[00:00] <mercury00> nightelf, for instance, the dd program is fairly simple afaict and not using high level code, whereas I can't speak to whether something like python, ruby or java are making effecient use of write operations to disk
[00:00] <tatertots> I have some questions about your setup Haydar but it will sound like i'm going off topic when i go down that line of questioning so we might have to skip to your third problem or you can hit me up on hangouts/skype.....i'm a friendly person
[00:01] <tatertots> :P
[00:01] <HaydarOzturk34> Yeah that would be better choice I don't wanna disturb anyone at all
[00:01] <HaydarOzturk34> what is your skype id
[00:02] <HaydarOzturk34> or hangout would be better
[00:04] <HaydarOzturk34> tatertots: look out the private massage
[00:05] <tatertots> brb guys ...apparently she wants me to do something else now....i took out the trash already geez
[00:09] <NightElf> mercury00, you are right, at least now i'm sure that the ramdisk is working fine and the problem is related to the writing script. that would help me alot to find out what the problem is, thanks for your help i appreciate it.
[00:10] <extinct_potato> i'm so fucking dumb
[00:13] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Was there a proprietary driver in use in the old install ... that gor broke in the upgrade ?
[00:13] <hartxt> hi, I had a dual boot going in a laptop with Win10 on the main SSD and Ubuntu on the 2nd SSD. Now I need to move the Ubuntu SSD to a different PC on its own but it's not recognized as a bootable device, how do I fix that?
[00:13] <Mikubuntu> O this is VERY frustrating I'm starting to remember that this was a very painful install way back in 2014
[00:14] <HeyThere> channel seems rather dead at this time, so ill ask a stupid question: i need a new phone, can i justify buying an iphone, if one of the main reasons i switched from microsoft windows to ubuntu is that i am a supporter of open software or more strictly the free software foundations believe. (casual user, non technical)
[00:15] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om I am trying to remember what the problem was way back then but it was so long ago
[00:15] <Ben64> HeyThere: you might want to try #ubuntu-offtopic since it's not about ubuntu support
[00:15] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Drivers can be that .. we follow the path af least resistence. At the login screen, can you activate a console ( ctl+alt+F1) ?
[00:15] <HeyThere> (not ready to take the step to furbished thinkpads and trisquel)
[00:16] <winston2k> hartxt you need to install on another pc since its prolly not identicle hardware
[00:16] <HeyThere> Ben64: the channel is +r
[00:16] <Ben64> so register
[00:17] <Mikubuntu> I will try doing a HD check now not sure why it's all Greek to me
[00:17] <Bashing-om> !tab | Mikubuntu
[00:18] <HeyThere> Ben64: fair enough, i just didnt feel like registering just to join a channel on an irc network, might proceed though as im bored ^^
[00:19] <HeyThere> Ben64: btw, do you know why it's +r, it wasn't in 08.
[00:19] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om no tab key on tablet lol
[00:19] <hartxt> yes it's not the same hardware but won't proprietary drivers work? would booting via livecd and using bootrepair work?
[00:19] <winston2k> imho its more work than doing an install
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Long as you nick to me so I see the response .. busy channel and easy otherwise to miss !
[00:20] <winston2k> the result will be more stable and you will just be back here doing it the other way
[00:21] <Ben64> HeyThere: spam
[00:21] <RandomNewb> Ben64: so it's got +r to keep people like me out away, considering my stupid question ^^
[00:22] <monte_cristo> i made a backup archive of my home directory, but it pulledd in a bunch of a random crap that i dont really want in there,
[00:22] <tgm4883> hartxt: I'd try that, boot repair
[00:22] <RandomNewb> (just changed nick)
[00:22] <monte_cristo> what is the best tool to like, examine stuff in an archive and purge some things
[00:22] <monte_cristo> is it "engrampa" now?
[00:22] <monte_cristo> or is there a new one
[00:23] <hartxt> winston2k: my dev environment is pretty complex which is why i don't want to go from scratch again.. would I be able to restore a system backup after a reinstall to get all my apps and packages on again?
[00:23] <tgm4883> hartxt: have you tried the boot-repair option yet?
[00:23] <hartxt> no, still making the livecd
[00:24] <tgm4883> hartxt: I don't see why that wouldn't work
[00:24] <hartxt> ok thanks
[00:24] <tgm4883> hartxt: proprietary graphics drivers installed?
[00:26] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om maybe I don't even have live image on this stick I will have to go find a working box to see .. guess I see u later. Thx for trying to help
[00:27] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Fix this install ?
[00:29] <winston2k> hartxt: you should be able to
[00:30] <Hinjes> Hello. I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to recognize my keyboard and mouse. I'm booting from a USB and trying to install it to my SSD. Does anyone have advice?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> Hinjes: bios based machine ? Maybe in bios insure that "USB devices " is set as "legacy" ,, AND that "plug and play" is enabled .
[00:33] <Hinjes> Thank you. I'll try
[00:35] <Hinjes> The mouse works, sometimes, but the keyboard is fully inoperable.
[00:36] <Bashing-om> Hinjes: K, sounds like a driver thing .. in that Bios is passing to the system wrong info .. see what changing the settings in bios effects ( take good notes on what you change !) .
[00:38] <Hinjes> I updated my BIOS to tell it that I have a tower cooling unit on the CPU
[00:38] <Hinjes> Where should I look to modify USB settings?
[00:38] <Hinjes> It's an ASUS bios, if that helps at all
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Hinjes: Each and every bios is different.
[00:40] <Hinjes> I set the USB Support to "full initialization"
[00:43] <Bashing-om> Hinjes: Try and see .
[00:43] <Hinjes> the hotkeys work, but when I try typing in libreoffice, nothing shows up
[00:44] <Hinjes> so it's accepting the input, that's not the issue.
[00:45] <Hinjes> Also, I can't close libreoffice...
[00:45] <Hinjes> This is very strange
[00:46] <Hinjes> Maybe there's something fundamental here I'm not getting
[00:46] <Hinjes> I can press 'c' to continue things
[00:52] <HaydarOzturk34_> Guys a friend in here said I can use my separate hard drives half to dual boot without loosing any of my data
[00:52] <HaydarOzturk34_> Do you guys know how to do that on ubuntu?
[00:52] <HaydarOzturk34_> or should I wait my friend?
[00:53] <tgm4883> !dualboot | HaydarOzturk34_
[00:53] <HaydarOzturk34_> thanks
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Hinjes: That "c' to continue ... grub boot menu ? You are not able to boot into the install ?
[01:03] <Hinjes> Nope. I can't get to the install itself
[01:03] <Hinjes> the keyboard and mouse stop working
[01:04] <Hinjes> I had the disk check to see if there were any defects and it said there weren't
[01:08] <mikolotko> Just reformatted "D" drive into ext4 for file storage. Tried to copy/cut+paste on it afterwards but can't. When I tried the sudo caja approach, I suddenly can. Is there something I've done wrong in the formatting stage on gparted?
[01:08] <tgm4883> mikolotko: sounds like permissions aren't set correctly
[01:09] <Hinjes> I got to the "who are you?" part of the install and then the keyboard stopped working again.
[01:09] <mikolotko> True, it looks like it, tgm4883. Should I reformat? Or do post format things to change permissions?
[01:10] <mnathani> I am running an application called graylog, and need to assign permissions to that user to bind to ports < 1024 without running the application as root
[01:10] <tgm4883> mikolotko: don't reformat, you'll be in the same boat you are in now. Where did you mount the drive?
, I just clicked on it. GUI.
[01:11] <tgm4883> mikolotko: this is an internal drive?
[01:11] <mikolotko> tgm4883, yes.
[01:12] <tgm4883> mikolotko: probably best to mount it somewhere first. Once mounted, we can change the permissions on the drivec
[01:12] <tgm4883> mikolotko: what's the output of 'lsblk'
[01:12] <dota> Who is familiar with UEFI? I found that something in UFEI was changed by my ubuntu 16, causing WIN8 unable to discover any USB3.0 devices. I got to load defaults of UEFI to solve the problem.
 Alright. And, I don't know what lsblk means, yet.
[01:13] <mnathani> how do I make an IPtable rule persistent
, and google search keywords I should know so that I can go on my way? There seems to be a lot of people in need of help here.
[01:13] <mikolotko> any*
[01:13] <monte_cristo> hmmm
[01:14] <monte_cristo> i was running "engrampa" as root
[01:14] <monte_cristo> to look at my backup image
[01:14] <monte_cristo> and it said "the filesystem "root" has no diskspace remaining"
[01:14] <tgm4883> mikolotko: start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive  once you have it mounted, you'll need to chown the directory to your user
 hmm, chown seems familiar during 14.04 lts days. I'll look into it. Thank you.
[01:34] <backbox> howdy there, buckaroo!
[01:37] <monte_cristo> omg
[01:37] <monte_cristo> i am trying to view a 25.7 GB bz2 file
[01:37] <monte_cristo> and it is taking forever to open
[01:39] <monte_cristo> i should have used gzip i guess
[01:39] <benevolentdictat> How did I get ubuntu bash running on Windows 10 now?
[01:41] <Bashing-om> !ubuwin | benevolentdictat
[01:41] <benevolentdictat> thanks
[01:44] <Bashing-om> benevolentdictat: Also welcome to join the discussion : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2318965&page=10 .
[01:49] <Optiprism> Im trying to Dual Boot win10 and ubuntu16.04, if I press "install alongside" i still get to choose the partition right?
[01:50] <Optiprism> Sigh I'm just gonna try
[01:50] <Tin_man> no I don't think so
[01:51] <Tin_man> i think you need the bottom choice don't have it in front of me
[01:51] <Tin_man> your screen
[01:51] <Optiprism> Ah ok
[01:51] <Tin_man> what is your bottom choice?
[01:51] <Tin_man> something else, or something like that
[01:52] <Optiprism> Yeah I'll try that out
[01:52] <Tin_man> good luck
[01:52] <Tin_man> if in doubt don't!
[01:53] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: That "manual install" option is if you have done the homework and prior prudent planning !
[01:55] <Optiprism> Hmm, yeah I'm a bit confused by it, not sure where to put the boot loader in
[01:56] <Optiprism> What exactly does the "install alongside" option do?
[01:57] <Tin_man> kinda divides your partition, and puts ubuntu along side windows
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: How many physical hard drives are internal ? The "install alongside" will install grub to the 1st (sda) drive\ .
[01:58] <Optiprism> Ah I see, so say I have 1 ssd with Windows on it, and another HDD where I want to create a partition in to dual boot Ubuntu from
[01:59] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | Optiprism
[01:59] <Optiprism> I would choose something else and create a swap space and a / partition and put the bootloader on the HDD right?
[02:00] <Optiprism> Thanks I'll read that
[02:01] <Tin_man> i've set up dual boot that way, but i didn't have a ssd, just 2 ide drives, but put ubuntu on the slave drive, and kept mint on the master drive, and it worked fine..
[02:02] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: Yeah . in essense correct . prior to install set up the partitions as you want . ( I do like partitions of '/', /home, and /swap ) . Else if you have a OS on the 2nd driver, "install alongside ) let the wizard do a default install and then one will need to manually install the boot code after the install completes .
[02:04] <Bashing-om> Tin_man: Keep in mind in Optiprism's situation, Windows on the primary drive and Windows will not talk grub .
[02:04] <Tin_man> yes, i see that, as i mentioned mine was mint, not Windows
[02:07] <Optiprism> Hmm, so I think I'll try to install the bootloader on the HDD without windows on it, in which case I assume I can select the disk I want my bios to load via boot order?
[02:08] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: Somewhat, Windows boot code on the primary driver will not be touched or altered .. Grub on the 2nd drive can talk Windows, and from grub's boot menu you can choose which system to boot .
[02:09] <Optiprism> Oh I see, yeah this will work for me
[02:10] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: That way. booting the 2nd drive you choose the OS . Can then always boot Windows on the 1st drive by changing the boot priority .
[02:11] <Optiprism> Well installing it now, let's see if this works :D
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Optiprism: :) Ain't no step for a stepper .
[02:22] <Tin_man> hope all goes well, i'm outta here..
[02:35] <DonJuan692006> Hey peeps! I'm having issues with getting switchable graphics setup on my laptop that I just installed 16.04 on.
[02:36] <Bashing-om> DonJuan692006: Show the channel in a pastebin what we are working with - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' - .
[02:39] <DonJuan692006> http://pastebin.com/rNQL0NKp
[02:42] <Bashing-om> DonJuan692006: Intel/AMD hybrid graphics .. Not sure personally how that works .. othesr here will have to pick up my slack .
[02:42] <DonJuan692006> Bashing-om: Done.
[02:43] <DonJuan692006> I'm actually not interested in keeping the hybrid functionality. I'm wanting to force over to the AMD graphics and keep it there.
[02:43] <Bashing-om> DonJuan692006: Lemme look and see if switchroo is still the thing in 16.04 .
[02:44] <DonJuan692006> Bashing-om: I tried going that route, but none of the commands are making any changes to the switch file.
[02:48] <Bashing-om> DonJuan692006: See : http://askubuntu.com/questions/783205/swapping-between-video-cards-on-ubuntu-16-04 . That help ?
[02:52] <DonJuan692006> Bashing-om: Unfortunately, no. The discrete card is showing as DynOFF for me.
[02:55] <dm_> hola
[03:05] <virgoretti6> would anyone here know why I don't seem to be able to boot my computer from a USB drive?
[03:06] <DonJuan692006> UEFI?
[03:07] <virgoretti6> What?
[03:07] <DonJuan692006> What computer do you have? Does is have secure boot enabled?
[03:08] <virgoretti6> Acer AXC-603G-UW30, and I think it does.
[03:11] <DonJuan692006> You probably need to disable secure boot from BIOS. What are you trying to boot?
[03:15] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: How did you prepare the USB drive? How did you try to boot from it? What happened when you tried?
[03:15] <virgoretti6> DonJuan692006 Puppy
[03:17] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U by using dd, and I put "Removable Drive" as the first priority in the boot menu
[03:31] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: That's 2 out of 3 questions answered, but also this channel only suppoets Ubuntu. If you dd an Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit iso to a USB drive I expect you will be able to boot from it.
[03:37] <L72g5sSq> hello
[03:44] <ubuntucoustomeri> Hi
[03:44] <ubuntucoustomeri> I need help

[03:45] <ubuntucoustomeri> Help
[03:45] <ubuntucoustomeri> My IOMEGA ZIP 100
[03:45] <ubuntucoustomeri> I do have a floppy drive too
[03:46] <ubuntucoustomeri> !!!!!
[03:46] <ubuntucoustomeri> !!!!!
[03:46] <ubuntucoustomeri> !!!!!
[03:46] <ubuntucoustomeri> !!!!!
[03:46] <ubuntucoustomeri> !!!!!
[03:49] <liuxg> is there any NFC lib for armhf?
[04:11] <NoCode> Hi, is the transparency issue fixed for gnome shell?
[04:13] <NoCode> @bug gnome-shell transparency
[04:27] <Yuri4_> Guys, my command `mupx deploy` fails with some errors. Some guys on github tolde me "Try deploying while running mupx logs -f to get more info from the logs." How do I do that?
[04:47] <rukai> Is boot-repair the only way to fix an overwritten mbr on ubuntu? I'm used to using a regular install usb to fix it in Arch Linux.
[04:47] <ubuntu> hi
[04:50] <rukai> Oh, dont worry, figured it out
[04:55] <BaconC> Ok so I am desperate so I am asking anywhere I can. If anyone here owns a HTC Desire 620 with TWRP recovery and is willing to make a backup of their stock rom for me please let me know so I can unbrick my phone :3
[04:55] <Guest43731> i have an skylake i7 processor with 520 intel hd graphics. I am using ubuntu 14.04.4 with kernal 4.4.8. When I checked with powertop compiz is using >200 events /s and it is draining a hell lot of power.  Gnome metacity and xfce are the only one without any problem. Is it because of any driver issue?
[04:58] <Guest43731> Any help?
[04:59] <Guest43731> Nyone here? A little help?
[04:59] <baizon> Guest43731: yes, what troubles you?
[05:00] <Guest43731> the power usage
[05:00] <Guest43731> i do want to use gnome
[05:00] <Guest43731> But compiz is using all the power and the battery is draining so quickly
[05:01] <baizon> Guest43731: did you disable the 3d fancy stuff?
