[16:35] <hcoin> Hi everyone!  Many Ubuntu 'official' webpages appear when I look for a 'walkthrough' of the basic cycle: 'get an ubuntu kernel source package, fix one bug, make a changlog entry, then package it up'.  Can someone tell me where 'the latest latest' is for that?  (Jammy)


[06:14] <frafu> Hello
[06:14] <frafu> Could anyone please tell me what the acronym BOF means exactly?
[06:19] <frafu> I am reading about the lifecycle of a spec and there is the term BOF; moreover when searching the wiki I often encouter the term BOF.
[06:19] <frafu> I hope that I am not in the wrong channel to ask that question.
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71516 in malone "Correct product not selectable in add upstream task/bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71516
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71545 in launchpad "packaging details shows wrong on the product side but correct on the distro side" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71545


[01:26] <apb1963> QNativeImage: Unable to attach to shared memory segment.
[01:27] <ohsix> nice try
[01:27] <apb1963> I get this error using Okular.  It shows a problem with the screen... essentially you can't see portions of the page.  However, the problem is not limited to Okular...
[01:28] <apb1963> Not sure where to from here, but I figured you guys would be a good starting point.
[01:28] <apb1963> ^go
[01:30] <apb1963> There are numerous errors produced by X after that error, but I get the feeling the X errs are a side effect of not having the mem segment.
[01:31] <apb1963> Well, the cause being the missing segment rather than a side effect... but you know what I mean.
[01:32] <apb1963> Errors like this:
[01:33] <apb1963> X Error: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) 4
[01:33] <apb1963>   Major opcode: 56 (X_ChangeGC)
[01:33] <apb1963>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:34] <apb1963> At this point, even right clicking and trying to copy or paste is a chore, because the menu is obscured or blank, however you want to picture it.
[02:03] <apb1963> Oh and... the rightclicking problem is system wide... not limited to any program.  Once it starts, I have to reboot to fix it.  I've rebooted twice now and it's starting to become a little more frequent, and is starting to become a major issue.
[02:05] <apb1963> If anyone wants to use something like teamviewer or whatever to see it in action, I'm open to that.
[02:06] <apb1963> 3.13.0-68-generic #111-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:06 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:07] <apb1963> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[02:11] <ohsix> you're using kde though? what is using the most memory in xrestop
[02:20] <apb1963> bash: xrestop: command not found
[02:20] <apb1963> ohsix: ^^
[02:22] <apb1963> E: Unable to locate package xrestop
[02:41] <apb1963> ohsix: kwin followed by libreoffice/writer and then firefox
[03:14] <apb1963> ohsix: #kde-devel helped me track it down.  java memory leak.   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=799587  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[03:14] <apb1963> Any idea when it will make it into ubuntu 14.04 ?
[03:15] <apb1963> or will it be 14.05 at that point? :)
[03:16] <apb1963>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/1512760
[03:16] <ohsix> i like the comments on the bug, kde/plasma isn't very usable without bugs ;D
[03:16] <apb1963> haha
[03:22] <apb1963> ohsix: by the way... PovAddict in #kde-devel was the person that tracked it down.... and then found the bug had already been reported.  Just in case you want to talk to him about it.
[13:30] <marga> infinity, 3.13.0-68 was released to trusty-updates on Nov 10th, but the installer has had no updates since Nov. 4th.  I'm getting an install failure because of this (mismatch between running kernel and installed kernel, when doing update-initramfs after dkms installation). Is there a bug about this?
[13:34] <apw> marga, not sure there is a bug about it, no.  i think he will be aware now tho
[13:35] <marga> now that I mentioned it? Or already before that?
[13:37] <apw> well it got mentioned on #u-d as well, so i suspect he'll get the message, and indeed i'll be chatting to him about it too as i got highlighted about it on #u-d
[13:37] <marga> ah, ok.
[13:37] <marga> What's the normal process for updating the installer when a new kernel comes around?
