[00:00]  * RobbyF is getting for changelogs this week.
[00:00] <RobbyF> the daily images improve so much.
[00:01] <Tigrouzen> RobbyF, realy !!?!!
[00:01] <RobbyF> I meant to put excited.
[00:01] <RobbyF> I was to excited and missed that word.
[00:01] <RobbyF> I think tuesday someone was saying!
[00:02] <Tigrouzen> what improve
[00:03] <RobbyF> overall smoothness. Search bar, movie player
[00:03] <RobbyF> that's what I 'think' I've noticed.
[00:03] <Tigrouzen> Tablet ?
[00:03] <RobbyF> galaxy nexus
[00:03] <Tigrouzen> ah nice
[00:06] <RobbyF> I think new features too
[00:08] <RobbyF> I'm not a dev or anything, just very enthused user with 3 years of desktop experience and I work on the mobile market.
[00:12] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[00:12] <Tigrouzen> 30years
[00:26] <omac> Are there any lunch/brunch experts here?
[00:27] <Tigrouzen> eat ?
[00:27] <omac> http://pastebin.com/RuedkE0L
[00:27] <Tigrouzen> ^^
[00:28] <Tigrouzen> u try full_shutlle
[00:28] <omac> yes.
[00:28] <omac> ditto for the bug.
[00:29] <Tigrouzen> what is your phone ?
[00:29] <omac> the sources for the Advent Vega(aka Nvidia Shuttle P10AN01) are on github.  (kernel and device)
[00:29] <omac> FYI  http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/69585-vegabean-android-jellybean-advent-vega-aka-p10an01-aka-nvidia-shuttle-aka-viewsonic-viewpad-10s/#entry377074
[00:29] <Tigrouzen> geme a device common link
[00:30] <omac> I'm using scanno's github repos.
[00:30] <omac> He has a manifest file that I used to repo init and sync from.
[00:30] <Tigrouzen> ok geme manifest link
[00:31] <omac> It's in the FYI page.
[00:31] <Tigrouzen> or past your device.mk
[00:31] <omac> search manifest
[00:31] <omac> device.mk hang on
[00:33] <Tigrouzen> omac,
[00:33] <Tigrouzen> brunch shuttle
[00:33] <omac> http://pastebin.com/XPv2GPb7
[00:34] <omac> ditto for the error with brunch shuttle
[00:34] <omac> ~/android/system/device/nvidia/shuttle/device.mk
[00:34] <omac> I just gave the device.mk to you.
[00:35] <Tigrouzen> brunch shuttle make error ?
[00:35] <omac> I'll reopen a shell , envsetup and brunch shuttle. hangon.
[00:36] <Tigrouzen> wait
[00:37] <omac> http://pastebin.com/dKf5J8Xq
[00:37] <omac> multiple board config error for shuttle
[00:38] <omac> tried breakfast and got the same multiple board config error.
[00:40] <omac> here is the breakfast shuttle error: http://pastebin.com/Y1sfqcK2
[00:41] <Tigrouzen> are shuttle ported for ubuntu arm ?
[00:41] <Tigrouzen> nvidia shuttle its an arm ?
[00:41] <omac> yes
[00:42] <omac> tegra250 running vegabean
[00:42] <Tigrouzen> k
[00:42] <omac> it has an ubuntu kernel, but it's still jellybean 4.1 based
[00:42] <Tigrouzen> ah
[00:42] <Tigrouzen> omac, but no sense because i use jb 4.1 to compile
[00:42] <omac> uname -a Linux localhost 3.1.10-VegaCream #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Sep 30 16:41:36 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
[00:43] <Tigrouzen> you compile it on vega or ubuntu 64bit pc ?
[00:44] <omac> the kernel is called vegacream, but it's ubuntu.  About tablet says android 4.1.x something.
[00:44] <Tigrouzen> omac, is there cm10 for vegacream .?
[00:44] <omac> I can't compile it myself yet.  Scanno did.
[00:44] <omac> It's 32-bit.
[00:44] <omac> yes, I gave you the link FYI above.
[00:45] <omac> It has all the git hub links including the manifest file scanno created.
[00:45] <omac> I just wasn't able to repeat his build successfully yet.
[00:46] <omac> AGAIN vegacream kernel(not rom) is hosted on github by scanno.
[00:46] <omac> It's not on cyanogen's git repository.
[00:49] <omac> That's why I'm asking the experts here and on cyanogenmod.  My ultimate goal is to get ubuntu-touch on the Advent Vega(aka Nvidia Shuttle P10AN01).
[00:49] <Tigrouzen> but i dont see any patch for ubuntu on scanno git
[00:50] <omac> that's right.  I have to patch it.
[00:50] <don> for ascend p1?
[00:50] <omac> But the patch should be easier when I get CM10.1 building properly.
[00:50] <don> when?
[00:50] <omac> That's because ubuntu-phone's base ndk stuff is CM10.1 based.
[00:50] <Tigrouzen> yes
[00:51] <Tigrouzen> if you find cm10 git for vega
[00:51] <omac> I am asking for help to build.
[00:51] <Tigrouzen> not easy its mean your error some were on common or device
[00:51] <omac> Tigrouzen: I gave it to you.   http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/69585-vegabean-android-jellybean-advent-vega-aka-p10an01-aka-nvidia-shuttle-aka-viewsonic-viewpad-10s/#entry377074
[00:51] <omac> It's on that page.  search for git.
[00:52] <omac> you will  find scanno stuff.
[00:52] <Guest74970> for huawei ascend p1 when? tank
[00:53] <Guest74970> ò
[00:54] <omac> https://github.com/scanno
[00:54] <Tigrouzen> omac
[00:54] <omac> yes
[00:54] <Tigrouzen> first you need
[00:55] <Tigrouzen> phablet-dev-bootstrap yorufolder
[00:55] <Tigrouzen> after openning manifest.xml on .repo folder and add
[00:55] <omac> wakarimasu
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>  <project path="device/nvidia/shuttle" name="scanno/android_device_nvidia_shuttle" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb" />
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="external/wpa_supplicant_8" name="scanno/android_external_wpa_supplicant_8" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb"/>
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="frameworks/av" name="scanno/android_frameworks_av" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb"/>
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="frameworks/base" name="scanno/android_frameworks_base" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb"/>
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="hardware/atheros_wifi_libs" name="scanno/android_hardware_atheros_wifi_libs" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb" />
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="hardware/libhardware_legacy" name="scanno/android_hardware_libhardware_legacy" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb" />
[00:55] <Tigrouzen>   <project path="system/netd" name="scanno/android_system_netd" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/jb"/>
[00:56] <Tigrouzen> then repo sync
[00:56] <omac> I'll do that right away.
[00:56] <Tigrouzen> hmm
[00:56] <omac> doumo
[00:57] <omac> what's the convention for phablet's top dirname?
[01:01] <omac> phablet-dev-bootstrap vegabuntu
[01:01] <omac> I'll be back tomorrow :)
[01:01] <omac> oyasumi nasai
[01:07] <OrokuSaki> YAY I GOT UBUNTU TOUCH TO WORK ON TOUCHPAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[01:07] <OrokuSaki> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[01:07] <OrokuSaki> THANKS EVERYONE!
[01:07] <OrokuSaki> 2.6.35 was the trick
[01:07] <Tigrouzen> Kernel
[01:12] <OrokuSaki> yep
[01:12] <OrokuSaki> and all other tricks of course
[01:13] <OrokuSaki> now off to get touch working... I don't have adb anymore which is odd
[02:39] <vasa> hello I am trying to install the ubuntu operation system on my arm based netbook, however the installer claims 'Unsupported device, autodetect fails device'
[02:42] <thIsgUy20> i have never used freenode so forgive me if im doing something wrong but imma try and port ubuntu to the evo 3d/v and im using my phone to tether to my laptop. when syncing with the repo and it stops and i put in that code to get it going again does it start over or pick up where it left off?
[02:45] <drmarble> It mostly picks up where it left off. all finished directories are kept and not redownloaded.
[02:49] <thIsgUy20> oh thank God cause i thought i was getting nowhere with syncing the repo every day since im using my phone and internet isnt gonna be as fast
[04:09] <OrokuSaki> Rob: if you get a chance... Missing stuff in fonts with adreno and ubuntu..  no idea why.. don't care at the momeny http://www.onsitedentalsystems.com/ubuntutouchpad.jpg
[04:10] <OrokuSaki> I had to steal android libEGL and libGL from android 4.2.1 from evervolv and overwrite mine.. strange huh?
[04:11] <OrokuSaki> without that the screen would not get an image
[06:00] <eel> hello
[06:15] <rigved> hi everyone.
[06:16] <rigved> phablet-flash is not downloading and installing the latest daily. is this correct?
[06:16] <rigved> it is checking for the image at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/mwc-demo/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf
[06:17] <rigved> however, the latest image is at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[06:21] <rigved> if i want the latest image, i need to do "phablet-flash -l", right?
[06:23] <rigved> these instructions are not mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[06:29] <rigved> i have just edited that page to include the "phablet-flash -l" command.
[07:20] <eel123> From a business perspective which OEM's have shown interest in the ubuntu touch after this week at MWC?
[07:39] <myhrmanz> Hallo, I want to unintall it, but I can't connect the phone by USB
[07:39] <myhrmanz> Nothing happen's. Dosen't show up as connected.
[07:40] <myhrmanz> Hallo, I want to unintall it, but I can't connect the phone by USB
[07:40] <myhrmanz> Nothing happen's. Dosen't show up as connected.
[07:46] <myhrmanz> Anyone?
[07:52] <physique> anyone get past the "not enough space" issue when installing UbuntuTouch?
[07:53] <physique> I've done a factory wipe and everything.
[07:53] <physique> still can't push with cmd phablet-flash
[08:04] <physique> anyone know how much space is required to install UbuntuTouch?
[08:05] <Namidairo> the rootfs is quite big
[08:05] <myhrmanz> like 500mb atleast
[08:05] <physique> right.
[08:05] <myhrmanz> Im trying to uninstall it,
[08:05] <physique> i noticed that
[08:06] <myhrmanz> anyone know how I can connect it to USB or download files on it?
[08:06] <physique> my problem is i've factory reset my device and STILL CANT install UbuntuTouch
[08:06] <physique> You have to have linux and pull the image file from the repository
[08:06] <physique> then you could copy it to a usb drive if you'd like
[08:07] <myhrmanz> So I have to have linux for the computer to detect the USB?
[08:07] <myhrmanz> correct?
[08:08] <Namidairo> the automagical flasher only runs on linux right now
[08:08] <physique> @myhramz you have UbuntuTouch installed already?  (i'm trying to make sure i understand you)
[08:08] <Namidairo> but you can do it manually if you download the right images
[08:08] <physique> i just to get it installed.
[08:08] <physique> can't with this stupid storage error.
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <physique> (on a FACTORY RESET device)
[08:12] <myhrmanz> Yeah I do physique
[08:12] <myhrmanz> how can I connect it by usb to transfer files?
[08:14] <physique> @myhrmanz Oh that I don't know. It may be a bug.
[08:14] <myhrmanz> Okey
[08:14] <myhrmanz> any other way I can flash back android?
[08:14] <physique> the wiki page had a shell script to get back to android
[08:15] <physique> or you can download a boot loader and img file and do fastboot commands manually to get back to stock
[08:15] <physique> from the wiki --->   run ./flash-all.sh
[08:16] <physique> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[08:17] <myhrmanz> Okey ^^ I have no idea how to do that. I installed it by a clockworkmod
[08:18] <myhrmanz> should the "wipe data/factory reset" bring me back to the stockOS?
[08:18] <Namidairo> no
[08:18] <physique> no
[08:18] <Namidairo> no
[08:19] <physique> you will need to find the bootloader for your device, flash it from a terminal in Linux.
