[07:59] <gnomefreak> wgrant: thanks for the help last night, changing version worked. However i had to retry all of them a bunch of times due to build systems chroot failed a bunch of times on all packages. it was due to kernel version lower than the one needed.
[08:04] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Right, that's normal for Jaunty at this point.
[08:05] <wgrant> Things do break - that's why you're not meant to run it on your own machine just yet.
[08:05] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[08:06] <gnomefreak> it wasnt my fasult though it was the buildd on PPA that gave chroot errors jaunty here is running fine as main and chroot
[08:06] <wgrant> Chroot errors are never your fault.
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[08:09] <wgrant> That could probably be described better.
[08:09] <wgrant> I wonder if there's documentation on all of those statuses.
[08:12] <Hobbsee> don't think so
[08:13] <Hobbsee> although I think there was talk about getting some documentation written.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> ages ago
[08:14] <wgrant> Maybe we can steal stuff from the dev wiki once more of it is public.
[08:17] <Hobbsee> that might be cool
[09:21] <wgrant> Is being a Chinese autoresponder that doesn't set a charset enough to get kicked off launchpad-users?
[09:23]  * mrevell looks
[09:23] <wgrant> They're not sent to the list itself.
[09:23] <wgrant> But you might have one from your email not too long ago.
[09:24] <mrevell> wgrant: Oh right. Wanna PM me the sender's email addr?
[09:24] <wgrant> In fact, it's a plaintext message followed by an HTML one, in the same part, without a charset, with content-type text/plain. Smart.
[09:24] <wgrant> Done.
[09:25] <mrevell> thanks
[12:07] <savvas> using launchpad's PPA, does anyone know if I copy the built binaries from intrepid to hardy, will they work properly?
[12:08] <geser> savvas: have you checked if the dependencies are available in hardy?
[12:08] <bigjools> savvas: depends on the binaries
[12:09] <geser> because even if it works you might not be able to install them
[12:09] <savvas> it's for secret maryo chronicles, 1.6 version: https://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive
[12:09] <savvas> I think they have the same package dependencies
[12:09] <savvas> let me check
[12:09] <savvas> thanks btw :)
[12:13] <savvas> well, it looks ok, I'll try it on a virtual machine later
[12:20] <savvas> geser, bigjools: in case it doesn't work, is there a way to use the already upload .orig.tar.gz, but make a build for hardy? (sorry for the highlight)
[12:20] <savvas> *uploaded
[12:24] <geser> savvas: I guess only uploading a new .diff.gz (with the matching .dsc) targeting hardy should work
[12:25] <savvas> ok, I'll give it a try afterwards, thanks!
[12:38]  * henninge -> lunch
[13:54] <mrevell> hey wgrant, still around?
[14:39] <kiko> mrevell, remind me who the user is that does the import of +text bug renderings periodically?
[14:40] <mrevell> kiko: Hmm, I don't know, I'm afraid.
[14:40] <awilkins> Are there any plans for wiki features in LP?
[14:41] <kiko> awilkins, plans but no dates :-/
[14:41] <awilkins> Does that include trac-style integration of the wiki processor into all the other modules like issue descriptions?
[14:42] <awilkins> Or is that something planned for a later date? ;-)
[14:43] <awilkins> kiko: I'm currently reviewing collaboration systems for my employer ; we've got at least three bespoke special-purpose issue trackers that I want to kill off and replace with a cusomization of something
[14:44] <kiko> awilkins, it would include trac-like intergration, yeah -- you'd be able to use a subset of wikitext more generically.
[14:44] <awilkins> kiko: Robert Collins may have sent you a mail about me ("The UK NHS wants us")
[14:44] <kiko> awilkins, I know, I am getting to your email in my inbox!
[14:44] <awilkins> kiko: Heh, backlog city
[14:44] <kiko> awilkins, 433 unread
[14:44] <kiko> travelling kills me
[14:45] <awilkins> kiko: I'm told that SFEE is one of the options on the table because a contracted project is using it... I've not so far been able to actually download it, our web proxies are being especially awful this week
[14:45] <awilkins> I have my doubts about being able to poke it's soft underbelly to see how it ticks though
[14:46] <kiko> awilkins, you'd really be crazy to use SFEE instead of Launchpad, though I guess it depends on whether you really need a self-hosted solution or not.
[14:46] <awilkins> I know it's PHP but the demo is a VM and I bet it's an encrypted FS or something
[14:46] <awilkins> kiko: I'm not sure we can justify not self-hosting
[14:47] <awilkins> kiko: I;m sure there would be a contingent that would find it politically unacceptable
[14:47] <kiko> awilkins, same contingent that uses salesforce for tracking contacts? :)
[14:48] <kiko> awilkins, or google for searching through enterprise content?
[14:48] <awilkins> I doubt it, this is a government agency ; I think salesforce would be a bit "advanced"
[14:48] <kiko> awilkins, or plaxo for managing business cards?
[14:48] <kiko> heh
[14:48] <kiko> maybe. I just used those examples to point out that people actually do use stuff that's "out there"..
[14:49] <kiko> it'll be hard to find a group producing a tool that is as eager to provide you with a good solution as launchpad, though.
[14:49] <awilkins> We do have atrociously bad internal solution
[14:50] <awilkins> kiko: I like LP, but I think it would need extending for our needs ; we'd probably need to put in some bridges to existing systems and support for different classes of issue with different workflows
[14:51] <awilkins> kiko: I think the same thing is probably true of anything we adopt
[14:51] <awilkins> When I get home I may actually be able to get a full download of this accursed SFEE VM.
[14:51] <awilkins> This allegedly has custom workflow
[14:52] <kiko> awilkins, it does depend on how custom you need to be, but launchpad does offer APIs and machine-readable exports to make integration easy
[14:54] <awilkins> kiko: I do like the fact that it's probably one of the few "forges" which started life in the web 2.0 era.
[14:54] <awilkins> kiko: This makes me more optimistic about the modularity of its internal design
[14:55] <awilkins> kiko: And using it has been a pleasant experience so far.
[14:55] <kiko> awilkins, that's cool to hear. if you want me to help you pitch it internally then we can try -- just keeping in mind that the non-self-hosted meme is a hard battle :)
[15:14] <Aron_> kiko: ping
[15:17] <savvas> for PPA, does the original .changes filename have to be used as 'smc_1.6-1.0_source.changes' or can I rename it to 'smc_1.6-1.0_hardy.changes' ?
[15:20] <cprov> savvas: they have to end up with '_source.changes'
[15:21] <cprov> savvas: why would you rename it, genchanges uses this convention.
[15:21] <thekorn> hi, is it possible to get a list of all bugs which have been converted into a question?
[15:22] <savvas> cprov: I've uploaded an intrepid build, and I want to rebuild it for hardy
[15:22] <savvas> cprov: so.. I just use dput -f to upload the source.changes again, but for hardy this time?
[15:23] <cprov> savvas: rebuilds require a new source version.
[15:23] <cprov> savvas: you will have to build a new source.
[15:24] <savvas> cprov: and re-upload smc_1.6_orig.tar.gz ?
[15:24] <savvas> * smc_1.6.orig.tar.gz
[15:46] <cprov> savvas: no, the orig.tar.gz is already there you don't need to upload it again
[15:46] <cprov> savvas: build the source with `debuild -S` only
[15:47] <savvas> ok I'll try
[15:52] <savvas> woohoo!
[15:52] <savvas> thanks cprov :)
[15:56] <cprov> savvas: you're welcome.
[16:13] <BjornT> thekorn: no, it's not easy to get a list of the converted questions. is this a one-time thing, or would you need this info regurarly?
[16:17] <simmerz> hi. i created a PPA before signing the code of conduct, but I now can't see where to activate it.
[16:21] <simmerz> anyone have any ideas?
[16:22] <persia> Whoever is responsible for debdiffs being two clicks away from the uploaded packages list: thank you very much.  I've a related feature request that closed bugs be clickable from the short-form publishing history.  Is that a bug against Malone?
[16:23] <persia> Or against Soyuz?
[16:23] <mrevell> simmerz: Have you tried https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archive
[16:25] <savvas> handy shortcut
[16:25]  * savvas takes notes
[16:26] <simmerz> mrevell: yes. that page comes up. gives me deb and deb-src lines
[16:26] <simmerz> but I get a 404 clicking on the deb location
[16:27] <mrevell> simmerz: Have you uploaded anything yet?
[16:28] <bigjools> you need to upload something before the archive is created
[16:28] <simmerz> mrevell: just have about 5 mins ago. so hopefully that'll build and go in?
[16:29] <mrevell> simmerz: Should do. Give it a few minutes.
[16:29] <simmerz> ok
[16:29] <mrevell> simmerz: to an hour
[16:29] <simmerz> :) thanks.
[16:30] <simmerz> oh. rejected
[16:33] <simmerz> debuild -S -sa has apparently decided that the distribution is unstable and the error is that it couldn't find "unstable"
[16:41] <simmerz> https://launchpad.net/~tom+launchpad-initforthe/+archive :)
[16:46] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a way to clean out some cruft from a projects code section?  Seems we have some old cruft listed here that doesn't belong to us  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[16:53] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, for the branches you own, you can go to the branch's page and click on the red icon next to the title to delete it
[16:54] <tgm4883_laptop> beuno, yea, but what about the branches that we dont'?
[16:54] <tgm4883_laptop> ie
[16:54] <tgm4883_laptop> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mrimbert/mythbuntu/documentation
[16:54] <tgm4883_laptop> we don't know this guy
[16:54] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, those are owned by other people, so you can't delete them
[16:55] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, is there a reason for someone being able to do this then ^
[16:55] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, actually, your comment makes me think we may want to distinguish "official" branhces from random branhces
[16:55] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, yes, free software!
[16:55] <tgm4883_laptop> cause if there is a good reason for that i can get over it being there
[16:55] <beuno> anyone can push branches
[16:56] <tgm4883_laptop> I'm just a little OCD and like things clean
[16:56] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, if the project's branches where highlighted, would that work for you?
