[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[06:33] <zsombi> seb128: ping
[06:43] <mihir> dholbach: Morning :)
[06:43] <dholbach> hi mihir
[06:43] <mihir> dholbach: hey , how are you doing ? how was your weekend ?
[06:44] <dholbach> good good - how are you?
[06:46] <mihir> dholbach: it was long weekend in India , it was good here :)
[06:52] <shuduo> seems something changed in webview component of recent builds. my two apps based on webview can't show the content of web page but just show busy icon.
[06:52] <dholbach> mihir, very nice! :)
[07:09] <justCarakas> good morning
[08:39] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: you have BQ phone already, right ? I just got one. Anything I should know before I try to flash it ?
[08:58] <kalikiana> ybon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-launch/+bug/1276658
[08:58] <kalikiana> see my comments
[08:58] <kalikiana> now we need a ual developer
[09:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Bad Poetry Day! :-D
[09:16] <justCarakas> I could write poetry, and I could do well, but I didn't do that, when you read this you can see
[09:16] <justCarakas> something like that JamesTait ?
[09:17] <JamesTait> justCarakas, good effort!
[09:17] <ybon> kalikiana: thanks
[09:18] <justCarakas> :p I actually do write poetry :p
[09:18] <ybon> kalikiana: do you think there is any workaround? Can I set env var from my .desktop file for example?
[09:18] <JamesTait> justCarakas, nothing involving green putty, I hope. ;)
[09:21] <justCarakas> nope
[09:21] <justCarakas> JamesTait: http://carakas.be/gedichten/2013/What+do+you+see
[09:22] <justCarakas> most of my poems are dutch
[09:23] <JamesTait> I can relate to the sentiment of that poem.
[09:23] <justCarakas> :)
[09:36] <kalikiana> ybon: mmm I don't think you can. unless you had C++ code
[09:42] <kalikiana> justCarakas: first line, youR
[09:43] <kalikiana> I know exactly the feeling described there
[09:43] <kalikiana> nicely written
[09:44] <justCarakas> hehe thx kalikiana
[09:44]  * kalikiana will read the Dutch ones later as they're harder to process in my head :-P
[09:44] <justCarakas> :)
[09:47] <justCarakas> fixed it, it should be updated when the serverside cache is updated
[09:48] <dholbach> beuno, did you see the bug report about myapps not allowing some apps to be published?
[09:50] <dholbach> bug 1358102
[10:03] <popey> dholbach: thanks for filing that bug
[10:03] <dholbach> popey, no worries
[10:33] <nik90> popey: Can you help find someone to review some qml MPs of the clock app?
[10:33] <nik90> popey: I will meanwhile review and fix some calendar app stuff
[10:34] <rpadovani> nik90, I'm available right now
[10:34] <nik90> rpadovani: Hi, can you review the MPs proposed by me at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/+activereviews
[10:35] <nik90> rpadovani: in particular https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-custom-sound-backend/+merge/225812 which has been around for 41 days nearly
[10:35] <rpadovani> nik90, wow, Lot of work :-) I'm on it!
[10:36] <nik90> rpadovani: 4 MPs.. although the 4th https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/improve-timezone-error-handling/+merge/231070 has been reviewed and approved already. So 3 Mps then :)
[10:36] <popey> thanks rpadovani ☻
[10:37] <nik90> mzanetti: can you approve and top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/improve-timezone-error-handling/+merge/231070. You had a first look at it in the weekend. It is also approved by DanChapman.
[10:37] <nik90> mzanetti: actually don't top approve since its prerequisite branch needs to go in first.
[10:38] <popey> nik90: seems we wont have a promoted image today, so I'd recommend pushing a new version to the store as and when you're happy with what's landed
[10:38] <popey> we'll look to switch the apps as soon as we're confident we have a promotable image coming
[10:38] <nik90> popey: I have already pushed the 3 MPs above to the store since friday :D
[10:39] <nik90> popey: but yeah I will push out an update if we land more fixes
[10:39] <rpadovani> nik90, nameFilters: [ "*.ogg", "*.mp3" ]. Why only these two? :-)
[10:40] <nik90> rpadovani: ah that's because those two file types are the only ones in the ringtone folder.
[10:40] <nik90> rpadovani: we don't support custom ringtones yet
[10:40] <rpadovani> nik90, ahhhh, ok, thanks!
[10:40] <rpadovani> code looks good, time to try on phone!
[10:40] <DanChapman> Good Morning all o/
[10:41] <nik90> Good Morning :D
[10:45] <nik90> mihir: do you know when kunal usually comes online on IRC?
[10:54] <rpadovani> There is someone on rev 197?
[10:55] <nik90> rpadovani: me. why?
[10:56] <rpadovani> nik90, does the datetime indicator works? On my phone the clock in up right angle is blocked always on the same minute
[10:56] <nik90> rpadovani: yup, known bug
[10:56] <nik90> rpadovani: also the datetime indicator is empty
[10:56] <rpadovani> nik90, yap, ok, thanks
[10:56] <nik90> rpadovani: it is one of the promotion blockers which started at #189
[10:56] <rpadovani> nik90, btw, approved and top approved https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-custom-sound-backend/+merge/225812
[10:57] <nik90> rpadovani: thnx a lot
[10:57]  * rpadovani needs to read blocker mail, lol
[10:57] <rpadovani> nik90, next one? https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/json-search-ui/+merge/230339 ?
[10:57] <nik90> rpadovani: yes
[11:04] <mihir> nik90: nope , he usually not on IRC,  you can send an email to him
[11:04] <beuno> popey, will take care of it
[11:04] <nik90> mihir: :/ thnx anyway
[11:04] <mihir> nik90: np :)
[11:05] <mihir> nik90: i might need your help on customizing AbstractButton
[11:06] <nik90> mihir: I am working on improving https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CanderMan-List/+merge/231122, but just ping away if you are stuck
[11:10] <mihir> nik90: i will be doing after my office hours not now..:)
[11:10] <nik90> mihir: ack
[11:11] <nik90> popey: it seems like none of the calendar app files have copyright license headers
[11:11] <popey> hah. doh
[11:11] <popey> let me see...
[11:13] <mihir> nik90: popey  you meant this , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8079157/ ?
[11:14] <popey> yes
[11:14] <nik90> mihir: yes
[11:14] <nik90> mihir: although that copyright header was improved in the new clock app
[11:14] <popey> its in the debian/copyright, but not the individual files
[11:14] <mihir> nik90: i'll update this..i'll take reference from Clock app.
[11:15] <mihir> popey: it has to be in all the .qml / .js files ?
[11:15] <mihir> nik90: ^^^
[11:15] <nik90> mihir: take it from the new clock app. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/app/ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[11:15] <popey> anything that consititudes code..
[11:15] <mihir> nik90: sure , thanks for this.
[11:15] <nik90> mihir: np
[11:16] <nik90> mihir: Btw I will be updating all import statement to Ubuntu.components 1.1
[11:17] <mihir> nik90: I was doing that, but i wanted to make sure it doesn't break any functionality, that's why i was little worried to change.
[11:17] <nik90> mihir: well easiest way to check is updating them and run the ap tests, no?
[11:18] <mihir> nik90: hmm  yup that's the way, we're still left with writing AP's for all the functionalities.
[11:18] <nik90> mihir: ok
[11:19] <rpadovani> nik90, I don't know if you know, but the city online search is a bit strange. If I want to add "Samarcanda", if I wirite "Samarcan" nothing appears, and I have to write all the name. I think should appears all the names that partially match the textfield, if 4 or more letters have been written
[11:19] <mihir> popey: does this bug still exists , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1341697 ?
[11:21] <rpadovani> mihir, I'm not able to reproduce it with my google calendar
[11:21] <mihir> rpadovani: so it shows all the recurrence for you ?
[11:22] <rpadovani> mihir, yap
[11:22] <rpadovani> mihir, I have all the ubuntu meeting until the eternity :-)
[11:23] <mihir> hmm thanks for confirming rpadovani  :)
[11:23] <mihir> mhall119: ping !!
[11:27] <popey> dholbach: can you review https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/989/ ? seems to have been sat around a while?
[11:27] <dholbach> popey, bizarre - I didn't see it in the review list
[11:28] <popey> yeah, odd
[11:28] <dholbach> I still can't see it there
[11:28] <dholbach> beuno, ^
[11:28] <dholbach> popey, let me review the others first
[11:28] <popey> k
[11:28] <dholbach> popey, maybe beuno can let us know why it's not turning up on the review list right now
[11:28] <beuno> popey, dholbach, ack, also addde to my list
[11:29] <dholbach> beuno, thanks
[11:29] <beuno> dholbach, the short answer is
[11:29] <beuno> because it's in "needs information" from the deeloper
[11:29] <dholbach> beuno, but since then he uploaded two new versions
[11:29] <popey> but i updated it
[11:29] <popey> oh, i have a "resubmit application" button
[11:30] <popey> let me press that :D
[11:30] <beuno> you guys just want to make me look bad
[11:30] <popey> Your application has been submitted for review.
[11:30] <popey> yes, thats all i live for
[11:30] <dholbach> beuno, are there other ways to upload a new version?
[11:30] <dholbach> other than "resubmit"?
[11:30] <beuno> yeah, I think the UI around some of these flows can be improved a bit
[11:30] <popey> dholbach: does it show in the list now?
[11:30] <beuno> dholbach, I think in the initial submission stage, no
[11:30] <dholbach> popey, yes
[11:30] <beuno> but I'll fix that to feel more natural and predictable
[11:31] <popey> sweet
[11:31] <beuno> it's obscure for historical reasons
[11:31] <dholbach> beuno, I'm just wondering if other apps were caught in the same trap
[11:33] <beuno> maybe
[11:33] <dholbach> hum
[11:33] <dholbach> popey, all your apps are approved now
[11:33] <beuno> lets call it "vacation" instead of "trap"
[11:33] <popey> ta
[11:33] <popey> [Send app to happy place]
[11:33] <popey> need a button which says that
[11:34] <beuno> popey, I await your greasmonkey extension.
[11:34] <popey> hah
[11:45] <dholbach> :-)
[12:09] <rpadovani> popey, there is an open ticket on canonical portal about predictive search for http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/ ?
[12:09] <rpadovani> popey, I mean, I expect that 'Samarcan' gives me 'Samarcanda', but if you query Samarcan result is empty
[12:10] <rpadovani> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Samarcan
[12:10] <rpadovani> http://geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com/?query=Samarcanda
[12:11] <popey> no bug that I know of
[12:11] <rpadovani> popey, could you please open one? I think is quite important
[12:12] <popey> did it used to work?
[12:12] <rpadovani> dunno
[12:12] <rpadovani> maybe is a feature request
[12:12] <nik90> let me check in the old clock app
[12:12] <rpadovani> ah, in the old clock app yes
[12:12] <rpadovani> http://api.geonames.org/searchJSON?style=full&username=uweatherdev&name_startsWith=Farnbor&maxRows=25&featureClass=P
[12:13] <popey> rpadovani: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames is the bug tracker for it
[12:13] <rpadovani> thanks sir
[12:13] <nik90> rpadovani, popey: It doesn't work in the old clock app. So we are not regressing,
[12:13] <nik90> its a feature request
[12:13] <rpadovani> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-geonames/+bug/1045224
[12:14] <rpadovani> Do you think we can up the Importance? i mean, maybe it's me, but I'm a bit annoyed about this
[12:15] <nik90> rpadovani: ok, but I don't think we can get it in before RTM. But let's see what happens
[12:17] <nik90> rpadovani: thnx a lot
[12:18] <rpadovani> nik90, yw, anything else?
[12:19] <nik90> rpadovani: how familiar are you with QML unit tests?
[12:19] <rpadovani> nik90, ~0
[12:19] <nik90> I use QTests as recommended by mzanetti
[12:19] <nik90> rpadovani: ah ok. np
[12:20] <nik90> rpadovani: I recommend keeping an eye on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/add-first-qmltest/+merge/230702 since you might need to add unit tests to reminders app as well
[12:20] <rpadovani> nik90, thanks!
