[02:50] <gunndawg> Does Super-boot-Manager work with Kubuntu? I'd like to change my plymouth theme, etc
[04:55] <robotdevil> why do my windows never remeber the last window size setting?
[04:56] <robotdevil> opening system settings for example shows up across both screens
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:21] <soee> good morning
[06:32] <xennex81> morning lordievader
[06:32] <lordievader> Hey xennex81
[08:00] <C855> hello
[08:00] <C855> Anyone home?
[08:01] <soee> hiho
[08:10] <C855> Anyone here know about dual boot kubuntu with windows?
[08:11] <C855> Any help is appreciated
[08:12] <hateball> !dualboot
[08:13] <C855> checking them out now. I've just installed kubuntu as a dual boot system but there's no option to use windows.. goes straight to kubuntu
[08:19] <valorie> sounds like grub is being clueless
[08:38] <miguelauso> Hi all, somebody kwon how to move cursor/focus to another monitor using keyboard shortcut in KDE?
[08:40] <c855> I set up kubuntu as dual boot with windows but on start up don't get the option to use windows. Does anyone know a fix?
[08:43] <valorie> !grub | c855
[08:44] <valorie> grub should present you the option
[08:47] <c855> thanks, I'll look at those links now. I dont get the grub menu on start up. I had windows already installed. I lost grub after installing kubuntu
[08:50] <valorie> odd, it must be looking the wrong place
[08:50] <valorie> how did you install?
[08:50] <valorie> via USB, perhaps?
[08:51] <c855> I installed from disk
[08:52] <valorie> hmmm, ok
[08:52] <c855> I tried using the disk again but it tried to reload Kubuntu
[08:52] <valorie> grub could still be confused
[08:52] <c855> I'm certainly confused
[08:52] <valorie> of course, that's what a live disk does
[08:52] <c855> I can't get into windows at all.
[08:53] <valorie> well, grub is a rather stupid little program, but that is its only function: boot whatever OSs you have
[08:54] <c855> and grub is supposed to appear when I start the computer?
[08:54] <valorie> so it seems not to be starting, otherwise it would offer you the choice of windows or kubuntu
[08:54] <c855> no, its not starting
[08:54] <valorie> if you have more than on OS installed, and want to have a choice, yes
[08:55] <c855> yes, I want the choice. I installed it as dual boot.
[08:55] <valorie> I'm no expert, but I have fixed problems with those two links ubottu posted above
[08:56] <c855> One talks about reinserting the cd. I assume that should now be dvd, but as I said, that just starts the installation process
[08:56] <valorie> ?
[08:57] <valorie> you should still be able to access a tty
[08:57] <valorie> control + alt + f2, f3, etc.
[08:57] <valorie> yes, it should read DVD
[08:57] <valorie> hardly any OSs still fit on a cd
[08:58] <c855> tty?
[09:00] <valorie> console, whatever you like to call it
[09:01] <c855_> oops. hit Ctrl Alt F2 and the screen went black
[09:01] <valorie> sorry, I'm off to bed, I hope you will get help from someone who knows grub better than I do
[09:01] <valorie> yes, that's the tty
[09:01] <valorie> ctl+alt+f6 usually to get back
[09:01] <valorie> just try them until you return
[09:02] <valorie> I wish you luck!
[09:02] <c855_> ta
[11:14] <BluesKaj> HI all
[11:32] <rick_> Hi
[11:32] <rick_> has anyone experienced a crush when you try to add widget to the desktop?
[11:33] <rick_> running plasma5
[11:37] <soee> not for a long time
[11:38] <rick_> +Soee did you update any differently?
[11:39] <soee> rick_: im on direct install
[11:41] <rick_> +Soee it started misbehaving two days ago, am also on direct install beta2
[11:41] <Ryoma721> hi
[11:42] <soee> hiho Ryoma721
[11:42] <rick_> lol #Hihi
[11:42] <soee> rick_: do you have all latest updates ? and also plasmashell crashes or ?
[11:43] <rick_> my system is upto date...
[11:43] <Ryoma721> I'm using kubuntu 15:04 .... but after some updates I had to format
[11:43] <rick_> plasmashell???
[11:43] <soee> Ryoma721: what happend ?
[11:43] <rick_> +Ryoma why?
[11:43] <Ryoma721> sorry i am italian
[11:44] <soee> rick_: yes the panel, widtgets etc = plasmashell
[11:44] <rick_> ehehehe finito..lol
[11:44] <Ryoma721> after a few seconds desktop unusable
[11:44] <soee> Ryoma721: define unusable ?
[11:44] <Ryoma721> always
[11:45] <soee> Ryoma721: by any chance, do yuo have propriety drivers installed for gpu ?
[11:45] <Ryoma721> impossible to use the desktop, blocked
[11:45] <Ryoma721> noooooooo always radeon
[11:45] <Ryoma721> oibaf driver
[11:46] <soee> BluesKaj: any idea hot to debug or what logs lok into to check this issue ^
[11:46] <soee> Ryoma721: the desktop freezes ?
[11:47] <Ryoma721> I can not select the windows, the Start menu does not work
[11:47] <Ryoma721> yes yes
[11:47] <Ryoma721> freeze
[11:47] <soee> well i had such problem several times but i think it was related to my tests with gpu drivers
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Ryoma721, did you try alt+tab to unfreeze your desktop ?
[11:48] <soee> Ryoma721: anyway once it was some problem with configuration files, next time try to backup and remove .config and .kde
[11:49] <Ryoma721> already tried deleting kde .... improves slightly, but then crashes
[11:49] <Ryoma721> .kde
[11:50] <Ryoma721> alt-tab works for 5 minuts, after not work nothing
[11:50] <Ryoma721> reset.....
[11:50] <Ryoma721> after format works good
[11:50] <Ryoma721> sorry my english is bad
[11:50] <Ryoma721> i like kubuntu
[11:51] <soee> oh dont be sorry :)
[11:51] <Ryoma721> after update....not work freeze
[11:51] <Ryoma721> all day i use apt-get update
[11:51] <Ryoma721> dist-upgrade
[11:54] <Ryoma721> I think it's a problem of the desktop, the programs work although I can not interact
[11:54] <Ryoma721> yesterday update and after reboot freeze
[11:54] <Ryoma721> this day format
[11:55] <Ryoma721> now works good
[11:56] <soee> strange
[11:57] <Ryoma721> I have a10-7800
[12:02] <Ryoma721> I am alone having this problem
[12:05] <soee> well freezing sometimes is known to me
[12:05] <Ryoma721> freezes after 2 minutes
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Ryoma721, have you tro=ied to update, upgrade abd dist-upgrade since this issue ?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> err tried
[12:08]  * BluesKaj searches for his glasses
[12:09] <Ryoma721> during the search of the update remains indefinitely
[12:10] <BluesKaj> search of the update?
[12:11] <Ryoma721> yes
[12:13] <Ryoma721> 100% [13 Packages 1.471 MB/1.471 MB 100%
[12:13] <Ryoma721> not stop
[12:14] <Ryoma721> goes on to download without stopping
[12:19] <ViK_de> hi guys! How do you manage to get iphone woriking in kubuntu? i got it workin in ubuntu gnome and rythmbox out of the box but with kubuntu i cannot even get the iphone in dolphin S:
[12:37] <webnetedgar> hi
[12:37] <webnetedgar> anyone know when the 15.04 stable version will be released?
[12:38] <lordievader> !schedule
[12:39] <lordievader> < ubottu> A schedule of Vivid Vervet (15.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Apr 23rd
[12:39] <webnetedgar> Thank you so much!
[12:40] <Ryoma721> I do not want to reformat hihihih
[12:40] <BluesKaj> webnetedgar, google is your friend for these genaral questions
[12:40] <soee> but we could put it in topic :-)
[12:40] <soee> as we are 2 weeks before release date
[12:41] <BluesKaj> soee, yes we should
[12:41] <webnetedgar> didn't find any official info, that's why. thanks though
[13:14] <Ryoma721> hi
[13:16] <BluesKaj> what method do you use to update and upgrade, Ryoma721 ?
[13:17] <Ryoma721> sudo apt-get update
[13:17] <Ryoma721> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:17] <Ryoma721> always day
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ok good
[13:18] <colbyf> any plasma 5 users
[13:18] <BluesKaj> you should apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Ryoma721, ^
[13:18] <Ryoma721> firs update
[13:18] <Ryoma721> after upgrade
[13:19] <Ryoma721> first update
[13:19] <Ryoma721> after upgrade
[13:19] <BluesKaj> colbyf, yes on 15.04
[13:19] <Ryoma721> seems like a configuration problem
[13:20] <colbyf> BluesKaj cool, you have any idea on fixing the icon size by any chance
[13:21] <soee> colbyf: what icon size ?
[13:21] <Ryoma721> the amazing thing that amule works even if the desktop is freeze
[13:21] <colbyf> where the best place to quicklu upload a screenhot
[13:21] <soee> the new fancy commads are: apt update and apt full-upgrade
[13:21] <Ryoma721> although I can not use it
[13:21] <soee> colbyf: wstaw.org
[13:22] <BluesKaj> colbyf, system settings>icons>advanced , but I don't think the settings do much atm
[13:23] <Ryoma721> 100% [13 Packages 2.488 MB/2.488 MB 100%]
[13:23] <colbyf> http://wstaw.org/w/3jAO/
[13:23] <Ryoma721> repository not work?
[13:24] <colbyf> you see the icons  are massive I can't seem to change then in advanced settings
[13:25] <colbyf> I can get the drop box to unlock in advanced but values don't chnage anything
[13:25] <soee> colbyf: yes because they scale with panel
[13:25] <soee> colbyf: what widget is it ?
[13:26] <colbyf> its just icons
[13:26] <colbyf> that I add by dragging onto the pannel
[13:26] <colbyf> the only options I key when I right click is icon settings and this only brings up keyboard shortcuts
[13:27] <colbyf> i suppose an idea is to move them off there on a separate panel. Which I could keep small, that should work?
[13:27] <soee> colbyf: ok but tehy are activator splaced in task manager ?
[13:29] <colbyf> ok lost :)
[13:32] <soee> colbyf: ok seems liek you just put single icons in panel, its not tasdk manager, you have task manager above the icons
[13:33] <BluesKaj> colbyf,  your panel seems quite large , and the iconsd there expand with the width of your  panel in your setup
[13:33] <soee> well atm in Plasma 5 you can't scale this icons i think, in KDE4 there was widget called i think QuickLaunch taht allows you to set columns or rows for added icons
[13:33] <soee> but it is not ported to Plasma 5 yet
[13:34] <colbyf> thought so, I will create a separate panel
[13:34]  * BluesKaj waits patiently for quicklaunch amongst other missing widgets
[13:34] <soee> :)
[13:34] <colbyf> lol :P this is my 1st time with any KDE desktop. I know its still in development but does look very good
[13:35] <soee> we all have our favs, mine is colorpicker - also missing in P5
[13:35] <soee> colbyf: yup, wait some time and in backports Plasma 5.3 shoudl land :)
[13:35] <colbyf> yea :)
[13:36] <soee> colbyf: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/32jwkw/kde_kde_ships_plasma_53_beta_improves_power/
[13:36] <colbyf> ....away back to experimenting :P
[13:37] <BluesKaj> prefer panel at the bottom , old school :)
[13:38] <soee> and we are lucky with KDe that we can put it where we want
[13:38] <colbyf> lol i dont know where I want it yey, I keep moving it, plus I have a nice wide screen monitor so lots of wasted space width wise
[13:38] <donniezazen> soee: that's like your opinion man.
