[09:21] <maccer> hello! I'm looking for some pointers/instructions to install cloud-init on a macbook, would anyone here be able to help?
[13:24] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, I have pushed my description solution on the apt schema branch. If you want to discuss it, just let me know
[13:59] <Odd_Bloke> So I did a little more poking at that pytest issue, and I think the issue is that our CiTestCase monkey-patching of util.subp causes pylint to be unable to correctly infer the type of util.subp (because it sees those CiTestCase assignments and knows that it can't infer what's going on there).  It's still not clear to me why the results have been inconsistent, but my best guess is that there is some
[13:59] <Odd_Bloke> difference between the processes that means some of them do find the CiTestCase assignments (and so can't infer the call signature of util.subp, and so don't emit a message about us calling it incorrectly) and some don't (and therefore correctly infer the signature of util.subp, and so do emit the message).
[14:01] <Odd_Bloke> I may have inadvertently "fixed" this in master by adding the tests in https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/343; that imports CiTestCase in test_conftest, so I would now expect all pylint workers to find the CiTestCase assignments (and therefore _never_ infer util.subp's type correctly and therefore never report the error).
[16:50] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: +1 on the ubuntu/devel PR! \o/
[16:51] <blackboxsw> wooooooot!
[16:51]  * blackboxsw is digging out from reviews at the moment.
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> Dang, they left, I'm very curious to know what that person was expecting cloud-init to do on a Macbook. :p
[16:53] <blackboxsw> "take over the world", just like the rest of us
[16:54] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: wasn't there another person trying to get configy type things going on a mac cloud a couple weeks ago?
[16:54] <blackboxsw> or maybe I inferred that from their question
[18:37] <meena> has anyone made an attempt at making net/ platform independent?er…
[18:38] <meena> i'm looking at the code again.
[18:42] <Odd_Bloke> I just noticed a gap in our fail-if-subp-is-called coverage on our tests: we configure it for pytest in cloudinit/conftest.py, which means it applies to everything under cloudinit/.  However, we have also introduced pytest-based tests under tests/.  I can see two paths forward: move conftest.py up a directory (to the repo root, so it affects all tests in the repo), or relocate the existing pytest-based
[18:42] <Odd_Bloke> tests (there are 4 classes, so this isn't much work) under cloudinit/ and update our unit test documentation to prohibit introducing pytest-based tests under tests/*.  What do people think?
[19:10] <meena> robjo: heyo, wanna rewrite cloudinit/net?
[19:11] <robjo> ENOTIME
[19:18] <meena> anyone else? :P
[19:19] <meena> where did we land on? do we transform cloudinit/net into a class or a function dispatcher?
[19:39] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: sorry for the delay, your changes to schema.py look really good/appropriate. Couple minor nits on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/357#pullrequestreview-411120453 and we are good. At some point we'll have to have a discussion about how to move to draft7 of jsonschema (as xenial/bionic/other distros don't support that). But that's a conversation for another time .
[19:43] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I see you've moved the ubuntu/devel card to Daily in our board, but I don't see an upload and the PR is still open.  Did you move it over prematurely, perhaps?
[19:44] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: And, unrelatedly, do you know of any compelling reasons for us to move to draft7 of JSON Schema?  (Not asking you to do any investigation, just curious if you happen to know of any off-hand.)
[19:48] <blackboxsw> blackboxsw: yep. premature card move turns out you have to hit <enter> to  upload :)
[19:49]  * blackboxsw kicks that now-ish. it'll be ready by daily tomorrow
[19:49] <Odd_Bloke> ^_^
[19:49] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: yes patternProperties
[19:49] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, No problem and I have fixed the typos you have commented
[19:49] <blackboxsw> as it stands any cloud-config module  which has opaque keys like cc_apt_configure "sources" is not represented in schema
[19:50] <blackboxsw> the schema in draft4 is permissive and just says, make sure we are a dict
[19:50] <blackboxsw> it can't describe the sub-objects of each sources item
[19:53] <blackboxsw> draft7 lets us describe that like this:
[19:54] <blackboxsw> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yf3tGrtJ6R/
[19:55] <blackboxsw> without draft7 we basically have to be very permissive on nested objects below opaque keys
[19:56] <blackboxsw> so as it stands, our existing draft4 schema won't error on invalid apt:\n  sources:\n      'nogood'
[19:56] <Odd_Bloke> Interesting, thanks!
[19:57] <blackboxsw> so same kindof question applies to curtin
[19:57] <blackboxsw> and storage config validation
[19:57] <blackboxsw> but that's another ball of work/big feature for a cycle
[19:59] <blackboxsw> hrm Odd_Bloke lucasmoura hold the phone. I may have mapped that wrong
[20:00] <blackboxsw>  /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/jsonschema/schemas/draft4.json   in your focal/groovy Ubuntu distro shows patternProperties there
[20:01] <blackboxsw> in draft4. so, hrm we might be able to get that on cc_apt_configure. I'm testing now. which would mean we could use this for lucas's current branch. But, let's leave that for a followup PR
[20:02] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: It's not clear to me that we need patternProperties for this case, actually: aren't the patterns for the key names (which are well-defined)?
[20:02] <Odd_Bloke> *well-defined in this case
[20:02] <Odd_Bloke> (Either way, agreed we shouldn't block landing the in-flight PR.)
[20:03] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: not for sources: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/examples.html#additional-apt-configuration-and-repositories
[20:03] <Odd_Bloke> Oh riiight, yeah.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> each top-level key under apt:sources: <any-string>: {keyid: keyserver:... source}
[20:05] <blackboxsw> yeah. again it looks like a was mistaken about patternProperties being in draft7. If so, I think we can clear this up for draft4.  Also I think there may be 2-3 other config modules that don't define 'strict' schema for certain config objects living below the scope of opaque strings.
[20:05] <blackboxsw> I'll add a card and we can talk about this item tomorrow/later
[20:31] <amansi26> rharper: A small clarification needed. When we deploy a VM. Interface is getting assigned by cloud init, but once the VM get deployed, if we manually got and assigned some other interface. Is cloud init comes in pic there also.
[20:32] <amansi26> according to my understanding, it basically takes the details from config Drive(provided by Nova) and configure the interfaces. Correct me if I am wrong.
[20:40] <blackboxsw> lucasmoura: what would  you prefer you squash merge commit message be for #357.  Is this ok ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NVRm9bnnqX/
[20:41] <blackboxsw> I tried to trim a bit for the commit msg and went with line formatting < 80 chars
[20:41]  * blackboxsw should have wrapped at 72 chars
[20:41] <lucasmoura> blackboxsw, I am okay with the commit message you proposed
[20:45] <blackboxsw> done merged thx lucasmoura
[20:46] <meena> let's test how to this fares on Hetzner: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/363
[20:46] <amansi26> blackboxsw: Can you please clearify my above doubt?
[20:47] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I think we may be able to do what we want with additionalProperties and items; patternProperties would only be necessary if we had different item schemas depending on what the key is.  (I'll push up one half of the snap change for your review before I do the other half, so you can point out whatever I'm missing. ;)
[20:51] <blackboxsw> amansi26: sorry, context switching. ok cloud-init comes into the picture rendering initial network config on most datasources whenever a new instance-id is detected from the datasource metadata. in DataSourceConfigDrive case. I'm trying to refresh myself about network config behavior
[20:52] <blackboxsw> so amansi26 https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceConfigDrive.py#L142 is what tells us if the system is considered new, and if new, network would be re-rendered for whatever new from openstack's network_data.json
[20:54] <amansi26> So in case we add a new network, it will create a new instance id?
[20:54] <blackboxsw> or rather the 'networkdata' or 'network_config' on the configdrive
[20:55] <amansi26> but the config drive come in picture at the time of initial deployment. After that if we add any network, this configDrive will not get updated with the new interface details
[20:58] <amansi26> blackboxsw: then how come the system will get to know a new network has to be added. Is it done through cloud init
[20:59] <blackboxsw> amansi26: cloud-init generally is a boot time configuration, some datasource platforms support re-rendering network config across each boot (because metadata is expected to change providing new network information). I'm trying to wrap my head around how best to do this with configdrive
[21:00] <blackboxsw> I'm trying to find you a solution that doesn't involve a hammer :)
[21:03] <blackboxsw> if your configdrive metadata isn't being changed to update the config drive's metadata(with instance-id set) or networkdata (with openstack's networkdata.json format)  or network_config (which is etc/network/interfaces fomat  file content). then I don't know how cloud-init would 'known' about the new interfaces
[21:04] <blackboxsw> for what it's work amansi26 rharper is working toward a hotplug solution that watches udev device adds to a vm
[21:04] <blackboxsw> for what it's worth*....
[21:05] <blackboxsw> that would react to seeing a new device plugged into your vm after the fact, but that would only trigger a re-crawl of metadata (ConfigDrive or openstack's network_data.json) to react to the full network config intended for that device)
[21:10] <blackboxsw> so configdrive front for the moment, I believe your environment would have to surface a new system-uuid value at /sys/class/dmi/system-uuid, which tells cloud-init to re-run. Your config drive content in networkdata or network_config would have to represent the newly added device
[21:11] <blackboxsw> and cloud-init would pick that up
[21:11] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, so patternProperties actually causes us problems.  Currently we treat keys as opaque, which means if they are accidentally integers (instead of strings as they would have to be in JSON), we don't error now, but patternProperties tracebacks (not emits a warning, or fails to validate; tracebacks) if keys aren't strings.
[21:12] <Odd_Bloke> (Perhaps this is what you discovered before when evaluating it.)
[21:14] <blackboxsw> hrm that could be Odd_Bloke sorry for the waste there if that's the case. It's been a while since I tried exercising it. At least that would confirm, can't do this on draft4. so a noop for the moment.  My only reasong to reject my previous sentiment about moving to draft7 was that I saw the patternProperties definition today in the draft4.json  schema definition and assumed functionality was there.
[21:17] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: The functionality is there, but relies on keys being strings (which they _have to be_ in JSON, but do not have to be in YAML or Python dicts), so we can't use it trivially.
[21:17] <blackboxsw> interesting, so patternProperties requires strings, we can't provide a '\d+' reference?
[21:17] <Odd_Bloke> We could, but that would match "123456" not 123456.
[21:17] <blackboxsw> ahh right right.
[21:17] <blackboxsw> hrm
[21:17] <blackboxsw> I hadn't gotten to that as far as implementation
[21:18] <Odd_Bloke> Regardless, I still don't think we actually need it for our cases.
[21:19] <blackboxsw> so Odd_Bloke to clarify: 1. you think we can find a way to describe sub-objects under opaque keys, or 2. you think we can continue to ignore strict validation of sub-objects under opaque keys
[21:19] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/364 <-- I think we can describe sub-objects under opaque keys
[21:20] <Odd_Bloke> Oh wait, I'm missing a commit there, I got distracted by testing patternProperties and didn't finish writing the commit message. :p
[21:21] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, pushed.
[21:21] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: yeah commands didn't help us in this case.
[21:22] <blackboxsw> fetching again
[21:24] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: but with assertions as dict, we don't have a definition of the properties in that dict anywhere
[21:24] <blackboxsw> assertions as object rather
[21:24] <blackboxsw> items': {'type': 'string'} applies only to list types
[21:24] <blackboxsw> it doesn't vet object types
[21:25] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I only modified commands, I haven't touched assertions yet.
[21:26] <blackboxsw> hrm... .ok sorry,drawing up the counter example for commands too
[21:28] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkKCdRvPwN/ should fail your schema python3 -m cloudinit.cmd.main devel schema -c this.yaml
[21:28] <blackboxsw> but doesn't
[21:28] <Odd_Bloke> That's still using assertions. :p
[21:29] <blackboxsw> hah, oops
[21:30] <blackboxsw> bummer. sooo yeah. maybe I'm wrong ... for the first time in my life...... in the last hour
[21:30] <Odd_Bloke> Folks, we got him.
