[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> If I wanted to fix some of those many bugs. How your I go about it?
[00:19] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: You'd have to have TeX Live 2009 installed, download the lucid-e2 branch from bzr, and then start editing.
[00:20] <godbyk> Don't just take the bug reporters' words for it, though.  They may not always be right. :)
[00:20] <godbyk> (Technically, you don't need TL2009, but it's good to test that it compiles successfully before you commit.)
[00:21] <ChrisWoollard> I know they might not be accurate.
[00:21] <ChrisWoollard> But at least they have spent the effort finding things
[00:23] <ChrisWoollard> What do you do after editing? That is the bit I am unsure of?
[00:23] <godbyk> Save the file, commit it to bzr, and push.
[00:23] <godbyk> Do you know how to use bzr?
[00:23] <ChrisWoollard> Not to much but I have read http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[00:24] <ChrisWoollard> And i have managed to get the manual from bzr ok before
[00:24] <Zeike> What is the location to push revisions too?  I've just done some bug-fixes
[00:27] <Zeike> bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual, yes?
[00:28] <godbyk> Zeike: yes.
[00:28] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: the basic workflow is:
[00:28] <godbyk> bzr pull
[00:28] <godbyk> make edits
[00:28] <godbyk> bzr pull (again)
[00:28] <godbyk> bzr commit
[00:28] <godbyk> bzr push
[00:28] <godbyk> lather, rinse, repeat.
[00:29] <ChrisWoollard> I assume that that second bzr pull is the collect updated revisions before commiting
[00:30] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: yep
[00:30] <godbyk> make sure that, if a pull modifies a file you've been working on, it didn't screw something up.
[00:31] <ChrisWoollard> thanks. that is useful.
[00:31] <ChrisWoollard> That makes sense/
[00:39] <ChrisWoollard> Night All.....
[01:31] <Zeike> On page 121 there is a nice chart of the standard files directories with a quick introduction.  Is it planned to add a complete description of what most of these directories are for?
[01:32] <Zeike> Also, the section immediately after that on "Mounting and unmounting removable devices" seems out of place in the command line section.
[01:33] <godbyk> Zeike: I think that was one of the unfinished sections. Explaining the Linux file system layout.
[01:36] <Zeike> is there a place on launchpad where we're keeping track of that sort of thing?
[01:37] <godbyk> Not that I know of.
[01:37] <godbyk> Feel free to file a bug so we don't forget.
[01:38] <Zeike> Alright.  I don't mind writing the file system descriptions either
[01:41] <godbyk> Sure. You might email the list and ask what should go there. I don't know what they originally had in mind.
[01:42] <nisshh> i cant remember who did that section it was added on right at the last minute
[01:47] <Zeike> I filed a bug
[01:53]  * humphreybc is doing python labs, everyone, beware!
[02:00] <Zeike> So I noticed from the mailing list that theres some tension between this & the ubuntu-docs team?
[02:01] <humphreybc> there used to be, but now I think everything is coming right
[02:02] <nisshh> well, we hope
[02:05] <Zeike> well thats good then
[02:06] <humphreybc> flan: ping
[02:06]  * humphreybc cries for help
[02:07] <humphreybc> godbyk, ping
[02:07] <godbyk> humphreybc: pong
[02:07] <humphreybc> help me!
[02:07] <godbyk> what's up?
[02:07] <humphreybc> I'm trying to catch up on labs that I missed while I was away
[02:07] <humphreybc> Conveniently, I also missed the associated lectures
[02:08]  * nisshh throws humphreybc a python lifesavers ring
[02:08] <godbyk> fun
[02:08] <humphreybc> which means that I'm firing myself blindly into the object oriented bit of python
[02:08] <humphreybc> which means I have no idea what I'm doing
[02:08] <nisshh> oooh, i did some OOP just the other day
[02:08] <humphreybc> I have two python files, Point.py and Rectangle.py
[02:08] <humphreybc> etherpad?
[02:09] <godbyk> sure.
[02:09] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/humphreybc-help
[03:00] <godbyk> Is anyone currently editing the manual?
[03:00] <godbyk> (So I don't end up creating conflicts when we all commit our changes.)
[03:03] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[03:03] <humphreybc> Ilya was ediitng last but he's gone now?
[03:05] <godbyk> Ilya's out for a bit. But a couple other people were going to start editing, I think.
[03:05] <humphreybc> hmm
[03:06] <humphreybc> we should have a meeting, this weekend?
[03:06] <godbyk> We do need to have a meeting very soon, yeah.
[03:06] <godbyk> I'm game for this weekend.
[03:06] <humphreybc> okay
[03:06] <humphreybc> i'll sort it out later today
[03:06] <godbyk> sounds good
[03:07] <humphreybc> did daker look at that malware thing on our site?
[03:07] <humphreybc> I love Joey's sidebar image for our "Show us ya bugs" competition on omgubuntu
[03:08] <humphreybc> check it out, top of the sidebar on the right, http://omgubuntu.co.uk
[03:08] <godbyk> I fixed the malware thing.
[03:08] <godbyk> nice
[03:08] <godbyk> hard to read, though.
[03:08] <humphreybc> when Ilya and yourself have been triaging bugs, have you been assigning and targeting to milestones?
[03:09] <humphreybc> or just changing the status?
[03:09] <godbyk> I've just started. I try to assign milestones.
[03:09] <humphreybc> also, priority would be nice too
[03:09] <godbyk> Though so far I've been mostly just marking the invalid ones to get them out of the way.
[03:09] <humphreybc> sure
[03:09] <godbyk> yep
[03:10] <humphreybc> not sure how we're going to keep track of who's submitted 10 confirmed
[03:10] <humphreybc> I guess we just wait for someone to say they have, then go into their launchpad profile and see if they've got 10 bugs listed that are confirmed
[03:10] <godbyk> or you can go through and tally 'em up at some point. :)
[03:10] <humphreybc> or i could do that, yeah
[03:10] <humphreybc> lol
[03:14] <humphreybc> howcome this aint working no more? http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[03:14] <humphreybc> and how many copies of the book have sold on lulu?
[03:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: because it's doing evil things and I haven't fixed it yet.
[03:15] <godbyk> (it tries to pull the entire db table into memory and then tally things up instead of running nice SQL queries that do the work for us.)
[03:16] <godbyk> Ooh.. free shipping on orders over $19.95 for this summer (at lulu.com).
[03:16] <godbyk> I think ~70 books have been sold.
[03:16] <humphreybc> shit!
[03:16] <godbyk> Hard to tell though as lulu doesn't tell me when each book is sold. just gives me odd counts.
[03:16] <humphreybc> that's still pretty impressive.
