[00:17] <adam_g> RoAkSoAx: if those cobbler changes get uploaded, a quick fix in orchestra-import-isos should keep the cache updated over time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/707071/
[00:33] <ruben23> hi guys how do i loadbalance two apache web server only..? any idea guys please
[01:47] <twb> I'm in the market for a build bot.  Any opinions/suggestions?  My rough functional requirements are http://paste.debian.net/136152/
[03:25] <socomm> Anyone got recommendation to any good tutorials covering mail server on Ubuntu-server?
[03:28] <twb> socomm: the ubuntu server guide
[03:52] <socomm> twb: thx I will start there
[04:25] <RoAkSoAx> adam_g: lol ok
[05:28] <crmccreary> Anybody free to help diagnose a dns problem?
[05:28] <twb> !anybody
[05:36] <crmccreary> OK. First time irc user. I have been using a server for DHCP and dynamic DNS with BIND for some time. I "demoted" the server to a dhcp client when I purchased a new server. The new server works great, al the clients are resolveable *except* the old dhcp server. I thought that I've scrubbed it clean but  when restarting networking, I keep getting "DHCPREQUEST for <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) from 00:06:4f:4f:59:2f via eth1"
[05:36] <crmccreary> where <IP_ADDRESS> was the old static ip of the old server and is now the new static ip of the new server. I've assigned <IP_ADDRESS> in dhcpd.conf:
[05:36] <crmccreary> host pe4400.crmeng.lan {
[05:36] <crmccreary>   hardware ethernet 00:06:4f:4f:59:2f;
[05:36] <crmccreary>   fixed-address <IP_ADDRESS>;
[05:36] <crmccreary>   default-lease-time 86400;
[05:36] <crmccreary>   max-lease-time 86400;
[05:36] <crmccreary> }
[05:37] <twb> So what's the problem
[05:37] <crmccreary> The old server's name pe4400  is not resolveable anywhere except on itself.
[05:39] <crmccreary> It gets the right ip address, but bind ignores it. I've added "send host-name "<hostname>";" to the old server's dhclient.conf to no avail
[05:46] <twb> You understand that host names provided by DHCP clients, don't necessarily propagate to the DNS server?
[05:52] <crmccreary> Yes, but the server is set up for dhcp/dns server with dynamic dns (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=730717 for an example set up). All of the dhcp clients are resolveable by their FQDN's *except* the old server. I'm not using caching, so where is the "memory" of the old server's MAC coming from?
[05:54] <twb> Is the old server acting as a DHCP client?  Is it an *ubuntu* (not debian) server?
[05:54] <crmccreary> Yes
[05:54] <twb> The format "<hostname>" is an ubuntu-specific patch
[05:54] <twb> crmccreary: OK, not sure then
[05:55] <twb> I use dnsmasq, not bind, so I'm not sure how to do much more diagnostics
[05:55] <crmccreary> Ubuntu - DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS"
[07:38] <josePhoenix> Hello all
[07:39] <josePhoenix> I just did 'service mysql stop' and 'service mysql start... start hung so I ctrl-Ced out of it
[07:39] <josePhoenix> Then I did 'service mysql start' and it worked
[07:39] <josePhoenix> but none of the php sites on this server can establish a db connection
[07:40] <josePhoenix> ... okay, weird.
[07:40] <josePhoenix> stopped and started the service again, now it works
[08:03] <spiekey> Hello!
[08:03] <spiekey> i need some ideas for a (Config)-File Deployment strategie for multiple ubuntu/linux server.
[08:04] <jamespage> morning all
[08:04] <spiekey> has anyone an idea or a nice project?
[08:05] <jamespage> spiekey: there are a few options - puppet or chef provide good configuration management toolsets for individual servers
[08:05] <jamespage> if you want todo something at a higher level with co-ordination across servers you might like to take a look a juju
[08:06] <RoyK> #873198
[08:06] <RoyK> bug #873198
[08:06] <RoyK> that's a rather annoying one
[08:13] <RoyK> how long does it take from a bug is filed till it becomes public?
[08:14] <jamespage> RoyK, not normally that long - was it specifically marked private?
[08:17] <RoyK> ah. dunno why it was
[08:18] <RoyK> bug #873198
[08:26] <soren> RoyK: It was marked private because it was marked security.
[08:27] <RoyK> ah
[08:27] <RoyK> it's security-related, but not a big hole, unless you consider running a 1YO kernel a major security issue - it might be...
[08:51] <soren> RoyK: Heck, running an up-to-date kernel is probably a major security issue.
[08:57] <ivoks> :(
[08:58] <ivoks> we should devote this release to Dennis Ritchie
[08:58] <soren> Yeah, I just heards about it, too :(
[09:07] <chris-> hey all
[09:09] <chris-> i have the following problem: i have installed another ubuntu server 10.04 LTS , i had a problem connecting via putty over ssh ( always said access denied ). then i set protocol to v2 only and it worked but after a while i get a network error message and putty disconnects, then i cant connect anymore no matter what protocl version i chose i always get a access denied error after auth
[09:13] <soren> chris-: If I had to guess (and I guess I do), you have another host with the same IP on the network.
[09:13] <soren> chris-: ..and the fact that changing to v2 fixed it is a coincidence.
[09:14] <soren> chris-: The disconnection is caused by the other host suddenly getting the network packets and sending back an RST (because it doesn't recognise the connection).
[09:14] <soren> chris-: ..and now you're back to not being able to auth because you're talking to a host different from the one you're expeting.
[09:14] <soren> expecting, even.
[09:15] <soren> I can't quite explain why you're not getting SSH host key errors, though.
[09:15] <soren> Are these machince built from an image?
[09:15] <soren> chris-: So they could potentially have the same SSH host key?
[09:17] <chris-> soren, no its a fresh install
[09:18] <chris-> soren, when i reboot the server i can connect to it again until i get disconnected for some reason ( maye after about 30mins )
[09:23] <chris-> soren, funny u seem to be right
[09:24] <chris-> i am installing the machine remote and have been given the ip configuration i should make by the admins
[09:24] <chris-> soren, seems like they made a mistake , i shut down the server and can still ping the ip adress, so theres probably another device here
[09:29] <chris-> soren, u were right just called the admin and he made a mistake - theres another device with this ip haha. funny i didnt think of this myself. thanks a lot mate ;)
[09:29]  * soren pats his crystal ball
[09:29] <soren> Comes in handy every so often.
[09:29] <soren> chris-: You're welcome.
[09:30] <soren> I still wonder about those ssh host keys, though.
[09:35] <chris-> hehehe :)
[10:04] <koolhead17> morning everybody!!
[10:43] <lynxman> koolhead17: morning
[10:45] <koolhead17> hello lynxman :)
[10:53] <Daviey> jamespage: around?
[10:53] <Daviey> jamespage: when you get this, how did bug 870244 go?
[10:54] <jamespage> Daviey: sure am
[10:54] <jamespage> hmm - not much progress
[10:54] <jamespage> lemme just see where I got to
[10:57] <Daviey> cool
[11:08] <jamespage> Daviey: sorry - dovecot fell of my list for some reason
[11:09] <jamespage> I hit an issue with restarting dovecot - just testing again now
[11:23] <jamespage> Daviey: see my comment on bug 870244 - ATM restarting or stop/starting is a bit unreliable
[11:31] <Daviey> jamespage: I think we need to add this to the release notes for Oneiric.. and fix it in P..
[11:31] <Daviey> not sure it's worth SRU'ing.. agree?
[11:38] <koolhead17> jamespage: hey. how did you associated set of floating IP to a project? Currently i been manully adding it in DB
[11:38] <koolhead17> in diablo
[12:21] <smoser> jamespage, ping
[12:33] <jamespage> blimey - I pop out for lunch and see what happens
[12:33] <jamespage> Daviey: agree on the SRU
[12:33] <jamespage> the fix is not reliable
[12:34] <jamespage> koolhead17: hrm - not sure - I setup a set of floating IP addresses as detailed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Oneiric/OpenStackTestPlan
[12:34] <jamespage> I then used euca-allocate-address and euca-associated-address to fix them to instances
[12:34] <jamespage> smoser: pong
[12:35] <smoser> how can i run a tiny little images test ? with ubuntu-server-ec2-testing
[12:35] <smoser> i made a merge proposal last night, but completley untested and i want to attempt to test
[12:35] <smoser> :)
[12:36] <jamespage> smoser: you should be able to run it from the command line
[12:36] <jamespage> from within the bzr branch
[12:36]  * jamespage refreshes his memory
[12:37] <smoser> jamespage, i see execute_all_ec2_tests.py, run_ubuntu_ec2_multi_test.py, execute_ubuntu_ec2_test.py, run_ubuntu_ec2_test.py
[12:37] <smoser> all of those looked like good candidates :)
[12:37] <jamespage> smoser: execute_ubuntu_ec2_test.py
[12:37] <jamespage> is the one
[12:38] <jamespage> --help has good advice
[12:39] <jamespage> smoser: you will need a branch of  lp:~ubuntu-server-ec2-testing-dev/+junk/ec2-automated-tests
[12:39] <smoser> yeah, and thats expected to be ~/tests by dfault ?
[12:39] <jamespage> and to setup a ~/.ec2.yaml file containing access credentials
[12:39] <jamespage> yes
[12:40] <smoser> ok. i'll run this test and then write a README or doc/ something on how to do it.
[12:40] <jamespage> just has to keys - AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID & AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY
[12:41] <jamespage> smoser: that would be great - there is the start of one in docs
[12:45] <jamespage> smoser: the test names are in lp:~ubuntu-server-ec2-testing-dev/+junk/ec2-automated-tests global/tests.yaml
[12:45] <jamespage> that file pulls together metadata about the test and the actual detail of the test
[12:46] <zul> morning
[12:47] <jamespage> morning zul
[12:47] <kainore> hey i got 3 servers i want to connect remotely from 1 public ip but they got 3 diffrend local ip's anyone know how i can set that up ?
[12:49] <zul> kainore: google nat
[12:49] <kainore> network access translater ?
[12:49] <kainore> address sorry mybad
[12:50] <kainore> but thanks
[12:50] <jamespage> kainore, how exactly do you want to access them? SSH?
[12:51] <kainore> server01.domain.dk server02.domain.dk server03.domain.dk they just all get to server01
[12:51] <Daviey> Does anyone have a fresh oneiric server install to hand?
[12:51] <kainore> and ssh need ofc to get around as well
[12:53] <zul> Daviey: i can fire up a kvm if that helps
[12:54] <Daviey> zul: nah, no worries.
[12:57] <jamespage> Daviey: I have quite a fresh one
[12:57] <jamespage> as in later yesterday
[12:58] <jamespage> Daviey: are you writing the release note for mail-stack-delivery?
[13:00] <Daviey> jamespage: I'm not sure it's worth noting is it?
[13:00] <Daviey> it was in Natty, and easy to work around.
[13:00] <Daviey> think we should include it?
[13:00] <jamespage> meh
[13:00] <jamespage> probably not - its a minor niggle
[13:01] <jamespage> I just noted it had a release notes task that was all
[13:01] <Daviey> If you think we should, sure.
[13:01] <Daviey> i think i added that task as a maybe.
[13:02] <jamespage> as its such a minor issue lets not add it - if we get lots of post release bugs (which we won't - as you state its like this in natty) then we can consider an SRU
[13:02] <jamespage> Daviey: ^^ - I'll pickup the bug to resolve early next cycle
[13:03] <jamespage> we also need to fix the racey restart issue
[13:03] <jamespage> but that prob requires some upstream co-op
[13:03] <Daviey> jamespage: rocking!
[13:03] <Daviey> jamespage: is the task assigned to you and targetted? :)
[13:04] <jamespage> Daviey: it is now :-)
[13:04] <Daviey> awesome!
