[14:38] <logikos> because the stupid ppl adding them are to lazy to just print to pdf or save as .txt
[14:38] <logikos> *sigh*
[14:38] <logikos> lol
[14:38] <newnoobguy> I have having problems installing mono
[14:39] <OerHeks> newnoobguy, that is normal, 13.10 is EOL, servers offline, upgrade please
[14:39] <newnoobguy> what is the easy way to upgrade?
[14:40] <SchrodingersScat> logikos: sorry, no clue then. there's a couple things in the cache when i search for outlook, i assume you've read over those
[14:41] <cfhowlett> !lts | newnoobguy, suggest you install latest LTS 14.04.3
[14:42] <logikos> SchrodingersScat: yeah, thanks I may have found something worth trying here - http://askubuntu.com/questions/24884/how-do-i-view-an-outlook-msg-file
[14:42] <logikos> we'll see how it goes
[14:49] <toon_> Can I execute a script at first SFTP login?
[14:50] <courrier_> Hey guys! I'm installing the latest version of virtualbox on 14.04.03 from a deb since the package in the repos is old, but I'm wondering: does it mean that this package won't be updated anymore not it's manually installed? e.g. after installing version 5.x from a deb what happens when version >5.x gets available in repos?
[14:50] <cfhowlett> courrier_, hold on there hoss
[14:52] <cfhowlett> courrier_, the repo version and the version from oracle are not the same.  oracle's supports guest additions. i.e. full screen resolution and a couple other goodies.  once installed, it will alert you to upgrades which must be manually installed.
[14:53] <ioria> toon_, i think sftp it's for moving files ... not executing them ... you need ssh, but keep searching ... how knows ...
[14:53] <Dweller_> Hello! Having trouble getting GRUB to install to the SSD rather than the USB used to install Ubuntu. (Ubuntu Server 14.04.1)
[14:54] <ioria> toon_, take a look http://serverfault.com/questions/184308/how-to-execute-a-script-on-sftp-connection
[14:54] <toon_> ioria, it's meant for a download server, once the user logs in via sftp through an external LDAP, I'd like to create some folders etc.
[14:54] <toon_> ioria, and mount some stuff
[14:56] <courrier_> cfhowlett: do you mean that the repo version does not support guest additions at all? Weird... I guess I've been using them many times in the past (repo version + additions). I need a newer version cause the additions fail to install ("unknown version of the X window system"), that's all
[14:56] <cfhowlett> courrier_, they are 2 different creatures.  I've not used the repo version in years, but at one point, it did NOT support guest additions.
[14:57] <cfhowlett> courrier_, fwiw, I just installed the oracle 5 version + additions - no problems.
[14:58] <dsdssd> can I create private and client keys for ssh on server?
[15:00] <courrier_> cfhowlett: Ok ok. I can at least ensure the repo version has guest additions cause I installed them like 20 minutes ago (Devices > inset guest additions CD image), but it's an old version there, and it does not allow to install the proper X drivers for full screen
[15:03] <Dweller_> How can ensure GRUB is installed on the SSD (along with Ubuntu Server) rather than the USB key I'm installing from?
[15:04] <MeatPopsicle> Is 14.03 or 14.04 the LTS? I am trying to DL Xubuntu but only see 14.04
[15:04] <cfhowlett> MeatPopsicle, there is no 14.03.   14.04.3
[15:04] <cfhowlett> !lts
[15:05] <MeatPopsicle> ok cool I guess I misread version numbers before, not a smart man sometimes
[15:06] <reisio> Dweller_: point it at your ssd
[15:08] <Dweller_> reisio, I'm now sure how to point it at the SSD. During install I was able to choose where to install Ubuntu, but from what I've read GRUB defaults to the USB, and I didn't see any option to point it on install.
[15:09] <Dweller_> reisio, I have tried to re-install it to the SSD from the Ubuntu terminal using question #3 from this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2188730
[15:09] <Dweller_> but to no avail.
[15:09] <newnoobguy> I am trying to upgrade ubuntu 13.10
[15:09] <newnoobguy> when I run updaet-manager it can not fetch
[15:09] <OerHeks> You might have an UEFI bios?
[15:09] <OerHeks> !uefi
[15:09] <reisio> Dweller_: I doubt it'd default to the USB
[15:10] <cfhowlett> newnoobguy, 13.10 is end of life and no longer support.
[15:10] <Dweller_> Thanks OerHeks, I'll try that.
[15:10] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | newnoobguy
[15:10] <newnoobguy> thanks
[15:14] <adrian_1908> hello. I need to install freeglut 2.8 (instead of more recent version). Is there a way to do this via the package manager?
[15:14] <cfhowlett> !find freeglut
[15:15] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeglut
[15:16] <OerHeks> trusty vivid are on 2.8.1
[15:18] <adrian_1908> OerHeks: Yeah, I see. weird. Not being on 2.8 was a suggested solution for a problem I was having. I'll have to see if I have a more recent version that conflicts with it.
[15:18] <AEL-H> How can I assume a pty as though it were my terminal?
[15:18] <AEL-H> So being able to read and write to it in realtime
[15:21] <OerHeks> AEL-H, login with ssh ?
[15:21] <newnoobguy> Are these terminal commands:
[15:21] <newnoobguy> ## EOL upgrade sources.list
[15:21] <newnoobguy> # Required
[15:21] <newnoobguy> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse
[15:21] <newnoobguy> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[15:21] <newnoobguy> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME-security main restricted universe multiverse
[15:23] <newguynoob> when I run command "sudo aptitude install update-manager-core update-manager"
[15:23] <newguynoob> I get "sudo: aptitude: command not found
[15:23] <newguynoob> "
[15:23] <skittishtrigger> I am doing my first major server transfer(from one host to another)I would love to be able to do some type of image deal and transfer the whole thing at once so I can shut down one server and update the other and take off. Is this possible with Ubuntu and not having physical access?
[15:25] <cfhowlett> skittishtrigger, ask #ubuntu-server channel
[15:26] <skittishtrigger> ah, ok. thank you cfhowlett!
[15:28] <OerHeks> newguynoob, replace aptitude with apt-get
[15:28] <newguynoob> OerHeks
[15:28] <newguynoob> May I have the command to do that
[15:28] <AEL-H> OerHeks : Sorry I should have been more specific. Say for example I ssh in as user X from my laptop (but do not start a screen or something like that) and this creates /dev/pts/3. Then I ssh as root on my computer -- and I would like to be able to be able to read and write to the same terminal as user X such that it shows up on the laptop in real time. The closest I have gotten to this effect is sharing the same screen session, but I would like to be
[15:28] <newguynoob> I am on ubuntu 13.10
[15:29] <OerHeks> after you added old-releases to your sources.list
[15:29] <newguynoob> what is the command to add old-releases to sources.list?
[15:29] <newguynoob> Or I need to find and open the file
[15:29] <OerHeks> edit manually, gksudo gedit .. see that wiki
[15:30] <newguynoob> Do you know the path of sources.list
[15:30] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, slow down, amigo.  read the wiki.  take it step by careful step.  no shortcuts.
[15:30] <OerHeks> after that update etc
[15:30] <OerHeks> ... why do i have to copy that here?
[15:30] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | newguynoob
[15:30] <newguynoob> ubottu I am at that page
[15:31] <newguynoob> I am new that is why I do not know a lot of basics
[15:31] <newguynoob> I appreciate your help
[15:31] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, and that is why you should read EVERYTHING before you do anything.  :)
[15:32] <Synopsis> I've installed 15.04 server on an old laptop...playing around with some stuff...Can someone tell me how to make it auto login a non-root account?  Everything I find on google seems to be outdated
[15:33] <Synopsis> And I honestly know extremely little about linux...I'm playing around with this to maybe turn into a digital picture frame
[15:34] <newguynoob> I found sources.list file
[15:35] <newguynoob> I went in and added the new path as instructed in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[15:35] <newguynoob> then I ran "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder"
[15:35] <pauljw> Synopsis, go to system settings; user accounts; select the user and turn on autologin
[15:35] <newguynoob> getting "sudo: aptitude: command not found
[15:35] <newguynoob> "
[15:35] <telboon> Synosis: i believe you can do an auto-login through setup - user accounts
[15:36] <newguynoob> sorry I ran "sudo aptitude install update-manager-core update-manager"
[15:36] <newguynoob> getting "sudo: aptitude: command not found
[15:36] <telboon> Synosis you can access the settings through the power icon on top right
[15:36] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, NOT aptitude: apt-get
[15:36] <Namikaze> instead of aptitude you can use apt-get install
[15:36] <newguynoob> thanks let me try
[15:37] <Synopsis> @telboon: installed server, not desktop, no gui
[15:37] <Synopsis> @pauljw ^
[15:37] <Synopsis> :)
[15:38] <pauljw> saw that Synopsis , not familiar enough with cli to help you with your problem
[15:38] <Synopsis> i found this article: http://askubuntu.com/questions/656250/automatic-login-for-ubuntu-server-15-04
[15:39] <TJ-> Synopsis: Yes, it is possible. You'd edit the init system's startup script for tty1 so that instead of starting "/bin/login" it'd do something like "/bin/bash tty1"
[15:39] <Synopsis> and followed the link there
[15:39] <cfhowlett> Synopsis, ask #ubuntu-server
[15:39] <Synopsis> it wanted me to edit a file and uncomment NO_PASSWORD_CONSOLE  but that had a comment above it saying it was no longer supported
[15:39] <Synopsis> @cfhowlett, k
[15:40] <Synopsis> @tj, what is the startup script? which file would I edit
[15:40] <TJ-> Synopsis: 15.04 has systemd doesn't it? so there will be unit files for the ttys... I don't use 15.04 so can't tell you where to find those, but changing them is how to do an auto-login
[15:41] <Synopsis> i dont know what systemd is, i said I know nothing about linux :)
[15:42] <newguynoob> When I run sudo apt-get update I get "W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[15:42] <newguynoob> "
[15:42] <newguynoob> More like that
[15:42] <TJ-> Synopsis: If you're planning on making this into a digital photo frame, then will you want a GUI to do that? If so, it's *much* easier to configure the display manager (lightdm) to do auto-login, than a console session
[15:42] <pauljw> knowing nothing about linux and starting by installing a server isn't the best way to start, Synopsis.  i would start reading beginning books on linux if it were me.
[15:42] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, you were suppposed to upgrade your sources.list first.  quantal is dead/endoflife/not supportd
[15:43] <OerHeks> newguynoob, so you are on 12.10, not 13.10
[15:43] <Synopsis> fbi works fine so far in my testing
[15:43] <newguynoob> cfhowlett I did go into sources.list and added those line
[15:43] <Synopsis> no gui needed :)
[15:43] <OerHeks> that would take 12.10 > 13.04 >13.10 > 14.04
[15:43] <newguynoob> Were there line I was suposse to delete
[15:43] <newguynoob> I could not find them
[15:44] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, then you should do this the easy way.  DO NOT upgrade.  download the .iso, make an ubuntu USB, boot the USB and install
[15:44] <OerHeks> newguynoob, download a fresh 14,04 iso, and make an USB and reinstall, fastest way
[15:44] <newguynoob> I am on 13.10
[15:44] <OerHeks> !quantal
[15:44] <cfhowlett> !quantal
[15:44] <newguynoob> I will do that
[15:44] <newguynoob> thank you
[15:44] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, you're sourceslist thinks you're on 12.10.
[15:44] <newguynoob> I run on a dual boot
[15:44] <newguynoob> Will that cause any issue with fresh ubuntu install?
[15:44] <TJ-> Synopsis: OK, so you need to investigate systemd unit files that configure the virtual terminals (tty1 through tty6 usually), and change one so it executes bash not login, so it'd look something like "/sbin/agetty -l /bin/bash 9600 tty1"
[15:45] <cfhowlett> newguynoob, what OS?
[15:45] <newguynoob> dual boot with windows 10
[15:45] <newguynoob> grub is the boot handler
[15:45] <Synopsis> a lot of the articles I found told me to add -a <myuser> to the end of lines like that, but the files dont exist on this box...they did when I installed desktop
[15:46] <newguynoob> guys thank you for your support I am going to go now. Going to try to download 14.04 .iso and install
[15:54] <AEL-H>  Say for example I ssh in as user X from my laptop (but do not start a screen or something like that) and this creates /dev/pts/3. Then I ssh as root on my computer -- and I would like to be able to be able to read and write to the same terminal as user X such that it shows up on the laptop in real time. The closest I have gotten to this effect is sharing the same screen session, but I would like to be able to do this without screen. Any ideas?
