[02:02] <phil-wong> Hi
[09:34] <jutnux> Morning all.
[09:43] <mattt> hello jutnux
[09:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:48] <jutnux> Morning AlanBell \o
[09:48] <occupy64k> hello
[10:07] <popey> morning
[10:10] <jutnux> Hello
[10:53] <popey> anyone on 12.04 fancy confirming 923021 ?
[10:53] <popey> Daviey: do you get that on your mbp
[10:53] <popey> bug 923021
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: Oh it shows up in the end?
[10:54] <popey> yes. takes a while
[10:54]  * MartijnVdS has rebooted several times because password unlock wouldn't come
[10:54] <MartijnVdS> confirmed
[10:56] <Daviey> popey: +1'd
[10:56] <popey> ta
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:59] <popey> yes
[10:59] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:10] <jacobw> morning
[11:11] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:57] <jacobw> !ping
[12:12] <AlanBell> tax return done \o/
[12:12] <AlanBell> repaymnet due £0.60
[12:12] <AlanBell> drinks are on me :)
[12:21] <jacobw> a panda cola?
[12:32] <popey> hah
[12:54]  * AlanBell is using empathy "people nearby" to debate lunch options with the kids
[12:56] <brobostigon> :)
[13:05] <popey> \o/ Avahi
[13:06] <popey> AlanBell: did you see Evan Dandrea's tweet about irc and jabber
[13:06] <popey> (Jabber \o/ btw)
[13:08] <gordonjcp> how do I get pulseaudio to see a new sound card?
[13:08] <popey> get alsa to see it first I guess/
[13:08] <popey> ?
[13:08] <gordonjcp> alsa does see it
[13:08] <popey> pavucontrol is handy
[13:09] <gordonjcp> ah, I need to kill pulse and let it restart
[13:09] <gordonjcp> not exactly seamless...
[13:10] <AlanBell> popey: I did, I don't understand how jabber relates to IRC though
[13:10] <AlanBell> I thought it was a person to person protocol
[13:11] <AlanBell> s/jabber/xmpp/
[13:12] <popey> you can have rooms
[13:14] <AlanBell> I think I set up a server once and had a look at the protocol, can't say I have ever used it with another person
[13:15] <AlanBell> you can pass arbitary packets of stuff across it, bit like telepathy tubes
[13:24] <directhex> it's called "MUC" - multi user chat
[13:24] <directhex> as defined in XMPP Extension Protocol XEP-0045
[13:26] <Neoti> so my video editing woes continu!!
[13:26] <AlanBell> interesting, and that has existed for some time
[13:27] <Neoti> on ubuntu 10.10 kinda works ok with some problems and ogv is a no go... better to use avi if screen capturing etc....
[13:27] <AlanBell> anyone running a jabberd server? I can't be bothered to set one up just to look at it
[13:27] <AlanBell> and google talk is only in the USA right?
[13:27] <Neoti> though i can not get kazam working in ubuntu 10.10 just does not load!
[13:28] <AlanBell> I have a feeling most jabber users don't approach it by reading the protocol specifications first. I am going about this the wrong way I think.
[13:34] <Neoti> ok FFMPEG might be the root problem...
[13:34] <Neoti> or unity ... checking now
[13:36] <gord> 10.10, wow
[13:36] <gord> is that still supported?
[13:36] <AlanBell> !10.10
[13:36] <gord> doesn't tell me :(
[13:37] <AlanBell> it doesn't, I thought most of those did
[13:38] <Neoti> AlanBell gord can you recommend a good screen capture program that will output to avi as recordmydesktop only does ogv and the file format is rubish not the program its self...
[13:38] <AlanBell> I think it is supported to 12.10, 2 years
[13:39] <AlanBell> you can upload .ogv to blip.tv and youtube if youtube is having a good day
[13:39] <AlanBell> though most of the time you upload for an hour to youtube and get just a green screen
[13:40] <Neoti> i want to edit the video cut bits out add titles etc... and i have proved in my mind that ogv is crap! however the videos i have done in avi on windows, when putting them through kdenlive work fine... well on ubuntu 10.10 as i think either ffmpeg or unity is messing up the video out put in the clip monitor in kdenlive on 11.10.....
[13:41] <AlanBell> hmm, not sure then. I use openshot to edit stuff and it handles ogv fine and can export in various formats
[13:45] <Neoti> humm i will have to try that out ...
[13:45] <Neoti> seems similar to kdenlive
[13:47] <Neoti> my requirments for what i do are just ability to add titles, fade in and out, cut a section of video out and delete that section and out put in 1280x720 600k 15FPS mp4 for youtube etc... if it can do that and is easy to use gr8
[13:47] <gordonjcp> Neoti: AVI is a file format, not an encoding
[13:48] <gordonjcp> Neoti: you can make .avi files that just cannot sanely be edited
[13:48] <Neoti> well over the last week i have had more luck with avi then ogv.
[13:49] <gordonjcp> Neoti: .avi and .ogv makes very little difference
[13:49] <gordonjcp> the codec in use does
[13:53] <popey> AlanBell: Google talk isnt USA only
[13:53] <Neoti> so based on the above unity/ubuntu 11.10 uses a differant or updated codec which is broken! to the codecs used on ubuntu 10.10 ?
[13:54] <jacobw> no
[13:54] <jacobw> its nothing to do with ubuntu
[13:55] <AlanBell> applications like openshot benefit from an extra year of development Neoti
[13:55] <popey> Neoti: read all of the above, and cant actually see what the issue is
[13:55] <shauno> a bit slow, but I'm using jabberd14 to provide an xmpp server  (and it sounds like you're confusing google chat with google voice - the later is the telephony 'thing', and is US-only.  talk is just IM/xmpp, and is global)
[13:55] <popey> nothing specific anyway
[13:56] <AlanBell> shauno: yeah, I am no doubt confused
[13:56] <AlanBell> I only looked at XMPP 4 years or so ago when looking at Sametime and SIP stuff
[13:58] <AlanBell> any instructions on trying google talk, all I see on http://www.google.com/talk/ is a browser plugin and an XP client
[13:58] <shauno> I don't use their service; I run my own jabber server, and can talk to people who are using their service, because xmpp 'federates'
[13:59] <AlanBell> ok
[14:00] <popey> AlanBell: which client?
[14:00] <shauno> I believe the capabilty is coming to Live (nee msn) soon too.  and aol/aim already has it. so eventually we can chat to people cross networks without needing ugly client-side hacks (like having 8 accounts signed into one client)
[14:00] <popey> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Talk/thread?tid=423612adbab19852&hl=en AlanBell
[14:00] <popey> 3rd party clients can access it
[14:01] <Neoti> ok from the begining for popey, i recorded a test video on ubuntu 11.10 32bit with unity and all updates as of 11am yesterday, i updated kdenlive so i was using the most up to date copy, and in clip monitor when i view the recorded video i get little grey blocks on the video before rendering and befor adding it to the time lline... if i open the recorded video just in move player it views fine no gray little blocks so
[14:01] <Neoti> the problem is pointed at kdenlive, so i thought i would add another clip in avi format from a couple of months ago and see what happend and again i got the same little gray blocks in clip monitor so the problem would seem to be kdenlive... i had an ubuntu 10.10 installation on a machine so i updated kdenlive to latest and added the same videos and no little gray blocks. so the problem now points to kdenlive on unity/u
[14:01] <Neoti> buntu 11.10. i do still have some problems with rendering but i think i have found a way to fix them
[14:03] <popey> Neoti: what video card?
[14:03] <Neoti> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
[14:03] <popey> colour me unsurprised
[14:04] <Neoti> also i have tried this in 11.10 on a dell 15r laptop and i get the same results
[14:04] <popey> i get video corruption when using 3d desktop recording on nvidia
[14:04] <Neoti> that has an intel graphics card
[14:05] <Neoti> humm...... so if i dont use 3d desktop it should be fine ? humm time to test that out
[14:06] <popey> i had better success with unit2d and the compositor switched off
[14:06] <popey> for recording a 3d game specifically
[14:11] <popey> AlanBell: i use bitlbee connected to google talk for my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>address.
[14:13] <shauno> I've never actually tried bitlbee.  does moving that kinda thing into your irc client really work out well?
[14:17] <popey> i dont use it that much tbh
[14:17] <popey> not many people contact me via IM anymore
[14:27] <Neoti> popey i think you might be right about compositing ? i not longer get grey blocks on 11.04 gonna test on my other machine un unity 2d with no composit
[14:30] <popey> i did have some success with just recording the desktop using an ffmpeg script
[14:30] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ffscreencast
[14:30] <popey> which records the audio from the sound card and from a microphone
[14:49] <Neoti> popy AlanBell ok after testing im sticking with avi works in kdenlive 10.10 and my videos from now on are going to be in avi not ogv but i need to find a ubuntu screen capture program that will output in avi format
[14:49] <Neoti> AlanBell just testing openshot now ...
[15:05] <Neoti> ok i have had a quick play and ogv sucks BIG TIME!!!!!!! the videos i made on windows with CamStudio in AVI format work perfectly for editing, the ubuntu recordings with recordmyscreen suck... i can not edit them well some messes up!!
[15:06] <gord> you know you can convert ogv into another format prior to editing right?
[15:06] <Neoti> yes and when i did that it might as well had been a ogv file same thing happend.....
[15:06] <popey> depends what you convert it to
[15:07] <popey> also, this is not news ☺
[15:07] <Neoti> ogv to avi with memcoder
[15:07] <popey> ogv has never been good for video editing
[15:07] <gord> would be nice to move things over to webm these days also, theora is old
[15:07] <Neoti> WHY THE FOOK DO GOOD PROGRAMS LIKE RECORDMYDESKTOP USE IT THEN !!!!! AGH... OGV SUCKS!!!
[15:08] <popey> because some of us dont actually edit
[15:08] <AlanBell> it is easy to write to I guess
[15:08] <gord> at any rate, if you convert it to say mp4 using mencoder - then still have problems. the issue is not with the container or the codec
[15:08] <gord> but rather, the editor
[15:08] <Neoti> ok ok... if you are recording something to just dump on youtube fine its ok... but when you want to edit it and add titles and cut bits out ITS FLIPPIN CRAP!!!!
[15:08] <popey> +1
[15:08] <AlanBell> and you don't have to pay licenses to anyone to create a video in ogv format
[15:09] <popey> so convert it?
[15:10] <Neoti> i would love to see a program like CamStudio be ported to ubuntu and USE AVI!!!!
[15:10] <Neoti> CamStudio is awesome...
[15:11] <Neoti> it outputs in a good editable format ... IE Kdenlive will edit it...
[15:11] <popey> my ffmpeg script does ☺
[15:11] <popey> as does kazam
[15:11] <Neoti> i want recordmydesktop to switch to AVI!!!
[15:11] <Neoti> lol :P
[15:11] <gord> avi is a bad format, everyone is moving away from it
[15:11] <popey> use h264 in an mkv container and you will have more success IMO
[15:12] <Neoti> kazam did not give me the option to save the video after i recorded a 30 sec test clip just loading term typeing ifconfig clear finish video etc
[15:12] <Neoti> gord yes h264 and mkv is good... i have had nothing too bad happen when trying to edit that format ...
