[09:39] <nico8481> and it wasn't even really playing the videos, just displayed the first few frames then stopped
[09:39] <samuli> I've tried lot's of distros lately and nothing I like more than kubuntu/ubuntu
[09:39] <DennisNuel> is it normal to get lockup problems with propritary nvidia drivers in kubuntu flight7
[09:40] <AzteK> really like the button that minimize's all your screen into small windows and then you can click one and that one goes to the front
[09:40] <AzteK> works really well
[09:40] <AzteK> yeah me too
[09:40] <AzteK> the kororaa livecd is more of a demo of the Xgl system
[09:40] <samuli> nothing but mepis comes even close, and mepis is essentialy same as kubuntu.
[09:40] <AzteK> that's why i asked
[09:40] <samuli> even same repositories.
[09:40] <samuli> aztek, o-kay.
[09:41] <samuli> I doubt it would run on my hardware, but out of curiosity, I might try that out later.
[09:42] <samuli> By the way, I used to have hard times about firefox plugins in breezy, but since I've upgraded to dapper everything works like a charm.
[09:42] <AzteK> ok it's really light weight
[09:42] <AzteK> i used it on my old laptop it has a nvidia 440 in it
[09:42] <samuli> I don't even need mplayer.. just totem-plugins.
[09:42] <AzteK> and it run's relaly well
[09:42] <paolo_> hello boys
[09:42] <paolo_> I want install mplayer
[09:42] <samuli> Aztek, I'm sure it runs on nvidia.
[09:42] <paolo_> is it possibile in Kubuntu?
[09:43] <samuli> ati is a different beast though.
[09:43] <v4l3> where am i?
[09:43] <samuli> paolo, yeah.
[09:43] <AzteK> jupz i know i have been working on that almost the entire weekend
[09:43] <AzteK> i have ati card in my new laptop
[09:43] <AzteK> it crashed after like 1 minute or so
[09:43] <paolo_> samuli, what can I install mplayer??
[09:43] <paolo_> I have try apt-get install mplayer
[09:44] <samuli> and newer ati's are supposed to be much better though :)
[09:44] <paolo_> but without resoluts
[09:44] <samuli> and add sudo in front
[09:44] <AzteK> seems to be a driver issue but can't get the ati driver from the ati website to install
[09:44] <samuli> mplayer-386 or mplayer-686 me thinks.
[09:44] <paolo_> ok, I try
[09:45] <samuli> Aztek, what does your xorg.conf say?
[09:45] <AzteK> samuli, which part
[09:45] <AzteK> (driver fglrx )
[09:47] <samuli> Aztek. perhaps make a backup of it and then sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:47] <samuli> but ok, you probably have the ati replaced with flgrx anyways.
[09:47] <samuli> or fglrx even.
[09:48] <samuli> aztek, is there something with the version from the repos?
[09:48] <declan> hello. does anyone know how to get a trust webcam to work?
[09:48] <AzteK> yeah i can't figure out what's wrong
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, because i get hard locks
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, i can't find anything that reports what's going on
[09:49] <samuli> aztek, ok.
[09:49] <AzteK> samuli, anyway i just have to wait i think
[09:49] <samuli> Well, I'm not sure if the drivers from ati directly are any better.
[09:50] <samuli> aztek, yeah.. perhaps update to dapper for one thing.
[09:50] <AzteK> yeah i already run dapper flight 7
[09:51] <samuli> aztek, ok. I got my opengl problems pretty much solved (and there was lot in breezy)
[09:51] <samuli> what I did was (first made sure I had restricted-modules installed) then sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx && sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <samuli> and the rebooted. That was it :
[09:52] <AzteK> yeah my opengl runs fine i mean i can run games an everything
[09:52] <samuli> oh, ok.
[09:52] <samuli> Well forget about xgl, compiz, composite and the like.. my advice to you.
[09:52] <samuli> they're not ready.
[09:53] <AzteK> yeah i know especially on in combination with ati although i really like it :)
[09:54] <samuli> it's like running e17 as a wm or dm. It's cool, it's light, and just very appealing. Other than the fact it isn't finished and crashers once in a minute and in the worst case borgs your box.
[09:55] <AzteK> samuli, yeah e17 looks really great
[09:55] <AzteK> if it wasn't so unstable on my machine i would use that at the moment
[09:55] <AzteK> now i just use plain old kde :)
[09:55] <samuli> Can't wait for that to be released.
