[01:24] <rysiek> I suppose I have to boot Windoze for this one :/
[01:25] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  je pense que #kubuntu-fr est un peu vide. mais y a #ubuntu-fr
[01:25] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  tapes /j #ubuntu-fr
[01:25] <rysiek> cu guys and thx nikkia, Tm_T and aftertaf for the help :)
[01:25] <MaliciAAa> vi merci lol
[01:25] <MaliciAAa> je me suis sentie une peu seule c vrai
[01:25] <aftertaf> :/
[01:26] <aftertaf> j'imagine ;)
[01:36] <brizzio> voila
[01:36] <brizzio> re
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> j'arrive pas
[01:37] <MaliciAAa> aftertaf je suis encore perdue ici
[01:38] <MaliciAAa> je veux revenir sur le site franais
[01:39] <MaliciAAa> je suis bloque
[01:39] <apokryphos> MaliciAAa: #kubuntu-fr
[01:40] <aftertaf>  /j #ubuntu-fr
[01:40] <aftertaf> MaliciAAa:  ^^^^ ;)
[01:40] <MaliciAAa> alors la j'ai ouvert une tonne de fenetre
[01:40] <MaliciAAa> lol
[01:41] <aftertaf> dont panique MaliciAAa :)
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> je panique pas mais si je sort encore un fois je vais encore avoir du mal a revenir pourtant j'ai fais ce qu'il fallait non?
[01:42] <apokryphos> MaliciAAa: English only in here please :). Join #ubuntu-fr or #kubuntu-fr
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> ah le join
[01:42] <MaliciAAa> ok
[01:43] <MaliciAAa> ben voui question de vacabulaire
[01:45] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  shes very new, and is learning how to......
[01:45] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  someone setup her pc, removing windows without her knowing ...
[01:45] <apokryphos> tell her the command to type then :P
[01:51] <aftertaf> i did ;)
[02:14] <asraniel_> hmmm,.... i have been blocked on my webmin :-D where is the list of the blocked ips? i have to remove <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:42] <Smeagol07> yoyo
[02:42] <Smeagol07> exit
[02:44] <Hobbsee> mmm...quiet in here tonight
[02:48] <mmport81> hi all, just updated to breezy and now my real player has stopped working - any ideas?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> any errors with the real player stopping working?
[02:50] <mmport81> errors - none - just play but no sounds output
[02:50] <Hobbsee> is your sound working at all?
[02:50] <mmport81> yep
[02:50] <mmport81> amarok working well
[02:50] <mmport81> which is strange...
[02:50] <Hobbsee> what about in system settings, test sound?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> amarok could be using a different engine
[02:51] <mmport81> will check
[02:51] <mmport81> test sound in system "sound system" setting is good
[02:51] <Hobbsee> ok, so it's just real player
[02:52] <mmport81> yeh ...
[02:52] <mmport81> :/
[02:52] <Hobbsee> i'm presuming that everything is turned up in alsamixer, and the inputs are muted
[02:52] <nikkia> mmport81: arts is blocking access to the sound card, most likely
[02:53] <mmport81> i turned off arts - in system sound setting and had the same problem
[02:53] <mmport81> Hobbsee: should those setting in alsamixer be of use if amarok etc is ok?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmport81: possibly...doubt it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> doesnt look like it, it should all be going thru the same channels
[02:55] <mmport81> maybe something to do with oss emulation in the kernel??
[02:55] <Hobbsee> check which engine real player is running, if you can...
[02:56] <mmport81>  Hobbsee: yeh not sure, tried to figure that out but had no luck
[02:56] <Hobbsee> unless anyone else can tell you, you'll probably need to try ubuntuforums.org and then google
[02:58] <mmport81> ok
[02:58] <Hobbsee> sorry i cant help you more than that!
[02:59] <mmport81> no problem - suspected it was a tricky problem, just hoped someone else ran into it b4hand
[03:00] <Hobbsee> they probably have
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i havent
[03:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:00] <Hobbsee> channel is rather quiet
[03:00] <mmport81> 'tis
[03:00] <mmport81> are most people here americans or something?
[03:01] <mmport81> - not that they're quiet, but that they might be asleep at the mo :)
[03:01] <nikkia> Hobbsee: realplayer only uses OSS
[03:01] <apokryphos> Open Source is generally more popular in Europe
[03:01] <apokryphos> hola nikki_a
[03:01] <mmport81> think so?
[03:01] <mmport81> at least kde is, i suspect
[03:01] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[03:01] <apokryphos> or nikkia, even :P
[03:01] <Hobbsee> nikkia: right
[03:02] <Hobbsee> dont think it's terribly popular here in aussie, but i guess it depends in which circles you're in
[03:02] <mmport81> nikkia: maybe oss emulation isn't in the ubuntu kernel then?
[03:02] <slow-motion> bye bbl
[03:03] <apokryphos> Xubuntu is becoming a more serious project -- very good to see. There's some decent ideas floating about in the project
[03:03] <mmport81> xubuntu??
[03:03] <apokryphos> !xubuntu
[03:03] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:03] <mmport81> oh right
[03:09] <hussam> has anybody managed to install skype on breezy? I haven't used skype before and I would like to try it.
[03:12] <tenco> hussam: phps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563 can help you
[03:14] <hussam> tenco: skype won't install on breezy because it requires libqt3c102-mt which isn't available for breezy
[03:15] <tenco> hussam: whats the difference to libqt3-mt?
[03:16] <hussam> probably the same , but skype looks for  libqt3c102-mt  and not libqt3-mt
[03:17] <apokryphos> !skype
[03:17] <ubotu> well, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free, or breezy debs: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:29] <hussam> apokryphos: is  "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" necessary? It times out for me
[03:33] <hussam> apokryphos: is  there any other way to import gpg key other than using "gpg --keyserver"?
[03:40] <jjesse> anyone having any problems w/ systems settings and file sharing w/ administrator mode?
[03:41] <kkathman> jjesse: Hi, what kind of problems are you experiencing?
[03:42] <jjesse> kkathman: after i put in my password it thinks for a bit and then brings me right back to  "Changes in this section requires root access"
[03:43] <hussam> kkathman: hey :)
[03:44] <jjesse> kkathman: i have a red box around the options, but the options are still greyed out
[03:44] <hussam> anybody knows how to use httptunnel?
[03:44] <kkathman> howdy hussam!!
[03:45] <aftertaf> its a kdesu bug i think.
[03:45] <aftertaf> close it, open adept or sth else that needs sudo, then reopen the admin panel thingy.
[03:46] <hussam> kkathman: I got a couple of questions for you.
[03:46] <hussam> kkathman: I need to do "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1135D466" but it times out. is there any other way to import gpg keys?
[03:46] <kkathman> jjesse: yes I experience the same thing...it must be a bug
[03:46] <jjesse> kkathman: ok, bugzilla for that right?
[03:47] <kkathman> hussam: not that I know of
[03:47] <kkathman> jjesse: right bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <hussam> kkathman: ok another question. where might I find some instructions on how to use httptunnel?
[03:48] <kkathman> hussam: what are you trying to get a gpg for?
[03:49] <kkathman> hussam: try this:  http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
[03:49] <hussam> kkathman: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[03:51] <kkathman> hussam: and that procedure listed on that page didnt work?
[03:52] <hussam> kkathman: gpg --keyserver timeouts because of closed port ( I'm behind proxy )
[03:53] <kkathman> ahhhh
[03:57] <kkathman> hussam: can you have the ports opened temporarily just to get the keys?
[03:59] <hussam> kkathman: I'm not the one who controls the proxy server. it's my internet service provider
[03:59] <kkathman> hussam: Interesting. I have never heard of an internet provider doing that.
[04:00] <hussam> kkathman: it's a hotspot.
[04:00] <kkathman> ohhh ok gotcha
[04:02] <jjesse> kkathman: the problem is bug #8681  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[04:04] <kkathman> jjesse: excellent that they already are working on it
[04:04] <jjesse> kkathman: yeah its a large bug list
[04:05] <kkathman> jjesse: Unusually so for this release I think. I dont remember Hoary being this buggy when it was released.
[04:06] <kkathman> especially in obvious things that probably should have been tested prior to release
[04:06] <kkathman> but for the most part, I havent experienced any shutdowns or critical problems
[04:08] <Armagguedes> hello
[04:08] <azertyuuu> helloo
[04:09] <azertyuuu> is i reboot, my X don't starts, it starts with terminal, can anyone help ?
[04:14] <sveri> azertyuuu: hm, what did you do before?
[04:15] <azertyuuu> i was working with Adept, and restarted X (ctrl+alt+back) and now it doesn't work
[04:16] <sveri> what does the logfile say (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
[04:16] <sveri> does it give any errors?
[04:16] <azertyuuu> i can't enter X , do i have to look with pico -w ?
[04:17] <sveri> you can do cat /var/log/...
[04:17] <sveri> or vi /var/log/...
[04:18] <azertyuuu> ok, thanx, i'll see
[04:18] <Armagguedes> hm
[04:19] <Armagguedes> ive set up  a partition (30GB) in fat32 for sharing
[04:19] <Armagguedes> but i cant write to it
[04:19] <Armagguedes> i've tried chmod -R 777 /share
[04:19] <Armagguedes> (yes i am being a very permissive guy) but it doesnt work
[04:20] <seezer_> Armagguedes: mount it with -o umask=000 or something
[04:20] <Armagguedes> could you give me the whole command pls
[04:21] <seezer> mount -o umask=000 -t vfat32 /your/device /your/mountpoint
[04:22] <hussam> what kde application do I use to record sound using a microphone?
[04:22] <Armagguedes> seezer i can see the partition
[04:23] <Armagguedes> i think it is already mounted
[04:23] <seezer> then umount first
[04:24] <Armagguedes> i see it in /
[04:24] <Armagguedes> what goes into /your/device?
[04:27] <azertyuuu> hey all, i had a look to /var/log/xorg.0.log and i haven't found an error, still can't enter X
[04:29] <sveri> azertyuuu: hm, but there have to be messages about what happened or what didn't happen
[04:30] <sveri> did you try sudo killall kdm and then sudo kdm ?
[04:30] <azertyuuu> xorg is not executable...
