[00:00] <Anthaas> the weechat.conf file wasn't created on there either, but I can edit that absolutely fine.
[00:00] <tomreyn> no idea, i never worked with it.
[00:02] <rosco_y>  Can I install Ubuntu Server in a VirtualBox Machine, setup LAMP and Serve a WordPress website, that I could access from my ubuntu Desktop?
[00:02] <Anthaas> Hmm, is there a way to see if KeePassXC runs as a different user?
[00:03] <Anthaas> If so, there is an interesting restriction with FUSE that may be causing this.
[00:03] <tomreyn> rosco_y: technically, yes.
[00:03] <Anthaas> Yeah you can
[00:03] <rosco_y> tomreyn: ty.  Practically, no?
[00:03] <Anthaas> Vagrant would make this a lot easier for you though
[00:03] <tomreyn> Anthaas: 'ps' will tell which user it runs as
[00:04] <tomreyn> rosco_y: practically also depends on your abilities. ;)
[00:04] <rosco_y> Anthaas: ty, what is Vagrant?
[00:04] <rosco_y> tomreyn: yuck.  doesn't sound great.
[00:04] <Anthaas> tomreyn: It maintains virtual machines for you
[00:04] <rosco_y> It would be time to crack the Linux Administration books?
[00:04] <tomreyn> rosco_y: it's not so hard.
[00:04] <Anthaas> Vagrant and VirtualBox is a very common web development set up
[00:05] <Anthaas> oops, that was meant for rosco_y
[00:05] <rosco_y> Anthaas: I'll look into Vagrant.  Now that you mention it, I think I've heard of that before.
[00:05] <Anthaas> There are 2 common approaches, Docker and Vagrant/VBox
[00:06] <rosco_y> so Vagrant/VBox are a little joined at the hip?
[00:06] <Anthaas> If you want to set up your own Wordpress site, I'd look at services which do this set up for you
[00:06] <Anthaas> VBox is just a common virtualisation tool that is used with Vagrant
[00:06] <Anthaas> others are available
[00:07] <rosco_y> Anthaas: are you talking about signing up with a host?
[00:07] <Anthaas> Yes, if you want a site up and running
[00:07] <rosco_y> That actually sounds like a really good idea.
[00:07] <Anthaas> If you are interested in development, steer clear from Wordpress
[00:08] <Anthaas> As I said though, if you just want a site, there are a million and one hosts that will provision a box for you to just log in and get started with writing content
[00:08] <rosco_y> Anthaas: I am interested in development, why do you recommend steering clear of WordPress?
[00:09] <Anthaas> Because it is a security minefield
[00:09] <Anthaas> And they are notorious for just ignoring security flaws
[00:09] <rosco_y> Anthaas: That's really great advice.  I could skip all the hassles of building it from the ground up.
[00:10] <rosco_y> Anthaas: and what alternative(s) would you suggest?
[00:10] <Anthaas> You want to write a blog?
[00:10] <Anthaas> What is your end goal
[00:11] <rosco_y> Anthaas: yes, I was thinking of writing a blog, while learning the cms, and then publish if I felt the need.
[00:11] <Anthaas> To what end though?
[00:11] <Anthaas> What is the purpose of this?
[00:13] <rosco_y> Anthaas: many things: I would like to learn a CMS, and I would like to learn how to pubish on the web, learn a bit more about Linux, and develop a blog.
[00:14] <Anthaas> These are all separate things
[00:14] <rosco_y> mostly I was thinking of developing a blog, without paying for the learning curve.
[00:14] <Anthaas> All achievable completely separately.
[00:15] <Anthaas> Is there a reason WHY you want any of these steps?
[00:15] <rosco_y> Yeah they are, but they can be done simultaneously as well, but I am just now realizing how naive that is--when would I actually start blogging?  After I learn Vagrant, After I get the
[00:15] <Anthaas> Do you need it for work, or what?
[00:15] <rosco_y> Lamp stack set up.
[00:16] <rosco_y> I'm disabled and trying to limp something together that amounts to anything that's more than nothing.
[00:17] <Anthaas> Ok
[00:17] <Anthaas> Well
[00:17] <Anthaas> Firstly, you need to take small steps
[00:18] <Anthaas> You need to learn one thing at a time.
[00:18] <rosco_y> Anthaas: I really do appreciate that advice--I hadn't thought of looking for hosts letting people try thing out on trial basis.
[00:18] <Anthaas> There is no use in learning very little of many things when you can learn a lot about one thing.
[00:19] <rosco_y> Wow, that is the best advice I've heard in a million years.  I wish I could internalize it.
[00:19] <Anthaas> Imagine you could say hello in English, French, German, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin.
[00:19] <Anthaas> Great
[00:19] <Anthaas> You can do a little in many areas
[00:19] <rosco_y> lol, perfect example
[00:19] <Anthaas> Imagine you could hold a conversation in French and English
[00:19] <Anthaas> Which is more useful?
[00:20] <Anthaas> Go away, do some reading. Learn about Provisioning, Development stacks, Git, Web Frameworks, CMS, Deploying, SSH, Unix Command Line
[00:20] <Anthaas> NOT AT THE SAME TIME
[00:20] <Anthaas> But they will give you a lot of areas to look at
[00:21] <rosco_y> Would you argue against learning WordPress on a commercial site (letting them worry about security?)
[00:22] <rosco_y> I've had the impression that know WordPress can lead to work.
[00:22] <Anthaas> Pfft
[00:22] <Anthaas> Very niche work.
[00:22] <Anthaas> Really, you'd be knowing PHP and integrating with Wordpress
[00:22] <Anthaas> Wordpress is crap.
[00:23] <Anthaas> We use the front end only in a couple of projects at work.
[00:23] <rosco_y> What do you recommend?
[00:23] <Anthaas> Because the backend is a fucking disaster.
[00:23] <Anthaas> I don't.
[00:23] <Anthaas> I run my own system haha
[00:23] <Anthaas> Drupal is a nightmare too
[00:23] <rosco_y> I've worked in asp before I was disabled.
[00:23] <Anthaas> I worked in ASP too, but not that ASP you worked in :P
[00:24] <rosco_y> and now I really enjoy working with .net.
[00:24] <rosco_y> I think asp.net would be doable for me, I didn't really care for asp though.
[00:24] <Anthaas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_set_programming
[00:26] <rosco_y> Woa, I am not fond of reading that code.
[00:27] <rosco_y> I've weebled my way through quite a few languages, and I can't make heads or tails of this stuff.  My guess is that the writer is using really bad variable names.
[00:27] <rosco_y> or rather, that's my hope.
[00:27] <Anthaas> Nope
[00:27] <Anthaas> That is the standard.
[00:27] <Anthaas> Its a logic programming language.
[00:28] <Anthaas> More power than Prolog, but fewer features
[00:28] <rosco_y> oooh.  I've heard of that, as it programming cuircut boards and such?
[00:28] <Anthaas> No
[00:28] <rosco_y> well, I've been wrong before...
[00:28] <Anthaas> :P
[00:28] <Anthaas> Im off now anyway, good luck!
[00:29] <rosco_y> hey!  Nice meeting you Anthaas!  Thanks!
[00:30] <Delvien> Loading up ubuntu in as a guest in a vm, using the QXL driver all I get are black areas of the screen and windows only show when moving them around. Anyone run into this>?
[00:47] <nukes> He
[00:47] <nukes> hey*
[00:48] <linux_dev-001> sup
[00:52] <rfm> Delvien, afaik the vbox guest adapter knows not of QXL (which is a QEMU thing, right?)  surprised it works at all... the only video drivers that I know of that work are the generic VESA one and the vboxvideo that is installed with Guest Additions...
[00:59] <xjkx> How do I configure monitors in gdm ? My monitors are well set correctly in Gnome, but when gdm screen comes up, they're not
[01:03] <ALowther_> It appears that the DNS servers assigned by my network router is not allowing certain domains to resolve...Where is the appropriate place to manually set global DNS servers on my machine, no matter which network I am connected to?
[01:16] <JacobTDC> Hello?
[01:17] <JacobTDC> I'm looking for support regaurding SynPS/2 problems. Can anyone here help?
[01:19] <JacobTDC> How exactly does this work?
[01:20] <kk4ewt> you keep asking and when someone has an idea what you are referring to they will answer
[01:21] <JacobTDC> XD okay then.
[01:23] <CWtheDeveloper> What's up people
[01:23] <wyseguy> CWtheDeveloper just watching the live hostage situation
[01:25] <guiverc> JacobTDC: don't ask too often; they are volunteers here who do other things, and look here on occasion and answer the questions they can. Try and avoid asking too much (see !patience), and if you don't get help at one time, you can always try at other times..  (in the mean time you can search askubuntu, or prior chat's here [everything is logged]) etc
[01:26] <texla> Ubuntu 16.04> I have a 500gb sata hdd in a 3.0 usb enclosure > When i boot the usb per bios it is recognized in gparted,parted -l, fdisk -l it list it as /dev/sda which is my internal hdd>my internal is then listed as /dev/sdb and contains all my partitions> If i shutdown disconnect the usb the partition return to the proper designation>what is happening??
[01:28] <Bashing-om> texla: The first drive seen by the system is identified as 'sda' .
[01:28] <guiverc> texla: as i understand what you've said; the sdX designations are set by your BIOS which is why they aren't a good idea in referring to drives/devices (as they can change) - why UUID is the better alternative to 'mount' etc drives & devices
[01:29] <texla> Bashing-om, Can i go ahead and use gparted and install suse to sda and it will boot which ever one I WANT TO RUN
[01:30] <guiverc> this is a Ubuntu Support room; SuSE or openSUSE are off-topic here texla
[01:30] <Bashing-om> texla: Most likely .. best ask suse about their operating system requirements.
[01:31] <texla> Bashing-om, At the moment it is booting Ubuntu when i boot the usb
[01:31] <JacobTDC> guiverc: okay, will do.
[01:33] <JacobTDC> I'm having problems with SynPS/2 devices. The keyboard (usually) doesn't work at the login screen, but works without fail in GRUB or the BIOS Setup. I know for a fact that they are both using "SynPS/2" because the output logs from xinit refer to them as that before saying "No input driver specified, ignoring this device". How do I fix this problem?
[01:33] <JacobTDC> Currently, I just have to reboot and hope everything works at next boot.
[01:33] <JacobTDC> I'm using a Dell Inspiron 2650 with Ubuntu Minimal/CLI 18.04. Yes, I know it's a dinosaur.
[01:33] <Bashing-om> texla: I do not know SusE - can not advise in this instance .
[01:33] <JacobTDC> Oops... I didn't mean to send all that... XD
[01:34] <Bashing-om> texla: maybe ask in the ##linux channel .
[01:34] <CWtheDeveloper1> Okay, not quite rocket science but I finally got pidgin working
[01:35] <texla> Bashing-om, Okay how about installing Ubuntu 18.04 to the usb enclosure
[01:36] <Bashing-om> JacobTDC: Maybbe .. look in bios and change the USB to "legacy" . For what bios pasess off to the operating system.
[01:36] <Bashing-om> yena: sure .. just have in mind how you want to boot it .
[01:37] <JacobTDC> Bashing-om: I'm pretty sure my BIOS is so old it doesn't havr Legacy settings, and the keyboard isn't usb, anyways...
[01:38] <JacobTDC> Bashing-om: yup, no legacy mode.
[01:39] <Bashing-om> JacobTDC: I too run an old PS2 mechanical keyboard .. I must set USB settings to use legacy .
[01:40] <JacobTDC> Bashing-om: How do I do that? I can't find Legacy Settings in my BIOS... :(
[01:40] <Bashing-om> JacobTDC: 2007 machine with Phonix nios .
[01:41] <Bashing-om> JacobTDC: All I can suggest is look and see what is available to change USB settings in your particular bios .
[01:44] <JacobTDC> Bashing-om: Absolutly nothing. I'm pretty sure this BIOS is from 2000... XD
[01:45] <JacobTDC> I have parrallel port settings, though...
[01:46] <JacobTDC> It is PhoenixBIOS Version A13
[01:51] <MrCorvid> Hello! So, I want to make a script that, when called runs the "screen" command, which then upon creation runs the "optirun" command (from bumblebee, for controlling nvidia GPUs) which then runs the java command to run a program under optirun within the screen.
[01:51] <MrCorvid> The issue I am having now is that when this happens, the java program crashes because it attempts to modify files that it cannot because it needs root permissions. So, I need to A) find a way to have the script give ONLY  either that optirun command OR that java command sudo privaleges (that initial script is being run with root privileges due to it being owned by the root folder, and also being accessed by systemd)
[01:52] <MrCorvid> or B) make it so that jar can access all the files it needs without root without enabling ANYONE to modify or run those files other than root and this jar
[01:54] <JacobTDC> I need to setup a laptop with SynPS/2 keyboard and mouse, but my BIOS has no legacy settings.
[01:57] <MrCorvid> JacobTDC: I would assume its either a rack management laptop probably dell, or its genuinely an old laptop
[01:57] <MrCorvid> Correct?
[02:02] <JacobTDC> MrCorvid: correct, it's a dinosaur. Sorry it took me so long to respond.
[02:03] <MrCorvid> JacobTDC if its not a recent dell rack management laptop, the only reason I could imagine it having a ps/2 port would be because its ancient, and at that time period there was no such thing as "legacy" - that only came around when windows 10 and secure boot became a thing
[02:04] <MrCorvid> JacobTDC so you should be able to install linux just fine on it like any other laptop, the only issue with installing a modern version of ubuntu is it might have gotten a bit of bloat that relies on new hardware, I wouldn't know, so if installing standard ubuntu doesn't work,
[02:04] <MrCorvid> do a headless install with the "minimal server" version, and bolt on things piece by piece till something breaks
[02:06] <MrCorvid> what exactly is your issue?
[02:06] <JacobTDC> MrCorvid: well, it's having problems with the keyboard and mouse. The keyboard (usually) doesn't work at the login screen, but works without fail in GRUB or the BIOS Setup.
[02:06] <JacobTDC> MrCorvid: it is headless
[02:07] <JacobTDC> Sorry those were out of order. I didn't notice your response until AFTER I hit return... XD
[02:14] <JacobTDC> MrCorvid, you there?
[02:25] <JacobTDC> Welp, bye.
[02:26] <JacobTDC> If you need anything, MrCorvid, msg me (I think freenode lets you do that?).
[03:25] <emma> Is Ubuntu Mate a good choice for an old laptop?
[03:25] <matsaman> emma: how old?
[03:26] <matsaman> some laptops are older than others, but any version of GNOME (MATE [GNOME 2]) is going to be heavier than many other alternatives (Xfce, etc.)
[03:29] <pantato> sooo I somehow broke my package manager when I tried to switch nvidia-390 metapackage to nvidia-340 in the ubuntu driver gui. I was having some video problems and I wanted to see if it would solve it, but now everything is messed up. Here is a paste of what I'm seeing https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WxKjMGWRyj/
[03:29] <gogeta> matsaman: kubuntu is a good choice shockingly
[03:30] <matsaman> gogeta: compared to GNOME, maybe, but then you're comparing a beastly large DE with another one
[03:30] <purplepod> old isn't necessarily a good determining factor.  A T430 with a 3rd gen i7 M-series CPU is about as powerful as a T480 with an 8th gen i7 U-series CPU
[03:30] <gogeta> matsaman: no the days of kde being heavy are history
[03:30] <purplepod> the difference is power consumption/heat/battery life
[03:30] <gogeta> matsaman: it stacks up to xfce now
[03:30] <matsaman> nonsense, do be quiet
[03:30] <emma> my auntu has this vostro 1700 DELL that was running windows XP until avast ruined it.  Now she's letting me put Linux on it for her so Im trying to find something that will be a good experience for her.
[03:31] <gogeta> matsaman: the devs stipped away the blote
[03:31] <purplepod> https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/831crw/cpu_performance_over_time_from_t420_to_t480/
[03:31] <matsaman> emma: you can configure most DEs and WMs to work like XP
[03:31] <emma> I thought maybe Ubuntu Mate but it should be pretty light probably.  Can you run a 32 bit version on any machine?
[03:31] <matsaman> gogeta: shhh
[03:31] <emma> matsaman: yeah
[03:31] <gogeta> matsaman: then dont ask for advice and enjt your overbloted mate
[03:31] <matsaman> emma: what's the processor?
[03:31] <gogeta> enjoy
[03:31] <matsaman> gogeta: I didn't, pay attention
[03:32] <emma> matsaman: how can i tell ?
