[01:02] <logical123> Is there a known bug of being unable to play DVD's?
[01:08] <bazhang> logical123, installed libdvdcss2 from medibuntu.org ?
[01:10] <logical123> I just found a thread on the forum, I'll do that now.
[01:10] <logical123> Thanks!
[01:10] <pcybill> logical123 This might help as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:10] <bazhang> welcome :)
[01:13] <logical123> I was freaking out that I had installed a botched copy of xubuntu on two machines
[01:27] <logical123> And it works. Wonderful.
[01:59] <Yutaka> hey hello
[02:00] <Yutaka> I want to install xfce 4.8 on ubuntu which is the repository?
[02:00] <Yutaka> pleia2, hi :D
[02:00] <charlie-tca> Yutaka: there is not a repository or ppa yet
[02:01] <Yutaka> :-(
[02:01] <charlie-tca> It is available in the development version, Natty Narwhal
[02:01] <Yutaka> :~
[02:01] <Yutaka> mmm
[02:01] <Yutaka> ok thank you
[02:02] <Yutaka> charlie-tca
[02:02] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[02:02] <Yutaka>  :-)
[02:08] <Yutaka> IdleOne, Good Night <3
[05:55] <MY3rdEYE> REGISTER
[06:43] <mpakfm> hi. do you speak russian?
[06:44] <mpakfm> anybody home?
[11:03] <ubufind> how do i find a file i dont know its location?
[11:03] <ubufind> an iso
[11:08] <B-r00t> use catfish
[11:08] <B-r00t> to search files
[11:28] <ubufind> "the list of app is out of date" clicked reload and it repeats how do i fix this?
[11:31] <B-r00t> in software-center?
[11:36] <Kangarooo> hello. where can i find latests dailly build for xubuntu 10.10 ? i dont want a lot updates to make on new installation
[11:37] <bazhang> Kangarooo, there are none
[11:37] <Sysi> do netinstall
[11:37] <bazhang> Kangarooo, you seem to be confusing the point releases of LTS such as 10.04.1
[11:38] <Kangarooo> and 10.04 also not made daily or at least 10.04.02 yes?
[11:39] <bazhang> Kangarooo, or have a restore point iso prepared beforehand (though too late for that now)
[11:39] <bazhang> Kangarooo, 10.04.2 should be out shortly, yes
[11:40] <Kangarooo> i got for one organization 3 comps and gave my old away and wante to put xubuntu but wiuthout long updating. can i make this restore point from my comp?
[11:40] <Kangarooo> in system make installation iso yes?
[11:41] <bazhang> yes, but you need a fully uptodate system to make the restore point from.
[11:41] <Kangarooo> yes i have ok
[11:42] <Kangarooo> and it will make iso of all programms i have installed yes?
[11:42] <bazhang> I'd personally use remastersys, though its third party (ie not in the repos), as it can create an *installable iso*
[11:42] <Kangarooo> or i can check with i dont need on that cd?
[11:43] <bazhang> not your home directory for obvious privacy / security reasons
[11:44] <Kangarooo> or.. is it better- possible to make one comp on network to take updates from updated computer so not all need to pump from internet at the same time but one pumps and other takes from 1st one
[11:46] <bazhang> Kangarooo, you can do that, creating an apt-mirror, or just aptoncd (for less hassle) though the remastersys is way less work.
[11:46] <bazhang> !info apt-mirror
[11:46] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[11:46] <Kangarooo> WOW cool
[11:47] <Kangarooo> ill try it.
[11:48] <bazhang> back up important stuff first though.
[11:48] <bazhang> ie stuff from your home directory.
[11:48] <Kangarooo> on thouse where ill install or my comp from witch ill make PointIso?
[11:49] <Kangarooo> thouse where ill install are empty.
[11:49] <Kangarooo> or will be couse there was winxp
[11:59] <bazhang> Kangarooo, make backups of all important (ie irreplaceable in your view ) stuff. failure to do so indicates you dont care about it. expect the worst, hope for the best.
[12:00] <uburediculous> how do i install if add/remove won't let me update it?
[12:19] <Kangarooo> but witch better to use? 10.04 or 10.10 xubuntu ?
[12:19] <Kangarooo> lts or latest stable ?
[12:26] <Kangarooo> but witch better to use? 10.04 or 10.10 xubuntu ? lts or latest stable ?  (couldnt get response- lost network)
[12:27] <ablomen> Kangarooo, .10 is stable for me
[12:28] <Sysi> depends about you
[12:33] <Kangarooo> ok ill get that netinstall from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:33] <Kangarooo> ouh. theres no xubuntu version
[12:35] <Kangarooo> heres one idea i like. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5068/
[12:35] <Kangarooo> netinstall with choosing witch version to install
[13:42] <Svetlanakoskenko> I need some help with my sound, can someone help me? I am really a beginner so i need really explaned help
[13:45] <bazhang> !alsa | Svetlanakoskenko please read this first
[16:07] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone!
[16:28] <bazhang> hi
[17:17] <cruncher> hey all,
[17:17] <cruncher> so.. anyone know of a PPA for the new xfce 4.8?
[17:19] <charlie-tca> no, but it is available in Natty, the development version of xubuntu
[17:25] <mark76> It's too early for Natty :(
[17:25] <mark76> Unless you like living on the edge
[17:26] <charlie-tca> it's also too early for a ppa for something announced two days ago :-(
[17:53] <cruncher> charlie-tca, yeah, i guess it is. changes do look nice though
[17:54] <charlie-tca> changes are great, to be honest. I really like the panel configurations and ease of use now
[17:54] <charlie-tca> drag and drop menu to desktop to create launchers, right click /usr/share/applications files to create launchers on panels
[17:54] <charlie-tca> and, I haven't been able to crash the panels!
[17:57] <cruncher> charlie-tca, did you compile from the tarballs or are you on Natty?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> I think I tried every theme today to get it to change, it just doesn't happen
[17:57] <charlie-tca> oops, wrong window
[17:57] <charlie-tca> cruncher: I am running natty
[17:57] <cruncher> ah, cool
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Lot of work compiling 4.8
[17:58] <cruncher> charlie-tca, yeah, lots of stuff there. Are you finding Natty very stable yet?
[17:58] <cruncher> still really early
[17:58] <charlie-tca> heh, very
[17:58] <charlie-tca> It's stable for the most part, with a lot of issues yet
[17:59] <charlie-tca> I couldn't update for three or four days because of a libwebkitgtk issue
[17:59] <cruncher> ah
[17:59] <charlie-tca> today the themes are not changing at all, the gtk theme and icons are what ever it decides to use
[18:00] <cruncher> may try it on my desktop when i get home.
