[00:00] <melodie> have to go, good night
[00:00] <Trixar_za> Mostly getting confused and asking me to short it out :P
[00:01] <Trixar_za> So "I don't know" is a common phrase for them
[00:01] <melodie> oh... then you "short it" out?
[00:01] <kulelu88> :D
[00:01] <melodie> make IT short? XD
[00:01] <Trixar_za> sort*
[00:01] <kulelu88> now you're getting mocked :D
[00:01] <Trixar_za> It's 2am :P
[00:01] <kulelu88> :D :D :D
[00:02] <kulelu88> go short that sit out mannnn :D
[00:02] <melodie> yes at 2 am it's authorized to joke around words
[00:02] <melodie> what does NLP mean?
[00:02] <kulelu88> natural language processing
[00:02] <melodie> o_O
[00:03] <melodie> kheuff!
[00:03] <Trixar_za> It doesn't really work
[00:03] <Trixar_za> Like most things in IT :P
[00:03] <kulelu88> it got lost when you said short
[00:03] <melodie> bugs should be common in NLP
[00:03] <melodie> worse in WLP
[00:04] <melodie> :D
[00:04] <kulelu88> WLP?
[00:04] <melodie> I'll try to not forget about that one! NLP really?
[00:04] <melodie> XD
[00:04] <melodie> Written Language Processing !
[00:04] <melodie> XD
[00:04] <kulelu88> NLP + machine learning is how your french government is tracking you melodie ;)
[00:05] <Trixar_za> Woman Lover Programming?  Chat to you all later :)
[11:28] <Kilos> it works
[11:28] <inetpro> the bot is still in the repositories
[11:29] <Kilos> yes man but doesnt run
[11:29] <inetpro> even on vivid
[11:29] <Kilos> have you got an older releases on ec2
[11:29] <Kilos> 12.04 works still
[11:30] <gremble> :P Just get someone to code a new one
[11:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wat verstaan jy nie
[11:30]  * gremble not it
[11:30]  * inetpro is not interested in going backwards
[11:30] <Kilos> dat jy probeer dit maak werk op systeem na 12.04
[11:31] <inetpro> a package in the repositories is supposed to work
[11:31] <Kilos> key word - supposed
[11:31] <inetpro> it's not as if it's impossible to fix
[11:32]  * inetpro just don't have the time and energy to go through all the troubleshooting just yet
[11:32] <gremble> A bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's
[11:32] <gremble> So it is not impossible
[11:32] <gremble> Just tedious
[11:32] <inetpro> exactly
[11:32] <Kilos> confluency  are you here?
[11:33] <Kilos> A bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's
[11:33] <inetpro> ai!
[11:33] <gremble> Why are you stealing my words?
[11:34] <Kilos> so i can explain in geek whats wrong with the bot
[11:34] <confluency> Dudes. You do not need to run an entire older Ubuntu. Just run older evrsions of the libraries in a virtualenv.
[11:34] <Kilos> we discussed this a few days back
[11:36] <inetpro> confluency: my first step was to try the packaged version in the repositories based on instructions at http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/install.html
[11:36] <confluency> If you want to fix whatever is wrong with the bot so that it works properly with the new versions, that's a great idea, but that does not require a rewrite into python3. I don't know where that idea came from.  If would be a lot more constructive to fix the problems in the python2 version first.
[11:37] <Kilos> gremble  ^^
[11:37] <inetpro> confluency: it fails: http://bin.snyman.info/wzyew
[11:38] <gremble> Meh. Why fix it in an old standard. If you have to use new libraries to get the basics working again, may as well port it to 3.
[11:38] <gremble> But then again, I am not going to touch it, so anyone that wants to can do whatever they want :P
[11:38] <confluency> Because porting is non-trivial, and python2 isn't going anywhere for a long time,.
[11:38] <confluency> Porting takes time away from fixing things.
[11:39] <confluency> inetpro: OK, so there's a problem with SQLAlchemy. There's a bug related to this filed on the bugtracker.  It's still open, so I'm guessing this hasn't been fixed, but it looks like there are two ibid version branches so I'm not sure.
[11:40] <confluency> If you want to run it from non-system libraries ina virtualenv, you should install a local version, not the packaged version.
[11:41] <confluency> If it ran in 12.04, you should be able to check what the versions of these libraries were. Then you can install those versions of the libraries in a virtualenv. Then you can install ibid in the virtualenv as well.
[11:47] <inetpro> confluency: I'll try a bit later from source
[11:47] <Kilos> ty for the guidance confluency
[11:48] <confluency> You should also try the 0.2 branch -- stuff like this may be getting fixed in there.
[11:48] <confluency> I don't know very much about the current state of the project (I suspect that the former active developers are all otherwise occupied).
[11:49] <Kilos> yes  weed was the maintainer and he is gone and too busy in new job
[11:49] <inetpro> confluency: maybe you could join and help us to get it up to scratch again :-)
[11:49]  * inetpro wbb
[11:50] <confluency> Have a look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/517785 There's a patch; I think it may have been patched into a newer version.  So I'd try 0.2 first.
[11:50] <confluency> But I don't want to write an IRC bot. :P
[11:50] <confluency> I'm just here to backseat drive. ;)
[11:50] <confluency> s/patched/merged
[11:52] <Kilos> backseat driving is way better than staying at home
[11:52] <gremble> Not for the frontseat driver
[11:52] <Kilos> lol
[11:52] <Kilos> gremble  you are tough man
[11:52] <Kilos> roll with the punches
[11:52] <gremble> Haha
[11:53] <confluency> It looks like pypi only has 0.1.1 as well, so you'll probably have to get the source from Launchpad.
[11:53] <gremble> I can't python. So I am off the hook
[11:54] <Kilos> i have another idea, if ec2 can run 12.04 then ibid will work till 20.17
[11:54] <Kilos> by them gremble  can have learned python
[11:55] <Kilos> 2017
[11:56] <gremble> By that time you can have learnt python
[11:56] <gremble> :P
[12:06] <confluency> inetpro: yup, the sqlalchemy 0.6 / 0.7 support is in 0.2 for sure: https://code.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk
[12:07] <confluency> So with luck that version will run out of the box.
[12:33] <Squirm> Why not just compile from source?
[12:33] <Squirm> Get the latest version that should work on the distro
[12:34] <confluency> That *is* 0.2.
[12:35] <confluency> There's nothing to compile; it's python.
[12:38] <gremble> If I want to compile python, I damn well will :P
[12:47] <confluency> inetpro: I get the same error with 0.2; looks like a deprecated flag is being passed to sqlalchemy.
[12:52]  * hibana missed it
[12:57] <inetpro> confluency: I got a bit further this time
[12:57] <inetpro> See: http://bin.snyman.info/caq39
[13:00] <confluency> Hmm. Are you starting fresh, or using the old database?  I'm guessing the old database won't work without modification.
[13:02] <confluency> Have a look at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ibid-db
[13:03] <inetpro> confluency: I used instructions from a previous attempt
[13:03] <inetpro> http://bin.snyman.info/bub7t
[13:06] <inetpro> should probably try the bzr branch as well
[13:56] <superfly> inetpro: ah yes, I had to fix the code myself too
[14:04] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... please share with us, what did you change?
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:13] <inetpro> confluency: on 2015/02/04 Rogan wrote in the ibid channel, "ah, so it was not convert_unicode, it was assert_unicode that was the problem, it has been deprecated, so I just deleted the option, and everything is running now"
[14:13] <inetpro> not sure what exactly he deleted
[14:13] <inetpro> and in what file
[14:13] <confluency> The assert_unicode option wherever it was passed, I assume.
[14:14] <confluency> It's in a couple of places. You can grep the code for it./
[14:15] <confluency> I think it was deprecated in 0.6 and I'm guessing it was actually removed in 0.8, which is probably why the code is breaking now.
[14:15] <confluency> Could one of you guys maybe file a bug report with a patch on Launchpad?
[14:16] <Kilos> point me where and ill report it
[14:16]  * inetpro will have to look again later... busy with something else
[14:17] <confluency> The person who makes the change should report it, so that they can explain in detail and include the patch.
[14:17] <Kilos> ok
[15:12]  * hibana caught a big fish
[15:12] <Kilos> yay
[15:12] <Kilos> what kind
[15:13]  * Squirm gets to try out his new squash racket tonight
[15:13] <Squirm> ^^
[15:13] <inetpro> hibana: say hi to Kilos
[15:13] <Kilos> oh my
[15:13] <inetpro> oops
[15:13] <inetpro> hibanab: say hi to Kilos
[15:13] <hibanab> heya
[15:14] <Kilos> hi hibanab
[15:16]  * Kilos wonders if hibanab  has more experience at fixing things
[15:17] <inetpro> ok Kilos, what shall we name her?
[15:19] <Kilos> QA
[15:19] <Kilos> you have it working?
[15:20] <inetpro> hibanab: die
[15:20] <hibanab> inetpro: What?
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:21] <Kilos> maybe somewhere i have the ibid.db
[15:22] <Kilos> and three channels to join
[15:22] <Kilos> here africa and kilos
[15:22] <inetpro> QA: wb
[15:22] <QA> inetpro: *blink*
[15:22] <Kilos> oi
[15:23] <Kilos> QA  hi
[15:23] <QA> wasup
[15:28] <inetpro> confluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[15:29] <inetpro> QA: say hi to confluency
[15:29] <QA> good morning
[15:29] <confluency> Yay
[15:29] <Kilos> mr fixit wins again
[15:30] <inetpro> the important bit is 'pip install SQLAlchemy==0.6'
[15:30] <confluency> Is this 0.1.1 or o.2?
[15:30] <inetpro> to be honest, I haven't compared versions just yet
[15:31]  * inetpro simply cloned from https://github.com/ibid/ibid
[15:31] <inetpro> or rather forked
[15:32] <Kilos> wonderful to see such an old head work so well
[15:33] <inetpro> so if I do fix things, I shall fix my own fork at https://github.com/inetpro/ibid rather than breaking someone else's code
[15:34]  * inetpro is only a newbie
[15:34] <Kilos> but learning fast
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: but you see, we don't need python 3 just yet, and we don't need to run an old version of Ubuntu
[15:36] <Kilos> are you doing the virtual env thing
[15:36] <inetpro> ai!
[15:36] <Kilos> staright install?
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: rtfs
[15:36] <Kilos> straight
[15:37] <Kilos> sigh
[15:37] <gremble> What does the s stand for, inetpro ?
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: 04/27 17:28:48 <inetpro> confluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[15:37] <Kilos> script screen etc
[15:37] <inetpro> gremble: sshhh
[15:37] <gremble> Hmm?
[15:37] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <gremble> I don't even know why I am being shushed
[15:38] <Kilos> he first wants to torment me
[15:38] <Kilos> rtfs is his favourite way of making me lose even more hair
[15:38] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[15:39] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  howzit
[15:39] <gremble> Well, it does help to read
[15:39] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs
[15:39] <Maaz> Read the Freaking Source/Spec/Screen
[15:39] <inetpro> gremble: ^^
[15:39] <Kilos> good ty Langjan  and you?
[15:39] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos
[15:39] <Kilos> what did you break
[15:39] <Kilos> hehe
[15:40] <Langjan> Jy lees my soos 'n boek...Question please
[15:40] <Kilos> go ahead
[15:40] <inetpro> kom nou Kilos, waar is jou QA db?
[15:41] <Kilos> ek moet eers n krag ding soek vir eksterne inetpro
[15:41] <Kilos> patience
[15:41] <inetpro> ai!
[15:41] <gremble> This intermingling of afrikaans and english is hurting my brani
[15:41] <gremble> brain* even
[15:42] <Kilos> what brain
[15:42] <inetpro> sorry gremble
[15:42]  * inetpro thought he knew all about rtfs
[15:42] <gremble> The one I use for math :P
[15:42] <kulelu88> our youngest and oldest members are here today
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Langjan> I exported e-mails from Thunderbird on a Windows 7 system, they were saved as a a3n4iggw.default file, but this format is not recognised for re-import
[15:43] <inetpro> oi!
[15:43] <kulelu88> wouldn't .default be the thunderbird profile?
[15:43] <gremble> Oh, hey kulelu88
[15:43] <kulelu88> gremble: say hello to oom Langjan .
[15:43] <gremble> oom?
[15:44] <Langjan> OK could be, then I must find out how to match the folder to the Tbird profile in Win 7?
[15:44] <Langjan> Hi gremble
[15:44] <gremble> Hey Langjan.