[08:19] <physique> then flash an image file from the terminal in Linux.
[08:47] <bl4de> Hi to all!
[08:48] <bl4de> I'm interested into developing for tablet, and I have a Nexus 7.
[08:50] <bl4de> Since I use the tablet for personal purposes, I want to know if and when comes a build that allows me to use the tablet for development AND normal purposes...
[08:54] <aassaass> hey, how can i update
[08:55] <aassaass> i have just installed the os and i like to know if there is an automatic update within the system
[08:55] <aassaass> ?
[08:55] <aassaass> thanks
[08:55] <aassaass> how can i replace the wifi drivers ?
[08:56] <ogra_> the safest update procedure at the moment is to re-flash
[08:57] <ogra_> the phablet-flash tool has an option to flash the latest daily
[08:58] <ogra_> to replace wifi drivers you would have to re-roll the android image that is used for the HW management ... code is at phablet.ubuntu.com
[08:59] <bl4de> ogra_, can you tell me what functions have improved latest builds for Nexus 7?
[09:00] <ogra_> nope, i dont follow 100s of chagelogs :)
[09:01] <ogra_> there willl be a changelog summary soon that will be published along with the images though
[09:01] <ogra_> (see the mailing list, it was announced there)
[09:01] <bl4de> I'm VERY interested into help to developing it, but I don't want to flash into my tablet if is completely unusable :/
[09:03] <ogra_> well, its usable for development, the browser doesnt know tabs yet and the amount of apps is really limited
[09:03] <Namidairo> and what reason would you have for replacing the wifi drivers
[09:03] <Namidairo> bcmdhd works juuuust fine.
[09:04] <ogra_> if you rely on watching movies, litesning to music, playing games and reading books on your tablet, its not for you yet
[09:04] <ogra_> Namidairo, you wish :)
[09:04] <bl4de> ogra_, no, I mean usable also (limitedly) for "normal" uses, since I frequently use my tablet for taking notes, messaging etc. :)
[09:04] <Namidairo> ogra_: well the alternative isn't great
[09:05] <ogra_> right, but if bcmdhd doesnt work its no fun to debugs :)
[09:05] <ogra_> -s
[09:06] <ogra_> bl4de, taking notes works :)
[09:06] <dun1982> Hey, is there any way that I can get some debug-information why my gt-p6800 does not go further from samsung start screen?
[09:06] <bl4de> ogra_, yes yes, and is very very cool1
[09:06] <bl4de> *! :)
[09:06] <ogra_> dun1982, i played with porting the i9100 yesterday and noted that the recovery moode didnt mount /system and /data before flashing
[09:07] <ogra_> might be a general samsung prob, check that
[09:07] <bl4de> but it's true about 2 weeks for a usable rom Shuttleworth said?
[09:07] <ogra_> huh ?
[09:07] <ogra_> he said "weeks away" not "two weeks away"
[09:07] <ogra_> :)
[09:08]  * ogra_ read the interview too
[09:09] <bl4de> ...some web sites there, in Italy, said two weeks...check whether the informations are true, I say! :)
[09:09] <ogra_> its definitely more than two weeks before it gets usable for endusers
[09:10] <ogra_> october is the target ... it will surelys be better than it is today in two weeks .... but nothing i would give to a non developer yet
[09:10] <bl4de> some webmasters and columnist have the bad habit to wrote things without checking it :)
[09:10] <bl4de> *s
[09:11] <ogra_> or to translte them in a weird way :)
[09:11] <ogra_> *translate
[09:12] <bl4de> yes :)
[09:13] <bl4de> oh, by the way, sorry for my non perfect english! :)
[09:13] <bl4de> *not
[09:15] <dun1982> ogra_: how did you notice that it did not mount them?
[09:15] <dun1982> ie. where did you look for it?
[09:15] <ogra_> adb while in recovery mode
[09:15] <dun1982> from the build-image directly?
[09:15] <dun1982> Hm... for some reason I cannot adb while in recovery (tested that on Sat).
[09:16] <dun1982> I'm using CWM 6.0.23 and Mobile Odin, there is no factory recovery anymore in my slate.
[09:16] <ogra_> when i flashed the zip it catually properly flashed the recovery partition so i could boot into recovery (noticed that it had an ubuntu wallpaper there so i knew something had worked) and inspect from there
[09:16] <dun1982> Aah, I did not get even that far.
[09:17] <dun1982> It seems that nothing is loaded from the build image. The device just freezes to "Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7" startup screen and that's it.
[09:18] <ogra_> no black screen after that ?
[09:18] <ogra_> for me it went to a black screen for a moment and then rebooted
[09:18] <dun1982> Nope, not even there.
[09:18] <dun1982> It feels like it does not load anything from the image.
[09:18] <ogra_> but you can get into recovery atm ?
[09:19] <dun1982> I can CWM recovery yes, I can reload any image I want. But I cannot get any logs or anything to know what's happening...
[09:19] <ogra_> hmm, i thought CWM always runs adb...
[09:19] <dun1982> well when I have CWM running and I try adb devices (empty).
[09:20] <dun1982> If I put sideload open, I get something visible, but still I cannot adb shell or adb push at all.
[10:09] <dholbach> rsalveti, do you know who could take a look at https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00638.html?
[10:16] <ogra_> dholbach, i think he looked at it already, it was discussed for a while in the other channel
[10:17] <ogra_> (the plan is to drop swap altogether though)
[10:17] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:25] <Saviq> shouldn't phablet-flash grab an image newer than 95 by default now?
[10:26] <Saviq> ah, -l
[10:29] <ogra_> there is also an option to give a build number afaik ... if you dont want -l (latest)
[10:38] <bl4de> anyone there has got nexus 7 with multirom?
[10:40] <ogra_> see the xda forums, while we neither encourage nor support it, there seem to be multiboot solutions there
[10:46] <bl4de> ok :)
[10:49] <strohhalm> I want to install whosthere from the ppa but i get some Erros... http://ppa.launchpad.net/m-gehre/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[10:49] <strohhalm> W: Fehlschlag beim Holen von http://ppa.launchpad.net/m-gehre/ppa/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[10:50] <ogra_> strohhalm, contact the PPA owner then (m-gehre in that case it seems)
[10:51] <ogra_> strohhalm, though since the phablet images are all quantal, i doubt there will actually be a build (or sources) for precise
[10:51] <ogra_> you can check the package details on the launchpad page for the PPA
[10:51] <strohhalm> https://launchpad.net/~m-gehre/+archive/ppa
[10:51] <strohhalm> I think the ppa is still online :(
[10:51] <strohhalm> I also try'd to compile it but it get some errors too
[10:52] <ogra_> see the "published in" pulldown there :)
[10:52] <ogra_> you are trying to install on precise ...
[10:52] <ogra_> it only has packages for quantal
[10:53] <strohhalm> hmmm okay...
[10:54] <strohhalm> Thank you :)
[10:54] <ogra_> i think he also has a bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~m-gehre if you just want the source
[10:57] <strohhalm> I also try'd to compile it but it get some errors too
[10:59] <ogra_> yu likely need the sdk installled (and all of its dependencies)
[11:27] <vip_> Hello developers, a you install ubuntu phone os at ZTE Grand X processor Nvidia tegra 2 ? sorry for my english, a`m from Russia
[11:29] <ogra_> vip_, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[11:31] <vip_> Is very difficult to port the firmware? and generally on the tegra 2 already has firmware ported to any realties smartphone?
[11:36] <ogra_> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting for the process
[11:36] <ogra_> its mainly just copy paste work and then fixing remaining build errors
[11:38] <vip_> a`m not proggamist
[11:43] <vip_> a`m user , ZTE Grand X fery good smartphone, but firmware fery bad
[11:45] <vip_> android 4.0.3 , official support dont want update this smartphone, for this reason i want firmware for us
[12:07] <omac> bzr was missing somewhere in the ubuntu touch recipe:  http://pastebin.com/3GbqxzYW
[12:07] <omac> i'm installing it.
[12:10] <MrNerd> hey
[12:11] <MrNerd> so i built my ota.zip and i have the phablet .zip but when i flash them i get success but they sit on splash screen?
[12:12] <MrNerd> yoo tiggg!! whats up
[12:13] <omac> MrNerd, you have to be very very patient when you run this stuff the first time.  Go have a coffee for about an hour or so.  CM10.1 and VegaBean are the same when starting them up for the first time.
[12:13] <MrNerd> oh so i have to wait?
[12:13] <MrNerd> wow... i thought i just did it wrong.
[12:14] <omac> My guess is all the sdcard and internal flash memory partitioning/formating/unpacking/installing/package setup.
[12:14] <MrNerd> so i flash the built.zip then iflash the phablet.zip then reboot and wait?
[12:14] <Tigrouzen> on ubuntu wrong link to sdcard on script
[12:15] <Tigrouzen> edit /etc/environnement
[12:15] <Tigrouzen> EXTERNAL_STORAGE=/sdcard
[12:15] <omac> You have to remember these are slower cpu's than on a pc.  The flash memory communication on my advent vega is much slower than a regular desktop so I have to be patient.  The other slow part is the actual flash memory when writing on a used sdcard/internal flash is very very slow.
[12:16] <Tigrouzen> MrNerd, long wait
[12:16] <MrNerd> alright i was just making sure i didnt screw up thanks alot.
[12:16] <omac> Advent Vega isn't usb3, isn't usb2.  It's usb! argh.
[12:17] <MrNerd> tigrouzen was the external storage to me?
[12:17] <Tigrouzen> sdcard
[12:17] <MrNerd> were you talking to me tho?
[12:18] <MrNerd> so how do i make sure i have the latest source?
[12:18] <Tigrouzen> euh
[12:18] <MrNerd> and my boot.img doesnt boot cm10.1
[12:18] <Tigrouzen> repo sync
[12:18] <ogra_> repo sync will keep you up to date
[12:18] <MrNerd> they made a change  and omac said i didnt have latest.
[12:19] <Tigrouzen> but if you change some thing dont forget commit it before then repo sync erase all change
[12:19] <MrNerd> ok
[12:22] <MrNerd> how do i identify with sasl?
[12:22] <MrNerd> i wanna use xchat..
[12:34] <hopkinskong> popey, are u here?
[12:34] <popey> ya
[12:35] <hopkinskong> Did u remember me?
[12:35] <popey> yup
[12:35] <popey> hk dns issue
[12:35] <hopkinskong> OK, i think it should not revalent with the DNS
[12:36] <hopkinskong> IDK what problem is it, but it DOES NOT do with DNS.
[12:37] <hopkinskong> I've gone through the whole python script(phablet-dev-bootstrap), i located the git address, and the brach, then i did this:
[12:37] <hopkinskong> repo init -u git://phablet.ubuntu.com/CyanogenMod/android.git -b phablet-10.1
[12:37] <hopkinskong> It automatically connect to android.git.kernel.org
[12:38] <hopkinskong> But, i tried to do this on WINDOWS, using TortoiseGIT. With same git address AND branch, it success.
[12:38] <hopkinskong> So it should the problem regrading my Ubuntu in my VM?
[12:40] <hopkinskong> OK, not using the same ubuntu, in the same VM(that i have problem on it), i do git clone, it success.
[12:40] <hopkinskong> using the same*
[12:40] <hopkinskong> so just "repo init" caused this problem.
[12:46] <hopkinskong> popey, are u getting the files from "https://gerrit.googlesource.com/git-repo"?
[12:48] <hopkinskong> Ah, oh yes! I've solved the problem!
[12:48] <popey> oh?
[12:49] <hopkinskong> ah ha, bingo!
[12:50] <hopkinskong> I have two "repo" files in my ubuntu, one is newer(with "https://gerrit.googlesource.com/git-repo" as git), another is older(with "android.git.kernel.org").
[12:50] <hopkinskong> It seems that it just load the older one, which gives the wrong address.
