[09:04] <bugabundo_work> hi
[09:05] <bugabundo_work> bug #269904 and its dupes is at it again! it was fixed for me up until yesterday
[09:13] <elmargol> Hi i still have a very anoying nvidia related bug #270617 can someone help me to triage this bug please?
[09:14] <bugabundo_work> isn't that a dupe of  bug #269904, elmargol ?
[09:16] <elmargol> bugabundo_work: no this is different
[09:40] <bugabundo_work> good morning tseliot
[09:40] <tseliot> bugabundo_work: good morning
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> I guess you will a full morning with the re-appearing refresh probs of nvidia driver, enh tseliot ?
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> bug #269904
[09:45] <elmargol> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17626936/P1000269.JPG <- thats how the desktop looks if the driver crashes
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> xiii
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> that's bad
[09:47] <tseliot> bugabundo_work: Aaron Plattner (from NVIDIA) replied there
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> never  saw that one before
[09:47] <tseliot> that's not something I can fix
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> ah thanks tseliot
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> it wasn't there when I checked it this morning
[09:48] <bugabundo_work> and since kdepim went belly up, I can't check my email either
[09:49] <elmargol> bugabundo_work: i try setting the cpu to powersave now.. .lets see if this fixes the issue
[10:06] <tjaalton> wgrant: success! my server hangs now just like yours :)
[10:07] <tjaalton> hmm, will rebuild the server too
[10:07] <tjaalton> oh, ssh still works
[10:08] <wgrant> tjaalton: I was beginning to suspect -synaptics, but I guess this discounts that.
[10:10] <elmargol> crashes again :(
[10:11] <elmargol> God why didn't I buy intel :(
[10:13] <tjaalton> wgrant: yep
[10:15] <tjaalton> wgrant: it could still be just a problem of wrong order of builds
[10:15] <tjaalton> (gdb) bt full
[10:15] <tjaalton> #0  0x0817cb06 in XIGetDeviceProperty ()
[10:15] <tjaalton> No symbol table info available.
[10:15] <tjaalton> #1  0x0817e5c2 in ProcXGetDeviceProperty ()
[10:16] <tjaalton> I'll rebuild the server and driver
[10:16] <wgrant> Hmm.
[10:16] <wgrant> Interesting.
[10:17] <wgrant> We definitely want to get the deps and conflicts right before the primary upload.
[10:18] <tjaalton> oh really?-)
[10:18] <tjaalton> and they should be, but probably not on my PPA
[10:18] <wgrant> Actually, deps and breaks.
[10:19] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[10:20] <wgrant> Will it let old input drivers stick around, or does it utilise some virtual package like video drivers/
[10:20] <tjaalton> what does?
[10:20] <wgrant> The input drivers' dependencies on an Xserver ABI.
[10:21] <tjaalton> if they use properties, they need to be rebuilt
[10:21] <tjaalton> so that's only synaptics and evdev
[10:21] <tjaalton> for now..
[10:21] <wgrant> Right, but do we need to manually add a Breaks on them to xserver-xorg?
[10:21] <wgrant> Or people who only partially upgrade are going to be very broken.
[10:21] <wgrant> I recall seb128 was last time.
[10:22] <wgrant> And it'll be worse now that we have lots of users.
[10:22] <tjaalton> yes, some safeguard must be in place
[10:22] <elmargol> Maybe I should downgrade to the hardy kernel :(
[10:23] <tseliot> elmargol: why downgrade?
[10:23] <tjaalton> elmargol: then you can't use the nvidia blob at all
[10:23] <elmargol> well I can use the nvidia driver from the nvidia site...
[10:24] <tjaalton> sure
[10:24] <tseliot> what's the problem?
[10:27] <elmargol> bug #270617
[10:27] <elmargol> bug #278029
[10:28] <tjaalton> does it work with another OS?
[10:28] <elmargol> tjaalton: it works using hardy
[10:31] <tjaalton> k
[10:31] <elmargol> Later this day I try to boot it on my Desktop PC... it has a different nvidia gpu lets see if this fixes it
[10:44] <tjaalton> wgrant: think I found the problem.. XIGetProperty changes were not properly backported.. will change and rebuild to see for sure
[10:48] <wgrant> tjaalton: Aha. That would do it. Thanks for tracking this down.
[10:49] <tjaalton> wgrant: man, this is messed up :)
[10:49] <tjaalton> what was I thinking
[10:49] <tjaalton> at the time..
[10:50] <wgrant> tjaalton: That's good in this case... at least it's now obvious!
[10:51] <wgrant> Are you going to be at UDS?
[10:51] <tjaalton> wgrant: it's currently at the hands of my boss
[10:51] <tjaalton> or is it 'in', bah
[10:51] <wgrant> 'in' is correct.
[10:52] <wgrant> Unfortunate.
[10:52] <tjaalton> heh, I always get them wrong
[10:52] <tjaalton> (the first time, like backports)
[10:52] <wgrant> Haha.
[10:53] <wgrant> I hope I didn't stuff syndaemon up too much.
[10:53] <tjaalton> I would've taken some vacation if he could've just said 'no' in time
[10:57]  * wgrant is glad to have exams over a couple of weeks before it, and no deadlines for work at uni until the start of first semester next year.
[11:03] <tjaalton> hmm, one line missing from the function
[11:04] <tjaalton> handler = handler->next;
[11:04] <tjaalton> no wonder it ended up in a loop
[11:05] <tjaalton> there was another commit on top of the original patch, that was backported as well. that's why it looked worse
[11:06] <wgrant> Ahahahah.
[11:06] <wgrant> That would do it.
[11:18] <tjaalton> yeah, success!
[11:19] <tjaalton> I'll check my ppa and update it as necessary
[11:19] <wgrant> Nice!
[11:21] <tjaalton> so if it hung with my ppa, that means inputproto and libxi are fine
[11:22] <tjaalton> and the safeguards.. libxi should be fine to update, but the drivers should depend on the new xserver
[11:23] <crevette> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/280671
[11:23] <crevette> wow there is an interesting patch to commit
[11:24] <tjaalton> crevette: probably just pull everything from the 1.5-branch, including that
[11:24] <crevette> tjaalton: ah you're so extrem :)
[11:24] <crevette> :)
[11:24] <crevette> I though you would be more conservative
[11:24] <tjaalton> it's not that extreme, those have been in master for some time
[11:25] <tjaalton> and cherry-picked on 1.5
[12:03] <tjaalton> wgrant: hm, would adding Breaks: synaptics/evdev (<= current) for xserver-xorg-core do the trick?
[12:05] <wgrant> tjaalton: That's what I'd recommend.
[12:11] <tjaalton> wgrant: actually, bumping the serverminver is enough
[12:11] <tjaalton> hmm or maybe not, since just installing the server would break things
[12:12] <wgrant> tjaalton: Exactly.
[12:12] <wgrant> You need to use Breaks.
[12:12] <tjaalton> I'll do both
[12:13] <wgrant> Has the libXi ABI been bumped?
[12:13] <tjaalton> shlibs? yes
[12:14] <wgrant> It's removing symbols, so it probabably officially needs an ABI bump. But the users of those fragments of the API are so few that we can work around it.
[12:14] <tjaalton> right
[12:22] <jcristau> better add conflicts, in this case
[12:22] <jcristau> or breaks, or whatever
[12:23] <tjaalton> against the current xserver? will do
[12:23] <tjaalton> what's the difference with breaks and conflicts anyway?
[12:23] <jcristau> no, packages using the property ABI
[12:24] <jcristau> conflicts is more heavyweight
[12:25] <jcristau> it means the packages can't be unpacked at the same time, which is fine when you have file conflicts, but not necessary if you just want to say they don't work together, so want to force an upgrade
[12:25] <jcristau> with breaks, both can be unpacked, just not configured, iirc
[12:26] <tjaalton> but isn't unpack enough to break things?
