[01:12] <RoyK> openfire, nacc et al: bug #1059541 is a good example of how things aren't really cared for in the ubuntu server camp
[15:49] <kantlivelong> ahasenack: comparing the output of rpc.gssd between 16.04 and 18.04 looks very different
[15:57] <kantlivelong> it looks like 16.04 is looking for a machine entry with the FQDN where 18.04 uses the short name
[16:05] <kantlivelong><EMAIL_ADDRESS>vs<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:06] <kantlivelong> not sure if thats configurable
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> welcome Curtman
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> perhaps also mention the ubuntu server version to the channel
[16:14] <Curtman> I'm using open-iscsi to connect to a target, I would like to do 'rmmod g_mass_storage; modprobe g_mass_storage file=/dev/sda stall=0' each time the initiator connects to a particular target.  Does anyone know how to make that happen?
[16:14] <Curtman> Ubuntu 18.04
[16:16] <Curtman> Initially I tried adding 'modprobe g_mass_storage file=/dev/sda stall=0' to rc.local, but found that it does that before the initiator connects to the target.  Does anyone have an idea how to make that happen after iscsid in systemd?  My systemd-foo is not good.
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> idle here a bit Curtman, as we have different timezones volunteers might read a bit later when wakeup/back from away
[16:20] <Curtman> Yep,  I'm not sure this is the best place to ask but I cant seem to find a better one.
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> Curtman: if you have ubuntu server your question fits right in here
[16:25] <Curtman> Well, the target is on a Ubuntu Server with the tgt package.  The Initiator would be any debian based distro with open-iscsi.  I'm hoping to make a rasperry pi zero (raspbian distro) connect to an iscsi target at boot, then use the g_mass_storage gadget to make the pi look like a usb mass storage device to whatever it is plugged in to.
[16:29] <Curtman> Everything works wonderfully if I ssh into the pi and modprobe the kernel module manually each boot.  I'd like to find a way to automate that each time the target is connected.
[17:37] <Curtman> More googling leads me to believe my answer is udev. 'udevadm info -a -n sda' provides a bunch of information.  Possibly I need to figure out how to create udev rules that insert and remove the module.
[18:03] <TJ-> Curtman: you need to remove/re-insert the module, or just insert it once at the correct time?
[18:06] <Curtman> Ideally remove it when the iscsi target disconnects and insert it when it connects.  I think this is a good clue:  https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=3684654  "all iSCSI disks (identified by the vendor ID IET) will be ..."
[18:17] <TJ-> Curtman: you could add a udev.rules file, firing on ADD/REMOVE events, matching on the iSCSI device. e.g. ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", ENV{ID_VENDOR}=="IET",RUN+="/sbin/modprobe g_mass_storage stall=0 file=/dev/$kernel"  and a similar ACTION=="remove" to do RUN+="/sbin/modprobe -r g_mass_storage"
[18:19] <Curtman> Thank you very much TJ-
[19:06] <Curtman> TJ-, I must be missing something, I've added exactly this to /etc/udev/rules.d/99-com.rules: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", ENV{ID_VENDOR}=="IET", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe g_mass_storage stall=0 file=/dev/sda"
[19:06] <Curtman> It doesn't seem to be happening.
[19:07] <Curtman> I tried restarting udev, and even rebooting to be sure..  It should happen when I restart the open-iscsi service, /dev/sda disappears then reappears when I start it.
[19:08] <TJ-> Curtman: to begin with, I suggested using the udev variable to make it mroe modular, as in "...file=/dev/$kernel"
[19:10] <TJ-> Curtman: you need to ensure all the match entries do match (the == ) - I may not have it entirely correct, so you need to use "udevadm info ..." to check what the relevant keys/attributes are
[19:15] <Curtman> Yes, I think I've got it now.. ATTRS instead of ENV..  This seems to work: ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{vendor}=="IET     ", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe g_mass_storage stall=0 file=/dev/sda"
[19:16] <Curtman> Thanks very much for your helo
[19:16] <Curtman> help


[06:11] <mup> PR snapd#13231 closed: packaging: fix i18n patch for debian-sid <Test Robustness> <Created by andrewphelpsj> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13231>
[07:01] <Guest5602> rpocase, better ask on the forum, this channel has kind of turned into a bot-only place
[07:53] <mup> PR core20#157 closed: Use ucdev ppa instead of ubuntu-image <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/157>
[09:27] <mup> PR snapd#13235 opened: Feature/notices api <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13235>
[11:53] <lissyx> anyone with expertise at snap level? I failed to find accurate docs on the matter of aliases, but I'm really tempted to say it's a WONTFIX by design of snap?: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1825103
[12:40] <ogra> lissyx, well, i think the issue is that there are multiple apps in that snap and only one can actually be aliased by snapd ATM ... so yeah, sounds like "wontfix" but a bug against snapd should be in order to make it handle multiple apps in a snap at parallel installs
[12:41] <lissyx> ogra, would it be a legit usecase?
[12:42] <ogra> lissyx, well, if i want to parallel install snaps that have multiple binaries these multiple binaries need to be taken into account somehow ... looks t me like that is not happening atm
[12:43] <ogra> could be either by supressing the second (and further) apps from the additionally installed snaps or by having something like a "--suffix" option that applies a suffic to all binaries or something along these lines
[12:44] <ogra> but it is surely not solvable on a snap side level like in the FF snap
[12:44] <lissyx> that's not a problem for me
[12:44] <lissyx> I am just wondering whether it's useful to file an issue upstream or not
[12:44] <ogra> i think it is, at least for awareness
[12:53] <lissyx> ok, so snapd?
[12:53] <ogra> yep
[12:54] <lissyx> where, it looks like issues are not open on github ?
[12:54] <ogra> ubuntu-bug snapd or on launchpad on the snapd project, both should work
[13:10] <lissyx> ogra, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/2037648
[13:10] <mup> Bug #2037648: Parallel installs of snap should allow for aliases to work <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037648>
[13:16] <ogra> ❤
[13:16] <ogra> thanks !
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#13224 closed: tests: fix selinux-lxd in centos-7 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13224>
[13:38] <mup> PR snapd#13027 closed: locale_control: add locale1 dbus support <Created by sergio-costas> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13027>
[14:14] <lissyx> ogra, I can't find it, is there a strip() process applied during the snap construction process?
[14:14] <lissyx> I'm having a look at my debug build and it does not have all the expected symbols
[14:28] <ogra> no, ther is no stripping usually ... unless your build system applies it
[14:29] <ogra> (libs pulled in from the archive are stipped though ... thats a general thing for debs)
[14:45] <mup> PR snapcraft#4385 opened: feat(remote-build): get build id <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4385>
[18:35] <mup> PR snapd#13236 opened: osutil: move to useradd from adduser <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13236>
[19:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#4380 closed: ci: download snap to tests dir <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4380>
[21:56] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4386 opened:  stage-packages pull, fails for arm64 target architecture <Bug> <Created by ArcherThompson> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4386>


[00:08] <jml> mwhudson, when would be a good time for a call?
[00:09] <mwhudson> jml: now would be pretty good
[00:09] <jml> mwhudson, ok. I'll grab my headset
[00:10] <mwhudson> me too
[00:11] <mwhudson> jml: what tech do you want to try today?
[00:11] <jml> mwhudson, let's give skype a chance
[00:11] <mwhudson> ok
[00:11] <mwhudson> maybe i'll try it with pasuspender today
[00:14] <mwhudson> ffs
[00:14] <mwhudson> not working at all
[00:15] <jml> mwhudson, I can call your landline, maybe.
[00:15] <mwhudson> jml: hm, can i call you on one?
[00:15] <mwhudson> i'd rather use my cell
[00:15] <jml> mwhudson, sure.
[00:15] <jml> gimme a sec to get the number
[00:16] <wgrant> Have you guys tried Empathy's voice chat?
[00:26] <jml> wgrant, no, I haven't.
[00:32] <wgrant> I found that it worked pretty well.
[00:44] <mwhudson> jml: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/345035/
[00:53] <mwhudson> jml: oh heh
[00:53] <mwhudson> jml: i have a branch that upgrades us to bzr 2.1b4
[00:53] <mwhudson> jml: and removes some cruft
[00:53] <mwhudson> jml: want to review that?
[00:53] <jml> mwhudson, yes please
[00:54] <mwhudson> jml: ok, my ec2test of -vv codehosting just came back with 35 errors so i should fix that first :-)
[00:54] <mwhudson> and also have lunch
[00:54]  * mwhudson noms
[00:54] <jml> mwhudson, ok. :)
[01:33] <mars> clever code:  print 'To exit press Ctrl-' + ['C', 'Break'][sys.platform=='win32']
[02:19] <mwhudson> mars: that's the pejorative use of the word 'clever'
[02:42] <jml> I'm reminded of Alan Perlis' thing about debugging
[02:43] <jml> also, pretty much all of the K&R book :)
[02:43] <jml> oh wait
[02:44] <jml> that wasn't Perlis, that was Kernighan
[02:44] <jml> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." – Brian W. Kernighan
[02:44] <jml> that means it's lunch time.
[03:24] <jtv> Did PQM break overnight?
[03:25] <wgrant> Can someone please ec2land https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/less-crackful-ddeb-tests/+merge/16393 for me?
[03:26] <jtv> wgrant: I'll try that
[03:26] <wgrant> jtv: Thanks.
[03:27] <jtv> wgrant: that's on the way in.
[03:52]  * mwhudson EOYs, more or less
[03:52] <mwhudson> will be around for a bit, otherwise see you in 2010
[03:57] <jtv> mwhudson: happy holidays, see you on the other side
[07:14] <jml> good night all
[08:57] <wgrant> buildbot hates either me or stub :(
[08:57] <wgrant> It also stutters.
[09:15] <wgrant> Ah, thanks.
[09:15] <wgrant> stub: ^^
[09:21] <stub> ?
[09:21]  * stub was offline and doesn't have scrollback
[09:22] <wgrant> stub: Just thanking you for the explanation of the buildbot explosion.
[10:02] <jtv> wgrant: your less-crackful-ddeb-tests branch has landed
[10:03] <wgrant> jtv: I saw that. Thanks.
[10:08] <wgrant> bazaar.launchpad.net could do with a more informative downtime page.
[10:10] <jtv> wgrant: they wouldn't let me add a link to sourceforge as an alternative, sorry
[10:44] <jtv> stub: tests log into the db as "launchpad" by default, right?
[10:44] <stub> jtv: Yes
[10:45] <jtv> Gah.  I just created a table in my branch; I granted select/insert on it to "launchpad" in security.cfg and the _template dbs, and yet my test gets a permissions failure on an insert to that table.
[10:51] <jtv> stub, any ideas on what I'm missing?
[10:52] <stub> make schema?
[10:52] <stub> Oh - you manually granted
[10:52] <stub> Did you manually grant access to the sequence too? make schema is easier.
[10:54] <jtv> head -> keyboard
[10:55] <jtv> would it be possible for me to get a db patch number assigned now, before review?  that way I can have it run as part of the make schema
[10:57] <jtv> stub: (I could just pick one for now, but somewhere down the line I'd cause myself trouble)
[10:57] <stub> Usually people use -99 or something
[10:58] <stub> I could give you -22 now, but you would have to tell me what you are doing for my notes.
[10:59] <jtv> stub: np.  I'm creating a IBuildFarmJob implementation so we can dispatch jobs (generation of translation templates based on branch changes) to the build farm.
[10:59] <jtv> stub: it's a sibling to BuildPackageJob
[10:59] <stub> We are building farms in addition to packages?
[11:00] <jtv> moooo
[11:00] <jtv> the build farm is being generalised to do other jobs than just building packages, and one of them is this re-generating of translation templates business
[11:00] <stub> 2207-22-0.sql
[11:01] <jtv> thanks
[11:08] <Aim_> maxb, elmo: i find apache a horrible pig ^^
[11:24] <elmo> Aim_: then you're going to be horrified by launchpad itself.  apache will be the least of your problems.  *shrug*
[12:18] <Aim_> elmo: i know :(
[12:18] <Aim_> dont get me wrong, i like python
[12:18] <Aim_> but zope... something a bit painfull
[12:18] <Aim_> somethimes*
[12:18] <Aim_> sigh
[12:19] <Aim_> s/th/t/
[13:59] <jtv> al-maisan: when you're done with what you're doing, will I need to implement pendingJobsQuery in my own buildfarmjob type?
