[00:14] <hggdh> can somebody please fix http://tinyurl.com/p848ya2 (Vagrantcloud, Ubuntu precise states it is 14.04)
[00:15] <cryptodan> hggdh: whats there to fix?
[00:15] <hggdh> cryptodan: as far as I can remember, Precise is 12.04, not 14.04.
[00:15] <cryptodan> may want to contact them for support who ever is hosting that
[00:15] <hggdh> the actual page: https://vagrantcloud.com/ubuntu/boxes/precise64
[00:15] <hggdh> cryptodan: yes. They say the text is not theirs
[00:16] <cryptodan> then whose is it?
[00:16] <hggdh> Ubuntu...
[00:16] <cryptodan> doubt it
[00:16] <teward> cryptodan: this was already discussed on the mailing lists
[00:16] <teward> hggdh: looks like there's an I:NoFurtherAction statement on it from the ML
[00:16] <teward> but it's still something we should fix
[00:16] <teward> s/we should/that should be/
[00:17] <hggdh> teward: yes indeed, this is why I came here (since most of the cloud folks from my time are usually around)
[00:17] <teward> ah
[00:18] <hggdh> (I am completely off cloud and Ubuntu nowadays, so I have no clue on who would deal with that)
[00:20] <hggdh> anyway. I tried.
[00:20] <Bilge> I can only access the file system because the disk is mounted under a rescue kernel
[00:20] <Bilge> So I mean I cannot run any local system commands to recover the system
[00:20] <Bilge> The point being I must modify files directly instead of running configuration commands
[00:24] <cryptodan> What services wont start or what services would you like to disable?
[00:26] <bananapie> Anyone know how big ubuntu's repository is ?
[00:27] <teward> bananapie: in what context?  Do you mean how much space the entire repository of package(s) is for, say, the repository mirrors?
[00:28] <bananapie> yes. How big is a repository mirror?
[00:30] <teward> bananapie: a tiny bit outdated but... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors#Releases_Statistics  I'm guessing maybe any individual mirror server that meets the criterion of a mirror (on that page)
[00:30] <teward> and i'm guessing maybe around that - but I don't know the specifics...
[00:30] <teward> (this assumes just the repositories, not, say, the cdimage mirrors)
[00:32] <larzo> It says 642GB for package archives and 37GB for release CD images.
[00:33] <teward> larzo: then I was wrong. Problem is they don't specify that anywhere.
[00:33] <teward> but huge :)
[00:33] <larzo> yup
[00:33] <teward> bananapie: larzo's got it - 642GB for package archives (which are the repo mirrors)
[00:34] <bananapie> So, definitely not worth running a local mirror, yes.
[00:34] <bananapie> yet*
[00:34] <bananapie> ok
[00:34] <bananapie> thanks guys :)
[00:34] <bananapie> I was sure it was less than 50gigabytes
[00:34] <teward> bananapie: well, that's for a full mirror
[00:34] <teward> bananapie: if you want to nitpick a specific ubuntu release you can probably do that in a private mirror
[00:35] <teward> probably even less than that with specific architectures
[00:35] <teward> but i haven't run a local mirror recently - my server for it asploded, and my priority has been security of my network, recently.
[00:36] <larzo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror
[00:38] <bananapie> actually, debmirror might work. I can specify the specific versions I want, I can stick to LTS versions. :)
[04:12] <Wichali> hello
[04:14] <LinStatSDR> hi
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <jotterbot> For 14.04.1  Ubuntu Server, can someone point me to a reliable guide to install to a RAID1 for boot
[11:00] <dasjoe> jotterbot: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[11:00] <jotterbot> dasjoe: I saw that, but was following along and I believe instructions do not apply for 14.04.1
[11:00] <jotterbot> there is mention of options that don't exist
[11:01] <jotterbot> (thank you though for linking me) :)
[11:03] <dasjoe> jotterbot: I'm pretty sure they do exist, maybe your debconf priority threshold is set too high. Which install cd are you using? If you're already in the text installer go "back", in the main menu is an option to set your debconf question threshold to "low".
[11:03] <jotterbot> i'm using 14.04.1 x64 iso
[11:03] <jotterbot> ubuntu server
[11:04] <dasjoe> Does your installer look like this? http://i.stack.imgur.com/G5bh1.png
[11:04] <jotterbot> yep
[11:05] <jotterbot> I have installed ubuntu server many times with no issues
[11:05] <jotterbot> I am just trying to configure a software raid 1 for booting
[11:05] <jotterbot> ...after my supermicro mobo implemented fakeraid
[11:07] <jotterbot> debconf "low" is indeed very....verbose
[11:10] <dasjoe> It indeed is, but it should give you an option to manually partition your disks, where you can set up two partitions to be "used for software RAID", after setting this it should guide you to build a mdraid on top of them
[11:12] <jotterbot> i think my problem is i need an UEFI partition at the start of the disk or soemthing
[11:12] <jotterbot> when i use guided partitioning the partitions look like:
[11:13] <jotterbot> http://imgur.com/hWSAD1i
[11:14] <jotterbot> I'm not quite sure of correct paritions, eg. do i need swap/efi still?
[11:15] <dasjoe> jotterbot: sorry, I'm not too sure. Haven't done much with EFI or raid1
[11:16] <jotterbot> dasjoe: no worries mate, I appreciate you taking the effort regardless :)
[11:16] <dasjoe> jotterbot: I assume you saw this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/355727/how-to-install-ubuntu-server-with-uefi-and-raid1-lvm
[11:18] <jotterbot> i did, but didn't think it applied as I don't wish to use LVM.
