[00:06] <philipballew> !vpn
[00:06] <philipballew> !vpnserver
[00:06] <philipballew> ...
[00:09] <gua> any ideas on a good way to quickly set up method of file transfer for a single client? i'm thinking of stunnel+nfs or maybe rsync+rssh
[00:31] <pmatulis> gua: scp?  maybe provide some context
[00:33] <gua> rather than relying on usb sticks, i'm hoping to figure out a good way to temporarily share files on a public network/wifi that's encrypted somehow
[00:35] <pmatulis> gua: investigate the fuse-based sshfs filesystem
[00:50] <Adam__> hi all, I'm having issues with my server, I just ubuntu 11.04 server edition with lamp, open ssh, etc. I cped the default sites-available file and made my own for my fqdn, and to point to my site's directory, and I have DNS setup to point to my IP, forwarded port 22 - 80 to my server computer, but when I try to go to my site ( www.adamgleason.com) it won't connect, but I can ssh into it remotley, so it has to be something wrong w
[00:50] <Adam__> ith apache, any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
[02:51] <twb> Fun tip: next time lucid's mdadm gets completely confused on --assemble --scan, try using --metadata=1.2 instead of the default 0.9
[02:51] <twb> See, what happens with 0.9 is, it puts the metadata at the end of the partition.  If the partition happens to end at the same place as the disk ends, mdadm --assemble --scan will try to assemble the *disk* instead of the partition.
[02:52] <twb> This is usually not noticed because (I guess) partman/sfdisk align at the last CHS boundary or something, rather than running the partition to the very end of the disk
[02:52] <twb> Also newer non-LTS releases don't default to 0.9 format
[03:12] <mauricio> I'm having some trouble with work and I'd love to get some help.  I'll be happy to paypal a few bucks if anyone can help me out. I'm trying to run firefox/konqeuror from shell_exec in php
[03:13] <mauricio> im using suexec and i have no issues normally doing it from the terminal
[03:13] <mauricio> ran whoami on both ends, same user
[03:13] <mauricio> http://cl.ly/1O201A1W450M3d3O1M2w is a screenshot of what keeps happening
[03:13] <mauricio> Keeps saying ~/.kde can't be written to
[03:13] <mauricio> and i think with firefox it can't write to ~/.mozilla
[03:14] <mauricio> I'm not sure if its a permissions error or how to fix it or what
[03:20] <twb> Isn't suexec an apache thing?
[03:20] <twb> Why would apache be trying to write to .kde
[03:20] <mauricio> no thats when im running shell_exec
[03:21] <mauricio> and konqueror is just loading/writing settings
[03:21] <twb> I don't know what shell_exec is, either.
[03:21] <mauricio> similar to system()
[03:21] <twb> But probably what's happened is that root has overwritten dotfiles in your home directory, and now you can't overwrit them again.
[03:22] <twb> To get around this, you should use "sudo -i" or "sudo -H -s" or "su -" instead of just "sudo" or "su"
[03:22] <mauricio> well
[03:22] <twb> Doing so will cause HOME to be set to /root
[03:22] <mauricio> ill put it this way
[03:22] <mauricio> im not using a root account at all for this
[03:22] <mauricio> if i ssh and run DISPLAY=:1 konqueror &
[03:22] <mauricio> it works
[03:23] <mauricio> if i use php and use shell_exec or system(), and do the same command, it does not
[03:23] <twb> If you're doing systems programming in PHP: don't.
[03:23] <mauricio> lol
[03:23] <mauricio> im trying to get a simple screenshot server to work
[03:24] <mauricio> heck id settle for any lightweight way to generate multiple screenshots at once
[03:38] <qman__> yeah, PHP is just not up to a task like that
[03:38] <qman__> its system call methods are just plain awkward, even for simple tasks
[03:40] <twb> Also PHP is just plain wrong
[03:41] <mauricio> lol
[03:41] <mauricio> i tried python as well
[03:41] <mauricio> same behavior
[03:43] <mauricio> should i be thinking of running a simple http server, and starting that up from the terminal? im not sure
[03:44] <qman__> I wrote a user time management system for an all0windows Active Directory environment in PHP
[03:44] <qman__> boy was that ever a nightmare
[03:44] <mauricio> lol
[03:45] <qman__> unfortunately I don't know any other languages well enough to actually do it
[03:45] <mauricio> im talking start browser -> DISPLAY=:1 import
[03:45] <mauricio> :(
[03:45] <mauricio> its 2 commands which is a really pity
[03:45] <mauricio> *real
[03:45] <mauricio> i tried moz-repl but that was too slow :(
[03:45] <qman__> <- not a programmer
[03:46] <mauricio> yeah thats alright
[03:46] <qman__> I know how to program, I'm just not any good at it
[03:47] <qman__> said system I made does actually work though
[03:47] <qman__> took several weeks to work out the bugs
[03:49] <gua> mauricio: might be the lack of env vars from the thing you're launching konqueror from
[03:49] <mauricio> how would i go along with fixing that
[03:49] <mauricio> i did try something along those lines but maybe i did something different
[03:50] <mauricio> thats what the issue sounded like to me at first
[03:50] <gua> do a thing like "bash -c "DISPLAY=:1; konqueror"
[03:50] <mauricio> sec
[03:50] <gua> with your script
[03:50] <gua> so it'll load up .bashrc and .bash_profile and all that goodness
[03:52] <mauricio> not working at all on first try, give me just a minute
[03:53] <mauricio> bash -c DISPLAY=:1 konqueror & isn't working from the terminal either
[03:53] <gua> mauricio: gotta quote the stuff after bash -c
[03:53] <gua> bash -c "echo foo; echo bar"
[03:53] <mauricio> whoops
[03:53] <mauricio> sorry
[03:54] <mauricio> that was exactly what i was looking for!
[03:54] <mauricio> thanks
[03:54] <mauricio> you have no idea how much time i wasted
[03:54] <mauricio> lol
[03:54] <gua> aha
[03:54] <gua> gl then
[03:55] <gua> btw srsly, switch to python
[03:55] <mauricio> well to be honest for this it wouldnt matter
[03:55] <gua> bash+python will do 99% of stuff
[03:55] <mauricio> it makes no difference to me i guess
[03:56] <mauricio> in the end its just a tool
[03:56] <mauricio> i did code the same thing with python but this has more to do with suexec i think
[03:56] <van7hu> howdy
[03:57] <van7hu> I've installed snort-mysql successfully, where could my alert go in?
[04:08] <mauricio> ouch
[04:08] <mauricio> i got mixed up, bash -c did not work from php :(
[04:08] <mauricio> ill try to figure out but it didnt work
[04:09] <mauricio> ill setup python with the correct configuration first
[04:09] <mauricio> and try from there
[04:22] <gua> mauricio: same issue?
[04:23] <mauricio> actually i solved it just now
[04:23] <mauricio> not pretty but i got it
[04:23] <mauricio> lol
[04:23] <mauricio> took a python webserver script and using os.popen
[04:23] <mauricio> and from the terminal im starting it using python server.py
[04:23] <mauricio> and since i already have enough php code im calling that using php curl
[04:23] <mauricio> it works
[04:24] <mauricio> i tried it a while back but i got lucky this time
[04:24] <mauricio> ha
[04:24] <mauricio> but yeah not pretty but this is work and i gotta find a way
[04:25] <mauricio> now i just gotta see what i can come up with to scale this a bit more (want to generate multiple screenshots at once) but i can take it from here
[04:25] <mauricio> thanks
[04:26] <twb> mauricio: you might want to ask #python or ##php instead of here
[04:26] <mauricio> well sure but yeah i came on here because normally i have the same issue with both
[04:26] <mauricio> and it has to do more with suexec
[04:27] <mauricio> either way i got it now
[05:04] <kirkland> Daviey: RoAkSoAx: I'm thinking cobbler-enroll or orchestra could use something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/675028/
[05:04] <kirkland> Daviey: RoAkSoAx: to take the target baremetal system and give it tags or classes for the instance types that this baremetal machine could host
[05:05] <kirkland> Daviey: RoAkSoAx I'm thinking this would make the ensemble bits be able to deploy to the "right" or "best" physical machine more easily
[05:23] <shang> kirkland: ping, after I install Orchestra on Oneiric, I tried running cobbler check, but nothing shows up. any ideas?
[05:42] <MACscr> so i have a working ubuntu guest that I am going to create an image of so I can use it to create other guests. I currently dont use ipv6, but would still like the image to be ipv6 friendly. For some odd reason the ubuntu system is showing ipv6 addresses in ifconfig. I dont have ipv6 setup for the guest in the guest xen cfg, so where is it adding these addresses? they arent in network/interfaces
[05:43] <twb> MACscr: ipv6 is on by default
[05:43] <twb> MACscr: the design of ipv6 is that you get an address automatically, even without DHCP or similar
[05:43] <CluelessPerson> hey guys.
[05:43] <CluelessPerson> I have a question about ddclient
[05:43] <CluelessPerson> it's giving me an error, cannot get ip address or something ismilar to that.