[13:38] <donniezazen> haha I had to say that
[13:39] <soee> :D
[13:39] <colbyf> desktop fight lol :P
[13:39] <donniezazen> You would get it if you are a Big Lebowski fan.
[13:40] <mparillo> Shame about the timing of 5.3...ISTR that earlier the KDE SC releases seemed to align better with the Kubuntu releases.
[13:40] <colbyf> ahh my mate tries to make me watch that movie,
[13:40] <donniezazen> Yeah, timing is a shame. Both Kubuntu and Fedora KDE are going to be shipped with 5.2
[13:41] <Riddell> we should get backports soon enough
[13:41] <soee> mparillo: imo yes and no, now we are sure we have pretty stable 5.2.X
[13:41] <soee> each 5.x release might have some issues at first
[13:42] <soee> so its better to ship it with first bug release
[13:43] <mparillo> Gimme new stuff. If I wanted stable I would be on LTS.1+ ;-)
[13:44] <soee> :D
[13:44] <soee> mparillo: yes but think about simple user
[13:44] <BluesKaj> has 14.10 plasma 4 as my backup OS
[13:45] <donniezazen> or machines that are meant for special purposes like dev machines that can only be upgraded once in 2 years.
[13:49] <colbyf> where woudl you download widgets too, i like to keep things tidy. Should I create a folder for them in my /home or should I put them to the kde folder, which I dojn't know where that is
[13:53] <BluesKaj> colbyf, the widget downloader leaves them in the "widgets File" until you click on the desktop and "add widgets" or the wrench on the end of the panel
[13:53] <colbyf> the link I am using dosen't download them auto, its a manual install
[13:55] <BluesKaj> yes theres' that option too
[13:57] <BluesKaj> click on add widgets then choose "get new widgets" for a list of available stuff
[13:57] <colbyf> cool :)
[14:01] <LINKSWORD2> Hello. How do I hide an unused device in KMix?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, dunno if it's possible to hide it
[14:06] <LINKSWORD2> Hi, Blues.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Hi LINKSWORD2
[14:07] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: Well, here's the deal. Kubuntu is on a desktop system with a built-in soundcard on the motherboard, and when I go into the settings for KMix, it shows an HDMI device in the configuration, which I know I do not have. Any thoughts?
[14:08] <colbyf> cool :)you plugged into a hdmi monitor
[14:09] <colbyf> i had the same but I use pulse audio
[14:09] <LINKSWORD2> That doesn't make sense. I have HDMI ports on my monitor, but not on my video card.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> HDMI connects to your spdif soundcard output by default if you have a HDMI output , LINKSWORD2
[14:10] <LINKSWORD2> That's just it. I don't have an HDMI output on my system.
[14:10] <colbyf> oh you have no HDMI port on ur laptop
[14:10] <colbyf> pass :) sry
[14:10] <BluesKaj> then the HDMI is being detected on your monitor by the  HW system
[14:11] <LINKSWORD2> .... *Points to original post.* Desktop. No HDMI on graphics card. Motherboard default audio.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> it's like an outboard device most likely
[14:11] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: Odd. I've never seen that happen.
[14:13] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: So... It's detecting an HDMI port on my monitor, through my VGA port KVM switch, which the monitor is hooked up to....
[14:13] <BluesKaj> yes, but it's possible with better HW detection nowadays
[14:13] <LINKSWORD2> Mind... Blown....
[14:14] <rberg> I bet your chipset supports HDMI even if no connecter is attached.. and the driver found it
[14:14] <LINKSWORD2> rberg: Ahh..... Interesting hypothesis....
[14:14] <BluesKaj> my sdpif  output was never detected by my nvidia gpu until about 3 yrs ago, but now i have a ackup in case my pci soundcard dies
[14:15] <BluesKaj> my onboard spdif I mean
[14:16] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm.....
[14:16] <rberg> but I dont know how to hide it from kmix other then looking around the bios to see if it can be disabled
[14:16] <colbyf> go into ur sound options and see can you disable it there
[14:17] <colbyf> I hid HDMI output settings in there
[14:17] <LINKSWORD2> Considering that I don't have an HDMI device on my system, I don't think I will have HDMI settings in the bios.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> dunno why you'd want to hide it though, it might come in handy someday LINKSWORD2
[14:18] <LINKSWORD2> I have 2 audio devices, and one of them, (the HDMI) does nothing. I want to disable the one that doesn't do anything. I can always re-enable it later if it does something useful, or if I need it for something.
[14:19] <colbyf> if you download pulseaudi volume control, you can disbale it there and should run through to the rest of ur applications
[14:20] <LINKSWORD2> PulseAudio, you say? Hmm....
[14:21] <colbyf> thats whi I was able to kix skype and different programs from playing through my HDMI devices
[14:21] <LINKSWORD2> I'll look around. Thanks.
[14:22] <lordievader> pavucontrol \o/
[14:22] <colbyf> Bluekaj: what email app do you use, just the one that comes with KDE
[14:25] <BluesKaj> i just use gmail , kmail iis too complex for my needs altho thunderbird works well too, colbyf
[14:25] <Zundrli_> hello everyone, i need help with kde and my dual screen setup. is there anyone here with experience in that topic?
[14:26] <colbyf> ahh i am looking to use pgp and that
[14:26] <colbyf> Zundrli_ : I don't know about experienced but I am running dual screen
[14:26] <BluesKaj> I have no need for an email database/server setup colbyf
[14:28] <Zundrli_> colbyf i have everything set up nicely but one thing is really bothering me: i have one monitor (big, 16:9) on the right, and one smaller monitor on the left (4:3). on the left side of the bigger screen i have a panel placed vertically. windows maximize under that panel and its driving me mad. its everywhere around google too, but no fix to be found
[14:29] <colbyf> same prob haven't looked at it yet but its on my todays todo list lol
[14:30] <colbyf> u using KDE desktop
[14:30] <Zundrli_> yes kde 4
[14:30] <colbyf> kde 5 still same prob
[14:30] <Zundrli_> it drives me nuts
[14:31] <colbyf> did you go into windows behaviour in settings
[14:31] <Zundrli_> another thing, how do i make icons in the task manager stack ontop of eachother to save space?
[14:31] <colbyf> going there now myself to see
[14:32] <Ryoma721> now kubuntu works good
[14:32] <colbyf> on kde 4 there should be a package search the net for resize panel icons kde4 might help
[14:32] <Ryoma721> crossing my fingers in future updates
[14:34] <Zundrli_> can you add me on skype or something colbyf in case you find a fix
[14:34] <colbyf> sure
[14:34] <LINKSWORD2> Later, ya'll.
[14:34] <colbyf> msg me ur id
[14:35] <colbyf> r email
[14:35] <Zundrli_> how lol
[14:35] <colbyf> right click on my name and there should be a dialoge option
[14:36] <Zundrli_> im on a webirc in my browser
[14:36] <Zundrli_> i think my skype id is the same as here, without the _
[14:36] <colbyf> k
[14:57] <goddard> was trying to upgrade and my upgrade crashed when trying to remove KDM
[14:57] <goddard> and replace it with SDDM
[14:59] <goddard> getting plasmashell borted
[15:00] <zundrli_> i have a dual screen setup in kubuntu 14.10, one monitor 16:9, right side, and one, 4:3 on the left side. i set a vertical panel up at the left side of the bigger (16:9) screen. whenever i maximize windows they go under the panel and its really frustrating..... anyone an idea for fixing this?
[15:02] <alvin> I did something.... As a user, you can run tcpdump on some interfaces. In the hope of being able to run it on all interfaces, I ran dpkg-reconfigure tcpdump. Now, I lost all permissions. How to reverse this and set it back to default? (And why did this happen? I didn't get any questions.)
[15:08] <alvin> Ok, now I'm wondering why it actually worked before as non-root user.
[15:44] <s_20> i only realised now that kf 5.9 made it into vivid, nice
[16:31] <goddard> can i install 15.04 over the net?
[16:31] <goddard> without a flash drive or cd
[16:36] <genii> !debbootstrap
[16:37] <genii> !debootstrap
[16:37] <genii> goddard: See the bots link for more info
[16:49] <goddard> yikes sounds time consuming
[16:56] <Voyage> How to restart kde  alt + ctrl + backspace does not works
[16:58] <Graf_Westerholt> Voyage, wait a minute, let me try. ;)
[16:58] <Graf_Westerholt> :D
[16:58] <Voyage> k
[16:58] <Graf_Westerholt> LOL
[16:59] <Graf_Westerholt> Try ALT+Print+K
[16:59] <Voyage> Graf_Westerholt,  doesnt works
[17:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Voyage, maybe it is disabled.
[17:00] <Graf_Westerholt> !ubottu sysrq
[17:00] <Graf_Westerholt> !sysrq
[17:00] <Graf_Westerholt> !sysrq | Voyage
[17:01] <goddard> big problem i see already with the Kubuntu installer
[17:01] <goddard> you can't connect to a wifi network with a hidden SSID
[17:05] <goddard> http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
[18:12] <Aristide> Hi !
[18:12] <Aristide> Lot of packages are not available into 15.04 repository, its normal ?
[18:17] <NickStone> anstide 15.04 hasn't been released yet
[18:39] <MoonUnit`> todays plasma5 updates broken kickoff search?
[18:45] <soee> there was Kf 5.9 update but that shoudl break it i think
[18:46] <MoonUnit`> baloosearch and find from dolphin still work.
[18:48] <MoonUnit`> installed plasma5 on a spare drive today, logoff, reboot and shutdown worked. so something broken on my main system.
[18:48] <MoonUnit`> will reinstall at the weekend.
[21:31] <YAFU> Anyone using Kubuntu 15.04 here?
[21:33] <genii> YAFU: Might also check #ubuntu+1 which is for all 15.04 *buntu
[21:36] <YAFU> Ok. I just want to discuss some issues that I found on Kubuntu 15.04 before reporting
[22:25] <Headpool182> hi
[22:26] <Headpool182> I was wondering if anyone knew, for non-linux steam games, do i have to install steam for windows via wine, or can i configure them to automagically launch with wine?


[01:25] <nhaines> !support | ajeck
[01:25] <ubot5`> ajeck: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com
[01:34] <ajeck> nhaines: why would #ubuntu for ubuntu touch support?
[01:41] <k1l_> ajeck: oh, it did sound like a usb-wifi on laptop issue.
[01:41] <ajeck> k1l_: nah this is a nexus 5
[01:41] <ajeck> has a broadcom chip
[01:42] <k1l_> ok :)
[02:09] <jabawok> hi all.. anyone know how long an ota update from 7 to 9 is meant to take?