[03:16] <humphreybc> do you know how many downloads now?
[03:16] <humphreybc> or do we have to wait till that thing is fixed
[03:16] <godbyk> no clue
[03:17] <godbyk> we'll have to wait 'til we get the stats page fixed
[03:17] <humphreybc> damn, i want to see if we're over 100,000 :)
[03:18] <godbyk> nope.  around 87k, I think.
[03:18] <humphreybc> almost there
[03:19] <godbyk> and over 3k people signed up for notification when their translation is released.
[03:19] <humphreybc> oh crap
[03:19] <humphreybc> how are they going anyway?
[03:19] <humphreybc> can we get some translated ones out?
[03:20] <godbyk> German and Greek are fairly close.
[03:20] <godbyk> But don't go posting things to twitter yet. :)
[03:20] <humphreybc> are they being edited?
[03:20] <godbyk> yeah.
[03:20] <humphreybc> groovy
[03:20] <humphreybc> Spanish would be lovely to get out
[03:21] <humphreybc> should I be looking here for the latest translation status, or somewhere else? https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[03:21] <godbyk> that's the place, basically.
[03:22] <godbyk> requests for notification on the translations:
[03:22] <godbyk> spanish = 967
[03:23] <godbyk> russian = 321
[03:23] <nisshh> i have an idea
[03:23] <godbyk> portuguese =276
[03:23] <godbyk> german = 261
[03:23] <godbyk> vietnamese = 258
[03:23] <nisshh> for a feature on the website
[03:23] <godbyk> spanish = another 224
[03:23] <godbyk> swedish = 145
[03:23] <godbyk> russian = another 140
[03:23] <humphreybc> nisshh: fire away
[03:24] <nisshh> well, i was thinking, why not have all the languages currently being worked on listed in a drop-down box on the downloads page
[03:24] <nisshh> when you go to download it
[03:25] <nisshh> and if that language isnt yet complete, have a percentage bar(can we get the progress from LP?) showing how complete it ids
[03:25] <nisshh> is
[03:25] <nisshh> what do you think?
[03:25] <nisshh> this way people would be like "Ah, itll be ready in my language soon"
[03:26] <godbyk> I think right now you get taken to a page that says, 'Your translation is incomplete. If you want to help translating, go here.'  But we could add a progress bar to that page, probably.
[03:26] <nisshh> rather than "Awww, they wont ever produce it in my lang"
[03:26] <godbyk> it might also be handy to adjust the front page of our site to have an area for news and notices.
[03:27] <nisshh> godbyk: ah cool, its just a small thing that may get more people interested and spread the word
[03:27] <godbyk> so we can tell people what we're working on right now and what we need help with.
[03:27] <nisshh> godbyk: yea!
[03:27] <godbyk> we also need to write more instructions for helping us.
[03:28] <godbyk> right now we get them set up with the right software, but then we don't tell them what to do next.
[03:28] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:28] <nisshh> yep
[03:28] <nisshh> big issue i think
[03:28] <nisshh> meeting this saturday then humphreybc?
[03:29] <humphreybc> humphreybc: yea
[03:29] <nisshh> humphreybc: are you talking to yourself again?
[03:29] <nisshh> :)
[03:30] <humphreybc> oops
[03:30] <humphreybc> i'm trying to play guitar now :P
[03:30] <nisshh> i thought you played drums?
[03:30] <humphreybc> and guitar
[03:30] <humphreybc> and trumpet
[03:30] <nisshh> right, i play guuitar too
[03:31] <nisshh> electric
[03:31] <nisshh> not very good though
[03:31] <godbyk> I used to play low brass instruments (tuba, baritone, euphonium, sousaphone) and the keyboard bass.
[03:32] <nisshh> windsor_: hey dude
[03:32] <windsor_> hi nisshh!
[03:32] <humphreybc> godbyk I can picture you playing low brass
[03:32] <nisshh> hehe
[03:32] <godbyk> :)
[03:33] <windsor_> about the second bug I filed today...I guess I didn't do my homework before posting a bug.  In US Grammar the punctuation IS placed within the quotation marks
[03:34] <windsor_> sorry guys
[03:34] <nisshh> im watching all 12 seasons of pokemon again, its 110GB!
[03:34] <nisshh> windsor_: no probs, just mark it as invalid
[03:35] <godbyk> windsor_: No worries.
[03:35] <godbyk> windsor_: We should've pointed out that we're playing by US rules.
[03:35] <godbyk> There are times when we break those rules, too.
[03:35] <nisshh> godbyk: that would have been nice to do ages ago, considering all the spam i have got about it
[03:35] <godbyk> (Especially the punctuation-inside-quotation-marks rule.. it makes things confusing sometimes.)
[03:35] <windsor_> yeah, ever since grade school I've been going with certain rules that may differ from that used in the Manual
[03:35] <nisshh> :)
[03:36] <windsor_> =D
[03:36] <godbyk> Ah, nisshh, you needed something to read anyway! :)
[03:36] <nisshh> godbyk: there are at least 10-15 comma bugs reported on lp now, hehe
[03:36] <nisshh> godbyk: meh
[03:37] <nisshh> all of them for the first 15 pages too
[03:37] <windsor_> yeah, I saw
[03:39] <windsor_> about the Maverick manual.. is it planned to add new stuff as the dev build continues?
[03:40] <nisshh> arhrhahrah, keep hitting control + x on my keyboard
[03:40] <nisshh> windsor_: yes
[03:40] <windsor_> ok great
[03:40] <nisshh> windsor_: we plan to keep up with changes made in each new release of ubuntu
[03:41] <windsor_> I see
[03:43] <windsor_> can't wait for Maverick, RGBA graphics by default hee hee XD
[03:45] <windsor_> so the whole manual is written according to US Grammatical Rules, what about spelling?
[03:46] <godbyk> Spelling is US, too.
[03:47] <godbyk> We do have a UK English translation, though. :)
[03:47] <windsor_> ok
[03:47] <nisshh> and AU is based on UK
[03:47] <nisshh> well, mostly
[03:48] <windsor_> ok, I'll go with US Style for everything then
[03:50] <windsor_> thx for the clarification XD
[03:53] <windsor_> bye everybody
[03:54] <nisshh> cya
[03:54] <godbyk> See ya, windsor_
[03:54] <nisshh> godbyk: hows the style guide coming along?
[03:55] <godbyk> What do you guys think of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/584452?
[03:55] <godbyk> I'm not particularly interested in the fact that Ubuntu is Debian-based, and I our 'getting started' readers are either.  But some people in the community can get picky about such things.
[03:55] <godbyk> nisshh: very, very slowly.