[13:04] <jamespage> I marked the oneiric task won't fix as well
[13:04] <Daviey> sounds good.
[13:23] <zul> Daviey: im going to push out an SRU for nova
[13:24] <nijaba> hello.  Do you know where we should be pointing users that looks for instruction to deploy Ubuntu Cloud Infra ?
[13:25] <koolhead17> a
[13:25] <zul> the nova docs maybe?
[13:25] <nijaba> zul: which certainly exlain how to use orchetra and juju, I am sure!
[13:26] <lynxman> nijaba: hm, don't think there's complete docs yet :/
[13:26] <zul> nijaba: right i think RoAkSoAx was suppose to do orchestra and juju but hasnt finished yet
[13:34] <koolhead17> i wasted so many hours with role based access control :(
[13:36] <w00> ooh it's on!
[13:37] <koolhead17> lynxman: the secret is out :P
[13:37] <lynxman> koolhead17: yeah, preparing my blog post :)
[13:37]  * koolhead17 pokes Daviey
[13:38] <koolhead17> lynxman: i have many things to write on my blog if am allowed too, rather many failures i encountered with :P
[13:38] <koolhead17> daiblo/old auth :P
[13:48] <lynxman> koolhead17: I'd rather try to fix those for P ;)
[13:48] <zul> lynxman: its ok to say precise ;)
[13:49] <lynxman> zul: I so much preferred the name I proposed :)
[13:49] <zul> lynxman: i dont want to even know
[13:50] <lynxman> zul: you sure? :D
[13:50] <medberry> Precise is going to have more name collisions than Oneiric.
[13:50] <medberry> context collisions, etc.
[13:50] <medberry> lynxman, P?
[13:50] <lynxman> medberry: Precise Pangolin of course
[13:50] <zul> medberry: at least i dont have to go to dictionary.conf to figure out how to pronounce it ;)
[13:50] <medberry> lynxman, that's what you wanted?
[13:51] <medberry> s/wanted/proposed/
[13:51] <lynxman> medberry: nah, mine was a bit more accurate :o)
[13:51] <medberry> lynxman, nod.
[13:52] <smoser> jamespage, ping
[13:52] <smoser> so, ec2-automated-tests/global/tests.yaml has 'simple-user-data'
[13:54] <jamespage> smoser: yep
[13:54] <smoser> and i can probably change 'instance_type' there.
[13:54] <smoser> i want to run t1.micro, just for testing
[13:54] <koolhead17> jamespage: thanks. :d
[13:54] <smoser> buti dont know how it knows arch and such
[13:55] <koolhead17> the !@#$ is_admin table
[13:55] <smoser> oh, i see. i can pass that in.
[13:55] <smoser> never mind. i'm a dolt.
[13:56] <jamespage> yes - the framework will then pick the right instance size of the arch from archs.yaml
[13:56] <jamespage> in this case 'default'
[13:57]  * jamespage thinks he might have gone a bit over the top with yaml in this framework
[14:00] <koolhead17> why ubuntu.com shows laptop with bloody "Dell" on it :P
[14:00] <lynxman> koolhead17: you don't like Dell?
[14:00] <koolhead17> lynxman: nopes. the morons sell with MSFT in india.
[14:01] <koolhead17> Acer is the only company which gives me linux installed lappy
[14:01] <koolhead17> :P
[14:01] <koolhead17> and then i replace limpus to ubuntu :D
[14:03] <Martyn> koolhead17 : That might be because Dell and Canonical are partners
[14:04] <Martyn> and that Dell will ship machines with Ubuntu pre-installed
[14:04] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yo
[14:05] <koolhead17> Martyn: i doubt it happens in reality of at all. The showroom shows only 7 :D
[14:05] <Martyn> koolhead17 : #awholenewworld :)   It didn't count down to the release of Oneiric :)
[14:05] <Martyn> koolhead17 : Could be something else :)
[14:07] <koolhead17> Martyn: i give damm to an OEM like dell, who licks MSFT ass  :)
[14:08] <patdk-wk> heh
[14:08] <Martyn> Well, how do you _really_ feel P)
[14:08]  * patdk-wk is pretty much stuck to hp and supermicro
[14:09] <koolhead17> anyways am happy if canonical is making something from them in partnership !!! :D
[14:13] <wip> only 1 day before my hardy server get hacked again... i really need to do-release-upgrade but i fear very much
[14:13] <wip> why hardy doesn't offer PHP 5.3
[14:13] <matthew> hi
[14:13] <matthew> anyone here good with SendMail?
[14:14] <lynxman> matthew: I'm kind of good with it :)
[14:14] <matthew> ok….
[14:14] <matthew> I am using Rapidweaver, and I have a "ContactMe" web page….
[14:14] <matthew> I published my site, and on the contact page, it says mail is being sent, but … guess what… its a no go….
[14:15] <matthew> I don't know if its a sendmail configuration issue or PHP5 issue…
[14:15] <lynxman> matthew: I'd say that's not even remotely related to sendmail, you're several layers above :)
[14:15] <lynxman> matthew: start by checking logs, writing some php script to check, etc
[14:16] <matthew> sadf
[14:16] <w00> do-release-upgrade, y u error fatally :|
[14:18] <wip> w00, you don't recommand doing a do-release-upgrade from hardy LTS?
[14:19] <lynxman> wip: if you're running in production I'd wait for the next LTS
[14:19] <rbasak> zul: re bug 873243, the consensus here seemed to be that it doesn't make sense to add xen-hypervisor-4.1-{amd64,i386} since that won't assure that the system is booted into dom0
[14:19] <w00> ^
[14:19] <rbasak> zul: I don't suppose it matters that much though
[14:19] <wip> lynxman, i cannot wait my server is running PHP 5.2 (hardy version) and this version is easily hacked
[14:19] <lynxman> wip: oops :/
[14:20] <lynxman> wip: maybe getting a backport?
[14:20] <zul> rbasak: well ideally we would have an xen-meta package that does everything for you and just depend on that
[14:20] <wip> i have 2 options: upgrade PHP to PHP 5.3 or do-release-upgrade
[14:20] <wip> lynxman, can you explain how to get a backport? is it possible to upgrade PHP5.3 from hardy?
[14:20] <w00> Where can i report the release-upgrade err?
[14:21] <lynxman> wip: I'd jump from hardy to lucid for starters, you want to be in the latest LTS
[14:21] <rbasak> zul: the argument (not mine but it makes sense to me) was that Depends: cannot describe a dependency on what is booted so it's the wrong place to define it and the sysadmin should know to do it himself (with an added helpful message if he tries to start a domU without being dom0)
[14:21] <wip> lynxman, i fear the worst, never been lucky with do-release-upgrade...
[14:22] <lynxman> wip: well, be ready, do a backup beforehand, usual precautions :)
[14:22] <yakster> ok, I was matthew… had issue with username….
[14:22] <yakster> ok
[14:22] <zul> rbasak: yeah
[14:22] <yakster> so sendmail…
[14:22] <yakster> I don't see any errors…. really I dont
[14:22] <rbasak> zul: so Daviey asked me to request an SRU but you seem to have beaten me to it :)
[14:23] <zul> rbasak: heh
[14:24] <yakster> this is the only thing that says fail… version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL
[14:24] <wip> anyone did HARDY to new LTS (lucid)?
[14:24] <wip> (do-release-upgrade)
[14:24] <lynxman> wip: I've done it in the past, it works :)
[14:24] <Pici> wip: Yes, whats the issue?
[14:24] <wip> with apache and php mysql ftp pgsql dovecot
[14:24] <lynxman> wip: and more stuff even
[14:24] <lynxman> wip: do a backup and go for it ;)
[14:25] <wip> like i said i never been lucky when doing a do-release-upgrade
[14:25] <wip> lynxman, what is the "good" way for making a back-up. right now i have all my sites, database, but not sure if i have all my apache conf, ftp user conf etc...
[14:26] <lynxman> wip: I'd rsync the whole structure to another disc, also mysqldump your databases, keep a separate copy of /etc as well and of your user data
[14:26] <lynxman> wip: as a paranoid that's the kind of backup I'd do
[14:27] <wip> lynxman, sadly the other disk is full (the back-up disk)
[14:28] <yakster> what address do I need to have on my hostile? just the local private IP and the name associated with it correct?
[14:28] <lynxman> wip: then connect another one? :)
[14:29] <wip> lynxman, good advice sadly i don't want to paid my hosting cie to install a new disk
[14:30] <wip> would it be possible to backup an image of my entire system within the same hd (i have plenty of space)
[14:30] <lynxman> wip: I'd not recommend that unless you have no other choice
[14:31] <yakster> nm I got it….
[14:31] <yakster> thanks all
[14:31] <wip> i have no other choice... sadly - i'm a poor fake sysadmin
[14:36] <wip> is this line ok to backup before do-release-upgrade? tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /
[14:37] <lynxman> wip: do that, then also a separate tar of /etc another of your web content and a mysqldump of your BBDDs (or pg_dump in your case)
[14:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yo
[14:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: etckeeper is in -proposed
[14:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool, thanks!
[14:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we probably need to talk to the upstream etckeeper devs and see if they'll take this simple patch upstream
[14:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: the ping was about that bte
[14:41] <RoAkSoAx> btw*
[14:41] <wip> lynxman, should i change release-upgrades - Prompt=lts?
[14:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: alright
[14:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i predict a bikeshedding discussion about *where* this should be fixed
[14:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: they're going to say "fix it in bzr", and bzr is saying "fix this in etckeeper"
[14:42] <lynxman> wip: I'd follow this doc, it's quite good (I followed it myself) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades#Upgrade_from_8.04_LTS_to_10.04_LTS
[14:43] <wip> lynxman, THX!!
[14:43] <w00> Anyone did a release-upgrade from natty to oneiric yet?
[14:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: agreed, but the simplicity of the patch gives us good chances, at it makes sense to set defaults as well
[14:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: heh, i wish i just had to convince you :-)
[14:45] <lynxman> kirkland: hey o/
[14:45] <wip> lynxman, you may need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default boot kernel to the newly installed 10.04 kernel: did you have to? i don't have access to the console...
[14:46] <lynxman> wip: I didn't need to, but your mileage may vary
[14:46] <kirkland> lynxman: howdy
[14:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: lol xD
[14:50] <wip> anyone have any recommandation before doing a do-release-upgrade on hardy: i will backup using: tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt | dump my mysql and pgsql database | bk /etc | bk manywebsites | ask for a kvm/ip (you may need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst - If this step is not performed your server may attempt to boot into the 8.04 LTS kernel and will hang.)?
[14:52] <wip> and i am using dovecot on hardy...
[14:58] <koolhead17> lynxman: i am testing most of the nova commands and all of them are working , what would you suggest :P
[14:59] <lynxman> koolhead17: keep testing? :o)
[15:00] <w00> Please report this as a bug and include the files /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log in your report. The upgrade has aborted.
[15:00] <w00> :[
[15:01] <koolhead17> lynxman: ok. sir :D
[15:05] <w00> Where should i report the bug more exactly?
[15:28] <w00> launchpad timeout, awesome, no upgrade for now then
[15:35] <___MAX> hi, i have toshiba disk drive with usb cable i wont to install ubuntu on it with persistence
[15:40] <kirkland> SpamapS: ping
[15:40] <___MAX>    can i install persistence ubuntu on 80 disk drive  with usb cable
[15:40] <SpamapS> kirkland: pong!
[15:41] <___MAX> any idea !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[15:45] <smoser> jamespage, still around ?
[15:46] <jamespage> smoser: yep
[15:47] <smoser> i ran a test like : execute_ubuntu_ec2_test.py simple-user-data --tests=./ec2-automated-tests --release=oneiric --storage=ebs --region=us-east-1 --arch=amd64 --debug
[15:47] <smoser> having modified global/archs.yaml to say 't1.micro' for default size
[15:48] <smoser> the instance went to started, then to stopped, then started, but then back to stopped
[15:48] <smoser> it did not go to terminated
[15:49] <jamespage> logfile?