[04:30] <azertyuuu> what does it mean
[04:31] <sveri> hm, that you cant execute xorg
[04:32] <azertyuuu> and it says somethinf about autenticities
[04:32] <azertyuuu> when typing styartx
[04:32] <azertyuuu> startx
[04:33] <sveri> what exactly
[04:33] <bubblenut> What should I use to manage my network settings if the KDE Control Center network settings section isn't working?
[04:33] <azertyuuu> errorno 7...
[04:34] <sveri> bubblenut: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:35] <slow-motion> re
[04:38] <bubblenut> sveri: Where can I find out an explination of the syntax for that file?
[04:39] <Armagguedes> openoffice2 is here
[04:39] <hussam> does k3b make audio CDs from ogg or just mp3?
[04:39] <sveri> bubblenut: thats a good question, all i know is man interfaces
[04:39] <chavo> Armagguedes, just got done downloading it
[04:42] <bubblenut> sveri: Is there not any gui interface for doing this?
[04:42] <_sveri> bubblenut: hm, i don't know, i also experienced problems with the kcontrol networks part, so i did it that way
[04:44] <aaronjs> ok....  I have enabled breezy-backports main restricted in adept, but it stilll cannot find Freenx.   ANy ideas?
[04:44] <seezer> Armagguedes: /dev/hda1 for example
[04:45] <gsuveg> re
[04:45] <azertyuuu> hey all i get error no 111 and no 3
[04:46] <gsuveg> Tm_T: i compiled kmplayer deb
[04:46] <Tm_T> gsuveg: working ok?
[04:46] <gsuveg> yes
[04:47] <Tm_T> good :)
[04:47] <_sveri> azertyuuu: did you try to start it as root or as user?
[04:47] <gsuveg> with good dependecies
[04:47] <azertyuuu> root
[04:47] <gsuveg> feedback sent to maintaner
[04:47] <_sveri> azertyuuu: the error no 111 only says that it cant connect to the x server, so there must be something else wrong before
[04:47] <Tm_T> gsuveg: ah, very good :)
[04:48] <alakhia> Hi, I need help with my upgrade to Breezy please
[04:48] <gsuveg> but the dvdplay is very bad with it
[04:48] <gsuveg> alakhia: have you read all related docs?
[04:48] <gsuveg> what is your problem ?
[04:49] <gsuveg> Tm_T: but totem dont play :(
[04:49] <alakhia> gsuveg: I updated apt's source's, did the apt-get cmd, right around firefox, the thing crashed
[04:49] <alakhia> gsuveg: now, i don't have kde running and have to use the console
[04:50] <gsuveg> and ?
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: i think the reason firefox update fried was because I was using the beta
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: anyway, i'm not familiar with apt-get
[04:50] <gsuveg> no error message ??
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: not sure how to continue with installing kde
[04:50] <alakhia> gsuveg: did apt-get install kde
[04:50] <gsuveg> no dist-upgrade ?
[04:51] <_sveri> azertyuuu: sry, i got blown off: maybe you can try to reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but plz save your old xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[04:51] <aaronjs> is anyone have difficulties connecting to teh backport repository?
[04:51] <gsuveg> aaronjs: have you read issues from backport ?
[04:52] <alakhia> gsuveg: when I do dist-upgrade, I get 0 upgraded, 0 installled,
[04:52] <alakhia> gsuveg:  nothing happens
[04:52] <aaronjs> gsuveg: and where might that be?  not in the topic....  afaik
[04:52] <gsuveg> what is in your apt config ?
[04:52] <gsuveg> aaronjs: ubuntuforums.org > search
[04:53] <aaronjs> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]    is the output I get
[04:53] <alakhia> gsuveg: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[04:53] <gsuveg> apt-get update
[04:53] <gsuveg> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <gsuveg> what say ?
[04:54] <alakhia> gsuveg: the problem is not that kde is not found
[04:54] <aaronjs> gsuveg: thanks for the forum link, but that leaves me to ponder the usefulness of the channel.
[04:54] <gsuveg> aaronjs: pardon?
[04:54] <alakhia> gsuveg: the problem is that apt-get install kde gives me: unmet dependencies
[04:55] <alakhia> gsuveg: is apt-get install kde even the right thing to do ?
[04:55] <martinjh99> Anyone know when Openoffice.org2 final is going to be out for k/Ubuntu????? ;)
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: its in breezy
[04:55] <gsuveg> alakhia:  kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:55] <chavo> final just came out a couple of hours ago
[04:55] <martinjh99> The one in Breezy is rc2 i think....  Final is out today I think...
[04:56] <chavo> martinjh99, I installed it here.
[04:56] <chavo> it's out
[04:56] <martinjh99> Just downloaded the final version for that other operating system... ;)
[04:56] <alakhia> gsuveg: get this message: ksysguard is not going to be installed, unmet dependencies, broek backapges
[04:56] <alakhia> gsuveg: err, broken packages
[04:56] <martinjh99> Chavo> Are there proper deb packages?
[04:56] <chavo> uhm qnx? BeOS?
[04:56] <chavo> martinjh99, no I used alien, but I'm crazy
[04:57] <gsuveg> alakhia: put your apt-config to pastebin
[04:57] <_sveri> oh, i left the server ;-)
[04:57] <alakhia> gsuveg: huh? pastebin?
[04:57] <martinjh99> Chavo> :)  I think I'll wait until the guys at Ubuntu make proper packages as last time I tried it it didn't quite work out...
[04:57] <gsuveg> alakhia: ?topic
[04:58] <alakhia> gsuveg: i'm sorry, I don't follow you
[04:58] <kkathman> morning chavo :)
[04:58] <chavo> martin, like I said ... I'm crazy. I don't recommend doing it, but it works so far
[04:58] <chavo> hello kkathman :)
[04:58] <gsuveg> alakhia: read topic ;) kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:58] <kkathman> I might suggest to people that they give Koffice a try also
[04:58] <martinjh99> :) I'll wait... Better that way...
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Is Oo 2 in the repos?
[04:58] <chavo> koffice is very nice
[04:58] <DaSkreech> OOo 2
[04:59] <kkathman> chavo: Yes Im very pleased with it :)
[04:59] <gsuveg> chavo: yes. but it like core dump
[04:59] <martinjh99> Skreech the beta/rc is yes...
[04:59] <raphink> sure it has been for a long time DaSkreech
[04:59] <DaSkreech> The Official is out
[04:59] <endo602> ?
[04:59] <chavo> gsuveg, I build my own KDE and koffice here and 1.4.2 has been stable for me
[04:59] <chavo> krita is really starting to shape up
[05:00] <endo602> what unix command line does this support?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Final release
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Only one download choice on the front page ;0
[05:00] <gsuveg> chavo: i dont build kde.
[05:00] <DaSkreech> ;)
[05:00] <kkathman> chavo: agree. Krita is most impressive
[05:00] <raphink> endo602: sorry?
[05:00] <gsuveg> i dont like krita
[05:00] <alakhia> gsuveg: so, you want me to run apt-config and paste the output to this website, right?
[05:00] <endo602> debian?
[05:00] <raphink> endo602: this place is not a console ...
[05:00] <kkathman> gsuveg: well its leaps better than gimp, IMHO...but none of them are Photoshop :)
[05:00] <gsuveg> alakhia: nono
[05:00] <endo602> i know
[05:00] <chavo> gsuveg, just stating that the more recent versions have improved a lot
[05:01] <endo602> i was wondering what shell system this distro used
[05:01] <gsuveg> alakhia: etc/apt/sources.list
[05:01] <raphink> bash by default endo602
[05:01] <raphink> like most linux distros
[05:01] <endo602> i am thinking of switching from xandros
[05:01] <endo602> is that smart?
[05:01] <raphink> sure it's smart
[05:01] <chavo> actually I still prefer the Gimp, I guess because I've used it for so long
[05:01] <gsuveg> kkathman: now not better as gimp. maybe in future
[05:01] <raphink> depends what you want to do with it ;)
[05:01] <endo602> hehe
[05:01] <endo602> well i dont like xandros
[05:01] <endo602> is to macish
[05:01] <kkathman> gimp sux
[05:02] <gsuveg> gimp > *
[05:02] <raphink> what do you mean it's too macish?
[05:02] <endo602> i wanted something that i can have more control over and also able to customize the desktop more
[05:02] <endo602> confined
[05:02] <endo602> xandros network is a pain
[05:02] <chavo> kkathman, for what I do the Gimp is perfect. I don't do a lot of graphic work though
[05:02] <raphink> hmmm ok
[05:02] <endo602> i have a hard time installing packages
[05:02] <raphink> endo602: xandros uses apt doesn't it?
[05:02] <endo602> raph can i pm?
[05:03] <raphink> sure endo602
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Krita?
[05:03] <raphink> endo602: about it being smart to switch or not : http://distrowatch.com/
[05:03] <kkathman> chavo: I understand. I struggled with Gimp, then did the GimpShop thing, but I DO alot of graphic work, and theres nothing better than Photoshop
[05:03] <alakhia> gsuveg: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/399868
[05:04] <raphink> endo602: there you see that Xandros is #16 and Ubuntu is #1
[05:04] <DaSkreech> kkathman: For what you do
[05:04] <DaSkreech> If so then keep using Photoshop
[05:04] <raphink> so you can make your opinion on what most people use ;)
[05:04] <gsuveg> alakhia: apt-get update run ok ?
[05:05] <kkathman> DaSkreech: yes, for what I do sure. I mean its the standard in the industry. I used PSP for a while, but when I hit Photoshop..its the nirvana for graphic designers
[05:05] <alakhia> gsuveg: yup
[05:05] <gsuveg> alakhia: apt-get upgrade ?
[05:05] <endo602> raph check pm
[05:06] <kkathman> Others, if you just need to crop or remove red eye, etc...just about anything will work :)
[05:06] <alakhia> gsuveg: i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove
[05:06] <raphink> haven't got any pm endo602
[05:06] <endo602> damn sorry
[05:06] <endo602> yeah
[05:06] <endo602> i have to register
[05:06] <endo602> never the worry
[05:06] <raphink> yep
[05:07] <endo602> i just wanted to know if i can remove xandros and instal kubuntu simply?
[05:07] <raphink> endo602: what partitions do you have?
[05:07] <endo602> because xandros offered a dual boot with windows
[05:07] <endo602> windows and linux
[05:07] <gsuveg> alakhia: and you havent kde ?
[05:07] <endo602> on one drive
[05:07] <raphink> only one partition for linux?
