[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: (Dialog frontend will not work on a dumb terminal, an emacs shell buffer, or without a controlling terminal.)
[01:13] <DanaG> debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
[03:10] <DanaG> WTF? Amarok just slaughtered my keyboard.
[03:10] <DanaG> Or rather, grabbed it, locked up, and refused to let go.
[03:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/86031
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:18] <DanaG> aah, I should verify that.
[03:18] <DanaG> Argh, something is slaughtering my CPU again.
[03:19] <DanaG> Oh yay, somehow Amarok or Pulseaudio is killing Beryl.
[03:27] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=371674
[03:29] <DanaG> time --help
[03:29] <DanaG> Usage: command-not-found [options]  <command-name>
[03:29] <DanaG> bash: --help: command not found
[03:31] <DanaG> Is it normal for gnome-system-monitor to take 10% CPU?
[03:32] <DanaG> And Beryl, 19% -- that's definitely not normal.
[03:33] <DanaG> Oh, I see, for some reason, apparently my GPU is in 2D mode.
[03:33] <DanaG> Now gnome-system-monitor is using 40%!
[03:47] <DanaG> X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)
[03:52] <DanaG> Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -15 and height 24
[03:52] <DanaG> But it doesn't say WHAT widget!
[04:20] <pwnguin> is there a way to get update-manager to upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[04:20] <pwnguin> or should i just edit sources.list and give apt-get/aptitude a whirl?
[04:27] <DanaG> update-manager -c -d
[04:27] <DanaG> consider dist upgrade, and use development version, respectively/
[04:34] <pwnguin> seems at the moment it's broken
[04:42] <pwnguin> or at least, dbus was =/
[06:47] <DanaG> hmm, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html
[07:26] <DanaG> I installed the newest NVIDIA driver, but I haven't noticed any great changes.
[07:26] <DanaG> Hmm, looks like I need to test hotkey switching...
[07:27] <DanaG> Woaah, it looks like it may work!
[07:27] <DanaG> Just not with clone, perhaps.
[08:10] <DanaG> http://www.codecomments.com/archive286-2005-3-412358.html
[08:10] <DanaG> tcsetpgrp seems to give me nothing but ENOTTY.
[08:44] <DanaG> Odd, sometimes on Ubuntu, my system wouldn't make things segfault, and then I'd move them to a Solaris box and they _would_ segfault.
[08:45] <DanaG> Of course, once it segfaulted, I found my errors in my code, but why did it NOT fail on my Linux system?
[08:46] <crimsun> that's much too vague of a question to even begin to answer.
[08:49] <DanaG> My question is why faulty code (such as reaching beyond the end of an array) would work on my local system but not on the Solaris system.  The other system is a many-user system with a huge amount of RAM, so that's one factor -- more "detritus" in memory.
[08:53] <DanaG> Now I just use gnome-vfs to edit locally and compile and run remotely.
[08:54] <DanaG> ...and live with 'pgup' and 'pgdn' (and arrows) in 'less' and 'man' just beeping ineffectually over SSH.
[09:21] <DanaG> And the equivalent kioslaves, and whatever the future plans for convergence, if any, are.
[12:21] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:29] <coNP> can someone confirm if gnome-art is running on up-to-date gutsy?
[02:28] <hwilde> anybody else have software crash at 7:35am sunday morning only?
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> wtf!
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> every sunday morning @ 7:35?
[02:29] <johnnybuoy> hwilde?
[02:30] <borschty> maybe a cronjob running wild
[02:30] <hwilde> yeah every sunday 7:35
[02:30] <johnnybuoy> yeah, it would be very strange otherwise
[02:30] <hwilde> coincides with cron.daily execuation in /var/log/syslog
[02:30] <hwilde> but why only on sunday if it is daily
[02:30] <borschty> maybe weekly
[02:30] <johnnybuoy> some script has something sor sunday
[02:30] <johnnybuoy> for*
[02:31] <hwilde> commented out cron.weekly in /etc/crontab so it doesn't run anymore
[02:31] <hwilde> if this is the entry in /etc/crontab:
[02:31] <hwilde> 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[02:32] <hwilde> why does it launch anacron at 7:30 and cron.daily at 7:35?
[02:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:30:02 localhost anacron[15610] : Will run job `cron.daily' in 5 min.
[02:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:35:01 localhost anacron[15610] : Job `cron.daily' started
[02:32] <hwilde> shouldn't it run at 6:25 like /etc/crontab specifies?
[02:32] <borschty> maybe utc?
