[00:00] <doko> ScottK: please do not *workaround* ld build failures without any notice, and even the workaround was wrong / very questionable
[00:00] <ScottK> doko: Which one?
[00:01] <doko> gpgme1.0. are there others?
[00:01] <ScottK> I don't think I've done any others that way.
[00:01] <ScottK> doko: You'd rather I fixed the build system instead of just exporting the LDFLAGS?
[00:02] <doko> yes, or file a bug report and cc me
[00:02] <doko> and using LDFLAGS for libraries is *wrong*
[00:05] <ScottK> OK
[00:05] <ScottK> Won't do it again.
[00:05] <doko> thanks
[00:07] <ScottK> In related news, the pth thing has me confused.
[00:07] <doko> the macro is in the gpgme1.0 package
[00:09] <ScottK> The reason I thought the problem might be in pth was that when I rebuilt pth, the nature of the error changes.
[00:09] <ScottK> If you look at the gpgme1.0 build log it complains about something linking related.
[00:13] <doko> ScottK: we know that we don't want pth, so maybe just disable this autoconf check? I didn't analyze the build failure
[00:14] <ScottK> doko: If you think that's best, I can do that.
[00:14] <ScottK> Gotta go.  Airplane is about to land.
[00:14] <doko> it's not a fix, but a workaround which should work for all archs. subscribe Janimo
[00:17] <Sarvatt> yofel: pretty sure the fix for the copy/paste bug is http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=120915d6deff
[00:18] <robert_ancell> sladen, I've uploaded the previous version.  Seems something is still wrong in 2.23.3
[00:18] <yofel> let me try to apply that
[00:21] <yofel> ah, that was the ubuntu3 patch
[00:24] <Sarvatt> yofel, ari-tczew: copy/paste works right ubuntu3 gtk2
[00:25] <yofel> I'm updating right now
[00:27] <Keybuk> I love those mailing list threads that start "we all sat down in person and agreed this" and then proceed to turn into 1,000 mails disagreeing
[01:13] <ari-tczew> Keybuk: do you mean clipboard case?
[01:14] <Keybuk> ari-tczew: huh?
[01:14] <ari-tczew> Keybuk: I'm thinking what you mean: [01:27] <Keybuk> I love those mailing list threads that start "we all sat down in person and agreed this" and then proceed to turn into 1,000 mails disagreeing
[01:17] <Keybuk> oh, no
[01:17] <Keybuk> there was a thread on the D-Bus Mailing List entitled "User bus conclusion"
[01:17] <Keybuk> it was a post resulting from an in-person discussion at the Boston GNOME Summit in October
[01:17] <Keybuk> where they'd hammered out and agreed the way forward
[01:17] <Keybuk> the thread has about 1,000 mails, all violently disagreeing ;-)
[01:17] <Keybuk> and I'm pretty sure everyone who agreed in that thread broke ranks along the way too
[01:17] <ari-tczew> okok
[01:18] <Laney> found it
[01:18] <Laney> -ECHAN
[01:18] <Keybuk> Laney: lost it ;-)
[01:18] <Keybuk> err, all agreed at that meeting, broke rangs along the way in the thraed
[01:19] <ari-tczew> yofel: and? did you update system?
[01:19] <yofel> see +1
[01:20] <yofel> ah, you're not there..
[01:20] <ari-tczew> hmmmm?
[01:20] <ari-tczew> please, I'm only human
[01:20] <yofel> with ubuntu3 all gtk apps work fine *except* firefox and thunderbird, those crash as soon as I select something now
[01:20] <yofel> ari-tczew: I posted that in #ubuntu+1 already
[01:21] <ari-tczew> yofel: is restart necessary?
[01:21] <yofel> I logged out
[01:22] <ari-tczew> ok thanks
[01:26] <ebroder> Keybuk: Was there any useful conclusion from that thread? I'm conceptually interested in what they're arguing about, but not interested enough to read past message, oh, I don't know, 2
[01:37] <ari-tczew> could any archive admin unsubscribe team from bug 693982 ?
[01:48] <kees> does anything actually delete the /var/cache/apt-xapian-index directories?
[06:09] <jdstrand> hallyn, apw: fyi-- I have a reproducer (though convoluted) for my natty/kvm issues that I mentioned yesterday and I just filed bug #694029
[06:09]  * jdstrand heads out
[09:24] <nullslash> Hello?
[09:26] <iulian> Morning.
[09:27] <nullslash> Hello World
[09:27] <nullslash> Is anyone here is alive ?
[09:28] <iulian> Probably.  I can't say for sure.
[11:33] <jelmer_> doko_: hi
[11:34] <doko_> jelmer_: hi
[11:37] <jelmer_> doko_: Sorry for the interruption, I think I found what I was looking for.
[11:37] <jelmer_> doko_: one of the changes that's cherrypicked by the latest python2.7 upload breaks bzr
[11:38] <doko_> jelmer_: no cherrypicking, just the branch
[11:39] <doko_> jelmer_: which package version does work for you?
