[00:23] <JanCBorchardt> vish, is there already a bug, blueprint or similar poking stick for Launchpad to not send out mails to group members when the bug they are subscribed to through a project has been marked as invalid for it? (tl;dr hundredpapercuts ;)
[00:25] <JanCBorchardt> vish, darn, it’s always that I _really_ think about it only when I already sent the message.
[02:31] <ScottK> JanCBorchardt: Yes.
[02:31] <ScottK> #launchpad is a better channel for such a question though.
[10:03] <klattimer> hey, I'm having a problem with updates in maverick
[10:03] <klattimer> the ubuntu-desktop package wants to remove Xorg
[10:04] <lucidfox> o_O
[10:04] <klattimer> :/ thinking this is a little weird
[10:04] <lucidfox> Could you pastebin the exact output of apt-get?
[10:04] <klattimer> well, ubuntu-desktop wants to remove itself too for some reason
[10:04] <klattimer> lucidfox sure, I'm just updating everything else and doing some installs
[10:04] <klattimer> soon as I've done that I'll provide a paste of the stuff
[10:17] <klattimer> lucidfox: nevermind, on the command line the packages are being held back
[10:17] <klattimer> I was using synaptic to update while I was doing some installs
[10:57] <lucidfox> bug #541756 - OK to close this?
[10:57] <lucidfox> Monochrome icons are basically a feature of Ubuntu indicators, and Liferea uses the messaging indicator
[11:27] <vish> lucidfox: i'd suggest you wait for symbolic icons to land.. app cannot add icons for two different themes
[11:28] <vish> lucidfox: afaik, that would be in gnome3
[12:06] <Tiibiidii> hi, sorry if i ask this here, but it seems the ubuntu channel more closely related to unity
[12:06] <Tiibiidii> where should i report a unity bug?
[12:06] <Tiibiidii> here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity
[12:07] <Tiibiidii> or here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity
[12:07] <Tiibiidii> the first one is upstream, so it should be better
[12:07] <Tiibiidii> but it seems that only with the second one i can automatically upload my system's information with ubuntu-bug
[12:08] <Tiibiidii> upstream seems to have sligthly more bugs (so, it seems more used and more relevant)
[12:09] <Tiibiidii> downstream seems to have more new bugs... but this may be a symptom that the developers pay more attention to the upstream bug tracker
[12:25] <lucidfox> Tiibiidii> you can link the same bug to both locations
[12:25] <rye> hi all, is there anyone with Acer Aspire One with Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller ? unity does not really start now, (unity:2446): ClutterGLX-CRITICAL **: Unable to make the stage window 0x1a0004f the current GLX drawable - Mesa 7.9-devel implementation error: Bad renderbuffer format: 21 - am I the only lucky one now?
[12:26] <Tiibiidii> rye, njpatel said that the latest graphics updates in maverick wreak havoc with unity
[12:26] <Tiibiidii> (with intel graphics, that is)
[12:26] <Tiibiidii> i've also an intel card and i'm refraining to update
[12:26] <njpatel> yeah, for me it's with anything gl on intel
[12:26] <njpatel> on 945
[12:27] <njpatel> 965, compiz works okay, but clutter fails
[12:27] <Tiibiidii> he wrote that... uh, here he is :) ... hopefully friday it'll be fixed (if i remeber correctly)
[12:29] <Tiibiidii> lucidfox, you're right, but it's more manual work to do :D, and actually i'm not accustomed to link bug in more projects
[12:30] <Tiibiidii> until now i've almost only reported bugs to ubuntu, and tried helping with translation on other projects... but maybe it's time to get a little more experience with these things
[12:34] <rye> Tiibiidii, njpatel thanks for the info
[14:58] <klattimer> davidbarth, kenvandine are either of you aware of any memory leaks currently affecting libdbusmenu-glib?
[14:58] <klattimer> I think I've found some and want to avoid duplicates where possible
[14:59] <kenvandine> klattimer, i am not
[14:59] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[15:00] <tedg> klattimer, Hmm, okay.  I'm not aware of any.
[15:00] <kenvandine> tedg, your code never leaks, right?
[15:00] <klattimer> tedg: check out the valgrind log on https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/569273
[15:00] <tedg> kenvandine, Of course.  By design.  I just free memory randomly just in case ;)
[15:00] <klattimer> it really seems it's libdbusmenu-glib
[15:01] <tedg> klattimer, Yeah, so ayan has a small GTK program that creates and destroys menus and causes a leak in GTK...
[15:02] <tedg> Not that dbsumenu isn't at fault also :)
[15:02] <klattimer> tedg: ah, that was my second guess
[15:02] <tedg> But, I think that there more than one contributor there.
[15:02] <klattimer> yeah, there's lots of small ones in gtk
[15:02] <tedg> I think it's caused by the fact that no one creates and destroys menus as rapidly as gpm does with that patch.
[15:03] <klattimer> yeah, that's possibly one way to solve it
[15:03] <klattimer> the issue is that it updates frequently
[15:03] <klattimer> although I've heard some noise from your branches you have a signal for menu clicked now?
[15:03] <tedg> I was talking to hughsie a while back and he was saying it depends on the battery firmware how often it updates.
[15:03] <tedg> Which probably explains the variation of folks reporting things on the bug.
[15:04] <klattimer> yeah, that was a bit of a question up in the air
[15:04] <klattimer> so some people's battery goes like crazy updating the menu, others more leisurely but still gpm grows
[15:04] <klattimer> :/
[15:05] <klattimer> maybe we can fix the gpm patch by hooking up to your menu clicked signal, and only updating the menu then
[15:05] <klattimer> it would lessen the impact of the leak
[15:05] <tedg> Or I was thinking just having it update the label instead of rebuilding the whole menu.
[15:05] <tedg> It'd save dbus traffic as well.
[15:05] <klattimer> that's another option
[15:05] <klattimer> I'll look at doing it that way
[15:05] <tedg> The valgrind log is interesting.
[15:06] <tedg> I wonder if there's something of the wrong type so that hashtable isn't getting free'd.
[15:06] <tedg> In theory dbus-glib should do that... but I don't have a huge amount of faith in it.
[15:06] <klattimer> tedg: line number?
[15:06] <tedg> klattimer, The last entry in the valgrind log.  For properties_copy
[15:07] <tedg> It allocated a hashtable which get's passed to dbus-glib.
[15:07] <klattimer> yeah
[15:08] <tedg> No, I think that serialze_menu item has a leak of that hashtable....
[15:08] <tedg> Uhg.
[15:14] <davidbarth> klattimer: hi; thanks for checking that; do you think you could have a patch for maverick still?
[15:14] <klattimer> davidbarth: what's the deadline
[15:14] <davidbarth> ie, should i target that against the 10.10 milestone?
[15:14] <davidbarth> well, the hard FF is this thursday
[15:14] <klattimer> tomorrow?
[15:14] <davidbarth> yes
[15:14] <klattimer> OK, I'll do my best
[15:14] <davidbarth> if the leak is severe, it should be commitable after that, or if not, as an SRU or Natty
[15:15] <davidbarth> klattimer: cool, thanks for your help
[15:17] <klattimer> davidbarth: this is probably fixable now
[15:18] <klattimer> just looking at the code and in theory it's possible
[15:18] <klattimer> oh
[15:18] <klattimer> :/
[15:18] <klattimer> davidbarth: nope
[15:18] <klattimer> it's not fixable quickly
[15:18] <davidbarth> doh
[15:18] <davidbarth> what's the issue
[15:18] <klattimer> adding/removing devices requires a new menu to be created
[15:19] <klattimer> so it's not just a matter of when the battery level changes, change the menu item
[15:19] <klattimer> it all routes through the same portion of code for adding/removing and updating values
[15:19] <klattimer> so the proper fix is to try and fix the libdbusmenu-glib issues, and possibly an upstream bug on gtk
[15:19] <klattimer> davidbarth: bare in mind, the most major memory leaks are already fixed
[15:21] <davidbarth> klattimer: so it's a minor leak
[15:22] <klattimer> davidbarth: in theory it's only minor
[15:22] <davidbarth> klattimer: if a gpm triggers the leak every 10s, how long for it to eat 10M, 100M?
[15:22] <klattimer> 2Mb per hour is as high as I've seen it
[15:22] <davidbarth> so 48MB a day
[15:22] <klattimer> give or take
[15:22] <klattimer> but as tedg says, it's dependent on battery firmware
[15:22] <davidbarth> but for HW that is really verbose
[15:22] <davidbarth> right
[15:23] <klattimer> davidbarth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/569273 comment #53 has some details
[15:23] <davidbarth> makes sense for an SRU if that can't get into the release within the next 2 weeks (RC)
[15:24] <klattimer> maybe you want to reassign to libdbusmenu-glib for now?
[15:25] <tedg> klattimer, I think there's two bugs.
[15:25] <tedg> klattimer, The one there with the hashtable, but it's in a new function we only started using a lot in Maverick.
[15:25] <klattimer> tedg: in libdbusmenu and gtkmenu?