[15:49] <jamespage> ah - are you running that on natty or oneiric?
[15:49] <jamespage> started-stopped-started-terminated would be normal
[15:49] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/707408/
[15:50] <smoser> running a test of oneiric on my oneiric machine
[15:50] <smoser> that log is cleaned a bit... i tried to strip out boto debug
[15:51] <smoser> and it just now happened again
[15:51] <jamespage> smoser: did boto get an upgrade this release? I remember having todo something hacky with terminate/stop before
[15:51] <jamespage> infact I know it did
[15:52] <jamespage> fwiw I've only ever run the ec2-tests from natty
[15:52] <jamespage> so that might be making a difference.
[15:53] <smoser> boto did upgrade 1.9b-1ubuntu5 in natty, and 2.0-0ubuntu1 in oneiric
[15:55] <jamespage> smoser: it looks like that part of the api has changed - there is now a terminate method which did not exist before
[15:55] <SlimG> PHP complains that it cannot find the imagecreate() function I'm using, phpinfo() says GD is enabled, ubuntu server 10.04 with apache2 and php5
[15:55] <smoser> right.
[15:56] <smoser> jamespage, i'll try to monkey patch the test suite to account for that
[15:56] <SlimG> What do I need to do/install to get the php function imagecreate() ?
[15:56] <jamespage> smoser: ack
[15:56] <smoser> jamespage, doc merge proposal at https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/doc-updates/+merge/79304
[15:57] <jamespage> smoser: thanks for that - it really needed doing
[15:57] <jamespage> smoser: the stop command for ebs instances in PHASE_3 could also be updated as well
[15:57] <jamespage> I'm happy to move the minimum release requirement forwards BTW
[15:58] <jamespage> its not hassle
[16:05] <smoser> jamespage, so we think that boto.ec2.instance.stop() on natty would terminate ?
[16:05] <smoser> and on oneiric it 'stop'
[16:05] <smoser> right?
[16:14] <donspaulding> Can I have upstart spawn/respawn multiple processes from a single .conf?
[16:23] <smoser> jamespage, ok. i think we're good now.
[16:23] <smoser> i have 3 things i'd like merged
[16:23] <smoser>  https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/ec2-automated-test/
[16:23] <smoser> err.. lets number them.
[16:23] <smoser> 1.) https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/ec2-automated-test/ . I can't seem to submit a merge proposal for that at all, so you'll just have to review, and pull it in.
[16:24] <smoser> 2.) doc fixes : https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/doc-updates/+merge/79304
[16:24] <smoser> 3.) other fixes : https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-server-ec2-testing/fixes/+merge/79174
[16:27] <donspaulding> I see where I can run a separate pre-start stanza to run a process, but can I exec a command in that stanza and have upstart manage it?  Will Upstart respawn the commands executed in the pre-start stanza if they terminate abnormally?
[16:41] <smoser> donspaulding, http://paste.ubuntu.com/707441/
[16:42] <smoser> i put that in /etc/init, and then ran 'sudo start testme'.  that wrote to /tmp/testme.log.  I got the pid that was in /tmp/testme.log and killed it (sudo kill).
[16:43] <smoser> and after the kill, post-stop, pre-start, start, and post-start all get called
[16:43] <donspaulding> smoser: my question regards exec'ing a daemon within the pre-start.
[16:44] <smoser> oh.. i see. i thoguht you were just asking if it would run pre-start on 'respawn'
[16:45] <smoser> i would doubt that it would handle the respawn of jobs started in a pre-start.
[16:45] <donspaulding> smoser: yeah, I can see where my question could look like that.  Unfortunately, I'm trying to screw with a hammer, I think.
[16:45] <donspaulding> smoser: I think I'm just going to "do it the Upstart way" and put the two daemons in different .confs
[16:57] <koolhead17> why all sudden channel went in silence :P
[16:59] <josePhoenix> Shhhh.
[16:59]  * donspaulding grabs the popcorn
[17:00]  * koolhead17 just had nice dinner!!
[17:01] <donspaulding> we're watching a movie
[17:01] <donspaulding> http://i.imgur.com/tCp90.gif
[17:01] <storrgie> how can I get a script to run at startup? Its daemonized... I have /etc/rc.d/init.d/mpdscribble ready to go
[17:02] <josePhoenix> symlink into the runlevel you want it, like old-style initscripts
[17:02] <josePhoenix> or write an upstart script for it
[17:03] <storrgie> josePhoenix, I remember there was a program i could call if I had an initscript, something like: program myscript defaults
[17:03] <storrgie> i forget what its called though
[17:03] <koolhead17> donspaulding: scary movie!! :P
[17:03] <donspaulding> storrgie: update-rc.d
[17:03] <josePhoenix> storrgie: update-rc.d? I don't remember if ubuntu installs it by default these days
[17:03] <storrgie> I'm actually in fedora right now, I just usually ask questions in here
[17:04] <storrgie> i believe you're right it is update-rc.d
[17:16] <josePhoenix> storrgie: you may get different answers here ;]
[17:19] <storrgie> josePhoenix, right. I did find it out though. I needed to use systemctl
[17:19] <storrgie> I'm not sure if thats in ubuntu, I think ubuntu uses upstart right?
[17:21] <josePhoenix> storrgie: it's kind of a confusing landscape in ubuntu :\
[17:22] <josePhoenix> upstart scripts are installed with services, but there's no "right" way to disable services without removing them altogether
[17:22] <josePhoenix> and to further complicate things, traditional rc#.d/ folders are still supported
[17:25] <storrgie> josePhoenix, this is why I shifted over to fedora... I feel really detached from whats going on in ubuntu. Its frustrating
[17:29] <josePhoenix> Aside from that weirdness I've been very happy with Ubuntu
[17:30] <josePhoenix> even when the packagers make nonstandard decisions, they usually aren't bad ones
[17:31] <koolhead17> storrgie: change is good!! :D
[17:33] <RoyK> koolhead17: I guess that depends what sort of change, the slow migrate to upstart while keeping the sysv scripts isn't too easy to handle for many sysadmins
[17:34] <RoyK> IMHO the jump to upstart was a wee bit hurried
[17:34] <koolhead17> RoyK: things will get much better in LTS :)
[17:34] <storrgie> koolhead17, change is great... arbitrary change is rough though
[17:34] <RoyK> koolhead17: I'm talking about LTS, lucid
[17:35] <koolhead17> RoyK: i meant coming one!! :)
[17:35] <RoyK> things should be _stable_ in an LTS
[17:35] <RoyK> in Hardy it was all fine
[17:35] <RoyK> in Lucid, things got a bit complicated
[17:35] <patdk-wk> ya, too earily upstart migration :(
[17:35] <RoyK> indeed
[17:36]  * RoyK just has to try 11.10 on his home server to get Xen - talking about cutting edge.....
[17:36] <patdk-wk> royk, I'm bad
[17:37] <patdk-wk> I haven't used anything other than maverick and lucid currently
[17:37] <KM0201> i'm gonna put 11.10 on my server in a little bit.
[17:37] <patdk-wk> only lucid on servers
[17:37] <KM0201> i'l go to LTS w/ 12.04, and stay there a while
[17:37] <patdk-wk> but I do test all iso's for all ubutu versions
[17:37] <patdk-wk> just don't use them, just test
[17:37] <patdk-wk> things will get fun when 12.04 comes out
[17:38] <patdk-wk> I'll have to start building 10.04 and 12.04 packages for all my custom stuff
[17:38] <patdk-wk> hoping 12.04 is nice, I'll upgrade to it quickly
[17:38] <RoyK> patdk-wk: for workstations, we upgrade rather often. that may change after 12.04, but then, I beleive we said that before 10.04 came out :P
[17:38] <patdk-wk> I'm still using 10.04 for workstations, (except my netbook, cause I tried maverick on it, just haven't bothered hardly use it)
[17:38] <koolhead17> RoyK: it takes time, after all we are rapidly going there :P
[17:39] <koolhead17> patience :D
[17:39] <RoyK> and then, when 12.10 comes, the users are bound to request an update
[17:39] <patdk-wk> yuk
[17:39] <shennyg> how to I list available versions (including past versions) of a specific program using apt-get?
[17:40] <patdk-wk> I can't stand to upgrade every 6 months, too quick, just geting settled in :)
[17:40] <patdk-wk> shennyg, apt-get doesn't do that
[17:40] <RoyK> still trying to find an easy way to integrate ubuntu into AD, single signon etc
[17:40] <patdk-wk> royk, that is easy
[17:40] <patdk-wk> been doing that since atleast hardy
[17:40] <RoyK> shennyg: apt-cache search will show you the list of current versions
[17:41] <RoyK> patdk-wk: really? the howtos I've come across weren't exactly simple - local user needed and whatnot
[17:41] <shennyg> thanks RoyK
[17:41] <patdk-wk> royk, local user is not needed at all
[17:41] <patdk-wk> atleast the way I do it, bind it into pam
[17:41] <RoyK> then the howto is wrong :P
[17:42] <patdk-wk> I also don't use that *simple* AD intergration howto
[17:42] <patdk-wk> or whatever that package is called
[17:42] <RoyK> I don't think there is one
[17:42] <RoyK> and with a bunch of workstations, you really want a simple one
[17:42] <shennyg> RoyK: that didn't give me versions numbers... just the name.
[17:43] <RoyK> shennyg: man apt-cache :P
[17:43] <patdk-wk> royk, ya, I think it takes about 5min to do it, edit pam, use winbind I think, get kerberos token for machine
[17:43] <shennyg> thanks ;)
[17:43] <patdk-wk> then it should be good
[17:45] <patdk-wk> royk, likewise is the same of that package that is suppost to make it simple
[17:46] <patdk-wk> the one I used as a sample, though my config is alittle different is: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto
[17:46]  * RoyK took tomorrow off and really cba to worry about windoze integration atm
[17:47] <RoyK> but thanks - I'll bookmark it
[17:47] <dnmons> Hi all. Is it possible to do SSH attack throttling as explained here > http://my.opera.com/TMS/blog/show.dml/194002 using Ubuntu’s ‘Uncomplicated Firewall’?
[17:47] <aaabbbccc> hi everyone
[17:47] <RoyK> dnmons: I just use denyhosts
[17:48] <RoyK> dnmons: a bit more nazi, but works well
[17:48] <patdk-wk> dnsmons, there are many ways to do it using ufw, but they aren't very smart, as they don't know a good vs bad connection
[17:48] <RoyK> dnmons: and then, it's distributed, so the usual suspects are denied early
[17:48] <patdk-wk> therefor I normally use fail2ban
[17:48] <RoyK> patdk-wk: fail2ban < denyhosts
[17:49] <patdk-wk> denyhosts isn't dynamic
[17:49] <patdk-wk> or are you talking about some program?
[17:49] <patdk-wk> not hosts.deny
[17:49] <aaabbbccc> I have a question about dovecot-auth & postfix, after a recent update (I believe) no node is made at /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth
[17:49] <RoyK> patdk-wk: it uses hosts.deny, but it updates it dynamically for sure
[17:49] <RoyK> patdk-wk: apt-cache search denyhosts :P
[17:49] <dnmons> what are the advantages of fail2ban vs denyhost?
[17:50] <aaabbbccc> it seems 01-mail-stack-delivery.auth is not loaded anymore
[17:50] <dnmons> I liked the method explained in that blog post because it does’t block, just drop packets and slow things down
[17:50] <patdk-wk> who said you had to just block?