[05:43] <twb> MACscr: for more about this, read up on ICMPv6
[05:43] <MACscr> rwb: how can get addreses by default if nothing is serving them? thats stupid
[05:44] <twb> MACscr: your machine *will* respond to requests on those addresses
[05:44] <twb> If it's (say) physically unplugged, that just means it'll still respond, but nothing can actually talk to it.
[05:44] <MACscr> why the hell did they design things that way? whats the point in a system mysteriously creating its own addresses?
[05:45] <twb> MACscr: for the same reason DHCP exists -- networks that require less babysitting are easier for non-technical people to maintain, and cheaper for technical people to maintain.
[05:46] <twb> MACscr: and it's only "mysterious" to you because you don't understand how IPv6 works.
[05:46] <MACscr> but the point of dhcp is to have a central place to control things imho
[05:46] <MACscr> which this obviously defeats
[05:47] <twb> MACscr: I suggest you either study IPv6, turn it off on your machines, or just live with the way it is.
[05:47] <trapmax> how can i get rid of "File descriptor 15 (socket:[6111]) leaked on lvremove invocation. Parent PID /bin/bash" when running a cron job?
[05:47] <twb> MACscr: I am not interested in discussing whether it's a good or a bad thing.
[05:47] <MACscr> rwb	you obviously dont have to reply here if you dont want to
[05:47] <twb> MACscr: you've had over a decade to discuss it with IETF if you cared.
[05:48] <MACscr> not thanks for the info
[05:48] <MACscr> er, but thanks
[05:48] <twb> No worries
[05:48] <twb> FWIW because I am not an IPv6 expert and because I am not actually using it yet, *I* explicitly disable the IPv6 stack on most of my systems
[05:49] <MACscr> twb: so is there not a way just disable the automatic part and still allow it to be assigned a static ipv6 if needed?
[05:50] <twb> MACscr: I'm not 100% sure, I think it picks an address only if you don't assign one, but it might keep that address *in addition* to any you assign.
[05:51] <twb> Incidentally, I highly recommend O'Reilly's IPv6 book
[05:51] <CluelessPerson> I'm getting an error from ddclient "unable to detect ip address"  why would it do that?
[05:54] <twb> MACscr: got a turtle on the cover
[05:54] <twb> CluelessPerson: are you running it on the host that does PPPoE?
[05:54] <MACscr> twb: thanks anyway. I have enough info to absorb in my work, let alone techs that techs that i dont use
[05:54] <twb> CluelessPerson: that is, did you type your adsl username and password into the modem, or into the ubuntu box?
[05:54] <CluelessPerson> twb  I don't think so, I'm not very knowlegable about that though
[05:55] <CluelessPerson> twb didn't at all
[05:55] <twb> CluelessPerson: ok, are you using adsl at all?  This is a home network, yeah?
[05:55] <CluelessPerson> twb  Verizon Fios.
[05:55] <CluelessPerson> so no.
[05:56] <twb> OK, so what gets the dynamic IP address, the cable modem or the ubuntu box?
[05:56] <twb> CluelessPerson: how about: pastebin the output of "ip a" on the ubuntu box
[05:56] <CluelessPerson> the verizon fios modem/router.
[05:57] <twb> CluelessPerson: you need to run ddclient on the host that has the public IP
[05:57] <CluelessPerson> twb  I set it up the same way on my previous server and it worked.
[05:57] <CluelessPerson> This server is just an upgrade, so I have to assume this is the host?
[05:58] <twb> CluelessPerson: in that case I dunno
[05:58] <MACscr> twb: i added the following to my sysctl.conf 'net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_ra = 0' and i rebooted. When i run: lsmod | grep ipv6, it doesnt show any info. Which is good. But the ip's are still showing in ifconfig
[05:58] <twb> MACscr: ipv6 is compiled in
[05:58] <twb> MACscr: i.e. it's =y not =m
[05:59] <twb> MACscr: 15:59 <dpkg> To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect).  From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
[06:03] <MACscr> ah, looks like 'net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1' was the updated setting
[06:04] <twb> accept_ra will be Router Advertisements, which is how IPv6 automatically acquires rules for "ip r".
[07:50] <philipballew> whats a good guide to setting up a vpn server?
[08:24] <CluelessPerson> hi
[08:24] <CluelessPerson> I have deluge installed on my server
[08:24] <CluelessPerson> and it looks like the webui isn't running for some reason.
[08:34] <CluelessPerson> I can't access the webui of deluge, can someone help me figure this out?
[08:38] <linocisco> hi all, I would like to ask generic questions on DHCP
[08:44] <CluelessPerson> most are asleep and I barely know anything
[08:44] <CluelessPerson> and my effing deluge webui won't f****** start and gives no errors or log
[08:44] <CluelessPerson> so fu**
[08:45] <twb> CluelessPerson: did you read README.Debian and /etc/default/deluge-web ?
[08:45] <twb> CluelessPerson: is deluged installed and running?
[08:45] <CluelessPerson> I have before but that was a long time ago
[08:46] <CluelessPerson> twb  The deluge daemon is running, but I don't think the webui is.
[08:46] <twb> !ask > linocisco
[08:47] <CluelessPerson> twb  and deluge is set to start at startup
[08:47] <CluelessPerson> but I don't see a web ui.
[08:47] <CluelessPerson> twb  It worked earlier, then I restarted the server, I think that's what happened.
[08:47] <CluelessPerson> twb  and now I have no idea of what to do.
[08:49] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[08:51] <CluelessPerson> restarting the server, see if something stupid might make the deluge webui work again
[08:52]  * CluelessPerson is annoyed that people don't make their applications simply autoinstall similar to basically all windows applications
[08:52] <CluelessPerson> "Would you like this to run automatically at startup?"
[08:53] <CluelessPerson> bam, autoinstall, take care of it's own crap instead of having me manually configure every detail, frustrating
[08:53]  * CluelessPerson sighs, because he bitched like a little child and it works after simply restarting his server.
[09:28] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:28] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:28] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:30] <Zimsky> back
[09:33] <CluelessPerson> hey
[09:33] <CluelessPerson> I just installed Samba, and for some reason my netbook isn't seeing my server on the network, anyone know why this might happen?
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:38] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/675101/
[09:42] <_ruben> linocisco: i assume you're not looking for help but are here to spam?
[09:45] <linocisco> _ruben: no spam
[09:45] <linocisco> _ruben: as I got no reply so far, and according to forum rule, I am reposting it
[09:45] <CluelessPerson> I've been watching.
[09:46] <CluelessPerson> and I'm a linux newb so I can't help you. ;_;
[09:46] <_ruben> first 3 times within a minute, then 8 times within a minute .. that's not conforming any forum rules i'm aware of, nor is this a forum
[09:47] <CluelessPerson> he's certainly not harming anything though.
[09:48] <linocisco> _ruben: as the screen is scrolling down, I am afraid others won't be aware. that is why I am reposting. It is just gentle reminder not to bother you with full paragraph like essay
[09:48] <CluelessPerson> linocisco  Also, the english of your pastebin is a little bit hard to undestand
[09:48] <CluelessPerson> Can you explain again what's happening
[09:48] <CluelessPerson> ?
[09:49] <CluelessPerson> You only want to use one server, the ubuntu server for dhcp service to the child machines?
[09:49] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: sure. I am afraid it is diffcult for you to understand.
[09:49] <CluelessPerson> turn off the dhcp service on the other new server.
[09:49] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: that is the point. you got. it.
[09:49] <CluelessPerson> ?
[09:49] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: I did
[09:49] <ersi> linocisco: I'd take a look at the DHCP config on that new box and set up some restrictions. Or setup a firewall.
[09:49] <CluelessPerson> so what's happening?
[09:50] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: but my some clients are still searching old DHCP server and as they could not find. they got no IP.
[09:50] <CluelessPerson> all on the same lan?
[09:50] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: I turned off the other DHCP source. I left only one. but some clients are still seeking that stopped DHCP source
[09:51] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: sure. in the same lan with same subnet
[09:51] <CluelessPerson> hrm.
[09:51] <CluelessPerson> I assume everything has been rebooted
[09:52] <ersi> There's no need to restart anything :P
[09:52] <CluelessPerson> that's just what I'd do.
[09:52] <CluelessPerson> restart the clients still seeking the new server having been removed
[09:53] <_ruben> only broken clients wouldn't pick up a new dhcp server automagically
[09:53] <_ruben> unless the network's broken too
[09:57] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: I have rebooted /shutdown every clients. that does not solve. all clients are windows XP
[09:58] <linocisco> _ruben: network or cable or clients are not broken.
[09:58] <CluelessPerson> like I said, I know very little about this
[09:59] <CluelessPerson> but I'd check the DNS/similar settings of one of the clients and see if yhou can force it to get the ip from the ubuntu server's lan ip address
[09:59] <CluelessPerson> and by very little I mean nothing.
[09:59] <CluelessPerson> ;)
[10:00] <trapmax> linocisco: maybe try flushing xp client's dnscache and release/renew dhcp conf
[10:00] <linocisco> CluelessPerson: unless we can give static IP on each clients. getting DHCP IP , will have the same problem unless we can change mac
[10:01] <RudyValencia> It's kinda weird, I'm sitting here listening to the "Cisco default hold music" on loop - it feels like really being on hold
[10:02] <CluelessPerson> RudyValencia  I can tell you that Toshiba's hold music hasn't changed in 5 years.