[15:44] <Langjan> and kulelu88
[15:44] <Langjan> and inetpro
[15:45] <Langjan> Yes Kilos holds my age against me
[15:45] <Kilos> hahaha sorry
[15:45] <gremble> Langjan: Are you exporting from Thunderbird to Thunderbird?
[15:46] <Langjan> I suppose you cannot do anything about it can you?
[15:46] <Langjan> Yes gremble
[15:48] <Langjan> Forgiven Kilos
[15:48] <kulelu88> you can marry a young woman Langjan . Ask Kilos , his new gf is 48
[15:48] <Kilos> ty Langjan
[15:48] <Langjan> Wow! So 'n ou ramkat!
[15:48] <gremble> According to mozilla's knowledgebase, thunderbird does not have built-in capability to import, export or merge files.
[15:48] <Kilos> hy jok
[15:49] <gremble> However, you can either move the profile folder over completely
[15:49] <gremble> Or you can use the ImportExportTools add-on
[15:49] <gremble> kb.mozillazine.org/Importing_and_exporting_your_mail
[15:50] <kulelu88> easier to move the profile folder (I think)
[15:50] <gremble> ^
[15:50] <Langjan> OK makes sense, thanks - perhaps the add-on will be the easier bet for old people?
[15:50] <gremble> Doubt it
[15:50] <gremble> You should be able to ask thunderbird where the profile folder is kept
[15:51] <gremble> Probably ~/.thunderbird
[15:51] <gremble> or something
[15:51] <Kilos> gremble  he is 8 years and 2 months older than me
[15:51] <Langjan> OK but moving folder in Windows is a nightmare for me
[15:51] <gremble> I have no idea
[15:51] <gremble> Oh
[15:51] <gremble> Forgot about the windows part
[15:51] <gremble> Moving folders in Windows is a nightmare for me too. Try the addon then
[15:52] <Langjan> Thks gremble  let me try that first, tomorrow some time, will get back if I dont come right and with thks if I do
[15:53] <gremble> No problem Langjan. I hope it helps
[15:53] <Langjan> Many thanks
[15:53] <Langjan> So Kilos  when did the wedding happen?
[15:53] <Kilos> what wedding
[15:54] <Langjan> kulelu88,  said you have a new 48-year old - what's a gf?
[15:55] <Kilos> no man, he has a hole in the front of his face thats jus makes noise
[15:55] <kulelu88> :D
[15:55] <Langjan> So what does that noise mean kulelu88 ?
[15:56] <Kilos> ek dink hy terg net
[15:56] <Kilos> jy weet waar my gf is
[15:56] <kulelu88> Kilos can't get married again. The new wife wants joint custody of the house
[15:56] <Langjan> In Oz?
[15:57] <Kilos> ya Langjan
[15:57] <Langjan> OK ek het dan die kat by die stert beet, jammer
[15:57] <Kilos> lol dis die jonges wat net aangaan
[15:58] <Langjan> Ek wou al myne inruil vir twee 35-jariges maar sy byt vas!
[15:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:59] <Langjan> OK julle manne ek gaan julle los, lekker aand daar
[15:59] <Kilos> Langjan  meeting tomorrow night hey
[15:59] <Kilos> you have a good evening sir and good luck with TB
[15:59] <gremble> Tuberculosis?
[16:00] <Kilos> Thunderbird
[16:00] <Kilos> sigh
[16:00] <Langjan> Ok but I get lost there, may just pop in to say hello
[16:00] <Langjan> Thks kl
[16:00] <Langjan> Kilos,
[16:00] <Kilos> anytime
[16:00] <Langjan> and gremble
[16:01] <inetpro> Langjan: just be there oom... good night
[16:01] <Kilos> the young ones are here to help the old ones
[16:01] <Langjan> Ok thks inetpro
[16:01] <inetpro> :-)
[16:01] <Kilos> whew we down to 10°c tonight
[16:01] <Langjan> Eina, we still about 15
[16:02]  * inetpro feels the cold already
[16:03] <Kilos> inetpro  still hunting. im sure i saw the qa db somewhere
[16:03] <Kilos> if not i will train her again
[16:07] <gremble> Yhat made a python IDE that runs in the browser
[16:07] <gremble> Looks nice
[16:07] <gremble> Called Rodeo
[16:08] <gremble> Slightly focussed on data science though
[16:12] <kulelu88> winter is coming *tee tee tara tee tee tara tee tee. teeeee teeeee
[16:13] <elacheche> kulelu88, summer is comming here :d
[16:13] <elacheche> :D
[16:15] <kulelu88> where you? elacheche
[16:16] <elacheche> in the north :D Tunisia :D
[16:34] <kulelu88> oh ubuntu africa user?
[16:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:39] <gremble> Does someone in Tunisia even know what winter is?
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah when the dates fall off
[16:43] <Kilos> hi bmg505  you been too quiet
[16:44] <elacheche> loool kenju254 Kilos gremble :p
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <elacheche> we have almost the same temperatures average → http://www.southafrica.info/cm_pics/travel/2781-0-0-0_1627132.gif
[16:47] <elacheche> Don't think that Tunisia is in Europe.. We're Africans too :p
[16:56] <kulelu88> elacheche: you'll have to forgive Kilos . He is also falling off the tree now :D
[16:56] <Kilos> then you should share our snow and frost
[17:06] <Kilos> grumbles
[17:06] <Kilos> uh
[17:06] <Kilos> gremble
[17:06] <Kilos> the bot be fixed
[17:07] <Kilos> mr fixit wins again
[17:12] <elacheche> :)
[17:13] <gremble> It's fixed or has it just been cauterised?
[17:14] <Kilos> fixed
[17:14] <gremble> Nice
[17:14] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[17:15] <Kilos> my pro is very clever
[17:15] <Kilos> just acts dumb at times
[18:11]  * hibana calling it a day
[18:11] <hibana> good night everyone
[18:11] <Kilos> night hibana
[18:11] <Kilos> ty for the help
[18:15] <captine_ghost> evening all
[18:15] <Kilos> hi captine_ghost
[18:16] <captine_ghost> need some help.  trying irssi out on a digitalocean droplet, however, whenever i connect and use screen to run it, my keyboard strokes are duplicated etc
[18:16] <captine_ghost> anyone had this.
[18:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:16] <captine_ghost> PS Kilos how do i kick myself off when i cannot properly disconnect?  do I need to wait for a timeout on captine to be able to use it again
[18:17] <Kilos> there is a ghost command
[18:17] <Kilos> i used to know it
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz  googleghost command for freenode
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[18:18] <Kilos> ai!
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz  google ghost command for freenode
[18:18] <captine> dont strees'
[18:18] <captine> stress
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: "NickServ Is Your Friend | staffblog - Freenode" https://blog.freenode.net/2007/03/nickserv-is-your-friend/ :: "FAQs - Freenode" https://freenode.net/faq.shtml :: "irc - Kill ghost on connect to freenode in xchat? - Super User" http://superuser.com/questions/90626/kill-ghost-on-connect-to-freenode-in-xchat :: "toxin: Freenode NickServ Commands"
[18:18] <Maaz> https://toxin.jottit.com/freenode_nickserv_commands :: "NickServ Options - DALnet Documentation Projec…
[18:21] <Kilos> tumbleweed  inetpro  fixed ibid see http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[18:21] <captine> very weird
[18:22] <captine> check the text i typed in irssi
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah easier to wait for the timeout and change nicks
[18:22] <captine> [(status)] //jj^^^?^?hheellpp  ii  aamm  sseeeeiinngg  ddoouubbllee
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> you got the shakes
[18:22] <captine> first i thought it was putty on my windows work machine... but getting the same thing on ubuntu 14.04
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: stop bragging about it
[18:23] <captine> looks that way
[18:23] <inetpro> there was nothing to fix
[18:23] <Kilos> inetpro  nope
[18:23] <Kilos> bragging about my team is my job
[18:23] <Kilos> add it to your wiki page
[18:23] <inetpro> it's all in the documentation
[18:24] <Kilos> yeah well we cant all rtfs
[18:24] <inetpro> just needed to do some RTFD
[18:24] <inetpro> :-)
[18:25] <Kilos> the weed will be happy and appoint you as chief maintainer
[18:25] <inetpro> nope
[18:25] <Kilos> hehe
[18:27] <Kilos> inetpro  you pay attention to details others miss
[18:36] <Kilos> Squirm  go see QA is back on my channel
[18:36] <Kilos> so you dont need to hide anymore
[18:48] <Squirm> Ok
[18:48] <Squirm> Evening all
[18:48] <Squirm> and Kilos, I'm not hiding
[18:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> teasing man
[18:48] <Kilos> you left the channel with the bot
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Maaz: I am Jacques Strydom
[18:53] <Maaz> Jacques_StrY: *blink*
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> ...
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> lol
[18:53] <inetpro> wb Jacques_StrY
[18:53] <Kilos> hi Jacques_StrY  wb
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Got the date wrong
[18:53] <inetpro> meeting is tomorrow :-)
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Hey everyone
[18:54] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: how are you doing?
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Sorry for the mia, was away - just arrived home
[18:54] <Kilos> oh Jacques_StrY  william left some info in the lists hey
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Fine thanks and you inetpro
[18:54] <inetpro> all good thank you
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Thanks Kilos, I'll run through my mail quickly
[18:55] <Kilos> no serious rush i think
[18:56] <Kilos> metinks i must go sleep. head starting to thump
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro  worked me too hard today
[18:56] <Jacques_StrY> haha ai!
[18:56] <inetpro> huh?
[18:57]  * inetpro not feeling guilty
[18:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:58] <inetpro> oom Kilos, you are the weakest link, good night!
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:58] <Kilos> i will stay here
[18:58] <Kilos> grrr
[18:58] <inetpro> :-)
[18:59] <Kilos> peeps take advantage of my good nature
[18:59] <Jacques_StrY> Last mail list mail is 6 days ago correct?
[19:00] <Kilos> 24/04/2015
[19:00] <Kilos> from william
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: to you?
[19:00] <Kilos> or was that straight to me
[19:01] <Jacques_StrY> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-April/thread.html
[19:01] <Jacques_StrY> Last message date: Tue Apr 21 21:05:45 UTC 2015
[19:01] <Kilos> Are they installing Booktype in ec2, If so, please ask them to document what they did
[19:01] <Kilos> Did you see the Booktype intro video I posted
[19:01] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_idpAV8YcQ&feature=youtu.be
[19:02] <Kilos> i dunno, tb isnt as easy to see where mails come from
[19:02] <Jacques_StrY> Definitely, the guide provided by booktype refers to sources that don't work yet
[19:02] <Kilos> i thought that was a thread in the list
[19:03] <Jacques_StrY> i should check if i can get it working on ec2 tonight
[19:03] <Kilos> he will be very happy, you guys are the first ones helping him
[19:03] <Kilos> others just gave advice in the lit=sts
[19:04] <Kilos> lists
[19:09] <Jacques_StrY> Well it is easier to give advise - always :)
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <captine> night all
[19:12] <inetpro> oom Kilos jy mag maar gaan slaap
[19:12] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  didnt you even see my meeting reminder in the mail?
[19:13] <Kilos> dankie in, trek warm aan moreoggend ne
[19:13]  * Jacques_StrY - inetpro starting to feel guilty
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <Jacques_StrY> I muted my mails while I was gone :)
[19:14] <Squirm> gnight all
[19:14] <Jacques_StrY> Night
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: what meeting reminder?
[19:14] <Kilos> ja but now im bang my meeting reminder didnt get there
[19:14] <Kilos> night Squirm
[19:14] <Kilos> ai!
[19:15] <Kilos> inetpro  i mailed an early warnig=ng this avy
[19:15] <Jacques_StrY> Well I don't see one - all i see is the google+ reminder
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: you sent that to ubuntu news
[19:15] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[19:16] <Kilos> now to find sent in tb
[19:17] <Kilos> inetpro  where do you find sent mails in tb please
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: do you have a folder called gmail?
[19:19] <inetpro> with a little triangle to the left of it
[19:19] <Kilos> in tb?
[19:19] <inetpro> no on your chair
[19:19]  * Kilos looks
[19:20] <inetpro> oops... yes man, in Thunderbird of course :-)
[19:21] <Kilos> found it i was sitting on it
[19:21] <Kilos> ty for that
[19:21] <Kilos> see if you see it now
[19:21] <inetpro> ai!
[19:22] <Kilos> what? wrong [lace again?