[02:33] <hwilde> yeah maybe... but utc says it's like 12:30
[02:34] <hwilde> but still... let's say it is related to cron.daily execution.  why would it only happen on sundays and not every day
[02:34] <hwilde> what is different about cron.daily on sunday
[02:35] <borschty> you could check the scripts if one of them does something specific on sundays
[02:35] <hwilde> they seem generic to me.  nothing about times or dates.  it looks like thye should do the same thing everyday
[02:35] <borschty> or maybe some stuff installed as user some time ago you already forgot about?
[02:36] <johnnybuoy> grep -i sun* /etc/cron.daily doesn't give any relevant results
[02:36] <johnnybuoy> tho it might be imported from somewhere else..
[02:36] <hwilde> there is nothing installed by phantom users... same image across multiple machines does the same thing
[02:38] <hwilde> why does the end of /var/log/syslog.0  say  Jun 10 07:35:11 localhost exiting on signal 15
[02:38] <hwilde> then the logs are rotated
[02:38] <johnnybuoy> maybe reboot?
[02:38] <hwilde> but this happens everyday as far as I can tell
[02:39] <hwilde> nope the systems stay up and online - software just crashes
[02:39] <hwilde> uptime 25 days
[02:40] <johnnybuoy> ah
[02:41] <borschty> which software crashes?
[02:41] <hwilde> tclsh
[02:42] <borschty> just that?
[02:42] <hwilde> well, multiple tclsh's
[02:42] <borschty> what are you using them for?
[02:43] <hwilde> one is playing sounds, one is taking snapshots from a webcam, one is doing file i/o... lots of stuff
[02:44] <hwilde> some of the machines survive, but ~40% crash
[02:44] <borschty> maybe some ntp time adjustments that tcl has problems with? (wild guessing)
[02:45] <hwilde> I uninstalled ntp services :)
[02:45] <hwilde> that one produces an error message about the wait timeouts that is very understandable
[02:45] <hwilde> this sunday morning thing creates no log messages - everything just stops
[02:46] <hwilde> not even a core file and I have ulimit unlimited
[02:47] <borschty> maybe it is some religious do-not-work-on-sunday-stuff ;)
[02:47] <hwilde> lol
[02:47] <hwilde> that is why i dubbed it project church
[02:47] <hwilde> god is smiting the software - it should repent
[02:49] <borschty> and error codes represent the number of rosaries ;)
[02:50] <coNP> can someone confirm if gnome-art (universe) is running properly?
[02:53] <hwilde> is there some global system logging level that I can turn up to see what is happening
[02:55] <borschty> maybe you could strace tclsh, but if this going to run for a week you will need a lot of space
[03:30] <hwilde> borschty, I can replicate on demand by setting system clock to next sunday 7:29am and waiting 5 minutes.
[03:30] <hwilde> so strace wouldn't grow too big
[03:32] <hwilde> what is exiting with signal 15 tho in /var/log/syslog.0
[03:32] <hwilde> Jun 10 07:35:12 localhost exiting on signal 15
[05:49] <Brakkvatn> Is it worth upgrading to gutsy if I need just one of the libraries in there? guichan v6.0 instead of v4.0
[05:50] <qid> I just upgraded to 7.10 and I'm getting the error message "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[05:50] <qid> I looked into that a bit and every thread on it says to check inittab
[05:50] <qid> so I booted into a livecd, and inittab is missing
[05:51] <Brakkvatn> Okay I think I'll pass. Thanks :P
[05:51] <qid> Is there somewhere I can get a copy of inittab that should work with ubuntu?
[05:54] <gnomefreak> qid: your not missing init* its there you need to file a bug but first i would check md5sum of the downloaded ISO and burn slowest speed possible
[05:54] <qid> I didn't download an ISO, I used the updater
[05:55] <qid> And it's not there. I checked.
[05:55] <gnomefreak> qid: than you are not missing it
[05:55] <qid> I booted into a livecd, mounted the root partition, /etc/inittab does not exist
[05:55] <qid> well, /mnt/etc/inittab from the livecd
[05:56] <gnomefreak> qid: its part of initscripts
[05:56] <gnomefreak> if there in feisty its there in gutsy
[05:57] <qid> look, I'm telling you what happened
[05:57] <qid> I don't know how it happened, or why; the install seemed to go smoothly
[05:57] <gnomefreak> qid: and its messed up but it is there. take my word for it or do a search on the main package not a single script
[05:57] <qid> IT. IS. NOT. THERE.