[09:56] <samuli> and even more so, because I'm not exactly running up-to-date system.
[09:56] <samuli> but from what I gather, it's perhaps never finished.
[09:57] <inteliwasp> how do i safely eject a pcmcia card?
[09:57] <AzteK> i think linux desktop's are improving rapidly these last 6 to 12 months
[09:57] <AzteK> and i really like that they are making the desktop's look nicer
[09:58] <poimen> join #kubuntu-devel
[09:58] <AzteK> makes it look more pro for the general public
[09:59] <MenZa> Wheee
[09:59] <MenZa> I finally printed my Kubuntu stickers
[09:59] <inteliwasp> ayone?
[09:59] <paolo_> Do you know when will exit the stable 6.06 Kubuntu version???
[09:59] <MenZa> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1016173&postcount=35
[10:00] <ciga> anyone with dapper please try this:
[10:00] <ciga> '<bUscher> my konqueror crash when I try to select -> Xgl  Hello NVIDIA's libGL, I require an OpenGL Context for my rendering" <- on http://principe.homelinux.net/ via doubleclick, kde 3.5.2 gentoo'
[10:00] <ciga> konqueror crashes for me also.
[10:01] <paolo_> boys???
[10:02] <paolo_> When will exit the 6.06 Kubuntu version??
[10:03] <samuli> AzteK: It looks a lot better than windows as it is, and not so many people actually care about that.
[10:03] <_rodney> is there updated eagle stuff yet that works ?
[10:03] <kbrooks> paolo_: june 1
[10:03] <kbrooks> !kubuntu
[10:03] <ubotu> rumour has it, kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE  ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[10:04] <kbrooks> !dapper
[10:04] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[10:04] <kbrooks> oh, this
[10:04] <paolo_> Tje first of june??
[10:04] <AzteK> yeah it's not like people will throw away there games/apps because of that the nice looking desktop
[10:04] <paolo_> wery well
[10:05] <paolo_> But, why for install a programm I must download from internet?
[10:05] <AzteK> but i still think it's very important to have a nice looking desktop to show of distro
[10:05] <paolo_> With other LINUX usualy I have 3CD
[10:05] <AzteK> it all depends on the person anyway
[10:06] <samuli> Aztek, or just for the basic usability. While there's a lot of things in current distros that work better and more intuitive than in windows, there's still a lot more that just doesn't.
[10:06] <samuli> Not without extensive tweaking anyways.
[10:06] <samuli> Yeah, I'm sort of talking about the 'general public'
[10:07] <AzteK> jupz
[10:07] <AzteK> i know what you mean what i really would like ( and where getting close i think ) is that if i install a distro all the links and program's in shows in the menu actually work
[10:08] <AzteK> and that every program windows come's standard with is at least matched
[10:08] <AzteK> so that it just works
[10:08] <munzir> goldenear: hi ;)
[10:08] <samuli> Distro needs to do everything windows does and more to be succesful.
[10:09] <AzteK> jupz although i would settle for the same at the moment
[10:09] <AzteK> functionality wise that is
[10:09] <samuli> because things like streaming video in firefox are what people like, and if you can't easily push 'install needed plug-ins' they just turn away.
[10:09] <AzteK> jupz very true
[10:09] <AzteK> also not spending hour's getting wpa setup would also be nice
[10:10] <samuli> yeah.
[10:10] <munzir> goldenear: I am installing your nice twinkle package and would like to test it
[10:10] <samuli> or 2 days to get screensaver not to crash.
[10:10] <samuli> (when it hits one the opengl ones)
[10:11] <AzteK> jupz had that before now i only have 2 opengl one's in my list ( there those from reallyslick.com )
[10:11] <samuli> to me, they could just be direct rendered and ugly.. or just blank screen.. not many people care about that that much really.
[10:11] <AzteK> jupz
[10:11] <AzteK> blank screen would be good
[10:11] <AzteK> but i now use the hyperspace one
[10:11] <AzteK> and it make's alott of people ask me what it is
[10:12] <AzteK> then i am like it's ubuntu which is really nice you can give it a try with a live cd etc etc
[10:12] <samuli> I use blankscreen.. not because I have to, but just to be sure it doesn't crash. (it did that way too often in breezy)
[10:12] <AzteK> ( but only if they seem intrested enough i don't want to come over like a linux zealot )
[10:12] <samuli> hehe :)
[10:12] <AzteK> like you have to use it you have to that just scares people away
[10:13] <samuli> my friends come up here and browse the internet like there's no difference.
