[00:21] <ThomasWard[m]> Eickmeyer: in case you're bored... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1443847/portuguese-keyboard-not-writing-special-characters-on-ubuntu-studio-with-any-des
[00:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wouldn't even know how to solve that.
[00:22] <ThomasWard[m]> hence the 'in case you're bored and want to hunt' part ;)
[00:22] <ThomasWard[m]> *returns to the shadows*
[00:22] <ThomasWard[m]> it seems oddly specific it works on Kubuntu but not Studio
[00:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, KDE Plasma itself is locallized, but a lot of multimedia applications (including Studio Controls) are not.
[00:25] <ThomasWard[m]> *does a chaos and force-disables TrustCor certificates on his internet*
[00:25] <ThomasWard[m]> * and force-disables/force-deletes/force-distrusts TrustCor, * his internet and all his devices*
[00:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Heh, and yeah, not extremely bored. I've got a ton of job apps to fill out. :/
 "*does a chaos and force-disables..." <- Guide for how I can do that myself?
[00:33] <ThomasWard[m]> arraybolt3[m]: ca-certificates: sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates - choose "yes" and then in the list where you find mozilla/ certs, deselect the TrustCor_* certificates then continue onto the next screen, it'll distrust those ca certificates
[00:33] <ThomasWard[m]> firefox, chrome, etc. have their own cert stores, go into each one and find the TrustCor certs and mark them as untrusted or remove them from the cert store
[00:33] <ThomasWard[m]> ca-certificates is getting an update on Monday AFAICT from #ubuntu-security logs yesterday
[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice, thanks! /me proceeds to do that on my main devices
[00:35] <ThomasWard[m]> alternatively wait until Monday/Tuesday for ca-certificates
[00:35] <ThomasWard[m]> i believe that marc is working on the certs, etc. in ca-certificates.
[00:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Eh, why wait when you can do it yourself early :P
[00:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, just did that to my two main devices, I'll probably wait to reconnect my main desktop to the Internet until after Monday since it's not really in use anyway, and then I'll get the fix at that point.
[00:37] <ThomasWard[m]> exactly.
[00:37] <ThomasWard[m]> it's why i did some stabbings today :P


[00:44] <bdmurray> bkerensa: there should be a new version avalible for precise very soon
[00:45] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Ahh cool :D
[07:09] <RedSingularity> jibel: Did you get a chance for bug 891255 ?
[07:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 891255 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update impossible with update-manager -- loses connection to daemon (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891255
[08:20] <RedSingularity> mvo: take a look at it as well if you get the chance, bug 891255
[08:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 891255 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update impossible with update-manager -- loses connection to daemon (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/891255
[08:24] <mvo> thanks RedSingularity - let me have a look
[08:28] <mvo> I replied in the bug
[08:29] <RedSingularity> mvo: Did it update properly?  Dont see it there....
[08:30] <RedSingularity> mvo: nm got it :)
[08:30] <RedSingularity> mvo: think it policykit?
[08:36] <mvo> RedSingularity: not sure, but it might be
[08:37] <mvo> RedSingularity: let me ask him one more thing
[08:38] <mvo> RedSingularity: I asked for aptd debug output too now :)
[08:38] <mvo> RedSingularity: is that a common bugreport? I remember someone mentioning this a while a ago, but there is was a missing policykit agent iirc
[08:39] <RedSingularity> mvo: no I have not seen this before...
[08:40] <RedSingularity> mvo: I am usually up to date on the U-M bugs too but this is a new one for me.  Probably a local issue :/
[08:42]  * mvo nods
[08:42] <mvo> thanks!
[08:42] <RedSingularity> mvo: Thank you for the assistance!  Bed time here.  Have a good one :)
[08:43] <mvo> good night RedSingularity
[08:43] <RedSingularity> o/
[09:14] <bil21al> helo people here is a problem
[09:14] <bil21al> after update an icon is appear in the top pannel
[13:34] <bil21al> i can not upgrade my system and some pakages are left by terminal
[13:34] <bil21al> any sugession
[13:38] <bil21al> helo people here is the out put of terminal i tried that terminal said but no success   You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[13:38] <bil21al> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:38] <bil21al>  network-manager : Depends: libnl-3-200 (>= 3.2.3) but it is not installed
[13:38] <bil21al> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[13:41] <iceroot> can someone please have a look here? i dont know if ubuntu will fix the issue or if debian has to package it first so ubuntu can sync it https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-exchange/+bug/901226  if needed i can also create a bug on debians bugzilla
[13:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901226 in evolution-exchange (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evolution-exchange 3.2.2 is missing in Ubuntu 12.04 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:48] <htorque> om26er: hi! bug 900979 → back to New?
[13:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900979 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Maximized dash not completely covering bottom right corner (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/900979
[13:50] <om26er> oh yeah sure NEW
[13:50] <om26er> htorque, does it happen with unity from archives?
[13:50] <om26er> or only specific to trunk?
[13:54] <htorque> it also happens with precise packages, yes.
[13:55] <htorque> i'm currently trying to find out when the dash home icons started to become off-centered. i usually don't use the dash maximized. :-/
[15:23] <bil21al> helo friendz  any body else having this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/901275
[15:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901275 in software-center (Ubuntu) "can't download any thing from the software center (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:29] <Pici> bil21al: Can you update using apt-get?
[15:30] <bil21al> yes i can update through terminal but not be able to install anything from software center
[15:35] <charlie-tca> I have a fresh precise installing now, will check when it is completed
[15:36] <CarlFK> I found a regression: wxpython app I wrote works in 10.10, has a problem refreshing the gui in 11.4, 11.11 and daily beta.
[15:36] <CarlFK> wx dev does not think it is a problem with wx
[15:37] <CarlFK> where should I post the details so someone can help me figure out what package to log the bug aginst?
[15:45] <bil21al> pici: any suggession
[15:45] <bil21al> ?
[15:48] <Pici> bil21al: My suggestion to to ensure that you are completely up to date by using apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade and then see if that fixes any issues with software center
[15:51] <charlie-tca> bil21al: tried to install gedit if fresh Xubuntu, software center gave me an error
[15:51] <charlie-tca> aptdaemon has an unrecoverable problem
[15:55] <charlie-tca> trying to update now; will try the install again after a reboot.
[16:05] <charlie-tca> Pici: same error here after updating and using dist-upgrade
[16:05] <charlie-tca> programming error in aptdaemon
[16:11] <charlie-tca> bil21al: bug 901275 confirmed
[16:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901275 in software-center (Ubuntu) "can't download any thing from the software center (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901275
[16:16] <bil21al> charlie-tca ok
[17:20] <bil21al> people have a look on it i guess u have never seen this bug may be
[17:20] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/901327
[17:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901327 in unity (Ubuntu) "a white sheet like thing appear before the launcher (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:24] <Pici> bil21al: thats not coming from the launcher.  Its from your chrome new-tab screen.
[17:25] <bil21al> how? no no when i go towards the launcher than it appear and if i go away than it is gone..
[17:25] <bil21al> pici:
[17:26] <Pici> Thats because chrome hilights the left/right part of the window when you go to the edges of the new-tab screen.
[17:27] <bil21al> ahan ok
[17:27] <bil21al> so now i invalid it ok i understand :)
[18:01] <bdmurray> bugsquad meeting now
[18:23] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: what was the bug you mentioned in the qa meeting?
[18:23] <charlie-tca> transmission uninstallable, no bug report yet. I am still running a hardware install to verify.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> I do have bug 901330 for the desktop image, though
[18:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901330 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashes during installation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901330
[18:24] <seb128> charlie-tca, how uninstallable?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> completely
[18:24] <seb128> error?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> The install failed.
[18:24] <seb128> works here
[18:24] <seb128> we need extra details
[18:24] <charlie-tca> xubuntu 64bit installed?
[18:25] <seb128> I did the update, I can look at the issue but I need details
[18:25] <seb128> no, ubuntu standard but I did updated transmission, there was nothing special in that update
[18:25] <charlie-tca> I will file a bug if the hardware install fails
[18:25] <seb128> so I'm interested to know what the error is
[18:25] <seb128> ok
[18:26] <charlie-tca> all I have right now is the uninstallable report"
[18:26] <charlie-tca> xubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages:
[18:26] <charlie-tca> transmission 2.33-0ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries:
[18:26] <charlie-tca>   * transmission-gtk (amd64)
[18:26] <seb128> that's the old version
[18:26] <seb128> 2.42-0ubuntu1 is the archive version
[18:27] <charlie-tca> but it did cause my install in VBox to fail
[18:27] <seb128> do you use an outdated mirror?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> I can not get the iso to install, mirror doesn't matter
[18:28] <seb128> well maybe the iso was made during the transition
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Just grab the 64bit image from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and try to install it. It fails
[18:29] <charlie-tca> and it did just fail on hardware
[18:30] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: this might be bug 850264
[18:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 850264 in apt (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "given a foreign architecture of i386 on amd64 machine, and an outdated libc, apt tries to remove libc-bin (affects: 47) (dups: 48) (heat: 418)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850264
[18:31] <charlie-tca> is that going to cause
[18:31] <charlie-tca> transmission-gtk : Depends: transmission-common (= 2.33-0ubuntu2) but it is not installable
[18:31] <bdmurray> that is going to cause the install to fail
[18:32] <charlie-tca> This started today.
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Perhaps the desktop failed for that one, but the alternate is failing due to transmission-common
[18:33] <seb128> that error suggest that you have an arch all,any mismatch between versions
[18:33] <charlie-tca> seb128: transmission-common has been updated already from 2.33?
[18:33] <seb128> which is usally what you get when i386 built but not i.e amd64
[18:34] <seb128> charlie-tca, it's a binary from the same source
[18:35] <seb128> charlie-tca, try again tomorrow or ask for a respin, it's most likely the iso got rolled at a time where the amd64 update was not published yet but the i386 one was
[18:35] <charlie-tca> will do
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I can try this tomorrow before filing another bug
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:36] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: how did you report bug 901330? using apport I gather?