[05:58] <gnomefreak> qid: ok sure its not there. run sudo update-initramfs -u once you get to boot in safe mode thean tell me if its not htere
[05:58] <qid> I can take pictures of the directory listing with a digital camera and show them to you
[05:59] <gnomefreak> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/inittab_disablectrlaltdelconsole
[05:59] <gnomefreak> /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[05:59] <gnomefreak> search those
[05:59] <gnomefreak> second one most likely
[05:59] <gnomefreak> qid: since its part of upstart did you look in upstart dir?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> notice the exact name
[06:00] <qid> it's booting into recovery mode now, just a second
[06:00] <gnomefreak> once again its there its just messed up file a bug report
[06:00] <gnomefreak> qid: not the first time this has happened
[06:00] <gnomefreak> hint locate inittab
[06:01] <qid> I couldn't run locate from a livecd
[06:01] <gnomefreak> qid: you didnt mount properly than or you didnt chroot into your install
[06:01] <gnomefreak> locate cant run on livecd since nothing goes to hdd
[06:02] <qid> exactly
[06:02] <gnomefreak> unless you tell it where to look
[06:02] <qid> I'm still waiting for it to boot into recovery mode, it's stopped at [    3.928000]  Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[06:03] <qid> it seems to have locked up
[06:03] <gnomefreak> qid: upstart holds inittab and upstart has not been upgraded on gutsy yet so it shouldnt have changed it at all
[06:04] <qid> ah, it just finished
[06:04] <qid> hold on a minute
[06:06] <gnomefreak> filing a bug report is your best way of it getting fixed (more than likely upgrade failed on a package or2 and caused that problem. make sure no errors are in /var/log/dist-upgrade (there are 3 files in there normally and they should hold errors if any) if you used update-manager to do it try with apt-get dist-upgrade)
[06:07] <qid> http://code.bulix.org/t24x9j-44877
[06:07] <qid> that's what I see
[06:07] <qid> I can't cd to /var/log
[06:07] <qid> or /usr/share
[06:08] <qid> or /usr/lib/upstart
[06:09] <gnomefreak> more than likely upgrader didnt run update-initramfs -u properly that would be easiest to fix it could be a bad kernel module or kernel upgrade that can cuase that. file a bug or ping the upstart maintainer i cant think of who it is off hand
[06:10] <gnomefreak> oh wait this may have already been filed
[06:10] <gnomefreak> i heard about this the other day someone said UID isnt generating the UUID'd properly
[06:11] <gnomefreak> look for a bug see the progress on it
[06:11] <gnomefreak> reading the error tells you what happened ;)
[06:15] <qid> how do I determine which UUID is my hard drive?
[06:16] <DanaG> Argh, kernel panic -- can't sync to root (even if I use the /dev/sda6 instead of UUID=)
[06:16] <qid> oh, they're just symlinks
[06:16] <qid> why the heck does it use UUID if they're just symlinks to /dev/sd* anyway
[06:16] <DanaG> ...and I can't find -headers for .22-5-generic.
[06:19] <DanaG> Oh, and the "Here are the available partitions" thing doesn't work.
[06:23] <qid> ok... the UUID mentioned in the error message wasn't listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid and also was not mentioned in /etc/fstab
[06:29] <DanaG> Odd, it's saying "Unable to mount root VFS", or something like that.
[06:30] <DanaG> It also says /dev/sda6 is "unknown-block(0,0)".
[06:30] <DanaG> And I can't find headers for 2.6.22-5-generic, so I can't run X (newer nvidia driver) under that kernel.
[06:30] <qid> Ok, I edited menu.lst and changed all references to UUID=... to just /dev/sda1
[06:30] <qid> boots normally
[06:31] <qid> I have no idea who came up with this new UUID system, but I suggest they be flogged
[06:32] <DanaG> Does anybody know where I can find the old restricted-modules and headers?
[06:33] <DanaG> .22-6 USED TO work, as of yesterday, but today it won't boot.
[06:35] <DanaG> I wonder what changed.
[06:37] <DanaG> I think it's bad that they get rid of headers and restricted-modules for even 1-version-old kernels
[06:37] <DanaG> .
[06:37] <DanaG> ....because now I can't use X, and if I didn't have a wired connection, I wouldn't be able to get on the internet.
[06:42] <DanaG> argh, links2 needs a "go up" shortcut.
[06:43] <DanaG> I found something with the .desc file for the older version, but I can't go UP a level.
[06:45] <DanaG> aah, I got it.... go to "related" in Google so you can acutally SEE the url.
[06:46] <DanaG> The mirror I found: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[06:48] <DanaG> Aah, cool: links2 supports gpm.
[06:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one of these days, I need to file a bug report about nvclock:
[06:49] <DanaG> On my laptop video card, hitting "default" does NOT set the default clocks.
[06:49] <DanaG> Idle is 100/100, middle is 200/300, 3D is 450/500, but nvclock thinks idle is 100/600.
[06:50] <DanaG> ....and if you hit default, it sets that.
[06:51] <DanaG> And of course, it doesn't work.  My screen goes all corrupted.