[12:24] <m-b-o> nik90: how do get the correct time out of the timezone? since geoname-lookup has no "dst" field for timezones
[12:25] <m-b-o> nik90: is there or will be a sdk component for this?
[12:25] <nik90> m-b-o: you have to use QTimeZone class where you can set the timezoneID and get the local time there
[12:26] <m-b-o> nik90: clock app has thisalready, I guess?
[12:26] <nik90> m-b-o: QTimezone will automatically take care of dst and all the other rules
[12:26] <nik90> m-b-o: yes, we wrote a custom c++ plugin class
[12:27] <m-b-o> nik90: ok, thanks! will borrow that one :)
[12:27] <nik90> m-b-o: :) You can't borrow it just like that though since we integrate and calculate the data in a list which was required for the world clock city list
[12:27] <nik90> m-b-o: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/files/head:/backend/modules/Timezone/
[12:28] <nik90> m-b-o: however you will be able to see what functions we use. So it shouldn't be hard to create one quickly for your usecase
[12:28] <m-b-o> nik90: ok, I will have a look :)
[12:33] <popey> rpadovani: I'll take a look at it
[12:33] <rpadovani> thanks
[12:52] <Mirv> dbarth: if you can confirm it builds with that changed in debian/control at lp:~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/master , you could probably just quickly rebuild it.
[12:52] <Mirv> mardy: changing ^ to this channel since you're here, libmirclient-dev dependency would need to be libmirclient-dev [!arm64 !powerpc !ppc64 !ppc64el] (and online-accounts would need to accept it can build without it)
[12:54] <Mirv> mardy: or simply !powerpc !ppc64el would be enough for Ubuntu, arm64 has Mir at the moment and arm64 build even succeeded in the PPA
[12:55] <Mirv> mardy: of course, you may need to change some build files to not build the trusted session / Mir support if it's not installed
[12:56] <mardy> Mirv: ah, I didn't know that mir was not available in all platforms
[12:56] <mardy> Mirv: thanks, I'll fix that
[12:58] <Mirv> mardy: thanks! hopefully it's not a big thing, but at least it should have zero effect on other platforms where things continue to be built normally
[13:09] <karni> kalikiana: zsombi: Hi guys! Is there a chance we can do anything to get this landed? [1] It's been a while now since this branch has been proposed, and I heard from Christian it's not being landed because of unrelated unstable tests. This bug is pain to users testing our app. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/organizationDomain/+merge/230085
[13:09] <karni> Your insight appreciated, thanks!
[13:10] <zsombi> karni: once the app_launcher gets fixed... sorry, yet all our stuff - since last Wednesday!!! are pending there
[13:12] <karni> zsombi: I see. Do you know if it's actively being worked on (app_launcher)?
[13:12] <zsombi> karni: yes, it is
[13:12] <karni> zsombi: thanks man
[13:12] <zsombi> karni: welcome
[13:32] <mzanetti> nik90: hey, here's a quiz for you: how many bugs can you spot? http://i.imgur.com/yLOs1Dl.png
[13:34] <popey> haha
[13:35] <nik90> mzanetti: the times are off...that's indicator-datetime's fault :P
[13:35] <popey> translation...
[13:35] <mzanetti> nik90: no.. the app froze
[13:35] <nik90> wat
[13:35] <popey> oof
[13:35] <mzanetti> nik90: yes, the translation too
[13:35] <mzanetti> and the Next alarm in is too small, doesn't say when
[13:36] <nik90> mzanetti: ah the Next Alarm string is not yet implemented.. I am working on it atm.
[13:36] <nik90> mzanetti: so it shows "next alarm in..." always :D
[13:36] <mzanetti> nik90: I guess it shouldn't be in that label though
[13:37] <nik90> mzanetti: what do you mean? When the feature is implemented it will "next alarm in 3h20m" according to design atleast
[13:37] <mzanetti> nik90: but when the app is not frozen it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/lJRCPBv.png
[13:37] <mzanetti> doesn't really help
[13:38] <nik90> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1357945
[13:38] <nik90> mzanetti: I have requested that it behaves like the unity8 dash bottom edge hint
[13:38] <mzanetti> nik90: we (as in unity-team) are really unhappy with that label tbh
[13:38] <mzanetti> and it's probably going away
[13:39] <nik90> mzanetti: oh :P
[13:39] <nik90> mzanetti: well dialer, contacts etc uses it and I don't think we will change that before RTM. it is design call I am afraid
[13:39] <mzanetti> yeah...
[13:39] <mzanetti> well, just saying
[13:40] <nik90> btw how did you get the clock app to freeze? Did it run for a really long time or something?
[13:40] <nik90> it could be an indicative of a memory leak some where perhaps?
[13:40] <mzanetti> dunno... I woke up at 8 today. decided I can't get up yet, set an alarm to 9 and went back to sleep. now I just noticed that the app is still open, but not updating time any more
[13:40] <mzanetti> the time it froze is when I woke up and changed the alarm...
[13:41] <justCarakas> is there someone of online accounts I can ask a question ?
[13:41] <mzanetti> justCarakas: you can try mardy
[13:41]  * mardy hides ;-)
[13:41] <justCarakas> found you :p
[13:42] <nik90> mzanetti: hmm strange...I will try to keep the app open for a long time and see if I can reproduce it.
[13:42] <nik90> I figured popey might have hit this issue long time ago with his usual experience to hit strange bugs :P
[13:42] <popey> ☻
[13:42] <mzanetti> nik90: btw... the app was crashing constantly when setting the alarm (might be related to the bug I fixed which is not released yet)
[13:43] <nik90> mzanetti: yup..oh you are on devel!
[13:43] <mzanetti> nik90: so I had old and new clock open and tried getting that alarm set to 9 with both... eventually I succeeded and left both open
[13:43] <justCarakas> mardy: this bug was filed a while ago to the calendar team but they say it is for online accounts but after that it looks like an abandoned place, can you tell me if and when there could be a fix for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/sync-monitor/+bug/1309042/ ? it is keeping me from switching to U touch
[13:43] <mzanetti> nik90: no... on the promoted one. I installed the new clock app from the store
[13:43] <nik90> mzanetti: yeah that's what I meant..I am rocking the devel-proposed one :)
[13:44] <mzanetti> nik90: yeah, it's my dogfooding phone
[13:44] <nik90> mzanetti: :D
[13:44] <nik90> mzanetti: oh btw go ahead and add some world cities that you helped implemented
[13:44] <nik90> implement*
[13:44] <mzanetti> so the thing is, I usually don't care much for the time in other places :D
[13:45] <nik90> lol
[13:46] <mzanetti> london might be an exception... but I mostly manage to subtract 1 :)
[13:46] <mzanetti> ok. lemme add my work mates timezones, just to test the feature
[13:48] <mzanetti> looks nice :)
[13:48] <nik90> :D
[13:48] <mzanetti> nik90: wondering if the local clock shouldn't stick around and only the list of other places should scroll
[13:48] <nik90> it helps me know when to ping charles, mhall119, popey etc..
[13:49] <nik90> mzanetti: but then you need to scroll the local clock down to see the add city button
[13:49] <mzanetti> yeah... fair point
[13:50] <nik90> although I keep triggering that "add city" button accidentally when I try to scroll down after seeing the world city times.
[13:50] <nik90> I might ask the designer to see if we can change that
[13:51] <mardy> justCarakas: no, online accounts doesn't know anything about calendars
[13:51] <mzanetti> nik90: +1
[13:52] <charles> nik90: pong?
[13:52] <justCarakas> any idea what I should do to get it fixed mardy
[13:53] <nik90> charles: oh no..I didnt ping you
[13:53] <mzanetti> :D
[13:54] <mzanetti> nik90: my suggestion: use the normal page header, move the add city into the settings button and make only the city list scroll
[13:54] <mardy> justCarakas: you'd better talk with bfiller, I don't know enough about calendar-app to help you
[13:55] <mzanetti> nik90: actually, I guess alarms are more important than world clocks... so maybe swap the alarms pull-up thing with the world city list even
[13:55] <justCarakas> bfiller: this bug was filed a while ago to the calendar team but they say it is for online accounts but after that it looks like an abandoned place, can you tell me if and when there could be a fix for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/sync-monitor/+bug/1309042/ ? it is keeping me from switching to U touch
[14:00] <nik90> mzanetti: I will check with design
[14:07] <mhall119> nik90: btw, I'm still getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1358309
[14:08] <nik90> popey: are you able to reproduce ^^
[14:09] <popey> nope
[14:09] <nik90> mhall119: I have been waking up to my daily alarms for several weeks now..I am not sure why I cannot reproduce it.
[14:09] <popey> i set two alarms on my phone, one for 12:00 lunch and one for friday at 17:00 and they both go off all the time
[14:09] <nik90> exactly
[14:09] <nik90> mhall119: old or new clock app?
[14:09] <mhall119> do you both have calendar events synced to those phones?
[14:09] <popey> yes
[14:09] <mhall119> nik90: doesn't seem to matter
[14:09] <nik90> mhall119: I do have calendar events synced
[14:09] <mhall119> nik90: I'm pretty sure it's in the datetime indicator
[14:09] <mhall119> not the clock app
[14:11] <nik90> its really weird
[14:37] <beuno> dholbach, I'm in for the frameworks air thingie, btw
[14:37] <dholbach> rock and roll
[14:37] <dholbach> bzoltan, ^ you as well?
[14:38] <bzoltan> dholbach: beuno: I am all here boys, shaved and fresh :)
[14:39] <dholbach> rock and roll - see you in a bit more than an hour then :)
[14:39] <beuno> if I have to shave, I'm out.
[14:43] <nik90> beuno: you can disable the video :P
[14:44] <beuno> but then you wouldn't see my awesome beard, and then we all loose
[14:44] <nik90> lol
[14:46] <nik90> popey: design bugs incoming :D...I got my work cut out for the week
[14:47] <popey> nik90: "yay"
[14:47] <nik90> :P
[14:53] <nik90> zsombi: Would you have time to work on the alarm enable/disable switch issue with me tomorrow? It is getting more attention from the designers.
[14:53] <zsombi> nik90: tomorrow yes, not today pls
[14:53] <bzoltan> dholbach: I'll bring kalikiana too
[14:54] <nik90> zsombi: me busy today too
[14:55] <dholbach> bzoltan, the more the merrier
[15:55] <bzoltan1> dholbach: will you paste the link to the hangout?
[15:55] <dholbach> if you're interested in a discussion about ubuntu app frameworks, we are going to have a hangout in 5m on http://ubuntuonair.com
[15:56] <dholbach> let mhall119 or myself know if you want to join in
[16:08] <zsombi> seb128: ping
[16:09] <seb128> zsombi, you already did that this morning, I usually don't reply to contentless pings...
[16:10] <zsombi> seb128: ah, ok :D
[16:10] <seb128> zsombi, if you have a question please state it so I can decide if I've the slots to start the discussion
[16:10] <zsombi> seb128: Slider issue in System Settings
[16:10] <seb128> what sort of issue?
[16:10] <zsombi> seb128: ai, sire!
[16:10] <zsombi> seb128: lemme show the bug
[16:11] <zsombi> seb128: bug #1353966
[16:12] <brendand> balloons, hey
[16:13] <zsombi> seb128: so, Ive tried to alter the Flickab;e's interactive property with a Binding, but that doesn't return the original value if there was no property bound to the interactive :/
[16:14] <balloons> brendand, howdy
[16:15] <brendand> balloons, in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trunk/revision/253#manifest.json.in were you thinking that the x-test:autopilot:depends property would work?
[16:16] <zsombi> seb128: what I was thinking is that you can eventually provide a temporary binding in your Flickable - which is as ugly as it can be - so the Binding can return the proper value, or we simply alter the Flickable's interactive property by assignment, which in your case migth work until you do a binding on that
[16:16] <balloons> brendand, ? what do you mean? if I remember correctly I ran using that setup
[16:16] <zsombi> seb128: in which case the binding will be broken
[16:16] <brendand> balloons, it seems ci didn't like it
[16:17] <brendand> balloons, which is using phablet-click-test-setup obviously
[16:17] <seb128> zsombi, not sure I've an opinion on that, the different solutions seems like workaround
[16:17] <balloons> brendand, it's for autopkgtest, but shouldn't break anything
[16:17] <balloons> brendand, reminders has the same in trunk :-)
[16:17] <brendand> balloons, no - but it doesn't fix it either :)
[16:17] <seb128> zsombi, kenvandine did the change to add the slider to the sound panel btw, maybe he has an opinion
[16:17] <seb128> could you try asking on #ubuntu-touch?