[10:02] <RudyValencia> Do they use the "Cisco default hold music"?
[10:02] <CluelessPerson> Please don't ask how I know that, needless to say, I'm never buying a toshiba product again.
[10:02] <RudyValencia> I see - too much time on hold with them eh?
[10:03] <CluelessPerson> lol, I'm sure it's just their brand of your song. ;p
[10:03] <RudyValencia> like, whatever hold music their default is?
[10:04] <RudyValencia> Ever been on hold at a place that uses a Cisco VoIP system?
[10:05] <RudyValencia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ZvUYhIeoQ <- this is what I've got on loop
[10:05] <RudyValencia> (not the YouTube video, but the actual WAV file
[10:15] <trapmax> better with ytrepeater: http://www.youtuberepeater.com/watch?v=K5ZvUYhIeoQ
[10:16] <RudyValencia> I prefer the original file
[10:17] <trapmax> with repeater one can simulate proper waiting times
[10:17] <RudyValencia> It seems about right with the WAV
[10:57] <linocisco> how to install openERP offline on ubuntu server?
[11:28] <linocisco> how to install openERP offline on ubuntu server?
[11:28] <linocisco> how to install openERP offline on ubuntu server?
[11:28] <ersi> I'd assume you'd fetch the packages (.deb's) and then do some command line parameter to apt-get or so
[11:29] <ersi> linocisco: ^
[11:29] <ersi> or put the debs in the 'package cache' that apt maintains.. If you hold your horses, I'll check what dir it is
[11:30] <linocisco> where is package cache ?
[11:30] <linocisco> ersi: where is package cache that apt maintains ?
[11:30] <ersi> Seems like it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/ from reading 'man apt-get'
[11:31] <ersi> Dude, I'm not all knowing.. I need to look stuff up, even if I know where to look. Please be patient when asking others to help :(
[11:31] <linocisco> ersi: so I should copy or move installer .deb file into that path and run from that location ?
[11:32] <ersi> if you'd grab the .debs needed for all the packages that you need, I think you should just put the .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run "apt-get install packages-wanted"
[11:32] <ersi> I'm not 100% sure, but pretty sure it'll work
[11:32] <linocisco> ersi: i see. If someone is taking into action on my questions , I wont buzz others.
[11:32] <ersi> remember dependencies (which you can look up on packages.ubuntu.com) if you don't know which they are :)
[11:33] <linocisco> ersi: I know where package.ubuntu.com. there are nested dependencies. DO i need to download all down the path ?
[11:33] <ersi> yes, you need the dependencies as well, to install the package you want
[11:34] <linocisco> ersi: apt-get install or dpkg -i  filename.deb ?
[11:34] <ersi> I was talking about apt-get install
[11:35] <linocisco> ersi:  ok thanks TGIF. I will try in the weekends see you
[11:35] <linocisco> ersi: because I have no ubuntu around
[11:37] <ersi> ah
[11:37] <ersi> Good luck mate
[12:03] <kim0> Howdy everyone .. Some chapters in the serverguide need reviewing (Email, File-servers, LAMP...etc). If you can spare some time to do it, please add your name to http://pad.ubuntu.com/serverguide ..  Can I install amd64 version of server?
[12:55] <EriksLV> this "Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead." makes me ask
[12:56] <EriksLV> ah, nevermind
[12:56] <EriksLV> core 2, so it will work
[12:59] <ersi> EriksLV: Indeed, correct conclusion mate :)
[13:00] <EriksLV> any major differences between 32bit and 64bit versions?
[13:00] <EriksLV> I'm not asking about memory support
[13:04] <_ruben> support for 64bits apps :)
[13:06] <ersi> EriksLV: Yeah, what _ruben wrote. You can't run 64-bit compiled applications in a 32-bit environment. But wise versa works just fine
[13:07] <EriksLV> :)
[13:08] <_ruben> unless the 32bit app requires some exotic 32bit libs
[13:10] <ersi> but you could have that exotic 32bit lib in a 64-bit env ;o
[13:30] <smoser> soren, yes.
[13:31] <smoser> wait.
[13:31] <smoser> no.  you cannot.
[13:31] <soren> smoser: Then how would it be an..
[13:31] <soren> ok.
[13:31] <soren> Good :)
[13:31] <smoser> (I thought you were referring to a different bug)
[13:31] <soren> I never do.
[13:32] <soren> I always refer to the bug I mean.
[13:32] <soren> Except when I don't, but that never happens.
[13:39] <smoser> i've updated the bug a bit. with hopefully some more info.
[13:40] <Ursinha> helloooo server team
[13:53] <koolhead17> hi all
[14:03] <Daviey> lynxman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/829250 :)
[14:03] <Daviey> have fun.
[14:03] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 829250 in openvswitch "datapath dkms module does't built automaticly" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:13] <lynxman> Daviey: thanks!
[14:17] <Daviey> lynxman: heh
[14:18] <Daviey> How are things looking?
[14:19] <Daviey> Everyone working on something fun?
[14:19] <EriksLV> anyone knows how to get 82579LM to work with 10.04.3
[14:19] <EriksLV> ?
[14:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> EriksLV:  wth is 82579LM?
[14:19] <EriksLV> network interface
[14:19] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah :)
[14:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  does sitting in class being bored beyond reason count?
[14:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> >.>
[14:20] <ersi_> I'm working on holding my horses before I check out of work
[14:20] <ersi_> Do I have to say; Friiiiiidaaaaay?
[14:20] <ersi_> :D
[14:20] <Daviey> TheEvilPhoenix: You could be doing ubuntu development concurrently :)
[14:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> Daviey:  could, but cant.  its chem, so i have to take notes >.>
[14:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/chem/chem 101/
[14:20] <Daviey> ah
[14:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> but yeah, i'd rather be developing stuff for ubuntu :P
[14:24] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: hey
[14:24] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: howdy
[14:26] <Daviey> smoser: Do you think there is still merit in the qemu-* still being so different from Debian?
[14:27] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: am great. tried cobbler to provision  Oneiric today, working to make sure cobbler makes some love with my preseed file. i might come with one bug soon, i need to test it few times before asking you :)
[14:27] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: hehe alrighty! I'll be here
[14:29] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: yay!! Something to do with hostname. am testing preseed few more times before troubling you :D
[14:29] <koolhead17> hey kim0
[14:30] <kim0> koolhead17: hey htere
[14:31] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: alrighty
[14:31] <koolhead17> kim0 few more days left :D
[14:31] <kim0> heh yeah
[14:32]  * koolhead17 bows to robbiew Daviey zul :D
[15:09] <EriksLV> does even "Intel Rapid Storage Technology" RAID5 work in Ubuntu?
[15:17] <pmatulis> EriksLV: dunno, provide some specs for the card maybe
[15:18] <EriksLV> nevermind, 11.04 can use it
[15:19] <EriksLV> any recommendations on partition setup? I have 2.7TB RAID
[15:19] <EriksLV>  / /home
[15:20] <EriksLV> any other?
[15:20] <cloakable> What're you using it for?
[15:20] <EriksLV> maybe /var/log on a seperate partition?
[15:20] <genii-around> Might want some separate non-raid5 for mbr
[15:20] <EriksLV> server
[15:21] <EriksLV> genii-around - separate hdd for booting?
[15:21] <genii-around> EriksLV: Possibly, yes
[15:21] <genii-around> grub and raid5 don't usually get along well
[15:21] <EriksLV> hmm
[15:22] <EriksLV> ok, I'll think about that
[15:22] <EriksLV> but how about partitions?
[15:22] <EriksLV> any recommendations about them?
[15:29] <ScottK> kim0: Did you see my mail on ubuntu-server about getting a serverguide update merged?
[15:33] <kim0> ScottK: hey .. I can't really merge things myself either
[15:33] <kim0> I didn't check the bug .. but I dont have merge access
[15:34] <ScottK> kim0: Could you ask around then.  Someone is going to have to merge this stuff from the docs team.
[15:34] <kim0> ScottK: yeah they do .. I proposed a merge earlier, and a few days later they merged it
[15:34] <ScottK> Who did the merge?  I'll ping them.
[15:35] <kim0> ScottK: #ubuntu-doc people .. they said the mailing list is best to contact them though
[15:36] <kim0> ScottK: btw you mention bug 83473 (installer bug?!)
[15:36] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 83473 in ubiquity "Installer crashed (dup-of: 76976)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83473
[15:36] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 76976 in ubiquity "[feisty] no autopartitioning options presented?" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76976
[15:36] <ScottK> It was supposed to be an LP bug.  I'll check the number.
[15:38] <kim0> ScottK: I am surprised your branch is named you/+junk/serverguide .. I thought it must be you/serverguide/branchname ?
[15:38] <kim0> otherwise stacking breaks ? but I'm no bzr expert :)
[15:38] <ScottK> That's what I picked.  Maybe that's why I couldn't merge it.
[15:38] <kim0> ScottK: yeah probably ..
[15:38] <ScottK> I'll push it again with a different name.