[16:56] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[16:57] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, feel like filing a bug for it?   I think it's a good idea, and I'll talk to the right people to make it happen
[16:57] <tgm4883_laptop> yep, i'll file a bug about it
[16:57] <tgm4883_laptop> one question on bugs, then i'll leave
[16:57] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, thanks. Point me to the bug # afterwards
[16:57] <beuno> sure, you can even stick around!
[16:57] <tgm4883_laptop> thanks ;)
[16:58] <tgm4883_laptop> bugs can be targeted to milestones, but as far as I can tell, once that milestone is reached you still have to manually change the bugs from "fix commited" to "fix released", is this the intent?
[16:59] <beuno> yes, although that is likely to change the in the future
[16:59] <beuno> when you can say "this milestone is released"
[17:00] <tgm4883_laptop> awesome
[17:00] <tgm4883_laptop> that will help a lot
[17:00] <tgm4883_laptop> ok, one more question
[17:00] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry I lied
[17:01] <tgm4883_laptop> Is there currently a way (or should I file a blueprint), that would make a release notes page that automatically grabs fixed bugs, blueprints, etc and puts them on a single page?
[17:02] <tgm4883_laptop> It would make release notes alot easier to make by auto grabbing everything that was targeted to a release.
[17:03] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, there isn't anything like that
[17:03] <beuno> but, file a bug for it as well, it sounds like something we want to have
[17:03] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a blueprint then ;)
[17:03] <tgm4883_laptop> bug or blueprint?
[17:03] <kabotage> how come the bugs i filed got deleted? i filed two bugs and now its gone?
[17:04] <henninge> kabotage: do you have a project or even bug number?
[17:04] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, bugs are better for us at the moment
[17:04] <henninge> kabotage: what is your lp  user name?
[17:05] <tgm4883_laptop> beuno, ok, will do
[17:05] <kabotage> i just reported a bug a couple of hours ago.
[17:05] <tgm4883_laptop> frick, one more thing
[17:05] <tgm4883_laptop> man, these just keep coming to me
[17:05] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, keep them coming
[17:05] <kabotage> henninge: its kabotage
[17:06] <henninge> kabotage: and the project you filed the bug for?
[17:07] <kabotage> crashes on kmix and dolphin
[17:07] <tgm4883_laptop> is the launchpad janitor broken?  Our project has marked that we want bugs that autoexpire to actually expire, but they stay around and never expire.  We have 25 bugs that can autoexpire, but wont.  We have this that was set to autoexpire 125 days ago https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/151612
[17:08] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, it's currently disabled
[17:08] <beuno> it will be fixed soon
[17:11] <tgm4883_laptop> beuno, ok, thanks
[17:11] <henninge> kabotage: hm, there must be some misunderstanding. There is no bug reported by you for dolphin.
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> dang it, one more
[17:12] <henninge> kabotage: and bugs are never deleted.
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> but this one isn't from me, but someone that hit our mailing list
[17:12] <henninge> kabotage: also there is no kmix project, only jackmix and jackmixer.
[17:13] <henninge> kabotage: Maybe you didn't complete the report?
[17:13] <tgm4883_laptop> Is it possible to have launchpad remind people (when reporting a bug) to include the version number that they are using?  It would be fine if it were a text field that could be left blank, or just a reminder that goes into the reporting text box which the user could erase or leave as is...
[17:14] <tgm4883_laptop> beuno, bug 297287
[17:14] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, very much appreciate dfor the bug
[17:14] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, there is something about that
[17:14] <beuno> allenap would know
[17:16] <kabotage> henninge: how come? i just filed two and i can still see the summary title that i put.
[17:16] <henninge> kabotage: what's the title?
[17:18] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: For projects, project groups and distributions some bug reporting guidelines can be set.
[17:18] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: These appear underneath the Further Information box when filing a bug.
[17:18] <kabotage> henninge: The application KMix (kmix) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT) and Dolphin Crashed While transferring files to Flash drive
[17:18] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: I'm currently working on making them appear for packages in distributions too.
[17:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ah I see now
[17:19] <tgm4883_laptop> question, would it be possible to have the bug report pre-filled with certain information?
[17:20] <tgm4883_laptop> It can be generic info such as {what happened} {what was expected} etc
[17:20] <tgm4883_laptop> I can see this being beneficial across all projects
[17:20] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Not right now afaik. Do you mean, like a template in the Further Information box?
[17:21] <henninge> kabotage: That is the bug title?
[17:22] <henninge> kabotage: if you still see it on your screen, you should also still see the URL in the browser. Can you please give me that?
[17:22] <tgm4883_laptop> no, more like when I file a bug I have the text area to say what happened.  This can be done two ways, either a) seperate text boxes for each part (what happened text box) (what was supposed to happen text box) or b)  Just have those words already in the single text box on seperate lines (what happened) (what was supposed to happen)
[17:22] <tgm4883_laptop> allenap, ^
[17:23] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Ah, okay, I think that's what I meant, I just didn't say it very well :)
[17:24] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok, yes.  I see now.  I thought you were still talking about just the guidelines
[17:24] <tgm4883_laptop> so yes, a template would rock
[17:24] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Some bug trackers - the KDE one comes to mind - have wizard-like bug filing processes which take this a step further. That would be quite cool for Launchpad, but a *lot* of work too, and would confuse the user experience.
[17:24] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: But I think that would be easy (or possible) for a committed project to add by hosting it themselves and hooking into the Launchpad API.
[17:27] <kabotage> henninge: its ok. i see that the bug has been marked as duplicate. thanks for replying though
[17:27] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Can you file a bug against malone for this? I can't promise we'll do it soon, but at least we won't forget about it :)
[17:27] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: For the template idea I mean.
[17:27] <tgm4883_laptop> allenap, will do
[17:27] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Thanks!
[17:27] <tgm4883_laptop> beuno, heres that other bug we talked about bug 297291
[17:28] <henninge> kabotage: I am still wondering that you report bugs in two applications with one report.
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> allenap, am I filing the bug against the person malone?
[17:28] <tgm4883_laptop> or just subscribing him
[17:29] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: No, the malone project, https://edge.launchpad.net/malone/+filebug
[17:29] <kabotage> henninge: sorry if i got you confused, but i filed it separately
[17:33] <henninge> kabotage: ok, I am glad we got that sorted out, then ;-)
[17:34] <tgm4883_laptop> allenap, bug 297294
[17:35] <kabotage> henninge: yea. thanks again.
[17:36] <allenap> tgm4883_laptop: Thanks, that's a good clear request.
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> I try to write good ones ;)
[17:50] <beuno> tgm4883_laptop, thanks
[18:07] <thekorn> BjornT: re list of converted questions: no, it's more a one time thing, today we found bug 297238 and I would like to know how many bugs/questions are affected
[18:31] <BjornT> thekorn: ok. according to my sql query, there are only two such bugs: bug 222569, bug 240637  (and bug 297006 on staging)
[18:32] <BjornT> thekorn: do you have any other example of such a bug?
[18:33] <thekorn> BjornT: ok, cool, I think we have no others so far, bug 222569 was the one where we found this issue
[18:34] <thekorn> bdmurray: ^^ this are converted questions where the status of the bug is other than invalid
[18:34] <thekorn> thanks BjornT !
[18:36] <bdmurray> BjornT: I reported bug 297238
[18:36] <bdmurray> BjornT: thanks for running query, could I see it for future use?
[18:39] <BjornT> bdmurray: https://pastebin.canonical.com/11096/
[18:46] <stgraber> who broke the lpia PPA builders ? :)
[18:50] <savvas> probably me
[18:51] <savvas> just kidding :p
[18:51] <savvas> what's an lpia architecture by the way?
[18:52] <savvas> hm.. ubuntu mobile arch?
[18:54] <bdmurray> BjornT: thanks
[19:05] <stgraber> savvas: yeah, Low Power on Intel Architecture
[19:06] <stgraber> it's one of the three archs the PPA build for
[19:07] <savvas> hm.. strange that there's no wikipedia article about it
[19:07] <savvas> (thanks btw :) )
[20:34] <PriceChild> Hey there. I'm thinking of changing a moderated team to a closed one. I'm wondering what will happen to the existing applicants. Will their applications just disappear, or will it let me continue going through them and approving/declining?
[20:41] <beuno> PriceChild, it will let you continue
[20:42] <PriceChild> beuno: Thanks.
[21:12] <lifeless> spm: what rev of pqm is praesiodymiumiumium running
[21:13] <spm> lifeless: bzr revno is 173 - sound useful?
[21:14] <spm> ps. praseomumble works for us :-)
[21:14] <lifeless> spm: I'm debugging a pqm issue for abentley; code wasn't lining up
[21:14] <lifeless> trunk is on 183
[21:14] <lifeless> mthaddon_: here by chance?
[21:15] <spm> I believe he's at lunch atm
[21:25] <mthaddon_> lifeless, here now - still need anything?
[21:25] <lifeless> mthaddon_: no, but I wanted to ask how the ubunet pqm stuff turned out
[21:26] <mthaddon> lifeless, all looking fine, except that for some reason in the web UI it shows "processing x from other project" or something rather than the actual message
[21:27] <lifeless> mthaddon: the project prefix is wrong
[21:33] <wgrant> You're not doing a very good job of keeping Ubunet quiet.
[21:35] <Ursinha> ?
[21:52] <teferi> hey guys, I have an awful problem with my new launchpad account and the old launchpad account I forgot I had
[21:52] <teferi> namely, I can't set my gpg key for the new account (adam-crossproduct) to the key that's still associated with the old account (teferi)
[21:53] <teferi> and I can't complete the merge of the two accounts because some of the email addresses on the old account are ones I don't have access to anymore
[21:53] <teferi> (presumably launchpad snaffled them from my gpg key)
[21:53] <teferi> can someone help me out?
[21:56] <wgrant> teferi: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad, and a Launchpad admin should be able to help you out.
[21:56] <wgrant> Particularly if you have access to the old OpenPGP key, I suppose
[21:56] <teferi> I do
[22:09] <teferi> well, question submitted, but wow is this a pain
[22:11] <wgrant> teferi: What is?
[22:11] <teferi> wgrant: getting my key associated with my account so that I can do an upload to my ppa of the software that I just spent three hours packaging
[22:12] <wgrant> It's quite trivial if you don't have multiple accounts.