[05:01] <Guest43731> mationyes. I tried disabling all the ani
[05:02] <Guest43731> yes. I tried disabling all the animations also
[05:02] <baizon> Guest43731: try powertop and or tlp
[05:02] <Guest43731> I did tried kde plasma and gnome 3
[05:03] <Guest43731> In kde instead of compiz gnome-shell is taking all the resources.
[05:03] <baizon> Guest43731: these are "heavy" DE
[05:03] <baizon> they use more resources then for example xfce or lxde
[05:04] <Guest43731> But I tested the these de using some other systems. They all uses < 100 evets /sec and not draining much resources
[05:05] <baizon> Guest43731: yes because, they are "lightweight"
[05:07] <Guest43731> I tested unity in my old laptop. It is only using <100 events /s. But in my system even if i disable all the fancy stuffs it goes beyond 500 events /s. I heard there are some problems with the latest skylake series from intel. Is it because of that?
[05:08] <baizon> Guest43731: cant tell you that, im not using intel
[05:08] <Guest43731> mm. k
[05:10] <Guest43731> If you are good with kernel stuffs, can you check this url? https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2015q4-intel-graphics-stack-release
[05:12] <baizon> Guest43731: ubuntu 16.04 uses 4.4 kernel, so if youre using 14.04 this is usefull, else not
[05:13] <Guest43731> am using 14.04 with kernel 4.4.8
[05:13] <baizon> Guest43731: well i guess not everything is up 2 date then
[05:15] <Guest43731> Installing those individual packages have any effect?
[05:15] <Guest43731> like Mesa - 11.0.4, xf86-video-intel - 2.99.917, etc...
[05:16] <baizon> Guest43731: this can break your system, i would recommend to upgrade to 16.04
[05:16] <VirtualMan> Hello!
[05:17] <VirtualMan> Any know how to work with the Virtual-manager or KVM or qemu?
[05:18] <Guest43731> k baizon
[05:19] <VirtualMan> Where support?
[05:19] <Guest43731> thanx i will try live booting and check t problem still exist in 16.04
[05:19] <baizon> Guest43731: np, good idea
[05:19] <VirtualMan> what problem?
[05:25] <VirtualMan> Help please
[05:29] <VirtualMan> Hello! Friens! Any Here?
[05:29] <baizon> VirtualMan: well its 7AM, so many are sleeping. Thats why you have to be patient
[05:30] <VirtualMan> 8 :30
[05:30] <veXx> does virt-manager not have an option for creating snapshots? im using qcow2 format but still not seeing it anywhere
[05:30] <VirtualMan> I noob and not know hot to work KVM
[05:32] <VirtualMan> I run Gateway and Whonix. But I think Whonix not see Gateway.
[05:32] <VirtualMan> No Whonix and Workstation
[05:33] <VirtualMan> Workstation not can work with the Gateway
[05:33] <VirtualMan> SO why?
[05:35] <VirtualMan> Who use Virtual-Manager?
[05:39] <hidamari> .....
[05:49] <veXx>  /sigh
[05:51] <zamnuts> need some help getting iptables to take effect, i come from RHEL so the lack of `service iptables ...` is throwing me off. ufw is disabled, i'm using iptables-persistent (which is working), but in the following configuration i can still access port 80 (which i shouldn't be able to): http://paste.ubuntu.com/17841498/
[05:52] <zamnuts> i have event attempted to explicitly --dport 80 -j DROP, but still no effect
[05:52] <zamnuts> s/event/even/
[05:53] <scilence> what is this ?
[05:56] <zamnuts> @scilence \x20 ?
[05:56] <scilence> 这里主要聊什么呀
[05:56] <who> hey
[05:57] <who> I am new to Ubuntu
[05:57] <scilence> What is the main chat here
[05:57] <who> is it secure
[05:57] <who> science @ Ubuntu OS
[05:58] <scilence> everybody here?
[05:59] <scilence> anybody here?
[06:00] <scilence> Why I can't have to install playonlinux?
[06:01] <McLight> I love to fight with my computer is Ubuntu good for that?
[06:01] <baizon> scilence: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PlayOnLinux
[06:02] <scilence> thanks you @baizon
[06:03]  * shanky_ says "hello"
[06:12] <abhishek> any free google drive clients for ubuntu?
[06:13] <abhishek> insync and overGrive seem good but they are paid.
[06:13] <shanky_> exit\
[06:13] <shanky_> exit
[06:17] <ztag100> Judging from the documentation, 3 finger gestures are supposed to be enabled by default, but I don't have any, does anyone know how I can get them to work?
[06:17] <ztag100> My laptop is an l521x
[06:18] <tatertots> hello
[06:20] <TheLizardElf> Hello hello[
[06:22] <tatertots> those hours that no one on the planet earth has ubuntu linux questions or issues
[06:23] <tatertots> the 5th dimension
[06:26] <McLight> twilight zone
[06:27] <TheLizardElf> Anybody here have the time to help me out with Networking a few devices and securing my connection?
[06:29] <TheLizardElf> :-!
[06:29] <akik> !ask | TheLizardElf
[06:30] <tatertots> ask your question Lizard
[06:30] <TheLizardElf> ![atoemce
[06:31] <tatertots> what's the issue?
[06:31] <TheLizardElf> My question is, new to Ubuntu, punks have been munipulating my dads phone and my black berry, I need to get them all secure and find out what type of scripting has been done
[06:32] <McLight> maybe a shrink
[06:32] <akik> TheLizardElf: that's not an ubuntu question unless it's a ubuntu phone -> #ubuntu-touch
[06:32] <TheLizardElf> no its just ubuntu desktops
[06:32] <akik> TheLizardElf: usually when a device is compromised, the best way to go forward is reset/re-flash
[06:32] <tatertots> when does ubuntu linux come into play in the situation lizard?
[06:32] <TheLizardElf> flash the bios?
[06:33] <akik> TheLizardElf: you were talking about phones
[06:33] <TheLizardElf> I switched from windows to ubuntu
[06:33] <TheLizardElf> yea an iphone
[06:33] <akik> wat?
[06:34] <TheLizardElf> like how do I set up a home VPN\
[06:34] <tatertots> ah ok now i understand
[06:34] <tatertots> you are using or have access to a computer running ubuntu
[06:34] <TheLizardElf> yup
[06:34] <TheLizardElf> and about the comprised device, do I need to flash the bios?
[06:35] <tatertots> lizard tell me what type of "manipulation" the punks did to your dads phone and your blackberry?
[06:35] <TheLizardElf> i learnt some pretty distrubing things today
[06:36] <TheLizardElf> they are compromised, keylogged, mic hacked and camera
[06:36] <TheLizardElf> my house is sickening
[06:37] <TheLizardElf> i cant have friends over or live a life
[06:37] <tatertots> what version of ubuntu are you running lizard?
[06:37] <TheLizardElf> 16.4?
[06:38] <tatertots> what kind of computer?..or what hardware specs?
[06:38] <TheLizardElf> hp 1 gig ram
[06:38] <TheLizardElf> 1.8 ghz
[06:39] <tatertots> laptop or desktop?
[06:39] <TheLizardElf> lao
[06:39] <McLight> Schizophrenia is what you want to learn about
[06:39] <TheLizardElf> hahah
[06:39] <TheLizardElf> nope, just ptsd from this prolonged exposure to.....the band
[06:40] <Laogeodritt> TheLizardElf: what?
[06:40] <TheLizardElf> hehehe
[06:40] <TheLizardElf> never mind
[06:40] <Laogeodritt> ...
[06:40] <TheLizardElf> someone going to help me set up a secure network or what
[06:41] <tatertots> lizard where's your black berry at right now?
[06:41] <TheLizardElf> spying on spys
[06:42] <HoloIRCUser4> Hi
[06:42] <tatertots> i mean where is your black berry at geographically, in relation to where you are? you as in your physical person or body?
[06:42] <TheLizardElf>  haha, its close
[06:42] <TheLizardElf> why
[06:42] <tatertots> you want a secure network right?
[06:42] <TheLizardElf> yup
[06:43] <tatertots> ok
[06:43] <TheLizardElf> brb
[06:44] <TheLizardElf> back
[06:47] <HoloIRCUser4> Where is gopal
[06:47] <TheLizardElf> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]
[06:47] <TheLizardElf> its like calling he police, you just get put on hold
[06:49] <tatertots> the people that help out around here sometimes ask questions to better assist people with ubuntu
[06:49] <TheLizardElf> ok tater
[06:49] <tatertots> but if you don't answer their questions they can't really help you much
[06:50] <TheLizardElf> whats the question
[06:50] <TheLizardElf> and im not giving out address and stuff on here
[06:50] <TheLizardElf> i shouldnt have too
[06:50] <tatertots> it's too late now
[06:50] <TheLizardElf> hhaha
[06:50] <tatertots> you could have just scrolled up and read what was asked
[06:50] <TheLizardElf> yea it shows up
[06:51] <TheLizardElf> Black berry is beside me, I am ready to secure
[06:52] <tatertots> but since you showed that you're not even willing to do two very basic things, one being scrolling up, the other reading.
[06:52] <hp> Good afternoon frnds
[06:52] <TheLizardElf> stfu
[06:52] <TheLizardElf> i did
[06:52] <TheLizardElf> ubuntu weiner
[06:55] <tatertots> hmm that was just odd...he didn't even have a real ubuntu issue......imagine that
[06:56] <McLight> nutz are good protein
[06:56] <tatertots> lol
[06:59] <abhishek> do you guys use any anti-virus for ubuntu?
[07:00] <tatertots> hello abhishek
[07:00] <abhishek> tatertots, hey!
[07:00] <tatertots> what's kind of ubuntu problem are you having?..what version? what kind of computer/hardware? when did you first notice the issue?
[07:01] <abhishek> tatertots, Sorry, are you asking me?
[07:01] <tatertots> @ abhishek
[07:02] <akik> !antivirus | abhishek
[07:03] <htns> hi guys
[07:03] <hans__> Hello
[07:03] <htns> hey hans__
[07:03] <htns> how experineced are you with GNU/Linux in general?
[07:03] <hans__> A little bit
[07:04] <hans__> I personally use Ubuntu Unity
[07:04] <abhishek> akik, thanks, which one do you suggest? I tried clamav once, it's cli interface was weird for me.
[07:04] <akik> abhishek: i don't use one so can't suggest any
[07:04] <hans__> Clamav shows false positives
[07:05] <abhishek> hans__, is it? can you suggest better alternative?
[07:05] <ducasse> AbigailBuccaneer: clamtk is a gui for clamav.
[07:05] <hans__> for wine I would suggest Kaspersky Internet Security
[07:05] <abhishek> Sorry being a bit paranoid of security after watching mr.robot.
[07:06] <hans__> Does anyone speak German here?
[07:08] <McLight> I have question I love fight with my computer is Ubuntu good for me?
[07:08] <akik> !de
[07:08] <msev-> Does anyone know a bash oneliner :), to detect a certain bluetooth device (if I input its mac address)
[07:09] <tatertots> what version of ubuntu msev?
[07:11] <tatertots> what are you having trouble with msev?
[07:14] <tatertots> McLight you shouldn't fight with your computer...violence never solves anything :P
[07:14] <McLight> kk
[07:14] <keesh> how can i stream my desktop to a service like youtbue or even my own server
[07:14] <ducasse> msev-: 'man hcitool' - look at the 'info' option.
[07:15] <msev-> thanks
[07:15] <msev-> tatertots, its ubuntu 14.04
[07:16] <Qatalist> virsh -c qemu:///system net-define Whonix_network*.xml error: Failed to define network from Whonix_network-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml error: operation failed: network 'Whonix' already exists with uuid bd458b04-98a3-406d-9afb-97795049e646
[07:16] <msev-> no problems just want to use it as presence detection
[07:16] <msev-> when the computer detects my phone it should trigger some stuff
[07:16] <msev-> :)
[07:16] <Qatalist> How to remove it?
[07:18] <tatertots> Qatalist what is it that you are trying to remove?
[07:19] <ducasse> msev-: i've seen scripts online for locking the screen when a phone goes out of reach, you could look for those and start there.
[07:19] <Qatalist> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/KVM
[07:19] <Qatalist> tatertots, I want to update xml
[07:20] <Qatalist> tatertots, I changed config
[07:20] <msev-> can't find it ducasse
[07:20] <msev-> :)
[07:21] <Qatalist> tatertots, Importing Whonix VM Templates  https://www.whonix.org/wiki/KVM
[07:23] <ducasse> msev-: first hit on google: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/blueproximity-use-bluetooth-device-to.html
[07:24] <msev-> this is useless
[07:24] <msev-> i don't want it for that purpose
[07:24] <msev-> I want it simply for presence detection
[07:24] <msev-> so my home automation system (nodered) knows my presence
[07:26] <tatertots> Qatalist does that mean you changed the configuration of the vm that you created from template?
[07:26] <ducasse> msev-: seems it can also launch scripts.
[07:27] <tatertots> ah ok
[07:27] <Qatalist> tatertots, I changed xml
[07:27] <msev-> ducasse, then its cool :D
[07:28] <tatertots> what changes did you make? @ Qatalist?
[07:28] <tatertots> why did you make those changes? @ Qatalist
[07:29] <Qatalist> tatertots, How to fix this problem?
[07:31] <Qatalist> Any help please
[07:32] <tatertots> @Qatalist have you tried to import a known good template?....known good as in a template that you haven't made changes to xml data?
[07:33] <tatertots> are you able to successfully import a known good template?
[07:34] <tatertots> @Qatalist ^
[07:34] <tatertots> @Qatalist yes/no?
[07:35] <ducasse> Qatalist: try
[07:35] <ducasse> Qatalist: try 'virsh -c qemu:///system net-undefine Whonix'
[07:39] <Secret-Fire> how to disable suspend/hibernate in terminal in 16.04?
[07:40] <Qatalist> Just how to fix this stupid bug?
[07:41] <Qatalist> Any fix stupid manual please
[07:41] <ducasse> Qatalist: did you try the command i gave you?
[07:41] <Tin_man> Secret-Fire, might try this link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1792/how-can-i-suspend-hibernate-from-command-line
[07:42] <Secret-Fire> Tin_man: how to DISABLE suspend/hibernate in terminal in 16.04?
[07:42] <Qatalist> ducasse, Network Whonix has been undefined
[07:43] <ducasse> Qatalist: that should have done it.
[07:43] <Tin_man> don't if it's changed from the terminal point of view Secret-Fire ..
[07:44] <Tin_man> http://askubuntu.com/questions/777178/suspend-command-in-ubuntu-16-04
[07:46] <Qatalist>  virsh -c qemu:///system define Whonix-Gateway*.xml error: Failed to define domain from Whonix-Gateway-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml error: operation failed: domain 'Whonix-Gateway' already exists with uuid 1ed124b0-ec1e-4a3f-9f8c-f466e9c4e137
[07:46] <Tin_man> Secret-Fire, it says that ( systemctl suspend -i ) is the command for suspend in 16.04
[07:46] <Tin_man> i can't test it, i'm on a windows machine now..
[07:47] <ducasse> Qatalist: is there more than one file that matches the mask you give it?
[07:49] <Qatalist> ducasse, NO
[07:49] <Qatalist> only one Gateway + xml
[07:50] <ducasse> Qatalist: try 'virsh -c qemu:///system net-undefine Whonix-Gateway'
[07:51] <Qatalist> virsh -c qemu:///system net-undefine Whonix-Gateway error: failed to get network 'Whonix-Gateway' error: Network not found: no network with matching name 'Whonix-Gateway'
[07:52] <htns> is there a way to get more info on ubuntu packages? like i want to see if i should install one package over another
[07:53] <Qatalist> ducasse, maybe remove all config of this lib?
[07:53] <catopett> I have a blueray rom that will not play movies in ubuntu , what would possibility be wrong , there are programs that read blueray disks for ubuntu ?
[07:53] <Qatalist> or purgen
[07:56] <tatertots> what are you trying to play blu ray with catopett? what software?...i play blu ray on my ubuntu all the time
[07:56] <juanonymous> is it possible to install openssl on the machine without root access?
[07:57] <tatertots> Juan you want to make changes to a linux computer by installing additional software on it, but do NOT have administrative level access aka root?
[07:58] <tatertots> @ juanonymous
[07:58] <juanonymous> i do not have root privilege
[07:58] <tatertots> then you will not be installing any additional software
[07:59] <juanonymous> yes, i think so. hehe
[07:59] <ducasse> juanonymous: you can build it from source in your homedir.
