[06:49] <gilir> tsimonq2, easier to talk here ;-)
[06:49] <tsimonq2> o/ gilir :)
[06:51] <tsimonq2> gilir: so I guess I wanted to see what your thoughts were on having ~lubuntu-dev have upload permission to LXQt and LXDE packages
[06:51] <tsimonq2> gilir: you say it's interesting sharing upload rights, what do you mean by that?
[06:52] <gilir> tsimonq2, currently lubuntu-dev = me + ubuntu-core-dev
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: and another person
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: but I have seen your Launchpad page, you are a MOTU
[06:52] <gilir> tsimonq2, yes but inactive, I may remove him soon
[06:52] <tsimonq2> gilir: alright, I see
[06:53] <gilir> tsimonq2, so adding the subset will make no difference that the current situation
[06:54] <tsimonq2> gilir: by the way, Mirv is here, he is doing the Qt 5.6.1 transition, it's already landed in Debian but he's doing work to get it in Ubuntu, and I tested building LXQt and installing LXQt in Ubuntu against 5.6.1, works fine :)
[06:54] <gilir> tsimonq2, that will make sense when someone will seek upload right for LXQt and / or LXDE packages
[06:54] <tsimonq2> I see gilir
[06:54] <Mirv> tsimonq2: yeah I just also tested installing LXQt on the VM where I have that silo 024 (that is now in yakkety-proposed) installed and it seems to start fine.
[06:55] <tsimonq2> gilir: I understand it doesn't make sense now, and I agree, but in the future, I might want to help out, or someone else might want to help maintain Lubuntu packages, but it's easier to get upload permissions to a subset of packages than to get MOTU
[06:56] <tsimonq2> great Mirv :)
[06:58] <tsimonq2> gilir: but I totally understand the situation with it being a team of only you and core-dev
[06:58] <tsimonq2> gilir: and I understand where you are coming from :)
[06:59] <tsimonq2> in the meantime, Mirv, won't we need a rebuild of the LXQt packages for Qt 5.6.1?
[07:00] <tsimonq2> Mirv has lxqt-qtplugin ready to go though
[07:00] <Mirv> tsimonq2: I took care of them. There are two such packages that need a rebuild: libqtxdg and lxqt-qtplugin. They use Qt Base's or Qt Declarative's private header, get a qtbase-abi or qtdeclarative-abi dependency stamped on them from symbols files, and therefore are forced to be rebuilt.
[07:01] <tsimonq2> I see Mirv, but don't the other packages need to rebuilt to pick up on the new Qt deps?
[07:02] <Mirv> tsimonq2: not really, because Qt promises it's ABI stable unless you use private headers
[07:02] <Mirv> ...a promise that has not 100% always been kept but usually is
[07:02] <tsimonq2> alright
[07:02] <tsimonq2> and either way, with LXQt 0.11 coming soon, it will be fine
[07:02] <Mirv> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqtxdg/1.3.0-3build1~1 + https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-qtplugin/0.10.0-3build1~2 are the rebuilds
[07:04] <Mirv> when I'm preparing a new Qt release, I will always check all packages that depend on eg qtbase-abi-5-6-0 or qtdeclarative-abi-5-6-0, and get a list of packages that I need to rebuild to do a successful landing - the list is compiled at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xXhsnTwzvm5p6gDbUrDpRPSJV9tX4SHCptC9yUYCMmE/edit (bottom of the page)
[07:04] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[07:05] <tsimonq2> gilir: in the meantime, while you are here, let me look at that liblxqt patch and see if it really needs any changes before a merge
[07:08] <tsimonq2> gilir: the only thing really needed is the Standars-version bump, which is in Debian's repositories for 0.11
[07:08] <tsimonq2> *Standards-version
[07:08] <tsimonq2> gilir: so I'm going to close the bug
[07:09] <gilir> tsimonq2, ok, it's probbaly better to do nothing on lxqt packages until the new release is out
[07:09] <tsimonq2> gilir: I agree
[07:17] <dholbach> hiya
[07:18] <tsimonq2> hey dholbach
[07:18] <tsimonq2> dholbach: so I closed the liblxqt bug because through learning some more packaging with the Kubuntu folks, I understood that Julien's approach is correct
[07:19] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[07:19] <tsimonq2> dholbach: that updating the symbols file for a release is better than an abi package generally
[07:19] <tsimonq2> so I marked as invalid and I unsubscribed the sponsors team
[07:20] <tsimonq2> dholbach: just so you were aware :)
[07:21] <dholbach> ok, no problem :)
[07:27] <tsimonq2> gilir: somebody emailed the ubuntu-devel-discuss list about a problem and solution to a bug in xfce4-power-manager and specifically mentioned Lubuntu, forwarded to the lubuntu-devel list and I carbon-copied you
[07:28] <tsimonq2> gilir: it includes a patch as well :)
[17:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: hey, ping
[17:42] <wxl> tsimonq2: ?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: aren't we supposed to do Alpha 2 this week?
[17:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: by the way, you should update the topic to reflect the current image statuses
[17:58] <tsimonq2> wxl: yep, Thursday
[18:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: and we also have 14.04.5 NEXT Thursday
[18:00] <wxl> so we should get images today then
[18:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah, right after the images for Alpha 2 get spun up, I'll put out the call for testing
[18:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: then next week, I'll put out another CALL FOR TESTING for the PPC folks ;)
[18:02] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:03] <wxl> Unit193: can you give tsimonq2 manager on lubuntu-devel?
[18:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: lubuntu-devel being #lubuntu-devel or lubuntu-devel being<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:04] <wxl> #
[18:04] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: can't you do that? or no?
[18:04] <wxl> nope i only have op
[18:05] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[18:06] <tsimonq2> wxl: so I'm assuming infinity (or someone else on the release team) has to create the Alpha 2 milestone on iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[18:07] <wxl> yep
[18:08] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: I pinged him so hopefully I'll get a timely response so I can get that call for testing put out
[18:56] <agaida> btw - right now gilirs approach is not right - but hey, you have to handle that, i have no problem with broken packages and frustrated users. Not saying that it hurts LXQt - but its up to you
[18:56] <agaida> until now we have only two broken repositories, xenial and yakkety - lets wait and build some new and shiny broken things
[18:57] <tsimonq2> agaida: it was explained to me, your approach with the ABIs is wrong
[18:57] <tsimonq2> agaida: yes it might be a little bit easier but in the long run it's the wrong approach
[18:57] <agaida> ok - belive what you want to - not my problem
[18:57] <tsimonq2> alright
[18:57] <agaida> nope
[18:58] <agaida> and why the approach is badly broken - Qt use it
[18:58] <agaida> right, i understand it
[19:01] <agaida> so ubuntu will be the home of broken LXQt packages for a certain amount of time - cool
[19:01] <tsimonq2> agaida: your opinion
[19:01] <agaida> no - reality
[19:02] <tsimonq2> agaida: Ubuntu will be the home of LXQt packages done the correct way in regards to symbols
[19:02] <agaida> have a look into the yakkety repo - lxqt-config is broken
[19:02] <tsimonq2> then we will fix it
woah - better debian packages than debian - my deepest respect </sarcasm>
[19:03] <agaida> have fun with it and get a clue
[19:03] <agaida> and yes, i'm more than a little bit pissed
[19:04] <tsimonq2> agaida: then get out of the channel and vent somewhere else, this is not the place to do it. We've decided what we plan to do.
[19:06] <agaida> it is exactly the place - but hey, dream on, make your thing and please don't  file bugs about some segfaults to upstream nor debian. thanks in anticipation
[19:43] <redwolf> o.o
[19:43] <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf
[19:43] <tsimonq2> redwolf: you should update this screenshot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Get_Lubuntu
[19:44] <redwolf> I will, when it's officially released ;)
[19:44] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:44] <redwolf> don't worry :)
[19:44] <tsimonq2> redwolf: I meant with 16.04 but 16.10 works too ;)
[19:44] <redwolf> also I was updating some Reddit things, like the icon and colours for the official reddit mobile app
[19:45] <tsimonq2> redwolf: also, when launching Thunderbird from the terminal, I get this: (thunderbird:6997): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory imported-Humanity/192 of theme Lubuntu has no size field - I assume it's your department?
[19:45] <redwolf> yup!
[19:45] <redwolf> but that message is ok, no harm will occur to your computer :)
[19:45] <redwolf> we use non-fixed sizes for some things. some apps don't like it.
[19:45] <tsimonq2> redwolf: but can you fix pls?
[19:46] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:46] <redwolf> any other request? :P
[19:47] <tsimonq2> redwolf: Yakkety uploads for the artwork PPA
[19:47] <redwolf> everything's up
[19:47] <redwolf> BUT
[19:47] <tsimonq2> BUT
[19:47] <wxl> everything's UP
[19:47] <wxl> BUT
[19:47] <wxl> ummmmmmm
[19:48] <redwolf> nothing will be released until the rearrangements are done (Julien is doing things, fixing things)
[19:48] <redwolf> we made deep changes in the theme structure (extended support for symbolic icons and high contrast ones)
[19:48] <redwolf> and I made ONE new icon .__.
[19:49] <redwolf> oh wait... it's not uploaded yet XD
[19:50] <tsimonq2> *GASP*
[19:50] <tsimonq2> TheMaster!!!!
[19:50] <redwolf> O.O
[19:50] <tsimonq2> wxl: conversation @ #ubuntu-release
[19:50] <wxl> tsimonq2: did i not just get involved?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: re: #ubuntu-release, should I put up the fight, or are we fine not releasing Alpha 2?
[19:54] <wxl> tsimonq2: depends on if others want to be involved. it's probably too late for that though :(
[19:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah
[20:12] <wxl> tsimonq2: i'm about ready to go to lunch so can you follow up on whatever infinity decides?
[20:12] <tsimonq2> sure wxl
[20:12] <wxl> thx
[20:12] <tsimonq2> yep :)
[20:51] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: we're getting LXQt Lubuntu images spun :O :D
[20:51] <flexiondotorg> Wooooo!
[20:51] <flexiondotorg> So the switch to LXQt is official for 16.10 Alpha 2?
[20:51] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: just waiting for infinity to review some MPs
[20:51] <tsimonq2> no no no, we're nowhere NEAR switching
[20:51] <tsimonq2> and it won't be ready for Alpha 2
[20:52] <tsimonq2> but Beta 1 should include the image
[20:52] <tsimonq2> (hopefully, fingers crossed)
[20:53] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: the tentative plan we've been looking at is to release LXDE and LXQt and switch for 17.04.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: but at least it's progress :D
[20:53] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, So 2 images?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:59] <lynorian> wow alpha is this week oops
[21:01] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: coming to LUP?
[21:05] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Already there.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:07] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Snaps?
[22:07] <tsimonq2> yeah
[22:07] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: anything useful?
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, Lots :-)
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> The platform snaps are the main thing I'm interested in right now.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I mean, specifically for making something like a Lubuntu snap
[22:08] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> Which is similar to what you start for Lubuntu.
[22:08] <flexiondotorg> But all parts are source.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> yeah
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> And there are not build-packages.
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> They are source parts.
[22:09] <tsimonq2> oh?
[22:09] <tsimonq2> cool
[22:09] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: has it landed yet?
[22:09] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, In master.
[22:10] <flexiondotorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/+junk/gnome-3-20-snap/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml
[22:10] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: I see, sort of like the snap I have already
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> And what is missing is the markup to identify it as a Content Interface.
[22:11] <tsimonq2> oh?
[22:11] <tsimonq2> that will be cool
[22:11] <tsimonq2> I'll keep an eye on it :)
[22:11] <flexiondotorg> :-D


[10:04] <calvin> tritium, so commenting out DRI didn't seem to have an effect
[10:04] <Seveas> it's a killer :)
[10:04] <hybrid> Keizer apt
[10:04] <a_monkey> hybrid: k. that's kool
[10:04] <WeirdAl> I think so.
[10:04] <eyequeue> Keizer:  sudo apt-get install mysql-client (or server)
[10:05] <tamir> how ?
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, what did you install?
[10:05] <tamir> how i can use Proxy in apt-get ???
[10:05] <Keizer> Ok
[10:05] <eyequeue> tamir:  the http_proxy environment variable is honoured
[10:05] <WeirdAl> wine as winehq said, and winetools.