[15:13] <gordonjcp> Neoti: .ogv/.avi makes no difference
[15:13] <Neoti> but camstudio outputs to avi so ... have to use what i got...! lol
[15:13] <gordonjcp> Neoti: it's just a wrapper around the encoding
[15:13] <gordonjcp> like I told you earlier
[15:14] <gordonjcp> Neoti: the problem is you basically don't understand video editing ;-)
[15:14] <gordonjcp> any sort of compressed format that uses keyframes is going to give you problems
[15:14] <popey> Neoti: i recorded a video 5 mins ago with kazam and it worked fine
[15:14] <Neoti> gordonjcp i see your point but after riding my hair out for the last week trying to edit 1 10min video the evidence i have says something else is going on.
[15:14] <gord> love film send me too many discs these days, keep losing them
[15:14] <gordonjcp> Neoti: okay, what are you shooting on?
[15:15] <Neoti> recordmydesktop on a HP DX2400 dual core @ 800x600 @15FPS
[15:15] <gordonjcp> okay
[15:15] <gordonjcp> so what output format is it saving to?
[15:16] <Neoti> i have pauses in the video where i clicked pause etc
[15:16] <popey> ahhh
[15:16] <Neoti> ogv
[15:16] <popey> you pause recordmydesktop?
[15:16] <popey> yeah, dont do that, thats broken
[15:16] <Neoti> yes
[15:16] <Neoti> just like in camstudio
[15:16] <gordonjcp> Neoti: yes, but what format?
[15:16] <popey> gordonjcp: ogv
[15:16] <popey> rmd only records to ogv
[15:17] <popey> rmd is barely maintained anymore
[15:17] <popey> as is xvidcap so i asked for it to be removed from the repo
[15:17] <popey> we shoudl fix up kazam and get rmd removed too
[15:18] <Neoti> popey yes...
[15:19] <Neoti> however on my 11.04 it just does not load
[15:19] <gordonjcp> wow
[15:19] <AlanBell> what is the package name for kazam?
[15:19] <gordonjcp> rmd *really* shows up the graphics corruption bug ;-)
[15:19] <Neoti> on 11.10 on my laptop it loads but after recording does not give me options to save
[15:19] <popey> AlanBell: its nmot in the repo yet
[15:20] <popey> https://launchpad.net/kazam
[15:20] <popey> there is a ppa
[15:20] <popey> and #kazam
[15:20] <popey> dev is very active
[15:20] <popey> and is keen to get it in the repo for 12.04
[15:20] <swat_> afternoon
[15:20] <popey> hi swat_
[15:21] <gordonjcp> :-/
[15:21] <gord> heh, just an ffmpeg frontend, neat
[15:21] <popey> yeah
[15:21] <swat_> popey: are you still interested in the lecture idea?
[15:21] <gordonjcp> I was going to use something like rmd or kazam to record a demo video of some of my software
[15:21] <gordonjcp> that's not going to work though
[15:21] <popey> swat_: remind me when/where?
[15:22] <gord> should get it moved over to webm
[15:22] <swat_> popey: the where would be crawley/brighton - but the date is up for discussion
[15:22] <popey> gord: it does already do webm
[15:22] <gord> popey, am just reading the code, but it looks hard-coded to x264 from here
[15:23] <popey> wonder if he removed webm then
[15:23] <popey> you looking at lp:kazam?
[15:23] <AlanBell> x264 is the one franhoffer want a cut of right?
[15:23] <gord> i am, it actually looks like the temp file gets saved as x264 then it gets encoded with gstreamer over to whatever you want
[15:24] <popey> ah
[15:24] <gord> the temp file needs to be changed to webm or, really, something lossless
[15:24] <gord> AlanBell, franhoffer and about a million other people
[15:24] <gord> there is a "consortium" ;)
[15:24] <popey> file a bug gord ☺
[15:24] <AlanBell> gord: a cartel
[15:24] <popey> the problem is that webm writing isnt anywhere near as performant
[15:24] <popey> so you get a crappy fps
[15:25] <Myrtti> I was going to suggest on the mailing list to use a live disk and run 'shred -vn 7' on the disk, but then I read man shred and it says it's not reliable on ex3 (and probably not on ext4 then, either)
[15:25] <gord> yea huffyuv would make more sense
[15:25] <Myrtti> now I'm disappointed and baffled
[15:25] <popey> but huffyuv has colourspace issues
[15:25] <popey> rgb vs yuv
[15:25] <Neoti> avi created by camstudio on ubuntu 11.10 in kdenlive works
[15:26] <penguin42> Myrtti: Shred on the entire disk is OK, shredding individual files on a journalled filesystem is difficult
[15:26] <gord> theres a colourspace conversion, but yuv has enough precision to handle it
[15:26] <gord> mathematically, rgb -> yuv -> rgb will end up with a different value, but really just because of floating point limitations
[15:27] <penguin42> Myrtti: If something overwrites the data in a file the filesystem may just put the new data elsewhere not really overwriting the original sector
[15:27] <penguin42> Myrtti: And it'll go through the journal as well
[15:27] <popey> in gstreamer gord ?
[15:28] <gord> popey, don't follow, whats it got to do with gstreamer?
[15:28] <Myrtti> oh, that would make sense, I suspected that could be the case and it was - as I said - baffling
[15:28] <popey> how else will the conversion happen gord ?
[15:29] <popey> if kazam wrote temp to huffyuv and you choose to export/save to x264 or webm
[15:29] <gord> popey, ffmpeg converts the rgb screen capture to huffyuv. gstreamer loads the huffyuv and then just deliverts the video data (doing any conversions it needs, gstreamer handles that fine) to the encoder
[15:29] <gord> honestly, pretty much every video codec under the sun is in yuv or some variant anyway
[15:30]  * AlanBell fails to be impressed by kazam results so far
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> Kazam. Is that like shazam?
[15:38] <popey> I'd like to see anyone impressed with any screencasting app on linux, especially on a composited desktop ☹
[15:38] <popey> they _all_ suck
[15:39] <penguin42> the graphics drivers need fixing!
[15:39] <penguin42> popey: Are the gnome-screenshot apps working reliably for you with compositing?
[15:39] <shauno> hopefully it'll see some improvement when they finally take X out back 'n shoot it
[15:39] <penguin42> shauno: Doubt it
[15:40] <popey> i hear the gnome shell screencasting app is good
[15:40] <popey> not tried it
[15:40] <penguin42> popey: The reason I ask about the screenshot is that you'd hope the screencast stuff would use the same mechanisms
[15:41] <gord> gnome-screenshot works fine
[15:41] <gord> but it takes one huge framebuffer snapshot, screencasting apps can't have that luxury if they want to be quick
[15:41] <penguin42> gord: Sure - but isn't it the same interface?
[15:42] <gord> no
[15:42] <penguin42> ah
[15:42] <penguin42> gord: what interface do the screen casters used?
[15:42] <popey> x11grab
[15:43] <AlanBell> with kazam do you save the file or send it to openshot?
[15:43] <penguin42> but either way that means the graphics card is successfully getting the composited data back for the screenshot
[15:43] <popey> i always save
[15:44] <gord> you are assuming that graphics cards are syncronous
[15:44] <AlanBell> ok, I was sending to openshot and it seemed really low resolution and 8 minutes long for some reason. then the desktop crashed altogether
[15:44] <gord> they are very very asyncronous, X will return that a geometry on the screen has changed - but the gpu has not drawn it yet
[15:45] <penguin42> gord: Ah, and the full screen shot is doing a sync?
[15:45] <gord> it doesn't matter for a fullscreenshot
[15:45] <gord> you are just capturing what things are like now
[15:45] <penguin42> gord: Yeh true
[15:52] <AlanBell> turns out kazam is fine, openshot is not best friends with webm right now
[15:53] <popey> webm doesnt seem mature enough
[15:54] <gord> its pretty good for what i need it for, basically as a format i can trust youtube won't screw up
[15:54] <gord> and its better than theora as a "default" for ubuntu, given we can't choose 264
[15:55] <popey> yeah
[15:56] <gord> the thought occurs that it has been far too long since we have had a new season of the IT crowd
[15:56] <popey> they didnt renew
[15:56] <popey> iirc
[15:59] <gord> extended special in 2012 then thats our lot :(
[16:43] <popey> BigRedS: hows the speccy?
[17:04]  * bigcalm awakens
[17:06] <Pendulum> bigcalm: sleeping away your weekend?
[17:07] <bigcalm> Pendulum: was at a dinner party until 2am last night. Then had to deliver Hayley to a coach pick-up point for silly o'clock in the morning. Went back to bed :)
[17:07] <bigcalm> Pendulum: still feel full from last night
[17:14] <popey> gord / AlanBell did we decide that there is a bug already filed about focus stealing from hud if you press alt to open and alt to close it?
[17:21] <AlanBell> bug 921249
[17:22] <AlanBell> bug 921407
[17:22] <popey> nice one
[17:23] <AlanBell> bug 921512 affects the dash as well as the hud
[17:24] <AlanBell> just notice it more on the hud because with the hud you are still doing stuff in the application on the other monitor, if you bring up the dash you are normally switching tasks
[17:33] <HazRPG> sup all \o
[17:34] <AlanBell> o/ HazRPG
[17:34] <AlanBell> how is the land of the pyramids?
[17:35] <HazRPG> AlanBell: not too bad :)
[17:35] <HazRPG> AlanBell: how's things back home?
[17:35] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[17:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: good afternoon ^_^
[17:37] <HazRPG> anyone here had any luck with the Huawei e5830 on ubuntu here?
[17:37] <HazRPG> doesn't seem to pick it up on 11.10 for some reason correctly :/
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1411777 ?
[17:38] <HazRPG> (in USB mode, not wifi)
[17:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I seen that, its an old post that worked on 10.10/10.04... doesn't seem to work at all on 11.10
[17:40] <HazRPG> (well lsusb picks it up incorrectly at least)
[17:42] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: shows up as being "12d1:142d" when it should be "12d1:1401" if i'm not mistaken
[17:42] <Supermanintights> hey guys, i run the following set up on my computer - hdd's - http://screencast.com/t/FVSbJ2Bp1AE - can someone give me a suggestion on how i can merge G with C?
[17:42] <Supermanintights> I've ran out of space on drive C so need to increase it somehow
[17:43] <AlanBell> Supermanintights: you appear to be running windows
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: maybe you need usb-modeswitch?
[17:43] <Supermanintights> AlanBell, i run windows and ubuntu
[17:44] <Supermanintights> windows is the active OS on that screenshot, but it's just what i'm working in - i can switch to ubuntu in seconds if it's required?
[17:44] <AlanBell> Supermanintights: well I am not really sure what the question has to do with Ubuntu :)
[17:45] <AlanBell> I guess ubuntu is the 20gb drive with 4gb of swap right?