[18:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 901330 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashes during installation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901330
[18:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I suspect it should be a duplicate of bug 894768 though
[18:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 894768 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "Installation randomly fails with: File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py", line 621, in copy_file targetfh.write(buf) IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument (affects: 29) (dups: 28) (heat: 260)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/894768
[18:37] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: yes, and I wrote a pattern for that so you shouldn't have been able to report it ;-)  I'm trying to sort out what went wrong
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Oh, ooops
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I installed from the cd menu, if that helps
[19:24] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: I got the same fail using hardware with the Xubuntu desktop 64bit image today
[19:26] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: right you mentioned that its the same bug I just recreated it too using Ubuntu to sort out this apport bug


[14:10] <Mirv> SpamapS: hi! could you take a peek at compiz 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 in the SRU queue? the diff is quite small, and it'd need to go in before precise compiz update which in turn is aimed for 12.04.2..
[14:11] <Mirv> so that 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 is in the quantal queue
[15:36] <infinity> Mirv: Why would it need to go in before precise?
[16:04] <SpamapS> Mirv: I'd echo infinity's question. But anyway, I will be doing SRU stuff tomorrow. Not sure I'll have time today.
[16:13] <infinity> SpamapS: I reviewed and accepted it for him, but I'd still like to know the answer to my question. :P
[16:14] <SpamapS> ah ok
[19:35] <Mirv> infinity / spampaps: I mean, there are partially same bug fixes aiming to go to precise, so that quantal release would need to go in first
[19:36] <Mirv> so there is an upcoming <IP_ADDRESS> release for precise brewing
[19:36] <infinity> Mirv: Yes, and I'm wondering where you came up with the idea that Q has to land before P.
[19:36] <Mirv> thanks a lot
[19:36] <infinity> Mirv: They could both land at the same time, or even in the inverse order.
[19:37] <infinity> Mirv: We have a hard requirement that fixes be committed/landed in the development branch/series so they don't get "lost", but no such requirement for all old stable releases.
[19:37] <Mirv> infinity: we have had that idea, not sure where it'd come from. of course there is the need for fixes to land first in development version, but I guess nothing written about a need to go to a newer stable release first
[19:37] <infinity> (And, indeed, we often fix things in an LTS that we don't deem necessary to fix in every other stable release)
[19:39] <infinity> Mirv: Anyhow, I reviewed and accepted it anyway, but don't let odd ideas about ordering block you from uploading in the future.  And the precise.2 stuff is on a pretty strict timeline.
[19:41] <Mirv> infinity: ok, I'll try to stop the odd ideas from spreading
[19:41] <Mirv> infinity: regarding .2 bamf/precise (<IP_ADDRESS>) would be useful to get into -proposed as well
[19:42] <Mirv> didrocks mentioned he'd be uploading the compiz <IP_ADDRESS> to the queue when he comes back from holiday, even though it starts to be somewhat late already at that point
[19:42] <Mirv> but apparently now mterry plans to upload it already this week, after discussing with didrocks...
[19:48] <Mirv> good night, and good that I happened to glance on IRC still so I could give the compiz precise release to michael


[12:25] <Jester45> look at this http://www.plastk.net/highres/50mon/
[12:25] <Jester45> thats insane... you would have to be a few feet away to see it all
[12:32] <shramanad> hello. how to make xubuntu see /home on LVM?
[12:37] <Jester45> !LVM
[12:37] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[12:39] <shramanad> ubotu: thanks! one more question: how to setup ADSL for the modem in the bridged mode?
[12:39] <Jester45> ubotu, is a bot not a person
[12:40] <shramanad> oh, i see
[12:40] <Jester45> !DSL
[12:40] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[12:40] <oslo> hi, actually on kde i wanna now if xfcedoes real transparency ?
[12:40] <Jester45> ummm
[12:40] <Jester45> it does transparency
[12:41] <Jester45> im not sure how
[12:42] <oslo> Jester45> real one or only show your desktop wallpaper ?
[12:43] <oslo> does it show the other frame one under an other? it's real transparency
[12:43] <Jester45> real
[12:43] <Pumpernickel> It does real transparency; xfwm is a compositing manager.
[12:44] <oslo> scuse my english but i'v not find a french channel about xubuntu
[12:44] <Jester45> you mean... where you can see windows though the transparency
[12:44] <oslo> Pumpernickel> ok thks
[12:44] <oslo> Jester45> yes i meant
[12:48] <oslo> by the way i'm looking for connecting a smartphone like a NETWORK Device. on XP it's use Belcarra LAN LINK driver, i read on linux it will be usbnet so i modprobe it but there isn't still no connection. ( it works fine on XP with VirtualBox but i would like do it directly on linux & use wine for the sync tool )
[12:49] <oslo> (( for it's working on Virtual box i don' tneed to modprobe usbnet ))
[12:49] <Jester45> oslo, does the sync tool work on wine?  you might want to check that first
[12:50] <oslo> Jester45> yes he does
[12:50] <oslo> *it
[12:50] <oslo> Jester45> bt first i need to obtain my smartphone in ifconfig .... :D
[12:50] <oslo> but
[12:51] <oslo> on XP with VirtualBox it's quite simple, teh drivers are automaticaly installed; on linux it's becoming a headach for me :S
[01:18] <servaas-xubuntu-> hoi
[01:20] <servaas-xubuntu-> hyper_ch: hi did kilonux came back for help with getting up his internet connection trough eternet/router ?
[01:31] <gonzaloaf_work> hi, how do I set a image viewer as the default one?
[01:57] <cheeseboy> how i play videos that use divx ??
[01:58] <TheSheep> !video | cheeseboy
[01:58] <ubotu> cheeseboy: Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:59] <j1mc> TheSheep: I don't think that Xubuntu installs multimedia codecs like Ubuntu does.
[01:59] <TheSheep> gonzaloaf_work: right-click on an image, select properties, click 'open with' and select your favorite program
[01:59] <TheSheep> j1mc: that's why there are also the two other links
[02:00] <j1mc> hehe... sorry, i missed, those.
[02:04] <domenic> does anyone know a good psp homebrew channel?
[02:07] <j1mc> psp homebrew?
[02:12] <gonzaloaf_work> TheSheep, if I want to set this setting widely for all user?
[02:12] <gonzaloaf_work> users*
[02:16] <TheSheep> gonzaloaf_work: it's computed based on the files in /usr/share/applications
[02:16] <TheSheep> gonzaloaf_work: these files have, among other things, information about mime types of files supported by the applications
[02:16] <TheSheep> gonzaloaf_work: but I don't know how the priority is decided
[02:20] <TheSheep> gonzaloaf_work: the standard says that the priority is handled somewhere else: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s07.html
[02:41] <Jester45> does anyone know how i can look at my hardrives temp? it workes under windows with HD tune
[02:41] <Jester45> but hdparm doesnt show its a western digital
[02:45] <j1mc> Jester45: do you have the hdtemp package installed?
[02:45] <j1mc> sorry, hddtemp
[02:47] <j1mc> sudo hddtemp /dev/sda
[03:00] <cheeseboy> can anyone help me i need to set a key to be another key
[03:00] <cheeseboy> ?
[03:05] <j1mc> cheeseboy: have you looked at the keyboard layout application?
[03:05] <j1mc> sorry, the keyboard setting application?
[03:05] <cheeseboy> whats it called?
[03:06] <j1mc> applications > settings > keyboard settings
[03:06] <cheeseboy> i dont think i have it installed
[03:06] <cheeseboy> nope it isnt
[03:06] <j1mc> hmmm and you're running xubuntu?  which version?
[03:06] <cheeseboy> fiesty
[03:07] <cheeseboy> but i installed from scratch
[03:07] <j1mc> cheeseboy: you installed from a command-line system?
[03:08] <cheeseboy> yes
[03:08] <cheeseboy> i didnt have a good disc
[03:09] <j1mc> you would need to install the xubuntu-system-tools package
[03:09] <j1mc> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-system-tools
[03:09] <cheeseboy> thats already install
[03:10] <j1mc> what about xubuntu-default-settings ?
[03:12] <j1mc> bbiab
[03:14] <^rike^> hi, i'm trying to install ubuntu on an old machine and the installation hangs when detecting hardware; the screen shows "killed" in a loop
[03:14] <^rike^> sorry, xubuntu
[03:16] <cheeseboy> thats installed too
[04:02] <lightrush> Hello
[04:02] <lightrush> My Xserver begins lagging after 1-2 days of use of my system
[04:02] <lightrush> it starts taking about 20% of my CPU
[04:02] <lightrush> and any switch between resolution modes takes forever
[04:02] <lightrush> any ideas of fixing this issue?
[04:03] <j1mc> lightrush: have you filed a bug?
[04:04] <lightrush> j1mc:  no because its the official 7.04
[04:05] <lightrush> is there any way of manually upgrading my XFCE?
[04:05] <j1mc> lightrush: you can still file bugs against the 7.04 release.
[04:05] <j1mc> bugs get fixed
[04:05] <lightrush> :)
[04:05] <j1mc> it's just that new features / apps don't get added (or they aren't supported, really)
[04:07] <cheeseboy> help????????
[04:09] <j1mc> !ask
[04:09] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:11] <cheeseboy> i have asked
[04:12] <cheeseboy> my period key doesnt work how i set o a different key?
[04:12] <cheeseboy> to*
[04:33] <Ghostvirus> wow, pretty dead in here
[04:33] <somerville32> Thats because Xubuntu is so stable :P
[04:33] <Ghostvirus> yeah i'm experiencing some problems
[04:34] <somerville32> Which explain why we're talking, haha
[04:34] <somerville32> ;]
[04:34] <Ghostvirus> is xubuntu the red-headed stepchild of the *buntus or what?
[04:34] <somerville32> Something like that
[04:35] <somerville32> Nah
[04:35] <somerville32> I'm just being silly.
[04:35] <Ghostvirus> heh, i first started out on Xubuntu a year ago on 6.06
[04:36] <Ghostvirus> switched to regular Ubuntu a little later, but now i'm back with Xubuntu
[04:36] <somerville32> Our first release :)
[04:37] <Ghostvirus> oh, are you one of the devs?
[04:37] <somerville32> Everyone can be a developer :)
[04:37] <Ghostvirus> i guess you have a point there
[04:37] <Ghostvirus> for some reason, gnome runs like crap on my laptop
[04:38] <Ghostvirus> CPU constantly hits the roof
[04:38] <Jester45> because ... its gnome
[04:38] <Ghostvirus> xfce is a bit better
[04:39] <Ghostvirus> i'm running a dell inspiron 5100, 2.4 ghz pentium 4, 768 MB RAM, 64 MB radeon 7500
[04:39] <cheeseboy> no help in here
[04:40] <Jester45> cheeseboy, what are you talking about?
