[01:24] <cliebow>  UBUNTU ROCKS!!
[01:39] <Ricky28269> YES IT DOES
[01:46] <Ricky28269> is there a way I can get Windows+L to lock the computer, like it does in Windows XP? I know it's kinda funny, using windows shorcuts in ubuntu, but I'm VERY used to hitting Win+L as I walk away...
[01:48] <Ricky28269> also how do i move the stuff in the top-right of the screen? (vol control, time/date, log off)
[01:49] <Ricky28269> actually just the volume control
[01:49] <bimberi> Ricky28269: To use the windows key in keyboard shortcuts as a modifier (like ALT): Run 'xmodmap' and see what Super_L corresponds to.  Then follow method B at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560 and use <mod4> (or whatever Super_L corresponded to with 'xmodmap') as the modifier. For example, a shortcut to use windows key + d would look like '<mod4>d'
[01:49] <bimberi> Ricky28269: you need to right-click and uncheck 'Lock to Panel' for it and other panel items that prevent it from moving
[01:50] <Ricky28269> oh haha i thought i already unchecked it. well then that's good to know everything can be moved
[01:53] <Ricky28269> what is the command that locks the computer?
[01:58] <bimberi> Ricky28269: you've got me there :)  I guess its done by sending a signal to gnome-screensaver which is always running
[02:01] <Ricky28269> hmm. well there has to be a way to do it, there is a way to do everything in linux lol
[02:01] <bimberi> of course ;
[02:01] <bimberi> )
[02:02] <Ricky28269> i might have found a clue but i don't know exactly what it is or how to interpret it as a command... look at /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[02:02] <Ricky28269> i have no idea about linux scripting but one line says "su $user -c "(xscreensaver-command -lock)""
[02:04] <Ricky28269> what is the "su" program? it is saying Authentication failure to my password
[02:05] <bimberi> !sudo | Ricky28269
[02:05] <ubotu> Ricky28269: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:06] <Ricky28269> not sudo... su
[02:06] <Ricky28269> i know about sudo, i love it :-D
[02:07] <bimberi> Ricky28269: kk, i was suggesting an alternative :)
[02:07] <Ricky28269> oh well i figured maybe it was a command but still, not found with sudo
[02:08] <Ricky28269> i didn't know su was a sort of sudo until a second ago
[02:09] <bimberi> hm, there's no 'xscreensaver-command' on my install
[02:10] <Ricky28269> oh, i think i just realized why...
[02:10] <Ricky28269> ubuntu uses gnome-screensaver, not xscreensaver
[02:10] <Ricky28269> they seem to be two different programs
[02:11] <bimberi> yes
[02:12] <Ricky28269> yay!
[02:12] <Ricky28269> gnome-screensaver-command --lock
[02:12] <bimberi> well done!!
[02:13] <Ricky28269> and the Windows+L keybind is successful. thanks for your help! :)
[02:14] <bimberi> no problem :)
[02:15] <Ricky28269> ugh. still got plenty more things to do to get my very first ubuntu machine completely configured...
[02:15] <Ricky28269> i spent hours today trying to get my wireless device working lol
[02:15] <Ricky28269> next step is to get an efficient video driver so that i can play games and stuff like that. even the Cosmos screen saver runs at about 5 fps (judging just by eye)
[02:16] <Ricky28269> do you have any recommendations on places to get linux drivers such as a driver for my ATI Radeon 9600SE?
[02:16] <bimberi> !ati
[02:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:16] <bimberi> (all i know) :)
[02:16] <bimberi> !wireless
[02:16] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:16] <Ricky28269> :)
[02:17] <Ricky28269> yeah i used that documentation
[02:17] <Ricky28269> i had ndiswrapper, i had the device detected, i had a static IP, my config files were fine
[02:17] <Ricky28269> finally after tons of retrying and researching i found out that some linux drivers were conflicting (and winning, i guess) so i had to add 4 blacklist entries and then it magically worked
[02:18] <bimberi> well done again - seems your problem solving skills are well developed :)
[02:18] <bimberi> ubotu: winkey is <reply> To use the windows key in keyboard shortcuts as a modifier (like ALT): Run 'xmodmap' and see what Super_L corresponds to.  Then follow method B at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560 and use <mod4> (or whatever Super_L corresponded to with 'xmodmap') as the modifier. For example, a shortcut to use windows key + d would look like '<mod4>d'
[02:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, bimberi
[08:14] <chovynz> I have the application menu open. I have selected the particular application I want to edit the command line of...
[08:14] <chovynz> What is the command to open this application as root?
[08:15] <chovynz> *I have the menu entry editor open
[09:34] <kgoetz_> hi all
[09:34] <kgoetz_> can i set different configuration/run a boot script depending on client mac address?
[09:36] <kgoetz> disadvantage of screen : forgetting your already connected
[03:39] <cbx33> hi all
[03:39] <cbx33> hey rodarvus
[03:40] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[03:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:43] <jsgotangco> Hi!
[03:43] <sbalneav> Hey jsgotangco!
[03:44] <willvdl> woohoo
[03:45] <jsgotangco> Hey its been a while how are things?
[03:45] <willvdl> buuuuusy
[03:45] <willvdl> who here was at UDS?
[03:45] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[03:45] <willvdl> woot
[03:45] <jsgotangco> Same here...i have no computer too...doing irc on a phone at the moment
[03:46] <willvdl> yeah but you got some nifty phone thing :)
[03:46] <jsgotangco> pc and laptop got trashed at the same time no $ to fix them at the moment
[03:46] <cbx33> hehe
[03:46] <cbx33> I want a linux phone
[03:46] <jsgotangco> Been reading a lot of books lately though
[03:47] <cbx33> good good
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Im halfway through an RSA book heheheh
[03:47] <willvdl> ah geek books ;)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> Hehe and a biography too
[03:58] <Ricky28269> Hi, how do I add a standby button to the turn off screen?
[04:09] <sbalneav> A "Standby" button?
[04:09] <sbalneav> What does standby do?
[04:09] <willvdl> as in hibernate-lite?
[04:11] <willvdl> http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2006/11/23/open-source-software-in-education-in-the-uk
[04:16] <jsgotangco> cbx33: for what its worth, a peer of mine working at MS had his laptop running vista ultimate failed to switch to a projector and presented without slides at all at a recent conference
[04:16] <cbx33> haha
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Its true really shameful
[04:22] <cbx33> the fact the ubuntu doesn't do it or vista
[04:23] <willvdl> it's gonna be a feisty spec ;)
[04:24] <Ricky28269> So... there is no standby button then?
[04:24] <cbx33> is it ?
[04:24] <Ricky28269> Isn't there such thing as standby in the Ubuntu world??
[04:24] <cbx33> I have it on mine
[04:24] <willvdl> as in Suspend?
[04:24] <sbalneav> I usually just hit Suspend
[04:24] <Ricky28269> sbalneav: standby puts the computer in a low-power state, keeping data in RAM but shutting off all other devices. It also allows certain devices to wake the computer from standby, for instance the keyboard and mouse buttons
[04:25] <Ricky28269> yeah sure Suspend. Where is that?
[04:25] <sbalneav> OK, That's suspend.
[04:25] <willvdl> suspend.
[04:25] <Ricky28269> Windows XP calls it standby. but ok
[04:25] <willvdl> as in "suspend to disk" moot point
[04:25] <Ricky28269> When I click the door button thing it shows Log out, lock screen, switch user, hibernate, restart, shut down
[04:25] <Ricky28269> where is suspend?
[04:25] <sbalneav> If the power manager detects that your computer supports it the way Linux wants it, it should put it on the power manager for you.
[04:26] <sbalneav> OK, the power manager doesn't think your computer can suspend.
[04:26] <Ricky28269> Can I change its way of thinking?
[04:26] <willvdl> is it a laptop?
[04:26] <Ricky28269> Nope
[04:27] <sbalneav> You might want to google around for your motherboard.  It might need a bios update.
[04:28] <Ricky28269> I suppose I'll try hibernate one more time. But last night, after I installed Ubuntu and configured it and was ready for bed, I hit hibernate and it turned off like expected, but this morning I turned it on and it froze during the Mount step so I shut it off and turned it back on, and then my disk had problems which (luckily) were fixed with fsck.
[04:28] <sbalneav> A lot of times, if a box won't suspend, it's because it's because it's APM isn't at a level that Linux needs.
[04:28] <willvdl> sbalneav, can one not just edit the acpi modes in /sys/ ?
[04:29] <sbalneav> willvdl: Don't think so.
[04:29] <sbalneav> I've usually solved it in the past by updating bioses.
[04:29] <Ricky28269> Ok so I just hit hibernate, it shut off, now let's see what happens when I try to un-hibernate it.
[04:30] <Ricky28269> Whoa
[04:30] <Ricky28269> It just...
[04:30] <Ricky28269> eh.
[04:30] <Ricky28269> It showed the Ubuntu screen with loading drivers and mounting root file system, and then the screen went yellow and... wait I guess that's normal, I have the login box now
[04:31] <Ricky28269> ok it worked. I don't know why it got stuck this morning, but if I have any problems I'll ask them here. I suppose I can live with hibernate instead of standby.
[04:31] <amachu> is there an edubuntu ppt available for download
[04:32] <sbalneav> ppt?
[04:32] <sbalneav> Powerpoint?
[04:32] <amachu> sbalneav, sorry for that..
