[00:00] <clivejo> do you use krita?
[00:01] <sponge> oh, I think I'm beginning to understand
[00:01] <clivejo> I have krita3.0 in one of my PPA's
[00:01] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita
[00:01] <sponge> I'm not using krita. I wanted to try it
 snap install krita
 <IP_ADDRESS> is in there
[00:03] <sponge> After reading https://wiki.debian.org/AppStream I'm still a bit lost. Is there a difference between the installs from discover vs synaptics?
[00:05] <clivejo> discover is cross platform
[00:05] <clivejo> if the meta data is missing in the debian package, it doesnt see it properly
[00:07] <clivejo> synaptic is a package manager which works directly with apt and deb files
[00:08] <sponge> what happens if I use the ubuntu app store?
[00:08] <ahoneybun> clivejo: any idea why my DVD drive is not starting up?
[00:08] <sponge> which iirc is gnome's app store
[00:09] <clivejo> sponge: no idea
[00:09] <clivejo> I havent used vanilla ubuntu in years
[00:09]  * clivejo doesnt like Unity
[00:10] <clivejo> sponge: I personally use the terminal to install stuff, or Muon package manager
[00:11] <sponge> clivejo, True, although the HUD can search nicely (commands/files) which other flavors can't.
 As can krunner
[00:13] <sponge> muon also has krita 2.9.7
[00:14] <clivejo> muon is a deb package manager
[00:14] <clivejo> like synaptic
[00:14] <clivejo> but nicer IMO
[00:21] <sponge> You're right. Muon is nice
[00:21] <sponge> I just tried it now
[00:21] <sponge> It's a shame it's not auto installed
[00:21] <sponge> Is there a package manager for snaps?
[00:21] <sponge> and do appimages get updates automatically?
 No not appimages
 Snap can be
[00:23] <clivejo> Muon was unmaintained and was dropped from KDE releases
[00:24] <clivejo> but a developer gave it some love and got it working again just in time to get it into Xenial
[00:24] <clivejo> sponge: the plan is to snap and appimage most KDE software
[00:24] <clivejo> and should become available on https://store.kde.org/
[00:25] <clivejo> within hours of release
[00:26] <sponge> Will the user be able to see if the app he installs is snap or appimage?
 snaps are installed
 But I don't think app images are
[00:30] <clivejo> ewwwwww https://store.kde.org/p/1009178/
[00:30] <clivejo> why?!?
[00:32] <sponge> Hmmm the appimages files are cool!
[00:32] <sponge> hehehehe
[00:33] <Aziroshin> Politics aside, that splash screen doesn't look bad at all if you're into the minimalistic side of things. :)
[00:37] <Aziroshin> Also, the concept of projects that attempt to make one platform look like another is an ancient partner of desktop computing History. What the appeal is? I can imagine that for some, it's a "proof of concept" kind of deal.
[01:03] <sponge> thanks for the help. bye bye
[04:03] <me5> happy holloween if anybody is around
[04:03] <me5> no tricker treaters this year here :(
[04:42] <DonCullen> Happy halloween to you too!
[04:42] <DonCullen> @me5
[04:57] <cl0x[MX]> hello
[04:59] <cl0x[MX]> someone living arround?
[09:39] <BluesKaj> 'Morming folks
[09:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning even
[11:45] <narolli> I have been using MS from very long time.. But fedup with lots of issues now a days
[11:46] <hateball> narolli: Do you have a Kubuntu question?
[11:46] <narolli> As I was browsing through different platform of ubuntu like kubuntu and edubuntu etc
[11:46] <narolli> I need help on this
[11:46] <narolli> how do i choose the right one for me
[11:48] <hateball> narolli: The different releases only come with different defaults. You can for instance go with Ubuntu with Unity, and then later switch to KDE Plasma which Kubuntu uses default
[11:48] <hateball> And you can choose which user interface to use at login time
[11:48] <hateball> The underlying system is the same regardless
[11:48] <narolli> Ok
[11:48] <hateball> narolli: And easiest to test is to download them and put on a thumbdrive and boot your machine and have a look around
[11:49] <narolli> so as of now I will run Ubuntu
[11:49] <narolli> Thanks!!!
[14:22] <log`> hey guys, I'm having some issues with a multi-monitor setup that I was hoping someone could clue me in about. On Kubuntu 16.04, my laptop system set in a docking station with a display connected via DisplayPort and one connected via VGA.
[14:22] <log`> In display configuration under system settings only the laptops built in display and the one connected through DisplayPort is detected
[14:23] <hateball> log`: is this a default 16.04 ?
[14:23] <log`> the VGA monitor is not visible/detected in the display configuration utility
[14:23] <log`> hateball: yup, totally vanilla
[14:23] <log`> xrandr reports the existence of a VGGA display but it is disconnected for some reason
[14:24] <hateball> log`: then I suggest you start by adding/upgrading to backports ppa: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:24] <hateball> log`: multimonitor is iffy in 16.04... even with backports
[14:25] <log`> alright coo, thanks
[14:25] <hateball> all the fancy fixes for kf and qt wont be in until 17.04 I think
[14:25] <log`> is it better in 16.10?
[14:25] <hateball> yes, but not perfect
[14:25] <log`> alright
[14:25] <log`> here's my xrandr -q output in case you're interested: http://pastebin.com/hCfHS2UQ
[14:25] <hateball> bunch of bugs both in the kde bits, as well qt itself
[14:26] <log`> the command you pasted won't do a dist-upgrade to 16.10 right, just backports?
[14:27] <hateball> log`: dist-upgrade is not the same as do-release-upgrade
[14:27] <Pici> !dist-upgrade
[14:33] <log`> very informative.
[14:33] <log`> had to remove a third party repo with no Release that was blocking the upgrade
[14:33] <log`> will I need to reboot for changes to take effect?
[14:35] <hateball> log`: yes
[14:36] <log`> thank you very much, 20% done, hope it works :)
[14:50] <log`> hateball: it doesn't seem to have alleviated the issue, are there any specific steps you would recommend?
[14:51] <hateball> log`: have you made sure they are not placed on top of each other, the displays?
[14:51] <hateball> in the screen gui thingy
[14:51] <log`> hmm
[14:51] <hateball> because that's how it likes to behave for me sometimes, breaking a setup that has been working for days or weeks
[14:51] <log`> yeah the missing display is not even in the dropdown selector thingy
[14:52] <hateball> hmm
[14:52] <hateball> log`: and this has worked as expected in the past?
