[00:18] <ChinnoDog> Where are flame wars?
[00:19] <rmg51> it's an email thing
[00:20] <rmg51> from PACS
[00:24] <MutantTurkey> reddit.
[00:24] <MutantTurkey> flame wars, pun threads.. same thing.
[00:27]  * TheEvilPhoenix yawns
[00:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> python can be a bitch sometimes >.>
[01:29] <pvl1> hello
[01:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> ohai?
[01:30] <rmg51> o/
[01:32] <pvl1> how is everyone
[01:34] <rmg51> I'm good
[01:36] <jackson> good here
[01:38] <pvl1> anyone live in the filly area?
[01:38] <pvl1> or better yet
[01:38] <pvl1> anyone have an idea if there are linux jobs in filly
[02:05] <jackson> I don't no
[02:06] <jackson> anyone from WPA?
[02:11] <ChinnoDog> Dossy: I have a web application I want to suggest you write
[02:11] <ChinnoDog> mostly because I am too lazy to do it
[02:11] <MutantTurkey> Works Progress Administration
[02:11] <MutantTurkey> ?
[02:12] <MutantTurkey> where is filly
[02:12] <MutantTurkey> oh philly
[02:12] <MutantTurkey> told you we should have passed that sugar tax to get more edu $
[02:12] <jackson> where's pixberg
[02:13] <jackson> hmm unkle Ben nos
[02:14] <MutantTurkey> wut?
[02:15] <jackson> Rotenburger
[02:15] <MutantTurkey> i havent seen any buggers here
[02:16] <jackson> chawks
[02:18] <jackson> or red kins
[02:18] <jackson> :0
[02:18] <jackson> :)
[02:26] <InHisName> I have /home/home/rich and I need to make it /home/rich   how to do that ?    especially since there is already a /home/rich  but I expect it to get overwritten.
[02:54] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: wait what?
[02:54] <MutantTurkey> what is in /home/home/rich?
[02:56] <ChinnoDog> Dossy: I change my mind. I don't need just a web application, I need a facebook application.
[02:58] <InHisName> I managed to get something to work:   sudo mv rich richx; sudo mv ./home/rich rich    did it and don't seem to be missing anything as far as I can tell.
[03:01] <InHisName> Only thing was is the lubuntu graphic has come back.    Must be in /home/rich somewere.
[03:04] <InHisName> the good ubuntu graphic would still be in the /home/richx area in similar placing.   I wonder where to look. The graphic appears after starting shutdown.
[03:06] <jthan> JonathanS: Nope. I only have one laptop at the moment (MacBook), so it wouldn't be of much use.  I did have a quick gander and I saw /a/ drive in the basement that was 2.5" SATA, but I didn't have time to look and see how big it was or anything else tonight. I just got home a few minutes ago.
[03:06] <InHisName> What is there, you ask, MutantTurkey?   about 74GB of stuff.       Former /home/rich now called: /home/richx is just a fresh build so very empty.
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> ah
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> why not just replace it?
[03:13] <MutantTurkey> if you are on a fresh build
[03:31] <ChinnoDog> looks like fb just got a new feature added. Makes it extra handy for stalking people and butting in where you don't belong.
[03:54] <jthan> ChinnoDog: what feature is that?
[09:26] <JonathanD> morning.
[09:42] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:42] <JonathanD> howdy
[10:16] <JonathanD> Whats up?
[10:17] <JonathanD> woot is boring today.
[10:32] <rmg51> breakfast :-D
[11:10] <MutantTurkey> mmmmm breakfast
[11:11] <MutantTurkey> switched over to winter blankets last night, slept 50 times better
[11:56] <InHisName> Whaaaat ?  JonathanD doesn't need more fancy colored t-shirts ?  Or are ALL clothes BORING ?
[11:56] <JonathanD> clothes are boring.
[11:56] <JonathanD> I try to avoid them.
[11:57] <JonathanD> I just travel around in bathrobe, which I have convieniently decided is not clothing.
[11:57] <InHisName> So you're one of the sun worshipers (sans clothing ) ?
[11:57] <waltman> I think I might have to turn my A/C back on today
[11:58] <JonathanD> tis only 64F
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:06] <JonathanD> morning.
[12:07] <InHisName> Fortunately my basement is still warmer than that !  So I can avoid heating bills a bit longer.
[12:08] <teddy-dbear> o/
[12:10] <JonathanD> I need to fix my basement door before it gets cold.
[12:13] <waltman> JonathanD: my apartment is usually stuffy
[12:14] <JonathanD> ah
[12:14] <JonathanD> oh hey
[12:14] <JonathanD> ginos?
[12:14] <JonathanD> or italian.
[12:24] <waltman> when were were going to do this?
[12:54] <InHisName> Why does one software center show 33700+ items and on another machine show only 2450 items.  Both are 11.04 ubuntu
[12:56] <rmg51> because one has the repos open the other doesn't
[12:56] <InHisName> what do I do to the the one with only 2450 to list ALL 33700+ items ?
[13:04] <rmg51> synaptic-settings-repos
[13:04] <rmg51> match your selections
[13:06] <rmg51> or in software center edit-software sources
[13:10] <rmg51> also, in software center make sure show all is checked under view
[13:24] <InHisName> Both have show all checked,  both have same items checked exactly.  Still the same HUGE disparity in item counts.
[13:32] <rmg51> under software sources. are both partners and independents checked?
[13:36] <rmg51> and if you make any changes don't forget to reload package info
[13:36] <rmg51> under edit
[13:51] <jthan> Morning everyone
[13:54] <ChinnoDog> morning--
[13:54] <jthan> Meh.. it's alright
[14:01] <jthan> Does lamalex ever actually come around anymore?
[14:01] <jthan> and did anyone SEE the contact bts3685|vps made on my facebook post the other night? Geez. It was surreal
[14:01] <jthan> A voice from the past.
[14:06]  * rmg51 doesn't do facebook
[14:07] <teddy-dbear> and he won't let me do it either :-(
[14:35] <InHisName> rmg51: yes both partners and indep checked.  All checking is identical.
[14:36] <rmg51> not sure then
[15:45] <pvl1> hello
[15:56] <JonathanD> waltman: friday.
[15:56] <JonathanD> I can do anything after 6pm.
[15:57] <waltman> What did you have in mind for Italian?
[17:15] <JonathanD> theres a place in norristown thats pretty cheap and nice.
[17:15] <JonathanD> it's a pizza place, but a good italian dinner menu too.
[17:15] <JonathanD> and calzones this <----------------------------------------------------------------------> ig
[17:15] <JonathanD> *big
[17:15] <JonathanD> they come out on a pizza tray and take up most of it.
[17:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[17:38] <pvl1> anyone going to see ROGER DALTREY tonight
[17:50] <ChinnoDog> pvl1: Who is that?
[17:50] <pvl1> former singer of the Who
[17:51] <pvl1> ChinnoDog, pretty sure he founded the who as well
[18:02] <rmg51> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Daltrey
[18:06] <pvl1> well im working at the concert
[19:06] <waltman> JonathanD: Sounds great. Let's try the Italian place.
[19:06] <JonathanD> Cool.
[19:10] <waltman> Giacomo's?
[19:11] <JonathanD> Mama Venezia's
[19:11] <JonathanD> They get great reviews.
[19:14] <waltman> Sounds awesome.
[19:14] <JonathanD> Last time the owner came and sat with us for a while to chat.
[19:15] <waltman> nice
[19:15] <JonathanD> we were contemplating getting tomato pie from there for fosscon.
[20:36] <andrew> http://i.imgur.com/ZSi0n.jpg
[20:53] <mr`zilla> andrew: One can only hope so.
[23:01] <ChinnoDog> Gobble gobble
[23:03] <MutantTurkey> anyone having freenoode being weird?
[23:04] <rmg51> seems ok to me
[23:05] <MutantTurkey> weird, last night i was having trouble
[23:05] <rmg51> besides, I just blame JonathanD ;-)
[23:05] <MutantTurkey> seems likely...
[23:05] <JonathanD> I do too.
[23:05] <JonathanD> Oh wait, no I don't.
[23:06] <rmg51> may as well join the party
[23:06] <JonathanD> http://www.vibrant.com/images/cables/lopsa/do-not-touch.jpg freenode server room.
[23:08] <rmg51> I thought that was your basement
[23:22] <JonathanD> nope
[23:26] <MutantTurkey> who's basement? mine
[23:27] <MutantTurkey> that doesn't seem like a well designed system


[11:52] <jgdx> balloons, right, I think that's exactly what they want to see
[18:13] <marka13> How would I go about viewing the landscape debug logs during node bootstrapping?  I am at the point of deploying openstack but the machine bootstraps, reboots, and then has no network connectivity?
[18:13] <marka13> during boot, i can see it is assigned an ip?
[22:52] <balloons> marka13, you'll probably want #ubuntu-server


[16:24] <ottomang7> I dont know if anyone answered my question yesterday, but does ubuntu and ubuntu studio support UEFI?
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> ottomang7: Somoeone did, and the short answer is yes.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> !uefi | ottomang7: Long answer
[16:25] <ottomang7> Thank you. I was doing other things so missed it.
[16:25] <ottomang7> I read up on that, thank you.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> Also, TL;DR: Ubuntu Studio IS Ubuntu, so anything there applies.
[16:26] <Eickmeyer> (general rule of thumb)


[07:13] <AbhiJit> hi
[07:18] <AbhiJit> hello
[07:18] <AbhiJit> anyone pleasee triage this bug:
[07:18] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/675887
[07:19] <AbhiJit> ubot2, is sleeping
[07:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675887 in firefox (Ubuntu) "download dialog box disturbs in firefox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:19] <ubot2> Factoid 'is sleeping' not found
[07:20] <AbhiJit> where is stlsaint?
[10:34] <blemish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/671178
[10:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671178 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[CA0106 - CA0106] ALSA test tone not correctly played back (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[10:34] <blemish> This bug is driving me insane :-(
[11:11] <xteejx> bug 210876 - although basilisk2 shows on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/basilisk2 that it is in maverick and natty... help1?
[11:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 210876 in basilisk2 (Ubuntu) "BasiliskII has no networking because NetDriver 'sheet_net.c' doesn't compile on Gutsy/kernel 2.6.22 (affects: 2) (heat: 20)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210876
[11:11] <xteejx> !?
[11:20] <njin> hello to all, when apport retrace mark a bug as a duplicate of a private report Why it ask to look at the other report ? bug 675875
[11:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675875 in ubuntu "apport retracing service tells me to view a private bug report (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675875
[11:20] <seb128> njin, it just indicates it's a duplicate
[11:22] <njin> seb128: yes, but have no sense to tell the reporter to look into a private report
[11:22] <xteejx> njin: It's an automated messgae
[11:23] <seb128> njin, the retracer doesn't know you don't have access to the other bug
[11:24] <xteejx> Members of Bug Control do, so you can just come in here if it hasn't been checked for private info and we can change it
[11:25] <njin> xteejx: my opinion is that this is a bug, when a report is private and the reporter cannot see it, apport retrace have to look at thisù
[11:25] <xteejx> njin: Then you need to file a bug against Launchpad itself, not Ubuntu
[11:26] <seb128> njin, it's a wishlist to update the comment yes
[11:26] <njin> yes,
[11:26] <seb128> njin, it's normal that you don't have access, it would be a security issue if filing a duplicate was enough to gain access to a private bug
[11:27] <seb128> but to be honest it seems non trivial work for little benefit
[11:27] <njin> yes i know  that, but isn't right to send that message
[11:27] <seb128> it's not likely to change any time
[11:28] <njin> ok, then assign to launchpad and ask for wishlist
[11:28] <xteejx> you reported a bug against Ubuntu, we can't change that. You need to report a bug against Launchpad itself
[11:28] <seb128> njin, it's not a launchpad bug
[11:29] <xteejx> seb128: Ignore me :)
[11:29] <njin> ok, i close the report repling to the reporter
[11:29] <seb128> the retracer is a service running out of launchpad
[11:29] <seb128> you can reassign to apport if you want
[11:29] <seb128> the retracing code is in the apport source
[11:30] <njin> uhm, apport is a package
[11:31] <seb128> yes
[11:31] <njin> ok, i mark as invalid repling that the other report contain private date visible only to developers
[11:31] <xteejx> njin: Yes, and the source for the retracer is in that source
[11:32] <xteejx> bug 643486 checked and changed to Public
[11:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 643486 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu) "Nautilus crashed when trying to share a large folder (92GB) (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643486
[11:32] <blemish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/671178
[11:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 671178 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[CA0106 - CA0106] ALSA test tone not correctly played back (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New]
[11:32] <njin> already solved ?
