[10:12] <yves> after upgrade to 14.04 pulse-jack module is not working
[12:12] <roel_> hi. how can I get sound out Rosegarden, like the standard selected piano?  Changing outputs at "Manage MIDI Devices" didnt help me.     Timidity ++ works great.
[12:20] <roel_> hallo?
[18:55] <ubuntu-studio> Hey! In Ubuntu Studio 14.04 final the no-LADSPA-in-Audacity bug is still present. Anybody knows when if this is going to be fixed sometime soon?
[19:26] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: is that a bug?
[19:27] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: ask audacity to support what you like, and it'll just trickle into ubuntu's version
[19:27] <ubuntu-studio> I've reported this in the Bugtracker and it got marked as a duplicate, so yes - it's a bug, definitely not a feature ;)
[19:28] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: well, i hate to repeat and come off as attacking.. and have no intentions, but, are you sure its a bug?
[19:28] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: i mean, did audacity promise you ladspa support?
[19:28] <holstein> i assure you , ubuntu is not preventing audacity from providing you with ladspa support.. lets try this.. what are you trying to do?
[19:29] <ubuntu-studio> holstein, does it mean that the Audacity's team have made a decision to drop support for LADSPA plugins? For all the years I'm using Audacity under linux, it always had been taking use of LADSPA plugins...
[19:29] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: you'd have to ask them.. im just saying, dont assume anythin gis a bug
[19:29] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: if they dont provide support for the plugins you are talking about, or if the plugins dont support audacity, they wont be supported
[19:29] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: what plugins are you talking about?
[19:30] <ubuntu-studio> holstein, I'm gonna ask them in the Audacity forums.
[19:30] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: cool.. i think thats a great place to start. cheers!
[19:30] <holstein> ubuntu-studio: let me know if you need someone to confirm a test case.. i'll be here
[19:31] <ubuntu-studio> holstein, thanks for help, I hope to find out what happened :) My name is unfa btw (I'm running U Studio 14.04 in LiveCD mode).
[19:48] <ubuntu-studio> Good Lord, the Audacity forums are the most unfriendly piece of phpBB I've ever met. With all the capcha and full moderation. I've asked my question about LADSPA support, if you want, try viewing it here: http://forum.audacityteam.org/posting.php?mode=post&f=57


 @mariogrip, 😀👍
[03:06] <ubptgbot> Cognifly was added by: Cognifly
 @JetPereira, How to arrange 3 icon in row on home scope?
 @abhishek_01, There was an entire section on that called "Ivan's questions"
 Let me find a link
 Fwd from vanyasem: https://youtu.be/PEgIKstkTQE?t=38m47s
 @UniversalSuperBox, Wow that's cute :3 i was asleep at the time of the Q&A, i guess i missed something :P
 Thank you ^.^
 Ivan the great!
 Can,t wait to see unity8 running on arch 😃
 @vanyasem, I joined late, i got the notification late, so i missed the entire section :P
 @abhishek_01, Last time
 Sound recorder error problem in
 [Edit] Sound recorder error problem in recording (16.04)
 WiFi automaticaly turning ON when enabling  data. Any one having this problem (16.04)
 You should report bugs to our bug tracker
 Posting them randomly in the chat doesn't help
 I did it for other error couple of days. But not showing up in search results (GitHub)
 [Edit] I did it for other error couple of days ago. But not showing up in search results (GitHub)
 Fwd from paletuco: just in case you don't  know this project https://twitter.com/konstatuomio/status/1013028622238732290 I'm not a professional developer so I don't konw if these could help the project or not....
 @paletuco, This is offtop and unrelated
 ok...
 Check @UBports_pi to learn why isn't this related to UT in any way
 https://t.me/UBports_pi/810
 I already knew that it seems that ubports and halium needs an android kernel and android drivers instead of a standard linux kernel. I was talking about the knowledge of konstakang project  even if it's not directly related wiht ubports and halium.  I apologize myseflf again it was offtopic and unrelated
 Ubuntu Touch doesn't need the Android kernel itself, it just needs it on many android devices that are not supported by mainline Linux. The raspberry Pi is supported by mainline, so no android kernel is needed there.
 @JBBgameich, I think I also already knew that. Perhaps Konstakang project is just another project not directly related  with UBPorts and halium. Perhaps they have other issues and problems https://twitter.com/scas/status/1013038410477514752 https://twitter.com/konstatuomio/status/1013048107502841856
 How to tag the error in GitHub
 Users can't tag
 @advocatux, I assume he asks how to create an issue
 Oh, maybe, but I've seen many people asking why they can't tag their issues
 They can ask me to do so ^.^
 I'm usually glad to help
 :)
 @JBBgameich, thanks for the anser
 @JBBgameich, [Edit] thanks for all the answers :)
 @JBBgameich, konstakang? Wat
 Welcome @Cognifly !!! Check this put for more about UBports https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 @Bolly, Thank you very much
[10:43] <ubptgbot> Green was added by: Green
 Welcome Green !!! Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Cognifly, youre welcome
 In How many days next rc update is available?
 @John_athan, Every week a new RC is out!
 Exact date?
 [Edit] Exact date? This week
 @John_athan, Idk... @mariogrip ?
 Shall I update through phone or ubports installer
 Just as info a frend of me from Belgium,  like to sell his Oneplus One, the device is into a verry good conditions not brake's or anything. He like to have 100 euro plus shipping cost for it. For other info you can contact me
 @John_athan, get a lower resolution device?
 Is there a way to force the new browser to serve up proper desktop pages, by default, instead of weird mobile pages? eg: Gmail, Reddit, etc.
 Bonus question: is the new browser unable to log into Facebook? I couldn't get it to log me in.
 Does the ubports installer need internet connection to install on a device?
 I suppose yes, am I right?
 @Pgcor, Yes he needs to download stuff
 Much stuff, or only some MB's ?
 Approx 400MB root file system, and a few MB device stuff
 Ooooook, thx 💪
 Ok its 603837392 bytes root fs xD
 @ronnietucker, the old browser in xenial has this feature, it doesn't seem to work in yhe new though
[14:09] <ubptgbot> f0rZzZ was added by: f0rZzZ
[14:10] <ubptgbot> Daien was added by: Daien
 Hello!
 Hi
 Hello everybody. I have such a problem: Nexus 4 (mako), I try to install Ubuntu through your application (Win 10x64) and just nothing happens. ADB drivers are installed. The phone is not detected at the beginning of the program, but when I manually select the model I want, I go to the next page, where I ask to enter the bootloader. B
[14:13] <ubptgbot> ut it is already active and there are no further actions from the program.
 Hope that the old device can be supported.
 @Daien, It is supported
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/lx3pvr86.png
 There are people in the welcome group to assist with UT installation: https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 Hi @f0rZzZ & Daien, welcome! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started :)
 @f0rZzZ please, come to the Install group where we can help you
 @advocatux, can u to give me link?
 :)
 Fwd from Ingo_FP_Angel: There are people in the welcome group to assist with UT installation: https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 @f0rZzZ ^
 @John_athan, Is your name Aravind or King?
 @wayneoutthere, Both, I am guessing. It is rather tiresome
 Yessir
 Any old phone can use? pls
 Not Nexus phone.
 @Daien, There is a list of supported devices
 Any random phone won't do
 why old though? I guess porting for at least relatively new device is better idea since more people can get it
 The older devices can run smoothly and represent better systems.
 New and old parallel.
 well, if you have 2 GB RAM or more, maybe
 but it needs to be ported anyway, so add development effort here
 What are the apps everyone uses the most on ubuntu touch?
 Is telegram workin on ubuntu touch?
 Did anyone experience this problem: I'm on 16.04/devel (2018-06-23/2) and when I check for updates, the updater app on the phone says there are updates. But then fails to download them with a "file not found" error complaining about a non-existent /android/cache/recovery.
 In fact, in /android/cache I only have a lost+found folder, nothing else.
 @Getrooted009, Yes - there is a client by the core team
 @unknown, When i install telegram last time it was not working
[16:47] <ubptgbot> DJKristy was added by: DJKristy
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/jxeK2imH.webp
 Telegram works for me
 @unknown, [Edit] When i installed telegram last time it was not working
 Does SoundCloud has any app for ubuntu touch?
 Or any 3rd party SoundCloud app for ubuntu touch?
 No their used to be a scope but after 16.04 scopes are in a weird not working place.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Scopes are fine
 Up
 (Sticker, 512x361) https://irc.ubports.com/Y11hn1Dv.webp
 @UniversalSuperBox, What
 But the SoundCloud API changed recently, it seems.
 Maybe scopes need to be recompiled for 16.04?
 Yes
 I remember seeing one of the scopes working, but it took ages to load, so I was unsure of what was happening with scopes
 There was a webapp
 Yes but I don't believe that worked in the background, unlike the scope
[16:56] <HelloBeer> Hello everyone ! I just read an article about ubuntu-phone. I have a samsung SM-G630FZ and I am interested in installing ubuntu on it. Does anyone already tried with this (kind of) model ? And is there a high probability that the installation fail ? because I cannot afford to not have a phone for too many days. Thanks
[17:07] <ubptgbot> theujjwalsingh was added by: theujjwalsingh
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Scopes don't work in background either
 @HelloBeer, It is not a currently supported device
 can we make some kind of bot to answer "can I install Ubuntu Touch on device X?"? :)
 (but this makes me wonder if there is a way to make it more compatible with "random Android phone")
 @NotKit, halium
 I know, but Halium requires quite a lot (being able to build custom kernel, patched minimal Android, etc)
 there could be made a custom version that e. g. sacrifices LXC container and AppArmor and patches upstart, but hard to say how feasiable would that be
 [Edit] there could be made a custom version that e. g. sacrifices LXC container and AppArmor and patches upstart, but hard to say how feasible would that be
 Is there a possibility to force synchronization contacts with google account via cli? I am not sure if synchro on my device fails or not.
[17:22] <HelloBeer> Oh ok, thanks
 @dohbee, I remember listening to SoundCloud in the background using the scope, I don't think I could close the scope, but I could use apps, and put the screen off and still listen
[17:36] <dhasenan> I'm trying to make an HTML5 clickable app, and my desktop is using Ubuntu 18.04. When I run `clickable --desktop`, I get an error: libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found  libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast. Anyone know how to fix this, or failing that, how I can directly access the
[17:37] <dhasenan> ...docker instance to investigate / fix?