[21:31] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Yeah, I think if you're only specifying one of them, `additionalProperties: ...` is basically the same as `patternProperties: { ".*": ...}`; both match all keys that aren't matched by `properties`.
[21:31] <blackboxsw> ok excellent Odd_Bloke yes I was using the silly wrong key.
[21:31] <blackboxsw> awesome. TIL
[21:32] <blackboxsw> ok that'll do. good deal. so that'll work for cc_apt_configure apt:sources too I think.
[21:33] <Odd_Bloke> And thinking about it, I would expect needing patternProperties is an indication that our config format is wonky; we shouldn't be switching behaviour based on substrings in configuration keys, they should all be absolute.
[21:33] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: with your branch, I think there is also some fallout due to simplitic failure annotation handling too. `python3 -m cloudinit.cmd.main devel schema -c snap.yaml  --annotate` traces
[21:33] <blackboxsw> *simplistic error annotation tracking*
[21:34] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Hmm, OK, sounds like we perhaps have a testing gap because all the tests pass.  Let me fill that gap then fix the failure(s). :)
[21:34] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: yes, I think annotations testing is very minimal
[21:35] <blackboxsw> and since we don't have a set of bad examples in different config formats we only have a couple of cases in AnnotatedCloudconfigFileTest tests/unittests/test_handler/test_schema.py
[21:36] <blackboxsw> so different object type failures and not covered at all.
[21:41] <meena> hrm… cloud-init isn't recognizing that i'm on Hetzner… once again…
[21:46] <meena> other than that, my code seems to have worked…
[21:49] <meena> updated with comments on what works and what doesn't
[21:49] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/363 that is.
[21:49] <meena> now, bed / sleep, etc…
[21:52] <meena> how do i override vendor data again?
[21:54] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, so I think the error you're seeing is because you're using integer keys.
[21:54] <Odd_Bloke> (Which people will do, so we do need to handle it.)
[21:55] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: strange github not allowing me to update branch in the UI now https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/347
[21:55] <blackboxsw> approved btw
[21:56] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MmXtpXjjrZ/ <-- it's fine with string keys, not with integer keys
[21:57] <blackboxsw> ahh nice. ok limited impact. but still noise. annotate is a half-baked feature that will break as we extend our schema use/validation tests. :/
[21:58] <blackboxsw> community notice:  Just uploaded cloud-init 20.2+ to groovy gorilla (20.10) [ubuntu/groovy-proposed] cloud-init 20.2-20-gd10ce3ec-0ubuntu1
[21:59] <meena> https://travis-ci.org/github/canonical/cloud-init/jobs/686766728 ← something's wrong with the fonts here, or my eyes
[21:59] <meena> given the tme, i'll say eyes.
[21:59] <Odd_Bloke> meena: No I think that text is meant to be red. ;)
[22:00] <blackboxsw> heh.
[22:00] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Actually it's even more specific than that: the problem is using integer keys which aren't string-represented by Python the same as the way they are expressed.  So 00 is a problem because `"00" != str(int("00"))`.
[22:01] <Odd_Bloke> But 0 is fine, for example.
[22:02] <blackboxsw> hah
[22:02] <blackboxsw> right
[22:07] <Odd_Bloke> And I'm not sure there's a good way to address that, unfortunately.
[22:08] <Odd_Bloke> Because ints are valid keys in YAML, when we read the YAML we lose the original string representation.  So I don't know how we would avoid it.
[22:08] <Odd_Bloke> Probably the best bet is to (a) make sure we aren't using keys that would fail in any examples, and (b) document that annotation will break if you use integer keys.
[22:08] <Odd_Bloke> (And (c) that patches to address that are welcome. ;)


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[10:27] <carlosqueso> !patience | bob
[10:27] <ompaul> mwalling, so what kind of disk have you got?
[10:27] <ubotu> bob: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:28] <Keneo> can someone help me with getting a pc to boot form the network?
[10:28] <Kazz> dougie: I dunno' how wine affects it, but normally you'd unmount the disk and eject it...
[10:28] <zach> @hamster
[10:28] <b0b> sorry my wife is freaking out on me because the computer won't pick up the camera
[10:28] <dougie> anyone there?
[10:28] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: Can you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 once you get that error?
[10:28] <mwalling> ompaul: burned 6.10 livecd
[10:28] <ompaul> mwalling, so what speed did you burn it at?
[10:28] <geeksauce> tonyyarusso, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9150/
[10:28] <UT_Guest_904> Kazz: I can try, if I succeed, what do I do then?
[10:29] <moonwatcher> b0b: blaming your wife wont help you here...:)
[10:29] <Iamiko> thanks to whoever posted the link for the 'how to' on installing NVidia drivers! That fixed my resolution problem nicely!
[10:29] <^DeL3e7^> congrats
[10:29] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: You could try logging in from another computer through SSH...
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> geeksauce: yeah, you can just leave it then
[10:29] <ompaul> b0b, install gphoto2
[10:29] <mwalling> ompaul: i get the problem with both the ubuntu and the xubuntu disks
[10:29] <b0b> i did that
[10:29] <zach> I'm having trouble installing an ISA dial-up modem
[10:29] <duckie> how do I kill a process in the terminal by the process's name not ID
[10:29] <UT_Guest_904> kazz: I dont have another.
[10:29] <jlgaddis> duckie: "killall name"
[10:29] <mwalling> ompaul: and the gparted live usb thumb drive
[10:29] <ompaul> b0b, maybe you have a funny camera that is not "understood" by the software
[10:30] <duckie> cheers
[10:30] <geeksauce> tonyyarusso, it is still serving on port 80 and will not work (even from the inside) on 8080
[10:30] <b0b> well it picked up fine in ubuntu 6.06
[10:30] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: It should work though...you probably just have the X config file set to use too high of a resolution/refresh rate for your monitor or somethin'...
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> geeksauce: you changed the listen though?
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> geeksauce: And restarted apache?
[10:30] <moonwatcher> i think my problem is related to: https://launchpad.net/avahi/+bug/72728/+viewstatus
[10:30] <ompaul> mwalling, sorry, am I to take it you are trying to install onto a stick?
[10:30] <dyrne> duckie: or pkill
[10:30] <Keneo> duckie, I don't know, but I use ps -A | grep name to know the proces id
[10:30] <UT_Guest_904> kazz: yes, so, if I manage to reach the console, how do I change my resolution in this config file?
[10:30] <moonwatcher> my ubuntu doesnt seem to be abke to resolve dns queries
[10:31] <hiddnx> hi ppl
[10:31] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: Have you ever used a command line text editor?
[10:31] <JasonDM> I need help getting my m-audio revolution 5.1 card working
[10:31] <UT_Guest_904> kazz, yes
[10:31] <moonwatcher> if i change my dns from the router's internal dns (<IP_ADDRESS>) to a public one (<IP_ADDRESS>) it works
[10:31] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: Errr...wait...maybe you don't need to.
[10:31] <tonyyarusso> geeksauce: I gotta run though - if that didn't do it we can try again later.  (sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 to restart after changing ports.conf)
[10:31] <dyrne> moonwatcher: cat /etc/resolv.conf    on most home systems you should have one entry like nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> or something
[10:31] <Keneo> moonwatcher, have you entered your (or your isp's) dns servers?
[10:31] <Ashex> !soundcards | JasonDM
[10:31] <Kazz> What's the name of the X config program again?  Anyone?
[10:31] <^DeL3e7^> moonwatcher, anything interesting popup via "ifconfig" console cmd
[10:31] <hiddnx> i need help with ion3
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundcards - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Ashex> !soundcard | JasonDM
[10:31] <mwalling> ompaul: no, i just got mad and tried everything. my goal was xubuntu, but i started grabbing anything i could.
[10:31] <Shyne> im trying to boot into ubuntu and it wont start. recovery console tells me the file system check failed, and drops to a console .. what do i need to do to fix it ?
[10:31] <^DeL3e7^> besides lo
[10:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soundcard - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Ashex> bah
[10:31] <moonwatcher> some incompatiablity between avahi and my router i presume
[10:31] <LjL> !sound
[10:31] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:31] <JasonDM> lol
[10:31] <carlosqueso> Kazz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i believe
[10:32] <mwalling> ompaul: my target platform is a x86
[10:32] <zach> I am having trouble installing an ISA dial-up modem in a Dell XPS-t500
[10:32] <ompaul> mwalling, okay, I will ask my "important" question again, what speed did you try to burn the disks at?
[10:32] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: There's a config script for it, people were talking about it a little while ago...what carlosqueso said could be it...
[10:32] <Keneo> moonwatcher, I know the problem, ubuntu doesn't seem to get the dns queries from the router, but if you just add them in: system, administration, network, tab dns, it works
[10:32] <UT_Guest_904> kazz: hmm? *tries to find that*
[10:32] <dougie> anyone? I'm installing WoW with wine and it wants me to swap disc's but it wont unmount the one thats in there cause its in use?? how do i swap the disc?
[10:32] <Kazz> UT_Guest_904: Otherwise you can manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but that's harder...
[10:33] <hiddnx> anyone here knows how to start it after install istead of gnome without uninstalling last?
[10:33] <Kazz> dougie: I already answered you...did you try unmounting it?  Will it not let you?
[10:33] <dyrne> dougie: well you could try umount -l /media/cdrom
[10:33] <dougie> Kazz: sorry never saw it but no i tried right clicking and going to eject and that doesn't work
[10:33] <zach> !USB
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <hiddnx> ion/ion2/ion3 ?
[10:33] <moonwatcher> Keneo, ^Del3e7^: thanks for listening :) i am not exactly sure wht is going on but it has to be some incompatability, i found this ticket, ifconfig looks , /etc/resolve.conf has <IP_ADDRESS> as it should have, eveythign works on windows, and in fact everythign works if i change <IP_ADDRESS> to a public dns
[10:34] <Kazz> hiddnx: Check their docs, they should tell you how...
[10:34] <zach> :)
[10:34] <hiddnx> do u know the link?
[10:34] <zach> l
[10:34] <moonwatcher> which is naturally no good because dhcp requests set it back to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:34] <Kazz> dougie: Try what dyrne said...if that doesn't work, wine might not be letting it go, so you might have to ask people in the wine channel or somethin'...
[10:34] <DisabledBobcat> Could anyone help me with an apache/php/mysql question I have?
[10:34] <hiddnx> Kazz:i installed docs also, i donno how to get it
[10:34] <Innatech> Does anyone have any info on an email server package that will run on Ubuntu LTS and support Blackberries somehow?
[10:35] <dougie> Kazz: ok it unmounted but it wont let me eject still
[10:35] <moonwatcher> Keneo: exactly, but i am not suppose to e using the public dns
[10:35] <moonwatcher> i have an internal dns on the router
[10:35] <Ashex> dougie, eject cdrom
[10:35] <Keneo> but your router uses a public dns somewherE?
[10:35] <Ashex> er, that's a command
[10:35] <mwalling> ompaul: i'm reburning them as slow as i can now, but my point of bringing up the liveusb was that i get the same error, which is not burned
[10:35] <moonwatcher> my gut feeling is that it has somethign to do with that infernal avahi service that sprung up at some edgy update
[10:35] <Keneo> or the ones from your isp
[10:35] <Kazz> hiddnx: I don't know the link...I don't even know what ion3 is...a WM I guess?
[10:36] <tj007s13> anyone know how to add users in vsftpd, i can only log in as annonymous???
[10:36] <^DeL3e7^> thats weird moonwatcher
[10:36] <moonwatcher> yes my router is not the problem because windows machines work perfect
[10:36] <ompaul> mwalling, so then the next question is how big is the hard drive
[10:36] <geeksauce> having trouble installing java w/ mozilla plugin, can someone help me with that too?
[10:36] <hiddnx> yes, i see the doc folder also.. :)
[10:36] <dougie> thanks!
