[08:44] <andrejz> morning dpm! Love the new stats ;)
[12:00] <kelemengabor> dpm: hi, do you happen to know what's going on with the evolution and e-d-s imports? the pot files were imported just fine, but the po files didn't appeared in the import queue, which is btw full with old po files in needs review status
[12:01] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/evolution/+imports
[12:01] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/evolution-data-server/+imports
[12:02] <dpm> kelemengabor, hm, I don't know, they all look like old imports to me
[12:03] <kelemengabor> yeah, but where are the more recent ones?
[12:05] <dpm> kelemengabor, they should either be imported through the imports queue (imported entries are removed from the queue view after 3 days iirc) or through imports sharing
[12:05] <dpm> assuming all went well, of course :)
[12:06] <dpm> actually, if all went well, they should have been imported through sharing from the evolution upstream trunk branch in LP
[12:06] <dpm> and only the POT template should have been imported through the Ubuntu imports queue
[12:07] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/evolution/+pots/evolution/hu/+translate?show=untranslated
[12:07] <kelemengabor>          1                    →           10                  of         143         results
[12:07] <kelemengabor> doesn't look like all went well
[12:08] <kelemengabor> there should be about 0 untranslated strings
[12:09] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/evolution/+sharing-details
[12:09] <kelemengabor> now this is an interesting message
[12:09] <kelemengabor> No upstream templates have been found yet. Please follow the import process by going to the Translation Import Queue of the upstream project series.
[12:10] <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah, looking at it, it seems that evo is not set up for message sharing (it's all set up, only the translations for the upstream project need to be activated)
[12:10] <dpm> however, if they are not activated, then PO+POT files should be imported through the Ubuntu imports queue
[12:11] <dpm> so, I'd recommend looking at the date of the last upload and at the PO files the source package of that upload contained
[12:11] <kelemengabor> I saw that the pot file was imported, but nothing else
[12:11] <kelemengabor> and the new strings are indeed there
[12:12] <dpm> kelemengabor, when was the upload?
[12:12] <kelemengabor> umm... sometime last week, I guess
[12:13] <kelemengabor> 2011-09-26
[12:13] <kelemengabor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/evolution-data-server
[12:13] <kelemengabor> and 2011-09-27 for evolution
[12:15] <dpm> kelemengabor, then most likely the entries have been removed from the queue after being imported (I'm being optimistic here). There are no traces of the imported POT or PO files in the queue
[12:15] <dpm> let me check the source package
[12:20] <dpm> in the meantime, and on the positive side, we've now got translations stats updated daily with real data at http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.10-translation-stats.html
[12:21] <dpm> from now on, the stats of all supported versions should be updated daily
[12:27] <dpm> kelemengabor, I'll have to ask on #launchpad, I cannot figure out where the PO files went
[12:37] <kelemengabor> dpm: thanks
[12:38] <kelemengabor> and this list is awesome :)
[12:40] <dpm> :)
[12:41] <kelemengabor> why is evolution not listed as partially untranslated for Hungarian? it has quite a few strings left
[12:42] <dpm> kelemengabor, I've just noticed it as well :). I'll have to investigate
[14:42] <andrejz> hello
[14:42] <andrejz> can someone confirm a bug for me
[14:42] <andrejz> kelemengabor you there?
[14:43] <kelemengabor> yep
[14:43] <kelemengabor> what's the problem?
[14:43] <andrejz> when using unity dash and searching
[14:44] <andrejz> applications and "files and folders" are not translated
[14:44] <andrejz> i have all the latest updates
[14:45] <kelemengabor> I don't have unity, only unity-2d
[14:46] <andrejz> oh, ok
[14:51] <kelemengabor> hm, those strings are from the lenses, and they are untranslated for me too
[14:52] <andrejz> is there a bug reported about this that you are aware
[14:53] <kelemengabor> I don't remember of any
[14:54] <andrejz> ok, then i can report it
[15:08] <andrejz> kelemengabor, which unity lens should it be reported against
[15:08] <Jessica_Lily> dpm I haven't been able to catch you for a while but … na'vi got rejected from glibc
[15:08] <Jessica_Lily> I'm not sure what the next step is
[15:09] <dpm> andrejz, I guess you can report it against unity itself
[15:09] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, hi
[15:09] <Jessica_Lily> hey :)
[15:09] <dpm> yeah, I saw it. I'm wondering if it might be worth adding it to Ubuntu nevertheless, sort of what we did on Klingon
[15:10] <dpm> I haven't read the comments for a while
[15:10] <dpm> did you comment something along those lines on the Ubuntu bug?