[04:40] <cheeseboy> ive asked question 10 times today
[04:40] <cheeseboy> my period key doesnt work how i set to a different key?
[04:40] <Jester45> xmodmap might help
[04:40] <mindframe> i cant get my panel to show up properly after messing around with dual display configuration... im using my laptop without another monitor and it wont show my panel.  how do i get it back?
[04:41] <Jester45> mindframe, check the process manager to make sure its not running
[04:41] <cheeseboy> Jester45, whats that?
[04:41] <mindframe> to make sure whats not running?
[04:41] <Jester45> cheeseboy, it can map your keys
[04:41] <Jester45> mindframe, the panel the process will be xfce4-panel
[04:42] <Jester45> if its runnning then you need to config the panel if not thne you will first have to start it
[04:42] <mindframe> ah, its not running.  why wouldnt it have started?
[04:42] <cheeseboy> Jester45, how i map my period key to right alt key?
[04:43] <Jester45> cheeseboy, check google it should know be more help than me or try man xmodmap
[04:43] <cheeseboy> whys this so complicated
[04:44] <Ghostvirus> i have a cosmetic problem at the moment: for some reason, my mouse cursors don't show up. I get the default old Apple-like mouse cursor
[04:44] <Jester45> mindframe, sometimes it just happens im not sure why, press alt+F2 then run xfce4-panel
[04:44] <mindframe> Jester45,  if i saved the session while it was not running and logged out would it do that?
[04:44] <Jester45> cheeseboy, because normal keyboards dont have a broken button
[04:44] <Jester45> mindframe, yes
[04:44] <mindframe> im not fond of xfce's session saving feature
[04:45] <Jester45> mindframe, you can turn it off
[04:45] <cheeseboy> Jester45, i dont understand anything in the manual
[04:45] <Jester45> cheeseboy, then try google, i only know how to use it to map unused keys
[04:46] <cheeseboy> ive looked
[04:46] <cheeseboy> q
[04:46] <mindframe> got it, thanks Jester45
[04:46] <mindframe> i guess its enabled by default and it saved some ancient session
[04:46] <Jester45> mindframe, menu -> settings -> session and startup -> uncheck automatically save session on logout
[04:47] <cheeseboy> all i find is app settings keybord but its not there
[04:47] <Ghostvirus> so uh, anyone now why my chosen mouse theme won't show up?
[04:47] <kalikiana_> Ghostvirus, known, common issue. Tried to restart/ reboot?
[04:47] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, maybe a broken theme? or in compatible one
[04:48] <Ghostvirus> the themes themselves are fine. doesn't matter what theme i choose. i've tried restarting xfce, rebooting, etc. nothing works
[04:49] <Jester45> mindframe, you can have the session chooser and make diffrent sessions. like a beryl one or non beryl one or somthing else
[04:49] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, so it does this on the default session
[04:49] <Ghostvirus> the same themes worked fine on gnome, and on xfce, but suddenly stopped working the other day
[04:49] <Ghostvirus> Jester45, yes
[04:50] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, so they dont show... but you can click on things
[04:51] <Ghostvirus> oh, i can see the cursors just fine, they simply appear as the default X11 cursors (i think). they look a lot like the old mac mouse cursors
[04:52] <Ghostvirus> heh, well i haven't used a mac since like os 8 or 9
[04:53] <Ghostvirus> i'm pretty sure they're the default x11 cursors
[04:53] <Jester45> i dont know what to tell you
[04:54] <Ghostvirus> it's very strange :/
[04:54] <Jester45> maybe search for a bug
[04:57] <Ghostvirus> hm, my Xcursor.xrdb file says the cursor theme is selected
[04:58] <Ghostvirus> bugs bugs bugs...
[05:00] <Ghostvirus> here's the kicker: when i hover over my firefox window, the correct cursor theme shows up
[05:01] <Jester45> ooo
[05:02] <Jester45> waht version are you running
[05:02] <Jester45> of xubuntu
[05:02] <Ghostvirus> 7.04
[05:02] <Ghostvirus> oh ho, seems i'm not the only one who's run into this bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=420563
[05:03] <Ghostvirus> a shame no one responded to the guy :/
[05:04] <Jester45> try reporting a bug
[05:04] <Jester45> im not sure what you would put it under
[05:06] <Ghostvirus> hmm
[05:07] <Ghostvirus> yeah i'm skulking around launchpad right now
[05:07] <Ghostvirus> i really want to work out a usable desktop under xubuntu because gnome just runs like a dog on my laptop
[05:08] <gneale> I'm liking xubuntu alot at this time
[05:14] <somerville32> :)
[05:16] <Ghostvirus> well i filed a bug report
[05:17] <Ghostvirus> first time i've ever done that
[05:18] <somerville32> :)
[05:18] <somerville32> You might want to join the xubuntu-users team if you'd like
[05:19] <Ghostvirus> what's that?
[05:25] <somerville32> Ghostvirus: A launchpad team
[05:26] <Ghostvirus> ah i see
[05:26] <Ghostvirus> so has anyone used any other xfce-based distros?
[05:28] <Ghostvirus> zenwalk looked interesting but it looks a little advanced for me
[05:28] <somerville32> I haven't, no
[05:28] <somerville32> But I imagine I will in my attempt to improve Xubuntu
[05:29] <Ghostvirus> yeah, zenwalk seems like the only big xfce-based distro
[05:29] <Ghostvirus> but it's slackware-based, and i'm way too much of a noob for that
[05:31] <Ghostvirus> then there's dreamlinux, but that has that horrible wannabe-os x vibe to it
[05:34] <Ghostvirus> huh, #xfce is dead too
[05:38] <somerville32> lol
[05:38] <somerville32> It is bedtime! : P
[05:39] <Jester45> debian gentoo both have xfce
[05:39] <Ghostvirus> bah! it's only 11:40 PM on the east coast
[05:39] <Jester45> only 10:40 in the midwest
[05:39] <Ghostvirus> well i know you can install xfce on pretty much any distro, but i was talking about distros that use it by default
[05:40] <Jester45> somerville32, lives in the atlantic ocean
[05:40] <Jester45> :0 its 12:40 there
[05:48] <Jester45> is it just me or are there less updates than edgy?
[05:48] <Jester45> in feisty
[05:48] <Ghostvirus> you mean xubuntu specifically?
[05:50] <Ghostvirus> to me it feels like xubuntu doesn't get the same amount of attention that ubuntu/kubuntu get when it comes to polish
[05:50] <Jester45> ubuntu has more updates because gnome gets more updates
[05:50] <Jester45> i think it gets less attention to detail/bugs
[05:51] <Jester45> because more people use ubuntu
[05:51] <Jester45> xubuntu is looked at as a "for old machines" distro by a lot of people
[05:52] <Ghostvirus> any idea what installing xubuntu-desktop over an ubuntu installation is like?
[05:52] <Ghostvirus> i'm curious if it would perform better or worse than a regular xubuntu install
[05:52] <Jester45> its.... like having gnome and a slower xfce
[05:52] <Jester45> o and super bloated menus
[05:53] <Ghostvirus> damn...
[05:53] <Jester45> you can remove the gnome parts if you want
[05:53] <Jester45> or.. install a server version on ubuntu then install xubuntu-desktop
[05:54] <Ghostvirus> i'm really tempted to try out zenwalk but i'm too new to linux to deal with a slackware-based distro
[05:56] <Ghostvirus> ubuntu's repos are top-notch too
[05:57] <somerville33> :)
[06:00] <Ghostvirus> i just hope xubuntu starts getting more polish before each release
[06:01] <somerville33> Thats how it works :)
[06:01] <somerville33> You're welcome to help out too : )
[06:01] <Ghostvirus> yeah, i'd like to, but i've only been messing around with linux for a year
[06:02] <somerville33> No problem :)
[06:02] <somerville33> http://xubuntu.org/devel
[06:03] <somerville33> There are steps that you can take right now even to get you moving in that direction
[06:03] <somerville33> Signing up with launchpad was the first step :)
[06:04] <Ghostvirus> yeah, i suppose i'll have to look into this stuff
[06:04] <Ghostvirus> brb
[06:09] <Ghostvirus> had to boot back into windoze
[06:10] <Ghostvirus> i do a lot of photoshop work, so you know what that means...
[06:11] <somerville33> Gimp works great :)
[06:12] <Ghostvirus> gimp is okay, but lacks a lot of the features and user-friendliness photoshop has
[06:13] <Ghostvirus> which isn't to say i'm a photoshop fanboy. i'm sticking with photoshop 7. i don't need any of the junk adobe's trying to push in the newest versions
[06:13] <somerville33> Talk to TheSheep when he is awake sometime
[06:13] <somerville33> He does a ton of that kind of stuff
[06:13] <somerville33> Pretty sure in Linux
[06:15] <Jester45> hummm what was his site
[06:15] <Ghostvirus> well there was this app called "Pixel" which everyone was excited about, and was really pretty nice, but the ONE guy that is coding it seems to be AWOL
[06:15] <Jester45> its was soming thing with sheep art
[06:16] <Jester45> Ghostvirus, have you tried gimpshop?
[06:16] <Jester45> it makes the gimp more like photoshop
[06:16] <Ghostvirus> i tried gimpshop, but it's really just gimp with the menus rearranged and all that
[06:17] <Jester45> yes, to be more like photoshop
[06:17] <Jester45> its a good way to transition
[06:17] <Jester45> so you can first learn the tools, then layout
[06:17] <Ghostvirus> maybe, but photoshop has too many features that gimp doesn't have for me to switch over
[06:18] <Ghostvirus> like bundling layers, for one
[06:18] <Ghostvirus> trust me, if i could drop photoshop for something else, i would
[06:18] <Jester45> grouping them?
[06:19] <Ghostvirus> yeah, i could figure out a way to group layers
[06:19] <Ghostvirus> *couldn't
[06:19] <Jester45> im not sure if you can
[06:20] <Ghostvirus> pixel was pretty much a photoshop clone for various OSes, but development seems to have ground to a halt
[06:24] <Chikubu> anyone use xara?