[16:18] <balloons> brendand, "fix"? fix what/
[16:18] <seb128> oh
[16:18] <seb128> he's not online
[16:18] <mihir> balloons: ping
[16:18] <balloons> I feel like I'm missing some context here
[16:18] <zsombi> seb128: ok, I'll try to catch him
[16:18] <brendand> balloons, filemanager broke on the dashboard
[16:18] <seb128> zsombi, thanks
[16:18] <zsombi> seb128: both are workarounds and the upstream bug is not progressing :( and there's no trivial solution on that
[16:19] <brendand> balloons, ci uses phablet-click-test-setup and that doesn't cause python3-lxml to be installed, so it was failing with the missing dependency
[16:19] <zsombi> seb128: I thank you, finally I know to whom to talk :D
[16:19] <seb128> zsombi, I would suggest you just pick the workaround you find best and merge propose the change?
[16:20] <balloons> brendand, ahh sure. Adding x-test had nothing to do with ci, just making sure autopkgtest continues to work
[16:20] <zsombi> seb128: yeah... the toolkit's workaround sounds better, at least we can control it more, but in case it overrides the property binding, it won't work for anyone :( that's why I thought maybe a small hack on app would be wiser...
[16:20] <zsombi> seb128: but I'll catch up with Ken, thx!!
[16:20] <seb128> yw!
[16:22] <balloons> brendand, for python3-lxml it will need to be an MP in CI tools.. outside of autopkgtest, there's not way to fix it
[16:22] <balloons> so we can push something to lp"ubuntu-test-cases
[16:23] <brendand> balloons, that's cool - i'm just wondering if it was detected in CI before landing
[16:23] <brendand> balloons, or not
[16:27] <balloons> brendand, I assume it would fail unless python3-lxml is installed on the image by something else
[16:32] <mihir> nik90: ping
[16:35] <mihir> nik90: i have pushed MR for copyright headers , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/CopyrightHeaderComments/+merge/231227
[16:35] <nik90> mihir: go ahead...brb in 15 secs
[16:39] <nik90> mihir: will look at it. Can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-calendar-app/revamp-calendarchoicepage/+merge/231176 for me pls
[16:39]  * mihir reviews MR
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, ping
[16:58] <mihir> nik90: reviewed your MR :)
[17:00] <nik90> mihir: I approved and top approved your mr
[17:00] <mihir> nik90: thanks :)
[17:00] <nik90> mihir: u 2 :)
[17:00] <mihir> balloons: hi
[17:01] <balloons> mihir, gello
[17:01] <mihir> balloons: do you have couple of mins ?
[17:01] <balloons> mihir, what's up?
[17:02] <mihir> balloons: i am doing great, how was your weekend ?
[17:02] <balloons> mihir, excellent, thanks
[17:02] <mihir> balloons: i was wondering if we can fix the Ap issues on Calendar.
[17:03] <balloons> mihir, sure, I seem to remember a new-event issue.. is that what you mean?
[17:03] <mihir> balloons: yup , you showed that is breaking because of delay bug , and you said my machine is fasters so it passes all the Tests heehe
[17:04] <balloons> mihir, ahh right indeed. So mihir do you have a thought on how to wait for things to be loaded?
[17:04] <mihir> balloons: i guess , i should add sleep to break AP on my system right ?
[17:04] <nik90> mihir: btw you guys referring to https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1188819/+merge/230554 ?
[17:05] <balloons> I believe so
[17:05] <nik90> ok
[17:05] <mihir> nik90: yup
[17:08] <mihir> balloons: let me try that.
[17:09] <balloons> mihir, we want to avoid a sleep, and instead use a wait_for().. we just need something to wait for, heh. Meaning, we need a way to know when the page has fully loaded. Is there a qml property we can use for that page?
[17:09] <balloons> you have the spinner animation, for instance, we could wait till that object is destroyed
[17:10] <balloons> make sense ^^
[17:10] <balloons> ?
[17:10] <mihir> balloons: yup it does
[17:22] <mihir> nik90: i wounder how did Jenkins passed your MR..:-|
[17:22] <mihir> wonder*
[17:22] <mihir> balloons: ^^
[17:23] <balloons> mihir, ? who's mr and why? I'm confused?
[17:23] <mihir> balloons:  i just took latest from trunk , made changes and pushed it Jenkins failed it ttps://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/CopyrightHeaderComments/+merge/231227
[17:23] <mihir> balloons: same has been done by nik90 and it Jenkis approves the MR..https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-calendar-app/revamp-calendarchoicepage/+merge/231176
[17:24] <balloons> mihir, the issue you are fighting occurs in trunk too
[17:24] <balloons> mihir, look at the very end of http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-utopic/1596/artifact/calendar_app.tests.test_new_event.NewEventTestCase.test_delete_event_must_remove_it_from_day_view%20%28with%20mouse%29.ogv, from that mp
[17:25] <mihir> balloons: i see that , i wonder how did nik90 MR got approved
[17:25] <mihir> balloons:  it is just about time , so it passes  ?
[17:26] <nik90> mihir: no the failure happens occasionally
[17:26] <nik90> mihir: I noticed my MP fail the first time due to the delete event AP test failing
[17:27] <mihir> nik90: yup , that's what I am confirming..
[17:28] <balloons> mihir, nik90 yep yep
[17:34] <balloons> so mihir can you make the fix?
[17:35] <mihir> balloons: i am trying with , ensure_visible i am not sure this would be correct method or not looking into APIs
[17:35] <balloons> mihir, let me look at it with you then, one sec
[17:35] <mihir> balloons: i should check ActivityIndicator then wait , else proceeed further
[17:36] <mihir> balloons: ActivityIndicator is the spinner in Dayview
[17:36] <balloons> mihir, ok, so it's ActivityIndicator? cool. You would wait_for it to be destryed
[17:36] <mihir> balloons: yup
[17:36] <mihir> balloons: i gave objectName to that
[17:36] <mihir> i'll have to update delete_event test case
[17:36]  * balloons pulls code
[17:38] <balloons> so mihir we'll want to ensure it's used by all the tests
[17:39] <mihir> balloons: yup true, i think we can write this into get_day_view so it'll be handeld automatically in all the cases.
[17:39] <mihir> balloons: we'll be using this , wait_until_destroyed correct ?
[17:39] <balloons> so I think get_eventis the place
[17:41] <balloons> mihir, yep
[17:42] <balloons> mihir, so actually it's probably in _get_event_bubbles
[17:42] <balloons> or _get_current_day_component
[17:55] <ahayzen> balloons, so i'm going back to the ap tests refactor :) ... u said i should be able to have the old and new tests at the same time in the same files....
[17:56] <ahayzen> balloons, but the old emulator MainView inherits toolkit_emulators.MainView and the new one ubuntuuitoolkit.MainView ? can the old tests use the new class?
[17:58] <balloons> ahayzen, you can convert everything over at once.. it's just a renaming thing actually
[17:58] <balloons> the underlying helpers are the same
[17:58] <balloons> you can do the rename before or after the refactor
[17:58] <balloons> it's a seperate thing
[17:59] <ahayzen> balloons, ok cool i'll try ;) .... ah ok....i may do before then
[17:59] <ahayzen> balloons, also the py3 convert i will have to change the cmakes?
[18:01] <balloons> ahayzen, it's already py3, unless I'm crazy
[18:01] <ahayzen> is it?....
[18:01] <balloons> I run it as py3
[18:01] <balloons> the conversion was done some time agao
[18:01] <ahayzen> balloons, this in the cmake doesn't look very py3y COMMAND python -c "from distutils.sysconfig import get_python_lib; print get_python_lib()"
[18:02] <balloons> ahayzen, indeed it's not
[18:02] <balloons> when the conversion happened it's py2 and py3 compatible
[18:02] <balloons> try running the tests with autopilot3
[18:02] <balloons> they will run :-)
[18:03] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah :) ... ok i'll try that in a bit... are the emulators py3 as well? or do they not matter as i can do them now
[18:03] <balloons> ahayzen, yes emulator is also py2 and py3
[18:03] <balloons> ahayzen, btw, it's helpers.. don't use emulators anymore :-)
[18:04] <balloons> you can even rename the file and should
[18:04] <ahayzen> balloons, sweet ... so basically swap all toolkit_emulators.abc for ubuntuuitoolkit.abc? or is it not a straight as that?
[18:04] <balloons> or actullay just place it in __init__.py, so ..
[18:04] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah i saw reminders has it in the __init__
[18:04] <balloons> ahayzen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/notes-app/+bug/1341681
[18:04] <balloons> ahayzen, there's some example mp's in there
[18:05] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks :) ok i'll convert the emulators and move it into __init__ after dinner :) thanks for ur help so far
[18:08] <mihir> balloons: it should be _get_current_day_component
[18:08] <mihir> balloons: i did write this do you find any issues at glance , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8081798/ ?
[18:08] <mihir> it says object wasn't destroy after 10 seconds
[18:09] <balloons> mihir, yea I got the same.. So I did something different just now
[18:09] <balloons> let me share
[18:09] <mihir> balloons: hehehe
[18:09] <balloons> mihir, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8081815/
[18:10] <balloons> mihir, whoops, that's not quite it, lol
[18:10] <popey> ahayzen: pong
[18:10] <balloons> should be             loading_spinner.running.wait_for(False)
[18:10] <balloons> let's try
[18:11] <ahayzen> popey, are there any ms2 guys around you would be able to poke with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner2/+bug/1358275
[18:11] <ahayzen> popey, we found it when testing our content-hub mp and need to figure out if it is actually a ms2 issue ... or us
[18:11] <popey> ahayzen: only pete-woods or jamesh
[18:11] <popey> who I will poke when they come online later..
[18:11] <balloons> mihir, so it works, does it make sense to you?
[18:11] <popey> afk...
[18:12] <ahayzen> popey, thanks :)
[18:12] <balloons> mihir, also I put it inside the _get_event_bubbles as it's really needed for just events, but I can see placing inside _get_current_day_component
[18:12] <balloons> mihir, also, do other pages use the activityindicator? if not, could they?
[18:13]  * mihir_ confirms the use of ActiveIndicator
[18:13] <balloons> I mean, I only find it in timelinebasecomponent
[18:13] <mihir_> balloons: it is being used in weekview too
[18:14] <balloons> I shouldn't sidetrack this too much though..
[18:14] <mihir_> balloons: it uses at two places, day view and weekview.
[18:14] <balloons> mihir_, ok, so we should do the same in weekview
[18:14] <mihir_> balloons: yup , did you update _get_current_day_component as well ?
[18:14] <balloons> but not in this mp :-)
[18:15] <balloons> mihir_, you could but the try block in either place.. I wouldn't argue too strongly
[18:15] <balloons> however, _get_event_bubbles is where I would put it, heh, which is why I did
[18:16]  * balloons wants to see jenkins run it now :-)
[18:22] <mihir_> balloons: finally it runs :D
[18:23] <balloons> mihir_, push it up, let's let jenkins have a try
[18:25] <mihir> balloons: i guess now we can remove the workaround writtien , whta do you say ?
[18:26] <balloons> mihir, which one is that?
[18:26] <balloons> I would add the code I put in the paste
[18:27] <mihir> balloons: i guess we have added  workaround_bug_1350605 because of this refresh issues.
[18:27] <balloons> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8081914/
[18:28] <mihir> balloons: not talking about recent changes..
[18:29] <mihir> balloons: talking about this workaround , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8081923/
[18:30] <balloons> mihir, ohh, no that still exists.. see the bug :-)
[18:43] <mihir> balloons: there you go , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1188819/+merge/230554
[18:43]  * mihir waits to Jenkis pass this MR
[18:56] <nik90> mihir: are you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1326833?
