[01:59] <Eggspurt> elijaxapps problems?
[02:30] <aloini> I am having some issues with ubuntu (server edition), where that when I try to startup the server, the network interface does not get brought up on boot, and then from there it just causes a looping issue where the system never fully boots. I am not sure what the cause of it failing is and I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog, or any other log files.
[02:44] <bajsmannen> how do I install Linux?
[02:46] <Bashing-om> !install | bajsmannen
[02:49] <aloini> This is what I eventually see if I wait long enough for the startup to fail: https://imgur.com/HW4ozvM
[02:51] <leftyfb> aloini: you wait 5 minutes for it to timeout. Then you can login and see what is going on. I can tell you though, it's more than likely a network issue. As in, probably not on the ubuntu side. Probably the cable isn't plugged in or it's plugged in the wrong port or you just don't have dhcp running on that subnet
[02:51] <aloini> It's in a guest VM, the network cable is plugged in on the host esxi machine leftyfb I also left it running for ~3 hours, and it just constantly cycles through this process.
[02:52] <aloini> The issue is specific to this guest, as my other VMs (that are also Ubuntu) are running without problem.
[02:52] <leftyfb> aloini: ok, then you don't have networking setup properly on that guest
[02:52] <aloini> I did, before a restart occurred.
[02:53] <aloini> I have not personally touched any files relating to network management that would have caused there to be an error in the .yaml file that configures networking either.
[02:53] <leftyfb> tried recovery mode? Did you do a kernel update that might have broke it's networking?
[02:53] <leftyfb> try booting to the previous kernel
[02:54] <aloini> The previous kernel (5.3.026) does not seem to resolve it either.
[02:55] <leftyfb> try older than that
[02:55] <aloini> Those (for whatever reason) are the only two I have installed.
[02:55] <leftyfb> maybe a 4.15 kernel
[03:00] <swift110> hey all
[03:00] <jayjo> I have a desktop machine that has a SSD that is 100GB, and then two additional HDD with 250+GB... I'm now getting some notifications that I'm running low on disk space. Are there some recommended ways to keep multiple drives like this? What files are the most important to be on the SDD vs the HDD?
[03:03] <leftyfb> jayjo: more info please. What partition/drive/directory is running out of space? How do you have things mounted?
[04:11] <jayjo> leftyfb: what's the best way to inspect that on a running installation?
[04:11] <leftyfb> jayjo: df -h  , mount , lsblk
[05:27] <blenderartist18> I have a computer with no display. It boots up with Ubuntu 19.1 installer on a usb. But it won't boot up with Ubuntu 19.1 installed on a usb. How can I get the installed usb to work?
[05:28] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | blenderartist18
[05:29] <tomreyn> i.e. there is, was, and will be no "Ubuntu 19.1"
[05:29] <tomreyn> unless maybe this refers to Ubuntu Core?
[05:29] <blenderartist18> Sorry, Ubuntu 19.10
[05:30] <raub> blenderartist18: do you mean you want to have an automatic install of ubuntu, i.e. from USB it will end up with a working system without you having to intervene?
[05:31] <blenderartist18> That would be nice. Especially if I could get openssh-server with it.
[05:31] <blenderartist18> I need to configure it to use an external usb monitor
[05:32] <blenderartist18> I'm using an hdmi dummy plug, before it would not boot with the usb installer stick.
[05:33] <tomreyn> it'll be good to have some way to access the logs of the failed boot so that you can tell why it failed to boot.
[05:33] <blenderartist18> how can a person do that?
[05:34] <tomreyn> one way of doing so would be moving the stick to another computer and accessing the logs from there. another way would be by logging in to the system on the network while it's running an openssh server, yet another way would be a serial console, and in the end you could also attach a monitor.
[05:35] <raub> blenderartist18: this might be old but should get you started: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Enterprise/WorkstationAutoinstallPreseed
[05:36] <tomreyn> netconsole would be yet another way
[05:37] <raub> tomreyn: I was assuming he wanted to run everything off the usb disk
[05:38] <blenderartist18> I can run things from a usb but I also have a ssd I'd like to use. Really I just want it to work.
[05:38] <tomreyn> raub: does this rule out any of my suggestions? i don't see why,
[05:38] <blenderartist18> Usually I just install Ubuntu on a drive and pop it in another computer and it just works. Not this time.
[05:39] <raub> tomreyn: I stand corrected then
[05:40] <blenderartist18> Is it possible to get a live usb installer going with openssh-server, connect to the server and install to a ssd via a client laptop?
[05:40] <tomreyn> or i may be totally misunderstanding the approach taken - this happened before, will happen again. ;)
[05:42] <tomreyn> blenderartist18: if you can provide input and receive output from the system in question, sure.
[05:42] <blenderartist18> @tomreyn so there is a command line Ubuntu installation?
[05:43] <Armageddon> blenderartist18, when you talk about servers, this can be done using the server interface (IPMI or such) that gives you access to the server and the ability to mount remote iso's or USBs
[05:43] <tomreyn> blenderartist18: there's ubuntu server installer, there's preseeding, and there is debootstrap
[05:44] <Armageddon> if you're not talking about such systems but a VPS as a server, the provider should provide images or provide you a way to do so yourself
[05:44] <tomreyn> blenderartist18: maybe you can describe what hardware you have there, and what your use case is, and we can provide a more specific recommendation
[05:45] <raub> Armageddon, tomreyn: I ASSumed baremetal, possibly home setup, so no IMPI or PXE boot server
[05:45] <blenderartist18> ok, I'll get the specs
[05:46] <Armageddon> raub, hehe, it happens :) not a big deal but the question is very broad
[05:46] <blenderartist18> Here is the headless computer specs: https://icecat.ch/en/p/msi/cubi-251us/cubi-pcs-workstations-Cubi-251US-36534534.html
[05:47] <blenderartist18> I think it's a nuc knock off
[05:48] <tomreyn> so that's hardware which isn't meant to be run headless, but you probably still can due to the hdmi dummy
[05:48] <blenderartist18> I don't have a monitor but I have a hdmi dummy plug to help.
[05:48] <Armageddon> blenderartist18, I found your solution, it's easy, drive down to the datacenter
[05:49] <blenderartist18> Wheres the datacenter? I'll go now!
[05:49] <tomreyn> blenderartist18: so attaching a monitor temporarily is out of the question (why?)?
[05:49] <raub> blenderartist18: so you do not have physical access to the box?
[05:49] <blenderartist18> I have physical access
[05:49] <Armageddon> blenderartist18, you need a monitor and keyboard
[05:50] <blenderartist18> I have keyboard but no monitor. Well take that back... I have this one...
[05:50] <raub> Or slap hard drive to another machine, install OS there, and then slap back to this nucalike
[05:50] <Armageddon> blenderartist18, then get yourself a monitor :P
[05:50] <Armageddon> raub, what if any of the drivers don't work ?
[05:51] <blenderartist18> https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/MB16AC/
[05:51] <blenderartist18> The drivers work on my laptop with Ubuntu 19.10
[05:52] <raub> Armageddon: I thought ubuntu is pretty good at running on most computers, specially if all you want is for it to start with openssh and say dhcp on a single ethernet port
[05:52] <blenderartist18> @raub I tried installing and setting up everything on my laptop. I took the hard drive out and put in the Cubi, didn't work. Wouldn't boot.
[05:53] <Armageddon> raub, I have seen my fair share of hardware, I always lean towards failures
[05:53] <raub> Armageddon: fair point
[05:54] <blenderartist18> It boots with the dummy plug with Ubuntu 19.10 install usb. The mac address for the wifi shows up and everything. So why shouldn't the installation on a usb do the same?
[05:55] <Armageddon> blenderartist18, it might totally work, from end to end
[05:55] <Armageddon> then it's up to you to figure out the ip it got
[05:56] <raub> blenderartist18: have you checked if your nucalike can do console through its USB port, or it has serial console connector?
[05:56] <Armageddon> I generally don't search for servers by IP in my network, nmap spread to find all servers on a subnet, then try to figure out what's what
[05:57] <blenderartist18> @raub I'm not familiar with doing console through usb? Do you mean ssh?
[05:58] <raub> blenderartist18: tmux, screen. As tomreyn and Armageddon said, you might be better off finding how to slap a monitor to it
[05:59] <raub> I dunno your comfort level
[06:00] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am using Ubuntu 18.04 and I want to disable my screen saver which comes after inactivity of some time. How do I do that? Actually it takes a little bit of time to come back on. So that's why I want to disable it.
[06:00] <tomreyn> blenderartist18: amongst the first things i suggested was to reconnect the usb stick to the other computer and inspect the logs files, to understand why it failed to boot. also, howe do you actually know it failed to boot (since oyu had no moitor)?
[06:01] <blenderartist18> oops, cafe closing, this sucks, I have to go. @tomreyn I say the wifi
[06:01] <blenderartist18> I saw it's wifi
[06:01] <tomreyn> okay, see you.
[06:03] <tomreyn> lalitmee: ubuntu 18.04 LTS doesn't have a screen saver other than the screen lock by default, you mustz have a custom configuration you haven't discussed, yet
[06:03] <raub> Time for me to ask an easy question: if I have a variable var1='V (m/s)' how can I feed it into sed so it does not try to regexp the hell out of it?
[06:05] <raub> lalitmee: I do not know what you mean by 'it takes a little bit of time to come back on'
[06:05] <lalitmee> tomreyn: Actually I have no other configuration. And my screen lock setting is also OFF. https://i.imgur.com/SwGk7Yx.png
[06:06] <lalitmee> raub: Actually I am using joining display settings with my Laptop and external screen. So laptop is fast for coming back on but the screen takes a lot of time. I am thinking it will not happen if I can disable the automatically light off thing.
[06:06] <tomreyn> lalitmee: you have a non default color and icon scheme there, di you customize those? are you sure you're running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS?
[06:07] <lalitmee> tomreyn and raub it doesn't lock simply it lights off. because when I move my mouse or press any key it directly open without putting any password or anything
[06:08] <lalitmee> tomreyn: Yeah I am using Ubuntu community theme. thats why its looking like that
[06:09] <tomreyn> so which screensaver are you using?
[06:10] <lalitmee> no screensaver.
[06:10] <lalitmee> I am not using any screensaver
[06:11] <tomreyn> that's the opposite of what you said initially, though: "I want to disable my screen saver which comes after inactivity of some time"
[06:12] <tomreyn> maybe you're saying that after a period of inactivity, the screen turns black, and there is no screen saver nor screen lock?
[06:13] <tomreyn> well, i have to leave for now, but be sure to describe it moe precisely for others to help.
[06:13] <tomreyn> *more
[06:14] <lalitmee> tomreyn: my bad. actually that's not any screensaver. So I will explain clearly now. What happens is this. If I leave my system for 5 minutes it goes in the mode where Ubuntu 18.04 show lock wallpaper and then you have to press or scroll to go to the user login screen but in my case, after inactivity of 5 minutes it goes to the lock wallpaper but when I press any key or scroll it doesn't asks for user login. That's what I meant to say
[06:15] <lalitmee> tomreyn: So I was asking to set that inactivity time to never setting.
