[05:06] <makisupa> It a generic USB 2.0 24X10X40 CDRW.  I think the bios show it as an ACER something, but the box was I/0 magic I believe.  Probably the worst hardware manufacturer on the planet :)  It was a gift.
[05:06] <yahalom> CarlK, ok. thanx man. Rather not have to deal with this :(
[05:06] <henke> bob2, ahh. thank you
[05:06] <makisupa> D'oh
[05:06] <Seveas> othernoob, the packages in multiverse are merly metapackages
[05:06] <Seveas> they drag in restricted-modules too
[05:06] <Seveas> bob2, ack
[05:07] <Ligald> hello
[05:07] <yaaar> word
[05:07] <bob2> othernoob: I don't see any kernels in restricted at all
[05:07] <CarlK> yahalom - if you have trouble booting the CD, 2 options: add a few lines to your grub menu.lst that will then make grub boot the CD, or make a SBM floppy that will "boot anything" (both are handy know how to do)
[05:07] <bob2> othernoob: there are lots of kernel modules, though
[05:08] <CarlK> yahalom - but if you don't need it now, it isn't that fun, so just keep it in mind for when you do need it ;)
[05:08] <yahalom> CarlK, it boot the cd, it booted ubuntu :) what is an sbm floppy?
[05:08] <othernoob> bob2: possible that i just mixed that up
[05:08] <jeroen_> makisupa, it's not working anymore, my jackrabbit
[05:08] <yahalom> CarlK, if i change in bios to load up the cd, then i shouldnt even have to touch grub right?
[05:08] <CarlK> well, it didn't boot the CD.... Smart Boot Manager - scans your hardware, gives you a menu of boot devices and boots one
[05:09] <CarlK> yahalom - correct, but like I said, not all Boxes will boot all CD's right
[05:09] <yahalom> CarlK, is it in apt?
[05:09] <henke> bob2, I can see why people are told not to use breezy ;)
[05:09] <bob2> henke: heh
[05:09] <CarlK> yahalom - dont think so .. just a sec..
[05:09] <yahalom> CarlK, ok ;)
[05:09] <toonX> what do i need to install in order to see quick time on Ubuntu?
[05:10] <bob2> toonX: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <thenuke> whoa, I typed in "apt-get --purge remove postfix"  and it removed something like anacron, at, lsb and many others :P Aren't those thing needed =)
[05:10] <toonX> bob2, k thanks
[05:11] <thotypous> hi
[05:11] <othernoob> bob2: what are the linux-image-xxxx 's ?
[05:11] <bob2> thenuke: yes, that's why apt said "REALLY do this?" before doing it
[05:11] <Seveas> thenuke, yes, and they all depend on having an MTA installed
[05:11] <CarlK> yahalom - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[05:11] <caffinated> is it possible to upgrade from the regular x86 version of hoary to the AMD64 version without having to redo the entire installation?
[05:12] <thenuke> bob2: ok, how should I remove postfix then?
[05:12] <CarlK> yahalom - the SBM floppy will give you the option of installing itself on the Hard Drive - I don't think you want that, so avoid it
[05:12] <bob2> thenuke: you shouldn't remove it
[05:12] <yahalom> CarlK, thanx mna.
[05:12] <Seveas> thenuke, you should leave it installed or install another mailserver
[05:12] <bob2> thenuke: what are you trying to acheive?
[05:13] <thenuke> bob2: I dont need it
[05:13] <yahalom> CarlK, the box i'm referring to does boot from cd, so that isnt an issue right?
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, your system does
[05:13] <Seveas> thenuke, but anacron/at etc do need it..
[05:13] <thenuke> wdh: it does not need postfix
[05:13] <thenuke> uff
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, it needs an MTA
[05:13] <wdh> thenuke, if you remove postfix, you should install another MTA
[05:13] <thenuke> argh.. they do send mail to my local account with it?
[05:13] <Seveas> thenuke, they do...
[05:13] <thenuke> I mean that does
[05:13] <CarlK> yahalom - yes, but it sounds like you were having trouble booting from cd
[05:14] <bob2> thenuke: yes, cron needs some way to talk to you
[05:14] <thenuke> did not come to think of that before
[05:14] <nalioth> howdy
[05:14] <littleworm> is it possible to do that when i'll write "tomer" for example it will lunch a program that i want?
[05:14] <yahalom> CarlK, no no problem. havent tried it yet. i thought i would have problems.
[05:14] <bob2> thenuke: you can install ssmtp or something if you really don't want postfix
[05:14] <thenuke> Now I wonder what I did broke with that removal of postfix :P
[05:14] <bob2> littleworm: you mean, make an alias?
[05:15] <Kumar> Hi all, what packages are on the 5.04 cd ? How much i need to dl to set up useful system (desctop, mmedia, gcc...) ?
[05:15] <bob2> thenuke: it will have uninstalled anything that cared
[05:15] <CarlK> yahalom - if you want to have total boot fun, check out http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[05:15] <thenuke> I tried apt-get install ubuntu-base to fix those :P
[05:15] <littleworm> maybe, what's an alias?
[05:15] <bob2> Kumar: it has all that stuff
[05:15] <Seveas> Kumar, you might need only things mentioned on the RestrictedFormats wikipage
[05:15] <yahalom> CarlK, l :)
[05:15] <CarlK> yahalom - the only things I boot from now are LAN, or if the box wont boot fromt he lan, a flopply that makes it boot from the lan
[05:16] <yahalom> yay i got my ubuntu cds
[05:16] <littleworm> what's an alias?
[05:16] <CarlK> and then all my "boot floppy" stuff are images on the server
[05:16] <thenuke> bob2:  hmmm.. I have removed postfix from my server too.. and I get mail from cron and such
[05:16] <bob2> thenuke: some other mta is running then
[05:17] <thenuke> bob2: can't see any :o
[05:17] <littleworm> bob2: what's an alias?
[05:17] <bob2> littleworm: nevermind
[05:17] <littleworm> so how do i do that?
[05:18] <littleworm> is it possible to do that when i'll write "tomer" in the terminal for example it will lunch a program that i want?
[05:18] <Seveas> littleworm, in a terminal: alias tomer=the_program arg1 arg2 etc
[05:18] <thenuke> bob2: http://hero.mooo.com/users/thenuke/ps_aux.txt    if you can see any MTA :)
[05:18] <littleworm> thx
[05:18] <bob2> Seveas: you need to quote that
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: are you there ?
[05:19] <bob2> thenuke: it doesn't have to be a daemon
[05:19] <fabbione> martii: i am busy right now
[05:19] <thenuke> bob2: oh
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: just short Q
[05:19] <martii> fabbione: psmouse.c problems with kernel 2.6 and KVM switch
[05:20] <Kumar> Seveas, bob2, thx
[05:20] <CarlK> martii - I have 2 kvm's - what kind of problem?
[05:20] <martii> CarlK: after I switch to another conosle
[05:20] <martii> CarlK: it complains about lost sync and mouse get's crazy
[05:21] <CarlK> martii - I have seen that.  I 'think' it is a hardware problme
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: is that amd64?
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: I think it's kernel
[05:21] <nickrud> thenuke, there's probably a better way, but in aptitude, search for mail-transport-agent. that'll tell you what's providing it
[05:21] <martii> fabbione: yep
[05:21] <fabbione> CarlK: it's both
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: i have a fix for it... 2.6.12rc5
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: SuSe has patched
[05:21] <martii> CarlK: kernel
[05:21] <martii> fabbione: ok where can I download it
[05:21] <fabbione> the problem appears with amd64 that don't have HPET support
[05:21] <fabbione> martii: tomorrow from archive.u.c
[05:22] <fabbione> i am tagging the release now :)
[05:22] <martii> fabbione: hmmm ok
[05:22] <fabbione> well also.. it come out this morning.. so i just needed a few hours to build/test it
[05:22] <theine> fabbione, do you have updated ipw2100 drivers in there as well?
[05:22] <fabbione> so don't be too impatience :)
[05:22] <martii> fabbione: so there is no Using psmouse.proto=bare in grub solution ?
[05:22] <fabbione> martii: dunno
[05:22] <fabbione> theine: yes
[05:23] <martii> fabbione: ok no problem I have USB mouse attached too and it works ok
[05:23] <theine> fabbione, great
[05:23] <martii> fabbione: problem is that it's confusing to have 2 mouses ;)
[05:23] <CarlK> fabbione, martii - do you know how to make it fail with the current hoary or breezy?
[05:23] <fabbione> CarlK: fail what?
[05:23] <CarlK> fabbione - kvm/mouse freak out
[05:23] <fabbione> no idea
[05:24] <fabbione> it works here
[05:25] <CarlK> I would offer to test, but kinda pointless if I can't get it to break with the current (unfixed)
[05:25] <fabbione> CarlK: it happens only in a few cases.. it's not constantly reproducible
[05:25] <fabbione> and it has been fixed in 2.6.12
[05:25] <CarlK> I do know the box that it has happened on recently
[05:25] <fabbione> so it's pointless to get crazy
[05:25] <CarlK> ok
[05:26] <nalioth> how are we doing today? an 18 wheeler already tried to run over me this morning....such is the life of a taxi driver
[05:28] <martii> CarlK: what do you mean by make it fail
[05:28] <martii> CarlK: it fails with 5.04 from the beggining
[05:28] <nickrud> hi, nalioth, my day begins with getting a van towed 60 miles, and hopefully fixed in time for this after noon run :)
[05:28] <slimb> nalioth not so bad :)  although i have yet to head to work
[05:29] <nalioth> nickrud: what a way to save gasoline    :P
[05:29] <CarlK> martii - it failed for me 2 times in the last few weeks, I didn't do anything but reboot the box, no problems now
[05:29] <nickrud> nalioth, har har
[05:35] <abisen> i want to try ubuntu but i am a KDE person and am not clear how kubuntu and ubuntu works... i mean should i install ubuntu and then install kbuntu or KDE on top of it
[05:35] <Seveas> abisen, you can download a kubuntu .iso too
[05:36] <slimb> kubuntu comes with KDE installed - easiest way
[05:36] <yahalom> man...i need to copy a cd with nautilus, no way?
[05:36] <abisen> Seveas, but is kubuntu is as stable as ubuntu ...
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: it fails me everytime
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: I can't work
[05:36] <norrbaggen> hi I managed to create a root owner directory and file on my desktop, how do I remove the directry? /ubuntu linux noob
[05:36] <yahalom> abisen, yes but kde not as stable as gnome
[05:36] <martii> CarlK: it might be because it's amd64
[05:36] <Seveas> abisen, no idea, i use plain ubuntu :)
[05:36] <Seveas> norrbaggen, use sudo rm
[05:36] <martii> fabbione: I must say ubuntu has very nice support :)
[05:36] <abisen> Seveas, can i install KDE packages in ubuntu
[05:37] <CarlK> martii, kvm to the box, power cycle the box, let it boot - still doesn't work?
[05:37] <Seveas> abisen, yes
[05:37] <martii> CarlK: it's server
[05:37] <nalioth> abisen: there is nothing strange about ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:37] <martii> CarlK: I can't reboot it every time I want to do something
[05:37] <nalioth> abisen: kubuntu is just KDE on top of ubuntu
[05:37] <Seveas> nalioth, not quite
[05:37] <norrbaggen> how do i delete directories?
[05:38] <martii> norrbaggen: rm -rf
[05:38] <Seveas> norrbaggen, sudo rm -rf in your case, or sudo rmdir if the directory is empty
[05:38] <nalioth> Seveas: you mean since i installed kubuntu-desktop, i'm not running ubuntu any more?
[05:38] <CarlK> martii - nm - sounds like to morrow the fix will be avalible
[05:38] <norrbaggen> thanks :)
[05:38] <norrbaggen> nice community
[05:38] <Seveas> nalioth, ubuntu is the complete system, includeing gnome and gnome-centered tools
[05:38] <martii> fabbione: is there any ubuntu-devel channel ?
[05:38] <CarlK> martii - besides, you should't be running X on a server ;)
[05:38] <martii> CarlK: why not ?
[05:38] <Seveas> i would say that kubuntu is a kde-centered version of ubuntu
[05:39] <abisen> nalioth, so it's not gonna screw up my distro if i install ubuntu and then also install KDE instead of going with kubuntu ... somehow the idead of going with kubuntu seems scary
[05:39] <martii> CarlK: it's backup server 90% of time it's idle
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: yes there is
[05:39] <Seveas> abisen, it won't screw up
[05:39] <norrbaggen> anyone got mmc/sd card read adapter to work?
[05:39] <martii> fabbione: #ubuntu-devel ?
[05:39] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, and when you install kubuntu-desktop, its the same as if you went out and got KDEbase and other support debs..
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: but #ubuntu-devel is more like.. there is this bug and i have this patch to fix it :)
[05:39] <CarlK> martii - there are people who say it is less secure, takes more resources, bla bla bla... personal choice really
[05:39] <fabbione> martii: yeps
[05:39] <Seveas> you can install ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xfce, etc... all at the same time
[05:39] <martii> fabbione: ok
[05:39] <nalioth> Seveas: it is still ubuntu, just with KDE
[05:40] <nalioth> Seveas: yes, i have multiple WMs
[05:40] <Seveas> nalioth, i know
[05:40] <martii> fabbione: I have no patches ;) but usually find bugs ;)
[05:40] <Seveas> i have that tpoo
[05:40] <Seveas> too*
[05:40] <nalioth> abisen: you will have no trouble
[05:40] <abisen> thanks everybody ... this is a nice community ... actually taking pains on answering my nontechnical... concerns :)
[05:40] <fabbione> martii: well report them :) bugzilla.u.c is your friend really...
[05:40] <Seveas> but you seriously misunderstand the diff. between ubuntu and kubuntu
[05:40] <martii> fabbione: I will
[05:40] <abisen> nalioth, i am going ahead with installing ubuntu
[05:40] <fabbione> martii: reporting bugs on irc it's not always a good idea :)
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: I think that I will support ubuntu more and more
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: I like the way it's done
[05:41] <nalioth> Seveas: what is the diff? i was understanding that kubuntu was basically KDE on top of ubuntu
[05:41] <martii> fabbione: BTW it's debian compatibile so
[05:41] <fabbione> martii: glad to have you on board
[05:42] <nalioth> abisen, great!
[05:42] <Seveas> nalioth, well, it isn't: as i said, if you install from a kubuntu cd you get lots of things a standard ubuntu install does not have. And you don't get lots of things a standard ubuntu install has. So it's not KDE on top of ubuntu, but a KDE-centered version of ubuntu
[05:42] <nickrud> nalioth, gnome (which is 'official' ubuntu) is in main, which means it gets canonical support; kde is in universe, which means it may or may not
[05:42] <Seveas> the difference is subtle
[05:42] <Seveas> kde is in main.
[05:43] <Seveas> well, kubuntu-desktop is in main
[05:44] <nalioth> Seveas: i was not aware there was a "kubuntu install cd"
[05:45] <Seveas> nalioth, there is, see www.kubuntu.org
[05:45] <nalioth> Seveas: which is why i am of the thought that kubuntu is 'on top' of ubuntu (as it is on most everyone who installs from an ubuntu install cd)
[05:46] <lotusleaf> sounds kinky
[05:46] <Katupoika> what program use to burn ubuntu?
[05:46] <jeroen_> Katupoika, what OS do you run currently?
[05:47] <Katupoika> jeroen_ you mean like windows?
[05:47] <webmind> windows isn't an OS
[05:47] <webmind> :)
[05:47] <Katupoika> :D
[05:47] <Katupoika> hmm wait a sec
[05:48] <lotusleaf> wintendo
[05:48] <webmind> it's a tool to look through walls
[05:48] <webmind> or present data to a user :)
[05:48] <webmind> hm
[05:48] <webmind> sorry :)
[05:48] <jeroen_> It is an OS, don't be stupid
[05:48] <Seveas> Katupoika, if you tun windows, you can burn with http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm
[05:48] <webmind> jeroen_, isn't it a widget ?
[05:48] <yonil> ahhhhh somehow my keyboard got to a position where i must "repress" a key for it to appear twice ... how can i set it to normal ? (if i hold some key for a long time it only write it once...)
[05:50] <CarlK> yonil - try unplgging the keyborad
[05:52] <Lafitte--> hello everyone
[05:53] <jeroen_> yonil, that's normal
[05:53] <jeroen_> try pressing ' and then e; you'll understand
[05:53] <martii> fabbione: I used www.pld-linux.org before
[05:53] <Elfir3> Seveas : i tried to uninstall, reinstall nvidia drivers, restricted modules, for 386 k7, but still no module found ... dont know what to do next ..
