[09:13] <Saviq> greyback_, "why not" what?
[11:28] <tsdgeos> Mirv: fix for the u1-dbqt FTBFS at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/1447182
[11:28] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1447182 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "u1db-qt FTBFS with Qt 5.5" [High,New]
[11:31] <Mirv> tsdgeos: wowee, thanks! just uploaded my newest qtbase 5.5.1 build 40 mins ago but I'll rebuild it later
[11:32] <Mirv> tsdgeos: and thanks for the rush of other fixes/investigations too!
[11:32] <tsdgeos> Mirv: unfortunately that patch won't be in 5.5.1 so you'll have to distropatch it
[11:32] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'm not surprised by it not traveling through the time to yesterday :)
[11:32] <tsdgeos> ;)
[11:33] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I've other post-5.5.1 patches too already
[11:34] <Mirv> tsdgeos: 5.5.1 will change networking in the way the may pose problems for us. I've experimented backporting fixes to our vivid image at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-032/+packages and using those weather app claims to have no network. I'm not sure if the fixes increased the need to use apparmor blocked functions.
[11:34] <tsdgeos> :/
[11:34] <Mirv> since the upstream patches (one of which got in post-5.5.1) fix the qnam hang and accessible() function bug #1470700
[11:34] <ubot5`> bug 1470700 in thumbnailer (Ubuntu) "QNetworkAccessManager hangs when in flight mode" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470700
[11:35] <Mirv> tsdgeos: but I may ask for your ponderings once I've 5.5.1 ready, if it still shows the same problem. it might be weather app doing something really wrong too, since no other app had any network problems.
[11:36] <tsdgeos> sure
[12:15] <dandrader> didn't you have a branch for usc to solve (or work around) its window positioning issues in  multimonitor?
[12:15] <dandrader> greyback_, ^
[12:17] <pstolowski> Saviq, mzanetti hey, i'm going to mark silo 4 for landing, it's been delayed for months but finally works!
[12:17] <pstolowski> Saviq, mzanetti nb, i've rebuilt it this morning
[12:18] <greyback_> dandrader: I did have something a long time ago, but was more to rotate the display than anything else
[12:19] <greyback_> dandrader: I've logged https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1506846
[12:19] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1506846 in Unity System Compositor "[multimonitor] nested server surface positioning incorrect" [Undecided,New]
[12:19] <dandrader> greyback_, it was adding a side-by-side parameter to the command line...
[12:19] <greyback_> dandrader: that doesn't fix it completely though
[12:22] <dandrader> Saviq, greyback_, I'm a bit puzzled about the landing strategy. I thought we were going to land multimonitor knowing it had some issues as a way of moving foward and that mir folks have something ready in the images to debug. as opposed to land only once it's in good shape (which can take too long). specially considering that since there's no multimonitor  support yet, we wouldn't be regressing anything
[12:24] <dandrader> Saviq, greyback_or is it that we want to be sure that all the existing issues in multimonitor are not on our side before landing?
[12:27] <pstolowski> Saviq, mzanetti let me know if i should wait for something else
[13:32] <Saviq> pstolowski, if you have it tested, kick it, we have silo 22 in the works, but not gonna be ready with it today
[13:32] <Saviq> dandrader, I would like to at least have an idea of what's wrong when we have a clearly reproducible issue
[13:41] <ltinkl> dandrader, what do you think of this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12798836/
[13:42] <dandrader> ltinkl, they're not the same
[13:43] <dandrader> ltinkl, ScreenController::getWindowForPoint checks the screen geometry, not the window geometry
[13:43] <dandrader> ltinkl, which is what I guess the QGuiApplication method does
[13:43] <ltinkl> dandrader, a sec
[13:43] <dandrader> ltinkl, because in mir the displays live in the same coordinate system
[13:44] <dandrader> ltinkl, like in a big virtual desktop
[13:44] <ltinkl> dandrader, http://code.woboq.org/qt5/qtbase/src/gui/kernel/qguiapplication.cpp.html#_ZN15QGuiApplication10topLevelAtERK6QPoint
[13:44] <dandrader> ltinkl, and qtmir puts the screens one next to the other
[13:44] <ltinkl> dandrader, I think it does the same
[13:45] <dandrader> ltinkl, see tileddisplayconfigurationpolicy.cpp
[13:45] <dandrader> ltinkl, well, if it does the same then I guess it's fine
[13:45] <ltinkl> dandrader, well just look at the Qt code
[13:45] <ltinkl> dandrader, I think it does roughly the same, but you're the expert ;)
[13:46] <dandrader> ltinkl, almost the same
[13:46] <dandrader> ltinkl, it also calls QPlatformScreen::topLevelAt
[13:47] <ltinkl> dandrader, but the old code didn't
[13:47] <ltinkl> dandrader, plus it checks if the window  is visible
[13:47] <dandrader> ltinkl, and I'm not even sure if the original code is totally correct
[13:48] <ltinkl> dandrader, it doesn't (didn't) take QGuiApplication::topLevelWindows() into account, or is there always only one toplevel?
[13:49] <dandrader> ltinkl, touch input comes from the builtin display. doesn't make sense trying to match it with the external one
[13:49] <dandrader> ltinkl, and I've no idea what would happen if you connect an eternal monitor that also has a touchscreen (not even sure how that works, the monitor would send the touch input through usb?)
[13:49] <ltinkl> dandrader, unless it's also a touch display... but meh
[13:50] <ltinkl> dandrader, ye not sure either :)
[13:50] <dandrader> ltinkl, and if mir would map the touch coords into this big virtual desktop space or not
[13:50] <dandrader> ltinkl, I say most probably not...
[13:51] <dandrader> ltinkl, so for now I think the sane thing to do is to simply send touch input to the built-in display and be done with it. writing a big TODO on top explainint the above scenario
[13:51] <ltinkl> dandrader, right, so for touch this is probably ok; I was more curious about my wheel events, there using it is likely not correct
[13:52] <ltinkl> dandrader, I should probably be using qGuiApp->topLevelAt()
[13:52] <dandrader> ltinkl, for mouse events you send to the window that the cursor
[13:52] <ltinkl> dandrader, since you can send wheel event to non-focused (partially) covered windows
[13:52] <ltinkl> dandrader, click yes, wheel not
[13:54]  * ltinkl bbl, need to pick kids from school, wife not feeling well
[13:57] <dandrader> ltinkl, are you talking about qtmir windows (shell windows) or client/application windows inside DesktopStage.qml?
[14:51] <Saviq> dednick, didn't we make prompts persistent? bug #1358225
[14:51] <ubot5`> bug 1358225 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Locking+unlocking phone mysteriously dismisses location access prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358225
[14:51] <dednick> Saviq: pretty sure we did
[14:51] <ltinkl> dandrader, client windows inside shell
[14:52] <dednick> Saviq: although, perhaps they are stopped due to the suspension of the app.
[14:53] <dandrader> ltinkl, in which case you shouldn't be looking at qtmir code at all
[14:54] <Saviq> dednick, but only the app is SIGSTOP'ed, not the prompt
[14:54] <dednick> Saviq: the prompts are notified of their suspension
[14:55] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, and the helper needs to decide what tod o
[14:55] <Saviq> we don't close them
[14:55] <dednick> Saviq: no, unless something is going wrong
[14:55] <Saviq> dednick, I can't reproduce it anyway
[14:56] <Saviq> ah
[14:56] <Saviq> Ubuntu 14.10 r197
[14:56] <dednick> Saviq: ah
[14:56] <Saviq> Bug #1358225 reported by Matthew Paul Thomas on 2014-08-18
[14:56] <ubot5`> bug 1358225 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Locking+unlocking phone mysteriously dismisses location access prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358225
[14:56] <dednick> yeah..
[14:56] <Saviq> → Fix released
[14:56] <dednick> \o/
[14:56] <ltinkl> dandrader, ye, I'm looking at unity8
[14:57] <dandrader> Saviq, greyback_, pushed the fix for the shell with outdated size
[14:57] <Saviq> dandrader, ack
[14:57] <Saviq> pstolowski, so what's the deal with silo 4? if you don't land it today, I'm putting a lock on unity{8,-api} landings :P
[14:58] <pstolowski> Saviq, i cannot mark it qa ready for some reason, bileto doesn't like me
[14:58] <dandrader> ltinkl, so the wheel event should go to whatever MirSurfaceItem has active focus (if any)
[14:58] <Saviq> pstolowski, done
[14:58] <dandrader> ltinkl, like any other mouse or key event
[14:58] <pstolowski> huh?
[14:58] <pstolowski> just like that? :O
[14:59] <ltinkl> dandrader, I don't think so... it's not what happens on X/u7 or wayland (unless we want to differ)
[14:59] <Saviq> dandrader, no, wheel event goes to whatever surface is under the cursor
[14:59] <ltinkl> exactly
[14:59] <pstolowski> Saviq, thanks!
[14:59] <Saviq> same as any other event
[14:59]  * dandrader checks
[14:59] <dandrader> ltinkl, Saviq, right
[15:00] <ltinkl> dandrader, only the key event should imo
[15:00] <Saviq> dandrader, windoze does that, and I hate its guts for it
[15:00] <dandrader> ltinkl, and QQuickWindow doesn't handle wheel events like that?
[15:00] <dandrader> ltinkl, s/handle/dispathces
[15:00] <Saviq> I'M POINTING AT THE THING I WANT TO INTERACT WITH, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING!?
[15:00] <ltinkl> :)
[15:00] <ltinkl> dandrader, what do you mean?
[15:01] <ltinkl> dandrader, at the moment, it does the right thing if you click inside a window (to activate it)
[15:01] <dandrader> ltinkl, because QQuickWindow is the one dispatching input (mouse, touch) events to items in the qml scene. so if the qml item under the mouse is not the one getting wheel events it's QQuickWindow's fault
[15:01] <ltinkl> dandrader, then it works also for non-focused windows (weird...)
[15:02] <Saviq> pstolowski, yeah, but try and find out with robru why it didn't work for you
[15:02] <dandrader> ltinkl, unless our unfocused windows are disabled
[15:02] <ltinkl> dandrader, disabled as in?
[15:03] <dandrader> ltinkl, QQuickItem.enabled = false
[15:03] <ltinkl> dandrader, hmm ye
[15:03] <pstolowski> Saviq, yeah i did that
[15:03] <ltinkl> dandrader, so in a desktop scenario, any non-focused window is disabled?
[15:04]  * Saviq says occlusion-driven
[15:04] <dandrader> ltinkl, I don't know. I was just hypothesizing
[15:04] <Saviq> if you can't see the window, you don't interact with it
[15:04] <ltinkl> Saviq, partially hidden
[15:04] <ltinkl> Saviq, behind the focused one
[15:04] <Saviq> ltinkl, you can see it then
[15:04] <ltinkl> well, we have a _lot_ of focus related issues
[15:05] <Saviq> sure, dednick's working on part of that (occlusion-based)
[15:05] <ltinkl> click the window decoration -> the window isn't activated, no focus
[15:05] <ltinkl> restore the window from minimization, it's raised but doesn't get focus
[15:06] <ltinkl> strangely, the only thing that works reliably is the spread (or alt+tab)
[15:13] <Saviq> ltinkl, you know the drill - file a bug, fix it, MP, I'll land it for you ;P
[15:13] <ltinkl> Saviq, ye ye :)
[15:50] <Saviq> greyback_, dandrader|afk, so do we need --display-config=sidebyside in the session after all?
[15:50] <greyback_> Saviq: I don't think so
[15:51] <greyback_> alan_g tells me we should get the behaviour we desire from usc by default
[15:51] <Saviq> ok /me drops, we can add with fix for u-s-c if needed
[15:51] <greyback_> yep
[15:51] <alan_g> USC defaults to sidebyside
[15:52] <alan_g> But (empirically) display-config options are not honoured on a replug
[15:53]  * alan_g is still investigating why lp:1506846
[15:55] <Saviq> ok /me rebuilds silo 22 for the last time
[15:55] <Saviq> dandrader|afk, greyback_, {do,can} we have a tag for multimon bugs?
[15:56] <greyback_> Saviq: there's this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bugs?field.tag=multimonitor
[15:57] <Saviq> greyback_, ack, please use it for any subsequent bugs you guys file
[15:57] <Saviq> dandrader, ↑
[15:58] <dandrader> ok
[15:59] <dandrader> greyback_, I think the resize issue was the only thing from my side. want/need help with something else?