[15:26] <tedg> klattimer, I think the leak above it in the valgrind log is the same one that was in Lucid, which is the gtkmenu one.
[15:26] <tedg> klattimer, So Maverick made it worse, but it's still a problem :)
[15:26] <klattimer> has the gtkmenu bug been upstreamed yet?
[15:26] <klattimer> do you have details/ayan's test code?
[15:26] <tedg> klattimer, I believe that ayan hadn't found the leak 100% yet.  Just had a small program to exercise it.
[15:27] <klattimer> I could produce a decent valgrind log for upstream to gtk
[15:27] <tedg> I'm not sure where ayan is on that... but certainly helping out there would be good.
[15:29] <tedg> klattimer, Can you double check this for me?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ted/dbusmenu/hashtable_free/+merge/35540
[15:29] <klattimer> sure
[15:29] <tedg> It passes the test suite, so it must be perfect :)
[15:31] <klattimer> in serialize_menuitem
[15:31] <klattimer> tedg: it looks good to me
[15:32] <tedg> Cool.  Thanks klattimer!  One down :)
[15:32] <tedg> A million more memory leaks to go :)
[15:32] <klattimer> well, that'll probably solve the majority of the issue
[15:32] <klattimer> heh
[15:32] <klattimer> tracing memory leaks is sometimes like trying to walk on marbles
[15:34] <klattimer> tedg: the good thing about fixing in libdbusmenu is that we save memory in a lot of apps
[15:34] <klattimer> fixing in gtk would be better wins
[15:36] <tedg> Yup.  The more the code's used, the more each line counts.
[15:37] <tedg> Might be an interesting metric to calculate using something like Ohloh's DB.
[15:37]  * tedg needs interns
[15:40] <klattimer> heh
[15:41] <Paddy_NI> Will indicator-appmenu be available for lucid at all?
[15:42] <tedg> Paddy_NI, We have no plans to backport it, but someone could.  I believe their are packages in the Unity PPA, but I don't believe they're up-to-date.
[15:43] <tedg> there are....
[15:43] <Paddy_NI> Oh that would be nice
[15:43]  * tedg apparently offended mpt with his misuse of "there" :)
[15:43] <Paddy_NI> As far as I can see there will be no need for the gnome-globalmenu project
[15:46] <Paddy_NI> He another question, how much of the gnome global menu code did you use?
[15:46] <Paddy_NI> *hey
[15:50] <tedg> Paddy_NI, Not any, we have a different approach.  Mostly using DBus which they weren't.  So we talked to them to learn about the issues get ideas, but the code sadly wasn't useful.
[15:51] <klattimer> tedg: would be nice of have an "application" menu as part of appmenu
[15:51] <klattimer> i.e. the current application name
[15:51] <klattimer> sort of bold... with window manager functions ;)
[15:51] <klattimer> like a certain fruit company we all know and love
[15:52] <tedg> klattimer, Yeah, we were just focused on getting the menus out for now.  It'd be interesting to do something like that.
[15:52] <tedg> klattimer, Not sure.  It seems like it's a lot of duplication with the File menu in most Linux apps though.
[15:52] <klattimer> it's a massive improvement over globalmenu anyway
[15:53] <klattimer> well, file->quit never makes sense
[15:53] <tedg> The problem is changing applications just sucks.  I think we learned that with appindicators :)
[15:53] <klattimer> yeah, I can see the problems
[15:53] <klattimer> it's just not easy to say "look, this is a great api, and much better interaction, lets all switch"
[15:54] <klattimer> and get people on board that way
[15:55] <tedg> Yeah, unfortunately there's a perception problem we have there.  Where any Canonical project is "not upstream" so therefore people sadly avoid dependencies.  Hopefully that'll change over time :(
[15:56] <Paddy_NI> tedg, Well I for one look forward to trying indicator-appmenu and Unity
[15:57] <Paddy_NI> :)
[15:57] <Paddy_NI> from what I hear the dbus approach is much better
[15:57] <klattimer> Paddy_NI: it is and doesn't rely on deprecated gnome libs
[15:57] <klattimer> so it'll survive the gnome 3 turmoil
[15:57] <Paddy_NI> Excellent
[15:59] <Paddy_NI> Was getting QT applications to work with it very difficult?
[16:03] <tedg> agateau, ^
[16:03] <Paddy_NI> I was also wondering when application indicators land will the top panel in gnome be a little crowded on the netbook edition with the window controls and appmenu?
[16:04] <Paddy_NI> It is just I have not seen a screenshot of this as yet
[16:04] <agateau> Paddy_NI: we have a Qt implementation of dbusmenu and a Qt patch
[16:04] <tedg> Paddy_NI, It depends on how many applications you run :)
[16:53] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/627744
[16:53] <jcastro> is anyone available to look at this?
[16:56] <jcastro> klattimer: how's your c# these days?
[16:57] <klattimer> my c# is practically non existent atm
[16:57] <klattimer> haven't used it in 2years
[16:57] <jcastro> k, maybe sense has time
[16:57] <klattimer> but it's all code at the end of the day
[16:57] <klattimer> so if you're hardup assign it to me
[16:57] <jcastro> I'll assign for now but ask for help
[17:00] <klattimer> k
[17:00] <jcastro> heya vish
[17:05] <klattimer> jcastro: if it's any help, i cant reproduce the above bug
[17:05] <klattimer> worksforme
[17:05] <jcastro> it also worksforme
[17:07] <vish> jcastro: hey.
[17:09] <jcastro> vish: if any of your papercutter gang wants to look at #627744 then I won't complain. :D
[17:10] <vish> bug 627744
[17:10] <jcastro> kenvandine: how's your tomboy applet dropdown?
[17:12] <vish> jcastro: hehe , the gang got scattered after the UIF! ;)  but i think lucidfox likes those.. and sense is in hiding :D
[17:12]  * vish tries to find someone..
[17:12] <jcastro> cool, if I see them I'll ping them, but since you're on opposite time zones if you see them ... :)
[17:13] <vish> sure..
[17:56] <ronoc> Cimi: you there ?
[18:20] <Cimi> ronoc: yep
[18:20] <ronoc> hey Cimi, hows it going ?
[18:20] <Cimi> could be better but it's ok ;)
[18:20] <Cimi> thank you
[18:21] <ronoc> good stuff, this bug is annoying me -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/632774
[18:21] <Cimi> eheh
[18:21] <Cimi> me too
[18:21] <ronoc> its seems as if the bg colour for ambience is slightly off in contrast to what is use to draw the border of the menuitme
[18:22] <Cimi> the problem is that the GtkDrawinArea seems filled with bg[NORMAL]
[18:22] <ronoc> is that not correct ?
[18:22] <ronoc> should it not be ?
[18:22] <Cimi> I mean
[18:22] <Cimi> I would prefer to have it transparent
[18:22] <Cimi> bratsche: ?
[18:22] <ronoc> ahh its not a biggie
[18:23] <ronoc> i was just hoping to get a quick fix in for tonight
[18:23] <Cimi> maybe he has an idea
[18:23] <ronoc> i think bratsche is at lunch
[18:23] <ronoc> cool
[18:24] <ronoc> bratsche, can you ping me when you are back
[18:25] <ronoc> biab
[18:34] <bratsche> I'm back.
[18:34] <bratsche> ronoc, Cimi
[18:36] <bratsche> Cimi: We can't really fill anything with transparent until we land rgba.  But we need an idea of how to specify rgba colors in the theme, per-widget and per-state.
[18:38] <Cimi> bratsche: ok thank you
[18:38] <bratsche> Cimi: I haven't been following, but is there anything new theming-wise in git master that we should be aware of?
[18:38] <bratsche> Do you know?
[18:38] <Cimi> bratsche: maybe the css thing by carlos garnacho
[18:38] <Cimi> wait a second
[18:39] <bratsche> But has that landed?
[18:39] <Cimi> http://blogs.gnome.org/carlosg/2010/08/23/css-like-styling-for-gtk/
[18:39] <bratsche> Cimi: I updated my patch to add corner resize grips today, btw.
[18:40] <Cimi> cool
[18:40] <bratsche> Cimi: I'll pull down garnacho's branch and look at it.  Ideally I want to be able to specify an RGBA color to background-color or foreground-color properties in the CSS.
[18:40] <bratsche> If it doesn't support that, I'll just add it. :)
[18:47] <ronoc> bratsche, so will I park this bug for now ?
[18:48] <ronoc> i.e. can't be fixed until this rgba stuff lands
[18:49] <bratsche> Uhh.. that doesn't look like an RGBA issue.  That just looks like there are two slightly different colors being themed somewhere.
[18:49] <ronoc> yeah that is what I thought
[18:49] <bratsche> But I dunno.
[18:50] <ronoc> Cimi, ^
[18:50] <ronoc> would it be possible Cimi  that the bgnormal is slightly different in the theme compared against what is actually used to draw the border of the menu
[19:08] <Cimi> ronoc: bratsche simply, the menu background has a horizontal gradient :)
[19:08] <Cimi> it's not a flat bg[normal]
[19:08] <Cimi> while the gtkdrawingarea is a flat bg[NORMAL]
[19:08] <bratsche> Ah, makes sense.