[22:12] <teferi> right, but I *forgot* that I *had* the old account
[22:12] <teferi> it was from YEARS ago
[22:16] <xteejx> Can I have a supervisor or account maintainer please?
[22:16] <xteejx> I am a triager for Ubuntu. Please direct your attention to bug 297388. Can we get this account banned?
[22:17] <NfNit|oop> heh.
[22:17] <xteejx> A user is abusing the Launchpad system and the account needs banned before Launchpad is swarming with this "crap"
[22:17] <xteejx> I know... :)
[22:17] <wgrant> xteejx: File a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:18] <xteejx> I suppose it wouldn't be hard for someone with no brain hehe
[22:18] <xteejx> wgrant: Thanks
[22:18] <xteejx> :)
[22:28] <wgrant> Erm, that bug is now OOPSing.
[22:28] <wgrant> OOPS-1047EC184
[22:50] <flacoste> Mez: hi there
[23:20] <spm> wgrant: I was perhaps a tad too enthusiastic in my cleanup - either way - acct is disabled, and the comments removed
[23:21] <teferi> spm: hey, can you help me out with my account/gpg key issue from above?
[23:21] <wgrant> spm: You removed the initial Message or something similarly destructive?
[23:21] <spm> teferi: not right atm - but sure
[23:21] <rockstar> wgrant, spm is enthusiastic about everything.  You should keep that in a mental note.
[23:21] <spm> rockstar: :-)
[23:22] <teferi> spm: fantastic, thank you so much
[23:22] <rockstar> spm,  what issue are you having?
[23:22] <spm> rockstar: see #lp-code me/gmb
[23:22] <wgrant> rockstar: Sounds bad.
[23:23] <rockstar> spm, oh, I know what you did!  :)
[23:23] <wgrant> What did he do?
[23:23] <spm> wgrant: having raw db/sql access is not always a Good Thing(tm) :-)
[23:24] <spm> drop database :-P
[23:24] <wgrant> TRUNCATE BugTask;
[23:24] <wgrant> THat would fix most of our problems in Ubuntu.
[23:24] <spm> that was a *joke* in case anything suspects otherwise! :-)
[23:25] <rockstar> spm, I just did a dd of lots of urandom onto one of my live and mounted drives just now. Everyone gets excited sometimes.
[23:27] <spm> rockstar: but did you *mean* to do that? ;-)
[23:27] <rockstar> spm, no, not at all.  But I can laugh because I have good backups.
[23:28] <spm> I still think my PB was taking out an entire floor of Cobol programmers from working for 3-4 hours. Mainframes - they allow such *spectacular* messes to be made.
[23:28] <rockstar> I thought it was writing to a USB flash drive.  I only noticed when the music I was listening to went away.  :)
[23:29] <rockstar> spm, I have a friend who worked at Wikimedia, and he said that they have a box which has the sole purpose of being the single point of failure.
[23:29] <rockstar> Breaking it is like a rite of passage for the sysadmins there.  :)
[23:30] <spm> rockstar: aye. +1 to that!
[23:34] <teferi> well, when processing is centralized, so is failure, more or less by def'n
[23:54] <teferi> man, sure wish i'd remembered that that original account existed :/


[08:53] <persia> ogra: I think I found a hint as to why your image won't load in KVM: when booting it shows as both a DVD drive and a regular drive.  Is the image perhaps partitioned somehow?
[11:17] <crevette> hello
[11:17] <crevette> persia: hello
[11:18] <ogra> persia, Err http://archieve.ubuntu.com intrepid/main linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic 2.6.27-4.5
[11:18] <ogra>     404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS>.80]
[11:18] <ogra> "
[11:19] <ogra> i just got that from a user trying the workaround ... do you notice something ?
[11:24] <ogra> hmm, no, its all correct, he must have fiddled with the sources.list himself to get that typo in
[12:46] <ogra> persia, my image isnt partitioned btw, i use the script build-mobile-img StevenK uses on cdimage
[12:46] <ogra> so i dont see wha mine wouldnt boot but his does
[12:47] <ogra> *why
[13:00] <ogra> hmm
[13:00] <ogra> might be that cdimage builds in a hardy envionemnt
[13:00] <lool> Ah too bad amitk isn't around
[13:00] <lool> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/21379
[13:00]  * ogra tries running syslinux for his image in a hardy chroot
[13:01] <ogra> lool, did you try it ?
[13:02] <lool> Nope, but at least it feel like we could use madwifi + new hal in linux-lpia rather than building a lrm
[13:02] <ogra> neh, would have been helpful if they had put a changelog in the tar.bz2
[13:18] <persia> crevette: Hi.  superm1 and I tested your 0.28 preparation in a variety of environments.  It works great, unless we use the 2.6.27 kernel.
[13:18] <persia> superm1 is working on packaging 1.5: if this tests cleanly, we may use that.
[13:19] <persia> lool: Would you mind taking a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/51200/ ?  It is supposed "hildonisation" for the bluez-gnome preferences applet.  Personally, I think it's probably an improvement generally rather than only in hildon, but I'd like your opinion as someone more familiar with GTK+.
[13:20] <persia> ogra: If you're using the same script then I'm also confused.  Do you see any difference building under hardy?  Also, you probably want to grab the new version of the script, that fixes the no-kernel-is-being-installed issue.
[13:21] <persia> ogra: Additionally, the reason people are seeing that 404 error is that their apt-cache is out of date.  They need to run apt-get update.
[13:21] <StevenK> persia: Did you see the URL? http://archieve.ubuntu.com intrepid/main
[13:22] <ogra> well, since they are downloading and install manually i just put a direct url in a blog comment now
[13:22] <ogra> StevenK, must be a typo in the copy/paste though, the sources.list in the image and the preseed are both fine
[13:22] <persia> Ooh.  I didn't see that.  Maybe a preseeding issue?
[13:22] <ogra> i checked that
[13:23] <persia> Ah.  RIght.  Let's call that a reporter typo then.
[13:23] <ogra> persia, and hardy doesnt help it seems
[13:23] <persia> ogra: Hrm.  I dunno.  The images I get from StevenK work everywhere.  Your image gives strange results in KVM, and won't boot on the D4.  It works fine on the SR.
[13:24] <ogra> yeah, i see the qemu issue here as well
[13:24] <ogra> but using the hardy syslinux definately doesnt change a thing
[13:24] <persia> ogra: Also, if you haven't seen already, I updated the -mobile preseeding bug with all the useful details, after some discussion in ubuntu-installer.  You probably need to fiddle ubuntu-mobile-default-settings though.
[13:25] <ogra> yeah, gdm-cdd.conf currentl relies on ubuntu as username and no password
[13:29] <persia> ogra: What else do you have customised?  d-i passwd/auto-login will sedify gdm.conf to do the right thing.
[13:30] <ogra> right
[13:31] <ogra> gdm-cdd.conf uses the theme i use in the desktop and the face browser
[13:31] <persia> Ah.  I wonder if user-setup apply can handle gdm-cdd.conf.
[13:32] <persia> Anyway, you can't effectively force the username except in --automatic mode, which you don't really want, as there's no reason -mobile should br crippled like that.
[13:32] <ogra> i dont really like to force any kind of typing in gdm though
[13:32] <ogra> unless i have any kind of onscreen kbd
[13:33] <persia> Right.  That's why I'm suggesting d-i passwd/auto-login : it will automatically log in *whichever* username the user selects in the installer.
[13:33] <ogra> but you wont get back in if you log out
[13:33] <ogra> it doesnt set timed login and doesnt set userlist
[13:34] <ogra> both is needed
[13:34] <persia> Hmm...
[13:34] <ogra> autologin only works on first login, for the second timed login is required as well
[13:34] <persia> What's the use case for logging out?
[13:34] <ogra> touchscreen recalibration
[13:35] <ogra> heh, fun there is denemo for maemo :)
[13:35] <persia> Maybe that doesn't have quite so many bugs.
[13:36] <ogra> it seems to use timidity
[13:36] <persia> ogra: Also, with the announcement of GNOME Mobile, what do you think about aligning Ubuntu Mobile with that base?
[13:36] <ogra> i guess its an older version
[13:36] <ogra> ??
[13:36] <ogra> mid is aliged with that
[13:36] <persia> Hrm?
[13:36] <persia> -mid is hildon.
[13:36] <ogra> i dont want hildon in -mobile
[13:36] <persia> Neither do I.
[13:36] <StevenK> Gnome Mobile isn't Hildon
[13:36] <ogra> gnome-mobile *is* hildon
[13:36] <persia> No.
[13:37] <persia> Maemo is hildon.  GNOME Mobile is different.
[13:37] <ogra> well, matchbox and friends at least
[13:38] <persia> The block diagram I see is BlueZ, e-d-s, Telepathy, Avahi, GStreamer, Matchbox, GCon, SQLite, GCVF, GIO, Pango, Cairo, ATK, GTK*, GLib, and DBus.
[13:39] <persia> I *don't* see hildon-desktop, or any of that sort of thing.
[13:39] <ogra> well, apart from matchbox and telepathy ubuntu-mobile has exactly all components
[13:40] <persia> From that set, Ubuntu Mobile uses almost all of it: the only pieces absent are that Telepathy wasn't selected for intrepid, and you're hinting compiz/metacity, rather than using matchbox.
[13:40] <persia> Am I missing something important?
[13:40] <ogra> nope
[13:40] <ogra> well, gvfs instead of gnome-vfs (which is dead)
[13:41] <persia> Yeah.  Where I wrote "GCVF" I meant to write "GVFS"
[13:41] <ogra> i was commenting the diagram :)
[13:41] <persia> Oh :)
[13:41] <persia> So I was thinking it might be handy to claim "Ubuntu Mobile is based on GNOME Mobile".
[13:42] <persia> But that requires consensus that it actually is :)
[13:42]  * ogra wonders when he manages to have hiw 2G SD card filled with crap in the n800 ... i'm installing apps since yesterday :P
[13:42] <persia> 2G is insufficient space.