[03:32] <gogeta> emma: oh it was you
[03:32] <emma> i have a xubuntu live cd in there
[03:32] <emma> is there something you can type at the command line to learn if the processor is 64 bit or 32 bit?
[03:32] <matsaman> emma: from GNU/Linux? cat /proc/cpuinfo; although you could do egrep -i ' lm ' /proc/cpuinfo to get the info I'd want, too
[03:32] <gogeta> emma: pretty mutch anything not gnome 3 is a good choice
[03:33] <matsaman> well, GNOME and GNOME 3 in particular are on purpose macOS clones by default
[03:33] <matsaman> though they _can_ be reconfigured to work more like Windows
[03:33] <matsaman> of course these days Windows emulates macOS more and more, too
[03:33] <matsaman> but you said she's used to XP, so that's no matter
[03:33] <gogeta> emma: lscpu
[03:33] <emma> gogeta: your name seems familiar to me
[03:34] <gogeta> emma: yea i think i helped you on soemthing before
[03:34] <emma> matsaman: it says intel core 2 duo cpu 2.000 GHz
[03:34] <gogeta> emma: so its 64bit
[03:34] <Bashing-om> pantato: Try ' sudo apt purge nvidia ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[03:34] <emma> how do you know if it should be 32 bit or 64 bit tho?
[03:34] <matsaman> emma: what's egrep -i ' lm ' /proc/cpuinfo say
[03:35] <gogeta> emma: anything core serise and up are
[03:35] <pantato> Bashing-om: tried the former,
[03:35] <emma> matsaman: well that shows many 3 and 4 letter acronyms
[03:36] <matsaman> emma: egrep -i ' lm ' --color=yes /proc/cpuinfo then
[03:36] <matsaman> you're looking for ' lm '
[03:36] <emma> i see it say lm in there
[03:36] <matsaman> okay, then it's definitely 64-bit
[03:36] <matsaman> which is what you may as well use
[03:36] <pantato> Bashing-om: it looks like nvidia is all removed...but the package manager is broken
[03:36] <emma> ok
[03:36] <gogeta> emma: if you do ls cpu you will see Architecture:        x86_64
[03:36] <gogeta> lscpu
[03:37] <emma> it does say x86_64
[03:37] <gogeta> emma: that means its 64bit
[03:37] <emma> well this is a 64 bit xubuntu live cd
[03:37] <matsaman> that's also a good indication =P
[03:37] <emma> is it reading the os or the hardware?
[03:37] <gogeta> emma: lol
[03:37] <matsaman> but the 'lm' is the best indication
[03:37] <emma> ok
[03:38] <pantato> Bashing-om: yeah when i run ubuntu-autoinstall I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4Dt2qBSWht/
[03:38] <matsaman> KDE might indeed be the most Windows-like out of the box; shame it blows so hard and they constantly betray their end users, just like GNOME
[03:38] <matsaman> and it's C++ centric, and the GUI toolkit is developed for-profit
[03:38] <matsaman> blah blah blah
[03:38] <gogeta> emma: bay no attetion to the clowns
[03:38] <gogeta> pay
[03:39] <matsaman> Xfce is pretty easily reconfigured to be like Windows, even though Ubuntu's default preconfiguration has it more like macOS for some reason
[03:39] <Bashing-om> pantato: Package manager days files are in residence " /var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidia-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_i386.deb " and the amd64.deb versions, Might remove them and try again .
[03:39] <gogeta> emma: xfce kde mate are all a good choice
[03:39] <gogeta> emma: unlesss you wanna go bare bones light then lxde
[03:39] <matsaman> I've got my incredibly software illiterate father on Xfce configured to work like old Windows; he's pretty happy
[03:39] <emma> oh really kde too?  I myself use kubuntu but i thought maybe kubuntu is too much for a laptop so old it was running xp
[03:39] <emma> this laptop only has 3 gb ram i think
[03:39] <matsaman> emma: old isn't what it used to be
[03:40] <gogeta> emma: kde whent lightwight recently
[03:40] <matsaman> a number of years ago computers/laptops stopped being leaps and bounds more powerful each new season, and kind of plateaued
[03:40] <gogeta> emma: its slightly heaver then xfce
[03:40] <pantato> Bashing-om: like, type rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidia-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_i386.deb ?
[03:40] <matsaman> such nonsense
[03:41] <pantato> Bashing-om: sorry, i'm kinda new
[03:42] <gogeta> matsaman: im running kde on a centrino so stop being a clown its not funny now
[03:42] <pantato> Bashing-om: should i just remove all the .debs for nvidia except the xserver one in that folder "/var/cache/apt/archives" ?
[03:42] <Bashing-om> pantato: yeah ,, and /var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidia-gl-390_390.48-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb . Or one can remove all the files in the archive directory .
[03:42] <emma> i read mate is good for someone who is looking for a 'traditional desktop metaphor' -  I thought that was an interesting phrase.
[03:42] <matsaman> centrino is a marketing term
[03:42] <gogeta> matsaman: same as a core 2
[03:42] <emma> What is the non-traditional metaphor ?
[03:42] <pantato> Bashing-om: ahh ok I'll just wipe the folder. I have really good internets
[03:42] <matsaman> emma: mate is nothing in particular more than maintained GNOME 2, which is an older version of GNOME 3, which is GNOME, which is a desktop that attempts to clone macOS
[03:42]  * matsaman shrugs
[03:43] <emma> I see
[03:43] <matsaman> there is some merit in the argument that GNOME 2 was less awful than 3, for various reasons, but
[03:43] <Bashing-om> pantato: ' sidp apt clean ' will clean them all out .
[03:43] <matsaman> it had the same goals, really
[03:43] <pantato> Bashing-om: I'm still getting the same error
[03:44] <emma> matsaman: what do you think about xfce ?
[03:44] <matsaman> emma: I would say more than anything: if you're using KDE, and you will be supporting her, you may as well put her on KDE
[03:44] <Bashing-om> pantato: sUdo apt clean **
[03:44] <matsaman> it'll make it easier to do the things for her that you want to do
[03:44] <matsaman> emma: I use Xfce, it's easily the least terrible "full" desktop environment
[03:44] <gogeta> emma: its all personal prefrence in the end.
[03:44] <emma> matsaman: sounds like a good idea to me as long as kubuntu doesn't just drag an old laptop to the ground or freezeup with only 3 gb ram
[03:44] <matsaman> shame GNOME 3's GTK+ v3 is so hard to avoid even on Xfce
[03:44] <pantato> Bashing-om: I still get the same thing. What if I remove the diversions?
[03:44] <gogeta> emma: i run on 4gb
[03:45] <matsaman> emma: nah, GNOME 3 wouldn't either
[03:45] <gogeta> emma: bone idel its using around 400mb ram
[03:45] <matsaman> emma: there was a time about ten years ago, when Xfce vs KDE/GNOME was a big, big deal
[03:45] <matsaman> but laptops have been able to handle most anything ootb for many years now
[03:45] <pantato> Bashing-om: like with dpkg-divert --package nvidia-340 --remove ?
[03:46] <matsaman> and GNU/Linux DEs aren't like Windows or macOS, constantly needing exponentially more beefy hardware to keep up
[03:46] <matsaman> they have their share of bloat and misdirection, but not like that
[03:46] <emma> that's cool
[03:46] <gogeta> matsaman: kinda the issue with mate atm alot of bloat
[03:46] <pantato> Bashing-om: what if i run that on the diversions mentioned in the errors? would that break anything?
[03:46] <matsaman> I should mention, though, that Xfce in a lot of distros comes with lots of GNOME stuff, even though it isn't technically required
[03:46] <gogeta> matsaman: when its easting 900mb of ram
[03:46] <matsaman> it's still more straightforward to configure & use, though, less macOS-y
[03:47] <matsaman> yeah GNOME devs aren't my favorite
[03:47] <Bashing-om> pantato: Ya maybe have a driver conflict " libGL.so.distrib by nvidia-340 " . pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' .
[03:47] <emma> like xubuntu?
[03:47] <gogeta> emma: xubuntu is xfce
[03:47] <matsaman> but if they're after a macOS clone, obviously using tons of resources makes sense =P
[03:47] <matsaman> Xubuntu comes with Xfce, though it's a little preconfigured to be more like GNOME/macOS _visually_ by default
[03:47] <matsaman> this is easily undone, if you like
[03:47] <emma> no my aunt is capable of learning to use her computer but I wouldn't want to make it more difficult than necessary
[03:48] <pantato> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xz2b7szQR3/
[03:48] <gogeta> emma: i gotta give points for kde then everything is point and click when it comes to making changes
[03:49] <matsaman> this would be the you-can-configure-everything-via-a-mouse-which-matters-because-someone-having-trouble-with-avast-on-windows-would-ever-even-attempt-that argument? =P
[03:49] <emma> kde is probably my own personal favorite
[03:49] <pantato> Bashing-om: I can't even watch videos at this point. So choppy
[03:49] <matsaman> you should use that, then, you'll be more familiar with tweaking it, and that'll help you support it
[03:50] <gogeta> emma: i would go with a personal favret then
[03:50] <emma> i like kubuntu pretty much but i always thought it's resource heavy since on my own laptop some times the web browser freezes.
[03:50] <gogeta> emma: as i said its all personal prefrence in the end
[03:50] <matsaman> emma: well, web browsers are terribly made, and websites even moreso
[03:50] <matsaman> what browser, out of curiosityi?
[03:50] <gogeta> emma: yea chrome is a system hog
[03:50] <matsaman> curiositeeee*
[03:51] <Bashing-om> pantato: Pastebin ' sudo apt remove --purge nvidia ' .
[03:51] <pantato> Bashing-om: I'm assuming you want an asterisk at the end of nvidia?
[03:52] <emma> matsaman: with google chrome it will some times freeze up (this is usually after ive had it running a long time and probably many tabs open) and possibly if i wait a long time it will come back to life.   Then I tried Firefox instead. With Firefox open a long time and with many tabs open it freezes slightly less often but if/when it does freeze there is no hope of it ever coming back without a reboot.
[03:52] <Bashing-om> pantato: will mke no difference here to wildcard with an asterisk .
[03:52] <matsaman> google chrome? That'll be a proprietary binary built by Google
[03:52] <matsaman> you should at the very least use chromium, built by your distro maintainers
[03:52] <matsaman> it'll surely run immensely less terribly
[03:52] <gogeta> emma: nothing will fix chrome being a pig
[03:52] <matsaman> yeah they'll always suck, but that'll reduce it
[03:53] <pantato> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZvkF52vrWF/
[03:53] <Budgii> Anyone noticed firefox has been a hog the last 3 months?
[03:53] <emma> you think chromium can run the google translate plugin?
[03:53] <gogeta> emma: yea
[03:53] <illuminated> I like gnome-shell
[03:53] <emma> i'll definitely give it a try then
[03:53] <matsaman> there should be nothing you'd want that chromium can't handle
[03:53] <gogeta> emma: its still chrome everything should work
[03:54] <illuminated> chromium is what chrome is built from
[03:54] <matsaman> yeah a bunch of devs that aren't goofs who work at google just spent ages cleaning up its absurd code and build process
[03:55] <lol-md5> qemu: pressing any key causes it to be prefixed with ^[ (aka ESC)
[03:56] <lol-md5> i can't type d or f, pressing backspace causes an entire word to be deleted, and to go up in shell history i need to press ctrl+up
[03:56] <lol-md5> i'm running qemu-system-x86_64 alpine.qcow -boot c -net nic -net user -m 256 -localtime
[03:56] <pantato> Bashing-om: stumped?
[03:56] <lol-md5> so idk if this is an ubuntu problem or alpine problem
[03:58] <matsaman> you don't want to run alpine anyway, trust me
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> how is that related to ubuntu?
[03:58] <matsaman> for that matter, I don't really know why you're using QEMU to run GNU/Linux
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> keep it ontopic guys
[03:59] <lol-md5> lotuspsychje i'm ruhnnign QEMU emulator version 2.11.1(Debian 1:2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu7.4)
[03:59] <lol-md5> that's why i thought it was relevant
[03:59] <Bashing-om> pantato: What a nvidia 390 driver install should look like : http://termbin.com/bjgl - you install is in pieces .. not at all sure how we are going to get out the mess .
[03:59] <lol-md5> ubuntu 18.04
[04:00] <pantato> Bashing-om: ok thanks for trying
[04:00] <lol-md5> so what should i do?
[04:03] <Bashing-om> pantato: Just not sure of a best means here .. but we can see if we can make the package manager happier ' sidp apt install libnvidia-gl-390 libnvidia-gl-390:i386 ' .
[04:03] <Bashing-om> sudo **
[04:04] <pantato> Bashing-om: tried that. Same result as apt --fix-broken install
[04:05] <pantato> Bashing-om: I haven't tried removing the diversions mentioned in the errors yet
[04:07] <pantato> Bashing-om: heyyy that worked
[04:07] <pantato> for FILE in $(dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia-340 | awk '{print $3}'); do dpkg-divert --remove $FILE; done
[04:07] <pantato> :)
[04:07] <pantato> BASH is neato
[04:08] <Bashing-om> pantato: can you now purge nvidia ,,, to get a clean state to re-install ?
[04:09] <matsaman> dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia-340 | awk '{ print $3 }' | parallel dpkg-divert --remove
[04:09] <matsaman> I wonder if dpkg-divert works in parallel =P
[04:09] <matsaman> I guess there's always -j 1
[04:11] <cxc99> i'm trying to search for ^docker with apt search, but it's listing stuff that starts with g..is there a different way?
[04:12] <pantato> Bashing-om: well, i rebooted, and everything is peachy now. I don't wanna mess with it any further tbh
[04:13] <pantato> Bashing-om: I'll check the output of that command you gave me earlier to see if it matches with mine
[04:13] <matsaman> cxc99: | egrep -i '^docker'
[04:13] <matsaman> there's probably a better (less hugely antique) tool you can use instead, though
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> cxc99: there is also a docker snap, snap find docker
[04:14] <Bashing-om> pantato: :)
[04:14] <pantato> Bashing-om: hmm yeah it's still fractured as heck
[04:14] <matsaman> hate me some docker =)
[04:14] <pantato> i'll try doing a clean install
[04:14] <pantato> I hope it doesn't break..
[04:15] <pantato> lol again it just says "Package 'nvidia' is not installed, so not removed
[04:16] <pantato> Bashing-om: I don't think that command does what you think it does
[04:17] <cxc99> i was just thinking the regex i was searching for was wrong... does apt-cache search not support it?
[04:18] <scientes> cxc99, aptitude does
[04:21] <illuminated> scientes:  how do you use 'aptitude' ?
[04:22] <illuminated> ahh I see you have to install it
[04:24] <scientes> illuminated, it is similar to apt-get
[04:24] <scientes> but it also has a cli gui
[04:24] <scientes> ncurses
[04:25] <scientes> there is also synaptics
[04:25] <scientes> which is gtk
[04:25] <illuminated> in the apt man page it says to search for what package contains a particular file to use apt-file
[04:25] <scientes> yes install apt-file
[04:25] <illuminated> there is no apt-file binary man page or anything
[04:25] <scientes> then run apt update
[04:26] <illuminated> ahh ok
[04:26] <illuminated> I thought it would be in the base system since it was mentioned in the man page
[04:26] <scientes> you can also use http://packages.ubuntu.com/file:/foo/bar
[04:26] <scientes> instead of installing apt-file
[04:26] <scientes> apt-file subscribes you to Contents.gz which lists every file in every package
[04:28] <illuminated> I see
[04:28] <scientes> so it makes apt update take longer
[04:28] <illuminated> so there is no core functionality like the yum provides feature
[04:28] <scientes> thats why it isn't installed by default
[04:28] <scientes> yum is insane in this regard
[04:28] <scientes> it uses a massive sqlite database
[04:28] <scientes> which has to be downloaded over and over again
[04:29] <scientes> it is absolutely crazy
[04:29] <illuminated> I guess I never really noticed it cuz my internet is fast enough that a few mb is nearly instant
[04:30]  * scientes re-wrote command-not-found https://github.com/shawnl/command-not-found
[04:30] <scientes> thats why i know this
[04:31] <matsaman> call me crazy, but I always found bash's regular command not found sufficient to realize I hadn't that command =P
[04:31] <scientes> ubuntu actually is using a python program
[04:31] <scientes> packages.ubuntu.com/command-not-found
[04:31] <scientes> oh IC
[04:32] <scientes> the problem is that the command is sometimes differn't from the package
[04:32] <scientes> like alsa-utils or x11-utils
[04:32] <scientes> it helps people using tutorials from the internet
[04:33] <illuminated> one thing that is annoying is the different package names across different distros
[04:33] <illuminated> and what is contained within the packages
[04:37] <nurul> hi guys
[04:37] <matsaman> hi
[04:37] <nurul> how are you marsaman
[04:37] <nurul> sorry Matsaman
[04:37] <nurul> :p
[04:38] <matsaman> hokay, & ye?
