[11:19] <abogani> rtg: Hi Tim, sorry to bother you. Is it a well-done SRU bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/229499 ?
[14:54] <TheMuso> .c
[16:19] <mcella_> We're backporting kvm-68 from intrepid to hardy since we're experiencing some problems with stock kvm (62) in hardy
[16:20] <mcella_> I've got three packages, kvm, kvm-data and kvm-source
[16:21] <mcella_> the stock hardy kernel installs kvm modules inside /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/kernel/arch/x86/kvm
[16:21] <mcella_> what's the proper way to upgrade these modules to a new kvm release?
[16:22] <mcella_> here /usr/share/doc/kvm/README.Debian it's suggested to use module-assistant auto-install
[16:22] <mcella_> I've done it and got a new kvm-modules-2.6.24-16-server package
[16:23] <mcella_> but this package installs kvm modules in /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/misc
[16:23] <mcella_> so modprobe -l | grep kvm gives me the old modules
[16:23] <mcella_> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko
[16:23] <mcella_> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko
[16:23] <mcella_> /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm.ko
[16:26] <rtg_> mcella_: try installing them in  /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-server/updates. the depmod order is controlled by /etc/depmod.d/ubuntu.conf
[16:26] <mcella_> is there a way I can tell module assistant where to install them?
[16:27] <mcella_> rtg_: tnx btw
[16:27] <rtg_> mcella_: dunno, I've never used module assistant.
[16:27] <mcella_> ok, tnx
[16:27] <rtg_> soren: ^^^
[16:28] <munckfish> Hi. I need some advice - I'm working on the PS3 Port, I've sent a couple of messages to the kernel team mailing list recently but no one is talking back. Can anyone tell me what if anything I'm doing wrong or could do get dialog started?
[16:28] <rtg_> munckfish: I keep thinking BenC will reply. He's the ps3 dude.
[16:28] <munckfish> rtg_: worth pestering him direct then? ok
[16:29]  * BenC is here, but on call right now
[16:29] <munckfish> BenC: ok I am around just ping when you have a moment
[16:29] <mcella_> rtg_: what about make-kpkg?
[16:31] <rtg_> mcella_: uh, what about it? Are you thinking it has options for where to direct the installation of the kvm modules?
[16:31] <mcella_> dunno, just noticed it inside kvm readme
[16:32] <mcella_>  - Using the make-kpkg(1) command provided by the kernel-package Debian
[16:32] <mcella_>    package. This will produce a corresponding kvm-modules package for
[16:32] <mcella_>    the Debian kernel-image package that you are using. This is "the Debian
[16:32] <mcella_>    way". See the "modules_image" section of the make-kpkg(1) man page.
[16:32] <mcella_> someone told me in ubuntu-virt that today Soren is on holiday
[16:33] <mcella_> I will try to catch with him tomorrow maybe :-)
[16:33] <rtg_> mcella_: your best bet is to get soren's attention. I get all of the kvm updates from him.
[16:33] <mcella_> ok, tnx a lot anyway
[18:53] <lacostej_> Is there a channel where I can get kernel help ? I've been (sporadically) on #ubuntu for 4 weeks and noone seems to be able to help me investigate bug #216927. It's actually happening right now: my keyboard and mouse are stuck, and firefox is stuck switching tabs indefinitely (causing 100% CPU on the machine).
[19:04] <lacostej_> If someone knows if there's a Hardy kernel with kgdb backported, feel free to post that information on the aforementionned issue page. (and sorry for bothering this channel)


[09:46] <klattimer> kenvandine: did the tomboy fix get released properly or is it still stuck in proposed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/660525 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/627744
[14:20] <tedg> kenvandine, So what is a flickr account supposed to do in Gwibber?  I would have thought it'd show me when my contacts post photos...
[14:20] <kenvandine> exactly that
[14:20] <kenvandine> i assume it isn't working...
[14:23] <kenvandine> sigh
[14:24] <kenvandine> tedg, what version of flickr are you using?
[14:24] <kenvandine> whoops
[14:24] <kenvandine> gwibber that is
[14:24] <tedg> kenvandine, What ever is in Maverick.
[14:24] <kenvandine> that is what i was afraid of
[14:24] <kenvandine> wtf
[14:24] <tedg> kenvandine, <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:25] <tedg> kenvandine, It's never done anything for me though.  I'm not sure if I have it all working right...
[14:25] <kenvandine> working in my stock maverick VM
[14:25] <kenvandine> but not on my laptop
[14:25] <kenvandine> which is trunk... so was hoping it was just broken in trunk
[14:26] <kenvandine> latest photo in my VM is 2 weeks ago, but flickr says i have friends that posted just a couple days ago
[14:27] <kenvandine> tedg, do you have a flickr icon in the treeview on the left hand side?
[14:27] <tedg> kenvandine, No
[14:27] <kenvandine> ok, same on my laptop, but i do in my VM
[14:28] <kenvandine> well at least i reproduced the problem :)
[14:28] <kenvandine> tedg, mind filing a bug?
[14:29] <tedg> kenvandine, Sure, not quite sure what to say :)  "Flickr is broke-like" :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> i'll understand it... and i'll fix it quickly :)
[14:43] <tedg> kenvandine, bug 670412
[14:43] <kenvandine> thx
[14:57] <kenvandine> tedg, please run this for me
[14:57] <kenvandine> echo 'select count(*) from messages where service = "flickr";' | sqlite3 ~/.config/gwibber/gwibber.sqlite
[14:58] <tedg> kenvandine, 0
[14:58] <zapvandijk> hi, i had a question regarding application idicators - do these work only for gnome? has any thought been given of how it would work with tiling window managers like i3?
[14:59] <tedg> zapvandijk, They mostly work in the panel -- so I'm not sure how a tilling window manager would effect them if you still had a panel.
[15:00] <kenvandine> tedg, humm, and your flickr account has been setup for a while?
[15:00] <zapvandijk> tedg, ah, i see - i thought the app indicators were on the window - for some reason i thought that the indicators were window-local
[15:00] <kenvandine> tedg, also can you confirm you have friends on your flickr account that have posted images relatively recently?
[15:00] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah, I don't know how long... a while.
[15:00] <kenvandine> i can't reproduce it in the maverick version... but did find a bug in trunk
[15:01] <tedg> kenvandine, They come up on the flickr website.  TheDoctor is a contact and he just posted UDS Orlando stuff.
[15:01] <kenvandine> and you put in the same username?
[15:01] <tedg> kenvandine, Yes
[15:01] <zapvandijk> this links (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/Windicators) says that - windicators, are menus that appear at the trailing end of a window?s title bar, or in the panel when the window is maximized.
[15:01] <kenvandine> one problem i just found is if it fails, it fails completely silently
[15:02] <tedg> kenvandine, Hmm, so maybe it's failing and I don't know...
[15:02] <kenvandine> so i could see if you had a typo in the username or something
[15:02] <kenvandine> it would just return no results
[15:02] <tedg> zapvandijk, Windicators is a concept that hasn't been implemented.  We hope it can use a similar API to Application Indicators, but they're not really the same.
[15:02] <kenvandine> tedg, try removing the account and adding it again
[15:03] <tedg> kenvandine, k
[15:03]  * kenvandine is adding some error handling to that plugin :)
[15:03] <kenvandine> returning an empty list on failure is just not cool!
[15:04] <tedg> kenvandine, Still not seeing anything.  Could it be because I have a Yahoo! account connected to Flickr (after they got bought) and it's not an "official" flickr account?
[15:04] <kenvandine> don't think so
[15:05] <kenvandine> also... you shouldn't see the account in the tree
[15:05] <kenvandine> but you should see the photos in the images stream
[15:05] <tedg> kenvandine, Then how do I filter to see only stuff from that account?
[15:05] <kenvandine> you can't :)
[15:05] <kenvandine> you could before maverick...
[15:06] <kenvandine> the idea is i want to get image viewing out of the gwibber client
[15:06] <kenvandine> so you get "Photos" count in the messaging menu
[15:06] <tedg> Hmm, then I'm not sure how to test it.  My 100 messages in the stream only goes back 4 hours.
[15:06] <kenvandine> and when you click it you open shotwell to that stream
[15:06] <kenvandine> ah... that is a lot of images!
[15:07] <tedg> That'd be cool.  It'd still be nice to get thumbnails in the stream though.
[15:07] <kenvandine> so run that sqlite query again
[15:07] <kenvandine> and make sure you force a refresh first
[15:08] <tedg> Still don't have anything, but I can't really tell if it's done refreshing.
[15:08] <kenvandine> ah.. appmenu?
[15:09] <kenvandine> using appmenus hides our progress spinner
[15:09] <tedg> Yes, of course I have appmenu :)
[15:09] <kenvandine> :)
[15:10] <kenvandine> sticking the spinner in the menu was cool for saving space... but appmenu doesn't support that :)
[15:11] <zapvandijk> tedg, thanks - that makes sense.  do you know if the menubar (File, Edit, View, etc) will also be moved to maximize screen space?
[15:11] <tedg> zapvandijk, yes, they'll appear in the panel instead of individual windows.
[15:13] <kenvandine> tedg, flickr count still 0?
[15:13] <zapvandijk> tedg, :) wow that's just like the mac!  i was assuming it would be like chrome with a window indicator on the right side of each window
[15:14] <tedg> kenvandine, Yup :-/
[15:14] <tedg> kenvandine, It didn't ask me for a password... is that expected?
[15:14] <kenvandine> right
[15:14] <kenvandine> no auth
[15:14] <kenvandine> it is just the public stream
[15:14] <kenvandine> maybe that is the problem?
[15:14] <tedg> zapvandijk, Heh, yes it is similar to the Mac in that regard.  Hiding all the menus in a button just...well... hides all the menus :)
[15:14] <kenvandine> not public?
[15:14] <tedg> kenvandine, I don't think so, I think TheDoctor's photos are public.
[15:15] <kenvandine> but i wonder if your stream is
[15:15] <kenvandine> what is your screenname?
[15:15] <tedg> gouldtj
[15:16] <kenvandine> ah... humm
[15:16] <kenvandine> i get an oops page
[15:16] <kenvandine> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gouldtj
[15:16] <kenvandine> i guess we need some guide text in the accounts dialog explaining it is your public stream
[15:17] <tedg> kenvandine, I don't want *my* public stream, I want my contacts stream, right?
[15:17] <kenvandine> well the public stream is that
[15:18] <tedg> Ah, okay.
[15:18]  * tedg has never uploaded a photo to Flickr before
[15:18] <kenvandine> flickr.photos.getContactsPublicPhotos
[15:18] <kenvandine> is the API we call
[15:18] <kenvandine> i actually want to expand the flickr plugin to support private and posting
[15:18] <kenvandine> but that is below a ton of other things on my todo list :)
[15:19] <tedg> I don't use Flickr much, but that's mostly because I don't have a client.  I'd *like* to use it more.
[15:20] <tedg> So I can't say it's a priority -- but it might make my life better :)
[15:21] <kenvandine> tedg, good... :(
[15:21] <kenvandine> :)
[15:21] <kenvandine> i am hoping we can get shotwell as a client, just using libgwibber for access
[15:39] <lamalex> didrocks, Can I rename the title of https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/632526 to something more of a problem statement than a solution, and mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/617483 as a duplicate?
[15:40] <lamalex> didrocks, I'm more asking *should* I, than can I
[15:41] <didrocks> lamalex: sure, go ahead, just keep the solution in the text though
[15:41] <lamalex> didrocks, well the solution is more for the design team to decide on, but I will not edit the content of the report, just the title
[15:43] <lamalex> didrocks, "File and application names in Dash become elipsized too quickly and are unreadable" ok title?
[15:43] <didrocks> lamalex: the solution came after designer discussion in fact, hence the title
[15:44] <didrocks> lamalex: it's in "places", but apart from that, ok :)
[15:44] <seb128> lamalex, better to have key words early in the title
[15:45] <lamalex> places and elipsized aren't good keywords?
[15:45] <seb128> you will often have bug titles only partially display in bug lists, etc
[15:45] <seb128> they are
[15:45] <seb128> but "File and application names in Dash become" is probably enough to have those not displayed
[15:46] <seb128> usually better to the start the other way
[15:46] <seb128> like "the place elipsizing leads to..."