[12:50] <hopkinskong> So, let me delete it...
[12:50] <ogra_> and the phablet tree wants the one from gerrit (as i explained yesterday)
[12:53] <hopkinskong> ok, i've rename the repo in /usr/local/bin to repo.old, and make an symbolic link to the new one(which is located in /usr/bin)
[12:55] <hopkinskong> ok, repo initalized.
[12:55] <ogra_> so now phablet-dev-bootstrap does the right thing ?
[12:56] <hopkinskong> YES!
[12:56] <hopkinskong> It receiving objects continously
[12:57] <ogra_> awesome
[12:57] <popey> hopkinskong: can you mark the bug as invalid please
[12:57] <ogra_> glad you made it
[12:58] <hopkinskong> OK done :D
[12:58] <ogra_> done ?
[12:59] <hopkinskong> i meant i have marked it "invalid"
[12:59] <ogra_> you must have a really fast intenet connection if you can get 15G at that speed
[12:59] <ogra_> ah
[12:59] <ogra_> heh
[12:59] <hopkinskong> ah..i have 100Mbps connections only lol
[12:59] <hopkinskong> ah, btw, after finish the bootstrap, what should i do next?
[13:02] <ogra_> follow the porting wikipage
[13:03] <traxmac> anyone using any of the clones for testing
[13:03] <hopkinskong> next step is "Enabling a new device"?
[13:03] <ogra_> yes
[13:06] <hopkinskong> OK, thanks
[13:17] <dholbach> dpm, did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/FAQ? :)
[13:18] <omac> bzr launchpad-login<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:18] <omac> bzr: ERROR: The user name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not registered on Launchpad.
[13:18] <dholbach> omac, use your Launchpad ID, not your email address
[13:18] <omac> I'm registered on launchpad.
[13:18] <smartboyhw> omac, use the launchpad username instead of email
[13:19] <smartboyhw> dholbach, LOL
[13:19] <omac> ok.
[13:19] <dholbach> omac, bzr launchpad-login omac777
[13:19] <dpm> dholbach, nice to see community taking initiative here
[13:19] <dholbach> dpm, yes, it's great - I think I'm going to add it to the header
[13:20] <dholbach> at some stage I think we should drop release notes
[13:20] <dholbach> done
[13:20] <dholbach> lunch time - see you in a bit
[13:21] <omac> bzr launchpad-login omac777 bzr: ERROR: The user name omac777 is not registered on Launchpad.
[13:22] <omac> uticdmarceau2007
[13:22] <omac> ok.
[13:23] <smartboyhw> omac, did it work for you now?
[13:30] <arieru> any plans to release 3G/4G support soon ? someone knows ?
[13:30] <arieru> I am just waiting this feature, to install ubuntu touch in my nexus 4
[13:31] <ogra_> patches accepted :)
[13:35] <omac> yes
[13:37] <omac> I'm repo sync'ing after adding some project paths for the Advent Vega to the .repo/manifest.xml as Tigrouzen suggested.
[13:42] <kince> hi
[13:43] <kince> ubuntu for phone ?
[13:43] <mzanetti> kince: and tablets !
[13:45] <ogra_> and desktops !
[13:45] <ogra_> (and TVs)
[13:49] <lg2x> hello! anyone from the canonical team here? I'd like to request to add a device to the porting WIP list
[13:53] <lg2x> uanyone from the canonical team here?
[13:54] <agb2> lg2x, realistically you probably need to find someone with that device who wants to try porting. What device is it?
[13:54] <agb2> i am not from canonical btw
[13:54] <lg2x> ive already ported it :P
[13:54] <agb2> ah
[13:54] <agb2> sorry, misunderstood!
[13:55] <lg2x> i just want to know how to go about submitting it formally
[14:04] <mrtokii> lol
[14:05] <mrtokii> suck
[14:05] <ogra_> lg2x, you just add it to the wikipage
[14:05] <mrtokii> FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:05] <ogra_> and probably send a mail to the mailinglist alongside so people get more awareness
[14:08] <lg2x> ok
[14:08] <lg2x> thanks
[14:08] <ogra_> lg2x, what device btw :)
[14:11] <omac> after doing the repo sync with the changed manifest, the porting guide asks for me to cd device/nvidia/shuttle $ ./extract-files.sh, but there is no extract files script because the proprietary files are already in device/nvidia/shuttle/proprietary/
[14:12] <ogra_> how did they get there ?
[14:12] <omac> do I need to cp -Rf /device/nvidia/shuttle/proprietary to vendor/nvidia/shuttle/ ?
[14:13] <omac> scanno or ronaldo already did this work.
[14:17] <omac> https://github.com/rondoval/android_device_nvidia_shuttle
[14:17] <acke> damn, I really need to read more release notes. :P
[14:17] <omac> under the proprietary dir there.
[14:18] <omac> I keep on confusing scanno and rondoval, but these are the goto guys for the Advent Vega for sure.
[14:21] <ogra_> smartboyhw, seems you and lg2x work on the same thing
[14:22] <rsalveti> morning
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ogra_, what?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ogra_, give it to him then
[14:23] <ogra_> smartboyhw, i dotn give anything to anyone, you are grown up guys (i assume), handle it yourself ;)
[14:23] <smartboyhw> ogra_, LOL
[14:23] <omac> Ok going back to my question, since I have Vegabean installed already on the AdventVega and I already have the extracted proprietary files in the device/nvidia/shuttle/proprietary
[14:24] <omac> can I simply cp -Rf /device/nvidia/shuttle/proprietary to vendor/nvidia/shuttle, instead of extract_file.sh since it's missing for this device?
[14:28] <rsalveti> dholbach: I'm checking the patches today
[14:31] <dholbach> rsalveti, rock and roll
[14:31] <omac> on github how can I contact rondoval?
[14:44] <benlu> hello. Will be Ubuntu for phone totally free software(opensource)?
[14:44] <ogra_> it already is
[14:44] <smartboyhw> ogra_, how about the proprietary blobs?
[14:45] <ogra_> they arent indeed, but there is nothing we can do about that :)
[14:45] <smartboyhw> ogra_, so your statement is wrong
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Bad dog:P
[14:45] <ogra_> pfft
[14:45] <ogra_> the code is all open and free
[14:45] <ogra_> the non-code obviously isnt
[14:45] <ogra_> sicne we dont own it
[14:46] <smartboyhw> ogra_, well he didn't explicitly say "code"P
[14:46] <ivanka> hi ogra_
[14:46]  * ogra_ hugs ivanka ... hey !
[14:46] <benlu> yes or no? ^^
[14:46] <ivanka> Ogra I met with people from this project: http://www.fairphone.com/
[14:46] <smartboyhw> benlu, 99%:P
[14:46] <benlu> hrhr.
[14:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:46] <ogra_> benlu, all code ubuntu produces plus all code from android is opensource
[14:47]  * ivanka gives ogra a nice hug
[14:47] <ogra_> benlu, but manufacturers simply dont opne up their driver code often enough, so these parts cant be free
[14:48] <ogra_> ivanka, wow, thats cool !
[14:48] <ivanka> ogra_, I knew you would like it. I told them when they have hardware they should send it to us and we will make it lovely and open source
[14:48] <ogra_> ivanka, definitely !!
[14:48] <ivanka> ogra_, when I said us, I meant you, of course, not me :-)
[14:49] <ogra_> lol
[14:49] <ogra_> well, get me one, i'll make it work and send it to you :)
[14:49] <ogra_> then you can make it full of bling :)
[14:52]  * benlu does bling bling.
[14:52] <ogra_> :)
[14:53] <ivanka> ogra_, hehe - deal!
[15:12] <corden> hi guys, just having problem with MainView... I cannot run my apps since MainView is causing an error.
[15:27] <ckpringle> Hi corden: - kaleo might be able to help?
[15:28] <corden> thanks ckpringle, i'll ask kaleo later since, I got the qmltheme error thing grrrr
[15:38] <AJenbo> I get "adbd cannot run as root in production builds" when running "adb root"
[15:38] <AJenbo> Hello i can't seam to flash my Nexuz 7
[15:39] <AJenbo> I already unlocked the bootloader and "sudo fastboot oem unlock" reports that it has been unlocked
[15:39] <AJenbo> USB debuggin is also enabled and adb devices reports the device
[15:39] <ogra_> did you also enable root access in the usb debugging settings ?
[15:40] <ogra_> there is an extra checkbox
[15:40] <AJenbo> ogra_: i don't see it... it wan't mentioned on the wiki either
[15:41] <AJenbo> infact the word root does not appear on the wiki page
[15:41] <AJenbo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:42] <AJenbo> The device runs android 4.1.2, but i didn't have to click build number 7 times to see the dev menu
[15:43] <BoardDWorld> When running 4.1.2 I found I had to unplug the device a few times
[15:46] <AJenbo> BoardDWorld: did you see the device every time?
[15:47] <BoardDWorld> No I didn't
[15:47] <ogra_> also try "adb root" manually
[15:52] <AJenbo> ogra_: that is what i did to get the error message
[15:52] <AJenbo> BoardDWorld: i do
[15:52] <AJenbo> Could it be the low battery level
[15:56] <ogra_> AJenbo, oh, you didnt mention the battery, yes, the nexus7 behaves very erratically on low battery
[15:56] <AJenbo> Ok, going to try an different one that has 4.22 and a 30% charge
[15:57] <AJenbo> Some one should probably put a note on the wiki about the battery...
[15:59] <BoardDWorld> has anyone tried these packages?
[15:59] <BoardDWorld> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa
[16:00] <AJenbo> Same deal "adbd cannot run as root in production builds"
[16:01] <AJenbo> It just ran the android update so must be suficiently charged
[16:19] <ocelot> Great os! ubuntu phone !
[16:29] <hemangpatel> Hello Guys
[16:30] <hemangpatel> Stable release date ?
[16:31] <hemangpatel> I'm waiting for it :)
[16:37] <ogra_> hemangpatel, april 2014
[16:37] <hemangpatel> ogra_ : ohh long time.
[16:40] <hemangpatel> ogra_ : It's only for android mobiles >
[16:41] <ogra_> what would you want to run it on ?
[16:41] <hemangpatel> ogra_ : symbian phone :)
[16:41] <ogra_> heh, that would likely not fulfill the HW reqs
[16:42] <hemangpatel> ogra_ :) it will run on dual core processor ?
[16:42] <hemangpatel> or quard core required ?
[16:43] <ogra_> it will run on any core thats v7 ... though on single core it will be super laggy i guess
[16:43] <ogra_> but you want >512MB
[16:43] <ogra_> rather 1G
[16:43] <hemangpatel> ok
[16:43] <hemangpatel> ogra_ : are they planning for they own phones ?
[16:44] <omac> ogra are you saying it won't run on 512MB RAM?
[16:44] <ogra_> we are waiting for HW manufacturers to jump on it once it is usable indeed
[16:44] <ogra_> omac, the shell will, i doubt you will be running many apps on that though
[16:44] <omac> understood.
[16:45] <omac> one at a time, should be ok though right?
[16:45] <hemangpatel> ogra_ : nice talk.. thanks
[16:45] <ogra_> except that ubuntu offers multitasking ... so the second one you start will then likely kill the first one
[16:45] <ogra_> to make room in ram
[16:53] <scottandmo> Would it be possible to install this on a galaxy note 2?
[16:53] <ogra_> scottandmo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:54] <scottandmo> ogra: sweet, thanks
[17:01] <menelkir> Seems that p3100 is running fine now :P
[17:01] <menelkir> if anyone is interested
[17:07] <crypticmofo> im lookin on the http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[17:08] <crypticmofo> this means stuff is uploaded daily correct ?
