[00:01] <ScottK> Kmail seems much faster.  Maybe that's related to Akonadi failing to start.
[00:03] <Riddell> ScottK: did you get akonadi errors?
[00:04] <ScottK> I did.
[00:04] <ScottK> I filed a bug about it too.
[00:04] <ScottK> Usual failed to start stuff, but it claimed another process was already running, so maybe it started twice.
[00:09] <Riddell> we could probably do with more people who test kontact
[00:15] <ScottK> Maybe I'll switch to Kontact when the new laptop comes.  It's got a little bigger screen.
[00:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer's is still bigger though and I'm completely comfortable with admitting that.
[08:19] <rbelem> ping Riddell
[08:21] <valorie> hi rbelem
[08:21] <valorie> how is life as a daddy?
[08:21] <rbelem> hi valorie :-)
[08:21] <rbelem> valorie, it is going fine :-)
[08:21] <valorie> I'm glad to hear that
[08:21] <rbelem> valorie, he is groing so fast...
[08:21] <valorie> new babies are so fun, but also exhausting
[08:22] <valorie> exhausting
[08:22] <valorie> they do that
[08:22] <rbelem> that's true, i've been sleeping much less since he born
[08:23] <valorie> you won't miss it later -- it is so worth it
[08:23] <valorie> I do remember how tired i was, though
[08:23] <rbelem> but my wife is much more exhausted than me
[08:23] <valorie> yep
[08:23] <valorie> that's why you young people are the ones having the babies
[08:23] <valorie> lol
[08:24] <rbelem> :-D
[08:24] <Tm_T> valorie: young?!
[08:24]  * Tm_T hides
[08:24] <valorie> I'm too old for babies
[08:24] <valorie> literally
[08:24] <rbelem> he just wake up
[08:24] <valorie> holding them is great, then I hand them back to the parents
[08:25] <rbelem> and it is 3:24 am here
[08:25] <rbelem> :-D
[08:25] <valorie> yikes
[08:25] <Tm_T> I remember when I was young, although I don't remember much of it, anyway, a one day...
[08:25] <rbelem> that's what my mon says
[08:26] <Tm_T> rbelem: staying up all night is more fun than sleeping, every baby knows that
[08:26] <rbelem> hahahah :-D
[08:27] <rbelem> i hope soon he enjoys a good night of sleep
[08:27] <valorie> right, and you too
[08:27] <valorie> now I get wakened by my old dog
[08:28] <rbelem> hahaha
[08:28] <valorie> but at least he goes back to sleep after going out to pee
[08:28] <rbelem> you have a good dog
[08:29] <valorie> yep, good old guy
[08:29] <valorie> 16 years old
[08:29] <rbelem> wow
[08:29] <valorie> it's worth it to keep him happy while we can
[08:30] <rbelem> :-D
[08:30] <valorie> makes it hard to leave for the UDS, the Amarok Sprint, and Desktop Summit, though
[08:30] <valorie> I hope it all works out
[08:30] <valorie> :-)
[08:30] <valorie> are you coming to UDS, rbelem?
[08:31] <rbelem> i'm not sure
[08:31] <rbelem> i did not receive the sponsorship confirmation
[08:32] <valorie> it just closed yesterday
[08:32] <valorie> they make everyone wait sooooo long!
[08:32] <valorie> drives me nuts
[08:32] <rbelem> hahaha :-D
[08:33] <rbelem> uds is a really nice event
[08:33] <valorie> I loved meeting everyone
[08:33] <valorie> what an excellent team to be part of
[08:33] <rbelem> that's the best part, i think
[08:33] <valorie> right
[08:35] <rbelem> it is nice make friends and some become good friends
[08:38] <valorie> exactly
[08:39] <valorie> I think Canonical is spending their money in good ways
[08:40] <rbelem> me too
[08:40] <rbelem> canonical is a great company
[08:42] <rbelem> i hope canonical soon become one of the giants of the tecnology
[08:42] <rbelem> :-)
[08:45]  * rbelem goes to bed
[08:47] <valorie> sweet dreams, rbelem
[08:49] <bambee> morning
[10:22] <Riddell> Go go beta 1 testing! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:28] <doko> Riddell, or somebody else, please could you look at the kaffeine and kubuntu-docs build failures?
[13:28] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110329-natty.html
[13:35] <Riddell> doko: it's on my todo for after beta
[13:35] <Riddell> but maybe others here will look before
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we're looking good (except on powerpc, but that's not just us) for beta.  The only true RC bug I've seen (the kdm restart on upgrade bug) is fixed.
[14:21] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm inclined to agree although bug 745611 was nasty to come across
[14:22] <Riddell> since it's an ugly error message during install if you tick the non-free box
[14:22] <ScottK> That should be fixed with the latest ia32-libs upload I believe.
[14:23] <ScottK> I see it's now "digiKam Software Collection".
[14:24] <ScottK> Mighty fancy.
[14:24] <Riddell> picking up the least liked part of KDE branding :)
[14:26] <ScottK> I suspect it's related to their decision to embed kdegraphics code copies.
[14:27] <bambee> doko: I tried to build kaffeine with pbuilder and it builds just fine here
[14:28] <ScottK> bambee: On amd64?
[14:28] <bambee> yes
[14:29] <bambee> its builds with debuild, pbuilder and via the tradiotional way (cmake & make)
[14:31] <doko> bambee: thanks for checking :-/
[14:33] <bambee> apparently the build is parallel...
[14:34] <ScottK> You can pass -j options to pbuilder.
[14:38] <bambee> I just used one job with pbuilder
[14:38]  * bambee tries again
[14:41] <ScottK> You might try it again with -j > 1.
[14:44] <seiflotfy__> schmidtm, i will be at Randa 2011
[14:44] <seiflotfy__> ScottK, will you be there
[14:45] <ScottK> seiflotfy__: No.  Not planning on it.
[15:08] <bambee> ScottK: even with parallel jobs it builds correctly for me
[15:08] <ScottK> OK.  We so much for that theory.  Thanks for checking.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh btw, Nepomuk will be mandatory in the near future for KDE
[15:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It is already for some functions.  I just don't use them.
[15:09] <ScottK> If KDE really wants to go for small devices Nepomuk needs some serious redesign for performance.
[15:11] <Quintasan> Nepomuk on devices?
[15:12] <Quintasan> I think my Milestone would break the World's Shortest Battery Live contest with it
[15:13] <ScottK> No kidding.
[15:14] <Quintasan> Meeting's today?
[15:15] <Riddell> yes < 2 hours time
[15:16] <Quintasan> Cool
[16:33] <steveire> 17:00 UTC is in 1.5 hours, right?
[16:33] <steveire> Ah,
[16:33] <steveire> Already answered. :)
[16:33]  * steveire gotta run
[16:53] <rgreening> anyone else with broken flash on amd64? I think 32bit is working (at least on Ubuntu 11.04) but 64 bit is not on my Kubuntu (11.04)
[16:53] <maco> rgreening: its known broken
[16:54] <maco> i saw someone on facebook saying "uh oh, its gonna take me all night to fix broken 64bit flash on natty"
[16:54] <rgreening> okies. well I guess I shouldnt have blasted youtube for crummy linux support/error detection :)
[16:54] <rgreening> haha
[16:54] <Riddell> steveire: it's in an hour, date -u (my mistake earlier, I'm used to living in GMT)
[16:55] <maco> Riddell: having trouble with BST?
[16:55] <Riddell> maco: off by one errors!
[16:55] <rgreening> I'll be at the meeting (hopefully). doubly booked but should be able to multi-task :)
[16:55] <shadeslayer> any ideas which package would give me GSTREAMER_INTERFACES_LIBRARY
[16:56]  * rgreening wonders how Riddel made out with usb-creator RPM land
[16:56] <rgreening> ^ Riddell
[16:56]  * rgreening kant spel ne more
[16:56] <ScottK> rgreening and maco: the latest ia32-libs upload (today) should have fixed flash.
[16:57] <rgreening> \o/
[16:57] <Riddell> rgreening: is works except for syslinux, I think the version in suse it too old
[16:57]  * rgreening cant wait to get rid of the ia32libs with multiarch
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: was that the reason rekonq didn't show videos ?
[16:58] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah. likely. you probably need to use the older usb-creator
[16:58] <rgreening> or remove the patch for the newer syslinux changes
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> meeting in 2?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> heh .. people are going crazy over here
[16:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: 1 hour
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> oops, forgot to factor for the daylight savings change...
[16:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No idea.  I clicked on the link and no video played.  I switched to an actual web browser and it worked.
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: chrome ships with it's own flashplugin iirc
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> I'll be in class in an hour, so I won't be able to make it.
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: nope, chrome relies on the same flash plugin everyone else uses
[17:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: don't think so ...
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> yup
[17:01] <shadeslayer> last i checked they shipped their own flash
[17:01] <ScottK> shadeslayer: At does.  I tried videos before I installed flash on chromium and they didn't work.
[17:01] <rgreening> google chrome uses built in, free chromium on Linux uses system flash
[17:02] <rgreening> it's built disabled or removed in chromium AFAIK
[17:02] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[17:02] <rgreening> :)
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> it was whining at me for my flash being out of date last week
[17:03] <JontheEchidna> good I guess since it was a release that fixed security vulnerabilities
[17:03] <shadeslayer> bah .. broken archive
[17:05] <valorie> meeting here, or #ubuntu-meeting?
[17:07] <Riddell> valorie: in #ubuntu-meeting in an hour
[17:08] <Riddell> although we could just have it now if we're all expecting it now
[17:08] <Riddell> ScottK: were you able to connect to the network after upgrade?
[17:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[17:09] <valorie> damn, it is 17:00 UT now, isn't it?
[17:09] <ScottK> I had to log into a VT and finish the upgrade by hand though.