[07:59] <juanonymous> i do not have link for openssl source
[07:59] <juanonymous> i mean i do not know how to install it
[08:00] <ducasse> juanonymous: https://www.openssl.org/ - docs on the site.
[08:02] <Secret-Fire> Tin_man: I think i figured it out in the LightDM GTK
[08:05] <juanonymous> is this correct when trying to configure openssl -> ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local
[08:08] <ducasse> juanonymous: look for an INSTALL or README file in the source dir, it should tell you how to proceed.
[08:08] <hariaakash> Guys I am finding an error like this "wine: '/home/user' is not owned by you, refusing to create a configuration directory there"
[08:10] <hariaakash> anyone out here can you help me ? I have tried google alot, but I have to run wine as sudo which is the problem
[08:10] <bowlOfPetunias> hariaakash; does it literally say /home/user
[08:11] <hariaakash> yep it is the directory where the exe file stays
[08:12] <hariaakash> wine won't allow to run sudo, but I want to force it to run
[08:15] <ducasse> hariaakash: it won't allow it because it is a terrible idea. see https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Should_I_run_Wine_as_root.3F
[08:16] <yottanami> I am using an Ubuntu server it will change content of /etc/resolve.conf after each reboot. any change to fix it?
[08:16] <tatertots> Hariaakash you probably feel you have a justified reason or some logic in forcing sudo with wine.
[08:16] <tatertots> you don't
[08:17] <hariaakash> thanks bro
[08:17] <Qato> Hey!
[08:17] <ducasse> yottanami: if you need to edit resolv.conf, place your edits in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
[08:18] <Qato> If you enter on #whonix and desconnected then you can't enter on #whonix next time. You will inter on the ##whonix. But there no people! BUG!
[08:19] <yottanami> ducasse, I edited it and changed my nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS> but the problem is after each reboot it will change to another IP address
[08:19] <Qato> And need change IP and remove cookies for enter on #whonix.
[08:19] <Qato> Why ?
[08:20] <ducasse> yottanami: probably gets it via dhcp.
[08:20] <Qato> ducasse, but with the chat
[08:20] <Qato> ducasse, bug with the chat
[08:20] <ducasse> Qato: not our problem.
[08:21] <Qato> How it?
[08:21] <ducasse> Qato: try #freenode
[08:21] <tatertots> chat seems to be working fine here
[08:21] <Qato> ducasse, all good with other channels!
[08:21] <tatertots> hello..can you guys see my typing?...............yep it's working
[08:22] <Qato> I use Freenode WEBCHAT
[08:22] <hariaakash> I use kiwiirc
[08:22] <Qato> I always use freenode webchat BUT ONLY HERE THIS PROBLEM
[08:23] <ducasse> Qato: it's not an ubuntu problem, ask in #freenode
[08:23] <Qato> oh
[08:24] <yottanami> ducasse, But I am using static IP here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://dpaste.com/2QHEFF1
[08:24] <Qato> freenode have not whonix chat?
[08:24] <Qato> *U#M(*U@#(*UT(GV$
[08:24] <ducasse> yottanami: then add dns-nameserver lines, see 'man interfaces'
[08:25] <Qato> ducasse, what to do?
[08:25] <Qato> ducasse, with the KVM?
[08:28] <anabain> In 16.04, I've given up trying to run a radeon video card that is giving me pain with artifacts and other noce goodies, due to the lack of fglrx suuport. I'n switching to nvidia. Where can I find info about what card can support 4K and run smoothly on linux?
[08:30] <Qato> ducasse, /home/q/Downloads/uch/Whonix-Gateway-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml /home/q/Downloads/uch/Whonix_network-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml /home/q/Downloads/uch/Whonix-Workstation-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml
[08:31] <Qato> ducasse, virsh -c qemu:///system define Whonix-Gateway*.xml error: Failed to define domain from Whonix-Gateway-<IP_ADDRESS>.1.xml error: operation failed: domain 'Whonix-Gateway' already exists with uuid 1ed124b0-ec1e-4a3f-9f8c-f466e9c4e137
[09:00] <Yuri4_> Guys, I need to find a line "METEOR_SKIP_NPM_REBUILD=0" inside some file. But, I don't know where this file is located. How do I search for the file that contains it withing /home/telescope? Search also should be done in hidden folders such as /home/telescope/.npm/
[09:01] <rbasak> Yuri4_: grep -lr METEOR_SKIP_NPM_REBUILD /home/telescope
[09:02] <Yuri4_> rbasak, thanks!
[09:02] <selckin> how can i see why removing lightdm wants to install ~90 gnome packages?
[09:02] <rbasak> Yuri4_: np. See http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/grep.1.html for details
[09:03] <Fabou> Hi everyone
[09:03] <rbasak> selckin: see Debug::pkgProblemResolver in apt.conf(5)
[09:03] <Fabou> I have a problem with my external hard disk. I used it to save automatically my /home
[09:04] <Fabou> but ubuntu can't see it now
[09:04] <Fabou> sudo fdisk -l, sudo mount, and gparted don't see it
[09:05] <selckin> rbasak: perfcet, thank you
[09:05] <gebbione> my ubuntu is very slaggish, opening a browser tab, switching to another window etc. I can see CPU usually between 20% with tops of 70% and memory 4gb out of 12. So this doesnt look like it has any problems. What else can be slowing things down ???
[09:07] <jatt> usually opening a browser tab should now increase CPU usage to 70%
[09:08] <effectnet> hello.  i had a performance boost when i switched to chromium.
[09:08] <tatertots> Fabou.....can you see anything in the logs when you disconnect/connect it to the various USB or 1394 ports on your computer?
[09:08] <effectnet> wish i had 12G, i am using a pos box 4G max
[09:09] <effectnet> did you open the system performance thing, do you see anything there?
[09:09] <Fabou> tatertots, any command to see it?
[09:09] <effectnet> (re: sluggish)
[09:09] <gebbione> define:anything and performance thing
[09:10] <tatertots> Fabou....have you tried other known good usb ports ?
[09:10] <effectnet> "System Monitor" on the launch bar
[09:10] <gebbione> i use Task Manager
[09:11] <aruns> Hi.
[09:11] <Fabou> on my macbook pro, I have only 2 usb ports. 1 is used by I usb stick that I have to put in it in order to boot my mac and the other one is the usb disk.
[09:11] <bogusjokes> is there a way to use the old upgrade process for packages in 16.04 so an icon appears in the dock when there is updates instead of having a notification and updating through gnome software?
[09:11] <aruns> I am running Ubuntu 14.04.4 on a Dell Latitude D610.
[09:11] <aruns> I have no sound :/
[09:11] <effectnet> gebbione,  how long has it been slugginsh
[09:12] <jatt> aruns: do you use pulseaudio?
[09:12] <aruns> I have both the XFCE and Unity desktop environments.
[09:12] <aruns> jatt: Both pulseaudio and alsa mixer.
[09:12] <tatertots> Fabou.....can you see anything in the logs when you disconnect/connect it to the various USB or 1394 ports on your computer?
[09:12] <Fabou> tatertots, I can remove the usb stick as I use ubuntu actually. I try to reboot my computer and change usb ports
[09:12] <Fabou> tatertots, can you tell we where I can see ogs you are talking about?
[09:12] <aruns> jatt: I tried purging and reinstalling both, to no avail.
[09:12] <jatt> aruns: have you tried to remove pulseaudio?
[09:13] <jatt> aruns: sometimes pulseaudio conflicts with alsa
[09:13] <aruns> jatt: Ah.
[09:13] <aruns> jatt: Let me also tell you what my sound card is...if I can find it out.
[09:13] <yottanami> ducasse, I add dns-nameservers but the problem is it removed after reboot from /etc/networks/interfaces and reset to previews config
[09:14] <ducasse> yottanami: then edit whatever generates that file.
[09:14] <effectnet> gebbione, good luck with it hope you find it
[09:14] <aruns> jatt: I believe it is the Intel ICH6.
[09:14] <gebbione> effectnet, thanks :)
[09:15] <yottanami> ducasse, Is anyway to find out what is generating my interface file? because it is not a desktop version to use gnome-network-manager
[09:15] <effectnet> let me know later if you want
[09:15] <ducasse> yottanami: in a default ubuntu install nothing does. it must be something you have installed or set up.
[09:16] <tatertots> Fabou....you said "I try to reboot my computer and change usb ports"....have you already done that troubleshooting step or are you still in the process of doing it?
[09:16] <jatt> aruns: intel chipsets are very well supported by linux, doubt it's a problem with the chipset not being supported. can you check whether you have the kernel modules running? please try:
[09:16] <jatt> lsmod | grep snd
[09:16] <jatt> and pastebin the output.
[09:16] <Fabou> tatertots, +I tried to find how I can see logs. dmesg see that I plug off/on my external hd
[09:17] <yottanami> ducasse, I did not configured this server but I need to fix the problem is anyway to find what is generating interfaces file?
[09:17] <Giles1> Hey, how can I show the menu bar in nautilus on ubuntu 15.10
[09:17] <Fabou> tatertots, http://pastebin.com/fSbd23JV
[09:17] <ducasse> yottanami: as i said, nothing in standard ubuntu does. i can't answer for something someone else have added.
[09:18] <Fabou> tatertots, so my usb seems to work properly, isn't it?
[09:18] <EriC^^> yottanami: what's the problem?
[09:18] <Fabou> tatertots, if it is not enough I can now restart my mac and change ports.
[09:19] <aruns> jatt: https://bpaste.net/show/5f8615c1bb49
[09:19] <ducasse> yottanami: try 'find /etc -name interfaces\*' maybe?
[09:20] <yottanami> EriC^^, The problem is my /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/networks/interfaces is generating after reboot and ignore my changes on an ubuntu server
[09:20]  * RtMFaerie advises looking into /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and /etc/resolvconf.conf
[09:20] <EriC^^> yottanami: that's the standard behavior for /etc/resolv.conf
[09:21] <EriC^^> it says so in the file #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[09:21] <yottanami> EriC^^, So how should I change the nameserver?
[09:21] <jatt> aruns: looks fine I think the module is snd_intel8x0 and it's loaded. Please try to remove pulseaudio and retry
[09:22] <aruns> jatt: Using  sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove?
[09:22] <yottanami> EriC^^, I tried adding `dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS>` in interfaces but it changed after reboot too http://dpaste.com/1XX7S89
[09:22] <ducasse> yottanami: the interfaces file says it is generated from interfaces.head and interfaces.tail, so you need to change those.
[09:23] <jatt> aruns: yes, you can try with apt-get some packages might depend on pulseaudio
[09:23] <EriC^^> yottanami: try "man resolvconf" i've never done it myself so i can't really say how to do it
[09:23] <EriC^^> yottanami: this might be helpful http://askubuntu.com/questions/239169/how-to-edit-etc-resolv-conf-on-ubuntu-12-04
[09:23] <aruns> OK.
[09:23] <Giles1> Hi how can I show the menubar in nautilus on ubuntu 15.10
[09:24] <liuxg> does anyone know how to make a Live bootable USB disk on Ubuntu 16.04? I do not want to make it a CD-ROM disk. I want it to be the way in the pre 16.04 release. thanks
[09:26] <liuxg> the latest way on 16.04 of making a live USB is very different from the pre-releases. how can I switch it back to the previous one?
[09:27] <jim> liuxg, you can dd the live (or netinst) image to the usb
[09:28] <liuxg> jim thanks for your reply. I do not know why it is changed to be like this.
[09:28] <Giles1> Hi how can I get to preferences in nautilus on ubuntu 15.10
[09:28] <liuxg> jim, I cannot use the rest of the space on the USB any more.. it is just simply a CD-ROM. I do not like it at all.
[09:28] <Archeus_> hi
[09:29] <Archeus_> any idea how can i speed up internet
[09:29] <jim> get out and push?
[09:30] <tatertots> Archeus...easy just contact your ISP and obtain a faster speed internet tier
[09:30] <Archeus_> lol
[09:30] <Archeus_> i mean
[09:30] <Archeus_> other laptops speed is very fast
[09:30] <Archeus_> on this laptop
[09:30] <Archeus_> it laggs up
[09:31] <jim> get a faster connection, improve your internal net (nic cards, hubs/switches, routers, modems)
[09:31] <peppeb> !list
[09:31] <tatertots> lol hey you asked ...i answered :P
[09:31] <peppeb> !dvd
[09:31] <tatertots> just kidding... a little pre trouble shooting humor
[09:31] <jim> peppeb, this is not a warez channel
[09:32] <peppeb> ciao
[09:32] <yottanami> EriC^^, So where is interfaces.head ?!
[09:33] <tatertots> Archeus are these laptops you are comparing performance of equal in terms of computational power?
[09:33] <random_> I'm unable to update via apt-get through terminal.
[09:33] <ducasse> yottanami: try 'find /etc -name interfaces\*' maybe?
[09:33] <tatertots> nvm
[09:33] <random_> I'm behind a proxy.
[09:34] <ex32> Hello
[09:34] <jim> random_, why not?
[09:34] <jim> hi
[09:34] <random_> I've gone through some places, like http://askubuntu.com/questions/158557/setting-proxy-from-terminal
[09:34] <random_> still no luck. Hi jim
[09:34] <ex32> i had install ubuntu on VM
[09:34] <yottanami> ducasse, There is just `/etc/network/interfaces`
[09:35] <tatertots> Hello ex32
[09:35] <ducasse> yottanami: then it must be outside /etc, try /var for instance or ask whoever set up the server.
[09:35] <ex32> im getting error when i install the updates
[09:35] <tatertots> what version of ubuntu is this VM you speak of running ex32?
[09:35] <random_> jim -- any hope ?
[09:36] <ex32> the latest  one
[09:36] <ducasse> random_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[09:36] <ex32> im using VM workstation pro 12 and  Ubuntu v16.04
[09:37] <tatertots> what error are you getting when you attempt to install updates ex32???
[09:37] <ex32> unmount partitions that are in use
[09:38] <tatertots> @ex32 walk me through the steps you took to attempt to install these updates you speak of
[09:39] <ex32> i got notifaction an update  on the desktop
[09:40] <ex32> i click on install release
[09:40] <ex32> and follow the steps
[09:41] <tatertots> tell me the version of ubuntu...don't tell me "latest one" you tell me explicitly
[09:41] <ex32> 16.04
[09:41] <tatertots> @:-)
[09:42] <ex32> 16.04 LTS
[09:42] <tatertots> ok
[09:43] <tatertots> can you pastbin the errors here so we can see these errors you speak of verbose
[09:44] <ex32> im newbie in linux
[09:44] <MonkeyDust> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:44] <ex32> install release <- is that for installing new version of  ubuntu ?
[09:45] <ex32> i found where to update  the OS
[09:46] <tatertots> @ex32 hmmm no pastbin so we can see your errors.........i'd be willing to look at a screen shot if you were to take one and post it
[09:46] <ex32> ok
[09:46] <ex32> 1 moment
[09:52] <ex32> i sent it for ya at private
[09:53] <ex32> im afraid to get ban from the channel
[09:54] <tatertots> ok
[09:54] <MonkeyDust> ex32  paste it in this webpage ... click 'Paste' ... then copy/paste the url here in the channel ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[09:54] <tatertots> @ex32
[09:54] <tatertots> @ex32 are you booted to a livecd/liveusb?
[09:55] <tatertots> are you %100 sure
[09:58] <ex32> https://postimg.org/image/te0xcct2p/
[09:59] <ph88> hey guys, i installed ubuntu on my desktop .. the GUI crashes a lot, then i still see the background but everything else dissappears .. what can i do about it ?
[09:59] <ex32> yeah im sure tatertots
[10:00] <ex32> i booted from usb
[10:01] <tatertots> @ph88 does your GUI crash a lot when booted to livecd/liveusb?
[10:03] <ph88> didnt try, i will try that
[10:04] <numnum> hi all how do i show me partitions on this device and change them? i want to allocate more space for my linux partition thinx :D
[10:05] <numnum> hi all how do i show me partitions on this device and change them? i want to allocate more space for my linux partition thinx :D
[10:06] <numnum> any body online?
[10:07] <ph88> i installed ubuntu on my laptop, it was showing the booting circle for like forever .. then i went into advanced options and booted from the previous kernel version which worked fine. How can i fix this situation?
[10:09] <numnum> any one?
[10:10] <bazhang> !gparted | numnum
[10:10] <numnum> will try TY
[10:10] <MonkeyDust> numnum  backup, then boot from live dvd/usb, then use gparted
[10:11] <numnum> MonkeyDust: must i use live cd?