[06:54] <DanaG> !nvclock -T
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvclock -t - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <DanaG> nVidia Geforce Go 7600
[06:55] <DanaG> => GPU temperature: -92C
[06:55] <DanaG> Hah, I highly doubt that one.
[06:56] <DanaG> Well, at least now I can start Xorg.
[06:57] <DanaG> Bookmark that site!
[06:58] <DanaG> mirror for old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[06:58] <rbrunhuber> Where should i report bugs in tribe 1?
[07:03] <DanaG> Argh, that exit message left droppings (invalid-character boxes) on my screen.
[07:03] <DanaG> 0x000F
[07:49] <asubedi> compiz seems to have hosed on me currently in gutsy. is anyone else experiencing the same
[07:53] <winbond>  i like noodles
[07:57] <magic_ninja> is there a utility to convert the hex in wine debugging output to readable text
[08:13] <DanaG> Hmm, new NVIDIA driver does hotkey display switching, for me.
[08:13] <DanaG> However, it's A or B, not A, A+B, B.
[08:13] <DanaG> So I have either TV or DFP, but not TV-clones-DFP.
[08:28] <roger> how do I update my existing Feisty install to Gutsy Tribe 1 once I have downloaded & burnt the ISO?
[08:44] <roger> anybody?
[08:47] <coNP> roger: I guess you can just put it to the cd drive
[08:47] <coNP> however, it is not really recommended
[09:07] <DanaG> argh, the trackballs game thoroughly eats and heats my CPU.
[09:07] <DanaG> Oh, and when time's up, the player freezes -- even after a reset.
[09:07] <DanaG> The timer doesn't reset; it goes negative.
[09:27] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps EVERY SDL game does that./
[09:32] <DanaG> hmm, http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org seems to be down.
[09:32] <DanaG> Oh wait, it finally loaded.
[10:28] <lazka> ati radeon 9600XT/OS-driver... I can't watch videos since about 1 or 2 days (just a blue/black screen) am I the only one??
[10:58] <sohail> hey guys
[11:02] <phixnay> hey I have a separate boot partition now, so now can I install gusty on another partition without messing up my current setup?
[11:17] <Steil> what packages are required for ssl support for pidgin (to use msn)
[11:23] <homerhomer> how is the virtual support for gusty doing? I noticed that Fedora make VM really easy.
[11:26] <DanaG> Argh.  My volume keeps resetting to high.
[11:26] <DanaG> When I restart, I mean.
[11:27] <DanaG> And yes, I mean, to a high volume, not "too high" (I'm picky about even my own grammar.).
[11:47] <phixnay> is it safe to dual boot feisty and gutsy
[11:48] <phixnay> oh, and windows
[11:49] <crimsun> to triple-boot?  Well, sure.  Not sure I'd recommend gutsy, but that's your call.
[11:51] <DanaG> crimsun: this morning, somehow the 2.6.22-6-generic kernel won't boot anymore.  It panics -- unable to sync VFS / unable to mount root partition.
[11:51] <DanaG> The odd thing is that the "Here are the available partitions" thingy lists nothing.
[11:52] <DanaG> I had to go back to -5, and find a mirror that had old -restricted-modules and -headers.
[11:52] <crimsun> DanaG: a bit skimpy on details regarding -6.13.
[11:52] <DanaG> I don't remember which version the last part was.... let me check.
[11:53] <DanaG> aah, yes, it is -13, but I don't remember if I actually did any updates to kernel recently.
[11:54] <pwnguin> not sure how to make sure grub is consistant
[11:54] <DanaG> Set /boot to be separate.
[11:55] <DanaG> s/set/partition/
[11:55] <crimsun> DanaG: are you using MD root?
[11:55] <DanaG> Nope.
[11:55] <DanaG> It's a simple logical partition (within extended).
[11:55] <crimsun> DanaG: sounds like some update that invoked update-initramfs resulted in a bad initramfs
[11:56] <DanaG> I'll check that next time I reboot.
[11:56] <DanaG> Here's where I found old versions: ftp://ftp.cica.es/guadalinex/repositorio/guadalinex-toro/
[11:56] <crimsun> launchpad hosts all old versions
[11:56] <crimsun> back to pre-edgy
[11:57] <cowbud> where can I look at the tasks that are high priority for gutsy?
[12:11] <phixnay> crimsun: pwnguin: I have /boot on its own partition and I want to install gutsy on it's own partition while keeping the grub I already have. That way if gutsy doesn't work right, I can just remove it and boot right back into feisty. I'm just completely clueless on how to do that.
[12:12] <crimsun> cowbud: see blueprints.
[12:13] <cowbud> crimsun: found it thanks..
[12:13] <crimsun> phixnay: just install gutsy to its own partition, then forego installing grub/lilo.  Switch to another tty, chroot into the feisty install, edit /boot/grub/menu.list, and run update-grub.