[18:00] <cruncher> he he
[18:00] <cruncher> yeah, some kinks to work out i suppose
[18:02] <charlie-tca> yeah, one or two :-)
[18:08] <Sysi> compiling 4.8 soon
[18:26] <Sysi> note to self: install gcc when compiling stuff
[19:08] <MY3rdEYE> NickServ REGISTER
[19:10] <MY3rdEYE> Nickserv
[19:10] <charlie-tca> forgot the /  ?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> as in front of Nickserv
[19:11] <MY3rdEYE> thanks sorry just confused how to do it
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I know that issue, too.
[19:12] <Sysi> not as bad as giving passwd to polish nickserv on ircnet
[19:14] <TheSheep> Sysi: why polish?
[19:16] <Sysi> iirc polish host
[19:18] <TheSheep> I see. Personally I just authorize on login -- prevents mistakes
[19:22] <Sysi> i (hopefully) login seldomly
[19:53] <ShootEmUp> Hi everyone
[19:53] <mark76> Hello
[19:54] <charlie-tca> ShootEmUp: turn off the welcome message. It spams every channel when you sign on
[19:55] <charlie-tca> ShootEmUp: turn off the welcome message. It spams every channel when you sign on
[19:56] <ShootEmUp> it's not automatic, but I will stop saying it
[19:57] <charlie-tca> It is particularly bad in channels like #ubuntu-meeting in the middle of a meeting
[19:57] <charlie-tca> It is okay in off-topic channels
[20:00] <Sysi> 4.8 compiled \o/
[20:00] <Sysi> see if it works
[20:09] <cruncher> Sysi, cool
[20:10] <charlie-tca> shootemup: still quitting?
[20:10] <shootemup> yup
[20:10] <shootemup> most of the time it's fine
[20:10] <shootemup> just today I guess
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Good luck, then. I guess there is no point saying hi each time, huh?
[20:11] <shootemup> not really
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Your's isn't bad, some of these people have to work for an hour or more of those quits
[20:12] <shootemup> seems to have stopped, fingers crossed
[20:12] <charlie-tca> hm, need help now
[20:13] <charlie-tca> had emails bouncing, so I emailed the website that appeared to be bouncing them
[20:13] <charlie-tca> got a message back from my own website host saying they will investigate...
[20:13] <charlie-tca> appears I bounced them myself?
[20:32] <connecteduser> what package do I need to fix this error in exaile: 'missing plugin in GStreamer installation' when I try to play online radios?
[20:34] <connecteduser> hm?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> gstreamer-plugin
[20:35] <connecteduser> I'll try that
[20:36] <connecteduser> packet not found
[20:38] <connecteduser> hm.. I used to listen to these shoutcast radios with xmms
[20:38] <connecteduser> but now with the new version of xmms2 or whatever they changed everything I don't use it anymore ><
[20:40] <charlie-tca> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[20:41] <charlie-tca> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse, gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[20:47] <connecteduser>  there's no package for xmms 1 too :/
[20:48] <Sysi> audacious has replaced xmms
[20:48] <Sysi> it uses (same?) winamp skins
[20:49] <connecteduser> I just installed it
[20:50] <connecteduser> I'm not sure audacious has all the same plugins that xmms did
[20:53] <connecteduser> Sysi: do you know how I get shoutcast streams in audacious? I enabled streambrowser plugin, but there's just xiph stations in there
[20:54] <Sysi> try dragging .m3u orwhatever file to playlist?
[20:54]  * charlie-tca just asks them to "shout" louder?
[20:57] <connecteduser> hm.. I have some trouble with this stream browser
[20:58] <connecteduser> it seems to work for xiph stations though
[21:07] <connecteduser> ok it now work in exaile installing the stuff you said
[21:07] <frenzz> hello, just install xubuntu10.10 and after install wia apt-get
[21:07] <frenzz> mc and htop
[21:07] <frenzz> try to launch this
[21:07] <frenzz> and fail
[21:08] <charlie-tca> trying to launch what?
[21:08] <frenzz> mc
[21:08] <frenzz> or htop
[21:08] <charlie-tca> did you get any errors?
[21:08] <frenzz> yes
[21:08] <frenzz> if i try rub htop - "Error opening terminal: unknown."

[21:09] <connecteduser> err I talked to fast.. cant browse the stations tree in exaile -_-
[21:09] <frenzz> no, didn't update
[21:09] <charlie-tca> see Sysi 's statement?
[21:10] <frenzz> its'll help ?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> frenzz: yes
[21:11] <frenzz> 210 mb yay)))
[21:11] <Sysi> known bug, fixed in updates
[21:26] <Sysi> do not try to have two xfce versions at the same time
[21:26] <Sysi> finally back to graphical :P
[21:26] <charlie-tca> I thought you could do that?
[21:26]  * charlie-tca might be thinking of firefox, though
[21:27] <Sysi> you can, but it needs some knowledge


[12:33] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[20:26] <user|15> Hello, I follow Nate Graham's blog. In the last post he said that he is not involved in the Kubuntu project as wrongly reported in the https://kubuntu.org/the-kubuntu-team/ page. I'm just wondering why it' still listed as Kubuntu team member.
[20:26] <user|15> See the comment here:
[20:26] <user|15> https://pointieststick.com/2023/09/06/september-plasma-6-update/#comment-37794
[20:30] <RikMills> user|15: not any more ;)
[20:31] <user|15> thanks so he was a Kubuntu team member years ago
[20:33] <RikMills> yes
[20:33] <user|15> (y)  thanks


[21:31] <blkperl> bkerensa: hey, we're an approved loco right? get us the Ubuntu Server books plz :P
[21:37] <bkerensa> blkperl: its one book and I have requested it
[21:49] <blkperl> :)


 do chinese eat butter?
[03:21] <elky> whelp, not much i can do now 2 hrs later :-/
[03:21] <elky> i can't see anything done at the time
[15:19] <phunyguy> genii: "new network interface naming"?  What do you mean by this?  Just curious, because predictable interface names have been a thing since at least 14.04.
[15:20] <genii> phunyguy: It used to just be it would occur on Dell systems but now it's all systems
[15:20] <phunyguy> huh...
[15:21] <phunyguy> genii: did not know that.  Interesting.