[15:35] <hggdh> JFo: is it possible to keep bug 675613 open for a while?
[15:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675613 in linux (Ubuntu) "dpkg hangs during sync under 2.6.32-25-server kernel (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675613
[15:35] <JFo> hi hggdh let me take a wquick look
[15:35] <JFo> err quick rather
[15:35] <hggdh> any type of look is good ;-)
[15:36] <JFo> :-)
[15:36] <JFo> sure, we can leave that one for a bit
[15:36] <JFo> even though he isn't on Ubuntu, I think the issue could be valid
[15:36] <JFo> or rather it is possible for us to see it as well
[15:37] <JFo> plus, his data will be valuable
[15:44] <hggdh> JFo: yes, this is what I thought. But... since I was throwing a bug on your lap, I wanted your view on it
[15:45] <JFo> ah, no problem. Thanks for the head's up
[15:45] <JFo> :)
[15:45] <hggdh> you are absolutely welcome :-)
[16:09] <njin> hello, can someone verify if pressing esc during boot call grub setting screen? for me don't work and i'm sure i've got three kernel installed
[16:11] <JFo> should be a shift key iirc
[16:11] <JFo> been a while since I did that though
[16:12] <JFo> actually quite some time now that I think about it
[16:30] <njin> I've tested on two pc and there's no way to escape from boot
[16:32] <shadeslayer> afaik its via shift
[16:40] <jcastro> pedro_: around?
[16:41] <sense> persia: According to <https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+question/119712> pressing the confirm button of a merge request over and over again is the only way to complete it.
[17:01] <njin> ok it is via shift, then we have to update this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Freeze%20during%20boot%20or%20shutdown%20screen
[17:07] <charlie-tca> njin: you are right. I believe karmic used esc, but am not sure of that. Lucid used right-shift, and maverick uses shift
[17:07] <charlie-tca> and it is called "hold the key, instead of just hitting it"
[17:08] <njin> charlie-tca: can I modify ?
[17:09] <njin> that page
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Yes, but be specific for the releases. right-shift applies to 10.04, 10.10, 11.04 at this time
[17:09] <njin> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Thank you for catching that.
[17:14] <njin> charlie-tca: then instead of usplash is plymouth from lucid >
[17:14] <yofel> shift applies to karmic 9.10 too, since that's the release we started using grub2
[17:14] <yofel> good you found that though :)
[17:23] <pedro_> hello jcastro! sorry was having lunch
[17:27] <seb128> pedro_, hey pedro_
[17:27] <seb128> pedro_, how are you?
[17:27] <seb128> pedro_, did you get over your cold?
[17:30] <njin> charlie-tca:done
[17:30] <njin> yofel:thanks
[17:35] <pedro_> hello seb128! I'm good, thanks!. yeah i got over that ubuflu, long time without catching one...
[17:35] <pedro_> seb128, how are you doing? enjoying the cold weather? :-P
[17:36] <seb128> pedro_, yeah, cold is nice ;-) I'm fine thanks
[17:36] <njin> pedro_: hello, here i'm singing "it's raining again"
[17:37] <pedro_> njin, hello! hehe, here he said that 'it's raining roasted ducks'
[17:37] <njin> klol
[19:08] <jcastro> pedro_: I need two things
[19:08] <jcastro> 1) a banshee bug day
[19:08] <jcastro> and 2) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=product:banshee%20whiteboard:ubuntu
[19:09] <jcastro> there's no way that there are only 4 feature parity bugs
[19:09] <ScottK> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/+bug/675347 somehow got a patch tag added by your script.  I removed it, but thought you'd want to know about a false positive.
[19:09] <jcastro> so I was thinking of putting out a mail asking for people to file feature parity bugs
[19:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675347 in gcc-4.5 (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "volatile int causes inline assembly build failure (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Confirmed]
[19:09] <jcastro> pedro_: so my question is, how would we do that?
[19:09] <jcastro> should we ask people to file them in lp, go through them all and then send the ones we care about upstream or ... ?
[19:10]  * ScottK would not recommend asking users to bombard upstream directly.
[19:11] <jcastro> ScottK: well, they're keen on getting these bugs, but right, not without a pedro-filter
[19:12] <bdmurray> ScottK: it got tagged because it has an attachment that is flagged as a patch
[19:12] <ScottK> OK.
[19:12] <ScottK> Thanks.  I'll fix that too then.
[19:16] <pedro_> jcastro, for the first  , i can organize one for next week
[19:17] <jcastro> pedro_: that would be brilliant
[19:17] <pedro_> jcastro, asking people to file them on lp sounds fine to me, we can then filter those
[19:17] <jcastro> pedro_: lmk when and I will tell upstream
[19:17] <jcastro> pedro_: ok is this something we can do as part of bug  day you think?
[19:17] <pedro_> jcastro, totally :-)
[19:17] <hggdh> +1
[19:19] <jcastro> pedro_: ok so like, what's the procedure then?
[19:19] <pedro_> jcastro, ok i've scheduled the bug day
[19:19] <jcastro> link me up!
[19:19] <jcastro> should we have a tag or something for feature-parity bugs?
[19:20] <pedro_> lets work on the page next week and with the same announcement we say ' hey btw we need parity bugs please go ahead and file those!'
[19:20] <pedro_> jcastro, we could use that one 'feature-parity'
[19:30] <vish> pedro_: hi, you admin the BC list right? is there any way you add mail filters to  a team's mailing list?
[19:31] <vish> or hggdh too..
[19:31] <pedro_> vish, hello, no idea if those can be added
[19:31] <vish> :(
[19:32] <pedro_> the admin interface is trough LP and  i haven't seeing those options
[19:32] <micahg> vish: why would we do that?
[19:32] <vish> micahg: nah not for the BC team, but i'm trying to find out how to do that  for another new team..
[19:32] <vish> pedro_: k, thx..
[19:33] <pedro_> no problem
[19:33] <njin> I'm searching an idea for installing hardy on spark bug 675343
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 675343 in ubuntu "8.04 Hardy and 9.04 Jaunty installation fails on SPARC (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/675343
[19:34]  * micahg saw that bug and ran
[19:34] <njin> *ran away ?
[19:35] <micahg> njin: sparc hasn't worked well for a while
[19:35] <micahg> from what I've heard
[19:36] <njin> i think from hardy
[19:39] <micahg> njin: you might want to make sure the user has a SPARC ISO: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/8.04/release/
[19:39] <micahg> the ports archive certainly has hardy still
[19:39] <njin> micahg: I ask for
[19:40] <njin> micahg thaks
[19:40] <njin> *thanks
[19:40] <micahg> njin: you also might want to edit 9.04 out of the title and note it's EOL
[19:40] <njin> micahg:ok, yes
[19:45] <vish> pedro_: another question, how do you guys 'allow' mails to the list? is it possible to delete mails received mails to the list? from the list archive?
[19:46] <pedro_> vish, by going to lp.net/~team/+mailinglist-moderate
[19:47] <pedro_> vish, i don't know if there's another way to administrate the emails on the queue
[19:47] <pedro_> but that's the page lp sends you when an email is waiting on the queue
[19:47] <vish> pedro_: cool, so you can allow from that link, can you also delete a mail?
[19:47] <pedro_> and yes you can delete, approve, set on hold, etc
[19:48] <vish> hmm..
[19:48] <vish> pedro_: thanks.. :)
[19:48] <pedro_> vish, you're welcome
[19:50] <jcastro> pedro_: ok so where's the wiki page for the bugday? Mind if I start announcing it, etc.?
[19:50] <pedro_> jcastro, i guess is too soon to announce it
[19:50] <jcastro> is it written down yet?
[19:50] <pedro_> jcastro, i cannot create the page for the bug day because it will make the bugday tool to not work
[19:50] <jcastro> oh I see
[19:51] <jcastro> so what day can I tell upstream?
[19:51] <pedro_> jcastro, Friday 19th
[19:51] <jcastro> ok
[19:51] <pedro_> jcastro, i'll create the page that day too
[19:52] <pedro_> it should be something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101125
[19:52]  * micahg wonders what we're having a bugday for
[19:55] <pedro_> micahg, this thursday for GPM and next one for Banshee
[19:55] <micahg> pedro_: very cool, I might want to schedule a bug day if I ever get the Mozilla bug docs rewritten :)
[19:56] <pedro_> ;-)
[19:56] <charlie-tca> 25th is an American Holiday - Thanksgiving
[19:58] <charlie-tca> micahg: why not a couple? one for firefox, one for thunderbird?
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: actually, I was going to do a whole month ;)
[19:59] <micahg> probably Feb, we have 3 FF sources + thunderbird
[20:00] <micahg> about 3800 bugs :0
[20:00] <jcastro> pedro_: ok they are all set
[20:02] <charlie-tca> micahg: Great idea.
[20:02] <pedro_> jcastro, great! thank you
[20:07] <micahg> pedro_: do you have any objection to a bug week?
[20:07] <micahg> i.e. set up the page on a Tuesday and let it go to the following tuesday?
[20:08] <pedro_> micahg, nope, we just need clear instructions on how to use the bugday tool for such cases if there's a bug day also organized on thursday of that week
[20:09] <pedro_> micahg, planning one for firefox?
[20:09] <micahg> pedro_: well, like I said above, planning a whole month of bugweeks actually for the 3 firefox sources and thunderbird
[20:09] <pedro_> cool
[20:11] <micahg> pedro_: 2 of the sources will be EOL at the end of April, so I'd like to also as part of this move the bugs or add a task to teh firefox source package so we can make sure we don't lose them and also try to get as many issues upstreamed as we can
[20:12] <pedro_> micahg, great, just make sure to add that to the planning page so we can help you with the organization
[20:12] <micahg> pedro_: ok, will do that, thanks
[20:12] <pedro_> gotta run now, see you guys later
[21:51] <TLF> hello
[21:51] <TLF> what can I do to confirm a bug?
[21:51] <TLF> thanks
[22:06] <CaioAlonso> TLF, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Confirming
[22:18] <TLF> CaioAlonso: thank you very much
[22:19] <CaioAlonso> TLF, you're welcome :)


 How to do that w/ Ubuntu?
[06:20] <temp-name0> I am trying to use a nvidia quadro w/ 2 monitors and the 2nd monitor is not being detected via edid. It is showing the wrong resolution.
[06:21] <temp-name0> I think if I disable the HorizSync & VertRefresh options in xorg.conf, it will allow me to properly set the resolution...