[17:08] <ogra_> yes
[17:08] <ogra_> go one level up
[17:08] <crypticmofo> aw
[17:08] <crypticmofo> i see
[17:08] <ogra_> "current" is just a link to the latest
[17:08] <crypticmofo> the dates
[17:08] <crypticmofo> thanks ogra_
[17:09] <crypticmofo> i think i used a image from when it first came out
[17:09] <crypticmofo> didn't work but it was awesome
[17:10] <crypticmofo> ogra_, CDMA in the future for ubuntu-touch do you think it will ever happen ?
[17:10] <ogra_> not sure, we uses the ofono stack and that currently only supports GSM afaik
[17:11] <crypticmofo> dam
[17:11] <ogra_> if someone adds CDMA it will indeed just work :)
[17:11] <crypticmofo> anyone working on CDMA ?
[17:19] <student-of-Big_M> will there be a way to root my Galaxy Vibrant with Ubuntu software using the old processor? Only time will tell. Im cheap what can I say!
[17:20] <menelkir> what do you mean in root?
[17:20] <menelkir> using root via adb in ubuntu touch?
[17:20] <traxmac> being cheap is ok, I am curious if anyone is using a clone
[17:21] <student-of-Big_M> uninstalling my android kernal.
[17:22] <student-of-Big_M> strictly using Ubuntu
[17:29] <crypticmofo> i think im going to put ubuntu on for about 5 mins to test i out again
[17:31] <ogra_> i think you will see larger changes within the next week or two ... we will define a lot of stuff at the vUDS the next two days that will likely land then
[17:32] <oneadvent> ogra_: when do you suppose toro will be supported?
[17:32] <ogra_> no idea, talk to the porter :)
[17:33] <ogra_> thats why we ask them to link their contact data on the devices wikipage
[17:33] <oneadvent> oh can you link me to the devices page you speak of so I can talk to the porter
[17:33] <oneadvent> please
[17:33] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:33] <oneadvent> thanks ogra_ helpful as always
[17:33] <ogra_> :)
[17:34] <menelkir> I'm having some problems with RIL in p3100, im trying to debug to see how I can't press the "call" button
[17:35] <menelkir> but it's strange, there's nothing in logcat
[17:35] <menelkir> same to dmesg
[17:43] <ajbiz11> wow...of course, I look all over for Ubuntu Phone source...ubuntu touch...grr
[17:56] <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-March/036776.html
[18:23] <Tigrouzen> ogra_, thank
[18:30] <rsalveti> ndec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[18:31] <rsalveti> ndec: that's your delayed answer ;-)
[18:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, HAHAHAHA
[18:32] <ogra_> i had totally forgotten, cool
[18:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: :-)
[18:34] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: where did we get on generating something like release notes for the dailies
[18:35] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: mmrazik|afk just landed a change at jenkins that will create a more useful package changelog
[18:35] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: once that is working as expected, I'll hook a script that will generate the changelog when creating the image
[18:35] <pmcgowan> rsalveti: then we parse it for a summary ?
[18:35] <pmcgowan> ok cool
[18:35] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yes, we basically create a manifest diff and grab the latest package changelog
[18:36] <rsalveti> so we can have more useful description of what changed
[18:36] <ogra_> that will become a huge file if you dont restrict it though
[18:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: not that huge
[18:36] <ogra_> for the live images we just publish packagelists with versions
[18:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: unless we change hundreds of packages per day
[18:36] <rsalveti> which is not the case yet :-)
[18:36] <rsalveti> as we're based on quantal
[18:37] <rsalveti> things will be different once we switch to raring
[18:37] <ogra_> well, i'm just scared by user expectations
[18:37] <ogra_> once we switch to cdimage there will only be manifests
[18:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but we can try to come up with something there
[18:37] <ogra_> and users will have to look up detailed changeslogs
[18:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: is there a changelog for the ubuntu daily images?
[18:37] <rsalveti> it'd probably be useful to have
[18:37] <ogra_> manifests ... thats it
[18:37] <rsalveti> right
[18:38] <rsalveti> we want more than that
[18:38] <ogra_> you could surely pull that from launchpad
[18:38] <ogra_> and include it somehow
[18:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, that's what our script is doing
[18:38] <ogra_> but we have like 1500 packages on the cd images
[18:38] <rsalveti> well, will do (not yet added during the build step)
[18:38] <ogra_> that will not be usable
[18:39] <rsalveti> right, we could just publish a script, if that's too much
[18:39] <ogra_> and once we build phablet on cdimage they might only be 800 pkgs or so, but thats still to much to parse imho
[18:39] <ogra_> in a single file if you look for something
[18:40] <rsalveti> I'd not expect a huge list like that to change from one day to next one
[18:40] <ogra_> what we definitely should have is a daily git changelog excerpt for the android side
[18:40] <rsalveti> might happen sometimes, but not always the case
[18:40] <ogra_> i do, once we're on raring
[18:40] <rsalveti> 800 packages per day?
[18:40] <rsalveti> I don't think so
[18:41] <dbk> hello, anyone porting touch for HTC Vision?
[18:41] <ogra_> no, but 100-200 can easily happen
[18:41] <rsalveti> as I said, could happen, but wouldn'tbe that frequent
[18:41] <rsalveti> yeah, will track that to see
[18:41] <ogra_> dbk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices check if its there, else try to convince someone :)
[18:42] <dbk> yep just checked and some is working on a port for HTC Saga
[18:42] <dbk> but there was no instruction for it, states WIP
[18:43] <ogra_> contact the porter then
[18:43] <matge> hey, is telepathy-python still supported on ubuntu touch? http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Telepathy%20Python tells me that it's deprecated
[18:45] <dbk> thank you :-)
[18:46] <rsalveti> matge: afaik yes, but boiko should know more
[18:47] <boiko> matge: we have updated the telepathy specs in there, but at some point we will move away from telepathy-python
[19:13] <matge> boiko: People at #telepathy tell me that pygobject and telepathy-glib does not work either
[19:13] <boiko> matge: yes, I saw
[19:14] <matge> boiko: so my protocol specific code is in python right now, and I would like to keep it there because it's managed by a different upstream
[19:15] <matge> boiko: rewritting that in C++ is my least favourable option
[19:15] <boiko> matge: I think for now it is still a viable alternative, if you check the code of telepathy-ofono (the one we implemented to communicate to ofono)
[19:16] <matge> boiko: is there a ppa for phablet-extras/telepathy-python?
[19:16] <jair> hello hello, excited to find out if there is a version of ubuntu-touch for Galaxy S3 or iphone 3Gs.  I have these two devices ready for flashing and testing
[19:16] <boiko> matge: you can still use python for now
[19:16] <boiko> matge: check the code of telepathy-ofono
[19:17] <jair> I wonder if I can use the version released to galaxy nexus on galaxy s 3
[19:17] <jair> at least for now?
[19:17] <boiko> matge: should be on the phablet-team one, let me check
[19:18] <matge> boiko: you mean https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa, where it says "Don't enable this PPA at your host machine"?
[19:18] <jair> I am also willing to improve my skills maintaining .deb packages and help with the project
[19:19] <jair> will be awesome...
[19:20] <hpsaturn> highvolt1ge, I newbie on UbuntuTouch, I compile my own version of Android Parts, like a port documentation.
[19:20] <hpsaturn> I newbie on UbuntuTouch, I compile my own version of Android Parts, like a port documentation.
[19:21] <boiko> matge: yeah, exactly that one, but maybe you can build your own python-telepathy package?
[19:21] <hpsaturn> but, ubuntu parts not understand how to it
[19:21] <boiko> matge: I mean, from the bzr branch
[19:21] <hpsaturn> anyone know how I can do this?
[19:22] <hpsaturn> (Ubuntu parts)
[19:22] <matge> boiko: I thought about using that ppa, but pinning it and the selectively checking out telepathy-python
[19:22] <boiko> matge: that's an option, but telepathy-python package is also really fast to build if you decide to go for it
[19:23] <hpsaturn> as I can create quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip from source, after successful compilation. ?
[19:24] <hpsaturn> I try:  sudo pbuilder-dist quantal armhf create
[19:24] <matge> boiko: can you tell me what has to be done on the message-menu side to use me to-be-written whatsapp connectionmanager? Or some other way to debug the connection manager?
[19:24] <hpsaturn> but return: Warning: Unknown distribution «quantal». Do you want to continue [y/N]? N
[19:30] <t1mp_> matge: are you workingon whatsapp for ubuntu?
[19:30] <matge> t1mp_: yes, I'm the author
[19:31] <t1mp_> matge: that's supercool :) I was waiting for that.
[19:31] <matge> t1mp_: thanks .)
[19:32] <t1mp_> matge: what is the state of the app at the moment/
[19:32] <t1mp_> I found a library for whatsapp connectivity recently - https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup maybe its useful for you
[19:32] <matge> you can register,send messages,receive messages/images/videos/locations
[19:32] <matge> t1mp_: I'm already using it. Had to modify it a bit
[19:33] <t1mp_> awesome :) where can I get your app? :)
[19:33] <hpsaturn> Hello folks
[19:33] <hpsaturn> as I can create quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip from source, after successful compilation. ?
[19:33] <hpsaturn> I try:  sudo pbuilder-dist quantal armhf create
[19:33] <hpsaturn> but return: Warning: Unknown distribution «quantal». Do you want to continue [y/N]? N
[19:33] <matge> see https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00658.html
[19:34] <ogra_> hpsaturn, i dont think pbuilder-dist is a command :) ... better try pbuilder -dist
[19:35] <t1mp_> matge: are you using the ubuntu SDK?
[19:35] <hpsaturn> ogra_, from root repo directory? o from out directory?
[19:35] <matge> t1mp_: I'm using a lot, and also the ubuntu sdk
[19:35] <t1mp_> matge: it will help with the design also if you use it.
[19:35] <t1mp_> ah, cool.
[19:36] <ogra_> hpsaturn, pbuilder is a tool to build .deb packages, is that what you plan to do ?
[19:36] <hpsaturn> not
[19:36] <t1mp_> matge: if you use the Tabs (or soon MainView) from the SDK, you will automatically have a nice header, and a toolbar will be really easy to add.
[19:36] <hpsaturn> i try generate: quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip after successful compilation..
[19:37] <t1mp_> and with a PageStack, the back-button will automatically be in the toolbar
[19:37] <ogra_> hpsaturn, thats created using the ubuntu infrastructure, i doubt you can easily replicate that at home, read the documentation for live-build if you really attempt to
[19:38] <ogra_> hpsaturn, also note that the .zip only contains binary ubuntu packages, there is no compilation involved on that level
[19:38] <ogra_> (teh phablet*.zip that is)
[19:38] <t1mp_> matge: anyway, if you have sdk questions feel free to ask me, I'm working on that.
[19:38] <matge> t1mp_: thats good to know, thanks!
[19:39] <matge> I reported some bugs regarding the sdk/qml
[19:39] <hpsaturn> ogra_, on port documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting on ubuntu parts section, they suggest pbuilder-dist quantal armhf create
[19:40] <ogra_> hpsaturn, if you want to build one of the packages from source after changing the source
[19:40] <hpsaturn> mmm
[19:40] <ogra_> that has nothing to do with the full root filesystem
[19:41] <t1mp_> matge: woah I see a lot of new bugs reported on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/
[19:41] <t1mp_> matge: we will need to go through all of them soon
[19:41] <hpsaturn> ogra_, but in the repo, is the source for the parts of ubuntu
[19:41] <matge> t1mp_: It's good sign that so many people care to report bugs
[19:42] <t1mp_> yes, it is
[19:42] <t1mp_> it is great that people are using it :)
[19:42] <ogra_> hpsaturn, which repo
[19:43] <hpsaturn> ogra_, in the porting repo
[19:43] <hpsaturn> phablet-dev-bootstrap
[19:43] <ogra_> hpsaturn, there is the git repo at pablet.ubuntu.com that contains the android bits and there are the different source branches for some of the deb packages in the ubuntu rootfs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview
[19:44] <hpsaturn> but
[19:44] <ogra_> hpsaturn, phablet-dev-bootstrap branches the android bits from the git server
[19:44] <hpsaturn> but, in out/target/product/mako
[19:44] <hpsaturn> after compilation
[19:44] <ogra_> anbd will build an android core system for you
[19:44] <hpsaturn> system img are generated
[19:44] <ogra_> the ubuntu rootfs isnt easily home buildable, just use it from the cdimage server
[19:45] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ has the latest
[19:46] <hpsaturn> ok ogra_ many thanks
[19:46] <hpsaturn> but i not understand
[19:46] <matge> should I try to avoid using "WhatsApp" in the code for legal reasons? I'm not familiar with that subject
[19:46] <hpsaturn> I will search more
[19:47] <MrNerd> yooo
[19:47] <ogra_> hpsaturn, the ubuntu touch image consists of two parts ... one is a hardware layer (anrdoid) and the other is an ubuntu filesystem (the phablet zip file)
[19:47] <MrNerd> when you install this does it show a boot animation?