[16:21] <ash_work> what file do you edit to permanently add command aliases?
[16:22] <LtL> ~/.bashrc ash_work
[16:22] <ash_work> LtL: thanks
[16:22] <Kanpirila> How can I list all installed packages in terminal, sorting them by name, but also showing the installation date?
[16:35] <baizon> hi, how can i read my gpu clock (amd radeon 6870)?
[16:41] <OerHeks> aticonfig --odgc will fetch the clock rates, and aticonfig --odgt will fetch the temperature data.
[16:41] <baizon> OerHeks: im using the open source drivers
[16:42] <OerHeks> oh
[16:42] <OerHeks> that, i don't know.
[16:42] <tiblock> Hi. Is there some package to restart command when it exits? Like "autorestart python myserver.py" so when server crashes he will be automatically back again. Or only custom bash scripts with while(1)?
[16:42] <OerHeks> for nvidia it is nvidia-smi
[16:42] <baizon> tiblock: you will have to write a script that checks it
[16:42] <cfhowlett>  tiblock good question for #ubuntu-server
[16:43] <tiblock> baizon, i did, but if there is no sleep of 1 second then you can't kill server with Ctrl+C it will immediately start back up
[16:43] <thurstylark> What is the appropriate channel for asking about Cinnamon? Specifically about panel applets.
[16:44] <TJ-> tiblock: most daemon services are controlled by the init process, which has a respawn option
[16:45] <tiblock> TJ-, does that mean that i can modify something to auto-restart mysql? (since it crashes some times)
[16:46] <TJ-> tiblock: You'd need to look at mysqld's init script. It could be a sysv init, upstart, or systemd depending on which release of Ubuntu it is
[16:46] <cfhowlett> thurstylark, !mint developed cinnamon so they're the experts.
[16:46] <tiblock> TJ-, thank you, i will look into that
[16:47] <user1234> Ubuntu sucks!
[16:47] <compdoc> Ubuntu is the the best
[16:48] <cfhowlett> user1234, play somewhere else please.
[16:48] <user1234> -> #trisquel - best distro ever
[16:49] <thurstylark> cfhowlett: ahh, their channel is on spotchat, isn't it?
[16:49] <cfhowlett> thurstylark, #linuxmint-dev (on irc.spotchat.org)
[16:49] <thurstylark> cfhowlett: alrighty. Thanks!
[16:49] <cfhowlett> thurstylark, happy2help!
[16:51] <g105b> Please can someone help me with recovering a folder? rm -rf /path/to/dir has been run by accident, and I want to get the directory back if possible. Before you ask, no I haven't knowingly backed up the folder, because it's just for testing purposes, but a lot of hours have gone into the contents of the directory.
[16:51] <somsip> !recover | g105b
[16:51] <cfhowlett> g105b, rm -rf is typically pretty final but MAYBE recovery is possible.
[16:51] <OerHeks> baizon, then al you have is lmsensors, i guess
[16:52] <OerHeks> only temp
[16:52] <baizon> OerHeks: ok, thanks
[16:53] <OerHeks> it should be possible, viewing performance open ati driver.
[17:15] <TJ-> Can someone with 15.04 vivid confirm that "man 5 systemd.unit" shows the correct page?
[17:16] <reisio> you'd have to definen correct, no?
[17:17] <OerHeks> http://imgur.com/EmifTZS
[17:17] <reisio> and even define
[17:17] <reisio> quiet in here
[17:17] <LtL> TJ-: yes its correct
[17:17] <OerHeks> is it the right page?
[17:17] <reisio> people-dont-talk-in-quiet-channels phenomenon?
[17:18] <TJ-> LtL: Thank-you. Synopsis in #ubuntu-server reported that no page was found on 15.04, and I checked the package contents and saw it is there
[17:19] <LtL> TJ-: you're welcome
[17:19] <TJ-> I stick with LTS and didn't have a VM handy to check it with
[17:20] <LtL> OerHeks: were you talkng to me? yes it's the right page.
[17:20] <ejat> anyone can help me explain why there is 153 packages not upgrade ?
[17:20] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12142510/
[17:22] <anonymous_> hello
[17:23] <TJ-> LtL: Sorted. The user was typing a hyphen not a full-stop between the words
[17:24] <usbehci> Hello. Whats wrong with ubuntu 14.04.3 iso? I hear voice of reaching desktop on background but my laptop screen is only black.
[17:26] <luch1n> tengo un problema con ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[17:26] <luch1n> alguien puede ayudarme mandeme privado please
[17:26] <wileee> !nomodeset | usbehci try this boot
[17:26] <luch1n> hola
[17:26] <luch1n> alguien que hable espaniol _
[17:27] <luch1n> ???
[17:27] <wileee> !es
[17:27] <luch1n> gracias wileee
[17:27] <luch1n> !
[17:27] <wileee> np
[17:27] <usbehci> ubottu: I experienced that command 2 months ago while I was trying to install fedora 22. I couldn't get my graphics card driver work though
[17:28] <wileee> usbehci, nomodeset is for a low graphic boot
[17:29] <usbehci> wileee: yes I know that. I only wonder if I need to put that parameter to boot my installed system after.
[17:30] <wileee> usbehci, you wont know till you get there, you're booting a live now. If you can name the graphic card now it would help probably.
[17:30] <usbehci> it is something with systemd, ati graphics card, activating graphic card processes after grub. I don't know what is the real problem actually. Internet do not help with this issue
[17:31] <usbehci> And not only ubuntu. Some other newest distros put me in same state too. Only thing I wonder I never had problem with 14.04.2 iso. This issue appeared with 14.04.3
[17:33] <wileee> usbehci, at this point our job is to get you to the desktop if that is what you want.
[17:33] <usbehci> wileee: I can reach it by using nomodeset as you mentioned.
[17:33] <usbehci> But the issue is I want to reach desktop without it
[17:33] <wileee> usbehci, is that an amd card?
[17:34] <usbehci> ati hd 5000 series mobility radeon
[17:34] <wileee> usbehci, You just going to run the live? Or are you trying to see it work before installing?
[17:35] <cfhowlett> amd is likely the least linux friendly gpu at present.
[17:35] <usbehci> wileee: I actually know it works. On the background.. Screen do not display anything. It is graphics card related. And after install with nomodeset, I will get 800x600 desktop with mesa driver, not an amd driver.
[17:36] <usbehci> my res 1366x768 though
[17:36] <anna__> Can anybody help me find out which package I might be missing here: Skipping dist/deb_dist/nuitka_0.5.14~pre9+ds-1_amd64.changes: Can't locate Date/Parse.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Date::Parse module)
[17:37] <luch1n> i need close port ipp/631 in ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[17:37] <anna__> I can't figure out, which packagfe provides it and all my Ubuntu pbuilders started to fail... this is e.g. quantal
[17:37] <anna__> but the other releases do too, and they started to only recently
[17:38] <cfhowlett> anna_, can't help you with quantal stuff.  you need to upgrade to a support release for help
[17:38] <luch1n> can i help me _
[17:38] <luch1n> ???
[17:38] <anna__> luch1n, apt-get remove cups
[17:39] <anna__> uhm, which is the last, it has it too :)
[17:39] <luch1n> root@kep:/etc/init.d# nmap localhost
[17:39] <luch1n> Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-08-21 14:39 ART
[17:39] <luch1n> Nmap scan report for localhost (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[17:39] <luch1n> Host is up (0.0000020s latency).
[17:39] <luch1n> Not shown: 999 closed ports
[17:39] <luch1n> PORT    STATE SERVICE
[17:39] <anna__> There is says: Skipping dist/deb_dist/nuitka_0.5.14~pre9+ds-1_amd64.changes: Can't locate Date/Parse.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Date::Parse module)
[17:40] <luch1n> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12142671/ my problem
[17:40] <luch1n> i need close to 631/ipp port
[17:40] <luch1n> slkadj
[17:42] <Pici> luch1n: is it actually open to the outside? what does sudo netstat -tanp | grep 631 say?
[17:42] <luch1n> pici yes.. the port 631 is open
[17:43] <luch1n> check in http://paste.ubuntu.com/12142671/ my problem
[17:43] <Pici> luch1n: well, that command would also tell you what process has it open, and what address is listening on it.
[17:44] <OerHeks> anna__, nuitka seams to appear in Trusty. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nuitka
[17:45] <anna__> well, i am the author of it, trying to build updates :)
[17:45] <OerHeks> little useless for an EOL version, quantal 12.10
[17:45] <luch1n> Pici,
[17:45] <luch1n> thx
[17:46] <luch1n> anna_, thx !
[17:46] <anna__> and lintian gives the error
[17:46] <luch1n> my problem is resolved
[17:46] <luch1n> i dont see error
[17:46] <luch1n> finish problem
[17:46] <luch1n> >P
[17:46] <luch1n> thanks you Pici and anna__
[17:46] <luch1n> !!!
[17:51] <ottomatik> Hi are there data structures that mark  the used space on disk?
[17:52] <moss> Hello.  I am using GlusterFS and it is failing to mount my gluster volume on boot because start: Unknown job: static-network-up
[17:52] <moss> Can someone help me troubleshoot this please?
[17:52] <moss> It seems that upstart is garbage.
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> ottomatik  df -h
[17:53] <anna__> is there some sort of developer channel that I can ask my question at?
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> anna__  #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:53] <ottomatik> MonkeyDust, i meant in the file system
[17:55] <ProxyHash3d> Question - Reformatted my NTFS 1tb pocket drive to ext4 for exclusive linux use using Gparted, formatted properly but when I plug the drive in to use/move/copy files it is only recognized half the time. Research indicated i needed to establish ownership of the drive and did so. Problem still continues. Drive is recognized half the time or worse the ubu will open multiple drive windows as if it were being disconnected and reconne
[17:55] <ProxyHash3d> cted over and over. Help plz
[17:56] <daftykins> ProxyHash3d: watch "dmesg | tail" as you plug it in and see what's happening
[17:59] <jetsaredim> is anyone else getting "random" 404 errors on some of the metadata files for vivid?
[17:59] <jetsaredim> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eauvz2rh
[18:00] <daftykins> jetsaredim: DNS issues?
[18:00] <arooni-mobile> i have a lenovo t420 laptop with 8GB of RAM.  Did I mess things up by accidentally installing the 32bit version of ubuntu?
[18:00] <jetsaredim> daftykins: I can't see why it would be that given that other files didn't fail
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: if your laptop is 64bit, better install 64bit
[18:01] <arooni-mobile> how can i learn of my laptop is 64bit
[18:01] <arooni-mobile> apparently i'm running the 32 bit version of ubuntu :\
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: if the installer of 64bit ubuntu works, your system is 64bit
[18:01] <daftykins> jetsaredim: check if you can hit those paths manually.
[18:02] <daftykins> arooni-mobile: tell us your CPU
[18:02] <daftykins> ('cat /proc/cpuinfo')
[18:02] <arooni-mobile> daftykins, intel i5-2520
[18:02] <daftykins> that's definitely 64-bit capable then
[18:02] <daftykins> arooni-mobile: now paste to chat the single line of "uname -a"
[18:02] <arooni-mobile> Linux ThinkpadArooni 3.19.0-25-generic #26~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 24 21:18:00 UTC 2015 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:02] <jetsaredim> daftykins: no - but there are similar files there - not sure why unless they got moved?
[18:03] <daftykins> yep looks like you grabbed the wrong ISO arooni-mobile
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: your system will perform better/faster on 64bit version of ubuntu
[18:03] <arooni-mobile> well now i'm happy i installed a separate /root/ partition
[18:03] <daftykins> jetsaredim: either switch to a new mirror or talk to the lovely people in #ubuntu-mirrors
[18:03] <jetsaredim> daftykins: example being - http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/universe/source/Sources - there is a Sources.gz there but that's it
[18:04] <arooni-mobile> so i can download the 64bit version of ubuntu and then keep my /home/ directory and tell it to wipe the /root/ partition ?