[12:26] <wgrant> Breaks is appropriate here.
[12:26] <wgrant> Conflicts would be used if we didn't have Breaks.
[12:31] <tjaalton> ok, so adding Breaks: evdev, synaptics, g-c-c, g-s-d, xinput
[12:33] <jcristau> tjaalton: you should have Breaks on drivers in the server, and Breaks on clients in libxi6
[12:34] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh right
[12:34] <tjaalton> this was for libxi
[12:40] <wgrant> Synaptics build-deps on libxi - does it use it?
[12:40] <wgrant> I know that because my syndaemon port didn't need any new builddeps.
[12:41] <jcristau> pretty sure synaptics_drv.so doesn't
[12:41] <jcristau> but, maybe something else in the package
[12:45] <tjaalton> wgrant: I'll upload xorg-server -1ubuntu2.2 to my ppa so you can start working on g-c-c and g-s-d
[12:47] <tjaalton> done
[12:48] <tjaalton> I won't upload the new libxi with breaks, since you wouldn't be able to install it :)
[12:50] <wgrant> tjaalton: OK, great. I'll hopefully be able to work on them tonight, depending on whether I can get this uni work done...
[12:50] <wgrant> It's only a little bit more difficult without having XQueryDeviceProperty available.
[12:51] <tjaalton> k, cool
[12:51] <wgrant> Alpha 7 is in a week, isn't it?
[12:51] <tjaalton> RC
[12:52] <wgrant> Isn't RC a week before release?
[12:52]  * wgrant checks the release schedule.
[12:52] <tjaalton> hmm, right
[12:52] <wgrant> Oh.
[12:52] <tjaalton> but we already have a beta
[12:52] <wgrant> No Alpha 7 this cycle.
[12:53] <wgrant> I'm sure we had one once.
[12:53] <wgrant> Ah.
[12:54] <wgrant> Feisty Herd 6 was post-beta.\
[12:54]  * wgrant is outdated.
[14:00]  * wgrant upgrades to tjaalton new X.
[14:02] <wgrant> tjaalton: The evdev in your PPA is too old.
[14:17] <tjaalton> bah
[14:17] <tjaalton> i'll update it when i get back from lunch
[14:20] <wgrant> Thanks.
[14:32] <tjaalton> wgrant: uploaded
[14:32] <wgrant> tjaalton: Great.
[14:45] <wgrant> tjaalton: Hmm, did you mean to build-dep on something not in your PPA? It depwaited everywhere.
[14:45] <tjaalton> damn
[14:45] <wgrant> Heh.
[14:47] <tjaalton> fixed, xserver-xorg-dev build-dep was too high
[14:47] <wgrant> Yep.
[16:05] <mvo> hm, #ubuntu+1 talks about problem with the kernel module of 177.80 - is that known?
[16:07] <tjaalton> mvo: elmargol has some display corruption issues
[16:08] <elmargol> I have the same install running on my desktop now. Lets see if it works using this card
[16:14] <elmargol> runns 30 min just fine now :/
[16:15] <tjaalton> ooh, aaronp commented on one nvidia bug
[16:15] <tjaalton> not the first time either, it seems
[16:16] <elmargol> the problem is sometimes it works 2 hour just fine.. and sometimes it crashes after 10 minutes :/
[16:16] <elmargol> not easy to debug
[16:21] <CarlFK> (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  177.80  Wed Oct  1 15:06:06 PDT 2008         compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[16:21] <CarlFK> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[16:21] <CarlFK> ibex, worked 2 days ago, did an upgrade, broke.  is this known?
[16:22] <elmargol> CarlFK: 177.80 is new
[16:22] <tjaalton> dmesg error would be more useful
[16:23] <CarlFK> tjaalton: i don't see anything nvidia related in dmesg
[16:23] <tjaalton> try to modprobe nvidia
[16:23] <CarlFK> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[16:23] <tjaalton> there you go
[16:23] <tjaalton> and here I go ->
[16:24] <tseliot> CarlFK: install the linux-headers for your kernel and then type: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source
[16:25] <tseliot> mvo: what kind of problem?
[16:25] <CarlFK> tseliot: any point in reporting on lp?
[16:26] <tseliot> CarlFK: no, as long as my suggestion solves the problem
[16:28] <CarlFK> linux-headers-2.6.27-6 set to manually installed.
[16:28] <CarlFK> --force or something ?
[16:29] <tseliot> type: dkms add -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k $(uname -r)
[16:29] <tseliot> dkms build -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k $(uname -r)
[16:29] <CarlFK> Error! DKMS tree already contains: nvidia-177.80
[16:29] <tseliot> dkms install -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k $(uname -r)
[16:29] <tseliot> and let me know what happens
[16:30] <CarlFK> Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko for module nvidia in the DKMS tree.
[16:30] <CarlFK> You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.27-6-generic (i686) first.
[16:30] <tseliot> mvo: did you read my email on Update Manager?
[16:31] <tseliot> CarlFK: you skipped this: dkms build -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k $(uname -r)
[16:31] <tseliot> then you will have to type: dkms install -m nvidia -v 177.80 -k $(uname -r)
[16:31] <CarlFK> tseliot: (10:29:33 AM) CarlFK: Error! DKMS tree already contains: nvidia-177.80
[16:31] <CarlFK> that was the result of dkms build ...
[16:32] <tseliot> yes, wasn't it the result of dkms add?
[16:32] <CarlFK> ahh, sorry
[16:32] <CarlFK> yeah, it's building now
[16:32] <mvo> tseliot: about the removal of the wacom stuff?
[16:33] <tseliot> mvo: yes, and of input devices in general
[16:33] <mvo> tseliot: still not properly, sorry :(
[16:34] <mvo> but there is a update-manager update pending for this week, it can go into this I think
[16:34] <tseliot> mvo: good
[16:35] <CarlFK> tseliot: DKMS: install Completed. - trying x now
[16:35] <CarlFK> X booting.  thanks.
[16:36] <tseliot> CarlFK: I don't know why it didn't rebuild the module automatically
[16:47] <elmargol> yay 1 hour and no crash :D
[18:14] <superm1> hum it appears "safe graphics mode" does nothing useful on live cds now.  It doesn't seem to modify xorg.conf to be vesa'full at least
[18:20] <pwnguin> superm1: apparently you neglect kubuntu harder than kubuntu neglects bluetooth ;)
[18:21] <superm1> pwnguin, how so?
[18:21] <tjaalton> see the planet :)
[18:21] <pwnguin> you should check the planet
[18:21] <superm1> oh no, should i be scared...
[18:21] <pwnguin> heh
[18:23] <superm1> in my own defense, I *did* send an email to kubuntu-devel, and I asked ScottK to look at it.  the lack of response was assumed to be "it works"
[18:41] <tjaalton>
[18:41] <tjaalton> uh
[18:43] <bryce> morning
[18:43] <bryce> tjaalton: can you reproduce comment #21 in bug #280646?  It's working ok on my system
[18:45] <tjaalton> bryce: I left my laptop at work..
[18:45] <bryce> ah too bad
[18:47] <bryce> tjaalton: offhand do you know if -evdev is responsible for reporting keyboard state changes to hal?  I.e. should I be digging through -evdev source, or maybe xkeyboard-config?
[18:47] <bdmurray> what is the status of bug 261977 now?
[18:48] <tjaalton> bdmurray: waiting for new properties API prepared for upload
[18:48] <tjaalton> bryce: can't tell, reading the bug first
[18:49] <jcristau> bryce: -evdev reports key presses to the X server, that's pretty much it..