[05:53] <jeroen_> Lafitte--, hi
[05:53] <martii> fabbione: but people there don't like to help
[05:54] <fabbione> martii: i know them
[05:54] <Seveas> Elfir3, what do you mean with "no mudule found"?
[05:54] <martii> CarlK: of course more services is less secure
[05:54] <Elfir3> no module found... cant find nvidia module
[05:54] <Seveas> when does it say that?
[05:54] <martii> CarlK: but it's our internal machine so
[05:55] <Elfir3> after trying to run gdm
[05:55] <Katupoika> tell me a program to burn *.iso files in the windows
[05:55] <martii> CarlK: nothing to worry about
[05:55] <martii> fabbione: where do you know them from ?
[05:55] <CarlK> martii - I know.. thats why I ;) and bla bla bla about it
[05:55] <martii> fabbione: PLD is nice when you are full time Linux admin
[05:55] <Seveas> Elfir3, can you paste the output of dpkg -l linux* on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: and can repair broken packages over and over
[05:56] <snowseal> can i enter the WEP key i hex-format with % seperators?
[05:56] <Elfir3> ok wait...
[05:56] <fabbione> martii: their IPv6 work
[05:56] <CarlosRC> hello
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: but not for IT manager that has some more to so than watching logs
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: Oh yes, Arekm did plenty of them
[05:56] <phenotype> is there something in synaptic for dvd playback? or do i have to look elsewhere
[05:56] <martii> fabbione: ipv6 patches
[05:57] <jeroen_> phenotype, libdvdcss?
[05:57] <fabbione> martii: yeah i used quite a lot of them
[05:57] <kent> Is not this a bit strange? What laptop has 223 mb of ram?  -> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=7a5c57dbf5b6a1bfc1f82e8643701d54
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: in fact I helped them to make ppc port
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: even run PLD now on 2 machines
[05:57] <fabbione> ehehe
[05:57] <phenotype> jeroen, i just have totem
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: Ubuntu on backup server
[05:57] <ogra> kent, how much ram do you hve in your machine ?
[05:57] <martii> fabbione: and Ubuntu on workstation
[05:57] <tsw> kent: gpu shares ram
[05:58] <fabbione> martii: nice :)
[05:58] <snowseal> my wifi card gets the ssid from my router, but wont get dhcp info. its probably the wep key. can i use the %34%8D%93-hex-type format?
[05:58] <ogra> kent, compare that to "cat /proc/meminfo"
[05:58] <srid> how to 'apt-cache search' only not-installed packages?
[05:58] <kent> ogra, tsw ah. I never thought about the shared ram. Thanks for correcting my stupidity :)
[05:58] <ogra> kent, thats what hwdb reads
[05:58] <martii> fabbione: it might be that I'll install ubuntu on Lapotp
[05:58] <martii> fabbione: as I can see that you try to support laptops
[05:58] <ogra> kent, nah, not stupidity, common error ;)
[05:58] <Seveas> snowseal, no
[05:58] <lotusleaf> kent, what did you do with that house full of popcorn?
[05:59] <srid> how to 'apt-cache search' only not-installed packages?
[05:59] <Seveas> srid, use aptitude search :)
[05:59] <snowseal> Seveas i wonder why i dont reveive anything with my wifi card.
[05:59] <nalioth> srid: or synaptic
[05:59] <Seveas> you can grep -v away the installed ones then (iirc)
[05:59] <kent> lotusleaf, well, if I had a house full of popcorn, I would start selling it to kids for a small fee ;)  But I never had one :(
[06:00] <srid> SeamusLP, nalioth  .. command line tools preferred (not ncurses too)
[06:00] <lotusleaf> kent, you mean you've never seen the movie 'Real Genius?' for shame.
[06:00] <martii> fabbione: PLD does work well for full time admins
[06:00] <Seveas> snowseal, you cannot use the %xx hex format for key
[06:00] <Seveas> see man iwconfig
[06:00] <fabbione> martii: yes i got that :)
[06:00] <martii> fabbione: but not for common people ;)
[06:00] <kent> lotusleaf, nope, sorry. I have to look that up on imdb.
[06:00] <lotusleaf> kent, every good geek should watch it ;-)
[06:00] <snowseal> thanx
[06:02] <Elfir3> Seveas : http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/289541
[06:02] <Fackamato> Why doesn't ubuntu support mosues with two buttons?
[06:02] <Fackamato> Pressing LMB and RMB at the same times does nothing in quake3.
[06:02] <Fackamato> Something is severly fucked in the x config or something.
[06:02] <\sh> Fackamato: cause quake is not recognizing it under X? X itself has Emulate3Buttons
[06:03] <Fackamato> what is emulate3buttons?
[06:03] <Fackamato> I have a 3 button mouse (lmm, rmb and wheel)
[06:04] <\sh> so ur 3. button is normally the wheel when u click on it
[06:04] <\sh> up and down wheel == buttons 4 5
[06:04] <IIIEars> use two buttons at one time as a "chord" to make the machine see two buttons as a third mouse button
[06:04] <Fackamato> but why can't i railjump in quake3?
[06:04] <srid> i need light weight terminal like xterm, but with tabbed support like gnome-terminal
[06:04] <Fackamato> rightclick + fast leftclick = nothingh
[06:04] <Fackamato> does absolutely nothing
[06:05] <isai> helo
[06:05] <zeven> algun espaol
[06:05] <\sh> Fackamato: sorry, I don't know quake3 and there r some config settings in quake3 which doesn't have anything to do with X
[06:05] <benkong2> how can I have gaim start when I log onto my system?
[06:05] <IIIEars> #ubuntu-es?
[06:05] <isai> zeven: hola?
[06:05] <zeven> hola
[06:05] <kent> lotusleaf, found that movie on bittorrent.  I will watch it tonight :)
[06:05] <zeven> ke pasa eske no se usaar esto
[06:06] <isai> zeven: bosque?
[06:06] <snowseal> Seveas thanx for pointing the iwconfig tool to my attention. trying..
[06:06] <zeven> esto es de gente en ingles
[06:06] <isai> zeven: si, trata /join #ubuntu-es si hay uno
[06:06] <zeven> porke es la primera vez ke toco este programa
[06:06] <IIIEars> si nuestors conoces sola unas pocas palabras aqui
[06:07] <isai> what is the best way to install the java sdk? should I just download it from the sun website.
[06:07] <zeven> perdon no me enterado de naaaa
[06:07] <jeroen_> isai, no, use apt-get
[06:07] <isai> apt-get what?
[06:07] <isai> apt-get install java-sdk?
[06:08] <IIIEars> que es usted preguntas?
[06:09] <CarlosRC> someone can help a noob plese?
[06:09] <snader> just ask your question :)
[06:09] <nickrud> isai, serios.net/content/debian/java/with-java-package.php has good instructions for installing sun's java
[06:09] <IIIEars> No need to ask of course we'll try. - a lot of really smart people here and newbs too like us.
[06:10] <isai> thanks, will check.
[06:10] <Elfir3> does god exists :)
[06:10] <jeroen_> Elfir3, until he shows up so that everybody can objectively see him; no
[06:10] <Mojo_Jojo> whats the difference between ubuntu and kbuntu ?
[06:10] <jeroen_> kubuntu is geared towards KDE
[06:10] <snader> i didn't really mean that question ;-)
[06:10] <Elfir3> jeroen_ : :p
[06:11] <IIIEars> mojo_jojo - the Deesktop in Ubuntu is Gnome and Kubuntu is KDE
[06:12] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh, can I change ubuntu to use KDE?
[06:12] <IIIEars> Gnome is a bit more responsive on some machines not a huge difference between them. Try them both and see what you like.
[06:13] <IIIEars> Mojo - You sure can
[06:14] <feclare> hi
[06:14] <feclare> i'm having problems installing hoary in a laptop
[06:14] <Mojo_Jojo> I've been using knoppix with KDE for over a year. Im getting a distro for my buddy.
[06:14] <feclare> it didnt detect my cdrom
[06:14] <IIIEars> Though honestly i have never personally converted one to the other. I have tried both CDs Kubuntu and Ubuntu.
[06:14] <feclare> in the installation
[06:15] <snowseal> yay it works
[06:15] <Mojo_Jojo> congratulations snowseal
[06:15] <CarlosRC> how can I config the system to load all the running modules at boot time? (don't load unused modules and load necessary modules)
[06:15] <snowseal> thanx for the support in here.
[06:15] <yaaar> anybody know why i can't add extensions or search engines in firefox? i've run it as root and everything....
[06:15] <IIIEars> Congratulations snowseal
[06:15] <yaaar> i'd really like to have chatzilla
[06:15] <snowseal> weird, the gui confgurator soesnt seem to work for me.
[06:16] <tombs> hi ppl
[06:16] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  you need version 1.04  to use the extensions
[06:17] <Elfir3> Seveas dead ?
[06:17] <yaaar> Lafitte--: i've got the repositories from ubuntuguide.org, and i've been running updates regularly....shouldn't I have that version?
[06:17] <feclare> any idea?
[06:17] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  which your version is correct   but ubuntu has  version error    ill get you a work arond
[06:18] <yaaar> oic
[06:18] <snader> CarlosRC: you can put modules you want to load in /etc/modules, one per line
[06:18] <Lafitte--> yaaar, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[06:18] <yaaar> cool thnaks
[06:19] <we2by> how do I know what dvd writing speed my dvd burner have?
[06:19] <CarlosRC> thanks snader :)
[06:20] <Lafitte--> yaaar,  i just install 1.04 from the web   works fine
[06:20] <nazca->
[06:20] <snader> CarlosRC: i'm not sure about how to stop modules from being loaded though
[06:20] <snader> someone else perhaps :)
[06:21] <Elfir3> think you have to put them in the blacklist
[06:21] <snader> yes
[06:21] <snader> what blacklist :X
[06:21] <Lafitte--> yaaar, Setting general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config seems to let me
[06:21] <Lafitte--> access addons.mozilla.org
[06:21] <Lafitte--> where is about:config
[06:22] <msch> hallo
[06:22] <Elfir3> snader : dont remember/find the path :)
[06:23] <jeroen_> Lafitte--, type it in your address bar
[06:23] <snader> well there's a blacklist in /etc/hotplug
[06:23] <kahuna_> Can anyone suggest a decent todo list/task manager besides the one that comes with evolution?
[06:23] <snader> but i'm not sure if that's it
[06:24] <kart_>  kahuna_: planner
[06:24] <kahuna_> you mean emacs planner?
[06:24] <kart_> ya
[06:25] <kahuna_> I haven't considered it. Maybe I'll give it a shot.
[06:25] <kahuna_> I prefer vi myself but emacs has tons 'o features.
[06:25] <kart_> emacs is great!
[06:26] <Elfir3> the best one ^^
[06:26] <kahuna_> Hmm. There's imendio planner too.
[06:26] <Lafitte--> sweet   that works :)
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> I love ubuntu :)
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> the updatesystem seems to work nive
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> nice
[06:26] <Latis-WorX> its stable and really nice to work with :)
[06:27] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo
[06:27] <kahuna_> I didn't know you could use Gaim for IRC.
[06:27] <Strife> yes you can
[06:27] <Strife> it kinda sucks though
[06:27] <Elfir3> kahuna_ : for almost every chat protocols i think
[06:28] <IIIEars> it has spell checking
[06:28] <CrustyPunk> I'm having trouble actually logging in to Ubuntu
[06:28] <kahuna_> I use xchat and irssi
[06:28] <IIIEars> czecking?
[06:28] <Elfir3> BitchX cause i've problems with nvidia drivers :p
[06:28] <Strife> weird
[06:28] <Strife> doesn't cause problems for me
[06:28] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, did you forget your password?
[06:29] <kahuna_> irssi > BitchX
[06:29] <Elfir3> didnt know
[06:29] <CrustyPunk> Nope.   Was this necessary?
[06:30] <CrustyPunk> When I start up Ubunu, it puts me into a console login. When I login and do startx, it can't start up the GUI. It gets the mouse up, and a blank grey screen as well as a console in the upper left hand corenr
[06:30] <kahuna_> That's probably TWM
[06:30] <kahuna_> What happens when you right clock the grey screen CrustyPunk
[06:30] <FiReWoRkS> hi... i have two other partitions besides the one with ubuntu installed, how do i access them with ubuntu?
[06:30] <kahuna_> s/clock/click
[06:31] <CrustyPunk> Nothing at all
[06:31] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: ubuntu should detect them automatically...
[06:31] <beginner> does unbuntu have excell?
[06:31] <Strife> but if not, you use the
[06:31] <Strife> 'mount' command
[06:31] <kahuna_> What window manager do you wish to use?
[06:31] <Strife> beginner: it has openoffice, which has an excel-like program
[06:31] <kahuna_> beginner, no.
[06:31] <Elfir3> try man mount
[06:31] <CrustyPunk> I'm currenrly using Gnome
[06:31] <FiReWoRkS> Strife, where can I see if it has been detected?
[06:32] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: if you're in GNOME, the other partitions should appear on your desktop
[06:32] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, Hmm... Not using GDM? What does your .xinitrc look like?
[06:32] <beginner> si does it have?
[06:32] <Elfir3> FiReWoRkS : but if not, use mount to access them (man mount)
[06:32] <beginner> or witch is the similar program?
[06:32] <snader> beginner: http://www.openoffice.org/product/calc.html
[06:32] <CrustyPunk> Err, I thought I was using gnome, but my other partitions have never been on my desktop
[06:33] <CrustyPunk> Maybe it is GDM?
[06:33] <beginner> k
[06:33] <Elfir3> FiReWoRkS : what file system on you partitions ?
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> fat32 one and ntfs the other
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> there is nothing on the desktop
[06:33] <Strife> hmm, those should be autodetected
[06:33] <FiReWoRkS> just my cd drive
[06:33] <Strife> well you need to use mount then
[06:33] <Strife> check /etc/fstab to see if there are entries for the other partitions
[06:34] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[06:34] <Gotham> can someone help me with a weird problem....I just installed ubuntu on a compaq laptop, but the screen is really "dark"....basically the laptop is getting power but the OS is not recognizing that and it assumes im running on battery and therefore is running on 'low power' settings
[06:34] <chris> Is the ubuntu way to compile a kernel the same as the debian way?
[06:34] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, If you went through the default install process you should have a graphical login window that has gnome as the default. Am I correct when I assume that you have a text based login prompt?
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> that's what is in there...
[06:35] <CrustyPunk> I've always had a graphical login window, until now
[06:35] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: so no, there are no other entries...
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> i'll have to mount?
[06:35] <Strife> I would assume that your other partitions are /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2
[06:35] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: are they all on the same hard drive?
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> yes they are
[06:35] <Elfir3> yes, but you can add them in fstab for easier access
[06:35] <FiReWoRkS> hmmm
[06:35] <beginner> snader how i 'll install it?>
[06:36] <FiReWoRkS> how do i do that Elfir3  ?
[06:36] <mbd> Is there is a program in linux to produce Flash Movies (GPL)
[06:36] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, what happens when you try to start /etc/init.d/gdm manually?
[06:37] <CrustyPunk> Haven't tried. What should it do?
[06:37] <Elfir3> use sudo fdisk -l to see what are the remaining partitions, then add them in the fstab with gedit
[06:37] <kahuna_> Bring up gdm (your graphical login)
[06:37] <CrustyPunk> Kind of another way of doing startx?
[06:37] <snader> beginner: it will be installed by default
[06:37] <snader> are you running ubuntu now?
[06:38] <beginner> yes
[06:38] <chris> If I download linux-source-2.6.10 and kernel-package, can I then just configure the kernel the way I like it, and the use kernel-package to build the kernel?
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> ok Elfir3
[06:38] <Strife> Firetech: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[06:38] <Strife> oops
[06:38] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, If you want to think about it that way. GDM automatically starts X and manages X sessions for you
[06:38] <Strife> FiReWoRkS: that link was for you
[06:38] <Elfir3> use the options user to let them accessed by users, auto to be mount at system startup
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[06:38] <beginner> snader
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> thanks Strife
[06:38] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[06:38] <Strife> no problem
[06:38] <othernoob> what's the difference between linux-image-**** and linux-**** ?
[06:39] <Firetech> a lot
[06:39] <mbd> :) hallo guys , anyone know .. ?