[18:04] <daftykins> arooni-mobile: yep, though not /root/ but / :)
[18:04] <arooni-mobile> yeah;  so i shouldnt' really lose any data
[18:04] <daftykins>  /root is the root user's home ;)
[18:04] <arooni-mobile> but ill have to reinstall all packages right
[18:04] <daftykins> nope just installed apps unless you backup + restore
[18:04] <arooni-mobile> so i should make a list of all packages that i'd like to install
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: or use aptoncd to backup your installed packages
[18:04] <daftykins> there are many ways to accomplish backing up a package list and reusing it
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> !info aptoncd | arooni-mobile
[18:05] <arooni-mobile> i want this one:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: good choice
[18:05] <arooni-mobile> what an idiot i am;  the installer should have a warning that says, "you know your system is 64bit compatible, you sure you want to install the 32bit version"
[18:06] <arooni-mobile> how will installing the 64 bit version of ubuntu improve performance ?
[18:06] <daftykins> arooni-mobile: well if you have >4GB RAM it'll be able to address it
[18:06] <daftykins> so there's that
[18:06] <arooni-mobile> so a 32bit system cant see more than 4GB of ram?
[18:06] <OerHeks> bigger and more registers in the cpu, and functions.
[18:06] <daftykins> in laymans terms, yes
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: 64bit architecture is built to be faster= improve
[18:07] <ProxyHash3d> Dafty - when you get a moment, you seem busy atm - what am i looking for under "dmesg | tail"? see my wireless going out and this: :~$ dmesg | tail
[18:07] <ProxyHash3d> [34905.784165] ata3: EH pending after 5 tries, giving up
[18:07] <ProxyHash3d> [34905.784178] ata3: EH complete
[18:07] <daftykins> !paste | ProxyHash3d you can use this to share some output in full, marking when you connect and disconnect the drive
[18:07] <OerHeks> maybe 32 bit is slower on a 64 bit cpu
[18:07] <daftykins> OerHeks: i think it's pretty fast since it has twice the registers :D
[18:07] <daftykins> back in a couple
[18:07] <arooni-mobile> lotuspsychje, if i make a list of packages that way, dont i have to burn that iso to a disc to be able to install those packages?
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: yep, or backup on hd
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: you can use sudo apt-get download package also
[18:08] <arooni-mobile> i dont have access to a cd drive at the moment
[18:08] <arooni-mobile> was kinda following: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17823/how-to-list-all-installed-packages
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: a fresh install only takes 30min, you have so much packages installed?
[18:11] <JodaZ> hmm, is there some kind of model to give a user (possibly safe/limited) rights to install things without giving him local root?
[18:12] <arooni-mobile> do package names contain 32bit or 64bit in them?
[18:12] <arooni-mobile> id like not to install a bunch of 32bit packages
[18:13] <arooni-mobile> lotuspsychje, no just dont like think i have a program installed (like xchat) only to find i have to reinstall it again
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: i think you best start over mate, its LTS version so long support
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> JodaZ: having users install things on your system can mean security flaw
[18:13] <arooni-mobile> lotuspsychje, i will certainly;  but i'm just moving from 32bit 14.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS 64 bit
[18:14] <MonkeyDust> JodaZ  you need sudo for any change outside /home ... that goes for installations too (usually /usr/bin)
[18:14] <JodaZ> lotuspsychje, i was specifically asking for a model that allows this without it being a security flaw
[18:14] <daftykins> JodaZ: i missed the question, but by the sounds of it you're asking for something that's not possible :)
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: <JodaZ> hmm, is there some kind of model to give a user (possibly safe/limited) rights to install things without giving him local root?
[18:15] <JodaZ> MonkeyDust, so there is no model to allow this? like some known to not elevate privileges whitelist of packages X for allowing an user "sudo apt-get install X"
[18:15] <daftykins> JodaZ: why not just provide the required packages out of the box? doesn't seem like that big of a task to me.
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> JodaZ  that question doesnt make sense to me, sorry
[18:16] <daftykins> why have the user install the manually at all if you KNOW they need them :)
[18:16] <daftykins> *them
[18:16] <JodaZ> daftykins, how do you know they need them
[18:16] <daftykins> you ask them
[18:16] <daftykins> heh
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> JodaZ: the admin needs to know what users need
[18:16] <JodaZ> yeah, all 1000 users at this institution
[18:17] <daftykins> JodaZ: perhaps explaining more details around the circumstances can reduce our need to mindread
[18:17] <JodaZ> just ask each one what they'd might want to install today
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> JodaZ  what makes you ask that, what do you want to achieve, what brings you here
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> JodaZ: you need to ask yourself what you want the users be doing on the network?
[18:19] <JodaZ> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ris-muenchen.de%2FRII%2FRII%2FDOK%2FANTRAG%2F3745830.pdf&sandbox=1
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> JodaZ: i think you lost us there
[18:21] <daftykins> JodaZ: this reminds me of that US news story where that young lady had to 'quit university' because Ubuntu wouldn't let her do her coursework
[18:21] <JodaZ> daftykins, MonkeyDust, basically some time back the town of munich in germany switched to linux, now some politician wants to switch back to windows because for example they claim no programs can be installed on the linux of these machines
[18:22] <daftykins> JodaZ: so essentially you're saying you're in charge of these laptops and tablets that've come with Linux - and the people they have been supplied to claim they are not fit for purpose?
[18:22] <arooni-mobile> how can i back up a list of  ppa's that i've added
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | arooni-mobile
[18:22] <JodaZ> i am not, daftykins, still i am wondering if there is an actual solution
[18:23] <daftykins> JodaZ: so what *is* your situation? corporate or education?
[18:23] <arooni-mobile> i know what a ppa is.... i want to get a list of ppa's i've added in my 32bit version of ubuntu so i can reinstall to 64bit
[18:23] <JodaZ> daftykins, my situation is that i am wondering about that situation
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> arooni-mobile: did you read what i just triggered? ppa's arent supported officialy
[18:25] <daftykins> JodaZ: ok well if i knew a hypothetical situation then i could suggest something, for example if it were computers in education or corporate, i would have them all attached to Canonical's landscape setup. Then, a default agreed on policy of software applications would be installed as default. Should anyone require anything extra - then they could be deployed via landscape given a computer name etc.
[18:25] <daftykins> JodaZ: however, depending on the circumstances - why can't these users just be given full access anyway? without detail i can't accurately answer.
[18:26] <dsimpson>  Hello there, I've got a .deb that I would like to install using dpkg -i .deb, but when doing this it has an ncurses prompt for one question. How can I answer that question automatically so I can do a hands-off install?
[18:27] <JodaZ> well, for shared machines the admins propably thought it best to not give them full access but thats me speculating; does that problem with nfs trusting a machine if it says its root still exist btw?
[18:28] <bloop> I need some help
[18:28] <daftykins> !details | bloop
[18:28] <bloop> some shared libs in /usr/local/lib isn't being found when I try to run an exe
[18:28] <bloop> no shit sherlock
[18:28] <bloop> I was about to do that
[18:29] <daftykins> well don't walk into a help channel saying you need help in future then :)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> !language | bloop
[18:29] <bloop> or perhaps you can give someone 3 seconds before using your fancy bot
[18:29] <bloop> I know you're all giddy about using a bot and all but give me a second at least to spit out my question
[18:30] <bloop> lotuspsychje is ignored
[18:30] <daftykins> i'd recommend dropping the attitude if you want some assistance for free.
[18:31] <mcerb> What do I need to do to improve audio quality on Linux?
[18:31] <daftykins> mcerb: can you explain your circumstances?
[18:31] <bloop> I'm ignoring everyone that tone polices. I'd appreciate if anyone wants to help to let me know if they can.
[18:31] <bloop> I'm sure it involves an environmental variable of some sort
[18:32] <daftykins> that's a bit tough without an actual question, bloop :D
[18:32] <bloop> but it seems to me that the usr local libs should already be looked up
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> bloop  stick to support questions, repeat it every 15 minutes, until someone enters who can help
[18:32] <mcerb> Well I'm running Linux mint on my hp split x2
[18:32] <bloop> MonkeyDust: OK
[18:32] <ioria> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> !mint | mcerb
[18:33] <mcerb> O ok
[18:33] <bloop> ioria: echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[18:33] <bloop> when I do that it's empty
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: feel free to install an ubuntu version from topic
[18:33] <bloop> at any rate that worked... will that env variable remain even when i close the terminal sesion?
[18:33] <mcerb> I thought this was more of a generic Linux problem
[18:33] <bloop> session, rather
[18:34] <ioria> bloop, maybe you have to set it temporarily
[18:34] <mcerb> I remember audio being lower quality in arch as well
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: alot of things get solved when you install regular ubuntu
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: take a shot at 14.04.3 you will be pleased
[18:36] <mcerb> Are you sure? Don't mint and ubuntu use the same alsa version?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: i dont wanna generalize mate, but alot of mint issues dont arise in ubuntu
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: how about you test a liveusb
[18:37] <daftykins> mcerb: as already mentioned, if you're using Mint - we can't help you
[18:38] <MonkeyDust> mcerb  we don't know what the mint devs have modified, therefore we cannot help
[18:40] <mcerb> So you're saying most people do not experience lower quality audio on Linux compared to Windows?
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> mcerb  stop
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: nobody said that
[18:40] <daftykins> mcerb: until you're running a supported distro there is no point you being in here, sorry.
[18:41] <mcerb> If you can say that then I'd be pretty sure it's a mint problem
[18:41] <daftykins> yeah so install Ubuntu or go chat in Mint's support channel
[18:41] <daftykins> as pointed out as the very first reply :)
[18:42] <mcerb> I can't have a simple question answered before I install?
[18:43] <mcerb> How is the audio quality in ubuntu for most users?
[18:43] <wileee> mcerb, Your fixation on this channel is creepy to be honest.
[18:43] <pbx> mcerb, audio quality is perfect for me.
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: we cant generalize that, but if you install ubuntu we surely will help you after
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> mcerb  click on 'Community' and ask in the mint channel  http://community.linuxmint.com/
[18:43] <daftykins> mcerb: boot a live session and find out.
[18:44] <mcerb> I wanted to ask in a more popular distros channel
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: enough trolling now, you have been pointed towards solutions already
[18:45] <dsimpson>  Hello there, I've got a .deb that I would like to install using dpkg -i .deb, but when doing this it has an ncurses prompt for one question. How can I answer that question automatically so I can do a hands-off install?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> dsimpson: what is this program you trying to install?
[18:46] <dsimpson> lotuspsychje: ossec
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> !info ossec
[18:47] <mcerb> Which download should I use given that I have no cd drive and no internet connection outside of Wi-Fi?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> mcerb: how did you create your mint usb/cd?
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  ignore her
[18:48] <maslen> My ubuntu 14.04 machine has recently began giving me errors that the filesystem is read only and the only way to fix it is restart. How can I prevent these errors in the future?
[18:50] <Bashing-om> maslen: Try : 'sudo touch /forcefsck ; sudo shutdown -r now ' . to run a file sytem check @next boot, and -r to make that happen .
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> dsimpson: i found an #ossec channel, maybe some luck there?
[18:50] <proq> does anyone know if the elf-loader security vulnerability is fixed yet?
[18:50] <dsimpson> lotuspsychje: thank you, I'll try there :)
[18:51] <OerHeks> proq, any bugreport?
[18:51] <dshaeffer> Hi! 1st time IRC user - need system help - anybody there?
[18:51] <ioria> dsimpson, http://serverfault.com/questions/197495/ubuntu-dpkg-non-interactive-installation
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: ask your ubuntu question here
[18:51] <maslen> Bashing-om: When I reboot it does the FS check, but that doesn't prevent it from happening again
[18:51] <vasili111> I just installed Kubuntu. I want to instal Compiz but when I serach in Muon I only get "Compiz Fusion Icon" and "CompizConfig Settings Manager" and no Compiz. Maybe I need aditionals sources links to Muon or maybe something else?
[18:52] <mcerb> I used a Windows program to make a liveUSB and I added some Wi-Fi fix to the modprobe blacklist lotuspsychje
[18:52] <proq> OerHeks: hmm... I'll try to find a CWE
[18:52] <maslen> Bashing-om: Is it possible to see the results from that FS check?
[18:52] <wileee> vasili111, very bad idea
[18:52] <vasili111> wileee: why?
[18:53] <wileee> vasili111, kubuntu has a desktop manager muon right?