[12:14] <phixnay> crimsun: installing a bootloader is something in the install gui that I can uncheck? if so, I think I see where you're getting at
[12:15] <cowbud> hrmm I thought pulseaudio was up for gutsy..
[12:15] <crimsun> "up for gutsy"?
[12:15] <cowbud> uh yah to be included in it..
[12:15] <crimsun> it already is included.  Edubuntu shipped with it enabled by default in feisty.
[12:16] <cowbud> yah well I meant by default in gutsy ubuntu
[12:16] <crimsun> no, that's upstream.
[12:16] <crimsun> meaning gnome needs to get their act together.
[12:16] <cowbud> ahh
[12:18] <phixnay> crimsun: apart from that, I'm not sure exactly what to add to menu.lst. the title and root parts are easy, but I'm not sure how to find what to put for kernel and initrd
[12:21] <crimsun> phixnay: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-6-generic for the kernel; /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-6-generic for the initrd
[12:21] <phixnay> alright
[12:22] <phixnay> now all that's left to do is man chroot


[00:41] <Angelus> hi
[00:41] <Angelus> i made an apt-get source linux-source, and it gave me an empty linux-meta folder with a debian folder
[00:41] <Angelus> is this right?:S
[00:42] <Keybuk> Angelus: technically, yes ;)
[00:42] <Keybuk> since linux-source is an empty package that depends on the version of linux-source you want
[00:42] <Keybuk> (try apt-get source linux-source-2.6.22 :p)
[00:42] <Angelus> ahhh
[00:42] <Angelus> ok
[00:43] <Angelus> cause the guide on the wiki only says to do "apt-get source linux-source"
[00:43] <Angelus> hehe
[00:45] <Angelus> ok Keybuk it worked, thanks alot
[00:55] <Angelus> is it posible to run make menuconfig to edit one of the configs in /debian/config ?
[01:00] <zul> AngelusL: you would have to do something like cat one of the configs.* to config
[01:04] <Angelus> zul:  would doing "make menuconfig" in the kernel source tree, and saving to the .config , then copy it to /debian/config/amd64/config  do the trick ?
[01:17] <zul> Angelus: I would cp debian/config/amd64/config to your kernel source and then cat debian/config/amd64/config.generic to .config and then make menuconfig but its all in the wiki
[01:18] <Angelus> zul: the wiki only tells you to edit debian/config/amd64/config or the other flavours
[01:18] <Angelus> it doesnt state anything about menuconfig :p
[01:18] <zul> cat debian/config/am64/config > .config
[01:18] <zul> cat debian/config/amd64/config.generic >> .config
[01:19] <zul> copy to your kernel source and then do make menuconfig
[01:25] <Angelus> zul: im having this error when i update the configs with debian/rules
[01:25] <Angelus> debian/scripts/misc/oldconfig: line 66: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/scripts/misc/splitconfig.pl: Permission denied
[01:25] <zul> dont run the script just do what I said and then run make menuconfig
[01:26] <zul> im off to bed
[01:26] <Angelus> yes i know zul , but the guide says that after make menuconfig/ or editing the config you must update the configs with that script
[03:52] <thully> Hi - i'm trying to rebuild git snapshots of my kernel to test for a but and after one successful build, I'm now getting the following error...
[03:53] <thully> /usr/bin/fakeroot: 166: debian/rules: not found
[03:53] <thully> how do I get the debian/rules file to exist again?  I'm assuming the previous build destroyed it
[08:46] <chellwig> how do people write device drivers in c
[11:53] <dconway> hi
[11:53] <dconway> which ubuntu kernel supports webcam support
[11:53] <dconway> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 05ca:1837 Ricoh Co., Ltd
[11:53] <dconway> no driver support for it yet?
[11:55] <dconway> any hints appreciated
[11:55] <dconway> does a diff version of the kernel matter?
[11:56] <dconway> anyone awake
[13:35] <Angelus> guys
[13:35] <Angelus> i compiled a custom kernel
[13:36] <Angelus> it created me a bunch of .deb files
[13:36] <Angelus> like sata-modules , pata-modules, 4 kenrel images, 4kernel headers
[13:36] <Angelus> do i need to install everything?
[13:38] <Angelus> iv got all these http://rafb.net/p/t0EQfD51.html
[13:39] <abogani> Angelus: udeb files are for installer only. You can ignore these.
[13:40] <Angelus> abogani: and the modules files? the ones like sata-modules? they're installer files?
[13:41] <abogani> Angelus: AFAIK Yes. All files with udeb extension working in Debian Installer only (aka alternate CD in Ubuntu slang).