[06:39] <Elfir3> :D
[06:39] <snader> beginner: it's somewhere in the menu, but if you can't find it you can start a console and type "openoffice &"
[06:39] <Strife> uh, .. is the directory one level above
[06:39] <Strife> heh
[06:39] <Firetech> othernoob: linux-image-* is just the kernel image. linux-* is the rest of it, addons, you might say.
[06:39] <mbd> if there is program to produce Flash Movies (GPL) In Ubuntu ?
[06:39] <beginner> snader what is the name of it in the menu?
[06:40] <Elfir3> Strife : faster than I :p
[06:40] <snader> beginner: i don't know, i don't use it myself
[06:40] <CrustyPunk> kahuna_: ah.
[06:40] <snader> beginner: i mean i don't use the default desktop
[06:40] <othernoob> Firetech: so if i only get the linux-image it should just run fine ?
[06:41] <CrustyPunk> Be right back
[06:41] <CrustyPunk> I'm gonna try loading gdm the way you told me
[06:41] <beginner> snader found it
[06:41] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:41] <snader> okay, if you don't see something that looks like excel now do file, new, spreadsheet
[06:42] <snader> gtg now
[06:42] <snader> have fun, bye :)
[06:42] <mbd> :?
[06:42] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:42] <Firetech> othernoob: yes, but nvidia and fglrx drivers won't work witout linux-restricted-modules...
[06:43] <Firetech> while you're at it, it might be good to get linux-headers too.
[06:43] <Elfir3> Firetech even with in some cases :'(
[06:43] <IIIEars> Firetech + build-essentials a;so?
[06:44] <othernoob> Firetech: what are the headers for ?
[06:44] <Firetech> IIIEars: only if you want to compile stuff
[06:44] <IIIEars> ah- thank you
[06:44] <littleworm> how do i configure imwheel?
[06:45] <Firetech> othernoob: if other installations need the kernel-headers. Mostly it's third party modules, but it's good to have them.
[06:46] <othernoob> Firetech: okay..mmh.. there's no restricted-module for the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-686smp
[06:46] <Firetech> you should NOT use 2.6.11
[06:46] <int21h> anyone here use Evolution -> Exchange via IMAP ?
[06:46] <Firetech> it kernel panics all the time.
[06:47] <othernoob> Firetech: heh..must be an ubuntu thing with the 2.6.11 :/
[06:47] <Firetech> atleast ubuntu's 2.6.11
[06:48] <othernoob> yea thats what i meant
[06:48] <Firetech> yes
[06:48] <othernoob> had no probs with it on fc3
[06:48] <Firetech> 2.6.10 is fine
[06:48] <Firetech> you could try downloading sources from kernel.org and compiling them, but I recommend stickning with 2.6.10
[06:49] <othernoob> okay. so i get the linux-image<IP_ADDRESS>, the restricted modules<IP_ADDRESS> and the corresponding headers , right ?
[06:49] <Firetech> I run a custom 2.6.10 kernel myself.
[06:49] <Tallia1> what could you tell me about this error!? andrea@taglia:~/Downloads/Installare$ qtrans qtrans: error while loading shared libraries: libkhtml.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:49] <Firetech> othernoob: that is correct.
[06:51] <othernoob> Firetech: there's a linux-image-686 without the version in the filename, what's that ?
[06:51] <Seveas> othernoob, a meta package
[06:51] <Firetech> it's just a meta package linking to the latest stable kernel
[06:52] <othernoob> okay.
[06:52] <Firetech> right now: 2.6.10-5-686 for linux-image-686
[06:52] <othernoob> should i get the linux-patch-ubuntu 2.6.10 too ?
[06:53] <guest1_> sei italiana
[06:53] <Firetech> othernoob: it's already applied to the linux-image package
[06:53] <JuniorZ_> how to install VMWARE ?
[06:54] <guest1_> im recchia di ciacco (sergio
[06:54] <guest1_> pietrosantik
[06:54] <Tallia1> ciaooo
[06:54] <JuniorZ_> how to install VMWARE ? please
[06:54] <Firetech> JuniorZ_: there came a perfect guide in the forums today
[06:54] <guest1_> vuoi eshsere la mia dolce meta recchia
[06:55] <othernoob> Firetech. okay, thanks :)
[06:55] <JuniorZ_> Firetech forum from English, Dutch, German or French ?
[06:56] <Fackamato> What is logical volume management?
[06:56] <Firetech> JuniorZ_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36873
[06:56] <kpanic> hey people, I have installed hoary but can't install mysql-server because             Depends: libdbi-perl but it is not installable
[06:56] <kpanic>                     Depends: gawk but it is not installable
[06:56] <JuniorZ_> Firetech thankyou very much ! :]
[06:57] <kpanic> any clues? am I missing some source list?
[06:57] <Shufla> hello. fck! qemu package in ubuntu is _broken_ :(
[06:57] <Seveas> kpanic, are you using non-official repositories?
[06:57] <mathmatt> i just installed winxp after ubuntu.  I have grub working, but how do I add XP to grub?  I'm confused about hdxx stuff.  Windows is installed at hda2
[06:57] <Seveas> mathmatt, you need to add a menu entry to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:57] <kpanic> Seveas, the italian mirror it.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <Shufla> mathmatt: (hd0,1)
[06:58] <mathmatt> Shufla, thanks, why hd0,1? What does that mean?
[06:58] <kpanic> Seveas, maybe I should try the official mirror?
[06:58] <Seveas> hd0,1 is grub notation for hda2
[06:58] <Seveas> title           Windows
[06:58] <Seveas> root            (hd0,1)
[06:58] <Seveas> savedefault
[06:58] <Seveas> makeactive
[06:58] <Seveas> chainloader     +1
[06:58] <Shufla> mathmatt: it's grub disk numbering. 0 - first disk, 1 - second partition
[06:58] <Seveas> that's your menu entry
[06:59] <Seveas> kpanic, it.archive.ubuntu.com is an official one
[06:59] <Seveas> kpanic, can you paste your sources.list on ubuntu.pastebin.com please
[06:59] <kpanic> Seveas, yeah
[06:59] <mathmatt> Shufla, thank so much!  BTW, i found adding a xp partition to Ubuntu to be quite easy using parted->resize
[06:59] <Shufla> hahaha :>:> i'm going to install hurd
[07:00] <Tallia1> hey guys, have you any idea of where i can find libkfile?!
[07:01] <littleworm> i have a logitech mx510 mouse, how do i make all the buttons to work
[07:01] <snowseal> whats a fxp prog for ubuntu
[07:01] <Seveas> snowseal, gftp?
[07:01] <Jimbob> Tallia1: "sudo apt-get install apt-file" and then "apt-file search libkfile" will tell you what package contains libkfile
[07:01] <snowseal> k
[07:02] <Shufla> before apt-file update
[07:02] <littleworm> i have a logitech mx510 mouse, how do i make all the buttons to work?
[07:02] <Tallia1> tnx!!
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, maybe I found the problem. there wasn't restricted...
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, ok got it
[07:02] <kpanic> Seveas, it was that
[07:02] <Seveas> nice :)
[07:03] <kpanic> Seveas, thanks, you were my illumination ;)
[07:03] <Seveas> hehe
[07:03] <Tallia1> Jimbob: no results...
[07:03] <Shufla> arghhh. where is the place to submit bugs for universe? on launchpad? cos MOTU wiki on ubuntusite is not well organized.
[07:03] <CrustyPunk> Guestion
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> littleworm: there's a howto around
[07:03] <Tallia1> Jimbob: with apt-file too
[07:04] <littleworm> i couldn't find one
[07:04] <Burgundavia> Shufla, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:04] <CrustyPunk> How does one run gdm from a console? I tried going to /etc/init.d/ and typing gdm but it didn't work. </nubbishness>
[07:04] <Shufla> Burgundavia: thanks!
[07:04] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: what did it say?
[07:04] <Seveas>  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:04] <Seveas> or simply startx
[07:05] <CrustyPunk> It told me that it wasn't q command, same if doing gdm start
[07:05] <kahuna_> but startx is not the equivalent of starting GD<
[07:05] <pfp> CrustyPunk: current dir is not in your $PATH for security reasons, so ./gdm
[07:05] <CrustyPunk> And StartX isn't working right, I'm trying to get around startx =x
[07:05] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:05] <littleworm> never mind
[07:05] <kahuna_> Did you do the default install of ubuntu?
[07:05] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, running "gdm" from /etc/init.d will not work
[07:05] <kahuna_> GDM *should* start automatically
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> Yeah, I know it should... but it won't. =o
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> last night, it just stopped starting automatically
[07:06] <kahuna_> Can anyone reccomend a good online vendor for rackmount systems that don't have windows pre-installed?
[07:06] <CrustyPunk> Right after I uninstalled Totem and gXine
[07:07] <Shufla> yeaaaa :D
[07:07] <Jimbob> Tallia1: Try running "sudo apt-file update" and then searching
[07:07] <Shufla> i'm going to kill my home machine :D
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to avoing reinstalling D=
[07:08] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB Wifi Adapters that work with Ubuntu?  Seems like all there is is PCI :(
[07:08] <kahuna_> if you uninstall totem with apt-get remove you'll also get rid of ubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> Hmm
[07:08] <IIIEars> Shufla don't kill your perfectly good computer. - let me fedex you two leaky kitty cats.
[07:08] <kahuna_> which is probably why you're having those problems
[07:08] <Shufla> IIIEars: but i am not able to install Hurd on them :D
[07:08] <CrustyPunk> That seems to be a silly thing to have happen.
[07:08] <kahuna_>  sudo apt-get -s remove totem
[07:08] <kahuna_> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[07:08] <kahuna_>   totem ubuntu-desktop
[07:08] <Tallia1> Jimbob: nothing
[07:09] <nalioth> kahuna_: Apple?
[07:09] <Shufla> do not worry about kubuntu desktop
[07:09] <CrustyPunk> Is there any way to fix without a reinstall?
[07:09] <Jimbob> kahuna_: But gdm will not be removed, just the ubuntu-desktop package.
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: Yes, there is always a way
[07:09] <slimb> ubuntu desktop is mainly a placeholder - not gonna hurt you if it gets removed
[07:09] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB wifi adapters work with Ubuntu?
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What happens when you run "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[07:09] <Jimbob> Tallia1: Guess nothing in ubuntu provides libkfile then...
[07:09] <CrustyPunk> Jimbob: it tells me it's not a command
[07:09] <Tallia1> mhhh shit
[07:09] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What does "ls -la /etc/init.d/gdm" say
[07:09] <Shufla> CrustyPunk: dpkg -l | grep -i gdm
[07:10] <Tallia1> Jimbob: tnx
[07:10] <CrustyPunk> Well...
[07:10] <kahuna_> Then you removed GDM :)
[07:11] <kahuna_> somehow...
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> =o
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> dpkg -l | grep -i gdm
[07:11] <CrustyPunk> Will that dpkg gdm?
[07:11] <RuffianSoldier> Any USB wifi adapters work with Ubuntu?
[07:11] <Seveas> no CrustyPunk
[07:11] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: No, that's a (horribly inefficient) way of searching if gdm is installed
[07:11] <Seveas> it will show you whether you have it :)
[07:11] <slimb> youur listing packages with that Crusty
[07:12] <kahuna_> dpkg -l means list
[07:12] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: netgear ma-111, version 1
[07:12] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, dpkg -l *gdm*
[07:12] <Seveas> that's better
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> Ah
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> ty bob2
[07:12] <bob2> cafuego_: I replied, you'd changed nicks
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> So, kahuna_: I somehow got rid of gdm?
[07:12] <Shufla> Seveas: it will show him gdm even if its not installed...
[07:12] <Shadow`AxC> Hi, is it true that ubuntu support windowns programs ?
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> meh
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> i need something with a cored
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> this room is strange
[07:12] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to apt-get install gdm?
[07:12] <Shadow`AxC> windows*
[07:12] <bob2> Shadow`AxC: you can run some under, wine, yes
[07:12] <RuffianSoldier> it only picks up the signal in cirtain places
[07:12] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: Yes
[07:13] <Ali_Baba> hello,does anybody know how i get php5 to work with mysql?
[07:13] <bob2> Shadow`AxC: but that's possible on any linux distribution
[07:13] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, sure
[07:13] <Seveas> try it :)
[07:13] <CrustyPunk> Awesome
[07:13] <bob2> CrustyPunk: sure, it's installed by default
[07:13] <nalioth> later
[07:13] <CrustyPunk> Thanks, guys. I'll be back; either from mIRC or Xchat
[07:13] <Ali_Baba> its not supported automatically,i think.
[07:13] <kahuna_> I'm new to debian based distros but I think you might have somehow removed the dependencies along with totem and gxine
[07:14] <bob2> Ali_Baba: gdm? it is indeed.
[07:14] <Seveas> kahuna_, but gdm does not depend on totem or gxine
[07:14] <Jimbob> Ali_Baba: I *think* that if wine and... (looking)
[07:14] <RuffianSoldier> USB hubs work in Hoary right?
[07:15] <mjr> RuffianSoldier, sure
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> great!
[07:15] <kahuna_> no, but totem depends on ubuntu-destop which has a ton of dependencies. Is there a way to fux0r your system that way?
[07:15] <dr_willis> Hmm a USB hub should work  :P
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> maybe 1.1
[07:15] <kahuna_> Just guessing as to what might of happened?
[07:15] <dr_willis> reguardless of the OS.
[07:15] <Jimbob> Ali_Baba: "binfmt-support" are installed, it should allow you to run them like Unix executables
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> i just need something to extent the MA111
[07:15] <Burgundavia> kahuna_, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that can be safely removed
[07:15] <Seveas> kahuna_, NOTHING depends on ubuntu-desktop
[07:16] <ggeller> Which apt archive has python2.4-profiler?
[07:16] <Ali_Baba> ok.
[07:16] <bob2> removing it will break upgrades to breezy when it releases, though
[07:16] <kahuna_> Ok. It's the other way around then I guess
[07:16] <bob2> so, I really wouldn't do that
[07:16] <Seveas> ggeller, it's in multiverse
[07:16] <bob2> ggeller: hoary has that
[07:17] <kahuna_> So is there something he can apt-get install that will leave him with a default ubuntu desktop then is what I'm wondering.
[07:17] <bob2> kahuna_: ubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <bob2> wow, a non-free python library
[07:17] <Seveas> bob2, or it's misplaced in multiverse...
[07:18] <bob2> yeah
[07:18] <Shufla> grub hangs :(
[07:18] <Shufla> tfu, s/grub/hurd/
[07:18] <kahuna_> I only wish that ruby is as mature as python
[07:18] <carthik> I solved my gpg key revocation problem :) http://blog.carthik.net/vault/2005/05/25/revoking-a-gpg-key-pair/
[07:18] <carthik> thanks everyone who helped.
[07:19] <RetroMan> Does anyone use or know anything about 3dwm?
[07:19] <bob2> Seveas: the license says you can do whatever you want, as long as it's only in the form of a python module
[07:19] <bob2> bleh
[07:20] <dr_willis> RetroMan,  its one of those projects thats sort of not in a very useable state last i looked.
[07:21] <dr_willis> RetroMan,  its  poorly documented.. and more of just a experiment/project last i looked. :P
[07:22] <pmcnett> I'm using breezy on my production laptop with no problems yet. But if I run into any issues, I'll know just who to blame (me)
[07:22] <UnreA|L> How make  automatic run gkrellm, when i start ubuntu, like gdeskleets ?
[07:22] <drumh3ad> net
[07:22] <ziggy__> can someone please direct me in a way to change the font in evolution
[07:22] <bob2> UnreA|L: system -> preferences -> session, add it
[07:23] <ziggy__> the font for printing I am sorry
[07:23] <RuffianSoldier> I need to use this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817112103    to extend this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833122107  so i can get a signal - will this combo work in Ubuntu>
[07:23] <CrustyPunk> Still no fly. =\
[07:23] <ziggy__> i know how to change the other font
[07:23] <CrustyPunk> I reinstalled gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm start gets me further than startx though.
[07:24] <Jimbob> CrustyPunk: What does GDM say when it dies (in the little dialog box)
[07:24] <CrustyPunk> Nothing at all.
[07:25] <LillDude> hello
[07:25] <CrustyPunk> Just the usual <username>@blahblah
[07:26] <CrustyPunk> It's something to do with the gui. The startup screen comes up when I start gdm, but when I login it dies.
