[00:04] <irma-teresa> Hi everyone, I'm writing because the caja manager can't seem to stop opening new windows and they seem to never load too. Does someone know where I can find an answer? I'm in an ubuntu mate 16.04
[00:05] <rev_> Did you install antiviral by any chance?
[00:07] <irma-teresa> Yes, I installed Antiviral, from the sofware boutique!
[00:07] <rev_> Remove it. There is a problem reported here with it spawning caja endlessly: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-with-dropbox-antivirus-problem-infinite-starting-caja/7160
[00:08] <irma-teresa> ok, I'll try that!
[00:09] <rev_> After removal, open your terminal and and type: caja -q
[00:09] <rev_> That will restart caja properly. If the bug persists, we can rule out antiviral probably
[00:10] <irma-teresa> the windows stop opening and loading after I uninstalled Antiviral, thanks!
[00:11] <irma-teresa> I'll restart caja from the terminal!
[00:12] <irma-teresa> I think that fix it! thank for the help!
[00:13] <rev_> Anytime.
[03:41] <mate|6828> Can Mate 16.04 be used with secure boot UEFI
[03:42] <nomic> isn't that something you disable to install
[03:42] <nomic> dunno what it is for
[03:42] <nomic> thought, to prevent install of linux -- windows / m$ lock
[03:43] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[03:44] <mate|6828> It replaces bios boot menu on Hps and other computers. Secure boot is enabled instead of Legacy to protect from Root Control
[03:45] <mate|6828> Some Linux distros will install on UEFI boot systems without disabling secure boot others will not.
[03:53] <nomic> Support for GPT in Linux is enabled by turning on the option CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION (EFI GUID Partition Support) during kernel configuration.[30] This option allows Linux to recognize and use GPT disks after the system firmware passes control over the system to Linux.
[03:53] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Linux
[05:11] <he1kki> Hi guys. Managed to remove my mate panel as a whole by "remove from menu"-action (If I recall action correctly)
[05:12] <he1kki> I bet that my cursor was placed in the top menu, not in the menu item I wanted to remove, so I don't have any kind of menu right now.
[07:00] <he1kki> Hmm, one of my magic cmds fixed my Mate panel after reboot, don't know which one. Anyway, problem solved.
[12:44] <jason__> can somebody help me... I can't register for the support forums because every time it keeps telling me my confirmation link is no longer valid
[12:44] <jason__> I keep getting this synapse bug: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/synapse-crashes-in-16-04/5348/6
[12:47] <jason__> but when I try to change the command to GTK_IM_MODULE='' synapse in the main menu preferences it doesn't launch
[14:42] <mate|4813> hi
[16:09] <Dasto> I just installed Ubuntu Mate 16.04 from the mini-cd and all was well until I installed Antiviral from Software Boutique(v1.10). After reboot I got ‘Starting Caja’ Loop. I uninstalled Antiviral and it stopped. Where do I report this and has anyone else seen this before?
[16:10] <Akuli> what is antiviral
[16:10] <Akuli> if i'm guessing right it's supposed to be an antivirus checker.. please don't use them
[16:13] <Dasto> It's a gui frontend  for Clamav
[16:13] <Akuli> i think there's alternative guis for it
[16:13] <Akuli> anyway
[16:13] <Dasto> It was in Software Boutique so I thought it was tested and safe to use.
[16:14] <Dasto> Maybe it's just my laptop.
[16:14] <Akuli> i don't think so
[16:14] <Akuli> that sounds like a software issue to me
[16:14] <Akuli> Dasto, the best antivirus you can ever have is your common sense
[16:14] <Akuli> nothing will beat that
[16:15] <Dasto> true. I thought I'd try it.
[16:15] <Akuli> but why
[16:15] <Akuli> if you've moved away from windows less than a week ago i understand that, and it's normal
[16:16] <Dasto> I have been using linux for 8yrs now and haven't touched winblows for 3yrs now. I'm getting errors installing Minecraft. I'm now trying ppa route.
[16:17] <Akuli> is there a linux version of it?
[16:17] <Akuli> i thought it was a fully windows game
[16:17] <Akuli> maybe it runs in wine?
[16:18] <Dasto> Do you run Ubuntu Mate?
[16:18] <Akuli> yes, on my other computer
[16:18] <Akuli> this one is devuan
[16:19] <Akuli> with mate
[16:20] <Dasto> Okay. Minecraft is written in Java and has always run on Linux. Just a pain to run default way through terminal. That's why I always use lauchers from ppa's.
[16:20] <Akuli> Dasto, why don't you create one yourself
[16:20] <odroid> good evening
[16:21] <Akuli> right-click a panel, add to panel, custom application launcher
[16:21] <odroid> i cannot access
[16:21] <Akuli> set up whatever command you need and a decent icon, you're ready to go
[16:21] <odroid> welcome softwares
[16:21] <Akuli> hi odroid
[16:21] <odroid> i just got this odriod device
[16:21] <Dasto> Sorry I meant unofficial installer not launcher.
[16:22] <Akuli> you could even make a menu item of it
[16:22] <Akuli> so it would be in your menu, with all the other stuff
[16:22] <odroid> software boutique
[16:23] <odroid> it says welcome could not feature any software that is compatible on this system
[16:23] <odroid> any bro or sis have idea
[16:24] <odroid> how to resolve this issue
[16:24] <odroid> ?
[16:25] <odroid> Dear Akuli can you help please?
[16:30] <Akuli> which version of ubuntu mate are you running
[16:32] <Akuli> odroid, i'd recommend just installing your software manually with the terminal or using synaptics package manager
[16:32] <Akuli> more reliable
[16:44] <odroid> MATE Desktop Environment 1.12.1
[17:46] <gQuigs> where would be the best place to start a discussion about the the future of the i386 architecture on Ubuntu Mate?  (for instance I did it on the Ubuntu GNOME ML for them - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2016-July/004072.html)
[17:55] <Akuli> this computer is 32-bit
[17:55] <SCHAAP137> 64-bit here
[18:25] <gQuigs> Akuli: curious what chip, memory?
[18:25] <Akuli> this is an old thinkpad r400
[18:25] <Akuli> 2GB of ram
[18:26] <Akuli> but my oldest computer is an imac g3, with 256MB of ram :D
[18:26] <Akuli> runs ubuntu 12.04 with xfce just fine
[18:37] <gQuigs> Akuli: do you think you'll upgrade it, or will it stay on 12.04 until it dies?