[18:49] <bdmurray> tjaalton: thanks I hadn't seen an update after mario's comment
[18:49] <tjaalton> bdmurray: right, I'll update it
[18:50] <tjaalton> bdmurray: all that's needed is for wgrant to port g-c-c and g-s-d to the new API, then we can upload
[18:50] <tjaalton> bdmurray: oh wait..
[18:50] <tjaalton> bdmurray: that wasn't the bug I thought it was
[18:51] <bryce> jcristau: and then they get exposed from the xserver to hal directly?  Or is there another component translating between them?
[18:51] <jcristau> no
[18:52] <jcristau> the x server sends keypress/keyrelease events to x11 clients
[18:52] <bryce> so, there's an x11 client that listens for numlock events and updates hal accordingly?
[18:53] <jcristau> i have no idea why hal would care about numlock, but, yeah, i guess
[18:54] <jcristau> if you want to know when someone presses XF86MonBrightnessUp, you need an X client grabbing that key
[18:55] <tjaalton> bdmurray: so, what happens is that since the server doesn't find a match in the nv.ids (matchDriverFromFiles()), it'll still try videoPtrToDriverName, which is just wrong
[18:55] <tjaalton> vPTD will match the pci-id to nv
[18:58] <tjaalton> I'd love to have a commit in upstream, but wonder if someone will beat me to it ;)
[19:01] <tjaalton> could have a patch ready tomorrow
[19:05] <tjaalton> maybe the best fix would be to append the fallback drivers anyway, so it would try to use them next
[19:05] <bdmurray> tjaalton: thanks for looking at it
[19:06] <tjaalton> since the logic is currently right..
[19:06] <tjaalton> bdmurray: np
[19:07] <tjaalton> hmm, fixing this would make it possible to simplify failsafe
[19:07] <bryce> :-D
[19:07] <tjaalton> this is basically what jcristau suggested some time ago
[19:08] <tjaalton> since now the fallback works only if you don't have the conffile
[19:57] <tjaalton> sweet, 2135 bugs
[20:33] <bryce> tjaalton: :-/
[20:34] <bryce> tjaalton: I was planning on doing some major triaging work today, but I think this thinkpad brightness key issue is going to take up that time
[20:35] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, I can reproduce the problem sort of like this:
[20:35] <bryce> 1.  use brightness keys -> OCD displays, brightness changes
[20:35] <bryce> 2.  toggle numlock on
[20:35] <bryce> 3.  use brightness keys -> brightness changes, but no OCD is displayed
[20:36] <bryce> jcristau: are you able to reproduce that on debian by chance?
[20:36] <jcristau> i'm not using gnome on my laptop
[20:58] <bryce> tjaalton: I'm thinking about writing two scripts - one to get all Xorg bugs in state New without attachments and ask them to attach the usual, and another script to query all incomplete without response older than 30 days with no attachments and close them.
[21:46] <tjaalton> bryce: heh, that should help a bit
[21:46] <tjaalton> also, l-r-m-2.6.20 bugs can be closed soon
[21:46] <tjaalton> but that's only ~130 bugs
[21:46] <bryce> tjaalton: all of them?  and are they to be set to invalid or wontfix?
[21:47] <tjaalton> well feisty will be EOL'd, so wontfix maybe
[21:52] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll try the numlock-thing tomorrow
[21:52] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, push your changes to xorg ;)
[21:52] <bryce> tjaalton: ok, I've built an instrumented patch here - http://bryceharrington.org/ubuntu/EvdevBug280646/
[21:52] <bryce> bah git
[21:52] <bryce> ok
[21:53] <tjaalton> evdev is in git too
[21:53] <tjaalton> I think..
[21:53] <tjaalton> duh, isn't
[21:54] <tjaalton> but I've got a tree to push
[21:54] <bryce> bryce@chideok:~/src/xorg/xorg-ubuntu-git$ git push
[21:54] <bryce> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:54] <bryce>  ! [rejected]        debian-unstable -> debian-unstable (non-fast forward)
[21:54] <bryce> error: failed to push some refs to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:54] <tjaalton> you've changed debian-unstable?
[21:55] <tjaalton> git push origin ubuntu
[21:59] <bryce> oh yeah
[21:59] <bryce> $ git push origin ubuntu
[21:59] <bryce> Everything up-to-date
[21:59] <bryce> uncommitted changelog entrye
[22:00] <bryce> -e +pushed
[22:00] <tjaalton> yes, it got there
[23:06] <superm1> bryce, you there?
[23:07] <bryce> yeah
[23:07] <superm1> bryce, i've gotten word that the libstdc++5 thing won't be resolved in whatever fglrx package will be entering intrepid at some point
[23:07]  * wgrant curses user-settable input properties.
[23:08] <bryce> superm1: ok thanks
[23:08] <wgrant> If you're going to spend 40 minutes debugging why g-s-d thinks all input devices are touchpads, ensure that you didn't introduce and fix a bug earlier that sets the property we use to detect a touchpad on all of them...
[23:09] <bryce> wgrant: ow
[23:09] <wgrant> I was wondering why XGetDeviceProperty was saying those properties existed... of course they actually did.


[12:19] <BenC> now I'm in the christmas spirit
[12:19] <BenC> couple of Eggnog+Capt-Morgan's put anyone in the holiday mood
[01:18] <jbailey> BenC: Mmm.  I'm driving tonight, but perhaps I'll do something similar when I get home.
[02:05] <zul> heylo
[11:23] <AcidPils> frohe weihnachten/merry christmas
[01:51] <_sparrow> Hello channel. Can someone help me with hyper-threading support?
[03:23] <zul> merry christmas guys..
[03:47] <lamont> fabbione_vac: what about having the amd64 kernel build upload arch=amd64, i386 :-)
[11:41] <_sparrow> hello channel. can somenbody help me with some questions about hyper-threading?
[11:44] <BenC> just ask the question
[11:45] <BenC> but by the sounds of it, your question probably belongs in #ubuntu
[11:47] <_sparrow> hello BenC, thank you. I'm using a intel pentium 4 3 Ghz with HT. A smtp-kernel is installed and the system is finding 2 CPUs. But in /var/log messages, the kernel says: CPU: Hyper-Threading is disabled.
[11:47] <BenC> right, it's disabled by default because of security issues
[11:48] <BenC> to enable it, add ht=on to the kernel command line
[11:48] <_sparrow> BenC: i tried ht=on, but the same message appears in /var/log/messages. so i'm confused.
[11:52] <BenC> var/log/messages does not get reset on boot, so you are probably seeing the old messages
[11:52] <BenC> check dmesg instead
[11:52] <BenC> dmesg | grep Hyper-Threading
[11:54] <_sparrow> i've checked the timestamp of the message, it was after reboot/kernel-load.
[11:54] <BenC> are you booted with ht=on right now?
[11:55] <_sparrow> no, i haven't.


[22:08] <dragon> !who | winterswift
[22:08] <fearful> lucas_, have you tried to replace your current status with status-old
[22:08] <appleman_> so whats new
[22:08] <Trizicus> What do you mean 'under' vista?
[22:08] <lucas_> fearful... nope how do i do that?
[22:08] <fearful> !who
[22:09] <appleman_> headphones play audio but laptop speakers still full blown in latest ubuntu how to fix in volume control?
[22:09] <fearful> lucas_, sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:09] <Trizicus> I allowed grub to overwrite mbr, the first time i booted after that vista started fine now it wont start at all and once it gets to the loading screen the computer just restarts
[22:09] <Black_Rose> Hi
[22:09] <fearful> lucas_, wait, backup ur current one too
[22:09] <LaireTM> I try to install Ubuntu but after i choosed install i just see the BusyBox, what now?