[04:38] <nurul> doing good
[04:38] <nurul> i am new to this
[04:38] <matsaman> coool
[04:38] <nurul> why peoples are leaving?
[04:38] <illuminated> people come and go all the time
[04:38] <matsaman> it's almost 1am EST
[04:39] <illuminated> that's normal on irc
[04:39] <illuminated> any chat really
[04:39] <nurul> hellow
[04:39] <nurul> gotcha
[04:39] <nurul> where are you from guys?
[04:41] <nurul> where have you all gone?
[04:41] <nurul> hi my
[04:41] <Budgii> hi
[04:41] <nurul> how are you budgii?
[04:41] <illuminated> nurul, I don't want to discourage you, but this is an ubuntu help channel.  It's customary to remain on-topic.  The network generally provides a 'general chat' type channel and some channels provide their own specific off-topic channels to where you can talk about anything.    He just trying to help you not get banned
[04:43] <illuminated> but if you get off-topic the channel admins can kick you out of the channel
[04:44] <nurul> ok sorry
[04:44] <nurul> i told you guys that i am new to this
[04:44] <illuminated> right.. and that's ok.  just educating you on 'the rules'
[04:44] <nurul> thnx
[04:46] <nurul> hi guys
[04:46] <nurul> why is everyone stopped talking?
[04:47] <xamithan> No one has a support issue
[04:47] <nurul> yeah youre right xamithan
[04:49] <genewitch> i wish ayufan would update to bionic
[04:50] <genewitch> i tried like 6 times to recompile the kernel myself, nothing doing. and normally i am adept.
[04:50] <matsaman> what's ayufan?
[04:53] <gogeta> xamithan: guess not
[04:53] <gogeta> xamithan: you dont get alot at this time of day
[04:58] <jayjo> is there a way to have separate background images on ubuntu 1604lts with multiple monitors?
[04:58] <jayjo> It looks like there is something called nitrogen, but it appears to hide icons from the desktops
[04:58] <matsaman> which desktop, which graphics driver?
[05:00] <jayjo> how do I find that info?
[05:00] <jayjo> I have the GK106 [GeForce GTX 660]
[05:00] <jayjo> using lshw -c video
[05:00] <pantato> Bashing-om: maybe that's an aptitude command?
[05:01] <matsaman> lspci -v | grep -i vga -B 2 -A 2 maybe
[05:01] <matsaman> lsmod | egrep -i 'nv|nouveau'
[05:01] <matsaman> ps aux | grep X
[05:01] <matsaman> the proprietary nvidia driver has a couple different ways to do multiple monitors, that's one factor
[05:01] <matsaman> your desktop is the other
[05:02] <matsaman> GNOME 3 made it harder to do what you want at some point, at least
[05:03] <jayjo> Yes all of those commands confirmed the nvidia driver. how do I look into the multiple monitor thing, then?
[05:05] <matsaman> how many lines does 'ps aux | grep X | grep -v grep' spit out?
[05:05] <ducasse> jayjo: 'feh' might be able to do it, it has several options for multiheaded setups. see the man page.
[05:06] <jayjo> two, a /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg and a cassandra entry
[05:06] <matsaman> weird
[05:06] <matsaman> and what desktop environment?
[05:07] <Skaface82> kde can do the multiple background images
[05:11] <gogeta> Skaface82: yes
[05:13] <gogeta> Skaface82: slect wallpaper type you can make it a slide show or image of the dat etc
[05:13] <gogeta> day
[05:15] <Skaface82> oh wow i didnt notice that feature... image of the day
[05:15] <pantato> Bashing-om: would you be happy if i did the command with the wildcards on each end?
[05:15] <pantato> Bashing-om: the meta package itself is called nvidia-driver-390
[05:15] <pantato> there's no "nvidia" metapackage
[05:16] <pantato> unless you're using a repo i'm not
[05:33] <_1dsfa> hola
[05:36] <_1dsfa> msg abadon_ hola
[05:38] <cry_wolf> hey!
[05:46]  * _1dsfa waves hello with robot hand
[06:04] <_1dsfa> hi
[06:04] <_1dsfa> how to mention someone on IRC chat?
[06:24] <BottomFeeder> Anyone have the Tor bundle installed properly in Ubuntu 18 and can help me install it? Not the Browser, the full Tor Bundle. Thanks
[06:30] <BottomFeeder> Help me install Tor bundle anyone ?
[06:57] <guiverc> BottomFeeder: do you mean https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/tor  ; it's in universe
[07:02] <BottomFeeder> guiverc im not sur ewhat i meaust not the tor browser on it sown., but the 'sudo service to start' packages. so i cna tos with any apps also, not just browser
[07:02] <BottomFeeder> sorry i dont understand it well
[07:03] <BottomFeeder> not esure what i mean, but not just the tor browser on its own *
[07:04] <BottomFeeder> i installed the services, but they dont seem to work properly.  on mint i got a terminal messsage saying tor services are starting when i type sudo service to start,  but on ubuntu i get no such message.  i think its not working as it should
[07:04] <Toxmi> Hi, I've btrfs partition in /dev/sdb2. It's been mounted and everything seems working. But after I had a electricity outage I now get `open_ctree failed` error on the device. On the surface it seems good. I do btrfs check and it's ok as well. is there anything I could become sure of?
[07:04] <guiverc> that package contains what I believe you want  (it doesn't include the tor-browser; it only 'recommends' the tor-browser; the most common program people use it for)
[07:05] <Toxmi> I've no clue why this erros comes up in the journal...
[07:06] <BottomFeeder> its says its best to use synaptic t oinstall.  but i dont know how
[07:06] <BottomFeeder> im installing anyway from the link you gave
[07:06] <BottomFeeder> amd 64 version i guess i want
[07:07] <BottomFeeder> and still i get no confrimation message when i sudo service tor start
[07:07] <BottomFeeder> ah.. tor just wont work proerly on ubuntu. i dont understand it as ubuntu is most populer
[07:09] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: You can try traktor to install it properly
[07:09] <BottomFeeder> sorry ie not heard that before
[07:09] <BottomFeeder> and its not in software center
[07:13] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: https://gitlab.com/tractor-team
[07:14] <BottomFeeder> thanks.  which way do i install it please
[07:14] <BottomFeeder> 'In Debian based distros, make sure that you have software-properties-common package installed an then do as following:'
[07:14] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: If you go to the traktor repo on the above link you can find the installation.
[07:14] <BottomFeeder> is that right ? or am ilooking at wrong oart.  ive no idea with this stuff
[07:15] <BottomFeeder> i did but i dont know waht thing to install
[07:15] <BottomFeeder> lots of folders there
[07:15] <Toxmi> https://gitlab.com/tractor-team/tractor
[07:15] <BottomFeeder> yes im there
[07:15] <BottomFeeder> but now waht?
[07:15] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: just follow the instruction, install that package then sudo add that ppa repo and go on...
[07:16] <BottomFeeder> 'In Debian based distros, make sure that you have software-properties-common package installed an then do as following:'
[07:16] <BottomFeeder> i dont even know how to install that package
[07:16] <BottomFeeder> no link there for it
[07:16] <Toxmi> you'll do these:
[07:16] <Toxmi> sudo apt install software-properties-common (if you have not)
[07:16] <Toxmi> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tractor-team/tractor
[07:16] <Toxmi> sudo apt update
[07:17] <Toxmi> sudo apt install tractor
[07:17] <Toxmi> then you can run traktor by command line, no other thing is required. just these
[07:17] <BottomFeeder> thanks.. trying it now
[07:18] <Toxmi> *tractor ( i spell it wrong)
[07:19] <BottomFeeder> how to run by command line?   sudo apt tractor start  ?
[07:21] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: no
[07:22] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: tractor start
[07:22] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: just issue `man tractor` and read that small man page everything is there
[07:22] <BottomFeeder> issue?
[07:22] <BottomFeeder> google ?
[07:23] <BottomFeeder> it says tractor is connected now in my terminal
[07:24] <BottomFeeder> how ot know what routing proxy has been set up?
[07:24] <BottomFeeder> will it always be <IP_ADDRESS>  sock 5 port 9050 ?
[07:27] <Frank2> hi
[07:27] <Frank2> hello
[07:27] <Frank2> !multi
[07:28] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: yeah, if you're using firefox/chrome/chromium you can install switchyomega and set <IP_ADDRESS>:9050. That way your connection will be routed through tor
[07:28] <Toxmi> SwitchyOmega is an extension*
[07:28] <BottomFeeder> and any other app, i just have to maunally type on the proxy settings and will work?
[07:28] <Frank2> anyone know multiboot here?
[07:29] <Toxmi> Yeah, the if the app have socks5 capability
[07:29] <BottomFeeder> i dont need to configure for browser, as i cna just use tor browser anyway.  thought i beleive if using tor browser, i have to use 9150 as the proxy for tor services
[07:29] <BottomFeeder> ok thanks very much for the clear help.  casuals like me have no hope with the reminal
[07:29] <BottomFeeder> terminal*
[07:30] <Frank2> it's a script to do many iso bootable
[07:30] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: you anc also send any command using 'torify' command if you have installed torsocks. I'm not currently on ubuntu but using torify or torsocks command you can easily force the command be routed through tor
[07:31] <Toxmi> for example: torify thisCommand
[07:31] <BottomFeeder> oh, i dont know how to do all that.  especialy with various apps ect
[07:31] <Toxmi> or torsocks
[07:31] <Toxmi> BottomFeeder: yeah, you should check online and get some information about this. Youtube videos might help as well
[07:31] <BottomFeeder> but some apps have proxy settings, and i cna manually change
[07:31] <BottomFeeder> true
[07:32] <BottomFeeder> i was 'using' tox over tor before, but when running sudo service to stsart'  i got no feedback from the terminal. and also when i stopped tor services, my tox was still connected
[07:32] <BottomFeeder> so im not sure it was working at all
[07:33] <BottomFeeder> i will try same with this method.. stop the service you ggave me and hopefully tox will disconnect.. proving it actually works
[07:36] <BottomFeeder> hmm spoke too soon. wont even connect to web wiht this method !
[07:39] <BottomFeeder> back to th edrawing board.  might hav eto chang emy os.. tor and ubuntu is no good
[07:39] <BottomFeeder> mint is better
[07:39] <BottomFeeder> change my os*
[07:52] <illuminated> BottomFeeder: why is ubuntu +tor no good?
[07:53] <BottomFeeder> well it wont work
[07:53] <BottomFeeder> the tor bundle
[07:53] <BottomFeeder> the browser work, but not tor services
[07:54] <BottomFeeder> so if i want t orun other apps thro to rnetworlk, cant do it
[07:54] <illuminated> you're going to have that problem on mint
[07:54] <illuminated> the problem is not with ubuntu
[07:54] <BottomFeeder> nope
[07:54] <BottomFeeder> it ran on mint
[07:55] <BottomFeeder> sudo service tor start
[07:55] <BottomFeeder> and i got feedback in terminal, confirmation
[07:55] <BottomFeeder> in ubuntu, nothing
[07:55] <illuminated> doesn't mean it's not running
[07:56] <BottomFeeder> also if i stop the to rservices, the app stays connected
[07:56] <BottomFeeder> without even a glitch
[07:56] <BottomFeeder> so i dont thin kit working properly
[07:56] <illuminated> if you want to socksify your programs on ubuntu prob should do some iptables rule that pre-routes tcp to your tor proxy port
[07:56] <BottomFeeder> and now, with this latest method i tried o installing tor proxy, my app wont connect at all
[07:57] <BottomFeeder> i dont understand all that.  all i know is the same service seemed to work better on mint
[07:57] <BottomFeeder> or tails
[07:57] <BottomFeeder> its to complicated to set up on ubuntu
[07:57] <illuminated> well ok.  at this point I'm too drunk to do any complex support so do what you want
[07:57] <BottomFeeder> lol
[07:57] <BottomFeeder> not feeling so illuminated
[07:58] <BottomFeeder> inebriated maybe
[07:58] <illuminated> def
[08:00] <illuminated> I'm not an ubuntu fanboy either.  I use centos/freebsd as well
[08:00] <illuminated> but I kinda like ubuntu
[08:00] <illuminated> I kinda like every OS I encounter
[08:00] <illuminated> each has their pros/cons
[08:00] <illuminated> but I like them all generally
[08:00] <BottomFeeder> but as for do 'wat i want' i cnat cos its to complicated.  i love how ubuntu looks, adn it seems the easiest for casuals t orun, aslong with mint.  but ubuntu looks better.  just a few issues tho. like tor.  sucks
[08:01] <BottomFeeder> have to keep using differnet distros depending on wat u want to do is a bit silly
[08:01] <illuminated> yeah...I kinda hate how each distro has their own methods of accomplishing the same thing
[08:02] <guiverc__> BottomFeeder: have you looked at any howto or blog, eg. https://linuxconfig.org/install-tor-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[08:03] <BottomFeeder> yea, but i dont know which one of those many commands i actually need t oacheive my goal of just running apps behind tor
[08:04] <BottomFeeder> as i say, a bit complex for me.  other os's have simpler solutions
[08:05] <guiverc> BottomFeeder: many of the easy solutions actually leak data; if you need privacy you really need to learn to use it (otherwise you'll be leaking... & it's a false sense of security)
[08:05] <illuminated> like using iptables to route all tcp traffic over tor rather
[08:05] <illuminated> -rather
[08:06] <BottomFeeder> but im kind dislexic lokinga tstuff liek that. o dont even know wat i need t odo or look at , or what answers they ar eoffering
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> execute control port, torify yourshell etc
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> dunno if i have to do those or skip em
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> no idea
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> i  should just use tails
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> its all built in security
[08:07] <BottomFeeder> the other linux stuff is too complex for casuals really
[08:08] <BottomFeeder> problem is. tails is hard to use in many other ways lol
[08:08] <BottomFeeder> tor on windows then  :/
[08:09] <BottomFeeder> well, that tractor downst work
[08:09] <BottomFeeder> my tox refuses to connect
[08:10] <BottomFeeder> so i guess i have t oremove tractor before messing around with any other tor stuff
[08:10] <BottomFeeder> dont know how t odo that either :D
[08:12] <illuminated> don't listen to me tho...i'm a dumbfuk
[08:13] <BottomFeeder> u know more than me
[08:13] <BottomFeeder> so i guess  that makes me braindead
[08:13] <BottomFeeder> the nagain, despite wha tfanboys say.. you do need to be pretty adept at comouters to use linux properly
[08:14] <BottomFeeder> 'my granny uses it' lol.. yea ok
[08:14] <BottomFeeder> uses it as a nightlight only maybe
[08:14] <illuminated> yeah linux has a definite learning curve for sure
[08:15] <BottomFeeder> dont say that too loud.. many linux users dont like the truth :/
[08:16] <illuminated> I got my linux+ like 15 years ago and abondoned it for freebsd.  recently I got interested in linux again.  holy crap.  lots to learn.
[08:17] <BottomFeeder> yea..  'oh its not harder than windows, just different '  well windows took me this long to get the basics
[08:17] <BottomFeeder> so that aint right either
[08:17] <BottomFeeder> never took me this long *
[08:17] <ducasse> this is getting pretty offtopic, could we move the chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic, please, and leave this channel for support issues?
[08:17] <BottomFeeder> make my tor work please lol
[08:17] <BottomFeeder> theres on topic
[08:43] <calcmandan> is it possible to update ubuntu server 15.04 to 18.04?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: non-lts server is not a great idea in the first place, and its long eol now
[08:44] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | calcmandan
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: alot of security flaws has come out since then...would you still trust it?
[08:45] <ducasse> calcmandan: i'd probably just do a reinstall, though
[09:06] <calcmandan> mhm
[09:06] <calcmandan> i'm considering a rebuild.
[09:07] <calcmandan> thanks yall for the advice.
[09:07] <calcmandan> i'll do a  backup before anything.
[09:07] <calcmandan> got my media server on here.
