[04:19] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?  i've tried looking at a wiki forum, but can't seen anything about blank login screens.
[04:19] <markuman> plagerism, thx!!!
[04:19] <plagerism> markuman your welcome
[04:20] <LinuxJones> lawman, your screen goes black or locks up ?
[04:20] <nicc> lawman, you get the console? just X isnt working?
[04:20] <heze> lawman, umm, do you get a text login if you ctrl+alt+f1?
[04:20] <membreya> gah ..damn computer..only EVER freezes when I use my internet browser... I think it has to do with the fact that I'm running reiserfs
[04:20] <lawman> it goes black.
[04:20] <lawman> doesn't lock up
[04:20] <membreya> will go back to ext3 when I get my 200gb
[04:20] <lawman> if i try to power off. the black gui screen disappears to the txt screen
[04:20] <lawman> and i see a login prompt
[04:20] <lawman> and things powering off
[04:20] <nicc> membreya, strange
[04:20] <heze> membreya, which version of reiser are you running?
[04:21] <membreya> 3.6
[04:21] <nicc> lawman, it powers of alone?
[04:21] <jalal_ubuntu> anyone know how to configure ?
[04:21] <lawman> no.  if i press power button.  i get console. when X starts, it becomes black.
[04:21] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu I know how to configure
[04:21] <LinuxJones> lawman, at the text login screen hit ctrl+alt+F2
[04:22] <lawman> ok.  and that will fix it?
[04:22] <lawman> i'll try a reboot now and report feedback. thx.
[04:22] <madstop> hey folks.  I'm about to install kde through synaptic, but I'm getting dire warnings that the software "can't be authenticated".  What's that about?
[04:22] <nicc> not really but it'll be a good start
[04:22] <electricwheels> Good Day All :)
[04:22] <nicc> madstop, it isnt from official repo
[04:22] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, plz which command i'll use ?
[04:23] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu ./configure
[04:23] <jsgotangco> greetings
[04:23] <madstop> These are marked "supported" by ubuntu, nicc
[04:23] <heze> anyone know why the nvidia kernel modules doesn't load up automatically for me? (hoary, 2.6.10-5-k7)? i have to manually load it first.
[04:23] <nicc> madstop, you get it from the right repo?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> lawman, no we going to try to fix it for you
[04:23] <PacoBCN> heze, is in the modules list?
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i'm talkin about sound configuration
[04:24] <heze> pacobcn, the what? :)
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get no sound
[04:24] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: alsa or oss??
[04:24] <PacoBCN> heze, type "vi /etc/modules"
[04:24] <madstop> main repo, nicc
[04:24] <LinuxJones> heze, install the 2.6.10-4-k7 kernel-image and  use that kernel
[04:24] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism dunno i'm a newbie :)
[04:24] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know a good site for sucking up time while waiting for a download?
[04:24] <heze> linuxjones, isn't that one broken?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> heze, the 2.6.10-5-k7 + nvidia have problems for some of us :(
[04:25] <plagerism> jalal_ubnutu: what does lsmod|grep snd show??
[04:25] <LinuxJones> heze, no I am running it right now
[04:25] <heze> i'm running it fine after modprobing it manually
[04:25] <goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
[04:25] <nicc> no
[04:25] <LinuxJones> heze, I still can't run it as of last night
[04:25] <madstop> the kde files I'm referring to are all marked with ubuntu logo.
[04:26] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it worke in the live cd version but not when i installed
[04:26] <heze> pacobcn, thanks.
[04:26] <LinuxJones> goxy, what's wrong ?
[04:27] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: does `lsmod|grep snd` show anything??
[04:27] <madstop> I googled, but found nothing on this.  damn, probably should do an update first then check...
[04:27] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, wait
[04:27] <PacoBCN> heze, solved?
[04:27] <heze> pacobcn, will see in 20 mins when i get to reboot
[04:28] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes
[04:28] <nicc> the terminal in synaptic is totally black
[04:28] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism can i paste it in private
[04:28] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: have you tried using the sound mixer to control volume??
[04:28] <nicc> it should show software being installed
[04:28] <goxy> i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
[04:28] <plagerism> jalal_ubunut: I dont know what it means I just know it should be there
[04:28] <PacoBCN> heze, ok
[04:29] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes all voume are up
[04:29] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart`
[04:29] <KudDa> how do i install mplayer on warty ... any apt-get command i can use?
[04:30] <LinuxJones> KudDa, search the website for restricted formats
[04:30] <madstop> nicc, sometimes in that black terminal, you just have to scroll way down till you see some messages.
[04:30] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, ok
[04:31] <nicc> madstop, oops too late. I didnt try that
[04:31] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: no error messages??
[04:31] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: check to see if esd is running. `ps -ef |grep esd`
[04:32] <SeeleyUSMC> Any recommended things I should look for after install of ubuntu?  Remember, I'm new, so ANY suggestions are thanked.
[04:32] <electricwheels> I have a problem with GRUB not booting my Windows XP .  In the menu.lst the entry for booting windows xp was "root  (hd0,0)", I was told by one of the people on here to change it to "rootnoverify  (hd0,0) so I did.  Now when I want to boot windows it just lists the commands and nothing else happens, compared to me getting an error message before the change. The rest of the commands are savedefault makeactive chainloader +1.  Wh
[04:32] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, jalal    20475     1  0 14:50 ?        00:00:03 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps  -as 2 -spawnfd 17
[04:32] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still no sound
[04:32] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: kill it ``kill -9 20475`
[04:33] <LinuxJones> electricwheels, I don't run windows but I am sure someone could post their menu.lst file to pastebin.ca for you
[04:33] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and ?
[04:33] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu:  try something to see if you get sound
[04:33] <nicc> rhythmbox and muine are still fucked up
[04:34] <electricwheels> That would be great if someone could do that for me.. :)
[04:34] <nicc> I need to know if I'm alone, or if these are real bugs
[04:34] <spenser> Does the kubuntu live cd have an install to HD option?
[04:34] <thenuke> spenser: no
[04:34] <heze> electricwheels, i'll do
[04:34] <LinuxJones> spenser, no
[04:34] <spenser> thenuke:  ugh. thanks
[04:34] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, still nothing xmms goes too fast
[04:34] <nicc> because I couldnt find anything about it on google and bugzilla
[04:34] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, and i have no soud
[04:35] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: try something more simple, try mpg123 <sound file>
[04:35] <imnes> I'm going through a fresh install right now of Warty, if I'm going to immediately upgrade to Hoary do I need to let the installer of Warty go online and download additional packages at the end of the installation or can I skip that?
[04:35] <heze> electricwheels, http://pastebin.com/260179
[04:35] <KudDa> i got all the file needed from mplayer page ... codec and tars ... i tried to follow instruction in there ... i end up reinstalling my ubuntu ...
[04:35] <imnes> If I skip that, once I change my repos and issue a dist-upgrade will it still grab all those packages that I skipped in the installer?
[04:35] <KudDa> any simple way?
[04:36] <nicc> imnes, why dont u do a hoary install?
[04:36] <rvirani> How come the CD-ripper wont rip MP3 files
[04:36] <madstop> nicc -- yep, I just needed to update, and the security warnings went away for kde...
[04:36] <rvirani> its kind of flippin useless
[04:36] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothing
[04:36] <imnes> nicc: don't have a hoary disk right now.
[04:36] <LinuxJones> KudDa, you add the mirilat repository
[04:36] <nicc> madstop, ?
[04:36] <plagerism> jalal_ubunutu: does the output of mpg123 give you any hints??
[04:37] <jalal_ubuntu> cant find the command
[04:37] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, cant find the command
[04:37] <rvirani> do you need that to rip MP3s?
[04:37] <rvirani> why isnt it there by default
[04:37] <rvirani> seems really stupid...
[04:37] <Sonium> hi, is there a ubuntu version with german translation?
[04:37] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `apt-get install mpg123`
[04:37] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg123`
[04:37] <madstop> nicc, I was complaining about non-authenticated kde packages in synaptic...
[04:37] <Sonium> my grandmother doesn't speak english very well ;)
[04:38] <nicc> madstop, ho yes :)
[04:38] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone here know if limewire works with ubuntu?
[04:38] <Bauhn> I have installed ubuntu today, and now i'm trying to get internet working. I have wireless internet and my network card is D-Link DWL-122. My problem is that when i'm in the wireless-network-configuration i cant find a "unit" (don't know what it says in the english version). anyone who can help me with configuring my network card/ubuntu?
[04:38] <electricwheels> what is pastebin.com ??
[04:38] <nicc> madstop, all fine then
[04:38] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, it says no packhe contains this name
[04:39] <SeeleyUSMC> 4 minutes to burn time
[04:39] <Sonium> Bauhn: D-Link sucks hard on linux, i don't think that there is a driver for your card
[04:39] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: oh `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
[04:39] <SeeleyUSMC> Sonium: what is the best wireless card for linux then?
[04:39] <Bauhn> Sonium the bad news is that i dont have/can get another for a while ;P
[04:39] <KudDa> "...you add the mirilat repository" ... ??? im lost ... i'm not that good at linux :P
[04:40] <heze> isn't there the windows driver wrapper for linux to help that wlan thing?
[04:40] <Sonium> SeeleyUSMC: everything that uses a common chipset like prism
[04:40] <madstop> yep, here comes kde; just wish I knew which of these hundreds of packages I'm supposed to install -- I suppose "kde base" is a reasonable guess, eh? :) noob here
[04:40] <SeeleyUSMC> Well Atheros uses a commen chipset right?
[04:40] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, are u there ?
[04:40] <Sonium> think so
[04:41] <Bauhn> heze msg me if you find it
[04:41] <nicc> I think prism is better, but it needs a firmware
[04:41] <geneo93> madstop:  just kde and that gives you all you need
[04:41] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: yes the packages is mpg321, not mpg123
[04:41] <LinuxJones> electricwheels, it's a place where you can paste text temporarily for others to see.
[04:41] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: so `sudo apt-get install mpg321`
[04:41] <nicc> anyway my prism54 is still a lot better than my atheros card
[04:41] <Sonium> Bauhn: http://julian.coccia.com/blog/index.php?p=53&more=1
[04:41] <goxy> anybody helps me with intel 536 on ubuntu 5.04
[04:42] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, nothnig still unreachebale
[04:42] <heze> bauhn, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[04:42] <LinuxJones> goxy, what's the problem ?
[04:42] <Bauhn> Sonium thanks!
[04:42] <Bauhn> heze ok, thx
[04:42] <plagerism> jalal_ubunutu, you dont have a network connection on your box??
[04:42] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, yes i have it
[04:42] <PacoBCN> I'm convincing people in Nicotine channels to use Ubuntu... kinda priest of Linux...
[04:43] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, i get that : Aucun paquet ne correspond au paquet mpg321
[04:43] <luiz_> I recived ubuntu from a friend here in Brasil, but when I triede to start the live cd it did't recognized my geforce 4 mx. How can i sove the problem?
[04:43] <madstop> geneo93, believe it or not, I don't see any "just kde" packages here -- unless you mean all this stuff with the languages listed; I thought all that was documentation
[04:44] <goxy> LinuxJones:i compile module insert it into kernel make links but this piece off not work
[04:44] <geneo93> madstop:  all i did was apt-get install kde
[04:44] <plagerism> okay jalal_ubuntu: just try cat /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events/activate.wav>/dev/dsp
[04:44] <LinuxJones> goxy, what module are you trying to compile ?
[04:44] <electricwheels> ok well I have checked my menu.lst against the one that you sent me and they are both the same but when I use mine I get the error filesystem type unknown partition type 0x7 ....
[04:44] <apokryphos> madstop: what are you trying to do?
[04:45] <madstop> well, that's what I'll do to geneo93 -- thanks!
[04:45] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, any sound??
[04:45] <goxy> LinuxJones:i compile driver from tha intel site
[04:45] <madstop> "do too"
[04:45] <LinuxJones> goxy, for what device ?
[04:45] <goxy> LinuxJones: modem Intel536
[04:45] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  no  :(
[04:45] <Bauhn> Sonium i suck on linux and don't understand much from that text.. do i have to download a kernel update, or what's it saying?
[04:45] <geneo93> madstop:  np
[04:46] <goxy> this module works on other distros with 2.6 kernel
[04:46] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu: just a hunch but ps -ef |grep esd again
[04:46] <LinuxJones> goxy, do you have build-essential installed ?
[04:46] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism,  i got nothing
[04:46] <Sonium> Bauhn: you probably have to compile a kernel yourself
[04:46] <goxy> LinuxJones: jes
[04:47] <madstop> apokryphos, just installing kde.  Synaptic is confusing me; not sure which package I should install first.
[04:47] <plagerism> jalal_ubuntu, perhaps I am not the best to help you then, that is as far as my knowledge goes
[04:47] <goxy> and module compiles
[04:47] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell madstop ubukde
[04:47] <Pyre> madstop: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[04:47] <LinuxJones> goxy, does it spit out any errors ?
[04:47] <Bauhn> Sonium ohfuck, i dont know a shit about compiling kernels ;P
[04:47] <Yobui> hi i know this is kinda offtopic, but i'm kinda desperate :), do you know where can I find a good explanation of copy-on-write pages for linux? (especially regarding fork() speedups?)
[04:47] <jalal_ubuntu> plagerism, is there an utility to configure the sound card like snd-sonfig ?
[04:47] <madstop> thank you both!
[04:47] <goxy> nothing speccially
[04:48] <goxy> same as in other distros
[04:48] <goxy> evrithing looks good
[04:48] <LinuxJones> goxy, do you have to run depmod for the system to find the new module ?
[04:48] <madstop> (er, is Pyre the designated rtfm guy?)
[04:48] <goxy> no
[04:49] <Sonium> Bauhn: hrm, you better ask in one of the ubuntu forums
[04:49] <goxy> but i insert the module
[04:49] <LinuxJones> goxy, mmm I wish I could help
[04:49] <Bauhn> Sonium ok, but anyway. thanks for the help
[04:49] <LinuxJones> goxy, it errors out when you try to load it ?
[04:49] <goxy> dmesg
[04:49] <stodge> Does kubuntu have anti-aliased fonts?
[04:49] <goxy> nothing
[04:49] <Sonium> Bauhn: the problem is, i never used ubuntu so I can't tell you e.g. where to place the compiled kernel
[04:49] <apokryphos> stodge: yes
[04:49] <sabmoc> stodge, yes
[04:50] <stodge> Ok -the screenshots I saw didn't look like it does
[04:50] <stodge> :P
[04:50] <apokryphos> stodge: in the preview it didn't by default I think, though.
[04:50] <heze> sonium, /boot is a good place :)
[04:50] <stodge> Ah ok
[04:50] <stodge> Anyone using it?
[04:50] <apokryphos> stodge: yup :). See also #kubuntu
[04:50] <heze> sonium, then again it might be a good idea to build up a .deb of the new kernel(+modules), dunno how to do that tho :P
[04:50] <stodge> Ah will do!
[04:50] <PlasmaPain> what is the partition program in ubuntu ?
[04:50] <madstop> good morning, sabmoc.  or evening, or whatever applies
[04:50] <nicc> what do u prefer between hoary and warty?
[04:50] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, what's not working ?
[04:50] <sabmoc> madstop, almost 8am thanks
[04:51] <apokryphos> nicc: vast majority here using hoary
[04:51] <goxy> wvdial says no modem
[04:51] <geneo93> SeeleyUSMC:  best way to learn is to have a totally broken system
[04:51] <goxy> /dev/modem
[04:51] <LinuxJones> goxy, you get errors when you try to load the module ?
[04:51] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, do you mean a desktop tool, or an command line tool?