[14:29] <al-maisan> jtv: yes
[14:29] <al-maisan> that's the idea
[14:30] <jtv> al-maisan: I had a similar approach to yours in mind for the specific_job_classes...  Weren't you also playing with gathering those automatically earlier?
[14:32] <al-maisan> jtv: yes and noodles775 also had some ideas, see lines 25-38 in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/345305/
[14:33] <jtv> al-maisan: thanks, more to read.  Probably for tomorrow.  :-)
[14:35] <al-maisan> jtv: yeah .. the upshot is that the current "job dispatch time estimation" branch is too big and needs to be split in manageable chunks
[14:38] <jtv> al-maisan: which reminds me.  I can now create my own buildfarmjob objects (with associated buildqueue & job entries).  I can unit-test my new classes, as well as navigation between those 3 types of records... anything else you can think of that I could start testing now that I have that?
[14:41] <al-maisan> jtv: nothing immediate comes to mind .. once I have the branch that introduces the pendingJobsQuery() interface method you could implement that and unit test it?
[14:41] <jtv> al-maisan: definitely, yes
[14:41] <al-maisan> it will probably take me another 90 minutes to put up the merge proposal
[14:42] <al-maisan> .. and then it needs to be reviewed
[14:50] <jtv> al-maisan: nice... that could be something useful for me tomorrow then.
[14:51] <al-maisan> yup
[14:57] <aleksander_m> In the Launchpad Development webpage, section "Getting", it is said that in order to get the source of Launchpad you need to get the rocketfuel-setup script from a bazaar branch, and then execute it
[14:57] <aleksander_m> unfortunately, the given URL for the branch is not found...
[14:58] <aleksander_m> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/utilities/rocketfuel-setup
[14:58] <aleksander_m> any idea?
[15:03] <jtv> aleksander_m: ouch, you're right...  and the person I'd normally ask isn't here at the moment
[15:04] <aleksander_m> jtv: I see
[15:04] <jtv> salgado-lunch: as an arbitrary victim in a more suitable timezone, I am hereby notifying you that aleksander_m just discovered that the link to rocketfuel-setup on the "Getting" page is broken
[15:36] <aleksander_m> jtv: salgado is back
[15:36] <salgado> not really, I just need to sort out some stuff but I didn't have lunch yet
[15:36] <jtv> aleksander_m: too late, looks like he read my message :-)
[15:37] <aleksander_m> ah ;-)
[15:42] <salgado> aleksander_m, but I'll fix the link once I come back
[15:43] <aleksander_m> salgado: thanks!
[16:00] <mars> anyone else notice that the bzr 2.1b4 upgrade broke 'make' in new branches?  Apparently it needs Pyrex
[16:09] <mars> and 'make schema' now depends on libapr1-dev, which I also do not have installed.  When did that happen?
[16:37] <mars> It appears our development environment may be broken on Jaunty.  That explains all of the 'make' errors I was getting.
[16:38] <mars> launchpad-soyuz-dependencies: Depends: dpkg (>= 1.15.4) but 1.14.24ubuntu1 is installed.
[16:40] <mars> I assume that means launchpad-developer-dependencies is only installable on Jaunty if we backport dpkg.
[21:18] <wgrant> mars: Argh.You can fix that by just copying dpkg, debhelper and devscripts from Hardy to Jaunty.
[21:19] <mars> wgrant, Hardy to Jaunty?
[21:20] <wgrant> mars: Yes. We backported the necessary versions from Karmic to Hardy.
[21:20] <wgrant> They'll work fine on Jaunty too.
[21:21] <mars> wgrant, cool, thanks for the tip
[21:59] <maxb> I guess there aren't any library issues that could make it need a rebuild for jaunty?
[22:02] <wgrant> maxb: dpkg doesn't have a huge number of binary dependencies.
[22:31] <maxb> Think I should just go ahead and copy the debsrc3.0 backports to jaunty then?
[22:33] <wgrant> maxb: I would say so.


[03:52] <liuxg> why a property defined in Page is not recognized if it is not referred as something like "page.a"? In other cases, it can be directly referred as "a" directly?
[04:41] <Drew_Neilson> Is anyone in here active?  I have a question
[05:38] <nhaines> !question
[05:38] <nhaines> Drew_Neilson: Just peeked in... but in theory I could've answered you if you'd asked.  :)  Don't worry, IRC's a little different that way.  :)
[05:41] <Drew_Neilson> oh
[05:42] <Drew_Neilson> so I'd like to know, is Ubuntu Touch 3.5 the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch?
[05:43] <Drew_Neilson> I was looking at a list of changelogs, and it appears to be so, but I wanted to ask so I could be sure.
[05:46] <Drew_Neilson> !question
[05:47] <Drew_Neilson> nhaines I'd like to know, is Ubuntu Touch 3.5 the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch?
[05:47] <Drew_Neilson> I was looking at a list of changelogs, and it appears to be so, but I wanted to ask so I could be sure.
[05:50] <atmpuser> hello, i have an old galaxy nexus and try to run ubuntu on it. I read the manual "porting-new-device", but is is too simple in the chapter "Enabling a new device".  i do not known how to do, next. what i should read next, can anyone offer me some suggestions. thanks!
[05:52] <nhaines> 3.5?
[05:52] <nhaines> Drew_Neilson: what device are you running it on?
[05:53] <nhaines> atmpuser: I believe that porting Ubuntu to the Galaxy Nexus is impossible because there are no compatible graphics drivers available.
[06:21] <Drew_Neilson> I'm sorry nhaines, I had to disappear for a moment.  I'm back.  I don't have a device, I was just wondering what the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch is.
[06:21] <nhaines> Drew_Neilson: Ah, no worries.
[06:21] <Drew_Neilson> Is it 3.5?
[06:21] <nhaines> It's different for every device.  I *believe* it's r21 on bq and r19 on Nexus 4.
[06:22] <Drew_Neilson> why is it different on every device?
[06:22] <Drew_Neilson> different drivers?
[06:24] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[06:25] <nhaines> Basically, it's a little like asking "What's the latest version of Ubuntu 15.04?"  You just install it and run all the updates.
[06:28] <nhaines> The latest update is nicknamed OTA-3.5 (because it was a smaller update since OTA-4 was delayed) but that doesn't really tell you what to download from the server, which will be an 'r' number.
[06:28] <Drew_Neilson> well, my reason for asking is I wanted to do a Google search for [stability OR bugs iOS-8.3 vs Android-5.1.1 vs "Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] to see if there are any web pages that compare the stability of each of these OSes, and/or talk about bugs in them.  If there are none, then I wanted to Google [stability OR bugs "Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] to learn about any stability issues or bugs in version 3.5
[06:28] <Drew_Neilson> .  But I realized I needed to make sure that 3.5 is the latest "stable" version.
[06:31] <Drew_Neilson> nhaines given what I'm trying to search for, should I say ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5] in my queries, or should I say something else?
[06:32] <nhaines> I'd be shocked if that came up with anything meaningful.
[06:32] <nhaines> I can say that the OS has gotten progressively more stable, and "OTA-4" is going to jump from a 14.10 base to a 15.04 base.  So it's likely to be bad timing anyway since the entire OS is going to change in the next update.
[06:33] <nhaines> (Scheduled for end of the month, with final QA testing and signoff probably in the first week of June.)
[06:33] <Drew_Neilson> Good that I'm chatting with you then, so that I know this!
[06:34] <nhaines> Yeah, it's a little different.  :)
[06:36] <Drew_Neilson> Ok, so what I gather is that Ubuntu Touch uses a different version system than desktop Ubuntu, and that each version of Ubuntu Touch is based on one of the versions of desktop Ubuntu.  And that Ubuntu Touch 4 will be based on Ubuntu 15.04.
[06:37] <nhaines> The next official over-the-air release to hit the retail Ubuntu phones will be based on Ubuntu 15.04.
[06:38] <nhaines> But I've been running that on my tablet for about two months.  And on my phone I'd go back and forth.
[06:38] <Drew_Neilson> nhaines I guess you're in the development channel, not the stable channel, right?
[06:40] <nhaines> Yup.  Of course, it helped that the stable channel was completely useless on the tablet.  :)
[06:40] <nhaines> They're changing all the channels, though, soon.
[06:40] <Drew_Neilson> how so?
[06:42] <nhaines> I'm not entirely sure.  But I think it's going to make things easier when they have many devices out on the market.
[06:42] <Drew_Neilson> Also, if the retail phones are currently running version 3.5, and will soon be upgraded to 4.0, what are the Nexus devices running?
[06:43] <Drew_Neilson> stable channel, that is
[06:43] <nhaines> They're running whatever the developer put on them.
[06:43] <nhaines> I can only imagine most are using devel instead of devel-proposed.
[06:44] <Drew_Neilson> but with Nexus devices, Canonical IS the developer, right?
[06:44] <Drew_Neilson> oh, nevermind, I just got what you meant
[06:44] <nhaines> The developer is whomever is holding the phone in their hand.  :)
[06:44] <Drew_Neilson> right
[06:45] <nhaines> Basically, all phone development this year has been "Make sure the bq Aquaris works right" with "fix the Nexus 4 if there's time" as the goals.
[06:46] <Drew_Neilson> What I meant to ask is, what is the most recent stable version of Ubuntu Touch for Nexus devices, and will a newer version be coming out soon like it is for the retail devices?
[06:46] <Drew_Neilson> and what desktop version is it based on?
[06:47] <nhaines> I don't know because I'm running it on my Nexus 5.  Which I think tends to coorespond to the N4 build numbers but I'm not sure.  :)
[06:47] <Drew_Neilson> ok
[06:49] <Drew_Neilson> my whole reason for asking all of these questions, is so that I can do the Google searches I described above, and I wanted to use the latest versions of each OS in my query (iOS 8.3, Android 5.1.1, Ubuntu Touch 3.5, etc.)
[06:49] <nhaines> The OS almost never crashes.  Sometimes apps do, but usually due to app bugs.  There was a Unity 8 crasher occasionally but because everything's transitioning from utopic to vivid and the bug was rare, I don't think anyone ever followed up on it.
[06:49] <nhaines> I'm not sure "stable" is going to be a very good metric.
[06:50] <nhaines> Everyone's angry about Android 5.0, 5.0.2, 5.1, and now 5.1.1 is coming out I think on the Nexus 5, but it's been stable for me.
[06:50] <Drew_Neilson> well I figured "stable" would make more sense for all OSes, because "development" versions are, by definition, more likely to have bugs, right?
[06:52] <nhaines> Yes, but a lot of bugs don't affect stability.
[06:52] <nhaines> And all three OSes are so entirely, utterly different from each other you might as well research stability of airplanes vs. steamboats vs. bicycles.
[06:54] <nhaines> There's just not likely to be any basis for comparison.  iOS is a heavily modified BSD with some mobile framework, Android is a Java reimplementation and Ubuntu is a QT stack.
[06:55] <Drew_Neilson> well the bugs in iOS 8 have made the tech news headlines, and I'd also read about bugs in Android 5.x, so I wanted to do a comparison (and add Ubuntu, Windows Phone 8.1, etc.) in order to put them in context.
[06:57] <nhaines> Any headlines are going to focus on the bq Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition phone, not the N4.
[06:59] <Drew_Neilson> That would make sense, since the BQ is a consumer phone, while Ubuntu for N4 is not a retail phone.
[07:00] <nhaines> And has been out of manufacture for over two years now.  :)
[07:00] <Drew_Neilson> right
[07:01] <nhaines> Plus, I don't think there are any networks of websites dedicated to Ubuntu phones as there are for Android and iOS devices.  :)
[07:02] <nhaines> Just be thoughtful when comparing search results, is what I'm suggesting.
[07:02] <Drew_Neilson> right
[07:04] <Drew_Neilson> but back to a question I asked earlier, if I had a Nexus 4 and wanted to run the latest stable version of Ubuntu Touch on it, what version would it be?  3.5?  and how do the "r" versions factor in?