[15:59] <Saviq> greyback_, uhm... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=multimonitor
[16:00] <greyback_> ah, it's quite a busy one already
[16:01] <greyback_> need a new tag so
[16:03] <Saviq> greyback_, yeah, otherwise we hunt for it between all the different projects
[16:36] <dandrader> Saviq, did you really have to merge unity8/liveCaption into unity8/externalMonitor? I wanted to have a branch depending on the latter
[16:38] <Saviq> dandrader, hum? I merged mousePointer, not liveCaption
[16:38] <Saviq> dandrader, needed it because there was a conflict further up the chain
[16:39] <Saviq> dandrader, and not sure what's the problem? can't you have a branch depending on externalMonitor?
[16:39] <dandrader> Saviq, that's not what history tells :)
[16:40] <dandrader> Saviq, because now a branch depending on externalMonitor  will also have to depend on all liveCaption branches
[16:40] <dandrader> Saviq, in qtubuntu and qtmir
[16:40] <dandrader> Saviq, and unity-api
[16:40] <Saviq> dandrader, but wait, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/externalMonitor/+merge/273829
[16:41] <Saviq> dandrader, unless I mixed the comment up
[16:42] <dandrader> Saviq, check it with "bzr qlog"
[16:42] <Saviq> yeah doing
[16:45] <Saviq> dandrader, so yeah, I messed something up, but you undid it?
[16:45] <dandrader> Saviq, I didn't
[16:45] <Saviq> so where's that commit in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/externalMonitor...
[16:46] <Saviq> ah now I see
[16:46] <Saviq> it hid under the merge
[16:47] <Saviq> dandrader, so yeah, sorry, I should've merged mousePointer instead
[16:48] <Saviq> must've thought liveCaption is between that and externalMonitor
[16:48] <dandrader> Saviq, is it even possible to undo it? guess only if you rewrite history
[16:48] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, uncommit, push --overwrite
[16:49] <Saviq> we'd need ltinkl to uncommit x2 and remerge/resolve conflict in rotateScreenshots
[16:49] <dandrader> Saviq, don't forget my commit is inbetween
[16:49] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah I know
[16:49] <Saviq> uncommit, shelve, uncommit, revert, unshelve, commit
[16:50] <Saviq> or the like
[16:50] <Saviq> ltinkl, you around?
[16:54] <Saviq> dandrader, ok, I'll fix externalMonitor and let ltinkl know what to do
[17:07] <Saviq> dandrader, overwrote externalMonitor
[17:07] <Saviq> dandrader, now I understand what tricked me
[17:07] <Saviq> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-022-1-build/200/console
[17:08] <Saviq> liveCaption was merged here before externalMonitor, so I thought that was the chain
[17:08] <dandrader> Saviq, ok, thanks
[17:08]  * greyback_ eow
[17:08] <Saviq> o/
[17:08] <greyback_> good weekend all
[17:13] <Saviq> dandrader, ok, all resolved
[17:13] <Saviq> ltinkl, sorry, made a small mess yesterday with the merges, have resubmitted rotateScreenshots under unity-team now: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/rotateScreenshots/+merge/274743
[17:14]  * Saviq feels like editing prerequisites shouldn't be a resubmission
[17:16] <Saviq> dandrader, ok, all resolved now, externalMonitor clear of deps
[17:17] <Saviq> and seems everything merges still
[17:22] <Guest52384> Saviq: silo 22 much better, on connect, i see what's expected now (on monitor) tried a few different ways (screen already on, connect then turn on etc)
[17:23] <Guest52384> but seeing consistent problem on disconnect
[17:23] <Saviq> look out @all, Guest52384 is kgunn hiding
[17:23] <Guest52384> oh, wow, didn't notice...weird
[17:24] <Saviq> Guest52384, yeah, that's a u-s-c spin most likely, Gerry's been looking for a traceback, not sure if filed a bug yet
[17:24] <Guest52384> Saviq: fwiw, it seems much better, unsure if you wanna land as is with known bug for disconnect....
[17:26] <Saviq> /nick kgunn
[17:26] <Saviq> please
[17:26] <Saviq> Guest52384, yeah, I wanna land, just not advertise it's done
[17:27] <Guest52384> Saviq: i did, but it's not even responding to /nick
[17:28] <kgunn> that fixed it
[17:28] <kgunn> at any rate +1 to landing
[17:32] <Saviq> kgunn, I only delayed because it got worse since before Mir 0.17
[17:33] <Saviq> and I had to fight with bluetooth
[17:36]  * kgunn agrees, it at least had to connect
[17:38] <Saviq> kgunn, well, fwiw we didn't do anything to address your issues :)
[17:54] <Saviq> o
[17:54] <Saviq> /


[14:33] <Trevinho> Hi, we've a problem when trying to run unity with upstart at session level.... The fact is that it doesn't, *weirdly* seem to inherit some env variables that are set when gnome-session launches the autostart programs (such as gnome-keyring-daemon)
[14:34] <Trevinho> Basically, what happens is that both unity and unity-settings-daemon are launched "on starting gnome-session", but once all it's loaded
[14:35] <Trevinho> if I open a terminal from unity, then these env variables are not set (env | grep key should show you the one I mean)
[14:35] <Trevinho> instead, if I do ctrl+alt+t (which causes unity to make unity-settings-daemon to open a terminal), then these are set correctly
[14:36] <Trevinho> And the werid thing is that both processess seems (after some debugging) to be launched just before gome-session... But unity doesn't get all the env varialbes it should
[14:37] <Trevinho> also, gnome session has a dbus call to set/unset env variables and I was wondering if I should bind these calls to set the envs also at upstart level, but they don't seem to be set globally... I mean, not in the terminals I have opened at least
[14:46] <jodh> Trevinho: have you compared 'env' with 'initctl list-env'? The session init will by default inherit all variables from the environment that started it and job will be given that environment, plus any variables set with 'initctl set-env key=value' so it may be you need to adjust the time particular jobs start to ensure that any 'initctl set-env's happen before gnome starts autostarting .desktop apps.
[14:49] <Trevinho> jodh: well I've tried to launch unity after that gnome-session has set these variables, but then at that point these variables are not set at all (while if I make it launch before they only are set "partially")...
[14:50] <Trevinho> jodh: but still I'm wondering why a process that starts before it (unity-settings-daemon) will inherit it, while unity doesn't
[14:52] <jodh> Trevinho: I'm confused. Are you saying gnome-session.conf is calling 'initctl set-env'? If it is, does 'initctl list-env' from any terminal show that the vars were set? Might be easier if you raise a bug with just the basic issue as I'm getting confused by all the unity and gnome stuff I'm afraid :-
[14:53] <Trevinho> jodh: no, gnome-session is not calling that.... Gnome-session runs some autostart scripts that then set env variables
[14:53] <jodh> Trevinho: how are they setting env vars exactly?
[14:55] <Trevinho> jodh: I've not checked the internals yet, but there's a gnome-session dbus call for doing that, and I guess that when it's done, gnome-session sets these envs at its level, at that point all the apps it has launched will use them
[14:55] <Trevinho> jodh: btw explaing this is probablty harder than seeing it.
[14:55] <Trevinho> jodh: you can easily test this by:
[14:55] <Trevinho>  sudo sed "s/compiz;//" -i /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session
[14:55] <Trevinho> jodh: then if you reload your unity session, you will see that if you use ctrl+alt+t launches a terminal with different env than if you run it from unity launcher/dash
[14:56] <jodh> Trevinho: I'm struggling to see how this is an upstart issue if gnome-session's autostarted apps are making env setting dbus calls on gnome-session?
[14:58] <Trevinho> jodh: I'm not saying it's an upstart issue :), I'm just wondering how I can fix this, since we'd like to use upstart to launch unity for multple reasons, but currently we can't do it as it would break the gnome-keyring-daemon env vars
[14:59] <jodh> Trevinho: might be a question for the desktop team then as they understand the gnome stack more than I do :) How about raising a bug and assigning to upstart + gnome for discussion?
[15:00] <Trevinho> jodh: ok
[15:00] <xnox> Trevinho: with unity, I thought "unity-session" is supposed to be used, not gnome-session.
[15:01] <xnox> Trevinho: also we are working on a fix to get gnome-keyring agents to be spawned correct under upstart and have their environmental variables available everywhere.
[15:01] <Trevinho> xnox: no, we use gnome-session with a unity profile
[15:01] <jodh> Trevinho: I really think this discussion should be on #ubuntu-desktop.
[15:01] <Trevinho> jodh: ok
[21:02] <jose> hey, everyone! I'm doing 'setuid username' (with a valid username on the system) for an upstart job and it says '/proc/self/fd/9: 2: /proc/self/fd/9: setuid: not found'
[21:02] <jose> any idea on what may be happening?
[21:08] <jose> found the error, thanks!


[03:26] <eamon> Hello, I'm banned from #ubuntu due to a host ban, I was wondering, is there a functional perl install on the uibuntu live CD?
[03:28] <IdleOne> eamon: it appears you were banned for using inappropriate language
[03:28] <IdleOne> Ubuntu IRC channels have guidelines we ask all user to follow. Please have a look at them.
[03:29] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[03:30] <eamon> IdleOne: do you know about ubuntu?
[03:30] <IdleOne> I do
[03:30] <IdleOne> but I don't see how that is relevant to your ban
[03:31] <IdleOne> this channel is not for technical support questions
[03:31] <IdleOne> if you are looking for support I suggest trying the ubuntu forums or askubuntu.com
[03:31] <IdleOne> if you would like to resolve the ban in #ubuntu I need you to read the guidelines and agree to follow them
[03:33] <IdleOne> Let me know what you decide
[03:37] <IdleOne> eamon: if you aren't interested in resolving the ban in #ubuntu please don't idle in here.
[03:38] <eamon> IdleOne: I'm in the process of resolving the ban
[03:38] <eamon> Thank you for trying to help, I got the answer somewhere else
[03:38] <eamon> good day
[03:38] <IdleOne> same to you
[04:18] <Corey> Here's an interesting one.  I've got a crappy netbook I intend to take through customs, and want to install UNR with full-disk encryption.  If I use the alternate installer, what's the netbook meta-package called?
[04:19] <IdleOne> ubuntu-netbook
[04:39] <Corey> IdleOne: That... makes a lot of sense.  Thanks. :-)
[06:00] <Paddy_NI> I have signed the ubuntu code of conduct on launchpad quite a while ago and I am trying to find a way to revoke it, does anyone know how I can do this?
[06:02]  * rww is bored, takes a look
[06:03] <Paddy_NI> cheers rww
[06:03] <rww> Paddy_NI: log in, click the 'Yes' part on your profile page, click the checkbox by the relevant entry on the page that comes up, click Deactivate
[06:03] <Paddy_NI> heh.. cool
[06:13] <Paddy_NI> Hey cheers rww, that was simple... and you get a nice clean confirmation email
[06:14] <rww> no problem
[06:53] <rww> I really don't like telling people to use Google, but bullgard4...
[06:53] <Tm_T> channel?
[06:54] <rww> #ubuntu+1. He drops by various places a few times a day and asks basic questions that make me want to poke him with a search engine :(
[06:55] <rww> ("basic" in that the first handful of results on the Google for the thing he's asking about answer the question)
[08:09] <rww> Something inside me twitches whenever two of the set of people in #ubuntu-offtopic that don't make sense start talking to each other :(
[08:09] <hypatia> rww: +1
[08:20] <bazhang> JigJigJigs seems to be that gnaa character
[08:24] <bazhang> whoops sorry
[08:24] <Tm_T> I don't care to give them even a chance to get banned
[08:25] <Tm_T> banned/automatically K-lined
[08:25] <hypatia> thanks, Tm_T
[08:25] <Tm_T> np
[08:26] <Tm_T> at once I wasn't way too slow to be able to do anything
 Any one know Amaranth
[08:26] <bazhang> ?
[08:27] <Tm_T> ye, wondering what they is after too
[08:27] <Jordan_U> I think Amaranth helped them before.
[08:28] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: Even when you're using singular 'they' to be gender neutral you should use plural 'are' rather that 'is' </pedantic>
[08:29] <bazhang> claims to know him personally, so not a support issue
[08:29] <Jordan_U> And of course I managed to have a mistake in that sentence :)
[08:29] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: ah, good to know, was having a conflict inside me
[08:42] <dpm> hi Pici, or someone else, I've been told that you've got a set of scripts to process IRC logs. Could you show me where they are and how to use them? I'm simply trying to find out the number of attendees to Ubuntu App Developer Week in #ubuntu-classroom
[09:23] <topyli> dpm: you might mean munin. it creates something like this: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccountall/_ubuntu_offtopic.html
[09:24] <gnomefreak> google
[09:25] <gnomefreak> ok that is really odd. i typed google into browser but it showed up here :(
[09:26] <Tm_T> focus?