[02:10] <jabawok> BQ e5 new out of box -> update
[02:10] <jabawok> been 30mins sofar, stuck on the bq "powered by ubuntu" white boot screen
[02:10] <jabawok> i'll keep waiting a while
[02:11] <Stanley00> jabawok: I think it's just boot logo, the update process will show a rolling circle
[02:11] <jabawok> ah.. thats not good
[02:11] <jabawok> what do u think.. power off/on again?
[02:12] <Stanley00> jabawok: yes
[02:13] <Stanley00> jabawok: in the worst case, you only need to flash the rom again :3
[02:13] <jabawok> yeah looks like i might have to
[02:13] <jabawok> same screen
[02:13]  * jabawok looks up how to do that
[02:14] <jabawok> oh wait
[02:14] <jabawok> look like it posted!
[02:15] <jabawok> the old give it time trick
[02:19] <Stanley00> jabawok: yay, btw, in case you want to reflash, here is the link http://www.mibqyyo.com/descargas/categorias/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition/
[02:30] <jabawok> thanks Stanley00.. you rock
[02:55] <ajeck> has anyone run into the problem with /usr running out of space after mounting the system as writable?
[03:25] <duflu> ajeck: Yes, and there are workarounds
[03:26] <duflu> ajeck: http://askubuntu.com/a/660886
[04:25] <abhilabh> hello
[05:51] <ajeck> duflu: thanks,  the most voted one seems interesting.  I wonder if i could figure out a way to edit fstab so that the settings are preserved .
[06:21] <duflu> ajeck: The one I linked to is my technique. It's very fast. Although it baffles people who don't understand how sparse filesystems work :(
[06:21] <duflu> :(
[06:21] <duflu> :)
[06:21]  * duflu has a new keyboard and things are in the wrong place
[06:23] <ajeck> duflu: how so?  the fact that you are adding zeros at the end but not taking space?
[06:25] <duflu> ajeck: Because the same df command without seek= would just wipe the disk instead
[06:25] <duflu> So people are suspicious and worried
[06:26] <ajeck> duflu: ahh, well it did seem simpler
[06:31] <duflu> Hence the warning... /this will either do what you want or wipe your disk (if typed wrong)/
[06:37] <duflu> ajeck: BTW any OTA updates may replace that root image and reset it to 2GB
[06:37] <duflu> So either hack your device, or allow updates, but not both
[06:37] <ajeck> duflu: yah got it.
[06:43] <jabawok> first day with an ubuntu phone for me. loving it so far. Well done to any devs in channel!!
[06:43] <jabawok> so far got owncloud contacts/calendar sync working
[06:44] <jabawok> figuring out rss reader opml import atm
[08:54] <Tm_T> I'm on a proposed channel, I did install some Ubuntu updates yesterday and my Meizu haven't booted up since
[08:55] <Tm_T> is there any debug method I should try before bulldozing over?
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Innovation Day! 😃
[10:01] <zzarr> hello! I know my phone, Meizu MX4, do not support MHL, but is it possible to use a Displaylink Monitor?
[11:35] <V99> hi
[11:36] <davmor2> zzarr: How are you going to link to it?
[11:49] <victor_bq> Hi!
[11:51] <victor_bq> does anyone knows if there is a way to directly save contacts in SIM through the UI or terminal?
[11:52] <nhaines> No clue!  :)
[11:52] <nhaines> Although actually I know there's *some* way... so better to say I have no clue how.
[11:54] <ogra_> you can definitely import them from the SIM ... but no idea if you can also export, write or store them there
[12:39] <davmor2> victor_bq: not currently, you can pull from but not save to
[12:44] <victor_bq> Ok thanks, seems that we all have the same info :P
[12:45] <victor_bq> I just wanted to mention that because some customers ask from time to time about it
[12:49] <ogra_> victor_bq, you can wait for bfiller to show up ... his team works on that and he knows if/where it is on the roadmap
[12:52] <victor_bq> good to read that =)
[12:55] <davmor2> ogra_, victor_bq: bfiller I think is on holiday this week iirc tiagosh or boiko might be a better bet for now
[13:00] <zzarr> davmor2, a Displaylink GPU is speaking USB
[13:40] <davmor2> zzarr: I doubt very much that it would work, Saviq, mzanetti or kgunn maybe be able to confirm though
[13:40] <mzanetti> no clue
[13:47] <Saviq> zzarr, it would Just Work™, assuming there's drivers, which there are none last I checked
[13:47] <Saviq> zzarr, DisplayLink is really just a GPU connected over USB
[13:48] <Saviq> there's a long-running campaign to convince DisplayLink to supply Linux drivers, but I don't think anything's happening on that front yet
[13:48] <Saviq> with USB-C coming, that might just be wasted work at that point anyway
[13:48] <Saviq> so I wouldn't hold my breath
[13:50] <kgunn> zzarr: fwiw, i'm not familiar
[13:54] <zzarr> Saviq, I know that it is, but on there page it says that the driver is open source
[13:56] <Saviq> zzarr, oh, that's a new development
[14:00] <Saviq> zzarr, so, in theory it should be possible, assuming the OTG support has enough throughput, in practice, though, Mir is using a newer driver model than X (EGL), which might still prove problematic
[14:00] <Saviq> so we'd need newer drivers for DisplayLink (not impossible, especially if they're open source)
[14:00] <Saviq> could be an interesting GSoC project
[14:52] <zzarr> Saviq, I think it's interesting, I hope the source code is good enough (like clean code good)
[14:53] <zzarr> I have to go now, but I leave my XChat open
[14:57] <dobey> zzarr: the displaylink drivers are proprietary. there is a basic open source implementation of an older version of displaylink in the upstream linux kernel.
[14:58] <mterry> pitti, the language-pack-touch packages haven't been regenerated in the stable-phone-overlay PPA since we commited that 'pam' fix.  Can we remake them to test that change?
[15:20] <jgdx> charles, hey, that settings:///system/location system settings branch is ready for your silo. Which silo was it?
[15:21] <charles> jgdx, ubuntu/landing-012 in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/949
[15:23] <charles> jgdx, want me to add https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/lp1533835/+merge/285603 and rebuild?
[15:25] <jgdx> charles, yes, please. That would be great.
[15:25] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you take a look at that branch as well? ^ maybe seb128 too
[15:28] <seb128> jgdx, not likely today but maybe tomorrow if nobody beats me to it
[15:28] <jgdx> seb128, ack. Thanks
[15:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[16:13] <zzarr> dobey, thanks for clarifying that
[16:20] <pitti> mterry: I started the cronjob, but not sure if that makes any sense -- we need a new RTM export
[16:20] <pitti> mterry: but if this one fails, the cron'ed one will run in about 18 hours
[16:48] <joe_w> hi, mail app dekko icon has stopped working, can remove/move, cant load though....restart works but then stops again...any help would be appreciated
[16:49] <joe_w> *on side launcher
[16:53] <DanChapman> joe_w, that's probably bug 1541388. Looks like it's been fixed already
[16:53] <ubot5`> bug 1541388 in Canonical System Image "Icons in launcher sometimes refuse to launch application" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541388
[16:55] <joe_w> DanChapman, thanks
[17:02] <pitti> mterry: as I feared -- I just got the two metric tons of REJECT emails
[17:03] <mterry> pitti, so we need a new RTM export as you said above?  Does that require manual intervention or will that just happen on schedule?
[17:03] <pitti> mterry: it'll all happen automagically tomorrow
[17:04] <pitti> mterry: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+language-packs FYI
[17:04] <mterry> pitti, good enough  :)  Thanks for trying early anyway
[17:04]  * pitti should have looked at that page first before firing the cronjob :)
[17:04] <pitti> sorry universe for heating you up a bit more in vain
[17:08] <mterry> :)
[17:48] <NwS> Heya guys a quick Q. Will Ubuntu introduce a convergence mobile in WMC (together with the tablet)?
[17:50] <OerHeks> It is MWC, and yes, http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-will-be-present-at-mwc-2016-to-showcase-its-ubuntu-convergence-500338.shtml
[17:51] <NwS> Ehm yeah MWC messed up the letters xD tyvm
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> and OerHeks will prob buy the new meizu 5 pro :p
[17:53] <OerHeks> nope, as it will be more expensive .. unless i win the jackpot
[17:54] <NwS> I'm waiting to buy my first Ubuntu phone too
[17:54] <OerHeks> BQ5 it is
[17:54] <NwS> No ty :P ugly
[17:54]  * lotuspsychje is the proud owner of Bq 4.5
[17:54] <NwS> I would buy the Meizu MX4 but it was sold out
[17:55] <NwS> And then some guys here told me that it wouldn't support convergence anyway so I am still waiting :P
[17:56] <NwS> Hopefully I'll have enough money to buy it within the next months.. We'll see.
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> here $$$$$$
[18:33] <dasjoe> I experience an issue with OTA-9, when connecting a BT keyboard to my Nexus 4 I can close the "Scopes" application (if it doesn't crash by itself, that is) and then can't find a way to restart it
[19:02] <jamie1> hey i am wanting to work on porting ubuntu touch to the z3c, right now i am on 15.10, should i be on 14.04 to be working on it? some of the stuff for building is only for utopic
[19:29] <dasjoe> As it turns out "Scopes" disappears about half the time. When it doesn't disappear by itself I can close the window, which then tries to reopen itself for a few times before giving up
[19:29] <dasjoe> Any way to get it back? :)
[19:40] <Guest37661> hello
[19:43] <dobey> dasjoe: "restart unity8-dash" maybe
[20:08] <Guest37661> can i install ubuntu touch on arm a8 devices
[20:08] <jamie1> Guest37661: if there is a port available for your device
[20:08] <Guest37661> port as in?
[20:09] <Guest37661> like boot from micro sd card
[20:10] <jamie1> what device are you trying to put ubuntu touch on?
[20:11] <Guest37661> ubislate 7c+
[20:11] <jamie1> Guest37661: here is the list of devices that ubuntu touch is currently work on
[20:11] <jamie1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:12] <Guest37661> Thanks, but I looked up the list before. Can I boot from sd card in android
[20:14] <dobey> Guest37661: you can't boot anything, if your device wasn't ported
[20:14] <jamie1> it cant communicate with the hardware without the device being ported to
[20:32] <ahoneybun> is it a bug if the icon in the Dash is not updated with the new one?
[20:32] <ahoneybun> uNav in this case
[20:36] <dasjoe> dobey: well, that would require an adb connection via USB. I'm on the go, with just the phone and a bluetooth keyboard
[20:37] <dobey> dasjoe: no, you can use the terminal app
[20:37] <dobey> i suppose you would need it to be running at the time, though
[20:37] <dobey> or at least, in the launcher
[20:38] <dobey> ahoneybun: possibly, but highly unlikely
[20:38] <ahoneybun> I unpinned it and repinned it, and it was updated dobey
[20:38] <ahoneybun> thanks
[20:39] <dobey> ahoneybun: you mean the launcher didn't auto-update then?