[22:09] <Black_Rose> Hiya ^_^
[22:10] <dragon> appleman_: find the individual volume controls and turn the "front" off. If you can't find the volume controls, try `sudo alsamixer`
[22:10] <dragon> !hi | Black_Rose
[22:10] <appleman_> i read that as I try to install Ubuntu but after i choosed install i just see the Best Buy Box, what now?
[22:10] <acidblood> is there any IT professionals in here
[22:10] <dragon> LaireTM: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[22:10] <lstarnes> appleman_: you do mean BusyBox, right?
[22:11] <dragon> !troll > appleman_
[22:11] <fearful> lucas_, sudo cp -b /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status-current
[22:11] <winterswift> trizicus: so you're using grub, and installed karmic on a seperate partition, correct? just clarifying, sorry.
[22:11] <yoga> How do I find out the model number of the DVD R/RW drive in Ubuntu?
[22:11] <lucas_> fearful:  nothing happened
[22:11] <Trizicus> yes
[22:11] <Trizicus> and no i did not shrink the vista partition
[22:11] <dragon> !who > Trizicus
[22:11] <LaireTM> dragon: /bin/sh: sudo: not found
[22:12] <fearful> lucas_, well the cp one won't but did it work after you mv the status-old?
[22:12] <Black_Rose> Hi
[22:12] <Black_Rose> Hi
[22:12] <appleman_> anyone? headphones problem?
[22:12] <PostModern> how to i can open and edit .pub files in ubuntu ?
[22:12] <dragon> appleman_: did you read what i wrote above?
[22:12] <appleman_> no i didn't
[22:12] <appleman_> i didn't even know you existed
[22:12] <bastid_raZor> yoga: sudo lshw | grep CD
[22:13] <joebodo> appleman, sudo alsamixer
[22:13] <appleman_> how do i activate that?
[22:13] <winterswift> PostModern: i think openoffice should work
[22:13] <fearful> !who | appleman_
[22:13] <appleman_> joe balogne, how do i activate that?
[22:13] <PostModern> winterswift, no, don't work
[22:14] <appleman_> forget it ill listen to audio through all speakers
[22:14] <dragon> !troll | appleman_
[22:14] <amgarchIn9> how do I view what information is stored in "keyring one" ?
[22:14] <winterswift> PostModern: what was used to create the file?
[22:14] <appleman_> ubotto please dont msg me
[22:14] <appleman_> ever again
[22:15] <LaireTM> dragon: an idea what to do?
[22:15] <Black_Rose> hi
[22:15] <fearful> lucas_, you can try also sudo apt-get install -f to check if theres anything weird in your packages
[22:15] <appleman_> ubutoo: see troll
[22:15] <appleman_> .msg self
[22:15] <fearful> !hi | Black_Rose
[22:15] <lucas_> fearful: ive already tried that, didnt work either
[22:16] <appleman_> msg girlfriends
[22:16] <Vipan> Hi all
[22:16] <revygttam> gparted is not recognizing my sd card, however fdisk listed it... i need to create a 64mb swap at the end of the card.. how can i do this?
[22:16] <dragon> LaireTM: looking into it. Did you try rebooting? `init 5`
[22:16] <LaireTM> dragon: 6 times
[22:17] <LaireTM> drogon: now i try to start live and not the install
[22:17] <dragon> LaireTM: how's the liveCD working?
[22:17] <Black_Rose> Hiya
[22:17] <anonymous2> revygttam fdsik /dev/"sdcard" . THen new (n) and size it correctly.
[22:17] <Vipan> Has anyone here tried Upgrading from Jaunty to Karmic Beta yet ?
[22:18] <joebodo> Vipan, yes - success
[22:18] <LaireTM> dragon: one moment I start it in this moment
[22:18] <revygttam> thanks anon
[22:18] <winterswift> Vipan: planning on doing that later today
[22:18] <dragon> !troll > Black_Rose
[22:18] <Vipan> joebodo, no issues what so ever ? with the install part ofcource
[22:18] <dragon> !karmic | Vipan
[22:19] <joebodo> Vipan, worked fine on 3 different machines (i was alpha 5, 1 alpha 6, and beta on 3rd)
[22:19] <Vipan> I know what Karmic Koala is, i want to know about how the upgrading went since i havent found much about it.
[22:20] <joebodo> Vipan, ask in #ubuntu+1 - you will probly find more people that have upgraded
[22:20] <Vipan> So this is my first time actually using IRC, so how do i specify a person to talk to ? without opening a new chat window
[22:20] <fearful> lucas_, I seriously have no idea I've never ever seen that problem :S
[22:20] <lstarnes> Vipan: just type that person's nick
[22:20] <trism> Vipan: /msg username things you want to say
[22:21] <fearful> Vipan, you just put there name like I am doing now, and to join different channel just put /join #<channel name>
[22:21] <LaireTM> ahhh lots of points on my screen
[22:21] <Vipan> Okay, thank you all =) im changing chanel now. Vipan Out
[22:21] <bastid_raZor> '
[22:22] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me how I would boot from my external usb hard drive
[22:22] <Ekushey-> Vipan, works for me, except for 2/3 apps. It's still is Beta, you see.
[22:22] <winterswift> Trizicus: i assume your problem is caused by grub, i had the same problem with XP recently
[22:22] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me how I would boot from my external usb hard drive bc i got grub loaded but I dont know the command to get the ubuntu to start
[22:22] <LaireTM> TimReichart: choos boot from usb in your bios
[22:23] <obiwan_> anybody got a macbook or broadcom nic?
[22:24] <reiner> Text hier eingeben...
[22:24] <reiner> jemand da
[22:24] <fearful> !dutch | reiner
[22:24] <LaireTM> reiner: yes
[22:24] <reiner> ich komme aus germany
[22:24] <LaireTM> fearful: thats german
[22:24] <LaireTM> !german | reiner
[22:25] <reiner> ist hier ein sie auch aus germnay
[22:25] <fearful> LaireTM, your right sorry I just say Dutchland for germany so I got confused sorry reiner
[22:25] <LaireTM> fearful: Deutschland
[22:25] <reiner> schadw wo bist du her laire
[22:26] <Flannel> reiner: this is an english channel
[22:26] <sebsebseb> Hello
[22:26] <obiwan_> hello
[22:26] <winterswift> sebsebseb: hi
[22:26] <LexR> hello
[22:27] <LaireTM> dragon: when i boot live i got an black sreen, i try to install from usb
[22:27] <sebsebseb> nearly the whole channel :D
[22:27] <obiwan_> but anyway, he typed !german | reiner, and ubottu said it to everybody
[22:27] <FirstSgt> I need a good ubuntu server backup solution
[22:27] <fearful> LaireTM, damn now I feel like a complete ignorant, again sorry hah
[22:27] <joebodo> !backup
[22:28] <joebodo> !sbackup
[22:28] <FirstSgt> thanks
[22:28] <LexR> FirstSgt, what do you need to backup?
[22:28] <FirstSgt> !Universe
[22:28] <FirstSgt> I need to back up like the last 10 days of all the usr accnts
[22:28] <sebsebseb> obiwan_:   winterswift  LexR  yes hello/hi
[22:29] <LaireTM> fearful: from the states?
[22:29] <FirstSgt> e.g. someone calls in saying i really really screwed something up, can you send me back to 5 days go.
[22:29] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me how I would boot from my external usb hard drive bc i got grub loaded but I dont know the command to get the ubuntu to start
[22:29] <FirstSgt> now, i'd like something like svn
[22:29] <fearful> LaireTM, actually no El Salvador, don't speak english on a regular basis but think we're going too off topic
[22:29] <FirstSgt> where i can pick a revision/date
[22:29] <FirstSgt> but i've only used rsync and subversion
[22:30] <obiwan_> w0000t? sry i don't get it sebsebseb
[22:30] <bastid_raZor> FirstSgt: a good place to start is #ubuntu-server
[22:30] <FirstSgt> i dont wanna copy a screwup by using rsync
[22:30] <FirstSgt> bastid_raZor: is that really specific to the server version (and thanks, never new that channel existed).