[19:27] <my> hay
[20:39] <yorwos-pc> hi every1 , im haveing a small issue
[20:40] <holstein> shoot
[20:40] <yorwos-pc> cant find a way to setup my profire 610 firewire card with ardour , the card shows allright in ffado-mixer
[20:40] <holstein> ardour doesnt do that
[20:40] <holstein> you use JACK
[20:40] <holstein> you set the operating system up to use it, then the apps use the card trhough JACK
[20:40] <yorwos-pc> i tried qjackctl
[20:41] <holstein> yorwos-pc: in what capacity? you set the driver to "firewire" ? and pressed start? are you in the audio group and the video group?
[20:41] <yorwos-pc> setup-> driver:firewire ,then
[20:41] <yorwos-pc> interface 4options i chose hw0: ?
[20:42] <holstein> yorwos-pc: you have tried with *all* devices in that list?
[20:42] <yorwos-pc> the other 3 ptions are plughw0 , dev/audio , dev/dsp
[20:42] <holstein> yorwos-pc: i try *all* options.. trusting no labels
[20:43] <yorwos-pc> ill try and see ty
[20:43] <holstein> it literally will go like this.. click to select, click to start.. start or fail.. click the next if needed.. repear
[20:43] <holstein> its not that time consuming
[20:44] <yorwos-pc> aw fixed ty :) it was plughw0 !!!
[20:45] <holstein> yorwos-pc: cheers!
[20:45] <holstein> yorwos-pc: check #opensourcemusicians if you get a chance..
[20:45] <yorwos-pc> i sure will :)
[20:45] <yorwos-pc> thanx
[23:38] <studio-user992> hola


[04:33] <guest_> Hey anyone awake here?
[04:35] <guest_> #ubuntu isnt helping and i just need to know the command to remove Light gdm please.  It keeps crashing and wont let me login to my normal account
[04:44] <vish> guest_: light dm? are you on Oneiric? probably try in #ubuntu+1
[04:44] <guest_> vish, im using 11.04
[04:44] <vish> guest_: then how are you using lightDM?
[04:44] <guest_> installed the ppa
[04:44] <vish> !
[04:44] <guest_> :/ i know
[04:44] <guest_> lol
[04:44] <vish> ;p
[04:45] <guest_> it just refuses to login into my main name
[04:45] <guest_> i can only use a guest account
[04:45] <guest_> so idk how to remove it without sudo :/ or atleast make gdm main again
[04:45] <vish> guest_: try ppa purge, and hopefully it should reinstall the gdm
[04:46] <vish> !ppapurge
[04:46] <ubot4> Factoid 'ppapurge' not found
[04:46] <vish> hmm..
[04:46] <vish> !ppa-purge
[04:46] <ubot4> To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:<repository-name>/<subdirectory> » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[04:47] <guest_> can i do this all from a guest account?
[04:48] <vish> guest_: i dont think so..  but if you know your admin password maybe.
[04:48] <guest_> i do, but it wont use sudo
[04:49] <guest_> hmm, plus i wouldnt even know where the subdirectory would be for lightdm anyway
[04:49] <guest_> lol
[04:49] <guest_> i guess im screwed...
[04:49] <vish> guest_: lesson of the day, "dont screw with core components" ;p
[04:50] <guest_> vish, it was running so well too! (until the most recent update)
[04:52] <guest_> vish, is there a way to access the files under that account? i just want to save my music
[04:52] <vish> guest_: try from LiveCD or LiveUSB..
[04:53] <guest_> vish, can it be a disk from 10.10?
[04:54] <vish> guest_: yup, should work.. (but we are really off-topic on this channel..)
[04:55] <guest_> vish, yes.  im sorry no one in #ubuntu was helping.  (btw this is chewyTree if you are wondering)  im part of the bug squad :D.  thanks for the help
[04:55] <vish> np..
[06:47] <coalwater> can someone help me with 1 thing
[06:48] <coalwater> hggdh, said u don't bite :D lol
[06:48] <coalwater> i need some help with a bug
[06:51] <vish> !ask > coalwater
[06:51] <ubot4> coalwater, please see my private message
[06:51] <coalwater> yea yea, i know i just had to make sure someone's around
[06:51] <vish> bye.. ;p
[06:52] <coalwater> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/787600 i just want to make sure the bug watch i added is correct.. is it ?
[06:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 787600 in nautilus (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Clicking the active tab in the unactive pane doesn't switch panes (nautilus) (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Unknown,Unknown]
[06:53] <vish> coalwater: nope.. you should select "Also affects project" not distro..
[06:54] <coalwater> i felt so, ok i'll fix it
[06:54] <coalwater> how do i delete it :D
[06:55] <vish> coalwater: you can't delete the debian task, after you open the Gnome project task, just close debian task as invalid (with a comment)..
[06:57] <coalwater> hm can't find gnome-project
[06:57] <coalwater> gnome project or w/e
[06:58] <vish> coalwater: click the "also affects project" and select/search "Nautilus"
[06:59] <vish> (you have forwarded the bug to Gnome bugzilla)
[07:00] <coalwater> ok, so i just put nautilus, without a link to the other bug ?
[07:02] <vish> coalwater: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches
[07:02] <coalwater> yea, that's the link that's already confusing me lol
[07:02] <vish> coalwater: specifically » https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches#Watching_Another_Project
[07:03] <vish> coalwater: just add the upstream link in the options you get after you choose Nautilus
[07:03] <coalwater> ok, i didn't know it's 2 different pages, was expecting the url thing to be in the same page
[07:03] <coalwater> now invalid to the deb one ?
[07:04] <vish> coalwater: yup..
[07:04] <coalwater> how, doesn't let me change it
[07:04] <vish> coalwater: hmm, wait it's not a simple change, I'll do that for you..
[07:05] <coalwater> ty
[07:05] <coalwater> when ur done could u do little explaining :D
[07:07] <vish> coalwater: I first had to remove the bugwatch for the debian task and then had to close it.. (I wasn't sure you had those options available to you..)
[07:09] <vish> coalwater: also, could you comment the Launchpad bug number/link in the upstream bug?  it would be easy if easy for others to check in both places
[07:09] <coalwater> ok
[07:10] <coalwater> on the add bug url ? or just a comment
[07:11] <vish> coalwater: just comment something like "Bug first reported in Launchpad : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/787600 "
[07:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 787600 in nautilus (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Clicking the active tab in the inactive pane doesn't switch panes (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[07:11] <coalwater> ok thanks
[07:12] <vish> coalwater: btw, what version# of Ubuntu and Nautilus are you facing this?
[07:12] <vish> i'm not noticing the problem in Maverick..
[07:12] <coalwater> natty
[07:13] <vish> coalwater: ok, so thats another you can add in the comment as well..
[07:13] <coalwater> on which bug
[07:13] <vish> coalwater: upstream is more necessary
[07:15] <coalwater> so i mention my os version or mention that it doesn't apply on urs
[07:17] <vish> coalwater: your(broken) version is important when reporting the bug
[07:18] <coalwater> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654723#c2 good enough ?
[07:18] <ubot4> Gnome bug 654723 in Tabs "Clicking the active tab in the unactive pane doesn't switch panes" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[07:22] <vish> coalwater: yup, looks good..
[07:22] <coalwater> ok thanks :D
[07:23] <coalwater> maybe i should apply for getting a bugsquad mentor or something lol
[07:26] <coalwater> vish, https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship-group-alpha what's this
[07:28] <coalwater> ur listed as owner
[07:28] <vish> coalwater: yup, thats for bugsquad mentoring
[07:29] <coalwater> what's the difference between it and this https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship
[07:30] <vish> coalwater: nothing, the alpha one is the new group, you apply to bugsquad mentorship and we add you to the alpha one..
[07:31] <coalwater> so do i need to apply on the wiki page first
[07:32] <vish> coalwater: no, just read the wiki page, "How To Request a Mentor"
[07:35] <coalwater> vish, is there a place that lists the packages that i might be interested in, just to have a look at what's available
[07:36] <vish> coalwater: good Q..
[07:36]  * vish looks..
[07:43] <coalwater> brb
[07:46] <vish> coalwater: couldnt find it.. but not necessary if you dont have anything specific..
[08:12] <coalwater> vish, so i need to update my wiki and say that i don't have something specific i'm interested in ?
[16:40] <njin> hello, please reproduce  and set status medium to bug  810651 . Thanks Fabio
[16:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 810651 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "volume is not restored at the right level when unmuted if it is set upper 100% (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810651
[18:57] <alex_mayorga> Hi! Any way to have bug 808551 processed?
[18:57] <ubot4> alex_mayorga: Bug 808551 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/808551 is private
[18:58] <alex_mayorga> !retrace
[18:58] <ubot4> Factoid 'retrace' not found
[19:08] <bil21al> i want to report the home folder bug what should i run in terminal ??? and one more question
[19:23] <abhinav-> bil21al: just curious, what do you mean by bug in home ?
[19:25] <bil21al> i have bug in home folder when ever i open my home folder the mose  begins to rotate seems like it is loding some thing ..
[19:26] <bil21al> the mouse option is begins to rotate like somthing is loading
[19:27] <abhinav-> is that happening only with your home directory or all the directories ?
[19:27] <bil21al> with home only
[19:28] <abhinav-> for example if you run "nautilus /etc/" in terminal, then ?
[19:29] <bil21al> if i open it from terminal than its right but when i open it from home folder then it happens
[19:30] <bil21al> like it happens when i open it from launcher icon
[19:30] <coalwater> so nautilus ~/ is ok right?
[19:30] <bil21al> ok
[19:32] <abhinav-> and the mouse pointer does not change to normal at all ? like after sometime ?
[19:32] <bil21al> yes yes,,
[19:32] <bil21al> its about for 30 sec or more
[19:33] <abhinav-> might be the case you are running out of space in your /home partition (assuming you have a separate /home) ?
[19:34] <coalwater> maybe he can paste his df
[19:35] <bil21al> no i have to much space in my home folder
[19:36] <bil21al> its in 11.10
[19:36] <coalwater> u have it installed or is it a live cd
[19:38] <bil21al> no there is no cd
[19:38] <hggdh> what is the size of the home folder? Run, on a terminal, 'du -sh', and report the output
[19:39] <bil21al> hggdh cannot read directory
[19:39] <hggdh> actually, ' du -sh ~'
[19:40] <bil21al> ok i again check it
[19:40] <hggdh> bil21al: pleas post on pastebin the command and complete output -- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com -- and then post the link here
[19:41] <coalwater> du won't really tell how much free space , just how much occupied space
[19:41] <hggdh> indeed. One step at a time ;-)
[19:41] <coalwater> ok :D
[19:42] <coalwater> btw, i applied for bug mentorship, i liked the UDW session :P
[19:43] <hggdh> coalwater: :-)
[19:44] <bil21al> hggh see this out put
[19:44] <bil21al> du-sh~: command not found
[19:44] <bil21al> bil21al@bil21al-ThinkPad-T60:/$ du -sh~
[19:44] <bil21al> du: invalid option -- '~'
[19:44] <bil21al> Try `du --help' for more information.
[19:44] <hggdh> coalwater: but, as I stated there, you do not really need the mentorship, easier to hang on this channel & ask questions when you are in doubt
[19:44] <hggdh> bil21al: try: "cd; du -sh"
[19:44] <coalwater> i dont know i got little confused adding a bug watch today
[19:45] <hggdh> bil21al: er. there has to be a space between -sh and ~
[19:45] <coalwater> u need to put space
[19:45] <bil21al> 1.4gb
[19:45] <coalwater> yea
[19:45] <yofel> launchpad isn't allways intuitive. So feel free to ask questions abou the UI ;)
[19:45] <bil21al> out put is 1.4GB
[19:45] <yofel> #launchpad can help you too if something seems broken
[19:45] <hggdh> not really big... mine, for example, is ~ 25G
[19:46] <coalwater> yea, im around the same too
[19:46] <coalwater> if launchpad doesn't give me my karma in the next couple of days im gonna stop doing launchpad work :D
[19:46] <bil21al> but here in pakistan hard disk are so costly so that way but it not hapen in 11.04
[19:47] <bil21al> yofel my karma is not increasing
[19:47] <yofel> hey, we don't work for karma! (well, we do sometimes :P) and it takes a day or two sometimes until the karma gets updated
[19:47] <coalwater> mine is frozen since like 5 days :(
[19:47] <brendand> no, it's broken
[19:48] <brendand> it's not been updated since it got skipped when they made lp read-only when karma was supposed to be updated
[19:48] <yofel> ah, I've got more karma than I need so didn't notice ^^
[19:48] <hggdh> bil21al: so. You open Nautilus against your home dir, and you get the rotating pointer. Does it stop rotating?
