_packages.patch
[16:34] <kenvandine> yeah... it is all g-ir-scanner related
[16:34] <Mark__T> kenvandine: did they mess their gir stuff or did ubuntu do some special magic?
[16:34] <kenvandine> the newer gi stuff doesn't play well
[16:34] <kenvandine> upstream
[16:35] <Mark__T> ok
[16:35] <Mark__T> just curious
[16:35] <kenvandine> so what this does is makes the gir files generated include "package" name
[16:35] <kenvandine> which matches what pkgconfig has
[16:36] <kenvandine> without that, going from GI to vapi it uses a mix of GI and vapi files
[16:36] <kenvandine> and right now those aren't happy together :)
[16:36] <Mark__T> hope they fix that
[16:38] <kenvandine> i submitted the patches upstream, not sure they will be needed once GI and vala works better together
[16:38] <Mark__T> kenvandine: will take a while until I can provide results
[16:38] <kenvandine> ok, good luck
[16:39] <kenvandine> it was very painful for me to find the cause of those problems... glad to be able to prevent the same pain for others :)
[16:52] <didrocks> jaytaoko: hey dude!
[16:52] <tedg> kenvandine, Merges back in your court ;)  https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/dbusmenu/introspection-0.10-check/+merge/42852
[16:52] <didrocks> jaytaoko: an update on the detection module: all gnome-session part is done and working
[16:52] <tedg> kenvandine, Can you make sure that still works on Natty please?
[16:53] <jaytaoko> didrocks: hello
[16:53] <didrocks> jaytaoko: just take care of the "unity case", compiz not working will still use the current check I think
[16:53] <jaytaoko> didrocks: ok, I wiil
[16:53] <didrocks> thanks :)
[16:55] <kenvandine> tedg, sure
[17:01] <vish> sense: aw.. k.
[17:01] <vish> sense: we'll try to hold the fort till then.. ;)
[17:27] <sense> vish: Great, thanks! :)
[17:27] <lamalex> DBO, can you add x,y coords to launchers?
[17:29] <lamalex> DBO, nm I will
[17:37] <kenvandine> tedg, your dbusmenu branch works on natty
[17:39] <lamalex> DBO, njpatel, https://code.launchpad.net/~alexlauni/unity/launcher-icon-state-pos/+merge/42859
[17:45] <lamalex> anyone know how to get a chroot to maintain changes?
[17:46] <lamalex> I need to install some crap into a chroot and create a dir structure
[17:49] <tedg> kenvandine, Sweet!  Did you merge it into your's or should I just grab that rev?
[17:50] <njpatel> lamalex, on hudson?
[17:50] <lamalex> njpatel, i was helped by someone here
[17:50] <lamalex> I'm good :)
[17:51] <njpatel> okley dokely :) They are just pbuilder chroots
[17:52] <lamalex> apparently to enter them, because they're file chroots, you need to do schroot -c <dist>-source
[17:53] <DBO> lamalex, I am not entirely sure that will work
[17:54] <lamalex> DBO, are you talking about my chroot thing, or my merge proposal
[17:54] <DBO> merge proposal
[17:54] <DBO> it will give you a "stable center"
[17:54] <DBO> so if you drag, it wont update
[17:54] <DBO> the center you are giving is more or less where they minimize windows to
[17:55] <lamalex> DBO, we need the coords to be able to simulate a click on the launcher
[17:56] <DBO> that will work so long as the launcher is not mid animation
[17:56] <DBO> centers only get updated if the center has been stable for 500ms
[17:59] <lamalex> DBO, is there an unstable center?
[17:59] <lamalex> I mean I don't think we'll be clicking icons while dragging, that's kind of impossible
[17:59] <DBO> not that icons know about
[18:00] <DBO> they wont update while an icon is opening either (they move then too)
[18:00] <DBO> 500ms
[18:00] <DBO> its to prevent making a lot of X calls to tell it where to minimize windows
[18:01] <lamalex> I think it should be ok for our uses
[18:25] <jcastro> dbarth__: http://developer.android.com/sdk/api_diff/9/changes.html
[18:25] <jcastro> this would be a good idea in the future when we have APIs on the internet
[18:25] <jcastro> tedg: ^
[18:28] <jcastro> davidbarth: : http://developer.android.com/sdk/api_diff/9/changes.html
[18:29] <jcastro> davidbarth: I was just telling your irc ghost that having a changes thing is a good idea
[18:54] <doctormo> tedg: Hello and good morning.