[04:51] <goxy> no
[04:51] <Sonium> looks like moste ubuntu users are absolutly linux newbs
[04:51] <LinuxJones> goxy, it jsut doesn't work ?
[04:51] <PlasmaPain> i mean a partition tool
[04:51] <sabmoc> Sonium, ahem
[04:51] <goxy> yes
[04:51] <madstop> nicc, for me, the nice thing is, gnome panels aren't crashing anymore!
[04:52] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes, a partition tool for the desktop, or a command line partition tool?
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Well, it would be really nice if I could get a connection to the internet so I can stop switching between my partitions to access the net and then test something out, find out it doesn't work, then have to boot back to windows again...
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> painful
[04:52] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, you have a wireless card ?
[04:52] <goxy> in addition it works on fedora,mdk,slack,vector,windovs
[04:52] <nicc> its still way too bugged for me
[04:52] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: You could use gparted.
[04:52] <madstop> and the menus are more sensible, and firefox is more up to date, etc etc
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> cfdisk
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> I'll be back in a bit.  Going to install Hoary.
[04:52] <PlasmaPain> and what else ?
[04:52] <goxy> knoppix
[04:52] <SeeleyUSMC> LinuxJones: Yes.  An Atheros a/b/g internal to my laptop
[04:52] <heze> pacobcn, yeah that fixed the nvidia problem. i wonder if i should've run some cmd after upgrading the kernel to get nvidia "enabled" again :o can't recall the command tho.
[04:52] <apokryphos> nicc: what's the problem? I've experienced about two bugs, and they were a long time ago.
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> HOARY
[04:53] <Sonium> so, back to my question: are there any localisation efforts on ubuntu?
[04:53] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, let me see what i can find
[04:53] <nicc> apokryphos, u must be lucky
[04:53] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: parted, qtparted, fdisk.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> heze, now it's loading the module, right?
[04:53] <heze> pacobcn, yeah
[04:53] <apokryphos> nicc: I don't think so; bugs in here seem scarce.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> heze, you can try to see if it's enabled or not
[04:53] <nicc> apokryphos, scarce?
[04:53] <PlasmaPain> no cfdisk ?
[04:53] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, fdisk, or from the desktop you can use qtparted, it is a partition magic clone.
[04:53] <PacoBCN> it won't affect
[04:53] <heze> pacobcn, what? where? :)
[04:54] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Yes, cfdisk.
[04:54] <apokryphos> %dict scarce
[04:54] <Pyre> Scarce (adv.) Alt. of Scarcely
[04:54] <goxy> mybe its 'feature[ of debian
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> im never going to install ubuntu
[04:54] <PacoBCN> heze,  "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:54] <apokryphos> nicc: rare :)
[04:54] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, lol
[04:54] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, howdy
[04:54] <nicc> apokryphos, could u try muine for me?
[04:54] <PacoBCN> heze, with sudo before
[04:54] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: Good morning.
[04:54] <PacoBCN> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[04:54] <apokryphos> nicc: your what?
[04:54] <sabmoc> aye, sort of
[04:54] <zenwhen> Its partitioning tools are capable of everything cfdisk is
[04:54] <PlasmaPain> ubuntu leaks
[04:55] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, and goodmorning to you
[04:55] <nicc> apokryphos, apt-get install muine
[04:55] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, trolling is frowned upon here.
[04:55] <PlasmaPain> what trolling ?
[04:55] <heze> pacobcn, ahh right that's the command i missed :) any idea what it does?
[04:55] <PlasmaPain> theres no firewalls
[04:55] <snk00sj> hi
[04:55] <PacoBCN> heze, yes, it enables it :D
[04:55] <_d4vid> ky all
[04:56] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, yes there is
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> so any haxor can slice your ubuntu open
[04:56] <heze> pacobcn, aww that tool doesn't work for me since i've custom X config
[04:56] <SeeleyUSMC> AR5212 is the chipset I have and all of them seem to "work out of the box"
[04:56] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, you're welcome to try
[04:56] <nicc> there are many linux hackers?
[04:56] <DarthFrog> PlasmaPain: Try firestarter.
[04:56] <spike> hi there
[04:56] <zenwhen> PlasmaPain, stop making things up.
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> and for see your future in its guts
[04:56] <zenwhen> Theres plenty of firewalls for ubuntu.
[04:56] <sabmoc> zmog
[04:56] <zenwhen> haha
[04:56] <spike> I'm running warthy, but I'd like to try out kolourpaint, which is available in horay. any solution?
[04:56] <PacoBCN> btw, "sudo" in Spanish means "I sweat", probably because you sweat everytime you do things with root privileges :)
[04:56] <zenwhen> is this guy for real?
[04:56] <PlasmaPain> all reall hackers use linux
[04:56] <heze> pacobcn, =D
[04:57] <zenwhen> hahahahahaha
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> thast why theres no virus/trojans for linux
[04:57] <apokryphos> PacoBCN: heh
[04:57] <PlasmaPain> they dont need them
[04:57] <PacoBCN> heze, it should work
[04:57] <heze> plasmapain, wanna a count on the rootkits available for linux? :P
[04:57] <zenwhen> craziness
[04:57] <sabmoc> zenwhen, dont make eyecontact I think he is a crazed windoze user
[04:57] <nicc> PlasmaPain, what do u mean they dont need them?
[04:58] <SeeleyUSMC> Now, when they say "work out of the box" does that mean that its actually GOING to WORK when I install the distro?
[04:58] <snk00sj> i am trying to use autofs to mount some ntfs drives on my fresh ubuntu installation
[04:58] <heze> pacobcn, it bails out with an: "ERROR: your X configuration has been altered.\n This script cannot proceed automatically... etc"
[04:58] <PlasmaPain> they dont need them because its already open
[04:58] <snk00sj> where do the error logs of autofs go standard ?
[04:58] <apokryphos> nicc: interesting; does it not start up for you?
[04:58] <sabmoc> SeeleyUSMC, yes that is what 'out of the box' means, but weather that actually happens is another story. :)
[04:58] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[04:58] <nicc> apokryphos, album's picture are messed up
[04:58] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Then you are using the OS wrong.
[04:58] <heze> seeleyusmc, hoary will not do that :P
[04:58] <da_root> how can i clean the trash?
[04:58] <PacoBCN> heze, well, in that case you'll have to add to your xorg.conf the nvidia strings
[04:59] <PlasmaPain> wrong OS ?
[04:59] <SeeleyUSMC> We'll find out soon...I'm going to go off and install this now.  Be back in a short bit.
[04:59] <heze> pacobcn, nvidia strings? :o *confused*
[04:59] <apokryphos> nicc: odd; my one doesn't start up for me here.
[04:59] <heze> pacobcn, i'm such a n00b with X =(
[04:59] <apokryphos> nicc: might be worth posting that on the mailing list.
[04:59] <nicc> apokryphos, ha I see. I'm lucky finally
[04:59] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: There are trojans and rootkits for linux.  Tons of them.
[04:59] <nicc> apokryphos, rhythmbox is bugged too
[05:00] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: The difference is that once you get root on a UNIX system, nothing on heaven or earth will unseat you
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: heh. I don't use 'em. :D
[05:00] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: There's no need for virus scanners because you're simply fucked once you've been hit.
[05:00] <PacoBCN> heze, what did you add to your xorg.conf?
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: amaroK seems to fulfill all my fantasies ;)
[05:00] <sabmoc> pipeline, yes, dont forget to upgrade your rootkit to the lastest version
[05:00] <heze> pacobcn, i've a xinerama setup so lots of stuff :)
[05:00] <pipeline> sabmoc: I find it's unnecessary because many people are still running unpatched systems.
[05:00] <nicc> apokryphos, I hate this kde look
[05:00] <sabmoc> apokryphos, i hear its really great
[05:00] <PacoBCN> I see.
[05:00] <da_root> how can i cleane trash in command line
[05:00] <heze> with 2 different display adapters might i add
[05:00] <apokryphos> nicc: Sorry to hear that
[05:01] <nicc> apokryphos, I tried it I found the menus and buttons really ugly and not really well placed
[05:01] <PlasmaPain> im fucked ?
[05:01] <apokryphos> sabmoc: it certainly is. The amaroK devs seem to work at lightning pace too. Features are unrivalled, imo.
[05:01] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Thats the truth.
[05:01] <sabmoc> pipeline, i meant the rootkit installed on your computer (a joke) but hey its realy, dont expect anything i say to make sence
[05:01] <LinuxJones> heze, how is xinerama working for you ?
[05:01] <apokryphos> nicc: Interesting, I found the exact opposite.
[05:01] <nicc> apokryphos, it seems it has nice features though
[05:01] <sabmoc> *sense*
[05:01] <heze> linuxjones, quite fine actually
[05:01] <PacoBCN> Heze, I'm not a master on this but I'm pretty sure you'll have to add the proper definitions to the "Device" Section
[05:01] <heze> linuxjones, xscreensaver is a bit useless tho :)
[05:01] <heze> pacobcn, to.. get.. what?
[05:01] <apokryphos> nicc: it supports stylesheets now to change colours etc.. of stuff, but if you dislike kde look in general then you're likely to not like it at all.
[05:01] <LinuxJones> heze, so you can run different apps on different monitors ?
[05:02] <PlasmaPain> so the virus in linux are called rootkits ?
[05:02] <PacoBCN> Driver "nvidia"
[05:02] <heze> linuxjones, even the same app on both monitors
[05:02] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, no
[05:02] <LinuxJones> heze, that's awesome
[05:02] <heze> pacobcn, i'm running that yeah.
[05:02] <heze> linuxjones, just don't try anything opengl :P and i've problems with relative positioning, it just gives an error when starting X
[05:02] <PacoBCN> heze, did you see the nvidia splash screen when loaded x?
[05:02] <heze> pacobcn, nah i've disabled it
[05:03] <LinuxJones> heze, I am getting a new lcd monitor in a few weeks and would love that setup
[05:03] <PacoBCN> ok, but only because of that you don't see it then
[05:03] <heze> pacobcn, only problem was that the kernel module didn't load up automatically, i'm fine now :)
[05:03] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Rootkits arn't viruses per say.  Although they can have properties if one.  Fact is if you don't secure it no operating system is safe.
[05:03] <PacoBCN> heze, oh, great!
[05:03] <PacoBCN> :D
[05:03] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, google for rootkit, rootkit is not a virus, its a piece of software a hacker secretly installs on a system he/she has compromized so that they can gain access automatically
[05:03] <Tiscan> Some are just easier to secure then others. ;)
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> grr...
[05:03] <PacoBCN> heze, I thought you didn't have it :D
[05:03] <SeeleyUSMC> install disk doesn't boot for some reason...what gives/
[05:03] <nicc> apokryphos, u r using kde?
[05:03] <apokryphos> nicc: yes
[05:03] <PlasmaPain> who do i know if the hacker has rootkited me ?
[05:04] <typo> I've looked around in the site and I can't seam to find what's new in hoary? Where is it?
[05:04] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: What makes you think someone has?
[05:04] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, its called a root kit because it gives hackers root access, and a backdoor to the system, basically they own j00
[05:04] <heze> linuxjones, also i've some problem with the WM's window positioning smartness, it always throws the dialogs on the "free space" on the other side of my desktop :P that's like too far away..
[05:04] <PlasmaPain> rootkit is the same has a trojan
[05:04] <LinuxJones> heze, heh
[05:04] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, there is a program you can install that scans for all known rootkits, like a virusdetector
[05:05] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone know why the install won't boot but the live does?
[05:05] <nicc> apokryphos,  I think amarok is better integrated in kde than in gnome
[05:05] <apokryphos> naturally
[05:05] <PacoBCN> just wondering if there's a way to allow Ubuntu to play only Jazz songs... my gfriend has a terrible music taste...
[05:05] <Tiscan> PacoBCN: LOL
[05:05] <jalal_ubuntu> plz how to install the firefox
[05:05] <jalal_ubuntu> i got a .tar.gz file
[05:05] <heze> apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[05:05] <DarthFrog> jalal_ubuntu: Use synaptic to install mozilla-firefox.
[05:05] <Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Jalal, or tar zxvf firefox.tar.gz
[05:06] <Tiscan> er, install
[05:06] <sabmoc> PlasmaPain, the difference between a virus and a rootkit is that viruses or worms can install themselves by a script runing loose on the internet, sometimes thousands of windows boxed are compromized, but a rootkit needs to be installed by hand. Which would you rather prefer?
[05:06] <jalal_ubuntu> ok i'll test it
[05:06] <GnuKemist> Jalal, then ./configure && make && make install
[05:06] <snk00sj> can anyone assist me on mounting my windows partitions using autofs ?
[05:06] <pipeline> sabmoc: Bullshit.
[05:06] <PlasmaPain> instasll by hand
[05:06] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: *sigh*
[05:06] <heze> gnukemist, bad idea :)
[05:06] <snk00sj> i tried some manuals, but cannot get it working
[05:06] <sabmoc> pipeline, which part?
[05:07] <Tiscan> sabmoc: Not always true.
[05:07] <pipeline> sabmoc, PlasmaPain: There have been dozens of script-kiddie style automated rootkits.  That's why they're called rootKITS.
[05:07] <GnuKemist> heze, the old way... ;)
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, ?
[05:07] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: also, the tarred firefox isn't compiled. It has a .bin, IIRC.
[05:07] <heze> gnukemist, well yeah use a --prefix=/opt :)
[05:07] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: 17:05 < Tiscan> Jalal: You don't need a .tar.gz file.  "apt-get insrtall mozilla-firefox"
[05:07] <pipeline> sabmo, PlasmaPain: All of the hard work is done for you.  All you have to do is wait for exploit news and run a portscanner every few weeks.
[05:07] <jjpmr52> sa
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, I'm aware of that... but the guy had a tar
[05:07] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, so I answered his question
[05:08] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: just 4 questions: Yea? And? So? What?
[05:08] <PlasmaPain> so even if i scan the rootkit file with clamav its not gona find it ?
[05:08] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, but I'd recommend apt-get install
[05:08] <Tiscan> The fact is though there are many more viruses, trojans and exploits out for other operation systems.  They arn't as easy to protect against and they arn't as easy to verify that they have been well and truely fixed because we can't look at the code.
[05:08] <heze> gnukemist, what they mean is that the real answer is: rm -rf the.tar && aptitude install mozilla-firefox :P
[05:08] <GnuKemist> heze, no doubt a good solution
[05:08] <GnuKemist> heze, or easier
[05:09] <PlasmaPain> the haxors can look at linux code and devise better ways to slice it
[05:09] <jjpmr52> sa
[05:09] <heze> gnukemist, installing stuff the old way into the "default" directories will cause trouble tho
[05:09] <Chipzz> GnuKemist: 1) this is a channel where mostly newbies are asking for help 2) tar xzf ; ./configure ; make ; make install is the fastest way to fuck up your box.   I'm still getting the hang of the debian way
[05:09] <sabmoc> pipeline, yeah of course, but that would only have maginal success even with older unpatched systems.
[05:10] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The hackers look at most all of the code.  You don't think the 95/98 and 2000 source code isn't floating around for people to see?
[05:10] <Chipzz> heze: even installing things in different prefixes will cause trouble
[05:10] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, if  my intention was to fuck his box up I guess I could have told him rm -rf /
[05:10] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Security through obsurity is no security at all.
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: I'm sure it's alright and no real harm done.
[05:10] <SeeleyUSMC> This is really starting to tick me of
[05:10] <heze> tiscan, winxp SP2 source code probably isn't too widespread :P
[05:10] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, thanx
[05:10] <SeeleyUSMC> *off
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: what GnuKemist said wouldn't have worked anyway.
[05:10] <Chipzz> probably not
[05:10] <sabmoc> pipeline, otherwise we would see worms ripping though unix servers like mad, and we just dont see that.