[17:45] <Supermanintights> LOL
[17:45] <AlanBell> s/drive/partition/
[17:45] <shauno> the platform-agnostic answer is that the partitions labelled there as C: and G: aren't going to be mergable if that's what order they're in on-disk.  you need concurrent space for that
[17:45] <Supermanintights> AlanBell, the question is justified as ubtunu guys helped me to arrange the different partitions ;-), yes you're right
[17:46] <AlanBell> I think windows has something like LVM these days but I don't know what they call it
[17:46] <HazRPG> Supermanintights: what shauno said... (took the words out of my mouth almost - sorta speak)
[17:47] <Supermanintights> cheers shauno/hazrpg - i'm looking at a way of changing the order now
[17:47] <shauno> last time I used windows, the partitioner was a blue & yellow tool in dos :/
[17:47] <shauno> so I've no idea what it'll offer to abstract a volume above those two
[17:48] <HazRPG> Supermanintights: without risking being hit in the face, the only way your going to be able to do that is lose some data to have some space to merge with
[17:48] <HazRPG> s/without/at the risk/*
[17:49] <Supermanintights> meh
[17:49] <Supermanintights> ok, thanks
[17:49] <Supermanintights> i'll find a way
[17:53] <HazRPG> Supermanintights: best thing to do, open up the "manage" tool (I forget its actual name in windows, access: right-click "my computer" or "Computer" and pick "Manage") and select the hard drive management one... then screencap that so we can see the order of your drive
[17:53] <HazRPG> Supermanintights: alternatively, go into ubuntu and check out gparted
[17:54] <Supermanintights> i did try gparted before, but i couldn't figure it out - how to do this task
[17:54] <Supermanintights> http://screencast.com/t/xM4pOm8JKT
[17:55] <HazRPG> Supermanintights: to merge, your going to have to clear something first, be it the G: drive, etc... but it highly depends on the order your drives are partitioned
[17:55] <Supermanintights> would it be better/easier to go back into gparted? (only reason screenshots are windows is because it's what I'm using at the moment) - hte B/G (same one) drive are empty
[17:55] <Supermanintights> it's basically a partition i'm trying to extend into C - as i don't have the space to install anything else on it anmore
[17:55] <Supermanintights> anymore
[17:55] <popey> is G empty?
[17:56] <Supermanintights> yeah
[17:56] <gordonjcp> Supermanintights: or buy a new hard disk
[17:56] <popey> are c and g contiguous?
[17:56]  * Supermanintights looks up that word
[17:56] <popey> next to eachotehr
[17:57] <Supermanintights> oh, no
[17:57] <HazRPG> popey: see his new screen if you can
[17:57] <popey> which one?
[17:57] <Supermanintights> http://screencast.com/t/xM4pOm8JKT - (G is now B - i tried cheating that way)
[17:57] <popey> based on that screenshot what do you want to do exactly?
[17:57] <popey> merge D and G?
[17:57] <Supermanintights> no
[17:57] <popey> er D and B
[17:57] <Supermanintights> d: is my storage, that's fine
[17:58] <HazRPG> seems to me, that D and B are logical, so the only merge you can do is D to B...
[17:58] <Supermanintights> C:\ has less than 1gb of free space - that's my windows software partition
[17:58] <Supermanintights> i need to merge B with C
[17:58] <Supermanintights> C needs to be extended
[17:58] <popey> ok, that can be done, but its long and you could lose data
[17:58] <popey> but I would do it in gparted
[17:58] <Supermanintights> i'm happy to go to gparted
[17:58] <popey> delete B, move D up the disk
[17:58] <Supermanintights> give me 2 seconds and i'll boot into it now
[17:58] <popey> no
[17:58] <popey> wait
[17:59] <popey> bah
[17:59] <HazRPG> bah indeed o.O
[17:59] <Supermanintights> sorry, i was hasty - "delete B, move up the disk"
[17:59] <Supermanintights> ok, what next
[18:00] <popey> well, first is 'backup'
[18:00] <HazRPG> popey: is it really possible without him a) losing ubuntu settings/etc, b) losing media and storage, c) losing both data
[18:00] <popey> yes HazRPG
[18:00] <popey> i haven't finished
[18:00] <HazRPG> popey: cool, go ahead :)
[18:00] <Supermanintights> backup - my backup drive is corrupted, so i'll have to take the risk (I'll live if it loses everything)
[18:02] <popey> ok, so basically the thing you want to do is delete B, shrink the extended partition D lives in, move the extended partition containing D to the right, move the swap partition to the right, move ubuntu partition to the right, expand C into the space made
[18:03] <Supermanintights> ah i get you
[18:03] <Supermanintights> i think
[18:04] <popey> you can do all that in gparted
[18:04] <Supermanintights> awesome
[18:04] <Supermanintights> just backing up my work files and nzb's onto my mem stick
[18:04] <Supermanintights> then i'll go do it
[18:05] <mattt> if there's anything i dislike doing, it's shopping
[18:05] <HazRPG> popey: ahh, i see what you did there...
[18:11] <DJones> Has anybody noticed that American TV ad's are actually better than 80% of British TV?
[18:12] <gordonjcp> DJones: no, not particularly
[18:12] <DJones> Just watching some tv via the web which has american tv ad's and they're far funnier & more entertaining
[18:14] <gordonjcp> I don't know
[18:14] <gordonjcp> I find that 99% of american TV programmes seem to be just a stream of dick and fart jokes with a laugh track badly dubbed over
[18:14] <gordonjcp> or crap police procedurals that constantly drop the anvil about the evils of drugs
[18:15] <DJones> I'm just talking about the tv ad breaks, not the programmes themselves
[18:16] <gordonjcp> ah, I don't watch TV with ads in
[18:17] <gordonjcp> I don't really watch a lot of TV, tbh
[18:17] <AlanBell> DJones: when I was in America everything seemed to be adverts for drugs you should demand from your doctor
[18:17] <DJones> AlanBell: This is mostly cars & IRS tax savings scams
[18:18] <DJones> Apart from the $10 any size, any toppings pizza hit pizza
[18:20] <bigcalm> Home alone for the weekend. What do I want for tea?
[18:20] <DJones> bigcalm: Pizza or Chilli
[18:20] <DJones> Or chilli beef pizza
[18:21] <bigcalm> Next!
[18:21] <DJones> Salad?
[18:22] <bigcalm> Next!
[18:22] <Pendulum> sushi
[18:22] <DJones> Actually, thinking about it, Salad should be against the COC anyway
[18:22] <bigcalm> Pendulum: I'd love to, but supermarket sushi is a joke. If I wanted fresh, it would mean a long drive
[18:23] <gordonjcp> o_O
[18:23] <gordonjcp> *make* sushi fresh
[18:23] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: I'm in the mood for others to make food for me :P
[18:26] <bigcalm> Pizza, chinese, chips, kebab. Those are the same-old same-old options I can think of
[18:29] <popey> gnnnnnnnnn
[18:29] <popey> GPU lockups
[18:30] <bigcalm> How does one eat a GPU lockup?
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> eee - we used ta dreeem o GPU lockups when we were kids!
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> eveninks all o/
[18:34] <popey> flour tortilla, tomato puree spread on top, some ham, another tortiila on top, more tomato puree, cheese, ham, another tortilla, cheese, slam in oven. add chilli to taste..
[18:47] <mrevell> bigcalm,  Hey, around?
[18:49] <bigcalm> ...
[18:49] <bigcalm> Oops
[18:51] <penguin42> http://www.youtube.com/my_speed is interesting, speed averages as seen by youtube for you, your isp, apparent location, country etc
[18:52] <gordonjcp> interesting stuff
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ooh, shiny
[18:56] <penguin42> I'm averaging about 7.1Mbps apparently - ADSL sync'd at about 11Mbps
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> I'm still waiting (since October..) for the fibre people to finish their work
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> Fibre with my address on it sticks out of the ground 7 floors down
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> I WANT MY 500/500!
[18:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: And then what is supposed to happen? Do they run fibre up to your flat?
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yes
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: everyone gets a (set of) fibre for themselves
[18:57] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: OK, it's just it would kind of make sense for a building of that size to run fast fibre to the basement and shove a switch on it
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: so 500/500 for everyone who wants it!
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they're thinking big :)
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> I love the way SETI@Home keep sending *me* BOINC work packets to search for... me.
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> Here I am - right under their noses!
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:02] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  ? to you too
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: ‽
[19:03] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: just my way of saying hi
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Hi! :)
[19:06]  * bigcalm would like to be able to drag/drop contacts between google accounts in Thunderbird. Somebody make this happen please
[19:07] <bigcalm> Oh, it did work :D
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> wut
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> you can drag contacts from tbird to gmail?
[19:11] <popey> gnnnn
[19:11] <popey> another gpu lockup
[19:11] <popey> this thinkpad can't come fast enough
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: gpu lockup? what kind of gpu
[19:13] <popey> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 08a0 (rev a2)
[19:13] <swat_> 3~/lastlog -h
[19:14] <swat_> hehe, that went well
[19:14] <popey> wow, have you heard the bong you get in a terminal if you press backspace on a command line that has nothing on it
[19:14] <popey> in unity2d
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: no?
[19:14] <popey> oh, also from irc hilights
[19:14] <popey> its offensively loud
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: BOING
[19:14] <popey> yeah, thanks
[19:14] <StevenR> popey: *BONG*
[19:15] <popey> sonar
[19:15] <popey> in mixer -> sound effects
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> try 'glass'
[19:16]  * popey chooses mute
[19:16] <popey> trying unity 2d to see if i still get gpu lockups
[19:16] <bastones> What GPU do you have popey? Just wondering.
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> bastones: an nvidia one
[19:19] <bastones> Ah right
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: nouveau or the non-free driver?
[19:20] <bastones> Have you installed the proprietary driver?
[19:21] <popey> i am using nvidia-current, yes
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: does nouveau work at all?
[19:22] <bastones> Did you have the same issue(s) when using the nouveau driver?
[19:22] <popey> it works, but i havent used it recently
[19:22] <bastones> You may want to try uninstall the proprietary driver perhaps. just a thought.
[19:22] <popey> sure, one thing at a time
[19:24] <bastones> I suggested it in the case that using Unity 2D results in the same issue.
[19:29] <HazRPG> anyone good at debugging/fixing audio issues? Because I'm sadly still without sound :(
[19:29] <HazRPG> seems jackd screwed things up (and it only got installed because an app installed it), however reverting back to pulse/alsa seems to not be working
[19:30] <HazRPG> pulse just seems to hang on startup
[19:34] <popey> did you uninstall jackd?
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> yes, and jackd2 :)
[19:54] <mattt> uk netflix is horrendous
[19:54] <mattt> what's the deal?
[19:55]  * mgdm discovers the Magic Trackpad he got works with gestures if you use Unity, but requires faff to make it work on not-Unity
[19:55] <mgdm> bah
[19:56] <mgdm> oh, it requires compiz
[19:56] <mgdm> Hmmm
[19:59] <zleap> hi all
[20:00] <ali1234> popey: so are you using nvidia on precise?
[20:01] <ali1234> i want to upgrade because unity keeps crashing when i minimize windows
[20:01] <ali1234> it's happened about 5 times now
[20:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Python GTK Documentation - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/28/python-gtk-documentation/
[20:17] <ali1234> !hardy
[20:18] <swat_> !precise
[20:19] <swat_> nice
[20:19] <pangolin> I am.
[20:20] <ali1234> maybe i should upgrade this VPS
[20:20] <ali1234> i wonder what the options are
[20:23] <swat_> when's the podcast back?
[20:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[20:34] <czajkowski> boo
[20:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: treated myself to a new mobo/processor/memory bundle so am trying it out
[20:36] <jacobw> evening
[20:36] <davmor2> next skype test
[20:37] <czajkowski> sweet
[20:37] <gord> would quite like a new motherboard
[20:39] <davmor2> gord: £149 quad core phenom asus mobo complete with uefi onboard gfx(but I'm using my dedicated card) 4gig of memory but upto 32gig seemed fair to me :)
[20:41] <gord> davmor2, i just want a new motherboard as the usb controller is acting up on mine ;)
[20:42] <davmor2> gord: what CPU?