[13:44] <apw> in part i am unsure, which is why i am going to be talking about it
[15:39] <cmagina> The stable release pull for the current trusty proposed kernel carries a patch that breaks arm64. The issue was seen on wily as well and was worked around by disabling the new config option added by the patch. I added a comment to the stable release bug, bug #1514853
[15:39] <ubot5`> bug 1514853 in linux (Ubuntu Trusty) "Trusty update to 3.13.11-ckt29 stable release" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514853
[15:53] <tseliot> apw: I can't reproduce the failure with bcmwl
[15:53] <tseliot> apw: and linux 4.3
[15:54] <apw> tseliot, hrm
[15:54] <apw> tseliot, i386 right ?
[15:56] <apw> tseliot, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13299698/ is what ADT gets
[15:59] <tseliot> apw: that should help. Thanks
[16:34] <dsmythies> Just passing along something: I observe that http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.4-rc1-wily/ is having the same problem as I was. Kernel 4.4-rc1 would not compile until I applied this patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/6/987
[16:39] <apw> dsmythies, yep, those are raw builds done from the tip of the tree, if the tree is broken they don't build
[17:04] <henrix> cmagina: hi! re. bug #1502946 (CONFIG_ARM64_ERRATUM_843419), have you actually tried to boot that trusty kernel and reproduced that bug?
[17:04] <ubot5`> bug 1502946 in linux (Ubuntu Wily) "kernel crash on m400 arm64 server cartridge" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502946
[17:05] <henrix> cmagina: because wily actually contains CONFIG_ARM64_ERRATUM_843419=y (the same as trusty)
[17:05] <cmagina> henrix: yes, i have a log, just need to attach it
[17:05] <henrix> cmagina: no need, i just wanted to understand exactly what i should do because trusty seems to have the same config
[17:07] <cmagina> henrix: really? hmm...this is the bug where it was supposedly set to 'n' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1502946
[17:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502946 in linux (Ubuntu Wily) "kernel crash on m400 arm64 server cartridge" [Critical,Fix released]
[17:07] <cmagina> [Config] CONFIG_ARM64_ERRATUM_843419=n
[17:08] <cmagina> 4.2.0-16.19) wily
[17:08] <henrix> cmagina: right, but the wily kernel in -proposed seems to be closing that bug by reverting that patch
[17:08] <cmagina> henrix: maybe dannf's upstream fix was accepted and pulled into wily after 16.19
[17:09] <henrix> cmagina: ah, wily also contains this: b6dd8e0719c0 ("arm64: errata: use KBUILD_CFLAGS_MODULE for erratum #843419"
[17:09] <cmagina> henrix: yeah, that's dannf's fix
[17:10] <henrix> cmagina: ok, cool.  so... i guess we need that in trusty as well
[17:10] <cmagina> henrix: yeah, that would be perfect
[17:10] <henrix> cmagina: and in lts-utopic too.  (we're building arm64 in utopic, right?)
[17:11] <cmagina> henrix: yes
[17:11] <henrix> cmagina: ok, thanks
[17:11] <cmagina> henrix: i hadn't gotten to check the other releases yet. are we still supporting utopic? thought it ended and we're now on vivid
[17:12] <henrix> cmagina: right, utopic has EOL'ed, but we're still doing lts-utopic for a couple more cycles
[17:12] <cmagina> henrix: ah, ok
[17:13] <henrix> cmagina: grr... looks like we have the same thing on vivid.
[17:14] <cmagina> henrix: so, everything up to wily then. arm64 seems prone to these kinds of regressions where a stable release patch breaks it, but there is already a fix, just not in that stable release
[17:15] <henrix> cmagina: correct.  i'll start working on that.  thanks for reporting.
[17:16] <henrix> cmagina: btw, do you have another bug i could you for SRU'ing this?
[17:16] <henrix> s/you/use
[17:16] <cmagina> henrix: np, thanks for fixing. yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1516682
[17:16] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1516682 in linux (Ubuntu) "a trusty stable release patch breaks module loading on arm64" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:17] <henrix> cmagina: awesome, thanks!
[17:18] <cmagina> henrix: welcome :)


[02:29] <bcgrown> why can't i have multiple apps use the sound card at once?  and how do i fix it?  i'm on xubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[02:29] <bcgrown> audio is an onboard Intel HDA / Realtek ALC887
[02:37] <Desirre> good evening! can someone help me? there's someone from Brazil here?