[17:09] <ScottK> I think we should stick with the advertised time.
[17:09] <Riddell> valorie: 16:09:45 UTC now
[17:10] <valorie> oh, fail
[17:10] <valorie> alrighty
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> valorie: I made the same mistake :P
[17:58] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:01] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[18:01] <Riddell> rgreening: poke
[18:08] <ScottK> Riddell: It would be really good to have a pim person at UDS ...
[18:26] <steveire_> ScottK: The nepomuk issue - It is much faster with the latest soprano etc.
[18:26] <ScottK> I keep hearing that.  We'll see.
[18:27] <Riddell> ahem, votes...
[18:27] <ScottK> The biggest problem is it bogs down the system by demanding lots of resources all at once.
[18:32] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:32] <shadeslayer> steveire_: there's a new virtuoso as well
[18:32] <bambee> have I to do a feature freeze exception request for qzeitgeist ? (I mean, we want get it into archives.. right ?)
[18:34] <steveire_> ScottK: Yeah, there was some broken idle detection, but that seems to work now.
[18:34] <steveire_> We'll test it out and see. :)
[18:34] <ScottK> Good to hear.
[18:35] <ScottK> bambee: You do.
[18:35] <ScottK> (if you want it in)
[18:36] <bambee> ScottK: it's required by phonon 4.5.0... I suppose we want phonon it in... so...
[18:36] <bambee> :)
[18:36] <ScottK> I don't know if we've decided that.
[18:36] <bambee> that's why I am asking :)
[19:05] <neversfelde> Riddell: I read the backlog and I am +1 for steveire becoming a member
[19:07] <apachelogger> hm
[19:07] <apachelogger> didn't we write down rules for voting quorum and stuff
[19:11] <valorie> I think Riddell will sum up and take it to the list
[19:11]  * tazz needs the meeting logs.
[19:12] <ScottK> We did
[19:12] <ScottK> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMaverickCouncil
[19:17] <yofel> tazz: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/30/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t17:58
[19:19] <tazz> ah ok /me was looking in the wrong place https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[19:26] <nigelb> apachelogger: ping
[19:27] <nigelb> Riddell_: erm, any news of those postcards?
[19:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: not very precise is it now ^^
[19:30] <apachelogger> nigelb: pong
[19:30] <nigelb> apachelogger: are you working on any app currently?
[19:30] <apachelogger> define app
[19:30] <nigelb> apachelogger: I'm looking for someone for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/LightningTalks
[19:31] <apachelogger> segfult
[19:31] <apachelogger> oh noes
[19:31] <nigelb> 5 to 6 minutes about an app you're working on.
[19:31]  * apachelogger is library developer :P
[19:31] <nigelb> show off one of the libraries then ;)
[19:31] <apachelogger> I have a talk about it already :P
[19:32] <nigelb> oh, ok.
[19:32] <apachelogger> nigelb: shadeslayer that lazy frog did not sign up for a talk....
[19:32] <nigelb> I poked him already :P
[19:32] <shadeslayer> frong?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> s/frong/frog
[19:32] <apachelogger> google frog
[19:32] <nigelb> haha
[19:32] <apachelogger> and where is me bot
[19:33] <nigelb> apachelogger: any one else you could possibly suggest with app projects?
[19:33] <apachelogger> nigelb: sure, muesli
[19:34] <nigelb> muesli: ping :)
[19:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's all we've got.
[19:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please fill out https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuCouncil and make something better.
[19:44] <debfx> we also don't have voting rules for kubuntu-dev membership
[19:45] <ScottK> That we have.
[19:46] <ScottK> debfx: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDevelopers "majority of those present and at least 3".
[19:48] <debfx> ScottK: ah right, but that doesn't cover voting on the mailing list
[19:48] <ScottK> True.
[19:57]  * nigelb hugs apachelogger
[19:57] <nigelb> It worked out :)
[20:44] <sheytan__> Riddell Riddell_ ping
[20:44]  * sheytan is in need of natty logo
[20:44] <sheytan> apachelogger ^^ can you help?  :D
[20:45] <apachelogger> what is a natty logo?
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger the narwhal one :D
[20:46]  * apachelogger still does not compute
[20:46] <yofel> we haz release logos o.O?
[20:47] <sheytan> apachelogger ubuntu makes always images for branding
[20:47] <sheytan> in this case a narwhal
[20:47] <sheytan> i need a source of that
[20:47] <sheytan> svg :D
[20:49] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[20:49] <apachelogger> sheytan: drop a mail to the canonical design team I gues
[20:50] <sheytan> it was  always on the wiki, but i can't find it ;/
[20:51] <sheytan> i hate wikis, really
[20:52]  * yofel just hates our version of moinmoin
[20:52]  * apachelogger hates pyth0rn
[20:53]  * yofel likes python, for scripts < 1000 lines
[20:54]  * yofel will kill the person that decides to invent another VCS written in pyth0rn...
[20:56] <shadeslayer> hahah
[21:01] <apachelogger> uh, that sounds like fun?
[21:01] <apachelogger> where can I get it?
[21:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: your diaspora is weird. you are the only one with a @joindiaspora for your name, everyone else just has their name:P
[21:38] <shadeslayer> lolwot
[21:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: i'm special
[21:39] <jussi> speshial?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[21:39] <jussi> :P
[21:39] <tsimpson> speshial is a super special form of special, so you *know* it's super special :)
[21:45] <shadeslayer> jussi: check now
[21:46] <shadeslayer> bug fix0red
[21:46] <jussi> awww, not speshial anymore
[21:46] <shadeslayer> jussi: thanks for reporting and making my profile better
[21:46] <jussi> :D
[21:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:46] <apachelogger> I once had a profile


[06:04] <JackYu> smartboyhw, hi
[06:05] <JackYu> smartboyhw, on holiday?
[06:33] <smartboyhw> JackYu, it's Sunday....
[06:34] <JackYu> smartboyhw, no National Day in HK?
[06:34] <smartboyhw> JackYu, huh? That holiday was over by ages
[06:35] <smartboyhw> We only have 1 day
[06:35] <JackYu> oh... We have 7 days, lol
[06:39] <smartboyhw> JackYu, do look at the logs in #ubuntu-devel today (use irclogs.ubuntu.com), it seems you guys have absolutely wrong VCS practices:P
[06:40] <JackYu> smartboyhw, really? let me see...
[07:32] <smartboyhw> JackYu, speaking of "the test", see if I can pass it:P
[07:33] <JackYu> smartboyhw, it's easy for you:)
[07:33] <smartboyhw> JackYu, who knows;)
[14:01] <smartboyhw> maclin, how's preparation for UbuntuKylin 13.10?
[14:03] <maclin> smartboyhw, there still exists some small bugs, we hope to fix them before the final release:)
[14:06] <maclin> the test cases we merge into manual-tests branch have not synced to qatracker. I will ask balloons help to confirm it this evening
[14:12] <smartboyhw> maclin, this evening?
[14:13] <maclin> smartboyhw, balloons said I should be capable assigning the tests, but I don't know how to do it.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Tomorrow evening makes more sense:P
[14:14] <smartboyhw> maclin, you should never expect balloons to turn up on Saturdays and Sundays (his time)
[14:14] <maclin> smartboyhw, yes, I forget this is Sunday ^_^
[14:14] <smartboyhw> maclin, LOL
[14:18] <maclin> we are still in National Day vacation which makes us mindless of weekend:)
[14:22] <smartboyhw> maclin, we only have one day of National Day vacation...


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[00:06] <nealmcb> AtomicSpark: you mean ".local"?
[00:07] <nealmcb> sounds like avahi at work?
[00:07] <nealmcb> which is unlikely to work for mail....
[00:19] <AtomicSpark> nealmcb, yes. i think it only asked me when i manually set up ip settings. i missed it and it used dhcp.
[00:20] <AtomicSpark> also we use google aps for our email service. is there a way to set up the mail server to just send messages through that? i believe i did this before with exchange.
[00:57] <AtomicSpark> yup it's the router. heh. it actully works better if everything is dhcp and then i set the server's addy with static dhcp. then the router has the hostname.
[00:57] <AtomicSpark> mm tomatos
[00:58] <AtomicSpark> also i can set the "domain" on the fly ;)
[01:31] <AtomicSpark> yay?
[01:32] <mralphabet> duh?
[01:32] <AtomicSpark> lols with the unix passwd sync for samba, it didn't make me set the smbpasswd for one user but it did the other.
[01:32] <AtomicSpark> funny indeed
[01:44] <docta_v> does the dhcpd that ships with ubuntu support ldap?
[02:01] <AtomicSpark> docta_v, i'm sure there is a way to configure it. not sure what you mean by support ldap.
[02:10] <mathiaz> zul: you may wanna check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quagga/+bug/176015
[02:11] <mathiaz> zul: there seems to be a regression there.
[03:00] <lamont> jdstrand: you had some comments re bind9?
[03:00] <lamont> from a meeting today?
[03:00] <lamont> you still around?
[03:14] <Navop> Can someone look at my error i get in syslog http://pastebin.com/d3d4c0f1c ,trying to start bind
[03:16] <Navop> can't get bind to start it always says [fail]
[03:17] <jiqiren> Navop: looks like permission problem
[03:18] <jiqiren> who owns the file /var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf? what are the permissions?
[03:18] <Navop> I followed the steps in "The perfect server" found on page 4
[03:19] <Navop> right hear http://howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts-p4
[03:19] <jiqiren> Navop: i don't know what you are refering to, but i can see the error, you don't have permissions correct on that file
[03:19] <jiqiren> or a parent directory has permissions wrong
[03:19] <Navop> follow link, go to dns server
[03:19] <jiqiren> i don't need to read those instruction to tell you what your problem is
[03:20] <Navop> new at this, sorry
[03:22] <jiqiren> you have a permission problem, so you need to figure out why named can't read that file
[03:23] <donspaulding> can sysklogd output to an arbitrary program on its stdin ?