[15:46] <seb128> ie something which tell you what the bug about reading the first 25 chars
[15:47] <lamalex> seb128, Places elipsizes file and application name too soon, making them unreadable
[15:47] <lamalex> names*
[15:48] <seb128> seems better ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> well I'm just doing some comments, take what you want from those
[15:49] <seb128> just keep in mind that title can be shortened in bugs lists etc and it's nice to know what the bug is about without having to open the webpage to get the title
[15:53] <lamalex> seb128, yeah
[15:53] <lamalex> i think the keywords there are all in the front
[15:54] <lamalex> thanks for the tips
[16:47] <lamalex> davidbarth, ;)
[16:48] <lamalex> davidbarth, so I'm looking at the indicators for tarmac, and there are .. a ton of different lp: projects, some of which I don't think we want tarmac for
[16:49] <dbarth> woohoo
[16:49] <didrocks> \o/ dbarth
[16:49] <dbarth> lamalex: right
[16:50] <lamalex> davidbarth, the list which I'm building from https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers is: -sound, -application, libindicator,  -me, -appmenu, -messages, -applet, -session, libindicate,
[16:50] <dbarth> lamalex: the critical ones for now are probably dbusmenu, libindicator (tedg wanted to start with this one i think) libappindicator
[16:50] <dbarth> lamalex: and for the indicators themselves
[16:50] <dbarth> lamalex: sound will be the first to do the jump
[16:50] <dbarth> ronoc: ;)
[16:51] <lamalex> ah, dbusmenu! hm I guess that's not run by indicator applet developers
[16:51] <dbarth> and appmenu is probably next after that
[16:52] <lamalex> dbarth, what about libindicate
[17:02] <tedg> lamalex, You can look at http://launchpad.net/ayatana for a list of all the projects
[17:03] <lamalex> ha, long list :P
[17:03] <lamalex> what is upanel?
[17:03] <lamalex> is that .. the unity panel?
[17:04]  * lamalex reads
[17:04] <lamalex> no
[17:04] <lamalex> see, ones like that don't really need tarmac set up because they're not really projects, am I right?
[17:08] <tedg> lamalex, Well, upanel was supposed to be a very light indicator loader.  For things like 2d on ARM boards.
[17:08] <tedg> lamalex, It works okay right now, but it needs a GTK patch for right align before it'll really work.
[17:08] <lamalex> ok
[18:22] <Technoviking> afternoon all
[18:23] <Technoviking> is there a place to gran a copy of the universal header?
[18:23] <Technoviking> for Ubuntu webpages?
[18:28] <nigelb> Technoviking: #ubuntu-website :)
[18:32] <tedg> klattimer, Did you ever find anything about your indicator-appmenu memory bug?  I don't see any lost timers :-/
[18:32] <klattimer> tedg: nope :/
[18:33] <klattimer> just that today it hit 8% of 2Gb and I thought, hmm, wonder how ted's doing finding that loose timer
[18:33] <tedg> klattimer, The only timer is the registration one, and it'd put a bunch of info in your ~/.cache/indicator-applet-appmenu.log if it was unhappy.
[18:33] <klattimer> is there any chance the timer is getting started twice
[18:33] <klattimer> ?
[18:33] <klattimer> tedg: just checked top
[18:33] <klattimer> and i'm at 7% of 2Gb
[18:34] <klattimer> so that's nearly 200Mb
[18:34] <klattimer> cannot be right!
[18:34] <tedg> klattimer, It's in _init() so it seems very unlikely it's being started twice...
[18:34] <klattimer> tedg: is it possible that it's in bamf?
[18:35] <klattimer> I have a bunch of failed lookups from bamf in my log file
[18:35] <klattimer> that's about it
[18:35] <tedg> klattimer, Possible.  But, I don't know as much about that :)
[18:35] <klattimer> do you have a bug report?
[18:35] <klattimer> I'll file one if you like
[18:35] <klattimer> as I'm the one experiencing it
[18:35] <klattimer> also, this is on gnome panel, maybe there's an issue with the panel applet?
[18:36] <tedg> klattimer, Sure.  Can you do a "killall indicator-applet-appmenu ; valgrind /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader /usr/lib/indicators/3/libappmenu.so" and see if that finds anything first?  Note: Do not interact with the window, bad focus things will happen :)
[18:36] <klattimer> tedg: actually it's the applet process which is growing
[18:36] <tedg> klattimer, Possible, but it doesn't do very much.
[18:37] <tedg> Yeah, but the .so is loaded into the applet -- so it's likely in the .so.
[18:38] <klattimer> tedg: ^^ above line
[18:38] <klattimer> indicators/3/...
[18:38] <klattimer> not 4
[18:38] <klattimer> :)
[18:38] <tedg> Oh, forgot the bump there.
[18:38] <klattimer> also, /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader <-- not found
[18:39] <seb128> you can get the memory use detail for the process in gnome-system-monitor for example
[18:39] <seb128> it should tell you what .so is using a lot
[18:39] <tedg> klattimer, apt-get install libindicator-tools
[18:41] <klattimer> tedg running now
[18:42] <klattimer> tedg: should the window change when I change focus?
[18:42] <klattimer> or is it meant to be showing a 0px application window?
[18:50] <tedg> klattimer, It should change menus.
[18:51] <tedg> klattimer, It might not get the well-known-name if you've got the applet still running.
[19:39] <klattimer> tedg: other applet killed but no menus ever showed up
[19:39] <klattimer> also, only 118 bytes lost after an hour
[19:39] <klattimer> so that doesn't seem to be a realistic test
[19:41] <tedg> klattimer, :(  I'm surprised no menus ever showed up though.
[19:41] <tedg> Anything on the command line about it?
[19:42] <klattimer> tedg: nothing output
[19:42] <klattimer> oh hang on
[19:42] <klattimer> ok, I think that was my bad
[19:43] <klattimer> I still had the 3 in the command line
[19:43] <klattimer> gngngngng
[19:43] <klattimer> never mind, rerunning now, but still doesn't show any actual menus
[19:43] <klattimer> oh, menu's have now started showing up
[19:43] <klattimer> :D
[19:43] <klattimer> all is good
[19:43] <tedg> Now I'm a little concerned that it lost 118 without loading an indicator....
[19:52] <Technoviking> Do people think it would be ok to use the Dark Purple #2c001e instead on the warm grey #aea79f for the one menu in the forums
[19:52] <Technoviking> it is much easier to read
[19:53] <jcastro> klattimer: heya, if you have time, don't forget about deluge indicator please. :)
[19:56] <tedg> Technoviking, Not sure on the requirements there, perhaps the people in #ubuntu-website would know more?
[20:23] <klattimer> jcastro: I'll keep it in mind, ibus has been kicking my ass
[20:23] <klattimer> is this a personal request?
[20:23] <klattimer> :)
[20:30] <jcastro> klattimer: more of a "upstream has been hoping for us to get something to them for a while now" kind of request
[20:30] <jcastro> and yeah, I also use it. :D
[20:32] <DanRabbit> jcastro: what are we using?
[20:34] <jcastro> DanRabbit: I'm talking about an appindicator for deluge
[20:34] <DanRabbit> jcastro: oh I see
[20:36] <klattimer> jcastro: I'll see what I can do, sense left it mostly done afaik
[20:37] <klattimer> and a break from ibus would be nice
[20:37] <jcastro> klattimer: right, I was counting on the fact that this one won't motivate you to kill yourself and it'd be a good break. :D
[20:37] <jcastro> klattimer: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg04090.html
[20:38] <jcastro> klattimer: I think an indicator one from you about every other week would be a good idea
[20:38] <jcastro> just a report on how things are going, what you need help testing, etc.
[21:05] <lamalex> tedg, where does dbus-test-runner come from?
[21:05] <lamalex> I'm trying to run make check on dbusmenu but it fails with a missing dbus-test-runner
[21:05] <lamalex> another project?
[21:05] <lamalex> nm, I googled :P
[21:08] <tedg> lamalex, Yeah, it's a little tricky to find.
[21:08] <tedg> kenvandine, Do you have on your TODO list to get dbus-test-runner into the archive?
[21:09] <kenvandine> yes
[21:10] <kenvandine> tedg, might be good to file a bug and assign it to me though :)
[21:12] <tedg> kenvandine, Where do new packaging bugs go?  On ubuntu?
[21:13] <kenvandine> same as always ?
[21:13] <kenvandine> oh
[21:13] <kenvandine> humm
[21:13] <kenvandine> file it against something that needs it
[21:13] <kenvandine> and once the package exists i'll switch it
[21:15] <lamalex> tedg, I'm setting up tarmac for indicator stuff, you're going to see a lot of lp spam from me. Sorry
[21:16] <tedg> lamalex, No issue.  Thanks for doing it!  :)
[21:16] <tedg> kenvandine, bug 670632
[21:16] <kenvandine> thx
[21:16] <kenvandine> lamalex, good stuff!
[21:16] <lamalex> just needs uploading though right? There's already packaging and stuff
[21:17] <tedg> lamalex, Well, usually the distro team likes to make the packaging good rather than "ted quality" ;)
[21:17] <kenvandine> hehe
[21:17] <lamalex> haha
[21:17]  * kenvandine wasn't going to say that :)
[21:17] <kenvandine> tedg, like the copyright file... people care about that :)
[21:17]  * kenvandine thinks it is a little silly
[21:18] <tedg> kenvandine, The debian guys have some new automatic format for it.  They changed a bunch of packages.
[21:18] <tedg> kenvandine, Actually I think davidm was the one pushing for that.  He had to do a license audit for a customer at some point, and decided we really need a machine readable format :)
[21:22] <lamalex> hmm, so i dont understand these tests. lots of gassertions are failing, can the tests fail?
[21:23] <lamalex> tedg, ^
[21:24] <tedg> lamalex, Hmm, no, that'd be bad.
[21:24] <lamalex> hah
[21:24] <tedg> lamalex, In dbusmenu right?
[21:24] <lamalex> tedg, yes
[21:25] <tedg> lamalex, hmm, pastebinit?
[21:26] <lamalex> the tests are passing, but lots of errors/warning about assertions failing
[21:26] <lamalex> a lot to pastebin, hold on let me dump it into a file
[21:26] <tedg> lamalex, Oh, warnings, those are fine.
[21:26] <tedg> lamalex, There are a bunch that are useful if you're doing an app (like can't connect) but for the tests they're kinda stupid.
[21:26] <lamalex> how do you make a test fail?
[21:27] <lamalex> I want to make sure that this does the right then when the tests dont pass
[21:27] <tedg> I don't know, I only write perfect code :)
[21:27] <tedg> Look at the proxy test and remove one of the proxies.
[21:27] <lamalex> hah
[21:36] <lamalex> tedg, will returning 0 from test-glib-proxy-client be the same as a test failure?
[21:36] <tedg> lamalex, No, returning a 1 should be a failure.
[21:36] <lamalex> right
[21:36] <lamalex> that's what I meant
[21:36] <lamalex> but I was looking at a 0
[21:39] <lamalex> hmm it just causes a hang :\
[21:40] <tedg> lamalex, Hmm, the timeouts in that test may be longer.
[21:41] <lamalex> ok ill just wait and see it it keeps going
[21:50] <lamalex> tedg, I can't get these tests to fail, I think you're doing something wrong..
[21:55] <tedg> lamalex, :(  That sucks.  They've failed before :)
[21:56] <tedg> lamalex, My fault...
[21:57] <tedg> lamalex, The proxies are calling dbus-test-runner with "--ignore-return"
[21:57] <lamalex> ha
[21:57] <tedg> lamalex, I gave you bad test to play with, sorry.
[21:57] <lamalex> that explains that
[21:57] <lamalex> why would you have them doing ignore return
[21:58] <tedg> lamalex, For instance if you want to reuse a binary that would fail, but you don't care.
[21:58] <tedg> Also, the test-runner won't block waiting on the return value of processes that it doesn't care about.
[21:59] <lamalex> so what do I do to have the tests legitimately run, take that out? That's not so good for automated branch landing
[21:59] <tedg> That is legit.  The person doing the check is the client, it's just ignoring the returns of the proxies.