[10:05] <tamir> i no have a file - /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:05] <hybrid> a_monkey like i said i beleive airport extreme and some dail up modems are the only conflict
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, no, that's not what I asked
[10:05] <Keizer> Does apt-get support: sudo apt-get search mysql
[10:05] <black_nightmare> seveas hmm.. I tried search for 'cowsay' and it came back with no results...I even looked in the 'games' section and its quite small compared to the higgs.djpig.de site's list
[10:05] <a_monkey> hybrid: well then i don't have to worry. :)
[10:05] <tritium> WeirdAl, when you __ran__ winetools, what did you install?
[10:05] <eyequeue> Keizer:  no such command
[10:05] <calvin> tritium, so someone earlier suggested just switching to i386 kernel.  should i try that?
[10:05] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search foo exists however
[10:05] <Seveas> black_nightmare, haveyou enabled universe
[10:06] <hybrid> a_monkey koll i am on an ibook g3 now it is awesome
[10:06] <tritium> calvin, possibly so.  Perhaps I'm unaware of problems on k7
[10:06] <tritium> calvin, because otherwise, everything looks good
[10:06] <a_monkey> hybrid: ubuntu did a good job of detecting monitor tech specs
[10:06] <a_monkey> ?
[10:06] <tritium> WeirdAl, and why would you think you can't upgrade an Hoary system?
[10:06] <WeirdAl> Nothing I didn't think I needed, but I can't honestly remember
[10:06] <WeirdAl> tritium... read up
[10:06] <WeirdAl> I didn't say that :-)
[10:06] <black_nightmare> oh umm....where do I enable that seveas?
[10:07] <WeirdAl> that was ubuntoid
[10:07] <tritium> WeirdAl, sorry ;)
[10:07] <WeirdAl> NP
[10:07] <Keizer> OMG
[10:07] <WeirdAl> Let me re-run this so I can tell you what I've done.
[10:07] <ubuntoid> tritium, I did an update, and now after logging in, all I get is a black screen
[10:07] <Seveas> black_nightmare, edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[10:07] <hybrid> a_monkey yea i was surprised it detected all my hardware even the trackpad but the sound is not 100%
[10:07] <Keizer> mysql-devel and mysql-shared are not in apt
[10:07] <tritium> ubuntoid, what packages were updated?
[10:07] <black_nightmare> seveas.. root terminal?
[10:07] <Keizer> Those are needed for my programs to interface
[10:07] <Seveas> and remove the # characters in front of all lines that start with deb and contain universe
[10:07] <ubuntoid> tritium, 250M worth, apparently
[10:08] <tritium> ubuntoid, have you been running Hoary before, or did you just upgrade from Warty today?
[10:08] <a_monkey> hybrid: yeh. i've never installed a distro that sound was perfect on
[10:08] <a_monkey> hybrid: except fedora core
[10:08] <ubuntoid> ubuntoid, I downloaded the Hoary install ISO and installed that
[10:08] <[nrx] > who's up for helping me with ndiswrapper again? :)
[10:08] <WeirdAl> tritium, do I need to do all this stuff about IE6?
[10:08] <a_monkey> is anyone on an eMac right now?
[10:08] <ubuntoid> tritium, Then I uncommented the update lines in sources.config and did update and upgrade
[10:08] <klejs> Ngon svensk hr som kan hjlpa mig?
[10:08] <hybrid> a_monkey yea sound works on some apps but not others
[10:08] <tritium> WeirdAl, not necessarily, but some programs (e.g. yahoo messenger) require it, actually
[10:08] <WeirdAl> well I won't be using that!
[10:08] <WeirdAl> Gods.
[10:09] <Keizer> apt is a pain
[10:09] <ubuntoid> tritium, When it updated the X stuff, it restarted X and now all I get is a black screen
[10:09] <WeirdAl> I'll probably only use wine for Photoshop anyway.
[10:09] <Keizer> Too bad mysql.com doesn't have a .deb
[10:09] <a_monkey> i'd really appreciate it if somebody on an eMac would send me their xorg.conf.
[10:09] <WeirdAl> Save learning the gimp[
[10:09] <a_monkey> anybody?
[10:09] <tritium> ubuntoid, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages
[10:09] <eyequeue> Keizer:  what are you talking about?
[10:09] <massimiliano> is it possible to insert in "top panel" the menu of "resources"...home...computer...excuse for my english....
[10:09] <tritium> Keizer, there are mysql .debs
[10:09] <calc> Keizer: yea apt-get install mysql is very difficult
[10:09] <WeirdAl> :-| Now it's stuck on a download that's not happening.
[10:09] <eyequeue> Keizer:  sudo apt-get install mysql-client (or server)
[10:09] <klejs> Anyone that wanna help me with some sound drivers? Please PM me...
[10:09] <tritium> Keizer, apt-cache search mysql
[10:09] <Lukas_> where does apt store the downloaded packages?
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer:  i said that to you initially
[10:10] <tritium> Lukas_, /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:10] <Seveas> Lukas_, /var/cache/apt
[10:10] <black_nightmare> seveas..sorry nevermind I finally figured it out ;)
[10:10] <Keizer> What about the header files?
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search foo exists however
[10:10] <Keizer> I need the header files so it will interface with php
[10:10] <Lukas_> damn i downloaded 428mb but only 100mb is there
[10:10] <eyequeue> Keizer: apt-cache search mysql
[10:10] <tritium> Keizer, apt-cache search and look for -dev
[10:11] <Keizer> I'll have to use grep heh
[10:11] <tritium> Keizer, yeah, or | less, or > outputfile
[10:11] <Keizer> Damn, grep doesn't work with it
[10:11] <tamir> i success
[10:11] <tritium> Keizer, yes it does
[10:11] <tamir>   Acquire::http::Proxy "http://web-proxy:8088/";;
[10:11] <tamir>   Acquire::http::Proxy::debdepot DIRECT; in apt.conf
[10:11] <eyequeue> Keizer:  what system are you on???
[10:11] <WeirdAl> grr, I can't even download the Arial font
[10:12] <chipp> hey all, i need a little help.
[10:12] <WeirdAl> Will it screw up if I ignore that?
[10:12] <black_nightmare> hmm seveas...any idea about root password?
[10:12] <black_nightmare> I don't even recall that during installion.. just the user password
[10:12] <eyequeue> tamir:  much simpler to just set the environment variable as i first suggested
[10:12] <tritium> black_nightmare, what about it?
[10:12] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  there is no root password, by intent
[10:12] <tritium> black_nightmare, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:12] <Keizer> It doesn't have the -devel or -shared or -shared-compat
[10:12] <chipp> How would I go about logging in to the admin account?
[10:13] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:13] <tritium> eyequeue, already covered ;)
[10:13] <eyequeue> tritium:  i can't read the screen while i look at the keys however
[10:13] <tritium> you can't touch type?  ;)
[10:14] <eyequeue> no
[10:14] <tritium> it's fine
[10:14] <black_nightmare> oh ic...one second let me run terminal and try password root...
[10:14] <eyequeue> nor will i even at this age
[10:14] <tritium> what age?
[10:14] <eyequeue> eveR
[10:14] <eyequeue> let's just say adult, heh
[10:14] <tritium> okay, if you wish ;)
[10:15] <eyequeue> i type with about 4 fingers, and have done so for decades
[10:15] <tritium> oh, okay
[10:15] <biezt> what is the dir where vsftpd is installed in ?
[10:15] <apokryphos> eyequeue: It's worth trying to change ;-). It requires a few days of diligence, and that's it, really.
[10:15] <biezt> i can't find it, but need 2 edit conf file
[10:15] <eyequeue> to go back to 3 characters per minute, even if my finger muscles would work, well, it's just not something i could handle :)
[10:15] <tritium> biezt, dpkg -L vsftp
[10:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  no, i've done that, after two weeks i had asdf with about a 50% error rate, so i gave up
[10:16] <tritium> eyequeue, I'm 31 for what it's worth
[10:16] <apokryphos> eyequeue: the speed will rapidly increase, the more you use it. So many people are put off originally by the slow speed, but fail to realise that sticking with it just for a bit will pay off significantly.
[10:16] <biezt> dkpg not found :|
[10:16] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  neural deficits here
[10:16] <tritium> biezt, dpkg
[10:16] <Keizer> Hmmmm
[10:16] <apokryphos> eyequeue: the problem was most likely that you tried to start off without looking at the keyes.
[10:17] <apokryphos> *keys
[10:17] <black_nightmare> umm where do I type 'sudo' someone?
[10:17] <tritium> biezt, you just spelled it wrong, that's all
[10:17] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  terminal
[10:17] <apokryphos> black_nightmare: err, terminal?
[10:17] <apokryphos> eyequeue: That's always the wrong way to go about it, IMO. Always start with just using the right fingers, and looking at the keys as much as you want. The rest comes naturally, later.
[10:17] <ubuntoid> tritium, Nothing too bizarre there, but the system recommended a dpkg --config -a to fix something
[10:18] <black_nightmare> ughh sorry...sometimes I don't get the hang of some things hehe
[10:18] <apokryphos> :)
[10:18] <Keizer> Does anyone know if the MySQL-server will install the header files?
[10:18] <biezt> i did that  :P but i see nowhere where it's installed :P
[10:18] <tritium> Keizer, probably not
[10:18] <eyequeue> Keizer:  as you were told, -dev does
[10:18] <tritium> biezt, dpkg -L <package> lists all the files in the package
[10:20] <hybrid> i need help with mac on linux
[10:20] <black_nightmare> hmm I set a root password and went to system tools>run as different user
[10:20] <black_nightmare> then typed 'text editor' and selected root and enter my password ... it doesn't seem to even do anything afterward
[10:20] <black_nightmare> or did I do something wrong? :p
[10:20] <black_nightmare> I do have a root password set now btw
[10:21] <ubuntoid> What does it mean when packages are held back?
[10:21] <Seveas> Keizer, for mysql header files you need libmysqlclient12-dev
[10:21] <tritium> black_nightmare, that still calls gksudo, which needs your user's password
[10:21] <tamir> where i can download ubuntu sarge
[10:21] <tamir> where i can download ubuntu sarge
[10:21] <Seveas> nowhere
[10:21] <eyequeue> what is the fascination with root passwords?
[10:21] <eyequeue> tamir:  no such thing
[10:21] <Imsdlea> can anyone tell me how to reinitiate the GDM?
[10:21] <apokryphos> Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high.
[10:21] <tritium> ubuntoid, it means that the upgrade will require removing packages, or certain other things
[10:21] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:21] <black_nightmare> oh ic
[10:21] <Seveas> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:21] <JDahl> ubuntoid, it means that some packages depend on them and doesnt not work with the newest version
[10:22] <eyequeue> Imsdlea:  as in "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"?
[10:22] <black_nightmare> trit..so hmm how do I go along with getting Text Editor opened with root access to files?
[10:22] <Seveas> JDahl, that's not true
[10:22] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  suco
[10:22] <eyequeue> black_nightmare:  sudo
[10:22] <JDahl> Seveas, isn't that normal reason for holding back packages?
[10:22] <ubuntoid> tritium, JDahl Oh, okay... linux-restricted-modules, etc
[10:22] <Imsdlea> Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager.
[10:22] <dabugas_> hi
[10:22] <apokryphos> or with Alt + F2 > gksudo/kdesu
[10:23] <apokryphos> Imsdlea: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[10:23] <Seveas> JDahl, not really
[10:23] <tritium> ubuntoid, which version?
[10:23] <Seveas> it usually means: big change, be careful
[10:23] <tritium> yes ^^^
[10:23] <black_nightmare> hmm do I only type 'sudo' or is there a line I have to type?
[10:23] <Imsdlea> thanks guys... god bless
[10:23] <Echylo> where are the gnome menu entries located? cause I want to delete the debian folder
[10:24] <osity> hi....i just installed ubantu and i cant seem to ssh into it.
[10:24] <Echylo> and it made a duplicate of graphics & multimedia
[10:24] <JDahl> Seveas, it's a very normal procedure to hold back a version because of compatibility, e.g., for backported packages
[10:24] <mackid> black_nightmare: type sudo commandname
[10:24] <Vjaz> Echylo: /usr/share/applications
[10:24] <tritium> osity, you need to install ssh
[10:24] <tritium> or at least openssh-server
[10:24] <osity> how?
[10:24] <Echylo> yes but the debian folder isn't in /usr/share/applications
[10:24] <ubuntoid> tritium, This is Hoary, and it held back linux-restricted-modules-386, linux-image-386, two gstreamer modules, and ubuntu-desktop
[10:24] <mackid> black_nightmare: commandname being whatever command you want to run as root
[10:24] <tritium> (ssh also installs client)
[10:24] <tritium> osity, apt-get install ssh
[10:24] <ubuntoid> Is there a way to get it to tell me which versions?