[18:37] <Akuli> yes, and then it's time to figure out how devuan runs on it
[18:37] <Akuli> because 14.04 with systemd would be way too slow
[18:38] <gQuigs> Akuli: systemd doesn't really make things slower :)
[18:38] <gQuigs> Akuli: and anyway, 16.04 is the version that introduced systemd
[18:38] <Akuli> well, my personal experience has been completely the opposite
[18:38] <Akuli> its not
[18:38] <Akuli> 14.04 has it
[18:40] <gQuigs> 14.04 has a systemd shim layer that does a few things, but Upstart is still in charge
[18:40] <Akuli> well, that explains why so many people have issues with 16.04
[18:40] <Akuli> based on the number of people coming to ubuntu help channels after releasing 16.04 its garbage, and now i know why
[18:41] <Akuli> i'll never upgrade to it
[19:04] <JakesDen> I tried updating ubuntu mate and now my pc won't boot up!
[19:05] <JakesDen> I ran sudo apt dist-upgrade and now when I turn my pc on it says failed to load ldlinux.c32
[19:05] <JakesDen> Help!
[19:07] <Chakka____> sounds like a UEFI vs BIOS bootup problem - did you switch modes?
[19:07] <Akuli> JakesDen, hold down left shift during startup, you'll get to a menu
[19:08] <Akuli> JakesDen, highlight your ubuntu there, and press e
[19:08] <Akuli> Chakka____, nice i didn't think of that.. we'll see if he gets to grub or not
[19:08] <JakesDen> Holding left shift didn't work
[19:08] <Akuli> still same error?
[19:08] <JakesDen> Want a screens hot?
[19:09] <Akuli> in that case Chakka____ knows what he's doing
[19:09] <JakesDen> And my pc doesn't support uefi modes
[19:10] <Akuli> JakesDen, do you have the installation cd?
[19:10] <JakesDen> I will send screenshot any easy site to upload it to
[19:10] <Akuli> or dvd or usb stick or whatever
[19:10] <Akuli> JakesDen, postimg.org and imgur.com
[19:10] <Akuli> actually, pasteboard.co is great
[19:10] <JakesDen> No I dont but I can boot the install usb off my android phone
[19:10] <Akuli> :D
[19:10] <Akuli> can you boot the usb stick on your computer?
[19:12] <JakesDen> https://postimg.org/image/rz7w96yuv/
[19:13] <Akuli> does it just do that when you boot it?
[19:13] <JakesDen> Yes
[19:13] <Akuli> which architecture?
[19:13] <Akuli> i386, amd64, powerpc...?
[19:13] <JakesDen> I pressed esc and it says grub loading but it doesn't do nothing
[19:13] <JakesDen> Amd64
[19:14] <Akuli> so grub is broken
[19:14] <Akuli> can you boot the usb stick on your computer?
[19:14] <JakesDen> Yup
[19:14] <JakesDen> Can I try the grub rescue disk?
[19:14] <Akuli> i don't like that
[19:14] <Akuli> just a plain ubuntu iso would be nice
[19:15] <JakesDen> It only happened since linux kernel was uodated
[19:15] <Akuli> all linux mint fans would say that their distro never does that :D
[19:15] <JakesDen> I will start downloading ubuntu mate ISO now
[19:15] <Akuli> do you have the grub resque disc downloaded?
[19:16] <Akuli> and how long will downloading take?
[19:18] <JakesDen> Mabey only 5 mins
[19:18] <JakesDen> If I had BitTorrent then it would be 1 min
[19:18] <JakesDen> Do I have to reinstall ubuntu mate?
[19:20] <JakesDen> I just realised I had a usb with corrupted grub plugged into my pc
[19:20] <Akuli> oh :D
[19:20] <JakesDen> #derp
[19:20] <JakesDen> I quote like linux distros
[19:21] <pilne> i'm looking to install win7 alongside my mate, i already have the partition set aside and formatted ntfs, will installing windows overwrite my mbr?
[19:21] <Akuli> pilne, yes, and you'll need to reinstall grub
[19:21] <JakesDen> I have been using linux since I was 7-8 years old
[19:21] <pilne> but otherwise everything else *should* be safe Akuli ?
[19:21] <Akuli> pilne, yes, i can help you with that, or just google it
[19:21] <Akuli> i've done that
[19:21] <pilne> i've done it before as well when i borked shit
[19:22] <pilne> just chrooting in from a usb has worked before
[19:22] <Akuli> just be careful not to uograde to windows 10 :(
[19:22] <Akuli> :)
[19:22] <Akuli> chrooting windows??
[19:22] <pilne> i'm going to unplug from the interwebs to do the install
[19:22] <pilne> chrooting into my mate install
[19:22] <Akuli> oh now i see
[19:22] <Akuli> thats what you should do, yes
[19:22] <Akuli> i think just an update-grub might be enough, not sure
[19:22] <pilne> and then i'm going to install "never10" or something
[19:22] <Akuli> you can just avoid some updates on it
[19:23] <Akuli> i have a list of them somewhere, but i have no idea where right now
[19:23] <JakesDen> Well I wanted to play a game and on the box it says works on windows 7 or better so I installed linux
[19:24] <Akuli> :D
[19:24] <Akuli> some of them say 'greater'
[19:25] <JakesDen> I have never realy liked windows.
[19:26] <JakesDen> I have been trying out cublinux and 8 quite like it so I might dual boot it with my pc soon
[19:26] <Akuli> whats cublinux
[19:27] <JakesDen> A mix between chromium design and ubuntu
[19:27] <JakesDen> Cublinux.com
[19:29] <JakesDen> I must say even on a old Dell latitude d620 laptop with a old hhd it boots up quicker than entering I have seen before
[19:29] <Akuli> i can say same about devuan on this thinkpad :D
[19:36] <JakesDen> I just wish there was a way to watch Netflix on my 32 bit laptop on any chrome browser
[19:36] <Akuli> doesn't it work on chromium?