[20:39] <dasjoe> dobey: oh right, I'll try that
[20:42] <ahoneybun> no the icon was the old white one
[20:42] <ahoneybun> not the new blue one
[20:43] <dasjoe> dobey: it opens and immediately gets killed (by TRAP signal, according to .xsession-errors)
[20:43] <dobey> ahoneybun: you mean in the launcher, though, not the dash? the dash doesn't have things pinned in it (unless you went about tweaking some gsettings by hand)
[20:43] <ahoneybun> launcher I mean, sorry
[20:43] <dobey> dasjoe: sounds like it could be a bug then; do you have anything in /var/crash ?
[20:44] <dasjoe> dobey: nope, it's empty
[20:47] <dobey> hmm
[20:47] <dobey> dasjoe: i'd suggest filing a bug to get started then
[20:52] <dasjoe> dobey: right, filed :)
[21:34] <QuentinQuaadgras> Hi can anyone help me with installing Ubuntu Touch on an i386 touchscreen laptop?
[21:35] <QuentinQuaadgras> I have the images but I am unsure how to format the partitions
[21:57] <QuentinQuaadgras> anyone here?
[21:57] <QuentinQuaadgras> Is this the right place to ask or can someone point me somewhere?


[01:31] <Jefro1> Hi all - anyone got time to help me debug?  I'm trying to boot on the BeagleBoard using the a download from a few days ago.  It all looks right, but bootloader stops at "I2C:   ready"
[01:31] <Jefro1> this is on a BB c4
[01:33] <GrueMaster> Jefro1: Try holding the user button while you press reset.
[01:33] <Jefro1> ok, thanks
[01:33] <Jefro1> 1 sec
[01:34] <Jefro1> same issue
[01:35] <GrueMaster> Where did you get the image from?
[01:35] <Jefro1> just checking that -
[01:36] <Jefro1> I believe it came from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[01:36] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[01:37] <GrueMaster> Have you imaged before?
[01:37] <Jefro1> actually, I'm not sure - it is called "ubuntu-10.04-minimal-armel"
[01:37] <Jefro1> I have worked with BB images before, but not ubuntu
[01:37] <GrueMaster> Ok.  I don't believe I tested that one.  I mainly focus on the netbook images.
[01:38] <Jefro1> does the netbook image work on the beagleboard?
[01:38] <GrueMaster> Yes.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
[01:38] <Jefro1> I'm giving a presentation at OSCON next week about Linux vs. BeagleBoard and would love to show Ubuntu.
[01:39] <Jefro1> ok, thanks.  stupid user question - what do I do with a .img?  I'm used to having a source tree or a prebuilt kernel/rootfs
[01:39] <GrueMaster> We are also reworking the image so that all you need to do is flash it to an SD card and boot.
[01:39] <Jefro1> cool - I can mention that in the talk
[01:39] <GrueMaster> For these images, you need to do "sudo dd bs=4096 if=<img file> of=<path to SD card>
[01:40] <Jefro1> aha - you guys are two steps ahead of me.  :)
[01:40] <GrueMaster> You can demo the new image if you like.  It is available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/current/maverick-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.bz2
[01:41] <GrueMaster> For the 10.04 images, there is a how to at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle
[01:41] <GrueMaster> Of course, this will change with Maverick.
[01:41] <Jefro1> excellent, thanks - don't know why I hadn't seen that page
[01:43] <GrueMaster> If you decide to test Maverick, there are a few issues currently.  Namely, you need a class 4 SD card of 4G or greater.  Also, it will not boot into the netbook launcher by default once you get to gdm.  You need to select the 2d desktop for it to work.
[01:43] <Jefro1> no worries - my talk will be over by then :D
[01:44] <Jefro1> at the moment I'd just like to get something to boot that looks like Ubuntu, to whet people's appetites.  I only have 40m for the talk, and will be covering several distros.
[01:44] <GrueMaster> Wish I could watch.   But work is callig me in a different direction next week.
[01:44] <GrueMaster> The 10.04 image will boot into a live image, similar to booting a live CD on x86.
[01:45] <GrueMaster> It is a bit sluggish due to only 256M memory though.
[01:45] <Jefro1> xM will be out in about a month...
[01:45] <GrueMaster> That's the working theory.  :P
[01:45] <Jefro1> heh, yes.
[01:46] <Jefro1> whoa!  it's booting - awesome
[01:46] <Jefro1> I was watching the console thinking "hmm, shouldn't it be..." and then noticed the monitor.  very slick.
[01:46] <GrueMaster> Wait until you see it on a newer system.  :D
[01:47] <Jefro1> I have an early xM here, maybe I'll try it.
[01:47] <Jefro1> mine has memory issues, though.  shocking, I know.
[01:47] <Jefro1> thanks very much for the help - this will be just fine for the demo
[01:47] <GrueMaster> 10.04 doesn't boot on the xm.  And there is an issue with xloader on the current maverick image.
[01:47] <GrueMaster> At least from what I'm told.
[01:48]  * GrueMaster doesn't have an XM...yet.
[01:48] <loluengo> hi Jefro1 GrueMaster
[01:48] <loluengo> it's me again
[01:48] <GrueMaster> hey.
[01:49] <Jefro1> hi loluengo
[01:49] <loluengo> i've all the afternoon if there exists a good and not so expensive JTAG emulator
[01:49] <loluengo> which one do you use/recommend?
[01:50] <GrueMaster> loluengo: Try the flyswatter for the beagleboard.
[01:50] <loluengo> ok... i'll google for it
[01:53] <GrueMaster> loluengo: http://tincantools.com/
[01:53]  * GrueMaster wanders off to cook dinner.
[01:56] <Jefro1> thanks GrueMaster
[01:59] <loluengo> :O
[01:59] <loluengo> tincantools is really great site!
[01:59] <loluengo> i've fallen in love with it
[01:59] <loluengo> xD
[01:59] <loluengo> ok
[01:59] <loluengo> i'm leaving....
[02:00] <Jefro1> tincantools guys are fantastic
[02:00] <Jefro1> have a good eve
[02:00] <loluengo> i'm REALLY hungry
[02:00] <loluengo> thanks for all support Jefro1!!
[02:00] <loluengo> i hope to be soon back here ;)
[08:27] <hrw> morning
[08:27] <hrw> morning
[08:30] <lag> mythripk2: Ping
[08:30] <lag> Morning hrw
[08:45] <mythripk2> lag: morning
[08:45] <lag> mythripk2: Hi
[08:45] <lag> mythripk2: Your patches won't apply
[08:46] <mythripk2> lag:It is on top of our latest tree which has 2 other patch as well
[08:46] <lag> Ah! That's not helpful for me :(
[08:46] <lag> Are these other patches going to hit our tree any time soon?
[08:47] <mythripk2> lag: I m not sure of that ,you have one of those patches , ie for AVI checksum
[08:48] <lag> commit 67d286d8c1db33a11113bb22125343f9afb2c12d
[08:48] <lag> Author: Mythri P K <mythripk@xxxxxx>
[08:48] <lag> Date:   Tue Jun 1 10:28:58 2010 +0530
[08:48] <lag>     Remove compiler warning from HDMI related patches
[08:48] <mythripk2> I shall apply this on our old release and send you the  refreshed patch
[08:48] <lag> That's the last commit on hdmi.c
[08:49] <mythripk2> ok that is the old one  there are 3 patches after that , ok i shall update the patch on top of that and send you the refreshed patch
[08:50] <lag> And that will have all the patches on?
[08:51] <mythripk2> The refreshed patch will be for the autodetect
[08:52] <lag> Okay
[08:52] <lag> What do the other patches do? And do I need them?
[08:53] <mythripk2> one patch is to replace the raw read and writes with GPIO , it will not affect the functionality
[08:53] <lag> Okay
[08:54] <mythripk2> and other one is AVI checksum which you definitely need and other one is for some audio clock issue which is not needed
[08:54] <lag> I'm assuming you use git?
[08:55] <mythripk2> yes
[09:01] <lag> mythripk2: Are you going set me all of the patches?
[09:03] <lag> ogra: How big does the SD card need to be for XM?
[09:04] <hrw> lag: 4GB
[09:04] <lag> DOh!
[09:04] <lag> That'll explain it then
[09:04] <hrw> I got hit by that with my BB
[09:04] <hrw> lot of 2GB cards here
[09:05] <lag> &%$*
[09:07] <cooloney> lag: where can i find your patch to fix the  parport_pc oops
[09:08] <cooloney> lag: i am going to test it.
[09:10] <ogra> lag, >2G
[09:10] <ogra> the filesystem is 1.4 plus we add a 512M swapfile
[09:16] <sumitsemwal> lag: gm.
[09:17] <lag> sumits: Good morning
[09:17] <lag> cooloney: In my tree
[09:37] <lag> mythripk2: ?
[09:39] <mythripk2> lag: i shall send you 2 patch for the EDID redesign for autodetect
[09:40] <mythripk2> i shall not send the other 2 that you dont need , if you think you need to pull you can take it from here : http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=axelcx/kernel-display.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/display-next
[09:41] <mythripk2> lag: whats with this mythripk2??? :P
[09:41] <lag> Can't you see your name?
[09:42] <lag> You must have had a ghost nick at one point
[09:42] <lag> And mythripk2 is your back-up nick
[09:42] <lag> Is that correct?
 lag: whats with this mythripk2???  :D
[12:58] <lag> ogra: Have you tested Mythripk's patches yet?
[12:58] <ogra> lag, are they in any binary kernel in the archive ?
[12:58] <lag> Would you like me to compile you a kernel? :)
[12:58] <ogra> or in any of cooloneys PPA packages ?
[12:59] <lag> Nope
[12:59] <ogra> sure, i would test it
[13:00]  * ogra bzr pushes progress output support for the resizing function in jasper
[13:00] <ogra> i hope that will look better now and people stop thinking the system hangs :)
[13:01] <hrw> ;D
[13:02] <ogra> i'm hot really sure how responsive it is on real SDs though
[13:02] <ogra> i only tested on a 4G imagefile
[13:02] <hrw> generate image so I will test it
[13:03] <ogra> tomorrows daily should have it
[13:04] <hrw> ok, remind me tomorrow then
[13:04] <lag> ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~ljones/lp592295-maverick-omap4/
[13:06] <lag> mythripk: ping
[13:17] <mythripk> lag:yes
[13:17] <mythripk> did u apply the patch ?
[13:18] <lag> I have more information on my problem
[13:18] <lag> I did
[13:18] <mythripk> ok
[13:18] <mythripk> so did it detect the timing ?
[13:18] <lag> It doesn't make much difference to me, but it does get rid of the SYNC_LOST_DIGIT errors
[13:18] <lag> Nope
[13:18] <lag> But I know what's happening
[13:18] <mythripk> can you paste the log ?
[13:19] <lag> It can't handle my monitor when it enters power saving mode
[13:19] <mythripk> you dont have to give any bootargs now , what do you mean by it cant handle ?