[18:53] <vasili111> wileee: yes
[18:53] <dshaeffer> hi lotus, i've been using ubuntu as an alternate to windows for a few months (upgraded to 14.04 recently) - both versions had problem with mouse & i'd like some advice on how to resolve
[18:53] <proq> OerHeks: https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2023/DEF%20CON%2023%20presentations/Speaker%20&%20Workshop%20Materials/Alessandro%20Di%20Federico/DEFCON-23-Alessandro-Di-Federico-Leakless-How-The-ELF-ruined.pdf
[18:53] <wileee> vasili111, compiz is not set as far as I know to be alongside running or replacing muon.
[18:53] <Bashing-om> maslen: Does not sound good for the home team . How about a more indepth file system check repair from a liveDVD ? .. Bad results then check the physical hard drive's health .
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: can you explain whats happening to your mouse?
[18:54] <proq> ^ that talk doesn't give any CWE and a google search turns up really old vulnerabilities that were fixed years ago
[18:54] <vasili111> wileee: Muon is software manager. It is not Compiz like thing
[18:54] <maslen> Bashing-om: It's not a critical system, and the system drive shouldn't have anything important stored on it, so I can easily replace it and do a fresh install.
[18:54] <vasili111> wileee: Muon is for downloading other software
[18:54] <wileee> vasili111, Suit yourself, do the research .
[18:54] <dshaeffer> using ubuntu, my mouse buttons and/or pointer will become deactivated until i log out and log back in; problem is re-occurring, meaning i have to continually do this every 10-15 minutes
[18:54] <maslen> Bashing-om: Where would I get started with a check from a live DVD? Specifically, which tools would I be running ?
[18:54] <daftykins> maslen: sounds like your system might have an issue, are you able to boot a live session with internet access to run a disk health test command?
[18:55] <wileee> never used kubuntu, but having compiz makes no senses here
[18:55] <maslen> daftykins: Sure, I have spare USBs. I'm guessing an ubuntu 15.04 live boot ?
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> !usn | proq maybe here?
[18:55] <maslen> (It's not this system, it's a different one, so I can stay in here at the same time)
[18:55] <vasili111> wileee: Soryy I dont understand how pakage manager can harm Compiz?
[18:56] <daftykins> maslen: any version, or maybe even the installed version would be ok if it can install a couple of small packages and run a command
[18:56] <wileee> vasili111, You said muon was a desktop manager, I've never used it.
[18:56] <maslen> daftykins: I can. Which packages and commands?
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: wich version did you came from before upgrade
[18:56] <proq> lotuspsychje: jinx, I just found that  :D
[18:56] <daftykins> maslen: sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit
[18:56] <Bashing-om> maslen: Well .. if the hardware is good. We do consider  (RE-)install as that nuclear solution. Much prefer to fix the issue. It is rare that a problem can not be resolved withput resorting to that nuclear option .
[18:56] <daftykins> maslen: i'm assuming a single disk system there :)
[18:56] <dshaeffer> i still have windows on the laptop also (has other issues and i prefer to avoid MS) but mouse works fine in windows - old version was 12-point-something (i believe)
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: maybe time to clean install 14.04.3
[18:57] <maslen> daftykins: Nope, but again, not an issue. I can look exactly which drive is the system one.
[18:57] <wileee> vasili111, Than you said it was a package manager, just keep asking the channel if you like, I can't help is all.
[18:57] <dshaeffer> what does it mean "clean" install
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: whats your grafix card chipset and driver plz?
[18:57] <dshaeffer> ?
[18:57] <daftykins> maslen: cool, wouldn't hurt to repeat the above for all mechanical disks
[18:57] <OerHeks> proq, well no,nice story, but we need some bugreport, reproduced if possible. such talks have nothing to do with ubuntu support/
[18:57] <Johnny_Linux> kde by default uses plasma as a de, muon is his pkg mngr
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: install fresh, new
[18:58] <dshaeffer> great question - i'm not tech savvy enough to know the terms or how to answer
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> proq: see also #ubuntu-hardened
[18:58] <dshaeffer> can you explain how i can answer?
[18:58] <OerHeks> I think you should adress that to ubuntu-security https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#Address_Space_Layout_Randomisation_.28ASLR.29
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: check sudo lshw -C video youl see card model and driver=
[18:59] <scott606> Im having trouble with gedit trying to open my .run file for installing teamspeak 3 on ubuntu 14.04 I googled and got the .run file extracted and on the desktop but not im trying to run the runscript and all it wants to do is open ingedit
[18:59] <proq> OerHeks: yeah, that's pretty dumb.  maybe I'll send the guy an email.  he probably said in his talk if this is fixed or not
[18:59] <maslen> daftykins, Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12143366/
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> !teamspeak | scott606
[19:00] <Bashing-om> maslen: From liveCD so everything is unmounted,swap off if necessary, change example shown with partition sda1 to your partition(s). #e2fsck is used to check the ext2/ext3/ext4 family of file systems. -p trys fixes where response not required , ' sudo e2fsck -C0 -p -f -v /dev/sda1 ' . #if errors: -y auto answers yes for fixes needing response see: " man e2fsck " . ' sudo e2fsck -f -y -v /dev/sda1 ' .
[19:00] <dshaeffer> i'm sorry to be annoying but how to check sudo lshw -c video?
[19:00] <scott606> what do you mean by !teamspkeak?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: from a terminal
[19:00] <scott606> and my corp requires it .. it is a linux version of teamspeak 3
[19:01] <daftykins> maslen: yeah looks like old age might be creeping up on that disk and the controller slowly going a little funny, i refer to line 70 being non-zero and the errors at line 89 and beyond
[19:01] <maslen> so, replacement time?
[19:01] <daftykins> maslen: i would yep, depends what the machine does
[19:02] <Delta706> Is there any way to have an X server with 4 times the size? I thought workspaces did this but it seems that this is not the case
[19:02] <daftykins> Delta706: what do you mean by size?
[19:03] <Delta706> daftykins: it seems to fake it up with just one area and move windows around
[19:03] <dna113p> scott606: Do you know how to use a terminal at all?
[19:03] <daftykins> Delta706: sorry don't understand that at all
[19:03] <maslen> daftykins: I use it for fuzzing and running linux natively.
[19:03] <maslen> sometimes as a server for random vms
[19:03] <maslen> I got a spare 250GB HDD I'll just toss in and replace it with.
[19:03] <dshaeffer> in my drivers folder, i find synaptics touchpad; the problem exists with USB connected mouse also
[19:04] <scott606> None further than copy and pasteing lol ... also that link that was given says teamspeak is available in the synaptic package manager but thats not coming up when i type that in unity search
[19:04] <dshaeffer> i'm sorry to be so uneducated, i am very new to linux
[19:04] <daftykins> maslen: cool :) clonezilla will spare you some time :>
[19:04] <maslen> Yeah, good idea.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: i reccomend you install 14.04.3 fresh over, it might fix your mouse
[19:05] <dna113p> scott606: Okay open a terminal.
[19:05] <scott606> ok
[19:05] <dshaeffer> ok, lotus, will do - thx for the suggestion
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: if you still have that prob, come see us ok!
[19:05] <dshaeffer> great, maybe can you explain what you meant by "from terminal"
[19:06] <dshaeffer> ?
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: in your dash (left upper corner) you can type terminal
[19:06] <Delta706> my screen is 1366x768. I want to have 2600x1400 size area in the X server
[19:06] <dna113p> scott606: Into the terminal type "cd Downloads" or replace downloads with the path to the directory where your .run file is located
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: then enter the text inside the terminal
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> !manual > dshaeffer some help to start ubuntu
[19:07] <dna113p> scott606: You can use the ls command (type "ls" into terminal and hit enter) to see what files are in your current directory
[19:08] <dshaeffer> returned a lot of data --> what would you need from the list?
[19:08] <dna113p> scott606: Have you done that?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: the card model only and the driver listed after driver=
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> !paste | dshaeffer or paste the whole thing
[19:10] <jairo> hi group , how to install mono makefile and read configurate
[19:10] <jairo> from my unity game project
[19:11] <jairo> is possible developer using mono on ubuntu ?
[19:11] <ikonia> install a make file ?
[19:11] <ikonia> many developers use mono on ubuntu
[19:11] <ikonia> I've seen some impressive projects
[19:12] <jairo> and install unity , this is possible ?
[19:12] <ikonia> unity is the default ubuntu desktop
[19:12] <dshaeffer> lotus, thx again - i will try updating to 14.04.3
[19:12] <ikonia> or do you mean the games engine as you're talking about mono
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> dshaeffer: ok good luck mate
[19:12] <arooni-mobile> hey everyone;  just installed ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64bit.  now i want to restore the list of packages i made with debfoster (list of manually installed packages).  so i have a list of package name, new line, how can i install all these packages?
[19:13] <dshaeffer> ubottu provided the manual and i have something to ease my learning curve now!
[19:13] <dshaeffer> at least i knew it was a bot ;)
[19:14] <Cerealkiller> hey guys,i want to know,how can i make font size bigger/smaller depending on the user's screen size ? :)
[19:14] <daftykins> Cerealkiller: scaling in display settings should be what you're after
[19:15] <Cerealkiller> daftykins, i mean in css :)
[19:15] <Affy> Hi. I need some help installing. I just installed windows 10 x64 on a SSD. I left some space for ubuntu, now I'm at the installation screen. I have created a ext4 partition at mount point "/" and a swap partition. Should I also instal the bootloader on the SSD drive?
[19:15] <ikonia> ask in #css
[19:15] <Cerealkiller> thanks
[19:15] <ikonia> Affy: you need to install the boot loader on the mbr of the disk you boot from,
[19:15] <ikonia> if you're using EFI it's a different approach
[19:16] <daftykins> Cerealkiller: yeah not a web dev channel, the clue is the topic
[19:17] <Affy> ikonia, I'm not using UEFI.. I seemed to have made a mistake earlier where I did install ubuntu in uefi mode and after that I couldn't boot. But this time I didn't get the warning about UEFI.
[19:17] <ikonia> ok
[19:18] <Affy> ikonia, Anyway.. MBR of the disk? I assume the MBR is in the partition windows 10 was installed to?
[19:18] <daftykins> Affy: i think you might want to check whether 10 installed as EFI or not
[19:18] <spacebug^> I'm currently running Ubuntu again after reading Microsofts latest Privacy Policy..
[19:19] <Affy> daftykins, ok, how?:P
[19:19] <daftykins> spacebug^: ok, got a support question?
[19:20] <daftykins> Affy: that'd be a Windows question i'm afraid :) the partition layout is a clue though, if you're booted into the ubuntu live session you can check with a command or two
[19:20] <zfs-deamon> That bad the Privacy Statement?
[19:20] <ioria> Affy, sudo parted -l
[19:20] <imbezol> ~.
[19:20] <daftykins> zfs-deamon: that's off topic.
[19:20] <Affy> ioria, ok lemme check
[19:20] <zfs-deamon> my apologies
[19:20] <spacebug^> daftykins: Well, not at the moment. Was gonna ask about nouveau support för mu maxwell nvidia card, but I read it was ongoing so..
[19:21] <Affy> any way to open a terminal at the install screen? :D
[19:21] <daftykins> spacebug^: 970?
[19:21] <spacebug^> daftykins: 960
[19:21] <daftykins> spacebug^: ah, yeah you'd have to be running bleeding edge to even boot with it i suspect. stick to proprietary for now :)
[19:21] <spacebug^> ubuntu live-cd refused to even start
[19:21] <daftykins> spacebug^: it needs nomodeset appended to kernel boot parameters
[19:21] <spacebug^> I had to install using server-cd and then install nvidia
[19:22] <daftykins> no you didn't :)
[19:22] <spacebug^> daftykins: I know.. but can one set that usung the live-desktop-cd ?
[19:22] <ioria> Affy, try ctrl-alt-f1 or f2
[19:22] <daftykins> spacebug^: yep, quick F6 press or edit of the boot menu entry and it would've been golden.
[19:22] <spacebug^> daftykins: oh, well. That I did knot know :P
[19:22] <daftykins> here's to hindsight :)
[19:23] <spacebug^> tnx
[19:25] <Delta706> ah, I found an answer. I need a "panning viewport"
[19:25] <daftykins> Delta706: oh so you want a higher resolution than your physical screen supports so you can pan about?
[19:25] <arooni-mobile> is there a way to purge any i386 packages?
[19:26] <moss> jesus upstart sucks
[19:26] <daftykins> arooni-mobile: you can't convert your install :)
[19:26] <arooni-mobile> daftykins, i'm talking to you on a 64bit install now
[19:26] <daftykins> so why would it have any 32-bit ones?