[03:23] <hotmonkeyluv> is there a patch of some sort so that ubuntu server will take advantage of more than 2 cores to the fullest? on htop proc1 is 100% and 2,3,4 are all 1-20%
[03:24] <Navop> jiqiren: will look at the step one at a time and figure out where i went wrong
[03:25] <jiqiren> Navop: is there a "bind" user on your server?
[03:28] <Navop> edited file bind9 so it will run as the unpriviledge user bind, chrooted /var/lib/named
[03:37] <Navop> jiqiren: just re-booted system works fine
[03:50] <gregbrady> Why is it in Open Office Calc that when I try to open a file via sftp, I am asked for my password a couple of times and then get a "General Internet Error"?  Is it not possible to work on a file remotely via sftp?
[04:04] <FreeBullets> hello
[04:34] <nealmcb> elapsed time - 16 seconds....
[04:40] <hotmonkeyluv> how can I make more lines of text fit on the screen when in cli mode?
[04:41] <hotmonkeyluv> I get this shiny, new, expensive monitor, and it looks like i'm in 230x320
[04:58] <lucent> hotmonkeyluv: like on a virtual console?
[04:58] <hotmonkeyluv> no, like when you log in
[05:21] <dennister> ok, looking for some advice here: i have a pc-refurbishing-with-ubuntu hobby (nonprofit/charity; just me for now) and need an accounting and inventory module/program
[05:22] <dennister> was using sql-ledger, but it's a very dangerous program...what i can see as available as a subsitute is tinyerp or egroupware, both of which are very large programs/suites, for large organizations
[05:22] <dennister> does anyone have experience with these, or a suggestion for something else to install on my ubuntu servers?
[05:23] <hads> How is sql-ledger dangerous?
[05:23] <dennister> you're allowed to delete things, and loa and behold, when you do, functions like 'backup' don't work anymore
[05:24] <hads> I see. I haven't used either of those alternative solutions you mentioned about but Postbooks is another one to add to your list.
[05:24] <dennister> worked days to get it installed with very sparse documentation, had a whole inventory setup, and bang! couldn't backup
[05:24] <dennister> Postbooks?
[05:25] <dennister> not in synaptic i see
[05:25] <hads> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postbooks
[05:26] <hads> I haven't used that either, just heard mention of it at the last conference I was at.
[05:26] <dennister> sql-ledger should be removed from the repositories i think...one developer who wants to keep documentation poor and secrutiy holes present so people run into trouble, and pay him for support/documentation
[05:28] <dennister> hads: what type of conference?
[05:28] <hads> linux.conf.au
[05:28] <dennister> i'm looking around on their site now...ahh, i see
[05:30] <dennister> ledgersmb is a fork of sql-ledger (both Canadian, like me) born out of a desire to improve documentation and security issues of sql-ledger, very similar still, but quite frankly, so similar i'm now scared off
[05:31] <dennister> and their site says...download deb package from sourceforge'....but there is no deb package
[05:31] <dennister> doesn't inspire one with confidence
[05:33] <jiqiren> dennister: you are either going to pay with your labor - or buy some kind of commercial software, personally I'd just buy Quickbooks or pay into one of those online accounting packages
[05:34] <hads> Quickbooks? They have a Linux version now?
[05:35] <jiqiren> hads: of course not!
[05:35] <hads> That's an odd recommendation in this channel then :)
[05:35] <dennister> jiqiren: well i paid with my labour re sql-ledger...i'm retired now with my disabilities, so do have time
[05:37] <jiqiren> dennister: I keep accounts for a private organization myself with very very low budget. I use pen, paper, and filing cabinet.
[05:37] <dennister> I just want something more solid, and something where i can export data if possible, instead of beign stuck with buggy, unusable software that i can't even backup...quickbooks makes you pay$ just to access your own data
[05:38] <dennister> jiqiren: are you an accountant?
[05:38] <jiqiren> dennister: I'm a dba
[05:38] <hads> dennister: You might get better help in #ubuntu since it's more of a desktop type question.
[05:39] <dennister> ahhhhhh...dba's are similar to accountants in some ways...i used to work in HR :-)
[05:40] <dennister> hads: yes, i was in here earlier getting some excellent assistance with samba in hardy, and forgot to log out :)
[05:41] <dennister> jiqiren: b4 i go...i'm a big admirerer of pen & paper people...you really have to know what you're doing then...unfortunately, I can't read my own writing anymore :-)
[05:41] <dennister> g'night all
[06:26] <Owninizer346> hey everone
[06:28] <Owninizer_> hello everyone
[07:23] <fotoflo> hey, im running ubuntu server, i heard the desktop version can automaticly recognize my printer, but how do i get it to work from the server? (with samba as the obvious next step)
[07:50] <stiv2k_> Help, I am at a remote location from my server, and it seems to somehow have gone down.
[07:50] <stiv2k_> I can't SSH to it or anything.
[07:51] <stiv2k_> I can SSH into my router and ping the server from there however, and it seems to be up ?!?!
[07:51] <stiv2k_> But I cannot SSH or telnet into the server itself from any port, anywhere.
[07:51] <stiv2k_> Any ideas?
[07:52] <HS-L> has your server an external ip address?
[07:52] <stiv2k_> No, it's behind my NAT router -- but all the ports are forwarded.
[07:53] <hads> Try testing the services to see if they are responding.
[07:54] <HS-L> well,.. probably not 100% correctly if you can connect from the router and not from the external location it's most likely a nat problem.
[07:54] <stiv2k_> hads: what exactly do you mean by "testing" and "services" ?
[07:54] <stiv2k_> HS-L: No, I said I can ping the server from the router, I can't connect to anything.
[07:54] <HS-L> telnetting to other services than ssh
[07:54] <hads> Well, what does your server do? HTTP? SMTP?
[07:54] <stiv2k_> hads: It does a lot.
[07:54] <hads> OK
[07:55] <HS-L> telnet serveraddress portnumber_service
[07:55] <HS-L> see if it responds
[07:55] <stiv2k_> hads: I already said, I can't access it on any port from anywhere
[07:55] <hads> OK then.
[07:56] <stiv2k_> Not even from the router.
[07:56] <kraut> moin
[07:57] <stiv2k_> The ONLY thing it is responding to is ping (from my router)...
[07:58] <HS-L> and are you sure that your server has that ip address?
[07:58] <stiv2k_> yes
[07:58] <stiv2k_> it's statically assigned to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:03] <stiv2k_> please help, I need to get my server back online
[08:03] <hads> People are trying, attitude helps a lot.
[08:04] <stiv2k_> hmm?
[08:04] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: sounds like some problem in your router
[08:04] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: may be port forwarding rules are missing
[08:04] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: Then why can't I telnet to the server from the router?
[08:04] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: can you telnet to services fromyour router?
[08:05] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: No.
[08:05] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: I tried rebooting the router remotely... no difference.
[08:05] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: so you may blocked all ports in server it self (iptables rules)
[08:06] <soren> stiv2k_: Is noone around that can go and see what's on the console?
[08:06] <stiv2k_> soren: nope
[08:06] <hads> nmap the server see if it's offering any services, if not it may have hung.
[08:06] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: any KVM like system available?
[08:06] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: I don't think it has iptables... though i'm not sure
[08:06] <soren> stiv2k_: And noone can reboot it?
[08:06] <stiv2k_> nope
[08:06] <soren> Wel, then you're screwed.
[08:06] <stiv2k_> Ugh... shit
[08:06] <soren> If you can't connect to it and noone can reset it, what's left to do?
[08:06] <stiv2k_> I wont be able to go to reboot it until sunday
[08:07] <stiv2k_> I just dont understand how it could have happened in the first place
[08:07] <soren> stiv2k_: What's it running?
[08:07] <stiv2k_> It was working fine, I was in an SSH session using irssi and streaming music
[08:07] <hads> There's so many reasons.
[08:07] <stiv2k_> then all of a sudden it just stopped.
[08:07] <stiv2k_> soren: various services, HTTP, SMTP, IMAP, MySQL, IRC, NTP, SSH, BOINC...
[08:07] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: it is a sevrer or your home/office PC?
[08:07] <soren> stiv2k_: Which OS?
[08:08] <stiv2k_> ubuntu
[08:08] <soren> ...breezy?
[08:08] <stiv2k_> it was 8.04 but I hadn't rebooted it since about 85 days ago
[08:08] <stiv2k_> so it never rebooted after the release-upgrade
[08:08] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: its a personal server in my apartment, nothing commercial.
[08:09] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: there might be some power/hw failue, the system rebooted, and endup in some boot time blocking errors, which is responding to icmp, but no services running
[08:10] <soren> if you ask the right kind of people (or the wrong kind, depending on how you look at it), I'm sure you can hire someone to break into your apartment and press the reset button. Possibly steal a few things, too, but hey...
[08:10] <hads> Or heat, or bad memory, or...
[08:10] <stiv2k_> Ugh
[08:10] <stiv2k_> that seems so implausible
[08:10] <hads> heh
[08:10] <Ali_ix> soren: nice soloution :)
[08:10] <stiv2k_> it's been running perfectly for over 1 year now
[08:10] <soren> stiv2k_: What's implausible?
[08:11] <Ali_ix> impossible may be!
[08:11] <stiv2k_> soren: how do hardware failures just happen like that
[08:11] <soren> Hahah!
[08:11] <soren> How else do you think it happens?
[08:11] <hads> By definition.
[08:11] <stiv2k_> I dont know.
[08:11] <stiv2k_> dammit, I really need to access it
[08:11] <soren> Do you think it sends you a letter that it'll fail sometime within the next few weeks, so you'd better replace something?
