[00:49] <joebaker> One question I need a quick answer to about the Edubuntu server install.
[00:50] <joebaker> Is it required to have 2 nics?
[00:50] <joebaker> It seemed that this might have been why the PowerPC install could have encountered an exception.
[00:51] <joebaker> I'm about to re-install an i386 system now from scratch and I only have a single nic.
[00:52] <joebaker> I'll re-join the conversation from my laptop in a moment.
[19:26] <joebaker> I've been trying to exercise the Encrypted Filesystem on LVM option of Edubuntu 7.10 Gutsy.  It's not working on i386 nor on PowerPC.
[20:01] <joebaker> That was the single automated option I chose.
[20:02] <johnny> you used the alternative cd?
[20:02] <johnny> that worked for me on stock ubuntu
[20:02] <joebaker> I'm re-running the installer, choosing a manual partition scheme.  Switching encryption from aes to twofish.  Changing the keysize down to 128 bits for more speed.
[20:03] <joebaker> Yes Johnny, I'm using the alternative i386 edubuntu Server cd.
[20:03] <johnny> hmm... server cd.. encryption would be annoying there
[20:03] <joebaker> Wait... that's the Server install.
[20:03] <joebaker> Necessary.
[20:03] <johnny> every time you restart the computer, you'd have to type the password..
[20:03] <joebaker> The machine is out in the open and is used for multi-users remotely with NX.
[20:04] <joebaker> The machine should stay up for years on end.
[20:04] <johnny> so the encryption won't do very much then..
[20:04] <johnny> if it's always on
[20:04] <joebaker> If somebody seals the machine....
[20:04] <joebaker> That's where I want the encryption in place.
[20:05] <joebaker> But it worked for you?
[20:05] <joebaker> Was it the server CD or just an alternate install cd for Desktop?
[20:06] <johnny> alternative for desktop
[20:06] <johnny> i put it on my laptop
[20:06] <johnny> and it just worked
[20:06] <joebaker> I left /boot unencrypted.  This is a terrific feature.  I'm very much involved in politics in the US.  I believe the encryption will be essential in coming years.
[20:07] <joebaker> Well, I suppose I should issue a bug report for Server on launchpad.
[20:07] <joebaker> Is it a bug with the installer?  What's the installer's name?
[20:08] <joebaker> I'll bet the installer's name is ubiquity
[20:08] <pygi> debian-installer
[20:08] <pygi> if it's the alternate cd
[20:08] <johnny> ubuquity is the graphical installer
[20:08] <johnny> err ubiquity
[20:09] <joebaker> Thanks
[21:11] <seamus123> HI All
[21:11] <seamus123> Anyone here got any experience using the Thin Client Manager under VMware?
[21:20] <joebaker> Sorry, no I haven't.  I'm hoping to though.
[21:28] <seamus123> ok
[21:28] <seamus123> My primary goal is to try out the thin client manager
[21:28] <seamus123> and I'm wanting to do it under VMware first due to lack of hardware currently ;)
[21:28] <seamus123> However, I can't seem to get VMware to boot across the network
[21:28] <seamus123> and wonder if there is a PXE image that can be used to get VMware up and booting
[21:29] <stgraber> using bridged networking and booting it using the PXE option (press ESC at boot time) usually works
[21:31] <seamus123> hmm
[21:31] <seamus123> but I'm creating the new VM at the moent
[21:31] <seamus123> and it asks for the installation media - either a .iso or a CD/DVD in the drive
[21:31] <seamus123> I can't get past that mode in the wizard to actually tell the VM to "just boot"
[21:31] <seamus123> (Using VMFusion btw)
[21:32] <stgraber> hmm, never tried fusion, I'm usually using workstation or server on Linux
[21:32] <stgraber> go through the wizard then disable everything but the network card
[21:34] <seamus123> trying
[21:35] <seamus123> hold down "Esc" when booting you reckon?
[21:37] <stgraber> at least with workstation that's the way to have the boot menu prompt in the VM
[21:37] <stgraber> you may also enter the BIOS and change the boot order (if Fusion emulates a BIOS as workstation and server do)
[21:39] <seamus123> hmm
[21:39] <seamus123> I've got it booting up now and it's looking for a network boot I think with this message:
[21:39] <seamus123> "Press F12 for a network service boot"
[21:40] <stgraber> ok, so pressing F12 should make it boot using PXE
[21:40] <seamus123> unfortunately there are seom keybooard overrides on OS X that f12 is calling instead of the f12 in the VM
[21:40] <seamus123> grhh
[21:40] <seamus123> I think these can be disabled under VMfusion however
[21:40] <seamus123> checking preference
[21:40] <seamus123> s
[21:41] <stgraber> right, F12 is exposé or something like that IIRC (alt+F12 with compiz on Linux)
[21:41] <seamus123> yup that's correct it is
[21:42] <seamus123> turned off theOS X shortcuts and that booted it
[21:42] <seamus123> here's the (not) funny part - it's seeing the DHCP network from my wider LAN @ work, instead of the DHCP on the Edbuntu VM that's also running
[21:42] <seamus123> DHCP server runs by default on Edbuntu?
[21:43] <seamus123_> hmm
[21:43] <stgraber> hmm, in your case you should probably set two NICs on the Edubuntu VM, one being bridged (the internet), the other being host-only (the LAN on which the edubuntu's dhcp will listen to)
[21:43] <stgraber> then set the NIC of your client to host-only
[21:44] <stgraber> alternatively you may change your work DHCP to send the PXE settings (that's easy if that's a linux dhcpd server)
[21:45] <seamus123_> hmm I set the thinclient VM NIC to host only
[21:45] <seamus123_> and now it finds no DHCP server
[21:46] <stgraber> did you add a host-only NIC to the Edubuntu server as well ?
[21:46] <seamus123_> nope
[21:46] <seamus123_> I'll attempt to do that now
[21:46] <seamus123_> never done it before..,.
[21:46] <stgraber> that will simulate a server connected to a WAN (you work LAN) and to an internal LAN (your thin clients)
[21:47] <stgraber> the dhcpd will run on the host-only card and then your client will receive an ip and the boot parameters
[21:48] <seamus123_> Would I create the 2nd NIC within Ubuntu or VMware admin (sorry for the dumb q)
[21:48] <stgraber> vmware
[21:48] <stgraber> you will have to shutdown the VM, add the 2nd NIC and boot it again
[21:49] <seamus123_> roger - shutting down
[21:49] <seamus123_> (thanks for this help btw: much appreciated!)
[21:50] <seamus123_> ok I've got two networks now: 1) NAT 2) host only
[21:50] <seamus123_> look good?
[21:50] <stgraber> yep
[21:52] <stgraber> I'm not sure the DHCP server will automatically start on the host-only NIC though, you may have to start it by hand
[21:52] <stgraber> just try to boot your client, if that doesn't work, then you'll need to start the dhcp server by hand
[21:55] <seamus123_> ok - on the phone but will try that in 2mins
[22:01] <seamus123_> yup didn;'t see the DHCP server
[22:01] <seamus123_> (from the thin client)
[22:01] <seamus123_> what's the best way to start this manually do you know under Edubuntu
[22:01] <stgraber> sudo ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:01] <stgraber> sudo ifconfig eth1:0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:02] <stgraber> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[22:02] <stgraber> should do it, assuming the NIC is on eth1
[22:04] <seamus123_> hmm interesting - doing the restart of the srvice failed - presumably it was not running in thefirst place!
[22:04] <seamus123_> perhaps DHCP does not start at boot up?
[22:04] <seamus123_> anyway, will try with the thin client now
[22:04] <stgraber> I guess it would have started if the NIC was correctly set
[22:05] <seamus123_> wow! looks like it's booting mate!
[22:05] <seamus123_> fingers crossed
[22:05] <stgraber> (which would have been the case if you had both NICs set at installation time)
[22:05] <stgraber> you may experience a problem when opening a session (access refused)
[22:05] <stgraber> but maybe not :)
[22:05] <seamus123_> yeah I did get access refused!
[22:06] <seamus123_> presumably need to create a user first on the Edubuntu server?
[22:06] <stgraber> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[22:06] <stgraber> sudo ltsp-update-image
[22:06] <stgraber> those two should fix that
[22:06] <seamus123_> on the host?
[22:07] <stgraber> yes, on the server
[22:07] <seamus123_> ok 2nd command is doing something - creating little endian filesystem...
[22:08] <stgraber> yes, can take some minutes
[22:08] <johnny> commands are successful if they don't return output usually
[22:08] <johnny> so it did do something
[22:08] <stgraber> just reboot the client after this one completed
[22:08] <seamus123_> yes I know that (do use Debian linux at work quite a bit) VMware and DHCP is areas I've had v. little experience in however
[22:09] <seamus123_> That is going to take awhile 25% through
[22:09] <seamus123_> Macbook Pro is slogging it's guts out now with two VM's running LOL
[22:10] <stgraber> my server is running 4 at the moment :)
[22:10] <stgraber> and I'm watching a movie connected on a virtual edubuntu server from a real thin client
[22:10] <seamus123_> damn!