[15:39] <kim0> cool
[15:39] <ScottK> I usually can just push :parent since I rarely touch branches I can't push to directly.
[15:40] <kim0> ScottK: thanks for the reviews :)
[15:45] <Daviey> GrueMaster: Have you documented the results of server related testing on arm?
[15:46] <jdstrand> hallyn: I have a sneaking suspicion bug #694029 may be fixed now
[15:46] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 694029 in linux "kvm guests become unstable after a while" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/694029
[15:47] <jdstrand> hallyn: not ready to call it, but I ran my test script for 24+ hours with now guest corruption. This was after recent kernel and linux-firmware updates
[15:47] <jdstrand> s/now/no/
[16:04] <KM0201> is there a way to stream mediatomb files, from the server to other machines on the network?
[16:04] <KM0201> i've read the documentation, and it always refers to streams from other sources (like youtube, etc.)
[16:05] <cloakable> Streaming local content is the main purpose of mediatomb o.o
[16:05] <KM0201> cloakable: thats my point, i just can't figure out..
[16:05] <KM0201> i can download files just fine via the mediatomb "web page"
[16:05] <cloakable> KM0201: Been a while since I use MT
[16:06] <KM0201> but i can't stream them.
[16:06] <cloakable> Can your media renderers see the server?
[16:06] <KM0201> i dunno lemme try again
[16:07] <KM0201> i was trying to play it through a web browser, but now that i think about it, that doesn't make sense
[16:07] <cloakable> Not really
[16:07] <KM0201> what do i put for URL?.. the path to the file i want to stream?
[16:08] <cloakable> It should show up automatically via UPnP
[16:08] <cloakable> That's the point of mediatomb
[16:09] <KM0201> whats a UPnP client i can use on Ubuntu?
[16:09] <KM0201> i dont think i really understood what mediatomb was supposed to do...
[16:10] <cloakable> try the rhythmbox upnp plugin
[16:10] <cloakable> what did you think it was for?
[16:10] <KM0201> you can't watch movies w/ rhythmbox
[16:11] <cloakable> No music in it?
[16:11] <KM0201> no, not right now, just videos
[16:11] <cloakable> try djmount, it's a fuse filesystem to mount all detected upnp mediaservers into the filesystem
[16:12] <cloakable> useful for testing
[16:16] <KM0201> hmm
[16:23] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #834837 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834837
[16:28] <genii-around> Another install script not converted yet to upstart
[16:38] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: You might be hitting bug #834868.
[16:38] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 834868 in cobbler "Cobbler Ubuntu theme relies on external web resources" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834868
[16:39] <matti> Daviey: ;]
[16:39] <Daviey> hey matti
[16:43] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: i haven't experienced that
[16:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #834868 in cobbler (universe) "Cobbler Ubuntu theme relies on external web resources" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834868
[16:50] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: via ssh socks?
[16:51] <marshall> hey ubuntu server, I'm having some issues with some NFS home directories mounted with autofs. It seems that applications and scripts aren't allowed to write into my home folder, even though I'm able to write into it just fine.
[16:53] <pmatulis> marshall: why do you assume a script can write somewhere just because you can?
[16:53] <pmatulis> marshall: i.e. what user is the script running as?
[16:53] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey in any situation
[16:54] <marshall> I'm running the script. Also, vim seems unable to write to ~/.viminfo
[16:54] <pmatulis> marshall: nfsv4 prolly right?
[16:55] <marshall> another case is where I'm trying to install packages through npm (node package manager), and it reports that it doesn't have permission to add the packages to a cache inside ~/.npm
[16:55] <marshall> yeah I believe I'm using v4
[16:55] <pmatulis> marshall: well, v4 can have some acl stuff going on
[16:55] <marshall> acl?
[16:55] <marshall> what does that stand for?
[16:56] <pmatulis> marshall: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=nfsv4+acl&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[16:59] <marshall> pmatulis: ok. So v4 uses a different ACL from standard posix?
[17:00] <pmatulis> marshall: it can, yes
[17:00] <marshall> pmatulis: so I guess I want to force it to use posix acl?
[17:00] <pmatulis> marshall: first determine what's running on the server, is it really v4
[17:00] <marshall> ok
[17:01] <marshall> pmatulis: when I do nfsstat, the only category with values is v4
[17:02] <pmatulis> marshall: and the mount command should show some stuff
[17:02] <marshall> pmatulis: ok
[17:04] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: So what is the pain point you are getting with ssh socks?
[17:05] <marshall> /home/jeff on /home/jeff type nfs4 (rw,soft,port=2049,proto=tcp,sloppy,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>,clientaddr=<IP_ADDRESS>)
[17:05] <marshall> pmatulis: ^
[17:05] <pmatulis> marshall: yup, v4
[17:05] <pmatulis> marshall: do you have access to the server?
[17:06] <marshall> pmatulis: yessir
[17:06] <marshall> pmatulis: You can just call me... The Administrator
[17:07] <pmatulis> marshall: i'm not familiar with nfsv4 acl.  so you'll need to do some research
[17:07]  * marshall backflips onto a motorcycle and speeds off
[17:07] <pmatulis> wow
[17:08] <marshall> maybe I should have taken the IPs out of there...
[17:14]  * pmatulis hears goblins
[17:25] <ersi_> Yay, closed my first bug.
[17:28] <Daviey> ersi: \o/
[17:37] <GrueMaster> Daviey: Sorry for the late response, I was called out of bed and been away until now.  What kind of documentation are you looking for?  We have a wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Server.
[17:39] <zul> SpamapS: what do you think of getting a FFE for php-5.3.8?
[17:39] <SpamapS> uh
[17:39] <SpamapS> no?
[17:39] <zul> thats what i thought
[17:40] <zul> jdstrand: asked me
[17:40] <SpamapS> ah
[17:40] <SpamapS> zul: 5.3.8 has some regression in it they have to revert
[17:40] <SpamapS> something borken in is_a()
[17:40] <adam_g> kirkland: ping
[17:41]  * zul goes back to swap day
[17:41] <RoAkSoAx> zul: lol
[17:42] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #834901 in bind9 (main) "Apparmor profile blocks geoip db access" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834901
[17:42] <kirkland> adam_g: yo
[17:42] <Daviey> GrueMaster: just wanted to sniff the results of the testing..
[17:44] <adam_g> kirkland: does bug #834874 look like a reasonable request of orchestra at some point? if so, the issue of storage devices for swift would be solved
[17:44] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 834874 in orchestra "Orchestra should make storage as generic as possible" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834874
[17:49] <GrueMaster> Daviey: I need to update it with the iSCSI info and a few others.  As soon as the citiy finishes making a mess in front of my shop, I'll add that info.
[17:54] <jdstrand> SpamapS, zul: 5.3.7 had a regression I thought, and 5.3.8 was ok. I haven't looked a ton at it, but 5.3.8 has a bunch of security fixes
[17:55] <zul> php is one big regression ;)
[17:55] <SpamapS> jdstrand: they're talking about it on php-internals right now
[17:56] <SpamapS> If anything we'd want to do 5.3.9
[17:56] <jdstrand> SpamapS: I see. ok. we need to get oneiric updated and a merge seems the path of least resistance there. sounds like you are on top of it though
[17:56] <SpamapS> Maybe we can look through the changelog, but we all know what massive balls of change php patch releases are.
[17:57] <SpamapS> jdstrand: well I'd resolved to shipping w/ 5.3.6 ...
[17:57] <SpamapS> jdstrand: but if thats going to make security's life difficult..
[17:57] <SpamapS> I really do wish they'd split the security fixes into like, <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:01] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: +1!
[18:01] <SpamapS> I wonder if anybody has ever asked them to do that tho
[18:01] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: would be nice to have the regression-causing security fixes split out from the regression-causing improvements
[18:01] <jdstrand> php5 is always a pain. natty has 5.3.5, so it is at least conceivable that that it won't be hugely more difficult. but a merge would be easier. we'll defer to the server team
[18:05] <SpamapS> jdstrand: let me take a peek at the changes list in 5.3.7 and 5.3.8 .. they *have* been deferring a lot to 5.4 lately
[18:06] <jdstrand> SpamapS: thanks
[18:06] <Daviey> zul: Is there anything left to do for bug 810051?
[18:06] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 810051 in nova "Copyright/legal issues in Nova (from Debian upstream)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810051
[18:06] <zul> dont think so..
[18:07] <Daviey> zul: contrib/boto_v6 is under a MIT like license that is not mentioned in
[18:07] <Daviey> debian/copyright, nor are its copyright holders
[18:07] <Daviey> bin/nova-manage carries a BSD license which is not mentioned in
[18:07] <Daviey> debian/copyright, nor are its copyright holders
[18:07] <Daviey> Is that resolved now?
[18:09] <zul> Daviey: not yet...ill do another pass of it next week
[18:09] <SpamapS> jdstrand: so, the changes look like 99% fixes, just a few small things thrown in to the FPM and Curl extensions.