[19:36] <Akuli> i guess not, then you need to find an old 32-bit chrome somewhere
[19:37] <Akuli> or run a browser in wine
[19:37] <JakesDen> Nope,  asks for silver light and the browser doesn't have support for drm content anywatmy
[19:37] <JakesDen> I would use old chrome if only it wasnt horrendously out of date
[19:42] <Akuli> JakesDen, try firefox in wine
[19:42] <Akuli> maybe it works
[19:42] <Akuli> or chrome in wine
[19:43] <JakesDen> No I don't want firefox
[19:43] <JakesDen> Plus I don't want it complicated I just want Netflix to work out of the box
[19:45] <Akuli> no netflix or netflix in wine?
[19:45] <Akuli> up to you
[19:48] <JakesDen> No Netflix I guess
[19:48] <JakesDen> Well I will probably just use my phone for now
[19:50] <JakesDen> Well see ya all later!
[20:36] <ubuntu-mate> hi there, I have this situation. sda is my laptop computer HD, sdb is a flash drive I m booting and sdc is a portable HD. Id like to install ubuntu on sdc without interfering at all with sda normal functioning. Is the option Something else and then selecting sdc for bootloader installation a safe option?
[20:36] <ubuntu-mate> like this http://imgur.com/QZiV4PA
[20:36] <Akuli> best i can think of
[20:37] <Akuli> by the way, you don't need a separate /home
[20:37] <Akuli> just make a swap same size as your ram but not more than 4GB, and a / ext4 partition
[20:37] <Akuli> for boot loader, is there a /dev/sdc option in the boot loader menu?
[20:38] <ubuntu-mate> yes, i made a printscreen on the link
[20:38] <Akuli> choose /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdc1 if you can
[20:38] <Akuli> it's been a while since i used the installer though
[20:39] <Akuli> if you can't choose sdc, make it point at your / partition
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> yeah, i've done just that, if I didn't it wouldn't let me continue
[20:39] <Akuli> seems like you don't have a / partition yet
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> so this way won't affect sda AT ALL, right?
[20:39] <Akuli> if you carefully leave it untouched there
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> I've changed it since that capture
[20:41] <ubuntu-mate> right now it is like this http://imgur.com/ZeVqlwN
[20:41] <Akuli> i can't see what's going on in sdc
[20:41] <Akuli> can you scroll down a bit and take a new screenshot?
[20:42] <ubuntu-mate> sure, just a sec
[20:42] <ubuntu-mate> http://imgur.com/NldzADK
[20:43] <Akuli> liiks good to me
[20:43] <Akuli> looks
[20:43] <ubuntu-mate> ok, i'll give it a try! thanks
[20:43] <Akuli> before you click install now
[20:43] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[20:44] <Akuli> let's just see if someone else here can check if thats good
[20:44] <Akuli> because i don't usually use the installer for installing my operating system so i don't know if there's something more we need to take in account
[20:44] <ubuntu-mate> allright
[20:45] <Akuli> if nobody says anything you can ask on #ubuntu, but you need to register on freenode for that, /msg nickserv help gets you started if needed
[20:45] <ubuntu-mate> what alternatives do I have? it would be great to mirror my ``local`` filesystem with that one, if you know what i meant
[20:46] <ubuntu-mate> already asked
[20:46] <Akuli> mirror it?
[20:47] <ubuntu-mate> that the ubuntu mate that I have in my portable drive would be an exact copy of the one i have in the portable HD
[20:47] <Akuli> you can transfer your files and settings easily
[20:48] <Akuli> just copy everything in /home/username, including hidden files
[20:48] <ubuntu-mate> i see, but first I need it to have a bootable os first
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> hm... Akuli. when I press Install now, it doesn't select the appropriate device for the swap partition
[20:55] <Akuli> hmm
[20:55] <Akuli> i need to go now, its late here
[20:55] <Akuli> go to #ubuntu if nobody here knows
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> no problem! thanks anyway!
[23:28] <workhorse> just installed ClamAV from the boutique, and had Caja go NUTS on ME! It removed the desktop icons, and was opening endless caja's.  It was like a wet gremlin!
[23:43] <rev_> workhorse: That is a known issue ( https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-with-dropbox-antivirus-problem-infinite-starting-caja/7160 ).
[23:43] <rev_> Antiviral is being considered for removal from the boutique.
[23:44] <workhorse> Yeah, I can see why...lol, I was glad that was the issue, as troubleshooting the issue was confusing
[23:44] <workhorse> thanks for link, will look at it now
[23:45] <rev_> Yeah, that issue has been coming up frequently. Hopefully it will get pulled soon. Glad you figured it out.
[23:46] <workhorse> thanks, I'll look straight to the mate community
[23:47] <workhorse> for future issues...
[23:48] <MrMikl989> hi kind of new to Ubuntu but I did redhat 8.  I have U 16.  But I cant figure out how to make a shortcut to the desktop for firestorm viewer
[23:48] <MrMikl989> i found a web page and did gedit to make one, and there is a gedit icon in applications
[23:49] <MrMikl989> wonders if anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong?
[23:52] <MrMikl989> right now i launch in terminal and go to the directory and use ./firestorm to launch it and it runs
[23:54] <Slane19d> do you see the program in applications at the top?
[23:54] <MrMikl989> no
[23:55] <Slane19d> yeah, guess that was too obvious!
[23:55] <Slane19d> sorry,
[23:55] <MrMikl989> np
[23:55] <MrMikl989> the text file only appears when I go through file manager
[23:56] <dexter_> hello any info on instaling ATI R7 360 drivers on mate 16.04?
[23:56] <dexter_> sorry AMD
[23:57] <dexter_> just installed 16.04 and trying to get steam to work and suspect need drivers
[23:57] <dexter_> will i have to revert back to 15.04?
[23:59] <MrMikl989> and i made it using sudo, as admin, btw
[23:59] <nomic> why, on 2 monitors same .. have to "disable overscan" on 1 .. install
[23:59] <nomic> /boot/config.txt
[23:59] <Slane19d> might want to check steam forums for info, I got it to work that way @dexter


[09:17] <Scary_Guy> https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/3wfe78/hey_guys_your_friendly_neighborhood_detroit/
[19:10] <cmaloney> Morning
[19:10] <_stink_> almost.
[19:10] <cmaloney> Missed it by that much
[19:11] <_stink_> haha
[19:11] <rick_h_> party


[00:05] <lifeless> I think --xml is in a plugin
[00:05] <lifeless> written for IDE integtation
[00:22] <mnn> hi everyone... has been there any progress on this?