[10:36] <moonwatcher> no fuckign shit its wired :) took me some time to understand what he hell was going on
[10:36] <ompaul> KingAztech, using a nick change in a channel with 1084 users it not really social - if we all did it the channel would not be usable
[10:36] <mwalling> ompaul: 320 gb
[10:36] <LjL> !language | moonwatcher
[10:36] <ubotu> moonwatcher: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:36] <moonwatcher> but its definitly a bug somehere
[10:36] <moonwatcher> i think its in the avahi
[10:37] <willskills> any WoW gamers here? does <IP_ADDRESS>48 work on your install? was a patch released today, I get this when I run it now; http://pastebin.com/895512 (I noticed wine 9.0.32 is out, should maybe grab that)
[10:37] <ailean> i've downloaded a version of azureus and want to extract and ./ it. where should i extract it?
[10:37] <ompaul> moonwatcher, please mind your language - if you have a bug there is launchpad.net
[10:37] <petethe1> can anyone here help out a newbie who has NEVER used any unix-related before and wants to set machine to JOIN, not as a domain-controller but as just a member, but just join a Windows NT network?
[10:37] <fiddybux> hi room. wonder if anyone can advise on this 'ACPI: Fatal Opcode Error' I'm getting on my IBM T22 laptop?
[10:37] <pawel> hello everyone
[10:38] <pawel> im new here :)
[10:38] <ed___> pawel, hi
[10:38] <Kazz> Hi. :)
[10:38] <Keneo> moonwatcher, your router is using a dns server somewhere? Can't you just add that one to system, admin, network, tab dns
[10:38] <moonwatcher> i am not really sure how to describe it
[10:38] <carlosqueso> welcome pawel, what can we help ya with?
[10:38] <dougie> hmm....strange....i had to manually mount the second disc and it still sasy WoWDisc1 instead of 2
[10:38] <tj007s13> anyone know how to add users in vsftpd, i can only log in as annonymous???
[10:38] <ompaul> mwalling, I have no reason to think that that drive would not format, what way are you partitioning it?
[10:38] <hiddnx> Kazz: thanx, good idea for this time )
[10:38] <Keneo> tj007s13, you have an option to allow local users to log in to vsftpd
[10:39] <Keneo> in the config file
[10:39] <sjust1227> does any one know anything about usb printers
[10:39] <ompaul> !ntfs | petethe1
[10:39] <ubotu> petethe1: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:39] <Kazz> dougie: There may be something different you were supposed to do for wine...there's a wine channel somewhere on this server, and they might be able to help...
[10:39] <moonwatcher> Keneo: no because every time there is a dhcp reques it goes back to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:39] <Kronuz> okay, it seems it should be it
[10:39] <moonwatcher> on the ubuntu
[10:39] <dougie> somone just said there is a how-to for WoW on wine
[10:39] <dougie> going to try and find that
[10:39] <dyrne> dougie: could you just copy all the disks to a directory then copy that to /media/cdrom or something? it normally is just first cd the restar are .pak files
[10:39] <Kronuz> brb (I'll try to reboot, I hope I didn't f*#k up everything :S)
[10:39] <moonwatcher> i know my isp's dns, thats not the point
[10:40] <Keneo> moonwatcher, you are sure?
[10:40] <ailean> i've downloaded a version of azureus and want to extract and ./ it. where should i extract it?
[10:40] <Innatech> petethe1: have a look here, follow the link to the HOWTO
[10:40] <tj007s13> Keneo: Does that mean I can log into it with my root login for linux itself?
[10:40] <pawel> how enable neiberhood in ubuntu ? (earlier i used windows :)
[10:40] <moonwatcher> the point is the routing on the ubuntu is messed up
[10:40] <mwalling> ompaul: i am getting a kernal panic. it is not even trying to format.
[10:40] <Innatech> petethe1: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522401
[10:40] <Ax3> anyone have experience with freenx? started it up and the remote screen simply stays black. could use some help plz. :)
[10:40] <Keneo> tj007s13, if you enable that option in the config file you can
[10:40] <dougie> probably could but would take forever lol
[10:41] <dyrne> Ax3: using nomachine client on xp?
[10:41] <Kazz> pawel: If you have an open "network neighborhood" thing, you should be able to get to it automatically, I think.  Check Places > Network Servers
[10:41] <moonwatcher> what is that message from avahi about not supporting .local domain?
[10:41] <ompaul> mwalling, then that is like a problem it is having with the motherboard - so you can do a couple of things there, but first what version are you using
[10:41] <ed___> hi all, im just installed herd 5, and I was wondering if when beta is released if I will have to reinstall or if I just install all the update if that will be the equivilent. and when stable comes out if i havr to reinstall or if I just have to install all updates?
[10:41] <moonwatcher> i am not even sure what it is talkign about
[10:41] <tj007s13> Keneo you are awesome!!
[10:41] <Ax3> dyrne: yup, i've had it working for the past week, i restarted the ubuntu box just nowto make sure it's not just a qwerk
[10:41] <moonwatcher> btw, it works ok at work
[10:41] <ompaul> ed___, please go to #ubuntu+1 for the development version thans
[10:41] <ompaul> thanks
[10:41] <dyrne> Ax3: youre in gnome?
[10:41] <mwalling> ompaul: xubuntu and ubuntu 6.10
[10:41] <Keneo> tj007s13, just something I had to find out in the past :)
[10:41] <moonwatcher> diffrent wireless infrastructure
[10:41] <Ax3> dyrne: yes on the remote machine :)
[10:41] <ed___> k thanks
[10:42] <cr4z3d> hello, i have a question about getting my wireless card into monitor mode. i'm only able to get my card to work with WPA using ndiswrapper and NM but can only put it into monitor mode using the prism54 driver. what's the best way to get both of these working? (monitor mode and WPA)
[10:42] <carlosqueso> ed___ in the past you've been able to just update
[10:42] <ZepDom> I have 2 drives with Ubuntu installed.  Can someone tell me how to access the contents of the non-boot drive from the booted ubuntu OS?
[10:42] <mwalling> ompaul: via sp13000 mobo
[10:42] <ompaul> !bootoptions > mwalling   (see the message from the bot - tell it to ignore all the power management stuff until you get it together a bit more
[10:42] <moonwatcher> it has to be some incompatibility between my router and ubuntu
[10:42] <Ax3> nx        4685  0.0  0.2  22272  1316 ?        Ds   16:42   0:00 nxserver -c /usr/NX/bin/nxserver --login
[10:42] <Ax3> it's definitely running
[10:43] <Ax3> ah bingo it started up
[10:43] <Ax3> a reboot actually worked, dyrne !
[10:43] <JasonDM> ok, so I did what the second link said to do, and I still get no sound ;/
[10:43] <Keneo> moonwatcher, that is true, have seen it before
[10:44] <cr4z3d> hello, i have a question about getting my wireless card into monitor mode. i'm only able to get my card to work with WPA using ndiswrapper and NM but can only put it into monitor mode using the prism54 driver. what's the best way to get both of these working? (monitor mode and WPA)
[10:44] <moonwatcher> Keneo, any suggestions?
[10:44] <moonwatcher> any idea what actually is going on?
[10:44] <moonwatcher> how come it was workign fine before?
[10:44] <ZepDom> I have 2 drives with Ubuntu installed.  Can someone tell me how to access the contents of the non-boot drive from the booted ubuntu OS?
[10:44] <mwalling> ompaul: i was able to refine my google query while talking. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63134 is talking about my problem
[10:44] <dyrne> Ax3: sorry i dont know why gnome-session isnt starting but workaround appearantly is to just ssh and start it http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2005-October/002369.html
[10:44] <Keneo> whel, as I said, I only know I always get it to work by adding the dns server to the dns tab in the network config tool
[10:44] <cr4z3d> ZepDom, i think you have to mount it
[10:44] <Keneo> btw, it is really weird
[10:45] <Keneo> since
[10:45] <Keneo> if you ping to f.ex google.com it wil resolve the dns
[10:45] <pancho> Inostdal are you here?
[10:45] <Keneo> can you confirm that?
[10:45] <ZepDom> crazed:  how do I do that?
[10:45] <Ax3> dyrne: it started up following a complete reboot of the remote box, must have been a glitch
[10:45] <petethe1> can anyone here help out a newbie who has NEVER used any unix-related before and wants to set machine to JOIN, not as a domain-controller but as just a member, but just join a Windows NT network?  more specificaly, any way to do so using 'click here, enter your passowrd' utilieis in the OS shell?  I've never directly messed with any kind of config or ini or command-line file in my life
[10:45] <Crazytom> OH MY GOD!!!!!  i finally got my wireless card working.  i used the mac address of my ap and used iwconfig eth1 ap 00:18:F8:65:xx:xx then i did a dhclient and it worked
[10:45] <cr4z3d> ZepDom, not completely sure i'm new to linux but had to do it awhile ago once
[10:45] <Crazytom> thanks for all the help
[10:45] <deep> !ftpserver
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftpserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <OuZo> should i download festy 64 or edgy 64? thanks
[10:45] <deep> !ftp
[10:45] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[10:45] <cr4z3d> is it a ntfs drive?
[10:45] <deep> !ftpd
[10:45] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[10:45] <Ax3> enough with the bot!
[10:45] <Ax3> jesus
[10:45] <ZepDom> zrazed:  thanks, ill look into it
[10:46] <deep> Ax3: ?
[10:46] <dyrne> Ax3: i often do that on vnc ill 'w' to get display then in ssh shell export DISPLAY=:whatever then start flux or xfce
[10:46] <deep> Ax3: that was like 3 commands? how is that much?
[10:46] <dyrne> Ax3: ah ok
[10:46] <riaal> is there any "easy" data encryption apps for ubuntu?
[10:46] <AlexC_> OuZo: Feisty is the alpha release and it _will_ break, it is not ready for normal use.
[10:47] <OuZo> AlexC_: thanks
[10:47] <Ax3> dyrne: yea thats what i used to do with vncserver under fedora, freenx behaves a bit differently though, need to get used to its behavior
[10:47] <tehchieftain> anyone know a good guide for installing world of warcraft and running it through wine?
[10:48] <erUSUL> !wow > tehchieftain
[10:48] <geeksauce> having trouble installing java... followed the instructions on ubuntu page but it isn't finding all the packages.  can someone help me out?
[10:48] <Kronuz> Kazz, it worked (the Ubuntu at least)
[10:48] <Kronuz> I'm in my RAID drive now ;)
[10:48] <erUSUL> geeksauce: have you enabled multiverse?
[10:48] <Botamis2> Hi guys
[10:48] <bluefoxicy> ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu/  <-- quick and dirty way I can mirror this locally and have a local repo?
[10:48] <^DeL3e7^> ive enabled all sources in mylist
[10:48] <bluefoxicy> I can ftp it all down
[10:49] <FidelCapslock> hello! I've installed xubuntu on a USB memory stick, 4GB. My problem is that it seem to be working extremely slow, with file transfere. If anyone could lead me to a an answere on this, I would be most grateful.
[10:49] <geeksauce> erUSUL, all repos enabled
[10:49] <bluefoxicy> setting up the repo is what bugs me.
[10:49] <cr4z3d> can anyone help me get my wireless into monitor mode?
[10:49] <EADG> !easyubuntu > EADG
[10:49] <bluefoxicy> I mean... I can tell it it's a CD image or something.
[10:49] <^DeL3e7^> heh
[10:49] <Botamis2> Whenever someone gets a chance, I get the error "Failed to start the X server" when i try the cd first time.
[10:49] <bluefoxicy> deb cdrom[/path/to/downloaded/files]  ?
[10:49] <Kronuz> LjL, my Vista in the NTFS didn't boot :S
[10:50] <Kronuz> I got Ubuntu running, but Vista didn't but, it just hung :(
[10:50] <Botamis2> Anyone available to help?
[10:50] <Kronuz> (before anything showed, while still at the Starting... message by Grub)
[10:50] <carlosqueso> Botamis2: does it give you a command line/
[10:50] <carlosqueso> ?