[02:42] <Desirre> actually, I think my problem is pretty simple... I've installed Xubuntu and everything was doing right, but when I upgraded it, my audio stopped working... now I can't listen my musics nor any sound... what I supposed to do?
[02:45] <Desirre> my husband suggested reinstall Xubuntu, but I prefer try another approach... 'cause I don't wanna miss my archives and I don't have any ways to do a backup yet... it's an NETbook and I don't have an external HD
[02:48] <Unit193> May want to have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and even https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio
[04:26] <Riley24> hey guys i could use some help with pavucontrols
[04:27] <Riley24> im having issues getting it to switch output controls
[04:34] <rdx> i need hacker
[04:34] <rdx> anyone here
[04:35] <rdx> please buzz
[07:05] <livingdaylight> greetings
[07:25] <koegs> does anybody know how to tell xscreensaver to turn off the backlight? "xset dpms force off" works
[07:27] <Sysi> it doesn't do it if you leave it for a while?
[07:29] <koegs> nope, backlight stays on permanently
[07:29] <koegs> i mean, screen is turned black after 10 minutes, screen is locked, but backlight stays on
[07:31] <Sysi> you can set display sleep to 10 minutes in power managment settings
[07:44] <koegs> ok, if i disable xscreensaver and configure power management settings, the backlight is turned off
[07:44] <koegs> but it seems like the screen is not locked
[07:46] <koegs> and xflock4 still does not disable the backlight
[07:48] <Sysi> screen should be turned off even xscreensaver enabled, with xflock at least it's turned off in ten minutes
[07:49] <Sysi> I wonder if script with "sleep 2" first for launching xflock and then xset dpms force off would work
[08:22] <martinphone> i have 50 jpg files that would be much easier to read in a single pdf file, is there any way to do so?
[08:24] <Unit193> !info sam2p
[08:31] <martinphone> Unit193, is that command line alone?
[08:32] <Unit193> Yes.
[08:36] <martinphone> Unit193, im now reading the readme and dont see any section for "convert every image inside a directory" option...
[08:41] <TheSheep> hi folks
[08:42] <TheSheep> I have a quaint problem with thunar -- I just noticed that it doesn't show the trash in the sidebar
[08:43] <Sysi> does thrash work at all?
[08:44] <TheSheep> Sysi: how do I tell?
[08:44] <TheSheep> there is ~/.local/Trash directory filled with the files I have deleted...
[08:45] <Sysi> if you press del after selecting files it goes there?
[08:46] <TheSheep> yes
[08:47] <TheSheep> my first sspicion is that the xubuntu devs have disabled it because they prefer the panel plugin for the trash
[08:47] <TheSheep> if that is the case, I would like to know how to enable it
[08:47] <TheSheep> because I do not prefer the panel plugin
[08:47] <Unit193> Still there in Quantal by default.
[08:48] <TheSheep> I'm on Precise
[08:48] <TheSheep> I'm not sure when it disappeared
[08:48] <Unit193> (By that I was saying it wasn't removed, I am also on precise and have it)  Could try backing up the config for thunar and removing the config dir.
[08:49] <Sysi> could be related to gtk bookmarks too
[08:49] <TheSheep> Unit193: the config of thunar is a text file and has nothing about trash in it
[08:49] <TheSheep> Sysi: bookmarks work
[08:58] <TheSheep> OK, solved, I didn't have gvfs installed
[08:59] <Sysi> oh, I thought thunar wouldn't have trash functionality at all without it
[09:26] <knome> madnick, o hai!
[09:50] <madnick> knome: hi
[09:50] <knome> madnick, hmm, you not at -devel :)
[09:50] <madnick> knome: oh, sorry
[10:34] <livingdaylight> hi
[11:34] <pimperle> hi
[11:34] <pimperle> on one of my boxes "sudo -i" gives me a shell to run root gui apps from, on the other the X display access is being denied for the root user
[11:35] <pimperle> xhost output is the same on both machines
[11:35] <pimperle> what could cause this?