[22:00] <lamalex> Ok, I want to force failure- what do I do
[22:00] <tedg> lamalex, You could tell dbus-test-runner to --invert-return
[22:01] <lamalex> tedg, what about in the case of legitimate failure, will this actually fail if a test fails? (although I don't understand how a test fails)
[22:01] <tedg> lamalex, Hey, I need to run.  Drop me an e-mail and I'll try to answer it tonight.  I'm traveling tomorrow so I probably won't get to anything from tomorrow until the evening as well :-/
[22:02] <lamalex> ok ill send on right now- if you can do it before you leave i'd appreciate it
[22:02] <tedg> lamalex, Do a make test-glib-proxy and then vi test-glib-proxy and you can see how the command line is setup.
[22:02] <tedg> Will do.  'night!


[00:55] <nigelbabu> our crazy review queue is up to 143 bugs
[00:55] <nigelbabu> and I was worried about running out of bugs for patch day
[00:57] <persia> We'll never run out: we might catch up, but we can trust other folks to always give us more.
[02:14] <nhandler> nigelbabu: I am interested in seeing what happens after the maverick repos open up. We will get a lot of uploads as well as a lot of submitted patches
[13:11] <nigelbabu> nhandler: yes, it might be *very* interesting
[13:11] <persia> I think the lucid release is likely more a factor than maverick open, in terms of patch submission.
[13:13] <nigelbabu> yes, but maverick being open gets us the change to integrate in a lot of pachtes
[13:13] <nigelbabu> *patches
[13:14] <nigelbabu> btw, I'm trying to get a review page similar to the sponsorship overview
[13:14] <persia> How do you mean "trying"?
[13:14] <persia> Do you just need hosting?
[13:15] <persia> Or are you still fiddling with code?
[13:15] <nigelbabu> starting to fiddle with code
[13:15] <nigelbabu> my people.ubuntu stuff sould be okay for hosting
[13:16] <persia> OK.  Hosting is fairly easy, and I know several ways to do that :)
[13:16] <persia> people.ubuntu.com can't run code: only host static stuff.
[13:16] <nigelbabu> or I can convince brian to put it up
[13:17] <nigelbabu> I thought the python gave out an html page
[13:17] <persia> It does, but you want to run the python every couple minutes.
[13:18] <persia> Personally, I think the sponsorship report has less functionality than custom LP lists.
[13:18] <nigelbabu> oh yeah.  well, let me get there first :)
[13:18] <nigelbabu> well, it does keep out multiple copies of smae bug
[13:18] <persia> The main reason I support it is that there are multiple groups of developers who need different sponsors lists, and I agree that those submitting sponsor requests shouldn't have to know who to subscribe.
[13:18] <persia> I don't think we need that for reviewers.
[13:20] <nigelbabu> Why I'm looking to an overview page is to avoid the complex queries and just point a page to show what needs to be reviewed.
[13:20] <persia> How does it differ from the queries?
[13:20] <nigelbabu> Its similar for newer folks
[13:20] <persia> It's trivial to hide static queries behind nice pretty links.
[13:20] <nigelbabu> /similar/simpler
[13:20] <persia> How?
[13:21] <nigelbabu> I wanted a way to keep track of patch-fowarded-upstream where the upstream bug is closed
[13:21] <nigelbabu> and a coupla other use cases
[13:21] <persia> Ah, so the report would actually categorize stuff, etc.
[13:22] <nigelbabu> yes
[13:22] <persia> Whereas with LP all we can do is produce lists, but not an overview.
[13:22] <nigelbabu> hence the *starting* to fiddle with code
[13:22] <persia> OK.  Please focus on making it a nice report/set of reports that tells us what is where, rather than on making it a landing page for reviewers to work from.
[13:23]  * persia believes any non-realtime report is inherently broken as a worklist
[13:23] <nigelbabu> In that case can you help me write down goals?
[13:23] <nigelbabu> Its more of a summary to look at
[13:24]  * persia should learn to be less expressive in the hopes of one day establishing a manageable activity list
[13:24] <nigelbabu> hehe :)
[13:28] <persia> Initial thoughts would be a summary overview of how many bugs are in which (descriptive) state based on analysis of tags (which is more than just raw tag count, which we can get easily from LP).
[13:29] <persia> It would probably be interesting to produce a copy of this daily so we could later compare:analyse.  Maybe have the script generate a date-marked (e.g. filename) machine-readable set of data, and have another script that makes that pretty.
[13:30] <persia> I believe most of the worklists *should* be able to be hidden behind URLs: I'm happy to toss that on the front page of qa.ubuntuwire.com instead of the current patch links, and they could also be put on the report.
[13:31] <persia> If there exists a workqueue that can't be generated with an LP URL (like "bugs submitted upstream where the upstream task is closed"), then maybe generate worklists there (although I think this needs to update frequently).
[13:32] <nigelbabu> So, something in the likes of a list of bugs with each status.
[13:33] <persia> Note that in the case of patches-submitted-elsewhere-and-relevant-bugs-closed we need to differentiate between closures that imply patch acceptance and closures that imply patch rejection.  If we find that the algorithm manages to differentiate these successfully with no false positives, we can probably drop the workqueue lists, and instead have the script just mark for acceptance or rejection.
[13:33] <persia> I don't think the lists of bugs with each status is useful *except* if we define a workqueue that can't be searched in LP.
[13:33] <persia> Or rather, can't be defined with a URL.
[13:34] <persia> (so it requires API to develop it).
[13:34] <persia> That said, I think the right way to determine which workqueues to generate should be to try to figure out a set of bugs that has a known correct action (e.g. patch-submitted-upstream -> patch-accepted-upstream).
[13:34] <nigelbabu> i.e. a point where we might have to work on it.
[13:35] <persia> And then use the workqueues as tools to improve the algorithm with an eye towards automation.
[13:35] <nigelbabu> +1
[13:35] <persia> Note that this is *very* different than how the sponsors report works, although the sponsors report code may be a useful example to base some of the analysis upon.
[13:36] <nigelbabu> its just base code so that I dont have to do the initial ground work
[13:38] <nigelbabu> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/7a7QjBIyuq
[13:38] <nigelbabu> I'm working on a rough cut of what needs to be done
[13:43] <persia> Makes sense.
[13:43] <persia> I'd probably try to focus on patch states, rather than which tags happen to be present.
[13:44] <persia> So "How many bugs are currently waiting for upstream comment?" is an interesting metric.
[13:44] <nigelbabu> ah, that way
[13:44] <persia> And fot athat, I'd want to count patch-submitted-upstream AND NOT patch-accepted-upstream or patch-rejected-upstream.  The docs say that we're supposed to replace the tags, but I'm not confident everyone follows docs well.
[13:45] <nigelbabu> So, we don't use the tags at all in the reports.
[13:51] <persia> I don't think it's worthwhile to expose the actual tags.
[13:51] <nigelbabu> I agree
[13:51] <persia> That just leads to rough human estimates of interesting values by comparing the numbers.
[13:51] <persia> If we're doing computational analysis, we can provide more interesting interpretation
[13:56] <nigelbabu> Now, I remember why I hated hacking on LP API
[13:57] <nigelbabu> Poor documentation.
[14:16] <persia> nigelbabu: On (a)(ii): the analysis should be done for each bug, rather than doing arithmetic on the counts (you may already know this, but it wasn't clear to me from etherpad)
[14:17] <persia> nigelbabu: I think it's also interesting to look at the total number of bugs that would be in the review queue if there wasn't a date restriction (so apply the same filters (excepting the date filter) as the script)
[14:18] <nigelbabu> persia: I did know about (a)(ii)
[14:18] <nigelbabu> and total number is already ready :)
[14:18] <nigelbabu> I'm planning to take numbers using brian's script from the graphs
[14:19] <persia> Do we have total numbers with the filters (sponsors, kernel, etc.)?
[14:20] <nigelbabu> ah
[14:21] <persia> My rough estimate is that we'd get down to ~1500 with the filter, but that's a complete guess.
[14:22] <nigelbabu> for (a)(ii), you wanted patch-forwarded-upstream+patch-forwarded-debian+-patch-accepted-upstream+-patch-accepted-debian+-patch-rejected-upstream+-patch-rejected-debian
[14:22] <nigelbabu> well, thats from modifying the link's query
[14:24] <persia> Well, kinda.
[14:25] <persia> I just suggested doing real analysis.
[14:25] <nigelbabu> Only, I get no hits with that one :x
[14:25] <persia> If you do that check for each bug iteratively (rather than doing arithmetic later), you should get the number of bugs waiting for upsteam feedback.
[14:27] <persia> OTher interesting numbers would be a count of how many patches have been accepted usptream.
[14:28] <persia> Or a count of how many patches have been applied upstream that still have open Ubuntu bugs.
[14:28] <persia> (indicating how far we're behind on integration)
[14:28] <persia> I'm sure there are others, but once you have a few, I suspect you'll get requests for more.
[14:30] <nigelbabu> Thats the plan so far :)
[14:30] <nigelbabu> for the places we have work to do, I'll just make a table or link to a query
[14:33] <persia> Please don't.
[14:34] <persia> Instead, for the candidates for automation, generate a table so we can review that the automation is safe to enable.
[14:34] <persia> For the worklists, try to construct URLs for realtime LP queries.
[14:34]  * persia reads ago.
[14:34] <persia> s/ago/again/
[14:34] <nigelbabu> Isn't that what I just said?
[14:35] <persia> Right.  Please *DO* :)  Just differentiate in the way I describe :)
[14:35] <nigelbabu> yup,sure :)
[14:35] <nigelbabu> Only this can only happen in stages.
[14:35] <nigelbabu> I'll first work on getting the numbers out
[14:39] <persia> Sounds like a plan :)  Let me know if you need hosting (either realtime, or cronjob).
[14:39] <nigelbabu> okay :)
[14:40] <nigelbabu> Is it normal that I end up doing support stuff for the team than actual patch review?
[14:42] <persia> In all the teams where I have accepted a leadership or administrative role, I've found that I have greatly reduced time to spend doing the actual work of the team.
[14:42] <nigelbabu> Well, so that explains that.
[14:42] <persia> When I'm not spending time thinking about how to improve how the team works, I'm spending time supporting other folks on the team with their goals.
[14:44] <nigelbabu> So far similar to what I've been doing.
[14:49] <persia> Yep.  You're the team leader for this team :)
[14:51] <nigelbabu> I *hate* LP API!
[14:51] <nigelbabu> (and it seems to hate me equally)
[14:53] <nigelbabu> looks like I neeed help figuring out how LP API deals with tag combinations
[14:55] <persia> #launchpad :)
[14:56] <nigelbabu> weekend
[14:57] <nigelbabu> Note to self: Trial and error /works/
[14:57] <persia> Well, and bad time of day for the couple folks that tend to be around on weekends.
[14:57] <nigelbabu> I figured it out.  API documentation is just bad.
[14:57] <nigelbabu> instead of whitespace I needed a =
[14:58] <nigelbabu> + rather
[14:59] <nigelbabu> patch-forwarded-upstream shows 3 bugs with patches and patch-forwarded-upstream+patch-forwarded-debian shows 0
[14:59] <nigelbabu> wonder why
[14:59] <persia> paste code?
[15:00] <nigelbabu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/421691/
[15:00] <nigelbabu> I've worked on the code than brian uses for generating graphs
[15:03] <persia> Actually, based on our workflow, I would expect that the number of bugs with that combination would be 0.
[15:03] <persia> We haven't gone back to the patch-forwarded-upstream bugs and decided upstream was far too slow, and done forwarding to Debian yet.
[15:04] <nigelbabu> ah, I have to try something with two tags to see if that works
[15:06] <nigelbabu> Even with Any combination/
[15:12] <nigelbabu> ok, thiss is totally cuckoo!  Whats works on LP site doesn't work via API
[15:13] <persia> That doesn't suprise me.
[15:13] <persia> An increasing amount of the web interface is being refactored to use the API, but it's not complete in any way.
[15:14] <nigelbabu> I'm not sure if tag combinations work via API.
[15:14] <persia> And there's extra oddities: like the behaviour of things being different if you use/don't use the Javascript interface.