[18:57] <davmor2> hey guys can some one on a current image add a city to the weather app and let it search and let me know if the spinning red search icon is now not around the x icon in the search box please
[18:57] <mihir> nik90: i'll start working on that , once I fix the other two
[18:57] <mihir> nik90: i am waiting for Jenkins to pass the test
[18:59] <nik90> davmor2: confirmed
[18:59] <nik90> davmor2: the SDK devs made the x icon smaller. This is causing the bug in the weather app. Should be a simple fix for the weather app devs
[19:01] <mihir> balloons: It passed :D
[19:01] <mihir> nik90: could you review an TA MR , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1188819/+merge/230554
[19:01] <nik90> balloons: hangout?
[19:03] <balloons> nik90, yes sorry
[19:31] <balloons> mihir, nice.. I'll top approve
[19:32] <balloons> mihir, but first, one more run to make sure it's stable kk?
[19:32] <balloons> hello Letozaf_
[19:32] <balloons> nik90, thanks for the hangout
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello :)
[19:32] <ahayzen> balloons, is it ok to still use from ubuntuuitoolkit import base and then base.get_qmlscene_launch_command() ?
[19:32]  * mihir runs jenkins again on MR.
[19:33] <balloons> mihir, I kicked it off, no need
[19:33] <balloons> it's running :-)
[19:33] <mihir> balloons: awesome thanks for that..
[19:33] <balloons> thanks for the test
[19:33] <mihir> balloons: thank you for your help, we fixed two AP's if this goes well
[19:34] <balloons> mihir, yes, you fixed a bug in trunk, and added a test
[19:34] <balloons> now that is a nice mp
[19:34] <mihir> balloons: yup , finally learning writting AP.
[19:35] <mihir> balloons: now regarding using date picker in AP, we should use set_picker function is that correct?
[19:41] <balloons> mihir, yes indeed
[19:41] <balloons> anytime there is a helper for something, use it :-) And if there isn't, whine about it and file a bug so it gets made.. lol.. or make a helper and propose it so everyone can use it as part of the toolkit helpers
[19:42] <balloons> I prefer the latter option :-)
[19:49] <balloons> mihir, success again.. woot
[19:50] <balloons> mihir, top approved
[19:51] <mihir> balloons: wooh, finally :d
[19:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, so I meant to ask you, how did you solve the page11 issue?
[19:51] <nik90> balloons: yw
[19:51] <balloons> nik90, it was you?
[19:51] <nik90> balloons: ?
[19:52] <nik90> balloons: no no I was referrring to the hangout :D
[19:52] <nik90> balloons: Letozaf_ solved that by herself (page11)
[19:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, I didn't do much, I just branched clock/reboot and put my tests in and instead of page11 I found WorldCityList page
[19:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, so someone else did the work :P
[19:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, I just found it done
[19:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, the test is nearly complete: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-clock-app/new-add_world_city_test/+merge/231131
[19:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have only an issue with the count property of userWorldCityRepeater
[19:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, nik90 ahh.. I suspect we may have just encountered something a bit off with the packages at that moment in time.. Makes me feel better
[19:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, excellent news. If there is anything I can help with let me know
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have only one issue with the count property of userWorldCityRepeater but nik90 is looking at this
[19:56] <nik90> balloons: the issue Letozaf_ has with the count property can be seen within QML as well. So I need to investigate deeper to see what the problem there is.
[19:56] <Letozaf_> nik90, o/
[19:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, always finding bugs :-)
[19:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, nik90 :P
[19:56] <nik90> :)
[20:14] <mihir> balloons: pin
[20:14] <mihir> balloons: when i pass date to set_picker , it throw back some error like this , any quick ideas, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8082696/ ?
[20:15] <balloons> mihir, code? looks like it can't find 2008
[20:16] <mihir> balloons: but i passed 2008 as date , so it should be there in picker
[20:17] <mihir> balloons: here it is , it is very dirty code , http://paste.ubuntu.com/8082708/
[20:17] <mihir> first three line to parse date , and then it calls function to fill_start_date
[20:17] <balloons> mihir, what is value?
[20:17] <balloons> ahh I see
[20:18] <mihir> balloons: i can see that it parsing properly and take first Year ,
[20:18] <mihir> balloons: i got let me try that
[20:19] <mihir> it is past so won't be able to find
[20:19] <mihir> balloons: worked :D
[20:27] <ahayzen_> balloons, mind checking over https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/ap-new-emulators-1341681/+merge/231256 when you have a moment?
[20:28] <balloons> ahayzen_, sure thing
[20:28] <ahayzen_> balloons, thanks :)
[20:29] <balloons> ahayzen_, why is the diff so big?
[20:29] <ahayzen_> balloons, because i moved everything from emulators.py to __init__.py ?
[20:30] <mihir> balloons: while creating new event , AP should create event for some other day or just open select today's date and go ahead?
[20:30] <mihir> or balloons we should create new AP for thi s?
[20:30] <mihir> this*
[20:30] <ahayzen_> balloons, all that has changed in that massive block is the class MainView inherits from
[20:30] <ahayzen_> balloons, other than that it is a straight cut and paste
[20:35] <balloons> ahayzen_, ahh right that's it
[20:41] <balloons> ahayzen_, looks fine having a look at it
[20:41] <ahayzen_> balloons, cool :)
[20:47] <ahayzen_> balloons, thanks for the approval :)
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was trying to run my tests on my device, but look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8083117/
[21:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, hmm
[21:33] <nik90> balloons: could that be similar to the app launch errors that the SDK has atm?
[21:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, nik90 I have no idea of what this could be :O
[21:33] <nik90> balloons, Letozaf_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-launch/+bug/1357252
[21:33] <nik90> Letozaf_: short version: not your fault :)
[21:34] <Letozaf_> nik90, :-) well this makes me feel better :P
[21:34] <nik90> hehe
[21:46] <rpadovani> popey, o/
[21:46] <popey> rpadovani: o/
[21:47] <rpadovani> popey, about bug 1357983, it's a regression caused by the fix for slowdown
[21:48] <rpadovani> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/ubuntu-calculator-app/1332567
[21:48] <popey> oops
[21:48] <rpadovani> ironically, the mr with more approvation ever for calculator :D
[21:49] <popey> ☻
[21:49] <balloons> popey, new calendar just upped
[21:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, nik90 sorry
[21:50] <rpadovani> popey, so, I revert this one, reopen the bug about slowdown, or wait to fix it? I have no idea on how fix it, so I think will be a long work, what bug do you prefer?
[21:50] <rpadovani> meanwhile, I'll write autopilot test to make balloons happy :-)
[21:50] <nik90> balloons: ?
[21:50] <balloons> rpadovani, ohh brillant.
[21:50] <balloons> nik90, I didn't answer her before it got too late
[21:50] <balloons> heh, she quit as I tried to do so
[21:50] <nik90> balloons: ah..no worries I can inform her by email
[21:52] <ahayzen_> balloons, should we be using? self.pointing_device = Pointer(self.input_device_class.create())
[21:52] <ahayzen_> balloons, or were we supposed to be using something else now?
[21:53] <rpadovani> popey, mhh, it's a bit late, we'll talk better tomorrow
[21:53] <ahayzen_> balloons, or is it just in the ubuntuuitoolkit.MainView ? as i haven't seen it declared in the clockapp tests yet
[21:56] <popey> rpadovani: ok
[21:58] <balloons> ahayzen_, no need to declare it at all
[21:58] <ahayzen_> balloons, ok cool
[21:58] <balloons> :-)
[21:58]  * ahayzen_ thinks he is nearly there with an initial mini conversion
[22:00] <cryptoguy> hello
[22:00] <cryptoguy> anyone there?
[22:01] <cryptoguy> any ideas for a new app?
[22:02] <popey> cryptoguy: hi
[22:02] <nik90> cryptoguy: just check what apps you run on your current phone and see if it is missing on ubuntu touch?
[22:03] <cryptoguy> I'm talking about new ideas
[22:04] <nik90> cryptoguy: you have any particular category in mind?
[22:05] <cryptoguy> well... not really, any good idea will do
[22:06]  * popey looks at his phone
[22:06] <cryptoguy> nik90: what do you have in mind?
[22:08] <nik90> cryptoguy: I would like to see Trello on ubuntu touch, but it is not exactly new
[22:10] <cryptoguy> nik90: It's a nice app indeed...
[22:10] <cryptoguy> nik90: something else...?
[22:12] <nik90> cryptoguy: AntennaPod (podcast app)
[22:13] <popey> I'd like a mumble app
[22:13] <cryptoguy> popey: what's a mumble app?
[22:13] <popey> and a voice memo app
[22:13] <popey> http://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Main_Page
[22:13] <popey> thats mumble
[22:13] <popey> its a voice chat system like teamspeak
[22:14] <popey> open source, so needs porting
[22:14] <cryptoguy> popey: oh I see, seems good
[22:34] <nik90> balloons: coudl you trigger jenkins on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/play-sound-preview/+merge/230959
[22:35] <nik90> balloons: it failed for no apparent reason..want to check if it had to do with a missing package dependency
[22:42] <popey> erk, jenkins barfed on me
[22:43]  * popey asks in -ci-eng
[23:03] <nik90> balloons: ping
[23:10] <ahayzen_> balloons, ping as well :)
[23:12] <nik90> elopio: ping
[23:33] <nik90> ahayzen_: make sure to ask balloons phone number to find another way of contacting (nudging) him :D
[23:34] <ahayzen_> nik90, hah :) we need a direct line to him ;)
[23:34] <nik90> ahayzen_: exactly


[08:48]  * Ms_Angel_D is away: Gone away for now
[13:45] <nlsthzn> Hehe... should have known there would be an IRC channel... :p
[18:26]  * Ms_Angel_D is back.


[12:25] <Seveas> crazytales2, neh, just now
[12:25] <mc44> yep, Seveas will never be sober again :)
[12:25] <Seveas> maybe apokryphos is sober enough =)
[12:26] <crazytales2> apokryphos: ^^
[12:26] <apokryphos> hm, I did just have a tomato juice
[12:26] <apokryphos> might still be ok
[12:26] <apokryphos> @btlogin
[12:26] <PriceChild> The whole history isn't on the bantracker...
[12:27] <apokryphos> Seveas: OperationalError: database is locked
[12:27] <apokryphos>       args = ('database is locked',)
[12:27] <Seveas> apokryphos, try again
[12:27] <Seveas> F5 usually fixes that
[12:27] <Seveas> I should write some try_locking code
[12:27] <Seveas> but as stated before: I'm not sober
[12:28] <apokryphos> =)
[12:28] <apokryphos> looks like ubotu was on holiday for a bit
[12:29] <apokryphos> looks like it was a notice though, yeah
[12:29] <ubotu> mwe called the ops in #ubuntu
[12:29] <apokryphos> crazytales2: we'll lift your ban but please don't do that again :P
[12:29] <crazytales2> Ok
[12:29] <crazytales2> Thanks apokryphos
[12:29] <crazytales2> Thanks apokryphos
[12:29] <crazytales2> oops
[12:29] <crazytales2> wrong scrollback.
[12:30] <Seveas> nothing wrong with thanking him twice
[12:30] <Seveas> he's a nice guy =)
[12:30] <mc44> Seveas: thats the alcohol talking :p
[12:30] <Seveas> neh
[12:30] <Seveas> if I'd say: mc44 is a nice guy
[12:30] <Seveas> then I'm too drunk to chat
[12:30] <mc44> :)
[12:31] <Seveas> this is just slightly intoxicated
[12:31] <apokryphos> we really need the !addquote ;)
[12:32] <apokryphos> the quote database we used to have was pretty nice; some classic in -release-party the other day
[12:32] <apokryphos> like the guy who refused to go to the toilet until feisty was released
[12:33] <mc44> I'm not going to the toilet until gutsy is released
[12:33] <gouki> Someone actually said that!? :| Hehe
[12:33] <Seveas> I'm not taking a shower until Zany Zebra is out
[12:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Yadra said: ubotu: what is the value of pi?