[19:48] <ogra_> to port to a different device you only need to build a new android img, the phablet zip is generic enough to just work on top of that no matter what hardware you have
[19:48] <ogra_> and the phablet zip is not differnt to an ubuntu desktop PC, it knows the same commands and you can install the same packages
[19:49] <MrNerd> ogra does it have a bootanimation?
[19:49] <ogra_> MrNerd, not yet
[19:49] <MrNerd> ok so it will sit on splash screen?
[19:49] <ogra_> i guess thats somethign the new display server will make very easy though
[19:50] <MrNerd> when i flash it
[19:50] <MrNerd> it just sits at splash screen..
[19:50] <MrNerd> i ported it myself.
[19:50] <MrNerd> so im not sure if i did it right or not..
[19:50] <ogra_> well, are you sure it works :)
[19:50] <MrNerd> no im not thats what im trying to test..
[19:51] <MrNerd> it flashes successfully both zips
[19:51] <ogra_> i tried a port to the galaxy S2 on the weekend and had some issues with my port
[19:51] <MrNerd> cm doesnt support s2
[19:51] <MrNerd> you have to use another repo.
[19:51] <ogra_> well, it works fine now
[19:51] <MrNerd> hmm...
[19:52] <MrNerd> it boots up?
[19:52] <ogra_> but the installation didnt go flawless
[19:52] <ogra_> i had a similar issue ...
[19:52] <MrNerd> ok so how do i know if i did everything right
[19:52] <MrNerd> i compiled
[19:52] <MrNerd> i flashed
[19:52] <ogra_> i then booted into recovery (nicely finding that it has an ubuntu logo) and noticed that /data and /system arent mounted, so the unzipping went nowhere
[19:53] <MrNerd> ok so my recovery
[19:53] <MrNerd> when i flash
[19:53] <MrNerd> and it stays that.
[19:53] <MrNerd> is twrp
[19:53] <ogra_> so i pushed both zips via adb to the sdcard folder ... mounted both direcotries with adb and used the flashing from the recovery menu
[19:54] <ogra_> that solved it for me, apart from some font rendering issues with the mali driver the image works fine on my S2
[19:54] <MrNerd> both zips meaning the preinstall  and the built zip?
[19:54] <ogra_> (and i only followed the porting guide, no magic involved)
[19:54] <ogra_> took about 2h
[19:55] <ogra_> right your "UNOFFICIAL ... zip" in the out folder
[19:55] <ogra_> flash that first
[19:55] <MrNerd> yup
[19:55] <ogra_> then the phablet zip
[19:55] <MrNerd> then the preinstall
[19:55] <MrNerd> ok
[19:55] <MrNerd> and i reboot.
[19:55] <ogra_> and make sure the dirs are mounted and empty
[19:55] <MrNerd> ok data and system
[19:56] <ogra_> the phablet zip actually prints a lot progress info during unpacking
[19:57] <trapntan> wait, which preinstall?
[19:57] <ogra_> the phablet zip file
[19:57] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:57] <MrNerd> ogra by make sure its empty do you mean wioe system and data?
[19:58] <ogra_> thats what i did, since there was some old data in them
[19:58] <MrNerd> before or after you flashed
[19:58] <ogra_> before indeed
[19:58] <MrNerd> ok just checking
[19:58] <ogra_> recovery formats it ...
[19:59] <ogra_> so it would have aiped what i flashed
[19:59] <ogra_> *wiped
[19:59] <trapntan> Sorry just checking, I didn't realize at first to flash the phablet with the unofficial from 'out' directory
[19:59] <MrNerd> me either.
[19:59] <MrNerd> it doesnt say that.
[19:59] <trapntan> Now I hang at waiting for service surfaceflinger
[20:00] <MrNerd> your booted??
[20:00] <trapntan> just loops around with a few errors
[20:00] <ogra_> err, no, you want to flash your self built zip first
[20:00] <ogra_> and the phablet on top of that
[20:00] <trapntan> right, mine then the phablet
[20:00]  * ogra_ thinks he said that above
[20:01] <ogra_> if in doubt you could pull the source of the phablet-flash script and just do what it does by hand :)
[20:01] <MrNerd> ogra i have a uid problem with ubuntu can you help me?
[20:01] <MrNerd> i actually did that
[20:01] <ogra_> uid ?
[20:01] <MrNerd> i get error 7
[20:01] <MrNerd> uuig
[20:01] <MrNerd> uuid
[20:01] <MrNerd> its unrelated
[20:01] <ogra_> on the phablet ?
[20:01] <MrNerd> i need to change my uuid
[20:01] <MrNerd> unrelated
[20:01] <MrNerd> ubuntu issue now.
[20:01] <MrNerd> im just tired of seeing his.
[20:02] <MrNerd> this error.
[20:02] <MrNerd> when i use sudo
[20:02] <ogra_> have a look  at tne2fs
[20:02] <ogra_> tune2fs
[20:02] <ogra_> you have a uuid issue with sudo ?!?!
[20:02] <MrNerd> yyes.
[20:02] <ogra_> now you get confusing :)
[20:03] <ogra_> sudo is in no way related to uuids
[20:03] <MrNerd> ...
[20:03] <MrNerd> thats not what im saying..
[20:03] <MrNerd> sudo: /var/lib/sudo owned by uid 1000, should be uid 0
[20:04] <ogra_> sudo chown -R root.root /var/lib/sudo
[20:04] <ogra_> that shoudl fix it
[20:04] <MrNerd> thanks
[20:04] <ogra_> though you should inspect why that actually happened
[20:04] <MrNerd> i didit.
[20:04] <MrNerd> 1000 is my uid
[20:05] <MrNerd> i di chown *:*  /*
[20:05] <ogra_> its very dangerous if parts of sudo are owned by the default user
[20:05] <ogra_> ugh
[20:05] <MrNerd> its just an os.
[20:05] <ogra_> you shouldnt go in the internet with that
[20:05] <ogra_> thats like a honeypot for hackers
[20:05] <MrNerd> what they gonna steal my neighbors  password?
[20:05] <MrNerd> rofl
[20:05]  * ogra_ would recommend a clean reinstall
[20:05] <MrNerd> i dont use this comp for anything other than programing
[20:06] <MrNerd> so idc.
[20:06] <seepa14> hey, what would be best way to keep track of all device specific changes I make (I'm porting to the p4wifi galaxy tab) ? fork device and kernel cyanogenmod repos at github? create bzr branches ?
[20:06] <ogra_> no, running your machine as part of a biotnet to hack a bacnk
[20:06] <ogra_> *botnet
[20:06] <MrNerd> cool
[20:06] <MrNerd> that would be awesome lol
[20:06] <MrNerd> i wouldnt care
[20:06] <ogra_> and getting you in jail for it (because your IP was used)
[20:06] <MrNerd> i have alabies
[20:06] <ogra_> i'm serious
[20:06] <ogra_> reinstall
[20:06] <ogra_> immediately
[20:06] <MrNerd> as am i ..
[20:06] <MrNerd> no.
[20:06] <MrNerd> idc.
[20:06] <MrNerd> lol
[20:07] <MrNerd> your being paranoid.
[20:07] <ogra_> nope
[20:07] <ogra_> just 30years in that business
[20:07] <MrNerd> yeah you are..
[20:07] <MrNerd> it wont happen where i live.
[20:07] <ogra_> well
[20:08] <MrNerd> i would rather go to jail for that then what i went for ..
[20:08] <ogra_> you will definitely run into more probs over time with that setup
[20:08] <ogra_> its massively broken
[20:08] <MrNerd> oh well.
[20:08] <MrNerd> * is where my username was btw.
[20:08] <menelkir> I must agree with ogra_
[20:09] <MrNerd> I didnt actually use *
[20:09] <ogra_> thats clear
[20:09] <ogra_> chown wouldnt accept *
[20:09] <MrNerd> ok
[20:09] <MrNerd> ill learn when it happends
[20:10] <MrNerd>  i like learning that way
[20:10] <MrNerd> fixing problems.
[20:10] <ogra_> anyway, your system will fall apart if it doesnt turn into a spam and bot pot before
[20:10] <MrNerd> i need to back this repo up tho.
[20:10] <MrNerd> it wont.
[20:10] <menelkir> for e in *; do busybox chown -R $e; done
[20:10]  * menelkir is a bad person
[20:10] <MrNerd> the internet i use
[20:11] <MrNerd> i tether my 3g to my phone.
[20:11] <ogra_> yes, and probably 100 people on your PC too  now though all the wide open backdoors you created
[20:11] <MrNerd> thats all
[20:11] <menelkir> talking about bad person, let me try bash fork bomb in my tablet
[20:11] <MrNerd> lolo
[20:12] <MrNerd> ogra
[20:12] <MrNerd> can you hack me?
[20:12] <MrNerd> andshow me.
[20:13]  * ogra_ has better stuff to do
[20:13] <MrNerd> most people do..
[20:13] <catman232> Does anyone here know why none of the US GSIIIs (besides vzw) haven't gotten a port yet? I'm downloading the sources to attempt to build it myself, but I assume there is some kind of technical limitation
[20:13] <MrNerd> nope.
[20:13] <MrNerd> just lazy devs
[20:13] <catman232> Oh, ok
[20:13] <MrNerd> or no one cares or want s it
[20:13] <MrNerd> take a long ass time to start up tho
[20:13] <catman232> I'm sure a lot of people want it :P
[20:14] <MrNerd> like you yeah
[20:14] <MrNerd> but dev wise no.
[20:14] <ajalkane> GSIII is pretty fringe phone, I doubt no one cares...
[20:14] <menelkir> bash fork doesnt work in android :|
[20:14] <MrNerd> then why is there no port?
[20:14] <MrNerd> if EVERYONE CARES?!
[20:14] <ogra_> menelkir, because it lives in a container i'd guess
[20:14] <ajalkane> Sorry I misspelled in my drunken haze. I meant I doubt anyone cares.
[20:14] <catman232> It'd be pretty cool to put Dalvik back into Ubuntu touch so you can run Android apps and Ubuntu apps side by side
[20:15] <MrNerd> do it then
[20:15] <menelkir> ogra_: yeah but..
[20:15] <MrNerd> add it.
[20:15] <menelkir> :(){ :|:& };:
[20:15] <catman232> I honestly would have no idea where to even start with that :P
[20:15] <MrNerd> me either
[20:15] <MrNerd> i just follow guides
[20:15] <MrNerd>  im not smart
[20:15] <MrNerd> ogra is tho.
[20:15] <catman232> I'm a web guy, so a lot of this stuff goes over my head
[20:16] <MrNerd> hes super smart
[20:16] <MrNerd> im a nothing guy
[20:16] <ogra_> catman232, with the switch to Mir thery wouldnt run unless you port dalvik to it
[20:16] <ajalkane> Please mr. Nerd don't sell yourself short.