[09:27] <jussi> dpm: and you can get munin here: http://munin-monitoring.org/ :)
[09:31] <dpm> topyli, jussi, any tips on how to use it to simply get the number of attendees in a given channel? If you've got any hints that will save me from going through the sources at http://munin-monitoring.org/browser/trunk to understand how it all works
[09:31] <topyli> not me, i have never played with it
[09:32] <Amaranth> bazhang: I used to work with him
[09:34] <jussi> nor I
[09:37] <dpm> ok, I'll have a look. Thanks!
[09:57] <dpm> hm, to use munin I need to have a running apache server and all that. topyli, do you know who maintains the http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccountall/index.html page? Would it be possible to simply add #ubuntu-classroom to the list of monitored IRC channels?
[09:57] <topyli> isn't that Pici's site? :)
[09:58] <Tm_T> is
[09:58] <Tm_T> dpm: http://nullcortex.com/2010/11/munin-irc-trends/
[10:02] <dpm> thanks topyli and Tm_T
[10:02] <dpm> Pici, when you're around and if you've got a minute, do you think you could give me a hand with this? ^^
[12:56] <Pici> I thought I had read that firestarter was being deprecated, anyone happen to remember anything like that?
[12:58] <jrib> Pici: I also recall something similar.  Is it being developed anymore?
[13:00] <Pici> jrib: Doesn't look like it. Its at 1.0.3 in every supported release we have, as well as all the debian releases.
[13:00] <Pici> Also, looks like fedora, mandriva, and gentoo have removed it.
[13:01] <LjL> these GUI interfaces to lower level stuff always keep appearing and disappearing like mushroom :\
[13:02] <jussi> !info gufw
[13:02] <jussi> was the replacement, no?
[13:03] <jussi> I dont remember...
[13:03] <LjL> no clue
[13:03] <Pici> Yes.
[13:04] <Pici> It looks like (g)ufw is in all of our releases except dapper, and desktop has already EOLed.
[14:01] <Tm_T> Firestarter hasn't been maintained since January 2005?
[14:01] <Tm_T> s/maintained/developed/
[14:02] <ikonia> good, I hate it
[14:02] <ikonia> lets drop it
[14:03] <Tm_T> if there's maintained replacement with mostly similar functionality, then yes please
[14:03] <Pici> !search firestarter
[14:03] <Pici> !ics
[14:03] <popey> firestarter works well for that specific use case
[14:03] <popey> of connection sharing
[14:04] <Tm_T> my point, actually (:
[14:04] <popey> (I used it at UDS once to share my wifi connection to someone else over crossover cable because his wifi card had blown)
[14:04] <topyli> it's the only reason why a normal person would want a "firewall" anyway :)
[14:04] <Tm_T> never really used it to much of anything else but that and monitoring network connections
[14:05] <Pici> Is Gaurddog still around?
[14:05] <jussi> I think kde just got that functionality built into its network manager
[14:05] <jussi> Pici: yes
[14:06] <jussi> !info guarddog
[14:06] <Tm_T> still around, but is it actively developed?
[14:06] <Pici> !firewall =~ s#Firestarter/##
[14:07] <jussi> !info guarddog natty
[14:07] <jussi> hehe
[14:07] <Pici> jussi: firestarter is still in natty, its just the same version that was in dapper :/
[14:07] <jussi> looks like it might have died...
[14:07] <jussi> or changed name
[14:29] <Pici> errr
[14:36] <root___> Hello, I need to speak to Tm_T, (s)he asked me to come here today
[14:47] <dpm> hi Pici, not sure if you saw the question earlier on. Would it be possible to add #ubuntu-classroom to the list of monitored channels on http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccountall/index.html? Id like to show how many participants are in there during our Ubuntu*Weeks
[14:48] <Pici> dpm: I didn't, but I can easily do that.
[14:48] <Pici> root___: Tm_T was active earlier, just wait a bit for them to notice your request.
[14:54] <root___> Pici: Is Tm_T a group of people?
[14:56] <dpm> Pici, that'd be awesome, thanks!
[14:58] <topyli> Tm_T is legion
[15:17] <ikonia> eamon: taking offtopic questions to other ubuntu channels is not acceptable
[15:17] <ikonia> you're banned from ubuntu - that doesn't mean take general ubuntu support issues to specialst ubuntu channels such as #ubuntu-kernel
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Anyone watching #ubuntu+1? Guest70768 is a bit disruptive
[15:20] <ikonia> I'll keep an eye out
[15:20] <Pici> There too?
[15:20] <ikonia> eamon: if you'd like to resolve your ban, we can attempt to do that now
[15:21] <Pici> He has been doing the same thing in #ubuntu
[15:21] <Pici> After multiple requests to stop.
[15:21] <Pici> Bonus: Hes also LarsTorBen
[15:21] <ikonia> ooh, that guy
[15:21] <IdleOne> he is?
[15:22] <ikonia> can we remove eamon if he's not going to respond so that Guest can be sorted
[15:22] <Pici> Lars_G: Hi.
[15:22] <Lars_G> Pici: Greetings.
[15:23] <Lars_G> Pici: I wanted to see the general proceedings of the channel, it seems it's not welcome though
[15:24] <Pici> Too many Larses
[15:24] <Pici> Would anyone else care to take care of the real lars? I really need to do some work (and not get distracted by IRC).
[15:24] <ikonia> I'll sort it
[15:24] <ikonia> I'm taking a break at the moment
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Well, anyway, you know the guest I wanted stopped
[15:25] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: don't you have +o in +1?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> no
[15:25] <IdleOne> why not!?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I am only an op in Xubuntu channels
[16:28] <IdleOne> y essy no ident
[16:28] <rww> popey: Network Manager can do ICS just fine, in my experience ;P
[16:28] <popey> how?
[16:29] <IdleOne> !ics
[16:29] <rww> first section of the link in the factoid.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetConnectionSharing
[16:30] <popey> that looks horrid
[16:31] <rww> It's like five clicks. Way easier than installing and using firestarter.
[16:31] <popey> firestarter has a really nice wizard to do this. that nm guide is a jumble of steps
[16:31] <popey> nice of them to put "before you start" at the end of the guide. good touch
[16:31] <rww> !itsawiki
[16:31] <rww> I would, but I'm at work >.>
[16:32] <popey> i wont because I've never done it
[16:32] <rww> could do with some screenshots and all that jazz anyway (and testing for 11.04 compliance). I'll do it when I get home.
[17:47] <popey> btw rww I have a T-shirt with "It *is* a wiki!" on :D
[17:51] <jussi> test
[17:51] <jussi> o/
[17:52] <jussi> quassel on android <3
[17:53]  * genii-around slides jussi a coffee
[17:53] <maco> ooh neat
[17:53] <jussi> thanks genii
[17:53]  * maco ponders android again
[17:54] <jussi> maco, its hardly feature complete, but it works.
[17:54] <jussi> (mostly)
[17:55] <genii-around> On my phone I'm using yaaic for IRC but now I'm tempted to switch :)
[17:55] <jussi> genii, quasseldroid. its only for those with cores though
[17:56] <jussi> maco, its really nice to have Qt on android :)
[18:24] <jpds> Ah, whoops, didn't see jrib there.
[18:24] <jrib> hmm, seemed like he had a question
[18:55] <jpds> ubottu: tell Arash_ about yourself
[20:33] <keyUp> hello, Just to ask when will I get unbanned form #ubuntu I have one problem and I need little support, I have been banned for few days
[20:35] <jrib> ikonia: around?
[20:39] <LjL> oh no, it's logan coming to delete my factoids :(
[20:39] <Logan_> lmao
[20:39]  * Logan_ is here to fix an obnoxiously wrong comma before a not-coordinating conjunction :P
[20:41] <LjL> !downgrade
[20:41]  * LjL has seen worse
[20:42] <Logan_> lol
[20:43]  * Logan_ pokes rww
[20:43]  * Logan_ also pokes IdleOne
[20:43] <LjL> arrwawah, come here and be a good grandma fixer
[20:43] <Logan_> :P
[20:44] <jussi> !downgrade =~ s/supported, and/supported and/
[20:44] <jussi> ;)
[20:44] <Logan_> gracias jussi
[20:45] <jussi> Logan_: feel free to go fix all the rest of the factoids if you so desire :P
[20:45] <Logan_> believe me, LjL can confirm that I've already been doing that :P
[20:47] <LjL> jussi: likes, he's just deleted all my pearls of wisdom :(
[20:47] <LjL> lies, even
[20:47] <keyUp> hello, Just to ask when will I get unbanned form #ubuntu I have one problem and I need little support, I have been banned for few days
[20:47] <LjL> yes keyUp i think you should probably wait until ikonia is around as i believe it was his ban
[20:48] <LjL> honestly though, i think i can say it would help if you didn't change nicks all the time
[20:48] <jussi> Ill take a look at the ban
[20:50] <jussi> Hrm, the logs on this arent very helpful, same with the commnets. I think ikonia had best deal with it, as he has the knowledge about it.
[20:50] <keyUp> i don't believe he/she will unban me :)
[20:51] <keyUp> he/she banned me because I argued with him/her
[20:51] <rww> As I understand it, this is not an accurate view of the situation, as other ops have mentioned.
[20:52] <Logan_> hey rww :)
[20:52] <jussi> keyUp: if you show the correct attitude now, I think you will be fine - ikonia is usually fair, but it is really up to your attitude and honesty.
[20:52] <keyUp> so what should I do now wait for ikonia here or ? I have pm him no reply
[20:52] <keyUp> he hate me for real :)
[20:52] <rww> hi Logan_ :)
[20:52] <LjL> keyUp, i'm sure he's just not around
[20:52] <Pici> jussi: I'm a bit familiar with the situation.
[20:53] <jussi> Pici: feel free to deal with it :)
[20:54] <Pici> keyUp: It looks like we have multiple bans here for you.  According to my logs, we've seen you as dejan, Keyup, goliath, codex, and a few others... does that sound right?
[20:56] <keyUp> I used few nicknames, I am sure that is not forbiden no?
[20:56] <LjL> keyUp: it's not forbidden but it doesn't speak in your favor when you're banned, because it makes us strongly suspect you're either trying to evade or confuse things
[20:56] <Pici> keyUp: Not strictly, but it seems that you were using different nicks to get past some of the bans that were placed.
[20:57] <keyUp> I had argued with ikonia I got eited hit enter much often and flooded #ubuntu channel because I was typing fast I havent read what ikonia said to stop it so i got banned, that is what is this ban for i think
[20:57] <keyUp> Pici, that wasn't my intenion of course, i don't elieve you ban people by nick no?
[20:57] <keyUp> believe*
[20:58] <rww> You weren't typing particularly quickly. You were abusing your enter key. One of our channel bots notes that they warned you about it *eight times*
[20:58] <keyUp> :)
[20:58] <keyUp> it's my style
[20:58] <keyUp> ..
[20:58] <keyUp> I will try to improve it..
[20:58] <Pici> keyUp: Its against the channel rules.
[20:59] <keyUp> it is ok if I am banned for more time I will try to improve my typing style and listen a bit more..
[20:59] <keyUp> :)
[20:59] <Pici> keyUp: I'm sorry if I'm going all over the place with this, but there is a lot of stuff here.
[21:00] <Pici> keyUp: It also looks like you stopped by #ubuntu-ops about 3 days ago and claimed that you've never been in #ubuntu
[21:00] <keyUp> honestly I am using more nicks because there are some people I am not sure officials or not but I am sure kids that say some not really nice words to me because I am beginner to linux and in past month or so I asked really a lot of questions on the channel
[21:00] <keyUp> so when they see my nick they make fun of me which i dont like :@
[21:01] <keyUp> this is my brother computer it has different IP
[21:01] <keyUp> I used few times when I got banned honestly
[21:01] <keyUp> :|
[21:01] <keyUp> my brother wanted to use support so unban him at least I am banned on 2 IPs I believe because of the same nick
[21:01] <keyUp> same reason* sorry
[21:02] <keyUp> I will ot use his PC anymore just mine
[21:02] <keyUp> not*
[21:02] <Pici> keyUp: Because you have done things that warrant being banned on both IPs.
[21:02] <keyUp> he installed ubuntu too :D
[21:02] <keyUp> yeah
[21:02] <keyUp> its ok
[21:02] <keyUp> just unban this IP if possible asap, and leave other one for some tie as punishment.. if you feel so
[21:02] <keyUp> if possible..