[12:39] <crazytales2> ubotu: what is the value of pi?
[12:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, crazytales2 said: ubotu: what is the value of pi?
[12:39] <crazytales2> that's a bug in ubotu ...
[12:39] <LjL> one more highlight and i strangle you
[12:39] <LjL> where's the bug?
[12:39] <PriceChild> LjL, how're you being hilighted?
[12:40] <mc44> its not a bug, its a feature
[12:40] <mc44> PriceChild: ops :)
[12:40] <LjL> PriceChild: oh, by "ops" for one
[12:40] <PriceChild> ahh :)
[12:40] <mc44> PriceChild: I have a list of LjL higlights if you want :)
[12:40] <LjL> mc44: you only think you do
[12:42] <mc44> LjL: it is in no way complete, Im sure
[12:45] <LjL> mc44: it's misleading too :)
[12:47] <mc44> LjL: how so?
[12:47] <LjL> mc44: i don't always lie
[12:47] <mc44> ah :)
[01:15] <elkbuntu> Seveas, aoirthior has had way more than enough chances and warnings for trolling
[01:15] <Seveas> yeah, but never been kickable over the line
[01:16] <elkbuntu> actually, he has several times, but always at 'no ops watching' moments
[01:16] <mc44> we are infringing on his right to be mildly annoying, apparently
[01:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ohio, Vorian said: !Dune is the best Science Fiction Novel (and series) Science Fiction of all time.
[02:01] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ohio, Vorian said: !Dune is the best Science Fiction Novel (and series) Science Fiction of all time. http://www.dunenovels.com
[02:04] <poningru> ...
[02:05] <Vorian> fo realz poningru :)
[02:24] <atoponce> dune is *ok* :)
[02:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, Yadra said: what is the latest version of ubuntu?
[02:24] <ubotu> In ubotu, Yadra said: what is the name of 7.04
[02:26] <tonyyarusso> !feisty > Yadra
[02:45] <peepsalot> i upgraded my router firmware can someone test me
[03:23] <peepsalot> anybody home?
[03:23] <peepsalot> i would like to be able to join #ubuntu again
[03:25] <jrib> peepsalot: join me in #jrib
[03:30] <jrib> peepsalot: ok you're all set.  Thanks for your patience
[03:31] <peepsalot> thank you, :D
[06:05] <Yggdrasil> i need to be cleared to get back into #ubuntu, can somone please help me?
[06:10] <Yggdrasil> anyone ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Yggdrasil: you're fine
[06:10] <Yggdrasil> yar
[06:10] <Yggdrasil> i know
[06:10] <ubotu> DARKGuy called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:11] <Hobbsee> you should be fine
[06:11] <Hobbsee> (dealt with the ops call)
[06:11] <Yggdrasil> ok dokie
[06:11] <Yggdrasil> thanks
[06:11] <Yggdrasil> apreciate it
[06:12] <Hobbsee> [14:10]  --> GeForce6800Ultra has joined this channel (n=chatzill@71-34-165-64.desm.qwest.net).
[06:12] <Hobbsee> what a moron
[06:12] <Hobbsee> nalioth: what do you do about spammers?
[06:13] <nalioth> i'm finding this one now
[06:13] <nalioth> why, is he elsewhere?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> see #ubuntu
[06:13] <Hobbsee> no, not yet
[06:29] <jughead> hello, I'd like to be tested to make sure I'm connected to freenode on the correct port
[06:31] <nalioth> jughead: join me in #moderation, please
[06:33] <nalioth> jughead: you are good to go, you can join #ubuntu now and thanks for your patience  :)
[06:33] <jughead> thanks nalioth
[06:36] <poningru> nn
[06:37] <Hobbsee> night nalioth
[07:19] <Seveas> Morning's Here
[07:19] <Seveas> The Morning is Here
[07:19] <Seveas> Sunshine is Here
[07:19] <Seveas> The Sky is Clear
[07:19] <Seveas> The Morning's here
[07:19] <Seveas> Get into Gear
[07:19] <Seveas> Breakfast is near
[07:19] <Seveas> The Dark of Night Has Disappeared
[07:20] <Seveas> 10 points for the one who knows where this text is from :)
[07:20] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[07:20] <Hobbsee> how's the hangover, Seveas?
[07:20] <Seveas> habgover?
[07:20] <Seveas> well, I can't spell, but that's normal
[07:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:21] <Seveas> public transport is sort of on strik today
[07:21] <Seveas> strike*
[07:22] <Seveas> they only work during rush hour, so I have to go to work early :/
[07:22] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[07:26] <poningru> tuesday's here
[07:26] <poningru> did you bring your umbrella?
[07:26] <poningru> MY SPOON IS TOOO BIG
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> ...huh?
[07:30] <Seveas> poningru, webl & bob?
[07:31] <poningru> no wai
[07:31] <poningru> its from rejected
[07:31] <Seveas> ah
[07:31] <poningru> its a weird set of cartoons
[07:31] <poningru> forgot who drew them
[07:31] <Seveas> I only recognized the spoon to big thing, didn't know from where :)
[07:31] <poningru> its really weird
[07:31] <Seveas> rejected is cool
[07:32] <poningru> yeah the one that got me hooked was 'MY ANUS IS BLEEDING, YAAAAAAAAAAY'
[07:32] <Seveas> :)
[07:32] <Seveas> we need that ubuntu quote database back :)
[07:33] <Seveas> your last line is so perfectly insane out of context
[07:35] <poningru> rofl sooo true
[07:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:39] <poningru> http://youtube.com/watch?v=EKfQ7p4BtfM
[07:39] <poningru> I think thats it
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I will say, that's the first time I've seen a cartoon apocalypse.
[07:48] <poningru> isnt it awesome?
[07:49] <poningru> so awesome
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> I guess
[07:51] <cables> Just curious: why are two of you opped in #ubuntu?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> cables: because my script doesnt auto-deop
[07:53] <cables> Hobbsee, ah :)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> who's the other?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> oh, Seveas
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Odd.  The Open Week wiki doesn't link to IRC client instructions.  Fixing that...
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Ubotu's link for Konversation howto is broken or down - do we have our own docs on that?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: konversation howto .w.r.t what?
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: something equiv to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:03] <ubotu> In ubotu, cables said: effects is <reply> For help with Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects.
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> !effects
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about effects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> !effects > cables
[08:05] <cables> tonyyarusso, thanks :)
[08:13] <elkbuntu> nice only one killed
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: zero.
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> "Client quit" and "Killed by naliot*"
[08:15] <elkbuntu> wow... yeah.. i only glanced
[08:45] <ubotu> mwe called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:45] <ubotu> phratman called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:39] <Hobbsee> yay, channel numbers are dropping again
[09:39] <apokryphos> could just be the very early morning though
[09:39] <Hobbsee> true
[09:40] <Madpilot> only 0040 PDT - still daytime for geeks :)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:40] <poningru> \o/
[09:41] <poningru> 0340 here
[09:41] <apokryphos> all the real Geeks are in Europe
[09:42] <poningru> ...
[09:42] <apokryphos> people from other locations are probably too cool
[09:43] <apokryphos> ;)
[10:55] <PriceChild> ping Seveas
[10:59] <PriceChild> I may have to run.... on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+poll/cc2007-dholbach/+vote-simple you've not spelt the url to his launchpad page correctly. https://launhcpad.net/~dholbach
[12:37] <Amaranth> apokryphos: http://www.opencompositing.org/showthread.php?t=8 is you?
[12:50] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, kbrooks said: !automatix is NOT proprietary
[01:04] <elkbuntu> convinced him yet?
[01:05] <PriceChild> I think so :)
[01:05] <PriceChild> He thinks we should link to automatix in #ubuntu though...
[01:06] <PriceChild> oh wait that was a not....
[01:06] <PriceChild> ah i like him agani now :)
[01:09] <gnomefreak> i guess he went from Eu to AM
[01:11] <GazzaK> PriceChild, what did you message him?
[01:12] <PriceChild> explaining how they don't provide source despite claiming to be gpl'd
[01:12] <gnomefreak> please dont feed the animals :(
[01:12] <PriceChild> he agreed
[01:13] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: he does this its normal and btw you ask for source to automatix they will give it to you (from what thier site used to say) not sure what it says now
[01:14] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, but the gpl says they must offer it with downloads.
[01:14] <PriceChild> you shouldn't have to ask.
[01:14] <PriceChild> #ubuntu's getting a bit rowdy...
[01:14] <GazzaK> kick em all
[01:16] <nalioth> we can start with GazzaK
[01:16] <GazzaK> yeah, as if I care :p
[01:16] <nalioth> 10 kick gazzak
[01:16] <nalioth> 20 is gazzak here?
[01:16] <nalioth> 20 yes - kick gazzak
[01:17] <GazzaK> meh
[01:17] <nalioth> 30 no - wait for gazzak > 20
[01:17] <GazzaK> spam!
[01:17] <GazzaK> :p
[01:17] <nalioth> careful what you wish for . . .     <EG>
[01:17] <GazzaK> I want a pony
[01:18] <nalioth> gnomefreak: it needs to be available w/o knowing WHO to ask
[01:18] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:23] <mc44> gnomefreak: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AnonFTPAndSendSources
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:27] <Amaranth> PriceChild: GPL says if you don't offer if with the binary you have to offer it on request for up to 3 years from the date you gave out the binary
[01:27] <Amaranth> iirc
[01:27] <Amaranth> oh, mc44 already has a link
[01:27] <PriceChild> I think its a matter of opinion on how you read it....
[01:28] <mc44> they should be equally availiable from my reading of it
[01:28] <PriceChild> but I think the most agreed version is that they must be "offered"
[01:29] <Amaranth> iirc automatix is based on a GPL'ed work
[01:29] <Amaranth> but they might have rewritten the whole thing 5 times since then
[01:30] <jrib> I know they claimed it was rewritten at least once and then got rid of the GPL and put it in some license they wrote themselves, a while ago though
[01:30] <mc44> haha, homebrew licenses ftw :)
[01:33] <Amaranth> That means according to the OSI it's not open source
[01:34] <Amaranth> So, factoid is good then :)
[01:34] <jrib> it may have been changed back, I don't know the current status
[01:34] <Amaranth> I guarantee it's not DFSG-Free :)
[01:34] <PriceChild> jrib, but the say gpl in the current stuff ;)
[01:35] <jrib> PriceChild: ah
[01:35] <PriceChild> afaict they don't even state the full license.... they just say "licensed gpl"
[01:35] <PriceChild> which isn't good either
[01:35] <PriceChild> but aaaanyway :)
[01:39] <jrib> I got the feisty deb from getautomatix.com, it seems like it's all python
[01:39] <PriceChild> jrib, yes but there's a precompiled blob in there with no source.
[01:43] <CheshireViking> Hi, can I just pass on a security warning I'm getting accessing the factoid database via the web, I get the message that "bugbot.ubuntulinux.nl" is a site that uses a security certificate to encrypt....but its certificate expired on 04/18/2007
[01:45] <apokryphos> Amaranth: yes
[01:53] <apokryphos> Amaranth: know anything more about what this rubbish is about?
[01:53] <Amaranth> We got sick of all the fighting about what to do with the forum
[01:53] <Amaranth> So imnotpc and iXce bought a vB license and set it up
[01:56] <apokryphos> I can't believe they think that's a solution
[02:01] <Tm_T> I assume we have enough ops to herd people in #ubuntu-classroom
[02:01] <PriceChild> I have an exam in 1/2 hour.... gonna miss the start :(
[02:03] <Tm_T> I will follow it from "work"
[02:39] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, what forum is this?
[02:39] <apokryphos> elkbuntu: the one to replace the beryl+compiz one
[02:40] <apokryphos> * ones
[02:43] <elkbuntu> whats the new name?
[02:50] <apokryphos> I don't think it's been decided yet
[02:51] <Hobbsee> boo
[02:54] <apokryphos> yakaka
[03:07] <nalioth> jrib: quick, delete it and wash your hands!
[03:07] <Hobbsee> anything interesting happen?
[03:08] <nalioth> CheshireViking: you'll be fine.