[09:07] <calcmandan> on it
[09:14] <calcmandan> okay. say I do an end-of-life update from 15.04 to 18.04, you're saying there will be built-in vulnerabilities related to 15.04 still?
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> !usn | calcmandan check here
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: it 'could' not saying it is...
[09:15] <calcmandan> yeah it's a tough choice. i made a supid mistake building a server on a non-lts.
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: was your 15.04 server 24/7? or did you just turned it on?
[09:16] <calcmandan> i've been taking care of my pops and have let the server sit running without maintenance. now i'm playing catchup
[09:16] <calcmandan> it's still up and running
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: then if i was you, i surely would advice full wipe, clean install
[09:16] <calcmandan> it's got an old v9 owncloud and ampache running on it
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> too risky mate
[09:17] <calcmandan> the servers aren't avialable to the outside. i have a smoothwall box and i've disabled outside access.
[09:17] <calcmandan> so it's at least not accessible
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: you sure, nothing can target it, from network neither?
[09:18] <calcmandan> i don't  have anything in the zone plugged in.
[09:18] <calcmandan> it's alone in its own zone.
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> ok then
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> if its locked from the web, your good to go
[09:18] <calcmandan> and my smoothwall is fully updated.
[09:18] <calcmandan> well, i just want it to be accessible again  because i was streaming my music from the box..
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: but you say apache is on it? means outside going?
[09:19] <calcmandan> maybe, what i can do, is plug in a fresh harddrive and install fresh.
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> why take the risk on a 24/7 server..
[09:19] <calcmandan> and then transfer the data over afterwards.
[09:19] <calcmandan> then use the old drive for backup.
[09:20] <calcmandan> the media server alone has 3tb of mp3's.
[09:21] <calcmandan> and then i can backup the database to preserve the content.
[09:22] <calcmandan> maybe i'll do an entire transition plan before i do anything
[09:26] <calcmandan> i could royally kick my own arse for building a server on a non-lts. what was i thinking.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: if you clean install 18.04 you got 5y support...
[09:26] <calcmandan> yeah.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: worth the trick yeah?
[09:26] <calcmandan> i have it on all my laptops and workstations.
[09:27] <calcmandan> yeah i'm going to do a test run on a vm first.
[09:27] <calcmandan> i can't seem to figure out how to get ampache running. i'm going to test run on the vm.
[09:28] <calcmandan> i'll have some fun.
[09:30] <calcmandan> lotuspsychje: thanks for the advice.
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: welcome
[09:30] <calcmandan> ducasse: and thanks to you too
[09:31] <calcmandan> i've been on ubuntu os's since 5
[09:31] <calcmandan> kubuntu on laptop/workstation
[09:31] <calcmandan> ubuntu on servers
[09:31] <calcmandan> but they were really for play and nothing for actual daily use
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> calcmandan: use the #ubuntu-discuss channel for ubuntu chitchat :p
[09:32] <calcmandan> ok later
[09:34] <sacarde> hi
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> sacarde: welcome to ubuntu support, what can we do for you?
[09:34] <sacarde> I have a network problem
[09:35] <sacarde> in ubuntuserver1804, I have change ip address from dhcp to static
[09:35] <sacarde> in .../interfaces now I have only ip static
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> sacarde: best talk to the #ubuntu-server experts mate
[09:36] <sacarde> ah ok
[09:36] <sacarde> thanks
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> sacarde: no problem
[10:55] <callMe_Dude> hey , how do I back up my current Ubuntu into a image file. I am upgrading to an ssd. I can't clone drive because I don't have a USB to SATA adapter right now with me
[10:56] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: can you have two drives connected to the SATA bus at the same time, though?
[10:57] <tomreyn> is it a laptop? then you can, or not easily.
[10:57] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn: no
[10:57] <tomreyn> *can't
[10:57] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn: yes it is a laptop
[10:57] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: okay, what other storages do you have available? since you will need to somehow move the data from one drive to the other
[10:58] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn : i have an external Harddrive with me
[10:59] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: and there's sufficnet space leaft on it?
[10:59] <tomreyn> *sufficient
[10:59] <callMe_Dude> yes , more than enough space
[10:59] <tomreyn> can you boot off the external hard drive?
[11:00] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn : no
[11:01] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn: may be I should use clonezilla
[11:02] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: to image your current internal hard drive, you will need to boot off another drive. this can be the external storage, the replacement storage (ssd) or optical media (DVD, cd-rom) or a usb stick.
[11:02] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn: i have another bootable USB
[11:03] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: if you don't have to image, you can also just create a file archive, then you can do it from the running system.
[11:04] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: okay, if you have another bootable usb, then you can boot off that and do the imaging, storing the images to the large capacity usb drive.
[11:04] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: clonezilla is a good approach if you'll do imaging.
[11:05] <callMe_Dude> tomreyn: okay.
[11:05] <callMe_Dude> thanks
[11:09] <tomreyn> callMe_Dude: if this laptop is capable of uefi booting but so far you were bios booting (maybe also with an MBR-based / msdos partition table), you may want to use this opportunity to change to uefi (and a gpt partiton table).
[11:29] <brunch875> Uh oh, I accidentally closed my terminal while doing apt upgrade through ssh
[11:30] <brunch875> when I reconnected, apt reported everything to be up to date
[11:30] <brunch875> ... I take it to be fine then?
[11:34] <tomreyn> brunch875: changes are you still have the apt or dpkg process running. ps ef | grep -E '(apt|dpkg)'
[11:34] <tomreyn> *chanCes
[11:34] <blackflow> !info debsums | brunch875 also:
[11:35] <tomreyn> brunch875: there are also logs in /var/log/apt/term.log
[11:39] <brunch875> tomreyn: thanks! No processes are running and there are no locks. Apt seems to have finished on its own
[11:40] <tomreyn> brunch875: entirely possible. be sure to run it in a screen multiplexer next time.
[11:43] <oerheks> last check: see if the file /var/run/reboot-required exists or not.
[11:43] <brunch875> heh, worst that could happen would be server breaking up
[11:43] <brunch875> reinstall and done
[11:43] <brunch875> it doesn't exist
[11:44] <oerheks> then you are fine :-)
[12:00] <Ajven> Hello, got strange problem with fresh installation of ubuntu, cannot reach ssh connection. Firewall and SELINUX are disable, config is setup properly and when Im trying to connect it says connection refused, any idea where can be issue ?
[12:02] <tomreyn> Ajven: did you install an openssh server?
[12:02] <tomreyn> discuss the ubuntu version and variant you installed, provide the name of the iso file you used to install
[12:04] <Ajven> tomreyn: yes openssh server is installed
[12:04] <Ajven> Its fresh installation of newest ubuntu
[12:05] <tomreyn> Ajven: the newest ubuntu is ubuntu carmic, which is not yet released.
[12:05] <Ajven> Ubuntu-18.094-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:05] <Ajven> it isnt obvious that i got the last released in official download?
[12:06] <blackflow> Ajven: selinux on ubuntu?
[12:06] <Ajven> blackflow: yes, but for now its disable
[12:06] <tomreyn> not obvious, no. there are several other options, desktop, two different servers, different architectures.
[12:07] <blackflow> Ajven: you've set up SELinux yourself? It's not default... definitely not on a fresh new installation.
[12:07] <Ajven> blackflow: for now I just installed it, in future will be configured for now its just off
[12:09] <tomreyn> Ajven: can you ssh, from this computer you installed on, to it's public / LAN ip address?
[12:09] <debouncer> Why gcc version in ubuntu systems is ancient?
[12:09] <Ajven> tomreyn: its LAN ip address, cannot ssh there thats the problem
[12:10] <tomreyn> Ajven: also not from the system itself?
[12:10] <Ajven> tomreyn: THis is my home server I installed it and want to now connect
[12:10] <blackflow> !latest | debouncer
[12:10] <tomreyn> Ajven: you installed it using the desktop installer, though?
[12:10] <Ajven> tomreyn: ssh: connect to host localhost port 65222: Connection refused - from that computer
[12:11] <blackflow> debouncer: also, gcc version doesn't change in the lifetime of a release.
[12:11] <blackflow> Ajven:   sudo ss -4lnp | grep ssh    please
[12:11] <tomreyn> Ajven: port 65222 is not the default ssh port. selinux is not configured by default. what other customizations have you made which may affect whether you can connect to your ssh server?
[12:12] <blackflow> I wonder if selinux would even work on Ubuntu, given it's designed around AppArmor, and those LSMs are not stackable. It'd require a lot of modification....
[12:12] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable ssh # if it is not enabled already
[12:12] <Ajven> tomreyn: i said in my frist message here that i configured ssh and disable sexlinux and firewall, please dont ask me same thing few times
[12:13] <Ajven> blackflow: no output
[12:13] <blackflow> Ajven: so sshd is not running at all?
[12:13] <blackflow> systemctl status ssh.service ?
[12:13] <Ajven> blackflow ssh is running as service
[12:13] <oerheks> disbling  selinux story is a hoax, Ajven, what did you do exactly?
[12:13] <blackflow> are you sure? not according to that ss, there's no ssh-anything listening
[12:13] <tomreyn> Ajven: you said nothing about how or whether you configured ssh(d) in your first message, no
[12:13] <Ajven> blackflow: yea i checked now - Active: active (running)
[12:13] <blackflow> oerheks: kinda my suspicion too
[12:14] <oerheks> you are not running ubuntu at all then
[12:14] <blackflow> Ajven: can you pastebin please  journalctl -u ssh.service -n 30
[12:14] <Ajven> blackflow; ok, moment
[12:16] <r33d_> hello
[12:17] <r33d_> is there someone to help here to register on freenode
[12:17] <EriC^> r33d_: /nickserv register <password> <email>
[12:17] <tomreyn> !register | r33d_
[12:18] <r33d_> ive done when using the command from my email doest work
[12:18] <tomreyn> "For any further help, ask in #freenode."
[12:25] <Anzuki_Beans> i downloaded richochet from here  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ricochet/0.7
[12:25] <Anzuki_Beans> but how to install it please?.  no .exe fil
[12:26]  * blackflow facepalms
[12:26] <Fuchs> Anzuki_Beans: in ubuntu you do not download and install programms manually
[12:27] <Anzuki_Beans> thats ok, but how do i do it
[12:27] <Fuchs> Anzuki_Beans: you can install it via the package management, either on a terminal with    sudo apt install programname     or with one of the graphical frontends
[12:27] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: you install it from the Ubuntu software, or run the `apt` command from terminal. eg   apt install ricochet           (with sudo)
[12:27] <blackflow> (Ubuntu Software gui application)
[12:27] <guiverc> Anzuki_Beans: I see the word source in the url (I'm not looking), source generally means it's source code, which you compile before you run. It usually comes with instructions (a README text file etc) that you follow...
[12:27] <Anzuki_Beans> sudo apt instal richochet?
[12:28] <Anzuki_Beans> i dont understand the readme
[12:28] <Anzuki_Beans> they tal kabout things i dont understand
[12:28] <Anzuki_Beans> cant evne find the path to the folder using terminal
[12:29] <oerheks> if you downloaded the source from that url, you will need to build it too, just follow the hints from Fuchs
[12:29] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: you don't install software by downloading files and running them or something. technically you can, but that's highly advanced and you know what you're doing.  on linux systems you use package manager, like apt
[12:29] <Anzuki_Beans> i cant
[12:29] <oerheks> oh sure you can
[12:29] <Anzuki_Beans> but its not in package manager
[12:29] <Anzuki_Beans> no, i cant. i dont understand the language
[12:29] <blackflow> !info ricochet
[12:29] <Fuchs> it very much is
[12:29] <blackflow> so   apt install ricochet   should work
[12:29] <Fuchs> if you open a terminal and type   sudo apt install ricochet    it will install it
[12:29] <Anzuki_Beans> sudo apt instal rocichet ?
[12:29] <Fuchs> yes
[12:30] <Fuchs> in a terminal
[12:30] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: without any typos of course.
[12:31] <guiverc> Anzuki_Beans: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=ricochet shows me ricochet is available for bionic & cosmic (18.04) in universe; if running 18.04 (and you've enabled universe) it should `sudo apt install`
[12:31] <guiverc> (ignore my last - info provided already by blackflow)
[12:32] <Anzuki_Beans> is rocochet the same as tor rochichet?
[12:32] <Anzuki_Beans> roci  and richo
[12:32] <Anzuki_Beans> rico*
[12:32] <Anzuki_Beans> think this is not what i need
[12:33] <Fuchs> oh, you want the secure messenger?
[12:33] <Anzuki_Beans> yea
[12:33] <Anzuki_Beans> this is some robot thing
[12:33] <ioria> !info ricochet-im
[12:33] <ioria> Anzuki_Beans, ^^
[12:33] <Anzuki_Beans> how do i stop it?  the window wont close
[12:33] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: apt search --names-only     is your friend
[12:34] <Anzuki_Beans> i dontr under stand apt search
[12:34] <Anzuki_Beans> so its not my friend yet
[12:34] <Anzuki_Beans> iu need to know what ot type
[12:34] <ioria> Anzuki_Beans,   sudo apt install !info ricochet-im
[12:34] <ioria> Anzuki_Beans,   sudo apt install  ricochet-im
[12:35] <blackflow> now you've confused them to hell and back.
[12:35] <ioria> damn copy paste
[12:35] <Anzuki_Beans> thanks, that seems to work.  the only langauge i understand,. press an exe or copy and paste
[12:36] <Anzuki_Beans> how to close and uninstal robot ricochet?
[12:36] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: if you state "I don't understand"   without even trying, then yeah, you never will.    apt search   searches for packages.    apt search --names-only  <somename>   will look through package names only and not, say, description too (and is a more precise search).     `man apt` is the manpage that explains all the commands and options of `apt`
[12:37] <Fuchs> Anzuki_Beans: sudo apt uninstall ricochet
[12:37] <Anzuki_Beans> i dont want to learn al lthe terminal if i can avoid it. jus twant to use an os
[12:37] <Anzuki_Beans> thanks
[12:37] <Anzuki_Beans> i dont know what that robot thing was
[12:37] <blackflow> GUI is not omnipotent. you can't indefinitely avoid the command line. the sooner you start getting used to it, the better.
[12:38] <Anzuki_Beans> i just ask on her ewhen im stuck, its ok
[12:38] <Anzuki_Beans> peopel told me i wont really need to learn terminal
[12:38] <Fuchs> Anzuki_Beans: you might want to familiarize yourself with some ubuntu basics, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/package-management.html.en  is something you could read through :)
[12:38] <Anzuki_Beans> otherwise i wouldnt have installed linux in first place
[12:38] <hiya> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6WHNHmQF5/ <-- dmesg on my server, do you see any errors? It has VPN server running which randomly freezes when I upgraded to 18.04 from 16.04, I moved the kernel to 0-23 and it fixed it but it is freezing at times
[12:38] <Anzuki_Beans> this is advanced enough for me already  ;)
[12:39] <ioria> Anzuki_Beans,  take your time
[12:39] <Anzuki_Beans> sudo apt uninstall ricochet
[12:39] <Anzuki_Beans> E: Invalid operation uninstall
[12:39] <Anzuki_Beans> maybe cos the app is still open
[12:39] <Anzuki_Beans> wont close
[12:39] <YADW> Anzuki_Beans Yes, sure, you can do that. Ubuntu is great because it's got lots of graphical frontends that let you do almost anything. When you are forced to use the terminal you will have someone to explain you stuff almost everytime. But it would be convenient if you learned just the very basics, it's not hard and it can be fun.
[12:40] <Anzuki_Beans> itshard for me and it isnt fun.  im just a casual pc user
[12:40] <blackflow> Anzuki_Beans: just don't kid yourself that you can avoid it forever. You can't. GUI applications can't do everything. And learning how to use commands in the terminal, at least some basic ones, especially package management, does not really rquire a CS degree.
[12:40] <Anzuki_Beans> yea, then ask for help in places like this
[12:40] <Anzuki_Beans> then hopefully dont have to touch terminal for a fe wmonths
[12:41] <Anzuki_Beans> that swhat i was told after all.   othertwise i woudlnthave installed  ;)
[12:41] <ioria> Anzuki_Beans,  you use  :  'sudo apt remove pkg' not  uninstall
[12:41] <blackflow> you weren't told complete truth.
[12:41] <Anzuki_Beans> figures
[12:41] <oerheks> tip: install synaptic, a much more detailed softwarecenter-gui
[12:41] <Anzuki_Beans> remove wat pkg tho?