[13:42] <Angelus> ahh
[13:42] <Angelus> ok
[13:42] <Angelus> thankz mate
[13:42] <Angelus> ok last question, for compiling the restricted modules, do i need to install every header package ? like generic, server, rt  and the rest?
[13:46] <abogani> I don't know, sorry.
[18:03] <zul> lamont: I like your dog grooming story
[18:05] <lamont> zul: THANKS
[18:05] <lamont> who hit that caps lock key
[21:52] <Angelus> hello
[21:52] <Angelus> i compiled the kernel sucesffuly using debian/rules, everything worked fine including restricted drivers, BUT adept is telling me to update from 2.6.22 to 2.6.22 i can't understand why. its the same version as the ubuntu's official version even the ABI number
[22:40] <Angelus> please somebody answer me i really need to fix this anoying issue :(
[22:50] <Nafallo> Angelus: it works as it is supposed to then...
[22:50] <Nafallo> Angelus: prefer the version from the repos if it is the same version.
[22:52] <gnomefreak> Angelus: you changed it that makes i < ubuntu versions (assuming you either didnt pass all the config options or you passed a config option ubuntu doesnt use
[23:12] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: no, why?
[23:12] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure it does what I wrote as well.
[23:13] <gnomefreak> Nafallo: if he changed config options and kept same version its gonna be < ubuntu version
[23:13] <Angelus> Nafallo:  and gnomefreak i didnt understand you
[23:13] <Angelus> it is the same version exacly
[23:13] <Angelus> even the abi
[23:13] <gnomefreak> Angelus: you compiled it and didnt change any config options?
[23:13] <Angelus> but adept is giving me un update to the repo version
[23:14] <Angelus> of course i changed config options
[23:14] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: if it's the exactly same name on the deb I'm pretty sure it compares what it has in the packagelist against the package that is actually installed.
[23:14] <Angelus> i change debian/config/amd64/config
[23:14] <gnomefreak> Nafallo: ubuntu version should rule over personal builds
[23:14] <gnomefreak> afaik
[23:14] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: that's what I tell you.
[23:15] <Angelus> hmm
[23:15] <gnomefreak> Angelus: just pin it if you dont want adept to complain
[23:15] <Angelus> is there  way i can change the abi number?
[23:15] <Angelus> g
[23:15] <Angelus> gnomefreak: "how to i pin it" ?
[23:15] <Angelus> *do
[23:16] <gnomefreak> Angelus: its a bad idea to keep same version that you build as ubuntus build because if you get them mixed up it can be issues on bug reports ect...
[23:16] <gnomefreak> !pinning
[23:16] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[23:16] <gnomefreak> Angelus: my packages always have a higher version
[23:17] <Angelus> the guide says that doing "debian/rules binary" should generate a unique abi number, in my case it didn't it used same abi number as the kubuntu abi number
[23:21] <Angelus> gnomefreak: is there a way to generate a diferent abi number manually?
[23:21] <gnomefreak> Angelus: not sure im not a kernel dev
[23:22] <Angelus> so my only choise is pinning?
[23:25] <Angelus> Nafallo: do you know how to generate a diferent abi for a custom built kernel?
[23:37] <_Thelonius_> hi, anyone here?
[23:37] <_Thelonius_> i need help on the compiling of the kernel...
[23:37] <_Thelonius_> i cannot enable a module and i dunno why
[23:55] <Angelus> guys
[23:55] <Angelus> i discovered that my kernel package has a smaller size then the ubuntu kernel
[23:55] <Angelus> so i think thats why its telling me to upgrade?


[20:27] <hggdh> OK. The election for the 3 slots available on the IRC Council is now open. If you did not receive an email with the link to vote (*and* you are a member of the Ubuntu IRC Team on Launchpad), then yell.
[20:28] <Flannel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2016-March/001844.html
[21:04] <Fuchs> hggdh: yell
[21:05] <Fuchs> (Fuchs on lolpad)
[21:07] <dax> Fuchs: cannot be, that lolpad member is part of the freenode staff team
[21:07]  * dax ducks
[21:08]  * Fuchs looks at his emeritus cloak
[21:08] <Fuchs> yes, about correct
[21:08] <Fuchs> there are various other former members as well, I think it's supposed to be that way
[21:08] <Fuchs> anyway, I didn't get an e-mail, so I can't vote against rww
[21:08] <dax> o
[21:08] <dax> either that or it's stuck in an alternate universe where martinp23 is still a staffer
[21:09] <Fuchs> please fix, Flannel or hggdh or whoever is responsible
[21:09] <Fuchs> dax: and ldunn
[21:09] <Fuchs> and Pricey
[21:09] <Fuchs> and Elwell ... the list goes on
[21:09] <dax> maybe it should just be renamed to ~freenode-staff-emeritus :3
[21:09] <Fuchs> I like it the way it is
[21:09] <dax> i'd count and see which is more accurate but i can't be bothered
[21:09] <Fuchs> please don't make them change it, thank you.
