[07:37] <jphilips> JackFrost: any update yet for xebian?
[07:40] <JackFrost> In what sense?
[07:44] <jphilips> you mentioned you'd be updating the ISO soon last month
[07:44] <jphilips> did you want to add these 2 patches to xebian
[07:44] <jphilips> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9
[07:44] <jphilips> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/8
[07:51] <JackFrost> Not so much, no.  8 would be more of a possibility.   Yeah that's coming along nicely, doing one last refresh now to pick up a fix for plocate related to overlayfs.
[07:55] <JackFrost> Found some lovely bugs in live-build that had to be fixed too.


 Free = online only.     Is up to the dev of the game
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[06:58] <Xethron> Morning Kilos
[06:58] <mazal> I am not happy with my 14.04 performance. Is 64bit Ubuntu. The overall unity and browsing and opening apps are all very slow
[06:58] <mazal> I do not have screen drivers installed.
[06:59] <mazal> Installing the drivers might help for unity , but will it help for overall other performance as well ? What you guys think ?
[06:59] <Kilos> i think mine is faster than 12.04
[06:59] <mazal> Mine is slower
[06:59] <Kilos> but got additional drivers for graphics installed
[07:00] <Kilos> graphics drivers should improve speed
[07:00] <mazal> And the worst part is , my 12.04 ran from a usb disc. This one runs on the internal drive. Just that should make this one much faster
[07:00] <Kilos> and turn off some of the shade fade stuff whatever its called
[07:00] <mazal> My worry is , it's and ATI card oom
[07:00] <Kilos> yes it should be faster than from usb
[07:01] <mazal> Previously ATI drivers broke my pc beyond use
[07:01] <mazal> So I am very reluctant to install it
[07:01] <Kilos> ati have some drivers going for them just check
[07:01] <Kilos> oh
[07:01] <mazal> Maybe make an image first
[07:01] <Kilos> only do it with the additional drivers function
[07:02] <Kilos> dont go get drivers on your own let ubuntu think for you
[07:02] <mazal> I'm gonna make image and then try that and see
[07:03] <mazal> bb laaaaaaater
[07:03] <Kilos> k
[07:04] <Xethron> Kilos: think I'm going back to LM
[07:04] <Kilos> LM?
[07:04] <Kilos> mint?
[07:05] <Kilos> Xethron, talk to me
[07:06] <Xethron> Jup
[07:06] <Xethron> Waiting for the new LM to be released
[07:06] <Xethron> Then I'm formatting again
[07:06] <Kilos> have you tried just putting that gui on
[07:06] <Kilos> mate?
[07:06] <Xethron> Meh, why use Linux Mint's GUI on Ubuntu when its been designed for LM?
[07:07] <Kilos> mate on 12.04 was much faster than unity
[07:07] <Xethron> I used Cinnamon last time :)
[07:07] <Xethron> Yeah
[07:07] <Xethron> Unity seems buggy
[07:07] <Xethron> VERY buggy
[07:07] <Kilos> unity is slow yes but not buggy
[07:07] <Xethron> VERY buggy!!!
[07:07] <Kilos> what bugs getting you
[07:07] <Xethron> Buggy as shit
[07:08] <Xethron> Yesterday, alt-tabbed to my desktop
[07:08] <Kilos> did you do the 10 things to do
[07:08] <Xethron> and it overlay'd my desktop over eerything, I couldn't even see the unity menu
[07:08] <Xethron> or alt-tab menu
[07:08] <Xethron> everything got behind the desktop
[07:08] <Kilos> ai!
[07:09] <Xethron> Now, when I alt-tab, it used to show when there where more than 1 item in a group
[07:09] <Xethron> Now, it doesn't
[07:09] <Kilos> something is disabled
[07:09] <Xethron> I had it crash a few times too
[07:10] <Xethron> My 2nd screen
[07:10] <Xethron> the bar at the top
[07:10] <Xethron> looks messed up
[07:10] <Kilos> wow mine has been stable but i dont alt tab i use 10 workspaces then just choose what i want in the launcher
[07:10] <Xethron> Instead of black, its this white crap and the text is unreadible
[07:10] <Kilos> something in settings you can change
[07:10] <Xethron> I sometimes get that the top white bar mixes with other apps. So when you close an app, the wrong app closes
[07:11] <Kilos> http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/04/24/10-or-20-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[07:11] <Kilos> mine is black
[07:11] <Xethron> Kilos: well, my default monitor is the  black theme, but my 2nd monitor is a mixture of the black and white theme (White text (From black theme) and white background (From black theme))
[07:11] <Kilos> its all in the settings
[07:12] <Kilos> eish
[07:12] <Xethron> haha
[07:12] <Xethron> So yeah
[07:12] <Xethron> Not having the best time with Unity
[07:12] <Xethron> :P
[07:12] <Kilos> oh and there is unity-tweak-tool in the repos you can install, there lotsa stuff there
[07:13] <Xethron> Oh, and don't like Nautilus much ether
[07:13] <Xethron> Nemo is much better :D
[07:13] <Kilos> half the stuff i dont even understand
[07:13] <Xethron> Much more configurable :P
[07:13] <charl_> good morning all
[07:13] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:13]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:13] <Kilos> ok then LM it is for you
[07:13] <charl_> hi Kilos, Xethron
[07:13] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:13] <Xethron> Hi charl_
[07:13] <charl_> some nice activity here to early in the morning :)
[07:14] <Kilos> as long as its not win7 or 8 Xethron
[07:14] <Xethron> haha
[07:15] <Kilos> have you tried kde?
[07:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:22] <mazal> Ok I have 2 options , don't know which one to install
[07:23] <mazal> fglrx or fglrx-updates ?
[07:23] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:23] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[07:23] <mazal> I'm thinking the 2nd one as that one gets updates and the other one don't ?
[07:26] <Kilos> ya thats what i do
[07:27] <Kilos> how much ram you have there mazal
[07:35] <mazal_> 16gig oom
[07:35] <Kilos> sjoe dis lekker ne
[07:36] <mazal_> K , laak reboot en sien wat gebeur
[07:39] <mazal> hmmm , sien nie rerig 'n verskil nie
[07:49] <Kilos> ai!
[07:49] <Kilos> http://www.enqlu.com/2014/04/tips-how-to-speed-up-ubuntu-lts-1404.html
[07:50] <Kilos> en dan kyk in die unity-tweak-tool. baie goed wat jy daar kan doen
[07:53] <Kilos> sit af animation goed
[07:53] <Kilos> ek kon nog nie hulle almal kry nie
[07:54] <Kilos> dis die eye candy wat brieke aanslaan
[07:58] <charl_> so i tried tails today... this was a mistake
[07:58] <charl_> changed my mac address so i could not get onto the network anymore
[07:59] <charl_> idea is good... implementation is bad
[08:12] <Kilos> ouch
[08:15] <Kilos> hi drussell Vince-0
[08:18] <Vince-0> haai
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> gotta love the magic of LVM :-D
[09:34] <drussell> Kilos: yo!
[10:48] <Kilos> hi superfly
[11:05] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:48] <kbmonkey> Hola
[11:48] <kbmonkey> superfly, that minetest is dangerous. I ended up staying a bit longer.
[11:49] <Kilos> hahaha hi kbmonkey
[11:49] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> i just got lost inna hole somewhere
[11:49] <kbmonkey> oh noes Kilos
[11:50] <Kilos> i just got the win version so sis can try it too
[11:50] <Kilos> but its on my singleplayer so you cant even find me
[11:50] <Kilos> we gotta work out a way so it uses less data
[11:51] <Kilos> better to get lost online then someone can find you
[11:51] <kbmonkey> I found a valley where papyrus grows, I used it to make paper, then I made boos and finally a bookshelf!
[11:51] <Kilos> oh i got some interesting links for it
[11:51] <kbmonkey> but I found the valley by getting lost. so I want to find out where it is to go back there
[11:52] <kbmonkey> because I harvested the papyrus, and planted fields of it. so now we have plenty
[11:52] <Kilos> like i said it needs gps added for us rigting dom mense
[11:52] <kbmonkey> lol farmer monkey
[11:52] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[11:52] <Kilos> oh you did it online
[11:53] <Kilos> http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Minetest_Wiki
[11:53] <Kilos> lotsa info there
[11:54] <Kilos> even /gimme commands i cant get to work here anyway
[11:55] <Kilos>   /giveme
[11:56] <Kilos> sooner or later there must be war or something because one can make swords
[12:00] <Kilos> and even glass so glass skylights in roof will let the daytime in
[12:00] <Kilos> hehe
[12:01] <kbmonkey> I made some glass in the furnace last night!
[12:01] <kbmonkey> I put a coal lump and desert sand in the furnace
[12:01] <Kilos> clever
[12:02] <Kilos> online so much better than here
[12:02] <Kilos> no one to give me coal to make a lamp
[12:03] <kbmonkey> lool
[12:03] <Kilos> but its quite a fun game methinks
[12:03] <Kilos> for me anyway
[12:06] <kbmonkey> are you practicing how to use tings Kilos ? how to make a pick, and how to use it.
[12:06] <kbmonkey> I see there are mods to add sheep, cows, ostriches, vombies, slimes, blue/white fish, clownfish, wolves, boombombs, traders, gulls, chickens, rats, deer, big reds, oerkkis, archers and guards
[12:07] <Kilos> ya thats what im doing but hunted for coal and then got lost inna dark cave or something
[12:07] <Kilos> when i tick mods here it crashes
[12:07] <Kilos> the online mod repo dont work
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe single players not allowed mods
[12:17] <kbmonkey> I wonder how I can find my way back again
[12:18] <Kilos> when im there we will see each other
[12:18] <Kilos> so then you got rigting
[12:18] <Kilos> but too much in and out here now to go online
[12:19] <kbmonkey> I walked far, I think due north. but I got lost and  probably angled off
[12:19] <Kilos> lemme go quick and you can try find me
[12:21] <mazal> This is like minecraft yes ?
[12:22] <kbmonkey> Kilos, no no not now it is okay, thanks matey
[12:22] <Kilos> ok
[12:22] <kbmonkey> mazal, yes it is an open source implementation like that
[12:22] <kbmonkey> minetest
[12:22] <kbmonkey> the fly host a server we play on
[12:23] <Kilos> hosts
[12:24] <mazal> I heard so much about minecraft en when I saw screenshots I was put off immediately
[12:24] <mazal> So never tried this type of game
[12:25] <Kilos> it actually grows on you
[12:28] <Kilos> and more fun playing with someone else online too
[12:29] <mazal> What do you actually do in the game ? What is the object ?
[12:30] <mazal> objective even
[12:32] <kbmonkey> I dont think it is a game, more like a sandbox exploratory world
[12:33] <kbmonkey> the engine is "voxel", an isometric display style that was popular in early years
[12:33] <kbmonkey> it means "big pixels"
[12:36] <Private_User> afternoon all
[12:36] <Private_User> hi Kilos, kbmonkey
[12:37] <Private_User> hey anybody know unick?
[12:38] <Private_User> its a thermal paste I found here on the tube it says meant for transistors and diodes but wondering if I can use it for a CPU?
[12:38] <bduk1> Private_User: is she good looking?