[22:30] <LaireTM> When I try to install ubunto from a usbstick i come to the  BusyBox, when i try to start liver version i have a black screen
[22:31] <ioka> I can not install ubuntu from usb.It gives me I/O error
[22:31] <bastid_raZor> FirstSgt: yes, that channel is all about the server
[22:31] <ioka> this happens at 45% of installation completion
[22:31] <sebsebseb> obiwan_: more than one or two after I did it :)  so I  joked  saying it was nearly the whole channel
[22:32] <obiwan_> hhahah lol ok ok xD i'm so short xd
[22:32] <ioka> this is with the 9.10 beta
[22:32] <sebsebseb> ikonia: #uibuntu+1 for  the beta
[22:33] <sebsebseb> ioka: that was for you
[22:33] <ikonia> sebsebseb: what ?
[22:33] <sebsebseb> ikonia: my auto complete went wrong
[22:33] <obiwan_> anybody got a macbook or broadcom nic?
[22:33] <ikonia> sebsebseb: not to worry, easy done
[22:33] <ioka> well I'll try to defragment the usb flash drive and try again
[22:33] <FirstSgt> so all backup questions should be in ubuntu server right?
[22:33] <sebsebseb> ikonia: yep
[22:34] <jagjr> hi peoples..
[22:34] <jagjr> ubuntu 9.04 is lagging badley for me now.. how can i diagnose and fix?
[22:35] <bottiger> I was playing around with my pam settings - trying to make it mount an encrypted filesystem on login- instead i messed it up and can now run sudo without any password :/
[22:35] <bottiger> any idea how to fix that?
[22:35] <joaopinto> bottiger, man sudo
[22:35] <joaopinto> that's related to sudoers, not pam
[22:35] <jagjr> ubuntu 9.04 is lagging badley for me now.. how can i diagnose and fix??
[22:35] <ioka> any ideas about usb install?
[22:36] <ikonia> bottiger: did you not take backup of your files before messing around ?
[22:36] <bottiger> joaopinto: well - I hanv't touched the sudoers file
[22:36] <bottiger> ikonia: nope
[22:36] <winterswift> jagjr: lagging how?
[22:36] <ioka> maybe ubuntu copies the files too fast and my usb can not handle it
[22:36] <shawn_> jagjr: "My OS is running slow" isnt really a valid question
[22:36] <sebsebseb> ioka: you said about the beta so you should be asking in #ubuntu+1
[22:36] <jagjr> when i switch from window to window
[22:36] <ioka> oo ok
[22:36] <jagjr> it's only recently done this
[22:36] <joaopinto> bottiger, so there is something odd over there, because it's the sudoers config which controls sudo requirements
[22:36] <ioka> 10x :)
[22:36] <winterswift> jagjr: when did it start?
[22:37] <Bacon> Is there a bittorrent client that has a web interface so that I can manage my torrents from the web browser on my cell phone?
[22:37] <jagjr> about 2-3 hours ago
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Bacon: transmission
[22:37] <TimReichhart> could anybody help me
[22:37] <winterswift> jagjr: have you updated, restarted, etc. lately?
[22:37] <sebsebseb> TimReichhart: With what?
[22:37] <joaopinto> !anyone | TimReichhart
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Bacon: if you have an android phone there is a client for it in the app store
[22:37] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me how I would boot from my external usb hard drive bc i got grub loaded but I dont know the command to get the ubuntu to start
[22:38] <Bacon> I have a blackberry
[22:38] <jagjr> ive updated about 2 days ago..  and ive restarted about 20 mins ago to see if that fixed it.. it didnt
[22:38] <winterswift> jagjr: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[22:38] <joebodo> TimReichhart, you need to set the usb device as the first boot device in your bios
[22:38] <jagjr> 9.04 Jaunty
[22:38] <bottiger> joaopinto: I'm not an expert, but then what's the point of /etc/pam.d/sudo ? (not that i have messed around with that one)
[22:38] <TimReichhart> yea its already set there
[22:39] <TimReichhart> I got my screen setting at this grub>
[22:39] <talldave> can anybody recommend an inventory/stock control program or direct me to tutorials where i may learn to create a suitable program.
[22:39] <joaopinto> bottiger, oh, there is a pam sudo config :P
[22:39] <joaopinto> bottiger, I am not an expert either :P
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> Bacon: still has a web interface you can browse to :D
[22:40] <winterswift> jagjr: you said it lags when you switch windows. is anything else lagging?
[22:40] <mikinanuq> Bacon: so you have your home router set to forward port 80 to the computer that will host this website and you know how to get to it via external IP or via dynamic DNS setup right?
[22:40] <jagjr> erm.. firefox
[22:40] <jagjr> pidgin
[22:40] <joebodo> !dyndns
[22:40] <jagjr> nearly everything
[22:41] <joebodo> jagjr, have you opened the system monitor and looked for processes that are consuming a lot of cpu ?
[22:41] <losha> bottiger: ok, you do know that sudo skips authentication if you re-sudo within a certain time-interval? Just checking...
[22:42] <winterswift> jagjr: okay, do you have desktop effects turned on?
[22:42] <jagjr> Desktop effects turned off
[22:42] <bottiger> losha: yes - I've even logged out and in again
[22:42] <bottiger> losha: ...which should reset it
[22:42] <bottiger> losha: normally just a new shell resets it
[22:43] <losha> bottiger: dunno what you've done then...
[22:43] <jagjr> gnome do = 86% ??   whats gnome do?
[22:43] <jagjr> !gnome do
[22:43] <jagjr> !gnome_do
[22:43] <winterswift> jagjr: ugh
[22:43] <bottiger> losha: can you post your /etc/pam.d/(common-account|common-auth|login|gdm) ?
[22:44] <winterswift> jagjr: gnome is the ubuntu interface
[22:44] <jagjr> oic
[22:44] <jagjr> hmmm..   so why is it reacting like this?
[22:44] <winterswift> jagjr: not helpful though, as thats what's lagging in the first place, not whats causing it to lag
[22:44] <joebodo> jaggy, gnome do is an applet for launching applications quickly
[22:45] <jagjr> lol
[22:45] <jaggy> huh??
[22:45] <joebodo> jagir, gnome do is an applet for launching applications quickly
[22:45] <jagjr> i fixed
[22:45] <winterswift> jagjr: what was it?
[22:45] <joebodo> !gnomedo
[22:45] <jagjr> i limited my CPU to only 50% instead of full
[22:45] <winterswift> joebodo: good point, didnt notice the _do
[22:45] <murder> Whats the hotkey for 'Workspace 2' on gnome?
[22:45] <hdon> hi all. so i just hit a button on my keyboard while holding shift, and my PC speaker did its beep noise at me. then i pressed it again and it made a higher pitched beep noise. what button might this be?
[22:46] <softdrink> Can anyone recommend an xScope-like tool? (screen ruler, magnifier, color dropper, etc)
[22:46] <winterswift> jagjr: what's your CPU/video card?
[22:47] <joebodo> jagir kill "gnome do" and see if that helps
[22:47] <jagjr> its ok
[22:47] <jagjr> i fixed..
[22:47] <jagjr> i forgot it wernt on Performance
[22:48] <jagjr> :)
[22:48] <nikolam> Grrr
[22:48] <winterswift> jagjr: what did you limit again?
[22:48] <nikolam> how to avoid locked and slow and unresponsive system while installing apps with synaptic
[22:48] <joebodo> nikolam, use nice
[22:48] <joebodo> !nice
[22:48] <nikolam> system gets unresponsive and all apps get locked while installing some .deb from synaptic or upgrade
[22:49] <nikolam> joebodo, so i should get to command line and type nice xy something every time i upgrade or install?