[20:16] <MrNerd> im a troll
[20:16] <MrNerd> that is all
[20:16] <MrNerd> aj your like the 5th person to tell me that this week lol
[20:16] <doomlord> you'd need dalvik and the whole of android?]
[20:16] <MrNerd> everyones always like be positive
[20:17] <ajalkane> Yeah... I'm mr. positive. But really, trolls are not short. So be proud and tall.
[20:17] <ogra_> MrNerd, if you really want to be a troll, survive a day on #beagle and i'll give you a troll certificate ;)
[20:17] <MrNerd> beagle
[20:17] <MrNerd> lol
[20:17] <MrNerd> survive  a day on myg0t.
[20:17] <MrNerd> i hated them..
[20:17] <MrNerd> but they show you how to not care
[20:18] <catman232> Since Ubuntu is isolated in it's own layer ontop of Android, couldn't you add the ubuntu image to a CM10 based rom that still has Dalvik?
[20:18] <catman232> (Sorry, i'm a complete noob)
[20:18] <MrNerd> no it boots cm10
[20:18] <MrNerd> i did that.
[20:18] <MrNerd> i was working on a zip that flashes it all at once
[20:18] <catman232> Well, obviously it would
[20:18] <MrNerd> instead of seperare
[20:18] <MrNerd> it hasa framework of cm10.
[20:18] <catman232> You'd have to develop a way to switch between the two
[20:18] <ogra_> catman232, nope, wont work without the ubuntu modifications to CM
[20:19] <MrNerd> ajalkane
[20:19] <MrNerd> what you drinking!
[20:19] <ali1234> guys, if you want to run dalvik apps on ubuntu you are much better using a higher level emulation like how wine does it
[20:19] <MrNerd> bluestack
[20:19] <ajalkane> At the moment red wine, for my own pleasure.
[20:19] <MrNerd> oh nice!
[20:19] <MrNerd> moscato drinker?
[20:19] <catman232> Emulation sucks though :/
[20:19] <MrNerd> yes!!
[20:20] <doomlord> is the answer dual-booting
[20:20] <catman232> Dual-booting isn't very clean
[20:20] <MrNerd> can we even dual boot?
[20:20] <ali1234> catman232: java is always emulated 100% of the time... and so is dalvik. so there is zero hit from doing it this way
[20:20] <ajalkane> Just run of the mill australian cabernet sauvignon
[20:20] <MrNerd> pro touch 2 could dual boot android
[20:20] <MrNerd> that cheap stuff?
[20:21] <doomlord> n7 dualbooting android & ubuntu desktop would seem like a nice setup
[20:21] <catman232> alil, I mean emulation as far as emulating a complete seperate environment
[20:21] <catman232> Like a virtual machine
[20:21] <MrNerd> well not cheap but under $20
[20:21] <MrNerd> ogra_
[20:21] <ajalkane> Yeah, I'm price conscious wine drinker. You could also say a "poor man" wine drinker
[20:21] <catman232> A hardware emulator, not just something like a JVM that interfaces directly to the OS
[20:21] <catman232> (Like VMWarE)
[20:21] <catman232> e*
[20:21] <MrNerd> ahhhh nothing wrong with that bro... meeee tooo
[20:22] <MrNerd> i dont even like to get drunk.
[20:22] <MrNerd> i just drink for a taste
[20:22] <MrNerd>  like you drink water or pop
[20:22] <brion> dual-booting would be nice as a developer who occasionally needs to test, but for a user i'd much rather have direct android app compatibility on ubuntu.
[20:22] <ajalkane> I drink for taste... but I don't mind getting drunk either. I'm pretty fine with that in fact.
[20:22] <MrNerd> some drinks taste so good alcho ruins it
[20:22] <_Scott_> why does the ubuntu wiki for Touch only have instructions related to devices with Android on them? what if I have a blank tablet I want to install it on?
[20:22] <ali1234> emulation has kind of lost it's meaning since everything is software these days
[20:23] <MrNerd> you cant yet scoot
[20:23] <MrNerd> scott*
[20:23] <menelkir> _Scott_: the same question about a non-supported-cyanogenmod :P
[20:23] <menelkir> _Scott_: btw, theres a lot of WIP
[20:23] <MrNerd> itsnot done
[20:23] <menelkir> _Scott_: if you have a p3100, youre in luck cause I have a semi-functional build :P
[20:23] <catman232> Ubuntu's interface looks really nice, but my only worry is how they're going to start gettings people to build native apps
[20:23] <_Scott_> trying to get it on an ExoPC
[20:23] <ali1234> anyway, sunch android emulation layer already exists. it is up to OEMs to license it or not
[20:23] <catman232> For instance, Facebook probably won't come out with a native app becuase the HTML5 one works just fine for them
[20:24] <brion> in which case, why bother writing native apps. :) html forevah
[20:24] <ali1234> see http://openmobileww.com/products.php
[20:24] <doomlord> ew
[20:24] <doomlord> native ftw
[20:24] <MrNerd> whats the language?
[20:24] <ajalkane> catty: if users come, native apps will come. If geeks come, in time other users come. It's not easy to get overnight success and I think canonical understands that.
[20:25] <doomlord> I hope we reach the point where desktop & mobile are truly unified
[20:25] <_Scott_> thanks for the info
[20:25] <catman232> Yeah, I hope Ubuntu does better than the other platforms
[20:25] <ajalkane> I'm rooting for Sailfish and Ubuntu. I wish they both do well.
[20:25] <ali1234> as a user of linux smartphones for several years i hope desktop and mobile is never unified, because it makes absolutely no sense at all
[20:26] <doomlord> I hope we find enough ways of making mobile programs work 'ok' with mouse (mouse+keys)
[20:26] <catman232> Yeah, I think Sailfish is OK. I don't really like the UI very much though
[20:26] <doomlord> then the desktop is basically windowed mobile apps
[20:26] <ajalkane> Sailfish UI looks lots better now than last year. And I trust it's improved further come release.
[20:26] <catman232> Android is still my favorite because it doesn't feel like a toy, and i'm not doing random gestures everywhere to reveal hidden menus and such
[20:27] <MrNerd> lol
[20:27] <doomlord> gestures work better than buttons for youch
[20:27] <doomlord> touch^
[20:27] <ajalkane> But Ubuntu UI looked really great in the demos. Then again, it remains to be seen what the development APIs are for Ubuntu phone for mobile specific parts. Sailfish probably has better understanding on that by their MeeGo inheritance.
[20:28] <catman232> The only thing i've ever used is Android and iOS (only used iOS for a few months), so that's part of the reason I want to try Ubuntu
[20:28] <catman232> I might change my mind
[20:28] <doomlord> i hope that ubuntu touch doesn't distract people from getting the full ubuntu desktop on more arm devices
[20:28] <doomlord> hopefully there will be synergy
[20:28] <BoardDWorld> just trying to install a daily build with the argument "-l" instead of "-b" as advised in the install wiki
[20:28] <BoardDWorld> but it comes back as invalid, any ideas?
[20:28] <catman232> I really like Ubuntu's UI, besides having to swipe up then push back to go back
[20:29] <ali1234> doomlord: pretty much the whole archive is built for arm already
[20:29] <doomlord> want: ubuntu arm desktop on N10
[20:29] <catman232> That'll get annoying if you dig deep into menus or whatever
[20:29] <doomlord> but it needs more optimiztion & device support ?
[20:29] <doomlord> The other thing is ubuntu on win8 touch laptops
[20:29] <ajalkane> What's this push back to go back?
[20:30] <ali1234> ajalkane: open hud, press back button
[20:30] <ajalkane> I thought Ubuntu phone has the traditional back button to go up the stack
[20:30] <catman232> I'm talking about having to swipe up to reveal the back button
[20:30] <ogra_> doomlord, it runs fine on a surface pro
[20:30] <doomlord> One machine i'm very tempted by is a Lenovo Yoga.
[20:30] <ali1234> ajalkane: it does but it is hidden behind a gesture
[20:30] <doomlord> ogra_, thats great news
[20:30] <ajalkane> ali1234: I see... we're not talking in-app navigation but something to do with the hud?
[20:30] <ali1234> ajalkane: the hud is the only type of in app navigation there is
[20:31] <catman232> Wait, is the Ubuntu Touch UI going to run on the desktop version of Ubuntu too?
[20:31] <catman232> That'd be awesome
[20:31] <ajalkane> Not sure I understand... what I've looked at the APIs this description doesn't ring bells to me.
[20:31] <doomlord> any videos of ubuntu on surface pro ?
[20:32] <ali1234> ajalkane: go into gallery, open a photo, now try to go back to the overview
[20:32] <ali1234> ajalkane: or try to back in the browser
[20:32] <ajalkane> ali1234: ok I have no idea about that as I can't install Ubuntu touch on any device I own. I only know the QML apis, and you can have the back button in the menu. I guess it's application specific how it's implemented.
[20:32] <catman232> Other than that (minor) thing, I think the UI is pretty awesome
[20:32] <ali1234> ajalkane: what menu?
[20:33] <ajalkane> I'm at the impression that the swipes are reserved for changing between tabs
[20:33] <ali1234> no, there is a swipe that reveal the menu too
[20:33] <ajalkane> the toolbar menu that's available at bottom
[20:33] <ali1234> yes, you have to swipe to reveal that
[20:33] <ajalkane> you can specify is the menu is always available or only with a swipe
[20:33] <brion> swipe from the bottom belongs to the app, from the sides belongs to the system
[20:33] <brion> just like win8 ;) </troll>
[20:34] <Mrnerd> ok
[20:34] <Mrnerd> so can anyone tell me how to connect with xchat or another program other than the webchat..
[20:35] <Mrnerd> i keep getting that sasl. error and i have sasl but its not detecting it
[20:36] <brion> MrNerd: on the ubuntu-touch images? no x11 yet i think, so no xchat unless you run it over ssh forwarding on another screen
[20:37] <ogra_> mrnerd_hi, probably because sasl refuses to not work as UID 0
[20:37] <ogra_> as many other bits will
[20:39] <matge> telepathy-python question: where does telepathy.server.Protocol.check_parameters() gets list of good parameters from?
[20:40] <OrokuSaki> Someone help a dude out with wifi? I am confused as hell.. I have verified my kernel, module, and firmware are good enough in ubuntu-touch to do a iwlist scan ONLY if I do this command, which breaks the network manager..  mount -t proc proc /proc
[20:40] <OrokuSaki> If I do that I can do a iwlist, but then network-manager stops to work... I would like to see if I can scan networks in the network manager
[20:41] <pmcgowan> awe_: you around ^^
[20:42] <awe_> yes
[20:43] <awe_> OrokuSaki, what device are you working with?
[20:44] <awe_> OrokuSaki, also have you looked at the syslog to see what's causing NetworkManager problems?
[20:45] <dank101> yi
[20:45] <dank101> *yo
[20:45] <OrokuSaki> atheros ath6kl
[20:45] <OrokuSaki> check syslog
[20:45] <awe_> what's the device ( eg. Galaxy Note, Nexus 10, ... )?
[20:46] <OrokuSaki> touchpad
[20:46] <dank101> ask the dev
[20:46] <awe_> OrokuSaki, as in "HP Touchpad"?
[20:46] <OrokuSaki> Mar  4 20:36:47 localhost dbus[39]: [system] Activated service 'fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1' failed: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct
[20:47] <OrokuSaki> Yeah.. "HP Touchpad"
[20:47] <awe_> OrokuSaki, you should checkout the porting guide, there's a note about making sure the partition is mounted without "nosetuid"
[20:47] <OrokuSaki> hmmm... I remember my fstab
[20:49] <OrokuSaki> Cool.. I added my fstab but never did a make clean or make clobber and redo
[20:49] <OrokuSaki> I guess that is it
[20:49] <hpsaturn> ogra_, I understand that. I installed and I have images in Nexus4
[20:50] <hpsaturn> I have curiosity to the output directory
[20:56] <OrokuSaki> So.. All my partitions except my sdcard and system are mounted with rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,barrier=1 etc etc
[20:56] <OrokuSaki> just checked the output of mount in android side
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> Some one have idea to make logcat work ?