[21:03] <keyUp> ill ot log in from this IP anymore, and my br is nicer then me :_)
[21:03] <keyUp> ok I am off now
[21:03] <keyUp> thanks for listening
[21:03] <keyUp> anything else?
[21:03] <Pici> keyUp: I think you really need to work on pressing the enter key so often.
[21:03] <keyUp> I must work sry
[21:03] <keyUp> yeah..
[21:03] <Pici> Okay. Stop by here later and we'll discuss some more. (or ikonia will).
[21:03] <keyUp> ok
[21:03] <keyUp> thanks alot
[21:03] <keyUp> bye
[21:03] <Pici> bye
[21:03] <Pici> @mark keyup
[21:04]  * Pici shrugs
[21:06] <eamon> Hello, are you there Tm_T?
[21:09] <Pici> eamon: I haven't seen him since before the last time you were here.
[21:10] <ikonia> hello
[21:10] <ikonia> sorry I was just away
[21:11] <Pici> ikonia: Only a few moments too late, check your pm.
[21:11] <eamon> ok, I'll be back later on since there's a no idling policy in this channel
[21:11] <Pici> eamon: thanks.
[21:13] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[23:21] <keyup> hello friends :)
[23:21] <IdleOne> hello keyup
[23:22] <keyup> ikonia arround?
[23:22] <IdleOne> I don't know
[23:22] <IdleOne> ikonia: ping
[23:25] <nhandler> He has been idle over an hour, so there is a good chance he is not around right now
[23:25] <IdleOne> keyup: have you read the !guidelines ?
[23:25] <IdleOne> !guidelines
[23:26] <keyup> ok
[23:26] <keyup> anoying by any chance using apache?
[23:26] <IdleOne> keyup: have you read the !guidelines ?
[23:27] <keyup> yes i m now
[23:27] <keyup> I am muted on #httpd too and i desperately need 2 min help 2 min max
[23:27] <LjL> why am i not surprised
[23:27] <LjL> keyup, the way it works is not that when you get banned from a channel you get help from an unrelated channel
[23:27] <IdleOne> keyup: part of the reason you are banned in #ubuntu is that you do not seem to follow any direction
[23:28] <IdleOne> I need you to focus and tell me if you understand the guidelines for using #ubuntu
[23:28] <keyup> :)
[23:28] <keyup> yea yea
[23:28] <keyup> you all are smart
[23:28] <keyup> no doubt about it
[23:29]  * LjL acts all idiotic
[23:29] <keyup> but only thing you need is to lower your ego just a bit sometimes on some occasions
[23:29] <keyup> ah this guy wont unmute me on #httpd for 46 days :!
[23:30] <IdleOne> #httpd is not in our control you would need to speak to a  channel op there
[23:30] <IdleOne> So, back to the ban in #ubuntu
[23:30] <IdleOne> Do you wish to be unbanned?
[23:33] <LjL> err maybe he was reading the guidelines though
[23:34] <IdleOne> he is to busy spamming #freenode with enter
[23:34] <LjL>  ah
[23:34] <IdleOne> to be reading
[23:34] <keyup> I am sorry i was discussing my apache prolem with guy in #freenode he was going off so i must hurry there..
[23:35] <keyup> yes i wish..
[23:35] <keyup> to be unbanned in #ubuntu if possible
[23:35] <IdleOne> you understand the channel guidelines for using #ubuntu?
[23:35] <keyup> I use ubuntu and apache I need support from time to time, i will try to be strickly professional
[23:35] <keyup> yes
[23:36] <IdleOne> ok I am going to give you a chance. Please understand that next time it will be a lot longer before the ban is removed.
[23:37] <IdleOne> please join #ubuntu
[23:37] <LjL> keyup, do us a favor, HOLD that Enter key and don't hit it until you're finished with your train of thought. otherwise the ops here will be forced to take action again :\
[23:37] <keyup> ok thanks
[23:38] <keyup> well I suggest you watch the logs before analyzig my ban removal
[23:39] <IdleOne> please join #ubuntu so I can make sure you are unbanned
[23:39] <keyup> ok thaks again
[23:39] <keyup> ill leave from here


[23:00] <Arrowhead212002> how do i make it so when every time i log in i dont have to re type compiz --replace in the terminal
[23:00] <hlfshell> how do i restart metacity? everytime i enabled effects it crashes and i have no title bars.... how can i fix this temporarily and permenately?
[23:00] <incubii> Awsoonn, not for Ubuntu, no. Unless you trip out the fat of Ubuntu and go for lighter wieght applications
[23:00] <Arrowhead212002> metacity --replace
[23:00] <Arrowhead212002> put that in the terminal
[23:00] <incubii> Awsoonn, but Gnome will kill your RAM usage anyway
[23:00] <Taladan> clearmoments: *nods*  It was in the list of software on that page that Scunizi gave me
[23:00] <Zerocool947> hi
[23:00] <hlfshell> but Arrowhead212002 -that disables effects.
[23:00] <Rdgcrs> exodus_MS: I will share the files with another network (not with a computer on the Internet provider network)
[23:01] <n8tuser> Rdgcrs-> do not have both wireless and ethernet active at same time if they use the same gateway
[23:01] <Sonja> is there a way to tell imagemagick to include also files within subfolders?
[23:01] <clearmoments> Taladan: Is there a really compelling reason to switch the users from Windows?
[23:01] <Zerocool947> fryguy: is there any way to set the 3d rendering in the terminal
[23:01] <exodus_MS> Rdgcrs, file server?
[23:01] <Arrowhead212002> well are you using compiz effects?
[23:01] <hlfshell> how can i get metacity to work without crashing when compiz is trying to enable effects?
[23:01] <Awsoonn> incubii: any other webbrowsers you recomend? FF takes up so much ram I sometime cry to myself :P
[23:01] <hlfshell> yes, Arrowhead212002
[23:01] <fryguy> Zerocool947: you don't want to turn it off
[23:01] <Arrowhead212002> if thats the case then try compiz --replace
[23:01] <anonymous_> hello everyone im having a bit of a problem im kind of new to linux i was woundering how to install files
[23:01] <n8tuser> Sonja-> not sure, but have you look at its how to use page or readme files?
[23:01] <incubii> Awsoonn, you could try Opera of Epiphany
[23:01] <hlfshell> ok lemme try that Arrowhead212002
[23:01] <Rdgcrs> n8tuser: They use different gateway...
[23:02] <Zerocool947> fryguy: well how do I turn off 3d effects?
[23:02] <Taladan> clearmoments: yeah, most of them are sick of dealing with the multitude of virus issues, as well as it being a small community there's not a huge lot of money to buy specialized software each time they need something.
[23:02] <anonymous_> yes i have but it just doesnt seem to run
[23:02] <Rdgcrs> exodus_MS: Well... only copy some files temporally
[23:02] <kirkt> what should i apt-get in order to get a minimal gui on my ubuntu server?
[23:02] <fryguy> Zerocool947: you claimed you did
[23:02] <rbm_> google earth 4.2 keeps crashing and 4.3 won't load. i am running 8.10 with backports enabled
[23:02] <n8tuser> Rdgcrs-> then perhaps a clear drawing of how your network is laidout is in order, a picture is worth a thousand words
[23:02] <fryguy> Zerocool947: just select none for the option
[23:02] <incubii> Awsoonn, if you get Epiphany with the Web-Kit engine it should be quite fast
[23:02] <Arrowhead212002> Hlfshell: but then that will lead you to where i am everytime i restart my comp i need to type in compiz --replace
[23:02] <Taladan> All of them want server capabilities, without the pricetag of paying for server 2k3
[23:02] <clearmoments> Taladan: Thats good that they are motivated.
[23:02] <hlfshell> Arrowhead --- compiz --replace returned errors about the gtk-window-decorator.... something about an undefined symbol.
[23:02] <hlfshell> so i still dont have title bars
[23:02] <clearmoments> Taladan: I know that its really hard to get users to switch.
[23:02] <Zerocool947> fryguy: yes, I had done that long before
[23:02] <Arrowhead212002> and i dont know how to make it so i dont have to type that all the time
[23:03] <Zerocool947> fryguy: it's still laggy
[23:03] <Sonja> Taladan and clearmoments: free, i.e. don't have to pay lots of money or steal winxp
[23:03] <n8tuser> Taladan-> what do you want done? all users have a server? who the heck is going to manage each and every server?
[23:03] <Sonja> also the community is a selling point
[23:03] <Taladan> clearmoments: yeah, I have gotten warm reception from them after talking with them about it, and I've been working with them for over a year now providing various solutions, so they trust me to provide them with honest answers
[23:03] <sliderz> Does anyone have any experience with why a webcam (creative vf0350 live cam) will not work with any programs, not even skype? (os shows no detected devices)  i installed the hacked ov51x_jpeg file correctly....but still no luck.   ubuntu 8.10...any help greatly appreciated
[23:03] <Arrowhead212002> did you install emerald?
[23:04] <Taladan> n8tuser: This is for multiple businesses that I adminstrate
[23:04] <clearmoments> Sonja: Oh don't get me wrong, I love Linux.  Users don't often share my enthusiasm.
[23:04] <hlfshell> i dont know what emerald is Arrowhead212002, so i guess not?
[23:04] <Taladan> s/administrate/administer
[23:04] <n8tuser> Taladan-> and what are the requirements?
[23:04] <clearmoments> Taladan: Thats good.
[23:04] <anto9us> hlfshell, you could delete .compiz from your home folder and start again
[23:04] <Taladan> n8tuser: depends on the customer ;)
[23:04] <Arrowhead212002> emerald is a windo theme editor for compiz
[23:04] <hlfshell> you think thatll fix it anto9us ?
[23:04] <hlfshell> emerald package is not installed.
[23:04] <pindakaas117> anyone seen the new screenshots of kde..err I mean windows 7?
[23:05] <Zerocool947> fryguy: like I said, it's still lagging, Is there any other potential fix?
[23:05] <anto9us> hlfshell, that's my best guess, you'll lose all compiz settings of course
[23:05] <n8tuser> Taladan-> okay since you are getting paid to do this thing, do you think its appropiate for you to pay support services?
[23:05] <hlfshell> im installing now to give it a try.
[23:05] <fryguy> Zerocool947: no idea
[23:05] <hlfshell> anto9us - i wont mind resetting :-)
[23:05] <Taladan> we're already setting up a system that i've developed using ubuntu server with bacula and Partimage is not Ghost as their backup systems in several of the major businesses
[23:05] <bsol> is it a problem if i don't see vista/longhorn loader under "merger assistant" on the "ready to install" screen when installing ubuntu/vista dualboot?
[23:05] <Zerocool947> then does anyone know how to fix the graphical lag problem with Dell Latitude D830 laptops?
[23:06] <Taladan> n8tuser: That's something that I've discussed with the various business owners, that there is support available.
[23:06] <hlfshell> ok emerald is installed. anto9us, Arrowhead212002 , i will be right back, reseetting X
[23:06] <n8tuser> Taladan-> uhuh, and you are getting positive response?
[23:06] <Taladan> I'm the 'linux guy' for our company, so it's up to me to try and push the use of it, but also to help provide solutions.
[23:06] <hlfshell> actually wit- emearld works great :-)
[23:07] <hlfshell> thanks for the help anto9us, Arrowhead212002
[23:07] <Taladan> n8tuser: so far, yes.  The biggest movement I've seen with linux use has been on some of our residential clients - they're at least willing to look at it and try the livecd's etc.  The businesses I'm still in the R&D phase to try and provide workable solutions.
[23:07] <Zerocool947> ok, that's not working
[23:07] <carlo___> Hi... I have a questions with regards to grub and other operating systems. I have installed Ubuntu 8.10, and my Ubuntu 8.04 which is installed to another partition was properly detected. After a kernel update, the 'Other Operating Systems' entry for 8.04 still points to the old kernel. How do I re-trigger detection of other operating systems? executing update-grub only added 8.10.
[23:07] <freeqstyler> hey
[23:08] <n8tuser> Taladan-> okay, keep up the good work of proliferating the opensource mantra :P
[23:08] <camerongroom> does anyone know if this http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4410382/Adobe_Flash_CS4_v10.0_Professional-SHOCKiSO would work in wine
[23:08] <yaris123456789> how do i install my own nameserver
[23:08] <onetinsoldier> bsol: i don't know, i only have experience with WinXP dual boot. but i don't see anything when i install either. you won't actually know if grub is going to load windows until after it's installed and you've rebooted
[23:08] <Brack101> camerongroom: www.winehq.org
[23:08] <Taladan> Not all of them will switch, but a lot of them openly embrace the use of open source software (pushing things like Firefox and Openoffice, etc)
[23:08] <freeqstyler> i have problem with my disk- in Ubuntu while copying an input/output error occurs. In Windows it works fine
[23:08] <n8tuser> yaris123456789-> do you have to? you can read up on bind9 or get a book on name server
[23:09] <justizin1> i tried to change the resolution for my screen, as it goes outside my visible scope on screen, and this crashed my X session.   now, when i try to log in, i get an invalid mode message from my monitor, though gdm loads..  how do i reset this?