[22:10] <seamus123_> CPU/RAM specs?
[22:11] <stgraber> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ and 2GB of RAM
[22:11] <stgraber> root@vagonbrei:~# uptime 23:11:45 up 2 days,  3:38,  1 user,  load average: 0.06, 0.20, 0.21
[22:12] <seamus123_> 11:12  up 5 days,  1:28, 2 users, load averages: 1.54 1.52 1.14
[22:12] <seamus123_> Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, 2GB RAM
[22:12] <stgraber> well, generating a new squashfs uses a bit of CPU :)
[22:13] <seamus123_> ok well that is all done
[22:13] <seamus123_> will reboot the client and see what happens
[22:13] <stgraber> I'm using Xen for my Linux VMs, it's known to take way less CPU but requires you to boot a patched kernel so only working on Linux AFAIK
[22:13] <seamus123_> yeah we use Xen quite a bit at work
[22:13] <pygi> with newest intel or amd you dont have to use a patched kernel
[22:14] <stgraber> hmm, right with the VT or AMD equivalent thing, haven't tried that way though
[22:15] <seamus123_> hmm that may have killed it - not booting to a login screen at all now?!
[22:15] <seamus123_> on thinclient that is
[22:15] <seamus123_> did netboot however
[22:15] <seamus123_> ie ran vmlinuz
[22:15] <stgraber> weird, try : sudo chmod 644 /opt/ltsp/images/*
[22:16] <stgraber> in case something is wrong with file permissions on the squashfs image
[22:16] <seamus123_> There was a bunhc of info spat out after I ran that command e.g.
[22:16] <seamus123_> info: port 2000 is already defined in the conf file
[22:16] <seamus123_> info: taking no action
[22:17] <seamus123_> could that have killed it>?
[22:17] <stgraber> no, that just means that inetd is already configured for that image and will run nbd-server correctly
[22:17] <stgraber> so that's fine
[22:18] <seamus123_> ok
[22:18] <seamus123_> it's working with the permissikons reset
[22:18] <seamus123_> trying to log in now
[22:19] <seamus123_> We have lift off!!
[22:21] <seamus123_> Hmm got in ok, but appears to have just fallen over (the thin client) i.e. window has completely disappeared!
[22:21] <seamus123_> but I think I have the config correct at least
[22:22] <seamus123_> your help was tremendously appreciated
[22:22] <stgraber> np
[22:22] <seamus123_> general q: I would have thought with thin clients that a user database would have to be created first on the host server and that thin clients would authenticate against that user list first
[22:22] <seamus123_> rather than any user creating a "new" user on the fly
[22:23] <stgraber> it uses the same user database as the server
[22:23] <stgraber> so basically what you have in /etc/passwd
[22:23] <seamus123_> ahh!
[22:23] <stgraber> or in LDAP if you have set a ldap auth
[22:23] <seamus123_> 'so I would have logged in as "myself" given on the thin client I used my same user/pass as on the host server
[22:23] <seamus123_> what a mistake!
[22:24] <stgraber> yes, because you certainly logged in twice with the same user/pass which leads to a lot of problem :)
[22:24] <seamus123_> ok I'll create a new separate user and test with that
[22:24] <stgraber> like having nautilus/gconf to complain because they are run twice
[22:24] <seamus123_> may have more success
[22:24] <seamus123_> yup
[22:24] <seamus123_> probably explains why it died when I tried to message myself via the thin client manager ;)
[22:25] <stgraber> note that we'll probably move from tcm to italc with hardy (april 2008)
[22:25] <stgraber> I'm working on the italc integration in Edubuntu and LTSP
[22:26] <seamus123_> italc ?
[22:26] <stgraber> italc.sf.net
[22:27] <seamus123_> Looks greast!
[22:28] <stgraber> yes, except a crash when entering demo mode, it's ready for integration
[22:28] <stgraber> and as I have like 4 months to fix a single crash, it should be in in time :)
[22:29] <seamus123_> I was a little surprised there were no edubuntu forums like ubuntu - this was the only means of support I could find - I've used the ubuntu forums a lot - do you think edubuntu would ever get their own forums up and running?
[22:35] <seamus123> sorry about
[22:35] <seamus123> !
[22:35] <seamus123> who says OS X never crashes ;)
[22:35] <stgraber> well, I don't know for the others but I'm not much of a forum guy, I'm mainly following the mailinglists and IRC. So if you have questions I think it's better to come here and ask (or for LTSP related #ltsp) or subscribe to one of the mailing-list (http://lists.ubuntu.com)
[22:35] <seamus123> think it was the VMware getting well and truly confused
[22:35] <seamus123> thanks stgraber
[22:35] <seamus123> btw: is LTSP packages available in the standard ubuntu repos ?
[22:36] <stgraber> sure
[22:36] <stgraber> every Ubuntu derivates share the same package repository
[22:36] <stgraber> so you could install kde on a xubuntu install for instance
[22:37] <seamus123> yeah but who would choose KDE ;) ;)
[22:37] <pygi> :P
[22:38] <pygi> stop the discrimination, com'on!
[22:38] <stgraber> well, it's the second most used desktop so ... :)
[22:38]  * stgraber was a kde user back to kde 1 and 2
[22:38] <seamus123> ahve to say KDE4 looks pretty faslh
[22:38] <seamus123> flash
[22:39] <stgraber> yep, I'll have to give it a try. Though it's better to stay with the standard desktop when you are doing Ubuntu development (and QA testing in my case) :)
[22:40] <stgraber> installing : ltsp-server-standalone on a standard ubuntu should make your computer a ltsp server (you'll maybe have to tweak the network settings a bit)
[22:40] <seamus123> http://asksanta.co.nz/pic1.png
[22:41] <seamus123> A screenshot showing my success thanks to you!
[22:41] <seamus123> top left = OS X and IRC chat
[22:41] <seamus123> bottom left - edubuntu server
[22:41] <seamus123> bottom right thin client
[22:41] <seamus123> both running in VMfusion
[22:42] <stgraber> sweet
[22:45] <seamus123> as the server amdin can you remote install x11vnc on a client so you can see what they're doing>?
[22:45] <seamus123> I see from within TCM it says this must be installed before you can see their screen
[22:45] <stgraber> you would have to do that inside the client chroot
[22:46] <stgraber> I think we have the instructions on the wiki, let me have a look
[22:46] <seamus123> ok
[22:46] <stgraber> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[22:46] <stgraber> you'll need to add an extra step at the end
[22:46] <stgraber> sudo ltsp-update-image
[22:47] <stgraber> those instructions being for feisty were we didn't have the squashfs image but an exported NFS chroot
[22:47] <stgraber> *where
[22:48] <stgraber> but I have to warn you that the VNC integration in TCM was really buggy (eating tons of RAM IIRC), that's one of the reason why we are moving to italc
[22:48] <stgraber> and the described installation of x11vnc lacks of security (no password required for remote control)
[22:49] <seamus123> ok - I'm only testing this on local VM at the moment, so no security issues
[22:49] <seamus123> read those instructions - this means it would be in place for all thinclients right?
[22:49] <stgraber> yes
[22:50] <stgraber> the thin clients mount some kind of network share (a squashfs image over nbd) at boot time and then use it as a hdd
[22:50] <stgraber> what you do here is modifying this hdd, then all clients will have it after they reboot
[23:02] <seamus123> hmm after I've chroot'ed I can't run apt-get anymore
[23:02] <seamus123> it gets permissions errors accessing the repo files
[23:02] <seamus123> I can run apt-get no worries when not chroot'ed
[23:02] <seamus123> $ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/
[23:02] <seamus123> root@edubuntu:/# apt-get update
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy Release.gpg
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy/main Translation-en_NZ
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy/restricted Translation-en_NZ
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy Release
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy/main Packages
[23:02] <seamus123> Ign file: gutsy/restricted Packages
[23:02] <seamus123> Err file: gutsy/main Packages
[23:02] <seamus123>   File not found
[23:02] <seamus123> Err file: gutsy/restricted Packages
[23:02] <seamus123> etc
[23:03] <stgraber> hmm, ok, so try this (outside of the chroot) : sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/
[23:03] <stgraber> then do : apt-get update and the apt-get install inside of the chroot
[23:03] <stgraber> I think the sources.list of the chroot is broken
[23:03] <pygi> :P
[23:05] <seamus123> sorted ;)
[23:05] <seamus123> btw: rebooted the edubuntu server and the DHCP server fails to start again so looks like a boot config issue
[23:06] <stgraber> yes, you would have to do the ifconfig trick again
[23:06] <stgraber> or set /etc/network/interfaces so eth1 has <IP_ADDRESS> as IP address set at boot time
[23:06] <stgraber> appending :
[23:06] <joebaker> I think the problem I'm having with the encrypted filesystem bootup might have to do with the Intel graphics chip support.