[20:43] <gord> davmor2, quad core i7 on mine
[20:43] <davmor2> hmmm can't help you out there sorry :(
[20:44] <gord> to be honest, the only reason i haven't got one is because i'd have to take everything apart and put it back together again
[20:44] <gord> not the most fun way of spending my weekend
[20:47] <davmor2> gord: that's what I've just done I had great fun apart from the fact I only had a 20 not 24 pin power connector :)
[20:52] <davmor2> right I'm gone enjoy your weekends all
[21:02] <shauno> re: twitter; does popey really have tiny fingers?
[21:05] <gord> i've not spent a large amount of time looking at popey's fingers
[21:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road  28th January 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=64
[23:13] <popey> shauno: have you seen the size of leffe glasses?
[23:13]  * mgdm makes chocolate cake
[23:13] <mgdm> mmmm, leffe
[23:13] <shauno> yes, I have a few.  living with students ftw :D
[23:14] <popey> heh
[23:14] <jutnux> Hey all, what have we been up to tonight?
[23:15] <directhex> fosdem gives opportunities for leffe
[23:15] <shauno> mostly, arguing with people who are wrong on the internet.  luckily, elsewhere entirely :)
[23:15] <directhex> drunk as nature intended: out of the bottle, for breakfast
[23:16] <mgdm> hard core
[23:16] <jutnux> Sweet
[23:16]  * popey watched benjamin button with wifey whilst drinking leffe bruin
[23:16] <jutnux> Sounds fun
[23:17] <popey> 7.5/10
[23:17] <jutnux> I sat playing poker with 8 other people and becoming slightly entoxicated.
[23:19] <mattt> had a look at netflix uk -- bit disappointing
[23:19] <popey> how so?
[23:19] <popey> other than silverlight
[23:20] <jutnux> Netflix was good for the month free trial ;-)
[23:20] <mattt> popey: selection is terrible
[23:20] <mgdm> I'm hoping they get an app on the Sony Bravia some time soon so I can try it out
[23:20] <mgdm> Lovefilm has that, for what it's worth
[23:26] <shauno> I've been rather disappointed with netflix too
[23:26] <shauno> the good news is that it adapts if it thinks you're travelling.  you'll be offered the US library from a US IP
[23:27] <shauno> other than that, it's mostly bollywood and chinese movies
[23:28] <shauno> a fantastic example, is that it has "donnie darko 2: samantha darko".  but not "donnie darko" itself.  B-movies'R'us
[23:28] <mgdm> I didn't even know there was a sequel
[23:28] <popey> stay that way
[23:29]  * mgdm is currently watching Ghostbusters
[23:29] <shauno> neither did I.  until I got netflix-uk ;)
[23:29] <mgdm> hehe, thanks for the anti-recommendation
[23:29] <popey> bedlington methinks
[23:29] <popey> nn chaps
[23:29] <popey> and Daviey
[23:30] <mgdm> g'night popey
[23:30] <shauno> I understand that they have to renegotiate content with the local licencees.  my main problem is that you can only do the trial once.  so I can't check back in 6 months to see if they have any content yet
[23:30]  * mgdm is still amused that the XML namespace for XUL is http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul
[23:30] <mattt> shauno: i did a random search for superbad and two of the actors in it ... nothing came up
[23:30] <mattt> shauno: which gives you an indication as to how lacking it is


[20:09] <Laney> hey
[20:10] <Laney> I'm trying to make a change to a lens
[20:10] <Laney> can I somehow run it in the foreground to see debugging output on stdout?
[20:14] <davidcalle> Laney, which one?
[20:14] <Laney> :P
[20:14] <Laney> you make me reveal my plan
[20:14] <Laney> the shopping lens
[20:14] <Laney> ajmitch tells me I can just run ./unity-lens-shopping
[20:14] <Laney> er ./unity-shopping-daemon
[20:14] <davidcalle> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity-shopping-daemon
[20:15] <Laney> running it from the tree
[20:15] <davidcalle> Yeah, works too
[20:15] <Laney> sure does
[20:15] <Laney> ta
[20:15]  * ajmitch has just done that with python lenses, seemed to work ok
[20:49] <Laney> woohoo
[20:54] <popey> woohoo?
[20:56] <Laney> something like that
[21:00] <Laney> erm, my autotools changes worked first time. I thought this wasn't allowed to happen? Something's up.


[00:05] <FredUbuntu> Hello, It seems that there's is the same bug when opening MUSESCORE on Ubuntu studio 16.04
[00:05] <FredUbuntu> https://musescore.org/en/node/86971
[00:05] <FredUbuntu> i saw there that this bug has been fixed in version 2.03, see answer #54 here: https://musescore.org/en/node/86971
[00:06] <FredUbuntu> but i can't manage to install version 2.03
[00:06] <FredUbuntu> (can't find it in repositories)
[00:13] <teward> FredUbuntu: probably doesn't exist yet in the repositories
[00:13] <teward> FredUbuntu: because it doesn't exist in Debian yet as 2.0.3, it's not existing in Ubuntu
[00:14] <FredUbuntu> i had an answer from #ubuntu devel
[00:14] <teward> poking Debian to update may be a start
[00:14] <teward> ok
[00:14] <FredUbuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/musescore/+bug/1574432
[00:14] <teward> yeah i'm reading there now :)
[00:15] <FredUbuntu> seems that it'll fixed soon


[00:01] <directhex> hm. do i still serve any purpose being here? are we happy about the mono 2 transition as applied to kde4bindings?
[00:02]  * Riddell hasn't looked at the mono issue at all
[00:02] <Nightrose> (no updated kaffeine yet)
[00:03] <Riddell> Nightrose: have patience
[00:03] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Would you please do the binary New processing on quassel in intrepid-backports?
[00:03] <Riddell> or go to bed and wake up to working kaffine
[00:03] <ScottK-laptop> I'd like to give it a try ...
[00:03] <Nightrose> what is that patience you are talking about Riddell? :P
[00:04] <Nightrose> but yea - i should go to bed
[00:04] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I don't thing there are any remaining issues specific to the Mono transition.
[00:04] <Nightrose> but still stuff to do :(
[00:04] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: You're welcome to hang out anyway though.
[00:05] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: accepted
[00:05] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, i don't run kde, so don't have anything useful to offer in the context of this channel, now that the main issue is resolved. so i shall /part
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Thanks.
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> OK, we can break Mono again now.
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[00:10] <siekacz> hi
[00:12] <ScottK> Now to see if my sarcastic comment gets published.  I read http://adi.roiban.ro/?p=78 and commented that how about we make it so our translations aren't worse than what upstream provides first before we get all high and mighty about localization.
[00:14] <NCommander> Riddell, or ScottK, do you know specifically who I can send an email to about kdebindings?
[00:15]  * ScottK looks at Riddell and runs away.
[00:15] <ScottK> Actually going off to pick up $YOUNGEST_CHILD from the FINAL Nutcracker rehersal.
[00:17] <seele> Tonio_: get in albor now
[00:22] <nixternal> Tonio_: WHERE ARE YOU? :)
[00:23] <NCommander> Nightrose, you floating around?
[00:24] <Nightrose> jep
[00:24] <Nightrose> wasup?
[00:24] <rgreening> yo
[00:24] <siekacz> do i need to install google gadgets to use google widgets in KDE 4?
[00:24] <NCommander> We just had a great moment in real life
[00:24] <Nightrose> hehe tell
[00:25] <NCommander> Nightrose, ask seele
[00:25] <Nightrose> seele: tell! :P
[00:25] <jjesse> seele and NCommander what was te great moment?
[00:25] <jjesse> did i miss the best part of #uds?
[00:26] <rgreening> some funny stories from tonio
[00:26] <jjesse> ah
[00:26] <rgreening> my side stil hurts
[00:26] <Nightrose> oh come on
[00:26] <Nightrose> tell us
[00:26] <rgreening> what happens at UDS stays at UDS
[00:26] <Nightrose> :(
[00:26] <rgreening> unless you beg
[00:26] <rgreening> :P
[00:26]  * Nightrose begs
[00:26] <Nightrose> :P
[00:26] <jjesse> that's not what i heard
[00:26] <seele> Nightrose: freudian slip when i went to say your name
[00:26] <rgreening> OMFG
[00:26] <jjesse> oh boy
[00:26] <rgreening> hahahahahah
[00:27] <Nightrose> oh dear :P
[00:27] <Nightrose> do i wanna know?
[00:27] <NCommander> Probably not.
[00:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: session now?  albor
[00:28] <seele> Tonio TOOOOOONIO
[00:28] <jjesse> he's probablly out smoking
[00:28] <seele> for 30 minutes?
[00:28] <Hobbsee> !vistalover > nixternal
[00:29] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee!
[00:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're welcome!
[00:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so, about this MIRC....
[00:33] <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!
[00:37]  * Hobbsee updates ubottu
[00:38]  * Jucato kicks nixternal and Hobbsee before disappearing into the void
[00:39]  * Hobbsee tickles Jucato
[00:40]  * Jucato dies laughing.. in the void
[00:40]  * jpds thinks that UDS makes everyone hyper.
[00:40] <Jucato> good that it does :)
[00:40] <Jucato> that hyper has to last for 6 months :)
[00:41] <jpds> I'm going to miss everyone till next time though.
[00:49] <nixternal> I am not going to miss any of you!
[00:49] <nixternal> just kidding
[00:50] <NCommander> nixternal, it could be worse
[00:51] <NCommander> nixternal, we could just follow you home to Chicago
[00:52] <nixternal> we have plenty of guns in chicago, so be careful
[00:54] <Jucato> well, I will miss you all :)
[00:57] <Jucato> well, I guess that's that! goodbye everyone! thanks for the help, the time, the company, and the Kubuntu :D
[00:57] <Jucato> I wish you luck, power, and more ninjas
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: oops... too concentrated on the amarok packaging.... missed that one,but for good reason :)
[01:19] <rgreening> ~twitter update UDS is finished (for me at least) and going home... cheers
[01:19] <kubotu> status updated
[01:29] <rgreening> apachelogger: kde4bindings fails due to csharp http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/84617/
[01:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyPackageManager new spec!
[02:18] <ScottK> So this is way harder to set up than Konversation.
[02:18] <ScottK> I think it'd need some real work to be suitable as a default, but who knows ...
[02:50] <Riddell> yeah, it's a geek app is quassel
[02:54] <ScottK> How much does dumping Konversation off the CD save us?
[03:14]  * ScottK would look at the HP printing stuff for space savings first.  That's all pretty irrelevant if you don't have an HP printer.
[04:45] <manchicken> Howdy.
[04:46] <ScottK-laptop> Howdy manchicken.
[04:46] <manchicken> How goes schtuff?
[04:47] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: One thing that would be a huge help with quassel is if they'd add an openssl exception to their code so we can link quassel against openssl and legally ship an SSL enabled version.
[04:47] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: See http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html for a good explanation.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: OK.  UDS is over and so I guess everyone that went is en route back home.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> They decided no more KDE3 in Main, so we need an IRC client to replace Konversation.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> They also decided KPackageKit and no more Adept too.
[04:50] <ScottK> So I'm experimenting with quassel a bit.
[04:50] <ScottK> It'd not read for average users by a long shot.
[04:52] <ScottK> read/ready
[04:52] <ScottK> manchicken: ^^^
[04:53] <manchicken> Interesting.
[04:53] <manchicken> Need any help with any of that?