[14:52] <log`> the nvidia configuration thing that comes with the binary blob drivers only sees one display
[14:52] <log`> I'm trying to remember
[14:53] <log`> no, I'm not sure this has worked in the past
[14:53] <log`> i mean the laptop has worked in the dock on windows but i don't think i've tried it in linux
[14:54] <hateball> log`: oh you have nvidia blob? then you should use nvidia-settings
[14:54] <log`> hmm or maybe it has, i ercently moved from one city to another and i'm a bit confused as to when i installed this specific distro
[14:55] <hateball> and in that case, you may want to use the nvidia ppa as well, and get a more recent driver: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-370
[14:55] <hateball> and nvidia-prime, I guess, if you are using hybrid gpu
[14:55] <log`> thank you
[14:55] <log`> yeah it has optimus
[14:55] <log`> alongside a intel card
[14:55] <hateball> but that is a whole different headache I am not very not much in the know of
[14:55] <log`> cool cool cool
[14:56] <log`> hateball: just an aside, is apt-get completely out of fashion since you're just using apt?
[14:57] <hateball> log`: apt is more fancy like, has progress bars and all
[14:57] <log`> alright :)
[14:57] <hateball> also one doesnt have to remember apt-get vs apt-cache for various operations
[14:58] <log`> i should get up to speed on that, then
[15:00] <hateball> well, I have to leave, but good luck log`
[15:00] <log`> thanks, enjoy! :)
[15:16] <log`> hah, this is quite the adventure I'm on. The update to nvidia-370 caused my system to fail to boot with just a flashing screen and no way to drop into a terminal with Ctrl+F*
[15:16] <log`> so I booted into the previous kernel and removed nvidia-370, which I assume caused everything to fall back to more generic drivers
[15:16] <log`> because now, the VGA monitor that was not working before is working
[15:17] <log`> but the DisplayPort monitor that _was_ working has stopped
[15:18] <log`> let's try 367
[15:48] <Sircle> For multiseax in kubuntu 16xx lts, should this file be edited? /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc ? BluesKaj ?
[16:41] <Blackadderrr> Hello, is there any way to disable the delay of the panel menu? You know, when selecting other submenus there is a delay.
[16:42] <Blackadderrr> Like when going from Favorites to Applications to Computer
[16:43] <BluesKaj> delay...how long ?
[16:43] <Blackadderrr> less than a second
[16:44] <BluesKaj> I mean what is it now?
[16:45] <Blackadderrr> 200 ms or something
[16:45] <Blackadderrr> It's not lag, it's designed, or at least it feels that way
[16:46] <BluesKaj> delay here less than 20ms I'm sure
[16:46] <Blackadderrr> But I want my mouse movements to instantly affect the menu
[16:47] <Blackadderrr> Everything is instant except for that
[16:48] <Blackadderrr> It's making me crazy
[16:48] <BluesKaj> which plasma version , Blackadderrr?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> plasmashell -v in the cli
[16:50] <BluesKaj> and kubuntu version
[16:51] <Blackadderrr> plasmashell 5.5.5, kubuntu xenial 16.04
[16:52] <BluesKaj> and your packages are all up to date ?
[16:53] <Blackadderrr> I think not, running from a usb. Just to test kubuntu. I'm new to linux since today, and I'm trying out different distro's
[16:54] <Blackadderrr> So apparently it should be instant?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> oh, well that delay is probly a result of usb transfer speed .
[16:56] <BluesKaj> anyway you'll notice an increase in speed if you install to a sata drive
[16:56] <DonCullen> Doubtful
[16:57] <BluesKaj> time to go ... stuff to do
[16:57] <DonCullen> I'm seeing it also.  It's standard, and from what I know, can't be adjusted.
[16:57] <DonCullen> Used to be an animation speed option in Desktop Effects, but that's gone now.
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> Damn
[16:58] <BluesKaj> not here , I'm testing 17.04 with plasma 5.7.5
[16:58] <BluesKaj> anyway...later
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> thank you
[16:58] <Blackadderrr> Gonna install it on a different drive
[16:59] <Blackadderrr> Cause everything is perfect except for that
[17:12] <pedahzur> Sometime recently (not 100% when) KMail stopped properly rendering HTML mail. Mostly, graphics don't show up (but not all mails). I have KMail configured to load external resources in HTML mails. Thsi is KMail 5.1.3, KDE Frameworks 5.23.0
[17:12] <pedahzur> Anybody seen something similar?
[17:17] <pedahzur> Ah, appears there is a thread about it.
[17:18] <pedahzur> Looks like it's been around since August. https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdepim-users/2016-August/000253.html
[17:24] <Donald_ET3> I tried to install chromium-browser, but somehow the download was corrupted so apt can't install it. How can I force apt to try downloading it again?
 @pedahzur, You need to install the package manually
[17:29] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot: Thanks, but that should have been directed at Donald_ET3 :)
 The kmail issue?
[17:31] <Donald_ET3> Ah, the command is "apt clean". I wonder why that command is not in the man page.
[17:45] <Sircle> what other file do I need to modify for multiseatx besides /etc/X11/xorg.conf  for kubuntu 16.xx LTS?
[17:45] <pedahzur> IrcsomeBot: I asked about Kmail, Donald_ET3 asked about installing a package. You told me to install packages manually. :)
[17:46] <genii> Sircle: Perhaps consult https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions
[17:48] <Sircle> genii:  have you ever done it correctly?
[17:49] <genii> Sircle: I tinkered with multiseat when *buntu was at version 12.04 but not since. I did manage at that time to get it going for 4 seats
[17:53] <Sircle> genii:  did you use this link same?
[17:53] <Sircle> genii: why not just use sudo loginctl attach seat1 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/drm/card1
[17:54] <genii> Because I didn't know about loginctl
[17:55] <genii> ...and no, the multiseat instructions I pointed you at did not exist at that time. I followed different ones which were not specific to *buntu
[18:56] <Sircle> genii:  what files are needed for multiseat? xorg.conf and whats the other? theres a confusion in kdmrc or lightdm etc. which one to go for? what else? What if I am unable to see screen after reboot. Recovery mode does not lets me edit/remove xorg as it says filesystem is readonly. I am lost.
[18:58] <genii> Sircle: to write in recovery, first: mount -o remount,rw  -a
[18:59] <Sircle> k
[18:59] <Sircle> genii:  in recovery mode or write before that?