[13:42] <ogra> well, i'D like to go on claiming that it is based on gnome desktop but it incorporates gnome mobile technology
[13:43] <ogra> it uses nearly the complete set of gnome desktop apps
[13:46] <persia> OK.  That makes sense.  GNOME Mobile claims it is the basis of Ubuntu Mobile, and I like to reciprocate, but I can see the value in claiming GNOME Desktop as well.
[13:46] <persia> For -mid, I think Maemo is the sensible upstream, so perhaps it's GNOME Mobile -> Maemo -> Ubuntu MID.
[13:46] <ogra> thats the important part to me ... i want the apps to work on 600 vertical pixels (minus 48px panel)
[13:47] <persia> Right, and that is a long-standing GNOME Desktop requirement: holding them to it makes sense.
[13:47] <ogra> xactly
[13:51] <lool> persia: Hmm the patch changed slightly since last time I saw it; I'm pretty sure it's not hildon dependent, but UI reorg
[13:51] <lool> I know the OEM people had trouble packing everything on screen in bluetooth dialogs
[13:51] <persia> lool: It's entirely UI reorg.  If the GTK+ looks clean to you, I'm thinking of pressing for it to be the default, rather than "hildon".
[13:52] <persia> Yeah, 1.5 has a *much* cleaner interface, and is compatible with our kernels.  Needs a heap of testing to be included though.
[13:52] <lool> perhaps this patch can now be made upstream then
[13:53] <lool> It was longer in the past, had more dialogs and all
[13:53]  * lool needs to go afk
[13:53] <persia> That's what I'm thinking, but since it's the first time I've every written in GTK, I want someone else's opinion :)
[13:55] <lool> I remember reviewing the changes in depth, but it's hard to comment on them as a patch as it depends on the affected widgets/code
[13:55] <lool> ogra-maemo: Like your N800? :)
[13:55] <ogra> yeah, love it
[13:56] <persia> lool: OK.  Is this something you can do later, or shall I hunt another GTK master?
[13:56] <ogra-maemo> the font is quite small in xchat
[13:58] <lool> persia: I think you're trying our the bluez packages regularly?  would be nice to apply the patch and see if it still improves the UI and send it upstream
[13:58] <lool> How stupid, my screen speakers are now shut off when the screen goes in power suspend mode
[13:58] <persia> lool: OK.  I'll find another GTK Master.  Thanks as always.
[13:59]  * lool goes back to cleaning
[14:00] <ogra> ogra-maemo, meep
[14:00] <ogra> hmm, no sounds
[14:00] <ogra> ogra-maemo, meep
[14:00] <ogra> ogra-maemo, again
[14:01] <ogra> ogra-maemo, pfft
[14:01] <persia> ogra-maemo: Does it help if someone else does it, or is it just broken?
[14:01] <ogra> ah, no libnotify
[14:01] <ogra> i guess i have to configure a wav file for sounds and the ballon thngie only wiorks with libnotify installed
[14:02]  * ogra-maemo goes looking for the pkg
[14:10] <persia> Hmm.  In today's MID image, midbrowser doesn't launch.
[14:48] <lool> Hmm NM seems to think the ath5k wifi on the Q1U is a wired network interface
[14:50] <ogra-maemo> did you try dis/enable wireless from the context menu ?
[14:51] <lool> ogra-maemo: There's no such thing, because it doesn't recognize it as a network interface
[14:51] <lool> ogra-maemo: What was last time you checked ath5k on Q1U?  2.6.26?
[14:52] <lool> It might work if we fix hal
[14:52] <lool> I could tell if I'd plug a kbd
[14:53] <ogra> i tried with .27
[14:53] <ogra> it recognized it corrently but all connect attempts failed
[14:53] <ogra> *correctly
[14:54] <ogra> i think the last time was with .27-2
[14:54]  * ogra needs to go to mow the lawn ... semms its the last sunny day for quite some time ... back later
[14:59] <persia> lool: Do you think bug #275158 needs to be on the release list?
[15:02] <rhp> Hi all. A question on the necessary hardware to run the mid image on. I am currently running ubuntu 7.10 on a Fuyitsu Siemens Stylus 3400 (Pentium III). Since it is a tablet-pc, I am wondering whether I could run the mid version of ubuntu on it as well.
[15:02] <rhp> Btw. it has only 4MB graphics memory, no 3D accel.
[15:02] <persia> rhp: How much RAM?
[15:02] <rhp> 192MB
[15:03] <persia> It'd be tight.  You could try.  I think you'd do best to use the mccaslin image, and make sure that the -lpiacompat kernel is installed.
[15:04] <persia> Mind you, ubuntu-mid is really designed for > 200DPI, so things will look a bit chunky.
[15:04] <lool> ogra-maemo: It fails to connect here as well; ISTR the driver only supports WEP at this time though
[15:04] <lool> And I'm using WPA
[15:05] <lool> I should check with some other AP and open access
[15:05] <ogra> cant be, i'm using WEP all over my house
[15:05] <lool> persia: It shouldn't be a release blocker
[15:05] <lool> ogra: Do you get any packets in monitor mode?
[15:06] <persia> lool: Oh well.  It's trivial to fix, but I'm not sure if tjaalton or bryce will want to fix it if it's not a release blocker.
[15:06] <ogra> well, would be good to have synaptics (touchpads wont work without it, hal-input defaults to it for all touchpads) actually and its a trivial change
[15:06] <ogra> lool, i didnt try
[15:06] <ogra> i will if i'm back ... really out now ...
[15:06] <persia> And my D4 (form factor device) has a synaptics touchpad.
[15:07] <lool> persia: I could fix it as well I guess?
[15:08] <persia> lool: If you have the git-fu, indeed.
[15:08] <lool> I do
[15:09] <persia> lool: Well then, thanks :)
[15:09] <lool> ogra: I don't see any packets
[15:10] <rhp> persia: what does McCaslin indicate? Is that a code name for versions of ubuntu-mid?
[15:11] <rhp> How reliable are the intrepid test versions? Reliable enough, or should I really stick with the released hardy version?
[15:11] <persia> rhp: For the Ubuntu MID hardy release, there were four things released.  One was called "mccaslin" and was optimised for the Samsung Q1U.  It most likely to be compatible with most hardware.  The others were "menlow", optimised for some development boards, a KVM image, and a Moblin-Image-Creator project tarball.
[15:12] <persia> rhp: If you want to play with the development snapshots, you can grab a daily from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/
[15:13] <rhp> I read on the web-site there is also a 'regular' i386 version.
[15:13] <rhp> But I don't see images for that.
[15:13] <persia> That should work, and if it doesn't, try installing the -lpiacompat kernel in a chroot, and try that.
[15:14] <rhp> Ok, I'll try.
[15:14] <persia> There's no images available for the i386 version of ubuntu-mid, and there's *heaps* of bugs because some changes were made architecture-specific that weren't.
[15:14] <persia> There's a preview image of ubuntu-mobile available for i386, but I'm not sure how well it works with 192MB RAM.
[15:14] <rhp> ok then, the mccaslin image it is. Thanks.
[15:15] <rhp> What are the development snapshots targetted at?
[15:15] <persia> You mean, what sort of devices?
[15:16] <rhp> Yes
[15:17] <rhp> There seems to be only one version, so no destinction between mccaslin and menlow.
[15:17] <persia> Well, I know it's been tested in KVM, on the Aigo MID, on the Samsung Q1U, on the Kohjinsha SR, and on the Sharp D4.
[15:17] <lool> persia: fixed
[15:17] <lool> persia: You might need Pas support though
[15:17] <persia> lool: Excellent.  Yeah, I'll send that as soon as I notice the upload is accepted.
[15:17] <lool> No it's fine
[15:17] <lool> %xfree86-driver-synaptics: !s390>------->------->------->-------      # Needs xserver-xfree86
[15:18] <lool> persia: I built the source from a debian box, so didn't close the lp bug in the changes, but I closed the bug by hand
[15:18] <persia> Oh good.  StevenK said it was in P-a-s, but didn't say it didn't need support.  I'll just expect the D4 sidebar to work for tomorrow's image then.
[15:18] <persia> lool: No problem.  I don't really care about changelog-closes-bug for this last-minute architecture-enablement stuff.
[15:20] <persia> rhp: There shouldn't be anything device-specific in the development snapshot images (if there is, it's a bug).  Whether all the features are working properly or not is a different issue.
[15:25] <rhp> persia: ok, clear enough. I'll give it a spin and find out for myself.
[15:27] <persia> rhp: Please let us know how it works.
[15:27] <rhp> Sure
[16:41] <crevette> hello persia
[16:42] <persia> hey crevette.  Have you tried superm1's test packages?
[16:42] <crevette> yep
[16:42] <crevette> not entirely
[16:42] <crevette> but there is no bluez-utils 4.x ?
[16:45] <persia> Just install bluetooth, bluez, and bluez-gnome: it should take care of everything else.
[16:46] <crevette> weird that bluez 4.7 is not installed
[16:46] <persia> crevette: You've added the bluetooth PPA to your sources.list ?
[16:46] <crevette> yep
[16:46] <crevette> okay, installing bluetooth solvd the problem
[16:47] <persia> OK.  Good :)
[16:47] <crevette> nice if we can have bluez 4 for intrepid
[16:47] <crevette> I have an error install bluez
[16:48] <crevette> Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
[16:48] <crevette>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bluez_4.7-0ubuntu1~ppa2_i386.deb
[16:48] <crevette> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[16:48] <crevette> sorry for the french
[16:48] <persia> I thought superm1 fixed that.
[16:48] <persia> purge bluez-input, bluez-audio, bluez-serial, and bluez-network
[16:51] <crevette> I had a shitful of errors also about makedev
[16:57] <persia> Yeah.  Ignore those.  They need to be sorted, but they don't break anything.
[16:57] <persia> Also.
[16:57] <persia> !ohmy
[17:00] <crevette> ah
[17:00] <crevette> :)
[17:00] <crevette> sorry
[17:01] <crevette> bluetooth-wizard is nice
[17:03] <persia> Yeah.  It actually works too :)
[17:04] <crevette> bluetooth-sendto doesn't work for me
[17:04] <crevette> it keeps stalled with an error of obex-data-server
[17:04] <persia> Oh, right.  superm1 was going to look at that today: I think he said it might need obexd.