[12:38] <Private_User> LOL
[12:39] <Kilos> mazal, you can make swords eventually so there must be war in the future
[12:39] <Private_User> hi bduk1
[12:41] <bduk1> hi Private_User
[12:48] <kbmonkey> hi Private_User, sorry I cannot help you there with the thermal paste
[12:49] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you can attack each other. so war is a possibility
[12:49] <kbmonkey> anyway I am detaching now. be back later tonight
[12:50] <Kilos> dont you dare kbmonkey
[12:50] <Kilos> ok
[12:50] <kbmonkey> ha ha, dare me!
[12:50] <Kilos> nono
[12:50] <kbmonkey> you respawn
[12:51] <Kilos> no fighting with old peeps
[12:51] <kbmonkey> but have to find your bones to claim your inventory
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[12:51] <kbmonkey> alright
[12:51] <mazal> Bye everyone
[13:31] <Kilos> Fetched 56,1 MB in 1min 35s (587 kB/s)
[13:59] <Kilos> hi Rynomster
[14:31] <superfly> kbmonkey: voxel = VOlume piXEL
[14:40] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[14:41] <Cantide> hello :)
[14:44] <superfly> Kilos: if you get lost, ping me in IRC and I'll try to get into the game. then you just look for my name and walk till you find me
[14:44] <Cantide> o_o
[14:44] <Cantide> what game are you guys playing?
[14:45] <Kilos> i got lost on the single player one here ty superfly
[14:45] <superfly> minetest
[14:45] <Kilos> minetest
[14:45] <Kilos> but in singleplayer i only get the minimal install working
[14:46] <Kilos> asked the guys at #minetest and they said i must check in the minetest folder if there is one called minetest_game
[14:46] <Kilos> i can only fing  .minetest
[14:47] <Kilos> dunno where the minetest folder might be
[14:47] <Cantide> aha, i played minetest once :D
[14:47] <Kilos> its fun if you play with someone
[14:47] <Kilos> very funny at times
[14:48] <Cantide> yeah :)
[14:49] <Kilos> here in single mode i end up flattening mountains to get anywhere
[14:49] <Kilos> hehe
[14:49] <Cantide> o_o;;;
[14:49] <Cantide> you sound dangerous :p
[14:49] <Kilos> and i dig water with a pick haha
[14:57] <Cantide> good night! '-'/
[15:57] <kbmonkey> superfly, minetest: how can I find my way back to where we were? I have wandered too far..
[15:58] <Kilos> haha
[15:58] <Kilos> lemme connect then see if you see me
[15:59] <kbmonkey> ah by name label?
[16:00] <Kilos> ya look for my name somewhere in the distance
[16:00] <kbmonkey> Kilos, too clever !
[16:00] <Kilos> then dont go wandering off so far in the future
[16:01] <kbmonkey> went exploring
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <theblazehen> yay
[16:08]  * theblazehen is no longer K-lined
[16:11] <kbmonkey> woot
[16:29] <kbmonkey> hi smile
[16:29] <smile> hi ;)
[16:29] <kbmonkey> what you doing in game Kilos ?
[16:29] <smile> if (sun.state == shining){ goto home;}; :p
[16:29] <Kilos> hi theblazehen smile
[16:30] <Kilos> building up the walls and making wood slabs
[16:30] <kbmonkey> ah good man
[16:30] <theblazehen> hey Kilos
[16:31] <Kilos> but i dont work inna dark
[16:31] <Kilos> craft in the dark but dont wander around
[16:35] <kbmonkey> hi theblazehen
[16:36] <kbmonkey> who wnats to join us in minetest?
[16:36] <theblazehen> hi kbmonkey
[16:36] <theblazehen> Anyone here use xdmcmp or x2go?
[16:38] <kbmonkey> nope
[16:39] <theblazehen> kk :/
[16:39]  * theblazehen <3's dual screen, but netbook isn't fast enough
[16:39] <theblazehen> Wanna run apps in a VM with display on VM
[17:04] <kbmonkey> Kilos, whoops I pressed quit by mistake
[17:10] <captine> evening all
[17:33] <charl_> good evening all
[17:33] <charl_> hi theblazehen, captine, kbmonkey, Kilos
[17:33] <Kilos> hi charl_
[17:34] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:42] <charl_> :)
[17:51] <theblazehen> hi charl_
[18:51]  * Kilos sends 99 banana bunches to kbmonkey
[18:58] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos !
[18:59] <magespawn> good evening
[19:03] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[19:03] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[19:03] <Kilos> \sorry was struck in minetest
[19:04] <Kilos> you can install it on windows too and join us
[19:05] <magespawn> indeed
[19:05] <magespawn> then i will get stuck like  you
[19:05] <Kilos> no man wes ot the fly get me out
[19:05] <Kilos> s/ot/or
[19:06] <Kilos> they can see to run around at night
[19:06] <magespawn> that game has serious addictive properties
[19:06] <Kilos> yeah it be very lekker
[19:06] <Kilos> we have good laughs too
[19:09] <magespawn> mmm indeed
[19:09] <magespawn> i only have a little data left for the rest of the month and at the moment i am too busy to play at work
[19:10] <Kilos> we started last night for just under 2 hours used 8m data
[19:10] <Kilos> did check tonight
[19:10] <Kilos> didnt
[19:15] <magespawn> sounds light, but i only have about 200m left for the rest of the month and i need it for work
[19:31] <Kilos> whew
[19:31] <Kilos> np next month or so. we arent going anywhere
[19:35] <magespawn> indeed, i need to manage my mobile data better
[19:35] <Kilos> we all do i wont make near the end of next months with mine
[19:35] <magespawn> i have been playing on my own server but that gets a bit boring
[19:36] <Kilos> i have been thinking about that
[19:36] <Kilos> what about other pcs on your own network
[19:36] <Kilos> will that work
[19:36] <magespawn> that can work yup
[19:36] <Kilos> like if i connect 2 here via router
[19:36] <magespawn> you need other people to play but yes
[19:37] <Kilos> then ill get a long cable and connect sis up
[19:37] <Kilos> and then no data will be used?
[19:37] <magespawn> yes one will be the server the other will connect to it and both will play in on the same map
[19:37] <magespawn> not after you have set it up
[19:37] <Kilos> lekker
[19:37] <magespawn> maybe for updates but not for game play
[19:38] <Kilos> get your wife hooked and play on home net
[19:38] <Kilos> not the kids they too fast
[19:40] <magespawn> need to set up the network at home, something that has been on the todo list for sometime
[19:41] <magespawn> set up a seperate machine to run the server so that people can play when they want
[19:41] <Kilos> yip ill set one pc with 14.04 server soon
[19:42] <Kilos> there wasnt much response to maia for dvds i think
[19:42] <Kilos> one or 2 peeps said they distribute
[19:43] <Kilos> no one in durbs
[19:44] <magespawn> maybe most of the guys will just download it
[19:52] <magespawn> i have to go now, good night Kilos
[19:53] <Kilos> night magespawn
[19:53] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Kilos,
[20:09] <Kilos> yes kbmonkey
[20:09] <Kilos> you keep disconnecting
[20:09] <kbmonkey> my game movement gets stuck.
[20:10] <Kilos> you on 14.04?
[20:10] <kbmonkey> no on crunchbang and using latest minetest client
[20:11] <Kilos> ai!
[20:11] <kbmonkey> humbug
[20:11] <Kilos> well i always called it crashbang
[20:12] <Kilos> time you upgrade to 14.04
[20:12] <kbmonkey> lol
[20:12] <kbmonkey> is debian rolling release
[20:12] <Kilos> ubuntu better than debian
[20:13] <kbmonkey> don't get this when going through the phone net
[20:13] <kbmonkey> weird
[20:13] <Kilos> must be your cheap vodafone modem
[20:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[20:13] <kbmonkey> it is mtn!
[20:14] <Kilos> thats even worse
[20:14] <Kilos> i told you get the telkom starter pack
[20:14] <Kilos> this modem flies and dont lose connection
[20:15] <Kilos> and if you complain they sent a tech to you to sort the prob
[20:16] <Kilos> they tried to tell me it was my modem and when he sat here with his lappy he had same prob so then they accepted the tower was sick and they fixed it
[20:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[01:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: OH SHIT
[01:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: OHHHHHHHHHHH SHIT
[01:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: READ GITTER
 What?!
[01:53] <tsimonq2> Oh
[01:53] <tsimonq2> Grr
[01:53] <tsimonq2> Meant to PM
[01:53] <tsimonq2> Regardless
[01:54] <tsimonq2> Apologies
 hi simon
 Hey, nice to see you here :)
 @carriewst, o/
 :)
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://i.imgur.com/3LnZRxN.jpg
 @VikingRedwolf, Nice ;_;
 Btw, where do you guys host the lubuntu source code?
 you mean the packages from Launchpad?
 or the desktop specific apps?
 I do android development, they fetch repos and modules from git via "repo" in the manifest
 @VikingRedwolf, Basically yeah the basic pacakges
 we use both Git and Launchpad for now
 Lubuntu is essentially a slimmed down Ubuntu right? And with a different env
 @VikingRedwolf, Nice :3
 yyes
 Oo
 and yes
 @VikingRedwolf, I'll search it up
 :)
 I'm actually pretty hyped to contribute but I'm not very experienced with distro devving
 I do everything android though
 @carriewst, Kernel, roms, apps, mods etc
 nice
 But speaking in terms of ubuntu rootfs
 @carriewst, Gimme a sec i lost my train of thoughts
 o___o
 What compilers do you guys use? Do you need them?
 I know the kernel requires a toolchainbu
 But how bout distros?
[12:03] <omairqazi>  <lazr.restfulclient.resource.Collection object at 0x7f7693a4e210> in python
 @carriewst, What?
 It's Linux
 Ooh
 I'll read up more before asking
 :)
 Thanks for the help @re
 @carriewst, Lubuntu is built modular in that the components are built at different times and it's all swappable with the proper configurations.
 Ooh thanks simon
 (Sticker, 512x500) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3339
 @Jazz_bender, o/
 Brasil ✌
 @Jazz_bender, Hi there
 Hi
[17:16] <wxl> what's up @Jazz_bender
 😁👍
[19:06] <wxl> Meltdown/Spectre-fixed stable kernels now out https://lwn.net/Articles/743246
[19:27] <teward> "There are apparently known (or suspected) problems with each of the releases, which Kroah-Hartman is hoping to get shaken out in the near term. For example, the 4.4.110 announcement warns"
[19:27] <teward> for obvious reasons you should tread lightly with these :P
[23:59] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Artful Dot One] (20180105) has been added
[23:59] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Dot One] (20180105) has been added


[00:00] <soren> It is a bit confusing. :)
[00:00] <ScottK2> Debian arch: all ~= RPM noarch.
[00:01] <mok0> Yeah, I really like that noarch :-P
[00:01] <awen_> soren: just need to learn it :)
[00:01] <mok0> runs on no arch's
[00:04] <jdong> mok0: everything runs on noarch :D
[00:04] <mok0> jdong: ha!
[00:06] <zul> soren: go to bed...sheesh
[00:06] <soren> zul: I don't wanna!
[00:06] <soren> I'm busy taking over the world.