[05:10] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you can install and run a file integriey checker like aide in a cron and it will notify you of any changes in the core of your syste. I would only run it in the "stable" release or when Hoary is frozen.
[05:10] <pipeline> sabmoc: Are you kidding?
[05:10] <apokryphos> Chipzz: certainly not, since there's no Makefile in firefox tar.
[05:10] <heze> tiscan, that's like someone doing a custom invisible rootkit on linux. you're pwned if you're attacked by such a cracker.
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: Yes, yes we do see that.
[05:11] <SeeleyUSMC> I can boot the stinking live CD but the install cd just sits there after booting...WTF?
[05:11] <PlasmaPain> so i can tell everyone my root pawwsword ?
[05:11] <Chipzz> and "fucking up" is maybe to big a word; "screwing with the package manager which will eventually lead to a broken install" is a better choice of wording
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: The only reason we don't see a UNIX Code Red is that
[05:11] <Tiscan> heze: Again it is like everything else, secure yourself.
[05:11] <pipeline> sabmoc: There are too few identical systems
[05:11] <madstop> I just installed kde, any advise about which to set as default display manager, gdm or kdm?  not sure which environment I'll be using more, gnome or kde, yet
[05:11] <GnuKemist> Chipzz, definitely a better choice of words
[05:11] <apokryphos> Chipzz: you are seriously over-exaggerating.
[05:11] <heze> tiscan, and you believe windows can't be made secure?
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: Any os is vulnerable if you don't take percausions.
[05:12] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I am most definately not
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: I never said that, I said some os are easier to secure.
[05:12] <sabmoc> pipeline, is there anything you can show me to prove this?
[05:12] <Chipzz> I screwed up my first linux install beyond any repair that way
[05:12] <LinuxJones> pipeline, what do you mean identical systems ?
[05:12] <heze> tiscan, i might not agree linux being too much easier to secure.
[05:12] <apokryphos> Chipzz: yes, yes you are. What he said wouldn't have done anything at all. Terminal would have produced an error; so why the huffing and puffing?
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> so whats best to secure ubuntu ?
[05:12] <Chipzz> since than, package management is sacred to me ;)
[05:12] <PlasmaPain> and make it haxor tight ?
[05:12] <Chipzz> apokryphos: 'coz of the idea behind it
[05:12] <Tiscan> heze: I would disagree, I think it is.
[05:13] <pipeline> sabmoc: Look at the lists of vulnerabilities.  It's that simple.  It DOES happen, and it CAN happen to you.  Be careful.  Take heed of best practices.  Don't expose Linux systems directly to the internet.
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: irrelevant. No harm done at all; you might as well start yelling at any random person in this irc.
[05:13] <Chipzz> apokryphos: './configure ; make ; make install' is a way of saying compiling stuff yourself
[05:13] <Tiscan> pipeline: I agree.
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: gee, thanks.
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> ubuntu list of security issues is long and wide
[05:13] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, since there are no services running by default that anybody from the outside can access you don't have to do very much except stay away from 3rd party software.
[05:13] <heze> tiscan, for example on debian if you install a service, it's launched automatically with the default configuration. now how secure is that?
[05:13] <Chipzz> apokryphos: the exact commands are irrelevant here
[05:13] <apokryphos> Chipzz: what?
[05:13] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: The point is though that they are well documented and openly auditable.
[05:13] <PlasmaPain> like the nevia driver ?
[05:14] <heze> tiscan, a noob might not even realize he's running all sorts of services.
[05:14] <PlasmaPain> nvidia
[05:14] <pipeline> PlasmaPain, heze: I strongly recommend you comment out PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.  Secondly, don't run RPC services.  Third, don't expose your machine to the open internet.  Either run behind NAT or use a firewall.
[05:14] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, you never know muahhhhhhhahhhh
[05:14] <sabmoc> pipeline, no I mean, can you show me an example a linux worm? I havent heard of one yet.
[05:14] <Tiscan> heze: And how many windows uses disable all the services they don't need in windows?
[05:14] <pipeline> sabmoc: A "worm" is by definition harmless.
[05:14] <Chipzz> apokryphos: anyway, there are (allmost) no tarballs that contain Makefile's - Makefile's are generated from Makefile.in's by configure, so your point was moot anyway ;)
[05:14] <Chipzz> if you want to start nitpicking :P
[05:14] <pipeline> sabmoc: Scripted rootkits are much more common.
[05:14] <apokryphos> Chipzz: nearly as moot as yours.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain>  don't expose your machine to the open internet ?
[05:15] <Chipzz> no, mooter ;)
[05:15] <pipeline> sabmoc: They rarely propogate themselves because that's not the author's goal -- they want a slave machine for other purposes.
[05:15] <apokryphos> Chipzz: the concept was right, the terminology was wrong. Now tell me which point is "mooter". Ergh.
[05:15] <PlasmaPain> so i should use ubuntu scrictly ofline ?
[05:15] <Tiscan> PlasmaPain: Never expose any machine to the open internet, always have a firewall between it and the net.
[05:15] <GnuKemist> anywho, I wanted to know if there's anyone here from North NJ who'd be interested in joining a new MeetUp group a friend of mine started?
[05:15] <heze> tiscan, on the average, windows users aren't as skillful as linux users so you can't compare. with the same amount of experience on windows as on linux, i'd say the windows dude is able to disable the unsecure services.
[05:15] <Chipzz> apokryphos: same thing for my argument
[05:15] <pipeline> sabmoc: There's no reason to write a "worm" because there are so much more useful things to do with a Linux server sitting on a fat pipe.
[05:15] <DarthFrog> pipeline: If one need to enable remote root logins, more better would be to enable root logins without-password in sshd_config and do cryptographic authentication.
[05:15] <pipeline> DarthFrog: root logins are enabled by default.  I advise that they not be.
[05:15] <apokryphos> Chipzz: you're wrong; you misunderstood what firefox tarballs are like.
[05:16] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I was wrong in the wording, and so were you
[05:16] <PlasmaPain> so why isnt ubunto coming with a firewall to stat with if ppl are gona go online with it ?!!
[05:16] <GnuKemist> we pretty muc adopted Ubuntu for all the new comers
[05:16] <GnuKemist> much
[05:16] <DarthFrog> pipeline: I agree.
[05:16] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: Ubuntu has no services enabled by default.
[05:16] <sabmoc> pipeline, ok, all rootkit attacks are by definition scripted, but what im saying is it is much more common for someone to use the scripts to gain access to a single intranet or server instead of just releasing a worm into the wild.
[05:16] <heze> pipeline, root login is impossible by default on ubuntu since there's no password for root, no?
[05:16] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I know very well there are binary tarballs of firefox
[05:16] <pipeline> PlasmaPain: No services means no need for a firewall.
[05:16] <Tiscan> heze: So a skilled windows user will have transparancy into vulernabuilities to understand them and verify they are fixed?
[05:16] <LinuxJones> PlasmaPain, any Ubuntu service won't accept connections form the outside unless you manually tell it to.
[05:16] <pipeline> sabmoc: That's because worms are worthless.  It's much easier, much more useful, and much more effective to use portscanners and scripts.
[05:16] <DarthFrog> And if no services are enabled, there's nothing to attack>
[05:16] <Chipzz> the fact that he downloaded a binary or a source tarball of firefox changes exactly SHIT about the fact that he would be messing with his package manager
[05:17] <heze> tiscan, a skilled windows user will run no services open to the net, will disable activex and such m$ stuff and basically knows what executables/scripts he runs.
[05:17] <DarthFrog> i.e. secure by default.
[05:17] <madstop> heze, it's easy enough to create a password, though.  Couldn't a malicious script do that?
[05:17] <apokryphos> Chipzz: That makes your point worse. You knew they were binary tarballs, and you exploded at a guy because what he said would produce an "error message" from the terminal
[05:17] <pipeline> heze: It is impossible to secure a windows machine sufficiently to face the open internet.  Period.
[05:17] <heze> madstop, the script needs root priviledges to do that
[05:17] <sabmoc> pipeline, worms are useless against linux
[05:17] <sabmoc> but worms are not useless
[05:17] <PlasmaPain> xserver is running
[05:17] <pipeline> sabmoc: No, worms are useless ON linux.  There's a difference.
[05:17] <PlasmaPain> dhcpd is running
[05:18] <PlasmaPain> mozila is runing
[05:18] <Tiscan> heze: Agreed, so we are back at the begining.    You can't do that in windows.
[05:20] <carlos> my english is very bad, i  hope you understand
[05:20] <Chipzz> apokryphos: I welcome you to point me to the line where I did so
[05:20] <Tiscan> heze: And every user of Linux benifits from that.,
[05:20] <Bauhn> hey, i need a quick help.. i'm installing drivers for my usb-network card and it says: "Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]  :" is that right for ubuntu?
[05:20] <carlos> how for run firewire hard disk ..
[05:20] <carlos> ?
[05:20] <heze> tiscan, in linux/gnu environment, that's done by the community. in m$ it's done by the employers at ms
[05:20] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, Ubuntu is becoming more popular, thus the number of momo's will increase accordingly :)
[05:20] <Tiscan> heze: First rule of programming is you can't code review your own code.
[05:21] <DarthFrog> sabmoc: There's no shortage of them, for sure.
[05:21] <heze> tiscan, tell me about it :)
[05:21] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, the momo's are swarming
[05:21] <Chipzz> apokryphos: but you are really arguing beside the point
[05:21] <DarthFrog> carlos: Sorry, I don't know.
[05:21] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, that's what kick/ban is for :)
[05:21] <apokryphos> Chipzz: fact of the matter is, was your ejaculation (ahem) necessary?
[05:21] <GnuKemist> Bauhn, should be...
[05:22] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: But are there any ops in this channel?
[05:22] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, oh good, ill just ask our channel OP to.. oh wait.. crap!
[05:22] <LinuxJones> DarthFrog, yeah
[05:22] <Bauhn> GnuKemist, ok, so i should just press enter there and everything is right?
[05:22] <cvalstad> "
[05:22] <cvalstad> guys? Can I do this without being connected to internet? "sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package
[05:22] <carlos> ubuntu has firewire support ?
[05:22] <Tiscan> heze: So we have MSs word that their code is secure... and we have hundreds of thousands of poeople looking at Linux code.
[05:22] <GnuKemist> Bauhn, you didn't really give a lot of info on what you're doing
[05:22] <LinuxJones> DarthFrog, the devs all have ops
[05:22] <johnl> cvalstad: not normally.  apt will be looking out on the Internet for the repositories
[05:22] <DarthFrog> LinuxJones: Oh good.
[05:23] <Tiscan> heze: There is a strenth to the later model that I feel is important is all I am saying.
[05:23] <DarthFrog> Can anyone help Carlos, please?
[05:23] <GnuKemist> carlos, have you checked the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:23] <sabmoc> LinuxJones, well I wish one of them was actually on irc or paying attention yesterday we had some real winners spamming the channel with swear words or just jibberish.
[05:23] <carlos> yes <GnuKemist but not clear for me ..
[05:24] <GnuKemist> CarlK_, lemme check it out
[05:24] <cvalstad> john1, I want to compile the kernel on my computer cause I am going to install linux-wlan-ng for my usb wlan adapter. Do I have to do the command I stated? do you know what I need? I wont be connected in Ubuntu untill I get the ubs wlan adapter working.
[05:24] <johnl> carlos: firewire has been in the mainstream kernel for a long time, so my guess would be yes.
[05:24] <LinuxJones> sabmoc, just goto #ubuntu-devel and tell them, they will just opt up and kick+ban them
[05:24] <heze> tiscan, you still can't deny the amount of security advisories with linux/gnu software
[05:24] <heze> tiscan, maybe the linux kernel is secure, maybe not. even it has had some 2-3 local root exploits the past 6 months, no?
[05:25] <johnl> cvalstad, not sure about that sorry.  I think you'll need those packages to compile a new kernel package, but they *might* already be installed.  dunno.
[05:25] <heze> tiscan, so if you assume a linux user runs dist-upgrade every night, assume the windows user runs windows update every night too :>
[05:25] <Tiscan> heze: Why would one deny that?  Its actually a good thing.  Issues are found, fixed, reviewed and audited.  With MS we just get a note "this is fixed".
[05:25] <zenwhen> lol
[05:25] <zenwhen> what did i just stumble into
[05:25] <cvalstad> john1, do you know where I can find them, so I can bring them over to ubuntu with a usb stick?
[05:26] <SeeleyUSMC> Why does it have to be such a pain to get wireless internet working?  Shouldn't it just be a standard?
[05:26] <heze> tiscan, still, the amount of exploits isn't that different between the two OSes
[05:26] <sabmoc> heze, yes, but a local root exploit is not so bad
[05:26] <heze> sabmoc, well remote root exploit needs some service which we're not running :>
[05:26] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It is a standard, for the most part.  But it's still early days.
[05:26] <Tiscan> heze: The difference is I am placing my trust into that of a community, and if I wanted I could verify things myself.  in the MS case you are trusting a single source, and you couldn't verify anything if you wanted.
[05:26] <sabmoc> heze, because if someone has local access on your computer there are at least 100 other ways they can crash the server.
[05:26] <carlos> i run gscanbus and say this : couldn't get handle: No such file or directory
[05:26] <carlos> This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that
[05:26] <carlos> you haven't loaded the raw1394 module.
[05:26] <LinuxJones> SeeleyUSMC, complain to your card manufacturer that you want Linux support
[05:27] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: What chipset does your wireless card use?
[05:27] <Tiscan> heze: I beg to differ, historically MS has many more issues & expliots.
[05:27] <heze> sabmoc, you might get local access by remote local user compromise
[05:27] <johnl> cvalstad: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Atheros AR5212
[05:27] <heze> tiscan, lets stick to the day :)
[05:27] <johnl> cvalstad: bit tricky to find them all by hand, but I guess you have no choice
[05:27] <sabmoc> heze remote local user?
[05:27] <SeeleyUSMC> Its supposed to work "out of the box"
[05:27] <heze> tiscan, i agree windows sucked in the 90's :>
[05:27] <sabmoc> heze I dont follow that logic
[05:27] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: And what kernel are you running?  The atheros is supported in Ubuntu, I use it myself.
[05:27] <heze> sabmoc, your favourite user running a vulnerable php script
[05:28] <heze> remotelly exploitable vulnerability that grants the exploiter local user priviledges
[05:28] <carlos> how to get raw1394 support in the kernel?
[05:28] <geneo93>   sucks even more now
[05:28] <sabmoc> heze, yes but if the hacker is a local user, then as I said, you are already screwed
[05:28] <johnl> who cares if linux is more secure than windows.  windows is no ISO milestone of security.
[05:28] <heze> sabmoc, you should not be.
[05:29] <johnl> "my OS is 7.8 microsoft windows 98s more secure than yours"
[05:29] <heze> that's the whole point in linux/gnu when compared to windows where the user is most of the time the administrator
[05:29] <LinuxJones> carlos, you need to use modprobe to load the module
[05:29] <DarthFrog> johnl:  We don't compare ourselves to Windows.  We are trying to make the best OS possible.
[05:29] <Tiscan> heze: Yet XP SP2 is vulnerable to the land attack from the 90s
[05:29] <ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
[05:29] <Tiscan> heze: lol
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I don't know.  Whatever one is used for the live cd version of Hoary.  I tried to boot my install cd for hoary that i just downloaded thismorning, but the cd doesn't boot up properly.  I get a black screen with a white bar...
[05:29] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: So now I'm downloading the install version of Warty
[05:29] <LinuxJones> carlos, sudo modprobe raw1394
[05:29] <johnl> DarthFrog, sounds like heze and sabmoc are confused
[05:29] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: You either have a bad burn or a bad download.
