[00:44] <bazhang> dont click those links
[00:45] <LjL> course not
[00:56] <vorian> unless you like to see harry bums
[00:56] <LjL> bazhang: that's not true.
[00:56] <LjL> bazhang: i'm so right that i can be WRONG if i want to.
[00:56] <vorian> hairy, rather
[00:56] <bazhang> LjL, not gross pictures? okay
[00:56] <bazhang> to each his own
[00:56] <vorian> :o
[00:57] <bazhang> oops
[00:57] <LjL> ... that ain't what i meant.
[00:57] <bazhang> never mind
[00:57] <bazhang> yeah I finally got that
[00:57] <Myrtti> ugh
[00:57] <Myrtti> mmmmmmmmmmm
[01:32] <bazhang> undo ics?
[01:34] <LjL> one ribeiro is enough
[01:34] <LjL> srsly
[01:34] <LjL> i already feel like i'm overwhelmed by integration by parts and differential equations
[01:34] <bazhang> just unplug stuff?
[01:43] <bazhang> excession seems awfully random
[02:03] <bazhang> hehe
[02:07] <LjL> markov bot?
[02:07] <bazhang> must have been
[02:07] <LjL> bazhang: you forgot to check for clones
[02:07] <bazhang> just saying hi had it talking about /var/log
[02:10] <bazhang> hi jpowermacg4
[02:13] <bazhang> jpowermacg4, something we can help you with?
[02:13] <bazhang> joltz, excessi0n is yours?
[02:13] <joltz> yes
[02:13] <LjL> !guidelines
[02:17] <LjL> joltz: have you noticed the amount of traffic in #ubuntu?
[02:17] <joltz> I have
 bazhang: ubuntu-desktop is just a bot.
[02:18] <LjL> joltz: do you think that adding to that traffic by having fun with Markov chains really helps anyone?
[02:18] <bazhang> not very smart of a bot
[02:19] <joltz> no, but it was really fun.
[02:19] <LjL> i see
[02:19] <LjL> it wasn't fun for the users seeking real support in #ubuntu, however
[02:19] <bazhang> fun to disrupt and confuse everyone?
[02:20] <joltz> well... I could have made it really obnoxious and respond to everything
[02:20] <joltz> I thought it was fairly mild
[02:20] <LjL> then we'll be fairly mild too, won't we bazhang?
[02:21] <joltz> do any of you happen to be ops in #debian as well?
[02:21] <bazhang> a week for every bit of nonsense uttered?
[02:21] <LjL> joltz: why?
[02:21] <joltz> oh, no reason...
[02:21] <joltz> ;)
[02:21] <LjL> joltz: if you have no questions for us, please part.
[02:22] <bazhang> so around 104 weeks?
[02:22] <joltz> ok
[02:23] <joltz> I've had my fun, won't be bringing the bot back here anyway
[02:23] <bazhang> you sure wont
[02:24] <joltz> you're about the coolest ops I've ever been disciplined by, thanks
[02:24] <LjL> !dontzap is <reply> To re-enable the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace combination that restarts your X server, you can install the "dontzap" package and use the command « sudo dontzap --disable »
[02:25] <LjL> bazhang: that fellow gets 0 points in sympathy
[02:25] <LjL> i've warned the #debian ops, by the way.
[02:26] <jpowermacg4> oh my bad.. i just never knew this was here
[02:26] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops joltz Owns the "Excessi0n" Markov bot, seems to have no remorse, apparently want to move it to #debian as he's banned from here.
[02:28] <jpowermacg4> this is where you can report abuse?
[02:28] <LjL> jpowermacg4: yes
[02:28] <jpowermacg4> ok thanks
[02:28] <jpowermacg4> i was wondering why no ops were in the other channel. lol
[02:28] <LjL> we are there.
[02:28] <bazhang> they are there
[02:28] <jpowermacg4> yeah i noticed after a while
[02:28] <bazhang> just hiding :)
[02:28] <jpowermacg4> undercover :P
[02:29] <jpowermacg4> cya later
[02:40] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops jpowermacg4 This might easily have been "joltz", or I can't explain how "joltz" knew that I suspected he'd move his bot to #debian, as his PM tells me: "[03:30:00] <joltz> nope, I'm not moving the bot to #debian, as I'm a fan of that distro <joltz> just making a joke."
[02:41] <bazhang> mentor (op in #debian apparently) saw him upon entering
[02:41] <LjL> bazhang: that's because i told him.
[02:41] <bazhang> LjL, right I saw that , did not know who they were
[02:58] <deww> hello
[02:58] <LjL> hi deww
[02:58] <deww> have a spammer on hand
[02:58] <deww> 22:53 [freenode] -samual(n=saya@<IP_ADDRESS>)- Join us and enjoy at server irc.webnet.my  http://www.webnet.my http://chat.webnet.my ÇoreTeaM³® ÇoreTeaM³®
[02:58] <deww> thats the msg i noticed when join #ubuntu
[02:59] <LjL> we'll handle that, thanks for reporting
[02:59] <deww> thanks
[02:59] <deww> i shall part
[02:59] <LjL> (yes, he was coached)
[02:59] <bazhang> deww?
[03:00] <LjL> bazhang: yeah, i pm'd him and asked about the spam, then asked him to re-report it here
[03:00] <LjL> bazhang: now i'd like the one other fellow who said somethng about "samual" earlier to confirm it
[03:00] <bazhang> LjL, aha
[03:01] <LjL> hello again
[03:01] <jpowermacg4> hey
[03:03] <jpowermacg4> is it alright if i use #ubuntu as a test channel. I'm working on a bot "txtest" it doesn't do anything but attempt to keep track of the users.
[03:03] <jpowermacg4> i've finally succeeded with my buffers!
[03:04] <LjL> jpowermacg4: as long as it's completely silent and doesn't log to any sort of public place.
[03:05] <jpowermacg4> yeah it only has 1 command at the moment that i can call from another channel... it's finally gotten the user counts correct in #ubuntu
[03:07] <jpowermacg4> i'm essentially trying to make it a "irc client" first.... i finally redid the socket work yesterday with a bit of help
[03:07] <cj_sze1> LjL: (10:30:49 AM) samual: (notice) Join us and enjoy at server irc.webnet.my http://www.webnet.my http://chat.webnet.my ?oreTeaM?? ?oreTeaM??
[03:07] <LjL> cj_sze1: thanks for reporting that, we'll take care of it
[03:07] <jpowermacg4> seems this code is a lot more stable :D .. my bots written in PHP heh
[03:07] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops samual PM spammer
[03:08] <bazhang> I would say NO to the bot
[03:08] <cj_sze1> LjL: can ubuntu server 8.10 read more than 4 gig of RAM
[03:09] <cj_sze1> ?
[03:09] <LjL> cj_sze1: ask that in #ubuntu please, this channel is for abuse reporting only
[03:09] <cj_sze1> ahh
[03:09] <cj_sze1> ok thanks,, sorry :)
[03:10] <jpowermacg4> bazhang: you referring to me?
[03:10] <bazhang> jpowermacg4, you are a bot?
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> no no.. i'm testing one as a IRC client. currently I'm testing it on #ubuntu because it's the biggest channel I know of. Just testing to see if it's able to keep track of users. I've fixed up some older bugs in my old version. But my new version uses a new buffer and was checking to see how good it was
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> seems to beat the old fgets version though
[03:12] <bazhang> if it talks it will be removed
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> nah it doesn't talk
[03:13] <bazhang> does it log to a public channel
[03:13] <jpowermacg4> not sure what you mean... only thing is does is...
[03:13] <jpowermacg4> [23:13:38]  <txtest> There are 1353 people in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net: Too many to display
[03:14] <jpowermacg4> uh oh.. looks like it's failing already lol
[03:14] <bazhang> its logging IP's?
[03:14] <jpowermacg4> i don't think i can get ip's
[03:14] <jpowermacg4> it's gonna essentially be a irc client though
[03:15] <jpowermacg4> so whatever x-chat does.. it's gonna do
[03:15] <jpowermacg4> it all works by arrays
[03:18] <jpowermacg4> it doesn't save anything though, just checking to see if theres any bugs
[03:21] <bazhang> jpowermacg4, those who know about bots say ok
[03:22] <bazhang> jpowermacg4, others may chime in later, so be aware
[03:24] <jpowermacg4> ok, i need to fix it actually at the moment though for User Quits. Was a quickmock up mostly just to make sure my data isn't getting corrupted/incomplete. Thus it passes on that.
[03:29] <bruce89> true to my word, here I am
[03:32] <bazhang> bruce89, how may we help you?
[03:33] <bruce89> well, I just wonder why bans are handed out so liberally
[03:33] <bazhang> they aren't
[03:33] <bruce89> I mean, I could understand torrrents of swearing or advertising
[03:33] <jpowermacg4> i'll retest tomorrow.. don't feel like looking for the bugs tonight.
[03:34] <jpowermacg4> good night
[03:35] <bruce89> I just don't understand why things are taken so seriously
[03:36] <bazhang> its a busy support channel
[03:36] <bazhang> there are several offtopic chat channels
[03:36] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic to name two
[03:37] <bruce89> well, in this case, the person in question was going to ask a question
[03:37] <bazhang> tranceenergy?
[03:37] <bruce89> yes
[03:37] <bazhang> aha
[03:37] <bazhang> well not your affair really
[03:38] <bruce89> known issue I assume
[03:41]  * bruce89 is not surprised, I'm told to discuss things here, then told to mind my own business
[03:41] <bazhang> not others bans
[03:41] <bazhang> they can come here
[03:41] <bruce89> well, my concerns are general
[03:43] <bazhang> bruce89, it is a support channel. there are certain rules. smaller channels may not have those rules.
[03:44] <bruce89> well, it's not exactly 10 lines per second
[03:45] <bazhang> this seems to be focusing on one user.
[03:45] <bazhang> ie tranceenergy
[03:45] <bazhang> bans are not permanent in most cases
[03:46] <bazhang> though some do exist for repeated, very serious violators
[03:46] <bruce89> it's not so much the bans, it's just the whole attitude
[03:46] <bazhang> it is a more strict channel by necessity.