[00:06] <zul> soren: its like someone is paying you to stay up
[00:11] <awen_> soren: thanks for all the help... now I just have to fix the two lintian errors :)
[00:11] <soren> zul: You'd think so, wouldn't you :)
[00:12] <zul> soren: how late is it there? 1ish?
[00:12] <awen_> zul: correct :P
[00:17] <soren> zul: Something like that.
[00:24] <Hobbsee> yay, random subscriptions to bug.s
[00:25]  * Hobbsee doesn't remember why something changed in edgy.
[00:26] <mok0> Good morning, Hobbsee
[00:26] <Hobbsee> morning mok0
[00:27]  * mok0 should probably go to sleep soon...
[00:27] <TheMuso> 23/c
[00:28] <mok0> breaking: Obama wins Mississippi
[00:29]  * awen_ just realized that the default wallpaper has changed... that's why it looked different
[00:31] <Hobbsee> ugh.  us politics
[00:33] <TheMuso> Australian politics is bad enough.
[00:35] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[00:36] <awen_> Anyone wants to have a look at a new package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=uniconvertor ... all suggestions+comments from RainCT has been incorporated
[00:38] <protonchris> Hobbsee: Would you be will to look at bug 200292 ?
[00:38] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 200292 in libgda3 "Sync libgda3_3.0.2-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200292
[00:44] <awen_> getting much to late... goodnight people
[00:44] <soren> YEah, same here.
[00:45] <soren> (Unsurprisingly, as we're in the same $TZ)
[00:46] <awen_> he :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> someone should update awn.
[01:30] <RAOF> By 'update' you mean FFe?
[01:31] <RAOF> And grab 0.2.6, or whatever the release is?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, looks like it
[01:31] <RAOF> Hobbsee: And probably introduce a plugins package? ;)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:32] <RAOF> I suppose so.
[01:32] <RAOF> I might actually _use_ an updated awn.
[01:45] <bddebian> Heya
[01:46] <protonchris> Hey
[01:46] <bddebian> Hello protonchris
[01:47] <emgent> heya gang!
[01:47] <bddebian> Heh, hi emgent
[01:54] <protonchris> bddebian: Are you up for taking a look at a package that needs sponsoring (motu-release has already approved)?
[01:55] <bddebian> protonchris: What package?
[01:55] <protonchris> bug 190744
[01:55] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 190744 in libgdamm3.0 "Request: Upgrade libgdamm3.0 to upstream version 2.9.81" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190744
[02:03] <bddebian> protonchris: I'm lazy, do you have a source package posted somewhere?
[02:04] <protonchris> bddebian: just a sec
[02:09] <protonchris> bddebian: I can post the files to my server.  Will that work?
[02:09] <bddebian> Sure
[02:10] <protonchris> bddebian: http://protonlab.net/~chris/libgdamm3.0/
[02:14] <bddebian> And why is it libgdamm3.0-2.9.88?
[02:15] <protonchris> Should be libgdamm3.0-2.9.82
[02:16] <bddebian> Yeah, sorry, but why 3.0 with 2.9.82?
[02:21] <protonchris> I am not sure why they decided to call it 3.0 when it was first packaged.  I assumed that upstream was leading up to a 3.0 release.
[02:22] <RAOF> Presumably that's the soname, right?
[02:24] <bddebian> Sure, just looks odd :)
[02:25] <protonchris> That package produces a libgdamm3.0-9 binary package.  The soname is 9.
[02:28] <bddebian> Uhm, that's even worse :)
[02:38] <bddebian> Do we care that the soname doesn't match the package name?
[02:39] <tritium> Hey there, bddebian :)
[02:39] <bddebian> Hi tritium
[02:39] <protonchris> Well, we also have a libgdamm1.3 in the archive with a soname of 8 :)
[02:39] <bddebian> heh
[02:40] <bddebian> protonchris: OK, uploaded, it's all yours now! :)
[02:40] <protonchris> Thanks.
[02:47] <protonchris> bddebian: Will the bug close itself since I put the bug number in the changelog?
[02:47] <bddebian> It's supposed to
[02:47] <protonchris> Cool, thanks again.
[03:51] <TheMuso> 5~/c
[05:08] <neh> anybody know if mythtv .21 will make it into hardy?
[05:09] <RAOF> neh: It already has.
[05:12] <neh> RAOF: ah, I must have looked in the wrong place before, now I see it. thanks.
[06:16]  * Hobbsee wonders why our eclipse version is so old
[07:06] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Because everyone hates java.
[07:07] <RAOF> It's like the stillborn progeny of gods too dark to comprehend, animated by sheer bloodymindedness.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> RAOF: awww
[07:07] <RAOF> Or, alternatively, just because no MOTU actually _uses_ Eclipse.
[07:08]  * RAOF 's Java developing friend is particularly impressed with the way Eclipse can happily consume > 3Gb of memory.
[07:08] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <RAOF> 'Morning dholbach!
[07:08] <RAOF> Now, let there be a chicken/pasta/pesto bake thing prepared!
[07:10] <dholbach> hi RAOF
[07:17] <RAOF> Hobbsee: You use Gnome-Do, right?  How would you feel in principle about a FFe for it?  I'd need to actually cut a release of it, but trunk has some significantly cool new features.
[07:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: what features?
[07:20] <RAOF> Hobbsee: The inteface is a little shinier, but the really killer feature is that it now learns what you use most, and prioritises hits by that.
[07:20] <Hobbsee> RAOF: excellent.  can we get some of the plugins too?
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> oooh, I like that.
[07:21] <RAOF> Also, on the plugins front, there's an awesome Launchpad plugin, and better error catching in Do.
[07:21] <RAOF> So it should be harder for plugins to bring down Do :)
[07:21] <RAOF> Hobbsee: There's _already_ a gnome-do-plugins package, right?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yummy.  i din't ahve that.
[07:22] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, i want to see the LP one in there too
[07:22] <RAOF> Right.  So, were I to cut a release we'd pick up the freshly merged LP plugin, and a couple of other less awesome ones.
[07:23] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Incidentally, Do is an awesome Rhythmbox interface :)
[07:24] <RAOF> Were you using Do without the plugins?  That'd be quite a lot less awesome.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:25] <Hobbsee> anyway, yes, i'd approve the uvfe for it
[07:25] <Hobbsee> the mroe plugins it has, the more usfeul it is
[07:27]  * tonyyarusso thinks you should include zelut's apt-get plugin
[07:28] <RAOF> Right.  So, I'll try and get my ducks in a line so that I can cut a release & package on the weekend.
[07:28] <RAOF> Maybe.  It's not soumething that *I* use :)
[07:28] <RAOF> tonyyarusso: ^^^
[07:29]  * RAOF goes back to roasting capsicum
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> RAOF: nah, but it looks nifty
[07:34] <RAOF> Man I need a parsley plant...
[08:30] <RAOF> Dear aptitude: _FASTER_!  I want to see if I can unbreak X :)
[09:20] <\sh> moins
[09:23] <DaveMorris> who do I need to poke to get a patch I provided to a bug built and released?
[09:27] <DktrKranz2> DaveMorris: could you please indicate which bug you are referring to?
[09:29] <DaveMorris> Bug #195433
[09:34] <DktrKranz2> bug 195433
[09:38] <DaveMorris> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opensg/+bug/195433
[09:38] <DaveMorris> since ubot seems to be broken
[09:41] <DktrKranz2> DaveMorris: It was me who commented on it.
[09:42] <DktrKranz2> it's uncommon to depends on -dev packages, though.
[09:42] <DktrKranz2> does opensg require files in these -dev packages?
[09:44] <DaveMorris> opensg-dev needs to fulfil against those since thats whats returned by osg-config (and pkg-config since I based it on the osg-config results)
[09:46] <DaveMorris> so atm when you try and link against opensg it fails as it can't find the libs to link against
[09:46] <DktrKranz2> does it happens at build time?
[09:47] <DaveMorris> yes (not build time for opensg, but build time for programs linking against opensg)
[09:49] <DaveMorris> I missed them off when I built the package as I didn't try linking against it in a clean environment (have now learnt :) )
[09:50] <YokoZar> I have a package (zsnes) that recently started building on amd64.  The last upload added amd64 arch to the control file, and it builds fine if I use dpkg-buildpackage.  However, looking it up on launchpad, the build daemon isn't even trying to build it on amd64, and gnome-app-install has it unclickable still
[09:50] <YokoZar> Do we have to manually tell the buildd to attempt amd64 ?
[09:51] <DktrKranz2> DaveMorris: ah... have you some examples?
[09:52] <DaveMorris> yeah, give us a sec
[09:53] <DktrKranz2> (brb)
[09:59] <DaveMorris> DktrKranz2:  http://foss.it.brighton.ac.uk/epoch/opensg-example.tar.gz
[09:59] <DaveMorris> To build create a symbolic link in the trunk dir called OpenSG pointing to the trunk dir (ln -s . OpenSG), then use make (there are targets to install make the test if you wanted, you need to run the test though).  It depends on the package libopensg-core-dev
[10:10] <RAOF> YokoZar: No, AFAIK you shouldn't have to explicitly ask the buildd to build it (or, rather, having amd64 in the arch field *is* explicitly asking for it).
[10:11] <YokoZar> RAOF: ok then...so what do I do here?
[10:11] <YokoZar> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zsnes/1.510-2ubuntu1  <-- note it doesn't even try
[10:12] <DktrKranz2> DaveMorris: ok. I'll have a look this evening then. Thanks.
[10:12]  * RAOF has a look
[10:13] <DaveMorris> thanks
[10:15] <RAOF> YokoZar: I can't see anything obvious, and I don't really have time for a more detailed poke.
[10:15] <YokoZar> thanks RAOF.  Do you happen to know who I should bother?
[10:15] <RAOF> Probably anyone on #ubuntu-devel would work :)
[10:17] <\sh> YokoZar: ask pitti ;)
[10:20] <awen_> RainCT: thanks for the help yesterday... i've changed it to use pycentral, and uploaded it again, if you have time for a look: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=uniconvertor
[10:28] <\sh> oh wow..I found my window manager for working really fast
[10:28] <\sh> wmii rulez
[10:54]  * pochu waves good morning
[10:56] <\sh> hey pochu
[10:57] <pochu> hey hey \sh
[11:31] <huats> ScottK hey
[11:33] <huats> the other day you were asking to let you know if some sponsoring was needed for the python-xml bug : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tinyerp-server/+bug/199487
[11:33] <huats> :)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> RainCT: how'd you break X?
[12:00] <\sh> oh I'm really in love with wmii
[12:08] <zul> Hobbsee: with a hammer or other blunt objects or even a pointy stick
[12:08] <Hobbsee> zul: didn't work
[12:09] <zul> Hobbsee: bigger hammer?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> yeah.  purged more
[12:09] <Hobbsee> kittens died.
[12:26] <ScottK> nxvl: Would you please merge your change in Bug #179790 with the debdiff in Bug #199487, give it a test, and let me know.  I'll sponsor it.
[12:30] <RainCT> hey
[12:30] <RainCT> awen_: no problem :)
[12:30] <RainCT> Hobbsee: break X?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> somoene was trying to fix it
[12:31] <Hobbsee> did my nick completion break?