[23:09] <yaris123456789> n8tuser: why do i need my own nameserver anyhow
[23:09] <incubii> camerongroom, please dont post links to warez
[23:09] <Zerocool947> I have a problem with VirtualBox. I already have Vista installed on this machine and I want to run it in a virtual box. However, it looks like the box can only install windows. Is there any way around this?
[23:09] <zeeeee> when i do a clean install from cd, will my existing /home dirs be left intact? the whole fs is in the one same partition, and i don't plan on repartitioning the disk.
[23:09] <clearmoments> Well it was fun talking, but I must go.  See you all later.
[23:09] <n8tuser> yaris123456789-> i dont know, you're the one asking to create one, i honestly believe you dont need to create one for a few users
[23:09] <camerongroom> Brack101: I know about the program I have it I'm asking if it will work in wine
[23:09] <yaris123456789> n8tuser: well i just got this new VPS box
[23:09] <yaris123456789> n8tuser: it says enter nameserver
[23:10] <yaris123456789> and hostname
[23:10] <camerongroom> incubii:Sorry
[23:10] <yaris123456789> do i need to have registrar access to those domains ?
[23:10] <TokenBad> someone come take this snow please...
[23:10] <camerongroom> lol
[23:10] <n8tuser> yaris123456789-> ahh i mis-understood you,  a nameserver for your local network or for the internet?
[23:10] <camerongroom> it is a high of 2 tomorrow low of -20 here
[23:10] <onetinsoldier> zeeeee: just make sure you tell the installer that you want to use the partition for /home, but do not, i repeat, do not format that partition
[23:10] <bsol> onetinsoldier: so if i can't load windows after installing am i screwed? or is there still a way to configure grub to dual boot?
[23:11] <Brack101> camerongroom: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[23:11] <yaris123456789> n8tuser: yes for the interents
[23:11] <Dr_WIllis_AAO> bsol:  you can configure grub later to boot other os's if you want..  GRUB is worth learning
[23:11] <n8tuser> yaris123456789-> umm. whats the VPS stood for? im just wanting clarifications
[23:11] <Scunizi> bsol: for the most part it will configure everything just fine.. on a rare occurance you might have to reinstall grub.. not a big deal.
[23:11] <freeqstyler> well, am i invisible?
[23:11] <yaris123456789> n8tuser: virtual private server
[23:12] <bsol> ok thanks guys here i go on the install wish me luck!
[23:12] <Mahir> hey guys how tork is as application? good best? or there is better
[23:12] <carlo___> Dr_WIllis_AAO: I'm haveing a similar problem, do you know how to configure grub for other operating systems automagically?
[23:12] <Dr_WIllis_AAO> freeqstyler:  :)
[23:12] <exodus_MS> !patient | freeqstyler
[23:12] <Taladan> Hmm...
[23:12]  * Scunizi sees the shadow of Claud Rains
[23:12] <camerongroom> Brack101: i can't download from Adobe, because their download manager does not work in linux
[23:12] <Taladan> Mybooks by Appgen supports QB data import.
[23:12] <n8tuser> yaris123456789-> okay, have you done any reading of tutorials on how to install such VM ?
[23:12] <emperorcezar> I'm trying to set my caps lock to a control. I setup the xmodmaps and in xev, when I hit the capslock it returns (keysym 0xffe3, Control_L), but it still doesn't work as control.
[23:12] <exodus_MS> !patience | freeqstyler
[23:12] <JulioNeto> is there any player which open subtitles like this >> https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/attachment/ticket/824/powerdvd_30_2sub.jpg?format=raw
[23:12] <JulioNeto> ?
[23:12] <yaris123456789> well i am using WHM cPanel to install
[23:12] <Dr_WIllis_AAO> carol__ try running update-grub, perhaps..  I  often edit my menu.lst to add wiatever other oss i want..
[23:12] <onetinsoldier> bsol: man, personally i hate trying to figure out how to install grub manually. however, it is possible. it also should be possible to restore your normal Vista boot loader if you want to too. but of course then you'd have no boot loader for linux
[23:13] <webternals> I did apt-get install cron but the cron jobs still don't run anyone have a clue
[23:13] <freeqstyler> a'ight a'ight ^^
[23:13] <onetinsoldier> bsol: ok, good luck!
[23:13] <Scunizi> JulioNeto: videolan is VLC and it's availble in the repos
[23:13] <Taladan> but that's on the windows version only.  Hrm.  Maybe in the pay version the linux version will import QB data.
[23:14] <unop> webternals, is the cron service running?
[23:14] <webternals> yes
[23:14] <carlo___> Dr_WIllis_AAO: Thanks... update-grub only adds the 8.10 kernels, but doesn't detect 'Other Operating Systems'... but since the Ubuntu installler does I'm thinking there might be some way to re-trigger that.
[23:14] <flaco> hello, someone can help to install ubuntu, I got a issue with a sata disk
[23:14] <unop> webternals, ok, how are you sure the jobs aren't being run?
[23:14] <Brack101> camerongroom: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14514&iTestingId=33545
[23:14] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, videolan can do it?
[23:14] <flaco> the problem is that the disk is not recognized in the partition manager
[23:14] <carlo___> Dr_WIllis_AAO: But thanks a lot for replying
[23:15] <Scunizi> JulioNeto: you're link didn't open so I couldn't tell what it was trying to do.. but the link was from the video lan site.. what did they say?
[23:15] <erizoe> I wiped ubuntu and have another distro installed but whenn i turn the computer on to boot from my harddrive it gives me a GRUB error. Does Ubuntu leave grub on my MBR or someting?
[23:15] <Zerocool947> I have a problem with VirtualBox. I already have Vista installed on this machine and I want to run it in a virtual box. However, it looks like the box can only install windows. Is there any way around this?
[23:15] <webternals> i set a simple one in /etc/crontab * * * * * root /bin/touch /root/test.test and no luck
[23:15] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, nothin...
[23:15] <Taladan> hrm...I had no idea that so many different solutions for accounting were available for linux.  This makes me feel better.
[23:15] <camerongroom> Brack101: how is that link supposed to help me
[23:15] <Mahir> how safe is it to install and use tork software and does it to any harm to system?
[23:16] <Scunizi> JulioNeto: so what is it you're trying to do?
[23:16] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, I can open subtitle on VLC, but I want open one secondary
[23:16] <TokenBad> can anyone help me get kino working to rip video from my camcorder?
[23:16] <fryguy> erizoe: yes, that is how grub works
[23:16] <RobLikesBrunch> Hello
[23:16] <unop> webternals, have you checked your mail (or root's mail) for any errors -- and btw, touch should be /usr/bin/touch
[23:16] <Brack101> camerongroom:  You asked if it works with wine and the answer is no
[23:17] <RobLikesBrunch> I installed a theme that utilizes the emerald theme manager, but it resets every start up
[23:17] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, what the guys was asking is what I'm wanting ... I'm looking for this videolan now
[23:17] <erizoe> fryguy: tips? How do i take Grub off of the MBR so that i can boot with LILO?
[23:17] <Scunizi> JulioNeto: you might give mplayer a try and see if that will do it.
[23:17] <Brack101> hence the site I just sent you
[23:17] <RobLikesBrunch> so every startup I have to type Alt+F2, emerald --replace
[23:17] <fryguy> erizoe: install lilo
[23:17] <RobLikesBrunch> how can I avoid doing this?
[23:17] <Scunizi> JulioNeto: sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:17] <Brack101> appdb shows you whether or not stuff works with wine
[23:17] <erizoe> I'm not on Ubuntu. and I have Lilo0 installed with a working lilo.conf
[23:17] <camerongroom> Brack101:It works with wine flash cs3 is on the silver list. but I'm saying when I try downloading it from Adobe.com the download manager is cranky and doesn't do anything.
[23:17] <erizoe> fryguy: I'm not on Ubuntu. and I have Lilo installed with a working lilo.conf
[23:17] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, I don't think Mplayer do that.. but if I didn't find anything I'll give it a try ;)
[23:18] <fryguy> erizoe: so then what is the problem?
[23:18] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, videolan = vlc ?
[23:18] <webternals> unop this is a new server and I have not installed any "mail" capabilities yet
[23:18] <Brack101> camerongroom: yeah but you have cs4, that's different
[23:18] <JulioNeto> Scunizi, videolan = vlc.
[23:18] <camerongroom> well there isn't a way to get cs3
[23:18] <JulioNeto> ¬¬
[23:18] <camerongroom> without a torrent now
[23:18] <JulioNeto> I'm using it Scunizi
[23:18] <camerongroom> Adobe doesn't sell it anymreo
[23:18] <erizoe> fryguy: when i try and boot another distro it still tries to use GRUB. I want to delete GRUB from th MBR i think./
[23:18] <fryguy> erizoe: then lilo isn't installed correctly.  Install lilo correctly
[23:19] <Tofflos> Earlier today I had a problem after switching from an AMD Sempron 3200+ to and AMD X2 4850e. Ubuntu kept either freezing or rebooting during startup. I solved it by uninstalling powernowd. What does powernowd do? Is it good for anything? I've read that the functionality has been replaced by stuff in the kernel. Is that right?
[23:19] <Arrowhead212002> how do i make it so when every time i log in i dont have to re type compiz --replace in the terminal to start compiz
[23:19] <unop> webternals, every system has a mail reader to read local mail - it should be at /usr/bin/mail
[23:19] <erizoe> fryguy: I think it is installed correctly.
[23:19] <fryguy> erizoe: it's not
[23:19] <flaco> I got a problem when I try to install ubuntu, the thing is that the disk is not recognized in the partition manager (sata disk), but the disk is recognized in the bios any ideas?
[23:19] <Taladan> hrm....looking at sugarcrm it looks astounding, but it's not exactly what I'm looking for.
[23:19] <Red_Wraith> Hello all. Does anyone know of a good program to record screen video with sound.
[23:19] <erizoe> fryguyL what should I look for for "correct"ness?
[23:19] <fryguy> Arrowhead212002: do you have any effects turned on in system | preferences | appearance before you start compiz
[23:19] <camerongroom> Brack101: so you're saying if I find a flash cs3 I can run it on ubuntu?
[23:20] <fryguy> erizoe: it runs when you boot your machine
[23:20] <Arrowhead212002> nope
[23:20] <fryguy> erizoe: lilo works the same way grub does, just worse.  It gets installed to the mbr and then uses part of the contents of a partition on your system to read settings and do things
[23:20] <Scunizi> Taladan: vtiger? zimbra? Centric?
[23:20] <webternals> unop: your statement is not entirely accurate
[23:20] <Arrowhead212002> it just chooses metacity over my compiz
[23:20] <erizoe> Fryguyl I do not want to use the MBR. How do i take grub out of hte MBR
[23:20] <Brack101> camerongroom: no I was just showing you how to find out if stuff works in wine
[23:20] <Taladan> Scunizi: I'm focussed more on accounting than customer db stuff
[23:21] <unop> webternals, regardless, have you checked your mail????
[23:21] <Scunizi> Taladan: and do you need it server based?
[23:21] <fryguy> erizoe: you have to use the mbr. it's how x86 systems boot
[23:21] <webternals> unop: There are no errors not even in the log files
[23:21] <Stavros> do hdparm settings persist across reboots?
[23:21] <camerongroom> Brack101: alright but because it says it works with wine, then I can download a trial from a third party site and it should work with wine right?
[23:21] <erizoe> Fryguy: thanks (i think)...  I'll give it another go tonight
[23:21] <unop> webternals, errors are sent via mail ...
[23:21] <caseheart> Yes, its official.  ubuntu 8.10, sound was working fine..now..it doesnt...anyone have any suggestions?
[23:22] <erizoe> RECOMPILE KERNEL AHHHHHHHRG
[23:22] <Red_Wraith> Does anyone know of a good program to record screen video with sound?
[23:22] <Taladan> Scunizi: for some customers I do, others I don't
[23:22] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: what happened between it was working and now it's not?
[23:23] <unop> !screencast > Red_Wraith
[23:23] <caseheart> onetinsoldier...the only thing i have done since the last time i had it on is try to install a webcam
[23:23] <Scunizi> Taladan: the link I provided before.. I thought I remembered one that was server based.. not sure if it was opensource or not.