[15:14] <nigelbabu> I tried using whitespace to separate two tags and also +, still returns 0
[15:15] <persia> You could grab all the bugs that have some specific tag, and then select a subset (using Python's set interface) where they also have (or don't have) some other tag.
[15:15] <nigelbabu> grabbing bug by bug is very inefficient.  It takes a loong time.
[15:16] <persia> That said, I can barely patch typo bugs in Python, so I can't really help you do that :)
[15:16] <persia> No, grab a set of bugs that have tag A.
[15:16] <persia> Stick them in a set.
[15:16] <persia> Then create a subset from that set, based on properties of the bugs (not requerying LP).
[15:17] <nigelbabu> Ah, that *might* work
[15:17] <nigelbabu> I need food first.
[15:17] <persia> Depends on whether you have local access to the bug properties.  I don't know the data structures.
[15:17] <persia> But that algorithm should get you the right set.
[15:18] <nigelbabu> subsetting might involve querying LP again
[15:29] <vish> nigelbabu: did the cheese apport hook land for karmic as well?
[15:33] <nigelbabu> vish: no.  need sru for that.
[15:34] <vish> nigelbabu: hmm , a lot of the bugs are from karmic users.. would it get an sru?
[15:34] <nigelbabu> vish: can ask someone from ~ubuntu-sru?
[15:34] <vish> righto..


[12:10] <airtonix> oh ok
[12:10] <airtonix> that's a pretty low standard
[12:10] <airtonix> you know what they say about trolls without bridges


[08:40] <Wtempty> hi,i using 16.04.1 Xubuntu.I cant change the highlight color when using buildin numix theme.It's a bug?how can i fix it.
[19:44] <xubuntu99w> Hello. Can someone help me with my Xubuntu 16.04 desktop allowing remote connections to it from my Android device. Xubuntu 16.04 doesn't have the Desktop Sharing application as Ubuntu and some other Ubuntu distros have.


[08:37] <danilos> gmb, fwiw, I've set-up a cronjob on my server for lp2kanban, to run at 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour
[08:37] <danilos> gmb, so if you planned to do that, no need to bother now :)
[08:38] <gmb> danilos: Ah, perfect. I started on that last night, but Python kept reporting a syntax error in kanban.py; I was too tired to fix it there and then.
[08:38] <danilos> gmb, interestingly, I've seen that too (and it was, but I wonder why it worked for me: I've used a dict with no values, and it seems that works with some versions of python)
[08:38] <danilos> gmb, like 2.7 instead of 2.6
[08:39] <gmb> danilos: Ah, that'll be it; my server is running Lucid.
[08:39] <danilos> gmb, (my server is lucid as well :))
[08:39] <gmb> Hmm...
[08:39] <danilos> I still get test failures on lucid because TestCase has no assertIs, but that should be easy to fix
[08:39] <gmb> danilos: Are you running Lucid with python 2.7? Mine's running whatever the stock python is for Lucid... 2.6.5 I thnk
[08:39] <danilos> gmb, what I meant was, I've seen it on lucid but not on my dev machine which has 2.7
[08:40] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[08:40] <gmb> That'll be it then :)
[08:40] <danilos> yep
[11:30] <bac> good morning
[11:31] <bac> gmb has the rioting reached lancaster yet/
[11:45] <bac> hi gary_poster
[11:46] <gary_poster> hey bac
[11:46] <bac> gary_poster: can we skype for a sec when you get settled?
[11:46] <gary_poster> sure bac.  maybe in 10?
[11:47] <bac> gary_poster: yep, just ring me
[11:47] <gary_poster> cool will do
[12:00] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging
[12:00] <gary_poster> Tracing SQL statements through STORM
[12:03] <danilos> gary_poster, hi, fyi, I've set up a cronjob for lp2kanban to run on my server on 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour (so every 20 mins, and hopefully just before the daily call since a run takes up to 25s)
[12:06] <gary_poster> danilos, cool.  are you using the robot's credentials?
[12:06] <danilos> gary_poster, nope, I don't know what the password is
[12:07] <danilos> gary_poster, I'd be happy to use them, though
[12:13] <gmb> bac: Nope. Some trouble in Liverpool and Manchester but nothing up here. I think we're too small to have much in the way of bother. Preston, about 20 miles south, might be at risk though.
[12:16] <gary_poster> gmb, I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't quite understood what the riot was *about*.  Was there in fact a cause, or was it just youthful exuberance turned sour?
[12:17] <gary_poster> ah
[12:17]  * gary_poster had not sufficiently googled
[12:18] <gary_poster> "following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred."
[12:19] <gmb> gary_poster: Yes, the current rumours are that only police bullets were found afterwards; the police had said that he fired first.
[12:19] <gmb> No-one really trusts the met all that much these days.
[12:19] <gary_poster> I see :-(
[12:19] <gary_poster> So, kind of protests against the feeling of an inceased police state, then?
[12:20] <gary_poster> increased
[12:20] <gmb> gary_poster: Well, it started as protests, then it got out of hand.
[12:20] <gmb> The problem is that a non-white person in London can expect to be stopped and searched by the police up to 3 times a day.
[12:20] <gary_poster> yeah, more than a little
[12:20] <gary_poster> wow
[12:21] <gmb> And these are pretty deprived areas, with all the recent public sector cuts having an impact on community centres and so on.
[12:21] <gmb> So the youths - already disaffected at best - have nowhere to go but the streets.
[12:22] <gary_poster> I see.
[12:26] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb: I am still office-less, but I planned ahead and am not headset-less.  skype in 4.
[12:26] <bac> k
[12:26] <gmb> gary_poster: Okiedoke.
[12:57] <danilos> gary_poster, I used your done-done ++profile++ card (no "sync:" metadata) to test that the autosync works, hope you don't mind the history metadata getting polluted like that :)
[13:07] <gary_poster> cool danilos :-)
[13:52] <gary_poster> benji: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/08/debug-languages-on-javascript-vm cool :-)
[13:52] <benji> wow, that's something else
[13:54] <benji> that's very cool, I foresee a flood of JS-targeted languages in the near future
[13:56] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:57] <gary_poster> benji, had you seen ClojureScript already?
[13:57] <benji> yep
[13:57] <benji> I'm contemplating PythonScript ;)
[13:59] <danilos> benji, +1 on PythonScript, if that means Python which compiles to JavaScript :)
[14:08] <gary_poster> PyPy, yeah?
[14:18] <benji> actually, PyPy has quietly stopped talking about the JS backend and removed all references to it
[14:19] <benji> I've considered resurecting a crazy thing I worked on a couple of years ago that was just Python syntax on top of JS, a lot like CoffeeScript.
[14:20] <benji> If we're really serious about true Pyhton to JS compilers, there are at least two real projects we could use today: pyjamas and another one I can't remember the name of.
[14:22] <gary_poster> Personally, I'm not serious about it.  I'd prefer a language closer to JS.  http://pypy.org/features.html
[14:22] <gary_poster> at the bottom mentions JS
[14:52] <benji> ooh, you're right; it seems the JS backend has had a resurgence
[14:53] <benji> maybe my Py-flavored-JS idea wouldn't be too bad then.  Of course, at that point people might as well use CoffeeScript.
[15:00] <gary_poster> CHR...which is good, because my optimization efforts currently feel like I'm pushing against a brick wall. :-/
[15:05] <gary_poster> danilos, should I be concerned that we have translation imports that are from Aug 4, or is that normal?
[15:05] <danilos> gary_poster, email from mrevell to maintainers should have gone out today, and I want them to start picking it up themselves
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, basically, I haven't removed it from CHR yet just so we watch it
[15:06] <gary_poster> danilos, ah cool!  is it time to remove the task from CHR then?  ah ok
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, we can perhaps start emailing people
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, but I wanted the global announcement to go out first
[15:10] <gary_poster> danilos makes sense thanks
[17:00]  * gmb -> afk for the evening. Here's hoping no more of the country ends up on fire tonight. I suspect it will, though.
[18:04] <bac> hey gary_poster, this works well if you want more granularity turning sql tracing on/off
[18:04] <bac> from storm.tracer import get_tracers
[18:04] <bac> get_tracers()[0]._debug_sql = True
[18:04] <gary_poster> bac, can you turn the traceback stuff on that way too?
[18:05] <gary_poster> bac, fwiw, if misery loves company, my optimization bug is kicking my rear atm ;-)
[18:05] <bac> yep
[18:05] <gary_poster> cool bac.    :-/  FWIW, my day has largely been a bust too. :-(
[19:06] <bac> gary_poster: maybe we should trade
[19:06] <bac> or go out and set something on fire
[19:06] <benji> heh
[19:06] <gary_poster> bac, heh, or collaborate, yeah.  ooh, collaborate on fire, yes!
[19:07] <bac> hey, that's what the rioters have been doing.  technology driven flammable collaboration
[19:07] <gary_poster> true
[19:22] <benji> bac: I have one question left and I can't answer it, so I'm leaving it for you and so I can help you now :P
[19:22] <bac> benji: hey that's quite a trade
[19:22] <benji> heh
[19:23] <bac> benji: skype
[19:23] <benji> I'm selfless individual.
[19:23] <benji> k
[19:24] <bac> benji: lp:~bac/launchpad/bug-813322-2
[19:27] <gary_poster> fwiw bac and benji, I'm in favor of full-on pair programming if that makes sense.  I know I may need it. :-P
[19:30] <bac> gary_poster: ack
[19:30] <gary_poster> :-D
[19:31] <gary_poster> uh, that smiley was an odd choice.  don't mind me.
[19:31] <benji> bac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662143/
[19:31]  * gary_poster goes to remedial smiley course
[19:36]  * bac walks the dog
[19:38] <benji> （＾_＾）
[19:38] <gary_poster> looks Japanese
[19:38] <benji> it is
[19:38] <gary_poster> ...well there you go then...
[19:38] <benji> the Japanese have a large set of smileys, some quite odd
[19:39] <gary_poster> emoji or something like that, yeah?
[19:39] <benji> I hope life never gets so bad I need to use this one to express how I feel: ＿|￣|○
[19:39] <gary_poster> heh
[19:39] <gary_poster> that's throwing up?
[19:39] <gary_poster> very creative at least
[19:40] <benji> not quite throwing up, more like "beaten down"
[19:40] <gary_poster> ah ok
[19:41] <benji> wow, someone put a lot of effort into cataloging them: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/body.html
[19:43] <gary_poster> I don't quite understand all of them, but "Dance/Sing" made me smile
[19:44] <benji> heh
[19:45] <benji> yeah, several seem to incorporate words
[20:05]  * bac -> chr
[20:15] <bac> benji: did you see the reply to feedback from the guy you helped?  "What is Launchpad?"  I marked it 'resolved' with no further engaging of him.
[20:15] <gary_poster> bac, heh, can I have a link?
[20:15] <bac> gary_poster: it's on RT.  not sure how to find it now
[20:16] <benji> heh; seems like an appropriate response
[20:16] <gary_poster> bac, s'ok nm
[20:17] <bac> gary_poster: you can have a link to this though:  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167455
[20:17] <bac> it isn't even friday
[20:17] <gary_poster> bac, lol!
[20:17] <benji> pfft, that's hilarious
[20:21] <gary_poster> Canonical tech is the new warthogs
[20:22] <gary_poster> tha's probably not fair
[20:22] <gary_poster> but there's something to it
[20:54] <bac> this is a time zone:  Asia/Jerusalem ?
[20:57] <bac> benji, gary_poster: did either of you write this:  https://launchpad.net/~amichai2/+reviewaccount
[20:57] <bac> speaking of the white board
[20:57] <gary_poster> I remember amichai vaguely, might be me.  Looking
[20:57] <benji> bac: not I
[20:58] <bac> +1 on henning's suggestion to put a date and name for all whiteboard entries
[20:58] <benji> the wording looks Gary-onic
[20:58] <gary_poster> :-) yeah.  bac, me.  sorry, for not being clear with time/person
[20:58] <bac> his account is the one komputes mentioned
[20:58] <bac> i'm not sure what to do
[20:58] <gary_poster> komputes
[20:58] <bac> gary_poster: was it today-ish
[20:59] <gary_poster> bac, no long time ago
[20:59] <gary_poster> month or two or three
[20:59] <bac> oh, ok
[20:59] <bac> well it is happening again and i already contacted him
[20:59] <gary_poster> bac, the situation with email completely sucks
[20:59] <bac> yep
[20:59] <gary_poster> we accept spoofed mail no problem
[21:00] <gary_poster> I have RTs in about this
[21:00] <gary_poster> but they are not high priority
[21:00] <bac> so i should reassign this and future questions to elmo?