[12:31] <RainCT> Hobbsee: guessed that :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> i think it was RAOF
[12:35] <Iulian> Hey
[12:36] <zul> dholbach: ping
[12:38] <ScottK2> pochu: Weren't you going to take care of getting spe updated?
[12:44] <speakman> hi, motu ;)
[12:45] <speakman> A new version of "most" is released since nov 2007 and now it finally support vt100 colors!
[12:45] <\sh> wtf is "most"?
[12:45] <speakman> Does ubuntu have any maintainer of that package, or does it come straight from Debian?
[12:45] <speakman> \sh: How about apt-cache show most ?
[12:45] <persia> speakman: Unfortunate timing.  We're nearly to BetaFreeze for hardy, although it sounds like a welcome improvement for intrepid.
[12:45] <\sh> speakman: just tell me what it is...
[12:46] <speakman> \sh: a pager. A great one. The best. :)
[12:46] <speakman> (try export PAGER=most and "man printf" e.g.)
[12:46] <\sh> speakman: you mean like "less" or "more"
[12:46] <speakman> env PAGER=most man printf
[12:46] <speakman> \sh: yes, but alot better
[12:47] <speakman> (why not make it default in ubuntu btw?)
[12:47] <persia> speakman: It's imported from Debian, although MOTU coordinates the state in Ubuntu, and so is the Maintainer in many senses.
[12:47] <speakman> persia: ok, thanks for explaining. Is it possible to make it in interpid?
[12:47] <speakman> sorry, hardy
[12:47] <\sh> speakman: well gnu less or more are mostly standards in unix derivatives != linux :)
[12:48] <speakman> \sh: give it a try. Install it, run "env PAGER=most man printf", an uninstall it if it wasn't as expected. ;)
[12:48] <persia> speakman: Yes, but with significant difficulty, and only if it is really important.  At this point, most developers are focused on bugfixing and making sure the distribution is in a state for release, so updates don't get very much attention.
[12:49] <speakman> persia: I see. One pretty big thing is that you can finally pipe bzr diff output (and as long as bzr doesn't color the diff it self, pipe it through "colordiff") through it!
[12:50] <speakman> else you're stuck with less (or even more, cant remember)
[12:50] <pochu> ScottK2: AFAIR Stani was going to release 0.8.4e so we can get rid of the symlinks and of our own setup.py. But I won't be able to upload it until next week anyway
[12:50] <pochu> ScottK2: I'm not even sure whether I could make it for beta, so if you can do it that'd be nice
[12:51] <persia> speakman: That sounds great, but I'm not sure it competes with the > 219 packages that currently cannot be installed for developer attention.
[12:51] <pochu> s/I could/I'll be able to/
[12:52] <speakman> persia: guess you're right... too bad I didn't see it earlier. Released nov 2007.
[12:52] <ScottK2> pochu: OK.
[12:52] <ScottK2> pochu: I thought it was d that did that?
[12:53] <persia> speakman: Yes, too bad indeed.  In December or January would have been a good time for the sync.  In any case, it ought be eligible for backports in May, so it won't be too long post-hardy to wait.
[12:53] <speakman> persia: actually, it isn't even in debian yet. Just msgd "mako" about it
[12:54] <speakman> ehm... is there any good tutorial (or gui) how to make my own deb package?
[12:54] <pochu> ScottK2: sorry, who did what?
[12:54] <persia> !packaging
[12:56] <speakman> !packaging
[12:56] <speakman> ?
[12:56] <broonie> Normally there's a bot that would have given you a canned answer to your question in response to that command.
[12:56] <persia> Err.  That should have provided a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[12:57] <persia> (not that it is especially good, but it's a place to start reading)
[12:58] <speakman> oh, thanks alot. I'll start there. :)
[12:58] <speakman> (and thanks for generally being polite and open-minded!)
[13:05] <ScottK2> pochu: I thought it was 0.8.4d that had the changes so the symlinks could be gotten rid of.
[13:07] <ScottK2> \sh: Did you see my response to your ffmpeg ping?
[13:07] <\sh> ScottK2: nope
[13:08]  * \sh is busy doing stress tests and gnuplotting :(
[13:09] <pochu> ScottK2: according to Stani's mail it's fixed upstream, and he said he will release it as 0.8.4e if everything worked fine
[13:11] <\sh> ScottK2: what was it? :)
[13:14] <ScottK2> \sh: I was asking what testing you'd done on this.
[13:14] <ScottK2> pochu: Would you please get in touch with him then.
[13:15] <\sh> ScottK2: build tests works...and functional: I used it here to move the metadata from several of our h.264 FLVs to the correct position to stream it via mod_flv_streaming/lighty
[13:15] <\sh> here == company :)
[13:16] <ScottK2> \sh: OK.  2nd question: If siretart likes it, how come he didn't upload it?
[13:16] <\sh> ScottK2: because he just got the bug report yesterday...and he is busy as I understood...
[13:16] <ScottK2> \sh: This is a part of the system I know little about, so I'm a bit nervous about uploading it.
[13:16] <siretart> ScottK2: sorry, I was terribly busy yesterday, I looked at the debdiff, it looks okay to me
[13:17] <ScottK2> siretart: Understand.
[13:17] <siretart> but I didn't testbuilt it yet. however I'm confident with that upload. (I assume we're talking about the missing tool, right?)
[13:18] <\sh> siretart: yepp
[13:19] <ScottK2> \sh and siretart: OK.  I'll test build and upload if it builds
[13:20] <\sh> ScottK2: thx a lolt
[13:20] <\sh> s/lolt/lot/
[13:24] <dholbach> zul: pong
[13:25] <zul> dholbach: rpm sponsor request why did that get thrown to me?
[13:25] <dholbach> zul: I had to pick somebody :)
[13:26] <zul> dholbach: gee thanks ;)
[13:32] <siretart> ScottK2: thanks!
[13:46] <ScottK2> \sh and siretart: Uploaded.
[13:46] <ScottK2> \sh: Next time please put the bug in the changelog (I added it).
[13:47] <pochu> ScottK2: he said he was going to be offline for a few days as he was going to be an uncle. He'll likely release it once he's back
[13:59] <\sh> ScottK2: thx...yeah I forgot that, damn...
[14:05] <bobbo> zul; ping
[14:06] <zul> bobbo: pong
[14:06] <bobbo> zul im the guy working on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rpm/+bug/73355
[14:06] <zul> bobbo: hello
[14:06] <bobbo> zul; should i bump the debian standards to 3.7.3 from 3.7.2?
[14:06] <zul> yes
[14:06] <bobbo> zul; thanks
[14:13] <hellboy195> \sh: may I disturb you again?
[14:13] <\sh> hellboy195: fire away...if I don't have time, you won't get an answer in time ;)
[14:15] <hellboy195> \sh: ^^. I'm doing the merge of electricsheep now. And the ubuntu changelog says: Merge debian/rules to keep our kscreensaver changes.
[14:15] <hellboy195>  . But if you look at the patch that DaD created ,.. Was that terrible documentated? Btw you are again the last uploader ^^
[14:15] <hellboy195> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612/
[14:15] <hellboy195> \sh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/electricsheep
[14:19] <bobbo> How do you get debdiff/debuild -S to include new files?
[14:19] <\sh> hellboy195: hmm..i don't use dad but mom...and then I'm normally comparing diff.gz ;)
[14:19] <smarter> hi
[14:20] <hellboy195> \sh: ^^ so DaD is f***** up?
[14:22] <\sh> hellboy195: well, what is the problem anyways?
[14:22] <smarter> could someone please look at kde4-style-bespin 0.1~svn080206-0ubuntu2?  http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin
[14:22] <hellboy195> \sh: if that are remaining changes or not ...
[14:22] <smarter> It only fixes a bug
[14:23] <smarter> in  the packaging
[14:23] <\sh> hellboy195: did debian upstream include the kscreensaver desktop file ?
[14:23] <hellboy195> \sh: no
[14:23] <\sh> hellboy195: then it's the remaining change :)
[14:24] <Adri2000> \sh: it seems to me that the problem is that there are 2 or 3 changes you didn't mention in the changelog
[14:24] <\sh> hellboy195: the gnome stuff was included in 2.6.8-7 and 2.6.8-7ubuntu1 readded the kscreensaver desktop bits
[14:25] <hellboy195> \sh: and what about the ectricsheep-2.6.8/debian/patches/05_multihead_support.dpatch
[14:26] <\sh> hellboy195: well, I just checked the last uploader ;)
[14:26] <hellboy195> \sh: rofl. that means?
[14:26] <\sh> hellboy195: the last uploader forget to mention this as well
[14:27] <hellboy195> \sh: ha!
[14:27] <hellboy195> \sh: thx ^^
[14:27] <\sh> hellboy195: well, he and I didn't drop it...
[14:27] <\sh> hellboy195: check dbts if the bug is reported for the multihead patch
[14:30] <hellboy195> \sh: it isn't. so I have to include it and report that back to debian folks :)
[14:32] <\sh> hellboy195: try to include that in a debian package (means create a sid package with the patch included and make a debdiff )
[14:33] <hellboy195> \sh: what's the difference?
[14:33] <\sh> hellboy195: the buildsystem :) try to build the resulting new debian package against a sid pbuilder/sbuild chroot and make it running :)
[14:35] <hellboy195> \sh: never did that before but ok ^^. and thx again
[14:35] <\sh> hellboy195: just create pbuilder for sid (it's the same way as for hardy but s/hardy/sid/ ;))
[14:36] <hellboy195> \sh: I know that but I mean when I reported changes back to debian I did it the normal way ;)
[14:37] <\sh> hellboy195: having a debdiff is sometimes better for the maintainer ;) he just needs to testbuild/test run it ... in no time ;)
[14:38] <hellboy195> \sh: submitodebian actually genereates a debdiff !?
[14:40] <\sh> hellboy195: dunno...I#m doing it manually
[14:40] <\sh> sometimes I don't trust automations ;)
[14:40] <\sh> bah...lighty 1.4.19 is out
[14:40] <\sh> and it looks worth an FFe
[14:40] <zul> bobbo: looks good
[14:41] <bobbo> zul; cool, thanks
[14:41] <hellboy195> \sh: ^^ I do it automatically but double check it :)  then hf with lighty ^^
[14:42] <hellboy195> dholbach: I still make stupid mistakes xD (nn merge) sry for that nonsense
[14:43] <zul> bobbo: uploaded
[14:43] <dholbach> hellboy195: no problem
[14:43] <bobbo> zul; thanks for reviwing/sponsoring
[14:50] <\sh> hmm..
[14:50] <\sh> I'm building lighty 1.4.19 it helps us a lot for hardy...
[14:55] <hellboy195> \sh: what about electricsheep.desktop
[14:55] <hellboy195> ??? My debdiff: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12606769/electricsheep_2.6.8-9ubuntu1.debdiff
[15:37] <bobbo> zul; the rpm update FTBFS
[15:37] <zul> bobbo: Ill take a look
[15:46] <\sh> ScottK2: I need your advise: do you think an update of lighttpd 1.4.19 is a bugfix or a new upstream (read for more info: http://www.lighttpd.net/2008/3/10/1-4-19-made-in-germany) :)
[15:47] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[15:49] <ScottK2> looking
[15:49] <\sh> ScottK2: for me it looks more like an bugfix release...