[22:49] <nikolam> why nice is not used by default for it
[22:49] <joebodo> nikolam, yes - or you can adjust the priority in the system monitor
[22:50] <nikolam> maybe I could change shortcut command line from menu?
[22:50] <joebodo> nikolam, i dont have an issue with installing upgrades -
[22:50] <nikolam> so that it use nice when I click on icon in menu?
[22:50] <joebodo> nikolam, that should work
[22:50] <nikolam> it works, just killing all processes
[22:50] <Sh4wn> Hi guys, I'm running Karmic Beta, and after an upgrade it wouldn't boot anymore, so I started the recovery mode, to fix broken packages. But I only have access to a wireless network, and somehow it doesn
[22:51] <Sh4wn> fuck
[22:51] <nikolam> so that sound is not well, redraw, mouse everything gets slow
[22:51] <Sh4wn> 't connect to it
[22:51] <joebodo> nikolam, no - i meant changing the menu shortcut should work - you might want to try it out on the command line first to make sure you get the commadn right
[22:51] <Sh4wn> I tried everything, setting through iwconfig wlan0 ap, essid, key off (its open),
[22:52] <Sh4wn> rerunning dhclient, but it iwconfig wlan0 keeps saying Access Point: not assiocated, and I have no internet
[22:52] <bauruine> histo, how can i add a new password to a encrypted device if i don't know the old key? the device is mounted atm but i lost my password :-(
[22:52] <nikolam> aha ok. Maybe I can post a bug about this so that it could be done by default on some next release or even updated to LTS, etc
[22:52] <winterswift> Sh4wn: so you're saying you cant connect to your network?
[22:52] <Sh4wn> so basicly the question is, how do I connect to a wireless network in the netroot
[22:52] <joebodo> !language | sh4wn
[22:52] <Somebody> Hiii
[22:53] <RS-232> Anyone using Amarok in 9.04..what piece of junk is that? 2.0.2 does not work at all? I want my old 1.4 back!
[22:53] <leaf-sheep> !karmic | Sh4wn
[22:53] <Sh4wn> oh
[22:53] <Sh4wn> well it isnt actually karmic related
[22:54] <Sh4wn> the key question is, how do I connect to a wireless network on the netroot
[22:54] <obiwan_> anybody got a macbook or broadcom nic?
[22:54] <leaf-sheep> Sh4wn: Lies! Run 'lsb_release -c'
[22:54] <trism> Sh4wn: iwconfig wlan0 essid access_point_name_here; dhclient wlan0
[22:55] <Guest85945> привет)
[22:55] <Sh4wn> trism Ok, I tried that, but unfortunateley dhclient doesn't get any DHCPOFFER's
[22:55] <Sh4wn> so no network
[22:56] <RS-232> Any alternative to AMAROK in Jaunty??
[22:56] <Sh4wn> Exaile RS-232
[22:56] <joebodo> RS-232, songbird
[22:56] <RS-232> Sh4wn: joebodo do they work for PodCasts as well?
[22:56] <winterswift> RS-232: yeah, go with songbird
[22:57] <Guest85945> fack
[22:57] <Sh4wn> don't know for exaile, but maybe there's a plugin or something
[22:57] <RS-232> It is a pity, I was very happy with Amarok, but it seems the more they update it the more they screw it
[22:58] <joebodo> RS-232, perhaps just stay with the older version that you like ...
[22:58] <RS-232> Songbird is not in Synaptic
[22:58] <RS-232> joebodo: I can't with Jaunty
[22:59] <RS-232> joebodo: Jaunty is coming with 2.0.2...and 2.2 is really good but I have to wait for 9.10
[22:59] <RS-232> songbird is not in synaptic
[22:59] <winterswift> RS-232: http://getsongbird.com/download/
[22:59] <edbian> I have an MX 610 mouse.  How can I set custom key-bindings?
[23:00] <winterswift> RS-232: cant find any podcast addons on the songbird site, sorry
[23:00] <fx4> does anyone know of an app that will convert matroska to mpeg?
[23:00] <trism> RS-232: rhythmbox does podcasts
[23:00] <RS-232> winterswift: ok, mmmm I do not want to install KDE just to listen to podcasts with Amarok :)
[23:00] <Guest85945> LOL
[23:00] <Vipan> Could i get some help with the IRC basics again ?
[23:00] <Xeon3D> How's ubuntu support for Intel Wifi Link 5100 ? :)
[23:00] <RS-232> trism: good one, let me try
[23:01] <leaf-sheep> Vipan: Ask the real questions. Be more specifics.
[23:01] <limpbzkit> hi who can tell me how do I install the pidgin the new version? what are the commands, thx you
[23:01] <winterswift> trism: forgot about that one :)
[23:01] <joebodo> vipan try /help
[23:01] <trism> RS-232: although I prefer using gpodder for the podcasts instead (and then you can play them in whatever you want)
[23:02] <corey> how do i use wine?
[23:02] <Xeon3D> How's ubuntu support for Intel Wifi Link 5100 ? :)
[23:02] <soni__> how do i add a user to the sudoers file?
[23:02] <corey> how do i open wine after i installed it?
[23:03] <boojit> cory: first you need to install the dependencies "bottleopener" and "cheese"
[23:03] <boojit> sorry corey i mean.
[23:03] <FluxD> Is there a software firewall for ubuntu, like for restriciting a certain program like firefox from accessing thr internet?
[23:03] <trism> corey: wine path_to_windows_executable_here
[23:03] <pxwebdev> is there a gui mail server config other than webmin
[23:04] <sebsebseb> corey: or just click on your .exe and open it
[23:04] <leaf-sheep> !firewall | FluxD
[23:04] <corey> i do but it keeps showing a blank page
[23:04] <trism> corey: you need to make sure you associate it with wine if you want to click to run, it isn't associated by default
[23:04] <RS-232> rithymbox is all what I need, cool!
[23:05] <limpbzkit> hi who can tell me how do I install the pidgin the new version? what are the commands, thx you
[23:05] <RS-232> to hell with Amarok and its KDE tirany ! :)
[23:05] <winterswift> RS-232: :D
[23:06] <leaf-sheep> limpbzkit: Google "pidgin for ubuntu"
[23:06] <leaf-sheep> limpbzkit: All the instructions can be found there.
[23:06] <limpbzkit> leaf-sheep,  ok thx ;)
[23:07] <Sehrus> hi... I want to install a dual boot between winxp pro 64x et ubuntu 64x... and Id like to know what is the best way to create the partitions
[23:07] <ZykoticK9> limpbzkit, http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/
[23:08] <winterswift> Sehrus: dont, just use the prepackaged Wubi installer
[23:08] <winterswift> Sehrus: no partitions needed, installs in the windows partition
[23:08] <nowimproved> when I start fluxbox through gdm the fonts are all weird, and the icons are all messed up, if i do it though startx everything looks good
[23:08] <Xeon3D> Sehrus: Install WinXP on half the disk (make a partition half-the disk), then install ubuntu on the free space. (Swap same size as RAM and / with the rest)
[23:08] <ZykoticK9> Sehrus, it would be "better" to setup real partitions and not us Wubi
[23:09] <softdrink> nowimproved:  do you have gnome-settings-daemon running when you start up?
[23:09] <bastid_raZor> soni__: do you mean add a user to be able to use sudo?
[23:09] <nowimproved> softdrink, does that only start if you load fluxbox through gdm?