[06:25] <Ghostvirus> no, how is it?
[06:29] <Chikubu> lol i was wondering the same, im downloading now, i have another faster system im still configuring to try it on
[06:30] <Chikubu> the open source version is still .70 beta or thereabouts, was hoping for input
[06:30] <Chikubu> be nice to find a good illustrator replacement
[06:30] <Chikubu> claims to be MUCH faster
[06:31] <Ghostvirus> yeah i don't do any vector graphics work, but i've seen some amazing stuff done with inkscape
[06:38] <Ghostvirus> alright folks, bed time for me
[08:51] <ruks> i use azureus to dl torrents and i need to burn the .bin file as an image.....i dont know how im new to linux and am using feisty fawn,gnomebaker is my burning program,when i go to tools and burn cd image,it doesnt list the .bin file as a burnable cd image,is there a way i can burn the .bin as an image?
[08:56] <ruks> can anyone help me
[09:04] <somerville33> One second please
[09:06] <somerville33> It says it supports burning Cue/Bin files
[09:37] <Smygis> ruks, If everythin else fails, Use bchunk to convert it to a ISO file.
[11:07] <siimo> hi i have like 7 reiserfs partitions and they are all showing up on the desktop of xubuntu even though they are not mounted and i dont want them there how do i remove them?  i commented them out in fstab but they are still there
[11:39] <case__> hello
[11:40] <case__> we're having trouble here to print utf-8 documents with mousepad, any clue how we could solve that issue?
[12:38] <GI_James> Hi everyone, I'm having a hard time getting my wireless card working...
[12:39] <GI_James> it's supported on madwifi, it will work, but seems like I can't get it to connect
[12:42] <GI_James> can anyone around assist w/ wireless issue?
[03:13] <NoLimits> hi
[03:13] <NoLimits> Xubuntu install Gnome ?
[03:37] <Jester45> could anyone suggest a version of xubuntu for me to set up for someone that doesnt do much other than mail and some web browsing. i dont want to have him upgrading to a new version so i was thinking dapper, but then i tought when it does loose support its going to be really outdated so i figured he could get feisty and i could upgrade it every other version.
[03:38] <pleia2> if they're just doing mail and some web browsing, does the out-datedness of dapper matter that much?
[03:39] <case__> i would suggest the last release available (so, feisty)
[03:40] <Jester45> i guess not, but this is the first of linux he will have and i would like to show him what i like best. the auto updates and easy upgrades to the new version
[03:41] <pleia2> probably want to use feisty then
[03:41] <case__> there is a real gap in the features compared to dapper, the upgrade to a new version is a non issue thanks to apt... for anybody with less than 100 box to manage, i would suggest the last available. always.
[03:41] <case__> but if it's a first linux experience, why xubuntu?
[03:41] <Jester45> well... i need to burn a live cd and make sure hi hardware is supported. I dont feel like troubleshooting it for him
[03:41] <case__> (i'm not trolling)
[03:43] <Jester45> case__, first, i like xubuntu and i know it. second, it was my first experience and i cant seem to use any other for a long time with out coming back to xubuntu
[03:45] <case__> from my point of view (and experience with average joe), xubuntu is fine for people who were using old school unix window manager and what to keep that kind of look and feel in a modern environnement. but for people comming from windows or mac, i will go with ubuntu, if the hardware allow it.
[03:45] <Jester45> im not to sure of his hardware, but i can guess that it will be a but sluggish on ubuntu
[03:46] <case__> that's a point.
[03:46] <Jester45> i *think* he is running winME
[03:46] <Jester45> i know it has the classic look. and its not xp
[03:47] <case__> you know that even with xubuntu you need 256MB of ram to go with the live CD installation...
[03:47] <Jester45> he wants me to try to speed it up some because its gotten slow. so i need to make some discspace and defrag it.
[03:48] <Jester45> so i thought i would ask him if he would go with linux
[03:48] <Jester45> yea... i want to test with live cd and install with alternative. (im much faster in alt than live cd)
[03:48] <case__> ok
[03:48] <Jester45> i think he has 256 or somewhere arong that
[03:49] <Jester45> i dont think it has 512 because its not that new and im pretty sure he didnt upgrade it
[03:50] <case__> but if he use winME, he may have 128 as well...
[03:51] <Jester45> i dont think it does just from using it but i will have to look
[03:52] <ryan__> feisty has better hardware support than dapper right
[03:52] <ryan__> im Jester45
[03:53] <ryan__> lost connection
[03:54] <case__> and if i recall right, there were some uge performance improvements in gtk/pango/etc... after the dapper release, so feisty should go faster even on old hardware
[03:55] <ryan__> i have to disagree
[03:55] <ryan__> i think xubuntu was faster on dapper
[03:56] <ryan__> hehe #ubuntu has more people than #debian in it
[03:56] <ryan__> and gentoo but... thats a totaly diffrent distro
[03:56] <case__> ok, i haven't tried the dapper version of xubuntu
[04:12] <ruks>  i use azureus to dl torrents and i need to burn the .bin file as an image.....i dont know how im new to linux and am using feisty fawn,gnomebaker is my burning program,when i go to tools and burn cd image,it doesnt list the .bin file as a burnable cd image,is there a way i can burn the .bin as an image?
[04:18] <case__> ruks, open a terminal, and type : file <your .bin file> , if it says "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem....", it's ready to be burned (you can even rename it to .iso)
[04:20] <ruks> ok ill try that
[04:21] <case__> file (try to) gives you the real type of the file, whatever the extention says
[04:23] <ruks> type the whole file name?cuz its really long lol
[04:23] <ruks> with or without spaces?
[04:24] <case__> i think you can drag and drop the file to the terminal and it will write the full path by itself
[04:25] <case__> by the way, yes you need the full path
[04:26] <case__> or you can right click in the directerory of the file and choose "open a terminal here"
[04:29] <ruks> its not workin :(
[04:30] <case__> you're not doing it right :)
[04:30] <ruks> lol sorry kinda new to all this
[04:31] <ruks> i cant drag it in there,and i cant right cick and get a terminal option
[04:31] <case__> move it to your desktop if it heps
[04:31] <case__> helps
[04:31] <somerville32> Whats up?
[04:33] <ryan__> you can use tab completion
[04:34] <Jester45> so /path/to/bin/fillealdsjfgneriugnlfgknfglafdgafg.bin you can just use tab to finish the path
[04:35] <ruks> ok case ur way it says empty after i put in the file name andhit enter and put my password in
[04:35] <ruks> it says :empty after the file name
[04:39] <ruks> so whats that mean?
[04:48] <case__> why have you typed so it asked you your password???
[04:48] <case__> (this sentence means nothing :)))
[04:48] <ruks> i type sudo file then the file name
[04:49] <case__> you don't need to use sudo
[04:49] <ruks> oh
[04:49] <case__> $ file "/path/to/file withe spaces.bin"
[05:30] <ochosi> hi, i have a 120gb ext hdd from western digital, usb is also power supply. whenever i unmount and then unplug it it makes some strange stopping noise like in the current kernel bug for some laptop-hdds. anyone got an idea what this is or what to do about it?
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> hdparm -Y might make it spin down normally.
[05:35] <ochosi> ok, thanks, i'll give it a shot now
[05:36] <Pumpernickel> (Or sdparm, instead, come to think of it.)
[05:39] <ochosi> hdparm doesn't seem to work
[05:39] <ochosi> seems to be restricted to ide only
[05:41] <mindframe-> how do i cleared saved session information?
[05:41] <mindframe-> *clear
[05:41] <teknoboi> hello everybody
[05:44] <ochosi> @Pumpernickel: ok, don't really understand the man page of sdparm, are you sure it can do the trick of putting the drive to sleep?
[05:46] <ochosi> Pumpernickel: sdparm --command eject /dev/sdb1 gives me a strange error
[05:46] <ochosi> Request Sense cmd: 03 00 00 00 40 00
[05:46] <ochosi>     request sense: requested 64 bytes but got 18 bytes
[05:46] <ochosi>     Start stop unit command: 1b 00 00 00 02 00
[05:46] <ochosi> start stop unit:  Fixed format, current;  Sense key: Illegal Request
[05:46] <ochosi>  Additional sense: Logical block address out of range
[05:46] <ochosi>   Info fld=0x0 [0]
[05:51] <teknoboi> does anyone have any suggestions as far as server software goes for xubuntu (ie. ftp, http, and ssi)?
[05:55] <Ind[y] > The whole thing with the Keyring Manager is just nonsense and should immediately be removed!
[06:04] <maxamillion> teknoboi: hey, how'd the wireless adventure go?
[06:06] <Jester45> hiya maxamillion
[06:07] <maxamillion> Jester45: hi hi
[06:08] <swhalen> Hello...is there any way of doing a network boot of the xubuntu installer?
[06:08] <maxamillion> swhalen: its not entirely specific to Xubuntu, its more of an ubuntu thing (which Xubuntu is technically "a ubuntu") so let me get you a link
[06:10] <maxamillion> swhalen: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntukubuntuedubuntuxubuntu-without-cdrom-drive.html
[06:49] <illu45> I've got a quick question. I'm thinking about putting in a new HD and installing a fresh install of xubuntu on part of it. Any recommendations for which FS to use?
[06:53] <illu45> Hm... noone around?
[06:53] <Merchelo> use what ever
[06:53] <Merchelo> zfs if available
[06:54] <vidd> illu45, i use ext3
[06:54] <illu45> Ah, all right...
[06:55] <illu45> One more thing, is Gutsy somewhat stable now, or is it best to stick to Feisty?
[06:56] <vidd> illu45, currently (to the best of my knowledge) they are identical at this stage....
[06:57] <vidd> however...only get gutsy if you intent to test and break it....
[06:58] <vidd> if you cant test, break, and report...and NEED to be up, then go with fiesty
[06:58] <illu45> Ah, all right
[06:59] <illu45> Thanks for the advice, will probably give Gutsy a try, I don't mind doing a bit of breaking :P
[07:04] <teknoboi> hey max u still here
[07:09] <laserbeak43> hi how do i take a screenshot from xubuntu?
[07:17] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, imagemagick, gimp, panel-plugin... which way do you prefer?
[07:18] <laserbeak43> there's a panel plugin? i have gimp installed but if a panel plugin would be easier...