[03:46] <bruce89> for instance, if it is even slightly tangential to the topic, things happen
[03:47] <bazhang> and there are avenues to chit chat outside of the channel (as mentioned above)
[03:47] <bazhang> that seems hyperbolic
[03:47] <bruce89> it's not a comet
[03:47] <bazhang> ie not a fair representation
[03:48] <bruce89> I understand that #ubuntu is not for general discussion, but the occasional remark is surely harmless
[03:51] <bruce89> all I can say is that it's sad that Ubuntu has come to this
[03:52] <bazhang> come to what?
[03:52] <bazhang> oops
 freenode is fascinating, structured like the military
[04:13] <bazhang> :0
[04:35] <bazhang> cj_sze1, how may we help you
[05:27] <Flannel> Hi cj_sze1, how can we help you today?
[05:35] <bazhang> he has this on autojoin
[05:36] <Flannel> cj_sze: If you have no current business in this channel, please don't idle here
[06:59] <elky> Myrtti, 2:30am my time: <Icebuntu> hey please allow me to go to ubuntu fi
[07:05] <jussi01> elky: oh dear....
[08:35] <bazhang> * [DaemonDEB] (n=ryan@c-67-173-86-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net): ryan
[08:35] <bazhang> daemonmdv?
[08:36] <bazhang> aka ryan farmer , almightycthulhu?
[08:37] <elky> -NickServ- Information on DaemonMDV (account DaemonXP):
[08:37] <elky> -NickServ- Registered : Feb 15 20:00:07 2009 (4 weeks, 4 days, 12:36:40 ago)
[08:37] <elky> -NickServ- User reg.  : Jan 26 13:52:18 2009 (7 weeks, 3 days, 18:44:29 ago)
[08:37] <elky> -NickServ- Last addr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:37] <elky> did we ban or not?
[08:38] <bazhang> not in +1 iirc
[08:38] <bazhang> where he is now <DaemonDEB> kernel.org kernels are the only ones I use
[08:38] <elky> then let him earn it. if his recent behaviour is anything to go by, then it wont be long
[08:39] <bazhang> true
[08:39] <bazhang> I think hobbsee was asking about him yesterday iirc
[08:39] <bazhang> ie was he a troll
[08:41] <bazhang> yeah its him, knocking down ubuntu and extolling fedora
[09:02] <bazhang> icebuntu incoming in #u #k
[09:04] <elky> i dont mind him there if he behaves
[09:04] <bazhang> he was giving really bad advice in #k earlier
[09:06] <elky> then that is not behaving
[09:08] <bazhang> daemondeb was ban dodging in -ot
[09:17] <elky> bandodging how? he's got a static ip
[09:18] <bazhang> thought he was banned there as daemonmkv or similar
[09:18] <bazhang> he just quit (as daemondeb)
[09:19] <elky> as daemonmkv!*@* only?
[09:19] <elky> @bansearch  daemonmkv!*@*
[09:19] <bazhang> I was not the one to ban, can seem to find the relevant bt info at the moment
[09:19] <elky> @bansearch  daemon*!*@*
[09:19] <elky> @bansearch  daemon*@*
[09:20] <bazhang> almightycthulhu shows no matches either; though btracker does
[09:20] <elky> @btlogin
[09:26] <bazhang> * DaemonDEB<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:26] <bazhang> just now
[09:28] <elky> connection died maybe
[09:28] <bazhang> * [Daemon_] (n=xavierg2@host-98-127-40-131.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net): Xavierg2003 ban evading in #u
[09:29] <elky> um, the only connection is the word 'daemon', and by that argument we should ban all daemons... like the bots.
[09:29] <bazhang> he quit (daemon_)
[09:30] <elky> bazhang, i want a reason to nuke him too, but inventing reasons isn't going to work
[09:30] <bazhang> xavierg2003 is someone else entirely
[09:31] <elky> yes, i know. you're confusing me here
[09:31] <elky> who are you saying is ban evading?
[09:32] <bazhang> two different people in two different channels :)
[09:32] <bazhang> sorry about that
[09:32] <bazhang> ljl banned xavierg2003 earlier today
[09:33] <bazhang> ryanfarmer aka (many many nicks) was banned by several individuals in -ot
[09:34] <elky> i'm pretty certain none of those bans remain at this point in time
[09:34] <bazhang> okay
[09:34] <elky> i cannot see them, anyway
[09:35] <bazhang> the bantracker seems not be in sink with #bansearch though
[09:35] <bazhang> err sync
[09:36] <elky> i think that's a known issue
[09:36] <bazhang> okay
[10:23] <Myrtti> jussi01: in pm?
[10:25] <Myrtti> bum, hangover fail
[10:25] <Myrtti> elky: did he ask that in pm?
[10:26] <elky> Myrtti, yes.
[10:27] <Myrtti> and what did you answer?
[10:27] <elky> i didnt
[10:27] <elky> it was 2:30am my time, i didnt find it until i got home 16hrs later.
[10:44] <ikonia> bullgard4 has managed to setup a fully functioning samba domain - but doesn't know what the domain master is ????
[10:44] <ikonia> does that seem possible ?
[10:45] <jussi01> ikonia: it may be that he doesnt understand your terminology?
[10:45]  * jussi01 waves to ikonia :)
[10:45] <ikonia> jussi01: hey hey
[10:46] <ikonia> jussi01: I did think that but I tried to explain what it does and he still doesn't get it
[10:46] <jussi01> ikonia: still on track for your holiday?
[10:46] <ikonia> so far all looks good
[10:47] <jussi01> got passport yet?
[10:48] <ikonia> already sent off
[10:48] <jussi01> :)
[10:51] <Myrtti> so...
[10:52] <Myrtti> did you know that I've moved to England and am in common-law marriage? I didn't. But the Finnish NHS says I am so it *must* be true...
[10:52] <bazhang> he has had way more than 3 strikes (more like 23)
[10:52] <jussi01> Myrtti: ROFL!!
[11:03] <Myrtti> I liked that decision so much I had four pints of cider last night, but I must have had something with alcohol content more than 4.7% since I feel, quite frankly, shit.
[11:10] <ikonia> Myrtti: UK cisder is strong
[11:11] <Myrtti> ikonia: so I noted...
[11:12] <Tm_T> kids...
[11:12] <ikonia> cider even
[11:32]  * Mez just tried to use his phone as a numeric keypad
[11:48] <bazhang> useruser periodically says : guuuuuuuuunit
[11:48] <bazhang> has been warned to stop
[11:49] <Myrtti> shreddies ♥
[12:55] <bazhang> wonder is shadeslayer is for real
[12:55] <bazhang> seems to be having problems with everything and all the while suggesting 'it must be hal'
[12:56] <bazhang> he was talking about configuring his led's to monitor dl speed but cant clear apt cache?
[12:56] <ikonia> bazhang: I've told him it's not hal 100 times
[12:57] <bazhang> ikonia, and he has downloaded all of kubuntu-desktop fresh in less than 5 minutes on a 128kbs connection
[12:57] <ikonia> bazhang: he's a known liar - see BT
[12:57] <ikonia> and the message I posted in here the other day
[12:57] <bazhang> he is banned in #ubuntu ?
[12:58] <bazhang> seems to be if the bot is to be trusted
[13:02] <bazhang> gnome is broken, now fixed all of a sudden? he just seems to have taken his trolling to #kubuntu frankly
[13:02] <bazhang> ie no straight answers, and mysterious configuration changes, all involving hal somehow
[13:03] <ikonia> bazhang: yes he's banned
[13:03] <ikonia> bazhang: and after admiting to his lies/ban/dodging/trolling I won't be lifting it for a while
[13:04] <bazhang> no idea why he is allowed to troll #kubuntu
[13:05] <ikonia> because one channel does not effect the other
[13:07] <bazhang> dont follow that reasoning at all.
[13:07] <bazhang> he is wasting peoples time and taking up official ubuntu channel resources
[13:38] <Myrtti> I can't help wondering why ASUS-tek wants to be on -fi
[13:40] <ikonia> Myrtti: just ignore it
[13:40] <ikonia> forget about him
[13:55]  * jussi01 waves
[13:56] <bazhang> o/
[14:08] <Myrtti> I'm just intrigued
[14:12] <ikonia> hello jussi01
[14:57] <LjL> Myrtti: you might want to remove the hostname ban that the floodbot automatically set on him, if you want him redirected
[14:57] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm getting there
[14:58] <Myrtti> though - he's requesting a cloak at freenode
[14:58] <Myrtti> which is why I'm redirecting him here
[14:58] <LjL> ah
[14:59] <bazhang> too dodge a ban
[14:59] <LjL> Myrtti: note he changed the nickname now.
[14:59] <bazhang> er to
[14:59] <LjL> though that might just be for setting up the alternate
[14:59] <LjL> bazhang: it looks that way, yes
[14:59] <Myrtti> LjL: note I put the ban with An7i*!*@*, not An7i!*@*
[15:00] <LjL> ah right, not a problem then
[15:00] <Myrtti> I've been on IRC far too long ;-)
[15:01] <LjL> Myrtti: well maybe, but using sane banmasks shouldn't by itself be a symptom of irc overdose :)
[15:03] <LjL> what's this CTCP day?
[15:04] <Myrtti> apparently so
[15:04] <Myrtti> I wonder if there's some new vulnerability that they're trying to exploit or something
[15:04] <LjL> maybe... they're just doing versions
[15:04] <LjL> mind, they could merely be curious as to which clients people are using in a big channel
[15:13] <LjL> did you see just which cloak an7i got?
[15:13] <ikonia> no?
[15:13] <bazhang> yep
[15:13] <ikonia> he's not got a cloak according to whois
[15:14] <ikonia>  /whowas sorry
[15:14] <ikonia> what did he get ?
[15:14] <bazhang>  An7i_2 (n=An7i@unaffiliated/an7i)
[15:14] <ikonia> is that bad that he got that cloak ?