[07:06] <nhaines> nhaines@savanna:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --device mako
[07:06] <nhaines> 2015/05/24 00:06:27 Device is |mako|
[07:06] <nhaines> 2015/05/24 00:06:27 Flashing version 19 from ubuntu-touch/stable channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device mako
[07:06] <nhaines> So it looks like r19 is the latest stable version for the Nexus 4.
[07:07] <nhaines> Every time a build is promoted, the release number increments.
[07:09] <Drew_Neilson> does r19 correspond directly to Ubuntu Touch 3.5?
[07:10] <nhaines> It probably corresponds to OTA-3.5
[07:10] <nhaines> "Ubuntu Touch" doesn't exist as such and the Ubuntu running on the devices are rolling releases.  the OTA-3.5 thing is more of a milestone for bug and feature tracking than anything else.
[07:13] <Drew_Neilson> basically, I'm trying to figure out which term to use in my search:  ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5], ["Ubuntu Touch"-r19], or ["Ubuntu Touch"-3.5 OR "Ubuntu Touch"-r19]
[07:14] <nhaines> I doubt any of those will work.
[07:15] <nhaines> "OTA-3.5" might be the most effective.
[07:15] <Drew_Neilson> I'm trying to be as inclusive as possible with latest versions.  Perhaps I should find out what r version the other Nexus devices run.
[07:18] <nhaines> The Nexus 7 doesn't run the current OTA version at all.
[07:18] <nhaines> And devel/ubuntu r2 is ancient.  I'm running devel-proposed/ubuntu r207 on my Nexus 7.
[07:23] <nhaines> The -proposed channel builds daily and then that's frozen and tested and promoted to the standard channel, with a different revision number.
[07:23] <nhaines> And of course, they're changing the way that works--I'm waiting for the final announcement to really read up on how.
[07:25] <Drew_Neilson> where will they post this announcement?
[07:26] <nhaines> The ubuntu-phone mailing list: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/
[07:27] <nhaines> As per https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12875.html
[07:28] <Drew_Neilson> Thanks
[07:29] <Drew_Neilson> It's getting WAY past my bedtime, so I think I'd better go :-)  Gotta go to sleepytown
[07:29] <nhaines> Oh, looks like the documentation did update though.  I thought they hadn't published it yet: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[07:29] <nhaines> Haha, all right.  Hopefully it'll all make sense in the morning.
[07:29] <nhaines> Good luck!
[07:30] <Drew_Neilson> oh, so that has info on the new versioning system?
[07:31] <nhaines> Looks like.  I suspect on Monday or Tuesday there will be better information.
[07:31] <Drew_Neilson> Good to know, thanks.
[07:31] <Drew_Neilson> And now, off to sleepytown
[07:31] <nhaines> Good night!
[07:32] <Drew_Neilson> night


[12:10] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, pretty please update virtualbox kernel modules for xenial?
[12:14] <rtg> LocutusOfBorg, it is currently at 5.0.16-dfsg-2 - Is there some serious bug ?
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure
[12:15] <LocutusOfBorg> kernel fixes for 4.6
[12:16] <rtg> LocutusOfBorg, are you talking about the DKMS package ?
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, and guest-dkms
[12:16] <LocutusOfBorg> uploading a new virtualbox now
[12:17] <rtg> ok - so the kernel team does not maintain that package. I'm mostly concerned about the in-kernel version.
[12:18] <LocutusOfBorg> oops
[12:18] <LocutusOfBorg> the dkms and guest-dkms are provided by me
[12:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean virtualbox-modules
[12:18] <LocutusOfBorg> and virtualbox-guest-modules
[12:29] <rtg> smb, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1570441/comments/3 - are you saying all of those patches are relevant and should be applied as well ?
[12:29] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1570441 in linux (Ubuntu Xenial) "Kernel Panic in Ubuntu 16.04 netboot installer" [Undecided,In progress]
[12:40] <smb> rtg, I was before I realized that somehow the patch which is claimed to break things is unlikely applied to Xenial
[12:40] <rtg> smb, we do have 'x86/topology: Create logical package id' in Xenial as of -18
[12:41] <smb> rtg, oh ok... was I looking at the wrong branch then? I did pull master this morning...
[12:41] <rtg> smb, always master-next
[12:42] <smb> rtg, Ok, sorry. So if we have that one we probably want the whole bunch of fixups
[12:42] <rtg> smb, it was applied for bug #1397880
[12:42] <smb> :/
[12:42] <ubot5`> bug 1397880 in intel "[Feature] Memory Bandwidth Monitoring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1397880
[12:43] <rtg> looks like it was a scaffold patch
[12:43] <smb> If scaffold means pretty bad, yeah
[12:44] <smb> Only looking at the commit messages of the follow-up it feels like a case where they realized only in hindsight how much breakage this caused
[12:45] <rtg> smb, well, lemme look at those other patches as well
[12:47] <smb> rtg, The Xen one was the only one that did not have a fixes lin in the commit. But then reading through the description I had a feeling it might still be better to proactively apply it too
[12:48] <rtg> smb, or I could just try to revert that topology patch and fixup the memory bandwidth monitoring code.
[12:48] <smb> rtg, Hm, do you think that is possible?
[12:49] <rtg> smb, dunno, I'll try it out. Seems like a safer move at this point
[12:49] <smb> rtg, I agree. If the monitoring can be made working without this it seems safer.
[12:54] <smb> rtg, amazing. for the amount of follow-ups this produced the change looks pretty harmless
[12:54] <rtg> smb, well, there is a fair bit of code movement in that patch
[12:55] <rtg> whoops, looking at the wrong one.
[12:55] <rtg> you are right, it is simple
[12:55] <smb> rtg, ah ok. I only saw additions
[12:56] <rtg> smb, it reverts cleanly, which means the compile will likely fail 'cause there is a missing function or header
[12:57] <smb> rtg, Right there was a new structure field and a bunch of functions in it
[12:59] <rtg> smb, topology_max_packages is missing. that might be simple enough.
[13:00] <smb> rtg, except if the monitoring is based on assumptions about available packages...
[13:00] <rtg> just checking when that appeared
[13:02] <rtg> smb, drat, it all seems kind of interdependent
[13:02] <cking> that's a hairball
[13:04] <smb> Yeah I could imagine that bandwith monitoring is depening on some more specific topology info
[13:05] <smb> So lets try all currently known follow-ups and pray/hope for the best
[17:00] <manjo> apw, rtg, I am looking for an Ubuntu-4.5 tag on unstable tree ... and I am not seeing one.. if  I apply the 3 patches in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.5.1-wily/ will that be close enough to an Ubuntuized kernel ?


[23:32] <matt___> SonicDigitalMedia Plus V7
[23:33] <matt___> only thing on this laptop that can burn something
[23:33] <usr13> marc_: Remove what?
[23:33] <Aelingil> Jordan_U, I was hopeing not to do that, but i think it is going to waste more time trying to fix it then to wipe it.
[23:33] <nillerz> SirShmoopy, No, Ubuntu Moblin Remix. It exists.
[23:33] <nillerz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-moblin-remix/releases/9.10/release/
[23:33] <Aelingil> Jordan_U, Thank you for your help Jordan. I'll get the newest version downloaded and install it tomorrow.
[23:33] <SirShmoopy> nillerz, that makes me happy i think
[23:33] <mazdok> hi there
[23:34] <marc_> usr13: vmlinuz -22 generic
[23:34] <nillerz> I don't think they have a 10.10 version though...
[23:34] <mazdok> I  have subscripted to the linux-usb mailinglist
[23:34] <matt___> nillerz: when I was trying to fgure out what it meant... i kept getting so much info that is way beyond me.  I dont know console... people were saying it had something to do with the install... i am trying to install this on a brand new hard drive
[23:34] <SirShmoopy> is it themed or something? or did they just name it that because they could
[23:35] <matt___> machine crashed... hard drive destroyed.  bought new drive, put it in and am trying to install
[23:35] <mazdok> but I don't know how to send email to the mailing list. The address there isn't in their website and neither in the mail that is arrived
[23:35] <nillerz> matt___, you'll get that, let me try looking for one specific to this condition
[23:35] <usr13> marc_: That is not a complete kernel name and not knowing what you have and don't have, I'm afraid I can't help you.
[23:35] <Jordan_U> Aelingil: You're welcome.
[23:35] <deltads> Hi there
[23:36] <mazdok> anyone?
[23:36] <nillerz> matt___, most people are solving this error on already installed systems by using a file-system check, "fsck"
[23:36] <marc_> usr13: i have vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic and vmlinuz-2.6.35-25-generic
[23:36] <Vustom> Whats the difference between am64 and i386
[23:36] <Vustom> ?
[23:36] <nillerz> you probaly won't be able to do that on a CD
[23:36] <deltads> anyone now how to set like 10 ms the KautoClick?
[23:36] <aeon-ltd> Vustom: 64bit and 32 bit
[23:36] <Starminn> Vustom: One's AMD, the other's Intel.
[23:36] <usr13> marc_: uname -a will tell you what you have now.  And as I said before, if you are pleased with the performance of the one  you have now, then leave it and remove as many of the others you want.
[23:36] <nillerz> so I'm guessing that the burn wasn't as good as it was supposed to be.
[23:36] <schnuffle> matt___: have you a recent pc or and oldone? found people having isues with old bios
[23:36] <nillerz> what CD burning program did you use?
[23:36] <ardchoille> Vustom: amd64 is 64 bit and i386 is 32 bit
[23:37] <matt___> Sonic Digital Media Plus V7
[23:37] <Jordan_U> Starminn: That is *not* the difference.
[23:37] <Vustom> oh, thanks!
[23:37] <Vustom> and does .deb work on both 64 and 32bit
[23:37] <Vustom> ?
[23:37] <marc_> usr13: thanks for your answer i understand that it won't effect anything if i was to remove them
[23:37] <Vustom> whats .rpm as well?
[23:37] <matt___> Machine for install is a year old... 64 bit Dell Studio 15 series... Ubuntu site says it is certified as a machine that it will work on
[23:37] <maco> Vustom: rpm is for red hat, fedora, and suse systems, not ubuntu or debian ones
[23:37] <schnuffle> matt___: use the one offered on the download page and try again
[23:37] <Starminn> Jordan_U: My mistake. I thought he said AMD64 vs. i686. :)
[23:37] <nillerz> matt___, os CDs are very sensitive and generally won't work if a few bytes didnt copy well
[23:38] <ardchoille> Vustom: .rpm is Red hat Package Manager and you shouldn't use .rpm packages on ubuntu, ubuntu is .deb based
[23:38] <usr13> marc_: as you see, vmlinuz-2.6.35-25-generic is the newer kernel and if that is the one you are using and you are pleased with ther performance, then leave it and remove the other one if you want.
[23:38] <Vustom> ohok thanks :D
[23:38] <matt___> use the one what on the download page?
[23:38] <Jordan_U> Starminn: You would still be mistaken.
[23:38] <nillerz> My suggestion is that, if you can, try to burn it again at a slower speed, perhaps with another program.
[23:38] <JunkyJames> im trying to set up an svn server on ubuntu 10.10 any help?
[23:38] <Starminn> Vustom: Yeah, .deb is for Debian-based systems which Ubuntu is part of.
[23:38] <Starminn> Jordan_U: Really?
[23:38] <rumpe1> JunkyJames, install openssh-server... done
[23:38] <nillerz> And if that gives you the same error, then the problem is obviously hardware related
[23:38] <schnuffle> matt___: the burning program offered
[23:38] <Vustom> I installed TeamSpeak amd64 and couldnt figure out why it didnt work
[23:38] <Starminn> Jordan_U: What's the 64-bit Intel?
[23:38] <rumpe1> JunkyJames, oh... sorry.... my mistake
[23:38] <Vustom> I guess i know now :D
[23:38] <nillerz> matt___, the one on the download page would probably work great
[23:39] <nillerz> make sure you burn at the slowest speed possible
[23:39] <Vustom> Whats a .run.bin?
[23:39] <matt___> didnt even see that... grabbing it now
[23:39] <matt___> thank you.
[23:39] <JunkyJames> rumpe1: haha yeah
[23:39] <matt___> once i do that... and burn... this thing should install from CD without much fuss?