[07:27] <abarbaccia> CrustyPunk, run it from a terminal and look for output
[07:27] <osiris_22> mwhahahaha
[07:27] <osiris_22> oppie!!!
[07:27] <Seveas> CrustyPunk, sounds like you removed a little too much, please try installing ubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <OppieT30> :)
[07:27] <LillDude> hey ubuntu help needed
[07:27] <urb85> hello
[07:28] <osiris_22> ok lil dude just state your problem instead of stateing you need help that usualy is more effective
[07:28] <LillDude> pppoe wont save
[07:29] <urb85> guys, anybody knows some tutorial online on how to create icons??
[07:30] <Choubaka> they're PNG images.
[07:30] <Choubaka> or XPMs
[07:30] <Choubaka> just open gimp and start drawing.
[07:30] <LillDude> how would i get dsl to rember its settings
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> Argh
[07:31] <LillDude> how do get to ppoe in gui
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> My connection dropped.
[07:31] <urb85> Choubaka, oh thanks a lot, well I didn't know they were PNG's anyway, however, anygood tuts on the Gimp?
[07:31] <CrustyPunk2> It's something to do with the gui. The startup screen comes up when I start gdm, but when I login it dies.
[07:31] <Choubaka> urb85: I don't know any :/
[07:32] <LillDude> pppoe set up
[07:32] <urb85> Choubaka, np :)
[07:32] <Choubaka> urb85: google ought to help :)
[07:32] <urb85> Choubaka, eheh sure, anyway, have u got a website?
[07:32] <CrustyPunk2> Any more ideas? =\
[07:32] <Choubaka> a website?
[07:33] <Choubaka> about gimp, no. :P
[07:33] <urb85> Choubaka, no a general website, kinda blog or similar
[07:34] <Choubaka> well, I have a webpage, but it hasn't been updated  ~ever
[07:34] <Choubaka> so not realy.
[07:34] <urb85> Choubaka, oh ok
[07:34] <Choubaka> really*
[07:34] <othernoob> how do i clear the history of the konsole ?
[07:34] <urb85> Choubaka, I am just going around in need of "creative hint" :P
[07:35] <urb85> othernoob, close it and reopen it
[07:35] <Choubaka> othernoob: history -c?
[07:35] <urb85> Coubaka, just closing it should be enough I think :P
[07:36] <kahuna_> CrustyPunk, try reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package.
[07:36] <othernoob> Choubaka: thanks, i had read it on some site a few weeks ago but couldn't remember
[07:36] <othernoob> urb85: no
[07:36] <UnreA|L> How install gkrellm themes ? Im trying cd ~/.gkrellm ( No direcotry ) /usr/share/gkrellm no direcotry
[07:36] <urb85> othernoob, hmm sorry then, I thought it would work
[07:36] <UnreA|L> How install this ?
[07:36] <UnreA|L> im download with apt
[07:37] <othernoob> urb85: i didn't want to clear the konsole screen, but erase all typed commands ;)
[07:37] <UnreA|L> what is the search command in console ?
[07:38] <urb85> othernoob, exactly what i meant, just as you can scroll between them with Ctrl+P and Ctrl+N
[07:38] <_kevin> how can i cutomize the way ubuntu looks and add new themes and also that MAC OS X bar thing that sit int he bottom and u hover over it and it goes big and has all the icons
[07:38] <SweD> I'm on a laptop. Any ideas on how to completely disable the pointing stick in X? I haven't figured out how my input section in X should look. In windows the drivers let me choose whether it should be active or not...
[07:39] <othernoob> urb85 i just use the arrow-keys ;)
[07:39] <SweD> Reason for asking is that when a ps/2 mouse isn't present and the stick is active, the cursor flies all over the place...off and on.
[07:39] <SweD> Some hardware issue I guess
[07:39] <urb85> othernoob, yes, same :P
[07:39] <int21h> anyone now if its possible to run evolution in a debugging / verbose mode ?????
[07:39] <othernoob> urb85 then everything's good :)
[07:40] <int21h> trying to figure out my IMAP issues with evolution
[07:40] <urb85> othernoob, :) well that's why I just said close the Konsole and they should disappear, at least it does on mine :P
[07:40] <abarbaccia> hey all - i dont have any of my open office launchers in my panel - can someone let me know how to get them back?
[07:42] <kahuna_> I was wondering if it's possible to install ubuntu onto a linux software RAID drive? I want to have a RAID10 but won't have room in my server for another drive for the OS.
[07:42] <FiReWoRkS> hi, I mounted one partition, I can access the files as root, but when I try to listen to a musica, for instance, I dont have permission to access it
[07:42] <FiReWoRkS> what should i do?
[07:43] <abarbaccia> FiReWoRkS, did you mount it in fstab?
[07:43] <FiReWoRkS> *music
[07:43] <FiReWoRkS> no I didnt
[07:44] <othernoob> urb85 they dont on mine, and i accidentally typed my password, so i wanted to delete the history :)
[07:44] <abarbaccia> hurm, well you should mount it as a regular user, and if it doesnt let you you can try doing a `sudo chmod 777 -R <mount directory>`
[07:44] <urb85> othernoob, I see, np
[07:44] <C-Murder> is there any Verlihub to ubuntu?
[07:44] <FiReWoRkS> hm... ok
[07:44] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try that
[07:44] <CarlK> FiReWoRkS - long shot - try pmount as user (not sure if it is either right or will work, but it wont hurt)
[07:46] <IIIEars> Fireworks - I had a similar situation. prolly just got lucky  passwd root -l       ("L") fixed it. try "users" and then "whoami" in a terminal.
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> So
[07:46] <caonex> I am trying to use administration tools from a normal user account; however, when Gnome tries to switch users, to root, by asking first for the passwd, the password does not seem to match the one for root because i am typing the same and it denies me, ideas?
[07:46] <CrustyPunk> I'm still not able to get into Ubuntuh
[07:47] <CrustyPunk> I can get a login screen now, but I can't get any further than that
[07:47] <jevidl> is there a quick way to tell what wireless access point I am currently sending traffic too? Or would I need to do something like ethereal?
[07:47] <Seveas> caonex, you need YOUR password for that
[07:47] <topyli> caonex: it wants your password, not root's
[07:47] <Seveas> caonex: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:47] <IIIEars> whoami and users might tell you if there is a problem with permissions
[07:47] <latis> is there any xmms->gimp plugin? So I can send the trackinfo to gimp?
[07:47] <topyli> caonex: why have you enabled root anyway?
[07:48] <caonex> Seveas, but I need to be in sudoers file?
[07:48] <topyli> caonex: the first user you make is in there automatically, and you can add others
[07:48] <caonex> topyli, i am not enabling it, i am just trying to configure something and it prompts for a passwd
[07:48] <caonex> topyli, i know.
[07:48] <topyli> ok
[07:49] <FiReWoRkS> if I mount in fstab, will I be able to access the files?
[07:49] <Seveas> caonex, yes
[07:49] <Seveas> or in the admin group
[07:49] <topyli> the group is better
[07:49] <topyli> less room for error :)
[07:49] <caonex> Seveas, but sudoers is better security wise, or not?
[07:50] <topyli> sudoers enables this group, no difference
[07:50] <Seveas> does anyone know of a password agent like ssh-agent, but for gnupg?
[07:51] <WldRbit>  You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[07:51] <WldRbit> Anybody got that while starting up enemy-territory / q3 ?
[07:52] <latis> is there any xmms->gimp plugin? So I can send the trackinfo to gimp? plz!
[07:52] <latis> Gaim I mean
[07:52] <abisen> okay i installed ubuntu on my laptop now what is the root password it never asked me one and it's not blank
[07:53] <bhna> abisen: there is no root paaword
[07:53] <bob2> abisen: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:53] <bob2> abisen: it did explain this to you during the install, and it is in the faq
[07:53] <bhna> abisen: use sudo and your password
[07:54] <FiReWoRkS> nothing works... I can mount it, but can access the files as a regular user... just trouhgh the terminal as root
[07:54] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: you need to mount it properly...if it's a ntfs or vfat partition, use the umask=000 option to mount/fstab
[07:55] <jevidl> any suggestions on how to tell what AP I am connected to?
[07:56] <bob2> jevidl: run iwconfig
[07:56] <latis> bob2, isnt it umask=0000 ?
[07:56] <Myrtti> is there any switch available in Gnome that would make any application start as always on top and on all workspaces?
[07:56] <bob2> latis: don't think so
[07:56] <latis> I use that and it works :P
[07:56] <jevidl> bob2: thanks, i figured there had to be something easy I was missing
[07:56] <bob2> Myrtti: that would be a metacity option, not a gnome one
[07:56] <bob2> Myrtti: I'd imagine devilspie can do it
[07:56] <topyli> Myrtti: i don't think so
[07:57] <topyli> ah, devilspie
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> bob2 what do i write in the "options" ?
[07:57] <Myrtti> devilspie hmmm
[07:57] <Myrtti> that would be loverly
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> that?
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> ro,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000
[07:57] <Myrtti> I need to get Freeguide to start as on all workspaces and on top
[07:57] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: umask=000, as I said
[07:57] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[07:58] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: ro,blah,blah,umask=000
[07:58] <latis> umask=0000 :P
[07:58] <Myrtti> I watch too little TV, so I need my alerts to choo me off the computer to the sofa
[07:58] <topyli> FiReWoRkS: you can get rid of the uid and gid
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> /dev/hda5       /mnt/arquivos   ntfs    ro,auto,umask=0000 0 0
[07:58] <FiReWoRkS> is this correct?
[07:59] <bob2> aside from the extra 0, yes
[07:59] <topyli> bob2: it's no harm either
[07:59] <bob2> yeah
[07:59] <bob2> it should be umask=002 in this case, anyway
[07:59] <topyli> aesthetics :)
[08:00] <bhna> FiReWoRkS: umask=0002,nls=utf8
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> hm
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> ok
[08:00] <FiReWoRkS> i'll try it
[08:01] <Vjaz> Anyone know if there is a version of the Human metacity theme that has the window controls (minimize, maximize, close) in the very top of the window (meaning they're infinitely big according to Fitt's law) ?
[08:05] <novaflare> bit off topic for the chanel but
[08:06] <novaflare> do any of you have experiance with cedega and playing direct x games on ubuntu http://www.transgaming.com/products_linux.php <<<< cedega
[08:06] <nk> hello how come ubuntu doens't have xscrnsaver.h ?
[08:07] <justin> nk: should it?
[08:07] <nk> justin, what do you mean?
[08:07] <nk> judson, at least in a xlib-dev package!
[08:08] <nk> sorry :)
[08:08] <nk> justin, :)
[08:08] <bob2> that doesn't sound like a header that would go in xlibs
[08:08] <justin> well for one, you are missing some e's
[08:08] <nk> guys ok where is it?
[08:08] <CrustyPunk> 'Lo again
[08:08] <justin> nk: what are you doing
[08:08] <CrustyPunk> O..kay, this is interesting.
[08:09] <nk> judson, I'm trying to complie an app that wants this header
[08:09] <nk> judson, sorry
[08:09] <nk> justin, :)
[08:09] <nk> justin, which pkg provides this header?
[08:09] <bob2> nk: it seems slightly suspicious that google has never heard of that file
[08:10] <CrustyPunk> Is there anyone here that was helping me with my problem earlier? =\
[08:10] <bob2> also the fact it's not even spelt correctly
[08:10] <bob2> xscreensaver.h is in the xscreensaver source package
[08:11] <bob2> what are you trying to compile?
[08:11] <nk> bob2, X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[08:11] <bob2> so, you mispelt it
[08:11] <nk> bob2, this X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h is in debian f.e.
[08:11] <bob2> do be more careful when asking for help
[08:11] <bob2> 04:06:20             nk |  hello how come ubuntu doens't have xscrnsaver.h ?
[08:11] <nk> bob2, I have debian and *archlinux* and ubuntu
[08:11] <nk> only ubotu thinks mispelling
[08:11] <bob2> nk: yes, and you mispelt the filename when asking for help
[08:12] <bob2> nk: it's in the libxss-dev package
[08:12] <nk> bob2, plz read what I've said
[08:12] <eliteforce^> hi
[08:12] <nk> k
[08:12] <CrustyPunk> Is there anyone here that was helping me with my problem earlier? =\
[08:12] <bob2> nk: your question isn't making sense, sorry
[08:12] <nk> bob2, thanks :)
[08:12] <bob2> CrustyPunk: best to just ask it again
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> There goes one of them =o
[08:13] <nk> bob2, thanks
[08:13] <nk> and sorry
[08:13] <eliteforce^> i'd like to add a mounted iso file to the apt-get sources.list: "deb file://usr/myuser/Kubuntu/mnt hoary main restricted" ... does somebody know if this is right?
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu gui
[08:13] <CrustyPunk> at the login screen, when I login it puts a console in the upper-left hand corner
[08:13] <eliteforce^> CrustyPunk, why?
[08:14] <yahalom> if my pppoe (adsl) disconnects how to do i reconnect it without restarting the pc?
[08:14] <CrustyPunk> I opened bitchx in said console to come here. =x
[08:14] <eliteforce^> g
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> eliteforce^: I don't know why it's happening
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Gives no error messages or anything
[08:15] <CrustyPunk> Just login *poof!* console
[08:15] <InitMass> do one have to secure apache, php and mysql if i only will use them in a dev enviroment and with a software firewall as protection?
[08:15] <eliteforce^> try ctrl+alt+f7
[08:16] <jamesio> have any of you tried installing the .deb from bittorrent.com?
[08:16] <bob2> InitMass: what could you "secure" about them?
[08:16] <bob2> jamesio: that's a bad idea
[08:16] <jamesio> bob2, define "bad idea"...  ;)
[08:17] <InitMass> bob2, deny access to other than localhost maybe and set a password
[08:17] <jamesio> and why would it be?
[08:17] <bob2> jamesio: what's wrong with the version in ubuntu?
[08:17] <CrustyPunk> I'm afraid I'll have to reinstall Ubuntu and I'm trying to avoid it at all costs
[08:17] <jamesio> bob2, it doesn't support trackerless torrents
[08:17] <Amaranth> bob2: the one in ubuntu is 3.x
[08:17] <bob2> jamesio: the problem with installing random .debs from elsewhere is they may break future ubunt upgrades, and you don't get security updates
[08:18] <jamesio> bob2, that's not exactly why I asked...
[08:18] <catch-> Hi all, I want to downgrade breezy to hoary
[08:18] <catch-> how do i go about doing that
[08:18] <catch-> did a google search
[08:18] <Amaranth> I've been looking into getting bittorrent 4.x into universe for breezy. I've made some modifications to it to make it not suck so much.
[08:18] <catch-> can't find much on it
[08:18] <Amaranth> catch-: Reinstall from a hoary CD.
[08:19] <CrustyPunk> Question
[08:19] <catch-> Amaranth one problem, no cd drive anymore, there must be a way to downgrade
[08:19] <bob2> catch-: no, sorry, you were warned not to use breezy
[08:19] <bob2> Amaranth: why not main?
[08:19] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to reinstall without losing things you've downloaded, installed, etc?
[08:19] <catch-> bob2
[08:19] <catch-> no i wasnt
[08:19] <Amaranth> bob2: 3.x is in universe, isn't it?
[08:19] <Amaranth> catch-: look at the channel topic
[08:19] <bob2> catch-: dude.  the topic says it.  the breezy announcesments said it.  people on the street say it.
[08:20] <Amaranth> catch-: I've said it in the forums.
[08:20] <catch-> I don't check any of them
[08:20] <bob2> I was walking down the street today and this stranger turned around and grabbed me and said "DO NOT UPGRADE TO BREEZY"
[08:20] <bob2> true story
[08:20] <InitMass> bob2, haha
[08:20] <nathan_> Hello all.  Sorry for the noobish question, but can anyone tell me if there's an option to hide the task bars when the mouse isn't focused on them?
[08:20] <bob2> catch-: upgrading to the development version is in general silly
[08:20] <catch-> I updated as soon as the new branch came out, given that hoary was stable-testing
[08:20] <bob2> you really can't claim you didn't know
[08:20] <catch-> well everyone did it for hoary
[08:20] <bob2> catch-: then you presumably expected it to set fire to your house
[08:21] <bob2> catch-: no, they didn't, and hoary was unusally stable
[08:21] <Micksa> ooer
[08:21] <CrustyPunk> Is it possible to reinstall without losing things you've downloaded, installed, etc?