[19:26] <moss> Can someone tell me how I can have upstart PAUSE for 30 seconds after executing one of the startup scripts?????
[19:26] <arooni-mobile> daftykins, cuz i did my restore wrong
[19:28] <wileee> arooni-mobile, goodby firefox?
[19:28] <arooni-mobile> huh?
[19:28]  * Affy is wondering why ubuntu live boot is taking ages :\
[19:29] <wileee> arooni-mobile, instead of a huh why don't research the question.
[19:29] <drkjstr> moss, have you tried adding a sleep command?
[19:30] <moss> drkjstr: that is what i mean, how can i add that to a script and does it go in the beginning or in the end???
[19:30] <moss> and how do i make sure its working?
[19:31] <ioria> moss in a bash script a simple 'sleep 30'
[19:31] <gartral> hey all, I bought an off-brand xbox 360 controller and it seems that it doesn't work for every game despite being picked up by xpad... any advice?
[19:32] <drkjstr> It would need to go at the end of the script. I think if you did a "ps aux | grep sleep" it might show you. I could be wrong.
[19:32] <ioria> moss without ''
[19:37] <drkjstr> moss, I just tested in a little shell script, and if you run the script and then grep for sleep in ps, it will tell you sleep is running
[19:38] <Synopsis> how can I make a laptop do a full system shutdown (equivalent to shutdown --poweroff 0) if the system switches from ac to battery
[19:38] <Affy> ioria, "parted -l" gives no output.
[19:38] <ioria> Affy, sudo
[19:38] <Affy> ioria, ok
[19:38] <spacebug^> moss: upstart starts scrips on dependencies. I think you can delay a script by inserting the sleep command in the script it self, but delaying the whole upstart process would be dificult I think
[19:42] <Delta706> just to mention that I got my system working using the ubuntu wiki. I have set a larger virtual X area and can move around it
[19:42] <daftykins> Delta706: with xrandr?
[19:43] <Affy> ioria, Ok, it says "msdos" so that's non-uefi then right?
[19:43] <ioria> Affy, should be
[19:44] <Affy> ioria, alright. Anyway.. should I install the bootloader on the drive itself then?
[19:45] <Affy> ioria, there's two partitions on it. One where windows is installed and a 512mb sized one with a "boot" flag.
[19:45] <ioria> Affy, yes, but before you should double check from win  http://kb.parallels.com/en/115815
[19:46] <Affy> ioria, ok
[19:46] <Delta706> daftykins: yes
[19:46] <ioria> Affy, your motherboard if uefi capable
[19:46] <ioria> ?
[19:46] <Delta706> daftykins: and no workspaces
[19:47] <daftykins> Delta706: mmm if i had known you wanted panning that would've been easy :)
[19:47] <Delta706> well I would be happy with switching too
[19:48] <Delta706> the main point is that all the area is "mapped"
[19:48] <daftykins> yeah i have no idea what you mean :)
[19:48] <daftykins> those aren't standard terms
[19:48] <rmc3> Haven't been able to find an answer in the documentation about this: I see that the Ubuntu installer supports using Anaconda-style kickstarts. Is the kssendmac kernel parameter supported for sending the MAC of the interface that's in use to the server providing the kickstart as a parameter?
[19:49] <Delta706> well I would be happy with switching between a view at 0, 0 to one at 900, 0
[19:49] <Affy> ioria, yep. it's not uefi.
[19:49] <drkjstr> Synopsis, you could create a script that runs via crontab. It would check the status of the battery, and then execute the shutdown command when the battery is discharging. See: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162900
[19:49] <ioria> Affy,  ok
[19:49] <ioria> Affy,  no worries then
[19:49] <daftykins> Delta706: yeah no idea what those numbers represent :) nevermind
[19:49] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  this comes close to what you want (very old post, scroll down)   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/modifying-acpi-scripts-350715/
[19:50] <ioria> Affy,  but it would be better do the partion for ubu from win
[19:50] <Delta706> all I am saying that panning implies the ability to move with the mouse
[19:50] <Synopsis> k, modifying the script I can handle, but i'm totally new to *nix, so, how would I setup the cronjob, and how frequently would it run...would once per second be too frequently?
[19:51] <Delta706> so I do not need panning, just a bigger X area
[19:51] <Delta706> which I now have
[19:51] <Affy> ioria, ok?
[19:51] <Affy> ioria, I already have unallocated space though for ubu
[19:52] <ioria> Affy,  control pan -> admin tools -> computer managment -> disk managment
[19:52] <ioria> Affy,  ah, ok
[19:53] <drkjstr> Synopsis, if you go the route from the Arch link, then they do it every 2 seconds.  You would create the script, make is executable using chmod, and then use edit your crontab ("crontab -e") to look like the one in that link.
[19:54] <drkjstr> Synopsis, If you go the route of the link MonkeyDust found, then I think that is run based on ACPI changes.
[19:55] <Synopsis> thx
[19:55] <MonkeyDust> drkjstr  Synopsis acpi is the first thing that came to my mind
[19:57] <drkjstr> MonkeyDust, understandably. Couldn't remember how I had done some altering in the past.
[19:59] <Synopsis> the acpi thing looks pretty clean...but i dont see how to get the ac status from it..all i see is the lid status
[20:02] <spacebug^> Synopsis: my guess is somewhere in /proc/acpi/ you will get en event for it
[20:03] <gartral> hey all, I bought an off-brand xbox 360 controller and it seems that it doesn't work for every game despite being picked up by xpad... any advice?
[20:04] <spacebug^> Synopsis: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33062/low-battery-power-action-without-gnome-power-manager
[20:05] <Synopsis> i just found this and was going to take a look at it
[20:05] <Synopsis> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Acpid
[20:06] <TJ-> Synopsis: you only need the "laptop-mode-tools" package. See "apt-cache show laptop-mode-tools"
[20:07] <zykotick9> gartral: i have no idea what xpad is... but does it show up as /dev/input/js0 if so, is your game(s) configured to use that device?  good luck.
[20:17] <Synopsis> TJ-: I got those installed, but have no idea where to go from there
[20:17] <wewillrocku_xx> hi
[20:17] <wewillrocku_xx> does anyone know how to install metasploit on ubuntu?
[20:18] <TJ-> Synopsis: if it is installed, its service should be running ("/etc/init.d/laptop-mode" ) and that will presumably have started a daemon process that monitors system state. Try "systemctl status laptop-mode"
[20:18] <Synopsis> but while trying to figure out, i came across this link that basically said it doesnt work on ubuntu and i'd needt o use the debian packages
[20:18] <Synopsis> http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/packages/ubuntu
[20:19] <TJ-> Synopsis: that article mentions it being disabled in Ubuntu Edgy ... which was 2005ish
[20:19] <Synopsis> ok :)
[20:19] <TJ-> Synopsis: I'll check the package here
[20:19] <Synopsis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144167/
[20:21] <Synopsis> got it enabled and started now
[20:23] <Synopsis> but I still don't know how to make it do what I want when I unplug the power
[20:23] <ronin23> Hi I have a question about bbs... how do u use that? telnet +the address? or do I need some sort of program for it?
[20:23] <TJ-> Synopsis: appears to work here. Try "sudo laptop_mode status" when on battery I see finally: "enabled, active"
[20:23] <goddard> any way I can assign a shell script to have its own launcher icon evne though it is a terminal?
[20:23] <wafflejock> goddard: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[20:24] <fantasma> ola
[20:24] <gartral> zykotick9: xpad is the kernel driver for the xbox 'trollers
[20:24] <goddard> wafflejock: cool
[20:24] <Synopsis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144214/
[20:24] <fantasma> alguem pode  mim ajudar
[20:24] <fantasma> meu navegador  , nao entra mais no google
[20:24] <fantasma> e nem no youtube
[20:25] <Synopsis> i see the output has my ac status as the last line
[20:25] <Synopsis> just dont know how to use that to accomplish what I want
[20:25] <TJ-> Synopsis: if you do "dpkg -L laptop-mode-tools" you'll see that it installs a lot of config files under "/etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/". one of which is "/etc/laptop-mode/conf.d/auto-hibernate.conf". In that file is a setting "ENABLE_AUTO_HIBERNATION=0" which I assume 0 mean No and 1 means yes.
[20:25] <Synopsis> i don't want hibernation though
[20:26] <Synopsis> i want full shutdown
[20:26] <wafflejock> !br > fantasma
[20:26] <ronin23> how do you use bbs?
[20:27] <TJ-> Synopsis: So replace the command it executes with "shutdown -Ph now"
[20:27] <fantasma> oa
[20:27] <TJ-> Synopsis: the main config file is "/etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf"
[20:27] <fantasma> ola   sou novo aqui  ,,
[20:27] <Synopsis> k
[20:27] <fantasma> preciso de ajuda
[20:27] <fantasma> meu navegador nao consegui entrar no google
[20:28] <wafflejock> !br | fantasma
[20:28] <SchrodingersScat> ronin23: yeah, i think you can just telnet in, address:port maybe
[20:28] <zykotick9> ronin23: telnet might work, other options include qterm or fqterm...  good luck
[20:28] <ronin23> ok thx i'll try
[20:29] <wewillrocku_xx> does anyone know how  to ssh outside lan on ubuntu ?
[20:29] <ronin23> I don't have the port just the address :/
[20:29] <wewillrocku_xx> can you send me a link or teach me how to please
[20:29] <Eming> $ lsblk
[20:29] <Eming> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[20:29] <Eming> sda      8:0    0 465,8G  0 disk
[20:29] <Eming> ├─sda1   8:1    0 372,6G  0 part /media/biocheming/c9da503c-d1c1-48ab-acc8-7fae69b29d17
[20:29] <Eming> ├─sda2   8:2    0   7,5G  0 part [SWAP]
[20:30] <Eming> ├─sda3   8:3    0   513M  0 part /boot/efi
[20:30] <SchrodingersScat> wewillrocku_xx: should be the same as any ssh, ssh user@ip/fqdn
[20:30] <wewillrocku_xx> fq?
[20:30] <UnPocoLoco> fully qualified domain name
[20:30] <SchrodingersScat> ronin23: can try whatever telnet defaults to, if that doesn't work then not sure how you'd find out.
[20:31] <wewillrocku_xx> how do i get a fully qualified domain name?
[20:31] <ronin23> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[20:31] <ronin23> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[20:31] <Eming>
[20:31] <UnPocoLoco> wewillrocku_xx, : microsoft.com
[20:31] <Eming> e
[20:31] <Eming> Hi
[20:31] <UnPocoLoco> wewillrocku_xx, was an example. :D
[20:31] <Eming> I have a big problem now for my disk usage
[20:31] <tiblock> wewillrocku_xx, you don't need it. Just "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:31] <wewillrocku_xx> do i have to spend money to ssh outside lan?
[20:31] <TJ-> Synopsis: there's a lot of useful info about all the config files with "man laptop-mode.conf"
[20:31] <Eming> $ lsblk
[20:31] <Eming> NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[20:31] <Eming> sda      8:0    0 465,8G  0 disk
[20:31] <Eming> ├─sda1   8:1    0 372,6G  0 part /media/biocheming/c9da503c-d1c1-48ab-acc8-7fae69b29d17
[20:31] <Eming> ├─sda2   8:2    0   7,5G  0 part [SWAP]
[20:31] <Eming> ├─sda3   8:3    0   513M  0 part /boot/efi
[20:32] <SchrodingersScat> wewillrocku_xx: yeah, it's not necessary, unless you don't want the trouble of remembering the ip, etc.
[20:32] <TJ-> !paste | Eming
[20:33] <wewillrocku_xx>  schrodingersScat:can you paraphrase what you ve just said
[20:33] <wewillrocku_xx> hehe
[20:33] <SchrodingersScat> wewillrocku_xx: you're free to use the ip address to get to the machine you want.
[20:34] <wewillrocku_xx>  ok i know how to do get my ip
[20:34] <wewillrocku_xx> can you tell me how to please
[20:34] <ronin23> is BBS dead or something?
[20:34] <wewillrocku_xx> ifconfig  right so  what do i do with my router ?
[20:34] <tiblock> SchrodingersScat, why you even started that domain thing. Now he understand nothing
[20:34] <wewillrocku_xx> i need to set port forwarding right
[20:34] <Synopsis> TJ-: i just had to create a script in the batt-start directory
[20:35] <SchrodingersScat> tiblock: idk, just listing options
[20:35] <SchrodingersScat> wewillrocku_xx: if you're trying to ssh into your network from outside, yes.