[04:32] <amachu> sbalneav, presentation
[04:33] <amachu> sbalneav, OO :_0
[04:33] <Ricky28269> LOL
[04:33] <amachu> sbalneav, :-)
[04:33] <sbalneav> Not sure what you're asking for...
[04:33] <amachu> sbalneav, I am contact person of Ubuntu Tamil Team
[04:33] <Ricky28269> sbalneav are you being naive on purpose or do you really have no knowledge of Microsoft/Windows stuff?
[04:33] <amachu> sbalneav, we have got contact of few schools
[04:33] <amachu> sbalneav, they are interested in edubuntu
[04:34] <amachu> sbalneav, we plan to project edubuntu
[04:34] <sbalneav> Ricky28269: I don't run Windows anymore, and haven't since 1998, but I know what a powerpoint presentation is, just wasn't sure if that was what he was asking for.
[04:34] <amachu> sbalneav, is there any OO presentation that's available for edubuntu?
[04:34] <sbalneav> amachu: I have no idea.  Have you checked on the wiki?
[04:35] <amachu> i have to
[04:35] <amachu> sbalneav, i will also check in edubuntu installation
[04:35] <amachu> :-)
[04:35] <Ricky28269> sbalneav: oh, wow. since 1998... Who do you work for that doesn't use Windows? I mean, Windows XP has pretty much dominated the corporate world for the last 3 or 4 years, it's hard not to be in contact with it
[04:35] <sbalneav> either jsgotangco or highvoltage may have one.
[04:36] <sbalneav> Ricky28269: I work for Legal Aid Manitoba.  We've been all Linux since about 2000.
[04:36] <sbalneav> I've never used Win XP.
[04:36] <Ricky28269> amachu: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Presentations
[04:37] <Ricky28269> Well you don't know what you're missing. Which, I guess, is a good thing. There are ups and downs to Windows, and I'm sure Linux is cleaner, but so far I have found a much easier/better time with Windows than I have with Ubuntu...
[04:38] <amachu> Ricky28269, thank u
[04:38] <Ricky28269> Ubuntu doesn't play nice with NTFS partitions which caused me to lose my desktop partition and almost lose my laptop's too... Long story, basically I could have saved my desktop had I known about a partition recovery program TestDisk... But anyway. yeah. That was a pain.
[04:39] <Ricky28269> And then it took me about 5+ hours to configure my USB wireless device
[04:39] <Ricky28269> and it's not like it's brand new, cutting-edge... I've had it for over a year so I expected to find drivers easily enough
[04:40] <Ricky28269> And then this morning, and I haven't even been using Ubuntu for 24 hours, the hibernate screwed up and the hard drive had some errors that didn't let Ubuntu boot so it went into some safe mode thing and made me fsck
[04:40] <Ricky28269> So, yeah. Ubuntu hasn't been very good to me - yet.
[04:40] <Ricky28269> oh, and amachu - no problem. I just googled edubuntu presentations lol
[04:41] <sbalneav> Converting from existing hardware's always a problem, as hardware manufacturers don't always provide Linux compatible drivers, or information that allows Free Software programmers to write ones.
[04:42] <sbalneav> What happens is, after a while, you end up simply buying hardware that DOES have good linux support.
[04:42] <sbalneav> So, for wireless, you get centrino based devices
[04:42] <Ricky28269> Yeah. Well it turned out that ndiswrapper worked fine for it, except 4 other drivers were conflicting with it so I reinstalled a few times and then finally found some guy's post about 4 blacklist entries that I had to add and it worked great.
[04:42] <Ricky28269> It was a Netgear WG111
[04:43] <Ricky28269> But I see what you're saying, I was just expecting things to "just work" like they do on Macs and generally do on Windows XP
[04:43] <Ricky28269> Anyway... family just arrived, so I've gotta go mingle with the locals.
[04:43] <Ricky28269> I'll be back if I have more problems - which I probably will ;)
[04:44] <sbalneav> We'll be here.
[04:44] <jsgotangco> Laptops hmmm?
[04:44] <sbalneav> Yeah, I just bought a laptop down at uds.
[04:44] <sbalneav> System76
[04:44] <sbalneav> Came with Ubuntu pre-installed.
[04:44] <sbalneav> Intel video
[04:44] <sbalneav> Centrino wireless
[04:45] <sbalneav> I can switch between the external video connector and the screen properly.
[04:45] <sbalneav> I love it.
[05:40] <Ricky28269> OK now I'm having trouble setting up Samba...
[05:41] <Ricky28269> When I try to connect from my Windows machine to my edubuntu machine, it asks for an username and password, but I have it set to allow all machines and guests, so why is it asking? What would I put in, or do I have something configured wrong?
[05:41] <stgraber> hello everyone
[05:42] <stgraber> Ricky28269: Does your ndiswrapper work ?
[05:42] <Ricky28269> Yep
[05:42] <stgraber> fine
[05:42] <cbx33> Ricky28269, I had that exact problem today
[05:42] <Ricky28269> I got it working
[05:42] <Ricky28269> It was conflicting with 4 built-in drivers, so I had to blacklist them
[05:42] <cbx33> I've not solved it either
[05:42] <stgraber> I also had this problem and solved it, but I just need to find the answer again :)
[05:43] <Ricky28269> Really? It's an odd problem, and I guess the only way would be to add each of the users that should be connecting because I think Windows by default accesses a remote computer with the currently logged on user's name
[05:43] <cbx33> please
[05:43] <cbx33> please
[05:43] <Ricky28269> Yes definitely, find that answer please!
[05:43] <Ricky28269> Or copy your conf file, maybe that would reveal the thing that we are missing
[05:43] <cbx33> heheh
[05:43] <cbx33> yeh i tried a whole bunch of things
[05:43] <cbx33> it should work OOTB
[05:44] <Ricky28269> yep.
[05:44] <Ricky28269> but I was thinking maybe ubuntu has a firewall that I don't know about
[05:44] <cbx33> or at least I should be able to use my linux user/pass to access the sahre
[05:44] <cbx33> no it doens't
[05:44] <stgraber> first, you have to create a samba account for the guest login
[05:44] <Ricky28269> I really don't know much about ubuntu at all
[05:44] <stgraber> for example : smbpasswd -a nobody
[05:44] <cbx33> hmmm
[05:44] <cbx33> really?
[05:44] <cbx33> that should be in the shared folders program
[05:44] <cbx33> not fair otherwise
[05:45] <Ricky28269> i just did that... nothing new.
[05:45] <stgraber> then once you have a guest account, map it to the Windows guest account with : guest account = nobody
[05:45] <Ricky28269> ah, ok.
[05:46] <Ricky28269> how do you tell samba to default to guest ok = yes? or does it default to it anyway?
[05:46] <cbx33> Ricky28269, please if you get it working can u summarise what you had to do
[05:47] <Ricky28269> sure
[05:48] <Ricky28269> how do you restart the samba server after changing a conf file?
[05:48] <stgraber> /etc/init.d/samba reload
[05:48] <Ricky28269> tyvm, i had been just restarting the whole computer each time lo
[05:48] <Ricky28269> *lol
[05:48] <stgraber> the only thing you must restart your computer is a kernel change
[05:49] <Ricky28269> ok so I did both things - i created account nobody with no password, and then i added the guest account line. it still asks for user and pass
[05:50] <stgraber> I just tried here and it works, so I'm posting my smb.conf somewhere
[05:50] <stgraber> btw, I had to add : guest ok = yes
[05:50] <stgraber> to the share section
[05:51] <stgraber> and be sure to have : security = user
[05:51] <Ricky28269> ah, security = user might be my problem
[05:51] <stgraber> I only had problem with security = share
[05:51] <stgraber> and you can do exactly the same from my point of view
[05:52] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33492/
[05:53] <stgraber> It's a samba PDC config (Domain Controler), so only take care of the 4 first paragraphs in the General part and the Test share
[05:54] <Ricky28269> i think i need to wikipedia WINS
[05:54] <Ricky28269> what is it used for? wp doesn't tell much
[05:54] <stgraber> WINS is used to do the translation between the Windows computer name and the IPs
[05:54] <stgraber> It's used for example when you do \\server
[05:55] <Ricky28269> so I don't need it then
[05:55] <stgraber> Windows check : Active directory (if one), WINS, the HOST file and finally the DNS
[05:55] <Ricky28269> well it already works by putting \\ricky2 (ubuntu comp is ricky2) so i guess I don't need it, or it's on by default
[05:55] <stgraber> no, it's not important if you are already in a Windows workgroup or if you always specify the IP or your DNS name
[05:56] <cbx33> heh
[05:56] <Ricky28269> password level = 0
[05:57] <Ricky28269> i don't have that.
[05:57] <Ricky28269> is that the solution?
[05:57] <stgraber> not really important
[05:57] <stgraber> nope
[05:57] <Ricky28269> ok
[05:57] <stgraber> it's used for some old Windows (95 and 98) which weren't case sensitive
[05:58] <stgraber> you solution is more line : 14-16, 20, 24 and 99-105
[05:59] <Ricky28269> do i need the admin users thing?
[05:59] <Ricky28269> and invalid users
[06:00] <stgraber> invalid users is a good idea
[06:00] <stgraber> admin users isn't useful in my opinion
[06:01] <Ricky28269> also the two masks - are they required? I thought that's what browseable and writable determined?