[03:56] <godbyk> I'm going to ping Ilya about it some this week.  I usually can get by with traditional chord shapes, which is what I usually play
[03:57] <humphreybc> (and i've got pretty good at them)
[03:58] <humphreybc> but when it comes to fucking F#m
[03:58] <nisshh> humphreybc: try some ACDC or powderfinger, they have songs that are just single note stuff, or power chords
[03:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: you need to have long spidery fingers to do F#m, its evil!
[03:59] <nisshh> godbyk: havent actaully read the style guide since the original 2-page version was made
[04:00] <nisshh> godbyk: about that bug, why should we not say ubuntu is debian-based?
[04:02] <epkugelmass> godbyk, i know we're both working on the lucid-e2 branch right now. i'm trying to be careful not to step on your toes.
[04:03] <godbyk> epkugelmass: no worries.
[04:03] <godbyk> if you run into a conflict, you can run 'bzr uncommit' to uncommit your stuff, then 'bzr pull', and 'bzr commit' to recommit your work.
[04:03] <godbyk> nisshh: well, we mention it earlier in the sentence already.
[04:04] <nisshh> godbyk: right, well id leave it there if its applicaple to mention it twice
[04:06] <godbyk> nisshh: have a look at the context of it in the PDF and tell me what you think.
[04:07] <nisshh> godbyk: ok
[04:08] <godbyk> nisshh: Add your arguments to the bug and ping me if you still think it should be Debian-based. :)
[04:08] <nisshh> ok, ok ill do it properly
[04:08] <godbyk> (only because I already made the change and resolved the bug.) :)
[04:09] <nisshh> godbyk: arh, your too quick for me!
[04:10] <nisshh> godbyk: which page is that on?
[04:11] <godbyk> I'm not sure.  Search for 'Debian-based'
[04:11] <godbyk> I think it was in the learning more chapter.
[04:17] <nisshh> godbyk: i dont really know yet, but i read each part 3 times each and i cant say it is that bad, but maybe im wrong
[04:17] <godbyk> I hear ya.
[04:17] <godbyk> lots of nit-picking going on.
[04:17] <godbyk> (which I'm okay with.)
[04:19] <nisshh> hehe
[04:19] <nisshh> aw, nice, a guy just thanked me for the manual in #ubuntu-au-chat
[04:19] <godbyk> cool
[04:21] <nisshh> apparently this guy just gave this manual to heaps of people and now they all use lucid!
[04:21] <godbyk> printed copies or just the pdf?
[04:22] <nisshh> pdf apparently
[04:22] <nisshh> geez would have been expensive buying 25+ copies of the manual
[04:24] <godbyk> true.
[04:24] <epkugelmass> 20 bugs triaged/fixed in 1 hour!
[04:25] <epkugelmass> nice work everyone =]
[04:25] <nisshh> epkugelmass: nice!
[04:25] <epkugelmass> i actually really enjoy bug crushing sessions. very satisfying
[04:26] <nisshh> godbyk: he says the manual was *exactly* what they needed, they apparently said it was the *perfect* thing to get them started
[04:26] <epkugelmass> nisshh, I'm behind here. Mind recapping? Who said what?
[04:27] <godbyk> awesome
[04:30] <nisshh> epkugelmass: hehe, you just missed it, a guy in #ubuntu-au-chat told me the story of how he had just given over 25 people the manual and they had all just started using lucid straight away
[04:30] <epkugelmass> WOW!
[04:32] <nisshh> i know, thats what i said
[04:32] <nisshh> freakin amazing huh?
[04:40] <humphreybc> gnarly
[04:40] <epkugelmass> humphreybc, any word on the release dates or milestones for e2? july is coming up awfully quickly
[04:41] <humphreybc> yeah, tell me about it!
[04:41] <humphreybc> not sure really
[04:41] <humphreybc> we don't have alphas or anything for e2
[04:42] <epkugelmass> do we want to have an RC?
[04:42] <humphreybc> i think the only thing we need is a writing freeze
[04:42] <epkugelmass> i feel like we should have at least one public testing release before we publish
[04:42] <epkugelmass> we could combine the two.
[04:43] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:43] <epkugelmass> but i would recommend a writing freeze (beta) then an RC, then release
[04:43] <nisshh> epkugelmass: agreed
[04:44] <godbyk> what's the writing freeze do for us?
[04:44] <godbyk> I mean if we stop writing, there's nothing else to do, right?
[04:44] <Zeike> proof, fix bugs
[04:44] <epkugelmass> nisshh, humphreybc, we could rename the current e2 milestone to 'beta'. that will maintain the appropriate milestone targeting on the bugs. we can then add two more milestones
[04:45] <epkugelmass> godbyk, it gives us something to release to the translators and our helpful bug catchers in the community
[04:45] <humphreybc> there's actually no rush for lucid e2
[04:45] <humphreybc> we've got 5 years to do it lol
[04:46] <epkugelmass> haha, very funny -----
[04:46] <nisshh> humphreybc: haha, no 3 because its about the desktop
[04:47] <Zeike> Is there a planned number of editions or lucid, or just however many that get done?
[04:47] <Zeike> editions for lucid*
[04:47] <humphreybc> just two
[04:48] <humphreybc> this is the only time we'll update the lucid one, because we didn't have that much time for the first one
[04:50] <godbyk> epkugelmass: I think the translators are far enough behind that a writing freeze for e2 won't help them.
[04:50] <godbyk> As long as 'writing freeze' does not mean 'string freeze', I'm okay with it.
[04:51] <godbyk> If 'writing freeze' means 'no new content, only bug fixes', then I'm all for it.
[04:52] <epkugelmass> godbyk, pardon me for being daft, but what 'first issue' are you addressing here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/584492
[04:53] <godbyk> epkugelmass: Great question -- I have no idea!
[04:54] <epkugelmass> lmao. ok, figure it out, or I'm marking the bug fixed.
[04:54] <godbyk> I thought it had said something about the /home/ubuntu-manual text -- where 'ubuntu-manual' should be something like 'username' instead. But I must have conflated a couple bugs in my head.
[04:54] <Zeike> godbyk: I think I fixed that bug earlier today
[04:54] <godbyk> Zeike: okay.
[04:54] <godbyk> I have way to many bug report emails.
[04:54] <godbyk> I think my brain is fried.
[04:55] <Zeike> while we're on that section, any thoughts on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/584772
[04:56] <godbyk> Zeike: I passed that one by because we need to write material for that section (or remove it).
[04:58] <Zeike> I'll start writing something up then
[04:59] <Zeike> is there a style guide in the bzr branch, or is the one linked to in the topic the most recent?