[19:08] <ronoc> ah
[19:08]  * Cimi had to go, leaving irc on anyway
[19:08] <bratsche> No worries.
[21:05] <vish> kenvandine: tedg: seen Bug 636693 ? it has a patch..
[21:05] <kenvandine> i haven't
[21:07] <vish> seems like we are doing it twice there.. would be nice if someone commented on the patch
[21:08] <tedg> vish, No, looking.
[21:09] <vish> thx
[21:43] <Paddy_NI> Hey this is a little offtopic but have any of you read this or had to sign the agreement --> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/09/copyright-assignments-gone-wild-or-why.html
[22:22] <kklimonda> Paddy_NI: it's completely offtopi but I've read it :)
[22:23] <Paddy_NI> Perhaps canonical should rethink how they treat their contributors :)
[22:24] <kklimonda> I disagree but that's my humble opinion
[22:24] <kklimonda> sure, there is a question whether it's a valid copyright assignment at all as it isn't signed in any way.
[22:27] <kklimonda> I haven't had any objections to sign the agreement myself - but then I have a pragmatic view about things and what I care about is getting things fixed and not about who owns the code or what can he do in the future with it.
[23:29] <JanCBorchardt> vish, I actually just came online to ask: »WTF is up with the bug watch updater!?« :)
[23:29] <vish> JanCBorchardt: yeah.. they just turned them on.. :)
[23:30] <nigelb> JanCBorchardt: there was un update
[23:30] <nigelb> so, now it updates importance too
[23:30] <vish> JanCBorchardt: also , re: the lp unsubscribe , there is a bug about that , but no one seems to have reached a consensus how to handle it
[23:31] <JanCBorchardt> vish, nigelb: ah, thanks!
[23:31] <JanCBorchardt> vish, do you have a link?
[23:32] <vish> JanCBorchardt: not sure , but ask in #launchpad or try searching ;)
[23:34] <JanCBorchardt> vish, ok
[23:36] <vish> JanCBorchardt: oh , i havent forgotten the mail either.. :)
[23:38] <JanCBorchardt> vish, this looks like it: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/204980
[23:39] <vish> JanCBorchardt: yup , thats the one :)
[23:39] <devildante> vish, now that's five :p
[23:39] <vish> devildante: fail! ;p
[23:39] <devildante> argh
[23:39] <vish> devildante: this was already in the 3 ;)


[00:12] <phillw> I really do wish people would learn
[00:12] <phillw> !patience
[09:21] <desophos> hi everyone, i'm having some trouble with running Lubuntu in a virtualbox VM on a Windows 8.1 host.
[09:21] <desophos> after i install the guest additions, trying to mount a disk image gives me an error with "unknown filesystem type: ISO9660"
[09:22] <desophos> i can't figure out why i'm getting that error
[09:22] <desophos> i've been looking for hours
[09:24] <dendeze> in lubuntu skype wabcam does not work, when i put in terminal : LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype  then it works, how can i get it to work on stratup skype?
[09:25] <desophos> i also have some virtualbox problems related to the guest additions, not sure where to ask those though...
[09:26] <desophos> this is probably a bad time to ask, it's night time in the US
[09:58] <tomte> hi!
[09:59] <tomte> Just installed lubuntu on my old laptop and tried to get openoffice on there
[09:59] <tomte> but it seems there are either too many packages called openoffice or not enough
[10:00] <tomte> so, what is the correct way to install the latest openoffice?
[10:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> libre better
[10:07] <JohnDoe_71Rus> so 4.1.0 latest openoffice
[10:07] <tomte> I know about libreoffice, but in my case it isn't better
[10:08] <tomte> the extension I need isn't working and I would have to recreate 150 labels - takes just about 5min each...
[10:09] <tomte> I was just surprised that there is no ready made package
[10:09] <tomte> or maybe I need some more lines in my sources?
[10:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
[10:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://askubuntu.com/questions/471437/unable-to-install-apache-openoffice-4-1-on-ubuntu-14-04
[10:11] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=70100
[13:20] <thirtythousandmo> Hey guys. I'm using Lubuntu with the Netbook interface, but I can't find out how to add icons/shortcuts to the 'Desktop'. Any ideas?
[14:00] <thirtythousandmo> So no ideas on how to change icons/shortcuts in Lubuntu netbook mode?
[14:02] <silverlion> thirtythousandmo: i'm sorry, but no idea :( but you might want to try https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/ for more help ;
[14:11] <thirtythousandmo> hm..I don't have a facebook account..
[14:12] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: you dont add them to the netbook interface like that
[14:13] <thirtythousandmo> what do you mean? it's not possible?
[14:13] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: it doesnt have a "desktop".. thats the difference..if you want a traditional desktop to add icons to, use the normal LXDE
[14:13] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: its all open, so ,everything is "possible". but the interface you are using specifically compromises the desktop space
[14:14] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: you'll see "favorites" or some area or "tab" or page, or whatever you want to call it, where you can add whetever you like
[14:15] <thirtythousandmo> well...would be nice to use the interface AND choose what folders/programs I see at startup
[14:15] <thirtythousandmo> I dont see any favortites there
[14:15] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: its like a blown up menu, the netbook mode
[14:16] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: you can edit the menu as you please, but, its not necessarily easy.. in the normal desktop mode its quite easy to add desktop shortcuts and whatever else.. i think thats more in line with what you want by default
[14:17] <thirtythousandmo> oh i see...so it mirrors the menu?
[14:17] <thirtythousandmo> and the items in the menu, are they stored as shortcuts in folders?
[14:18] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: it becomes the menu..
[14:18] <thirtythousandmo> well the taskbar with the menu is still there
[14:19] <holstein> sure, and the tabs across the top
[14:21] <thirtythousandmo> well, ok thanks dude, you gave me the right hint
[14:21] <thirtythousandmo> would be cool to have a simple right click-> add there. And keyboard controls ;)
[14:22] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: there are many other interfaces that look like that
[14:22] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: the compromise for lxde is lightness.. lightweight vs features such as right click and manage..
[14:23] <thirtythousandmo> right click functions are not exaclty heavy ^^
[14:23] <thirtythousandmo> honestly it's more of 'they didnt think of it'
[14:23] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: in this case, its a compromise, friend.. you are welcome to add what you like
[14:24] <holstein> thirtythousandmo: you can file wishlist bugs upstream
[14:24] <thirtythousandmo> yeah, I'll do. and I'll check other interfaces out. thanks.
[16:11] <linguini> To answer my own question from yesterday, my problem was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1278569
[16:23] <Unit193> Yep, ibus is eveil all over.
[16:24] <phillw> linguini: I know that some work on iBus has been done, can you check that you have the latest version
[16:25] <linguini> phillw: Thanks; I worked around the issue by changing the key ibus steals
[16:25] <linguini> ibus is developed by a bunch of vim folks; they probably chose C-space to fight emacs folks like myself.
[16:26]  * linguini going to make super awesome app that steals the Esc key...
[16:27] <phillw> there was a workaround for the chromium issue at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1307648/comments/21 not sure if that would also help you.
[16:27] <phillw> linguini: he he
[16:37] <Meris2> When using the update manager from within lubuntu 13.10 64 bit I get an offer to upgrade to ubuntu 14.04 instead of lubuntu 14.04. I want to stay with lubuntu, can I go ahead without switching to ubuntu?
[16:37] <holstein> Meris2: you should be able to.. but, lubuntu *is* ubuntu... the update manager should be saying what it will update, you may want to glance at it.. and i would have backups regardless, and i personally always prefer a fresh install
[16:39] <ianorlin> also the package for upgrading is share between all flavors of ubuntu
[16:40] <ianorlin> otherwise each flavor would have to have there own versoin which duplicates effort for a one or few letters difference which I am not sure is teh best use of time
[16:50] <phillw> Meris2: as holstein and ianorlin say, it will always ubuntu, but will install whichever flavour of the family you have installed :)
[16:50] <phillw> *it will always say ubuntu*
[17:13] <lubuntu> hi!
[17:14] <ioanm> i'm installing lubuntu
[17:16] <Meris2> holstein, phillw, thank you!
[22:50] <robinhood2014> I just installed the Lubuntu Desktop and I'm trying to get to the Power Manager, but it always says "Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it now?" It keeps doing this whether I answer "Cancel" or "Run." What's going on here?
[22:51] <PinFloyd> in lubuntu 13.10 i had a similiar problem
[22:51] <PinFloyd> if you need only see the battery state exist a applet lxmenu
[22:55] <robinhood2014> I'm afraid I don't understand... especially since I'm running a desktop computer.
[22:57] <PinFloyd> that's message is a bug
[22:57] <PinFloyd> don't worry
[22:57] <robinhood2014> Why then won't it progress any further?
[23:00] <PinFloyd> but do you want get access to the power manager or do you want remove that message?