[06:36] <linelevel> Hi, I ran `do-release-upgrade` (via ssh) on my AWS instance which was/is running Ubuntu 16.04. The upgrade failed fairly early - I can't see the error message because it exited the `screen` session it was running in. However, it did already update my sources.list to all the 18.04 sources, so now I can't run `sudo apt upgrade`, but I also can't run `do-release-upgrade` again because it thinks there are uninstal
[06:36] <linelevel> led updates.
[06:36] <linelevel> Any suggestions?
[06:37] <linelevel> I'm not sure how to proceed, nor how best to troubleshoot the problem.
[06:37] <linelevel> I can still `ssh` into the instance, and I can confirm that it still reports version 16.04 upon ssh login.
[06:46] <linelevel> Everything on the server still seems to be running properly. I just can't install anything new or update packages. Obviously I could just manually edit the sources.list back to 16.04 sources... but that might leave other things in an inconsistent state.
[06:46] <linelevel> I'm not familiar enough with the release upgrade procedure to know what else I should check.
[08:15] <sparr> My Settings > Bluetooth has just changed from showing functioning toggleable bluetooth to saying "No Bluetooth Found". In between the computer suspended and woke and I don't think anything else of note happened. I have a Dell XPS 13 running Ubuntu 19.10, how might I investigate the sudden lack of bluetooth recognition?
[08:23] <c|oneman> just turn the computer on and off again
[08:25] <c|oneman> hardware switches suck
[08:28] <Armageddon> sparr, I have the same setup
[08:28] <Armageddon> but I don't have the proper drivers in the first place cause I got no dkms kernel yet
[08:33] <ZaZaGX> hello
[08:37] <raj> realistically, how many of you use a passphrase for ssh?
[08:39] <EdFletcherT137> raj: I do
[10:53] <cousteau> Hi!  Is there a way to associate a proxy to a network connection, so that whenever I connect to "Work ethernet" it uses that proxy automatically without me having to change it under Network?
[10:54] <cousteau> (the ethernet at work requires a proxy to have internet access; it's not that I want to bypass their security)
[10:56] <cousteau> also, is there a way to have a system-wide option that will get updated immediately for all apps whenever I change my proxy in Network?  Apparently what that does is change an environment variable ($http_proxy), but that doesn't affect apps and terminals that are already open
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:05] <scx> Hello
[12:05] <Rhonda> What's the best way to get an 5.4 kernel onto an 18.04 system, in a way that it is a security team supported kernel?
[12:06] <evilscrew> mouse pointer disappears when using vga out but is fine on dvi out
[12:09] <scx> Anyone use snaps here?
[12:10] <evilscrew> snapchat?
[12:10] <scx> Can you install cantor via Snap Store, run /var/lib/snapd/snap/bin/cantor, and then tell me if it works for you and what Ubuntu version do you use?
[12:16] <oerheks> Rhonda, not, 5.4 is in mainline, just for testing https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[12:16] <oerheks> wait for 20.04, that will give 5.4.x
[12:18] <oerheks> scx, there are 4 versions on https://snapcraft.io/cantor, and you better ask this in #kubuntu
[12:18] <Rhonda> oerheks: Hmm, yeah, 20.04 is still two months away unfortunately. :/
[12:18] <oerheks> you could test it today
[12:19] <oerheks> !20.04
[12:22] <scx> oerheks: I just need to know if package is broken, or snapd in my distro is outdated
[12:24] <oerheks> there are 4 packages, which one?
[12:25] <scx> default (stable)
[12:25] <scx> oerheks: ^^
[12:26] <oerheks> well, i am not running kde, and their homepage stated: Contact the authors Report a bug IRC: #kde-edu
[12:26] <oerheks> trying 'stable' now
[12:26] <scx> https://pastebin.com/raw/55RfKx3p
[12:27] <oerheks> oh, that is an older version .. and why starting it from comandline?
[12:28] <scx> oerheks: because without it nothing shows up
[12:29] <oerheks> there are 2 icons in my menu, gnome3, one does not do anything indeed,. but with the icon works fine
[12:29] <oerheks> this  /var/lib/snapd/snap/bin/cantor  is of no use
[12:30] <oerheks> which cantor : /snap/bin/cantor
[12:30] <oerheks> and that works fine here
[12:31] <scx> Have you tried to run "cantor" in cli?
[12:32] <oerheks> yes, see /snap/bin/cantor
[12:32] <oerheks> your path is unusable, what linux are you on?
[12:33] <scx> Do you have any errors when running /var/lib/snapd/snap/bin/cantor?
[12:33] <scx> RHEL, but Fedora has the same version of snapd.
[12:34] <oerheks> again, that is not on my system
[12:35] <oerheks> type which cantor, and you would get the right placeholder
[12:35] <scx> $ which cantor
[12:35] <scx> /var/lib/snapd/snap/bin/cantor
[12:36] <scx> the /snap directory doesn't exist
[12:36] <scx> $ file /snap/bin/cantor
[12:36] <scx> /snap/bin/cantor: cannot open (No such file or directory)
[12:36] <oerheks> oke, then fedora does it differen
[12:36] <oerheks> +t
[12:37] <oerheks> join #kde-edu  for this?
[12:39] <scx> oerheks: yes, but didn't get any response
[12:40] <oerheks> try the latest 19.08.3 perhaps?
[12:43] <scx> doesn't work neither
[13:27] <blenderartist18> Good morning. Got my coffee. Got Internet. Got Ubuntu. What a great way to start the day.
[13:30] <sixwheeledbeast> It's all downhill from there then...
[13:51] <rocketeer99> Hello friends I just upgraded from ubuntu 16 with Unity 7 that was working really well for me and I have not enjoyed the gnome desktop so far
[13:51] <rocketeer99> I have a fresh install of 19.04 with gnome
[13:51] <rocketeer99> I have tried several extensions and they do not repair this well
[13:52] <rocketeer99> any suggestions? I hear unity 7 is basically no longer supported, I've tried MATE, Cinnamon, KDE, and stock Gnome 3 and nothing seems to come close to the old Unity DE
[13:52] <sixwheeledbeast> why 19.04? I would say either 18.04 or 19.10 would be the current options.
[13:53] <rocketeer99> sorry I have 19.10
[13:53] <EriC^^> rocketeer99: supposedly unity is still found in the universe repo?
[13:53] <sixwheeledbeast> MATE with Munity is the closest I can think of to the Unity style at the moment
[13:53] <legreffier> gnome3 should work as an unity replacement
[13:53] <legreffier> what is it missing ?
[13:54] <EriC^^> !info unity eoan
[13:54] <EriC^^> rocketeer99: it seem unity is still in the universe repo
[13:54] <rocketeer99> Eric^^: I could still install it, but from what I've read it's buggy and not updated, so I have to get off it at some point
[13:55] <EriC^^> rocketeer99: i think there's some unity being maintained etc as a community project, that's what was said initially
[13:56] <rocketeer99> that's yunit, based on unity 8
[13:56] <rocketeer99> that I know of
[13:57] <rocketeer99> I will give munity a try
[13:57] <blenderartist18> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 19.10 on a temporarily headless MSI mini pc Cubi https://us.msi.com/Barebone/Cubi-Mini-PC-Kit/Specification
[13:57] <blenderartist18> The mini pc has only two ports for display: hdmi and MiniDisplay. I do not have a monitor for these ports. I only have a USB external Monitor, Asus ZenScreen (usb external monitor): https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ZenScreen-MB16ACE/specifications/
[13:57] <blenderartist18> I have a laptop to assist in this matter. I also am using a usb wifi adapter to assist as well (it will light up if network-manager brings it up).
[13:57] <blenderartist18> I've tried installing Ubuntu 19.10 on an sdd and installing the sdd into the headless but the boot failed. I test booted this new installation on my laptop and it boots fine.
[13:57] <blenderartist18> I was able to boot the headless fully with a usb stick with the Ubuntu 19.10 installer live image on it. (The usb wifi adapter lights up). But when I install Ubuntu 19.10 on a usb stick the headless does not boot up (The usb wifi adapter lights up).
[13:57] <blenderartist18> Does anyone have any idea what's special about the live install image that get's it through the boot process on this headless whereas a full Ubuntu 19.10 install on a usb does not make it past the boot? I believe if I can get match the live usb installer configuration I can get the headless to boot. Any ideas?
[14:00] <rocketeer99> legreffier: I miss the HUD, the fact that I had locally integrated menus in the title bars, that merged with the system panel when I maximized, the fact that the windows/super key gave me an actual launcher rather than "overviews", I miss search that actually worked, I miss the excellent theming options I had, I miss min/max/close being in the
[14:00] <rocketeer99> corner when maximized, I dislike the hotcorners, I miss grid virtual desktops with good trackpack gestures to move left/right/up/down, and I am generally sad about having to learn a new interface
[14:01] <blenderartist18> I have a correction for the above: the wifi adapter does not light up when I try to boot from the usb with the full Ubuntu 19.10 installation.
[14:04] <rocketeer99> I miss that the browsers and other applications respected my scaling options, without throwing a giant accessibility thing into my panel, and that they respected my system theme instead of doing their own thing
[14:04] <rocketeer99> then there's a thousand tiny quality of life things that are hard to articulate and may just be my resistance to change
[14:06] <sixwheeledbeast> rocketeer99: It's in MATE Tweak > Panels > Munity
[14:06] <rocketeer99> currently just using Gnome
[14:06] <rocketeer99> with gnome-tweaks
[14:07] <sixwheeledbeast> I never like Unity in the first place so MATE is homw for me.
[14:07] <rocketeer99> I am one of those poor idiots who genuinely liked Unity a lot
[14:08] <pragmaticenigma> blenderartist18: I'm not finding anything recent with installing Ubuntu without some sort of display attached. There were projects from 2008, but that's way out of date. Preseed might work, but you have to know a lot about the machine upfront. Also, it's very possible the wifi adapter requires proprietary drivers, so I would recommend setting this up with ethernet, no wifi
[14:08] <blenderartist18> My wifi adapter is supported
[14:09] <pragmaticenigma> blenderartist18: you missed the entire point
[14:09] <blenderartist18> ok
[14:11] <blenderartist18> @pragmaticenigma, Since the installer image boot from a usb, then couldn't I respin it with openssh-server and install over command line via ssh from my laptop?
[14:11] <blenderartist18> Or is command line installaton possible?