[23:39] <schnuffle> matt___: just realized that its a bit hidden under the show me button
[23:39] <Jordan_U> Starminn: AMD created the 64 bit architecture that was backwards compatible with 32 bit x86 code. Intel's first try at 64 bit was not backwards compatible and flopped.
[23:39] <matt___> if I cant get it going easy... I will just buy another copy of windows
[23:40] <nillerz> it should, if it doesn't, then its a hardware issue
[23:40] <schnuffle> matt___: it should
[23:40] <matt___> OKAY...
[23:40] <matt___> thank you all very much
[23:40] <rumpe1> JunkyJames, but you can combine ssh with svn for ssh+svn://host
[23:40] <matt___> I'll try this and I'll hopefully come back in saying it worked
[23:40] <Jordan_U> Starminn: Intel now uses the 64 bit architecture pioneered by AMD. So AMD64 refers to either Intel or AMD 64 bit x86.
[23:40] <ardchoille> Vustom: those are usually some type of binary file. I would check the official repos first to see if the desired software is there
[23:40] <nillerz> I hope so too, matt___
[23:40] <EnigmaticCoder> Is there a way to synchronize linux configuration so that all the programs and preferences on my desktop and laptop behave the same way?
[23:41] <nillerz> I used to have a PC and it was old.  I had to go through the install a billion times because the CDs would never burn correctly. If the cd doesnt work then its either your bios or your burner.
[23:41] <Starminn> Jordan_U: Aha! That would make sense. Okay, thank you very much. And i686 is just a better version of i386, then? Bit-regardless?
[23:41] <Vustom> k
[23:41] <usr13> EnigmaticCoder: I think you would have to do that manually, but if you install the same OS on each, it should behave the same way anyhow.
[23:41] <Vustom> its a game so i dought it
[23:41] <Vustom> :D
[23:41] <JunkyJames> rumpe1: yeah i saw that on a blog somewhere im just not sure if i set up my server correctly :P
[23:42] <poutine> I'm using a fully updated ubuntu 10.10, and every single time I reboot my computer, the theme messes up badly and looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/OqwKO.jpg
[23:42] <poutine> Any ideas as to the cause, and what to do to fix it?
[23:42] <poutine> I can usually fix it by rming ~/.gconf* ~/.gnome2*
[23:42] <rumpe1> JunkyJames, for ssh+svn you just need a regular ssh-server *iguess*
[23:42] <JunkyJames> hmm really?
[23:42] <gordonjcp> git > svn
[23:43] <usr13> poutine: What is messed up?
[23:43] <ardchoille> Vustom: I am seeing teamspeak on the repos for 10.10 :)
[23:43] <YankDownUnder> poutine, Have you tried installing some other theme engines - like aurora, for example?
[23:43] <Vustom> Its TeamSpeak 2.0
[23:43] <Vustom> not 3.0
[23:43] <JunkyJames> gordonjcp: ok well how do i set up git?
[23:43] <ardchoille> ah
[23:43] <linux_is_my_hero> what does it mean when i try to install ubuntu on my desktop and i get black and green lines right before the installer is done loading from the livecd?
[23:43] <poutine> no YankDownUnder, fairly base system
[23:43] <poutine> dpkg --list |grep aurora comes up with nothing
[23:43] <JunkyJames> i dont really care what i use i just needa manage my projects from outta the house easily
[23:43] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: https://github.com/ :-)
[23:43] <JunkyJames> and let others work on them too
[23:44] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: I used to run my own SVN server, then I found I preferred git since I didn't need to actually commit changes to a server
[23:44] <usr13> poutine: Try apt-cache search
[23:44] <poutine> usr13, I don't think I should have to install a theme manager to keep my desktop the way ubuntu ships...
[23:44] <linux_is_my_hero> anyone?
[23:44] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: then I ran my own git repository server, and it was awesome
[23:44] <poutine> I'm saying aurora is definitely not the cause
[23:45] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: then eventually I started using github and someone else did all the hard stuff for me
[23:45] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: for free
[23:45] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: can't compete with free-and-no-effort
[23:45] <poutine> github lost major respect when they deleted ps3-related projects
[23:45] <poutine> also how they misrepresent total repos (they consider pastes in the pastebin as a repo)
[23:46] <JunkyJames> gordnojcp: yeah i just need something simple i can run off my own server :P
[23:46] <raid93> Hello, does anyone have a Thinkpad T410 or T410i? I want to ask some questions about this notebook.
[23:46] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: running your own server is fun, but eventually you step back and realise that now you need to Get Things Done...
[23:46] <Lint> ps3 related projects is piracy
[23:46] <poutine> Lint, wrong!
[23:46] <JunkyJames> gordonjcp: yeah sure but i want to do it myself :L
[23:46] <gordonjcp> JunkyJames: fair enough ;-)
[23:46] <philip__> raid93 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383110
[23:46] <rww> poutine: You're currently banned from #ubuntu under a different host. Please part the channel.
[23:47] <schnuffle> JunkyJames: then have a look at git its really a good tool
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> poutine, Every time I do a fresh install, and update it, I change the theme regardless - but that's just me, just my way of setting up the machines - and being that I change and customise the entire theme set (including using Emerald for Compiz), I don't see that issue; I have seen this issue, however, doing just stock installs, and "forcing" the GTK theme through gconf-editor.
[23:47] <poutine> rww, I'm not banned from anywhere, if you feel like banning me, then do so
[23:47] <raid93> philip__: read it twice already, didn't make everthing clear...
[23:47] <philip__> They should work. I have a Lenovo desktop computer that's 7 yrs old.
[23:48] <philip__> Running ubuntu 10.10
[23:48] <matt___> nillerz: should I burn it slower than max?  just in case...
[23:48] <nillerz> matt___, slow as possible
[23:48] <Glowball> I know this might not be the right place to ask, but I don't actually know where I should be... But it's a small question only :) So, Ubuntu comes with Vinagre as its remote client. Does anyone know about a compatible Windows client, or another client that can be used multiplatform?
[23:48] <matt___> cool... buring
[23:48] <raid93> philip__: That doesn't help me, I have some special questions about Optimus on this laptop
[23:48] <philip__> It should work fine.
[23:48] <nillerz> ok cool. I'm actually making a USB startup disk to test Ubuntu Moblin.
[23:49] <philip__> Try it on Live CD>
[23:49] <raid93> philip__: I dont have it yet, I want to make this clear be4 buying this
[23:49] <aeon-ltd> Glowball: most vnc platforms work with other software fine, just need a client and server
[23:49] <DeltaFlow> can anyone help with an issue i'm having using mulitple monitors?
[23:49] <usr13> Glowball: Tightvnc
[23:49] <philip__> With it being Nvidia, I bet it would work.
[23:50] <Glowball> Thanks, I'll have a look
[23:50] <raid93> philip__: There are lots of problems with Optimus on Linux, so I wanted to ask about a BIOS setting I heard of
[23:50] <DeltaFlow> im using a laptop with another monitor connected, and there is empty space above the main laptop monitor
[23:50] <SirShmoopy> would a virtual machine work to test if an os would work on your hardware?
[23:51] <dlyneswork> SirShmoopy, no...by definition, the hardware is virtualized
[23:51] <usr13> SirShmoopy: Yea, I suppose so, but seems to me LiveCD's do a pretty good job so... that is as far as I usuall go with it.
[23:52] <SirShmoopy> well yes, i was wondering how much transfers
[23:52] <soreau> How do you make a service start at boot time?
[23:52] <philip__> raid93 Unfortunately, there is no support for nvidia/intel hybrid graphics in linux yet. Do not install the nvidia driver.
[23:52] <philip__> The most you can do is to disable the nvidia card, to save battery. (the nvidia card actually still runs, even when you work with intel card)
[23:52] <darien> Is anyone familiar with preseeding/automating an Ubuntu install? I'm following the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization but for some reason it can't chroot to /target to do things like mount /proc
[23:52] <Tigerboy> use services
[23:52] <usr13> soreau: When you install a new service in ubuntu, it will start at boot time.
[23:52] <dlyneswork> soreau, something that doesn't create a service script for ubuntu?
[23:53] <philip__> http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/2010/07/using-acpicall-module-to-switch-onoff.html
[23:53] <Tigerboy> system>adminstration>>services
[23:53] <dlyneswork> darien, can you elaborate?
[23:53] <dlyneswork> darien, preseeding is the only type of installs I do with ubuntu
[23:53] <soreau> usr13: I installed dhcp3 service .. I guess I'll have to reboot and see if you're right
[23:53] <soreau> brb
[23:53] <darien> dlyneswork: Sure; I've followed the above howto, but it also referenced another script that removes from the CD packages that aren't actually installed on the system you're using to create the image
[23:54] <usr13> soreau: but service is used to activate or deactivate a service.  "service - run a System V init script"
[23:54] <Tigerboy> I'm a debian based distro aholic... how do I get off it?
[23:54] <dlyneswork> darien, but you said you're doing preseeding
[23:54] <darien> dlyneswork: but now, when I boot the image, it gets as far as 'installing the base system' and then errors because it can't do the mount
[23:54] <raid93> Hello, does anyone have a Thinkpad T410 or T410i?
[23:54] <dlyneswork> darien, preseeding afaik, is only applicable to PXE boot installs
[23:54] <schnuffle> Tigerboy: test sue or fedore :)
[23:54] <schnuffle> suse
[23:54] <darien> dlyneswork: nope, you can put a preseed config on an ISO (seems like most Ubuntu images do this already
[23:54] <Lint> Tigerboy, broke some package and see the result
[23:54] <dlyneswork> darien, oh
[23:54] <SirShmoopy> raid93, i have a t61p dont think that would help
[23:55] <Tigerboy> Schnuffle I get the shakes when i do that...
[23:55] <darien> dlyneswork: well anyway, the problem I'm having is that when I run 'chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc' (or 'chroot /target /bin/sh') it says 'mount: not found' or '/bin/sh: not found'
[23:55] <dlyneswork> darien, then, if that's the case, you should have some kind of entry in your preseed file that tells it to chroot the cd image
[23:55] <Tigerboy> there's always something I miss but Fedora has gotten pretty good if you spend some time on it
[23:55] <darien> even though both files exist as e.g. /target/bin/sh and /bin/sh
[23:55] <dlyneswork> darien, are you doing this from your post install?
[23:56] <darien> no, this is during the regular debian-installer phase
[23:56] <darien> it gives me the error, then I go into the console on tty2 to try it myself
[23:56] <usr13> soreau: You'll probably need to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to suit your needs
[23:56] <schnuffle> Tigerboy: that's thing which better fit into #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:56] <darien> dlyneswork: obviously I've made an error somewhere but I'm unclear as to where this sort of thing could've gone wrong
[23:57] <dlyneswork> darien, check for the existence of the following in your path:  mount, chroot
[23:57] <dlyneswork> darien, also check to see that /bin/sh exists
[23:57] <Tigerboy> ha ok
[23:57] <CryonicCore> can anybody tell me why I can't watch dvd's on my Ubuntu?
[23:57] <usr13> soreau: Do you currently have a dhcp server running on your network now? If so, you probably should turn it off before running the new one.
[23:57] <dlyneswork> darien, you will more than likely need to specify the full path of mount and chroot
[23:57] <darien> dlyneswork: sure, but the debian installer itself also cannot do what it normally does
[23:57] <darien> so it's not just me typing something wrong
[23:58] <twitch> !info ubuntu-resrticted-extras | CryonicCore
[23:58] <SirShmoopy> CryonicCore, you need to install libdvdread4 i believe
[23:58] <darien> dlyneswork: also, 'chroot' is part of busybox, there's not actually a path to it afaik
[23:58] <dlyneswork> darien, did you create your own boot image?
[23:58] <darien> dlyneswork: I rebuilt the ISO, yes
[23:58] <dlyneswork> darien, regardless of whether it's part of busybox, there should either be a binary, or a symbolic link to a different binary that provides it
[23:59] <darien> there is, yeah, it's in /usr/sbin/chroot
[23:59] <dlyneswork> darien, it's not a shell command
[23:59] <darien> sorry, I wasn't clear on what I meant
[23:59] <usr13> soreau: And you shouldn't need to reboot the computer, the server can be started or stopped when it is running.