[03:09] <Myrtti> Tm_T: you know how funny I feel from time to time
[03:09] <Myrtti> Tm_T: I can always point at my business card and say that "IRC is work"
[03:09] <CheshireViking> nalioth, i wasn't bothered about the certificate, i've used the factoids plenty of times before, just wanted to report it for info
[03:10] <nalioth> yes, the dutchman is too cheap to buy a real certificate
[03:11] <nalioth> any cloaked ubuntu member is an op in #ubuntu-classroom
[03:11] <nalioth> jrib: ^^^
[03:15] <Pumpernickel> ^^
[03:15] <Pumpernickel> I like my essy cloak.
[03:17] <nalioth> Pumpernickel: are you aware you are missing out on ops in many channels?
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> I am now, but I don't really do much op work anyway.
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> #xubuntu is quite quiet.
[03:18] <nalioth> but you "could" help with Open Week
[03:18] <nalioth> theoretically
[03:21] <Pumpernickel> Looks like fun.
[03:22] <apokryphos> for new people, perhaps
[03:31] <elkbuntu> ah, so aoirthoir is now addressing people as the letter g rather than women's undergarments?
[04:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti, yup <3
[04:07] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I wait time I could say the same "officially" :)
[04:08] <gnomefreak> seravitae may come in asking why he is banned please tell him its due to his quit message
[04:08] <gnomefreak> or when i get to lighten the load on pc ill put it in bantracker
[04:11] <Hobbsee> argh, we couldnt disable @schedule in -classroom could we?
[04:14] <LjL> gnomefreak: done it for you
[04:14] <gnomefreak> LjL: ty
[04:22] <Tm_T> aww, public aways in #ubuntu-classroom
[04:23] <PriceChild> woo exam over, gonna make the start of open week :D
[04:25] <Tm_T> PriceChild: I'm in workplace atm, will follow from here some hours
[04:32] <Tm_T> hmm, in #ubuntu-classroom has there been any traffic after 17:22 -!- ttthijs is now known as ttthijs|afk
[04:32] <Tm_T> or did I mess my ignore settings =)
[04:32] <mc44> nope
[04:32] <mc44> well just some people insulting Tm_T
[04:33] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:33] <Tm_T> thanks sir
[05:04] <PriceChild> woo started :)
[05:05] <Tm_T> +m would reduse noise
[05:06] <PriceChild> jono's decision suppose...
[05:06] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:09] <Tm_T> ...and public aways </3
[05:10] <Tm_T> ...and you muted jono for a moment =)
[05:15] <gnomefreak> .win 19
[05:16] <Tm_T> winwin
[05:56] <Pici> Hm... !flash probably should be revised, its a recursive factoid at the moment/
[05:56] <Pici> !flash
[05:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:56] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[05:57] <PriceChild> !-flash
[05:57] <ubotu> flash is <alias> codecs - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 21:43:29
[05:57] <ubotu> flash-also has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-01-26 01:05:17
[05:57] <PriceChild> Pici, that's because it is an alias of codecs...
[05:57] <LjL> if you won't want people to know there's flash 9 available, ok :P
[05:58] <Pici> I realize that, but !flash says see !flash, thts what I'm referring to.
[05:58] <Pici> Usually if a definition says see: whatever, you expect to go look up another word and get another definition.
[06:03] <mc44> cant we just put a
[06:03] <mc44> links to the flash bit pof restricted formats
[06:03] <jrib> pof?
[06:04] <mc44> *of
[06:04] <mc44> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[06:19] <LjL> Pici, problem is, people also call !flash9 separately, and if you do that, the "see !flash" makes sense
[06:19] <LjL> i realize that when you call !flash that's a circular link, but... hey, a human being can spot one and not go into an infinite loop :P
[06:20] <Pici> !flash9
[06:20] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[06:20] <LjL> !flash
[06:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:20] <Pici> LjL: The reason I brought it up was because someone did try to pull it up twice in #ubuntu
[06:20] <LjL> Pici: see? this way, if i type !flash after you typed !flash9, the flash 9 part isn't even repeated
[06:21] <LjL> pici, v pnyy gung oenvaqrngu
[06:21] <Pici> LjL: What?
[06:22] <LjL> Pici: /msg ubotu rot13 whatisaid
[06:22] <Pici> hehe.
[06:22] <Pici> I thought it was welsh at first ;)
[06:22] <LjL> :P
[06:26] <mc44> LjL: why not just put both flash bits in one factoid instead of linking to codecs
[06:27] <LjL> mc44: because the main flash bit *is* codecs, and if that factoid gets updated (like, the URL changes), it's probably useful to update !flash as well. i.e., it's an alias.
[06:27] <LjL> then came flash9, but can't really put that inside !codecs itself, it's already overloaded enough
[06:28] <LjL> besides really
[06:28] <LjL> i don't think it wouldn't get called twice or such things, even if there weren't the "recursive loop"
[06:28] <LjL> people just see a factoid being called, and call it again without even *noticing* the bot answered it
[06:29] <LjL> i do !flash | mc44, and immediately after you do !flash yourself. happened again and again, with non-recursive factoids...
[06:29] <mc44> why not flash is To install flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash. Flash 9 is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports
[06:30] <mc44> and maybe a bit about gnash at the end
[06:30] <LjL> mc44: because i didn't really know (or remember) that the RestrictedFormats page had been split into subpages
[06:30] <LjL> it wasn't like that
[06:30] <LjL> !no flash is <reply> To install Llash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash. Flash 9 is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !gnash
[06:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[06:30] <LjL> !-flash-also
[06:30] <ubotu> flash-also has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-01-26 01:05:17
[06:30] <mc44> LjL: Llash :p
[06:30] <LjL> !forget flash-also
[06:30] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[06:30] <LjL> mc44: yeah, i fixed that
[06:31] <mc44> thanks :)
[06:31] <LjL> !no flash9 is <alias> flash
[06:31] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[06:31] <Pici> So you  listen to mc44 but not me?
[06:32] <Pici> :p
[06:32] <mc44> Pici: I'm *special* :)
[06:32] <LjL> Pici, he gave a valid argument - namely, that there is a RestrictedFormat subpage specific to Flash :)
[06:32] <LjL> i mean, the argument about recursive linking was valid as well, but it was just an undesired side-effect of something that worked well otherwise
[06:51] <effie_jayx> nice , http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=c9ghEaJxEVs&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/c9ghEaJxEVs/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLbHRsXCD5xpsZXtQnk_aPS
[06:52] <effie_jayx> tastefull trolling ? you be the judge :D
[07:23] <effie_jayx> tsmithe,  sup dude
[07:23] <tsmithe> hiya effie_jayx it's good. just got school more into free software :)
[07:23] <tsmithe> you?
[07:24] <effie_jayx> tsmithe,  all good ... :D
[07:24] <tsmithe> great!
[07:52] <LjL> bwahaha
[07:52] <LjL> now banforward him for CAPS :P
[07:53] <PriceChild> where?
 there was no one active on the #ubuntuhelp channel :(
[08:05] <mc44> is that still there?
[08:32] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:47] <nixternal> Seveas: possible to get ubotu to change the topic in #ubuntu-classroom automatically via the fridge?
[08:47] <Seveas> nixternal, doable
[08:48] <Seveas> let's talk in 10 minutes
[08:48] <nixternal> I am putting in the dates and times of all of the open week stuff and starting the name with OpenWeek if that helps at all
[08:48] <nixternal> I am going to be heading to class here soon, but if there is anything on the fridge I can do to make it easier to implement, let me know
[08:48] <nixternal> I will put the rest of the week in tonight when I get home from class
[08:49] <Seveas> make sure to metion #ubuntu-classroom or OpenWeek in all items
[08:49] <Seveas> I'll look at it then
[09:15] <mneptok> ahoyhoy
[09:16] <jenda> mneptok: you never had any.
[09:16] <mneptok> i'm seeing the sun!
[09:25] <Burgwork> mneptok: what are you doing up so early?
[09:31] <mneptok> Burgwork: new schedule. switched to working 1900-0400UTC
[09:31] <Burgwork> ah
[09:31] <Burgwork> am I going to see you in Sevilla?
[09:32] <mneptok> no, but you'll see MagicFab, seated behind me. and EtienneG to my right.
[09:32] <Burgwork> cool
[09:32] <ompaul> sleeping under the desk?
[09:32] <Burgwork> who many work in the secret Canonical support HQ now?
[09:34] <mneptok> including the magic trolls?
[09:34] <mneptok> thousands.
[09:34] <mneptok> we have a zombified slave army of magic trolls.
[09:34] <Burgwork> without the magic trolls
[09:35] <mneptok> 2
[09:35] <Burgwork> except, you, Jeff, magicfab and etienne at least make 4
[09:35] <mneptok> MagicFab is just a persona of mine. jbailey and EtienneG are the same person, who i have never met. :)
[09:36] <mc44> mneptok: just as long as you arent being cloned
[09:37] <ompaul> set X = mneptok ^ mneptok
[09:49] <Tm_T> PriceChild: that watchme is near of trolling soon I afraid
[09:49] <PriceChild> Tm_T, I know....
[09:49] <Tm_T> dunno why but I'm nearly crying here
[09:50] <PriceChild> What's up?
[09:50] <PriceChild> I don't think TLE's questions will be making it either...
[09:51] <Myrtti> /me gives Tm_T a hugglebear
[09:53] <Tm_T> I know I can be arse, but still, somehow I get really angry when I notice discrimination and ignorance
[09:55] <mneptok> omg you said arse!
[09:55] <Tm_T> maybe because I encounter discrimination and forcing etc in my everyday life
[09:55] <Tm_T> mneptok: and?
[09:56] <mneptok> hehehehe .... arse.
[09:56] <Myrtti> <3
[09:56] <Myrtti> I love you guys
[09:56] <Myrtti> and with that I mean everyone of you
[09:56] <Tm_T> can I quote myself a bit?
[09:57] <ompaul> Tm_T, if you must
[09:57] <Tm_T> from http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Best_of_irc#amarok
[09:57] <Tm_T> [21:45:22]  <Tm_T> I hate me
[09:57] <Tm_T> [21:45:23]  <Tm_T> me too
[09:58] <Tm_T> and don't say that is confusing, it's not
[09:59] <ompaul> it is confusing
[09:59] <ompaul> chill out dude
[09:59] <ompaul> or should I say
[09:59] <ompaul> chill out dudes
[09:59] <Myrtti> Tm_T: do you think I'm scary?
[09:59] <Myrtti> I've been wondering that for a while now
[09:59] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how you can be scary?
[10:00] <Tm_T> ompaul: well that's from 2005 but, anyway =)
[10:01] <Myrtti> we were discussing the matter why I haven't encountered any harassment in Ubuntu community and the options are a) CoC b) I'm scary :-D
[10:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I think because you have always been part of "us" and thus nobody cares what gender you are
[10:02] <Tm_T> though I never care :)
[10:02] <Myrtti> neither do I, funnily enough
[10:02] <Myrtti> except the times I find something utterly cute and need to display it in a girlish manner
[10:03] <Myrtti> I'm more geek than female
[10:03] <Tm_T> Myrtti: somehow people think I'm female sometimes
[10:03] <Myrtti> noooooo :-D
[10:03] <Myrtti> really?
[10:03] <Tm_T> yup
[10:04] <Tm_T> well, I play around with that thought so that might fool people, dunno
[10:04] <Tm_T> because I don't care my own gender :p
[10:05] <Tm_T> partly because I don't have full "me"
[10:05] <Tm_T> it's undeveloped or something like that :)
[10:06] <Tm_T> hm?
[10:07] <Tm_T> what did I do now
[10:07] <mc44> :)
[10:08] <Tm_T> one sort of discrimination, people expect me to be unhappy etc if I'm not like them
[10:09] <Tm_T> ok, kernel part going, time to read what was in bug part ->
[10:38] <Myrtti> hum


[15:19] <bbaqar> junaidali
[15:20] <junaidali> Hey bbaqar
[15:20] <bbaqar> junaidali did your xenial charms make it to the recommended charms
[15:22] <junaidali> I haven't got reply from james yet for creating new xenial branch on launchpad
[15:22] <bbaqar> jamespage
[15:23] <bbaqar> you might have to open a bug for that. Wait for jamespage to comment first.