[18:54] <tedg> doctormo, Howdy!
[18:55] <doctormo> tedg: Your datetime indicator uses autogen/automake, I've never used it before (except as a packager and I assumed it always worked) but now I've added in a c and h file and I can't seem to get them to compile.
[18:58] <tedg> doctormo, You should just need to add them to the list of c/h files in Makefile.am
[18:58] <doctormo> thanks
[19:11] <doctormo> I think I understand this now that I've hacked the volume widget into the datetime indicator.
[19:40] <tedg> doctormo, Cool, now tell me how it could work better!  ;)
[19:41] <doctormo> tedg: The code could be cleaned up a little, things seem split over libido and the indicator code. I can't tell if the indicator is supposed to be gtk or not.
[19:42] <doctormo> *supposed to include
[19:42] <tedg> doctormo, the .so is supposed to be GTK, the service is not.
[19:42] <tedg> doctormo, The idea is that there could be a GTK and a Qt .so for the various implementations, but the service should stick around.
[19:43] <doctormo> Yes, that part makes sense, I guess I don't know enough C to be able to tell how your splitting Qt and Gtk code up.
[19:48] <tedg> doctormo, Well, to date, there is no Qt code :)  It was part of the design that was never realized.  Now it's more of a break up between logic and visualization.
[19:59] <doctormo> tedg: If this were python, you could just happily swap out the gtk and qt code ;-)
[20:01] <doctormo> tedg: In seriousness, I think I'll have to do something like the indicator bridge, so I can set up a dbus interface which isn't inviting the creation of widget menu items.
[20:03] <tedg> doctormo, For the most part the service does that.  It just creates dbusmenu items, that then turn into GTK items on the .so side of things.
[20:03] <tedg> doctormo, If you don't need custom menu items, you should really have any GTK code.
[20:04] <doctormo> In this case I do.
[20:04] <jamal> hi all, so i've been working on bug #683241 and i've pretty much have worked out how to get the trash state but can't figure out how to update the icon in the launcher.
[20:04] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 683241 in unity (Ubuntu) "Recycle bin icon is empty when there are items in the bin" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683241
[20:04] <jamal> Is there currently any way to swap/redraw an icon after it has been rendered?
[20:04] <tedg> DBO, jaytaoko ^
[20:04] <jamal> tedg: thanks :)
[20:04] <tedg> doctormo, Ah, well then you'll need some GTK code :)
[20:05] <DBO> jamal, no
[20:05] <DBO> jamal, wait as a coder?
[20:05] <jamal> DBO: what do you mean? if i'm coding the bug?
[20:05] <jamal> yeah
[20:05] <jamal> I've started on it, I grab the icon state on load now https://code.launchpad.net/~jamalta/unity/683241-recyclebin-icon
[20:05] <DBO> lemme look at what you've done :)
[20:05] <DBO> maybe I can give you some help :)
[20:06] <jamal> I still have to put a monitor in place to check the state changing after the constructor runs :)
[20:06] <jamal> But I wanted to get the state on startup working before I bothered working on the monitor
[20:06] <jamal> And I've been stuck figuring out how to draw the user-trash-full icon
[20:06] <jamal> :)
[20:06] <DBO> we need to work on your indenting :P
[20:06] <jamal> DBO: Haha sorry
[20:07] <jamal> I can't figure out the standard.. some files have two spaces, others have four
[20:07] <DBO> okay you are calling SetIconName
[20:07] <DBO> thats fine
[20:07] <jamal> I just gave up and started ignoring it ><
[20:07] <DBO> we are standardizing on 2
[20:07] <jamal> ok!
[20:07] <DBO> all new code must be 2
[20:07] <jamal> I will fix that before I try to push an MP :)
[20:07] <DBO> :)
[20:07] <doctormo> tedg: You saw the speculation design? http://doctormo.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/progress-indicator.png
[20:08] <DBO> alright let me make the change into trunk you need so that SetIconName actually changes the damned icon :)
[20:08] <jamal> DBO: YAY!
[20:08] <jamal> I noticed nothing listens for the icon name changing
[20:08] <jamal> But I don't understand all of this enough to work on that just yet
[20:09] <jamal> DBO: now that i have your attention, though… are you ok with me using GFileMonitor to update the state of the trash icon?