[23:00] <robinhood2014> I'd like to access the settings relating to putting the system to sleep, among other things.
[23:10] <robinhood2014> So what do I do to access Lubuntu's sleep settings?


[00:05] <asac> ok nsSystemPref::Init is called
[00:05] <asac> but the Gconf Init not
[00:05] <asac> so the component is at least a bit registered
[00:08] <asac> --- a/extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPrefLog.h
[00:08] <asac> +++ b/extensions/pref/system-pref/src/nsSystemPrefLog.h
[00:08] <asac> @@ -42,4 +42,4 @@ #include "prlog.h"
[00:08] <asac> extern PRLogModuleInfo *gSysPrefLog;
[00:08] <asac> -#define SYSPREF_LOG(args) PR_LOG(gSysPrefLog, PR_LOG_DEBUG, args)
[00:08] <asac> +#define SYSPREF_LOG(args) printf(args)
[00:08] <asac> do that to see something
[00:08] <asac> it doesn't work completely, but we are close :)
[00:15] <jimmy_> okok
[00:17] <Ubulette> great, i've gained subpixel in prism too, i'm happy
[00:17] <cheguevara> Ubulette, just installed your cairo and fontconfig :P
[00:18] <Ubulette> the rest is on the way
[00:18] <cheguevara> whats in the rest?
[00:18] <Ubulette> xulrunner 1.9 and firefox 3.0 using this new cairo
[00:19] <cheguevara> oh yeah duh
[00:19] <cheguevara> :P
[00:19] <cheguevara> nothing on getting back/forward icons on kde?
[00:19] <jimmy_> asac: i don't understand why in debug mode, it works, where in non-debug, the linking is screwed up badly
[00:21] <Ubulette> cheguevara, nope, not yet
[00:21] <cheguevara> kk cool :P
[00:21] <cheguevara> brb reboot
[00:26] <cheguevara> Ubulette, which fonts do you use
[00:27] <Ubulette> DejaVu
[00:27] <Ubulette> but here, it's not related.
[00:27] <Ubulette> all fonts should be improved (in ff3)
[00:28] <Ubulette> and in anything using xulrunner 1.9
[00:28] <cheguevara> shouldn't it affect system wise as well
[00:28] <cheguevara> since its fontconfig/cairo
[00:29] <Ubulette> there was already a sub pixel patch in system cairo.
[00:29] <cheguevara> ah
[00:29] <Ubulette> half broken according to cairo dev
[00:29] <cheguevara> heh
[00:29] <cheguevara> are you targeting the patches for hardy or is there a licensing thing
[00:30] <Ubulette> i want to propose that to hardy but i have no authority
[00:31] <cheguevara> i remember reading that those patches have MS patent issues
[00:31] <Ubulette> not this one as it comes from the guy who claimed just that
[00:32] <cheguevara> David Turner?
[00:32] <Ubulette> yes
[00:32] <cheguevara> yeah i remember his big post on freetype ml
[00:36] <asac> jimmy_: in non-debug mode everything gets hidden to optimize it further
[00:38] <Ubulette> asac, i have a seamonkey update. changes requested by persia. would you sponsor ?
[00:39] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/debdiff/seamonkey_1.1.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1--1.1.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[00:41] <Ubulette> asac, he said ~5 days ago "I think you've gotten enough review, and would do well to send it to the sponsors queue (as it's just an update)"
[01:17] <asac> so why wouldn't he sponsor?
[01:17] <asac> i mean everybody can sponsor reviewed packages ;)
[01:17] <asac> for instance bluekuja_ :) ?
[01:17] <asac> but i can do it
[01:18] <Ubulette> no idea
[01:20] <asac> do the other mozilla packages also need an update to point to versioned xGPLs?
[01:21] <Ubulette> i guess everything has to be updated, Standards-Version, Vcs, licences, etc.
[01:22] <asac> Ubulette: ok now that persia hasn't any comments, can you next approach geser for uploads?
[01:22] <asac> (reviews)
[01:23] <asac> not for seamonkey ... for your next MOTU things ;)
[01:24] <Ubulette> for each rlz, i asked a dozen times
[01:24] <asac> he?
[01:24] <Ubulette> not to him, to revu
[01:24] <Ubulette> well
[01:24] <Ubulette> to motu
[01:24] <asac> pushed
[01:25] <asac> Ubulette: the idea is that you bug the important guys a few times
[01:25] <Ubulette> how do I know who the important guy is ?
[01:25] <asac> then apply motu and they agree :) ... so you can just upload
[01:26] <asac> well ... those that are pretty active
[01:26] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~motu-council
[01:27] <Ubulette> do you mean i should apply to be motu now ?
[01:27] <asac> i don't think so
[01:27] <asac> but i don't know
[01:27] <asac> ask dholbach on monday
[01:30] <Ubulette> how come there're 76 motus and it's still painfully slow to get a review or a sponsorship?
[01:31] <asac> i think this is an interesting question
[01:31] <asac> and nobody probably looked closer for the real reasons
[01:31] <asac> the trivial answer is of course: "people have no time"
[01:32] <asac> + "contributors do whatever they are interested in"
[01:32] <asac> and they don't see the benefit of reviewing (e.g. they learn a lot)
[01:33] <asac> further you need packaging experience ... otherwise you will not know how to do X or Y
[01:35] <asac> if you have ideas how to gt more people doing sponsorship or reviews, let me know :)
[01:36] <cheguevara> require motus to do at least x number a week
[01:36] <Ubulette> no idea. i only know i've lost time begging for reviews, and lost most of my motivation in the process.
[01:36] <asac> cheguevara: x number what? reviews?
[01:37] <cheguevara> ye
[01:38] <asac> Ubulette: so what timeframe would you expect a review to be done?
[01:39] <Ubulette> 2 or 3 business days, top
[01:39] <asac> for review + sponsorship or for the first reply (which can be GO or NO)
[01:41] <Ubulette> once a package is updated
[01:51] <Ubulette> hmm, miro crashes on startup now
[01:54] <Ubulette> asac, is your python patch released ?
[01:57] <Ubulette> wtf ? it starts with LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/lib/firefox but crashes in /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b2/libxul.so  ??????
[01:58] <asac> what starts?
[01:58] <asac> i think hte new python uses xul ... yes.
[01:58] <Ubulette> miro
[01:59] <asac> yeah
[01:59] <asac> now you need mine :)
[01:59] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/2763/
[01:59] <asac> with the package from mt ?
[01:59] <asac> ppa
[01:59] <Ubulette> no,head
[01:59] <asac> please use ppa
[01:59] <asac> and use that for head
[02:00] <Ubulette> I can't sync my bot on random ppa
[02:01] <Ubulette> it's synced on hardy
[02:01] <asac> well ... then it will be broken for some time :)
[02:01] <Ubulette> I'll fork it, that's it. will not be the 1st time
[02:02] <asac> fork what?
[02:04] <Ubulette> = stop syncing on anything and let my bot package work. it's good at that
[02:24] <asac> jimmy_: finally, it works here
[02:25] <jimmy_> asac: you are awesome
[02:26] <asac> well it would have been more awesome if i hadn't hunted a problem that didn't exist
[02:26] <asac> i needed a full respin but didn't to safe time :)
[02:26] <asac> but the preferences are indeed not locked
[02:26] <asac> thats strange :)
[02:26] <asac> i mean it worked that way before as well
[02:27] <asac> ... but well, probablyits better now
[02:27] <jimmy_> what' do you mean it is not locked
[02:27] <jimmy_> you can change it in about:config?
[02:28] <asac> hmm ... it doesn't look locked ... lets see if it automatically sets it back to gconf
[02:30] <asac> yes the values are indeed not locked ... but they are bi-directional :)
[02:30] <asac> what i change in firefox is changed in gconf :)
[02:30] <asac> great
[02:30] <jimmy_> yes, they sync both ways
[02:30] <jimmy_> it's like that before
[02:30] <asac> i think locking should be done by general.config
[02:30] <asac> great
[02:30] <asac> ok
[02:30] <asac> let me clean things up and commit
[02:31] <jimmy_> cool
[02:31] <jimmy_> thanks for helping do all the trouble-shooting
[02:31] <jimmy_> i am still building mine :)
[02:32] <jimmy_> so on Monday, I'll work on the adding the zoom buttons
[02:47] <asac> ok thats good
[02:50] <jimmy_> asac: have a nice weekend, i'll talk to you next week, thanks a bunch
[02:50] <asac> ok i have pushed it
[02:50] <jimmy_> ok, cool
[02:50] <asac> http://www.moblin.org/repos/?p=projects/mobile-browser.git;a=commit;h=ee1c1f2f3f065709af08cb02555c1f2f05d8cdd6
[02:59] <jimmy_> allright
[02:59] <asac> ok bye
[02:59] <jimmy_> we owe you again :)
[03:00] <jimmy_> bye
[04:10] <cheguevara> Ubulette, just updated to your new xul and ff
[04:11] <Ubulette> any difference ?