[19:23] <Kilos> eish man this tb is corrupt
[19:23] <inetpro> no
[19:23] <Kilos> last try then i go back to evo
[19:25] <Kilos> eish they went to cummunity council too
[19:25] <inetpro> lol
[19:26] <inetpro> and it's from msdomdonner AT gmail.com as well
[19:26] <inetpro> not from ubuntu.com
[19:26] <Kilos> ya i gave up. you gotta tick to see the others everytime
[19:27] <Kilos> havent found a way to make it default
[19:27] <Kilos> so now ill just stay as mae
[19:28] <Kilos> me
[19:28] <Kilos> airs and flairs are too heavy to carry
[19:29] <Kilos> i need to find someone to post on fb about the africa channel
[19:29] <Kilos> you sit and laugh
[19:30] <Kilos> ai! who needs enemies
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: it's all in your mind
[19:30] <Kilos> haha
[19:31] <Kilos> i suppose i sent the hangouts message to nuvo to my ex as well
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro  do you see the early warning email yet
[19:32] <inetpro> yes it's there now man
[19:32] <Kilos> and i did the tweet thing
[19:32]  * inetpro noticed
[19:32] <inetpro> thanks
[19:32] <Kilos> yw
[19:33] <Kilos> i have to use 2 different browser so the tweet things dont get mixed up
[19:46] <Jacques_StrY> Couldn't connect for a while???
[19:47] <Jacques_StrY> sigh this ec2's security is too high
[19:47] <Kilos> ai!
[19:47] <Jacques_StrY> have to use key pairs to log in via ssh
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> and now I have successfully setup Booktype - or i think - but can't access from public
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> not even a ping
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> so probably being blocked
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:48] <Kilos> but you can ssh in
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> Yes
[19:49] <Kilos> so we need to think about either running it that way and then downloading everything to be able to share
[19:49] <Kilos> or as ec2 to allow us to make it public
[19:50] <Kilos> ask
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> Will quickly do a few checks
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> public access probably blocked by default
[19:50] <Kilos> ah maybe you can change it in settings
[19:53] <Kilos> we can always ask the pro to fixit
[19:54] <Jacques_StrY> nah - I believing in struggling yourself and only ask when you have tried all
[19:54] <Jacques_StrY> else I never remember and do the same mistakes again
[19:54] <Kilos> ya thats what i mean
[19:55] <Kilos> he reads the fineprint we all miss
[20:02] <Jacques_StrY> IT IS WORKING!
[20:02] <Kilos> booktype?
[20:02] <Jacques_StrY> Had to update security policies in ec2 dashboard, very user friendly
[20:03] <Jacques_StrY> Yes booktype and public access
[20:03] <Kilos> wonderful news Jacques_StrY  well done
[20:03] <Jacques_StrY> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[20:03] <Kilos> document everything please
[20:03] <Kilos> william will be very happy
[20:04] <Kilos> oh wow well done man
[20:04] <Jacques_StrY> So I should probably make a proper install guide now
[20:04] <Kilos> now we just need to find some teachers that are willing to get involved
[20:05] <Kilos> i dont know if they are gonna copy paste books or what
[20:05] <Jacques_StrY> we should get a proper domain name for it as well
[20:05] <Kilos> oh my
[20:06] <Kilos> domain names cost man
[20:07] <Kilos> hi smile
[20:08] <smile> Hi :)
[20:09] <smile> Hi kilos my friend
[20:09] <Kilos> hows my smile  ?
[20:10] <smile> It depends what part of me :)
[20:10] <Kilos> your head
[20:10] <Kilos> and your hands and feet
[20:11] <Kilos> everything between them you mess up at your own risk
[20:12] <smile> I am feeling fine, but headaches even make the best day worse. My eye hurts too. My energy is gone for today and I achieved little while working for school. However, I have good friends :)
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <Kilos> whats wrong with your eye
[20:12] <smile> The night was terrible. :-(
[20:13] <Kilos> bad night for one eye?
[20:13] <smile> Well my eye got tiny wood points in it
[20:13] <Kilos> ouch
[20:13] <Kilos> been there done that
[20:13] <smile> No, bad night for sleep and my headache
[20:14] <Kilos> eye injuries are very painfull
[20:14] <smile> Parts as a result of making two parts of one part
[20:14] <Kilos> what were you doing
[20:15] <Kilos> when you work with anything that can splinter you must wear saftey goggles
[20:16] <Kilos> safety
[20:16] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: I'll sponsor the domain name if it comes to it - can't expect people to type aosdufsodfjs.sdlajsdkflsd.sdfsfd19616162641.com each time they want to visit :)
[20:16] <Jacques_StrY> Hi smile
[20:17] <Kilos> whew
[20:17] <smile> I was helping my dad with a 2.5 meter by 1.5 wood plate :) he was cutting (wrong word) a part of the wood so it could be transported in our car
[20:17] <Kilos> circular saw
[20:18] <Jacques_StrY> joking but the name at the moment is http://ec2-54-213-229-90.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/
[20:19] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: haha, and when you shut down and restart the name is even different
[20:19] <Kilos> lets hear what williams plan is first
[20:19] <inetpro> or not?
[20:19] <smile> Not circular ;-) by hand, Kilos
[20:19] <Kilos> inetpro  advice?
[20:19] <Jacques_StrY> Luckily not - but still
[20:19] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: well, if you keep it shut down for a few hours you get a new IP address
[20:20] <Kilos> im trying to imagine how hand sawing a plank by hand can cause splinters
[20:20] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro :-O
[20:21] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: at least that is what happened to mine
[20:21] <Kilos> smile  you can get drops from chemist i think called novacaine that numbs it so you can sleep
[20:22] <smile> It was a very thick plate, made of good quality compressed wood :) so those things can get nasty small
[20:22] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: My OVH IP has stayed the same for 3 years luckily
[20:22] <Jacques_StrY> Maybe Amazon has different policies then
[20:22] <smile> I can sleep my headache hurts enough to forget my eye
[20:22] <smile> :)
[20:22] <inetpro> ahh, I still have the free instance
[20:23] <Jacques_StrY> pretty handy to mess around with
[20:24] <inetpro> smile: au!
[20:25] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: very handy yes
[20:26] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: how much do you pay per month if I may ask?
[20:26] <smile> But in my mind I am happy! :) so it doesnt matter what I am going through
[20:27] <Kilos> eye injuries heak quite fast smile
[20:27] <Kilos> 3 days to a week i think
[20:28] <smile> Thats the good news :)
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah as long as it can still see you are fine
[20:29] <Kilos> and will be more careful next time
[20:30] <Kilos> melodie  hiya
[20:30] <melodie> hello Kilos ^^
[20:30] <melodie> how are you?
[20:30] <smile> Yeah :)
[20:30] <Jacques_StrY> ec2 or ovh?
[20:30] <kulelu88> anybody using Go here? superfly ?
[20:32] <smile> My father is building a temporary construction to paint the high wall of the stairs :)
[20:33] <Kilos> just be carefull smile
[20:33] <Kilos> make sure everything is well supported
[20:34] <melodie> salut smile !
[20:34] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: ec2 on free at the moment - R235 per month for the dedicated ovh
[20:34] <melodie> hello Jacques_StrY
[20:34] <Jacques_StrY> Hey melodie
[20:34] <smile> Bonsoir madame
[20:34] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: what is ovh?
[20:35] <smile> My father is very good at constructions. He is smart enough to make it very well supported :)
[20:37] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: A company that does very affordable dedicated server hosting - http://www.kimsufi.com/en/
[20:37] <Jacques_StrY> Currently have the ks-3 option
[20:37] <melodie> smile bonsoir Monsieur
[20:38] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: nice!
[20:38] <melodie> smile if your father is good at construction maybe could we do business?
[20:38] <smile> He is very small scale :)
[20:39] <melodie> so am I :D
[20:39]  * inetpro calls it a day
[20:39] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:40] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: Their VPS is cheaper then EC2 as well so would suggest that when the ec2 free period expires to move over
[20:40] <smile> What are you trying to make? :)
[20:40] <kulelu88> that is darn cheap
[20:40] <kulelu88> but atom servers??
[20:40] <Jacques_StrY> night inetpro
[20:40] <melodie> smile are you talking to me?
[20:41] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight and ty
[20:41] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: Currently have the i5 but had the atom, worked fine fore small websites and file servers
[20:41] <melodie> gn Kilos !
[20:42] <kulelu88> how small? Jacques_StrY
[20:42] <Kilos> nm melodie  im still here pro gone
[20:42] <melodie> nm pas compris not understood
[20:43] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: any static pages ran fine - wordpress sites want a bit more
[20:43] <Kilos> never mind
[20:43] <kulelu88> wordpress? darn, not enough power then
[20:43] <Kilos> but i meant to say no man
[20:43] <Kilos> but you not a man so my head froze
[20:44] <melodie> aha
[20:44] <melodie> ok
[20:44] <Kilos> lol
[20:44] <Kilos> :D
[20:44] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: it works but not as snappy as I want it - rather go for vps if don't mind less storage
[20:44] <kulelu88> true, i'm thinking of going for a good compiled language to conserve resources
[20:45] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: $2.99 a month for a vps isn't much
[20:45] <kulelu88> Jacques_StrY: I don't use those kind VPSes
[20:46] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  will you and william sort out what still must be done please?
[20:46] <kulelu88> The little more expensive 1s are better at 7-10 dollars
[20:46] <Kilos> my kop sukkel om by te bly met al die goed
[20:46] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: Yea, like how vps scale easily
[20:47] <melodie> Kilos in this case, you can use it right away: http://pastebin.fr/39415
[20:47] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: I'll pop him a mail tomorrow morning - think he will be glad
[20:47] <melodie> or just before going to sleep if you have a better price on the dowload cost
[20:48] <kulelu88> Hopefully this decision isn't bad
[20:50] <Kilos> yeah Jacques_StrY  he will
[20:51] <Kilos> melodie  i can hopefully wake up early and do the installs before 7 then its classed as nighttime data not my 2g
[20:52] <Kilos> i have copied everything to file here
[20:54] <superfly> kulelu88: negatory
[20:54] <melodie> Kilos keep the second one only
[20:54] <melodie> there is a full "apt-get install" line with the package names
[20:55] <Kilos> is the first one wrong melodie  i see there is more in it
[20:55] <Kilos> i will use aptitude and give you the results
[20:55] <kulelu88> superfly: the performance is apparently greatly superior to all the dynamic langs and it isn't a shitstorm to code in, compared to C
[20:55] <melodie> it's not wrong, just less handy
[20:55] <melodie> Kilos "sudo apt-get"
[20:55] <melodie> no aptitude
[20:55] <Kilos> i will save both
[20:56] <Kilos> superfly  tell her about aptitude
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos the second one is just formatted so you have to do just a copy/paste
[20:56] <Kilos> aptitude is a good tool
[20:56] <melodie> except the second part which is commented
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos yes and no, it's a confusing tool
[20:56] <Kilos> oh ok
[20:56] <superfly> aptitude was great, until it couldn't handle multiarch
[20:56] <Kilos> its a wonderful tool melodie  you must learn to use it
[20:57] <Kilos> im doing 32bit so should be fine
[20:58] <Kilos> melodie  ok ill use aot-get if it makes you happy
[20:58] <Kilos> apt-get
[20:59] <melodie> Kilos I bet you will
[20:59] <melodie> $ LANG=C ls -l /usr/bin/aptitude
[20:59] <melodie> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory
[20:59] <Kilos> haha
[20:59] <melodie> :D
[20:59] <Kilos> i have already installed pidgin with aptitude
[20:59] <Kilos> but np
[21:00] <melodie> lol!
[21:00] <Kilos> apt-get install aptitude
[21:00] <melodie> it could be that nowadays it's the same
[21:00] <Kilos> hehe
[21:01] <Kilos> the fly says it cant handle multiarch but that 64bit and 32bit we only using 32bit
[21:01] <Kilos> well me anyway on old pc
[21:02] <melodie> you are talking weird, d'you know?
[21:02] <melodie> but never mind
[21:02] <Kilos> again?
[21:02] <Kilos> lol
[21:02] <melodie> the fly says
[21:02] <melodie> flies don't talk afaik
[21:02] <Kilos> oh we call superfly  the fly
[21:02] <melodie> XD
[21:02] <Kilos> :D
[21:03] <melodie> what is it that can't handle multiarch?
[21:03] <Kilos> multiarch is when 64bit needs to use some 32bit packages i think
[21:03] <melodie> possibly
[21:04] <melodie> I take the train tomorrow morning, early, so I will leave now
[21:04] <Kilos> ok ty for the help, sleep tight
[21:04] <Kilos> and go safe
[21:05] <melodie> :-)
[21:05] <melodie> thanks
[21:05] <melodie> take care!