[06:02] <Ricky28269> also... are those the spellings? I just know I would get them messed up - if I were to up browsable and writeable, would samba know anyway or would those be ignored?
[06:03] <Ricky28269> -up +put
[06:04] <Ricky28269> and, testparm doesn't seem to read most of the lines. does that mean they are set to defaults, or why does it ignore a lot of lines?
[06:04] <Ricky28269> yay it works tho
[06:04] <cbx33> you got it working?
[06:05] <Ricky28269> yeah, hold on a minute and i'll post my very basic conf file so that you can see what i did
[06:05] <cbx33> dude you rock
[06:05] <cbx33> thanks ;)
[06:06] <Ricky28269> i keep forgetting "sudo" lol
[06:07] <Ricky28269> and it gives me permission errors
[06:07] <Ricky28269> ok so, after experimenting just now, apparently you can't have spaces in the folders. not the share names, but the actual folder names that you are sharing on the ubuntu box
[06:07] <Ricky28269> i made /home/ricky/Shared Folder and i put it in the conf file as /home/ricky/Shared\ Folder but nevertheless, samba gave access denied
[06:08] <Ricky28269> and then i just renamed to /home/ricky/shared and it works great. now i'm pasting
[06:09] <Ricky28269> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33498
[06:10] <Ricky28269> cbx33: don't forget to do sudo smbpasswd -a nobody and hit enter twice (blank password)
[06:10] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[06:10] <cbx33> thanks dude
[06:10] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[06:11] <Ricky28269> ok so, now i can scratch another thing from my mental to-do list for setting up edubuntu :)
[06:11] <cbx33> heheh
[06:12] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[06:12] <Ricky28269> i should probably be documenting this for myself so that if my machine gets screwed i don't have to go through these pains again lol
[06:12] <cbx33> LaserJock, dude you ok to talk for a while?
[06:13] <Ricky28269> oh great. my samba pains are not over yet...
[06:13] <cbx33> :(
[06:13] <Ricky28269> i am thinking the "nobody" user doesn't have write permissions to my shared folder
[06:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: I think so for a bit
[06:13] <LaserJock> cbx33: I'm at home
[06:14] <Ricky28269> i think i need a chmod.
[06:14] <Ricky28269> i have no idea about linux permissions...
[06:14] <Ricky28269> :S
[06:15] <Ricky28269> if someone here can help... how do i allow the nobody user read and write permission to a directory?
[06:16] <cbx33> you could add them to the group of the person who already has permission?
[06:17] <stgraber> I'm back
[06:17] <Ricky28269> i think i need to add a group called shared, and then add the nobody user to that group, and then... something.
[06:17] <stgraber> oh, great it worked
[06:17] <Ricky28269> yay stgraber is back, he can help
[06:17] <stgraber> :)
[06:17] <Ricky28269> :)
[06:18] <stgraber> for your directory, if everyone should be able to write, just do :
[06:18] <stgraber> chmod 777 yourdirectory
[06:18] <stgraber> and put 0666 for create mask and 0777 for directory mask
[06:18] <Ricky28269> so it is possible to chmod directories then?
[06:18] <stgraber> otherwise, yes you can play with the groups
[06:18] <cbx33> eeeeeeeekkkk
[06:19] <cbx33> 777 noooooo
[06:19] <stgraber> cbx33: what permission would you set to allow everyone for entering, writing and reading a directory ?
[06:19] <Ricky28269> lol
[06:19] <cbx33> i wouldn't I'd give a group access to write
[06:19] <cbx33> and make everyone a member of it
[06:20] <cbx33> 777 is bad news
[06:20] <Ricky28269> there should be a 777.com
[06:20] <stgraber> well, as samba will do everything in this directory as nobody
[06:20] <Ricky28269> it's a gambling site.
[06:20] <Ricky28269> how lame.
[06:20] <stgraber> you can simply chmod it as 700
[06:20] <stgraber> and 0600/0700 for samba
[06:20] <stgraber> then chown it to nobody
[06:21] <Ricky28269> chown. hehe. looks like clown.
[06:21] <stgraber> doing a group for one user is hmmm, ... not that useful
[06:21] <Ricky28269> clown it to nobody :-D
[06:21] <cbx33> I'll clown you in a minute ;)
[06:21] <Ricky28269> lol
[06:21] <stgraber> :)
[06:21] <cbx33> stop chowning around
[06:22] <Ricky28269> it seems weird, making nobody the owner of a subdirectory of /home/ricky
[06:22] <stgraber> yes, it's :)
[06:22] <Ricky28269> i think i need to put the shared folder somewhere else
[06:22] <stgraber> you should do a /data or something like this
[06:22] <Ricky28269> yeah i'll just make /shared
[06:22] <stgraber> not doing everything in your own home directory
[06:24] <Ricky28269> do i need the 600/700 for samba?
[06:24] <stgraber> you don't need them but it's better
[06:24] <stgraber> as Windows make everything executable
[06:25] <Ricky28269> ohhh i see
[06:25] <Ricky28269> the create mask... i see.
[06:25] <stgraber> that's the Unix permission used when creating a file or directory
[06:25] <Ricky28269> well now i can't browse the shared share
[06:26] <Ricky28269> and i DID change the conf file to reflect /shared instead of /home/ricky/shared, so that's not the problem...
[06:26] <stgraber> and what's the permission and owner/groups on /shared ?
[06:26] <Ricky28269> i did chmod 700 /shared and then chown nobody /shared
[06:27] <stgraber> did you reload samba ?
[06:27] <Ricky28269> yep
[06:27] <Ricky28269> how do i enable my user account to access /shared now? lol
[06:28] <stgraber> ok, in that case you need group :)
[06:28] <Ricky28269> well then.
[06:28] <stgraber> groupadd the-name-you-want
[06:28] <Ricky28269> yeah cause i kinda would like to be able to access my files that i copy over lol
[06:28] <stgraber> or more addgroup
[06:28] <stgraber> addgroup the-name-you-want
[06:29] <Ricky28269> shared would be a find group name right? or is it a restricted keyword that would cause problems?
[06:29] <Ricky28269> -find +fine
[06:29] <stgraber> I think you can use it
[06:29] <Ricky28269> ok
[06:29] <Ricky28269> added
[06:29] <stgraber> then : adduser your-username shared
[06:29] <stgraber> and : adduser nobody shared
[06:30] <Ricky28269> it is done
[06:30] <stgraber> then : chmod 770 /shared
[06:31] <stgraber> and : chown nobody.shared /shared
[06:31] <stgraber> (it will only apply on the directory not it's content)
[06:31] <Ricky28269> k
[06:31] <stgraber> then change in your smb.conf
[06:31] <stgraber> create mask 0660
[06:32] <stgraber> directory mask 0770
[06:32] <Ricky28269> i don't have permission to see the shared folder again lol
[06:32] <stgraber> force group = shared
[06:33] <Ricky28269> shared is still access denied from windows xp
[06:33] <stgraber> and can you access it from your user ?
[06:33] <Ricky28269> no
[06:33] <Ricky28269> "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "shared"."
[06:34] <stgraber> ok, I never know when Linux read the groups ...
[06:34] <stgraber> try to open a new terminal
[06:34] <Ricky28269> can i do something like chown shared /shared or chown *.shared /shared ?
[06:34] <stgraber> and cd /shared
[06:34] <Ricky28269> Permission denied
[06:34] <stgraber> chown nobody.shared /shared as I said before
[06:34] <Ricky28269> yeah i did that
[06:34] <Ricky28269> but maybe that is the problem?
[06:34] <stgraber> nobody is the user and shared the group
[06:34] <stgraber> both have all rights on the directory (770)
[06:35] <Ricky28269> i just chmod'ed 777 and now i can access it lol
[06:35] <Ricky28269> but of course
[06:36] <stgraber> ok, well opening a terminal doesn't reload your groups list
[06:36] <stgraber> try closing/reopening your session
[06:36] <Ricky28269> so.... log out, log back in?
[06:37] <Ricky28269> too late, already did :)
[06:37] <stgraber> yes
[06:37] <stgraber> here it works
[06:37] <Ricky28269> and now i can access the shared folder locally
[06:37] <Ricky28269> but not from windows xp
[06:37] <stgraber> ok, that's the same problem with samba I think
[06:37] <stgraber> try : /etc/init.d/samba stop
[06:38] <stgraber> then : /etc/init.d/samba start
[06:38] <stgraber> that will reload samba completly not just making it reread the config file
[06:38] <Ricky28269> awesome, it works :)
[06:38] <stgraber> fine :)
[06:38] <Ricky28269> how long have you been using linux?
[06:39] <stgraber> hmm, 7-8 years I think
[06:39] <Ricky28269> and i've been using it 2 days. :-D
[06:39] <Ricky28269> well i had about a week of linux, a few months ago, when i put linux on a spare router of mine
[06:39] <Ricky28269> it's still sitting here, running OpenWRT, but not doing anything. just generating heat i guess.
[06:40] <stgraber> WRT54G ?
[06:40] <Ricky28269> WRT54GS
[06:40] <Ricky28269> close enough :)
[06:40] <stgraber> It's in my buylist :)
[06:40] <Ricky28269> hehe
[06:40] <Ricky28269> i have another linksys router, but it's way too old
[06:40] <stgraber> Actually I'm using a ZyXEL one but with closed source firmware
[06:41] <stgraber> and nearly everything nated to my server
[06:41] <Ricky28269> well i just can't think of any use for it
[06:41] <stgraber> with OpenWRT you can really do everything you want, like adding IPV6, managing multiple IP addresses, ...