[23:23] <Taladan> I've found some good leads on here so far...I think these will keep me researching for the next month or so.  Thanks guys!
[23:23] <world_citizen> I love the linux kernel, it tastes so good :3
[23:23] <Red_Wraith> Thank you.
[23:23] <Scunizi> Taladan: good luck
[23:23] <Taladan> Scunizi: yeah, that link was very helpful
[23:24] <caseheart> it def finds my audio under lspci
[23:24] <webternals> unop: no erros no mail no working cron, but I do have a pid for the cron service and it shows up in the /var/log/syslog file
[23:24] <Capn_Fish> Is there a way to prevent the "recovery" option from being created in Grub every time the kernel is updated?
[23:24] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: roger. i don't know how to help really. i thought it might give clue, and that may have something to do with it, the webcam install attempt. i don't know.
[23:25] <webternals> unop: i do keep gettin Dec 20 17:25:01 webternals CRON[15976]: User account has expired
[23:25] <caseheart> lol onetinsoldier, at least someone cared to ask :P
[23:25] <narciarz> witam
[23:26] <Triphys> Hey guys! I have an Acer Aspire One running ubuntu-eee and I have a Realtek 8101E ethernet driver.. Ive downloaded the correct driver from realtek, but I can't remember how to install it.. I'm sure Ive read a guide somewhere but I can't find it.. Been looking like crazy now.. Could anyone help me?
[23:27] <unop> webternals,  that's odd, if that error pertains to your job in /etc/crontab  - the root user account should never expire.
[23:27] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: hehe. :-) you have anything against trying 'proposed updates'? i installed them today, then took them off my repo list after i had them all downloaded and installed. they're working fine. and some of the updates were for 'pulseaudio'
[23:27] <unop> webternals, kill that old job and try another job perhaps?     */1 * * * *  root  echo hello world > /tmp/cron.test
[23:28] <webternals> unop: I have tried several commands but I think I may look into why the root account is expired first
[23:28] <caseheart> onetinsolder, no i ran the updates (well, the os did earlier) and i installed them all, that may well be what killed it? i am reading a forum that says someone else had same problem..maybe on the right trail>?
[23:28] <anto9us> Taladan, this looks like an interesting forum thread for you http://www.xtuple.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=505&sid=71b4a3e8fb33f097a61a47ea27f1476a
[23:29] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: yes, you may be on the right trail. too bas if that's the case though. their working fine for me, but who knows, i have no idea how they may affect other folks
[23:29] <onetinsoldier> bas=bad
[23:30] <biko> EXIT
[23:31] <ubuntu> mor
[23:31] <Arrowhead212002> how do i make it so when every time i log in i dont have to re type compiz --replace in the terminal to start compiz
[23:32] <webternals> unop: thanks for your help but my solution was fixing the root account
[23:32] <caseheart> onetinsoldier, i can set it to autodetect, or alsa, or pulse, and none of the tests work...it shows the hardware correctly...i just ran sudo aptitude install linux-backports-modules, that didnt seem to help...going to reboot.   no boot sounds, no mp3 sounds btw...
[23:32] <wunnymush> hello
[23:32] <unop> webternals, cool - but that's odd.
[23:32] <anto9us> Arrowhead212002, System | Preferences | Appearance | Visual Effects
[23:32] <x3n0> kernel updates keep failing with error code 2, fglrx fails causing Xorg to be forced it low resolution... is there any way to manually correct this?
[23:33] <webternals> unop: passwd -l root obviously messes up cron jobs
[23:33] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: i hear you, i have no idea though really. all i can say is good luck
[23:33] <fryguy> firefox take >2 minutes to launch.  Any way to debug what's causing it to take so long?  strace doesn't work, as when i strace, it gets stuck on aquiring a lock on .parentlock and never loads, Any other ways I can debug what's causing it to take so long?
[23:33] <Arrowhead212002> ccsm?
[23:33] <Arrowhead212002> cause i dont have a "visual effests"
[23:33] <Arrowhead212002> er effects
[23:34] <anto9us> Arrowhead212002, ccsm just changes compiz settings
[23:34] <anto9us> Arrowhead212002, you can add compiz --replace to your session startup programs
[23:34] <mib_buofdvcm> Anyone care to help me compile and install a usplash theme?
[23:34] <Arrowhead212002> oh ok
[23:35] <wizizi>  /ctcp hustlin-moviez xdcc send 65
[23:35] <x3n0> kernel updates keep failing with error code 2, fglrx fails causing Xorg to be forced it low resolution... ant ideas?
[23:36] <x3n0> *any
[23:36] <onetinsoldier> wizizi: ?? advert?
[23:36] <zandhorn> Hi
[23:37] <zandhorn> how can I copy contents using live CD CLI. fcopy is not available and cp keeps omitting directories...
[23:38] <fryguy> cp -a
[23:38] <zandhorn> I need to get files off a crashed laptop to usb memory stick
[23:38] <kane_> zandhorn, cp -r or cp -a
[23:38] <kane_> zandhorn, cp -a might be a bit better
[23:39] <zandhorn> what's the difference?
[23:39] <PriceChild> helpw: please don't use /notice, just message the channel normally.
[23:39] <RichiH> helpw: do not do that, please
[23:39] <fryguy> -a is archive, -r is recursive, -a will preserves file permissions and things. see the manpage for details
[23:39] <Taladan> anto9us: Thanks!
[23:40] <Zerocool947> I have a problem. My sound is extremely soft and almost unhearable in any program at max volume. Is there a way to fix this?
[23:40] <anto9us> Taladan, yw
[23:40] <helpw> oh, sorry. :)
[23:40] <zandhorn> mkay. cp -a worked. thanks!
[23:40] <zandhorn> *n00b :)
[23:40] <adaptr> Zerocool947: there are at least 3 volume settings, make sure each is at a reasonable level
[23:40] <PriceChild> helpw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplash
[23:40] <helpw> i'll check that out, thanks
[23:41] <helpw> only one problem, i'm installing updates right now. i guess i'll bookmark that
[23:41] <Zerocool947> adaptr: I found 2) 1st is my laptop, second is the volume button on the top toolbar. Where's the third?
[23:41] <onetinsoldier> Zerocool947: double-click on your speaker icon... the go into preferences and and add things like center channel, surround. then unmute them and turn the volume slider up for them
[23:42] <adaptr> Zerocool947: right-click that and select volume control
[23:42] <helpw> PriceChild: i downloaded a usplash theme with a Makefile as well as some other things i don't know how to use, could you help me?
[23:42] <adaptr> you have at least a master volume (the slider) and a PCM channel
[23:42] <DjLuckE>  i have wiped my hard drive clean and i need help in using the partition part so i can usee the freespace to upload windows
[23:42] <DjLuckE> in ubuntu
[23:42] <PriceChild> helpw: Did you read that link?
[23:42] <helpw> DjLuckE: do you need to save anything that's on your ahrd disk right now
[23:43] <DjLuckE> i wiped it all clean
[23:43] <DjLuckE> i got a new computer
[23:43] <tonsofpcs> Running Ubuntu 8.10 on my new Core 2 Q6600, pressing ctrl+alt+f1 caused a black screen to be drawn with just a mouse cursor on it...  machine locally appears to be hung, but ssh access is still working [this irc connection is through it].  Any clue how I can get it to not be locked up locally and return to normal use?
[23:43] <helpw> Pricechild: yes, i downloaded the theme from a website though
[23:43] <Happy> file browser, click on a.txt and b.txt, open two gedit, instead of one gedit with 2 tab, howto fix?
[23:43] <PriceChild> helpw: Did you find anything that might help you on the link that I gave you?
[23:43] <Zerocool947> adaptr: that worked, but I discovered that my laptop controls do absolutely nothing. Is there anyone to fix this?
[23:43] <helpw> Not really.
[23:43] <helpw> I'm a linux newb btw.
[23:43] <helpw> >_>
[23:43] <PriceChild> helpw: ok well there is a section named "Using custom artwork with usplash", did you see that?
[23:44] <anto9us> tonsofpcs, do any of the other terminals work? ctrl+alt+f2 etc?
[23:44] <fryguy> firefox take >2 minutes to launch.  Any way to debug what's causing it to take so long?  strace doesn't work, as when i strace, it gets stuck on aquiring a lock on .parentlock and never loads, Any other ways I can debug what's causing it to take so long?
[23:44] <helpw> i think i looked at that and it wasn't much help but i'll take another look through it, give me a sec
[23:44] <PriceChild> helpw: I found the first page (the official ubuntu community documentation on usplash) by searching google.
[23:44] <DjLuckE> !partitioning
[23:44] <zandhorn> How do I set a different codeset in CLI?
[23:44] <tonsofpcs> anto9us: no, it cannot return me to 7 either, it appears to be locked locally
[23:44] <PriceChild> helpw: if you then click on that link, i think it'll help
[23:44] <helpw> DjLuckE: do you have the cd that you used to install ubuntu?
[23:45] <adaptr> Zerocool947: there are packages to deal with that , for specific laptops
[23:45] <zandhorn> I'm using US right now but I have characters like Ö and ä to use
[23:45] <DjLuckE> i have the cd in yes
[23:45] <helpw> okay, thanks, i'll look at it
[23:45] <SebepNe> !partitioning
[23:45] <SebepNe> !partitioning
[23:45] <SebepNe> !partitioning
[23:45] <adaptr> Zerocool947: apt-cache search laptop, or something :)
[23:45] <FloodBot1> SebepNe: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <zandhorn> and estonian codepage would be awesome
[23:45] <helpw> it's making sense, i see the custom font in here and everything
[23:45] <adaptr> SebepNe: thanks!
[23:45] <anto9us> tonsofpcs, keyboard is possibly locked, I'd guess at killing the x-server
[23:45] <DjLuckE> i did that lol
[23:45] <DjLuckE> i beat you all lol
[23:46] <Zerocool947> adaptr: I have this long list of dealies. how do I process any of this?
[23:46] <helpw> DjLuckE: reboot your computer, when it's booting make it boot from the cd
[23:46] <tonsofpcs> anto9us: you would think if it were an x problem i'd still be able to get to VT 1 - 5 at least...
[23:46] <adaptr> Zerocool947: I don't know what you mean
[23:46] <helpw> helpw: use the cd to install ubuntu... when you get to the partition manager...
[23:46] <Zerocool947> adaptr: what do I do with any of these things
[23:46] <helpw> whoops
[23:46] <anto9us> tonsofpcs, yes, good point
[23:46] <helpw> DjLuckE: use the cd to install ubuntu... when you get to the partition manager...
[23:46] <DjLuckE> i am there right now
[23:46] <adaptr> Zerocool947: you search through them to see if anything matches your laptop make/model
[23:46] <helpw> DjLuckE: do you already have partitions set up?
[23:47] <DjLuckE> i select manual
[23:47] <adaptr> Zerocool947: and there's also a generic set of tools for laptop controls
[23:47] <adaptr> I forget what it's called
[23:47] <helpw> DjLuckE: okay... did you have and partitions on there before, that you want to keep?
[23:47] <helpw> DjLuckE: do you already have one made for windows?
[23:47] <Zerocool947> adaptr: so once I find something that might apply to me, what do I do with it?
[23:48] <adaptr> Zerocool947: you install it in the normal way
[23:48] <Capn_Fish> Anybody know how to stop grub from making "recovery" options?
[23:48] <tonsofpcs> there aren't any problems with pulseaudio in 8.10 like there were in 8.04 are there?
[23:48] <DjLuckE> help: i wiped the hard drive clean but i want to install windows after i install ubuntu
[23:48] <Zerocool947> adaptr: I am a complete noob. What is the normal way?
[23:48] <DjLuckE> im at the creat partition
[23:48] <caseheart> My soundcard is >>> VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) <<< .   I have changed nothing )that i know of (, EXCEPT did the updates today (ubuntu 8.10) and now i have no sound, which means, no music...which is, well, not good.  can anyone please help me figure out what is wrong here? checked alsamixer, its turned up....everything 100% on...no clue.....its not a user error..something is wrong..can anyone help me out?
[23:48] <adaptr> Zerocool947: ah.. in that case just use synaptic
[23:49] <justizin1> DjLuckE: create a partition as fat32, don't set it up for use in ubuntu, install onto it later, should be fine..  might need some bootloader config that install would otherwise do for you
[23:49] <helpw> okay, can someone correct me on this if i'm wrong?
[23:49] <helpw> yeah
[23:49] <Zerocool947> adaptr: Synaptic?
[23:49] <djbeenie> hey guys..trying to upload pics to facebook and I get No valid license key for current DNS/IP address specified..anyone seen this ?