[05:01] <godbyk> the one linked to in the topic will be the most recent.
[05:03] <Zeike> thanks
[05:54] <Zeike> Whats the standard for typesetting a directory? \code?
[06:00] <godbyk> Zeike: \code will work for now.
[07:10] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[07:10] <ubuntujenkins> 181 bug mail messages
[07:28] <nisshh> anyone working on the e2 branch?
[07:28] <nisshh> godbyk: are you? ^
[07:30] <nisshh> GODBYK!!!!!!
[07:31] <godbyk-android> Nope. I'm in bed reading.
[07:32] <nisshh> ah, ok thats why i had to yell
[07:32] <nisshh> :)
[07:32] <godbyk-android> Yep. :-)
[07:33] <nisshh> ok, im just adding the glossary stuff from the spreadsheet
[07:35] <nisshh> scratch that, im installing texlive, AGAIN!
[07:36] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: what version of ubuntu are you usung?
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> because we have a lucid ppa
[07:41] <nisshh> oh, we do?
[07:41] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: with texlive in it?
[07:41] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[07:41] <nisshh> im running lucid, i have been since feb this year
[07:41] <ubuntujenkins> we only had it last month i made it
[07:42] <nisshh> ah ok
[07:42] <ubuntujenkins> just getting the instructions
[07:42] <nisshh> i heard about it but didnt know it was ready
[07:42] <nisshh> whats the ppa called
[07:42] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/438685/ should be all you need to know
[07:44] <nisshh> wow, thats a much smaller download than the official script
[07:44] <ubuntujenkins> not sure as some stuff comes form the lucid repo.
[07:45] <ubuntujenkins> I will work this summer to make it for 9.10 etc
[07:46] <nisshh> yea
[08:11] <thorwil> morning!
[08:12] <thorwil> godbyk: didn't you say something about the list being unsubscribed from bugs?
[08:14] <thorwil> ah, nm got to Ben's mail about that, after deleting millions of mails
[08:14] <thorwil> :)
[09:00] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: ok, i installed tex from the ppa, and i just ran the install-pkgs script from the bzr branch, but it refuses to continue since it thinks i have the repo version of tex
[09:01] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: nah its good now, no worries
[09:37] <nisshh> WOW, the word 'distribution' is mentioned nearly 15 times in chapter 9
[09:41] <thorwil> if the word distribution is distributed with such frequency, is it at least distributed evenly?
[09:52] <nisshh> thorwil: nope, lol
[09:53] <nisshh> its used in almost every sentence for about 4 paragraphs
[10:32] <nisshh> godbyk: if your up can you please remind me how to use \gls{} with other commands?
[10:32] <nisshh> godbyk-android: ^^^^
[10:38] <nisshh> nvm
[10:41] <nisshh> i really do hope no one is hacking on the e2 branch right now
[10:51] <nisshh> right, the glossary is now getting there
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> yea nisshh the script is not needed if you use the ppa
[13:02] <Surst> hello :)
[13:03] <Surst> is there a particular reason, why the numbers in expressions like "eth0" are written in mathematical mode? ("eth$0$")?
[14:07] <c7p> hey godbyk
[14:11] <nisshh> c7p: i think godbyk is asleep
[14:12] <c7p> nisshh: ok :)
[16:20] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: ping
[16:21] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: pong
[16:21] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[16:21] <godbyk> Morning.
[16:21] <ChrisWoollard> can you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/584035
[16:22] <ChrisWoollard> and confirm the answer to the question about po files
[16:22] <godbyk> sure. just a moment
[16:22] <ChrisWoollard> Thank you.
[16:23] <godbyk> I did change the settings to NOT import the po files.
[16:24] <godbyk> (It was suggested that that would fix the problem we had earlier.)
[16:28] <ChrisWoollard> Cool. I will update the bug
[16:29] <godbyk> 'kay.
[16:30] <ChrisWoollard> Thank You
[16:30] <godbyk> np
[16:30] <godbyk> I'll subscribe to the bug so I can keep an eye on it.
[16:34] <ChrisWoollard> lovely. thanks
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> ooo quickshot is on the full circle podcast
[16:45] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah.
[16:45] <godbyk> the second part of humphreybc's interview is in there and he's mostly talking about the tools/software we use (and write).
[16:46] <ubuntujenkins> yea i have listened to it now
[17:17]  * popey wonders if ubuntujenkins skipped past the good bits to humphreybc's interview ;)
[17:17] <godbyk> lol
[17:17] <godbyk> like the parts about me and how awesome I am? :-)
[17:18] <popey> that bit was corrupted in my download
[17:18] <ubuntujenkins> no popey I have listened to  it all so far i am 1:04:50 so far.
[17:18] <ubuntujenkins> might skip the key note as i have heard it before
[17:18] <popey> apologies for rambling on
[17:18] <ubuntujenkins> no it was good
[17:18] <popey> we had a right time recording it over skype
[17:19] <ubuntujenkins> i bet i was on a mates podcast it was cool
[17:25] <c7p> hey godbyk
[17:25] <godbyk> Hey, c7p
[17:27] <c7p> godbyk: There are three bug reporters on the greek manual (e1). Do they have a chance to participate on the competition or it is only for english manual e2 ?
[17:31] <godbyk> c7p: Good question. I don't know. It's Ben's competition; you'll have to ask him. :)
[17:33] <c7p> godbyk: right! Have you checked the text about the font that you were telling me the other day? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/05/22/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t21:42
[17:34] <godbyk> The Bera Mono bit in the colophon? Not yet.
[17:36] <c7p> so there is no text for translation
[17:37] <godbyk> not yet.
[17:46] <c7p> godbyk: Should I add or remove blank pages so the number of the first page of a chapter is prime number (=> left pages)?
[17:46] <godbyk> c7p: Nope, no need.
[17:47] <c7p> godbyk: ok as an editor i can tell that the job is finished (there are only 7-10 minor bug fixes that will be done today). What else remains ?
[17:48] <godbyk> c7p: I'll have a glance through it to figure out what's left. We need to get the license worked out. (I'll contact Ilya about this.)  I'll get you the new text for the colophon in a couple hours.
[17:49] <godbyk> Oh, and I'll harass the project leads about the whole credits thing again, too.
[17:50] <c7p> godbyk: what about license ? I don't remember if i have told, topo made the license-el.tex file
[17:51] <godbyk> c7p: Did topo translate it himself? If not, where did he get the license from?
[17:51] <godbyk> We have to use specific license text from CC.
[17:51] <c7p> yes it's from the site, let me find the link
[17:52] <godbyk> Thanks.
[17:53] <godbyk> I'll have Ilya double-check it.