[10:13] <samuli> nobody seems to care much :)
[10:13] <AzteK> my former employer used to do that sometime's even i would feel like not using linux anymore sooooo scary :)
[10:13] <AzteK> jupz
[10:14] <AzteK> and i really like to use that angle that people don't care as long as it works
[10:16] <samuli> Funny thing is that to me why not tolerating windows has a lot do with the ease of use really.
[10:16] <samuli> I just don't like it anymore and the way it looks is just eye-sore :)
[10:17] <samuli> but when I started experimenting with linux it wasn't like that at all.. Feeling clueless isn't nice.
[10:17] <_rodney> as if kde and xp looko that much different......
[10:17] <AzteK> i can work we'll with both and i see a lott of good things in windows ( i might get kicked and banned for saying someting like this )
[10:17] <samuli> rodney, They do actually. (although I still prefer gnome)
[10:18] <samuli> rodney, kde is just a lot more polished, sort of like I imagine vista will be like.
[10:18] <_rodney> the prob with windows is yer locked out of yer own computer if you install it....
[10:18] <AzteK> espescially linux should have a mode where it hides strange error's
[10:18] <AzteK> _rodney, why?
[10:18] <_rodney> closed source ?
[10:18] <AzteK> yeah sow a lott of people use that as a argument
[10:18] <samuli> some basic things in windows are just lacking.. like file systems for example.
[10:19] <_rodney> they dont need support others tho ?
[10:19] <_rodney> if you use windows you dont need resier support...yada
[10:19] <samuli> ever gone from a linux distribution to windows and hear how much your harddrive is working.. It's almost brutal.
[10:19] <samuli> and other thing is that the drives fragment.
[10:20] <AzteK> yeah but those are all minor things i think
[10:20] <_rodney> well
[10:20] <AzteK> like the reiserfs thing
[10:20] <samuli> something that doesn't happen in linux, and while ntfs is better fat32 is PRONE to errors.
[10:20] <AzteK> yeah luckely i come's almost default with ntfs but still i know what you mean
[10:20] <_rodney> well thats how they like it ;)
[10:20] <AzteK> i can get ext3 on my windows
[10:21] <AzteK> it's really easy i use it through total commander
[10:21] <samuli> well it's not nice to do chkdsk every time your windows crasches.
[10:21] <_rodney> lol
[10:21] <AzteK> yeah but's thats the same if you use ext2
[10:21] <imran_> noobie question: I have widescreen.. kubuntu just stretches out everything so rather than giving me more room with everything normal size, everything is fat.. any setting I can change??
[10:21] <cvasilak> hello there, how can i disable ipv6 from loading at boot i am using dapper drake
[10:21] <frepe> Is there an irc channel for pygtk GUI development?
[10:21] <samuli> aztek, well.. there isn't any reason to use ext2 is there? :)
[10:21] <robotgeek> frepe: on irc.gnome.org
[10:21] <AzteK> yeah i know
[10:21] <frepe> robotgeek: Thanks.
[10:22] <robotgeek> frepe: #pygtk, there.
[10:22] <AzteK> but to make a statement it's like the change rate of fs in window's isn't that fast
[10:22] <_rodney> theres no question modern linux distros are much better than windows alreadyy... have been for some years
[10:22] <_rodney> even for noob users....
[10:22] <frepe> robotgeek: Thanks again! :)
[10:22] <AzteK> it's not like they don't know there like damn we don't have a journaling filesystem in our desktop
[10:22] <samuli> but my point is still valid whatever you think of the file systems. Some basic things are done better in linux than in windows.
[10:22] <_rodney> most*
[10:23] <AzteK> _rodney i am sorry but i totally disagree there isn't a linux distro out there at the moment the can match what the general public want's
[10:23] <samuli> aztek, yeah they don't. but it's someting you can tell them. "You don't need to worry about crashing your file system anymore"
[10:23] <_rodney> lol?
[10:23] <_rodney> seriously ? AzteK  ?
[10:23] <AzteK> samuli, owyeah i totally agree and i still hope linux will come out on top
[10:24] <_rodney> sitting in kubuntu channel lol ?
[10:24] <samuli> have you never missed some windows dll's because windows crashed and HD was just reading that part of the system?
[10:24] <_rodney> prolly
[10:24] <AzteK> _rodney, yeah seriously i am not kidding you
[10:24] <imran_> any widescreen users?