[08:11] <stiv2k_> soren: I wish.
[08:11]  * hads giggles
[08:11] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: do you have any UPS or Stablizer there?
[08:12] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: No UPS.
[08:12] <soren> It might just have kernel paniced.
[08:12] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: so power failure is possible
[08:12] <stiv2k_> soren: I hope so... I wish there was a way to reset the damn thing.
[08:12] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: yes but it responds to ICMP PING
[08:12] <soren> stiv2k_: 1-800-BURGLAR
[08:12] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: so I'd like to rule it out
[08:13] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: if it is so important you can user advanced server equipments, like APC panels or some KVM systems
[08:13] <stiv2k_> Ali_ix: how would KVM work remotely?
[08:13] <hads> IP
[08:13] <Ali_ix> stiv2k_: like which most Datacenters provide for servers
[08:13] <HS-L> Ali_ix: you mean some kind of IPMI card?
[08:14] <hads> An IP addressable KVM or the likes.
[08:14] <Ali_ix> HS-L: i just worked with such things remotely, dont know actually teh hardware
[08:16] <HS-L> ah ok, in my servers i've got ipmi cards, that's sort of a ehhhh.. console via IP, but it can reset the power too
[08:16] <Ali_ix> more info: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-freebsd-ipmi-login-session.html
[08:17] <Ali_ix> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/kvm-over-ip.html
[08:21] <lucent> kvm over IP eh?
[08:22] <lucent> I've never seen that in action
[08:22] <lucent> it's been 2 years since I worked in a datacenter though
[08:22] <fotoflo> hmm how do i setup CUPS on ubuntu server?
[08:23] <fotoflo> or is that not what i need to get my HP all in one officejet working?
[08:23] <lucent> fotoflo: which model?
[08:23] <fotoflo> 5608
[08:24] <stiv2k_> hpijs
[08:24] <Ali_ix> fotoflo: did you tried hplip drivers?
[08:24] <lucent> if it's supported and USB, you should be able to just plug it in and it will be there for you to use
[08:24] <fotoflo> on ubuntu server?
[08:24] <lucent> if that's not happening for you, then there's more work to be done
[08:24] <lucent> oh
[08:24] <lucent> apt-get install cupsys non?
[08:25] <lucent> I was thinking of Ubuntu Desktop
[08:25] <lucent> got mixed up there
[08:25] <fotoflo> apt-get install cupsys ?
[08:25] <lucent> yeah
[08:25] <fotoflo>   Temporary failure resolving 'cn.archive.ubuntu.com'
[08:25] <fotoflo> :(
[08:25] <fotoflo> wtf?
[08:25] <stiv2k_> China?
[08:26] <lucent> what would be really neat is a KVM device that inlines with ethernet, for home and SOHO use
[08:26] <fotoflo> ok it resolved
[08:26] <fotoflo> odd
[08:27] <fotoflo> ok, once cups is installed, then it should automaticly recoginze my printer?\
[08:27] <fotoflo> do i need HPLIP?
[08:27] <fotoflo> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main cupsys 1.2.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> [2253kB]
[08:27] <fotoflo> Err http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libpaper1 1.1.14ubuntu8
[08:27] <fotoflo>   Temporary failure resolving 'cn.archive.ubuntu.com'
[08:27] <fotoflo> wierd, cn.archive seems to be going up and down
[08:48] <fotoflo> ok, ive got cups installed, hwo do i test my printer?
[08:48] <fotoflo> how do i know if it recognized it?
[08:52] <fotoflo> ok, ive got cups installed, how can i test my printer?
[08:54] <phil^> try http://localhost:631/
[08:58] <fotoflo> hey, it works
[08:58] <fotoflo> unfortuatly i only have lynx on that machine...
[08:58] <fotoflo> and its not accepting connections from outside
[09:09] <lucent> fotoflo:   echo "Hi I am a test" | lp -dPrinterName
[09:09] <lucent> I think?
[09:12] <fotoflo> phil: any idea how i can get that web thing to accept connections from a specified IP?
[09:12] <lucent> /etc/cups/somethingorother
[09:12] <lucent> there's a series of permit/deny lines
[09:13] <lucent> it may or may not be listening on lo0, would check /etc/default/cupsys or something too
[09:13] <lucent> those are generic ideas for debian based installs
[09:13] <lucent> I have *no* idea about what Ubuntu does
[09:13] <lucent> sorry, "lo"  versus "eth0"  not "lo0"
[09:14] <fotoflo> . /etc/default/cupsys
[09:14] <fotoflo> is empty
[09:14] <lucent> probably okay then
[09:14] <fotoflo> theres a
[09:15] <fotoflo> . /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf with a Listen localhost:631
[09:15] <fotoflo> line
[09:16] <fotoflo> i added Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631
[09:16] <fotoflo> and i can get in, but only to the first page
[09:17] <fotoflo> and there is serious latency
[09:17] <fotoflo> i get a 403 if i try anything but the index\
[09:18] <fotoflo> Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing). /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz describes the details and how to reenable it again.
[09:18] <fotoflo> looking good
[09:22] <fotoflo> hmm, followed the advice (added cups to the list of users able to read the group shadow) and restarted cups still forbidden
[09:30] <phil^> fotoflo: is <IP_ADDRESS> your servers ip or is it the client from which you want to access?
[09:30] <fotoflo> server ip
[09:31] <owh> Have you ever seen a situation where an email that is being redirected with a .forward into a script terminates midway through the delivery. I can see the message arriving, I can see the script processing about 25%, then I see the message delivered and the connection from the sender closing. The script stops and does not finish.
[09:35] <phil^> fotoflo: actually I never tried to make the webinterface accessible from the outside
[09:35] <fotoflo> maybe it would be easier just to setup a sshtunnel and access from localhost
[09:36] <fotoflo> ... would that work?
[09:38] <owh> Some background: I'm processing incoming email with a PHP script. The mail server is postfix. It's running Hardy. If I cat an email message to the PHP script as the user who's mail this is, all works as expected.
[09:39] <lucent> fotoflo: you're doing it wrong.
[09:39] <lucent> "Listen" is where the daemon listens
[09:39] <lucent> it must be "Localhost" or the IP address of an interface on THAT MACHINE
[09:40] <lucent> per the manual page
[09:40] <fotoflo> right, the server is localhost, i used its own ip address to listen on
[09:40] <lucent> check around for an example of allowing /admin connections to specific IPs
[09:40] <lucent> what's really sad is that CUPS doesn't accepd CIDR syntax
[09:41] <hads> owh: PHP has a script timeout, perhaps you're hitting that?
[09:41] <lucent> so you're stuck if you want to produce a subnet access to the machine
[09:41] <owh> hads: According to syslog the script runs in under 1 second.
[09:42] <hads> owh: Guess not then :)
[09:42] <fotoflo> Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631  < that IP is eth0
[09:42] <owh> hads: Well, I did start thinking if some previous administrator set it to something stupid low.
[09:43] <Asad2005> i have my system 8.04 server with raid installed in a 2 GB CF card how can i take an image of the system with out shut down as a full back up including grub
[09:47] <Deeps> dd?
[09:47] <fotoflo> i got it to accept connections, but only with major lag and admin is forbidden
[09:48] <fotoflo> oh only lag on forbidden operatiosn
[09:50] <Asad2005> Deeps, can you please help me in exact command, i will replace the /dev/sd* to the one i have. I mean what figure to put for count .. etc
[09:50] <Asad2005> my drive is 2 GB
[09:50] <Deeps> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
[09:51] <Deeps> or dd if=/dev/sda of=/path/to/network/share/cf.dd.iso
[09:52] <\sh> does anyone have experience with 2x quad core opterons on hardy or dapper? :)
[09:53] <Asad2005> Deeps, thanks
[09:56] <stiv2k_> hey
[09:56] <stiv2k_> anyone still here that I was talking to earlier?
[11:05] <jdstrand> lamont: no, don't need anything in particular-- just thinking of how to manage packaging for both debian and ubuntu and remembered bind9
[11:20] <jords> I can't understand why everyone seems to think using passkeys for ssh instead of passwords is such a good idea- doesn't that just mean that anyone else who gets on my laptop can ssh to any of my servers/ cat ~/.ssh and have the
[11:21] <jords> key?
[11:29] <soren> You encrypt you passkey..
[11:29] <soren> *your
[11:30] <soren> With passwords, anyone can bruteforce their way in. With pubkey auth, only people with access to the private key can get it.
[11:30] <soren> Er.. Can get in.
[11:30] <soren> (that's what you get for typing while lunching)
[11:39] <hads> Yeah. jords; passphrase-less keys are a bad thing.
[11:45] <kirkland> owh: regarding initscripts, let's just post that patch to the list, rather than directly to the maintainer
[11:45] <owh> kirkland: Which list?
[11:45] <kirkland> good question....
[11:45] <kirkland> owh: let me find the right one
[11:46] <flotishu>  firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[11:47] <kirkland> owh: i'm looking over http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html
[11:47] <kirkland> owh: http://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/
[11:47]  * owh is trying to debug to a dead-line, can you please email me?
[11:48] <owh> Unless you know why a php script would be terminated before completion when postfix invokes it on delivery?
[11:48] <kirkland> owh: sure, no problem
[11:48] <owh> SMTP -> postfix -> .forward -> pipe -> php://stdin -> script
[11:48] <kirkland> owh: anything in error_log ?
[11:48] <owh> No, the script just stops midway through, or stdin isn't filled with the email.
[11:49] <kirkland> owh: change your .forward to write to a file
[11:49] <owh> With tail -f /var/log/syslog and lots of php errorlog entries, I can see the email arriving, the script starting, then the email connection closing. Then that's all. I don't see the script finish.
[11:49] <kirkland> owh: then manually cat to | script
[11:50] <kirkland> owh: and you should be able to see the php error out
[11:50] <owh> kirkland: This script needs to parse the email and make it into a .csv.