[15:51] <ScottK2> \sh: I'm not certain.  It looks like it's good to have.  If you think it's bugfix, I'm not going to argue it.
[15:52] <\sh> ScottK2: I didn't see any new features, TBH...it builds clean, I added all diffs between our actual hardy version to actual debian sid version...so for me, I would just upload but I already filed a bug report anyways :)
[15:54] <ScottK2> OK.  It's not clear to me if you have a change where they didn't support a required http feature and now they do if that's a bug or not.
[15:54] <ScottK2> But as I said, I won't argue it,
[15:55] <\sh> ScottK2: ok...let's got the FFe way :) I mean, I have everything in place..and it's only a matter of two people approving it :)
[15:58] <\sh> was it motu-release or ubuntu-release team...
[15:58] <\sh> ah motu-release ;)
[15:58] <\sh> ScottK2: bug #201439 if you want more input :)
[15:58] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 201439 in lighttpd "[FFe] lighttpd 1.4.19" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201439
[16:01] <ScottK2> \sh: I don't.  I'd say just upload it.
[16:02] <\sh> ScottK2: "In the Name of Castle Greyskull" I will ;)
[16:04] <\sh> done
[16:08] <rockstar_> After speaking with nealmcb last night, I'd like to become a motu.  Can someone describe the standard environment you work under to do tests and fixes?  Are you all running Hardy on a development system?
[16:09] <\sh> rockstar_: get familiar with pbuilder/sbuild environments...chroot debootstrap and things like that...
[16:09] <jdong> pbuilder is the standard build environment for most of us
[16:10] <jdong> and no, not all of us are running Hardy, though a good number of us do
[16:10] <jdong> running hardy is not a requirement
[16:10] <rockstar_> \sh, jdong thanks.  I'll dig in there.
[16:13] <nxvl> ScottK2: already merged the bugs you ask me to merge
[16:13] <nxvl> ScottK2: patch is on Bug #179790
[16:13] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 179790 in tinyerp-server "postgresql listens on :5432" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179790
[16:16]  * cody-somerville now has 50 uploads :)
[16:20] <ScottK> nxvl: OK.  Thanks.
[16:21] <nxvl> ScottK: also i ask for your feedback on a blueprint
[16:21] <nxvl> ScottK: did you notice it?
[16:21] <mathiaz> dholbach: can you add me to the ubuntu-*-sponsors teams ?
[16:21] <ScottK> nxvl: No.  I didn't notice it.
[16:22] <nxvl> ScottK: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-centralized-services-administrator
[16:24] <dholbach> mathiaz: done
[16:24] <mathiaz> dholbach: thanks
[16:26] <ScottK> nxvl: Interesting idea, but if we have ebox, how interested are people going to be?
[16:28] <nxvl> ScottK: as i said on the wiki, ebox is web based, so it *CAN* be a security issue at some point keeping in mind that is "remote" aplication
[16:28] <ScottK> nxvl: I agree and this would be useful that you don't want a web server running on.
[16:29] <ScottK> nxvl: I'm just not sure how big a share of servers that is.
[16:29] <nxvl> ScottK: also i have the big idea to write a framework for developing curses and gtk modules for it, so it cas be used in the future for full administration of the system, in server and desktop
[16:29] <ScottK> Why gtk?
[16:30] <nxvl> for desktop and home servers
[16:30] <nxvl> for ibex i want it only to be focused on gtk
[16:30] <nxvl> err
[16:30] <nxvl> on curses
[16:30] <nxvl> for ibex+1 maybe add gtk support
[16:30] <nxvl> for home servers and to be able to use it on desktop and home servers
[16:31] <nxvl> i want it to be writing using layers, so the UI is completely separeted from the backend
[16:31] <nxvl> so it can be used for adding a gtk support, but that would be for ibex+1
[16:31] <\sh> nxvl: make it independed...write a backend with all functionality...and prepare frontend calls for having multiple frontends (gtk, qt, curses, web, WHU)
[16:32] <nxvl> i don't think i have the time to have it ready for ibex if i also want it to be gtk
[16:32] <nxvl> \sh: thats what i mean when talking about layers
[16:33] <nxvl> ScottK: also we need to discuss it more widely on UDS, but i don't want to go there with empty hands
[16:34] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:35] <zul> *cough* func - https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/func/ *cough*
[16:35] <nxvl> that's why as for your feedback, i know you, and you are a retailer person, so your opinion is really important for me
[16:36] <nxvl> zul: 404
[16:36] <nxvl> :P
[16:36] <nxvl> oh! it was a certificate warning :P
[16:36] <nxvl> zul: but it's only for network, not for services
[16:37] <zul> nxvl: extend it then why invent the wheel?
[16:37] <nxvl> zul: because i want it to be modular
[16:37] <\sh> nxvl: it's named "MVC" (Model View Controller) ;)) It inherits different design patterns :)
[16:37] <nxvl> also if i based it on other applications, my idea is more like YaST, but a working one
[16:38] <nxvl> \sh: yep, here it's called "por capas" which is literaly transtaled as "by layers"
[16:40] <\sh> nxvl: I just read a cool book about design patterns...most of the stuff was already known and I am/was using those patterns already...but the naming is quite interesting (just because you use the same "language pattern" with other fellow developers) :)
[16:41] <\sh> now I just need to get the design pattern books from the GoF (Gang Of Four) ;)
[16:41] <nxvl> \sh: can you point me at it please?
[16:42] <\sh> nxvl: to have a really cool reading about this dry stuff, use http://www.amazon.com/Head-First-Design-Patterns/dp/0596007124/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205340103&sr=8-2
[16:42] <\sh> nxvl: forget about the java parts inside...it's worth a reading
[16:43] <nxvl> \sh: thnx
[16:46] <\sh> nxvl: I bought the "Heads First Java" and the "Heads First Design Patterns" and now I know Java and all those nifty coolish naming schemes for standard stuff ;)
[16:47] <\sh> nxvl: and it's really cool...not the usual content about rewriting the documentation parts...new idea of learning things very fast...
[16:51] <\sh> hey highvoltage
[16:51] <highvoltage> hey \sh!
[16:53] <\sh> what was the meaning of "NBS" again?
[16:53]  * \sh needs an abbrev translator...
[16:53] <jdong> \sh: not built source, I think?
[16:53] <highvoltage> heh, that's what I guessed too, but it sounds wrong
[16:57] <highvoltage> ubotu: NBS?
[16:57] <smarter> "[17:53] * \sh needs an abbrev translator..." sudo aptitude install bsdgames && wtf wtf
[16:57] <\sh> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NBS :)
[16:58] <highvoltage> ah :)
[16:58] <\sh> ok...time to go home :)
[16:58] <\sh> for ibex I have already 3 new packages on my list...
[16:58] <\sh> grmpf
[16:58] <\sh> ok...cu later
[17:01] <jussi01> jst a quick confirmation, Ive uploaded a debdiff to a bug, then subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors, anything else I need to do?
[17:02] <Adri2000> no
[17:07] <jussi01> Adri2000: thank you, I assume that was aimed at me?
[17:07] <Adri2000> yes :)
[17:08] <neh> any chance of xmonadcontrib 0.6 getting in to hardy? I see xmonad is in, but all the best stuff about xmonad is in contrib. If there's something I can work on to help get it in, just point me in the right direction...
[17:17] <ScottK> neh: The freeze for new packages for Hardy was a month ago.
[17:19] <neh> ScottK: xmonad .6 went in 2 days ago...
[17:20] <sistpoty|work> neh: that was a dependency of the ghc6 transition iirc
[17:22] <ScottK> neh: There are freeze exceptions for good reasons.
[17:23] <neh> ok, so no xmonadcontrib. I wouldn't know for sure if I didn't ask, would I? :-)
[17:24] <ScottK> Right
[17:24] <ScottK> If you can and are sufficiently motivated, see the Universe section of wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[17:30] <neh> fwiw, the package is in debian sid: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/xmonad-contrib
[17:32] <Laney> neh: But quickly! BetaFreeze is tomorrow
[17:35]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> cya
[17:36] <jdstrand> hi emgent
[17:36] <emgent> hi jdstrand :)
[17:36] <jdstrand> I uploaded the vlc update
[17:37] <jdstrand> the patches were good, however there were a couple of things with the debdiff (that I just fixed)
[17:37] <emgent> thanks
[17:37] <jdstrand> when referencing a CVE, it is preferred that you use mitre rather than nist
[17:38] <Amaranth> why is that?
[17:38] <jdstrand> while not a strict debian policy issue, common practice dictates that the line width for the data portion of the changelog not exceed 80 characters
[17:38] <jdstrand> Amaranth: convention more than anything else (perhaps bec nist is US based?)
[17:39] <jdstrand> emgent: also, the 'gutsy' debdiff didn't have the -security tag
[17:39] <emgent> uhm ok thanks
[17:40] <jdstrand> emgent: nothing showstopping, just little things
[17:40] <neh> So, if I file a bug to request syncing xmonad-contrib from debian, is sid the appropriate source?
[17:41] <emgent> jdstrand, :)
[17:42] <james_w> neh: yes, though it will happen automatically for hardy+1.
[17:42] <neh> james_w: right, but I'm hoping to get it for hardy...
[17:50] <rockstar_> I've been looking through the bugs, triaging and finding dupes.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/43423  This bug seems to be fixed.  Is there a reason why it hasn't been closed?
[17:50] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 43423 in subversion "svn over https not working any longer" [Critical,Confirmed]
[17:53] <afflux> rockstar_: I think you can mark this as fix released. Note that bug triaging is rather in #ubuntu-bugs ;)
[17:54] <rockstar_> afflux, awesome, thanks.  I'm kinda new to helping out.
[17:54] <afflux> rockstar_: you're welcome :)
[17:54] <neh> I don't know if it has a chance for hardy, but there it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201494
[17:54] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 201494 in ubuntu "Please sync xmonad-contrib (0.6-4) from debian unstable" [Undecided,New]
[17:54] <allee> torkel, siretart: how was the aufs experiment going?
[17:55] <Laney> neh: I think you need to subscribe motu-release
[17:56] <Laney> neh: Please do bug people into at least taking a look ;)
[17:56] <neh> Laney: thanks, done
[17:57] <Laney> I'm quite interested in having a go with xmonad - wish I had the power to influence any decision :<
[17:58] <neh> Laney: it's quite nice once you get used to a haskell config file.
[17:59] <Laney> Yeah, I'm a Haskeller myself. Hence the interest :)
[17:59] <neh> ah, I'm not, but I like it anyway
[18:00] <torkel> allee: I had better success with removing resolv.conf, mtab and syslog.conf from the nfsroot
[18:00] <allee> torkel: okay, thx
[18:02] <torkel> allee: I will try aufs again when I have some more time, but that will propably not happen the next couple of weeks (unless I'm getting very bored preparing the setup for our new clusters)
[18:04] <Khajavi> I want to package my php software
[18:04] <Khajavi> how to?