[19:00] <genii> In recovery mode
[19:00] <Sircle> k
[19:00] <genii> Sircle: It's been so long since I was investigating how to do multiseat setup that I'm probaly not much help for you with that part.
[19:01] <Sircle> genii:  np.
[19:01] <genii> ..but if you get stuck on reboot where it drops you to recovery mode, that's how you can undo what you did before.
[19:02] <genii> ( remount with read-write, make the changes, save and reboot again)
[19:25] <Sircle> genii:  thanks!
[19:25] <Sircle> genii:  does kubuntu uses kdm, gdm or something else?
[19:25] <genii> sddm by default
[19:26] <Sircle> genii: where do I put greeter etc?
[19:27] <genii> I'm not sure what your question is
[19:28] <Sircle> theres a greeter for multi seat. in some file
[19:28] <Sircle> perhaps I should read few docs first
[19:29] <genii> That's probably a good idea :)
[19:29] <Sircle> k
[19:31] <genii> Sircle: You can always switch the greeter from sddm to lightdm, if there's better documentation for lightdm
[19:31] <genii> Do not recommend kdm, it is not supported any more
 Hello everybody. In about an hour the Kubuntu Vision meeting will start. In this meeting we plan to discuss the vision of Kubuntu: Who we are, what are we doing, why are we doing this? and many more things. Agenda here: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Vision We invite you all to attend. The meeting will take place in http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/ Room 1, use your own username (what ever you want), password: welc
[20:17] <clivejo> password: welcome ^
 You may use this link for quick access to the meeting: https://connect.rna1.blindsidenetworks.com/invite/to?c=BinfpTVNz8NUsGlG5z4jI4VkBdir5kC5jYa_irG38S0&m=Kubuntu+Room+-+1&t=1478031678698&u=kubuntu
[21:34] <tertu> so
[21:34] <tertu> i have a package conflict problem: namely it won't let me upgrade the kernel because the header version it wants to install is wrong\
[21:40] <soee> did you installed manually new version ?
[21:44] <tertu> soee: no
[21:44] <tertu> not that i remember a yway
[23:01] <Donald_ET3> Firefox and Thunderbird keep crashing for no apparent reason. None of my other programs are having stability issues.
[23:02] <Donald_ET3> I wonder what could cause only Mozilla programs to crash.
[23:02] <Donald_ET3> Normally it's just Firefox that crashes. Thunderbird crashing is new.
[23:10] <Donald_ET3> Okay, maybe I need to reinstall Kubuntu again; Dolphin crashed. I don't know how anyone runs GNU/Linux without reinstalling every few months. The stability seems to decay after a few months. :/


 "derpey_noise: it is ok if..." <- I've never fully grasped the main difference between Cadence and Qjackctl. I have always used qjackctl and never experienced a gap in features that pushed me to use Cadence.
[15:40] <rgh> zero config pulseaudio and alsa bridging is the main benefit of cadence


[08:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[16:02]  * slangasek brandishes the gavel
[16:02]  * jhunt does Matrix-esque back bend to avoid it
[16:02]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is slangasek.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  lightning round
[16:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko csurbhi stgraber jhunt mvo ev vorlon bdmurray)
[16:03] <slangasek> jhunt csurbhi ev barry bdmurray doko cjwatson vorlon stgraber mvo
[16:03] <slangasek> jhunt: hi there :)
[16:04] <jhunt> More discussions on upstart-devel and pondering re aliases (for abstract
[16:04] <jhunt> jobs) and disabling of Upstart jobs. YACU ("yet another Cookbook
[16:04] <jhunt> Update"). Testing shutdown.conf. Detailed code review of Surbhis Upstart
[16:04] <jhunt> in initramfs branch and discussions with her. Finished merge and test of
[16:04] <jhunt> Upstart 1.3 into Ubuntu package (it's in my PPA) and raised MP: it's
[16:04] <jhunt> rather a nasty merge due to the branch change. Fixed bug 777097 (now
[16:04] <jhunt> merged). Spent some time on bug 777093 but needs more drastic changes to
[16:04] <jhunt> NIH (ditto for bug 776532). Working on converting SysV services in main
[16:04] <jhunt> to Upstart jobs.
[16:04] <jhunt> ✔
[16:05] <jhunt> cjwatson: could I prod you re the MP or shall I get SpamapS to take a look? I'd like to land it relatively soon to allow us to get the shutdown.conf added straight after).
[16:05] <slangasek> why does the branch change make it a nasty merge?
[16:05] <slangasek> (is the merge done using bzr merge-upstream)?
[16:06] <jhunt> well, the current Ubuntu branch has the same changes, but in different diffs.
[16:06] <cjwatson> jhunt: oh, yeah, I'll take care of it - sorry
[16:06] <cjwatson> I think I saw it last thing on Friday or something
[16:06] <jhunt> cjwatson: np, thx.
[16:06] <slangasek> ah, so they're under debian/patches, not applied to source, ok
[16:06] <jhunt> slangasek: it just appears rather large on lp, but it's essentially (mostly) a "nop"
[16:07]  * slangasek nods
[16:07] <jhunt> slangasek: although it does have all the new upstream goodness (bug fixes and features :)
[16:07] <slangasek> :)
[16:07] <slangasek> no surbhi at the moment
[16:07] <slangasek> ev:
[16:07] <jhunt> slangasek: no, sorry. They aren't in as patches, but when you look at the diff stats for my branch, it looks a bit crazy.
[16:08] <ev> - Short week; holiday on Friday.
[16:08] <ev> - QA test automation sprinting Wednesday and Thursday.
[16:08] <ev> - Looking into the various toolkit options for Wubi's future.  This involved
[16:08] <ev>   setting up a Windows VM (yay new license), and testing the footprint of
[16:08] <ev>   various WebKit embedding solutions (chromiumembedded, Awesomium, Pyside and
[16:08] <ev>   QtWebKit, etc) as well as looking at the Ubuntu.com access logs to see just
[16:08] <ev>   what percentage of Windows users have .NET 3.5 and thus WPF support.
[16:08] <ev> - Finally got the GObject Introspection bindings working with Cheese.  Started
[16:08] <ev>   building a test harness using v42loopback.
[16:08] <ev> - Had a brief chat with mpt on the design of the wireless network page, and
[16:08] <ev>   started implementing it using NetworkManager's fancy new 0.7 DBus API.
[16:08] <ev> - Reviewed and merged maco's ubiquity branch to fix bug 791446.