[05:30] <carlos> <LinuxJones oks
[05:30] <sabmoc> johnl, cut me some slack I just woke up
[05:30] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: Should I use Warty since its more stable anyway?
[05:30] <johnl> samiam, heh :)
[05:30] <heze> tiscan, got a link to that land vulnerability? i read it too the other day can't recall the seriousness.
[05:30] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Your call.  Most of us are using Hoary.  It's very good.
[05:30] <madstop> ok, I'm now running kubuntu.  It's gorgeous!  (except for horrible fonts)  They did a great job, it looks like so far.
[05:30] <Tiscan> heze: One moment
[05:31] <apokryphos> madstop: glad it's working well :)
[05:31] <SeeleyUSMC> Guess I'll retry Hoary
[05:31] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  have him check the md5sum
[05:31] <samiam> hey all
[05:31] <apokryphos> madstop: you'll wanna turn on anti-aliasing fonts
[05:31] <stianh> eek... my synaptic is sort of broken
[05:31] <LinuxJones> madstop, maybe you have to enable ant-aliasing ?
[05:31] <sabmoc> johnl, care to cure my confusion?
[05:32] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Once you get Ubuntu installed, enable universe and mulitverse as repositories and install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel.  That'll give you the madwifi driver for your Atheros card.  The interface will be called ath0 and will be configurable using the Ubuntu network tooll.
[05:32] <ignus> can anyone tell me what sound system ubuntu uses?
[05:32] <Tiscan> heze: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2005-03-06
[05:32] <ephemeral> is Ubuntu moving to KDE by default?
[05:32] <sabmoc> ephemeral, no
[05:32] <DarthFrog> ignus: ALSA
[05:32] <johnl> sabmoc:  too many threads to follow.  some people seemed to be battling Linux security vs. Windows security.  I didn't see the point.
[05:32] <stianh> I select a a package (nautilus) to upgrade, and then I get a list of other things that will be upgraded, and it crashes. And when I use apt-get upgrade nautilus, it wants to install /upgrade over 300MB of stuff.. :/
[05:32] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: The problem here is that my only connection to the net is wireless...
[05:32] <DarthFrog> Ephemeral: Unfortunately,no
[05:32] <madstop> heh heh, apokryphos -- too early for me to tell how it works, but it's the first kde desktop that I haven't found horribly cutesly and annoying looking!  Ah yes, anti-aliasing. thanks.
[05:32] <ignus> DarthFrog, always alsa??
[05:32] <ephemeral> sabmoc: why on earth does Hoary only come with KDE them?
[05:32] <carlos> <LinuxJones i have done modprobe raw1294 and anything change ..gscanbus say the same
[05:32] <Tiscan> heze: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/392354
[05:32] <heze> ahh that one
[05:33] <DarthFrog> ignus: Well, I suppose you could put OSS on if you were determined. :-)
[05:33] <heze> tiscan, that's bad i gotta admit :P
[05:33] <apokryphos> madstop: cool :). Any other questions you can ask in #kubuntu ;)
[05:33] <heze> tiscan, fortunately a sane firewall doesn't allow that.
[05:33] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Did you check the md5sum of your Hoary ISO download?
[05:33] <carlos> its posible not raw1394 in kernel ?
[05:33] <sabmoc> johnl, no i wasnt paying attention to that thread, I was just saying that local root exploits are bad but not so bad, cause if a hacker has local access to a machine your screwed already.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> carlos, modprobe -l | grep 1394 will give you a few different modules to choose from
[05:33] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I dont even know what you are talking about
[05:33] <ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME
[05:33] <Tiscan> heze: Correct, but this vulerability should simply not exist.  It has already been fixed once.
[05:33] <johnl> sabmoc, as sorry.  I think it's Tiscan now.  I should keep my nose out.
[05:33] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[05:34] <madstop> heh heh, maybe this channel should be changed to "gnubuntu", apokryphos ... ;-)
[05:34] <ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get xmms and vlc working but there is no sound. gnome makes its noises so the kernel is set up right. any idea what might be wrong?
[05:34] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Md5sum is a checksum to verify that you downloaded a good ISO.
[05:34] <sabmoc> johnl yeah shup you face d00d
[05:34] <heze> tiscan, yup, can't say they do their stuff that fast at m$.
[05:34] <apokryphos> madstop: :P
[05:34] <sabmoc> johnl, ;)
[05:34] <johnl> :)
[05:34] <ephemeral> sabmoc: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-preview-install-amd64.iso   this came with KDE only... no GNOME  << can someone explain the logic?
[05:34] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: How would I do that in windows?
[05:34] <DarthFrog> ignus: Not off the top of my head, sorry.  Check the mixer?
[05:34] <madstop> just wish I could get the menu by using the "windows logo" key, though, like I used to...
[05:35] <sabmoc> ephemeral, hmm weird, i dont know what to say about that
[05:35] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: I've spent a lot of effort avoiding learning how to do things in Windows. :-)
[05:35] <Tiscan> heze: Speed isn't what I am pointing out, its that no one other then MS could audit the code to catch this.
[05:35] <SeeleyUSMC> heh
[05:35] <apokryphos> madstop: you can :)
[05:35] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Google is.
[05:35] <carlos> Linux Jones this is the result :
[05:35] <carlos>  modprobe -l | grep 1394
[05:35] <sabmoc> DarthFrog, lol
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/raw1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/pcilynx.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ohci1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/ieee1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/eth1394.ko
[05:35] <sabmoc> gah!!!
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/dv1394.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/cmp.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/amdtp.ko
[05:35] <carlos> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/ieee1394/video1394.ko
[05:35] <sabmoc> my freaking eyes!!
[05:35] <carlos> sorry
[05:35] <ignus> DarthFrog, yeah the mixer is set fine.. keeps telling me it cant find /dev/dsp, which is there.. any ideas?
[05:35] <Tiscan> Anyway, regardless.  Nothing is secure unless you make it so.  I have to be off to work now. :)
[05:35] <sabmoc> carlos, dont ever do that again
[05:36] <DarthFrog> carlos: Please use pastebin.com for that kind of stuff.
[05:36] <sabmoc> carlos, go to channel #flood to do stuff like that if you want to show someone some output
[05:36] <heze> tiscan, why do you see it necessary for the audit party not be in the payrolls of microsoft? they do audit their code, everyone does. this land thingie is just an example of a failed audit since the auditters are humas too, after all.
[05:36] <Fl-i-nT> hi
[05:36] <carlos> sorry sorry
[05:36] <madstop> apokryphos, don't know how, used to be kde default (when I installed from universe before or whatever, pre-kubuntu warty) Never mind, I'll google it -- er koogle it...
[05:36] <DarthFrog> carlos: Don't worry about it. :-)  It happens.
[05:37] <sabmoc> but use #flood next time
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: heh. If you hold on for a sec, I'll find the exact command to put as a shortcut.
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: capabilities of DCOP are unlimited :)
[05:37] <carlos> oks
[05:37] <apokryphos> madstop: You don't even need DCOP for this one :)
[05:37] <Fl-i-nT> Netwrok Question: why is it when i try to print it says something along the lines of NT_ERROR_PRINT
[05:37] <stianh> Is it possible to get a list of url's for the various files that will be downloaded when perfoing an apt-get command? (like upgrade)
[05:37] <stianh> or at least a list of complete filenames?
[05:37] <DarthFrog> ignus: Are you logged in as the sudo-enabled user?
[05:37] <TQuid> Hola.
[05:38] <spiral> hi back
[05:38] <apokryphos> madstop: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboard Shortcuts
[05:38] <TQuid> Does ubuntu's gnome have some standard way of managing fonts?  I got a bit spoiled with Fedora/KDE's graphical font manager.
[05:38] <madstop> thank you thank you apokryphos !  great people in ubuntu land
[05:38] <TQuid> (Failing that, figuring out how to get the hints out of a ttf file would be adequate.)
[05:38] <sabmoc> heze even though they audit code, the whole windows system was based on unsound security principals because when it was first created security was not a major issue, and they never adapted.
[05:38] <apokryphos> madstop: then scroll down to Panel, and change the shortcut for Popup Launch menu.
[05:38] <nemo_> can anyone tell me how to get mount to deal with Apple_HFS partitions?
[05:38] <sig> TQuid: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:38] <DarthFrog> TQuid: Don't know about Gnome, but KDE does.
[05:38] <meepmeep> hi :)
[05:39] <sabmoc> hello
[05:39] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, I'm helping out Bauhn and he wants to compile usb wireless support...  can we only install the headers instead of compiling a new kernel?
[05:39] <JRlinux> Just burned Kubuntu this morning and now booting it live...
[05:39] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.
[05:39] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, thanx
[05:39] <TQuid> sig:  d'oh!  You caught me, I came here before googling.  I am shamed.
[05:39] <ignus> DarthFrog, yeah man i am.
[05:39] <meepmeep> if i try to update/upgrade my warty into hoary, all things will be automatically reconfigure ? (like X.org etc.)
[05:40] <kapputu> how much diskspace does Ubuntu occupy?
[05:40] <heze> sabmoc, i'm just counting the amount of exploits on windows. the situation is so much better than the 98 ages.
[05:40] <DarthFrog> ignus: What sound app are you using?
[05:40] <TQuid> nemo_, I expect you'd need to add the kernel module for that.
[05:40] <JRlinux> Konversation is a new IRC client to me...
[05:40] <ignus> how do u mean app?
[05:40] <kapputu> it seems to be taking up like 5Gig
[05:40] <ignus> DarthFrog, im trying to get vlc working if thats what you mean
[05:40] <nemo_> TQuid, ah.. can the syntaptic package manager do that?
[05:40] <apokryphos> madstop: I see that Win-key is now used as an alternate to Ctrl/Alt in KDE. That means that you'll have to make the shortcut like Win+<somekey> I think. :|
[05:40] <madstop> apokryphos, the panel popup launch won't let me set just the win logo key
[05:40] <madstop> heh heh,
[05:41] <TQuid> nemo_:  hm, no, I don't think so.  Let me check something here.
[05:41] <DarthFrog> ignus: What type of files?  You need gstreamer0.8-mad installed to play MP3s.
[05:41] <sabmoc> heze depends how you loot at it, personally I think its getting worse because worms and viruses are becoming more sophisticated and many people still run 98 or ME
[05:41] <TQuid> kapputu:  I'm taking up 2 G for /usr, about 1 G for /var, and a hundred meg for / and /boot together.
[05:41] <ignus> its an avi
[05:41] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[05:41] <apokryphos> madstop: it's kind of annoying, but I can see why they would do that.
[05:41] <madstop> thanks for trying apok! I'll deal!
[05:41] <jalal_ubuntu> how to change the splash screen  ?
[05:41] <kapputu> TQuid: I have been updating a lot
[05:41] <kapputu> any idea on how to free up space?
[05:42] <heze> sabmoc, while the linux rootkits aren't?
[05:42] <geneo93> madstop:  my windows key brings up menu
[05:42] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, I'm used to always compiling the kernel from scratch on Gentoo...  so by installing the headers I can compile other 3rd party apps (e.g. ndiswrapper) w/o messing with the kernel?
[05:42] <apokryphos> geneo93: on kde?
[05:42] <ignus> DarthFrog, if i install that do you think if will fix it?
[05:42] <thenuke> kapputu: apt-get autoclean might help a bit
[05:42] <geneo93> yes
[05:42] <sabmoc> heze thats a whole different ball game
[05:42] <madstop> geneo93, it used to for me too, pre-kubuntu
[05:42] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: ndiswrapper is already available in Ubuntu.  But, yes.
[05:42] <apokryphos> geneo93: you using 3.4?
[05:42] <heze> sabmoc, oh k. why? :)
[05:42] <DarthFrog> ignus: Don't know.
[05:42] <geneo93> yes
[05:43] <TQuid> kapputu:  not offhand, sorry--sounds like you're pretty cramped!
[05:43] <lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
[05:43] <TQuid> nemo_, looks like there's an hfs kernel module in the default kernel.
[05:43] <apokryphos> geneo93: last question: a recent version (when, roughly)?
[05:43] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, so on a new install would I have to get the headers and then apt-get ndiswrapper?  sorry for repeating the same question but want to make it clear to myself
[05:43] <TQuid> Have you tried just "mount -t hfs blah blahblah"?
[05:43] <madstop> I'm really liking these kde menus and settings dialogs so far.
[05:43] <geneo93> 3 days ago
[05:43] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Yes.  Ndiswrapper might be installed by default, though.
[05:43] <nemo_> TQuid, this is hfs+ though.. yeah, I can mount it but you get the really, really empty disk with a readme explaining I need a new MacOS :-/
[05:44] <sabmoc> heze, it just is, i dont want to get into it again.
[05:44] <GnuKemist> DarthFrog, cool beans... definitely easier than rolling up your sleeves and doing all the compilation
[05:44] <madstop> beats the hell out of gconfig, at least for newbies
[05:44] <lawman> hi.  just installed ubuntu 5.04 on laptop.  screen goes black on after rebooting.  pressed ctl-alt-f2 to get to console and can login no problem.  at prompt now, and don't know how to get X started from here.  any idea what to do.  be gentle i'm a complete newbie.  (ps.  all other distro's work on this laptop fine)
[05:45] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: Agreed! :-)
[05:45] <sabmoc> madstop, some people like kde, some like gnome. competition on the desktop is a good thing.
[05:45] <geneo93> lawman:  try startx
[05:46] <madstop> apok, one fly in the ointment for me probably-- I'll bet that kicker won't work as well in gnome for me as it used to.  That's the main reason I wanted kde, just to use kicker and kicker applets as an extra "panel" in gnome.
[05:46] <lawman> says server is already active for display 0.
[05:46] <lawman> xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:46] <madstop> I think the new kde pop-ups and various other stuff will not play happy with gnome anymore.  Gonna try anyway
[05:46] <lawman> xinit: unable to connect to X server
[05:47] <DarthFrog> lawman: Press ALT-F7
[05:47] <lawman> pressed.  screen goes black again
[05:47] <heze> lawman, "sudo killall gdm" first if you wanna manually startx
[05:47] <DarthFrog> lawman: Reboot.
[05:47] <madstop> ubuntuizing kde like this tips the balance in kde's favor for me, apokryphos ; too many annoyances with nautilus and the gnome panels
[05:47] <lawman> ok.  will do and will get back to you in a while.
[05:47] <nemo_> TQuid, libhfsp0 is installed according to the package manager, I'll try looking around a bit more later
[05:48] <apokryphos> madstop: Well, konqueror does happen to be one of my very favourite progs of all time. :)
[05:48] <DarthFrog> madstop: Having KDE available for Ubuntu was the thing that did it for me, too.
[05:48] <nemo_> TQuid, thanks for the pointer anyway :-)
[05:48] <heze> lawman, wait a tic?
[05:49] <TQuid> nemo_, ah, OK, not familiar with hfs+, sorry.
[05:49] <madstop> really beautiful design choices, from what I see so far.
[05:49] <heze> lawman, did you try to shuffle the signal output thingie on your laptop, just to make sure the signal isn't only going out on your external vga connector?
[05:49] <nemo_> TQuid, no matter, thanks for trying :-)
[05:49] <SmokingFire> whats the mp3 package called again?
[05:49] <GnuKemist> heze, good point
[05:49] <GnuKemist> heze, start simple  ;)
[05:49] <sabmoc> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[05:49] <TQuid> Hm, nautilus had built-in font mgt. on kde/fedora, but I'm not seeing the same tools here.
[05:50] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell SmokingFire uburestricted
[05:50] <Pyre> SmokingFire: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:50] <heze> gnukemist, just came to me since i get my gdm screen on the "wrong" monitor on my 2 adapter setup..