[11:39] <jelmer_> doko_: ah, ok. Either way, it's a bzr bug not a Python bug so this is something that we can fix in Bazaar.
[11:40] <doko_> ok
[11:40] <jelmer_> doko_: 2.7.1-1ubuntu4 works
[11:40] <jelmer_> 2.7.1-2 uses an argument to readline() in one of the http functions, and the file-like object Bazaar passes in doesn't support an argument to its readline().
[11:57] <doko_> jelmer_: that's the fix for Issue #6791
[11:57] <doko_> r87383
[11:59] <jelmer_> ah, thanks
[13:09] <shadeslayer> isnt there a apt sources line which automatically chooses a ubuntu mirror for you?
[15:53] <Nece228> hi
[15:54] <Nece228> i want to know
[15:54] <Nece228> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/665546
[15:54] <Nece228> why this bug still doesnt have any attention?
[15:54] <Nece228> i know this is issue with xorg-server 1.9
[15:55] <Nece228> but arch linux in aur has package which fix this issue
[15:56] <Nece228> and actually as i see xorg-server 1.9.3 fixes this issue
[15:57] <charlie-tca> shadeslayer: I don't how to do it from command line, but if you open Synaptic Package Manager, Settings, Repositories, Download from ...    Other
[15:57] <charlie-tca> there will be a button to pick the best server
[15:57] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: no not that
[15:57] <shadeslayer> mvo told me about a custom deb line which automatically figures out servers
[16:02] <shadeslayer>  also this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/547268
[16:02] <shadeslayer> seems a) on upgrade flash is removed and b) when you install flash apt-get goes wonky
[16:17] <juliank> shadeslayer: APT is happy, there's a bug in nspluginwrapper
[16:20] <shadeslayer> juliank: ah .. so is the package fixed? or a WIP?
[16:22] <juliank> shadeslayer: I just read your log, and there is a segfault when running the postinst script of nspluginwrapper, so there is a bug there; but it may be that it is yet to be reported
[16:22] <shadeslayer> ohk .. ill report one then
[16:28] <shadeslayer> juliank: bug 694137
[16:36] <cjwatson> kees: quit panicking about tor - it was nothing to do with autosyncs, tor was a manual sync.  it's done now.
[16:36] <cjwatson> micahg: the last huge autosync will be on 30 Dec
[16:36] <cjwatson> per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[16:47] <psusi> cjwatson, fyi the last day or two daily livecds have had plymouth breakage for me.  sometimes it doesn't show the logo until just before x takes over, sometimes it makes the monitor switch into standby until x takes over
[16:48] <psusi> and sometimes the kernel hard hangs... even magic sysrq doesn't work
[16:48] <cjwatson> psusi: I'm not going to look at plymouth at all until the new year
[16:48] <cjwatson> so no point telling me now :)
[16:48] <cjwatson> I'll just forget
[16:49] <psusi> k... just thought you might know of a recent change that probably did it so I wanted to let you know now before it gets burried under other changes
[16:49] <cjwatson> I'm not going to look at it on Christmas Eve, sorry
[16:49] <psusi> sure.. just mental note about when the breakage happened ;)
[16:50] <cjwatson> no mental note will survive Christmas
[16:50] <psusi> lol
[16:50] <cjwatson> if you want anything remembered, file abug
[16:50] <cjwatson> *a bug
[16:50] <psusi> hrm.... ok
[17:04] <Sarvatt> cjwatson, psusi: probably this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/693093
[17:33] <micahg> cjwatson: ok, wasn't sure if someone was going to be around for that, thanks
[17:44] <micahg> cjwatson: have a good holiday weekend :)
[17:45] <cjwatson> I intend to, thanks


[01:40] <mparillo> http://emerge-open.com/ is still alive. but when I selected Commercial support nothing happened (Falkon). This page is also alive: https://kubuntu.emerge-open.com/buy
[01:44] <mparillo> It would be easy to remove commercial support from https://kubuntu.org/support/ But when I am in the page, I see we do not link to Kubuntu manuals after 19.04. The source for the latest was https://github.com/kubuntu-team/kubuntu-manual and the last commit was on May 26, 2019
[02:09] <valorie> I don't think Aaron is doing that any more
[02:10] <valorie> since it is on github I never figured out how to contribute there
 I've been bad at that though I can update the website.
 Should I make a 20.04 LTS manual?
 valorie we can have a Github workshop to get you up to speed as well!
 Yay I added myself to the kubuntu members group on LP lol
[15:41] <mparillo> Thank you. My other question is whether commercial support is pining for the fjords.


[00:14] <trinikrono> later guys
[03:39] <drizzle> hi all
[03:39] <drizzle> i haven't confirmed 633598, but I think it needs to be assigned to Ubuntu Translations
[03:40] <nigelb> bug 633598
[03:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633598 in language-pack-gnome-es (Ubuntu) "Typo in nautilus autorun message (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633598
[04:59] <invitado> Can anyone read a log?