[17:55] <topografos> hey all
[17:55] <topografos> the translation is from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/gr/legalcode
[17:57] <godbyk> topografos: Thanks!  I'll check with Ilya to make sure that's the license we're supposed to use.
[17:57] <topografos> great
[18:33] <godbyk> topografos: When you get a chance, add the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file to the repository.
[18:35] <topografos> c7p has the up-to-date file. I will let him now, as he is currently not online
[18:36] <godbyk> topografos: cool. thanks!
[20:59] <c7p> godbyk: ping
[21:19] <godbyk> c7p: pong
[21:20] <c7p> I have found a bug on index
[21:22] <c7p> godbyk: there are some entries that are mentioned twice, because there "subsections" in index e.g applications, command line
[21:22] <godbyk> c7p: right. that's okay.
[21:22] <godbyk> (well, okay = intentional)
[21:23] <godbyk> all the applications and command-line apps are listed twice.
[21:23] <topografos> it's a feature, not a bug :)
[21:23] <c7p> godbyk: ok can i translate the words application and command line
[21:23] <godbyk> once under their own name, and again under the 'applications' or 'command-line apps' heading
[21:23] <godbyk> c7p: er.. wow. good point.
[21:23] <c7p> topografos: right :d
[21:23] <godbyk> c7p: you can send me the translations and I'll set it up.
[21:25] <c7p> ok, and one last think before I send you the tex file. Can you put the revision stuff on sepperate lines ?
[21:26] <c7p> actually the rev_date after rev_number
[21:26] <godbyk> c7p: I'll take a look at it, but it's possible, yeah. (if I do, I'll have to send you an updated compile script)
[21:28] <c7p> godbyk: i am composing the mail now, appart from the main tex file, do you need and license-el.tex ?
[21:28] <godbyk> go ahead and send it to me.
[21:28] <godbyk> I'm going to have Ilya look into the licensing issue when he's next online.
[21:28] <godbyk> (He's been in contact with the Creative Commons lawyers and they've figured out what they want us to do -- I've just forgotten the details.)
[21:38] <c7p> godbyk: message has been sent :D
[21:38] <godbyk> 'kay. thanks!
[21:39] <c7p> I thank you too :P
[21:41] <c7p> godbyk for anything new don't hesitate to send me an email !
[21:42] <c7p> night all
[21:42] <dutchie> godbyk: work out what was going on in bugs.ubuntu-manual.org?
[21:42] <godbyk> dutchie: I got the localhost one to work, but not via apache
[21:47] <dutchie> hmm
[21:47] <dutchie> is there anything in ~/.launchpadlib/credentials?
[21:49] <godbyk> /home/godbyk/.launchpadlib/api.staging.launchpad.net/credentials/ubuntu-manual-bug-form
[21:49] <dutchie> hmm
[21:49] <dutchie> what about in the logs?
[21:50] <godbyk> what logs?
[21:50] <dutchie> apache logs
[21:51] <godbyk> just "Premature end of script headers"
[21:54] <dutchie> how odd
[21:55] <dutchie> may be easier to CNAME bugs.u-m.o to my vps
[21:55] <godbyk> no doubt.
[21:55] <godbyk> I can set up a CNAME if you tell me what to point at.
[21:55] <dutchie> haven't got anything yet :)
[21:56] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:56] <godbyk> if you set something up, lemme know.
[21:57] <dutchie> may do tomorrow
[21:58] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:52] <ChrisWoollard> Quick question...... Is the PPA disabled?
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: what ppa?
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> the latex one?
[22:53] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[22:53] <ChrisWoollard> I thought a ppa was set up for installing all the tex live 2009 etc
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> it is and it is there. It only works on lucid
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> sorry i am confused do you have it and have a problem with it?
[22:55] <ubuntujenkins> other wise the instructions are http://paste.ubuntu.com/438685/
[22:57] <ChrisWoollard> Is that the same are the one listed at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/+archive/beginnersmanual
[22:57] <ubuntujenkins> no thats an old one its this one https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/+archive/ubuntu-manual (the one below the one you clicked)
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> the name was not sutible on the old one so we make a new ppa for latex
[22:58] <ChrisWoollard> oops
[22:58] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> just copy the commands i pastebined
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:02] <ChrisWoollard> thanks
[23:02] <ChrisWoollard> night night ubuntujenkins


[00:57] <jose> IRCC: Announcement is now on the fridge/planet
[08:16] <benvantende> AlanBell: Good morning and thanks for the link
[14:49] <daker> mhall119: http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/11/20131107286129.html#axzz2k46IKTx8
[14:50] <mhall119> nice, a link from usembassy.gov that's good :)
[14:52] <daker> :)


[06:35] <user|75> hello\
 What can you explain I dint understand (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> I like kitty term, it can be transparent, so your desktop wallpaper will be visible)
 idk why i made it async
[12:52] <xgamecodes> Hello when i booted my pc I got index out of bounds errors
[12:53] <xgamecodes> 2 of the issues are from the amd hwmgr folder
 Hello I'm not sure how to fix this but I think my AMD GPU drivers bricked the system since ATOM_Tonga_MCLD_Dependency_Record and ATOM_Polaris_SCLk_Dependency_Record are out of bounds in /build/linux-hwe-6.5-xufGPW/linux-hwe-6. 5-6.5/drivers/GPU/AMD GPU/. ./pm/power play/hwmgr/smu7_hwmgr.c:3676:4
 And the the system boots into emergency mode and it seems like the recovery tool from advanced options for Ubuntu seem to be broken aswell
[13:57] <jesus> hi
[14:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:11] <Hellouser|61> How do I make sure xfwm4 stays running after shutdown , restart?
 Ok I'll do that
[19:25] <Sargis> How i can do factory reset?


[15:15] <cnd> bregma, Satoris, tvoss, dandrader: standup time!
[15:15] <bregma> working on #904731 and #944822
[15:15] <cnd> I'm going to work on fixing xorg-gtest usage in frame and grail, and then uploading them to precise
[15:15] <dandrader> Writing a test case for a bug I found in utouch-grail atomic recognizer (the fix is very simple). It's currently assuming that there can be only one accepted gesture at any given time. But that's not the case. The best thing about the test case is that it will serve as a way of documenting the expected behavior of the atomic recognizer.
[15:16] <Satoris> Aptng work and Chromium stuff and bugs.
[15:17] <Satoris> Also: trying to make coverage work so that it is understandable.
[15:17] <cnd> bregma, would you be able to give a review to my grail xorg-gtest source branch?
[15:17] <cnd> once it's reviewed for grail I can do the same for frame
[15:17] <cnd> Satoris, what's wrong with coverage?