[21:10] <Fuchs> now back to the problem at paw
[21:10] <dax> the relevant people have been poked :P
[21:10] <Fuchs> good, good
[21:10] <Flannel> Fuchs: Where do you want it sent?
[21:10] <Fuchs> Flannel: ubuntu at fuchsnet dot ch    is fine
[21:10] <Fuchs> I think, give me a minute
[21:11] <Flannel> Fuchs: I'll ignore that last statement and wait for the one in a minute
[21:11] <Fuchs> yes, that is fine
[21:11] <Flannel> Ok
[21:11] <Fuchs> ♥
[21:11] <k1l_> are your sure the email you set at launchpad is working?
[21:11] <dax> (it might just be very hidden)
[21:11] <Fuchs> k1l_: yes
[21:11] <dax> (mine is too but Flannel knows where i live so)
[21:11] <Fuchs> k1l_: it's a known issue with hidden e-mail addresses, I thought it was resolved by now, apparently not
[21:12] <dax> Fuchs: it's resolvable by having the CC poke Canonical IS for email addresses, which bleh
[21:12] <Flannel> Fuchs: I sent it to the primary email in your GPG key, for reference.
[21:12] <Fuchs> huh, whatever that one is  *checks*
[21:12] <Fuchs> nooo, nonono
[21:12] <Fuchs> that one has not been working for ages  *goes replace*
[21:13] <k1l_> aha, totally a launchpad issue ;p
[21:13] <dax> i should probably re-sign my GPG key one of these years. it's been expired for a long while
[21:13] <dax> by which i mean a year and a bit
[21:14] <Flannel> Fuchs: You should have an email.
[21:15] <Fuchs> k1l_: it is a launchpad issue, see above
[21:15] <dax> i'm not sure that "hidden emails are hidden" is a launchpad issue?
[21:15] <Fuchs> it should™ go to the e-mail address(es), which are still correct, but it can't
[21:16] <dax> considering the email finder we used pulls emails with the permissions of the logged in user, so it's set to "hidden from all" not "hidden from signed-out users"
[21:18] <Fuchs> yes, but taking an e-mail from gpg keys is somewhat silly from an UX perspective, as there is zero guarantee that this is a valid e-mail at this point, nor that user wants or expects e-mails regarding launchpad to it
[21:18] <Fuchs> so the proper fix is what you mentioned above
[21:18] <dax> that's not a bug in Launchpad, that's a bug in Flannel
[21:18] <Fuchs> or having a function to contact group members in lolpad, either works
[21:19] <Flannel> dax: I'm pretty sure it's a feature.
[21:19] <dax> a function to send one email and have it go to all members of a group in Launchpad 1) exists, 2) doesn't work for CIVS voting
[21:20] <dax> b/c CIVS wants a list of email addresses so it can send unique keys to each
[21:20] <Fuchs> and that needs fixing
[21:20] <Flannel> Fuchs: Dud you get the email?
[21:20] <Fuchs> Flannel: yes, thank you :)
[21:21] <Fuchs> thinking of it
[21:21] <Fuchs> that vote page is one massive Usability issue as well
[21:22] <dax> i think your complaint list reduces to
[21:22] <dax> i think your complaint list reduces to "make voting in Launchpad not terrible so people don't ignore it and use an external provider"
[21:22] <Fuchs> that would work, yes
[21:23] <Fuchs> one could also implement an IRC poker in that e-mail fetcher *nods*
[21:23] <Fuchs> there are libraries for it in most sane programming languages, and most insane ones, too
[21:23] <Fuchs> (yes, that's a stupid idea, but given gpg keys are considered, it's not that odd)
[21:30] <hggdh> well, yes, the email harverster has a few limitations. This is why Flannel was telling everybody to contact him (as I did here)
[21:30] <Fuchs> yes, that worked :)
[21:30] <hggdh> well, not *everybody*, but just these that did not get an email
[21:31] <hggdh> well, not just those that did not receive an email, but *also* are members of the IRC team
[21:31] <hggdh> uff
[21:32] <hggdh> Fuchs: so... re you going to update your GPG keys so that the first email there works?
[21:32] <Fuchs> hggdh: already done, but personally I recommend not using that, as per the above
[21:33] <Fuchs> gpg keys are not at all meant to be a ressource for valid e-mail addresses, so I'd rather put a state of "failed delivery" there and try to poke people instead of assuming that worked
[21:33] <hggdh> Fuchs: yeah. I had not considered the GPG email issue.