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> Ubuntu server image might be able to do that out of the box
[14:13] <leftyfb> it won't connect to wifi out of the box. It doesn't even have wpa_supplicant installed out of the box
[14:14] <blenderartist18> I did need to use a dummy hdmi plug to get the live installer usb to boot, won't boot without it
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> blenderartist18: that would indicate that the computer in question is not capable of running headless regardless if you get Ubuntu installed or not
[14:15] <blenderartist18> but it did with the live installer
[14:16] <blenderartist18> network-manager turned on the usb wifi adapter
[14:16] <blenderartist18> There is something about the way the live installer is configured that gets it to boot with the dummy plug
[14:17] <blenderartist18> If I knew what that was, I would configure the installed version the same way in hopes that it would also boot
[14:18] <blenderartist18> I've been wondering if it's secure boot, proprietary drivers, uefi, etc.
[14:19] <blenderartist18> hanging up the installed version where the live installer boots all the way
[14:22] <vielfarbig> Hello, with Ubuntu 18.04 on a ltsp 2019 client, a segmentation fault is thrown if i type 'sudo echo "Test"' and than CTRL-C. On the Ubuntu Host, it does not throw a segmentation fault. I've spoken to the dev of ltsp 2019, but he says that this does not have something to do with ltsp 2019 directly but rather with ssh(fs) or sudo (or nfs). This does not break something up, but I think it could be a potential security risk. I've tried to
[14:22] <vielfarbig> debug it with gdb, apport-bug and strace, but I had no success with them. Strace does not even throw the segfault. Does somebody know where this comes from?
[14:44] <EtherMan> Is it just me or is Bionic REALLY behind for glusterfs? 3.13, while it's up on 7 something O_o
[14:46] <blenderartist18> Is it possible to connect ssh via ethernet cable to a headless computer booted with Ubuntu 19.10 live installer?
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> blenderartist18: possibly if you're using the Ubuntu server image
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | EtherMan
[14:54] <blenderartist18> @pragmaticenigma, so after install can I just plug in the ethernet cable and go from there?
[14:54] <EtherMan> pragmaticenigma, it wasn't that it wasn't the latest, but rather just how far behind it seems to be.
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> EtherMan: Really think about what you just said
[14:56] <Pricey> blenderartist18: suspect you'd need to roll your own livecd with keys/passwords for that.
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> blenderartist18: possibly... I really have no idea as I have never done this before... I always use a monitor to get the system up and running... then pull the plug
[14:57] <blenderartist18> yeah, I'm in an unfortunate situation. I'm homeless and cannot carry around desktop monitors.
[14:58] <EtherMan> pragmaticenigma, I don't see anything wrong with what I said... Are you suggesting there's no difference between running say 1 or 2 major versions behind, and 5 major versions behind?
[15:06] <blenderartist18> I have the live Ubuntu 19.10 cd opened up to respin. I'm in the chroot. I installed openssh-server, but how do I turn it on?
[15:07] <blenderartist18> sudo systemctl status ssh does work nor enabling it.
[15:07] <blenderartist18> *does not work
[15:09] <trippeh> hm. AV1 playback doesnt seem to be very useful in Focal/20.04. ffmpeg is still using libaom, which is just too slow and not multithreaded.
[15:10] <trippeh> dav1d (which is much faster) is supported in ffmpeg 4.2+
[15:11] <trippeh> (supported upstream, not in ubuntu, that is.)
[15:14] <BluesKaj> trippeh, I'm running 2.04 focal and the default ffmpeg version here is 4.2.2
[15:14] <BluesKaj> 20.04
[15:14] <trippeh> BluesKaj: yes, but it is still built against libaom in ubuntu.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> what's your problem with AV playback?
[15:15] <trippeh> libaom is not fast enough to play back even 1080p 25fps video on a modern CPU, so it stutters and drops frames.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> odd I haven't noticed that, which player are you using?
[15:16] <trippeh> mpv. playing back AV1 encoded files.
[15:17] <trippeh> files encoded with other codecs are working fine, h264, hevc etc.
[15:18] <trippeh> it's only AV1 that is a problem, due to using libaom as the decoder.
[15:18] <BluesKaj> ok, do you have an example i could check ?
[15:20] <trippeh> BluesKaj: if you have youtube-dl, try youtube-dl -f399+251 k2qgadSvNyU and playing back the resulting file
[15:21] <trippeh> it gets worse further out in the video
[15:23] <trippeh> if you have a cpu that boosts to like 5Ghz, it might be able to eke by with libaom based ffmpeg, I suppose
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok , gotcha it's obviously dropping frames
[15:25] <BluesKaj> and when youtube-dl finished there was this message: [ffmpeg] Merging formats into "Dua Lipa - New Rules (Official Music Video)-k2qgadSvNyU.mkv"
[15:25] <trippeh> yeah, thats just merging in the audio track
[15:26] <trippeh> video and audio is stored in separate files on streaming services these days
[15:27] <ioria> trippeh, are you sure the stock  ffpmeg binary is build against  libaom ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> trp i'd suggest you ask in the #ubuntu+1 chat, it's for non official releases ubuntu flavours of 20.04
[15:27] <BluesKaj> trippeh,^
[15:27] <OY1R> i installed windows 10 on a system with xp and ubuntu, now, how do i get back the grub boot manager ?
[15:28] <OY1R> system boots straight to windows 10
[15:28] <trippeh> ioria: yep.
[15:28] <sixwheeledbeast> use a live image to check for your boot partition.
[15:28] <trippeh> ah, +1, thanks for the tip
[15:29] <ioria> trippeh, ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg  | grep aom
[15:29] <trippeh> ioria: ffmpeg reports DEV.L. av1 Alliance for Open Media AV1 (decoders: libaom-av1 ) (encoders: libaom-av1 )
[15:30] <trippeh> as well as ldd reports libaom.so, yes
[15:30] <ioria> well, not on bionic trippeh
[15:30] <trippeh> I doubt AV1 is a thing on bionic :)
[15:33] <oerheks> OY1R, see the restore grub factoid
[15:33] <oerheks> !grub
[15:34] <OY1R> thanks
[15:45] <ioria> trippeh, i'd try  vlc    (=> 3.0.8 should have  AV1 playback capability)
[15:49] <blenderartist18> I'm trying to do a no questions asked server install of Ubuntu 19.10 by editing the preseed file according to this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
[15:50] <blenderartist18> Seems things have changed. There is a folder on the iso called preseed with three binary files in it. Which one is the one I use for the preceed text describe in the link above?
[16:03] <blenderartist18> I'm trying to do a serial console install according to the answer here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/250869/how-can-i-install-ubuntu-on-a-device-without-a-screen-nor-a-keyboard/260469#260469
[16:03] <blenderartist18> but there is no file: syslinx.cfg
[16:04] <blenderartist18> on the usb
[16:04] <blenderartist18> What file should I bee looking for now with Ubuntu 19.10?
[16:05] <blenderartist18> There is also no: text.cfg
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> blenderartist18: see also #ubuntu-server
[16:06] <blenderartist18> @lotuspsychje, ok
[16:13] <charolastra> in the process of an LTS -> LTS upgrade it stoped at the question of a modified file and the options to keep it, view difference, etc. but then didn't take any input anymore. dpkg process is still running and i see a process called 'xenial'. how to best debug the current situation? just kill dpkg?
[16:13] <Jwwoods> I would upgrade, but it says my python is corrupted
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | charolastra could try this perhaps
[16:18] <charolastra> well, it's a CLI session on a headless server and the upgrade is currently hanging
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> charolastra: see #ubuntu-server
[16:19] <charolastra> thanks
[16:36] <mra90> I try to install companion app for firefox extension, I did it by auto installer but afterwards the add one still claims it was not installed
[16:36] <mra90> any idea?
[16:41] <Joel> Anyone know of something like trello, but ideally for the desktop? NOT SaaS
[16:45] <sixwheeledbeast> Being in #ubuntu launchpad springs to mind.
[16:54] <oerheks> mra90, companion app? it has issues https://support.mozilla.org/fr/questions/1233853?&mobile=0 --- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/video-downloadhelper-q-and-a/lk0NDSEMFb4
[16:54] <oerheks> i think it is a blocked npaapi thingy
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> Joel: software reccomends, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[16:56] <oerheks> .. or snap firefox.
[17:29] <RougeR> hi
[17:29] <RougeR> anyone had issues on ubuntu 18.04 with displayport?
[17:29] <RougeR> i dont actually know if the port works on this laptop tbh
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> RougeR: ask your specific question to the channel please
[17:29] <RougeR> but no easy way of testing
[17:29] <RougeR> sure
[17:30] <RougeR> Im trying to get my dell monitor working with a mini-display port to dvi adapter. It is not being recognized in ubuntu 18.04, ive just been and checked both cable and monitor work by plugging them into a thinkpad t440 with windows 10
[17:30] <RougeR> ive never actually used the displayport on this system, but have no reason to believe it has any issues
[17:31] <raden> is there anyway to restart netplan and change IP without rebooting
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> RougeR: is your graphics card driver installed on ubuntu?
[17:32] <RougeR> good question
[17:32] <pragmaticenigma> RougeR: Check with non-conductive tool (wood or plastic toothpick) and make sure there is no dust in the port. It doesn't take much for the contacts to become dirty
[17:33] <RougeR> pragmaticenigma, aye ill try a quick clean too
[17:33] <RougeR> got a cleaning brush for soldering stuff i use
[17:34] <RougeR> hmmm no such luck with a clean
[17:35] <RougeR> lotuspsychje, what is the best way of checking/updating graphics driver
[17:35] <RougeR> ive run lspci
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> RougeR: sudo lshw -C video
[17:37] <RougeR> just getting VGA compatible
[17:37] <RougeR> https://dpaste.org/wuBZ
[17:37] <RougeR> vga does work btw
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> RougeR: driver=i915
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> RougeR: can you: journalctl -f and plug out/back in your cable to see potential errors?
[17:42] <RougeR> sorry was in wrong chan
[17:42] <RougeR> hey
[17:42] <RougeR> was going to say i dont see graphics drivers in my sources
[17:42] <RougeR> ill try what you said hang on
[17:43] <RougeR> good ideal with journalctl
[17:43] <RougeR> had to google, but can understand the logic with it
[17:43] <RougeR> no errors
[17:44] <RougeR> im tempted to just quickly reboot
[17:44] <RougeR> the laptop was woken from sleep
[17:45] <ioria> RougeR, what's the display manager in use ?  cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[17:45] <RougeR> ioria, /usr/sbin/gdm3
[17:46] <ioria> RougeR, try with lightdm and se it as default :  sudo apt install lightdm
[17:46] <ioria> *set
[17:47] <RougeR> ioria, i will
[17:47] <RougeR> was going to ask before i do that
[17:47] <RougeR> how can i very my intel driver is up to date for graphics
[17:48] <ioria> RougeR, and reboot after
[17:48] <ioria> RougeR,  what's your kernel ? uname -r
[17:49] <RougeR> 5.3.0-26-generic
[17:49] <RougeR> this a pretty out the box ubuntu 18.04 install
[17:49] <RougeR> with updates etc
[17:49] <ioria> RougeR,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:50] <RougeR> yeah will try it
[17:50] <RougeR> i have run updates since install ofc
[17:50] <RougeR> but ill run it
[17:50] <RougeR> also here is lspci
[17:50] <RougeR> https://dpaste.org/hSR6
[17:50] <RougeR> should i see something for display port?