[15:10] <dpm> If the maintainer (pitti) agrees, perhaps that might be the way to go
[15:11] <kelemengabor> oh yes, the strings are in .ini files, which need either inline translations, or a [Desktop Entry] group using X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain and listing the translatable Name, Description, Comment or GenericName key, having these keys under another group, as all the lenses do it now, won't work
[15:11] <kelemengabor> andrejz: bad news: against all of them
[15:11] <Jessica_Lily> dpm yep, i can link you to the bug if you want
[15:11] <dpm> and if it works out and there are lots of Na'vi translations, perhaps that might give some more momentum for upstream to consider accepting it
[15:11] <Jessica_Lily> yer
[15:11] <Jessica_Lily> well i have a few in the na'vi community willing to translate
[15:12] <kelemengabor> unity-lens-files, unity-lens-applications, unity-lens-music and gwibber has a lens too
[15:12] <Jessica_Lily> https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/831976 @ dpm
[15:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 831976 in langpack-locales (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Addition of Na'vi Language (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[15:12] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, it's fine, thanks, I've got the link on my e-mail :) I'd suggest talking to pitti, either on IRC, through the bug comments or via e-mail (feel free to CC me), to see how he feels about including it in Ubuntu
[15:13] <Jessica_Lily> i'll see if he's on IRC first
[15:13] <Jessica_Lily> hmm he's away and been idle for nearly 3 days
[15:14] <kelemengabor> dpm: I almost forgot, but I dug out something interesting about the klingon locale: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/libx11/oneiric/revision/54#debian/patches/101_klingon_locale_alias.diff
[15:14] <andrejz> @kelemengabor, dpm - https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/865430
[15:14] <kelemengabor> no good news for na'vi
[15:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 865430 in unity "Categories "Applications" and "Files and folders" are untranslated (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[15:15] <andrejz> hm, ok, so i need to assign this bug to different lenses too
[15:15] <dpm> oh, it seems Klingon was dropped, then
[15:15] <Jessica_Lily> klingon is still there isn't it ?
[15:16] <kelemengabor> Jessica_Lily: unfortunately, no
[15:16] <Jessica_Lily> what was the reason for dropping it?
[15:18] <Jessica_Lily> its still got an option in launchpad to translate oneiric into it
[15:18] <Jessica_Lily> and by the looks of things people have been
[15:18] <Jessica_Lily> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/tlh
[15:28] <kelemengabor> Jessica_Lily: this is why Debian rejected the libx11 patch: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581524 and this is why glibc will reject anything that's not spoken by lots of real people: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4086
[15:28] <ubot4> Debian bug 581524 in libx11 "libx11: Latin and Klingon locales" [Wishlist,Open]
[15:31] <kelemengabor> Also, it seems to me that the Klingon translation was nothing more than a joke from the beginning: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-tlh
[15:34] <Jessica_Lily> hmm i don't know, just because they put a whimsical statement on their page doesn't mean they don't take what they do seriously?
[15:36] <kelemengabor> well, the fact that the two members of that team are Canonicals programmer-halfgods says everything about their seriousness to me
[15:37] <andrejz> kelemengabor : amount of translated strings also says something :)
[15:41] <kelemengabor> so I think this is where it is wiser for you to give up this effort. I don't mean to mock or hurt you, but klingons and na'vis are "just a TV-show", and we are here to translate Ubuntu for real people, who could not use it otherwise. I'm sure that you could find some other areas to help Ubuntu and its users, who are not fictional.
[15:44] <Jessica_Lily> kelemengabor I won't give up
[15:44] <Jessica_Lily> if needs must i will write a script users can run to give them a some patched packages and pull of a 3rd party translation site
[15:45] <Jessica_Lily> but i'd prefer launchpad to allow it as that'd be the best option
[15:47] <Jessica_Lily> kelemengabor i understand where you're coming from and there are bigger priorities but this would be nice to be able to accept
[16:04] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, let me try to talk to the maintainers and come back to you
[16:04] <Jessica_Lily> okay, thanks :)
[16:05] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, but just to set expectations, be aware that the answer might be the same as kelemengabor's. Btw, thanks Gabor for the honest feedback
[16:06] <dpm> especially now that klingon support has been dropped :/
[16:06] <Jessica_Lily> mmm, its a shame its been dropped
[16:07] <Jessica_Lily> i wish it had more support, if i knew klingon i would have helped translate
[16:07] <Jessica_Lily> unfortunately i don't xD
[16:17] <dpm> :)
[16:27] <Jessica_Lily> like i said failing that i'll just have to write a script to patch it


[07:35] <Tinix> is here Md
[07:36] <AlexExtreme> if you want Md PM him
[07:38] <Tinix> what lenguage use this channel
[07:39] <Tinix> ok
[07:40] <Tinix> I am looking for aid of the staff of freenode
[07:40] <Tinix> I lost my password and I want to recover it
[07:41] <AlexExtreme> then don't ask here, simple
[07:41] <AlexExtreme> type /stats p and PM one of the people in that list
[07:42] <Tinix> I did it and the result is that "Md" belongs to the staff
[07:43] <Tinix> thus I ask in this channel for Md
[07:43] <Tinix> this clear\u2026 this subject
[07:44] <Tinix> this clear... this subject
[07:44] <Tinix> ok arrivederci stranzate ci vediamo pronto
[07:45] <mbiebl> ;-)
[07:50] <Md> sorry, I am implementing a workaround for this
[07:50] <ion_> Its not your fault. :-)
[07:59] <Md> now another channel will appear in /who


[00:32] <wolf_> anyone know how to make mythbuntu cover the top and bottum panels in Ubuntu 9.04 using gnome?