[17:50] <patdk-wk> you can do any number of things, only limited by your creativity and time
[17:51] <patdk-wk> but as that blog is not about linux iptables, not that useful
[17:51] <RoyK> patdk-wk: and yes, denyhosts != hosts.deny even though it uses it (as fail2ban may do if you want to)
[17:52] <patdk-wk> ya, I'm not a fan of hosts.deny
[17:52] <RoyK> why not?
[17:52] <patdk-wk> these days I use ipset
[17:52] <patdk-wk> and just have a custom rule chain that triggered off it
[17:53] <RoyK> hosts.deny does the same job only at a higher level
[17:53] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:53] <patdk-wk> higher level, depends on application support for it compiled in, ...
[17:53] <patdk-wk> also only works on the machine the app runs on
[17:53] <RoyK> patdk-wk: how many services do you really check for in fail2ban?
[17:54] <patdk-wk> about 12
[17:54] <patdk-wk> across 30+ servers
[17:54] <RoyK> I get your point....
[17:54] <necromancer> hi guys, i'm currently running a bunch of JeOS 8.04 VMs on this one VM server, and one app i have to deploy can't run on 8
[17:54] <necromancer> what version of Ubuntu is most like 8.04 in terms of footprint?
[17:54] <patdk-wk> royk, the only thing I don't check with it currently is web logs :)
[17:55] <RoyK> necromancer: with lucid (10.04) you have a "minimal virtual machine" choice in the install menu - that should be rather close to JeOS
[17:55] <necromancer> awesome
[17:55] <RoyK> might be a bit bigger, though
[17:55] <patdk-wk> min virtual machine = JeOS
[17:56] <RoyK> patdk-wk: in theory, yes :P
[17:56] <patdk-wk> atleast according to the testing I do every month :)
[17:56] <necromancer> i mean as long as it's really close
[17:56] <patdk-wk> it's suppost to be <500MB
[17:56] <patdk-wk> it's normally in the 450MB about size
[17:56] <RoyK> necromancer: it's the smallest one from ubuntu
[17:56] <RoyK> necromancer: a minimal debian install is likely to be half of that
[17:56] <necromancer> it's easier for my boss to keep track of the server's size and if it needs hardware upgrades
[17:56] <necromancer> RoyK: reeeally
[17:57] <RoyK> debian is very minimal
[17:57] <necromancer> now is debian difficult to configure to be very minimal?
[17:57] <RoyK> necromancer: but really, do you need to go that low?
[17:57] <RoyK> most - even cheap VMs - have a few gigs of space
[17:59] <necromancer> RoyK: our VMs are 128mb RAM, 8GB HD and using 1 vCPU
[18:00] <RoyK> necromancer: you can go a long way with 8GB
[18:00] <necromancer> yeah
[18:00] <RoyK> and 128MB should suffice for a small vm
[18:01] <necromancer> well as long as ubuntu 10 can run on those specs we're good i guess
[18:01] <RoyK> 10.04 will run well on that
[18:01] <RoyK> even a standard install
[18:01] <patdk-wk> smallest ram usage I could make ubuntu 10.04 use is 24megs
[18:04] <RoyK> necromancer: I have a few 64MB VMs
[18:04] <RoyK> works
[18:05] <RoyK> necromancer: and on my home server which has plenty of software installed, it's only using 1,6GB for the root
[18:06] <aaabbbccc> can someone help me with dovecot sasl / mail-stack-delivery
[18:06] <necromancer> RoyK: awesome
[18:06] <aaabbbccc> somehow my mail system stopped working, postfix cannot authenticat imap on dovecot is working fine
[18:07] <aaabbbccc> '/var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-aut does not exist anymore it looks like 01-mail-stack-delivery.auth is not loaded, but i do not know why...
[18:08] <aibo> hola, where I can current software version list for 10.04 LTS
[18:08] <Pici> aibo: http://packages.ubuntu.com is probably the easiest way.
[18:09] <RoyK> aibo: man apt-cache
[18:09] <aibo> RoyK, i am not on 10.04, thinking about migrating from 11.04
[18:12] <RoyK> aibo: on which version are you?
[18:12] <aibo> I said, 11.04
[18:12] <RoyK> well, my first advice is: If everything works, don't fix it
[18:12] <pmatulis> an XFS filesystem was created on /dev/sdc instead of on /dev/sdc1.  does it matter?
[18:13] <RoyK> pmatulis: hardly
[18:13] <RoyK> pmatulis: unless there were more partitions on the drive :P
[18:13] <aibo> RoyK, I know
[18:13] <RoyK> pmatulis: if there were, they are probably gone
[18:15] <pmatulis> RoyK: nah, there were no other
[18:15] <RoyK> pmatulis: then no harm done
[18:15] <RoyK> pmatulis: sdc now doesn't contain a partition table, but neither needs one
[18:16] <pmatulis> RoyK: ok, makes sense.  thanks
[18:18] <dnmons> another question, where are ufw rules stored? so I can back them up.
[18:19] <patdk-wk> pmatulis, never put that drive into an openfiler system though :)
[18:19] <patdk-wk> atleast the of I used would automatically put a gpt on every disk, even if you didn't want one
[18:19] <patdk-wk> dnmons, /etc/ufw
[18:19] <patdk-wk> you should backup /etc though
[18:20] <RoyK> patdk-wk: no reason for a partition table on drive unless you want to split it
[18:21] <patdk-wk> royk, correct, as long as no other programs think it should have one, and installs one :)
[18:21] <dnmons> patdk-wk: ufw allow 25
[18:21] <dnmons> I expect to se port 25 somewhere in that directry.
[18:23] <RoyK> patdk-wk: if you use a program that automatically installs a partition table on a drive, then either you or that program is pathologically incorrect :P
[18:24] <patdk-wk> royk, yep, that is why my tests with openfiler only lasts a day :)
[18:24] <RoyK> hehe
[18:26]  * koolhead17 is back homr
[18:26] <koolhead17> e
[18:26] <RoyK> omg - duck and cover
[18:34] <jdstrand> dnmons: rules added via the ufw cli are in /lib/ufw
[18:37] <patdk-wk> oh? they got moved
[18:38] <RoyK> shouldn't those to /etc somewhere?
[18:40] <koolhead17> jdstrand: hey
[18:43] <jdstrand> hello
[18:43] <dnmons> jdstrand: thanks.
[18:43] <dnmons> can confirm that they are there in 11.04
[18:51] <Pici> hrm.. my byobu status widgets are gone.
[19:06] <kirkland> smoser: hey, meat mjfork
[19:06] <kirkland> meet, even
[19:06] <kirkland> smoser: he has some questions about cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[19:07] <mjfork> they are the cloud-init based images that are used in EC2 as well as other envs?
[19:10] <mjfork> smoser: gotta step away, back after bit
[19:11] <marshall> hey ubuntu-server
[19:11] <RoyK> hi
[19:11] <marshall> free -m says I only have 18 mb of free memory. how do I see which processes are eating the most memory?
[19:12] <patdk-wk> that is normal
[19:12] <patdk-wk> what EXACTLY is the output of free -m
[19:12] <RoyK> marshall: free memory is memory not used by the system. you want the system to use memory for caching....
[19:13] <marshall> http://pastebin.com/2aEC6YdC
[19:13] <patdk-wk> 558megs free
[19:13] <marshall> huh...
[19:13] <marshall> okay, thanks
[19:13] <RoyK> marshall: free also gives you memory not allocated, used for buffers etc
[19:14] <RoyK> marshall: the kernel doesn't allocate that memory, it just uses it for caching/buffering, which is good
[19:14] <marshall> ah
[19:14] <marshall> thanks RoyK, patdk-wk
[19:15] <patdk-wk> basically, the ONLY thing that uses *free* memory, is interrupt drivers, to allocate memory.
[19:16] <patdk-wk> At any other time, it would dump some cache, to and use that memory instead
[19:16] <patdk-wk> as the cache is all unused memory, used temporarilly for speeding up disks
[19:18] <RoyK> damn - 25Mbps is slow - I should upgrade
[19:19] <Jasonn> RoyK: I have 100/1
[19:19] <Jasonn> \o/
[19:19] <RoyK> Jasonn: 25/25
[19:19] <RoyK> atm
[19:19] <Jasonn> where you from?>
[19:19] <RoyK> a phonecall and I'll get 60/60 for NOK 100 more
[19:19] <Jasonn> NOK?
[19:19] <KM0201> anybody know the package name for mt-daapd .... tried to install it, and i get a not found
[19:19] <RoyK> norwegian kroner
[19:20] <Jasonn> RoyK: in USD?>
[19:20] <RoyK> google it
[19:20] <Jasonn> 17.7073 U.S. dollars
[19:20] <Jasonn> oh
[19:20] <RoyK> about $100 for 60Mbps symmetric
[19:20] <Jasonn> go for it :D
[19:20] <Jasonn> :o
[19:20] <Jasonn> I pay $52ish for 100/1
[19:20] <Jasonn> and its dedicated to me
[19:20] <Jasonn> thats the difference
[19:20] <Jasonn> that line is not dedicated to you
[19:21] <Jasonn> meaning
[19:21]  * RoyK likes a good uplink
[19:21] <Jasonn> oh
[19:21] <Jasonn> I have a 10gbit dedi for that :p
[19:21] <RoyK> this is at home
[19:21] <RoyK> at work, we have more bandwidth
[19:22] <RoyK> 60Mbps for $90 or so isn't really bad
[19:22] <RoyK> _symmetric_
[19:31] <garo> I did a upgrade to 11.10 with 'do-release-upgrade'. When it was creating a initrd in /boot it crashed because my /boot was full
[19:31] <jeh> I'm attempting to provision natty via cobbler, but I can't seem to get a working preseed file.  Can anyone direct me to one?
[19:31] <garo> So i deleted some old kernels, did a 'aptitude full-upgrade' and this time it worked
[19:33] <garo> but was the creating of the initrd really the last step in the upgrade proces ? (if not, which other steps should i do)
[19:38]  * KM0201 sighs
[19:42] <RoyK> garo: bug #873198?
[19:43] <KM0201> man, i hate forked-daapd
[19:43] <garo> grub seems fine here
[19:44] <garo> it actually looks like everything works ok, but most bugs aren't immediately visible
[19:46] <garo> what i fear is that the upgrade proces was planning to write some configfiles after making /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-12-server
[19:47] <garo> if those configfiles are related to things that are almost never used then it will take a long time before the bugs are visible
[20:04] <mtaylor> kirkland: ping
[20:06] <mtaylor> kirkland: orchestra server feature request: orchestra should be able to run an ldap server which acts as a debconf ldap database source ... so that you can preconfigure stuff systemically across everything you're spinning up (I got to this from looking at how devstack and juju both install mysql)
[20:06] <mtaylor> which is a little assinine
[20:10] <dkn> if i have an lvm on a single disk, unmount the lvm, and pull that disk from the hot swap bay, how can i tell the computer where the find the disk after it's reinserted?
[20:21] <KM0201> anybody know why rhythmbox wouldn't see a UPNP share?  i can see the share fine w/ other apps.
[20:21] <KM0201> how to install mt-daapd on 11.10... forked-daapd seems buggy
[20:26] <kudu> I'm trying to use mailman with postfix
[20:26] <kudu> I'm not receiveing emails on the mailman side
[20:38] <zul> mtaylor: database source?
[20:39] <koolhead17> zul: is nova shipped with oneiric is diablo-milestone?
[20:40] <zul> koolhead17: diablo final release+backported patches
[20:40] <koolhead17> zul: why is role based access control not working correctly then. :(
[20:41] <koolhead17> i have allready spent 48 hours on it wonder what is next :(
[20:41] <zul> koolhead17: no idea i never used it, you are talking about keystone right?
[20:41] <koolhead17> zul: nopes
[20:41] <zul> koolhead17: never used it
[20:41] <koolhead17> nova role based access control
[20:41] <koolhead17> okey. have to check it again for 20th time then
[20:42] <koolhead17> seems like something is there to look upon.