[18:15] <jdstrand> SpamapS: ah, good news :)
[18:17] <JRWR> in natty, php5-mysqli doesnt seem to exist, is this a issue on my end, or has ubuntu forgotten about it
[18:21] <patdk-wk> nope
[18:21] <patdk-wk> it's still there
[18:21] <JRWR> where? http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/php5/ shows it nowhere, and apt-get cant find it
[18:22] <patdk-wk> php5-mysql
[18:22] <JRWR> thats not mysqli (doesnt show in phpinfo();)
[18:22] <JRWR> or have they been combined
[18:22] <patdk-wk> apt-cache show php5-mysql
[18:22] <SpamapS> jdstrand: http://news.php.net/php.internals/54961 .. THIS is the regression that blocks 5.3.8 for me.
[18:23] <patdk-wk> It includes the generic "mysql" module which can be used to connect to all versions of MySQL, an improved "mysqli" module
[18:23] <patdk-wk> been that way for a long time now
[18:54] <adam_g> Daviey: cool if i grab Bug #834868 ?
[18:54] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 834868 in cobbler "Cobbler Ubuntu theme relies on external web resources" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834868
[18:55] <Daviey> adam_g: I think that is a great idea :)
[18:56] <Daviey> adam_g: Before release, i wanted to seperate upstream theme and ubuntu theme and make it an option.
[18:56] <Daviey> It shouldn't be too much work.. I really don't like forcing a theme :)
[18:59] <adam_g> Daviey: agree
[19:08] <jeeves_moss> I'm running into "/etc/freeradius/sites-enabled/default[159]: Failed to load module "sql".",  what should I be changing?
[19:10] <adam_g>  is installing a symlink from one package to a file that is installed as a dependency acceptable?
[19:11] <adam_g> Daviey: ^
[19:12] <jeeves_moss> adam_g, what files are you messing with and why does the package not see the repo installed version?
[19:16] <adam_g> jeeves_moss: installing a font via a font package (dependency) and referecing the font from a web root via symlink to /usr/share/fonts
[19:19] <Daviey> adam_g: that is the correct approach
[19:19] <Daviey> adam_g: if it was a Recommends then you'd get bad karma
[19:26] <marshall> I'm having some problems with my home directories exported with nfsv4. I'm able to read and write everything in my home folder, but it doesn't seem like applications are able to write to it. For example, vim isn't able to write to ~/.viminfo. What could be causing this problem?
[19:27] <jeeves_moss> adam_g, if it's just something dumb for web, then yes, a syslink for the foler, or just a link for the file would work.
[19:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #835009 in open-vm-tools (multiverse) "package open-vm-dkms 2011.03.28-387002-0ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: open-vm-tools kernel module failed to build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835009
[19:46] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #835012 in samba (main) "package samba-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subproces installed post-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 10 terug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835012
[19:50] <genii-around> 835012 looks like 834837
[20:00] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: you might wanna take a look at bug #834868
[20:00] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 834868 in cobbler "Cobbler Ubuntu theme relies on external web resources" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834868
[20:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #834967 in mysql-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 5.1.54-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834967
[20:03] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: thanks, commented
[20:04] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: cool thanks
[20:04] <adam_g> i think the issue is that requests to grab font from google will hang/timeout instead of falling back to local
[20:05] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #834985 in samba (main) "package samba-common-bin 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: beschadigd bestandssysteem tarbestand - beschadigd pakketarchief" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834985
[20:26] <Daviey> SpamapS: Do you want to push for collectd MIR, or should we defer it?
[20:26] <Daviey> kirkland: Ah, responded to your comment regarding cobbler font issue
[20:47] <jeeves_moss> how can I track down the source of a segmentation fault?
[20:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> jeeves_moss:  debug the code?
[20:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> unless its in a precompiled binary
[20:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> in which case you should report a bug...
[20:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> jeeves_moss:  what segv'd?
[20:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> (btw: segv is the small part of the signal SIGSEGV which a seg fault sends to the system.  can be used with `kill -SEGV` if you want to annoy someone :P)
[20:57] <jeeves_moss> it's third party software that's a mess. the dev wants EVERYTHING installed from custom compiled packages, and not from the repos
[20:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> ha
[20:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> well, not sure how to help then, except maybe recompile with `make` and keep a copy of the logs to find whether there was any error in the build
[20:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> sometimes missing stuff causes segvs
[21:01] <marshall> I've setup an ldap client and for some reason, when I create a file, the file's group shows as 0. When I do `id` it shows my correct user and group stuff. What could be causing this?
[21:02] <smoser> utlemming, just fyi, http://www.minimalinux.org/ttylinux/downloadARM.html has an arm kernel/ramdisk that "just works" on qemu-system-arm
[21:03] <smoser> get ttylinux-armv5tej-9.10.iso.gz
[21:03] <utlemming> smoser: I'll take a look at that
[21:03] <smoser> for testing we might be able to use that kernel/ramdisk as a stop gap measure
[21:03] <utlemming> or crib off it
[21:23] <Daviey> utlemming / SpamapS: Have you been able to do triage today?
[21:24] <SpamapS> Daviey: I was just sitting down to it. :)
[21:24] <Daviey> rocking! :)
[21:34] <nick__________> Hi all, I have ubuntu 9.10 server installed on a headless machine in my basement.  I received a thin client from a friend, and installed ltsp on the server.  Upon realizing that ltsp needs a desktop environment to run, I installed ubuntu-desktop on my server.  After restart, my server boots, but my samba shares aren't found, ssh is broken, however I can still ping by host name and ip address.
[21:35] <nick__________> i'm assuming that it is all broken, because the server downstairs is hung on the login page?
[21:36] <nick__________> is there a way around this? or will I have to go down to the basement and login to a user everytime I restart the server?
[21:36] <qman__> nick__________, whether or not X is working correctly would not affect sshd
[21:37] <qman__> the default login manager is gdm, and is controlled as a normal service, i.e. sudo service gdm start|stop|restart
[21:37] <qman__> what likely happened is NetworkManager got installed and broke your networking
[21:37] <qman__> just uninstall that from the system locally, check your network settings, and you should be good
[21:38] <nick__________> of course, that makes much sense
[21:41] <nick__________> before I go down and hook everything up to the server, if the hostname and ip address didn't change, what in network manager would break sshd and samaba shares?
[21:49] <JRWR> im running php-fpm in a chroot (using dchroot) and I wanted to make a app armor profile for it using aa-autodep if my path to my chroot is /var/chroot, how would i tell aa-autodep what path to use
[22:04] <nick__________> so I got a monitor hooked up to the server, and the reason my ssh and samba are broken, is because it's only booting to initramfs
[22:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> nick__________:  there's usually an error accompanying the initramfs boot
[22:30] <TheEvilPhoenix> whats the error?
[22:31] <nick__________> lemme get the exact, gotta run downstairs, but basically, mounting /sdc1 fails
[22:33] <nick__________> ok, well i just restarted from liveCD and it found errors on sda1 and want's to fix them, it also mentioned that it's trying to boot from sda1, when sdc1 is my boot drive
[22:34] <nick__________> before all this, it was booting to initramfs, if that is relevent
[22:41] <p3rsist> Anyone has found a deb package for DRBD 3.8.11 for Lucid?
[23:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> p3rsist:  "DRBD"?
[23:14] <adam_g> p3rsist: 8.3.11, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/drbd8
[23:16] <p3rsist> adam_g, Yes. But Im on lucid. How can I install a package from Oneiric Ocelot ?
[23:20] <adam_g> p3rsist: the drbd package from oneiric wont do you much good on lucid
[23:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> wth is drbd?
[23:22] <p3rsist> adam_g,  I will compile from source.
[23:22] <adam_g> TheEvilPhoenix: www.drbd.org
[23:27] <adam_g> w/whois p3rsist
[23:27] <adam_g> p3rsist: you can just apt-get install the pkgs in lucid and you'll have 8.3.11
[23:30] <adam_g> p3rsist: sorry, 8.3.7 is in lucid.
[23:31] <adam_g> p3rsist: the drbd packages for oneiric require a matching kernel, as the kernel modules for drbd now exist within the mainline kernel (as of the kernel after lucid's)
[23:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #481776 in socat (universe) "Segmentation fault of socat on 9.10 i386, installed from ubuntu repository" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481776
[23:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #745603 in socat "Please add socat-opensslcompress patch" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745603


[05:58]  * tsimonq2 is gone:
[06:29]  * PaulW2U checks prep doc, sees 11 summaries still need writing and gets ready for work feeling a little disappointed yet again
[07:02] <pleia2> I'm sorry, rough day and late night :( I'll finish in the morning here
[07:03]  * pleia2 seeks sleep
[16:24] <pleia2> morning \o/
[16:24] <pleia2> working on finishing up summaries
[16:24] <pleia2> if anyone else is around, we still need several, tsimonq2, Na3iL, jose?