[15:14] <Myrtti> [16:57] <+mquin> An7i_2: you are now cloaked
[15:14] <LjL> ikonia: if he got that to ban evade, yes it is
[15:14] <LjL> i guess we shall see that
[15:14] <ikonia> LjL: ahh I didn't know who he was or that he was banned
[15:14] <LjL> ikonia: /whowas is flawed when people change hostnames
[15:15] <bazhang> what was he banned for
[15:15] <LjL> bazhang: CTCP'ing #ubuntu
[15:15] <bazhang> LjL, ok
[15:15] <Myrtti> not a major offence, could have been done accidentally
[15:15] <Myrtti> and I'm fine to let him go if he can explain himself well enough
[15:15] <LjL> yeah, but what happened in #freenode smells fishy
[15:16] <bazhang> nothing like shadeslayer
[15:16] <Myrtti> exactly
[15:16] <LjL> notice how he said "i want to hide my hostname"
[15:16] <LjL> and then corrected himself and said "change"
[16:19] <LjL> Pici managed to use /nick
[16:19] <LjL> applaud please
[16:19] <Pici> *thwap*
[16:19] <bazhang> hehe
[16:20] <Pici> He already has me in PM...
[16:20] <LjL> Pici: pagan_ i guess?
[16:20] <Pici> yes
[16:20] <ikonia> whois pagan_
[16:20] <ikonia> ?
[16:20] <bazhang> seems like erry
[16:20] <Pici> hes someone who doesnt know how to use irc
[16:20] <LjL> ikonia: did NOT manage to use /whois
[16:20] <LjL> do not applaud please
[16:20] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[16:21] <ikonia> so pagan_ and kiddes are the same guy in #ubuntu
[16:21] <Pici> Yes. He just nicked to that, congrats
[16:46] <Pici> um
[16:47] <bazhang> * [shadelayer] (n=rohan@<IP_ADDRESS>): Rohan Garg
[16:47] <Pici> why is shadeslayer in #ubuntu asking to be banned?
[16:47] <bazhang> what the heck
[16:47] <shadelayer> Pici: i joined from testnode
[16:47] <shadelayer> please ban me
[16:47] <bazhang> its shadeslayer ban evading
[16:47] <shadelayer> im not worhty of #ubuntu
[16:47] <shadelayer> not evading,i wanted to join #kubuntu
[16:47] <Pici> shadelayer: Then why are you even in #ubuntu?!
[16:47] <shadelayer> missed the k
[16:47] <bazhang> you are in there now
[16:48] <shadelayer> no
[16:48] <Pici> yes
[16:48] <shadelayer> i parted
[16:48] <shadelayer> now?
[16:48] <bazhang> * shadelayer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[16:48] <shadelayer> what about now??
[16:48] <Pici> shadelayer: Why did you join in the first place if you knew you should have been banned??
[16:48] <bazhang> why are you ban evading again
[16:48]  * LjL rolls eyes
[16:49] <shadelayer> im not,i missed the k in kubuntu
[16:49] <shadelayer> i was /join #kubuntu and i missed the k
[16:49] <bazhang> that is not true
[16:49] <LjL> shadelayer: just leave, since you know you're banned
[16:49] <shadelayer> it was a typo
[16:49] <shadelayer> i left it already
[16:50] <LjL> ok, no need for me to ban that IP then
[16:50] <shadelayer> ill restrain my self
[16:50] <shadelayer> thanks
[16:50]  * Pici facepalms
[16:50] <bazhang> no he wont
[16:50] <bazhang> just ban him from kubuntu as well
[16:50] <Pici> Is he supposed to be banned from #kubuntu or not?
[16:51] <LjL> don't think so
[16:51] <bazhang> he is trolling there all the livelong day
[16:51] <bazhang> not yet
[16:51] <bazhang> ikonia, has some reasoning behind this
[16:52] <Pici> Well, the next time someone sees something ban/kickworthy in #kubuntu, but doesnt have access there, just mention it here
[16:52] <bazhang> I have done so throughout the day
[16:53] <LjL> i see what the problem is
[16:53] <LjL> he's not in my highlight list for some reason ;)
[16:55] <LjL> oh look, a minisplit
[16:55] <LjL> how cute
[16:55] <Pici> awww
[16:59] <LjL> uhm, #ubuntu *does* currently forward to -unregged, doesn't it?
[16:59] <LjL> (no konv can't show that)
[17:00] <bazhang> xchat shows yes
[17:00] <Pici>  mode/#ubuntu [+tncLf #ubuntu-unregged]
[17:01] <LjL> good
[17:01] <LjL> earlier it looked like >5 nicks joined at the same time, but no one ended up in -unregged
[17:04] <LjL> [18:04:23] --> javierg has joined this channel (n=javierg@adsl-074-238-058-002.sip.mia.bellsouth.net).
[17:05] <LjL> this might be "xavierg2003" alias "daemon" who was being a pain with aircrack yesterday
[17:05] <LjL> although it's bellsouth while he was another ISP, so it might just be name coincidence
[17:06] <LjL> stdin: you're working on BT logs?
[17:06] <stdin> LjL: I'm tweaking the web interface slightly, that's all
[17:07] <stdin> should all still be working though
[17:07] <LjL> stdin: i'd love it (and i suspect we all would) if logs had nick/host highlighting... *blink blink*
[17:07] <LjL> (yes, it still works, i just noticed the full/inline thing)
[17:08] <stdin> LjL: the full log page does, but there's no "nice way" to do it yet
[17:08] <stdin> just add &highlight=... to the "full" URL
[17:08] <Pici> When I was playing with django I wrote something that would do it based off of the nick or mask
[17:08] <stdin> I added the highlight stuff for @banlink
[17:11] <LjL> stdin: uhm, doesn't seem to work for me, i suppose you mean like &highlight=nickname?
[17:11] <LjL> Pici: yes but was that one based on supybot or ubot?
[17:12] <stdin> LjL: wait, it's &mark=... not &highlight
[17:12] <LjL> ah
[17:12] <Pici> LjL: supybot, but it was hackish
[17:13] <stdin> when you do @bansearch you get a ban ID for each ban, you can use that to do @banlink <Ban ID> [<highlight>]
[17:13] <LjL> stdin: cute, the best is if you could do nickname highlighting even when one is only looking at a hostname ban record - i think you have the infrastructure to do this, given that @mark does remember the full mask for users?
[17:13] <bazhang> LjL, yes daemon_ was on earlier xavierg2003
[17:14] <stdin> LjL: it only remembers the hostname for users currently in channels the bot is in
[17:15] <stdin> if a user quits/parts, it'll do a whois/whowas to try and get it
[17:16] <LjL> stdin: well it would be very nice if that could end up in the ban info, one way or another (by highlighting in the logs or otherwise)... because of the fact that if an op bans first and kicks later, you won't see the nickname if you search for the ban - and conversely, if an op kicks first and bans later, you won't see the host if you're searching by nick
[17:17] <LjL> that was always my main gripe about the bt
[17:17] <stdin> LjL: I recently changed the way that works, all kick/removes should give the full host of the targeted user
[17:18] <stdin> so searching for the hostmask should return the remove/kick entry too
[17:18] <LjL> that's cool
[17:19] <stdin> I say "should", but I'm not 100% ;)
[17:20] <stdin> it's a pain messing with the BT, as it takes forever to reload itself when I change some code
[17:20] <bazhang> * rohan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[17:22] <LjL> stdin: yeah i'm not sure it's actually working. but it's cool that you're working on it anyway.
[17:23]  * jussi01 waves
[17:23]  * LjL catches jussi01's arm in the air and nibbles on it
[17:26] <jussi01> nibbles on it?
[17:26] <jussi01> o.O
[17:26] <Pici> Maybe LjL missed lunch/dinner
[17:27] <LjL> well i didn't want to outright eat it, it might be poisonous or just bad.
[17:27] <LjL> i don't have lunches
[17:27] <LjL> i have breakfast at 2pm, and then i have dinner
[17:32] <stdin> I wish I could get the tracker to reload in less than 5 mins
[17:32] <LjL> stdin: is it due to what, the big DB? (i wouldn't think so)
[17:33] <stdin> it's getting the banlist for the channels it's in
[17:33] <stdin> maybe a bad design decision
[17:34] <LjL> ah
[17:34] <LjL> wait, the banlist you mean the bot itself is doing /mode #c b
[17:34] <LjL> or the banlist from the DB?
[17:34] <stdin> yeah
[17:34] <stdin> from the server
[17:34] <LjL> uhm
[17:34] <LjL> well that shouldn't be *too* cumbersome though...
[17:34] <LjL> i mean, of course the #ubuntu banlist is pretty long, but the server should send it pretty quickly too
[17:35] <LjL> of course the fact itself of running /mode #c b for all channels - that takes time, due to throttling
[17:35] <stdin> I need to make sure it doesn't excess flood
[17:36] <stdin> the worst is when the bot starts up, as it joins all the channels, gets the user lists and the ban lists
[17:36] <stdin> and probably has factoid requests
[17:36] <LjL> stdin: why does it need to do that, anyway? i thought the bot wouldn't really much care about current bans anyway, but it would just use its own stored information (which explains why certain bans are not stored in the tracker in the first place)
[17:37] <stdin> keeps the tracker in sync, if the bot splits or just dies for some reason then the tracker can become out of sync
[17:38] <stdin> saying bans that don't exist are in place, or not seeing some bans
[17:38] <stdin> that just leads to confusion in a day or two when someone searches for something and get the wrong information
[17:38] <LjL> yes, but i thought that's what actually happens
[17:39] <LjL> stdin: anyway, perhaps you could turn that into a "delayed" job? for instance, it starts doing it after 5 minutes of being connected, and it does one channel a minute
[17:40]  * Pici wonders if he ever actually submitted that ubottu bug
[17:40]  * Pici shrugs
[17:41] <stdin> LjL: it's one of those things that "I going to do, but didn't" :)
[17:41] <LjL> stdin: i entirely know the feeling
[17:42] <stdin> I think I need to update the database structure to do what I want properly...
[17:42] <stdin> otherwise everything shows up as bans, not kicks
[17:43] <stdin> and the search seems to fail with only kicks selected
[17:45] <stdin> oh, and the database is quite large... 178MB
[17:45] <LjL> stdin: maybe just add an automatic comment to kicks containing the hostmask, and an automatic comment to bans containing the nickname?
[17:45] <stdin> hmm, that's could work
[17:47] <LjL> stdin: after all that's just the same thing that i often do manually for kickbans that i really want remembered
[17:55] <bazhang> daemondeb at it again in +1
[18:17] <jhass840> Is anyone willing to run the "test" that #ubuntu is requiring me to take, (preferably without crashing my connection to irc.ubuntu.com)?
[18:18] <jhass840> nevermind
[18:21] <LjL> err, how can i run the test without "crashing" it i wonder...