[20:49] <mtaylor> zul: yes. debconf can be told to get answers to its questions from an ldap server
[20:49] <kirkland> mtaylor: yo
[20:50] <mtaylor> kirkland: yo!  I don't really know much about anything that isn't openldap
[21:15] <boxybrown> any pam experts?  I have a question about autocreating home directories
[21:15] <boxybrown> this has a pretty good description of it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication
[21:15] <boxybrown> but I have a question about what happens if the home directory is an NFS mount and it happens to not be mounted when a user logs in...
[21:34] <boxybrown> All the sudden I've started getting these errors when I try to access the GUI:
[21:34] <boxybrown> TGT NOT FORWARDABLE:
[21:34] <boxybrown> so the gui complains "did not receive kerberos credentials"
[21:43] <boxybrown> oops, just realized those last posts were to the wrong room... my bad
[21:44] <ersi> No harm done :)
[21:44] <aaabbbccc> him I am still struggeling with mail-stack-delivery, SMTP SASL authentication fails, IMAP is accessible. I believe after an update /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth disappeared /etc/dovecot/auth.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.auth  is not included anywhere I believe
[22:04] <aaabbbccc> I really do not understand why the socket at /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth suddenly disappeared, the /etc/dovecot/auth.d section seems to be includen nowhere, and that's the only place dovecot-auth is mentioned (except foor in postfix' config of coursr)
[22:10] <wip> back home, time to do a do-release-upgrade from hardy to lucid... wish me luck!
[22:14] <wip> oh... This session appears to be running under ssh. It is not recommended to perform a upgrade over ssh currently because in case of failure it is harder to recover. If you continue, an additional ssh daemon will be started at port  '9004'. - Should i wait for the kvm/ip?
[22:14] <wip> but tomorrow is friday night... i wish i could party not do-release-upgrade...
[22:16] <JanC> wip: the additional ssh daemon should help with recovering, and in any case I hope you're running the upgrade script in a screen session?
[22:16] <wip> JanC: what do you mean "screen session" - i am connected from my ubuntu box via ssh to my server located somewhere in the world
[22:17] <JanC> wip: do you use 'screen' or 'byobu' on the server?
[22:17] <aaabbbccc> I believe /etc/dovecot/auth.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.auth should be included in dovecot's auth default {....} section right?
[22:17] <JanC> (byobu being an andvanced config for screen, actually)
[22:18] <wip> JanC: i'm using Gnome Terminal... not sure if it's a stupid answer
[22:18] <JanC> wip: I mean server-side
[22:19] <wip> JanC: hardy default via ssh
[22:19] <wip> JanC: no gui just pure ssh
[22:19] <wip> what are the chance of successfully do-release-upgrade from hardy to lucid (i'm choking)
[22:20] <wip> > 60% or < 40%
[22:20] <JanC> not sure
[22:21] <JanC> but using screen on the server will certainly help a lot
[22:21] <wip> what i fear the most: you may need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the default boot kernel to the newly installed 10.04 kernel. If this step is not performed your server may attempt to boot into the 8.04 LTS kernel and will hang.
[22:22] <JanC> if you run do-release-upgrade from the plain ssh session, it will most likely be killed when the connection gets lost, leaving you with a halfway upgraded system...
[22:23] <JanC> wip: that sounds like something you can check before reboot
[22:24] <wip> JanC: yes
[22:24] <JanC> wip: and you should certainly read about screen if you don't know it yet  ☺
[22:24]  * wip is reading http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_screen
[22:25] <JanC> (and 'byobu' too, but I don't think it existed at hardy time)
[22:25] <JanC> 'byobu' makes 'screen' easier to use
[22:26]  * kirkland high fives JanC ;-)
[22:27] <aaabbbccc> sorry to be a bit of e nuisance, but I cannot fix my postfix/dovecot setup, /var/spool/postfix/private/dovecot-auth does not get created since today
[22:27] <aaabbbccc> so SASL does not wrk for postfix
[22:27] <JanC> wip: kirkland is byobu's main author  ;-)
[22:28]  * wip high fives kirkland
[22:28] <JanC> kirkland: I think byobu isn't available in the hardy repositories, right?
[22:29] <JanC> in any case, plain screen should be
[22:30] <JanC> 9.04
[22:31] <kirkland> JanC: wip: there is an older, backport of byobu available in ppa:byobu/ppa
[22:31] <kirkland> JanC: wip: it's not the latest/greatest, but it should be functional
[22:34] <JanC> kirkland: that reminds me, I have a little "script" in ~/.byobu/bin that might be useful for other people too; it just runs 'wget -q -O - http://www.myexternalip.com/raw', which fetches the "external" IP when you are behind a NAT (sometimes that's useful...)
[22:35] <JanC> not sure if that would be useful as one of the default status items?
[22:35] <JanC> (default = included)
[22:36] <kirkland> JanC: oh, neat
[22:36] <JanC> not sure if querying a third party without asking is a good idea anyway
[22:37] <JanC> and that site only supports IPv4
[22:37] <kirkland> JanC: i could make that a configuration option
[22:38] <kirkland> JanC: as currently, the ip_address item supports a few different methods to get that
[22:38] <aaabbbccc> for dovecot/postfix/sasl with mail-stack-delivery installed should I just include auth.d/*.auth in conf.d/10-master.conf?
[22:38] <kirkland> JanC: would you file a bug against byobu with that info?
[22:38] <kirkland> JanC: i know how we could do that cleanly
[22:40] <JanC> what do you want the bug report named?  ☺
[22:48] <JanC> kirkland: https://bugs.launchpad.net/byobu/+bug/873736
[22:51] <kirkland> JanC: cheers


[00:18] <Atamira> eeep
[00:24] <ibeardslee> I've considered a siren in my PC case .. I'd seriously want to cause problems to someone who thought my PC/home servers would be better at their place.
[00:25] <G> actually, it'd be a good one to stop the cat jumping on mine
[20:26] <olly> morning
[20:31] <ibeardslee> morning snail .. how's life?
[20:50] <lifeless> o/
[21:01] <ibeardslee> sigh .. started considering starting the conversion of my PCinto my homeserver (to get rid of the VIA C3 jobbie) .. but then started thinking I have 4 disks .. what if I want to upgrade? I don't want a full on PC sucking power
[21:02] <ibeardslee> what if I also managed to get a freeview capable card?
[21:02] <ibeardslee> a friggin' rabbit hole
[21:09] <lifeless> ibeardslee: lol
[21:09] <lifeless> ibeardslee: see my chat with G for the conclusion of that rabbit hole
[21:19] <ibeardslee> 'a conclusion' to the rabbit hole
[21:24] <ibeardslee> a lot of the reason to use what is my PC as a server disappeared when I got the well powered UltraLap .. don't really need it for dev/play VMs
[21:29] <lifeless> right
[21:30] <lifeless> with portable compute power so large
[21:30] <lifeless> fixed stuff has to be either super large, or disk storage :)
[21:30] <ibeardslee> I suppose ulimately I am after a decent ARM board with GB network and the ablity to deal with at least 4 sata disks
[21:31] <lifeless> what was that dev server unit again
[21:31] <ibeardslee> as storage and minimal network services (dhcp, dns, mail, irc client)
[21:32] <ibeardslee> the PC? an AMD 64 X2
[21:32] <lifeless> no, there is a little server unit
[21:33] <ibeardslee> that intel NUC thing?
[21:33] <lifeless> no :)
[21:34] <lifeless> I'm just failing at googling it for you
[21:34] <lifeless> its a little arm unit, like the nuc, but arm.
[21:34] <ibeardslee> for a while I had looked at the HP N40L
[21:37] <lifeless> ibeardslee: http://trimslice.com/web/
[21:38] <lifeless> man they fail at being googlable without the name
[21:41] <ibeardslee> if they could do better storage options
[21:42] <lifeless> yeah
[21:42] <lifeless> didn't remember the no-esata thing
[21:42] <lifeless> does have sata though
[21:43] <ibeardslee> single 2.5"
[21:44] <lifeless> ibeardslee: looks like http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc3-info/#techinfo has 2xesata
[21:44] <lifeless> (linked from the trim-fit)
[21:51] <lifeless> ibeardslee: http://www.fit-pc.com/fit-pc3/docs/fit-PC3-block-diagram.jpg looks like it might match your needs, though it isn't arm
[21:51] <ibeardslee> hmm seems you can get drive enclosures that plug into a sata port
[21:52] <lifeless> ibeardslee: I have an icydock 4 bay w/esata that I'm pretty happy with
[21:52] <lifeless> sourced locally, let me dig up a ref
[21:52] <lifeless> http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=33
[21:53] <ibeardslee> looking at those on ascent
[21:54] <ibeardslee> so could be away without the multiple sata ports onboard
[21:54] <lifeless> http://www.computerstore.co.nz/MB561US-4SB-1.aspx
[21:55] <lifeless> is the actual place I got mine, FWIW
[21:55] <lifeless> it handles 3TB drives fine
[21:58] <ibeardslee> hmm no those sata-sata devices aren't actually a single sata connection :(
[22:01] <ibeardslee> ok .. now to start looking for an arm board with an esata port
[22:09] <lifeless> technically you want esata with/port multiplier support
[22:12] <ibeardslee> oh .. you can get a sheevaplug with esata
[22:24] <lifeless> !!!
[22:24]  * ibeardslee backs away from more rabbit holes


[01:34] <user|19> what is minimal system requirment to install kubuntu 22.04?
[02:47] <dabbler> minimum requirements are generally very low in linux-land. i'd search for recommendations for KDE in general. or describe the system you have in mind, especially CPU and RAM
[02:48] <dabbler> user|19 ^
[12:20] <fusion1181> Hello All: I am unable to launch snap applications from the GUI (pinned to taskbar, kmenu, ALT+F2). However, when I launch them from a terminal window they work perfectly fine. Removing the pinned app and then re-pinning the running application also does not work.
[12:20] <fusion1181> Does anyone have any ideas what might be the cause?
[12:22] <fusion1181> I am running KDE Plasma 5.24.7, Framework 5.92.0, QT 5.15.3, Kernel 6.2.0-26-generic (64 bit) under X11
[12:22] <fusion1181> under Kubuntu 22.04
[12:26] <weedmic> fusion1181: I suspect there is an issue with your .cache - try this to narrow it down:  open terminal and type "killall plasmashell;plasmashell > /dev/null 2>&1 &" (this will reset plasma), leave it open.  see if things work.  wait 5 mins and close the terminal.  if this worked, then delete .cache and do makedir .cache to put it back.
[12:32] <fusion1181> that did not seem to effect the behaviour
[12:56] <weedmic> then that is not the issue
[13:02] <fusion1181> weedmic: Thank you for the suggestion
[13:04] <fusion1181> When I launch from the terminal I get an error about AppArmor policy that prevents sending message but the app still loads. Could AppArmor policies prevent it from loading in the GUI but not the terminal?
[13:07] <oerheks> fusion1181, what span exactly?
[13:07] <oerheks> c/snap
[13:15] <fusion1181> Authy Desktop, teams-for-linux
[13:39] <oerheks> snap refresh # and see what happens after that.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:49] <chasm52> hello
[13:53] <fusion1181> oerheks: all snaps up to date. Still same behaviour. Very strange
[13:54] <oerheks> contact the maintainer?
[13:55] <oerheks> teams-for-linux is not official/discontinued.
[14:02] <fusion1181> Is Authy desktop also unsupported? I don't see anything that states it is
[14:03] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/authy


[01:21] <jonshez> bunas noches
[01:21] <jonshez> alguien en linea?
[01:22] <jonshez> tengo un problema con mi equipo y me gustaria saber si me pueden ayudar
[11:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:14] <ara> morning davmor2!
[13:32] <Viper1432> curious, what is the difference between this channel and "ubuntu+1"??