[23:49] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: you should probably be letting people know specifically that you did the 'proposed updates'
[23:49] <adaptr> Zerocool947: have you only just now installed ubuntu ? like, 5 minutes ago ?
[23:49] <helpw> DjLuckE: make one partition fat32, that's going to be the windows one. make another one ext3, that'll be the ubuntu one. make sure, for this one, that the root point is /
[23:50] <Zerocool947> adaptr: well 5 hours ago, but the idea is the same
[23:50] <helpw> DjLuckE: you'll need one last partition for swap space. this should be about 1-2gb
[23:50] <helpw> make sure this one is set as swap
[23:50] <tonsofpcs> djbeenie: browser?
[23:50] <adaptr> Zerocool947: synaptic is the normal way of installing software, it's in the system menu
[23:50] <helpw> then you should be good to go...
[23:50] <wizizi> \join xdcc
[23:50] <adaptr> Zerocool947: explore your system!
[23:50] <unop> Capn_Fish, why do that? the option of recovery is a good thing -- if you are still looking to get rid of these options, you could look in /etc/default/grub or one of the files in /etc/grub.d/
[23:50] <wizizi> \join xdccz
[23:50] <caseheart> onetinsoldier, is that what it means when you just say OK to whatever updates it offers? can you ...well, go back?
[23:50] <TokenBad> anyone tell me what package in ubuntu to install to get the dv1394 to be install
[23:50] <Zerocool947> adaptr: oh that thing, right, I've been playing around with that
[23:50] <onetinsoldier> !ops
[23:50] <DjLuckE> ok
[23:51] <DjLuckE> how much should i use for root???
[23:51] <helpw> DjLuckE: when you install windows make sure you pick the fat32 partition
[23:51] <djbeenie> tonsofpcs, firefox
[23:51] <DjLuckE> and swap
[23:51] <PriceChild> Hey onetinsoldier, what's up?
[23:51] <helpw> DjLuckE: what do you mean by that? how much should you use for the ubuntu partition?
[23:51] <DjLuckE> i use the fat in the beginning
[23:51] <helpw> okay
[23:51] <DjLuckE> yeah
[23:51] <Capn_Fish> unop: thanks
[23:51] <WastePotato> ?
[23:51] <tonsofpcs> djbeenie: try shift+[click refresh]
[23:51] <keres> how do you paste grayscale pixels from a layer into the alpha channel in gimp? #gimp seems to be inactive atm.
[23:52] <mrebola> hello
[23:52] <onetinsoldier> PriceChild: a user with the nick wizizi keeps coming in and advert'ing every so often
[23:52] <helpw> your entire hard drive is windows right now?
[23:52] <mrebola> someone speak spanish here¿
[23:52] <unop> keres, you might want to join #gimp on irc.gimp.net
[23:52] <Taladan> !spanish
[23:52] <DjLuckE> and for the fat do i use that as /dos or /windows?
[23:52] <mrebola> !spanish
[23:52] <WastePotato> !es
[23:52] <WastePotato> ..
[23:52] <mrebola> !es
[23:52] <onetinsoldier> PriceChild: wizizi>  /ctcp hustlin-moviez xdcc send 65    wizizi> \join xdcc    <wizizi> \join xdccz
[23:52] <mrebola> kakakaka
[23:52] <mrebola> thanks
[23:52] <DjLuckE> my hard drive is not winows it has no system on it lol
[23:52] <Taladan> denada
[23:53] <djbeenie> tonsofpcs, no go sir
[23:53] <randal> #vbox
[23:53] <helpw> DjLuckE: for the ubuntu partition (Ext3) make the Mount Point / (which is root.) For the swap partition make the type swap. make the swap partition 1-2 GB. make the windows partition fat 32, and don't do anything to the mount point.
[23:54] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: yes.. but you'd need to know what all packaged came from the 'proposed updates'.
[23:54] <helpw> actually, what might be easier, is if you go back, and instead of clicking manual, use the one where you can just click and drag it
[23:54] <helpw> DjLuckE: ^
[23:54] <rrplay> DjLuckE, take a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[23:54] <Capn_Fish> DjLuckE: Or just don't format the Windows partition
[23:54] <helpw> that too
[23:54] <nikolam> helpw I would advise against using fat32 for anything but external usb drives.
[23:54] <helpw> oh okay.
[23:54] <helpw> then what should he use?
[23:54] <adaptr> or a local swap partition
[23:54] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: i think there is an 'ls' command to list the most recent files laid down in /var/cache/apt/archives
[23:54] <helpw> NTFS?
[23:54] <adaptr> helpw: he should not "use" anything - he should let windows install itself on NTFS
[23:54] <helpw> Okay
[23:55] <helpw> So just make the windows partition blank
[23:55] <adaptr> and always - ALWAYS - install windows first
[23:55] <helpw> okay
[23:55] <DjLuckE> i think i would put the ubuntu at the end????
[23:55] <Capn_Fish> adaptr: That's the easy way
[23:55] <helpw> it's been a while since i did this, i think you should help him
[23:55] <helpw> yes
[23:55] <Capn_Fish> DjLuckE:  yes, definitely
[23:55] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: for an example, go to /var/cache/apt/archive and do   ls pulse*  you will most likely see various versions of that package in there
[23:55] <nikolam> adaptr, yes, thats it
[23:55] <peaces> I just installed ubuntu 8.10 on my toshiba laptop with a Atheros Wireless card, it shows the card and everything in lspci, but I cannot get it to work for the life of me.  The drivers from ubuntu are installed as well, how do I connect to a network?
[23:56] <caseheart> onetinsoldier, is that a pretty frequent thing for updates to blow stuff out of the water? lol
[23:56] <DjLuckE> and swap part in the middle of the two???
[23:56] <adaptr> you could, yes
[23:56] <Zzeiss> bbl.
[23:56] <adaptr> but I strongly advise you to create a separate /home
[23:57] <adaptr> swap isn't that important if you have 2GB or more
[23:57] <DjLuckE> pm me so i dont get lost lol if you wish
[23:57] <DjLuckE> i have 2 gig of ram
[23:57] <Capn_Fish> unop: There's nothing for grub in /etc/default, and /etc/grub.d doesn't have anything either (just one for memtest)
[23:58] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: not really.. but sometimes, and more often with 'proposed updates' enabled. if you want bleeding edge use proposed updates, if not, do not have proposed updates enabled. if you want 'unstable' then download and install 'Jaunty', the next version of ubuntu... get the idea? ;-)
[23:58] <unop> Capn_Fish, not sure then, sorry
[23:58] <caseheart> onetinsolder, i will take your advice and disable that, i didn't really know it was that much of a danger (READ: noob), im ALL for stable :P
[23:59] <DjLuckE> the windows partition i click dont use yes
[23:59] <peaces> how do I configure wireless in ubuntu?  I believe I have the drivers installed correctly but can't connect to anything
[23:59] <caseheart> onetinsoldier, would it be easier for me to start clean?
[23:59] <rww> Capn_Fish: I just joined the channel, so I'm not sure what you need, but /etc/default/grub can be created if you have something you need to put in there.
[23:59] <onetinsoldier> caseheart: it's now you job to figure out what's wrong and submit a bug report on the package in proposed updates that has broken your sound. hehe
[23:59] <caseheart> onetinsoldier, its my dream to be that smart, ha


[02:44] <Resistance> are away messages considered not-allwoed in #ubuntu?
[02:45] <Resistance> nevermind, ubottu answered me :)
[03:20] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Resistance about guidelines
[07:04] <pleia2> worth mentioning here, osssas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>posted a very, very offensive image in #ubuntu-women
[07:04] <pleia2> I'm quite upset
[07:05] <tonyyarusso> What sort?  Are they in other channels yet?
[07:06] <pleia2> porn drawing with the ubuntu logo on the woman
[07:07] <pleia2> they aren't anywhere else I am, first joined with the nick carjay
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> K
[14:42] <EvilResistance> could someone on the ops team memoserv tnk1?  I've sent him i think 8 privmsgs thus far in the past 8 days asking him to turn off his away messages, per the guidelines...
[14:42] <EvilResistance> and he hasnt
[14:42] <EvilResistance> (still does it)
[14:42] <EvilResistance> see #Ubuntu
[16:27] <mneptok> cyberjorge: how can we help?
[16:27] <cyberjorge> nothing just checking this out :)
[16:28] <cyberjorge> never knew this channel exist
[16:28] <mneptok> please read the /topic
[16:28] <mneptok> we do not allow idling.
[16:30] <mneptok> cyberjorge: please /part this channel if you have no issues to discuss
[16:31] <cyberjorge> ok sure, thanks!
[16:31]  * mneptok banned BluesKaj from #u a few minutes ago
[16:32] <Tm_T> huh
[16:32] <oCean> mneptok: not sure if you're aware, but bluekaj's behaviour has been worrisome lately
[16:32] <mneptok> until there is a very marked improvement in attitude, i would suggest the ban stay in place.
[16:32] <oCean> so it's perfectly fine with me
[16:32] <mneptok> oCean: see above inputline
[16:32] <oCean> as bazhang said "fuel the fire and criticize us mostly"
[16:33] <mneptok> i have, on several occasions, offered to discuss things here. i am always rebuked, and in "ad hominem" ways.
[16:33] <Tm_T> mneptok: I have noticed the similar pattern
[16:33] <mneptok> "I'll do as I please, you guys deal with it, and it's not up for discussion," seems to be the playbook.
[16:34] <oCean> very true
[20:26] <oCean> oh man
[20:47] <guntbert> hi, my edit request (yesterday) was serious: !alis ~= /#u/*u/         In my eyes my version is more instructive (with regard to alis) than the current one
[20:47] <oCean> hi guntbert
[20:47] <guntbert> !alis
[20:49] <Myrtti> guntbert: the problem with that command would be that alis would return channels that are in no way connected to the project and of which the quality we can't even know, even less guarantee
[20:50] <Myrtti> others might not share my opinion but I personally don't see the benefits of the edit
[20:50] <Jordan_U> And one which we know is of dubious quality. ( Hi log watchers :)
[20:50] <guntbert> Myrtti: true, but I want to get the point across that you can put a wildcard even at the start of your search term
[20:51] <guntbert> I have to admit I never looked through that list :)
[20:51] <guntbert> I was only talking about alis syntax
[20:55] <Jordan_U> guntbert: I think that any small benefit by showing people that patterns can start with a wildcard is outweighed by showing people channels which are not affiliated with the Ubuntu project with people who probably don't understand things like the distinction between # channels and ##channels.
[20:55] <oCean> in that case we could include another example? Like  <sed> /$/ or *http*/
[20:56] <guntbert> oCean: definitely a much better idea :-)
[20:57] <oCean> I think it's helpful, Jordan_U, Myrtti ?
[20:58] <guntbert> !alis ~= +$+ or /msg alis list *http*+
[21:00] <guntbert> nice, ubottu thanks me in private even if I make the request here in the channel - she is so considerate :)
[21:02] <Jordan_U> I kind of liked #ubuntu* as it's immediately useful for a lot of users. Though I'm not set on it.
[21:03] <Jordan_U> guntbert: Have you seen many people who didn't realize that wildcards could go anywhere?
[21:03] <oCean> Jordan_U: the alis factoid is often given to users who are looking for other channels
[21:03] <oCean> I actually think it's a good idea to show that other search options are available
[21:03] <Jordan_U> oCean: True.
[21:04] <Jordan_U> I'm convinced.
[21:04] <guntbert> well, I'll leave it to you - thx for your time
[21:06]  * oCean shrugs
[21:06] <oCean> !alis ~= +$+ or /msg alis list *http*+
[21:06] <oCean> !alis


[15:29] <dholbach> balloons, I guess we need to start the promotion in a bit - shall I do FB and Twitter?
[15:29] <balloons> dholbach, yes please promote away
[15:29] <dholbach> I'll start promoting in 10m - I thin that should be fine :)
[15:42] <dholbach> ok, propaganda machinery started :)
[15:47] <Butterfingers> QUESTION: I've seen an impressive demo of.
[15:49] <Butterfingers> QUESTION: I've seen an impressive demo of LibreOffice running on Ubuntu Touch. Will that mean that many iother apps should work or is it a case that each app has to be ported?
[15:55] <dholbach> hello everyone
[15:56] <dholbach> starting off in about 5 mins
[15:58] <Butterfingers> Hi dholbach
[15:59] <dholbach> hey Butterfingers
[16:03] <dholbach> having some small difficulties - hang in there
[16:03] <balloons> hey everyone.. starting in a moment :)
[16:07] <Butterfingers> I'm on BQ phone and all I see is 'please stand by. Can someone tell me when it has started so I know if I have a problem?