[15:24] <junaidali> bbaqar: sure


[02:35] <herpez> hi, i have just installed edubuntu and i dont have the educational software, how can i add it?
[02:36] <mario> what do you mean by having no edu soft? :-/
[02:37] <herpez> the educational applications like these in this screenshots http://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots
[02:37] <herpez> and i had it on the live cd, but not now
[02:37] <herpez> they used to be in live cd on application -> educational
[02:38] <herpez> and had several applications like games, math, etc
[02:39] <herpez> may i have to install them manually?
[02:39] <mario> you still should have them
[02:40] <herpez> but i dont.
[02:40] <herpez> :/
[02:41] <mario> :/
[02:41] <mario> installation went all fine?
[02:41] <mario> sudo apt-get install kdeedu
[02:41] <herpez> yes
[02:41] <herpez> but it may have been because i installed Edubuntu 7.04 Classroom Server CD
[02:41] <herpez> and not the desktop cd
[02:42] <herpez> and i did it because the desktop CD was giving me troubles
[02:42] <mario> ehm, yes, that's the problem :p
[02:42] <mario> use: sudo apt-get install kdeedu
[02:42] <mario> :)
[02:42] <herpez> and can u tell me, please, wich packages shall i install?
[02:42] <herpez> oh, thanks
[02:42] <mario> should give you some of the apps :p
[02:42] <herpez> yes, i have already installed the Gcompris
[02:43] <mario> oki
[07:23] <el_zorro> hello all
[07:24] <el_zorro> ???
[08:20] <gearw0lf> anyone here ?
[08:21] <gearw0lf> I just installed edubuntu and want to go back to ubuntu - where is the setting for that ?
[08:47] <encompass> gearw0lf: I am... but that's a little late I suppose :P
[08:47] <encompass> gearw0lf: how did you install edubuntu... what command did you give?
[08:47] <encompass> gearw0lf: odds are you can type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:48] <encompass> but that is jsut a guess.
[08:48] <encompass> you will have to remove all the stuff it installed... I wonder if that is easily possible :|
[08:48] <gearw0lf> I selected edubuntu-desktop from synaptic
[08:48] <encompass> you installed alot didn't you
[08:49] <gearw0lf> I think it was about 28mb
[08:49] <encompass> gearw0lf: ok, well ubuntu-desktop may do the trick, never had to before
[08:49] <encompass> gearw0lf: wow... much smaller than I thought
[08:49] <encompass> did you try the command I gave you?
[08:49] <gearw0lf> let me try that
[08:50] <encompass> k
[08:50] <encompass> gearw0lf: it is just a guess... I am still knew to the edubuntu thang
[08:50] <encompass> more of an ubuntu guy right now
[08:51] <encompass> :P
[08:51] <gearw0lf> it appears edubuntu dropped gnome-games, that is all it had to get to install ubuntu desktop
[08:52] <encompass> really?
[08:52] <encompass> lets hope it restored all your settings... like your bootsplash
[08:52] <encompass> if your worried about those things :P
[09:29] <encompass> gearw0lf: well?  how is it
[09:29] <encompass> ?
[10:52] <wizar> is someone here?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:55] <wizar> hello, i have a problem with edubuntu 7.04 and ltsp. every client is able to connect to the server, but now i'm trying to boot from a toshiba notebook (with a marvell 88e8036 pci-e network-card), it shows the bootsplash, and after that te screen is freezing...
[10:56] <Burgundavia> so most clients are working, except for the laptop?
[10:57] <wizar> ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device
[10:57] <wizar> ipconfig: no device to configure
[10:57] <wizar> Kernel panic
[10:57] <wizar> yes only the toshiba notebook dont boot
[10:58] <wizar> i've also included the sk98lin module into the /etc/modules file and into the lts.conf...
[01:41] <topcat>  /clear
[02:36] <highvoltage> hola!
[03:30] <bddebian> Heya
[03:31] <highvoltage> hey mr xmoto
[03:45] <RichEd> hey highvoltage ... where's edubuntugirl ... or is she too busy at the summit to pop in ?
[03:45] <RichEd> anyone seen cbx33 today ?
[03:46] <highvoltage> RichEd: she's busy moving. I'll hurry her on!
[03:46] <RichEd> thanks :)
[03:50] <RichEd> hey nixternal ... thanks for posting that event conclusion to the fridge
[03:54] <bimberi> hi RichEd
[04:15] <willvdl> nixternal, hey. doc stuff is not scheduled yet and Jordan etc. are leaving tommorrow
[04:15] <willvdl> so I'm having some informal chats and will then think of some other mechanism to do a spec
[04:23] <highvoltage> unixternal are you at uds?
[04:23] <highvoltage> oops, interesting typo
[04:23] <highvoltage> nixternal: are you at uds?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> no, he isn;t
[04:31] <nixternal> nope
[04:31] <nixternal> I am at UofI :)
[04:32] <nixternal> Burgundavia: let willvdl know that if/when he finds out about the any informal chat, to let me know so I can participate if possible
[04:33] <nixternal> RichEd: no problem on that post
[04:34] <RichEd> nixternal: I should be part of the will conversation as well ... and will make sure we try to get you in the loop.
[04:36] <nixternal> rock on, time to roll. I will bbl
[05:22] <topcat>  /clear
[05:48] <highvoltage> and my whole world fades to gray...
[06:10] <willvdl> my brian hurts
[06:10] <willvdl> urk, brain rather
[06:10] <willvdl> my brian is still fine
[06:11] <RichEd> willvdl: give my regards to brian will you
[06:47] <topcat>
[07:05] <willvdl> urk
[10:43] <topcat> Hi everyone


[00:15] <blasenmich> I had one problem
[00:16] <blasenmich> when I pointed the grub at the new kernel, it didn't come back with the exact same confirmation lines as your text.... no errors though is that a problem?
[00:41] <seidos> how do i select objects in gimp?  i keep creating new text objects, instead of selecting the object that i want to modify.
[00:44] <seidos> oh, i guess i have to select the layer, then the text object
[00:44] <stlsaint> seidos: have i ever told you that youtube is awesome?!;
[00:44] <seidos> i guess those other text objects are just not really existent
[00:44] <seidos> stlsaint, is there an answer to my gimp question on there?
[00:44] <seidos> stlsaint, i mean, i agree with you.  but why are you bringing it up?
[00:44] <stlsaint> seidos: yes
[00:45] <seidos> stlsaint, thanks for the tip.
[00:45] <stlsaint> :D
[00:45] <seidos> tips hurt
[00:46] <stlsaint> seidos: what doesnt kill you makes you stronger :D
[00:46] <seidos> stlsaint, we are all dying slowly.
[00:48] <stlsaint> seidos: but while we are here we have youtube :D
[00:48] <stlsaint> seidos: better yet we have gimp on youtube :D
[00:49] <seidos> stlsaint, true.  but while we are all dying slowly, what isn't killing us that is making us stronger?
[00:51] <stlsaint> tips
[00:51] <seidos> i guess it depends how you define strength :)
[00:53] <seidos> but maybe it depends.  maybe tips don't have to hurt.  i guess it depends on how they are inserted.  some medical personnel are better with injections than others.
[04:20] <tenach> How do you find what version Xorg is?
[04:23] <paultag> tenach: Xorg -version
[04:23] <paultag> BBL
[04:23] <tenach> thanks paultag
[04:24] <tenach> :(
[04:24] <paultag> <3 tenach
[04:24] <paultag> BBL for realsie
[04:42] <seidos> anyone have any ideas why my usb flash drive isn't mounting?
[04:44] <aveilleux> seidos: Have you tried mounting it manually?
[04:44] <seidos> aveilleux, no, not sure what the device name should be
[04:44] <seidos> aveilleux, it's just mount devicename, right?
[04:45] <aveilleux> seidos: you have to make a mount point directory, so sudo mkdir /media/usb
[04:45] <aveilleux> seidos: Then sudo mount /dev/<devicename/partition_number> /media/usb
[04:45] <seidos> ah lsusb to get the device name
[04:46] <seidos> hmm, no, that doesn't seem to work
[04:46] <aveilleux> seidos: what error do you get?
[04:47] <seidos> aveilleux, i don't know where to get the devicename/partition_number
[04:47] <aveilleux> seidos: How many internal hard drives do you have?
[04:47] <seidos> just one
[04:47] <seidos> i have my ipod/DAP connected too
[04:48] <aveilleux> seidos: actually, can you pastebin the output of: ls /dev/sd* ?
[04:49] <seidos> aveilleux, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490156/
[04:49] <aveilleux> seidos: You have two partitions on your Flash drive?
[04:49] <seidos> aveilleux, not that i know of
[04:49] <seidos> maybe i should start gparted up
[04:50] <aveilleux> seidos: Is it a U3 drive?
[04:50] <seidos> aveilleux, yeah
[04:51] <aveilleux> seidos: AH! That would explain it. U3 drives have two partitions on them.
[04:52] <seidos> it's miraculously showing up in gparted now
[04:52] <seidos> aveilleux, after i unplugged it to check if it was a u3 drive
[04:52] <aveilleux> seidos: sudo mkdir /media/usb && sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/usb
[04:52] <seidos> in gparted it is listed as /dev/sdc1
[04:52] <aveilleux> seidos: Oh, is it something else?
[04:53] <aveilleux> Hmmm, I was wondering why there were only two drives.
[04:53] <seidos> ah sdb1 and sdb2?
[04:53] <seidos> i wonder if i could just make it one.
[04:53] <aveilleux> seidos: No. sda* and sdb*
[04:53] <seidos> sdb is my ipod/DAP
[04:54] <aveilleux> seidos: I figured, but I saw no other drives
[04:54] <seidos> well sdb1 and sdb2?
[04:54] <seidos> er, no
[04:54] <seidos> i guess that's all my DAP
[04:55] <seidos> i just looked at gparted, and the flash is listed as /dev/sdc1
[04:55] <aveilleux> seidos: the drive format is sd + X + N , where X is a letter and designates the physical drive, and N is a number and designates the partition
[04:55] <seidos> aveilleux, sorry, i didn't understand the designations until now.  thanks.
[04:55] <aveilleux> seidos: If it's an IDE drive, it's hdXN
[04:56] <aveilleux> seidos: I believe...
[04:56] <seidos> aveilleux, it's SATA i'm pretty sure...not sure if linux treats that as "ide".  i guess not.
[04:57] <aveilleux> seidos: No, SATA is read as SCSI, which is where the s comes from. SD = SCSI Drive
[04:57] <seidos> aveilleux, well, looks like mount wouldn't have worked anyway.  because only now /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 are showing up
[04:57] <aveilleux> Though it could really be changed to SATA because they have the same first letter :P
[04:57] <aveilleux> seidos: Well give it a shot with sdc1
[04:58] <seidos> aveilleux, it is already mounted as CRUZER
[04:58] <aveilleux> seidos: So it was just not plugged in properly. Problem solved :3
[04:58] <seidos> aveilleux, i guess, but the drive lights up O_o
[04:58] <seidos> maybe the drive is faulty
[04:59] <seidos> well thanks, at least i got a lesson in ls /dev/sd*
[04:59] <seidos> and the scsi ide thing
[04:59] <aveilleux> seidos: Indeed
[05:14] <seidos> arg, now making the usb flash drive a start up disk isn't working
[05:15] <seidos> hmmm, maybe it doesn't work if the flash drive is formatted with ext2
[05:20] <seidos> that seems to have been the problem O_O
[05:32] <seidos> i was trying to do tar -t backup-10.09.tar to list the contents of the file in a terminal, but it would just sit there
[06:09] <hoober> hello
[06:10] <hoober> i am the ultimate hack god master of the internet. however how do i run a .bundle extension file so it install on my 64 bit ubuntu
[06:10] <hoober> i want to install the infamous vm player
[07:50] <uchobby> Help! my Ubuntu box does not boot now. Some recent update I'm guessing.. I can boot from CD, I ran disk test, all OK, constantly restarts wtih error "Init:ureadahead main process (343) terminate with status 127" what should I do now?