[20:09] <tedg> doctormo, Cool.  You might want to use libindicate for publishing the data from the applications.  It's nice in that if the application crashes the items just go away on the server side of things :)
[20:10] <DBO> jamal, isn't there some generic GIO thingie for watching the trash?
[20:10] <doctormo> Sounds like the best advice.
[20:10] <jamal> DBO: not sure, not that I recall
[20:10] <DBO> jamal, I am for now at least
[20:11] <DBO> its better than nothing
[20:11] <jamal> DBO: ok, i will check to make sure that gio doesn't have trash specific stuff
[20:11] <jamal> if i recall correctly, nautilus uses gfilemonitor to keep up with trash as well
[20:11] <jamal> but i can double check later tonight
[20:12] <DBO> jamal, merge trunk and your code should work
[20:12] <jamal> DBO: Already done?! Wow… awesome!
[20:12] <jamal> It would've taken me hours if I had tried >.>
[20:12] <DBO> it was a small change
[20:13] <jamal> I'll try it tonight.. I'm at work so can't really work on it now. No one is around when I have free time so I figured I'd ask during the daytime :)
[20:13] <jamal> Thanks so much! I'll see if I can get the bug finished tonight
[20:13] <DBO> fair enough :)
[20:13] <DBO> awesome
[20:13] <DBO> feel free to add me directly to your MP
[20:13] <DBO> my launchpad ID is jassmith
[20:13] <jamal> ok! will do
[20:14] <jamal> oh you're jassmith? cool :)
[20:14] <DBO> :)
[20:14] <DBO> jamal, you are aware of the copyright assignment requirements right?
[20:15] <jamal> DBO: yes
[20:15] <jamal> i'm pretty sure i've signed the … i forget what it's called
[20:15] <jamal> i had to for launchpad at least
[20:15] <DBO> if not we'll make sure we do the audit and ensure everything is in order
[20:16] <jamal> anything different than what the launchpad team does?
[20:17] <DBO> jamal, I dont think so, you download the agreement, attach to an email, write in there that you accept, and mail it off to canonical
[20:17] <jamal> DBO: ah yes i've done all that
[20:17] <DBO> awesome
[20:18] <jamal> but we can go through it to make sure everything is in order whenever you want
[20:33] <doctormo> tedg: So should I be looking at the code in ido to make my own menu item (gtk) stuff and does it matter if it's in the same codebase as my indicator?
[20:35] <tedg> doctormo, There's no requirement that it's in the same codebase, or in IDO, that's a personal choice.  I'd probably just throw it in the indicator to make development easier and look a libs later.
[20:35] <tedg> doctormo, But IDO does have good examples of how to make the menuitems.
[20:36] <doctormo> Yep, I feel like I've just decided to clime mt everest as my first C clime, sure it'll be easy with enough python experence.
[20:38] <tedg> doctormo, Just recite "types matter" 50 times every evening before bed.  It'll work out. :)
[20:39] <tedg> Now that I have doctormo writing C, kenvandine you're next!  ;)
[20:39] <tedg> MWHAHAHAHA!
[20:39] <kenvandine> never!
[20:40]  * doctormo mutters that types matter in python, if anyone bothered to write it properly.
[20:43] <kenvandine> tedg, i *think* i have fixed the current indicator-application FTBFS... well... i have fixed it, but i am not sure which change fixed it :)
[20:43] <tedg> kenvandine, Heh, nice.
[20:43] <kenvandine> soooo fragile
[22:11] <jono> hi folks
[22:11] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/get-started-hacking-on-unity-bitesize-bugs/
[22:12] <DBO> jono, awesome stuff
[22:12] <jono> thanks DBO
[22:12] <jono> gonna make this thing rock :-)
[22:13] <jono> retweets would be awesome!
[22:13] <jamal> DBO: btw, should i assign that bug to myself so anyone else knows i'm working on it?
[22:13] <DBO> jamal, yes
[22:13] <DBO> in my mind its your bug now :)
[22:13] <DBO> I'll be happy to offer any mentoring you do or do not need
[22:14] <jamal> DBO: awesome, thanks so much!
[22:14] <jamal> i appreciate it
[22:14] <DBO> jamal, how long you been coding for?
[22:14] <jamal> DBO: hm.. good question
[22:14] <jamal> 6 years?