[10:24] <Seveas> ubuntoid, with apt-get dist-upgrade these held back packages will be upgraded too
[10:25] <Vjaz> Echylo: Delete something else then.
[10:25] <Vjaz> Echylo: Which version of Gnome?
[10:25] <Seveas> dpkg -l tells you installed versions
[10:25] <hybrid> anyone have mac on linux installed and working
[10:25] <black_nightmare> hmm so like 'sudo edit /etc/apt/sources.list' or not in that manner?
[10:25] <apokryphos> ubuntoid: combine that with a grep, with the package you want.
[10:25] <apokryphos> black_nightmare: I think you wanna use gedit, but that's it, yes.
[10:26] <mackid> black_nightmare: i would use nano.. 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[10:26] <mackid> but yeah.
[10:26] <Echylo> Vjaz the latest I guess
[10:26] <pablo928> Seveas:is apt-get dist-upgrade usually a safe command?
[10:26] <black_nightmare> ok let me try type that mackid
[10:26] <Echylo> 2.10
[10:26] <ubuntoid> Seveas, It says I have 2.6.10-5 of each installed
[10:26] <tritium> pablo928, mostly, but it can be dangerous depending on the status of packages in the repo
[10:26] <black_nightmare> ok ughh....damn :|
[10:27] <black_nightmare> seveas your lines went off my text buffer --- which lines in sources.list should I remove the #'s from again?
[10:27] <apokryphos> pablo928: dist-upgrade of stable > stable is fully supported, but stable > unstable, not so. Still, it should be fine, generally.
[10:27] <Seveas> black_nightmare, all lines that start with deb and contain the word univers
[10:27] <Seveas> universe*
[10:27] <Keizer> O.M.F.G. Ubuntu 4 Life
[10:27] <pablo928>  tritium:I used it last night and lost internet access until this morning when I by-passed my router.
[10:28] <tritium> pablo928, if you're not careful, you can inadvertently remove packages that you need
[10:28] <ubuntoid> Is linux-image the kernel?
[10:28] <tritium> ubuntoid, yes
[10:28] <Vjaz> Echylo: maybe do a 'find /usr/share -name "*.desktop"' or something?
[10:28] <Echylo> hmm ok
[10:28] <Echylo> thanks
[10:28] <Echylo> but I just realised
[10:28] <black_nightmare> seveas..ah ok..found two and uncommented them
[10:28] <Echylo> I don't really need the menu
[10:28] <ubuntoid> tritium, Will apt handle the changes in grub?  Or do I need to do something?
[10:28] <Echylo> so I just removed it from the panel :p
[10:28] <Seveas> black_nightmare, good
[10:28] <tritium> ubuntoid, what do you mean?
[10:28] <pablo928>  tritium:I guess it's a command that I narmally should leave alone
[10:28] <black_nightmare> umm how do I save a file in nano??? lol
[10:28] <Seveas> now, as root, type apt-get update
[10:28] <Servo888> So what is the latest release? Hoary? or Warty?
[10:29] <tritium> pablo928, usually, yes
[10:29] <dabugas> i've been editing the launchers in applications:/ with nautilus and for some reason they don't actually appear in the gnome menu
[10:29] <randabis> hoary is the latest
[10:29] <dabugas> anyone know what may be wrong?
[10:29] <ubuntoid> tritium, On other distros, one needs to add the new kernel settings by hand
[10:29] <fangorious> is there a command to refresh the menu so I don't have to log out/in after installing something?
[10:29] <Seveas> black_nightmare, use <CTRL> and O
[10:29] <apokryphos> pablo928: not really. I update a couple times a week.
[10:29] <randabis> but it isn't released yet
[10:29] <tritium> Warty is the latest stable and supported
[10:29] <eyequeue> pablo928:  sudo apt-get install packagename
[10:29] <black_nightmare> ah ty seveas
[10:29] <apokryphos> dabugas: yeah, gnome menus are busted.
[10:29] <black_nightmare> so run apt-get update already...right?
[10:29] <eyequeue> pablo928:  that will always tell you what else it wants to do, and you can say yes or no (no if you don't like it)
[10:29] <tritium> ubuntoid, update-grub will be run automatically
[10:29] <Keizer> Wow
[10:30] <Keizer> gcc not installed?
[10:30] <fangorious> dabugas, at least in fedora, the applcations: interface is always disabled ("because it doesn't work" being the reason)
[10:30] <eyequeue> pablo928:  an easy and safe way to find out what is holding back a package
[10:30] <apokryphos> Keizer: apt-get install build-essential
[10:30] <calvin> tritium, well i switched to i386, and it looks like i'm much closer: http://www.pastebin.com/263103
[10:30] <pablo928> apokryphos:I do daily but I guess i'll just use apt-get upgrade instead. Safer?
[10:30] <tritium> calvin, that's good
[10:30] <black_nightmare> seveas .. I should run 'apt-get update' now...correct?
[10:30] <Guilmon> question, where is glut.h?
[10:30] <Seveas> yes
[10:31] <Seveas> Guilmon, in the glut-dev package
[10:31] <eyequeue> dabugas:  but it only gets worse in hoary, there is no applications:///
[10:31] <Servo888> So ubuntu is debian based right? So it supports apt-get and such.  It won't remove packages. See man apt-get
[10:31] <Seveas> eyequeue, amaranth has made a nice editor for that
[10:31] <apokryphos> pablo928: daily is quite unnecessary though. :)
[10:31] <Guilmon> Seveas: oh. Thanks, I thought I tried that, I guess I forgot -dev :)
[10:31] <eyequeue> Servo888:  with a release every six months, stable is not old
[10:31] <apokryphos> eyequeue: but the packages are. :P
[10:31] <Guilmon> Seveas: hmmm
[10:31] <dabugas> hmm, so is there anyone of getting a nifty menu like that?
[10:32] <calvin> tritium, it looks like it should be working, but i just get a blank screen...
[10:32] <dabugas> anyone=any way
[10:32] <black_nightmare> ahhh ok seveas..its grabbing the lists off web for the respoitories....am I correct?
[10:32] <fangorious> when I install a new application in apt (thunderbird and graveman being the two in question) the menu entry has a default icon rather than the one in it's .desktop file. is there a way to refresh the icon without logging out/in?
[10:32] <Seveas> Servo888, gnome is really bleeding edge, the rest is modern
[10:32] <Echylo> dabugas you have hoary?
[10:32] <tritium> calvin, hmm...
[10:32] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell dabugas ubugnomemenu
[10:32] <Pyre> dabugas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20705
[10:32] <dabugas> Echylo: warty
[10:32] <Servo888> Seveas, ok.
[10:32] <Guilmon> Seveas: okay, there is no glut-dev ;)
[10:32] <calvin> tritium, last line is "(II) Initializing extension GLX"
[10:32] <calvin> no error
[10:32] <tritium> ok
[10:32] <eyequeue> Servo888:  the next release date is 6 april btw
[10:32] <Seveas> Guilmon, libglut3-dev
[10:32] <black_nightmare> seveas ok its done with that apt-get .. I guess thats it?
[10:32] <Guilmon> Seveas: aha!
[10:32] <Seveas> yes
[10:32] <Servo888> Seveas, or eyequeue; does ubuntu ship with a light weight wm such as fluxbox? I have a 350Mhz cpu which I want to use as a dvd player; so gnome and kde is over kill.
[10:33] <ubuntoid> Ah.... got it back.  Thank you folks
[10:33] <pablo928>  apokryphos: It's because hoary has so many large upgrades
[10:33] <Seveas> now open synaptic and search for games (or cowsay if you want that specific one)
[10:33] <Guilmon> Seveas: freeglut fyi ;)
[10:33] <Keizer> Gah, how can I kill an apt-get process that I ctrl-z ed?
[10:33] <Seveas> Servo888, it doesn't come with fluxbox on cd, but it's easy to install using apt
[10:33] <Guilmon> it says it selects freeglut instead of libglut
[10:33] <eyequeue> Keizer:  fg
[10:33] <apokryphos> pablo928: Things are uploaded a lot, but major changes aren't; not really. Unless you really wanna update a package, it's not really necessary.
[10:34] <Servo888> Seveas, excellent - thanks for the help, I'll download the iso, back up some data, and install :-)
[10:34] <Seveas> pablo928, after release hoary will have no updates
[10:34] <Seveas> except for security bugs
[10:34] <alterim> since i got into linux a few days ago, my gf has complained i've been neglecting her
[10:34] <apokryphos> Keizer: ctrl-z ed?
[10:34] <Keizer> Thanks
[10:34] <black_nightmare> seveas it works now ty a lot....I'm seeing 'universal' sections now
[10:34] <Seveas> and other seriu=ous bugs
[10:34] <alterim> anyone else get this
[10:34] <black_nightmare> and I found cowsay :)
[10:34] <Keizer> I used ctrl-z on it
[10:34] <apokryphos> alterim: :D
[10:34] <Seveas> alterim, :)
[10:34] <Seveas> sounds familiar
[10:34] <black_nightmare> I'm going off for now so bye ;)
[10:34] <eyequeue> Keizer:  fg, then ^C if you really want it dead
[10:34] <alterim> why is that something to smile at?
[10:34] <apokryphos> Keizer: are you using synaptic or apt?
[10:35] <black_nightmare> ty anyhow everyONE!
[10:35] <alterim> to me it's making me think.. is this worth it?
[10:35] <dabugas> so it's nautilus editing that's broken; the menus _do_ work
[10:35] <dabugas> right?
[10:35] <Seveas> dabugas, it's not broken
[10:35] <apokryphos> dabugas: in Ubuntu, yes.
[10:35] <eyequeue> alterim:  yeah, many find gfs are not worth it
[10:35] <Seveas> it simply is no longer there
[10:35] <Seveas> gnome 2.10 has a new menu system
[10:35] <pablo928>  apokryphos:I'm thinking to leave my version of hoary alone now until it becomes stable. Less than 2 weeks?
[10:35] <apokryphos> dabugas: check the link I gave you earlier.
[10:35] <tritium> calvin, I'm just not really seeing anything terribly wrong
[10:35] <Seveas> for which no official editor exists
[10:35] <eyequeue> Seveas:  he mentioned applications:///, so i think he's still on warty
[10:35] <apokryphos> pablo928: no harm in that at all. I recommend doing so, yes.
[10:36] <dabugas> apokryphos: i checked it out; the package is not there
[10:36] <Seveas> eyequeue, i missed that, sorry
[10:36] <Wiser> wow, finally an Ubuntu version that will let me use my wireless!  :-D
[10:36] <tritium> calvin, I've got to get going.  It looks like you're getting close.  Good luck!
[10:36] <michael> hi, i'm trying to set up a dual monitor display.. i altered my xorg.conf file (i'm in hoary) to have two monitors and two screens and the serverlayout has Screen1 RightOf Screen2, but i rebooted and there is no change
[10:36] <calvin> thx tritium
[10:36] <tritium> calvin, take care
[10:36] <eyequeue> Seveas:  np, that's what triggred my "and it's gone in hoary" comment that probably threw you off
[10:36] <dabugas> o,h wait. it is. my bad :)
[10:37] <pablo928>  apokryphos:Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
[10:37] <pvoce> Fack: nothing worked last night, so I started from scratch and installed the nvidia-glx drivers through synaptic.  I now get the "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" error.  Known issue?
[10:37] <eyequeue> i really do think removing functionality/configurability is a bad direction though
[10:37] <Seveas> eyequeue, it is
[10:37] <Seveas> but the new menu system is so much better
[10:37] <Servo888> michael, you don't need to reboot your pc. Just restart xorg.
[10:37] <Seveas> Amaranth's editor works good though
[10:37] <eyequeue> Seveas:  better in what way?
[10:38] <ells> how do i enable the dma on my dvdplayer
[10:38] <Seveas> ells, with hdparm
[10:38] <alterim> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper installation?
[10:38] <claint> hi there. anyone know where ubuntu keeps the downloaded packages?
[10:38] <michael> Servo888: well either way, i rebooted my system and there was no change.. what could i be doing wrong?
[10:38] <alterim> noone is able to help me so far :(
[10:38] <eyequeue> Seveas:  make me feel grateful for it :)
[10:38] <Seveas> claint, /var/cache/apt/packages
[10:38] <bhna> ells: etc/hdparm.conf
[10:38] <claint> Seveas : thankkk you
[10:38] <ells> Seveas, hdparm -df 1 or something like that
[10:38] <pvoce> ells hdparm 1 /dev/(dvddevice)
[10:38] <Seveas> eyequeue, for one thing in compatibility
[10:38] <ells> pvoce thanks
[10:38] <WeirdAl> The damned winetools font server is dead.