[19:48] <coalwater> but for me it stopped just when i really started to work hard lol
[19:48] <yofel> coalwater: added yourself to 5-a-day yet? That's a nicer statistic and karma IMO
[19:49] <yofel> s/and/than/
[19:49]  * hggdh just found karma's low...
[19:49] <hggdh> not that I really care ;-)
[19:49] <bil21al> yes it stops rotation after 30, to 40 sec  hggdh
[19:49] <coalwater> yofel, i don't know, i think i could start with 1 a day lol
[19:49] <yofel> coalwater: you'll show up here then ;) http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/five-a-day/
[19:51] <penguin42> don't think I actually manage to do 5 a day that often
[19:51] <yofel> vish is still the overlord taking first and second place
[19:51] <coalwater> 5 a day means triage 5 bugs a day?
[19:51] <yofel> coalwater: roughly yes, it counts the mails that are sent out from your work (filing bugs doesn't count)
[19:53] <bil21al> has any body having this problem ,https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/811612
[19:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811612 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "modem-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in mm_serial_port_close() (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[19:53] <coalwater> i'll need someone to hold my hand and show me how to do that step by step
[19:54] <yofel> coalwater: IIRC you only need a public mail address on launchpad and need to join the team
[19:54] <yofel> see the link at the top of the statistics page
[19:56] <coalwater> there, im in the 5 a day thing lol, now i need to actually find 5 too easy ones that even i could do
[19:58] <hggdh> bil21al: it does not really seem like a bug... run 'ls -R ~ | wc -l', please, and report the number it will print at the end
[20:01] <bil21al> i run ls -R than to much detail came but wc -l dosent do any thing
[20:02] <coalwater> hggdh, what's wc?
[20:02] <coalwater> counts lines huh
[20:02] <coalwater> nice
[20:02] <hggdh> coalwater: wc counts the lines, words, and chars (actually, bytes) in a file
[20:03] <bil21al> now what i do?? hggdh
[20:03] <hggdh> so 'wc -l' will count the number of lines in  a file (mind you, a line ends with a LF)
[20:03] <coalwater> i think he didn't use the pipe
[20:04] <hggdh> bil21al: 'ls -R ~ | wc -l'
[20:04] <hggdh> I agree
[20:04] <hggdh> bil21al: mind the spaces and symbols in the above command
[20:05] <coalwater> hggdh,  i always needed something that does wc, i usually try to silly hacks using grep lol
[20:06] <coalwater> so brendand , any idea when launchpad is getting it's full functionality back ?
[20:06] <hggdh> heh. The beauty of Linux (UNIX, in general) is that there is usually a hack already written to do so something. The bane of Linux is there are a *LOT* of them...
[20:06] <hggdh> coalwater: probably very soon. The LP folks really care about it
[20:07] <coalwater> i've noticed there's quite some bugs reports about changing karma system and karma listing page and such, is this part of the reason  ?
[20:08] <bil21al> hggdh when i run wc -l than no out put is comming cursor is blinking but no out put
[20:08] <coalwater> bil21al,  u need to write the whole thing on the same line
[20:08] <yofel> bil21al: did you use the pipe?
[20:08] <hggdh> bil21al: please post *exact* command you issued
[20:08] <bil21al> no

[20:08] <bil21al> ok sorry i try again
[20:09] <coalwater> hggdh, u think a high files count might cause this ?
[20:09] <coalwater> wouldn't it just scan 1 level ?
[20:09] <coalwater> i mean it ( nautilus )
[20:10] <bil21al> hggdh  539
[20:10] <bil21al> out put is 539
[20:12] <hggdh> coalwater: it could -- nautilus will scan the dirs
[20:12] <hggdh> bil21al: and what was the command you ran?
[20:12] <coalwater> mine is 13300 :D lol
[20:13] <hggdh> coalwater: the '-R' on 'ls' means it will recurse on all subdirectories
[20:13] <coalwater> yea :P
[20:13] <bil21al> i run ls -R ~ |  wc -l
[20:13] <coalwater> it kind annoys me that some use -r and some -R
[20:14] <coalwater> mind he's running the alpha2 probably
[20:14] <hggdh> yes, there is a lack of coherence, but everybody is already using the options as they are for the last 40 years, difficult to change
[20:14] <bil21al> yes i m using 11.10
[20:15] <hggdh> bil21al: all your home is local? Or would you have some remote filesystems loaded also?
[20:17] <bil21al> no no i hav not loaded any filesystem
[20:19] <hggdh> well, this is a bit weird, then.
[20:20] <bil21al> hmm
[20:20] <bil21al> what i do
[20:20] <bil21al> now
[20:20] <bil21al> ?
[20:20] <bil21al> report a bug or not
[20:21] <bil21al> ?
[20:24] <hggdh> bil21al: you *could* report a bug. But, right now, I would rather have you opening a question on askubuntu.com, or ubuntuforum.com.
[20:24] <hggdh> this will allow for more people to look at it and try to zero in.
[20:25] <bil21al> ok
[20:45]  * brendand missed what the issue was
[20:48] <coalwater> loading icon for the mouse in nautilus when started from launcher
[20:48] <coalwater> stays for long
[20:50] <brendand> loading your $HOME?
[20:50] <brendand> stays long after the files have been loaded or do the files still not appear?
[20:51] <coalwater> i think they do appear, but the mouse stays on loading icon
[20:51] <coalwater> for about half a min or so
[20:51] <coalwater> home dir isn't stuffed, and running the 11.10 alpha
[20:51] <brendand> 11.10?
[20:52] <brendand> any updates applied?
[20:53] <coalwater> i dont know, he's gone now, he was told to ask in askubuntu or ubuntuforums
[20:54] <brendand> oh, it was bil21al had the problem?
[20:54] <brendand> i see
[22:26] <penguin42> anyone know about backporting of kernel fixes for LTS - see bug 682159
[22:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 682159 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot install Ubuntu-Server 10.04.1 32 bit using a NEC DVD_RW ND-35xx PATA DVD drive (affects: 2) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682159
[22:28] <penguin42> it's a nasty failure, but there again it's probably going to be nasty to find what fixed it
[22:30] <penguin42> and can I suggest it's set to 'High' 'Has a sever impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users'
[22:39] <penguin42> e
[22:55] <hggdh> penguin42: it can be backported, if we are able to zero in the fix (and, of course, there are no nasty dependencies)
[22:56] <hggdh> or you could try the Natty backported kernel for Lucid
[22:56] <penguin42> hggdh: The reporter is obviously up for trying new versions, lets see what his answer to my question about the natty and earlier oo alpha was
[22:57] <penguin42> hggdh: Can you set the importance?
[23:00] <hggdh> penguin42: yes -- thought you already were in -control...
[23:01] <penguin42> hggdh: It's a nasty bug in the sense that who knows which patch fixed it and it's going to take some rather specific hardware to test
[23:03] <hggdh> penguin42: done. Please do us a favour, and apply for -control ;-)
[23:03] <penguin42> well if you put it that way....
[23:03] <hggdh> LOL
[23:04] <hggdh> I will be glad to give you a +1 :-)
[23:08] <hggdh> penguin42: it would be nice to have them collect the debian-installer log (when it fails, scroll down on the D-I menu, select to start the HTTP server, and then do a wget on the syslog)
[23:12] <penguin42> isn't it easier to scp it off?
[23:15] <hggdh> if you have ssh installed...
[23:15] <hggdh> which probably is not at this point in time
[23:16] <penguin42> ah I thought the client side was there by default; hohum
[23:17] <hggdh> oh, there *is* a d-i syslog in there
[23:18] <hggdh> and there are some I/O errors reported, I guess at the point things went south
[23:21] <hggdh> penguin42: another thing that could, perhaps, help: add, in the linux command line, 'DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer'. This will add some more d-i messages to the log
[23:21] <hggdh> (I mean linux boot command line)
[23:21] <penguin42> hggdh: That was from one of the reporters, not the other
[23:22] <penguin42> hggdh: I did have one suspicion though that it could just be duff disc burns and given a few million users we just hitting the coincidence on drive models
[23:25] <hggdh> it could, but one of the posters cooment on using a series of dvds and cds
[23:29] <yofel> anyone an idea what would cause nouveau.ko to end up in initrd? No idea what's the right package to reassign bug 811701 to
[23:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 811701 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "Nvidia driver unfunctional in oneiric since 2011-07-17 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811701
[23:29] <penguin42> something trying to make a prettier splash?
[23:30] <yofel> well, I can live without the splash as long as I get a usable graphics driver
[23:37] <hggdh> yofel: I had the same -- nouveau was loaded, and refused to go away even when blacklisted; when I booted in recovery, nVidia would work. Then I installed 3.0.0-5, and it went away
[23:38] <hggdh> and I do not have splash at all...
[23:38] <yofel> heh, I had this on 3.0.0-5 too though :/
[23:38] <hggdh> ugh!


[00:33] <cjwatson> OK, MP raised for the publishinghistory improvement above
[00:41] <cjwatson> And I've installed a workaround in copy-report to try to avoid those null copies
[00:53] <wgrant> cjwatson: I'm pretty sure there's an existing bug for that
[00:54] <wgrant> cjwatson: Also, that's buggy
[00:54] <wgrant> cjwatson: Look at the markup in the test you added :)
[00:55] <cjwatson> I looked for an existing bug and couldn't find one
[00:55] <wgrant> Maybe I'm thinking of sponsor
[00:55] <wgrant> So
[00:56] <cjwatson> Maybe it's too late at night, but what's wrong with the markup?
[00:56] <wgrant> I'd do <tal:message condition="context/creator">by <span tal:replace="structure context/creator/fmt:link" /></tal:message> or so
[00:56] <wgrant> It's escaped
[00:56] <cjwatson> ... oh, that escaping isn't introduced by extract_text is it?
[00:56] <cjwatson> I assumed it was doctest insanity
[00:56] <wgrant> No
[00:56] <wgrant> TAL is stupid
[00:56] <wgrant> You declare in the template whether a string is safe
[00:57] <wgrant> Rather than declaring in the string that the string is safe
[00:57] <cjwatson> Something like yours is what I started with and then I tried to imitate the surroundings
[00:57] <cjwatson> I'll put it back
[00:58] <wgrant> Don't imitate surroundings in LP
[00:58] <wgrant> They're usually wrong.
[00:58] <wgrant> Ah, yeah, I see your original diff
[00:58] <wgrant> The other places do it because there's no sensible fmt:link
[00:58] <wgrant> Or they ignore that there is one
[00:59] <wgrant> I'm not quite sure what that template has against IArchive's fmt:link.
[01:01] <cjwatson> Ah, bug 851047
[01:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851047 in launchpad "The PPA page and distro publishing details pages don't correctly show where a package was copied from" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851047
[01:01] <cjwatson> Should I just try to fix this all at once?
[01:02] <cjwatson> Micah's single case was easyish ...
[01:02] <wgrant> cjwatson: Might as well. Even better if you show sponsor too, although I can't see a bug.