[23:59] <dlyneswork> darien, and is /usr/sbin/chroot in your path?
[23:59] <Tigerboy> I shall keep it deb based
[23:59] <darien> yes
[23:59] <openbees> how to remove unofficial software from ubuntu
[23:59] <darien> chroot itself is found fine, but when I run it it says whatever I'm trying to exec isn't there


[09:29] <rmg51> Morning
[12:00] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[15:19] <lazyPower> o/ morning everyone
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> morning
[16:32] <ChinnoDog> afternoon
[16:37] <JonathanD> hi


[05:51] <effie_jayx> @schedule caracas
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Caracas: 11 Mar 06:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 14:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:58] <beuno> @schedule buenos_aires
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires: 11 Mar 07:00: LoCo Team | 12 Mar 15:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 13:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 17:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 17:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:58] <beuno> no way I'm going to make that meeting  :p
[06:09] <effie_jayx> beuno,  lol... it is an hour later from my time
[11:04] <elkbuntu> ok, who is here for the meeting?
[11:04] <Mirv> o/
[11:05] <Mirv> and that's it? :)
[11:05] <elkbuntu> seems so
[11:06] <Mirv> I had the hosting server problem, but got a reply from Jono already stating that it's a sysadmin issue. I would just have liked to hear some thoughts.
[11:09] <elkbuntu> well, i dont think we're going to get much discussion on that.
[11:09] <Mirv> I'm getting somewhat used to that...
[11:10] <elkbuntu> Mirv, that's uncalled for. nobody within the locos would be able to help you. jono is aware, and he can make others aware. that's all you can do.
[11:11] <daviey> no agenda?
[11:12] <elkbuntu> daviey, there is.. at the usual place. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[11:12] <Mirv> elkbuntu: Jono said he can't do anything, so basically I guess he doesn't have too much of contacts in the sysadmins. basically I hoped that maybe community members had some idea if some other hosting solution should be though of, as unfortunately I can't do much else towards Canonical than what I've done.
[11:16] <Mirv> well, if there's nothing better to do, I had actually prepared a list of issues we are facing. they can be logged in the meeting logs...
[11:16] <Mirv> 1. The server has been slow ever since we moved from smurf's server to the new one.
[11:16] <elkbuntu> Mirv, newz2000 is the only one i know of that has powers with the server
[11:16] <Mirv> 2. The server is currently usable, but only because the apache is restarted every 30 minutes to reduce swapping. The restart interval has been shortened all the time (starting from no restarts). The apache does not always manage to start itself again.
[11:16] <Mirv> 3. The server is using Ubuntu 5.10, security support for which is ending in a month. No information about upgrading has been received, and it would probably result in a downtime, just around Feisty release.
[11:16] <Mirv> 4. There are no backups made, and complete backups cannot be made by me without asking someone to change MoinMoin Data permissions each time.
[11:16] <Mirv> 5. The users are disappointed by the lack of resources at Canonical, but surely this is not to blame anyone because everyone is working hard. Especially Matthew Nuzum has been extremely helpful all this time, despite his huge workload, but he cannot bring in the new server, the only real solution to the problem, even if he wanted to. The others have been virtually unreachable on the subject.
[11:17] <Mirv> elkbuntu: yes, he's the one who is keeping us alive, but he can't do anything else beside configuration
[11:18] <elkbuntu> Mirv, i posted on the mailing list and mentioned several times in the channel that there is a page to list such things on. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoReview
[11:18] <elkbuntu> it is from this page that i will be constructing specs to be considered at the next UDS
[11:19] <Mirv> elkbuntu: thanks, I will add information also there. one problem is that we might not be alive until the next UDS.
[11:20] <elkbuntu> that's an incredibly defeatest view
[11:22] <Mirv> elkbuntu: I'm sorry if it sounds too negative, but the problems are starting to be so severe that people can't discuss in the forms, and if the security support ends in a few weeks I don't know what can happen. also if the server dies there are usually no recent backups.
[11:23] <elkbuntu> i am going to PM you an email address of someone who *might* be able to help you out. He usually helps out unofficial projects with web services, but he is not canonical supported or funded, so cannot be relied on to solve all canonicals problems
[11:23] <Mirv> elkbuntu: but Matthew has one more thing he's trying to configure, my hope is that it will help
[11:24] <Mirv> elkbuntu: ok, thank you. I'll also discuss with newz2000 next week.
[11:24] <elkbuntu> this is all i can do for you, sorry
[11:25] <Mirv> I think that's enough of that subject, one thing in my mind is to ask ubuntu-eu.org if in crisis
[11:25] <Mirv> elkbuntu: no problem, I appreciate every bit of help we get to solve the problem(s)
[11:26] <elkbuntu> does anyone else present have any issues to bring up?
[11:28] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  I have an issue. Has a decision been made about using the ubuntu wiki for docmentation for languages that are not in English?
[11:28] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, not at this point. no.
[11:29] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  thanks
[11:30] <elkbuntu> anyone else?
[11:30] <tsmithe> sorry elkbuntu
[11:31] <elkbuntu> unfortunately, we do not have critical mass to cover the agenda items, so im calling this meeting to an end.
[11:41] <Mirv> ok, thanks for the short meeting. added the hosting problems to the end of the LoCoReview page.
[11:40] <sid> @schedule
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Mar 18:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 16:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 20:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 20:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 21:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 10:00: MOTU Council
[11:40] <sid> @schedule New_York
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 12 Mar 14:00: Derivative Team | 13 Mar 12:00: Forum Council | 13 Mar 16:00: Technical Board | 14 Mar 16:00: Edubuntu | 15 Mar 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 16 Mar 06:00: MOTU Council


[01:48] <GSF1200S_> is there a way to bind the menu that occurs when the the middle button is clicked on the desktop to a keyboard shortcut?
[04:15] <mikubuntu> i wonder why i cant get vids from www.abc.go.com to play, keep gettg message that 'this platform' not supported and to use ie, firefox or safari, but i am using firefox .. anybody know what the problem might be?
[04:57] <likemindead> mikubuntu, some proprietary nonsense, I'd assume. :-\
[05:00] <mikubuntu> prolly
[05:36] <likemindead> G'nite.
[08:29] <SineDeviance> hi all. i have just installed xubuntu 9.04 amd64. i installed some icon themes from xfce-look.org but when i use those themes half the icons seem to be missing. those icons revert to the default icon theme
[08:29] <SineDeviance> what gives?
[08:38] <SineDeviance> anybody?
[08:39] <ryguy> hey
[08:39] <ryguy> whats up
[08:40] <SineDeviance> hey
[08:40] <SineDeviance> sup
[08:40] <ryguy> chillin, codin
[08:41] <SineDeviance> ah
[08:41] <SineDeviance> im trying to figure out icon theme madness
[08:41] <SineDeviance> apparently xfce4.4 > 4.6 broke something with all icon themes except the default
[08:42] <ryguy> =s I dunno, I only use the default theme
[09:16] <avash1> knock kcock anybody there?
[09:16] <avash1> i have a problem, can anyone help me?
[09:17] <avash1> nobody there very bad.
[09:17] <avash1> why i snobody here?
[09:19] <avash1> Legendre: can you help me?
[09:19] <avash1> KingOfDos: can you helpo me?
[09:19] <ryguy> ello
[09:19] <avash1> mikubuntu: can you help me?
[09:19] <avash1> ryguy: can you help me?
[09:20] <ryguy> lol If I knew your problem..
[09:20] <avash1> i used to have dual booting, xp and ubuntu. it went nice. but recently i had to remove ubuntu, and when i again installed it, ther comes error sying Error 15\; file not found.
[09:20] <avash1> of cource after booting to ubuntu
[09:20] <avash1> in GRUB
[09:20] <ryguy> did you do extensive google searching on the error?
[09:21] <avash1> it was no fruitful
[09:21] <ryguy> did you try editing that file (I forget which on it was) in widows that allows you to dual boot?
[09:21] <ryguy> I dont know much about dual booting linux and windows
[09:22] <avash1> no. because thats not what the problem is. hte problem is with ubuntu itself
[09:23] <ryguy> what version ubuntu
[09:24] <avash1> baed on hardy
[09:24] <ryguy> try installing jaunty or karmic
[09:24] <ryguy> karmic has an updated version of grub
[09:24] <MaxFrames> hi
[09:24] <ryguy> hey
[09:25] <avash1> everybody suggests jaunty.
[09:25] <ryguy> karmic is still in development, thats why
[09:25] <avash1> i will try that.
[09:25] <ablomen> avash1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows << try this guide, it isnt the same senario but it does fix grub
[09:25] <knome> karmic will be officially out in one month
[09:25] <MaxFrames> I am unable to resolve "short" hostnames (like "client1") from a xubuntu box, I have to specify the FQDN (like "client1.domain.local") even though I have added the "domain.local" suffix to the search list in resolv.conf
[09:25] <MaxFrames> can you help me?
[09:26] <avash1> do you know if dual booting is good or not? the othere day i met a girl, she said dual booting is very problamatic.
[09:26] <ryguy> its not bad, really.
[09:26] <MaxFrames> "give her the boot" :P
[09:27] <ryguy> lol
[09:27] <avash1> "give her the boot" :P what does that amean
[09:27]  * ryguy facepalms
[09:28] <MaxFrames> a joke
[09:28] <avash1> real meaning of that joke?
[09:28] <MaxFrames> "to give the boot" = "to fire, to dismiss, to get rid of"
[09:28] <ryguy> buy her a box of chocolates and some flowers
[09:29] <avash1> taht doesnot sound like a joke
[09:29] <ryguy> avashi, english isnt your first language, is it?
[09:30] <avash1> i am a nepalese
[09:30] <ryguy> I see
[09:30] <MaxFrames> anyway... can you help me figuring out that dns issue?
[09:30] <ryguy> I dont fully understand your problem
[09:30] <MaxFrames> the search domain suffix list does not seem to work
[09:31] <avash1> i cant because i am a xo user. i have just started ubuntu
[09:31] <MaxFrames> I can't resolve a hostname if I don't add the domain suffix manually
[09:31] <MaxFrames> client1 does not resolve; client1.domain.suffix does
[09:31] <ryguy> sorry man, I just dunno
[09:32] <techie> MaxFrames, is this for the local network?
[09:35] <MaxFrames> yes, I'm trying to resolve local hostnames using a local dns server
[09:36] <MaxFrames> the dns server is a windows 2003 one
[09:40] <techie> MaxFrames, have you tried client1.local
[09:42] <techie> i have a tiny bit of experience with 2k3 but none using it as a primary network server
[09:47] <MaxFrames> I've tried pretty much everything
[09:47] <MaxFrames> it's just ignoring the domain suffix search list
[09:47] <MaxFrames> I think the problem is client-side...
[09:53] <techie> MaxFrames, have you added the ip of the 2k3 DNS to your network configuration
[09:54] <MaxFrames> solved
[09:55] <MaxFrames> the problem was that I had not specified any domain in the ubuntu box configuration
[09:55] <techie> haha, easyt
[09:55] <MaxFrames> for some weird reason, the search list is ignored if a domain name is not specified for the local machine
[09:55] <avash1> aa
[09:55] <MaxFrames> it works even if I specify a bogus domain
[09:55] <techie> isnt it odd how such small things can be such a big nuisance
[09:56] <MaxFrames> in short, the querying machine must "belong" to some domain before it can use a domain suffix search list
[09:56] <MaxFrames> which doesn't make much sense to me, but still...
[09:57] <techie> for an internal network i would think it adds an extra security layer
[09:57] <techie> but who knows
[09:58] <avash1> i am a batman, i managed my problem.... ya ...hooooooo
[09:58] <Balsaq_> techie gotta sec?
[09:58] <techie> sure bal
[09:59] <MaxFrames> what problem, avash1?
[09:59] <Balsaq_> played a youtube vid the sound came thru mt speaker great ...but the sound(song is over) and the video itslef still hasnt finished is lagging behind the sound
[10:00] <Balsaq_> even w98 could do that but it couldnt do much else
[10:00] <techie> sounds like your video card doesnt like rendering flash videos
[10:00] <Balsaq_> shoukd i have taken the gnome offering
[10:01] <techie> huh?