[04:11] <cheguevara> sec
[04:12] <cheguevara> whoa not bad at all
[04:12] <Ubulette> cool
[04:14] <cheguevara> Ubulette, http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot3ht8.png
[04:14] <cheguevara> nice job
[04:14] <Ubulette> tell me if you see corrupted pages that were fine before. or if something else is broken (because of system cairo).
[04:14] <Ubulette> so far, i didn't
[04:14] <cheguevara> kk will do
[04:15] <Ubulette> i'll look into those damn icons another time.
[04:15] <Ubulette> it's 5am
[04:15] <Ubulette> :(
[04:15] <cheguevara> still 4 am here
[04:15] <cheguevara> lol
[04:15] <cheguevara> though its not much better
[04:15] <Ubulette> uk ?
[04:15] <cheguevara> yeah
[04:19] <Ubulette> ok, miro is working again. going to bed.
[04:19] <Ubulette> 'night
[04:20] <cheguevara> night
[12:55] <bluekuja> heya everyone
[12:55] <bluekuja> asac, Ubulette: :)
[12:56] <Ubulette> hi
[12:56] <bluekuja> how are you?
[12:59] <Ubulette> cold, you ?
[12:59] <Ubulette> it's freezing out here
[12:59] <bluekuja> same here
[12:59] <bluekuja> but anyway the sun is shining outside
[12:59] <bluekuja> Ubulette, any news?
[13:01] <Ubulette> not much. i have ff3 b2 working with subpixel lcd filter
[13:01] <bluekuja> Ubulette, and what about seamonkey?
[13:01] <bluekuja> Ubulette, was it fine at the end?
[13:01] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/
[13:02] <bluekuja> Ubulette, cool! two new revisions got uploaded
[13:02] <bluekuja> Ubulette, really great work
[13:03] <Ubulette> thx
[13:03] <bluekuja> Ubulette, reading backlogs, is there a new revision to push?
[13:04] <Ubulette> no, asac did it yesterday
[13:04] <Ubulette> but thx to ask :)
[13:04] <bluekuja> np, feel free to ask if a new revision is needed
[13:04] <bluekuja> and remember that a new revision it's not NEW
[13:04] <bluekuja> so it won't take ages anyway
[13:05] <Ubulette> yep, i know the difference
[13:06] <bluekuja> so if you need something, and asac is overloaded
[13:06] <bluekuja> send me a mail
[13:06] <bluekuja> gonna catch it up and review/upload it
[23:58] <Ubulette> [reed], what are all those crashtest commits for ? descriptions seem like childish spam to me


[01:18] <RubenAlonzo> hello everyone
[01:20] <RubenAlonzo> what is the latest build of touch?  is anyone running it on a nexus 7?
[01:22] <RubenAlonzo> hello?
[01:28] <XXX> hello
[01:28] <XXX> hello
[04:54] <MissValeska_> hiya
[04:58] <X-Droid> Hi everybody
[04:58] <X-Droid> ..
[04:58] <X-Droid> Note II (N7100) can install ubuntu phone ?
[05:22] <MissValeska_> hi
[05:39] <MissValeska_> Someone, Please help me
[05:45] <k1l> !ask | MissValeska_
[05:48] <MissValeska_> 've waited like, Four or five hours! The Ubuntu 13.04 upgrade is not worknig
[05:48] <MissValeska_> It has stalled at about half way, It just says installed cabextract
[05:48] <k1l> do you use ubuntu-touch on a mobile device?
[05:54] <MissValeska_> No, I do wanna try that though
[05:56] <k1l> so you were talking about teamviewer on #ubuntu. i think you did some ubuntu chroot install on an arm device?
[05:57] <MissValeska_> Huh?
[05:58] <k1l> MissValeska_: give more details
[06:00] <MissValeska_> I am on my macbook
[06:00] <MissValeska_> I am upgrading from Ubuntu 12.10 to 13.04
[06:01] <MissValeska_> The upgrade went fine, Up until about half way, Where it just stopped. No error message, And it is no frozen. Nothing is happening, It just says installed cabextract
[06:01] <MissValeska_> I asked over five hours ago for help in #Ubuntu, They arrogantly told me to just wait. I did, And now, I ask for help again, And no one is even replying.
[06:04] <k1l> MissValeska_: ok, but this is the wrong channel. this channel is about the mobile ubuntu-touch. this is not for regular ubuntu desktop installs. better ask again in #ubuntu and give full details (as happened here)
[06:05] <MissValeska_> *sigh* Okay
[06:05] <MissValeska_> As long as I am here, I might as well ask about the general state of the Ubuntu Phone OS.
[06:29] <dholbach> good morning
[07:01] <Saintextreme> So who has developed any good apps?
[07:17] <mzanetti_> hey. I'm having troubles installing phablet-tools
[07:18] <mzanetti_> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu/pool/main/p/phablet-tools/phablet-tools_0.12daily13.04.25ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1_all.deb  Size mismatch
[07:18] <mzanetti_> the same for all of you or is it just me?
[07:51] <ttoine> hello
[07:51] <ttoine> phablet-flash doesn't work, is it normal ?
[07:51] <ttoine> ttoine@ttoine-bonitasoft:~$ phablet-flash -b
[07:51] <ttoine> Device detected as maguro
[07:51] <ttoine> Download set to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current
[07:51] <ttoine> Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <ttoine> Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <ttoine> Latest build detection not supported... bailing
[08:12] <ttoine> hi again
[08:12] <ttoine> somebody knows why I have this message
[08:12] <ttoine> "Latest build detection not supported... bailing"
[08:24] <mzanetti> ttoine: try upgrading phablet-tools
[08:24] <mzanetti> ttoine: I just flashed 15 mins ago. works fine
[08:24] <ttoine> mzanetti, phablet was unable to find the image on cdimage
[08:25] <ttoine> but it seems to work again for 10min
[08:25] <mzanetti> ttoine: images 99 and 100 were broken. 101 is fine again and the broken ones were deleted
[08:25] <ttoine> ah ok, it explains all. thank you very much
[09:39] <ttoine> someone knows how to activate the simcard in the galaxynexus ?
[09:39] <ttoine> (maguro)
[09:48] <ogra_> ttoine, it only works with unlocked SIMs
[12:07] <ttoine> ogra_, unlocked sim ?? what is that ? my sim work in any telephone and the phone is not locked on any network
[12:13] <netcurli> ttoine: at the moment you need a sim card without a pin code
[12:14] <ttoine> netcurli, ah ok... so it means next time, before flashing to ubuntu phone, I will have to remove the pincode in android. true?
[12:15] <netcurli> ttoine: yes, then you should be able to use it in ubuntu touch
[12:45] <asczitaka> Porting question, would Ubuntu Touch work on a Samsung Galaxy Naos i5801
[12:45] <asczitaka> here the specs
[12:46] <asczitaka> original rom 512 mb, 256 MB RAM 1go  sd up to 32
[12:46] <asczitaka> cpu : Samsung S5P6422 667 MHz
[12:47] <asczitaka> it has Clockworkmanager and Cyanogenmod 10 with the latest Android firm
[13:46] <Casmo> If I were to install Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 4, and a new version would come out, and I flash that one, will all the files stay intact etc, or will it go back to a factory reset?
[13:47] <pmcgowan> Casmo: a reflash wipes the existing data, in some cases you can do an apt-get upgrade provided nothing incompatible introduced between the ubuntu and android sides
[13:48] <Casmo> Ah, that's too bad :\ Thanks :)
[13:58] <lenios> inaccessible
[14:10] <popey> dragly you around?
[14:10] <popey> design meeting
[15:18] <sil2100> didrocks, cyphermox: ok, so our issue should be fixed now
[15:18] <sil2100> didrocks, cyphermox: the issue with UTAH and autopilot on the generic jenkins job
[15:19] <nOStahl> hi guys
[15:19] <nOStahl> whats new
[15:19] <sil2100> Hi
[15:19] <cyphermox> ok
[15:19] <nOStahl> haven't been in this channel since it got renamed to #ubuntu-touch
[15:19] <didrocks> sil2100: the ssh issue?
[15:19] <didrocks> sil2100: or something else?
[15:19] <cyphermox> think we mean the ssh issue here, yeah
[15:20] <didrocks> sil2100: do you know what went wrong with UTAH?
[15:20] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, that one - it seems there has been some change in the installer or something
[15:20] <didrocks> ah ok
[15:20] <sil2100> didrocks: so they had to change some ubiquity related regexp
[15:20] <didrocks> sil2100: ok, great! Thanks a lot ;)
[15:21] <nOStahl> any word on when we'll see ubuntu on phones in stores
[15:21] <Kakadu> hey, I just installed facebook-app from ppa and it can't resolve "import Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts 0.1". What I have forgotten?