[23:07] <stgraber> iface eth1
[23:07] <stgraber> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:07] <stgraber> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:07] <stgraber> should do it
[23:07] <joebaker> The F1 console is written in bigger fonts sometimes.  Maybe I have  a problem with the framebuffer?
[23:08] <stgraber> joebaker: only tty1 (F1) ? not the others ?
[23:09] <joebaker> The others aren't ready yet... this is early in the boot phase.
[23:09] <stgraber> try with : vga=normal and without splash as boot parameter
[23:09] <stgraber> if that's FB related, your problem will disappear
[23:10] <stgraber> (you can edit the boot line in grub by pressing "e" till you are editing the right line, then once edited you can boot pressing "b")
[23:10] <seamus123> stgraber - does this look valid for /etc/network/interfaces:
[23:10] <seamus123> # The loopback network interface
[23:10] <seamus123> auto lo
[23:10] <seamus123> iface lo inet loopback
[23:10] <seamus123> # The primary network interface
[23:10] <seamus123> auto eth0
[23:10] <seamus123> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:10] <seamus123> iface eth1
[23:10] <seamus123> Address         <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:10] <seamus123> Netmask         <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:11] <stgraber> address and netmask without the uppercases and add an "auto eth1" just the line before "iface eth1"
[23:12] <seamus123> just "before/after" iface eth1 ?
[23:12] <stgraber> before
[23:13] <seamus123> # The primary network interface
[23:13] <seamus123> auto eth0
[23:13] <seamus123> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:13] <seamus123> auto eth1
[23:13] <seamus123> iface eth1
[23:13] <seamus123> address         <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:13] <seamus123> netmask         <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:13] <stgraber> <IP_ADDRESS>, the rest looks good
[23:15] <seamus123> $ /etc/init.d/networking restart
[23:15] <seamus123> open: Permission denied
[23:15] <seamus123>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          /etc/network/interfaces:13: too few parameters for iface line
[23:15] <seamus123> ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[23:15] <seamus123> line 13: iface eth0:1
[23:16] <seamus123> I changed it from eth1 to eth0:1 to see if that fixed it, but no joy
[23:16] <stgraber> argh, right ... : iface eth1 inet static
[23:23] <seamus123> generic q stgraber (since you know an awful lot about this stuff!) do you know if icalc or other ltsp apps have been customised for web cafe usage for linux?
[23:24] <seamus123> (italc sorry!)
[23:24] <stgraber> I know some people use italc to manage web café even if its initial target was classrooms
[23:24] <stgraber> depends on what features you need
[23:25] <seamus123> I guess some form of timing module and ideally billing module would be necessary
[23:25] <seamus123> (just thinking aloud that's all)
[23:26] <stgraber> IIRC they have that kind of thing somewhere on italc todolist (or at least a plugin system)
[23:27] <stgraber> you can still do that yourself (at least the timing part) with a bit of scripting
[23:27] <stgraber> like running a script at session open time which will wait the time the user paid for and the close the session (gnome-session-save --kill --silent)
[23:28] <seamus123> yup
[23:29] <seamus123> was simply curious if anyone had packaged it altogether in a GUI format that's all - seemingly not at this stage (that you're aware of anyway)
[23:29] <seamus123> btw: is iTalc from the Windows world orringally?
[23:29] <seamus123> originally
[23:29] <seamus123> looking at the screenshots it's all XP'ish
[23:30] <stgraber> sort of, it has been done using QT so easily multi-platform
[23:32] <stgraber> and they are planning a MacOS X release too
[23:33] <seamus123> ahhh!
[23:33] <stgraber> http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap
[23:37] <seamus123> btw: got VNCX11 working
[23:37] <seamus123> thanks for the tip on that
[23:37] <seamus123> forgot to run thelast command to update the image
[23:37] <seamus123> but worked after doing that
[23:40] <seamus123> LOL and yes it's buggy - hung the TCM !
[23:41] <stgraber> I told you :)
[23:41] <seamus123> indeed you did ;)
[23:44] <seamus123> hmm blanking a users screen is of limited beneift if they can simply enter their own password again and get full access!
[23:44] <seamus123> is that the intended usage?
[23:44] <stgraber> hmm, well that's how Pete understood my "blank screen" idea :)
[23:44] <stgraber> I of course meant to lock the display, not just prompt for the user password :)
[23:45] <stgraber> that'll be fixed with italc
[23:45] <seamus123> yeah llocking the screen makes far more sense IMHO
[23:46] <seamus123> esp. if it's an admin doing it to a user/student
[23:46] <seamus123> they're clearly blanking it for a reason!
[23:47] <seamus123> well, I've got to say I'm v. impressed with my first forays into thin client usage and Edubuntu
[23:55] <seamus123> Are there any dedicated thin client hardware in v. small form factor available?
[23:56] <stgraber> yes, they are quite a lot, I haven't installed any large network yet (only playing with old computers as client) so I haven't really searched for that, but I know HP do some
[23:56] <stgraber> and there are some specialized manufacturer for that
[23:57] <seamus123> expensive do you know?
[23:57] <stgraber> http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients
[23:57] <stgraber> hmm, IIRC the cheapest are like $120, average should be at a bit more than $200 I think
[23:58] <seamus123> excluding display I presume?
[23:58] <stgraber> indeed
[23:59] <stgraber> Last I checked here they were more like $300-$400 but that's because they just receive no request, then have no stock ... Price are different if you directly order from the manufacturer and ask for a significant quantity (I was personaly looking for a single test unit)
[23:59] <seamus123> yeah ebay may be a good option to pick up 2nd hand ones in small quantities I guess


[01:24] <marvelouzone> anybody on?
[01:26] <bazhang> marvelouzone, yes?
[01:32] <mydogsnameisrudy> nice to know your on bazhang ;_)
[01:35] <skreech_> I'm ON IT!!!
[01:45] <kesten> has anyone ever heard of malware taking webcam photos in ubuntu 11.10 or 12.04?  How would you know if webcam has been activated?
[01:45] <bazhang> kesten, no. where did you hear this
[01:45] <kesten> I hear my webcam click several times a day.  I'm not using it.
[01:46] <bazhang> kesten, so no actual evidence
[01:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> wants to know how to do this ;)
[01:46] <kesten> other than my ears telling me that the sound of a camera is going off no.
[01:46] <bazhang> then no. no malware is doing that.
[01:46] <bazhang> more likely a hdd is dying
[01:47] <kesten> how would you explain the sound?
[01:47] <bazhang> I just did
[01:47] <kesten> ghosts?
[01:47] <bazhang> hdd  <---- dying
[01:48] <bazhang> backup and replace.  more help in ##hardware
[01:48] <kesten> hdd dying could trigger a camera click once or twice a day?
[01:48] <kesten> the hdd was just replaced under warranty a month ago.
[01:48] <bazhang> clicking sound is from hdd. not some malware
[01:48] <bazhang> they die all the time. even very new ones
[01:48] <kesten> interesting.  Can i run a scanner of some sort?
[02:35] <L3top> kesten what kind of drive is it? You can probably use smartctl. touch /forcefsck and reboot will run a file system check... which can point out  a bad sectors etc... but... if its ticking, its a timebomb. I would try and clone it off asap.
[03:05] <su__> is there a way to set drop box to open with dolphin? I have a kubuntu-desktop install over ubuntu in precise, and have been running KDE
[03:06] <su__> i'm kind of wishing i would have installed straight up kubuntu
[03:08] <su__> wondering if there's a text file somewhere that i could edit for the system tray icon
[03:11] <su__> or a default applications editor
[03:17] <su__> found that, dolphin is set to default. i could just unistall natuilus (heard that dropbox will work with dolphin now)
[03:23] <su__> ha uninstalled nautilus problem solved. i booted into gnome once and have not been back since
[03:24] <su__> always preferred dolphin anyhow
[03:32] <su__> tatafornow you all, hope i didn't sound like i have an attitude or something. just getting used to changes :o)
[03:32] <su__> cheers
[04:07] <skreech_> That was a cheerful chap
[04:08] <Yankees52> how can i change the KDE icon?
[04:08] <skreech_> Yankees52: Edit it I suppose?
[04:08] <skreech_> Is there any context to the question?
[04:08] <Yankees52> the kde icon menu button i mean
[04:08] <Yankees52> like change the kde icon to a picture of the NYY logo
[04:09] <skreech_> Sure
[04:09] <skreech_> Right click on it and choose options
[04:09] <skreech_> Or settings
[04:11] <genii-around> Application Launcher Menu Settings...Options... Click on the K logo to choose another icon
[04:12] <Yankees52> you two are my niggas!