[05:00] <invitado> I do not know what happen, all of a sudden my monitor resolution is too big
[05:00] <invitado> I was installing a driver (Audio) when the system restarted
[05:00] <invitado> and now i have this resolution issue
[05:03] <drizzle> #ubuntu should be able to help you out invitado
[05:03] <drizzle> can someone please mark 633726 as triaged
[05:03] <invitado> they cant
[05:03] <invitado> I think is a bug
[05:07] <invitado> pfff
[05:22] <persia> drizzle, I won't mark 633726 as triaged.  it's merely confirmed.  Which icons appear (what path)?  Which package provides those? What packages claim the ability to open .deb in the MIME database?  Does this only happen for new installs, or only upgrades, or both?
[05:22] <persia> It's not required to answer all these questions, but the point of "Triaged" is that there is now enough information that a developer can fix the bug.  Speaking as a developer, I still don't have a clear understanding of the bug from reading it.
[05:23] <persia> (also, when setting Triaged, it's good to set some Importance: if you don't have permissions, best to ask when asking folk to set "Triaged")
[06:31] <drizzle> thank you persia
[06:33] <persia> drizzle, I didn't do anything :)  Thanks to you for working on bug triage.
[08:59] <persia> Just in case folks didn't get the news: it's now time to take a break from bug triage.  LP will be down for a couple hours.  See #launchpad /topic for updates if you're anxious.
[09:04] <vish> they should name those >  "Forced Typing Breaks!" ;)
[09:04]  * vish suggests in #lp
[11:16] <mkarnicki> Hi all
[13:22] <crony> Hi, today is apt-bug-fix-day? Debian and ubuntu still use the same apt codebase or did ubuntu fork apt?
[13:30] <persia> crony, There's two outstanding patches not in Debian (different keyring, ignoring a couple files in sources.list.d), but there are shared maintainers between Ubuntu and Debian, so I'm not sure it's a fork, really.
[13:32] <persia> actually, looking at the changelog, I should say there's a shared maintainer: seems like the same single person has been responsible for all uploads to Debian and Ubuntu for the last 13 months.
[14:15] <kamusin> hey there devildante
[14:16] <devildante> hi kamusin :)
[14:17] <kamusin> how are things there? remember the hugday today! :)
[14:18] <devildante> kamusin: all is fine, and yes, today's hugday! :)
[14:19] <kamusin> good :)
[17:13] <DrKenobi> Hi! Next tuesday is the BugSquad Meeting. If you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting it says it is going to be at 16UTC and also 17UTC. ¿?
[17:26] <pedro_> DrKenobi, it's at 1700 utc i'll update that, thanks
[17:27] <DrKenobi> thank you pedro_
[17:28] <DrKenobi> pedro_ i think that you also have to update the event at The Fridge/Google Calendar
[17:32]  * DrKenobi nap
[17:43] <njin> pedro_. around ?
[17:43] <njin> pedro_:^
[17:44] <pedro_> njin, sort of , yes
[17:44] <pedro_> njin, no need to ping me twice in a second
[18:06] <kamusin> should  I remove apt link from bug 526796 ?  looks like a sound applet issue for all sides .. (apt triagers I invoke you)
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 526796 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "No sound applet on the gnome panel (affects: 39) (dups: 3) (heat: 214)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526796
[18:08] <charlie-tca> I think so. I don't see where apt is involved in adding an indicator to the panel
[18:22] <hggdh> happy new year, all
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Thank you, and to you!
[18:23]  * hggdh forgot to wish micahg a good new year :-(
[19:11] <intrader> All, I have reported bug 631130 and added seveal 'Also affects distribution'. Is this proper?
[19:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[19:13] <intrader> All, moreover I have not seen any other activity on this report, is this normal?
[19:13] <vish> intrader: hmm , why were those added to the bug?
[19:14] <intrader> vish, I have tested those distributions in the same machine with the same results for the same apps (various applets, firefox, open office, etc.)
[19:15] <vish> intrader: well, not sure why you say  "not seen any other activity on this report".. there has been a triager working on the bug, and has requested info.. kindly attach the logs..
[19:16] <intrader> vish, I thought that was important information. My problems started only after a 9.04 install picked up updates which messed up the UI
[19:16] <intrader> vish, I did not notice that - I have the page open to the bug, where do I see that?
[19:17] <vish> intrader: info is requested in comment #1..
[19:18] <intrader> vish, oh, how could I miss that? How do I provide the logs (pastebin?).
[19:19] <vish> intrader: quoting from the comment "can you please attach here these files:" .. so its *attaching* those log files :)
[19:20] <intrader> vish, I see that. Thanks, I will do so!
[19:20] <vish> np..