[10:12] <numnum> i dont have one right now... and wish to just allocate more room for this patition
[10:12] <ducasse> numnum: you can't resize a mounted partition.
[10:12] <tatertots> attempting to alter a mounted partition will always = FAIL
[10:12] <MonkeyDust> numnum  you can't repair a cat engine, while driving
[10:13] <MonkeyDust> car*
[10:13] <numnum> any workaround? can i creat a new partitoin to work with this OS? i just need more ROOM to wotk with not necceserly for the OS to run from.. like windows can be installed on a diffrent drive from the proggrms
[10:14] <MonkeyDust> numnum  how much free space do you have left
[10:15] <numnum> not enough to install diablo 2 + LOD
[10:15] <numnum> :P
[10:17] <tatertots> not enough room for diablo 2?.......numnum i think you better make some room on that hard drive sun
[10:18] <ducasse> numnum: the easiest way is to just do it from a liveusb
[10:20] <ph88> how can i install hibernate on laptop 16.04 ?
[10:20] <numnum> okok... i have to partitions. one 200mb for the OS (might need to change that? or just delete old files kernal and such) the outer is 100gb +
[10:21] <numnum> exit
[10:22] <tatertots> ph88 are you having issue with your laptop going into and out of hibernation???
[10:23] <tatertots> if so @ ph88 please elaborate on your issue/problem
[10:25] <tatertots> welcome back numnum
[10:26] <vikas_> hello everyone!
[10:26] <tatertots> Hello vikas
[10:26] <vikas_> I am new to linux so how can i build my career in linux
[10:26] <tatertots> lpi.org
[10:26] <numnum> how do i know what progrrams/stuff do i have on my system? for example i installed xgalaga how can i get a list of all proggrams installed on my computer? (pref to terminal list)
[10:27] <tatertots> @vikas http://www.lpi.org
[10:27] <ph88> tatertots, when closing lid it seems to power off, when i type sudo hibernate i get this message  hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found.
[10:27] <ph88> by the way i think my swap is encrypted but i'm not sure
[10:27] <tatertots> there is also a ubuntu certified professional certification .........see how i shamelessly brought that back to ubuntu
[10:28] <vikas_> @tatertots thankx
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> tatertots  you can drop the @ ... type tat and then hit tab to autocomplete
[10:28] <tatertots> trying to stay on topic best i can  *wink*
[10:28] <ducasse> ph88: you can't hibernate with encrypted swap.
[10:28] <vikas_> yes its working
[10:28] <ph88> how do i set my swap to be not encrypted ?
[10:29] <ph88> at partitioning during install i just designated it as "swap" nowhere did i choose to encrypt it
[10:29] <tatertots> sweet thanks monkeydust
[10:31] <jim> ph88, did you set up other encryption?
[10:31] <ph88> yes for my home folder
[10:31] <ducasse> ph88: then you have encrypted swap.
[10:32] <jim> what device is your home on? and, is it actually /home?
[10:33] <aruns> jatt: Hi, I am back. Thanks, sound is working again.
[10:33] <ph88> i think on my other laptop i have an encrypted home but not encrypted swap
[10:33] <aruns> jatt: It didn't work the first time, don't know why it is working now, but oh well :P
[10:33] <jatt> aruns: great, what was the issue?
[10:33] <jatt> aruns: great, you got wit working with pulseaudio?
[10:33] <aruns> jatt: I think reinstalling pulseaudio and alsa fixed it, but I've had to reinstall them quite a lot recently.
[10:33] <aruns> jatt: It's 11 year old hardware, maybe it's just natural wear and tear?
[10:34] <jatt> aruns: yeah could be the hardware is too old and it's not supported properly with the latest versions
[10:34] <aruns> jatt: I think my headphones have also broken :(
[10:35] <jim> aruns, hmm... I think I get how reinstalling the packages can get your sound working, but there's a fair chance that can be done some other way
[10:35] <ducasse> ph88: i think the installer encrypts swap if you use other encryption to avoid leaks to disk.
[10:35] <ph88> alright
[10:35] <aruns> jim: I think it's just that the hardware is getting old.
[10:35] <aruns> Oh, by the way.
[10:35] <aruns> Another silly question.
[10:35] <aruns> I want to learn how to start a cron job.
[10:36] <aruns> And I know how to use crontab -e and all that.
[10:36] <ikonia> man cron
[10:36] <aruns> But when it comes to the dates / times
[10:36] <aruns> I am not sure how the time format works.
[10:36] <ikonia> the wiki page shows example formats of date/time formats with clear description
[10:36] <aruns> Isn't cron deprecated anyway, though?
[10:36] <ikonia> no
[10:36] <aruns> I think launchd is its successor or something?
[10:37] <jim> aruns, so, that's the part you would have to study, so you can become familiar with it
[10:37] <ikonia> nope
[10:37] <jim> aruns, where did that info (of cron being deprecated) come from?
[10:37] <ikonia> thin air
[10:38] <jatt> cron is not deprecated, is pretty standard
[10:38] <jim> do you have a link?
[10:38] <tatertots> lol
[10:38] <ducasse> aruns: launchd is an osx thing, afaik.
[10:38] <aruns> Oh, that's probably why.
[10:38] <aruns> I use Ubuntu and Arch at home.
[10:39] <ikonia> ? so
[10:39] <aruns> Mountain Lion at work.
[10:39] <ikonia> even then, cron is still on the mac
[10:39] <aruns> So I think cron is deprecated on OS X.
[10:39] <aruns> I know, but I think more people are shifting towards launchd.
[10:39] <aruns> On OS X.
[10:39] <ikonia> aruns: you think wrong
[10:39] <jim> that would probably be because apple doesn't think people can learn it easily
[10:40] <MonkeyDust> aruns  just read: launchd for linux was rejected, because it's 'copyright Apple' or so
[10:40] <ikonia> you appear to just be saying random things, cron is still used on mac os x and launchd is quite different than cron
[10:40] <ikonia> launchd is pretty much a stripped systemd
[10:40] <ikonia> nothing really to do with cron
[10:41] <aruns> ikonia: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/12819/why-is-cron-being-deprecated
[10:41] <ikonia> aruns: so ?
[10:41] <ikonia> I can write a stackexchange post that says "why-cron-is-stronger-then-ever"
[10:43] <jim> I see, so I guess I'm the only one who's not actively trying to make him feel bad about the way he's thinking... congratulations...
[10:44] <ikonia> no-one is trying to make him feel bad about the way he's thinking
[10:44] <ikonia> he is however on the wrong track in terms of info
[10:44] <jim> on top of which, he's produced a link with support for his position/question
[10:44] <ikonia> which isn't valid
[10:45] <jim> at least it explains why he's wondering
[10:45] <ikonia> as I said, I can write a stackexchange post that says ubuntu-replaces-sysstemd-with-pixe-dustr
[10:45] <ikonia> doesn't make it real
[10:45] <ikonia> Darwin pear.local 15.5.0 Darwin Kernel
[10:45] <tatertots> I'm going to read this link...you guys have peaked my curiousity
[10:45] <ikonia>    0   202     1   0 Fri10am ??         0:00.30 /usr/sbin/cron
[10:45] <ikonia> current macosx release - cron, still very much in use
[10:46] <aruns> Sorry,  maybe deprecated is the wrong word.
[10:46] <aruns> But I think that if we polled most OS X sysadmins.
[10:47] <ikonia> they would say "cron is going nowhere"
[10:47] <jim> [20160625 03:39:50] <ikonia> aruns: you think wrong <-- evidence in support of my comment, but ok, I'll drop it now, carry on...
[10:47] <ikonia> jim: he does think wrong....correcting that is not a crime, rather than let me him believe false info
[10:47] <bazhang> perhaps we could get to ubuntu support aruns
[10:47] <ikonia> very true
[10:47] <aruns> bazhang: lol
[10:48] <bazhang> aruns, not joking
[10:48] <aruns> The only way to settle this is with a poll, then, surely?
[10:48] <bazhang> aruns, not here no
[10:48] <ikonia> aruns: nah, bazhang is right, we are moving way offtopic, lets focus back on the ubuntu issue here
[10:48] <aruns> OK.
[10:49] <jim> aruns, no, the best thing is just to drop it
[10:49] <tatertots> ok i read the link .....yawn
[10:49] <aruns> I guess we will agree to disagree?
[10:49] <aruns> OK.
[10:49] <aruns> That's fine then.
[10:49] <bazhang> aruns, lets take the chit caht to some other location please
[10:49] <aruns> bazhang: Yes, I have agreed to drop it.
[10:51] <jim> cron is alive and well, and we're back to looking at how the time spec in cron works
[10:51] <ikonia> the wiki documents it well with clear examples
[10:51] <ikonia> really good line diagram pointing at each value
[10:51] <tatertots> :)
[10:52] <jim> there was a cron evaluator I saw yesterday
[10:52] <ikonia> evaluator, as in worked out the values for you ?
[10:53] <akik> aruns left?
[10:53] <jatt> :apple:
[10:56] <dahlia_> hello
[10:57] <tatertots> hello dahlia
[11:00] <kernelhelp> i'm trying to remove old kernel with autoremove but the ouput is: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:00] <kernelhelp> is this command safe?
[11:00] <kernelhelp> dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[11:00] <kernelhelp> it doesn't look safe lol
[11:00] <kernelhelp> https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/ubuntu-cleanup-how-to-remove-all-unused-linux-kernel-headers-images-and-modules
[11:01] <dahlia_> i am on ubuntu 12.04
[11:01] <jim> kernelhelp, what kernel are you running now? (uname -r)
[11:01] <jatt> that doesn't look safe at all ☠
[11:01] <kernelhelp> jim: 3.19.0-47-generic
[11:02] <jim> kernelhelp, ok, and what kernel do you want to get rid of? (is it just one, or?)
[11:02] <jim> kernelhelp, I would not consider that command safe
[11:03] <ikonia> easy option, open the package manager, search for the linux-image package, remove unused versions
[11:03] <ikonia> clean, simple, easy, safe
[11:03] <tatertots> dahlia thanks for confirming you are using ubuntu 12.04
[11:03] <dahlia> hmmm?
[11:04] <jim> kernelhelp, do you want to get rid of -all- kernels -except- the one you're running now?
[11:04] <dahlia> oh another dahlia_
[11:04] <dahlia> hi dahlia_ :)
[11:04] <serb_> helo
[11:04] <dahlia_> hi
[11:04] <tatertots> I thought you were about to tell us about a issue or problem you were having with ubuntu dahlia....sorry
[11:04] <serb_> i need some help with Newbie Stuff
[11:04] <serb_> i am considering hosting some stuff locally to simulate a server usin ubuntu server
[11:04] <kernelhelp> jim: all but current one
[11:04] <serb_> idk anything about servers
[11:04] <tatertots> wait there's two of you?
[11:04] <kernelhelp> ikonia: yep there they are in synaptic, too easy!
[11:05] <tatertots> oh nvm
[11:05] <serb_> i wana use ubuntu server for this but theres like 4 versions and i dont know what any of them mean
[11:05] <dahlia> while we're at it, I'm on kubuntu 15.04 :)
[11:05] <jim> serb_, the best thing to do first, is ask a specific question,,, include as much detailed information as you know
[11:05] <tatertots> hello serv
[11:05] <serb_> ok
[11:05] <jatt> install ubuntu-server for server
[11:06] <serb_> im planning on makin a highly interactive and snappy website with roughly 700+ 5 to 30 second videos tht loop seamlessly
[11:06] <jim> kernelhelp, ok, take a look at your own ls /boot (it'll show the kernels that are there)
[11:06] <ikonia> kernelhelp: clearly not too easy as thats how you are meant to do it
[11:06] <ikonia> kernelhelp: just open the package manager, find the kernels click remove, use your system safely
[11:06] <serb_> i ve been told tht i gotta start this locally to test it by usin ubuntu server
[11:07] <ikonia> serb_: ubuntu desktop is a great server platform
[11:07] <ikonia> it also has lots of tools to make life easier for you
[11:07] <serb_> https://gyazo.com/c290cc81a5a8fc96f266cab5d0ca85b6 theres these 4 things and i have no idea if i shld just install the default ubuntu server thing or one of these
[11:07] <ikonia> serb_: what do you want to do with the server ?
[11:08] <serb_> uh i wanna put my clips there and try and emulate how it would work to endusers
[11:08] <kernelhelp> ikonia: gui over command line how you should do it?
[11:08] <ikonia> kernelhelp: pardon ?
[11:08] <serb_> ikonia: y not ubuntu server ?
[11:08] <kernelhelp> ikonia: <ikonia> kernelhelp: clearly not too easy as thats how you are meant to do it
[11:09] <ikonia> serb_: the desktop release is a great server platform, but it has tools to make life easier for you
[11:09] <ikonia> kernelhelp: I'm not sure what you're asking
[11:09] <ikonia> kernelhelp: you want to remove obsolete packages, just open the package manager and remove them
[11:09] <jatt> you don't need openstack unless you want your website be hosted by a full cloud solution
[11:09] <serb_> ikonia: so u suggest i install ubuntu desktop instead of ubuntu server on my "server" pc
[11:09] <serb_> jatt: thanx
[11:09] <ikonia> serb_: yes, that seems a simple entry point for you
[11:09] <serb_> ikonia: Thanx
[11:10] <kernelhelp> ikonia: yeah so that's the easy way to do it like i said above (re: too easy)
[11:10] <jatt> probably you just need apache webserver and other packages that depend on how your website is going to be developed/created (e.g. java, etc.)
[11:10] <ikonia> kernelhelp: why would you not do it "easy" ?
[11:10] <jim> kernelhelp, I'd personally use the command line... I tend to look at what's there and what's current first, then remove
[11:10] <ikonia> kernelhelp: thats wy people make the tools to make using the system easy
[11:10] <ikonia> you can also use the command line interface to the package manager with the "autoclean" function
[11:11] <kernelhelp> ikonia: i WANT an easy way lol ...autoclean, not autoremove?
[11:11] <ikonia> kernelhelp: ahh the easy way is the package manager
[11:11] <kernelhelp> jim: by looking at my aforementioned command do you have any clue what it does?
[11:11] <kernelhelp> ikonia: :-)
[11:12] <ikonia> kernelhelp: autoremove is the right flag, clean is for the package daa
[11:12] <ikonia> data
[11:12] <ikonia> kernelhelp: the command you pasted is a messy way to list the kernel packages, work out what's not current, strip it down to a file name and pass it into apt-get purge
[11:12] <ikonia> it's over the top mess for something that is simple
[11:13] <jim> kernelhelp, it tries to form package names, which it "forwards" to a package removal command (which, btw, has been given a lot of power, like an uncovered knife)
[11:13] <jim> kernelhelp, one sec...
[11:14] <dahlia_> when i run sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5.96
[11:14] <dahlia_> when i run sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5.6
[11:14] <dahlia_> i get this error
[11:14] <dahlia_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:14] <dahlia_>  libapache2-mod-php5.6 : Depends: apache2-api-20120211 but it is not installable
[11:14] <dahlia_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[11:15] <ikonia> dahlia_: have you added ppa's
[11:15] <ikonia> it appears you have depedencies that cannot be met
[11:15] <dahlia_> ikonia, what should i do ?
[11:15] <ikonia> this is noramlly caused by an external repo that is poor at managing dependencies with the current system
[11:15] <ikonia> dahlia_: have you added PPA's ?
[11:15] <jim> kernelhelp, if you look at ls /boot/vmlinuz*, you can see how many kernels (and which ones) you have to get rid of (but it will also list the current one, which you don't want to get rid of)
[11:16] <jatt> dahlia_: use apt-get -f
[11:16] <dahlia_> ikonia, yes i added PPAs for php
[11:16] <ikonia> dahlia_: why ?
[11:16] <ikonia> dahlia_: why are you not using the php packages that ubuntu provides
[11:16] <dahlia_> i am on ubuntu 12.04
[11:16] <ikonia> dahlia_: yes, I understand that,
[11:17] <ikonia> that wasn't my question
[11:17] <dahlia_> i need to install laravel
[11:17] <ikonia> ...again, not my question
[11:17] <dahlia_> and laravel needs php5.6
[11:17] <ikonia> ok,
[11:17] <dahlia_> and i added PPAs for php5.6
[11:17] <ikonia> so the common sense thing would be to upgrade your release/reinstall with ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 which has the later versions and are still in support
[11:18] <ikonia> rather than trying to use unsupported repos that as you can see don't really work on a release thats going out of support
[11:19] <dahlia_> ikonia, if i dont upgrade what should i do while i am on ubuntu 12.04
[11:19] <ikonia> my advice is that you upgrade
[11:20] <ikonia> it is the better longer term option than using a dying release with unsupported broken PPA's
[11:20] <ducasse> dahlia_: basically, if you insist on doing this on 12.04 whatever you do will be unsupported.