[15:21] <phunyguy> genii: also, my systems are not Dells, if that matters.
[16:21] <hggdh> squigz: anything we can do for you? If not, please /part
[19:10] <k1l> !appeals
[22:11] <Unit193> tonyyarusso: Heads-up, you seem to have missed your expiration notice from LP for #ubuntu.
[22:13] <Unit193> ..And -ot.


[01:57] <andrew> Anyone else remember the days before modern browsers had the ability to undo the closing of a tab?
[01:58] <rmg51> I remember the days when you got a bowser from your ISP :-D
[01:59] <andrew> But how am I supposed to surf the web without aol?
[02:00] <rmg51> http://www.aol.com/
[02:00] <PennBot> Title: AOL.com - Welcome to AOL (at www.aol.com)
[02:00] <andrew> *cringes knowing that there are still people like that*
[02:00] <andrew> Actually, I'm looking forward to using teachparentstech.com
[02:01] <MutantTurkey> andrew: what about those days?
[02:02] <andrew> I just take for granted how easy ctrl+shift+t has made my life, that I often forget about the struggle that used to occur.
[02:02] <rmg51> and of course everyone remembers that it was Microsoft that came up with the idea for tabbed browsing :-/
[02:04] <andrew> Dear wise men of this channel, what year did the first keyboards come out with the windows key?
[02:04] <rmg51> where would we be if not for Internet Explorer
[02:04] <andrew> (I'm too young to remember.)
[02:05] <MutantTurkey> andrew: i still haven't implemented that into my browser
[02:06] <pleia2> andrew: am I allowed to answer?
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> i haven't quite figured out how.
[02:06] <andrew> MutantTurkey: implemented what?
[02:06] <andrew> pleia2: sure
[02:06] <MutantTurkey> reopening closed tabs
[02:06] <andrew> Dear wise folk* of this channel, what year did the first keyboards come out with the windows key?
[02:06] <pleia2> they started coming out with win95
[02:06] <pleia2> so 94ish? I don't know exactly
[02:06] <andrew> pleia2: so, 95, or 94
[02:06] <pleia2> pretty sure
[02:07] <andrew> i knew win95 was the start of it, but I don't recall the year
[02:07] <MutantTurkey> i free all the memory of a tab when it closes in my browsers, so i'm not sure exactly how i would go about re-opening them. I'd have to save it to a disk cache or something
[02:07] <pleia2> that's when it became standard anyway, weird keyboards may have had them earlier
[02:07] <andrew> MutantTurkey: ctrl+shift+t
[02:07] <pleia2> win95 was the first windows to have a start menu though, which is the purpose of the win key
[02:08] <rmg51> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_key
[02:08] <PennBot> Title: Windows key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[02:08] <pleia2> rmg51: ah, nice
[02:08] <andrew> I like the "Usage in non-Microsoft operating systems" section of that ^
[02:08] <erstazi> pleia2: but the windows key was originally developed for win3.1
[02:08] <pleia2> "originally introduced on the Microsoft Natural Keyboard before the release of Windows 95. This key became a standard key on PC keyboards since the release of the Windows 95 operating system."
[02:09] <erstazi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_key#Usage_with_Microsoft_Windows << example
[02:09] <PennBot> Title: Windows key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[02:09] <erstazi> they had an extension or something, if I remember correctly
[02:09]  * erstazi remembers win3.1
[02:09] <pleia2> but 3.1 didn't have a start menu, what did it do?
[02:10] <andrew> the cube effect
[02:10] <pleia2> lol
[02:11] <erstazi> hahaha
[02:11] <erstazi> pleia2: I don't remember exactly
[02:11] <andrew> Ok, someone fire up your vm of 3.1 that you have sitting around
[02:11]  * rmg51 used 3.11
[02:11] <pleia2> http://www.michaelv.org/ ?
[02:11] <PennBot> Title: michaelv.org (at www.michaelv.org)
[02:11] <andrew> well aren't you fancy?
[02:11] <pleia2> aw, win key no worky
[02:12] <andrew> winkey + scroll makes it bigger
[02:12] <erstazi> pleia2: maybe this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_Manager
[02:12] <PennBot> Title: Program Manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[02:16] <rmg51> try ctrl+scroll
[03:00] <MutantTurkey>  its weird. my dad gets seemingly random and sudden urges to vaccum late at night. wtf.
[03:01] <jedijf> he's broken
[03:01] <jedijf> or......is it a dyson?
[03:01] <MutantTurkey> i don't understand
[03:01] <MutantTurkey> it is a crappy generic vaccuum cleaner.
[03:01] <jedijf> see first answer...
[03:01] <andrew> Once in a while I had those feelings at college
[03:01] <MutantTurkey> lol he just stopped again.
[03:02] <MutantTurkey> :| really aggrevating while trying to watch avatar.
[03:02] <andrew> granted, this was like the once every 3 months when I was finally like... this place needs it
[03:02] <MutantTurkey> andrew: thats accceptable.
[03:02] <andrew> Also, 10pm isn't late, it was closer to 1am
[03:03] <MutantTurkey> well. but still
[03:03] <MutantTurkey> i have a baby sister?
[03:03] <andrew> My senior year I cleaned occasionally before holding 20 person  meetings in the appartment
[03:03] <andrew> that's a question?
[03:03] <MutantTurkey> and extremely anal neighbors who once yelled at me for trekking the trash out to loudly
[03:03] <MutantTurkey> i was trying to justify why 10pm would be a bad time
[03:03] <erstazi> honestly, babies sleep through vacuuming
[03:04] <andrew> The only time babies don't sleep is when you are trying to sleep.
[03:04] <MutantTurkey> i wouldn't put it to a test either though
[03:04] <erstazi> it can even put a baby to sleep, if you vacuum
[03:04] <MutantTurkey> erstazi: thanks for the *great* tip
[03:05] <erstazi> yeah, you can tell who the new parents are when they try to be always so quiet around their newborns. They will learn that this will bite them later on!
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> i'll bear that in mind when i get married
[03:11] <erstazi> Have yinz seen the videos of kids playing with iphones? I should record my son playing with my N900. Hilarious
[03:12] <erstazi> He flips through the phone like a master, which is scary.
[03:14] <MutantTurkey> i sort of want to try out a n900
[03:14] <MutantTurkey> i feel like at this point, even though i'm only 16, i've already fallen far behind the times
[04:37] <InHisName> Does that mean MutantTurkey is a has been already ?
[05:30] <andrew> jw8z$M1;
[05:38] <ChinnoDog> ...