[00:22] <mnn> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bzr/+spec/tls-and-ssl-support
[00:24] <Noldorin> mnn: yeah, sounds highly advisable. the python 2.7 argument doesn't quite work for me...
[00:24] <Noldorin> it can always be conditional functionality
[00:24] <Noldorin> on the build or version of python installed
[00:25] <mnn> and what about gnutls along with python-gnutls?
[00:25] <mnn> that way python 2.7 won't be required
[00:25] <Noldorin> py2.7 seems like the more elegant way
[00:25] <Noldorin> but yeah, that's feasilbe
[00:25] <Noldorin> especially as a plugin
[00:26] <Noldorin> mnn: there way forward with this, as with most experimental/new technology in bzr, is a demonstration plugin
[00:26] <Noldorin> as proof-of-concept at the very least
[01:54] <mnn> Noldorin: I have little knowledge about ftp/ssl but I could try it... anyway I have more pressing concern:
[01:54] <mnn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1027529
[01:54] <mnn> seems like old issues with SFTP transport are crawling back:
[01:54] <mnn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/681047
[01:55] <mgrandi> i haven't had any problems with sftp on windows or mac...
[01:56] <mnn> however, I believe the sftp server I'm using is not hosted on windows
[01:57] <mnn> most likely linux
[03:07] <seany> is it possible to `bzr log` all revisions that aren't part of the branch anymore?
[03:07] <seany> i.e. do not have revno anymore
[03:38] <lifeless> seany: bzr heads
[04:40] <ls3> hello. Is it safe to remove some older /tmp/bzr-index-* files ?  (2 wks+)
[04:40] <ls3> I'm trying to read about what they are but all I've gained is they are used for caching
[04:41] <ls3> i just have 440 3M files clogging up /tmp ..
[05:20] <spiv> (in case ls3 comes back): anything bzr leaves in /tmp is safe to remove, and probably also a bug (in the bzr-index plugin maybe?)
[07:45] <seany> lifeless: thanks!
[08:03] <jelmer> moin
[08:24] <mgz> morning
[13:18] <bzrnewb> hi guys
[13:19] <bzrnewb> Anyone around?
[13:21] <jelmer> hi bzrnewb
[13:21] <bzrnewb> hey jelmer
[13:22] <bzrnewb> are you well acquainted with bzr hooks by any chance?
[13:22] <bzrnewb> i require very specific assistance and google seems to be failing me today
[13:23] <jelmer> bzrnewb: a bit
[13:23] <jelmer> bzrnewb: please just ask your question - if there's somebody around who can help they'll hopefully speak up
[13:23] <bzrnewb> sweet thanks
[13:23] <bzrnewb> well
[13:25] <bzrnewb> is it possible when pushing to run a post_push hook only if there are changes in a specified directory
[13:25] <bzrnewb> ?
[13:25] <jelmer> bzrnewb: inside of your hook you could check if there were any changes?
[13:27] <bzrnewb> ah that's not a bad idea.
[13:27] <jelmer> bzrnewb: the hook params should contain the old and the new revid
[13:27] <jelmer> so it should be a matter of just checking that those are different
[13:28] <bzrnewb> Would you do it file by file?
[13:28] <jelmer> bzrnewb: what do you mean exactly by "changes in a specified directory" ?
[13:28] <bzrnewb> excuse my ignorance here, I've only just started setting up a continuous integration environment at my new office
[13:28] <jelmer> bzrnewb: committed changes that were pushed that weren't present remotely before the push?
[13:28] <bzrnewb> yes
[13:29] <bzrnewb> but only for one of the directories in the branch
[13:30] <jelmer> bzrnewb: you could probably call Repository.revision_tree() for old-revid and new-revid, and then use new_tree.changes_from(old_tree) to get the list of files that have somehow changed
[13:30] <bzrnewb> great stuff
[13:30] <bzrnewb> I'll go investigate
[13:30] <bzrnewb> Thanks jelmer


[00:05] <SpamapS> wow how did apt get so full of New bugs?
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Nobody seems to triage them?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> Apt is one of those packages that is easy to ignore the bugs in. It is really important, but quite hard to triage
[00:11] <charlie-tca> We have made really good progress today, though
[00:11] <SpamapS> indeed
[00:11]  * charlie-tca thanks everybody for helping with apt bugs today!
[00:12]  * SpamapS offers ^5's to all
[00:17] <SpamapS> wow... I'm forwarding a wishlist bug upstream
[00:17] <SpamapS> apt needs some real love over in debian
[00:19] <penguin42> thank you to whoever fixed the reloading session bug in maverick recently
[00:37]  * devildante thanks everyone who triaged apt bugs :)
[00:37] <devildante> sorry I didn't participate, was fixing usc bugs... sorry again :(
[00:55] <SpamapS> 136 new now.. ;)
[01:00] <SpamapS> make that 135
[01:05]  * penguin42 tries to debug a seg in mango-lassi that only happens on one of his machines
[01:11] <cjae> also mixxx and djplay or teminatorx do not work in 10.04 kde4.5
[01:17] <charlie-tca> devildante: no problem
[01:17]  * devildante hugs charlie-tca
[01:17] <charlie-tca> We can't all hit every BugDay
[01:19]  * penguin42 looks at the code and wonders wth it doesn't seg everywhere
[01:33] <cjae> kfind is not in kde 4.5 menu
[01:37] <cjae> nore does it show up in recent used
[01:40] <cjae> if you add/mount something like an external ntfs drive with device manager with kfind open, even after selecting browse in kfind it will not "really" look for file until you close kfind and open again
[01:49] <cjae> devce notifier*
[01:51] <cjae> also fat32 external asks for password, not to sure about pmount, but someone said it should handle it
[01:56] <penguin42> I think it would be appropriate to set bug 609563 of mine to triaged - I've put links to the upstream bug (although I can't persuade launchpad to link) and how to fix
[01:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 609563 in mango-lassi (Ubuntu) "mango-lassi segs at startup (affects: 1) (heat: 85)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609563
[02:12] <penguin42> anyway, with that figured out, time for bed
[02:51] <drizzle> launchpad is fast tonight
[02:55] <lifeless> drizzle: thank you
[02:55] <lifeless> we've been working on speed.