[19:30] <intrader> vish, thanks - I wish that there was some indication at the top of the page of activity below the visible part!
[19:31] <vish> intrader: you should have got mail about the reply too
[19:31] <vish> intrader: or.. scrolling a page is not a bad idea either.. ;)
[19:34] <intrader> vish, I will check, I will scroll in the future, but it would be easier. The email went to spam, that is why I did not see it.
[19:37] <vish> intrader: odd!,  did gmail filter it or is it some other mail provider... ?
[19:41] <intrader> vish, the sender was fabio marconi with his email address
[19:41] <intrader> vish, I am using thunderbird as mail app.
[19:42] <vish> intrader: not sure.. why it went to spam though .. thanks anyway. :)
[19:43] <intrader> vish, my spam rule. Message goes to spam if sender is not in address book.
[19:43] <vish> intrader: ah ha... :)
[19:44] <intrader> vish, there should be a way for contributors to send message on behalf of launchpad, and then I would only have to have launchpad in address book
[19:45] <intrader> vish, thanks for your help :)
[19:46] <vish> intrader: that is how it already works  from is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:46] <vish> np..
[19:47] <intrader> vish, I guess the sender (fabio marconi) does not know this and responded as himself
[19:48] <vish> intrader: i doubt it.. :)  the reply is *on* the lp page , the From addy will be as above..
[19:49] <vish> intrader: hmm , i think you might have found another bug ;)
[19:52] <vish> intrader: figured it out! why that happened!
[19:52] <vish> intrader: if the member has set the email id to "private" , then the mail arrives as i mentioned above.. if not, the member's mail id is sent :(
[19:54]  * charlie-tca thinks that explains why sometimes the email reply doesn't go to launchpad, then.
[19:54] <charlie-tca> thanks vish
[19:55] <vish> charlie-tca: np.. :)
[19:55]  * vish asking why it happens so in #launchpad
[19:56] <intrader> vish, thanks; wow you are busy!
[19:57] <vish> :)
[21:33] <intrader> vish, now that I have uploaded the logs, what happens in your opinion, next?
[21:34] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/396917  .. is anybody else w/ bug-control access able to see the attachments on that bug report?
[21:34] <ubot2> SpamapS: Error: Bug #396917 is private.
[21:36] <vish> intrader: waiting..  ;)
[21:44] <charlie-tca> SpamapS: yes. The report is public
[22:08] <intrader> vish, sorry, what?
[22:09] <vish> intrader: waiting is what happens next..
[22:10] <intrader> vish, I received a comment to bug 631130 requesting I run `apport-collect 631130` on terminal. No such command!
[22:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 631130 in opensuse (and 3 other projects) "In all apps, slow UI since 10.04 install (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631130
[22:10] <penguin42> are there any tips anywhere for users who have stuff that boots OK from the livecd but kernel panic once installed fairly early?
[22:12] <devildante> penguin42: apport-collect from livecd, I guess
[22:13] <devildante> intrader, sorry, my bad, I should have checked that apport-collect is installed on everyone's pc
[22:13] <vish> intrader: devildante is your commenter ;)
[22:14] <penguin42> devildante: Yeh I walked him through that, unfortunately it refused to upload it, possibly a launchpad screw up, but he repeatedly tried that and kept getting a launchpad timeout just after putting in the subject
[22:14] <penguin42> devildante: I've got him to get an lspci and dmesg from the livecd and attach that to the bug together with a screenshot of the panic
[22:15] <penguin42> devildante: But is there any info on the way the kernel on the livecd is built - is it different from the normal one?
[22:15] <devildante> penguin42, it shouldn't be
[22:15] <penguin42> I wondered whether it was run in some safer config
[22:15] <devildante> penguin42, maybe something wrong with the installer, idk
[22:16] <penguin42> devildante: It seems more a kernel screwup
[22:16] <devildante> intrader, can you install the "apport" package?
[22:16] <devildante> penguin42, what's the bug number
[22:16] <devildante> ?
[22:17] <penguin42> devildante: bug 634454
[22:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634454 in linux (Ubuntu) "Attempted to kill init! on IQ770 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634454
[22:17] <penguin42> devildante: It's a general protection fault in init
[22:19] <devildante> penguin42, idk, I'm not a kernel expert
[22:20]  * devildante is reminded he should attend the kernel triage summit on -classroom
[22:20] <penguin42> devildante: it's either kernel or boot loader - it really would take effort for the installer to cause that
[22:21] <intrader> devildante, what is apport?
[22:22] <trinikrono> intrader: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport :D
[22:22] <devildante> intrader, it's what lets you report bugs with logs attached, etc (in a nutshell)
[22:22] <trinikrono> hey guys isnt a hugday ?