[05:39] <andrew> apparently my computer wasn't locked...
[05:39] <ChinnoDog> haha
[05:39] <ChinnoDog> That is a very secure password
[05:39] <andrew> Not anymore
[05:40] <ChinnoDog> ok, it /was/ a very secure password
[05:40] <ChinnoDog> apg?
[05:41] <andrew> apg?
[05:41] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: apg is the Automated Password Generator
[05:41] <PennBot> Gotcha!
[05:41] <andrew> nope
[05:44] <andrew> The worst part of that was that was my password at work...
[05:44] <andrew> I say "was" because I *just* changed it (it was set to expire tomorrow anyways).
[05:45] <ChinnoDog> I already exposed my work password here awhile back. haha
[05:45] <ChinnoDog> I changed it asap. It sucked because I was logged into a lot of systems.
[05:46] <andrew> Just change it to something that is said often in here and no one will be the wiser when you accidently say it
[05:48] <andrew> Like to: "PennBot:" or something
[05:48] <andrew> it has caps, lower case, and a symbol
[05:48] <andrew> and no one would think twice when you accidently enter it in here
[05:53] <andrew> well, that fun is done
[06:18] <ChinnoDog> PennBot doesn't have any numbers
[06:18] <PennBot> Dunno!
[06:19] <ChinnoDog> Maybe if he were PennB0t..
[23:49] <jthan> andrew: how's the cr-48?
[23:57] <jthan> Anyone rush out to buy a nexus S?
[23:58] <MutantTurkey>   :[


[01:09] <Rodensky> hello.  what's the romanian repo server address?
[01:10] <Rodensky> (i mean the official one, not mirrors)
[01:10] <Sysi> there propably isn't any
[01:11] <Sysi> mirrors are the same, the only official is in usa or somewhere afaik
[01:11] <Rodensky> there was untill a few minutes ago when i accidently deleted the address :-)
[01:11] <Rodensky> it was something like "ftp.ubuntu.ro" or whatever
[01:12] <Sysi> it's still a mirror.. your loco should know better
[01:13] <Rodensky> my loco is asleep... it's 3am here :P
[01:13] <Rodensky> (if there is one...)
[01:13] <Sysi> so we're at the same zone then
[01:14] <Sysi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[01:16] <Rodensky> we're having some problems tonight, i can't open this web page, can you please tell me the server address?
[01:17] <Rodensky> pretty please :]
[05:13] <xevious> So, what do you guys think my chances of this working are: I created a Live USB stick, but it's not what I want exactly... i'd like a full installation running off the USB stick.
[05:13] <xevious> So I'm thinking if I install Xubuntu in VM, then mount the squashfs that's on the USB stick, I could rsync the VM's root FS into the squashfs.
[05:14] <xevious> Obviously there are some files I'd have to keep intact.
[05:17] <Unit193> What are you looking to do? What doesn't the stick do?
[05:17] <Unit193> !usb
[05:19] <xevious> It's being a bit odd. All kernel updates are wonky.
[05:19] <xevious> I wish I could just boot the installers that I've got set up on my PXE server and choose the USB stick as the target.
[05:20] <xevious> It won't let me install the nvidia driver.
[05:20] <xevious> I suspect that's related to the kernel updates not working.
[05:21] <Unit193> Did you have a look at the last link?
[05:21] <xevious> Yeah I've read those.
[05:22] <xevious> I've got a LiveCD image written to it with a persistent image, but it's not working quite right.
[05:22] <xevious> Such as not being able to install the nvidia drivers.
[05:23] <xevious> I broke it!
[05:24] <xevious> Ha - I figured getting a customized LiveUSB up and running would be an easy temporary solution while my PXE server is being reconfigured.
[05:42] <xevious> Whatever, I'll just deal with it until I get PXE booting back up and running.
[06:26] <xubuntu694> hello
[07:50] <kamran> hello
[10:49] <mrplow> installing daily natty right now, so far so good
[10:50] <Sysi> great, but if you face problems support for xubuntu natty is aso at #ubuntu+1
[14:21] <subspider> hello
[14:21] <subspider> :)
[14:22] <subspider> guys i have pidgin i installed the pulgin but i don't see any contacts after configuring any clue??
[16:13] <TheSheep> subspider: "the plugin"?
[16:14] <subspider> hello TheSheep yes pidgin-facebookchat it's the name of the pakage
[16:32] <MorphixNW> can anyone help me to configure a Samsung STP100SIN Thermal Receipt Printer?
[16:33] <MorphixNW> I would like to use the printer in order to print off lists from Gnumeric
[16:34] <MorphixNW> the printer is connected via COM1, my machine does detect it and allows me to install it, however I think the drive is incorrect as the printer just spits out garbage
[16:35] <MorphixNW> driver*
[16:53] <subspider> MorphixNW, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621 tell me if it works :)
[17:01] <MorphixNW> subspider: thank you but no it did not work
[17:01] <MorphixNW> the drivers installed, however, not the one I require
[17:02] <subspider> does samsung provide drivers for it MorphixNW
[17:04] <MorphixNW> maybe once upon a time
[17:27] <MorphixNW> subspider I think the printer is obselete
[20:20] <rklapp> hello?
[20:23] <rklapp> I have questions. Can anyone help me?
[20:27] <TheSheep> !hi | rklapp
[20:33] <rklapp> I'm using the Maverick Meerkat version. Is this the right place?
[20:33] <TheSheep> yes
[20:33] <rklapp> My video is stuck in low res mode.
[20:33] <rklapp> ron@ubuntu:~$ nvidia-xconfig
[20:33] <rklapp> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[20:33] <rklapp> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[20:33] <rklapp>                   Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default
[20:33] <rklapp>                   Screen".
[20:33] <rklapp> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
[20:34] <Sysi> if over 2 lines, use pastebin
[20:35] <TheSheep> you have to run it with root priviledges to allow it to write to /etc/X11
[20:35] <TheSheep> !sudo | rklapp
[20:35] <Sysi> nvidia-xconfig doesn't work in ubuntu iirc and if it worked you'd need to run it with sudo
[20:35] <Sysi> jockey-gtk should handle xorg.conf too
[20:36] <rklapp> how do i run in root?
[20:36] <TheSheep> rklapp: see hat ubottu gave you
[20:36] <TheSheep> what*
[20:37] <rklapp> what do you mean gave me?
[20:39] <rklapp> I ran sudo nvidia-xconfig and it still gave me the same incomplete error but also backed up the xorg.conf file.