[06:41] <Ricky28269> although i was going to use it as an automatic wireless thingy, if i couldn't get my usb wireless thing to work on ubuntu
[06:42] <Ricky28269> like configure it to automatically connect to my wireless router as a client, and then ethernet it to my ubuntu computer
[06:42] <stgraber> I also saw some OpenWRT capable AP with some USB ports
[06:42] <stgraber> then you can make a small Data server
[06:42] <Ricky28269> yeah
[06:42] <stgraber> with Samba, or put a webserver, ...
[06:42] <Ricky28269> I do have samba on it
[06:42] <stgraber> all the stuff you can't do with one of these closed source router
[06:42] <Ricky28269> samba client tho
[06:42] <Ricky28269> its 8mb of flash rom wouldn't be of much use lol
[06:43] <Ricky28269> but i was thinking of having it bittorrent for me and save the torrented stuff on a windows share on one of my computers
[06:43] <Ricky28269> to take the load off the computer
[06:43] <stgraber> yes, that's the good point of the USB powered ones, you have a big harddisk :)
[06:44] <Ricky28269> but then I got a new laptop a couple months ago, so one of my two desktops is now sitting in a corner being a "server" that bittorrents and has remote desktop
[06:44] <stgraber> indeed, you can use a network share, using NFS or Samba
[06:44] <Ricky28269> i'm on the laptop right now, it's a BEAST. it's basically my desktop cause the desktop i'm using for ubuntu is about 1/4 of the power lol
[06:45] <Ricky28269> http://www.rickyc.org/cpuz/
[06:45] <stgraber> yes, quite the same for me, when I received my new laptop, and I saw I can do everything I did with my Desktop, so I stopped using it and use my laptop all the time
[06:45] <stgraber> I just use my old desktop as a test computer for Feisty or Edubuntu
[06:45] <stgraber> (but that will end soon as I'm using VMWare for that now :) )
[06:45] <Ricky28269> this was my first laptop too, so it's quite the experience for me. lol
[06:46] <Ricky28269> anyway... let's see, what else do i need to do with edubuntu... hmm
[06:46] <Ricky28269> oh yeah, cube and sauerbraten
[06:46] <stgraber> my old desktop is also a Amd Sempron 2600+ :)
[06:46] <Ricky28269> :)
[06:47] <Ricky28269> jeez i swear my stereo is haunted...
[06:47] <stgraber> But you have a really better laptop than mine :)
[06:47] <Ricky28269> it's behind me, playing the radio, and then it just started staticking
[06:47] <stgraber> omg, 2GB of ram
[06:47] <Ricky28269> hehe. yeah i definitely went all-out on this thing
[06:47] <Ricky28269> does it show the video card on there? let's see...
[06:47] <Ricky28269> nope
[06:48] <Ricky28269> it's the nvidia geforce go 7900gs :)
[06:48] <Ricky28269> 1920x1200 17" LCD
[06:48] <stgraber> ok, it's dinner time here, I'll be back in 15 minutes or so
[06:48] <Ricky28269> ok, bye
[07:13] <Ricky28269> what is the equivalent of the HOSTS file for linux computers?
[07:14] <sc0tt> /etc/hosts
[07:14] <sc0tt> ;)
[07:14] <Ricky28269> wow, really? interesting.
[07:14] <sc0tt> Windows stole it from linux :P
[07:32] <stgraber> if you look at where Windows store the host file, you will see that indeed they have stolen this from Unix :)
[07:33] <stgraber> c:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
[07:33] <stgraber> etc\hosts, do you see something familiar ?
[07:38] <Ricky28269> yeah, i noticed that when he told me
[07:38] <Ricky28269> stgraber do you happen to know as much about windows as you do about linux? lol
[07:39] <Ricky28269> cause i have a weird problem and i have no clue how to go about fixing it
[07:39] <stgraber> It's always good to well know a system when you hate it :), so you have strong argument against it :)
[07:39] <stgraber> yes, I may help
[07:39] <stgraber> (or try at least)
[07:40] <Ricky28269> A process is loading a DLL, and I want to stop the process from loading the DLL when it starts, but it's an important Windows DLL so it isn't as easy as moving the DLL file. I have to figure out how to basically modify the exe file to tell it not to load the DLL on startup...
[07:41] <Ricky28269> The DLL is totally unnecessary though, I have no clue why it runs with the process but it has an infinite loop of reads that it is doing, and it takes up about 20% CPU usage (on my dual core - about 40% of 2ghz) and reads the hard drive repeatedly (definitely slowing it down, and extra wear and tear)
[07:42] <stgraber> yes, but if you do so, the software will not start
[07:42] <Ricky28269> Really? I don't think so... I killed the DLL thread with SysInternals' ProcessExplorer and the program worked fine
[07:43] <stgraber> a dll is a library, in itself it does nothing, that's the software that uses the functions provided by the DLL
[07:44] <Ricky28269> Well I need to stop the software from using the DLL then
[07:44] <stgraber> uhm, strange, you say that you see the DLL in a process explorer, like a software ?
[07:44] <Ricky28269> You have never heard of SysInternals?
[07:45] <Ricky28269> http://www.sysinternals.com - they recently got bought by microsoft but they work just the same
[07:45] <stgraber> nope, never heard of them
[07:45] <Ricky28269> and they have an application called ProcessExplorer that is like the Windows Task Manager, on steroids
[07:46] <Ricky28269> I used it to see the thread using the dll, and I killed that thread, and the reads stopped but the program worked just fine
[07:46] <Ricky28269> I tried enabling and disabling my wireless adapter, configuring settings, connecting and disconnecting my bluetooth hardware, everything. It all worked normally.
[07:47] <stgraber> what's the DLL and what's the software ? (just in case I know one of them :) )
[07:48] <Ricky28269> The software is the WIDCOMM Bluetooth Stack, v<IP_ADDRESS>0 - the process is btwdins.exe, the "Bluetooth Support Server"
[07:48] <Ricky28269> and the DLL is advapi32.dll
[07:48] <Ricky28269> (in system32 folder)
[07:49] <Ricky28269> Here's the filemon log: http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=btscreenshotbv6.png
[07:53] <stgraber> I'm sorry, I don't think I will be able to help this time, all I can say is this DLL is present in the standard Windows and shouldn't be removed and as far as you don't have the sourcecode of the software, I don't see any way to fix that manually
[07:53] <stgraber> So, the classic Windows solution : Reinstall + Update + Whine on forums
[07:53] <nixternal> stgraber: or install Linux
[07:53] <nixternal> ;p
[07:54] <stgraber> of course :)
[07:54] <nixternal> firefox needs to pop up a warning when you get redirected to a microsoft website, like "WTH is wrong with you"
[07:54] <stgraber> or simply redirect you somewhere else :)
[07:54] <Ricky28269> stgraber: lol
[07:54] <nixternal> and where you can click on yes to continue, make it so it moves on mouseover
[07:55] <nixternal> so you can never click yes
[07:55] <stgraber> yes, I did a little software like that using C# on Windows :)
[07:55] <nixternal> hehe
[07:57] <Ricky28269> Okay well 3 minutes til the $100 xbox 360s... i'm going to get set up and clear my router of all traffic :-D
[07:57] <Ricky28269> i'll be back at 2:05 or so
[08:09] <Ricky28269> jeez.
[08:09] <Ricky28269> the amazon servers are down
[08:09] <Ricky28269> like, way down
[08:09] <Ricky28269> if there was a word further down than down, that's what they would be
[08:10] <cbx33> hehe
[08:10] <cbx33> .co.uk still alive ;)
[08:10] <Ricky28269> well yeah. amazon.co.uk was not doing the $100 xbox 360s deal lol
[08:11] <Ricky28269> i wonder how long it will take for people to give up
[08:12] <cbx33> could take years ;)
[08:12] <Ricky28269> and i still don't understand how amazon thought they were going to get a way with this... selling 1,000 xbox 360s at $100 each, they should have known millions of people would try to connect at once and no server or server cluster can handle that much data...
[08:12] <Ricky28269> well, maybe google
[08:15] <Ricky28269> i really think it will probably be another hour til any byte of data gets to me lol
[08:15] <Ricky28269> wow. sold out.
[08:16] <Ricky28269> makes me really wonder if they even really sold them
[08:17] <cbx33> yeh
[08:17] <cbx33> they will have
[08:20] <Ricky28269> man i can't stop thinking, that is so impossible
[08:20] <Ricky28269> someone went through the main screen with the button, then they logged in, then they answered a verification question
[08:20] <Ricky28269> during that DDOS attack
[08:23] <stgraber> Anyone around knows how the way to add a package to universe exactly works ? I'm at the submited to revu step and I don't know if I shoul poke someone or anything else
[08:24] <juliux> stgraber, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[08:31] <Ricky28269> wow... cube is slow.
[08:31] <Ricky28269> why.
[08:32] <Ricky28269> does anyone else have Cube (http://sf.net/projects/cube) running smoothly in Ubuntu?
[08:32] <stgraber> do you have the 3d acceleration enabled ?
[08:33] <Ricky28269> i think so
[08:33] <Ricky28269> i did some steps
[08:33] <Ricky28269> that i found
[08:33] <Ricky28269> somewhere.