[04:12] <Yankees52> thank you!
[04:12] <Yankees52> now i have the yankees logo as my kde start menu
[04:21] <skreech_> :-)
[06:04] <rethus> after upgrade to 12.04 i have no mic anymore.
[06:05] <rethus> i unmute it in alsamixer, but doesn't work anymore.
[06:05] <rethus> any idea how i can ifix this?
[06:17] <kroonrs> rethus: I've had a similar problem before, and fixed it by unlocking the 2 channels, and making one zero
[06:17] <kroonrs> rethus: although that was in pulseaudio
[06:45] <rethus>  kroonrs:whatu did exactly in pulseaudio?
[06:45] <rethus> have you mic 1 and mic2 and mute one of them?
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:52] <kkerwin> Hi. Anyone know anything about what happened to kregexpeditor?
[07:02] <rethus> question: if i open pavucontroll, and choose below in the listfield "All input Devices" on Tab Input-Devices, i also see my 7.1 Surroundsound-Device... thats that, thats are no input-devices... why there are listed there?
[07:11] <Smurphy> Morning.
[07:11] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy how are you?
[07:12] <Smurphy> hmmm .oO(DejaVu ?)
[07:12] <lordievader> ?
[07:12] <Smurphy> Fine - got a Cup of Coffee, Chat open, and work Env. too :) Wife making breakfast :)
[07:12] <Smurphy> u talked about thecup of Tea yesterday ;)
[07:12] <lordievader> Tea is good :)
[07:13] <Smurphy> yeah - depends on what kind of Tea it is. I tend to drink the White Tea from the region of Guang-Zi - but I don't find it here.
[07:14] <lordievader> Smurphy: White tea is good indeed.
[07:40] <Smurphy> Weird - when I invoqe a "cd" from within the script - it won't change my shell to that directory.
[07:40] <Smurphy> Any chance I can force it to leave/exit me there ? in the new directory ?
[07:41] <lordievader> Smurphy: I'm sorry, what is it exactly that you want?
[07:42] <Smurphy> I have a script (wortkLog), which I invoque with newev -c CustomerName
[07:42] <Smurphy> When that script execute - it checks for a directory structure of tha cvustomer. If it does not exist - it creates it, then start emacs with a template file.
[07:43] <Smurphy> Only - usually Ihave things to copy/analyze in the Customer Directory - so I went newev to drop me into the Customer's Logs directory.
[07:43] <Smurphy> Only - when invoquing the script from my $HOME, and having a cd CsrDir in the newev script - it will drop me back in my $HOME - as it's appaently not the same shell session I'm in
[07:44] <lordievader> Smurphy: You do not mean something like this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/59838/how-to-check-if-a-directory-exists-in-a-shell-script
[07:45] <lordievader> Smurphy: So if I get this right, what you want is a script that changes the dir for you?
[07:45] <rethus> got a new 'Kubuntu'-wallpaper, i'd love it: http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=114973
[07:45] <rethus> on my second 19 tft (right panel) it looks realy pretty, cause of the black borders on top and bottom. :)
[07:52] <Smurphy> lordievader: yes. For my current shell
[07:52] <Smurphy> lordievader: Nope - the directory structure checking and/or creation is working. Actually - when the script finishes - I just want to be dropped into the new directory base I created.
[07:53] <Smurphy> pfff ... I like round edges on my wallpapers - like this one: http://www.scenicreflections.com/download/226233/Luis_Royo_(Tears_of_the_Millennium)_Wallpaper/
[07:54] <Smurphy> :}
[07:54] <lordievader> Smurphy: Ok well I found a way to do that.
[07:54] <Smurphy> how that ?
[07:55] <lordievader> Smurphy: I have this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042046/
[07:56] <lordievader> Smurphy: If I envoke it with ./<script> it will just print the command, but if I say $(./<script>) it will execute the output, in other words change to the dir from the echo command.
[08:00] <troels> Hi everyone. I installed Kubuntu 12.04 on an old laptop, and everything works fine - except I get no audio out from the internal speakers (I get audio if I pipe it to my USB headset with pavucontrol though). Anyone who can help with the internal speakers?
[08:05] <Smurphy> troels: Configure the audio settings -> Phonon -> Device preferences.
[08:06] <lordievader> troels: Also check alsamixer that nothing is muted (nothing that shouldn't be atleast).
[08:09] <troels> in alsamixer, it says MM if muted, right?
[08:10] <lordievader> troels: Yes.
[08:11] <troels> Thought so. Well, that is not the issue then. And the Internal Audio device is also on top in the Phonon settings.
[08:13] <lordievader> troels: Its a laptop I guess? There is nothing connected to the line-out?
[08:13] <troels> I have a feeling it might be a driver issue. The laptop is a Toshiba Satellite Pro A120, and aplay -l tells me it is a ALC262 Analog device
[08:13] <troels> Nope, nothing connected to line-out
[08:13] <troels> hmm
[08:14] <lordievader> troels: The line-out does work?
[08:14] <troels> actually aplay -l also tells me about a Si3054 Modem, for which I have proprietary drivers available. Maybe that is it?
[08:14] <troels> yes, line-out works in windows xp
[08:15] <lordievader> troels: In winxp.. but does it work too in Kubuntu? You can give it a try, though it would be strange to call an audio device a modem...
[08:15] <troels> I will try installing the proprietary driver and get back to you
[08:22] <troels> no luck
[08:38] <troels> lordievader: I solved it, but what a weird solution! I had muted the sound in Windows XP, and appearantly that was the issue. I rebooted back into XP, unmuted the sound, rebooted into Kubuntu and now it works!
[08:38] <hateball> That's really weird :D
[08:39] <hateball> akin to a kill-switch for wifi
[08:40] <troels> yeah, I would never have guessed that could be an issue, got the idea from here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/71096
[08:42] <hateball> so somehow it must have a "physical" killswitch that the windows driver invokes then
[08:42] <hateball> rather than just setting volume to 0%
[08:42]  * hateball makes a mental note of this
[08:43] <hateball> One could wonder what would happen if you were to mute in Windows, then wipe the whole windows partition
[08:44] <troels> yeah
[08:44] <troels> in the thread I linked, the guy that to reinstall Windows XP inorder to unmute it
[08:45] <troels> luckily I have XP on a second partition heh
[08:48] <hateball> there is probably a way to send a signal to the card to unmute in Linux as well
[08:49] <troels> yep there must be a bit somewhere that needs to be changed
[08:57] <nicekiwi> how do I tell if im running Nvidia or Nouveau drivers in KDE?
[08:58] <nicekiwi> plzzzz
[09:05] <frogonwheels> Weirdness.  I have 2 machines running Ubuntu 12.04  (64bit).  If I run minecraft on machine A (and A:0 xserver) it crashes the xserver. If I run it on machine A via ssh from B  ( B -ssh-> A and B:0 as xserver) it crashes the xserver (of B).  If I run it on machine B (B:0 as xserver), it works fine, and if I run it on machine B via ssh from A (A -ssh-> B, A:0 as xserver) it works!
[09:07] <frogonwheels> oh wait. different javas.. however ..
[09:09] <hateball> nicekiwi: well, "lsmod |grep nvidia" is one way
[09:10]  * nicekiwi breaths deeply...
[09:14] <frogonwheels> nope. not that.
[09:16] <nicekiwi> hateball: cheers, its not installed and I can run 3D games xD
[09:17] <hateball> nicekiwi: nouveau is pretty decent these days
[09:17] <nicekiwi> hateball: yeah :P stable ftw
[10:11] <Smurphy> Anyone got virtualbox (windows XP running inside) on KUbuntu 12.04 - and Audio working ???
[10:11] <Smurphy> Audio won't work here - no matter what I do, but I needd audio to do/participate to some trainings :(
[10:11] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question:  I use dolphin to access a server using ssh. now the password on this server changed. but dolphin still tries to use the old password as I checked the "remember password" option. well.. how do I change the password now? I can not seem to find anything in the preferences  etc...
[10:14] <Smurphy> password manager ? open it, check for that connection, and delete that entry. It will ask you a new password.
[10:14] <Wizard> howlymowly: Wallet manager.
[10:14] <howlymowly> Wizard: thx.. thats what I was looking for
[10:14] <Wizard> You're welcome. And actually Smurphy was faster :)
[10:14] <Smurphy> anyoe has an answer to the sound problem ???
[10:14] <howlymowly> oops.. sorry Smurphy  thx you too :)
[10:15] <Smurphy> no prob ;_)
[10:15] <howlymowly> Smurphy: me neither :(  sound works out of the box on my system with virutalbox
[10:18] <Smurphy> could you tell me how your sound-settings are configured in the Virtualbox inteface ?