 Please, stop. Thank you
[18:39] <ubptgbot> Patrick was added by: Patrick
 Hi @theujjwalsingh & Patrick, welcome!!! Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started !! There are  language focus groups too.
 Hey is ubports running on the Bq m10 FHD good? And Are the 2GB Ram enough?
 Yes it works pretty well on it
[19:43] <ubptgbot> asierurbi was added by: asierurbi
 hello all, i have a technical question, lets see if anyone can help me
 i have two nexus 5 with ubports installed
 i would like to create an image of one of them, and restore this image into the second device
 is it possible?
 which steps should i follow?
 thanks in advance ☺
 Yes its possible
 1) Install the second one as usual
 2) Boot into recovery on the source, and connect with usb
 adb pull the following 2 folders: /data/system-data and /data/user-data
 adb push those folders onto the target
 Depending on the data size this might take a while
 great @Flohack
 thank you very much!
[19:54] <t-ask> Hi, I'm about to flash my Nexus 5 mist ubports. is 16.04/devel ok to use? Or better rc?
[19:55] <t-ask> or better said is devel or rc a rolling release?
 @t-ask, RC is a little bit more conservative option than devel, but close enough. About if it's OK or not it depends of what you're going to use your phone for
 @t-ask, [Edit] RC is a little bit more conservative option than devel, but close enough. About if it's OK or not it depends on what you're going to use your phone for
[20:02] <t-ask> advocatux: Well, as Arch user I thought it might be ok using the 16.xx one even if not everything is working 100%. Otherwise I expect that devel or rc should be fairly close to stable
[20:02] <t-ask> I wonder why it is 16... is it a version from 2016?
 It's a LTS release
 It's supported until April, 2021
[20:04] <t-ask> I see, but there is no image of this year? Or do I just don't need it? (ubports installer)
 I don't know what exactly you mean, sorry. Xenial (16.04) is the current image for this year, so to speak
[20:06] <t-ask> oh, I found the FAQ
 This is a necessary and easier step to try to go to 18.04 eventuallly
 Right, it's better explain there lol
 [Edit] Right, it's better explained there lol
[20:16] <t-ask> To use it with a display I need a USB/HDMI cable?
 i have another problem :S
 i have installed ubports 15.04 rc
 installed dekko 2 0.1.5 and the main inbox does not contain the inbox emails of my mail account
 i installed dekko 2 0.1.6, that on the other phone i have worked as solution
 but now it does not 😭
 i am using nexus 5 phone
 any idea of what could i do to solve this issue?
 thanks as always :D
 @t-ask, Ubuntu as such does not have rolling releases, but our OTAs will update certain things from time to time
 How can I change the hostname of a ubuntu-phone? Editing the etc/hostname is the easiest way, but how does it work in terminal?
 $ sudo hostnamectl set-hostname NEW_HOSTNAME
 Does not work?
 Also congrats the group is now 1,600 members!
 @asierurbi, you will find your today's messages below, in the "intelligent folder", if you marked that and all in the folder below, which should have the name which you gave your account. The general inbox does not work
 hi I just installed ubports rc 4 frieza and made the system writable to install some packages, but I´m getting this error about not having space. … E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. … Does someone have a clue?
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[10:27] <Fudge> it sure is neet
[10:32] <Engimal> Hello, could I have some help? :)
[10:53] <mirror> Hello! I have a problem on fresh install of Lubuntu 14.04. It's about my wireless hidden network. now when i create wireless network it shows it on the list it finds it and connects to it but cannot use any network tools and says cannot connect to internet etc
[10:54] <mirror> does anybody have any ideas how to solve this?
[10:56] <hateball> iirc network-manager cant handle hidden networks properly
[11:01] <mirror> aha will there be a fix or i should make a report to the Lubuntu
[11:03] <mirror> thank you for your time will report it to lubuntu
[13:41] <pese> anyone know what time 14.10 final is being released?
[13:47] <zy3pD> is 14.10 already released?
[14:00] <pese> not last I checked
[14:02] <pese> seems released now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/utopic/release/lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:04] <pese> torrent: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[14:09] <zy3pD> thx pese ... really hidden link. i only found betas (also on lubuntu.net)
[15:47] <Ahmuck> 14.10 out today?
[16:10] <sheena1> My laptop keeps suspending/powering down on inactivity, and I can't find a setting to fix that. Lubuntu 14.04, any ideas?
[16:11] <Ahmuck> yes.  change the power setting
[16:12] <Ahmuck> Menu --> Preferences --> Power Manager
[16:12] <sheena1> where is this setting? i have tried changing the setting in Preferences - Power Manager (brings up XFCE Power Manager Settings) and all is set to NEVER but it still suspends
[16:13] <Ahmuck> is it the computer going into suspend or the monitor blanking?
[16:14] <sheena1> it goes blank and comes up with the lock login sreen when i use the keyboard/mouse to resume it.. but the problem is that it suspends my uploads so i cannot leave it running to upload while i'm away from it.
[16:15] <Ahmuck> on power or on battery?
[16:15] <sheena1> both.
[16:19] <Ahmuck> So ... you have under AC and On Battery ... Actions --> BAttery Power is Critical = Nothing, When laptop lid is closed = Nothing, Put the computer to sleep when inactive for: = Never, Monitor: Put display to sleep when computer is inactive for: Never, Switch off dispaly when computer is inactive for" = Never, Extended: Set computer activity mode: Set monitor sleep mode, Lock screen when going for suspend/hibernate
[16:20] <Ahmuck> if it were me and i was trying to retain power i would set everything to never.  if it continued to do the same thing than it is not a setting in the power manager
[16:20] <sheena1> I have Battery power is critical - suspend
[16:21] <Ahmuck> i wonder if you need to check the extended settings
[16:21] <sheena1> I have set everything to never now, will see if it makes a difference
[16:21] <sheena1> set inactivity sleep mode is suspend, it's my only option
[16:21] <sheena1> monitor sleep mode has standby and suspend, its set to stantby
[16:21] <sheena1> low power is set at 10%
[16:21] <sheena1> lock screen is unchecked
[16:22] <Ahmuck> my power monitor shouts critical at me when i have 1 hour left on my battery time.  my batter time is 3.75 hours at a time
[16:22] <Ahmuck> you might uncheck prefer power savings over performance
[16:22] <sheena1> i almost never run on battery
[16:22] <tumbler> hi guys
[16:22] <sheena1> do you know where to change brightness settings, by the way? i cant fifure that out either :(
[16:23] <Ahmuck> i guess the point i am trying to make is ... set things so that there is no option to suspend and see if you are getting the suspension issue then.
[16:23] <sheena1> will do
[16:23] <Ahmuck> brightness settings in that it powers down the display brightness after a while?
[16:24] <tumbler> how can i add a personal menu on mouse riht when i click on desktop???
[16:24] <Ahmuck> tumbler, describe?  a personal menu on the mouse?
[16:24] <sheena1> no, that i can set it to be less bright when it's dark in my room, and as bright as normal when its daylight
[16:24] <Ahmuck> most laptops have function keys that will do that
[16:24] <tumbler> like openbox
[16:25] <tumbler> or fluxbox
[16:25] <Ahmuck> sheena1, you might look at light locking option on preferences as well
[16:26] <Ahmuck> tumbler, u might need a different panel.
[16:26] <tumbler> for exemple?
[16:27] <tumbler> couldn't i set a shortcut key?
[16:28] <Ahmuck> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1653987
[16:28] <sheena1> disable lightlocker?
[16:28] <sheena1> Ahmuck: this is for the suspend issue, not the brightness, right?
[16:28] <Ahmuck> tumbler, i would search for "use openbox desktop menu on lubuntu".
[16:29] <Ahmuck> light locker is for your suspend issue
[16:30] <sheena1> ok. i have disabled it. will see if it helps
[16:30] <sheena1> any idea on brightness adjust?
[16:30] <Ahmuck> my observation of lxde (which is what ubuntu is based upon) is it is a conglomerate of programs used to create a desktop.  this is why you have xfce power manager in lxde (amongst other things)
[16:31] <sheena1> right, that makes sense.
[16:31] <Ahmuck> http://askubuntu.com/questions/490068/how-to-adjust-brightness-on-lubuntu
[16:32] <phillw> we did not re-invent the wheel, xcfe power manager works well and is maintained :)
[16:32] <Ahmuck> iirc light locker is a new member to the family.  this may mean you have more than one program trying to control the settings (maybe).
[16:32] <Ahmuck> i found this out the hard way with language
[16:33] <phillw> you may find it is a BIOS / acpi issue. I can use my Fn keys for brightness.
[16:34] <sheena1> phillw: any idea how to check or fix it?
[16:34] <ianorlin> or you could install xbacklight to change brightness to work around
[16:34] <ianorlin> then you can set it to  specific level rather than just changing it
[16:34] <ianorlin> read the man page for more info on how to do it
[16:34] <phillw> +1
[16:34] <sheena1> http://pastebin.com/cuzzVvdu
[16:34] <ianorlin> and xbacklight is added to 14.10 by default
[16:35] <sheena1> ianorlin: when is the upgrade available?
[16:35] <ianorlin> not quite sure
[16:35] <ianorlin> you can still install it on trusty
[16:35] <Ahmuck> the link i just gave you gives you a link to xbacklight
[16:35] <phillw> sheena1: very soon, mirrors are being updated
[16:35] <Ahmuck> 14.10 is available today
[16:36] <Ahmuck> er, now
[16:36] <phillw> Ahmuck: not yet :)
[16:36] <sheena1> xbacklight doesnt seem to have any effect
[16:36] <Ahmuck> i just downloaded 14.10
[16:37] <phillw> Ahmuck: you downloaded the Release Candidate.
[16:37] <sheena1> $ xbacklight -get                  gives me             0.000000
[16:37] <Ahmuck> that is not what the description indicates
[16:37] <ianorlin> it should be xbaclkight -set
[16:37] <Ahmuck> the description is lubntu-14.10-alternate-i386.iso
[16:37] <sheena1> i tried set and it did nothing
[16:38] <sheena1> -get should tell me the current brightness, says the man file
[16:38] <phillw> Ahmuck: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[16:38] <Ahmuck> currently with 1 or 2 peers
[16:38] <Ahmuck> on the torrent, faster if you go direct.