[08:21] <IIIEars> nathan_  - yes
[08:21] <catch-> and I come from a gentoo background where you really have to run ~x86
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> nathan_: right click
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> nathan_: properties
[08:21] <catch-> which is "unstable"
[08:21] <yahalom> is there an pppoe plugin so i can connect and disconnect my adsl?
[08:21] <HrdwrBoB> 'autohide'
[08:21] <bob2> yahalom: pon and poff should be enough
[08:21] <dr_willis> CrustyPunk,  depends on what 'things' speficicially you are refering to. - best bet - backup the home dir. and reinstall, and reinstall the 'things'
[08:21] <Micksa> is it a mistake to upgrade to breezy yet?
[08:21] <catch-> Ok so i made a mistake, does that mean i should have to do a reinstall to do a downgrade? It shouldnt
[08:22] <yahalom> bob2, i know, but i want a pluging for my other family members who dont use terminal
[08:22] <CrustyPunk> Opera, Ogle, just apps and such
[08:22] <qaProgeny> Micksa:  beta....
[08:22] <bob2> catch-: on gentoo, how do you downgrade to the stable release?
[08:22] <Micksa> well yeah :)
[08:22] <bob2> catch-: how about redhat? how do I go from fedora 2 to fedora 1?
[08:22] <Micksa> but like, it's not totally unusable is it?
[08:22] <bob2> oh, wait, you can't?
[08:22] <Amaranth> catch-: breezy's meaning of unstable is 'every C++ app and everything that uses X is broken in some way'
[08:22] <hajiki> has anyone had any problems using their wireless card with a cisco access point? i got it running before but i forgot what i had to do...
[08:22] <bob2> Amaranth: oh, and you couldn't login on the terminal for a few days
[08:22] <InitMass> bob2, what do you think about the dev enviroment..?
[08:22] <qaProgeny> Micksa: not unstable, but still beta.  depends on your own comfort level.
[08:23] <Amaranth> bob2: yeah, util-linux
[08:23] <CrustyPunk> dr_willis: the problem is, I can't access the gui TO back these things up in the first place
[08:23] <catch-> undefine ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge sync && emerge update (from memory)
[08:23] <chillywilly> my breezy is usable :)
[08:23] <bob2> InitMass: hm? breezy or or ubuntu development in general?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> how to add my mounted ubuntu iso file to sources.list??? its located at /home/userxyz/isos/mnt
[08:23] <FnaRco> whats the command to run mplayer so it uses less memory?
[08:23] <InitMass> bob2, the apache/php/mysql i was talking about before
[08:23] <bob2> eliteforce^: didn;t you ask that a few minutes ago?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> ye
[08:23] <eliteforce^> s
[08:23] <bob2> eliteforce^: did you try it?
[08:23] <eliteforce^> yes
[08:23] <chillywilly> is firefox updated to 1.0.4 in either ubuntu distros?
[08:24] <bob2> chillywilly: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:24] <holycow> chillywilly, no but patches backported
[08:24] <qaProgeny> chilly:  not in hoary for certain.
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> worked bob2
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> thanks
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[08:24] <bob2> InitMass: oh, it works fine, if that's what you mean.  I'd make them listen on localhost, but I'm paranoid
[08:24] <Micksa> gnome/gtk menu shortcuts have stopped working for me
[08:24] <FiReWoRkS> why cant i install xmms? what's required?
[08:24] <eliteforce^> the line: deb file://home/userxyz/isos/mnt hoary main restricted
[08:24] <InitMass> bob2, how do i do it?
[08:24] <Micksa> it's like, all the shortcut keys do the same thing
[08:24] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:25] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: enable the universe repository
[08:25] <holycow> fireworks, you may wish to try beep first, it's quite nice
[08:25] <FnaRco> whats the command to run mplayer so it uses less memory?
[08:25] <bob2> Micksa: in breezy? known bug.
[08:25] <catch-> bob2: sorry I ment undefine ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge sync && emerge -uDp world (from memory)
[08:25] <bob2> FnaRco: er, is there one?
[08:25] <Micksa> there's a known fix right? :)
[08:25] <bob2> catch-: ok!
[08:25] <FiReWoRkS> tks
[08:25] <FnaRco> bob2: yeah it is.. rich told me today but I forgot what it was
[08:25] <Amaranth> Micksa: The fix is to not use breezy.
[08:25] <FiReWoRkS> holycow,  is beep really good?
[08:25] <eliteforce^> please help ;)
[08:25] <chillywilly> ok, it shows 1.0.4 but I still have 1.0.2
[08:25] <Micksa> bob2: got a url?
[08:26] <bob2> chillywilly: yes, you're not using breezy
[08:26] <chillywilly> yes, I am
[08:26] <chillywilly> I am brave
[08:26] <bob2> FiReWoRkS: beep is pretty much identical to xmms
[08:26] <bob2> s/brave/silly/
[08:26] <LazySod> is there a grapical tool to burn bin and isos?
[08:26] <Amaranth> chillywilly: The package name is firefox now.
[08:26] <nathan_> thank you
[08:26] <chillywilly> bah
[08:26] <FiReWoRkS> hm... ok... i'll try it =)
[08:26] <Amaranth> LazySod: Right click on the ISO and choose write to disc.
[08:27] <chillywilly> didn't realize that
[08:27] <Amaranth> LazySod: Not so simple for bin/cue. You need to convert them to iso somehow.
[08:27] <bob2> LazySod: for bins, convert them to an iso with bchunk
[08:27] <dr_willis> LazySod,  i hear that k3b can burn cue/bin files to cd.
[08:27] <chillywilly> bob2: I am not silly
[08:27] <Amaranth> bchunk hates me, it never makes ISO9660 images
[08:28] <catch-> bob2: ok ...... meaning ubuntu simply doesnt have the simple ability to downgrade?
[08:28] <bob2> Micksa: can't seem to find the url now, sorry
[08:28] <bob2> catch-: it does indeed, but it's not guaranteed to work
[08:28] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu GUI
[08:28] <bob2> catch-: if you don't know advanced apt fiddling, it's easier to reinstall
[08:28] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I login it puts me into a console
[08:28] <bob2> or use gentoo if you really think that will help
[08:28] <Amaranth> catch-: It isn't 'simple' by any definition of the term. It only works in gentoo because you basically recompile the entire system from scratch to downgrade.
[08:28] <Nermal> hello all
[08:28] <LazySod> oh, nice... works just fine!
[08:28] <chillywilly> but you can still downgrade
[08:29] <chillywilly> :P
[08:29] <Nermal> I'm hot, sweating and wearing nothing but a Code of Conduct
[08:29] <bob2> catch-: you can pin hoary above breezy and let apt try
[08:29] <eliteforce^> yes it works
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> i just spent 2 days trying to download the torrent for ubuntu 5.04 instal/Live DVD and it said it was finished when it still had 200 megs to go
[08:29] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: the tracker is down, sorry
[08:30] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: the tracker died
[08:30] <Dr_Melectaus> ahh crap
[08:30] <bob2> it's being looked at
[08:30] <Dr_Melectaus> when will it be back up if anyone knows?
[08:30] <Amaranth> we need 4.1.x bittorrent and trackerless torrents ;)
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> worked bob2
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> thanks again
[08:30] <Amaranth> you wouldn't be able to keep track of # of downloads that way, but oh well
[08:30] <FiReWoRkS> =)
[08:30] <bob2> np
[08:31] <Amaranth> is it sad that i'm installing KDE things just to see Smeg handle their icons correctly (unlike the real menu)?
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> Does anyone know weather i will have to download the whole thing again? i only had 200 megs to go and i have a really lousy connection
[08:31] <truz24> is there a way to take the first x characters from each line in a file
[08:31] <Dr_Melectaus> took me 4 days to get to 2500 odd mb
[08:31] <truz24> using grep or the like ?
[08:31] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - no. BT will fill in broken/missing parts
[08:31] <paulproteus> Dr_Melectaus: It will pick up where it left off.
[08:32] <bob2> truz24: sed can
[08:32] <paulproteus> The packages are download to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:32] <Dr_Melectaus> kick ass. im useing bitTornado so thats cool
[08:32] <paulproteus> I'll be back later.
[08:32] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - I start/stop BT all the time.  sometimes it crashes even
[08:32] <Amaranth> ugliest thing i've ever seen
[08:32] <Dr_Melectaus> is  it likely to be back up soon, or will it take a while to get going again?
[08:32] <bob2> Amaranth: eh?
[08:32] <bob2> Amaranth: the gtk gui?
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> sorry just keen to get on ubuntu :D
[08:33] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - part of the "protocol" is to expect some bad data, so it checks what it got and gets it again if is broken (or not there)
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> im downloading the live cd instead just now
[08:33] <Dr_Melectaus> cool
[08:33] <catch-> back sorry, Amaranth: it doesn't recompile the entire system, only things that it requires, bob2: is the procedure documented anywhere, I can't install from cd atm as i have no cd drive to use, what did you mean by pin hoary above breezy?
[08:33] <Amaranth> bob2: no, that's bittorrent 4, i love that. I'm talking about bittornado, which is based on 3, which uses wxpython, which uses gtk1
[08:33] <HappyFool> you could always download the install CD (about 600MB) and then install only what you need extra via apt
[08:33] <bob2> Amaranth: "ugliest thing i've ever seen" is what I was refering to
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> i wasted 2 dvd's burning it off and trying to boot from it lol, thought my comp was fucked
[08:34] <bob2> Amaranth: and that just means you're not running it in screen like $deity intended ;)
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> HappyFool, im downloading the live cd just now
[08:34] <a_monkey> UbuntuProb: hello :)
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> im going to wait for the dvd install/ live then ill use that to install it
[08:34] <Amaranth> bob2: heh, i don't need to. My BitTorrent 4 has a tray icon. :D
[08:34] <UbuntuProb> can anyone help me installing smartUSB56 on ubuntu ? PLease..
[08:34] <Dr_Melectaus> can i use the dvd to partition my hdd? as i will still need to use dows
[08:34] <bob2> catch-: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html
[08:34] <CarlK> catch - or use my obsession: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[08:35] <bob2> catch-: when people say "don't use breezy", they do mean it
[08:35] <UbuntuProb> i've tried googling.. but, no progress
[08:35] <bob2> UbuntuProb: is it too late to return it and get a real modem?
[08:35] <catch-> bob2: with no one around me who really does computing, and it just being myself with no time to read forums, noone told me
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian then?
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> im curiouse
[08:35] <catch-> thank you for the help
[08:35] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : what do you mean by that ?
[08:35] <Amaranth> breezy is the kind of distro where you don't restart for a week not just because you don't need to but because you don't know if anything will come back up when you turn it back on
[08:36] <bob2> UbuntuProb: can you go get a serial modem?
[08:36] <Amaranth> chillywilly: Got the latest X? If so, don't log out or restart.
[08:36] <bob2> using breezy does not make you smarter or better or cooler, it just makes you an alpha tester
[08:36] <chillywilly> Amaranth: yes, I do and my X works fine
[08:36] <Micksa> I'm smarter, better and cooler anyway
[08:36] <Amaranth> chillywilly: What did you do to it? I've got a recursive symlink.
[08:37] <chillywilly> well...how late is the latest?
[08:37] <UbuntuProb> found this at the back : v1456vqe 030810216
[08:37] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : found this at the back : v1456vqe 030810216
[08:37] <Amaranth> chillywilly: latest meaning no X upgrades show up in synaptic
[08:37] <chillywilly> I upgraded yesterday
[08:37] <bob2> UbuntuProb: ok.  is it too late to take it back to the store and get a serial modem instead?
[08:37] <Amaranth> that might not be the latest
[08:37] <chillywilly> I don't really use the GUI much
[08:37] <chillywilly> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:37] <chillywilly> weeeee
[08:38] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : usb modem won't connect in ubuntu ?
[08:38] <chillywilly> bob2: using breezy may increase your penis size ;)
[08:38] <chillywilly> and get you chicks
[08:38] <bob2> UbuntuProb: they might, but they're going to be way more of a pain in the ass than a serial one will be
[08:38] <chillywilly> stuff like that
[08:39] <bob2> chillywilly: you have no time to get chicks, since you can't login anymore and do your job
[08:39] <danko_slp> heh, will
[08:39] <Micksa> bob2: are you canonical's #ubuntu caretaker? :)
[08:39] <chillywilly> bob2: I can login, want me to do it again?
[08:39] <bob2> Micksa: I just procrastinate a lot
[08:39] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i don't think i have any other choice, most article in the internet doesn't mention about usb ..
[08:39] <bob2> and wait for launchpad pages to load ;)
[08:39] <Micksa> *snigger*
[08:40] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so, is there any article you can refer to me ?
[08:40] <chillywilly> I can just sit here and harass you guys to fix things an therefore contribute to the overall productivity of Ubuntun ;)
[08:40] <chillywilly> Ubuntu too
[08:40] <dabaSlon> wow, 2 projects?
[08:40] <anto9us> 10 or 12 hours of procrastination can really get your mind in gear for the rest of the day
[08:41] <bob2> very few people here are involved in ubuntu development
[08:41] <bob2> UbuntuProb: is it a winmodem or a proper modem?
[08:41] <chillywilly> well, that's a shame
[08:41] <bob2> UbuntuProb: run "tail -f /var/log/messages" and plug it in and tell us what it says
[08:42] <UbuntuProb> ok.. got to disconnect first
[08:42] <UbuntuProb> brb
[08:43] <Micksa> https://wiki.utbox.net/index.php/Main_Page
[08:43] <Micksa> purdy
[08:44] <bob2> alphabet[NTNWWNe: please turn that highly obnoxious irc script off
[08:44] <Micksa> I sure was sick of the default mediawiki layout
[08:44] <chillywilly> ?
[08:44] <chillywilly> what script?
[08:45] <bob2> the one that /notice'd me for allegedly mentioning it's nick
[08:45] <chillywilly> don't mention his nick then ;)
[08:46] <Micksa> oh look, I suck. never mind.
[08:46] <chillywilly> alphabet[NTNWWNe: ping
[08:46] <IIIEars> Synaptic >> Repository >> Authentication >> Restore default Keys doesn't seem to repair the errors i am seing with Ubuntu ftp Master. What is the next step.
[08:46] <qaProgeny> alphabet[NTNWWNe: pong
[08:46] <Micksa> http://knobbits.org/ws.png
[08:47] <qaProgeny> indeed, that is annoying.
[08:47] <bob2> IIIEars: have you pasted the error to #flood?
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> ok.. got it
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> usb.agent[..] : slusb can't be loaded
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> kernel: slusb: Unknown symbol usb_endpoint_halted
[08:47] <chillywilly> I like it
[08:47] <novaflare> any one know of somethign like cedega thats opensource?
[08:47] <IIIEars> sure i can do that.
[08:47] <bob2> novaflare: wine
[08:47] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so ?
[08:47] <novaflare> doubt wine would run ryzom though
[08:47] <novaflare> could try
[08:47] <novaflare> hmm
[08:47] <chillywilly> I am going to write one that dcc's a huge file to people who reference my nick...now that would annoying :)
[08:48] <qaProgeny> just more annoying.  the other is the baseline for annoying.
[08:48] <bob2> surely there is no irc client in the world that autoaccepts dcc's from random people
[08:48] <bob2> UbuntuProb: what have you done so far?
[08:48] <chillywilly> oh, better yet...it can do that ctcp sound crap
[08:48] <novaflare> any of them can
[08:48] <chillywilly> but that would only work for the mirc people
[08:48] <bob2> er, by default
[08:49] <chillywilly> it can be like I have terrets syndrom and randomly ctcp phrases at them
[08:49] <chillywilly> yea, that sounds like fun
[08:49] <Amaranth> chillywilly: random CTCPs are always fun
[08:49] <IIIEars> Okay, Done. :)
[08:49] <eruin> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/readahead/readahead_1.0.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> Help D=
[08:50] <UbuntuProb> can i pm anyone here about my problem ?
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> I can't get to the Ubuntu GUI
[08:50] <CrustyPunk> As soon as I login it kicks me into a console
[08:50] <IIIEars> bob2 - What do you think?