[10:18] <Smurphy> Host Driver -> Pulseaudio or Alsa ?
[10:18] <Smurphy> And what Controller: Using ICH AC97 here.
[10:34] <Smurphy> Installing latest virtualbox build. Maybe it will work after all ...
[10:35] <Solak> where are activities located?
[10:35]  * Solak has 8 virtual desktops and wants the same activity on all 8 with different wallpapers.
[10:40] <Smurphy> Solak: Not using activities. Sorry ...
[10:54] <laubosslink> hi everybody
[10:54] <laubosslink> there is irssi command to list user in topic ?
[10:56] <Smurphy> laubosslink: /who *
[10:56] <Smurphy> ?
[10:56] <Smurphy> users in channel you mena.
[10:56] <laubosslink> yes
[10:56] <Smurphy> There are many.
[10:56] <laubosslink> an example ?
[10:57] <Smurphy> just type in in irssi: /who *
[10:57] <laubosslink> thk :)
[10:57] <Smurphy> np
[10:57] <scotsguy> hey all
[10:58] <Smurphy> yo
[10:58] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning
[10:58] <laubosslink> hi :)
[11:00] <scotsguy> im thinking changing from w7 to kubuntu
[11:00] <mydogsnameisrudy> have you dual booted ?
[11:00] <laubosslink> i'm do it !
[11:00] <scotsguy> anyome gone down this road come across any isues
[11:00] <laubosslink> it's perfect :)
[11:00] <scotsguy> not dual boot
[11:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> try dual boot then you have it if needed
[11:01] <mydogsnameisrudy> but i dont use it , well maybe 2 times in a year
[11:01] <scotsguy> i use my lapy for mostly to watch movies and surf
[11:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> ah would work good for that
[11:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> still i would dual boot first
[11:02] <scotsguy> aww and i covert the odd movie to dvd
[11:05] <laubosslink> what is the key to change email ? about me (cf. /set <the_email_key?><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:08] <nicekiwi> heyyy im getting an error when I try to do an upgrade, i think its trying to upgrade the kernel? http://pastebin.com/DkeuS6j1
[11:11] <hateball> nicekiwi: well you're getting a "device is out of space" error so...
[11:11] <Smurphy> nicekiwi: No place on disk ...
[11:11] <hateball> does "df -h" tell you if that is indeed so?
[11:11] <Smurphy> was about to say so :}
[11:11] <hateball> :)
[11:12] <nicekiwi> hateball: how do I fix that? my /boot partition is only 94MB and its used 84MB already.. somehow :/
[11:16] <Wizard> What do you use for note taking? KJots?
[11:16] <Wizard> I can't remember the alternative, also available in KDE.
[11:17] <Smurphy> nicekiwi: remove some old kernels you don't use
[11:17] <skreech_> scotsguy: To be fair your needs will be different from other people's. What are your needs in W7 ?
[11:17] <nicekiwi> Smurphy: hmm.. theres only 3 there, remove the oldest two? should be ok?
[11:18] <skreech_> Wizard: Or the notes plasmoid
[11:18] <Smurphy> nicekiwi: yup. REmove the oldest. If the newest works - I would leave only that one. How I do it.
[11:18] <nicekiwi> Smurphy: cool, is there a way to do that automatticly? Set a limit of older kernels to keep?
[11:19] <hateball> there was talk of ubuntu implementing that generally... just keep the last two working kernels
[11:19] <hateball> but you could write a script yourself that does that pretty simple I guess
[11:19] <nicekiwi> would be nice.. for such situations..
[11:19] <skreech_> nicekiwi: Yes there is
[11:20] <skreech_> nicekiwi: You can also run sudo apt-get autoclean
[11:20] <nicekiwi> skreech_: :D reveal this to me oh powerful wizard!
[11:20] <skreech_>  or if you like sudo apt-get clean
[11:20] <skreech_> Also check your /var/log/ dir for run away logs
[11:20] <skreech_>  I've had like 60 GB of logs already
[11:20] <hateball> umm... that wont help much for installed kernels on /boot...
[11:21] <nicekiwi> skreech_: ^^
[11:21] <hateball> nicekiwi: but what I would do instead, is resize the partitions :p
[11:21] <nicekiwi> hateball: ha ha yeah.. if only i had LVM :P next time
[11:21] <hateball> you can always boot gparted-live
[11:21] <nicekiwi> is it easy-ish to do?
[11:22] <skreech_> nicekiwi: What are your partitions divided into ?
[11:22] <nicekiwi> true.. but dosnt it still take ages to resize?
[11:22] <hateball> it can take a while resizing the partition after boot, sure
[11:22] <nicekiwi> skreech_: /boot 100MB, swap 1GB, / 220GBish
[11:22] <hateball> but you're probably in for a headache if you do a release-upgrade and have such a small /boot
[11:23] <hateball> I dont bother separating /boot these days, can always repair grub with a live-cd anyhow
[11:23] <nicekiwi> hateball: yeah.. i think id rather just start rocking LVM.. slightly name droppoing to sound cool lol, i hear such operations are relitivly painless with that kinda setup..
[11:24] <hateball> well LVM is nice :)
[11:25] <skreech_> nicekiwi: :-)
[11:25] <skreech_> Relative is such a fun word
[11:25] <skreech_> It's the difference between sawing off your leg with a  hacksaw vs a chainsaw
[11:25] <hateball> nicekiwi: but live-booting and resizing your partitions is less of a headache than backing your system up and reinstalling it with LVM :p
[11:26] <skreech_> It's relatively easier but you are still losing a leg :)
[11:26] <panx> Hello, my KDE (ubu 64) very crashing , what is last repo for KDE?
[11:26] <skreech_> panx: depends. What was the last repo you added?
[11:26] <panx> none... clear installation
[11:26] <panx> and lart update ...
[11:26] <nicekiwi> hateball: is true :P but this is a quite fresh install, i wont loose anything ;)
[11:26] <panx> from muon....
[11:27] <panx> after reboot i've many crashes... so im ask about last repo for update packes....
[11:27] <hateball> Well, *what* is crashing?
[11:27] <panx> kde in fedora working perfectly.... ;f
[11:27] <nicekiwi> hateball: w00t, successfully completed upgrade! :D
[11:27] <panx> kde desktop...
[11:27] <hateball> nicekiwi: :D
[11:27] <panx> its laki X restart...
[11:27]  * nicekiwi shudders at the mention of the SELinux reptile..
[11:27] <panx> like*
[11:28] <nicekiwi> hateball: TAspring, here i come! xD
[11:28] <nicekiwi> hateball: thanks for ur help :D
[11:28] <hateball> nicekiwi: You're welcome
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:29] <skreech_> panx: Is X restarting or the desktop restarting?
[11:29] <skreech_> hi BluesKaj
[11:29] <BluesKaj> hey skreech_
[11:30] <panx> skreech_, crashes of my KDE looks like X restart - first closin all , later black screen and all start for new.. and messanges lakike plasma desktop crashed... ;f
[11:31] <skreech_> If X restarts it will probably ask you to login again
[11:31] <panx> so meybe newest repo repair that...;f
[11:31] <skreech_> Unless you have autologin where you should get the splash screen
[11:31] <hateball> Well, things to try first is to disable stuff like 3D effects
[11:32] <hateball> What GPU chipset/driver do you use?
[11:32] <panx> ah... its my 6x time try to Move on Ubuntu... with KDE
[11:32] <panx> from Fedora
[11:33] <Wizard> panx: o_O
[11:33] <panx> Wizard, o/
[11:33] <Wizard> Hi, panx.
[12:16] <Solak> Smurphy: n.p. it's a bit difficult to find info on how to copy widgets to several desktops.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> BBL
[13:03] <gabraff> Is there any repository to install kde 4.8.90 in kubuntu?
[13:04] <Wizard> Prolly.
[13:04] <Wizard> Look at launchpad
[13:04] <Wizard> and...
[13:04] <Wizard> !ppa | gabraff
[13:15] <gabraff> Is there any video editor to kde?
[13:17] <Sentynel> gabraff: kdenlive
[13:31] <phoenix_firebrd> i have some doubts in kde api, which channel i should head to?
[13:34] <Riddell> phoenix_firebrd: #kde-devel
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: i am a beginner, will they support ?
[13:35] <Riddell> yes
[13:35] <phoenix_firebrd> Riddell: thank you
[13:36] <CruX|> hello which process is responsible for starting task manager when ctrl+esc is pressed ?
[13:36] <CruX|> in kde
[13:36] <phoenix_firebrd> CruX|: ksysguard
[13:36] <CruX|> phoenix_firebrd: yup thats it
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> CruX|: ya
[13:37] <CruX|> but it is not starting when ctrl+esc is pressed
[13:37] <CruX|> :(
[13:37] <phoenix_firebrd> CruX|: did you mess with the global hot keys?