[10:01] <Balsaq_> it gave me 3 choices...we decided on flash remember
[10:02] <MaxFrames> bbl
[10:02] <avash1> i had problem with my key board hardware problem
[10:02] <Balsaq_> you said you prefered the ones where people get paid
[10:02] <techie> meh, doesnt really make much of a difference
[10:02] <Balsaq_> wow the vid just ended and the song was done 2 minutes ago
[10:02] <techie> only because they were updated more frequently, not because they are more efficient
[10:03] <Balsaq_> might be my ole 8mb ati too
[10:03] <techie> oh yeah bal, i got some specs of my laptop
[10:03] <Balsaq_> maybe because i just now finished a zillion more upgrades and took 9.04?
[10:03] <avash1> i am notorious with hardwares.
[10:04] <avash1> i can repair many types, even the one i first handled
[10:04] <techie> 400mhz G4 cpu, 640mb RAM, 8mb ATI Rage Mobility 2x AGP
[10:04] <Balsaq_> my w98 coulndt do anyhting right but iplayed these youtubers
[10:04] <Balsaq_> 400 pII 768sdram pc133 8mb ati yup
[10:05] <Balsaq_> would some ram help er
[10:05] <techie> yours was 1998 wasnt it?
[10:05] <Balsaq_> yup
[10:05] <techie> nah shes got more than enough
[10:05] <techie> mines 2k
[10:06] <Balsaq_> i may pop 3 sticks of 512 in her for a total of 1.5gig sdram
[10:06] <Balsaq_> dont know if that helps with this issue
[10:06] <techie> dont try it
[10:06] <techie> your motherboard wont support it
[10:06] <Balsaq_> to dangerous?
[10:07] <Balsaq_> well my board wasnt supposed to take the 768 either
[10:07] <Balsaq_> supposed to be all done at 384
[10:07] <Balsaq_> noone knows unless you rad something?
[10:07] <techie> put it this way, yours in a 1998 board with a 400mhz cpu, mine is a recent board with a 2.8ghz cpu, and mine ahs a max of 2gig
[10:07] <Balsaq_> read*
[10:08] <techie> is*
[10:08] <Balsaq_> but some of the dell techs claim my board is a pwerhouse untested only because the new sticks werent around then some say what you say
[10:09] <Balsaq_> i think you are probably right and i just got lucky when i doubled what the book said
[10:10] <techie> ontop of that, even if you could up it to 1.5gig you wouldnt be able to access it fast enough to use it all
[10:10] <Balsaq_> i played it agsain and the sound and video finished a little closer togeether only off by 10-15 seconds now but hey people are moving real stiff like
[10:11] <techie> when was the last time you rebooted your box?
[10:11] <Balsaq_> right after the install upgrade 904 told me too (moment ago)
[10:11] <Balsaq_> hit restart
[10:11] <techie> it might be 9.04 making it run sliggish
[10:12] <Balsaq_> i was nutz to take 904
[10:12] <techie> i noticed my lappy was a bit sluggish from a fresh install or 9.04
[10:12] <techie> of*
[10:12] <Balsaq_> it has never been the same since i took the original 349 upgrades on the 810
[10:13] <Balsaq_> 810 runfaster for me clean woth no upgrades
[10:13] <Balsaq_> ?
[10:13] <Balsaq_> who knows...old puter
[10:14] <Balsaq_> i can buy a new lapper tomprrow for 450 with amd athlon dual core 2.1 4g ram
[10:14] <Balsaq_> gateway lapper 15.6 in screen
[10:15] <Balsaq_> 320 hd
[10:15] <Balsaq_> ati 3200 on board
[10:17] <techie_> ill be back soon, gonna load up windows so i can dl debian with my DL accelerator
[11:35] <Balsaq> anyone on opera?
[11:35] <Balsaq> my FF with 9.04 ubuntu is slow
[11:36] <Sysi> it isn't actually light software
[12:16] <slow-motion> hi
[12:46] <basajaun> what is the command to get new release in synaptic? - something I have forgotten
[12:52] <ablomen> basajaun, you mean update manager? should be update-manager -c
[12:52] <ablomen> or -d for development release
[13:07] <basajaun> doesn't work for me ablomen
[13:14] <basajaun> sorry it did work thanks ablomen
[14:14] <premorphos> is there any way to get irssi to play a sound when my name i written? i have tried schripts but odly they did not work
[14:32] <ablomen> premorphos, http://vincentwang.wordpress.com/category/irssi/ << this might help, or look for your self at >> http://www.google.com/search?q=irssi+sound+notification
[14:57] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.
[14:58]  * likemindead groggily mutters, "Mornin'."
[14:58] <Pres-Gas> I am just reviewing the Ubu weekly Newsletter #161 and wanting to see if Xubu is on the same track for the Beta release?
[14:59] <knome> Pres-Gas, "same track" ?
[14:59] <Pres-Gas> I was going to guess "yes" but then we are now starting to use some slightly different packages (i.e. GDM) for 9.10 I was not sure that was going to delay any release times.
[14:59] <likemindead> Surely, it is. Always has been.
[15:00] <knome> Pres-Gas, the gdm is same as in ubuntu
[15:05] <Pres-Gas> knome, cody-somerville wrote that we are using 2.20 for karmic https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2009-August/007032.html).
[15:06] <Pres-Gas> ...unless this changed and I slept through that one?
[15:08] <knome> Pres-Gas, i just confirmed this from him, we are using the same gdm as ubuntu
[15:08] <knome> that mail is already a month old
[15:09] <Pres-Gas> Ahhh, cool if it all works.
[15:09] <knome> yes, it works
[15:38]  * likemindead is away: My second home is a third world cantina.
[15:44] <premorphos> ablomen: tanx
[17:31] <psynaptic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Make%20your%20USB%20stick%20bootable%20with%20SYSLINUX
[17:31] <psynaptic> is this relevant to xubuntu?
[17:32] <psynaptic> all I want to do is install from usb stick
[17:32] <Sysi> yes
[17:32] <psynaptic> thanks
[17:32] <Sysi> i don't remember if that worked with alternate install but with normal it will
[17:37] <psynaptic> what is the alternate install?
[17:37] <Sysi> with text installer
[17:42]  * likemindead is back (gone 02:03:50)
[17:43] <Sysi> public away isn't that nice
[17:47] <genii> Sysi: likemindead has been given !away warnings a lot in different channels, they seem to be oblivious
[17:47] <Sysi> after some bans..
[17:53] <MadsRH> Knome -> Now I am :-D
[17:54] <knome> MadsRH, :)
[17:54] <knome> MadsRH, #xubuntu-devel please :)
[17:54] <MadsRH> Check!
[17:55] <likemindead> Don't be so boorish genii & Sysi.
[17:55] <knome> likemindead, i also really think you should get rid of those public away messages
[17:56] <likemindead> How is it any different from someone who says, "BBL." etc. and then leaves and then comes back and says, "I'm back! LOL!"
[17:56] <likemindead> ?
[17:56] <likemindead> I've never understood this secret IRC etiquette.
[17:57] <Sysi> thats just irritating
[17:57] <likemindead> That's your opinion.
[17:57] <Sysi> no one really wants to know
[17:57] <likemindead> No one's asking you to commit it to memory.
[17:57] <Sysi> thats just dumb unneeded message
[17:57] <likemindead> As is this whole conversation.
[17:58] <ldez1> You guys are defiling my sacred CHAT ROOM!
[17:58] <knome> likemindead, as it's automatic, it's not really "okay"
[17:58] <Sysi> it would be best if this isn't needed :)
[18:08]  * SiDi hates auto away messages too...
[18:08] <SiDi> When you're on 10 channels with about 200 people, its boring to check your channels just to notice someone went to take a cup of coffee
[22:58] <Lappy> Uhm. I got a question about Wine on Xubuntu, can someone help me please,
[22:58] <Lappy> ?
[22:59] <TheSheep> it doesn't work that way, you have to actually ask the question, and if anybody knows the answer, you will get it
[22:59] <Lappy> Okay then
[22:59] <Lappy> :)
[23:00] <Lappy> Here goes: Okay, so when you install something via Wine, it installs to the 'Other' menu in the Applications menu. Well, here's my
[23:00] <Lappy> Problem
[23:01] <Lappy> Whenever I try to remove something from the Other menu, by using the uninstall option all setup.exe files comes with, it doesn't uninstall. Now I am very VERY short on space. So, how do I get rid of them, I already tried deleting drive_c in the .wine but it didn't delete any of the files, help?
[23:01] <Lappy> Should I just uninstall Wine from Add/Remove program?
[23:01] <Lappy> And then re-install?
[23:02] <techie> i cant see why that wouldnt work
[23:02] <TheSheep> first of all, those are just menu entires, removing them wont give you much space
[23:02] <techie> and Lappy, always remember...
[23:02] <Lappy> Okay, I'm going to try that now
[23:02] <techie> !ask
[23:02] <TheSheep> second, they are in .local/share/applications/wine
[23:03] <stevex> Have an old compaq desktop with 225Mhz processor, 4 gigs HD space, would xubuntu be ok?
[23:03] <Lappy> Okay
[23:03] <Lappy> I'll try that then
[23:03] <floating> stevex: no
[23:03] <stevex> damn, trying to find something to put on this oldy....
[23:04] <floating> you could wait for lubuntu
[23:04] <techie> may i suggest puppy or DSL
[23:04] <stevex> Tried DSL, hit enter to start install, goes to blank screen, I'm assuming doesn't support hardware?
[23:05] <Lappy> TheSheep: If I delete the wine folder in .local/share/applications/wine, it'll be like uninstalling, right?
[23:05] <techie> im not sure, ive never tried linux on something with such low specs
[23:05] <floating> yeah, or those.. although ur computer might work with lubuntu, which could be a nice choice... once it gets released first :/
[23:05] <stevex> It shipped with Win98
[23:05] <TheSheep> Lappy: no, it will delete the menu entries, but not the program files
[23:05] <Lappy> Okay
[23:05] <TheSheep> Lappy: it's like deleting the shortcut
[23:05] <Lappy> Okay
[23:06] <TheSheep> Lappy: but the programs surely asked where to install?
[23:06] <floating> i had an installation problem with some xubuntu, so i downloaded the alternative cd and it worked
[23:07] <Lappy> Yeah
[23:07] <Lappy> C:/Program Files/X
[23:07] <TheSheep> floating: yeah, live cd has trouble on low-ram systems
[23:07] <Lappy> So if I go to my c drive. Did that already
[23:07] <Lappy> Deleted all of it
[23:07] <TheSheep> Lappy: then it was in that drive_c directory
[23:07] <TheSheep> Lappy: so you only have menu shortcuts left
[23:07] <Lappy> Okay
[23:08] <Lappy> I'd like to get rid of them
[23:08] <Lappy> There is quite literally like 60
[23:08] <TheSheep> Lappy: they don't work anymore, do they?
[23:08] <Lappy> No, no they do not
[23:08] <TheSheep> Lappy: well, you know where they are
[23:08] <Lappy> Uhm
[23:08] <Lappy> Local so on
[23:08] <TheSheep> yes
[23:09] <Lappy> I can't seem to find local xD
[23:09] <floating> stevex: this article shows that xubuntu is not for such systems http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
[23:09] <stevex> Thank you floating, think I'm going to try puppy
[23:09] <TheSheep> Lappy: it's .local
[23:10] <TheSheep> Lappy: it's hidden
[23:10] <Lappy> Okay
[23:10] <Lappy> So I go to where then?
[23:10] <floating> ok, good luck
[23:10] <Lappy> in my home folder?
[23:10] <TheSheep> in thunar view->show hiden files
[23:10] <TheSheep> yes
[23:10] <Lappy> Okay
[23:10] <Lappy> Thank you so much for the help :D
[23:11] <Lappy> It must be the packages I installed
[23:11] <Lappy> That's taking up so much space
[23:11] <Lappy> Thanks TheSheep :)
[23:11] <TheSheep> Lappy: try 'sudo apt-get clean'
[23:11] <Lappy> Okay?
[23:11] <TheSheep> Lappy: that will clean apt's cache
[23:11] <Lappy> Oooo
[23:11] <Lappy> Okay ;D
[23:12] <Lappy> Okay. I cleaned it I guess
[23:12] <TheSheep> 'df -h' shows free space
[23:13] <Lappy> 14G - 20 used
[23:13] <Lappy> Gotta figure out what's cluttering it...