[10:24] <AzteK> yeah only in windows 98
[10:24] <samuli> what you get is error messages and perhaps not a booting system at all.
[10:24] <AzteK> never in windows xp
[10:24] <_rodney> well i cant understand your reasoning...
[10:25] <_rodney> xp can be bad heh
[10:25] <AzteK> _rodney, so i insert my ubuntu cd i boot up and i have to walk over to my other laptop to check the website how to get wpa working
[10:25] <_rodney> try  it without drivers/inet....
[10:26] <_rodney> well ....
[10:26] <AzteK> ok i can just use a cable to begin with but on my windows install it workes out of the box
[10:26] <_rodney> you have to read for some stuff ?
[10:26] <AzteK> it's a small thing ofcourse
[10:26] <_rodney> oh
[10:26] <AzteK> yeah wpa isn't built in the networking menu
[10:26] <samuli> _rodney, people don't generally like to read up. They just like to use what they got.
[10:27] <AzteK> again i don't mind checking out how wpa_supplicant works because i actually like learning
[10:27] <AzteK> but's thats just me/us
[10:27] <samuli> but general public isn't fair in some ways either. There's lots of extensive courses to use and maintain windows and all that.
[10:27] <samuli> but nobody seems to be interested to learn linux to the same extent.
[10:27] <_rodney> true
[10:27] <AzteK> most people want a simple screen that the can click on and it works
[10:27] <AzteK> jupz
[10:27] <_rodney> dont you @?
[10:27] <_rodney> lol
[10:27] <_rodney> i do
[10:27] <samuli> so.. they come and say it's not good, because it doesn't behave like windows.
[10:28] <_rodney> if i want to think i can click on a shel...
[10:28] <_rodney> theres only small hardware stuff like wpa etc..
[10:28] <_rodney> most is click to go after install now...
[10:28] <rnunes> hi
[10:28] <AzteK> webcam's for the lady's?
[10:28] <_rodney> well i dont know ....
[10:29] <samuli> installation might not be the bad thing.
[10:29] <_rodney> not sorted ?
[10:29] <samuli> althought gparted is borged in flight 7 and that's not a good thing.
[10:29] <rnunes> there's someone who can tell me how can i do to add\remove programs in kubunto v5.0?
[10:29] <rnunes> please
[10:29] <_rodney> adept / no kde menu
[10:30] <AzteK> i know a lott of girls that only chat and type homework/projects that would switch if they only could do that
[10:30] <_rodney> system / Package Manager (adept)
[10:30] <samuli> rnunes, have you tried the add/remove programs? :)
[10:30] <AzteK> they don't play games and get pissed if there ie breaks again or they get a virus that eat's up there homework
[10:30] <_rodney> for adding/removing progs
[10:31] <AzteK> they switch if the desktop is just a little bit better
[10:31] <rnunes> i can't find it
[10:31] <samuli> rnunes, adept is better yeah, but it might take a while to understand the whole package thing. (It's worth it though)
[10:31] <rnunes> i'm install this on last thurd
[10:32] <rnunes> and i don't understand this
[10:32] <samuli> rnunes, you mean you're not thru with the install?
[10:32] <rnunes> i don't know
[10:32] <samuli> just wait and reboot to the actual installed system.
[10:32] <_toni> german?
[10:32] <rnunes> if have installed the kubuntu
[10:32] <rnunes> there's something else?
[10:33] <samuli> rnunes, yeah. you can add programs as you like.
[10:33] <rnunes> how?
[10:33] <rnunes> i do't know
[10:33] <Kissaki> evning
[10:33] <_rodney> just type adept in a shell ?
[10:33] <_toni> is her a german guy?
[10:34] <AzteK> anyway's it's just as it is wit everything in this world if you have the general public on your side your golden
[10:34] <_rodney> if you cant find it on the kde menu thing
[10:34] <rnunes> someone told me that ther was some link in the Kmenu but i can't find it
[10:34] <samuli> rnunes, I'm not in the kubuntu right now, but from memory -< 'K'-menu, administration --> adept
[10:34] <samuli> rnunes, it should be in the same place where's on in windows.
[10:34] <AzteK> rnunes, are you in console or in like a nice grafical window?
[10:35] <rnunes> nice graphical windowsa
[10:35] <AzteK> rnuses, ok
[10:35] <AzteK> hi Kissaki
[10:36] <AzteK> sorry, missed you on intial entry :P
[10:36] <_toni> mah bist du noch da?