[08:50] <eliteforce1> hi
[08:51] <bob2> IIIEars: gpg --recv-key 46181433FBB75451 ; gpg --export 46181433FBB75451  | sudo apt-key add -
[08:51] <abisen_> okay installed : ) and working fine till now ... now the only thing is i am missing compilers gcc, g++ so i am installing them using synaptic
[08:51] <bob2> don't know why you don't have it, tho
[08:51] <IIIEars> Great! - Thanks :)
[08:51] <abisen_> does anybody have any experience in installing vmware 5 for ubuntu
[08:51] <bob2> abisen_: install build-essential
[08:51] <jnk> UbuntuProb, what's the prob
[08:51] <bob2> IIIEars: np
[08:51] <eliteforce1> i installed kubuntu-desktop and set kdm as default, but it still loads gnome
[08:51] <abisen_> bob2, just on the command line
[08:51] <UbuntuProb> jnk : it's about installing smartUSB56 modem into linux
[08:51] <bob2> abisen_: no, install is a verb ;)
[08:52] <UbuntuProb> i mean ubuntu
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: have you looked in /var/log/Xorg.*.log ?
[08:52] <abisen_> bob2, okies build-essential is a meta package
[08:52] <bob2> UbuntuProb: what have you done?  someone install broken smartlink drivers on your system.
[08:52] <eliteforce1> how can i set kde as default?
[08:52] <bob2> abisen_: yes
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> No, how do I do that through the console?
[08:52] <bob2> eliteforce1: try #kubuntu
[08:52] <IIIEars> I might guess it was the addition of the "Add-ons" CD - read too late that it was Unofficial.
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: and maybe in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:52] <CrustyPunk> Jst type that in?
[08:52] <RabidWolf> hmmm anyone know if theres a way to make a ntfs mount readable by all users instead of just root or do i just need to break down and convert it to fat
[08:52] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: login with your username and password
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: then type 'less /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[08:53] <bob2> RabidWolf: add umask=002 to the options columne in fstab
[08:53] <eliteforce1> bob2: just dont tell me where i should go to
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> I already am--I'm running bitchx from that console window
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> Okay
[08:53] <dr_willis> RabidWolf,  with the right fstab options all users can read it. (check out the UID and GID, and umask options)
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: also try 'less ~/.xsession-errors'
[08:53] <CrustyPunk> Okay.
[08:53] <bob2> eliteforce1: what?
[08:53] <RabidWolf> hmmm i dont have it in my fstab as of yet
[08:53] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: ok, get to a bash prompt (e.g., try Alt-F2 to get a new console -- Alt-F1 to get back to your bitchx)
[08:53] <eliteforce1> bob2: the people in #kubuntu will say, hey try #ubuntu
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : someone.. that would be me... :).. i thought i use the correct driver (from www.smlink.com)
[08:54] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: are you running standard ubuntu 'hoary hedgehog' ?
[08:54] <CrustyPunk> Alt+F2 doesn't work
[08:54] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: yes
[08:54] <jnk> UbuntuProb, sorry I don't know
[08:54] <HappyFool> ?
[08:54] <HappyFool> erm
[08:54] <bob2> eliteforce1: er, tha's rather silly of them, the entire point of #kubuntu is to support people uding kde on ubuntu
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : how can i clear this broken driver
[08:54] <UbuntuProb> jnk : thanks anyway :)
[08:54] <jnk> :)
[08:54] <HappyFool> do you have a 'special' keyboard with extra keys (like volume control etc.) ?
[08:55] <jnk> is there there a gothic font available in ubuntu ?
[08:55] <Razor-X> special keyboards.... *shudders*
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> Noe, standard keyboard
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> 104, I believe
[08:55] <neighborlee> how does one change livecd monitor settings to get better resolution ?
[08:55] <Razor-X> Dvorak keyboard for me ;)
[08:55] <Razor-X> and a trackball
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> Err... or would 104 be special?
[08:55] <HappyFool> try Alt-F1 , -F2... etc up to F7
[08:55] <neighborlee> I dont think it detected monitor right  in other words....
[08:55] <HappyFool> none of them work/
[08:55] <HappyFool> no
[08:55] <HappyFool> 104 is pretty standard
[08:55] <novaflare> hmm how do i start a install under wine?
[08:55] <CrustyPunk> None work
[08:56] <neighborlee> novaflare, wine binary
[08:56] <HappyFool> hmm
[08:56] <novaflare> so wine and file name
[08:56] <neighborlee> up
[08:56] <neighborlee> yup
[08:56] <HappyFool> you did have to login at the console, right?
[08:56] <IIIEars> bob2 -Still ugly but better - Thank You.   - Can you point me to a wicki or an ubuntu gpg key to puzzle at?
[08:56] <CrustyPunk> Should I get out of bitchx and try the "less" commands and come back?
[08:56] <novaflare> like for  ryzom the installer cd uses ryzom.msi it would be wine ryzom.msi ?
[08:56] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: No, the login screen comes up. Once logged in, Ig et kicked to a console in the upper left
[08:56] <bob2> IIIEars: that didn't fix it?
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: hang on a moment...
[08:57] <RabidWolf> bob2, /dev/hda1       /windows        ntfs    umask=002,rw,user  0       0
[08:57] <RabidWolf> look like what you meant?
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: that Alt-F2 etc thing really ought to work
[08:57] <IIIEars> bob2 - no, - NP i enjoy the puzzle.
[08:57] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: it's fairly basic
[08:57] <CrustyPunk> Hmm
[08:57] <bob2> UbuntuProb: please don't /msg people
[08:57] <bob2> RabidWolf: right
[08:58] <RabidWolf> kewl thanks
[08:58] <CrustyPunk> Alt-F4 and up puts "3~" in the text area
[08:58] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : ok
[08:58] <RabidWolf> now guess i need to remount it heh
[08:58] <bob2> IIIEars: repeating that for each long string of hex digits should fix it
[08:58] <HappyFool> in bitchx ? or a new, blank screen ?
[08:58] <bob2> RabidWolf: sudo mount -o remount /windows
[08:58] <CrustyPunk> In bitchx
[08:58] <IIIEars> Okay. :)
[08:58] <bob2> UbuntuProb: if you installed from source, you're kinda screwed
[08:58] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: it sounds like ubuntu and you keyboard aren't talking to each other properly
[08:59] <bob2> UbuntuProb: and in future, when you come asking for help, after trying and failing to install something, please do mention that in your question
[08:59] <CrustyPunk> Lovely. Chalk up another problem I didn't know about. =P
[08:59] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i'm not sure how to reconfigure that
[08:59] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : oo.. ok, sorry about that, I didn't know the rule..
[08:59] <CrustyPunk> Should I logout and try the "less" commands and come back?
[08:59] <HappyFool> in fact, i thought most keyboards would 'just work'
[09:00] <cspnic1> hi
[09:00] <RabidWolf> hmmm bob2 still showing the same perms on /windows
[09:00] <cspnic1> with oO how i can import html table ?
[09:00] <CrustyPunk> In my experience, things that "just work" are laying in wait to "just fuck up" =P
[09:00] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : so, does this mean, the easiest method is to reinstall ubuntu ? i don't really mind if you have to do it from the scratch
[09:00] <RabidWolf> dr-x------
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> So, HappyFool: Should I logout and try the less commands and come back?
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> Or do you have another trick or two up your sleeve?
[09:01] <bob2> UbuntuProb: no, you just have to go find them manually
[09:01] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: let's try that, but i think there are ... err. deeper problems ;).
[09:01] <CrustyPunk> So do I, Happy. =P
[09:01] <bob2> UbuntuProb: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/|grep slusb
[09:02] <CrustyPunk> I'm desperately trying to avoid reinstalling. =P
[09:02] <CrustyPunk> Be back.
[09:02] <anto9us> cspnic1: you just open it from within oO
[09:02] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : find and delete it ? right ?
[09:03] <cspnic1> but it stay in .html
[09:03] <bob2> UbuntuProb: yeah
[09:03] <reisio> what stay in .html?
[09:03] <anto9us> cspnic1: you want to convert it?
[09:04] <cspnic1> yes
[09:04] <anto9us> cspnic1: just select save as and choose your format :)
[09:04] <cspnic1> and it work?
[09:04] <cspnic1> i retry
[09:04] <LazySod> does ubuntu use iptables or ipchains, and where do i change 'em (preferable with gnome tools)?
[09:05] <cspnic1> no
[09:05] <cspnic1> when i launch it
[09:05] <bob2> LazySod: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[09:05] <bob2> LazySod: nothing using ipchains anymore
[09:05] <cspnic1> he close the he windows
[09:05] <LazySod> thanks bob2
[09:05] <bob2> there's firestarter or something which is a gtk thing for configuring it
[09:05] <LazySod> i really should have learned the filesystem by now!
[09:06] <LazySod> oh... firestarter isn't an additional tool?
[09:06] <ivoks> firestarter is just a gui for iptables
[09:07] <ivoks> and it can't do everything that iptables can
[09:07] <cspnic1> my open office bug
[09:07] <abisen_> bob2, how do i install kernel-headers or linux kernel sources so that my vmware builds it modules
[09:07] <anto9us> cspnic1: unfortunately it doesn't convert, sorry
[09:07] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the difference between ubuntu and debian then?
[09:07] <Dr_Melectaus> im curiouse
[09:07] <bob2> every firewalling tool on linux is going to just be a wrapper for iptables
[09:07] <cspnic1> then what i can must do?
[09:07] <CrustyPunk> Ooookay, I'm back,
[09:07] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: Ubuntu is Debian with a lot of preinstalled stuff and a simpler, more streamlined installer
[09:07] <bob2> abisen_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:08] <bob2> reisio: the installers are basically identical
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> ahh, cheers
[09:08] <reisio> bob2: they're not identical
[09:08] <mark345> anyone here know how to create a limewire shortcut?
[09:08] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool:
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> so what difference is there between the ubuntu that comes on cd and the version on DVD
[09:08] <abisen_> bob2, thanks a ton
[09:08] <bob2> reisio: sarge has maybe 2 or 3 more questions, plus the root password
[09:08] <Dr_Melectaus> i take it the CD has alot of features cut out
[09:08] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: I imagine the DVD ones comes with a whole lot more packages to install from disc
[09:08] <CarlK> reisio - dont forget "and it is here not, not in 18 months."
[09:09] <Dr_Melectaus> kk
[09:09] <reisio> bob2: they're not identical
[09:09] <Amaranth> The DVD has all of main on it, doesn't it?
[09:09] <bob2> Dr_Melectaus: no, the cd is the standard set of features
[09:09] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: here
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> Dir /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic and /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID weren't found
[09:09] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[09:09] <reisio> CarlK: that is a stupid reason to use Ubuntu
[09:09] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : found some files, and i've deleted them.. so, what now ?
[09:09] <bob2> reisio: in what ways do they differ then?
[09:09] <dooglus> I can hear 'drumming' noises when I do certain things, so the sound is working, but mplayer doesn't make a sound.  What do I need to do?
[09:09] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: any obvious error messages there ?
[09:09] <mark345> anyone here know how to make a limewire shortcut?
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> fonts.dir not found
[09:09] <reisio> CarlK: but then the inept often make up silly reasons
[09:09] <CrustyPunk> open APM failed
[09:09] <Amaranth> all of main doesn't get installed, but it's there so you don't need internet access to get it
[09:09] <bob2> dooglus: does "mplayer -ao esd blah.avi" play sound?
[09:09] <CarlK> reisio huh?
[09:10] <dooglus> bob2, no, it doesn't.
[09:10] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: Did you get all that?
[09:10] <dooglus> File not found: 'blah.avi'
[09:10] <dooglus> Failed to open blah.avi
[09:10] <CarlK> oh boy.
[09:10] <bob2> dooglus: dude, subsituting a file you actually have
[09:10] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: those are warnings
[09:10] <dooglus> ok.  that works.  thanks dude!
[09:10] <dooglus> :)
[09:10] <HappyFool> i get all those too
[09:10] <CrustyPunk> There weren't any errors, just warnings
[09:10] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: errors start with (EE)
[09:10] <CarlK> dooglus - how about $ aplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav
[09:11] <anto9us> cspnic1: what format do you want to convert to?
[09:11] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:11] <CarlK> dooglus - nm.
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> whats the URL to the torrent tracker? just so i can check it every now and again to see when it goes back up
[09:11] <dooglus> bob2: the 'esd' thing is very 'laggy'.
[09:11] <bob2> dooglus: yeah
[09:11] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541
[09:11] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: ok, there's also a /var/log/gdm directory
[09:11] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: uh, that's not in response to your last msg :p
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> Alright
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> I'll check that out
[09:11] <bob2> dooglus: just killing it might be a better option
[09:11] <CrustyPunk> Be back
[09:11] <reisio> bad timing
[09:11] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: those files have funny names though, like :0.log
[09:11] <Dr_Melectaus> :P
[09:12] <CrustyPunk> Okay?
[09:12] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: so to view them you'll have to type less \:0.log
[09:12] <Obadiah21> hello
[09:12] <HappyFool> ok, just be careful with the filenames ;)
[09:12] <CrustyPunk> Will do
[09:12] <CarlK> Dr_Melectaus - just let BT run - it will check every 30 seconds or something
[09:12] <HappyFool> the '\' is a 'quote' character
[09:12] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[09:12] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: you can list files with 'ls'
[09:12] <cspnic1> anto9us:>*.doc
[09:12] <cspnic1> for school
[09:12] <dooglus> bob2, on Mandriva I used to use the default 'ao', whatever that was, and it wasn't laggy at all.
[09:12] <LazySod> but... aint the firewall on by default?
[09:13] <Obadiah21> Anybody had any luck getting gnome configurator to load on Hoary?
[09:13] <cspnic1> but my open office bug on big document
[09:13] <dooglus> how can I stop 'esd' from running when I log in?
[09:13] <cspnic1> but it converts tale when i do ctrl+a
[09:14] <bob2> dooglus: yeah, presumably alsa or oss, 'pkill esd' before running mplayer will do the same
[09:14] <paco> hi1
[09:14] <paco> hola
[09:14] <dooglus> there must be some way of asking esd not to start, isn't there?
[09:14] <reisio> evil sound daemons :p
[09:14] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : err.. what should i do now ? i've deleted the files
[09:14] <bob2> dooglus: sure, in the gnome preferences
[09:15] <kent> dooglus, if you realy dont want esd to run at all, then stop the sound daemon.  System->Settings->Sound.
[09:15] <bob2> dooglus: but then gaim won't make noises either, etc
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: find the right drivers and install them
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: sl-modem-source - SmartLink software modem driver - module building source
[09:15] <dooglus> bob2, that's a good thing!  :)  why should a chat program make sounds...  :)
[09:15] <bob2> UbuntuProb: that package seems to be worth looking at
[09:15] <reisio> dooglus: agreed :p
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> does anyone here know if the Ubuntu torrent tracker is down?
[09:16] <bob2> pixelmonkey: yes, it is
[09:16] <anto9us> cspnic1: you then want to edit it after conversion?
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> bob2: ;-)
[09:16] <cspnic1> anto9us:>yes
[09:16] <pixelmonkey> good, I thought it was my client for a second.
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> pixelmonkey, aye its down. i am haveing probs as well
[09:17] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : google for it ? or is there certain website to do that ? sorry, i just know a little about linux
[09:17] <bob2> UbuntuProb: that is a package in ubuntu
[09:17] <bob2> UbuntuProb: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in the universe archive
[09:17] <Dr_Melectaus> whats kubuntu ?
[09:18] <EazyVG> kde ubuntu
[09:18] <bob2> if you have no internet access on the ubuntu machine, tho, it won't be fun
[09:18] <HappyFool> kde-ified ubuntu
[09:18] <UbuntuProb> bob2: ok, i'll look into it
[09:18] <Dr_Melectaus> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[09:19] <HappyFool> depends if you like kde or not ;)
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: just a different default desktop environment afaik
[09:19] <Dr_Melectaus> kk
[09:19] <CrustyPunk> HappyFool: "Unable to find valid framebuffer device"
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: if you're new, you might want to try many desktop environments
[09:19] <CrustyPunk> "RADEON(0) failed to open framebuffer device"
[09:19] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: then you can settle on your favorite (or just use lots :p)
[09:20] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i'm guessing you have an ATI card?
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Yeah
[09:20] <reisio> :p
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Radeon 9600
[09:20] <CrustyPunk> Maybe the ATI/Ubuntu issues are to blame?
[09:20] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: did you install drivers, or are you still using.. err. standard Xorg drivers ?