[02:55] <lifeless> is there anything particular that is feeling fast to you?
[03:02] <drizzle> nope
[03:02] <drizzle> just in general
[03:02] <drizzle> how come redhat isnt listed as a distribution
[03:03] <drizzle> under also affects distribution?
[03:03] <drizzle> i set it to fedora
[03:03] <drizzle> close enough
[03:04] <drizzle> <3
[03:06] <lifeless> thats appropraite
[03:06] <lifeless> appropriate
[07:23] <dpm> good morning bugsquad!
[07:24] <dpm> could someone perhaps help me reassigning a couple of bugs to the right packages?
[07:24] <dpm> These were filed against ubuntu-translations, but have nothing to do with translations:
[07:24] <dpm> bug 631994
[07:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631994 in ubuntu-translations "Boot screen log line broken (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631994
[07:24] <dpm> bug 633017
[07:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633017 in ubuntu-translations "reboot instead of shutdown Ubuntu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633017
[07:25] <dpm> Does anyone have any suggestions to which package or project they should be best reassigned to? Thanks!
[07:29] <persia> dpm, 633017 needs heavy triage: we don't know how the user is shutting down, what tools they are using, etc.  I'd recommend adjusting that to Ubuntu directly, and either triaging it there or asking someone else to triage it.
[07:31] <persia> dpm, 631994 could be casper, or any of the console graphics drivers.  I'd probably start by assigning it to casper, as that has the string causing the immediate issue, hoping that someone else will make the decision as to whether to fix in casper, in plymouth, or somewhere else.
[07:31] <persia> Err, "casper (Ubuntu)" rather than casper upstream.
[07:32] <dpm> persia, thanks a lot!. Re: the first bug, do you know how I can change the project from 'ubuntu-translations' to 'ubuntu'? Launchpad won't let me do that: it says "too many matches" when trying to specify 'ubuntu' as the project
[07:34] <persia> No idea.  I've never been able to do that sort of thing successfully, to the point that I've closed down all my ubuntu-releated projects on launchpad that weren't Ubuntu.
[07:34] <persia> the #launchpad folk may know better, but worst case, open a new bug task, and mark the translations one Invalid.
[07:35] <dpm> yeah, I'll ask the launchpad folks first
[07:35] <dpm> thanks a lot, persia!
[07:37] <persia> Oh, as a hint, launchpad sometimes has a less-intuitive (and therefore easier to force) interface if used with a javascript-incapable browser (I tend to use w3m for this)
[07:38] <persia> Most of the do-what-I-mean stuff fails, so you have to be precise, but it avoids the exceedingly long search result pages, etc.
[07:39] <dpm> I'm wondering if it would let me do it by using the e-mail interface
[07:40] <dpm> although I think I can only open new tasks with that
[07:42] <dpm> in case anyone in the channel is interested, the LP guys tell me it's the known bug 80902
[07:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 80902 in malone "Can't target bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 64)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80902
[13:00] <shadeslayer> pedro_: around? :)
[13:00] <shadeslayer> need to talk about my bug control application
[13:02]  * yofel completely forgot about that
[13:02] <yofel> sry
[13:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh and ill look into the SRU as soon as im done with kdepim-runtime
[13:03] <pedro_> shadeslayer, hello
[13:03] <shadeslayer> 'lo
[13:04] <shadeslayer> so ive already applied to bug control and sent 5 bugs that ive worked upon, michag responded asking for more info, i replied back, but havent got any info for the past 2/3 days
[13:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: you do have read the Importance page, and you do understand that a bugs status and the importance have nothing to do with each other *especially* on the BC application, right?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[13:05] <pedro_> shadeslayer, give me some minutes to review the application, i've been busy lately
[13:05] <yofel> good, then I'm fine with giving you a +1
[13:05] <shadeslayer> pedro_: sure :)
[13:05] <pedro_> shadeslayer, probably the other members as well, so just be patient ;-)
[13:05]  * shadeslayer hugs yofel
[13:05] <shadeslayer> pedro_: right, was just a bit concerned that no one replied :P
[13:06]  * yofel had actually reviewed the application but had a X crash and forgot about sending the reply -.-
[13:06] <yofel> thankfully thunderbird saved it as a template...
[13:07] <yofel> sent
[13:07] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[13:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: altho i do have a small question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[13:09] <shadeslayer> in the medium section : A problem with a non-essential hardware component (network card, camera, webcam, music player, sound card, power management feature, printer, etc.)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> id say network card is a pretty essential piece of hardware
[13:10] <shadeslayer> not that it causes ubuntu to stop booting, but essential in the sense that its required to update your install
[13:11] <yofel> well, you don't really need it to use the system, note that there are usb-modems too, so it's not like it's the only way to use it, but someone else might argue different
[13:11] <yofel> JFo: there?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: id say that it isnt required to use the system, but in the long run, it affects usage heavily
[13:25] <tbsdy_lives> I would have to agree with shadeslayer...
[15:21] <charlie-tca> a reporter that understands "Tell us what happened" ? bug 419486
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 419486 in synergy (Ubuntu) "synergyc assert failure: synergyc: CArchMultithreadPosix.cpp:286: virtual void CArchMultithreadPosix::closeMutex(CArchMutexImpl*): Assertion `status == 0' failed. (affects: 10) (dups: 12) (heat: 105)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/419486
[15:23] <yofel> wtf?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I thought it was great
[15:23] <charlie-tca> :-)
[15:30] <greg-g> charlie-tca: that is hilarious
[15:31] <vish> charlie-tca: that was awesome! :)   you must have wondered where that story was leading to ? ;)
[15:31] <charlie-tca> I did
[15:31] <charlie-tca> I thought it was a bogus report
[15:50] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Oh that's great
[15:50] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I often find synergys giving me a crash report on reboot - don't think I've noticed it with the client; and it does that for me without any roaches
[15:51] <charlie-tca> I guess he really took it to mean "tell us", huh?
[15:51] <nisshh> charlie-tca: haha, that is epic! :)
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Not much point asking if it can be reproduced, either
[15:52] <nisshh> charlie-tca: should ask that just for lols
[15:56] <penguin42> can someone help me sort out the bug references in bug 614008
[15:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 614008 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "lshw causes laptop to freeze up (affects: 24) (dups: 9) (heat: 135)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614008
[15:56] <penguin42> I've just changed it from lshw (Ubuntu) to linux (Ubuntu) and attached a kernel patch to fix it
[15:57] <penguin42> now I'm left wondering what to do with the two bug trackers
[15:58] <charlie-tca> forward the patch to the kernel upstream team?