[11:18] <jotterbot> will reread though as I have just seen the step by step instructions....
[11:18] <dasjoe> I'm not sure whether that bug is still present, so I'd just create a 512 MB EFIboot on each disk, then a raid1 member after that
[11:18] <jotterbot> thanks will do
[11:19] <dasjoe> Good luck, I'll be away for an hour or two
[11:19] <jotterbot> i wish there was a site that had "the one and only *correct* way to format/partition/setup RAID1 on 14.04.1 for setup x y z"
[13:52] <LinStatSDR> Does openvswitch-datapath-dkms work with kernel 3.13 now?
[13:54] <LinStatSDR> having issue with http://fpaste.org/150015/79977614/
[13:57] <akiva-thinkpad> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22327/intro-by-michael-hall-keynote-by-rick-spencer/
[13:58] <akiva-thinkpad> The ubuntu online summit starts in 2 minutes; come join the foray if you are interested
[14:00] <LinStatSDR> Something with multicast has no group id
[14:15] <jamespage> zul, gnuoy, coreycb: ovs dkms dies at long last - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/2.3.0+git20140819-2ubuntu1
[14:15] <jamespage> we should have probably dropped that last cycle
[14:15] <zul> jamespage:  you are doing ovs in debian now?
[14:15] <jamespage> zul, nah
[14:15] <jamespage> zul, but that is our first merge for some time
[14:16] <jamespage> zul, it was pretty dead in debian for a while
[14:16] <jamespage> zul, ben appears to be picking things up again
[14:16] <zul> jamespage:  ah...ok cool :)
[14:25] <rene_> Hello
[14:35] <m_anish> Hi I have an ubuntu-14.04 x64 server and facing a strange issue.
[14:35] <m_anish> Uptime is going through the roof -- linearly increasing with time. However, I don't see anytihng consuming cpu in top
[14:36] <m_anish> I also have iotop installed no issues there
[14:36] <Pici> m_anish: Are you sure you meant uptime there?
[14:36] <m_anish> Pici, sorry, i meand load averages
[14:37] <m_anish> Pici, the strange part is.. the server is functional.. I don't see any performance issues
[14:37] <m_anish> (atleast not consistent with the load averages - currently at 7 in a dual core server)
[14:47] <zul> jamespage:  just a heads up openstack will be replacing suds with a fork of suds
[14:53] <bananapie> hello, I am messing with the boot loader ( for the sake of learning more about boot loaders ). The kernel is loaded and the initrd is loaded. I have to manually mount the root file system ( which I have done ). What is the command to run to exit initrd and finish booting the machine ?
[14:54] <bananapie> Even though I mounted my root filesystem, I still only see initrd stuff in / ...
[14:58] <bananapie> I'm pretty sure it's the run-init command I need to use
[15:00] <linocisco> who are using ubuntu server and asterisk for large deployment?
[15:01] <bananapie> me
[15:01] <jamespage> zul, \o/ awesome
[15:04] <adam_g> jamespage, wonder if this addresses the neutron scaling issues you hit: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050171.html
[15:04] <jamespage> adam_g, yeah - I tried with those - they do help quite a bit
[15:04] <jamespage> adam_g, I suspect that I should go +1 them with a suitable comment
[15:05] <adam_g> jamespage, yeah, a case can probably be made for stable if it fixes a performance regression vs adds a performance improvement
[15:07] <linocisco> bananapie, are u using asterisk on ubuntu server?
[15:10] <bananapie> yes
[15:10] <jamespage> adam_g, my comments are in the context of around 12,000 running instances and their associated ports
[15:10] <jamespage> adam_g, I'll respond on list as well
[15:13] <bananapie> linocisco, what do you want to know?
[15:13] <linocisco> bananapie, let me talk somewhere else
[15:14] <bananapie> pm ?
[15:15] <linocisco> bananapie, yes
[15:31] <bananapie> I am trying to boot by ubuntu server without the  'root=....' parameter passed to the kernel. I want to mount the root manually and let the server finish booting afterwards.
[15:31] <bananapie> do I have to run pivot_root before run-init?
[15:35] <bananapie> What is the command to start init in Ubuntu ? I tried /sbin/init 3, but it says 'connection refused /com/ubuntu/upstart'
[15:42] <zul> jamespage:  ok most of the client have been updated + glance-store
[16:21] <rberg_> Hello all, does anybody know why the cloud-init bug preventing NOPASSWD in sudoers was not fixed in Precise LTS? where the other releases are marked 'fix released' https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1227432
[19:45] <trelane> is there any documentation or information on Ubuntu Server's market share as compared to say CentOS or RHEL?
[20:23] <astbis> Hi. I've just installed ubuntu-server trusty and am trying to configure static IP, should be straight forward but it seems there is something i am missing. Ip is configured and ifconfig shows the right data, but can't connect or ping anything.
[20:23] <sarnold> astbis: do your routing tables look right? check ip route show   output
[20:24] <astbis> Default route is registered.
[20:25] <DMRadford> Hello everybody. I'm trying to get a java program to start on boot of an Amazon ec2 instance. I've tried bash scripts in /etc/rc.local as well as /etc/init.d and can't seem to get it to start up. The java file is in /home/ubuntu/ and it references another program in /home/ubuntu/Blender. Any thoughts on how I could get it to auto-start when the instance is launched?