[16:08] <ev> TODO:
[16:08] <ev> - Come up with a new installer testing system built around remote power and USB-driven
[16:08] <ev>   images. Expense a pile of mini-ITX boards and further kit to Pete in advance
[16:08] <ev>   of the sprint.
[16:08] <ev> - Reply to the TB on measuring installation success/failure.  Get the
[16:08] <ev>   implementation off the ground.
[16:08] <ev> (done)
[16:09] <barry> short week (vacation on monday); bug 797281 (python-httplib2 breaking launchpadlib via lazr.restfulclient); foundations-o-python-versions (py3 cd size calculation); pep 382 planning - sprinted yesterday (summary to be posted); dh_python2 jam tomorrow in #ubuntu-pyjam; out this afternoon; done.
[16:10] <bdmurray> ubuntu qa pkg stats web pages fix for broken categories
[16:10] <bdmurray> added in additional foundations packages to pkg stats scripts to make qa pkg pages
[16:10] <bdmurray> branch and bug report for natty SRU of apport package hook for update-manager LP: #797894
[16:10] <bdmurray> apt branch to deal with 'cannot access archive' package install failures
[16:10] <bdmurray> queried launchpad for all ubuntu-foundations packages with upstream projects that use Launchpad for bug tracking
[16:10] <bdmurray> updated grab-attachments in ubuntu-dev-tools to grab all attachments for a package's bugs
[16:10] <bdmurray> investigation into and bug triage of initramfs-tools bugs regarding update-initramfs and lack of free space on /boot
[16:10] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in initramfs-tools by ~50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/initramfs-tools
[16:11] <bdmurray> bug triage of and pattern writing for msttcorefonts bug reports
[16:11] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in msttcorefonts by >50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/msttcorefonts
[16:11] <bdmurray> investigation into debconf bug 442941 and some duplicate consolidation from other packages
[16:11] <bdmurray> troubleshooting and bug reporting regarding wireless issue on my laptop
[16:11] <bdmurray> done
[16:12] <slangasek> ev: is there a clear winner for webkit footprint?
[16:12]  * cjwatson suspects that that debconf problem is actually a bug specific to package management frontends
[16:12] <ev> slangasek: mail coming on that shortly, but the short answer is they're all about 8-10MB compressed
[16:13] <ev> we might be able to get that down a bit further if we fine tune the ICU library
[16:13] <slangasek> bdmurray: "broken categories" - sorry, what are 'categories' in context?
[16:13] <bdmurray> cjwatson: at least with some of the msttcorefonts bugs I also saw messages regarding failure to accept the license
[16:13] <ev> but that would likely be offset by the actual wubi code and libraries
[16:13] <ev> as these were just hello world examples
[16:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: categories are just groupings of packages (installer, gnome, etc) on the pkg status pages
[16:13] <slangasek> ok
[16:15] <jhunt> Is there some way we could automatically run "perl -c" on all packages with .p[lm] files in them to avoid bugs like 442941?
[16:16] <slangasek> 50% reduction in new bugs on initramfs-tools - very nice!  Does that have any detectable impact on the rate at which new bugs are being filed?
[16:16] <cjwatson> doing it on all packages would be pretty rough, but you could definitely do it package-by-package
[16:16] <slangasek> ev: heh, 8-10MB handily rules out including it on the CD then, doesn't it
[16:16] <cjwatson> but that's not the problem with 442941
[16:16] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes as I wrote bug patterns to prevent the most commonly reported package installation failures
[16:16] <cjwatson> debconf gives you that error when the other end of what it's talking to went away
[16:16] <ev> slangasek: exactly. Though I am openly wondering how important that is to us.
[16:16] <cjwatson> it's not a compile-time problem
[16:16] <slangasek> ev: I am too :-)
[16:17] <ev> admittedly, all the download managers I've seen (Microsoft's, for example) aren't any bigger than 3 MB or so.
[16:17] <ev> and Wubi is effectively becoming one.
[16:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: is it in the same range of 50% reduction of new bugs being filed?  Or maybe even higher?
[16:17] <ev> with the USB and CD writing.
[16:17]  * slangasek nods
[16:18] <slangasek> cjwatson: is there any sense in the last comment on 442941, claiming that it's related to using a root password vs. sudo?
[16:18] <bdmurray> slangasek: no thinking about it possibly lower due to an apport bug
[16:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, ok
[16:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: it doesn't make sense to me
[16:19] <jhunt> cjwatson: interestingly enough though, "perl -c ...Passthrough.pm still gives warnings on natty (for another included file).
[16:19] <cjwatson> jhunt: yeah, but it doesn't matter
[16:19] <cjwatson> oh, that error is nonsense
[16:19]  * slangasek idly wonders what the old monthly QA reports of Ubuntu bugs over time would show after bdmurray's run of squashing all the biggest duplicate bugs: )
[16:19] <cjwatson> I think
[16:20] <cjwatson> it at least isn't important, since it's only in an error case that hardly ever happens - I'll go have a look and see if it can be squashed though
[16:20] <slangasek> doko is off today; cjwatson?
[16:20] <cjwatson> I need to work on porting debconf's python bits to dh_python2 anyway ...
[16:20] <cjwatson> o
[16:20] <cjwatson> Fixed grub2 to handle encrypted btrfs /.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Fixed parted regression due to Linux 3.0 versioning.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Added BOOTIF= support to netcfg (Canonical support escalation).
[16:20] <cjwatson> Added LightDM support to casper, user-setup, and ubiquity.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Tracked down and fixed a weird dpkg triggers regression.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Completed my work items for foundations-o-wubi - the hard bit was handling non-128 ext3/4 inode sizes.  Maybe with any luck I won't have to look at Wubi for the rest of the cycle? :-)
[16:21] <cjwatson> Worked with Surbhi on D-Bus details for initctl pivot.
[16:21] <cjwatson> Taught the installer to regenerate .pyc files and removed them from live filesystems (13MB or so).  Involved fixing a couple of Python module packages along the way.
[16:21] <cjwatson> Started looking at IPv6 support in netcfg; much of this has been done for Debian, although it hasn't been landed and the developer doing the work has abandoned it, so I'll need to take that over.