[20:57] <OrokuSaki> Sup Tig.. =) thanks for the help yesterday
[20:57] <Tigrouzen> you need mount data withtout nosuid
[20:57] <OrokuSaki> [nm-supplicant-interface.c:897] interface_add_cb(): (wlan0): error adding interface: The permission of the setuid helper is not correct but yet /data is mounted with nosuid
[20:57] <OrokuSaki> oh
[20:58] <awe_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#suid
[20:59] <OrokuSaki> "/dev/store/cm-data /data/ubuntu/data ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,barrier=1,data=ordered,noauto_da_alloc 0 0"
[20:59] <OrokuSaki> that is what I have...
[20:59] <Tigrouzen> remoive nosuid
[20:59] <OrokuSaki> that is confusing =)
[21:00] <OrokuSaki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#suid they actually list nosuid
[21:00] <OrokuSaki> oh they list it twice
[21:00] <ogra_> you need to look at the lines starting with +
[21:00] <OrokuSaki> ahh
[21:00] <ogra_> the lines with - mean they are removed
[21:00] <OrokuSaki> I am needing sleep and beer
[21:01] <ogra_> lines with + are the added ones
[21:01] <awe_> ;)
[21:02] <bau> hi all, I just installed ubuntu touch on my nexus s, but my sim seems not working, why?
[21:02] <ogra_> bau, does it have a PIN ?
[21:03] <ogra_> only SIMs without PIN are supported currently
[21:03] <bau> ogra_, yes, but I disabled it
[21:05] <mibofra> a7x non ti piaceva il nome XD ?
[21:06] <mibofra> sorry XD I've changed channel XD
[21:06] <mibofra> sorry XD
[21:08] <OrokuSaki> The one thing that would have been nice for ubuntu to include in the porting guide is that bzr branch command to download those libraries
[21:08] <OrokuSaki> if you aren't in the repo
[21:11] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, thats explained in the launchpad pages fo rthe branches usually
[21:12] <KalleWhoever> Hi there
[21:13] <KalleWhoever> I'm trying to create something like a chroot-bootmanager from the android base
[21:14] <KalleWhoever> any tipps what could be changed for better support of all OS?
[21:15] <KalleWhoever> I'm currently reciving errors due to insufficient permissions
[21:17] <ogra_> KalleWhoever, how will you make that run on surfaceflinger (or later Mir) ?
[21:18] <ogra_> there is no X11
[21:18] <KalleWhoever> It has been proven that X11 can be run on Android devices
[21:19] <KalleWhoever> And I´d like to know what happens ;)
[21:19] <ogra_> just imnstall it then :)
[21:19] <ogra_> you will actually likely be able to run the unaccelerated xfbdev driver
[21:19] <KalleWhoever> That does not worl, already tried it :/
[21:20] <ogra_> but you will also rip out surfaceflinger from android
[21:20] <KalleWhoever> atleast not out of the box
[21:20] <ogra_> else the display is claimed
[21:20] <KalleWhoever> So android claims the display before chrooting?
[21:21] <KalleWhoever> hmmm
[21:21] <KalleWhoever> I flashed a ubuntu-core rootfs for armhf yesterday
[21:22] <KalleWhoever> and booted to openssh via wlan
[21:22] <KalleWhoever> xinput was returning the input from the touchscreen
[21:22] <ogra_> well, if you really want to run ubuntu on that device i would actually rip out the android layer completely and go for native
[21:23] <ogra_> then you will also be able to use xfbdev
[21:24] <KalleWhoever> hmmm
[21:24] <KalleWhoever> How about a lfs build with the android layer?
[21:24] <KalleWhoever> :D
[21:25] <KalleWhoever> remove surfaceflinge, add gcc glibc wirelesstools and a xserver
[21:26] <KalleWhoever> and get a strange new OS that could be build from CM 10.1
[21:26] <KalleWhoever> this could chroot into any given rootfs
[21:27] <KalleWhoever> and provide a Xserver to share
[21:28] <ogra_> why such effort, roll a proper kernel from the android source and use ubuntu-core as starting base
[21:36] <_Scott_> is this OS always going to rely on an android base?
[21:37] <KalleWhoever> I like the idea of turning every CM device into a normal linux device by helping with the Xserver, the network and the touch, instead of tinkering with the initrd and drivers for every new build
[21:37] <KalleWhoever> I dont think so.
[21:40] <KalleWhoever> Thanks for the input on the Xserver problem
[21:40] <KalleWhoever> see you
[21:42] <JoinTheRealms> Hey guys, Im looking to create a universel boot animation for ubuntu touch, how would this be implemented into ubuntu touch? does it use a desc file like android?
[21:45] <gt-i9001> hi, no one is adapting to the rom samsung galaxy s plus (GT-I9001)?
[21:46] <ogra_> JoinTheRealms, theoretically we use plymouth for boot animations, but with todays announced display server the whole world might change soon
[21:50] <gt-i9001> uff...i wont ubuntu on my sgs+ >.<
[21:51] <ogra_> gt-i9001, port it then, its not hard :)
[21:51] <ogra_> (not a beginner task, but also not very advanced)
[21:53] <gt-i9001> and now? nothing? i can't port it in my sgs+ ...
[21:58] <Guest26584> up guys
[21:59] <Tigrouzen> you try to port to x86 tablet
[22:00] <DanielHolm> hi all, where can I find the default icons for Ubuntu touch? will I have to sumply them myself in the app, or can I somehow reuse those in the OS like I can when writing GTK apps?
[22:05] <ogra_> they should all be CC licensed
[22:06] <DanielHolm> yeah, but where are they? haha
[22:06] <ogra_> i would guess in one of these trees launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview
[22:07] <DanielHolm> all try to find them, then. thanks
[22:08] <OrokuSaki> touchpad mounts partitions via init.rc
[22:09] <OrokuSaki> anyone know of a good tool to repackage my /system and my kernel to a .zip?
[22:09] <OrokuSaki> first time here.. update.zip manager?
[22:22] <salyangoz> hello
[22:40] <OrokuSaki> init: network-manager state changed from post-stop to waiting????
[22:41] <OrokuSaki> If I run ifconfig I get
[22:41] <OrokuSaki> Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output.
[22:41] <OrokuSaki> but if I mount proc inside of the chroot then the network-manager seems to crash
[22:42] <OrokuSaki> Question.. Should proc be mounted inside of the chroot?
[22:45] <OrokuSaki> If I have proc mounted inside of the chroot then this is my error in network-manager.log Could not daemonize: Permission denied [error 13]
[22:45] <OrokuSaki> hmmm
[22:51] <matge> boiko: can you give me some guidance on telepathy-python? I build a basic telepathy connection manager, and I already get messages sent from the clients. But how do I handle incoming messages? Seems like I first have to announce a new contact and then announce a new channel and then announce a new text?
[22:52] <OrokuSaki> I didn't realize I could ifconfig wlan0 up and iwlist without having a /proc mounted inside of chroot. =)
[22:53] <OrokuSaki> Anyone know how I can get the network-manager to see my wireless?
[22:54] <matge> try restarting network-manager, that did the trick for my usb0 interface
[22:54] <OrokuSaki> tried that one
[22:56] <OrokuSaki> Do you guys have /proc mounted inside your chroot?
[22:56] <OrokuSaki> Someone please answer that =)
[22:57] <ogra_> its not mounted by default when you chroot (like in any other chroot)
[22:57] <ogra_> dont forget to unmount it before exiting ... else it stays in your /etc/mtab
[22:58] <OrokuSaki> thanks ogra! just wondering if it *should* be.. I figure if you guys don't I shouldnt
[22:58] <OrokuSaki> what.. so it should be mounted then?
[22:58] <dank101> how long does it take for phablet-dev-bootstrap to download?
[22:58] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, some tools (top for example) need /proc ... if you run anything needing /proc, mount it manually
[22:58] <ogra_> dank101, its ~15G
[22:59] <dank101> orga_, ok 2 more hours
[22:59] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, but if you mounted it manually, also make sure to unmount it again
[23:00] <OrokuSaki> so confused.. I cannot use iwlist or ifconfig unless /proc is mounted inside... but if I do network-manager complains about permissions.. So.. I figure it should be in my fstab and given rights that are not root?
[23:00] <OrokuSaki> my proc mount?
[23:00] <dank101> tl;dr USE ADB ROOT OR SU
[23:01] <dank101> then retry :D
[23:01] <dank101> linux = if it doesn't work... use root
[23:02] <Tigrouzen> OrokuSaki,
[23:02] <OrokuSaki> Tig!
[23:02] <Tigrouzen> proc its mounted ?
[23:03] <OrokuSaki> by default, not inside of chroot...
[23:03] <OrokuSaki> I have to mount it manually, and when I do network-manager complains about permissions
[23:03] <OrokuSaki> cant daemonize
[23:03] <Tigrouzen> service -network-manager restart
[23:03] <Tigrouzen> service network-manager restart
[23:03] <dank101> su
[23:04] <dank101> service network-manager restart
[23:04] <dank101> :D
[23:04] <OrokuSaki> I am logged in as root already when I chroot
[23:04] <OrokuSaki> otherwise, yeah
[23:04] <dank101> oh ok
[23:04] <dank101> still
[23:04] <Tigrouzen> service udev restart
[23:05] <OrokuSaki> stop: Unknown instance:
[23:05] <OrokuSaki> everytime I restart it, it says it was never running
[23:05] <OrokuSaki> so it crashed
[23:05] <Tigrouzen> service  restartyou try to make wifi work ?
[23:05] <OrokuSaki> only when /proc is mounted inside of chroot
[23:05] <dank101> YAY
[23:06] <dank101> finished syncing
[23:06] <OrokuSaki> if proc is not mounted inside of chroot, then network manager will stay running, but never see my adapter
[23:06] <OrokuSaki> if proc is moutned inside of chroot, then I can do ifconfig, iwlist, but network-manager won't stay started
[23:06] <Tigrouzen> service module-init-tools restart
[23:06] <OrokuSaki> says it cant daemonize over permissions
[23:07] <OrokuSaki> stop: Unknown instance:  module-init-tools stop/waiting
[23:07] <OrokuSaki> it won't start now either with /proc mounted inside of chroot
[23:09] <Tigrouzen> mount -o proc proc/
[23:09] <OrokuSaki> hmm is there a proper way to mount /proc inside of the chroot?
[23:09] <Tigrouzen> oops
[23:09] <Tigrouzen> mount -o proc /proc
[23:10] <OrokuSaki> I was runing mount -t proc proc /proc;
[23:11] <OrokuSaki> What does your mtab look like regarding /proc?
[23:11] <OrokuSaki> inside of chroot
[23:11] <OrokuSaki> none /proc proc rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,proc 0 0
[23:11] <OrokuSaki> perhaps nosuid should be removed
[23:12] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, didnt we discuss that hours ago ?
[23:12] <Tigrouzen> ......
[23:12] <dank101> I started using CyanogenMod and got a girlfriend!
[23:12] <Tigrouzen> omg
[23:12] <OrokuSaki> lol.. yeah but that was for the partitions /data /system
[23:12] <OrokuSaki> I got past that
[23:12] <OrokuSaki> now its just proc
[23:12] <Tigrouzen> OrokuSaki, ^^
[23:12] <ogra_> ah, k
[23:13] <OrokuSaki> =)
[23:13] <OrokuSaki> I am not that dumb guys, come on
[23:13] <essentialz> hello, was wondering if someone can give me a hand on porting this to my device (HTC One S).