[20:26] <astbis> So yes it looks right.
[20:27] <sarnold> astbis: okay, how about the hosts you're trying to ping? do they have properly assigned IPs and correct looking routes?
[20:27] <astbis> I'm just trying to ping <IP_ADDRESS> or my local router. But can't access either.
[20:27] <bekks> DMRadford: Could you give us the pastebin with your shellscript again, please?
[20:28] <sarnold> DMRadford: oftentimes incorrect PATH assumptions lead to these kinds of problems
[20:30] <DMRadford> sarnold, I've checked the paths to be correct. If I SSH into the instance and run "java -jar /home/ubuntu/loki.jar /home/ubuntu/Blender/blender" it runs correctly.
[20:30] <DMRadford> http://paste.debian.net/131486/
[20:31] <sarnold> DMRadford: wow, that's far simpler than I expected. is this file mode 755?
[20:32] <bekks> That script will not work.
[20:32] <DMRadford> sarnold, I'm not positive, I ran 'sudo chmod +x startup.sh'
[20:32] <DMRadford> bekks, what am I missing?
[20:32] <bekks> rc.local has no environment, and no PATH variable content. Specify the full path to yout java binary in your script.
[20:33] <sarnold> bekks: -no- PATH? heh
[20:33] <sarnold> bekks: thanks :)
[20:33] <bekks> No path in rc.local :)
[20:34] <sarnold> damn. I figured it'd have at least /bin:/usr/bin if nothing else..
[20:34] <DMRadford> Ok, so then what should my script read then? I'm still very very new to this stuff
[20:34] <sarnold> DMRadford: /usr/bin/java ...
[20:35] <DMRadford> so after #!/bin/bash, the second line should be: /usr/bin/java -jar /home/ubuntu/loki.jar /home/ubuntu/Blender/blender
[20:35] <DMRadford> Is that correct?
[20:35] <bekks> DMRadford: Yes.
[20:35] <sarnold> right
[20:37] <DMRadford> Ok. updated startup.sh, chmod 775, moved into /etc/rc.local and rebooting.
[20:38] <DMRadford> Still isn't appearing to have worked :/
[20:39] <bekks> DMRadford: Because java needs more environment vars to be set, like JAVA_HOME and stuff.
[20:39] <DMRadford> I know nothing about this
[20:39] <sarnold> blech, annoying java
[20:40] <DMRadford> where do I put those variables and what are they?
[21:08] <poseidon> Does anybody here know of a guide for installing hhvm on ubuntu 14.10?
[21:16] <FilthyMacNasty> EHLO serveroids
[21:17] <bekks> 250 OK
[21:18] <FilthyMacNasty> SYN
[21:19] <FilthyMacNasty> is there a way to recover a directory that was in the process of a mv * and the drive space ran out?
[21:20] <FilthyMacNasty> it shows up red when I ls
[21:26] <lordievader> FilthyMacNasty: Should still be in the source.
[21:27] <FilthyMacNasty> the source is a ntfs partition, its My Documents and that space in the directory name is giving me fits
[21:27] <FilthyMacNasty> and it says it doesnt exist
[21:30] <cryptodan> you want to try testdisk
[21:38] <FilthyMacNasty> I'll try anything instead of rekeying a vfw members list
[21:57] <blistov> Hey all. Between NM and Plymouth, I'm losing my mind. How do I just set my networking up manually?
[21:58] <blistov> I've manually edited plymouth.conf to skip the sleeps for network config, but I still can't get all my interfaces to come up with correct routing.
[21:58] <FilthyMacNasty> I ask the same question
[22:00] <blistov> http://pastebin.com/X1A5CvCs
[22:00] <blistov> Dual wan emergency remote access box for one of my clients.
[22:01] <blistov> They've got constant issues with connectivity due to their location, so on top of their primary firewall having redundant WAN connections, I also have this new machine in place to give me access if the firewall cacks out as well.
[22:01] <blistov> Problem is that NONE of the up/post-up/post-down rules are being applied, and as I'm remote, I can't see why.
[22:02] <blistov> After killing Plymouths idiotic 2.5minute timeout for networking config so I don't have to wait a goddamn year to just ssh in, p5p1 comes up at <IP_ADDRESS>, and I ssh in via the vpn.
[22:03] <blistov> From there, if I add those routes, both my WAN nics come up and work as expected. I can ssh to either of them, only one neends to be up to work, and if both are up, I get load balancing (which is just incidental).
[22:03] <blistov> Why aren't the routes being applied at ifup?
[22:07] <blistov> i'm starting to lose my mind at the fact that almost all distros are getting less and less stable, and all these little changes dont' seem to be well documented. I've configured network/interfaces THOUSANDS of times and it's not usually rocket surgery, but for whatever reason, since 12 or 13.x, nothign seems to work and i can't find any documentation on what's changed.
[22:12] <DMRadford> having some trouble with bash scripts. I have startup.sh with some code in /home/ubuntu. From the terminal, if I type "/home/ubuntu/startup.sh" it runs fine. However when I try to run "sudo /home/ubuntu/startup.sh", it just hangs and won't run my script. Any ideas?