[08:33] <Ricky28269> how would i check if i have it enabled?
[08:34] <stgraber> glxinfo | grep direct
[08:34] <Ricky28269> direct rendering: no
[08:34] <Ricky28269> so i think not?
[08:34] <stgraber> you have a nvidia video card right ?
[08:35] <Ricky28269> ati
[08:35] <Ricky28269> radeon 9600SE
[08:35] <stgraber> ok :)
[08:35] <Ricky28269> my laptop has an nvidia card
[08:35] <stgraber> 9600SE, I'm not sure the open source driver works with it, I'll check
[08:35] <Ricky28269> i think it is right on the edge
[08:36] <Ricky28269> like, just barely old enough to not work with the ATI drivers
[08:36] <stgraber> nope it doesn't, ok so you have to install fglrx
[08:36] <Ricky28269> oh.
[08:36] <Ricky28269> what is the config file that lists display and card and all that? i modified that one and added some lines of stuff
[08:36] <stgraber> so no free driver for you, go checking if the proprietary does
[08:36] <stgraber> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:36] <Ricky28269> yeah that.
[08:37] <Ricky28269> i added AIGLX true and Extensions Composite enabled and XAANoOffscreenPixmaps
[08:37] <stgraber> ok, you will have to use fglrx to get 3d acceleration
[08:37] <stgraber> your driver doesn't support AIGLX
[08:37] <stgraber> and fglrx won't
[08:37] <Ricky28269> k
[08:37] <Ricky28269> should i remove the lines that i added or are they fine?
[08:38] <stgraber> AIGLX = false
[08:38] <stgraber> and remove the Extensions part
[08:38] <Ricky28269> leave the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps?
[08:38] <stgraber> I don't know this one
[08:39] <Ricky28269> ok well i'll just take it out, the tutorial thing added it
[08:39] <stgraber> remove it as well to have a clean xorg.conf
[08:39] <stgraber> so now : sudo aptitude install xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-control
[08:40] <highvoltage> hey stgraber
[08:41] <stgraber> hi
[08:42] <Ricky28269> ok stgraber that command finished
[08:42] <stgraber> so now edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[08:43] <stgraber> find the line where something like : Driver "ati"
[08:43] <stgraber> or Driver "radeon"
[08:43] <stgraber> and change ati or radeon by fglrx
[08:43] <Ricky28269> ok
[08:43] <Ricky28269> and then you have a secret reload command i presume?
[08:43] <stgraber> Section "Device" Identifier      "Device0" Driver          "fglrx" BusID           "PCI:1:5:0" Option          "BackingStore" "true" Option          "OpenGLOverlay" "on"
[08:43] <stgraber> EndSection
[08:44] <stgraber> I have that, on more lines of course :)
[08:44] <stgraber> (a small copy/paste bug ...)
[08:44] <Ricky28269> k, i added those changes
[08:45] <stgraber> the magic restart cmd is : close your session, once on the login box hit : <ctrl>+<alt>+<backspace>
[08:45] <stgraber> and your X server will reload itself
[08:46] <Ricky28269> "The greeter application appears to be crashing. Attempting to use a different one."
[08:46] <Ricky28269> hmm, new login screen.
[08:46] <Ricky28269> glxinfo | grep direct - direct rendering: No
[08:47] <stgraber> lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:47] <Ricky28269> nothing shown with that command
[08:47] <stgraber> weird
[08:47] <stgraber> sudo modprobe fglrx
[08:47] <Ricky28269> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/module...): Operation not permitted
[08:49] <stgraber> did you do the sudo ?
[08:49] <Ricky28269> yep
[08:51] <stgraber> last lines of dmesg ?
[08:51] <Ricky28269> [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 431 MBytes.
[08:52] <Ricky28269> [fglrx:firegl_init_module]  *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed
[08:52] <Ricky28269> it has those two pairs of messages 3 times, at the end of the log
[08:52] <Ricky28269> and they happen at the same exact time
[08:53] <Ricky28269> i'm restarting the computer lol
[08:53] <Ricky28269> maybe it's just my Windows-induced instincts, but whenever something like this happens I feel the need to restart and see if it still happens
[08:55] <Ricky28269> direct rendering: No (still)
[08:55] <Ricky28269> 2 lines with the grep fglrx
[08:55] <Ricky28269> does that mean success?
[08:56] <Ricky28269> the modprobe is successful
[08:57] <Ricky28269> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33519/
[08:58] <Ricky28269> it's not at the end of the dmesg, but a bit up in it
[08:59] <Ricky28269> stgraber... you still there?
[09:03] <stgraber> yes
[09:03] <Ricky28269> ok phew. i thought i lost you :)
[09:03] <stgraber> I was just away for a few minutes :)
[09:04] <Ricky28269> i noticed
[09:04] <Ricky28269> i freaked too
[09:04] <Ricky28269> lol
[09:04] <Ricky28269> ok so ... did you know i am using edubuntu 6.06.1, not 6.10?
[09:04] <Ricky28269> i'm wondering if maybe you are doing something on the assumption that i have 6.10
[09:05] <stgraber> nope, but the steps should be the same
[09:05] <Ricky28269> ok
[09:05] <stgraber> you have the module and fglrx works as a X driver
[09:05] <Ricky28269> and you read what I said above, right? the pastebin too
[09:05] <stgraber> yes
[09:05] <Ricky28269> that's the current situation after the restart.
[09:05] <stgraber> ok, can you pastebin : dmesg | grep agp
[09:06] <Ricky28269> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33522/
[09:08] <stgraber> ok, and : lsmod | grep agp
[09:08] <Ricky28269> 33523
[09:09] <Ricky28269> i pasted the grep fglrx too, just in case it helps at all
[09:10] <Ricky28269> so when this is all done, Direct rendering will say "yes"?
[09:10] <stgraber> yes
[09:10] <stgraber> and you will have a little bit more FPS in the games :)
[09:10] <Ricky28269> yeah
[09:10] <Ricky28269> more than a little bit, probably :)
[09:11] <Ricky28269> cube was running at about 10 fps, and it ran in windows at about 120 so i would expect 200 or so from linux :)
[09:11] <Ricky28269> i remember one time, I booted a live cd (can't remember which one), downloaded the windows version of cube to it and installed WINE, and then ran it and it ran much faster than windows lol
[09:11] <Ricky28269> so if WINE runs it faster, i would love to see it natively
[09:13] <stgraber> found on Google :
[09:13] <stgraber> sudo echo "base=0xd0000000 size=0x8000000 type=write-combining" > /proc/mtrr
[09:13] <stgraber> sudo rmmod fglrx
[09:13] <stgraber> sudo modprobe fglrx
[09:13] <cbx33> cube?
[09:14] <Ricky28269> http://sf.net/projects/cube
[09:14] <stgraber> cbx33: a FPS
[09:14] <Ricky28269> permission denied on the frist command lol
[09:14] <Ricky28269> why am i getting permissions denied from the sudo?
[09:14] <stgraber> hmm, of course you have a permission denied
[09:14] <stgraber> just because the > /proc/mtrr isn't passed through the sudo ...
[09:14] <stgraber> sudo -s
[09:14] <Ricky28269> oh haha
[09:14] <stgraber> then do : echo "base=0xd0000000 size=0x8000000 type=write-combining" > /proc/mtrr
[09:14] <Ricky28269> what is -s? i usually do -i
[09:15] <stgraber> -i use the shell specified in /etc/passwd for root, -s use the current shell
[09:15] <stgraber> (I didn't know, I just tell you what I have just read from the man page :) )
[09:16] <Ricky28269> hehe
[09:16] <Ricky28269> well they seem to be the same, and i just ran those in the -i
[09:16] <Ricky28269> rmmod and modprobe didn't return anything - i hate when stuff doesn't say "i have been successful! don't worry!"
[09:16] <Ricky28269> so i should restart again?
[09:16] <Ricky28269> or is there more?
[09:16] <stgraber> I personally hate when I have an error message, otherwise everything is good :)
[09:17] <stgraber> just check the end of dmesg
[09:17] <stgraber> to see if you still have those error messages
[09:17] <Ricky28269> it seems to have been successful
[09:17] <Ricky28269> but i'muna restart anyway :-D
[09:18] <Ricky28269> the cosmos screensaver was kinda funny too
[09:18] <Ricky28269> it ran at about 3 fps
[09:18] <stgraber> k, so restart X (logout + the 3 key thing)
[09:18] <Ricky28269> i restarted the whole computer, it will be done in a second
[09:18] <stgraber> hmm, bad Windows user ... :)
[09:18] <Ricky28269> lol
[09:18] <Ricky28269> hey, well last time the logout + 3 key thing didn't work
[09:19] <Ricky28269> i just logged in
[09:19] <stgraber> well restarting wasn't a good idea in my opinion
[09:19] <stgraber> as the echo things should be temporary
[09:20] <stgraber> so : glxinfo | grep direct
[09:20] <Ricky28269> direct rendering: No
[09:20] <stgraber> ok, not that weird :)
[09:20] <Ricky28269> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:20] <stgraber> hmm, strange
[09:20] <Ricky28269> is the Mesa part the problem?