[20:36] <wewillrocku_xx> thats what i need to know Mr.SchrodingrScat
[20:36] <wewillrocku_xx> can you guide me step by step
[20:36] <wewillrocku_xx> please
[20:36] <wewillrocku_xx> cause none of the articles on the net does that
[20:36] <SchrodingersScat> that's dependant on your router and not really ubuntu
[20:36] <wafflejock> ronin23: BBS is a thing I got on like 17 years ago so maybe
[20:37] <wewillrocku_xx> ok my ip seems static
[20:37] <wewillrocku_xx> it hasnt changed for a long time now
[20:37] <ronin23> that's sad :(
[20:38] <wafflejock> ronin23: when you first asked I was going to tell you to dial up your connection ;)
[20:38] <SchrodingersScat> ronin23: there were still a few a couple years ago, mostly a novelty now
[20:40] <ToeSnacks> does Ubuntu 15.04 have an issue using ed25519 ssh certs?
[20:40] <ronin23> dial up my connection? I am just doing this for educational purposes
[20:40] <zykotick9> ronin23: fyi http://www.telnetbbsguide.com/
[20:40] <TJ-> ToeSnacks: it would be better if you stated an issue you're having.
[20:41] <ronin23> thank you zykotick9 i look at the website you send me
[20:42] <ToeSnacks> I am running ssh-add to add my two keys to the ssh agent I have an rsa key which works fine and an ed25519 key. The 25519 key returns 'Could not add identity: /home/null/.ssh/id_ed25519'
[20:42] <wafflejock> wewillrocku_xx: you need to just look up your router's manual for how to setup port forwarding and you can typically set a static IP for your devices from the router as well
[20:43] <TJ-> ToeSnacks: thanks. That makes it much easier to discover any existing bug reports
[20:43] <wafflejock> wewillrocku_xx: your external IP (WAN IP) coming from your provider will likely be dynamic but with many providers it won't be switched often anyhow
[20:44] <ToeSnacks> TJ-: it works if I specify the ed25519 key, but just running 'ssh-add' fails
[20:44] <TJ-> ToeSnacks: bug 1482608
[20:44] <ToeSnacks> thanks
[20:44] <wafflejock> wewillrocku_xx: once you've forwarded the port from your router to the local IP address of the computer you want to remote into you'll use ssh user@wanipaddresshere to connect
[20:45] <TJ-> ToeSnacks: can you me-too that bug?
[20:45] <StevenWyant> when i install anything in ubuntu server 14.04 i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144433/
[20:45] <Synopsis> Now everything is working perfectly, just wished the bios on this laptop had a turn on when power restored option so i wouldnt have to wire up a power switch :)
[20:45] <ronin23> it sais it's trying but that's basically it :/... I know this is very old stuff and kinda died out over the years...I didn't find 1 working bbs yet
[20:45] <ToeSnacks> sure
[20:46] <TJ-> ToeSnacks: thanks; I'll mark it confirmed as well
[20:46] <Yuken> It appears my graphics driver didn't install when installing 14.04 LTS. Any ideas?
[20:46] <Yuken> Intel iGPU, GMA 965
[20:46] <Jeeves_Moss> is there  a way to launch a screipt that will launch a screen, run a command, and once the command is done, it kills the screen session?
[20:46] <ronin23> oh now i did yeah
[20:47] <TJ-> Synopsis: that wouldn't help if it does a controlled shutdown. That usually only happens if the simple-boot flag hasn't been reset by the OS
[20:47] <ronin23> thats funny
[20:47] <Supermanintights> hey guys, just built a new pc for a friend, installing ubuntu 14.04.3, we're having a few issues, we can't get anything to be recognised sound wise - I've checked sound, and there's nothing listed in output.  Does anyone have any suggestions?  I've tried googling, but none of the results seem to work (sudo also force-reload)
[20:48] <lwander> ls
[20:48] <Yuken> Supermanintights, tried Alsamixer?
[20:49] <Synopsis> :)
[20:49] <Supermanintights> not yet, i only had 15 minutes to play around and give him a crash course in ubuntu, and i'm trying to help him remotely.  Is alsamixer something he'd need to install, or does it come with ubuntu?  Also, is there even a way to test if the sound card is being recognised, incase we didn't set it up properly
[20:49] <Yuken> Supermanintights, should come with it. Open a terminal, run "alsamixer". Disable auto-mute, if it is enabled.
[20:49] <TJ-> Supermanintights: first place to look is the kernel log, usually saved as "/var/log/dmesg"
[20:50] <Synopsis> TJ-: earlier you mentioned something about a way to restart my service if my directory changed...can you give me an idea at what to look for?
[20:50] <ToeSnacks> TJ-: done thank you
[20:51] <Yuken> Anyone have ideas for my graphical drivers?
[20:51] <Supermanintights> cheers guys, will try and relay this back to him - it's his first time on linux, and he's starting to get angsty
[20:53] <StevenWyant> when i install anything in Ubuntu server 14.04 i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144433/
[20:53] <TJ-> Synopsis: the package "inotify-tools" contains a tool "inotifywait" (see "man inotifywait"). If you use that inside a while true; do ... done loop in a shell script, it can watch the media directory and execute the command required to restart 'fbi' each time it sees a change
[20:54] <Yuken> Gah.
[20:54] <Yuken> VGA: 8086:2a02 @ 8086:2a00 **
[20:54] <StevenWyant> tj are you talk to me
[20:54] <Synopsis> thx, enough to get me started
[20:56] <Supermanintights> urgh, this isn't worth it!  "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory"
[20:56] <Supermanintights> I've asked for a screenshot as I think he's cocking up somewhere
[20:56] <TJ-> Synopsis: best thing to do is play with inotifywatch on the command-line in one terminal, whilst touching files in a directory it is watching from another terminal. the command will terminate when a change occurs... so that would then cause the next command to be executed (fbi). Enclose those commands in a while loop that never ends and you've about got it
[20:57] <wileee> Supermanintights, keep the drama to yourself, we don;t really care, we are here to help not counsel you.
[20:57] <Yuken> VGA: 8086:2a02 @ 8086:2a00 **
[20:57] <Synopsis> yep ype
[20:58] <TJ-> Synopsis: the nice thing is, you can cause the watch to only trigger on CREATE events, rather than all file events, which is what you want
[20:58] <Synopsis> well, create and delete
[20:59] <TJ-> Synopsis: you've got it covered I can see :)
[20:59] <Supermanintights> wileee, I appreciate the help, I provided the quote as it may be of use to those trying to help me.  I don't really think there was any 'drama' involved. Either way, I apologise if it came across that way.
[20:59] <Synopsis> programming is the easy part, knowing what to use is the hard part since i'm so unfamiliar with linux
[21:00] <TJ-> Synopsis: Agreed... you're doing well so far
[21:00] <wewillrocku_xx> hello
[21:00] <Synopsis> question about my service though...its working for the most part for me..but for testing things, i sometimes want to be at tty2 so i exit it...unfortunately, i dont get a console
[21:01] <Synopsis> do i need to launch getty or something after it exits
[21:05] <StevenWyant> when i install anything in Ubuntu server 14.04 i get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144433/
[21:07] <wileee> StevenWyant, lets see a paste of sudo apt-get update
[21:09] <StevenWyant> wileee there you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/12144689/
[21:10] <zykotick9> StevenWyant: wow...
[21:10] <TJ-> Steven-: that report suggests either you're not using 14.04, or that the system has the wrong release archive set. In 14.04 gcompris-data: Candidate: 13.11-1 but your pastebin says 14.12-1ubuntu1
[21:11] <levo> i created a 15.04 kubuntu usb via Universal Usb Installer, but it doesn't boot. (used another linux distro with UUI and it booted.) when Ii'm in windows and stick the usb the autorun appears but when i try to boot with usb nothing happens.
[21:11] <wileee> heh StevenWyant messy that is
[21:11] <zykotick9> wileee: +1
[21:11] <TJ-> StevenWyant: that system is terribly messed up, beyond being easily fixed I'd guess. Best to reinstall fresh
[21:12] <StevenWyant> i did look at this command lsb_release -a and it show with Release:	14.04
[21:14] <Supermanintights> thanks for your help guys, looks like the problem is unable to be resolved remotely
[21:14] <TJ-> StevenWyant: Well, the sources being pulled in are all over the place! Different distro, different releases, I've never seen anything so tragic
[21:14] <StevenWyant> what do you think i shoud do
[21:15] <ikonia> re-install
[21:15] <StevenWyant> re-install what
[21:15] <ikonia> the OS
[21:15] <zykotick9> StevenWyant: i'd suggest avoiding webmin in future.  see "/msg ubottu webmin" for some details.
[21:16] <StevenWyant> ok
[21:18] <tsimonq2> Just wondering(not going to do it, just would like to know how for future reference :D), how do I run wily-proposed instead of wily?
[21:19] <ikonia> change the sources to wily-proposed
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> tsimonq2  wily support in #ubuntu+1
[21:19] <ikonia> you'll find #ubuntu+1 is a more active channel for pre-release
[21:19] <tsimonq2> MonkeyDust: Thanks
[21:26] <arooni-mobile> hey everyone ;  i cant seem to load /home/ partition with noatime option listed....
[21:26] <arooni-mobile> in /etc/fstab
[21:27] <TJ-> arooni-mobile: syntax error in fstab maybe?
[21:27] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  i have a SSD and i want to set up noatime in /etc/fstab;  when i have:  UUID=0c2b9dac-89d4-4eff-a3e0-348ca1103eb8 /home           noatime,ext4    defaults        0       2    .......... /home wont mount
[21:28] <arooni-mobile> TJ-, see any problem with my syntax?
[21:28] <TJ-> arooni-mobile: yes, you've set the file-system type to noatime
[21:28] <rodd> hi
[21:29] <rodd> any idea why ubuntu 14 lts freezes on my laptop when returning from a suspended state? I can move the cursor, that's all
[21:29] <TJ-> arooni-mobile: see "man fstab" and pay attention to fields 3 and 4
[21:29] <arooni-mobile> TJ-, so i need to list the extahhh
[21:29] <arooni-mobile> need to list file system first
[21:29] <TJ-> rodd: possibly it fails to resume some device
[21:30] <rodd> TJ-: any idea on how I can identify the error?
[21:30] <rodd> I have to reboot the device every time this happens
[21:30] <TJ-> rodd: if you can do a file sync (Alt+SysRq+S) and reboot the PC, there should be clues in "/var/log/kern.log"
[21:30] <rodd> whats the sysreq key?
[21:31] <TJ-> rodd: the key with 'SysRq' on it
[21:31] <rodd> freaking french keyboard
[21:31] <rodd> i dont think it has that key
[21:31] <TJ-> rodd: usually it's on the PrntScrn key
[21:32] <rodd> ah
[21:32] <rodd> i managed to login in the terminal, will check that file
[21:32] <TJ-> rodd: If on a laptop it may require the Fn meta-key holding down to get that function
[21:33] <rodd> TJ-: the only ligne in that file has a bunch of numbers and at the end: has bogus alignment
[21:33] <rodd> could that be related?
[21:34] <TJ-> rodd: can you do "pastebinit <( tail -n 50 /var/log/kern.log )"
[21:35] <rodd> are you sure the syntax is correcT?
[21:35] <TJ-> rodd:  depending on the ubuntu release, you may need to "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" first, if the package isn't installed by default
[21:36] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  i think i installed some kind of old competing software to unity/lightdm and now my xchat window looks all funky like it was from the early 90s... i have ubuntu 14.04lts 64bit installation
[21:37] <rodd> TJ-: it gives me a >
[21:37] <rodd> eait
[21:37] <rodd> wait
[21:37] <TJ-> rodd: ahhh... you must have mistyped somewhere. Don't type my double-quotes - they're to separate the command from my surrounding comments
[21:38] <rodd> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12145015/
[21:38] <TJ-> rodd: Good. That last line indeed tells us the intel GPU failed to re-initialise one of its PCI resources
[21:39] <rodd> hm
[21:39] <rodd> it has no dedicated graphics
[21:39] <rodd> as far as I know
[21:40] <TJ-> rodd: there are several similar bug reports; so far the users all say that updating the PC to the latest available firmware/BIOS image solves the issue
[21:40] <rodd> TJ-: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09)
[21:40] <rodd> it's a thinkpad t450s
[21:41] <rodd> will check if there's a firmware available
[21:44] <Synopsis> what would be the linux equivalent to "dir /b /s *.jpg"
[21:44] <rodd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1452318
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  the equiv of dir is ls
[21:44] <Synopsis> yea, but i can't seem to make it do what i need
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  what do you want to do?