[13:37] <CruX|> i killed some processes
[13:38] <phoenix_firebrd> CruX|: relogin or restart
[13:38] <CruX|> i cant :(
[13:39] <BluesKaj> CruX|, open system monitor
[13:40] <CruX|> hmm
[13:41] <CruX|> is there a way how can I disable all aditional stuff in kde ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> CruX|, why ?
[13:41] <CruX|> i copied KDE from virtualbox into netbool with 1 GB ram
[13:41] <CruX|> after kde is started 400 MB is allocated!
[13:42] <CruX|> there are processes like akonandi, mysql which I don't need
[13:43] <BluesKaj> CruX|, type akonadi into kmenu searchbar
[13:43] <BluesKaj> you can disable it there
[13:45] <CruX|> hmm I got crash :D
[13:48] <jovin> the 12.10 alpha torrent is super slow... :(
[13:50] <BluesKaj> jovin, yup , just try the html download , there aren't many ppl DLing so it's quite fast
[13:53] <BluesKaj> , BBL
[14:24] <laubosslink> hi :)
[14:28] <laubosslink> hi, need help ! there is somebone ?
[14:28] <DarthFrog> !ask
[14:29] <laubosslink> my kubuntu loop (cf. x server)
[14:29] <laubosslink> don't know how to fix it !?
[14:33] <mr_ebola> Hello Everyone ! Have a great day :D
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> any kde programmers here?
[14:37] <phoenix_firebrd> i have a doubt in a kde api
[14:39] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, whynot ask in #kde-devel or #kde
[14:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: kde-devel is sleeping
[14:41] <BluesKaj> wake them up ! :)
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: :)
[14:42] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: let me try in kde
[15:23] <Edwardf414> Does anyone know where I can find reading material on kubuntu just did a hard switch from Mac (I am finally free)
[15:25] <Smurphy> Edwardf414: No docu. It just works :}
[15:26] <Edwardf414> Smurphy: good reply. So pretty much trial and error until I customize and get it running like I want/need?
[15:27] <Smurphy> It is quite easy to get going with it.
[15:27] <Smurphy> Hold on.
[15:28] <Smurphy> Hmm. There is not: The perfect Desktop for Kubuntu yet.
[15:29] <Smurphy> Just the old verison here: http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-kubuntu-11.10 - but it helps maybe to understand what you need to do.,
[15:30] <Smurphy> The repository names change a little though - as you probably have 12.04 by now
[15:30] <greywalk> hi, as far as i understand the theme that is used on kubuntu determines what icons are used as app icons, correct?
[15:31] <Smurphy> greywalk: yup.
[15:31] <murali> Please help. My computer seem to be slowing down a lot. even file transfers is takin a lot of tym
[15:31] <genii-around> Edwardf414: There is some pretty good info If you go to K-button...Applications... at the bottom is Help ( with a life preserver icon )
[15:32] <greywalk> could you please tell where the theme files are stored? i suppose if i want i can substitute a specific icon with another one, correct?
[15:33] <genii-around> greywalk: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme
[15:35] <greywalk> genii-around: thank you
[15:36] <genii-around> greywalk: You're better off to make another folder under there, copy all the contents of the theme you want to modify into that, then mess with it there and not in the original location
[15:37] <greywalk> genii-around: yep, makes sense. will follow your advice. thanks
[15:37] <Edwardf414> Is kde-look.org the best place for themes?
[15:38] <genii-around> Pretty much, yeah
[15:38] <murali> Please help. My computer seem to be slowing down a lot. even file transfers is takin a lot of tym
[15:42] <L3top> murali: Sounds like network issue. http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch04_:_Simple_Network_Troubleshooting
[15:43] <murali> L3top: but my internet is working fine
[15:44] <L3top> Are these transfers local?
[15:44] <L3top> Or across the network?
[15:44] <L3top> Your internet is not as fast as your network (safe assumption)
[15:46] <murali> L3top: file copying from hard disk to external pen drives n vice versa
[15:46] <murali> also tried with different pendrivs as well
[15:46] <L3top> That bottleneck is the pen drive
[15:47] <laubosslink> hi, i've problem with kubuntu at sarting, there is loading but i can't acces to the login panel. It's loading like a loop. Could you help me ? It's since i've use aptitude install... different driver for ati graphic
[15:47] <ansgar_n> is wine broken? I am trying to install wine on a 64bit install of 12.04 but I've got alll kinds of wine:i386 messages and dependencies that are left open.
[15:47] <murali> L3top:also tried with different pendrivs as well
[15:48] <L3top> That does not change the fact that the bottleneck is the nand.
[15:49] <laubosslink> nobody ?
[15:49] <murali> L3top: so the solution?
[15:50] <genii-around> ansgar_n: sudo apt-get install wine:i386
[15:51] <L3top> Need more details murali. Is xfer the only performance hit?
[15:51] <genii-around> laubosslink: Before it begins booting, do you get a grub menu?
[15:51] <L3top> What does top reveal while doing something that you find laggy?
[15:51] <murali> havnt checked it.
[15:52] <laubosslink> genii-around: i've grub menu yes, my os start, but there is loop during graphic loading (i'm on tty1, on the same computer where there is problem)
[15:53] <laubosslink> genii-around: result, i've not my login panel to acces one the desktop
[15:53] <ansgar_n> genii-around: this is the output from that command http://pastebin.com/PGVNEM6e
[15:53] <laubosslink> genii-around: moreover i've not /etc/X11 dir !? it's normal ?
[15:54] <genii-around> laubosslink: Not having  /etc/X11 is abnormal, yes
[15:54] <laubosslink> genii-around: sorry i've, just look
[15:54] <laubosslink> genii-around: could i reset the X11 config ? how ?
[15:54] <murali> Ltop: i just started copying 5 gb, its taking approximately 10 min
[15:55] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Please use apt-get and not aptitude. apt-get deals with multi architecture much better
[15:55] <murali> L3top: i just started copying 5 gb, its taking approximately 10 min. opened top wat shud i be looking for?
[15:55] <laubosslink> genii-around: i've found a lot of topic who talk about use aptitde is better than apt-get !?
[15:56] <genii-around> laubosslink: With the ati drivers, the usual way is with aticonfig from the command line, it configures the xorg.conf usually
[15:56] <laubosslink> genii-around: ok, i look
[15:56] <ansgar_n> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/689Xh4dz unfortunately in this case, it's just less verbose
[15:57] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Do you have some external repositories or so on?
[15:58] <ansgar_n> Only the ones on by default in the alternate install cd. It's a brand new install.
[15:58] <genii-around> ansgar_n: If you try sudo apt-get install wine1.4:i386    what is the result?
[15:59] <ansgar_n> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/U7ufxKAw output from trying wine1.4:i386
[15:59] <genii-around> Hm
[16:00] <genii-around> !info wine1.4
[16:00] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Do you have universe repository enabled?
[16:03] <L3top> murali: processor/memory pegging. It could very well be a bad memory module. Might reboot to live disk and run memtest
[16:04] <murali> L3top: My desktop is of core i5, 4gb ram. will it be of any advantage to install 64 bit ubuntu 12.04 over 32 bit.
[16:05] <L3top> I doubt you would be able to tell any difference at all. Also with the PAE kernel you don't need to worry about RAM limitations on 32 bit anymore.
[16:05] <ansgar_n> genii-around: yes i do
[16:06] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[16:06] <murali> L3top: How can i use tht PAE kernel. Is it a default one with ubuntu 12.04?
[16:07] <L3top> I believe it is autosensing... but you can explicitly install it.
[16:07] <ansgar_n> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/fJLvVZ91 here you go
[16:07] <L3top> murali: uname -r
[16:08] <murali> L3top: 3.0.0-17-generic-pae
[16:08] <murali> this is wat i got
[16:08] <L3top> that is what you want ;P
[16:09] <murali> L3top: Thank you very much for ur help. I will run the memory tests. gudnite
[16:10] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Ok, all that looks in good order. Did you do sudo apt-get update  or equivalent before trying to install wine, to get the latest lists?
[16:10] <ansgar_n> yes
[16:10] <ansgar_n> does aptitude and apt-get share lists?
[16:11] <ansgar_n> ran it again with apt-get instead, same problems
[16:12] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Yes, they share lists, it's all the same underneath
[16:13] <ansgar_n> that's what I thought. this is so strange for a new install. I've confused things before by having other repos installed and not pinning things correctly but this is fresh.
[16:13] <genii-around> ansgar_n: I think it may be due to previous install exiting with error, half-installed packages, etc. Perhaps try sudo apt-get -f install    to see if it clears up some backlog
[16:17] <genii-around> ansgar_n: Is it chugging along?