[22:19] <bekks> DMRadford:Try gksudo
[23:42] <jotterbot> Can someone help me setup raid1 from scratch on ubuntu server 14.04.1
[23:42] <jotterbot> i have 2 new drives /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[23:42] <jotterbot> i need help to setup the correct partitions and swap etc


[08:28] <tsdgeos> Saviq: in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1511072 you linked the bug to itseldf
[08:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oops
[08:54] <tsdgeos> frozen scopes :/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1511063
[08:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: we did disable the crash generation on ota7 right? so this can't be a "it's crashing but getting the info", no?
[08:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, it's disabled by default, but doesn't mean people can't enable it
[08:58] <tsdgeos> right
[09:04] <tsdgeos> Saviq: would that be the "App crashes and errors" in System Settings->Diagnostics?
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, power back up? and yes, that'd be that setting
[10:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yep, poewr back up
[10:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I just realized something... we should probably update the dash header to match uitk 1.3?
[10:08] <Saviq> hmm or can we
[10:08] <Saviq> and the splash header, thought we were using UITK there...
[10:09] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it's done on the sdk13 branches
[10:10] <Saviq> hmm hmm
[10:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I've silo 21, with both sdk13 and qtquick24 branches, both dash and the default splash screen have the thick header bar
[10:10] <Saviq> in dash I don't think we can get rid of it straight away because we have the horizontal pills there
[10:11] <tsdgeos> ah the thick bar is different too?
[10:11] <tsdgeos> i checked the height is smaller
[10:11] <tsdgeos> didn't realize the thick bar changed
[10:11] <Saviq> yeah it's gone
[10:11] <tsdgeos> it's weird the splash screen doesn't adjust though
[10:11] <tsdgeos> since we actually use the sdk thing in there
[10:11] <Saviq> splash is also higher
[10:12] <Saviq> so we must be doing something to it
[10:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, anyway, next landing, won't block that silo for it
[10:12] <tsdgeos> oki
[10:12] <Saviq> but we can't say we have that bug fixed when that lands
[10:12] <popey> Saviq, just noticed on latest image, open contacts and messaging (and other apps) the splash is inconsistent with the app. See http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-10-29-101145.png vs http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-10-29-101200.png
[10:12] <popey> is that known?
[10:13] <Saviq> popey, bug #1508363
[10:13] <Saviq> popey, workin' on it
[10:13] <popey> okay
[10:15] <Saviq> cimi, looks like the new shape branch added an overlay background to the store card https://owncloud.sawicz.net/index.php/s/0afe9e8a599ef8fef2f2a105e9db357d#//screenshot20151029_111418354.png
[10:15] <Saviq> that cleared with design?
[10:15] <cimi> Saviq, let me see
[10:16] <cimi> Saviq, nope that's new
[10:16] <cimi> not intended
[10:17]  * cimi investigates
[10:19] <mzanetti> Saviq, hey, I've a fix for the issue that kgunn found (windows storage saves 0,0,0,0)
[10:19] <mzanetti> should I propose a new branch or push it to panel-button-fixes?
[10:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, push
[10:20] <mzanetti> ack
[10:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, or well,
[10:20] <mzanetti> :)
[10:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, depends where it fits ;)
[10:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, we'll have a u8 rebuild in silo 21 for sure
[10:20] <mzanetti> yes, it does fit there
[10:20] <mzanetti> question was really how the silo state is
[10:21] <mzanetti> ok. just running some tests and will push in a minute
[10:24] <Saviq> cimi, did design ack https://owncloud.sawicz.net/index.php/s/0afe9e8a599ef8fef2f2a105e9db357d# ? that's full-width video on tablet
[10:26] <cimi> Saviq, I think the ubuntu store might specify overlay color but never worked? :)
[10:26] <Saviq> cimi, it specifies one with 0 alpha IIRC
[10:26] <Saviq> cimi, to get around it
[10:26] <cimi> ah ok let me see
[10:27] <Saviq> cimi, anywhere I can try preview sharing?
[10:27] <cimi> Saviq, there are no scopes done I think
[10:27] <cimi> Saviq, I'd like to have one too so we can see it live
[10:28] <Saviq> cimi, tryPreview works, at least?
[10:28] <cimi> mmm either that or previewSharing
[10:28] <Saviq> ack
[10:28] <cimi> don't remember let me see
[10:29] <cimi> yeah PreviewSharing
[10:30] <Saviq> doesn't look like much... pstolowski, on that note, how do scopes know if a feature like preview sharing is supported? or is it ok because if it isn't, we just ignore it?
[10:30] <Saviq> (I mean in different versions of the dash)
[10:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, so since we'll need a rebuild anyway, can I ask you to make the splash screen use new header?
[10:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yes, having a look
[10:32] <pstolowski> Saviq, they don't know it. if it not available, shell will just ignore unknown attributes. in general you're expected to be running up-to-date phone i guess
[10:33] <cimi> Saviq, I am just using UbuntuShapeOverlay with overlayColor: cardData["overlayColor"], while before we were reading overlayColor.r,g,b,a
[10:33] <Saviq> pstolowski, as long as they work...
[10:33] <cimi> Saviq, might be something in UITK
[10:33] <cimi> or I can workaround with opacity: cardData["overlayColor"].a MAYBE
[10:34] <Saviq> pstolowski, what I mean is, when we introduce an incompatible change, we can't let scopes use it until a new framework is defined
[10:34] <Saviq> pstolowski, otherwise you can install a scope that won't work
[10:35] <mzanetti> Saviq, pushed
[10:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, ack, tx
[10:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, +test?