[05:50] <codyman> how do you access the restricted formats apt depositories for amd64 kubuntu?
[05:50] <apokryphos> codyman: join #kubuntu
[05:50] <SmokingFire> apokryphos, Pyre thanks
[05:50] <SmokingFire> pyre is a bot?
[05:51] <GnuKemist> heze, I remember I spent a few hours once helping someone get their sound working only to find out the guy had muted it by mistake
[05:51] <madstop> heh, kubuntu even managed to make the workspace switcher look cool; always hated the way it looked in kde before
[05:51] <apokryphos> madstop: there have been some great GUI advances in 3.4, yup.
[05:51] <heze> gnukemist, well i often find myself going thru everything but the network cables when some host doesn't respond :P
[05:51] <GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn says he doesn't remember choosing a password for root during install
[05:52] <apokryphos> SmokingFire: yes
[05:52] <GnuKemist> is it possible?
[05:52] <SmokingFire> ok
[05:52] <madstop> (gnome's desktop switcher, or pager or whatever it's called is still better-- you can drag apps from one workspace to another, for example)
[05:52] <heze> hoary install doesn't ask for a root password
[05:52] <GnuKemist> hummm
[05:52] <heze> there is no root password unless explicitly set with passwd
[05:52] <GnuKemist> should he sudo passwd then?
[05:52] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell heze ubusudo
[05:52] <Pyre> heze: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:52] <geneo93> Bauhn:  use sudo
[05:52] <DarthFrog> GnuKemist: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:53] <heze> gnukemist, yeah
[05:53] <GnuKemist> thanx guys
[05:53] <heze> apokryphos, nice buddy you got there :)
[05:53] <xerox> How to mount ntfs volumes read-write in ubuntu?
[05:53] <kosmos> to set a pw, just "sudo su" passwd
[05:53] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  there is no root passwd
[05:53] <apokryphos> heze: he's very... submissive. ;)
[05:53] <heze> xerox, that's not trivial. the kernel driver doesn't support write-mode.
[05:53] <GnuKemist> geneo93, thanks
[05:54] <heze> there is no spoon :)
[05:54] <xerox> heze: I tought it does.. I did it in the past.
[05:54] <heze> xerox, it's very very dangerous to enable it
[05:54] <xerox> heze: btw, there also is "ntfs-resize" during the installation process of ubuntu! I tought it wasn't dangerous anymore.
[05:55] <xerox> I resized an ntfs volume during the installation.
[05:55] <heze> xerox, oh, that sounds something new to me :)
[05:55] <lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
[05:55] <xerox> Anyone knows?
[05:56] <heze> lawman, the signal wasn't going out on your external connector?
[05:56] <GnuKemist> lawman, heze suggested you check your laptop's output signal
[05:56] <lawman> it's a laptop
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: you might want to try reconfiguring your x
[05:56] <lawman> how do i do that?
[05:56] <heze> it has an external vga connector, no?
[05:56] <lawman> yes
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: hoary or warty?
[05:56] <heze> dunno, on my laptop it's Fn+F5
[05:56] <lawman> but i'm using built in screen
[05:56] <lawman> hoary
[05:56] <apokryphos> lawman: or rather, xfree or xorg
[05:57] <apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. most probably
[05:57] <lawman> ok.  how do i get back to console from here?
[05:57] <heze> cltr+alt+backspace to kill X
[05:57] <apokryphos> lawman: where are you? Irssi?
[05:57] <lawman> ok. i did ctl-alt-f1
[05:57] <apokryphos> yup
[05:57] <lawman> found the problem guys.  let me read it to you.
[05:57] <madstop> omg, these kubuntu folks read my mind! -- pardon me while I gasp in admiration-- don't worry, I'll stop in a minute...
[05:58] <lawman> fatal: module via not found
[05:58] <lawman> [drm]  failed to load kernel module 'via'
[05:58] <lawman> (ee) via(0): [dri]  driscreeninit failed.  disabling dri.
[05:58] <GnuKemist> aha
[05:59] <GnuKemist> lawman, you need to install ATI stuff  (someone correct me here if I'm wrong)
[05:59] <DarthFrog> madstop: What's flabbering your gasters now?
[05:59] <lawman> any idea?  by the way, i'm not getting a proper prompt now at the console.
[05:59] <lawman> what's ati.  how do i do that?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> lawman, do you have an ATI video card?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> oh
[06:00] <GnuKemist> nevermind
[06:00] <GnuKemist> nevermind
[06:00] <lawman> not sure?  i think it's via??
[06:00] <GnuKemist> you said via
[06:00] <GnuKemist> I read it as ati
[06:00] <GnuKemist> duhhhh
[06:00] <heze> kemist, easy on your liquids there ;)
[06:00] <lawman> do i panic?
[06:00] <lawman> or is it easy?
[06:00] <GnuKemist> heze, high octane coffee
[06:00] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:00] <heze> lol
[06:01] <madstop> DarthFrog, don't ask, I don't want to look like an idiot, singing a love serenade to a desktop manager!
[06:01] <fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
[06:01] <GnuKemist> lawman, try to reconfigure your X with Mesa for now
[06:01] <lawman> ok.  how?  i'm a wintroll.
[06:01] <apokryphos> lawman: same command above
[06:01] <madstop> kubuntu rules.  Gnome, sorry, it was nice while it lasted...
[06:02] <lawman> typed in 'mesa' but nothing happening.  i think the prompt is gone
[06:02] <apokryphos> madstop: now, now. No trolling ;). Many gnome-users here.
[06:02] <lawman> since i did ctl-alt-f1
[06:02] <apokryphos> lawman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:02] <GnuKemist> lawmn, you have to run that command above
[06:02] <lawman> ok. will try
[06:02] <GnuKemist> then configure X
[06:02] <lawman> how do i get the prompt back?
[06:02] <GnuKemist> choose appropriate video driver
[06:02] <madstop> heh, apokryphos -- I like gnome too; just want a transporter accident to merge kde and gnome
[06:03] <madstop> would have liked to have done that with some girlfriends, too
[06:03] <apokryphos> lawman: you can switch bitween windows using Ctrl + Alt + F1 I think...
[06:03] <apokryphos> *sessions
[06:03] <lawman> ok.  doing that thanks.
[06:03] <madstop> with my luck, though, I'd end up with "the fly"
[06:03] <apokryphos> madstop: hehe
[06:03] <fbcosta> I got a strange problem on mounting a fat32 partition... I can mount the partition, and I can even see the folders on the gnome, but i can't open them, and in the terminal, i got permission denied. Could someone help?
[06:04] <Echylo> sudo?
[06:04] <Echylo> ow
[06:04] <GnuKemist> guys, Bauhn doesn't get more than one choice when apt-cache search kernel-headers
[06:04] <lawman> ok.  says select x server driver.  it's already on via.  should i just try all the others?  then do xstart?
[06:04] <GnuKemist> he got linux-kernel-headers
[06:04] <GnuKemist> that's all
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lawman, it's weird
[06:05] <dabi> hmm after installing lm_sensors my internal speaker beeps after about every 30 min :S why?
[06:05] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  does he have all the repositories enabled
[06:05] <lawman> use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[06:05] <AMIGrAve> is it safe to blacklist all module that are "Used by" 0 in lsmod output ?
[06:05] <GnuKemist> lawman, it is possible it is not compiled as a module?
[06:05] <madstop> I can report that kubuntu is running a lot faster on my amd64 hoary than gnome did
[06:05] <GnuKemist> geneo93, not sure...  he said he just installed it
[06:05] <apokryphos> lawman: you don't know whether you're using nvidia or ATI...?
[06:06] <lawman> no?  sorry.  newbie.
[06:06] <TQuid> BRB.
[06:06] <madstop> fbcosta, is this a windows or a linux partition?
[06:06] <lawman> i could go to the bios and check?
[06:06] <apokryphos> lawman: one sec
[06:06] <lawman> or if there is a command?
[06:06] <Echylo> feck
[06:06] <Echylo> 239 updates
[06:06] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, apparently he's using via mobo
[06:06] <fbcosta> windows
[06:06] <apokryphos> lawman: there is; I think it's lspci
[06:06] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: what's that?
[06:06] <GnuKemist> the VIA chipset
[06:07] <geneo93> GnuKemist:  there are some resticted ones
[06:07] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, with its integrated video
[06:07] <apokryphos> oh
[06:07] <geneo93> he nedds them
[06:07] <albeiro> hello
[06:07] <lawman> cool.  did lspci = via technologies.
[06:07] <GnuKemist> geneo93, so you think he should edit his apt.list?
[06:07] <apokryphos> lawman: better leave it on what it's on, then.
[06:07] <lawman> so how do get to see the x screen?
[06:07] <warty> &ljh
[06:07] <lawman> it's always black
[06:07] <GnuKemist> lawmn post the error message again?
[06:08] <apokryphos> lawman: have you reconfigured it?
[06:08] <albeiro> do you guys know how could i get cisco aironet working with linux ? which kernel options should i check on ?
[06:08] <warty> hi, cpould someborz read this message_
[06:08] <albeiro> with linux on ppc
[06:08] <codyman> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu... i'm trying to compile a program from source... what c compiler package(s) do i need
[06:08] <lawman> ok. one sec
[06:08] <lawman> hi all.  installed ubuntu 5.04.  after booting, screen goes black but on with no sound.  pressed ctl-alt-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  startx.  screen goes black and off completely.  but can hear logging in music.  what to do for a complete newbie?
[06:08] <geneo93> well synaptic just tick all the repsitories
[06:08] <apokryphos> codyman: build-essential
[06:08] <GnuKemist> geneo93, gotcha
[06:08] <codyman> gracias
[06:09] <GnuKemist> lawman, the error related to not being able to load something?
[06:09] <heze> 18:58:03 < lawman> fatal: module via not found
[06:09] <apokryphos> lawman: did you say you did the whole reconfiguration?
[06:09] <GnuKemist> that one
[06:09] <snk00sj> when i do "mount" i get listed 2 autofs mounts of crashed autofs sessions
[06:09] <heze> try sudo modprobe via ? :)
[06:09] <lawman> ???
[06:09] <snk00sj> can anyone help me to get these out ?
[06:09] <lawman> shall i tell you the error again
[06:10] <lawman> fatal: module via not found
[06:10] <GnuKemist> lawman, it sounds like the module (via-something) wasn't compiled as module?
[06:10] <GnuKemist> hang on
[06:10] <codyman> ok now i'm trying to compile a program and it says; "can't find x includes"
[06:10] <GnuKemist> I have an old kernel config with the module name
[06:10] <snk00sj_> hi
[06:10] <albeiro> hm, any ppc based livecd with ubuntu in the wild ?
[06:10] <apokryphos> codyman: not sure, but most probably you need x dev files
[06:10] <codyman> apokryphos: ok thanks
[06:11] <Echylo> is there a tank wars / scorched earth game for linux?
[06:11] <DarthFrog> lawman: That the X configuration didn't work upon a fresh install is possibly a bug.  Please report it.
[06:11] <codyman> apokryphos: what dev file would that be?
[06:11] <kent> madstop,  why should that break gnome?
[06:11] <lawman> oh.  so no current workaround?
[06:12] <GnuKemist> lawman, hang on
[06:12] <snk00sj> can anyone please help me with my problem ? or at least tell me you don't know ?
[06:12] <snk00sj> i have been asking the same question the whole afternoon now
[06:12] <lawman> all other distros work fine.  ok kemist.  i've just rebooted and will wait for you to show your magic.
[06:12] <DarthFrog> lawman: Don't know.
[06:12] <geneo93> lawman:  thats live cd or install
[06:12] <kent> snk00sj,  dont ask to ask, just ask.
[06:12] <lawman> install dvd
[06:12] <apokryphos> codyman: uno momento
[06:12] <snk00sj> i did several times kent, everyone is busy
[06:13] <DarthFrog> lawman: If you still have another distro installed, you could try coping the config file from that install into Ubuntu.
[06:13] <kent> snk00sj, i not busy, but im not sure i can help you.. but go ahead and ask.
[06:13] <madstop> kent, because I'm an idiot, and I assume breakage when I don't immediately get what I want! ;-)
[06:13] <snk00sj> i just need some help getting my windows partitions mounted, i am using as much of google as i can, but doesn't advance
[06:13] <madstop> 'bye for now
[06:13] <lawman> old distro gone now.  don't even know what a config file is??
[06:13] <apokryphos> codyman: x-dev :)
[06:13] <geneo93> DarthFrog:  but that wont give him the module
[06:13] <kent> snk00sj, have you looked at the information that is on the ubuntu wiki? It has help on mounting the ntfs-partition.
[06:14] <codyman> apokryphos: thanks
[06:14] <DarthFrog> snk00sj:  As root: "mount /dev/(windows partition) (mount point)
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: whoops, don't think that's it.
[06:14] <codyman> o
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: libx11-dev
[06:14] <kent> DarthFrog, that wont work for ntfs-drives.
[06:14] <lawman> ok.  rebooted.  alt-ctl-f1.  logged in.  sudo killall gdm.  waiting on what do next.
[06:14] <apokryphos> codyman: well, one of them. :D
[06:14] <heze> kent, it will for read only
[06:14] <geneo93> lawman:  can you do a apt-get update
[06:14] <GnuKemist> lawman, do lsmod |grep via
[06:14] <lawman> not connected to internet
[06:14] <DarthFrog> geneo93: if there's a module missing, then it's definitley a bug.
[06:14] <codyman> apok: x11-dev is installing
[06:14] <lawman> does it matter?
[06:14] <snk00sj> i'll check it out right now
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lawman, not at the moment
[06:15] <snk00sj> manually i can mount the partition, thats the strange thing
[06:15] <lawman> ok.  did lsmod ... now what?
[06:15] <DarthFrog> kent: Sure it will.  Has worked for me many times in the past.  He might need to use the " -t nfts" switch.
[06:15] <snk00sj> if u use autofs, it doesn't work
[06:15] <GnuKemist> did you grep via?
[06:15] <GnuKemist> lawman, did you get any output
[06:15] <lawman> i got a list of stuff on screen
[06:15] <DarthFrog> snk00sj: Is it in /etc/fstab?
[06:15] <snk00sj> no its in /etc/auto.vol
[06:16] <GnuKemist> lawman, can u tell me what?
[06:16] <snk00sj> i added a line in /etc/auto.master
[06:16] <lawman> ok. long list, but will start
[06:16] <codyman> apokryphos: ok now see if you can get this one... "checking for libz: not found"
[06:16] <lawman> via_rhine 21508 0
[06:16] <snk00sj> but i think in some previous attempts i crashed autofs, and now there are some pid's running that i cannot close
[06:16] <DarthFrog> snk00sj: If you want it mounted on boot, put it in /etc/fstab.
[06:16] <kent> DarthFrog, snk00sj   there is information on the wiki on how to mount an ntfs  automaticly with /etc/fstab.  Read that, it should work great.
[06:16] <lawman> mii 4992 1 via_rhine
[06:16] <stianh> I just figured out how to get the url's for the files which will be downloaded and installed when I do apt-get dist-upgrade. The plan is to go to a friend who has broadband and download the files there and burn them to a cd. But where can I place them so that apt finds them when I'm going to do the install?
[06:16] <GnuKemist> lawman, k
[06:16] <snk00sj> kent, i am doing that right now :)
[06:17] <lawman> then it's got some snd... and gmaeport listings, then.