[10:38] <WeirdAl> I can't install any fonts.
[10:38] <Seveas> eyequeue, read up on freedesktop.org :)
[10:39] <Echylo> hmm how can you remove all the kde packagesN
[10:39] <pvoce> with the df of course...typing ahead of myself:)
[10:39] <Echylo> ?
[10:39] <dabugas> okay, i'm getting the depends for the menu editor, thanks :)
[10:39] <Servo888> michael, post your config here http://pastebin.com/
[10:39] <Seveas> Echylo, remove kdelibs-4
[10:39] <Servo888> michael, and send a link back to this channel
[10:39] <michael> servo888: okay
[10:39] <Seveas> a lot depends on it, so that will get removed too
[10:39] <alterim> can anyone help me with ndiswrapper installation?
[10:39] <ells> pvoce, is it just hdpar 1 /dev/hdc then
[10:39] <ells> hdparm
[10:39] <eyequeue> alterim:  apparently not in here?  search the wiki and forums, i guess
[10:39] <pvoce> ells: ad the -df
[10:40] <ells> thanks
[10:40] <alterim> i've searched everywhere
[10:40] <alterim> and idon't even understand the guides i have found
[10:40] <eyequeue> alterim:  did you post a request to ubuntu-users?
[10:40] <claint> Seveas : close enough. i got them in /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:40] <alterim> nothing seems coherent in terms of what people say
[10:40] <super_dude2> what do i do to install jvm i get this error when i open the selfextracting file
[10:40] <super_dude2> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[10:40] <super_dude2> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[10:40] <alterim> no
[10:40] <dabugas> i remember that once upon a moon metacity was really slow and sluggish. has anyone seen any advantage in using gnome with another wm such as openbox, sawfish, etc?
[10:40] <michael> Servo888: http://pastebin.com/263106
[10:40] <ells> pvoce: is this is  hdparm -df 1 /dev/hdc
[10:40] <pvoce> ells: you should be able to ad the statement in one of your init files to do it at boot
[10:40] <mtl514> is ubuntu a livecd distro?
[10:40] <eyequeue> alterim:  lists.ubuntu.com should have a link as to where to mail to
[10:40] <ells> pvoce; okay
[10:41] <eyequeue> alterim:  if i knew myself, i'd walk you through it of course
[10:41] <Seveas> dabugas, i have to use gnome+sawfish at work
[10:41] <Seveas> it stinks
[10:41] <pvoce> ells: is the hdc your dvd drive?
[10:41] <Seveas> (imnsho)
[10:41] <eyequeue> mtl514:  both yes and no
[10:41] <ells> pvoce, yes
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> mtl514: yes and no - it's both live or install.
[10:41] <Seveas> mtl514, ubuntu has both livecd's and install cd's
[10:41] <dabugas> mtl514: no, but there is a live cd version of it
[10:41] <eyequeue> mtl514:  depends on which way you choose to use it
[10:41] <Seveas> well well :)
[10:42] <dabugas> Seveas: i used that a cpl of years ago, having out of the wm-business for some time
[10:42] <mtl514> just want to it work
[10:42] <Echylo> what does this error means? ** (process:13541): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:42] <pvoce> ells: that would be it then
[10:42] <bhna> ells: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:42] <Seveas> Echylo, i get that a lot too
[10:42] <Seveas> seems pretty harmless though
[10:42] <Echylo> oh ok :)
[10:42] <Echylo> yes
[10:42] <Echylo> but it's strange :)
[10:43] <dabugas> it's just that gtk-2.0 is not really that fast and metacity is built on that
[10:43] <LeeJunFan> mtl514: well that it can't do :)
[10:43] <ells> bhna, what should i change in that config file
[10:43] <alterim> i just want to cry
[10:43] <alterim> 3 days
[10:43] <mtl514> i tried knoppix, dsl & slax
[10:43] <alterim> it's not right that someone spends 3 days trying to make a wireless card work
[10:43] <michael> Servo888: what I do have though is the second monitor is just a copy of the other monitor.. so there are two mouse cursors.. two XChats two AMSN etc
[10:44] <Bazzi> alterim I spent two
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> alterim: what kind do you have?
[10:44] <bhna> ells: the hdparm-settings for every disks
[10:44] <Servo888> michael, With the ati driver I think there need to be a second device created. | try following this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> Bazzi: both of mine worked out of the box - so to speak :)
[10:44] <mtl514> alterim , the nplug it in ;)
[10:44] <eyequeue> alterim:  once you get that part, a suggestion:  test with no encryption initially, then build from there
[10:44] <Bazzi> LeeJunFan j00 hax0r.
[10:45] <ells> bhna, , okay will do
[10:45] <michael> Servo888: but i only have one video card device
[10:45] <LeeJunFan> Bazzi: yeah, but I always compile my own kernel and had to compile modules then :)
[10:45] <OpaH> is there any known way to tell the video-detection _NOT to use "S3 Inc. ViRGE/MX (rev 06)" but "vesa and FBDev" instead? Problem ist that S3 as detected also kills the 'character-mode' Terminals, and there's no sshd up at the time. Not having a root-account was not very intuitive at the time - but sudo bash helped a lot ;-)
[10:45] <tidalwav1> hi, room
[10:45] <tidalwav1> who knows anything about ndiswrapper
[10:45] <Servo888> michael, I know; but I think the day the ati driver works is it sees the one card as two.
[10:45] <Servo888> way*
[10:45] <alterim> haha tidalwavi i'm having the same problem
[10:46] <tidalwav1> alterim: what is the problem ;)
[10:46] <LeeJunFan> alterim: what kind of card do you have?
[10:46] <alterim> i can't figure out how to install it
[10:46] <michael> Servo888: okay thanks i will try that: PS (how do i restart xorg)
[10:46] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  can you help alterim get caught up to where you're at?
[10:46] <imsdle> hi guys.. i am back to square one.. I want to speed up my Ubuntu.. I'm using evertying generic
[10:46] <tidalwav1> eyeque: depends on what kind of card he has
[10:46] <pvoce> michael :cntl-alt-bksp
[10:46] <alterim> a safecom swlp-54108
[10:46] <alterim> acx111 apparently
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> alterim: sorry - no experience with that one. :(
[10:47] <randabis> if you don't need WEP, there are native linux drivers for acx111 chipsets iirc
[10:47] <tidalwav1> LeeJunFan: now help me ;)
[10:47] <supos> how do I check if a file is suid root?
[10:47] <Servo888> michael, not 100% sure in ubuntu; but you should be able to do something like /etc/init.d/xdm restart. It may be a bit different syntax. But make sure you alt,ctrl,f1 out of x first
[10:47] <pvoce> supos: ls -la
[10:47] <tidalwav1> I have a d-link dwl-122, I can connect using linux-wlan-ng, but I have to run a shell script I made to get it to work
[10:48] <tidalwav1> I want to use ndiswrapper to connect on boot
[10:48] <supos> pvoce: Ok, and how do I tell from the output?
[10:48] <geneo93> anyone know what is wrong with kppp
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: put your shell script in /etc/rc.boot :)
[10:48] <tidalwav1> LeeJunFan: I'm assuming it will have root permissions?
[10:48] <bhna> ells: you have to ad hdparm-initscript to the runlevel
[10:48] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yep.
[10:49] <pvoce> supos: ls -la the file and post the output here so were seeing the same thing
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: don't name it with .sh at the end for run-parts won't run it then.
[10:49] <dabugas> where would i post a how-to for using DVD Shrink with wine?
[10:49] <tidalwav1> LeeJun: but it can be named anything else?
[10:49] <tidalwav1> Lee: good thing you told me that, the script right now is called internet.sh :p
[10:49] <supos> pvoce:  -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 10894 2004-06-04 12:02 /opt/kde/bin/fileshareset
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yep, I have one in mine that changes my powernow cpu gov to ondemand.
[10:50] <WeirdAl> anyone good at wine want to help me? I can't seem to get it working.
[10:51] <WeirdAl> I'm trying to install PSP but it just stops.
[10:51] <pvoce> supos: theyre both root...one is set for owner, the next is for group
[10:51] <eyequeue> alterim:  does madwifi work with that?
[10:51] <tidalwav1> LeeJun: is it a folder?
[10:51] <supos> pvoce: I get that, it's the suid bit I don't understand
[10:51] <tidalwav1> I have no rc.boot
[10:51] <pvoce> supos: to see what I mean, do a chown (user) (filename)
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: yeah, I had a couple in with .sh ends and couldn't figure out why they didn't work :) .sh worked on mandrake run-parts.
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: just mkdir it.
[10:52] <tidalwav1> k ;)
[10:52] <dabugas> does anyone know where would i post a how-to for running DVD Shrink with wine?
[10:53] <supos> pvoce: I understand about owners and groups and permissions, but not suid
[10:53] <WeirdAl> or at least a chan/server where I can get loads of wine help?
[10:53] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  rc.boot is not a debian/ubuntu thing :)  man update-rc.d to see the ubuntu boot method
[10:53] <megabyte405> Where did the nice Ubuntu mouse cursors go when I upgraded to Hoary, and how do I get them back?
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> tidalwav1: rcS runs run-parts /etc/rc.boot if it finds it to be there.
[10:53] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  imo btter not to bastardize your box to conform to another distro's methods
[10:54] <LeeJunFan> eyequeue: thanks - I was looking for a command line chkconfig type prog.
[10:54] <eyequeue> but it's your box of course
[10:55] <tamir> how i can do "su" with X sever ?
[10:55] <eyequeue> LeeJunFan:  no idea what chkconfig is, :) but is it like update-rc.d?
[10:55] <stazich> hey, does anyone use other desktop on ubuntu ppc?
[10:55] <eyequeue> tamir:  you probably want sudo, not su
[10:55] <tidalwav1> tamir: not sure what your question is
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> eyequeue: yeah, it's the redhat,fedora,mdk method. chkconfig mysql on turns on mysql, etc...
[10:55] <tidalwav1> eyeqeue: is he talking about gksudo?
[10:55] <eyequeue> tamir:  what would you like to accomplish?
[10:56] <eyequeue> LeeJunFan:  ah
[10:56] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  ooo, insightful, he just may be
[10:56] <tamir> i not could do "sudo"
[10:56] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[10:56] <eyequeue> tamir:  are you not running from your first-created user account?
[10:57] <pvoce> supos: ahh ic ...suid is system user id, like sgid is system group id.  They are numbers you can find under a ps command.  Names of user and groups amy change, but not the number of the id
[10:57] <eyequeue> tamir:  only that account is in sudoers at first, and that accont could be used to add others if needed
[10:57] <WeirdAl> tamir, you have to log in as the account you created when you installed Ubuntu
[10:57] <tamir> i have just 1 users
[10:57] <tamir> one user and root
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  then is "tamir" the account you created at installation?
[10:58] <tamir> yes
[10:58] <pvoce> supos: for the sake of files, they are treated much like a user, with abilities to only affect certain areas of a system
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  you shouldn't have a root account
[10:58] <dabugas> warty doesn't support the depends for the gnome menu editor
[10:58] <dabugas> any other ideas?
[10:58] <dabugas> i don't mind editing files
[10:58] <WeirdAl> tamir: since you do, log in as it.
[10:58] <dabugas> as long as I knew where they were :)
[10:58] <tidalwav1> eyequeue: I could never figure out why there is no root acct...on a default ubuntu install I usually run sudo passwd :p
[10:58] <eyequeue> tamir:  but let's ask it this way:  how did you create that root account?
[10:59] <WeirdAl> I'm guessing he did it when he did have sudo and then removed sudo
[10:59] <tamir> yes, whene i write "su" i connect to "root"
[10:59] <WeirdAl> Sorry, removed himself from the sudo group.
[10:59] <eyequeue> tidalwav1:  security reasons, but see https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:59] <tidalwav1> brb, seeing it LeeJunFan's idea worked. :)
[11:00] <pvoce> I much prefer sudo than to su a root acct.....that leaves a term open, plus and acct to try an use
[11:00] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  there's no sudo group though, (i think you may be thinking wheel on bsds)
[11:00] <pvoce> just the pain of getting in and out of su is enough
[11:00] <WeirdAl> Oh. His error suggested there was.
[11:00] <WeirdAl> But it says sudoers file, so it's a similar thing... he's been removed or he's removed himself
[11:01] <kbrooks> Windows: A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.
[11:01] <jMHz> Hello can I ask a question?