[22:14] <DBO> so you're pretty proficient then :)
[22:14] <jamal> i primarily do web development, and that doesn't include C++
[22:15] <spikeb> fedora is investigating packaging unity. quite interesting.
[22:15] <jamal> so my c++ knowledge is a bit weak
[22:15] <jamal> DBO: in some areas i am :)
[22:15] <jamal> The reason I'm working on Unity is to get more experience working with C++, Linux, and OpenGL
[22:15] <DBO> jamal, if you want a more creative bug, I can give you one whenever you want :)
[22:15] <jamal> I've been learning a ton with what you all have done
[22:15] <DBO> something you can do a little more teeth cutting with
[22:16] <jamal> DBO: Yeah,.. I tried the full screen thing, and decided to step back to something a bit easier
[22:16] <jamal> hehe
[22:16] <DBO> :)
[22:16] <jamal> I don't know how window managers work too well just yet, so I didn't really understand what was going on with the stacking..
[22:16] <jamal> I want to play some more with it, but I wanted to start understanding Unity first
[22:18] <jamal> DBO: Sure! If you want to throw something my way I can start playing with it after I finish the trash icon bug
[22:18] <DBO> jamal, there is a bug about the launcher autohide while a quicklist is visible
[22:18] <DBO> I will get to it eventually but if you want to try it out I am happy to let you know what my plan was
[22:19] <jamal> DBO: Sure, can I get the bug # so I can read it over first?
[22:19] <DBO> yep
[22:19]  * DBO looking
[22:20] <DBO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/683261
[22:21] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 683261 in Unity "panel autohide when on Quicklist" [High,Triaged]
[22:21] <DBO> jamal, I will add a "action plan" to the bug
[22:21] <DBO> if you want, you can take a crack at it, if not, no big deal :)
[22:21] <jamal> DBO: Sounds like a fun bug :)
[22:21] <jamal> yeah, that would be great
[22:26] <DBO> jamal, done :)
[22:27] <jono> jamal, thanks for helping!
[23:56] <jamal> DBO: your changes worked great.. thanks!
[23:56] <DBO> jamal, great to hear
[23:56] <jamal> i just got a chance to test it
[23:56] <DBO> I just pushed up intellihide to a branch
[23:56] <DBO> so be looking out for that to land tomorrow :)
[23:56] <jamal> DBO: ah, sure
[23:57] <jamal> i'll try to test the quicklist hiding with the intellhide branch as well then
[23:57] <DBO> yeah come to think of it I would base off that branch
[23:57] <DBO> it changes how hiding is done a little bit
[23:57] <DBO> but even if you get the QuicklistManager implemented as I mentioned in the bug report
[23:58] <DBO> this alone would be a lot of help
[23:59] <jamal> ok! i'll definitely look into your branch before i start on it then


[20:03] <teward> is there a version string designation for a no-changes rebuild in -proposed?
[20:57] <infinity> teward: Same as anywhere else?
[20:57] <infinity> teward: dch -R should get it right.
[20:58] <infinity> (unless the same version is in multiple releases and you want one SRU per, then twiddle a bit with -1build0.0.1, -1build0.1, -1build1 or using distro release versions, or whatever)


[04:08] <GTRsdk> hi
[17:15] <dtigue> i would like a cloak please
[17:15] <dtigue> https://launchpad.net/~dtigue
[17:16] <pangolin> ircc awake
[17:16] <pangolin> !membership | dtigue
[17:17] <pangolin> ircc cancel that
[17:18] <dtigue> hmm, so how does one go about getting that recognition ?
[17:18] <pangolin> dtigue: you can get an unaffiliated cloak in #freenode for an @ubuntu/member cloak you need to read the info on the link ubottu gave you
[17:20] <jussi> dtigue: do lots of cool stuff
[17:20]  * jussi smacks pangolin for not checking first
[17:21] <pangolin> jussi: apologies, I assume most people know that they need to become a member before asking for a member cloak.
[17:21] <jussi> pangolin: its about 50/50 ;)
[17:22] <pangolin> dtigue: basically it is like at a gym, pay your dues and then we expect you to work harder :)
[17:23] <jussi> pangolin: thats a pretty good example :P
[17:23] <pangolin> thanks.