[06:17] <lawman> i2c_viapro 7500 0
[06:17] <snk00sj> but because i was working on it whole afternoon, i really want to know howto kill these pid's
[06:17] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:17] <lawman> i2c_core 22416 1 i2c_viapro
[06:17] <DarthFrog> stianh: /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:17] <lawman> via_ircc 30356 0
[06:17] <stianh> DarthFrog, thanks :)
[06:17] <lawman> irda 192704 1 via_ircc
[06:17] <lawman> via_agp 9408 1
[06:18] <lawman> agpgart 33704 1 via_agp
[06:18] <GnuKemist> lawman,  do the x reconfiguration and this time really look at the video driver options
[06:18] <lawman> via82cxxx 13852 1
[06:18] <lawman> ide_core ..... smoe stuff.
[06:18] <madstop> cool, kicker opens in gnome with only one error message, unlike before, where I got a whole screen... excellent
[06:18] <apokryphos> codyman: I can't say that I know off the top of my head; Google'll probably have the answer.
[06:18] <lawman> ok, will do the x reconfig again. one sec
[06:18] <apokryphos> codyman: though, could you check if you have zlib1g and zlib1g-dev?
[06:19] <lawman> shall i select via?
[06:19] <heze> gnukemist, he could try to manually edit xorg.conf and try some other driver, say vesa?
[06:19] <lawman> or vesa
[06:19] <lawman> or vga
[06:19] <heze> i'm a bit busy to walk thru editing the file
[06:19] <GnuKemist> heze, yes
[06:19] <heze> lawman, try vesa
[06:19] <lawman> ok
[06:19] <GnuKemist> heze, vesa will definitely give him X
[06:19] <madstop> man, this kde stuff is fast, even running within gnome!
[06:20] <heze> gnukemist, umm yeah well worth checking :>
[06:20] <lawman> now.  asked for identifier for video card.  already filled in via ... press ok?
[06:20] <codyman> apokryphos: ahh once again.. didn't have the dev version ;-)
[06:20] <apokryphos> :)
[06:20] <GnuKemist> lawman, nope
[06:20] <lawman> what shall i put in identifier string?
[06:20] <gratefulfrog> anyone manage to get cinelerra to work on Hoary 64 bit?
[06:21] <lawman> vesa?
[06:21] <LinuxJones> lawman, you can put in anything
[06:21] <GnuKemist> lawman, lemme see how to manually configure and update xorg.conf under Debian
[06:21] <lawman> ok, typed vesa.
[06:21] <BobaFett> Guys... How can I make a launcher that points to a folder?
[06:21] <lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
[06:21] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:22] <lawman> shall i exit and just try to edit?
[06:22] <LinuxJones> lawman, you have an agp card ?
[06:22] <lawman> via card
[06:22] <arek> BobaFett: ln -s source target
[06:22] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, but don't you have to run something else afterwards?
[06:22] <GnuKemist> or is it like xfree?
[06:22] <lawman> now asking for bus identifier?
[06:22] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: nope; just restart x.
[06:22] <BobaFett> arek: ln -s source target via terminal? and being 'source' the place I wanna place the launcher?
[06:22] <lawman> how do i kill config program without answering any more questions?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> ctrl + c
[06:23] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  its a laptop
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman, it's probably PCI:1:0:0
[06:23] <LinuxJones> ohhhh
[06:23] <lawman> ctrl-c pressed.  nothing happens.  pressed ok on bus id.
[06:23] <arek> BobaFett: its just normal symbolic link read the manual
[06:23] <lawman> now asking for memory of video card?
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F
[06:23] <lawman> ok
[06:23] <BobaFett> ah...heard of 'em, never actually had to use 'em :)
[06:23] <lawman> pressing ctl-alt-f3 now
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lawman,  open another terminal ctrl+alt+F3
[06:23] <LinuxJones> prefect
[06:23] <BobaFett> thanks arek, will check :)
[06:24] <lawman> logged in again
[06:24] <LinuxJones> do lspci
[06:24] <lawman> startx.  screen black again
[06:24] <lawman> can hear login music
[06:24] <will> hi how do i set the ac97clock=48000 cant remember the location!
[06:24] <madstop> apokryphos, are you an ubuntu developer?
[06:24] <lawman> pressed alt-ctl-backspace to kill x.  back at prompt on session f3.
[06:24] <lawman> :(
[06:24] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, he has a via card
[06:25] <apokryphos> madstop: not at all :P
[06:25] <LinuxJones> GnuKemist, he has to put in the pci identifier bus
[06:25] <LinuxJones> GnuKemist, or is that done ?
[06:25] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, thought he was already manually editing the file
[06:25] <GnuKemist> LinuxJones, my bad
[06:25] <lawman> ok. just pressed ok to all the defaults back at prompt now
[06:26] <lawman> startx,
[06:26] <LinuxJones> :)
[06:26] <lawman> and seems to be working!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:26] <lawman> oh boy
[06:26] <LinuxJones> lawman,  sweet
[06:26] <lawman> lol
[06:26] <apokryphos> woo :)
[06:26] <lawman> so is that set for life now?
[06:26] <GnuKemist> lawman, congrats
[06:26] <GnuKemist> lawman, should be
[06:26] <LinuxJones> lawman,  yes if your happy with the resolution
[06:26] <lawman> oh boy
[06:26] <lawman> thanks guys
[06:26] <LinuxJones> ;)
[06:27] <GnuKemist> woot
[06:27] <lawman> resolution seems fine
[06:27] <geneo93> vesa is not very fast
[06:27] <lawman> everything seems to be working fine now
[06:27] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: sorry, I stopped following.. what was needed in the end?
[06:27] <madstop> they should bestow an honorary title of "ubuntu facilitator" on the most helpful folks on this channel, maybe send you all up for a ride on the shuttle with the Canonical guy next time, as a reward ;-)
[06:27] <LinuxJones> geneo93, but it works everytime
[06:27] <GnuKemist> lawman, you typed Vesa right?
[06:27] <lawman> as vesa is not very fast,  what is the end solution i should seek out?
[06:27] <lawman> yes.  it was vesa that got it working
[06:27] <zenwhen> nvidia's drivers are great with both 2d and 3d, so if you have an nvidia card you should use those
[06:27] <GnuKemist> :)
[06:27] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, he jsut had to select vesa as the video driver
[06:28] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  true
[06:28] <heze> zenwhen, via integrated :)
[06:28] <lawman> ok.  so shall i stick with vesa.  or can i get a faster display doing something else?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, still intrigued why via didn't work for you
[06:28] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: oh, vesa. I thought he was using via or something?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, my laptop has via
[06:28] <lawman> is there some kind of log file i can send to someone?
[06:28] <GnuKemist> lawman, and I have it running
[06:28] <lawman> or some forum?
[06:28] <heze> apokryphos, the via driver didn't work for him, vesa works for most of the cases :)
[06:28] <snk00sj> heh, i got it running, i can only list it with root user though
[06:29] <snk00sj> the wiki sais something about making a group, and giving the read permission to that group
[06:29] <apokryphos> heze: generic-ish. Cool.
[06:29] <LinuxJones> I don't know why the devs just don't make vesa the standard it would solve alot of initial problems for new users :)
[06:29] <lawman> ok guys thanks a lot
[06:29] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: worked fine here too; just changed it to nvidia for acceleration etc.
[06:29] <lawman> shall i stick with vesa forever, or try something faster later?
[06:29] <snk00sj> how can i list all the groups with their corresponding gid on linux ?
[06:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah
[06:29] <geneo93> lawman:  dont forget updates
[06:29] <lawman> ok.
[06:30] <lawman> will stick to what i have for now
[06:30] <heze> lawman, if you're satisfied with it, stick to it. if not, try to get via driver working.
[06:30] <optika> snk00sj: cat /etc/group
[06:30] <snk00sj> ty
[06:30] <lawman> well it's better than black. so i'm happy for now.
[06:30] <lawman> thanks again ppl
[06:30] <lawman> bye
[06:30] <LinuxJones> lawman, that's really the hardest part of installing Linux in general
[06:30] <heze> lawman, but unfortunately getting it working might not be trivial
[06:30] <GnuKemist> bye
[06:30] <heze> cya
[06:31] <dabi> is it possible to have gnome panel what shows if somebody connects to me at port 80? and see the ip's connected. i have it now in gkrellm but want it to gnome panel..
[06:31] <GnuKemist> g2g... have a date with 4 loads of laundry
[06:31] <GnuKemist> ttyl guys
[06:31] <GnuKemist> it was fun
[06:31] <apokryphos> GnuKemist: good luck with that. ;)
[06:31] <LinuxJones> bye
[06:32] <GnuKemist> apokryphos, hehehe... the worst part is folding
[06:32] <Coily> is it just me or are there a lot of packages to be updated?
[06:33] <apokryphos> Coily: it depends on the last time you did an update...
[06:33] <LinuxJones> Coily, hoary is moving very fast right now gearing up for release
[06:33] <LinuxJones> Coily, though it should be frozen soon
[06:33] <dabi> i have 243 updates even if i install them..
[06:33] <Coily> the last time was thursday, but ya just making sure i didnt break anything
[06:34] <jesper_> Hi. How do i make gaim use another spellcheck. I dont want english spell check, but swedish. I installed the gspell files for sv.
[06:34] <amiroff> people, how to change mouse settings to lefthanded via xorg.conf ?
[06:34] <geneo93> march 30th is cut off date
[06:34] <LinuxJones> amiroff, hoary ?
[06:35] <LinuxJones> amiroff, gnome-mouse-properties
[06:35] <amiroff> LinuxJones: I am asking this for my friend, he just got Suse 9.2 and it won't let him chnage that to lefthanded, lol
[06:35] <stianh> I have a file, with 800 lines, four things on each line, divided by one empty space. I wish to delete the last three entries on each of the 800 lines. Any suggestinos on how to do it without doing it manually? Each line is different
[06:35] <lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
[06:35] <geneo93> LinuxJones:  has to be
[06:35] <LinuxJones> amiroff, that's like KDE based so I dunno
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: kcontrol > peripherals > mouse
[06:36] <amiroff> LinuxJones: ok, I see
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: or, use sax2 -- I think that's what it's called.
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: yes, it's there but grayed out (disabled) :)
[06:36] <apokryphos> amiroff: but this is the #ubuntu channel ;-)
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: or maybe yast
[06:36] <apokryphos> yeah
[06:36] <amiroff> apokryphos: yeah, ubuntu rules
[06:36] <LinuxJones> amiroff, maybe you need to select the correct mouse in sax2 or whatever it is
[06:36] <lawman> hi all.  thanks again for the vesa.  is there a way to import ms-outlook data into evolution or kontact?
[06:37] <amiroff> LinuxJones: well, it's my friend, he's on windows right now and I wanted to help, suse irc channel sucks hard
[06:37] <LinuxJones> lawman, there is in evolution I think under import maybe ?
[06:37] <LinuxJones> amiroff, google for it I'm sure you'll get a hit
[06:37] <lawman> doesn't seem to do ms-outlook files.
[06:38] <M_Fatih> hi all
[06:38] <M_Fatih> where is my cursor files, in gentoo, it was /usr/share/cursors, & what name is redhat-artwork's package..
[06:38] <LinuxJones> lawman, select single file
[06:38] <LinuxJones> oh he left :(
[06:39] <HiddenWolf> M_fatih: this is not a redhat support channel
[06:39] <LinuxJones> M_Fatih, redhat-artwork
[06:40] <M_Fatih> HiddenWolf, i don't want to redhat support, i need redhat-ARTWORK's name..
[06:40] <M_Fatih> LinuxJones, thnx :)
[06:40] <amiroff> LinuxJones: want some laugh? http://slforums.typo3-factory.net/lofiversion/index.php/t2291.html I cannot believe it!
[06:40] <M_Fatih> how can i change my X cursors?
[06:40] <vaijr2002> anyone know where to get this?   bzlib devel package
[06:41] <klo> hi
[06:41] <vaijr2002> guess i need the tar.gz. dont know how to install rpm's in ubuntu yet
[06:41] <odie5533> How does one start xine-ui after it has been installed? An icon hasn't appeard and the command 'xine-ui' is not found
[06:41] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Use synaptic and search for the package.
[06:41] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you don't install .rpm's in ubuntu, you install .debs
[06:41] <ghita> hello
[06:41] <vaijr2002> did cant find it
[06:41] <vaijr2002> ok
[06:41] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Just use "xine" as the command.
[06:42] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you probably meant libbz2-dev
[06:42] <LinuxJones> odie5533, alt+F2 then start typing
[06:42] <vaijr2002> cant find it in synaptic
[06:42] <klo> i don t know where i am
[06:42] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, you looking for bluecurve?
[06:42] <odie5533> ah, thankyou DarthFrog
[06:42] <Chipzz> (wild guess)
[06:42] <ghita> i want to ask only this:Does anybody have problems with the icon themes?
[06:42] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, yes
[06:42] <vaijr2002> nop chipzz program i am installing says i need bzlib devel
[06:42] <LinuxJones> odie5533, it will automagically complete for you
[06:42] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Do you have universe and multiverse repostitories enabled?
[06:42] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, i'm using the bluecurve metacity theme in ubuntu
[06:42] <vaijr2002> dont think so
[06:42] <geneo93> vaijr2002:  do you have all the repositories enabled
[06:42] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: what is the exact error message
[06:42] <vaijr2002> how do i do that
[06:42] <Jesterace> I had to download it then extract the packages
[06:42] <nirvana> hey everyone, I am new to ubuntu
[06:42] <jalal_ubuntu> how to install mplayer in ubuntu ?
[06:42] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: use Synaptic.
[06:42] <vaijr2002> error: bzlib headers not found. install bzlib devel package
[06:43] <zenrox> jalal_ubuntu, got to compile it your self
[06:43] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, what package do you installed?
[06:43] <vaijr2002> is synaptic the regular install/remove programs thing
[06:43] <nirvana> anyone know how I can get SMB installed?
[06:43] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: you still need libbz2-dev imho
[06:43] <Jesterace> M_Fatih, it wasn't a package that i can remember
[06:43] <Chipzz> s/imho/imnsvho
[06:43] <vaijr2002> ok one sec brb
[06:43] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: try libbz2-dev
[06:43] <M_Fatih> Jesterace, hmm. ok..
[06:43] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Under Settings/Repositories
[06:43] <ghita> icon problems anyone?
[06:44] <odie5533> Hmm... how do I kill a program when the [X]  doesn't work?
[06:44] <LinuxJones> nirvana, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[06:44] <Jesterace> i wound up searching google for it
[06:44] <nirvana> thanks
[06:44] <el_cristiano> http://nanocrew.net/img/vlc-wmv3.jpg  <------ how do i get such a good looking console? (im interested in the font and the readability of it)
[06:44] <vaijr2002> ok thanks
[06:44] <vaijr2002> brb
[06:44] <DarthFrog> odie5533: CLT-ALT-Esc, then click on the window to be killed.
[06:44] <jalal_ubuntu> zenrox, ok thx
[06:45] <apokryphos> *dial-up
[06:45] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, :(
[06:45] <odie5533> It isn't doing anything
[06:45] <vaijr2002> if i am doing ./configure on a lib file, do i need to do make and make install?
[06:45] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Did the cursor turn into a skull & crossbones?
[06:45] <apokryphos> LinuxJones: temporarily, of course ;). Link above loads, erm, slowly. :)
[06:45] <ghita> just upgraded to hoary and my icon theme doesen't work anymore.Please help!
[06:46] <odie5533> no, it didnt
[06:46] <odie5533> it selects the whole screen
[06:46] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, yeah I am waiting for it too :)
[06:46] <Chipzz> vaijr2002: what are you trying to install anyway?
[06:46] <odie5533> then the bars at the top and bottom
[06:46] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Press and hold the Control, Alt and Esc. keys.
[06:46] <odie5533> I did
[06:46] <odie5533> All together
[06:46] <SeeleyUSMC> HAHAHA!    I downloaded the 64bit version for the install...maybe thats why it wouldn't boot right! lol!