[17:52] <RougeR> running full upgrade
[17:52] <RougeR> will reboot after
[17:52] <ioria> RougeR,  then you should have <IP_ADDRESS> and not  5.3.0-26
[17:53] <RougeR> jj
[17:53] <RougeR> kk
[17:53] <RougeR> upgraded
[17:53] <RougeR> rebooting
[18:01] <RougeR> running 5.3.0-28-generic
[18:03] <RougeR> running apt-get update and full-upgrade again
[18:04] <RougeR> stull upgrading
[18:28] <veegee> fancontrol has a horrible configuration syntax
[18:28] <veegee> is there any way I can provide it a custom source for the temperature sensor that it uses to determine fan speed?
[18:29] <veegee> For example, a script that that takes the hard disk temperature from a bunch of SCSI disks and outputs the average
[18:48] <leftyfb> mave_: btw, it looks like they're trying to get openssh 8.2 into Ubuntu 20.04
[18:49] <mave_> that's good news!
[18:50] <leftyfb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1863447
[18:51] <mave_> high importance
[18:52] <mave_> i like that :D
[19:30] <blenderartist18> Is it possible to ssh through ethernet?
[19:31] <blenderartist18> I have a headless computer with openssh-server. I have ethernet connected to my laptop I'm using now. The laptop has openssh-client.
[19:32] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: yeah
[19:32] <blenderartist18> easy to explain?
[19:33] <blenderartist18> I want to get it updated and configured for a usb monitor
[19:33] <blenderartist18> but I can do all that, just need help with ssh
[19:33] <sixwheeledbeast> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[19:34] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: do you know the ip or hostname of the headless computer? ssh username@host/ip
[19:34] <blenderartist18> The host name is msi
[19:35] <blenderartist18> But I don't have the ip
[19:35] <blenderartist18> I guess I could plug the drive into my laptop and get it.
[19:35] <blenderartist18> Is there another way through the cable?
[19:41] <RougeR> ioria,
[19:41] <RougeR> running 5.3.0-40-generic now
[19:42] <blenderartist18> What is the easiest way to create start up script, that will run ip a?
[19:42] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: use ssh user@msi
[19:43] <blenderartist18> @EriC^^, ok, but don't I need slash ip?
[19:43] <oerheks> But I don't have the ip .. nmap is a tool to scan for it
[19:43] <oerheks> or check the router leases/connected devices
[19:44] <blenderartist18> nmap can scan for an ip of a headless computer plugged together with an ethernet cable?
[19:44] <blenderartist18> Don't have router
[19:44] <blenderartist18> I'm using public wifi
[19:46] <blenderartist18> I'm getting 'connection failed' messages from the ethernet
[19:46] <blenderartist18> *notifications
[19:47] <oerheks> this issue cannot be solved by ubuntu weird, question
[19:48] <oerheks> you must walk to that 'server', turn on the screen
[19:48] <oerheks> etc
[19:48] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: try ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:48] <blenderartist18> ok
[19:49] <oerheks> on a public wifi?
[19:49] <RougeR> im going to try with lightdm
[19:49] <EriC^^> no he said he has them connected via ethernet
[19:49] <blenderartist18> ssh: Could not resolve hostname msi.local: Name or service not known
[19:49] <RougeR> nice to see linux is still not quite there for casual users -__-
[19:50] <oerheks> RougeR, sure it is, just too new hardware might need attention.
[19:50] <blenderartist18> Sorry, I mean I have the computers physically connected with an ethernet cable, but just physically, no software connection that I know of
[19:50] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: when you connect the ethernet on your laptop, what's the ip you get for the laptop?
[19:51] <blenderartist18> @EriC^^, Where do I check for that?
[19:51] <EriC^^> what os? ubuntu?
[19:51] <blenderartist18> Ubuntu 19.10
[19:51] <EriC^^> type "ip a"
[19:51] <EriC^^> look next to inet
[19:51] <blenderartist18> Both are computers
[19:52] <EriC^^> ok
[19:52] <blenderartist18> inet <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[19:52] <EriC^^> it should be under enp.....
[19:52] <blenderartist18> ok
[19:53] <EriC^^> link/ether .... something inet
[19:53] <blenderartist18> inet6 fe80::f9a:902d:c167:49f2/64
[19:53] <EriC^^> is there no "inet" one?
[19:54] <blenderartist18> 2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
[19:54] <blenderartist18>     link/ether 68:f7:28:ca:90:6f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[19:54] <blenderartist18>     inet6 fe80::f9a:902d:c167:49f2/64 scope link noprefixroute
[19:54] <blenderartist18>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[19:54] <blenderartist18> The others are lo and my wifi
[19:56] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: can you check the ethernet settings and see if ipv4 is enabled?
[19:56] <EriC^^> cause that's the ipv6 address
[19:56] <blenderartist18> ok
[19:57] <davr0s> got my cpu spiking use randomly since an update (ubuntu) - i have a cpu use bar chart on my panel - ive seen 'gnome-system monitor' which can sort processes by cpu load but is there  a way to see which one is spiking (eg i'd need a graph of individual process load?)
[19:57] <blenderartist18> its on automatic dhcp for ipv4
[19:58] <blenderartist18> I put it on link local and now I have inet
[20:00] <EriC^^> blueingress: ok what's the inet address
[20:00] <blenderartist18> <IP_ADDRESS>/16 brd <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:01] <frib> I'm using fluxbox as window manager but UTF-8 japanese strings in window titles are garbled. Anyone know how to fix that? Thanks
[20:01] <blenderartist18> inet <IP_ADDRESS>/16 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope link noprefixroute enp2s0
[20:01] <blenderartist18>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[20:02] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: ok, you can install zenmap and try to see which laptop responds to port 22
[20:03] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: if you want you could do "for i in {0..255}; do telnet 169.254.194."$i" 22 & echo $i; done"
[20:04] <EriC^^> it'll go through them quickly, if you scroll up after it's done you might see a "connected to <ip here>" that's your headless ip
[20:04] <blenderartist18> I installed zenmap
[20:04] <EriC^^> ok
[20:04] <EriC^^> try doin a scan on <IP_ADDRESS>-255
[20:05] <blenderartist18> do you know the args for zenmap?
[20:05] <EriC^^> you dont need them it'll fill them up by itself
[20:05] <EriC^^> put <IP_ADDRESS>-255 as the host and choose ping scan or so
[20:06] <blenderartist18> I have a gui that popped up
[20:06] <EriC^^> or try "<IP_ADDRESS>/16" as the host
[20:07] <blenderartist18> I did a scan, but it says no targets were specified
[20:07] <EriC^^> did you put <IP_ADDRESS>/16 as the host
[20:08] <blenderartist18> no, trying to figure out how to get that in a field
[20:08] <blenderartist18> do I type that in somewhere?
[20:08] <EriC^^> in "target"
[20:09] <EriC^^> for profile choose a ping scan
[20:11] <blenderartist18> ok got that going
[20:12] <annoyed-phone> Ubuntu 19.10, I can see wifi networks, but can't connect. I don't have the ability to plug into hard line.
[20:12] <blenderartist18> Is it doing something in the background? I pressed scan but see no activity
[20:12] <EriC^^> blenderartist18: it should say that it started a scan in the white box
[20:13] <blenderartist18> yes
[20:13] <blenderartist18> Should I get a cup of coffee?
[20:13] <EriC^^> itll be around 3mins i guess
[20:14] <leftyfb> there a much easier way of doing all this
[20:14] <blenderartist18> ok,
[20:14] <blenderartist18> ah, now I see an activity widget next to the Detail Button
[20:16] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: https://www.cesariogarcia.com/?p=611
[20:17] <leftyfb> otherwise, you're not likely to get an ip address on the other side
[20:29] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, the server is headless and I don't know the ip
[20:30] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: if you setup the connection sharing from the instructions I posted, you'll be able to see the ip your laptop gave the headless server
[20:30] <blenderartist18> ok, is that the ip I would use to ssh with?
[20:30] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: journalctl -xef  # run this a terminal when you plug in your server. You should see an ip given out, I think by dnsmasq
[20:30] <leftyfb> yes
[20:35] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, ok, not it changed the inet to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:36] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: <IP_ADDRESS> is the ip on that shared network of your laptop
[20:36] <leftyfb> now you'll have to get the ip of the server when you plug it in and turn it on
[20:37] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: it'll probably be .2, but not definite
[20:37] <blenderartist18> the server is on
[20:37] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: watch that log
[20:37] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: try rebooting the server
[20:38] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, rebooting
[20:39] <blenderartist18> max@lenova:~$ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:39] <blenderartist18> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: No route to host
[20:40] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: did .2 show up in your log?
[20:40] <blenderartist18> zenmap?
[20:40] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: did .2 show up in your journal log?
[20:41] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, I don't know where the journal log is.
[20:41] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: would you like help?
[20:42] <blenderartist18> Yes
[20:42] <oerheks>  journalctl -xef ....
[20:42] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: ok, then you're going to need to follow instructions as they are given
[20:42] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: turn off the server
[20:42] <oerheks> plugin, and read
[20:42] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: let me know when the server is powered off
[20:42] <blenderartist18> I couldn't do that because it's headless unless you mean I can do it on my laptop?
[20:43] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: you have no way of powering off your server?
[20:44] <blenderartist18> leftyfb, yes, I did power it down and booted it.
[20:44] <leftyfb> power it off
[20:44] <blenderartist18> ok down now
[20:45] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: can I ask though, is there a reason why you can't hop down to Best Buy and get an adapter to plug a monitor and keyboard into your server?
[20:46] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, yes, i'm homeless, so I can't lug around desktop monitors
[20:46] <blenderartist18> I do have a lightweight zenscreen that I have plans for this headless
[20:46] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: ok, in a terminal run:   sudo journalctl -xef
[20:46] <blenderartist18> ok
[20:47] <blenderartist18> When you stated that earilier I thought you meant that it must be done on the server, sorry
[20:47] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: that is going to read and follow your system logs realtime. You're going to watch the bottom of that while you turn your server on and watch for a 10.42.0.X ip address to pop up
[20:47] <blenderartist18> ok,
[20:47] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: now turn on your server
[20:48] <blenderartist18> it's on and I'm watching
[20:49] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: what type of hardware is this server?
[20:51] <blenderartist18> specs to headless: https://icecat.ch/en/p/msi/cubi-251us/cubi-pcs-workstations-Cubi-251US-36534534.html
[20:52] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: how do you know anything is running on this server?
[20:54] <blenderartist18> I installed the Ubuntu 19.10 installer onto a usb. The headless booted with it. I put in another usb. To install you only have to press enter and tab and type in user name and password.