[11:50] <owh> There are no php errors. I can cat the email to the script on the commandline and all works as expected.
[11:50] <kirkland> hmm
[11:50] <owh> It's like postfix kills the process.
[11:50] <kirkland> memory problem?
[11:51] <owh> Fsck, I hope not.
[11:51] <owh> No, that would be very strange. This VPS was built with MySQL and a full LAMP stack. I removed MySQL altogether.
[11:52] <kirkland> how many MB is the input email?
[11:52] <owh> Its 2737 bytes.
[11:53] <owh>  /proc/meminfo tells me that LowFree is: 209252kB
[11:55] <kirkland> owh: fyi, i mailed the list
[11:55] <owh> At the moment there are times where even sleep(10) as the first command doesn't guarantee that the whole message has arrived. I'm really stumped.
[11:55] <owh> Tah
[11:55] <kirkland> owh: definitely not a memory problem then
[11:56] <owh> I'll edit the original message and send it when I've licked this issue.
[11:56] <kirkland> i was wondering if you were processing a 10G email or something
[11:56] <owh> Nope, just an ittybitty satellite tracker message.
[11:56] <owh> The script runs for less than a second.
[11:57] <owh> How can I tell if postfix is really killing the script?
[12:00] <owh> I'm reading about the postfix pipe command, there is a deamon_timeout, but it's set to 18000s
[12:00] <kirkland> owh: have you checked the postfix logs?
[12:00] <kirkland> owh: /var/log/mail.*
[12:00] <owh> They appear to be identical to syslog
[12:02] <owh> relay=local, delay=10, delays=0.23/0/0/10, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: cd ~ ; ~/readmail.php)
[12:02] <owh> I wonder what 0.23 means
[12:03] <kirkland> owh: okay, sill questions...
[12:03] <kirkland> ~ is perms 755 right?
[12:03] <kirkland> as is readmail.php ?
[12:03] <kirkland> and you have the php-cli installed?
[12:04] <kirkland> all this works because running your script by hand works?
[12:04] <owh> kirkland: Yeah, it's running, I can see the entry in the logs - the script is riddled with error_log() entries.
[12:04] <owh> Yes
[12:04] <kirkland> owh: so next i'd pipe it through strace
[12:04] <kirkland> strace ~/readmail.php
[12:05] <kirkland> strace ~/readmail.php > /tmp/out
[12:05] <owh> kirkland: You mean, change the .forward?
[12:05] <kirkland> owh: yeah, if that's the only way to reproduce the error
[12:05] <owh> Hmm
[12:07]  * owh has just shot a message at it, it will take a mo.
[12:09] <owh> That didn't work: (delivered to command: (cd ~ ; strace ~/readmail.php > ~/strace)), but there is no content or any script debug output
[12:10] <owh> It could be memory. Lemmie see if I can generate some output.
[12:12] <owh> kirkland: Just read your email, it looks like you already sent it, am I reading that correctly?
[12:12] <kirkland> owh: yes
[12:12] <owh> kirkland: Then my brain isn't all fuzzy just yet :)
[12:12] <kirkland> ;-)
[12:18] <owh> memory_get_usage reports 786432 bytes
[12:18]  * owh thinks it's running out of memory.
[12:20] <owh> Hold on, thats 786kB, I've got 256Mb
[12:20] <Deeps> lol
[12:21]  * owh is used to 6502 CPU's with 64K :)
[12:22] <timuckun> Two questions: 1) How to fire up the curses GUI for configuring the network
[12:23] <timuckun> 2) How do I know which nic is which?
[12:23] <timuckun> 8.04 LTS server
[12:26] <_ruben> 1) you dont .. 2) pull a cable and check the link status with ethtool?
[12:27] <Deeps> 1) dpkg-reconfigure etherconf i believe
[12:27] <owh> Or look at dmesg.
[12:27] <Deeps> 2) unplug one of the cables, and check which one still has a link with ethtool / mii-tool
[12:27] <Deeps> and/or from syslog
[12:27] <Deeps> and/or dmesg
[12:28] <Deeps> !show etherconf
[12:28] <Deeps> !info etherconf
[12:28] <Deeps> heh
[12:28] <owh> Deeps: Yeah, I cannot find it either.
[12:29] <Deeps> that was the name of the debian package, it was in ubuntu too
[12:30] <Deeps> up until edgy it seems
[12:31] <timuckun> so ethtool -g eth0
[12:31] <timuckun> right?
[12:31] <Deeps> ethtool eth0 on it's own
[12:33] <Deeps> looks like for reconfiguring you'll have to do it manually through the interfaces file now
[12:36] <timuckun> Thanks guys
[12:36] <Deeps> thats a bit silly removing etherconf
[12:37] <timuckun> I agree
[12:37] <timuckun> I think they should have a curses gui for everything!
[12:37] <Deeps> lol
[12:37] <Deeps> you probably need to start to learn to code curses then :)
[12:38] <timuckun> first I have to learn the ins and outs of command line firts
[12:38] <timuckun> first
[12:38] <timuckun> anyway thanks for the help, back to the grindstone
[12:39] <kirkland> owh: http://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/2008/05/msg00000.html
[12:40] <owh> kirkland: That's the first message this month, it's a busy list - not ;)
[12:40] <Deeps> mmm
[12:59] <lamont> jdstrand: ah, ok.  I have one branch for debian and one branch for ubuntu (and util-linux is a much better example than bind9, which is generally converged..)
[13:00] <lamont> I don't separate out subdirs into their own VCS, since historically that has just caused me to want to go postal.
[13:01] <lamont> I _do_ commit to debian/ and to !debian/ separately, so that merges are less painful, and cherry picking for upstream  is better
[13:03] <jdstrand> lamont: cool, thanks
[13:04] <lamont> (and yes, util-linux upstream is git, and was what pushed me over to migrating all my packages from cvs/arch/bazaar (not bzr) to git
[13:04] <lamont> somewhere in 2006 or 7
[13:05]  * jdstrand nods
[13:12] <flotishu> firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[13:26] <flotishu_>  firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[13:30] <sommer> flotishu_: do you have the /etc/firestarter dir?
[13:30] <flotishu_> sommer i have installed fs now . yes i have the dir
[13:31] <sommer> flotishu_: and the /etc/firestarter/inbound/outbound subdirs?
[13:31] <flotishu_> no
[13:31] <flotishu_> $ sudo dpkg -l firestarter
[13:31] <flotishu_> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[13:31] <flotishu_> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[13:31] <flotishu_> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[13:31] <flotishu_> -
[13:31] <flotishu_> cd /etc/firestarter
[13:31] <flotishu_> user1@computer1:/etc/firestarter$ ls
[13:31] <flotishu_> non-routables
[13:32] <sommer> flotishu_: try sudo apt-get install firestarter again
[13:33] <flotishu_> is already installed
[13:37] <Deeps> apt-get --purge remove firestarter; apt-get install firestarter
[13:39] <sommer> flotishu_: ^^ ya.... thanks Deeps
[13:40] <flotishu_> hm
[13:40] <flotishu_> nop. same problem
[13:41] <flotishu_> it happend after i installed kmyfirewall.
[14:00] <flotishu_>  firestarter problem since i removed it , then instaled kmyfirewall. removed it. and reinstalled firestarter. http://pastebin.com/m723ea818     some apps like firefox or etherape are not runing too.  help?
[14:05] <\sh> sudo iptables -L -n ; sudo iptables -F ?
[14:05] <\sh> check what's in your iptables table...and flush it ...
[14:09] <flotishu_> how to send a message on a windows client machine ?
[14:36] <psufan> thanks guys for making my life hell
[14:37] <Deeps> ?
[14:37] <MenZa> welcome.
[14:37] <Deeps> what did we do?
[14:37] <psufan> 6.06LTS kernel is canucked
[14:38] <psufan> 2.6.15 has a crash and burn nfs bug
[14:38] <psufan> and you folks don't feel it warrents a fix
[14:38] <psufan> and 2.6.17-22 have a root hole
[14:38] <Deeps> umm....
[14:38] <psufan> and 22-24 break ubuntu 6.06lts
[14:38] <Deeps> i'm not on the kernel development team
[14:38] <Deeps> infact, i'm not an ubuntu developer at all
[14:38] <Deeps> and the beauty of floss, you can fix it yourself
[14:38] <psufan> I was complaining to the developers
[14:39] <psufan> no the result is I am forced to run with a root hole kernel
[14:39] <Deeps> and you can use any other linux distro too
[14:39] <psufan> nope can't
[14:39] <Deeps> you have a support contract with canonical?
[14:39] <psufan> no my boss doesn't allow changes on production boxes
[14:39] <psufan> only reason I can do the kernel is it crashes and burns
[14:39] <Deeps> so build your own kernel?
[14:39] <psufan> I am trying
[14:40] <psufan> but 2.6.16--> 2.6.22 have root holes
[14:40] <psufan> 22-24 have some udev change that breaks ubuntu
[14:40] <Deeps> and there are no patches for 2.6.16-2.6.22 for those root holes?
[14:40] <psufan> I haven't been able to find one
[14:41] <Deeps> ah well, joys of free software, nobody owes anyone anything
[14:41] <psufan> didn't say anyone did
[14:41] <\sh> if there are any patches, our kernel team will deal with it
[14:42] <psufan> when?
[14:42] <\sh> psufan, ask linus
[14:42] <psufan> it's been patched for yrs
[14:42] <Deeps> in the fullness of time, at the appropriate junction
[14:42] <psufan> the nfs bug
[14:42] <\sh> psufan, did you file a bug? or is there a bug in launchpad?
[14:42] <psufan> but you guys didn't get the memo or didn't feel it warrented touching LTS
[14:42] <psufan> someone already did
[14:42] <Deeps> link?