[20:43] <TheSheep> rklapp: by the way, how did you install the drivers?
[20:43] <TheSheep> rklapp: I'm pretty sure it should autodetect them
[20:45] <rklapp> Unfortunately, it didn't or it did and didn't activate properly. I went through System - Administration - Additional Drivers. It told me that my nvidia driver was not activated so I activated. It told me to reboot so i did. I then got a Too Many connections error and went into tty mode. I'm able to get the GUI back by entering recovery mode and failsafe graphics.
[20:50] <TheSheep> rklapp: "too many connections" error?
[20:50] <rklapp> occurs at boot up
[20:51] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1635278
[20:51] <TheSheep> like this?
[20:54] <TheSheep> anything else in the logs?
[20:54] <TheSheep> especially the X log
[20:56] <rklapp> it does make a funny sound out of the speakers when I get the message. maybe a conflict between the onboard sound and my 560ti? What log are you refering to... the one in X11?
[20:58] <rklapp> don't see an x log
[20:58] <TheSheep> it's in /var/log/
[20:59] <TheSheep> called Xorg.0.log (or later number, depedning on which boot you want)
[21:01] <Sysi> (_last_ time i had problems with nvidia because of jockey i switched to fedora)
[21:01] <rklapp> i haven't tried the beta for linux 64bit from the nvidia website. should i try the beta driver?
[21:02] <Sysi> can't recommend
[21:04] <rklapp> how do i post a log?
[21:10] <Hariharakadan> rklapp, Usually in a pastebin to keep from flooding the channel.
[21:10] <rklapp> whats a pastebin?
[21:11] <Hariharakadan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:11] <xubuntu780> hi people!
[21:11] <Hariharakadan> It's a place to paste large segments of text such as logs and it condenses it down to a link for others to view.
[21:15] <rklapp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/592307/plain/
[21:15] <rklapp> good Lord, I have to enter a password to do anything with linux
[21:16] <rklapp> cant find the too many connections error in the log
[21:33] <pteague> there's several pastebin sites... including http://pastebin.com/
[23:16] <rshakin> hey ppl
[23:16] <rshakin> anyone know how to launch ati control panel from command line


[06:08] <cathode> hi
[06:17] <Guest83465> Good morning
[06:19] <cathode> i'm trying to force rename a network interface to a meaningful name but it's "not working" and i'm not sure how to look to see why it's not working
[06:19] <cathode> https://www.punyal.com/2016/08/18/ubuntu-16-04-rename-a-network-interface/ <-- using this method
[06:19] <cathode> ubuntu 17.04
[06:20] <Guest83465> cathode: Read the last two sections of https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[06:28] <cathode> ok thanks
[06:28] <cathode> after i add my own .link files, how do i apply them other than rebooting?
[06:31] <lordievader> I suppose this should do the trick: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/39370/how-to-reload-udev-rules-without-reboot
[06:32] <lordievader> Though I am not sure if udev will rename an existing device.
[06:34] <cathode> holy crap it worked
[06:34] <cathode> thanks
[06:34] <cathode> i had to reboot
[06:34] <cathode> but my network interfaces are correct now :D
[06:40] <lordievader> Good to hear the problem is solved.
[13:59] <ahasenack> smb: hi, I prepped https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1707400 for an SRU
[13:59] <ahasenack> rbasak: I wonder if "interesting bugs this week" and their investigation would be good material for blog posts
[14:01] <rbasak> ahasenack: +1
[14:12] <smb> ahasenack, was that just for my info or was there something I was expected to do?
[14:13] <ahasenack> smb: just fyi
[14:13] <smb> ahasenack, ah good. :)
[16:27] <might_get_loud> Hi all, im hosting a little PHP app on ubuntu server, and the app is in /home/$USER/app folder. I modified groups for $USER to be have www-data group, and www-data user to be part of $USER group. I also set up shared permisions on all files na folders to match users and groups with chmod g=u. But i cant access app, i have 500 internal server error. When i change owner of those files to www-data:www-data i can access app just fine. Anyone
[16:27] <might_get_loud> have any idea?
[16:27] <might_get_loud> Im using 16.04 and php 7.1
[16:44] <smoser> nacc, given a git-ubuntu git repo, can i produce a .orig easily?
[16:44] <nacc> smoser: yes, with a branch i have :)
[16:45] <nacc> smoser: (which uses pristine-tar)
[16:45] <ahasenack> doesn't  build-source produce one?
[16:46] <smoser> that just happens to be more than i wannted
[16:46] <ahasenack> ok
[16:47] <nacc> ahasenack: well, build-source uses pull-lp-source in master
[16:48] <ahasenack> what does pristine-tar do? tars everything but debian/ up?
[16:48] <ahasenack> and calls it whatever version you have as the top most in d/changelog?
[16:49] <nacc> ahasenack: well, we use pristine-tar to import things
[16:49] <nacc> ahasenack: so it's actually taking in the tarball as in the archive
[16:50] <smoser> nacc, link ?
[16:50] <smoser> i assumed i'd 'pristine-tar checkout <tarball>' but it wants a branch named 'pristine-tar' which isnt there.
[16:52] <nacc> smoser: one sec
[16:52] <nacc> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+ref/lp1698402
[16:53] <nacc> smoser: yeah, that's the issue for us, as we have both a debian and ubuntu pristine-tar branch
[16:53] <nacc> smoser: the above branch abstracts that out
[17:01] <smoser>  nacc hm.. i dont see how you tell pristine-tar which is the branch to look at
[17:02] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25227663/
[17:02] <mdeslaur> nacc: I am going to disable http2 support in apache2 so it can get out of -proposed
[17:02] <nacc> mdeslaur: ok
[17:03] <nacc> smoser: don't use gbp
[17:03] <nacc> smoser: it won't work with our repository
[17:03] <nacc> smoser: otp, give me a bit
[17:04] <smoser> i was looking at your code
[17:04] <smoser> and thats what it seemed to do
[17:04] <smoser> also invoking pristine-tar basically does the same thing
[17:04] <nacc> smoser: we use gbp to import it and then reproduce the pristine-tar
[17:04] <Apocope>  I have a server I updated from 12.04 to 14.04 using do-release-upgrade. Now cups won't see groups from ldap.  Oddly, I have a server that was installed as 14.04, same puppet stuff and it works properly.