[16:38] <Ahmuck> here, let me get a link
[16:39] <phillw> Ahmuck: it is not released, get as many links as you want :D
[16:39] <Ahmuck> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/
[16:39] <phillw> people love to jump the gun...
[16:39] <Ahmuck> *shrugs* it downloaded or your descriptions are wrong
[16:39] <Ahmuck> on the website
[16:40] <Ahmuck> oops, i see
[16:40] <Ahmuck> is release = release canidate or release
[16:40] <phillw> Mirrors are being synced. until that happens release is not live.
[16:41] <Ahmuck> why did it download then?
[16:42] <phillw> as soon as mirrors sync'd should be good to go :) But, until the release team make the announcement it is not released. e.g. kubuntu was only marked as ready an hour or so ago.
[16:42] <phillw> ubuntu shortly after that.
[16:43] <Ahmuck> so the description for the iso i downloaded is wrong?
[16:43] <Ahmuck> cause i'm installing it now and i will now in about 10 min
[16:44] <phillw> if from cdimages, you *should* be fine.
[16:45] <Ahmuck> what is the difference?
[16:45] <phillw> as soon as we get the okay, all the wiki pages can be invoked.
[16:45] <Ahmuck> are you saying it is not available via download button on the wiki until u get the ok?
[16:45] <phillw> Ahmuck: the mirrors across the globe need syncing
[16:46] <phillw> Ahmuck: indeed, that page is Release+1 :)
[16:46] <Ahmuck> msg ?
[16:47] <phillw> Ahmuck: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO#At_Release
[16:47] <Ahmuck> phillw, pm
[16:47] <phillw> sure
[16:50] <garbonzo> hi all
[16:50] <Gl4di4t0r> Version 14.10 doesn't work in Virtualbox :(
[16:51] <garbonzo> please can someone advise on a laptop not rebooting properly in lubuntu?
[16:51] <phillw> Gl4di4t0r: that should be fixed, let me go find the bug.
[16:53] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, ping
[16:53] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, explain further
[16:53] <Ahmuck> Gl4di4t0r, it is working in VB
[16:53] <garbonzo> hi ahmuck. it's an ancient toughbook cf-18, graphics driver i915
[16:53] <garbonzo> when i reboot it does the shutdown part properly, just doesn't restart
[16:54] <phillw> Gl4di4t0r: bug 1380005
[16:54] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, version?
[16:54] <Gl4di4t0r> I rest my case ;)
[16:54] <garbonzo> 14.04
[16:55] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, upgrading an option?
[16:56] <garbonzo> to 14.10 or a new laptop? :-)
[16:56] <Ahmuck> to 14.10 :)
[16:56] <garbonzo> could do i suppose
[16:56] <garbonzo> what's the distro upgrade command again? getting old ;-)
[16:56] <Ahmuck> sometimes I found rather than fighting a problem trying the newer release will fix something
[16:57] <garbonzo> very true
[16:57] <Ahmuck> granted, it sometimes breaks things as well
[16:57] <garbonzo> that's half the fun
[16:58] <phillw> garbonzo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Upgrading_from_last_release :)
[16:59] <phillw> just waiting for the fat lady to sing :D
[17:00] <garbonzo> right, here goes nuffink. will see you all on the other side of the distro upgrade!
[17:04] <Ahmuck> is there a reset to defaults options on xfce power manager?
[17:04] <Ahmuck> or for that mattter, any program?
[17:05] <sheena1> syntax in bash... i have a txt file that is a list of links i want to open in firefox..
[17:05] <sheena1> for i in test2.txt; do firefox i
[17:05] <sheena1> that is wrong obivously
[17:06] <sheena1> cause it just opens 'i' lol
[17:14] <garbonzo> no joy...
[17:15] <garbonzo> ...when's 14.10 out please?
[17:16] <genii> Sometime later today
[17:16] <garbonzo> excellent
[17:16] <phillw>  And... we're live!!!
[17:16] <garbonzo> wow, that's it ready then?
[17:17] <phillw> yup
[17:17] <garbonzo> congrats, well done and all that
[17:17] <phillw> just doing the housework
[17:17] <Ahmuck> heh, already have it installed
[17:17] <Ahmuck> :p
[17:26] <Ahmuck> has lubuntu always installed humanity-icon-theme?
[17:28] <zy3pD> think so
[17:30] <zy3pD> when i wake up my pc, nm-applet says that network is deactivated, but service networking is running, how to solve it?
[17:31] <Ahmuck> odd, i'm on the same release and i often move between sections of town and never have to re-activate my network, it's like i never left
[17:31] <Ahmuck> zy3pD, version?
[17:32] <zy3pD> Ahmuck, 14.04
[17:32] <Ahmuck> the network service is running though?
[17:34] <Ahmuck> ghost message?  after coming out of suspend the message still gets sent?
[17:34] <Ahmuck> bbl, checking snail mail
[17:39] <phillw> can some one idiot check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for me. had to add in 14.04 LTS !!
[17:45] <garbonzo> defo showing the 14.10 page version
[17:46] <garbonzo> how long before software updater picks it up, assuming i've set it to notify immediately?
[17:58] <phillw> update notifier usually trips in the early hours as a job. you can manually ask for an update
[17:59] <phillw> garbonzo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Upgrading_from_last_release
[17:59] <Ahmuck> 14.10 is running in Vbox as I type
[17:59] <garbonzo> yup, i did the cli command and it returned that no new release was available
[18:00] <phillw> Ahmuck: it was fixed, I chased the failure in virt-manager (KVM)
[18:00] <phillw> garbonzo: then things have not fully filtered through yet. be patient :)
[18:01] <garbonzo> what is this "patient" of which you speak? :-)
[18:01] <Ahmuck> does not appear to be anything new
[18:01] <Ahmuck> something i would like to see, is software selection upon install
[18:01] <Ahmuck> for example, i dump abiword and gnumeric in favor of libreoffice
[18:02] <joppe> what if you uninstall them, it says remove lubuntu-desktop
[18:02] <joppe> what then happens, i dont know
[18:02] <garbonzo> would be great to have that as a software preferences profile on a usb stick...
[18:03] <Ahmuck> i do anyway
[18:03] <Ahmuck> joppe,
[18:03] <joppe> yes
[18:04] <Ahmuck> garbonzo, software preferences as in software selection preferences or software config preferences and data?
[18:09] <Ahmuck> x /home/user/.config
[18:09] <garbonzo> more the software selection... would be good to always have, for example, focuswriter, geany, xchat, build-essentials...
[18:09] <Ahmuck> x /home/user/.local
[18:09] <Ahmuck> upon installation
[18:10] <Ahmuck> i have a script that i run that purges "junk" and installs my "stuff"
[18:10] <Ahmuck> after install
[18:10] <Ahmuck> but having it pre install would be nice
[18:12] <Ahmuck> something i would like to see and am hoping to instigate is a more standards compliant distro.  be it via modification scripts or otherwise.  you would have a script for each program (ie firefox) that would put the configs in /home/user/.config, the data in /home/user/.local/app, user icons in /home/user/.icons, etc.
[18:12] <Ahmuck> as well as system wide configs in system wide config directories according to accepted standards
[18:14] <garbonzo> cool
[18:15] <Ahmuck> software really needs more transparency and configurability in these areas by putting the configs and data back into the hands of the user where they can find them easily
[18:18] <joppe> well my question is, if i remove some programs it says remove lubuntu-desktop, what it means?
[18:23] <Ahmuck> i've done it without problems
[18:24] <Ahmuck> which is not to say you might have problems, simply i've always done it without problems
[18:24] <joppe> so ican remove transmission, because im usin qbittorrent, its safe?
[18:27] <Ahmuck> like i said, it did not change anything for me.  are you familiar with aptitude?  i use aptitude to see what it removes.
[18:27] <joppe> well i remove via command line and bleachbit does rest :)
[18:31] <Ahmuck> i wish i had something like that to set configuration for major programs
[20:09] <Gamara_> Hello, I have this screen popping up before booting on a macbook 1,1 (Tech specs here: http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook_2.0_white.html ), the error message is here: http://i.imgur.com/Mst8esn.jpg?1 , http://i.imgur.com/4uNGE2C.jpg?1 is this anything I should be concerned about? I have had one hard freeze since using this operating system.
[20:09] <Gamara_> I'm running lubuntu 14.04.1
[20:10] <silverlion> Gamara_ : you might want to talk to wxl
[20:10] <wxl> someone needs mac help?
[20:10] <silverlion> he is our mac expert ;)
[20:11] <Gamara_> yeah I was just curious about this error message I'm getting at boot would you like to repost the information?
[20:11] <Gamara_> like me*
[20:11] <wxl> i see
[20:12] <wxl> i wouldn't be too concerned Gamara_
[20:12] <wxl> which version Gamara_ ?
[20:12] <Gamara_> lubuntu 14.04.1
[20:12] <Gamara_> is what I'm currently usng
[20:12] <Gamara_> using*
[20:13] <wxl> Gamara_: when the freeze happened did you run out of resources? could you get to a virtual terminal?
[20:13] <Gamara_> I didn't try
[20:14] <Gamara_> The laptop currently has 2gb of ram
[20:14] <Gamara_> not 512
[20:14] <Gamara_> I just hard reset it I really should learn how to shut it down properly on hard freeze
[20:16] <wxl> Gamara_: you should monitor whether or not you're running out of cpu or ram. you should also watch temperatures and see if that's the problem. if you do get a freeze, you should try using virtual terminals and/or ssh to see if the machine is still alive. if it is, restarting the lightdm service should get you a working gui again. at that point, you should check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors. might be a driver issue.
[20:16] <wxl> Gamara_: if you can narrow it down to a particular problem, then you can run ubuntu-bug against it. might want to see if /var/log/syslog or dmesg has any errors in it. that may help.