[10:35] <pstolowski> Saviq, yes, absolutely
[10:36] <Saviq> pstolowski, so long as older phones will just ignore it, fine
[10:36] <Saviq> pstolowski, but before we make any changes like that public, we need to determine what's what
[10:38] <mzanetti> Saviq, yes, added atest too
[10:38] <Saviq> mzanetti, great
[10:39] <Saviq> cimi, if you can, please do, but find out what's going on and check if/file a bug in uitk
[10:39] <cimi> Saviq, for overlay right? no focus thingy
[10:41] <Saviq> cimi, yes
[10:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, when you close an app, focus not going to the next window is known, right?
[10:45] <mzanetti> hmm... not really... need to check if ltinkl has that fixed, he was mocking around with focus
[10:45] <Saviq> reboot
[10:46] <Saviq> no external screen either, just messing about with maximizing dash in windowed mode
[10:48] <Saviq> mzanetti, noticed, also, that minimize clears the maximize state
[10:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, i.e. maximize → minimize → launcher should be maximized, but is restored
[10:49] <mzanetti> really
[10:49] <mzanetti> that was intentional
[10:49] <mzanetti> ah no
[10:49] <mzanetti> that was with close in between
[10:49] <mzanetti> yes launcher always restores so far
[10:49] <Saviq> still, maximize should be stored along with geometry on close, IMO
[10:50] <Saviq> until you restore manually, it should always be maximized
[10:51] <mzanetti> hmm... indeed
[10:51] <mzanetti> Saviq, ack, will fix, but in a new branch
[10:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, sure
[10:54] <Saviq> dandrader, any pointer on testing the upsidedown fix? is there no bug for it?
[10:56] <dandrader> Saviq, this is actually a bug fix
[10:56] <Saviq> dandrader, I know, just wondering how to test it fixes ;)
[10:56] <dandrader> Saviq, bug description should say it
[10:56]  * dandrader looks
[10:57] <Saviq> right, bug not linked
[10:57] <Saviq> ah bug #1478637
[10:57] <Saviq> dandrader, ↑
[10:57] <Saviq> it was linked to the superseded branch
[10:58] <dandrader> Saviq, that's the one
[10:58] <dandrader> Saviq, and Nexus 7 is the device
[10:58] <Saviq> yup
[11:01] <dandrader> Saviq, fixed the bug title
[11:01] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, Josh's branch doesn't fix the bug, though, I wonder if the fix for rotating external screen causes that
[11:02] <ltinkl> Saviq, the bug when focus is lost when you either minimize or close an app is fixed in my branch
[11:02] <ltinkl> Saviq, or should be :)
[11:02] <Saviq> ltinkl, ack
[11:03] <dandrader> Saviq, wonderful :). bitrotting at its best
[11:03] <dandrader> Saviq, looking into it
[11:03] <ltinkl> Saviq, also when you focus/activate a minimized window from the spread
[11:04] <Saviq> kk
[11:08] <Saviq> dandrader, fix for desktop doesn't matter, it's as if the branch didn't really change anything, landscape apps always go to Landscape, not InvertedLandscape
[11:08] <Saviq> dandrader, except the power-button workaround no longer works, either ;)
[11:09] <Saviq> dandrader, FWIW the branch is waiting for your vote anyway, since it was resubmitted https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/new_fix_upsidedown/+merge/275683
[11:09] <dandrader> Saviq, I don't get it. this bug fixes an issue that appears exclusively on the nexus 7 builtin display
[11:09] <Saviq> dandrader, oh and yeah, card for tests for this is good
[11:09] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[11:09] <dandrader> Saviq, when you are on tablet stage
[11:10] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, ignore my "desktop" comment, doesn't really bring anything into the discussion
[11:10] <Saviq> was just grasping at straws
[11:13] <Saviq> dednick, how can I verify bug #1475678?
[11:13] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok, it's not as trivial as i thought, there's a PageHeadStyle.qml "copied with large modifications from Ubuntu UI Toolkit's Ambiance's theme" in our source code
[11:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sounds about right
[11:14] <dednick> Saviq: erm, kinda a pain to do. i did it by logging when the client switched buffers
[11:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so i'm going to work on it but may still want to land it since maybe i don't get it done today :D
[11:14] <dednick> but need to modify code
[11:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, waiting for a few other bits, so we'll see
[11:15] <Saviq> dednick, wonder if I could get scenegraph to tell me in a small qml app
[11:16] <Saviq> greyback_, how difficult to turn on scenegraph logging?
[11:16] <Saviq> greyback_, to test whether it's rendering or not (thinking occlusion here)
[11:16] <dednick> Saviq: oh, yeah probably can
[11:16] <dednick> should just be a env var
[11:17] <Saviq> QSG_RENDERER_DEBUG=render
[11:17] <Saviq> let's try tha
[11:17] <Saviq> t
[11:17] <greyback_> Saviq: QSG_VISUALIZE=changes can go nice visual
[11:17] <Saviq> greyback_, well, I've to put the app in the back ;)
[11:18] <greyback_> Saviq: ah, I hadn't read up
[11:18] <greyback_> yeah, QSG_RENDER_TIMING=1 is similar
[11:19] <Saviq> ok, worky
[11:20] <Saviq> mzanetti, /me has a worry about mterry's isTouchApp... if we start displaying non-touch apps in launcher/dash unconditionally, dropping that line from the .desktop file will get your app around lifecycle
[11:21] <mzanetti> Saviq, well would also not allow to launch it in staged mode, no?