[12:41] <oerheks> !info synaptic
[12:41] <Anzuki_Beans> it wont know wat pkg im talking about
[12:42] <YADW> Anzuki_Beans copypaste this into your terminal: sudo apt-get remove --purge ricochet
[12:42] <blackflow> see that's bad advice.   copy pasting in terminal stuff you don't udnerstand what it does.
[12:42] <Anzuki_Beans> i like it
[12:42] <Anzuki_Beans> i dont want to learn terminal really ;)
[12:42] <hiya> Error before it freezes: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1034742
[12:42] <skndn> synaptic is the best package manager, albeit slightly bugged
[12:42] <blackflow> not understanding it and turning to others for help, soooner or later you'll come across a rm-rf troll and then it's back to windows time.
[12:43] <Anzuki_Beans> its not my idea of fun
[12:43] <Anzuki_Beans> thats ok.. its better option than learning terminal
[12:44] <YADW> blackflow it doesn't take a PhD in psychology to understand I'm helping him. Besides, I do that without frightening him about how much he must use the terminal, that is just not true.
[12:44] <ioria> 'The Equalizer 2 2018' HD
[12:44] <ioria> sy
[12:44] <Anzuki_Beans> i prefe redward woodward equalizer
[12:45] <YADW> Seriously though, only follow that kind of advice ONLY when in support channels like this, so you won't find trolls.
[12:45] <blackflow> YADW: like I said. the GUI is not omnipotent. the sooner one starts getting used to basic terminal stuff, the better. also copypasting stuff from random ppl in IRC, without understanding what that does, is BAD. regardless how much YOU are willing to help, someone else won't be.
[12:45] <Anzuki_Beans> yea.. or online searches, im told to dearch online in her eanyway
[12:45] <Anzuki_Beans> so wat can i do
[12:46] <Anzuki_Beans> i jus twant an easy t oyuse os.  im not a hobbyist and i simply do not want to learn terminal
[12:46] <skndn> Anzuki_Beans: buy a mac then
[12:46] <Anzuki_Beans> cant afford one
[12:46] <Anzuki_Beans> crooks apple
[12:46] <blackflow> why a mac. windows is perfectly fine these days.
[12:47] <Anzuki_Beans> ive got windows on my bi gcomputer
[12:47] <Anzuki_Beans> for games
[12:47] <Anzuki_Beans> more powerful pc, and windows has more games
[12:47] <blackflow> yeah.
[12:47] <oerheks> but windows lacks a good flightsimulator, lets get back to linux support
[12:48] <YADW> Anzuki_Beans Ubuntu is a nice os, and it's designed to let you do EVERYTHING a basic user needs without going to the terminal. You won't be able to do advanced things, but would you need them?
[12:48] <Anzuki_Beans> i lkike ubuntu when it works.. biut ive had t ospend a look time troubleshooting, asking for help
[12:48] <blackflow> YADW: until the next upgrade borkage.
[12:48] <Anzuki_Beans> but i do know, its maybe the best looking os ive ever used.. feels good
[12:49] <Anzuki_Beans> just cannot stand this terminal and searching fro dependeinces stuff.  it sfor hobbyists only
[12:49] <YADW> Install/update packages? There's the software center. Manage partitions? Use the gnome drives utility.
[12:49] <skndn> software center is unusable
[12:49] <blackflow> indeed it's unusable.
[12:49] <YADW> Go Synaptic then
[12:49] <Anzuki_Beans> synaptic confusing
[12:49] <skndn> indeed
[12:50] <Anzuki_Beans> tar file mor econfusing
[12:50] <oerheks> ..
[12:50] <skndn> why do you feel synaptic is confusing?
[12:50] <YADW> Tar files are something you'd better not look at haha. Those are quite advanced stuff.
[12:50] <oerheks> guys, please don't start a flamewar, use the software you like
[12:51] <hethkar> any recommended ways to automate installing multiple ubuntu VMs from iso's in KVM(installed on top of ubuntu) ?
[12:52] <tomreyn> hiya: install the latest firmware first of all https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/drivers/driversdetails?driverId=69VFP < yours is BIOS 2.2.3 10/25/2012
[12:53] <hiya> tomreyn, is that related?
[12:54] <blackflow> hethkar: there's several ways, depending on what exactly you want to achieve and at what scale
[12:54] <tomreyn> hiya: maybe, i don't know. this firmware update contains counter measures against meltdown and spectre, so you should have it anyways.
[12:55] <hiya> tomreyn, i downgraded the kernel to 0-23
[12:55] <hiya> would that be an issue?
[12:56] <hethkar> blackflow: max 5- 10 vms is the scale, purpose is to practice stuff, want to install and delete them quickly whenever needed (dont want to do it manually every time), want to make use of ansible
[12:56] <tomreyn> hiya: possibly. you should not normally downgrade a kernel, rather use a newer one if something is broken.
[12:56] <hiya> ok upgraded
[12:56] <hiya> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6WHNHmQF5/
[12:57] <tomreyn> hiya: that's the same old bios version
[12:57] <blackflow> hethkar: well one way, that I have zero experience with, is using installer preseed. Another, which I'd do, is preparing a base VM and then just clone it around, use ansible or whatever for minute post-cloning configs.
[12:57] <hiya> tomreyn, oops sorry, shared wrong, now should i get back to default kernel?
[12:58] <blackflow> hethkar: anotehr (which I have) is having a "rescue" VM and whole VM setup in such a way that you debootstrap installations from that rescue env.
[12:58] <tomreyn> hiya: dpends on what you are trying to do, and why you didnt run the defrault kernel version initially.
[12:58] <hethkar> blackflow: i see
[12:59] <blackflow> yeah I use the debootstrap method as it works both for where I have access to the hypervisor, and when I don't (and thus can't clone a VM disk image)
[12:59] <hethkar> blackflow: so when you clone it , they will have same username for ssh ? and different ips ?
[12:59] <blackflow> it's scriptable, with ansible or whatever.
[12:59] <hiya> tomreyn, we did, but VPN didn't work well and it showed some micro-code errors i shared yesterday, you said upgrade isn't possible unless we have 18.04.1, so i downgrade to the kernel it was actually working with before but it tends to freeze
[13:00] <blackflow> hethkar: when you clone it, it's exactly the same as the base VM you cloned it from, so you set it up in a way where networking will work automatically. Note: it's cloning disk images, not hypervisor configs, so the NICs have own MACs.
[13:00] <hethkar> blackflow: ah okay
[13:01] <tomreyn> hiya: i don't rmeember me saying "upgrade isn't possible unless we have 18.04.1", upgrade of what exactly? the kernel image? there are newer kernel images available in -proposed
[13:02] <hiya> tomreyn, you said upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 isn't good as oof now?
[13:02] <tomreyn> hiya: i see, that's correct, there is no supported upgrade path from ubuntu 16.04 LTS to ubuntu 18.04 LTS, yet
[13:02] <oerheks> hiya, but you are on 18.04 now, aren't you?
[13:03] <hiya> tomreyn, ok
[13:03] <hiya> oerheks, yes sir
[13:03] <tomreyn> then how is this releavant?
[13:03] <hiya> I don't know, I am just sharing information
[13:03] <hiya> Bios upgrade is taking time :(
[13:03] <tomreyn> you want it to work, dont you?
[13:05] <hiya> Jul 21 18:01:42 VPN-DE1 kernel: [ 0.000000] microcode: microcode updated early to revision 0x24, date = 2018-01-21
[13:05] <hiya> tomreyn, ^ this microcode error I got earlier
[13:05] <tomreyn> hiya: thats not an error
[13:05] <hiya> ok
[13:06] <tomreyn> noit even a warning, it's purely informational.
[13:06] <hiya> tomreyn, What is the best option for Ubuntu laptop?
[13:06] <hiya> I want to buy one
[13:06] <YADW> Anyway, I was here to ask  for  suggestions. I'm having a couple of issues with kernel 4.15.0-29 (which seems to be the latest?) on Ubuntu 16.04.1 desktop x86. It's just incredibly slow to boot (systemd-analyze returns a shocking 4 minutes and something boot time!) and displays some [drm: drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] errors. Last kernel to boot decently is 0-13.
[13:07] <Anzuki_Beans> now that i have my os set up pretty much.. id hate to go thru all that again.  i want to clone my disc.  i manage to clone my usb before.. using acronis on windows.. it worked fine apart from slow boot time on the copied disk.   maybe cos the disks were a different size.  its better to have exact same size disk when cloning?
[13:07] <tomreyn> hiya: i'm not great in suggesting hardware to buy, and this is not an ubuntu support question. you could ask in #ubuntu-offtopic, though.
[13:08] <hiya> Ok
[13:08] <hiya> tomreyn, Hardware to buy to run Ubuntu is off-topic in Main channel?
[13:08] <hiya> I am so sorry, I didn't know
[13:09] <YADW> Anzuki_beans if you and the terminal were good friends, you could use dd, but I don't think you'd enjoy that. I'll check if there's a graphical way to do that.
[13:10] <tomreyn> hiya: i'd say so. ubuntu is an OS, so software. i can point you to system requirements, but discussing specific hardware choices is a bit off topic
[13:11] <hiya> ok
[13:11] <skndn> gnome disks should be able to make and restore the partition images
[13:12] <YADW> skndn Yep, you can backup a partition as an .img file and then restore  it.
[13:14] <tomreyn> YADW: might be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1779827
[13:16] <YADW> tomreyn Although it's most likely somewhat related, it doesn't look the same... I can actually boot into the OS, it just takes an eternity. I'll stick to boot with 0-13 then.
[13:17] <tomreyn> YADW: can you show the systemd-analyze blame  / critical-chain  outputs?
[13:23] <YADW> tomreyn https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ncqTKZ3F3X/
[13:25] <oerheks> YADW, what is on sda5?
[13:26] <YADW> oerheks it's the root partition
[13:27] <oerheks> is it closed dirty? does it contain filesystem errors? fsck.ext4  /dev/sda5
[13:27] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[13:29] <blackflow> YADW: glad you agree that being familiar with terminal basics is very beneficial in the world of Linux.
[13:29] <YADW> Nah, I guess it's clean. I run a fsck from time to time, obviously in recovery mode, since I  can't unmount it while the computer is on haha
[13:31] <oerheks> long time no see, easyOnMe
[13:31] <easyOnMe> yeah
[13:32] <easyOnMe> hope you guys are having a good time here
[13:32] <easyOnMe> :)
[13:32] <YADW> blackflow The point is, I am myself quite the hobbyist, so I enjoy spending tons of my time playing around with the CLI, understanding how gnu/linux systems work, etc. but you can't deny there are other tech-not-so-savy people out there that get a heart attack when they hear the word "terminal".
[13:32] <oerheks> now we have, thanks!
[13:32] <blackflow> YADW: sure, but all I mean is "getting familiar around terminal", not becoming a unix pipe guru ;)
[13:32] <blackflow> less stressful when failures that require cli, and they are guaranteed to happen, occur and one seeks help.
[13:36] <YADW> I wish everyone was open-minded enough to understand that it's not difficult at all, and it just takes the effort of trying, but I've come to accept the sad truth that those people just won't even try. Yet they can absolutely enjoy Ubuntu, they can surf the web, install software, write documents, watch netflix... they don't need to configure an SSH server or build drivers from source.
[13:37] <help_me> Guys, I am trying to back up my ubuntu. What should I choose savedisk or saveparts???? I am backing up to upgrade to a new ssd
[13:37] <help_me> Guys, I am trying to back up my ubuntu. What should I choose savedisk or saveparts???? I am backing up to upgrade to a new ssd
[13:37] <blackflow> YADW: yah, until the next upgrade breakage which is I'd say somewhat regular in Ubuntu. At least once or twice a year, even if on LTS.
[13:38] <blackflow> setup once and never touch the admin parts of the system? sure, works just like that until the hardware fails.
[13:38] <YADW> I must be very lucky, I don't think it ever occurred to me. Do you mean upgrade as in release upgrade?
[13:39] <blackflow> YADW: not just release upgrade. kernels sometime fail. GPU drivers are often misbehaving. gnome is a bug fiesta in itself, etc...
[13:40] <blackflow> YADW: just an example, the recent minor-minor-minor version bump in kernel causing boot failures to a lot of people, due to that crng update in the code.
[13:41] <YADW> Sure, but consider that, too... in my school they used to have this old pc with an LTS release of lubuntu, they set it up with a non-sudoer account and the guy who knew the root password never touched the computer again. No updates, nothing at all. It worked, for all it had to do.
[13:42] <blackflow> and that's very bad, even though superficially it looks like computing nirvana.
[13:42] <YADW> It's an awful way to administrate a system, but it worked.
[13:43] <zeljo> hi
[13:43] <zeljo> i have a question
[13:43] <blackflow> point is, people are afraid of the terminal, won't even _try_ to understand the basics of basics, enjoy it for a couple of weeks or months until the next minor kernel bump borks their system, and then it's "ubuntu suxxxx!!!!1one" and "I'm going back to Windows" time.  Still updating my 16.04 from November 2016 and system is stable
[13:44] <blackflow> CookieM: and one doesn't have to be cli-wizard. just familiar with teh terminal so they know how to check what commands given to them by random people on IRC, would do.
[13:44] <YADW> Pity he quit. I had one better... why not?
[13:44] <blackflow> just familiar *enough
[13:46] <YADW> Anyway, blackflow, you are right, and it absolutely sucks when people behave like that, but the best way to keep them inside the linux community is to make them feel comfortable no matter what. Let them avoid the terminal as much as they can, eventually they'll start to use it on their own. Curiosity is a natural human trait, this is what I hope.
[13:49] <YADW> And finally, for hell's sake, when I tell them "type sudo apt-get remove --purge ricochet" when they ask "how do I uninstall?" it's not any different than when people tell them "type sudo apt install" when they ask how to install. I'd never tell them to do something that could damage their system. Period.
[13:50] <blackflow> YADW: you wouldn't. but that troll from earlier would. ;)
[13:51] <blackflow> there was one two days ago, even had an obfuscaed one with echo and eval
[13:51] <YADW> Now, that's plain eval. I mean, evil.
[13:51] <blackflow> =)
[13:51] <FreeBDSM> hello, what's the right approach to work with nvidia GPU?
[13:52] <FreeBDSM> I have just installed XUbuntu and `dpkg -l | grep nvidia` returns nothing
[13:53] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: do you have the 'restricted' repo enabled?
[13:53] <HaMsTeRs> Hey guys
[13:53] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: probably. How to check?
[13:54] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: I did `less /etc/apt/sources.list` and I do see `restricted` there
[13:54] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: grep -ri restrict /etc/apt/sources*
[13:55] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: what about  apt search --names-only nvidia ?   which ubuntu is this btw?
[13:55] <FreeBDSM> latest LTS, 18.04 BB
[13:56] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: well, I don't know if xubuntu does anything differently, but nvidia-driver-390 is in the repos for bionic.
[13:56] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: I see lots of different packages suggested by that apt query
[13:56] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: I do see a lot of older driver versions there and they all are marked as bionic as well
[13:56] <HaMsTeRs> I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 VM guest under WMWare Workstation.  I had to disabled 3D Acceleration in order to install Office 365 (2016) with CrossOver.  This caused my system went poorly slow when running MS Office.   Any idea to speed up?
[13:57] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: I'm guessing the latest stable 390 should work for your GPU. which one is it?
[13:57] <kk4ewt> HaMsTeRs, run libreoffice instead :)
[13:57] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: although, I had to use the graphics PPA and 396, gnome was very crashy with my gtx 960, and nvidia-driver-390
[13:58] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: hmm
[13:58] <HaMsTeRs> I've tried Libre Office, WPS, OpenOffice etc.  none can replace MS OFfice
[13:58] <FreeBDSM> blackflow: should I start with PPAs as well?
[13:58] <FreeBDSM> or try `nvidia-driver-390` first?
[13:58] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: what's the host OS for that vmware?
[13:58] <kk4ewt> HaMsTeRs,  it does for me but different stokes for different folks
[13:58] <FreeBDSM> gtx970 here
[13:58] <HaMsTeRs> When I edit my docs created under MS office, the format went crazy
[13:59] <HaMsTeRs> blackflow, Windows 10 64
[13:59] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: you just need to run: software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[13:59] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: I'd try the stable nvidia-driver-390   because you said that was xfce.
[13:59] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: so you run windows, then ubuntu virtualized, within which you run wine in order to install office? O.o
[14:00] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: neat!