[11:01] <kbrooks> LOL
[11:01] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  no, he'd have to have edited /etc/sudoers, and i rather suspect he didn't, based on his level of discourse about it
[11:01] <WeirdAl> This is what I'm thinking
[11:01] <eyequeue> jMHz:  you just did, so i suspect the answer is yes :)
[11:01] <mackid> kbrooks: heard it before, but yeah, funny
[11:01] <WeirdAl> So I think maybe he's had someone else do it for him.
[11:02] <jMHz> I am trying to run NVU on my new Ubuntu64 Warty but I'm getting a library error
[11:02] <super_dude2> help me what do i do to run this file
[11:02] <super_dude2> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:02] <super_dude2> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[11:03] <jMHz> error on running NVU is cannot find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 but I can find this package with apt-cache search
[11:03] <Zugot> man... no nzb fetching tools in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Zugot> i'm blown..
[11:03] <ubuntoid> super_dude2, sudo ./jre-1_5blah
[11:03] <super_dude2> ?
[11:04] <Zugot> jMHz, bryan@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:04] <Zugot> libgtk2.0-0: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:05] <geneo93> crimsun:  have any ideas how i can trouble shoot kppp
[11:05] <super_dude2> no such file or directory?
[11:05] <tamir> how i can fix it :( ????
[11:05] <tamir> tamir@ubuntu:~$ sudo kynaptic
[11:05] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:06] <usual> do fonts still go into .fonts in kde
[11:07] <jMHz> I have the lib libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in /usr/lib/ but nvu is still reporting it cannot find it do I need to make a link to the library??
[11:07] <mackid> everyone seen this?  too cool... http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/checkinstall
[11:07] <Zugot> jMHz, what is nvu?
[11:07] <Fl-i-nT> hi all
[11:07] <HELPME> The filename "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin" indicates that this file is of type "unknown". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "shell script". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.
[11:07] <HELPME> Do not open the file unless you created the file yourself, or received the file from a trusted source. To open the file, rename the file to the correct extension for "shell script", then open the file normally. Alternatively, use the Open With menu to choose a specific application for the file.
[11:07] <alterim> where's that guy that was helping me?
[11:07] <tidalwav1> alterim: heer
[11:07] <tidalwav1> *here
[11:07] <tidalwav1> lol
[11:07] <ubuntoid> HELPME, just execute it already
[11:07] <jMHz> nvu is an HTML editor based on mozilla from nvu.com
[11:08] <HELPME> how?
[11:08] <ubuntoid> HELPME, sudo ./jre-1_5blah
[11:08] <ubuntoid> HELPME, Same as five minutes ago
[11:08] <HELPME> it dont  work
[11:08] <ubuntoid> What does it say then?
[11:08] <Zugot> HELPME, .... run "sh jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin"
[11:08] <randabis> http://img145.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img145&image=snapshot36zn.jpg
[11:08] <netmonk> can someone point me to a site with ubuntu buttons and banners, pls
[11:08] <randabis> lol
[11:08] <HELPME> says no such file or directory
[11:08] <Zugot> and you don't have to run it as root either
[11:08] <ubuntoid> Ah, perms, okay
[11:09] <jc-denton> will the new ubuntu release support gnome 2.10?
[11:09] <mackid> jc-denton: it's already in hoary
[11:09] <mackid> jc-denton: and it's quite stable, IMO
[11:09] <Zugot> jc-denton, hoary already does
[11:09] <claint> quick question: i haven't seen ubuntu change my gnome menus, for which i am kinna grateful. but is there a way to change them or are there packages which add their icons to the menus?
[11:09] <ewhitte1> it's fuuun.
[11:09] <Zugot> i run hoary on x86 and amd64
[11:09] <tamir> how i can fix it :( ????
[11:09] <Zugot> runs just find for the most part
[11:09] <tamir> tamir is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[11:09] <ewhitte1> Zugot:  have you had any weirdness on  your amd64 box?
[11:10] <jc-denton> humm
[11:10] <jc-denton> can i use the package if i'm running debian sarge?
[11:10] <claint> ls
[11:10] <Zugot> ewhitte1, only with vpn software...
[11:10] <calvin> so i'm having strange problem with nvidia in hoary
[11:10] <mackid> tamir, what happened to your system, you should be in the sudoers file by default, if you're the only user on the machine
[11:10] <Zugot> everything else works just fine...
[11:10] <calvin> the module loads, and i get no error messages
[11:10] <jc-denton> claint: su
[11:10] <jc-denton> ;)
[11:10] <tidalwav1> I'm still officially out of ideas about ndiswrapper
[11:10] <calvin> but i just get a blank screen, no X
[11:11] <mackid> calvin, what kernel are you using, and are you using the ubuntu package from apt, or did you install nvidia-installer from nvidia.com?
[11:11] <jMHz> if I want to check out hoary how best to back up warty ? dd ?
[11:11] <jc-denton> what kernel does it come with?
[11:11] <claint> jc-denton : sudo su ;-p
[11:11] <randabis> 2.6.10-5
[11:12] <Zugot> tidalwav1, whats your problem?
[11:12] <Zugot> maybe I can help
[11:12] <randabis> sudo -s
[11:12] <HELPME> none can help me ?
[11:12] <kkathman> is there anyone here using an IDE for PHP that could help me with a pemissions issue?
[11:12] <Zugot> HELPME, i told you how to run that java bin file...
[11:12] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  sudo ./jre1.5whatever
[11:13] <Zugot> ewhitte1, don't do a ./jre1.5whatever... do a "sh ./jre1.5whatever"
[11:13] <tidalwav1> zugot: currently I'm using a shell script using linux-wlan-ng to make my internet work
[11:13] <tidalwav1> I installed ndiswrapper
[11:13] <Zugot> the file most likely doesn't have execute privs...
[11:13] <HELPME> I dopsent work!
[11:13] <tidalwav1> it recognizes my hardware
[11:13] <tidalwav1> I ran ndiswrapper -m
[11:13] <tidalwav1> but nothing happens on boot, it doesn't connect
[11:13] <ewhitte1> yes sir, captain sir.
[11:13] <ewhitte1> :-P
[11:13] <kkathman> I installed the Zend PHP IDE, created a file, but when I go to save the file, it complains that it cant, I am assuming because of permissions
[11:13] <Zugot> tidalwav1, add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[11:14] <claint> which programs use gstreamer other than totem?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  what are you actually typing in?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> claint:  rhythmbox does
[11:14] <HELPME> what you say
[11:14] <claint> ewhitte1 : anything else?
[11:14] <ewhitte1> and what is the error you're getting?
[11:15] <ewhitte1> claint:  off the top of my head, no.
[11:15] <jMHz> NE HELP? with this :/opt/nvu-0.90/nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:15] <jc-denton> cool
[11:15] <HELPME> no such file or directory
[11:15] <synd> I just downloded the PPC ubuntu warty.iso.. im going to burn it as a .iso with Nero but do I unzip it first or ?
[11:15] <ewhitte1> you are replacing the filename with the real filename and not just pasting our lines, right?
[11:15] <calvin> mackid, i've tried several different kernels.  currently i'm using i386.  i'm using the ubuntu nvidia package.
[11:15] <HELPME> yes i put it all in
[11:16] <ewhitte1> assuming you're in the same directory as the file, sudo sh ./jre1-5etc should work
[11:16] <basse_> synd: burn it as an .iso
[11:16] <tidalwav1> zugot, ndiswrapper -m wouldn't have done that/
[11:16] <HELPME> it dosent
[11:16] <tidalwav1> actually, it didn't
[11:16] <tidalwav1> good call
[11:16] <synd> basse: so dont unzip the original .iso files and then put those on nero and use that to burn a .iso disk?
[11:16] <tidalwav1> lemme try that and restart :p
[11:17] <ewhitte1> what do you see when you do an ls -l in that directory?
[11:18] <jMHz> basse: just file:open the iso with nero it'll make a bottable disk.
[11:18] <jMHz> basse: just file:open the iso with nero it'll make a bootable disk.
[11:18] <synd> ok nice. thanks
[11:18] <HELPME> bash : -: command not found
[11:18] <LordGrunt> hi
[11:19] <LordGrunt> i have small problem with adding or modifying users
[11:19] <basse_> synd: no, if you do that you wont be able to boot it.
[11:19] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  I have no idea what you typed.
[11:19] <HELPME> -l
[11:19] <LordGrunt> when im changing password for other than me users, it works for some short time then it gets reseted to root's password
[11:19] <ewhitte1> ls -l
[11:19] <ewhitte1> not just -l
[11:20] <HELPME> oh
[11:20] <basse_> jMHz: I'm not the one who needs help, synd is :)
[11:20] <HELPME> total 33712
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    6 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-27 09:30 Desktop
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    2 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-27 09:42 Java
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes    16542512 2005-03-26 19:36 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes    16542512 2005-03-26 19:36 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586 (copy).shell
[11:20] <HELPME> -rw-r--r--    1 lukes    lukes     1376256 2005-03-26 16:37 jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[11:20] <HELPME> drwxr-xr-x    2 lukes    lukes        4096 2005-03-26 19:38 My Downloads
[11:20] <ewhitte1> gahh
[11:20] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  that's what pastebin is forl
[11:21] <HELPME> ?
[11:21] <synd> basse: thanks.. ive already tried burning it both ways on OSX, but then found out that the disk utility on OSX doesnt support .iso burning. dont wanna waste anymore disks lol
[11:21] <LordGrunt> i would be glad to recieve assistance with my problem, anybody?
[11:21] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  www.pastebin.com
[11:21] <airox> Anyone ever got a logitech quickcam working with gnome-meeting ?
[11:22] <HELPME> lets see i installed this yesterday how was i supossed to know
[11:22] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: how are you setting them?
[11:22] <mackid> test
[11:22] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  you're not expected to, but flooding still isn't nice. :)
[11:22] <mackid> yeah, flooding.. eck
[11:22] <airox> I can get images from it with xawtv, but gnome-meeting is saying permission denied :(
[11:22] <HELPME> sorry
[11:22] <geneo93> e wittle if you what to be a bitch try going to a different channel
[11:22] <airox> yeah.
[11:22] <HELPME> but sill is that what it shold have said
[11:23] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: with different ways, kde user manager, lilo-config tool (there i forced one user to not use password at all, it got reseted anyway), adduser
[11:23] <ewhitte1> one might say the same if you want to use profanity, hmm?
[11:23] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  that's good, what I was looking for.
[11:23] <HELPME> great now what
[11:24] <geneo93> everyone knows everything but knowone really knows
[11:24] <airox> nice quote geneo93 ;)
[11:24] <tamir> why i cannot find SIm packge in Kubuntu ?
[11:24] <ewhitte1> you two need some alone time?
[11:25] <tamir> why i cannot find SIm packge in Kubuntu ?
[11:25] <ewhitte1> HELPME;  try pasting this:  sudo sh ./jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:25] <geneo93> ok i'll fix that
[11:25] <airox> damn
[11:25] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: and it's just happening? no reboot required?
[11:26] <HELPME> YAY!
[11:26] <HELPME> ty so much
[11:26] <geneo93> Ingredients for Potato soup
[11:26] <calvin> ok, so same problem with nvidia unfortunatelyu
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Potatoes, diced
[11:26] <geneo93> 1 1/3	Tbsp.	Minced onions
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	Tsp.	Salt
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	Tbsp.	Butter
[11:26] <geneo93> 2/3	Tbsp.	Flour
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Hot milk
[11:26] <geneo93> 1	c.	Hot water
[11:26] <geneo93> Preparation :
[11:26] <geneo93> Brown onion in butter. Add flour, blend well. Add potatoes, salt, water and a dash of pepper. Cook until potatoes are tender, add milk and heat through.
[11:26] <geneo93> Feel free to print out this recipe, link to it, or write it down for your personal, non-commercial use. Recipes may not be distributed in any way without prior written consent.
[11:26] <airox> tamir, You checked apt-cache search SIm ?
[11:26] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  np
[11:27] <geneo93> opps wrong box
[11:27] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: not sure, but reboot rather doesnt play role here. iirc once i was observing it, it just happened over time
[11:27] <tamir> yes, no result
[11:27] <dabugas> does anyone know in which file(s) i can find the launchers in the applications gnome menu?
[11:27] <calvin> shoot, i can't remember who was helping me with my nvidia problem...
[11:27] <airox> tamir, It could be that there isn't a package for it.
[11:27] <HELPME> you should get a some award :D
[11:27] <ewhitte1> dabugas:  look in /usr/share/applications
[11:27] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  did you know about www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:28] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: have you done anything in cron? perhaps 'egrep -R passwd /etc/cron*' and see where anything to do with passwd turns up?