[00:47] <rothgar> Hey guys, I wanted to congradulate everyone that worked on the 9.04 release. Thanks so much for all you hard work (it is greatly appriciated).
[00:47] <rothgar> I also have 2 questions for you on my new install
[00:50] <rothgar> I have a Aopen mp945-dr and the remote doesn't work. I got it working in ubuntu 8.10 by compiling lirc but I seem to have a problem compiling it this time around (I am still working on it). I also have a problem with the volume being REALLY quite. I turned the xfce volume all the way up and mythtv's volume all the way up but I still need to have my TV at ~60 to even here the sound. From my cable box I am usually fine with the so
[00:52] <Lossif> in regards to the sound is it digital out?
[00:52] <Lossif> if so you might want to try unmuting it in alsamixer
[00:52] <rothgar> no, the box has the option for digital out but I just plugged into the analog 1/8 -> rca cable
[00:52] <Lossif> (I had a similar prob)
[00:53] <Lossif> maybe turn  off the option to control sound with the myth?
[00:53] <rothgar> I am not familiar with xfce at all, I added a sound button to the top bar but is there a better place to check if digital is muted?
[00:56] <Lossif> I am not to familiar with analog out (only ever used digital out myself) but when you set up the myth  to output digital out you can tell it to turn off the machine control of the sound... maybe you can do the same with analog and just control the sound from the speakers?
[01:06] <rothgar> looks like I was able to change the output device from ALSA:analog to ALSA:default (or /dev/dsp) and the sound is louder. Not as loud as my cable box but managable
[01:34] <bopferman> Hello, i have just updated to 9.04 and I no longer have 3d acceleration.  I have an intel integrated 82865G
[01:35] <Shadow__X> well theres your problem
[01:36] <Shadow__X> if it aint broken dont fix it
[01:38] <bobbob1016> I have mythbuntu ibex, with mplayer and coreavc.  How can I keep my coreavc mplayer through an upgrade to jaunty?
[01:39] <superm1> bobbob1016, you need to use apt pinning
[01:39] <superm1> google for it
[01:40] <superm1> assuming you built your mplayer/coreavc is properly packaged
[01:40] <superm1> if not, then you are at your wim and have a better idea how you installed it than we do
[01:40] <Shadow__X> why upgrade?
[01:41] <bobbob1016> superm1: I heard about it before, thanks for reminding me.  Do I need to pin Wine too, since iirc mplayer w/coreavc uses wine.
[01:41] <Shadow__X> it does?
[01:41] <superm1> bobbob1016, i dont think that newer wine versions break anyway
[01:41] <superm1> wine in 9.04 should work fine...
[01:42] <bobbob1016> Shadow__X: I needed it somewhere, although I doubt it is using it to playback
[01:43] <bobbob1016> I'm hoping that 9.10 will have the better UI, and I want to do 9.04 then 9.10, less to break all at once if I want to go to 9.04 then .10 six months later, instead of .04 then .10 at the same time
[01:43] <bobbob1016> By new UI I mean the myth .22 new UI
[01:43] <Shadow__X> lol
[01:43] <Shadow__X> no .22 isnt released yet
[01:44] <bobbob1016> Shadow__X: I'm hoping by 9.10 it will be, as I said
[01:44] <Shadow__X> i dont think there are new features in mythbuntu 9.04
[01:44] <Shadow__X> well that all depends on mythtv
[01:44] <Shadow__X> if its ready
[01:45] <bobbob1016> Shadow__X: I never at any point said it was anyone but myth's decision if .22 is 6 months out.  I just said "hope"
[01:45] <Shadow__X> i know
[01:46] <Shadow__X> just you are upgrading for the sake of it
[01:46] <bobbob1016> Shadow__X: I'm trying to convince myself that I need it so I have 6 months to play with .04 before I go to .10
[01:47] <Shadow__X> ok then
[01:48] <bobbob1016> And 9.04 runs great on this machine.  Tried KDE4.2 and it seems unstable like it was on 8.10, but apart from that, seems fine
[01:48] <squish103> any tips after an upgrade (click upgrade) to 9.04 i cannot boot anymore.. my root fs was lvm2 :(
[01:49] <squish103> drops me to a shell. so i plan to boot livecd, install lvm2, try mount vg's, then chroot to them, then run apt-get install lvm2 in there again
[01:52] <bopferman> I just upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10 to 9.04 and I am having issues watching tv and videos in myth.