[21:05] <Kilos> always
[21:05] <melodie> :)
[21:05] <Kilos> :D
[21:07] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:25] <Jacques_StrY> Night all
[21:32] <smile> Slaapwel :)


[00:22] <Xeteen> adrian15: let me try that
[00:26] <Xeteen> adrian15: fstab doesnt have a line for this, here's the output from `mount` which I'm guessing is not of much help https://pastebin.com/0MwmpRe7
[00:28] <adrian15> Xeteen: Which line from there you want to be converted into a mount command?
[00:28] <Xeteen> the last one
[00:36] <Xeteen> adrian15: no worries, forget about it, it won't work
[00:37] <Xeteen> I mean I put the path in Nautilus' "+ Other Locations" and it works
[00:37] <Xeteen> I add the very same path in fstab and I get the same error: No such file or directory
[00:37] <Xeteen> so there's a problem with the path
[00:37] <Xeteen> fuck it
[00:47] <adrian15> Xeteen: If you add the path as a mount point it needs to be created and empty before using it.
[00:47] <Jordan_U> Xeteen: Please watch your language in this channel. I haven't read all of the backlog yet, but you might want to be using gvfs-mount .
[00:47] <Xeteen> Jordan_U: oops sorry
[00:48] <Xeteen> adrian15: yup I created it and it's empty
[01:00] <Zeloz> Anyone run into the issue where it says (can't create directory, permission denied) but are in the root group as well as others?  I was able to create directories without issue on the older Ubuntu 14.04 server but the issue arose after compressing/downloading the directory and then extracting it on the new server running Ubuntu 18.04.3
[01:01] <sarnold> apparmor can confine root processes; check dmesg for DENIED messages, or check audit logs if you have them enabled, /var/log/audit/audit.log
[01:02] <Zeloz> I do not appear to have an audit directory under log
[01:04] <CarlFK> "root group"  - other than a group called root, not sure what that does for you
[01:05] <Zeloz> yeah, the group called "root"
[01:05] <Zeloz> I am able to change the ownership and attributes of the files/folders, just cannot create them
[01:07] <CarlFK> sudo touch x ... that work or touch: cannot touch 'x': Permission denied
[01:09] <Zeloz> I did sudo touch [directory] and it just returned to prompt
[01:09] <Zeloz> no error though
[01:10] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: The output of "getfacl /path/to/directory" and the exact command you're using to make the directory, would be helpful to understanding.
[01:10] <Zeloz> I'm using Webmin for the creation of the directories under normal use
[01:11] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: Can you reproduce the problem with a normal linux command, and pastebin that command and its output?
[01:12] <Zeloz> if I do mkdir test, it just says permission denied (using terminal)
[01:13] <Zeloz> sudo of course works, but I can't do that in Webmin
[01:17] <sarnold> Zeloz: ah, so you've got a webmin running, and you're trying to do some tar unpacking or something similar through webmin, and you're getting errors?
[01:18] <Zeloz> correct, I did a tar extract from the other servers folder
[01:18] <sarnold> Zeloz: are you getting errors that prevent unpacking at all? or are you getting errors that the unpacked tarball has different username or group and the unpacking process can't change the ownershipt o match?
[01:18] <Zeloz> there were no errors that I'm aware of
[01:18] <sarnold> unprivileged users can't change file ownership
[01:18] <sarnold> so if the tarball has files owned by multiple owners, and you want them to have multiple owners on the destination system, you'll need to unpack the tarball with root
[01:18] <Zeloz> I can change the ownership and permissions, just not add any folder/files in
[01:19] <sarnold> who owns the directory that you're trying to write into? what are the permissions on that directory?
[01:19] <Zeloz> 775
[01:19] <Zeloz> I made it recursive, that and the owner is my user now as well
[01:20] <sarnold> and what uid is webmin running as?
[01:20] <Zeloz> my user
[01:21] <sarnold> are all directories above the directory in question also readable and executable by the uid webmin is runnign as?
[01:22] <Zeloz> I was able to put a file/folder in one of the above directories without issue
[01:23] <Zeloz> I think it was the base directory that was copied
[01:23] <Zeloz> that I can add files/folders
[01:23] <Zeloz> but nothing below that
[01:28] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: Please pastebin the output of "getfacl /path/to/directory/" and "ls -ld /path/to/directory/"
[01:30] <Zeloz> $ getfacl mods
[01:31] <Zeloz> drwxrwxr-x 498 username solder 20480 Apr 18 01:09 mods
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: And what is your username?
[01:37] <Zeloz> it's all lowercase, single word, it's part of my name so yeah
[01:42] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: And you're in the group "solder"?
[01:43] <Zeloz> correct
[01:43] <Jordan_U> Zeloz: Can you double check that by running "groups"?
[01:45] <Zeloz> it shows as users root and sudo
[01:45] <sarnold> 'groups' just reports what the current process has, which may be different than the process that's trying to do the unpacking
[01:46] <pavlos> Zeloz: try the command "id" it should list all the groups the user belongs to
[01:46] <Zeloz> uid=1002(username) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),0(root),27(sudo)
[01:49] <pavlos> Zeloz: username does not belong to solder group so username cannot write to mods (which is 775)
[01:50] <Zeloz> hmm, so is Webmin not showing correctly the group membership settings I have put in?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> !webmin | Zeloz
[01:51] <Zeloz> is there alternatives?  Besides CLI
[01:53] <pavlos> Zeloz: maybe you needed to logout/login from webmin ?? ... you can add group solder to username with, sudo usermod -a -G solder username
[01:56] <Zeloz> tried to add my username to that group and run id again to no avail
[01:56] <pavlos> Zeloz: you'd need to pop a new term, then run id
[01:57] <Zeloz> I'll give that a shot
[01:58] <Zeloz> uid=1002(username) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),0(root),1(daemon),27(sudo)                   ,33(www-data),37(operator),1001(minecraft),1002(solder),1003(mc                   1),1004(mc2),1005(ftp1)
[01:58] <pavlos> Zeloz: you have it, 1002
[01:59] <pavlos> Zeloz: now can you write something into mods/ ?
[01:59] <Zeloz> looks like?  Let me try non CLI
[02:00] <Zeloz> nope, let me reboot the system
[02:25] <pavlos> Zeloz: if you're back, I installed webmin on a remote system and was able to log on and look at the dashboard. Since I came late to the thread, how can I test what you did with mods/ ?
[02:26] <Zeloz> hmm, not sure if it would be easy, I had an older system running webmin
[02:26] <Zeloz> that I compressed folders/files
[02:26] <Zeloz> and extracted them
[02:32] <Zeloz> if there wasn't 10gb or so of files, I'd have done it manually... lol
[02:35] <pillager86> how do I set up a PHP development environment on Ubuntu? NetBeans doesn't work just says 404 file not found when I run it even though I installed Apache
[02:40] <pillager86> nm i figured it out
[04:37] <econdudeawesome> Hi all. I am on an old Ubuntu 19.04 that I didn't realize was beyond End of Life. How can I dist upgrade?
[04:41] <ansimita> econdudeawesome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_19.04
[05:29] <Assid> heya.. how do i setup a rule like ufw allow <app> from <ip>
[05:31] <oOBadDreamOo> hi im having a problem in xubuntu and was hoping to find some help
[05:31] <oOBadDreamOo> ive been trying to fogure it out for about 4 hours but cant get anywhere
[05:32] <oOBadDreamOo> i have an xbox one wireless controller setup and working fine except that when i press the guide button it opens my browser and kicks me out of steam
[05:39] <theshagg> Ugh, 20.04 Beta is unusable with multiple displays on AMD gpus.
[05:54] <stiltrumpelskin> does anybody know how to view contents of directory with root ownership and rwx------ permissions in ubuntu?
[05:54] <stiltrumpelskin> i tried "sudo cd" but it doesnt work
[05:55] <stiltrumpelskin> i'm trying to browse "/boot/efi"
[05:55] <theshagg> sudo ls ?
[05:55] <viktor_> stiltrumpelskin: sudo ls -a directory
[05:55] <stiltrumpelskin> sorry i meant ls oops lol
[05:55] <theshagg> what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[05:56] <stiltrumpelskin> yes it does work
[05:56] <stiltrumpelskin> i had a brain fart lol
[05:56] <viktor_> stiltrumpelskin: that happens :p
[05:56] <theshagg> if you want to get really heavy handed you could probably do "sudo bash"
[05:57] <theshagg> but be very careful
[05:57] <stiltrumpelskin> no i wont do that yet too scared now haha
[05:59] <viktor_> hi all. i'm running Kubuntu 18.04 on a lenovo ideapad y700. i have an external monitor connected via HDMI. in system setting i disabled the laptop screen. on boot the panel is missing every time. it's there again when i reboot. but i don't like to boot twice all the time.
[06:02] <stiltrumpelskin> can you set xorg.conf
[06:02] <stiltrumpelskin> maybe that will help victor
[06:03] <stiltrumpelskin> theshagg are you still there
[06:04] <theshagg> stiltrumpelskin yes I am
[06:04] <stiltrumpelskin> i realised there was a bit of miscommunication earlier
[06:04] <stiltrumpelskin> you asked about what didn't work
[06:04] <stiltrumpelskin> when i was trying to cd into root directory with rwx------
[06:04] <theshagg> you said "ls" works - which is what I expect to work :)
[06:05] <stiltrumpelskin> yes that's right
[06:05] <stiltrumpelskin> the cd wasnt working lol
[06:05] <theshagg> right
[06:05] <theshagg> I don't know if that should work or not
[06:05] <viktor_> stiltrumpelskin: "set" xorg.config?
[06:05] <stiltrumpelskin> no xorg.conf
[06:05] <stiltrumpelskin> it is somewhere in /etc/xorg maybe
[06:05] <theshagg> which package should I file a bug against for the kernel?
[06:05] <theshagg> "kernel-common" ?
[06:06] <stiltrumpelskin> its in /usr/etc/x11 victor_
[06:07] <stiltrumpelskin> sorry i meant /usr/etc/X11 viktor_
[06:07] <stiltrumpelskin> i think you can configure xorg.conf then the automatic configuration that is done wont take place
[06:09] <viktor_> stiltrumpelskin: there's no /usr/etc
[06:10] <stiltrumpelskin> i'll find where hold on a second
[06:10] <stiltrumpelskin> check in /etc/X11
[06:11] <stiltrumpelskin> you might not have an xorg.conf file because it's usually not necessary
[06:12] <stiltrumpelskin> my directory shows xorg.conf.backup but no xorg.conf
[06:12] <ghostbuster> can someone explain what NEEDED means next to a distro on a CVE? example is 16.04 here https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2020/CVE-2020-7247.html
[06:15] <stiltrumpelskin> i dont know if you saw my messages above viktor_, so i send this message with your name tag
[06:18] <theshagg> How do I report a kernel bug?
[06:19] <theshagg> nm, looks like it's at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Bugs
[06:19] <stiltrumpelskin> what problem did you find theshagg?
[06:20] <theshagg> So many issues with my AMD gpu
[06:20] <theshagg> deadlocks when multiple displays plugged in
[06:20] <theshagg> lockups when trying to shut down
[06:20] <stiltrumpelskin> my system has problems with usb
[06:20] <stiltrumpelskin> it improved a lot when i upgraded to version 5 kernel
[06:21] <stiltrumpelskin> i was using version 4 before
[06:22] <theshagg> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/issues/900
[06:23] <theshagg> there is an issue in a kernel used in 20.04 beta, but is fixed in a later kernel release
[06:24] <stiltrumpelskin> at least its already fixed haha
[06:24] <stiltrumpelskin> was that the problem you were having
[06:26] <ducasse> theshagg: to file a bug against the kernel, 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[06:27] <CQ2> What does this mean from Locale: LANGUAGE=en_US:de ...I undertstand the en_US part, but what aboutthe DE (German) after the colon?
[06:32] <siege00> @ghostbuster: it looks like it means that they don't know which specific version so it's "needed"
[06:59] <FrankyGov> heya
[07:00] <FrankyGov> Dear all
[07:00] <FrankyGov> Yesterday I installed XFCE4 and I think that caused issues with the Ubuntu's profile
[07:01] <FrankyGov> Today once booted up the system, after the login, I saw a black screen and the system failed showing the login form again
[07:01] <FrankyGov> I went on the command line through CTRL + ALT + F4. I removed XFCE4 and rebooted
[07:02] <FrankyGov> Same problem. At that point I thought to create another user first. In fact, it's working
[07:02] <tatertots> FrankyGov: all sorts of odd observations can be made when installing an additional DE...ideally you should fresh install a distro that uses your preferred DE by default
[07:03] <tatertots> ...you live and learn
[07:03] <FrankyGov> tatertots, I am a noob, in reality I was looking for XFCE4 terminal only....