[21:00] <gary_poster> heh
[21:01] <gary_poster> I think maybe we can say something like "at this time, Launchpad has no defense against spoofed email other than manual intervention.  RTs X and Y can improve this in the future."
[21:01] <gary_poster> Where the second sentence is for canonical employees
[21:01] <gary_poster> Lemme get the RTs for the heck of it.
[21:02] <bac> benji: was this the question that stumped you?  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167457
[21:02] <benji> bac: nope, I think I can find it...
[21:03] <benji> bac: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167428
[21:04] <bac> oh, that should be easy
[21:04] <bac> and those projects are run by a group here in town
[21:04] <gary_poster> RT 46019 and RT 46021
[21:04] <bac> gary_poster: where do you propose putting that?  in the CHR wiki?
[21:06] <gary_poster> bac, I dunno, I was hoping you'd have some bright ideas.  I've thought about complaining at the list a couple of times, pointing out the RTs, but stopped because I didn't see the point.  Maybe the right thing to do is to give the information to mrevell, ask him to formulate a FAQ that doesn't sound too bad, and tell devs about it, so we all say the same thing?
[21:06] <bac> sounds good.  i have no bright ideas
[21:10] <bac> see y'all tomorrow
[21:10]  * bac -> ocean
[21:10] <gary_poster> bye!


[00:30] <johnc4510> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #164 is now available:
[00:30] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue164
[04:10] <Takyoji> johnc4510: In the "Windows 7 meets Ubuntu 9.10" section, there's a sentence that states "Windows 7 is being released on October 7", which is a typo
[04:35] <Takyoji> Unless I'm fairly delusional or something..


[00:43] <Louis> Will setting the noatime option to a  partition cause any problems with myth?
[00:45] <Louis> and what about nodiratime?
[01:12] <J-e-f-f-A_> J-e-f-f-A
[01:13] <BassKozz> Hello J-e-f-f-A / J-e-f-f-A_
[01:14] <J-e-f-f-A_> BassKozz: Hey, what's up?
[01:15] <BassKozz> Not much, can't get my darn HDHomeRun to work :(
[01:16] <BassKozz> Your not using an HDHR are you?
[01:16] <BassKozz> What are you using up there in Marlborough, Comcast,RCN, FIOS ?
[01:17] <BassKozz> FIOS
[01:41] <steven_M> hi all
[01:43] <steven_M> which directory do the xmltv scripts go into?
[01:51] <steven_M> hi foxbuntu
[01:51] <foxbuntu> hi steven_M
[01:51] <foxbuntu> do I know you?
[01:52] <steven_M> nope, just being friendly
[01:53] <steven_M> do you know which directory the xmltv scripts go into?
[01:54] <foxbuntu> steven_M, not sure
[01:55] <foxbuntu> steven_M, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV
[01:57] <steven_M> thanks
[02:28] <tim1> i'm trying to use myth as a dvr for  a network cctv camera.  i can
[02:32] <tim1> i'm trying to use myth as  a dvr for  a cctv camera.  I can't get it to record my mpeg4 stream although docs say it can.  I have an m3u file (maybe not correct).  I've reviewed mythbackend and frontend logs and found no indication of the issue.  any one have experience doing this type of thing?
[02:41] <hads> I'd hazard a guess that there are better things to use as a CCTV DVR than mythtv
[02:41] <hads> Zoneminder comes to mind.
[02:42] <tim1> thanks, but I don't believe that ZM supports mpeg4.  I think it's just motion jpeg.  Am I wrong?
[02:43] <hads> I don't know a lot about it, I just know that myth isn't really made for it.
[02:44] <oobuntoo> hello?
[02:45] <oobuntoo> i think i really messed up my mythtv program and now it won't even run the backend setup
[02:46] <oobuntoo> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2ef4efd
[02:46] <oobuntoo> is there any way to just completely uninstall it or restore it to all default settings?
[02:47] <hads> oobuntoo: Run mythbuntu-control-centre and check your mysql access parameters. Looks like your IP is incorrect.
[02:48] <hads> It should be <IP_ADDRESS> rather than <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:48] <oobuntoo> i'll check it out
[02:48] <oobuntoo> what tab is my "mysql access parameters" under
[02:48] <oobuntoo> i am completely new to this
[02:48] <oobuntoo> sorry
[02:49] <oobuntoo> I found it but it is grayed out so i can't edit it
[02:51] <hads> Odd. Can you pastebin "cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt"
[02:52] <hads> (run that from a terminal)
[02:52] <oobuntoo> haha, thanks for the clarification... i will do that now
[02:53] <oobuntoo> ok... you want me to copy and paste that in here?
[02:55] <oobuntoo> nevermind... i googled what pastebin is
[02:55] <oobuntoo> http://pastebin.com/d5de68d0e
[02:55] <hads> :)
[02:56] <hads> OK sec
[02:57] <hads> Run this in a terminal; sed -i 's/27/127/' /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[02:57] <oobuntoo> permission denied
[02:58] <hads> k, run; sudo sed -i 's/27/127/' /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[02:58] <hads> http://xkcd.com/149/
[02:59] <oobuntoo> hahaha... that sudo makes me a root or something right
[02:59] <oobuntoo> i am still learning
[02:59] <hads> Yep it does.
[02:59] <oobuntoo> it said unable to resolve host
[02:59] <hads> sudo == Super User do
[03:00] <hads> Oh dear.
[03:00] <oobuntoo> that doesnt sound good
[03:00] <hads> Did you change the name of your computer by chance?
[03:01] <oobuntoo> very possible... i might have done it from the networking part
[03:01] <hads> Pastebin this again please; cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[03:03] <oobuntoo> http://pastebin.com/d2e19d67e
[03:03] <oobuntoo> yeah... i changed it to nick-ubuntu and it was nick-desktop
[03:03] <hads> Umm did you run that sed command twice?
[03:04] <oobuntoo> yea... i wanted to make sure it wasn't a typo
[03:04] <oobuntoo> so i typed it once and copied and pasted it once
[03:05] <hads> heh okay don't do that :) run this; sudo sed -i 's/1127/127/' /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[03:05] <oobuntoo> unable to resolve host
[03:05] <hads> That's okay, it's still working.
[03:05] <oobuntoo> ok
[03:06] <hads> Show my the mysql.txt file again
[03:06] <oobuntoo> so sed -i is the microsoft equivalent of "find and replace"
[03:06] <hads> Kind of, it's a command line version which I know better than GUI tools.
[03:06] <hads> Other people here will be able to help you out more with the GUI stuff
[03:08] <hads> sed == Stream EDitor, the -i means 'in place' and the s/// bit is yeah, a sort of find and replace.
[03:08] <hads> Well that should have fixed your database access anyway.
[03:08] <oobuntoo> yea looks like it is back to 127
[03:09] <hads> So you can carry on doing what you were doing before
[03:09] <oobuntoo> you are an absolute genius
[03:10] <hads> heh why thank you, not really though :)
[03:10] <oobuntoo> i was contemplating wiping out the entire OS and reinstalling it
[03:11] <oobuntoo> i have some very very basic gui questions while i have you here that maybe you could help with
[03:11] <hads> Maybe, as I said I'm not as up on the GUI stuff
[03:11] <oobuntoo> i haven't got mythtv up and running yet and i only have one computer with a tv tuner and it is connected to an antenna
[03:12] <oobuntoo> i would have that be primary backend and a frontend correct?
[03:12] <hads> Yeah, the backend is the bit that does the scheduling and recording etc. The frontend is the bit you watch TV through, so if you want to do both on the same computer then yes.
[03:13] <oobuntoo> ok and my tuner card is recognized out of the box on 8.10 (which i have) so i just need to run the channel editor and i am all set?
[03:15] <hads> You need to follow through the steps in mythtv-setup, I think there's a mythbuntu/mythtv manual which will tell you.
[03:15] <oobuntoo> ok... i will check that
[03:15] <oobuntoo> thanks you so much - do you have a paypal account?
[03:16] <oobuntoo> i'd be glad to make a small donation
[03:16] <hads> I do but that's not nessecary at all, glad to help out.
[03:17] <oobuntoo> greatly appreciate it
[03:17] <hads> No worries :)
[03:17] <oobuntoo> thanks... bye
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest41> hi
[04:02] <redsix> anyone here?
[04:04] <redsix> anyone have luck with hvr 1250 and remote?
[04:05] <redsix> 1250 is working but i have remote issues
[04:23] <redsix> hi?
[04:33] <redsix> anyone seen mario lately?
[04:53] <redsix> hello
[05:06] <redsix> got disconnected
[05:07] <redsix> question was, i have a hauppauge hvr-1250 recording well, but the remote/ir piece is not working, any ideas?
[05:10] <redsix> anyone had luck with hvr 1250?
[05:14] <BassKozz_> Can someone help me, I think I've royally f'ed up my Xubuntu install... I was playing around with weekly trunk builds of mythbuntu and now I've removed everything and am trying to revert back to stable (mythbuntu 8.10), but I can't get mythbuntu-desktop installed: http://pastebin.com/md81b376
[05:16] <BassKozz_> Broken packages
[05:18] <BassKozz_> Well thank god this is a test box, I guess I can just format and re-install
[05:31] <superm1> BassKozz, weekly trunks got a little messed up recently
[05:31] <superm1> hopefully laga should be fixing them soon..
[05:34] <redsix> hi superm1
[05:34] <superm1> hi redsix
[05:35] <redsix> trying to get hvr-1250 ir/remote working any ideas?
[05:35] <redsix> card is recording great
[05:37] <redsix> i tried the regulr hauppauge seeting in the IR devices area, but no luck there
[05:37] <BassKozz_> Nevermind, I figured it out, I had to sift thru a few packages until I found that mythtv-common was still installed (but it didn't show up in synaptic when I filtered 'myth' :weird:) oh well, back to normal :-D
[05:38] <superm1> redsix, sorry i've not worked with it at all
[05:39] <redsix> iv'e tried using irw from terminal and it keeps kicking out saying it cant find hard ware
[05:40] <redsix> dmesg |grep cx23885
[05:41] <redsix> [    9.267097] CORE cx23885[0]: subsystem: 0070:7911, board: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR
[05:41] <redsix> 1250 [card=3,autodetected]
[05:42] <redsix> [    9.367823] cx23885[0]: i2c bus 0 registered
[05:42] <redsix> [    9.367823] cx23885[0]: i2c bus 1 registered
[05:42] <redsix> [    9.367823] cx23885[0]: i2c bus 2 registered
[05:42] <redsix> should use lirc i2c no?
[05:44] <BassKozz_> heya superm1, you said the "trunks" were messed up, but the fixes builds are ok right?
[05:45] <superm1> BassKozz, yeah they should be fine
[05:46] <superm1> redwell likely yeah i2c.  you might check though and make sure that it's not getting stuck at the devinput layer or something
[05:47] <BassKozz_> thx superm1
[05:47] <BassKozz_> btw redsix is gone
[05:47] <superm1> oh didn't see
[05:47] <superm1> thanks
[05:47] <BassKozz_> impatient
[05:48] <BassKozz_> :P
[07:14] <jumpkick> so is it just my copy or is the partitioner in mythbuntu 9.04 totally fubar?
[07:20] <hads> I'd imagine just yours.
[07:30] <Thrae> Well I got everything working except my Avermedia A180 HD Tuner (DVB-T). It shows up as an Air2PC card in the setup which is fine, but it keeps giving me "Timeout on Channel X: no signal" despite whatever the signal strength is. If I increase the timeout to something like 50000, then it gives "no tables", whatever the heck that means.
[07:31] <jumpkick> hads: probably, it would be just silly to put out an installer with a broken partitioner...
[07:35] <Thrae> Ah, it seems ATSC scanning is broken.
[07:45] <Thrae> Has anyone else had trouble with ATSC tuning?