[10:50] <shadeofgrey> okay
[10:50] <erUSUL> geeksauce: and what is the error you are getting? (use pastebin)
[10:50] <deep> Botamis2: the cd? you mean the livecd?
[10:50] <Botamis2> in the begining yes Carlos
[10:51] <Ax3> might need to mess with xorg.conf
[10:51] <Botamis2> Yes Lice
[10:51] <Kronuz> can anyone help me figure out if I can make my NTFS work again?
[10:51] <Botamis2> err
[10:51] <Botamis2> Live
[10:51] <predaeus> FidelCapslock, if you have USB1.0 it will be slow. If the computer supports USB2.0 it will be alot better.
[10:51] <ailean> where's java kept on ubuntu?
[10:51] <SoulChild> hey all, i want to see all packages that are not included in ubuntu-minimal, gnome-core and xorg, how do i set up this filter ???
[10:51] <carlosqueso> botamice: after you get tat error too?
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> would somebody please explain to me why the installation of ubuntu on macbookpro's is still so aprehensibly complicated?
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> furthermore
[10:51] <deep> Botamis2: Hmm, how about using the alt. cd?
[10:51] <shadeofgrey> are the ati video drives fubared still?
[10:51] <Botamis2> alt cd?
[10:52] <Jowi> shadeofgrey, what type of cpu and graphic card in that one and which version of ubuntu?
[10:52] <Botamis2> I went to downloads and I clicked the newest version, 6.10
[10:52] <Botamis2> burned the cd and away i went
[10:52] <FidelCapslock> predaeus: thank you for your reply. I have USB 2.0, working great in windows xp and vista. Could this be a problem with configuration of some kind?
[10:52] <carlosqueso> !alternate | Botamis2
[10:52] <ubotu> Botamis2: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install.  PHPMyAdmin works just fine, I can create databases and edit them ect. I cannot connect though, with my own php script. I'm using "mysql_connect("localhost", "uname", "pass") where uname and pass are my username and password. Any ideas?
[10:53] <Botamis2> So then I would want my Live CD
[10:53] <predaeus> FidelCapslock, sry don't know.
[10:53] <carlosqueso> botamis2..but since you can't install with it, you'll need the alternate
[10:53] <SoulChild> hey all, i want to see all packages that are not included in ubuntu-minimal, gnome-core and xorg, how do i set up this filter ???
[10:53] <Botamis2> So when I run this Live CD, what do I do in the begining. Oh why's that?
[10:54] <FidelCapslock> predaeus: thank you anyway!
[10:54] <erUSUL> geeksauce: in edgy you hace sun-java5-jre the 6 version is only in backports... have you enabled backports...
[10:54] <carlosqueso> because X isn't workign on the live CD
[10:54] <erUSUL> ?
[10:54] <predaeus> you are welcome
[10:54] <Botamis2> alright and where would i find this alt?
[10:54] <carlosqueso> Botamis2, where, physically are you?
[10:54] <deep> !alternate | Botamis2
[10:54] <ubotu> Botamis2: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[10:54] <deep> Hmm (:
[10:54] <Slasherx2> !kvirc
[10:54] <Botamis2> Indiana
[10:54] <ubotu> kvirc: KDE based next generation IRC client with module support. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.4-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2871 kB, installed size 8644 kB
[10:54] <deep> No link there, though. ;<
[10:55] <deep> Botamis2: w8 :)
[10:55] <Botamis2> K
[10:55] <Slasherx2> hey everyone
[10:55] <carlosqueso> http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/edgy/ scroll to alternate botamis2
[10:55] <Jowi> shadeofgrey, the standard edgy desktop cd should install without a problem if you have a MBR partition (slightly more complex with GPT). I don't know about the ati drivers (got a 945GM in the mac mini working flawlessly with accellerated graphics)
[10:55] <JasonDM> sound still doesn't work ;/
[10:55] <Botamis2> Thanks man
[10:55] <Slasherx2> can anyone tell me how come kvirc isn't showing up in apt-get anymore? (it did before, but i messed up ubuntu and had to start again --- thanks ATi, NOT lol)
[10:56] <carlosqueso> botamis2...you may have to do some manual tweaking to get x to work once you install, but it should at least work
[10:56] <carlosqueso> yw
[10:56] <Jowi> shadeofgrey, the edgy version of GRUB is fine. in dapper you would need to install lilo.
[10:56] <geeksauce> erUSUL, i thought i enabled all repos, but i will double-check
[10:56] <Botamis2> Alright thanks again
[10:56] <carlosqueso> np...good luck
[10:57] <Jowi> shadeofgrey, so, if you plan _not_ to dualboot OSX I would recommend creating a 200MB MBR partition instead of the GPT one.
[10:58] <Kronuz> hey, is there a way I can force mounting a ntfs partition?
[10:58] <Lauren1> Is this channel an English channel only?
[10:58] <Jowi> yes Lauren1
[10:59] <Kronuz> I shrunk the ntfs partition using ntfsresize and fdisk
[10:59] <Jowi> Lauren1, other languages are available though
[10:59] <Kronuz> but now it seems it's no longer working :S
[10:59] <incorperated> hey
[10:59] <geeksauce> erUSUL, heh, i had all repos enabled except that and proposed updates.  i'll try again.  ultimately i'm trying to get frostwire to work.
[10:59] <incorperated> can someone help me with apache
[10:59] <incorperated> step by step
[10:59] <incorperated> please
[10:59] <Jowi> Lauren1, what language do you speak?
[10:59] <incorperated> im a newb
[10:59] <Kronuz> anyone has any idea how I can try to recover it?
[10:59] <slawson> incorperated,
[10:59] <Kazz> Kronuz: The partition was made with vista, wasn't it?
[10:59] <erUSUL> geeksauce: the 6 version is in backports
[10:59] <Lauren1> I can do English and French
[10:59] <incorperated> yeah slawson
[10:59] <slawson> Open a terminal type sudo apt-get update
[10:59] <erUSUL> !backports > geeksauce
[10:59] <Kronuz> Kazz, yep
[11:00] <Lauren1> This my first attemp at using Gaim
[11:00] <Jowi> Lauren1, stay here for english or /join #ubuntu-fr for french support
[11:00] <slawson> after that is complete type sudo apt-get install apache
[11:00] <likwidtek> hey guys, I would like some tips on installing applications under WINE.  Is it possible to integrate WINE with the UI so if I double click an EXE file it will auto WINE it?  Or do I need to always drop to the terminal?
[11:00] <Kronuz> Kazz, but I used ntfsresize 1.13.1 (supposedly with Vista support)
[11:00] <Lauren1> How can I follow my thread all is going so fast
[11:00] <incorperated> slawson is there a private room
[11:00] <incorperated> we can go to
[11:00] <incorperated> to many people
[11:01] <Kazz> Kronuz: I think it should be recoverable, but I don't remember how...I hope there wasn't important data on there already that wasn't backed up though...
[11:01] <Jowi> Lauren1, that is a problem when it's busy in here :)
[11:01] <milanm> hi guys, anyone knows of any ubuntu equivalent of windoze "SQL Navigator" ?
[11:01] <Kronuz> <.<
[11:01] <Kronuz> >.>
[11:01] <hypn0> with over 1000 people,, its going pretty slow :-))
[11:01] <Kronuz> there might be some important data (maybe not much, but I can't remember)
[11:01] <Lauren1> Thank you jowi
[11:01] <JasonDM> ;[
[11:01] <Kazz> milanm: There are probably several options...I haven't gone looking for one yet though, so I dunno' what's best...
[11:01] <Jowi> Lauren1, de rien
[11:01] <erUSUL> Lauren1: those talking to you will prepend ypur name to the phrase and most irc clients will highlight those lines
[11:02] <JasonDM> someone care to help me set up my m-audio revo 5.1 card and ubuntu to work together?
[11:02] <incorperated> slawson
[11:02] <disposable> i'm trying to stop apache2 from displaying its version and my distro name. i've added 'ServerTokens Prod' into httpd.conf and restarted /etc/init.d/apache2 but to no avail. what am i missing?
[11:02] <Kazz> Kronuz: Yuck...you should always make backups, especially before doing weird things like setting up RAID or resizing partitions...
[11:02] <geeksauce> while that is downloading, can someone help me out with a screen resolution problem?  i know my video card can do better and right now it won't go any higher than 1024x768
[11:02] <JasonDM> geeksauce, me too
[11:02] <UT_Guest_765> HELP! Im going insane, been rebooting for 2 hours now! I get a resolution error each time I try to enter Ubuntu! I cant even eneter the command thingy(alt+ctrl+f1) without the screen being scrambled! Help!
[11:02] <Kronuz> Kazz, I didn't think it was that dangerous :P
[11:03] <Lauren1> I installed Ubuntu on a preformatted FAT32 drive. The volume name is SCRUB. Is there a way to eother delete this or rename it
[11:03] <Jowi> ubotu, tell geeksauce about resolution
[11:03] <likwidtek> hey guys, I would like some tips on installing applications under WINE.  Is it possible to integrate WINE with the UI so if I double click an EXE file it will auto WINE it?  Or do I need to always drop to the terminal?
[11:03] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: what version did you install? might try feisty or dapper instead
[11:03] <carlosqueso> UT_Guest: cann you boot into a recovery mode from grub and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:03] <boredandblogging> milanm, have you tried squirrel sql? it works pretty well
[11:03] <carlosqueso> ?
[11:03] <Kazz> Kronuz: It's never been a safe thing, really...it's usually not too dangerous, but still, I would be worried about possibly losing important data...
[11:03] <erUSUL> Lauren1: maybe gparted can set partitons labels i do not know for sure
[11:03] <incorperated> can someone help me with apache
[11:03] <JasonDM> !resolution
[11:03] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:03] <incorperated> step by step
[11:03] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: feisty is pretty stable
[11:03] <incorperated> please
[11:04] <UT_Guest_765> dyrne: edgy
[11:04] <disposable> dyrne, feisty is buggy like hell
[11:04] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: soo alt-ctrl-f2 you cant login?
[11:04] <UT_Guest_765> dyrne:or edge
[11:04] <Kronuz> Kazz, so there are ways to recover/fix the NTFS volume?
[11:04] <geeksauce> Jowi, thanks for the link.  i figured that whole thing would have been fixed in edgy. (i had the problem in hoary and breezy)
[11:04] <Lauren1> erUSUL: I have looked at gparted. Nothing there for this option
[11:04] <moonwatcher> Keneo: should i wait for a bugfix? should i get a new router? a new computer a diffrent os? install openwrt on the router?
[11:04] <moonwatcher> a clue?
[11:04] <dyrne> disposable: i didnt run into problems in herd3 or 4 havent upgraded to 5 though
[11:04] <incorperated> anyone
[11:04] <incorperated> can help
[11:04] <incorperated> someone
[11:05] <Keneo> moonwatcher, you should get it to work
[11:05] <Kazz> Kronuz: There might be...I read something about recovering from a messed up resizing of an ntfs partition recently, but I've read so many pages I can't tell ya where I saw it... :(
[11:05] <carlosqueso> !repeat | incorperated
[11:05] <ubotu> incorperated: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:05] <Jowi> Lauren1, "parted" should be able to name partitions
[11:05] <Slasherx2> :\
[11:05] <dyrne> disposable: well small lib issues and some binary problems and nvidia had to install manually but other than that
[11:05] <UT_Guest_765> dyrne: alt+ctrl+f2 during the loading sequence and nothing happens. if I hit alt+ctrl+f1 tho I enter some dos-look-a-like, but when its ready to be used the screen gets scrabled!
[11:05] <Kazz> Probably on linux-ntfs.org I'm guessing, but I'm not sure...
[11:05] <milanm> boredandblogging, didn't try anything yet. Fishing for options. Have 10 remote Oracle databases, would like to know what's good.