[05:07] <endo602> yeah
[05:07] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I do realize that Photoshop is beyond the reach of alot of people too at $700 lol. But its my business so..we get the best in that regard I suppose :)
[05:07] <raphink> endo602: you don't have a separate /home?
[05:08] <endo602> oh i do
[05:08] <raphink> that was my question endo602
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: how do I check if I do?
[05:08] <endo602> its on seperate partion
[05:08] <endo602> sorry
[05:08] <endo602> im new to this man
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: I manually installed kdelibs and konversation
[05:08] <raphink> so you have at least one / , one /home and one partition for windows
[05:08] <raphink> right?
[05:08] <DaSkreech> kkathman: Of course ;) I have no real issue with Photoshop other than no one really *uses* it
[05:08] <gsuveg> what is manualy ?
[05:08] <endo602> yes
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: am using twm ...
[05:08] <raphink> endo602: do you want to keep your /home ? or do you not mind?
[05:08] <alakhia> gsuveg: apt-get install konversation
[05:08] <gsuveg> twm is the best :)
[05:09] <alakhia> gsuveg: it would be ok if I could resize windows right now! :-)
[05:09] <endo602> i registered
[05:09] <endo602> pm
[05:09] <gsuveg> alakhia: install kubuntu-desktop
[05:10] <alakhia> gsuveg: my wife will hate twm, i'm sure
[05:10] <kkathman> DaSkreech: noone uses it..Ha ha..well, keep that myth alive I suppose.  Im sure no one in the open source world does, but afraid that most professionals use it.
[05:10] <gsuveg> alakhia: i was use long time
[05:10] <DaSkreech> kkathman: I mean that people use a subset of what it can do
[05:11] <alakhia> gsuveg: ksysguard: Depends: ksysguardd (= 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu5) but 4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 is to be installed
[05:11] <DaSkreech> kkathman: the range of things it can do is a little broad I don't know anyone who you can go through and show them things in Photoshop and they aren't surprised at at least one of them
[05:11] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I'd agree with that, but I think thats true of Word Processors, Spreadsheets, and most all robust apps
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Well I don't many professional spreadsheeters :)
[05:12] <alakhia> gsuveg: can't install kubuntu desktop because of above error
[05:12] <nikkia> DaSkreech: a program's feature list  isn't a checklist that you must utilise each of on every project :P
[05:13] <kkathman> nikkia: very true, well said.
[05:13] <gsuveg> alakhia: remove all kde related stuff and install kubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <gsuveg> qt, libs
[05:14] <alakhia> gsuveg: how do I get a listing of everything that is installed? Something like rpm -qa ?
[05:14] <DaSkreech> nikkia: I'm not saying it is but many people who are more intimate with photoshop than people should be with software are surprised at stuff it can do
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Kinda like the Linux kernel :)
[05:14] <nikkia> and i would argue that there are very few PS features that 'noone ever uses', brushes maybe, but i've seen pros do weird things with those, where afterwards you wouldn't even consider it might have been a custom brush
[05:15] <gsuveg> dpkg -l | more
[05:15] <gsuveg> dpkg -l | grep kde
[05:16] <alakhia> gsuveg: so right now, i have a mix and match of 3.4.3 and 3.4.91 ... this sucks
[05:18] <gsuveg> kill em all
[05:19] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I dont disagree with that at all. Photoshop is an immensely powerful app. Like many things, there is a "core" that almost everyone uses that extends beyond the boundaries of most graphics apps. Outside that, there are things that I use, that no other app has. I hardly have scratched the surface in 5 years of use.
[05:21] <Earthen> I need to readd the cd repositorty to my list because i mistakenly deleted it could someone tell me how to add it or past the line to add in my .sorces list
[05:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> run 'sudo apt-cdrom' in konsole
[05:22] <buga> alakhia: dpkg -l|grep ' kde'|grep 3.4.91|awk '{ print $2"=4:3.4.3-\*" }'|xargs apt-get install -y -s
[05:22] <alakhia> gsuveg: uninstalled ksysguard just now
[05:22] <lz1gjd> hi guys, could you help me with my problem : i just installed the new kubuntu 5.10 and amd having problems with my screen going corrupt after several minutes of use ? i have gf6600 and using the preinstalled 7667 driver
[05:23] <alakhia> gsuveg: now, when I do install kubuntu-desktop, I get 175 new packages
[05:23] <Earthen> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[05:23] <kkathman> lz1gjd: what kind of video card/software?
[05:23] <gsuveg> alakhia: good
[05:23] <buga> remove -s if the output is good
[05:23] <DaSkreech> kkathman: can you script Photoshop?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> So that you can use it as an engine?
[05:24] <kkathman> DaSkreech: script?
[05:24] <alakhia> gsuveg: will start this now and wait! :-)
[05:24] <gsuveg> good to head
[05:24] <gsuveg> s/head/hear
[05:24] <kkathman> DaSkreech: can you give me an example of what you'd be trying to do?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> kkathman: Like find this drop in tone and then blur it this many pixels in all directions  or down a gradient
[05:24] <alakhia> gsuveg:  thanks a lot for all your help! :-)
[05:25] <lz1gjd> oops it did it again and im writing blindly, will reboot
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Then apply that to 800 pictures
[05:25] <kkathman> DaSkreech: hmm, I've done the former lots of times, but not the latter.
[05:25] <buga> alakhia: kubuntu-desktop contains unversioned dependencies, so it won't downgrade your kde 3.5beta1 packages
[05:26] <gsuveg> alakhia: yw
[05:26] <kkathman> DaSkreech: answer is...I dont know about that, I am still on version 7.1 also, and I hear that PS8 with Elements does a tremendous amount of "bulk" capabilities, but I havent used it
[05:26] <Earthen> Kamping_Kaiser: thank you very much!
[05:26] <alakhia> gsuveg: oh, and ksysguard from 3.5 was uncompatible with 3.4.3 ...
[05:27] <alakhia> gsuveg: I think I will upgrade to beta2 instead ...
[05:28] <gsuveg> alakhia: sry. im a poor user. not developer
[05:28] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I dont know why you'd want that particular capability tho... the "tone" you pick could appear in many places in your photo or graphic, sometimes you'd want to change it other times not...I know you can bulk change color A with Color B.
[05:28] <spiral> hi
[05:28] <alakhia> gsuveg: well, you've been very helpful nonetheless
[05:29] <kkathman> DaSkreech: I just did a quick scan of Photoshop CS (8) and yes it has the bulk capability you speak of.
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Cool :-)
[05:30] <alakhia> gsuveg: ok, off to work. See you around! :)
[05:31] <seezer> kkathman: do you use PS on linux?
[05:33] <gsuveg> alakhia: i works too
[05:33] <kkathman> seezer: I tried using both wine and that other emulator, and it really didnt give me the productivity or resolution I needed
[05:34] <seezer> that's what i wanted to ask next. is it usable ;)
[05:34] <seezer> did you try this crossover thingy?
[05:34] <kkathman> so I have a very powerful winbox that I do video, audio and graphics on, but develop things on linux
[05:34] <kkathman> seezer: yes
[05:35] <kkathman> seezer: photoshop works under both.  But its definitely not the solution for me.
[05:37] <kkathman> seezer: in general, linux doesnt have the "industrial strength" multimedia things. And I wouldnt expect it to.  Many software houses create and distribute to the most popular hardware/OS and these kinds of apps are typically beyond alot of open source developers.
[05:38] <seezer> kkathman: good that i don't _need_ those tools :) nice to have them at home, and there's nothing better than OSS :)
[05:38] <kkathman> I sure hope that more companies liks Macromedia, Adobe,  Pinnacle etc will see their way to put together some of these intiatives in the future, but its doubtful because of support issues.
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you disconnect a session using screen?
[05:39] <seezer> i can understand you - but haven't heard of someone using PS as a "professional" and tried it on linux
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> im to tired to understand man pages right now :(
[05:39] <seezer> that's why i asked :)
[05:39] <raphink> what do you mean Kamping_Kaiser ?
[05:39] <raphink> you mean shut down the comp from kde?
[05:40] <kkathman> seezer: yes, Im sure you will never hear of someone that makes a living in graphic design use linux exclusively.
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i mean the program 'screen', which lets you disconnect from a remote computer, but leaving everying running as it was. its a terminal thing (for ssh)
[05:40] <kkathman> again Im hopeful but not expecting it :)
[05:40] <raphink> kkathman: pixar is on linux now
[05:40] <raphink> using maya, gimp, etc.
[05:40] <seezer> ha :)
[05:40] <kkathman> raphink: yeah thats a good thing too!  They have their own developers which is great for them..but not for us guys out here :(
[05:41] <raphink> ;)
[05:41] <kkathman> wish they'd share :)
[05:42] <nikkia> kkathman: most of pixar's programs wouldn't be useful to the rest of the world anyway, from what i've seen
[05:42] <nikkia> and a lot of it ties heavily into renderman stuff
[05:43] <raphink> k
[05:43] <kkathman> nikkia: yeah you are right about that
[05:43] <kkathman> be back in a bit...eye doctor appt..
[05:44] <nikkia> two nikkis in one channel, what are the odds? :)
[05:44] <elliptic> hey
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Peter Jackson is making the halo Movie
[05:45] <DaSkreech> For microsoft
[05:45] <DaSkreech> solely on Linux Servers :-)
[05:45] <elliptic> I am wanting to add some kubuntu packages from text mode...  any help?
[05:45] <nikkia> elliptic: apt-get or aptitude
[05:45] <nikkia> elliptic: personally i use aptitude for everything
[05:45] <elliptic> thanks
[05:46] <apokryphos> well, not always, but often
[05:48] <nikkia> Pupeno: its one of those 'once you're used to it, everything else seems strange' things
[05:48] <Pupeno> nikkia: like vim.
[05:49] <nikkia> Pupeno: or emacs :)
[05:49] <nikkia> how odd, it seems MS *have* broken the win32 headers in VC++ 2005
[05:49] <Pupeno> nikkia: I would say emacs is a little more friendly than vim, I mean, anybody can run emacs and write. You can't say the same with vim (disclaimer: I am a vimer myself).
[05:50] <nikkia> Pupeno: true to an extent, except GNU emacs tends to be strange if you don't know the keys to do things like exit :)
[05:50] <nikkia> xemacs does at least display the common shortcut keys at startup
[05:50] <Pupeno> :)
[05:51] <elliptic> hmmm...  why is it telling me that kubuntu 5.10 has no emacs?