[20:17] <Gamara_> how do I do this sorry I'm pretty noob with ubuntu/lubuntu
[20:18] <wxl> Gamara_: you can use indicators in lxpanel to tell you about cpu and ram and temperature
[20:18] <Gamara_> and thank you for the help it is much appreciated
[20:19] <wxl> Gamara_: virtual terminals can be accessed typically with ctrl-alt-f1. i think on mac that's ctrl-fn-command-f1 or something of the sort. you have to play around with it
[20:19] <Gamara_> alright I will try it out
[20:20] <wxl> Gamara_: these terminals exists outside the graphical context so if you CAN get a working terminal, you have a problem with the GUI
[20:20] <wxl> Gamara_: that's usually a driver problem
[20:20] <Gamara_> it is ctrl-alt-fn-f1
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: as a general rule, everything logs to /var/log
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: syslog and dmesg cover general system issues
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: Xorg.0.log is specifically about the x server (the gui)
[20:21] <wxl> Gamara_: you also might look in /var/crash
[20:21] <Gamara_> alright what command do I use to exit virtual terminal
[20:22] <wxl> Gamara_: go to virtual terminal 7
[20:22] <wxl> Gamara_: note that if you are maxing out your cpu, your temperatures will usually go up and in the case of a laptop, this often means a total freeze and/or hard shutdown
[20:23] <Gamara_> what do you suggest the best widget/application for monitoring temperature is?
[20:23] <wxl> Gamara_: if you max out ram you can either get the out of memory killer (apparently) randomly shutting down processes or you can get what seems like a total freeze
[20:23] <wxl> Gamara_: whatever's in lxpanel is usually sufficient
[20:23] <Gamara_> alright thanks
[20:24] <wxl> Gamara_: also the task manager can give you a good sense of things
[20:29] <Gamara_> alright so look at, /var/crash, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, dmesg for errors after a hard freeze or right now? If I narrow it down I can post it to ubuntu bug report or whatever its called
[20:30] <wxl> Gamara_: yes. if you need help with interpreting them, let us know. and the tool is "ubuntu-bug"
[20:30] <wxl> !bugs | Gamara_
[20:30] <wxl> i wonder
[20:30] <wxl> !logs
[20:30] <wxl> no no
[20:31] <wxl> !logfiles
[20:31] <wxl> nope
[20:31] <wxl> !log
[20:31] <wxl> bah
[20:31] <wxl> here Gamara_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles
[20:31] <Gamara_> ok ok thanks
[20:31] <phillw> ha ha
[20:35] <Gamara_> I turned on the lxpanel temperature monitor and im getting -273 C lol
[21:11] <Gamara_> ok my computer is being weird mouse moves around but is stuck as a hand gripped, I cant click on anything
[21:12] <Gamara_> this all happened after try to drag a file out of extractor or whatever that app is called
[21:12] <Gamara_> I cant click anything and the keyboard doesnt seem to be working
[21:12] <Gamara_> how do I shut down my computer from virtual terminal
[21:12] <Gamara_> on 14.04
[21:14] <phillw> Gamara_: get a terminal session running https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:14] <Gamara_> nvm im dumb
[21:14] <Gamara_> fixed it
[21:14] <phillw> kk :)
[21:14] <Gamara_> ty though
[22:02] <honestemu> I have 4 workspaces. I click CTRL+ALT+<- or CTRL+ALT+-> to switch to an adjacent workspace. How do I jump to a specific workspace?
[22:34] <dust> hi
[22:35] <LinusTorvaldII> hows it goin dust
[22:35] <dust> any idea why it isnt possible to receive files here in irc with pidgin?
[22:36] <dust> after a working upgrade always better :D
[23:53] <garbonzo> took over an hour on this old clunker, but now running the new release. Thanks devs!


[01:38] <vorian> !info kdebase
[01:38] <vorian> !info kdebase intrepid
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> lolwut?
[01:39] <vorian> heh
[01:39] <vorian> i thought it had the link to the source page
[01:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[01:41] <vorian> dep wait
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, saw
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, and screw my link too
[01:41] <vorian> :P
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> so is dep wait anything to 'OMG, OHNOZ!" over or will it correct itself?
[01:42] <vorian> by tomorrow / me thinks
[01:42] <vorian> i am waiting on kde4libs to finish frist
[01:42] <vorian> then extragear will be off
[01:52] <vorian> !info kfax
[01:53] <vorian> !info kfax-kde4
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the kde4 stuff was supposed to get onto the betas wasn't it?
[02:09] <vorian> !info kiconedit-kde4
[02:10] <vorian> bleh
[02:10] <vorian> hi Hobbsee :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hey vorian!
[02:10] <vorian> how's things
[02:12] <Hobbsee> pretty good
[02:12] <Hobbsee> been doing some universe-y bits recently, which is fun
[02:12] <vorian> :)
[02:13] <vorian> i'm happy i never have to worry about uni stuff again
[02:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've done 2 of those assignments so far.  got the big one to go.
[02:14] <vorian> i hope it goes well for you then :)
[02:14]  * Hobbsee notes that the people on kubuntu-users haven't got smarter
[02:14] <Hobbsee> or at least, the new users.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> right.  listadmin done.
[02:16] <vorian> :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: when are you going to fix 271779?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> or should someoen else do it?
[02:20]  * Hobbsee looks at it
[02:20]  * Hobbsee tries to remember how to do this
[02:46]  * Hobbsee beats kde4 around the head.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> right.  i win.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> note to self:  don't try building kde4 on a hardy system.
[02:50] <vorian> :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> right.  fixed.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  did soyuz eat my upload?
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> OM NOM NOM NOM
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah, there we are.  it's come thru
[03:02] <Hobbsee> oh, *drat*
[03:03] <Hobbsee> I knew i didn't want to upload this.  What I actually wanted to do was to pass the diff off to someone else, make *them* sign it, and upload it.
[03:03] <vorian> O.o
[03:04] <Hobbsee> OTOH, i could just accept my own upload, and be done with it.
[03:04] <vorian> is it in main?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:04] <vorian> shucks
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh, screw it.  there are no other main people around that i've seen for a while.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and no other release team people.
[03:05] <vorian> :(
[03:05] <vorian> poor Hobbsee
[03:06]  * vorian gives Hobbsee a power drink
[03:06]  * Hobbsee pushes the big red button
[03:06]  * Hobbsee bounces off the walls
[03:07] <vorian> Hobbsee: can you look at the 9 extragear packages i just uploaded :)
[03:07] <vorian> (with sugar on top)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> right.  one more milestoned bug knocked off the list.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> vorian: do they need the other KDE bits to build?
[03:09] <vorian> just libs
[03:09] <vorian> hold a sec
[03:09] <vorian> oh
[03:09] <vorian> still two arc's building
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oh, we've already accepted parts of the new KDE.  that must be good enough, then.
[03:09] <vorian> ia64/hppa
[03:10] <Hobbsee> meh.  do we care?
[03:10] <vorian> :D
[03:10] <vorian> YES!
[03:10]  * vorian runs
[03:10]  * Hobbsee accepts utils and toys
[03:10] <Hobbsee> er, not toys.  pimlibs.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> vorian: mass-accepted.
[03:14] <vorian> thank ye Hobbsee
[03:14] <Hobbsee> vorian: now, i need to go kdebase-runtime, kdepimlibs, then everything else, don't i?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> for everything to build properly?
[03:14] <vorian> yes
[03:14] <Hobbsee> which means...3 publisher cycles, i guess.  darn.
[08:28] <Arby> morning all
[11:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks for taking care of it.  That one was on my list for after I got back from vacation which was just ~12 hours ago.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: no problem :)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: as a bonus, that got uploaded before most of the new kde4 got accepted :P
[11:23] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:20] <jjesse> anyone know if there is a kde4 port of keep ?
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> I don't think anything has been relesed, but I think there is one in the works
[13:21] <jjesse> oh
[13:21] <jjesse> ok just saw over the weekend a stack of keep bugs
[13:21] <jjesse> and didn't know if there was any work going on w/ keep or not
[13:24] <Riddell> jjesse: no there's not
[13:24] <Riddell> not that I know of
[13:24] <jjesse> hrm ok so what should we do about bugs being reported against keep?
[14:22] <rgreening> Riddell: any chance on bumping desktop-effects-kde (fix bug #219729). Needs dep on kdesudo. You should have debdiff from me (If not I can resend). ty.
[14:24] <jjesse> good monring everyone
[14:24] <Riddell> rgreening: onto it
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: cool. I'm just going through all the packages I have touched trying to close off some bugs. Much appreciated.
[14:25] <rgreening> morning jjesse
[14:26] <Riddell> how does this read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu#preview
[14:27] <jjesse> reading right now
[14:27] <Riddell> I still have no idea how to attach images to the wiki
[14:28] <jjesse> you reference upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 is that correct?
[14:33] <Riddell> rgreening: done
[14:33] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[14:36] <rgreening> Riddell: cool
[14:38] <Riddell> rgreening: since you did such a great job last time, qt 4.4.3 is out :)
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: on the wiki, should you make a big note about KDE3.5 vs KDE4 as some people may not realize you cannot have KDE4.5 in Intrepid
[14:39] <Riddell> rgreening: yes, we should do that in the release notes too
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: I saw the announce. np in packaging (nothing changed - only update to leagalese as they changed to Nokia from Trolltech).
[14:40] <Riddell> rgreening: the debian/copyright file needs updated, it should be taken from Debian (hi fabo)
[14:41] <Riddell> qt 3.3.9 too
[14:42] <rgreening> Riddell: how do I go about updating older Hardy package from within Intrepid? pbuilder?
[14:42] <Riddell> rgreening: like what?
[14:43] <rgreening> was qt 3.3.9 your referred to in Hardy or Intrepid?
[14:43] <Riddell> intrepid
[14:43] <rgreening> oh.. nm then
[14:43] <rgreening> :)
[14:43] <rgreening> I'll look at both shortly.
[14:43]  * rgreening waiting for Oct 2 to arrive...
[14:44]  * rgreening sings "I wish they all could be California..."
[14:48] <jjesse> rgreening what is october 2 again?
[14:50] <rgreening> announce UDS people selected for Decembers summit
[14:50] <jjesse> ah well hopefully you can go then :)
[14:51]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[14:52] <Hobbsee> they eat people
[14:52] <Hobbsee> and try to throw them in pools.
[14:52] <jjesse> at UDS?
[14:53] <rgreening> Hmm.. I think I'll be the eator and not an eatee (6'7" and 289 lbs)
[14:53] <rgreening> mmm.. <munch...munch>
[14:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[15:00] <ScottK> I'm not planning on going this time.  The new sponsorship model doesn't appeal to me.