[16:21] <cjwatson> --
[16:21] <slangasek> BOOTIF> whooo
[16:22] <barry> cjwatson: py-stuff: \o/
[16:22] <slangasek> wubi - that's the hope at least :), but per ev's report above we're still trying to nail down some of the basics about what we're expecting wubi to be at the end of the cycle that affect what skill set we need in a contractor
[16:22]  * cjwatson nods
[16:22] <cjwatson> I meant more that the rest of the work items are assigned to ev ... :-)
[16:22] <slangasek> my turn then
[16:22] <slangasek> ah :-)
[16:23]  * ev peeks up from under the pile of them
[16:23] <slangasek> - merged dpkg 1.16.0 so packages depending on it for multiarch can be in sync with Debian
[16:23] <slangasek> - introduced a weird dpkg triggers regression that cjwatson tracked down and fixed ;P
[16:23] <cjwatson> heh
[16:24] <slangasek> - merged new upstream util-linux, nobody's come screaming so apparently no regressions in that one
[16:24] <slangasek> - continuing to flush multiarch changes to Debian; ~65 library packages to go
[16:25] <slangasek> - planning to look at the plymouth merge this week, to try to get that in place before the rally
[16:25] <slangasek> EOF
[16:25] <slangasek> stgraber:
[16:25] <stgraber> So, last week: - Discussed arkose quite a bit with some people - Started implementing some extra aufs options into arkose - Proof of concept for firewalling in the containers - Updated my IPv6 test setup - Started looking at what's wrong with dhclient and IPv6
[16:25] <cjwatson> slangasek: incidentally, if you want closure on dpkg, I think the problem was that in dpkg 1.16.0~ubuntu8 the timestamp on trigdeferred.c in the source tarball was older than that on trigdeferred.l, so it got rebuilt, but in <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 they had the same timestamp
[16:25] <stgraber> This week: - Fixed dhclient.conf to work fine with IPv6 - Did some NetworkManager tests with cyphermox, hopefully we'll have IPv6 by default soon - Finally updated sssd to the new upstream release, closing quite a few bugs (version 1.5.8) - Figured out what was wrong with the new nbd in Debian and did the merge in Ubuntu - Had to deal with some abuse on the WebLive servers. Will blog about it soon.
[16:25] <stgraber> Rest of the week: - Patch pilot this afternoon - Some more IPv6 tests - Hopefully a new release of Arkose with some bugfixes. - Friday is public holiday so I'll then see you all in Dublin on Sunday.
[16:25] <stgraber> (done)
[16:26] <stgraber> doh, copy/paste failed
[16:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: right, figured it might be something like that
[16:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: is overlayfs likely to be useful to you?  I noticed apw talking about it recently, and I expect that once overlayfs works for the live CD case they'll be keen to ditch aufs
[16:26] <stgraber> for the long one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/630856/
[16:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, I'll have to look into that, especially to check it supports the same features as aufs
[16:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: as I use some more features than what we use for our livecds (specifically the multiple branch feature)
[16:28] <cjwatson> ah
[16:28] <mvo> last week:
[16:28] <mvo> update-manager: include apt_btrfs_snapshot in the upgrader, check for i8xx PCIIDs and warn on upgrade (LP: 774999)
[16:28] <mvo> software-center: move from restfulclient to piston-mini-client for the SoftwareCenterAgent API calls (took a bit), code cleanup (add SpawnHelper), improve package descriptions parser, review/merge some branches, add htmlize_package_description, debshots: work on multiple screenshots for a single app, add json api for querying availalbe screenshots
[16:28] <mvo> apt: review/sponsor apt natty SRU (#346386), work on libapt-pkg4.10 (with debian)
[16:28] <mvo> apt-btrfs-snapshot: work on benchmarking apt/dpkg on btrfs, add "list-old-than 10d" support to the commandline
[16:28] <mvo> work on  lp:~j-johan-edwards/archive-crawler/near-rewrite
[16:28] <mvo> do a bunch of outstanding merges (and forward patches when appropriate) including aptitude which took a bit
[16:28] <mvo> (done)
[16:28] <mvo> Tomorrow is a public holiday, friday a vacation day for me
[16:28] <mvo> (really done)
[16:29] <barry> mvo: why the move away from restfulclient?
[16:29] <mvo> barry: ISD is using piston-mini-client by default for all their stuff
[16:30] <barry> mvo: ok! thx
[16:30] <mvo> barry: I just follow them here, I don't really strong opionion about it
[16:30] <mvo> only ubuntu sso is using restfulclient currently, once there is the piston api available (I was told soon) that will remove that last bit as well
[16:30] <barry> make sense, since it keeps things in the django house
[16:31] <mvo> yeah
[16:31] <slangasek> django house, a very esoteric musical subgenre
[16:32] <barry> :)
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:32] <slangasek> anything else that's new and groovy?
[16:32] <slangasek> or new and hairy?
[16:35] <slangasek> same ol', same ol', apparently :)
[16:35] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:35.
[16:35] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[16:35] <mvo> thanks
[16:35] <jhunt> thanks
[16:35] <stgraber> thanks
[16:35] <barry> thanks!
[16:37] <mvo> while reviewing the new app-install-data stuff I noticed we have a "beer brewing calculator" now … impressive, category is Engineering
[16:37] <ScottK> Seems right.
[16:37]  * mvo is impressed it even has a database with different recipes
[16:38] <mvo> … now we only need something like this for green tea too
[17:59]  * patrickmw waves
[18:00] <patrickmw> few more minutes :)
[18:00] <jibel> \o
[18:00] <patrickmw> nm, its 1700 utc now :) hello jibel
[18:00] <jibel> Hey patrickmw
[18:01] <patrickmw> #startmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is patrickmw.
[18:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <patrickmw> Agenda:
[18:01] <patrickmw> Previous Actions (all)
[18:01] <patrickmw> bdmurray furhter research into the quantity of bug reports containing workarounds
[18:01] <patrickmw> Community Efforts/Testing
[18:01] <patrickmw> Automated/Systems Testing
[18:01] <patrickmw> Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:01]  * charlie-tca is in awe; the meeting page actually works
[18:01] <patrickmw> Other Topics
[18:01] <patrickmw> Chair Selection
[18:01] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Previous Actions
[18:01] <patrickmw> bdmurray?
[18:01] <bdmurray> patrickmw: I did it let me find that email
[18:02] <patrickmw> we'll come right back to you
[18:02] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Efforts/Testing
[18:02] <bdmurray> \o
[18:02] <bdmurray> o/
[18:03] <patrickmw> that was quick
[18:03] <bdmurray> so initially I'd said about 720 bug reports had workarounds in the description
[18:03] <bdmurray> come to find out my search was case sensitive and its more like 10,000
[18:04] <bdmurray> In all fairness the documentation does say to use WORKAROUND
[18:05] <jibel> bdmurray, it that opened bug reports only or fixed as well ?