[05:51] <elliptic> "No candidate version found for emacs"
[05:52] <nikkia> elliptic: its probably not called 'emacs' thats why, it'll be emacs-21.3 or something
[05:52] <nikkia> !find emacs
[05:52] <nikkia> !info emacs21
[05:52] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB
[05:52] <nikkia> try that :)
[05:52] <elliptic> thanks ubotu
[05:53] <elliptic> that worked
[05:53] <seezer> greets from eliza ;)
[05:53] <nikkia> (its probably impossible to have a 'emacs' metapackage too, since i would bet that emacs21 and xemacsXX both provide a fake package called 'emacs' that all the elc packages depend on)
[05:54] <_mars> How can i upgrade QT?
[05:54] <elliptic> thanks for your help, everyone!
[05:55] <Pupeno> _mars: short answer: yes... but why ?
[05:57] <Pupeno> _mars: just do apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; and you'll have the lattest version of Qt which is considered sane and stable by the Kubuntu devs, anything else is asking for trouble.
[06:02] <Bulwinkle> howdy all
[06:03] <Bulwinkle> Has anyone had any problems with 5.10 users not getting mailboxes?
[06:13] <ToXedVirus> hei people, im using nvidias drivers and i got a nvidia card, but the accelration doesnt work at all, and the fan of the vga starts to work very load ...
[06:14] <ToXedVirus> maybie there are some fixes for this thingy bingy ?
[06:18] <el-stupido> whats the command to config nvidia drivers?
[06:18] <samx> anybody an idea why I can't unlock my X sessions?
[06:18] <ToXedVirus> nvidia-glx-config
[06:19] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  thankyou
[06:20] <samx> in /var/log/auth.log I find Oct 20 18:14:43 localhost unix_chkpwd[8695] : check pass; user unknown
[06:21] <samx> but I can log in normally
[06:21] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  it wont let me configure it just says changes incorporated (enable glx)
[06:22] <azertyuuu> hey all, i need the command to reconfigure my screen/monitor/resolution   but i can't remember
[06:23] <_sveri> azertyuuu: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:23] <azertyuuu> ah thanx
[06:23] <_sveri> azertyuuu: i wrote you some hours ago, but unfortunately you went before i could post
[06:23] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:23] <ToXedVirus> ?
[06:23] <azertyuuu> lol, in that time, i reinstalled kubuntu TWICE :)
[06:24] <samx> any idea would be appreciated...
[06:24] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  that just enables glx .. i want to make some more settings
[06:24] <azertyuuu> and i have to mention that i certainly WON't use crtl+alt+backspace anymore
[06:24] <azertyuuu> that's the root of all evil
[06:24] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: nano -w /etc/xorg.conf ? nvidia-settings ?
[06:24] <ToXedVirus> el-stupido: apt-get install nvidia-settings
[06:25] <el-stupido> ToXedVirus  ok
[06:28] <azertyuuu> my question, how can i leave X and restart again, without using ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:28] <ToXedVirus> i hope that a update works
[06:29] <kkathman> azertyuuu: why is it that you want to leave X?
[06:29] <azertyuuu> i made changes to xorg.conf
[06:30] <kkathman> ahh... ok
[06:30] <kkathman> why not reboot? get a clean startup?
[06:30] <asraniel> is there somewhere a hardware compatibility list for ubuntu?
[06:30] <azertyuuu> there are other tricks
[06:30] <kkathman> you can go to the konsole and stop and start X I think...depending on how you set things up
[06:32] <samx> asraniel: theoretically everything that works with linux should work with Ubuntu... you can look at the SuSE hardware list for example
[06:32] <kkathman> but ctrl-alt-backspace is the right way I think
[06:34] <seezer> restart kdm by /etc/init.d/kdm restart is also a clean thing
[06:34] <kkathman> yep
[06:49] <DrSpin> quick question -- I want to mount /dev/hdb1 chown=joeuser chgrp=justagroup -- all files added to this folder should automagically be chown and chgrp accordingly... anyone know how to do this?
[06:55] <kkathman> DrSpin: you should use the -r option
[06:55] <DrSpin> kkathman: -r when I mv/cp or -r on the mount?
[06:56] <kkathman> when you do your chown
[06:56] <kkathman> or chmod
[06:56] <kkathman> etc
[06:56] <kkathman> mount wont make a diff I dont think
[06:56] <DrSpin> I don't want to have to chown or chmod -- I want it to be automagic
[06:56] <DrSpin> and I know it can be done -- just haven't been able to figure out how
[06:56] <kkathman> ohhh you mean on everything on that drive?
[06:56] <DrSpin> exactly
[06:56] <DrSpin> :)
[06:57] <kkathman> cant you do a -r from the root?
[06:57] <DrSpin> ??
[06:57] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[06:57] <kkathman> kinda drastic
[06:57] <DrSpin> oh yeah -- but again -- I want it to be automagic
[06:58] <kkathman> DrSpin: when you install, everything is set to root:root I think except your user files
[06:58] <kkathman> so anything else has to be set I believe..I dont know of anything off hand that changes ownership or group except chown
[06:58] <mars_> What schould i write in apt get to install java for breezy?
[06:58] <DrSpin> for example I copy fila.ogg of which joeuser is owner/group when I copy it to /mount/point I want it to be chown joeuser and chgrp group1
[06:59] <kkathman> DrSpin: assuming that fila.ogg was different before?
[07:00] <kkathman> !tell mars about java
[07:00] <kkathman> oops
[07:00] <kkathman> !tell mars_ about java
[07:00] <kkathman> check your PM
[07:00] <mars_> Ye
[07:01] <mars_> Where can i find list of what bot can !rell me
[07:01] <DrSpin> kkathman: there is no assumption -- fila.ogg was different before -- should I set a cron scipt that changes the permissions?? can I do a cron script that runs on each new file created in a particular filesystem?
[07:02] <kkathman> DrSpin: well ya I guess you could...but what it sounds like is that you want any file copied to a location to inherit the ownership and group of that location
[07:02] <kkathman> is that right?
[07:02] <DrSpin> exactly
[07:02] <DrSpin> the cron idea was one I had for a dirty hack solution
[07:03] <kkathman> hmmm I really dont know if thats possible...ask in #ubuntu and see if they can help you there...someone there will know some esoteric command string to do it I imagine :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> LOL
[07:03] <kkathman> Im not the best on the command line :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> thanks :)
[07:03] <DrSpin> I'm sure there's an esoteric fstab option for it
[07:04] <kkathman> mars_: http://www.ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:04] <kkathman> DrSpin: if you find out...will you let me know
[07:04] <DrSpin> yeah
[07:04] <kkathman> thanks
[07:04] <DrSpin> np
[07:08] <_manveru> i certainly didn't say today that kubuntu absolutly rocks, right? :)
[07:08] <DrSpin> cp -a will force inheritance -- now how to give it to FSTAB
[07:10] <kkathman> _manveru: I dont know if you said that or not...did you mean to?
[07:10] <kkathman> DrSpin: right I knew that -a would but that automagically requirement kinda threw me
[07:10] <kkathman> but that seems to help you
[07:11] <DrSpin> it's a step closer to what I'm needing :)
[07:11] <_manveru> kkathman: maybe i'm only in awe of KDE, but ubuntu really add the last missing piece in the puzzle
[07:11] <_manveru> add+s
[07:11] <kkathman> _manveru: well glad you like it :)
[07:12] <ToXedVirus> poeple i dont know what to do, I installed the nvidia drivers, the fan is working very loud, but there is not grafix acceleration
[07:12] <ToXedVirus> geforce 7800gtx ? maybie someone had already these problems ?
[07:12] <_manveru> kkathman: i just spent 2 hours playing with kde... that hardly can be called productive
[07:13] <kkathman> _manveru: 2 hours?? well getting acquainted with all the options can take some time for sure
[07:14] <kkathman> hey there tvo :)
[07:14] <_manveru> kkathman: the problem with that is... i'm using KDE since version 1.1 or something
[07:14] <adrianoc> help-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto
[07:14] <_manveru> and i'm still absolutly astonished :)
[07:14] <kkathman> _manveru: yah I hear KDE 3.5 will be even better, but its not quite ready yet
[07:15] <tvo> hi kkathman  :)
[07:15] <_manveru> kkathman: i know... haven't got any reason to try the beta2, but waiting for it anyway
[07:15] <DrSpin> where in KDE can I setup my multimedia keys?
[07:16] <_manveru> i never realized that Kontakt has become so powerful
[07:16] <DrSpin> switching from Fluxbox and trying out KDE...
[07:16] <_manveru> DrSpin: try the program 'xev'
[07:17] <_manveru> DrSpin: out of the console... and press your buttons
[07:17] <DrSpin> doesn't work for the multimedia keys -- already tried
[07:17] <adrianoc> help-me please ... where apt-get update, say ... alha ao baixar http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum incorreto
[07:17] <_manveru> so i'm sorry for you... if x doesn't get them, your KDE certainly won't
[07:18] <kkathman> DrSpin: do you mean the function keys for the apps or some specific things for say, the music player?
[07:18] <_manveru> there might be a way via /proc/acpi/events tho...
[07:18] <kkathman> Each KDE App has its own shortcut F keys that can be configured per application.
[07:19] <DrSpin> I'm most concerned about making the volume and tracking buttons work
[07:19] <after8> adrianoc, it dont matter.....
[07:19] <kkathman> DrSpin: They should be on your player application
[07:20] <_manveru> kkathman: if the keys are not mapped to X, they can't be used for shortcuts...
[07:21] <kkathman> _manveru: Each K-application has its own shortcuts that can be individually mapped
[07:21] <_manveru> kkathman: that's correct, but what if KDE doesn't know that the key is pressed?
[07:22] <kkathman> _manveru: im not following...I've never had a problem with any application's shortcuts
[07:22] <_manveru> kkathman: you don't have one of those multimedia-keyboards, right?
[07:22] <kkathman> you go to Konqueror...go to "Configure Shortcuts" and type what you want
[07:23] <kkathman> _manveru: Oh ok...yah I see what you mean now...gotcha
[07:23] <_manveru> ^^
[07:23] <kkathman> I dont even enable sound on my box
[07:23] <kkathman> no need for it
[07:23] <_manveru> i got my laptop playing for me...