[15:17] <bregma> sure, I'll get to it soonish
[15:17] <cnd> k
[15:18] <cnd> dandrader, will you have a fix for grail today?
[15:18] <Satoris> cnd: as in making Coverage work in CMake without contortions. It (or rather CTest) has direct support but it's poorly documented.
[15:18] <dandrader> cnd, yes
[15:18] <cnd> Satoris, ok
[15:19] <cnd> dandrader, alright, let me know if it slips, otherwise I'll wait for it to make a grail release
[15:22] <dandrader> cnd, I'm (or I was) trying to find a way to check slices in a test that is more flexible than expecting a very precise and specific order and number of slices but that is also not complex to write or understand
[15:22] <cnd> dandrader, more power to you if you find a way :)
[15:23] <cnd> though for the most part I don't think we should be trying to match up specific events
[15:23] <cnd> the two drag recording test is a special test
[15:23] <tvoss> sorry, was on the phone
[15:23] <cnd> it's like a canary in a coal mine in that if we change the behavior in any way, it will be seen there
[15:24] <tvoss> spent today with fixing/checking the jenkins instance
[15:24] <cnd> but other tests generally just check the values of the properties at some non-determinate gesture event
[15:32] <cnd> biab
[18:23] <cnd> bregma, I'm starting to queue up grail commits
[18:24] <cnd> the sooner you can review the gtest source changes the better
[18:24]  * bregma feels the anxiety
[18:42] <bregma> cnd, I get autogen.sh failure on a clean checkout, something is wrong
[18:42] <cnd> bregma, what's the failure?
[18:42] <bregma> configure.ac:41: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_NOTICE
[18:42] <bregma> and so on
[18:42] <bregma> really weird
[18:42] <cnd> I got that yesterday when I didn't have xorg-gtest.m4 in /usr/share/aclocal
[18:42] <bregma> ah, yes, that would do it
[18:42] <cnd> bregma, have you updated to libxorg-gtest-dev?
[18:42] <bregma> evidently not
[18:42] <cnd> version 0.2.0-0ubuntu1
[18:43] <bregma> off to do that now
[19:00] <bregma> libxorg-gtest-dev evidently depends on xutils-dev 1:7.7 but that depend is missing from the packaging
[19:12] <cnd> bregma, ahh, yeah, I forgot about it
[19:13] <cnd> I'll file a bug for it
[20:24] <cnd> bregma, my laptop that I've been doing gtest-source devel on is not booting
[20:24] <cnd> I'll get it fixed soon, but that's the delay :(
[20:36] <cnd> oh noes!
[20:36] <cnd> my magic mouse has died :(
[20:37] <cnd> phew, new batteries somehow fixed it
[20:49] <bregma> those mice seem to eat batteries
[20:52] <cnd> bregma, I fixed the gtest-source branch now


[17:15] <sdeziel> Looking at https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2021-3618, I'm assuming that 22.04 security patching is still catching up, is that right?
[17:21] <mdeslaur> it's rated "low", which we don't fix unless something more important comes up
[17:22] <mdeslaur> that being said, I guess we should fix it since it's fixed in other releases
[17:22] <mdeslaur> I'll take care of it
[17:22] <sdeziel> mdeslaur: agreed, I'm not concerned by that specific CVE, I just happened to remember nginx receiving an update in other releases
[17:22] <mdeslaur> it wasn't showing up in our list because of the "low" priority
[17:24] <mdeslaur> I just pinged litios who did the updates for the stable releases
[17:26] <sdeziel> mdeslaur: I guess my question should have been: Is there someone going through https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=&package=&priority=&version=jammy&status=needed and https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?q=&package=&priority=&version=jammy&status=needs-triage ?
[17:26] <sdeziel> thanks for the nginx one though :)
[17:27] <teward> mdeslaur: if you have a backported patch for the nginx one let me take it too 'cause i can shove it into the Debian repos for nginx (I have maintainer on Salsa for nginx now)
[17:27] <teward> (and i'm up to my neck in patching servers recently so if you do the work then I don't have to xD)
[17:29] <teward> thouhg, actually, i put 1.20.2 already in salsa, so that's already got the CVE fix I believe.
[17:31] <mdeslaur> sdeziel: jammy is now in our "cves we need to fix" report, so yes. _but_ in that particular case, it was a low so not being reported
[17:32] <sdeziel> mdeslaur: excellent, thank you!


[00:00] <Unit193> Need to register with nickserv, there is a quiet on $~a
[00:00] <Unit193> !nicksetup
[00:01] <xubuntu865> ok ty
[01:34] <Orangestar> Well, the lowest point of my day is now "You couldn't install Xubuntu because you were too impatient for the installer to start up."
[01:35] <holstein> maybe try the alternate iso.. might get to the installation quicker
[01:35] <Orangestar> Nah, it's working now.
[02:25] <Hobbit> hello?
[02:26] <Hobbit> anyone here?
[02:26] <pleia2> !hello
[02:26] <pleia2> doh
[02:26] <pleia2> !hi
[02:26] <pleia2> you can just ask :) if people know how to help they will reply
[02:28] <Hobbit> I am trying to install xubuntu from xp desktop, but I'm having some trouble getting it to load: I downloaded the iso from here: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ and tried to open it with Daemon tools, but it just opened the iso as if it were a flash drive instead of loading the installer.
[02:29] <pleia2> Hobbit: are you trying to install it with wubi?
[02:30] <Hobbit> I think so
[02:30] <pleia2> that would be installing it inside of windows
[02:30] <Hobbit> I would prefer to partition the hard drive
[02:31] <pleia2> ok, then you need to either put it on a USB stick or a CD
[02:31] <pleia2> then you boot your computer from it, you don't load the installer inside of Windows
[02:31] <Unit193> May as well use LiLo to put it on a USB and boot from that (or CD)
[02:31] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation explains a bunch of ways it can be installed :)
[02:32] <Hobbit> once before I installed a partition on the hard-drive from the desktop - is that still possible?
[02:32] <pleia2> if you use wubi it creates a large file inside of windows that runs Ubuntu
[02:32] <pleia2> but no, you can't install it on a partition while windows is running
[02:33] <Hobbit> wubi is slower, right?
[02:33] <pleia2> I don't know, I've never used it
[02:34] <Hobbit> thanks pleia2, Ill read the link and check back.
[02:34] <Unit193> Wouldn't recommend wubi though.
[02:35] <holstein> eh. it worked ok for me a few times.. one time it went *realy* bad
[02:37] <Hobbit> "The desktop CD allows you to try Xubuntu without changing your computer at all, and at your option to install it permanently later." Does that use wubi? (found here: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/)
[02:38] <holstein> Hobbit: you can have wubi use that iso
[02:38] <holstein> Hobbit: what do you want?