[18:45] <stdin> LjL: the auto-comment thing should be working now
[18:47] <LjL> nice
[18:48] <stdin> it's not perfect, but it should work for most cases
[18:52] <LjL> i'll be testing an auxiliary floodbot-helper bot shortly in #ubuntu - nickname is WatchBot or WatchBot1 - please don't ban
[18:53] <Pici> What does it do?
[18:55] <LjL> Pici: it will replace the floodbots' ban-evade warnings (which are completely broken), it already warns on "bad" site links, and i think i'll make it detect proxied hosts
[18:56] <LjL> Pici: the big difference is that it's not anymore restricted to watching one channel only
[18:57] <Pici> LjL: Still written in php? (just curious, not making a dig at php (yet))
[18:57] <LjL> Pici: yes, it's just a fork of the floodbots code
[18:57] <bazhang> heh
[18:57] <LjL> Pici: it's something i wanted to implement in the floodbots themselves, but there was a problem - i needed to do things asynchronously, or the bots might lock up for too long
[18:58] <LjL> Pici: now, there *are* ways to do things asynchronously, but 1) they're annoying 2) there's not way to do DNS requests async, which means you can't look DNSBLs up for a start
[18:58] <LjL> Pici: and secondly, the floodbots are a bit too tied to working in one channel only. so i thought i'd just split the workload
[19:01] <Pici> LjL: Sounds good to me
[19:05] <bazhang> this should be interesting
[19:05] <Pici> bazhang: mudak?
[19:05] <bazhang> vs daemondeb
[19:09] <LjL> Pici, mind giving watchbot +vV in #ubuntu-ops-monitor?
[19:13] <LjL> Pici (et all), and if you want to test it out, join ##ljl and paste any wicked link you can come up with :)
[19:14] <Pici> LjL: done
[19:15] <LjL> Pici: thanks
[19:15] <bazhang> watchbot kicks on bad links? ie spam and such?
[19:15] <LjL> bazhang: just join ##ljl and try it :)
[19:15] <bazhang> by bad links you mean not sfw?
[19:20] <LjL> bazhang: mostly
[19:25] <LjL> wow
[19:25] <LjL> it killed nobody in #ubuntu
[19:25] <Pici> yay
[19:25] <LjL> it killed a dozen people in #gentoo
[19:25] <LjL> my bots are working :)
[19:25] <Pici> We must have banned them all already
[19:26] <ikonia> I'm getting fed up of BUGabundo pushing it
[19:26] <bazhang> whoa nice
[19:26] <ikonia> effective bot managment gents
[19:36] <bazhang> that is insane
[19:36] <bazhang> brilliantly done LjL
[19:39] <DaemonDEB> ikonia: So what about the unsolicited traffic?
[19:39] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: hi DaemonDEB thanks for joining, I didn't want to discuss this in #ubuntu+1 after just making a clear statment about being offtopic in that channel
[19:40] <DaemonDEB> I've added a wildcard ignore for all ctcp traffic, thank you for reminding me to
[19:40] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: I version'ed you due to you're behaviour through out the day, you have represeted problematic behaviour throughout the day common to some other known users, I ran a version on you to see if you matched one of the potential other regular "trolls" that are an issue in ubuntu channels
[19:40] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: if it cause you a problem I apologise
[19:41] <ikonia> DaemonDEB: if there is nothing else you're welcome to leave this channel and go back to what you where doing
[20:14] <ikonia> bazhang: can you look in #ubuntu-irc please.
[21:06] <LjL> nalioth: does ubot3 sync with ubottu's database? (see -irc)
[21:12] <nalioth> LjL: hourly
[21:31] <LjL> nalioth: i'm not sure it's doing that, try /msg ubottu !ask-#ubuntu-gr and /msg ubot3 !ask-#ubuntu-gr
[21:31] <LjL> that was added a few days ago
[21:51] <nalioth> i don't think ubot3 is setup for channel specific factoids
[21:51] <LjL> ah
[21:52] <nalioth> which is why we have !bot-clone (or whatever it is)
[21:54] <LjL> nalioth: alright, i might see if i can set up mine for channel specific factoids and send it to them, if they can't host one for themselves
[22:06] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, LjL said: !no pastebin is <alias> paste
[22:06] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, LjL said: !no pastebin-#ubuntu-gr is <alias> paste-#ubuntu-gr
[22:11] <nalioth> why not help jpds and I get ours set up as well?
[22:12] <jpds> Mine has channel specific databases (-se and -vn atm).
[22:13] <LjL> nalioth: i have no idea how to enable them tbh. they just work for mine.
[22:17] <LjL> jpds: channel specific *dbs* wouldn't really work well for -gr i think, as they currently only want to have a couple of factoids (ask, paste) in greek and keep the rest in english
[22:18] <jpds> LjL: Ah, OK.
[22:24] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, LjL said: !paste-english is <alias> paste
[22:25] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, LjL said: !paste-english is <reply> The pastebin can be found at http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org
[22:25] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-gr, LjL said: !no paste-english is <reply> The pastebin can be found at http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org
[22:29] <LjL> Pricey: you were worried about there being a lot of -read-topic forwards in #ubuntu some days ago - if you look at #ubuntu now, for instance, floodbot2 is on an unbanning campaign on quite a few users he hasn't seen joining for 2 weeks
[22:29] <Pricey> LjL: ahh good stuff :)
[23:05] <LjL> err
[23:05] <LjL> that's probably not true
[23:05] <LjL> sorry
[23:33] <unko> sup guys
[23:33] <LjL> unko: hi. i need to let you know that #ubuntu is an entirely inappropriate place to advertize other channels (or advertize anything, for that matter)
[23:34] <LjL> do you think you can abstain from doing that in the future?
[23:34] <unko> sorry :[
[23:34] <unko> i didn't know
[23:34] <LjL> unko: #ubuntu is strictly about Ubuntu support, and nothing else
[23:34] <LjL> unko: feel free to drop a mention of your channel in #ubuntu-offtopic (ONCE is enough, though, or it just becomes spam)
[23:34] <unko> ok...thank you for  the warning
[23:34] <unko> ok thank u
[23:35] <unko> can i do it just once now?
[23:36] <LjL> not in #ubuntu
[23:36] <unko> in the off topic one
[23:36] <LjL> ok, yes
[23:36] <unko> thanks
[23:36] <LjL> unko: when you aren't sure about the channel rules, check "/msg ubottu etiquette" or ask here first
[23:36] <LjL> other than that, enjoy
[23:37] <unko> ok thank you very much
[23:40] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops unko Spammed twice an invitiation to join his channel in #ubuntu, was muted, said he won't do it again
[23:46] <bruce89> ah
[23:46] <bruce89> I don't appreciate being insulted, if they had stopped, so would I
[23:47] <LjL> bruce89
[23:47] <LjL> you just don't leave the channel saying "bloody arse"
[23:47] <LjL> AFTER having been warned about !language two minutes before
[23:47] <bruce89> true, but I am very upset
[23:47] <LjL> and i don't care
[23:47] <bruce89> charming
[23:48] <LjL> you either can respect the rules, or if you're too upset to, then you leave and go for a walk
[23:48] <LjL> if you are unable to understand you're too upset to be on irc, then don't be
[23:48] <bruce89> well, I don't mean to swear
[23:48] <bruce89> but being attacked is not fair
[23:49] <LjL> bruce89: exactly, how were you insulted, after i had given the !stop?
[23:49] <bruce89> I was called a troll and various things
[23:49] <bruce89> I am most certainly not
[23:49] <LjL> the word "troll" never appears after me giving !stop
[23:50] <bruce89> I don't care
[23:51] <LjL> ah, you don't?
[23:51] <LjL> ok
[23:51] <LjL> then find another channel
[23:51] <LjL> bye
[23:51] <bruce89> I have
[23:52] <bruce89> but I have to say that this lack of compassion is unreasonable
[23:52] <LjL> bruce89, as i said, not being able to respect rules after being told to is not acceptable in these channels.
[23:52] <LjL> you just stated that you don't care about that.
[23:52] <LjL> so long.
[23:52] <bruce89> well, for that, I'm sorry
[23:52] <LjL> no, you aren't sorry
[23:52] <LjL> [00:49:02] <LjL> bruce89: exactly, how were you insulted, after i had given the !stop?
[23:52] <LjL> [00:49:25] <bruce89> I was called a troll and various things
[23:53] <LjL> [00:49:41] <bruce89> I am most certainly not
[23:53] <LjL> [00:49:44] <LjL> the word "troll" never appears after me giving !stop
[23:53] <LjL> [00:50:29] <bruce89> I don't care
[23:53] <LjL> if you were sorry you wouldn't say this
[23:53] <bruce89> I can read above thank you
[23:53] <LjL> and, for context
[23:53] <LjL> !stop
[23:53] <LjL> i think that's pretty clear. it tells you to stop.
[23:53] <LjL> you didn't.
[23:53] <LjL> everyone else dropped it after i gave that.
[23:53] <LjL> you didn't.
[23:53] <bruce89> fair enough
[23:55] <bruce89> I find things far to heavy handed anyway
[23:55] <LjL> that's your prerogative to think it's that way
[23:56] <bruce89> you see, that's how you're supposed to take someone's opinion
[23:56] <bruce89> instead of saying you're wrong, and are therefore a troll who must be banished
[23:56] <LjL> i didn't ban you because of that
[23:57] <LjL> i did ban you because i warned that the argument in #ubuntu-offtopic had to STOP, and if not, further action would be taken
[23:57] <LjL> everyone else stopped. you did not. further action was taken.
[23:57] <bruce89> well, that's what led to me being rather annoyed
[23:57] <LjL> plain and simple
[23:57] <LjL> what, specifically?
[23:57] <bruce89> I do tend to ramble on mind you
[23:58] <bruce89>  bruce89: what experience?  all I've seen of you is you whining and bitching about stuff that isn't a problem
[23:58] <popey> bruce89: is this discussion really a worthwhile use of yours and LjLs time right now?
 bruce89: I don't care what you contribute, this channel is here so ubuntu users can have a place to discuss various things, and you're just being a little troll
[23:58] <bruce89> I have loads of time
[23:58] <LjL> no, sorry, you still don't get my point i think
[23:58] <LjL> i don't care what happened before i gave !stop
[23:59] <LjL> when i gave !stop, that meant i felt that the discussion had turned into a flamewar
[23:59] <LjL> (which it most certainly had)
[23:59] <LjL> so it had to stop.