[08:45] <jumpkick> seems you have to run "sudo local-gen" or something so the partitioner works properly
[08:45] <jumpkick> on alpha3
[10:11] <obama_linux> Nvidia 9400GT using standard Tv screen is about 5 percent too big on the top and bottom used several drivers for this cannot get nvidia settings manger too give me the overscan option any help would greatly be appreciated
[16:25] <xal2> Hi
[16:26] <xal2> I setup mythtv on ubuntu and I am using schedules direct for my channel tuning. I also did a channel scan and the channels come in fine for a while after some manipulation with sound settings but then it goes back to a noisy picture that skips with static. My tuner is a PCHDTV 5500
[16:26] <xal2> I'm not sure if it's a difference, but I ausing alsa insted of pulse audio.
[18:01] <phanohanover> anyone good at backend scanning w/DVB -s?
[18:01] <Thrae> phanohanover: I'd like to know how to do that too, since my Avermedia A180 isn't picking up channels in MythTV's scanner.
[18:02] <phanohanover> i am able but only with bev...
[18:02] <phanohanover> I have done everything...patches etc and nothing w/DN
[18:02] <phanohanover> I have a tabel problem i think...
[18:03] <phanohanover> what is your problem?
[18:03] <Thrae> I get a signal timeout no matter the signal strength when I do a channel scan in Mythbuntu / MythTV.
[18:04] <Thrae> If I increase the timeout to, say, 50000, then I get "no tables". It's a known issue that the scanner is broken for ATSC, so I need to figure out how to scan manually.
[18:04] <phanohanover> have you tried your dish with a regular receiver for signal confirm? (just in case)
[18:04] <Thrae> It is a regular receiver. ATSC.
[18:04] <Thrae> Works fine in Windows
[18:04] <phanohanover> ok ok...that is different...you want to cache HD signal?
[18:05] <phanohanover> or regular vhf?
[18:05] <Thrae> Yeah, I want to scan for HD broadcasts.
[18:05] <phanohanover> where are you?
[18:06] <Thrae> I might have to install Windows to get the codes...
[18:06] <phanohanover> is you card recognized in dmesg?
[18:06] <Thrae> 21061, USA
[18:06] <phanohanover> are you linux or win
[18:06] <Thrae> Yep, kinda. It shows up as an Air2PC in Mythbuntu, but it loads the correct module.
[18:06] <phanohanover> ok...on cable or antenna?
[18:07] <Thrae> Just Antenna, ATSC, no QAM
[18:07] <phanohanover> i presume antenna...then you should choose 8VSB and not qam256...
[18:07] <phanohanover> did you try that?
[18:07] <Thrae> Right, that's the default and that's what I'm choosing.
[18:08] <phanohanover> did you choose dvb in backend or video0 v4l?
[18:08] <Thrae> DVB
[18:09] <Thrae> The other choice clearly says "Analog".
[18:09] <phanohanover> Sorry man...i am not yet a guru at atsc...mine works so so (hvr-1600). My problem is my antenne...
[18:10] <Thrae> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=942535 <-- I'm following this thread, maybe it'll help you.
[18:15] <phanohanover> looks like your card has a problem with heat...i guess you tried the cold start?
[18:17] <phanohanover> I am unable to scan DN channels in backend using 18207 patched... all i get is NET ID 0x1006 processing...anyone heard that?
[18:17] <phanohanover> I have been working on this for 2 weeks now and nothing comes up....
[18:44] <Emp123> Does anybody know if the Hauppauge HVR-1800 will work out of the box?
[18:45] <Emp123> If it matters, and I think it does, Im in the United States so I think I need it to do NTSC
[18:46] <Emp123> It will be coming through a cable box though, if that alters anything
[18:46] <tgm4883> Emp123, if you are going through a cable box, you don't need a digital tuner
[18:46] <tgm4883> not that that matters
[18:46] <phanohanover> hey! solved my issue!!! just didn't wait long enough to get the channels... Dum...only stupidity is stupid!
[18:47] <phanohanover> thank you guys anyway!
[18:47] <Emp123> Well, its really hard to find the Hauppauge PVR-150 which is what I would have used, and I dont know if it will always be hooked up to a cable box
[18:57] <shiraj> hey guys
[19:15] <shiraj> hey anyone around?
[19:16] <tgm4883> !ask | shiraj
[19:16] <Zinn> shiraj: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[19:17] <shiraj> heh
[19:18] <shiraj> i just want to know what kind of media player mythbuntu uses to play back videos. Im not very interested in using it to record tv, just want to play back music and videos that are stored in different places on the network
[19:19] <tgm4883> shiraj, internally it uses it's own version of mplayer, but you can configure xine or vlc also
[19:19] <shiraj> ah nice
[19:20] <shiraj> and it will play videos that are on samba shares?
[19:20] <tgm4883> yes, as long as you mount the share
[19:21] <shiraj> and can it do that automatically or do i have to cli it
[19:21] <shiraj> its gonna be for my parents to use
[19:22] <shiraj> i dont want their heads to explode
[19:22] <tgm4883> shiraj, how many different systems?
[19:23] <shiraj> just 2
[19:23] <tgm4883> have you looked at XMBC?
[19:24] <shiraj> nope whats that
[19:24] <tgm4883> a media center app, no tv functionality
[19:25] <shiraj> ah cool
[19:25] <shiraj> sounds like what i need
[19:25] <tgm4883> shiraj, probably.  I don't have the link on me right now, but google is your friend.  They have ubuntu packages too
[19:26] <shiraj> yeah just found it
[19:26] <shiraj> sweet thanks
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest60> !help
[20:59] <Zinn> !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest60> !status
[20:59] <Zinn> I am alive.
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest60> !skystarhd2
[20:59] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about skystarhd2
[20:59] <MythbuntuGuest60> !skystar
[20:59] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about skystar
[20:59] <overbusy> !nexus
[20:59] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about nexus
[20:59] <overbusy> !nexus-s
[20:59] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about nexus-s
[21:00] <overbusy> !technotrend
[21:00] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about technotrend
[21:00] <MythbuntuGuest60> anyone knows how to get skystar hd2 work with mythbuntu?
[21:01] <tgm4883> for the record, it's probably easier to go to the link provided by !help and see what Zinn knows
[21:01] <tgm4883> than just randomly guess things
[21:01] <MythbuntuGuest75> !help
[21:01] <Zinn> !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[21:02] <overbusy> I bought 2 dvb-s cards (nexus-s and tt S1102) but no one works with MythTv; please help
[21:15] <hads> Check the linuxtv wiki for card support
[22:19] <Chaorain> 9Should I upgrade to Mythbuntu 9?
[22:20] <Chaorain> I'm running 8.1
[22:25] <hads> 8.10 is the current stable version. 9.04 is the development version which is yet to be released.
[23:48] <neoneddy> question: where can I find a file browser in Mythbuntu ?
[23:49] <neoneddy> don't everyone answer at once here :-)
[23:53] <neoneddy> nevermind I found it


[03:37] <mup> Bug #1502314 changed: juju-deployer never completes landscape deployment to vmLDS <landscape> <falkor:Invalid> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502314>
[22:51]  * thumper heads out to go and choke someone


[03:34] <vibhav> Good morning
[03:46] <chilicuil> morning
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <philipballew> morning dholbach
[07:19] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[07:19] <philipballew> hello! hope all is well.
[07:21] <dholbach> yep - life's good - I'm super amazed with all the feedback and excitement around ubuntu touch
[07:22] <philipballew> dholbach, I found the reaction demoing it at the Ubuntu  booth this weekend at scale to be great. Lots of people are interested in it.
[07:23] <dholbach> nice :)
[09:08] <dpm> morning all
[09:09] <dpm> popey, someone just pinged me confused because the #ubuntu-phone channel is invite-only. I see it's been redirected to #ubuntu-touch over the weekend, and it's worked for me (I had it set to auto-join), but it seems not for everyone. Was it you who talked to the IRC concil about it?
[09:09] <popey> it was
[09:09] <popey> shouldn't be invite only
[09:09]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[09:10] <AlanBell> morning
[09:10] <AlanBell> it should be invite only or the forward won't work
[09:11] <popey> 09:10:54 [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-phone (You must be invited)
[09:11] <popey> that's what happens when you join
[09:11] <AlanBell> if you are already in -touch
[09:11] <popey> ew
[09:11] <popey> thats a bit nasty
[09:11] <AlanBell> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-phone
[09:11] <dpm> AlanBell, would it be possible to print a message to say "If you're not already there, please join #ubuntu-touch instead", or something like that?
[09:12] <AlanBell> if you are not already there, then you will be there
[09:12] <AlanBell> (that does make sense)
[09:13]  * AlanBell observes webchat users joining -touch :)
[09:15] <AlanBell> I emailed the -phone and -tablet mailing lists too
[09:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:02] <czajkowski> jussi: we have a cam up for the chickens :)
[10:20] <dholbach> dpm, how's it going?
[10:21] <dpm> dholbach, fine. I was playing with the touch sources this weekend, having a go at porting them to my old phone. I noticed that the repos over at phablet.u.c are unreachable most of the time. Perhaps they can't take the traffic?
[10:22] <dpm> I almost always get "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
[10:22] <popey> I've seen others report this on irc
[10:22] <dholbach> dpm, rsalveti replied to somebody on irc or on the mailing list - it seems to be a known problem :/
[10:22] <dholbach> not sure if there's a workaround or somebody working on a fix
[10:23] <dpm> ah, yeah, I've just read rsalveti's reply :/
[10:49] <daker> AlanBell: i can't join You need an invitation to join #ubuntu-tablet/#ubuntu-phone, what happened ?
[10:50] <AlanBell> hi daker
[10:50] <AlanBell> they have all been merged into #ubuntu-touch
[10:50] <AlanBell> as per emails to the two lists
[10:50] <popey> (which you are in)
[10:50] <AlanBell> if you are already in -touch you will get that message when trying to join -phone
[10:50] <AlanBell> if you are not in -touch and try to join -phone then you will be redirected to -touch
[10:53] <AlanBell> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg00350.html
[10:53] <daker> Thanks AlanBell
[15:26] <dholbach> dpm, do you want to be in the call with the XDA folks too tomorrow?
[15:26] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, sounds good
[15:26] <dpm> the time works for me
[15:26] <dholbach> dpm, I'll invite you
[15:27] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: do you want to talk about phone apps at some stage in a hangout? :)
[15:28] <mhall119> what about them?
[15:28] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, just last week was a bit crazy :/
[15:31] <dholbach> mhall119: I thought we wanted to a hangout about phone apps for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Hangouts?
[15:31] <dholbach> ignore me
[15:31] <dholbach> we picked a date and time already
[15:31] <dholbach> ..............
[15:32] <mhall119> dholbach: ah, cool, I'll add that to my calendar
[15:33]  * czajkowski passes a large bucket of tea for dholbach
[15:33]  * czajkowski gives mhall119 a firemans hat :p
[15:33] <mhall119> :P
[15:38] <dholbach> thanks czajkowski :)
[15:42] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: hey, would you mind confirming you have the same hangout prob as me in here? https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/google-plus-discuss/fix/A59tBeXU1zY
[15:43] <dholbach> yep
[16:00] <jono> dpm, will be there in a sec
[16:01] <dpm> np
[16:03] <jono> dpm, forgot to click the link in the invite and sent you another
[16:03] <jono> sorry
[16:03] <jono> you should see the URL in prv msg
[16:04] <dpm> jono, lol, no worries, feeling a bit lonely on the hangout. I'll join the other :)
[16:04] <jono> :-)
[16:49] <jono> dholbach, ping?
[16:50] <dholbach> jono, in a call, but pong
[16:50] <jono> dholbach, just a heads up
[16:50] <jono> so not next week, but the week after, I want to run a couple of days of SDK tutorials
[16:50] <jono> a crash course in writing SDK apps
[16:51] <jono> dholbach, I want to ask you to coordinate this and get the content scheduled
[16:51] <jono> we can discuss it in our call tomorrow
[16:51] <jono> this should be a community event, and we should look for members of the community to help deliver the sessions
[16:51] <jono> topics such as:
[16:51] <jono>  * Installing and configuring the SDK.