[14:00] <FreeBDSM> thanks!
[14:00] <HaMsTeRs> black, i installed CrossOver 7.5.0.  I'm not quite sure which version of wine it use
[14:00] <FreeBDSM> a freshly installed OS, and getting weird messages already :/
[14:01] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: you don't understand. you run office under wine under ubuntu under windows. why not install office on your local windows directly.
[14:01] <blackflow> is it pirated and you're afraid of viruses?
[14:01] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: that's also available from xfce/application menu -> settings -> additional drivers
[14:01] <HaMsTeRs> Becuase I do not want to switch between windows
[14:01] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: I've checked 'using NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-390 (proprietary, tested) there and in console I do get `debconf: DbDriver "passwords" warning: could not open /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat: Permission denied` 3 times
[14:01] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: I know, still I like console and tricked like you showed
[14:02] <FreeBDSM> I now even wonder if I can use --open-tab for other windows as well
[14:02] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: well it's silly what you're doing. and you probably can't speed that up.
[14:02] <HaMsTeRs> why's that?
[14:02] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: ok if you're into wroking on a temrinal then using this is probbaly better. the CLI alternative to this GUI is "ubuntu-drivers"
[14:03] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: just install it locally for windows.
[14:03] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: after switching the driver the display didn't even blink
[14:03] <HaMsTeRs> Okie
[14:04] <HaMsTeRs> blackflow, so what office software do you use for word processing
[14:04] <FreeBDSM> judging by scrolling a very lightweight webpage in firefox - I still do have issues with repainting when scrolling
[14:04] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: i would think it wont apply until you restart the desktop manager
[14:04] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: LibreOffice on Ubuntu
[14:04] <FreeBDSM> oh
[14:04] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: maybe you would even have to reboot since nvidia is ... special.
[14:04] <HaMsTeRs> blackflow, do you do docs alot?
[14:05] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: you _definitely_ have to reboot for change from nouveau to nvidia.
[14:05] <FreeBDSM> thanks for the info
[14:05] <HaMsTeRs> if so, you should know that the format in libre is gay
[14:05] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: a lot of spreadsheets yes, a bit less on word.
[14:05] <blackflow> *Writer
[14:05] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: yes, you'd need to switch from KMS to UMS
[14:05] <tomreyn> kernel/user mode setting
[14:06] <FreeBDSM> I've installed an OS with DE, and it lacks a GUI (un)archiver :/
[14:06] <HaMsTeRs> blackflow, so what about diagram?
[14:06] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: what's that?
[14:06] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: there's squeeze which is xfce specific, i think, and file-roller, which is gnome specific
[14:06] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: how'd I switch?
[14:06] <blackflow> HaMsTeRs: welcome to my ignore list. have fun! ;)
[14:07] <HaMsTeRs> why
[14:07] <HaMsTeRs> any visio replacement
[14:07] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: there's no `squeeze` in `apt search squeeze` :(
[14:07]  * HaMsTeRs twists blackflow's nipples
[14:08] <schezuk> Hi guys, can you survive in a OS where there were no unique file paths at all and you had to filter a single file with multiple attributes like uid/timestamp/namespace/hash etc., or the last resort, fid?
[14:08] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: KMS/UMS is about how / where the graphics drivers are managed / initialized. nowadays, you do it via KMS, except with some special drivers, like nvidia.  to switch between KMS and UMS, reboot, as backflow pointed out.
[14:08] <Snow-Man> Using 18.04, XPS15 w/ EFI. manually set up an encrypted partition w/ LUKS and LVM inside of that, with LVs for boot, root, usr, var, etc.  Grub comes up but complains it can't find the kernel and it never prompts me for a PW to decrypt the container.  Anyone here familiar with grub and encrypted partitions and such?
[14:09] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: ah, so it will switch automatically?
[14:09] <FreeBDSM> good then
[14:10] <blackflow> FreeBDSM: yeah nouveau and nvidia blacklist each other
[14:10] <blackflow> Snow-Man: you can't put /boot on LVM, esp. not encrypted. you need it separate
[14:11] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: hmm, maybe my 'squeeze' info is outdated or wrong. xfce seems to does it from thunar, the file browser, using the thunar-archive plugin, which is part of xfce-goodies
[14:11]  * Snow-Man sighs
[14:11] <Snow-Man> blackflow: I've seen a lot of varying opinions on that.
[14:11] <blackflow> Snow-Man: did you set that up manually? the installer should've set it up properly
[14:12] <Snow-Man> yes, I set it up manually, mostly followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcess#The_stages
[14:12] <Snow-Man> which pretty clearly has /boot inside of an encrypted LVM
[14:12] <blackflow> Snow-Man: well it's simple. the bootloader _can_ work with LUKS'd /boot, but afaik it can't work with LVM. so it needs initramfs to work with LVM, which is then a catch22, so it's best if you have separate /boot
[14:14] <linux778> Hi
[14:15] <Khaprani> Greetings
[14:15] <blackflow> Snow-Man: yeah well you followed that tutorial and it's not working, it it?
[14:16] <tomreyn> schezuk: is this a homework assignment?
[14:16] <Snow-Man> blackflow: so you believe that tutorial to be entirely wrong from a technical standpoint and that it'd never work that way?
[14:16] <tomreyn> *re-assignment
[14:17] <blackflow> Snow-Man: I'll give it a benefit of a doubt that using EFI with a stub kernel perhaps or some other way with initramfs available, _might_ work. but I don't see that from glancing at the tutorial.
[14:18] <blackflow> Snow-Man: but if that were me, I'd set up unencrypted /boot for LEAST headache down the line.
[14:18] <Khaprani> When you all have a moment I'm looking at some strange behaviour in gparted regarding the used space in a partition.
[14:18] <blackflow> !details | Khaprani
[14:19] <Snow-Man> blackflow: I'm more inclined to believe that I've managed to miss including something in the grub command or set up some aspect of it incorrectly and that grub actually can perform decryption and pull a kernel/initramfs out of an encrypted container w/ LUKS even with LVM
[14:19] <schezuk> tomreyn: not quite, just a wild imagination that tries ti overturn something
[14:19] <FreeBDSM> hmm, not yet familiar with the linux naming of devices, how'd I figure the /dev/ path to my usb stick? Is `/dev/disk/by-label/XUBUNTU-180` fine for `dd`'s `of=` param?
[14:19] <Khaprani> Ah, yes well I have a partition that I know to have data, when mounted it shows the spaced used. My aim is to resize (shrink it) when I unmount all data information ie used space dissapears.
[14:21] <blackflow> Snow-Man: grub can work with LUKS'd /boot yes. I don't know about LVM which requires userland tools. Could be wrong and the recent versions changed that. But from what I know, it can't.
[14:21] <Khaprani> The odd thing is that I've checked the disk for errors and corrected those, gparted tells me via yellow triangle that it I should install ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g to get more info, but I have those already so...
[14:22] <blackflow> Snow-Man: I guess I was wrong and grub _can_ work with LVM too.   GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="lvm"
[14:22] <tomreyn> schezuk: well this channel is just for ubuntu support, but you could discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss or just ##linux maybe
[14:22] <schezuk> thx
[14:23] <Khaprani> When mounted I cannot shrink it, when unmounted it does not see the data present to avoid it... thus my conundrum.
[14:23] <FreeBDSM> schezuk: I would install such an OS.
[14:23] <Khaprani> Those are pretty much the details Blackflow
[14:24] <Khaprani> Thoughts?
[14:24] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: this is a symlink, you'll need to follow it or make dd do so if it can (not sure). readlink -f /dev/disk/by-label/XUBUNTU-180
[14:25] <ioria> Snow-Man, make sure that the lvm module is preloaded
[14:25] <FreeBDSM> I see my XUbuntu has tmux preinstalled, what's the default <prefix> in it?
[14:25] <ducasse> FreeBDSM: that probably points to a partition, not the block device itself
[14:26] <FreeBDSM> ctrl+a and ctrl+b don't work
[14:26] <schezuk> FreeBDSM: thank you. For half a centry people have adopted path string as the tradition, you know
[14:26] <FreeBDSM> ducasse: do I need to point dd to a partition or a block device?
[14:26] <ducasse> FreeBDSM: depends on what you're writing. for iso images, the block device.
[14:26] <FreeBDSM> `sudo dd if=FreeBSD-11.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img of=/dev/disk/by-label/XUBUNTU-180 conv=sync` => `1507217+0 records in` `1507217+0 records out` `771695104 bytes (772 MB, 736 MiB) copied, 219.073 s, 3.5 MB/s`
[14:27] <FreeBDSM> I guess success?
[14:27] <FreeBDSM> schezuk: paths are human readable, how'd I navigate among hashes of files?
[14:29] <ducasse> FreeBDSM: i suspect you won't be able to boot from that
[14:29] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: i suspect you just placed a file in /dev/disk/by-label/XUBUNTU-180 , overwriting the symlink.
[14:30] <Snow-Man> blackflow: sadly, no joy w/ that either.  I don't think grub is even attempting to decrypt anything since I'm never prompted for a PW...
[14:31] <blackflow> Snow-Man: try adding luks to that GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES so it's  = "luks lvm"
[14:32] <schezuk> FreeBDSM: shall we go on in channel #linux
[14:32] <Khaprani> Do you require additional details?
[14:33] <Snow-Man> I've got GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTOBOOT=y set, would have thought that'd take care of some things...  I'll try adding more stuff tho.
[14:33] <blackflow> Snow-Man: now that oyu mention it.... there was some silly problem with that cryptoboot variable.... what was it.... I think "y" didn't work but oyu had to use "1" or something liek that.
[14:34] <Snow-Man> uhhh
[14:34] <FreeBDSM> ducasse: tomreyn: seems like I screwed up: I've detached the usb stick, re-attached it and now it's not in /dev/disk/by-label/ anymore
[14:34] <Snow-Man> seriously?!
[14:35] <blackflow> Snow-Man: lemme try find that
[14:35] <FreeBDSM> ducasse: tomreyn: should I `dd` to `/dev/sdc` or to `/dev/sdc1`?
[14:36] <ducasse> FreeBDSM: the first
[14:36] <blackflow> Snow-Man: btw, I think it's GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK   and not CRYPTOBOOT
[14:36] <Snow-Man> the cryptomount and such options are ending up in the grub config, I can see that when I look at the grub script after booting
[14:36] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: i lack contextm would need to read up
[14:37] <Snow-Man> yes, GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK is what I have..
[14:37] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: I'm trying to write a FreeBSD-memstick.img onto a usb stick
[14:38] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: what ducasse said then
[14:38] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: thats if sdc really is the usb stick
[14:39] <FreeBDSM> it is, judging by /dev/disk/by-id/
[14:39] <tomreyn> ok
[14:39] <Snow-Man> yea, no joy w/ using '=1' or with adding 'luks lvm'..
[14:40] <FreeBDSM> now I wonder if I needed to `dd` just 1s first
[14:40] <FreeBDSM> rebooting to test if dd'ing worked
[14:40] <FreeBDSM> thanks for help, I'll come back soon
[14:40] <tomreyn> good luck
[14:41] <blackflow> Snow-Man: yeah I can't find it now any more. I ran wiht encrypted boot once, two years ago, just to see how that works, but really, I'd just go with separate /boot. All the computers and servers I install, use encrypted filesystems, except /boot. Encryption is just to protect data at rest, and /boot in it is more hassle with zero security benefit.
[14:42] <Snow-Man> the benefit is marginal, I'll agree with that
[14:42] <Snow-Man> I hate this feeling that I'm just missing something minor tho
[14:42] <Khaprani> When partitioning a disk for Ubuntu how much space should I allocate?
[14:43] <tomreyn> Snow-Man: some people place /boot on removable media for the purpose of 'securing' it (in the 'something you have' + 'something you know' sense)
[14:44] <blackflow> Snow-Man: or you're not :) really there was this silly bug with =y vs =1 or something, it took me a few hours to get it all right, had to go into the source code. but that was right after grub grew the capability to use encrypted /boot, so it was probably all still too new.
[14:44] <tomreyn> Snow-Man: yet others combine this with checksumming to knw when files on /boot change
[14:45] <blackflow> and YET they all run a whole minix OS, which can do anything, including present fake data to the checksum, in parallel throught the IME ;)
[14:47] <tomreyn> not everonye uses intel CPUs. but it'll be something similar then, yes.
[14:55] <schezuk> FreeBDSM: let's take photos for example, you shall filter them with file type, date, location, title etc. If you arrange your photo properly in file trees, you must have named these pieces of information in the path. If not, you have to search with these filters, or to count on your memory to pick the specific file named randomly. ALL of these operations involve your participation, and the application that opens the file is finally feeded with an inode. Anoth
[14:56] <schezuk> omitted like ~/.wget.rc does.
[15:00] <Khaprani> is anyone familiar with a udisks-error-quark, 0 when resizing a filesystem?
[15:05] <tomreyn> Khaprani: i think udisks runs into this situation because it fails to re-read (or make the kernel re-read) the partition table after writing it.
[15:06] <tomreyn> Khaprani: it should not be fatal nor cause actual problems, though, IIRC.
[15:07] <Khaprani> tomreyn Thanks, how should I approach completing my disk resize then?
[15:08] <tomreyn> Khaprani: what were you using there?
[15:09] <Khaprani> Well initially I was attempting with gparted, but then with the disks utility of ubuntu
[15:10] <tomreyn> i usually use use parted on the terminal, gparted should also work.
[15:10] <tomreyn> the gnome disk utility uses udisks, which may then fail.
[15:10] <Khaprani> gparted would not see the disks used space when unmounted
[15:11] <Khaprani> so all space was up for resize... figured that was not a good thing
[15:11] <tomreyn> Khaprani: how is the disk formatted?
[15:11] <Khaprani> ntfs
[15:11] <Khaprani> it is a windows OS + data
[15:11] <tomreyn> hmm, well, ntfs resizing is probably best done on windows
[15:12] <Khaprani> Would if I could.
[15:12] <Khaprani> they didn't like it either
[15:12] <tomreyn> well there is ntfsresize in ntfs3g
[15:12] <Khaprani> how should I go about doing that?
[15:13] <tomreyn> you install ntfs-3g and run ntfsresize against the partition which contains the ntfs file system
[15:13] <tomreyn> after creatign backups, of course
[15:13] <tomreyn> and after running ntfsfix against it
[15:14] <Khaprani> I have ntfs-3g installed. so I should use ntfsfix first?
[15:14] <tomreyn> first: backups, second: ntfsfix, third: resize
[15:15] <Khaprani> unfortunately backing up is kind of my aim.  I've backed up the data but not the OS
[15:17] <tomreyn> well, then it's a matter of luck, or of buyiong more storage.
[15:17] <Khaprani> luck i guess... like always
[15:19] <Khaprani> so now lets see ntfsfix that is part of ntfs-3g right?
[15:19] <tomreyn> Khaprani: yes. it also has a man page, just like ntfsresize (and you should definitely read it, contains good hints).
[15:19] <Khaprani> man page?
[15:20] <tomreyn> man pages become available using the 'man' command once you have installed the 'man-db' package
[15:20] <tomreyn> !man
[15:20] <Khaprani> oh cool
[15:21] <tomreyn> quite often they'll provide much more detailed hints on how to use a command line utility than --help does
[15:22] <Khaprani> hrm seems I am using it wrong
[15:22] <Khaprani> !man ntfsfix
[15:22] <Khaprani> like that?
[15:23] <tomreyn> without the !
[15:24] <Khaprani> so looks like I just want the regular command for ntfsfix no modifiers then?
[15:27] <tomreyn> Khaprani: probably, yes. maybe you'll need -c, but it will tell
[15:27] <tomreyn> i mean -d
[15:28] <Khaprani> well that completed quickly
[15:29] <Khaprani> should it have given something beyond "was processed successfully"
[15:30] <tomreyn> Khaprani: i dont think so, no
[15:30] <Khaprani> well cool i guess
[15:31] <tomreyn> Khaprani: if you do it again, it will probably say it has the dirty bit set now, also if you try to resize it.
[15:32] <Khaprani> I didn't use the d modifier should I have?
[15:34] <tomreyn> Khaprani: you will find out, i'm not certain. it was good not to use it the first time, to learn whether it was already considered dirty or not. it wasn't.
[15:35] <Khaprani> from there I just use ntfsresize yeah? time to read the man page
[15:35] <tomreyn> Khaprani: yes
[15:36] <tomreyn> feel free to highlight me (i.e. write "tomreyn: ...") if you have more questions.