[10:36] <samuli> I'm gonna log in to the kde for fun.
[10:37] <Negrita> _toni try #kubuntu-de
[10:38] <mah> Hm. :)
[10:40] <Negrita> rnunes the correct path to Adept is K menu > System > package Manager (Adept)
[10:42] <Samuli^> funny thing is that.. I didn't remember I don't have kde installed,
[10:43] <rnunes> and what do i do next to instaall some program?
[10:45] <Negrita> go through the list of programs and choose one you want. Click on Install Program and then at the top click on commit Changes
[10:47] <rnunes> yes but and the download programs? i do i do it
[10:48] <Negrita> Adept will download the program for you from the repository together with all it's dependencies and install the for you.
[10:49] <Negrita> And guess what ---  you won't have to restart your compuetr afterwards like with windows :-)
[10:50] <rnunes> :)
[10:51] <rnunes> so if i want to install a new download program how shoud i proceed?
[10:52] <raf> hello all, if I type this -> "apt-get update", does it install the updates or just download the updates?
[10:53] <Negrita> rnunes if you know the name of the program, you could type it's name in the Adept search bar
[10:53] <raf> I question that because after "apt-get update" my Kubuntu looks different, other icons, more icons in system tray, my trashcan icon looks smaller
[10:54] <kettenschutz> hey there
[10:54] <kettenschutz> how to stop the X-Server here to install the nvidia driver
[10:55] <apokryphos> kettenschutz: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:57] <NICO-S> Bonsoir.
[10:58] <NICO-S> Hi everyone !
[10:58] <NICO-S> Someone here ?
[10:58] <raf> hello all, if I type this -> "apt-get update", does it install the updates or just download the updates?
[10:58] <raf> I question that because after "apt-get update" my Kubuntu looks different, other icons, more icons in system tray, my trashcan icon looks smaller
[10:59] <NICO-S> Someone can help me with the ATI Driver installation plz ?
[11:00] <NICO-S> dunno raf ^^ Sorry.
[11:00] <raf> NICO-S: np
[11:01] <raf> how can I know if a package is fully upgraded? or if it's the last version?
[11:02] <NICO-S> try 'Adept' i think.
[11:02] <apokryphos> raf: dpkg -l|grep packagename
[11:12] <slow-motion> n8
[11:12] <bessonovs> it work
[11:12] <bessonovs> people, it
[11:13] <bessonovs> work
[11:13] <_patrick> Guys I need to edit my sources.list to get my package manager working again. What directory should that be. I did a search, but haven't found it yet.
[11:16] <ahmeni> _patrick: /etc/apt
[11:16] <AzteK> _patrick, you mean the file sources.list?
[11:17] <raf> apokryphos: thanks
[11:18] <raf> well, what if I try to remoev a package and "apt-get remove package_name" doesn't work?
[11:18] <raf> it returns this ->/var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm: line 12: db_get: command not found
[11:19] <raf> dpkg: error processing phpmyadmin (--remove):
[11:19] <raf>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am having huge lags in the connection using WIFI...
[11:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am having 5s of lag in freenode by now,....... :(
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have a D-Link router.. do you have any idea on how to speed up?
[11:20] <h3sp4wn> which model ?
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[11:20] <_patrick> Yes. I'm trying to find exactly that file to find out what to edit.
[11:20] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: I have sometimes over 5min lag but it's only for freenode server. Channel lag is few hundred ms.
[11:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> DI-624+
[11:21] <ahmeni> raf: weird, db_get seems to be a part of the package localization-config, reinstalling that might help
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> even pinging a friend of mine i got 2s of lag
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> speaking in skype was impossible
[11:21] <_patrick> Should I use the file finder to search for it our Konqueror
[11:21] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: have you pinged your router?
[11:21] <raf> ahmeni: apt-get doesn't allow me to reinstall
[11:21] <ahmeni> _patrick: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 2.29 ms
[11:22] <_patrick> Yes, it got corrupted and the package manager can't open because of it.
[11:22] <Fri13> Tallia1Kubuntu: then if you get few ms to router, it should not be up to you that lag.
[11:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Fri13: do you have any idea? it seems pinging the router is fast
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wait... i have a DSL modem after the router
[11:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> could be that one?
[11:23] <ahmeni> _patrick: there's a backup located in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Is wpa working ?
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: Try a upgrading the router firmware to the latest version
[11:24] <_patrick> OK I'll write that one down.
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wpa?