[07:24] <_manveru> and since i use amarok, i never used the buttons anyway
[07:24] <kkathman> any audio or video apps that I use are on my Win box
[07:24] <DrSpin> kkathman: it doesn't recognize the multimedia controls
[07:24] <DrSpin> kkathman: why do you have windows
[07:24] <after8> lol
[07:25] <kkathman> DrSpin: because  Linux sux at multimedia applications for graphics, audio and video... which is my livelihood :)
[07:25] <_manveru> DrSpin: the problem with the buttons is common... there are some good solutions for it - just have to dig it out
[07:26] <_manveru> DrSpin: http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=13534
[07:26] <kkathman> But even still I have 3 Linux boxes and 1 Windows :)
[07:27] <kevman> Oooh. OpenOffice 2 is out...
[07:27] <kkathman> kevman: yep, but have you looked at K-office?
[07:28] <_manveru> KOffice got better? :)
[07:28] <kkathman> _manveru: Havent looked at OO2 yet, but Im reasonably impressed with K-office :)
[07:29] <_manveru> kkathman: my #1 reason for using OO was the crossplatform-approach, sharing documents became easy
[07:29] <_manveru> i guess i don't have KOffice installed...
[07:30] <kkathman> but isnt OO2 distributed with the kubuntu-desktop in breezy...I have oo2 on my install
[07:30] <seezer> _manveru: since they use the open document format, it's not depending on OO any more
[07:30] <kkathman> _manveru: yes your reasoning is very valid
[07:30] <_manveru> seezer: so does KOffice handle OO-files now?
[07:30] <_manveru> btw, i got OO lying around, never started it...
[07:31] <seezer> that's what you can read everywhere. didn't test it. :)
[07:31] <_manveru> and it is indeed OO2
[07:31] <kkathman> Koffice has some really nice components...including a Visio-lite kind of app
[07:31] <seezer> kkathman: better then 'dia'?
[07:31] <kkathman> seezer: honestly dont know...never tried dia
[07:32] <seezer> dia is quite good, but got little problems which make you shout bad things..
[07:33] <kkathman> I also like the "control center" for K-Office...all apps from a single starter panel...very nice
[07:33] <_manveru> hmm, OO2 is almost the same as the first one...
[07:33] <_manveru> i mean, i haven't read the changelog... but there is nothing that got my attention
[07:33] <asraniel> anyone knows the name of the X developement libraries?
[07:34] <_manveru> xserver-xorg-dev or something?
[07:34] <_manveru> just ask your adept and search for x and dev
[07:35] <asraniel> _manveru: problem is, searching for 2 words doesent work
[07:35] <asraniel> it searchs for "x dev" and not x +dev
[07:35] <_manveru> uh...
[07:36] <_manveru> x*dev ?
[07:36] <buz> since i upgraded to kde 3.5b2 (from b1) amarok wont work anymore
[07:36] <buz> anyone else with that issue?
[07:36] <_manveru> nothing
[07:37] <asraniel> _manveru: like i said, searching for 2 words isnt supported.
[07:37] <_manveru> asraniel: that's odd... did install them some time ago on my debian-system
[07:38] <_manveru> asraniel: but somehow the name is different
[07:38] <kkathman> buz: there are many problems with 3.5b2...probably was released too soon
[07:38] <asraniel> i installed libx11-dev, but i have a app that want more to compile: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:39] <dipnlik> hi all. I installed opera on my kubuntu and when i open it it says something about not finding the plugins folder and tells me to install motif. how do I fix this?
[07:39] <_manveru> asraniel: there is an option for 'Role: "sw:devel-lib"'
[07:41] <_manveru> xlibs-static-dev maybe?
[07:42] <buz> kkathman: the others listed i can live with
[07:42] <buz> but no sound? that sucks
[07:42] <buz> well maybe the alsa downgrade helps
[07:42] <ToXedVirus> peeeeooople, kubuntu 5.10 amd64, the nvidia driver doesnt work, does someone know WHY ?!
[07:43] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: i know, i know! - you haven't got a graphics-card?
[07:44] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: do you have some more info concerning your problem?
[07:44] <ToXedVirus> i gotta 7800gtx, when the X server starts, the fan starts to work very very load
[07:44] <ToXedVirus> and no gfx acceleration
[07:45] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: you tried the acceleration using what?
[07:45] <ToXedVirus> em only kde
[07:46] <ToXedVirus> tried to install tuxracer, but there are no packages on the servers
[07:46] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: and KDE says, hey, i haven't got acceleration?
[07:47] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: i got tuxracer on my repo...
[07:48] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: not sure it is in universe, but you might want to allow apps from universe too
[07:48] <ToXedVirus> so can you give me the entry ?
[07:49] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ihQSoz46.html - just pick what you want
[07:50] <asraniel> _manveru: great, got the right libds. was xlib :-)
[07:51] <Toxix> hello
[07:51] <_manveru> asraniel: great :)
[07:52] <kkathman> Hi Toxix
[07:52] <Toxix> how to mount ext3 partition??
[07:53] <kkathman> Toxix: did you define one at installation?
[07:53] <ToXedVirus> mount /dev/hda1 /somedir
[07:53] <kkathman> right  :)
[07:53] <Toxix> thx
[07:55] <xvila> who
[07:59] <Masura> Hello everyone.
[07:59] <kkathman> hi Masura :)
[07:59] <virus> _manveru: are you using kubuntu for amd64 ?
[07:59] <Masura> What's up?
[07:59] <kkathman> nada
[08:00] <_manveru> virus: nope... should it be any different?
[08:00] <Boronk> no flash
[08:00] <Boronk> no working java in firefox
[08:00] <kkathman> Boronk: install it
[08:00] <Boronk> does not work
[08:00] <kkathman> yes it does
[08:01] <kkathman> !tell Boronk about java
[08:01] <Boronk> i installed blackdown
[08:01] <kkathman> !tell Boronk about flash
[08:02] <Toxix> how to mount ext3 partition with full access??
[08:02] <kkathman> I have both working on both Opera and Firefox
[08:02] <virus> _manveru: yes it should, coes im getting all the time these fu********* mesages like,
[08:02] <virus> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:02] <Boronk> and most swf things do not work with gplflash
[08:03] <_manveru> virus: the same on my side... there is another problem involved here
[08:03] <Boronk> and then there is on little libdvdcss2 problem
[08:03] <kkathman> Boronk: dont know what to tell you...I get flash sites just fine
[08:03] <matto> virus : I dont think backports is working yet dude.
[08:03] <Boronk> with amd64
[08:03] <Boronk> ??
[08:03] <virus> yes
[08:03] <virus> or no
[08:03] <virus> no
[08:04] <kkathman> well you didnt mention amd64, but I dont think that should matter if you installed the correct breezy version on your machine
[08:04] <Boronk> so.. i386 was never a problem
[08:04] <Boronk> but amd64 is
[08:04] <_manveru> W: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://at.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden)
[08:04] <Boronk> no libdvdcss2 , only a avil hack
[08:04] <kkathman> I cant speak personally for amd64
[08:04] <_manveru> [sorry for the german - but it is the same error...]
[08:04] <virus> du armer _manveru  ^^
[08:05] <_manveru> either it's a problem with the repo, but the de-one doesn't work as well...
[08:05] <libben> lol, forgot the editors name
[08:05] <libben> vi and whats the other one
[08:05] <_manveru> or it's something i just never saw... some extremly hidden option
[08:05] <_manveru> libben: emacs, nano
[08:06] <libben> nano was the one
[08:06] <libben> thxs
[08:06] <libben> totally blanked on that
[08:07] <libben> what to type to reload .bashrc?
[08:07] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: sorry, but i can't PM you, i'm not registered
[08:08] <_manveru> ToXedVirus: if you've got some IM, write me the address in the PM
[08:11] <_mars> ?
[08:12] <_mars> Is it?
[08:14] <greg> hi all, i have kubuntu installed, and wanted to add gcompris
[08:14] <greg> which is in edubuntu
[08:14] <greg> is there a different sources list that I can add so that I can just install the binary?
[08:15] <greg> b/c it's not showing up as a package from the kubuntu lists
[08:15] <lwells> Is there a good wireless access point sniffer on Linux??
[08:16] <after8> lwells apt-cache search wifi or sniffer
[08:16] <after8> g!info gcompris
[08:16] <after8> !info gcompris
[08:16] <ubotu> gcompris: (Educational games for small children), section games, is optional. Version: 6.5.3-2+7.0.2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 856 kB
[08:17] <after8> greg, same repositories for k/ubuntu
[08:17] <greg> hmm, i did a search with synaptic and it didn't show up
[08:18] <after8> greg weir... try simple apt-get...
[08:19] <_manveru> !info tuxracer
[08:19] <ubotu> tuxracer: (dummy transition package), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.61-7 (breezy), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 44 kB
[08:19] <_manveru> ah, so it's in universe...
[08:19] <_manveru> but why is it a dummy?
[08:20] <greg> weird...i guess the packages database was not refreshed since the install
[08:20] <greg> b/c i just reloaded from all sources and voila there is gcompris
[08:22] <greg> thanks after8
[08:31] <lwells> i loaded an application from Adept , but it does not show up on the menu
[08:32] <hussam> lwells: what app?
[08:32] <lwells> Airsnort
[08:32] <_mars> Is it possible to downgrade KDE?
[08:32] <kkathman> downgrade?
[08:33] <kkathman> you mean from like the beta2?
[08:33] <mornfall> possible yes, easy no
[08:33] <lwells> trying to find a good wifi sniff program
[08:33] <after8> hi pete :)
[08:34] <mornfall> after8: are you addressing me or someone else? :)
[08:34] <after8> mornfall, you ;)
[08:34] <mornfall> after8: hi there then ;-)
[08:34] <mornfall> *tired*
[08:34] <lwells> want to be able to make a connection, if there is an open access point
[08:35] <kkathman> anyone had any luck with a good newsgroup program?
[08:35] <el-stupido> if i want to move an ini file from windows onto linux .. will it work?
[08:36] <after8> mornfall, nice one on adept 1.0 though, works lovely :)
[08:36] <_mars_> OK is it safe to upgrade KDE to KDE 3.5 Beta 2 ?
[08:36] <after8> el-stupido, it will copy.