[22:22] <devildante> penguin42, tell him to do this: $ uname -a > uname-a.log
[22:22] <devildante> $ cat /proc/version_signature > version.log
[22:22] <devildante> $ dmesg > dmesg.log
[22:22] <devildante> $ sudo lspci -vvnn > lspci-vvnn.log
[22:22] <penguin42> devildante: Yeh the dmesg and lspci are attached on there
[22:22] <devildante> trinikrono: yes it's hugday today :)
[22:23] <devildante> ah
[22:23] <intrader> trinikrono, devildante: I suppose through the package manager?
[22:23] <devildante> intrader, yes
[22:23] <trinikrono> intrader: read the wikipage
[22:23] <trinikrono> it has how to enable it
[22:25] <vish> intrader: btw.. Bug #634497  ;)
[22:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 634497 in malone "Bug Comment mails use commenter's mail id as the "From" addy if user id is public (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634497
[22:25] <vish> intrader: so when that gets fixed , you can probably set a rule so that you dont miss lp comments :)
[22:26] <intrader> trinikrono, devildante: unfortunately, it shows as installed, but apport-collect is not a command
[22:26] <trinikrono> apport needs to be running intrader
[22:27] <trinikrono> intrader:  is it your bug report?
[22:27] <yofel> intrader: apport-collect *is* a command
[22:27] <yofel> /usr/bin/apport-collect
[22:28] <intrader> trinikrono, yes
[22:28] <trinikrono> try running this
[22:28] <intrader> yofel, sorry, but when I do `apport-collect`, the terminal tells me it is not a command
[22:28] <trinikrono> sudo service apport start force_start=1
[22:29] <trinikrono> then apport-collect
[22:29] <trinikrono> you need to put the number of the bug also
[22:29] <trinikrono> after apport-collect intrader
[22:29] <yofel> trinikrono: why does it tell him that it isn't a command then?
[22:30] <yofel> intrader: what does 'which apport-collect' give you?
[22:30] <trinikrono> maybe he is using the ''
[22:30] <yofel> running `apport-collect` with the backticks works fine though
[22:31] <intrader> yofel, `/usr/bin/apport-collect 631130` does work, it opens a web page (is this comet?)
[22:31] <yofel> it should ask for authorisation to access the bug
[22:31] <yofel> and if that works something's wrong with your $PATH
[22:32] <yofel> what does 'echo $PATH' give?
[22:33] <intrader> yofel, amazing - working (well it ways 'Almost finshed...')
[22:35] <trinikrono> okie i am starting on the hugday
[22:35] <trinikrono> is bug 606126 ready to triaged
[22:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606126 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-cache search should show version (affects: 1) (heat: 74)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606126
[22:35] <trinikrono> it is already wishlist
[22:35] <trinikrono> i am wondering if the status needs to be changed
[22:35] <yofel> intrader: mind to give the output of 'which apport-collect' and 'ls -la /usr/bin/apport-collect'? I'm curious why it failed for you
[22:37] <devildante> trinikrono, it's fine, since it's a feature request. however, it can't be triaged until someone forward the bug to debian (i.e upstream)
[22:38] <trinikrono> so once i forward it or find a upstream bug that matches it can be set to triaged? devildante
[22:38] <yofel> yes
[22:38] <devildante> trinikrono, yes, follow instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs
[22:40] <intrader> yofel, it seems to have collected the information after asking me for permissions - how do I give you the info. Rerun the command?
[22:40] <yofel> intrader: no, just give me the output of the commands I told you here in the channel, as it has nothing to do with your bug
[22:42] <intrader> yofel, `which apport-collect` replies /usr/bin/apport-collect
[22:42] <yofel> then I don't get why it didn't work o.O
[22:43] <yofel> hm, and the DBTS classroom session isn't linked on the wiki page :/
[22:43]  * yofel goes looking for it
[22:43] <intrader> yofel, replies apport-bug.
[22:44] <intrader> yofel, trinikono, vish: thanks, the report from apport-collect was reported.
[22:44] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2010-07-22 If anyone's interested, very educating read on the Debian BTS
[22:46] <intrader> yofel, trinikono, vish: thanks, a lot of stuff has been added to the report.
[22:47] <trinikrono> yofel: thats a eyeful
[22:48] <intrader> yofel, yes and eyeful - all absconded surreptitiously by a bot? :)
[22:49] <yofel> well, Rhonda isn't a bot, but it was logged by a bot :P
[22:49] <intrader> yofel, trinikono, vish: what could a hacker do wit all that info?
[22:51] <devildante> intrader, someone can delve into the info and determine the cause of the problem
[22:54] <devildante> intrader, do you still experience this bug with the nouveau driver? (i.e without the proprietary driver installed)
[22:59] <Ologn> Hmm...I had a segfault which apport reported 3 weeks ago, at which time my system had all packages up to date (within a few hours anyhow).  Apport retracing just marked my crash report as unable to process, because my packages like passwd from then are not the latest upgrade now - not that xpdf crashing on every PDF opened has much to do with the passwd package...