[23:59] <bruce89> fine, <snuxoll> bruce89: then welcome to my /ignore, it's usually a pretty lonely place
 bruce89: must you continue whining?
[23:59] <bruce89> both of which were after


[07:35] <inetpro> good mornings
[15:01] <Kilos> o/
[16:10] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[16:11] <inetpro> glad that we can still communicate here while the rest of the world is down :-D
[16:11] <inetpro> even https://isitdownrightnow.com is down
[17:43] <Kilos-> telegram still working too
[17:43] <Kilos-> i just spoke to Tara
[17:44] <Kilos-> inetpro  do you know what happened
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos-: https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1445063880963674121?s=20
[19:03] <Kilos> ty
[20:12] <inetpro> another interesting posting
[20:12] <inetpro> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/10/what-happened-to-facebook-instagram-whatsapp/


[04:22] <Unit193> Omnifrog: Howdy.
[04:24] <Omnifrog> hi Unit193
[22:39] <wrst> Omnifrog: greetings
[23:43] <Omnifrog> hi wrst
[23:44] <Omnifrog> sorry. turned laptop on ... need to feed baby
[23:44] <Omnifrog> wrong order of operations
[23:45] <wrst> ha ha have a good night Omnifrog :)
[23:45] <wrst> sounds like you are babysitting


[00:12] <azend> It would be cool if we could get someone in to do a lecture about LaTeX and LaTeX styling
[00:21] <BobJonkman> LaTeX is a good thing for a workshop or a LUG presentation
[00:21] <azend> BobJonkman: Do you know cccharles?
[00:21] <BobJonkman> It's been years since KWLUG did LaTeX
[00:21] <azend> Chris Charles?
[00:23] <BobJonkman> I just ran into Kyle Spaans, who did the LaTeX lecture in January 2010; he's just moved to London, UK
[00:23] <BobJonkman> No, don't know Chris Charles
[00:23] <azend> One of the last times I saw him present, he decided it would be a good idea to make his own presentation software in the presentation as part of the presentation
[00:23] <BobJonkman> That's always cool.
[00:24] <azend> He wrote his entire presentation software in emacs and then, when he was done, he started presenting his slides
[00:24] <BobJonkman> Never got into LaTeX, but laurelrusswurm wants to typeset her next book with it
[00:24] <azend> :)
[00:24] <azend> What has she used previously?
[00:24] <BobJonkman> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
[00:24] <azend> Ah.. ouch...
[00:25] <azend> That's pretty hard core of her
[00:25] <BobJonkman> Most publishers (printers) want you to submit the manuscript as PDF or MS-Word
[00:25] <azend> pdflatex is great for that
[00:25] <BobJonkman> One site only takes MS-Word, then creates multiple formats for e-books.
[00:26] <BobJonkman> laurelrusswurm did it all herself with various epub tools
[00:26] <azend> cool
[00:26] <BobJonkman> So LaTeX takes a bit more learning, but should be simpler in the long run
[00:27] <BobJonkman> https://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/tag/smashwords/
[00:29] <azend> LaTeX will take quite a bit more learning
[00:29] <azend> But its benefits are tremendous
[00:29] <azend> For example, native version control using packages like Git
[00:31] <azend> Technically you could do the same thing with .docx but either you end up with a binary blob which is useless for tracking changes with or you xml files everywhere
[00:31] <azend> Personally, I would opt for the latter
[00:32] <BobJonkman> There are good ways and bad ways of dealing with manuscripts in word processors. I've never had to create anything nearly that big, but I think sub-documents are the way to go
[00:33] <azend> I'm not one to say either
[00:33] <azend> books scare me
[00:33] <BobJonkman> I was providing tech support to an HR department, and the secretary called to say she was having trouble with her document
[00:34] <BobJonkman> Seems she couldn't print the latest letter rejecting some candidate for a job
[00:34] <azend> Ah
[00:34] <azend> That one
[00:34] <azend> :)
[00:34] <BobJonkman> So I went over to have a look.
[00:35] <BobJonkman> Sure enough she was having trouble with her document. In all the time she'd worked there, she had only created one document that contained a page for every letter she'd ever typed.
[00:35] <BobJonkman> WordPerfect stopped working after the first thousand pages or so...
[00:36] <BobJonkman> But I don't think LaTeX would have helped her...
[00:36] <azend> :)
[00:37] <aruna_> BobJonkman:Hi Bob
[00:37] <BobJonkman> Hey, it's the Ubuntu Hour Toronto host!
[00:38] <aruna_> Oh come on.... there are lots of us here in Toronto :-)
[00:39] <aruna_> I hope folks will show up, weather man says expect 30cm of the white  stuff so bundle up
[00:39] <BobJonkman> Don't be saying that!
[00:40] <BobJonkman> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-82_metric_e.html says only 5-10 cm here
[00:41] <BobJonkman> http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_e.html says 10-15cm for Toronto
[00:41] <BobJonkman> That's not so bad
[00:42] <aruna_> well so far it's clear n just a little dusting but by morning who knows
[00:43] <aruna_> Appreciate your coming all the way and dragging some friends too :-)
[00:44] <azend> We stick together :)
[00:46] <aruna_> am very glad u do :) and azend if there is work or projects I can get involved in with Bob do keep me in mind. Work has been few and far between...
[00:48] <azend> Thanks for offering
[00:49] <azend> Unless you would like to commute to Guelph every month or so though, I don't think there's much you can do to help :)
[00:49] <aruna_> Seriously can use some work :-)
[00:50] <aruna_> Well I can always relocate ? If it puts food on the table , covers the rent and pays ma bills :-)
[00:50] <azend> aruna_: I'm surprised you struggle so much
[00:50] <azend> Good IT people are always hard to find
[00:51] <aruna_> it's like this azend, am on disability but I do not much care to be on disability if I am able to work and contribute
[00:52] <aruna_> but no one has given me a break yet in IT, general labour fatory work though is plenty but am not doing that no more
[00:52] <aruna_> been dere, done dat, printed da T-shirts :-)
[00:53] <azend> I'm surprised you guys are having such a hard time
[00:53] <aruna_> it's the gospel truth friend
[00:53] <azend> You both seem to have experience
[00:54] <azend> Because we all know you can't get experience before you get experience ;)
[00:54] <aruna_> hell no bob is a guru, am well... I have my areas where I shine but bob is much more experienced
[00:54] <aruna_> ha haa so true
[01:09] <BobJonkman> Bad news: laurelrusswurm just cancelled.  So we'll be one short tomorrow
[01:11] <aruna_> oh damn ! why ?
[01:12] <aruna_> well I will send another email on the list and home some linux chix will show up
[01:13] <aruna_> gender balance woudl be nice, we are most times male dominated
[01:15] <aruna_> Michael Kaulbach said he will drop by and drag a couple of friends
[01:15] <aruna_> David Pelly is coming from Cambridge
[02:09] <BobJonkman> Hey, Ubuntu Hour Hosts: http://sobac.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=f610a6e287145f90f14182e019dde856
[02:29] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: nice.  i remember to horrible hand written signs i used to make/use ;)
[02:30] <zykotick9> BobJonkman: thanks again for the gnusocial group - it's grown, a little to 7 i believe.
[02:37] <aruna_> laurelrusswurm: hi, thank uuu so much for the Ubuntu Hour Toronto stand-up and am sad you are unable to make it this time, will look forward to next time :-)
[02:54] <azend> Anyone available to proofreed my terrible writing? http://dl.azend.org/SQ1_FinalQA.pdf
[07:27] <azend> Hey BobJonkman thanks for offering the ride
[07:28] <azend> If I'm up tomorrow I will get in contact with you
[07:28] <azend> otherwise have a great time in T.DOT with aruna :)
[07:30] <BobJonkman> azend: OK, call between 10:00am and noon; +1-519-669-0388. Call +1-519-635-9413 after noon. If I haven't heard from you by 12:20pm or so I'll zoom right through Guelph (might make a left turn at Planet Bean, tho)
[07:31] <azend> Sounds good
[07:31] <azend> Need to get your fix?
[07:57] <BobJonkman> Beans!
[07:57] <BobJonkman> Off to bed.  This morning's beans have just about worn off.
[16:52] <azend> hey BobJonkman1
[20:34] <genii> Here at the mall but don't see anyone
[20:35] <genii> BobJonkman, azend ... If you guys are around, I'm sitting near Pizza-Pizza/Subway/New York Fries
[20:36] <genii> The wifi was crap so have my N4 tethered
[20:38] <BobJonkman> Wave or something
[21:04] <azend> BobJonkman:
[21:13] <BobJonkman> Hi aruna
[21:13] <BobJonkman2> Hi again, aruna
[21:14] <BobJonkman2> Hi aruna_
[21:14] <aruna_> Hi Bob, thank you and Azend for coming all the way from Kitchner and Michael too
[21:14] <BobJonkman2> So, we're all here at Ubuntu Hour Toronto. I'll have a picture soon
[22:01] <BobJonkman2> Here's the pics: http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/482290/detailed


[02:08] <n-iCe> hi
[02:12] <Mead> hello
[02:14] <n-iCe>  how you doing
[02:15] <Mead> I'm doing great, just quaffed some whiskey
[02:16] <n-iCe> nice
 Welcome to the qlub, @franksmcb!
 Thanks.  Funny the spots I find you in 😁
[04:54] <stvnstck> hello hello
[04:55] <stvnstck> quick question. how do you completely reset the panel?
[07:38] <cdoublejj> stvnstck which panel
[17:46] <skm_ibmr50e> Yo. You messed up in Lubuntu 18.10. When I press Super key, it allows me to search for programs and options, right? But when I press Alt the menu disappears, and I have to press Alt to use diacritical marks to search for stuff which has them; eg. when I type 'kol' it won't find records like 'kól' and i can't input 'kól' because Alt makes Super menu hide. Fix it!!
[17:52] <wxl> you can easily fix it
[17:52] <wxl> just go into shortcuts and remove the definition for the super key
[17:52] <wxl> or re-assign it
[17:53] <wxl> or are you saying the issue is that no matter what the alt key messes with the search?