[15:01] <rgreening> ScottK: how so?
[15:01] <rgreening> just curious
[15:02] <ScottK> It used to be that you got sponsored (as I understood it) based on your contribution and a perception that your attending would be a good thing.
[15:02] <ScottK> Now you have to go to Brainstorm and find some idea to champion.
[15:02] <ScottK> If I'm going to take a week off of work to do 'work' for no pay, it'll be about what I'm interested in, not someone else.
[15:03] <rgreening> ScottK: I believe you can generate new brainstorms as well (I did for one)
[15:03] <ScottK> True.
[15:04]  * Hobbsee did, but didn't think it was appropriate for brainstorm.
[15:04] <rgreening> and there were lot's of ideas, which did happen to cross paths with my interest
[15:04] <Hobbsee> i presume you can delete ideas later, or something.
[15:04] <ScottK> I've been to part or all of the last two and really had no idea what'd be useful for me to spend time on until after I was there.
[15:05] <ScottK> It's been a while since I looked, but I did give it a detailed look once and really didn't find any ideas that made me jump up and want to work on them.
[15:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you can find ideas nominated for brainstorm?
[15:05] <Hobbsee> er, brainstorm ideas nominated for UDS?
[15:05] <ScottK> Dunno.
[15:05] <rgreening> I know for me, I want to start filling out the holes left by removing KDE3.5 (like re-integrate wine, I need my favorites applet back, etc)
[15:07] <ScottK> My wants tend to be pretty diverse.  In Prague I split my time pretty evenly between Kubuntu, Server, and Platform issues.
[15:07] <ScottK> Plus some Community/QA stuff too.
[15:07] <jjesse> in boston i spent most of my time in the server team
[15:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you were lucky.  I got stuck with IRC rubbish.
[15:07] <jjesse> hopefully in mountain veiw there will be more kubuntu related stuff
[15:08] <ScottK> Hobbsee: That's where not being involved in IRC team stuff at all pays off.
[15:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's true.
[15:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: now, if only it were possible to keep ops, and not be involved in the IRC team entirely....
[15:09] <rgreening> yeah, I think Kubuntu is still behind in terms of features/integration. When something gets resolved in Gnome from Brainstorm, it doesn't seem to filter back for us to keep up. We need some sort of notification that feature x is in Gnome, and should be earmarked for KDE so we can work on it (when appropriate)
[15:10] <rgreening> like Guest Account integration into gdm.. should have had an opportunity to look at this for kdm as well as it's listed as an Intrepid feature
[15:11] <rgreening> no parity there
[15:11] <rgreening> That's what I'd like to help with for Jaunty. Try and keep some feature parity between the two where it makes sense.
[15:13] <ScottK> That was one of the targets for Hardy and some good stuff got done.  Just need to do it again.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> and gutsy, iirc.
[15:14] <jjesse> how close have we gotten in intrepid?
[15:17] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like debian qt4-4.4.2-2 re-sync'd qt-copy patches. I'll update in the 4.4.3 bump so users have a real reason to dl 4.4.3 :)
[15:22] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like some other patch changes. Will re-sync with debian on those as well for the qt4 bump.
[15:27] <rgreening> Riddell: copyright file from 4.4.2 debian and ubuntu are exactly same. am I looking at the right thing?
[15:28] <Riddell> rgreening: we want 4.4.3
[15:28] <rgreening> debian doesn't have a 4.4.3 (that I can see)
[15:29] <Riddell> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11/debian/copyright?rev=12291&view=auto
[15:31] <rgreening> color me uninformed :)
[15:31] <rgreening> ty
[15:32]  * rgreening busily bookmarks that site...
[16:09] <rgreening> Riddell: in updating the qt from debian, noticed that "Standards-Version: 3.8.0" but ours is 3.7.3. Should that get bumped? When is it appropriate to bump?
[16:10] <Riddell> post feature freeze I make as few changes as necessary
[16:21] <ScottK> rgreening: The Ubuntu Policy specifically calls out bumping standards version from Debian as something not to bother to do.
[16:21] <rgreening> ok. cool
[16:22] <rgreening> Riddell: do you not want me to re-sync the missing qt-copy fixes?
[16:25] <rgreening> Riddell: or was the comment about the standards ver?
[16:35] <Riddell> rgreening: it was about the standards version, I wouldn't do qt-copy updates for the same reason but others would (less to sync later)
[16:35] <Riddell> so I leave it to your discretion :)
[16:36] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll build/test them. verify safe and working. I'll also review them to see if I see any potential for bombs. If not, I'll sync up the patches. I'll have a [very] detailed changelog.
[16:37] <davmor2> Riddell: why is the first thing you're greeted with on Kubuntu Incomplete Language Support ?
[16:46] <Riddell> davmor2: we aim to be friendly
[17:05] <davmor2> Guys is there meant to be no maximise button on Konqueror?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> that's not normal
[17:07] <Riddell> davmor2: no, that's a bug
[17:08] <gribelu> i have them..
[17:08] <gribelu> the buttons that is
[17:09] <gribelu> maybe there's something configured in the window settings thing?
[17:10] <davmor2> www.davmor2.co.uk/konq.png
[17:11] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[17:40] <rgreening> Riddell/apachelogger: can you look here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/52136/ ... some warnings building qt4.4.3. just wondering if I should be worried and what to correct/ignore. ty.
[17:48] <smarter> rgreening: first one means that you should bump the Standards-Version in debian/control from 3.7.3 to 3.8.0
[17:48] <smarter> and adds something like "debian/control: - Bumped Standards-Version to 3.8.0, no further changes needed" to the changelog
[17:51] <davmor2> Riddell: kde3 apps have no docs under help now is this known?
[17:53] <davmor2> like K3B help->K3B handbook come up with Could not launch help centre
[17:54] <smarter> davmor2: the line about libcupsys2-dev means you should change the dep to libcups2-dev, since the other one is just a transitional package
[17:54] <stdin> ^ looks like khelpcenter isn't installed then
[17:55] <smarter> davmor2: does it work for kde4 apps?
[17:56] <smarter> davmor2: I'm not too sure about stronger-dependency-implies-weaker, since I don't see where libqt4-dev suggests them
[17:56] <davmor2> smarter: libcups2-dev what, what?
[17:57] <smarter> davmor2: huh sorry, wrong person :P
[17:57] <davmor2> phew
[17:57] <smarter> s/davmor2/rgreening/
[17:58] <stdin> smarter: try running "lintain -i qt4-x11_4.4.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes", it should print more info iirc
[17:58] <stdin> erm rgreening :p
[17:58] <smarter> :)
[17:59]  * stdin gets coffee and cold medicine
[18:08] <Riddell> davmor2: mm, docs are somewhere on my todo list
[18:08] <davmor2> beta dude ;)
[18:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should just drop the html dir defintion from kde4.mk
[18:22] <apachelogger> currentl it uses /usr/share/docs/kde4/HTML IIRC
[19:24] <rgreening> smarter: thanks. I'll fix the control file.
[19:40] <davmor2> the simple calculator plasmoid should it be able to handle the following correctly 147*244-35868 the answer should be 0 but it gives me -5,000,000 or number to that effect
[19:41] <rgreening> Riddell: I messed up the desktop-effects-kde debdiff. re-sending new one. FTBS cause I forgot a ',' before kdesudo in the depends. Doh!
[20:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please look at the upstream task for bug #273018.  I don't think having a kdpf bug is really useful for something we want fixed in Okular.
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I left a comment on the upstream bug asking it to be reassigned to Okular
[20:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Thanks.
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> yw
[20:24] <tsdgeos> is jonathan thomas around?
[20:24] <tsdgeos> JontheEchidna: that would be you?
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[20:25] <tsdgeos> i was wondering why did you change status of bug #113191 from unconfirmed to new
[20:25] <tsdgeos> nah
[20:25] <tsdgeos> not launchpad bug you ugly bot
[20:25] <tsdgeos> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113191
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 113191
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> well, the feature isn't there, is it?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> so?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> are you going to manage my bugs now?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> are you going to implement it?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> sorry
[20:26] <tsdgeos> please NEVER touch the status of a bug
[20:26] <tsdgeos> unless you have the OK from the developer
[20:26] <tsdgeos> this is a friendly warning :-)
[20:27] <tsdgeos> btw thanks for caring about kpdf bugs
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> Heh. :-) Won't happen again.
[20:27] <tsdgeos> and forwarding ubuntu bugs to poppler too
[20:27]  * rgreening ducks from the mud slingin'
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[20:28] <tsdgeos> JontheEchidna: that said you can confirm bugs but not change the component?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah... kinda weird. I asked in kde-bugs for somebody to reopen a different bug and they gave me canconfirm powers
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> which doesn't help with reopening bugs at all btw ;-)
[20:29] <tsdgeos> ok
[20:29] <tsdgeos> i could give you more powers
[20:29] <tsdgeos> but not sure i should ;-)
[20:29] <tsdgeos> next time you need them
[20:29] <tsdgeos> come for me and i'll give you, ok?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:31]  * tsdgeos hugs JontheEchidna
[20:31] <tsdgeos> man don't get a bad feeling
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:32] <tsdgeos> we devels are just too touchy with our bugs :D
[20:32] <tsdgeos> it's miiiiiiine
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:32] <tsdgeos> dinner time, bye!
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> *whew
[20:37] <rgreening> lol
[20:37]  * rgreening stands up "is it clear"
[20:38] <rgreening> :)
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> ah well, it's all good in the end
[20:39] <rgreening> 4 sure
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> well now that I've had my cardio workout for the day
[20:41] <jjesse> that was quite the interestesting coverstation
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new plasma screencast
[20:42] <rgreening> link?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/slides-and-cast.html
[20:45]  * rgreening pulls up a chair and grabs some pop-corn
[20:58] <jcastro> is kde-guidance ubuntu specific or upstream KDE?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> jcastro: ubuntu specific and newly-dead
[20:58] <jcastro> JontheEchidna: ok so we don't care about forwarding those bugs to ourselves right? :p
[20:59] <ScottK> jcastro: No.  Upstream to the extent there is one does look at LP in any case.
[21:17] <a|wen> g'evening all
[21:26] <ScottK> Good afternoon.