[08:36] <el-stupido> its an ini file for the same game .. just the ini on windows is config'd
[08:36] <after8> el-stupido, should do then.....
[08:36] <kkathman> _mars_: dont upgrade to beta2
[08:36] <_mars_> ok
[08:36] <_mars_> thanks
[08:36] <mornfall> _mars_: safe as in you won't contract an STD yes... otherwise, i don't think so =)
[08:36] <el-stupido> okay.. i tried that but the binds that I had set wont work
[08:37] <after8> how do you upgrade to beta 2? im on b1 now
[08:37] <_mars_> He he i have problems with installing deco and i thougt upgradeing will help :;;/
[08:37] <after8> er no im not actually, im on e17
[08:37] <xxenon> I'm upgrading to Koalition...I hope it's safe :)
[08:37] <mornfall> after8: hmm, e17, is that the real one or the mythological one? :)
[08:38] <after8> the not finished one.
[08:38] <lwells> How do i add a application to the KDE menu
[08:38] <mornfall> it's never finished
[08:38] <mornfall> it just crashes less at some points :)
[08:38] <mornfall> (about software in general)
[08:41] <kkathman> xxenon: what's Koalition?
[08:42] <_mars_> At all is it possible to downgrade to hoary :)
[08:42] <_mars_> I have a lot of problems with breezy and in fact i dont know why
[08:43] <_mars_> I hate having problems cause i dont know what to do then
[08:43] <_mars_> For example
[08:43] <_mars_> I was trying to compile crystal GL style
[08:43] <xxenon> kkathman - release name for 3.5 beta 2
[08:43] <_mars_> and i turned to make aftyer compile
[08:44] <_mars_> And there was a lot of qt problems :/
[08:44] <_mars_> I am noob and i dont know how to get over it
[08:44] <getaceres> _mars_: It's difficult to do such a thing. Is it possible to downgrade a few packages, but it's nearly impossible to downgrade hundreds of packages
[08:44] <_mars_> I see
[08:44] <puckman> Does anyone have any problems with Kubuntu lacking sound after waking up from suspention ?
[08:44] <kkathman> xxenon: ahh ok...you might want to be careful then...its VERY buggy
[08:44] <_mars_> My sound doesent work at all :)
[08:45] <getaceres> _mars_: what kind of errors do you get?
[08:45] <_mars_> wait i will compile it again
[08:45] <xxenon> kkathman - what sort of bugs ?
[08:46] <xxenon> kkathman - (I just suspended the upgrade actually...)
[08:46] <_mars_> What is the name of the site where i can paste log?
[08:46] <jjesse> pastebin.com
[08:46] <jjesse> www.pastebin.com
[08:47] <vicks> kubuntu.pastebin.com even
[08:49] <_mars_> http://pastebin.com/400141 here it is
[08:49] <_mars_> ./configure is ok
[08:49] <puckman> _mars what have you tried?
[08:50] <puckman> Sound works fine, but when I hibernate the machine and wake it up again i get no sound
[08:50] <puckman> amarok works, shows its playing, bars go up and down, no errors but no sound
[08:50] <puckman> a restart fixes it
[08:50] <raingrove> puckman try "sudo killall artsd"
[08:51] <_mars> :/
[08:51] <pointwood> anyone else running breezy/kde 3.5beta2 and have sound problems? sound doesn't work in mplayer and Kaffeine and amarok crashes when I try to play some music
[08:51] <puckman> no joy raingrove
[08:51] <pointwood> Juk works though
[08:54] <_mars> I think i will write again to maker of this style
[08:54] <raingrove> :(
[08:55] <puckman> maybe i could try a different engine
[08:55] <_mars> Is breezy stabile version?
[08:56] <raingrove> does anyone know how to make openoffice use KDE or GNOME's font anti-aliasing settings ?
[08:56] <getaceres> _mars: Yes, breezy is considered the stable Ubunt version
[08:56] <_robin> hello all, need a little help, i reinstalled my os becasue of all the issues with kde beta 2, i cant find the souce to add to my source list to get mplayer and w32codes, any one have it?
[08:57] <after8> !tell _robin about restricted
[08:57] <_mars> hmm
[08:57] <_mars> maybe i need to update qt. How can i do it?
[09:00] <pointwood> can I downgrade to plain breezy from kde3.5beta2?
[09:00] <getaceres> /tell _mars there's no newer version of QT apart from QT4, which is incompatible with QT3 and so, it cannot be installed with KDE
[09:00] <_robin> #after8 thanks
[09:01] <after8> :)
[09:01] <kkathman> Does anyone know of another newsgroup reader/processor other than pan and knode?
[09:01] <Boronk> gnus
[09:01] <Boronk> xnews
[09:02] <kkathman> Boronk: those dont sound like KDE apps tho
[09:02] <getaceres> kkathman: Have you looked at www.kde-apps.org?
[09:03] <Boronk> sounds like very old x apps
[09:03] <Boronk> perhaps emacs can run kde
[09:04] <kkathman> getaceres: yah...well, another source gave me somethings like knews, krn and klibido
[09:04] <Boronk> libido sounds funny
[09:04] <kkathman> Boronk: I think its a binary downloader...probably for porn
[09:05] <Boronk> ah, well
[09:06] <kkathman> ah there are several in kynaptic
[09:06] <kkathman> but most are not kde :(
[09:07] <kkathman> Im used to newsbin pro in windows...its VERY good
[09:07] <Boronk> this is probably no problem
[09:07] <Boronk> gimp is not kde
[09:07] <Boronk> and OOo also
[09:07] <kkathman> lol
[09:07] <Boronk> they will work perfectly
[09:08] <kkathman> oh no question...I just kinda would like a K-program if at all possible ..then I'll go from there
[09:08] <after8> kkathman, create an alias ;)
[09:08] <kkathman> pan is a gnome newsreader I think..and so is pine
[09:08] <Boronk> pine is console...
[09:08] <kkathman> an alias for what?
[09:09] <kkathman> and why?
[09:09] <Boronk> one could call it kpan and make the gtk theme look like plastik
[09:09] <after8> yeah :)
[09:09] <Boronk> kimp
[09:09] <kkathman> Boronk: oh sure...thats not a prob
[09:09] <kkathman> haha
[09:09] <kkathman> well I dont like gimp anyway
[09:09] <Boronk> any better imaging tools than gimp?
[09:10] <kkathman> Boronk:  have you looked at Krita?
[09:10] <Boronk> no...
[09:10] <kkathman> Boronk: well Im a Photoshop user so Im spoiled :)
[09:10] <Boronk> but i dont think krita is as featurerich as gimp
[09:11] <kkathman> but Krita is nice, but its still being enhanced...still its much easier and intuitive than gimp
[09:11] <kkathman> no thats probably true
[09:11] <kkathman> gimp was thrown together so badly tho...not intuitive at all
[09:12] <Boronk> 2.4 is ok
[09:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: define intuitive?
[09:12] <kkathman> if you were learning it from scratch and had never ever used anything else..it would probably be ok for most uses tho
[09:12] <Boronk> Tm_T: photoshop-a-like
[09:12] <Tm_T> Boronk: exactly
[09:12] <Tm_T> Boronk: and who say only that is how things should be done?
[09:13] <kkathman> Tm_T: Ive used a few graphics progs in my time...among them PSP and Photoshop..and both are intuitive
[09:13] <kkathman> to me at least
[09:13] <Boronk> all the photoshop-fanboys-so
[09:13] <kkathman> its all in what you learned to begin with I think
[09:13] <Boronk> wonder how you found to linux
[09:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: well, thats only how you are used to do, if you are used only gimp-like programs and start now use photoshop, you propably would call it unintuitive
[09:13] <Boronk> windows must be much more intuitiv
[09:14] <Tm_T> I'm happy with gimp, though found some lacks in it
[09:14] <Tm_T> never used to use Photoshop
[09:14] <Tm_T> PSP is ok
[09:14] <kkathman> Tm_T:  maybe, but I started with something other than photoshop, then moved to Paint Shop Pro, and then to Photoshop...so..I think I can at least speak from experience in saying that those have certain things in common...and gimp was very different than all of them
[09:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: but I think people use couple words too easily these days: bloat and intuitive
[09:15] <Tm_T> without really thinkinw what they are saying
[09:15] <kkathman> since it is my work and my livelihood, I really cant afford to go through a long learning curve to learn something fairly non-standard
[09:16] <Boronk> gimp has some basic features missing: circle and boxes
[09:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:16] <Tm_T> Boronk: no its not?
[09:16] <Tm_T> Boronk: but I never found point-to-point selection
[09:16] <Boronk> how can i draw a circle? easily?
[09:16] <kkathman> Tm_T: call it whatever you want..PS is very powerful, very standard in the industry, and you can just do anything in it
[09:16] <kkathman> so I continue to use it :)
[09:17] <kkathman> hehe
[09:17] <Boronk> kkathman: windows is the same... industry standard, more apps etc
[09:17] <kkathman> Boronk: well, but there are certain apps that you can get in Linux that work as well or better right?
[09:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: true, if you have it and you find it easy to use, use it
[09:18] <kkathman> There isnt a Linux graphics editor that can touch Photoshop's capabilities...nor is there anything in Linux that will allow you to create Flash like Macromedia's program...etc...its an app thing
[09:18] <kkathman> there are just some things that open source programmers havent really tackled yet
[09:18] <kkathman> for the masses that is
[09:19] <kkathman> I just use what's good for me :)
[09:19] <kkathman> hehe
[09:19] <Tm_T> you should
[09:19] <Tm_T> as long as you can afford
[09:19] <Tm_T> to me, nogo
[09:19] <kkathman> but I'll admit my requirements are different than most and that gimp would surely work fine for most people :)
[09:20] <raingrove> i agree
[09:20] <kkathman> Tm_T:  ya its price prohibitive, but when its your business right...you get the best
[09:20] <Tm_T> kkathman: true
[09:20] <raingrove> that's one of the reasons other than games that makes me  still hold on to a windows partition
[09:21] <kkathman> raingrove: yep me too...my winbox is mostly audio, video and graphics
[09:21] <Boronk> the new power mac looks nice
[09:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: but, atleast to me, OS apps are enough, I can do all I need to do: meaning all my desktop graphics
[09:23] <ToXedVirus> can i use 32bit programs on amd64 ?