[04:53] <manchicken> heh
[04:53] <manchicken> I've been getting slightly bored from time to time.
[04:55] <ScottK-laptop> I'm certain KPackagKit will need significant love.
[04:58] <manchicken> Ack, he left.
[04:58] <ScottK> Not really.
[04:58] <ScottK> KNetworkManager hiccuped.
[04:59] <ScottK-laptop> There's a list around here somewhere.
[05:01] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: So what do you want to work on.
[05:02] <manchicken> ScottK-laptop: What do you want me to work on?
[05:02] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: You're a volunteer, I want you to work on something you think will be fun.
[05:02] <ScottK-laptop> I know that's not an answer.
[05:03] <manchicken> hahahaha
[05:04] <manchicken> I'm not a volunteer, I'm manchicken.  I sporadically work on whatever you want me to work on... then I disappear for a year.  haha
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> OK
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> How about a KDE front end version of apturl?
[05:05] <manchicken> And apturl is?
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> I know we need that and I don't think anyone is working on it.
[05:05] <manchicken> Is that like gdebi or something?
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> Some thing for grabbing crap from third party repositories.
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> ish, although that's for installing and this is more for finding I guess.
[05:06] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno much, just know we need it.
[05:06] <manchicken> This? https://launchpad.net/apturl/
[05:06] <manchicken> Is that an authoritative source?
[05:06]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[05:06] <manchicken> Err, that looks rather empty
[05:07] <ScottK-laptop> https://code.launchpad.net/apturl
[05:07] <manchicken> Is that a kio slave that we need then?
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> That or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu/ not sure which is better.
[05:08] <manchicken> Sorry, it's been a while since I've played here, it might take me a few to get back.
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: I just package this stuff, I don't understand hpw any of it actually  works.
[05:08] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> hpw/how.
[05:09] <manchicken> So it looks like the first thing I need to do is talk to mvo.
[05:09] <ScottK-laptop> I guess.  I recall him saying something about making changes to make it easier to put a different front end on it.
[05:12] <manchicken> Yeah, when we did UDS Sevilla he seemed very interested in making UIs more pluggable.
[05:12] <manchicken> Oh, wow, he even added an abstraction layer here.  That's sexy.
[05:13] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  There you go.  Something that needs doing and it's even sexy.
[05:19] <manchicken> Hah
[05:29]  * seele yawns
[05:30] <seele> sleepy.. want to get on plane
[05:36] <manchicken> Is your flight being held up?
[05:45]  * ScottK-laptop finds http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/devel/source/kvirc-kde4.html and thinks someone ought to have a look at it.
[05:45] <seele> manchicken: no, it is at 22:30
[05:45] <seele> 45 minutes from now
[05:46] <seele> why do people think that they can start complaining about kde4 to me and think i care, let alone will fix anything
[05:47] <seele> crimsun: do you go to any of the local events?  i didn't get to talk to you much at UDS
[05:47] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I know he goes to some DC loco stuff.
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was there any discussion about the fate of guidance-power-manager?
[05:48] <seele> ScottK-laptop: power devil ftw afaik
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Right, I already unseeded guidance, so it'll drop to Universe the next time component mismatches get processed.  I think we should just remove it.
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> People will bitch, but it's buggy and not particularly maintained.
[05:49] <seele> ok
[05:50] <seele> also, we need to have a kubuntu meeting asap.  probably soon after chrismas since Riddell is off galavanting around Cali next week
[05:50] <seele> there is a lot of coding work this cycle, and a lot of stuff was delegated to package ninjas
[05:50] <ScottK-laptop> I'll be travelling 12/22 - 29.
[05:50] <seele> hmm
[05:50] <ScottK-laptop> seele: manchicken just volunteered to do the KDE apturl thingy.
[05:50] <seele> there are a lot of "it depends" decisions we'll have to be prepared for
[05:51] <seele> i dont know what that is :)
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> It's on the list of crap that needs doing.
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> And the lack of it is what was making Firefox pull in half of Gnome.
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> That's about all I know.
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was keeping Konversation on the CD one of the 'it depends'?
[05:52] <seele> no.. there will be no KDE3 stuff
[05:52] <seele> and konversation for kde4 is unlikely
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well there's zip for KDE4 IRC clients.
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> svn snapshot of kvirc-kde4 is all I could find.
[05:52] <seele> right, i think earlier we basically decided no preinstalled irc client
[05:53] <seele> and if someone wants konversation, they can download and install the kde3 libs
[05:53] <seele> quassel isn't an option
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> Agree on that.
[05:53] <seele> it would take too much time to port the kopete irc plugin
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> Kvirc neither from what I recall.
[05:53] <seele> i think rgreening will look in to some pykde stuff, but i dont think that is hopeful
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> He's already doing a couple of pykde things.
[05:54]  * ScottK-laptop grumbles.
[05:54] <ScottK-laptop> IRC is the primary communication means in this distro.
[05:54] <seele> which is pretty silly, not everyone uses IRC
[05:54] <ScottK-laptop> It seems at least slightly counter intuitive to not provide an IRC client in the default desktop.
[05:55] <seele> Lydia is OK with this, and since she is our biggest community relations person then it must not be that big of a deal
[05:55] <seele> then we need to port the Kopete IRC plugin (which is in c++ which noone knows) or pykde or ponies
[05:56] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken knows C++
[05:56] <manchicken> Barely :P
[05:56] <ScottK-laptop> You win.
[05:56] <manchicken> hah
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> I'd just like to have a release with a complete desktop.  I care a lot less about which KDE bits get used.
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> Oh well.
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> Off to bed with me before I get too bitter.
[05:59] <manchicken> hah
[06:01] <seele> gah.. flight delayed
[06:03] <ScottK-laptop> Lovely.
[06:04] <ScottK-laptop> seele: We told people that Intrepid would be a little sketchy and they might want to hold off, but that Intrepid +1 would be the one.  I think it's a mistake to deliver less even in a small area.
[06:06] <seele> ScottK-laptop: sure, but Jaunty isn't LTS so I dont think we should worry about it
[06:06] <ScottK-laptop> Well I disagree, but I guess the decision is made.
[06:07] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was it no KDE3 in Main or no KDE3 on the CD?
[06:07] <seele> ScottK-laptop: no kde3 on the cd.  afaik it will still be in main
[06:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well that's something I guess.
[06:08] <seele> actually.. i'm not 100% sure about that.  better ask someone else
[06:08]  * ScottK-laptop looks around for someone else who was at the meeting?
[06:09] <ScottK-laptop> I guess my best hope is to go distract the k3b devs so that has to stay KDE3.
[06:10] <seele> ScottK-laptop: theyre probably all out
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> Figured.
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> I guess I have to either keep pestering you or go to bed.
[06:11] <seele> heh yeah
[06:11] <seele> i hope i make it on the plane before passing out.  i think i've managed to make everyone around me yawn at least once
[06:16] <seele> hmm.. looks like only 20 minute delay.  but then again we haven't begun boarding
[06:17] <ScottK-laptop> Well good luck.  I am, in fact, going to go to bed now.
[06:26] <manchicken> seele: So, is the kopete IRC plugin just needing a KDE4 port?
[07:05] <Riddell> ddddd
[07:13] <manchicken> Riddell: Howdy.  You're home already?
[07:47] <mornfall> Does that mean I can definitely retire Adept?
[09:45] <siekacz> hi
[09:48] <siekacz> By next week, internet will be illegal... ofc in Poland :)
[10:37]  * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now
[10:54]  * siekacz is back.
[11:05]  * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now
[11:07]  * siekacz is back.
[11:22] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: ScottK: I'll let the Quassel guys know - thx
[11:22] <Nightrose> and i don't know how ready we can get quassel for the enduser until jaunty
[11:23] <Nightrose> but if seele or someone else is willing to work with them I can push at least one of their devs
[11:23] <Nightrose> but it definitely needs a good usability person with quite some time
[11:23] <Nightrose> they know they have usability problems and want to work on it afaikt
[11:24] <jussi01> just that they never have enough time.... ;)
[11:25]  * jussi01 waves to  Nightrose
[11:27]  * Nightrose waves @ jussi01 :)
[11:28] <Nightrose> jussi01: yea that is a problem but if they know our situation and know that they have the chance to become the default irc client it might get things moving
[11:28] <jussi01> Nightrose: and If I send them more vodka :D
[11:29] <jussi01> but yeah, you are correct
[11:29] <Nightrose> haha
[11:29] <Nightrose> right
[11:29] <jussi01> we should get them in the loop there.
[11:30] <Nightrose> jep
[11:30] <Nightrose> but it really needs someone to help them with usability
[11:31] <Nightrose> and unless seele wants to do it herself or finds someone else to help i don't see how it would work
[11:31] <jussi01> hrm, who apart from seele are our usability experts?
[11:32] <Nightrose> that is the problem ;-)
[11:35] <jussi01> ahhh
[12:44] <Nightrose> ScottK: ScottK-laptop: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/view.php?id=441 - their working trees are pretty messed up right now so he filed a bugreport so it doesn't get forgotten - but it looks like they have no problem with it
[14:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: kaffeine seems to be working again
[14:01] <Nightrose> thx
[14:03] <sikor_kde> anyone experienced with PyKDE? i am having a hard time connecting signals of kio-slaves, signal/slots work with gui elements, but slaves' signals never reach my slots :/ (http://pastebin.com/m4095193f)
[14:16] <smarter> sikor_kde: it's (KJob *), not KIO::Job
[14:16] <smarter> self.connect(copyjob, SIGNAL("result (KJob *)"), self.slotResult) << works that way
[14:20] <sikor_kde> smarter: WORKS!
[14:20] <sikor_kde> thanks!
[14:20] <smarter> :)
[14:20] <smarter> y/w
[14:20] <smarter> found that after a quick search on http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1Job.html
[14:20] <sikor_kde> where is the documentation for that
[14:20] <sikor_kde> ahh ok
[14:21] <smarter> api.kde.org is useful even for Python programming
[14:21]  * sikor_kde scratches his head
[14:22] <sikor_kde> i've looked at api pages a 1000 times
[14:22] <sikor_kde> maybe the python references were outdated here
[14:22] <smarter> http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.Job.html seems correct
[14:23] <sikor_kde> i'm also a bit puzzled, because my python installation does not seem to like all capitol letters in classnames
[14:23] <sikor_kde> in tutorials you often find stuff like KURL and KIO
[14:25] <sikor_kde> by accident i found out, that it's supposed to be KUrl
[14:26] <smarter> strange
[14:27] <sikor_kde> is that a special coding requirement for python?
[14:28] <sikor_kde> because i tend to give my classes uppercase names aswell, if they contain abreviations
[14:28] <sikor_kde> like MySSLClass
[14:28] <smarter> maybe the name of the class changed
[14:29] <smarter> do you have an example of doc using KURL/KIO and it works with KUrl/other?
[14:30] <sikor_kde> http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/IOSlavesTutorial?highlight=(KURL)
[14:31] <sikor_kde> the c++ classes are still named KURL
[14:33] <smarter> the code in this tutorial works here
[14:35] <sikor_kde> i cannot use KURL here
[14:35] <sikor_kde> NameError: global name 'KURL' is not defined
[14:36] <smarter> "from kdecore import KURL" doesn't work?