[17:06] <crevette> obex-data-server doesn't work no more with bluez 4 ?
[17:06] <persia> Dunno.  You might ask superm1 for more explanation in #ubuntu-motu
[17:07] <persia> I did a little keyboard testing, and am hacking the UI patch for the preferences dialog to not look so bad at 600 vertical pixels.
[17:26] <crevette> persia: I didn't get the comment https://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/11ca06991d3a9b81
[17:26] <crevette> oups
[17:26] <crevette> not this one
[17:27] <persia> Yeah.  I can't read that :)
[17:27] <crevette> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/274950/comments/9
[17:27] <crevette> he wants to build the package with the patch ?
[17:28] <persia> Yep, and push to the PPA for people to test.
[17:28] <persia> More specifically, he's asking if you have time to build a package with the patch for testing.
[17:28] <crevette> okay
[17:28] <crevette> I'll try
[17:29] <persia> crevette: Good luck.
[17:29] <persia> If you run into issues, just ask for superm1 on #ubuntu-motu, and he'll probably be able to help.  I'm likely to be away soon, and for a while :)
[17:29] <crevette> okayish
[20:37] <rhp> ok. this is probably to stupid to ask, but I could not find an anwser on the wiki. Here goes: how should I put the image on a usb stick to make it boot ubuntu-mid? cat xxx.img > /dev/sdb?
[21:17] <rhp> Is it true that booting the usb.img will overwrite my disk on the target system?
[21:17] <rhp> If so, I surely missed that big fat red warning sign that indicated as much...


[08:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer OvenWerks , I saw a user reporting an issue with JACK as he seem to use his system with multi-user that log in and off, and seems that JACK does not like log out and log in. I replied that he can write a small login script to run the autojack command. I tested this and it works, but I am not sure if this is the best way to work around the issue. Also, do you guys know if this is going to be
[08:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> improved in future releases?
[08:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> If you want to leave a comment: https://discourse.destinationlinux.network/t/easily-install-jack-audio-with-ubuntu-studio-installer/2115/13?u=ilvipero
[13:10] <MauroGaspari[m]> ah nevermind, I saw he already spoke with OvenWerks and a solution was provided.
[20:53] <OvenWerks> MauroGaspari[m]: yeah, the user side of systemd is early days yet for DE devs I guess. this something we bumped into and quite frustrating


[09:07] <mup> Bug #1761706 opened: agent installation fails <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761706>
[10:34] <mup> Bug #1761706 changed: agent installation fails <juju:Incomplete> <juju 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1761706>
[14:38] <mthaddon> hi folks - I've recently upgraded to bionic and just installed the charm snap. charm build (for grafana) is asking "build: Unable to locate interface:nrpe-external-master. Do you need to set INTERFACE_PATH?" - googling doesn't throw up anything obvious - can anyone point me in the right direction?
[17:39] <balloons> mthaddon, is the interface connected?


[08:44] <mandel> morning all!
[11:07] <gatox> good morning
[12:35] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[12:35] <mandel> gatox, how was the pyday?
[12:35] <gatox> mandel, hi
[12:35] <gatox> mandel, awesome!! the whole weekend was really nice!
[12:36] <mandel> gatox, nice! ok, I need to go to have lunch, shall we catch up with the mac port after?
[12:36] <gatox> mandel, ok
[12:36] <mandel> gatox, I have some interesting ideas.. specially I want to check what you and mmcc think about my approach to the 'sudo' daemon
[12:36] <gatox> mandel, ack
[13:11] <ralsina> good (late) morning!
[13:11] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[13:24] <ralsina> Any vlunteers for bug #995146 or should I take a look?
[13:26] <gatox> ralsina, i can take a look at that
[13:28] <gatox> ralsina, should i assign that bug to me?
[13:29] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[13:29] <gatox> ack
[13:36] <ralsina> gatox: since u1sdtool shows the right status, it's probably just a silly bug in u1cp
[13:36] <gatox> ralsina, yes.... i'm looking at that part
[13:56]  * mandel back
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina, hello!
[13:56] <mandel> ralsina, I've got some small questions for you :)
[13:56] <ralsina> mandel: go ahead!
[13:57] <mandel> ralsina, mumble, is a lot of typing
[13:57] <ralsina> mandel: ok, in 1' because my wife is on the phone and she's talking loudly
[13:57] <mandel> ralsina, sure, no problem
[13:58] <briancurtin> brb, need to logout and test on a non-admin account
[14:03] <ralsina> mandel: starting mumble!
[14:17] <mmcc> morning, folks
[14:18] <briancurtin> mandel: from those jenkins failures, they dont seem to occur on my box either admin or not. is there something more special about how the tests run in jenkins that i can reproduce here? or is there a way to know we're running in jenkins?
[14:18] <briancurtin> s/jenkins failures/jenkins failures from friday/
[14:24] <mandel> briancurtin, sidney is the perfect man to ask those questions 'cause he did the set up
[14:24] <mandel> briancurtin, worst case scenario we get in the server and take a look
[14:24] <briancurtin> mandel: i'll check with him
[14:24] <mandel> mmcc, do you have to time to mumble in about 15 mins or so?
[14:24] <mmcc> mandel: sure
[14:25] <ralsina> mmcc, mandel: we can always set a envvar to "JENKINS"
[14:25] <mandel> mmcc, ok, I'll ping you when ready
[14:25] <ralsina> oops, that was briancurtin, mandel: ^
[14:25] <mandel> briancurtin, ralsina, and implemente and @skipIfJenkins
[14:25] <briancurtin> that's exactly what i was thinking
[14:26] <ralsina> mandel: right
[14:26] <ralsina> luckily, jenkins jobs are bat files ;-)
[14:27] <mandel> nanananananananananana na na
[14:27] <mandel> batfiles!
[14:27] <briancurtin> lol
[14:27] <gatox> jejeje
[14:32] <mandel> mmcc, mumble?
[14:33] <mmcc> mandel: ok, 1 sec
[14:39] <ralsina> briancurtin: how's the signing going? I saw you uploaded the instller to sign?
[14:39] <briancurtin> ralsina: binaries signed, installer built with them. they haven't signed installer yet, though
[14:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: you could try pinging in #is
[14:40] <briancurtin> ralsina: will do, i'll try to get an ETA
[14:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: if you don't get any feedback in say the next hour
[14:40] <briancurtin> ok, i'll give them a bit and then ask
[14:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: remember they are in UK so their EOD is about 2.5 hours away :-)
[14:41] <briancurtin> ah, i figured they were spread around the globe like the rest of us. i'll keep that in mind
[14:46] <ralsina> briancurtin: there is a physical signing machine somewhere
[14:55] <thisfred> standup in 5!
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:02] <briancurtin> me
[15:02] <gatox> me
[15:02] <mmcc> me
[15:02] <ralsina> mandel, thisfred, standup?
[15:02] <thisfred> me
[15:03] <mandel> me
[15:03] <ralsina> dobey + alecu are on UDS and it's early for them
[15:03] <ralsina> so, go I!
[15:03] <ralsina> DONE: 1-1s, calls, canonicaladmin sweep, planning & scheming, weekend TODO: bug triaging/assigning, tech leads call (maybe) BLOCKED: no NEXT: briancurtin
[15:03] <briancurtin> DONE: signed installer, computer restarted over the weekend so i didn't come back to any hints of where i left off besides i know i was trying to reproduce jenkins failures
[15:03] <briancurtin> TODO: jenkins skipping, pushing on the signing, back to fixing windows stuff
[15:03] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:03] <briancurtin> NEXT: gatox
[15:03]  * gatox writing notes.... just a sec
[15:04] <gatox> DONE:
[15:04] <gatox> Swap on Friday, work on Filesystem Notifications for Mac OS, investigate a bug about file sync status
[15:04] <gatox> TODO:
[15:04] <gatox> Waiting for logs about the file sync status bug, keep working on filesystem notifications for mac
[15:04] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:04] <gatox> No
[15:04] <gatox> mmcc, go
[15:04] <mmcc> DONE:
[15:04] <mmcc> got protoype of network sensing code for osx working,
[15:04] <mmcc> got bit by windows VM being out of date
[15:04] <mmcc> TODO: integrate network sensing code, investigate IPC options for fsevents daemon
[15:04] <mmcc> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <mmcc> next: thisfred
[15:04] <thisfred> DONE: https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/u1todo-4/+merge/104802 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/u1db/u1todo-whats-up-doc/+merge/104811 TODO: u1todo sync BLOCKED: no NEXT: mandel
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: research regarding fevents. Looked at objective-c. Reviews
[15:04] <mandel> TODO: more objective-c look at ipc implementations for mac and fs-events
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <mandel> I'm last :)
[15:04] <ralsina> ok, so good things to do for everyone for today. Go do them ;)
[15:05]  * ralsina shows executive skills right there
[15:05] <ralsina> briancurtin: as something to put very far in the back of your mind: we need to do some testing on windows 8 eventually
[15:05] <ralsina> briancurtin: as in "in may"
[15:06] <ralsina> briancurtin: just so we don't get bit when it doesn't work and requires 3 mnths of fiing
[15:06] <ralsina> fiXing
[15:06] <briancurtin> ralsina: sounds good, i'll keep it in mind
[15:10] <mmcc> no one wants 3 months of f'ing fixing
[15:11] <mmcc> briancurtin: when you call wininet.InternetGetConnectedState(), *which part* of the internet is it telling you you're connected to?
[15:12] <briancurtin> briancurtin: where is this from?