[15:59] <penguin42> charlie-tca: It's not upstream, it's an Ubuntu only
[15:59] <yofel> huh? you can set an initial status, importance, milestone and assigned person for a bug in the extra options on +filebug now o.O
[16:00] <penguin42> charlie-tca: I'm thinking the right thing to do is close the upstream lshw and linux bugs
[16:00] <charlie-tca> which reminds me, great class on kernel triage procedures tomorrow in #ubuntu-classroom at 14:00 UTC
[16:00] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Although there are many dupes of lshw hangs, this is certainly the fb one in maverick, whether there are any others is an interesting question
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Close the upstream bugs as invalid; local bug only, but you have to tell the upstreams, I think
[16:01] <penguin42> yeh, I will
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Good job, penguin42
[16:01] <penguin42> hey np
[16:02] <penguin42> nothing that you can't find with enough printk's :-)
[16:31] <penguin42> anyone know how to close a bugzilla.kernel.org bug?
[17:49] <vish> nigelb: around?
[17:55] <vish> round
[17:55] <vish> ound
[17:55] <vish> und
[17:55] <vish> nd
[17:55] <vish> d
[17:56] <jpds>
[17:57] <vish> hehe , was just trying to illustrate an irc echo :D
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Worked here, thanks ;-)
[18:11] <tucemiux> how do you file a bug report on a machine that's frozen?  o_O
[18:12] <tucemiux> Ubuntu uses Launchpad to keep track of bugs and their fixes. To file a bug you first need to create an account. Once you have an account you can use the tools we've provided you on your Ubuntu system to file bug reports.
[18:12] <yofel> tucemiux: frozen as in? does pressing ctrl+alt+f1 give you a terminal?
[18:12] <tucemiux> what "tools" am I supposed to use?  ubuntu-bug  forces me to pick a package
[18:13] <yofel> right, you're supposed to use ubuntu-bug, what did you do that froze your system?
[18:13] <tucemiux> yofel, my machine boots up, goes into GUI, I can see my nickname and the mouse promp but I cant click on my nick to login, I cant get access to a terminal, the system is unresponsible, I do get error messages attempting to boot up into safe mode, this happened after an update to the kernel
[18:15] <tucemiux> yofel, i installed the updates to my laptop while using the battery, the battery is good -- i then connected the laptop to a power outlet, the update ran for a long long while-- like yours, when I came back all I had was a black screen, this happened like 2 weeks ago when the kernel updates came out
[18:16] <yofel> tucemiux: can you try to hold shift pressed once the bios screen comes up? that will give you the boot manager menu where you can select an older kernel, try to boot an older kernel from there
[18:16] <tucemiux> yofel, ive tried all kernels, they all do the same thing, safe mode freezes as well
[18:17] <penguin42> tucemiux: When you get to the boot manager can you edit the boot line on the latest kernel and remove the quiet and nosplash bits of the line and boot
[18:18] <penguin42> tucemiux: It might give a useful oops
[18:18] <yofel> tucemiux: so, you can't press shift+alt+f1 when it freezes?
[18:18] <yofel> er, ctrl+alt+f1
[18:18] <tucemiux> penguin42, yes I can,, how do I do that?
[18:18] <tucemiux> yofel, I cant access a terminal, in ubuntu ctrl-alt-fx sends you to a terminal, I cannot access a terminal
[18:19] <yofel> hm, try what penguin42 said, and maybe try sysrq+k (print+alt+k usually) once it freezes and see if that does something
[18:19] <penguin42> tucemiux: OK, so get the boot menu up (shift just after the bios) then go to the kernel line youre going to try and I think it's e to edit, you cna then scroll down to the line that ends in quiet nosplash and just backspace to delete those two bits - then I think it's ctrl-x to boot
[18:20] <tucemiux> penguin42, im going to have to try that in safe mode, in normal mode it boots up but to a frozen system, let me see what happens when I boot up into safe mode
[18:21] <penguin42> tucemiux: Well I'm just thinking that might give you some info on the freeze
[18:21] <tucemiux> insmod ext2?  shouldt it be ext4?
[18:22] <tucemiux> penguin42, which leads me back to my question: HOW DO I FILE  A BUG REPORT????
[18:22] <penguin42> tucemiux: Run ubuntu-bug
[18:22] <penguin42> tucemiux: Oh and don't shout
[18:23] <tucemiux> ive runneth ubuntu-bug a gazillinoth times
[18:24] <tucemiux> ubuntu bug insists on collecting information on the machine I am using -- the machine im using is just fine!!!
[18:26] <penguin42> tucemiux: Ah I see
[18:27] <penguin42> tucemiux: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug?no-redirect is where I would file it
[18:28] <tucemiux> penguin42, thank you very much!!  why is it so difficult for a user to find this information???  am I supposed to be a developer to be able to do this?
[18:28] <penguin42> tucemiux: Heck I don't know
[18:28] <penguin42> tucemiux: It's on the launchpad ubuntu 'report a bug' page
[18:28] <penguin42> tucemiux: Start your report off in the 1st line by saying that the machine is too dead to run ubuntu-bug or someone will ask you to run it
[18:29] <tucemiux> everything I click on "report a bug" it sends me to this web page that tells me to use ubuntu-bug
[18:29] <penguin42> tucemiux: If you scroll down on that page it gives you that link - that's where I got it from - it does mean you have to read quite a bit and understand quite a bit
[18:33] <tucemiux> penguin42, I guess so, im going to go ahead and file this bug report
[18:49] <njin> pedro_: Hello, can we consider a bug the instability of the panel, in right or left side enlareged to 100 pixel,(wnck-applet & xorg > 70%) when are opened more than 15 apps on the same workspace ?
[18:51] <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/396424
[18:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 396424 in ubuntu "Cannot switch from one application to another in the panel. I have to minimize the applications to do so. (affects: 2) (heat: 21)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:55] <charlie-tca> If you have visual disability, you might need those big icons to see them. Why should you then not be able to open as many windows as a non-disabled person might?