[07:20] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, Yes, it's called screebshot plugin and should be preinstalled. Just try to add it.
[07:20] <kalikiana> And gimp is indeed to slow for screenshot if you're not editing an image ;)
[07:22] <laserbeak43> ok ok
[07:22] <laserbeak43> just installed it
[07:22] <laserbeak43> how do i use it?
[07:22] <laserbeak43> the screenshot plugin?
[07:24] <laserbeak43> ahh ice
[07:24] <laserbeak43> nice
[07:24] <laserbeak43> added it to the panel
[07:29] <laserbeak43> kalikiana: that did it thanks :)
[07:30] <Kjellviz> hey, i had ubuntu installed, then i installed kde desktop on top, where did all those funky screensavers i had in gnome go ?
[07:30] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, You're welcome :)
[07:31] <Jester45> Kjellviz, i think you are in the wrong channel try #kubuntu or #ubuntu
[07:32] <Kjellviz> lol i thought i had joined kubuntu ^^ sry bout that! :P
[07:35] <laserbeak43> can i not stream .m3u files  in gxine?
[07:37] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: I'm afraid .m3u files are just playlists
[07:37] <laserbeak43> yeah to load stream files or watever
[07:38] <aquo> hi, can you tell me where i can find the xubuntu seeds?
[07:40] <illu45> aquo, for BT?
[07:40] <illu45> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/release/ for Feisty
[07:40] <illu45> Just download the torrent file
[07:41] <aquo> no, i search the garminate input.
[07:41] <laserbeak43> the what?
[07:42] <aquo> aehm germinate
[07:42] <aquo> the germinate input.
[07:42] <aquo> the seeds.
[07:42] <laserbeak43> the seeds?
[07:43] <laserbeak43> torrent seeds?
[07:43] <laserbeak43> i think the torrent client will show you the seeds
[07:43] <laserbeak43> not sure what you mean tho
[07:43] <laserbeak43> sorry
[07:43] <aquo> no, the rule files you need for generating package lists for remastering the install cds
[07:44] <laserbeak43> oh i don't know anything about that sorry :)
[07:44] <musiq> Which program (which fits on a boot disk) should i use to format my entire hard disk, and than create partitions for ubuntu?
[07:44] <aquo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement
[07:45] <illu45> musiq, the ubuntu LiveCD comes with gparted, which should allow you to format your disk and create partitions
[07:46] <illu45> ...I think the Xubuntu LiveCD does too, but I'm not entirely certain, actually.
[07:46] <laserbeak43> i installed from the livecd
[07:47] <illu45> Does the Xubuntu liveCD have gparted as well, or does it use something else?
[07:47] <laserbeak43> aquo:  so you found it?
[07:47] <musiq> And does the Xubuntu alternate-cd have gparted as well? (that(s rhe one i have)
[07:47] <aquo> no, thats for ubuntu
[07:47] <laserbeak43> illu45:  i don't know what it is but it's dead easy to make a dual boot with it
[07:47] <laserbeak43> even imported my xp files
[07:48] <aquo> there must be some seeds for xubuntu too, but i am not too sure.
[07:48] <laserbeak43> aquo: i think the packages are the same, the only diff is the window manage AFAIK
[07:48] <aquo> laserbeak43: the repository is the same, but the content of the install-cds differ
[07:49] <aquo> i want to remaster ubuntu cds with my own package set.
[07:49] <laserbeak43> oh i see your point
[07:49] <aquo> but documentation is cruel
[07:49] <laserbeak43> hehe
[07:50] <aquo> is there something like an xubuntu developer channel?
[07:50] <aquo> -n
[07:51] <laserbeak43> no idea
[07:51] <kalikiana> aquo, Sure, #xubuntu-devel
[07:52] <laserbeak43> cool
[07:53] <laserbeak43> so can someone tell me how come i can't stream using .m3u? i can with just about any media player in, dare i say it?(windows)
[07:53] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, What players did you try?
[07:53] <kalikiana> ^^ on linux, that is.
[07:53] <laserbeak43> just the one that's installed gxine
[07:54] <laserbeak43> :p
[07:54] <kalikiana> Try audacious or something else which is more mature.
[07:54] <laserbeak43> oh ok cool
[07:57] <laserbeak43> kalikiana: wicked
[07:57] <laserbeak43> thanks
[07:58] <laserbeak43> winamp clone :)
[07:58] <laserbeak43> ish
[07:58] <laserbeak43> ok next question
[07:58] <laserbeak43> for 1000 points
[07:58] <kalikiana> You can even reuse about every skin :D
[07:58] <laserbeak43> :P
[07:58] <laserbeak43> winamp skins???
[07:58] <kalikiana> Yes.
[07:58] <laserbeak43> niiiiiice
[07:58] <laserbeak43> how do i get dual monitors running on an intel computer
[07:59] <laserbeak43> :P
[07:59] <laserbeak43> intel graphics cared i mean
[07:59] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, xinerama?
[07:59] <laserbeak43> dell lattitude d520
[07:59] <TheSheep> !xinerama | laserbeak43
[07:59] <ubotu> laserbeak43: xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[07:59] <kalikiana> Acutally I don't have more than one lcd at home. :'/
[07:59] <laserbeak43> nice
[07:59] <laserbeak43> well i have one lcd one crt :P
[08:00] <TheSheep> kalikiana: wyse terminal connected via rs232 comes in handy ;)
[08:00] <kalikiana> TheSheep, :P
[08:00] <laserbeak43> rs232/
[08:01] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, If you have a crt, *your* eyes hurt. ;)
[08:01] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: com port
[08:01] <laserbeak43> oh
[08:02] <laserbeak43> kalikiana: actualy i like crt better than lcd
[08:02] <laserbeak43> my eyes feel like holes are being melted into them with lcd
[08:03] <kalikiana> laserbeak43, You're possibly one of the people who don't notice frequencies that much. I think not everyone is sensible about 10Hz changes like me. :/
[08:03] <laserbeak43> i notice them sometimes
[08:03] <laserbeak43> a lot lately actualy
[08:03] <laserbeak43> but my eyes are really bad anyway
[08:04] <kalikiana> My eyes hurt with anything < 75 Hz, 85 Hz is about okay.
[08:12] <Jester45> the tricky part is guessing when to change grub to windows :)
[08:12] <Jester45> when the tv isnt working because windows hasnt started
[08:13] <laserbeak43> Jester45: lolol
[08:13] <laserbeak43> that must suck bigtime
[08:13] <laserbeak43> how can u read fonsts on your tv??
[08:13] <Jester45> hdtv :) not that bad at thatres
[08:14] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:14] <laserbeak43> would you be able to see fonts on the plasma?
[08:15] <Jester45> im guessing i could see them better
[08:15] <laserbeak43> i would never be able to read a thing if i used a computer on my tv
[08:15] <Jester45> i watch videos on it
[08:15] <Jester45> and play asteroids
[08:15] <Jester45> er xoids :)
[08:21] <laserbeak43> LOL
[08:22] <Jester45> xoids is better
[08:22] <laserbeak43> xoids?
[08:22] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:22] <laserbeak43> asteroids?
[08:22] <laserbeak43> no thanks
[08:22] <laserbeak43> :P
[08:22] <Jester45> yep
[08:23] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:23] <Jester45> its a clasic
[08:23] <laserbeak43> i'll give it that :P
[08:23] <Jester45> or if you wanna get fancy try out chromium
[08:23] <laserbeak43> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium
[08:23] <laserbeak43> :P
[08:24] <Jester45> i have a flash version of umm... whats the name... space invaders? where the alien sucide down
[08:24] <Jester45> and you have this little tank and just goes left or right
[08:24] <Jester45> and can hide behind 4 things in the air
[08:24] <laserbeak43> omg
[08:25] <laserbeak43> i remember playing that in like 84
[08:25] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:25] <Jester45> i have paperboy also
[08:25] <Jester45> that game strange
[08:25] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:26] <laserbeak43> yeah
[08:26] <Jester45> oo
[08:26] <Jester45> there is png
[08:27] <Jester45> pong
[08:27] <laserbeak43> classic
[08:27] <laserbeak43> i could stay awake for half of one round
[08:27] <Jester45> and my most time wasting thing tremulous
[08:30] <laserbeak43> tremulous??
[08:30] <laserbeak43> never hearda it :P
[08:45] <laserbeak43> whats the syntax for sudo in terminal?
[08:45] <blizz> sudo get me a beer
[08:46] <laserbeak43> lol
[08:47] <laserbeak43> lol seriously
[08:47] <laserbeak43> is it sudo "password"?
[08:47] <Jester45> no its
[08:47] <Jester45> sudo "command"
[08:47] <Jester45> then it ask for the pass if needed
[08:48] <Jester45> sudo has a password timeout of 5 mins
[08:48] <Jester45> or somthing close to 5 mins
[08:49] <laserbeak43> cause i'm tyring to install something with sh and it eventualy asks me for my password but when i put it itn it's wrong for some reason
[08:50] <Jester45> are you putting in your root pass
[08:51] <laserbeak43> Jester45: yes
[08:51] <laserbeak43> and the password works for everything else
[08:52] <Jester45> is it asking you only when you use sudo
[08:54] <kali|c> laserbeak43, You *could* configure gksu to ask for a root pass. :P
[08:55] <laserbeak43> how would i do that?
[09:00] <kali|c> laserbeak43, You should read the manpage of gksu or something, I don't know that by heart. ;)
[09:02] <laserbeak43> kali|c: ok thanks ;)
[09:02] <kali|c> yw
[09:10] <laserbeak43> when i type in my password in terminal, the cursor doesn't move. i think this is regular behavior but i'm not sure.
[09:12] <kali|c> laserbeak43, Yes, password inputs inside terminals are usually hidden.
[09:25] <laserbeak43> kali|c: ahh a root password was never set so i had to create one
[09:26] <kali|c> kali|c, Yep, ubuntu tries to 'persuade' you to use sudo. *g
[09:27] <TheSheep> which turns out ot be a pretty good habit, most of the time
[09:27] <laserbeak43> can i install libgtk-1.2.so.0 and glibc-2.1 without it interfereing with my other installations?