[14:43] <\sh> psufan, go to #ubuntu-kernel and ask them
[14:43] <psufan> good idea thanks
[14:43] <\sh> psufan, did you test hardy?
[14:43] <psufan> I can't change distros
[14:43] <Deeps> haha, looking at the logs, ivoks already told you how to fix it
[14:43] <\sh> anyways ... meeting
[14:43] <psufan> deeps
[14:43] <psufan> how did he do that
[14:44] <Deeps> 21:09 < ivoks> psufan: cd /tmp ; wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8736376/linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get install git-core ; git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-dapper.git ubuntu-dapper ; cd ubuntu-dapper ; patch -p1 -i ../linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-`uname -r` ; sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential ; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage # at this point, you might want to
[14:44] <psufan> damn
[14:44] <Deeps> litterally, every single command you have to do
[14:44] <psufan> I missed that one
[14:44] <psufan> damn damn damn
[14:44] <psufan> thx very much
[14:44] <Deeps> i've had paid support that's been less useful
[14:44] <Deeps> and i've had people paying me for support that have been politer
[14:45] <psufan> i'm frustrated I been thru 5 kernel builds each one had some issue it caused
[14:45] <psufan> and here they don't even want me to change a battery in a hot swappable ups
[14:45] <psufan> without a backup plan
[14:45] <Deeps> seems reasonable
[14:45] <psufan> ok now I got to figure out how to readd the stock kernel source etc :p
[14:46] <Deeps> anyway, good luck
[14:47] <psufan> thx :)
[14:47] <psufan> very much
[14:49] <psufan> in my defence
[14:49] <psufan> I actually did look for a patch file
[14:53] <psufan> is there an official source from ubuntu for kernels
[15:08] <Deeps> urr, the apt repository?
[15:08] <Deeps> 'main' i believe
[15:18] <psufan> how do I get a listing
[15:18] <psufan> :P
[15:18] <psufan> nm I think I know how
[15:19] <psufan> still getting used to apt-get
[15:23] <psufan> question
[15:23] <psufan> when I do dpkg -l linux* I see a lot of junk I don't have anymore how do I flush the extra stuff
[15:24] <psufan> or is that not the listing of stuff installed
[15:25] <ogra> dpkg -l |grep ^ii |grep linux
[15:25] <psufan> oh so it's only ii I have to worry about
[15:25] <ogra> only the lines starting with ii show actually installed stuff
[15:26] <psufan> ok cause it showed some other junk as unpacked
[15:26] <ogra> the header of the output of dpkg -l has a description fo the statuses
[15:26] <ogra> *of
[15:26] <psufan> yeah I saw that but I was still confused a bit
[15:26] <psufan> thx
[15:34] <psufan> think I got it
[15:37] <psufan> quick question
[15:37] <psufan> ii  linux-source-2.6.15
[15:37] <psufan> that means installed correct?
[15:38] <_ruben> yes
[15:38] <psufan> how come there is nothing in /usr/src
[15:38] <_ruben> you (or someone else) deleted it?
[15:39] <psufan> I just ran this
[15:39] <_ruben> the package is installed, but the files that are contained in that package could have been deleted manually
[15:39] <psufan> weird
[15:40] <_ruben> apt wont know if you did rm -rf /usr/src/*
[15:40] <_ruben> could try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-source-2.6.15
[15:41] <psufan> yeah but I didn't
[15:41] <psufan> that's what I am doing
[15:41] <psufan> it
[15:41] <psufan> has been a long week mabye I did
[15:41] <psufan> dunno :/
[15:41] <psufan> no it really isn't
[15:42] <_ruben> it really isnt what?
[15:42] <psufan> apt-get install linux-source linux-source-2.6.15
[15:42] <psufan> did that
[15:43] <psufan> root@blade4:/usr/src# ls -la /usr/src
[15:43] <psufan> total 43700
[15:43] <psufan> drwxrwsr-x  2 root src      4096 2008-05-09 10:41 .
[15:43] <psufan> drwxr-xr-x 12 root root     4096 2008-03-28 11:05 ..
[15:43] <psufan> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    69967 2008-02-12 11:51 .config
[15:43] <psufan> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 44613205 2008-02-12 12:26 linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2
[15:43] <_ruben> there's your source
[15:43] <psufan> oh it just fetches the .bz ?
[15:43] <zul> mathiaz: what was that quagga bug number?
[15:43] <_ruben> yup
[15:43]  * psufan is really confused
[15:43] <psufan> how do I make sure it's what ubuntu used in their default build
[15:43] <psufan> is there a patchset or something
[15:44] <zul> mathiaz: nm Ill check the backlog
[15:44] <_ruben> you could reinstall the package to make sure its the right file .. and it'd include the patchset (its not a vanilla bz2)
[15:44] <mathiaz> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quagga/+bug/176015
[15:45] <zul> mathiaz: merci
[15:45] <zul> mathiaz: I guess there is a couple of bugs that could be fixed
[15:46] <psufan> _ruben that's what am asking
[15:46] <psufan> what is the package name for that
[15:46] <_ruben> psufan: for what? the kernel source? linux-source-<version>
[15:46] <psufan> yes
[15:46] <psufan> but I want the one that has all the ubuntu shit in it
[15:46] <_ruben> thats what it is
[15:48] <psufan> ok then I am an idiot
[15:49] <psufan> because I am not showing anything in /usr/src except the same tarball from 5 mins ago
[15:49] <psufan> how do I verify this is not vanilla source but is the ubuntu source of the kernel in 2.6.15-51
[15:49] <mathiaz> zul: in quagga ? yes
[15:49] <psufan> nm I have a great idea
[15:50] <mathiaz> zul: I just synced it yesterday
[15:50] <psufan> ok that worked
[15:50] <psufan> thx
[15:50] <zul> mathiaz: k what is quagga exactly btw?
[15:50] <mathiaz> zul: routing daemon
[15:50] <zul> mathiaz: ah thanks
[16:03] <psufan> what's the purpose of git again
[16:07] <psufan> nm
[17:07] <ivoks> anyone familiar with postgresql?
[17:24] <Deeps> ivoks: i've used it a bit, not much
[17:25] <ivoks> are you familiar with concepts of ROLEs?
[17:26] <Deeps> it rings a bell, but i draw a blank, i'm afraid
[17:26] <ivoks> ok, thanks
[17:27] <ivoks> zul: here?
[17:27] <zul> ivoks: yep
[17:28] <ivoks> i'm working on pgsql version of bacula director
[17:28] <zul> just about to step into a meeting but whats up?
[17:28] <zul> ivoks: ok
[17:28] <ivoks> zul: go to the meeting, this can wait :)
[17:42] <mathiaz> kees: hello my good friend, mister the security man that enables crazy compiler options
[17:43] <mathiaz> kees: I've been trying to merge ipsec-tools and run into this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/11039/
[17:44] <mathiaz> kees: I've looked on the wiki page but it seems that the code works as expected (ie the fwrite call is casted with (void)
[17:47] <mathiaz> kees: the problem is in src/libipsec/policy_token.c - with ECHO (defined as "#define ECHO (void) fwrite( yytext, yyleng, 1, yyout )")
[18:06] <psufan> defintely need to get a seperate hd for vm's on my laptop
[18:06] <psufan> ugh
[18:36] <sparkyy> hello everyone
[18:36] <sparkyy> anyone know why root owns /usr/share/games
[18:36] <sparkyy> nexuiz server 2.4 doesn't work and I think its a permissions issue
[18:37] <sparkyy> atleast the one from the repos
[18:37] <sparkyy> anyone?
[18:40] <sparkyy> doesnt work on 7.x or 8.04
[18:40] <slicslak> is your user in the games group
[18:40] <slicslak> ?
[18:41] <sparkyy> /usr/share/games is owned by root:root
[18:41] <sparkyy> by default
[18:41] <sparkyy> not by games
[18:41] <slicslak> but is your user in the games group?  you need to be in taht group to play games
[18:42] <sparkyy> ok
[18:42] <sparkyy> so is I add it will it magically fix everything?
[18:42] <slicslak> maybe
[18:42] <slicslak> i don't play games :)
[18:42] <sparkyy> /usr/share/games$ ls -al
[18:42] <sparkyy> total 20
[18:42] <sparkyy> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  4096 2008-04-26 07:39 .
[18:42] <sparkyy> drwxr-xr-x 298 root root 12288 2008-04-30 07:42 ..
[18:42] <sparkyy> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 2008-04-26 07:39 fortunes
[18:42] <sparkyy> ex
[18:42] <slicslak> but those perms are proper
[18:42] <sparkyy> root:root
[18:42] <ivoks> sparkyy: that's normal
[18:43] <ivoks> root owns your filesystem :)
[18:43] <sparkyy> yes, but it doesnt let the game work
[18:43] <sparkyy> and a regular user is not in root group
[18:44] <sparkyy> ex. nexuiz-server
[18:44] <ivoks> ?
[18:44] <ivoks> /usr/* should be read-only :)
[18:44] <ivoks> game doesn't write anything there
[18:46] <sparkyy> ivoks,
[18:47] <sparkyy> xxx@xxx:~$ ls -l ~/.nexuiz/data/data
[18:47] <sparkyy> total 12
[18:47] <sparkyy> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-05 17:31 maps
[18:47] <sparkyy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8018 2008-05-05 21:23 server.db
[18:47] <sparkyy> what about .nexuiz
[18:47] <sparkyy> ?
[18:47] <ivoks> you started the server as root
[18:47] <sparkyy> that is the default and it error it out
[18:47] <ivoks> and it created root-owned files
[18:47] <sparkyy> doent work either way as a regular user or as root
[18:47] <sparkyy> look at the .nexuiz directory above
[18:47] <ivoks> so, if nexuiz works as another user - it won't work
[18:48] <ivoks> you aren't listening to me
[18:48] <zul> ivoks: sorry....