[18:59] <njin> charlie-tca: sure, but we have for workspaces
[18:59] <njin> *four
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Well, actually, I use between 7 and 10 workspaces
[19:00] <charlie-tca> but if I did only use one, as some do, I can have more than 15 apps open at once, without a problem, unless my icons in the panel are 100 pixel?
[19:04] <charlie-tca> seems so. I just opened 15 windows, and can still use my panel icons to open more
[19:05] <njin> charlie-tca: ok, i confirm the bug
[19:05] <charlie-tca> and that with 7 workspaces and apps in all of them. I can still open 15 windows in one
[19:07] <tucemiux> 7 workspaces? wow that's a lot! LoL  what do you do that you need 7 work spaces?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I prefer one or two apps per workspace
[19:07] <tucemiux> penguin42, i just filed the bug report, thank you for your help sir!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/635177
[19:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 635177 in linux (Ubuntu) "laptop freezes after installing udates (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:08] <charlie-tca> firefox, email, newreader, terminals, file manager
[19:08] <charlie-tca> alway open here, plus xchat, global clocks, tomboy,
[19:09] <vish> charlie-tca: ++  i always wonder how people work without workspaces o.0
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I can't. It confuses me
[19:09] <tucemiux> charlie-tca, so every app gets its own workspace?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> It really is so much simpler to run one or two apps per workspace
[19:10] <vish> tucemiux: how i do is.. every maximized app is a workspace :)
[19:10] <charlie-tca> The same apps get their same workspaces every time I start a computer
[19:11] <vish> yeah, compiz helps that sorting in gnome... in xfce how do you do it?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Xchat and time float across every workspace.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I don't use compiz
[19:11] <tucemiux> charlie-tca, you cheater
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I just save session
[19:11] <tucemiux> charlie-tca, does it affect your gaming?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Not for the games I play
[19:11] <vish> charlie-tca: oh session save does it there? thats neat!
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Games open in their own workspace
[19:12] <tucemiux> charlie-tca, everything will be fine as long as you dont play urban terror linline
[19:12] <tucemiux> **online***
[19:12] <vish> one of these days i'm gonna leave the big boys and join the mice ;p
[19:12] <charlie-tca> I have an app in the panel shows all the workspaces. Just click on the one you want to switch to it
[19:13] <charlie-tca> tucemiux: if uban terror uses that much computer, I will never play it
[19:14] <charlie-tca> vish: there is also "devilspie" to help sort the workspaces
[19:15] <vish> charlie-tca: yeah i used to use that.. it has more options too , but recently i switched that function to compiz .. let it do some work ;p
[19:15] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I never ran compiz, so I don't know what it will do
[20:04] <njin> pedro_: around?
[20:05] <pedro_> njin, yes
[20:05] <njin> Hello, can i upload a video in Launchpad and if yes, wich format support
[20:05] <njin> ?
[20:06] <pedro_> njin, what do you mean which format support?
[20:06] <pedro_> njin, it's just a file, launchpad doesn't do any streaming
[20:06] <pedro_> njin, the support resides on the client
[20:06] <njin> ok, but it won't start to upload my video
[20:07] <pedro_> njin, sorry but i've no idea what you mean, may you explain a bit more?
[20:08] <njin> I've to upload u video of a bug, but when i'm on attach page and setting path of my video, launchpad don't start tyo upload it
[20:08] <pedro_> njin, ask in #launchpad then
[20:09] <njin> ok, thanks
[20:09] <pedro_> you're welcome
[20:21] <njin> pedro_: can i have a lesson ?
[20:21] <pedro_> sure
[21:30] <intrader> njin, I have reported a bug, and it occurs to me that it would help to have video; would you mind sharing how you did that?
[21:31] <njin> simply wait
[21:31] <njin> intrader:^
[21:31] <njin> it takes time to upload
[21:32]  * penguin42 wonders if launchpad is upto taking great globs of video
[21:32] <njin> yes, bugtube
[21:33] <njin> ;)
[21:33] <njin> next time i up tu youtube
[21:35] <intrader> njin, I will look up bugtube - that sounds promising; thanks
[21:36] <njin> we can create a chan on youtube named bugtube where upload our bugs video
[21:38] <intrader> njin, I looked up bugtube to no avail. Is there a way to record the UI?
[21:40] <njin> we have some screen recorder on synaptic, but i use my cell phone
[21:40] <kamusin> why you don't attach a ogv video into your report instead?
[21:40] <yofel> the screen recorders I know are byzanz and recordmydesktop, haven't used them much though
[21:40] <njin> why ogv?
[21:41] <pedro_> cause it's an open format?
[21:41] <pedro_> njin, don't be a freedom hater :-P
[21:42] <kamusin> :)
[21:43] <njin> i've learned another things
[21:43] <pedro_> njin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogg
[21:43] <njin> pedro_. thanks again
[21:43] <pedro_> you're welcome
[21:45] <njin> ok, from now .ogg, thanks
[21:49] <Tetsuo55> before i go though the whole process, is this retrace still relevant?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bugs?field.tag=need-amd64-retrace
[21:52] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, i think so yes, the retracers were fixed just yesterday so it's a matter of time for those to be retraced
[21:53] <Tetsuo55> i read that as a contradiction?
[21:53] <Tetsuo55> you mean i can manually run the retracers because they where fixed yesterday?
[21:54] <Tetsuo55> or they will run automated ?
[21:54] <pedro_> Tetsuo55, why do you want to retrace those manually?
[21:55] <Tetsuo55> pedro_:  because i have no idea how this stuff works :D
[21:55] <Tetsuo55> i was not aware of automated retracing ability in launchpad
[21:55] <pedro_> yes, there's an automatic retracer
[21:55] <pedro_> that's why those are marked as need-arch-retrace
[21:56] <pedro_> the retracer is going to pick those and generate a backtrace
[21:56] <pedro_> if the automatic retrace failed , the bugs are marked as apport-failed-retrace
[21:56] <pedro_> have a look here for examples: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream=hide_upstream&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=apport-failed-r
[21:56] <pedro_> etrace&field.tags_combinator=ANY
[21:57] <pedro_> but really, there's no need to do manual work on the ones waiting for the retracer
[21:58] <Tetsuo55> that saves a lot of time
[21:58] <Tetsuo55> :D
[21:59] <pedro_> indeed
[22:00] <pedro_> if you're looking for easy tasks we have a list of those
[22:00] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks/
[22:00] <pedro_> feel free to choose one there and ask here in the channel if you have any doubt
[22:00] <Tetsuo55> if i say " this effects me too" or " subscribe me" does it still add the debug data in any way into launchpad?  or does it drop it in favor of whatever was already attached to the ticket?