[07:03] <FrankyGov> I have a question since I am trying to recover all my files from the other profile
[07:04] <FrankyGov> I created this user account from command line using #bash adduser username etc
[07:05] <FrankyGov> I wonder if I can change the permits for the other user > /home/previous-user
[07:07] <mkquist> FrankyGov: what do you mean terminal only?
[07:08] <mkquist> FrankyGov: 'curious'
[07:11] <FrankyGov> mkquist, This module: sudo apt-get install xfce4-terminal
[07:17] <CQ2> FrankyGov, there are two parts to the graphical system... the display manager, which is where you log in (lightdm for example) and the desktop itself (xfce4). Figure out what you have installed and the apt install --reinstall them, sometimest that helps
[07:18] <CQ2> ...since you seem to have a problem sith the desktop itself, on the desktop manager at login, try to switch to a different desktop
[07:18] <FrankyGov> CQ2, I did not need XFCE4. I assume that the problem was caused by XFCE4. Since that's the closest thing related to the desktop manager
[07:19] <FrankyGov> I removed both components: XFCE4 and XFCE4-terminal. I got the same result. Right now I am in Ubuntu through another user
[07:19] <CQ2> no, xfce4 is the desktop itself, that manages your windows when working. The esktop manager manages your login and starts your desktop
[07:21] <matsaman> display manager*
[07:21] <CQ2> when you are at the login prompt, see what desktop options you have that you can log in to
[07:21] <CQ2> matsaman, yes, right, sorry
[07:24] <zuwuko> I noticed my new RAID 1 drives dont idle, they're always working now. I'ver never had RAID1 before, is this normal?
[07:26] <matsaman> zuwuko: what is it you are trying to get out of using RAID?
[07:26] <siege00> RAID1 is a mirror, are you dealing with an initial copy?
[08:18] <FrankyGov> I am trying to perform a backup of my /home folder from a different user
[08:18] <FrankyGov> I cannot copy those files since I do not have permission
[08:18] <FrankyGov> If I have a user with sudo privileges
[08:19] <FrankyGov> can I change the ownership of those files?
[08:23] <zuwuko> yeah raid mirror. I started from scratch. started blank, and have been copying files over. but when files are done, drive doesnt idle . it finally idled, thanks.
[08:23] <tomreyn> FrankyGov: you shouldn't change the ownership of the files you're backing up
[08:24] <FrankyGov> tomreyn, I am trying to copy the folders to an external drives, but I cannot copy certain folders and files
[08:25] <tomreyn> FrankyGov: about reading the the files, the easiest approach is to backup as the root user.
[08:27] <tomreyn> FrankyGov: the better but more complicated way is to add a restricted backup user which is part of the group of the user whose files you'll backup. and to ensure that all files and directories of the user whose files you want to backup are both owned by this users' group, and are group readable.
[08:29] <tomreyn> FrankyGov: example: you have /home/franky and in there all files are owned by user franky and group franky. now you add a new system user frankybackup, use "adduser frankybackup franky" to add the new user to the "franky" group, so that it can read all files owned by the "franky" group, like those in /home/franky.
[08:29] <tomreyn> now frankybackup can read all the files that are group readable in /home/franky
[08:31] <tomreyn> the next difficult part is writing the files to the external drive, and doing so without loosing information on who owned them originally.
[08:33] <tomreyn> FrankyGov: the easiest way to get this (writing the files to the external storage) right is using tar for the backup, it will save the user and group names those files belonged to originally, as well as the permissions set on them.
[08:33] <FrankyGov> tomreyn, I just added the user.
[08:33] <FrankyGov> How can I try to copy recursively the folder?
[08:33] <FrankyGov> I wanted to check if the process skips any folder or file
[08:34] <tomreyn> i'd   tar czf /where/to/backup/to/backup.tar.gz /home/franky/
[08:36] <tomreyn> if you just want to test the tar operation (to see read errors) but not actually store the files then you could do     tar cf /dev/null /home/franky/     instead
[08:43] <wingedrhino> Hi! Is there any way to make apt (or aptitude) produce machine-friendly JSON output?
[08:49] <siege00> tomreyn: could he sudo from the 2nd account as himself and have all the proper perms he needs?
[08:49] <siege00> just curious
[08:58] <wingedrhino> adding to the previous question, does apt have some sort of a scriptable alternative client that accepts arguments via a CLI JSON API?
[09:04] <sergeJS> test
[09:11] <Monotoko> question, why does cn.archive.ubuntu.com point to us.archive.ubuntu.com when there are local mirrors?
[09:11] <Monotoko> makes it really tedius to install anything as the US mirrors are seriously slow inside China
[09:12] <Monotoko> I've got to go and manually change my sources to use a Chinese mirror such as tsinghua
[09:24] <tomreyn> siege00: i think the goal is / should be to run the backup as a separate user. if running it as himself then there's no need for sudo, i would think.
[09:24] <siege00> He said that he couldn't use his original account because his shell was corrupted. At least I thought that was the context
[09:39] <jezebel> hello! i'm running ubuntu 19.10 and unable to use chromium-browser as my 'default'?
[09:40] <jezebel> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser gives an error
[09:40] <jezebel> no alternatives for x-www-browser
[09:41] <jezebel> hmmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1870640
[09:42] <tomreyn> on 19.10, chromium is a snap for a while now, this can be related.
[09:43] <jezebel> yeah it's a snap i realise
[09:43] <jezebel> pondering if i should reinstall and use 19.04
[09:43] <tomreyn> that's EOL
[09:43] <jezebel> yeah :/
[09:43] <tomreyn> 18.04 is still supported
[09:43] <tomreyn> did you try --set ?
[09:44] <tomreyn> maybe add --verbose too
[09:44] <tomreyn> what does     readlink -f /usr/bin/chromium-browser     report?
[09:44] <jezebel> same error
[09:44] <jezebel> readlink is fine
[09:45] <tomreyn> please provide outputs
[09:45] <tomreyn> !paste
[09:46] <jezebel> it's a shell script :)  not a symlink to the snap
[09:48] <tomreyn> you could try pointing the aalternative path to the snap binary directly, though i think it shouldn't be necessary.
[09:49] <pigeta> hello
[09:51] <pigeta> have a problem on ubuntu,the keybord typy by it self randomly,i tried to change keyboard usb and ps/2
[09:51] <pigeta> in windows there isn't problem
[09:53] <jezebel> https://imgur.com/a/HWpHI2i
[09:53] <jezebel> it's there's no x-www-browser in the alterantives system i think
[09:53] <jezebel> might need to create it
[09:54] <pigeta> what can i ceck?
[10:01] <tomreyn> jezebel: there are more ways to configure the 'default' browser: https://wiki.debian.org/DefaultWebBrowser
[10:02] <jezebel> i dont have a DE installed
[10:02] <tomreyn> the BROWSER environment variable, too, though this may only be taken into account as a fallback
[10:02] <tomreyn> i see
[10:03] <jezebel> just a WM
[10:04] <AlexC> hi
[10:04] <tomreyn> pigeta: see if there's a BIOS or (better yet, if it's a laptop) EC firmware update for your system.
[10:05] <tomreyn> it's got to be really old if it still has a PS/2 connector
[10:05] <AlexC> Any updated regarding install ubuntu 20.04 server on zfs root? I cannot find the option in the installer yet..
[10:05] <tomreyn> which installer did you use, AlexC ?
[10:06] <AlexC> focal-fossa-server-amd64.iso
[10:06] <tomreyn> oh server, i don't think it's actually supported there, yet, but may be wrong.
[10:06] <tomreyn> at least it wasn't in 19.10
[10:06] <AlexC> wtf, it has experimental support on DESKTOP use
[10:06] <AlexC> why?!
[10:06] <AlexC> lel
[10:06] <AlexC> whatever
[10:07] <pigeta> yes computer is old
[10:07] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | AlexC
[10:07] <pigeta> but why in windows no problem and here just some days problems
[10:07] <AlexC> i gonna ask there
[10:07] <AlexC> thx
[10:08] <theborger> having issues with networking need some assistance please
[10:08] <theborger> i have 2 bonds setup under netplan, one bond is working the other one went down a few days ago and has not worked since.
[10:09] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu-server for what looks like a server question
[10:10] <theborger> https://termbin.com/2lgc2 .yaml file
[10:10] <pigeta> also if i access from ssh session no problem,instead if i open a terminal from computer it's like the arrow down is pushed
[10:11] <tomreyn> theborger: the stuff below "bond1:" is indented incorrectly
[10:13] <theborger> tomreyn: fixed. still not showing an ip4 address
[10:14] <theborger> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/EWi5wamz
[10:16] <theborger> tomreyn: got it figured out
[10:16] <tomreyn> theborger: and on top you have 4 character (or tab?) indenting. make sure you use an indenting mechanism supported for yaml files and to use the same everywhere.
[10:16] <tomreyn> theborger: but i think it was something else, wasn't it?
[10:20] <theborger> tomreyn: it was, but something is not right. i think i need to remove the balance-rr stuff. i think that is what is causing my issues.
[10:20] <theborger> tomreyn: if i unplug bond1 from my switch both bonds go down
[10:21] <theborger> if i remove bond0 only it goes down
[10:26] <tomreyn> theborger: what does the switch support?
[10:28] <theborger> tomreyn: its a Juniper ex4200
[10:28] <theborger> think i should just do the bonds on the switch?
[10:28] <theborger> in teh end what i need is 2 different bonded nics on 2 different networks
[10:31] <tomreyn> ex4200 can do better link aggregation thank just balance-rr
[10:32] <theborger> how do i setup LAG on netplan?
[10:36] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/examples has an example. you'll need ifenslave installed.
[10:36] <tomreyn> maybe you're running into cloud-init related problems? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033847/configure-bonded-802-3ad-network-using-netplan-on-ubuntu-18-04
[10:36] <tomreyn> personally i'd do 802.3ad with this switch
[10:37] <tomreyn> here's a working example: https://gist.github.com/PhilipSchmid/54e17f53c15e3bd2c922ec6ff9ee434f
[10:41] <theborger> you think its just not bring up both networks before it boots maybe?
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:45] <tomreyn> theborger: i don't know. if you suspect a firmware issue you can look into resetting CMOS / any persistent storage the BIOS/UEFI and NICs themselve use. (but that's not an OS issue then obviously.) if you can bring those NICs up without a bonding configuration then it's unlikely to be a firmware issue, though.
[10:45] <tomreyn> (i don't know whether you can)
[11:02] <memphisto> hi , running (k)ubuntu on 8560p
[11:02] <memphisto> but i can't see my webcam
[11:03] <memphisto> https://pastebin.com/J78njFAX
[11:03] <memphisto> lsusb output
[11:05] <oerheks> is this webcam integrated into a laptop? use lspci
[11:05] <memphisto> aah
[11:05] <memphisto> ok, will check
[11:06] <memphisto> https://pastebin.com/zCDvqq5F
[11:06] <memphisto> i stil can't see it
[11:07] <oerheks> indeed, me neither
[11:08] <oerheks> is there a hardware switch for webcam, single button  or FN key combo ?
[11:09] <memphisto> no hw key
[11:09] <memphisto> checking the FN keys
[11:09] <memphisto> there is only hw kye for light
[11:12] <memphisto> oerheks: thanks for help
[11:12] <memphisto> it could be it's faulty, after all it's an old lapotop
[11:13] <oerheks> i have an old centrino too, webcam unsupported, crystal eye..
[11:14] <memphisto> will check the bios settings
[11:14] <oerheks> good idea, yes. mine does not have a setting there, maybe you are lucky
[11:16] <tomreyn> lsusb?
[11:16] <oerheks> he needed lspci..
[11:18] <jezebel> hmmm is anyone else able to get chromium browser to launch external applications using xdg-open
[11:18] <memphisto> oerheks: another opsticle, it was my sister's company laptop and BIOS is locked
[11:19] <memphisto> anyways, since it's laptop for my mom now, we will call it no cam laptop
[11:19] <oerheks> memphisto, oke, nothing we can do about that :-(
[11:22] <memphisto> jezebel: no issues here
[11:22] <memphisto> jezebel: out of the box working
[11:28] <oerheks> snap connections chromium # shows what can be done to open <x>
[11:30] <doha> can i somehow check the power draw from a usb device? it's a powered hub and i need to see if it's actually also drawing power from the usb port
[11:30] <doha> i mean if the hub is drawing power from the server
[11:36] <oerheks> doha, dmidecode should be able to show
[11:36] <oerheks> not sure what code..]