[15:38] <Khaprani> tomreyn: like this?
[15:38] <tomreyn> !paste | Khaprani
[15:38] <tomreyn> Khaprani: yes
[15:49] <tripelbb> i have ubuntu 18 and to synch time with server I am told to set up ntp. is this normal?
[15:51] <tripelbb> this page has things I cannot understand. My time and date settings says manual. is this normal?  https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html.en
[15:51] <tripelbb> the time is correct.
[15:54] <maroc> tripelbb, yeah most all computers use some form of ntp to sync time
[15:57] <blackflow> tripelbb: you should have systemd-timesyncd running by default, so no need to install any additional package.
[15:59] <maroc> yep, "timedatectl status" should tell you if it's running and syncing
[16:06] <Khaprani> tomreyn: seems I have a number of missing clusters in $Bitmap
[16:07] <Khaprani> tomreyn: 695766 cluster accounting mismatches
[16:15] <herritus> anyone willing to explain some backup stuff to me?
[16:15] <herritus> im missing some fundamentals
[16:17] <tripelbb> thanks maroc
[16:18] <MrCrow> Hey, I need some help - I want to run a script from systemd, which either operates with root privileges and has a password on it, or runs a single command with sudo or remove the need to run that command with sudo
[16:18] <YADW> herritus elaborate...
[16:18] <tripelbb> what is the normal text editor in ubuntu. i have mate and I got one that has no command to let me brouse. I am contenet to access it from terminal actually
[16:19] <YADW> tripelbb then you can use nano or vim. The former is much easier.
[16:20] <tripelbb> gedit wont let me browse. dumb
[16:21] <YADW> Browse as in search through text? Of course Gedit can do that.
[16:23] <tripelbb> YADW, as in look for a file in different directories.
[16:24] <tripelbb> i want to open a file. I just made the file in terminal. mate has a graphic that comes up I have never seen, this under open in the ... well it isnt a file menu, just says open
[16:25] <blackflow> isn't there Pluma or whatsitcalled MATE editor?
[16:25] <tripelbb> how can i open a text editer from terminal?
[16:26] <YADW> tripelbb you can type gedit <file path> or nano <file path>
[16:28] <herritus> YADW, can we chat in PM about it? It's easier for me than things getting lost in channel messages
[16:28] <YADW> herritus It's not a problem for me.
[16:29] <theor> Hi. I've upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and there aren't progressbar anymore in the dock. I tried removing the extensions folder and resetting the org.gnome gsettings tree, but that didn't work. Is there something in particular I should do or try?
[16:29] <blackflow> !pm | herritus
[16:33] <CarlFK> in gnome-terminal, how do I send Alt-f2?
[16:34] <CarlFK> ... running ssh in terminal, connected to a remote box, that's what needs the alt-f2
[16:40] <andrew09> Any idea on why the "Download updates while installing Ubuntu" doesn't work, because every time after installation I still have to download 200mb of updates, even though I do have internet connection during installation.
[16:41] <ioria> CarlFK, alt+f2 calls a gui widget to execute a cmd.... why do yuo need it in terminal
[16:42] <Randolf> Is the "Vectr" application spyware?  It requires that I sign up online before I can save my work, and it displays banner ads.
[16:43] <CarlFK> ioria: im connected to a box running the netboot/text based installer, I want to switch VTs
[16:43] <ioria> CarlFK, chvt
[16:44] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[16:45] <CarlFK> ioria: what is chvt?
[16:45] <ioria> CarlFK, change foreground virtual terminal
[16:50] <CarlFK> ioria:  I start an install that does this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole    I ssh to the box, I get this: http://img.flnet.org/a/term.png
[16:56] <CarlFK> ioria: derp. "start shell" option gets me a shell.
[16:56] <ioria> CarlFK, ok
[17:07] <MrCrow> hello?
[17:13] <tomreyn> hello!
[17:18] <Aldem> Hello
[17:18] <Aldem> Installing Ubuntu on Windows 10 via WSL.
[17:19] <ppf> i have samba running on xenial. any idea why the host wouldn't show up in windows' network browser?
[17:19] <kang0> Hi
[17:19] <kang0> Any one from U.S.A.?
[17:20] <Aldem> Canada
[17:20] <woods> kang0: yup
[17:21] <oodsway> kang0: im in usa
[17:24] <ioria> ppf, you can mount manually in Explore address bar :  \\server-ip\share
[17:24] <ppf> ioria: i know, but i want the hostname to show up
[17:25] <ppf> this is for the non-techie users on the network ;)
[17:25] <ioria> ppf, maybe netbios name issue
[17:25] <ppf> hm, how would i debug that?
[17:27] <Aldem> Hi, I'm at the display driver step
[17:27] <Aldem> https://github.com/QMonkey/wsl-tutorial#specify-the-display-server
[17:28] <Aldem> I just enter the 2 commands ? It tells me not to forget  to run bash
[17:28] <ioria> ppf, add in [global]  'netbios name = myname' restart smbd service and eventually windows (i assume ufw is disabled or set)
[17:29] <ppf> Samba is allowed inufw
[17:30] <Randolf> kang0: I'm also from Canada.
[17:30] <ppf> ioria: netbios name is not set in smb.conf. i'd assume it'd default to hostname?
[17:30] <tomreyn> ppf: look into the nmbd service, it does the naming stuff
[17:31] <ioria> ppf, yes
[17:31] <ppf> tomreyn: it's up and running if that's what you mean
[17:31] <ioria> ppf, ^ yeah, restart nmbd too
[17:31] <ppf> if netbios name isn't set doesn't it just default to hostname?
[17:32] <ioria> ppf, usually, yes
[17:32] <ppf> so then why would setting it help?
[17:32] <tomreyn> ppf: '[nmbd's] "own NetBIOS name" is by default the primary DNS name of the host it is running on, but this can be overridden by the netbios name in smb.conf'
[17:33] <ppf> tomreyn: i don't need to override it
[17:33] <tomreyn> ppf: sorry i thought oyu had said ti was set to an empty string in smb.conf
[17:34] <tomreyn> but oyu said unset
[17:34] <ppf> ah, yes
[17:35] <ioria> ppf, could be a windows setting, like 'network discovery' or stuff .... ever worked on that pc ?
[17:35] <ppf> yes, it works and detects the windows machine, just not the smb server
[17:36] <tomreyn> i think there's a #samba channel around here, maybe ask there, too.
[17:39] <smuvtap> hello
[17:39] <smuvtap> is anyone in here?
[17:40] <tomreyn> not during this .5 min
[17:48] <amadeobee> how do you shut down applications like in windows when you force quit on task manager?
[17:49] <smuvtap> hello
[17:49] <smuvtap> is anyone online?
[17:49] <blackflow> nope.
[17:49] <smuvtap> nice
[17:49] <amadeobee> smuvtap: nope
[17:50] <blackflow> amadeobee: one way would be to start the Monitor application, find the process for teh application, right click and Kill
[17:50] <ioria> amadeobee, if you really want to , in 'system monitor -> processes'
[17:51] <amadeobee> ioria: thank you
[17:51] <amadeobee> blackflow: thanks
[17:51] <ioria> amadeobee, ok
[17:52] <amadeobee> ioria: whats the difference between 'end' and 'kill' ? does 'end' close the application properly and kill just ends it without doing it "neatly" ?
[17:52] <__marco> amadeobee, xkill may help
[17:53] <ioria> amadeobee, the signal sent
[17:53] <ioria> amadeobee, SIGQUIT vs SIGKILL
[17:53] <amadeobee> ah ok
[17:53] <amadeobee> thanks again :)
[17:54] <blackflow> no SIGTERM?
[17:55] <blackflow> alright. really tried recommending a GUI way instead of terminal. it sucks. no control.     so.... start the terminal, find the process with ps axuf   and kill it by pid. SIGTERM first and SIGKILL if still isn't obeying. nuke it from orbit, that's the only way to be sure.
[17:57] <Neepu> Hi. Can anyone please help me out? I've just recently installed a driver for my WiFi adapter, but it does not really work well with WiFi Direct(?) also referred to as p2p.
[17:58] <Neepu> But i struggle disabling p2p functionality in wpasupplicant
[17:58] <Neepu> In earlier Ubuntu versions that used NetworkManager, i could set "p2p_disabled=1"
[17:58] <Neepu> But with netplan, how would i do that?
[18:13] <ppf> ioria, tomreyn: looks fixed, and appears to have been a weird caching issue
[18:13] <ppf> nmblookup returned the wrong ip
[18:13] <ppf> restarted everything a couple of times
[18:14] <ioria> ppf, yeah, well done
[18:15] <Aldem> Home folder for a distro via WSL is user/appdate/lxss ?
[18:15] <ioria> blackflow, sigterm probably, yes
[18:18] <Lupin> hello
[18:22] <ironpillow> hi all, I am trying to install a package on 18.04 and I am getting an error about libmbedcrypto0 not being available. it was working on 17.10 but is currently not working on 18.04. Any advice? thanks!
[18:28] <ppf> ironpillow: what's the packagae?
[18:35] <bensh4> ,
[18:44] <]PeGaSe[> Hi there anybody ?
[18:47] <CookieM> yes, around 1700 individuals
[18:47] <]PeGaSe[> hi CookieM
[18:47] <]PeGaSe[> but anybody talk :-D
[18:47] <]PeGaSe[> only you
[18:47] <]PeGaSe[> :-D
[18:48] <hggdh> ]PeGaSe[: that's because this is not a general chat channel, this is a support channel
[18:48] <]PeGaSe[> ah ok sorry
[18:48] <qwebirc38733> Hello?
[18:48] <qwebirc38733> I need help
[18:49] <RPiUbuntu> Hello.
[18:49] <RPiUbuntu> Help me plz
[18:49] <ppf> !ask
[18:50] <RPiUbuntu> !patience
[18:50] <RPiUbuntu> Ok
[18:52] <RPiUbuntu> So I am using a raspberry pi 3 and I rebooted after changing the overscan and resolution. I then couldn’t get anything to work. I had no screen, no nothing. Then, later, I installed Ubuntu again. It had the same problem. Please help
[18:53] <RPiUbuntu> !ask
[18:54] <RPiUbuntu> So I am using a raspberry pi 3 and I rebooted after changing the overscan and resolution. I then couldn’t get anything to work. I had no screen, no nothing. Then, later, I installed Ubuntu again. It had the same problem. Please help
[18:55] <RPiUbuntu> Is anybody here???
[18:55] <RPiUbuntu> So I am using a raspberry pi 3 and I rebooted after changing the overscan and resolution. I then couldn’t get anything to work. I had no screen, no nothing. Then, later, I installed Ubuntu again. It had the same problem. Please help
[18:55] <owl_tech> Hello there. Please, test it build with Python and Django. A goal  planning. Greetings! http://goalstoachieve.ga
[18:55] <CookieM> dude, can’t you read
[18:56] <CookieM>  if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you
[18:56] <RPiUbuntu> Owl_tech I can’t
[18:57] <RPiUbuntu> Ok. I still need help
[18:57] <RPiUbuntu> !help
[18:57] <RPiUbuntu> Ok stop or
[18:57] <BluesKaj> RPiUbuntu, how did you install ubuntuon the RPI, from a usb ?
[18:58] <RPiUbuntu> No. I used a micro so card
[18:58] <trickyj> hi
[18:58] <RPiUbuntu> Hello
[18:58] <BluesKaj> or a from microsd?
[18:58] <RPiUbuntu> Microsd
[18:59] <BluesKaj> ok, did you create a bootable image on it
[18:59] <RPiUbuntu> Yes. I booted it twice both times
[19:00] <oerheks> reset your monitor to factory default, and boot your pi again?
[19:00] <tomreyn> RPiUbuntu: please explain how you created the bootable sd card, which image you used exactly
[19:00] <BluesKaj> RPiUbuntu, is the sd larege enough to hold the image ?. I have to ask
[19:01] <RPiUbuntu> I used the Ubuntu mate image from the website. It was the official website.
[19:01] <RPiUbuntu> Yes the sd card was
[19:02] <BluesKaj> did you unetbootin or dd or some such?
[19:02] <RPiUbuntu> No.
[19:02] <tomreyn> just magic and unicorns then?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> then what?
[19:03] <RPiUbuntu> I put the sd in and it booted
[19:04] <RPiUbuntu> Oh do u mean for on to the card?
[19:04] <tomreyn> that's missing a step, you downloaded some ubuntu mate image from some website to your computer. then you inserted an sd-card into the raspi, and it booted?
[19:04] <RPiUbuntu> Oh
[19:04] <tomreyn> would you not have somehow written that image to the sd card?
[19:05] <RPiUbuntu> I used etcher to put the image onto the sdcard
[19:05] <RPiUbuntu> On Mac
[19:05] <tomreyn> do you still have the image and can tell us filename and sha256sum ?
[19:05] <RPiUbuntu> No. It was latest ARM version tho
[19:06] <RPiUbuntu> It’s from yesterday
[19:07] <RPiUbuntu> U got that.
[19:07] <RPiUbuntu> ??
[19:07] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ubuntu-mate-16.04.2-desktop-armhf-raspberry-pi.img.xz is what i find
[19:07] <RPiUbuntu> Yea that’s it
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> Hello !
[19:08] <tomreyn> Download Size 	1.2 GB
[19:08] <tomreyn> SHA256SUM Checksum 	dc3afcad68a5de3ba683dc30d2093a3b5b3cd6b2c16c0b5de8d50fede78f75c2
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> I have a big problem with nvidia-340 and ubuntu. I explain
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> When I install nvidia-340 driver (is good driver, I have already check), I get this error :
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 4.15.0-29-generic (x86_64)
[19:08] <RPiUbuntu> Yes tomreyn
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> And I cannot start X after. I must purge nvidia-340 and return to nouveau driver
[19:08] <NeuhNeuh> but nouveau driver performance is very very very poor
[19:08] <RPiUbuntu> NeuhNeuh do !patience
[19:09] <NeuhNeuh> RPiUbuntu: ?
[19:09] <NeuhNeuh> !patience
[19:09] <RPiUbuntu> !ask
[19:09] <NeuhNeuh> RPiUbuntu: I explain what is problem :) I don't repeat problem
[19:09] <NeuhNeuh> And I don't ask to ask, I explain what is problem ...
[19:09] <RPiUbuntu> Tomreyn u there?
[19:10] <tomreyn> RPiUbuntu: yes, but i have more patience than you. and am maybe slower, too.
[19:10] <RPiUbuntu> He.
[19:10] <RPiUbuntu> Yes. That’s probably true. Lol
[19:10] <tomreyn> RPiUbuntu: can you ask in #ubuntu-mate since i dont think this is an official ubuntu image.
[19:11] <RPiUbuntu> Ok is that /j Ubuntu-mate
[19:11] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-mate
[19:11] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, what ubuntu version ? my wild guess is that you're installing from a wrong repo
[19:12] <RPiUbuntu> Ok. It is a official image tho
[19:12] <NeuhNeuh> (Oh ! I have forget, I use ubuntu 16.04. Is maybe 16.04 related problem, but I don't know if switch to last version can solve problem, but I don't want to expand lot of time to upgrade)
[19:12] <NeuhNeuh> -expand +spend
[19:12] <Lupinus> i have a problem too : my ubuntu dont reconize my usb device
[19:13] <maroc> NeuhNeuh, what is the graphics card? unfortunately, drivers for some older cards aren't updated to work with newest kernels
[19:13] <tomreyn> RPiUbuntu: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ states "This image is not an official Ubuntu image, it is community supported, so any bugs filed on the Ubuntu MATE Launchpad bug tracker will be closed with a comment directing the report to the Ubuntu MATE forums :-)"
[19:13] <Lupinus> !help
[19:13] <qwebirc68016> Oh lol
[19:14] <qwebirc68016> I am rpiubuntu
[19:14] <NeuhNeuh> maroc: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 315M] (rev a2)
[19:14] <RPi-Ubuntu> Ok
[19:14] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, post   apt-cache policy nvidia-340
[19:14] <NeuhNeuh> ioria: Actually driver is not installed
[19:15] <NeuhNeuh> I use nouveau now
[19:15] <RPi-Ubuntu> Help
[19:15] <BluesKaj> NeuhNeuh, think that gpu uses thenvidia- 390 driver
[19:15] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: see also the other notes on this page about where to get suipport
[19:15] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, that's not a problem :  post   apt-cache policy nvidia-340
[19:15] <NeuhNeuh> Ok
[19:15] <RPi-Ubuntu> Tomreyn
[19:15] <NeuhNeuh> https://pastebin.com/wWBjbFsD
[19:16] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: ?