[01:02] <wgrant> Both should be pretty trivial
[01:02] <wgrant> The hardest bit is identifying the tests
[01:02] <wgrant> and ec2 will do that easily :)
[01:02] <wgrant> If slowly...
[01:03] <cjwatson> I managed to blow the monthly limit on the cloud computing policy last month
[01:03] <cjwatson> Roll on LP tests in Canonistack
[01:04] <wgrant> Hm, you should talk to someone about that. We're advised to file it under misc, since it's essential and anyone who's doing anything violates it.
[01:04] <wgrant> Now
[01:04] <wgrant> I'm just thinking
[01:04] <wgrant> +publishinghistory doesn't show any people at the moment, does it?
[01:04] <wgrant> So adding even one is probably going to make it time out.
[01:05] <wgrant> Fortunately, preloading this is roughly two lines if you can identify the views that render lots of these.
[01:06] <cjwatson> BinaryPublishingRecordView (though at least this part of the change is a no-op there) and SourcePublishingRecordView
[01:06] <wgrant> Yeah, those are the only two I can think of
[01:06] <cjwatson> That's from grep for that template
[01:06] <wgrant> The foreign keys you care about are all in the easy directly, fortunately.
[01:06] <wgrant> s/directly/direction/
[01:06] <wgrant> You don't have to deal with cachedproperties. Just load the objects into the global storm cache.
[01:07] <cjwatson> Just in initialize?
[01:08] <wgrant> Right. You'll probably want to use lp.services.bulk.load_related to grab the ancestor, and then getPrecachedPersonsFromIds or whatever it is to grab the creator and sponsor.
[01:10] <cjwatson> OK.  Tomorrow I think.
[01:10] <cjwatson> Thanks.
[01:12] <wgrant> Yeah.
[01:12] <wgrant> If you need any help, I'm happy to as always.
[01:36] <slangasek> wgrant: is this why +publishinghistory is now timing out for me? :)
[01:36] <wgrant> slangasek: No. Do you have an OOPS ID?
[01:36] <wgrant> It's unbatched, so packages with insane numbers of uploads will always time out.
[01:36] <wgrant> And have always timed out.
[01:36] <slangasek>  OOPS-9f81eb12c92b5d31bf2cdff106cade84)
[01:36] <ubot2> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=9f81eb12c92b5d31bf2cdff106cade84
[01:37] <slangasek> oh, really?
[01:37] <slangasek> I've never seen timeouts before
[01:37] <wgrant> It's better than it used to be, since it's not pulling down tens of megabytes of changelogs from the DB any more
[01:37] <wgrant> Wow
[01:38] <wgrant> 700ms of DB time, 5s of Python
[01:38] <wgrant> I suspect you were just fairly unlucky, but let's see...
[01:38] <wgrant> (since it loads for me)
[01:38] <cjwatson> slangasek: the above discussion between wgrant and me is of a patch that hasn't landed
[01:39] <slangasek> ok :-)
[01:39] <slangasek> I wouldn't have expected it to land so fast, but figured I should check
[01:39] <wgrant> Maybe by the end of the year we'll be deploying stuff an hour after we think of it, but not yet :)
[01:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: so I found your dist-upgrader-all directories; ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/ instead of ubuntu/dists/precise/main/dist-upgrader-all/
[01:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: are you saying that the precise-updates ones aren't being used?
[01:40] <slangasek> if so we probably have to manually copy... and put that on the pile of things to fix before we lose cocoplum shells ;)
[01:41] <cjwatson> slangasek: Uh, I fixed that recently
[01:41] <infinity> slangasek: The updates ones absolutely should be used, if that's not happening, we should fix the broken bits, not copy stuff into release...
[01:41] <slangasek> cjwatson: which part?
[01:41] <wgrant> Yeah, you're not going to convince LP to poke the release pocket
[01:41] <cjwatson> automatic copying from precise-proposed to precise-updates
[01:41] <wgrant> You'll have to fix u-m
[01:42] <slangasek> right
[01:42] <infinity> cjwatson: It's in updates.
[01:42] <cjwatson> Yeah, I didn't fix u-m, but that's what should be done.
[01:42] <cjwatson> Taking away our lp_publish access might be a good way to stop us being tempted to do that kind of thing. :)
[01:42] <wgrant> Yes :)
[01:43] <wgrant> slangasek: Does the page work for you now? I suspect you just had bad luck that time
[01:43] <wgrant> It's sitting at about 90% of the timeout for me, mostly because there's so many uploads
[01:43] <wgrant> We really should batch it, but there was resistance from you guys last time we tried ('09)
[01:43] <cjwatson> So the upgrade tool URL is in the meta-release file
[01:44] <infinity> Does mvo still hold all the keys to that?
[01:44] <cjwatson> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release and friends
[01:44] <slangasek> there was resistance from cjwatson in particular to batching, yes
[01:44] <slangasek> I defer to him :)
[01:44] <cjwatson> Probably
[01:44] <slangasek> wgrant: page is timing out for me consistently
[01:44] <cjwatson> It would take mvo about a minute to fix it
[01:44]  * infinity nods.
[01:44] <cjwatson> batching> Well, the thing I objected to at the time was difficulty of searching
[01:44] <cjwatson> But, at the time, there wasn't an API worth mentioning
[01:45] <infinity> We might want to de-SPOF mvo on the meta-release stuff sometime.
[01:45] <infinity> It's not hard to fix, but it often seems to need fixing in a hurry (not this time, obviously).
[01:45] <cjwatson> I think nowadays it'd be fine to batch that and punt to the API for searchability
[01:46] <cjwatson> So consider my historical resistance withdrawn
[01:46] <slangasek> it's possible bdmurray has access to metarelease
[01:46] <wgrant> It's a very batchable page, because the core query to determine the contents is indexed, ordered and fairly quick.
[01:46] <slangasek> but he's EOD too :)
[01:46] <slangasek> anyway, I've taken that to email
[01:47] <cjwatson> I'd certainly rather it be batched than time out.
[01:47] <cjwatson> And the more we upload stuff, the more it times out for important packages.
[01:47] <wgrant> Yup
[01:47] <cjwatson> Fairly inevitably.
[01:47] <wgrant> You ignored that argument last time :P
[01:47] <cjwatson> I didn't ignore it, I just didn't consider it dominating
[01:47] <infinity> He clearly didn't maintaing anything important before.
[01:48] <infinity> Nor maintain.
[01:48] <cjwatson> We don't need to grep through +publishinghistory for stuff nearly so often now
[01:53] <slangasek> stgraber: the edubuntu-artwork SRU references a bug not marked as fixed in quantal?
[02:03] <stgraber> slangasek: let me check, I'm 90% sure that was fixed earlier in quantal
[02:04] <stgraber> slangasek: right, was fixed in 12.06.3
[04:30] <slangasek> stgraber: ok.  I'm assuming you're ok with having this for .1, for edubuntu?
[04:30] <slangasek> (was uploaded before the deadline, anyway)
[04:34] <ScottK> slangasek: Looks to me like the compiz SRU should be failed/removed already since it FTBFS on arm*.
[04:36] <stgraber> slangasek: yep, I discussed it with jocarter before he uploaded.
[04:38] <infinity> ScottK: I'd concur with that.
[04:47] <stgraber> yeah, it should at least be marked as failed and probably removed. I can do some poking next week to figure out whether they had any critical bugs that need to be fixed for 12.04.1 or if they can wait till after the point release.
[04:57] <infinity> stgraber: Fixing the FTBFS shouldn't be rocket science for them, I'm sure.
[04:58] <infinity> stgraber: But releasing a skewed compiz is a non-starter, IMO.
[04:58] <infinity> stgraber: So, there shouldn't even be a "well, if it fixes some critical bugs..." consideration.
[05:05] <stgraber> infinity: well, I haven't looked at the diff but I remember ogra_ complaining quite a bit about the work needed to update the arm patches that sit on top of the compiz code.
[05:06] <stgraber> infinity: so yeah, skewed compiz is definitely a non-starter, I'm just wondering if we can have something fixed early enough (Monday/Tuesday) or if we can just postpone the compiz change until after we released 12.04.1
[05:08] <slangasek> there's at least one targeted compiz bug
[05:09] <slangasek> so, it shouldn't be promoted as-is, but I think we should try to get a fixed version
[05:26] <slangasek> bug #1032902 opened
[05:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032902 in compiz "compiz 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.3 FTBFS in precise-proposed on armel, armhf" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032902
[06:16] <slangasek> infinity: ^^ if you happen to have some time this weekend, this mdadm SRU would be nice to have reviewed and (hopefully) accepted; it fixes the regression found in the previous one
[06:50] <infinity> slangasek: Diff looks like it should do (or, rather, not do) what it advertises...
[15:17] <asomething> Hi all. I've got a regression in precise-proposed. The package is indicator-weather. There is a fix in the queue. I'd appreciate it if someone could accept the new package or at least nuke the old one until someone can accept the new one.
[15:17] <asomething> The regression is tracked in lp: #1032887
[15:17] <asomething> and the original bug that the SRU intended to fix is lp: #964365
[15:18] <asomething> version with regression: 11.11.28-0ubuntu1.1; fixed version: 11.11.28-0ubuntu1.2


[00:42] <Elleo> popey: would mentioning the possibility of running "sudo service powerd stop/start" in CuteSpotify's store description be frowned upon?
[02:07] <beuno> Elleo, well, users won't typically have sudo access, right?
[02:09] <Elleo> beuno: they do on current images
[02:09] <Elleo> or is that only enabled after the ubuntu sdk has talked to the phone?
[02:09] <beuno> Elleo, only through the SDK, yeah
[02:12] <Elleo> ah, okay
[02:12] <Elleo> thanks, I'll leave it out then
[02:12] <Elleo> any non-devs can just keep tapping their screen to keep it awake :P
[02:20] <beuno> Elleo, we'll provide enough in the SDK that they don't have to, hopefully
[02:20] <Elleo> yeah, but for now there doesn't seem to be any other option
[03:01] <Elleo> heh, just had to rip liblastfm support out of CuteSpotify because Nokia don't seem to understand how the GPL works :P
[08:17] <ca18det> why would the keyboard work on my app in the sdk but not on my device, it pops up and goes away instantly. This also usually makes the app lock up as well
[09:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Origami Day! :-D
[09:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just pushed the less hacky hack that we discussed the other week to https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-cursor-in-view/+merge/193743
[09:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: as well as updating to refer to the bug in UITK that prevents anchorToKeyboard from working in landscape orientation
[09:26] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, cool, I’ll take another look later this morning
[09:26] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok thanks. also bill didn't sent me any list of priorities, i guess i'l just go on killing bugs in notes ?
[09:27] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I guess so
[09:27] <AskUbuntu> Quickly app not working on raspberry pi | http://askubuntu.com/q/375354
[09:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, also, I’d appreciate if you could review a couple of MRs for webbrowser-app
[09:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, (not urgent, when you have a moment) https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/cleaner-workaround-1248620/+merge/194455 and https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/always-use-local-server-in-tests/+merge/194377
[09:29] <nerochiaro> ok, will have a look
[09:32] <oSoMoN> thanks
[09:51] <nik90> hey everyone, can you guys tell me how to play a remote video in url? I have tried searching online but couldn't find anything.
[09:51] <nik90> Does the SDK offer anything on this?
[09:52] <nik90> I rather handle the video playing in my app instead of redirecting it to the webbrowser-app
[09:56] <t1mp> nik90: we didn't add something to the UITK for this.
[09:56] <t1mp> nik90: It would be nice to integrate the components from lp:mediaplayer-app into the SDK, but currently we don't have it.
[09:57] <nik90> t1mp: ah thnx.