[18:04] <Laney> !packaging
[18:04] <ubotwo> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[18:05] <Khajavi> thanks alot
[18:05] <Khajavi> :-[
[18:07] <Khajavi> another question? what is the different between code.launchpad and sourceforge?
[18:08] <hexmode> Khajavi: different services
[18:08] <Khajavi> which is better?
[18:08] <hexmode> launchpad, of course
[18:08] <Khajavi> can you say why?
[18:08] <hexmode> seriously, what do you want to know?
[18:09] <hexmode> sf is filled with ads
[18:09] <highvoltage> well, at least code.launchpad.net don't have any ads.
[18:09] <Khajavi> I want package my php then introduce it to my freinds
[18:09] <highvoltage> hexmode: snap :)
[18:09]  * hexmode high fives highvoltage
[18:09] <highvoltage> hexmode: ^5
[18:10] <Khajavi> is it possible that my package go to ubuntu repository?
[18:10] <hexmode> Khajavi: if you put your pkg in a ppa
[18:10] <hexmode> your friends can point to your ppa and upgrade automagically
[18:10] <highvoltage> or you can have it sponsored by a MOTU if you want it to go into Universe.
[18:11] <Khajavi> uhhoom
[18:11] <hexmode> and, of course, you can do that on launchpad and not sf
[18:11] <RainCT> Khajavi: some differences: Launchpad has no ads, project registations need no approval, LP hosts Bazaar branches (SF CVS and SVN) and anyone can create as much of those as he wants in any project, bugs can be linked to external bug trackers and the BTS in general is more usable, etc.
[18:11] <RainCT> Khajavi: if you want more details better ask in #launchpad, this channel is for packaging
[18:12] <Khajavi> thnak RainCT
[18:12] <Khajavi> tutorial to be an MOTU?
[18:12] <Khajavi> how can I be MOTU?
[18:14] <Iulian> Khajavi: See /topic
[18:14] <Khajavi> yes I find it:-D
[18:28] <Laney> neh: I'm doing a test build of xmonad-contrib to add to the bug report. Hopefully that will give it some weight.
[18:38] <tsmithe> slomo, ping (re mscore)
[18:39] <slomo> tsmithe: sorry, busy atm... write me a mail please ;)
[18:39] <tsmithe> kk
[18:39] <tsmithe> slomo at debian dot org?
[18:39] <RainCT> what does beta freeze mean? :P
[18:39] <slomo> tsmithe: for example, yes
[18:40] <tsmithe> righty
[18:40] <RainCT> it's only for main/restricted, or?
[18:42] <lesshaste> hi
[18:45] <neh> Laney: great, thank you
[18:49] <Laney> Bah, pbuilder needs the --logfile option before the .dsc path
[18:49]  * Laney turns over a table
[19:01] <Laney> neh: Done.
[19:01] <Laney> neh: Now you just need to poke the right people ;)
[19:03] <ScottK> superm1: You're mythtv-plugins backport depwaits on several archs due to lack of fftw-dev.  Would you please look into it.
[19:03] <ScottK> Laney: Or wait your turn because people get annoyed with excessive poking.
[19:03] <candrews> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/199754 That package has been completed, builds, and works on Ubuntu. How does it get included in the repository?
[19:03] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 199754 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] mod_auth_cas" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[19:03] <neh> Laney: I have no idea who to poke for this... and I don't want to piss anyone off
[19:04] <neh> (like ScottK just said...)
[19:04] <Laney> neh, ScottK: OK sorry.
[19:04] <Laney> I thought there was a pokage system in effect, my bad.
[19:04] <ScottK> candrews: New package freeze for Hardy was a month ago.  You come back in mid-May and work on getting your package into Debian in the mean time.
[19:05] <candrews> ouch - I guess I missed that by a while :-)
[19:05] <candrews> Does the package need to be in Debian to get into Ubuntu?
[19:05] <ogra_cmpc> no, but it helps :)
[19:06] <candrews> Cool - do you know who I talk to in Debian land? (IRC channel, web site, etc) I already filed a bug with them, but I do not know what to do next.
[19:06] <ScottK> candrews: No, but if you get it into Debian the it is automatically imported into Ubuntu.
[19:06] <ScottK> candrews: #debian-mentors on OFTC.
[19:06] <ogra_cmpc> we release in 6 weeks or so ... if you get it into debian during that time we'll sync it with the frist sync for the next release
[19:08] <candrews> thank you - I'll work on that, and hopefully the rest will be automatic.
[19:14] <promag> hello hello
[19:15] <promag> my package installs some php scripts, but after install they belong to root:root
[19:15] <mok0> promag: yes, that's right
[19:15] <promag> how to change to www-data:www-data ?
[19:16] <promag> well I know chmod :P
[19:16] <promag> but is there a right way?
[19:16] <mok0> promag: why do you want to do that?
[19:16] <geser> promag: chown?
[19:17] <promag> ops yes chown
[19:17] <promag> because, for instance, those php scripts will need to have write access to a cache directory
[19:17] <promag> and that cache directory is a sibling of those php scripts
[19:19] <mok0> promag: you may need to do it in a postinst script
[19:19] <promag> using chown?
[19:19] <mok0> dpkg-statoverride
[19:20] <promag> ok ty
[19:20] <promag> and to install a apache site?
[19:20] <promag> a2ensite?
[19:21] <slangasek> scripts should not be owned by www-data
[19:21] <slangasek> if you need to do that, you're doing it wrong
[19:21] <slangasek> having scripts owned by www-data means that the webserver process can overwrite them
[19:22] <slangasek> --> security hole
[19:22] <promag> it's better to have the cache dir with mode g+rw and be owned by root:www-data ?
[19:23] <slangasek> what do the cache dir permissions have to do with the permissions on the scripts?
[19:23] <promag> slangasek: nothing really
[19:23] <promag> :)
[19:24] <slangasek> then you can have a cache dir that's www-data:www-data, that's fine; but don't chown the scripts themselves
[19:24] <slangasek> and a simple chown is appropriate - dpkg-statoverride would be exceptional
[19:49] <DaveMorris> DktrKranz2: you been able to try out the code I supplied?
[19:50] <hellboy195> DAMN
[19:50] <hellboy195> A motu arround? I subscribed a FFe to u-u-s instead of motu-release. anyone willing to change it :)
[19:52] <pochu> link?
[19:53] <hellboy195> pochu: thx :) bug #201529
[19:53] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 201529 in supertuxkart "[FFe] Please sync supertuxkart 0.4-1 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201529
[19:53] <hellboy195> And please grant the FFe ^^
[19:54] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: buona sera
[19:54] <pochu> grant?
[19:54] <DktrKranz> hey hellboy195
[19:54] <DaveMorris> DktrKranz you been able to try out the code I supplied?
[19:54] <hellboy195> pochu: yes?
[19:54] <pochu> hellboy195: what do you mean?
[19:54] <DktrKranz> DaveMorris, not yet. Just back home and finish sid upgrade
[19:55] <hellboy195> pochu: to ACK my FFe request
[19:55] <pochu> hellboy195: I'm not in motu-release, so I can't
[19:55] <DaveMorris> np, I wasn't sure what timezone you where in
[19:55] <hellboy195> pochu: yeah. it was more in generel :)
[19:55] <pochu> ah, ok :)
[19:56] <pochu> unsubscribed
[19:56] <DktrKranz> DaveMorris, Europe/Rome
[19:56] <hellboy195> pochu: thank you :)
[19:56]  * DaveMorris was in Rome the other week for work.  Lovely city, but beer was expensive
[19:57] <DktrKranz> DaveMorris, heh. Everything is quite expensive in Italy, not just beer
[19:57] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: especially in Venezia xD
[19:57] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, Venice, Florence, Milan, Rome. You name it!
[19:58] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: sure. tourists = money
[19:59] <DktrKranz> Citizens = taxes
[19:59] <hellboy195> hmm
[19:59] <hellboy195> ^^
[20:17] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, news for beagle?
[20:18] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: Yesterday I ask Matvey, did you notice?
[20:18] <DktrKranz> mh... no
[20:18] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: He just forgot about it -.- ^^
[20:18] <DktrKranz> :D
[20:20] <hellboy195> slomo: around?
[20:21] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: are you so keen to do it or just looking for work :P
[20:22] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, if nobody is on it, I think I can have a look
[20:23] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: also nobody is on my other merges ^^. No, I have to sort out who is willing to do it/plans to do it
[20:23] <DktrKranz> I didn't follow in these days. Is beta freeze affecting universe uploads too?
[20:24] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: persia told me only to do "usefull" merges after beta freeze
[20:24] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: useful means extremly bug killing merges
[20:24] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: so I suppose less work with approving merges
[20:25] <DktrKranz> yes
[20:26] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: does it make sense to talk about the sponsoring queue on friday though we are in FF/BetaFreeze? A lot will forget ^^
[20:26] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, it does. Some bugs could be useful for release
[20:27] <DktrKranz> and I'd like everyone has a chance to get into hardy in time
[20:27] <hellboy195> hardy is nearly over ^^ but I know what you mean
[20:28] <DktrKranz> hardy is almost done, now it's time to fix everything we can
[20:29] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: but I can tell you. I'm keen on merging new hot stuff for ibrex ^^
[20:29] <DktrKranz> u-u-s queue ships bugs almost done, so they really deserve to be reviewed
[20:33] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: I'm already excited. A new adventure for me. Bugfixing :)
[20:38] <hellboy195> \sh: hoi :) looked at my debdiff?
[20:44] <\sh> hellboy195: sorry no...I'm busy with private stuff
[20:44] <hellboy195> \sh: np. I'm just wondering why we added a .desktop for Gnomescreensaver
[20:45] <\sh> hellboy195: it's a helper
[20:45] <\sh> hellboy195: a replacement for gnome-screensaver actually...
[20:46] <hellboy195> \sh: not mentioned in the Changelog ,...
[20:46] <\sh> hellboy195: of course it is...
[20:46] <\sh>   * Fix typo in debian/rules to really install gnome-screensaver
[20:46] <\sh>     .desktop file into the screensavers directory (LP: #131748, and others)
[20:47] <\sh> in 2.6.8-6ubuntu2 ... as I said this afternoon ... it was forgotten to take it up to the actual version
[20:47] <\sh> hellboy195: it was introduced in gutsy
[20:47] <hellboy195> \sh: I don't say something bad about the last uploader ^^
[20:48] <nxvl> ScottK: isn't Bug #15485 a kmail bug?
[20:48] <\sh> hellboy195: actually mario forgot to mention it in 2.6.8-7ubuntu1 and I was trusting him....nothing more nothing less...no big deal :)
[20:49] <hellboy195> \sh: but especially for new contributor it's hard because the motu who approves the merges always complains about your incomplete changelog entry ^^
[20:52] <\sh> hellboy195: just mention the forgotten changes (write: last uploaders forgot to mention those changes..please be careful next time, kthx) :)
[20:52] <\sh> hellboy195: and yes, those things are happening and we all are glad that other motus are catching those things
[20:53] <hellboy195> \sh: or the contributors ^^
[20:53] <hellboy195> like me
[20:53] <hellboy195> xD
[20:53] <\sh> hellboy195: yes motus :)
[20:53] <\sh> hellboy195: I'll count you already in...