[16:33] <pleia2> it's issue 450 :)
[16:41] <pleia2> bullet pointing phone news
[16:43] <tsimonq2> *yawn*
[16:43] <tsimonq2> after I fix my IRC setup, I'll hop right on that
[16:54] <PaulW2U> on the case :)
[16:55] <pleia2> I'm finishing up LoCo, so I think it's just the blogosphere articles now
[17:17] <PaulW2U> tsimonq2: don't worry almost done now
[17:18] <tsimonq2> PaulW2U: alright, and I was almost done too XD
[17:18] <PaulW2U> pleia2: I'll write the last blogosphere summary shortly and then review after 2100 UTC
[17:19] <pleia2> PaulW2U: great, thanks :)
[17:26] <PaulW2U> pleia2: all done
[17:27] <pleia2> PaulW2U: great! I'll get these copied over and will send off to editors
[17:28] <tsimonq2> yay
[17:28] <PaulW2U> you mean me? :)
[17:29] <pleia2> Jim pitches in sometimes, and it's a holiday in the US today so there's a chance he's around ;)
[17:29] <PaulW2U> I certainly hope so.
[17:30] <tsimonq2> that's why I'm not at school! :D
[17:30] <tsimonq2> so if you need any more help from me, ping
[18:35] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue450
[20:46] <Unit193> Looks fine.
[21:28] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[22:13] <jose> pleia2: sorry, was working
[22:16] <tsimonq2> pleia2: do you think it's too early to add links to the doc? Over RSS I got something by the Canonical Design Team via Planet Ubuntu.
[22:17] <PaulW2U> tsimonq2: never too early to add links - go right ahead :)
[22:18] <tsimonq2> :D


[02:42] <blr> wgrant: have you ever looked at having un-proxied objects by default in the harness?
[02:42] <blr> presumably there's something that makes that impossible or difficult
[02:50] <blr> hmm weird, have some doctests failing with proxied instance reprs instead of a diff, have you seen that before?
[03:03] <wgrant> blr: What are the failures?
[03:14] <blr> wgrant: very uninformative https://pastebin.canonical.com/132631/
[03:15] <wgrant> blr: Hum, that's certainly odd.
[03:15] <wgrant> (also, you might want to merge devel -- +all-branches no longer exists)
[03:15] <blr> probably a result of changing the menu context from a product.development_focus (branch) to a product
[03:16] <wgrant> Oh
[03:16] <wgrant> You have a print somewhere
[03:16] <blr> wgrant: hmm ok, maybe it will go away :P
[03:16] <wgrant> browser.open isn't meant to print anything.
[03:16] <wgrant> You have some leftover debugging code.
[03:16] <blr> ah
[03:16] <blr> I do to, thank you :)
[03:17] <blr> s/to/too/
[04:53] <blr> wgrant: small branch to review here: https://code.launchpad.net/~blr/launchpad/dont-fear-the-repr/+merge/261174
[04:54] <blr> also if you're able to revisit project setbranch at some point (monday is okay)
[09:26] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.qastaging.launchpad.net/germinate/+git shouldn't show lp:germinate at the bottom, should it?
[09:27] <cjwatson> It's not an "other repository".
[09:28] <wgrant> cjwatson: Probably not, but it required a GitCollection enhancement.
[09:28] <cjwatson> Or perhaps "All repositories" if it's hard to exclude that.
[09:28] <wgrant> It's hard-ish for bzr.
[09:28] <wgrant> For git we can just say "NOT target_default"
[09:29] <wgrant> Trying to avoid the hideousness that plagues +branches.
[09:29] <cjwatson> Sure
[09:30] <wgrant> Luckily we don't need a whole lot of stupid joins for git, so it's doable.
[11:36] <cjwatson> wgrant: There are still several users of DAS.supports_virtualized in the tree
[11:37] <cjwatson> wgrant: Oh, never mind, that's not the actual DB column
[11:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: Indeed, all a property now. I might go back and update them all at some point, but I don't see much need.
[11:50] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks.
[14:45] <cjwatson> wgrant: I wonder if we should have some way to get to the default repository's edit views from Project:+git, since we're generally trying to present that as a superset
[22:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: Right, I believe we want to include all of the portlets, given the approach we're taking.
[22:13] <wgrant> cjwatson: But that gets a bit weird with subscribers and two privacy portlets.
[22:13] <wgrant> So I haven't done it yet.


[00:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pfstools [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[00:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [i386] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
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[05:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: dh-python [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [5.20211213] (i386-whitelist)
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted dh-python [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [5.20211213]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [arm64] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[06:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pfstools [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [2.2.0-2]
[07:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rustc [armhf] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist)
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1]
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [i386] (jammy-proposed) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1]
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1]
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1]
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rustc [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [1.56.0+dfsg1+llvm-2ubuntu1]
[09:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-drivers-common [source] (focal-proposed) [1:0.9.0~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[15:01] <ahasenack> hi release team, I was fixing the libyang DEP8 failure via https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/libyang/+git/libyang/+merge/413052, but we already have libyang2 in the archive and uploading libyang now fails ( libyang-tools_1.0.225-1.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 1.0.225-1.1ubuntu1 <= 2.0.112-6)
[15:01] <ahasenack> shall I just hint bad-test libyang then?
[15:01] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libyang/+bug/1954594 is the dep8 bug of libyang
[15:15] <seb128> ahasenack, thaat
[15:15] <seb128> ahasenack, that sounds like a workaround, if we have a conflict we should probably update one of the package to stop building the binary
[16:06] <ahasenack> src:libyang2 produces libyang-tools which is a transitional package, that pulls in libyang2-tools
[16:07] <ahasenack> I don't know what the debian's maintainer plan was :/
[16:07] <ahasenack> maybe they thought libyang (1) would be gone after the libyang2 upload
[16:12] <ahasenack> that being said, it's in proposed, so a hint won't help now
[16:16] <seb128> ahasenack, we could easily remove the transitional build from the old source and if needed add a provide to the new binary
[16:16] <ahasenack> sounds good, I'll try that
[16:16] <ahasenack> I was hoping I didn't need to add more delta to these two, but they are stuck as is
[16:37] <ahasenack> I'm wondering if removing my upload of src:libyang to jammy-proposed and badtesting the existing src:libyang package in jammy would be enough? Because most (if not all) of the rest was already rebuilt with libyang2
[16:50] <tjaalton> any idea why mesa is still stuck in jammy-proposed? excuses output says it's trying to migrate for some time now
[16:50] <vorlon> tjaalton: if you look at update_output you'll see that migrating it would make some packages newly uninstallable
[16:50] <vorlon> (from memory; I don't have that tab in front of me right now)
[16:52] <tjaalton> ok I'm seeing something for riscv64
[16:52] <vorlon> ahasenack: done
[16:53] <vorlon> tjaalton: sometimes that's misleading, but in this case yeah it's riscv64-specific (7 newly-uninstallable binaries, all on riscv64)
[16:53] <vorlon> ahasenack: once this migrates can I remove quagga? :)
[16:54] <ahasenack> that's what brought me on top of libyang
[16:54] <ahasenack> frr (and quagga)
[16:55] <vorlon> ugh what to do with pytorch, it ftbfs in Debian for me but differently than Ubuntu
[16:56] <vorlon> oh, new libtensorpipe-dev, let's see
[16:56] <tjaalton> ok, probably caused by dropping llvm support from mesa on riscv64, since it doesn't have JIT
[17:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (impish-proposed) [20211028.00-0ubuntu1~21.10.0]
[17:11] <tjaalton> vorlon: so mesa-opencl-icd is not available on riscv64 anymore, should the migration failure be overridden or what?
[17:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (hirsute-proposed) [20211028.00-0ubuntu1~21.04.0]
[17:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (focal-proposed) [20211028.00-0ubuntu1~20.04.0]
[17:15] <vorlon> tjaalton: we don't override these, but have to work out how to fix the installability problem for the arch.  Should these binaries be built differently to not depend on mesa-opencl-icd?  Are they now all build failures and should be removed?
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gce-compute-image-packages [source] (bionic-proposed) [20211028.00-0ubuntu1~18.04.0]
[17:17] <vorlon> tjaalton: libhmsbeagle for example build-depends on ocl-icd-opencl-dev | opencl-dev so looks like it should now properly be dep-wait in the future so we should just drop those binaries (I'll do that now, then keep looking)
[17:17] <tjaalton> vorlon: ok, thanks. so far I've only looked at rdepends
[17:17] <vorlon> actually it's the build-dependency on pocl-opencl-icd | mesa-opencl-icd | opencl-icd that's operative here
[17:20] <tjaalton> mrbayes-mpi depends on libhmsbeagle1v5
[17:21] <bdmurray> mitya57: Shouldn't bug 1950193 also be fixed in Impish?
[17:22] <tjaalton> and python3-pyopencl depends on opencl-icd which mesa-opencl-icd Provides. this explains the other uninstallable python libs
[17:23] <tjaalton> I'll look into building just the icd bits on riscv64 after holidays
[17:23] <tjaalton> might be doable
[17:26] <tjaalton> looks like llvm 14 will have support for JIT on riscv64, finally
[17:29] <vorlon> tjaalton: pyopencl looks like it will need work, it build-depends on ocl-icd-opencl-dev which exists on riscv64, but then at runtime has a dep on the mesa bits (...I assume, I can't keep track of all the virtual package names).
[17:29] <vorlon> opencl-icd
[17:29] <tjaalton> ah ok
[17:30] <vorlon> actually pocl is built on riscv64 in -proposed, so if that migrated it might unblock some things?