[11:22] <mzanetti> just display a message that this app can only be used in with external screen etc
[11:23] <mzanetti> but I see your concern, yes. will talk with mike about it when he comes on
[11:23] <Saviq> tx
[11:26] <dednick> when you use PropertyChanges and a Transition to animate a value change in a state, does the property always change to its final value before starting the animation? ie changing from 0 -> 10 goes: 10, 0, 1, 2, 3...10
[11:27] <dednick> mzanetti: ^ ?
[11:27] <mzanetti> I've seen that before too...
[11:28] <mzanetti> but don't remember what it was. I think I had been fiddling with the order of transitions/propertyactions
[11:28] <mzanetti> it's not always like that, but easy to get into that state
[11:33] <Saviq> dednick, sounds wrong
[11:34] <Saviq> mzanetti, one more thing came to mind... what happens in unity8-desktop-session-mir... if we stop filtering on touch, we'll show all .desktop files, and they won't run
[11:35] <mzanetti> Saviq, shouldn't they run eventually?
[11:36] <Saviq> mzanetti, maybe, eventually, not in the PD timeframe ;)
[11:36] <mzanetti> Saviq, well, the only thing we can do there is to add yet another key like: X-Ubuntu-Touch-Legacy
[11:36] <mzanetti> and filter on both
[11:37] <mzanetti> so the ones we support already would need to be patched for this key
[11:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah I'm starting to think we'll need that
[11:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, that defaults to false, which means we don't need to change, we only need to add to new, legacy apps
[11:37] <mzanetti> yes
[11:37] <Saviq> mess :
[11:37] <Saviq> :/
[11:38] <Saviq> but what can you do
[11:38] <mzanetti> yes... not sure if it's worth it tbh
[11:38] <mzanetti> is unity8-desktop-session-mir something we officially support for endusers?
[11:38] <Saviq> it definitely is worth it, otherwise people who install desktop session will get all the apps that they can't run
[11:38] <Saviq> people don't ask ;)
[11:38] <Saviq> but will complain
[11:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: pushed something that looks quite good to me, can you have a look?
[11:43] <tsdgeos> code is still not totally optimal as there's some copied stuff but much less than before
[11:44] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ack
[11:46] <Saviq> ok, time for a rebuild
[11:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks fine IMO
[11:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, got a conflict in the removal of PageHeadStyle.qml, but that's likely bzr being dumb again, silo should be fine
[11:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sorry i forgot to push use_quick_24
[11:48] <tsdgeos> i had merged it in there since otherwise there's a "you changed this file that is now removed" conflict
[12:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, silo built fine so you made it in time
[12:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, was conflict for me because I merged on top of quick_24
[12:10] <tsdgeos> k
[12:17] <tjaalton> any ideas who to blame when with scale factor 2 the external-monitor-only display mode is corrupted, this is in both vivid & wily at least
[12:18] <tjaalton> only the top-left part of screen is normal, then moving windows around leave traces on rest of desktop
[12:19] <tjaalton> I've only intel gfx to test with
[12:20] <tjaalton> so is it compiz/unity or intel dri driver, or..
[12:23] <greyback_> bregma: any ideas for tjaalton?
[12:24] <tjaalton> the laptop panel needs to have scale factor 2, external 1
[12:25] <bregma> any scale factor >= 2 will cause weird and bizarre problems in any GTK-based software
[12:25] <tjaalton> oh
[12:25] <tjaalton> is that documented somewhere?
[12:25] <tjaalton> and why is it selectable :)
[12:25] <tjaalton> some oem projects use that as the default...
[12:25] <tjaalton> on some models
[12:25] <tjaalton> which is also a trigger for some crashers it seems
[12:26] <bregma> I believe I may have opeened bugs somewhere a few years ago
[12:26] <bregma> it first manifested as running videos "full screen" in totoem would only be a quarter of the screen
[12:26] <bregma> I'm not sure where in the stack any of that happens
[12:26] <bregma> maybe Trevinho has an idea
[12:27] <Trevinho> tjaalton: it's nautilus issue
[12:27] <Trevinho> tjaalton: kill it and reload, it should fix it.
[12:27] <Trevinho> seb128: ^
[12:28] <tjaalton> Trevinho: ah
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, tjaalton, see #ubuntu-desktop backlog from 9:57 utc
[12:33] <tjaalton> seb128: hehe, what a coincidence :)
[12:34] <seb128> tjaalton, or same people applying nag on different groups ;-)
[12:34] <tjaalton> that too
[12:46] <mterry> greyback_, what editor do you use?
[12:47] <greyback_> mterry: QtCreator mostly
[12:47] <mterry> hmph
[12:48] <greyback_> mterry: since you understand the problem, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/1510571.ms-timestamp-compression/+merge/276112 and compare with your own approach?
[12:48] <greyback_> dednick proposed something equivalent to your fix
[12:48] <Saviq> mterry, hey, time for a quick mumble with mzanetti and me re: isTouchApp?
[12:48] <mterry> greyback_, so the line ending issue in that branch I submitted?  My editor (gedit) inserted a newline character at the end of the file.  But doesn't render it.  vi doesn't render it or let me delete it.  Nor does QtCreator (I can delete it, but it will insert it again when saving).  I don't know how you got your file in that state.  I'm going to have to hexedit to get it back
[12:49] <greyback_> mterry: nah, don't bother, it's not worth that kind of trouble
[12:49] <mterry> Saviq, sure
[12:50] <Saviq> mterry, greyback_, files should have a newline at the end, but that should show up everywhere, maybe it's just \r or something?