[18:05] <bdmurray> regardless workarounds have been documented a fair bit and these should be communicated more and better
[18:05] <bdmurray> jibel: all bugs
[18:05] <jibel> bdmurray, k
[18:06] <bdmurray> patrickmw: that's it
[18:07] <patrickmw> thank you, bdmurray.  back to community efforts
[18:07] <patrickmw> pedro_, jibel?
[18:07] <jibel> SRU testing
[18:08] <jibel> Over the past week 874 packages have been published to stable releases
[18:08] <jibel> The complete list is available at
[18:08] <jibel> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sru/latest.html
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sru/latest.html
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 832 packages have been published to natty
[18:08] <jibel>   * 4 packages published to natty-updates: foo2zjs, icedtea-web, sandboxgamemaker, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:08] <jibel>   * 805 packages published to natty-security: firefox, 794 languages packs, flashplugin-nonfree,libvirt, libxml2, mozvoikko, nagios3, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, tgt, ubufox, webfav
[18:08] <jibel>   * 23 packages published to natty-proposed: bindwood, byobu, bzr, curl, deja-dup, evince, firefox, fpc, gecko-mediaplayer, gxine, kde4libs, kdeutils, linux-firmware, moon, mozvoikko, ntp, oss4, quickly, software-center, unity, vlc, webfav, whois
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 17 packages have been published to maverick
[18:08] <jibel>   * 2 packages published to maverick-updates: grub2, lupin
[18:08] <jibel>   * 11 packages published to maverick-security: ejabberd, firefox, flashplugin-nonfree, libvirt, libxml2, nagios3, nbd, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, tgt, xulrunner-1.9.2
[18:08] <jibel>   * 4 packages published to maverick-proposed: byobu, fpc, openssh, software-center
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 23 packages have been published to lucid
[18:08] <jibel>   * 6 packages published to lucid-updates: dkms, dovecot, grub2, language-pack-gnome-fr, lupin, sysvinit
[18:08] <jibel>   * 11 packages published to lucid-security: ejabberd, firefox, flashplugin-nonfree, libvirt, libxml2, nagios3, nbd, nginx, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, xulrunner-1.9.2
[18:08] <jibel>   * 6 packages published to lucid-proposed: byobu, debian-installer, fpc, linux, netcfg, openssh
[18:09] <jibel> * A total of 2 packages have been published to hardy-security: libxml2, nbd
[18:09] <jibel> Thanks to everyone who helped with testing.
[18:09] <jibel> micahg, sent a call for testing for firefox in Natty
[18:11] <jibel> Next Oneiric milestone is in 2 weeks, but you can test daily builds until then.
[18:11] <jibel> and that's all for today
[18:11] <jibel> pedro_, ? any news on bugdays ?
[18:11] <pedro_> Hello, Yes!
[18:11] <pedro_> there's a bug day being organized for tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110623
[18:12] <pedro_> Unity is the target , so if you use Oneiric and want to contribute a little to make Unity rock please join us
[18:12] <pedro_> as always the *whole* day your timezone at #ubuntu-bugs
[18:12] <pedro_> ..
[18:13] <patrickmw> thanks, guys
[18:13] <patrickmw> [Automated/Systems Testing]
[18:13] <patrickmw> boo
[18:13] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> = What was done last week =
[18:13] <patrickmw> The Automation Sprint was productive and we have been able to set goals for Oneiric and beyond. The three highest priority testing items:
[18:13] <patrickmw> * ISO server and EC2 image testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Kernel SRU testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Installer testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> Other projects:
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Public Jenkins viewing instance
[18:13] <patrickmw> * testing notifications mailing list
[18:13] <patrickmw> * ISO server tests have been migrated to the new lab
[18:13] <patrickmw> = What's happening this week =
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Running the tests for all images is now 8x faster.  The CPU load on the system averaged around 30%.  The current bottleneck is IO.  Once we get the new drives added we should see increased performance.
[18:13] <patrickmw> * EC2 access has been configured and we will be setting up EC2 tests
[18:13] <patrickmw> * The kernel sru testing project is undergoing modifications to prepare for Alpha 2 kernel testing
[18:14] <patrickmw> = What we need to move forward =
[18:14] <patrickmw> * Awaiting new hardware for Installer test environment
[18:14] <patrickmw> Questions?
[18:14] <jibel> o/
[18:14] <patrickmw> yes?
[18:15] <jibel> not a question, just some infos about Wubi testing
[18:16] <jibel> Some good progress this week, I added a noninteractive mode to Wubi and I'm now able to run a wubi installation completely automatically.
[18:16] <jibel> I expect to finish the automated tests of Wubi tomorrow after some polishing and testing.
[18:16] <jibel> Some details still remains like selecting Ubuntu by default before reboot then back to windows by default for next run,
[18:16] <jibel> switching the default windows user to auto login,
[18:16] <jibel> how to start a jenkins job in Windows and report the results from Ubuntu
[18:16] <jibel> and how to remove all those Ads installed by default on Windows and which pop up continuously during the test run
[18:17] <jibel> I hope we'll be able to add the test machine to the automated test run next week. We have to figure
[18:17] <jibel> remove the "We have to figure" c/p error
[18:18] <jibel> This doesn't replace what ev plan to do with kvm autotest of course
[18:18] <jibel> ..
[18:18] <patrickmw> awesome!
[18:19] <patrickmw> unless there is anything else we're moving on in 3
[18:19] <patrickmw> 2
[18:19] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:19] <patrickmw> who wants to start?
[18:20] <bdmurray> \o/
[18:20] <patrickmw> go, sir!
[18:20] <bdmurray> updated grab-attachments in ubuntu-dev-tools to grab all attachments for a package's bugs
[18:20] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in initramfs-tools by ~50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/initramfs-tools
[18:21] <bdmurray> some details at http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=104
[18:21] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in msttcorefonts by >50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/msttcorefonts
[18:21] <bdmurray> looked into some debconf package install failures bug 442941
[18:22] <bdmurray> I added in some additional foundations packages to the package status pages
[18:22] <bdmurray> . done .
[18:22] <patrickmw> danke
[18:23] <jibel> bdmurray, that's fantastic. I think bug 349469 could benefit of your magic too.
[18:23] <patrickmw> pedro_, any updates for Desktop?
[18:23] <jibel> there are quite a bunch
[18:23] <pedro_> patrickmw, nope , the bug day was my item for it and already covered
[18:23] <bdmurray> jibel: thanks I've seen some of those but hadn't looked for the master yet
[18:23] <patrickmw> great. did I miss anyone?