[21:34] <Fuchs> (note that there is also zero validation of these e-mail addresses, so people preferring to not receive spam might put nonsensical ones there)
[21:34] <hggdh> we could change it but this will mean more work for the voting maestro (as only the maestro can add new emails to the voting)
[21:35] <hggdh> I know about that. But there is nothing we can do. For example, you could open a LP account with one email, then stop using it.
[21:35] <Fuchs> I recommend not using it and creating a list of unreachable people (due to no e-mail address found), then trying to poke these
[21:35] <Fuchs> or what dax suggested
[21:36] <dax> hggdh: (it's the ubuntu irc members team, not the irc team. they're different things because lolidfk)
[21:37] <Fuchs> I think I'm even in both *checks*
[21:37] <hggdh> dax: indeed. I thought of the Ubuntu IRC team, and just wrote IRC team. My bad.
[21:37] <hggdh> crap
[21:37] <hggdh> Ubuntu IRC members team

[21:37] <Fuchs> apparently I am in both
[21:37] <hggdh> goot
[21:38] <dax> another example of how our LP stuff is broken as hell
[21:38] <dax> this is the voting group: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-members
[21:38] <dax> this is what is named "IRC Team" in LP: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc
[21:38] <dax> this is the IRC Team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ops
[21:38] <Fuchs> well, -ish
[21:38] <hggdh> we should really, really, restructure it
[21:38] <Fuchs> -ops is only core, isn't it?
[21:39] <dax> Fuchs: which is what the IRC Team is.
[21:39] <hggdh> I guess so, mosta
[21:39] <dax> it's literally the group of people who manage core channels
[21:39] <Fuchs> dax: in whose terminology?
[21:39] <dax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam
[21:39] <dax> Fuchs: IRCC + CC
[21:39] <Fuchs> lovely, so we have at least two ♥
[21:39] <Fuchs> probably 3
[21:40] <dax> core channels are managed by the IRC Team, non-core channels are managed by the relevant team that uses them, IRCC has oversight over everything that happens in the ubuntu namespaces but more directly manages the IRC Team
[21:42] <dax> that part of the back of your head which is now screaming is the part of my head that finds such things highly amusing, fwiw
[21:43] <hggdh> in simpler words, the IRCC manages all of the ubuntu namespace, except where it does not.
[21:43] <dax> depends on definition of "manages" :)
[21:43] <dax> it's delegated to have oversight over the lot of it, and it also directly manages the team that handles core channels
[21:44] <dax> but then we also get into the bit where from freenode's point of view there are five (or four, but i think that got fixed) people with teh ultimate powahz over the ubuntu namespaces, and what is a community council
[21:45] <dax> it's all very confusing and thank god a decent number of people have been around for years and keep it all straight
[21:46] <Fuchs> This will all be fixed by GMS
[21:46] <Fuchs> which will be a launchpad module
[21:46] <Fuchs> coded by jzk
[21:46] <Fuchs> then we can vote on IRC, he already coded that
[21:46] <dax> GMS will, highly-entertainingly actually make it worse
[21:47] <dax> because under GMS, you /have/ to get a GC's attention to register a primary namespace channel, whereas right now it's mostly self-service and the IRCC only has to get involved if stuff goes wrong
[21:47] <Fuchs> why should?
[21:47] <Fuchs> ah, that
[21:47] <Fuchs> depends
[21:47] <Fuchs> it's not clear what happens with existing # channels nor whether registration will be completely blocked, as far as I know
[21:47] <dax> well, that's how it was on testnet, and i haven't seen the staffer side of it, maybe there are config settings that mitigate that
[21:47] <Fuchs> in either case, it will take ages until that is implemented
[21:48] <dax> actually, i'm fairly certain there are config settings that mitigate that now that i think more, so yeah, who knows
[21:49] <Fuchs> the code is on GitHub, feel free to check, I won't touch that with a 2000ft stick
[21:50] <dax> 1) dax pays attention to GMS, 2) dax fears for the future of humanity, 3) dax makes snarky remarks at #freenode, 4) dax gets yelled at by mst, 5) dax stops paying attention to GMS, 6) time passes, 7) goto 1
[21:50] <Fuchs> also mst should be a list
[21:51] <dax> although to be fair said comments mostly revolved around the topic of "this thing has taken so long to code that there are kids in middle school born after it"
[21:51] <dax> apparently i should take such comments to the reddit thread about it. which i was unable to find so oh well
[21:52] <Fuchs> probably because it's ~6 years old
[21:52] <dax> and buried under years of [insert bad things dax brings up about reddit on a weekly basis here] posts
[21:53] <dax> anyway my brain now feels less like mush so i'ma go do laundry and upgrade a server at work (great idea!)
[21:53] <dax> ttyl
[21:53] <Fuchs> haev fun