[23:01] <charlie-tca> That is one of the problems of not reporting the crash as soon as possible
[23:01] <Ologn> It's not really a problem with that bug as xpdf was patched anyhow, I wonder how many other apport retraces were done today like that... Loading apport retracing's bug page gives a timeout so I guess I won't know https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apport
[23:01] <Ologn> The crash was reported as soon as possible
[23:01] <Ologn> It was reported three weeks ago
[23:02] <charlie-tca> what is the bug number?
[23:02] <Ologn> My packages were up to date then
[23:02] <yofel> charlie-tca: that's the retracer running too late actually
[23:02] <Ologn> 618982
[23:02] <charlie-tca> bug 618982
[23:02] <ubot2> charlie-tca: Bug 618982 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/618982 is private
[23:03] <charlie-tca> I see. It is hard to tell how many it happens to, I think.
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I don't it happens very often with the stable releases, but with the development releases, packages can change daily, and sometimes more often
[23:05] <Ologn> Xpdf was patched so it's not a problem in this particular case. But with similar parameters the retracer can be invalidating good bug reports...I wonder if this is connected to the downtime and upgrade last night of launchpad...since it lay untouched for three weeks before that...anyhow...
[23:06] <yofel> right, but it happens to me too that a bug is retraced like a week or a month after I reported it, which is useless in most cases as usually someone else reports the same bug after me, makes it public even with coredump attached and the bug get's worked on
[23:09] <cjae> in kde 4.5 when I get a highlighted message, the sound crashes kmix or the sound on vlc at least
[23:09] <cjae> in kde 4.5 when I get a highlighted message in quassel, the sound crashes kmix or the sound on vlc at least
[23:09] <cjae> sorry
[23:10]  * yofel doesn't have sound notifications on and goes searching where to enable them again..
[23:14] <devildante> "Launchpad encountered an error during the following operation: generating the diff for a merge proposal.  The source branch has no revisions." what is this I don't even
[23:16] <SpamapS> charlie-tca: I was having trouble even seeing the files.. launchpad would just 404 the attachments.
[23:16] <yofel> cjae: can't seem to get quassel to output sound, at least pressing the notifications test button does nothing, sound works fine in smplayer and vlc though
[23:16] <SpamapS> charlie-tca: but eventually some of them showed up
[23:16] <yofel> devildante: did your message get cut off? it ends with ' I don't even' here, or is that just me?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> SpamapS: that is a problem much of the time. sometimes the left-click every 20-30 seconds will force it to show up
[23:17] <charlie-tca> sometimes, nothing works
[23:17] <SpamapS> weird
[23:17] <devildante> yofel, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/what-is-this-i-dont-even
[23:17] <SpamapS> maybe just something to do with older reports?
[23:17] <yofel> devildante: and what merge and branches?
[23:17] <charlie-tca> hitting reload doesn't seem to work either
[23:17] <charlie-tca> It does it here on new and old reports.
[23:18] <devildante> yofel, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/no-crash-when-searching/+merge/35043
[23:18] <yofel> devildante: didn't know that one yet ^^
[23:19] <devildante> heh :)


[12:38] <cliebow_> i posted answer in #ltsp
[04:14] <groov1> hi LaserJock
[04:14] <groov1> hi nixternal
[04:20] <sesja> hi all :-)
[04:21] <LaserJock> hi
[04:21] <sesja> LaserJock: do u sleep sometimes?
[04:28] <LaserJock> I think so
[04:42] <sesja> which version is Edubuntu?
[04:42] <sesja>  Hoary Hedgehog
[04:43] <sesja>  Breezy Badger
[04:43] <sesja>  Dapper Drake
[04:43] <sesja> or
[04:43] <sesja>  Edgy Eft
[04:44] <sesja> ok the last one
[04:44] <LaserJock> you can get several versions
[05:01] <sesja> my edubuntu hangs when i open cd tray
[05:02] <sesja> is that normal?
[05:02] <LaserJock> heh, no
[05:03] <LaserJock> an OS hanging is not normal
[05:04] <nixternal> OGRA! :)
[05:04] <nixternal> that should get his attention ;p
[05:04] <nixternal> wait, he is sleeping
[06:42] <crazy_bus> I was wondering if there were any open-source alternatives to the software used to help autistic children
[08:40] <crazy_bus> I was wondering if there were any open-source alternatives to the software used to help autistic children
[10:24] <rockprincess> moin Juliux! ;)
[11:19] <gerro> omg there are people that use that OS?
[11:21] <RichEd> hi all
[11:21] <RichEd> hi ogra
[11:21] <ogra> hey RichEd
[11:21] <gerro> hi
[11:21] <RichEd> finally back at my desk after leaving home for italy 18 days ago
[11:22] <ogra> phew
[11:22] <RichEd> got stuck in Amsterdam due to a KLM strike & flight cancellation
[11:22] <ogra> oh no !