[23:14] <TheSheep> install gnome-utils and run 'baobab'
[23:14] <TheSheep> it's a very cool disk usage visualiser
[23:14] <Lappy> Okay
[23:15] <Lappy> Where do I find the show hidden files button exactly
[23:15] <Lappy> Sorry for the newbish questions, still new to Xubuntu/Linux
[23:15] <Lappy> Found it
[23:16] <Lappy> Already showing
[23:18] <Lappy> Okay
[23:18] <Lappy> Deleted the file but shortcuts are still there
[23:18] <Lappy> Restart my system?
[23:20] <TheSheep> Lappy: n need
[23:20] <TheSheep> no need
[23:20] <Lappy> Hmm
[23:20] <TheSheep> delete .cache/xfce4/desktop/
[23:20] <Lappy> Shortcuts in the 'Other' menu are still thee though
[23:20] <Lappy> Oh okay
[23:24] <Lappy> Huh
[23:24] <Lappy> I don't have the xfce4
[23:24] <Lappy> It's .cache
[23:24] <Lappy> Then I have Rhthym Box, sessions, Thunar, and Totem
[23:25] <Lappy> Okay downloading Disk Usage Analyzer
[23:26] <Lappy> Is this pretty much the same as Windows Disk Defragmenter? Is there something similar?
[23:28] <Lappy> WWWHHHOOAA! Sorry for the caps, but it deserves it
[23:28] <Lappy> The other menu is gone!
[23:28] <Lappy> Thank you so very much TheSheep !
[23:29] <knome> Lappy, linux doesn't really need defragmenting
[23:30] <Lappy> Okay
[23:30] <Lappy> Also, I installed Disk Analyzer, but where would it be in the menus?
[23:30] <knome> maybe system
[23:31] <Lappy> Okay
[23:31] <Lappy> Looking there
[23:31] <Lappy> Nope
[23:32] <Lappy> Nothing named 'Disk Analyzer'
[23:32] <knome> disk usage analyzer basically tells you how much space you have used
[23:32] <Lappy> Yeah
[23:32] <Lappy> ... I found the problem...
[23:32] <knome> ? :)
[23:33] <TheSheep> it may be hidden in menus
[23:33] <Lappy> I was using a downloading tool to get parts of a file like 5 GB big
[23:33] <Lappy> That's where all my space went xD
[23:33] <TheSheep> try [ressing alt+f2 and typing 'baobab'
[23:33] <Lappy> The parts = 5GB and the file unzipped = 6GB
[23:33] <Lappy> That's where it went :P
[23:34] <Lappy> There we go
[23:35] <Lappy> Now only 3.4 GB used
[23:35] <Lappy> Now one more problem. Xubuntu isn't detecting my 8.4GB hard drive? Where is it?
[23:36] <knome> try looking in /media
[23:36] <Lappy> Okay
[23:37] <Lappy> CDROM CDROM0 floppy floppy .Hal-mtab
[23:37] <knome> mmh
[23:37] <Lappy> CDROM and floppy are shortcuts
[23:38] <Lappy> Maybe my hard drive was set up improperly?
[23:38] <Lappy> Jumpers may have something to do with it maybe?
[23:38] <knome> !drives | Lappy
[23:39] <Lappy> No fstab in etc...
[23:39] <knome> o.O
[23:40] <Lappy> That means?
[23:40] <knome> i'm surprised
[23:41] <Lappy> Why?
[23:41] <knome> because you should have fstab
[23:41] <knome> which xubuntu do you have?
[23:41] <Lappy> firefox-3.0 fonts foomatic
[23:41] <Lappy> That's all the F files
[23:42] <Lappy> Should I take the hard drive out and reconfigure the jumpers?
[23:42] <knome> no, you should find you fstab file
[23:42] <knome> press alt+f2 and run 'gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab'
[23:42] <Lappy> Okay
[23:43] <Lappy> I'm uploading a screen cap. One sec
[23:44] <Lappy> Http://i33.tinypic.com/2woivd2.png
[23:45] <Lappy> There
[23:45] <Lappy> I'll get a better full size one sec
[23:45] <knome> okay, that looks better
[23:45] <knome> you don't need to
[23:45] <Lappy> Okay
[23:45] <knome> now see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[23:46] <knome> " To list your devices by UUID use blkid "
[23:46] <knome> so open terminal and type blkid
[23:46] <knome> then use pastebin to paste the output
[23:46] <knome> !pastebin | Lappy
[23:47] <Lappy> Okay. I'll log in using my comp rather than my ipod
[23:47] <Lappy> Be right back
[23:47] <knome> okay :)
[23:48] <Lpp> Okay, one sec
[23:48] <benchik> hello
[23:48] <benchik> how can i know how much mem my xubuntu consumes? cause what i see with "free" also counts cached mem
[23:48] <knome> !hi | benchik
[23:48] <knome> benchik, where are you looking?
[23:49] <Lappy> http://pastebin.com/d6b117f27
[23:49] <Lappy> there
[23:49] <knome> Lappy, okay, i suppose the hard drive is installed incorrectly. do you have an older computer?
[23:50] <Lappy> Yeah
[23:50] <Lappy> It's pretty old
[23:50] <knome> okay
[23:50] <knome> you should double-check the jumpers and cables
[23:51] <knome> xubuntu basically should detect it automatically.
[23:51] <Lappy> Yes, I'll go take it apart again and take a look
[23:51] <knome> okay. i'm not sure if i will be here when you come back but i hope someone can help you
[23:51] <knome> good luck :)
[23:51] <Lappy> Okay
[23:52] <Lappy> Thank you for all the help :D
[23:52] <Lappy>
[23:52] <Lappy> Off I go to fix it
[23:52] <knome> no problem :)
[23:52]  * Lappy turns off computer
[23:52] <Lappy> Bye
[23:52] <Lappy> I won't be that long
[23:52] <knome> see you
[23:52] <Lappy> maybe 20-30 min


[05:59] <wowow> hey guys
[05:59] <wowow> installing dapper on intel chipset systems is a problem, screen goes all black 3/4'rs of the way through
[05:59] <wowow> and not sure how to push the install through
[05:59] <wowow> has anyone seen this before or knows of tips to help rectify the issue?
[05:59] <wowow> note: all terminals have gone black with one ... white character pixel in the middle of the screen
[06:00] <wowow> i've only noticed this ONLY on intel chipset mobos
[06:00] <wowow> anyone?
[08:54] <cjwatson> wowow: xresprobe problem IIRC rather than an installer problem as such. Wait half an hour or so to make sure, and then hit Enter and it'll probably boot.
[08:55] <wowow> oh really?
[08:55] <wowow> you know what?
[08:55] <wowow> that worked exactly once ... didn't realize it was half hour
[08:55] <wowow> damn installing feisty right now ... hmm
[08:55] <wowow> cjwatson, thanks for the heads up!
[08:55] <wowow> any hint on wha tmight be going on with xres?
[09:45] <cjwatson> there's a bug about it somewhere (well, at least ten), but it's not my field of knowledge
[09:45] <cjwatson> half an hour is probably an exaggeration, but ...
[09:53] <snoops> evand hi - I'm wondering what your plan for the migration-assistant is? What do you envisage it becoming/doing etc?
[10:05] <evand> snoops: Well, I haven't written the spec for Gutsy yet, and we still need to discuss things at UDS, however there are a few things that stand out...
[10:05] <evand> KDE support is critical.
[10:06] <evand> Vista support is something I'd like to cover, which shouldn't be too hard as the registry format hasn't changed...
[10:06] <evand> OS X support should be feasible, but I'm willing to let that one slide if I don't find enough time for it
[10:06] <evand> the main thing is adding targets for Windows XP/Vista
[10:07] <evand> it doesn't import the actual email yet, and it doesn't import from Thunderbird
[10:07] <evand> there are more things that can be imported from IE, Firefox, and Opera
[10:07] <snoops> importing from outlook (not express) would be great - except for the silly format it uses
[10:07] <evand> indeed, that's a big one
[10:08] <snoops> I would like to try and add support for different im clients - googletalk, msn
[10:08] <evand> that would be great
[10:08] <evand> the biggest problem there has been figuring out where the password is stored and how to decode it
[10:08] <evand> as you can imagine, the IM clients aren't very forthcoming with that information
[10:09] <evand> and it's kind of sucky that it doesn't import the passwords now, as I can imagine people easily forgetting their AIM password
[10:09] <snoops> hehe...I can imagine
[10:09] <evand> GoogleTalk is something I completely forgot about
[10:09] <snoops> one thing I think would be great is importing your history - for instance msn saves history in xml files and applies and xslt stylesheet for viewing
[10:10] <evand> That would be pretty easy to pull in as the only major dependency that m-a has right now is libxml2
[10:10] <evand> which makes reading such files trivial
[10:11] <snoops> excellent - and with that format to gaim/kopete etc
[10:11] <evand> I try to avoid pulling in major libraries as I'd like to see Debian use this in d-i (hopefully with the polishing for that getting done this development cycle)
[10:11] <evand> indeed
[10:11] <snoops> skype is another one
[10:12] <evand> definitely
[10:12] <evand> some people have suggested installing it as well, but I believe that's bloat.
[10:13] <evand> I'm willing to discuss such an idea if someoene brings it up at UDS or on the VoIP like during the m-a spec meeting at UDS
[10:13] <evand> s/like/line/
[10:13] <snoops> perhaps making an install.sh file on the desktop to install those proprietary apps - skype, opera
[10:13] <evand> oh!  One really big thing I forgot to mention...
[10:13] <evand> migration-assistant merges things
[10:14] <snoops> oh?
[10:14] <evand> so for IM clients it looks in the Gaim accounts file, sees if the account is there, if not, it puts it in
[10:14] <evand> it doesn't just copy things 1-to-1
[10:14] <evand> which can be difficult, but really increases the things we can do with it
[10:14] <snoops> yep I agree with that
[10:15] <evand> I'd prefer actually installing the packages over a script that does it, but I'm still quite weary of that.
[10:15] <snoops> what's the gui for it like (sorry I haven't tried feisty yet)? Are there a bunch of tick boxes for what you want to import?
[10:15] <snoops> or is it just - try to import everything
[10:15] <evand> http://evalicious.com/migration-assistant.png
[10:16] <snoops> superb
[10:16] <evand> it looks slightly different now
[10:16] <evand> there's an explanation that those boxes on the bottom are for the account you're importing into
[10:17] <snoops> oh, itunes importing would be a valuable one, as well as winamp
[10:17] <evand> you can import multiple accounts from multiple operating systems into a single account or as many accounts as you'd like
[10:17] <snoops> the winamp one would be good, since you can read the playlist file for all the locations of files
[10:17] <evand> it actually already imports from iTunes in that iTunes puts all your music in My Music and it copies that
[10:17] <evand> I'll look into what winamp does though
[10:21] <snoops> I'd really like to help out with this - migration is something I personally believe can be improved a lot
[10:21] <snoops> how about things like network settings
[10:22] <evand> you're more than welcome to branch off of trunk and develop from there, then let me know the url so I can merge it into trunk where necessary
[10:22] <evand> network settings is definitely on the list
[10:22] <evand> whether to stop at wireless settings or do something crazier like windows domain membership remains to be seen
[10:23] <snoops> is the list in your head or is there a a todo list?
[10:23] <evand> I have a tomboy note for it, which I'll pretty soon convert into a spec for Gutsy
[10:23] <evand> or at least the draft for one
[10:24] <evand> I don't know if you're familiar with the Ubuntu release process, but basically there's a developer summit in Spain starting on the 6th, where we'll gather and write up specs for the features that should be in Gutsy
[10:24] <evand> for those that cannot make it to spain, there's VoIP lines for each spec meeting
[10:24] <snoops> what do you think about the install.sh idea for apps like opera/skype? That could be extended a bit more for things like vlc etc
[10:25] <snoops> I'm in New Zealand, doubt I'll be able to make it to spain..voip would be cool though :)
[10:25] <evand> once the specs are finalized, then we do feature development for a few months, then things get locked down for bug fixing
[10:25] <evand> yes, you should definitely call in.  The information for that will be posted as we get closer to the event.