[11:35] <pimperle> /etc/sudoers are the same as well
[11:37] <pimperle> what else could cause the DISPLAY variable to be unset and display access to be forbidden?
[11:38] <pimperle> i installed all latest updates
[11:43] <livingdaylight> hia
[11:44] <livingdaylight> I'm interested in the recent release of Voyager; most of you heard of it?
[12:00] <astraljava> Yes I've listened to it, but what does this have to do with Xubuntu support?
[12:06] <livingdaylight> astraljava, hi, nice to see someone is here :)
[12:07] <livingdaylight> astraljava, and I'm not talking of the music band Voyager, the distro based on xubuntu
[12:08] <livingdaylight> there are ppa's for it, and just was curious what the difference was between installing voyager or bringing the ppa's into xubuntu
[12:11] <livingdaylight> astraljava, ?
[12:12] <livingdaylight> why is this room so quiet? bordering unfriendlyness
[12:12] <knome> everyone is a volunteer
[12:12] <astraljava> I'm at work, so cannot pay attention all the time.
[12:12] <astraljava> Can't speak for others, but I believe none of us are paid to watch this.
[12:13] <Sysi> you should ask voyager guys, I guess there isn't much difference
[12:13] <livingdaylight> since he worked with xubuntu and other aspects of ubuntu I thought someone here might know about it.
[12:15] <knome> i haven't heard of "him" working with xubuntu really.
[12:15] <Sysi> as far as I understand from google translated homepage, it's just xubuntu with additional stuff
[12:16] <livingdaylight> Sysi, yes, basically
[12:18] <livingdaylight> there doesn't seem to be an irc channel, so, thought to hop in to find out more.
[12:19] <livingdaylight> It looks beautiful but not sure whether he's brought compiz and what not into xubuntu. I wondered if the purpose of xubuntu is to be a 'lighter' alternative to kde/gnome whether it defeats the purpose
[12:21] <livingdaylight> btw, astraljava I know and appreciate that no one is being paid/ all are volunteers, but that is true of all channels, or most at least. It just feels really dead here and I got happy when you responded, but then you disappeared again, which speaks of more than volunteerism
[12:22] <knome> not really, you are getting it wrong.
[12:22] <knome> in addition to having volunteers only, we actually have less manpower too.
[12:25] <livingdaylight> you have a lot more than a lot of other channels, lol.. don't get me wrong, I appreciate the ethos, and I ask and patient; if someone answers great, but of course I'm human and its frustrating when someone begins a convo and switches off immediately or peoople only pipe in to say that they are volunteers and therefore don't have to say even 'hi' - sorry - dont konw...
[12:25] <knome> note that not all of the users are actually "helping" here, some of them are just sitting/idling
[12:26] <astraljava> livingdaylight: As I said, I'm at work, and have a chance to just occasionally glance at the channels. I'm sorry if you felt neglected. I can't do better.
[12:26] <livingdaylight> astraljava, its fine, I thought your remark was inviting me in conversation
[12:28] <livingdaylight> so, no comment on xubuntu + compiz /awn etc being equal to kde/gnome in bloatware?
[12:30] <aquix> I run xubuntu 12.04 with compiz and cairo-dock and have a stable, cool and smooth laptop.
[12:31] <aquix> I think many docks and compiz suffer from the pulseaudio effect. I was a buggy when released but got less resource hungry with time, but distaste stuck.
[12:32] <knome> compiz isn't really light, so if a light os is your primary goal, don't use that.
[12:33] <livingdaylight> this is the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa
[12:34] <knome> for xfce 4.10, yes.
[12:34] <knome> but that's not officially supported
[12:35] <Sysi> 4.10 packages aren't there anymore
[12:35] <Sysi> devel packages were there
[12:35] <knome> mmh, that too.
[12:35] <livingdaylight> aquix, I am looking to run on laptop which is fairly new, Acer Aspire timelineX 4830t but everything I try runs very HOT whereas windows used to run very cool on it :s
[12:35] <knome> installing compiz won't help
[12:36] <knome> upgrading bios worked for me with an older laptop
[12:36] <GridCube> livingdaylight, what do you mean by hot?