[13:32] <fader_> Viper1432: This channel is for coordinating testing of ubuntu wheras ubuntu+1 is for people using the development release and discussing it or asking for help
[13:33] <fader_> More bug-filing discussion and test coverage discussion here, especially around milestones when we're doing ISO testing
[13:34] <Viper1432> Well i'm on QA proprietary and recently slammed into a bluetooth wall.  reported there...no response, so I'm kinda' bouncing channels right now trying to see if I've bug reported to the wrong "app".
[13:35] <Viper1432> as in i'm helping test the nvidia stuff, but hit a major showstopper on my rig as logitech bluetooth quit working.
[13:35] <fader_> Viper1432: what is the bug number?
[13:35] <Viper1432> sec
[13:36] <Viper1432> bug #550288
[13:36] <ubot4> Viper1432: Bug 550288 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/550288 is private
[13:37] <Viper1432> private? it shows public...oh wait launchpad is in maintenance mode.
[13:38] <fader_> Viper1432: Hmm, yeah my guess would be bluez as well, so I think you've got that filed in the right place
[13:39] <Viper1432> trouble is there is "gnome-bluetooth"  "bluez" and bluez-applet as well.  I was shooting in the dark on that one...but in ubuntu+1 noone seems to be using b.tooth keyboards.  lol.
[13:39] <fader_> Hehe
[13:39] <fader_> Yeah, I don't have one either
[13:41] <Viper1432> i've been using a combo since intrepid days, and hadn't had any issues at all, until updates yesterday morning.  Betting its a 'fallback' to usb-hub glitch, as I've never used it as an actual "bluetooth" device, but had me scrambling in the junk bin for usb keyboard/mouse. lol
[13:42] <fader_> Viper1432: Have you tried booting from a previous kernel?
[13:42] <fader_> If it works with a kernel from a few days ago it's actually a kernel problem... good data to have either way
[13:42] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3 and others
[13:42] <fader_> davmor2: y0
[13:43] <Viper1432> I've tried:  livecd, previous kernel, different lucid install on different pc .  i'm not sure as to 'what' update caused the regression in the first place, but yeah.  (yesterday's updates was a big chunk of stuff.)
[13:45] <Viper1432> Its beta time...I was actually more concerned that I filed against the right "place".  I've seen bugs get filed against the wrong stuff and sit out and rot when they were valid issues.  confirmed a few others in the forums having the same issue.
[13:47] <Viper1432> it is kinda' funny though.  I'm testing nvidia proprietary drivers (on that team), and not a blasted problem since alpha1 but this.....kinda "wubawubawuba" moment.  :D
[13:47] <fader_> Heheh
[13:50] <fader_> Viper1432: As far as I can tell it's in the right place, but I'm not sure what else you can do to escalate it :/
[13:52] <Viper1432> yeah, kinda' what I thought as well.  I appreciate the look-see though.  There were problems with this combo + hardy, but in intrepid the hid fallback (showing the dongle as a usb hub) has been seamless.  trouble is there are several different things to file against with something like this.    QA channel has this one listed :  "for testing support use: ubuntu-testing".  I'm in +1 as well, so cartoon double take. :D
[17:35] <charlie-tca> video driver testing today; jockey fails to install the nvidia-current driver
[17:58] <ara> reminder: ubuntu qa meeting in 2min at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:25] <nagappan> how can I install Ubuntu 10.04 without plymouth ?
[18:26] <nagappan> I'm struck with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/552393
[18:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 552393 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Installing Ubuntu 10.04 through Ilo interface doesn't seem to work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[18:27] <nagappan> we need to have this setup ready for testing upcoming VMware Workstation release !
[18:27] <nagappan> any help is highly appreciated :)
[23:43] <nagappan> jtatum, Ubuntu 10.04 installer landed to gdm login
[23:44] <nagappan> jtatum, do you know any user name / password
[23:44] <nagappan> jtatum, to start the installer
[23:44] <nagappan> jtatum, I waited 2 hours for the installer to come up ! I clicked on terminal to see, whats happening, this logged me out :(
[23:45] <nagappan> jtatum, looks like I need to restart :(
[23:45] <nagappan> ah ! another 2 hours for installer to come up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:45] <nagappan> anybody on the channel, please help me
[23:45] <nagappan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/552393
[23:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 552393 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Installing Ubuntu 10.04 through Ilo interface doesn't seem to work (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[23:51] <sbeattie> nagappan: how does ILO talk to the host?
[23:52] <nagappan> sbeattie, ILO works through IPMI
[23:53] <nagappan> sbeattie, I mean connect through IPMI
[23:53] <nagappan> let me reboot the system
[23:59] <nagappan> sbeattie, can I boot without plymouth for installation ?


[00:06] <rickspencer3> bryceh, I'm installing Sauerbrten right now
[00:06] <bryceh> hmm, with current lucid bits, I'm seeing a [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id and some garbage.
[00:06] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ok
[00:06] <rickspencer3> *the* definitive graphics stress test
[00:06] <bryceh> hah
[00:06] <bryceh> it's a good one
[00:08] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:08] <RAOF> How are we with the work-items for nouveau?  In particular, what can we do about nouveau-firmware?
[00:09] <BUGabundo> it really pushes my laptop to its limits
[00:09]  * bryceh uninstalls plymouth and eliminates the fb id issue
[00:09] <BUGabundo> bryceh: :D
[00:09] <BUGabundo> half of lucid test users, will end up without it :D
[00:09] <bryceh> RAOF, I think the kernel team intends to obsolete nouveau-firmware with the generator thingee upstream is doing
[00:10] <bryceh> I don't know if it's at the top of their todo list at the moment though, but it might be good to remind them if they don't get to it in the next few weeks
[00:11] <RAOF> Ok, but that's not going to land before A3 :).  I've been tracking it in #nouveau, though, and it looks like mwk's making progress.
[00:11] <bryceh> RAOF, in the meantime I agree we should add it as a dependency, although I'm not sure exactly where
[00:12] <bryceh> RAOF, I need to read your email more closely
[00:12] <bryceh> RAOF, does it need to be a kernel-level dependency?  If so then I suggest we bring it to apw and sconklin and let them decide
[00:13] <RAOF> nouveau-firmware?  It pretty much is a kernel-level dependency, in that the kernel module shipped in lbm-nouveau wants the firmware.
[00:14] <superm1> why not just put it in lbm-nouveau for now then and pull it out when it's time to go?
[00:14] <superm1> would keep things far simpler without needing to obsolete the package
[00:15] <RAOF> One reason might be it's uncertain licensing, but it *would* be simpler it it were just shipped in lbm-nouveau.
[00:17] <superm1> what's this generator thing that upstream is working on?  it generates it on the fly for the HW?
[00:18] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:18] <RAOF> They're presume that's how the blob does it, too.
[00:18] <superm1> what's it generating it from then?  the VBIOS?
[00:19] <RAOF> From primitive operations & a description of the actual card hardware, I think.
[00:19] <RAOF> There's already a voodoo generator for nv4x, which is why my laptop doesn't need the nouveau-firmware package.
[00:19] <superm1> so then where did the firmware that exists today actually come from?
[00:20] <RAOF> MMIO traces of the binary blob.  It's a dump of how the binary driver initialises the card.
[00:20] <superm1> yucky
[00:20] <RAOF> Hence “uncertain licensing”
[00:20] <superm1> so more importantly, what's the HW do w/o that firmware in place then?
[00:21] <RAOF> It's not quite firmware.  It is really a small GPU program that's run on context switches.
[00:21] <RAOF> So, without the voodoo you don't get context switches, which means you don't get any acceleration.
[00:23] <superm1> so not the end of the world, just fairly inconvenient
[00:23] <RAOF> Yeah.
[00:23] <RAOF> It interacts badly with the fact that nv5x+ chips don't expose a linear framebuffer, though, which means that CPU fallback is quite a lot slower.
[00:24] <RAOF> So nouveau needs to read VRAM, unswizzle the bits, do the CPU fallback, reswizzle, then push back to VRAM.
[00:28] <RAOF> Current status of the voodoo generator for nvAx cards appears to be “[In quake 3] depending on place in the level where you're standing, and the direction you're looking, you can get anything from perfect display, through textures replaced with pink, up to totally bogus geometry”
[00:57] <rickspencer3> bryceh, so, this is totally subjective, but saurbraten seems smoother and more stable in Lucid
[00:57] <rickspencer3> I suppose that's mostly -intel
[00:59] <bryceh> nice
[00:59] <bryceh> there has been some performance work done with -intel
[01:00] <rickspencer3> bryceh, yeah, I'll really test it out this weekend when I have more than 10 mins ;)
[01:30] <RAOF> tseliot's done a bang-up job on making the binary nvidia driver work nicely - Enabling & Disabling nvidia in Hardware Drivers just works.
[01:32] <bryceh> sweet
[01:47] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Your xorg-edgers mesa packages don't actually build nouveau's gallium driver because you've misspelt “--enable-gallium-nouveau” - you've got “--enable-nouveau-gallium”.
[01:48]  * Sarvatt slaps forehead
[01:49] <Sarvatt> uploaded a fixed one just now
[01:49] <Sarvatt> sorry about that
[01:51] <Sarvatt> was just that last upload with the problem, ran into some problems with the rules and did it by hand
[01:51] <RAOF> You can make it up to me by telling me about how you build those packages, so I can fix it myself next time :).  I understand that there's a script that you run to automate the package uploads.
[01:52] <Sarvatt> do you have auto-xorg-git?
[01:53] <Sarvatt> ./auto-xorg-git -H hooks -g -d origin/ubuntu -p mesa -a 0ubuntu0sarvatt is what I use for mesa, I need to update the hooks though in bzr
[01:53] <RAOF> Where's auto-xorg-git?
[01:54] <Sarvatt> i'll update xorg-pkg-tools in bzr now
[01:54] <Sarvatt> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools
[01:59] <snap-l> Having some problems with an Intel card and a new load of Karmic
[01:59] <snap-l> The graphics for programs like Nexuiz and Stellarium are corrupted
[01:59] <snap-l> Nexuiz won't display other players/ floors, etc. intermittently
[02:00] <snap-l> Stellarium displays the toolbars with some fuzzed out look (like some memory corruption).
[02:01] <snap-l> Any thoughts on how I can get 3D working properly on this machine?
[02:03] <snap-l> It's an Asus K60I with an Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M
[02:04] <snap-l> 32 bit load of Ubuntu 9.10. Seems to be using the i915 driver
[02:13] <RAOF> snap-l: Hm.  I've got the same chipset, but on Lucid, and I haven't noticed any corruption.
[02:13] <RAOF> That said, I'm not the most demanding of 3D users.
[02:13] <snap-l> Yeah, Compiz works just fine, but this is a bit strange
[02:13] <snap-l> it seems like anything that requires several layers of textures gets messed up
[02:14] <snap-l> Not sure if it's memory allocation or something else.
[02:15] <Sarvatt> RAOF: for the nouveau ddx I use ./auto-xorg-git -H hooks -t + -g -d origin/ubuntu -a 0ubuntu0sarvatt nouveau    mesa: ./auto-xorg-git -H hooks -g -d origin/ubuntu -p mesa -a 0ubuntu0sarvatt
[02:15] <RAOF> There have been any number of fixes to the Intel drivers in Lucid; you might want to try an alpha 3 livecd in a couple of days to see if it's fixed there.
[02:15] <Sarvatt> anything with a + in the changelog is something i do by hand
[02:16] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Ta.  I should probably make it so that the xorg-edgers nouveau DDX contains the driver date; it's a useful piece of debugging information.
[02:16] <RAOF> Also, nouveau gallium works again on nv4x, modulo crazy update slowness.