[11:28] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  it has a lot of useful info for people starting out there too
[11:28] <geneo93> calvin:  where do you stand atm
[11:28] <calvin> so, same result but i noticed something new
[11:28] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: to explain it fully: main user+root have same pwd, then new user (wife's account) has the same group as main user (me)
[11:28] <HELPME> iv benn there got a bit lost
[11:28] <ewhitte1> HELPME:  no worries.  just making sure you knew about it too.  good luck
[11:29] <calvin> geneo93, "Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[11:29] <airox> dabugas, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21048 (could be usefull)
[11:29] <geneo93> calvin:  is this the newest nvidia driver
[11:29] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: man - I'm at a loss as to what (other than a cron) could be doing that.
[11:30] <dabugas> airox: this is for hoary & i'm on warty :( thanks, tho
[11:30] <dabugas> ewhitte1: there are links which are there but not appearing in my gnome menu
[11:30] <HELPME> oh and it just happend to be i was installing jvm so i couldnt run the client on the web site lukyly this came with ubuntu
[11:30] <samps> ok
[11:30] <airox> dabugas, use this then in a console: nautilus applications:///
[11:31] <osity> hey what the commnad to start the ssh server?
[11:31] <dabugas> airox: i've discovered that nautilus is fairly broken in this regard
[11:31] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1
[11:31] <airox> osity, Did you start it ?
[11:31] <samps> is there a way to remove this non-existing card?
[11:31] <airox> osity, err... installed it :)
[11:31] <dabugas> airox: apps i add don't show up and apps i edit disappear :(
[11:31] <loaofwar3> hi i am having a problem with apt-get update:
[11:31] <loaofwar3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:31] <loaofwar3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[11:31] <loaofwar3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:32] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: http://www.pastebin.com/263123
[11:32] <osity> uh...  not yet...whats the command to install it?  ap-get install ssh?
[11:32] <loaofwar3> sorry i mean apt-get upgrade
[11:32] <loaofwar3> i get this error
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> (Reading database ... 62592 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Preparing to replace ia32-libs 0.5ubuntu2 (using .../ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb) ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Unpacking replacement ia32-libs ...
[11:32] <loaofwar3> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[11:32] <loaofwar3>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory
[11:32] <loaofwar3> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:32] <geppy> I just reformatted and installed Hoary, but I'd like to recover my .gaim dir from my old ext3 filesystem.  What do I need to do?
[11:32] <loaofwar3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[11:32] <loaofwar3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:32] <mackid> ack!! flood!
[11:32] <airox> osity, apt-get install openssh-server
[11:32] <loaofwar3> sorry
[11:32] <whitti> I was wondering whether anyone has any tips as to getting the Sound Blaster Live (emu10k1) working under ubuntu?
[11:32] <calvin> geneo93, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[11:32] <mackid> use #flood or pastebin, PLEASE
[11:33] <loaofwar3> sorry
[11:33] <loaofwar3> can anyone help?
[11:33] <calvin> so, i think that's the right package
[11:33] <calvin> should i just try installing from source?
[11:33] <airox> geppy, reformatted the drive ?
[11:33] <geppy> Will I be able to use fsgrab and friends to recover data from a reformatted drive?
[11:33] <geppy> airox: Yes.
[11:33] <airox> dear lord.
[11:34] <geppy> airox: ah, yeah
[11:34] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1....how can i remove card0 from alsa?
[11:34] <loaofwar3> does anyone know how to install a .deb package?
[11:34] <airox> geppy, next time think before you do something ;)
[11:34] <calvin> any thoughts on the error i'm getting "Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[11:34] <geppy> airox: haha =)
[11:34] <osity> airox:   is says permission denied.....I dont remember the system asking me for a root password...
[11:34] <airox> loaofwar3, dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <Fl-i-nT> i have bad problems :(
[11:34] <mackid> loaofwar3: dpkg -i package.deb
[11:34] <mackid> airox lol
[11:34] <loaofwar3> lol ok
[11:34] <airox> loaofwar3, But you should use apt-get if possible.
[11:34] <geneo93> ok do you have nvidia glx and nividia-kernel-common installed
[11:34] <airox> mackid, damn you! :P
[11:34] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:34] <geppy> airox:  I spent the last couple of months making backups, and it seems that my .gaim dir backup is rather old, and I'm wondering if I could grep through the harddrive to find it
[11:35] <loaofwar3> i want to install cedega
[11:35] <mackid> :P
[11:35] <loaofwar3> so its not free
[11:35] <osity> i do remember it telling me it was going to add a user..
[11:35] <loaofwar3> i cant do aptget
[11:35] <geppy> loaofwar3: Go buy it, transgaming.com
[11:35] <loaofwar3> ok
[11:35] <blueyed> Hi. I'm running from the live CD (Hoary), waiting for my new AMD64 box to arrive.. It's awesome great! Thank you all.. :)
[11:35] <loaofwar3> they give u a .deb file right?
[11:35] <samps> i'm going to destroy alsa.
[11:35] <samps> this makes *no* sense
[11:35] <Covener> If I'm comfortable using debian sid and looking to dabble in ubuntu, should I grab the preview and just keep it up to date?
[11:35] <loaofwar3> transgaming gives you a .deb file right?
[11:35] <mackid> loaofwar3: not likely.
[11:35] <WeirdAl> someone remind me how to unzip a tar.gz from command line?
[11:36] <samps> tar zxvf
[11:36] <Covener> The hoary preview, that is
[11:36] <geppy> WeirdAl: tar -xvjf
[11:36] <WeirdAl> thx geppy
[11:36] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  gunzip
[11:36] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: that's the same I have. Just makes backups. hrm :-/
[11:36] <kobo> hello I need help! I've got nforce2 audio card. It works fine n' all but every time I reboot the volume settings are reset to the defaults which is really quiet... how can I fix this? I'm on hoary
[11:36] <osity> does it put a root password on for you by default?
[11:36] <samps> nobody here familiar with alsa and where it stores its config and all that?
[11:36] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: always best to refer to man tar
[11:36] <samps> kobo: alsactrl
[11:36] <eyequeue> osity:  no, ubuntu doesn't use a root account
[11:36] <blueyed> I've experienced a problem with Rhythmbox.. when I want to listen to a stream it says "Es gibt kein Element, das den MIME-Typ audio/mpeg dieses Datenstroms verarbeiten kann." - translated: there's no element that can handle the stream of type audio/mpeg.
[11:37] <WeirdAl> man tar scares me
[11:37] <blueyed> Is this a known "bug"?
[11:37] <apokryphos> WeirdAl: why?
[11:37] <blueyed> xmms works.
[11:37] <eyequeue> osity:   https://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:37] <LeeJunFan> blueyed: not as well as amarok :)
[11:37] <WeirdAl> 'cause it's full of options and -x isn't one of them anyway, even though I know I want -x at least.
[11:37] <LordGrunt> LeeJunFan: this is wicked, i added (in this session, ill see after reboot) new user several hours ago, can still login to it. now i cant login to wife's account even with root pwd
[11:37] <osity> thanks eye
[11:37] <blueyed> LeeJunFan, yes, but I'm on gnome for now..
[11:38] <apokryphos> blueyed: you can run amaroK on gnome
[11:38] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:         -x, --extract, --get
[11:38] <eyequeue>               extract files from an archive
[11:38] <saik0> After updating hoary something messed up my DNS. I can ping my router and get an IP from the DHCP but I cant do anything else
[11:38] <geneo93> calvin:  you need nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Hm ... what was I looking at last time?
[11:38] <kobo> samps: could u be more specific? :]
[11:38] <eyequeue> WeirdAl:  your man page is defective, file a bug
[11:38] <blueyed> this is the stream that fails on rhythmbox.. http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8020/
[11:38] <loaofwar3> can i just double click the .deb file in gnome to insatll it?
[11:38] <WeirdAl> Oh yeah, it's man gzip that confuses me. Sorry :-)
[11:38] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  of course not
[11:38] <blueyed> apokryphos, just install and run? I'll try.
[11:38] <samps> alsactl store card#
[11:38] <eyequeue> loaofwar3:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:38] <apokryphos> blueyed: sure. Just like all K apps.
[11:38] <samps> will store the settings on the card
[11:39] <LeeJunFan> LordGrunt: I'll have to try here. I hope it's not some bug - I plan on using ubuntu on a bunch of servers soon after it's relased :)
[11:39] <loaofwar3> ok ok
[11:39] <samps> type alsactl power to see how many cards you have
[11:39] <blueyed> apokryphos, I thought they were limited to KDE.
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: it's in the repositories. Be sure to get the other amarok engines there; you probably won't wanna use aRts.
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: of course not. :)
[11:39] <[nrx_] > hi. I'm trying to get ndiswrapper working with my wlan card.. however, dmesg seems to be providing me with this error message "ERROR 2 trying to open firmware image file '/lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386': file not found - make sure this EXACT filename is in eXaCtLy this directory!
[11:39] <[nrx_] > "
[11:39] <kobo> ok ic it shows one
[11:39] <[nrx_] > can anyone suggest anything to help with it?
[11:39] <apokryphos> blueyed: same as gnome/gtk apps, but vice versa.
[11:39] <samps> then alsactl store 0
[11:40] <samps> it'll save all alsa settings on card 0
[11:40] <kobo> k thx I got it
[11:40] <blueyed> can anyone confirm that Rythmbox fails on this stream?
[11:40] <[nrx_] > no suggestions?
[11:41] <osity> airox: can i ssh in if i dont have a root account?
[11:41] <samps> i have a problem with alsa...it installed some card that's never been in my machine as card0 and then my real card as card1....how can i remove card0 from alsa?
[11:41] <eyequeue> osity:  don't do things as root, especially not ssh
[11:41] <osity> ok
[11:41] <airox> osity, Yes, you should even consider setting PermitRootLogin to No. But I guess ubuntu doesn't allow root logins because of the sudo behaviour.
[11:42] <osity> i cant seem to ssh in as a user...
[11:42] <osity> i installed the ssh server
[11:42] <osity> do i have to start it?
[11:42] <eyequeue> osity:  have you installed openssh-server?
[11:42] <airox> osity, check the log.
[11:42] <osity> or is is auto
[11:42] <samps> agggh
[11:42] <airox> osity, /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[11:42] <osity> ah ....
[11:42] <osity> gracias muchacho!
[11:43] <airox> osity, Could be you have to add yourself to AllowUsers. But I guess it isn't necessarry on ubuntu.
[11:43] <saik0> bah, even windows connects to the internet properly....what the hell happened ubuntu
[11:43] <blueyed> What would be needed to make Rhythmbox play this stream (http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8020/)? I think it should get fixed for the release..
[11:43] <saik0> it stopped resolving DNS altogether
[11:44] <eyequeue> saik0:  i seem to think i'm connected to the internet here
[11:44] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to eject a data cd? It will only let me do so during the boot sequence.
[11:44] <eyequeue> saik0:  can you ping by ip number?
[11:44] <Bloody|RLC> http://img155.exs.cx/img155/6587/misseurope20052ct.jpg
[11:44] <saik0> eyequeue, I sure can, I've pinged my router
[11:44] <samps> saik0: check /etc/resolv.conf
[11:44] <samps> and ping your name servers
[11:44] <Bloody|RLC> russia very good
[11:44] <osity> airox ...it says Temporary failure in name resolution
[11:44] <[nrx_] > need help with ndiswrapper ;/;
[11:45] <[nrx_] > or
[11:45] <eyequeue> saik0:  dhcp involved?
[11:45] <[nrx_] > how do i get the device manager working?
[11:45] <airox> osity, The log fiel ?
[11:45] <airox> file ...
[11:45] <osity> which log file to i look at?
[11:45] <andreas_> Does anyone know how to eject a data cd? It will only let me
[11:45] <andreas_>                   do so during the boot sequence.
[11:45] <saik0> eyequeue. correct
[11:45] <eyequeue> saik0:  system > administration > networking
[11:45] <andreas_> Probably a little thing I missed
[11:46] <blueyed> Another issue I had (with no active linux experience): setting up my DSL connection (without router). Will this get handled by the final Hoary?
[11:46] <airox> osity, afaik /var/log/auth.log ...
[11:46] <eyequeue> saik0:  look under dns
[11:46] <airox> blueyed, usb or ethernet modem ?
[11:46] <eyequeue> saik0:  then try pinging each server there by ip address
[11:46] <blueyed> ethernet, airox
[11:46] <blueyed> ppoeconf did it..
[11:46] <saik0> eyequeue, the only IP there is the router IP
[11:47] <airox> blueyed, afaik an ethernet modem is 2 seconds of work :)
[11:47] <blueyed> but I had to boot Windows to google for it.