[15:35] <pmcgowan> mardy: do you know what package gives import Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts 0.1
[15:36] <mardy> pmcgowan: qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin
[15:38] <sil2100> I see now that ubuntu-facebook-app doesn't dep on qtdeclarative5-accounts-plugin, so maybe that needs fixing
[15:38] <pmcgowan> Kakadu: ^^ that should be a dep for the facebook app
[15:38] <pmcgowan> doh
[15:38] <pmcgowan> ;)
[15:41] <cyphermox> nice catch
[15:43] <Kakadu> pmcgowan: qtdeclarative5-friends-plugin seems to be needed too
[15:44] <pmcgowan> ack
[15:46] <Kakadu> also AuthModel.qml uses auth.js but this script is missing in /usr/share/ubuntu-facebook-app
[15:49] <Kakadu> and ubuntu-twitter-app is just default template from qtcreator with two pages?
[15:50] <Kakadu> hmmm, guys
[15:50] <Kakadu> What deadline do u have about all of this?
[15:50] <pmcgowan> no one working on it
[15:50] <pmcgowan> I think Twitter got dropped per Twitter;s request
[15:51] <Kakadu> maybe
[15:51] <Kakadu> facebook not yet dropped?
[15:52] <pmcgowan> no facebook is fine
[15:52] <pmcgowan> popey: would know better
[15:54] <chris123> I got "Validatind download for raring-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip Not enough space in /data, found 3.8G"
[15:54] <chris123> after phablet-flash
[15:55] <pmcgowan> chris123: try deleting the zip files on /sdcard/
[15:55] <pmcgowan> chris123: tool looks for at least 4GB
[15:55] <chris123> on the phone?
[15:55] <pmcgowan> yes
[15:55] <chris123> ok, thx
[15:55] <chris123> i thought only 2gb was required
[15:56] <pmcgowan> once installed, but uses more during
[15:56] <pmcgowan> I guess
[15:57] <Kakadu> also, ubuntu-weather-app prints "no locations" and "Add one" text is unclickable. Does it work as expected?
[15:58] <ogra_> Kakadu, deadline is "first functional image by 13.10"
[15:59] <ogra_> i.e. "out of developer preview status"
[16:00] <Kakadu> So you need to create developer preview until October? (I didn't got this english)
[16:00] <ogra_> what we have now is called developer preview
[16:00] <Kakadu> aaah
[16:01] <ogra_> so by 13.10 you should be able to install a usable image with the core apps included and functional on your nexus device
[16:02] <popey> correct pmcgowan fb is fine. only twitter was dropped
[16:03] <chris123> silly question, where is /scdard ?  i looked in /mnt /media and root, but don't see it.
[16:04] <t1mp_> Kakadu: I had the same problem with the weather app. But if you swipe up from the bottom of the window, there is a toolbar with an add-button :)
[16:04] <ogra_> on your devices ?
[16:04] <pmcgowan> chris123: you need to do...
[16:04] <ogra_> chris123, ^^^
[16:04] <pmcgowan> adb shell rm /sdcard/zipfile
[16:05] <Kakadu> t1mp_: thanks)
[16:05] <pmcgowan> chris123:  do adb shell ls /sdcard/ to see the files
[16:05] <pmcgowan> then delete the install zips
[16:07] <chris123> oh, i was trying via SSH, and didnt see the directory
[16:07] <chris123> oh... i get it now
[16:07] <pmcgowan> cool
[16:07] <chris123> ssh puts you into /sdcard/
[16:07] <chris123> oh, no, wait... it doesnt?
[16:08] <chris123> either way, i am good with adb.  thanks!
[16:10] <pmcgowan> chris123:  ssh brings you into the ubuntu file system in the phablet account, which you could see at /data/ubuntu/home/phablet
[16:11] <sil2100> mterry: ping
[16:12] <chris123> thanks again
[16:26] <bobweaver> jppiiroi1en,  or bzoltan  you around ?  just wondering if you had a chance to look at the qhp and qch files that I uploaded ?
[16:27] <bzoltan> bobweaver: Yes, I have checked it
[16:28] <bzoltan> bobweaver: Good stuff
[16:28] <bzoltan> bobweaver: Tell me more
[16:30] <bobweaver> it uses the docs from ubuntu-ui-toolkit (offline) I had to alter the css and write the qhp file
[16:31] <bobweaver> so use qdoc3 then qhelpgenerator
[16:31] <bobweaver> is what I did though I guess that I could have uses doxygen but it was first offline help so I did by hand the qhp file that is
[16:36] <bzoltan> bobweaver: why did not you use the Qt5's qtdoc?
[16:36] <bobweaver> so if one is to apt-get source ubuntu-ui-toolkit ; cd /ubuntu-ui-toolkit-0.1.44~precise1/documentation/ ; qdoc ubuntu-ui-toolkit-offline.qdocconf ;  cd html ;  bzr branch lp:~josephjamesmills/+junk/qch ; cd qch ; cp  ubuntusdk-help.qhp ../; cd ../ ; qhelpgenerator ubuntusdk-help.qhp -o ubuntu-ui-toolkit-help.qch ;      then just add that qch file to the help section of qtcreators options
[16:37] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  because that is the only way that I kbow how to make offline help pages
[16:38] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  I am asking because I do not use Qt4 dev tools. Should it work with Qt5 tools the same way?
[16:39] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-facebook-app/add_missing_deps/+merge/161189 <- for the missing deps of the facebook app
[16:39] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  not sure I just followed the manual that is in qtcreator
[16:40] <bobweaver> this is what I got (after altering css also )
[16:40] <bobweaver> http://imagebin.org/255501
[16:40] <sil2100> mhall119: ^
[16:41] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  Yes, it looks good
[16:41] <sil2100> sergiusens: ping
[16:43] <bzoltan> sil2100:  did you know that QtCreator + Ubuntu plugins would automatically fix the dependencies in the debian/control ? :)
[16:43] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  I was figuring that one could write a simple bash or whatever into ubuntu-ui-toolkit to generate new ones say when ever but I don't know about all that. just merdge the qhp file to ubuntu-ui-toolkit. But the Css us real messy
[16:44] <sil2100> bzoltan: nope, good to know ;) Since currently it's broken, so I decided to fix it ;)
[16:44] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  a differ3ent question that I have for you is. Should I make tutorial examples like qt has on welcomescreen
[16:44] <sergiusens> sil2100: pong
[16:45] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  so help pages pop up with code examples. for say Tabs and Page ect
[16:45] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  What I want is to add this file to the QtC package. How the QtC package is done now is simple... a builder scripts fetches the upstream QtC, and creates the Ubuntu plugin as a patch... after the new QtC is dput to the LP.  This builder could fetch the toolkit source and build the help
[16:46] <bzoltan>  sil2100:  good idea... I occasionally send MRs to core apps too
[16:46] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  Yup , what do you think about getting css fixed though
[16:46] <bzoltan> bobweaver: what is the diff?
[16:46] <bobweaver> that is the only thing that I hand alter
[16:46] <bobweaver> I will make diff now
[16:47] <sil2100> sergiusens: hi! hm, do you know by any chance where the source for the phablet-autopilot is being stored in bzr?
[16:49] <bzoltan> bobweaver: You can branch the UI Toolkit and send an MR to me if that is more convenient.
[16:56] <mterry> sil2100, heyo
[16:56] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  I will make brnch patch if you like ? here is css patch files https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/css_patches
[16:57] <achiang> sergiusens: next time you touch phablet-flash... typo fix? "Validatind download for ..."
[16:57] <bobweaver> it is ugly hack :/ on css but makes it look nice I mean there is no !IMPORANT things going on but alot is commented out ect
[16:57] <bzoltan>  bobweaver:  usually we do it with MRs
[16:57] <achiang> sergiusens: (not worth making a separate MP for but in the process of something else...)
[16:57] <sergiusens> achiang: already have an MR for that :-)
[16:57] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  I dont know what that is
[16:58] <sergiusens> achiang: with a download optimizations
[16:58] <achiang> sergiusens: heh, ok. could you also remove the extra print for "alternate settings" ? that was a debug print that i forgot to remove
[16:58] <bobweaver> bzoltan JBH but i learn quick. i think *oO
[16:58] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  you bzr branch the project, do your changes, bzr commit and bzr push to lp:~josephjamesmills/project_name/your_branch and then just propose it for merging...
[16:59] <sergiusens> achiang: yeah... going to have a cleanup session while flying :-)
[16:59] <sergiusens> achiang: and add modularity for some tests
[16:59] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  like bzr propus-merdge ?
[16:59] <ogra_> bobweaver, MR is short for "merge request"
[16:59] <bobweaver> but speeled right
[16:59] <achiang> sergiusens: nice. when do you leave?
[16:59] <sil2100> sergiusens: ^ :)
[16:59] <ogra_> silly abbreviation usage all around here :)
[16:59] <bzoltan> bobweaver: What I am more interested thou is how to make this help work context sensitive way ... so I move my cursor to MainView, hit F1 and the relevant page shows
[17:00] <bobweaver> thanks ogra_  ! bzoltan  I can do that if you like but there is bin in package (the qch file )
[17:00] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  I have to add more filters
[17:00] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  Well.. that will not pass :) for sure
[17:00] <bobweaver> and #Tabs at end
[17:01] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  you are talking about for the contexual menu right ie on hover in edit mode ?