[09:20] <Ricky28269> it has always been there
[09:20] <stgraber> maybe
[09:22] <stgraber> just check the end of your dmesg again
[09:23] <Ricky28269> that error again
[09:23] <Ricky28269> *ERROR* Process 4260 using kernel context 0
[09:23] <stgraber> ok, so the steps again, except the reboot :)
[09:23] <stgraber> echo, rmmod, modprobe
[09:24] <Ricky28269> ok steps done
[09:24] <Ricky28269> now logout and 3 keys?
[09:24] <stgraber> hmm, you can try something else :)
[09:24] <Ricky28269> ?
[09:24] <stgraber> /etc/init.d/gdm restart&
[09:24] <Ricky28269> k
[09:25] <stgraber> don't forget the final &
[09:25] <Ricky28269> with or without the & ?
[09:25] <Ricky28269> ok lol
[09:25] <Ricky28269> now i'm back at the login screen
[09:25] <Ricky28269> and i log in...
[09:26] <Ricky28269> direct rendering: No
[09:26] <Ricky28269> and the opengl thing
[09:26] <stgraber> and the end of dmesg ?
[09:26] <Ricky28269> pasting
[09:26] <Ricky28269> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33527/
[09:27] <Ricky28269> Internal AGP is not supported in 2.6 kernel.
[09:27] <Ricky28269> that sentence makes me nervous
[09:28] <cbx33> nice 100fps on cube
[09:29] <stgraber> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[09:29] <Ricky28269> what res?
[09:29] <Ricky28269> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33529/
[09:30] <stgraber> ok, so it confirms that your problem is more AGP related ...
[09:32] <sc0tt> hey folks
[09:32] <stgraber> hi
[09:32] <Ricky28269> hi
[09:32] <sc0tt> can edubuntu be installed from an ubuntu install?
[09:32] <sc0tt> similar to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:33] <Ricky28269> stgraber: can you tell me how to verify that AIGLX is in fact off?
[09:33] <cbx33> 1024x768
[09:33] <stgraber> Ricky28269: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/+bug/62547
[09:33] <cbx33> with bloom on
[09:33] <Ricky28269> lol yeah i'm reading that
[09:33] <Ricky28269> one guy said "Turning off AIGLX works."
[09:34] <Ricky28269> another person said someone didn't have any modules in /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agp
[09:34] <Ricky28269> gah, thanksgiving dinner's ready... and it's only 3:30. i don't get it. my parents are crazy. but whatever.
[09:34] <Ricky28269> stgraber, i'll be back in probably 45 minutes or so
[09:35] <stgraber> ok
[09:35] <stgraber> btw, 212FPS here
[09:35] <Ricky28269> is there a way i can open my machine to remote desktop so that you can mess with it?
[09:35] <stgraber> with 1280x800 :)
[09:35] <Ricky28269> i get a steady 60fps at 1920x1200, but that's cause of vsync :-P
[09:35] <stgraber> if it's directly viewable from the net, I could connect using SSH
[09:36] <Ricky28269> i'll put it in the zone
[09:36] <Ricky28269> the thing zone
[09:36] <Ricky28269> ah yes i remember: DMZ
[09:36] <stgraber> or just redirect the 22 port to it
[09:36] <stgraber> but you will need to install : ssh
[09:37] <stgraber> and add my key in the authorized_keys
[09:37] <stgraber> hi jono
[09:37] <cbx33> bah :p
[09:38] <cbx33> a nice steady 140 at 1280x1024
[09:38] <cbx33> peak 180
[09:38] <cbx33> drops to 60 with bloom on
[09:38] <cbx33> i need to change mouse sensitivity
[09:39] <cbx33> anyoe know how?
[09:49] <stgraber> cbx33: in the config.cfg file
[09:49] <stgraber> cbx33: the "sensitivity 30" line
[09:49] <cbx33> cool thanx
[09:49] <stgraber> np
[09:49] <cbx33> how do I goto level where I can actually shoot something
[11:06] <Ricky28269> hey stgraber, i'm back :)
[11:07] <stgraber> ok :)


[07:21] <dholbach> good morning
[13:49] <balloons> jose, just want to make sure my events get posted on http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/. July 10th, 1 hour at 1900. July 15th, 1 hour at 1900
[14:03] <jcastro> marcoceppi, 25 leafs, 109 overall
[14:04] <jose> balloons: if you could provide me with more info (such as the title and speakers) to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it'd be awesome - I'm about to leave but can get it on the cal as soon as I get back
[14:05] <balloons> jose, sure thing
[14:05] <jose> I've still got a couple mins
[14:05] <jose> so if you just give them here I'll put them instantly there
[16:26] <jose> Daviey: I'm doing a MAAS cluster install and just remembered how much fun the audience had by watching a live demo of it at UDS-Q!
[16:32] <marcoceppi> jcastro: close dude, I'm at 27 leafs, 162 overall
[16:32] <jcastro> marcoceppi, your sabotage of me worked
[16:33]  * marcoceppi laughs maniacally
[16:34] <Daviey> jose: Hah, yes - possibly the least prepared demo ever.. but went reasonably well, and seemed to be recieved well :)
[16:35] <jose> Daviey: well, I liked it :P
[16:35] <Daviey> jose: Thank you :)
[16:36] <jose> when are you coming to Peru for some pisco?
[16:59] <mhall119> jose: is pisco that awful stuff you brought to oakland?
[17:00] <jose> mhall119: well, it's not awful
[17:01] <mhall119> my throat said otherwise
[17:01] <jose> well, you should't be drinking it straight!
[17:02] <jose> it needs to be mixed with some ginger ale
[17:02] <mhall119> that might help
[17:03] <jcastro> The ratio for good pisco is 1% pisco, and 99% something else!
[17:04] <jose> probably if you have a sprint here I may take you to some place where they serve good pisco
[17:08] <dholbach> popey, time to start Ubuntu Cinnamon!
[17:09] <popey> hah
[17:09] <dholbach> it's installable in unicorn as of now :)
[18:31] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you tomorrow!
[18:50] <pleia2> doh, UOS same time as OpenStack Summit
[18:51] <popey> uhoh
[18:53] <pleia2> yeah, I had actually hoped to participate again, so much for that
[18:53] <pleia2> not sure how much overlap there is in communities these days
[19:23] <mhall119> pleia2: oh you're kidding
[19:23] <pleia2> mhall119: November 3-7 in Paris


[04:19] <mup> Bug #1553646 opened: [2.0a1] Rack controller unable to listen on dhcpd.sock <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553646>
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1553647 opened: [2.0a1] maas-region-controller-min depends on old package iproute <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553647>
[04:19] <mup> Bug #1553648 opened: [2.0a1] dbconfig-common seems confused with maas <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553648>
[07:40] <mup> Bug #1553665 opened: Unconfigured interfaces shouldn't add DNS records <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553665>
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1553791 opened: Management commands should be maas-region and maas-rack <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553791>


[05:37] <chalcedony> while waiting Full Circle Magazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-46/
[05:37] <chalcedony> Direct: http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue46_en.pdf
[16:02] <cjwatson> no Robbie today?
[16:03] <barry> no
[16:03] <cjwatson> bah, slacker :)
[16:04] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:04] <cjwatson> ok, who's here?
[16:05] <barry> o/
[16:05] <ev> o/
[16:05] <mvo> hello
[16:05] <jhunt> hi
[16:06] <csurbhi1> o/
[16:06] <cjwatson> doko: around?
[16:06] <doko> here
[16:07] <cjwatson> great, so everyone except Robbie
[16:07] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning round
[16:07] <cjwatson> done: biosdevname packaging and integration; fixing bugs for alpha-3, including most of a day spent tracking down bug 723482
[16:07] <cjwatson> todo: more bugs arising from multiarch dpkg; lots of beta-1 bugs to beat on
[16:07] <cjwatson> --
[16:07] <cjwatson> in order of showing up in my client, then :)
[16:07] <cjwatson> barry:
[16:07] <barry> short week due to usa holiday; python-keyring, launchpadlib bug fixing, upgrades; reviewed some branches; claws bugs<PHONE_NUMBER>16; ubuntu dev guide/udd updates; helped #ubuntu-touch w/python issues; python hg experimentation; mm3 refactoring; udd class presented; dh_python2 and flufl.enum; done.
[16:08] <cjwatson> ev:
[16:08] <barry> that one was caused by some weird brokenness in an early maverick->natty upgrade (which i never did track down)
[16:08] <barry> bug 724416 is the one that's kicking my butt now
[16:09] <ev> Getting the partitioner redesign and upgrade/reinstall stuff ready for alpha 3. Fixing bugs. (Apologies for the terseness, on an iPad)
[16:09] <ev> Done
[16:09] <mvo> upgrade/reinstall: \o/
[16:10] <cjwatson> mvo:
[16:10] <mvo> rnr-server:
[16:10] <mvo> review branch reviews
[16:10] <mvo> land lp:~mvo/rnr-server/retrieve-by-id
[16:10] <mvo> propose lp:~mvo/rnr-server/make-port-configurable,
[16:10] <mvo> propose lp:~mvo/rnr-server/validate-token-without-ubuntu-sso
[16:10] <mvo> software-center:
[16:10] <mvo> add weblive prototype (with stgraber), fix crash after new review is entered, lp:~gary-lasker/software-center/deauthorize-my-computer, work on lp:~mvo/software-center/appstore-experiment but not successful (keeps hanging in odd places), branch review/merges
[16:10] <ev> Thanks so much for your help with that. I'll get to your emails just as soon as I have more of a computer in front of me.