[12:50] <Saviq> mterry, ok, we're there
[12:51] <mterry> Saviq, no it's ascii 12
[12:54] <Saviq> bad gedit
[12:58] <mterry> Saviq, no... it's enforcing that files have a newline at the end.  As is QtCreator here.  I don't know how greyback_ made the file
[12:59] <Saviq> ;)
[12:59] <greyback_> wasn't me, blame dednick
[12:59] <greyback_> he's the vi guy. There's tab chars in there too
[13:01] <mterry> greyback_, speaking of, comparing the two branches, I think the outcome is the same.  dednick just makes the ulong type more "c++" by using a 'duration' type which knows how to convert to other time types.  So that's nice I guess
[13:01] <mterry> Seems better than my branch
[13:01] <dednick> my branch rules
[13:01] <dednick> :)
[13:02] <mterry> dednick, :)
[13:02] <dednick> sorry, i had the branch for awhile waiting to propose. didnt know it was causing an issue at the time.
[13:03]  * mterry shakes fist at dednick
[13:04] <mterry> These branches have had me looking at the API for these C++ time types...  And I love the specified sizes.  milliseconds is at least 45 bits.  microseconds at least 55 bits.  /me can't wait for the 55 bit processors of the future
[13:09] <dednick> yeah, it's a bit odd
[13:12] <greyback_> gotta love the C++ specs, types are defined "at least" bits
[13:15] <greyback_> mterry: if you're happy with dednick's branch, please +1 it and I'll do the test
[13:15] <greyback_> rest
[13:18] <mterry> dednick, I'm testing your branch to double confirm it fixes the problem in my u8 branch that noticed this.  That way you can tick off the manually-tested checkbox  :)
[13:21] <dednick> mterry: ta
[13:28] <mterry> dednick, looks good
[13:51] <dandrader> Saviq, fixed lp:~unity-team/unity8/new_fix_upsidedown
[13:51] <Saviq> dandrader, great, thanks
[13:59] <ltinkl> mzanetti, updated https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/activateWindows/+merge/275706
[13:59] <mzanetti> yep, saw it, thanks
[14:05] <Saviq> greyback_, shall I add https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/qtmir/1510571.ms-timestamp-compression/+merge/276112 to silo?
[14:05] <Saviq> 3...
[14:05] <Saviq> 2...
[14:05] <Saviq> 1...
[14:05] <Saviq> adding
[14:07] <greyback_> Saviq: yes
[14:07] <greyback_> just testing on device now
[14:07] <Saviq> greyback_, ok, building in silo, too
[14:17] <Saviq> /food
[14:30] <attente> Saviq: how can a client check if it should be using single-surface mode or not?
[15:02] <Saviq> attente, today, anything that has X-Ubuntu-Touch=true in its .desktop file needs to launch single-surface
[15:03] <Saviq> attente, we'll allow multi-window for the browser at some point in the near future, and for Xmir, but that's multi-window, not multi-surface, menus, tooltips etc. will need to be single-surface for now
[15:03] <attente> Saviq: isn't that used for unity 8 desktop too though?
[15:03] <Saviq> attente, that's still single-surface today
[15:03] <Saviq> attente, we don't really have window management in unity8 yet
[15:03] <attente> but at some point in the future we have to differentiate, right?
[15:04] <Saviq> attente, yes, at that point the app will likely get a hint in what usage scenario the device is working in, what input methods are available etc.
[16:51] <dandrader> dednick, looks like https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qtmir/lp1475678.surface-occlude/+merge/273426 is missing a prerequisite
[16:52] <dandrader> dednick, lp:~mterry/qtmir/no-touch-no-lifecycle
[16:53] <Saviq> dandrader, no need
[16:54] <dednick> dandrader: if you mean because it's in the unity8 branch, it was just to get to to bind together in the silo
[16:54] <dandrader> dednick, Saviq, It won't compile without it because of unity-api
[16:54] <Saviq> dandrader, that doesn't really mean it's a prerequisite in qtmir
[16:55] <tsdgeos_> Saviq: mzanetti: greyback_: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dash_backgroud_source_size_rework/+merge/276157
[16:55] <Saviq> dandrader, if unity-api gets rebuilt without no-lifecycle for some reason
[16:55] <Saviq> dandrader, it will build
[16:55] <dandrader> Saviq, yes. but's not the current situation
[16:55] <Saviq> dandrader, but that doesn't mean the qtmir branch has the other as prerequisite, you could say the opposite just as well
[16:56] <Saviq> dandrader, and then, if it happens, we'd need to resubmit again
[16:58] <dandrader> Saviq, the fact is it won't build with the branches mentioned in the checklist. So it should at least mention in the checklist what it needs to build
[17:00] <Saviq> dandrader, truth is the unity-api branches shouldn't be prerequisites either
[17:01] <Saviq> because the only conflicting change there is the changelog, which could be solved easily by having the same change in both
[17:01] <Saviq> but I wasn't fast enough saying that to dednick before he already resubmitted :P
[17:02] <dednick> :)
[17:04] <dandrader> dednick, Saviq so here's the thing: I'm building those branches on my N7 to test them. the *only* way I can do it is by manually merging lp:~mterry/qtmir/no-touch-no-lifecycle on top of dednick's one.