[17:08] <nacc> smoser: yeah, i think we have a bug for that somewhere
[17:08] <ahasenack> Apocope: if relying on libnss-ldap, you can use getent passwd <user> to test ldap, where <user> exists in ldap only
[17:09] <ahasenack> (or libnss-ldapd, I assume it's the same idea: a new nss module in /etc/nsswitch.conf for the "passwd:" line)
[17:10] <smoser> nacc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pristine-tar/+bug/1708214
[17:10] <smoser> i just opened. didn't see an ubuntu bug at least.
[17:12] <Apocope> ahasenack: That works fine. My regular account is from ldap, I can log in, run sudo, all that stuff. Just, as far as I know, CUPS isn't seeing it. /etc/nsswitch.conf is identical between the working and the non-working server.
[17:12] <nacc> smoser: thanks
[17:12] <smoser> probaly https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467300
[17:13] <ahasenack> Apocope: does your ldap server allow anonymous binds/searches, or does it need a password?
[17:13] <ahasenack> Apocope: in other words, do you have a password stored somewhere in /etc for libnss-ldap(d) to contact the directory?
[17:14] <Apocope> ahasenack: No anonymous binds.
[17:14] <ahasenack> Apocope: so a password is needed. Can cups read that file with the password? I forget what it is, something in /etc/ldap/ probably
[17:17] <nacc> smoser: also, we needed something works (well, where we are now) in 16.04, which wouldn't be able to depend on pristine-tar (or gbp in this case) taking a branch
[17:17] <nacc> smoser: note that we can't use pristine-tar directly anyways
[17:17] <nacc> smoser: because of component tarballs :)
[17:19] <docmur> Hey guys, I'm trying to get dropbear initramfs to work so I can decrypt my VM via SSH during boot, however no matter what guide I follow I always get an error about authorization_key file now having valid SSH keys
[17:21] <Apocope> ahasenack: Are you sure that cups need to be able to read that file? The system has knowledge of group info from ldap. If I run 'getent group systemadmin' I get a reasonable response. I tried setting slapd.conf to be world readable, but it didn't do anything different.
[17:21] <ahasenack> Apocope: when you run getent group <name>, libnss-ldapd will contact the directory to search for <name>. You said that anonymous binds/searches are not allowed, so libnss-ldap needs credentials, right?
[17:22] <ahasenack> maybe I misunderstood
[17:23] <ahasenack> it wouldn't be rootpw from slapd.conf, though
[17:23] <Apocope> ahasenack: Yes, you're right, but ldap accounts in general are working. My account information is stored in ldap, I can log in, my groups, from ldap show up.
[17:24] <ahasenack> Apocope: and what errors show up in the cups logs?
[17:24] <ahasenack> and, is cups running in a chroot perhaps?
[17:25] <Apocope> ahasenack: No chroot. "cupsd: Unknown SystemGroup "systemadmin" on line 17 of /etc/cups/cups-files.conf." "cupsd: Unable to read "/etc/cups/cups-files.conf" due to errors."
[17:26] <ahasenack> Apocope: cups runs as the "lp" user, right?
[17:26] <smoser> docmur, that sounds interesting. it might be easier for you to test outside of an initramfs. i dont have any specific hints though.
[17:26] <ahasenack> well, one of its processes
[17:27] <smoser> i do know that cirros runs dropbear from initramfs so theres nothing specifically magic there.
[17:27] <ahasenack> Apocope: and you can "getent group systemadmin" as root?
[17:27] <docmur> smoser, okay, any recommendations?  I have got Dropbear to work on 14.04 (I think)
[17:29] <Apocope> ahasenack: cupsd seems to be running as root. 'getent group systemadmin' gives reasonable looking group information.
[17:29] <ahasenack> getent run as root?
[17:29] <Apocope> ahasenack: Yes
[17:30] <smoser> docmur, this is the first time i've ever looked at it in ubuntu. i notice there is a
[17:30] <smoser>  dropbear-initramfs
[17:30] <smoser> which i'm guessing is what you're trying to use.
[17:30] <docmur> Wow, I should run the search
[17:31] <docmur> Let me try that package :)
[17:32] <ahasenack> Apocope: are there apparmor errors in the output of dmesg? something with DENIED?
[17:32] <Error404NotFound> Is there a super lightweight, may be single file, proxy server that I can use to forward domains to ports? I have few http servers running on 8080, 8081, 8082, and I'd rather have them access as abc.com, def.com. I don't want full blown nginx for just name->port.
[17:33] <ahasenack> Error404NotFound: are the multiple domains on the same ip, or different ips?
[17:33] <Error404NotFound> I could use different ips, say: <IP_ADDRESS>:8080, <IP_ADDRESS>:8081
[17:34] <Apocope> ahasenack: Oh, yes. "type=1400 audit(1501695210.403:183): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd" name="/run/nslcd/socket" pid=17838 comm="cupsd" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=0 ouid=0"
[17:35] <ahasenack> is that socket from libnss-ldapd?
[17:35] <ahasenack> or what is it
[17:35] <ahasenack> Error404NotFound: no, I meant, if the domains mapped to different ips in dns, I was going to suggest the most lightweight of all redirects: iptables :)
[17:35] <Apocope> ahasenack: nslcd is the local LDAP name service daemon. That seems important.
[17:36] <ahasenack> Apocope: it does. And what about the other machine where it works?
[17:36] <nacc> smoser: ok, off the phone now -- we don't currently provide an interface to the APIs to extract the tarballs. If you are interested in that (e.g., git ubuntu export-orig <upstream version>), file a feature request, please :)
[17:36] <Error404NotFound> ahasenack nah, they're all running locally, no dns involved.
[17:37] <Apocope> ahasenack: I'm seeing that same log, except it says ALLOWED instead of denied.
[17:38] <ahasenack> Apocope: this was an upgrade from which ubuntu release again?
[17:38] <ahasenack> trusty to xenial? Or what?
[17:38] <Apocope> ahasenack: 12.04 -> 14.04
[17:39] <ahasenack> Apocope: try this command as root, and then restart cups(d): apparmor_parser -r -T -W /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd
[17:39] <ahasenack> that will reload the apparmor profile but ignore any existing cache, and write a new cache out
[17:39] <ahasenack> then the same for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cups-browsed (just because it's about cups too)
[17:40] <nacc> smoser: question re: the intent of the open-iscsi test. It's checking to see if iscsid can be started. But we've updated the systemd unit to not start unless configured. That test seems (now) to simply be invalid, should I just delete it?
[17:43] <Apocope> ahasenack: I just tried copying the /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd file from the working server to the non-working server, restarted apparmor and cups works now. I'm just going to call that good. Thanks for your help.