[16:51] <jono>  * Writing your first app (essentially the tutorial on the site)
[16:51] <jono>  * How to use the different components
[16:51] <jono>  * Debugging your apps
[16:52] <jono>  * Testing your app on the phone
[16:52] <jono>  * . . .
[16:52] <jono> dholbach, can you start thinking about this before our call tomorrow and we can discuss
[16:55] <mhall119> dpm: did you write the SDK tutorial, or did someone provide it to you?
[16:55] <mhall119> either way, we should update it with the new QtCreator template and MainView component
[16:56] <dholbach> jono, yep
[16:56] <jono> thanks dholbach
[16:56] <jono> mhall119, good catch
[16:56] <jono> dpm, ok confirmed the events
[16:57] <jono> dpm, just finalizing which ones
[16:57] <jono> dpm, likely OLF and LinuxCon
[16:57] <dpm> mhall119, I wrote the tutorial, and the actual code file came from the SDK team
[16:57] <dpm> ok, thanks jono
[16:58] <dpm> mhall119, I need to update the references to /opt there, but I just haven't had the chance :/
[16:58] <dpm> I should also update it to use the Ubuntu app templates
[16:58] <dpm> and yeah, with MainView
[17:00] <dpm> mhall119, will be a minute, I'll get something to drink and will start the hangout
[17:00] <mhall119> ok
[17:46] <dholbach> all right - time to call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :)
[19:32] <jono> balloons, all set?
[19:40] <balloons> jono, sorry mate I was messing with my upgrade install and didn't see your pop-up
[19:40] <balloons> yes, I'm set
[19:41] <jono> balloons, give me a few mins while I wrap up editing something
[19:41] <balloons> sure
[19:53] <jono> balloons, setting it up
[19:55] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/99a644dc23c0f576ae0047327427c37218fe6409?authuser=2&hl=en
[19:55] <jono> balloons, sorry I forgot to use the hangout link in the invite
[19:55] <jono> lets just use https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/99a644dc23c0f576ae0047327427c37218fe6409?authuser=2&hl=en
[22:18] <jcastro> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5282253
[22:20]  * popey clicks
[22:25] <jono> mhall119, wanna join: https://bbqpad.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/our-first-bbqpad-cook-off/ ?
[22:26] <mhall119> this weekend?  maybe, let me see what the family plans are
[22:34] <jcastro> jono: kyle shwoed me this this weekend: http://cajunbandit.com/
[22:37] <jono> jcastro, ahh yeah, those are pretty cool
[22:37] <jono> although for $299 you can buy a full 18" WSM
[22:37] <jono> mhall119, yep, this weekend
[22:38] <jono> cool if you can join, but no worries if not
[22:38] <jono> bkerensa, you should join in too
[22:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: global jam :)
[22:40] <SergioMeneses> hi all!
[22:41] <chilicuil> hi there SergioMeneses o/
[22:42] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, here o0
[22:42] <jcastro> jono: yeah, I am thinking though if you have little room for both, it's like perfect for me.
[22:42] <jono> jcastro, exactly
[22:43] <jono> there is also the smokenator
[22:43] <jono> which is cheaper
[22:43] <jcastro> oh
[22:43] <jcastro> that looks sweet
[22:43] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, are you working on bugs right now?
[22:43] <SergioMeneses> mhall119, czajkowski global jam is a good plan :)
[22:44] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: nah, just checking out the netboot testcases
[23:11] <bkerensa> jono: I have to do key training this week and meetings otherwise no global jam in Oregon :) next time though
[23:13] <jono> bkerensa, np :-)


[09:58] <nitesh`> Hello All, Today I did "virt-install --name ABC ..."of Ubuntu 1604 iso. But when it booted up , its name comes up as "ographics" in virsh list --all . Didn't understand why?
[10:12] <damascene> Hi, Any reason why I've 6 variation of English in my gnome-language-selector?
[10:12] <damascene> variations
[10:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:06] <nitesh`> lordievader: good morning
[12:11] <lordievader> o/
[19:58] <ChibaPet> Are there decent pointers to configuring initramfs? Bonus question, does the GRUB that ships (will ship) with 16.04 capable of loading an initramfs from ZFS-on-LUKS directly, without an unencrypted boot pool?
[19:59] <ChibaPet> s/does/is/
[20:14] <truexfan81> i so look forward to the next lts
[20:14] <truexfan81> i want my systemd
[23:38] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: you can install it now if you want :D
[23:52] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: without breaking anything?
[23:55] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: sorry, if you run Trusty, this isn't possible... :(
[23:55] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: no worries
[23:55] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: but hey! maybe you can update to 15.10! :D
[23:55] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: or become a beta tester when the final betas come out! :D
[23:55] <truexfan81> only a few months till i can upgrade it to the new lts
[23:56] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: you can now if you REALLY want, but I wouldn't recommend it on a production machine :)
[23:56] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: and http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-and-test-systemd-on-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-and-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ MIGHT work, but I would test it ina Virtual Machine before proceeding\
[23:57] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: i tried to make a 15.10 vm but i was not able to succeed at getting vmware tools installed on it
[23:57] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: try Virtualbox
[23:57] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: virtualbox-qt is in the repos
[23:57] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: noty
[23:57] <tsimonq2> !info virtualbox-qt trusty
[23:57] <truexfan81> on windows host virtualbox is meh
[23:57] <tsimonq2> ahhh yeah
[23:58] <truexfan81> i have to use windows host mainly cause i was stupid enough to buy a soundblaster card
[23:59] <truexfan81> tsimonq2: i do plan to eventually switch to a card that is supported by linux
[23:59] <truexfan81> maybe then i can switch
[23:59] <tsimonq2> truexfan81: what's the card brand and model? maybe I can help :)


[08:30] <didrocks> good morning
[09:00] <kvalo> didrocks: bonjour
[09:00] <didrocks> kvalo: hey! how are you?
[09:00] <kvalo> didrocks: I'm good, thanks. how about you?
[09:01] <didrocks> kvalo: I'm fine, thankss ;)
[09:01] <MacSlow> hey didrocks
[09:02] <didrocks> Guten Morgen MacSlow
[09:42] <kamstrup> is there some switch to make grep match regexes across line breaks?
[09:44] <\sh> kamstrup: afaik grep only works on single lines...
[09:44] <kamstrup> ok, good ol' Python to the rescue then :-)
[09:45] <\sh> kamstrup: perl could be a bit easier for regexps ;)
[09:45]  * kamstrup is not compatible with perl ;-)
[09:47] <\sh> kamstrup: lol
[09:47]  * didrocks install kamstrup-perl5 binding
[09:47] <kamstrup> aha! so that's the thing I am missing!
[10:54] <\sh> ogra: got my mail?
[10:54] <\sh> didrocks: todays unity somehow gives me "launcher -> right click on icon of running app -> launcher disappears" ;)
[10:54] <ogra> \sh, yeah, thanks a lot ... my maverick to natty upgrade is still running (16h now)
[10:55] <\sh> ogra: when you need i386 builds...raise your hand ;)
[10:55]  * ogra is getting really annoyed by the kbd selection dialog
[10:55] <\sh> ogra: yeah this kdb debconf questioning is really bad
[10:56] <ogra> and my kernel cant be installed too
[10:56] <didrocks> \ßis it crashing?
[10:56] <didrocks> \sh: ^^
[10:56] <ogra> lol
[10:57] <ogra> \sh, you should highlight on \ß
[10:57] <\sh> didrocks: no..it just disappears or something is drawing over the launcher because hte ubuntu symbol in the upper left edge goes away too
[10:58] <\sh> didrocks: are you using a german keyboard ? ;)
[10:58] <didrocks> \sh: no, a plain azerty one, but I have a special keymapping for … and other funny stuff :)
[10:59] <\sh> ogra: I wanted to change my nick from \sh to \sa but I was troubled 'cause of some german problems with that abbreviation ;)
[10:59] <ogra> heh, yeah
[11:01] <\sh> or I change it to "sadiq" (which is wrong from my last name now, but translates into a good islamic name [http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=sadiq])
[11:16] <kvalo> smspillaz: hey. I'm about to do that 'compiz --replace > file' you asked yesterday. is it ok to run it from vt or from X?
[11:16] <kvalo> smspillaz: also, anything else I should try?
[11:18] <smspillaz> kvalo: I've reproduced the bug here, no need to worry
[11:18] <smspillaz> unfortunatly every single freaking bug has decided to reproduce itself here as well
[11:19] <kvalo> smspillaz: good that you can reproduce it
[11:19] <smspillaz> or bad
[11:58] <ogra> didrocks, so, metacity rebuilt with the patch, compiz rebuilt against the new lib, all working fine
[11:58] <ogra> is there any specific area of functionallity i should check ?
[11:58] <didrocks> ogra: nice, go ahead then! commit to the vcs and push
[11:58] <didrocks> ogra: well, if unity is working, with decoration and such, I think it's ok
[11:59] <ogra> ok, yeah, all decorations are there
[11:59] <didrocks> like maximizing an app removes the decoration, you still get them if you unmaximize them
[11:59] <ogra> maximized and normal
[11:59] <ogra> yep
[11:59] <didrocks> ok, sounds good :)
[11:59] <ogra> i didnt recognize any change in behavior
[11:59] <ogra> great
[11:59] <\sh> didrocks: btw..any timeframe when places are coming back? ;)
[11:59] <didrocks> ogra: use the two vcs and push
[11:59] <ogra> ok
[11:59]  * ogra wishes he had a logout menu :P
[12:00] <didrocks> \sh: they will be there for alpha2, so soon :)
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: I've other pending change in compiz, wait, pushing
[12:00] <ogra> no hurry
[12:00] <ogra> i need to care for metacity first anyway
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: pushed in lp:compiz
[12:00] <didrocks> ogra: just ensure you add the breaks:
[12:00] <ogra> uploading compiz before thats in the archive wont make sense
[12:01] <ogra> uh, breaks ? against what ?
[12:01] <ogra> older lib version you mean ?
[12:01] <didrocks> ogra: well, metacity should breaks: against the current compiz
[12:01] <ogra> ok
[12:01] <didrocks> as if you don't rebuild it, it will clash
[12:01] <ogra> yep
[12:02] <ogra> metacity is lp:~ubuntu-desktop/metacity/ubuntu ??
[12:02] <didrocks> ogra: you got it :)
[12:02] <ogra> great
[12:05] <ogra> didrocks, the breaks goes only into libmetacity-private0, right, no need for other breaks entries
[12:07] <didrocks> ogra: exactly, as the library isn't so "private" :p
[12:07] <ogra> hehe
[12:16] <ogra> didrocks, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/metacity/ubuntu/revision/99 can you do a quick crosscheck before i upload ?
[12:16] <ogra> uuuh
[12:16]  * ogra forgot bzr add
[12:17] <didrocks> "classic" :-)
[12:17] <ogra> me adds and pushes rev 100
[12:18] <ogra> the rest is in 99
[12:18]  * didrocks looks
[12:20] <didrocks> ogra: sounds good!
[12:20] <didrocks> please upload :)
[12:20] <ogra> great, i'll upload and take care of compiz (unless you upload anyway inbetween)
[12:20] <didrocks> ogra: I can upload the rebuild, I'll remove an option and dep on the new version
[12:21] <ogra> ok
[13:00] <ogra> didrocks, wheer the heck do you hide the gconf and .session files ? i cant find a -default-settings package anywhere in natty
[13:00]  * ogra is looking into renaming the session file etc
[13:01] <didrocks> ogra: it's in gnome-session-common now
[13:01] <ogra> ah
[13:01] <didrocks> ogra: you should put that as part of the unity-2d package I think
[13:01] <ogra> well, we have unity-2d-default-settings
[13:02] <ogra> i'd like to not break away to much from the oem team naming so upgrading for people using the ppa doesnt get to hard
[13:02] <ogra> (read: i planned to keep the package as is for now, we can migrate in natty+1)
[13:05] <didrocks> ogra: as you wish, just ensure that you'll have to transition then :)
[13:06] <ogra> yeah, i'll check with Kaleo ... i just want a sane upgrade path without to many transitional packages
[13:07] <didrocks> ogra: you will need for natty+1 in any case, it's just pushing the transition one cycle away
[13:07] <Kaleo> ogra: I think it's better to upgrade asap
[13:07] <Kaleo> ogra: less people are using natty now than when it's released
[13:08] <ogra> didrocks, yep, Kaleo just told me he plans to do the change in the ppa too
[13:08] <ogra> so i'm fine
[13:08] <didrocks> nice :)
[13:08] <ogra> my main focus is just to keep ppa and natty in sync from now on ...