[11:55] <skookum> is it just me or is the touchpad scrolling direction reversed in 20.04?
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> skookum: join #ubuntu+1 please
[11:55] <skookum> 🆗
[11:56] <MJCD> when I update user groups
[11:56] <MJCD> do I have to log out and back in for it to take effect?
[11:56] <MJCD> or reboot?
[11:56] <MJCD> etc
[11:56] <EriC^^> MJCD: logout and back in
[11:57] <dagelf> Anyone else using Ubuntu on < 8GB of RAM?
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> whats your real question dagelf ?
[11:58] <MJCD> EriC^^, thanks that worked <3
[11:58] <MJCD> have a good one!
[11:59] <skookum> dagelf: I am running ubuntu server on a raspberry pi with 1 GB of ram
[12:00] <skookum> and I'm pretty sure you can run Ubuntu MATE with the desktop environment on the rpi as well
[13:09] <Sven_vB> what screen reader strategies do we have in xenial that could help my script read the playback position from VLC's status bar? (I already tried the HTTP and telnet interfaces, they're not reliable enough.)
[13:10] <Sven_vB> also I've seen gtk-parasite and the GTK+ inspector.
[13:21] <BarnabasDK> Sven_vB, have you considered the VLC api itself?
[13:22] <Sven_vB> BarnabasDK, nope, what do you mean with that?
[13:22] <BarnabasDK> https://wiki.videolan.org/MediaControlAPI/
[13:22] <Sven_vB> oh probably https://wiki.videolan.org/MediaControlAPI
[13:23] <BarnabasDK> dont know if it can do what you want
[13:23] <Sven_vB> thanks!
[13:23] <Sven_vB> oh. "The MediaControl API was removed from VLC in 2010."
[13:24] <BarnabasDK> well maybe you can achieve the same with mplayer or otherwise
[13:24] <Sven_vB> I'll investigate python-vlc
[13:27] <Sven_vB> seems like that's about integrating vlc in a program, not controlling a running instance.
[13:27] <s_> does 18.04 have postgresql-10 as the latest?
[13:31] <s_> i don't see 11 or 12
[13:36] <oerheks> !info postgresql-common bionic
[13:37] <oerheks> 10+190ubuntu0.1
[13:46] <hexo> hi everyone, my ubuntu installation stopped installing packages
[13:46] <hexo> # apt-get install pnmixer
[13:46] <hexo> Reading package lists... Done
[13:46] <hexo> Building dependency tree
[13:46] <hexo> Reading state information... Done
[13:46] <hexo> E: Unable to locate package pnmixer
[13:46] <BarnabasDK> just did not find that package
[13:47] <BarnabasDK> hexo, what version are you using
[13:47] <hexo> 19.10
[13:47] <hexo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pnmixer
[13:48] <hexo> i've used do-system-update or what is was
[13:48] <hexo> two days ago
[13:48] <hexo> now i cannot install anything
[13:48] <hexo> and look
[13:48] <mkquist> he
[13:48] <hexo> if i try it with apt-file
[13:48] <hexo> it finds the package
[13:48] <BarnabasDK> what does /etc/apt/sources.iist say?
[13:49] <hexo> https://paste.centos.org/view/fcd2319d
[13:49]  * hexo grabs srcs
[13:49] <BarnabasDK> centos? this is an ubuntu channel?
[13:49] <hexo> so what
[13:49] <hexo> its paste
[13:49] <BarnabasDK> ok
[13:50] <mkquist> hexo: tried updating in terminal?
[13:51] <hexo> yup
[13:51] <mkquist> hexo: errors?
[13:51] <BarnabasDK> well its there in 18.04 maybe the pkg is no longer supported via official repos
[13:52] <BarnabasDK> in 18.04 +
[13:53] <hexo> https://paste.centos.org/view/336c2c4d
[13:53] <hexo> there are no errors
[13:53] <BarnabasDK> does the pkg exist in repo for 19.10?
[13:53] <hexo> https://paste.centos.org/view/a06a833f
[13:54] <hexo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pnmixer
[13:54] <BarnabasDK> in the repos
[13:54] <hexo> pls tell me whats wrongs
[13:54] <hexo> i dont know how to check it
[13:54] <BarnabasDK> pkg search <term>
[13:54] <hexo> so do it
[13:54] <hexo> my apt is broken
[13:54] <hexo> and look into those pastes
[13:55] <hexo> you'd get your answer already
[13:55] <BarnabasDK> all of your sources are hashed out in apt
[13:55] <BarnabasDK> is that on purpose
[13:56] <hexo> look at the bottom
[13:56] <hexo> :(
[13:56] <BarnabasDK> so your pkg is not in those
[13:57] <BarnabasDK> back to the original q is your pkg in the repos for 19.10
[13:57] <hexo> how can i know?
[13:57] <hexo> from launchpad, i'd say, IT IS
[13:57] <hexo> from apt-file list
[13:57] <hexo> i'd say, IT IS
[13:58] <BarnabasDK> mayby here ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:58] <BarnabasDK> launchpad does not equate official packages
[13:58] <hexo> did you try it yourself?
[13:58] <hexo> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pnmixer&searchon=names&suite=eoan&section=all
[13:59] <BarnabasDK> as I said I am on 18.04 LTS and the package is here
[13:59] <BarnabasDK> but it could have been removed for 19.10
[13:59] <hexo> is this some elaborate joke?
[13:59] <hexo> :(
[13:59] <BarnabasDK> why would it be?
[14:00] <hexo> how do I fix my apt?
[14:00] <BarnabasDK> can anyone confirm on 19.10 +
[14:04] <hexo> i cant install other stuff too
[14:04] <hexo> xournal for example
[14:04] <hexo> its just "not there"
[14:06] <hexo> so my APT is just broken, I have no idea how
[14:07] <hexo> i could export apt-config if someone "wants", if it helps to debug
[14:12] <BarnabasDK> hexo, try to restore your sources.list to the exact distro copy of 19.10 then do a apt update - apt upgrade
[14:13] <hexo> ok
[14:13] <BarnabasDK> then see if your pkg becomes available
[14:13] <BarnabasDK> do a backup of the existing one
[14:13] <hexo> ill do so! <3
[14:14] <Ben64> doesn't seem like a great solution
[14:14] <Ben64> !info pnmixer eoan
[14:14] <hexo> :)
[14:15] <Ben64> it's in universe, so if you don't have that enabled, enable it
[14:15] <BarnabasDK> Ben64, +1
[14:15] <hexo> aha
[14:15] <hexo> so
[14:15] <hexo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan main restricted # auto generated by ubuntu-release-upgrader
[14:15] <hexo> add universe to main and restricted?
[14:15] <Ben64> do it from the gui
[14:16] <hexo> i dont have gui
[14:16] <oerheks> BarnabasDK, easy to find with bing; https://gist.github.com/nexus166/4be68bd74404e884b018ca8ad23c5d0f
[14:16] <hexo> did it by hand
[14:16] <Ben64> then how do you plan on running an application in the system tray
[14:16] <oerheks> just copy to line #15
[14:16] <hexo> i have xmonad and no gnome applications
[14:17] <BarnabasDK> oerheks, yeah, but I do not want to post someones "standard" list here - it should be the distro one
[14:17] <hexo> Ben64: it helped!
[14:17] <Ben64> gl with that
[14:17] <hexo> thanks a lot!
[14:17] <hexo> works now
[14:17] <BarnabasDK> super
[14:17] <oerheks> BarnabasDK, no other source i know of.. except the iso
[14:17] <hexo> thank you guys and ladies
[14:17] <BarnabasDK> maybe the ubuntu git repo
[14:18] <Ben64> i mean, this works... https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[14:18] <Ben64> oh, did work
[14:18] <Ben64> :(
[14:18] <BarnabasDK> yeah - but as I said I am not on that disto so I had to ask for verification here
[14:18] <oerheks> no disco there indeed
[14:18] <BarnabasDK> or -that version ..
[14:19] <hexo> oooooooo yes, i no longer have to use alsamixer all the time :D :D this is so 2020 <3
[14:19] <BarnabasDK> hah
[14:19] <hexo> made my day, really :)
[14:20] <BarnabasDK> looking forward to 20.10
[14:43] <FreddyH> Hey guys
[14:43] <FreddyH> I have a service "elasticsearch" that I should have configured on startup in Ubuntu 16.04
[14:44] <FreddyH> However, when I run this after i reboot: sudo service --status-all
[14:44] <FreddyH> I get this [ - ]  elasticsearch
[14:44] <FreddyH> which means the service is inactive or stopped
[14:44] <FreddyH> First question is, how can I know if it did not boot for some erroneous reason, or maybe my enabling it on starting did not really work ?
[14:47] <oerheks> systemctl start elasticsearch.service  # is not enough > systemctl enable elasticsearch.service  to enable at boot
[14:52] <FreddyH> not update-rc ?
[14:58] <oerheks> Froh, i misread, you are still on 16.04
[15:00] <oerheks> should work, according to https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-elasticsearch-on-ubuntu-16-04
[15:46] <valentin> is there anywhere I can download 20.04 RC? according to their calendar it should have been published 2 days ago
[15:46] <BarnabasDK> probably delayed due to covid
[15:47] <BarnabasDK> like anything else
[15:47] <oerheks> valentin, sure, you can download it for weeks, i would suggest download daily build
[15:47] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:47] <oerheks> and join #ubuntu+1 for support
[15:48] <oerheks> BarnabasDK, this is not the fun channel
[15:49] <BarnabasDK> oerheks, wasnt trying to be funny
[15:49] <i7ch> hei people. i now that my next question is not exactly strictly related to ubuntu, but here it goes: is anyone willing to walk me through configuring some shortcut key for zsh/ohmyzsh ?
[15:49] <oerheks> actually, there is no RC
[15:50] <BarnabasDK> if you are exactly on date with all of this - its just impressive
[15:57] <oerheks> "During the week leading up to the final release, the images produced are all considered release candidates"
[15:58] <oerheks> so, i am wrong and correct ..sort of
[16:03] <valentin>  thanks oerheks, but can those images be considered of RC quality given no RC published? I'd like to install early and not have any leftovers when I update to release
[16:03] <ioria> valentin, you 're looking for the beta release ?
[16:03] <oerheks> when released, you will have the final versions of all packages, no problem
[16:04] <kk4ewt> valentin; you will still have zero day updates regardless
[16:05] <Bushmaster> Hi fox, I am seeking some clarification... its about Linux Server, lets say, Ubuntu server, first question, once you install Ubuntu Server OS in a server machine, do you then install Ubuntu in all your workstation computers?
[16:05] <ioria> valentin, the beta is here : http://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/
[16:06] <BarnabasDK> Bushmaster, there should be no requirement immediately
[16:06] <valentin> thanks, I was actually trying to hold off from installing the beta. is the diff between beta and RC just fixes at this stage?
[16:06] <BarnabasDK> update your servers freely of your clients
[16:06] <BarnabasDK> Bushmaster, but read the release notes
[16:06] <monkwitdafunk> hey is mozilla seamonkey in the respositories?
[16:08] <Bushmaster> what I am inquiring is once Ubuntu server OS is installed in server machine, and if I like to set up 50 workstation what OS I need to install in those workstation?
[16:08] <BarnabasDK> Bushmaster, depends entirely on your software needs
[16:09] <BarnabasDK> could be windows, could be linux something, or otherwise - more info is needed I suppose
[16:12] <oerheks> choose some desktop flavor, or miniiso to choose from them all ( + services like ssh)
[16:13] <Bushmaster> BarnabasDK,  lets say, 50 workstation, I have 100 students, they will use those 50 workstations for school work, mainly word processing, spreadsheet, photoshop, some programming in Python, some HTML, all basic works, I want to set up Linux based server with a server machine, so lets say I install Ubuntu Server OS in server machine and then all those 50 machines what I need to install? Ubuntu Desktop or Windows 10?
[16:13] <oerheks> not an ubuntu issue, choose and have fun
[16:21] <BarnabasDK> Bushmaster, I think it all depends on you choice of sw for the students
[16:21] <BarnabasDK> less on your choice os OS
[16:23] <Bushmaster> what is sw BarnabasDK
[16:28] <BarnabasDK> what office suite do you consider on linux?