[12:36] <livingdaylight> can't find the link now but he spoke somewhere of his association with xubuntu https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit
[12:37] <livingdaylight> GridCube, the chassis and mousepad aread get uncomfortably hot
[12:37] <GridCube> oh
[12:37] <knome> livingdaylight, yes, mr_pouit is a xubuntu developer, but he is NOT the voyager developer.
[12:38] <livingdaylight> currently running Bodhilinux which is better but the distro is a little bit quirky
[12:38] <livingdaylight> knome, no? my bad then. I thought he was
[12:38] <knome> livingdaylight, nope. he's not.
[12:40] <livingdaylight> since unity haven't been able to find a new home.
[12:41] <livingdaylight> maybe just need to ubuntu + cinnamon ppa hrmph
[12:43] <livingdaylight> http://voyager.legtux.org/index.php/a-propos-2/ the xubuntu 12.10 promo is sweet
[12:46] <GridCube> livingdaylight, have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireTimeline ?
[12:48] <livingdaylight> GridCube, actually this week only I joined that launchpad group. But don't know how to benefit from it.
[12:48] <livingdaylight> GridCube, thanks for looking that up
[12:49] <GridCube> they say they have a mailing list at the bottom of that page
[12:49] <GridCube> you could ask  them there, it might be helpful
[12:49] <livingdaylight> GridCube, actually, I hadn't seen that particular link, so, that is helpful. I found the launchpad group via another link
[12:50] <livingdaylight> yes, thank you. Because, I'm finding it is an issue with most distros and shouldn't have to run puppylinux or something on a i3 processor
[12:50] <livingdaylight> :)
[12:52] <GridCube> it might be some kernel issue, i have really superficial knowledge on those topics, but you might have to try getting a kernel that supports you notebook fans architecture? dunno
[12:53] <livingdaylight> GridCube, http://clip2net.com/s/2aGtL
[12:54] <livingdaylight> yes, and ubuntu is my best chance I believe of finding a match, i believe.
[12:55] <GridCube> ask in the ml :) they might know better, if they answer :P
[12:56] <livingdaylight> ml ?
[12:57] <aquix> there are many things that can cause a hot laptop, like badly configured laptop control. but pinpointing the spesific problem can take some googling, and most likely you'll get ubuntuforums threads. have you installed lm-sensors   ?
[12:58] <aquix> *fan control
[12:58] <livingdaylight> aquix, i have now :)
[12:59] <livingdaylight> I did look in synaptic and found a number of things which promised to check cpu tmp and fan controls
[12:59] <livingdaylight> powertop also doens't come by default
[13:00] <GridCube> gkrellm is the popular one :P
[13:00] <aquix> ran sensors-detect ?                also check in top to see what if anything eats the cpu
[13:00] <livingdaylight> last time I did all that i wasn't running much at all.
[13:04] <livingdaylight> aquix, could you tell me whether I should go ahead? http://pastebin.com/rYEPj7PF
[13:05] <aquix> yup
[13:05] <aquix> have you installed your graphics card drivers?
[13:05] <livingdaylight> no
[13:06] <livingdaylight> don't have graphic cards on this laptop
[13:06] <livingdaylight> some onboard graphics
[13:06] <aquix> whats it called?
[13:08] <aquix> I might recommend a terminal program called  inxi     it shows hardware specs, drivers and other system info. great when troubleshooting
[13:09] <GridCube> lspci | grep "VGA"
[13:09] <GridCube> :P
[13:10] <livingdaylight> http://pastebin.com/qZui6dz5 is that it? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[13:10] <GridCube> intel should work well with the generic drivers
[13:10] <GridCube> mines do
[13:11] <GridCube> anyway you could try gksu jockey-gtk and see if it offers you some drivers
[13:11]  * GridCube is sad because jockey-gtk is being abandoned :(
[13:11] <aquix> yeah, mesa drivers usually do
[13:13] <livingdaylight> GridCube, gksu jockey-gtk just brought me back to prompt
[13:13] <aquix> I got a laptop with optimus graphics card (bought in a hurry).   Thank god for bumblebee :)
[13:13] <GridCube> D:
[13:13] <livingdaylight> i had a look at bumblebee but not appropriate for my graphics I was told
[13:14] <livingdaylight> should I go ahead and confirm modifying /etc/modules?