[11:20] <dahlia_> ducasse, i dont have a good internet for upgrade
[11:21] <ikonia> dahlia_: do you have much data on this machine ?
[11:21] <tatertots> dahlia you could just enjoy being on 12.04 until you can upgrade
[11:21] <dahlia_> i need to install mbstring for php
[11:21] <dahlia_> ikonia, no i dont have much data
[11:21] <dahlia_> but it is an old machin
[11:22] <ikonia> dahlia_: ok - so I would suggest a.) backup your data b.) get an ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 DVD c.) re-install d.) restore any data you want to keep
[11:22] <dahlia_> just 1 GB ram and old graphic card and not compatible with new versions of ubuntu
[11:23] <ikonia> dahlia_: 12.04 had pretty much the same requirements
[11:23] <jim> dahlia_, you could bring your current dist to be as uptodate as possible, and further split that process into download, and package install
[11:23] <ikonia> dahlia_: you could always use lubuntu/xubuntu for a lighter resource profile
[11:24] <ikonia> jim: as he's already broke it with the PPA and seems to be at quite a basic level, I'd not suggest upgrading as the dependency matching will fail and he'd be left with a broken install
[11:24] <dahlia_> ikonia, can i install laravel on lubuntu ?
[11:24] <ikonia> dahlia_: yes
[11:24] <ikonia> dahlia_: lubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu are the same product with different desktop environments
[11:25] <jim> hmm, how can you tell it's broken?
[11:25] <dahlia_> how much is xubuntu ?
[11:25] <bekks> dahlia_: how much what?
[11:25] <dahlia_> bekks, volume
[11:25] <jatt> it's $2.50
[11:26] <bekks> dahlia_: How much space do you have?
[11:26] <ikonia> jim: because he's already getting package conflicts after installing a broken PPA
[11:26] <ikonia> part of the packages from the PPA are already installed and so when the upgrade does the dependency / upgrade check it will fail
[11:26] <dahlia_> i have 12 GB
[11:26] <jim> can he remove the packages that came from the ppa, then remove the ppa from his sources.list?
[11:26] <ikonia> dahlia_: approx 2GB for an install of any ubuntu system
[11:27] <ikonia> jim: right, and he's already struggling with basic package managment
[11:28] <jim> but is it possible to do that, and will it fix the current breakage?
[11:28] <ikonia> should fix it yes, but it won't allow him to move forward to his real goal
[11:28] <dahlia_> how can i download xubuntu i dont have torrent
[11:29] <ikonia> dahlia_: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/mirrors/
[11:29] <ikonia> find the mirror closest to you
[11:29] <jim> what do you have now?
[11:29] <wuseman> links http://www.ubuntu.com > go to downloads, press the download button, otherwise wget is pretty neat ikonia
[11:30] <wuseman> Or i can scp it to you aswell, ya the options are unlimited kinda but ikonia gave you the the best tip if you got gui
[11:30] <jatt> sudormrf: apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:30]  * RtMFaerie shivers at GUIs
[11:32] <dahlia_> how can i know my system needs 64 bit or 32 bit?
[11:32] <ikonia> dahlia_: what are you currently running
[11:32] <wiehan> I don't know what is up with my system, recently installed a fresh 16.04. Updated and now I can't open firefox (or if it opens it is really unresponsive), I tried installing chromium, and it also runs pretty unstable, slow and for example when I try to sign in to google services that log-in box kinda hangs. Ubuntu browser doesn't even open. What could be the thing in common with all the browsers that they all run pretty unstable all of a sudden?
[11:32] <dahlia_> i have 32 bit now
[11:32] <ikonia> dahlia_: use 32bit then
[11:32] <ikonia> just keep it simple for you
[11:32] <dahlia_> but i installed that with no reason
[11:32] <ikonia> dahlia_: how much ram do you have ?
[11:33] <dahlia_> ikonia, 1 GB ram
[11:33] <ikonia> dahlia_: just use 32bit
[11:33] <wuseman> Good choice!
[11:33] <ikonia> keep it simple
[11:33] <tatertots> 32bit is fine
[11:33] <jatt> wiehan: is xterm sluggish too? or only the browsers
[11:33] <dahlia_> ikonia, how can i know my cpu is 32 bit or 64 bit?
[11:33] <ikonia> it doesn't matter, you've just got 1gb of ram
[11:33] <ikonia> use 32bit - keep it simple
[11:34] <wiehan> jatt, opened xterm now, seems fine
[11:34] <wuseman> 32bit upto 3GB dahlia_ if you got 4gb or more use 64
[11:34] <jim> dahlia_, take a look at less /proc/cpuinfo
[11:35] <jim> 1gb ram is somewhat small for this stuff
[11:35] <wuseman> Nah, fluxbox running on lower then that.
[11:36] <dahlia_> jim, which field show 32 or 64 ?
[11:36] <wuseman> SO it all depends on his needs and what he wanna do.
[11:36] <tatertots> gotta work with what hardware you have......we can't all own super computer........sadly :(
[11:36] <dahlia_> address sizes   : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
[11:36] <jim> dahlia_, I forget... but you can do: cat /proc/cpuinfo | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:36] <jatt> wuseman: can you try
[11:36] <jatt> strace google-chrome
[11:36] <jatt> from a terminal and see what happens in the terminal when the browser gets sluggish, maybe there is a clue
[11:37] <ikonia> dahlia_: use 32bit
[11:37] <jim> it should give you a url back, show that to us
[11:37] <wuseman> dahlia_: do cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 64 and see
[11:37] <wuseman> jatt: what
[11:37] <wuseman> i dont like google-chrome?
[11:37] <wuseman> SOrry
[11:37] <tatertots> dahlia just google the make/model of your CPU based on the info u see
[11:38] <jatt> wuseman: I meant wiehan
[11:38] <jatt> my sincere apologies
[11:38] <tatertots> you will see more info than you care to know about your CPU
[11:38] <wuseman> ah :)
[11:38] <dahlia_> ikonia, i am downloading 32 bit
[11:38] <wiehan> jatt, will install google chorme now.
[11:38] <tatertots> including it being 32bit
[11:38] <tatertots> or 64bit
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:38] <wiehan> jatt did you want me to run something in terminal
[11:38] <tatertots> Hiya BlueKaj
[11:38] <jim> heya
[11:39] <BluesKaj> hey tatertots, jim
[11:39] <jatt> wiehan: yes to start your browser from the terminal like:
[11:39] <jatt> strace google-chrome
[11:39] <jatt> to see if you get more information on the terminal when the browser gets irresponsive
[11:39] <tatertots> dahlia you could also post the make/model of your CPU in the room..then we can all know what you have and finally put the questions about your cpu to bed
[11:40] <tatertots> and i'm actually kinda curious which cpu you have on top of that lol
[11:40] <tatertots> :P
[11:41] <dahlia_> my cpu info is
[11:41] <dahlia_> http://dpaste.com/20DAVJV
[11:42] <dahlia_> tatertots, what is that ?
[11:45] <dahlia_> what ?
[11:45] <wiehan> matt_ sorry, accidently closed xchat, Official chrome seems stable, however firefox and chromium and ubuntu browser really sucky.
[11:46] <wuseman> Why do they suck?
[11:46] <bekks> wiehan: Whats the actual issue, besides not using polite english?
[11:46] <wiehan> wuseman, all three mentioned are laggy, buggy, and freezy after update and after nvidia drivgers.. don't know if it is related
[11:47] <ikonia> wiehan: so the problem is nvidia then not "suck" browsers
[11:47] <ikonia> wiehan: what video card do you actually have
[11:47] <jatt> good opportunity to move from firefox to chrome 😸
[11:49] <wiehan> ikonia, sure, but all three now really unstable
[11:49] <jim> dahlia_, I can't tell from that... it could be 64 bit... but 32 should work
[11:49] <tatertots> wiehan are your browsers laggy, buggy and freezy when booted to livecd/liveusb?
[11:49] <wiehan> ikonia, How do I quicky check exact model again?
[11:49] <ikonia> wiehan: lspci will show you the card
[11:50] <ducasse> dahlia_: it's 32 bit with pae.
[11:50] <wiehan> ikonia, NVIDIA Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 570 Rev. 2] (rev a1)
[11:51] <wiehan> tatertots, I don't know, don't have a chance to test with liveboot,
[11:51] <wuseman> :p
[11:51] <wiehan> tatertots, Firefox were fine until update and nvidia drivers
[11:54] <bekks> wiehan: Which driver are you using, actually?
[12:00] <wiehan> bekks, proprietary, tested 361.42
[12:22] <dave_804> Hey, I'm running Ubuntu on a laptop.  When I suspend and put it in my bag it turns on.   I've been doing that but hardly the point of installing linux if I can't get it to do what I want.
[12:26] <bekks> dave_804: I dont think that applies to "shutdown your laptop instead of suspending before putting it into a bag". :)
[12:27] <dave_804> never brag about not thinking..
[12:27] <dave_804> Just saying.
[12:30] <thundercat> hey hows it going
[12:31] <mdl> vos gueule
[12:34] <theos> hi
[12:34] <chinesesausage> hi
[12:35] <chinesesausage> what advantages has Ubuntu (or rather Xubuntu), than Manjaro, which is Arch based?
[12:35] <chinesesausage> *over Manjaro
[12:35] <theos> sometimes some application grows so big that it consumes all of the ram and the system hangs for a long while. what can i do to stop this from happening?
[12:35] <theos> or how do i kill that application
[12:36] <Dechcaudron> kill?
[12:36] <chinesesausage> kill= Alt+F2
[12:36] <theos> alt+f2 doesnt work at that time
[12:36] <Dechcaudron> or ctrl+C in console
[12:36] <theos> i cant type
[12:37] <theos> i can type but the system doesnt respond
[12:37] <chinesesausage> what OS are you using?
[12:38] <theos> Lubuntu 16.04
[12:39] <ducasse> theos: if the system is swapping the short answer is to get more memory.
[12:40] <theos> ducasse that will not solve the issue. some applications just keep growing infinitely
[12:40] <theos> probably because of a bug
[12:42] <baldas> how to create backup my ubuntu and create iso backup ubuntu...???
[12:43] <bekks> !backup | baldas
[12:43] <ryank> q
[12:44] <baldas> ubotu: tanks....
[12:44] <theos> ducasse i have 4GB ram. the buggy application used so much ram that everything got moved to swap and only 800MB remains in swap after the application was killed.(probably by the kernel?)
[12:46] <ducasse> theos: you could try limiting the process with ulimit, or use cgroups
[12:48] <theos> ducasse is there a way to reserve some ram for system processes so the system can work fine(and i can kill the process with a terminal, say)
[12:49] <ducasse> theos: you can try running a shell with nice to set it to the highest priority. don't know about memory.
[12:50] <ducasse> theos: maybe cgroups can, i'm not familiar with them.
[12:50] <blackhat> hi my name is blackhat benyam
[12:51] <theos> catchy name
[12:52] <blackhat> hi iam bini how is every thing
[12:53] <baldas> is there a simple way to create a mirror between two servers ubuntu...???
[12:54] <ducasse> baldas: mirror of what?
[12:54] <OerHeks> baldas, rsync can easily copy files.
[12:54] <blackhat> yes baldas but i dont know now
[12:55] <blackhat> and any of can hack a website using sql map please type it over
[12:56] <OerHeks> blackhat, wrong channel dude, this is ubuntu support only
[12:57] <blackhat> oerHeks iam using backbox the new edition
[12:57] <ducasse> blackhat: that's not ubuntu.
[12:57] <OerHeks> !backbox
[12:57] <blackhat> back box is black ubuntu dudes
[12:58] <baldas> in one of my ubuntu server node , there are applications and databases , I would like to make its replication in different places .... ???
[12:58] <OerHeks> baldas, again: rsync can easily copy files between machines
[12:59] <blackhat> men is on me iam a boy 12 years old and programming softwares and pages and hacking cool it down on me
[12:59] <baldas> OerHeks: tanks man...
[13:00] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[13:00] <OerHeks> there is a gui too, grsync
[13:00] <SchrodingersScat> baldas: you may want to check if there's specific ways to backup your databases too
[13:00] <OerHeks> !info grsync
[13:00] <blackhat> im just 12 in africa
[13:02] <blackhat> and my dpkg aint working
[13:03] <SchrodingersScat> blackhat: you may have missed the part where you're using an OS that isn't supported here.
[13:03] <Jordan_U> blackhat: Again, we can't help you as you are not using Ubuntu.  How can I make doomsday work in this scenario?
[13:20] <anonymice> Hi
[13:20] <EriC^^> hi anonymice
[13:20] <anonymice> I cant open software centre if i click on the icon
[13:21] <anonymice> I can access software-center only through terminal through sudo
[13:21] <calLuans> it's bettere install lubuntu 14.04 or 16.04?
[13:21] <EriC^^> anonymice: try to launch it from the terminal with "ubuntu-software"
[13:21] <EriC^^> calLuans: 16.04
[13:21] <EriC^^> anonymice: which command are you trying?
[13:21] <anonymice> I can run it through "sudo software-center"
[13:22] <EriC^^> anonymice: hmm i dont have that command
[13:22] <anonymice> But without sudo , I cant
[13:22] <calLuans> there aren't issues on it? i wanted wait until 16.04.1
[13:22] <EriC^^> anonymice: which ubuntu?
[13:22] <anonymice> 14.04
[13:22] <anonymice> EriC^^: Any way I could own root privilages only for this?
[13:23] <EriC^^> anonymice: you shouldn't need to
[13:23] <EriC^^> anonymice: what happens when you run software-center without sudo?
[13:24] <anonymice> permission denied, EriC^^
[13:24] <calLuans> bye
[13:24] <rahtgaz> Is it ok if I download the python-gtk2.8 from Trusty and install it on Xenial? This package is no longer available on synaptic in 16.04.
[13:24] <EriC^^> anonymice: try rm -r ~/.cache/software-center
[13:25] <anonymice> EriC^^: Still the same
[13:27] <ducasse> rahtgaz: don't mix packages from different releases, that's a bad idea.
[13:27] <acerimmer> rahtgaz, if you need an older python I think the saner option would be to virtualbox trusty
[13:28] <anonymice> EriC^^: Any chance? Else, thanks for trying.
[13:28] <rahtgaz> yes. but that's stock advise. I'm asking for this particular case. I'm looking at the package files listing and there doesn't seem to be any conflict. It would install support for both wxpython 2.8 and 3.0
[13:28] <EriC^^> i have no idea anonymice to be honest, try find ~ ! -user $USER worth a shot i guess
[13:29] <acerimmer> rahtgaz, test it out and see.  be prepared with repairs ...
[13:29] <clovik> hello, i want install ubuntu on flash drive, question is can i install it on the same drive from which is booted ubuntu installer?
[13:29] <EriC^^> rahtgaz: you could have dpkg put it in another dir in /usr/local or /opt maybe and point doomsday to it maybe?
[13:29] <ducasse> rahtgaz: wait for an updated package that works on xenial?
[13:30] <EriC^^> clovik: no
[13:30] <anonymice> EriC^^: A list came
[13:30] <EriC^^> anonymice: aha, those are files not owned by your user, do you have any special permissions you've set yourself?
[13:31] <rahtgaz> ducasse: not sure it will work, ducasse. Xenial moved to wxpython 3.0. Not sure why they would remove 2.8 support. That's a different branch and many application still use wxpython 2.x
[13:31] <EriC^^> clovik: you don't have another usb?
[13:31] <rahtgaz> I will test it out on a VM and see if I can install both versions alongside
[13:32] <clovik> EriC^^: have. ok i will install it from another usb
[13:32] <anonymice> EriC^^: No. I am sure I havent done anything like this. By the way, all the tought commands I have typed are from yourself EriC^^. Whenever I couldnt solve a disturbing problem, I came here. And you have solved everything.
[13:32] <EriC^^> clovik: ok
[13:32] <lerner> This is about macchanger: https://askubuntu.com/questions/775057/how-can-i-set-mac-address-using-the-command-line-in-ubuntu-16-04/779464#779464 , but I don't understand how to use nmcli to "nmcli connection modify --temporary <connection_name> 802-11-wireless.cloned-mac-address 00:60:1B:EB:F8:73 nmcli connection up <connection_name>" are those 2 commands?