[17:54] <skm_ibmr50e> I switched 'show/hide menu' shortcut to ctrl+escape and now neither work
[17:55] <skm_ibmr50e> yeah, @wxl, when I press Control or Alt during search the menu just hides and recent window is activated
[17:55] <skm_ibmr50e> shortcut reassigning didn't work
[17:56] <skm_ibmr50e> sound like lxqt issue so I guess I should hit them up, not you
[17:56] <wxl> yep
[17:56] <wxl> it's there in 19.04, too
[17:57] <wxl> i don't see any issues upstream on the subject
[17:57] <skm_ibmr50e> what's their github so I can issue it?
[17:58] <wxl> this is likely a lxqt-panel issue https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-panel/issues
[17:58] <skm_ibmr50e> yeah, lxqt-panel and menu widget
[17:58] <skm_ibmr50e> thanks wxl imma describe it for them
[17:59] <wxl> skm_ibmr50e: could you drop me a line when you get that filed?
[17:59] <skm_ibmr50e> yea sure
[20:58] <muzz> hi all


[09:17] <pan1nx> persia, what is the Architecture target for the ARM drop? ARM what? ARM 9? What toolchain is used to build those packages?
[09:20] <persia> pan1nx, I'm not sure what you mean by "ARM drop".  I know Jaunty worked on ARMv5t+.  I hear that the requirements will be higher for karmic, but haven't examined the gcc and glibc changes in detail.
[09:20] <persia> The toolchain is just the standard Ubuntu toolchain.  apt-get source is your friend.
[09:21] <persia> (plus #ubuntu-arm is probably a better place to ask, and may be more likely to have people who know the real details).
[09:26] <pan1nx> thanks persia...
[09:34] <amitk> pan1nx: karmic will probably be ARMv6+VFP+NEON
[09:35] <pan1nx> thanks amitk
[09:36] <pan1nx> amitk is there a place where I can read a statement about this?
[09:36] <amitk> pan1nx: you should probably look at the blueprints and spec for UDS Karmic.
[09:40] <pan1nx> maybe lool knows more :D
[09:40] <pan1nx> but he is away....
[09:58] <lamalex> Any of the netbook launcher people around?
[09:58] <lamalex> if I mess with the launcher on my laptop, it seems to be ok with compositing, but on a netbook it freaks out
[09:58] <lamalex> any idea why?
[10:03] <persia> lamalex, Which video card does the device with issues have?
[10:04] <lamalex> persia: intel 945gme
[10:06] <persia> Ah, then I'm not sure.  Some people have the psb chipset, which ends up having some issues sometimes.
[10:07] <lamalex> yah
[10:07] <lamalex> it /should/ work though?
[10:09] <lamalex> another question- a while ago the netbook launcher would show up in the alt-tab pager
[10:09] <lamalex> this was removed, any idea how to get it back?
[10:43] <persia> Yes, it *should* work.
[10:44] <persia> (and no, I have no idea how to make the launcher appear/not appear in the application-switcher)
[10:44] <persia> Well, stab-in-the-dark: there might be some gconf key.
[11:52] <lamalex> njpatel:ping
[11:53] <njpatel> lamalex: pong
[11:54] <lamalex> njpatel: do you know where i can find the metacity patch to show the unr launcher in the alt-tab menu?
[11:55] <njpatel> lamalex: sure, one sec
[12:00] <njpatel> lamalex: http://pastebin.com/m6d9be3a5
[12:00] <lamalex> youre the man
[12:00] <lamalex> so this has been removed from UNR now?
[12:01] <njpatel> lamalex: some patches couldn't make it into distro without a bunch of work (this one needs a gconf key etc so it's optional), I just ran out of time
[12:02] <lamalex> right on
[12:02] <lamalex> thanks for the help :)
[12:02] <njpatel> lamalex: I did make a metacity package for jaunty in the netbook-remix-team PPA, which I just realised doesn't have this patch, so I'm sending up a new package now which includes this (and it already includes a patch that fixes the annoying 23px missing at the bottom of some maximised windows)
[12:02] <njpatel> np, thanks for reminding me about it :)
[12:03] <lamalex> oh, nice
[12:03] <lamalex> you just saved me some work
[12:04] <njpatel> cool, new package should hit the PPA in a bit
[12:05] <lamalex> thanks dude, you're the man
[12:27] <lamalex> njpatel: what did you name the package? metacity?
[12:27] <njpatel> lamalex: metacity - 1:2.25.144-0ubuntu2-0jaunty2 (https://edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/+archive/ppa)
[12:28] <njpatel> it's still buildng/publishing I think
[12:28] <lamalex> ah, wrong team ppa
[12:28] <lamalex> i rule
[12:28] <njpatel> heh :)
[12:35] <lamalex> njpatel: so i installed your package, but i dont see the gconf key
[12:35] <njpatel> lamalex: there isn't one...that's why it isn't in the main package
[12:36] <lamalex> ah
[12:36] <njpatel> lamalex: at the moment it's hardcoded to do that, which sucks, but it's a time thing
[12:36] <lamalex> then i dont see the alt-tab option
[12:36] <lamalex> no
[12:36] <lamalex> im just stupid
[12:36] <lamalex> :)
[12:36] <njpatel> :)
[15:38] <lool> amitk: Concerning toolchain, I'm not sure we'll turn on NEON in the compiler; it's currently worthless and I don't expect it will have an high impact soon, but it does exclude some platforms as NEON is optional (AIUI)
[15:38] <lool> amitk: But otherwise you were correct: v6 + vfp
[15:38] <lool> as soon as we have buildd
[15:39] <amitk> lool: what do you mean by "but it does exclude some platforms as NEON is optional"?
[15:40] <lool> amitk: I think you can implement a cortex a8 platform with vfp but without neon
[15:41] <amitk> lool: aah, I understand now.
[15:41] <lool> It's not what we typically target though
[17:02] <rzr__> yet an other distro (maemo+ubuntu) for FreeRunner -  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer


[12:11] <Brainstorm> Updates for Bangladesh: +663 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 27647), +22321 tests (now 9.9 million) since 22 hours ago
[18:41] <Brainstorm> 🌒 भूकंप? ငလျင်? Землятрус? Earthquake? M5+ estimated tremor, with 16 reports, possibly occurred 13 minutes ago (18:28:03 UTC), with a crescent moon, Myanmar-India Border Region (23.1, 93.78) ± 176 km, ↓62 km likely felt 400 km away (www.seismicportal.eu)
[18:42] <Brainstorm> 🌒 ငလျင်! Earthquake! 5.5 Mb tremor, registered by EMSC, with 16 reports, occurred 14 minutes ago (18:28:03 UTC), with a crescent moon, Myanmar (22.95, 94.26) ± 142 km likely felt 430 km away (Twitter)


[12:24] <kwwii> done
[12:24] <kwwii> now is time for bed
[12:24] <kwwii> funeral tomorrow
[12:24] <kwwii> no fun
[12:25] <mhb> kwwii: goodnight
[12:25] <mhb> kwwii: se you after tomorrow
[12:25] <mhb> see
[12:25] <mhb> and thanks for all the wiki work
[12:29] <kwwii> see you soon
[02:45] <viper550> Hello
[02:50] <imbrandon> aftrernoon viper550
[02:50] <viper550> It's evening, but you must be in a different time zone! :)
[02:50] <imbrandon> newz2000, ping
[02:50] <viper550> Wanna see my great working mockup of Kubuntu Edgy's new theme?
[02:50] <viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[02:50] <imbrandon> just seen it ( ML )
[02:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:50] <viper550> like it?
[02:52] <imbrandon> yea little dark but i like, i personaly amd looking for more like who's blue bubbles color shifted to purpleish and kwwii logo just above the black splash
[02:53] <viper550> But I hated the Purple Kubuntu look, remember Flight 5?
[02:54] <viper550> Wait, what build had the Purple theme originally?
[02:54] <imbrandon> kde4 and edgy are moving twords purple, and yes i rember it
[02:54] <viper550> That looked ugly with the elements they used
[02:55] <imbrandon> yea its all in the way its done
[02:55] <imbrandon> and the shades
[02:55] <viper550> Yeah, make it look correct, and make sure it looks good with the artwork you have, and it will be excellent!
[02:56] <viper550> I am working on a redux of my mockup that is a bit more purpler
[03:21] <Viper550> I did do some changes just right now to my design that I think will fare alot better
[03:26] <klepas_Zzz> moinmoin
[03:26] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas
[03:29] <Viper550> It's gone over well on the Kubuntu IRC
[03:30] <klepas> nice kde desktop
[03:30] <Viper550> Thanks
[03:31] <Viper550> But this is my proposition for the Default on 6.10, I don't want a repeat of what Dapper could had been like...
[03:32] <klepas> i don't like the KDM themes though
[03:32] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kubuntu_deeppurple.png - and many kde lovers will find this too much resembling gnome
[03:33] <Viper550> Gnome has 2 panels
[03:33] <Viper550> The layout is supposed to be a parody of my current Gnome desktop layout, a SUSE Enterprise Desktop 10-esque layout
[03:34] <klepas> sorry, guess i should be more specifici
[03:34] <klepas> i mean the scroll bars and window decsc
[03:36] <Viper550> It does look alot like Ubuntulooks, but this came out BEFORE Ubuntulooks existed!
[03:38] <Viper550> "Polyester for GTK" is actually what I thought when I first saw Ubuntulooks
[05:43] <troy_s> who lives?
[05:45] <Madpilot> aside from you?
[05:46] <troy_s> greetings mad
[05:46] <troy_s> how you doing?
[05:48] <Madpilot> good
[04:28] <Viper550> I've got a pretty neat idea for Kubuntu
[05:18] <troy_s> I have a great idea for Tropic!
[08:43] <Who_> hi all
[09:49] <troy_s> who_
[09:49] <troy_s> grr.


[02:46] <diddledan> hum te tum
[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[15:03] <ujjain> does anybody here play ladbrokes casino?
[15:13] <popey> if anyone does mapps does ☻
[15:14] <ujjain> hehe ok, I just used their cashback + bonus thing, Iḿ sure iĺl get the cashback, but their 100% bonus sucks, you have to spend so much
[15:15] <daftykins> it's all a mugs game.