[07:52] <seidos> uchobby, when does the error happen?  before xorg starts?
[07:52] <uchobby> at boot
[07:52] <uchobby> before I see anything
[07:52] <uchobby> well I see the PC logo screen then when the boot process starts, that error then it restarts again
[07:53] <seidos> uchobby, well, you can try reinstalling from cd, without repartitioning/formatting.
[07:54] <uchobby> that would not remove what I have?
[07:54] <seidos> uchobby, i can't think of anything else.  i don't know if there is a failsafe option in grub for your installation.
[07:55] <seidos> uchobby, well, your /home/username directory will stay intact
[07:55]  * uchobby nods
[07:55] <seidos> uchobby, do you have anything in any other directories you want backed up?
[07:55] <seidos> uchobby, i'm not sure if it will work, but did you try accessing your local harddisk from the live cd?
[07:55] <uchobby> I was able to back up my home directory with the boot CD
[07:55] <uchobby> yes
[07:55] <uchobby> and I had not trouble accessing the disk
[07:56] <uchobby> I ran a full disk check with no errors as well
[07:56] <seidos> uchobby, oh, then at least your data isn't an issue.
[07:56] <seidos> uchobby, well, reinstalling will hopefully fix it.  i'm not sure how to make it work without reinstalling, unfortunately.
[07:56] <uchobby> well all the stuff I did to get Ubuntu working and software installed etc..
[07:56] <seidos> uchobby, you might want to back up you /var/log folder?  if you want to try to get some info on what might have caused the problem.
[07:57]  * uchobby nods
[07:57] <seidos> uchobby, you can try hitting the shift key when grub is starting, see if it might be a problem with a new kernel?
[07:57] <seidos> before installing from livecd that is.
[07:59] <uchobby> I got the grub menu! Progress
[07:59] <uchobby> recovery mode maybe?
[07:59] <seidos> uchobby, you can try recovery mode, and booting a different kernel?
[07:59] <seidos> !tab | uchobby
[08:00] <uchobby> so try the latest version in recovery first
[08:00] <uchobby> ?
[08:00] <seidos> er, uchobby you can use your "tab key" to complete my nick.  just type "se <tab>" and it should auto complete, that way the window alerts me when you are telling me something
[08:00] <uchobby> if that fails, something up with the kernel update, try the older one, maybe in recovery?
[08:01] <seidos> uchobby, right
[08:01] <uchobby> seidos, OK
[08:04] <uchobby> seidos, I tried recover mode boot on both versions and normal boot on the older, all result in the same error
[08:04] <uchobby> as described, no change
[08:06] <seidos> uchobby, hmmm, well it might not be an issue with the kernel per se
[08:06] <uchobby> something wrong with HD I guess seidos
[08:08] <uchobby> I'm giving up for the night, thank you for the help seidos
[08:09] <seidos> uchobby, try installing.  only way you'll know if it's the HD.  good luck, and good night.
[08:10] <uchobby> thank you seidos
[08:39] <praktykant> Hey all. I would appreciate if some1 could tell me how to check what compiler flags where used when I installed (i.e. nagios) through apt-get install.
[08:42] <seidos> praktykant, whoa, i have no idea.  i'm not even sure if this will help, but you can download the source for nagios and try compiling it yourself?
[08:44] <seidos> praktykant, are you using the nagios3 package?
[09:37] <praktykant> I`ve manage to get it running on ubuntu on test network and now need to get it done on slackware but the point is that the admin wants as minimalistic the system as it can be.
[10:02] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:47] <duanedesign> hello Silver_Fox_
[11:47] <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign . How are you ?
[13:08] <Puck`> this looks greaT: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/announcing-tklbam
[16:01] <uRock> If there is a grub pro in the house, this guy needs some specialty care, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9820872#post9820872
[16:09] <Mohan_chml> ubot2: tell him to update grub
[16:09] <ubot2> Mohan_chml: Error: I haven't seen him, I'll let you do the telling.
[16:09] <ubot2> Mohan_chml: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:09] <Mohan_chml> awww
[16:10] <Mohan_chml> uRock: I told him to update
[16:12] <uRock> cool, I didn't know that worked with wubi, thanx
[16:17] <Mohan_chml> uRock: lets see what happens if he update
[16:19] <uRock> Mohan_chml, yup
[16:19] <Mohan_chml> sup uRock ?
[16:20] <uRock> not much, getting my little one ready 4 school
[16:21] <Mohan_chml> ah. okay!
[18:15] <Mohan_chml> uRock: I think people don't respond to a thread if they find their problem solver
[18:15] <Mohan_chml> L.
[18:15] <Mohan_chml> :/
[18:16] <Silver_Fox_> That is how it generally goes Mohan_chml . You will get use to it
[18:17] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_: but people must be aware that people will use the forums in the future and they must say that their problem is solver so that the thread will be meaningful
[18:18] <Mohan_chml> err solved*
[18:23] <uRock> Mohan_chml, I figured there would be more questions from the OP.
[18:23] <uRock> at the same time, if he/she is playing with Back|Track, then I would hope that the simple stuff would be easy
[18:24] <Mohan_chml> yeah! coz backtrack is a nice OS to learn ethical hacking (:
[18:24] <Silver_Fox_> Godbye
[18:25] <uRock> lol, it is a piece of work that takes more than entry level knowledge to use
[18:26] <uRock> I gave it a whirl a while back and even with learning a bit about network forensics, that OS is still beyond me
[18:40] <Mohan_chml> :o
[19:19] <sebsebseb> Hi
[19:22] <sick_fox> hi
[19:24] <Mohan_chml> hey guys! hows life?
[19:24] <sick_fox> still alive
[19:24] <sick_fox> :)
[19:24] <sick_fox> what about U
[19:25] <Mohan_chml> sick_fox: dead before 4 hours :(
[19:26] <sick_fox> Mohan_chml :( but now alive I hope
[19:26] <Mohan_chml> idk
[19:27] <sick_fox> idk stands for ?
[19:29] <Mohan_chml> I dont know
[19:30] <hobgoblin> then why say it ;)
[19:30] <sick_fox> R U using Ubuntu?
[19:33] <Mohan_chml> hello hobgoblin :)
[19:33] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[19:33] <Mohan_chml> sick_fox: I am not using ubuntu
[19:33] <Mohan_chml> hows life hobgoblin ?
[19:33] <hobgoblin> same old
[19:33] <Mohan_chml> children?
[19:34] <sick_fox> too yuing for them
[19:34] <sick_fox> *young
[19:34] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: they are good - at least I assume the eldest two are anyway
[19:34] <hobgoblin> sick_fox: what do you mean?
[19:34] <sick_fox> I m too young for children
[19:34] <sick_fox> :)
[19:34] <hobgoblin> oic :)
[19:37] <hobgoblin> sick_fox: so - are you after help with something ?
[19:37] <sick_fox> hobgoblin yes I am - I wanted to register my nick, I ve done it now
[19:37] <sick_fox> Thanks with help to all
[19:38] <hobgoblin> aah - k
[19:39] <sick_fox> hobgoblin yes k (they say sometimes)
[19:39] <sick_fox> hobgoblin but thats an opinion
[19:40] <hobgoblin> many things are
[19:40] <sick_fox> :)
[19:49] <Mohan_chml> Night all (:
[19:51] <sick_fox> what is the time in your room? ;-)
[19:54] <hobgoblin> sick_fox: http://time.is/UTC
[19:56] <sick_fox> hobgoblin I too lazy to click it
[19:56] <sick_fox> i'm
[19:58] <hobgoblin> well do date -u in a terminal - it'll be the same
[19:58] <sick_fox> hobgoblin and U know what? I have a question - is there a soft for packaging java program to deb package? I mean something you click and then it is autmatically installed
[19:58] <hobgoblin> to install java?
[19:58] <hobgoblin> or create a .deb ?
[19:58] <sick_fox> I have several java class files and I wanna create a deb
[19:59] <sick_fox> to distribute the program nicely
[19:59] <hobgoblin> no idea I'm afraid
[20:00] <sick_fox> hobgoblin doesnt matter - it was just a question
[20:00] <hobgoblin> there's a howto here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/
[20:00] <hobgoblin> anyway - enough for me
[20:02] <sick_fox> thanks I ll read it later
[20:02] <sick_fox> maybe it could help me
[23:12] <linut> I have a problem with Ubuntu Tweak in Karmic
[23:12] <linut> I took out and reinstalled
[23:13] <linut> no good still
[23:13] <linut> any ideas?
[23:36] <seidos> linut, i'm not ignoring you, i've just never used ubuntu tweak
[23:37] <hihihi100> hi, can u heko with sound problems?
[23:38] <seidos> hihihi100, what's the problem?
[23:38] <hihihi100> weiil i am trying to get a midi piano player to work, to not avail so far
[23:38] <hihihi100> i recently installed some ALSA packages, I believe thats when my probkem started
[23:38] <seidos> hihihi100, oh goodness, that sounds complicated.
[23:39] <hihihi100> colume is always shown as muted
[23:39] <hihihi100> volume*
[23:39] <seidos> hihihi100, don't you need a driver for your midi piano?  you want to be able to play you keyboard and hear the sound from your computers speakers?
[23:39] <seidos> hihihi100, how are you connecting the midi piano to the computer?
[23:40] <hihihi100> right, thats what I want, I have downloaded alsa-driver-1.0.23, but I dont know what t type in the terminal to actually install it
[23:40] <hihihi100> no, not an "external" midi piano, I use virtual midi piano keyboard
[23:41] <seidos> hihihi100, i don't know what a 'virtual' midi piano is.  but i am intrigued.
[23:42] <harrisonk> anyone here use usbmodeswich?
[23:42] <hihihi100> i have been following the instructions found at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810
[23:44] <seidos> hihihi100, i've never seen this how to before.  and honestly, i don't know what you are trying to accomplish.
[23:44] <hihihi100> the aim is to use the key of my keyboard as if they were the keys of a piano
[23:44] <hihihi100> actually the software can be found in the repositories
[23:44] <seidos> hihihi100, ohhhh
[23:45] <seidos> hihihi100, there was another how to a friend found, but i couldn't get jackd working.  let me see if i can find a link for you
[23:46] <hihihi100> jack, yeah, dor some reason i also downloaded that
[23:46] <hihihi100> for
[23:47] <seidos> hihihi100, try these instructions:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1003466
[23:47] <seidos> hihihi100, messing with alsa is probably way too complicated if you're starting out.
[23:48] <hihihi100> looks good
[23:50] <seidos> hihihi100, if you're like me, and don't have luck, you can try this out:  http://www.virtualpiano.net/
[23:51] <harrisonk> is there any way to switch desktop evironments without using the gdm?
[23:55] <seidos> what does gdm have to do with switching desktop environments?
[23:55] <harrisonk> or the login screen utillity
[23:58] <harrisonk> also is anyone here good at reading syslog files?
[23:58] <harrisonk> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/489914/
[23:58] <seidos> harrisonk, well the login screen gives you options to select a different environment.  what environment are you trying to select?


[01:58] <Bashing-om> Gdoc completed and last minute checks done - nothing to add. I will make up the WIKI on my morrow with what we have.
[15:42] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Skype Snap App Finally Updated, Gets a New Icon @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=151532 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:37] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: New Video Demos “Linux on DeX” – Ubuntu Desktop Running on a Samsung Galaxy S10 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=151547 (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:16] <Bashing-om> UWN592 up for review and acceptance :D - What we present to the world.
[22:58] <Bashing-om> UWN592: Founbd another camel case that I had failed to note earlier - proof reading is required for sure !
[22:58] <Bashing-om> found*


[01:40] <phoe6> Hello, I feel tired of every application using different key combinations for doing copy and paste. For Lubuntu, is there way to set single key combination for copy-paste?
[02:18] <lynorian> phoe6: well terminal doesn't use control + c because that is already used for quitting a temrinal job but taht is contrtol +shift +c but most gui stuff is control +C
[02:18] <lynorian> unless you install something not by defautl