[18:24] <patrickmw> not sure if jibel or hggdh have updates this section
[18:25] <jibel> nothing from me.
[18:25] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Topics
[18:25] <patrickmw> open floor
[18:25] <bdmurray> \o
[18:26] <patrickmw> bdmurray, go ahead :) - your arm must be tired
[18:26] <bdmurray> As a general statement bug patterns can be really really helpful for consolidation duplicate bug reports and preventing further bug reports.
[18:27] <bdmurray> I've seen some cases where people have been manually marking duplicates for bugs reported by apport where a pattern would have made things a lot easier for them.
[18:27] <bdmurray> ..
[18:27] <patrickmw> bdmurray: is there a list on the wiki of common bug patterns?
[18:27] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Bug_patterns
[18:27] <patrickmw> there ya go peeps
[18:28] <jibel> bdmurray, will you give a session about bug patterns at next udw ?
[18:28] <bdmurray> jibel: when is that again?
[18:28] <jibel> in 3 weeks iircs
[18:29] <jibel> 11th July
[18:29] <jibel> to 15th
[18:29] <bdmurray> jibel: okay signing up
[18:29] <patrickmw> thanks again, bdmurray. any other topics?
[18:29] <jibel> or more generally how to take advantage of bug patterns, grab-attachment and other lp tools
[18:30] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[18:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair Selection
[18:30] <patrickmw> jibel?
[18:30] <hggdh> sorry, was out on a medical procedure, and am still groggy
[18:31] <jibel> Sure, I'll chair next meeting.
[18:31] <patrickmw> jibel, thank you very much
[18:31] <jibel> yw
[18:31] <patrickmw> #endmeeting
[18:31] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:31.
[18:32] <jibel> Thanks for chairing patrickmw
[18:32] <pedro_> thanks
[18:32] <patrickmw> my pleasure
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks for chairing, patrickmw


[00:00] <Azelphur> what's the major changes? I'm still on 11.10
[00:00] <popey> surprised how well it runs on these eee 900s
[00:00] <popey> oooh family guy
[00:13] <bigcalm> I'm home alone for the weekend. It's odd being in bed without Hayley here
[00:13] <bigcalm> Lulling myself to sleep with some QIXL
[00:34] <popey> nn  bigcalm
[00:34] <popey> wifey has gone out for the night, i may do the same
[00:34] <bigcalm> nighty
[08:29] <jacobw> morning
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:39] <AlanBell> morning
[09:40] <MooDoo> morning alan
[10:02] <christel> morning :)
[10:04] <MooDoo> morning christel
[10:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> hi brobostigon
[10:36] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:52] <popey> morning
[10:52] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:52] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hello there :) how's your day going?
[10:54] <brobostigon> MooDoo: nothing much upto now, just playing some minetest, and thinking about the pub this afternoon and sitting in the sun. and you?
[10:54] <MooDoo> working lol
[10:54] <brobostigon> :(
[10:55] <brobostigon> no sitting in the sun, at the pub, :(
[10:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: nope working this weekend and next
[10:56] <daubers> Morning
[10:56] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[10:56] <MooDoo> yeah
[10:56] <brobostigon> morning daubers
[11:14] <popey> gord: I might take a couple of gamecube controllers and usb adapters, hdmi and displayport adapter so we can play some mame stuff in the rooms ☺
[11:24] <gord> niiice :D
[11:44] <popey> wonder if I can get 4 controllers and then do 4 player gauntlet or super sprint
[11:45] <gord> x220 only has three usb ports - can bring a spare gamecube controller though
[11:45] <popey> i have a usb hub
[11:46] <popey> good tip!
[11:46] <popey> wish the wavebird worked with the usb adapter but it doesnt
[11:46] <popey> never quite figured out why
[12:10] <SuperEngineer> o?
[12:10] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:22] <SuperEngineer> Been asked if I want to buy PC [spec as per http://paste.ubuntu.com/878802/] but seller doesn't know what price to charge [I *am* a friend which it's awkward I suppose].
[12:22] <SuperEngineer>  What would be a *fair* price to offer him?  Ideas?
[12:24] <popey> SuperEngineer: offer 50 quid and see what he says?
[12:24] <SuperEngineer> I did just that - he grimaced.- My instinct says £80 - but - heck - it *is* *my* wallet! :)
[12:25] <SuperEngineer> [[but I'm glad we agrred on my initial offer popey
[12:26] <popey> my usual way to deal with this is look at how much they go for on ebay, take away postal cost..
[12:26] <popey> i.e. look at completed auctions only
[12:27] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - good idea, thanks
[12:31] <SuperEngineer> ebay stuff seems to be £80 or there abouts... so that's my *fair* offer methinks - thanks popey
[12:36] <Laney> SHORTS DAY!
[13:07] <SuperEngineer> Currently listening to http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/fricomedy/fricomedy_20120309-1900a.mp3 - worth it even if just to learn about the nuclear ducks ;)
[13:08] <penguin42> Laney: The clothing or the class of drinks?
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> yes :)
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> ...can't wait for Bikini day !
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> [but *not* me!]
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: but.. but.. YOU PROMISED
[13:20] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: doh!
[13:20] <SuperEngineer> - if you insist
[13:21]  * SuperEngineer rushes to shops to buy his first bikini
[13:26] <MooDoo> ewwwwwwwwww lol
[13:45] <directhex> SuperEngineer: link no worky
[13:45] <directhex> Laney: no shorts. i am PAINTING today!
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Most great painters drank a lot
[13:52] <SuperEngineer> directhex: whoops - link worky goody - if you remove the "]", I didn't put a space after the address & the bracket!  double doh!
[13:53] <SuperEngineer> directhex:  for what it's worth... http://paste.ubuntu.com/878802/
[14:02] <OmNomDePlume> MartijnVdS, what do you think of Royston Drenthe?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> OmNomDePlume: who what?
[14:06] <OmNomDePlume> MartijnVdS, aren't you Dutch?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> yes.. and I know where Drenthe is.. but "Royston"?
[14:07] <SuperEngineer> wha-hooo-aaah - wha-hooo-aaah...  stereotype alert
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> Ah he's some kind of football player. I have NO idea :)
[14:08] <OmNomDePlume> I thought all Dutch people knew all Dutch footballers.
[14:08]  * OmNomDePlume 's mind is blown
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[14:11] <OmNomDePlume> Jajajajaja.