[15:15] <ujjain> yeah
[15:18] <ujjain> at least with william hill I made a 60 pound profit and could withdraw
[15:19] <ujjain> was lucky, and hopefully the 36,75 cashback http://www.topcashback.co.uk/william-hill-vegas/
[15:19] <daftykins> i prefer not gambling at all ;D
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[15:20] <ujjain> yeah, it´s addictive, I´m up 100 pounds at ladbrokes
[15:20] <ujjain> I wanted to cash out at 40 pounds up, but soeems I have to set up auto spin until 2k has been invested
[15:20] <ujjain> and hope there is still some money left
[15:43] <ujjain> ok, it´s gone.
[15:45] <ujjain> at least I should make a profit on the cashback, but wow, stpuid you cannot withdraw rules
[16:05] <shauno> I understood some of those words :/
[18:39] <dogmatic69> is it possible to set up an ssh config to a server with two ip's?
[18:39] <dogmatic69> eg: ssh will try one and then the next
[18:40]  * penguin42 isn't aware of a way of doing it with an ssh config; if you have a DNS entry with both IPs I think that should work


[04:26] <mup> Bug #1916816 changed: File picker and other native windows have garbled fonts in Arch & Manjaro <fonts> <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1916816>
[04:26] <mup> Bug #1935054 changed: Unable to connect to Core20 server from outside my VLAN <Snappy:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1935054>
[06:01] <mborzecki> morning
[06:07] <mardy> 'morning mborzecki
[06:08] <mborzecki> mardy: heya
[07:01] <pstolowski> morning
[07:03] <zyga-mbp> good morning :)
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#10905 closed: gadget, osutil/disks: fix some bugs from prior PR's <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10905>
[08:35] <mup> PR snapd#10916 closed: osutil/disks: fix bug in BlkIDEncodeLabel, add BlkIDDecodeLabel <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10916>
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#10876 closed:  o/devicestate, o/servicestate: update gadget assets and cmdline when remodeling <Remodel 🚋> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10876>
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#10925 closed: tests/nested/manual/refresh-revert-fundamentals: re-enable encryption  <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10925>
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#10941 opened: tests: simplify mock script for apparmor_parser <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10941>
[09:21] <mup> PR snapd#10942 opened: cmd/snap-confine: die when snap process is outside of snap specific cgroup (2.53) <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10942>
[09:31] <mup> PR snapd#10943 opened: o/snapstate: tweak error, add unit tests for remodel helpers <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10943>
[10:13] <dust> neither eclipse nor tiled does work in ubuntu 21.10
[10:17] <pstolowski> dust: if this is about snaps for those apps, then best to raise this on the forum
[10:33] <dust> pstolowski, ofc its about the snap of this programs... otherwise i wouldnt write it here... no account there so i posted here...
[11:21] <ogra> dust, well, the maintainers of these snaps are most likely not in this channel ... but there are chances they read the forum (or others that read the forum are able to help because they had similare issues before)
[11:23] <mborzecki> hmmm so we seem to be doing something wrong in our tests
[11:24] <mborzecki> sometimes we have a pattern when we have a list of test cases and run a test for this, usually a for{} loop, but we often set up some mocks and call defer restore()
[11:24] <mborzecki> so those restores won't run until the function exists
[11:27] <pstolowski> mborzecki: oh that's wrong. i might have done such mistake in my early days of Go programming ;/
[11:27] <mborzecki> i'm trying to untangle such code in our secboot wrapper tests
[11:29] <pstolowski> mborzecki: sometimes it's hard to do right and best option is to have a test function that takes the parameters, and make separate instances of all tests cases
[11:46] <mup> PR snapd#10941 closed: tests: simplify mock script for apparmor_parser <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10941>
[11:46] <mup> PR snapd#10944 opened: [RFC] o/snapstate: maintain a stack of enforced validation sets per snap revision <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10944>
[12:06] <mardy> I need some help in understanding what happened here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r7nyM4krH4/
[12:06] <mardy> the context is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10935
[12:06] <mup> PR #10935: tests: wait for snapd to be fully setup before installing snaps <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10935>
[12:07] <mardy> I don't understand why /dev/loop8 timed out; who should create the systemd unit for it? How to investigate why it timed out?
[12:07] <mborzecki> mardy: i think systemd creates it these days, before it was done by mount
[12:09] <mborzecki> mardy: anyways, iirc the protocol was that you first create a loopback device, and then race against other requests associate it with a file descriptor of an open file
[12:10] <mborzecki> i think we should cherry-pick fixes for snapd-sigterm to 2.53, i the test failing on some systems in my PR
[12:10] <mardy> mborzecki: do you know how snapd does it? I see that the tests are using losetup, but I don't see it used in snapd source code
[12:10] <mborzecki> mardy: snapd does what?
[12:11] <mardy> mborzecki: allocate a loop device
[12:11] <mborzecki> mardy: we just ask ssytemd to start the mount unit, and it figures it out that a loop device is needed, associates the file and so on
[12:11] <mardy> oh, I didn't know that systemd did this magic
[12:12] <mborzecki> mardy: or `mount` (the command)
[12:13] <mardy> systemd timed out after 30 seconds, trying to allocate the loop device. Which doesn't sound very reasonable, given that it should be rather immediate
[12:13] <mborzecki> mardy: there's one occasion where we call mount directly, and it's in sanity/squashfs.go to check whether the host supports mounting squashfs at all
[12:15] <pstolowski> miguelpires: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1939218 the bug you mentioned you looked at the other day?
[12:15] <mup> Bug #1939218: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[12:16] <mardy> mborzecki: thanks, but at a first sight it doesn't look like this code path is relevant. So it must be systemd...
[12:18] <miguelpires> pstolowski: no, it was https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1946996
[12:18] <mup> Bug #1946996: snapd: slice bounds out of range <snapd:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946996>
[12:20] <mardy> mborzecki: looking at the logs in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r7nyM4krH4/, do you understand why the test-snapd-svc-flip-flop mount unit was umounted right when starting the snap's service (line 50 of the log)?
[12:21] <miguelpires> But looking at that one, they're definitely about the same issue. That one has some new info, I'll try to reproduce it. Thanks!
[12:21] <pstolowski> miguelpires: snapstate.undoLinkSnap in both bug reports, and microk8s
[12:26] <mborzecki> mardy: maybe it's the test, it intercepts systemctl command
[12:26] <mborzecki> bind mounts a mock on top
[12:27] <mardy> mborzecki: no, the failure happens before that change, it happens when installing the snap, on the "snap install --dangerous app.snap" line
[12:27] <mardy> mborzecki: I do not see the umount happening when the snap installs successfully
[12:30] <pstolowski> miguelpires: i marked one of them as duplicate of the other. i can poke around at this as well for a bit
[12:42] <mup> Bug #1939218 changed: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[12:44] <pstolowski> miguelpires: i cannot reproduce that issue with snapd 2.51.3 and this microk8s snap... maybe it depends on what configure hook has to do on install
[12:44] <pstolowski> this looks interesting: taskrunner.go:271: [change 899 "Run configure hook of \"microk8s\" snap if present" task] failed: run hook "configure": signal: segmentation fault
[12:44] <pstolowski> maybe it contributes to the problem. but it installs fine for me
[12:45] <mup> Bug #1939218 opened: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[12:48] <mup> Bug #1939218 changed: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <snapd:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[12:56] <miguelpires> pstolowski:  also can't reproduce it. Did you just run download and install? Did you have the microk8s snap installed previously?
[12:57] <pstolowski> miguelpires: yes I downloaded/installed as in the bug description. I might have had microk8s before
[12:57] <pstolowski> miguelpires: or no, actually not, i'm using a fresh VM
[12:57] <pstolowski> so no k8s before
[13:04] <miguelpires> Hm, I ran the download and install with microk8s already installed to see if it'd confuse it. It fails in the configure, undoes everything, but doesn't panic
[13:44] <ack> hi, does this message point to an issue or is it just informational: "WARNING: cgroup v2 is not fully supported yet, proceeding with partial confinement" ?
[14:12] <mardy> ack: just informational; though I think that in the newest releases of snapd this warning was removed, since cgroup v2 is now fully supported (please mborzecki correct me if I'm wrong)
[14:13] <mborzecki> yes, it's gone in 2.53
[14:21] <ack> ah, cool, thanks
[14:47] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: hey so I was thinking about the issue in #10935, I notice it only seems to happen on core18, and I also notice that it started failing recently, and I finally noticed that there is a new core18 available in edge, maybe it's worth trying to run that spread test with the core18 version from stable instead of edge and see if it keeps failing?
[14:47] <mup> Bug #10935: backuppc: new changes from Debian require merging <backuppc (Ubuntu):Fix Released by lamont> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10935>
[14:47] <mup> PR #10935: tests: wait for snapd to be fully setup before installing snaps <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10935>
[14:47] <ijohnson[m]> maybe this is a systemd bug
[15:16] <flotter> flotter@flotter-pc:~/snapd/packaging$ grep -r python3-docutils
[15:16] <flotter> debian-sid/control:               python3-docutils,
[15:16] <flotter> ubuntu-16.04/control:               python3-docutils,
[15:16] <flotter> opensuse/snapd.spec:BuildRequires:  python3-docutils
[15:16] <flotter> ubuntu-14.04/control:               python3-docutils,
[15:17] <flotter> Hi, it looks like my run-checks has a dependency on python3-yamlordereddictloader
[15:18] <flotter> I would like to fix the problem. Adding it to the debian packages feels easy. I am not 100% sure about fedora / opensuse. Are they still maintained?
[15:32] <mup> PR snapd#10945 opened: osutil/disks/labels: simplify decoding algorithm <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10945>
[15:40] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: ^ unfortunately it's not as simple as I thought, because regexp.ReplaceAllStringFunc() does not pass index information.
[15:47] <ijohnson[m]> mardy: ah thanks I'll take a look, did you see my ping above about systemd though ?
[15:48] <ijohnson[m]> flotter: iirc that python package is only needed to check the yaml files are laid out in the expected way, I thought that cachio (who seems to be offline at the moment) had fixed all that up, are you saying there's an issue in the packaging?