[13:19] <lag> If I turn on my monitor _just_ before kernel boot (i.e. does not give the monitor enough time to go into power saving mode) then everything is fine
[13:19] <lag> I still have to give bootargs
[13:20] <lag> If I don't give bootargs, the monitor goes nuts
[13:20] <lag> Big blocks of colour flashing on the screen
[13:20] <mythripk> with the patch , it doest take any bootargs
[13:21] <lag> With the patch, if I don't provide bootargs, the screen goes bonkers
[13:21] <mythripk> did u apply the one tthat i mailed?  can you please paste the log ?
[13:22] <lag> Yes, both
[13:22] <lag> Okay
[13:23] <lag> I need to give you two logs
[13:23] <lag> Firstly when the monitor is _on_
[13:24] <lag> Then when the monitor is in _power saving mode_
[13:24] <mythripk> okies
[13:24] <lag> Both with no args?
[13:24] <mythripk> yes
[13:24] <mythripk> both with no args
[13:24] <lag> setenv bootargs vram=32M, omapfb.vram=0:8M console=tty2 console=ttyO2,115200n8 noinitrd mem=463M root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ip=none; mmcinit 0; fatload mmc 0 0x80200000 uImage; bootm 0x80200000
[13:24] <lag> FYI
[13:27] <lag> I have to rebuild my card
[13:27] <lag> It's saying "Bad Magic Number"
[13:27] <mythripk> :) take your time
[13:35] <lag> mythripk: This is with bootargs - monitor _on_ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/463491/
[13:36] <lag> mythripk: This is without bootargs - monitor _on_ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/463493/
[13:38] <lag> mythripk: This is without bootargs - monitor _power saving mode_ : http://paste.ubuntu.com/463494/
[13:38] <lag> The first one works, the second and third do not
[13:40] <mythripk> ya with first one it is selecting hdmi 720p mode , 2nd i see sync lost digit and 3rd one omapdss HDMI error: Failed to lock PLL
[13:42] <lag> Yep
[14:43] <rsalveti> morning
[14:53] <rsalveti> ogra: can you take a look at the code again? I changed to support root the same way as before
[14:53] <rsalveti> I also changed usage so we can update the man page easily
[14:56] <ogra> devtmpfs.mount=0 needs to stay in the cmdline opts
[14:56] <rsalveti> ouch, true, forgot that
[14:57] <rsalveti> I removed that when testing as user, so I didn't need to worry about giving a nod list for genext2fs
[14:58] <rsalveti> ogra: why this was added to cmdline in the past?
[14:59] <ogra> because you end up without /dev/console and /dev/null in some situations
[14:59] <ogra> looks good to merge, did you think of adding the necessary dependencies to the packaging ?
[15:00] <ogra> fakeroot at least
[15:00] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, will do the packaging later :-) have the changes here, but want to push some more fixes first
[15:00] <rsalveti> so I can update the package only once, with probably a new small release
[15:00] <ogra> k, just go ahead, looks good to me (and i'll send complaints your way anyway ;) )
[15:01] <rsalveti> ogra: nice
[15:01] <rsalveti> ogra: so, back to the devtmpfs.mount=0, should I just add this by default and request a default list of nods to be created by genext2fs?
[15:02] <rsalveti> just need to see what are the minimum dev list, and put that at the code
[15:02] <rsalveti> when root we don't need to worry about it
[15:02] <ogra> just add it back to the cmdline and dont worry about it anymore
[15:02] <ogra> it was for some combo of jaunty with lucid kernel iirc
[15:03] <ogra> no need to create nodes
[15:03] <rsalveti> ogra: oh ok, but with user that gives a kernel panic, afaik
[15:03] <rsalveti> will test it here again
[15:04] <rsalveti> because you can't create the nods unless you request genext2fs to do it
[15:04] <ogra> oh, then make it conditional
[15:04] <ogra> then we simply dont support --no-root with jaunty filesystems :P
[15:04] <rsalveti> haha, easier :P
[15:05] <rsalveti> nice, will change it here and push at trunk
[15:05] <rsalveti> and move to the other fixes
[15:05] <ogra> jaunty will be EOL when maverick releases anyway
[15:05] <rsalveti> I believe that after fixing most of the bugs, and probably testing/fixing the gui we can release the 2.0
[15:05] <rsalveti> try
[15:05] <rsalveti> *true
[15:05] <ogra> cool !
[15:15] <mpoirier> ogra: I installed lucid UNR via netboot yesterday
[15:16] <mpoirier> ogra: is it supposed to be a console login prompt via VGA or graphical prompt ?
[15:16] <amitk> mpoirier: hope you are back in fighting fit condition :)
[15:17] <amitk> mpoirier: there was question regarding the IGEPv2 board support in ubuntu. I believe you have one?
[15:18] <mpoirier> I shipped the board to tgardner
[15:18] <mpoirier> I didn't have time with all the issues we see on bb
[15:18] <amitk> aah
[15:19] <mpoirier> I whish I had time though...
[15:19] <mpoirier> seems like a good little board.
[16:52] <ogra> mpoirier, UNR is definately supposed to run a graphical session
[16:53] <mpoirier> mine is surely not.
[16:53] <mpoirier> GrueMaster told me to install netbook-launcher-efl
[16:53] <mpoirier> any idea why it wasn't installed ?
[16:53] <ogra> mpoirier, you selected the netbook task during task selection ?
[16:54] <mpoirier> what other choices did i have ?
[16:54] <ogra> tons
[16:54] <ogra> its a very long list
[16:54] <mpoirier> then I assume i did it wrong.
[16:54] <ogra> it includes all tasks that are available in ubuntu
[16:54] <ogra> which doc did you follow ?
[16:54] <mpoirier> hold on.
[16:55] <mpoirier> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall
[16:55] <mpoirier> it doesn't say anything about choosing the netbook option.
[16:55] <ogra> well, during install you are asked for selecting a task
[16:56] <ogra> that can be a LAMP server, an xfce desktop, or the ubuntu.netbook task
[16:56] <ogra> ot one of the other 100 things you can choose there
[16:56] <mpoirier> will I be fine after installing  netbook-launcher-efl or there will be other things missing ?
[16:56] <ogra> *or
[16:56] <ogra> there might be things missing
[16:56] <ogra> you should have installed the ubuntu-netbook metapackage instead
[16:57] <ogra> it will install netbook-launcher-efl along the other stuff
[16:57] <mpoirier> ok, I'll install the  ubuntu-netbook
[16:57] <ogra> that should give you everything you need
[16:57] <mpoirier> I'll try thanks.
[16:57] <ogra> (its what the task selection does as well)
[16:58] <mpoirier> is there another wiki somewhere that describe (properly) how to install lucid UNR on bb ?
[16:58] <ogra> just the std installer documentation
[16:59] <GrueMaster> mpoirier: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle gives you the install options available.
[17:00] <GrueMaster> For Lucid.
[17:02] <ogra> GrueMaster, i think mpoirier was rather confused by debian-installer ... and i dont think we have any proper docs for the non graphical install anymore
[17:03] <GrueMaster> yea, I can look into adding some in my spare time.
[17:03] <GrueMaster> Right now, I have several karmic/lucid kernels to test.
[17:03] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation has a ton of docs, but i dont see a step by setp guide for the alternate installer
[17:05] <GrueMaster> I just wish there was a mirroring app that worked.  ubumirror sucks down everything we've ever created, and apt-mirror doesn't get enough to do an install.
[17:05] <GrueMaster> And for me, installing from ports.ubuntu.com is painful.
[17:06] <ogra> use approx :)
[17:06] <ogra> it just cacches
[17:06] <GrueMaster> approx?
[17:06] <ogra> apt proxy
[17:06] <GrueMaster> I have a local server that I want to use as a mirror for lucid & maverick armel only.
[17:07] <ogra> you only very very rarely need a real mirror
[17:07] <ogra> then install approx on there
[17:07] <hrw> or apt-cacher-ng
[17:07] <GrueMaster> My downloads from the main server are at best 100kps.
[17:07] <hrw> 3MB/s here from ubuntu mirror
[17:07] <ogra> it only downloads packages it doesnt have or which are outdated
[17:08] <GrueMaster> same with apt-mirror.
[17:08] <GrueMaster> Problem is when I need to do a net install.
[17:09] <hrw> 724KB/s from ports. quite ok but caching helps for multi machines
[17:09] <GrueMaster> I'll tinker with ubumirror.  Maybe I can get it to overlay on top of apt-mirror's pull with only dists that I select and ignore pool.
[17:09] <GrueMaster> hrw: where are you?
[17:09] <hrw> GrueMaster: Poland
[17:09] <hrw> GrueMaster: 30/3Mbps connection at home
[17:09] <GrueMaster> ports.ubuntu.com is in London.
[17:09] <GrueMaster> I'm in the states.
[17:10] <GrueMaster> The bottleneck is in the pipe between.
[17:10] <hrw> us.ports.ubuntu.com would be nice
[17:10] <ogra> no
[17:10] <ogra> moving armel off the ports machine is the right solution
[17:10] <GrueMaster> I can pull from a local mirror for x86 stuff at ~1.5M/s but there are no ports mirros.
[17:11] <ogra> its an official arch ... so it should live on archive.u.c
[17:11] <hrw> ogra: not before 11.10 probably
[17:11] <ogra> i know asac was fighting for it when he still was in the mobile team
[17:11] <GrueMaster> maybe bring it up at UDS-N.
[17:12] <ogra> well, until then use approx or apt-cacher-ng
[17:12] <ogra> i even use it over my n900 line sometimes
[17:12] <GrueMaster> I'll read the docs on them.
[17:13] <hrw> ok, have a nice rest of day
[19:04] <mindlord> Hi, I'm having a problem creating a tarball with rootstock... aside from the required fqdn/username/password combo I've tried seeding lxde,gdm and just trying xubuntu-desktop, and I've tried 1GB and 1.5GB sizes... the result is the same every time... It gets to setting up libglade-2.0 and it just sits there indefinately. I've even run it overnight. Suggestions?
[19:06] <mindlord> Oddly I've had success before with lxde,gdm and everything went peachy, but it doesn't work now... for some reason.
[19:09] <mindlord> Correction- This library - Setting up libglade2-0 (1:2.6.4-1build1) ...
[19:16] <rcn-ee> mindlord, lucid ?
[19:18] <mindlord> rcn-ee: yes...
[19:19] <rcn-ee> mindlord, bug 532733
[19:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 7) (dups: 1) (heat: 79)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733
[19:19] <rsalveti> yep, probably this bug is the reason
[19:19] <rsalveti> mindlord: with big images qemu gets stuck
[19:20] <mindlord> drat.
[19:20] <mindlord> I was hoping to get Ubuntu running on my Pandora.
[19:20] <mindlord> The working image I created was on a machine that died suddenly.
[19:20] <rcn-ee> two workarounds...  start with a simple rootstock image and apt-get what you need on real hardware, or use one of the native-rootstock patches floating around..
[19:21] <mindlord> I could probably go the simple route fairly easily. It's just a matter of getting the wifi working.
[19:21] <rsalveti> yep, easier
[19:22] <mindlord> I guess I could always grab the packages I need and dump them on the card and dpkg them in afterwards.