[16:28] <BarnabasDK> LibreOffice
[16:28] <BarnabasDK> or is it a cloud based thing like office365 or google docs
[16:29] <BarnabasDK> in which case any compatible browser will do
[16:30] <BarnabasDK> bt as oerheks said - not really a ubuntu issue
[16:33] <Bushmaster> no problem
[16:34] <pavlos> Bushmaster: ltsp might be good for your setup, see ltsp.org
[16:35] <BarnabasDK> pavlos, +1
[16:39] <kenperkins> when you 32 or 64gb of ram in a desktop, is there any meaningful reason to not have swappiness set super low or 0?
[16:39] <kenperkins> have*
[16:40] <oerheks> No, adjusting swappiness is usually done by those who fear wear-and-tear of a ssd... those were the old days
[16:41] <BarnabasDK> kenperkins, try swapon --summary
[16:41] <BarnabasDK> when you are going full tilt
[16:41] <BarnabasDK> you are probably using nothing ..
[16:41] <oerheks> swappiness = 0, is silly, that means no use of swap at all
[16:42] <kenperkins> used: 61940
[16:42] <xXBadDreamXx> i have an xbox one wireless controller setup and working fine except that when i press the guide button it opens my browser and kicks me out of steam
[16:42] <xXBadDreamXx> asked for help late last night but everyone was sleeping
[16:43] <BarnabasDK> xXBadDreamXx, do your xbox run ubuntu?
[16:43] <xXBadDreamXx> its a pc running xubuntu
[16:43] <kenperkins> it's opaque to me how changing swappiness from the default 60 to say 5 or 1 will behave in day to day usage
[16:44] <xXBadDreamXx> i stream from my windows game machine to the xubuntu pc connected to my tv
[16:44] <BarnabasDK> kenperkins, RAM is a cheap today
[16:44] <kenperkins> capt obivous over here ;) thx :)
[16:44] <BarnabasDK> swapping is it worth it?
[16:44] <xXBadDreamXx> i would like 64 gigs of ddr4 ram...i have 3.50
[16:45] <kenperkins> in theory, with 64gb of ram I should never swap
[16:45] <kenperkins> but should I force that with a setting? or trust the system with the default of 60
[16:46] <xXBadDreamXx> dont force it
[16:46] <akem> If you plan to hibernate the machine you still need 64 GB swap :P
[16:46] <BarnabasDK> akem, different scenario but yes
[16:46] <kenperkins> hm I can't remember if it sleeps or hibernates, but I do one of them yes
[16:47] <xXBadDreamXx> i wish there were more linux gamers out there
[16:47] <kenperkins> I run steam and game on mine
[16:47] <xXBadDreamXx> i have problems and i need helps! ;)
[16:47] <xXBadDreamXx> cool kenperkins
[16:48] <xXBadDreamXx> my xbox controller problem is giving me fits
[17:00] <samthewildone> How do I display the file name in which the grepped term has been found ?
[17:01] <BarnabasDK> grep -H I believe
[17:01] <samthewildone> example: "# cat * | grep -i <some text>" I get a return but to many files to figure out which one.
[17:01] <BarnabasDK> yeah -H foo barfile
[17:02] <samthewildone> BarnabasDK, thanks, got it
[17:20] <pavlos> samthewildone: another way, grep port /etc/*.conf (show me .conf files in /etc/ that contain 'port'
[17:29] <samthewildone> pavlos, thanks as well.
[18:41] <chudak> hi all, this must be easy, but I lost the option to "Always on Visible Workspace" on windows located on 2d and 3d screen, any clues appreciated
[18:45] <oerheks> chudak, you can set that on the primairy only
[18:45] <oerheks> (18.04)
[18:47] <chudak> oerheks: where can it be set ?  I am on 20.04
[18:49] <chudak> I used to have this available on all monitors and now only on primary :(
[18:50] <kostkon> !ubuntu+1 | chudak
[18:51] <chudak> ok thanks
[18:51] <doha> hello
[18:51] <doha> how can i test if a specific mount is mounted or not? i need this for a bash script
[18:57] <chudak> its the same on 18.04 I guess
[18:59] <doha> found `mountpoint`.
[19:01] <pavlos> doha: you can check mounted-location in /proc/mounts
[19:09] <Helenah> I'm getting this all throughout my APT output "404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]". It said to try apt-get update or with --fix-missing, I've tried this.
[19:10] <Intelo> I just increased ebs volume on aws . On linux ubuntu, how can I increase on linux ubuntu? `sudo growpart /dev/sda1 1`  or `sudo resize2fs /dev/sda1` ?
[19:10] <Helenah> What is ebs?
[19:11] <oerheks> Intelo, why crosspost?
[19:12] <Intelo> oerheks, mistake by bot script
[19:12] <oerheks> you keep doing that ..
[19:13] <Helenah> I get this too E: The repository 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.
[19:13] <oerheks> Helenah, disco is dead, EOL. upgrade please
[19:13] <Helenah> I would if I had the disk space.
[19:13] <Helenah> Okay thanks for your support
[19:19] <Helenah> So I run do-release-upgrade and it says I should update my system before doing the release upgrade so I try to update myself with apt-get upgrade but unfortunately it still tries to use the very repos that no longer work.
[19:19] <Helenah> How do I upgrade the system?
[19:20] <ioria> Helenah, with the EOL repositories
[19:20] <oerheks> !eol
[19:22] <ioria> dirtycajunrice, any chance you can fix your connection ?
[19:22] <Helenah> Thanks, found it
[19:23] <Helenah> Oh, haha, I had a connection issue over a month ago that got a lot of people angry. Hehe
[19:26] <Intelo> asked in another channel but not satisfied. Can anyone comment on:  I wonder why most youtube tutorials just do resize2fs only and not growpart? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Brbqkzqvjw  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EQFe6CRvAM&list=PLxzKY3wu0_FLaF9Xzpyd9p4zRCikkD9lE&index=18    But the aws docs says only about growpart? https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/recognize-expanded-volume-linux.html
[19:27] <oerheks> we will disappoint you too, ask ##aws?
[19:28] <Intelo> oerheks, i do not want to get influenced by aws
[19:28] <Intelo> and want to understand at the linux point of view
[19:28] <Intelo> ubuntu specially
[19:28] <tomreyn> so what's your ubuntu (not youtube, not AWS) question?
[19:29] <Helenah> Intelo: If you don't want to be influenced by AWS, but you want a more Linuxy answer, you could always try ##linux
[19:29] <Helenah> But seriously, for something more AWS direct, ask in the AWS channel.
[19:29] <Intelo> Helenah, tried, not satsified; asked here
[19:29] <Intelo> Helenah,  its about the two commands
[19:29] <Intelo> why use either a
[19:30] <Helenah> This is for Ubuntu specific issues though.
[19:30] <Intelo> and which first
[19:30] <Intelo> Helenah, its ubuntu/linux command I guess?
[19:30] <Intelo> the os is ubuntu
[19:30] <Intelo> best ask in ubuntu. Am I on the right track?
[19:30] <Helenah> No, it isn't an Ubuntu specific command.
[19:31] <ioria> it's a cloud issue
[19:31] <Intelo> Helenah, ioria  ok, suppose, I just resized my disk. What command should I run?
[19:31] <tomreyn> Intelo: if you'll read the man pages for growpart and resize2fs it should become obvious what the difference is and how they may be related.
[19:31] <Intelo> I used dd, copied data to another disk. (a resize). What command should I use?
[19:32] <Helenah> Intelo: man growpart for more information on what that command does.
[19:32] <tomreyn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/growpart.1.html http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man8/resize2fs.8.html
[19:32] <Helenah> Intelo: Also, a channel that has helped me out great with cloud and network issues is ##networking, have you been there before?
[20:00] <alazy> Anyone use the netsurf browser? I've built the framebuffer target but I get an error message about initialising the framebuffer or surface.
[20:04] <pmart> does gdb require package sources to be available locally or is information in *-dbgsym packages enough for him?
[20:10] <pmart> symbols for binary are correctly loaded from /usr/lib/debug but then i still see "udisksdaemonutil.c: No such file or directory" after breakpoint hit
[20:13] <TJ-> pmart: some packages may have their symbols in a main archive package, just to confuse things!
[20:14] <TJ-> pmart: but generally it should be picked up
[20:18] <Yeah-Whatever> need help with Ubuntu 18.04 not booting, tried Boot Repair using live install disk UNsuccessful
[20:18] <Yeah-Whatever> when attempting 2 boot i see splash screen and then this endless text:
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Started Session cXX of user gdm.
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Started User Manager for UID 121
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Stopping User Manager for UID 121
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Stopped User Manager for UID 121
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Removed slice User Slice of gdm
[20:19] <Yeah-Whatever> Created slice User Slice of gdm
[20:20] <TJ-> Yeah-Whatever: you can temporarily prevent the display-manager from trying to load by intercepting GRUB and editing the menuentry to add "systemd.unit=multi-user.target "
[20:22] <TJ-> Yeah-Whatever: that'll give you a working text console where you can investigate from. Those messages sugest Gnome Display Manager is stuck in an endless loop, so you'd like do "journalctl -u gdm3" to discover more
[20:22] <pmart> TJ-: so basically the source code should be part of *-dbg *-dbgsym packages and there is no need to additionaly have *.c files on disk?
[20:22] <donpdonp|z> E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.
[20:22] <TJ-> pmart: that is the idea, yes
[20:23] <donpdonp|z> the ubuntu package mirror no longer has disco files? i cannot apt update anymore
[20:23] <Bashing-om> !19,04 | donpdonp|z
[20:23] <TJ-> pmart: when the packages are built the binaries include the debug symbols, then the debhelper 'strips' them and puts the symbols in the -dbgsym package
[20:23] <Bashing-om> !19.04 | donpdonp|z
[20:24] <TJ-> pmart: it sounds like that may not be happening for all binaries in the udisks2 source; report a bug for it
[20:24] <donpdonp|z> Bashing-om: i realize support ended, so i wouldnt expect updates, but the apt files are simply gone?
[20:24] <donpdonp|z> i cant believe they'd just break every 19.04 install??
[20:24] <TJ-> !oldreleases | donpdonp|z
[20:25] <donpdonp|z> yes updates stop. i get that.
[20:25] <donpdonp|z> this is different
[20:25] <Yeah-Whatever> TJ - ah - ok - how do i intercept GRUB ? by doing recovery mode ?
[20:25] <Bashing-om> donpdonp|z: Yup - repo moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases .
[20:25] <TJ-> donpdonp|z: briefly; the packages move to ^^^^
[20:25] <jackhum> hi , people of this channel , i have been using 18.04 and recently have installed user shell themes , but my shell theme keep reverting to normal now and then
[20:25] <donpdonp|z> ohh
[20:25] <jackhum> can anyone help me to troubleshoot this issue
[20:25] <donpdonp|z> thank you.
[20:26] <TJ-> donpdonp|z: so you can edit the apt sources.list to point to the old-releases.ubuntu.com and apt will continue working
[20:26] <donpdonp|z> yes i will do that.
[20:27] <donpdonp|z> hmm those appear to be only the install isos and such, not the deb repo
[20:28] <TJ-> donpdonp|z: on install the primary archives would be added to sources.list
[20:31] <donpdonp|z> while i cant seem to actually find the deb files on old-releases, 'apt update' is able to find them so im happy.
[20:32] <Yeah-Whatever> TJ it sits at /dev/sda1: clean xxxxxx files xxxxxx blocks now
[20:33] <Kristine68> hi my new laptop can't detect external monitor with Ubuntu 18.01 lts. Can anybody help me?
[20:34] <pmart> TJ-: what is the problem exactly? i do see the debug symbols being loaded for /usr/lib/udisks2/udisksd, that means they are somehow incomplete?
[20:35] <pmart> (like maybe contain only file offsets and not actual source lines)
[20:35] <TJ-> pmart: your error does seem to suggest that symbol, or entire source file reference, is missing
[20:37] <tomreyn> Kristine68: Ubuntu 18.01 lts does not exist, nor did it.    lsb_release -ds     will report what you're running
[20:38] <Kristine68> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[20:39] <tomreyn> Kristine68: ok. :) are you using the default gnome-shell based desktop? how's the external monitor connected (display port, hdmi, dvi, vga?)
[20:40] <econdudeawesome> tdym,bguy.l
[20:40] <econdudeawesome> alsamixer
[20:40] <tomreyn> econdudeawesome: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:41] <Kristine68> I dunno if it is default gnome-shell, how can I check?