[15:12] <mmcc> it's in ubuntu_sso/networkstate/windows.py,
[15:12] <mmcc> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384702(v=vs.85).aspx
[15:13] <mmcc> the docs just say that 'at least one connection to the internet is available"
[15:13] <mmcc> (docs for that function)
[15:14] <mmcc> huh, maybe I should've asked gatox, he appears to have written that code
[15:14] <mmcc> I was just wondering why we used the generic function instead of asking about a specific domain name, since on OSX there's only API to ask about a specific name
[15:15] <briancurtin> "indicates that at least one connection to the Internet is available. It does not guarantee that a connection to a specific host can be established" - it looks to mean that something is plugged in to something which could produce the internet
[15:16] <briancurtin> there's also InternetCheckConnection listed afterward, but you could just substitute urllib or something for that part
[15:18] <mmcc> briancurtin: yeah, it's surprisingly vague. thanks, I think I can do the right thing on OSX by just testing reachability of one.ubuntu.com
[15:19] <ralsina> mmcc: we need to also reach login.ubuntu.com
[15:20] <ralsina> mmcc: and maybe something else I can't recall (probably not)
[15:21] <mmcc> ralsina: fs-1.one.ubuntu.com shows up… but it's a sub-domain, so for "are we connected" purposes I'm guessing just checking 'ubuntu.com' ought to work…
[15:22] <ralsina> mmcc: ubuntu.com is pretty widely distributed, but yes, better than "internet" ;-)
[15:28] <urbanape> mmcc: are you headed to WWDC?
[15:28] <mmcc> another network detection question - in the QT SSO GUI  there's a "NetworkDetectionPage" that uses networkstate, but it doesn't look like that's actually used anywhere. (ie, it's not instantiated anywhere in code) Am I missing some QT trick, or is that just not used?
[15:28] <mmcc> urbanape: are you joking?
[15:29] <urbanape> nope
[15:29]  * gatox lunch
[15:29] <mmcc> WWDC = "Wait While Downloading (dev videos) Continues"
[15:29] <urbanape> heh. Well, if we've got anything in any state that would benefit from labs by then, let me know.
[15:29] <mmcc> urbanape: in other words, no - I didn't hear about the tickets going on sale until ~2 hours after they were sold out
[15:30] <urbanape> East Coast RULES
[15:30] <mmcc> urbanape: ok, will do.
[15:30] <mmcc> urbanape: hah. I was half-thinking about just showing up in SF for a couple days, but probably won't
[15:30] <urbanape> Seems to be a popular option
[15:31] <mmcc> urbanape: yep. did you see where someone tweeted that the Mac conference is going to be in the Metreon food court?
[15:32] <urbanape> heh
[15:33] <mmcc> figure I'll try to go to Çingleton though
[15:34] <urbanape> I'll be there as well.
[15:34] <urbanape> Amber and Lex had a great time exploring Montreal
[15:36] <mmcc> Nice, yeah I've been wanting to visit. Not sure if the rest of the clan would come along or not.
[15:38] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: could you answer mmcc's question about the NetworkDetectionPage when you come back?
[15:41] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, mmcc it seems that is not being used..... that was used in the ubuntuone-windows-installer wizard..... but in the major refactoring.... we supress that......
[15:42] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: the better question is: should be be using it somewhere and forgot to do it? ;-)
[15:43] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, i think it should be used when we try to open the login page, or sign in page from the control panel...... we should check the network detection there, before showing the proper pages..... what do you think?
[15:43] <ralsina> gatox_lunch: makes sense
[15:43] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, i'll file a bug for that and assign it to me
[15:43] <ralsina> for sign in specially
[15:43] <gatox_lunch> if you agree
[15:43] <ralsina> sure, go ahead
[15:44] <gatox_lunch> ralsina, thx
[15:50] <mmcc> ralsina, gatox_lunch - nice, that answers my question! :)
[15:50] <ralsina> mmcc: thanks for looking, we completely forgot about it ;-)
[15:52] <mmcc> ralsina: you bet. I like to know what I'm about to break, so I've been doing lots of ack-greps to get a picture of what calls who.
[16:00]  * mmcc just got back from a kernel panic
[16:00]  * mmcc blames USB Audo
[16:08] <duanedesign> any U1 windows fols wan to look at this https://support.one.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=14792
[16:09] <mmcc> wow, kernel panic broke virtualbox. reinstalling…
[16:09]  * mandel quick errand
[16:10] <mandel> duanedesign, I'll take a look, but I need to sort out a payment real quick
[16:10] <duanedesign> no rush
[16:12] <ralsina> duanedesign: none of us can get into RT I think
[16:12] <duanedesign> sorry one second
[16:14] <duanedesign> ralsina: mandel  https://pastebin.canonical.com/65613/
[16:15] <ralsina> duanedesign: logs needed. Could be SSO is failing or SD is not starting
[16:15] <briancurtin> ralsina: it works on windows 8^
[16:15] <briancurtin> :)
[16:16] <ralsina> briancurtin: really? We have conflicting reports
[16:16] <ralsina> briancurtin: but hey, cool, maybe we fixed it ;-)
[16:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:17] <ralsina> hello czajkowski
[16:17] <briancurtin> i'm obviously still going to go through and set it up and test soon, but that pastebin report is at least a good first indication that it worked
[16:18] <ralsina> briancurtin: yeah
[16:19] <ralsina> For those who know alecu and want to see something unusual: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blmurch/3894997401/
[16:19] <briancurtin> would be interesting in the long term to produce a "metro" app for win8, but that requires us to get Python working as a metro app (which has already sort of begun)
[16:19] <ralsina> briancurtin: once that's on, we should be able to get it sort of quickly
[16:21] <briancurtin> ralsina: one of my side projects is to get Python compiled on VS2010 then go from there, but that's for 3.3. whenever it comes to it, i could do the port for us/the community for 2.7, but it'd have to be maintained outside of standard CPython
[16:22] <briancurtin> and that would allow us to get on win8 without much in the way
[16:22] <ralsina> briancurtin: or we may be ported to python 3 by the time
[16:22] <briancurtin> i'd much rather like that route :)
[16:23] <briancurtin> ah, alecu cleaned up a bit :)
[16:23] <ralsina> briancurtin: that was 4 years ago ;-)
[16:23] <briancurtin> ha, i should read the dates
[16:24] <mmcc> ralsina: what's unusual about that picture?
[16:24] <ralsina> mmcc: well, you have to have seen alecu in the last couple of years. He's quite a bit more...
[16:25] <ralsina> ok, I don't have the right words for that
[16:25] <ralsina> hairy.
[16:26] <mmcc> ah, ok. what word would you use in spanish?
[16:27]  * mandel back
[16:28] <mandel> ralsina, duanedesign, that is an error in ubuntu, no windows, right?
[16:28] <ralsina> mandel: yes, ubuntu
[16:29] <ralsina> duanedesign: yeah, ask for u1 linux guys! Not that we have many right now ;-)
[16:31] <duanedesign> mandel: ohhh, must be a vm my bad
[16:36] <mandel> duanedesign, ralsina, no worries, we need the logs to check which method was being called, either there is a problem with no dbus being there for a given interface or we broke the interface definitions and we did not know it
[16:37] <ralsina> mandel: if the second, we would have a quadrillion reports
[16:38] <mandel> ralsina, yes, unless he run nightlies
[16:41] <mandel> mmcc, in object0ve-c what is the diff between #include and #import?
[16:41] <mmcc> mandel, IIRC it does an automatic multiple-include guard. just always use import…
[16:42] <mandel> mmcc, ack
[16:43] <mmcc> mandel, I did RC, but there are some interesting discussions here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/439662/what-is-the-difference-between-import-and-include-in-objective-c
[16:43] <mmcc> mandel - the sum is, #import an objc header, and #include a C/C++ header
[16:43]  * mandel reads
[17:00] <duanedesign> mandel: i think
[17:01] <duanedesign> i moved it over to the ubuntu folks
[17:01] <mandel> duanedesign, ok
[17:02] <duanedesign> sorry foe the inconvenience
[17:03] <mandel> duanedesign, no worries :)
[17:05] <mmcc> dbus question - on ubuntu, if I run dbus-monitor "type='signal',sender='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager',
[17:05]  * mmcc whoops
[17:06] <mmcc> so if I run dbus-monitor "type='signal',sender='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager',interface='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager'" and then pull the network plug on the VM, shouldn't I see something? (just plain dbus-monitor also doesn't show anything from networkmanager)
[17:07] <mmcc> for context, I'm looking at the linux networkstate tests and making sure I understand what parts of it I don't need on osx
[17:07] <mmcc> and I just want to understand dbus
[17:09] <mandel> mmcc, AFAIK you should get a signal with the new state of the network
[17:11] <mmcc> mandel: that's what I was expecting based on the code in sso_client, but I don't see any events from networkmanager…
[17:11] <mandel> mmcc, what exactly do you mean?
[17:13] <mmcc> mandel, hang on I'm pasting what I see. if I run the command I wrote above, I get no output when I 'unplug' the vm
[17:15] <mmcc> mandel, if I don't filter it, I will see this notification from org.freedesktop.Notifications, which appears to be about the popup notifications I see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/973962
[17:16] <mmcc> sorry, have to run to lunch, need to feed a toddler… be back later
[17:26] <rye> mmcc_lunch: try using system bus for monitor, not a session one
[17:27]  * rye thinks that's right
[18:01] <mandel> ok, EOD for me..
[18:01] <mandel> mmcc_lunch,  I think I might have something interesting regarding IPC for tom
[18:12] <czajkowski> mandel: you at uds?
[18:14] <ralsina> briancurtin: +1 on skip-if-jenkins
[18:14] <briancurtin> ralsina: cool, thanks. applying that fix to u1client right now
[18:25] <mmcc> back. bye, mandel. I saw your discussion with ralsina re ipc. let's chat tomorrow.
[18:26] <mmcc> rye, yep that does it. thanks!
[19:41] <mandel> mmcc, I'll try to see if I can get something to look at tom
[19:41] <mmcc> mandel: cool
[20:05] <gatox> eod for me! i'll keep fighting with fsevents tomorrow :P bye all!
[20:06] <ralsina> bye gatox
[20:06] <gatox> ralsina, bye
[20:17] <mmcc> bye gatox
[20:42] <smeexs> hi , can i login with another account?