[23:13] <OrokuSaki> I wonder why pico cannot save in chroot while vi can
[23:14] <ali1234> OrokuSaki: i know the answer to that one
[23:14] <Tigrouzen> OrokuSaki, got a problem with wifi ?
[23:14] <OrokuSaki> I will give you.. uhh.. a token of my appreciation
[23:14] <OrokuSaki> yeah.. that is what I am working on
[23:14] <OrokuSaki> I know the module, firmware are good
[23:15] <ali1234> OrokuSaki: before running adb run "stty -icrnl -inlcr -igncr"
[23:15] <Tigrouzen> ok past ps dmesg and  adb pull /data/ubuntu/var/log/
[23:16] <OrokuSaki> k
[23:16] <Tigrouzen> OrokuSaki, you use kernel cm10.1 or early one ?
[23:16] <OrokuSaki> 2.6.35 jellybean
[23:16] <Tigrouzen> lol
[23:16] <OrokuSaki> yeah
[23:17] <OrokuSaki>  cool.. rebooted typed mount in chroot and I got none on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nodev,proc)
[23:17] <Tigrouzen> ok try load it in module
[23:17] <essentialz> a little new to this, but giving it a shot none the less... I'm at the part where i need to enable a new device. It ask me to add kernel and system to local manifest. But none exists in .repo.... only manifest.xml, should i create a file called local_manifest.xml?
[23:17] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, did you unmount before rebooting ?
[23:17] <OrokuSaki> Ihave the module load at boot
[23:17] <ali1234> essentialz: just put it in manifest.xml
[23:17] <OrokuSaki> no.. I decided to leave it in mtab so it would mount automatically, and without nosuid
[23:17] <OrokuSaki> is that okay?
[23:17] <Tigrouzen> and compiled way doesnt work to in kernel ?
[23:17] <ogra_> no
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> dang it
[23:18] <ogra_> it will just stick in mtab but not be mounted
[23:18] <essentialz> ali1234: thx.
[23:18] <ogra_> clean yoour mtab now
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> hmm but it is mounted
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> I rebooted, logged into chroot, ls /proc
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> its all there
[23:18] <Tigrouzen> ps mount
[23:18] <Tigrouzen> past mount ^^
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> really?
[23:18] <OrokuSaki> so all that stuff is old?
[23:19] <OrokuSaki> damn
[23:19] <OrokuSaki> okay clear out mtab
[23:19] <Tigrouzen> did you try config wifi=y or config wifi=m on kernel ??
[23:19] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, ls /proc/net/dev
[23:20] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, the last level wont be there
[23:20] <Tigrouzen> i mean of course your board wifi config name
[23:20] <ogra_> its just leftover from the reboot
[23:20] <ogra_> it could very well be that upstart wont work with your kernel though ... which means none of the daemons will be started/startable
[23:21] <OrokuSaki> CONFIG_WIRELESS=y
[23:21] <OrokuSaki> thanks ogra!
[23:21] <OrokuSaki> and tig.. as  usual =)
[23:21] <ogra_> did you set all the kernel options described in the porting gude ?
[23:21] <OrokuSaki> all except for fanotify
[23:21] <OrokuSaki> thats not in my kernel
[23:22] <ogra_> right, thats a feature upstart uses
[23:22] <OrokuSaki> think its affecting wifi?
[23:22] <ogra_> and 2.6.35 is pretty dusty already
[23:22] <ogra_> not wifi
[23:22] <ogra_> but daemons
[23:22] <ali1234> anyone got any non-ubuntu distros running on top of phablet yet?
[23:22] <OrokuSaki> krap
[23:22] <ogra_> like for example network-manager
[23:23] <OrokuSaki> which would make sense about my daemon permission if /proc is mounted?
[23:23] <ogra_> ali1234, that should be super trivial ... not sure what you would gain from it though
[23:23] <OrokuSaki> you guys know anyone around that?
[23:23] <ogra_> since nothing will be able to talk to surfaceflinger
[23:23] <ali1234> ogra_: well, wayland and systemd for one thing :P
[23:23] <ogra_> LOL
[23:23] <OrokuSaki> I mean.. not use network-manager... anything else? =)
[23:23] <ogra_> lennartOS, rigth
[23:23] <ogra_> t
[23:23] <ali1234> lennartOS vs shuttleworthOS
[23:24] <ali1234> this is what we have come to?
[23:24] <ogra_> ubuntu isnt shuttleworthOS
[23:24] <ali1234> and <whatever> isn't lennartOS
[23:24] <ogra_> mark didnt write much code in ubuntu :)
[23:24] <ogra_> while lennart owns redhats plumbing layer
[23:24] <OrokuSaki> perhaps fanotify can be backported.. got a buddy to backport ion and kgsl to 2.6.35
[23:25] <ogra_> i would tarher go with a newer kernel
[23:25] <ogra_> *rather
[23:25] <OrokuSaki> 3.0.8 is possible, but its not really finished
[23:25] <OrokuSaki> sound never worked on it
[23:25] <OrokuSaki> jcsullins is in charge of that kernel
[23:25] <ogra_> yeah, thats bad on a phone when wanting to make calls
[23:25] <essentialz> ali1234: does this look right:   <project path="kernel/HTC/ville" name="CyanogenMod/android_kernel_htc_msm8960" />   <project path="device/HTC/ville" name="CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_ville" />
[23:26] <OrokuSaki> I tried that kernel but had problems with egl and opengl
[23:26] <OrokuSaki> I have an idea.. one more question
[23:26] <rsalveti> argh, 2.6.35 is indeed very old
[23:26] <ali1234> essentialz: no, you need a couple of extra attributes
[23:26] <rsalveti> might cause some other issues with libc
[23:26] <ali1234> essentialz: you need to specify remote and branch
[23:26] <OrokuSaki> do get the display up I have to copy all my jellybean libs to /system/libs cp -R
[23:27] <rsalveti> actually, I believe we only had issues with older than 29
[23:27] <ali1234> if not using the default, which you are not
[23:27] <rsalveti> ogra_: lennartOS lol
[23:27] <ogra_> essentialz, you likely want to give it a revision too
[23:27] <OrokuSaki> after that I copy all the files from the ubuntu touch libs back to where they were
[23:27] <ogra_> essentialz, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting it has an example
[23:27] <OrokuSaki> so I merge the 2 lib folders with ubuntu libs over writing the jellybean ones
[23:28] <OrokuSaki> so there is a .so file I lack after I build
[23:28] <OrokuSaki> anyone know why?
[23:28] <OrokuSaki> =)
[23:28] <essentialz> ogra_: im there, let me see, i hadnt seen one
[23:28] <essentialz> ok
[23:28] <essentialz> i see
[23:31] <essentialz> ali1234: where do i specify remote and branch... i want to use cm10.1 branch
[23:31] <essentialz> cm-10.1*
[23:32] <ogra_> xnox, congrats, you just won the ureadahead  maintainer hat ! *g*
[23:33] <ogra_> (how did i know you would pick it up ... )
[23:33] <essentialz> do i just add "-b cm-10.1" to the end of "CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_ville"
[23:34] <RobbyF> man these daily builds become more snappy and such
[23:34] <ogra_> make your line just look like in the example
[23:34] <essentialz> ogra_: ok...thanks, I thought it was two seperate things you and ali1234 were mentioning
[23:37] <essentialz> <project path="kernel/HTC/ville" name="CyanogenMod/android_kernel_htc_msm8960" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/cm-10.1"/>   <project path="device/HTC/ville" name="CyanogenMod/android_device_htc_ville" remote="github" revision="refs/heads/cm-10.1"/>
[23:38] <essentialz> ok what about cm dependencies
[23:40] <essentialz> i see this in the cm dependencies... i notice one is for kernel. but also shows a device called msm8960-common
[23:43] <essentialz> hey sorry for all the questions... just want to try to get this right... I will try to continue with porting tut, if i run into anything ill let you know. thanks again
[23:48] <OrokuSaki> cool fanotify was introducted in 2.6.36
[23:56] <rsalveti> ricmm: so, are you finally landing the vpid stuff?
[23:57] <rsalveti> saw a new qtubuntu and platform api packages
[23:57] <xnox> ogra_: hehe. well.... i think slangasek did assume that I will start tinkering with ureadahead soon enough after getting my hands into libnih & upstart.
[23:57] <slangasek> heh, not explicitly
[23:57] <slangasek> but... enjoy ;p
[23:58] <xnox> slangasek: that sounds a lot like cjwatson's "but don't let this my comment I just made, stop you!"
[23:59] <slangasek> :-)
[23:59] <xnox> (insert proper english spelling, grammar and melodic irish accent)


[10:30] <RikMills> santa_: git repos and metadata updated to include kirigami-gallery and kipi-plugins
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:30] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[16:31] <santa_> RikMills: thanks for the metadata update
[16:32] <santa_> RikMills: regarding akonadi with mariadb case, I was waiting to test a number of things and give you a full report, but since mysql version which works is gone, I would say go ahead with the switch
[16:33] <santa_> I have been reading a bit about MySQL/MariaDB, and checked that, indeed neon and debian switched to mariadb, also the person who did the switch is also involved in the kdepim upstream development, so I hope this time they know what they are doing
[16:34] <RikMills> santa_: thanks. I do that in a bit then
[16:35] <santa_> I could reproduce the issue with new MySQL exactly in the way you said, it seems akonadi fails to start the MySQL thing according to the logs
[16:35] <santa_> I haven't figured out why though
[16:38] <santa_> RikMills: just for the record I haven't tested anything with MariaDB yet, but I plan to do so before this cycle ends
[16:38] <santa_> hmm, and we have a new plasma version
[16:38] <RikMills> good. as I don't use it, testing with any type of real world db is hard for me
[16:39] <RikMills> plasma is building in staging
[16:39] <santa_> no prob, I use it myself, but only @ LTS
[16:39] <santa_> no problem in doing some testing with VM's
[16:39] <RikMills> if plasma builds ok, I'll upload to Eoan later
[16:40] <RikMills> final bugfix release should be straight forward
[16:40] <santa_> ok, nice time to do a test rebuild of everything again
[16:40]  * RikMills nods
[16:41] <santa_> since you are here, there's a small change in KA I wanted to discuss with you
[16:41] <RikMills> apps 19.08.1 is also building in ppa
[16:41] <RikMills> ok
[16:41] <santa_> the thing is, for a long time we had a slightly shoddy thing in KA which I never had time to fix til now
[16:42] <santa_> ubuntu_info.py
[16:42] <santa_> it has an embedded map which changes "dinamically"
[16:42] <santa_> which is an utter disrespect for the design priciples of the new tooling XD
[16:43] <santa_> so I'm going to push something to ka-metadata and explain that something, are you ok with that? do you have any pending unpushed work for ka-metadata?
[16:44] <RikMills> nope. all push for now
[16:44] <RikMills> *pushed
[16:44] <santa_> ok, let me push then
[16:46] <santa_> ok, in the master branch there should be an ubuntu-release-info.json
[16:47] <santa_> this file would contain in the future that map, so it won't be hardcoded anymore AND
[16:47] <santa_> another map with special values
[16:48] <santa_> so this way we would be able to have something like kubuntu_:ubuntu-devel:_archive for the default branch
[16:48] <RikMills> ok. so change there only
[16:48] <santa_> I didn't make the code changes yet, because I wanted to know if you have any criricism to make about this move
[16:49] <santa_> yeah, the idea is changing the json file only
[16:50] <santa_> so this way it won't be needed to make a point release each and everytime there is a new ubuntu version
[16:50] <RikMills> I don't think so. one config file change vs having to grep all ka to find stuff to change seems sensible
[16:51] <santa_> ok, whenever I can I will make the code changes for 2.3, if anything wrong we can always revert the thing
[16:51] <RikMills> ok :)