[20:54] <blenderartist18> I took snapshot of an install to let me know where I was at while it installed.
[20:54] <blenderartist18> Snapshot of a real install.
[20:55] <blenderartist18> I tested the installation usb by booting my laptop with it. Works fine. So I installed openssh-server
[20:55] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: so you don't actually know it's running on the headless server
[20:56] <blenderartist18> openssh-server?
[20:56] <leftyfb> anything
[20:57] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: here's what I would suggest ...
[20:57] <blenderartist18> Well, it makes it to network-manager because my usb wifi adapter lights up only when that occurs, and it did
[20:57] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: https://urbanworkshop.net    that's a makerspace near you. I would see about dropping in and see if they can help you get a monitor and keyboard on that thing to get it up and running
[20:59] <blenderartist18> ok
[21:02] <blenderartist18> Ok, it's 4 hours north.
[21:03] <leftyfb> oh, your ip puts you in Garden Grove
[21:03] <leftyfb> what city are you in?
[21:04] <blenderartist18> San Diego
[21:05] <blenderartist18> Hey I have another idea... How about I take the usb of the headless, create a persistant hotspot and ssh through that?
[21:06] <blenderartist18> When the server boots up it should have a hotspot I can ssh through. Maybe
[21:06] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: you need to get a monitor and keyboard on it
[21:06] <blenderartist18> I have a keyboard.
[21:07] <blenderartist18> The monitor I have for it is a DisplayLink ZenScreen, but of course that should explain why I want to get inside via ssh
[21:07] <leftyfb> https://www.opensourcemakerlabs.com unfortunately, it's in Vista
[21:10] <blenderartist18> @leftyfb, hey those places sound pretty cool thanks for letting my know about them
[21:11] <blenderartist18> There was a really cool place that had a lot of Ubuntu guys and it was free in Portland Oregon
[21:11] <tomreyn> https://www.meetup.com/kernel-panic/
[21:11] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: they're makerspaces. They tend to be pretty welcoming. Technically they require a membership, some some of them are nice enough to help someone out from the community
[21:12] <blenderartist18> Well, I have to shutdown because I'm going to create a hotspot on the headless drive and boot it back up again and try to ssh that way.
[21:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: even better, though it looks like they would have to wait till March for the next meeting
[21:13] <blenderartist18> be right back
[21:13] <tomreyn> yes, looks like. though they got a mailing list, maybe someone would meet seperately
[21:38] <white_magic> can someone recommend a good way to swap CAPS and CTRL ? I tried doing so via 'gnome-tweaks' but it's very buggy (just doesn't work)
[21:47] <white_magic> damn I was wrong, it works just fine via gnome tweaks
[21:47] <white_magic> praise Ubuntu!
[22:05] <blenderartist18> @leftfb I finally ssh'd into the headless
[22:06] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: how?
[22:07] <blenderartist18> I took out the usb drive of the headless  booted it up on the laptop and created a persistent hotspot
[22:08] <blenderartist18> put it back in the headless and connected, now I have the ethernet address
[22:08] <blenderartist18> i did ip a
[22:08] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: via the 10.42.0 ip address?
[22:08] <blenderartist18> yes
[22:08] <blenderartist18> So will that help with connecting with ethernet? because I need to free up my wifi to get internet
[22:09] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: login and see what is has for ip's
[22:10] <blenderartist18> Well I can't because my laptop (I'm using now) has the wifi card set for Internet.
[22:11] <white_magic> can anyone recommend a music player that has a good, modern UI? The old school ones like Clementime are very very ill-suited for high resolution displays
[22:11] <leftyfb> !ot | white_magic
[22:11] <white_magic> leftyfb: sorry I thought that wasn't off topic
[22:11] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: so you can't leave it connected to wifi while your laptop is on wifi?
[22:12] <leftyfb> white_magic: it's not a support issue. There is no problem with ubuntu. If you want opinions on software, go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:12] <white_magic> fair point
[22:12] <blenderartist18> I don't know how to do both hotspot and wifi, I'll check though
[22:12] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: ok, nevermind, that's not likely
[22:12] <jeremy31> blenderartist18: search for create_ap
[22:12] <blenderartist18> ok
[22:13] <leftyfb> jeremy31: he's only got 1 radio on the laptop
[22:13] <jeremy31> leftyfb: create_ap will work with one, doesn't work the greatest but it does work
[22:14] <leftyfb> jeremy31: if he gets any of that wrong, he could lose connectivity to the server and internet on his laptop with no means of getting help with either
[22:15] <blenderartist18> ok, I'm not seeing anything, and what I read up on it seems a bit involved for me
[22:16] <blenderartist18> I have the link/ether for the headless ethernet device, would that help?
[22:16] <blenderartist18> It's what is listed when you issue: ip a
[22:19] <leftyfb> blenderartist18: get connected to the server with ssh -X <server_Name> . Then run nm-connection-editor   # a window for networking for the server should pop up on your laptop. Setup the ethernet connection to connect.
[22:31] <blenderartist18> I have the ethernet connected for local only
[22:38] <coXZist> good evening folks.. question.. Is there a way yo have a cd/dvd mount automatically when inserted. All the info I've found is only relevant when using a GUI. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 Server. I was only able to achieve this using a script.. but is there a native way ?
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> coXZist: Does the scrpit involve monitoring udev?
[22:39] <chris349> Currently I get the error E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[22:39] <chris349> Is there any way to have apt-get wait for the lock instead of abort?
[22:41] <RougeR> oerheks,
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> no, that would be a feature request that you would have to submit to the developers in charge of the application
[22:41] <coXZist> @pragmaticenigma.. No, its pretty hacky, just a cron script to check /dev/disk/by-label for a link every few secs.. not really practical
[22:41] <RougeR> i eat my words
[22:41] <RougeR> my fault
[22:41] <RougeR> iOllieN,
[22:42] <RougeR> layer 8 issue
[22:42] <RougeR> and slight design issue tbh
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> coXZist: I'd look up for udev... I believe you can setup triggers for specific actions. I've similar for inserting a USB to automatically mount and and execute a file command
[22:43] <coXZist> pragmaticenigma ok cool will research that...thanks
[23:55] <davr0s> join #linux
[23:55] <davr0s> oops
[23:57] <davr0s> i just did an update and "lsb_release -d" is showing me "Description:	Ubuntu Focal Fossa (development branch)",
[23:57] <davr0s> i now have a stuttering problem with nvidia drivers (everything was fine before the update) ; i tried going back to nvidia-driver-340 and the situation was the same
[23:58] <davr0s> (stuttering - 'top' shows xorg and nv_queue taking 20% cpu even when sat doing nothing. the desktop pauses periodically eg every half second. )
[23:58] <davr0s> is there a way to ask it to go back a version ?
[23:59] <davr0s> i'm about to do a fresh install on another drive, but there might be a less extreme solution
[23:59] <davr0s> anyone else had similar problems?


 and i'm trying to expand it wirelessly using a USB wi-fi adapter in vmware
[08:05] <bazhang> thought vm's used some other mode, ie not actual hardware
[08:53] <ikonia> can't count how many things are wrong with that approach
[09:07] <elky> all of them
[15:27] <Myrtti> gentle reminder of reviewing bans
[15:39] <Myrtti> especially ma.comcast bans
[16:03] <tonyyarusso> hmmm
[16:03] <tonyyarusso> @logmein
[16:03] <tonyyarusso> or something
[16:03] <tonyyarusso> @login
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> Brain.  Mush.
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> @bantracker
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> @help
[16:04] <LjL> @btlogin
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> Theeeeere it is
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[16:04] <tonyyarusso> Thank you LjL
[16:05] <tonyyarusso> I really wish there was a way to tell the bantracker that a ban was removed and it just didn't notice.
[16:06] <LjL> there might be, plenty of commands added lately (as in, in the past two years) that i don't know about
[16:07] <tsimpson> you can tell me and I can run some SQL :)
[16:08] <LjL> @tsimpson remove bans
[16:08] <tsimpson> @help clearban
[16:08] <tsimpson> that's the one
[16:09] <LjL> @tea, earl grey, hot
[21:50] <genii> I feel sorry for the guy with the keyboard issue but also find it amusing


[05:39] <map> morning
[07:10] <Myrtti> moin
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:29] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[10:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:08] <zmoylan-pi> greetings mammals
[10:08] <popey> Word.
[10:10]  * Myrtti prods Google Play
[10:10] <Myrtti> ship it, damnit
[10:14] <DJones> !shipit
[10:16] <MooDoo> Myrtti: you need some cds?
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> cd's/dvd's/wrist watches? :-p
[10:16] <Myrtti> MooDoo: no, just the Nexus 9
[10:16] <DJones> MooDoo: I doubt it, was me using the shipit factoid because she's waiting for a delivery
[10:18] <DJones> Yay, microsd cards ordered for phones & tablets
[10:22] <MooDoo> ah
[10:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:25] <MooDoo> howdy czajkowski
[10:26] <MartijnV1S> \o/ new dinner table lights
[10:26] <MartijnV1S> Thanks, IKEA
[10:27] <czajkowski> hows folks
[10:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Cliché Day! :-D
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> halloween is over and the crimbo shopping frenzy has begun...
[10:47] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, not in this house it hasn't - the birthday panic has taken over.
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> an amazon gift card... :-p
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> a pre-paid VISA card
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> nothing says you care like money :-p
[11:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: Time will tell if this a day full of clichés or not
[11:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: today is full on fail
[11:47] <foobarry> does deleting a video from my phone gallery also delete it from g+ auto backup?
[11:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: Touché
[11:50] <BigRedS> foobarry: not IME
[12:00] <foobarry> BigRedS: within the photos app it warns that it will delete everywhere
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> the nsa will keep a copy :-p
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, "FBI secretly seek legal power to hack any computer, anywhere. Don't you feel safer already?"
[12:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:03] <BigRedS> foobarry: ooh, odd. I've not seen that warning, and I'm sure I've had photos I deleted still be on the g+ backup thing
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> when i see a dozen processes hogging ram on a computer i just hope that at least 1 is working FOR me :-)
[12:04] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[12:15] <funkyHat> I think it does from the google+ photos app, but if you delete from another gallery app on your phone then g+ will keep the backup
[12:15] <funkyHat> But yeah, certain definitions of delete and all that.
[13:12] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: Yes I feel safe if they want access to my machine they are welcome, they will of course get very bored very quickly give in and move onto the next machine there are only so many isos and images of ubuntu that even the FBI would want to look at :)
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> If the FBI hack my computer I will consider that an act of breaking and entering. I will respond with all force necessary to defend myself. i.e.  The URLs still work and need plugged in maunally for the moment. I've heard tell a fix is in the pipeline (probably site scraping).
[13:32] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda sucks.
[13:33] <popey> Myrtti: already fixed upstream
[13:33] <popey> https://github.com/dinkypumpkin/get_iplayer/releases
[13:39] <foobarry> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.londonlibraries.gov.uk
[13:39] <foobarry> fail.