[02:18] <Sarvatt> i have to disable that snapshot date patch because you try to patch configure that doesnt exist after a git checkout, it clones then patches then runs autoreconf after the patching
[02:19] <RAOF> Oooh, and wobbly works, too!
[02:22] <RAOF> I think that you should actually be able to apply that patch now.  Why don't I check? :)
[02:23] <Sarvatt> comment out the line in hooks/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.prepatch
[02:24] <Sarvatt> actually just drop the -H hooks line from it completely
[02:24] <Sarvatt> that patch removal is the only hook
[02:25] <Sarvatt>  ./auto-xorg-git -t + -g -d origin/ubuntu -a 0ubuntu0raof nouveau would work :)
[02:27] <RAOF> Bah.  No, of course it doesn't just work.  In fact, it'd be wrong, wouldn't it?
[02:27] <RAOF> What actually needs to happen is to run get-orig-source and import that...
[02:34] <Sarvatt> could just run the script with the hook, let it build then reenable the patch in the series and debuild -S -sa again
[02:36] <Sarvatt> i'll just do that next time i update it
[02:37] <RAOF> I was thinking of running get-orig-source in the prepatch hook, git-import-orig'ing it, and then letting it do it's funky thing.
[02:37] <RAOF> Also, nouveau gallium is awesome until compiz stops updating the screen.
[02:40] <bjsnider> i wonder if the nvidia drivers are really working as well on lucid as you think RAOF
[02:41] <Sarvatt> hmm maybe try toggling the unredirect fullscreen windows option RAOF?
[02:41] <bjsnider> there are loads of complaints all day in +1
[02:41] <RAOF> bjsnider: And when I followed up with one of them, they'd manually installed the drivers from the nvidia website and broken everything.
[02:41] <bjsnider> hahahaa
[02:41] <bjsnider> you're kidding
[02:42] <bjsnider> are you kidding?
[02:42] <RAOF> Well, no.  They had, at one point in the recent past manually installed the drivers from nvidia.com.
[02:42] <bjsnider> but you'd have to remove jockey for that
[02:42] <RAOF> Do you?
[02:42] <RAOF> Why?
[02:42] <bjsnider> you'd have to remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <RAOF> Do you?    AWESOME.
[02:45]  * Sarvatt would love a ncurses jockey he could actually use
[02:46] <bjsnider> what about the guy who said the 195 driver is crashing his rig every few minutes? what about all of the people who say they've lost opengl?
[02:46] <Sarvatt> most of the problems are from nvidia.com or installing PPA versions and screwing things up from what i see
[02:46] <RAOF> I guess that upgrades might be broken?  But my best guess would be Sarvatt's, yeah.
[02:47] <bjsnider> can someone go over to that channel and explain that? these complaints are getting annoying
[02:48] <bjsnider> all issues with jockey not being able to activate the appropriate alternatives are solved right?
[02:50] <Sarvatt> yep, i did see a bug earlier where someone was upgrading from hardy-lucid and didn't have a new enough dpkg to set up the alternatives though
[02:58] <Sarvatt> bryceh: we're going to get those record extension patches in the next xserver update already
[03:00] <Sarvatt> just a heads up they'll be obsoleted with the next merge from debian, they'll be on 1.7 branch next point release (i think friday)
[03:02] <Sarvatt> i've been watching that bug for a few weeks getting ready to pounce on it when they hit, just went on server-1.7-nominations 2 hours ago
[03:05] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, you're going to pounce on a defenseless little bug?
[03:12] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: are you using the blob right now? can you tell me the number returned from xlsclients | wc -l if so?
[03:14] <bjsnider> not on lucid, no
[03:14] <bjsnider> on karmic it's 22
[03:17] <Sarvatt> was just wondering how the heck BUGabundo had >256 the other day
[03:34] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ok no prob, just wanted to ensure the patch didn't get dropped
[03:35] <bryceh> oh there's another 1.7 point release in the works?  nice
[03:45] <Sarvatt> wonder how much space we could save on the cd dropping some dri drivers that arent even usable like sis and mach64, they're about 2.3MB each
[03:46] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, a guy in +1 just left a list of things the nvidia-installer left behind: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382004/
[03:46] <bjsnider> fascinating
[03:46] <Sarvatt> so he didnt even run the installer with --uninstall then...?
[03:46] <bjsnider> i'm not sure
[03:47] <bjsnider> but it leaves stuff behind even if you do
[03:47] <Sarvatt> i think its --uninstall anyway, --help tells you the uninstall command
[03:47] <bjsnider> and now mysteriously his lucid system has no opengl
[03:47] <Sarvatt> it deletes that stuff when i use the uninstaller
[03:47] <bjsnider> gee, i wonder why...
[03:47] <Sarvatt> heck, i think its actually called nvidia-uninstall
[03:47] <Sarvatt> installs a progam called that i mean
[03:48] <bjsnider> do you trust it?
[03:48] <Sarvatt> another case of pebkac if he didnt run that :)
[03:48] <Sarvatt> yeah i use it all the time
[03:48] <bjsnider> of course these people could say they uninstalled it whent hey really didn't
[03:49] <Sarvatt> i've always used them straight from nvidia.com instead of using ppa ones, one of the reasons i dont like having an alternative installed in mesa :)
[03:49] <bjsnider> if you don't know enough to use the uninstaller between drivers, should you be using the nvidia-installer?
[03:50] <Sarvatt> i think the nvidia.com installers should work again once libgl is moved back to /usr/lib though
[04:55]  * bryceh flushes xserver-xorg-video-nv bugs
[04:55]  * bryceh ker-puuushes
[04:58] <RAOF> Whoop!    It's a non-stop cavalcade of fun1
[05:14] <bryceh> nfi
[05:14] <bryceh> maybe ask on #ubuntu-desktop once seb128 is online
[05:15] <RAOF> I'll see if there's anything obvious in gdb first.
[06:35] <bryceh> interesting, when I try forcing fbdev to load via xorg.conf I get lots of lines like this:
[06:35] <bryceh> (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
[07:29] <alkisg> I installed Lucid a while ago, and the -pae kernel was automatically selected for me. On some updates the non-pae kernel was pulled in, so I now have both of them installed. The problem is that I can't uninstall the non-pae kernel, without removing xorg:
[07:29] <alkisg> sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 apt-get purge linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic
[07:29] <alkisg> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:29] <alkisg>   linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic* linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic* linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic* xserver-xorg-video-all*  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau*
[07:29] <alkisg> Is that problem caused by the nouveau driver?
[07:30] <RAOF> bryceh (should have) fixed that with the most recent xserver-xorg-video-nouveau updload.
[07:31] <alkisg> Ah thanks, let me try to update, I haven't updated in the last 2 days...
[07:50] <bryceh> yeah alkisg let me know if it does not fix it
[07:50] <alkisg> bryceh: thanks, I think it's not published yet, so I'll wait until it does and give some feedback then.
[07:58] <kklimonda> hmm, my laptop doesn't wake up from sleep anymore.. damn
[07:58] <kklimonda> how can I get some informations?
[08:05] <alkisg> kklimonda: I've read this a while ago, maybe it could help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume
[08:14] <kklimonda> alkisg: thanks - I'll probably wait till a3 is released and try it on the fresh system
[08:32] <alkisg> BTW, would anyone care to help me troubleshoot nouveau? It doesn't work for me, I have a laptop with 8600 GT M.
[08:37] <bryceh> hmm, to -intel 2.10 or not -intel 2.10
[08:37] <bryceh> tjaalton, any strong opinions?
[08:38] <tjaalton> bryceh: no, haven't tried it myself
[08:38] <tjaalton> but maybe it's more tested against the .33 drm
[08:38] <tjaalton> dunno
[08:39] <bryceh> ok.  I don't know of pressing issues impelling us to 2.10, but since it drops UMS I'm hesistant to go with it.  Hard to make a firm decision though.
[15:10] <tseliot> bryceh: a colleague reported that -sharevts + rootless X causes X to crash with Ctrl-C (it works fine without that paramter)
[15:11] <jcristau> means the vt is not put in raw mode
[15:11] <jcristau> (also i assume by rootless you don't mean rootless, but euid != 0)
[15:13] <tseliot> rootless as in run without root privileges
[16:35] <bryceh> tseliot, filed a bug?
[16:35] <tseliot> bryceh: nope
[16:37] <jcristau> tseliot: see hw/xfree8/os-support/linux/lnx_init.c.  we only set RAW mode if (!ShareVTs).  my guess is, whoever owns the vt should do that.
[16:48] <tseliot> jcristau: ok, thanks
[16:49] <tseliot> bryceh: do you mind if I fix bug #467490?
[16:50] <bryceh> tseliot, sure feel free to reassign
[16:50] <tseliot> ok
[17:14] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you're getting the sigquit when pressing enter after first boot problem?
[17:15] <jcristau> Sarvatt: i've seen a sigquit report on bugzilla a few days ago... #26689
[17:18] <tjaalton> fdo bug 26689
[17:18] <tjaalton> i'm lazy :)
[17:19] <tjaalton> bah
[17:19] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26689
[17:19] <tjaalton> freedesktop bug 26689
[17:19] <tjaalton> yeah
[17:21] <Sarvatt> RAOF: can you compile this and load it before hitting enter and reproducing it? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/trace-signal.c
[17:25] <Sarvatt>  touch Makefile ; make obj-m=trace-signal.o -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` modules    will compile it
[17:27] <Sarvatt> wonder if gentoo is using plymouth too, that'd rule that out if not.. it didn't happen without plymouth here before and I cant reproduce it at all anymore even with plymouth :( the majority of people hitting the bug are using the blob though
[17:32] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22679
[17:35] <Sarvatt> OsSigHandler (signo=3 there too, thread on it here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:37] <jcristau> oh, i'd forgotten about that threa
[17:37] <jcristau> d
[18:59] <_stink_> hey folks.  i'm trying to debug an X driver using the gdb info here: http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging
[18:59] <_stink_> the problem is that X never really starts using this driver.
[18:59] <_stink_> how can i still hook gdb in if X doesn't stay running, but crashes during the startup procedure?
[19:00] <_stink_> fwiw, it's kind of an obscure driver, and not one that's widely used or anything.
[19:00] <_stink_> so i'm not reporting a huge bug or anything. :D
[19:01] <jcristau> if you're lucky you can start X from gdb
[19:01] <jcristau> otherwise, get X to dump core, and run gdb on that
[19:02] <_stink_> jcristau: thanks!
[19:03] <_stink_> i should be using something other than startx to start it if i'm invoking from gdb, right?
[19:11] <_stink_> looks like xinit is what i want
[20:55] <baptistemm> hi there, do you need other information for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/526662
[20:58] <jcristau> yes.  need a reliable way to reproduce.
[20:59] <baptistemm> jcristau, that's the problem ...
[20:59] <jcristau> because afaik 1.7.5 has all the existing fixes in this area, so if you still have issues there then you need to tell us how to reproduce, or give us a patch
[21:00] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson, ^^ you said this afternoon some bits could be missing, and you had a patch
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, jcristau, yeah, i think i might know what happens there. baptistemm, do you see the screen dim first (if you're on battery)?
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> i'll discuss it in a bit though
[21:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm busy with other things atm
[21:05] <baptistemm> yeah, not a problem
[21:07] <bjsnider> RAOF, is docky using xrender or opengl?
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, jcristau, see gnome bug 609720 for the remaining race i found in gpm
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> we committed a patch to fix it, but it actually caused more issues
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> so it's been reverted again for now
[21:14] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson, thanks a lot
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, i'm not saying for certain that's your issue, but i can occasionally hit that issue
[21:15] <baptistemm> chrisccoulson, should I reopen the bug as the patch was reverted
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, please do. that's on my list of things to look at soon
[21:29] <jcristau> hrm, there's http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26469 which might be related, i guess?