[06:46] <odie5533> in order too, lol
[06:46] <vaijr2002> valknut direct connect client
[06:46] <PhxGuy> Cann Anyone Help me with My Ubuntu Installation???? Computer Hangs @ 'Starting Hotplug SubSystem"
[06:47] <vaijr2002> having all kinds of probs installing verlihub , hub program
[06:47] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Well that just might have something to do with your problems. :-)
[06:47] <vaijr2002> mysql probs
[06:47] <odie5533> Is there a way to kill it from the terminal?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> el_cristiano, it looks like bitstrea-vera-sans
[06:48] <LinuxJones> el_cristiano, *bitstream
[06:48] <PhxGuy> Anyone???
[06:48] <teleyinex> hi
[06:48] <teleyinex> im a noob in this distribution
[06:48] <teleyinex> but i came from debian
[06:48] <DarthFrog> odie5533: Yes.  Use "ps auxww" to get the PID number, then "kill -15 (PID number)".
[06:48] <tritium> hi, teleyinex
[06:48] <vaijr2002> error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[06:48] <vaijr2002> eeek
[06:48] <teleyinex> now im strugling with different things like: why my totem doesnt play mpg files?
[06:48] <nic__> I've to disable acpi for booting livecd, but I don't need it anymore
[06:48] <DarthFrog> odie5533: if kill -15 doesn't work, try -3 and finally -9.
[06:49] <teleyinex> what its what i need?
[06:49] <SmokingFire> How do I move my screen?
[06:49] <geneo93> odie5533:  do a pidof (program
[06:49] <nic__> though ubuntu saved that setting and add acpi=off for each kernel
[06:49] <nic__> how do I reenable acpi?
[06:49] <SmokingFire> The image is to much to the right.
[06:49] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell Telep uburestricted
[06:49] <Pyre> Telep: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:49] <geneo93> odie5533:  thel kill that number
[06:50] <SeeleyUSMC> Well then...we'll see in about an hour / hour and a half if its going to work this time :)
[06:50] <SmokingFire> I can use my monitor buttons but that will perhaps disrupt the settings of the other os's I have installed.
[06:50] <odie5533> works, thanks
[06:50] <_quinton> SmokingFire, that depends on your monitor...
[06:50] <jalal_ubuntu> how to make xmms as a default mp3 player
[06:50] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: Is Pyre a bot?
[06:50] <_quinton> oh
[06:50] <apokryphos> yes
[06:50] <teleyinex> thanks
[06:50] <nic__> hey
[06:50] <nic__> nobody knows?
[06:51] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, right click an mp3 file and select open with then fill in hte info
[06:51] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:51] <PhxGuy> anyone care to help me out???
[06:51] <odie5533> Is it better to mount extra hard drives to /media/ or /mnt/ ?
[06:51] <snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100 0 0
[06:51] <apokryphos> odie5533: either is fine.
[06:51] <nic__> only noobs or what
[06:51] <berstein> Hello all.  After upgrading from "Warty" to "Hoary Preview", OpenGL programs stopped working.  The culprit seems to be a TLS library + the NVidia drivers.  Is there a workaround for this?
[06:51] <odie5533> Which is more normal to do?
[06:51] <snk00sj> but i cannot list the mounted directory as non-root user
[06:52] <LinuxJones> nic__, maybe people are busy
[06:52] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, i want it to play the music when i clik on a mp3 file
[06:52] <apokryphos> odie5533: on Mdk, /mnt, on Fedora /media. :S Not sure about debian.
[06:52] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, yeah it will do it if you tell it, it will ask if you want to make it permenant with a clickbox
[06:54] <SeeleyUSMC> What is KUbuntu?
[06:54] <Riddell> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.kubuntu.org.uk
[06:54] <Gandalfar> kde ubuntu
[06:54] <jalal_ubuntu> Linuxok thx
[06:54] <SeeleyUSMC> ahh
[06:54] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: It's KDE on Ubuntu.  The way Ubuntu should be. :-)
[06:55] <klo> this is my first time here i don t even know hod do i arrived herehello to everybody
[06:55] <SeeleyUSMC> that sounds nice
[06:55] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:55] <emacsen> I don't seem to be able to play flac files with xmms
[06:55] <DarthFrog> Hello klo, welcome
[06:55] <SeeleyUSMC> I liked the way kde looked when i tried installing suse and mandrake
[06:55] <Dillweed> hello all I was wondering if any can help me with my nvidia drivers.
[06:55] <jalal_ubuntu> Linux no he don't ask me
[06:55] <klo> hi darthFrog thanx
[06:56] <teleyinex> if i install totem-xine, totem will eliminate totem-gstreamer, is this normal?
[06:56] <tritium> Dillweed, what's the trouble?
[06:56] <Dillweed> I am dual booting with gentoo and have the same nvidia drivers installed on both systems and they both work.  However, the gentoo system get 2000 FPS better than ubuntu
[06:56] <snk00sj> i chmodded /volume/c 777 my fstab file sais : /dev/hda1 /volume/c ntfs ro,auto,gid=100,umask=0007 0 0 but i can only list the dir as root, wha is wrong ?
[06:56] <munki> libpng3 ? -where do I find that? can only find libpng3-dev and Cedega requeres it
[06:56] <M_Fatih> what plugin must i install for totem's wmf support?. or how can i learn totem's all plugins infos..
[06:57] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, no he don't ask me
[06:57] <teleyinex> M_Fatih, im as you are, but what i know its to install totem-xine
[06:57] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, your running warty right ?
[06:57] <M_Fatih> hm
[06:57] <DarthFrog> munki: Try installing the dev file.  It wil depend upon libpng3 and will pull it in.
[06:57] <tritium> Dillweed, what's the difference in your xorg.conf files?
[06:57] <munki> DarthFrog : nope
[06:57] <Dillweed> there is no difference as far as the graphic drivers go
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <munki> DarthFrog : it doesn't
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <PhxGuy> some help here would be greatlt appreciated
[06:57] <DarthFrog> munki: Then it's probably already installed.
[06:58] <munki> DarthFrog : neither
[06:58] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, the releaseone dunno what is it's the 4.10
[06:58] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:58] <SmokingFire> should I install the k7 or i686 kernel image? (I have a barton amd athlon)
[06:58] <munki> DarthFrog : Can't install Cedega because of it
[06:58] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:58] <apokryphos> SmokingFire: k7
[06:58] <Myrtti> is there a way of doing a netinstall from USB memory stick?
[06:58] <zenwhen> K7
[06:58] <DarthFrog> munki: Do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[06:58] <SmokingFire> Does the k7 image support sse and mmx?
[06:58] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[06:58] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, that's Warty I don't remember exactly how to do it I have been running Hoary for 2 lon I guess :)
[06:59] <PhxGuy> I Need help with getting my ubuntu installing working.... Hang during startup @ 'starting hotplug subsystem
[06:59] <LinuxJones> munki, it should be there
[06:59] <munki> nope but I will try
[06:59] <munki> with universe etc.
[06:59] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, try removing all your usb devices and then boot
[07:00] <SeeleyUSMC> Dang...what am I going to do for 1 hour and 50 minutes while I wait for the download?
[07:00] <LinuxJones> munki, it is in universe you need to enable that repository (Hoary anyways dunno bout warty)
[07:00] <Myrtti> Help, I'm stuck in a teletubby land and I want to do a netinstall from a USB stick!?
[07:00] <jalal_ubuntu> LinuxJones, ok thx
[07:00] <PhxGuy> ok will give that a try,,,,, I am downgrading from Hoary hoping my Bluetooth Keyboard will work.....
[07:00] <LinuxJones> jalal_ubuntu, ;)
[07:00] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Take your dog for a walk.
[07:00] <munki> Darthfrog : thanks for the help, it worked :)
[07:00] <DarthFrog> munki: Glad I could help.
[07:01] <netmonk> when I save a file on the desktop I don't see it until next time i start the computer. is there a way I can fix that?
[07:01] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I would, but they don't allow pets except goldfish inside the barracks :)
[07:01] <PhxGuy> Dilweed, I have a External USB Drive...... Will this cause probems..... This is the Initial Boot from when when it is done with the CD
[07:01] <DarthFrog> SeeleyUSMC: Go for a run? :-)
[07:01] <berstein> Anyone having problems with nvidia-glx + tls?
[07:01] <munki> DarthFrog : me to :))
[07:01] <klo> I have a problem, when I try to accept some file during the gaim internet mess. it shut it down
[07:01] <tritium> That would be unsat
[07:01] <SeeleyUSMC> DarthFrog: I just might do that...
[07:01] <kent> netmonk, its a bug i also have seen. Just pressing ctrl+r will make it appear. (refresh..)
[07:02] <codyman> i've installed ndis wrapper and installed the 64 bit versino of broadcom drivers.. now whats the next step?
[07:02] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:02] <kssr> dfg
[07:02] <netmonk> kent, thanks a lot. they just came back after following your advise :)
[07:03] <LinuxJones> ghita, what theme were you using ?
[07:03] <Myrtti> ok, I guess I have to use the old install CD
[07:03] <Myrtti> bbl
[07:03] <kent> netmonk, I have not had the time to fill a bugreport about that in bugzilla.ubuntu.com, perhaps you have some spare time to do it?  Its a thing that should get fixed before next ubuntu  :(
[07:03] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, Any Thoughts on my previous comments???
[07:04] <netmonk> kent, will do
[07:04] <LBM> small question
[07:04] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry.  i was away.  you boot ubuntu from a usb drive?  how come?  I would try dual-booting on your computer and see if that fixes the problem.
[07:04] <LBM> ubuntus (hoary) autoconfiguration of Xorg worked just fine, but when i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg the resolution of my laptop widescreen wasn't detected
[07:04] <Dillweed> LBM, did you make a backup of xorg.conf?
[07:05] <LBM> what steps is used to generate the initial ubuntu Xorg configuration?
[07:05] <LinuxJones> ghita, you can re-install it
[07:05] <DarthFrog> codyman: Have a gander at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/talkback/1104103251/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[07:05] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, No I have an external USB Drive..... Ubuntu is on hdb but i still want to have access to my USB Drive files...
[07:05] <LBM> Dillweed: i didn't, i thought the folks at ubuntu used the xserver-xorg package to configure it initial
[07:05] <tritium> what's going on, ells?
[07:06] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, boot without the drive in and then connect the drive after ubuntu boots then mount it.
[07:06] <ghita> LinuxJones:i was using d3a-iconset
[07:06] <PhxGuy> Dillweed, I vurrently am dualbooting
[07:06] <ghita> LinuxJones:but i tryed etiquete and gnome-svg...non of them worked
[07:06] <Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how the install script works, but I would suspect it isn't the same as updating.
[07:06] <codyman> DarthFrog: ok.. this is weird... if I type in modprobe ndiswrapper it says that ndiswrapper is not found.. but if i type in ndiswrapper its found no problem..
[07:06] <PhxGuy> ok well ill try that.... Dillweed any thoughts on USB Bluetooth Keyboard???
[07:06] <Dillweed> LBM, you can manually add the resolution into your xorg.conf if needed
[07:07] <Dillweed> PhxGuy, sorry man I don't have any experience with bluetooth
[07:07] <DarthFrog> codyman: No idea, sorry.  I've never used ndiswrapper.
[07:07] <PhxGuy> alright thx
[07:07] <LinuxJones> ghita, I am not farmiliar with that iconset :(
[07:08] <vaijr2002> configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[07:08] <vaijr2002> how do i fix that?
[07:08] <LBM> Dillweed: i know, just need to know the steps used to generate the initial Xorg configuration
[07:08] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:08] <madstop> is color depth configurable in kde, or gnome for that matter, all I can find is settings for resolution...
[07:08] <optika> ghita: hey, I had a similar problem
[07:08] <Dillweed> LBM, i'm not sure how.  Why do you need to know that?
[07:08] <optika> ghita: if you run gnome-theme-manager, does it pop up a dialog with something about metacity and gconf?
[07:09] <vaijr2002> grr i am about to switch to mandrake, ubuntu is giving me fits lol
[07:09] <teleyinex> how can i install java in an easy way
[07:09] <Dillweed> LBM, to me it would be easier to change the xorg.conf manually if you are only changing the resolution
[07:09] <teleyinex> im in hoary
[07:10] <Dillweed> teleyinex, try this link http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[07:10] <vaijr2002> so anyone know how to fix this...configure: error: DCLIB must be installed. Use --with-libdc=<path> to set correct path.
[07:10] <codyman> anyone know of a .deb package for amd64 ndiswrapper?
[07:10] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Don't give up so easily.  I'm switching away from Mandrake.
[07:10] <vaijr2002> lol Darth
[07:10] <LBM> Dillweed: if i change it manually, any future autodetection will be disabled
[07:10] <LinuxJones> codyman, there isn't one installed by default ?
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: that's not what i want, i want to fix this problem
[07:11] <codyman> linuxjones:i don't know let me check
[07:11] <vaijr2002> i had to reinstall yesterday did some error that mucked up my add/remove programs
[07:11] <Dillweed> LBM, autodetection of what?  are you planning on changing your monitor?
[07:11] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Same answer.  use synaptic to install libdc
[07:11] <TDM|Linux> People can get help here right? Because I need some help.
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: autodetection of resolutions etc.
[07:11] <vaijr2002> hmm
[07:11] <LBM> Dillweed: i could manually edit all my configurations, but that's not what i want
[07:11] <WW> TDM|Linux: Depends what kind of help you need...
[07:12] <Dillweed> LBM, if the resolutions are in the xorg.conf
[07:12] <DarthFrog> TDM|Linux: Answers are $1, correct answers are $10.  Dumb looks are still free.
[07:12] <TDM|Linux> I need help with my soundcard..using Ubuntu Hoary..
[07:12] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:12] <vaijr2002> Darth they are both installed
[07:12] <LBM> Dillweed: i want to see ubuntu as an easy to use distribution i can recommend
[07:12] <codyman> LinuxJones: No ndiswrapper is installed it seems
[07:12] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Then set the required path.
[07:13] <LinuxJones> codyman, argh that sucks
[07:13] <Dillweed> LBM, i don't know about autodectetion.  but sometimes we need to change things manually.  ubuntu is probably the easiest i've used.
[07:13] <vaijr2002> how do i do that
[07:13] <vaijr2002> and where?
[07:13] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: On the command line that you're trying to run.
[07:13] <LBM> Dillweed: sometimes yes, but this one is quite important imho
[07:13] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: And you'll have to find out the path yourself.
[07:13] <vaijr2002> its ./configure for valknut
[07:13] <Dillweed> LBM, why?
[07:13] <TDM|Linux> Anyone I can talk to about getting my onboard sound card to work in Ubuntu Hoary? I'm quite the noob though so I'll need lots of help..
[07:13] <LBM> maybe i should just go for #ubuntu-devel
[07:13] <LBM> or file a bug
[07:13] <LinuxJones> codyman, hope this helps >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3038.html
[07:14] <Dillweed> LBM, you can but the developers can't always hold our hands :) no offense
[07:14] <madstop> how do check color depth, and change it?
[07:15] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Run "updatedb".  Then run the command "locate libdc" which will show you where it is.  Use that path to pass the switch --with-libdc=(path) to configure.  ie ./configure --with-libdc=(path)
[07:15] <Dillweed> LBM, all the years i've used a linux distro sometimes it is necessary to get the hands dirty :P
[07:16] <LBM> Dillweed: you are free to do your configuration manually, but i see ubuntu as a potential userfriendly distribution
[07:16] <DarthFrog> Dillweed: Sometimes?  How about frequently? :-)
[07:16] <LBM> Dillweed: i always did my configuration work myself, i'm sick and tired of that
[07:16] <Dillweed> LBM, it already is.  you are talking about windows then.