[20:41] <Kristine68> I'm using hdmi port
[20:41] <tomreyn> Kristine68: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[20:42] <Kristine68> tomreyn https://termbin.com/lmhs0
[20:43] <tomreyn> Kristine68: this looks pretty default, yes
[20:44] <tomreyn> Kristine68: do you know which graphics card you have there?
[20:44] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:45] <TJ-> Yeah-Whatever: hmmm, sometimes you have to tap a key to get the "login:" prompt because the kernel messages overwrite it
[20:45] <Kristine68> tomreyn https://termbin.com/r7or6 I think from product info it is Nvidia GTX 1050
[20:46] <tomreyn> my condolences
[20:47] <tomreyn> well, with the right driver you should be able to manage the extra screen using the nvidia software for this purpose, "nvidia settings". that's pretty much all i know, though.
[20:48] <tomreyn> the standard screen settings on the "Settings" application won't apply, i think. or maybe just partially.
[20:49] <CyberiaAxis> hi any active here?
[20:50] <CyberiaAxis> how to chk the time zone
[20:50] <CyberiaAxis> ?
[20:51] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: date will tell you
[20:51] <Kristine68> tomreyn yah I spent couple of hours trying to find and installing drivers. Still stuck.
[20:51] <CyberiaAxis> not correct date is coming
[20:51] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos,
[20:51] <Yeah-Whatever> TJ - can i just boot from LIVE and reinstall while keeping my files/docs/programs ?
[20:51] <Kristine68> brb I need to restart
[20:52] <CyberiaAxis> from where i can see the TZ?
[20:52] <oerheks> surely date will tell timezone, CEST or something
[20:52] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: my date is Sat Apr 18 13:50:54 MST 2020, see the MST ??
[20:52] <CyberiaAxis> oerheks, date time is not correct
[20:52] <oerheks> CyberiaAxis, so, set the right time in bios for a start?
[20:53] <oerheks> CyberiaAxis,  or do you have windows 10 installed, then the time is way off?
[20:54] <TJ-> Yeah-Whatever: I'm not sure, I don't use the Ubuntu installers. Someone else may know
[20:54] <CyberiaAxis> oerheks, i am using VM
[20:54] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, VM and ubuntu 19.10
[20:54] <TJ-> CyberiaAxis: "date +%z; date +%Z"
[20:55] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: timedatectl | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:55] <oerheks> CyberiaAxis, so, your host is windows 10?
[20:55] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w5ZrD7C9XJ/
[20:56] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, oerheks
[20:56] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: your timezone is UTC
[20:56] <CyberiaAxis> means?
[20:56] <Yeah-Whatever> Ubuntu 18.04 HELP PLS caught in display manager endless loop at boot
[20:56] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: Universal Time Clock like GMT
[20:56] <CyberiaAxis> i wanna set my server timezone "Asia/Kolkata"
[20:56] <tomreyn> that your server was setup the way a unix-like server is usually setup.
[20:57] <tomreyn> timedatectl --help
[20:58] <CyberiaAxis> why UTC giving me wrong time
[20:58] <CyberiaAxis> tomreyn,
[20:59] <oerheks> UTC is now 20:59
[20:59] <tomreyn> apart form some seconds drift the "date" command and "timedatectl" command provided you with the correct time, in the UTC timezone
[20:59] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: timezonectl list-timezones ... find the nearest to kolkata, then timezonectl set-timezone Asia/somewhere
[20:59] <tomreyn> the drift is due to your system not reaching ntp servers, i would think
[21:00] <CyberiaAxis> okay
[21:00] <oerheks> datetimectl set-timezone Asia/Kolkata
[21:00] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: timezonectl set-timezone Asia/Kolkata
[21:01] <oerheks> timezonectl is also oke.. i would use datetimectl
[21:01] <CyberiaAxis> after that need to restart???
[21:02] <CyberiaAxis>  NTP service: inactive  what this?
[21:02] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: type again, timedatectl
[21:03] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: sync time with public NTP servers
[21:03] <CyberiaAxis> yes NTP should be enable
[21:03] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CVjDMJYdkh/
[21:04] <CyberiaAxis> i run the command
[21:04] <CyberiaAxis> sudo timedatectl set-timezone Asia/Kolkat
[21:04] <CyberiaAxis> now update https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CVjDMJYdkh/
[21:05] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: good, you're on IST now
[21:05] <CyberiaAxis> now i wanna enable the NTP
[21:05] <CyberiaAxis> is possible?
[21:05] <tomreyn> systemd-timesyncd is enabled by default usually.
[21:06] <CyberiaAxis> tomreyn, sudo systemd-timesyncd
[21:06] <CyberiaAxis> sudo: systemd-timesyncd: command not found
[21:06] <tomreyn> it'd be in /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd on 18.04 LTS
[21:06] <tomreyn> but we don't know what you run
[21:07] <CyberiaAxis> tomreyn, i am using 19.10
[21:07] <CyberiaAxis> server
[21:07] <tomreyn> should be the same there
[21:07] <TJ-> there's always "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
[21:07] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: timedatectl set-ntp true  then sudo systemctl start ntp
[21:09] <CyberiaAxis> sudo systemctl start ntp
[21:09] <CyberiaAxis> Failed to start ntp.service: Unit ntp.service not found.
[21:09] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos,
[21:09] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: sudo apt install ntp
[21:11] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, done all command
[21:11] <CyberiaAxis> commands
[21:11] <CyberiaAxis> now?
[21:11] <CyberiaAxis> need to restart the server?
[21:11] <tomreyn> so you replaced one time server by another, more complex, with more outdated code.
[21:12] <CyberiaAxis> tomreyn, not understand?
[21:12] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: timedatectl
[21:12] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: is ntp active? also systemctl status ntp will tell you the service is running
[21:12] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PzZYD9cxHS/
[21:13] <tomreyn> ntpd is and old beast, it's featureful but old software. you already had a time server running, most likely, systemd-timesyncd
[21:13] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, its stuck on something
[21:14] <tomreyn> not having ntpd installed won't be why your RTC was off, more likely you have a firewall blocking traffic to udp port 123
[21:14] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2jTzBmB6Jt/
[21:15] <CyberiaAxis> tomreyn, so now?
[21:15] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: try again, timedatectl set-ntp true then check again, timedatectl
[21:17] <oerheks> maybe in your vm, you better keep systemtime.. timedatectl set-local-rtc 1 --adjust-system-clock
[21:17] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zmp9VQMhyN/
[21:18] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: ntpq -p  (it should list the NTP servers checking
[21:18] <CyberiaAxis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7m352FdxRJ/ oerheks
[21:18] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, cyberia@cyberia:~$ sudo  ntpq -p
[21:18] <CyberiaAxis> ntpq: read: Connection refused
[21:19] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos,
[21:19] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: ntp.service is running?
[21:21] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NdnJfvJKxJ/
[21:21] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: ps aux | grep ntpd show show
[21:22] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: it's DEAD
[21:22] <CyberiaAxis> cyberia@cyberia:~$ sudo  ps aux | grep ntpd show
[21:22] <CyberiaAxis> grep: show: No such file or directory
[21:22] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: ps aux | grep ntpd ... my typo
[21:23] <CyberiaAxis> pavlos, cyberia@cyberia:~$ sudo ps aux | grep ntpd
[21:23] <CyberiaAxis> cyberia   2876  0.0  0.1   6296   924 pts/0    S+   21:22   0:00 grep --color=auto ntpd
[21:24] <pavlos> CyberiaAxis: ntpd is not running ... sudo systemctl restart ntp, then check again
[21:25] <Rockwood> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PgXdyypk6p/
[21:26] <Rockwood> after this sudo systemctl restart ntp
[21:26] <oerheks> unmask it first?
[21:26] <Rockwood> means?
[21:26] <Rockwood> what ve to unmask?
[21:27] <pavlos> Rockwood: ntp.servcie started, do you have an ntpd process running? then ntpq -p
[21:28] <Rockwood> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4QfS8tCD6D/
[21:29] <pavlos> Rockwood: read line 15
[21:30] <Rockwood> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jwzxTNwt9H/
[21:30] <pavlos> Rockwood: that looks good
[21:30] <Rockwood> now?
[21:31] <Rockwood> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3xSFS5KgrJ/
[21:32] <Rockwood> pavlos, now my time is correct
[21:32] <Rockwood> ??
[21:33] <tomreyn> Rockwood: you could look at what you posted and compare the time stamps you see
[21:34] <tomreyn> i.e. the timestamp reported by your system against the timestamp reported by the paste service
[21:34] <Rockwood> tomreyn, actually my php and mysql isn't getting correct time till now
[21:35] <Rockwood> need a restart?
[21:35] <Rockwood> tomreyn,
[21:35] <Rockwood> of server
[21:35] <tomreyn> what would be "correct time" and what is "not correct time"?
[21:35] <Rockwood> as per my UTC
[21:36] <Rockwood> its not coming as per my UTC
[21:36] <tomreyn> universal time coordinated is universal, not just yours
[21:36] <Rockwood> lol
[21:36] <Rockwood> i means as per my location it should be come
[21:37] <Rockwood> anyway thanks
[21:37] <tomreyn> so you're saying the timezone you set on your system isn't being applied to the output generated by these softwares
[21:37] <tomreyn> what is the timestamp reported by this software and what is the timestamnp you'd expect it to report?
[21:37] <Rockwood> yeah
[21:38] <Rockwood> actually as per our UTC  19-04-2020 03:08
[21:38] <tomreyn> i can't seem to follow.
[21:38] <Rockwood> and as per  Universal time: Sat 2020-04-18 21:27:32 UTC
[21:39] <TJ-> Rockwood: UTC is GMT
[21:39] <Rockwood> ok
[21:39] <Rockwood> +530
[21:39] <Rockwood> GMT 530
[21:39] <TJ-> Rockwood: your timezone is 5.5 hours ahead
[21:39] <TJ-> oops, there goes the time machine
[21:41] <syntaxfree> hi guys.
[21:42] <syntaxfree> so "xrandr --output eDP-1 --brightness $val" sets my screen brightness to $val.
[21:42] <syntaxfree> but how do I *query* the current brightness value?
[21:42] <syntaxfree> (so I can make a couple of scripts to brighten up and down)
[21:48] <pavlos> syntaxfree: xrandr --verbose | grep Brightness
[21:48] <syntaxfree> I was angry that Ubuntu was eating away battery life and as it appears the main driver of everything battery life is screen brightness.
[21:49] <syntaxfree> I wonder what performs visually better (in backlit displays) with low brightness, dark on white or white on black.
[21:49] <syntaxfree> (perform visually better = on usability/eye strain metrics)
[21:49] <TJ-> syntaxfree:  "grep . /sys/class/backlight/*/* "
[21:49] <soee> Hi. Is it possible to have 2 user account and for one use propriety nvidia driver and for second opensourced?
[21:50] <TJ-> syntaxfree: you can 'poke' the 'brightness' node there to a value between min and max
[21:51] <syntaxfree> to complete pavlos's answer, if it matters: "xrandr --verbose | grep Brightness | cut -f2 -d:" does the trick.
[22:42] <lestac> o/
[23:01] <lestac> hello, i have the next error with package updater: Spawn of helper '/usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/aptcc/get-distro-upgrade.py' failed: failed to spawn /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/aptcc/get-distro-upgrade.py: Falló al ejecutar el proceso hijo «/usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/aptcc/get-distro-upgrade.py» (No existe el archivo o el directorio)
[23:05] <Bashing-om> lestac: Please paste in a paste site of your choice ' LANG=C;sudo apt update ; LANG=C;sudo apt upgrade '. So we see all in context.
[23:10] <lestac> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DhKfhGN6rk/
[23:10] <lestac> Bashing-om
[23:11] <Bashing-om> lestac: looking ^ .
[23:12] <Bashing-om> lestac: Looks good - I see no issue there.
[23:16] <tomreyn> lestac: bug 1709699
[23:19] <lestac> no solution wroted?
[23:20] <tomreyn> not that i can see. i guess this means pk-update-icon in 18.04 LTS is just broken. it seems to expect thits helper script to exist but it doesn't exist.
[23:21] <lestac> i can remove that from app index ?
[23:22] <tomreyn> you can apt purge the "pk-update-icon" debian/apt package.
[23:50] <Roey> hi
[23:50] <Roey> I am trying to use Zoom on this computer (kubuntu 19.10) and for some reason it isn't identifying them microphone (I get an empty pick list in the Microphone settings)
[23:50] <Roey> how can I fix this? thanks.
[23:52] <tomreyn> !info zoom