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> jcristau, that's possibly related
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> although less exposed now, as gnome-screensaver doesn't directly rely on the idletime counter now
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> although, thinking about it, gpm only registers a single alarm anyway
[21:45] <RAOF> bjsnider: docky is using cairo, which is using xrender.
[21:45] <bjsnider> RAOF, understood, sir
[21:46] <Sarvatt> bryceh: looks like 2.9.1 with some way to selectively disable KMS by default on 8xx is the way to go. can you think of an easier way to implement that logic outside of patching the kernel? a kernel patch to do it wouldn't be that hard if not I'm pretty sure
[21:48] <bryceh> Sarvatt, "that logic" == blacklisting kms on 8xx?
[21:48] <bryceh> yeah apw has talked about that but I don't know the implementation details of how that's done
[21:48] <Sarvatt> yeah using modeset=0 just on specific pci id ranges
[21:48] <bryceh> right, I think we need to mindmeld with apw and sconklin about that
[21:49] <bryceh> but yeah I'm also getting more and more certain about 2.9.1 rather than 2.10
[22:18] <RAOF> Sarvatt: X died just as I was building trace-signal on my first boot; I've upgraded, rebooted, insmoded, and will drop you dmesg when X does it's swandive.
[22:19]  * BUGabundo comments nouveua PPA
[22:19] <BUGabundo> are you serious?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I was about to upgrade
[22:19] <Sarvatt> if it didnt happen the first time you pressed enter it probably wont happen this boot RAOF, no need to leave it modprobed
[22:19] <Sarvatt> everything in xorg-edgers/nouveau is already in lucid BUGabundo
[22:19] <Sarvatt> i'm curious how fbdev over inteldrmfb works for 8xx people
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: so where's the 3D?
[22:20] <Sarvatt> xorg-edgers/ppa
[22:20] <Sarvatt> if we did ship 2.10 and 8xx isnt fixed, can we just provide say a xserver-xorg-video-intel-legacy with 2.9.1 that has a modprobe.d conf with options i915 modeset=0?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: did that nvidia settings got updated?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> so I can test that comand you told me to improve speed of nvidia blob
[22:22] <Sarvatt> no i have no idea if thats why, that option doesnt work if your card isnt new enough anyway so that might be why
[22:23] <BUGabundo> 8400mG
[22:23] <BUGabundo> 2 yo
[22:23] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Aaaand there it goes!  Crash when I pressed enter to say “It doesn't always crash on the first press of enter” :)
[22:23] <Sarvatt> i think only G96+ supports the stuff, GT200+ and some older things like 8200 integrated and ion
[22:24] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I think mine is g85 or older
[22:26] <Sarvatt> RAOF: got the dmesg output when it sigquit?
[22:26] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Have an (unfortunately trunkated) dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/382574/
[22:28] <Sarvatt> ok its in there at line 1599 at least, looks the same as that fdo bug :(
[22:28] <RAOF> The rest made it into syslog, so if you'd like (much, much!) more context, I can fish it out of there.
[22:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, re: splitting out a -legacy intel driver yeah that's an option.  honestly though, looking through the changelog for 2.10 most of it is code deletions.  There's the Xv stuff which is new, and a few random things that might be bug fixes
[22:31] <Sarvatt> bryceh: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/103_increase_idgng_stride.patch http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/102_disable_bo_reuse_on_shadowfb.patch  2 backports from 2.10+ that I saw that would  be relevant on 2.9.1
[22:32] <bryceh> ok
[22:47] <Sarvatt> hmm src/libplybootsplash/ply-terminal.c is screwing with the tty
[23:24] <apachelogger> hullos
[23:24] <apachelogger> could someone help me debug a problem with xsetroot?
[23:24] <Sarvatt> i'm guessing theres something racy, and ply_terminal_set_buffered_input (around line 196 of src/libplybootsplash/ply-terminal.c) is sometimes not getting the original term attributes and resetting the ISIG flag on X's VT so the enter key (0x1c) becomes the quit character (0x1c)
[23:24] <apachelogger> or at least I think it is because of xsetroot :D
[23:41] <Sarvatt> hmm http://suse-moblin.com/obs-status/Moblin:Factory/aaa_base/aaa_base-bootsplash.patch


[08:47]  * abogani it is very astonished _really_ after three years that I did my best for provide realtime kernel no one want sponsor me (to obtain upload rights on it)?
[09:18] <jussi01> abogani: perhaps you are asking in the wrong place.
[09:18] <jussi01> abogani: I would if I could.
[09:19] <abogani> jussi01: Hi Jussi. Do you know what is the right place?
[09:19] <jussi01> abogani: not really. I guess #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-kernel.
[09:20] <abogani> jussi01: Already done also on it
[09:20] <abogani> jussi01: On -motu also.
[09:20] <jussi01> abogani: I guess its about being patient.
[09:20] <abogani> Or perhaps simply I don't deserve it.
[09:21] <abogani> jussi01: By the way when you will have 5 minutes for me... :-)
[09:21] <abogani> jussi01: Ok now I stop to bother you.
[09:22] <jussi01> abogani: what do you need?
[09:23] <abogani> jussi01: You have forget but It isn't necessary after all.
[09:23] <jussi01> abogani: please remind me. Im incredibly busy these days, so little reminders are good :)
[09:24] <abogani> jussi01: I dont' want waste your time.
[09:24] <jussi01> abogani: please let me know what it is you need. If I havent time, Ill tell you so.
[09:25] <abogani> jussi01: Was about review of my cv by a native English speaker...
[09:25] <jussi01> ahh
[09:25] <abogani> :-)
[09:25] <jussi01> I totally forgot
[09:25] <jussi01> abogani: do you have a blog syndicated on planet ubuntu?
[09:26] <abogani> jussi01: No. Why?
[09:26] <jussi01> abogani: I suggest you get one.
[09:26] <jussi01> abogani: then more people in the ubuntu community will get to know you, and you will have more contacts.
[09:27] <abogani> jussi01: Wow this is a smart suggestion!
[09:27] <jussi01> :)
[09:28] <abogani> jussi01: I have created a Linkedin profile some days ago (under friend suggestion).
[09:28] <jussi01> abogani: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[09:28] <jussi01> abogani: you are an ubuntu member,?
[09:29] <abogani> jussi01: Since 3 three years...
[09:29] <jussi01> abogani: yeah, I was pretty sure, just had to double check
[09:29] <abogani> jussi01: Right.
[09:30] <jussi01> abogani: anyway, follow those instructions and get blogging :D
[09:30] <abogani> jussi01: Ok. Thanks for suggestion!
[09:41] <TheMuso> abogani: I would, but I haven't seen any of your recent work, so I don't feel I am in a position to comment.
[12:12] <ScottL> jussi01, I've received some email back from john dong about backporting and using official backporting vs maintaining an "official" Studio backport PPA
[12:12] <jussi01> ScottL: and?
[12:13] <ScottL> surprisingly he suggested we roll like Kubuntu and maintain our own backport ppa, then if the package seems to work for people we could tell the official backporters about it
[12:13] <ScottL> and they would move it into the official backports then
[12:13] <abogani> ScottL: Could I have the little wiki page that I requested to you one month ago? 29 April is very near now....
[12:13] <ScottL> he also sort of obfuscated around putting a Studio team member on the backports team
[12:15] <ScottL> abogani, yes, this weekend at the latest now, i've finished one commitment and am rapidly completing the last, although I probably will need to query you a little during the week so that I understand the matter
[12:15] <ScottL> jussi01, this week I am going to respond back to jdong about it, clarify a point or two, and ask if he minds if i push his email to the -dev mailing list
[12:16] <abogani> ScottL: Things should be more easy than you are thinking. Only a review of my horrible English on my email should be enough.
[12:16] <jussi01> ScottL: please CC me in on it.
[12:17] <ScottL> abogani, your english is quite good, better than some who speak it naturally ;)
[12:17] <ScottL> jussi01, certainly
[12:18] <abogani> ScottL: Please don't joke (on this at least).
[12:18] <ScottL> ah, quadrispro left, i was going to tell him i already resolved my problem (oh, i hope) with the plymouth theme package, i fear he is avoiding me ;)
[12:18] <abogani> ScottL: :-D
[12:19] <ScottL> abogani, that isn't a joke really, it's more of a poke in eye at people in my country, you're english really is quite good
[12:21] <abogani> ScottL: I take in great consideration your opinion but _on_this_ (that is my English) I can't believe to you, sorry.
[12:21]  * abogani failed an other job interview...
[12:21] <abogani> Perhaps I start to think about change field? :-|
[12:22] <ScottL> i find it slightly sad and embarrassing that a lot of people in this country speak only their native tongue and do so poorly
[12:22] <abogani> s/I/Should I/
[12:22] <abogani> ScottL: It is the same here.
[12:24] <ScottL> abogani, i haven't heard you speak english but I am serious when I mention that you write more than adequately
[12:24] <ScottL> abogani, and I cannot offer opinions about changing fields
[12:25] <ScottL> TheMuso, hello
[12:25] <abogani> ScottL: Thanks. I don't believe in it but I really appreciated your compliment. :-)
[12:25] <abogani> TheMuso: Are you around?
[12:30] <abogani> TheMuso: Please let me summarize my collaboration status with you:
[12:30] <abogani> TheMuso: *) All my emails which I sent you about -rt on Lucid are still in my mail client without replies.
[12:31] <abogani> TheMuso: *) The only one change to -rt kernel (that is -10) on Lucid was made by me.
[12:31] <abogani> TheMuso: *) Some time ago you have said me that you never upload my works on linux-rt anymore.
[12:31] <abogani> TheMuso: *) So without an uploader I'm still doing my work in my PPA (https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa).
[12:31] <abogani> TheMuso: *) And I'm still triage bugs.
[12:31] <abogani> TheMuso: So why you say that you don't see my recent works?
[12:33] <abogani> TheMuso: I would want recall you that I'm not a Canonical employer and I the only one person that work on this package. So what you exactly expected from me?
[12:35] <abogani> TheMuso: The first linux-rt package was made by me and I take care of it for *7* Ubuntu release. Perhaphs I'm not superman and surely I have wrong something but I have done the all that work.
[22:26] <TheMuso> abogani: Ok, I need to look at your PPA to see what you have done recently, however I may not get time this week. I haven't replied to emails in my inbox because I am often quite busy, and could spare little time for the studi oproject. That is why I resigned from the project after lucid releases.
[22:53] <rlameiro> stochastic: are you there?


[10:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#4208 closed: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.21.1 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4208>
[23:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#4207 closed: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.19.6 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4207>


[18:01] <netritious> Howdy
[22:56] <Unit193> https://letsencrypt.org/2015/09/14/our-first-cert.html
[23:54] <aedend> congrats Unit193
[23:54] <Unit193> hmm?
[23:55] <aedend> I was under the impression you were part of the team from the link above
[23:55] <Unit193> Nope, just a news bit I saw so passed along.
[23:55] <aedend> ah
[23:57] <aedend> do you get any failed login attempts by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:58] <aedend> I keep getting a SaslServ message about this. Is there a way I can block these attempts?
[23:59] <Unit193> Yep, and sure, /part #freenode. :P
[23:59] <Unit193> It's a troll, chance of getting your password right are very very slim if you have a decent one.
[23:59] <Unit193> (Eg, not password, hunter2, or something.)
[23:59]  * aedend is changing his password from 12345 to something else...


[02:58] <cyphermox> wxl: what's missing?
[04:18] <wxl> cyphermox: nothing is missing. it was just somewhere i didn't expect. cjwatson set me straight.
[04:18] <cyphermox> wxl: what i mean is, presumably you're asking becuase you want to change it, I'm offering to sponsor ;)
[04:19] <wxl> cyphermox: no, actually. i was looking at how i would replicate manually what ubuntu-bug does. but thanks for the vote of confidence XD