[09:57] <nik90> t1mp: would redirecting to the webbrowser play it there?
[09:57] <nik90> or better redirect to the mediaplayer-app?
[09:58] <t1mp> good question
[09:58] <t1mp> oSoMoN: ^ ?
[09:58] <nik90> t1mp: on looking at the URlHandler, there is a handler for movies -> video:///..although not sure about the online part.
[09:58] <nik90> will try both methods
[09:58] <t1mp> best would be to open the url and let the system figure out which app to use.
[09:58] <nik90> yup
[09:59] <t1mp> nik90: ^ yes, that. :) But I don't know which app it will open.
[10:11] <oSoMoN> nik90, ideally, it should be redirected to the media player, although IIRC at the moment it doesn’t handle remote URLs
[10:12] <oSoMoN> nik90, so it will fall back on the browser (I guess)
[10:13] <nik90> oSoMoN: okay
[10:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'm not exactly sure what https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/always-use-local-server-in-tests/+merge/194377 does, can you expain a bit better ?
[10:34] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, it does what it says on the tin: make the tests more consistents by using the local test server everywhere
[10:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, for historical reasons, some tests are still writing temporary html pages to disk, but there’s no good reason for this any longer
[10:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, this MR is merely refactoring, it doesn’t fix any bug or add any new feature
[10:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i guess what confuses me is that StartOpenRemotePageTestCaseBase seems not to be using a "local" test server, and StartOpenLocalPageTestCaseBase looks like it's doing just that
[10:36] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah the naming could probably be improved
[10:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, StartOpenLocalPageTestCaseBase writes a temporary html page on disk and opens it, whereas StartOpenRemotePageTestCaseBase uses the local test server
[10:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, "remote" as in talking to a server, but I agree the naming is not super clear
[10:40] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: if you want to change it in another MR i can review it. but this one sounds good. i'll have another look and approve for now if all looks clean. in the meantime can you please run the example file in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1243164 by pushing to device and from phablet shell run "qmlscene test2.qml --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/gallery-app.desktop" and see if the prob
[10:40] <nerochiaro> lem happens for you ? I can confirm it but gush can't
[10:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243164 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "TextArea generates onTextChanged events when OSK is displayed or screen is rotated" [Undecided,New]
[10:41] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and i really need that bug confirmed so that the sdk ppl can look at it, as it's necessary to fix a very annoying notepad bug
[10:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, testing now
[10:41] <nerochiaro> tx
[10:41] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, regarding the renaming, I’ll do it in a separate MR
[10:41] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: perfect
[10:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I can confirm the issue
[10:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: both MRs approved
[10:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, please confirm the bug and if you can add a comment saying how you ran the test that would help too
[10:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, not sure where to confirm the bug though, in ubuntu-keyboard or in ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[10:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i don't know, confirm both, then i'll take it from there with the devs
[11:05] <nerochiaro> zsombi: tmoenicke: when you have some time, can we discuss bug #1243164 again ? oSoMoN just tested it and he managed to reproduce it. I would like to figure out with you why you can't reproduce it instead
[11:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243164 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "TextArea generates onTextChanged events when OSK is displayed or screen is rotated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243164
[11:05] <nerochiaro> zsombi: tmoenicke: it's rather important to make notepad work properly
[11:06] <zsombi> nerochiaro: ok, we'll try to check it again
[11:13] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: ok, will try again
[11:14] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: in the bug report there's the command oSoMoN used to do it, please try that way
[12:17] <AskUbuntu> plugin any software in to Ubuntu operating system | http://askubuntu.com/q/375402
[12:38] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: do you have the bug number?
[12:52] <mihir> hey dpm :)
[12:57] <dpm> hi mihir, how are you doing? :-)
[12:57] <mihir> hey dpm i am doing great :) how are you ?
[12:58] <dpm> good good :)
[13:06] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: bug #1243164
[13:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243164 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "TextArea generates onTextChanged events when OSK is displayed or screen is rotated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243164
[13:06] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: i'm going to get some lunch, ttyl
[13:06] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: ok, thx
[13:27] <timppa> joo
[13:27] <timppa> sorry, wrong window :)
[13:43] <blaroche> bzoltan: ping
[14:38] <gusch> tmoenicke: https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/ubuntu-keyboard/spellchecker-languages/+merge/194695
[15:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, can you please confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1236360 ?
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1236360 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "MainView.anchorToKeyboard doesn’t resize the contents in landscape orientation" [Undecided,New]
[15:20] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: looking
[15:20] <nerochiaro_> tmoenicke: did you manage to try getting the onTextChanged bug ?
[15:22] <nerochiaro_> oSoMoN: ah, ok, not sure why i hadn't confirmed it earlier
[15:26] <dpm> popey, do you know who scheduled the "Music app 14.04 development" session? (the first one on the client track at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/2013-11-21/display
[15:26] <popey> victor
[15:28] <dpm> ok, we'll need to make sure there is a blueprint to track the WIs
[15:33] <dpm> and good to see the developers taking the initiative for the roadmap, btw!
[18:24] <mhall119> dpm-afk: beuno: do we have good docs for cross-compiling C++ apps using the SDK so they can be uploaded to the click store?
[18:24] <beuno> mhall119, not yet, no. It's on the SDK's and foundation's team's roadmaps to develop a good story there
[18:48] <om26er> t1mp, hey!
[18:48] <om26er> t1mp, did you get a report from someone that with the new tabs behavior it seems the startup of a few apps have become slow..
[18:48] <om26er> I don't have any figures to show but its something that I noted.
[18:50] <t1mp> om26er: no, I didn't get that report
[18:50] <t1mp> om26er: on which device? On my magure startup of apps becase slow some time ago
[18:51] <om26er> t1mp, I am talking about mako. is there a way to switch that behavior off to get a "before after" result ?
[18:54] <mhall119> beuno: do we have anything for the people who currently have C++ apps written?
[18:54] <dpm-afk> mhall119, we've got https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CrossCompile, but it's still hard to get an environment for cross-compilation
[18:54] <mhall119> or apps with a C++ plugin?
[18:54] <t1mp> om26er: I don't have a mako device for testing
[18:54] <t1mp> om26er: not really. The change was actually made some time ago, but we didn't have releases so only since recently people got that change
[18:55] <t1mp> om26er: there are several changes that can be called the "new behavior" together.
[18:55] <dpm-afk> mhall119, another option is to set up a PPA and let the builders do the cross-compiling, but it's a workaround more than anything else
[18:55] <mhall119> dpm-afk: but that'll build a .deb, not a .click
[18:55] <om26er> t1mp, I am specifically talking about the auto visible toolbar and the tabs bar showing other tabs on start
[18:56] <mhall119> is there an easy way to convert a binary deb to a click?
[18:56] <t1mp> om26er: you can try removing this from MainView.qml:
[18:56] <t1mp>     Component.onCompleted: {
[18:56] <t1mp>         tabBar.selectionMode = true;
[18:56] <t1mp>     }
[18:56] <t1mp> om26er: in your UITK installation.
[18:56] <t1mp> om26er: no what I said is wrong. It is not in MainView but in TabBar.qml
[18:56] <om26er> t1mp, sure, anything for toolbar ?
[18:57] <t1mp> let me check
[18:59] <dpm-afk> mhall119, yeah, but it builds an armhf binary that you can drop into a .click
[19:00] <t1mp> om26er: that one is a bit more tricky. Toolbar automatically opens when you change the Page
[19:00] <mhall119> right, but still not easy, you'd have to understand both deb binary format and click file layout
[19:01] <t1mp> om26er: that is in onToolsChanged of Toolbar.qml. If you remove the toolbar.open(); on l.63 the toolbar won't open automatically when changing pages (or when starting the app).
[19:01] <om26er> t1mp, I can try to revert the uitoolkit packages, if there are no apps depending on any new changes
[19:01] <t1mp> om26er: it is not desired behavior, but it may be useful for testing performance
[19:01] <om26er> t1mp, great, will try that
[19:01] <t1mp> om26er: reverting is tricky, because as I said these changes were actually made some time ago.
[19:01] <t1mp> om26er: I don't think apps depend on it, but some autopilot tests do.
[19:02] <t1mp> om26er: and it is possible that more recent UITK changes depend on it.
[19:02] <t1mp> om26er: so I propose you first try it with the small code changes that I suggested
[19:02] <om26er> t1mp, ack, will do.
[19:23] <t1mp> om26er: if you see that there is a problem with performance caused by the new toolbar behavior, can you please report a bug here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:23]  * t1mp off now
[19:23] <om26er> t1mp, sure.
[19:23] <t1mp> thanks
[19:29] <dpm-afk> mhall119, indeed, that's just a workaround
[19:31] <dpm-afk> mhall119, I think this is an important topic. We discussed it at the last UDS, but we didn't get that far, as everyone was busy getting the release out. It might be worth assessing if we want a session and who'd be able to work on it on our UDS call tomorrow
[23:34] <Elleo> popey: new version of cutespotify in the review queue, adds lots of nice extras over the version I sent you a while back (favouriting, more search options, top lists, shuffling, repeating, automatic shifting between songs, etc.) :)
[23:34] <Elleo> my plan is to use new features as a bribe for QA reviews :P
[23:42] <popey> Elleo: ooh
[23:43] <popey> Elleo: bounced
[23:43] <Elleo> oops, thought I'd changed that
[23:44] <Elleo> hmm, I have changed that :/
[23:44] <Elleo> perhaps I uploaded the wrong package
[23:47] <Elleo> it'd be nice if you could reupload a failed package without having to bump all the version numbers
[23:47] <popey> i thought you could?
[23:48] <Elleo> when I tried with Eyrie it complained about a version with that number already existing
[23:48] <Elleo> and then when I tried just bumping the number in the web interface it complained that it didn't match the version in the package (which is fair enough)
[23:48] <popey> ah
[23:49] <popey> i guess they've made it more strict
[23:50] <Elleo> right, uploaded a definitely correct one
[23:50] <Elleo> or at least my local copy of the click review tools passes it
[23:51] <popey> ☻
[23:51] <popey> they all say that ㋛
[23:51] <Elleo> heh
[23:52] <popey> approved
[23:52] <Elleo> awesome
[23:53] <Elleo> oh nice, line breaks appear correctly in the app info on the phone
[23:53] <Elleo> wasn't sure if they would
[23:57] <popey> odd. one of my phones shows an update to cutespotify, the other doesn't
[23:58] <Elleo> strange
[23:58] <Elleo> hopefully not my fault though :P
[23:58] <popey> heh
[23:59] <Elleo> is it possible that you have an ancient package on the one that's not updating?
[23:59] <Elleo> that one might be com.mikeasoft.uspot
[23:59] <Elleo> I changed the name shortly after starting on it, but might not have updated the packaging right away


[12:38] <mvo> pitti: looks like the software-center maverick-proposed SRU is now verified as well, when could that land in -updates? I ask mainly for the ISD team they need this fix for the payments stuff
[13:09] <pitti> mvo: released
[13:11] <mvo> \o/
[17:05] <cjwatson> Why does http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-p-tracking-bugs.html show "O release" in the "Found" column for bug 897714, which was reported on a Precise image, is tagged precise, and has no mention of oneiric anywhere?
[17:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 897714 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "oem-config-remove-gtk crashed with SystemExit in _on_failure(): 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/897714
[17:40] <skaet> cjwatson,  I'll dig into it a bit this afternoon and see if I can figure it out with bjf.
[18:44] <stgraber> just pushed a new edubuntu-meta, this should replace edubuntu-fonts in the process, so I'd appreciate it if an archive admin can approve the new binary package (edubuntu-fonts) and remove the old one (both binary and source) from the archive
[18:46] <cjwatson> the new binary should be accepted automatically
[18:47] <cjwatson> could you file a bug for removal of the old source, and subscribe ~ubuntu-archive?