[17:31] <vorlon> and that's blocked on llvm-toolchain-11 breaking aflplusplus, heh
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected xfwm4 [source] (focal-proposed) [4.14.5-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:31] <tjaalton> oh right, things would be fine with pocl
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected squid3 [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.5.27-1ubuntu1.13]
[17:44] <mitya57> bdmurray: I'll do it.
[17:45] <bdmurray> mitya57: Great thank! Let me know and I'll get it accepted.
[17:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-drivers-common [source] (bionic-proposed) [1:0.9.0~<IP_ADDRESS>]
[18:18] <vorlon> anyone understand why cmake in -proposed depends on dh-elpa-helper?  seems strange
[18:23] <vorlon> juliank: armhf autopkgtest units still falling over with no useful log info
[18:23] <schopin> vorlon: I checked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-elpa/+bug/1951066 but I don't see any rationale for that specific change :/
[18:25] <vorlon> schopin: seems to be a runtime dependency that results from build-depending on dh-elpa
[18:26] <vorlon> and this is because cmake-data ships an emacs extension in the package >_<
[18:38] <ahasenack> vorlon: frr migrated \o/
[19:21] <kanashiro> vorlon, now we have a src:rails which builds and generates binaries (no tests are executed), I tried to sync src:ruby-tzinfo/2.0.4-2 from Debian and it got rejected because we already have published binaries in jammy-proposed. Could you help me here?
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libfprint (impish-proposed/main) [1:1.90.7+git20210222+tod1-0ubuntu4~21.10.1 => 1:1.90.7+git20210222+tod1-0ubuntu4~21.10.2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[19:36] <vorlon> kanashiro: the command you want, fwiw, is 'copy-package -b -e 2.0.4-3 --force-same-destination -s jammy-proposed -y ruby-tzinfo' (done)
[19:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libfprint (focal-proposed/main) [1:1.90.2+tod1-0ubuntu1~20.04.5 => 1:1.90.2+tod1-0ubuntu1~20.04.6] (desktop-core, ubuntu-desktop)
[19:38] <kanashiro> vorlon, thanks (also for the tip :)
[19:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: mlpost [amd64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.9-1] (no packageset)
[20:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qtbase-opensource-src (impish-proposed/universe) [5.15.2+dfsg-12 => 5.15.2+dfsg-12ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, kubuntu, qt5)
[20:04] <mitya57> bdmurray: ^^
[20:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtbase-opensource-src [source] (impish-proposed) [5.15.2+dfsg-12ubuntu1]
[20:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtbase-opensource-src [source] (focal-proposed) [5.12.8+dfsg-0ubuntu2]
[20:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
[20:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [amd64] (jammy-proposed/none) [1.0] (no packageset)
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[20:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mlpost [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [0.9-1]
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [riscv64] (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.0] (no packageset)
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [armhf] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [riscv64] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
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[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [s390x] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon [ppc64el] (jammy-proposed) [1.0]
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iptables-persistent (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.4+nmu2ubuntu1 => 1.0.4+nmu2ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[21:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iptables-persistent (focal-proposed/universe) [1.0.14 => 1.0.14ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iptables-persistent (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1.0.15 => 1.0.15ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[21:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iptables-persistent (impish-proposed/universe) [1.0.15 => 1.0.15ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[21:55] <chiluk> tjaalton: did you see my e-mail about freeipa-server and client?  I just want to make sure it didn't fall into a filter somewhere.
[21:57] <chiluk> If you don't know of any specific concerns it looks to me like it should just be resynced with debian.  I'll attempt to do that in the next few days and try to do some testing.
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (focal-proposed/main) [2.2.46-0ubuntu1 => 2.2.46-0ubuntu1.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[21:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: walinuxagent (impish-proposed/main) [2.2.46-0ubuntu3 => 2.2.46-0ubuntu3.1] (core, ubuntu-cloud)
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gdb [source] (focal-proposed) [9.2-0ubuntu1~20.04.1]
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (focal-proposed) [2.2.46-0ubuntu1.1]
[23:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted walinuxagent [source] (impish-proposed) [2.2.46-0ubuntu3.1]
[23:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: nezha-boot0 (jammy-proposed/primary) [1.0.1+11+g70d35f2-0ubuntu1]


[00:05] <TheErk> Yo ho ho
[00:06] <canthus13> ...and a bottle of rum?
[00:06] <TheErk> Yes please.
[00:11] <canthus13> Heh.
[00:11]  * canthus13 stays away from rum..  If he screws up, he will have another one. :)
[00:40] <paultag> +1 canthus13 :)
[00:40] <paultag> that's why I'm getting drunk
[00:41] <dmcglone1> wish I could get drunk
[00:41] <paultag> my shoulders have siezed up and caused pins 'n needles on the right side of my face
[00:41] <paultag> so I need something to relax the mussles
[00:41] <paultag> mussels rather
[00:41] <dmcglone1> a hot tub
[00:41] <paultag> I wish
[00:42] <dmcglone1> I got a shower head that has 16 different settings on it, I freakin love that thing
[00:42] <paultag> aye
[00:43] <dmcglone1> I usually use the pulse spray, it relaxes my muscles using ultra hot water :-0
[00:46] <dmcglone1> paultag: I wouldn't worry, you'll do just fine. someday when your an old fart you'll look back and
[00:46] <dmcglone1> wonder why you got so stressed :-/
[00:46] <dmcglone1> I got that advise from the old fart canthus13 ;-)
[00:47] <paultag> dmcglone1: :)
[00:47] <paultag> thanks dmcglone1
[00:47] <paultag> BRB school
[00:54] <TheErk> At what age does one become an old fart?
[02:41] <dmcglone1> does anyone get choppy dvd playback with a netbook and totem?
[02:45] <dmcglone1> I've got 160 GB HD and 1 GB of memory I don't see why video would be choppy with totem, but run smooth with vlc
[02:55] <dmcglone1> Looks like I'll have to go with VLC :-(
[02:56]  * canthus13 lurves VLC.
[02:58] <dmcglone1> canthus13: lurves?
[02:59] <dmcglone1> you mean "loves"
[03:01]  * canthus13 means lurves.
[03:02] <dmcglone1> you could have just said "love" LOL
[03:02] <canthus13> but I said lurves. :/
[03:04] <dmcglone1> I like totem for the youtube plugin. I hate the thought of having to use 2 separate players for DVD and Youtube
[03:05] <dmcglone1> I spend a LOT of time listening to other guitarist
[03:13] <dmcglone1> alright well I'm out g'night all
[05:06] <jgould> I like VLC
[05:06] <Unit193> +1 VLC!
[05:06] <jgould> Also,  Something that I havent' even thought about tackling yet,  sreaming neflix on a Linux Box
[05:52] <jgould> Hmm... I just found something I can't do in Linux...  A spreadsheet with VBA MAcros...
[05:57]  * jgould sighs
[06:02] <jgould> XFCE won't do two monitors?
[06:08] <Unit193> jgould: What card?
[06:09] <jgould> Intel i915
[06:09] <Unit193> man intel <-- may tell you something
[06:09] <jgould> I can mirror, but I can't run two displays
[06:16] <jgould> Ok,  We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
[06:18] <Unit193> Canonical?
[06:19] <jgould> Sure
[06:20] <jgould> Hmm...  It's telling me that the device section needs an "Identifier"?
[06:28] <jgould> Hmmm... Taht didn't work
[06:29] <Unit193> I have never done dual monitors (Maybe Cheri703 can help once she's back on)
[06:30] <Unit193> Synergy is as close as I get...
[06:32] <jgould> Had to tell XFCE what to do with it...
[06:43] <jgould> Hmm...  Now GDM is showing up on 'Screen 1'  There shoudl be a way to fix this
[08:36] <jgould> Man...  (UDS thing tomorrow I kinda want to see/hear/read)
[09:01] <jgould> I should head to bed
[09:16]  * Cheri703 woke up halfway through the first session -_-
[09:17] <jgould> Not good
[09:18] <Cheri703> yeah
[09:18] <Cheri703> I'm down here now
[09:18] <jgould> I'm heading to bed.  It's 4 am back home
[09:20] <Cheri703> yeah
[09:22] <Cheri703> the time difference is weird
[15:17] <Unit193> Cheri703: Are you with the crazy guys with the text-to-speach?
[15:18] <Cheri703> yeah
[15:20] <Cheri703> the super fast one was actually how this one blind guy listens to it
[15:21] <thafreak> Holy crap, this one old server here...I just realized it has a second disk
[15:21] <thafreak> mounted it to see what was on it...
[15:21] <thafreak> there's a dir named tomcat4
[15:22] <Unit193> Cheri703: Wow... I'm "going" to the next one and I "went" to the last one....
[15:22] <thafreak> ugh, just makes me want to nuke this machine even more now
[15:22] <Cheri703> that's cool :) good for you attending remotely Unit193 !
[15:22] <Unit193> ...at 9am....
[15:22] <Unit193> thafreak: I take it you can't?
[15:23] <thafreak> I could if I moved all the services off of it to other machines...which is something I've been planning on for the last 2 years :)
[15:24] <Unit193> Is it really a server computer? or one you use for it?
[15:24] <thafreak> ha, no it's a crusty old dell 2U rackmount server...