[09:20] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, once i have ubuntu installed is it easy enough to change the destop to kde? or would i have to download the os with it if you get me :-\
[09:20] <HappyFool> I don't have ATI, I'm not familiar with the issues
[09:21] <CrustyPunk> I think I'm still using the standard Xorg
[09:21] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:21] <HappyFool> what i don't understand is why gdm logs you in, then breaks
[09:21] <reisio> standard Xorg?
[09:22] <HappyFool> standard Xorg ATI drivers
[09:22] <HappyFool> i assume there is such a thing
[09:22] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: desktop environments merely present the OSs stuff, it's not integrated
[09:22] <LazySod> it's rather easy...  Dr_Melectaus
[09:22] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: it should be simple to get and use many
[09:22] <mjr> HappyFool, there is, just that the 3d only works for <=9250
[09:22] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks guys
[09:23] <HappyFool> mjr: ok. well, CrustyPunk gets a weird error in his gdm log: "RADEON(0) failed to open framebuffer device"
[09:24] <anto9us> cspnic1: there's an html importer plugin for abiword
[09:24] <Shadow`AxC> ubuntu comes with a bootloader right?
[09:24] <CrustyPunk> I'd assume it failed because "unable to find valid framebuffer device"
[09:24] <CrustyPunk> Shadow`AxC: Yes
[09:24] <mjr> HappyFool, weird to me, too :I
[09:25] <dooglus> another question for you:  when I first installed ubuntu (yesterday), I was surprised to find that I could access Windows shares on the LAN without any configuration at all.  Now, however, I've somehow managed to break it.  I see "Windows Network", but when I open it, I don't see the local workgroup's name, like I used to.  What might I have done?  Would setting up shorewall have broken it perhaps?
[09:25] <Dr_Melectaus> is kde what knoppix usees?
[09:25] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: by default I think, yes
[09:26] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: i found this via google, don't really know if it helps: "Because no framebuffer device is active in the kernel; not even vesafb, but you need radeonfb for this."
[09:26] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: but Knoppix usually comes with a couple window managers I think
[09:26] <Dr_Melectaus> aright, just trying to find out what they all look like
[09:26] <HappyFool> CrustyPunk: hang-on -- when you do a xorg configure, i think you can choose whether or not to use a framebuffer device
[09:26] <CarlK> doug - probably - try oping port 137 and 139
[09:26] <_Larry_> join  #<leon>
[09:26] <nCrustyPuk> Arg
[09:26] <nCrustyPuk> My connection dropped
[09:26] <HappyFool> doh
[09:26] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment has links to articles (with screenshots usually) covering many of the more popular envionrments/managers
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPunk: (from earlier) i found this via google, don't really know if it helps: "Because no framebuffer device is active in the kernel; not even vesafb, but you need radeonfb for this."
[09:27] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks reisio
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> Any idea what it means? =o
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPunk: when you do a xorg configure, i think you can choose whether or not to use a framebuffer device
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> Ah
[09:27] <nCrustyPuk> SHould I reconfigure and not use a framebuffer?
[09:27] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', and, when you get the choice, choose *NOT* to use the framebuffer
[09:28] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: that is my best guess
[09:28] <nCrustyPuk> Alright.. be right back.
[09:28] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: otherwise I think you'll have to try the mailing lists
[09:28] <bobi> hi
[09:28] <elvirolo> hi all
[09:29] <reisio> elvirolo: lo
[09:29] <reisio> bob2: you too :p
[09:30] <mjr> hm, how much did a base hoary install take space by default, again?
[09:30] <dooglus> mjr: mine took 1.4Gb I think
[09:30] <darkaudit> so much for 'pool now :(
[09:30] <AirWays> Hrr
[09:30] <AirWays> No
[09:30] <mjr> dooglus, thanks
[09:30] <dooglus> poor scousers :)
[09:30] <spinifex> omg I'm stupid.  I deleted the top panel in gnome.  How can I get it back?  (probably reconfigure a package?)
[09:31] <AirWays> Mine took some < 1Gb
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> I think im going to knock together some ubuntu wallpapers for once ive installed :)
[09:31] <bob2> mjr: 1.8GB
[09:31] <bob2> for the default desktop install
[09:31] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: k, be sure they have nipples
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> No go
[09:31] <dooglus> spinifex: right-click on the bottom panel in some space, and click 'new panel'
[09:31] <bob2> 1.2gB if you don't have it copy .debs to your disk then install them
[09:31] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: what happened?
[09:31] <Dr_Melectaus> nipples, reisio just for you. It/they SHALL have nipples ; (
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Same thing.
[09:31] <reisio> lol
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Reconfigured, without using the framebuffer
[09:31] <spinifex> dooglus: it's the panel with "Applications" and "Places" and "system tools" and such.  How can I get those back?
[09:31] <nCrustyPuk> Stll doesn't work
[09:32] <reisio> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/ubuntu.jpg
[09:32] <usynic> anyone using amd64 ?
[09:32] <dooglus> spinifex: get the panel back first, as I described, then use 'add to panel' on the new top panel to add it
[09:32] <usynic> I had it working fine, but when I rebooted this evening it said it couldn't mount root VFS
[09:32] <usynic> I haven't done anything to the kernel
[09:32] <Dr_Melectaus> reisio, just seen that, was googling to see what different desktop enviroments look like :D
[09:33] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: lol
[09:33] <reisio> Dr_Melectaus: the ones for the other distros are funny, too
[09:33] <HappyFool> nCrustyPuk: I'm out of ideas. You can try the mailing list. There's a guy called daniels who's here occasionally -- i get the idea he knows lots about X configuration. Ask him when/if he's around.
[09:33] <spinifex> dooglus: how do I add the applications menu back to it?
[09:33] <nCrustyPuk> OKay
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> Thanks for your help, though
[09:34] <elvirolo> i'm strying to make entrance become my default login manager ... so i did update-rc.d entranced start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 6 .
[09:34] <reisio> spinifex: right-click on panel, hit "Add"
[09:34] <dooglus> spinifex: it's called "Menu Bar"
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> I might just bite the buller and reinstall
[09:34] <HappyFool> sorry i couldn't do more...
[09:34] <HappyFool> yeah. have you tried the live cd? does it work?
[09:34] <spinifex> oh, thanks
[09:34] <dooglus> you're welcome
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> Haven't tried the live CD
[09:34] <Dr_Melectaus> reisio, ill have a look then :)
[09:34] <nCrustyPuk> I went right for the install
[09:35] <HappyFool> might be a non-install way just to check out your hardware support
[09:35] <dooglus> any help for my question of 21:25 out there please?
[09:35] <elvirolo> but it says /etc/init.d/entranced does not exist
[09:35] <spinifex> joy.
[09:35] <elvirolo> can anyone help me?
[09:35] <nCrustyPuk> Well
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle at debian
[09:38] <nCrustyPuk> I'm gonna muck around in the console a bit more
[09:38] <nCrustyPuk> Thanks for your help, Happy
[09:38] <Dr_Melectaus> and lmfao at fedora
[09:38] <dooglus> can I get a list of which runlevels each service will be run at?  (like "chkconfig --list <service>" on other distros)
[09:38] <elvirolo> and, something else ... changing to runlevel 3 (or 2, or 4) only starts/stops anacron ... isn't that odd?
[09:38] <HappyFool> dooglus: there's a package sysv-rc-conf which might help
[09:38] <HappyFool> oh, but the sysvconfig provides a 'service' command like Redhat's, or so sayeth the package description
[09:38] <HappyFool> anyway, they might help
[09:38] <dooglus> spinifex: that is part of the "Menu Bar" for me.  "Applications, Places and System" is one 'unit'
[09:39] <unCrustyPk> HappyFool
[09:39] <dooglus> spinifex: haha.  I was scrolled up.  I thought you asked the same question again.    It's not necessary
[09:40] <unCrustyPk> ...Oh. D=
[09:40] <spinifex> so if you uninstall one of the default programs it goes away
[09:40] <batkins_> does ubuntu come with gcc out of the box?
[09:40] <unCrustyPk> I uninstalled Totem. That's when it broke.
[09:41] <Seveas> batkins_, sort of
[09:41] <spinifex> yeah.  It's not broken.  Not having it just means you don't have the full set of things it installs by default.  So, it just means you don't have totem.  no big problem there
[09:41] <Seveas> it is on the install-cd, but not installed by default
[09:41] <batkins_> Seveas: why is that?
[09:41] <Fackamato> hi
[09:41] <Fackamato> is the only thing needed to do to get flash 7 support in firefox in ubuntu "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla" ?
[09:42] <dooglus> I must be missing something.  How does anyone else configure which services they're running?  If you wanted to switch off apache for an hour, how would you do it?
[09:42] <reisio> Fackamato: you can just go to a website that uses flash (like 2advanced.com) and it should give you a prompt to install flash
[09:43] <Fackamato> reisio: I just apt-get installed it, and going to flash 7 sites says my flash is too old or not installed
[09:43] <Fackamato> and in the taskbar  i can see plugin failed to initialize
[09:43] <Fackamato> so, ubuntu hoary's flash support is BROKEN
[09:43] <reisio> Fackamato: what version of Firefox is this?
[09:43] <Fackamato> ubuntu standard 1.0.2
[09:43] <spinifex> Fackamato: I have flash installed properly on heary
[09:43] <spinifex> *hoary
[09:43] <reisio> Fackamato: what version of Firefox is this?
 ubuntu standard 1.0.2
[09:44] <Fackamato> (ubuntu hoary standard repository, firefox 1.0.2)2
[09:44] <Fackamato> -1
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: Firefox 1.0.2 ?
[09:44] <Fackamato> yes.
[09:44] <spinifex> use the installer in firefox, not apt
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: huh, well try 1.0.4, you should be using that anyways
[09:44] <Fackamato> reisio: it's not in hoarys repositories
[09:44] <spinifex> you can't have 1.0.4.  The features were backported into 1.0.2
[09:44] <reisio> Fackamato: ha...k
[09:44] <Fackamato> now I did apt-get remove flashplayer-mozilla
[09:44] <reisio> spinifex: that sounds so crazy :p
[09:44] <dooglus> I saw 3 or more packages for 'flash player' - one was a free one, and 2 seemed to be macromedia ones.  the free one locked up firefox every time I visited a page with a flash animation on it, but the macromedia one (installed through synaptic) seems to be ok(ish)
[09:44] <Fackamato> and now I'll try what you said
[09:44] <spinifex> so it's really 1.0.4 only named 1.0.2 for no reason
[09:45] <reisio> Fackamato: anyways, iirc the flash packages are for mozilla, not mozilla-firefox
[09:45] <dabaSlon> spinifex, you know y ou can have .4, I told you how last night.
[09:45] <spinifex> yeah but it's the same firefox, just changing the variable in it
[09:45] <spinifex> that tells it what version it is
[09:45] <reisio> ...and that doesn't sound retarded to you?
[09:46] <reisio> oh it does :) heh
[09:46] <hanna> i need some help setting up postfix
[09:46] <dooglus> using ubuntu's firefox means that you'll have problems installing plugins from mozilla.org, unless you follow the instructions here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681#c3
[09:46] <dabaSlon> reisio: so what do you want, when thats retaqrded,.,.
[09:46] <Tritis> Anyone have firefox foxytunes have an empty select list when choosing players?
[09:47] <Fackamato> how UNEXPECTED
[09:47] <Fackamato> "tge plugin failed to initalize please try again"
[09:47] <Fackamato> that was  apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[09:47] <Fackamato> so the free and non-free flashplayer doesn't work.
[09:47] <Fackamato> weird.
[09:47] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i've installled module-assistant | sl-modem-source | sl-modem-daemon, and the log says that slusb has been loaded successfully, what should i do now ?
[09:47] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: mine do work, in fact.
[09:48] <dabaSlon> I mean, the free one, works. definitelty.
[09:48] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: are they installed in your home dir or in the /usr/ stuff.
[09:48] <Fackamato> could you please ls -la the relevant flash files?
[09:48] <dabaSlon> regardless.
[09:48] <bob2> UbuntuProb: try running 'sudo pppconfig
[09:48] <dooglus> Fackamato: try this one: 'flashplayer-mozilla'.  that works for me in firefox.
[09:48] <dabaSlon> Ill give you instructions for installing.
[09:48] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : ok
[09:48] <Fackamato> dooglus: tried it, didn't work. :<
[09:49] <dooglus> oh, sorry.
[09:49] <toresbe> does Ubuntu have dmix set up out of the box?
[09:49] <bob2> toresbe: no
[09:49] <bob2> in breezy, apparently
[09:49] <dabaSlon> fackamato, where are you testing your flash, f their site...
[09:49] <dabaSlon> this site is flash
[09:50] <dabaSlon> http://comcast.net
[09:50] <toresbe> bob2: yay
[09:50] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: hoary?
[09:51] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: where's the flash on that site?
[09:51] <Fackamato> yes, hoary.
[09:51] <dooglus> can I change my 'uid' to match the uid I use on other distros?
[09:51] <ice_1963> why is flashplayer in non-free ????
[09:51] <dooglus> ice_1963: um - because it's non-free...
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: what is your uid there?
[09:51] <reisio> ice_1963: ...because it's made by Macromedia...a company that likes money?
[09:51] <dooglus> bob2: it's 1000 in ubuntu and 501 everywhere else
[09:51] <ice_1963> ok
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: ouch
[09:51] <reisio> ice_1963: in this case it just means it's not free as defined by GNU
[09:51] <bob2> dooglus: I think that will work
[09:51] <dabaSlon> fackamato, follow this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla.
[09:52] <dabaSlon> Dont tell me you did it b4, just follow it.
[09:52] <dabaSlon> And, pc?
[09:52] <Fackamato> Hihi.
[09:52] <Fackamato> Yeah, will do.
[09:52] <Fackamato> PC?
[09:52] <dooglus> bob2, I'm guessing I can just edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow, but wondered what the 'ubuntu way' would be.
[09:52] <bob2> dooglus: that would be it
[09:52] <dabaSlon> you using a pc?
[09:52] <dabaSlon> or amd, or ppc?
[09:52] <clong> I have a driver (module) that is not loading upon boot.  I have to get to a terminal and type modprobe i810 every time in order to have video.  I have added the module to /etc/modules and it still does not load upon boot.  Any suggestions?
[09:53] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I'm using a PC, yes.
[09:53] <Fackamato> Intel based one.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> ok, follow that.
[09:53] <Fackamato> There, done.
[09:53] <reisio> ice_1963: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software
[09:53] <Fackamato> Now I'll launch firefox.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> then, go to COmcast.net and tell me if you see everything.
[09:53] <Fackamato> Which site should I point it to?
[09:53] <Fackamato> Ok.
[09:53] <dabaSlon> install with ubuntuguide,.
[09:53] <EazyVG> does Ubuntu comes with iptables installed by default?
[09:53] <ice_1963> I'm not going to install flashplayer in firefox then lol
[09:54] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : forgot to tell you this, when i install sl-modem-daemon, got this msg : not starting Smartlink Modem daemon (options not set in /etc/default/sldmodemd)
[09:54] <bob2> UbuntuProb: ok...
[09:54] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I get a big grey rectangular, which I guess is the flash object. In the tray I can see "The plugin failed to initalize, please try again" .
[09:54] <bob2> UbuntuProb: you will need to edit that
[09:54] <bob2> EazyVG: of course
[09:54] <bob2> EazyVG: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian
[09:54] <JaffaCak1> I need a little help with mounting drives. I have 3 NTFS partitions that I've mounted and all that is working fine. My only problem is that its given them some boring names based on their sizes. How can I give them a custom label?
[09:54] <spinifex> Fackmato: it should have a puzzle piece icon, and if you click on it it will install the plugin
[09:54] <Fackamato> It has nothing.
[09:54] <spinifex> make sure you delete your old plugin
[09:54] <Fackamato> Just grey.
[09:54] <Fackamato> I can give you a screenshot.
[09:54] <EazyVG> but it got no GUI as SuSE has ... right!
[09:54] <Fackamato> I did.
[09:55] <dabaSlon> ok, give me a screenshot.
[09:55] <spinifex> and try http://newgrounds.com
[09:55] <bob2> JaffaCak1: what is "it"?
[09:55] <bob2> EazyVG: er, did you install one?
[09:55] <EazyVG> that's what I mean .. installed default mode
[09:55] <Fackamato> dabaSlon and spinifex: http://www.tehjunkyard.net/flash.png
[09:55] <eliteforce^> hi
[09:55] <dabaSlon> tenks.