[22:00] <pedro_> also have a look to the triage guide
[22:00] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/
[22:01] <pedro_> which explain lot of things
[22:04] <yofel> Tetsuo55: the information is dropped, as duplicate information usually isn't very useful on a bug, and it make it hard to read. If you still want to add information, you should create a new bug and mark it as a duplicate of the original one (and sry if I wasn't clear about the auto-retracer)
[22:05] <Tetsuo55> ok thanks
[22:05] <yofel> you can add information to a bug with apport-collect too, but that should generally only be done by one person (the reporter usually), unless someone requests it from others
[22:06] <Tetsuo55> in my windows experience the more crash dumps the better, but that might be different for linux/ubuntu
[22:07] <yofel> sure, but the retracer needs a one bug per crash dump to do it's work, if it sees that the backtraces are the same, it will auto-duplicate the bugs
[22:07] <yofel> s/a one/one/
[22:07] <Tetsuo55> nice
[22:07] <Tetsuo55> i wish my tracker was so smart
[22:07] <charlie-tca> that is because not even the microsoft developers can read most of the dumps. In linux, the developers get good information from the dump, and don't need so many.
[22:07] <yofel> heh
[22:08] <Tetsuo55> charlie-tca:  that might be the reason!, on windows have to use crappy tools to look at a bunch of them and reach a conclusion
[22:08] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:09] <Tetsuo55> you cannot plain text read them at all
[22:09] <charlie-tca> exactly.
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Ours are readable
[22:09] <Tetsuo55> ok that helps me understand
[22:10] <Tetsuo55> does all that automated stuff work for any project hosted on launchpad, or are those custom services for ubuntu?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu only, I think
[22:11] <Tetsuo55> ok
[22:11] <charlie-tca> but maybe scripts could be written for others?
[22:12] <yofel> apport was written for ubuntu originally, and I don't know if the retracer works for other projects, but you can at least make apport file bugs for other projects too
[22:14] <Tetsuo55> i doubt it will work in a windows app without a lot of help though?
[22:15] <Tetsuo55> ive looked at the mozilla one but that requires my own server which i dont have
[22:15] <Tetsuo55> but apports idea might still work in a scripted form on windows (just pasting the crash dump to a ticket on sourceforge)
[22:17] <yofel> well, again, I don't know about the retracer, but apport is written in python, so while it requries hacking it should be possible, I don't know if we have python-launchpadlib for windows though
[22:17] <intrader> yofel, I seem to experience that while recording the UI, the UI no longer misbehaves! Using recordMyDesktop
[22:17] <yofel> and it's off-topic for this channel
[22:17] <Tetsuo55> ok well thanks for the info
[22:18] <yofel> intrader: that's the famous case of an app working perfectly fine once you try to debug it
[22:19] <intrader> yofel, I know my friend :(
[22:21] <intrader> yofel, without the recorder, it is fairly easy to duplicate the various behaviors I report in bug 631130
[22:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[22:23] <yofel> ah, you'll probably need to use a camera for that, as it will record the apps fine, but the actual rendering of the apps on the display will be sluggy after that
[22:23] <yofel> I guess..
[22:23] <njin> hello, can someone help me with java ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374007
[22:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 374007 in ubuntu "Java Aplication freeze with futex_wait (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[22:24] <intrader> yofel, I will see if I can catch the various behaviors with my wife's camera.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> oias
[23:47] <trinikrono> hey guys where do i assign a bug
[23:47] <trinikrono> if its a issue with the mouse and or keyboard


[05:39] <tompa[m]> is there a display scale function in Mate 17.10? - couldnt find it
[09:24] <guest-v2nbgz> join ubuntu
[09:24] <guest-v2nbgz> halo
[09:24] <guest-v2nbgz> kto tu
[09:26] <guest-v2nbgz> halo
[09:41] <mate|44625> i have install Ubuntu mate 16.04. but in Ubuntu mate
[09:43] <mate|44625> i have install Ubuntu mate 16.04. but in Ubuntu mate
[09:43] <mate|44625> i install Ubuntu mate 16.04 on server
[09:43] <mate|44625> and i access them remotely
[09:44] <mate|44625> on team Viewer
[09:46] <mate|44625> in team Viewer all is fine
[09:47] <mate|44625> but in Server Desktop i open some application that application is opening and closing.
[09:48] <mate|44625> when i open application shortcut.
[09:49] <mate|44625> please help to solve this problem
[09:49] <mate|44625> thank's
[10:04] <vlt> mate|60694: Which application is closing?
[10:04] <vlt> mate|60694: And what did you do before to access the machine via team viewer?
[11:33] <mate|60694> openerp-client v.5
[11:40] <vlt> mate|60694: And?
[11:49] <mate|60694> noting i do before to access the machine via team viewer
[12:00] <vlt> mate|60694: In my experience you need to be running something on the Ubuntu server that a team viewer client couls connect to. And I have no idea what that might be on your Ubuntu install.
[12:01] <vlt> could
[12:14] <mate|60694> ok
[17:44] <ubuntu-mate> Hello. Acute accent don't work well on my spanish keyboard. Look: `a `e `i `o `u. Acute accent must be ON vowels :P
[17:45] <ubuntu-mate> This is a Dell inspiron 3421
[17:46] <ubuntu-mate> ´a ´e ´i ´o ´u
[17:53] <ubuntu-mate> ;)
[17:57] <ubuntu-mate> Hola. La tilde no funciona bien en mi teclado latinoamericano. Miren: ´a ´e ´i ´o ´u :P
[18:08] <ubuntu-mate> OK, mute people...
[18:10] <ubuntu-mate> Bye-bye._
[18:54] <mate|45431> hello - I am currently installing ubuntu on a USB stick (128 GB) - do you think this is a good idea or using a USB stick will be a problem mid/longterm?
[19:40] <un2him> Still love ubuntu-mate...not getting into the Solus hype