[13:40] <foobarry> their systems are always down
[13:41] <popey> fine here
[13:41] <popey> down4everyone says it's down, but it works
[13:44] <foobarry> down her
[13:44] <foobarry> e
[13:44] <zmoylan-pi> reddit went down for me for 2-3 mins.  something to do with dns thingy?
[13:44] <foobarry> its been down all day, maybe a routuing thing then
[13:45] <foobarry> traceroute fails after <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:56] <Myrtti> I suppose I'll have to compile it myself.
[13:57] <BigRedS> I don't think that's how reddit works
[13:57] <BigRedS> :)
[13:59] <popey> its perl, I don't think there's any compiling to do is there?
[14:00] <BigRedS> oh, get_iplayer? I thought that 'only' broke because they turned off the rss? So rewriting more than recompiling
[14:00] <bigcalm> I haven't touched get_iplayer for so many years now. It's just worked for the programmes I want to listen to. Wonder if I should update or not
[14:01] <davmor2> Azelphur: no why on earth not,  the first time they abuse the system the system will rebel against them and then it all gets shut down :)  They couldn't afford the lawsuits
[14:01] <popey> i just extracted the get_iplayer script from the zip file and put it in ~/bin
[14:01] <popey> works for me
[14:01] <Azelphur> davmor2: you mean like all the other times they've abused the system and absolutely nothing has happened
[14:02] <BigRedS> I think a simple --get --pid works, but apparently the smarter stuff doesn't because that was dependent upon RSS feeds
[14:02] <popey> yeah
[14:03] <davmor2> Azelphur: people care about their money though and Americans Sue at the drop of a hat
[14:04] <Azelphur> davmor2: nobody has taken it anywhere, even when it got to the corporate espionage the NSA are involved in.
[14:04] <Azelphur> they can and do routinely steal money, private data, etc from companies and private individuals, and very little is actually done to prevent it
[14:05] <Azelphur> same goes for bank employees too
[14:05] <Azelphur> although bank employees at least tend to get caught eventually
[14:06] <Azelphur> assuming they aren't too high up the food chain
[14:09] <foobarry> ZZ
[14:15] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Once you have enough money, you can buy the justice (and tax regualtions) you think you deserve.
[14:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:16] <Azelphur> mostly I was just pointing out that people shouldn't have the "I don't care if they look at my stuff" attitude
[14:17] <bigcalm> Updating fa7d46f..3e1f09d
[14:19] <andyc> bots
[14:19] <andyc> oops just opened xchat and this channel popped up, as you were
[14:27] <bigcalm> popey: do you have rtmpdump installed?
[14:37] <bigcalm> I'm sure I shouldn't be spending my afternoon trying to fix the dependancies on my server so that I can update packages
[14:49] <popey> i do
[14:51] <map> hi all
[14:53] <map> so tired ;[
[14:57] <bigcalm> Yay, programmes are downloading again
[14:58] <map> yay
[14:58] <map> on what
[15:05] <TwistedLucidity> get_iplayer
[15:05]  * TwistedLucidity assumes
[15:05] <SuperEngineer> map - the clue was in "programmes" rather than programs ;)
[15:06] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: oh he is getting football leaflets
[15:07] <map> =]
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> :D
[15:07] <map> i might go to a soccer ball mach tonight
[15:07] <map> not decided
[15:08] <SuperEngineer> [what's football]... The program 'football' is currently not installed.
[15:08] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:09] <map> heh
[15:09] <map> free entry is only reason id consider it
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> The program 'football' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[15:10] <TwistedLucidity> sudo apt-get install sgb
[15:10] <SuperEngineer> yeah... saw that - resisted the tempation though
[15:12] <davmor2> Well it could be a Show or Opera Leaflet I suppose if you don't like the thought of it being football :P
[15:13] <SuperEngineer> or the promme for the upcoming Led Zeppelin reunion
[15:15]  * SuperEngineer imagine various [fruitless] searches going on right now ;)
[15:18] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: Shouldn't be too hard, they already know a woman who bought a stairway to heaven right?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> davmor2,  no.  she's still "buying a stairway to heaven" last I heard
[15:31] <SuperEngineer> [perhaps "she" should try Kickstarter!]  ;)
[15:32] <MooDoo> is she from the darkest depths of mordor?
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> no, we wouldn't let her in - you should have the insults!
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> ...all the talk was "buy this, buy that, buy a carpet, buy a stairway to heaven".... we're only here for the peace & quiet!
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> What's SMPlayer for Youtube is really for - downloading Jono Bacon's "Dealing With Disrespect"
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> [next instalment - translating bad grammar on IRC]  ;)
[15:54]  * SuperEngineer refers to self there
[16:11] <Myrtti> \o/ They've shipped it \o/
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> stupid question, where is aldeshot in the uk?
[16:38] <foobarry> roughly?
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> aldershot*
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> yeah
[16:38] <foobarry> surrey, nr guildford/woking/farnham
[16:38] <foobarry> army town
[16:38] <vad3rman1156> hmm my tab s is there
[16:39] <Myrtti> at 8.30 o'clock if London is the centre
[16:39] <vad3rman1156> Myrtti: ?
[16:39] <Myrtti> or 7.30
[16:39] <vad3rman1156> huh?
[16:39] <davmor2> vad3rman1156: maps.google.com maybe
[16:40] <vad3rman1156> google won't load :/
[16:40] <Myrtti> vad3rman1156: put london in the middle, then smack an analogue watch face on it. Zoom out, you'll see Aldershot in the lower left quadrant of that watch face.
[16:41] <Myrtti> ie. south west from Londond.
[16:41] <Myrtti> -d
[16:41] <popey> vad3rman1156: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/269754#map=17/51.24650/-0.76061
[16:42] <vad3rman1156> oh thanks
[16:49] <bigcalm> Does this read well? "I believe that it is Lyndsey John with whom this matter should be discussed."
[16:50] <bigcalm> Or even correctly?
[16:51] <foobarry> sort of
[16:51] <foobarry> i would probably word it differently
[16:51] <foobarry> more directly
[16:52] <bigcalm> I don't know if it's that lady that the matter should be discussed with
[16:52] <foobarry> then... I believe Lyndsey John may be the person to contact regarding this matter?
[16:52] <vad3rman1156> ^much better
[16:53] <bigcalm> Fair enough, ta
[16:54] <bigcalm> I've cc'd her, just in case :)
[16:55] <Myrtti> "oops" http://gizmodo.com/report-a-flaw-in-visas-contactless-card-lets-anyone-ch-1653974432
[16:55] <bigcalm> Yay
[16:55] <bigcalm> So glad I don't have any such cards
[16:58] <Myrtti> I don't either, but I already have a purse that blocks it
[16:58] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JCCD0SG
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> just a standard lead lining would deal with skimming wireless cards and a few unwitting muggers :-)
[17:28] <DJones> Strange, just booted into my bios, according to that my laptop has something akin to Herpes, Direct quote from bios "Windows Licence - STD", may just be me, but "STD" has a pretty obvious and unwelcome association
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> maybe you have symantec antivirus installed? :-)
[17:30] <DJones> In bios?
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> i wouldn't trust symantec at all these days :-p
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> Symantec Transmitted Disease???
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> http://fabsh.com/last-stand/  [sad news]
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> just popped into #sixgun for first time in a year, down to 50 folk
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> 563 actually - & I'm proud to be one of those
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> whoops [meant to type 53]
[17:46] <SuperEngineer> [wishful thinking
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> http://danlynch.org/blog/2014/11/nothing-lasts-forever/
[20:50] <bigcalm> http://imgur.com/gallery/Pa3gL
[20:52] <popey> hmm, i expected photos of an ikea bookshelf unit
[21:03] <bigcalm> popey: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/isi4g7zvw2fdci6/AABwuTh1A8MvvP-soezjCAvZa
[21:03] <bigcalm> popey: just erected
[21:03] <popey> nice floor
[21:04] <popey> i spy virgin cable connection
[21:04] <bigcalm> You spy correctly
[21:04] <bigcalm> Floor is okay, I prefer carpets. At least we have a nice rug now
[21:07] <daftykins> :D
[21:07] <daftykins> yeah i've taken to permanently wearing socks to combat wooden floor and tiled cold
[21:07] <bigcalm> We wear slippers at home
[21:09] <daftykins> never been a fan personally :)
[21:10] <Myrtti> rugs > carpets
[21:16] <directhex> EXPEDIT!
[21:17] <directhex> they don't do those anymore.
[21:21] <popey> yeah, i have 3 pairs of slippers I never wear
[21:22] <daftykins> popey: in-laws christmas presents? :D
[21:23] <popey> heh
[21:24] <popey> one of them, yes
[21:24] <popey> I tend to be barefoot or socks (if I remember to put them on) around the house
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of tux slippers perhaps? :-)
[21:26] <popey> nope ☻
[21:27] <bigcalm> Hayley has a foot phobia, so sockless if not an option
[21:29] <popey> wat wat
[21:29] <bigcalm> In the ...
[21:40] <bigcalm> Time to shop at Tesco :D
[21:41] <popey> we just did that
[21:41] <popey> \o/ online shopping
[21:42] <bigcalm> Working from home means going shopping is a chance to escape
[21:42] <popey> haha
[21:43] <bigcalm> Lets try not to buy any doughnuts this time
[21:44] <popey> mmmm forbidden doughnuts
[21:44] <popey> http://drool.popey.com/
[21:54] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2014/11/03/new-challenges-and-adventure-awaits/  \o/
[22:01] <popey> -!- andylockran<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [DISGUSTED]
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> tescos do a nice custard donut
[22:03] <daftykins> czajkowski: good luck in the new role, ma'am
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> congrats czajkowski
[22:06] <czajkowski> thanks
[22:06] <czajkowski> popey: oh was that me ?
[22:07] <popey> hehe, no ☻
[22:13] <czajkowski> popey: what new laptop have you gone with ?
[22:13] <czajkowski> see if you can save me time doing research :)
[22:13] <popey> czajkowski: I haven't yet.
[22:13] <czajkowski> bah
[22:14] <czajkowski> oh could get a XPS 13 direct fro dell with Ubuntu on it
[22:17] <daftykins> Do Dell refer to 14.04 now?
[22:18] <popey> i think the xps13 still ships with 12.04
[22:18] <popey> czajkowski: yeah, that machine is on my list
[22:18] <czajkowski> 12.04
[22:18] <czajkowski> aye
[22:18] <daftykins> ugh
[22:18] <popey> also the thinkpad t440s is also on the list
[22:19] <popey> the touch one
[22:19] <popey> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/
[22:19] <daftykins> my problem with Lenovo is their whitelisting of wifi cards and so on :(
[22:19] <daftykins> but then you just make sure you get a good one to start with ;)
[22:20] <popey> i can see why they do it
[22:20] <popey> silly regulations
[22:20] <daftykins> how's that?