[16:08] <balloons> sure Butterfingers .. sorry, hangouts are not happy at the moment and it doesn't want to let us broadcast
[16:08] <balloons> bear with us
[16:08] <Butterfingers> no problem balloons
[16:09] <dholbach> but if you want, start asking questions already
[16:09] <dholbach> we'll queue them up and get to them first thing
[16:10] <dholbach> I'm afraif you will have to update ubuntuonair.com
[16:10] <dholbach> or watch at http://www.youtube.com/embed/k0BBBMU6D9c
[16:10] <aquarius> is there supposed to be a community Q&A?
[16:10] <balloons> yes, please feel free to ask questions
[16:10] <dholbach> sorry aout that
[16:11] <balloons> aquarius, yes some tech issues but we'll be live in a moment
[16:11] <mhall119> balloons: we had this happen a few times last week, you might need to delete this hangout and create a new one
[16:11] <balloons> please reload the page if you could
[16:11] <aquarius> no worries; I thought maybe I'd missed it, especially since the G+ post said 1500UTC which was an hour ago :)
[16:12] <mhall119> balloons: you're good now, I see you
[16:12] <aquarius> and ubuntuonair says 1700UTC, which is an hour from now ;)
[16:12] <aquarius> woo balloons!
[16:12] <Butterfingers> I've reloades but still don't see anything...
[16:12] <Butterfingers> oh, now I do!
[16:12] <mhall119> Butterfingers: crtl-reload?
[16:12] <mhall119> \o/
[16:12] <Butterfingers> :)
[16:14] <dholbach> keep your questions coming, prefix them with QUESTION: and we'll answer them in no time
[16:15] <balloons> glad it's working finally :)
[16:15] <mhall119> dholbach: Rodrigo
[16:16] <mhall119> was the guy from Bq
[16:16] <aquarius> he's cool, the Bq bloke.
[16:17] <dragon77> QUESTION:will snappy support dnymic linking?i.e two applications share a single library.I heard you are working on some kind of memory deduplication that will try to emulate this behaviour.
[16:17] <kaka2kaka> i was not getting network on linux 14.04
[16:18] <dragon77> *dynamic linking
[16:20] <balloons> keep your questions coming, prefix them with QUESTION: and we'll get them answered :-)
[16:21] <balloons> Butterfingers, I didn't miss yours, I'll take it next :-)
[16:22] <mhall119> QUESTION: have either of you played with Snappy and/or Ubuntu Core yet? If so, what did you do?
[16:24] <kaka2kaka> no one answer my question too bab iam leaving
[16:26] <aquarius> QUESTION: I know balloons did some stuff demoing fat packages a while back; has there been any movement on that so we don't have to glue them together by hand? (I may have missed it at UOS.)
[16:27] <davmor2> aquarius: pretty sure there was a session at uos
[16:27] <dragon77> QUESTION:Does Mark Shuttleworth ever randomly come into your one of Canonical's offices,look over someone's shoulder when he is working and say something like:This is cool!
[16:27] <aquarius> happy to watch it if so; that's why I asked the question :)
[16:28] <mhall119> dragon77: most of us don't work at an office
[16:28] <mhall119> if Mark randomly showed up at my house, that's would get awkward
[16:28] <dragon77> oh well...just wanted to get a feel of your corporate culture.
[16:29] <mhall119> dragon77: it's about like that, only over the internet
[16:29] <dragon77> I knew a lot of you worked over the net.But I did not know most of you do.
[16:30] <dragon77> sorry if the question was inapropriate
[16:30] <mhall119> dragon77: the question was fine, no worries
[16:31] <mhall119> Mark gets interested in the details of things quite often, so if we were all in an office I would expect that to happen pretty often
[16:34] <dragon77> cool
[16:34] <balloons> here's the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1398104
[16:37] <Levan> What is your stance on pie ?
[16:38] <Levan> I am asking the community not the ubuntu staff
[16:39] <mhall119> most canonical staff are community members too
[16:39] <balloons> Levan, pie?
[16:39] <aquarius> balloons, I do know the SDK folks, but I'm busy burning all my credit with them on getting them to build the Ubuntu Component Store, so they're sick of hearing from me ;)
[16:39] <mhall119> I am +1 for pie
[16:39] <aquarius> I like pie
[16:39] <dragon77> which pie?
[16:39] <Levan> balloons yes pie
[16:39] <mhall119> pecan
[16:39] <balloons> aquarius, ahh right! that's a cool idea and I was glad to see the session again at UOS
[16:39] <dragon77> pie is good
[16:39] <Levan> aquarius what flavor
[16:40] <balloons> apple pear pie is my personal favorite
[16:40] <aquarius> lemon meringue. Or steak and kidney.
[16:40] <Levan> So we all agree Pie is good ??
[16:40] <dragon77> pie is fine
[16:40] <aquarius> am I being set up for a joke punchline here?
[16:40] <mhall119> I do hope so
[16:41] <balloons> any other questions?
[16:41] <Levan> aquarius you ruined everything we are not friends anymore :(
[16:41] <mhall119> lol
[16:41] <aquarius> skills.
[16:42] <Levan> :D
[16:43] <Butterfingers> QUESTION: What has customer deesback been like for thw phone? Any areas that emerged that need attention? for mepersonally, the notificarion area is a little xumbersome
[16:43] <Butterfingers> But overall I love the phone and my iPhone 5 is for sale currently :)
[16:45] <Levan> QUESTION - What is the best operating system of course second to Windows 98 [Jono bacon agrees with this]
[16:45] <dragon77> QUESTION:How long do you plan to continue to support nexus devices?
[16:46] <mhall119> Levan: everything Jono says since he left us is wrong :)
[16:47] <aquarius> QUESTION: about QA. do you have a zillion failing acceptance tests? There should be, surely, a whole bunch of tests checking things like pasting into the web browser, which *doesn't* work at the moment but *should*... who establishes when these user features are actually fixed to be working? (LP bugs check the tech stuff, but not the actual user experience.)
[16:47] <Levan> mhall119 said this when he was still part of canonical staff
[16:47] <mhall119> aquarius: pasting into the browser's URL input, or pasting into a webpage form?
[16:47] <mhall119> Levan: well, 80% of what he said while he was here was wrong :)
[16:48] <Butterfingers> People only love Win 98 because the were in college listening to Win Amp while writing prank apps oj their lexturers and classmates :) Thankfully it'll be Ubuntu in a lot of colleges/universities these days.
[16:49] <aquarius> mhall119, into a webpage form. But that's just an example -- think of all the things that are UX issues on the phone. It's hard to know when they're fixed -- coding teams say "woo we fixed this LP bug", but that doesn't actually confirm that the UX is better. I wonder if there should be lots of tests for that stuff, which correctly fail right now?
[16:49] <The_Entire_Inter> QUESTION. I may have missed this but has there been any word on how scopes will be done on the snappy desktop?
[16:50] <Levan> mhall119 so you want to tell me that windows 98 is not the best os EVER blashphemous
[16:50] <aquarius> mhall119, but that's why I'm asking balloons about it, because he's a QA expert and I'm not :P
[16:51] <aquarius> ooh, selenium can drive webbrowser-app? didn't realise anyone had done a bridge for that.
[16:51] <aquarius> might take a look at that then :)
[16:51] <balloons> aquarius, indeed. fire up the sdk and start a new html5 app. you'll see the goodies in the template
[16:52] <aquarius> sweet.
[16:52] <aquarius> although I hate selenium with the heat of a thousand suns. But lots of people do not ;)
[16:53] <balloons> aquarius, :p
[16:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Will ubuntu touch keep a big focus on lower end hardware and will it be much better for low end phones then current versions of android?
[16:54] <mhall119> TheEntireInterne: scopes will be snappy packaged
[16:54] <Levan> QUESTION - Can we/I hope that people will get office suite on ubuntu touch soon ??
[16:54] <asfasfas> QUESTION: We see that in the store appeared scopes in Chinese (ex. https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.canonical.scopes.baidupoi ). Is this shows that release of MX4 is reallllyyyy near?
[16:55] <mhall119> Levan: you mean a mobile-formfactor version of LibreOffice?
[16:55] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: When will I beable to install snappy ubuntu desktop and easily install apps such as Firefox and LibreOffice
[16:55] <Levan> mhall119 well I am talking about mobile version of some office suite
[16:56] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: 15.10 release is our target for that to all work
[16:56] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, that seems really soon
[16:56] <mhall119> Levan: so popey and I spoke with one of of the LibreOffice devs, who happens to also work for Canonical, and there's a new "core" package of LibreOffice that could be used to build an Ubuntu Touch version
[16:57] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: it certianly won't be perfect by then, but willcooke has a list of target apps to have packaged and working by then
[16:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119, ah ok :P
[16:57] <TheEntireInterne> QUESTION. Is the owncloud integration on the BQ phone any good? i.e for contacts, photos and calendar.
[16:57] <Levan> mhall119 that will be so awesome if we will get libreoffice on our phones :)
[16:58] <mhall119> Levan: it would likely be read-only, at least to start with
[16:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Levan, Super awesome!
[16:58] <mhall119> this is the library that powers their new Android version, which isn't quite as fully featured as the desktop version
[16:58] <Levan> mhall119 well at least that will be a start I can't have a phone that can't handle office files :(
[17:00] <Levan> eh! повторение мать учения and  გამეორება ცოდნის დედაა
[17:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION Are there more plans for syncing/intergreation, like from ubuntuone or other services?
[17:02] <Levan> QUESTION  Why did you jump over my beautifully formulated os question ? because you agree with my statement about windows 98 and are being opressed by Mark not to talk about Windows dominance ?
[17:02] <Levan> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:02] <Levan> WINDOWS 98 FTW
[17:02] <Levan> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:02] <Levan> I will get band for this right ? :D
[17:03] <ChloeWolfieGirl> I really can't wait to see a sweet mobile version of LibreOffice on the OnePlus One running ubuntu touch xD
[17:03] <aquarius> cheers, chaps!
[17:04] <Butterfingers> THANK YOU
[17:04] <dholbach> thanks guys! :-)
[17:04] <balloons> thanks everyone
[17:04] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thanksies x3
[17:04] <balloons> ChloeWolfieGirl, of course! anything you wish to see specifically?>
[17:05] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, if you mean syncing, yeah theres like contacts apps for ubuntu touch and ubuntu desktop but you can't seem to sync them via ubuntu one which I'd rather sync them via then google xD
[17:06] <balloons> ChloeWolfieGirl, ahh right. Yes syncing is something we'll leave to others, as ubuntu one itself doesn't do syncing anymore. It's merely an sso provider
[17:06] <balloons> so if there was another sync service you liked that wasn't supported . . .
[17:06] <balloons> someone mentioned owncloud, which is a great idea
[17:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, I thought syncing was something ubuntu one was going to do more but it wont do file syncing?
[17:08] <balloons> ChloeWolfieGirl, ubuntu one syncing was shut down; 2 years ago or more now?
[17:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, I use riseup email which does contacts, but I can't think of anything popular other then google and owncloud that does contact syncing.
[17:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, Yeah but I thought that was only for file syncing, I didn't think that included contacts etc
[17:11] <balloons> ahh, sadly yes
[17:14] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, Aww, fair enough, I hope in the future contact syncing comes back via UbuntuOne, or hopefully firefox does a contact syncing thing in the near future that Canonical could use.
[17:16] <balloons> ChloeWolfieGirl, yep. if there's a provider you like who does it, I'm sure support could be added. Especially if it was more open than the alternatives. We like open services :-)
[17:16] <balloons> "We" as in the open source community in general.. There ideals likely align with yours
[17:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> balloons, yeah xD I hope that a good one that has many users comes soon, I know vivaldi has a contacts thing in the browser and I know firefox have a phone so firefox might end up wanting to add contacts to there browser and if they do that then it'd be open and I'd love to use that over google.
[17:25] <aikidouke> QUESTION: How do packages like non-free drivers get handled in a Snappy world? Is it any different?
[17:25] <aikidouke> (if you want to try to say the nick, its EYE-KEY-Dough-OOKAY)
[23:15] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> say xD
[23:15] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> xD
[23:15] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> lol
[23:15] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> :P
[23:16] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> just from Minecraft! :P
[23:16] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> yo!?!?!
[23:17] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> You guys on
[23:17] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> line
[23:17] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> xD
[23:18] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> Hello?
[23:18] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[23:18] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> oops
[23:18] <Ubuntu_14_04_Min> wrong terminal XD