[13:32] <anonymice> EriC^^: *tough commands
[13:33] <EriC^^> anonymice: ok, try sudo chown -R $USER: ~
[13:34] <anonymice> EriC^^: Still error. Permission "denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.0.0b2.post2-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt' "
[13:35] <EriC^^> anonymice: try ls -l $(which python)
[13:36] <anonymice> EriC^^: This is the output "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May  9  2015 /usr/bin/python -> python2.7"
[13:36] <jim> anonymice, the permission denied, was as a result of which command?
[13:36] <rahtgaz> ducasse, acerimmer, EriC^^: didn't need to test. It won't work. The package itself is fine. Then checked its depends and that would ruin the installation. Only recourse is to request doomsday developers to update their bloody libraries :)
[13:36] <anonymice> software-center, jim
[13:36] <EriC^^> anonymice: try ls -l /usr/bin/python2.7
[13:37] <anonymice> EriC^^: "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3345416 Jun 23  2015 /usr/bin/python2.7"
[13:37] <acerimmer> rahtgaz, sorry to hear amigo.  but at this point, *all* dev's should be upgrading their python version IMHO
[13:37] <rahtgaz> indeed
[13:37] <jim> so did you run the chown $USER: ...?
[13:38] <EriC^^> anonymice: hmm, i guess software-center is trying to use the python2.7 in /usr/local somehow and the dirs there have a permissions issue
[13:38] <anonymice> EriC^^: So, you know how to solve this? Great
[13:39] <EriC^^> anonymice: try ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.0.0b2.post2-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt
[13:39] <jim> (that wasn't the exact command... recursive forms of chown and a few others are very powerful, could fix a bunch, or break a bunch of stuff... so I didn't post the exact cmd)
[13:39] <anonymice> EriC^^: -rw-r----- 1 root staff 7 Apr  5 17:12 /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.0.0b2.post2-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt
[13:41] <EriC^^> anonymice: try as your user ls -l /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.0.0b2.post2-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO
[13:41] <EriC^^> anonymice: just see if it lists the files or no
[13:42] <anonymice> EriC^^: What does trying as user mean? Also when I simply copy pasted it, I got a list of files
[13:42] <EriC^^> anonymice: without sudo or root i mean
[13:42] <HaydarOzturk34> Hello guys. I have a windows 7 SP1 iso file and I have ubuntu 14.04 LTS OS on my SSD Harddrive. I have an internal Harddrive which has two partitions fully empty. I have a UEFI bios. I also have a usb stick. How can I install this f* thing? Help me guys.
[13:43] <HaydarOzturk34> I want to set up the windows on my external device
[13:43] <EriC^^> HaydarOzturk34: make a fat32 and extract the windows iso there and boot it in uefi mode
[13:43] <Evan> If I add a line in /etc/security/limits.conf AFTER the "#End of file" line, it should still take effect, right, as it's just a comment?
[13:44] <HaydarOzturk34> The last part I don't know. How to boot in Uefi
[13:44] <HaydarOzturk34> do I gonna loose anything?
[13:44] <EriC^^> anonymice: did it work as your user?
[13:44] <anonymice> EriC^^:Yes. So I got a list of programs.http://paste.ubuntu.com/17855720/
[13:44] <EriC^^> anonymice: ok, try sudo chmod +x /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/protobuf-3.0.0b2.post2-py2.7.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt
[13:45] <EriC^^> anonymice: sorry, sudo chmod +r not +x
[13:46] <HaydarOzturk34> EriC^^: What should I do tho boot in UEFI
[13:46] <anonymice> EriC^^: Yeaaa. It worked.
[13:46] <EriC^^> HaydarOzturk34: select uefi in the bios and if you have a boot options menu choose uefi usb
[13:46] <HaydarOzturk34> Okay I'll try that thanks mate
[13:46] <anonymice> EriC^^: Last two times, you helped me I have donated to Ubuntu, would do it again soon. Thanks.
[13:47] <EriC^^> HaydarOzturk34: no problem
[13:48] <EriC^^> anonymice: no problem
[13:50] <SchrodingersScat> >_>
[13:59] <Haydarr> But i cant boot
[13:59] <Haydarr> Hello guys i am trying to boot from usb i am in the bios right niw its uefi bios
[14:00] <EriC^^> Haydarr: did you make a fat32 and copy the contents?
[14:00] <Haydarr> Yes i did
[14:00] <EriC^^> Haydarr: did you try to get a boot menu?
[14:00] <Haydarr> When i click that usb it gives me error and sends mr grub rescue
[14:00] <Haydarr> After i say boot from that
[14:01] <Haydarr> It gives me error
[14:01] <EriC^^> Haydarr: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:01] <Jordan_U> Haydarr: What error?
[14:03] <Haydarr> I can make the sign | this
[14:03] <Haydarr> My keyboard layout must have been changed
[14:04] <Haydarr> How can i do that sign
[14:04] <EriC^^> it's next to enter usually, shift + \
[14:04] <MonkeyDust>  Haydarr what's your keyboard layout
[14:05] <Haydarr> Its q based keyboard with turkish
[14:06] <Haydarr> It makes a sign similar but its something like : this with longer lines
[14:06] <Haydarr> Does it count
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> Haydarr  yes, that's a pipe
[14:06] <EriC^^> Haydarr: press ctrl+shift+u then type 7c
[14:06] <EriC^^> then press enter
[14:07] <EriC^^> Haydarr: if it doesn't have a space in the middle then that's it
[14:07] <fch> What is best virtualization software for other os?
[14:07] <Haydarr> I am in grub rescue and sudo commanf is nit working
[14:08] <Haydarr> When i reset my computer it backs to normal but how am i gonna install windows?
[14:08] <EriC^^> Haydarr: do you have a live usb?
[14:08] <Haydarr> Yes i have
[14:08] <EriC^^> Haydarr: ok, boot it
[14:09] <Haydarr> I am bios right now
[14:09] <Haydarr> There are 5 disks
[14:09] <Haydarr> Ubuntwindows boot manager
[14:09] <EriC^^> what does it say when you choose the windows usb you made?
[14:09] <Haydarr> And ubuntu again
[14:09] <Haydarr> And external harddrive and usb
[14:09] <EriC^^> you need UEFI usb
[14:10] <Haydarr> First three are uefi
[14:10] <Haydarr> But not the usb
[14:10] <EriC^^> Haydarr: is it a 64bit windows?
[14:11] <Haydarr> Yes
[14:11] <acerimmer> fch, "best" is subjective. personally, I prefer virtualbox.  YMMV
[14:11] <EriC^^> ok
[14:11] <EriC^^> Haydarr: so what happens when you choose the usb?
[14:12] <Haydarr> When i choose the usb and click the boot menu
[14:12] <Haydarr> It shows me those five disk options i tols you
[14:13] <EriC^^> Haydarr: ok, try to boot an ubuntu live usb or ubuntu install
[14:15] <user123456> hi! i'd like to ask - which font ubuntu use by default in console for unity DE?
[14:15] <Haydarr> If i close secure boot what happens? I think thats the reason
[14:15] <EriC^^> user123456: i think it's ubuntu monospace
[14:16] <user123456> EriC^^, thx
[14:16] <acerimmer> user123456, check "Terminal" "Set character encoding"
[14:17] <EriC^^> Haydarr: try to disable secureboot
[14:17] <pinetree> Hey guys, none of my USB devices are working, including my 2 mice, and my xbox 360 controller. How can I fix this?
[14:18] <Haydarr> I can't desible it
[14:18] <jatt> pinetree: are the devices listed by lsusb?
[14:18] <EriC^^> Haydarr: you might need to set an admin password first
[14:19] <Guest42590> ll
[14:19] <acerimmer> ubuntu 16.04 : where would the restricted extra codecs be?
[14:19] <pinetree> Yes, they are listed by lsusb
[14:19] <Haydarr> I think thats risky
[14:20] <EriC^^> Haydarr: unless you forget it not really
[14:20] <EriC^^> Haydarr: set it, then disable secureboot, then remove the password
[14:20] <user123456> guys, i install ubuntu font, then run fc-cache - ubuntu fonts appear in font selection in terminal, but they look not as in ubuntu
[14:20] <EriC^^> you may have a point here as windows 7 doesn't support secureboot i think (it does support uefi in 64bit though)
[14:21] <user123456> what i have to do?
[14:23] <ioria> (Side Note)   sudo parted -l > file   and  nc termbin.com 9999 < file    , so no need for pipe.
[14:26] <akik> for uefi usb stick boot, do you still need to create the mbr on the usb stick? (for windows boot)
[14:27] <EriC^^> akik: no
[14:30] <BluesKaj> akik, uefi boot only applies to drives on pcs with a bios/uefi boot partiton on GPT partiton tables
[14:30] <EriC^^> i think he's using a msdos partition table
[14:32] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, yeah i use a dos table on my uefi/bios equipped laptop
[14:33] <EriC^^> yup, ubuntu doesn't mind it, windows is sort of picky about that
[14:33] <EriC^^> for some reason
[14:33] <cfhowlett> fat32 is the one you want
[14:34] <wintermute_> hello everyone
[14:34] <Kouneix> Hello everyone, i have some troubles to install my wifi card, can someone helps ? I did tried from the internet and still it doesn't works
[14:34] <SchrodingersScat> hello dr wintermute_
[14:34] <wintermute_> why I can't boot from usb at UEFI mode?
[14:34] <EriC^^> wintermute_: are you haydar?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, well I was frustrated by the gpt and the uefi so I wiped the hdd and installed msdos pt then kubuntu and W7
[14:35] <wintermute_> what's haydar? lol
[14:35] <damien> Kouneix: Have you tried through the Synaptic Package Manager?
[14:35] <EriC^^> wintermute_: nevermind :D
[14:35] <wintermute_> lol :D
[14:36] <EriC^^> wintermute_: there was a person here asking the same question then he pinged out :D
[14:36] <EriC^^> wintermute_: so you're trying to install ubuntu?
[14:36] <wintermute_> oh lol, indeed
[14:36] <wintermute_> well, I'm on ubuntu now
[14:36] <Kouneix> @damien no, will it help ? i did tried with apt-get install
[14:36] <wintermute_> I had windows 7 on my ssd, then I installed ubuntu and Windows 7 wouldn't boot anymore
[14:37] <Kouneix> damien no, will it help ? i did tried with apt-get install
[14:37] <wintermute_> I didn't know Ubuntu was installed on legacy mode
[14:37] <damien> Go to the Synaptic Package Manager and then select the correct driver for your WiFi Card.
[14:37] <akik> EriC^^: did haydar create a uefi partition table on the usb stick?
[14:38] <EriC^^> akik: no idea
[14:38] <akik> gpt
[14:38] <wintermute_> I followed the explanation on ubuntu's site on how to create a usb flash stick of ubuntu @ UEFI
[14:38] <wintermute_> but didn't work
[14:38] <damien> Yes it should work,provided you install the correct driver,and synaptic package manager has your driver
[14:38] <wintermute_> right now i have windows and ubuntu on legacy mode, it's working fine
[14:38] <EriC^^> akik: i know what you mean, i meant that i've no clue if he did, i wanted him to pastebin sudo parted -l to see that
[14:38] <wintermute_> just wanted to know what happened
[14:39] <damien> what wifi card do you have?
[14:40] <fch> winter, i think you deleted the windows partition during ubuntu setup.
[14:40] <Kouneix> damien: i'm trying
[14:40] <EriC^^> wintermute_: if both are working fine right now then they were installed in legacy mode all along i'd guess
[14:40] <wintermute_> yes, they are now
[14:40] <damien> yeah just look up in the synaptic package manager for your wifi card
[14:40] <wintermute_> I prevent UEFI boot @ bios to guarantee a legacy mode boot
[14:40] <Kouneix> damien: i'm RTL8723
[14:41] <damien> what brand is it
[14:41] <Kouneix> damien: I have a  RTL8723BE
[14:41] <damien> who makes it?
[14:41] <wintermute_> I just wanted to know why I couldn't boot on UEFI from usb
[14:41] <wintermute_> fch, on the first installation, probably, but then I installed both on legacy, and now it's ok
[14:41] <Kouneix> damien: Realtek
[14:41] <cfhowlett> Kouneix, atheros has only only ever been a HUGE pita so far as wifi support is concerned.  if you can easily replace it, do so.
[14:41] <EriC^^> wintermute_: maybe you need to disable secureboot, how exactly did you make the ubuntu usb?
[14:41] <MessedUpMyPc> Hello i Urgent need help to get back to Windows 7 i did mess up my pc with doing wrong low level format to remove windows 10 , and then installed Ubuntu Mate nothing works anymore i can't boot tp bios from f2 or lounch the DVD of Windows 7 anymore so im stuck on broken Ubuntu can you help me get back to W 7 low level formatt here on Ubuntu via Terminal since nothing works from boot anymore neither bios usb or dvd
[14:42] <Kouneix> damien: It's an inside wifi card, i'm currently using an external to install the internal
[14:42] <cfhowlett> if you scrambled your bios, you are truly screwed MessedUpMyPc
[14:42] <MessedUpMyPc> i hopw you guys can help me get back
[14:42] <wintermute_> I followed the ubuntu's page.. used universal usb installer or something like that on windows, then used unetboot on ubuntu, and finally mounted the iso and control c + control v right on the usb
[14:42] <damien> try using the broadcom driver
[14:43] <MessedUpMyPc> you think that's a bios probem cfhowlett  the fact i can't boot anymore from bios with f2 neither louch usb or dvd at boot or what happend ?
[14:43] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: do you want to recover any data from windows 7?
[14:43] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, if you cannot access your bios, yeah, you might have a bios issue.
[14:43] <MessedUpMyPc> no i need to get back to Windows 7 im stuck on broken ubuntu mate
[14:43] <Kouneix> damien: which one?
[14:43] <damien> and install the bcmwl kernel source
[14:43] <damien> thats all you shoud need
[14:44] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: it might be pretty messed up (might) since you installed 2 os's in the same hdd
[14:44] <MessedUpMyPc> i can't access bios from f2 afther doing wrong low level formatt to remove windows 10 since then nothing works at boot neither usb stick , dvd or neither i can get the bios when i click f2 gives me grub of Ubuntu just
[14:44] <MessedUpMyPc> damn
[14:44] <MessedUpMyPc> so i need trow it away or what i need to do EriC^^ ?
[14:44] <Kouneix> damien: There's a plenty ...
[14:44] <damien> let me know if you have any problems but you should'nt as this is a universal driver
[14:44] <MessedUpMyPc> im really desperate right now i broke the bios semes
[14:44] <MessedUpMyPc> seems
[14:45] <wintermute_> relax, take a deep breath
[14:45] <wintermute_> are you sure that f2 is the key to bios setup on your moptherboard?
[14:45] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: well you could try to recover windows 7 you might be lucky and nothing is touched, otherwise i'd recommend to get whatever data you can from it and reinstall fresh
[14:45] <cfhowlett> Kouneix, so you do or do not have a broadcom chipset wifi?
[14:45] <MessedUpMyPc> yes wintermute_  before i did wrongly low level formatt to remove w10 everything worked fine f2 from bios usb keys and dvd at boot
[14:46] <Kouneix> cfhowlett: I have a realtek one
[14:46] <MessedUpMyPc> now nothings boots anymore if i press f2 all i get is ubuntu mate grub display if recovery mode etc
[14:46] <MessedUpMyPc> basically i can't lounch dvd , usb stick neither boot in my bios
[14:46] <wintermute_> MessedUpMyPc, others F's stills working? like boot menu or boot from network or whatever?
[14:46] <MessedUpMyPc> and ubuntu mate is also broken half says
[14:47] <MessedUpMyPc> everything works eccept usb stick at boot dvd at boot and acess bios at boot with f2
[14:47] <Kouneix> damien: I can see my wifi card but it doesn't reach any wifi point
[14:47] <wintermute_> btw the bios launch is ok? you get a splash screen or something?
[14:47] <Kouneix> cfhowlett: I can see my wifi card but it doesn't reach any wifi point
[14:47] <MessedUpMyPc> no wintermute_  only ubuntu mate splash screen with f2
[14:47] <MessedUpMyPc> nothing boots anymore eccept get ubuntu stuff if i try go bios
[14:47] <cfhowlett> Kouneix, can't help with the realtek. broadcom is silly simple to set up
[14:48] <MessedUpMyPc> i think i really messed up the pc
[14:48] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, sounds like.   still under warranty?