[20:54] <hellboy195> \sh: ehm. nice but that's really to early. I only did ~60 merges/syncs ..
[20:54] <\sh> hellboy195: that's good :) time to apply
[20:55] <hellboy195> \sh: you make me laugh :)
[20:55] <\sh> did I mention, that wmii is wonderful when working mostly on the console? :)
[20:55] <\sh> hellboy195: that was serious
[20:56] <hellboy195> \sh: ähm. I *still* make mistakes and I want to gain experience in other parts of the motu work before I apply ;) (As I said, *only* merges/syncs so far)
[20:56] <cody-somerville> :)
[20:56] <\sh> hellboy195: we all make mistakes..which is good...it makes us more human :)
[20:58] <hellboy195> \sh: yeah but I want to be a motu but I'm not feeling like one. Give me some more months :)
[21:00] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, nobody is perfect, and nobody knows everything. just ask when unsure
[21:00] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: yeah. But I still make partially newbie mistakes and I want to reduce that ;)
[21:01] <hellboy195> \sh: but I'll apply for membership in ~ubuntumembers. you can vote for me :)
[21:01] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, you'll have some time to improve
[21:02] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: yeah I already said. Some more moths before I apply :)
[21:02] <DktrKranz> good work, then
[21:02] <hellboy195> xD
[21:02] <DktrKranz> my caps lock is broken...
[21:02] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: any news about fail2ban?
[21:03] <DktrKranz> didn't look properly
[21:03] <DktrKranz> i'm focused on u-u-s
[21:04] <hellboy195> k
[21:14] <ScottK2> hellboy195: If you've only done merges/syncs so far, then you should find some bugs to fix.
[21:15] <hellboy195> ScottK: That's my plan ;)
[21:15] <ScottK2> Great.
[21:15] <ScottK2> hellboy195: What kind of packages are you interested in?
[21:16] <hellboy195> ScottK: hmm. can you give examples?
[21:18] <hellboy195> wb DktrKranz ^^
[21:18] <ScottK2> hellboy195: Do you use Ubuntu/Kubuntu?  Interested in server?
[21:18] <DktrKranz> that capslock was killing me
[21:18] <hellboy195> ScottK: Ubuntu :)
[21:19] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: bad capslock ^^
[21:19]  * ScottK2 won't be much help then.
[21:19] <hellboy195> ScottK: kubuntu/server expert?
[21:19] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: being a motu before Andrea returns would be somehow funny xD
[21:22] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, funny, but not improbable
[21:24] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: he will be absent soo long? :(
[21:24] <DktrKranz> or you won't take so long, your choice :P
[21:25] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: hrhr ^^. The only thing which is limitating me is school. last 3 moths, last year ,..
[21:27] <DktrKranz> hellboy195, scholl first!
[21:27] <DktrKranz> *school
[21:28] <hellboy195> then I have to change something now ^^
[21:29] <hellboy195> brb
[21:30] <RainCT> argh.. damn epiphany package
[21:30] <RainCT> always install the wrong one :P
[21:30] <RAOF> epiphany-_browser_ :)
[21:31] <Fujitsu> Has anybody ever wanted epiphany, not epiphany-browser?
[21:32] <RAOF> What _is_ epiphany, anyway?
[21:32] <Fujitsu> Some game, IIRC.
[21:32] <Fujitsu> Ah, maintained by joerg.
[21:34] <ScottK2> hellboy195: There's plenty of good work available in Bug #199014.
[21:37] <RainCT> yeh, some game.. if at least it was a good game :P
[21:39] <hellboy195> ScottK: yeah. I see. great :) btw.  I hope I can count on you when I apply for membership in ~ubuntumembers
[21:40] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: And I promise you *if* I'm a motu one day. I'll join u-u-s . I know that it's really important :)
[21:41] <DktrKranz> \o/
[21:42] <RainCT> awen_: neither lintian nor linda are happy with your package
[21:42] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: and to make you happy ^^
[21:42] <hellboy195> ScottK: just can I take/assign one to me if I want?
[21:43] <ScottK2> hellboy195: As long as it's not assigned to someone else.
[21:43] <awen_> RainCT: they are happy when i run them on the .changes file?
[21:43] <hellboy195> ScottK: that's clear ^^
[21:43] <KasimirGabert> I've been having troubles getting REVU to work for nearly a month now! (well, a month ago, and then today and yesterday still)
[21:43] <KasimirGabert> would somebody be able to help me?
[21:43] <KasimirGabert> just a few quick pointers?
[21:43] <KasimirGabert> my question is basically
[21:43] <RainCT> awen_: They can do two sorts of reviews, on the source and on the binary; the source is clean, but the .deb no. I'm posting their complains in REVU; most of the errors should go away adding a call to dh_strip.
[21:43] <KasimirGabert> it says it is uploaded
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> but nothing happens
[21:44] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: have you joined the universe package contributors team?
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> yes
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> let me double check
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> :)
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> and thanks!!!
[21:44] <KasimirGabert> :)
[21:45] <KasimirGabert>                 Your involvement                                                                     You are a member of this team.
[21:45] <KasimirGabert> so I should be
[21:45] <awen_> RainCT: okay, actually makes sense, that you can do that too... i'll look at it, and thanks
[21:46] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: Do you have your PGP key on Launchpad, and have you used the same one to sign the package(s) you uploaded?
[21:46] <KasimirGabert> yes
[21:46] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: uhm.. what package was it?
[21:46] <KasimirGabert> xboardloader
[21:46] <KasimirGabert> at least I believe it is the same key
[21:47] <KasimirGabert> I don't see why it would be otherwise
[21:47] <KasimirGabert> I do have another PGP key
[21:47] <KasimirGabert> but it is associated with my GMail account
[21:47] <KasimirGabert> and not with the account I use to sign my packages
[21:48] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: the package is there
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> hm...
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> okay
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> maybe I'm going crazy
[21:48] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: xboardloader_0.1.4-1ubuntu1.dsc, xboardloader_0.1.4-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, xboardloader_0.1.4.orig.tar.gz
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> :)
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> hm...
[21:48] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: and also xboardloader_0.1.3-1.tar.gz, xboardloader_0.1.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, xboardloader_0.1.3-1ubuntu1.dsc
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> it doesn't seem to be at http://revu.tauware.de/index.py
[21:48] <KasimirGabert> and I don't seem to have an account..
[21:49] <RainCT> there are some other xboardloader uploads marked as rejected though
[21:49] <KasimirGabert> No REVU account for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>exists yet.
[21:49] <KasimirGabert> recent ones?
[21:49] <KasimirGabert> why would they be rejected?
[21:49] <KasimirGabert> bad quality of package?
[21:49] <KasimirGabert> sorry about this, and thank you a lot
[21:50] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: Feb 20, Feb 21 and Mar 12
[21:50] <KasimirGabert> hm...
[21:50] <KasimirGabert> do you know why they aren't showing up at revu.tauware.de ?
[21:51] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: aren't they neither on http://revu.tauware.de/index.py?archived=true?
[21:51] <KasimirGabert> nope
[21:51] <RainCT> (sorry my connection is damn slow right now.. actually it's quite often damn slow :()
[21:51] <KasimirGabert> ah
[21:51] <KasimirGabert> I'm sorry
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> I'll be happy when residential Internet speeds in the US are like in Japan :)
[21:52] <RainCT> ok I see.. all files were rejected (don't really understand REVU yet :))
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> hm...
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> okay
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> what does that mean?
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> or... what am I doing horribly wrong?
[21:52] <KasimirGabert> I tried to follow the directions...
[21:53] <RainCT> but I don't know why.. (there are errors in the changelogs, but I don't think that those would cause a reject)
[21:53] <RainCT> siretart: are you around?
[21:53] <RainCT> awen_: (forgot to say that I've already posted the comment)
[21:54] <KasimirGabert> hm... I have multiple email addresses on Launchpad
[21:54] <KasimirGabert> does that have anything to do with it?
[21:54] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: I don't think so, a lot of us have many e-mails there
[21:54] <KasimirGabert> hm...
[21:55] <KasimirGabert> and I have been part of the group for a long time
[21:55] <KasimirGabert> well, since I first tried this
[21:55] <RainCT> awen_: beside dh_strip, "architecture: any" was already right (it was any the last time I looked at it, or?), and there's a manpage missing
[21:56] <awen_> RainCT: i kind of got convinced into arch all ... but yes it should be changed back to any
[21:57] <KasimirGabert> RainCT: could it be because I uploaded them back when my default email was something else that they are all being rejected?
[21:57] <awen_> do we have some good info about making a man-page (remember something with "po" or something like that) but couldn't find info
[21:58] <RainCT> awen_: heh sorry for the confusion :)
[21:58] <RainCT> awen_: there's some info on using POD or docbook on the wiki
[21:58] <RainCT> awen_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles
[21:59] <awen_> RainCT: no worries... combining python and c does confuse :)
[21:59] <awen_> RainCT: thanks! ... i'll have a look
[21:59] <RainCT> awen_: or just look at some other man page.. there are many groff (the native format in which manpages are written) manpages in ubuntu-dev-tools for example
[22:00] <ScottK2> awen_: Grab one that looks good.  Make your changes to make it for your package.  Edit until lintian is quiet (don't forget -I)
[22:00]  * RainCT goes to eat something
[22:00] <awen_> RainCT: okay, that's another option. thanks... but point one should be to find out, what that binary actually do :)
[22:01] <RainCT> awen_: heh, yes, that can be the most difficult thing (or the easiest) :)
[22:01] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: sorry that I couldn't be of more help.. let's see if siretart comes around, he will probably know better
[22:01] <RainCT> s/more/much
[22:01] <KasimirGabert> okay
[22:01] <KasimirGabert> thanks
[22:01] <KasimirGabert> :)
[22:11] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: I think I'll wait until friday night/saturday morning and then assign beagle to you :)
[22:11] <DktrKranz> not sure if I'll be able to upload it during beta freeze
[22:12] <ScottK2> DktrKranz: Since it's in universe you'll be able to upload, it'll just have to be manually published.
[22:13] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: ah np. just in generel becaues I know that you won't forget it. at least because we nearly talk to each other every day :)
[22:14] <hellboy195> ScottK: btw, what's the official replacement for python-xml ?
[22:15] <RainCT> hellboy195: python (>= 2.4)
[22:15] <DktrKranz> ScottK2, are there particular restrictions or standard guidelines apply?
[22:15] <DktrKranz> (e.g. asking release-managers before pushing)
[22:16] <hellboy195> RainCT: cool, thx :)
[22:16] <RainCT> ScottK2: what does the beta freeze mean (for MOTUs)? on the wiki it only mentions main/restricted
[22:21] <RainCT> KasimirGabert: if you tell me your email I'll check if you're in REVU's db
[22:24] <ScottK2> RainCT: Not much.  Just the publisher is on manual, so stuff doesn't get uploaded right away.  slangasek said he'd clarify all that when he announced the actual freeze
[22:25] <DktrKranz> good!