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ah, no
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it didn't
[11:24] <ahmeni> raf: ack, you could try grabbing the .deb by hand and using dpkg -i to install it
[11:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno why, and i can't do tons of tries since to reset the router i have to go in my neihgbour place
[11:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> by now i will just use WEP
[11:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's only to keep people out
[11:25] <_patrick> How do I enable the backup to take its place.
[11:26] <raf> ahmeni: well, thanks
[11:26] <_patrick> Can I use terminal and put that new backup in place.
[11:27] <ahmeni> _patrick: you could, but that file looks like it's missing a lot that the normal config would have
[11:28] <_patrick> OK.
[11:29] <raf> when I type "dpkg -l" it shows a list of packages and its status, but, what means the two letters  in the first column? ii, rc, ri
[11:29] <_patrick> I will look for the etc/apt/sources.list. What would be the easiest way to find it and edit it correctly.
[11:31] <ahmeni> _patrick: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <ahmeni> in a terminal or with KDE's run command
[11:32] <_patrick> After I find it, how best to edit it.
[11:35] <Fri13> I have now tryed to install kubuntu my system. I have done everything about hardware (taking off every PCI card/usb device) and trying use noacpi commands and readed those infos. Trying to do server install and checked MD5sum of image, and checked media. If i use that no acpi command for install, it gives "kernel panic" but if i dont use it. It just hangs to boot when loading kernel. Live mode still works like charm (now using it) and i cant find any
[11:35] <Fri13> ew beta installer from live crash.
[11:37] <Fri13> And if i try debian-installer/probe/usb=false it starts saying that usb device answer to rebound and it just count numbers up so long that i only let it do it.
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: You could try doing a debootstrap install
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> !debootstrap
[11:40] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: and how i do that?
[11:41] <_patrick> No luck finding it ahmeni. I'm trying. Terminal doesn't bring up the sources.list file.
[11:43] <MasterEvilAce> hey, few questions about kubuntu. I have good experience with linux, but i'm no expert. I've used a few linux distros, most recently SuSE. It's awesome. Looking to try out kubuntu, though. If i download 6.06, will it be easy to upgrade when the full version comes out (in june? and when in june is that expected?) also, any problems with installing on a laptop? Dell Inspiron 8000, and is there an FTP install option?
[11:44] <apokryphos> MasterEvilAce: upgrading to full version is one command, and it's expected early June (current date is June 1st)
[11:44] <apokryphos> it should install and run just fine on a laptop yup =)
[11:44] <apokryphos> there isn't really a net install supported, but it is possible. /msg ubotu install
[11:45] <apokryphos> the LiveCD has an installer though, which is very nice
[11:45] <MasterEvilAce> easy upgrade? awesome. also, is the software pretty up to date, also? SuSE's official sources were a bit lagged behind at times
[11:46] <MasterEvilAce> notably firefox 1.5 was out for awhile but they still had 1.0.3
[11:47] <Fri13> is there any command to get reposity lists?
[11:47] <Fri13> i need find a multiverse reposity
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: If you know what you are doing try the netboot image http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[11:48] <MasterEvilAce> thanks
[11:49] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: how i do that 'debootstrap install' ?
[11:57] <kbrooks> can i talk about linux and windows?
[11:58] <kbrooks> fixed the topic
[11:59] <h3sp4wn> Fri13: Boot in the live cd ; aptitude install debootstrap; partition manually (or use the suse ones); read the debootstrap man page (The instructions on a 32 bit chroot on amd 64 will help you) - But only try it if really your other options definately don't work
[12:00] <Fri13> h3sp4wn: ok, i will try that tommorrow if it is only way.... Good night!


[01:05] <Budgie^Smore> Hey lazyPower have you run a redis cluster in k8s yet?
[01:08] <lazyPwr> Budgie^Smore: Its been a minute, but yeah it was part of the petstore examples
[01:09] <Budgie^Smore> yeah I was thinking of doing it stateful :)
[01:09] <Budgie^Smore> although the google example only uses rcs
[01:09] <lazyPwr> StatefulSet
[01:09] <Budgie^Smore> yup
[01:09] <lazyPwr> that would be a solid contribution back to their examples dir too
[01:10] <Budgie^Smore> watching Hightower at RedisConf right now
[01:11] <lazyPwr> Right on :)  Got a livestream link?