[14:48] <Kouneix> cfhowlett: ok, thank you btw
[14:48] <MessedUpMyPc> im basically stuck on ubuntu mate half broken os right now and can't even remove it this is the worst as nothing will boot of my usb or dvd where i got w7 and bios is gone
[14:48] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, which make pc ?
[14:48] <MessedUpMyPc> no cfhowlett sadly
[14:49] <MessedUpMyPc> i got acet aspire one laptop e1522
[14:49] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, you should be able to flash the bios.  search or contact acer support
[14:50] <hamm> Why is Ubuntu spyware?
[14:50] <MessedUpMyPc> so you saying i need reinstall the bios back or you can give me a ubuntu teminal command to low level formatt so i can install w7 back?
[14:50] <wintermute_> MessedUpMyPc, if you really can't get anything from bios, then i suppose something is really messed up indeed
[14:50] <wintermute_> I really don't know what to do, but i'm a noob
[14:50] <MessedUpMyPc> yes bios is gone and with it all dvd and usb sticks boot
[14:50] <wintermute_> It should be possible to fix it
[14:51] <MessedUpMyPc> f2 only gives ubuntu mate splashscreen of what i need to recovery do
[14:51] <cfhowlett> hamm, it isn't.  stop trolling and spreading fud.
[14:51] <MessedUpMyPc> is there a low level formatt command you guys can help me do from terminal to remove at least ubuntu and get back to mate?
[14:51] <MessedUpMyPc> to windows 7 i mean?
[14:51] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, no.  you truly and really do need your bios.  see acer support for options.
[14:51] <MessedUpMyPc> ok if i download the bios wich i got here
[14:52] <MessedUpMyPc> can you guys help me install it back?
[14:52] <MessedUpMyPc> as i got the latest bios right here
[14:52] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, this is not a hardware support channel.  see what acer tells you.
[14:52] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: when you say low level format, what exactly do you mean?
[14:52] <hamm> cfhowlett: explsin this https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[14:52] <EriC^^> (the thing you did first to remove windows 7)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc,  if your drives boot then your bios is still working , some laptops have powerup bios button beside the power button , my lenovo has one
[14:52] <MessedUpMyPc> to wipe the hard disk as i did to remove w10 from then the problem started
[14:53] <MessedUpMyPc> like 100% formatt everything back to 0
[14:53] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: how'd you do that?
[14:53] <MessedUpMyPc> low level
[14:53] <EriC^^> where? how?
[14:53] <cfhowlett> hamm, again, wrong channel. you are being rude and disruptive.
[14:53] <MessedUpMyPc> i did it with some programs for windows but did it wrong
[14:53] <EriC^^> what's the name of the program?
[14:54] <MessedUpMyPc> i forgott mabye was killdisk or something
[14:54] <MessedUpMyPc> is there acer room here ? as i need someone help me install back the bios for my pc
[14:55] <haydar> Guys How can I set efi partion to my external hard drive to boot up with Windows 7?
[14:55] <haydar> I have two partions on my external harddrive nfs and fat32 format
[14:55] <MessedUpMyPc> i mean if you guys don't help me im stuck like this
[14:55] <EriC^^> haydar: are you on ubuntu right now?
[14:55] <haydar> The bios doesn't let me to boot from it
[14:55] <haydar> yes I am
[14:56] <EriC^^> haydar: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:56] <EriC^^> haydar: also sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:56] <ducasse> MessedUpMyPc: try in ##hardware maybe
[14:56] <fch> Messed, ##hardware
[14:56] <haydar> done. now what EriC^^ _?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, your bios is not gone if your laptop boots to a usb
[14:56] <MessedUpMyPc> BIOS	Acer	1. Phase-in new AMD Agesa code 2. Add new HWID support	2.07	3.2 MB	2014/01/02
[14:56] <MessedUpMyPc> this is my bios i find it
[14:56] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: it's probably a good idea to get the bios working again, i'd try to recover the data first though if you have important stuff on it (ps as you're using mate right now the data might be overwritten..)
[14:56] <MessedUpMyPc> on acer site
[14:57] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: do you have any important data on it?
[14:57] <cfhowlett> MessedUpMyPc, since you are on the acer site, find the bios flash directions and do what you must.
[14:57] <EriC^^> i wonder how he could do it if it only works from windows
[14:58] <EriC^^> maybe boot some other iso from ubuntu mate's grub?
[14:58] <EriC^^> some bios flash thingies work from the uefi shell i think too
[14:58] <MessedUpMyPc> thanks people no nothing on it EriC^^
[14:58] <MessedUpMyPc> empty pc
[14:59] <MessedUpMyPc> just os ubuntu mate half broken then nothing on
[14:59] <haydar> I think I need to make my external hardrive UEFI based to get this boot
[14:59] <hamm> cfhowlett: i'm perfectly polite. curious if you could answer question. you troll in response?
[14:59] <haydar> and it has to be windows set up too because otherwise it won't let me
[14:59] <EriC^^> MessedUpMyPc: did you try to remove the battery and press the power button?
[14:59] <MessedUpMyPc> im using wired
[14:59] <MessedUpMyPc> i mean i use plugged no battery
[14:59] <MessedUpMyPc> what i need to do?
[15:00] <cfhowlett> hamm, don't like ubuntu.  don't use ubuntu. don't bother me any further.
[15:00] <Kouneix_> damien:d
[15:01] <damien> what does that mean
[15:01] <damien> ?
[15:02] <damien> the face from kouneix?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> haydar, why?
[15:02] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: what do you mean broken ubuntu mate installation? you still get the grub boot loader?
[15:02] <haydar> I am trying to install Windows 7 on my external harddrive but it is not letting me do that
[15:02] <MessedUpMyPc> it tells me i got half broken ubuntu as partions are all messed up
[15:02] <haydar> UEFI based BIOS is making problem
[15:02] <MessedUpMyPc> so ubuntu mate tells me everything is broken on ubuntu mate also
[15:02] <Kouneix_> damien: I did requested you in private
[15:03] <MessedUpMyPc> if you want to check from terminal we can see i hope you guys got a terminal way to wipe hard disk so can get back to w7 and from there fix bios
[15:03] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: it's just that if you get the grub boot loader, probably the bios is not at fault
[15:03] <BluesKaj> haydar,W7 doen't need uefi boot
[15:03] <BluesKaj> haydar, is the drive formatted to NTFS?
[15:03] <haydar> But it doesn't work. I tried to boot it but it sends me to the grub rescue section
[15:04] <haydar> I have two drives one is fat32 other is ntfs
[15:04] <MessedUpMyPc> when i press f2 at boot i get basically ubuntu grub splascreen that ask all recovery modes etc but usb key boot and dvd boot and bios boot are gone
[15:04] <haydar> mybe I should install grub on that ?
[15:04] <MessedUpMyPc> so im stuck on ubuntu mate with messed up partions basically
[15:04] <ducasse> MessedUpMyPc: you really should ask in ##hardware
[15:05] <MessedUpMyPc> im trying register my nickname to speak there
[15:05] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: grub doesn't list usb key and dvd boot. it must've been the bios screen
[15:05] <BluesKaj> haydar, you should be asking in #windows anyway
[15:05] <haydar> But I am using ubuntu system If I were on windows there are bunch of other options I know
[15:05] <MessedUpMyPc> so you also think i messed up bios when i did wrongly low level formatt to remove that windows 10 akik ?
[15:05] <haydar> but here I don't know much
[15:06] <haydar> anyway thank you for trying...
[15:06] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: try to compose yourself :) and ask in ##hardware
[15:06] <haydar> If you can think a way to install EFI on external hard drive let me know
[15:06] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: i bought an acer f5 laptop some time ago and was really struggling to get into the bios
[15:09] <fch> If you cannot boot into bios then yes. Take your acer laptop to the nearest customer care they can help you.
[15:09]  * cfhowlett doesn't understand how a low level format could scramble the bios ..
[15:11] <BluesKaj> he doesn't read what ppla re suggesting to him , he's convinced his bios is gone , but he can boot his usn=b, what does that tell you?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> usb
[15:11] <cfhowlett> :)
[15:12] <MessedUpMyPc> ok thanks everyone for help im asking in ##hardware now
[15:12] <BluesKaj> we've had a couple of those types in here in the last while , it must be the weekend :-)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, if you can boot to usb your bios bootsequence is still working, hence your bios is still there
[15:14] <blackthor> can i get some help troubleshoot boot issue?   i booted from USB, installed ubuntu on a clean hard drive , but after reboot, only blinking cursor (not even grub menu?)
[15:15] <Haydar1> #windows
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | blackthor
[15:15] <blackthor> thanks MonkeyDust, will try :)
[15:15] <MessedUpMyPc> i can't boot to bios BluesKaj when i f2 i jus get ubuntu mate splashscreen wich all the recovery modes etc
[15:15] <MessedUpMyPc> is that ok?
[15:16] <MonkeyDust> MessedUpMyPc  try f12
[15:16] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, do you get the ACER post page?
[15:16] <MessedUpMyPc> i basically lost ability to do usa key dvd and bios from boot seems with f2  ok i will try ill wait to see what they say in hardware you saying i changed my bios key with MonkeyDust  or what happend?
[15:17] <ducasse> blackthor: a blinking cursor can also mean you don't have the right boot device selected
[15:17] <MessedUpMyPc> yes
[15:17] <blackthor> will check settings, ducasse
[15:17] <MessedUpMyPc> Acer post age says boot bios f2 but not working since wronly low level formatted to remove w10 and installed ubuntu mate wich is messed up partions says
[15:17] <MessedUpMyPc> i still get the Acer post page btw yes but says f2 for Bios
[15:17] <BluesKaj> mes adress your answers to the questioner, otherwise there's chaos
[15:18] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc,^
[15:18] <MonkeyDust> MessedUpMyPc  interpunction, dots and comma's, make your comments esier to read
[15:20] <MessedUpMyPc> ok sorry im just in panic now
[15:20] <MessedUpMyPc> so you want i try f12 or what i should do?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, then your keyboard may be shifted by Fn
[15:20] <MonkeyDust> MessedUpMyPc  i have an acer too, it's f12 to enter the bios, here
[15:21] <MessedUpMyPc> strange before the low level formatt to remove w10 the bios worked perfect with f2 and so did usb keys and dvd boot at boot unlike now
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> MessedUpMyPc  no, i'm wrong, it's f12 to enter the boot device list
[15:21] <MessedUpMyPc> , as told f2 works but gives just ubuntu mate splashscreen not bios anymore
[15:22] <akik> same for me, f2 bios and f12 boot device list
[15:22] <aguitel> what the best way to hide my ass when downloading torrents ?
[15:22] <MessedUpMyPc> i will try f12 and brb  , but why did i loose ability to boot usb keys and dvd's this is also strange and also f2 boots just ubuntu mate grub splashscreen
[15:23] <MessedUpMyPc> aguitel: pm
[15:23] <BluesKaj> get a vpn, but this is not the place to ask for that kind of support, aguitel
[15:23] <akik> MessedUpMyPc: you're not triggering the bios setup with f2 if you see grub
[15:24] <MessedUpMyPc> ok ill try f12 thanks people brb
[15:24] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, do you still have the usb sticj plugged in
[15:29] <blackthor> hmmm it appears that pc (dell) is trying to boot from harddrive, by default in legacy mode, but using F12 i CAN boot see the drive both in legacy and in UEFI mode, and selecting UEFI results in everything working fine. will try to find a way to default to UEFI in the bios. thanks for the help
[15:31] <ioria> blackthor, can you paste sudo parted -l ?  (paste.ubuntu.com)
[15:32] <blackthor> ok fixed. it appeared to be a bios setting where i could define the default boot method (legacy or uefi). changed it and now it works.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> blackthor, then you probly installed ubuntu in uefi mode, legacy will still work if you did iirc
[15:32] <blackthor> ic, i don't remember i was given the choice
[15:32] <blackthor> :)
[15:33] <ioria> blackthor, ok
[15:33] <BluesKaj> uefi is default then
[15:33] <ducasse> blackthor: if you boot the installer in uefi mode it will install in uefi mode.
[15:34] <blackthor> ducasse: ic. well, i created a bootable stick using  lilicreator (on windows) that's probably it then.
[15:35] <MessedUpMyPc> I'm back so i did try f12 f11 nothing is really messed up basically since i did this low level formatt done in wrong way to remove w10 it messed up my pc that i can't get into my bios anymore , or lounch any usb key , dvd from boot when i try f2 f11 f12 all i get is Ubuntu Mate grub
[15:36] <MessedUpMyPc> #hardware
[15:36] <MessedUpMyPc> any suggestions?
[15:36] <MSPaint_> I am booted into an Ubuntu live usb of 14.04 and it is reporting my ssd as unallocated, despite a fresh Win10x64 install on it
[15:36] <MSPaint_> It complains that there are GPT signatures but not a valid fakedos table
[15:36] <MSPaint_> And whether I push yes or no on the prompt changes little
[15:37] <MSPaint_> Any ideas? I've done dozens of installs and dual/multi boot configs on this drive alone, and nothing like this has come up before
[15:39] <MessedUpMyPc> so peoplw what you advise me to do now?
[15:39] <MessedUpMyPc> im trying to wipe hard drive from ubuntu via terminal seems only way if someone can help me out
[15:41] <ioria> MSPaint_, i did it once, but honestly don't remember very well, btw http://askubuntu.com/questions/249642/gpt-partition-table-warning-message-during-install-of-ubuntu
[15:42] <MSPaint_> So I have to reinstall windows basically
[15:42] <MSPaint_> ioria:
[15:42] <MSPaint_> From what I gather
[15:42] <dylan__> Running 16.04. YouTube lags whenever I go into fullscreen and try to watch videos in 720p. This was not an issue on Windows, so I doubt it's related to my hardware specifications. The rest of the system runs fine, videos are just incredibly laggy both on Firefox and Chromium. I googled for fixes for about half an hour, nothing seemed to fix it. What do I do?
[15:42] <Jordan_U> MessedUpMyPc: I don't think that wiping your hard drive is the best solution, if it would even help at all.
[15:42] <Jordan_U> MessedUpMyPc: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr -v".
[15:43] <MessedUpMyPc> thanks Jordan_U
[15:43] <MessedUpMyPc> !pastebin
[15:43] <OerHeks> MSPaint_, maybe your windows is on exfat, not ntfs
[15:44] <MSPaint_> OerHeks: that'd be...interesting to say the least? I definitely went with the default Windows config
[15:44] <MSPaint_> I've installed Windows on several dozen machines in the past
[15:44] <Jordan_U> OerHeks: MSPaint_: It is incredibly unlikely that you have Windows installed on exfat.
[15:44] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: Please pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l".
[15:45] <OerHeks> MSPaint_, open terminal: sudo fdisk -l # and see the partitiontype
[15:45] <MessedUpMyPc> there you go Jordan_U http://paste.ubuntu.com/17861148/
[15:45] <OerHeks> or parted -l would do too
[15:45] <MSPaint_> Jordan_U: OerHeks: http://paste.ee/p/ZeqKR
[15:46] <OerHeks> nothing on it :-(\
[15:46] <MessedUpMyPc> what does that mean Jordan_U ?
[15:46] <MSPaint_> OerHeks: Jordan_U: http://paste.ee/p/qPEQp fdisk too for good measure
[15:46] <ioria> MSPaint_, sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
[15:47] <MessedUpMyPc> ~$ sudo efibootmgr -v efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[15:47] <MSPaint_> ioria: http://paste.ee/p/o7mCU
[15:47] <OerHeks> and exFAT it is .. sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils  # and open filemanager again
[15:47] <Jordan_U> MessedUpMyPc: It means that at one point you had a GPT label on this drive, and then you repartitioned using a tool that doesn't handle GPT properly and only changed the msdos partition table.
[15:48] <MSPaint_> I'm not honestly sure if I installed with gpt or mbr
[15:48] <Jordan_U> OerHeks: There is no indication that MSPaint_ is using exFAT.
[15:48] <MSPaint_> I did some fucky things to this harddrive after accidentally dropping an rm -rf on / one day
[15:48] <MessedUpMyPc> so basically my problem is what i tought it was in my small , knowledge of pc that is not bios problem but messed up partiosn that messed all up Jordan_U ?