[18:48] <sparkyy> ok, so what do you mean
[18:48] <ivoks> sparkyy: you installed package nexuiz-server?
[18:49] <sparkyy> ivoks
[18:49] <sparkyy> yes
[18:49] <sparkyy> from the repos
[18:49] <ivoks> sparkyy: did it create a user?
[18:49] <sparkyy> I also tried the binary from the alientrap site
[18:49] <ivoks> (check in /etc/passwd)
[18:49] <sparkyy> evidently not
[18:50] <sparkyy> i get a boatload of errors
[18:50] <ivoks> check /etc/passwd
[18:50] <sparkyy> and it cant write to server.db
[18:50] <ivoks> is there nexuiz user
[18:50] <sparkyy> sorry I am not a the server right now
[18:50] <sparkyy> sorry man its down now
[18:50] <sparkyy> I dont recall seeing it
[18:51] <sparkyy> it just crashed when I sudoed
[18:52] <sparkyy> same crash happens with the original installer from alientrap website
[18:52] <sparkyy> i extracted to /usr/local/games
[18:52] <sparkyy> in that case
[18:53] <sparkyy> ivoks, should I try to run it as the nexuiz user?
[18:53] <sparkyy> does it create a nexuiz group?
[18:53] <ivoks> i can't talk with 3 people at the same time :D
[18:53] <sparkyy> sorry man
[18:53] <sparkyy> I though I was the only on ehere
[18:53] <ivoks> np, just wait a second
[18:53] <sparkyy> =)
[18:54] <sparkyy> ok thanks man
[18:54] <sparkyy> =)
[18:54] <sparkyy> not to worry I am on the phone now too
[18:55] <Jas[er_via_UMTS> Appears that the ubuntu-server installer, in manual fdisk mode, treats a multidisk-raid volume in such a way that you can only make one partition on it. Anyone know why?
[18:56] <Jas[er_via_UMTS> oops.
[18:56] <Jasper--> yeah, there's an unused one.
[18:56] <sparkyy> do you have hardware raid controller?
[18:57] <sparkyy> is it on the supported hardware list?
[18:58] <sparkyy> I have had many that dont work well in ubuntu
[18:58] <sparkyy> stupid proprietary companies with closed crappy raid controllers
[18:58] <sparkyy> they are donkeys
[18:58] <sparkyy> =P
[19:08] <ivoks> ok, where were we?
[19:12] <sparkyy> ivoks
[19:12] <sparkyy> sorry
[19:12] <ivoks> sparkyy: ok, that .nexuiz directory is owned by root
[19:12] <sparkyy> is that wrong?
[19:13] <ivoks> sparkyy: so i guess you stared nexuiz server as root (with sudo)
[19:13] <sparkyy> that is in my home directory
[19:13] <sparkyy> well because it was root owned I did
[19:13] <ivoks> what was root owned?
[19:13] <ivoks> root owns firefox, but you still run it as a user, right?
[19:13] <sparkyy> yes
[19:13] <ivoks> most of the executables are owned by root
[19:14] <ivoks> like 99%
[19:14] <ivoks> but you can start them as a user
[19:14] <sparkyy> does it need to be that way? Couldn't they be owned by a less powerful user than uid=0
[19:14] <sparkyy> got ya
[19:14] <ivoks> why?
[19:15] <ivoks> you don't want 'ls' owned by nobody user
[19:15] <ivoks> cause, if nobody is hacked, it can hack your 'ls'
[19:15] <sparkyy> ok, never mind that
[19:15] <ivoks> but if someone hacks your 'root', hackesd 'ls' is last on your problem list :D
[19:15] <sparkyy> should my /home/sparky/.nexuiz be owned by root?
[19:15] <ivoks> no
[19:16] <sparkyy> ok
[19:16] <ivoks> do this:
[19:16] <sparkyy> should I swith it to my user
[19:16] <ivoks> chown -R your_username:your_groupname ~/.nexuiz
[19:16] <sparkyy> yup
[19:16] <sparkyy> ok
[19:16] <ivoks> yes, if you will start nexuiz server as a user
[19:17] <sparkyy> should the nexuiz binary be set to the nexuiz group though
[19:17] <sparkyy> in /usr/share/games ?
[19:17] <ivoks> no
[19:17] <sparkyy> should it be root:nexuiz or root:games?
[19:17] <ivoks> no no no
[19:17] <sparkyy> ok
[19:17] <sparkyy> lol
[19:17] <ivoks> don't touch anything in /usr
[19:17] <ivoks> ever
[19:17] <sparkyy> so I should do a rm -r from /
[19:17] <sparkyy> right
[19:18] <sparkyy> =P
[19:18] <ivoks> ?
[19:18] <sparkyy> jk
[19:18] <sparkyy> i kidding
[19:18] <sparkyy> =)
[19:18] <sparkyy> im joking
[19:18] <sparkyy> lol
[19:18] <sparkyy> ok, i will change that when i get home
[19:18] <sparkyy> thanks much my friend!
[19:18] <sparkyy> =)
[19:18] <ivoks> np
[19:19] <sparkyy> have a good weekend
[19:19] <sparkyy> oh, and play some video games!
[19:19] <sparkyy> nexuiz rules!
[19:19] <sparkyy> =6P
[19:26]  * sommer doesn't think nexiuz is that great... too dark
[19:26]  * ivoks doesn't even know what games are
[19:27] <sommer> heh, you should try poker, I hear it's great for beginners
[19:27] <faulkes-> these games you speak of, they are something -server uses?
[19:28] <sommer> faulkes-: some have a server element... multiplayer games
[19:29] <faulkes-> ah, so -server is a game, I see
[19:29] <ivoks> ubuntu-server from games to AD
[19:29]  * faulkes- goes to kill his users
[19:29] <faulkes-> it *is* an FPS right?
[19:30] <sommer> faulkes-: lol, oh ya!
[19:30] <ivoks> good night everybody
[19:30] <sommer> later on ivoks
[19:31] <psufan> ugh
[19:31] <psufan> I think git did something to the kernel source
[19:31] <psufan> it never took 4+ hrs to make a kerne;
[19:32] <faulkes-> the git or a git?
[19:32] <psufan> git
[19:32] <faulkes-> thank you thank you, I'll be here all week
[19:32] <psufan> as in one of the commands someone me to run to patch 2.6.15 against the nfs crash and burn bug
[19:32]  * psufan lost his humor on monday fighting with this shit
[19:33] <psufan> it's almost like it's looping a build
[19:35] <Febreze> Hi, would anyone care to help me set up a webserver?
[19:40] <sommer> Febreze: do you have a specific question?
[19:40] <Febreze> I'm trying to Install Xampp
[19:41] <Febreze> I've got it on my desktop, although I don't understand what my "Shell" is, It's not my "Terminal" is it?
[19:42] <sommer> Febreze: yep shell and terminal are usually synonimous (or however you spell that)
[19:43] <Febreze> I thought so, well I've actually got the .tar file on my desktop, although the command it's telling me to enter is returning this error
[19:43] <Febreze> tar: xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[19:43] <Febreze> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[19:43] <Febreze> tar: Child returned status 2
[19:43] <Febreze> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[19:43] <sommer> Febreze: you probably want tar -xzvf xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz:
[19:43] <Febreze> I tried altering the filepath in "tar xvfz xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz -C /opt" although it didn't help
[19:44] <Febreze> Ah, I've now got a new error:
[19:44] <sommer> Febreze: you probably want tar -xzvf Desktop/xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz:
[19:44] <psufan> is this the correct steps
[19:44] <psufan> < ivoks> psufan: cd /tmp ; wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8736376/linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get install git-core ; git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-dapper.git ubuntu-dapper ; cd ubuntu-dapper ; patch -p1 -i ../linux-source-2.6.15_nfsv4client.patch ; sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-`uname -r` ; sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential ; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage # at this point, you
[19:44] <Febreze> rsh: xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz: Name or service not known
[19:44] <Febreze> tar: xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz\:: Cannot open: Input/output error
[19:44] <Febreze> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[19:44] <Febreze> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[19:44] <Febreze> tar: Child returned status 2
[19:44] <Febreze> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[19:44] <Febreze> bash: -xzvf: command not found
[19:44] <Febreze> Returned that error
[19:45] <sommer> Febreze: ^^ when you first open a shell/terminal it starts you in the /home/username directory.  the tar file is probably in /home/username/Desktop
[19:45] <sommer> Febreze: tar -xzvf Desktop/xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz
[19:45] <Febreze> Ooh, I get it
[19:45] <Febreze> tar -xzvf Desktop/xampp-linux-1.6.6.tar.gz
[19:45] <Febreze> That's worked, hehe
[19:46] <sommer> Febreze: party!
[19:46] <Febreze> Thanks alot! :)
[19:46] <sommer> np
[19:46] <Febreze> I should learn all the Ubuntu lingo, thanks again!
[19:46] <sommer> Febreze: heh, you're welcome
[19:53] <cody-somerville> I installed ebox but I can't access it from localhost/ebox : /
[19:53] <sommer> cody-somerville: did you do https ?
[19:54] <cody-somerville> ah! :) thanks
[19:54] <sommer> :)
[19:56] <cody-somerville> weee
[19:56] <cody-somerville> ebox is buggy.
[19:58] <AtomicSpark> i'm trying to set up drupal. to get the .htaccess files to be able to override php and apache settings, i have to remove "allowoveride none" in the sites-available file correct?
[19:59] <elventear> I am having a problem with Xen that is more related to networking, so it could be generic and not a Xen bug: Traffic going into one of my domUs virtual interfaces is not coming out the other end through the dom0 bridge/virtual interface. Any ideas of what to try? This seems to be selective some of my local IP lans, not all traffic, but still is weird. Any ideas on what to try to troubleshoot this?