[17:26] <dtigue> haha, i've been using linux since 1996, i moved to ubuntu just because i felt i should learn what the rest of the world is gonna be using so i could support it, i hold linux certs and for a living i am a sys. admin for linux servers, according to the membership guidelines of how to "apply" you have to jump through a bunch of hoops that may still end up with you being denied membership
[17:27] <dtigue> i dont know that i have the time to go to meetings and the like just to be 'considered' a member
[17:28] <dtigue> i though having a launchpad account made you a member
[17:28] <k1l> dtigue: ubuntu membership means that you need to contribute to the community. no matter if you are a "linux pro" and patching stuff or you help in your loco team in reallife. there a million of ways you can contirbute
[17:30] <dtigue> exactly, and i have been contributing to the community of ubuntu and linux as a whole before ubuntu was even around, but how does one prove that he has helped out through irc or through going out in to the wild on his off days and handing out free ubutnu disks?
[17:31] <dtigue> or holding local lug meetings and shoving ubuntu on all the people that show up who are still running slack, by telling them ubuntu is the way of the future
[17:32] <k1l> dtigue: then talk to your loco group.
[17:32] <dtigue> my loco group are about dead
[17:32] <k1l> dtigue: then revive it.
[17:32] <jussi> dtigue: do you have ubuntu members that can cheer for you at a membership meeting?
[17:32] <dtigue> i tried getting things going with them at one point a few years back and they didn't want to hear it
[17:33] <dtigue> they may have revived it by now, but once i was given the cold shoulder there i was pretty much done trying with em
[17:34] <Pici> Ubuntu Membership is about recoginising the folks who have been contributing to this project.  I've seen a number people be denied because they were directing their efforts at Debian, or one piece of upstream software.
[17:34] <k1l> dtigue: for the status ubuntumember you need to contribute to the ubuntu community.
[17:34] <pangolin> if you are helping Ubuntu just so you can get membership, you are doing it wrong.
[17:34] <Pici> Its not about just linux related things.
[17:35] <dtigue> and i have contrbuted to the ubuntu community, you would know that if you read my earlier messages
[17:36] <dtigue> but its ok, i will move on, i dont have to be cloaked under the flag of "ubuntu-elitism"
[17:36] <Pici> I think you're getting the wrong message about this.
[17:36] <pangolin> dtigue: seems to me that you are the one being eletist
[17:36] <k1l> dtigue: we are not about to judge the effort. i just want to let you know, that you need some testimonials or some way the membership board can see your efforts.
[17:37] <Pici> Everyone goes through this same process.
[17:37] <dtigue> pangolin: how is telling you guys of my experience elitist?
[17:38] <pangolin> dtigue: it isn't your assumption that you /should/ get membership because of experience is though
[17:38] <pangolin> s/it isn't/it isn't,/
[17:39] <pangolin> it's about an attitude, the current members didn't help Ubuntu just so they could be members. They did it because they wanted to even if they never got membership.
[17:39] <dtigue> no not at all....i wasnt trying to get the membership from my experience, i was just telling you guys of my experience, i thought i would qualify because of my contributions, but like i said how can one prove that i have done the things i have done
[17:40] <dtigue> i didn't do any of the things i have done to be a member, hell i didn;t even know there was a 'membership' until recently
[17:40] <pangolin> dtigue: the membership boards use a few different factors to /prove/ for one your word is assumed to be good, testimonials from current members and users...
[17:41] <k1l> dtigue: like i said. get testimonials from other users or get the ubuntu users you helped with come to your membership metting, when you apply, and let them cheer up for you.
[17:42] <pangolin> dtigue: well, create a wiki page like it says in the link from the bot and add yourself to a meeting you can attend. they don't last more then an hour usually.
[17:42] <pangolin> also, if you can't attend a meeting for your reginal board you can attend a different board meeting if the time is better for you.
[17:43] <dtigue> i dont really have time for that right now, but maybe i can try to get around to it later, i have my hands in alot of projects at the moment
[17:44] <pangolin> dtigue: that is fine. sorry I called you eletist it wasn't very Ubuntu of me :/
[17:48] <dtigue> no problem
[17:49] <dtigue> i guess maybe i need to make myself be known a little bit more in the help channels
[17:49] <dtigue> its just hard finding the time for that
[17:51] <dtigue> but i will do it if you guys think it will help
[17:52] <k1l> dtigue: contribution is not only about the support channels. translations, forums support, loco work, patching stuff, etc. find your way you can contribute to the community. that is about becoming a member.