[07:16] <jasp> wow - are all the people here real?
[07:17] <LBM> Dillweed: no, there are still some gliches imho
[07:17] <codyman> i found a mandrake rpm i alien'ed: ndiswrapper_1.0-3_amd64.deb
[07:17] <sandwitch> no i' m fake
[07:17] <TDM|Linux> People go away, they just don't quit.
[07:17] <codyman> should that work?
[07:17] <ghita> I upgraded hoary last night and now my icon theme doesen't work.When i open gnome-theme-manager all the themes have a '?' on them and no preview.Doese anyone know what's wrong?
[07:17] <DarthFrog> jasp: No. This is a channel for solipists. :-)
[07:18] <Dillweed> LBM, windows has glitches also.  Every os has glitches.  the developers can't anticipate every condition their os is going to be run on.
[07:18] <netmonk> ghita, i don't know. that's the first time i hear something like this, sory.
[07:18] <DarthFrog> codyman: DO NOT USE THAT PACKAGE!
[07:18] <codyman> ok
[07:18] <codyman> DarthFrog: why is it bad to use that one?
[07:18] <darkx> codyman, compile your own module from the source
[07:18] <madstop> Dillweed, LBM, kubuntu is, in this humble, non-technically skilled user's opinion, very much more "new user friendly" than the gnome version
[07:18] <Dillweed> LBM, ubuntu has the least amount of configuring that I've found (for a debian based distro) but it still means that often it is necessary to do it to get it working.
[07:18] <jasp> :) darthfrog
[07:19] <DarthFrog> codyman: ndiswrapper is a kernel module.  You must use the specific one for your kernel.
[07:19] <codyman> DarthFrog: IC
[07:19] <ghita> what pakages have to do with gnome themes?
[07:19] <codyman> so i need to find one for the current amd64 ubuntu kernel?
[07:19] <jasp> i may not be able to keep up with this place
[07:19] <Quinn_Storm> I don't know if ndiswrapper will work in 64-bit mode b/c it is designed to wrap 32-bit windows drivers
[07:19] <LBM> Dillweed: haha, hand your mom a copy of linspire and ubuntu and make her install
[07:19] <DarthFrog> codyman: Yes.  Or install the deb-source and compile it.
[07:20] <Dillweed> LBM, I don't think that any linux distro is free of configing.
[07:20] <codyman> Quin: I have the 64 bit Windoze inf file for my card..
[07:20] <DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: Ooh, good point.
[07:20] <LBM> Dillweed: she will not get through the ubuntu installation as easy as linspire
[07:20] <Dillweed> LBM, my mom is dead
[07:20] <Quinn_Storm> codyman: well it might work, not sure
[07:20] <DarthFrog> codyman: you might be phux0red.
[07:20] <LBM> Dillweed: sorry for that, but you get my point
[07:20] <codyman> DarthFrog: phux0red?
[07:21] <DarthFrog> codyman: Think streams and lack of paddles. :-)
[07:21] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:21] <madstop> ubuntu install could be, and I'm very sure will be, easier eventually.
[07:21] <Dillweed> LBM, yes :P  but my point is that linux is not ready for the masses to plug-n-play. it is better but still needs work
[07:21] <LBM> madstop: i think kde is too bloated with configuration options, but great alternative
[07:21] <LBM> Dillweed: that's my point! that's the reason i want this problem to be fixed
[07:22] <DarthFrog> LBM: That's one of the points of Gnome, to remove as much config options as possible.
[07:22] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: I came in late to this, what's the problem specifically you are complaining about?
[07:22] <LBM> DarthFrog: yes? what's your point here?
[07:22] <samberstein> GL programs segfaulting.  nvidia + tls = the problem?  any help will be appreciated...
[07:22] <madstop> have you tried "kubuntu", LBM?  Yes, I can see how it might seem like configuration overkill, but I'm finding it's a lot easier to just do stuff once and forget about it with kubuntu, than with gnome
[07:22] <Dillweed> LBM, file the bug then.  it should help others out.  maybe I'm of the mindset coming from other distros that if you want your linux os to work then manually fix it.
[07:22] <DarthFrog> LBM: I suppose that it might be a defining difference between KDE and Gnome.
[07:23] <PacoBCN> hi
[07:23] <vaijr2002> anyone tried Yoper yet?
[07:23] <LBM> Quinn_Storm: the initial Xorg configuration and the result of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't the same (some resolutions isn't available with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)
[07:23] <PacoBCN> yoper?
[07:24] <PacoBCN> what is it for?
[07:24] <vaijr2002> yup another distro
[07:24] <zenrox> vaijr2002, nope but i know how to prelink like yoper
[07:24] <vaijr2002> looks pretty cool
[07:24] <Fl-i-nT> Network: This printer is connected to a Windows box and i am trying to get it to work but its status is Ready: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...ERROR:  Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL| anybody know what is wrong?
[07:24] <LBM> madstop: i did yesterday, yes
[07:24] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: ah, I don't know enough about how that works to really say, obviously the deb configure scripts need to be updated
[07:24] <vaijr2002> might be better than ubuntu has alot of goodies in it
[07:24] <Dillweed> LBM, i would guess the configure scripts are different.
[07:24] <LBM> madstop: just reinstalled my system to get rid of all kde packages (it's faster than fiddling with the removal of all libs etc.)
[07:25] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: ubuntu has over 16,000 packages available in the repositories.
[07:25] <vaijr2002> yup
[07:25] <LBM> Quinn_Storm: exactly
[07:25] <vaijr2002> i dont know what i did the other day. what update i did, but it messed up synaptec
[07:25] <vaijr2002> i couldnt do anything
[07:25] <Quinn_Storm> LBM: the debconf scripts probably just need to be updated to read the resolutions from read-edid
[07:26] <ferris> which distrobution is the best for non-savvy windows users?
[07:26] <madstop> unless something breaks, I think I'm married to kde for the time being.  If for nothing else than the sheer convenience of many of the apps.
[07:26] <vaijr2002> suse , mandrake, redhat
[07:26] <JDahl> madstop, about KDE being more user friendly: is it truly more userfriendly, or does it just look more like windows, which you know better? I love Gnome because it's simple an unintrusive - that's also a way of defining userfriendliness
[07:26] <LBM> Dillweed: they obviously are
[07:26] <vaijr2002> ubuntu
[07:26] <madstop> and the speed
[07:26] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: Open up a root terminal and issue the command "apt-get update".    It improves on windows, while gnome sometimes seems to think it's its mission to remove functionality and convenience
[07:27] <LBM> madstop: you have the freedom to use what you want :)
[07:27] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: It's one of the menu items.
[07:27] <klo> i mean not stupid for linux just to not understand
[07:27] <Quinn_Storm> ferris: what issues?
[07:27] <vaijr2002> crap
[07:27] <vaijr2002> how do i get a root term
[07:27] <LBM> madstop: i admit gtk+ is lacking behind in speed
[07:27] <vaijr2002> sudo?
[07:27] <ferris> well.... for one you cannot install gnome-sword
[07:28] <ferris> in debian it is apt-get install gnome-sword
[07:28] <DarthFrog> vaijr2002: sudo -s
[07:28] <madstop> The gnome panels are hopeless compared to the kicker; nautilus seems to prefer esthetic calmness over useful info (laudable "artistically" but inefficient for me)
[07:28] <zane> I just installed ubuntu.. it didnt give me an option to choose root password.. is there a default root password?
[07:28] <Fl-i-nT> Is anybody here a Eyecandy sort of person as in they like to customize there enviroment desktop and window decoration?
[07:28] <Quinn_Storm> ferris: well I don't know what to say there...make sure you have universe & multiverse in your repositories and try...what's your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
[07:28] <vaijr2002> got it
[07:28] <PacoBCN> zane, don't really need root
[07:28] <ferris> i had all of them available...
[07:28] <PacoBCN> zane, Ubuntu uses sudo by default
[07:28] <vaijr2002> ok it listed a bunch of url's
[07:28] <G-O-D> hi mortals
[07:28] <zane> i was having problems with the nvidia and tried to donload and installed drivers but it said i have to do it in root
[07:28] <DarthFrog> zane: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:28] <JDahl> madstop, and that's I like Gnome... I definitely know my way around unix, and for me it's great to have something simple that just works... other WMs are too "fancy" for me - so to me gnome is definitely more userfriendly
[07:29] <tritium> ferris, why not submit a request that it be put in universe?
[07:29] <Quinn_Storm> ubuntu tries to force people to use sudo.....all the way to patching kdesu to use sudo (which breaks kcontrol)........that's about the only thing I -don't- like about ubuntu
[07:29] <ferris> i worked on it with some other very savvy... could not be resolved
[07:29] <Goshawk> is there someone that have an account on the ubuntu forum with nickname "mayco"?
[07:29] <Xappe> hmm, now I get GPG errors whentrying to apt-get again
[07:29] <vaijr2002> brb
[07:29] <zane> whats a sudo? i am sorry i am new to linux
[07:29] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell zane ubusudo
[07:29] <Pyre> zane: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:29] <DarthFrog> Quinn_Storm: It's easy enough to add a root password and do things normally.
[07:29] <madstop> You've nailed it on the head, JDahl, I think that's it exactly.  Gnome seems like a desktop manager for those who don't really need desktop managers.
[07:29] <garrut> Quinn_Storm: it's not like you have to use sudo if you don't want to...
[07:29] <apokryphos> zane: You can do commands as you, but with root permissions.
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> garrut: actually since they patched kdesu I'm stuck w/ the broken ubuntu kdesu
[07:30] <tritium> zane, did you try the ubuntu-supplied nvidia drivers first?
[07:30] <Quinn_Storm> DarthFrog: I already unlocked the root user & stuff
[07:30] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: How can I find out what Pyre offers?
[07:30] <Fl-i-nT> What is a major difference in these Distro's i am new to linux and i am only 14 years old and i have tried Mandrake 10.1 and Ubuntu (currently using Ubuntu) and i see no difference only that the ubuntu install was less mouse using than mandrake and that mandrake seemed to crash all the time
[07:30] <apokryphos> ferris: I find it odd that it's "not installable", unrecoverable error. Bibletime works fine here, though. I guess you could always compile gnomesword
[07:30] <zane> tritium.. no i didnt know that,,
[07:30] <Fl-i-nT> apart from that what is there major diffence
[07:30] <madstop> But man, gnome just requires way to much click click clicking for me, and 3/4 s of the time, it's easier to just use the terminal anyway.
[07:31] <apokryphos> ferris: certainly the first packge I've heard about that someone's said will not work
[07:31] <m4f4> http://fek.az :)
[07:31] <tritium> zane, I would recommend that first
[07:31] <apokryphos> DarthFrog: there's no option for that at the mo, unfortunately.
[07:31] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: Pick one or the other and stick with it until you know it.  Then you can make your own comparison. Both Ubuntu and Mandrake are good.
[07:32] <zane> i see.. is there a command for that or is there something like Yast update with ubuntu
[07:32] <DarthFrog> apokryphos: Darn.  Pyre looks useful.
[07:32] <Fl-i-nT> DarthFrog, ok i am sticking with Ubuntu i preffere it abit more and mandrake is a pain in the back side
[07:32] <ftwig> o dear - I actidentely changed the permisions on a lot of my files in /etc, / ... and now when I try to log in get 'GDM could not write your authorization file' anyone know whitch file it is refuring to?
[07:32] <tritium> zane, yes, Yast was written to imitate apt
[07:32] <madstop> anyway, ubuntu's gnome is great gnome, ubuntu's kde is fantastic (I never liked kde before); I'm hoping for a ubunutu optimized xfce next!
[07:33] <zane> can i use apt-get to install nvidia driver?
[07:33] <JDahl> madstop, yeah.. I also do everything from a terminal. And I think you're right that Gnome is intentionally designed for more technically skilled people
[07:33] <tritium> zane, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/
[07:33] <Ghost_Two> does anyone in here use ubuntu on a laptop?
[07:33] <tritium> zane, scroll down to the nVidia section
[07:33] <tritium> Ghost_Two, yes
[07:34] <Xappe> Ghost_Two, yep, on an ibook g3
[07:34] <Fl-i-nT> that was wierd why did my X-chat suddenly close down?
[07:34] <sic|> some dude named pwnzor kicked you Fl-i-nT
[07:34] <sic|> jk
[07:34] <Ghost_Two> I have a question, I'm using a dell laptop and when I hit the Fn + another key to adjust the volume, the laptop locks up
[07:34] <zane> tritium... thanx a lot man.. u really helped me a lot.. i wish i knew about this howto website.. lol
[07:35] <Ghost_Two> does anyone have experience with this?
[07:35] <tritium> zane, no problem :)
[07:35] <tritium> zane, let me know if you have any problems
[07:35] <ftwig> anyone know what the t on the end of the permisions for /tmp is
[07:35] <WillCooke> Hey guys, what's that open-source version of vmware called?
[07:35] <madstop> Jdahl, what I can't understand though about the "technically skilled people" though, is how you all have the patience for such poor design as those gnome panels?  I mean, it's absurd the amount of time one has to waste just to add applets, and the selection of applets is very small, and they're often lame.
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> HELP!!!!!
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> why is it my programmes are shuting down all of a sudden
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> ???
[07:36] <tritium> Ghost_Two, that doesn't happen on my Dell C840.  What model do you have>
[07:36] <tritium> ?
[07:36] <sic|> ftwig, did you try to do a man on chmod?
[07:36] <Ghost_Two> I have a 5000e
[07:36] <Fl-i-nT> first X-chat then Firefox
[07:36] <madstop> I get the feeling that the gnome gui is desighned by folks who are a little contemptuous of people who may actually want quick, one or two click access to stuff
[07:36] <Ghost_Two> it's a hard freeze too
[07:36] <LinuxJones> madstop, like ?
[07:37] <JDahl> madstop, I added a terminal launcher and the weather watching applet to my panel - that's it... didnt seem like a big deal to me
[07:37] <Fl-i-nT> does anyone know why my Ubuntu is closing down my programmes for no reason at all?
[07:37] <Fl-i-nT> it jsut does it with no warning
[07:37] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:37] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: it could be hardware problems...
[07:37] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: like too little memory.
[07:38] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you knwo what area of the hardware?
[07:38] <madstop> kind of my point, JDahl-- if you wanted to add more, you'd find it too time consuming.  All that stuff is poorly thought out.
[07:38] <Blissex> Fl-i-nT: you are assuming telepathy here...
[07:38] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, RAM or Hardrive?
[07:38] <klo> hey guys...really I need help my messenger is shuting down everytime i try to receive or send something and I can install Totem real player waht i m supposed to do please
[07:38] <tritium> Fl-i-nT, that's too random with too little information to know
[07:38] <ghita> problem:when i plug in a cd no icon is displayed on desktop.What's wrong?Please help!
[07:38] <Ghost_Two> I will probably just use the ubuntu controls instead of the hardware buttons
[07:38] <Blissex> ghita: dont repeat your question more often than 5 minutes.
[07:39] <Fl-i-nT> Blissex, do you know a command in terminal which could tell me my partitions and ram space please?
[07:39] <tritium> Ghost_Two, look at the log files in /var/log for any errors.  Maybe you can track down what's happening.
[07:39] <Blissex> ghita: unfortunately all our telepathic clairvoyant help people are busy on other lines...
[07:39] <Xappe> i'm thinking of using a 120 GB disk for ubuntu and win, and a 300 GB disk for storage (no actual need for win to reach the 300 GB disk). what filesystem is best for the big one ? ext3?
[07:39] <LinuxJones> Anybody running vlc video player ??
[07:39] <DarthFrog> Fl-i-nT: for partitions, cfdisk.  For RAM, try top.