[21:45] <Synopsis> want recursive listing with fully qualified path of that directory and all sub directories
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  try ls -l for a start
[21:46] <tehbenneh> Or use find /path/ -type d -exec ls -la {} :\
[21:46] <bekks> ls -R ...
[21:46] <tehbenneh> My autocorrect may have borked that line :)
[21:48] <TJ-> Synopsis: have you got inotifywatch sorted?
[21:49] <Synopsis> no, hadn't taken a look at it yet...got sidetracked
[21:49] <Synopsis> and broke some stuff, trying to get it back to where it was working :)
[21:49] <TJ-> Synopsis: :D
[21:49] <rapest> how does one program an entire operating system?
[21:50] <matju> hi, I booted a ubuntu 15.04 DVD and I need to access a shell by Ctrl+Alt+F1. What's the username & password ?
[21:50] <Synopsis> back to my dir /s/b question :)
[21:51] <Synopsis> ls -R does do it recursively, but it puts directory headings above each dir
[21:51] <Synopsis> i need one fully qualified file path per line
[21:51] <TJ-> Synopsis: for examining hierarchies, 'find' is the tool. It had lots of conditions it can match, and commands it can perform. E.g: find /path/to/base/dir -type d -ls" will find and 'LiSt" every [D]irectory type entry
[21:51] <Synopsis> -1 seems to be the equivalent to /b
[21:51] <TJ-> Synopsis: if you only want to see files, then change it to "-type f"
[21:52] <TJ-> Synopsis: "man find" is your friend
[21:52] <OerHeks> matju, username ubuntu and password empty ..
[21:53] <matju> OerHeks: works. thanks.
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  also try    tree -f -p
[21:56] <Synopsis> find /media/slideshow -type f -ls appears to do almost exactly what i want
[21:56] <Synopsis> i just dont need all the file size/date info
[21:56] <Synopsis> it also appears to not go through subdirectories when I add *.jpg to the command
[21:58] <Synopsis> -print instead of -ls does what i need
[21:59] <Synopsis> how come it doesnt seem to go recursively when I add *.jpg to my path
[21:59] <AbuDhar> hey can anyone help me with something? :D
[21:59] <reisio> no, but some people can help you with some things
[21:59] <AbuDhar> 2 sec.. preparing a paste
[22:00] <TJ-> Synopsis: because that is only the path. If you want to match on names you want something like "-name '*.jpg" as an additional condition
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  find ~ -name *.jpg -exec ls -l {} \; 2>/dev/null  # ~means /home, 2>/dev/null makes errors invisible
[22:00] <AbuDhar> oh I see what's wrong now :)
[22:00] <TJ-> Synopsis: "-print" is the default action; you don't need to specify it
[22:02] <AbuDhar> "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided" getting this when I try to update from Software Updater.
[22:03] <AbuDhar> I have updated stuff before where it has worked.. so why does it not work now?
[22:03] <OerHeks> use the real password
[22:04] <AbuDhar> It does not prompt me :/
[22:04] <AbuDhar> that's the problem.
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> AbuDhar  i had that too, make sure the policy kit is checked in the startup programs
[22:05] <Synopsis> i'm trying: "find /media/slideshow -name *.jpg -type f" and getting an error that says find: paths must preced expression: picture1.jpg"
[22:09] <Synopsis> i'll be glad when i know wtf i'm doing on linux
[22:09] <Synopsis> find /media/slideshow -name *.jpg
[22:09] <Synopsis> worked just fine
[22:10] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[22:13] <Synopsis> TJ-: did you see my question earlier about when i exit my script started by my system.d service, i have no console
[22:14] <TJ-> Synopsis: No
[22:15] <Umeaboy> I just installed Ubuntu 15.04 on a Asus N550JK laptop and besides the problem with not getting a login session if splash quiet isn't removed from grub command line I see that the nvidia driver spews out alot of errors related to the nvidia driver.
[22:15] <Synopsis> TJ-: now you have :)
[22:16] <TJ-> Synopsis: no tty2, or no consoles at all?
[22:16] <Synopsis> tty2 is there, i just cant do anything on it
[22:16] <Synopsis> other consoles are present
[22:17] <la> hola
[22:17] <TJ-> Synopsis: not sure why that would be
[22:18] <Synopsis> not a huge deal, just a little annoying :)
[22:18] <la> siiiiii   not
[22:18] <TJ-> Synopsis: this happens after the script started from rc.local exits?
[22:19] <Affy> Hey guys, I'm having trouble setting up a dualboot win 10 and ubuntu 15.04. I installed windows first on my SSD on a partition. I left some unallocated space for ubuntu. When I installed ubuntu. I made a root "/" partition on the allocated space as ext4 as well as 6gb of swap. Then I choose to install the bootloader in the "Kingston SSD" drive which is the drive itself. But when I boot up ubuntu I get an error saying "Could not open moddep
[22:19] <Affy> file '/lib/moodules/3.16.0-34-generic/modules.dep.bin'".. please help!
[22:20] <ubuntu__> \quit
[22:20] <ubuntu__> \exit
[22:22] <Umeaboy> Affy: Have you googled the error?
[22:22] <Afforess> Umeaboy: um, was I asked a question?
[22:23] <Afforess> sorry, I only got on irc a little bit ago
[22:23] <Afforess> ohh
[22:23] <Afforess> nvm
[22:23] <Umeaboy> https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwjN2MW0m7vHAhXKlCwKHc70C-0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.com%2Fcommunity%2Fblogs%2F130-distributions%2F839692-dual-boot-ubuntu-15041410-and-windows-10818-step-by-step-tutorial-with-screenshots&ei=z6TXVY21J8qpsgHO6a_oDg&usg=AFQjCNH77Eb4PZNP1Pih8-IYcUnW8qB8Sg
[22:23]  * Afforess has 'Affy' in his highlight list
[22:23] <Umeaboy> Read, Afforess.
[22:24] <Afforess> Umeaboy: I do, Affy is usually what people who want to save a few chars type as my nick
[22:24] <Umeaboy> http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/dual-boot-ubuntu-15-04-14-10-and-windows-10-8-1-8-step-by-step-tutorial-with-screenshots
[22:24] <Afforess> Anyway, ciao.
[22:26] <Affy> Umeaboy, No. I'm just asking if I did it correctly. I'm looking at that link. is a '/home' partitioned required?
[22:27] <Umeaboy> Affy: That's up to you.
[22:27] <Umeaboy> I rarely use manual installation.
[22:27] <Affy> Umeaboy, k. Hm, seems to me I did everything right then.
[22:27] <Umeaboy> Read the page.
[22:29] <Yuken> Everything in Lubuntu 14.04 is reporting back my 2nd core as 1000MHz, and I"m suspecting that is what it is at. Any ideas?
[22:29] <Yuken> T5250, supposed to run at 1.5GHz per core.
[22:29] <rredd4> how to I permanently make the sound not limit at 100%
[22:29] <Affy> Umeaboy, hm.. I think I chose "logical" for the partitions. Must they be primary?
[22:29] <boze> I'm booting off an SSD, but there's a spindle I really need mounted at startup. It mounts if I go to nautilus and click it, but if I go to the disks program and take it off of auto mount it adds paste.ubuntu.com/12145684/ this to the fstab. But when I boot it just errors at the splash screen and says press 'S' to skip O_O
[22:30] <Umeaboy> Affy: Change and retry.
[22:34] <Ben64> Yuken: probably scales up when power is needed
[22:38] <Yuken> Ben64, this is when running games and heavy benchmarks.
[22:38] <Yuken> Ben64, 2nd core stuck at 1000MHz max.
[22:42] <Synopsis> is it possible to clone my hard drive onto a usb then use that to boot?
[22:42] <MonkeyDust> Synopsis  remastersys could do that, but i'm not sure if it's still maintained
[22:43] <reisio> Synopsis: yup, but why
[22:44] <Synopsis> i'm building a digital picture frame from an old laptop...i've almost got everything configured, but want to copy the setup to a usb thumb drive and boot from that instead of leaving the hard drive in
[22:46] <reisio> you can rsync -av from one place to the other in a live OS, then fix /etc/fstab and reinstall/reconfigure grub
[22:46] <Synopsis> no idea what that means :)
[22:46] <Ben64> sounds like something that you shouldn't be using ubuntu for
[22:47] <Synopsis> why not? it's working great..boots and starts showing pictures in about 10 seconds
[22:48] <Ben64> theres a ton of unnecessary stuff in ubuntu
[22:48] <Ben64> it wont boot from usb in 10 seconds either
[22:49] <Synopsis> the usb stick i have is faster than the crappy 5400 rpm drive its booting off uf n ow
[22:49] <Ben64> it isn't
[22:49] <Synopsis> the install image booted completely off the usb in like 15 seconds
[22:49] <reisio> well, it booted from memory
[22:49] <reisio> but that's another matter
[22:50] <Synopsis> it booted from the usb stick, it couldnt have been in memory before because the system was windows before
[22:50] <reisio> a small capacity usb stick is a cheaper, less noisy thing to put into a picture frame than a spinner, if that's what's happening
[22:50] <Synopsis> reisio: another reason i'm wanting to use the usb stick :)
[22:50] <reisio> so do it
[22:50] <Ben64> yeah, but don
[22:50] <Ben64> 't use ubuntu, its too heavy
[22:50] <subone> What are my options for file encryption with automatic encryption/decryption when I open an encrypted file and then save and close the associated app, preferably portable.
[22:51] <Synopsis> too heavy is subjective
[22:51] <Synopsis> it's working great
[22:51] <ubuntu319> i am trying to use a digital signature from a USB.  I get a message - " windows-my" not found
[22:51] <Ben64> Synopsis: from a hard drive
[22:51] <reisio> subone: I like encfs for that
[22:51] <ubuntu319> can some one help
[22:51] <reisio> subone: you could also use an archive that supports decent encryption, like 7z
[22:51] <subone> What's decent?
[22:52] <reisio> 7z's encryption is decent
[22:52] <reisio> it's AES-256 or wtfevr
[22:52] <Synopsis> it's not going to be any slower from the usb stick...i'm not loading the images from the drive, they're being loaded over wifi
[22:52] <reisio> subone: zip's, rar's, probably a waste of time
[22:53] <subone> why's that
[22:53] <ToeSnacks> My notification panes have a weird theme now, how do I change it back to default?
[22:53] <reisio> subone: 'cause they use old crappy after-the-fact encryption, IIRC
[22:53] <Ben64> Synopsis: the os will be much slower
[22:53] <reisio> subone: depends on who you're defending against, though
[22:53] <reisio> someone who knows you can download a simple application to crack a rar password
[22:53] <reisio> or someone who doesn't
[22:54] <Synopsis> i'm not worried about its speed, it'll be fine...it boots a console and launches fbi...it'll be fine
[22:54] <Synopsis> i'm not running it on an 8086
[22:55] <reisio> so copy it already
[22:55] <Ben64> Synopsis: ok whatever, enjoy your 10 minute boot up for a photo frame
[22:55] <subone> I don't want it to be cracked in let's say at least a year, I will be saving and storing multiple copies of the same file encrypted, so that can't help the cracker any...
[22:55] <reisio> subone: yeah, 7z or pgp then
[22:55] <Synopsis> if the live os install for the full desktop install boots in < 30 seconds, i doubt this is going to take  longer than that...
[22:56] <reisio> or openssl
[22:56] <Ben64> Synopsis: it will, but go for it
[22:56] <reisio> I use 7z for little things I'm not going to keep track of
[22:56] <reisio> and encfs for other things
[22:56] <subone> My studies seem to point toward gpg, but some of the logistics are beyond me
[22:57] <subone> like how to automatically handle the tedium of decrypting the file, working in it, saving, closing, encrypting, and then removing cache
[22:57] <subone> The "working in it" part should be manual, I guess, LOL
[22:57] <bekks> subone: For that use case, gpg is the wrong tool.
[22:58] <subone> bekks: why?
[22:58] <tgm4883> Ben64: coming in late here, but are you suggesting that booting off a USB is slower than booting off a CD?