[22:21] <popey> they get the entire device fcc certified
[22:21] <popey> device + antenna
[22:21] <popey> not just the device
[22:21] <popey> the theory being they assure it's fcc certified if approved wifi device is used with matched antennal
[22:21] <popey> -l
[22:22] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:22] <daftykins> popey: this old macbook i mentioned, did you say you know of someone running ubuntu on such a device? curious how they might overcome the touchpad woes
[22:22] <popey> no, he runs osx
[22:22] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:22] <popey> an aged black macbook
[22:22] <daftykins> :D
[22:23] <popey> very cool looking device, i can see why he keeps it
[22:23] <daftykins> they seem pretty darn sturdy
[22:23] <popey> yeah
[22:23] <popey> i want thinkpad guts inside one of those cases
[22:24] <brobostigon> powerpc or x86?
[22:24] <daftykins> you may want to mute this one https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvehuk00lweboou/VID_20141031_212154.mp4?dl=0
[22:24] <daftykins> a notification came in whilst i was recording XD
[22:24] <popey> pretty
[22:24] <daftykins> brobostigon: x86, intel macs
[22:25] <brobostigon> daftykins: ah, i see
[22:25] <daftykins> that's 14.04 booting on an SSD in a late 2007 core 2 duo macbook
[22:25] <popey> pretty quick to login screen
[22:25] <daftykins> yeah :) it's a pretty rubbish SSD too
[22:25] <popey> heh
[22:25] <daftykins> some sandisk that came out of a friends samsung 9 series ultrabook
[22:26] <daftykins> ooh more heavy rain
[22:26] <daftykins> shame £90 for a battery and £50 for a mains adapter kind of makes it not worth fixing up
[22:29] <czajkowski> popey: any idea on battery life for the Xps?
[22:29] <popey> dunno, ask laura cowen, she has one
[22:29] <czajkowski> ah good to know
[22:29] <czajkowski> really do not want a mac
[22:31] <popey> heh
[22:33]  * brobostigon says "blaspheme" in a dalek like voice.
[22:33] <daftykins> judging by the macbook, it looks difficult to get a keyboard map that the keyboard properly matches
[22:34] <daftykins> so sticking to OS X seems easiest, which i detest :)
[22:34] <brobostigon> try darwin, or netbsd, :)
[22:35] <daftykins> naaaah i doubt one could get anything done with those
[22:35] <brobostigon> why? both run normal sw, xorg, etc, why not.
[22:35] <daftykins> i don't run desktop Linux at all.
[22:36] <daftykins> on my daily drivers, that is
[22:36] <brobostigon> i spend half my days in haiku now.
[22:37] <czajkowski> ohh Karen Gillian is on a new show. first I've seen of her since Doctor Who
[22:37] <brobostigon> only things i really used debian for now, are SL, MC and openoffice.
[22:37] <brobostigon> use*
[22:37] <brobostigon> including on servers and rpi.
[22:38] <brobostigon> and ubuntu server, also.
[22:39] <brobostigon> however in theory haiku could run MC, as it does have a stable port of openjdk.
[22:40] <BigRedS> Ah, I was just wondering what MC was. I assumed it wasn't midnight commander :) Minecraft, presumably?
[22:40] <brobostigon> yes, minecraft
[22:41] <brobostigon> although, they do have a midnight commander port.
[22:43] <directhex> brobostigon, but does it have a stable port of lwjgl?
[22:43] <brobostigon> directhex: i do not know, not that i have seen.
[23:07] <daftykins> on a completely off topic note, has anyone noticed vodafone getting worse and worse in the UK for mobile phone reception?
[23:08] <daftykins> a client has a business contract and seems to be getting ever decreasing quality of service from vodafone
[23:33] <popey> BED TIME!
[23:34] <shauno> but muuuuum
[23:34] <popey> I doubt jaiku will run minecraft
[23:34] <popey> there's platform specific binary chunks


[08:42] <hyperair> is anyone noticing notify-osd place notifications in in the middle-right portion of the screen
[08:50] <mac_v> hyperair: are you subscribed to ayatana mail?
[08:50] <mac_v> ;)
[08:50] <hyperair> eh no i'm not
[08:50] <hyperair> why?
[08:50] <mac_v> hyperair: thats a new "Feature"
[08:50] <hyperair> ..what?
[08:52] <mac_v> MacSlow: just a small doubt , how are the bubbles classified? the ones over the line and the ones below the line? is it user triggered and non-user-triggered?
[08:52] <mac_v> hyperair: yup a feature
[08:52] <hyperair> this looks pretty annoying.
[08:52] <mac_v> hyperair: take it to the man ;)
[08:53] <hyperair> i didn't really like removing them actions on notifications, but at least that was tolerable
[08:53] <hyperair> this is *ridiculous*
[08:53] <MacSlow> mac_v, atm the sync. notifications appear above the "half line" and async. ones below it
[08:54] <mac_v> hmm...
[08:54] <hyperair> it looks like it's floating in the middle of nowhere.
[08:54]  * mac_v checks notify-osd wiki for sync and async difference
[08:55] <hyperair> imo, i have text in the middle of the screen more often than at the corner
[08:55] <MacSlow> mac_v, synchronous bubble = feedback bubble
[08:55] <MacSlow> mac_v, e.g. like screen-brightness, volume etc.
[08:56] <mac_v> MacSlow: so those are usually user triggered right? except for switching from DC to AC , which is actually user triggered
[08:56] <mac_v> the async are just mail/wireless notifications and stuff
[08:56] <MacSlow> mac_v, correct
[08:56] <mac_v> MacSlow: ah... thanx :)
[08:57] <mac_v> hyperair: if you are irritated you *need* to discuss this in ayatana mailing list and convince sabdfl
[08:57] <hyperair> maybe i will.
[08:58] <hyperair> i still have to read through that entire thread first
[10:37] <Michalxo> hello MacSlow . What is going to happen with notifications?
[10:39] <MacSlow> Michalxo, could be a bit more specific with your question?
[10:40] <Michalxo> that irritating middle section.. will you move it to top/bottom right or are you going to keep it as it is now?
[10:40] <Michalxo> I like notifications very much, but that middle is *yuck*
[10:43] <mac_v> Michalxo: you need to express your dissent to ayatana mailing list
[10:44] <Michalxo> ok thank you :)
[10:45] <mac_v> Michalxo: the discussion has already started against the position , but awaiting a bigger response to revert to top
[10:46] <Michalxo> well.. few of us has already "signed" this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/419894
[10:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 419894 in notify-osd "notify-osd images appear at the middle right of screen" [Undecided,Invalid]
[10:47] <mac_v> Michalxo: oh... didnt notice that bug , kindly add that bug in your response too :)
[10:47] <MacSlow> Michalxo, be sure to read the "New notification placement" thread there.
[10:47] <Michalxo> ayatana seems to be "down"? I can't connect to server
[10:48] <Michalxo> ok thank you very much guys :)
[10:48] <MacSlow> Michalxo, in http://macslow.net/?p=381 I explicitly wrote "experiment with centering bubbles vertically ..."
[10:50] <Michalxo> well.. I think I missed that.. but at first we thought it's a bug :)
[11:05] <Michalxo> silly questoin.. how can I respond on that mailing list?
[11:06] <Michalxo> I am not in any subscribed team...
[11:14] <shakaran> Micahlxo: Go to https://launchpad.net/~ayatana, near to "Members" section, click on "join the team"
[11:21] <Michalxo> ahaaa :)
[12:10]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[13:03] <hyperair> what's the ayatana list address?
[13:05] <kholerabbi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think
[13:05] <hyperair> alright, thanks
[13:06]  * hyperair is *very* annoyed with the new notify-osd behaviour
[13:07] <hyperair> because some people appear to have in the top right corner, notify-osd now renders its notifications in the middle, right of the screen, as if i don't have things there >=(
[13:07] <hyperair> so much for staying out of my way. it's not blocking everything i do, from emails to terminals to web pages, among other things
[13:08] <hyperair> ugh
[13:11] <hyperair> hmm wait, there's already a thread about it
[13:16] <hyperair> MacSlow: what do you think about the new notifications position, honestly?
[13:18] <mac_v> hyperair: everyone agrees they need to be back on top , but Mark is waiting for dissent from a lot of users , so pls show dissent ;)
[13:18] <mac_v> hyperair: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00557.html
[13:18] <hyperair> mac_v: i'm afraid i might not be able to keep a civil tone if/when i do begin showing dissent.
[13:19] <mac_v> hehe , we need to try :)
[13:19] <MacSlow> hyperair, I like it better (because it revmoves a bit of complexity from the code, if stays like that) :)
[13:19]  * mac_v > reboot
[13:19] <hyperair> heh
[13:20] <hyperair> but it now gets in my way without fail :-(
[13:20] <hyperair> i have thunderbird in its three-pane layout mode, and hence the email contents are all squashed in the right side
[13:20] <hyperair> now, when a  notification appaers, it completely blocks a few rows of text
[13:22] <hyperair> after my previous rant here, i was trying to keep an open mind about it, but when that happened while i was reading my mail, it seriously got on my nerves.
[13:22] <MacSlow> hyperair, I move the mouse over it and it fades
[13:22] <hyperair> MacSlow: yes, good idea. move your mouse over it. but there's another bug in that.
[13:22] <hyperair> MacSlow: have you tried having an entire *queue* of notifications?
[13:22] <hyperair> leave your mouse over it, and see what happens when the next notification comes in
[13:23] <hyperair> the new notification doesn't fade, and now i have to keep moving my mouse every time a new notification comes in
[13:23] <MacSlow> for that case we're considering to skip the initial fade-prevention
[13:24] <hyperair> i still find it annoying that it gets in my way. =\
[13:24] <hyperair> just fyi, when i'm programming, i generally have a two-paned editor
[13:24] <hyperair> when a notification comes in, it completely blocks my view of the file on the right.
[13:25] <hyperair> and when you're using something like emacs or vim, chances are that one of the reasons you're using it is *because* you don't want to touch your mouse.
[13:26] <shakaran> I have a question. Why not make a GUI where the user can choose?
[13:27] <shakaran> Just a window with a dropdown list for the position. Many people would welcome this.
[13:27] <hyperair> yeah, i'm rather curious about that as well
[13:27] <mac_v> shakaran: why dont you ask on the ML? or MacSlow you wanna answer that ;p
[13:28] <shakaran> I do not mean that ML
[13:28] <mac_v> shakaran: hyperair: repeating from yesterday  "if keep saying perfs MacSlow will strangle you ;)"
[13:29] <mac_v> ML= mailinglist
[13:29] <hyperair> mac_v: perfs?
[13:29] <mac_v> user preference for changing the position
[13:30] <hyperair> mac_v: and i'd say bring it on. i'm going to need someone to strange if notify-osd stays like this.