[16:10] <mvo> Update-manager:
[16:10] <mvo> review/merge lp:~thibault-lemaitre/ubuntu/natty/update-manager/from_pkg.isInstalled_to_pkg.is_installed
[16:10] <mvo> work on 3g roaming detection (based on Alex Chiang patch)
[16:10] <mvo> (done)
[16:10] <mvo> ev: no worries
[16:11] <jhunt> 3 of the 4 main Upstart feature branches for Natty are now "in the
[16:11] <jhunt> wild". Finished check-config Upstart feature along with all tests for
[16:11] <jhunt> visualisation work: branch just needs merging to be ready for early next
[16:11] <jhunt> week. Have digested + documented socket bridge for Upstart for Natty
[16:11] <jhunt> code drop 2. Currently working on Keybuks session branch, and merging
[16:11] <jhunt> visualisation code into Ubuntu branch. Updated FFE bug 723846 with
[16:11] <jhunt> progress.
[16:11] <jhunt> EOT
[16:11] <cjwatson> csurbhi1:
[16:11] <csurbhi1> Introduced timer in mountall to wait for ROOTDELAY time for device to be configured by udev.
[16:11] <csurbhi1> Created, tested upstart jobs to start the recovery process if the ROOTDELAY time expires.
[16:11] <csurbhi1> Created, tested upstart jobs to run the initramfs :: init_top and initramfs :: init_premount scripts
[16:11] <csurbhi1> Experimented with udev attributes in upstart jobs (waiting for device configuration in real systems outside initramfs)
[16:11] <csurbhi1> DONE
[16:11] <cjwatson> doko:
[16:11] <doko> bootstrap work, libreoffice mentoring, libreoffice build fixes for two archs, looking into openjdk-6 build failures, need to fix more ...
[16:11] <doko> --
[16:11] <cjwatson> excellent, thank you.  is anyone blocked on anything?
[16:11] <doko> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110125-natty.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110125-natty.html
[16:12] <mvo> not as such, but I'm waiting for a new staging.reviews.ubuntu.com deployment
[16:12] <cjwatson> is that in RT?
[16:12] <mvo> yeah
[16:12] <mvo> the review-userfulness feature is hidden until this lands
[16:12] <doko> I think the ones in main should be looked at, but maybe this can wait next week's rebuild test
[16:12] <cjwatson> ah, 44261?
[16:13] <mvo> hold on a sec, need to find it in my inbox
[16:13] <cjwatson> doko: I've already filed bugs about at least gluezilla and linphone
[16:13] <mvo> #44197
[16:13] <cjwatson> I'll have a look at syslinux
[16:13] <cjwatson> uploads should probably wait until after alpha-2 now though
[16:14] <doko> my latex knowledge seems to be rusty, can't see the reason for the srtp build failure
[16:15] <ScottK> doko: What's the timeline on getting Bug #705689 fixed?
[16:15] <cjwatson> oh, goodness, that syslinux bug, I sent that upstream - I'll have to go and check
[16:15] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:15] <cjwatson> (since we've drifted and I don't have anything else specific)
[16:15] <ScottK> I think we're going to start building all of KDE with gcc4.4 in the meantime if it's not fixed soon.
[16:17] <cjwatson> there's a patch in comment 30 on that bug; I don't know if it's just for qgesturemanager, or fixes everything
[16:17] <doko> ScottK: no
[16:17] <doko> not targeted for any milestone
[16:17] <doko> I don't see it yet in the linaro branch
[16:18] <ScottK> It was targetted to Alpha 3 until a day or two ago.
[16:19] <mvo> doko: the xscreensaver one looks like its actually a bug while instlaling console-setup - how to get stuff off that list in those cases?
[16:19] <cjwatson> mvo: well, that's still a bug, just not in xscreensaver ...
[16:19] <cjwatson> so I need to work on that
[16:21] <doko> it's not targeted at all, hmm pitti ...
[16:21] <cjwatson> should probably be beta-1, IMO
[16:22] <doko> looks like this will be part of gcc-4.5 2011-03
[16:22] <ScottK> When does that land?
[16:23] <doko> in 03
[16:24] <doko> lets move on, addressing this on #u-r
[16:24] <cjwatson> OK, I don't think there's anything else anyway, from the looks of things
[16:24] <cjwatson> mvo: I'm asking Chipaca if he's already escalated that RT or if I need to
[16:24] <cjwatson> any other business?  going once ...
[16:24] <cjwatson> going twice ...
[16:25] <mvo> cjwatson: getting a ETA would be nice
[16:25] <cjwatson> mvo: OK, I'll try to extract that from somebody
[16:25] <cjwatson> ... gone.  thanks all.
[16:25] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:25.
[16:25] <ev> Thanks
[16:26] <barry> thanks!
[16:27] <doko> meetings are shorter without robbie ;)
[16:27] <jhunt> cheers
[16:27]  * cjwatson has a low tolerance for long meetings
[16:28] <mvo> thnkas!
[21:01] <barry> #startmeeting
[21:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:01. The chair is barry.
[21:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <barry> hi everyone and welcome to this week's ubuntu distributed development steering committee meeting.  all are welcome to join in
[21:01] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[21:01] <barry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302
[21:01] <barry> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/20110302
[21:02] <barry> we're going to wait a few minutes until poolie arrives
[21:02] <barry> who else is here today?
[21:02] <jelmer> me!
[21:03] <jelmer> Hi Barry
[21:03] <barry> hi jelmer.  great to have you here
[21:04] <jelmer> barry: did you see poolie's email?
[21:04] <jelmer> g'morning Ian
[21:04] <barry> jelmer: yep, he said he'd be 15m late.  we can wait
[21:05] <barry> if he's any longer, we'll start.  so folks, hang out until 2115 utc
[21:16] <barry> okay, hopefully poolie will be along soon.  i guess we should get started though
[21:16] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[21:16] <barry> most of these are poolie's but please chime in if you know the status of them
[21:16] <barry>    * poolie to advertise udd projects to non-staff contributors
[21:16] <barry> i believe this is done
[21:17] <barry>    * poolie to integrate jml's feedback into lep
[21:17] <barry> anybody know anything about this one?
[21:17] <jelmer> I don't think I've seen anything about the first item
[21:18] <barry> oh, maybe i'm just thinking about the internal email
[21:18] <barry>    * poolie to meet with allison re lep
[21:18] <barry>    * poolie to meet with robbiew re lep
[21:19] <barry> know anything about these?
[21:19] <jelmer> I think the second item happened, or at least something about it happened.
[21:19] <barry> i don't know what these leps are about.  do you know?
[21:19] <jelmer> ah
[21:20] <jelmer> it's https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BuildFromBranchIntoPrimary
[21:20] <barry> ah, cool.  yep, i've been following that one
[21:20] <jelmer> the LEP mentions Allison read it
[21:21] <barry> cool, thanks
[21:21] <barry>    * jam to propose/report plan for quilt imports
[21:21] <barry> jam doesn't appear to be around
[21:21] <barry> he's in a different timezone now :)
[21:22] <jelmer> yeah, I guess something went wrong there :)
[21:22]  * barry is particularly interested in this one
[21:22] <jelmer> james_w: ping
[21:22] <james_w> hi
[21:22] <jelmer> barry: I've been working on getting daily builds of GNOME packages based on the upstream imports and the ubuntu-desktop packaging branches
[21:22] <james_w> sorry I am late
[21:23] <jelmer> barry: I'm slowly starting to realise what an awesome feature properly working looms would be
[21:23] <barry> :)
[21:24] <barry> jelmer: do you think looms<->quilts makes sense?
[21:24] <jelmer> barry: Yes; I think we should fix looms where it doesn't make sense
[21:25] <barry> very cool
[21:25] <barry>    * poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr
[21:25] <barry>
[21:26] <barry> i guess w/o poolie we should move on
[21:26] <barry> [TOPIC] Package importer progress
[21:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Package importer progress
[21:26] <barry> james_w and/or jelmer ?
[21:26] <jelmer> Vincent and John fixed a lot of things in the importer
[21:27] <james_w> vila has done some good work cleaning up the code and making it more robust
[21:27] <james_w> there were also some bugs fixed that were causing import failures
[21:27] <slangasek> poolie did forward that link to ubuntu-devel, so maybe that's done?
[21:27] <james_w> there's a bzr bug that spiv has a branch for that is affecting quite a few imports
[21:27] <barry> slangasek: i do seem to remember it as well
[21:27] <james_w> in fact it occurs when there is a collision detected
[21:28] <james_w> and we had our first (known) real live one of those yesterday
[21:28] <barry> james_w: what kind of collision do you mean?
[21:28] <poolie> hi all
[21:28] <james_w> so the crash indicates it would have done the right thing, but it was a shame not to see it work out :-)
[21:28] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[21:28] <james_w> someone pushed to the branch at the same time someone else uploaded
[21:28] <james_w> so the archive and the branch disagreed
[21:28] <james_w> hi poolie
[21:29] <barry> hi poolie
[21:29] <barry> gotcha
[21:29] <slangasek> james_w: is this a collision that only occurs when the upload and push both happen within a certain rescan interval?  Because we've certainly had collisions of the more general kind before
[21:30] <barry> poolie: we ran through the action items already, but since most of them are assigned to you, can you catch us up in a few minutes?
[21:31] <james_w> slangasek, you mean two people uploading, or collisions involving UDD?