[11:05] <Keneo> moonwatcher, you should use a public dns server, or a dns provided by your isp
[11:05] <Kronuz> Kazz, it says I should run chkdsk /f
[11:05] <disposable> dyrne, try expert install of 64bit version. i've submitted so many bugs that i've now given up on it...
[11:05] <Kazz> You could ask in their forum if you can't find anything else...
[11:05] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: you have to give it a bit more time to boot i think
[11:05] <incorperated> ok
[11:05] <giod> can someone help me set up dual monitors
[11:05] <milanm> thanks for suggestions, evereyone
[11:05] <incorperated> sorry
[11:05] <Kronuz> but I can't boot
[11:06] <Keneo> moonwatcher, that is what your router does anyway I guess
[11:06] <Lauren1> Jowi: thank you I will look further in gparted I guess its the same a parted?
[11:06] <boredandblogging> milanm, I've used squirrel for informix dbs on windows and linux, works fine
[11:06] <Slasherx2> anyone have any idea how i would go about installing kvirc?
[11:06] <Jowi> Lauren1, it is not the same
[11:06] <dmb062082> any idea why browsing the interrnet (only browsing) is so slow?
[11:06] <dyrne> disposable: i have great regard for you 64bit users.  i wont be using it till you guys sort everything out :)
[11:06] <Slasherx2> dmb062082: which browser?
[11:06] <Popoi> do someone use gift (apollon, giftoxic) here? I need help compilin fasttrack plugin form source
[11:06] <dmb062082> NY...
[11:07] <Kazz> Kronuz: Sorry, I really can't remember what they said they did...and there's no guarantee that it'd work, but hopefully you can find something about it and get it fixed... :(
[11:07] <disposable> dyrne, :)
[11:07] <erUSUL> Lauren1: install mtools and use the malbel command
[11:07] <dmb062082> ANY.... ff or he other two big ones
[11:07] <Lauren1> Jowi: I will try and come back later. Bye
[11:07] <carlosqueso> Slasherx2: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[11:07] <erUSUL> Lauren1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1948105
[11:07] <UT_Guest_765> dyrne, as soon as the command(dos thingy) has loaded and I can start typing it gets scrmbed to the point where it doesnt look like letters anymore.
[11:07] <dmb062082> forgive my typin
[11:07] <dmb062082> keyboard is failing
[11:07] <tehchieftain> what kind of icon files does ubuntu use?
[11:07] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: wait until you can use f2.
[11:07] <posingaspopular> dmb062082: what are youn looking for? sorry i didnt read above.
[11:08] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: if that doesnt work honestly it might be easier to use dapper and then upgrade to feister a month or 2 from now
[11:08] <Slasherx2> weird
[11:08] <disposable> tehchieftain, /usr/share/pixmaps
[11:08] <Slasherx2> works fine for me... wireless or wired?
[11:08] <dmb062082> my browsing speeds..... page loads  only are very slow
[11:08] <Gesu1> hey there is it possible to make a program (like GAIM instant messenger for example) to automatically launch on start up and minimize (and join #ubuntu)?
[11:08] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: theres too many possiblities to troubleshoot without access
[11:08] <dmb062082> my download speed is ust fine
[11:08] <Jowi> !ipv6 | dmb062082
[11:08] <ubotu> dmb062082: To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[11:09] <UT_Guest_765> dyrne: I never can. if I wait until ubuntu has loaded, the screen goes black and from then on no alt+ctrl-commands work
[11:09] <Slasherx2> strange
[11:09] <giod> can someone help me set up dual monitors
[11:09] <tobyr> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu and XP installed on the same drive as a Dual Boot, can I make my Linux Partition bigger safely?
[11:09] <dmb062082> ty
[11:09] <tehchieftain> gesu1, i was wondering the same thing.
[11:09] <carlosqueso> UT_Guest_765: you should be able to choose "recovery mode" from the grub menu
[11:09] <carlosqueso> hit escape when gbooting
[11:09] <UT_Guest_765> carl: yes
[11:10] <Gesu1> so there's not like a 'startup' folder like in windows?
[11:10] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: hit 'e' key at boot prompt and add this to the end of the kernel line: 'init=/bin/sh'  hit enter then the b button to boot. when you are at a # prompt type 'mount -o remount,rw /'
[11:10] <geeksauce> Jowi, i am using nVidia drivers so i followed those instructions and i assume i need to restart x.  what's the command for that?
[11:10] <dyrne> UT_Guest_765: might work
[11:10] <carlosqueso> try that, and then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the command line after you log in
[11:10] <kimiks> chi pu darmi una mano
[11:10] <kimiks> ?
[11:10] <baronerik> hi gnutella thinks my version is very old. how can i upgrade it?
[11:10] <kimiks> in italiano
[11:10] <kimiks> ?
[11:10] <UT_Guest_765> ok, thank you both. gonna try it.
[11:10] <erUSUL> !it > kimiks
[11:10] <Kazz> tobyr: You can, but resizing partitions isn't completely safe, so back up your important data if you do it.
[11:10] <Jowi> geeksauce, sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart.
[11:11] <carlosqueso> !it | kimiks
[11:11] <ubotu> kimiks: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:11] <tobyr> Kaz
[11:11] <tobyr> Ive got no important data
[11:11] <tobyr> So heh :)
[11:11] <tobyr> Can I use partitionmagic?
[11:11] <kimiks> grazie per l'aiuto
[11:11] <tehchieftain> anyone know how to make gaim auto join irc channels?
[11:11] <tobyr> Or is there a better app?
[11:11] <Kazz> tobyr: Yeah, it should be able to do it.
[11:11] <tobyr> Thankyou Kazz
[11:11] <Kazz> tobyr: But seriously, if you're gonna' be upset if you lose things, back it up!
[11:11] <Slasherx2> tehchieftain: kvirc is good for an irc client, but im currently stuck as how to install it lol
[11:12] <Kazz> Just in case.
[11:12] <tobyr> Ok
[11:12] <tobyr> Thanks :)
[11:12] <Kazz> np :)
[11:12] <tehchieftain> is it a linux irc client?
[11:12] <moonwatcher> Keneo: that doesnt make much sense as the router caches those queries
[11:12] <tehchieftain> hell, im just going to get mirc and run it in wine
[11:12] <erUSUL> tehchieftain: xchat
[11:12] <carlosqueso> Slasherx2, just type sudo apt-get install kvirc at a command prompt
[11:12] <Kazz> tehchieftain: Xchat's good. :)
[11:12] <moonwatcher> well a normal router should, will have openwrt on it soon, hopefully this whole thing will be gone
[11:12] <Kazz> Or at least I think it is.
[11:12] <tehchieftain> xchat? anything like mirc?
[11:12] <Kazz> Yeah, kinda'.
[11:12] <Slasherx2> carlesoriol: i did, not found :(
[11:12] <varkatope_> hi
[11:12] <Jowi> tehchieftain, better
[11:12] <Kazz> I think so too. :)
[11:13] <carlosqueso> Slasherx2, do you have universe enabled?
[11:13] <Slasherx2> E: Couldn't find package kvirc
[11:13] <schasi> Hi there
[11:13] <Slasherx2> i have no idea probably not
[11:13] <JasonDM> sound still doesn't work
[11:13] <tehchieftain> in xchat can you join multiple servers at once?
[11:13] <schasi> How to best install xen and nvidia at the same time?
[11:13] <JasonDM> tehchieftain, yes
[11:13] <erUSUL> !repos > Slasherx2
[11:13] <Slasherx2> !repos
[11:13] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[11:13] <Jowi> tehchieftain, yes
[11:13] <tehchieftain> alright, ill check it out
[11:13] <Jowi> !info xchat
[11:13] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[11:13] <tehchieftain> !xchat
[11:13] <Slasherx2> thanks i will have a look at that
[11:14] <baronerik> anyone knows how to upgrade gnutella ?
[11:14] <erUSUL> !info irssi
[11:14] <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.10-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1010 kB, installed size 2788 kB
[11:14] <geeksauce> Jowi, that did not work. would running the autoconfiguration script again help?  i'm hesitant because i'm using Nvidia drivers
[11:14] <xethx96> Hello all
[11:14] <carlosqueso> slasherx2: type sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and make it look like http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[11:15] <Jowi> geeksauce, I'm unsure when it comes to nvidia. Might be that a kernel module for your card has been installed. a reboot might be necessary
[11:15] <xethx96> im brand new to linux and im trying to make it so my netgear wireless pci card will work
[11:15] <moonwatcher> Keneo: anyway every time i reconnect or dhcp lease times out i get <IP_ADDRESS>, which again makes sense, and since it is a standard firmware on the router at the moment, nothing much i can do about it
[11:15] <Kazz> Gotta' go for a while, see you all later. :)
[11:15] <Jowi> !nvidia | geeksauce
[11:15] <ubotu> geeksauce: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:15] <Kazz> ...or some of you, anyway.
[11:15] <geeksauce> Jowi, i had to reboot because i don't know how to restart x once it shuts down.
[11:16] <xethx96> can anyone please tell me?
[11:16] <dyrne> xethx96: best bet usually is to search ubuntuforums.org for your model card. you can usually find a howto
[11:16] <Keneo> moonwatcher, yes, you get <IP_ADDRESS> as your ip adres, but this doesn't have to do a thing with which dns server you are going to use?
[11:16] <carlosqueso> geeksauce: just type sudo gdm or sudo startx
[11:16] <posingaspopular> !x
[11:16] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:16] <geeksauce> Jowi, i already have those drivers
[11:16] <Slasherx2> hey, thanks, i think i found it now you mention universe thingy
[11:16] <posingaspopular> geeksauce: ^
[11:16] <dyrne> xethx96: and of course ask here
[11:16] <Slasherx2> :D
[11:16] <darkcommon> how I can install an splash for booting of Beryl
[11:16] <xethx96> ok
[11:16] <carlosqueso> slasherx2 great! enjoy
[11:16] <xethx96> im new to linux
[11:16] <Jowi> geeksauce, I've only installed one nvidia card in my life (worked fine but still). I don't think I'm the right person to ask.
[11:17] <moonwatcher> Keneo: worng, i get <IP_ADDRESS> as my ip address, or something similar. <IP_ADDRESS> is the router which is also defualt gateway and dns
[11:17] <darkcommon> carlosqueso ers espanol?+
[11:17] <giod> Can someone please help me set up dual monitors
[11:17] <Slasherx2> !es
[11:17] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:17] <xethx96> iv got anetgear WG511 v2 pci card and im trying to get it to work so i have internet
[11:17] <thingy> grrr I demand you all stop using the word thingy ... its making my xchat window flash! :-(
[11:17] <carlosqueso> darkcommon...nope, internet nick from when worked at chuck e. cheeses
[11:17] <geeksauce> Jowi, ok.  thanks anyway.  i'll try some stuff and if i still can't get it to work i'll start asking around
[11:17] <Slasherx2> word thingy?
[11:17] <Slasherx2> lol
[11:17] <Slasherx2> oh lmao
[11:17] <darkcommon> oh... OK
[11:17] <carlosqueso> sorry
[11:17] <Slasherx2> sorry haha
[11:18] <moonwatcher> Keneo : the router IS the dns, of course it uses the isp's dns which it gets in turn when it negotiated the ppp connection (PPPoA) but it caches dns queries
[11:18] <xethx96> soo...?
[11:18] <darkcommon> no problem, I talk english... well
[11:18] <xethx96> anyone goint to help?
[11:18] <giod> can anyone?
[11:18] <erUSUL> !wifi > xethx96
[11:18] <dyrne> xethx96: http://e-lehmann.de/index.php/2006/12/23/wlan-on-ubuntu-via-netgear-wg511v2/  might help
[11:18] <giod> :(
[11:19] <giod> no one will help me :(
[11:19] <carlosqueso> !repeat | giod
[11:19] <ubotu> giod: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:19] <Slasherx2> xethx96: is your wireless card recognised by ubuntu
[11:19] <Jowi> giod, have you tried here: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead
[11:19] <Keneo> moonwatcher, I don't get your problem, your router is <IP_ADDRESS>, ok, you are <IP_ADDRESS> (f.ex) you put a public dns server in system, administration, network, tab dns, and let <IP_ADDRESS> in there either. So, now your ip won't change, the dhcp server won't change that dns server (or does it?) and your router will keep it's ip, what is the prob?