[21:30] <Riddell> hi ScottK, did motu ever take a position on blobwars
[21:31] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004435.html
[21:31]  * ScottK looks
[21:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think so, but it
[21:37] <ScottK> Riddell: ... looks pretty clear that they shouldn't be in the archive.
[21:38] <Riddell> ScottK: blobwars seems to have a dfsg versioned package now
[21:38] <Riddell> the others don't
[21:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Then I guess I'd assume it's OK and the others have to go, but I really don't know.
[21:49] <a|wen> ScottK: are you able to help with uploading a fix to hardy-backports to bug 261694 ?
[21:49] <a|wen> http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/
[21:50] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  I meant to ask you if you thought it was ready.
[21:51] <a|wen> ScottK: perfect ... there it is :)
[21:51] <ScottK> OK.
[21:52] <ScottK> http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/
[21:52] <a|wen> yes
[21:53] <a|wen> ScottK: i think kicker-taskbar-compiz should be added to bug 261840 if it is going to be done at some point
[21:55] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Yes, it should be added.
[21:55] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: How goes kdepim?
[21:57] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: i've tried looking for further commits in the kde-svn; was just going to check again now ...
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[21:58] <rgreening> Riddell: I just e-mailed you the diff/dsc for Qt 4.4.3 sync'd with debian.
[21:58] <Riddell> is knetworkmanager working for people?
[21:58] <Riddell> thanks rgreening, that'll have to wait until after beta
[21:58] <rgreening> np
[21:58] <rgreening> I'm gonna install/test tonight. I expect no issues though.
[21:59] <rgreening> cleaned it up a lot
[21:59] <Riddell> rgreening: planning to do qt 3.3.9 as well?
[21:59] <rgreening> still more will need to be done.
[21:59] <rgreening> Riddell: yep, next on the todo
[21:59] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: i can't find out how serious it is ... i consider trying to do a test if (but as it includes a gutsy-hardy upgrade, it'll probably take a little time)
[22:00] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: I think it's OK to take some time with this.
[22:02] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Test building now.  I'll be back in a bit.
[22:03] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: ok ... i'll be around for another hour or so
[22:09] <a|wen> ScottK: nothing in the upstream svn ... i'll try to see if it is reproducable when i get the chance
[23:09]  * a|wen just hit the midnight barrier ... see you tomorrow


[00:59] <Sir_Gabriel> Hi Valorie
[01:00] <valorie> hello Sir_Gabriel
[01:01] <valorie> you missed an excellent weekend
[01:01] <Sir_Gabriel> I did? 0.o
[01:01] <Sir_Gabriel> thats terrible
[01:01] <valorie> weren't we discussing linuxfest NW?
[01:01] <valorie> or is my memory unreliable
[01:01] <Sir_Gabriel> yeah I know.. I didn't get to go.
[01:02] <valorie> well, plan on it for next year
[01:02] <valorie> :-)
[01:02] <Sir_Gabriel> maybe.
[01:02] <valorie> did you join the loco mail list?
[01:02] <valorie> we're trying to get a Geeknik together
[01:03] <Sir_Gabriel> no, things got crazy here
[01:03] <Sir_Gabriel> is that like a linuxfest?
[01:03] <valorie> uh oh
[01:03] <valorie> no, just a picnic for geeks
[01:03] <valorie> burgers, hotdogs, potato salad, etc.
[01:03] <Sir_Gabriel> yeah, 7 ppl got evicted, had no power for a day, it's all crazy
[01:04] <Sir_Gabriel> ahh sounds cool.
[01:04] <valorie> wow
[01:04] <valorie> what happened to trigger all that?
[01:04] <valorie> oops, let's take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:04] <valorie> sorry for the noise, people
[01:04] <Sir_Gabriel> they found that the maintenance man had tepped into three electrical meters and stuff.
[01:09] <MTecknology> http://staging.profarius.com/ <-- kinda tried to base it off the kde colors; any opinions?
[01:11] <Sir_Gabriel> looks great to me
[01:12] <MTecknology> :)
[01:12] <Sir_Gabriel> what's it for?
[01:12] <Sir_Gabriel> I mean is this a new community site?
[01:13] <MTecknology> this isn't
[01:13] <MTecknology> i've been working on drupal stuff for community websites
[01:13] <Sir_Gabriel> !drupal
[01:14] <Sir_Gabriel> no idea what drupal is...
[01:15] <MTecknology> CMS
[01:15] <MTecknology> like joomla or wordpress
[01:15] <Sir_Gabriel> oh the layout thingy
[01:15] <MTecknology> drupal is more of a whole framework though
[01:16] <Sir_Gabriel> oh
[01:27] <MTecknology> Sir_Gabriel: so you think it's good enough for if someone would want to use it for a kubuntu based website?
[01:29] <Sir_Gabriel> definitely
[02:23] <stretchjax> hi can someone here help me with grub
[02:24] <mase_wk> stretchjax: we don't know if we can help because you haven't told us the problem
[02:26] <stretchjax> well i had restore my grub after installing win xp and it dont show my vista or xp install
[02:28] <mase_wk> well at least you have freed up a partition :)
[02:28] <mase_wk> you should be able to add those back fairly easily though. I'm sure someone will be able to assist you.
[02:28] <mase_wk> although i am surprised that google doesn't return any results
[02:35] <stretchjax> it retured alot
[02:36] <mase_wk> hmm what search terms did you use
[02:39] <stretchjax> adding new os to grub loader
[02:46] <mase_wk> stretchjax: try natty grub windows XP
[02:46] <mase_wk> that seems to return some decent resultss for me
[02:53] <stretchjax> ok it says to run sudo gedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst when i do i get file not found
[03:24] <Razal> Is anyone successfully running g15macro on 64-bit Natty? I would like to know in case I don't have to start whacking at source code.
[05:36] <preecher> gwibber-choqok or qwit?
[05:36] <mase_wk> choqok is what i use YMMV
[05:37] <preecher> mase_wk thx ill try it---gwibber always seemed kind laggy to me anyway
[08:14] <tasslehoff> The deafening silence is a sign that 11.04 is a solid Kubuntu-release (nobody needs help with anything)? :)
[08:15] <tasslehoff> I'm pondering an install of kubuntu-desktop :)
[08:16] <szal> the deafening silence is more a sign of the wrong time of day for ppl to storm the channel w/ questions ;)
[08:18] <MK`> Heh
[08:22] <tasslehoff> :)
[08:27] <dml> всем привет
[08:28] <dml> это русскоязычный канал?
[08:28] <dml> или англ?
[08:28] <dml> епт походу англ =/
[08:29] <szal> !ru | dml
[08:42] <asraniel> i'm trying to use the new sama filesharing in kubuntu
[08:43] <mase_wk> asraniel: new samba filesharing ?
[08:43] <asraniel> but somehow i can't set the permissions. well, i can set them, but the get cleared again if i reopen the dialog
[08:43] <asraniel> mase_wk: yes, by new i mean that its integrated into dolphin now
[08:43] <mase_wk> what is different to the old samba file sharing ?
[08:43] <asraniel> that i don't have to edit config files?
[08:43] <asraniel> well, i will have to now, because the dolphin plugin does not seem to work
[08:43] <JontheEchidna> asraniel: I'm sitting with the guy who wrote the new samba stuff right now. He says that it is a known bug
[08:44] <JontheEchidna> asraniel: I'm sitting with the guy who wrote the new samba stuff right now. He says that it is a known bug
[08:44] <asraniel> JontheEchidna: great :) looking forward to the bugfix
[08:45] <asraniel> JontheEchidna: is there a workaround currently?
[08:45] <JontheEchidna> you have to set up the unix permissions on the permissions tab in the "properties" menu of the file
[08:46] <JontheEchidna> and add permissions to the user that you want to share it with
[08:46] <JontheEchidna> a bit ugly, but at least you don't have to muck around with samba config :)
[08:46] <asraniel> JontheEchidna: i kept them as default. i want to share with "myself", so i don't really have to change any unix permissions
[08:47] <JontheEchidna> asraniel: rbelem is the man you want to talk to
[08:47] <rbelem> :-D
[08:47] <asraniel> ok. then i think windows is the problem. because i use the same username for both computers, but when connecting to the samba share, windows insists on adding COMPUTERNAME\username to the login
[08:47] <rbelem> asraniel, oh! another thing that you have to do
[08:48] <rbelem> asraniel, smbpasswd -a username
[08:48] <rbelem> sudo
[08:48] <asraniel> rbelem: works
[08:48] <rbelem> asraniel, :-)
[08:48] <asraniel> would never have found that ;)
[08:49] <rbelem> asraniel, this bug will be fixed soon
[08:49] <asraniel> rbelem: thx very much :) hope that gets fixed in a future version! because its really handy :)
[08:49] <rbelem> asraniel, you r very welcome :-)
[08:49] <asraniel> even if my dream solution would be if windows could just mount ssh folders.. but well
[08:49] <rbelem> asraniel, you can count with that in a few weeks
[08:50] <rbelem> :-)
[09:51] <yoga> when I click an link from dophin, it cannot open the browser and says "cannot find the program 'firefox-desktop'
[09:51] <yoga> "
[09:51] <yoga> any idea?
[09:52] <andrewh192> you might need to reinstall firefox
[09:53] <andrewh192> that's my best guys
[09:53] <andrewh192> guess rather
[10:00] <szal> a link from Dolphin?
[10:48] <yoga> szal: an entry from Dophin, which was created by drag and drop a web page from Firefoax
[11:14] <szal> yoga`: how do you drag and drop a website from Firefox?
[11:25] <Kaspi> hey guys
[11:26]  * Kaspi is starting to like his KDE
[11:27]  * szal has been liking KDE for ~7 years now
[11:29]  * Kaspi was using Gnome until got banged with Unity
[11:30] <Kaspi> I wanted to make my desktop "truly mine" anyways, that's why I tried KDE
[12:42] <vlodkow> hello
[12:43] <alvin> Anyone on 4.6.3 willing to test something before I file a bug? In Dolphin, go to /home/<yourusername>/Pictures. Activate 'Preview'. Also, select a picture. Do you a) see previews, b) In the information pane, see a preview, or is the picture treated as a video (with a play button and slider)?
[12:49] <szal> how do I get 4.6.3 if not from natty-backports?
[12:50] <Peace-> szal: compile?