[13:15]  * GridCube doesnt know
[13:15] <livingdaylight> aquix, ? the core-temp thingy sensors-detect came back with
[13:16] <livingdaylight> http://pastebin.com/rYEPj7PF
[13:16] <livingdaylight> its still waiting for a yes/no
[13:17] <livingdaylight> k, went ahead with that
[13:17] <aquix> I always do
[13:17] <livingdaylight> now, inx?
[13:17] <livingdaylight> inxi
[13:17] <livingdaylight> sudo apt-get install inxi ?
[13:18] <aquix> try, can't remember if it's in the repos
[13:19] <livingdaylight> apparently not
[13:19] <GridCube> !info inxi
[13:19] <GridCube> nope
[13:20] <aquix> livingdaylight  look at this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889898              there is also a program called thinkfan worth searching for
[13:20] <livingdaylight> ok, aquix | GridCube - thank you VERY much
[13:21] <GridCube> :) dont worry, and good luck
[13:21] <aquix> no problem
[13:21] <livingdaylight> hah, i7 - i wish, mines just i3 :)
[13:22] <livingdaylight> still could apply?
[13:22] <aquix> here   http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/shell-system-information-tool-for-linux.html
[13:25] <livingdaylight> sweet
[13:26] <aquix> yup, it's a sweeth little program, and you can also call on it here in irc so anyone can see your specs with /exec         like this..
[13:30] <livingdaylight> running into dependency issues gawek and mesa-utils missing, but sudo apt-get install gawk is not installing
[13:30] <livingdaylight> gawk : PreDepends: libsigsegv2 (>= 2.9) but it is not going to be installed
[13:31] <livingdaylight> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[13:31] <livingdaylight> -f = force? is that safe?
[13:33] <aquix> hmm, strange
[13:35] <aquix> try  sudo apt-get install  gawk mesa-utils
[13:35] <aquix> then the deb file again
[13:35] <livingdaylight> launched synaptic and says a package is broken and to use the broken filter
[13:36] <aquix> if not try       sudo apt-get -f install
[13:37] <Sysi> or just skip the tool it'll probably fail anyway because of missing dependencies
[13:44] <z121231211> Alright, I probably should've listened last time, but before installing Xubuntu I used nomodeset and it worked fine. Then I installed without the needed display drivers. Now I can't boot into Xubuntu.
[13:44] <z121231211> Is there a way to boot into a command-line mode or install drivers without having to boot it up?
[13:47] <TheSheep> z121231211: yes and yes
[13:48] <z121231211> Oh cool, I guess booting up the live cd would be simpler. How do I install the vesa drivers on an installation that way?
[13:49] <TheSheep> z121231211: vesa should be installed by default
[13:50] <TheSheep> z121231211: but the way you would do it is 1. boot your livecd, 2. mount the disk on which your / is, 3. chroot to it, 4. install it normally
[13:50] <TheSheep> z121231211: won't work for things that need to install additional stuff in kernel, like nvidia drivers
[13:51] <z121231211> I'm using AMD and heard something about "aticonfig --initial"
[13:51] <z121231211> How do I chroot?
[13:51] <Sysi> you can boot regular installation with nomodeset too
[13:52] <z121231211> How?
[13:52] <z121231211> Is there a key I have to press before booting?
[13:53] <Sysi> press/hold shift right after bios
[13:53] <z121231211> Alright, I'm going to save this and try to boot in with either nomodeset or with live CD, brb
[14:02] <martinphone> whats the easiest way to enlarge an open app?
[14:02] <martinphone> im looking for an option that includes drawing with the mouse plus a key
[14:03] <martinphone> from the corner of the app...
[14:05] <xubuntu426z12123> Alright, I'm in the live cd right now. Couldn't get to nomodeset by mashing shift for my installation.
[14:06] <xubuntu426z12123> Odd, my name got weird
[14:12] <craigbass1976> Is there any way to get rid of the "Recenttly Used" choice when opening files?