[01:53] <bopferman> any ideas?
[01:54] <xrothgarx> did you collect/look at your logs?
[01:54] <Shadow__X> what kind of "issues"
[01:54] <bopferman> i dont get any video.
[01:54] <bopferman> but i do get sound
[01:54] <bopferman> where are the logs?
[01:54] <Shadow__X> /var/logs
[01:55] <bopferman> and it also takes serveral seconds to refresh the option pages.
[01:55] <xrothgarx> if you don't want to browse to that you can go to utilities/setup -> then mythbuntu logs
[01:55] <xrothgarx> you have the option either view the logs or upload them for someone else to look at them :)
[01:58] <bopferman> im not sure which file to look at
[02:03] <bopferman> i have pasted my log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/158925/
[02:07] <bopferman> do you guys have any idea?
[02:09] <bopferman> I can get into the tv, but it is realllllllly laggy
[02:09] <bopferman> it didnt used to be
[02:13] <bopferman> I think it is a 3d acceleration problem, but I have the intel driver installed.
[02:13] <squish103> could someone give me a tip pls. livecd booted, apt-get install lvm2, mkdir /mnt/oldrootlv, vgchange -a y, mount /dev/mapper/rootvg /mnt/oldrootvg, mount /dev/sda1 /boot, chroot /mnt/oldroot, apt-get install lvm2 BUT it cannot get to repository!
[02:14] <squish103> i cannot ping anything inside chroot?
[02:21] <mysphyt> Hey, folks.  This is exhausting: I'm trying to configure LIRC, and something's being done for me somewhere by Ubuntu--essentially, even without LIRC running, I get some remote input.  Since I don't know where it's coming from, I can't configure it.  :/
[02:34] <bopferman> I just updated to 9.04 and I cant play videos.  I get the following error.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/158946/
[02:38] <Technophil> inadequate resources....
[02:39] <bopferman> it worked before...
[02:40] <hads> VLC?
[02:40] <squish103> what is the best disk setup for mythbuntu or what comes out the box? any lvm options?
[02:43] <hads> I don't think it does LVM out of the box, but you can just leave free space of course.
[02:44] <squish103> i think i learnt my leason having an lvm for root
[02:44] <squish103> think i am going to leave the lvm for the storage/recordings directories
[03:05] <hads> You don't need it with storage groups
[03:31] <MythbuntuGuest28> Has anyone else had trouble with mythbuntu 9.04 and pulseaudio?
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest28> LiveTV in Mythfrontend crashes when I try to switch to the NTSC tuner in my HVR-1600, and the logs suggest that the problem is with pulseaudio
[03:40] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest28, update to the -fixes weekly builds
[03:41] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest28, there are some fixes that suspend pulse audio
[03:58] <MythbuntuGuest28> cool
[03:58] <MythbuntuGuest28> thanks
[03:59] <Shadow__X> and remember to keep spelling correct right superm1
[04:57] <map7> I'm having trouble with setting up diskless clients, can anyone here help?
[04:57] <map7> I'm using mythbuntu 904
[04:57] <map7> here is the error I get on my PXE boot machine: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/mb414123
[05:25] <Essobi> Sup..
[05:27]  * map7 is away: Auto-away after 30 mins idle (gone at 27th Apr, 14:25:52)
[05:28] <hads> Sush
[06:15] <Essobi> heh.. rebuilt mythbuntu plugins mythvodka packages.. we'll see how well this works
[06:15] <Essobi> err..
[06:15] <Essobi> heh.. rebuilt mythbuntu plugins with mythvodka .. we'll see how well this works, even..
[09:06] <Technophil> Has anyone here run up a Nova-T-500 in Mythbuntu 9.04?  I can't seem to get the /etc/modprobe.d/options fix of "options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1" to work and enable scanning / registering tables.
[09:07] <Technophil> I also get "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/options, it will be ignored in a future release."
[09:08] <Technophil> I also tried "/etc/modprobe.d/options.conf"
[14:05] <superm1> Technophil, so once you renamed it to options.conf, you need to reboot, or reload the modules
[14:05] <superm1> you did that right?
[16:45] <Essobi> Hmm.. if I reinstall mythtv-database packages I get an error about my password being incorrect.. anyone know off the top where the mysql logins are stored, and why re-installing does that?
[16:52] <superm1> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[16:52] <superm1> !mysql | Essobi
[16:52] <Zinn> Essobi: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[16:53] <superm1> basically those 3 commands will let you reset any and all mysql passwords that are stored
[17:20] <Essobi> Zinn: It sets the root password somewhere automagically, with a random on install I believe..