[11:47] <eyequeue> blueyed:  is that via dhcp?
[11:47] <shnastybiznastic> so can the default warty install mount ntfs filesystems read only?
[11:47] <blueyed> eyequeue, , no.
[11:47] <bi3zt> what r the files bash_profile and bashrc ?
[11:47] <airox> shnastybiznastic, afaik yes.
[11:47] <eyequeue> saik0:  okay, there's the problem, the router is not telling you your isp's dns servers
[11:47] <airox> bi3zt, They are used by bash (a shell).
[11:48] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  read the first few lines of each, should describe
[11:48] <shnastybiznastic> airox, cool, just mount -t ntfs /dev/filesystems
[11:48] <eyequeue> blueyed:  odd.  how do you connect?
[11:48] <airox> shnastybiznastic, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /media/ntfs ;)
[11:48] <eyequeue> blueyed:  pppoe?
[11:48] <saik0> eyequeue, well tats not good at all, how do I fix this
[11:48] <airox> shnastybiznastic, /media/ dir is special in ubuntu
[11:49] <blueyed> eyequeue, yes, pppoe. I had to start pppoeconf that did it.
[11:49] <eyequeue> saik0:  first off, i'd check into what is wrong with the router, but may i /msg you?
[11:49] <eyequeue> blueyed:  okay, cool
[11:49] <airox> Guys, I'm not very clear this moment. Which programs do you all use which aren't in the default ubuntu hoary install and are very common to use ??
[11:49] <shnastybiznastic> airox, alright, this default install didn't let her set a root password, how do we do that?
[11:49] <airox> I need to make a nice complete system.
[11:49] <airox> Need suggestions :)
[11:49] <saik0> eyequeue, yep /msg away
[11:49] <blueyed> but it should make it easier (I had to google for it), eyequeue
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, First read about the sudo behaviour of ubuntu.
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> airox, alright, where?
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, You don't have to set one in order to do things as root.
[11:50] <WeirdAl> OK, I can't seem to get my printer to work ...
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, well google will know :)
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> airox, not to troll, but that sounds dangerous...
[11:50] <WeirdAl> It's HP
[11:50] <WeirdAl> USB, deskjet 960c
[11:50] <shnastybiznastic> alright, google away
[11:50] <WeirdAl> The wiki says that the 930c is supported...
[11:50] <airox> shnastybiznastic, hehe, you have to use sudo and enter YOUR password.
[11:51] <blueyed> and what I also noticed was that the live CD sets up some default password that I could not guess (and made me need to restart) (using the live CD).
[11:51] <WeirdAl> And there's no instructions.
[11:51] <WeirdAl> But I can't print on my 960c
[11:51] <WeirdAl> :-(
[11:51] <airox> shnastybiznastic, You can always disable all those behaviours.
[11:51] <loaofwar3> hi does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:52] <shnastybiznastic> airox, I figured I couyld disable them, but I might as well learn...
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Wait ... ignore me...
[11:52] <airox> shnastybiznastic, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo/view
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Sorry :-(
[11:52] <airox> That would be a good read.
[11:53] <airox> Anybody has some suggestions about nice programs for ubuntu ?
[11:53] <airox> I need to make ubuntu a replacement for windows
[11:53] <eyequeue> ls :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> airox: I'm doing the same
[11:53] <airox> hehe :)
[11:53] <WeirdAl> I suggest xmms, which is almost identical to winamp
[11:53] <airox> Yeah, already got it.
[11:53] <shnastybiznastic> airox, what do you need it to do?
[11:53] <airox> Just name some programs.
[11:53] <WeirdAl> And xine, which is like ... nothing really. It's a media player.
[11:54] <airox> WeirdAl, Is it nicer then mplayer ?
[11:54] <osity> so if you dont get root ....what do i type in at the GUI when it asks for a pass?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> That's up to you to decide.
[11:54] <WeirdAl> However, it does install things for DivX, MPEG etc when you install it.
[11:54] <bi3zt> hmmm so that bash thing is a shell ?
[11:54] <airox> osity, your password.
[11:54] <airox> bi3zt, yep.
[11:54] <jason__> I installed NVU mozilla HTML editor but it says error when opening shared libraries libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 which I have. Why can't NVU find it?
[11:54] <airox> bi3zt, like sh, tcsh ksh and many others.
[11:54] <loaofwar3> hi does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:54] <WeirdAl> Yes, the borne again shell
[11:54] <WeirdAl> b a sh
[11:55] <[nrx] > bourne
[11:55] <shnastybiznastic> airox, I do this on uni machines, it really depends on what you want, a good list is at http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
[11:55] <WeirdAl> oh yeha
[11:55] <[nrx] > :)
[11:55] <WeirdAl> I went back and re-spelled it cos I got it wrong once already :-p
[11:55] <bi3zt> is it on every linux and why can i only see it when connecting with gftp ?
[11:55] <WeirdAl> bi3zt, right-click the desktop and open a terminal.
[11:55] <WeirdAl> Voila, bash.
[11:55] <galactus> ol, algum que fale portugus?
[11:56] <loaofwar3> can any1 plz help?
[11:56] <loaofwar3> does anyone know how to install the 32 bit emulation packages so that i can get cedega to work?
[11:56] <galactus> ol, algum que fale portugus?
[11:56] <osity> falo eu
[11:56] <galactus> oi
[11:56] <galactus> to preciando de ajuda
[11:56] <osity> so when I restart the server will ssh still be running?
[11:56] <galactus> tenho uma ABIT NF7-S@
[11:57] <galactus> NF7-S2
[11:57] <airox> osity, When you are logged in yes.
[11:57] <osity> infelizement so tehno estr OS a 2 horas.....
[11:57] <galactus> o ubnutu no reconhece a placa de som onboard
[11:57] <[nrx] > osity, if it's in /etc/init.d/ yes
[11:57] <dabugas> has anyone experimented with updating from warty to hoary simply by adding the new sources and updating on an need basis (for example, when you install the new abiword you get the new gtk libs or whatever)
[11:57] <bi3zt> does anybody here know vsftpd ?
[11:57] <galactus> legal
[11:57] <airox> osity, After login ssh creates another process owned by the user who logged in. (because of security reasons) Thereby you can just restart it.
[11:58] <galactus> que sorte a minha :)
[11:58] <galactus> e ai o q ta achando?
[11:58] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  bash is he default shell for most every distro, but is not mandatory, one could install zsh and remove bash, perhaps
[11:58] <[nrx] > or ash
[11:58] <[nrx] > or sh
[11:58] <[nrx] > :
[11:58] <[nrx] > :D
[11:58] <[nrx] > or.. null
[11:58] <[nrx] > !
[11:59] <xuesheng> hi there
[11:59] <WeirdAl> nrx ... stfu :-)
[11:59] <bi3zt> how do i restart vsftpd ? i forgot it something with vsftpd restart ?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> lo
[11:59] <[nrx] > ;p
[11:59] <[nrx] > bi3zt /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[11:59] <eyequeue> bi3zt:  sudo /etc/init.d/...
[11:59] <WeirdAl> Does anyone know what command I can use from bash to set a torrent going without using the GUI?
[11:59] <WeirdAl> I RTFM'd but it's useless
[11:59] <xuesheng> WeirdAl: btdownloadcureses
[12:00] <xuesheng> WeirdAl: btdownloadcurses


 That quit message wasn't a custom one - its not set like that anywhere
[07:19] <magespawn> the router can be made to act as a wireless ap or a bridge, if it can connect to the wifi network
[07:19] <Kilos> wow
[07:19] <magespawn> hi Vince-0
[07:20] <Kilos> how do i tell it to search then magespawn
[07:20] <magespawn> let me check the router specs, which one was it again?
[07:20] <Kilos> million
[07:20] <Kilos> um
[07:21] <magespawn> billion
[07:21] <Kilos> billion 7300nx
[07:21] <Kilos> sorry had to hunt
[07:23] <Kilos> arent they made to supply an adsl 3g connection to wifi lan peeps only
[07:24] <magespawn> they do that as well
[07:24] <Kilos> im just about ready to pack it away
[07:25] <Kilos> i couldnt find any search thing and neice found a wifi signal on her tablet here
[07:26] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy wb
[07:26] <Kilos> niece
[07:26] <magespawn> thwasn't that signal coming from your router?
[07:26]  * Kilos throws bricks at inetpro_
[07:27] <Kilos> no name of a business near here
[07:27] <Kilos> so there must be others too
[07:28] <Kilos> if wifi is cheaper than mobile maybe i can buy a connection to one of the businesses near by
[07:29] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:33] <nlsthzn> morning
[07:38] <magespawn> Kilos: I do not see anything in the spec sheet that says it can, so you would need somebody to have a look at that router
[07:39] <Kilos> oh my
[07:39] <Kilos> you cant see anything but white cover with lights in front and sockets and aerials at the back
[07:40] <magespawn> i meant in the software
[07:40] <superfly> ohi magespawn
[07:40] <magespawn> hey superfly
[07:42] <Kilos> maybe they got a forums magespawn where one can get infoe
[07:42] <Kilos> info
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning Kilos, everyone
[07:42] <magespawn> when you log into the router itself it, usually under wireless network settings, usually called wireless bridge or something similar
[07:43] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:43] <Kilos> ah lemme look
[07:43] <Kilos> yay my 3g strength is back to 3 bars
[07:49] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:49]  * ThatGraemeGuy waves
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> does anyone recall who was asking about monitoring hardware raid on a dell box the other day? :-/
[07:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro_: was it you?
[07:50]  * ThatGraemeGuy pokes inetpro_with a stick
[07:52] <magespawn> Kilos gets 3 bars and then disconnects? lol
[07:56] <Kilos> im starting to hate that wifi thing
[07:56] <Kilos> kills my 3g everytime
[07:59] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I think it was inetpro_
[08:00] <superfly> You know what's wrong with this world?  It's been too windy to try and attach the GoPro
[08:50] <Squirm> so, from the first video, I've captured a whole bunch of frames I now want to merge into one large 'panorama' type image. Any idea how I can automatically do this?
[08:52] <magespawn> nuvolari might know
[08:52] <magespawn> Kilos: wb
[08:53] <inetpro> Kilos: wb, I was just about to ask what happened with you
[08:53] <Kilos> ty magespawn terrible signal that keeps dropping and the billion dont help either
[08:53] <Kilos> hi there inetpro
[08:54] <inetpro> Squirm: you must learn to fly man :-)
[08:54] <Kilos> magespawn, did you look at that link in my channel or was i disconnected
[08:54] <Squirm> inetpro: I know how to fly
[08:54] <Kilos> into trees
[08:54] <Squirm> like I said, the tree jumped in the way
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:55] <Squirm> and the plane is really... dosile, with the GoPro onboard
[08:55] <magespawn> will check it now
[08:55] <Kilos> docile
[08:55] <inetpro> Squirm: looks like a lot of fun
[08:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:56] <inetpro> Maaz: define docile
[08:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Docile \Doc"ile\, a. [L. docilis,fr. docere to teach; cf. Gr. ?, and L. discere to learn, Gr. ? learned, ? knowing: cf. F. docile. Cf. {Doctor}, {Didactic}, {Disciple}.] 1. Teachable; easy to teach; docible. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]  2. Disposed to be taught; tractable; easily managed; as, a docile child. [1913 Webster]  The elephant is at once docible and
[08:56] <Maaz> docile. -- C. J. Smith. [1913 Webster], docile adj 1: willing to be taught or led or superv…
[08:57] <magespawn> Kilos: to do that you would have to check if your router can handle dd-wrt software
[08:58] <magespawn> did you check the router to see if it can bridge?
[08:58] <Kilos> i see nowhere in it the word bridge
[08:58] <Kilos> or in the manual so far
[08:59] <Kilos> did find one link where someone else cant connect it to their 3g with 8ta but works on voda
[09:04] <Kilos> hey you clever peeps go read this
[09:04] <Kilos> http://lifehacker.com/178132/hack-attack-turn-your-60-router-into-a-600-router
[09:05] <inetpro> Kilos: forget about it being a router and focus on making it work as a switch
[09:05] <Kilos> ai! what does a switch do?
[09:06] <inetpro> obviously if you could get it to work as a router with a 3g dongle it would be ideal, but I doubt it will work with your arab thing
[09:06] <inetpro> you would need another 3g usb device
[09:07] <Kilos> inetpro, listen to my plan of yesterday
[09:07] <Kilos> i was trying to share 3g from a second pc
[09:08] <Kilos> the idea was that if i then put the router on the second pc it will work through that pc to share this ones 3g
[09:08] <Kilos> does that sound feasable
[09:08] <Kilos> Maaz, define feasable
[09:08] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about feasable. Maybe you meant Leasable, Feasible or feasible?