[18:51] <stgraber> sure
[20:28] <patrickmw> skaet, rtg just pushed a new version of linux-firmware (1.64). it fixes an issue where netboot installs are failing (and its blocking boot speed testing)
[20:29] <patrickmw> skaet, we'll just need to make sure its been built before we respin the ISOs
[20:29] <patrickmw> skaet, by we I mean, I'm asking that they get respun :)
[20:30] <skaet> patrickmw, I was wondering....    the daily images will be kicking off by the cron job in the next couple of hours.   Any reason we can't wait for those?
[20:30] <skaet> :)
[20:31] <slangasek> patrickmw: netboot != isos; what's the issue that was being fixed, exactly?
[20:31] <patrickmw> skaet, can we be more exact on how long?  teams are waiting for boot speed test results on those systems.
[20:31] <patrickmw> slangasek, ah ok.  bad wording
[20:32] <slangasek> well, not just bad wording - if this is actually about netbooting, you need a different fix, unrelated to the ISOs :)
[20:32] <slangasek> "Add all rtl_nic firmware files to nic-firmware"
[20:32] <slangasek> patrickmw: you're pxe booting, right?
[20:33] <patrickmw> slangasek, yes. but I'm using the daily image as my mirror
[20:34] <slangasek> patrickmw: that's not the issue - you need a fix so that the firmware is *in* the image you're pxe booting
[20:34] <slangasek> nic-firmware is part of the pxe image, and you need to have the right version in it
[20:34] <slangasek> so what we need here is a respin of the debian-installer package
[20:34] <patrickmw> slangasek, let me get rtg involved.  he can explain it better than I
[20:36]  * slangasek waves to tgardner
[20:36] <tgardner> patrickmw, yo
[20:36] <patrickmw> tgardner, hey
[20:36] <tgardner> slangasek, I added all of the rtl_nic file this time.
[20:37] <slangasek> tgardner: yep, thanks :)  so I was just saying to patrickmw that what we need in order to get the nic-firmware where it's useful to him is a respin of the debian-installer package
[20:37] <slangasek> which I'll address as soon as I see that linux-firmware 1.64 is published
[20:37] <tgardner> slangasek, ok, but it'll take a few minutes for the fresh upload to propagate.
[20:37] <slangasek> indeed
[20:38] <slangasek> it will in fact take an hour from now
[20:39] <slangasek> none of this requires changes to the ISO build schedule though; the only copy of nic-firmware that matters for the netboot case is the one in the pxe image itself, and that's all debian-installer
[20:39] <tgardner> right, a turn of the publisher crank
[20:41]  * skaet nods
[20:57] <pgraner> slangasek, we don't use netboot, we use the ISO and extract the kernel/initrd for the pxe setup via cobbler
[20:58] <slangasek> pgraner: from which ISO?
[20:58] <pgraner> slangasek, the daily
[20:59] <slangasek> the daily alternate, desktop, or server?
[20:59] <pgraner> slangasek, alternate
[20:59] <pgraner> patrickmw, correct me if I'm wrong
[21:00] <slangasek> pgraner: ok... that initrd is still generated via debian-installer, so the d-i respin is still needed
[21:00] <slangasek> given that we publish pxe images for the installer in the archive, maybe it would be better to use those?  Shortens the dependency chain
[21:03] <pgraner> slangasek, ok didn't realize those were there
[21:04] <slangasek> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[21:04] <slangasek> (or installer-amd64)
[21:05] <tgardner> slangasek, how often to those get regenerated ?
[21:09] <patrickmw> slangasek, pgraner: I didn't either.  I can try using those and make sure we get the desired result.  The important that is that we install the package versions that would be on the ISO and not just latest version (althought that will be the case at times.)
[21:10] <tgardner> thats a good reason for the ISO 'cause the archive image may skew wrt the ISO
[21:11] <slangasek> tgardner: they get regenerated whenever the debian-installer package is uploaded - so each time you guys upload an ABI-changing kernel that triggers a d-i upload, plus on-demand respins (like this one)
[21:12] <pgraner> patrickmw, Use the PXE images that slangasek referenced above then point the installer at the daily ISO
[21:13] <slangasek> tgardner: the initrd image that's included on the ISO *also* comes from the archive; so unless you have a reason to test a specific older ISO that no longer has matching kernel bits in the archive, I think using the current pxe image would be easiest
[21:13] <tgardner> slangasek, but the reason he's using the ISO is to chart boot speed. there may not be an ABI bump for multiple kernel versions, but the daily ISO will pick up the new kernel every day.
[21:14] <slangasek> tgardner: not relevant - he's not charting the speed of the installer booting
[21:14] <tgardner> but he is charting the speed of the kernel on the ISO
[21:14] <pgraner> tgardner, we boot, install, reboot, reboot & chart, copy results
[21:14] <slangasek> pxe boot the installer, do an automated install - which pulls the current kernel from the archive (which in this case is the ISO), boot that, chart
[21:15] <slangasek> the only case where skew between the pxe-booted kernel and the kernel on the ISO can *possibly* hurt is if the pxe image itself doesn't have the drivers needed in order to find the hardware you're installing to
[21:17] <slangasek> so if there's been a kernel ABI update, d-i is respun, and the ISO is not yet respun, it'll fail because it can't find the disk drivers
[21:18] <slangasek> I think the easy answer there is to wait until the ISO is respun to match d-i, though?
[21:18] <tgardner> I guess I don't see the advantage. He's gotta have the ISO anyways, why not just build the netboot from it. that way we _know_ there is no skew.
[21:19] <slangasek> it's no skin off my nose if he does
[21:19] <slangasek> it just makes a longer dependency chain when something needs fixing in the boot sequence
[21:20] <tgardner> yeah, its not really my problem either :) I'll let patrickmw deal with it.
[21:20] <pgraner> slangasek, tgardner, personally I don't care, but I need this working
[21:21] <tgardner> pgraner, you should have it as soon as the publisher has run and the ISO is respun. couple of hours ?
[21:22] <tgardner> pgraner, skaet: looks like linux-firmware is published
[21:22] <pgraner> tgardner, I know I was saying that in frustration
[21:23] <slangasek> tgardner: it's "published", not published; it has to be visible on the mirror before I pull the trigger on debian-installer
[21:25]  * skaet nods
[21:53] <slangasek> debian-installer uploaded
[23:23] <cjwatson> regarding the discussion earlier, it indeed sounds like it makes absolutely no sense to use the image on the ISO.  It means you have to wait longer for fixes for no benefit
[23:51] <Laney> Regarding ben: I think it'll make future merging easier if we keep configs and code separate
[23:53] <cjwatson> fine by me
[23:53] <Laney> I'm setting up a project and a vcs import of collab-maint/ben.git now
[23:59] <Laney> hope to finish the merge tomorrow, at which point I'll need help re-cronning
[23:59] <cjwatson> ok
[23:59] <Laney> bonsoir


[01:10] <Pici> Hello ladies, gentlemen and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri, I have returned to irc.
[02:03] <bazhang> ah okay zeka is danijel
[02:41] <rww> Hello! I come in search of people with magic factoiding powers!
[02:41] <rww> ubottu: search controls
[02:41] <rww> the last two in that list need deleting, and !controls could do with being made global and linking to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564
[02:43] <tsimpson> !controls-#ubuntu-mozillateam
[02:43] <tsimpson> !controls-#ubuntu+1
[02:43] <tsimpson> !-controls-#ubuntu+1
[02:43] <tsimpson> rww: is the current !controls-#ubuntu-mozillateam OK, or does it need editing?
[02:45] <rww> minor stylistic changes and links to that URL I mentioned ^^^
[02:47] <tsimpson> I'll change the '.' to a '|', because I think it looks better
[02:47] <tsimpson> !controls is <reply> In Lucid, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons have been moved to the left side. For more information, please see http://alturl.com/b6ja | To move them back to the right-hand side, see http://alturl.com/x5d6
[02:47] <tsimpson> !forget controls-#ubuntu+1
[02:47] <tsimpson> !forget controls-#ubuntu-mozillateam
[02:47] <tsimpson> !controls
[02:48] <rww> tsimpson: thanks for your help :)
[02:48] <tsimpson> you're welcome :)
[06:06] <Tm_T> Pici: nooooooooooooooo!
[06:29] <tritium> Good evening.
[06:56] <Tm_T> good morning, huomenta
[11:27] <bazhang> is neoraj a bot? he keeps with the what is xyz every couple of minutes
[11:28] <jussi01> !isitout
[11:28] <jussi01> that needs fixin
[11:29] <jussi01> !-isitout
[11:30] <jussi01> !no, istitout is <reply> nope. Lucid is due 29th April. More info closer to the date.
[11:30] <jussi01> !no, isitout is <reply> nope. Lucid is due 29th April. More info closer to the date.
[11:30] <jussi01> lol
[11:30] <gnomefreak> bazhang: what channel and best way to find out is to try talking to it
[11:30] <bazhang> gnomefreak, tried, no response in #ubuntu
[11:31] <gnomefreak> than i would say good chance its a bot
[11:32] <jussi01> if it isnt saying anything anymore, then leave it. if it makes a nuisance of its self...
[11:33] <gnomefreak> bazhang: i just pm'ed it/him/her
[11:34] <gnomefreak> can someone set the bot to use Lucid when using !info. and can we get it at same time as +1 channel is ubuntu-mozillateam
[11:35] <bazhang> gnomefreak, ok, seems not respond in channel nor via PM, and repeated the user_x see my private message to a user
[11:40] <gnomefreak> i didnt get an answer either. I say leave it for now if it starts talking again we can pm him (maybe his just afk atm
[11:40] <bazhang> ok thanks
[11:43] <gnomefreak> bazhang: np
[11:43]  * gnomefreak here to help :)
[13:00] <gnomefreak> jussi01: if you are still here i forgot if anyone answer but can we make the bot give !info for #ubuntu-mozillateam give the same output as in +1 (always the dev cycle) example +1 uses Lucid !info while its in devel
[13:03] <jpds> !staff | < ~Annaa> http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382061 do my breasts look to big?
[13:04] <gnomefreak> jpds: the redirct link is http://pcpunk.com/reviews/hosting/?utm_source=AdWords&utm_medium=PPC&utm_term=web%20hosting&utm_content=4907897496&utm_campaign=best-compare&Network=Content&SiteTarget=diy-hosting.net&gclid=CPmOgpGA7aACFQObnAodWXMcFg
[13:05] <gnomefreak> :) i always test links given
[13:05] <jpds> He's spammed -motu, -devel, and #ubuntu.
[13:05] <jpds> And +1.
[13:05] <jpds> And -server.
[13:06] <jpds> !staff | Hi ^--.
[13:10] <tsimpson> @channel #ubuntu-mozillateam plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease lucid
[13:10] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: done
[13:10] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks
[13:15] <tsimpson> !staff | please kill Annaa (~Annaa@<IP_ADDRESS>), thanks
[13:15] <jpds> Tried that.
[13:15] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: its old info (at least for firefox) is it that the bot hasnt updated yet?
[13:16] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: it should update daily (cron job)
[13:16] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks
[13:17] <gnomefreak> jpds: tsimpson seveas brought it up in #freenode and the user/bot hit there as well
[13:17] <jpds> gnomefreak: It hit a lot more channels than that.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> but no staff has answered
[13:17] <gnomefreak> jpds: yep
[13:31] <gnomefreak> is there a rythembox channel?
[13:32] <gnomefreak> i dont see one
[13:51]  * elky wonders if he's still laughing.