[17:53] <k1l> what i mean is: one way is not better than the other :)
[17:54] <jussi> dtigue: I guess the advice I would give to you is to go and make what you are doing visible to people who can cheer for you.
[17:55] <jussi> (and then of course, go do more cool stuff)
[17:55] <dtigue> i cant translate anything, forums is something i definetly need to spend more time in, as far as the loco if it is still the same as it was last time then it needs a revolt to fix it
[17:56] <jussi> dtigue: where are you located (curiousity only, feel free to not reveal)
[17:56] <dtigue> there isn't many linux users or ubuntu users in Alabama, the company i work is one of the few that uses it on the desktops and servers
[17:56] <dtigue> alabama
[17:56] <jussi> ok
[17:57] <pangolin> there are also Ubuntu Hours
[17:57] <pangolin> !hour
[17:57] <pangolin> hmm
[17:57] <jussi> dtigue: yeah, looks like the group hasnt updated their wiki in ages (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlabamaTeam)
[17:57] <pangolin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[17:57] <dtigue> as far as patching, im in the very early stages of learning python
[17:58] <dtigue> so how can we get someone else in charge of the AlabamaTeam
[17:58] <pangolin> those are a neat and informal way of getting people involved and doing advocacy
[17:58] <dtigue> looking at the hours wiki now
[17:58] <jussi> dtigue: Id recommend you dont try do _everything_ - choose something and do it well
[17:58] <pangolin> it's about quality more than quantity
[17:59] <dtigue> jussi, here in alabama, i have to do everything or nothing will get doen here :)
[17:59] <dtigue> doen/done
[17:59] <dtigue> as you can see with the alabamateam, people aren't motivated to get things done here
[18:00] <dtigue> we are a little slow :) j/k
[18:00] <pangolin> They just need someone to jump in and start maybe
[18:00] <pangolin> the ubuntu hours is a good way to start
[18:01] <jussi> eah +1 to the ubuntu houres
[18:01] <dtigue> the ubuntu hours i had never heard of, but i have done things like that hundreds of times
[18:01] <dtigue> well its good talking to you folks, and i will act upon your suggestions, but it is time for lunch
[18:02] <jussi> laters dtigue
[18:02] <pangolin> later dtigue see you around ubuntuland :)


[19:37] <smoser> harmw, where would you get a freebsd cloud image ?
[19:50] <harmw> I'd build one myself
[19:50] <harmw> though they do offer vm images
[19:50] <smoser> link ?
[19:50] <smoser> all i see is http://images.openstack.nctu.edu.tw/bsd-cloudinit/
[19:51] <harmw> nono
[19:51] <harmw> thats some other project
[19:51] <harmw> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/VM-IMAGES/
[19:51] <harmw> but those lack cloud, eg. no cloud-init
[19:51] <smoser> do they boot ?
[19:51] <harmw> in a vm, yes
[19:52] <smoser> are they usable ?
[19:52] <smoser> can i ssh in ?
[19:52] <harmw> idk :)
[19:52] <harmw> i've only build my own, using oz
[19:52] <harmw> and installed ci later on
[19:53] <smoser> k. thanks.
[19:55] <smoser> harmw, your mission is to get cloud-init installed in one of those off the shelf images.
[19:55] <smoser> and submit to http://thornelabs.net/2014/06/01/where-to-find-openstack-cloud-images.html on how you did it :)
[19:55] <smoser> harmw, i was just trying to get a freebsd image.
[19:55] <smoser> to add to http://smoser.brickies.net/image-streams/
[19:56] <smoser> that is 'streams' format of data. and you can then sync it into your openstack cloud using http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/simplestreams/example-sync/files
[19:58] <harmw> yea, been wanting to do get ci in an official image
[19:58] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10902086/
[19:58] <harmw> and I'm watching the Hobbit, so quest seems more appropriate
[19:58] <smoser> thats the script that we have syncing smoser-images into our cloud.
[20:03] <smoser> harmw, well, for cloud-init 2, we're going to want c-i testing cluod-init trunk on freebsd.
[20:04] <smoser> so some automated mechanism for doing that wooill be needed.
[20:04] <harmw> ah yes, you sent an e-mail regarding 2.0
[20:04] <harmw> damn
[20:05] <harmw> forgot all about that
[20:06] <harmw> but yes, getting fbsd on par some more is on the short list
[20:06] <harmw> (but that list is already filled beyond everyting :P)
[21:11] <nvucinic> q