[01:11] <Budgie^Smore> just a youtube vid from last year
[01:11] <Budgie^Smore> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hlv9iIncik&list=PL83Wfqi-zYZHtHoGv3PcGQA3lvE9p1eRl&index=16
[07:58] <kjackal> Good morning Juju World!
[11:52] <anrah> Hi! What is the username that each node uses when connecting with controller?
[11:53] <anrah> I can see the password on agent.conf but I don't figure out the username
[12:00] <lorenzotomasini> tvansteenburgh: thanks, we will for sure make use of the new version of the juju lib as soon as possible, but i think that we won't be able to migrate to the new one in time for the MWC demo
[12:45] <pranav> Hi Folks. Does anyone know if charms for openstack release are available yet?
[12:47] <pranav> sorry i meant openstack ocata release
[13:54] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: have you seen scripts bombing out due to "OSError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" before?
[13:54] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: yes, was just working on that yesterday
[13:55] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: typically happens when you don't clean up connections before closing the event loop
[13:55] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: any clue on what tossed it? the failures are coming out of python code vs my code so not sure wtf happend
[13:55] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: oic
[13:55] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: i can look at code or hangout if you want
[13:55] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: that's a good hint. I'm not cleaning stuff up. Will poke at it
[13:55] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: cool, lmk if i can help
[13:55] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: https://pastebin.canonical.com/180649/ is what I'm hacking on atm
[13:56] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: so assume I need to add some cleanup to my stress runs
[13:59] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h: yeah you probably want to await cont.disconnect() and await stress.disconnect() at the end of the stress func
[13:59] <rick_h> tvansteenburgh: makes sense ty
[18:31] <jamespage> marcoceppi: ok our openstack charms release is all clear - feel free to move charm-helpers when you're ready
[18:31] <jamespage> if there is anything I can do to help just shout
[18:31] <marcoceppi> jamespage: thanks!
[18:34] <mimizone> hi all.
[18:35] <mimizone> after creating a juju controller via maas, when deploying a model to the same machine, the machine-0 endsup in the "down" state. How can I investigate?
[18:35] <mimizone> I did the 2 following commands
[18:35] <mimizone> juju bootstrap r16maas --debug --to osv16ocp1b
[18:35] <mimizone> juju deploy juju-gui --to osv16ocp1b
[18:36] <mimizone> I use Ubuntu Xenial, Juju 2.1.0 and MAAS 2.1.3
[18:37] <mimizone> when sshing into the "machine 0", the juju-machine-0 service can't be started. It says it's not found.
[18:48] <stormmore> anyone care to explain to me the logic behind having the controller model instead of having the controller be part of the default model?
[18:56] <rick_h> stormmore: because folks would bootstrap and start deploying
[18:56] <rick_h> stormmore: and the controller model cannot be destroyed
[18:56] <rick_h> stormmore: so this way, folks are put into a safe place right after bootstrap, the controller model is kept apart, and users are encouraged to use the default, create their own, and eventually remove the default model all safely
[19:06] <stormmore> rick_h, I get that. Just seems over kill to have to assign a full machine / instance for juju. Not so big a deal with cloud instances but bare metal...
[19:07] <rick_h> stormmore: you're completely free to switch over there and run things there
[19:07] <rick_h> stormmore: that tends to be the use when folks use one controller per deploy, but in a multi-model world models are cheap
[19:07] <jhobbs> stormmore i usually make a VM on the server that's running MAAS and put the controller on it
[19:07] <rick_h> so having one machine be the controller for dozens of models is what we're defaulting to
[19:07] <rick_h> stormmore: what jhobbs said ^
[19:08] <rick_h> I know of folks that setup a lxd, register it in maas, and deploy to it in that way
[19:08] <stormmore> rick_h, oh I know that too, just saying. most likely I will go multimodel at some point
[19:08] <rick_h> stormmore: but especially if you head toward HA/etc we default to the middle ground
[19:08] <rick_h> not too scale down, not so scale up
[19:08] <stormmore> jhobbs, yeah that is the conclusion I came to too ;-)
[19:08] <rick_h> for us it's a case of sane/safe defaults. There's more options available that will hopefully work for what you need
[19:10] <stormmore> rick_h, I actually thought about doing it as an LXD on the same node I was installing MaaS on but was wondering if it would be better to have it on the node that is going to be the cluster master and run other services on it
[19:10] <rick_h> stormmore: I guess "better" with what criteria is the question
[19:14] <stormmore> rick_h, well the basic objective is to minimize the amount of resources required for managing a cluster. for instance I am planning on moving the maas postgres db into the cluster once it fully up
[19:15] <rick_h> stormmore: interesting
[19:15] <stormmore> The plan is to have a bootstrap node that it "removed" once a data center is fully functional
[19:16] <stormmore> yes it means making sure everything is HA
[19:37] <stormmore> rick_h, am I understanding you correctly, people are getting maas to manage some LXD containers as well as other bare-metal?