[17:21] <tgm4883> Essobi, follow the steps Zinn provided, it will reset your root password
[17:22] <Essobi> tgm4883: Ah, roger that.
[17:24] <Essobi> Soooooo... Or local cable uses the Motorola type sets... Any suggestions for a capture card for HD/standard capturing?
[17:26] <superm1> Essobi, the default install sets the root password to your user password
[17:26] <superm1> root mysql password that is
[17:26] <superm1> hmph. that was supposed to make it "less" confusing
[17:26] <tgm4883> Essobi, firewire?
[17:27] <superm1> not sure if it is doing it's job
[17:27] <Essobi> tgm4883: Umm. firwire is available on the DVR models..
[17:27] <tgm4883> Essobi, are you in the US?
[17:28] <Essobi> tgm4883: Yea.. From what I understand thou, the firewire isn't able to capture all the streams available..
[17:28] <Essobi> tgm4883: (yea, im in the US)
[17:28] <tgm4883> Essobi, then any HD box you have should have active firewire
[17:28] <tgm4883> and no, it can't capture DRM'd streams
[17:28] <tgm4883> so
[17:28] <tgm4883> then you need the HD-PVR, and you need to run 0.22
[17:29] <Essobi> Umm.. so what if I want to capture everything reguardless of what it is?  shouldn't a capture card do that?
[17:29] <Essobi> Oh..
[17:29] <Essobi> nevermind.. I assumes HD-PVR was software.. it's the haupp card isn't it?
[17:30] <tgm4883> yes
[17:32] <Essobi> tgm4883: There's no packages for 0.22, eh?
[17:32] <tgm4883> Essobi, you need to install the weekly builds
[17:32] <tgm4883> !weekly
[17:32] <Zinn> Weekly builds are available for MythTV 0.21 (Stable) and MythTV Trunk 0.22 (Unstable, use at your own RISK) for Hardy and Intrepid.  See http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds for more info.
[17:32] <Essobi> Roger that..
[17:33] <Essobi> Jebus... HD-PVR is pricey.
[17:36] <tgm4883> 209 at newegg
[17:39] <Essobi> I'd really like to put a seperate frontend machine on each of my TVs, and have two or three streams available on the backend box..
[17:39] <tgm4883> you probably need 1-2 hd-pvr's then, depending on the channels you like to watch
[17:40] <Essobi> yea... that's what I was thinking... quickly becoming cost prohibitive...
[17:41] <Essobi> A nice 4x4 HDMI matrix switch would be lovely too..
[17:42] <Guest63254> hi folks
[17:42] <barney_1> I'm interested in squashing a bug.  I wanted to confirm the package I should be working on.
[17:43] <tgm4883> ok
[17:43] <tgm4883> barney_1, what bug
[17:43] <barney_1> I'm trying to fix password handling on the install cd... is the package I should be looking in: ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu?
[17:44] <barney_1> specific bug is: #363153
[17:45] <barney_1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/363153
[17:46] <Essobi> tgm4883: OOOooooo.
[17:46] <tgm4883> superm1, ^^^
[17:46] <Essobi> tgm4883: http://www.firefold.com/2-x-4-HDMI-Matrix-Switch-Rack-Mountable-P1919C131.aspx  <--- It's serial controlable. :)
[17:47] <tgm4883> Essobi, ok, but what does that do for you
[17:47] <tgm4883> barney_1, I think thats the right package, but i'm not familiar enough with that bug
[17:48] <barney_1> That's good enought to me.
[17:48] <barney_1> I just wanted to make sure someone didn't know for sure that it's the WRONG place to look.
[17:48] <barney_1> thanks
[17:48] <Essobi> tgm4883: Heh.. Can put all the frontend boxes, XBOX360, etc in one closet, and watch them on any TV in the house..
[17:49] <Essobi> wonder what the range on a 360 controller is.. heh.
[17:49] <tgm4883> Essobi, 30 Ft
[17:49] <tgm4883> and i'm not sure I'd want a 360 in a closet
[17:49] <Essobi> hehe, about the same as my bluetooth remote for my myth setup too..
[17:50] <Essobi> tgm4883: Fair enough... little kids around the house thou.... would prefer a way to keep them away from my expensive gear..
[17:51] <Essobi> tgm4883: But yea... being able to selectively replicate 2 inputs to any of the 4 output simultaneously is nice..
[17:51] <Essobi> Two frontends viewable on 4 screens in any combination..
[17:52] <tgm4883> yea, just make sure you have enough cooling in that closet
[17:52] <Essobi> lol, no kiddin
[17:53] <Essobi> thinking since it has direct attic space, to run it off the the side of the house with a vent..