[17:04] <dandrader> becasue unity-api and unity8 also got rebased
[17:05] <Saviq> dandrader, right, I can agree mentioning those in description would be usefuly
[17:05] <Saviq> -y
[17:06] <dednick> dandrader: in which one? qtmir or unity8
[17:06] <Saviq> dandrader, but they kind-of-are, since qtmir/occlude → unity8/occlude → unity8/lifecycle → qtmir/lifecycle ;)
[17:07] <Saviq> dandrader, but sure, I agree, not ideal
[17:07] <dandrader> I know this is just bureaucracy now since all people involved know the situation, but better not make an habit of it. this can get out of hand...
[17:07] <dednick> well i just added it to the mp list
[17:08] <Saviq> dandrader, luckily it's not often we land two unity-api changes in one silo
[17:08] <Saviq> dandrader, and we only made it prereq because they actually conflicted
[17:08] <Saviq> (unity8, that is)
[18:10] <dandrader> mzanetti, ping
[18:12] <mzanetti> dandrader, hey
[18:14] <dandrader> mzanetti, John Lea is tesing the mouse edge push, playing with parameters. But he's suffering with the slow mouse and asked for a way to adjust its speed. was thinking about adding a gsettings option for it so that we apply a multiplier for the relative movement we get from mir. that's as a temporary measure until mir's mouse relative movement has acceleration applied
[18:14] <dandrader> mzanetti, what do you think?
[18:15] <mzanetti> dandrader, what's the ETA on the proper solution?
[18:15] <dandrader> mzanetti, was going to aske anpok about it. but he didn't reply to my ping yet
[18:15] <dandrader> *ask
[18:16] <mzanetti> dandrader, well, you could certainly just put together a testing silo for John with that hack... whether we should land it or not, really depends on anpok's answer
[18:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, so far I'm doing old school and providing debian packages in a .zip + instructions :)
[18:18] <mzanetti> hehe, well, still, for testing that's probably ok... does the mouse have any acceleration atm?
[18:18] <mzanetti> because even if you double the speed, without some progressive acceleration he won't get the real feeling
[18:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, no. that interim solution would just serve to adjust speed. no acceleration at all
[18:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, right
[18:19] <mzanetti> I'd say it depends on him. if he wants to test it right now and is ok with no accel, give him some dpkg's but let's try to get the proper solution prioritized for the landing
[18:21] <dandrader> mzanetti, or, conversely, land the mouse edge push without the fine tuning and only do so once we get proper mouse acceleration from mir
[18:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, maybe it's not worth doing the fine tuning with the mouse the way it is today...
[18:22] <mzanetti> yes, works for me too
[18:22] <mzanetti> that's a good point
[18:41] <anpok> real feel .. hmm
[18:42] <anpok> i even got some push back because the mouse is now too fast.. with libinputs acceleration
[18:43] <anpok> brb swithcing networks
[21:00] <mterry> Saviq, I see you added the timestamp branch to silo 21.  I'll add my shutdown dialog branch back in too then
[21:01] <Saviq> mterry, right, should've done that
[21:02] <ltinkl> mterry, I committed the timezone fixes to the wizard, can you please rebuild the oobe silo? thx
[21:03] <mterry> ltinkl, rebuilding now
[21:40] <mterry> ltinkl, looks like I need to update my branch from trunk.  will do that in a bit and rebuild
[22:17] <mterry> ltinkl, updated my branch and rebuilt the silo.  seems to be building fine so far
[22:17] <ltinkl> mterry, great, thx :)


[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:43] <RikMills> Kinetic Kudu
 Yep
[13:44] <mamarley> Woohoo, is it time to upgrade yet? xD
[13:44] <RikMills> LOL
[13:45] <mamarley> In all seriousness, I usually do upgrade just as soon as the toolchain is uploaded.  That was I can pretend that I use a rolling-release distro.
[13:46] <RikMills> well, the archive doesn't know about it yet
[13:46] <mamarley> Yeah, I've been F5ing that since Thursday…
[13:46] <RikMills> maybe later
[13:46] <RikMills> mamarley: so have I :D
[13:46]  * mamarley needs to get a life, according to some people.
[14:20]  * RikMills creates kinetic git branches :D
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/k-release-schedule/27263
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Did anybody have a chance to look at bug 1969984?
 no
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills: I'd be more than happy to do the legwork if you'd like.
[19:43] <RikMills> if you feel like it, then please do. I honestly have enough on my plate already :/
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Cool. I think the best way to go would be just to copy the Ubuntu Studio theme replacing the Ubuntu Studio logo with the Kubuntu one.
[19:45] <RikMills> as long as we don't lose our glowy logo, then great :)
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> Want it static glowy or in place of a throbber?
[19:47] <RikMills> The current one pulses the glow
[19:47] <RikMills> :D
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Right. I think I can do that. Instead of a spinner like Studio has, it'll be a glowing Kubuntu logo.
[19:48] <RikMills> Kool. Whatever is practical without spending excessive effort
[19:49] <RikMills> nowadays with fast boots, people don't see it for very long anyway!
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: True, unless they have to decrypt.
[19:55] <RikMills> fair point
[19:56] <RikMills> I did wonder the other day if we should just use the breeze Plymouth theme frm KDE
[19:57] <RikMills> right, must go. thanks :)
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> NP. See ya!