[20:44] <smeexs> i would like access to my obunte-one from the pc of my parents
[20:46] <ralsina> smeexs: the easiest thing is to just use the website
[20:48] <smeexs> omg i dont think about that
[20:49] <smeexs> i only tryed to use the client for this
[20:49] <ralsina> smeexs: ok then, http://one.ubuntu.com/files is your friend :-)
[20:49] <smeexs> ok everything is clear
[21:21] <mmcc> I have a question about our linux networkstate tests.. can anyone familiar with ubuntu-sso-client (ralsina?) take a look at this snippet from test_linux.py: http://paste.ubuntu.com/974500/
[21:22] <ralsina> mmcc: sorry, I have to runplease mail me, mandel and gatox with it
[21:23] <mmcc> ralsina: ok, will do. bye
[22:22]  * mmcc leaving for the day
[22:38] <czajkowski> duanedesign: ping
[22:39] <duanedesign> czajkowski: hello
[22:40] <czajkowski> I think I have one of your RTs


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[00:04] <theredbaron_> :)
[05:55] <reflexrg> how do I add startup programs to desktop sessions?
[05:56] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[05:58] <reflexrg> I noticed that lubuntu doesn't have the app where you can turn off apps at bootup time like service manger
[05:58] <reflexrg> how do I edit this?
[05:58] <reflexrg> not desktop startup apps
[05:59] <reflexrg> how about if an app doesn't get placed in the menu? alarm-clock doesn't but I can start it up with run well I am going to make it a startup app so doesn't matter
[06:00] <bioterror> in the FAQ is a guide how to add application to start menu
[06:02] <reflexrg> that was easy for me to do since I know how to find files via the terminal lubuntu needs to be more user friendly
[06:02] <bioterror> then make it more friendly, it's opensource and we have community
[06:03] <reflexrg> okay
[06:03] <reflexrg> I really love LXDE
[06:04] <reflexrg> I've been reading posts about businesses not wanting to switch to linux
[06:04] <bioterror> and I wonder why
[06:04] <reflexrg> well I do agree with gnome being buggy sometimes with the power buttons
[06:05] <reflexrg> but I think LXDE is the best choice for businesses
[06:05] <bioterror> I think Windows 7 is the best choice for businesses
[06:06] <reflexrg> I haven't experienced any problems with any buttons disappearing so far using lxde and its a lot like windows xp so it isn't too hard a learning curve
[06:06] <bioterror> the opensource world has nothing close to Exchange + Outlook
[06:06] <reflexrg> I don't like windows its bloated and slow
[06:06] <reflexrg> most people don't use email clients these days
[06:06] <bioterror> really?
[06:07] <reflexrg> how is outlook so good?
[06:07] <bioterror> you mean they use only iPhones to write these tens and hundres of emails?
[06:07] <bioterror> they use phones to book these meeting rooms?
[06:07] <bioterror> or what?
[06:08] <reflexrg> you can use any email program to book meeting rooms or call
[06:08] <reflexrg> I don't see your point
[06:09] <bioterror> you're welcome to come here to my work office and show how
[06:09] <bioterror> I have gnome 3 with evolution
[06:10] <reflexrg> I don't really like evolution takes up to much system resources
[06:10] <bioterror> thanks, you made my point
[06:10] <bioterror> conversation ended.
[06:11] <reflexrg> but there is tons of other apps to use instead of evolution
[06:11] <bioterror> like?
[06:11] <reflexrg> like the one that comes with lubuntu
[06:12] <bioterror> does it talk with the exchange server if the imap is not enabled?
[06:12] <reflexrg> dunno I never had that problem
[06:12] <reflexrg> microsoft exchange server?
[06:15] <reflexrg> I do a small business so I dunno if linux would meet your needs
[06:15] <reflexrg> it meets mine fine
[06:18] <reflexrg> bioterror what kind of business are you in?
[06:19] <bioterror> atm. a huge media business corporation
[06:20] <reflexrg> what kind of media?
[06:20] <reflexrg> tv, films, music, commercials?
[06:20] <bioterror> news paper, tv channels, magazines, radio channels
[06:20] <bioterror> what else :D
[06:20] <reflexrg> I see
[06:21] <reflexrg> are you saying that exchange lets you automatically call and book events you put in your calender?
[06:21] <bioterror> I can open a desired meeting room from calendar and book it
[06:22] <bioterror> and invite people into that meeting and so on
[06:23] <Unit193> Alright, this isn't exactly on topic, just learned that desktop Linux isn't for everything.
[06:23] <reflexrg> I am assuming this contacts someone to book it and then sends out email invitations to selected people
[06:32] <reflexrg> yeah its like bringing up religion or politics when you talk about that!
[07:58] <bioterror> a
[08:41] <reflexrg> just checked out trisquel 5 mini with lxde wasn't what I expected I'd thought they would have some apps you guys left out. also they  had the bloated add/remove app too.
[08:42] <reflexrg> the web browser they use looks pretty awesome lightweight very easy to use and comes builtin with all the crap that expert firefox users always add with their addons
[08:43] <reflexrg> such as cookie manager, adblocker, useragent switching...etc...
[08:44] <Unit193> !ot | reflexrg
[08:44] <reflexrg> whoops wrong window
[14:12] <tapion> hi all
[14:13] <tapion> is there a way to install lubuntu with wubi?
[14:13] <tapion> anyone there?
[14:15] <tapion> ?
[14:17] <tapion> is there a way to install lubuntu with wubi?
[14:17] <tapion> please
[14:18] <iceroot> tapion: i dont know if you can install lubuntu directly but you can use "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop" to get lubuntu
[14:18] <tapion> thanks
[14:18] <tapion> during the normal installation
[14:19] <iceroot> tapion: after the system is installed
[14:20] <tapion> during the installation what happens when i select "install lubuntu next to windows 7"?
[14:20] <tapion> resize the partition and create a new partition for lubuntu?
[14:24] <tapion> during the installation what happens when i select "install lubuntu next to windows 7"?
[14:26] <sbamLUCE> hi. I want to create my own distro lubuntu-based.  what can I use?
[14:27] <tapion> iceroot: during the installation what happens when i select "install lubuntu next to windows 7"?
[14:28] <iceroot> !remaster | sbamLUCE
[14:28] <iceroot> tapion: is that wubi or the real installation?
[14:28] <tapion> real
[14:29] <tapion> resize the partition?
[14:29] <iceroot> tapion: it will install the grub bootloader and install lubuntu on a free partition
[14:29] <iceroot> tapion: if there is no free partition it will resize an existing one
[14:29] <tapion> and if the disk is full?
[14:29] <tapion> ok
[14:29] <sbamLUCE> iceroot: ok, but from what I see uck uses gnome.... I want to use lxde .....
[14:29] <tapion> it is not really clear
[14:29] <tapion> and not present on documentation
[14:30] <tapion> thanks you very much =)
[14:30] <iceroot> tapion: having a backup is always a good idea
[14:30] <iceroot> sbamLUCE: ah ok, sorry dont know
[14:30] <tapion> yea i know it's not safe
[14:31] <iceroot> tapion: not safe is the wrong word, normally its safe but a backup is always good
[15:22] <uris> anyone using windowmaker on lubuntu?
[15:30] <ocs_> hi. I want to create my own distro lubuntu (lxde) -based.  what can I use?
[15:42] <ocs_> iceroot: do you know if uck allows me to add software installed from source to the new distro?
[15:46] <holstein> ocs_: not sure about http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/
[15:47] <holstein> i know http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html was using that tool
[15:50] <ocs_> holstein: many thanks
[16:39] <leszek> hi
[17:52] <th^2> hello
[17:52] <th^2> how do i change lubuntu login wallpaper?
[17:54] <bioterror> from lxdm settings
[17:55] <leszek> th^2: You can set the wallpaper in /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[17:59] <bioterror> is it meeting in two hours?
[18:01] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, yep
[18:01] <wxl> isn't the meeting elsewhere?
[18:02] <th^2> leszek, thanks
[18:09] <th^2> leszek, that has no affect
[18:34] <leszek> hmm
[18:34] <leszek> than its a bug I guess
[19:03] <th^2> changing default.conf worked
[19:03] <th^2> :S
[19:04] <reisio> is clamscan on 11.10 ?
[19:05] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/nautilus-clamscan
[19:05] <wxl> but i fear that's not what you're looking for reisio
[19:06] <reisio> seems like some nautilus extension for clamscan :)
[19:06] <reisio> don't think Lubuntu even uses nautilus
[19:06] <reisio> thanks for lookin', though
[19:07] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-updates/clamav
[19:07] <wxl> there you go
[19:07] <wxl> clamscan should be in there
[19:07] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric-updates/i386/clamav/filelist
[19:07] <wxl> it is
[19:07] <reisio> yeah I guess I could install it in the live environment
[19:08] <wxl> i've done that before
[19:08] <reisio> so have I, heh, just forgot
[19:08] <reisio> thanks for the reminder :P
[19:08] <wxl> np
[19:13] <reisio> wanted to scan this computer of someone's for der viruses, but also show them Lubuntu while it chugs along
[19:13] <reisio> adios!
[19:15] <KM0201> you could probably use avast also on the live cd.. it's good.
[19:30] <wxl> avast is on the live cd??
[19:38] <bioterror> if you install
[19:56]  * gilir shows the way to room #ubuntu-meeting for the lubuntu team meeting in 5 min :)
[19:56] <M0hi> Yes sire!
[19:56]  * M0hi follows
[20:48] <kvarley> Is there a screen magnifier or zoom application for lubuntu?
[20:58] <leszek> hi


[18:39] <jose> hey guys! who's here for the update?
[18:39] <toddc> I
[18:47] <jose> o/
[18:56] <nhaines> I'm even here for the update.
[18:57] <toddc> hi nhaines
[18:59] <nhaines> toddc: hiya  :)
[19:01] <jose> QUESTION: What is cheese?
[19:55] <nhaines> Yay, that was fun.  :)
[19:55] <jose> for sure!
[19:55] <toddc> thank you !!
[19:56] <PabloRubianes> thanks


[02:04] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: One last little cleanup bit for Lubuntu Next I think: bug 1771048
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[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted chromimpute [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.3+dfsg-1]
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[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted jameica-util [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.8-1]
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[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted keepass2-plugin-keepasshttp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg1-1]
[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted maven-jaxb2-plugin [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.13.3-1]
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[08:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libdata-hexdump-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.02-1]
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[08:34] <sil2100> apw: hey! So we have that old snapd available for -updates in a/x/t - other SRU members had some doubts about if the package is ready for release or not
[08:34] <sil2100> apw: could you take a look and act on it? Seeing that you're often the 'snapd SRU guy' ;)
[08:34] <apw> sil2100, yeah i have my instructions on what should be done with snapd :)
[08:34] <apw> sil2100, so feel free to leave that mess to me
[08:40] <sil2100> apw: thanks o/
[09:50] <ginggs> doko's no-change rebuild of gpaw 1.3.0-2 went to bionic instead of cosmic, can that be rejected please?