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> Time for fresh tea
[14:16] <bigcalm> Hello, he..
[14:16] <bigcalm> llo
[15:34] <SuperEngineer> gosh it's quiet - guess they're all out trying out their new bikinis
[15:49] <OmNomDePlume> Mankinis, surely? This place is a sausagefest.
[15:51] <directhex> ... so?
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> As if men can't wear bikinis!
[15:51] <directhex> or tankinis
[15:51] <directhex> or one-piece swimsuits
[15:53] <cotterall> my sausage was shot off in the war
[15:53] <christel> that must have hurt
[15:53] <MartijnVdS> cotterall: Which one?
[15:54] <christel> which war or which chipolata? :p
[15:54] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[15:55] <cotterall> christel: :)
[15:55] <christel> AlanBell: IT IS A SUNNY DAY WHY ARE WE NOT IN A PUB GARDEN?
[15:56] <christel> (i figure he is more likely to respond if i caps)
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> christel: maybe he is
[15:56] <MooDoo> i'm no
[15:56] <MooDoo> not
[15:56] <christel> MartijnVdS: he probably is, trying to avoid me :(
[15:56] <MooDoo> christel: avoid you?  never ;)
[15:57] <christel> :P
[15:57] <MooDoo> christel: love you really xx
[15:57] <christel> aww i love you too!
[15:57] <MooDoo> :D
[15:59] <christel> \o/
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: because some of us have had to "promise" to catch up on outstanding admin - including e.g. expiredv security clearance [whoops]
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> Just realised the similarity between my boss, his boss- and a monkey: when shouted at, they take it out on everybody else [& whine as well!]
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> [Darwin was right]
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> re my last: [for AlanB... read christel  as addressee
[16:06]  * SuperEngineer dreams of sunny pub garden whilst looking at boring security clearance renewal
[16:16] <andylockran> hey all
[16:16] <andylockran> This ubuntu for android - when is a beta around / available ?
[16:17] <andylockran> I'm looking to get a tablet in a few weeks, any recommendations ?
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> Make sure it runs ICS
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> (or has an update coming)
[16:22] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: I have ICS on teh Samsung S2 - will that be compatible also
[16:22] <andylockran> Where do you find this info?
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: On the googles :)
[16:22] <andylockran> :(
[16:22] <andylockran> my google skills must be faltering
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> Xoom will get ICS, for example
[16:23] <AlanBell> christel: hi
[16:24] <AlanBell> so, with rhythmbox, how do I sync an existing iPod without trashing all the stuff on it?
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> You don't sync it, you drag new stuff to it?
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> You can copy everything on the ipod to your library, then turn syncing on.. ?
[16:26] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: Can you provide a link please?
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: well there's http://blogs.computerworld.com/19341/android_40_upgrade_list
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> which seems to be up to date to Thursday at least :)
[16:31] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: meant about the andrubuntu thingy..
[16:32] <andylockran> http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: ah, sorry, didn't know you meant that :)
[18:04] <christel> SuperEngineer: awww
[18:04] <christel> AlanBell: :D
[18:06] <SuperEngineer> ..& for those who forgot:  Happy [60th] Birthday… and, sadly, R.I.P,  Douglas Adams  - long live HHGTTG
[18:11] <christel> :)
[18:41] <andylockran> thanks for all the ghoti
[18:48]  * penguin42 hands SuperEngineer a pangalactic gargleblaster
[18:50] <DJones> Evening all
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:   wot - no peanuts?
[18:56]  * SuperEngineer cuddles towel
[19:15] <penguin42> it's good to know where your towel is
[19:33] <popey> andylockran: no
[19:35]  * bigcalm peeps in
[19:35] <bigcalm> Peep peep
[19:36] <Azelphur> Anyone noticing issues with namecheap today?
[19:36] <Azelphur> my domain (azelphur.com) only seems to resolve intermittently
[19:48] <stevepdp> it's not just you Azelphur.
[19:48] <stevepdp> they were the victims of a DDoS attack.
[19:48] <Azelphur> oh, where's the news about that?
[19:48] <Azelphur> I looked around on twitter and stuff and saw nothing
[19:48] <stevepdp> http://twitter.com/namecheap
[19:49] <stevepdp> "Our DNS was hit by a large DDoS attack causing some delays in response time. This has been mitigated and DNS will return to normal soon."
[19:49] <Azelphur> ah
[19:58] <daubers> Evening
[20:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road/Bracknell  10th/11th March - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=127
[21:15] <dwatkins> I gather pastebin was DDoS'ed recently.
[21:15] <dwatkins> [again]
[21:18] <OmNomDePlume> What would anybody have against Pastebin?
[21:18] <lazarus_> why pastebin lol
[21:19] <OmNomDePlume> Maybe pastebin.ca has beef with pastebin.com?
[21:31] <dwatkins> yeah, I thought the same - in fact, I even said as much on twitter, and had a very brief reply from someone directing me to a shady website about it
[21:37] <AlanBell> isn't that one of the fave communication methods of anonymous?
[21:38] <AlanBell> stick at statement on pastebin and tweet the URL
[21:39] <dwatkins> effectively DDoSing them?
[21:44] <AlanBell> dunno really, I was just suggesting a reason someone might have something against a pastebin operator
[21:47] <dwatkins> ah yes, I see what you mean AlanBell
[21:58] <StevenR> hrrmph. I want a better way of listening to music, so I can store it all on my big box, and listen to it via whatever, and control it via whatever... I've installed mpd, but I can't find a suitable client.
[21:58] <dwatkins> I hear ncmpcpp is good, StevenR.
[22:00] <dwatkins> AlanBell: the blog which I was directed to back when pastebin got DDoSed last July has been deleted.
[22:00] <StevenR> dwatkins: thanks, but that only solves the control part... I want a way to listen to it too
[22:00] <dwatkins> StevenR: oh, I thought that also played what you selected
[22:01] <StevenR> dwatkins: oh.. it can recieve the mpd stream too?
[22:02] <dwatkins> StevenR: I don't know, sorry
[22:30] <AlanBell> StevenR: there is tangarine which is a mono based server thing that goes with banshee
[22:31] <AlanBell> there is another one which I got working with rhythmbox
[22:32] <gordonjcp> StevenR: I used to use banshee and minidlna
[22:32] <gordonjcp> but rhythmbox doesn't support dlna
[22:32] <gordonjcp> that's okay though, since it doesn't support mp3 or ogg playback either
[22:33] <gordonjcp> so now I just use djmount and audacious