[11:19] <giod> yea
[11:19] <DisabledBobcat> :) I figured out my php/mysql problem
[11:20] <aos> hey
[11:20] <giod> i dont really get it
[11:20] <aos> what repository i need to add to instal skype?
[11:20] <giod> cause i dont know if i need this dmx or chromium or what
[11:20] <geeksauce> still can't figure out how to fix my screen resolution after installing nvidia drivers...help!
[11:21] <carlosqueso> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free aos
[11:21] <aos> ty
[11:21] <carlosqueso> of course without the aos on the end
[11:21] <aos> hehe
[11:21] <Slasherx2> lol
[11:21] <moonwatcher> Keneo: i have to remove the 192,168.1.1 and replace it with say <IP_ADDRESS>, otherwise it doesnt work, and then again, it goes back to 192,1681.1.1 everytime i reconnect, its a laptop, at east once a day it reconnects, take it to work com eback home
[11:21] <Jowi> !skype | aos
[11:21] <ubotu> aos: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:21] <Keneo> you don't have to remove <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:22] <dyrne> geeksauce: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf     no scroll down to the bottom and edit the entry for default 24. if you dont have a gui use sudo nano instead of gksudo gedit
[11:22] <moonwatcher> what i did now is increase dhcp lease to 72 hours so at least i get to keep the manual dns
[11:22] <giod> Jowi: yes i have tried there
[11:22] <Keneo> moonwatcher, you don't have to remove <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:22] <moonwatcher> Keneo: still thats not a permanent solution
[11:22] <Jowi> giod, what graphic card do you have?
[11:22] <Keneo> ok
[11:22] <giod> Jowi: nvidia
[11:22] <chief> muheaheah
[11:22] <tehchieftain> yey
[11:22] <moonwatcher> i dont want to go to a public dn for evry request
[11:22] <tehchieftain> got it working
[11:23] <Keneo> moonwatcher, can you tell me if dns get's resolved if you ping ubuntu.com
[11:23] <moonwatcher> i mean what do i have a outer for???
[11:23] <Keneo> with the not working settings
[11:23] <Jowi> giod, think it's called twinview
[11:23] <moonwatcher> Keneo: wil try now. brb (probebly make me dissconnect)
[11:23] <tehchieftain> is there a way i can set a certain task to be done on connecting to an irc server with xchat
[11:23] <geeksauce> dyrne, edit it to say what?
[11:23] <tehchieftain> like a perform or something
[11:23] <riaal> anyone uses a password organizer?
[11:24] <giod> Jowi: i know its called twinview
[11:24] <Keneo> since, I got this weird situation where ping does resolve dns, but other aplications (like irc client/firefox) don't
[11:24] <giod> Jowi: i just dont know how to set it up
[11:24] <moonwatcher> Keneo: wait
[11:24] <Keneo> k
[11:24] <moonwatcher> i think your right
[11:24] <moonwatcher> pink works
[11:24] <moonwatcher> firefox irc dont
[11:24] <moonwatcher> right
[11:24] <Keneo> let's fill a bug then :)
[11:24] <dyrne> geeksauce: "" "" ""  the resolution in quotes it trys from left to right so highest first to lowest
[11:25] <moonwatcher> i am not sure how to ven begin to explain all this
[11:25] <moonwatcher> :)
[11:25] <Keneo> had this probrlem with a friend of mine, will ask him wich router he uses
[11:25] <duckie> /leav
[11:25] <Vilhelms> I downloaded electric sheep and got it to run correctly but I'm trying to get it to run as a screen saver. So I made a .desktop file, and if I double click the .desktop filei t loads electric sheep just fine but to set it as a screen saver I drag & dropped the file to gnome-screensaver and restaretd the app, selected Electric Sheep as the screen saver but it does not show a preview. If I hit preview itj ust shows me a gray window, and if I set it as my bac
[11:25] <Vilhelms> kground it just fades to black. Any ideas on how i could fix that?
[11:25] <moonwatcher> Keneo: must have somethign to do with the messgae about .local coming from the avahi...
[11:25] <Keneo> moonwatcher, can you give me your routers specs?
[11:25] <Jowi> giod, well as I told geeksauce I don't know alot about nvidia cards. this should give you the info you need to get started https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[11:26] <moonwatcher> Keneo: its a linksys ADSL2MUE
[11:26] <geeksauce> dyrne, what's the next up from 1024x768?  i know it ends in 1024...forgot the beginning number though :P
[11:26] <moonwatcher> will have openwrt on it as soon as the 2.6 branch for AR7 will be working
[11:26] <Keneo> avahi
[11:26] <Keneo> ?
[11:26] <AlteredBeast> just a quick question: is there a chkconfig alternative for debian/ubunutu? (I'm coming mostly from the RH camp)
[11:26] <moonwatcher> currently running stock (meaning crap) firmware
[11:26] <yomm_> lol , trying out this Iranian Debian distro , it's very nice !
[11:26] <yomm_> parsix :)
[11:27] <Jowi> geeksauce, 1280x1024 is next up
[11:27] <yomm_> Debian is conquering the world :)
[11:27] <adam_lw> Hello-- can anyone explain why Firefox doesn't respect menu theme settings from gtkrc?
[11:27] <geeksauce> Jowi thanks
[11:28] <carlosqueso> adam_lw cause firefox uses it's own engine iirc
[11:29] <Jowi> adam_lw, firefox toolbar is not is not gtk based...?
[11:29] <Keneo> moonwatcher, I have seen this problem on a fresh install of 6.10 64bit
[11:29] <Botamis2> Hi does anyone know if there is another download link that i can get the alt ver. of ubuntu 6.10?
[11:29] <adam_lw> Doesn't seem to be... I have a Vista-like setup running where the menubar in Gnome apps is white text on blue, but Firefox makes black text on blue... i.e. nearly unreadable
[11:29] <tehchieftain> how do i select a certain resolution to boot with?  i need 1280x800, i added it to my xorg.
[11:29] <Vilhelms> I downloaded electric sheep and got it to run correctly but I'm trying to get it to run as a screen saver. So I made a .desktop file, and if I double click the .desktop filei t loads electric sheep just fine but to set it as a screen saver I drag & dropped the file to gnome-screensaver and restaretd the app, selected Electric Sheep as the screen saver but it does not show a preview. If I hit preview itj ust shows me a gray window, and if I set it as my bac
[11:29] <Vilhelms> kground it just fades to black. Any ideas on how i could fix that?
[11:30] <geeksauce> Jowi, when i ran that command to restart x, i got a screen with a flashing underscore and no command would work at all, even basic ones.  it would just give me flashing underscore.
[11:30] <Jowi> tehchieftain, you set the framebuffer resolution (see !framebuffer)
[11:30] <whonicca> how do u upload to usenet on linux?
[11:30] <Albert_> everytime i try to launch add/remove it says failed to check for installed and avaible applications...and something about a major failure of the software management system...whats wrong?
[11:30] <NineTails> sup?
[11:30] <Albinotux> Hello, I've installed berryl, and now when I first get into gnome, the "window manager" setup screen hangs, any suggestions?
[11:30] <tehchieftain> !resolution
[11:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:30] <carlosqueso> Botamis2: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/GetUbuntu/download?action=show&redirect=download and scroll to alternate after choosing your mirror
[11:30] <NineTails> ?
[11:30] <riaal> what do you ppl think is the best DC client?
[11:30] <moonwatcher> Keneo: i want sure what was going on, so i did  afresh install of fiesty herd 5 last night
[11:31] <moonwatcher> this is reproduced
[11:31] <adam_lw> jowi Doesn't seem to be... I have a Vista-like setup running where the menubar in Gnome apps is white text on blue, but Firefox makes black text on blue... i.e. nearly unreadable
[11:31] <Jowi> geeksauce, yeah, it does that sometimes.
[11:31] <Albert_> everytime i try to launch add/remove it says failed to check for installed and avaible applications...and something about a major failure of the software management system...whats wrong?   can someone help me please?
[11:32] <geeksauce> Jowi, heh...sometimes?  any reason?
[11:32] <adam_lw> carlosqueso I figured that had to be the case... can I trick it somehow?
[11:32] <carlosqueso> Albert_ are you connected to the internet?
[11:32] <Albert_> yes
[11:32] <ailean> guys - i installed bittyrant and it loaded up fine but it's not downloading feisty.iso - is ubuntu blocking my bittorrent port?
[11:32] <Jowi> geeksauce, don't know. happens for me as well now and then. doesn't seem to follow any pattern.
[11:33] <carlosqueso> adam_lw, get a lighter theme from addons.mozilla.org
[11:33] <mlaci> i've just upgraded to a core 2 duo and using edgy. i want smp, but it's not clear to me which kernel package should i install. anybody can help me?
[11:33] <giod> Jowi: ive followed that and it still dosent work
[11:33] <geeksauce> Jowi, hmm.  well, i will try restarting the whole system this time.  back in a few.
[11:33] <Jowi> geeksauce, I usually restart by going to console, log in and use "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" followed by "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[11:34] <carlosqueso> Albert_ then paste the results of cat /etc/apt/sources.list in paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give me the url
[11:34] <Jowi> giod, can't help you any further i'm afraid. no experience with that hardware.
[11:34] <Keneo> moonwatcher, I'm off
[11:34] <Keneo> bey
[11:34] <Keneo> X
[11:34] <Keneo> going to see to fill bug tomorow :)
[11:34] <adam_lw> carlosqueso That would work, but do you think there's any way to make it respect gtkrc settings so I don't have a mashup of window styles?
[11:34] <Albert_> Carlos it says access denied
[11:34] <carlosqueso> adam_lw...your guess is as good as mine..I just found a theme that went with my setup
[11:35] <carlosqueso> Albert_, sorry put sudo in front of the command
[11:35] <adam_lw> carlosqueso Thanks m8
[11:35] <Albert_> o
[11:35] <carlosqueso> sorry I couldn't help more
[11:36] <Albert_> ok..it says command not found
[11:36] <kessel> hi
[11:36] <alexboy> evening, all
[11:36] <bruenig> !howdy | alexboy
[11:36] <ubotu> alexboy: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[11:37] <kmaynard> jeez, all that to say hi?
[11:37] <JasonDM> sounds still doesn't work ;[
[11:38] <alexboy> lol
[11:38] <carlosqueso> Albert_ you typed sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:38] <JasonDM> audio was working the last time I used ubuntu
[11:38] <JasonDM> (5.10, I believe)
[11:38] <geeksauce> gah...still can't get video to work right with nvidia drivers.
[11:38] <alexboy> always found Linux audio rather backwards. and am coming up against it again now
[11:39] <kmaynard> i've got a soundblaster, works great
[11:39] <JasonDM> !sound
[11:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:39] <alexboy> thanks, JasonDM
[11:39] <kmaynard> !worksforme
[11:39] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:40] <GionnyBoss> how can I set up an nfs server on Ubuntu Edgy? can you suggest me a guide, please?
[11:40] <riqz> Hey fellas i need to have a script that enables me to run this command: wine z:/media/hda1/programmi/dc++/dcplusplus.exe          where do i start
[11:40] <Vaalth> hey, how can i burn an iso image from the command line?
[11:40] <VII> hiya! Im back! And Im inside now! :D
[11:40] <bruenig> riqz, what is the name of this script?
[11:40] <Vaalth> im kind of a noob so something really automated would be nice :P
[11:40] <bruenig> Vaalth, cd or dvd
[11:40] <Vaalth> cd
[11:41] <geeksauce> oops, edited wrong line.  restart and hopefully third time's the charm.