[02:39] <Hobbit> does the "intall it permanently later mean that it would be within windows?
[02:39] <Hobbit> II would like to partition the hard-drive
[02:39] <holstein> if you want to install xubuntu, then i say go for it.. back up your data (either way) and know how to recover the master boot record if you need
[02:40] <holstein> grab a CD.. boot it.. follow the instuctions about installing it "beside" windows
[02:40] <holstein> the wubi is installed "inside" windows.. the live CD is a tool you can use to look at the ubuntu desktop and install it if you want
[02:41] <holstein> with a wubi, you dont boot windows to get to xubuntu.. but its sharing the windows file system somehow, and doesnt need to partition the drive
[02:41] <Hobbit> would you try using a flash drive to install xubuntu?
[02:41] <holstein> witn the live CD... you can shrink the parition downand install xubuntu beside it
[02:41] <holstein> Hobbit: you can.. what do you want to do?
[02:42] <Hobbit> a flash drive would be easier
[02:42] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ is what i typically use
[02:42] <unheeding> yeah untebootin is key
[02:42] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick runs it down pretty good
[02:42] <unheeding> hard drive didn't work for me, i needed a USB drive
[02:55] <Hobbit> For booting from a flashdrive I need the " Alternative Installation CD" right?
[02:55] <Hobbit> *not the "Live Desktop CD"
[02:55] <pleia2> you can use a regular install cd
[02:55] <Hobbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GettingUbuntu
[02:55] <Hobbit> which one?
[02:56] <pleia2> the xubuntu one you already downloaded is fine
[02:56] <Hobbit> the desktop one?
[02:56] <pleia2> sure
[02:57] <Hobbit> kewl
[02:57] <unheeding> "kewl" lawl
[02:58] <Hobbit> do I need to " verify the md5 sum or sha256 sum (hash) of the .iso file."?
[02:58] <unheeding> if you want to be sure you have an uncorrupted version
[02:58] <unheeding> you don't have to though
[02:58] <Hobbit> would you?
[02:59] <unheeding> i didn't when i installed xubuntu
[02:59] <Hobbit> thx, I won't either
[03:00] <unheeding> risky business, my Hobbit friend
[03:03] <Hobbit> Hobbits are used to risk business
[03:04] <unheeding> man i love xfce
[03:04] <unheeding> so sleek
[03:08] <Hobbit> does xubuntu use xfce?
[03:08] <unheeding> xubuntu IS xfce
[03:08] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu with XFCE
[03:08] <Hobbit> lol I love xfce too
[03:08] <unheeding> okay he said it better
[03:09] <Hobbit> ubuntu is just too foreign for me
[03:09] <holstein> too unfamiliar?
[03:10] <unheeding> ubuntu is easy.  i love apt-get
[03:11] <Hobbit> I could never get the drivers for flash and stuff working in mozilla on ubuntu
[03:11] <holstein> i usually suggest trying chrome as a troubleshooting step, since the 32bit version of chrome has its own flash
[03:12] <Hobbit> I tried ubuntu before chrome existed
[03:16] <holstein> right.. its much easier and more stable (for now) to get flash
[03:25] <Hobbit> I am trying to locate the desktop iso with "Universal USB Installer", which won't recognize the iso file on my desktop
[05:42] <deadghost> I'm trying to install through YUMI usb boot but keep getting initramfs unable to find medium containing a live file system
[05:42] <deadghost> is there any way to install it through windows?
[05:43] <deadghost> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/install-ubuntu-with-windows
[05:43] <deadghost> ^that but xubuntu
[06:04] <deadghost> oh apparently wubi lets me pick xubuntu
[06:04] <deadghost> neat
[07:43] <hermanlf> anyone else getting screen tearing with the bumblebee driver?
[07:44] <hermanlf> if I use compiz there is no screen tearing.  I'd rather not use compiz.
[07:44] <TheSheep> I don't think that bulblebee is in whidespread use here
[07:44] <TheSheep> bumble*
[07:44] <TheSheep> hermanlf: out of curiosity, what laptop do you have?
[07:45] <hermanlf> Alienware m14x
[07:46] <Sysi> xfwm4 compositing causes tearing because xrender lacks sync to vblank
[07:46] <hermanlf> no fixes?
[07:48] <Sysi> if you definitely need compositing I can give you script you can bind to hotkey/launcher to toggle compositing on/off
[07:50] <hermanlf> screen tearing happens with and without compositing.
[07:51] <TheSheep> I think it may be related to how bumblebee copies the screen from the nvidia card
[07:51] <TheSheep> I remember reading about them planning to do it in a more efficient way in the future
[07:52] <hermanlf> Guess I'll just go back to using compiz to get rid of the issue.
[11:17] <xubuntu916> Ciao
[11:17] <xubuntu916> Chi mi puo dare una mano per far collegare ubuntun con un scheda wi fi  ?
[11:45] <xubuntu509> hello, just installed Xubuntu but the login screen is set on the wrong resolution, how can I change it?
[12:12] <Os_Maleus> hi together! I have a bit trouble with updating java. I have several versions located in /usr/lib/jvm/. this already makes me wonder a bit. java -version tells me, I would have the version 6b. under /usr/lib/jvm/ I can find folders with "java-1.5.0-gcj-4.6", "java-6-openjdk", "java-7-openjdk-common" and "java-7-openjdk-i386" among others.
[12:16] <Os_Maleus> I managed to download the newest release of that thing. should be the jre-7u7-linux-i586.rpm (for a 32Bit version of Xubuntu).
[12:16] <bazhang> you never use rpm for that sort of thing
[12:18] <bazhang> !java | Os_Maleus please have a read
[12:30] <Os_Maleus> I am a bit confused now. the testpage for java (http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp) keeps on telling me, that I would not have installed the latest version.
[12:31] <Os_Maleus> the homepage of java tells me, there would be no manual updating for the developers version of java necessary, since it would be done automatically.
[12:32] <Os_Maleus> and I have here this hand full of versions on my machine, but checking the version on the terminal, it confirms that it would be an older version.
[12:33] <holstein> Os_Maleus: i would remove the versions you have installed, and consider using the one bazhang linked from the official repositories
[12:34] <holstein> when you go out on your own wih package management, sometimes it can be challenging to clean things up
[12:41] <mixed> hello i need help, i've just install xubuntu and i can't add any input methods. When i enter ibus preferences and go into 'input method' i can only add chinese methods
[13:58] <Os_Maleus> bazhang and holstein, following the link for installation, it said to 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java'. performing it, it sais "There are no actual Java files in this PPA. More info: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html", but there actually are files listed.