[19:59] <psufan> hey deep
[19:59] <psufan> you know that fix you found for me in a irc log
[19:59] <psufan> it's 100% broken
[20:00] <psufan> 4+ hrs later it's still looping the same compile over and over
[20:00] <AtomicSpark> states "Note, however, that setting PHP configuration options from .htaccess only works: if the .htaccess file is actually read, i.e. AllowOverride is not None"
[20:01] <sommer> AtomicSpark: I set mine to AllowOverride All, when I need to use .htaccess files
[20:02] <AtomicSpark> sommer, alright thanks. the default lamp install for ubuntu doesn't seem to like drupal very much. i'm trying to get it to work. of course it failed to work on my webhost lol.
[20:02] <AtomicSpark> but everyone seems to like drupal so i'm trying it out.
[20:03] <sommer> ya drupal's popularity has increased a lot lately, I use joomla myself
[20:05] <AtomicSpark> do you know anything about GD library? drupal claims it's installed by default but i think with ubuntu's LAMP i need to install it manually.
[20:06] <sommer> AtomicSpark: sudo apt-get install php5-gd will install it
[20:06] <AtomicSpark> alright. that's what i thought. thanks :0
[20:06] <sommer> AtomicSpark: once installed you'll need to restart apache to allow the new php module to load
[20:06] <AtomicSpark> :)
[20:06] <Febreze> Sommer, you're great. Thanks again hehe
[20:07] <sommer> welcome
[20:12] <AtomicSpark> ack. i got this message "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 16777216 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 167361 bytes) in /var/www/drupal/includes/database.inc on line 218"
[20:12] <AtomicSpark> the .htaccess should of increased the memory limit -_-
[20:13] <sommer> AtomicSpark: you might have to increase the memory in /etc/php/apache2/php.ini
[20:13] <AtomicSpark> ah. thanks for the path :)
[20:14] <sommer> AtomicSpark: np
[20:14] <AtomicSpark> sommer, there is no php folder in my etc.
[20:15] <sommer> AtomicSpark: woops... make that /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[20:16] <AtomicSpark> drupal is kindof a bitch to set up imo lol
[20:17] <AtomicSpark> oh wait. according to the status report, it's already set at 16 M
[20:17] <AtomicSpark> so it should be fine.
[20:18] <sommer> AtomicSpark: mmmm... from the error it tried to alocate slightly more than 16MB, so you should probably bump it to at least 32M
[20:22] <AtomicSpark> oh good. it set up cron too. everything looks fine now. :) next task: configure mail server.
[20:22] <AtomicSpark> but that will have to wait. brb.
[20:47] <AtomicSpark> okay back. yay for moving a bunch of mattresses!
[20:47] <AtomicSpark> sommer, still there?
[20:48] <sommer> AtomicSpark: yeppers
[20:49] <AtomicSpark> so postfix has 3 options during config. i'm not sure which one to use. basically all i want is our server to be able to send email i guess. we use google aps for our company email.
[20:49] <AtomicSpark> any suggestions?
[20:50] <sommer> AtomicSpark: the postfix section of the serverguide is pretty good: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[20:50] <sommer> AtomicSpark: the "internet" server options should work fine for you I'd think
[20:51] <AtomicSpark> sommer, i should beable to configure it for google aps actully. just like i did our webhost.
[20:51] <sommer> sure
[21:01] <AtomicSpark> so basically right now our mail is going to our web host (which has sendmail) and that is forwarded to our google aps via mx records.
[21:01] <AtomicSpark> all very confusing :P
[21:03] <Jasper--> anyone happen to know if ubuntu systems sometimes boot off the swap?
[21:03] <Jasper--> strangely enough the swap got the bootable flag.
[21:05] <Jasper--> 2 disks, each with the following: swap, half a raid1 with /boot, half a raid1 with LVM with / and /var, another half a raid0 with lvm with storagespace.
[21:05] <Jasper--> pure software raid, I don't have hardware raid and I will never, ever do firmware  raid.
[21:09] <limbeaux> should the lamp server choice during setup have cgi ready to go or do i need to take more action?
[21:10] <AtomicSpark> limbeaux, should be ready to go. the default website config has cgi paths in it. you just need to put your scripts in that path.
[21:12] <limbeaux> thanks!!  are the paths listed in apache2.conf?
[21:13] <limbeaux> i have to set up file sharing portal for files that are too big for email (not p2p)   anyone have any suggestions?
[21:13] <AtomicSpark> limbeaux, no by config i ment /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[21:13] <AtomicSpark> the "default" is the default site file. in there it has the cgi paths.
[21:14] <AtomicSpark> path should be /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
[21:14] <limbeaux> thanks again!!  just learning this. i did google it before i asked, but I mostly found instruction on apache1
[21:14] <limbeaux> i do appreciate your help
[21:15] <good_dana> chown games /usr/share/games ??
[21:15] <good_dana> wow i just replied to something like 5 hours up... i should learn to look at my scroll bar
[21:16] <Jasper--> well, in this particular channel 5 hours isn't *that* many lines
[21:17] <good_dana> this is true
[21:20] <limbeaux> anyone use ebox?
[21:36] <hossam> join #vbox
[21:37] <limbeaux> actually  i was looking for an opinion, not support
[21:46] <hossam> hello has anyone successfully created a vmdk that points to an internal hard drive in virtualbox? i keep getting a strange error
[21:46] <hossam> (amd64 8.04)
[22:27] <AtomicSpark> i just set up bind9 as a master server. heh.
[22:27] <AtomicSpark> yay for first time!
[22:30]  * AtomicSpark crosses fingers
[22:32] <AtomicSpark> seems to work. although mydomain.com still points to the internet's www.mydomain.com (it should point to server) is that just dns cache? how do i clear it?
[22:33] <Deeps> what OS?
[22:33] <Deeps> oh, locally on the server
[22:33] <AtomicSpark> ubuntu 8.04
[22:33] <Deeps> /etc/resolv.conf points to localhost?
[22:34] <AtomicSpark> i'm testing from my ubuntu client. trying to see if the new dns server is working, which it is. but the domain still points to the internet site which it should point to the intranet site.
[22:35] <AtomicSpark> i guess i could remove the forwarders for a second and see what happens. although my dig output seems correct.
[22:37] <AtomicSpark> ah. it's being cached by the router. ill restart that. brb.
[22:38] <AtomicSpark> nvm. was wrong. firefox caches it!
[22:38] <AtomicSpark> just go into offline mode and back clears it. it works now. :)
[22:39] <AtomicSpark> hmm. www.mydomain.com doesn't work now. ill have to add an www entry.
[23:00] <AtomicSpark> we have a shared host for our website (lame) or our real IP address is 12.34.567.8/~username/ if i want to access it without using the domain name. i can't put this as an A record can i? (because of the extra stuff behind ip address)
[23:00] <AtomicSpark> *for not or
[23:01] <Deeps> no
[23:01] <Deeps> you need to get your webhost to configure a vhost for you
[23:02] <AtomicSpark> its all set up, i just can't see it from our network because i'm using the same domain. was thinking of having domain.com our intranet and www.domain.com point to the webhost
[23:03] <Deeps> if you're using bind, google views
[23:03] <Deeps> although more appropriately, you'd want intra.domain.com or somesuch to be your intranet hosts
[23:06] <AtomicSpark> hmm. interesting.
[23:06] <AtomicSpark> i'd host our website here but there is a lack of bandwidth.
[23:10] <AtomicSpark> maybe we should think about what we want to do with our website. we only have a month left and should decide what to do before signing another contract
[23:11] <AtomicSpark> the problem is we can't do anything neat like drupal because of the limitations of the shared web host.
[23:31] <AtomicSpark> YES. upon deleting everything in my public_html folder, drupal works with no errors. :)
[23:47] <brocebeats> well i am trying to set up an svn on an ubuntu webserver where it uses webdav as the protocol and you can only access the svn via the subdomain
[23:47] <brocebeats> I have the svn up and running but it is available in every domain not just that subdomain
[23:47] <brocebeats> i added a vhost
[23:48] <brocebeats> to /etc/apache2/sites-available
[23:49] <brocebeats> http://pastebin.ca/1013239 <---- is my virtual host
[23:50] <brocebeats> and that is the only time i call on the svn dav
[23:50] <brocebeats> I cant figure out how to make it only work on the subdomain
[23:51] <pdragon> I just tried to upgrade 6.06 server to 8.04  via the command line and it's failing out with this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11198/
[23:51] <pdragon> anyone help?
[23:52] <brocebeats> wow and your root :-/
[23:53] <pdragon> yep
[23:53] <pdragon> was trying with just sudo and thought that may have been why. so i did sudo -s and tried with the same result
[23:56] <sommer> pdragon: are you trying to upgrade to hardy?
[23:56] <pdragon> yes
[23:57] <sommer> then you don't need the -d... the -d is for development releases, and hardy has been released :)
[23:57] <pdragon> if i don't have the -d it says no upgrades are available
[23:57] <sommer> is the system up to date?
[23:57] <pdragon> yes
[23:57] <bog> sommer: I get the same result without -d
[23:58] <pdragon> ran apt-get ugrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:58] <pdragon> well, least i know why i was getting that other error. slowly getting there :)
[23:59] <sommer> pdragon: try apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then do-release-upgrade
[23:59] <pdragon> i did
[23:59] <pdragon> no updates available
[23:59] <sommer> dist-upgrade isn't the best for ubuntu
[23:59] <pdragon> will run again


[10:08] <tarzeau> i'm also member of the debian multimedia team, if there's any package updates missing, tell me
[10:08] <tarzeau> but readong the mailing list i'm not sure, will you continue or not?