[09:53] <apw> ginggs, rejected ...
[09:53]  * apw wonders where queuebot is
[09:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gpaw [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.3.0-2ubuntu2]
[10:14] <ginggs> apw: ta!  can i just upload the same version again now?
[10:15] <apw> ginggs, yep it was only in a queue so the version is free still
[11:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1005.8] (kernel)
[12:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1005.8]
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> libterm-filter-perl is regressed in release
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libt/libterm-filter-perl/cosmic/arm64
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please ignore so perl becomes candidate?
[12:27] <LocutusOfBorg> we have also a bug in debian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=843052
[13:44] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: I see other failed tests blocking perl, what of those?  (and hint added for libterm-filter-perl)
[14:14] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: are you looking at the python-numpy ftbfs?
[14:17] <ginggs> slangasek: python-numpy looks like another armhf unalignmend memory access on arm64 kernel, your kind of thing? :)  I would love to know where to even start with debugging those
[14:23] <slangasek> ginggs: generally the place to start on those is on a machine where you can run gdb and reproduce it
[14:24] <slangasek> also, numpy hnngh
[14:24] <slangasek> ginggs: if I get you a backtrace, do you want to try to take it from there? :)
[14:25] <ginggs> slangasek: sure, I'll give it a go
[14:33] <slangasek> doko, infinity: did someone take care of requesting the porter box chroots for cosmic?
[14:34] <doko> slangasek: hmm, no, I didn't. I always was uncertain about where in the list we were for the archive opening
[14:38] <slangasek> doko, infinity: RT filed.
[14:42] <doko> ginggs: did you already give back the openmi triggered autopkg test failures?
[14:57] <ginggs> doko: no
[15:46] <ginggs> doko: i'm waiting for petsc-dev to publish then will do openmpi dependency level 6
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: postgresql-9.6 (artful-proposed/main) [9.6.8-0ubuntu0.17.10 => 9.6.9-0ubuntu0.17.10] (core)
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[17:12] <slangasek> ginggs: I can't reproduce that particular python-numpy build failure on bionic (I get a different failure related to sphinx), so a backtrace will have to wait until I have a cosmic chroot at my disposal
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[17:59] <ginggs> slangasek: ok, thanks anyway
[18:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libterm-readline-ttytter-perl [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.4-1]
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[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-terminal [source] (bionic-proposed) [3.28.1-1ubuntu1.1]
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (xenial-proposed/main) [2.408.30 => 2.408.31] (desktop-core)
[20:56] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Could falkon please be added to the sync blacklist? Lubuntu and Kubuntu agree to jointly maintain it in Ubuntu and keep a delta until the Debian maintainer ... stops doing ... questionable things with the package that we ... disagree with.
[20:59] <slangasek> tsimonq2: why does that need a sync blacklist entry though, when it's not currently in sync?
[20:59] <slangasek> you can just audit the Debian changes as you merge
[21:00] <infinity> ^
[21:01] <jbicha> speaking of sync blacklist, is bug 1770792 useful?
[21:01] <infinity> tsimonq2: It only needs to be blacklisted if we either (a) don't want the package at all, or (b) insist on maintaining it without an XubuntuX version.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> I don't want anybody to mistakenly sunc it.
[21:01] <tsimonq2> *sync
[21:02] <tsimonq2> Perhaps publicly stating here that people should *not* sync it is enough, but sync blacklist prevents it in a technical sense (syncpackage throws it back).
[21:03] <tsimonq2> I can look into merging, but Ubuntu's src:falkon was created from scratch while src:falkon in Debian is continued from src:qupzilla.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> So there's no common point.
[21:03] <slangasek> tsimonq2: people should not be syncing over Ubuntu deltas without knowing what they're doing anyway
[21:03] <tsimonq2> slangasek: "should" and what happens isn't always the same.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> I totally agree with you.
[21:04] <slangasek> and I don't think the sync blacklist is the right solution for such social issues
[21:04] <tsimonq2> OK.
[21:04] <tsimonq2> Fair enough; thanks.
[21:12] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, I asked for help on debian
[21:14] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, I missed libio-async-loop-mojo-perl, but it is also regressed in release
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rasdaemon (artful-proposed/universe) [0.5.8-1ubuntu2 => 0.5.8-1ubuntu2.1] (no packageset)
[21:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rasdaemon (xenial-proposed/universe) [0.5.6-2ubuntu1 => 0.5.6-2ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)


[15:49] <tmus> Hi guys... I'm having some problems getting 802.1x to work with iwd (23.04 development edition) and there must be something i'm missing. iwd says "unsupported_certificate" but the certificate looks fine (checked with TLS debug to gte the server cert) etc. Any ideas?
[15:50] <tmus> Network is Unifi, RADIUS server is Microsoft NPS
[15:51] <tmus> EAP-PEAP btw
[20:01] <alkisg1> Hi all; `dpkg -S /arch` ==> linux-libc-dev ships an /arch folder?! That's a bug, right?
[20:04] <PaulW2U> alkisg: yes - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2009355
[20:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-next- Launchpad bug 2009355 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-libc-dev is no longer multi-arch safe" [Critical, Confirmed]


[21:20] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, thank you for reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~sankaraditya/cloud-init/topic-stanguturi-vmware-support/+merge/277933


[00:03] <mup> Bug #1861047 opened: /dhcp-snippets/ is broken via API <api> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861047>
[08:40] <mup> Bug #1860866 opened: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>
[08:43] <mup> Bug #1860866 changed: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>
[08:46] <mup> Bug #1860866 opened: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>
[08:52] <mup> Bug #1860866 changed: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>
[08:55] <mup> Bug #1860866 opened: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>
[12:03] <mup> Bug #1861096 opened: [FFe] FFe for 20.04 snap transition <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861096>
[12:12] <mup> Bug #1861096 changed: [FFe] FFe for 20.04 snap transition <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861096>
[12:19] <mup> Bug #1861096 opened: [FFe] FFe for 20.04 snap transition <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861096>
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1860866 changed: can't install MAAS 2.6 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860866>


[23:25] <LedM> hello
[23:27] <LedM> i am trying to record lines in fstab, okey, bot The fstab on ubuntu 14 is restoring to defaults after reboot. WHY?:-O
[23:28] <LedM> what i have to edit to RECORD MY LINES IN /etc/fstab ? Why your ubuntu FORBID EXEC ON PENDRIVES? HA? REALLY I WANT TO K-NOW!
[23:29] <LedM> WHY NOBODY TALKS ON THIS ROOM?
[23:31] <LedM> you are tryin  to FORBID EXEC ON PENDRIVES?  HOW MAY I HAVE TOLERATE MABNUALLY MOUNTING?
[23:32] <LedM> IS MY ROOT! NOT AND NEVER YOURS!


[01:01] <evon> holstein, thanks for your response.  I am putting on a play and I would like to be able to cue up and play music and sound effects at the click of a button.  It would be great if I could load multiple tracks at the same time into a simple interface that will allow me to play any of them at the click of a button.  The ability to play them individually and at the same time is important to me as well.  Thanks in adva
[01:01] <evon> nce for the hel
[16:00] <sh4rm4> what desktop environment is u.s. using ?
[19:47] <sh4rm4> wow... that's amazing
[19:48] <sh4rm4> after 4 hours of wait still nobody can't tell me which desktop environement is being used
[19:48] <sh4rm4> i guess i have to be rude
[19:49] <sh4rm4> astraljava, darkmatter darkmatter funkyHat holstein jussi jussi01 , mammig meganerd  mlpug
[19:49] <funkyHat> Oh yep, that's really going to help you ⢁)
[19:49] <sh4rm4> at least someone says something now.
[19:50] <sh4rm4> so it is gnome ?
[19:50] <sh4rm4> or some lightweight desktop environment ?
[19:51] <sh4rm4> lets wake up the other zombies
[19:52] <sh4rm4> moustafa, nhandler orngjce223 qclibre  rexbron saidinesh5 ScottL sobukus  SOEPgarnaal7  StillLearnin  ts2 tsimpson  vlada
[19:52] <moustafa> sh4rm4: calling people zombies is a good way to provoke moderator shotgun
[19:53] <sh4rm4> yeah, i'm ready to leave this chan anyway.
[19:54] <vlada> moustafa, why gave this creep right to live?!
[19:55] <vlada> moustafa, sorry - wasn't meant to be message directed to you :(
[19:55] <moustafa> vlada: He has the right to live.  But being rude is definitely not a way to get answers
[19:55] <moustafa> vlada: No problems
[19:56] <StillLearnin> He claims he waited 4 hours. I'd have no way of verifying that though.
[19:56] <StillLearnin> I only just joined :)
[19:57] <tsimpson> nearly 4 actually, but I really don't care if they waited since time itself began
[19:58] <moustafa> At 12:00 he asks what desktop environment Ubuntu Studio uses.  At 3:47 pm he starts oinking
[20:04] <StillLearnin> The sad thing is that googling would have given him the answer in less time...
[20:05] <tsimpson> looking at a screenshot would have given the answer...
[20:05] <StillLearnin> true
[20:06] <moustafa> StillLearnin: You mean using functional logic?  That's not why the internet was made for
[21:04]  * saidinesh5 didn't know he was a zombie


[06:24] <tgpraveen221> mac_v: ping
[08:26] <mac_v> tgpraveen11: pong
[09:39] <tgpraveen11> mac_v: u saw the notification spec for lucid? if i understand right the do-not-disturb is being done per application and the app decides to go in dnd mode by itself
[09:39] <tgpraveen11> do u know who might be best person to ask about this?
[09:42] <mac_v> tgpraveen11: mpt
[09:45] <tgpraveen11> ok.thx