[14:02] <holstein> Os_Maleus: what would you like to do?
[14:02] <Os_Maleus> still installing/updating my java
[14:02] <holstein> what does http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp tell you about your version?
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> is still the old one 6b24.
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> java version "1.6.0_24"
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.3) (6b24-1.11.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[14:03] <Os_Maleus> OpenJDK Server VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode)
[14:03] <holstein> have you installed the newer one? what do you see when you open a package manager and search java?
[14:03] <holstein> Os_Maleus: you likely dont want "iced tea"
[14:04] <holstein> i would undo all your previous attempts and installs.. im not sure what you used to instal that .rpm.. alien?
[14:05] <Os_Maleus> to be honest, I don't remember myself anymore. could have been in the connection with the eclipse?
[14:05]  * holstein shrugs... i would just open a package manager and seach "java"... synaptic is a nice options
[14:05] <holstein> option*
[14:08] <Os_Maleus> synaptics pagacge manager sais "java-common (0.42ubuntu2)" and "java-wrapper 0.1.22"
[14:09] <holstein> when you
[14:09] <holstein> "reload" or run sudo apt-get update do you get errors?
[14:10] <Os_Maleus> no, not until now.
[14:10] <Os_Maleus> and it still shows the same
[14:11] <holstein> and java -version ?
[14:11] <holstein> still 1.6.x
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> sure.
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> no errors.
[14:12] <holstein> Os_Maleus: you ran sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer ?
[14:12] <Os_Maleus> even I have there some other versions on my system?
[14:13] <Os_Maleus> I didn't run it until now.
[14:13] <holstein> Os_Maleus: if you'd like to try and recall how you installed them, and properly remove them, that wouldnt hurt
[14:13] <holstein> Os_Maleus: otherwise, the next step is to try this update
[14:14] <Os_Maleus> so just installing the oracle-java-7-installer? without deinstalling the other stuff?
[14:15] <holstein> Os_Maleus: if you dont want to or cant remember how you installed java before
[14:18] <holstein> what would i do? if i were in a hurry, i would just add that ppa and install v7
[14:18] <Os_Maleus> now it shows "java version "1.7.0_07""
[14:19] <holstein> sounds good!
[14:20] <Os_Maleus> thanks!
[14:20] <holstein> sure... enjoy!
[14:20] <Os_Maleus> the other is OpenJDK, what is installed here. ... will take a look, why and how. :-)
[14:21] <Os_Maleus> but thank You both, holstein and bazhang!
[14:24] <xubuntu549> Could I upgrade from 32bit ubuntu to 64bit online, without cd/dvd or flashdrive?
[14:26] <holstein> xubuntu549: thats not really an "upgrade"
[14:26] <holstein> if it were me, i would just backup and reinstall
[14:26] <xubuntu549> so could I do it
[14:27] <holstein> xubuntu549: its all open, so you can technically do anything you like
[14:27] <holstein> the way to do it is to backup and reinstall
[14:27] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/153379/can-i-upgrade-ubuntu-12-04-from-32-bit-to-64-bit
[14:28] <holstein> you can save your /home or sync to ubuntuone
[14:28] <holstein> i would look at why you want to move to 64 bit, and consider just waiting til the next time you want to upgrade or reinstall
[14:28] <xubuntu549> k tnx holstein
[15:19] <theuser> Hi
[15:20] <theuser> Back i the day before i got lazy, i ran a slackware box with multiple screen and one set of input devices per screen
[15:20] <theuser> Could i do the same in ubuntu without fighting the system?
[15:24] <theuser> Where did the Xorg   config file go
[15:29] <TheSheep> theuser: it's not needed, but if you create it, it will be respected
[15:29] <TheSheep> !xorg | theuser
[15:29] <TheSheep> !xorgconf | theuser
[15:31] <theuser> So i can set up multiple displays with separate input devices attached to each one
[15:31] <theuser> and fire up an xdm on each of them
[15:32] <TheSheep> probably, (x)ubuntu uses a normal xorg, so if you could do that on slack, you should be able to do it here
[15:32] <theuser> im missing a bunch of stuff in the /etc folder
[15:33] <TheSheep> like what?
[15:33] <theuser> but i think thats just difference between ubuntu and slack
[15:34] <TheSheep> possibly, if you tell me what you are missing, I might be able to tell you where it is
[15:35] <theuser> for the past five years i've pretty much just been using the computer for office type stuff and not messing about in the guts of the system. So it may be about time to refresh some stuff
[15:35] <theuser> I hear slack arent quite the dependency hell anymore either
[15:35] <theuser> :-p
[15:35] <theuser> The init files
[15:35] <theuser> the one that fires up X the way ubuntu wants to fire up X
[15:35] <GridCube> lightdm?
[15:35] <GridCube> O_o
[15:36] <theuser> i assume i have to mess with it to make it launch X the way i want
[15:37] <theuser> Its about time to upgrade the tech where i work so i'm kind of lobbying for a halfthin linux solution
[15:38] <theuser> like 99% of the people can get all their work done in open source software with litle or no learning curve
[15:38] <theuser> so why not spend more money on some beefyer hardware, better yet some fullHD LEd screens
[15:40] <TheSheep> theuser: ok, that's complicated in ubuntu. the session files are in /usr/share/Xorg/sessions
[15:40] <TheSheep> theuser: the lightdm config is in /etc/lightdm
[15:40] <TheSheep> but you can install gdm instead and have all the familiar stuff
[15:40] <theuser> better yet
[15:41] <theuser> good old xdm
[15:41] <TheSheep> I didn't know it still exists XD
[15:45] <theuser> it dont?
[15:45] <theuser> Fk
[15:46] <theuser> i'll dig up some old slack cd
[15:46] <theuser> install slackware 7
[15:46] <TheSheep> just kidding
[15:46] <theuser> and rock out with netskape
[15:46] <TheSheep> !xdm
[15:46] <TheSheep> !info xdm
[15:46] <theuser> lynx and pine
[15:47] <theuser> fk X!
[15:47] <theuser> anyway
[15:47] <theuser> thanks for your time
[15:47] <theuser> bye
[15:47]  * TheSheep prefers w3m and mutt
[15:48] <GridCube> theuser, :) question, do you have a problem with xubuntu? if not please use #xubuntu-offtopic to random chatter :)
[15:48]  * GridCube lags
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: yeah, that was a problem with xubuntu
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: and it got solved
[15:50] <TheSheep> GridCube: and he left already
[16:33] <vn> is eSATA hot plug on Ubuntu live CD?