[23:10] <ioka> the best way I think is to make 2 primary partitions - one ntfs for windows, one shared for linux and windws which has to be fat32 partition and then make one extendent partition .then when you install ubuntu make it install on the extendent partition.Use guided installation
[23:10] <winterswift> ZykoticK9: but then the windows partition gets shrinked
[23:11] <ZykoticK9> winterswift, true.  But if you use Wubi you are asking for problem, plus if Windows goes down you lose both your OSs
[23:11] <trism> ioka: you don't really need the fat partition anymore, since ubuntu doesn't have any problems reading and writing ntfs
[23:11] <ioka> well I had problems with wubi installation
[23:11] <gilster> i got a question. My volume speaker icon does not correspond to the actual master slider in the volume control. it controls a different sound card. what can be causing that
[23:11] <nowimproved> yup softdrink that was it, when i fluxbox from startx, if I type gnome-settings-daemon in terminal the fonts go all small and weird and the icons get messed up
[23:11] <ioka> it could not compy sam file
[23:12] <ioka> error was something like value too large for defined value
[23:12] <softdrink> i had to add it to my startup
[23:12] <ioka> *copy
[23:12] <softdrink> on my mac right now, so i don't have access to my fluxbox configs :(
[23:12] <trism> ioka: ahh, I've never used wubi so I wouldn't know
[23:12] <nowimproved> softdrink, its like that messes it up
[23:13] <winterswift> Zykotic: so backup ubuntu? i use wubi just fine
[23:13] <softdrink> jussec
[23:13] <NOC_monkey> gilster you need to open up your sound preferences and choose the correct device for the volume control to correspond
[23:15] <gilster> NOC_monkey: i am pretty sure i did that already
[23:15] <ioka> is unetbootin reliable for making live usb with ubuntu under windows? maybe unetbootin is causing problems and that's why I can not install it from the usb
[23:15] <gilster> NOC_monkey: the volume control sliders are working. what happens is that the master volume slider under the speaker icon controls the master volume of a secondary soundcard not the one i am using.
[23:16] <NOC_monkey> gilster what are  you using ASLA or pules
[23:16] <NOC_monkey> pulseaudio sorry
[23:17] <gilster> NOC_monkey: ALSA
[23:17] <gilster> NOC: I may just need to restart the volume control.
[23:18] <NOC_monkey> gilster I would start there if they are working and all devices are set correctly in the sound preferences . Let me know what happens after the re-start
[23:18] <synapse> hello all
[23:20] <bastid_raZor> ioka: you're installing karmic right? #ubuntu+1 is the proper channel
[23:20] <gilster> NOC: just a restart thats it
[23:20] <gilster> fixed
[23:21] <synapse> kool
[23:21] <NOC_monkey> gilster, great!!!!
[23:21] <gilster> NOC_monkey: cheers
[23:22] <gilster> on a different note; is there any GUI integration for  DVD-RAM discs
[23:23] <gilster> does anyone know of a way to utilize DVD-RAM discs in UDF format in ubuntu
[23:23] <fx4> running ubuntu 8.10 on amd64   would like to find an app to convert matroska video to mpeg  any help ?
[23:24] <Rumo> does anyone knows how to enable Intel Modem PCI 56K CTR-21 or Acer 56 surf USB??
[23:25] <Rumo> under Ubuntu 9.04??
[23:25] <Rumo> 64 bit?
[23:25] <fx4> :-D8.10 64 bit
[23:25] <synapse> "save a tree burn a book"
[23:25] <joseantoniordlmc> Does anyone already upgraded to Karmic
[23:26] <lstarnes> joseantoniordlmc: #ubuntu+1 is for Karmic
[23:26] <Rumo> fx4: you know it? which modem is better?
[23:26] <scott_ino2> joseantoniordlmc, karmic works pretty well
[23:26] <gilster> NOC_monkey: you got any experience with DVD-RAM discvs
[23:26] <joseantoniordlmc> i alredy upgraded but i cannot install the desktop effects
[23:26] <fx4> tried the kde beta and the gnome beta karmic still a little buggy
[23:27] <gilster> has anyone here used DVD-RAM discs in ubuntu or any linux distro?
[23:27] <Rumo> fx4: why a little buggy?
[23:27] <scott_ino2> joseantoniordlmc, it's possible it's still being worked on, however at this point it should be working for most people
[23:28] <fx4> some  of the security measures are still a little buggy
[23:28] <fx4> in kde 4 sure
[23:28] <joseantoniordlmc> i alredy installed the nvidia drivers & compiz manager
[23:28] <aaroninfidel> hi, I've installed ubuntu server and my sound card is not working can anyone recommend a solution?
[23:28] <Rumo> fx4: which modem is better USB or pci?
[23:29] <chuck_phl> Does anyone dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu 9.1?
[23:29] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: whats the card?
[23:29] <gilster> does any remember DVD-RAM discs? UDF format?
[23:29] <fx4> i use pci noproblems here
[23:29] <Rumo> fx4: facturer / model??
[23:29] <winterswift> chuck_phl: no, i will be in a few months though
[23:30] <fx4> motorola
[23:30] <fx4> surfbird
[23:30] <aaroninfidel> winterswift I've got no idea. its an office computer. do you know how I can check without opening up my box?
[23:30] <chuck_phl> winterswift: I'm using the RC version, have been for awhile but having issues.. I have a feeling its pretty much the same procedure as vista tho.. just not having much luck
[23:31] <fccf> aaroninfidel: lspci will list your pci devices, including your sound card
[23:31] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: are you running ubuntu or windows right now?
[23:31] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: or are you not on that computer?
[23:31] <Rumo> fx4: aha I have a Intel Modem PCI 56K CTR-21 and I run the scanModem file...
[23:32] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: i would try fccf's suggestion
[23:33] <Rumo> fx4: but I dont really get a high IQ for it
[23:33] <edbian> I'm trying to set up xbindkeys.  How can I find out what the "key" of my mouse buttons is?
[23:34] <jrib> edbian: xev
[23:35] <edbian> jrib: Thanks!
[23:35] <Rumo> fx4: should I send you the outputflie?
[23:35] <jrib> edbian: no problem
[23:35] <leprasmurf> hello all.  I'm having problems with mythvideo.  After some updates, mythvideo was uninstalled, and I can no longer install mythvideo, it complains that python-imdbpy can't install because it needs python < 2.6 and 2.6.2 are installed
[23:35] <aaroninfidel> winterswift, I'm on the ubuntu server via mac with freenx
[23:37] <aaroninfidel> fccf, where can I get lspci?
[23:37] <Rumo> Is here anyone who can fix probs with modems??
[23:37] <fccf> aaroninfidel: type lspci into a terminal .. that's an L by the way
[23:37] <{Onyx}> Ok, this is going to sound stupid but I can't get email signing working with evolution. Created a key with passwords and encryption and that's working fine but if I select sign from security it says secret key not available.
[23:37] <WanHouse> Rumo: Yes
[23:37] <aaroninfidel> winterswift, the card I have is: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[23:38] <Rumo> WanHouse: Hi
[23:38] <WanHouse> Rumo: Hi
[23:38] <WanHouse> Rumo: well, i can try atleast
[23:38] <aaroninfidel> fccf, thank you.
[23:38] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: appears to be built-in
[23:38] <WanHouse> Rumo: Its an oldstyle blingbleep modem ?
[23:39] <aaroninfidel> winterswift, even for ubuntu-server?
[23:39] <Rumo> i have two modems: 1.) Intel Modem PCI 56K CTR-21 and 2.) Acer 56 Surf USB
[23:39] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: no, i mean a builtin card
[23:39] <WanHouse> Rumo: Ok.
[23:39] <aaroninfidel> oh, so what does that mean?
[23:39] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: on the board
[23:39] <aaroninfidel> winterswift, how can I configure it so I can get it to work.
[23:39] <Rumo> WanHouse: I dont know which one is better (faster)
[23:40] <edbian> jrib: I'm having a little bit of trouble reading the output.  I want to write an entry in my xbindkeys config file.  Do I specify the key as "button 1" or whatever?  These are on my mouse if I haven't already mentioned it.