[19:39] <jhobbs> yeah, i've never heard of that :) if that's possible I'd like to know more
[19:39]  * rick_h checks his sources
[19:40] <stormmore> you and me both jhobbs :) to me even VMs seems overkill for building a management node
[19:40] <rick_h> ah, kvm is what I'm thinking of: https://blog.felipe-alfaro.com/2014/05/29/how-to-configure-maas-to-be-able-to-boot-kvm-virtual-machines/ and the like
[19:41] <mimizone> still having issues here with the machine-0 reported down in the juju status. fresh bootstrap install via maas/physical, and trying to put the juju-gui on the machine-0
[19:41] <stormmore> yeah I was pondering that, just not as experienced with KVM as other virt tech :-/
[19:41] <rick_h> http://askubuntu.com/questions/665741/how-to-create-a-lxd-container-on-a-machine-and-register-it-in-maas for the lxd side
[19:41] <rick_h> mimizone: what version of juju?
[19:41] <mimizone> juju 2.1.0-xenial-amd64
[19:41] <rick_h> mimizone: juju gui comes bundled ootb
[19:42] <rick_h> mimizone: just run juju-gui
[19:42] <rick_h> sorry
[19:42] <rick_h> "juju gui"
[19:42] <rick_h> as for the reporting of down, is the machine down? can you ssh to it?
[19:42] <rick_h> mimizone: this is after you "juju switch controller" and see machine 0 there?
[19:42] <mimizone> yes I can ssh to the machine and I see jujud-machine-0 service is up
[19:43] <mimizone> juju switch controller? I must have read the wrong documentation, never saw this step
[19:43] <rick_h> mimizone: right, so in juju 2, there is the ability to operate multiple models
[19:44] <rick_h> mimizone: and out of the box, you end up on an empty model w/o access to the controller itself so that it's safe
[19:44] <rick_h> mimizone: you can switch to the controller and see machine 0 by using "juju switch controller"
[19:44] <rick_h> mimizone: check out 'juju models' as well
[19:44] <rick_h> mimizone: but the gui is built in so you can just run the 'juju gui' command and get it to open up.
[19:45] <mimizone> Aaaaaaahh :) much better with the right explanation :)
[19:45] <mimizone> good to see the gui is built in
[19:45] <rick_h> mimizone: if you're new to juju2 I'd check out https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/introducing-2
[19:45] <mimizone> rick_h: thanks
[19:45] <rick_h> mimizone: and some videos from the past: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=juju+2.0
[19:46] <mimizone> I will check. I am doing all this for the JOID model for OPNFV
[19:48] <mimizone> rick_h: thanks again. was completely far from understanding all the changes.
[19:49] <rick_h> mimizone: all good, let us know if you have any questions
[19:49] <rick_h> mimizone: hopefully some goodness in there for you to discover
[19:49] <stormmore> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/01/15/virtualbox-extensions-for-maas/ is what I am using for inspiration right now
[19:55] <stormmore> hey lazyPower so 2 days with a restart on kube-dns :)
[20:35] <petevg> cory_fu, kwmonroe: https://github.com/juju-solutions/matrix/pull/84
[21:39] <petevg> kwmonroe: thx for the +1. I went ahead and merged the code :-)
[21:42] <kwmonroe> i trust you completely petevg :)
[21:42] <petevg> I will strive to live up to your trust. Or something :-)
[22:06] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: does this look familiar?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24061228/  i just built a local jenkins charm, now it's complaining about layer.options('basic')
[22:08] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: o_O  The function is definitely there: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/blob/master/lib/charms/layer/__init__.py
[22:09] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: Any chance you have an old copy of layer-basic checked out locally?
[22:09] <kwmonroe> lol cory_fu, my bad
[22:10] <kwmonroe> i'm dumb... "find . -name __init__.py -delete" is rarely what you wanna do.
[22:10] <cory_fu> ha
[22:10] <cory_fu> I was about to be worried
[22:10] <kwmonroe> nothing like a catastrophic layer-basic failure at 5pm on a friday, #amirite?
[22:11] <cory_fu> :)