[10:26] <evand> I'm not keen on an install.sh script.  The proper way to do it would be to have the installer actually install said packages, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.  It's definitely something we can discuss further at the summit, when there's more than just the two of us talking about it.
[10:27] <evand> In my head it comes down to is that within the scope of migration-assistant, but we shall see
[10:27] <snoops> yep, cool
[10:28] <snoops> I'll mull away at a few things - like a im-history-import
[10:28] <snoops> and take a look at googletalk
[10:28] <evand> awesome, let me know if you need any guidence or explanation of the code
[10:32] <snoops> I don't think this is directly in the migration scope, but one thing I had trouble with when first getting into linux was what application replaces the one I used in windows.. Do you see any potential after looking at a hdd (and the list of programs) for a list suggesting.. "for outlook, outlook express use evolution", "for photoshop, mspaint, paint.net try the gimp, or gimpshop" etc
[10:38] <evand> I see that as more of a documentation and naming issue
[10:38] <snoops> yep, cool.
[10:39] <evand> the ubiquity-slideshow spec sort of covers this, but I don't think the intention was to explain what applications are used as replacements, but rather what exciting features are in this release
[10:39] <snoops> Over the next couple weeks when I get time I'll try to start chipping away at various settings - skype, network settings, msn, gtalk
[10:40] <evand> great!  keep me posted
[10:41] <snoops> thanks - and I must say, I really appreciate being able to talk to the person who's made this, to get some insight. It's been very helpful
[10:42] <evand> anytime, thanks for your interest
[02:55] <saispo> hi
[02:56] <saispo> if i use apt-install or apt-get install in a preinst or postinst file with debconf, it's possible to get a progress bar ?
[02:58] <cjwatson> err, a preinst or postinst where?
[02:59] <saispo> in a meta package
[02:59] <cjwatson> preinsts aren't allowed in d-i and neither preinsts nor postinsts of regular (non-udeb) packages are allowed to install other packages
[02:59] <cjwatson> metapackages should just depend on other packages, not do crazy things like trying to apt-get install them
[03:00] <saispo> cjwatson: yes, i understand
[03:00] <saispo> but when i preseed an installation of a metapackage in d-i, the progress bar stop...
[03:00] <cjwatson> the packaging system isn't re-entrant - you can't call it recursively
[03:00] <cjwatson> if you try, stuff will break
[03:01] <saispo> cjwatson: ok, not possible ?
[03:01] <cjwatson> nope
[03:01] <saispo> hmmm
[03:01] <cjwatson> when you get a hang, check syslog
[03:01] <cjwatson> but in general, don't try to call dpkg/apt/etc. from maintainer scripts. :)
[03:01] <saispo> no hang :) it install the package but the progress bar stop on "preseeding application..."
[03:01] <saispo> cjwatson: ok :)
[03:02] <cjwatson> "preseeding application" isn't a string in the installer - this must be your code
[03:03] <saispo> cjwatson: i don't think it's the real phrase i have :)
[03:03] <cjwatson> you must never paraphrase messages
[03:04] <saispo> the progress bar hangs when i use preseed_latecommande="apt-install eole --force-yes" for example
[03:04] <cjwatson> that's (a) full of typos (b) not legal apt-install syntax
[03:04] <cjwatson> apt-install != apt-get install
[03:05] <saispo> --force-yes it's not comptible with apt-install ?
[03:05] <cjwatson> no
[03:06] <saispo> i just want to enhance the d-i for my project :) just this, if it's not possible, it's not possible :)
[03:07] <cjwatson> sure, but don't make up options and expect them to work ;)
[03:07] <saispo> :)
[03:08] <cjwatson> there is no reason it should not be possible to install extra packages, as long as those packages don't do abnormal things in their maintainer scripts
[03:08] <saispo> cjwatson: and if i create a metapackage which includes three metapackages and i use debconf-apt-progress in a preseed_latecommand, it's not possible too ? :)
[03:09] <cjwatson> it is possible with very careful use of in-target, but it is not easy to get right and I would recommend you keep it simple
[03:10] <saispo> yep
[03:10] <saispo> i think it's more safe :)
[03:10] <cjwatson> I would advise just using apt-install and not worrying about the progress bar
[03:10] <saispo> i will must switch to ubiquity ;-)
[03:10] <cjwatson> or preseeding pkgsel to install your packages, in which case you will get a progress bar
[03:11] <saispo> if i use pkgsel, i must modify pkgsel-data packages no ?
[03:11] <cjwatson> this is documented in the preseeding appendix of the installation guide
[03:11] <cjwatson> under "Package selection"
[03:11] <saispo> ok, will see this
[03:11] <saispo> i don't understand how to create pkgsel-data... will read :) thanks
[03:12] <cjwatson> "pkgsel-data" does not exist
[03:13] <saispo> k
[03:14] <saispo> #d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential if i change openssh-server with my metapackage, i will get a progress bar you think ?
[03:15] <cjwatson> it will be included in the pkgsel stage of the installer which has a progress bar
[03:15] <saispo> ok, thanks
[03:15] <saispo> will test this :)
[03:16] <saispo> but i can use preseed_latecommand="pkgsel eole" at the prompt boot cd ?
[03:16] <saispo> or i must write it in the preseed file ?
[03:16] <cjwatson> that is completely garbled - please read the documentation!
[03:16] <cjwatson> it is release time, I cannot possibly read the manual for you at this point, I'm sorry
[03:17] <saispo> i understand, no problem
[03:17] <saispo> i have some difficult to understand the difference between pkgsel and tasksel...
[03:17] <cjwatson> you do not need to; read the documentation
[03:17] <saispo> k
[03:17] <saispo> thanks Colin :)
[03:18] <cjwatson> I'm afraid you must enter things precisely as documented rather than guessing - there is no indication anywhere in the manual that "pkgsel" might be valid as a command inside preseed/late_command (not preseed_latecommand, which is mentioned nowhere)
[03:19] <saispo> you're right :)
[03:20] <saispo> because i have to problem, and i try to resolve the two problems with one solution, and it's not the good solutionn
[03:21] <saispo> the second problem is to have a choice in d-i for a preseed schema partion or manually do it...
[04:40] <saispo> cjwatson: pkgsel work fine, thanks :)
[04:58] <cjwatson> good
[05:50] <poningru> hmm anyone here familiar with the sparc installer?
[05:50] <cjwatson> only in broad terms
[05:50] <poningru> we need someone for the 7.04 final 'tour'
[05:51] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC
[05:52] <poningru> specifically https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC?action=show&redirect=Ubuntu704Features#head-97f528cdec6aa0524271cdcc137149e6fbc950ab
[05:52] <poningru> cjwatson: just a feature writeup is what we need
[05:52] <poningru> and if you have any suggestions to add to that would wonderfull too
[05:55] <cjwatson> ask fabbione
[06:34] <CIA-16> oem-config: cjwatson * r285 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/components/console_setup.py):
[06:34] <CIA-16> oem-config: * Update Japanese keyboard layout handling to match console-setup
[06:34] <CIA-16> oem-config:  1.7ubuntu18, which uses jp(latin),jp by default (LP: #63915).


[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:53]  * dholbach relocates to the office, brb
[09:02] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[10:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:26] <dpm> morning czajkowski and all
[14:23] <dholbach> davidcalle, did we hear anything back from webops about getting better logs or something?
[14:23] <dholbach> or any other news? :/
[14:25] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm deploying with logging in a short moment, a bit anxious about discovering what's up :)
[14:25]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[14:25] <dholbach> awesome, thanks a lot!
[14:26] <davidcalle> dholbach, will ping you as soon as I know more, don't worry ;)
[14:31]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle_
[14:38] <dpm> davidcalle_, around?
[14:42] <davidcalle_> dpm, on and off
[14:45] <dpm> davidcalle_, ok, let's try when you're on :)
[14:46] <dpm> I just wanted to pick your brain for some of your ubuntu-web-guidelines-fu
[14:47] <davidcalle_> dpm, :)
[14:48] <dpm> davidcalle_, PM'd you the URL I'm editing
[15:09] <dholbach> davidcalle_, I updated https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms-update/+merge/278447 - not sure if they'll help with fixing things :/
[15:12] <davidcalle_> dholbach, will try!
[15:30] <dholbach> davidcalle_, it works for me with sqlite and postgres - importer still broken
[15:30] <dholbach> but I see none of the publishing or login issues locally
[15:31] <davidcalle_> dholbach, so remind me when we switch to mysql on prod? :p
[15:31] <dholbach> davidcalle_, ask stub ;-)
[15:31] <davidcalle_> dholbach, thanks for all these upgrades, it can only improve the situation :)
[15:32] <dholbach> I think I'm done with the training materials now as well, at least as far as I can see, so I can maybe help a bit more again... and talk to Daniele from Django CMS again
[16:44] <popey> I spy CC election results
[16:45] <pleia2> indeed! dholbach is preparing announcement, I'll push to fridge
[16:45] <pleia2> yay new leaders! (who are not me!)
[16:45] <popey> Congratulations czajkowski dholbach mhall119 belkinsa hggdh marcoceppi
[16:45] <popey> (can't see scarlet here)
[16:47] <czajkowski> popey: you never miss a beat :)
[16:47] <popey> hah
[16:47] <popey> well, to be fair, pleia2 tweeted it
[16:47] <popey> which reminded me I hadn't voted
[16:47] <czajkowski> ah
[16:47] <czajkowski> popey: bold
[16:47] <popey> So I voted, then dholbach closed the poll :D
[16:49] <czajkowski> every little helps
[16:53]  * czajkowski hugs pleia2
[16:53] <czajkowski> you left too soon
[16:53]  * pleia2 hugs
[16:55]  * dholbach hugs pleia2
[16:56] <pleia2> czajkowski: I think I left too late, my term expired weeks ago! :)
[17:01] <czajkowski> pff
[17:01] <czajkowski> you're always a ping away :)
[17:02] <pleia2> indeed
[17:15] <dholbach> have a great reest of your day everyone - see you tomorrow!
[17:33] <hggdh> popey: thank you. I am, actually, quite surprised
[17:34] <popey> I'm not :)
[17:45] <czajkowski> hggdh: belkinsa marcoceppi mhall119 congratulations
[18:00] <hggdh> czajkowski: thank you
[18:00] <hggdh> cjohnston: and congrats to you as well
[18:04] <czajkowski> cz tab complete:)
[18:04] <czajkowski> lots of c's in here
[18:15] <hggdh> oh
[18:15] <hggdh> darn!
[18:16] <hggdh> cjohnston: well, you *do* deserve congrats, always. But not this one.
[18:16]  * hggdh reassigns contrats to czajkowski (yeah tab works on cz)
[18:23] <czajkowski> :)


[07:13] <HappyHolidays> Hello
[07:35] <HappyHolidays> Did someone suceed to submit windows 2012 images to the new MAAS ?
[14:18] <thebozz> Hey guys, I need some clarification on the Juju-MAAS-Openstack trifecta. When we deploy Juju on MAAS, it acquires a node and uses it, right? Will we be able to install Openstack in that node too?


[19:31] <tsimonq2> 904672
[19:31] <tsimonq2> grrrr
[19:32] <tsimonq2> https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[20:07] <valorie> good one, tsimonq2
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Thanks valorie.
 Shipping documentation? How?
 By shipping it in a package...
 Well yes but are you packaging the lubuntu manual?
 I may need some help with the builds of the kubuntu manuel. Travis is failing.
 @ahoneybun, I am.
 @ahoneybun, Let me know.
[23:35] <valorie> tsimonq2: did I lend or give you a battery backup?
[23:35] <valorie> portable but bigish one?
[23:36] <valorie> I have my little one charging but big one is hiding
[23:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: I don't think so
[23:36] <valorie> hmmm
[23:36] <valorie> I swear I had it last conf
[23:37] <valorie> oh well, it's not like I need TWO
[23:38] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:39] <valorie> I know how to find it -- buy another!
[23:39] <valorie> but I don't need another
[23:39] <valorie> :-)
[23:39] <tsimonq2> hah
[23:39] <valorie> perhaps I gave it to someone in India
[23:40] <valorie> kit is expensive there