[15:52] <mup> PR snapd#10544 closed: cmd/snap: support --ignore-validation with snap install client command <Needs Samuele review> <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10544>
[15:52] <mup> PR snapd#10934 closed: tests/snapd-sigterm: be more robust against service restart <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10934>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#10883 closed: o/snapstate, hookstate: print remaining hold time on snapctl --hold <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <cherry-picked> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10883>
[15:58] <mup> PR snapd#10912 closed: tests: not testing lxd snap anymore on i386 architecture <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10912>
[16:08] <mup> PR snapd#10946 opened: secboot: use latest secboot with tpm legacy platform and v2 fully optional <UC20> <Run nested> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10946>
[16:44] <ijohnson[m]> ijohnson-test: test
[16:44] <ijohnson-test> ijohnson[m] echo
[16:44] <ijohnson[m]> hmm seems to work fine
[16:48] <mup> PR snapd#10947 opened: tests: run spread tests on debian 11 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10947>
[17:28] <mup> PR snapd#10948 opened: tests: skip interfaces-timeserver-control on debian-sid <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10948>
[17:54] <mardy> ijohnson[m]: oh, no, I didn't see it. I'll give it a try tomorrow.
[20:23] <ijohnson[m]> hey mwhudson or dbungert what was that lp bug for the live server installer when trying to do snap things would hang because snapd didn't shut itself down when subiquity kept too many connections open to it?
[20:24] <ijohnson[m]> ah it was https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1946656
[20:24] <mup> Bug #1946656: [daily impish-live-server] snap stuck in the installer system <fr-1794> <snapd:In Progress by mardy> <subiquity:Fix Committed> <Ubuntu CD Images:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946656>
[20:24] <ijohnson[m]> nvm me
[20:25] <dbungert> :)
[20:25]  * mwhudson avoids minding
[20:25] <mwhudson> i would still like to know what state the sockets were in when all that was going on


 SMLR E122 Video: http://youtu.be/zYzs7bARFTs - Audio: http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming (4/5/2014 7:30A EDT)
[11:34] <tony-smlr> We will be chatting in #smlr
[13:26] <cmaloney> good morning
[15:17] <rick_h_> morn
[15:37] <cmaloney> Are we having fun yet?
[15:37] <cmaloney> Also: Happy Tabletop Gaming day.
[15:38] <rick_h_> heh, tired
[15:38] <rick_h_> got up early to get hte camper out of storage
[15:38] <rick_h_> and bookie went down
[15:38] <rick_h_> I need to get the servers redone at pycon bad, with monitoring
[15:38] <cmaloney> LMK what you need help with
[15:39] <rick_h_> yea, we'll chat. I want to get things up on larger instances, I get a landscape account from work I want to use on the server
[15:39] <rick_h_> so that'll be fun
[15:39] <cmaloney> Haven't used Landscape, but that should be interesting to check out
[15:39] <rick_h_> and get the deployments cleaned up, probably won't get to a full juju/charm'd setup, and need the CI setup again.
[15:39] <rick_h_> yea, kind of the goals of pycon I think
[15:40] <rick_h_> get ready to scale the next 100k bookmarks
[15:40] <cmaloney> Did we hit 100K?
[15:40] <rick_h_> oh yea, over 104k right now
[15:40] <rick_h_> https://bmark.us/dashboard
[15:40] <cmaloney> Woah
[15:40] <rick_h_>  coming up on 100k unique urls
[15:41] <rick_h_> and heading jumped over 350 users with bookmarks
[15:41] <cmaloney> That' pending activations number is way too high. :)
[15:41] <rick_h_> yea, well that's spam accounts from the start of bookie
[15:42] <rick_h_> sam has a branch to clean those out that I've not landed/run yet
[15:42] <rick_h_> so we'll start to actually expire signups that done complete signups within 30 days
[15:42] <cmaloney> I'd say 7 days
[15:42] <rick_h_> well technically it expires in 3
[15:42] <rick_h_> but the gardening to remove is set to 30
[15:42] <cmaloney> if you haven't figured it out in 7 days then you're not coming back
[15:42] <rick_h_> can move it around
[15:42] <cmaloney> Ah, OK
[15:43] <rick_h_> the code to deal with expired activations doens't exist yet though. Can look at sending a second email or something maybe if it expires. not sure
[15:43] <rick_h_> had some idea for the concept at the time, but don't recall what it was now years later lol
[15:49] <cmaloney> Could do a 72 hours reminder activation should the mail not bounce
[15:49] <rick_h_> yea
[15:49] <cmaloney> or 24 hours
[15:49] <rick_h_> yea, leave the features work to the students and try to get the infrastructer some love
[16:06] <jrwren> jamming!
[16:06] <jrwren> battery about to die :)
[16:07] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[16:07] <rick_h_> backup battery time
[16:07] <cmaloney> Heh
[16:08] <cmaloney> jrwren: What are you jamming on?
[16:08]  * rick_h_ is reminded to pack up his second thinkpad battery for pycon
[16:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, I need to pack my charger.
[16:08] <cmaloney> and an extension cord. :)
[16:50] <waf> i just discovered postgreSQL's geometric functions http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/functions-geometry.html
[16:50] <waf> this is insane. no idea they existed
[16:52] <jrwren> i'm not really amming :(
[17:38] <jrwren> waf
[17:38] <jrwren> waf: i learned the windowing functions this week.
[17:38] <jrwren> REALLY SWEET
[17:38] <jrwren> postgresql really is the greated B ever made.
[17:38] <jrwren> greatest DB ever made.
[17:38] <jrwren> stupid lag.
[17:39] <jrwren> bad home wifi, zomg, it was because microwave was on?
[17:40] <waf> jrwren: awesome. i have experience with the SQL Server windowing function, but not postgres.
[17:40] <waf> whenever there's a tricky query i'm trying to figure out, it seems like windowing functions are almost always the answer.
[17:40] <jrwren> awesome.
[17:40] <jrwren> sql server is pretty darn great.
[17:40] <jrwren> but postgresql is just awesome.
[17:41] <jrwren> arrays, and ranges
[17:41] <jrwren> and you can do arrays of ranges.
[17:42] <waf> yeah, i think i've only scratched the surface of postgres. but the surface is all you really need for 95% of applications
[17:42] <waf> still super-exciting though
[18:12] <Havenstance> afternoon
[18:30] <cmaloney> howdy
[18:31] <cmaloney> anyone jamming?
[19:20] <Havenstance> cmaloney, define jamming?
[19:22] <waf> it's an ancient michigan ritual of throwing strawberry jam at each other.
[19:22] <waf> or maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[19:23] <jrwren> mmm... cherry jam
[19:23] <jrwren> mmm... blueberry jam
[19:23] <jrwren> mmm... peach jam
[19:23] <jrwren> mmm... someother michigan fruit jam
[19:51] <Havenstance> mmmm michigan blueberry jam
[20:02] <rick_h_> rasberry ftw
[20:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: time to convince jsivak to go py 3.4 https://docs.python.org/3/library/statistics.html#averages-and-measures-of-central-location
[20:21] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Heh
[21:57] <cmaloney> Evening
[21:58] <cmaloney> well, almost
[22:20] <Havenstance> howdy
[23:31] <cmaloney> Yay tax season
[23:31] <cmaloney> (Yes, I'm still filling out my taxes)
[23:49] <cmaloney> I love answers that JoDee gets for her student papers
[23:50] <cmaloney> I swear if you put something on there like "please copy this sentence to the paper verbatim" they'd mess it up and demand partial credit for the parts they got right.


[01:38] <Maple__> I didn't even know this existed >.>
[01:38] <Maple__> ohai
[01:39] <jthan> Hey!
[01:39] <Maple__> Hai! :o
[01:40]  * Maple__ recognizes a few names in the nicklist
[06:16] <InHisName> Checked for friends of Maple__, but could not find:  Oak_ Cherry_ HorseChestnut_ Elm_ BoxElder_    Sorry could not find any this morn.
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[09:50] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:52] <rmg51> o/
[10:52] <InHisName> morn
[11:11] <Maple__> Eh?
[11:11] <Maple__> Lawl.
[12:06] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:15] <cyberanger> morning
[12:56] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: you forgot to greet trees ( Maple__ )
[12:56] <Maple__> think of the trees!
[12:57] <teddy-dbear> I don't speak "tree"
[12:58] <teddy-dbear> but I have been known to leave my "mark" on trees :-D
[13:01] <InHisName> Like " teddy-dbear + Miss Bear "  in a heart ?    or  r u lazy and just leave claw marks and not even a chocolate behind ?
[13:01] <teddy-dbear> and where do bears (and sometimes teddy bears) go potty?
[13:02] <InHisName> in da woods !
[13:04] <InHisName> Gee, Maple__ is all this discussion of tree defacement degrading to you ?
[13:05] <InHisName> welcome back scottrigby from being away
[13:05] <Maple__> D:
[13:07] <scottrigby> helloooooo
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> o/
[13:09] <JonathanD> Hi scottrigby
[13:10] <scottrigby> hey JonathanD
[13:10] <scottrigby> :)
[13:10] <scottrigby> parker started singing some version of Hallelujah… i have no idea where she heard it. So I brought her the source - we're watching Leonard Cohen sing it on YouTube
[13:22] <JonathanD> scottrigby: like the shrek (I know it's from elsewhere but...) one?
[13:23] <scottrigby> JonathanD: is that the one with the exploding bird?
[13:24] <scottrigby> actually i think that was a different song in the first shrek…
[13:24] <rmg51> same song different singers
[14:00] <Maple__> Hi, JonathanD \o
[14:03] <JonathanD> hi Maple__
[14:04] <Maple__> At home working on homework for September while watching MLP. ._.
[14:07] <waltman> MLP?
[14:08] <waltman> MLP:FiM?
[14:08] <Maple__> yes
[14:08] <Maple__> first-day hw is boring, gah :\
[14:19] <adom> what's MLP:FiM?
[14:21] <teddy-dbear> my little pony
[14:21] <waltman> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mlp%3Afim
[14:22] <teddy-dbear> friendship is magic
[14:23] <adom> waltman: what is this, ##linux?
[14:27] <waltman> Maple__: what kind of homework goes best with mlp?
[14:27] <InHisName> mlps ?
[14:30] <InHisName> dyslexic me,,,,   MPLS [ Multi-Protocol Label Switching ]
[15:50] <adom> My Little Pony vs. Multi-Protocol Label Switching. Very similar things to confuse.