[12:50] <Peace-> alvin: i can see video on dolphin kde 4.6.3
[12:50] <szal> Peace-: are you crazy? ;)
[12:50] <Peace-> oh i have compiled a ltos of stuff
[12:50] <Peace-> like ksnapshot
[12:51] <Peace-> 3 seconds and i did the debian
[12:51] <Peace-> :D
[12:51] <szal> the question was rather, is 4.6.3 to be found in natty-backports or elsewhere?
[12:53] <yofel> szal: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-463
[12:53] <szal> tx
[13:09] <mime1111> hey people. some plasmoids like solar system or matrix, once in desktop, show a message about a bad script with a red X, any idea?
[13:09] <mime1111> thnx
[13:11] <alvin> Peace, so it's a bug?
[13:13] <mime1111> hey people. some plasmoids like solar system or matrix, once in desktop, show a message about a bad script with a red X, any idea? i've tried manually install also, python and kde to date...
[13:13] <mime1111> im tired :O=
[13:18] <szal> yofel: how do I add the repo on the cmdline?  (either by command or by editing a sources file)
[13:18] <yofel> the repository guide explains that, but here: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[13:19] <szal> yofel: no the repository guide doesn't mention this exact bit
[13:19] <Kaspi> szal: I believe you can as well just add a line to the sources list file and run apt-get update
[13:19] <yofel> odd, it was somewhere
[13:19] <yofel> Kaspi: he can, but add-apt-repository adds the GPG key too
[13:19] <yofel> so less work
[13:19] <Kaspi> sure
[13:19] <Peace-> wooa
[13:20] <Peace-> bye bye guys
[13:20] <Kaspi> Peace-: seeya
[13:20] <yofel> cu
[13:20] <Peace-> xD i did the activity unity-mac like
[13:21] <yofel> ^^
[13:22] <szal> :o
[13:22] <szal> anyhoo, updating now
[13:24] <szal> yofel: is there a complimentary cmd to remove repos?
[13:27] <szal> what a version name..  "4.6.3really4.6.2" *rofl*
[13:29] <yofel> szal: ah, about that, 4.6.3 had messed up Icons, so it was force-downgraded to 4.6.2, and that's the sanest way to do that...
[13:30] <szal> yofel: ok, but still sounds funny ^^
[13:30] <yofel> szal: add-apt-repository has a --remove switch, though I'm not sure how to use it
[13:30] <yofel> right ^^
[13:34] <szal> alvin: no problem here w/ a JPEG I copied over to have something there ;)
[13:37] <Kaspi> what are activities for?
[13:45] <szal> no friggin' idea, I don't use them, or at least I don't normally change the default activity
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:56] <BluesKaj> KDE 4.6.3, so far so good
[14:09] <poyntz> what is libreoffice?
[14:09] <poyntz> how does it differ from openoffice?
[14:09] <Pici> Its a replacement for OpenOffice.
[14:09] <poyntz> is the latest libre better than the latest openoffice?
[14:09] <Pici> The developers forked it off of OO.o because Oracle now owns it.
[14:10] <poyntz> so they're identical?
[14:10] <Pici> Nearly
[14:10] <poyntz> which one's better?
[14:10] <Pici> Libreoffice is getting more development, so I guess thats 'better'
[14:10] <poyntz> ahh
[14:10] <[^_^]> poyntz: imagine that openoffice got duplicated and both copies go their own way
[14:11] <poyntz> is one going to be merged in with the kde environment?
[14:12] <poyntz> eg, so it looks like the rest of kde, aka scroll bars, menues, etc..
[14:12] <poyntz> system fonts, themes, ...
[14:18] <Isis___> hello, should I find kde 4.6.3 in the repository?? im running 4.6.2, and 4.6.3 is not there?
[14:19] <gvandeweyer> is there any experience on installing compiz on kubuntu 11.04. I had to install latest version for video support (dell optiplex 990 with intel HD2000 video card), but would like to enable compiz
[14:20] <bigbrovar> Isis___: the update is only available via the kubuntu backport ppa
[14:20] <gvandeweyer> however, the kubuntu guide just seems to be a copy of maverick (even numbers are not adapted yet... ) :-)
[14:21] <bigbrovar> Isis___: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-463 u
[14:23] <gvandeweyer> and since the system-settings=>advanced menu is not present at all, I'm not that willing to start the experiment yet.
[14:23] <bigbrovar> gvandeweyer: I haven't used compiz on kde 4 before so I wouldn't know.  u can check systemsettings --> default applications. under the windows manager tab, check use a different windows manager and see if compiz shows up as an option
[14:25] <bigbrovar> gvandeweyer: just not that compiz is not recommended for kde, kwin the kde windows manager is very capable and integrates better with kde. Its also more stable
[14:29] <gvandeweyer> bigbrovar: I know it's more stable, but I'm *very* used to the cylinder layout of my desktops that I can drag and spin with the mouse. Or is it possible with kwin now to alt-click to switch desktops?
[14:30]  * gvandeweyer *brb
[14:39] <bigbrovar> gvandeweyer: u can configure how to switch btw desktop goto systemsettings > workspace behaviour > under the screen edges tab.
[14:40] <bigbrovar> gvandeweyer: u can also check the virtual desktop and workspace tab for anything interesting
[14:43] <gvandeweyer> hmm, compiz = failure ... emerald segfaults, so there are no window borders.
[14:43] <tsimpson> emerald is unmaintained and basically dead
[14:44] <bigbrovar> gvandeweyer: u would be better off betting with kwin. just check the options I told u
[14:44] <gvandeweyer> I just did :-)
[14:45] <gvandeweyer> It does not give just the right feeling however. I guess I'll have to get used to it
[14:45] <ani> guys whenever i startup kubuntu i drop to shell. i try startx and it says Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?). Check your installation... I searched online, and it says check if /var/tmp folder exists. It does exist and I also cleaned /var/tmp and /tmp. How do i get xorg to work again?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ani , the first thing to try isthe recovery kernel, then in the dialog "repair broken packages", then boot normally. Once ay the desktop make sure you have the recommended graphics driver installed in /kmenu/apps/sytem/additional drivers
[14:54] <BluesKaj> scuse my KB batteries are low again
[15:04] <fxrh> hi! I want to connect my laptop (dell vostro 1510) to a projector/second monitor and I want to clone the screen. The laptop key doesn't seem to work, so how can I do that with the kde or nivida config dialogs?
[15:05] <fxrh> I was able to create two different screens (with TwinView), but that isn't what I want to have...
[15:05] <natman> :fxrh does the sys settings not help you?
[15:06] <fxrh> natman: I didn't found such an option
[15:07] <fxrh> in the monitor section was just one display when I disabled it with the nvidia config, and if I enabled TwinView, there was no option for cloning
[15:07] <natman> :fxrh inside system settings-display, there should be two areas to control each monitor, as far as i rember it will allow you to clone the image
[15:08] <fxrh> natman: when I go into display & monitor, which of the three modules?
[15:09] <natman> fxrh: sorry need to leave , best of luck, perhaps restarting with the laptop still connected to the external monitor might, that used to work for me
[15:09] <fxrh> natman: thanks, ill try that
[15:09] <natman> fxrh:  hit Identify outputs and look at the screens and numbers they are kinda big :)
[15:09] <natman> bye
[15:22] <ani> BluesKaj: thanks. It worked :)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ani , cool ")
[16:17] <magepsycho> guys i have some issue with the fonts
[16:17] <magepsycho> http://postimage.org/image/bd8unq04/full/
[16:17] <magepsycho> can you check the pic please
[16:30] <DarthFrog> magepsycho: You need to ask in #Ubuntu, not here.
[16:32] <shane4kubuntu> Ok, I have sent 2 printings to the printer, of which neither printed, and no printer que???
[16:46] <eristikophiles> can anyone tell me where the System Settings executable is?
[16:46] <eristikophiles> (in Natty)
[16:47] <eristikophiles> or, if anyone can tell me why since upgrading i can no longer change any settings because it says i lack authorization, *and* it doesn't ever present a prompt to put my password in / sudo in
[17:19] <l2s2> Hi, my webcam video is upside down on Skype. Do i need to install the driver from http://linuxtv.org/repo/ ?
[17:21] <l2s2> lsusb gives me http://paste.ubuntu.com/606558/
[17:22] <CtrlAltCa> die in a fire.
[17:46] <Soupermanito> hello how does one localizes, i mean change the lang packs etc, fastly? like from an apt-get line?
[17:49] <DarthFrog> eristikophiles: If you want to find where an executable is in your path, use the "which" command.  "which systemsettings" returns  /usr/bin/systemsettings.
[17:49] <eristikophiles> ah.. ok
[17:49] <eristikophiles> thanks
[17:50] <eristikophiles> cool, now i can sudo to it.. though i really don't get why it can't ask me for a password instead of spitting errors about authorization
[17:51] <DarthFrog> eristikophiles: File a bug report, please.
[17:59] <eristikophiles> hm.. where?
[18:00] <eristikophiles> can't seem to find it on kubuntu site
[18:25] <DarthFrog> !launchpad | eristikophiles
[18:29] <eristikophiles> thanks
[18:33] <eristikophiles> heh i can't report a bug .. says "invalid openid transaction" and stalls at the page
[18:52] <Babalau> http://www.clubulfoto.com/concurs/concursul-lunii-mai/f944648c
[18:54] <eristikophiles> so i have this other problem. phonon shows all my audio devices, and i can prefer them like i want, but they appear grayed out and the only active one is "Dummy Output" and "Dummy Input"
[18:54] <eristikophiles> and there is no sound, not from internal speakers (which are like, full speakers on this box), nor usb headphones
[18:57] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: this happens even when u reboot the machine?
[18:57] <BluesKaj> eristikophiles, when you click test /dummy in phonon , is there sound ?
[19:00] <eristikophiles> no testing does nothing. the button does get stuck though. and yes, i've rebooted a few times since the upgrade
[19:04] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: can u try an kubuntu 11.4 livecd to see if it works there?
[19:06] <eristikophiles> a liveCD?
[19:07] <eristikophiles> i'm running 11.04
[19:07] <eristikophiles> my sound worked before the upgrade
[19:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> when I run some fullscreen games, my left monitor goes out and the picture that was on it appears on the right one. Others will display on both monitors (cloned). I'd like to fix this, but first, is there any way other than restarting the computer to fix the display back to two monitors with an extended desktop? Such as restarting a process or something?