[09:28] <kali|c> TheSheep, Yes, keeps you from being root too much - although there is 'su -c' as well. ;)
[09:28] <TheSheep> and sudo -s
[09:28] <kali|c> :P
[09:29] <kali|c> And there is a rabbit making mochi on the moon.  ~('-')~
[09:29] <kali|c> hi maxamillion :)
[09:30] <gerro> how would I go about using the k7 kernel and nvidia-glx-new?
[09:34] <maxamillion> hello kali|c
[09:36] <gerro> when I try apt-get install linux-k7 it installs the crappy nvidia drivers that don't work with my newer card so I have to install nvidia-new-glx but that removes linux-k7 because nvidia old isn't installed...
[09:36] <gerro> nvidia-glx-new I mean
[09:37] <gerro> a better idea how do I make it so apt-get doesn't even know which card I have
[09:37] <gerro> it pisses me off to no end :(
[09:39] <Jester45> remove the card :0
[09:43] <gerro> i removed every kernel restricted module and graphics driver it had then did apt-get install linux-k7 nvidia-glx-new... hmm if I get a xorg crash I'm going to try forcing it to use custom compiled nvidia drivers by manually locating directories and deleting
[09:45] <gerro> and.. crash.. 7184 is older than 9755..
[10:19] <mikeconcepts>  Using Xubuntu...I'd appreciate a link to a howto for the best way to achieve  network connectivity to windows boxes on my network
[10:25] <maxamillion> mikeconcepts: what kind of network connectivity?
[10:26] <mikeconcepts> access shares on windows
[10:26] <mikeconcepts> from xubuntu
[10:26] <maxamillion> mikeconcepts: there really isn't an easy way to do it at the moment, that is something that is being worked on for the next release
[10:27] <maxamillion> mikeconcepts: if you google for "xubuntu+samba+browse" there are a few tutorials
[10:27] <mikeconcepts> have accomplished by installing smb, creating a /mnt, but after a reboot I have to establish mount again
[10:28] <mikeconcepts> would like something better
[10:28] <mikeconcepts> maxamillion, thanks, will check them all out
[10:29] <maxamillion> mikeconcepts: that's an easy fix though, just make a bash script to establish the mount connection and then make it run in your xfce auto-start applications list and then you won't have to bother with it anymore :)
[10:29] <mikeconcepts> maxamillion, that it what I'll do, thanks
[10:35] <maxamillion> mikeconcepts: anytime :)
[10:49] <WalrusKing> OracleGD.com - OracleGD.com - OracleGD.com - OracleGD.com
[11:18] <reaVer> pointless:P
[11:19] <TheSheep> reaVer: maybe, maybe not
[11:19] <reaVer> he got K-lined
[11:19] <reaVer> he won't be back
[11:20] <TheSheep> ah, great
[11:20] <reaVer> 23:46 -!- WalrusKing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [K-lined]
[11:20] <TheSheep> didn't notice it :)
[11:20] <TheSheep> reaVer: thanks
[11:21] <reaVer> np:P


[10:35] <xu-irc39wAnn> Hello, could I get some help installing GIMP on Xubuntu?
[10:37] <gnrp> xu-irc39wAnn: What is your quetsion?
[10:37] <gnrp> !ask
[10:37] <gnrp> xu-irc39wAnn: it should be quite easy actually. Just run in a terminal            sudo apt install gimp
[10:52] <oerheks> sudo snap install gimp
[16:52] <markup> Hey everyone, quick question. How do I replace the installer initial logo for xubuntu? I replaced the plymouth theme (default and script), it works but not for the installer... so installing shows xubuntu... booting show my custom logo. Thoughts? Am I missing anything? Thanks for any help.


[12:35] <xandey> Hi Kernel Team, I'm trying to bisect a bug which is in ubuntu releases, but doesn't show up in mainline builds. Is there some way to get the git history back to a mainline build? I can't seem to find this history in ubuntu-bionic.git
[12:38] <cascardo> xandey: you can use the 4.15 tag, and the Ubuntu-4.15.0-* tags
[12:46] <xandey> cassardo: ah, i was looking for v4.15.17. Also, I wasn't able to build commits which have labels like "UBUNTU: Ubuntu-4.15.0-4.5" but aren't actually tagged... is it possible this is some sort of rebase or toolchain change?
[12:47] <xandey> cassardo: some of them ask me to change config options when following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[13:15] <cascardo> xandey: yes, very likely a rebase
[13:15] <cascardo> during development, those kernels are based on rc releases
[13:16] <cascardo> further down the stable pipeline, you will more likely see kernels all based on v4.15
[13:16] <cascardo> and fast-forward, all of those reachable from the master branch, at least after the GA kernel
[13:17] <cascardo> but as we are so close to GA, the oldest one you will find is Ubuntu-4.15.0-9.10
[13:27] <xandey> caascardo: right, I confirmed that I get the issue with 4.15.0-9.10 (building myself and downloading prebuilt from launchpad). However, I don't see the issue in any of the mainline built kernels 4.15.0-rc1, 4.15.17, 4.17.0-rc6.
[13:30] <xandey> cascardo: I guess i'm looking to see if there's any more narrowing I can do at this point. But perhaps this is as good as I can do here, and it's time to try and debug directly.
[13:34] <cascardo> what's the issue? did you report a bug already?
[13:34] <xandey> yeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1768139
[13:35] <xandey> it's a kernel crash when a dell laptop is connected to hdmi and boots up, but only with ubuntu kernel
[13:35] <xandey> i was trying to do the rebase for the bug report
[13:35] <xandey> sorry, *bisect*
[13:36] <xandey> although I didn't see that last comment yet
[13:52] <cascardo> xandey: you don't happen to have a Thinkpad X1, do you?
[13:57] <xandey> nope, dell insprion 15
[13:58] <xandey> cascardo: Dell Inspiron 7559
[14:17] <cascardo> ok, i915 change in 4.15.0-9 was related to X1 only
[14:40] <xandey> well, it's not that I narrowed it down to 4.15.0-9, it's only that that's as far back as I was able to build.
[14:42] <xandey> Oh, looking back at my notes, it looks like I also managed to test 4.15.0-1_4.15.0-1.2 which asked me to change some cofig options, but also displayed the issue.
[14:45] <xandey> I could try reverting dc0f16f9b5084e6be2b8c79f8c6cd499a3451791 which appears to be the only change between 4.15 and  4.15.0-1_4.15.0-1.2 in drivers/gpu/drm/i915
[14:47] <xandey> but I don't see that as a difference between the 4.15.17 from linux-stable and 4.15.0-24
[14:50] <xandey> anyway, I don't mean to take up your time with a low priority bug, I just thought perhaps I was missing something with the build setup.
[15:09] <cascardo> looking at the stack trace and the diff, it's hard to think this would be specific to ubuntu kernels
[15:10] <cascardo> did you try our mainline builds?
[15:11] <xandey> yes, I tried the ones from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D I also built the mainline myself
[15:11] <xandey> maybe some sort of module packaging difference?
[15:14] <cascardo> well, enabling some drm debug could help
[15:15] <xandey> could you direct me a bit there?
[15:16] <xandey> drm.debug=0xe on kernel command line?
[15:17] <cascardo> something like that, let me look at the interesting bits of i915 and see which flag would trigger them
[15:23] <cascardo> =0x4
[15:23] <cascardo> KMS seems to have most of it
[15:35] <xandey> okay, i'll try that
[16:42] <xandey> cascardo: I grabbed two traces of the log, I think it will take me a while to puzzle out them. I posted them to the bug.
[17:30] <cascardo> xandey: thanks
[17:38] <xandey> cascardo: no problem


[04:57] <Shawn186> why no one speaking?
[09:00] <pelican> I had issues with light-locker making the font invisible (on and off) after a screen lock in ~5 years now. Can't find any bug reports - would like to resolve that issue for good.
[09:03] <shawn196|R40> oy
[09:04] <shawn196|R40> "modprobe: FATAL: Module irda0 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-36-generic"
[09:04]  * shawn196|R40 facepalms
[09:16] <pelican> yup happened again - have to close down session completely
[09:40] <Guest7358> what is login and password for lubuntu please ?
[09:46] <leszek> wow he waited for 1 minute xD
[10:40] <shawn196|R40> Howdy sleepers
[10:40] <shawn196|R40> anyone in here kno how to get irda communication with palm os devices working?
[11:57] <skywalker> anyone know of an xbox360 controller driver that works
[11:58] <skywalker> xboxdrv caused issues with system
[16:31] <lapion> hello how can I disable and remove zram on a running system ?
[16:38] <lapion> even when the devices are removed wiith systemctl the ram is still not released


[00:20] <tjubaluba> is here some sort of gnome log? im having problems starting programs from the menues
[00:46] <JanC> tjubaluba: ~/.xsession-errors might have something useful
[10:09] <slomo> didrocks: hi :) do you have any ideas why the xvid configure check here fails but doesn't in my maverick chroot? :P i assume there's no way to get the config.log from the buildd? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad-multiverse0.10
[17:27] <jenkins> hi, i am working on an application that needs to change a users resolution. how do i go about getting the users current display setup? the application is quickshot which aims to collect consistent screenshots across multiple computers
[17:47] <OwaisL> hey, I uploaded my first ever package to REVU today. Got some errors warnings, anyone got time to guide me through? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8582
[18:01] <and471> OwaisL, try #ubuntu-motu, they will have all the people and expertise to help
[18:04] <OwaisL> and471: Oh man.. i thought i was on ubuntu-motu. :P
[18:04] <OwaisL> lame
[18:04] <and471> OwaisL, no problem :)
[19:03] <lucidfox> I wonder if bug #631018 is going to be closed as "Don't bug Ubuntu with your personal issues"
[19:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631018 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Tomboy 1.3.2-1ubuntu3 has a hard dependency on Ubuntu One (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631018
[19:10] <micahg> lucidfox: it probably should have been recommends, not depends
[19:12] <lucidfox> I actually have another ":( hard dependency, ideological issues" problem
[19:12] <lucidfox> indicator-me depends on gwibber-service
[19:13] <Laney> no I agree with that bug
[19:13] <Laney> they should make that into a separate plugin
[19:13] <micahg> lucidfox: well, I'd stick with the debian policy manual reasoning
[19:13] <lucidfox> micahg> oh?