[19:22] <NCommander> mindlord: your better off trying a real basic set of packages (ubuntu-minimial/ubuntu-standard), then apt-get the rest on
[19:22] <NCommander> you can use apt-move to move packages in-mass
[19:23] <mindlord> Alright. worth a shot anyways... I'm not any progress as it is. :)
[19:23] <mindlord> Thanks for the info.
[21:16] <JaMa> cwillu_at_work: did you resolve your "unknown relocation: 3" problem in 2.6.35 kernel? I have the same with OE built kernels...
[22:16] <cwillu_at_work> JaMa, there was some changes in 2.6.35 causing that
[22:16] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, what did you have to do to fix that?
[22:16] <cwillu_at_work> JaMa, it's resolved, but rcn-ee did the work
[22:25] <JaMa> cwillu_at_work: maybe this patch? http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg89760.html


[01:55] <axp_> Hi !
[07:06] <didrocks> morning
[08:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers, happy friday
[08:42] <seb128> mvo, hey, does https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/software-properties/fix-1306494/+merge/240081 look fine to you?
[08:43] <didrocks> morning seb128
[08:43] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-)
[08:44] <mvo> seb128: let me check
[08:44] <mvo> seb128: totally
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, should I merge/upload it?
[08:44] <mvo> seb128: go for it
[08:44] <mvo> thanks
[08:44] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[08:56] <ari-tczew> hello
[08:57] <ari-tczew> I've proposed a merge of simple-scan, would be nice to get it reviewed ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/simple-scan/ubuntu/+merge/242459
[08:59] <didrocks> hey ari-tczew ;)
[08:59] <ari-tczew> hey didrocks
[08:59] <didrocks> I guess seb128 is piloting (not sure if he would prefer robert_ancell to review it next week though)
[09:00] <didrocks> ari-tczew: I just looked quickly, I don't think we would to depend on adwaita-icon-theme,
[09:00] <seb128> yeah, that's robert_ancell's land
[09:01] <didrocks> anyway, simple-scan is in main, and adwaita-icon-theme in universe, so either way, either a MIR or depends back on gnome-icon-theme instead
[09:01] <didrocks> (I think we want the latest, we don't want to have some icons not matching the ubuntu theme installed by default)
[09:02] <seb128> mvo, could you also look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1381050/+merge/238873 and https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/software-properties/lp1383289/+merge/238890 ? they are small ones as well
[09:02] <didrocks> the rest lgtm, but you should really poke robert
[09:03] <ari-tczew> didrocks: You're right, adwaita-icon-theme is in universe and we should drop this one depend. I'll update branch ASAP.
[09:04] <Laney> hullo thur huppy fruday
[09:05] <didrocks> hey hey Mr Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaney! :)
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday!
[09:05] <Laney> what's up fool
[09:05]  * Laney is a gangster now
[09:06] <didrocks> Friday \o/
[09:06] <Laney> \o/
[09:07] <Laney> hey seb128, good day off?
[09:08] <willcooke> morning all, I'm still ill.  Going back to bed.  Will keep an eye on IRC/mail should anyone want me.
[09:08] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:08] <willcooke> larsu, ^^^ can we skip our meeting?
[09:09] <willcooke> hey seb128
[09:09] <seb128> got the flu?
[09:09] <didrocks> get some rest willcooke
[09:09] <willcooke> yeah think so.  Sore throat, cough, headache, etc
[09:09] <seb128> k, get better!
[09:10] <willcooke> didrocks, Laney - thanks for covering the meeting yesterday
[09:10] <Laney> np, it was a blast!
[09:10] <didrocks> yw
[09:19] <mvo> seb128: sure, having a look now
[09:19] <mvo> willcooke: get well!
[09:19] <seb128> mvo, danke
[09:21] <darkxst> didrocks, I am pretty sure there are some new icons in adwaita-icon-theme needed for 3.14
[09:22] <darkxst> so either those need to be copied across to gnome-icon-theme, or adwaita-icon-theme needs an MIR (with merge of packaging split like gnome-icon-theme)
[09:23] <larsu> willcooke: of course. Get better!
[09:23] <didrocks> darkxst: yeah, that's maybe a good point. Not related to simple-scan though as we already have 3.14 here
[09:24] <tjaalton> did some fonts change in utopic.. I get either blank space or utf code boxes instead of text in some cases in firefox & thunderbird
[09:24] <tjaalton> and when pasted on a terminal I see the text
[09:25] <darkxst> didrocks, no not related to simple scan, but possibly needed when gtk 3.14 lands
[09:27] <didrocks> agreed
[09:28] <tjaalton> gnome-font-viewer crashes
[09:37] <tjaalton> hm, I can only change the font size, not the font itself.. something is most def broken
[09:41] <seb128> tjaalton, I had issues like that but that looked like xorg stack issues
[09:41] <seb128> e.g restarting the session makes them go away
[09:44] <Laney> ooh
[09:44] <Laney> a new and exciting dpkg failure
[09:44] <Laney> "cycle found while processing triggers"
[09:45] <tjaalton> seb128: gnome stack, but ok
[09:53] <tjaalton> no help here
[09:58] <mvo> seb128: do you want me merge/upload the software-properties stuff or shall I do it?
[09:59] <seb128> mvo, as you wish, I'm fine doing the merge/test/upload if you approve the mps, but it you want to do that feel free as well ;-)
[10:00] <mvo> seb128: ok, let me do it then
[10:01] <seb128> mvo, danke
[10:18] <willcooke> hey mzanetti
[10:18] <mzanetti> hey willcooke
[10:18] <mzanetti> so, seb128, soon we're getting the preliminary desktop thing in unity8 landed
[10:19] <seb128> mzanetti, \o/
[10:19] <mzanetti> and for now we'd require a gsettings override to activate it (until he have some sort of convergence rule thingie)
[10:19] <mzanetti> what would you suggest where to put that?
[10:20] <Laney> ubuntu-settings
[10:20] <mzanetti> that's not installed on phone/tablet right?
[10:20] <Laney> no there is -touch-settings for that
[10:21] <Laney> (check seeded-in-ubuntu ubuntu-settings)
[10:22] <larsu> hi Laney!
[10:22] <Laney> what up larsu
[10:22] <larsu> sencha vanilla
[10:22] <larsu> it's awesome, who'd have thought
[10:22] <Laney> english breakfast \m/ >_< \m/
[10:23] <larsu> of course :P
[10:23] <larsu> how are you?
[10:23] <seb128> mzanetti, you want to know where to install the gsettings key?
[10:24] <mzanetti> seb128: I'm currently searching launchpad for it, got lost in some Infinity OS Settings project :D
[10:24] <mzanetti> seb128: so yeah, please tell me :)
[10:25] <seb128> mzanetti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas I guess
[10:26] <seb128> Laney, ubuntu(-touch)-settings is about defaults iirc?
[10:26] <seb128> it doesn't have a schemas
[10:26] <Laney> he asked for somewhere to put an override
[10:26] <seb128> no he didn't
[10:26] <seb128> oh
[10:26] <seb128> or I misread
[10:26] <seb128> mzanetti, is the key in e.g the unity8 schemas and you just want to override the value?
[10:26] <mzanetti> seb128: ah wait, we have a key in unity8, given it's temporary for sure (convergence will work different)
[10:27] <seb128> or do you look at where to define the key?
[10:27] <seb128> oh ok
[10:27] <seb128> so what Laney said
[10:27] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings
[10:27] <Laney> apt-get source ubuntu-settings, look in debian/...override, should be obvious what to do but shout if not
[10:27] <mzanetti> exactly, we just want to automatically enable the windowed mode if you run it from unity8-desktop-session-mir somehow
[10:27] <seb128> that's not going to work for your case I think though
[10:29] <larsu> mzanetti: how will convergence work?
[10:29]  * larsu hates temporary solutions
[10:29] <Laney> I think effectively everyone will have it installed, but you could otherwise have a new file in the session package which does this
[10:31] <seb128> Laney, mzanetti, the issue is that desktop next has both ubuntu-settings and ubuntu-touch-settings installed
[10:31] <seb128> so either we need to put an higher priority override in desktop
[10:31] <Laney> why's that an issue?
[10:31] <Laney> there will be one override
[10:31] <seb128> it makes the behaviour a bit randomp
[10:31] <Laney> don't understand
[10:32] <mzanetti> seb128: I guess we're fine as long as the override is NOT installed on phone/tablet
[10:32] <mzanetti> larsu: thsi should explain why we won't have a config value in the end: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1K1oV4vMc-FduKUNYYO62zPUCU5WMb74zjer8KzYzhLg/edit#slide=id.p
[10:32] <seb128> Laney, I don't feel confident that we are not going to get ubuntu-settings installed on some tablet sort of installs at some point
[10:32] <seb128> it feels hackish to depends on what packages are installed
[10:33] <seb128> but at the same time having defaults for touch and non touch seems hackish as well
[10:33] <seb128> so maybe it's ok as a temporary thing
[10:34] <seb128> it would feel more robust if the session job was setting it
[10:34] <larsu> won't we get different defaults depending on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?
[10:34] <mzanetti> seb128: yeah, I tend to agree
[10:34] <larsu> could use the same mechanism for this
[10:34] <seb128> larsu, the day we have that we can use them yes
[10:34] <seb128> larsu, but we don't atm iirc
[10:34] <larsu> seb128: I know... I reviewed desrt's patch again but he didn't reply yet (vacation and all)
[10:35] <larsu> seb128: I'll annoy him about it again
[10:35] <seb128> getting there :-)
[10:35] <seb128> thanks
[10:35] <Laney> you can override it in the desktop session package if you want, I don't think it really matters for some hack
[10:35] <Laney> looking at $DESKTOP_SESSION would feel nicer to me
[10:36] <larsu> where's the difference between the two?
[10:36] <larsu> desktop_session and xdg_current_desktop
[10:36] <Laney> DESKTOP_SESSION is just the name of the .session file
[10:36] <Laney> it works now :-)
[10:37] <mzanetti> can we have gsettings overrides at login based on such a env var?
[10:37] <mzanetti> I'm asking for that because we'd like to be able to switch it at runtime
[10:37] <larsu> Laney: oh right. Ya, this should have been finished a long time ago, but desrt and I shaved a yak...
[10:37] <mzanetti> atm you can change the dconf key and it'll transform on the fly between the tablet looks and the desktop mode
[10:38] <larsu> mzanetti: yes, that's the plan
[10:39] <mzanetti> cool
[10:46] <darkxst> mzanetti, its not possible to do per-session gsettings overrides, so they need to be done in code
[10:49] <darkxst> it would certainly be useful though upstream don't seem to interested in the idea
[10:54] <mzanetti> hmm
[10:57] <mzanetti> so how are we going to proceed with this?
[10:59] <darkxst> mzanetti, you need to write code to check the env var
[10:59] <larsu> darkxst: we just talked about this, we want to add being being able to change defaults based on XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[11:00] <darkxst> larsu, that is not possible with gsettings overrides
[11:00] <Laney> mzanetti: ubuntu-settings or a new override in the unity8-desktop-sesion
[11:00] <larsu> darkxst: yes, this is why we want to add it...
[11:01] <darkxst> larsu, add it to glib?