[09:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: yep...and whatever meets your needs the best on your budget...thats great :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: yup, matter of choices
[09:25] <raingrove> linux has a significantly higher market share than OS X if i am not wrong
[09:26] <raingrove> i wonder why Adobe, Macromedia, Corel, Discreet, Autodesk and other companies dont make apps available for linux
[09:26] <raingrove> when they do it for Mac OS X
[09:27] <MenZa`> Yeah :(
[09:27] <after8> raingrove, cos they suck and thers no corporation to pay off
[09:28] <raingrove> it's their loss i tell ya
[09:29] <after8> they will all fall one day
[09:30] <puckman> because there is corp support behind osx
[09:30] <puckman> and there are nice alternatives to their apps on linux
[09:30] <puckman> I am happy with my koffice
[09:30] <Eno_> why might firefox be crashing on every java applet? i installed the latest sun java sdk using java-package
[09:30] <puckman> learning blender
[09:30] <Eno_> it generates a .log in my home directory too
[09:30] <puckman> and krita is looking good
[09:31] <Eno_> what should i do...?
[09:32] <kkathman> well Klibido kinda sux...it crashes
[09:32] <kkathman> oh well
[09:32] <kkathman> guess knode is what Im stuck with, but its pretty rudimentary
[09:35] <raingrove> does anyone know where KMenu stores its menu item data
[09:39] <satafterh> anyone know the command to install nvidia driver
[09:40] <frank23> !nvidia
[09:40] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:44] <_xpoulet> 'soir
[09:45] <satafterh> how go i fix signatures were invalid
[09:46] <Tm_T> satafterh: ignore
[09:46] <Tm_T> satafterh: nothing important, it's just warning
[09:47] <satafterh> ok
[09:57] <kkathman> so Tm_T can you recommend another newsgroup proggie than knode?
[09:59] <Boronk> pan is better in binary-leeching
[09:59] <kkathman> Boronk:  I'll try that
[10:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: newsgroup... never used em
[10:00] <kkathman> hmm cant find pan in an apt-cache
[10:00] <Tm_T> to me, news are akregator ;)
[10:00] <kkathman> maybe it doesnt exist anymore
[10:01] <frank23> kkathman: hmm?  pan is in main, it should be available
[10:02] <kkathman> frank23:  I did an apt-cache search pan...and got tons of stuff, but no "pan" as an application
[10:02] <kkathman> maybe its called something else
[10:03] <frank23> !info pan
[10:03] <ubotu> pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 451 kB, Installed size: 3608 kB
[10:03] <Boronk> n8
[10:04] <kkathman> ok...great...someone do an apt-cache on it and find it
[10:05] <frank23> kkathman: just try apt-get install pan
[10:05] <frank23> apt-cache doesn't find it here either but synaptic does
[10:06] <kkathman> ok
[10:16] <ninux> bonjour a tous
[10:18] <ninux> bye all
[10:22] <thib> Hi, i've got a problem with hotway (breezy up-to -dat), localhost is unreachable, maybeyou have the answer
[10:23] <hetzz> im looking for something like speedfan for kubuntu... is it imposible to find?
[10:24] <zegnus> quit
[10:27] <sozcialbeat> hello all :-)
[10:27] <frank23> hi
[10:28] <sozcialbeat> hmmmm...
[10:29] <sozcialbeat> how about you?
[10:36] <aaronjs> is there an easy way to get rid of the default power now?
[10:36] <aaronjs> it locks up this C3.
[10:36] <sozcialbeat> Anachie and Roch'n Roll !!!
[10:37] <aaronjs> I uninstalled the powernow, but it looks like it is built in the kernel, or in the start up.
[10:42] <slow-motion> n8
[10:42] <aaronjs> ...or should I be asking this question in unbuntu?
[10:43] <kkathman> aaronjs: typically something like that would be best in #ubuntu, here we do mostly KDE questioning..but sometimes there are gurus that know these things too :)
[10:48] <mike__> hey guys, has anyone here ever used "Austrumi" linux ?
[10:50] <kkathman> mike__: Ive never heard of it actually
[10:53] <Mars> Hi I have Very Big problem
[10:54] <Mars> I compiled crystalGL style
[10:55] <kkathman> yes
[10:55] <Mars> And when i restarted x i noticed kde crash and there is no window deco. No buttons to close window. Notching. And my keyboard doesent work. I am on windows now. I have breezy
[10:55] <kkathman> yes there have been discussions about that in here the last two days. Several people have complained about the crystalGL
[10:56] <Mars> So is there any solution?
[10:57] <Mars> Is there anything I can do with it?
[10:57] <Mars> Or i have to delete Kubuntu?
[10:58] <Mars> Please
[10:59] <Mars> If you "overheard" these people what solution they had?
[11:00] <Mars_> :(
[11:01] <Mars_> I cant find anything about it on google...
[11:02] <Mars_> Extra
[11:02] <kkathman> Mars_: I believe that there were no solutions at this time, but perhaps they might return soon.
[11:03] <kkathman> I personally dont know what the crystalGL is
[11:03] <kkathman> so I cant offer any solution :)
[11:03] <Mars_> It means I am dead...
[11:03] <Mars_> I have to reinstall kubuntu...
[11:04] <kkathman> you can always get to a console and remove kubuntu-desktop and reinstall I suppose
[11:04] <Mars_> No my keyboard doesent work
[11:07] <Mars_> NIce
[11:07] <Mars_> author of this style wrote to me:
[11:07] <Mars_> No support to my GL deco, I warned every one.
[11:07] <Mars_> And no support to problems that are not closely related to my deco. ;)
[11:08] <Mars_> Idiota
[11:10] <kkathman> yah
[11:10] <kkathman> gotta be kinda careful
[11:10] <kkathman> always good to check with others in here especially to find out if anyone has experience with what you are downloading
[11:13] <woddf2> Haldo
[11:13] <woddf2> How do I remove OpenOffice.org without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[11:15] <woddf2> Haldo
[11:16] <kkathman> woddf2: cant you just apt-get remove ?
[11:16] <woddf2> I used Adept.
[11:16] <dell500> anyone know how to get permissions to the current user, i copied some files that were root owned, now i want to change the owner, do i use chown ?/
[11:16] <woddf2> It threatened to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[11:17] <kkathman> hmmm dont understand that
[11:17] <kkathman> but maybe there are deep ties now...dont know
[11:17] <gerardocb> yes, dell500
[11:17] <gerardocb> but using sudo
[11:17] <woddf2> When I tell it to keep kubuntu-desktop, it gives OpenOffice.org keep status.
[11:18] <dell500> yup
[11:18] <dell500> got it
[11:18] <woddf2> Like this: sudo chown fred:fred foo.bar
[11:18] <kkathman> woddf2: well I dunno then
[11:18] <dell500> lol
[11:18] <kkathman> why do you want to remove it?
[11:18] <woddf2> ?
[11:18] <dell500> foo.bar
[11:18] <woddf2> I like KOffice better.
[11:18] <kkathman> yah me too
[11:18] <kkathman> hehe
[11:19] <kkathman> actually kubuntu installed both oo1 and oo2
[11:19] <kkathman> guess they like it :)
[11:20] <woddf2> KWord loaded faster, but I think that's because I'm on KDE.
[11:20] <kkathman> I like KOffice alot...theyve really worked on it alot
[11:23] <woddf2> That's all I needed to know.
[11:23] <woddf2> Thanks
[11:23] <woddf2> Oodbyegay
[11:31] <_jaypee> kplayer users anybody?
[11:35] <zerotime> hi
[11:35] <zerotime> can someine send me a propper sources.list? I just installed kubuntu, and I just did an apt-get update and I get errors
[11:36] <_jaypee> do you have us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:36] <_jaypee> in repository
[11:36] <zerotime> I just installed kubuntu 5.10
[11:36] <_jaypee> oo okay
[11:37] <_jaypee> so that means you do have us.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:37] <_jaypee> let me get you proper link
[11:37] <_jaypee> i had same problem
[11:37] <_jaypee> i think us.archive.ubuntu.com repository is broken
[11:37] <zerotime> well, mine is es.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:38] <zerotime> I installed spanish support on the installation procedure
[11:38] <_jaypee> i am currently using deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:38] <zerotime> that works?
[11:38] <_jaypee> and when i did sudo apt-get update everything was fine
[11:38] <_jaypee> i just took the us off
[11:39] <_jaypee> im sending you my sources.list
[11:39] <_jaypee> so you can look over it
[11:40] <zerotime> thx, that worked like a charm
[11:41] <_jaypee> np =)
[11:41] <_jaypee> glad i helped
[11:41] <zerotime> what about installing amule, xmms, azureus, etc
[11:41] <zerotime> any source?
[11:42] <_jaypee> well amule i know you can install from apt-get
[11:42] <_jaypee> as long as you activate multiverse
[11:42] <onur> Hello, i have upgraded KDE 3.5 now i have the arts crashing. How can i downgrade ? sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb is not working because there's only 92 version
[11:42] <_jaypee> and universe in repository
[11:42] <_jaypee> azureus i believe you can just download from the site
[11:43] <onur> I mean i am trying to downgrade arts
[11:43] <_jaypee> http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[11:43] <_jaypee> make sure you also install latest java
[11:43] <_jaypee> for some reason azureus doesn't work with old java version
[11:44] <_jaypee> onur, hmm
[11:44] <_jaypee> i don't know how to do it
[11:44] <_jaypee> i had to do a complete reinstall
[11:44] <_jaypee> do you have synaptic installed?
[11:44] <onur> complete reinstall of what ?
[11:45] <_jaypee> complete reinstall of my kubuntu because it became unstable
[11:45] <onur> after upgrading to 3.5 ?
[11:45] <_jaypee> but i believe in synaptic you can force downgrade
[11:45] <zerotime> If I enable multinverse I get errors too
[11:45] <onur> mine looks stable except the arts crashing
[11:46] <_jaypee> onur go into synaptic and see if you can force a downgrade to lower version
[11:46] <onur> The issue has been noticed in knownbugs section of kubuntu website but the solution sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*arts*.91-*deb  is not working
[11:46] <_jaypee> zerotime do you still want to download my sources.list?
[11:47] <onur> _jaypee: is there synaptic in kubuntu ?