[11:41] <JasonDM> hmmmm
[11:41] <bruenig> Vaalth, cdrecord dev=/dev/whatever nameofiso.iso
[11:41] <Albert_> ok it worked what do i do now
[11:41] <riqz> bruenig no i just need that command to happen when i click a shortcut for example. I dont know where to start
[11:41] <Vaalth> by default if i have one cd drive would it be dev=/dev/hdc ?
[11:42] <bruenig> riqz, right what do you want the name of the script to be
[11:42] <Vaalth> or is there a way to check?
[11:42] <VII> My windows are moving really laggy, and when I scroll in firefox its laggy aswell. I bet its my graphics drivers. WHen I install windows its always like this before I install them. What to do?
[11:42] <bruenig> Vaalth, yeah probably
[11:42] <Vaalth> thanks :))
[11:42] <JasonDM> anyone know where firefox stores it's user profiles?
[11:42] <carlosqueso> Albert_ paste it into paste.ubuntu-nl.org and put the url it gives you here
[11:43] <riqz> bruenig DC++
[11:43] <bruenig> riqz, here is what the script should look like, if you need any other help as to how to make it executable or put it in the path, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9163/
[11:43] <Albert_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9164/     there ya go
[11:43] <JasonDM> anyone else have an m-audio revolution 5.1 soundcard?
[11:43] <VII> My windows are moving really laggy, and when I scroll in firefox its laggy aswell. I bet its my graphics drivers. WHen I install windows its always like this before I install them. What to do?
[11:43] <redblue`> sup?
[11:44] <geeksauce> ok, this is getting frustrating.  would someone be able to walk me through the possible problems and their respective solutions to the resolution not working right with nVidia drivers?
[11:44] <gyaresu> VII: What gfx card do you have?
[11:44] <redblue`> ??
[11:44] <VII> Im not sure =|
[11:44] <riqz> bruenig where do i type that tho
[11:44] <bruenig> riqz, you put that into a text document
[11:45] <carlosqueso> Albert_ make it look like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9165/ and see if that helps
[11:45] <raven3x7> i was wondering are certain ports blocked from somewhere that altering rulis in firesarter wont change?
[11:45] <riqz> bruenig ok and then when i click it it does the command?
[11:45] <gyaresu> VII: Ok. Then open a terminal and type 'lspci' (withouth quotes). Then paste it to pastebin.
[11:45] <bruenig> riqz, you will need to make it executable by doing "chmod +x textfilename"
[11:45] <OuZo> what is the best tool to do UML diagrams in? thanks
[11:45] <bruenig> riqz, then clicking it should work
[11:46] <VII> gyaresu: ok, will try..ehm, ho do I open up a terminal? (hates my noobiness)
[11:46] <riqz> bruenig in a terminal right>?
[11:46] <bruenig> riqz, right
[11:46] <bruenig> VII, applications>accessories>terminal
[11:46] <giod> can someone that knows wht there doing help me set up twinview
[11:46] <xethx96> ok im back
[11:46] <Steve_C2> Hi everyone. I'm having a problem with my screen saver not always working. Does anyone know what the problem could be?
[11:47] <geeksauce> anyone for help with nvidia driver problems?
[11:47] <riaal> anyone have a sugestion to a dc client for ubuntu?
[11:47] <billy> what's up?
[11:47] <xethx96> umm i have a bit of a problem, i dont have the installation cd for my wireless card and  in wireless-tools i cant find the inf file
[11:47] <loquitus_of_borg> I am wondering. I have a process running that, whenever it runs, seems to cause the system's free memory to dwindle down to 2 MB or so and then the process becomes non-functional. The process only seems to be taking 5 MB according to top but it causes 40 MB or so of system memory to vanish. When I close the process, that lost system memory does not come back... what's the deal?
[11:47] <gyaresu> bruenig: Thanks.
[11:47] <VII> gyaresu, bruenig: I have copied all the text I got, now what?
[11:47] <riqz> bruenig : hmmm its not executing
[11:48] <gyaresu> !pastebin | VII
[11:48] <ubotu> VII: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:48] <ailean> !ntfs-3g
[11:48] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:48] <sg2000> Hell
[11:48] <sg2000> sorry
[11:48] <sg2000> lo
[11:48] <bruenig> riqz, where do you want this script to be at, on the desktop? in /usr/local/bin or what?
[11:48] <ailean> how well would people here trust ntfs-3g?
[11:48] <sg2000> hello
[11:48] <xethx96> can someone help me please
[11:48] <riqz> bruenig : ah fixed ty
[11:48] <ailean> !ask | xethx96
[11:48] <ubotu> xethx96: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:48] <gyaresu> !ask | xethx96
[11:49] <xethx96> umm
[11:49] <JasonDM> if ntfs-3g is what i'm using right now to look at my ntfs partitions, then I trust it greatly
[11:49] <bruenig> !anyone | xethx96
[11:49] <ubotu> xethx96: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:49] <VII> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9166/
[11:49] <ailean> JasonDM, but is it?
[11:49] <JasonDM> I don't know
[11:49] <xethx96> i have a netgear wg 511 v2 card and well... i cant get it to work
[11:49] <sg2000> I am not sure how set up my wusb11 v 1
[11:49] <ailean> Can anyone here comment on ntfs-3g?
[11:49] <JasonDM> i'm more worried about getting sound to work
[11:49] <geeksauce> i can't get my nvidia drivers to work with the resolution i want, can someone help me with that?
[11:49] <gyaresu> ailean: It's good and doesn't break anything.
[11:50] <VII> nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 Ultra/GeForce 6800 GT]  (rev a2)
[11:50] <xethx96> ...
[11:50] <gyaresu> xethx96: Is it a wg511t by any chance?
[11:50] <ailean> gyaresu, thanks - last time i checked it was really dodgy
[11:50] <xethx96> nope
[11:50] <xethx96> its a g
[11:50] <Albert_> like this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9167/
[11:50] <gyaresu> ailean: Really. I've been using it since beta and have never had any probs... Or heard of any.
[11:51] <raven3x7> ugh i cant open port 6891
[11:51] <VII> gyaresu, bruenig: nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 Ultra/GeForce 6800 GT]  (rev a2)
[11:51] <cafuego_> xethx96: What chipset has it got?
[11:51] <xethx96> prism
[11:51] <xethx96> 54
[11:51] <xethx96> i think
[11:51] <carlosqueso> Albert_ exactly, did it work?
[11:51] <cafuego_> it would help if you were sure ;-)
[11:51] <gyaresu> !wifi | xethx96
[11:51] <ubotu> xethx96: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:51] <xethx96> 1 sec
[11:51] <JasonDM> this is really turning into a pain
[11:52] <raven3x7> anyone can help "iptables v1.3.5: invalid TCP port/service `6890-6900' specified"
[11:52] <carlosqueso> Albert_ you may also try removing the "us." from each line
[11:52] <ailean> gyaresu, i'll trust you then - i've no first hand experience of it at all. thanks
[11:53] <carlosqueso> Albert_ however, I've unfortunately got to get back to my real job :-( so good luck
[11:53] <jacob_> Hello all i am trying to install apples Darwin Streaming Server vers 5.5.3 on ubuntu 6.10 edgy and it installs but i can not run some of the files to run the server and there is a Chown: qtss 'invalid user' thing too, please help me?
[11:53] <carlosqueso> post at www.ubuntuforums.org if you still have problems
[11:53] <xethx96> marvell
[11:53] <geeksauce> ubuntu's drivers support the correct resolution, but nvidia's don't.  however, ubuntu's drivers won't work with beryl.
[11:53] <gyaresu> ailean: Well you could always search for stories where it broke something. Report back if you find any. That would be interesting.
[11:53] <xethx96> is the chipset
[11:54] <Nafet> Can anyone help me install Ubuntu on my PC, it's pretty old...
[11:54] <GionnyBoss> how can I share a folder with NFS? I get "Permission denied" from the client.
[11:54] <bruenig> Nafet, what is the problem and what are the specs, you may want to consider exubuntu
[11:54] <bruenig> s/exubuntu/xubuntu/
[11:54] <cafuego_> xethx96: http://verens.com/archives/2005/02/21/installing-a-netgear-wg511-v2-marvell-chipset-in-linux/
[11:54] <raven3x7> this is really weird. i got the command right but port 6891 is still closed
[11:54] <gyaresu> xethx96: Have you checked the wifi docs etc. You need to tell us what you've done already so we can help. Are you new to all this or do you have just one specific question etc.
[11:54] <VII> bruenig, you know what I should do to fix my graphics lagg?
[11:54] <cafuego_> ndiswrapper is pretty much your only hope.
[11:54] <chupachichi> Necesito ayuda...quiero compartir carpetas con Windows y Ubuntu me pide Password
[11:55] <bruenig> VII, I have integrated out of the box working graphics
[11:55] <bruenig> !es
[11:55] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:55] <Nafet> I have a live CD of Ubuntu 6.06.1 lts
[11:55] <xethx96> im brand new to linux
[11:55] <joe_> cafuego  what wireless card ?
[11:55] <cafuego_> joe_: marvell libertas
[11:55] <Nafet> the computer was made from scratch
[11:55] <ubuntu> hello for all!
[11:55] <Nafet> well, as scratch as I can get
[11:55] <VII> bruenig, what do you mean? that it should work?
[11:55] <chupachichi> hello
[11:55] <bigjohnto> hello how can i force ypserver to update gid of all users currently logged in?
[11:56] <bruenig> VII, I mean to say that I have no experience because of my setup working automagically
[11:56] <gyaresu> xethx96: Cool. You may want to start with the channel topic links first then...
[11:56] <bigjohnto> so how can i forced the NIS server to update the GID of all currently logged in NIS clients?
[11:56] <Jowi> Nafet, what are its specs?
[11:56] <VII> bruenig, ok, thanx tho. hmhmhm
[11:56] <cafuego_> !repeat > bigjohnto
[11:56] <gonzoism> i want to put the ubuntu build tools for herd5 on disk so i can install them and build ndiswrapper so i can have net afterwards.  where do i get the herd5 packages ?
[11:57] <Nafet> well that's a problem. I am just not too sure, give me a minute I'll try to find some info on it.
[11:57] <Megaqwerty> Can someone point me to a guide showing how I can set up my laptop as an ad-hoc server?
[11:57] <Megaqwerty> (to share files without an AP)
[11:57] <Giod_> can some one help me setup twinview
[11:57] <gonzoism> MegaQwerty  ad-hoc is pretty easy
[11:57] <Jordan_U> All of my DNS resolutions are very slow for some reason?
[11:57] <bruenig> gonzoism, probably http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/
[11:57] <gyaresu> Giod_: Still going with that eh?
[11:57] <Megaqwerty> gonzoism: wohoo
[11:57] <geeksauce> would someone be willing to take a look at my xorg.conf file to see if i have everything set right?
[11:57] <gonzoism> megaQwerty  iwconfig
[11:58] <Jowi> Nafet, would be nice to know: CPU, RAM, video card, NIC.
[11:58] <Giod_> gyaresu: yes
[11:58] <bigjohnto> cafuego: honestly it would first help if i repeated myself!
[11:58] <gonzoism> thanks bruenig
[11:58] <gonzoism> megaQwerty  need more info than that ?
[11:58] <gyaresu> Two cards/ two monitors isn't it?
[11:58] <VII> My windows are moving really laggy, and when I scroll in firefox its laggy aswell. I bet its my graphics drivers. When I install windows its always like this before I install the drivers. What to do?
[11:58] <Giod_> gyaresu: at least my other monitor owrk now
[11:58] <Giod_> works*
[11:58] <gonzoism> VII  what graphic card ?
[11:58] <Nafet> I'm working on it jowi
[11:58] <Megaqwerty> gonzoism: I'm assuming that the man page will enlighten me?
[11:58] <Nafet> : /
[11:58] <gyaresu> !repeat | VII
[11:58] <ubotu> VII: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:58] <gonzoism> megaqwerty  yep.