[17:01] <bobweaver> f1
[17:01] <bzoltan> yes
[17:01] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  yeah I just need to make more filters and hash tags
[17:02] <bobweaver> so that the QHelpEngine knows wtef is going on
[17:03] <bzoltan> bobweaver: Exactly ... that feature is on my list. With fairly high priority
[17:03] <bobweaver> ok
[17:03] <bobweaver> should be
[17:04] <bobweaver> should I also add unity friends browser Hud ect
[17:04] <bobweaver> everything form the api's ?
[17:04] <bobweaver> and qt ref's to qml plugins ?
[17:05] <bobweaver> doxygen ^^
[17:06] <bobweaver> I will make example of html for you to look at
[17:09] <sergiusens> sil2100: autopilot/private
[17:10] <sil2100> sergiusens: awesome, thanks!
[17:10] <sergiusens> sil2100: it's not a series though ;-)
[17:11] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  here you go like the class and file examples https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/class_docs_example
[17:12] <bobweaver> should I also add them ?
[17:14] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  here is a pic of all that for I18n class http://imagebin.org/255507
[17:16] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  to be honest :) I am way too geek to get excited about design stuff. Usually  I work with design professionals who make sure that my stuff looks pretty.
[17:16] <bobweaver> +1
[17:16] <bzoltan> bobweaver:  so css tweaks are cool, but they are not on my list right now.
[17:16] <bobweaver> << horrible designer
[17:17] <bzoltan> bobweaver:   making things look pretty is a tough job, I trust the folks who are good at it :)
[17:18] <bzoltan> bobweaver:   so for me the priority with the docs is to make the UI Toolkit docs available in the QtCreator as help and make this help to work in a context sensitive way in the edit mode.
[17:19] <bobweaver> yup that is why I only change some of th css (like so words would not run together and one can read it )
[17:19] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  do you say that qml should come 1st ? just for sdk plugin ?
[17:19] <bobweaver> then c++ classes and hud and browser and friends plugins
[17:20] <bobweaver> do all qml docs 1st then work on c++ docs after ?
[17:20] <bzoltan> bobweaver: Since the UI Toolkit is in a fairly mature stage and it has very good documentation... yes, I would start with that
[17:21] <bobweaver> just trying to get a work load so I do not bother people for days. and I will also have something to do for days off
[17:22] <bobweaver> bzoltan,  the qhp file is also easy to edit. So updating package would not be hard Just not sure about shipping compressed help files (qch)
[17:23] <bobweaver> might have to be different package for watch file not sure kinda lost on that
[17:25] <Kakadu> Guys, where can I find data for resolving "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" module? ubuntu-sdk?
[17:26] <bzoltan> bobweaver: the packaging and distribution is not something I worked out ... I think that the UI Toolkit could provide a QtC help package what installs nicely under the QtC
[17:26]  * Kakadu is trying to run this apps without ubuntu
[17:28] <Kommodant> Hello
[18:02] <msvb> Anyone here written games for Ubuntu touch in HTML5 using the Yoyogames Studio or game engine?
[18:08] <Kakadu> So, about facebook app: 1. You should add auth.js to deb (it is probably forgotten)
[18:09] <Kakadu> 2. Is it normal that facebook-app from bzr gives me 'file:///home/kakadu/ubuntu-facebook-app/LoginPopup.qml:64: ReferenceError: accountService is not defined'
[18:09] <Kakadu> ?
[18:28] <tech4> Hello
[18:29] <tech4> I am trying to install on a Nexus 7 and it sits at waiting for device.
[18:29] <tech4> I can see that there is usb activity, wondering how long to ait before I give up.
[18:30] <tech4> Is it a long or short process?
[18:30] <pmcgowan> its pushing files to the nexus7 now?
[18:31] <tech4> The terminal window is at < waiting for device > and the cursor is on the next line blinking.
[18:33] <tech4> I am not sure if it is writing to it.  I ran through to the auto deploy and asked for the sudo password and told me it had to be unlocked to work
[18:33] <tech4> I entered my password and got < waiting for device >. What state does the Nexus need to be in?
[18:34] <tech4> Right now it is on the on and on the Desktop in Androind. Should be in booloader?
[18:35] <ZDmitry> tech4: I suggest your device is not recognized by adb. Try to reconnect device.
[18:35] <pmcgowan> tech4: are you following the instructions on the wiki?
[18:35] <tech4> Yes but I am sure I missed somethng
[18:37] <tech4> Just checking does it need to be on the home screen on the Nexus 7?
[18:37] <pmcgowan> tech4: it can be running android
[18:37] <pmcgowan> can you see it with adb devices
[18:39] <tech4> yes
[18:39] <tech4> I think I see what I did..
[18:39] <tech4> I am not sure I the debugger is setting are done
[18:40] <tech4> I didn't tap the build number 7 times to be developer
[18:41] <tech4> now it is pushing.
[18:41] <tech4> just needed to talk it out
[18:41] <pmcgowan> ah good
[18:54] <Minste> I´m having problems with todays build. Closing apps won't work, and Gallery app won't even open, just gives me a black screen. ???
[19:02] <pantza> Hi Guys, I am trying to install ubunto-touch on my nexus 7 - i get an error,that adbd cant work as root on a production build
[19:02] <pantza> is there someting i could do? the device is unlocked
[19:03] <pmcgowan> Minste: there are issues with todays build, should ahve them resolved by end of the day
[19:03] <mhall119> kenvandine: with the raring device images, do I need the super-friends PPA?
[19:03] <pmcgowan> Minste: can close apps from the running apps lens now
[19:04] <mhall119> pmcgowan: does the daily image use the latest unity-next?
[19:04] <Minste> pmcqowan: okay :) Thanks for information :)
[19:05] <pmcgowan> mhall119: thats whats in process
[19:05] <kenvandine> mhall119, no you don't
[19:05] <pmcgowan> pantza: maybe not in developer mode
[19:06] <pmcgowan> pantza: enable usb debugging?
[19:06] <kenvandine> mhall119, btw, there is a qml-friends-doc package in daily-build-next PPA
[19:06] <kenvandine> mhall119, can you look at getting that up on d.u.c?
[19:06] <mhall119> kenvandine: absolutely, thanks for making it
[19:06] <pantza> pmcgowan:  i think so, but i'll check -thx
[19:06] <kenvandine> or maybe for "13.04" docs i should put it in a 13.04 ppa
[19:07] <kenvandine> mhall119, so you don't start getting 13.10 docs next week :)
[19:07] <kenvandine> when i start bumping the API version :)
[19:07] <mhall119> kenvandine: yeah, I need to copy over all the 12.10 docs to 13.04
[19:08] <kenvandine> so it doesn't automatically update on d.u.c?
[19:08] <pantza> pmcgowan: debugging mode is active
[19:08] <kenvandine> if you grab what is there now then i start breaking the API in that ppa, it won't affect the docs you copied for d.u.c?
[19:09] <ogra_> pantza, kill adb on your PC ... it should work the second time (this is described in detail on the install wiki page)
[19:11] <mhall119> hmmmm, HUD doesn't work in the latest image
[19:11] <mhall119> kenvandine: no auto-updates yet, no
[19:12] <kenvandine> great
[19:12] <kenvandine> so snag what's there for 13.04 then :)
[19:12] <kenvandine> mhall119, i almost got docs for accounts-qml-module
[19:12] <mhall119> kenvandine: that's in the ppa or in raring's archives?
[19:13] <kenvandine> in raring
[19:13] <kenvandine> but the -doc packages will be in the ppa
[19:13] <pantza> ogra_:  i did this - same problem. the nexus is automounted - could this be the problem?
[19:13] <kenvandine> i've got the docs all updated for the accounts bindings but the package doesn't want to install them... it might have just been a case of me working on them at 2am :)
[19:14] <ogra_> pantza, oh, indeed it could
[19:14] <pmcgowan> it shouldnt automount in debug mode ?
[19:14] <ogra_> mtp ?
[19:14] <pantza> yes
[19:15] <ogra_> right, we have a bug open for that
[19:15] <pmcgowan> right, it still has android
[19:15] <mhall119> pmcgowan: is there a know HUD issue with the raring images?
[19:15] <pmcgowan> there sure is, its totally busted
[19:15] <mhall119> ok, not just me then :)
[19:15] <tech4> OK.. I got it on the nexus 7. How do I bring up the on screen keyboard?
[19:16] <mhall119> tech4: it'll come up whenever a text field has focus
[19:16] <pmcgowan> tech4: just touch any text field
[19:16] <pmcgowan> like go to netowkring and get on your netowrk
[19:17] <ogra_> bug 1160847
[19:17] <ogra_> i guess it is related somehow (not the same though)
[19:17] <pmcgowan> for me it tries once and gives up
[19:17] <pmcgowan> on raring
[19:17] <tech4> So, I am trying to enter the Wireless password, I get the cursor in the box but noon screen keyboard...
[19:18] <pantza> thx a lot!