[21:31] <james_w> perhaps collision isn't the best name for this situation
[21:31] <slangasek> james_w: one person committing to the UDD branch, followed by someone ignoring the branch and uploading
[21:31] <poolie> sure
[21:31] <james_w> slangasek, right, that's the same situation
[21:32] <slangasek> james_w: ok, so yesterday is definitely not the first time this has happened, but maybe there's a new bug in bzr that's entangled here :)
[21:32] <james_w> slangasek, ok, it was the first confirmed one that I could remember :-)
[21:32] <slangasek> oh, sorry
[21:32] <slangasek> didn't know you wanted me to yell when it happens :-)
[21:33] <barry> james_w: any summary on how we're doing for package imports?  # or % fewer failures now?  how many still failing?
[21:33] <james_w> slangasek, nope, it's supposed to be taken care of automatically. This time it was just that people weren't sure what would happen, and so asked me to take a look
[21:34] <james_w> there are numbers and graphs on http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/
[21:34] <james_w> you can see that there has been a downward trend since the start of the year
[21:35] <slangasek> a number of the current import failures are cases where I know there's been divergence between UDD and archive, followed by a manual fix-up on the branch
[21:35] <barry> that's really fantastic
[21:35] <slangasek> how can we reconcile those so they're not shown as failures?
[21:36] <slangasek> (see, this has been going on for quite a while, and I thought I was doing good by updating the branches by hand ;)
[21:36] <james_w> slangasek, do you have an example?
[21:36] <slangasek> james_w: sure, one sec
[21:36] <slangasek> james_w: qemu-linaro
[21:36] <slangasek> also, armel-cross-toolchain-base cdbs gcc-4.5-armel-cross plymouth
[21:37] <james_w> ok, that needs an importer admin to check and tell the importer that the situation is fine, and it should carry on
[21:37] <slangasek> how best do I raise this (outside of the present meeting, that is?)
[21:37] <slangasek> I think the one time I tried to raise it on #is, I had bad timing due to the importer being offline right after squeeze release :)
[21:38] <james_w> a bug on udd would be appropriate I think
[21:38] <slangasek> ok
[21:38] <james_w> the procedure is documented on the wiki if you ask an admin and they don't know how to do it
[21:39] <poolie> just what issue is "this"?
[21:40] <james_w> that someone messed with the branches, and the importer currently keeps an audit log and complains when that happens
[21:40] <poolie> ok
[21:42] <barry> if now's a good time, poolie can you catch us up on the action items?
[21:42] <poolie> sure
[21:42] <poolie> so, we had a big thread about udd, with some feedback about the lep
[21:42] <poolie> i still need to fold that in
[21:42] <poolie> i spoke to allison about it; not yet to robbie
[21:43] <poolie> i was going to update it and then talk to him
[21:43] <poolie> i did forward a link to poolie forward/link to https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/ComponentReleasesWithBzr in to the packaging doc thread
[21:44] <barry> did you advertise the udd projects to non-staff?
[21:44] <poolie> not as such, only through discussion on the u-d list
[21:44] <poolie> what would be a good way to do that?
[21:45] <barry> other than also on the bzr mlists?  i don't know
[21:45] <poolie> perhaps we should can that
[21:45] <barry> cool.  i can leave that one un-done
[21:45] <poolie> i think on the whole it's better to just be open about what we're doing and have easy tasks for people to begin on if they want
[21:46] <barry> yep
[21:46] <barry> poolie: do you know anything about jam's progress/plan for quilt imports?
[21:46] <poolie> also, i spoke to flacoste and jml about scheduling work on the lep
[21:47] <poolie> which is the main thing we have to do next
[21:47] <poolie> it's not a very large amount of work, but it's not trivial
[21:47] <poolie> s/on the lep/on building source packages directly from  branches without recipes
[21:47] <poolie> at the moment it looks like it is second in the queue for new tasks to start
[21:48] <poolie> after finishing disclosure management (aka privacy, acls, etc)
[21:48] <barry> makes sense
[21:48] <poolie> that one is highly desired by canonical oem teams, and still half-done
[21:49] <poolie> [action] poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling
[21:49] <barry> [action] poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling
[21:49] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie talk to stakeholders about bfbip scheduling
[21:49] <poolie> we could possibly try it ourselves inside the bzr team, but i think on the whole it's better to wait for an lp squad
[21:50] <poolie> if they don't take it at that time, perhaps we will
[21:50] <poolie> regarding jam and looms: he's moving house so a bit distracted
[21:50] <poolie> i have seen some work by jelmer and others on looms recently
[21:51] <barry> poolie: thanks.  any other news on action items?
[21:51] <poolie> the plan on quilts is basically to turn the into looms
[21:51] <poolie> i think that's the full list?
[21:52]  * poolie looks in old minutes
[21:53] <poolie> our kanban is now at <http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html> and should be updated every 30m
[21:53] <poolie> were there other actions for me?
[21:53] <poolie> otherwise perahps we should look at hot bugs
[21:54] <barry> poolie: yes, let's look at bugs
[21:54] <barry> [TOPIC] hot bugs
[21:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  hot bugs
[21:54] <poolie> http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~mbp/kanban/canonical-bazaar-kanban.html
[21:54] <barry> poolie: the floor is yours
[21:55] <poolie> just looking over that board
[21:55] <poolie> one change in the last week is that vila landed a new controller infrastructure into the package importer, which is supposed to make it more reliable
[21:55] <poolie> it closed some bugs, anyhow
[21:56] <poolie> as of approximately today, we're moving the package importer to its new hardware, and making it sysadmin-maintained
[21:56] <poolie> jelmer is working on foreign branch bugs, and on infrastructure to allow testing them
[21:58] <barry> nice!
[21:58] <poolie> are there any bugs people would like attention to?
[21:59] <barry> i don't remember the bug number, but the one about warning when branching a package that has import failures.
[22:00] <poolie> barry, <https://bugs.launchpad.net/udd/+bug/609187>, it's on the short list
[22:00] <poolie> thanks for the vote
[22:00] <barry> yep, thanks!
[22:01] <barry> anyone have anything else for bugs of interest?
[22:01] <poolie> ok, next item?
[22:01] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Any other business?
[22:01] <barry>
[22:01] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Any other business?
[22:02] <barry> going once...
[22:02] <poolie> for next time: we should schedule some uds sessions
[22:03] <barry> oh, i should mention: i did an intro to udd class on monday during ubuntu developer week.  it was very well received.  but 1h is not enough time to cover everything ;)
[22:03] <poolie> oh, great!
[22:03] <poolie> thanks for that
[22:03] <james_w> yeah, thanks
[22:03] <slangasek> I have a request I wanted to raise but I'm currently suffering contention, so I'll just file a bug against udd for now
[22:03] <barry> np
[22:03] <poolie> k
[22:04] <poolie> actually, can you give me an item to prepare for uds?
[22:04] <poolie> i think just something like a tutorial session and a planning session
[22:04] <poolie> jelmer and i will be there
[22:04] <barry> [action] poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds
[22:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds
[22:04] <barry> [action] poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[22:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  poolie to prepare udd sessions for uds-o
[22:04] <barry> excellent.  i'll be there too
[22:05] <barry> i guess the only other thing i have today is to remind folks that we won't have another meeting until 2011-03-23 because of pycon
[22:05] <poolie> oh, ok
[22:06] <barry> well, unless you want to chair it?
[22:06] <barry> (on the 16th)
[22:06] <poolie> i think the 23rd is fine
[22:06] <poolie> shall we then continue every 2nd week from then?
[22:06] <barry> yep
[22:06] <barry> poolie: i think you are the keeper of the google calendar.  can you update that?
[22:07] <jelmer> can I be added to the google calendar?
[22:08] <poolie> done and done
[22:08] <barry> poolie: awesome, thanks
[22:08] <barry> if there's nothing else for today...
[22:08] <barry> 5
[22:08] <barry> 4
[22:08] <barry> 3
[22:09] <barry> 2
[22:09] <barry> 1
[22:09] <barry> #endmeeting
[22:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:09.
[22:09] <poolie> have a good night everyone
[22:09] <barry> thanks everyone!  see you in atlanta, or in 3 weeks here
[22:10] <james_w> thanks
[22:10] <jelmer> g'night
[22:11] <barry> night


[00:12] <jrwren> wasn't sure if my inet was out or what. still not sure if it was comcast or battle.net :)
[00:12] <jrwren> i rmember powertools for XP had a virtual desktop thing
[00:19] <gamerchick02> yeah it did
[00:19] <gamerchick02> i dunno why they killed it. it's so damn useful. i use it on linux and on mac, and now on windows. i could use it forever at work
[00:21] <gamerchick02> i'm watching Murder She Wrote and they're using an old computer.
[00:22] <gamerchick02> sounds like a buckling spring keyboard
[00:38] <jrwren> vista killed it, cuz dwm works differently
[01:02] <brousch> cmaloney: You at PyOhio?
[01:41] <cmaloney> brousch: Just got here
[01:41] <cmaloney> was at a viewing around 3:30pm
[01:43] <brousch> We're in the lounge
[01:50] <cmaloney> Cool. PLanning on heading there in a bit
[02:03] <gamerchick02> nice. how's PyOhio so far?
[02:05] <brousch> Not yet started
[02:57] <gamerchick02> ok
[11:47] <cmaloney> Morning
[11:57] <_stink_> yo