[09:09] <Kilos> feasible
[09:09] <inetpro> ai!
[09:09] <Kilos> what ai!
[09:10] <Kilos> dumb idea?
[09:11] <inetpro> no time to explain now but basically you need to have it as follows
[09:11] <inetpro> 3g <-> PC <-> switch <-> other PC's or wireless devices
[09:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:13] <Kilos> np ill keep playing and see what the outcome
[09:14] <inetpro> to be more clear
[09:14] <inetpro> 3g <-> PC acting as router/gateway <-> switch <-> other PC's or wireless devices
[09:15] <Kilos> theres that switch thing again
[09:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:18] <Squirm> Kilos: the switch = your current router
[09:18] <Kilos> oh ty Squirm
[09:18] <charl> hi Squirm
[09:18] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:18] <Squirm> lo charl
[09:18] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:18]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:18] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:22] <Kilos> lemme see if i can make it see the 3g. wbb sol
[09:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:24] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:24] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:26] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:58] <Kilos> hi mazal
[10:20] <Kilos> oh my
[10:21] <Kilos> tower so bad i cant even phone 8ta at 140
[10:21] <Kilos> signal strength keeps showing full on mtn the switching to nothing on 8ta
[10:22] <Kilos> at lease irc is hanging on
[12:11] <charl> hi psyatw
[12:12] <charl> i am now thoroughly into using i3wm
[12:12] <charl> very happy so far
[12:12] <charl> all keyboard
[12:21] <psyatw> oh, that sounds good
[12:35] <superfly> i tried using awesome earlier today. it was pretty awesome, except i needed to actually be useful, so I had to go back to KDE
[12:36] <Kilos> hehe
[12:42] <psyatw> haha
[12:54] <charl> superfly: how is awesome not useful?
[12:54] <charl> a window manager is a window manager, as long as it manages your windows it does its job
[12:54] <superfly> charl: it is not useful because I don't know it
[12:55] <superfly> it has a bunch of shortcuts and a learning curve, and I just don't have the time to learn it at work right now
[12:56] <superfly> charl: and I never said awesome wasn't useful, I said that *I* need to be useful today
[12:57] <superfly> "...except i needed to actually be useful..."
[12:59] <charl> ah i see
[13:00] <charl> looked like a typo but i understand what you meant now
[13:28] <Dreen> Ubuntuans!
[13:30] <magespawn> superfly is HawkiesZA still alive?
[13:30] <magespawn> hi Dreen
[13:37] <Dreen> does ubuntu za have real life meetups ?
[13:54] <nlsthzn> only dead ones... sorry :(
[13:54] <nlsthzn> ;) kidding of course
[13:55] <nlsthzn> there has been many different events in ZA land
[14:02] <superfly> magespawn: he is, he even took a walk down to the basement with me
[14:02] <superfly> though I can't guarantee his state after that :-P
[14:06] <HawkiesZA> HawkiesZA is doing science and is still alive
[14:10] <nlsthzn> then you are doing it wrong
[14:13]  * tonberry352_ is doing engineering and is unsure if he is currently technically alive
[14:22] <Dreen> lol
[14:34] <magespawn> we do Dreen and sometimes we cross polinate with the various lugs
[15:16] <Symmetria> ;p
[15:16] <Symmetria> ULLO!
[15:17] <Symmetria> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1003659_10151650546305528_948207360_n.jpg <[15:21] <Kilos> yo Dreen
[15:22]  * Kilos barks and swallows a bob martins for large dogs
[15:22] <Symmetria> kilos how hot is my gf :P
[15:23] <Symmetria> lol Ihad to negotiate with ehr about what photos I was allowed to show haha
[15:23] <Kilos> where is she
[15:25] <Symmetria> kilos she's here with me
[15:25] <Symmetria> in Watamu :)
[15:25] <Symmetria> we're on holiday together
[15:25] <Kilos> ah
[15:41] <magespawn> later all, home time
[15:42] <Kilos> later magespawn
[17:11] <Kilos> sigh
[17:19] <Kilos> download speed 2.5kB/s
[17:22] <Kilos> like a bicycle in a formula 1 race
[17:26] <mazal> What's that Kilos ?
[17:26] <Kilos> my 8ta connection
[17:27] <Kilos> even when i fone to complain it drops the call before im halfway through
[17:27] <mazal> Oh boy
[17:55] <Dreen> hi yall!
[17:55] <Kilos> hi Dreen
[17:56] <superfly> bwahahaha
 like a bicycle in a formula 1 race
[17:56] <superfly> ^^ brilliant
[17:56] <Dreen> bril
[17:57] <Kilos> thats what it feels like superfly , very painful
[17:58] <Dreen> who likes Iron Maiden?
[17:59] <Kilos> who are they still alive?
[18:00] <Kilos> whew
[18:00] <Dreen> er, aive, yes
[18:00] <Dreen> alive
[18:00] <Kilos> im sure i member a group like that over 30 years ago
[18:00] <Dreen> I am rediscovering them after quite some years of not really listening to them
[18:01] <Dreen> yes indeed, they have been around a while for sure
[18:01] <Kilos> nice music to me is dire straits
[18:02] <Dreen> mmh, my time with them is still to come I think
[18:02] <Kilos> they also nearly dead man you better hurry
[18:02] <mazal> Evening Dreen
[18:03] <Dreen> hi there mazal
[18:03] <mazal> Yay !! I'm done
[18:03] <Dreen> haha they may die but their music wont
[18:05] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:05] <mazal> Evening magespawn
[18:06] <magespawn> mark knoppfler (spelling)? can make a fender howl like the best
[18:06] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[18:09] <magespawn> hey hey
[18:09] <Kilos> Mark Knopfler
[18:09] <mazal> Do you guys know why a usb drive would keep mounting itself after being ejected ?
[18:10] <Kilos> haha it gets lonely
[18:10] <magespawn> auto mount?
[18:10] <mazal> I plug in , it mounts , I do what needs be done , I click eject , it ejects and immediately mounts again
[18:10] <Dreen> I'm enjoying a spot of Porcupine Tree
[18:11] <mazal> So now I have to be quick and click eject and pull the cable before it mounts again
[18:11] <Kilos> haha
[18:12] <mazal> And it's only the hdd's that does it , the sticks behaves
[18:13] <magespawn> no idea
[18:13] <mazal> Is there an auto mount setting somewhere magespawn ?
[18:13] <magespawn> maybe a lose connection, have seen that before
[18:14] <magespawn> not sure there is software to install to do auto mount
[18:14] <mazal> I don't think so it fits really tight , and it's two different drives doing it with different sockets and cables.
[18:14] <mazal> Maaz , wat gaan aan ?
[18:14] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[18:15] <mazal> Maaz sorry won't solve it
[18:15] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[18:15] <magespawn> lol
[18:15] <magespawn> would need somebody who knows more
[18:17] <mazal> Maaz your tjommie google is also no help
[18:17] <Maaz> mazal: I'll remember that
[18:17] <Kilos> Maaz, google usb drive keeps auto mounting on ubuntu
[18:17] <Maaz> Kilos: "SeaGate FreeAgent External Hard Drive Keeps Auto ... - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/4210/seagate-freeagent-external-hard-drive-keeps-auto-mounting-repeatedly :: "10.10 - How to auto mount my external hard drive? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/10947/how-to-auto-mount-my-external-hard-drive :: "USB flash drive mount issue - Ask
[18:17] <Maaz> Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/177519/usb-flash-drive-mount-issue :: "USB emulated C…
[18:21] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you still kicking?
[18:28] <mazal> I'm off , sleep well everyone
[18:28] <Kilos> you too mazal
[18:28] <Kilos> ty
[18:29] <superfly> wow, this tax page takes long to load
[18:35] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:51] <superfly> taxes done!
[18:53] <cocooncrash> superfly: Have you gotten it to work on Linux?
[18:57] <superfly> cocooncrash: ohi :-)
[18:57] <cocooncrash> :)
[18:57] <superfly> cocooncrash: Google Chrome
[18:57] <superfly> cocooncrash: but I used the Android app cause it actually loaded before the world ended
[18:57] <cocooncrash> superfly: When I tried last week it required a later Flash version than is available on Linux
[18:57] <superfly> whereas Google Chrome, while working, wasn't loading very quickly
[18:58]  * cocooncrash tries again
[18:59] <cocooncrash> Oh, it's working
[18:59] <cocooncrash> Maaz: sars++
[19:00] <superfly> cocooncrash: Google Chrome uses that new (proprietary?) plugin API, which Adobe is happy to support
[19:00] <superfly> whereas Firefox doesn't
[19:00] <cocooncrash> It was the actual Flash version though
[19:00] <superfly> yes
[19:00] <cocooncrash> It wanted 11.3, but 11.2 is the latest on Linux
[19:00] <superfly> Chrome ships with 11.3, latest for Linux is 11.2
[19:01] <cocooncrash> Whoa, okay
[19:03] <superfly> cocooncrash: http://www.pcworld.com/article/250455/for_flash_on_linux_chrome_will_be_users_only_choice.html
[19:05] <magespawn> always good to know
[19:07] <magespawn> not that i ever fill out a tax return
[19:11] <magespawn> good  night all


[13:26]  * OvenWerks is watching miniLAC on parol.
[13:26] <OvenWerks> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/minilac16/
[13:38] <knome> would somebody willing to help the xubuntu team in writing an article about media manager options in the repository?
[13:39] <knome> if yes, i'm preparing the article on a pad at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mm-other - feel free to join
[21:38] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: watch the miniLAC, Qstuff https://streaming.media.ccc.de/minilac16/relive/15/
[21:40] <OvenWerks> Rui has a nicer colour on his version of qtracktor.
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Adjustable within qtractor to "Wonton Soup" with style "Plastique"


[00:28] <ndefontenay> plymouth working better guys?
[00:28] <ndefontenay> I just installed the new updates on 10.04.
[00:28] <ndefontenay> I get some extra terminal line before I get the GUI
[01:39] <ZachK_> Team....
[01:40] <canthus13> ...Rocket!
[01:45] <nhandler> o/
[08:13] <itlinux> Please tell me how to install Ubuntu on Branded Product like mine Wearnes premiere-6845l. I just got stuck even when trying Live CD
[08:13] <itlinux> But no problem with XP
[08:13] <itlinux> thank you


[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <mcphail> "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD" -> "wily-desktop-amd64.iso       09-Oct-2015 08:07  1.2G" : Guys, I think that horse has bolted. Perhaps we can stop pretending it is ever going to fit and remove the ugly red warnings?
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:50]  * tsimonq2 waves
[15:36] <skyjumper> wily working flawlessly so far
[15:36] <skyjumper> kudos
[15:37] <Faux> Don't worry, a hundred new major updates will arrive tomorrow and something else will break; freezes be damned.
[15:42] <skyjumper> no updates until final release, for me
[16:42] <jtaylor> my root lvm device shows up as /dev/dm-0 in wily
[16:42] <jtaylor> earlier it was always /dev/mapper/vg-lv
[16:42] <jtaylor> is this normal?
[16:42] <jtaylor> e.g. df -h /
[16:47] <TJ-> jtaylor: /dev/mapper/ entries are symlinks to the node /dev/dm-X
[16:53] <jtaylor> right, so its just the display that changed
[16:54] <jtaylor> worse imo, I liked seeing which lvm volume was mounted where with df
[17:03] <TJ-> I think you have an bugette there; I see DM names
[17:05] <TJ-> Hmmm, yeah, I see the same thing for the root-fs; everything else is correct though.
[17:09] <TJ-> jtaylor: caused by /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions::resolve_device() using readlink to resolve the $ROOT device named by root=
[17:11] <jtaylor> TJ-: ah thanks for digging for the cause :)
[17:12] <TJ-> "mount | grep ' / ' " re-translates that to confuse us, but the kernel doesn't lie: "grep ' / ' /proc/mounts"


[05:08] <lilith_> Hello!
[05:44] <er1ck> what types of devices are you using to run mate?
[17:19] <djahnama> salut
[17:19] <djahnama> des francais
[17:19] <djahnama> ????
[17:58] <renata> 1234
[17:59] <renata> 1234
[17:59] <Guest18760> 1234
[20:49] <raspberry> Hello is there a possibility to instal pipeline?
[20:49] <raspberry> Tried sudo apt-add-repository ppa:pipelight/stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pipelight-multi