[22:25] <RainCT> ScottK2: ok, thanks
[22:29] <hellboy195> RainCT: want merges? ^^
[22:29]  * DktrKranz hides
[22:30] <hellboy195> DktrKranz: ^^. You've done a lot in the past ;)
[22:30] <DktrKranz> now it's other MOTU's turn? :)
[22:31] <hellboy195> I want to give you a break :)
[22:31] <hellboy195> besides that it's faster than I'm waiting for a sponsor from u-u-s ^^
[22:37] <hellboy195> hm merges aren't that important. I want to see my FFe go through ^^
[22:38] <hellboy195> off for today. gn8 folks :)
[22:39] <DktrKranz> mh... debian's devscripts has'nt Launchpad-fixed-bugs tag...
[22:42] <KasimirGabert> siretart: would you be able to help me with a REVU issue?
[23:28] <bddebian> Heya gang
[23:29] <ScottK2> Heya
[23:29] <bddebian> Hi Scott
[23:30] <slangasek> moin
[23:30] <bddebian> Heya slangasek
[23:31] <awen_> RainCT: changed it back to arch: any, and added a man-page > http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=uniconvertor ... thanks again
[23:38] <doko> ScottK: online?
[23:39] <ScottK2> yes
[23:39] <ScottK2> doko: What's up?
[23:39] <doko> do you have time to waste?
[23:40] <ScottK2> Not particularly.  If you have something that needs doing, I can see about it.  Herding the python-xml removal is still taking a bit of time.
[23:40] <RainCT> awen_: no problem :)
[23:40] <RainCT> good night all
[23:40] <Hobbsee> what is it with people who file uvfe's right before freezes?  :)
[23:41] <doko> yep, the python-xml removal would be nice as well
[23:41] <doko> here is the idea:
[23:41] <awen_> yes... good night everyone
[23:41] <doko> the Contents files are regenerated: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/
[23:42] <Hobbsee> and sync requests.  for new packages.
[23:42] <doko> now determine every package which has files in /usr/share/pycentral/ ... and rebuld it
[23:42] <slangasek> doko: heh, twitch
[23:43] <doko> sladen: ?
[23:43] <slangasek> doko: /me misses binNMUs :)
[23:43] <doko> slangasek: heh, you appear as sladen first ...
[23:44] <doko> yeah, I probaly can't do that before Monday, or is universe still unfrozen?
[23:44] <ScottK2> doko: I'm fairly certain I don't have time for a project like that.
[23:44] <doko> np
[23:44] <ScottK2> However, I'm pretty sure we can find someone.
[23:45] <doko> ScottK2: would you have time to mentor this person?
[23:45] <ScottK2> doko: Yes.
[23:45] <doko> cool!
[23:45] <ScottK2> I've got someone in mind too.
[23:45] <ScottK2> It's a bit late for them right now, but I'll try and catch then tomorrow.
[23:46] <ScottK2> Wait a minute
[23:46] <doko> slangasek: already done for main ...
[23:47] <KasimirGabert> would any of you guys have a few seconds to look through and see why all of my uploads to REVU are being rejected? I'm trying to get started with Ubuntu... and not able to upload for some reason :P
[23:47] <ScottK2> doko: Does it need to look for the files or can it look for build-dep on python-central?
[23:47] <ScottK2> KasimirGabert: You do realize we aren't at the part of the development cycle where we take new packages, right?
[23:47] <doko> ScottK2: you'll get some false positives when just looking for d. on p-c
[23:48] <KasimirGabert> ScottK2: I do understand that, I just feel that I might as well figure out how to upload stuff
[23:48] <ScottK2> KasimirGabert: OK
[23:48] <KasimirGabert> I'm not asking for it to be looked over right now.. :)
[23:48] <doko> but that shouldn't harm
[23:48] <KasimirGabert> the package is xboardloader ... and it seems to have been denied numerous times
[23:48] <KasimirGabert> but I have no idea why
[23:49] <ScottK2> doko: That'll be easier than I was thinking at first.  Maybe I can.
[23:49] <ScottK2> KasimirGabert: Try during the European day/evening and look for sistpoty.
[23:49] <KasimirGabert> okay, thanks
[23:49] <KasimirGabert> :)
[23:49] <doko> ScottK2: grep ^usr/share/pycentral/ Contents-i386 | awk '{print $2}' |grep 'universe' | awk -F/ '{print $3}'| sort -u > pycentral.universe
[23:50] <protonchris> slangasek: thanks for looking at bug 200292.  I'll see if I can get the upload sponsored tonight.
[23:50] <ScottK2> doko: THanks
[23:51] <slangasek> protonchris: no problem


[08:26] <seb128> goood morning IRC
[10:43] <lissyx> hello
[10:44] <lissyx> seb128, is there anything I can help with on https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/pull/172 ? I'm wondering how this filtering out could be done, but I'd be happy experimenting and sending a PR
[10:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Pull 172 in ubuntu/gnome-sdk "Add some packages to allow the use of GNOME SDK Snap as a sysroot for cross-compilation" [Open]
[11:01] <seb128> lissyx, the filtering out is trivial, I think that's just adding '-' lines to https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/blob/gnome-42-2204/snapcraft.yaml#L35
[11:01] <seb128> those are the files from the sdk to exclude from the staging
[11:02] <seb128> I don't think you can do much to unblock, let me nag Sergio and ping kenvandine also for context
[11:21] <lissyx> seb128, well that already helps me, I could prepare a patch against this different branch
[11:21] <lissyx> basically means I need to list content of libc6 and - it then
[11:23] <lissyx> (libgcc_s1 as well I think)
[11:27] <seb128> lissyx, yes
[11:38] <lissyx> seb128, thx, it's done
[11:39] <lissyx> not sure if there's a best way than hardcoding the list :p
[11:42] <lissyx> bandali, seb128, in another news, this is what I wanted to see: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/jobs?repo=mozilla-central&searchStr=snap-upstream&revision=489e7952cd67fe4e1816d3452675332e76676a3e
[11:42] <lissyx> daily build and **tests**
[11:42] <lissyx> should help us catch regressions easily and earlier
[11:43] <lissyx> bandali, have you been able to make progresses on native messaging patch?
[11:52] <seb128> lissyx, ah, great!
[11:53] <seb128> lissyx, how do the bugs get listed on that report? and how often does it run?
[11:53] <lissyx> seb128, ?
[11:53] <lissyx> which bugs on what report ?
[11:57] <seb128> lissyx, the url you just shared, on the left there is a column of "Bug nnnnnn" references
[11:57] <lissyx> ah
[11:58] <lissyx> seb128, it's just a subset of what has landed on mozilla-central
[11:58] <seb128> lissyx, sorry I'm not familiar with the Mozilla tools and report so I'm a bit lost on how to parse/navigate the report
[11:59] <lissyx> and the snap-upstream tests are run as part of a cron, so daily
[11:59] <seb128> great
[11:59] <lissyx> so basically daily we can make sure those not only builds, but the resulting snap installs, and runs and plays youtube
[12:01] <seb128> excellent
[12:02] <bandali> lissyx, not quite yet, sorry: i'd started chasing leads and getting back into it, but then i got thrown into a personal emergency that's taken a lot of my time/energy and hasn't left me much brainspace for driving this forward.  it is a top priority for me, though, and fingers crossed i'll be able to start on it again next week
[12:03] <lissyx> ouch
[12:03] <lissyx> sorry
[12:05] <bandali> thank u \o/ and sorry this has been taking forever. hopefully not much longer tho
[13:53] <lissyx> bandali, I'm cancelling the meeting, I guess you need to focus on other stuff and I dont really have much we need to discuss
[18:02] <KGB-2> mutter signed tags f688b0f Jeremy Bicha ubuntu/45.0-3ubuntu2 * mutter Debian release 45.0-3ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/Cjjg
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[18:02] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/latest 3859db8 Jeremy Bícha debian/changelog * releasing package mutter version 45.0-3ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/iwAnE
[22:17] <KGB-0> gtk4 signed tags dd0de71 Amin Bandali upstream/4.12.3+ds * Upstream version 4.12.3+ds * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/tags/upstream/4.12.3+ds
[22:17] <KGB-0> gtk4 upstream/latest 7052316 Amin Bandali * pushed 46 commits (first 5 follow) * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/compare/a5a2993...7052316
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[22:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 9fb934b in gnome-team/gtk4 "Improve FOO_DEBUG=help output"
[22:17] <KGB-0> gtk4 upstream/latest 3942590 Benjamin Otte (via Amin Bandali) gtk/deprecated/gtktreeview.c * treeview: Fix crash in assertion * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/3942590
[22:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 3942590 in gnome-team/gtk4 "treeview: Fix crash in assertion"
[22:18] <KGB-0> gtk4 upstream/latest df4f716 Benjamin Otte (via Amin Bandali) gdk/gdkpaintable.c * gdk: Fix compiler warning * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/df4f716
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit df4f716 in gnome-team/gtk4 "gdk: Fix compiler warning"
[22:18] <KGB-0> gtk4 upstream/latest bbe7e85 Benjamin Otte (via Amin Bandali) gdk/gdkarrayimpl.c * array: Compute new size properly * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/bbe7e85
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit bbe7e85 in gnome-team/gtk4 "array: Compute new size properly"
[22:18] <KGB-0> gtk4 upstream/latest 17c979c Emmanuele Bassi (via Amin Bandali) gsk/broadway/gskbroadwayrenderer.c * broadway: Plug a leak in the GSK renderer * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/17c979c
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 17c979c in gnome-team/gtk4 "broadway: Plug a leak in the GSK renderer"
[22:18] <KGB-0> gtk4 pristine-tar 9d99f05 Amin Bandali gtk4_4.12.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.delta gtk4_4.12.3+ds.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gtk4_4.12.3+ds.orig.tar.xz * https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gtk4/-/commit/9d99f05
[22:18] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Commit 9d99f05 in gnome-team/gtk4 "pristine-tar data for gtk4_4.12.3+ds.orig.tar.xz"


[01:59] <ryanakca> newz2000: I noticed that GA isn't monitoring the download attempts on kubuntu.org ... hadn't we fixed that?
[03:01] <newz2000> ryanakca: I think it tracks them in the same report as ubuntu.com's downloads
[03:01]  * newz2000 checks
[03:04] <newz2000> Yes, I have them in a separate report
[03:08] <newz2000> I'll email it to Jonathan
[03:49] <AliTabuger7> hey newz2000, I think we have the site working better now with the public download method. I'm not sure the current performance is good proof of a performance increase, if there is any, since there is less traffic now as there was yesterday.
[03:50] <AliTabuger7> On a side note. I thought you said you were planning on releasing a new ubuntu.com. I don't notice a big difference. am I just not looking in the right place?
[03:50] <newz2000> It got delayed unfortunately :-(
[03:51] <AliTabuger7> tragic. I was kind of looking forward to it. Is there anywhere I could get a sneak preview?
[03:52] <newz2000> It doesn't look much different, you can see it at shipit.ubuntu.com
[03:54] <AliTabuger7> ah yes. we were actually looking at using this for our starting point. it's much nicer when you look at the code. Especially the outer borders. The borders look visually better too. I think we decided against it because it was for drupal 6.
[03:59] <AliTabuger7> so. do you have any other tricks of the trade to improve performance?
[04:05] <newz2000> I think the next step is to increase your ram
[15:28] <qense> hello
[15:28] <newz2000> hey qense
[21:06] <ryanakca> newz2000: okies