[14:23] <z121231211> Alright I chroot-ed on to the other filesystem. aticonfig isn't installed and I don't know how I'd get it.
[14:23] <TheSheep> !find aticonfig
[14:24] <z121231211> bash !: event not found
[14:24] <z121231211> bash: !find: event not found*
[14:25] <Pici> z121231211: that was a command for ubottu, our channel bot.
[14:25] <z121231211> Oh
[14:25] <Pici> z121231211: it said that 'aticonfig' is in the fglrx package.
[14:26] <z121231211> Ah thanks, installing things. Finally getting somewhere
[14:27] <TheSheep> sorry I wasn't clear
[14:28] <TheSheep> z121231211: you can also use the search at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[14:29] <z121231211> It was downloading, but I got an error. Mostly no such files and permission denied
[14:29] <z121231211> Would that be the limitations of chroot?
[14:30] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get update
[14:30] <TheSheep> it has links to old versions, newer versions appeared in the meantime
[14:31] <z121231211> Alright, doing that now
[14:31] <TheSheep> or not
[14:31] <TheSheep> also, make sure your disk is not mounted read-only
[14:31] <TheSheep> 'mount' will tell you
[14:33] <z121231211> Where is 'mount' or do I type that in?
[14:33] <TheSheep> you type that
[14:34] <z121231211> It's downloading files right now. Right-click>properties says there's read/write permissions for Owner but read only for everyone else
[14:34] <TheSheep> that's ok
[14:35] <z121231211> mount says rw,nosuid,nodev
[14:35] <z121231211> uhelper=udisks
[14:35] <TheSheep> ok
[14:36] <TheSheep> rw == read-write
[14:36] <z121231211> Ok, all good then
[14:38] <TheSheep> if you get the errors again, can you pastebin them?
[14:38] <z121231211> Sure
[14:40] <z121231211> Actually I can't copy from terminal
[14:40] <z121231211> Or I guess, how do I copy from terminal?
[14:42] <gry> hi
[14:43] <TheSheep> z121231211: you just select it
[14:43] <TheSheep> z121231211: and then you press the middle mouse button to paste it
[14:45] <z121231211> Alright
[14:51] <z121231211> I guess fresh installations take awhile to update
[14:57] <z121231211> http://pastebin.com/6yf8S7gy
[14:57] <z121231211> How it went
[14:58] <z121231211> There was a permission denied at the end but not sure if that'd be significant
[14:58] <TheSheep> hehe, fun, that's an artifact of the chroot
[14:59] <TheSheep> to do it correctly you should rebind /dev and /proc before doing chroot
[15:00] <z121231211> How do I do that?
[15:01] <z121231211> http://pastebin.com/cENXm30r
[15:01] <z121231211> Tried it again, error messages
[15:01] <TheSheep> so, if you have your disk mounted under /media/yourdisk, you should first do  mount --bind /dev /media/yourdisk/dev
[15:01] <TheSheep> and then chrrot /media/yourdisk
[15:01] <livingdaylight> tried to create a 'Linux' group in Diigo to save all the links and tips posted earlier for my benefit. But, Diigo wants a minimum of a 6 letter entry, but Linux is spelt with 5 letters - silly Diigo - what doo they care whether my group is a 3 or 5 letter word?
[15:03] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: call it 'linux diigo group' :D
[15:03] <baizon> "Linux <3"
[15:03] <z121231211> TheSheep: How do I get out of chroot?
[15:03] <TheSheep> baizon: why would you exclude the 3.x kernel?
[15:03] <TheSheep> z121231211: type "exit"
[15:04] <baizon> TheSheep: its the web 2.0 smiley :P
[15:04] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, \o/
[15:08] <z121231211> TheSheep: Alright, mounted /dev and /proc. Should I just do all of that again?
[15:10] <z121231211> TheSheep: omg it's doing something different! :D
[15:12] <nsahoo> on ubuntu, what's the difference between xubuntu-desktop and xfce4?
[15:13] <nsahoo> trying to decide what I should install
[15:13] <baizon> nsahoo: integration into ubuntu stuff, like usc indicators, etc.