[16:17] <ansgar_n> it came right back to prompt. It did report that I had 11 updates to apply. so i ran apt-get upgrade
[16:17] <ansgar_n> now i'll retry wine
[16:18] <ansgar_n> no change
[16:19] <genii-around> ansgar_n: sudo apt-get remove --purge wine      perhaps, then to try again. ...Were any of the upgrades kernel stuff? Might have required a reboot since
[16:19] <ansgar_n> the kernel stuff was "kept back"
[16:20] <genii-around> Hm
[16:23] <ansgar_n> i'm installing those packages manually. then i'll reboot and try again.
[16:25] <ansgar_n> bbl,
[16:25] <ansgar_n> thanks for your help
[16:25] <genii-around> ansgar_n: From the wine1.4:i386 pastebin, looks like the particular version it wants might be the issue. the other stuff is just recommends and not depends
[16:25] <genii-around> Meh
[16:41] <laubosslink> genii-around: i've the same problem, after amd-driver-installer[..].run -buildpkg, and dpkg -i fglrx*.deb, and amd-config --initial -f
[16:42] <genii-around> laubosslink: So you have been manually installing the package?
[16:44] <genii-around> eg: you didn't just install the fglrx driver from the repository
[16:45] <laubosslink> laubosslink: yes
[16:45] <laubosslink> genii-around: yes
[16:46] <laubosslink> genii-around: from step1, i've follow http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian
[16:47] <genii-around> laubosslink: I would suggest first to just use the fglrx driver from the restricted repository. If you need to manually install, also use the ubuntu dorections and not the debian, they differ
[16:48] <laubosslink> genii-around: i've the tty8, with kubuntu logo, and the point wich turn like a loop (sorry, i'm french)
[16:48] <genii-around> eg: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Precise_Installation_Guide
[16:49] <laubosslink> genii-around: will try, thank for your help !
[16:50] <genii-around> laubosslink: To just get up and operating, I would suggest: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise main restricted" | sudo tee -a  /etc/apt/sources.list    then: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fglrx
[16:52] <laubosslink> genii-around: fglrx is already the newest version !
[16:53] <genii-around> laubosslink: And so when the login screen comes up, it blinks a few times then exits, and then tries to reload again etc?
[16:54] <laubosslink> genii-around: there is no login screen comes up, there is loading page (with kde logo) wich continue without stop
[16:55] <laubosslink> genii-around: just the point blind without stop
[16:55] <genii-around> OK.
[16:55] <laubosslink> genii-around: look logs ?
[16:57] <genii-around> laubosslink: sudo rm /var/log/Xorg.0.log && sudo touch /var/log/Xorg.0.log   ... then sudo service kdm restart     ... then pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log  to see if it holds any clues
[16:57] <genii-around> !pastebinit
[16:59] <aboudreault> Is kubuntu precise installer able to recover my ecryptfs home partition if I use LVM filesystem?
[17:00] <laubosslink> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042640
[17:01] <laubosslink> genii-around: sorry this is my old xorg.conf ! after the command sudi service kdm restart there is not new Xorg file !
[17:02] <genii-around> laubosslink: lines 104-108 indicate the fglrx driver is not installed properly
[17:03] <laubosslink> genii-around: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042645
[17:04] <genii-around> laubosslink: sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx && sudo apt-get install fglrx
[17:06] <laubosslink> genii-around: it's not a problem if tty8 (graphic), continue to run ? and i remove fglrx
[17:07] <genii-around> laubosslink: No worries
[17:07] <genii-around> Work, back in a few
[17:07] <laubosslink> genii-around: i've purge, and install, and after i've sudo service kdm restart but no Xorg log file
[17:08] <laubosslink> genii-around: restart the pc ?
[17:13] <laubosslink> sudo reboot
[17:13] <laubosslink> lol
[17:13] <genii-around> laubosslink: Did you do the part: sudo touch /var/log/Xorg.0.log     ?
[17:16] <genii-around> laubosslink: Did you do the part: sudo touch /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?     ( case sensitive )
[17:17] <laubosslink> genii-around: there is not this file.
[17:17] <genii-around> Hm
[17:18] <laubosslink> genii-around: there is Xorg.0.log.old (paste bin link, that i've give you before)
[17:18] <laubosslink> and the Xorg.0.log that i've delete, was empty
[17:19] <laubosslink> genii-around: it could be faster that reinstall, but i would like to understand ! lol
[17:19] <laubosslink> genii-around: (reinstall kubuntu)
[17:19] <genii-around> laubosslink: Does result of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg                    show that it is actually installed?
[17:20] <laubosslink> genii-around: 1:7.6 yes
[17:20] <laubosslink> genii-around: installed
[17:21] <L3top> laubosslink: can I get the output of lspci -nn | grep 'VGA'
[17:22] <laubosslink> L3top: yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042674
[17:23] <L3top> laubosslink: and as I understand it you do have fglrx installed?
[17:23] <laubosslink> L3top: yes i've
[17:24] <genii-around> L3top: Manually installed by the Debian instructions at cchtml
[17:25] <L3top> laubosslink: what I would do, if you DO have an xorg.conf, is sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bu. then sudo ati-config --initial
[17:25] <L3top> oh manually installed.
[17:25] <L3top> what version?
[17:26] <L3top> oh.. nm... that chipset isnt affected by the latest drop.
[17:26] <laubosslink> L3top: last version
[17:27] <L3top> 12-5 dropped support for half the cards on the planet... but yours isn't one of them.
[17:28] <laubosslink> just to explain the situation i had an SSD, and it break this week end (before it work with control catalyst, with the 3 scren, and my video card)
[17:28] <L3top> HD 2xxx-4xxxx, Rx2xx-rx8xx  Xpress... etc etc are now dropped.
[17:28] <laubosslink> noew i've buy a new ssd, do the same instructions (i think), and problem !
[17:28] <laubosslink> now*
[17:29] <L3top> You should not need anything outside of the repos.
[17:29] <L3top> apt-cache policy fglrx-amdcccle | grep Installed
[17:30] <laubosslink> L3top: Installed yes
[17:31] <L3top> You could try fglrx-amdcccle-updates if what we have done has not worked... do you now have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf and can you pastebin it please?
[17:32] <laubosslink> L3top: i've not this command
[17:32] <laubosslink> L3top: i've just fglrxinfo command
[17:32] <laubosslink> L3top: and i've purge, fglrx, and after install
[17:33] <L3top> I do not understand.
[17:33] <L3top> Lets start over, shall we?
[17:33] <laubosslink> yes
[17:34] <laubosslink> L3top: i've purge fglrx, after i've install fglrx, and now when i look for the command, i've just fglrxinfo command
[17:35] <laubosslink> L3top: flrxinfo-amd... doesn't exist
[17:35] <L3top> ok... to be clear... this is 1204 right?
[17:36] <L3top> I am about to give you a pastebin of commands.
[17:36] <laubosslink> L3top: what is 1204 ?
[17:36] <L3top> but they differ across versions.
[17:37] <L3top> what is the output of lsb_release -sc
[17:37] <laubosslink> L3top: precise
[17:37] <L3top> precise = version 12.04 for the record
[17:38] <laubosslink> L3top: yes
[17:39] <L3top> you can just copy and paste this whole thing into terminal, and then reboot. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042698/
[17:40] <laubosslink> L3top: i'm do it
[17:55] <laubosslink> L3top: same problem, give you the output of the commands
[17:56] <laubosslink> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042725
[17:56] <laubosslink> L3top: i've no error during process
[17:56] <L3top> Ok.. give me a second laubosslink.
[17:57] <laubosslink> L3top: no problem :)
[17:58] <fasta> Can anyone recommend a non-broken music player with some decent features for Project Neon versions of KDE? The player could be GTK based; I don't care.
[17:59] <fasta> Applications which don't work according to my standards: Rhythmbox, Clementine, Juk (the amarok delivered in Project Neon). Plain amarok was fine.
[17:59] <BluesKaj> VLC?
[17:59] <fasta> VLC is meant for different things.
[17:59] <fasta> (and also doesn't work with Project Neon)
[17:59] <BluesKaj> it plays mostly anything
[17:59] <fasta> Perhaps this is a Project Neon problem.
[18:00] <fasta> VLC itself works without Project Neon.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> painted yourself into a corner with that project neon
[18:00] <Tm_T> fasta: use stable Amarok?
[18:01] <fasta> Tm_T: appears to be incompatible with project neon.
[18:02] <fasta> I don't really see why such dependencies exist however.
[18:03] <Tm_T> could you be more specific?
[18:04] <fasta> Tm_T: some kind of dbus problem when I start it.
[18:04] <fasta> Tm_T: this wasn't the case before project neon.
[18:04] <fasta> project neon seems to better in all other areas.
[18:16] <Tm_T> fasta: could you provide the exact error message? it's quite possible it's fixable
[18:17] <laubosslink> L3top: are you there ?