[11:22] <RichEd> and rode 110 km yesterday in a bike race ... so am feeling quite whacked out
[11:26] <juliux> hi RichEd
[11:26] <RichEd> hi juliux ... doing okay ?
[11:26] <juliux> RichEd, sure
[11:27] <juliux> RichEd, we have no 4 schools in germany who says offical "yes we are using *ubuntu"
[11:30] <RichEd> excellent ... can you mail me school names and any contact people ?
[11:30] <juliux> RichEd, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu/schulen
[11:31] <RichEd> 100% thanks
[11:32] <juliux> you are welcome
[11:44] <juliux> hi Yagisan
[11:44] <Yagisan> G'day juliux
[11:51] <kalle_> How do I get a Sandisk Pc card 6in1 to work in edubuntu? I can see the adapter but I can't mount the drives when I load a memory card in the pc card.
[11:52] <juliux> kalle_, did you check the output form dmesg and /var/log/syslog ?
[11:52] <kalle_> No, problem is that I'm new to edubuntu and I don't know how to.
[01:00] <RichEd> ping ogra
[01:07] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd
[01:27] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco
[01:52] <cbx33> ping ogra
[01:54] <juliux> hi cbx33
[01:54] <juliux> cbx33, did you have some edubuntu flyer left?
[01:55] <cbx33> yes
[01:55] <cbx33> I don;t know who has them though
[01:55] <juliux> RichEd, ping
[01:55] <cbx33> w00t RichEd
[01:55] <RichEd> ja juliux
[01:55] <cbx33> hey dude
[01:56] <RichEd> cbx33: hey right back at ya
[01:56] <juliux> RichEd, did you now who has the edubuntu flyer from BETT?
[01:57] <RichEd> I heard them chatting 'bout them in the office the other day when I was in london ... let me ask on #canonical
[01:57] <RichEd> damn .. christina not there ... I will mail her and get back to you juliux
[01:58] <juliux> RichEd, only ask here if there are some left if she can bring them to CeBIT
[01:59] <RichEd> juliux: she mentioned there were some left, and she said who had them, but I can't remember who ... so I will follow up
[02:00] <cbx33> I can't remember who either
[02:00] <cbx33> I had to leave them there when i left
[02:03] <cliebow> ogra: you tried ltsp5 on an emac?lookslike autodetect wont work there..works fine on g3 and g4 ibook
[02:20] <cliebow> anyone using ltsp5 on ppc?
[02:54] <bddebian> Heya
[05:45] <Laser_away> ogra: you've probably already seen but edubuntu-docs MIR got approved
[05:51] <cbx33> hey Laser_away
[05:52] <nixternal> boo
[05:52] <nixternal> Laser_away: that is one heck of a wireless keyboard you have there. away, yet still IRC'n
[05:53] <cbx33> heeh
[05:53] <nixternal> cbx33: cut your hair already :)
[05:53] <cbx33> it's his brain implant
[05:53] <cbx33> haha
[05:53] <cbx33> nixternal, you havn't seen it yet
[05:53] <nixternal> psychokenesis? ;p
[05:53] <nixternal> I keep my hair like I did when I was in the military
[05:53] <nixternal> I grew out of the hippy stage I think my senior year in high school
[05:53] <cbx33> haha
[05:54] <cbx33> no more
[05:54] <cbx33> no more
[05:55] <nixternal> I thought about growing it out, but it gets to the point to where it annoys me
[05:56] <nixternal> so I seen in the post
[05:56] <nixternal> I want to make the photo frame now with an old laptop, but the display is kind of garbage
[05:57] <cbx33> :(
[05:57] <cbx33> you mean the real display
[05:57] <nixternal> ya
[05:57] <cbx33> or using phimage?
[05:57] <nixternal> the display itself
[05:57] <cbx33> :(
[05:57] <cbx33> what's up with it
[05:57] <nixternal> I need to pull it out, and set it up with phimage
[05:57] <cbx33> awesome
[05:57] <nixternal> it is old 8yrs maybe?
[05:57] <cbx33> wow
[05:57] <nixternal> it is grainy and has spots
[05:57] <cbx33> maybe phimage will be too much for it
[05:57] <nixternal> at least when I run *buntu on it
[05:58] <cbx33> run with --tilesize 64 :p
[05:58] <nixternal> I will do that next week during spring break
[05:58] <cbx33> ;)
[05:58] <cbx33> you actually run phimage yet?
[05:58] <nixternal> that laptop is still a champ though, it runs any *buntu perfectly, at 800x600, but it works
[05:58] <nixternal> not yet I haven't
[05:58] <nixternal> I have been following it though
[05:59] <cbx33> awesome
[05:59] <cbx33> well now it's c++ it's much nicer
[05:59] <cbx33> infact think I'll download compile and put up a video on google video ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if I can get a small embedded linux thing. I have a sweet 6" LCD that I totally forgot about
[06:00] <nixternal> there you go
[06:00] <cbx33> cool
[06:00] <cbx33> we'd need an x server
[06:04] <nixternal> well there are embedded linux devices with x-server
[06:04] <cbx33> ;)
[06:04] <nixternal> I know a guy who runs a 4.5" touchscreen LCD with one in his car
[06:04] <nixternal> talk about a geek car, he has it
[06:11] <cbx33> heheh cool
[06:11] <cbx33> it runs linux?