[23:40] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: do you have a gnome or KDE installed or are you using the terminal?
[23:40] <aaroninfidel> winterswift, gnome
[23:40] <WanHouse> Rumo: Both should be equally fast if the drivers are equally optimized
[23:40] <fccf> aaroninfidel: you problem may lie in the fact that you are running the server version.. your soundcard may not be compiled into the kernel module .. reccommend using the desktop live cd and see if sound works there ... another issue are VIA cards (some work, some just don't)
[23:40] <jrib> edbian: b:1  for button 1 on your mouse for exampble
[23:41] <jrib> -b
[23:41] <edbian> -b ?
[23:41] <jrib> "exampble"
[23:41] <Rumo> WanHouse: ok but which one can be enabled in Ubuntu 9.04 64bit?
[23:41] <edbian> jrib: Lol.  Thank you!
[23:41] <WanHouse> Rumo: Both ?
[23:42] <[CCCP]KuKu> vk.com - free mp3
[23:42] <Rumo> WanHouse: I run scanModem with PCI modem in my computer
[23:42] <edbian> jrib: One last question.  How do I start xbindkeys listening?
[23:42] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: try looking in the drivers program (under system > admin i think)
[23:42] <WanHouse> Rumo: You have windows now ?
[23:42] <jrib> !startup > edbian
[23:42] <jrib> edbian: just run xbindkeys
[23:43] <edbian> jrib: I don't need to make it re-read my config file or something?
[23:43] <Mango> guys where do you get these kind of avatars: http://ubuntuforums.org/customavatars/avatar562588_2.gif ?
[23:43] <winterswift> aaroninfidel: if no proprietary drivers appear for your sound card, you should try using the desktop version instead
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[23:43] <Rumo> WanHouse: and now I know INTEL537 chip inside...
[23:43] <jrib> edbian: it reads it when it loads, just kill old xbindkeys processes
[23:43] <Rumo> WanHouse: only in SUN virtualbox
[23:44] <Rumo> WanHouse: HOST is Ubuntu...
[23:44] <edbian> jrib: Thank you!
[23:44] <WanHouse> Rumo: Check the boot logs. Does it find any of the modems and init them without problems ?
[23:44] <edbian> jrib: Works like a charm!  Thanks buddy! :)
[23:44] <Rumo> WanHouse: how do i do that (Im neew in ubuntu...)
[23:45] <WanHouse> Rumo: cat /var/log/messages
[23:45] <WanHouse> Rumo: Dont show the text here
[23:46] <fx4> gosh  RUMO    i'm sorry  my modem is built in to the board   sis 760  but i have an external cable modem connected to that
[23:46] <jfry_> can someone help me with installing on an existing software raid array using the 9.10 desktop cd?
[23:46] <WanHouse> Rumo: Youll see lines like "TTYS0" or "TTYS1" ... those are your comports.
[23:46] <Rumo> WanHouse: Im searching...
[23:47] <WanHouse> Rumo: To test dial the modems you could do this: "echo SomeTelephoneNumberHere > /dev/TTYSXX"
[23:47] <WanHouse> Rumo: To test dial the modems you could do this: "echo atdt SomeTelephoneNumberHere > /dev/TTYSXX"
[23:48] <WanHouse> forgot atdt
[23:48] <nerdy_kid> help! how do i turn off the stupid system 'beep' in gnome?
[23:48] <Mango> Rumo: sudo wvdial
[23:48] <WanHouse> Rumo: at&f will reset the modem to factory defaults
[23:49] <jrib> nerdy_kid: xset b 0  is one way...
[23:49] <Rumo> WanHouse: I didnt still found TTYS...
[23:49] <edbian> nerdy_kid: I can help! :)
[23:49] <nerdy_kid> jrib awesome! now for the default...
[23:49] <edbian> nerdy_kid: "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr"
[23:49] <jrib> !startup > nerdy_kid
[23:50] <WanHouse> Rumo: ls /dev/ttys0 ?
[23:50] <WanHouse> Rumo: Why not ADSL or something ?
[23:51] <Rumo> WanHouse: there are tousands of lines how can I sort it?
[23:51] <nerdy_kid> edbian no theres an option in GNOME somewhere, just can remeber where
[23:51] <jrib> nerdy_kid: it used to exist before pulse audio in System -> Preferences -> Sound but I don't think it exists any more
[23:52] <WanHouse> Rumo: echo "atdt Keso00000000000000 > /dev/ttys0" ... does the modem blink ?
[23:52] <edbian> nerdy_kid: System -> Preferences -> Sound -> System Beep tab
[23:52] <aaroninfidel> for some reason network connections in gnome isn't recognizing my wireless card, but terminal is when I do iwconfig, I've got ubuntu-server installed, anyone know of a solution?
[23:53] <nerdy_kid> edbian not there...it just started beeping, it didnt used to...
[23:53] <Rumo> WanHouse: bash: /dev/ttys0: Permission denied
[23:53] <edbian> nerdy_kid: Run the command I gave you and it will stop! :)
[23:53] <sfa> how do i shut the avahi daemon?
[23:53] <WanHouse> Rumo: sudo ... command here
[23:53] <reuben> help
[23:53] <sfa> and stop it from loading on startup?
[23:54] <reuben> update manager not working, failing to connect
[23:54] <Rumo> WanHouse: same effect
[23:54] <leprasmurf> if anyone is interested.  I had to force the version for mythvideo, libmyth-python, and python-imdbpy to the jaunty versions.  They were set to the intrepid versions for some reason.
[23:54] <nerdy_kid> edbian, yeah was hoping to do it the via config way, ill just have to autostart the command, thanks :)
[23:54] <WanHouse> Rumo: Not possible.
[23:54] <edbian> nerdy_kid: NP! :)
[23:55] <Rumo> falk@falk-desktop:~/Programme$ sudo echo atdt Keso00000000000000 > /dev/ttys0
[23:55] <Rumo> bash: /dev/ttys0: Permission denied
[23:55] <Rumo> falk@falk-desktop:~/Programme$
[23:55] <nerdy_kid> edbian to bad :( thanks for your help :)
[23:55] <reuben> W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  Connection failed
[23:55] <WanHouse> Rumo: sudo 'echo "atdt Keso00000000000000" > /dev/ttys0' then ?
[23:56] <Rumo> WanHouse: with quotes and doble quotes?
[23:56] <WanHouse> Rumo: Or become root first with something like "sudo -s" or -S
[23:56] <WanHouse> Switch the quotes if it doesnt work
[23:57] <fccf> aaroninfidel: I am quite certain that you should be running a Desktop kernel ... running the server kernel will just give you headaches
[23:57] <reuben> help me please, update manager not working
[23:57] <winterswift> reuben: specifically how?
[23:57] <Rumo> WanHouse:
[23:58] <Rumo> root@falk-desktop:~/Programme# echo "atdt Keso00000000000000" > /dev/ttys0
[23:58] <Rumo> root@falk-desktop:~/Programme#
[23:58] <Rumo> nothing happens
[23:58] <WanHouse> Rumo: Look at the modem, does it blink ?
[23:58] <Rumo> it has no diodes....
[23:59] <Rumo> (no lights)
[23:59] <WanHouse> Rumo: PCI.. hmm, the USB one does ?
[23:59] <nicklas_> hello, on new ubuntu release, can i just upgrade and go on as usual, or is there any difference in installing from scratch every time?
[23:59] <WanHouse> Rumo: You should hear it try to dial out
[23:59] <Rumo> nothing to hear...
[23:59] <WanHouse> Rumo: They used to say "Click"
[23:59]  * mau_restor is away: "sali a fumar... a pensar en el futuro..."