[19:16] <NeuhNeuh> BluesKaj: I have already check. 340 is good driver, and has always work with this driver
[19:16] <RPi-Ubuntu> What page
[19:16] <oerheks> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[19:16] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: <tomreyn> RPiUbuntu: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ states "This image is not an official Ubuntu image, it is community supported, so any bugs filed on the Ubuntu MATE Launchpad bug tracker will be closed with a comment directing the report to the Ubuntu MATE forums :-)"
[19:17] <RPi-Ubuntu> Ok. The problem is no one responds to u on the Ubuntu-mate server
[19:17] <maroc> NeuhNeuh, according to the readme nvidia 340 should work
[19:17] <oerheks> RPi-Ubuntu, just be patient
[19:17] <maroc> let me see if I can build
[19:17] <NeuhNeuh> maroc: Yes but I have check on nvidia website
[19:17] <Lupinus> what does that mean : usb 2-1: new high-speed USB device number 28 using ehci-pci (why ubuntu then dont find the usb device ?)
[19:18] <NeuhNeuh> Maybe I must install «340.107» version
[19:18] <RPi-Ubuntu> There’s like no one there
[19:18] <RPi-Ubuntu> But fine
[19:18] <maroc> maybe
[19:18] <maroc> have you tried using the ubuntu installer?
[19:18] <NeuhNeuh> I can try https://www.nvidia.fr/download/driverResults.aspx/135248/fr
[19:18] <Lupinus> Rpi-Ubuntu do you googled your problem ?
[19:18] <NeuhNeuh> maroc: I have use « sudo apt install nvidia-340 » for install driver
[19:18] <RPi-Ubuntu> Lupinos no
[19:19] <maroc> software & updates gui -> additional drivers tab
[19:19] <RPi-Ubuntu> Should I? Lupinus
[19:19] <RPi-Ubuntu> .
[19:20] <Lupinus> Rpi-Ubuntu , maybe coz it seemes like nobody in this channel can help you ;)
[19:20] <BluesKaj> NeuhNeuh, correction: the 340 driver is the correct one
[19:20] <RPi-Ubuntu> People were helping before
[19:20] <RPi-Ubuntu> Like BluesKaj
[19:20] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, it's a bug i'am afraid
[19:20] <RPi-Ubuntu> Help
[19:21] <NeuhNeuh> ioria: Ok. I try version on nvidia website :x
[19:21] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, i advice against that
[19:21] <NeuhNeuh> ioria: Why ?
[19:21] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1737750
[19:21] <BluesKaj> NeuhNeuh, it's not supported by kernel upgrades
[19:21] <Lupinus> can anyone help me pls ?
[19:21] <ioria> sy
[19:22] <NeuhNeuh> BluesKaj: Oh not a problem
[19:22] <BluesKaj> the website version that is
[19:22] <RPi-Ubuntu> What lupinus
[19:22] <RPi-Ubuntu> !ask
[19:22] <NeuhNeuh> I lock kernel version while bug is solving and try latter
[19:22] <RPi-Ubuntu> LUPINUS
[19:22] <Lupinus> yes
[19:22] <Lupinus> what ?
[19:22] <RPi-Ubuntu> !ask
[19:22] <Lupinus> !ask
[19:23] <RPi-Ubuntu> !patience
[19:23] <BluesKaj> NeuhNeuh, is this an Optimus gpu system with 2 gpus ?
[19:23] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: you learn fast (about the bot triggers), but let's not overdo it.
[19:23] <maroc> ubottu, that's 304 not 340
[19:23] <RPi-Ubuntu> Lol
[19:24] <RPi-Ubuntu> So let’s ask Lupinus
[19:24] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, why don't you try with  ppa:graphics-drivers ?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> NeuhNeuh,  one is nvidia and the other an intel ?
[19:25] <RPi-Ubuntu> Tomreyn can u help me plz
[19:25] <RPi-Ubuntu> !help
[19:25] <RPi-Ubuntu> !list
[19:25] <tomreyn> Lupinus: this message you posted from your logs does not indicate why the usb device was not activated later. it just states that it was detected that this new device was connected.
[19:25] <gogeta> lol list
[19:25] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: please stop
[19:25] <Lupinus> ty
[19:26] <RPi-Ubuntu> Ok fine
[19:26] <tomreyn> Lupinus: check the other records nearby
[19:26] <BluesKaj> RPi-Ubuntu, you can also ask in #raspberrypi chat
[19:26] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: read the bottom of the page you were popinted to a couple times now. it has a link to a forum on it where you can requerst help.
[19:26] <gogeta> RPi-Ubuntu: is that still even a thing
[19:26] <new_gen> how do I install snap??? what are its advantages ???
[19:27] <RPi-Ubuntu> I did. I hate forums tho
[19:27] <RPi-Ubuntu> Ye it is gogeta
[19:27] <tomreyn> RPi-Ubuntu: well, then wait. a day or two, or three.
[19:27] <gogeta> new_gen: is your running 18.04 snaps are thing as is
[19:27] <Lupinus> that ? gnome-shell[1866]: Object Clutter.Clone (0x55797476e790), has been already finalized. Impossible to get any property from it
[19:27] <new_gen> gogeta : yes I am running 18.04 LTS
[19:28] <BluesKaj> !raspberrypi
[19:28] <RPi-Ubuntu> !raspberrypi
[19:28] <BluesKaj> hmm , no bot info for that one
[19:28] <RPi-Ubuntu> !rpi
[19:28] <gogeta> new_gen: the app store uses snaps as is
[19:28] <RPi-Ubuntu> !pi
[19:28] <tomreyn> !botabuse | RPi-Ubuntu
[19:28] <ducasse> !msgthebot | RPi-Ubuntu
[19:28] <RPi-Ubuntu> !raspberry
[19:28] <new_gen> gogeta: okay. what are its benifits / advantages ???
[19:28] <RPi-Ubuntu> Ok
[19:28] <BluesKaj> RPi-Ubuntu, click here #raspberrypi
[19:29] <gogeta> new_gen: the advantage is snaps have all there deps packages with the app so they should always work no matter there age or distros t
[19:29] <gogeta> new_gen: there used on
[19:29] <RPi-Ubuntu> Am I !botabusing?
[19:29] <gogeta> new_gen: the downside they are larger
[19:30] <Lupinus> herbert pls STOP
[19:30] <RPi-Ubuntu> Bye
[19:30] <RPi-Ubuntu> Hello
[19:30] <new_gen> gogeta: so what about flatpak and appimage . should i install those???
[19:31] <gogeta> new_gen: they both so simler things
[19:31] <gogeta> do
[19:31] <RPi-Ubuntu> Umm I can’t /join
[19:31] <RPi-Ubuntu> !lol
[19:31] <Lupinus> use nickserv
[19:31] <jskapata> Is it possible to edit user locale categories, for example, in LC_TIME, edit only first_weekday, only for the user?
[19:31] <tomreyn> !register | RPi-Ubuntu
[19:31] <ioria> NeuhNeuh, ok, nvidia-304 driver has been removed from 18.04 because it run out of support and Kernel 4.15 doesn't compile it.
[19:32] <RPi-Ubuntu> Oh I have to register
[19:32] <gogeta> NeuhNeuh: you dont need 304 anymore anyways
[19:32] <RPi-Ubuntu> ?
[19:32] <Lupinus> yes herbert you have to
[19:32] <gogeta> and hes gone lol
[19:33] <RPi-Ubuntu> !botabuse | RPi-Ubuntu
[19:33] <RPi-Ubuntu>  lol
[19:37] <Zahovay> Hello, can anyone help me with ubuntu server upgrading from terminal?
[19:37] <Zahovay> actually through ssh
[19:37] <Lupinus> dist-upgrade ?
[19:38] <Zahovay> ubuntu 15.10 to 16.04, or do you guys suggest other version of ubuntu server?
[19:38] <tomreyn> Zahovay: 15.10 has been eol so long, you'll better just install from scratch
[19:39] <Zahovay> cant, vps host does not allow me to use newer version of clean install
[19:39] <Zahovay> that is the lastest one
[19:39] <uebera||> Zahovay: 16.04 is still supported and that would be the "least-invasive" upgrade, so if you need to upgrade, I'd suggest 16.04
[19:39] <tomreyn> Zahovay: that's a bad hosting provider, consider switching to a different one.
[19:39] <oerheks> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[19:40] <tomreyn> Zahovay: so use ppa-purge to remove and 3rd-party repositroies and any packages installed from there, then do an...
[19:40] <Zahovay> I will though yet this is the cheapest vps host for now its okay
[19:40] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade
[19:40] <oerheks> vps is heavily tweaked, use their 16.04 image
[19:40] <uebera||> Zahovay: If you have the option, don't use ssh, but a virtual console. ssh connections are usually preserved, but better be safe than sorry.
[19:41] <tomreyn> oerheks: they just said their host doesn't provide anything newer than 15.10
[19:41] <RPi-Ubuntu> never ever do !ops
[19:41] <Lupinus> think its the command : sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:41] <Lupinus> Zahovay, command : sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <oerheks> report that vps (..)
[19:41] <Zahovay> uebera||: how you mean virtual console?
[19:42] <gogeta> Zahovay: i dont think there is a upgrade path for 15.10 server
[19:42] <uebera||> Most provider nowadays allow you to connect to a local console by means of their virtualisation solution (e.g., kvm).
[19:42] <oerheks> from your admin panel, maybe
[19:43] <RPi-Ubuntu> I need to join #raspberrypi
[19:44] <Zahovay> Well I do not try to get such an advance level of connection
[19:44] <gogeta> Zerant: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[19:44] <gogeta> Zahovay: make shure you got that
[19:45] <gogeta> Zahovay: once you have that sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:46] <new_gen> how do i add option to Right click and create "New Document" in Ubuntu 18.04????
[19:47] <ioria> new_gen, http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/04/22/re-enable-new-document-option-ubuntu-18-04/
[19:47] <gogeta> Zahovay: if its not your box and some hoster you should contact them to have your system upgraded
[19:48] <oerheks> #ubuntu-arm may be a good channel to check out, RPi-Ubuntu rpiNEEDSHELP
[19:48] <new_gen> ioria: why did they remove that function ?? it is an usefull function
[19:48] <ioria> new_gen, long story
[19:49] <new_gen> ioria: okay
[19:50] <ioria> new_gen, gnome willbe very different from now on
[19:53] <new_gen> ioria: I hope its for good
[19:56] <NeuhNeuh> So, good news
[19:56] <NeuhNeuh> I have found a solution :D
[19:56] <NeuhNeuh> Its work now
[19:57] <NeuhNeuh> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa With this repository, you can get 107 version of nvidia-340 driver
[19:57] <Kaedenn> "The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu zesty-security Release' does no longer have a Release file." when apt-get update, running 17.04
[19:57] <Kaedenn> I try https://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and get a connection refused
[19:57] <NeuhNeuh> And its work. If someone has same problem, add this repo en reinstall driver solve this problem
[19:57] <blackflow> Kaedenn: 17.04 is eol long time ago
[19:57] <blackflow> !eolupgrade | Kaedenn
[19:57] <Kaedenn> I thought 17.04 was LTS?
[19:59] <oerheks> 17.04 .. no, so you are on 16.10
[19:59] <oerheks> do a fresh install, this upgrade path is long, and not without a lot of TLC
[20:00] <Kaedenn> I thought 17.04 was an LTS release (I thought all x.04 were LTS), though?
[20:00] <oerheks> nope, every 2 years
[20:00] <oerheks> latest LTS 18.04, so count back
[20:00] <Kaedenn> great, okay.
[20:01] <Kaedenn> I'm not sure if I'm able to do a fresh install; I'm nowhere near this server in terms of geograpy
[20:01] <Dbugger> Hey everyone
[20:01] <Dbugger> I keep getting this message in my terminal:
[20:01] <oerheks> eol server, vulnerable without meltdown spectre and other nasty fixes.. oh boy
[20:02] <rpiNEEDSHELP> Help
[20:02] <Dbugger> Xid (PCI:0000:01:00): 16, Head<PHONE_NUMBER> Count 00002b25
[20:02] <Kaedenn> >_< wonderful, okay.
[20:02] <rpiNEEDSHELP> #channels
[20:02] <oerheks> #ubuntu-arm may be a good channel to check out, RPi-Ubuntu rpiNEEDSHELP, stop asking for help here
[20:02] <Dbugger> why am i getting this (errro?) message
[20:02] <BluesKaj> Kaedenn, all LTS releases use an even number like 14.04 16.04 and 18.04, every 2 yrs
[20:02] <rpiNEEDSHELP> Ok
[20:02] <fath0m> Hello. Could somebody help me to get palm rejection working on Ubuntu 18.04? I'm on Dell Inspiron 15 5570
[20:02] <Kaedenn> BluesKaj: I was unaware of that. Thank you
[20:02] <fath0m> Windows Precision touchpad
[20:02] <Kaedenn> I'll see what I can do
[20:03] <fath0m> cant find anything online though :/ everything is for synaptics only
[20:04] <tomreyn> !details | Dbugger
[20:04] <Dbugger> tomreyn, I do not really know what do add. I just keep seeing the same message over and over, in my terminal, with intervals of a few seconds
[20:05] <tomreyn> Dbugger: you provided an error message. ubottu just told you what else we might need
[20:05] <Dbugger> tomreyn, true I forgot stuff, sorry
[20:06] <tomreyn> Dbugger: so ubuntu version, hardwarein information would be good to have
[20:06] <Dbugger> The steps are just boot up, the moment I boot, they come out. I am using 18.04
[20:06] <Dbugger> about my hardware... not sure what I could about it. I built this PC aeons ago. Im not even sure anymore what am I using
[20:07] <tomreyn> Dbugger: run this: dmesg -T | pastebinit
[20:07] <blackflow> Dbugger: what does lspci say is on 00:01.0  ?
[20:07] <memphisto> Dbugger:blackflow : i bet its nvidia
[20:07] <Dbugger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zrwhzV7gWZ/
[20:08] <blackflow> probably, due to that Xid
[20:08] <oerheks> fath0m, all i found is this old bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1541671
[20:08] <Dbugger> I also think it is a Nvidia, even though not sure
[20:08] <Dbugger> tomreyn, it does not say much, just some numbers I do not know what they mean
[20:08] <blackflow> nvidia indeed.
[20:08] <blackflow> Dbugger: that's nvidia barking at you
[20:09] <memphisto> Dbugger: are you using proprietary drivers or no?
[20:09] <blackflow> it's in that dmesg, yes.
[20:09] <Dbugger> memphisto, Yes I am
[20:09] <tomreyn> Dbugger: i think you meant to say this to blackflow
[20:09] <blackflow> Dbugger: I'd try upgrade to 396, from the graphics PPA
[20:09] <Dbugger> update my propietary drivers, you mean?
[20:09] <blackflow> yes
[20:10] <Dbugger> let me see, if I can find them in my "Software & Updates" panel
[20:10] <Dbugger> I am currently using 390
[20:11] <memphisto> theres 396.24
[20:11] <Dbugger> blackflow, the graphics PPA? I never heard that
[20:11] <memphisto> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[20:11] <blackflow> Dbugger: that's teh stable one from the restricted repo. but it has issues. I had gnome crash very often with 390 so I upgraded to 396 from teh PPA and that fixed it.
[20:11] <memphisto> follow the "Adding this PPA to your system" from that page
[20:11] <Dbugger> well, let me see... ill try to find it and add it
[20:12] <qwebirc52568> hello please i install apache2 but now i can't start :(
[20:12] <Dbugger> I know how to add it, I just did not know such a thing existed
[20:12] <Dbugger> do I need to restart to make the drivers work?
[20:12] <blackflow> yup
[20:13] <Dbugger> updating...
[20:13] <Dbugger> weird, because I dont see anything that says "396", just 390
[20:13] <qwebirc52568> my apache2 is not work :( This page isn’t working
[20:13] <Dbugger> wow, this ppa is SUPER slow o_O
[20:13] <oerheks> qwebirc52568, and what guide do you follow? what ubuntu version?
[20:14] <oerheks> maybe you better seek help in #ubuntu-server
[20:14] <qwebirc52568> 18.04 tls :) 64bit   and i follow command service apache2 start but it's not work