[17:53] <Essobi> There's already a in-ceiling speaker system wired in..
[17:54] <Essobi> considering running that to mpd or somesuch...
[17:58] <superm1> hi barney_1, great thanks for helping out
[17:58] <superm1> barney_1, have you used bzr before?
[17:59] <superm1> if so, you'll want to checkout lp:ubiquity to get the latest branch
[17:59] <superm1> barney_1, for the purposes of debugging though, you probably want to run ubiquity in debug mode to get debug logs and see where it is really hanging (ubiquity -d)
[18:01] <barney_1> superm1, thanks... I've been reading the devweek logs from earlier this year.  I know there's one that covers bzr so I'll read through it and get started.
[18:01] <superm1> barney_1, yeah, the jist of it is: apt-get install bzr; bzr get lp:ubiquity
[18:02] <superm1> when you are ready to submit a patch, can teach you how to commit it and push that branch to launchpad and what not
[18:02] <barney_1> I just submitted my first debdiff on sunday... That was a problem with spaces in path names... I think this is probably a similar problem.  (that other one was bug #366607)
[18:02] <Zinn> Bug 366607 in usb-imagewriter (Ubuntu) "Doesn't work, if path to .img file contains spaces." [Undecided, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/366607
[18:03] <superm1> barney_1, ubiquity is quite a complex beast. fortunately enough, I can point you to a good starting point and rule out a lot of ubiquity code
[18:03] <barney_1> I believe I did it right... and asked for sponsorship
[18:03] <superm1> barney_1, so once you get the bzr branch checked out, look in scripts/mythbuntu at mythbuntu_install.py
[18:03] <superm1> that's what walks through and does all of the installation after you answer questions in the installer
[18:04] <superm1> it inherits a lot of functionality from scripts/install.py (the regular ubuntu installer), so you'd probably bounce back and forth between the two a bunch
[18:04] <barney_1> I'm actually looking at that file as we speak (still need to check out the bzr though)
[18:04] <superm1> cool on your first debdiff tho :) always exciting to contribute for the first time
[18:09] <Essobi> tgm4883: Umm.. So why an HD-PVR instead of a HVR-1250?
[18:10] <Essobi> Or an 1800 even..
[18:17] <Essobi> Oh... It's an actual HD capture box...
[18:18] <Essobi> not a tuner...
[18:18] <Essobi> sup mike
[18:20] <mike_764> well... can't figure out how to change my nick back to barney_1
[18:20] <mike_764> switched computers
[18:20] <Essobi> hehe
[18:20] <Essobi> Umm.
[18:21] <Essobi> I think barney_1 is still on here... that's why
[18:21] <mike_764> yeah... I should be able to ghost it right?  Can't get it to work though
[18:21] <tgm4883> Essobi, because you won't get encrypted channels with a hvr-1250
[18:22] <Essobi> tgm4883: Yea.. I just figured that out.. Heh.
[18:22] <Essobi> In the US, the Motion Picture Association of America has requested that the Federal Communications Commission allow providers to selectively disable the component outputs of their devices when showing recently released movies. <-- Has any US cable providers acutally done that yet?
[18:22] <barney_1> there we go
[18:36] <MythbuntuGuest76> Greetings, all. I've waited a few days... I've seen nothing really scarry so far. Should I upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 or should I backup and install from scratch? Nvidia Graphics, Intel CPU, HDTV-5500. Thanks!
[18:38] <Essobi> My f'ing laptop dropped the wireless link mid upgrade on mine and hosed the install.. I had to go back and do a scratch 9.04 install, which was okay.. since I had no media loaded yet, save DVD I had just ripped to play with it..
[18:38] <Essobi> so *SHRUG*
[18:38] <MythbuntuGuest76> Ouch. I think I'll stay wired if I upgrade :)
[18:38] <Essobi> Good idea..
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest76> Knowing my luck the power will fail or something :)
[18:39] <Essobi> hehehe
[18:42] <barney_1> superm1: Can you lay the ubiquity-mythtbuntu-frontend url on me... I'm having trouble finding it.
[18:43] <barney_1> superm1: ps- I didn't realize bzr was just another versioning system... I'm used to SVN and CVS so shouldn't be too much to learn
[18:56] <superm1> barney_1, lp:ubiquity is the bzr url
[18:56] <superm1> you can see it on the internets at http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk too
[18:57] <superm1> barney_1, and yeah, bzr is incredibly easy to use, especially for just submitting a branch for patches or features
[18:57] <barney_1> so I can just check out the ubiquity trunk.. there's not branch that is mythbuntu specific?