[17:43] <ahasenack> Apocope: I think you could have a stale apaprmor cache file, I've seen that in another bug I just recently worked on, and it happened because of a release-upgrade too
[17:44] <ahasenack> Apocope: when you copied the file, you changed its timestamp to be $now, i.e., more recent than the cache, so apparmor grabbed that file instead of the cache
[17:44] <ahasenack> that bug drove me nuts for a bit because the apparmor profile was correct, yet I was still getting DENIED errors
[17:45] <ahasenack> Apocope: fwiw, apparmor cache files are in /etc/apparmor.d/cache
[17:45] <ahasenack> cool that it works now :)
[17:45] <Apocope> ahasenack: You're probably right about that. I'm comparing the files, and the only difference is that there's a flags=(complain) in one that's not in the other. Thanks so much.
[17:45] <ahasenack> I'll drink some coffee to that :)
[17:49] <smoser> nacc, pollinate is behind the archive in trusty-proposed
[17:49] <smoser> its in gitubuntu/import-cron-packages.txt
[17:50] <smoser> should i just import?
[17:50] <nacc> smoser: it's a bit racy right now, it depends on when the bot was running (i can give more detail) -- let me check one thing
[17:51] <smoser> i can just run import and let it do its thing too
[17:58] <nacc> smoser: go ahead, i need to fix something with the snap
[17:59] <smoser> i'm also currently importing dropbear
[17:59] <smoser> as i wanted to look at source per the question above and can't possibly imagine doing that any other way
[18:23] <docmur> I found this guide: https://hamy.io/blog/remote-unlocking-of-luks-encrypted-root-in-ubuntu-debian/ and it's works great :), if anyone needs to remotely decrypt a VM
[18:28] <nacc> smoser: the source in a particular release?
[18:29] <nacc> smoser: if you do import dropbear, can you also add it to the auto-import list? (a MP for it is fine)
[18:55] <ahasenack> nacc: in git ubuntu submit, what's the syntax for --target-branch? Something like "ubuntu/xenial-devel"?
[18:55] <nacc> ahasenack: yeah, that should be right (the bit after refs/heads/ basically)
[18:56] <ahasenack> nacc: ok
[19:26] <sarnold> hallyn: hello :) does https://github.com/shadow-maint/shadow/commit/954e3d2e7113e9ac06632aee3c69b8d818cc8952 need a CVE?
[19:27] <sarnold> hallyn: (asking due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1266675 )
[19:42] <ahasenack> powersj: rbasak: nacc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Merge_Proposals_and_Reviewing
[19:42] <ahasenack> I'll email too, so cpaelzer has something to read when he is back ;)
[19:44] <rbasak> Thanks!
[19:50] <hallyn> sarnold: i didn't think so, as i don't think it's exploitable, and isn't used by anything suid-root,
[19:51] <hallyn> sarnold: but i could be wrong, so if you feel it deserves one then by all means...
[19:53] <sarnold> hallyn: that was my initial impression but then I got to wondering if terrible tools like webmin or similar might assume the functionality works and perhaps allow someone to get more privileges than expected by "add a user" front end..
[20:01] <hallyn> sarnold: sounds like issuing a cve is the prudent thing to do then
[20:02] <sarnold> hallyn: alright, I'll take care of the paperwork. thanks.
[20:07] <ahasenack> nacc: where did you have the manpage tricks documented again, for the git-ubuntu snap?
[20:07] <ahasenack> or is that not needed anymore?
[20:39] <nacc> ahasenack: it's in the bug, one sec
[20:39] <nacc> ahasenack: LP: #1699526
[20:42] <teward> i forsee one issue with nginx and the merges.
[20:43] <teward> ubuntu is ahead of Debian :p
[20:43] <teward> and there's an official divergence because they're tracking mainline and we're tracking stable... so...
[20:43] <teward> it's also out of date lol
[20:43] <nacc> teward: is that referring to the git-ubuntu tooling?
[20:43] <teward> (on the list of repos)
[20:43] <teward> nacc: yep
[20:43] <nacc> teward: nginx is a bit odd in that regard, an "Ubuntu merge" is always (at least otherwise in my experience) relative to the Debian version
[20:44] <nacc> teward: not strictly required, of course
[20:44] <nacc> teward: i think you could do it, you just need to tell `git ubuntu merge` what the new onto should be (presumably it's an upstream ref)
[20:44] <nacc> teward: but it probably will fail because it won't find debian/changelog there
[20:44] <nacc> teward: it sounds like less of a merge and more of a uupdate
[20:44] <teward> nacc: that's *usually* what ends up being the case with nginx
[20:45] <teward> with a merge every so often if there's major packaging changes, but those're easy to nitpick wrt git
[20:46] <nacc> teward: ack -- it almost certainly will need some love, feel free to file a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/usd-importer/+filebug) if you have a specific flow we can't support (with a testcase, ideally, but we can figure that out later)
[20:48] <teward> nacc: usually though there's not much difference in packaging, that's why i've not used a Git workflow yet for nginx merges and instead did the 'old school' way - that *may* be one of the very few packages where all that needs done manually...
[20:48] <teward> but hey i'm used to it :p
[20:49] <nacc> teward: sure, if you've got a workflow that works for you, no need to even use our tooling :)
[20:49] <teward> indeed.
[20:49] <nacc> teward: it will happily follow the archive for now
[21:11] <SuperLag> Is there something I can do for configuration, to not keep so many old kernels in /boot?
[21:13] <nacc> SuperLag: i think unattended-upgrades can autoremove if you turn it on
[21:33] <SuperLag> nacc: I have unattended-upgrades turned on, I'm guessing it requires more configuration beyond that.
[21:34] <nacc> SuperLag: yeah, there's a commented out line int he default config, iirc Unattended-Upgrade::Remove-Unused-Dependencies "true";
[22:04] <hashwagon> Why would my ubuntu server 16.04 system not show a usb drive with lsblk -f, but shows the devices with lsusb? If I unplug it and back in it'll show up, but I can't do that with remote systems.
[22:13] <nacc> rbasak: please take a look at my last comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/ubuntu/+source/logcheck/+git/logcheck/+merge/327810
[22:14] <powersj> nacc: thank you for the reviews! Are you using git ubuntu lint from master?