[14:37] <sikor_kde> ImportError: cannot import name KURL
[14:37] <smarter> something is wrong on your system then
[14:37] <smarter> try "from PyKDE4.kdecore import KURL"
[14:38] <sikor_kde> that's the line in my code
[14:38] <sikor_kde> i just can do import KUrl
[14:39] <sikor_kde> maybe there is some global python setting to ignore uppercase?
[14:39] <smarter> oh, hmm, with PyKDE4.kdecore, it doesn't work too
[14:39] <smarter> with just kdecore it works
[14:39] <sikor_kde> ah ok
[14:39] <smarter> anyway, according to http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kdecore/KUrl.html you should just use "*"
[14:41] <sikor_kde> ok
[14:42] <sikor_kde> anyway: i
[14:42] <sikor_kde> err
[14:43] <sikor_kde> do i have to use the c++ signals?
[14:43] <sikor_kde> http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.ListJob.html <- there are signals listed aswell
[14:46] <smarter> yes
[14:47] <sikor_kde> hmm "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (Job*, const UDSEntryList&)"), self.slotEntries)" doesn't seem to work :/
[14:50] <sikor_kde> and "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)"), self.slotEntries)" will even crash the application
[14:51] <smarter> KJob*
[14:54] <cbr> hmm, i'm using the amarok-kde4 package from the ppa
[14:54] <cbr> and it just won't play one album
[14:54] <cbr> it outputs this into the console
[14:54] <cbr> QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - ühtki pala ei esitata., 0:00
[14:56] <cbr> very strange :S
[14:59] <sikor_kde> smarter: from where did you get this? http://api.kde.org/4.1-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1ListJob.html says the signal is "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" :/
[14:59] <smarter> sikor_kde: just guessed, maybe I'm wrong
[14:59] <smarter> never used kio before actually :p
[15:00] <sikor_kde> ok
[15:01] <sikor_kde> is there any way to debug this?
[15:01] <sikor_kde> it's like poking around in the dark
[15:11] <freeflying> Riddell: is there any possibe to sync the translation with kde now? the trasnlation quality on lp is really not so nice
[15:25] <sikor_kde> uhm
[15:25] <sikor_kde> the signal "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" might just not work in python\
[15:25] <sikor_kde> since there is no UDSEntryList
[15:25] <sikor_kde> just UDSEntry
[17:10] <rgreening> I'm home.. woo-hoo
[17:11] <rgreening> ~twitter update Just arrived back in St. John's. It's actually warmer here than Mountainview.. heh
[17:11] <kubotu> status updated
[17:59] <rgreening> ~twitter update UDS: Best feel good quote given by a track lead to the Kubuntu team - "you guys rock". Now that's a great compliment :)
[17:59] <kubotu> status updated
[18:02] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'm getting all kinds of build issues. I must be forgetting something. Do you have a PPA with the new packages built thus far?
[18:02] <apachelogger> no
[18:02] <apachelogger> feel free to upload kdelibs
[18:02] <apachelogger> pimlibs needs a change though
[18:03] <rgreening> hmm... have you got the dsc/diff for me to build/upload kdelibs?
[18:04] <rgreening> seeing you reviewed
[18:04] <rgreening> NCommander has my usb stick.. ACK
[18:34] <jjesse-dell9> afternoon :)
[18:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: IMHO we should create a small app that can download konversation
[18:56] <apachelogger> s/download/install
[18:56] <Nightrose> hmm yea maybe
[19:08] <manchicken> I thought someone was talking about bringing in the kopete IRC plugin.
[19:09] <manchicken> Is that not the case
[19:09] <manchicken> Does it need a KDE4 port or something?
[19:09] <manchicken> (the kopete plugin, not konversation)
[19:48] <glade88> was the adding of new entries to task manager widget intensionally reversed (made left to right) ?
[19:52]  * JontheEchidna hasn't noticed that
[19:53] <glade88> so guessing, it wasnt intensional :)
[19:54] <apachelogger> glade88: it sorts them
[19:55] <glade88> apachelogger: on what order? no of open windows?
[19:56] <apachelogger> I dunno
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am not a fan of it
[19:56] <apachelogger> as I am not of grouping
[19:56] <glade88> :)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> my dad's biggest pet peeves about KDE4 (besides things not working the way they used to) is that the taskmanager is one row and that there isn't any grouping
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> he's got like 15 xterms open at any given time
[19:58] <glade88> with 2+ apps open, grouping is "activated"
[19:58] <glade88> 2+ different
[19:58] <glade88> apps
[20:06] <glade88> any idea whats this? http://forum.kde.org/manual-grouping-of-taskbar-entries-t-19760.html
[20:07] <smarter> JontheEchidna: you can force it to use two rows
[20:07] <smarter> or more
[20:07] <smarter> glade88: it sorts alphabetically by default
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> smarter: he doesn't have 4.2 beta installed
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> it's his work computer
[20:08] <smarter> unfortunately the two rows are really small with the default theme
[20:08] <glade88> smarter: ah.. thanks
[20:09] <smarter> glade88: it's configurable (:
[20:12] <glade88> +1. /me missed that out :)
[23:12] <Tm_T> hmmmmmh
[23:13] <Tm_T> who I should blame if after installing some gnome bits, my KDE session gets infested by gnome
[23:13] <Tm_T> like, metacity overrided kwin
[23:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yourself for installing gnoem bits in the first place?


[01:31] <ahoneybun> rpadovani: around?
[10:14] <t1mp> zsombi_: ahayzen was yesterday trying something similar to what you are doing: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12209037/
[10:14] <t1mp> zsombi_: but yeah, like that you only need a single function binding
[10:15] <ahayzen> t1mp, are you at the sprint?
[10:15] <t1mp> ahayzen: no
[10:15] <ahayzen> ah
[10:16] <zsombi_> t1mp: yes, ans as I said, there can be only one function set there... and that's not enough for us
[10:16] <t1mp> right
[10:16] <t1mp> zsombi_: what if we don't return anything in the addPageTo*Column, and we add a pageAdded(Page) signal?
[10:17] <t1mp> ahayzen: the problem with the incubator is that only a single functin can be bound to onStatusChanged. So if we watch the event internally, you cannot use it any more from the returned incubator
[10:17] <t1mp> *function
[10:17] <ahayzen> :-/
[10:17] <ahayzen> but you would only ever want it todo ^^ anyway right?
[10:17] <ahayzen> so you could just do that internally ?
[10:18] <ahayzen> t1mp, what would happen if you did Connections { target: pageIncubator; onStatusChanged: {} } ?
[10:24] <t1mp> if I understood zsombi_'s explanation well, you cannot do that because the onStatusChanged of the incubator is not a real signal, but a callback function
[10:26] <ahayzen> ah
[10:27] <t1mp> kalikiana: do you have time for a quick review? https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/headercontents/+merge/269436
[10:28] <t1mp> kalikiana: or slow ;) any speed you like actually
[10:30] <ahayzen> t1mp, is there a recommended way of doing different header actions per head section? assuming something like using states in the root page ?
[10:30] <t1mp> ahayzen: what do you mean with head section?
[10:31] <t1mp> ahayzen: you  mean in the different columns in the AdaptivePageLayout?
[10:31] <t1mp> ahayzen: each Page in a column has its own actions which will be shown in the (sub)header of that column
[10:31] <ahayzen> head { sections { } }
[10:31] <ahayzen> we have different header actions per section, i've got it working one sortof hacky way trying to figure out if there is a better way
[10:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: are you using the sections.model to specify the sections?
[10:33] <t1mp> ahayzen: instead of the model with strings, you can give a list of Actions to the "actions" property
[10:33] <ahayzen> t1mp, yup
[10:33] <ahayzen> ooo
[10:34] <ahayzen> t1mp, are there any examples of this?
[10:35] <t1mp> yes
[10:35] <t1mp> uhm.. the online docs are probably not up-to-date :(
[10:35] <ahayzen> yeah :'(
[10:35]  * ahayzen looks in the code
[10:36] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you did a "qmake && make docs" in a recent lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit checkout, then check documentation/html/qml-ubuntu-components-sections.html#actions-prop
[10:36] <ahayzen> ah :-)
[10:37] <t1mp> ahayzen: head.sections is a Sections item, so it works the same in the header, just set head.sections.actions: [ ... ]
[10:37] <ahayzen> found it :-)
[10:37] <ahayzen> hmm that looks possible..not the next challenge will be the different states
[10:37] <ahayzen> as they have like search bars :-)
[10:39] <kalikiana> t1mp: lol, lemme make some tea and do a slow review then ;-)
[11:28] <ahayzen> t1mp, is there a supported way for starting on a different head section index other than 0 ? eg this doesn't work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12213477/
[11:29] <t1mp> ahayzen: it should work. Can you report a bug?
[11:29] <ahayzen> if i delay it enough so that selectedIndex is set after everything has been fully created, it seems to work
[11:29] <ahayzen> okies :-)
[11:36] <ahayzen> t1mp, bug 1489850
[11:37] <t1mp> ahayzen: thanks. I confirmed it
[11:37] <ahayzen> t1mp, awesome thanks :-)
[11:37]  * ahayzen appears to be creating loads of work for the SDK folks ;-)
[11:45] <t1mp> ahayzen: no you are doing good work pointing out the flaws that we still need to fix in new components :)
[11:45] <ahayzen> t1mp, hehe no problem :-) are they likey to be fixed in the same timeframe as the others? eg OTA7ish ?
[11:46] <ahayzen> as all these things i find will be blockers to landing convergence for music
[11:47] <t1mp> I'll do my best for OTA7, but it might be OTA8
[11:47] <ahayzen> cool :-)
[11:53] <Nymerea> Hello guys
[11:54] <Nymerea> Someone has a tutorial for translate an application (ubuntu touch) with qmake ?
[12:09] <t1mp> Nymerea: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/internationalizing-your-app/
[12:09] <t1mp> Mirv: ^thanks for finding the link :)
[12:10] <Nymerea> t1mp, thank you, I'm going to check it
[12:14] <Mirv> tiyou're welcome :D
[12:14] <Mirv> t1mp
[14:26] <Lava141> hi
[14:26] <Lava141> hum im makeing a application but i want an idea
[14:49] <elopio> popey: do you know where can I find the source for the nearby photos scope?
[14:51] <popey> elopio: i do not, kyleN may
[14:52] <kyleN> hi
[14:52] <kyleN> elopio, we have a nearby aggregator scope and a photos aggregator scope
[14:53] <kyleN> (we also have my photos scope, a child scope, and other photo child scopes, like facebook photots, instagram and so on)
[14:53] <elopio> kyleN: on the nearby scope, I see a section that's called nearby places in flickr.
[14:53] <elopio> I want to copy some of that.
[14:53] <kyleN> yes
[14:53] <kyleN> hang on
[14:55] <kyleN> hmm. it turns out that code is not yet public (although I don't see a reason why it isn't except it hasn't happened yet ;)
[14:55] <kyleN> elopio, what do you want to do specifically?
[14:56] <elopio> kyleN: I want to make a scope for nearby places in mapillary. I don't know how to make scopes, or how to get the gps position, so copying seems the easiest way to learn.
[14:57] <kyleN> elopio, OK. I can point you to some public code and resources
[14:58] <elopio> kyleN: thanks.
[14:58] <kyleN> 1) developer info  on scopes with api docs is here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/
[14:58] <kyleN> 2) what follows is some urls to some public scopes:
[15:00] <kyleN> thinking...
[15:01] <elopio> kyleN: I think I can make it with a gps example.