[15:49] <MSPaint_> Had trouble installing a distro, took about 12 attempts for no good reason
[15:49] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: Please watch your language in this channel.
[15:49] <MSPaint_> Jordan_U: my apologies, I did not realize that was a rule here and will do so.
[15:49] <OerHeks> Jordan_U,  i do see it http://paste.ee/p/qPEQp
[15:49] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: If this is a BIOS based system then you should just use fixparts to wipe the GPT headers. If it's a UEFI based system then you should probably re-install Windows for UEFI.
[15:50] <MessedUpMyPc> or is also bios Jordan_U ?
[15:50] <MSPaint_> Jordan_U: I am admittedly less than versed with UEFI. I think I can support either, via turning off secure boot is it?
[15:51] <MSPaint_> Being that this is my first or second machine that is UEFI that I dualboot
[15:51] <Jordan_U> OerHeks: "HPFS/NTFS/exFAT" means that the partition type used is one commonly used for HPFS *or* NTFS *or* exFAT, AKA it's a partition that was likely created by Windows. Partition types are only hints at what might actually be there, and unambiguous hints at that.
[15:51] <Jordan_U> OerHeks: s/unambiguous/ambiguous/
[15:52] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: You do not need to turn off secure boot.
[15:52] <dylan__> Running 16.04. YouTube lags whenever I go into fullscreen and try to watch videos in 720p. This was not an issue on Windows, so I doubt it's related to my hardware specifications. The rest of the system runs fine, videos are just incredibly laggy both on Firefox and Chromium. I googled for fixes for about half an hour, nothing seemed to fix it. What do I do?
[15:52] <ikonia> dylan__: what have you tried
[15:52] <MSPaint_> Jordan_U: what tool should I be using to write my USBs then, cause sometimes my USB will not show up in the bootloader with secure boot on. Dunno if that's more a tool or distro thing
[15:52] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: It means that at one point you had a GPT label on this drive, and then you repartitioned using a tool that doesn't handle GPT properly and only changed the msdos partition table.
[15:52] <MSPaint_> I've been using Rufus as of late
[15:53] <MSPaint_> Having had no success with Unetbootin in roughly 2 years
[15:53] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: Some distributions do not support secure boot. Ubuntu and most other major distros do.
[15:53] <dylan__> ikonia: Disabling hardware acceleration in Chromium, trying to load chromium without extensions, refreshing cookies
[15:53] <MSPaint_> And the win7usb/dvd download tool from MS when using Windows
[15:53] <MessedUpMyPc> i wait Jordan_U  i see you busy so we can try fix menawhile asking on ##hardware
[15:53] <ikonia> dylan__: are you using youtube with flash ot html5
[15:53] <Jordan_U> MessedUpMyPc: The message I sent you about GPT headers was actually for MSPaint_.
[15:54] <ikonia> dylan__: what video card are you currently running
[15:54] <dylan__> It's in HTML5. I'm not sure what video card I'm running, I'd have to check. Is there a terminal command for that?
[15:54] <MSPaint_> Jordan_U: assuming I end up using a distro that does not support secure boot (I hop, it's a hobby) does that change me back to BIOs? I admittedly don't know what I'm doing in this one aspect
[15:54] <ikonia> dylan__: lspci will show you your pci devices (video card)
[15:55] <ikonia> dylan__: also open resource monitor, when you are watching youtube does any specific resource go up/peak
[15:55] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: No. You can use UEFI without secure boot. You cannot however use secure boot without UEFI, so that may be where your confusion arised.
[15:55] <MessedUpMyPc> o i confused then did you see my paste bin Jordan_U  http://paste.ubuntu.com/17861148/
[15:55] <MessedUpMyPc> this is reply to your command
[15:55] <MSPaint__> WiFi dropped, dunno if my last message went through
[15:55] <Jordan_U> MSPaint_: No. You can use UEFI without secure boot. You cannot however use secure boot without UEFI, so that may be where your confusion arised.
[15:55] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: assuming I end up using a distro that does not support secure boot (I hop, it's a hobby) does that change me back to BIOs? I admittedly don't know what I'm doing in this one aspect
[15:56] <dylan__> Alright, will do that. This is the output from lspci http://paste.ubuntu.com/17861649/
[15:56] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: alright, I'll remember it as basically squares and rectangles then
[15:56] <ikonia> dylan__: is this a laptop
[15:56] <dylan__> Yes, it is.
[15:56] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: should I wipe the GPT stuff as well as the hard drive and just reinstall windows then install linux?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> MessedUpMyPc, please use the nick of the person you are answering to avoid confusion
[15:57] <CrackerJack> haw to install google chrome ubuntu 16.04 32 bit
[15:57] <ikonia> dylan__: ok, so it looks like an onchip intel video card run off the cpu
[15:57] <rogerroger> Trying to install ubuntu 16.04 32-bit on a machine with at Geforce 6600. Tried Ubuntu, Lubuntu and Mint. With and without nomodeset. All give me the failure to set passwd mode to 0060 error and X server wont start. It has a working copy of Ubuntu 13.04 installed.
[15:57] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: I would recommend using GParted to create a new blank GPT disk label, then make sure that you boot your Windows installation media via UEFI rather than BIOS and install Windows, then install Ubuntu.
[15:58] <OerHeks> CrackerJack, not, as google dropped 32 bit support
[15:58] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: I'm going to do this with secure boot off, but unsure how to inform Windows whether I will use UEFI or BIOs
[15:58] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: `That is assuming that you have no valuable data on the drive currently.
[15:58] <MessedUpMyPc> ok BluesKaj   Jordan_U  asked me to this command sudo efibootmgr -v : reply is this efibootmgr: EFI variables are not supported on this system.
[15:58] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: absolutely none
[15:58] <MessedUpMyPc> now what i do?
[15:58] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: This is literally a fresh updated install with programs installed, nothing more
[15:59] <CrackerJack> chromium
[15:59] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[15:59] <CrackerJack> my all syste reintal 64 bit only 1 browser
[15:59] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: I believe that if you boot Windows' install media via UEFI then it will instll for UEFI, the same way as Ubuntu's installer, but I am not sure of that. ##windows might be able to confirm or correct that.
[15:59] <dylan__> ikonia: I checked with the System Monitor, and nothing seems to spike.
[16:00] <dylan__> The 2 main processes that take up memory are 'chromium-browser -enable-pinch' & 'chromium-browse'
[16:00] <ikonia> dylan__: so it is most likley your video cards xorg driver/configuration
[16:00] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: So just put UEFI USB above USB in the boot manager then I think?
[16:00] <ikonia> dylan__: what cpu is this ?
[16:01] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: Sounds right.
[16:01] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: Sorry, I'm having a bit of a disconnect here
[16:01] <ducasse> dylan__: do you know which generation cpu this is?
[16:01] <dylan__> Hang on a couple minutes, I'll find the information ducasse & ikonia
[16:02] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: so to make a new blank GPT label, I just right click the allegedly unallocated partition and select new and apply?
[16:02] <dylan__> ikonia: the cpu is an Intel Celeron N3050
[16:03] <dylan__> the graphic card is just 'Intel HD Graphics'
[16:03] <ikonia> thats surprising
[16:03] <ikonia> dylan__: have you actually got flash installed ?
[16:04] <dylan__> It didn't cross my mind, since I thought Flash doesn't support 60 FPS YouTube
[16:05] <ikonia> dylan__: no no, it's good that you've not
[16:05] <ikonia> dylan__: I just wanted to make sure it was using html5
[16:05] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: nevermind figured it out in gdisk
[16:05] <BluesKaj> most youtube is HTML5  altho some flash is still used
[16:05] <ikonia> if you've not installed flash on firefox, then clearly it can't use flash, which is good
[16:06] <dylan__> Yeah I just checked and YouTube is showing it's in HTML5
[16:06] <ikonia> dylan__: I was just double checking
[16:06] <MSPaint__> Though I now have a protective MBR
[16:06] <dylan__> I understand ikonia. Thanks for the help, by the way
[16:06] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: You're supposed to have a protective MBR when you're using GPT :)
[16:07] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U:  thank you for that knowledge
[16:07] <ikonia> dylan__: could you give me a link to one of the videos thats performing poor
[16:07] <Jordan_U> MSPaint__: You're welcome.
[16:07] <MSPaint__> Just realized that here http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/walkthrough.html
[16:07] <ikonia> lets have a look at the spec of what it's encoded with
[16:07] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: should I trim the drive or something now? All that Windows data is still there, just unallocated right?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> wish all websites would switch to HTML5, it's being adopted, but too slowly for my taste
[16:08] <dylan__> Sure ikonia . I'm using this video because I know how it looks without any lag and in 60 FPS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIf5gAyrf4
[16:08] <MSPaint__> I wish the same
[16:08] <MSPaint__> I started learning with HTML5
[16:08] <MSPaint__> So thankfully I have nothing to unlearn
[16:09] <Yuken> Apparently, I've accidentally uninstalled GRUB 2 in a UEFI system, so now it is just booting straight into Windows Boot Manager. How would I, with a liveCD/USB/etc, detect the operating systems on one disk and then reinstall GRUB2 onto that disk?
[16:09] <MSPaint__> Yuken: Have you taken a look at super grub repair?
[16:09] <ikonia> dylan__: and on linux, that performs poor for you
[16:09] <dylan__> Yes
[16:09] <Yuken> MSPaint__, nope.
[16:10] <MSPaint__> Yuken: I usually use a grub repair live usb to fix it but there's likely another way
[16:10] <dylan__> Which honestly is surprising to me since Ubuntu is way more lightweight than Windows (at least, it appears so from install size)
[16:10] <ikonia> dylan__: ok, thats like silk for me
[16:10] <ikonia> dylan__: ubuntu isn't more lightweight than windows, and some of the hardware support/technology support (flash for example) is much weaker
[16:10] <dylan__> Ah, I'm sorry, I just made an assumption.
[16:11] <Yuken> ikonia, wat. Ubuntu, unless you're using KDE or Unity, is much lighter than Windows.
[16:11] <ikonia> dylan__: and you're %100 sure the cpu isn't spiking while you're watching this
[16:11] <dylan__> I'll check again
[16:11] <ikonia> Yuken: no, it's really not
[16:11] <ikonia> dylan__: thank you - not saying you're wrong, just want to check for common symptoms
[16:11] <Yuken> ikonia, ... Ubuntu with Openbox or LXQt or XFCE will run on a mobile C2D from 2006 with ease. Windows 10 will not do that.
[16:11] <MSPaint__> Jordan_U: thanks for the help.  Should I let Windows format the partition or is it gonna mess with GPT
[16:11] <Yuken> CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5250  @ 1.50GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.50GHz w/ 2048 KB L2 Cache **
[16:11] <Yuken> ikonia, while using about 1/5th the RAM at idle
[16:11] <MSPaint__> PRaise openbox, btw
[16:11] <Yuken> ikonia, with an install size of 5GiB.
[16:11] <ikonia> Yuken: thats not really ubuntu though is it....thats a custom light weight build
[16:12] <Yuken> ikonia, wat. Install LXQt, XFCE, or just use plain Openbox (which is included with Ubuntu Desktop)
[16:12] <dylan__> ikonia: Odd. Now it is showing that it's spiking... I must've seen it wrong.
[16:12] <ikonia> dylan__: thats ok, thats why I checked
[16:12] <Yuken> and Unity is still lighter than Windows, ikonia, just not by an insane amount.
[16:12] <dylan__> Once the video is loaded it's stuck at 100% usage
[16:12] <ikonia> Yuken: it's really not
[16:12] <ikonia> dylan__: ok, thats what I was expecting
[16:12] <ikonia> dylan__: thats "good"
[16:13] <ikonia> dylan__: so it looks like xorg is really leaning on the cpu to run the video card
[16:13] <Yuken> ikonia, I'll just go install Unity right now and look at RAM and processor use.
[16:13] <ikonia> dylan__: is this 16.04
[16:13] <ikonia> Yuken: I don't really care to be honest with you
[16:13] <dylan__> Yes, it is.
[16:13] <Yuken> ikonia, but you're wrong ;).
[16:13] <ikonia> Yuken: I'm not but, enjoy it if it makes you feel better
[16:13] <dylan__> I just installed the latest version that the Ubuntu website gave me
[16:13] <ikonia> dylan__: nothing wrong with that
[16:14] <ikonia> dylan__: can you go to /var/log and see if you have something that looks like Xorg.0.log
[16:14] <dylan__> Sure. One second
[16:15] <Yuken> ikonia, I mean, even the Ubuntu Desktop requirements area kind've disagrees with you.
[16:15] <dylan__> ikonia: I do
[16:15] <ikonia> Yuken: as I said, I don't really care
[16:15] <Yuken> An old 700MHz Celeron and 512MiB of RAM for Unity on Ubuntu Desktop.
[16:15] <ikonia> dylan__: can you "grep -i intel" against that log please
[16:15] <dylan__> Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old
[16:15] <ikonia> dylan__: forget the "old" log
[16:15] <ikonia> dylan__: you should get quite a few results to that command
[16:16] <ikonia> dylan__: see if you have something that looks similar (not the same) to this
[16:16] <ikonia> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17862709/
[16:16] <nuno_nunes> Yuken, install to lubuntu or xubuntu
[16:16] <ikonia> and if you do, pastebin what you have and share the link please
[16:17] <dylan__> I'm not really sure how to do that command to be honest with you. I tried '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' -grep - i intel but that says permission denied
[16:17] <ikonia> dylan__: no problem "sudo grep -i intel /var/log/Xorg.9.log"
[16:17] <ikonia> sorry .0.log
[16:17] <ikonia> not .9
[16:17] <dylan__> Alright, that worked. One second, pasting it
[16:18] <nictrasavios> Hello, the default eclipse packages in the repo come without software sites, so install support for languages like ruby is impossible without looking up and manually entering the defaults.
[16:18] <dylan__> Here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17862805/
[16:18] <nictrasavios> The defaults are often hard to find, and normal installations come with them - thus, nobody posts them online.
[16:19] <MessedUpMyPc> Jordan_U:  did you see the pastebin you asked me ?
[16:19] <nictrasavios> I ended up installing their offical versions from their website, but I figured I should inform the #ubuntu channel of this problem.
[16:19] <MessedUpMyPc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17861148/
[16:19] <ikonia> dylan__: thats frustating that looks good,
[16:20] <ikonia> dylan__: can you do a test for me, can you view your test video at a much lower quality, say 480
[16:20] <ikonia> dylan__: what happens with the cpu
[16:20] <dylan__> Alright
[16:20] <ikonia> (and how does the video playbook look)
[16:21] <dylan__> ikonia: The first 20 seconds of the video at 480p had my CPU running at 100%. After that it went down to around 80%
[16:21] <ikonia> so even then it's really testing it
[16:22] <dylan__> The video seemed relatively smooth, except for an occasional 1 second freeze
[16:22] <Yuken> dylan__, what processor are you running?
[16:22] <ikonia> it's leaning on your cpu way too hard,
[16:22] <dylan__> Another thing I Just noticed (the video started at 720p60FPS) is that there was screen tearing
[16:22] <ikonia> dylan__: I'd not worry about that
[16:23] <dylan__> Yuken: an Intel Celeron N3050
[16:26] <dylan__> ikonia: anything else you can think of?
[16:26] <dylan__> If not, I understand.
[16:27] <ikonia> dylan__: I'm just looking at that modules and xorg options to see if there is anything that can change the way that driver is being used
[16:28] <ikonia> dylan__: on paper that cpu/intel-hd graphics should be enough to deal with that quite easy, but for some reason xorg is pushing the weight onto the cpu generally rather than the graphics chip on the cpu
[16:28] <dylan__> ikonia: let's hope there's a fix for that
[16:28] <ducasse> dylan__: you can try to enable tearfree and dri3, but not sure if it will work with your particular gpu.
[16:29] <ikonia> dylan__: every day I see people using this with no problem, there will be room to change the config, it's just a case of what
[16:29] <ikonia> ducasse: it's intel on cpu
[16:29] <ikonia> celeron
[16:29] <ducasse> ikonia: i know.
[16:30] <ducasse> ikonia: many of them support dri3, but it's not enabled by default. works fine on mine.
[16:30] <ikonia> tearfee is not an intel setting
[16:31] <ducasse> tearfree is mentioned as disabled in the paste you just posted, and works on mine (hd 4600)
[16:32] <ikonia> thats interesting
[16:32] <ikonia> it's not listed in the module docs
[16:32] <ducasse> both those settings have an effect, and it's noticeable.