[19:13] <Laney> see bug 620640
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620640 in tomboy (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Crash on selection of UbuntuOne synchronisation preference (affects: 8) (dups: 5) (heat: 62)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620640
[19:14] <micahg> lucidfox: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html <-- section 7.2
[19:15] <chrisccoulson> it has to be a depends for the websync plugin to work though doesn't it?
[19:15] <Laney> right
[19:15] <Laney> but there's no reason for the plugin to be a part of the main tomboy package
[19:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, but the main package can work w/out the plugin
[19:15] <micahg> Laney's idea is better :)
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i was getting at ;)
[19:26] <lucidfox> Oh, there already is bug #627400
[19:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627400 in indicator-me "indicator-me should not depend on gwibber (affects: 2) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627400
[21:00] <tjubaluba> ikonia, It feels very dirty .. but yo're right.. better than something else i guess


[01:20] <pleia2> daker: yeah, so I nudged IS about the rss feeds not updating since May, and that nudged them into checking things otherwise :)
[01:21] <tsimonq2> pleia2: so IS responded, http://askubuntu.com/questions/127167/how-do-i-enable-scroll-lock
[01:21] <tsimonq2> whoops
[01:21] <pleia2> hee
[01:21] <tsimonq2> (helping someone in a PM :D)
[01:21] <pleia2> tsimonq2: right, just saw daker's comment above
[01:21] <tsimonq2> oh
[01:21] <tsimonq2> okay
[01:21] <tsimonq2> :)
[01:21] <tsimonq2> also
[01:22] <tsimonq2> I tried to fix the blog issue mentioned, but I have no way to locally run the blog thing locally, the instructions are outdated and I'm clueless :)
[01:22] <tsimonq2> weird outdated Python modules
[01:22] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:22] <tsimonq2> personally, I would support moving to Trusty
[01:22] <tsimonq2> for the server
[01:22] <pleia2> yeah, so the instructions are for 12.04, and according to IS that's what they upgraded the server to back in June (and might have broken RSS in the process)
[01:23] <tsimonq2> pleia2: look at what the READMEs say:
[01:23] <tsimonq2> # These version numbers have been copied from the packages on our Ubuntu Lucid
[01:23] <tsimonq2> # deployment machine.
[01:23] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:24] <tsimonq2> so idk
[01:24] <tsimonq2> maybe d a k e r needs to update the instructions
[01:24] <tsimonq2> that, or someone with a few hours to kill and the experience
[01:24] <pleia2> when you say blog thing, do you mean http://princessleia.com/journal/2012/09/local-loco-team-portal-install/ ?
[01:25] <tsimonq2> well I can run it
[01:25] <pleia2> that specifically was written for 12.04, and worked when I wrote it at the time
[01:26] <pleia2> it is kind of a made easy version of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/view/head:/INSTALL
[01:26] <pleia2> but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's bitrot over the years
[01:26] <tsimonq2> *sigh*
[01:26] <tsimonq2> it was just working :/
[01:27] <tsimonq2>  /o\ very old django version
[01:29] <pleia2> yeah :\
[01:29]  * tsimonq2 redownloads
[01:29] <pleia2> it's been a long time
[01:29] <tsimonq2> yeah I just had it working before
[01:29] <tsimonq2> no blog thing on the homepage though :.
[01:29] <pleia2> likely need to recruit some more folks with django experience to get things going again
[01:29] <tsimonq2> yeah
[01:29] <tsimonq2> d a k e r?
[01:30] <pleia2> oh, I know what you mean by blog thing now, you're right, I don't think I ever got that working either
[01:30] <pleia2> we shouldn't continue to overload him with this
[01:30] <tsimonq2> I agree
[01:30] <pleia2> need new folks
[01:30] <pleia2> he can help, but I'd hate to launch this again with him as the only dev
[01:30] <tsimonq2> we have Mr. Bacon and Mr. olbach in the authors file :D
[01:30] <tsimonq2> yeah I agree
[01:30] <tsimonq2> *Holback
[01:30] <tsimonq2> **Holbach
[01:30] <tsimonq2> there!
[01:30] <tsimonq2> :D
[01:31] <pleia2> no no, *new* people :)
[01:31] <pleia2> he is very old (haha)
[01:31] <tsimonq2> *sigh* pass me the manual
[01:31] <tsimonq2> :D
[01:31] <pleia2> blog, go to social media, find people of the internet
[01:33] <tsimonq2> YAY here we go! :D
[01:34] <tsimonq2> pleia2: http://imgur.com/WF0nYuL so it works, but I have no idea what goes next...
[01:34] <tsimonq2> :/
[01:34] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yay
[01:35] <pleia2> I don't know either, I know nothing about django :)
[01:36] <tsimonq2> \o/ well, weekend project! :D
[01:36] <tsimonq2> well
[01:36] <tsimonq2> hmm
[01:36] <tsimonq2> I'll have to see if I already have a wekend project
[01:36] <tsimonq2> *weekend
[01:36] <tsimonq2>  /o\ oh I do...I'll see what I can learn :D
[01:37]  * tsimonq2 found http://seoblogtip.blogspot.com/2009/04/sams-teach-yourself-django-in-24-hours.html
[01:38] <pleia2> from 2008 :\
[01:38] <tsimonq2> oh
[01:38] <tsimonq2> well
[01:38] <pleia2> might be better to use https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/
[01:38]  * tsimonq2 walks away slowly and finds another one
[01:38] <tsimonq2> OH
[01:38] <tsimonq2> well
[01:38] <tsimonq2> sure :D
[01:38] <pleia2> :)
[01:38] <pleia2> the Tutorials look nice
[01:39] <tsimonq2> yeah totally
[01:40] <tsimonq2> I have to see what homework I have to do, and if it's too much, I'll be off to work on that
[01:43] <tsimonq2> OK /o\ I'm off for the night, o/
[01:43] <pleia2> enjoy
[01:44] <tsimonq2> heh I'll try :)
[04:58] <Kilos> o/
[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:29] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:30] <Kilos> whew hard work these many channels
[18:23] <Kilos> happy birthday mhall119
[18:23] <Kilos> may there be many more even better years ahead
[18:24]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee and throws some confetti around
[18:24] <Kilos> hee hee
[18:24] <Kilos> hi there genii hows things
[18:25] <genii> Kilos: Doing a bit of testing for Kubuntu 16.04, work is slow today. Luckily there is plenty of coffee
[18:26] <Kilos> yay do a good job, i use kde 14.04 and that will be my next install
[18:26] <Kilos> cant wait to see the diffs
[18:42] <Kilos> night all.have a good day


[01:50] <blackboxsw> why did our CI speed improve so much lxd 3.0?
[01:51] <blackboxsw> Run speed before today: LTS: 9min 11s LTS integration: 8min 15s  MAAS Compat: 19min 4s
[01:52] <blackboxsw> run speed today: LTS: 2min 12s LTS integration: 2min 37s MAAS compat: 2min 41s
[02:05] <blackboxsw> looks like 2 mins after cloud-init sbuild completed in https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/970/consoleFull we were running ci-tests   yesterday, https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/964/consoleFull there was generally an 11 minute gap between sbuild completion and citest runs.
[03:02] <powersj> blackboxsw: rharper moved the storage file for lxd onto the nvme, sooo yeah :0
[03:03] <powersj> in the past we have used zfs, which was fast as it, then moved to btrfs currently.
[03:03] <blackboxsw> man that's fast
[03:03] <powersj> the move to the nvme will help everything
[03:03] <powersj> I wish all our systems had at least ssds in them
[14:08] <rharper> powersj: hehe, will be nice when we can switch back to zfs on nvme
[16:19] <rharper> powersj: blackboxsw: pylint will find it (need a pylint newer than what's on xenial, we do in our tox) ; but it needs some help; it doesn't know that the variable is a string: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YkP4QW9qwb/
[16:22] <powersj> wow
[16:23] <rharper> well, the dver comes from a get on a yaml load;  so I *think* I can understand that it doesn't know until runtime what the yaml parsing will return
[16:43] <blackboxsw> weird
[19:42] <blackboxsw> rharper: I'm updating the sru manual test scripts now. and I'll ping when I push them to https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/
[19:42] <blackboxsw> once I have the scripts updated, I'll hit up gce manual validation
[21:15] <rharper> blackboxsw: nice
[21:15] <rharper> I'm back, I can start on ec2 if that's ready
[21:16] <blackboxsw> so far everything is queued for release, but still in unapproved state. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=cloud-init  doesn't look like anyone is around to tick the done status for the upload to succeed into artful & xenial.
[21:16] <blackboxsw> so that part will have to wait until tomorrow.
[21:17] <blackboxsw> but yes we can start manual verification if you can build your own deb.  launch-ec2 (from qa-scripts) could help make that easier on the cmdline
[21:17] <rharper> blackboxsw: did you ping the vanguard in #ubuntu-release ?
[21:17] <rharper> blackboxsw: do you have your .debs  from the sbuild ?
[21:17] <blackboxsw> rharper: I did, only vanguard today was robie or arges,
[21:18] <rharper> oh, huh
[21:18] <blackboxsw> and robie was EOD and arges isn't in channel
[21:18] <rharper> no ? bummer
[21:21] <rharper> blackboxsw: where do you get your awscli ? deb or snap ?
[21:22] <blackboxsw> rharper: I used a deb locally
[21:23] <rharper> on bionic ?
[21:23] <rharper> or xenial ?
[21:23] <blackboxsw> awscli	1.11.13-1ubuntu1~16.04.0
[21:23] <blackboxsw> i
[21:23] <rharper> huh
[21:23] <blackboxsw> either should work
[21:23] <rharper> I only had /usr/bin/aws
[21:23] <blackboxsw> sorry paste fail
[21:24] <rharper> oh, I see, we really only need the ~/.aws/credentials as we're using boto3
[21:25]  * blackboxsw wonders why I still have the deps check on awscli though
[21:25] <rharper> the package name ?
[21:25] <blackboxsw> boto uses it maybe
[21:25] <rharper> maybe
[21:26] <blackboxsw> had I written a helpful comment in the launch-ec2 script I'd know ;)
[21:31] <rharper> blackboxsw: do you have an example launch-ec2 command for testing one of these bugs ?