[22:58] <reisio> you'd have to track down a GUI frontend for opening it and working on it in tmp space, is why
[22:58] <reisio> an archive is more likely
[22:58] <tgm4883> oh wait, 5400RPM hard drive
[22:58] <bekks> You'll have more effort in "decrypting, saving, closing, encrypting, removing cache" than with "working in it".
[22:59] <subone> That's the problem I'm seeing
[22:59] <bekks> subone: So gpg is the wrong tool.
[22:59] <subone> Alternatives bekks?
[22:59] <reisio> although you could write a script with zenity or the like pretty easily :)
[22:59] <bekks> subone: where are you going to save that file?
[22:59] <subone> bekks: public
[23:00] <subone> I mean, dropbox, gdrive
[23:00] <bekks> subone: I'm not saving data which needs to be encrypted in public.
[23:01] <TJ-> subone: you could create a loop-mounted file-system using "ecryptfs-setup-private" for it
[23:01] <subone> bekks: clarification: dropbox, gdrive
[23:01] <tgm4883> lol
[23:01] <bekks> subone: clarification: I'm not saving sensitive data in public.
[23:01] <OerHeks> cryptome :-D
[23:02] <subone> bekks: so you have no recommendations then?
[23:03] <bekks> subone: I'm strongly suggestion rethinking your concept of storing data.
[23:03] <subone> bekks: elaborate
[23:03] <TJ-> subone: you might be interested in this: https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs
[23:03] <bekks> subone: Do not store sensitive data in public. Questions on that?
[23:04] <subone> ty everyone with suggestions, I am looking into all of these options
[23:04]  * DalekSec uses btsync.
[23:05] <OerHeks> use a password greater than 16 characters, to beat 99.899 % rainbowtables.
[23:06] <tgm4883> All my passwords are OerHeks123456789
[23:11] <oleksa_p> hi all
[23:11] <oleksa_p> i have problem with doing bootable usb
[23:11] <oleksa_p> i use usb disk creator
[23:12] <oleksa_p> but when i restart pc i have error
[23:12] <surgy> hello
[23:12] <oleksa_p> error: nou such device : number
[23:12] <oleksa_p> grub rescue
[23:12] <surgy> im running ubuntu-gnome 14.04 how do i keep the left bar (the one with all of my favorite apps on it) from auto hiding ?
[23:13] <Synopsis> TJ-: I've got inotifywait script working on a local directory, but it doesn't work on my network directory where i'm pulling the images from
[23:14] <oleksa_p> anybody can help?
[23:14] <UnPocoLoco> surgy, right-click on it?
[23:14] <surgy> UnPocoLoco, does nothing
[23:15] <Synopsis> looking further, I don't think inotifywait will work for me since its a remote dir
[23:16] <TJ-> Synopsis: correct. You didn't say earlier it would be remote
[23:16] <Synopsis> sorry, didnt realize it made a diff at the time
[23:16] <Synopsis> any ideas for a remote folder (nfs)
[23:17] <TJ-> Synopsis: is the remote a Linux host as well? I presume so
[23:17] <TJ-> If so, run the inotifywait script on it instead... and can you guess what it will do?
[23:17] <Synopsis> no, it's a windows server 2012 box
[23:17] <Fudge> does unity take advantage of hyperthreading
[23:18] <Synopsis> But I'm using NFS services on it for remote access
[23:18] <Synopsis> Kodi.tv plays nicer with that than it does with samba :)
[23:18] <TJ-> Synopsis: oh that fails it then! I was going to say, run inotifywait on the host and when it sees new files, touch a flag-file on the DPF device... then have your DPF script watch for that file appearing, as its trigger
 / system settings / appearance / behavior / auto-hide / toggle "OFF" !=0)
[23:19] <Synopsis> if I wanted to get that complicated, I could easily code a c# app to do the same thing on the windows box...but i'm trying to keep this as "native" and easy as possible :)
[23:20] <subone> Does Gnome Archive Manager destroy cached copies of the decrypted files when you close the app?
[23:20] <subone> And furthermore how can I tell if the applications I'm using to modify these files before encryption are not leaking the files elsewhere on the fs?
[23:21] <TJ-> Synopsis: maybe you could do something similar with the WMI Event Watcher ?
[23:21] <subone> TJ-: for Ubuntu?
[23:22] <Synopsis> could I just do something like list all the files in the remote directory to a file and compare the results to a previous run?
[23:22] <TJ-> Synopsis: you could but that could get expensive on the network if the list of files is large
[23:23] <Synopsis> I don't need instant notification, i could do it once an hour or so
[23:23] <Synopsis> I dont think I'll put more than 1000 files in the dir
[23:24] <Synopsis> actually, wouldnt have to compare all files...could just get the most recent write time to the dir yes?
[23:24] <TJ-> Synopsis: yes, check the mtime
[23:26] <Synopsis> is there an easy way to get the latest mtime recursively?
[23:26] <TJ-> Synopsis: not without traversal
[23:26] <Synopsis> k
[23:30] <Synopsis> ls -lt /media/** seems to do what I need...the top line is the most recently modified, just dont know how to use it in script ;)
[23:32] <TJ-> Synopsis: "ls -ltr /media/** | tail -1" will grab the last line
[23:32] <TJ-> Synopsis: do you want just the date/time ?
[23:32] <Synopsis> yes, but not the last line, the 1st line
[23:35] <sehnsucht> thumnails aren't working properly in nautilus.  ubuntu 14.04.02. i have about 500  jpegs in 1 folder and around 1/2 have just the black JPG placeholder. rebooting makes no difference. the files open fine and look ok.  any ideas? is there some cache or something i can delete?
[23:36] <bekks> sehnsucht: jpegs dont produce a usable thumbnail, it is possible that a "just black" thumbnail is saved into the jpeg file, which is then read by nautilus.
[23:36] <bekks> sehnsucht: and rebooting will not solve those issues ever.
[23:36] <bekks> s/dont/dont necessarily/
[23:36] <sehnsucht> is there a way of recreating the thumbnails?
[23:36] <TJ-> Synopsis: the command I gave you reverses the order so most recent comes last. This command just outputs the formatted date for easy comparision:  "ls --time-style=+%y%m%d%H%M%S -nltr ../** 2>/dev/null | tail -1 | cut -d\  -f 7 "
[23:38] <TJ-> Synopsis: so, for example, it just gives me "150821191528" which is easy to compare with a previous value
[23:39] <OerHeks> sehnsucht, change the cache size http://askubuntu.com/questions/114530/how-large-can-nautiluss-thumbnail-cache-grow
[23:40] <rredd4> how do i make ubuntu stop limiting the volume at 100%?
[23:41] <sehnsucht> i've deleted the jpegs, going to recreate them again (from raw files, via bibble) to rule out missing thumbnails.  if i still get the problem then i'll look into the cache. cheers
[23:42] <Synopsis> hmm...your command works correctly, but the ls command isn't handling subdirs correctly ...I wont be changing pictures often (probably never) so I'll tackle this part later...for now i need to figure out how to clone this hd onto my usb stick
[23:43] <kadiro> rredd4: try this ( increment with 10 ) pactl set-sink-volume 0 -- +10%
[23:44] <TJ-> Synopsis: shrink the file-systems to a minimum, maybe, allowing some headroom for /var/{cache,lib,log}/  to grow
[23:44] <TJ-> Synopsis: I think find is your friend
[23:44] <rredd4> kadiro ok, have done that, now how i make that permanent
[23:44] <Synopsis> yea, find will probably be what I have to end up using
[23:44] <wbill> how do i encrypt my home folder after i already installed ubuntu 15.??
[23:46] <kadiro> rredd4: for that create a script file or put it to .bashrc for example
[23:46] <kadiro> for me i do that for my remote control to adjust it
[23:46] <TJ-> Synopsis: find /media -type f -name '*.jpg' -newer /path/to/some/reference/file && restart-fdi
[23:47] <hoodedice> I'm on windows10. Used unetbootin to set up a disk on the C:\ drive itself, but it won't boot, instead windows says that some mbr file was not found
[23:47] <TJ-> Synopsis: reference file could be generated simply by "touch /path/to/some/reference/file"
[23:47] <Synopsis> restart-fdi would be command to restart my service?
[23:47] <hoodedice> Is there a way to boot to unetbootin without going through windows?
[23:47] <TJ-> Synopsis: yes.
[23:47] <hoodedice> I think this should solve it
[23:47] <rredd4> kadiro guess i need to learn how to do script file or the bashrc thing
[23:48] <TJ-> Synopsis: the "&&" means 'if the last command returned true (0) then execute the next command'
[23:48] <Synopsis> cool, will try it soon as this dd command is done
[23:48] <Synopsis> it doesnt give me a status, so no idea how long it will take
[23:48] <Synopsis> sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 ...will the usb be bootable?
[23:48] <TJ-> Synopsis: usually a *nix command returns 0 for success and > 0 for some problem
[23:49] <kadiro> rredd4: the .bashrc ( with dot before bashrc ) is located at your home folder /home/user/ ) just put it in the last line
[23:49] <TJ-> Synopsis: Not directly. First, the destination needs to be big enough. 2nd, you need to install a boot-loader in the MBR, unless the PC is UEFI
[23:49] <kadiro> but this i think only work when you opened a terminal
[23:49] <rredd4> kadrio ok, via terminal... ?sudoedit
[23:50] <Synopsis> well the usb stick is 16gb, and i've not put anything on here except the few packages i had to dl to get this working, so it should fit
[23:50] <kadiro> for other suggession i have no idea but there are many things like puting it to autostart programs
[23:50] <TJ-> Synopsis: dd can be told to report, from another terminal shell use "kill -USR1 $(pidof dd)" - SIG_USR1 sent to a dd process asks it to report on its own tty its progress
[23:50] <kadiro> no rredd4 no need a sudo for it
[23:51] <rredd4> ok
[23:51] <TJ-> Synopsis: *but* the file-system on the source device might be much larger. The amount of data in it doesn't count
[23:51] <Synopsis> yea..the hard drive i think was a 300gb
[23:51] <TJ-> Synopsis: "lsblk" will show you the size of the file-systems
[23:52] <Synopsis> yea, 300gb
[23:52] <TJ-> Synopsis: this was why I suggested you may need to 'shrink' the file-system on the source device first, to something smaller that will fit on the USB
[23:53] <Synopsis> ok, so what...maybe 12gb? do i need a swap on the usb too?
[23:53] <Synopsis> and, before I try this...how can I back up everything i've done :)
[23:54] <TJ-> Synopsis: "resize2fs -M" could help. Please see "man resize2fs". However, you won't be able to resize the live file-system, you'd need to boot using a Live ISO image so the file-system to be resized wasn't the one the OS is running from
[23:54] <TJ-> Synopsis: copy all your changes to some other location.
[23:54] <TJ-> Synopsis: I think in total you only have about 6 files that aren't standard?
[23:54] <Synopsis> is there a way to just image the disk? I dont remember all the changes
[23:55] <Synopsis> yea, the number of changes isn't very high
[23:55] <Synopsis> i just dont want to come bother you again when I can't figure out something again that you already helped me with :)
[23:56] <TJ-> Synopsis: you could create empty file-system on the USB, then use the 'rsync' command to copy files over, but you have to avoid copying over /proc/ /dev/ /sys/ and some files that are in-use might not be copyable and end up 0-length
[23:56] <Synopsis> if i booted a live cd copy, could i do it without having to worry?
[23:57] <TJ-> Synopsis: apart from your own scripts, the only system changes are the new systemd getty@tty2 unit, /etc/rc.local, and the laptop-tools config
[23:58] <Synopsis> i think so, and adding the autologin user to the video group for /dev/fb0 permissions
[23:58] <TJ-> Synopsis: if copying files you'd still need to avoid copying (or delete afterwards) anything under /proc/ /sys/ /dev/ /run/
[23:58] <the_count> Bashing-om: Finally back
[23:58] <TJ-> Synopsis: right... I wasn't party to that :)
[23:58] <Bashing-om> the_count: Ya got your homework done ?
[23:59] <the_count> Bashing-om: No, not yet... But will soon enough, and I had other things on my list before....
[23:59] <Synopsis> you're right though, i'll just copy my changes out
[23:59] <TJ-> Synopsis: way past my bedtime over here, so I'm going. Good luck with it.
[23:59] <Synopsis> if i have to redo it, it'll be good practice for me
[23:59] <Synopsis> thx for allyour help