[18:58] <superm1> barney_1, everything that is mythbuntu specific is merged into trunk
[18:58] <superm1> by being part of trunk, we see all the normal installer changes that we need to adjust because of
[18:59] <tafkaz_73> hi everyone. i just updated to jaunty, and now when i restart the box (combined backend/frontend) it'll not have any scheduled recordings. i will have to restart the backend manually then and everything works fine again
[19:00] <tafkaz_73> maybe mythtv starts before mysql but i cant say
[19:00] <barney_1> superm1: great... thanks for your help
[19:00] <tafkaz_73> looks fine in the init scripts
[19:00] <tafkaz_73> i have a mythbackend log
[19:00] <superm1> tafkaz_73, check the backend log after startup for anything that looks informative to the failure
[19:00] <tafkaz_73> maybe you could have alook
[19:00] <tafkaz_73> http://pastebin.com/d681976a5
[19:01] <tafkaz_73> its pretty informative i guess, but i dont think i get it
[19:01] <tafkaz_73> when i restart mythbackend everythings back to normal
[19:01] <superm1> looks like the msyql server is probably having troubles at startup then?
[19:02] <superm1> can you try to maybe repair/optimize tables
[19:02] <tafkaz_73> i could moment
[19:02] <superm1> and see if it starts up any quicker
[19:02] <superm1> and look at mysql logs to see if there is anything it complains at startup
[19:02] <superm1> barney_1, np.   glad to get more contributors to mythbuntu - especially ubiquity :)
[19:03] <tafkaz_73>  will usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl do the job ?
[19:03] <tafkaz_73> or did you have other things in mind
[19:05] <tafkaz_73> optimization didnt help
[19:05] <tafkaz_73> now lets see the mysql logs
[19:06] <tafkaz_73> theyR'e all empty
[19:07] <tafkaz_73> i will use my old my.cnf and see what happens
[19:09] <tafkaz_73> allthough it seems pretty much the same
[19:15] <Essobi> tgm4883: Mmm... Maybe I can use a combination of the moto firewire and a HD-PVR.... Need to check which of my channels are 5Ced
[19:21] <tafkaz_73> mysql log looks good
[19:23] <tafkaz_73> could it be that mysql is not yet ready when myth starts to need it?
[19:36] <barney_1> tafkaz and superm1: Could this be related to the mysqld bug #326768
[19:36] <Zinn> Bug 326768 in mythbuntu "mysqld_safe thinks mysqld has crashed when it hasn't" [Critical, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/326768
[19:37] <tafkaz_73> we're working on a fix...give a sev
[19:38] <tafkaz_73> sec
[19:40] <tafkaz_73> for now i can say that it helps a lot to hold mythtv-backend from starting in runlevel 2
[19:56] <tafkaz_73> for all i understand this is not a duplicate of the bug #326768
[19:56] <Zinn> Bug 326768 in mythbuntu "mysqld_safe thinks mysqld has crashed when it hasn't" [Critical, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/326768
[19:57] <tafkaz_73> all i have to do to make it work again, is to make mythbackend not start in rl 2
[19:57] <tafkaz_73> so mysql has the time to open up properly
[19:58] <tafkaz_73> after i did that everythings good
[19:58] <tafkaz_73> so what happens is
[19:58] <tafkaz_73> mythbackend wants to connect to mysql, mysql is not yet ready, mythbackend has problems starting but mysql starts absolutely flawless
[19:59] <K-A-R-R> HELP HOW I INSTALL MYTHUBUNTU
[20:06] <barney_1> K-A-R-R: Visit this link and download the install manual: http://www.mythbuntu.org/installation_manual
[20:11] <tafkaz_73> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/368145
[20:12] <barney_1> my oh my, checkout from bzr takes forever!
[20:13] <nurettin> i have got no sound problem
[20:13] <nurettin> Zinn: no sound
[20:14] <nurettin> mythtv cant capture line in sound.
[20:14] <barney_1> tafkaz_73: Your bug sounds EXACTLY like the problem I have been having.  I don't get corruption in the database.  I just don't have any recording schedule unless I restart the backend.
[20:15] <barney_1> tafkaz_73: This is not reliably reproducable for me.
[20:15] <tafkaz_73> just try the workaround
[20:15] <tafkaz_73> take mythbackend out of init 2
[20:15] <tafkaz_73> what's it doing there anyway?
[20:15] <tafkaz_73> who wants to use myth in rl2???
[20:16] <barney_1> I don't know what rl2 is.. sorry
[20:16] <tafkaz_73> runlevel 2
[20:16] <tafkaz_73> you're familiar with linux ?
[20:16] <tafkaz_73> do following:
[20:16] <barney_1> right... I am familiar with linux... just not runlevels
[20:16] <tafkaz_73> ok
[20:17] <tafkaz_73> :-)
[20:17] <tafkaz_73> i used sysv-rc-conf
[20:17] <barney_1> rebooting now to see if I can reproduce the issue
[20:17] <tafkaz_73> which is an easy way to quickly change runlevel config
[20:17] <barney_1> yep... my recording schedule is gone.