[11:47] <mts^> yes
[11:47] <mts^> but its called kynaptic
[11:47] <_jaypee> onur: in kubuntu its adept, but you can install synaptic by sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:47] <onur> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:47] <onur> llike that
[11:47] <onur> ok
[11:48] <_jaypee> yes
[11:48] <_jaypee> it has more features than kubuntu version of synaptic
[11:48] <onur> what else problems did you encounter after upgrading to 3.5 ?
[11:48] <mts^> adept is far nicer than synaptic imo
[11:49] <_jaypee> onur, just arts really
[11:49] <_jaypee> and occasional kicker crash
[11:49] <onur> so you did reinstall just for that ? Isn't that an overkill ?
[11:49] <_jaypee> also when i installed programs from source, it doesnt show up in the menu
[11:50] <onur> oh
[11:50] <onur> what do you suggest ?
[11:50] <kkathman> I'd suggest to anyone right now to NOT install KDE3.5 beta2
[11:50] <onur> i mean i need a stable system.
[11:50] <_jaypee> i didn't really tweak my computer much, and only tested kubuntu for two days, so i was like why not just reinstall and wait for kde 3.5 stable
[11:50] <kkathman> it was a premature release
[11:50] <onur> oh, this means i have to reinstall my kubuntu ?
[11:51] <_jaypee> its up to you
[11:51] <onur> assuming that i want to go back to 3.4.3
[11:51] <_jaypee> maybe you can wait till they release rc1 and it might fix the bugs
[11:51] <kkathman> you've already installed it?
[11:52] <_jaypee> yes onur has installed it, i tried it too
[11:52] <kkathman> yer stuck then, its very difficult to uninstall...not a simple process :(
[11:52] <kkathman> uninstalling can be worse lol
[11:52] <zerotime> please, can someone tellme how to enable multinverse? if I enable them, and do an apt-get update I get errors 404
[11:52] <zerotime> please, help
[11:52] <onur> ok i can get through  a reinstall of kubuntu
[11:52] <_jaypee> zerotime
[11:52] <onur> takes 30 minutes or so
[11:52] <zerotime> yes jaypee
[11:52] <kkathman> !tell zerotime about repos
[11:52] <_jaypee> make sure its multiverse not multinverse
[11:52] <frank23> zerotime: its multiverse right not multinverse
[11:52] <onur> thanks people
[11:53] <_jaypee> no problem onur, good luck
[11:53] <kkathman> zerotime: check the pm
[11:53] <zerotime> I know, I dont edit the line, I just uncomment it
[11:53] <onur> here one disk goes for  reformatting :)
[11:54] <_jaypee> zerotime: heres how my line looks deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted multiverse
[11:55] <_jaypee> zerotime did it work?
[11:56] <zerotime> thx
[11:56] <_jaypee> are you using hoary 5.04 or breezy 5.10?
[11:56] <zerotime> got it working now ubotu
[11:56] <_jaypee> glad you got it =)
[11:56] <treefrog> Hi all
[11:57] <zerotime> and jaypee thx too
[11:57] <_jaypee> hi
[11:57] <kkathman> hey treefrog :)
[11:57] <treefrog> whats the topick of the moment??
[11:57] <kkathman> hmm.. not much of any topic really
[11:57] <_jaypee> lol
[11:58] <_jaypee> anyone use opensuse?
[11:58] <_jaypee> i converted from suse to kubuntu
[11:58] <treefrog> what about java.. simple stuff. how to set it up. Y is it not in Adept .??
[11:58] <kkathman> treefrog: same stories...people having probs with beta2 and the like
[11:58] <kkathman> !tell treefrog about java
[11:58] <treefrog> ya that is where I am.. Got Amarok going to I can breath
[11:58] <kkathman> chek the pm
[12:00] <treefrog_> thanks
[12:00] <treefrog_> can one of you register me so I can PM?
[12:00] <treefrog_> is that how it works??
[12:01] <zerotime> how can I enable ntfs support in kubuntu 5.10?
[12:01] <treefrog_> Oh I like that one
[12:01] <treefrog_> go to system settings
[12:01] <treefrog_> open disk and file systems
[12:02] <treefrog_> click on administrator mode
[12:02] <zerotime> yeah and
[12:02] <treefrog_> enter pass and select the partition you want to set up.


[15:48] <stgraber> highvoltage: hey, got time for the release this week
[15:48] <stgraber> ?
[16:53] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'll have to have, I guess :)
[17:03] <stgraber> damnit, ltsp live is broken again...
[17:04] <stgraber> oh, I see why at least
[19:23] <stgraber> highvoltage: next Edubuntu build should be a good release candidate
[19:23] <stgraber> those two uploads fixed all the bugs I found this morning
[19:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok cool, will sync and then test in the morning
[19:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok, I'll be out tonight but hopefully I can do a quick smoke test before then
[19:43] <highvoltage> stgraber: maybe my morning will start before you're back :)


[05:55] <kingkarlos> Evening people. Anybody had experience in using changing a GTK2 theme to use symbolic colors? eg '@bg_color' and 'shade(0.9, @fg_color)'


[19:02] <Pici> rebooting ubottu & friends
[19:26] <tomreyn> i know this is the wrong channel for this, but the right people are not on the right channel (#ubuntu-bots), so i'll point it out here:
[19:26] <tomreyn> ubottu + ubot* seem to have vanished
[21:03] <Unit193> Pici: I don't think the reboot went well?
[21:37] <tomreyn> the system is back, just the bots are not.
[21:39] <Unit193> So I had noticed.


 Sigh
 What?
[00:08] <wxl> i don't adore this thing :)
 Then just carve it out and replace it with KDE's. I don't care. :P
[00:09] <wxl> yeah well maybe when i have time
 If you need me to install a library, let me know and I can SSH on there and install whatever you need
 Alright well when you can
 But don't complain if you don't have the time ;)
[03:46] <tsimonq2> test
 Yay
[03:46] <tsimonq2> One more test here...
 .
[03:46] <tsimonq2> Alright, cool, works a planned
[03:47] <wxl> what did you do now?
[03:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: Setting up this tmux cron thing
[03:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: Alright, could you please log on to my VPS and check that my crontab syntax is right?
[03:50] <tsimonq2> Otherwise I'm good \o/
[03:50] <Unit193> oh dear...  Sounds like someone needs @reboot or a systemd unit instead.
[03:51] <wxl> we have a @reboot. that's what he's checking
[03:51] <Unit193> Ah.
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Yeo :P
[03:52] <tsimonq2> *Yep
[03:52] <wxl> you really want to check every minute? XD
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Unit193: A reboot and an hourly
[03:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: Uh what no?
[03:52] <tsimonq2> That isn't minutely is it?
[03:52] <wxl> 0 */1
[03:52] <tsimonq2> That will become so annoying if it breaks..
[03:52] <wxl> you tell me
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Ugh
[03:52] <tsimonq2> Please fix to hourly
[03:53] <tsimonq2> Or whatever time you want :P
[03:53] <wxl> you know there's an @hourly :)
[03:53] <wxl> a systemd unit would be much better
[03:53] <wxl> some of us are
[03:54] <wxl> some others of us needed to be taught about @reboot :)
[03:54] <wxl> oh for GOD'S SAKE
[03:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: Wait WHAT? @hourly is a thing?!?!?!?!?!
[03:54] <tsimonq2> WOw.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> *Wow.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> Jeez.
[03:54] <wxl> yep
[03:55] <tsimonq2> And be quiet about systemd :P
[03:55] <wxl> also one thing about cron: don't assume your path
[03:55] <wxl> it may work, but it might not
[03:55] <tsimonq2> Ok
[03:56] <wxl> so you gonna fix this?
[03:57] <tsimonq2> I thought you might
[03:57] <tsimonq2> Need me to?
[03:57] <tsimonq2> I mean, I don't know how to fix it
[03:57] <wxl> i'm trying to see if your tmux syntax is right cuz i'm not sure
[03:57] <wxl> you sure about it?
[03:58] <tsimonq2> I'm pretty sure, it looks right to me.
[03:59] <wxl> wait
[03:59] <wxl> that makes a new SESSION
[03:59] <tsimonq2> And?
[03:59] <wxl> if matterbridge dies, tmux will still be running
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Nope
[03:59] <wxl> oh well i guess that's not the goal
[03:59] <tsimonq2> I checked
[03:59] <wxl> nevermind
[04:00] <wxl> cuz it's just on boot anyways
[04:00] <tsimonq2> When matterbridge dies, so does tmux
[04:00] <wxl> well i'm gonna have to say no there but ok :)
[04:01] <tsimonq2> wxl: Why no?
[04:02] <wxl> i guess you're right
[04:02] <wxl> weird
[04:02] <tsimonq2> Ok
[04:05] <tsimonq2> wxl: I need sleep. You have all the access you need if you ever need to do anything. Good night! o/
[04:05] <wxl> k nite and thx. lubot should have an official ubuntu/bot cloak by the time you wake up
[04:05] <wxl> if Unit193 does his JOB
[04:05] <tsimonq2> Yay thanks nini
[04:05] <tsimonq2> lol
[21:43] <wxl> fyi lubot, our telegram/irc bridge is now officially on the wiki for bots and has an ubuntu/bot cloak here :)
[21:46] <krytarik> lubotomy! :P
[21:47] <wxl> krytarik: hopefully with the changes tsimonq2 made to cron, we shouldn't be having those anymore :)
[21:58] <wxl> @tsimonq2: we should make the telegram channel public. you should then make me an admin. one nice thing about that is a username link (telegram.me/whatever). if that goes well on -devel, i vote we maybe even think about pushing it to #lubuntu proper
[21:58] <meetingology> wxl: Error: "tsimonq2:" is not a valid command.
[22:03] <krytarik> wxl: Stop messing with meetingology!
 @krytarik: no!
[22:04] <krytarik> No U!
 Aw man i forget that doesn't work from here
[22:04] <krytarik> Hah.
[22:09] <wxl> then we can blog about it @tsimonq2


[13:33] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: hello, im letting you know bug #1813262 seems to be fixed on my 20.04 daily now
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/uSDUPuY
[13:35] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Good, thanks for letting me know. Closing the bug then.
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> thank you!
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: i filed it originaly on bionic, will that also be pushed?
[13:40] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Ah, my mistake. Bionic will be updated at next 18.04 translation update, provided that some member i the Dutch translators team tests and confirmed the updated language packs. You may want to subscribe to <https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators> to be notified about next call for testing.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> no worries, its good that 20.04 will include it now