[18:17] <fasta> Tm_T: I am currently switching to Banshee now.
[18:17] <Tm_T> allright
[18:17] <fasta> Tm_T: I only need to configure a few media keys and it works.
[18:17] <fasta> Tm_T: thanks anyway.
[18:17] <Tm_T> for the future, "doesn't work" tells nothing about the problem (:
[18:19] <fasta> Tm_T: tell that to the developers ;)
[18:19] <fasta> Tm_T: a good application should be able to tell exactly the kind of environment it needs when it starts.
[18:21] <fasta> dbus seems like a good idea, but if it itself is not stable, it's just a nightmare.
[18:22] <fasta> It's much better if every program has an associated daemon which listens to messages delivered via simple shell commands.
[18:22] <fasta> This is what banshee does incidentally.
[18:22] <fasta> Or well, that's perhaps not true.
[18:23] <fasta> In any case, it works.
[18:26] <L3top> sorry laubosslink, got pulled away on another project
[18:26] <laubosslink> L3top: no problem :)
[18:27] <L3top> laubosslink: We probaly should have started with "describe the problem to me" but I just came in half way and everything was half chunked... so at least we have a clean platform to start from.
[18:27] <L3top> So what is the problem?
[18:28] <L3top> and can I see your /boot/grub/grub.conf?
[18:29] <laubosslink> L3top: when the computer start, i've the logo KDE, with poin which blind (like a loop)
[18:29] <fasta> Too bad Banshee is also slightly buggy.
[18:29] <laubosslink> L3top: but the login frame doesn't come
[18:29] <fasta> Not a huge problem in this case, though.
[18:29] <laubosslink> L3top: I can't logged to acces on desktop
[18:29] <L3top> gotcha... let me see that grub conf.
[18:30] <fasta> Still, 10+ media players and not a single one which doesn't have a problem within 5 minutes of using it.
[18:30] <laubosslink> L3top: 2minute
[18:30] <laubosslink> L3top: what is the file ?
[18:30] <L3top> /boot/grub/grub.conf
[18:31] <aboudreault> no
[18:31] <aboudreault> grub.cfg
[18:31] <laubosslink> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042774
[18:31] <laubosslink> aboudreault: yeah thk :)
[18:33] <L3top> sorry... yes... thank you aboudreault
[18:33] <aboudreault> np
[18:35] <fasta> Banshee doesn't exit when you tell it to close.
[18:35] <fasta> That's hilarious.
[18:36] <fasta> What's even more hilarious is that users defend this.
[18:37] <fasta> Ok, so banshee is out too (another nogo bug found)
[18:38] <fasta> Tm_T: Amarok could not find any collection plugins. It is possible that Amarok is installed under the wrong prefix, please fix your installation using:
[18:38] <fasta> Tm_T: this is what stable Amarok gives me.
[18:38] <laubosslink> L3top: grub seem to be ok ?
[18:39] <L3top> laubosslink: in /etc/default/grub I want you to add          acpi=off radeon.modeset=0        to the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[18:40] <L3top> actually... it is probably smarter to try and boot with these additions first as a test
[18:40] <L3top> before permanently adding them
[18:42] <laubosslink> L3top: i add ; to separe acpi=off; radeon.modeset=0 ?
[18:42] <L3top> So boot to grub menu (press shift like a madman while booting) and edit the boot param to add those two lines, then press ctrl X a  and see what we have.
[18:43] <L3top> no just spaces
[18:43] <L3top> by two lines I mean two parameters, not lines
[18:43] <laubosslink> L3top: i add now, or at the start ?
[18:44] <L3top> We are going to test them before applying them
[18:44] <L3top> leave that /etc/default/grub line alone
[18:44] <L3top> reboot, pressing shift, pres tab or e (I dont remember it will say) to edit the command options, add them to the line, and ctrl X to save then boot
[18:45] <laubosslink> L3top: i reboot
[18:45] <laubosslink> L3top: i come back
[18:45] <L3top> If it works, then add them to the /etc/default/grub at the line above.
[18:45] <L3top> ok
[18:45] <L3top> Ill be here
[18:46] <BluesKaj> you just have to hold the left shift key down right after the bios scrn to get the grub menu , and yes "e" is the edit key
[18:48] <qw> hello all
[18:48] <laubosslink> L3top: same probleme
[18:49] <skreech_> Hi qw
[18:49] <L3top> laubosslink: were you able to log in before, without installing the ati drivers?
[18:49] <qw> advise please what can be got system?
[18:49] <laubosslink> L3top: yes of course
[18:50] <L3top> laubosslink: Just have to go over everything to eliminate non driver related stuff.
[18:50] <skreech_> !doesntwork
[18:50] <L3top> laubosslink: can you do the same thing but change the 0 to a 1? I will find the other one that it could be.
[18:51] <skreech_> Ah good that still exists
[18:51] <qw> Lubuntu 12.10 Alpha [i386 + amd64] (2xCD) is good system?
[18:51] <laubosslink> L3top: i'm do it again, it's acpi=off and radeon.setmode=1 ?
[18:51] <L3top> yes please.
[18:52] <L3top> can probably drop the acpi=off
[18:52] <L3top> but to be safe lets keep it
[18:52] <laubosslink> L3top: drop = remove ?
[19:02] <laubosslink> L3top: just reinstall kubuntu ! lol there is nothing which run
[19:02] <laubosslink> L3top: if i will have same problem, come again ! Or make ubuntu topic's on the forum
[19:02] <laubosslink> L3top: thk for all !!
[19:03] <laubosslink> genii-around: thank for all too
[19:03] <L3top> no problems
[19:03] <L3top> I have company now too... so... if you have the same problem... I should be free
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !alpha | qw
[19:04] <qw> hm?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !quantal
[19:05] <qw> advise please what can be got system?
[19:05] <BluesKaj> qw, 12.10 is still in development , it's an official release , and is not stable
[19:06] <BluesKaj> it's not official
[19:06] <qw> i am understand this
[19:08] <qw> prompt me please where I can disconnect a function that for me nebylo exit from the system if for me a mouse is inactive
[19:09] <qw> prompt me please where I can disconnect a function that I did not have an exit from the system if for me a mouse is inactive *
[19:12] <L3top> alt f4?
[19:13] <shan> Hi,Installing windows app with 'Wine' in Linux will work fine. it's showing target location 'C:' that's my Windows partition.?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> qw .ctrl+alt+delete
[19:14] <josy1982> ja ne mogu vise
[19:14] <genii-around> shan: Not usually. More often it's a folder in your home directory that Wine thinks is it's hard drive
[19:14] <rork> !fr | josy1982
[19:16] <rork> so he was kroatian...
[19:16] <genii-around> shan: eg: /home/your-username/.wine/drive_c
[19:18] <shan> genii-around: means, that's not the actual C:\program files......... location. it's just 'Wine' visualization.
[19:19] <shan> so it is safe to install with just clicking 'Next next & next and if there is again any' with my eye's closed.? :)
[19:25] <shan> Wine isn't here > /home/your-username/.wine/drive_c
[19:26] <BluesKaj> rork, his IP shows Frankfurt , but his post din't look like german to me:)
[19:35] <rork> BluesKaj: his hostname is german indeed, I let google decide the language and it translated back from Croatian
[19:37] <BluesKaj> rork, right :)
[19:37] <shan> how to uninstall app installed by 'Wine'?
[19:39] <genii-around> shan: wine uninstaller     ..in terminal/konsole
[19:40] <shan> ok
[19:40] <shan> yep, Thanks removed the app :)
[19:50] <shan> http://imagebin.org/216547
[19:52] <Eddard414> Has anyone ran kubuntu on Lenovo ideapad s205 laptop
[19:53] <genii-around> !laptop
[19:53] <Eddard414> Thanks
[20:26] <asfyxia> Eddard414: Lenovo has a good reputation for running on (k)ubuntu. To be sure, take a live-CD to the shop. Mostly they are helpful with that, not to say quite curious and interested.
[22:10] <zapper> hi
[22:11] <zapper> does anyone know why kubuntu 12.04 doesn't support mounting MTP devices?
[22:11] <zapper> in 11.04 i remember plugging my android phone in MTP mode and it worked out of the box
[22:15] <Elfon> alo povo
[22:15] <BarkingFish> !pt | Elfon
[22:51] <uberdub> can someone please tell me why suspend to ram works in 10.04 but not 11.1 or 12.04???
[23:05] <uberdub> any one?
[23:17] <uberdub> can someone please tell me why suspend to ram works in 10.04 but not 11.1 or 12.04???
[23:22] <uberdub> wtf man, I dont get this. why are their so many issues with later versions? Isnt it supposed to get better as its developed?
[23:24] <uberdub> is their no one alive in here?