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> ok...no get rid of mythbackend in runlevel 2
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> do this:
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> and then sudo sysv-rc-conf
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> easy
[20:18] <tafkaz_73> then scroll down to the myth entries
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> mythtv-backend and mythtv-status
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> and go to the X for runlevel 2
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> just press space to toggle
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> and when you're done q for quit
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> then restart
[20:19] <barney_1> I only have mythtv-backend
[20:19] <tafkaz_73> be careful to only change these entries plz
[20:19] <barney_1> right
[20:20] <tafkaz_73> ok than you dont have status installed
[20:20] <tafkaz_73> np
[20:20] <barney_1> rebooting now
[20:20] <Essobi> Anyone using a satellite source in the US?  I'm wondering if it's plagued with 5C and etc...
[20:21] <barney_1> tafkaz_73: that seems to have broken mythweb "unable to connect to the master backend at <IP_ADDRESS>:6543 Is it running?"
[20:22] <tafkaz_73> hm mom
[20:22] <tafkaz_73> no that should work
[20:22] <tafkaz_73> is your schedules back then
[20:22] <tafkaz_73> ah i see
[20:22] <tafkaz_73> you cant look up
[20:23] <tafkaz_73> moment...
[20:23] <barney_1> looks like backend is not running now
[20:23] <tafkaz_73> do sysv-rc-conf again
[20:23] <tafkaz_73> this is how the line looks here
[20:23] <barney_1> I have X in 3,4,5
[20:24] <tafkaz_73> thats good
[20:24] <tafkaz_73> hold on a sec
[20:25] <tafkaz_73> /sbin/runlevel
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> barney_1, try to reach mythweb again plz
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> maybe it just takes a longer time
[20:27] <barney_1>  nope...nada
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> odd
[20:27] <tafkaz_73> /sbin/runlevel ?
[20:27] <barney_1> I've got to leave for work very soon.  I'm going to switch back and reboot.
[20:28] <freebeer> Anyone knows how to enable TV-out (post-install) on mythbuntu?
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> feel free to join at the bug
[20:28] <barney_1> when I type: /sbin/runlevel yeilds: N 2
[20:28] <tafkaz_73> so it does here
[20:29] <barney_1> changed back, reboot... no recording schedules
[20:29] <barney_1> restart backend: schedules reappear
[20:29] <tafkaz_73> weird
[20:30] <barney_1> yeah... I'm going to have to put in a script that restarts the backend on login
[20:30] <barney_1> what a horrible hack!
[20:30] <tafkaz_73> no....i thiink you should join with the bug report
[20:30] <barney_1> I've also been experiencing ext4 freeze bug
[20:31] <tafkaz_73> and try to play with the runlevels again
[20:31] <barney_1> when deleting recordings
[20:31] <tafkaz_73> i dont use ext4
[20:31] <tafkaz_73> xfs
[20:31] <barney_1> I switched over when I upgraded
[20:33] <tafkaz_73> plz join https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/368145 barney_1
[20:33] <tafkaz_73> its definitely the same issue
[20:39] <Essobi> barney_1: yea.. ext4 is still sketchy for production I'm told..
[20:43] <freebeer> TV-out on Nvidia 6200... Anyone?
[20:46] <tafkaz_73> i was just about to help him
[20:46] <tafkaz_73> and now he's gon
[20:49] <rhpot1991> tafkaz_73: welcome to IRC :)
[20:49] <tafkaz_73> hehe
[20:49] <tafkaz_73> i have the same card and just about a week ago i had my old tv
[20:49] <tafkaz_73> so i have a working xorg.conf
[20:49] <tafkaz_73> well....never mind
[21:08] <BaZiL> Hi .. want to ask a question . if i update my mythbuntu even if it says that it doesnt have a driver for my nvidia card ? .. is that safe , can i go back if it doesnt successeed ? .. or should i stay with the version i have installed ?
[22:34] <shedder> can I use myth tv to play divx files that are stored on my windows box??
[22:36] <hads> Yes
[22:37] <shedder> tyvery much
[23:06] <barney_1> Anyone have advice on how to test the Ubiquity package?  Do I need to package it as CD image to test changes I make to the source?
[23:15] <tgm4883> barney_1, you could load up the live cd and then get your package on there and install it, then run through the installer
[23:18] <barney_1> tgm4883: So you mean boot to the live-cd.  Then mount a drive and use ubiquity from that drive?
[23:19] <barney_1> I have compiled the package (./configure, make, sudo make install) but I don't see an executable for the package... any hint?
[23:51] <tgm4883> barney_1, hmm
[23:53] <tgm4883> barney_1, if you can build a .deb of it, then you should be able to install (upgrade) the package in the live environment