[13:09] <ogra> (before it was to have -2d installable at all ;) )
[13:10] <ogra> which reminds me, i need to touch all packages to add the new Vcs-Bzr entries :)
[13:10]  * ogra stops slacking and looks at the branches
[13:13] <Kaleo> ogra: item on my todo list:  * packages: update Vcs-Bzr in debian/control for libqtbamf, libqtdee and libqtgconf
[13:14] <Kaleo> ogra: thank you for taking over my tasks I really appreciate it
[13:14] <ogra> haha
[13:14] <Kaleo> (my todo list is huge since Friday)
[13:14] <ogra> my team messed it up, so my team should fix it
[13:14] <ogra> and given that these US westcoast slackers always sleep until 4pm ...
[13:14] <ogra> *g*
[13:15] <ogra> so i'm looking into it
[13:18] <ogra> but first of all ... lets try to upgrade my arm netbook to natty
[13:20] <ogra> ah, crap, wont work without new QT
[13:27] <Kaleo> ogra: don't forget to push the change pof
[13:27] <Kaleo> ogra: don't forget to push the change of Vcs-Bzr to their respective trunks
[13:31] <ogra> Kaleo, hmm, something is wrong with libqtbamf ... its a native sourcepackage
[13:31] <ogra> (in the ppa)
[13:31] <ogra> i'm just recompiling the ppa stuff locally for arm
[13:34] <nq6> hi
[13:34] <nq6> New idea for unity. Video Sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N5W48zJMdM
[13:34] <ogra> Kaleo, the others all look fine, not sure what happened there
[13:35] <ogra> hrm, no, not true, unity-2d too
[13:35] <ogra> is that because of your hudson stuff ?
[13:35] <Kaleo> ogra: yes
[13:36] <ogra> hrm
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: it removes the format file before building
[13:36] <ogra> thats really ugly
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: just for the ppa
[13:36] <ogra> still
[13:36] <Kaleo> ogra: I don't have any other option at hand
[13:36]  * ogra wishes we could find a way to not break the packaging for daily builds
[13:36]  * Kaleo prays
[13:37] <ogra> you think religion works ? ... hmm :)
[13:37] <Kaleo> lol
[13:37] <Kaleo> kamstrup: thanks for the quick response I will look into it
[13:38] <ogra> i wonder if we cant just put a bzr export ... rm debian tar ... into the reciepe
[13:38] <ogra> so we get a proper upstream tarball
[13:38] <Kaleo> ogra: that sounds smart
[13:53] <Amaranth> nq6: arg, music
[13:53] <Amaranth> nq6: although, I think that overloads the sidebar
[14:07] <ogra> Kaleo, fyi, i can confirm the blue crap is gone on my tegra ac100 with the latest ppa packages
[14:11] <ogra> the bamding is also a lot better in 0.4
[14:12] <ogra> *banding
[14:21] <Kaleo> ogra: sweet
[15:02] <klattimer1> tedg: kenvandine I wont be uploading datetime today, I've had to do some extra work getting eds right and still need to rebase to gdbus and a few more things
[15:04] <tedg> klattimer1, Please don't rebase, but merge.
[15:05] <tedg> klattimer1, Rebase is an evil thing used by inferior DVCSes :)
[15:05] <shirish> sladen: highlight
[15:05] <klattimer1> ok ok
[15:05] <klattimer1> :)
[15:06] <klattimer1> Uh oh
[15:06] <klattimer1> evilvish:
[15:07] <klattimer1> what have you done with vish
[15:07]  * klattimer1 forsee's some kind of superman 3 esq- rescue coming along
[15:07] <evilvish> :-D
[15:13] <shirish> ivanka1: are you the same ivanka whom I had mailed sometime back ?
[15:28] <jcastro> DBO: ping
[15:28] <DBO> pong
[15:28] <jcastro> DBO: wanna do an ubuntu user day on Unity with me?
[15:28] <jcastro> it's on a saturday night though
[15:29] <DBO> sure
[15:29] <DBO> hey, I love working weekends, its like my favorite thing :P
[15:29] <jcastro> it's 1/29, 9pm-10
[15:29] <Amaranth> Oh, it's DBO!
[15:30] <DBO> no its not
[15:30] <DBO> DIRTY LIE
[15:30] <DBO> jcastro, its on my calendar now
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: I have to put my mouse on the panel to make the launcher appear when I have intellihide enabled
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: This is broken
[15:30] <DBO> Amaranth, you are acting like I design this thing
[15:30] <DBO> thats a very silly way to act
[15:30] <Amaranth> DBO: gord blames you :P
[15:31] <DBO> please take design complaints to the ayatana mailing list
[15:31] <DBO> gord is just passing the buck, like I am, nothing new to see
[15:31] <DBO> I just happen to know where the buck stops :P
[15:31] <Amaranth> DBO: Whenever I complain about something else you say you only handle the launcher :)
[15:32] <DBO> Amaranth, you'd be surprised how handy it can be to complain to the person responsible for what you are complaining about
[15:32] <DBO> :)
[15:32] <gord> i only said to bug DBO because he knows more about it ;)
[15:32] <gord> i'm as bemused as you!
[15:32] <Amaranth> DBO: But you're my go-to guy for complaining
[15:33] <DBO> Amaranth, and thats quite alright for me, because if you complain to me it costs me 30 seconds of time. If you complain to someone with power to change it, it might cost me a lot more dev time.
[15:34] <Amaranth> DBO: You're not making this very fun
[15:34] <DBO> Amaranth, Im having fun
[15:34] <DBO> maybe we need clowns
[15:35] <Amaranth> Clowns are always helpful
[15:41] <jcastro> DBO: this should have been in the last upload right? Bug #688406?
[15:42] <DBO> jcastro, I thought it was fixed earlier but yeah
[15:49] <sladen> shirish: hello
[15:50] <shirish> sladen: finally, but right now doing something else, I would ping you in about 20 odd minutes, is that ok ?
[15:51] <sladen> shirish: anytime
[15:52] <shirish> sladen: Got it done sooner than I expected.
[15:52] <shirish> sladen: Now I don't know how complicated or simple this is gonna be.
[15:54]  * popey tickles DBO under the command of jcastro
[15:56] <popey> DBO: I'd like to add an icon to the launcher (as I used to add to the panel in Ye Olde GNOME), but I need to specify command line parameters - e.g. "firefox --ProfileManager", how can I do that with the unity launcher? I see no way to edit the entries that exist in that menu.
[15:56] <DBO> popey, the best you can do is make a new .desktop file
[15:56] <DBO> and then make that a favorite
[15:56] <shirish> sladen: this is something I need to figure out first http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/msg01128.html
[15:57] <popey> DBO: there's no way to maintain that menu other than by some magic with a .desktop file?
[15:57] <DBO> popey, currently no
[15:58] <DBO> popey, nobody has asked me to make a change to do that really
[16:00] <popey> DBO: I am guessing a wishlist bug isn't going to help here.
[16:30] <\sh> didrocks: you remember the problem I described this morning? now, gnome-session foo is not started correctly under unity (I have now the default gnome/gtk theme) and now the launcher works
[16:31] <didrocks> \sh: you mean, you have gnome-panel?
[16:32] <\sh> didrocks: well, if that means, that ps -ef|grep gnome-panel gives a match, no
[16:32] <didrocks> \sh: what do you mean by "gnome-session foo is not started correctly under unity"
[16:32] <didrocks> \sh: no theme?
[16:32] <\sh> all icons are not ubuntu theme alike...they are more gnome standard
[16:33] <didrocks> \sh: gnome-settings-daemon is maybe segfaulting
[16:33] <\sh> but now the launcher works with right clicks on the run app icons
[16:33] <didrocks> we have some bugs about that
[16:33] <didrocks> if you logout/login, it should be started again
[16:33] <\sh> at least it runs
[16:33] <didrocks> or you can launch it by hand
[16:33] <\sh> what I mean is gnome-settings-daemon runs
[16:34] <\sh> but what I can see  in .xsession-errors is that gnome.settings-daemon : Unable to start xsettings manager
[16:34] <\sh> and that I can only run one xsettings manager at a time...
[16:35] <\sh> further more: gnome-session: Could not launch application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop" and I/O warning: failed to load entity "/home/<myuser>/.compiz/session/<hash>"
[16:37] <\sh> and a nice assertion meaning "UNITY_IS_ROOT_ACCESSIBLE (self)" failed...
[16:39] <didrocks> \sh: weird, not related to gnome-session in any case
[16:39] <didrocks> \sh: you should try at least to kill it and start it again
[16:40] <\sh> yes..killed settings daemon, restart -> the look we all want
[16:41] <\sh> could it be, I was logged in a ubuntu classic  session and then logged out and reloggedin into unity
[16:43] <didrocks> \sh: well, it will be an interesting gnome-settings-daemon but report if you can reproduce it reliably
[16:43] <\sh> let me start from scratch, reboot login into classic session etc.
[16:52] <\sh> didrocks: as always, not reproducable...*banghead*
[16:52] <didrocks> :/
[17:02] <shoonya> Hi all, i am trying to install unity on Fedora 14. I have got everything required for unity (3.2.8) and unity itself compiled and installed.
[17:02] <shoonya> when i enable unity plugin in ccsm, i get following error
[17:02] <shoonya> GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity.Launcher' is not installed
[17:03] <shoonya> can someone help me resolve this issue
[18:05] <sense> shoonya: Maybe GSettings isn't properly set up on your system.
[18:06] <shoonya> sense: how to set it ?
[18:07] <sense> shoonya: If Fedora 14 is already using GSettings you should check whether Unity's GSettings schemes are already installed.
[18:07] <sense> I don't know how you can install gsettings schemes, you'll have to look that up.
[18:15] <shoonya> gsettings is available in F14. Any idea how to set unity's gsettings ?
[18:17] <seb128> how did you install unity?
[18:17] <seb128> is the unity schemas in usr share glib-2.0 schemas
[18:20] <shoonya> seb128: i installed it manually (created an rpm) and here's the list of files of the unity package
[18:20] <shoonya> http://fpaste.org/5BjE/
[18:21] <seb128> you need to run glib-compile-schemas
[18:21] <seb128> on the schemas dir after install
[18:21] <seb128> not sure if your rpm does that?
[18:21] <shoonya> no, i will run glib-compile-schemas and check
[18:24] <shoonya> tried glib-compile-schemas /etc/gconf/schemas and got the following message
[18:24] <shoonya> No schema files found: doing nothing
[18:29] <seb128> you need to run it on the gsettings directory
[18:30] <seb128> usr share glib-2.0 schemas
[18:34] <shoonya> got it and unity is not working on fedora
[18:34] <seb128> how not working?
[18:34] <seb128> what version did you build? what compiz version do you use?
[18:37] <shoonya> unity = 3.2.8 with compiz = latest git (compiz-with-glib-mainloop)
[18:38] <seb128> what error do you get?
[18:39] <shoonya> oops... typo error i meant to say now working
[18:45] <seb128> ok
[19:07] <achiang> http://twitter.com/#!/havocp/status/27790993600282624
[20:01] <Amaranth> weird, my launcher suddenly has a shadow
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg: In case you missed the email or you don't get merge proposals via email for indicator-applet-developers, here is my merge proposal for the accessible name change. Feel free to leave it unmerged at this stage, as I want to get everthing else finished fist.
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg:
[22:26] <TheMuso> tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~themuso/libindicator/accessible-name/+merge/46699
[22:27] <TheMuso> damn terminal cut and paste shortcut not working until I use the menu.../
[22:33] <tedg> TheMuso, Yeah, sorry, I saw it but didn't review.  Let me do that now.
[22:33] <TheMuso> np
[22:43] <TheMuso> tedg: Thanks, as I said I'd rather not merge till everything else is ready, thanks for the suggestion, will do that.
[22:43] <tedg> TheMuso, Yeah, no problem.  I won't merge it until you give the green light.
[22:43] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[23:41] <jono_> kenvandine, ping?