[15:01] <kyleN> what you really want is a simply scope that uses location awareness and calls a web api, right?
[15:01] <kyleN> simple
[15:01] <kyleN> elopio, ^
[15:02] <elopio> kyleN: yes, I think so.
[15:04] <kyleN> elopio, the reason I hesitate is that two "simple" public scopes (day scope and holidays scope) require a access token from the web apis they call. you can get them for free.
[15:04] <kyleN> but they will not build unless you provide that info in a file in your root project directory
[15:05] <kyleN> let's use Day scope as an example (this is the top child scope displayed in the Today scope)
[15:05] <kyleN> Day scope accesses an authenticated web api at timeanddate.com to get the lunar phase
[15:06] <kyleN> you can go to timeanddate.com and get a developer account (free) and get your api key and api secret
[15:07] <kyleN> so, first bzr branch lp:day-scope && cd day-scope
[15:07] <kyleN> create a file named "assets" there that contains this:
[15:08] <kyleN> set(APIKEY <yourkey>)
[15:08] <kyleN> set(SECRETKEY <yoursecret>)
[15:08] <kyleN> you need to create a 15.04 arm click chroot to build in, like this (iirc):
[15:09] <kyleN> sudo click create -a armhf -f ubuntu-sdk-15.04
[15:09] <kyleN> now in day-scope/ (yoru project dir: mkdir build && cd build
[15:10] <kyleN> now you can build it (probably) with this command in build/: click-buddy --arch armhf --framework ubuntu-sdk-15.04 --dir .. --provision
[15:11] <kyleN> (--provision also installs it on your attached device)
[15:12] <kyleN> elopio, regarding location: you can get your lat and long from the SearchMetadata object as shown here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~day-scope-team/day-scope/trunk/view/head:/src/query.cpp#L213
[15:13] <kyleN> then you can formulate your web api call and parse the (probably) json results to build you scope results
[15:13] <elopio> kyleN: okay, thanks a lot.
[15:13] <kyleN> you are welcome
[15:13] <elopio> this will take some time, but I'll be back with questions :)
[15:13] <kyleN> popey, will be happy to help (kidding ;)
[15:14] <popey> lies
[15:58] <kunal> hi every body
[15:58] <kunal> can any body help me
[15:59] <kunal> i want to contribte to ubuntu open source projects.
[15:59] <kunal> ?
[15:59] <kunal> ????
[16:01] <kunal> seriously no one?


[01:24] <genii> @comment 69456 Inappropriate nick, trolling arch vs ubuntu
[02:14] <genii> @comment 69458 Racist trolling
 dont work
[03:29] <bazhang> I miss the old !work factoid
[03:29] <bazhang> a bit snarky, but not that bad
[03:29] <genii> I tend to agree
[03:29] <Unit193> Pretty awesome, it was.
[03:30] <bazhang> that was the age of de-fun-ifacation of all the factoids
[03:30] <bazhang> during the reign of JUSSI XIV
[03:41] <valorie> what did it say?
[03:41] <valorie> the !work
[03:42] <bazhang> dont work? does it lay around all day? stay on irc? and some other funny
[03:44] <Unit193> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[03:44] <bazhang> haha
[03:45] <genii> Got changed to !details
[03:46] <Unit193> valorie: There were some wonderful factoids.  I believe only one remains.
[03:46] <Unit193> !42
[03:46] <genii> !prayer
[03:47] <valorie> lol
[03:47] <genii> Maybe a few.
[03:47] <bazhang> !opsnack
[03:47] <Unit193> !opabuse
[03:47] <bazhang> there used to be some for various opers as well
[03:47] <genii> !hi or !hello seems to have been removed also
[03:48] <bazhang> from #ubuntu yeah
[03:48] <Unit193> !hi-#xubuntu
[03:49] <genii> Not sure why, seems pretty innocuous
[03:49] <Unit193> genii: Overuse.
[03:49] <genii> Hm
[05:11] <huscurian> Ops, !defrag link is dead
[06:56] <DJOnes> Looks like the domain It certainly is, website linked in the factoid has lapsed & is up for sale, may be worth changing the link to http://askubuntu.com/questions/1090/why-is-defragmentation-unnecessary unless somebody can see a better link
 IDK. Noone helped me with anything so far on this channel.
[14:34] <k1l_> maybe its because he is ranting all the time and saying he will use other distros or making a better one himself
[14:34] <bazhang> heh yeah
[14:34] <bazhang> his last two posts yesterday filled my entire hexchat screen
 are you doing 32 64 bit thing right
[18:30] <bazhang> sounds like emacs


[00:30] <valorie> LFNW is coming up; are we going to do a table?
[03:48] <MarkDude> Rock it with awesomeness valorie ?
[03:49] <valorie> hi MarkDude
[03:49] <valorie> I know that KDE wants a table
[03:49] <valorie> not sure about *buntu users
[03:49] <valorie> happy new year, MarkDude
[03:51] <MarkDude> Hello
[03:51] <MarkDude> Manigong Bagong Taon
[03:52] <MarkDude> Happy New Year in Tagalog :)
[03:52] <valorie> tagalog is spoken in the phillipines, right?
[03:52]  * MarkDude has been getting into KDE, mostly on F21
[03:52] <valorie> excellent!
[03:53] <MarkDude> Yep, Im pretty good at understanding some. Amusing wjilst speaking it
[03:53] <valorie> we're just discussing that in linuxchix as well
[03:53] <valorie> a German friend of mine is learning Korean
[03:53] <valorie> it's so good for your brain to learn new languages
[03:54] <MarkDude> Is that a channel I can join? Its hard to keep track
[03:54] <MarkDude> Korean is great, it has alphabet
[03:54] <valorie> linuxchix has their own server: irc.linuxchix.org
[03:54] <MarkDude> and also not tonal
[03:55] <valorie> this guy picked up english by himself as a kid by reading english novels
[03:55] <MarkDude> Ah ok, today is misandry Monday in one of my channels, just found out #feminism is invite only
[03:55]  * valorie is full up on channels and servers
[03:55] <MarkDude> Tonal languages can be hard to deal with, Vitenamese the most
[03:55] <MarkDude> I think they have like 1 million tones
[03:56] <MarkDude> or maybe 15
[03:56] <MarkDude> Vietnamese :D
[03:56] <valorie> pretty damn hard to pick that up as an adult
[03:57] <MarkDude> Yep, my gf can manage some of the nuance on some Chinese phrases- similar to how Cali folks can say a few Spanish things
[03:57] <valorie> having a family/partner connection can make it easier to keep at it, I think
[03:58] <MarkDude> Im gonna record my singing with my gf, we are making a routine for a comedy bar. at the start I speak really bad Tagalog (quality) by end
[03:58] <MarkDude> The only negative has been folks thinking I needed to learn to speak to my gf- lol
[03:59] <MarkDude> Shes not FOB, shes been here since 80s XD
[03:59] <MarkDude> She was resistant at 1st- since no need, until she saw my interests- (long story) Im gonna write some on it.
[03:59] <valorie> even american born people of asian descent get that
[04:00] <valorie> where are you born
[04:00] <valorie> no, I mean, where are you really FROM
[04:00] <valorie> wtf
[04:00] <MarkDude> lol
[04:00] <MarkDude> Kristina Wong
[04:00] <MarkDude> <3 she talks about that, as well as Yellow fever
[04:01] <MarkDude> Let alone recent SNL Asian Doll skit
[04:01] <valorie> about time we became "majority minority" so that crap can fade away
[04:02] <MarkDude> my gf has gotten into some of my SJ stuff- she saw Janet Mock - said I think you'll like her
[04:02] <MarkDude> Well I think we should have more jokes, but how we do them
[04:02] <MarkDude> Since SNL Asian doll sketch, I have written at least 3 jokes deemed ok- by quite a few
[04:03] <MarkDude> Oh yes, SNL should actually hire Asian folks
[04:03] <MarkDude> I think there black humor may be fine, due to having black folks involved
[04:03] <MarkDude> Sorry - ranting XD
[04:03] <valorie> I know
[04:05] <valorie> I most always miss SNL these days
[04:05] <valorie> too many ads
[04:05] <valorie> not enough funny
[04:05] <MarkDude> I should prolly add LC to my irc
[04:05] <valorie> lots of great people there, and you already know some of us
[04:05] <MarkDude> I was just starting to enjoy some clips of theirs via social media
[04:06]  * MarkDude is finding out"more of you folks know me" I mean that in sense of "the women"
[04:07]  * MarkDude was given nickname Fedora- which is ok, but I have to clarify - I dont WEAR them
[04:07] <MarkDude> Feminism 4 men Rule 4- dont be so sensitive.


[01:38] <wyoung> Walex: Ah yes, I have heard of that.  I wasn't sure on the acronym though.
[01:39] <wyoung> Morning by the way :)
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:34] <wyoung> .o/
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> whats the .
[04:40] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: shoulder
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> shoulder should be flat?
[04:41] <wyoung> as o/ culd be mistaken for a Heil Hitler!
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> -O/
[04:41] <wyoung> Maybe if you are a meathead
[04:42] <wyoung> Or you wear clothes fromthe 80s
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:45] <ducasse> good morning
[07:53] <[VMGuy23]> Good morning
[12:12] <wyoung> Good evening!
[12:12] <wyoung> Lets discuss!
[12:43] <shailangsa>  can anybody recommend a good laptop to run ubuntu on?
[12:44] <daftykins> define your needs
[12:46] <shailangsa> something which can be used for building android?
[12:48] <daftykins> hrmm that's a very weird and specific use-case
[12:49] <tomreyn> at least 2 GHz dual-core processor, 4 GB of RAM and 25 GB of free disk space is recommended
[12:53] <shailangsa> looking for one which would be able to install windows 8.1 on it?
[12:54] <tomreyn> there's ##windows for windows questions
[12:55] <shailangsa> EFI secure boots prevents the laptop from running any other OS?
[12:56] <tomreyn> not normally
[13:00] <tomreyn> if you want a computer which can run both ubuntu and windows in parallel, by running one of the two in a VM (a lot more convenient than a multi-boot setup in my opinion) then you'll probably want one with at least 8 GB RAM, at least 4 cpu threads, and a system produced in the past 10 years
[13:03] <shailangsa> thinking a high spec lenovo or Dell/HP/Asus/Acer?
[13:04] <daftykins> 8 is old now, not smart
[13:05] <shailangsa> huawei notebook?
[13:14] <tomreyn> shailangsa: how much do you plan to pay? which country will you buy in?
[13:14] <tomreyn> i wouldn't immediately choose by brand
[13:15] <shailangsa> ~£800, UK. I want to avoid any OEM which prevents UEFI secure boot from being disabled?
[13:16] <tomreyn> you prefer to no boot in uefi mode?
[13:16] <tomreyn> oh uefi secure boot, ok
[13:16] <daftykins> and you're married to the idea of a laptop? because you should bear in mind they're always weaker in performance terms
[13:16] <TJ-> building the complete android needs a LOT of oomph
[13:16] <shailangsa> i have a desktop already
[13:17] <daftykins> so why do you want to buy a potentially weaker system for a serious task?
[13:18] <shailangsa> something which is capable of it but wouldnt be used for it on a daily basis?
[13:22] <tomreyn> shailangsa: it might be better to build it remotely then, using the laptop just as a remote control
[13:22] <daftykins> +1 to that, assuming the desktop is of a decent spec
[13:23] <tomreyn> could also build 'in the cloud'
[13:23] <shailangsa> where could i build it?