[09:56] <reisio> eliteforce^: lo
[09:56] <dabaSlon> you have flash installed.
[09:56] <eliteforce^> is it possible to use the console to login instead of the kdm/gdm?
[09:56] <EazyVG> Which one is good for ubuntu ... firewall?
[09:56] <ice_1963> gnomebaker is in non-free
[09:56] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i tried gedit /etc/default/sldmodemd and there's nothing in the file, so, what should i put there ?
[09:56] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: you hjust have some weird browser.
[09:56] <ubunter12> hi, my Hoary installation is not recognizing a memory stick USB drive (LiveCD does). Can someone please tell me where to check?
[09:56] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: hah.
[09:56] <JaffaCak1> bob2: if I goto places>computer, the drives I've mounted are there. Ubuntu has given them some boring names after I edited fstab to mount them
[09:56] <spinifex> Fackmato: The left panel there is flash
[09:57] <bob2> JaffaCak1: so by ubuntu, you mean gnome, right
[09:57] <EazyVG> Which one is good for ubuntu ... firewall?
[09:57] <Battletux> Hi
[09:57] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: serious.
[09:57] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; sv-SE; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050512 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)
[09:57] <dabaSlon> I use epiphany(both work, tho...)
[09:57] <ys76> EazyVG, Be patient....
[09:57] <dooglus> in synaptic, what is the difference between 'mark for removal' and 'mark for complete removal'?
[09:57] <spinifex> complete removal removes configuration files
[09:57] <Fackamato> complete removal removes config files too.
[09:57] <Fackamato> snurf,.
[09:57] <bob2> clong: perhaps just because no one knows the answer
[09:57] <Fackamato> Dx
[09:57] <reisio> spinifex: left panel is not flash
[09:58] <bob2> clong: I can't think how putting something in /etc/modules would not work, try asking on the user mailing list
[09:58] <spinifex> oh, sorry, guess they updated their site then
[09:58] <JaffaCak1> bob2: I suppose so. I'm a nubcake
[09:58] <reisio> Battletux: lo
[09:58] <ice_1963> there is no firewall firestater is in non-free
[09:58] <reisio> Fackamato: good theme choice :)
[09:58] <dooglus> clong: I don't know the answer, sorry.
[09:58] <Fackamato> reisio: thanks :)
[09:59] <JaffaCak1> bob2: its just given them names like "10G Hard Drive" where I want it to be called "Windows" or something like that
[09:59] <reisio> Fackamato: what if you hit CTRL+SHIFT+R ?
[09:59] <dabaSlon> fackamato, it works, your flash is installed, you cant even get to that site without flash installed. It takes you to a redirect to flash insall if it is not installed.
[09:59] <dabaSlon> I work for them.
[09:59] <RabidWolf> i must not be a human being cuz i cant get this crap towork today heh i add /dev/hdc { dma = on } to my hdparm.conf and on boot it tells me no such file for /dev/hdc
[09:59] <reisio> dabaSlon: unless JavaScript is turned off, maybe? :)
[10:00] <Seveas> RabidWolf, that's o
[10:00] <Seveas> ok
[10:00] <dabaSlon> reisio: I dont get your questrio n,
[10:00] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: entering comacst.net makes my harddrive load a bunch of stuff for a bit of time, then the page displays with the error and grey box (the screenshot).
[10:00] <RabidWolf> o?
[10:00] <Seveas> /dev/hdc is created later by udev
[10:00] <dabaSlon> nah. thats not an error.
[10:00] <dabaSlon> thats your firewall, do you haver one?
[10:00] <Seveas> RabidWolf, and when it's created, dma will be enabled
[10:00] <spinifex> Fackamato: what happens at newgrounds.com?
[10:01] <Fackamato> spinifex: not much, I don't know what to look for, tried to watch a clip but nothing came up
[10:01] <UbuntuProb> bob2 : i tried gedit /etc/default/slmodemd and there's nothing in the file, so, what should i put there ? (spelling error in slmodemd)
[10:01] <RabidWolf> so just leave the line as is and ignore that msg about /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[10:01] <RabidWolf> and it should work as planned
[10:01] <dabaSlon> fackamato, firewall?
[10:02] <Seveas> RabidWolf, yes
[10:02] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: eys
[10:02] <dabaSlon> fackamato, router? both could firewall it.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> remove it..............that is why the grey box.
[10:02] <Fackamato> err
[10:02] <dabaSlon> fw thinks its ads...
[10:02] <dabaSlon> popups.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> I know that site by hand.
[10:02] <clong> one more quick question...does anyone know where the libata driver is buried in the kernel?
[10:02] <Fackamato> My router is not blocking that kind of stuff.
[10:02] <dabaSlon> flash is in fact instaqlled at this time.
[10:03] <dabaSlon> anyhow, I hope, good luck, fackamato.
[10:04] <reisio> Fackamato: about:plugins says you've got it?
[10:04] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I've no firewall installed in ubuntu. I'm connected to a m0n0wall gateway, which in turn is connected to the ADSL modem.
[10:04] <Fackamato> reisio: yupsd.
[10:04] <dooglus> what's the apt-get command for "completely remove"?
[10:04] <Fackamato> Shockwave Flash
[10:04] <Fackamato>     Filnamn: libflashplayer.so
[10:04] <Fackamato>     Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
[10:04] <Fackamato> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Ja
[10:04] <Fackamato> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Ja
[10:04] <Fackamato> Ja = Yes.
[10:05] <spinifex> yay for futuresplash
[10:05] <darkaudit> homina homina homina... poor Scousers?? ;)
[10:05] <reisio> huh
[10:05] <_kevin> what is a  good program for burning Audio CDs from VBR mp3
[10:05] <reisio> Fackamato: maybe try removing whatever you installed with apt and just using the built-in install thing in Firefox?
[10:05] <dooglus> hehe.  3-3?  who'da thunk it!
[10:05] <Goshawk> _kevin, try gnomebaker
[10:05] <_kevin> ye i have it
[10:05] <spinifex> reisio: I already suggested that, but he says he has
[10:06] <ubunter12> how do you mount a USB drive if not mounted automatically?
[10:06] <reisio> k...weirdness
[10:06] <spinifex> well he says he removed the plugin.  But he doesn't appear to have
[10:06] <dabaSlon> ubunter, just a usb key thingie? it was not mounted auto?
[10:06] <Fackamato> okay
[10:06] <Fackamato> plugins removed
[10:06] <ubunter12> yes usb key ..
[10:06] <Fackamato> no flash in about:plugins
[10:06] <Goshawk> _kevin, so?
[10:07] <Fackamato> I go to comcast,net, no grey square
[10:07] <Fackamato> but no "install flash" button
[10:07] <spinifex> go to newgrounds.com, and look for a banner with a puzzle peice in it
[10:07] <_kevin> its not all that good, like i heard some of my cds and the time it shows is not exact for how long the track is
[10:07] <_kevin> i burned them with gnome baker
[10:07] <reisio> sounds like it got half-installed or something :p
[10:07] <malign-traps> Fackamato: Sorry to butt in, but exit Mozilla and run it from a xterm.  Watch for warnings.
[10:08] <Fackamato> firefox is installing flash for me now (the puzzle button).
[10:08] <spinifex> make sure you're quitting and restarting firefox each time here...
[10:08] <Fackamato> haha
[10:08] <spinifex> oh yay
[10:08] <Fackamato> "failed"
[10:08] <spinifex> oh darn
[10:08] <Fackamato> seems I have to manually install it
[10:08] <unCrustyPk> Question
[10:08] <Fackamato> I'm pointed to http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[10:08] <_kevin> like it works and burns and the whole tracks is ther.. but i check and it says it's 3 min 20 seconds but it keeps playin the after 3 min 20 sec has gone by, meaning the song is actually more then 3 min 20 sec yet when it burns the tracks is said to be 3 min 20 sec
[10:08] <spinifex> hm, puzzle piece worked for me
[10:09] <dabaSlon> it is intsalled, I dont kno why you are still trying to install it. Fackamato, do you have a site that you need it to work?
[10:09] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: I removed it again, since it was not working
[10:09] <Fackamato> it was installed but not working, if you might say so
[10:09] <malign-traps> Fackamato: Exit Mozilla and run it from a xterm.  Watch for warnings.
[10:09] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - it was not auto-mounted on boot-up. But it does if I use the LiveCD..
[10:10] <dabaSlon> ok, whatever, anyhow, do you have a reason you are trying to install it? a particular site not working?
[10:10] <reisio> Fackamato: check ~/.mozilla or wherever for files hanging around
[10:10] <unCrustyPk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options barked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'!
[10:10] <_kevin> I have fire starter firewall installed, is ther any other secturity tool i need to keep my system secure, like an AV
[10:10] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: it is not only at boot that thing mount.
[10:10] <dabaSlon> whenever you connect a usb drive, it should mount.
[10:10] <_kevin> if there is a free updated AV for ubuntu how can i obtain it
[10:10] <dabaSlon> even in the middle of the day.
[10:10] <dabaSlon> and you have had ubuntu ruinning for 14 days.
[10:10] <toonX> what is "Size mismatch" ? i get this error when trying to install bitchx with synaptic
[10:11] <dabaSlon> kevin, check out sourceforge.nety
[10:11] <malign-traps> _kevin: You shouldn't need anything like that.
[10:11] <dabaSlon> sf.net, kevin.
[10:11] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:11] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, 2 reasons - moving files from other machines and using the same feature to hook up a digital camera!
[10:11] <dabaSlon> something called clamAV.
[10:11] <Fackamato> malign-traps: weird
[10:11] <malign-traps> I'm not.
[10:11] <Fackamato> no relevant output at all in the terminal
[10:11] <Fackamato> p
[10:11] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: at any point I connedct my camera, it gets auto mounted.
[10:12] <dabaSlon> ubunter12: it should do that for you as well.
[10:12] <spinifex> yo, I gots a question.  When I go to a website like e3insider.com and try to watch a video, it shows my mplayer plugin in the proper place, begins to load, and then starts playing only the sound.  The Mplayer logo stays in place of the video...
[10:12] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, so something has got messed up in my startup scripts but I don't know what
[10:12] <dabaSlon> I would not play video with a browser unless I had to.
[10:12] <reisio> spinifex: might be missing some codecs
[10:12] <dooglus> spinifex: sounds like you might need to codecs.
[10:13] <Fackamato> I give up.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> And I dont...cause I am not a perosna that watches commercials...
[10:13] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:13] <spinifex> how do I get the right codecs?
[10:13] <dabaSlon> fackamato, I agree.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> There is no need for flashg anyhow.
[10:13] <Fackamato> Yeah there is.
[10:13] <Fackamato> :<
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: hopefully you can get them through apt
[10:13] <Fackamato> ALthough, I hate it.
[10:13] <dabaSlon> I asked you what it was, what is the reason>
[10:13] <Fackamato> Slow and demanding,
[10:13] <ubunter12> dabaSlon, it used to work earlier - wld u know where to check ?
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: as deps for mplayer
[10:13] <mikekgr> hello friends. I am tried to boot the letest ubuntu live cd (5.04) on my Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo-A laptop but when th X server tried to start my system freezed. Any suggestion ????
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: dunno, though
[10:13] <spinifex> I installed mplayer through apt
[10:13] <reisio> spinifex: that's how it works for Gentoo
[10:13] <p|> re
[10:13] <dabaSlon> ubunter, I can tell you where to see if your comp is set up top autom mount, yes.
[10:13] <malign-traps> Fackamato: You had a plugin installed that didn't work, when you ran F from the cli?
[10:14] <dabaSlon> Apps> Sys Tools> COnf Editor.
[10:14] <toonX> so i assume that nobody got this error ever , right? "Size mismatch" when trying to install something with synaptic
[10:14] <CrustyPunk> I'm trying to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when I run dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says "Options marked [*]  produce a lot of output - pipe it through 'less' or 'more'! -- What does this mean?
[10:14] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - let me check .. thanks i'll get back in a sec ..
[10:14] <dabaSlon> Desktop>Gnome> Volume_Manager.
[10:14] <p|> someone know where i can find a deb package of kvirc > v2 for ubuntu?
[10:14] <spinifex> toonX: sounds weird.  If I were you, I'd refresh my repositories and make sure they're valid
[10:14] <reisio> CrustyPunk: man less, man more
[10:14] <dabaSlon> ubunter, that s the second part of th e path to se it.
[10:14] <_kevin> is kvirc like mirc?
[10:15] <dabaSlon> Fackamato: what is the reason you want flash installed?
[10:15] <dabaSlon> kevin, in the irc part it is identcial.
[10:15] <dabaSlon> the m and kv ar4e the difference.
[10:16] <toonX> spinifex, i tought that too, and after refreshing them, still find's bitchx , but when it comes to download it gives "Size mismatch"
[10:16] <p|> _kevin is kvirc like mirc?
[10:16] <p|> mmm :)
[10:16] <p|> more powerful :)
[10:16] <_kevin> can i get it on gnome
[10:16] <spinifex> toonX: are you using any nonstandard repositories?
[10:16] <p|> yes
[10:17] <we2by> omfg
[10:17] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: Streaming media for one.
[10:17] <we2by> I just got a few popup ads in firefox and firefox xrashed
[10:17] <we2by> crashed*
[10:17] <dabaSlon> fackamato, what streaming media?
[10:17] <dabaSlon> where?
[10:17] <mikekgr> hello friends. I am tried the latest ubuntu live cd (5.04) on my Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo-A laptop but when th X server tried to start my system freezed. Any suggestion ???
[10:17] <usynic> anyone using amd64 ?
[10:17] <Fackamato> News.
[10:17] <Fackamato> A swedish news site uses flash.
[10:17] <spinifex> toonx- actually, my guess would be that it just means it didn't make the transfer properly, and you should try again, perhaps with a stabler internet connection.  I don't really know though, sorry
[10:18] <reisio> I recently installed the flashblock extension
[10:18] <dabaSlon> fackamato, care to give me  alink to tell you if it works in UIbyuntu?
[10:18] <reisio> loving it so far :p
[10:18] <spinifex> oo cool, mplayer will play quicktime videos properly.  Must just have a problem with wmp.  I'll read the restricted formats faq
[10:18] <spinifex> (play properly as a browser plugin I mean)
[10:18] <dabaSlon> toonx, what is your issue?
[10:18] <reisio> spinifex: different codecs
[10:18] <usynic> anyone at all?
[10:18] <Fackamato> dabaSlon: www.aftonbladet.se > right side, quite on the top > red text TV
[10:19] <spinifex> dabaSlon: he said he tried to install bitchx on synaptic and it said "size mismatch"
[10:19] <dabaSlon> toonx, can you sudo apt-get update?
[10:19] <ubunter12> dabaSlon - all the automount options have been selected - drive, media and photo
[10:19] <reisio> usynic: #ubuntu-amd64
[10:19] <dabaSlon> paste your sources to pastebin.com
[10:19] <toonX> spinifex, its ok thanks
[10:19] <dabaSlon> ubunter, then it sounds right.
[10:19] <toonX> dabaSlon, did that
[10:19] <dabaSlon> I am not sure, check the physical part.
[10:19] <malign-traps> mikekgr: Not really.  Is the keyboard completely unresponsive?  Do you have another computer nearby on the same network?
[10:19] <usynic> reisio: doesn't exist.
[10:19] <dabaSlon> toonx, works fine?
[10:19] <toonX> dabaSlon, yep
[10:20] <toonX> dabaSlon, fast too :)
[10:20] <spinifex> you just tried it again?
[10:20] <dabaSlon> ok, so, no issues.? tried installing with apt, to get the error?
[10:20] <toonX> dabaSlon, it's about the only package that does that to me , bitchx
[10:20] <reisio> usynic: just nobody in it :p
[10:20] <ubunter12> so dabaSlon, what could be going wrong? where would be the error messages ?
[10:20] <usynic> reisio: apparently.
[10:20] <dabaSlon> ubunter, check teh physical connections.
[10:21] <dabaSlon> fackamato, yes it does work.
[10:21] <dabaSlon> with flash, yes.
[10:21] <JaffaCak1> anyone know how I can label my mounted ntfs drives?
[10:21] <_kevin> i'm planning on getting 512 mb ram in addition to the 128 mb ram... will that be enough to run like windows xp home or win 98se within my ubuntu linux
[10:21] <Fackamato> ok. It doesn't work here.
[10:21] <Fackamato> Strange indeed.
[10:22] <dabaSlon> so, what is weird about your system that mine would work, and yours wouldt?