[21:33] <blackboxsw> rharper: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/blob/master/manual/ec2-sru-<IP_ADDRESS>.txt
[21:34] <rharper> nifty
[21:34]  * blackboxsw needs to stop trying to writeup  the SRU regression upgrade process in qa-scripts/doc
[21:35] <blackboxsw> I'll push what I have over there
[21:35] <rharper> thx
[21:35] <rharper> and the .deb as well
[21:35] <rharper> and I can start running through the list
[21:35] <blackboxsw> ahh yes one min, will rebuild
[21:41] <blackboxsw> rharper: scp sru@blackboxsw.com:*deb .
[21:41] <blackboxsw> your lp id is imported there temporarily
[21:41] <rharper> k
[21:42] <rharper> % sha512sum cloud-init_18.2-4-g05926e48-0ubuntu1~16.04.1_all.deb
[21:42] <rharper> ea85001e818aefe6967626d78f45e816c5ded1be71a8b58cdebbdab6906e8113a201668afaaebd983e3090e0570ae95da76308c2931ccee84f68365a76f37a6d  cloud-init_18.2-4-g05926e48-0ubuntu1~16.04.1_all.deb
[21:42] <rharper> blackboxsw: match ?
[21:43] <blackboxsw> match ea85001e818aefe6967626d78f45e816c5ded1be71a8b58cdebbdab6906e8113a201668afaaebd983e3090e0570ae95da76308c2931ccee84f68365a76f37a6d
[21:43] <blackboxsw> almost done w/ artful deb there
[21:43] <rharper> k
[21:47] <blackboxsw> rharper: /home/sru/cloud-init_18.2-4-g05926e48-0ubuntu1~17.10.1_all.deb is avail there now too
[21:47] <blackboxsw> 6d8c642c8cfb470a28d50e8a5e0e1c229b0ff173e579dddc6d53670179b374dba7cb9f634ed040b24d74d127b068056f78e571c71763502c7618048def655487
[21:47]  * blackboxsw is going to test gce now
[21:48] <rharper> blackboxsw: snagged and matches
[21:48] <rharper> k
[21:48]  * rharper hits up ec2
[21:48]  * blackboxsw kills the sru user
[22:07] <rharper> Unknown parameter in input: "AmazonProvidedIpv6CidrBlock", must be one of: DryRun, CidrBlock, InstanceTenancy
[22:10] <blackboxsw> hrm
[22:10] <blackboxsw>  python3-boto3                               1.2.2
[22:10] <blackboxsw> python3-boto3                               1.2.2
[22:10] <blackboxsw> and python3-botocore                            1.4.70-1~16.04.0
[22:10] <rharper> same
[22:11] <rharper> anything special in your ~/.aws/config ?  I've just output and region set
[22:11] <blackboxsw> [default]
[22:11] <blackboxsw> region = us-east-2
[22:12] <rharper> huh
[22:12] <rharper> shrug
[22:12] <rharper> may be related to my account and it's vpc defaults
[22:12] <rharper> s/it's/its
[22:13] <blackboxsw> it's what we pass to boto3's ec2.create_vpc
[22:13] <rharper> yeah, I saw that in the code, not sure why it doesn't like it
[22:13] <blackboxsw> ec2 = boto3.resource('ec2', region_name=args.region); ec2.create_vpc( CidrBlock='<IP_ADDRESS>/16', AmazonProvidedIpv6CidrBlock=True)
[22:14] <blackboxsw> yeah, hrm
[22:14] <blackboxsw> checking boto3 docs
[22:15] <blackboxsw> boto3 1.6.23 docs has it
[22:15] <blackboxsw> http://boto3.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/services/ec2.html
[22:19] <rharper> blackboxsw: did up update the ubuntu-sru github ?
[22:20] <powersj> FYI when I run integration tests typically use tox, which pulls in boto3 1.5.9 or bionic's 1.4.2
[22:20] <blackboxsw> rharper, just qa-scripts now
[22:29] <blackboxsw> rharper: just pushed ubuntu-sru
[22:29] <rharper> thx
[22:29] <blackboxsw> need to tweak the manual scripts for 18.2.4 for each platform
[22:29] <blackboxsw> I only copied 17.2.35.txt -> 18.2.4 as templates
[22:30] <blackboxsw> I'm updating the readme to include markdown checklist items for this SRU now
[22:35]  * rharper is going to see about getting an up-to-date boto3
[22:59] <powersj> rharper: tox -e citest -- {args}


 I was hungry. :D
[18:21] <pavlushka> ha ha
[18:22] <zaki> you know someone with nik rubel
[18:22] <pavlushka> zaki: yep
[18:22] <zaki> আসছিল
[18:22] <pavlushka> zaki: and?
[18:23] <zaki> and nothing.
[18:23] <zaki> চলে গেছে একটু পর।
[18:23] <pavlushka> zaki: I setup his machine
[18:24] <zaki> one you took photo with!
[18:24] <pavlushka> zaki: so setup the irc too
[18:24] <pavlushka> zaki: no
[18:25] <pavlushka> zaki:  I setup pretty many machines
[18:26] <pavlushka> zaki: few days ago, one came with laptop keyboard problem, I said to him that only in linux you can disable the fixed keyboard and ...
[18:28] <pavlushka> zaki: made a script just to click to disable the keyboard but the original owner was someone else, smart enough to fail to do that even
[18:29] <zaki> and?
[18:29] <pavlushka> zaki: should have setup that script to autorun at boot
[18:29] <zaki> he he
[18:29] <pavlushka> zaki: dont know,
[18:32] <pavlushka> zaki:  unlucky that I couldn't demonstrate the original owner firsthand.
[18:33] <pavlushka> zaki: though I demonstrated the via person properly
[18:33] <pavlushka> zaki: night night.
[18:33] <zaki> his bad luck
[18:34] <zaki> oky good night


[05:44] <zibzi> Hi, i have a creative zen XFI mp3 player, and im trying to sync it with banshee via MTP after updating to 11.10 and banshe keeps crashing...
[05:45] <zibzi> from the terminal i get Device 0 (VID=041e and PID=4162) is a Creative ZEN X-Fi. PTP_ERROR_IO: failed to open session, trying again after resetting USB interface LIBMTP libusb: Attempt to reset device Stacktrace:   Native stacktrace:  Segmentation fault
[05:54] <philipballew> zibzi, if your looking for support maybe #ubuntu would help
[05:54] <zibzi> I asked there they sent me here.
[05:55] <zibzi> :p
[08:01] <bullgard4> How can I report an error in packages.ubuntu.com to Launchpad?
[08:02] <micahg> bullgard4: you can't, not a launchpad system, ask rhonda in #ubuntu-motu
[08:02] <jpds> bullgard4: You don't.
[08:03] <bullgard4> micahg: I will turn to rhonda. Thank you.
[09:11] <bil21al> why bugzilla dont uload vedios?
[19:10] <dashroom> Quiet, isn't it
[19:11] <dashroom> what should I mark untranslated bugs as
[20:28] <hggdh> dashroom: use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Not_reported_in_English
[20:29] <hggdh> dashroom: and they are kept as New. You can also ask at #ubuntu-translators, or give us the bug number, perhaps someone here speaks the language
[20:39] <SwitchDK> Is anybody from the BugControl team available to have a look at bug 881216. I think it needs to be triaged (my apologies if this happens automatically, still new to the process)
[20:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 881216 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Libre Office Calc Horizontal Slide Bar (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881216
[20:42] <SwitchDK> sorry I meant the bug should be marked as "Triaged" please
[20:44] <hggdh> SwitchDK: (1) can you run 'apport-collect' against it (since you reproduced)? (2) how easy is it to reproduce, and what steps should we take? (3) what Importance you think it should have?
[20:45] <SwitchDK> hggdh: i tried to run apport-collect but it didn't want to collect logs saying all the necessary info was attached]
[20:46] <hggdh> SwitchDK: OK. What about questions 2, 3, and 4?
[20:46] <SwitchDK> hggdh: do you want me to update the bug with the steps on how to reproduce. It is by default it fails
[20:46] <hggdh> cool, is it stated there (I did not look for it)?
[20:46] <SwitchDK> hggdh: it could probably be more clear but it is really obvious once you open a spreadsheet
[20:47] <hggdh> SwitchDK: "pretty obvious" is a dangerous concept ;-)
[20:47] <SwitchDK> hggdh: sorry just checking on importance, not used being asked that question ;)
[20:47] <hggdh> SwitchDK: just getting you on track for being (eventually) in Bug Control :-)
[20:48] <SwitchDK> hggdh: hehe, thanks, I would think Medium since it affects core functionality, it is difficult to use Calc without the scroll bar
[20:48] <hggdh> SwitchDK: and I agree...
[20:50] <hggdh> SwitchDK: done, thank you
[20:50] <SwitchDK> hggdh: true that obvious can be dangerous but I think my steps for reproducing the bug would be: 1. open Calc, 2, Attempt scroll :P
[20:50] <SwitchDK> Many thanks hggdh
[20:50] <hggdh> SwitchDK: In understand. But it is just a good practice to state it, even being obvious
[20:51] <SwitchDK> hggdh: that makes sense, I will bear that in mind with the next bugs I hug
[20:52] <hggdh> SwitchDK: we do appreciate your help. Please bear with an old and tired person ;-)
[20:53] <SwitchDK> hggdh: hehe, no worries, I'm still trying to get to grips with the terminology
[20:58] <SwitchDK> hggdh: sorry to disturb you again but I forgot to ask if the process we just went through to mark a bug Traiged is the correct way of doing it?
[20:58] <SwitchDK> hggdh: or should I not raise the requests on this channel but just leave the bug and it will automatically be picked up by a BugControl member
[20:59] <hggdh> SwitchDK: in your case, it is -- bug is confirmed, we know how to repeat. Now, bonus points if you check upstream for a similar bug (and open one if needed), and link it on our bug
[20:59] <hggdh> SwitchDK: this is indeed what you should do -- ask here for someone to mark it triaged
[21:00] <SwitchDK> hggdh: excellent, thanks again
[21:00] <hggdh> yw


[01:29] <bkerensa> chrisccoulson: Do we have a Australis free nightly branch by chance like upstream has?
[01:30] <bkerensa> chrisccoulson: were really pushing for folks to test both Australis/Nightly and Non-Australis/Nightly
[01:49] <Unit193> There'll be an option to turn it off?!  You sure there's any nightly working right now?