[22:15] <powersj> if so I'll make sure to use it from here on out
[22:15] <nacc> powersj: just pushing out another fix for it (that is related to the last review) and yes
[22:15] <nacc> powersj: the snap should be refreshing shortly
[22:15] <powersj> ok thanks
[22:15] <powersj> sweet
[22:15] <powersj> hopefully will speed this turn around time
[22:15] <powersj> word failure... but yes speed things up
[22:15] <nacc> yeah, and i'm hoping to instatiate the review bot soonish too (at least for our team)
[22:16] <nacc> which will make this all a bit more automatic
[22:16] <powersj> sweet
[22:27] <nacc> smoser: sorry if i missed it, but did you have any feedback on the potential change to test_daemon for src:open-iscsi?
[22:28] <RoyK> hashwagon: perhaps with a scsi host rescan? usb shows up like scsi devices and I beleive they are treated that way at these layers too https://blogs.it.ox.ac.uk/oxcloud/2013/03/25/rescanning-your-scsi-bus-to-see-new-storage/
[22:28] <nacc> smoser: my current thinking is we should disable that test altogether with the new systemd unit
[22:35] <peterrus> I have an install with a root filesystem in lvm, and for some reason every time I boot I get dropped to the recovery shell, then if I run 'mount -a' and then exit my system boots normally
[22:35] <peterrus> any pointers on what could go wrong?
[22:36] <drab> just a guess, but the uuid of the fs in the initrd/fstab might be wrong
[22:37] <drab> so when initrd boots up and wants to load / (which also contains your fstab), it fails
[22:37] <drab> if you mount -a (ie mount everything), then / appears
[22:37] <peterrus> drab: any way to find out which uuid the initrd is expecting?
[22:37] <drab> however thinking aloud, that doesn't quite make sense since fstab would still not be available by the time that mount -a happens
[22:37] <drab> but I'd still poke in that direction
[22:38] <peterrus> drab: you might be right :p
[22:38] <drab> peterrus: blkid
[22:38] <drab> that will tell you the uuid of all the disks
[22:38] <drab> I'd start byu checking that the output of that matches what's in your fstab
[22:39] <drab> and then you may want to run sudo update-initramfs
[22:39] <drab> (assuming it matches)
[22:39] <drab> and see if that helps at all
[22:40] <peterrus> drab: its using /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root
[22:40] <drab> oh right, lvm, so not a uuid in fstab
[22:42] <drab> peterrus: when you get dropped in the shalel, have you tried any of the lvm commands?
[22:42] <drab> to see what's available lvm wise at that point?
[22:42] <drab> and also look at some logs
[22:45] <drab> also what ubuntu version are you running? I'm seeing some bugs for lvm2 that showed up with the same symptoms you described
[22:48] <drab> peterrus: this seems to be relevant: https://askubuntu.com/questions/567730/gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-ubuntu-vg-root-doesnt-exist
[22:48] <drab> do you get the same error?
[22:53] <peterrus> drab: appearently I had to fsck my /boot/efi partition :p
[22:54] <peterrus> its all fixed now
[22:54] <peterrus> thanks for pointing me in the right direction though !
[22:54] <peterrus> I have been living like this for a year now :p
[22:55] <noft> is microcode firmware for Intel CPUs useful on linux OS ? any advantage/dis. ?
[22:57] <sarnold> noft: the microcode updates can fix bugs that otherwise can kill systems dead -- see the hyperthread mentions on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-microcode/+changelog
[22:59] <sarnold> noft: previous microcode updates have disabled known-buggy transactional memory handling extensions that lead to buggy locking primitives
[22:59] <sarnold> noft: normally intel doesn't document _anything_ though. you just don't know what gets fixed and what doesn't get fixed.
[23:05] <noft> sarnold: saw a link that you gave me...btw nothing to worry much about, sandy architecture in my case
[23:06] <noft> sarnold: it looks like 'must have' for newer cpu, skylake/kaby
[23:07] <noft> lot of bugfixing
[23:07] <sarnold> noft: the trouble is that you'll never know what it fixes for your CPU except in exceptionally rare circumstances :(
[23:29] <noft> sarnold: you there?
[23:30] <sarnold> yeah
[23:31] <noft> found this
[23:31] <noft> You already have proprietary microcode running inside your CPU, this package just provides an update
[23:31] <noft>    for it. It's not a non-free "driver", as it really has nothing to do with your system at all - it gets
[23:31] <noft>    loaded by the kernel at boot time, sent to the CPU, updated in the EEPROM block on the CPU and then
[23:31] <noft>    left alone, never to be used in a meaningful way again
[23:31] <noft> microcode updates are usually issued to fix errata in the CPU's
[23:31] <noft>    design, which can be anything ranging from lockups to crashes to silent data corruption
[23:32] <noft> I think it's good idea to get it
[23:33] <sarnold> both those descriptions sound fair, except for the 'never to be used in a meaningful way again' -- since it's the software that controls how the CPU is implemented..
[23:34] <noft> oh i get it
[23:34] <noft> so for a permanent update I should update BIOS ?
[23:35] <sarnold> that'd accomplish about the same thing but runs the risk of giving you motherboard problems (there's always some risk there..)
[23:36] <noft> ...well it still depends if manufacturer included updated microcode into bios update
[23:36] <noft> correct me if i'm wrong
[23:37] <sarnold> right; and they may or they may not. bios people are almost as bad as intel in telling you what they fix :(
[23:37] <noft> true
[23:38] <noft> btw nvm, it's not like I'm running server on this machine or anything that I care, like science researches etc
[23:39] <sarnold> still you want a stable computer :)
[23:41] <nacc> rbasak: sigh, libvirt may break our versioning checks :)
[23:41] <noft> right but until now I didn't expect anything strange
[23:41] <nacc> rbasak: in trusty-security/updates: 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.16/1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.20
[23:42] <noft> as I said, it's nice to see changelogs...from those I saw that newer CPUs are likely to need those the most
[23:44] <sarnold> older cpus have probably already had their updates, and might have been simpler machines too :)
[23:55] <rbasak> nacc: is there a particular reason libvirt does it that way? I'd rather we be consistent across all packages. Though things like the kernel and HWE packages will always be an exception I expect.
[23:55] <nacc> rbasak: no idea :)
[23:55] <nacc> rbasak: a good question for smb or cpaelzer
[23:55] <rbasak> nacc: and in the meantime, I think it's fine for lint to continue pointing it out to libvirt uploaders :)
[23:55] <nacc> rbasak: yep
[23:56] <rbasak> nacc: time for gulint overrides? :-P
[23:56] <nacc> rbasak: heh