[13:23] <tomreyn> if you still want to build locally on the laptop, i'd go for this, roughly: this would be my preferences for https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=nb&v=k&hloc=uk&sort=t&bl1_id=30&xf=12823_6%7E6763_Ryzen+4000%7E6763_Ryzen+5000%7E6763_Ryzen+PRO+4000%7E8150_AMD
[13:24] <tomreyn> any of the public clouds would work, or a rented dedicated server, too (but that's likely more expensive)
[13:25] <shailangsa> would it come with a linux distro ready for use or require installation?
[13:49] <tomreyn> shailangsa: this is not linux specific, so you'll need to check the details. there are some companies which sell computer with ubuntu pre-installed.
[13:54] <tomreyn> system76 is one, tuxedo computers is another. lotuscomputers is yet another. there's some lenovo and some dell systems. and there is purism, which sell computers with linux (not ubuntu, i think, but it serves a sa proof of concept / linux support) pre-installed
[13:56] <tomreyn> but i think you'll pay more with all of them for a system with acceptable specifications
[13:56] <shailangsa> acer/HP/Asus OK for running ubuntu in terms of no restrictions placed by the OEM regarding the OS?
[13:57] <tomreyn> the defaults may not work for installing and running ubuntu, you often need to make some changes to the bios configuration
[13:58] <tomreyn> but if this saves you some hundred bucks, it could be worth it.
[13:59] <daftykins> older generation Thinkpads are a great way to do it on a budget
[13:59] <daftykins> from ebay
[14:00] <tomreyn> https://linux-hardware.org/?view=computers can be a way to check whether a given model is going to work.
[14:01] <shailangsa> thinkpad is their top tier model?
[14:02] <TJ-> and newer. we paid ~ £550 for our Lenovo Thinkpad E495s with Ryzen 7 3700U
[14:02] <TJ-> I think they're more expensive now due to the shortages though
[14:02] <TJ-> replaced the standard 8GB RAM with 32GB and used daily to build Linux kernel and more
[14:03] <shailangsa> where did you buy it?
[14:09] <TJ-> shailangsa: directly from Lenovo
[14:09] <TJ-> I bought 6
[14:10] <shailangsa> lenovo support seems good
[14:12] <TJ-> shailangsa: ha! no! it's provided by IBM Global Technical Services, with warranty repairs done by Flex ... we've sent one back and are in big arguments with them since they claim CID (Customer Induced Damage) and ththe issues happened from day #1
[14:12] <TJ-> shailangsa: we're preparing to embarrass Lenovo with a satirical posting over social media.
[14:13] <TJ-> shailangsa: but the devices themselves are good workhorses
[14:13] <shailangsa> what issue?
[14:14] <TJ-> the ethernet port on the right had bent retaining tabs so once a cable was plugged in, it wouldn't release. Then we noticed hairline cracks developing over time at top-right and bottom-right of the upper keyboard cover. We've since spotted that last issue on 2 others
[14:14] <TJ-> we *think* it is a bad batch
[14:15] <TJ-> as in, there are not widespread reports matching what we've seen. We bought these as soon as they were released in March 2020 so bad early batch is feasible
[14:16] <TJ-> but it mostly just-works for Linux (a couple of niggles with amdgpu driver code-churn causing regressions, and TPM handling - that's generic to the kernel though, not make/model specific)
[14:18] <shailangsa> running ubuntu bare metal?
[14:21] <TJ-> yes
[14:21] <TJ-> well, running the *kernel* bare metal - the OS doesn't touch the metal!
[14:25] <shailangsa> do you have only one instance of it or can you boot from other hard drives too?
[14:28] <TJ-> shailangsa: how do you mean?
[14:28] <TJ-> shailangsa: can boot from external USB devices, yes
[14:57] <shailangsa> have you thought about getting one from HP/Dell/Acer/Asus?
[15:00] <TJ-> we evaluated all but at that time Lenovo were the first to have something deliverable with Ryzen 7 mobile chipset in
[15:00] <TJ-> AND that would sell it without an operating system installed
[15:01] <TJ-> ^^^ that was a fun part when we returned the faulty system... Flex reported the SSD failed and quoted £85 to replace it... because, presumably, the techie expected it to boot to Windows (we'd wiped the SSD before returning it)
[15:03] <shailangsa> does not having an OS pre-installed matter, is it just a case of wiping the SSD/hard drive and installing ubuntu on it?
[15:03]  * ogra points to https😕/certification.ubuntu.com/desktop
[15:04] <ogra> bah ... sorry ... the hexchat emoji plugin always messes up URLs
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !hardware
[15:04] <ogra> certification.ubuntu.com/desktop
[15:04] <ogra> there is quite a bunch of laptops listed
[15:05] <shailangsa> seems Asus isn't supported
[15:05] <ogra> yeah but dell, lenovo and HP
[15:11] <Metamorphosis> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/plasma-desktop-awesome.html
[15:35] <Maik> meh
[15:43] <shailangsa> seems like many of the latest laptops don't come with an ethernet port?
[15:44] <Maik> errrr.... lol
[15:44] <Maik> let me guess, Crapple
[15:53] <TJ-> shailangsa: not having an OS (windows) saves money usually, plus speaks to the kind of support you can expect with Linux on it later (or at least understanding)
[18:05] <shailangsa> going to get a thinkpad as they're one of the few laptops with ethernet ports, do they come with touch screen?
[18:07] <TJ-> hopefully not! that's another thing I like about them... no fingerprints all over
[18:32] <shailangsa> do you know of a laptop which come with an ethernet port and a touch screen?
[18:55] <tomreyn> shailangsa: that's an unusual configuration, because those with touch are meant to be presentation-style (usually with fully-foldable screen hinges), extra flat and don't have room for ethernet.
[18:55] <tomreyn> shailangsa: and those with ethernet are usually used by people who to get work done, not their screens dirty while looking cool
[18:57] <tomreyn> there are a few thinkpad yoga models which have a touchscreen and this extendable rj45 connector, though
[18:57] <tomreyn> those aren't your price class, though, cost twice and more
[19:18] <shailangsa> how about the dell latitude ones?
[19:25] <TJ-> shailangsa: on my Asus T300CHI transformer I used an external USB3 ethernet adapter
[19:27] <tomreyn> i would recommend against chooosing hardware by brand names as a primary criteria / selector.
[19:31] <tripelb>  -- THIS Page explains about internal IP addresses and external AND gives you your external IP address - It's just there automatically on the page, nothing to fill out no special requests. (This is so good that maybe even it should be on ubottu.)
[19:33] <tripelb> All I wanted was my IP address so I could ping myself from one device to another. It seemed elite and difficult. I don't know the terminal command that would do it but this website does. Yay.
[19:34] <shailangsa> tihking of avoiding external ethernet adapter seeing as the laptop will be connected to various other usb devices like external hard drive etc which may use up the USB bandwidth?
[19:34] <daftykins> no, but avoiding a dongle is always nice
[19:34] <daftykins> plenty of machines still with wired
[19:35] <daftykins> tripelb: you don't need to use a site to get your own IPs
[19:36] <TJ-> tripelb: "curl https://iam.tj/myip.php"
[19:37] <tripelb> daftykins (I remember you being around here years and years and years ago.) I asked in hash Ubuntu and couldn't figure out how to do it. I search for it. Oh I'll try that curl one. I'll have to look up the command curl too because I've never used it before.  I'm a long user of (only) basic bash.
[19:40] <tripelb> I've got this problem where my 20.04 locks up every two days. Okay it's less with Firefox than with Chrome. All I am using is 30 some tabs in only one browser at a time, IRC, and occasional really simple thing like an update in terminal, and maybe gedit of whatever passes for that these days. (And occasionally zoom. And discord. And cheese but not
[19:40] <tripelb> with zoom, lol one after the time for the camera thank you very much.)
[19:41] <daftykins> total freeze with the same image of your desktop still present, is it?
[19:41] <tripelb> shailangsao sArnold suggested that I keep running terminal on my phone and ping my computer and that'll give me some information when I look at my phone after the computer clutches up. I don't know how it works but then I can ask again.) _ any and all information and help is welcome.
[19:41] <daftykins> and yep guilty as charged, put in a good decade over in #ubuntu ;)
[19:42] <tripelb> Yeah when I say total freeze I mean something's going on in the background that I don't know about. I think that IRC keeps going. I'll have to check the next time it does that. I'll send an IRC message from my phone and see if the computer gets it. - also my computer beeps and I have no idea what's making the beep. I assume it's some kind of notifi
[19:42] <tripelb> cation. ...  This app for some reason.. If I start a line with something that can possibly merge into a user ID of someone who's in the channel - - it will put their user ID in there instead of my word. I've given up on that I'm not worried.
[19:44] <daftykins> probably wouldn't hurt to run a memtest regardless if you haven't already
[19:44] <tripelb> --- If I don't be too fragmented, now that I have your attention, is there some text program that's simple almost like g added but will allow me to have clickable links in it? (Mac has had that since way back in the last century.
[19:45] <tripelb> I will be happy to run a memtest. Is this the kind that checks the RAM memory or the kind of the checks my hard drive memory?
[19:46] <tripelb> (apologies typos++It is speech to text but anything but the fin al six or eight words scrolls off so I can't see it to check and proofread.)
[19:46] <daftykins> you'd know if your hard disk's cache memory was bad, but i'd hope you're on an SSD :D
[19:47] <tripelb> Okay I see it's RAM. Nope I'm not on an SSD. I think what I get in cash per month is about a third of the living wage they're trying to pass on the federal level -- which is almost here in California already.
[19:48] <tripelb> I have a hand me down Dell, half height, I'll have to figure out how old it is.
[19:48] <tripelb> I have two other computers that are desktops that I might be able to put together to make one that works. There is a display conflict in one of them and the hard drive is dead in the other. Detective work is in order.
[19:49] <tripelb> - okay I'll be back in a little while when I've done some things on the computer
[19:51] <daftykins> under £30 for an SSD now, treat yourself :D
[19:53] <TJ-> tripelb: you want to use just bash? exec 9</dev/tcp/iam.tj/80; echo -en "GET /myip.php HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: iam.tj\r\n\r\n" >&9 ; cat <&9
[19:54] <TJ-> oh and "exec 9<&-" to disconnect/close the FD
[22:23] <shailangsa> is it recommended to buy a refurbished laptop rather than a brand new one to run ubuntu on?
[22:25] <jeremy31> shailangsa: Some new ones are fine to run ubuntu on, I bought a HP a few years ago with a touch screen, ethernet port, but it did have Intel graphics only.  I have a 7 year old Lenovo that ran Ubuntu 20.10 fine
[22:35] <tomreyn> what "refurbished" means exactly is undefined. if battery life matters to you (why else would you get a laptop?), then you may need to buy a replacement battery, and may need to install it yourself, potentially loosing any warranty, and risking to not reassemble the computer properly. it also drives up the overall price.
[22:36] <daftykins> a pretty early decision will be whether battery life matters at all, or just portability between power sources :D
[23:03] <shailangsa> which HP with a touch screen and ethernet port?
[23:06] <tomreyn> there are a couple product (feature) / price comparison sites out there, pick one.
[23:09] <jeremy31> shailangsa: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077V38BC4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:17] <shailangsa> it seems the new laptops by HP et al do come with ethernet ports but it's jsut that they are categorized as mobile workstations