[14:36] <gnomefreak> i dont see a reason to remove or ban him at this time. can someone help me keep an eye on him (im going to be in and out for a little while
[14:36] <gnomefreak> )
[15:23] <jrib> lukn 4wrd 2 ur rpl at d earlst
[15:23] <jrib> that's just plain impressive
[15:23] <jrib> at could be @ maybe
[15:47] <jussi01> !1337 | jrib
[15:47] <jussi01> :D
[15:52] <nhandler> @login
[15:53] <bazhang> that's got to be the second or 3rd time neoraj has asked 'what is ssh' what is telnet' and more
[15:56] <gnomefreak> that cant be good
[15:56] <bazhang> at least he's not a bot :)
[15:57] <gnomefreak> true but both are popular for hacking
[17:44] <bazhang> richthegeek was also pulling 'pranks' in #ubuntu have in PM now
[17:45] <bazhang> such as just now in -ot
[17:48] <bazhang> topyli, ^^
[17:48] <topyli> ah. thanks
[17:57] <bazhang> richthegeek, something we can help you with?
[17:58] <richthegeek> bazhang: ofc. You suggested ubuntu-offtopic
[17:58] <richthegeek> topyli took offence whilst not explaining why
[17:58] <topyli> i think richthegeek came for clarification on as to why one should follow the guidelines on ubuntu channels
[17:58] <richthegeek> http://richthegeek.dyndns.info:62/log.txt
[17:58] <bazhang> richthegeek, for chat not 'pranks' of the nature you were pulling
[17:58] <topyli> richthegeek, that's why you're forwarded here
[17:59] <richthegeek> topyli: no, I came to ask why you kicked for something not actually against the rules of the channel or network
[18:00] <richthegeek> topyli: I am asking for an actual justification or reason, rather than just "because I said so"
[18:00] <topyli> richthegeek, two things. first, all the guidelines actually say is "be nice" and "don't be stupid". it's not a list of stuff you can't do
[18:00] <richthegeek> topyli: these are neither nasty nor stupid
[18:00] <topyli> second, when people ask you to stop a discussion, you do so
[18:01] <richthegeek> topyli: no, when someone asks you to stop a discussion with justification, you do so
[18:01] <richthegeek> when someone merely asks you stop, you ask for said justification
[18:01] <richthegeek> you proferred none
[18:02] <topyli> i already did the best i can. you were doing to do harmful stuff, and was asking for help, and i tried to explain that this is not allowed
[18:02] <topyli> eventually, all i can do is disallow it
[18:02] <richthegeek> topyli: it wasn't harmful stuff
[18:02] <richthegeek> and whilst you forbade it
[18:02] <richthegeek> you didn't point to where it was forbidden
[18:03] <topyli> why don't the apple stores invite you to mess with their laptops then?
[18:03] <richthegeek> that is why there are rules topyli, so single operators don't act like small gods banning based on who disagrees with them
[18:03] <richthegeek> and they do, in a sense
[18:03] <richthegeek> its banter with two of my friends
[18:03] <richthegeek> who find it enjoyable outside of their work
[18:04] <topyli> richthegeek, i'm not looking to discuss your so-called pranks. i would like you to promise to quit misbehaving on -ot, so i can let you back in
[18:05] <richthegeek> topyli: again, it doesn't matter what *you* want to discuss on OT. That's sorta the point. Unless it is something actually against the rules that are written, you are way outta bounds
[18:06] <topyli> i think there was a sufficient concensus on my understanding of the guidelines, when they opped me
[18:06] <richthegeek> topyli: and yet you cannot justify your kick beyond "because I said so"
[18:06] <topyli> if that has changed, my operator status may be re-evaluated of course
[18:06] <richthegeek> topyli: you say it is harmful to the machine or the store, when both are false
[18:06] <topyli> however, right now we have more pressing matters, such as your ban
[18:07] <richthegeek> topyli: I have no problem following the rules that are written. However you have banned based on personal feelings as opposed to magistratal conditions.
[18:08] <richthegeek> topyli: and none of the rules, before you suggest it, say that "the ops word is law". Quite the opposite, in fact
[18:09] <topyli> i had no-one else's judgement at my disposal. mine says you shouldn't talk about your plans on ubuntu chanels, so i asked you to stop. you did not
[18:09] <richthegeek> topyli: without justification. You still haven't properly justified it in a way that holds up
[18:10] <bazhang> this seems to be going in circles
[18:10] <bazhang> topyli, if I may?
[18:10] <topyli> yep, i'm getting ready to quote myself from above
[18:10] <topyli> sure. thanks
[18:11] <bazhang> richthegeek, the issue at hand is your quiet in #ubuntu and subsequent move to #ubuntu-offtopic ; as I advised in PM chat is the latter and support only in the former. discussing channel policies you were invited to come here
[18:12] <richthegeek> bazhang: and we are discussing channel policies, or rather topyli's apparent lack of application of them
[18:13] <bazhang> richthegeek, you clearly disagree with the channel policy of no pranks, no jokes, stay ontopic in #ubuntu and misunderstood that being asked to stop in #ubuntu-offtopic means you should stop, or the #ubuntu-offtopic was anything goes.
[18:13] <richthegeek> bazhang: you state it's a policy, yet you cannot point to it anywhere in the guidelines
[18:13] <bazhang> richthegeek, are you interested in working out the removal of the quiet in #ubuntu , and / or the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[18:14] <bazhang> richthegeek, judging from you r comments since you joined here, you seem less than interested for dealing with those very salient points, and wish to debate the channel policies.
[18:14] <richthegeek> bazhang: yes. I agree that it was the wrong place in #ubuntu, although I think you were a bit quick to kick (instead of merely point me elsewhere). However, the ban in OT is something I believe to be against the guidelines as they are written (as opposed to inferred interpretation)
[18:15] <richthegeek> bazhang: the channel policies are *why* those "salient points" exist
[18:15] <richthegeek> bazhang: *that* is what i am discussing
[18:15] <bazhang> richthegeek, well, the channel policies of all ubuntu channels are the same, when asked to stop, by anyone, operator or no, its best to do so.
[18:16] <richthegeek> bazhang: best, but not a rule. That brings it down to *who* asks you to ask and why
[18:16] <topyli> for the record, the guidelines do. say you should stop when asked. to quote, "drop a discussion if you are asked," and "take the discussion elsewhere if someone takes exception."
[18:16] <richthegeek> in this case, it's because the OP asked and the OP disagrees with the morals of the discussion
[18:16] <bazhang> richthegeek, continuing to argue about them  is not a good way to move forward, which is what we are trying to do in this channel
[18:16] <topyli> more generally, not everything can be listed there
[18:16] <richthegeek> that means it became a personal issue, and a moral judgment. Thus the OP is abusing his power
[18:17] <richthegeek> bazhang: arguing is the only any form of justice can occur. Otherwise it is you simply threatening and expecting me to grovel
[18:17] <bazhang> richthegeek, it has nothing to do with the OP as you state, and everything to do with your pranks are not welcome in any ubuntu channels. any user asking you to stop, OP or no, is sufficient.
[18:18] <bazhang> richthegeek, so, shall we try to move forward with the quiet and ban issues?
[18:18] <richthegeek> bazhang: can you please point to where either of these assumptions are written?
[18:19] <richthegeek> bazhang: the issue still stands regardless of what you wish. If you are acquescing because you realise you are in the wrong, it still stands. If you are merely tired of this discussion, it still stands.
[18:19] <bazhang> richthegeek, which are you referring to? staying on topic? not pulling pranks? offtopic for offtopic ?
[18:19] <richthegeek> bazhang: "when someone asks you to stop, stop", and "pranks aren't welcome in OT"
[18:20] <richthegeek> bazhang: I have been reading the guidelines and CoC, and neither mention either
[18:20] <bazhang> richthegeek, you were discussing doing damage on Apple property.
[18:20] <richthegeek> bazhang: no, damage implies permanence
[18:21] <richthegeek> bazhang: I was discussing how to do non-permanent things to a machine
[18:21] <richthegeek> bazhang: there is a *massive* difference between "kill 104" and "rm -Rf /"
[18:21] <bazhang> richthegeek, you seem more interested in arguing about policy, and not as interested in resolving these issues.
[18:21] <richthegeek> bazhang: again, the policy and it's implementation is why these issues have occured
[18:22] <richthegeek> bazhang: now, I have asked you and topyli to justify the actions, and you have deferred and changed tack repeatedly. If you cannot justify them, admit you are in the wrong. If you can, prove it
[18:24] <bazhang> richthegeek, it appears you wish to appeal your ban and quiet in #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu respectively
[18:24] <topyli> the actions are consistent with the current policy. if you want changes to policy, it's better to discuss it on the mailing list where more people can take part
[18:25] <richthegeek> bazhang: how are you not getting this... JUSTIFY the actions and I will apologize
[18:25] <richthegeek> topyli: the policy disagrees with you
[18:25] <bazhang> richthegeek, at this point other operators will review the logs and come to a judgment on the matter.
[18:25] <richthegeek> topyli: point to this policy, and the relevant sections, or you are no more than a priest saying "God hates gays"
[18:25] <bazhang> !appeals | richthegeek
[18:26] <bazhang> richthegeek, please note the links above and continue on with the appeals process
[18:26] <richthegeek> bazhang: if you know that you are wrong, (as the CoC says), Step Down Considerately
[18:26] <richthegeek> ;D
[18:27] <bazhang> richthegeek, as you have visited here (step 1) and are still unhappy (apparently) then the next steps are described in the link above.
[18:28] <richthegeek> bazhang: of course I am unhappy. The ban is unjustified. Requests for justification have resulted in repetition and avoidance. If you cannot answer the question, you agree it is unjustified, so lift the ban.
[18:28] <richthegeek> bazhang: it is a logical boolean position - either justify the ban or lift it.
[18:29] <bazhang> richthegeek, outside parties will review the actions and take the necessary steps. please continue the appeals process as described in the link above
[18:32] <richthegeek> bazhang: fine. You are failing as an OP though. You represent the community, and it is only through the rules that you are meant to wield the power granted to you, whilst remaining impartial against any personal grudges. Your position with regards to enforcement should be that of an ideal Judge or Barrister. I believe you have failed in regards to this, and further I believe you realise this yourself. If you don't, take a day and r
[18:32] <bazhang> the last part got cut off
[18:32] <bazhang> take a day and r
[18:33] <richthegeek> eview your actions and no doubt you will.
[18:33] <topyli> richthegeek, if there is nothing further, please part the channel as we don't allow idling on this channel. feel free to return if you wish to discuss your current bans in a constructive manner, or if we can help you with anything else
[18:33] <richthegeek> one moment, just copying to log file
[18:34] <bazhang> !logs
[18:34] <bazhang> richthegeek, ^^
[18:34] <richthegeek> bazhang: just trimming it down to the relevant sections (not editing for bias, just removing non-convo lines)
[18:35] <topyli> richthegeek, this channel is automatically logged anyway :)
[18:35] <richthegeek> topyli: I know, read previous reply
[18:35] <topyli> so is #ubuntu, but -offtopic is not
[18:40] <bazhang> well time to step down :/
[18:41] <topyli> bazhang, thanks for the help, not much we can do though
[18:41] <bazhang> topyli, he seemed more interested in arguing semantics than resolving the issues at hand
[18:43] <bazhang> afaik those types of pranks are not welcome in any ubuntu channels, and continuing to argue channel policy, chiding people to 'lighten up' is offtopic in #ubuntu
[18:44] <topyli> appeal process seems to be progressing, so it's not our job anymore
[18:44] <bazhang> ok
[21:30] <topyli> gone
[22:53] <jpds> What fun.


[09:01] <maks_> Tincho: i don't get your post
[09:02] <maks_> passing module options just works fine here in Debian too