[15:13] <z121231211> TheSheep: Alright it installed and I was able to do "aticonfig --initial". Just in case: http://pastebin.com/Ed6e2BVf
[15:13] <baizon> i recommend xubuntu
[15:14] <nsahoo> baizon: why?
[15:14] <z121231211> TheSheep: Should I do anything else?
[15:14] <baizon> nsahoo: like i said, you get more features :)
[15:15] <nsahoo> baizon: ok
[15:21] <z121231211> TheSheep: Just booted up, no errors. Thanks a ton!
[15:55] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, or, come to think of it, "GNU/Linux" :D
[17:45] <Riley24> would someone here mind helping me with pavucontrols for somereason my volume keys arnt working
[17:45] <Riley24> even though i have my built in speakers set as default the volume keys only control hdmi out
[17:48] <Riley24> anyone here
[17:54] <TheSheep> Riley24: we are here, but we don't know how to solve that
[17:54] <TheSheep> Riley24: have you tried searching the forums?
[17:54] <Riley24> yes
[17:55] <TheSheep> Riley24: you could try the sound mixer panel plugin?
[17:55] <TheSheep> Riley24: it lets you choose which sound card and track to use
[17:55] <Riley24> it switches channels fine and the slider works but my volume key only controls hdmi out
[17:56] <Riley24> there isnt one im on voyageros witch is xubuntu 12.04
[17:57] <Riley24> it only has pavucontrols and pulse audio eq
[17:57] <Riley24> alsamixer is there in terminal and it is set right
[18:01] <TheSheep> Riley24: one workaround you could try is to set shortcuts on your volume kesy to alsamixer
[18:01] <TheSheep> Riley24: or amixer
[18:01] <Riley24> how would i do that
[18:01] <Riley24> i only need pavucontrols to switch outputs
[18:03] <TheSheep> does "amixer sset Master playback +20dB" work for you?
[18:03] <TheSheep> (type that in terminal)
[18:06] <Riley24> only shows 0.00db gain
[18:06] <TheSheep> :/
[18:06] <TheSheep> how about "amixer -c 1 sset Master playback +20dB" ?
[18:08] <Riley24> im not seing -c anywere
[18:12] <Riley24> well this kind of explains it but im not sure how they did that
[18:12] <Riley24> http://askubuntu.com/questions/130927/how-to-switch-default-sound-device-controlled-by-hardware-keys-in-xubuntu
[18:22] <Riley24> sweet i did it!
[18:22] <Riley24> thank god lol
[18:23] <Riley24> i had to reset the string under settings editor
[18:47] <TheSheep> I wonder where would be the right place to ask for advice on buying a laptop
[18:48] <genii-around> TheSheep: Probably ##hardware
[18:48] <baizon> TheSheep: offtopic i think
[18:48] <TheSheep> genii-around: thanks
[18:48] <baizon> =)
[20:35] <liquidee> hello
[20:36] <liquidee> is there any quick way to setup xubuntu to look EXACTLY like it does in live cd?
[20:36] <liquidee> i have fresh xubuntu installation
[20:39] <TheSheep> liquidee: it should look the same
[20:40] <liquidee> TheSheep: i think i might have messed it up
[20:40] <liquidee> TheSheep, when i rebooted the machine after installation
[20:40] <TheSheep> liquidee: make sure you select the 'xubuntu' session on first login of your user, not the 'xfce' one
[20:40] <liquidee> yeah
[20:40] <liquidee> thats what i did
[20:40] <liquidee> :D
[20:40] <liquidee> i mean i choose xfce
[20:40] <TheSheep> then create a new user
[20:40] <liquidee> so i guess it overrided my settings
[20:41] <liquidee> oh
[20:41] <liquidee> brb, trying that
[20:41] <TheSheep> remember to give it admin rights
[22:15] <xubuntu298> Hello, anyone knows why ''gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf'' command won't work for me? I'm new to Xubuntu.
[22:18] <xubuntu298> Hello, anyone knows why ''gksu gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf'' command won't work for me? I'm new to Xubuntu.