[19:33] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: did u do a clean install or u did an upgrade, if u did an upgrade instead of a clean install. it might be a good idea to test from a livecd if the problem exist or was something caused by a broken upgrade
[19:50] <eristikophiles> bigbrovar- ah i see now
[19:50] <eristikophiles> i used the kpackagekit upgrader
[19:52] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: well tbh I never do or recommend upgrades, always do a clean install since all 3 years I have been running linux. I even make sure to clean out the hidden files in my home dir (safe for kopete and kmail configs)
[19:53] <bigbrovar> that way I start fresh
[19:53] <eristikophiles> i didn't want to lose my settings
[19:54] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: yeah I understand, :) anyway just try the livecd, we are not certain what the cause is
[19:54] <bigbrovar> just want to troubleshoot and try and see if from a fresh setup does ur sound work? so the livecd is one way to find out
[19:55] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: u can also create a new user (call it foo) and see if sound works from there
[19:56] <eristikophiles> i'll try a livecd at some point. rebooting is a tedious process though
[19:56] <eristikophiles> this is an old refurbished box.. P4
[19:56] <eristikophiles> i don't want to reboot right now :)
[20:13] <bigbrovar> eristikophiles: u can always create a new user
[20:14] <bigbrovar> and try the sound from there
[20:31] <balagexp> hi
[20:34] <LjL> natty - how can i use the Start and Menu keys as KDE shortcuts?
[20:36] <Peace-> LjL: ?
[20:36] <Peace-> LjL: unity like?
[20:36] <szal> LjL: for what?
[20:37] <LjL> Peace-, szal: i don't know what unity is like, but i always had Menu bring up Yakuake in KDE3, and i'd like Start to bring up KRunner
[20:37] <shane4kubuntu> Ok, this should be a simple question for you KDE'rs, in nautilus, I always clicked on a file to select it, then I could delete it, copy it or paste it, by right clicking on it, every time I click on a file in dolphin it opens it, how would one just select it??
[20:38] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: ok... it's simple
[20:38] <szal> LjL: Systemsettings -> Common Appearance and Behaviour -> Shortcuts and Hotkeys
[20:38] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: systemsettings==> top right there is a filter bar , type mouse
[20:39] <szal> shane4kubuntu: I think I told you that before..  press Ctrl & click
[20:39] <asraniel> shane4kubuntu: into the mous configuration of your system, and change opening from singe click to double click
[20:39] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: then... go in the mouse windwos , set double click...
[20:39] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/12/plasma-desktopGH4845.jpg
[20:40] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: btw even in the settings of dolphin there is an option instead to go on system setting for lazy man like me...
[20:41] <Peace-> shane4kubuntu: dolphin settings ==> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/12/plasma-desktopAv4845.jpg
[20:48] <shane4kubuntu> Thanks Peace- szal asraniel  but is that what you all do, is change it from single to double click?
[20:48] <asraniel> shane4kubuntu: pretty much
[20:48]  * szal doesn't
[20:48] <shane4kubuntu> I mean, I guess I don't mind doing that, but just wondered if there was a KDE way
[20:49] <shane4kubuntu> oh, right szal does ctrl & click, but that requires two hands.
[20:49] <asraniel> shane4kubuntu: for usability reasons kde decided that its better to have single click. most users don't agree i suppose. But the advante of kde is that you can change it easily and fast, not like some other DEs..
[20:49] <szal> shane4kubuntu: that _is_ the KDE way ^^
[20:49] <szal> or, rather, the Unix way
[20:49] <asraniel> shane4kubuntu: you can also hover over the icon, and then a little plus icon apears that lets you select it
[20:49] <asraniel> shane4kubuntu: that i use actually, because its easier than shift + click for multiple files
[20:49] <masand> Hi ev'rybody
[20:49] <shane4kubuntu> asraniel: right, I have done the + and - signs before, and that is good for mutliple files.
[20:50] <masand> I'm form Italy
[20:50] <masand> nice to talk with you
[20:50] <shane4kubuntu> ok, I think I got it, instead of left clicking, to select the file, I can directly right click on one file and then select the option i want, hmm, perhaps that is better, one click verus two.
[20:51] <szal> masand: no real need for formalities..  have a question?  ask..  wanna chat? -> #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:51] <TNZfr> hi all
[20:51] <masand> sorry
[20:52] <shane4kubuntu> !hello | TNZfr
[20:52] <TNZfr> I've a question for a XP return on Natty ...
[20:52] <masand> I can't set correctly the Kwin shadows
[20:52] <TNZfr> actually, I'm using Maverick with KDE 4
[20:52] <TNZfr> .6.2
[20:53] <TNZfr> Is it necessary to migrate to natty ?
[20:54] <TNZfr> I think i'm going to wait for KDE 4.7.1 or later ... what's your opinion ?
[20:54] <masand> the kwin shadows are independent from the focus... why?
[20:54] <szal> TNZfr: "necessary" is your decision..  Maverick will be supported until the release of Oneiric, so you can stick w/ it for some more months
[20:55] <szal> !oneiric
[20:56] <TNZfr> szal: thx, but i'm wondering about the kernel version and enhanced radeon support in fact
[20:56] <Peace-> TNZfr: no
[20:57] <szal> TNZfr: kernel version will stay the same, only new rolls for bugfixes
[20:57] <TNZfr> Peace-:  ??? no for what ?
[20:57] <Peace-> migrate
[20:58] <TNZfr> so is there someone to explain me the radeon support addons in natty ?
[21:00] <LjL> szal, sure, except Shortcuts and Hotkeys does not let me select Start and Menu specifically as valid keys, which is why i asked
[21:07] <shane4kubuntu> !ubuntuone
[21:10] <TNZfr> !natty
[21:30] <aapzak> hi, I just used some code to remove resize grip on gtk apps. I cannot find how to do this for KDE apps. Can you help me?
[22:21] <calcmandan_> Hi kubuntus
[22:26] <shane4kubuntu> anyone here use ubuntuone?
[22:26] <shane4kubuntu> what do I need to do to get it running on kde?
[22:29] <LjL> where in Kubuntu do i set parameters from [front and back] microphone, line input, aux input, and the various output? KMix only has one single slider for input, plus one for output.
[22:37] <DarthFrog> LjL: You would have to install more componets of pulseaudio: paprefs, paman, padevchooser and pavucontrol.  Then run padevchooser
[22:38] <LjL> DarthFrog: padevchooser seems to be a GTK app... so this is not doable from within KDE?
[22:39] <DarthFrog> LjL: KDE has gone to pulseaudio as the backend to Phonon.  You could remove pulseaudio and use the alsa utils instead if you wish.
[22:40] <szal> why the Gtk phobia?
[22:41] <shane4kubuntu> LjL: check the prefs in kmix
[22:42] <LjL> szal: because if i had wanted to use GTK i wouldn't be on KDE
[22:42] <shane4kubuntu> LjL: actually settings and -> setup I think,
[22:43] <LjL> shane4kubuntu: there is Audio Setup, but i cannot make heads or tails of it to be honest
[22:43] <shane4kubuntu> kmix asks me: KDE detected that one or more internal sound devices were removed, do I want to permanently forget about these devices?  that is odd, I didn't remove nothing
[22:43] <shane4kubuntu> LjL: sorry I can't be of much more help there, I'm a gnome convert.
[22:44] <shane4kubuntu> does kde usually use gstreamer as the backend?
[22:44] <LjL> i think these days it does
[22:44] <LjL> i'm a KDE3 convert myself
[22:44] <LjL> i'm not sure i'm not converting back though at this point :\
[22:44] <James147> shane4kubuntu: in 11.04 it does
[22:44] <shane4kubuntu> ok
[22:45] <shane4kubuntu> LjL: well, I'm not going back to Unity, and will sit out of gnome3 for a bit, while they update.
[22:45] <shane4kubuntu> thanks James147
[22:49] <ooki2day> hi
[22:50] <ooki2day> I choose recommended driver for nvidia, but when I click to enable desktop effects, i see this
[22:50] <ooki2day> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[22:50] <ooki2day> Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type.
[22:50] <ooki2day> what I need to do?
[22:52] <szal> ooki2day: define "recommended driver"
[22:53] <James147> ooki2day: did you restart after you neabled them?
[22:53] <James147> enabled ^^
[22:53] <ooki2day> I use recommended driver
[22:53] <szadek> Hi people can someone help me sync ipad with amarok ? it shows in local Music as Apple ipad , but it says it has 0 tracks ( Im on kubuntu natty with amarok 2.4.1 )
[22:55] <ooki2day> and I will restarted after enabled
[23:01] <ooki2day> anybode told me what can I do?
[23:13] <szal> ooki2day: again, what is the "recommended driver"?
[23:14] <ooki2day> system->additional drivers->recommended
[23:14] <ooki2day> right?
[23:16] <ooki2day> in kubuntu 11.04 released at march it works
[23:17] <ooki2day> but now I installed full release
[23:18] <szal> ooki2day: still doesn't tell me what exact driver that is
[23:20] <ooki2day> recommended driver is driver wich was tested by the ubuntu developers
[23:22]  * gomiboy thinks this will never end
[23:22] <ooki2day> in additional drivers I have two-version 173 and version current. I use version current
[23:23] <ooki2day> version curren is recommended by ubuntu developers
[23:23] <ooki2day> but I can't enable effects
[23:25] <ooki2day> szal: do you understand what is the "recommended driver"?
[23:26] <szal> I can guess, but still not sure
[23:26] <szal> I'd like you to pastebin 2 things -> (1) sudo lspci; (2) sudo lsmod
[23:26] <szal> !paste
[23:27] <ooki2day> k
[23:27] <ooki2day> moment
[23:29] <ooki2day> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606674/
[23:33] <szal> ooki2day: another thing -> sudo dpkg -l '*nvidia*'
[23:34] <James147> szal: dont need sudo to list
[23:34] <szal> James147: whatever
[23:34] <szal> doesn't make a difference in this case ^^
[23:40] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:41] <ooki2day>  sudo dpkg -l '*nvidia*' to paste?
[23:43] <ubuntu> hola
[23:43] <ubuntu> buenas noche
[23:44] <ooki2day> http://paste.ubuntu.com/606675/