[11:01] <larsu> darkxst: yes, where else?
[11:03] <darkxst> bug 1222053
[11:05] <larsu> darkxst: not sure why you linked to the bug?
[11:08] <darkxst> larsu, between comment #1 and #2 it may be possible to load overrides by setting GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR
[11:11] <Laney> Pretty sure they have worked out how to do it upstream already, the aforementioned yak
[11:11] <Laney> darkxst: I've got someone emailing me asking to update to evo 3.12.8 in gnome3-staging, you going to do that?
[11:13] <darkxst> Laney, for which series?
[11:13] <Laney> trusty
[11:14] <darkxst> probably not, we only plan to support gnome3 ppa for the LTS
[11:14] <Laney> I guess ricotz (never here when you want him)
[11:15] <larsu> darkxst: not sure what the plan is, but probably not based on GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIRS
[11:15] <larsu> darkxst: (I'm more involved in the yak-shaving part than the gsettings part)
[11:17]  * Laney emailed ricotz instead
[11:17] <darkxst> larsu, that is how shell extensions get their schemas
[11:18] <larsu> ya, I know
[11:20] <darkxst> and I haven't looked at this stuff in over a year, but seems it would probably be easy enough to do the same with overrides
[11:33] <Laney> larsu: where are gnome module maintainers listed?
[11:34] <larsu> Laney: good question... don't know
[11:34] <Laney> hmm okay
[11:34] <darkxst> Laney, in the doap file
[12:17] <mitya57> Laney: would you mind if I upload my webkit ppc64el patch? I am not able to test it myself, and I don't have enough time if I also want that patch in Jessie.
[12:18] <Laney> mitya57: Ah yeah, let's test that in the porter, shall we?
[12:18] <Laney> Remind me of the bug #?
[12:19] <mitya57> debian #762670 has all needed information
[12:19] <Laney> You should go bug #debian-admin about gettin an account :-)
[12:24] <mitya57> Asked them.
[12:25] <Laney> build-deps installing
[12:25]  * mitya57 hugs Laney
[12:37] <Laney> mitya57: the patch on the upstream report doesn't apply
[12:37] <Laney> fedora one does though
[12:37]  * Laney tries that
[12:38] <mitya57> Laney: oh yes, Fedora's one
[12:40]  * Laney screams every time a program isn't installed
[12:41] <Laney> 'kay, building, will get back to you in an hour or so
[12:41] <Laney> ppc64el is fast
[12:46]  * mitya57 refuses to believe that webkit can build in just an hour
[12:49] <Laney> we'll see about that!
[13:31] <seb128> Laney, do you remember why you did bump the kernel version in your most recent commit on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/installation-guide/ubuntu ?
[13:31] <seb128> you wrote "Bump names for Utopic, including GNOME but not kernel"
[13:31] <seb128> so you deliberately left it out, was that because the version was not decided yet when you did that?
[13:33] <Laney> seb128: no I don't remember but it's probably that
[13:33] <seb128> Laney, ok, thanks
[13:33] <Laney> I don't know why I touched that
[13:33] <Laney> maybe while patch piloting
[13:34] <seb128> that's what I'm doing :p
[14:12] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128!
[14:12] <seb128> hey GunnarHj
[14:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: I should have changed the status of that MP to "work in progress". Just did.
[14:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, thanks!
[14:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: But let me take this opportunity to ask you:
[14:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: There is a pending lightdm MP which proposes that /usr/sbin/lightdm-session is run under bash. That allows for a better solution. Would you have any objections to running Xsession under bash?
[14:15] <seb128> GunnarHj, no objection, I don't think the performance difference is going to be noticable and it seems more robust/easier code to maintain
[14:16] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks, then I'll get back with a revised GDM MP as soon as pitti has reviewed the new lightdm MP.
[14:16] <seb128> ok, great
[14:16] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice-l10n_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.3.3/libreoffice_4.3.3-0ubuntu2_source.changes <- ubuntu revision bumped to ubuntu2 for vivid ...
[14:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[14:17] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey btw, happy friday ;-)
[14:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: Its Friday? Lets get trolling!
[14:18] <seb128> Sweet5hark, seems like you missed the morning trolls? still have the afternoon to make up for it ;-)
[14:18] <Sweet5hark> seb128: now I know why you came back from vacation for this one day ;)
[14:19] <seb128> hehe
[14:44] <seb128> Sweet5hark, uploaded
[14:44] <seb128> on that note, time for some exercice before it gets dark out there
[14:50]  * Laney shivers
[14:50] <Laney> cold up here
[14:56]  * ogra_ wonders if Laney moved to the US
[15:08] <Laney> mitya57: some link step is failing, blerg blergy blerg
[15:09] <mitya57> Laney: what error message? it may be just OOM
[15:09] <Laney> none, but no OOM in dmesg
[15:09] <Laney> probably is something like that
[15:10]  * Laney adds some linker flags
[15:16] <Laney> If this fails I'll nab a silo
[15:23]  * Laney uploads nautilus 3.14 to desktop ppa
[15:29] <Laney> ah
[15:29] <Laney> ENOSPC
[15:34] <mitya57> If you upload it into a silo then I can add it to dependencies of my PPA and test Sphinx there.
[15:34]  * mitya57 bbl
[15:34] <Laney> I'm abusing people to clean up their home directories first
[15:35] <Laney> where "abuse" is "ask really nicely"
[15:36] <ricotz> Laney, hi, what will be the e-d-s version for the utopic upload? i assume 3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1??
[15:36] <Laney> ricotz: probably
[15:37] <Laney> if you use ubuntu0~stuff you'll be okay
[15:37] <ricotz> ok, trying to preserve the upgrade path
[15:37] <ricotz> 3.12.8-0ubuntu0.1~trusty1
[15:38] <Laney> thanks for working on it
[15:38] <ricotz> 0ubuntu0~ is problematic for internal deps iirc
[15:40] <Laney> mitya57: you probably don't have a PPA that builds for ppc64el so I don't think you can test it there
[15:40] <Laney> I can copy packages though
[15:51] <axp_> Hi to everyone... is here someone who maintains/develop Ubuntu Software Center ?
[15:55] <Laney> mitya57: okay ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005 keep an eye on that
[16:06] <didrocks> axp_: hey, mvo did in the past, however there is no such much maintenance nowdays as we'll transition with unity8 to the click store
[16:14] <Sweet5hark> seb128_: thanks
[16:15] <seb128_> Sweet5hark, yw!
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> as for "exercise before it gets dark" -- its so foggy here, one would run into trees even here ...
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> s/here/in bright daylight/
[16:17] <axp_> didrocks: mvo: I found a "unclear" screen about a package
[16:22] <axp_> didrock: mvo: http://imgur.com/wWD5Akk
[16:26] <seb128> hum
[16:26] <seb128> mvo, having any issue with the software-properties changes/upload?
[16:26] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: any update/feedback on bug 1389858 btw?
[16:32] <Laney> ricotz: do you have a vcs for gnome3-staging updates?
[16:32] <Laney> want to merge nautilus into ubuntu-desktop
[16:34] <seb128> Laney, saw bug #1393252 ?
[16:35] <Laney> seb128: nope!
[16:35] <Laney> good stuff
[16:35] <seb128> now you did then ;-)
[16:35] <Laney> looks to be the same
[16:39] <mvo> seb128: no, just busy, if it looks good to you, just upload
[16:40] <seb128> mvo, I didn't look at it since you said you would ;-)
[16:40] <seb128> no worry, there is no hurry
[16:40] <seb128> I just don't want it to fall through the cracks
[16:40] <seb128> I know how it is, friday, then on monday new week start with backlog and crazyness and nobody is going to have slot for that one anymore ;-)
[16:44] <Laney> hmm, it has dialogs with headerbar
[16:49] <seb128> :-/
[16:50] <mvo> seb128: I merged it all, wrote a test
[16:50] <seb128> mvo, thanks!
[16:51] <mvo> seb128: I just upload a build that I need to wait on anyway
[16:51] <mvo> seb128: so let me finish it, sorry again
[16:51] <Laney> sword fight time?
[16:53] <mvo> Laney: sword?!?
[16:53] <seb128> mvo, no worry, thanks ;-)
[16:53] <mvo> uploaded
[16:53] <mvo> Laney: is rock climbing not dangerous enough anymore?
[16:53] <Laney> mvo: https://xkcd.com/303/
[16:54] <Laney> however, I'm now imagining a film scene
[16:54] <Laney> sword fight while climbing some awesome route
[16:54] <Laney> to rescue the president dangling from the top
[16:55] <mvo> Laney: hahaha
[16:56] <dednick> charles: hey. something seems to be off with the indicator-datetime translations
[16:57] <dednick> charles: po files are all for old c code.
[16:58] <seb128> dednick, what serie? example?
[17:00] <dednick> seb128: lp:indicator-datetime. "./src/formatter-dekstop.cpp" has translatable strings but no translation entries exist in po files.
[17:03] <seb128> dednick, I don't see that
[17:03] <seb128> dednick, e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/indicator-datetime/+pots/indicator-datetime/fr/10/+translate
[17:07] <dednick> hm. thats weird. why aren't they in the .po files?
[17:07] <dednick> in the source tree
[17:10] <achiang> willcooke: feeling better today? :)
[17:10] <willcooke> achiang, :) not really
[17:10] <willcooke> should be sleeping, but ya know how it is
[17:11] <willcooke> I'd end up on my laptop in bed anyway
[17:11] <willcooke> so this is probably better
[17:11] <achiang> heh
[17:11] <willcooke> so how's things going out there in the real world ;)
[17:12] <achiang> so i have this unity7 multi-monitor bug that seems trivially reproducible
[17:12] <willcooke> yeah, I read some of the backlog from yesterday
[17:12] <willcooke> its on bregma radar now I think?
[17:13] <achiang> 14.04.1, turn on workspaces, use VGA for external display; then: open gnome-terminal on workspace in upper right on laptop screen. suspend machine. resume machine. gnome-terminal appears on external display
[17:13] <achiang> out here in the real world, it's fun to use ubuntu to actually build other things :)
[17:14] <achiang> except when i'm plagued by this paper cut on a daily basis ;)
[17:14] <willcooke> :)
[17:14] <willcooke> I hear ya
[17:14] <achiang> not sure if it's on bregma's radar; to be fair, i haven't filed a bug report
[17:15] <achiang> but it seems strange that i'm the only one with this issue
[17:15] <willcooke> yeah, I would have expected quite a lot of people to do that kind of thing
[17:15] <willcooke> (plug/unplug monitors etc)
[17:15] <achiang> in my particular case i'm not even unplugging anything
[17:15] <Laney> larsu: construct-only properties and GtkBuilder, how do? you know?
[17:16] <achiang> the vga cable stays plugged in during the suspend/resume
[17:16] <willcooke> oh, yeah, sorry
[17:16] <bregma> it's the same as plug/unplug because it takes so long in dog years for the monitor to be recognized
[17:16] <seb128> dednick, the po in the source are not used/updated
[17:17] <seb128> dednick, we export translations directly from launchpad to langpacks
[17:17] <dednick> seb128: should probably be deleted in that case. it's confusing.