[15:25] <thafreak> the hardware isn't bad really...
[15:25] <thafreak> but some one lost the rackmount rails for it...so it's kind of balancing on top of a UPS, which I'm not a fan of
[15:26] <thafreak> I'm probably going to virtualize it first...so I can atleast turn off the old hardware...then migrate everything off of it
[15:31] <thafreak> paultag: you around?
[15:31] <thafreak> I'm trying to come up with a way to establish trust between two parties...preferably without meeting face to face...
[15:32] <thafreak> Also, anyone know if anyone has combined the web of trust, and social networking?
[15:32] <thafreak> They seem like they should go hand in hand...
[15:53] <Unit193> BiosElement: Finally got a warning from LastPass
[16:11] <canthus13> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Microsofts-85-billion-Skype-apf-3392466511.html?x=0
[16:11] <canthus13> The end of Skype for linux.
[16:12] <Unit193> Ya think so?
[16:14] <canthus13> Can *you* see MS keeping a linux version of anything other than linux > windows migration tools?
[16:14] <canthus13> more likely, they'll immediately remove the linux version from the site and lock out all the linux clients.
[16:17] <Unit193> I *really* can't see them keeping it!
[16:30] <_bbb> embrace extend extinguish
[16:36] <thafreak> even if they do keep it...they'll probably use it to spy on linux users
[16:36] <thafreak> maybe propigate a virus, ala osx....
[16:37] <thafreak> "Oh look, linux isn't secure now" - Micro$soft
[16:37] <Unit193> conflicts with kernel-generic
[16:58] <Cheri703> canthus13: the thought I saw was that they may just leave it since it encourages more paid skype users...people on windows who want to talk to linux folks
[17:00] <canthus13> Cheri703: Maybe... but I think MS hates linux more than it likes moeny..
[17:01] <Unit193> You think anyone will reverse code it?
[17:03] <canthus13> Unit193: DOubt it... They've been trying since skype came out and haven't managed yet.
[17:15] <canthus13> ALthough, the DMCA does allow for reverse engineering for the purpose of interoperability.... so once there's no linux client, someone may be motivated to do it.
[17:45] <thafreak> sudo aptitude purge skype
[18:14] <Derath-Srvr> hi all
[18:15] <Unit193> Howdy Derath-Srvr
[18:37] <Derath-Srvr> T minus one month: apt-get remove skype
[18:37] <Unit193> WINE?
[18:38] <Derath-Srvr> I don't think I'd even do that...
[18:58] <Derath-Srvr> wb
[18:58] <Cheri703> thanks, just back to my room to figure out a taxi or public transit for a thing we're doing tonight :)
[19:11] <jgould> My brain hurts
[19:37] <TheErk> Greetings Programs.
[19:38] <Unit193> !hi | TheErk ;P
[19:39] <jgould> Oh, don't say hi to me... Heh
[19:40] <Unit193> I won't! Howdy jgould ;)
[19:40] <jgould> Heh.  How goes it today?
[19:41] <Unit193> Lubuntu will be part of the Ubuntu "family" for 11.10
[19:41] <jgould> What is Lubuntu?
[19:42] <jgould> Isn't the window manager in that even lighter than XFCE?
[19:44] <Unit193> LXDE is lighter than XFCE (Or Lubuntu is more so than Xubuntu)
[19:45] <jgould> Hmm...  I wonder what it looks like
[19:45] <Unit193> Just a sec
[19:45] <Unit193> http://unit193.imgur.com/screenie
[19:46] <jgould> Is it the 7th screen shot
[19:47] <TheErk> What are the major differences in LXDE and XFCE?
[19:47]  * jgould wonders this as well
[19:48] <jgould> lxde's website seems to be broked
[19:49] <Unit193> It is (server change IIRC)
[19:49] <jgould> Does LXDE have a right click applications menu?
[19:49] <Unit193> It's the 7th...
[19:50] <jgould> I saw the lubuntu disk mounted when I enlarged it
[19:50] <Unit193> Running programs or "start" menu
[19:51] <Unit193> +?
[19:51] <jgould> a 'start' menu, like XFCE does
[19:53] <Unit193> It does support it, but it's not configured
[19:54] <Unit193> I take it you like and use this?
[19:54] <TheErk> I myself am the rare dreaded and hated Unity fan... ooogah boogah.
[19:55]  * Unit193 sets mode +b TheErk
[19:55] <Unit193> :D
[19:55] <TheErk> Heeey
[19:55] <Derath-Srvr> Hey Erk
[19:59] <jgould> Yes, I do like that, and use it
[20:02] <jgould> I may just install LXDE on my current install and play with it to see if I like it...
[20:02] <jgould> I love the SSO
[20:05] <jgould> Wow.  I'm forgetting how to do things in the Mac OS
[20:06] <TheErk> SSO?
[20:07] <jgould> Single Sign on
[20:08] <Unit193> With what? (I know SSO because of ldap/ActDir)
[20:09] <jgould> All of the services that Ubuntu offers (Namely the forurms... I just use my Launchpad SSO and I'm in...)
[20:52] <canthus13> finally got metasploit installed.. Now to see what kind of damage I can do to my practice server. :)
[20:52] <Unit193> SWEET! DVL?
[21:06] <Unit193> Now might be a good time to get a hostmask ;)
[21:22] <canthus13> Unit193: Yep.
[21:22]  * canthus13 has dvl running on a vm.
[21:41] <jgould> wow... I like LXDE
[21:44] <TheErk> Ubuntu One is angering me
[21:44] <jgould> Why?
[21:46] <TheErk> Reinstalled my OS, now the syncs are all goofy
[21:49] <jgould> I've had that happen before...  I'm currently trying to figure out how to get folders to sync from within Lubuntu
[21:50] <jgould> In some ways I miss the way the Mac OS Works, but in general, I'm very satisfied with Linux now
[21:51] <TheErk> brb i think i hosed soemthing
[21:52] <jgould> I've done that too...
[21:54] <Unit193> Quick get the fire... wait... I guess you don't reverse the saying... :D
[21:55] <jgould> what saying?
[21:56]  * jgould files himself under confused
[21:57] <TheErk> Smarter than the average bear.
[21:57] <jgould> You get it, TheErk
[21:58] <TheErk> Yes, you have to set up the sync from the Ubuntu One software..
[21:58] <TheErk> If you try to do it from the file manager it gets wonky
[21:59] <Unit193> I still need to figure out dropbox in L/XUbuntu...
[21:59] <Unit193> jgould: Still like LXDE?
[22:00] <jgould> yes, I do. does the CD have a live boot so I can see it without all of the stuff from the other two window managers installed?
[22:04] <Unit193> It's a LiveCD
[22:06] <jgould> ok.  I simpy installed lubunut desktop on the existing install
[22:07] <Unit193> 11.04?   Must be an xorg setting I can change...
[22:49] <canthus13> Unit193: Lubuntu has a -offtopic too? Heh.
[22:49] <thafreak> canthus13: you ever use powerdns?
[22:53] <Unit193> canthus13: Double useage as it's almost -devel too! (And used WAY more ehan xubuntu-offtopic
[23:44] <canthus13> ocrap! packtrack 5 is out... how'd I miss that?
[23:44] <canthus13> ...Backtrack.
[23:45] <canthus13> thafreak: Never heard of it.


[10:52] <Andy80> hi all
[10:55] <Andy80> I've reported this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/986445 but even if it contains lot of informations of my system, I don't think it contains the causes of my crash. In few words: after the upgrade to 12.04, often my Xorg crashes (expecially when I'm watching youtube videos) and I'm taken back to the login window. Since I'm not getting any errors on the screen, how can I understand what is crashing exac
[10:55] <Andy80> tly? Is there any log file I can give a look at to understand what crashed exactly? Thanks.
[10:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986445 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "nvidia-common makes my Xorg to crash sometimes" [Undecided,New]
[11:41] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #898701 to Low (as a problem with the sorting order does not too severe) and the status to triaged?
[11:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 898701 in ktorrent "Wrong ordering for fields" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898701
[11:43] <jtaylor> veger: done, thanks
[11:47] <veger> jtaylor: thank you
[13:44] <Andy80> I crashed again -.-
[16:18] <blueyed> I could use some help with bug 986609, which I've just filed myself.
[16:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 986609 in unity "Using x-terminal-emulator to open a terminal via Ctrl-Alt-T opens "Root Terminal" (with normal login)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986609
[16:23] <penguin42> blueyed: Does that happen if you haven't su'd or anything?
[16:24] <blueyed> Well, I will have used "sudo" in the session somewhere, but I call Ctrl-Alt-T from the global/unity context.
[16:25] <blueyed> Do you think it just skiped the gksu question?
[16:25] <blueyed> Then I should be really "root", too.
[16:26]  * penguin42 doesn't know terminator so can't really say - but if it's not supposed to be root, and it's not getting root - then the problem is just the title/icon /
[16:28] <blueyed> yes, it appears to be just the title/icon.
[16:29] <blueyed> This is not the case when running terminator manually though.


[23:57] <SammySez> I am using 10.04.3 64-bit with Gnome. Anyone here have any opinions on Unity in the more recent versions?