[13:30] <hyperair> strangle*
[13:30] <mac_v> lol
[13:30] <mac_v> its a tough coding , but sure coding help is welcome from all sources :)
[13:31]  * mac_v wonders what he has to do with notify-osd anyway and shuts up
[13:32]  * hyperair stamps "User" on mac_v's forehead
[13:32] <shakaran> Some users have made to customize the color patches, I've also seen patches to restore the former position
[13:33] <mac_v> correction  "notify-osd User" ;)
[13:33] <hyperair> heh
[13:33] <shakaran> well, customization is needed
[13:34] <shakaran> If you give it to the users, you have more users and the more important thing, good desktop experience
[13:35]  * hyperair nods
[13:35] <hyperair> it would be nice to be able to customize notify-osd even if gconf-editor needs to be used
[13:36] <hyperair> also it appears that i now get two updates available icons
[13:36] <hyperair> fun.
[13:36] <shakaran> or a simple file, only give the option
[13:36] <hyperair> too hackish
[13:37] <shakaran> well, I have to write this on ML for the record?
[13:37] <hyperair> go ahead, imo
[13:37] <hyperair> and while you're at it, please post a post dripping with sarcasm about the whole change in position on my behalf.
[13:37] <hyperair> sarcasm being the most important ingredient.
[13:38] <hyperair> don't quote me, though
[13:38] <shakaran> dont respect is more important
[13:38] <hyperair> ?
[13:39] <hyperair> nono respect is important. be very polite
[13:39] <shakaran> Sarcasm is not a good way to ask for things.
[13:40] <hyperair> dissent needs to be shown ;)
[13:40]  * hyperair shuts up before he leads anybody astray
[13:56] <MacSlow> mac_v, shakaran, hyperair: I really don't like preferences in general... it is usually a sign that interaction-design failed or missed something... furthermore it makes code more complex, in order to avoid or intercept "stupid" inputs.
[13:57] <hyperair> MacSlow: but lack of preferences makes software rigid and takes away freedom of choice, somewhat
[13:57] <shakaran> yeah notify-osd is being rigid more and more
[13:57] <MacSlow> mac_v, shakaran, hyperair: and once you start to move in that direction, the tendency is to have people tweak the s**t out of things... just look at the gazillion options you can tweak in compiz and its plugins
[13:58] <hyperair> MacSlow: you're looking at an extreme case.
[13:58] <MacSlow> hyperair, shakaran: finding the right balance here is the "art" I guess.
[13:58] <hyperair> imo just a little bit of tweaking would be nice
[13:58] <shakaran> yes, but your balance for now is zero prefs
[13:58] <mac_v> MacSlow: i really dont care much for prefs  , but would be fun to have , just bling for me...
[13:59] <shakaran> if the people make a lot patch for prefs you could include in the official branch
[14:00] <MacSlow> shakaran, there is some work for gconf in the pipe already... but it'll take some time before I can turn to that.
[14:01] <hyperair> hmm nice
[14:01] <shakaran> Well, it's a start
[14:01] <hyperair> actually i don't really care about prefs as long as it works nicely for me (and appearing in the middle of my screen is *not* nice.
[14:03] <ScottK> MacSlow: Unless you assume everyone is the same and uses a computer the same way, I don't see how preferences are avoidable.  It's not just getting design right.
[14:06] <MacSlow> ScottK, some tweaks will be possible (afore mentioned gconf work) I just stated my general/personal view on the topic... and the ultimate goal of interaction-design (ok it's a bit utopian :)
[14:06] <hyperair> we'd all have to be clones of each other for one size to fit all
[14:07] <ScottK> Unfortunately, at least so far, the lack of configurability has been the source of a lot of resistance from people.  I'd care a lot less about default config if things could be changed to suit.
[14:07] <tgpraveen1> MacSlow: does the ppa of notify-osd for jaunty have vertical placement of notifications
[14:07] <MacSlow> tgpraveen1, I don't know which PPA you're talking about. I did not create one.
[14:11] <LordMetroid> How do I join the mailing list?
[14:11] <LordMetroid> I want to send a message
[14:12] <hyperair> launchpad.net/~ayatana
[14:15] <LordMetroid> There we go
[14:16] <LordMetroid> thank you
[14:23] <mac_v> lololol , notify-osd is creating more interest than the update notifier ;p
[15:01] <Mark__T> tedg: ping
[15:04] <tedg> Good morning Mark__T
[15:16] <zoomy942> good morning
[15:55] <Mark__T> tedg: I get 'undefined symbol: indicate_indicator_set_property_icon' with pidgin-libnotify 0.14
[15:56] <Mark__T> I guess my indicator patches aren't up to date
[15:58] <Mark__T> anyway, gtg
[15:59] <tedg> Ah, he left.
[15:59] <tedg> Yes, you need libindicate-gtk...
[15:59] <tedg> If someone sees him tomorrow... can you mention that?
[15:59] <tedg> kenvandine: Do you know Mark__T's mail by chance?
[16:00] <kenvandine><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:08] <tedg> kenvandine: Thanks, mail sent.
[16:18] <mac_v> hm... weird, the messaging menu , indicates a new message and as soon as i access evolution via the menu , it changes to regular icon , even when mail is not read... is that the design ? or a bug?
[16:18] <mac_v> on the contrary if i access from evolution from the window list , the indication does not change
[16:19] <mac_v> *access evolution from
[16:19] <tedg> mac_v: It should change back no mater how you select evolution.
[16:20] <mac_v> tedg: nope it does not , i checked several times , selecting from the window list does not change the status , [oh i'm using cairo-dock , would that have something to do?]
[16:20] <tedg> mac_v: Shouldn't.  File a bug in evolution-indicator if there isn't one already.
[16:21] <mac_v> hmm... ok
[16:22] <mac_v> actually i think the indication should change only when all the mail is read , not simply on selecting the app ;) so i'm gonna let this bug stay ;p
[16:23] <mac_v> BTW tedg ,what is the icon indicator-red gonna be used for?
[16:24] <tedg> mac_v: I'm not aware of an indicator-red...  where is it?
[16:24] <tedg> Infact, I don't have it on my system :)
[16:25] <mac_v> tedg: .. humanity icon theme has a new 3rd icon , indicator-messages-red
[16:25] <mac_v> since that icon theme is directed heavily by sabdfl , i was wondering maybe new feature :)
[16:26] <tgpraveen1> already in feature  freeze
[16:27] <tgpraveen1> so unlikely
[16:27] <tgpraveen1> mac_v: btw mind uploading the icor  a ss
[16:27] <tgpraveen1> icon or SS
[16:27] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: that was there a long before
[16:27] <tgpraveen1> ohok
[16:27] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: SS?
[16:27] <tgpraveen1> screen shot
[16:28] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: just do ~$ bzr branch lp:humanity
[16:29] <mac_v> by long before i mean around 1-2 weeks :)
[16:45] <tgpraveen1> hi i wanted to know what was decided for notification for fullscreen apps
[16:45] <tgpraveen1> how will it be handled in karmic i rmeember a long discussion taking place
[16:46] <tgpraveen1> what is the final decision?
[16:49] <natewiebe13> probably asked too many times.. but what is the status of notify-osd? (is it being changed back to the top or is there going to be an option as to the location?)
[16:54] <natewiebe13> anyone?
[17:03] <MacSlow> tgpraveen1, from what I remember the IM-status should be used to determine if or if not to suppress non-critical/urgent notifications.
[17:04] <MacSlow> gee... some folks are impatient
[17:06] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I don't know what it is
[17:06] <DanRabbit> it was in Human so I just made one ;D
[17:07] <mac_v> DanRabbit: yeah , some knows what it is for but who ?
[17:07] <mac_v> ;p
[17:07] <mac_v> someone*
[17:07] <DanRabbit> haha
[17:07] <DanRabbit> I bet ken put it in there just to make us freak out
[17:08] <mac_v> kenvandine: booo  ,
[17:08] <mac_v> any ideas what the icon indicator-messages-red is for?
[17:08] <kenvandine> away
[17:08] <kenvandine> i assume
[17:08] <DanRabbit> mac_v: I named it wrong :)
[17:09] <DanRabbit> it's supposed to be new-messages-red
[17:09] <kenvandine> oh
[17:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: booo to you too!
[17:10] <DanRabbit> haha, see I have no idea what I'm doing :)
[17:10] <mac_v> DanRabbit: i confused tedg with the wrong label
[17:10] <DanRabbit> I just draw things
[17:11] <mac_v> DanRabbit: btw.. interested in drawing an icon for Software store?
[17:11] <mac_v> or hands already full ;p
[17:11] <DanRabbit> Software Store?
[17:12] <mac_v> app center = software store
[17:12] <mac_v> DanRabbit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore/Icons
[17:13] <DanRabbit> oh
[17:13] <DanRabbit> cool
[17:13] <DanRabbit> the little store ones are cute, but it doesn't really look like anything :D
[17:14] <mac_v> yeah i too think its cute , just needs a bit of touch up
[17:15] <DanRabbit> too much detail for a small space
[17:15] <DanRabbit> plus, optical media
[17:15] <DanRabbit> we don't use optical media
[17:15] <DanRabbit> it's going away
[17:15] <DanRabbit> so those icons are going to have to go away pretty soon :)
[17:18] <mac_v> DanRabbit: the progress icon is in the branch , they are jsut figuring a way to animate it ;) , the rest are still open to ideas
[17:18] <mac_v> just*
[17:18] <DanRabbit> sweet :D
[17:18] <DanRabbit> yea, the progress looks goof
[17:18] <DanRabbit> good*
[17:18] <mac_v> goofy? ;0
[17:18] <DanRabbit> I meant to put good :)
[17:22]  * mac_v was just teasing ;)
[17:33] <DanRabbit> mac_v: hmm, I'll think about it
[17:34] <DanRabbit> right now I can't think of anything better than the generic package installer icon I have now  :)
[17:34] <mac_v> DanRabbit: me too , totally blank :(
[21:19] <Mark__T> tedg: so what can I do to make pidgin-notify work again?
[21:21] <tedg> Mark__T: You just need to add "indicator-gtk" to the PKG_CONFIG check.
[21:21] <tedg> Mark__T: Sorry, indicate-gtk
[21:21] <Mark__T> okay thx
[21:22] <Mark__T> can't try before monday though
[21:22] <tedg> Mark__T: Oh, and probably a "#include <libindicate-gtk/indicator.h>"
[21:25] <Mark__T> will you ship these new splitup packages with 09.10?
[21:53] <tedg> Mark__T, yes.
[21:53]  * tedg misses jabber.
[22:16] <djsiegel_> mrooney|w: hey, can you try to find where this bug belongs? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/387791
[22:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 387791 in hundredpapercuts ""Do not disconnect" and "ok to disconnect" device notifications should not use the same icon" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:16] <mrooney|w> Surely!
[22:16] <mrooney|w> Want to unsubscribe papercutters from all papercut bugs? ;)
[22:27] <djsiegel_> mrooney|w: hmm?