[19:18] <pmcgowan> tech4: I hate to say this but try rebooting once, there is a bug on a race for that
[19:19] <pmcgowan> you can also try in the mssages pulldown
[19:23] <mhall119> bugger, my InverseMouseArea bug is still there in the raring images
[19:26] <Kakadu> That's a pity! I tryed Ubuntu 13.04 and touch apps worked but Xserver was ugly and unity3d was very slow. Now I have installed guest additions from raring repo and Unity is very smooth, but QML apps like facebook one crashes VirtualBox without any descriptive logs.....
[19:26] <Kakadu> Maybe there are any docs about develoing ubuntu-touch apps under debian?
[19:26] <ogra_> nope
[19:27] <ogra_> time to write some ! :)
[19:28] <Kakadu> :)
[19:36] <Guest63812> tech4, you need to reboot device
[19:36] <Guest63812> and after you can access keyboard for wifi password
[19:44] <sergiusens> mhall119: if you update&&upgrade the hud thing will be solved
[19:44] <sergiusens> mhall119: new image coming as soon as the indicator-messages stuff works again
[19:47] <mhall119> sergiusens: cool, thanks
[19:47] <mhall119> having a terminal on my tablet now, means I can do that without plugging it in, this makes me unreasonably happy :)
[19:50] <kenvandine> mhall119, awesome, is the terminal in a ppa?
[19:50] <mhall119> kenvandine: it should be getting into the core apps PPA
[19:51]  * kenvandine looks forward to that :)
[19:51] <mhall119> I need to get the terminal widget plugin in there too
[19:51] <kenvandine> mhall119, are you running the latest raring image?
[19:51] <kenvandine> mhall119, if so, have you tried uoa-create with that?
[19:52] <mhall119> kenvandine: yes, but no
[19:52] <mhall119> just flashed it a bit afo
[19:52] <kenvandine> it worked for me with an apt-get upgrade
[19:52] <kenvandine> flashing now, but curious to know if i really fixed the issues :)
[19:53] <kenvandine> mhall119, you mean that isn't the first thing you do after flashing?  maybe i am the only one :-D
[19:54] <mhall119> sergiusens: will I be able to keep just update/upgrade-ing, or will regular flashes be better?
[19:54] <mhall119> kenvandine: I think you are :)
[19:54] <mhall119> first thing I do is install games
[19:54] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:55] <mhall119> man, I can't use Android anymore
[19:55] <mhall119> I keep swiping from the edges and nothing happens :(
[19:58] <sergiusens> mhall119: so these days, apt-get upgrade may be safe
[19:58] <sergiusens> mhall119: when hybris and platform-api change you will surely need a new android side
[19:58]  * mhall119 is so tempted to put "apt-get upgrade may be safe" on the quotes page
[19:59] <sergiusens> lol
[20:00] <sergiusens> you may not get improvements on the android side, but they aren't breaking features as of late
[20:02] <kenvandine> mhall119, do it!
[20:07] <p6644> When do you think that galaxy s4 will be ported to?. (planning for my next phone...)
[20:07] <achiang> sergiusens: if i just do a plain old phablet-flash on my maguro, will it automatically go from quantal => raring?
[20:11] <sergiusens> achiang: yes
[20:12] <achiang> sergiusens: rad. thanks.
[20:12] <sergiusens> achiang: just make sure you have latest tools or you will get an unsupported format error blah blah
[20:12] <achiang> sergiusens: yup, just pulled them this AM
[20:13] <mhall119> anybody around for the youtube meeting?
[20:35] <achiang> sergiusens: hm, i flashed and now my maguro won't boot
[20:36] <achiang> sergiusens: and... just as i pinged you, another reboot fixed it
[20:54] <cyphermox> sergiusens: hey
[20:55] <cyphermox> sergiusens: turns out I tried to ship about a thousand or so of my contacts on the nexus 4... it's not overly happy with it
[21:02] <mhall119> fginther: ping
[21:02] <sergiusens> cyphermox: ship?
[21:03] <cyphermox> sergiusens: import into EDS
[21:03] <cyphermox> push
[21:03] <cyphermox> I mean, whatever :)
[21:03] <sergiusens> cyphermox: with the online accounts thing you mean? I don't use it as there's sort of a shell limitation on amount
[21:03] <cyphermox> interesting
[21:03] <cyphermox> well, with 1000 contacts it's slow, and you absolutely must search
[21:04] <cyphermox> there's not way to quickly scroll to somewhere
[21:07] <fginther> mhall119, pong
[21:07] <shadeslayer> ogra_: sigh, I was hoping to get X working with the Xorg.conf from ChromeOS
[21:07] <shadeslayer> didn't work :(
[21:08] <ogra_> i still think there is something missing in your kernel
[21:08] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ogra_: there's DRM, I haven't enabled that
[21:09] <shadeslayer> would that make a difference?
[21:09] <mhall119> fginther: have I already asked you about getting https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin auto-building in the core apps PPA?
[21:09] <mhall119> if I haven't, can we set that up?
[21:10] <ogra_> shadeslayer, well, worth a try at least
[21:10] <fginther> mhall119, hmm, it's already setup
[21:10] <fginther> mhall119, let me look into why it's not working
[21:12] <mhall119> thanks
[21:13] <fginther> mhall119, there are no branches to merge
[21:13] <shadeslayer> ogra_: do you know if anyone would have an idea as to what's missing?
[21:13] <shadeslayer> even a hint :)
[21:13] <fginther> mhall119, at least not where I'm looking
[21:13] <ogra_> only the guys in #ubuntu-x come to mind, but its a bad time for them probably
[21:13] <mhall119> fginther: no MPs, but there's code in the series development branch, can that be triggered to build and upload to the PPA?
[21:13] <shadeslayer> oh?
[21:13] <rsalveti> shadeslayer: what x11 driver are you using?
[21:13] <fginther> mhall119, ahhhhh
[21:14] <rsalveti> I know by default the fb devices at android are kind of broken
[21:14] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: it's using fbdev
[21:14] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:14] <fginther> mhall119, yep that can be done
[21:14] <rsalveti> because of the way it uses surfaceflinger
[21:14] <rsalveti> try writing directly to your framebuffer
[21:14] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: actually, I'm trying to get X up, so, surfaceflinger?
[21:14] <rsalveti> you'll probably not get any noise
[21:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:14] <shadeslayer> you mean I should try directly writing to /dev/fb0?
[21:14] <rsalveti> if so, it might explain with fbdev is not working
[21:14] <fginther> mhall119, sorry, I was expecting a MP to be ready to land to kick all of that off
[21:14] <rsalveti> shadeslayer: just to test, yes
[21:15] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:15] <rsalveti> some devices are using drm based drivers
[21:15] <rsalveti> then xserver-xorg-video-modesetting might behave better
[21:15] <shadeslayer> will try
[21:16] <shadeslayer> oh fun, I enable fbcon and it just goes kaput
[21:16] <shadeslayer> doesn't even boot
[21:17] <ogra_> welcome to last week :P
[21:17] <ogra_> (we were there already iirc)
[21:17] <shadeslayer> yeah, but I thought it was booting
[21:18] <shadeslayer> but now that I have adb up, once I enable fbcon, it doesn't even boot and start adb
[21:18] <shadeslayer> so fbcon is a big no no :)
[21:18] <ogra_> i guess drm will actually help
[21:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, disabling fbcon and just enabling drm
[21:19] <ogra_> might even make xfbdev work ... i have seen weirder things already :)
[21:20] <shadeslayer> lets see :)
[21:20] <shadeslayer> aaannddd nothing
[21:21] <ogra_> then try the modesetting driver next
[21:21] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ogra_: rsalveti http://paste.kde.org/733034
[21:25] <shadeslayer> with http://paste.kde.org/733040
[21:26] <rsalveti> [    19.171] (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[21:26] <ogra_> and xf86OpenConsole: setpgid failed: Operation not permitted
[21:26] <rsalveti> no drm fun
[21:26] <ogra_> we had that before
[21:27] <shadeslayer> what ogra_ posted is something either I missed before or something new
[21:27] <ogra_> no, we had that before, i'm pretty sure
[21:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:27] <ogra_> thats whay i insist that some kernel option is wrong
[21:27] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:28] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure which one could cause that
[21:28] <rsalveti> yeah, good to compare with the nexus 7 one for the ubuntu desktop
[21:29] <rsalveti> as it has fb working there
[21:29] <shadeslayer> uh, isn't the Nexus 7 a completely different SoC :P
[21:30] <ogra_> tegra is a breeze, for sure ...  but using the config as example should help
[21:30] <rsalveti> right, but quite many configs must be similar
[21:30] <ogra_> yeah
[21:35] <shadeslayer> okay
[21:50] <fginther> mhall119, the package has been dput, it's building now
[21:51] <mhall119> thanks fginther
[21:57] <Rafael> Hi!
[21:58] <Guest5596> I have a few questions
[23:25] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.kde.org/733094 < well, the setpgid error seems to be gone
[23:25] <shadeslayer> only happens with the modesetting driver
[23:28] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: ^^ so the modesetting driver seems to cause more issues?