[17:17] <seb128> dednick, we should maybe delete the old .po in the source to avoid confusio
[17:17] <achiang> bregma: but if that's the case, why would windows appear on the slow-recognized display?
[17:17] <achiang> you'd think they'd appear on the fast-recognized one
[17:17] <seb128> dednick, yeah, talk to ted & charles about that I guess
[17:17] <achiang> because that's the one that exists upon resume
[17:17] <dednick> tedg: , charles: ^ :)
[17:18] <bregma> achiang, I'm not saying it's not a bug, but it's related to physical monitor changes
[17:19] <achiang> bregma: hm... is there a way to dump out names of open windows and their coordinates into a text file?
[17:19] <achiang> bregma: that seems like a fair place to start filing a bug report
[17:19] <tedg> Yeah, I think they should go.
[17:19] <bregma> Trevinho, ^^
[17:20] <tedg> I think it'd make indicator-datetime build like 10ns faster as well! ;-)
[17:20] <Trevinho> achiang: well, you can use a script using wnckprop
[17:21] <Trevinho> achiang: or... you install libxpathselect and use the autopitlo interface to get them
[17:21] <Trevinho> (dbus interface)
[17:21] <achiang> groan
[17:24] <achiang> ok, here is an existing bug report that describes another issue i have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/382056
[17:32] <seb128> hum, my latency to ubuntu.com sites is not good for some days
[17:32] <seb128> is anybody else having similar issues?
[17:35] <willcooke> seb128, had problems getting to answers. earlier
[17:35] <willcooke> sorry, ask.
[17:41] <seb128> Sweet5hark, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1342175 fixed with 3.3?
[17:41] <seb128> Sweet5hark, sorry, 4.3.3 I meant
[17:53] <charles> dednick, +1 on what seb128 says, iiuc the .po files in the repo are leftovers from the tarball days
[17:53] <charles> probably does make sense to remove those old .po files to avoid confusion
[18:05] <Laney> right, happy weekend!
[18:08] <Laney> mitya57: it built there, give me a package to upload and I'll do it some time this weekend
[18:08] <Laney> byeeeeeeeee
[18:17] <dobey> anyone have any idea why nautilus would not be drawing the background and won't open new windows?
[18:19] <didrocks> and with this success (just a minor TODO for Monday \o/) /me waves good week-end
[18:21] <dobey> guess i'll try to reboot and see if it fixes it
[20:23] <ChrisTownsend> achiang: You still around?  I'd like to discuss you "moving windows" issue.


[00:00] <cjohnston> its already marked invalid
[00:24] <zkriesse> newz2000: Ping
[02:14] <cjohnston> zkriesse: he kinda works 9-5.. what do you need
[02:16] <zkriesse> cjohnston: not important
[08:52] <AlanBell> morning newz2000, doing some light-wiki-theme stuff today?
[14:34] <newz2000> AlanBell: yes indeed. I think it'll be afternoon my time (it's 8:30am now)
[14:35] <AlanBell> 14:35 here
[21:13] <newz2000> Hi, if anyone sees any bugs about the wiki theme not marked as high or medium priority that they think should be addressed before going out to the general public, bring them to my attention soon
[21:13] <newz2000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki
[22:08] <AlanBell> I am pretty keen on bug 635035
[22:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 635035 in ubuntu-website "light-moin-theme is not on Launchpad (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635035
[22:11] <newz2000> AlanBell: there is going to be a new theme in a month, I'll probably just start fresh with that one
[22:14] <AlanBell> hmm, not so good
[22:14] <AlanBell> so at the moment there are a bunch of bugs that are not sufficiently high priority for you to address
[22:14] <AlanBell> which is totally fair enough
[22:15] <AlanBell> if bug 635035 is addressed then other people, such as myself can also make a time/priority judgement against the rest of the bugs
[22:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 635035 in ubuntu-website "light-moin-theme is not on Launchpad (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/635035
[22:15] <AlanBell> and I can start chucking merge requests at you instead of bug reports
[22:16] <AlanBell> at the moment everyone apart from you is a spectator and a critic
[22:17] <newz2000> AlanBell: it's tempting. Let me see how much work is involved in splitting it out.
[22:17] <AlanBell> I don't care about any other bug apart from that one, because if that one gets fixed all the others can follow
[22:18] <newz2000> Total agreement
[22:18] <newz2000> my only fear is that, since this is a very short-term solution it will be wasted effort.
[22:18] <AlanBell> copy the theme files to a fresh folder, bzr init, bzr push
[22:18] <newz2000> I hate wasting other people's effort :-/
[22:18] <AlanBell> yes, but it isn't *your* wasted effort so it doesn't matter :)
[22:18] <newz2000> ok
[22:19] <AlanBell> even if it is short term there are things like the Ubuntu Weekly news which gets published on the wiki and the team reports
[22:19] <AlanBell> both of which don't look great under the light theme at the moment
[22:19] <newz2000> I see
[22:20] <AlanBell> both of those things are important enough to round up resources to make this stuff work
[22:21] <AlanBell> plus Ubuntu Open Week https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek which starts on 11th october and runs to the 15th
[22:22] <AlanBell> if the theme is made default on the 13th then the schedule page gets totally reformatted mid-event
[22:22] <newz2000> indeed
[22:24] <AlanBell> akgraner: meet newz2000
[22:24] <akgraner> hey newz2000!!!
[22:24] <AlanBell> akgraner is the editor of the Ubuntu Weekly News
[22:24] <newz2000> hey amber!
[22:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, yep we've talked :-)
[22:25] <akgraner> I didn't know I had to talk to newz2000 about the wiki pages too :-)
[22:25] <AlanBell> good stuff
[22:25] <AlanBell> akgraner: are you also involved in Open Week?
[22:25] <akgraner> yep
[22:25] <AlanBell> so the shedule page would get the new theme halfway through the event
[22:25] <akgraner> oh wow - that is right
[22:25] <akgraner> eek
[22:27] <akgraner> so newz2000 look at UWN with the new theme
[22:27]  * newz2000 looks
[22:27] <akgraner> it's hard to see the headers and tell the different sections  - they all run together
[22:27] <newz2000> looks messy
[22:27] <akgraner> I was playing with issue 212
[22:27] <akgraner> so you'll see a line there
[22:28] <akgraner> This weeks hasn't gone out yet - I've been playing around with some different ways to make it look better - any ideas?
[22:29] <newz2000> The line is because moin is creating a list
[22:29] <newz2000> with one bullet
[22:29] <newz2000> I'm not sure why it does that
[22:29] <AlanBell> I don't think you would want to change the underlying markup much, I guess some people view it through the kubuntu theme or the edubuntu theme and it won't change for them
[22:29] <akgraner> hmmm
[22:29] <newz2000> yeah, but still
[22:30]  * newz2000 smacks moin for hideous markup
[22:30] <akgraner> So I am not sure how to make it look better
[22:30] <AlanBell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue212
[22:31] <akgraner> gotcha
[22:31] <AlanBell> or even https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue212
[22:31] <akgraner> Can we make the headers orange like theirs is blue :-)
[22:31] <newz2000> I'm sorry, I'm going to have to step out of this conversation. I've got a short time frame to get my stuff done. :-(
[22:32] <newz2000> I agree, these are problems.
[22:32] <newz2000> Iwill look into getting the code into lp for help
[22:32] <akgraner> newz2000, no worries  - thanks
[22:32] <newz2000> I will see if I can weasel some time in tomorrow morning (US time)
[22:32] <AlanBell> yay, get it in a bzr branch and we will throw merge requests at you
[22:33] <newz2000> ok
[22:33] <akgraner> thanks a million


[08:24] <jared> Anyone here have any good experience with dual monitor USB3 or Thunderbolt docks under Ubuntu?
[08:42] <jea> I haven't tried that before
[08:42] <jea> Thunderbolt I think could be a bit interesting to deal with
[12:23] <jared> jea: the logic is the only piece of hardware I can get that does what I want is a 13inch macbook pro. I'll use OSX for MS Office (for uni), set up a large data partition to share and then dual boot a Ubuntu partition
[12:24] <jared> All the pieces work together except to replace my old Dell dock.
[22:41] <thelionroars> http://andrewbath.com/bean/australia-a-new-state-of-terror/


[02:20] <spirock> me gustaria trabajar en el administrador de archivos, algun grupo establecido?
[02:20] <spirock> I would like to work in the file manager, any established group?
[14:17] <MostHated> do members of press have the OS already? I see several review videos on youtube posted from a home looking environment and such
[14:17] <k1l> can you give an example?
[14:17] <k1l> (just out of curiosity)
[18:21] <alo21> hi... I would like to write an app which show you articles of a lot of newspaper (like: the telegraph, corriere della sera, etc)
[18:23] <alo21> I found a project (RSS Reader), and I do not know if it is the same thing
[18:23] <ajalkane> It is not the same thing. Just go crazy with coding.
[18:24] <alo21> ajalkane, should I propose it as a core app?
[18:24] <ajalkane> Dunno... I doubt it
[18:25] <ajalkane> If you're parsing web-sites of magazines, those are bound to change from time to time. Doesn't sound like something that should be core.
[18:25] <ajalkane> RSS is a standard and all web-sites implementing it will work with RSS reader
[18:27] <alo21> ajalkane, so... with RSS you cannot parse a content of a page on your phone without opening a browser. Right?
[18:27] <ajalkane> No, with RSS you have an application that processed the documented RSS format
[18:27] <ajalkane> * prosesses
[18:27] <ajalkane> So each web-site, if it wishes, can give the documents in RSS format
[18:28] <ajalkane> And all RSS readers can show the contents
[18:29] <ajalkane> So it does away with the messiness of HTML, and having to implement HTML parsing for each and every web-site. Instead each web-site produces well documented format.
[18:30] <ajalkane> IMO you should go crazy with contributing to the RSS reader instead of trying to parse the HTML of each web-site
[18:31] <ajalkane> There are of course some sites that do not have RSS feeds where such specialized app can be of use.
[18:32] <alo21> ajalkane, yeha.... in fact is what I was going to tell you
[18:33] <alo21> ajalkane, but... how can I contribute if all project are closed?
[18:35] <ajalkane> alo21: for now, I think you have to fille the form in 4) in http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[18:36] <ajalkane> It is my understanding all these project will be opened in due time, but for now they're in limited access mode
[18:37] <ajalkane> And sorry for the typing mistakes
[18:38] <alo21> ajalkane, I did, but I am worried that they will not accept me. Do not worry about typing mistake, I am the King
[18:41] <ajalkane> No worries... if they don't accept you then it means they have enough contributors at the moment. Just keep an open eye when the project opens. Or start your own project if you're confident.
[18:41] <ajalkane> We can all contribute in one way or the other. Sometimes it means just lurking and waiting for the correct opportunity :)
[18:50] <alo21> OK. Thanks
[19:43] <allyourbase> ooh,what am i waiting to install ubuntu on my nexus device... thanks for making this possible!
[19:43] <allyourbase> hello, btw :)