[11:59] <Megaqwerty> cool, thanks
[11:59] <Jordan_U> geeksauce, What makes you think it wouldn't be? It's hard to just look at an xorg.conf and see if it's correct without knowing more about the problem.
[11:59] <gonzoism> megaQwerty  let me know if you need more info
[11:59] <kimmern> Hey! I was just messing around with beryl settings when I chose "force xgl" on rendering options..had the choice between nvidia and aiglx...now beryl wont work, and i cant get into the rendeing options menu, to choose again..anything i can do?
[11:59] <bruenig> VII, the windows were laggy for me too in gnome, then I went to xubuntu and it all cleared up. Firefox scrolling is still laggy though
[11:59] <gyaresu> !nvidia | VII
[11:59] <ubotu> VII: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:59] <VII> sorry if I repeated it to quickly. :)
[11:59] <Megaqwerty> gonzoism: sweet! Thanks a lot!
[11:59] <jacob_> Hello all i am trying to install apples Darwin Streaming Server vers 5.5.3 on ubuntu 6.10 edgy and it installs but i can not run some of the files to run the server and there is a Chown: qtss 'invalid user' thing too, please help me?
[11:59] <Nafet> Looking still...
[11:59] <xethx96> ok
[11:59] <Jowi> Nafet, no rush
[11:59] <xethx96> iv found the stuff
[11:59] <VII> coo, thanx
[11:59] <xethx96> iv come to this code...
[11:59] <geeksauce> Jordan_U, i can tell you all you want about the problem... simply asking for help and stating the problem wasn't getting me anywhere in here
[11:59] <xethx96> http://verens.com/archives/2005/02/21/installing-a-netgear-wg511-v2-marvell-chipset-in-linux/
[11:59] <gyaresu> VII: I didn't see that you'd posted the card type. My fault.
[11:59] <xethx96> woops
[12:00] <gyaresu> !envy | VII
[12:00] <ubotu> VII: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[12:00] <matej_> how to make alt-tab in ubuntu? not ctrl alt d but realy alt-tab (changing resolution)?
[12:00] <Jordan_U> geeksauce, Ok, what's the problem?
[12:00] <FLSimpsonKPT> Does anyone know of a way that I can install a Flash Player for an x86_64 system?
[12:00] <Giod_> gyaresu: but the other monitor just mimicks and i want a extended desktop
[12:00] <xethx96> apt-get install build-essential fakeroot linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:00] <xethx96> i dont understand this code...
[12:00] <gyaresu> VII: Probably envy is the best way for you.
[12:00] <VII> hmm
[12:00] <xethx96> mostly the $(uname -r)
[12:00] <bruenig> xethx96, it is installing three packages
[12:00] <bruenig> xethx96, do uname -r in the terminal, then you will get it
[12:00] <cafuego_> haha, funny
[12:00] <gyaresu> Giod_: I imagine you've been trying different settings?
[12:00] <gonzoism> xethx96  whatever is in the parenthesis gets ran and the output gets put there


[22:51] <amurray> teward: I think that is more an advertorial message rather than actual, actionable advice - I would be very surprised if it is doing any logic to see if unattended-upgrades is already installed / running let-alone landscape-client


[01:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[01:51] <OerHeks> heyyyyyyyy :-)
[01:51] <OerHeks> You fell out of bed, or just got home
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> fell out by a mosquito :p
[01:53] <lotuspsychje> grrr nasty animals
[01:53] <OerHeks> does he have a name ?
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[02:11] <OerHeks> can someone put ubuntu +r ??
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> !ops
[02:15] <DalekSec> lotuspsychje: Problem?
[02:16] <lotuspsychje> DalekSec: in #ubuntu
[02:16] <OerHeks> DalekSec, can you put +r on #ubuntu? ( for a little while)
[02:17] <DalekSec> So doesn't really help to call OPs in here then..
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> DalekSec: its a more silent way
[02:18] <DalekSec> lotuspsychje: But different access lists.
[02:19] <OerHeks> True, i have ops here, but not in #ubuntu, lotuspsychje
[02:19] <DalekSec> Ubuntu members all do. :P
[02:19] <OerHeks> indeed :-)
[02:20] <DalekSec> Man, it'd be chaos if #ubuntu had that. :P
[02:21] <OerHeks> I don't want to be ops at all, but we in #ubuntu-nl have a few positions open, needed.
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: downloading OTA-12
[02:22] <OerHeks> ah, the wave arrived
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> lookin good
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> calendar got bigger fonts with green active day
[02:35] <lotuspsychje> and system categorie added to top bar
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-wily-werewolf-has-reach-end-of-life-upgrade-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts-506701.shtml
[03:01] <OerHeks> r.i.p. werewolf
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> time to get wily out of topic :p
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> and see only LTS versions :p
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> looks interesting OerHeks https://ring.cx/en
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> skype alternative
[03:17] <OerHeks> oh, dan kunnen we tegen elkaar kletsen
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> lol
[03:18] <OerHeks> nou, als je me wil zien, ik heb een ip-cam .. maar ik ben niet knap hoor
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive controlled your ip cam once :p
[03:19] <OerHeks> ow wait, english
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[06:19] <ducasse> \o
[06:19] <OerHeks> you are 19 minutes late!
[06:19] <OerHeks> grrrrrrrr
[06:19] <OerHeks> hi ducasse
[06:20] <ducasse> what happened at 8 o'clock? :)
[06:20] <OerHeks> some dude tried to convince me that bumblebee is awesome, better than prima, but he cannot get it to work :-D
[06:21] <OerHeks> c/prime
[06:21] <ducasse> heh, doesn't sound like he convinced you ;)
[06:22] <OerHeks> he disappointed me, yes
[06:22] <OerHeks> now i have to see my shrink
[06:22] <OerHeks> daftykins, are you free?
[06:23] <ducasse> if you do tech support for any length of time you _will_ need therapy, in my experience :)
[06:24] <OerHeks> True. actually, i think it is healthy, to step out after 9 months for some short period of time ..
[08:23] <daftykins> OerHeks: morning o/
[08:23] <daftykins> just got my new keyboard 8D
[08:23] <daftykins> oooooh bliss!
[08:23] <OerHeks> You type much smarter now
[08:24] <daftykins> mmm it feels like it requires so much less effort
[08:26] <ducasse> ooooh, which did you get, daftykins?
[08:27] <daftykins> that steelseries M500 with the cherry MX red keys
[08:27] <daftykins> all its' funky buttons are working without the software too, so i might ignore it entirely
[08:28] <ducasse> actually looked at those in a shop the other day, looked nice. i prefer cherry blue switches, though.
[08:29] <daftykins> i decided they were too loud, the blues - they were on my old das
[08:29] <daftykins> they would irritate anyone i would be on webcam with :)
[08:29] <ducasse> don't have a webcam, nor a microphone :)
[08:30] <daftykins> d'aww ;)
[08:31] <daftykins> i've heard a few people say they annoyed work colleagues when they took a blue switch board to work XD
[08:31] <ducasse> or one of the old ibm model b's :)
[08:39] <daftykins> OerHeks: so someone made you try bumblebee? ruh-roh
[08:39] <daftykins> this is the trouble with #ubuntu folks, they resist change once deprecation comes about
[08:39] <OerHeks> no, that guy tried to convince me that it works great, but he didn't get it to work :-D
[08:40] <daftykins> XD
[08:40] <OerHeks> and furter-on he said i asked him about it, grinn
[08:40] <OerHeks> and then ducasse came out of bed, 18 minutes late
[08:41] <daftykins> lets sneak in and change his alarm ;)
[08:42] <daftykins> oof i best go do my proper wakeup now, i only got up for the postman delivering my keyboard
[08:43] <ducasse> don't have an alarm as such, mine is built-in :)
[08:44] <OerHeks> my alarm has a tail and 2 brown eyes
[08:44] <OerHeks> went off 03:15 this morning ...
[08:45] <ducasse> well, i've got one too, but she usually gives up after a few attempts.
[08:48] <daftykins> OerHeks: wow what did Drabber want? :)
[08:48] <OerHeks> He wanted a walk & cookie
[08:49] <OerHeks> i told him to use firefox, but he insisted me
[09:00] <daftykins> :D
[09:00] <daftykins> we are staff to our pets!
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:22] <daftykins> gm \o
[11:24] <ducasse> hi, BluesKaj
[11:24] <BluesKaj> hi daftykins, ducasse
[11:25] <daftykins> haha i'm RMAing some 7 year old RAM :D
[11:25] <daftykins> go lifetime warranty \o/
[11:26] <BluesKaj> RMAing?
[11:26] <OerHeks> isn'tlifetime waranty 5 years?
[11:26] <OerHeks> hi BluesKaj
[11:26] <daftykins> return material auth, so replacement under warranty
[11:27] <BluesKaj> really eh, must have been $$$
[11:27] <daftykins> http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/support/warranty
[11:27] <daftykins> nah not really, let's see... i had to dig out my original invoice
[11:27] <daftykins> £66.94 for 2x2GB DDR2 :)
[11:29] <OerHeks> This version of the warranty applies to products purchased on or after April 15, 2014 ..
[11:34] <daftykins> yeah they've pretty much always been good though
[11:34] <daftykins> so cheap to make RAM, makes sense to give it their faith
[11:34] <daftykins> costs them near nothing to send out some replacements :)
[11:48] <de-facto> is lifetime meant for the life of the RAM or for the user who installed it?  As such, it tends to have some drama. Every so often, one of the drama people decides to start spamming other channels claiming to be acting on behalf of #wrongplanet, so that people join #wrongplanet and get angry
[19:47] <hggdh> dax: try IBM licencing
[19:47] <daftykins> small biz, totally fine
[19:47] <ducasse> oracle, though...
[19:47] <dax> i.e., it's some disgruntled idiot, not actual #wp ops or anything
[19:47] <dax> hggdh: true
[19:48] <dax> thankfully, our vendor handles Oracle licensing for us, it's included with our license for the vendor's product
[19:48] <ducasse> dax: this was 10+ years ago, i understand it's gotten much worse now.
[19:49] <dax> daftykins: yeah, we're at the scale that we use a key management system, which tends to not work when people completely ignore best practices and then yell at me when it takes time to pick up the pieces
[19:49] <dax> it has not been a good week
[19:49] <daftykins> :> yeah i've read about the KMS mess
[19:49] <dax> thankfully Windows 10 can do activation through active directory. but we're not on Windows 10, so that's not much help right now :3
[19:49] <daftykins> the place i used to teach at have a really hellish game licensing the students' test systems now
[19:50] <daftykins> i'm sure a migration to 10 would be the next most enjoyable task ;)
[19:52] <dax> it's getting better. i wish we could just use an OS that doesn't need me to faff around with DRM though
[19:52] <dax> such a waste of time
[19:56] <daftykins> you'd only have a different batch of problems using FOSS
[19:56] <daftykins> and if you disagree with that, you're living a lie :)
[23:20] <Bashing-om> !15.10
[23:21] <dax> is that thing officially dead yet
[23:21] <dax> i haven't been paying attention
[23:25] <hggdh> just died


[11:39] <xnox> cjwatson: debconffilter doesn't quite like multi-line input, e.g. for SUBST command.
[11:39] <xnox> there is a "TODO: handle excaped input"
[11:40] <xnox> is there an easy way to tell debconf to perform debconf-escaped SUBST commands?
[11:41] <cjwatson> db_capb escape
[11:42] <cjwatson> actual multi-line text breaks the debconf protocol; multi-line subst is only legal at all if the escape capb is set
[11:42] <xnox> partman-lvm/displayall just does it =)
[11:52] <cjwatson> partman-base enables the escape capb
[11:52] <cjwatson> so it's fine for stuff in partman to use it
[11:52] <cjwatson> but we do need to make debconffilter handle it
[11:52] <cjwatson> this is ubiquity's problem, not partman's :)
[11:52] <xnox> ah.... hmm....