[06:11] <cbx33> wow cool
[06:11] <cbx33> looks like Laser_away ran away
[06:12] <cbx33> he probably heard me coming with my automake autoconf problems ;)
[06:27] <cbx33> heheh another phimage post ;)
[06:41] <LaserJock> nixternal: away is a very relative term ;-)
[06:42] <nixternal> so I have noticed :)
[06:58] <rockprincess> ping RichEd
[07:07] <juliux> hi rockprincess
[07:09] <rockprincess> hey Juliux :)
[07:12] <rockprincess> hast du RichEd gesehen? ist er grad away?!
[07:15] <juliux> rockprincess, yes he was here this morning
[07:15] <juliux> rockprincess, last message at 14:00
[07:18] <rockprincess> thank you juliux :)
[07:18] <juliux> rockprincess, pls don't feed me, i am a stupid bot;)
[07:20] <nixternal> huh?
[07:29] <juliux> hi nixternal
[07:33] <nixternal> hi juliux
[07:33] <cbx33> hey juliux
[07:48] <cliebow> hi juliux
[09:13] <rockprincess> RichEd-1, are you in?
[09:38] <LaserJock> hmm, that was interesting
[09:38] <LaserJock> ogra: did you seed edubuntu-docs yet?
[09:38] <ogra> last week
[09:39] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:39] <LaserJock> excellent
[09:39] <LaserJock> and we got some good news from mdke
[09:39] <LaserJock> the yelp upstream found a way to customize the front page for Edubuntu while not messing with Ubuntu
[09:40] <ogra> yay
[09:41] <LaserJock> so he asked me what we wanted
[09:41] <LaserJock> did we decide if we wanted the Release Note shipped or not?
[09:41] <LaserJock> I don't think Ubuntu or Kubuntu ships them
[09:42] <ogra> no, we never shipped them ...
[09:42] <ogra> they belong to the wiki
[09:42] <ogra> all we have is the FF startpage
[09:42] <ogra> (wich isnt updated yet btw)
[09:43] <LaserJock> do you want us to drop the release notes altogether? it's currently in the svn repo
[09:46] <ogra> well, keep them in the wiki as usual
[09:47] <LaserJock> ok, so then we'd have About Edubuntu, Edubuntu Handbook, and Edubuntu School Advocacy
[09:52] <zch> hi
[09:53] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't really like the "Edubuntu School Advocacy" name
[09:53] <LaserJock> ogra: what do you think?
[09:55] <ogra> suggest something new :)
[09:56] <LaserJock> well, do you like the name?
[09:56] <LaserJock> it could be just me
[09:56] <ogra> i dont really have an optinion about it ... ask a teacher ... thats the target audience
[09:57] <LaserJock> "a teacher, a teacher, my kingdom for a teacher!" :-)
[10:11] <cbx33> ogra, DUUUUDE
[10:12] <cbx33> ogra, did kwwii speak to you?
[10:16] <cbx33> Edubuntu Essentials LaserJock ?
[10:25] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, how about "Edubuntu Propaganda"? ;-)
[11:36] <cbx33> nn all


[07:35] <seb128> wgrant, hey, so the nautilus translations tweak worked, the .po are in the queue now, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/nautilus/+imports
[07:35] <seb128> wgrant, do you know why they stay on "needs review" though?
[07:35] <seb128> I think dpm usually say that autosort out but takes some time, is that the case there? what's the usual delay?
[07:40] <wgrant> seb128: nautilus has no templates, so there's nothing to approve into.
[07:41] <wgrant> Or someone deactivated it.
[07:41] <seb128> but I approved the .pot and they got imported
[07:41] <wgrant> seb128: Enabled, might work now.
[07:41] <wgrant> The template was disabled.
[07:41] <seb128> isn't that what you did?
[07:41] <wgrant> I disabled the upstream one.
[07:41] <seb128> disable the template
[07:41] <wgrant> To break the sharing.
[07:41] <wgrant> So the gardener should hopefully autoapprove the POs within a few hours.
[08:12] <seb128> wgrant, thanks
[19:57] <teward> is it possible to get my build tests PPA which I use only for package merge build testing (in addition to my local builders, to really rule out errant build successes, etc.) ARM-enabled?  (we're looking at one upload a month, two at the most)  Or if that person's not here should I just post a Question on Launchpad against Launchpad Itself for enablement?
[20:02] <caraka> I did the latter to get ARM enabled on my PPA, teward.  Questions for Launchpad itself
[20:10] <teward> caraka: right, but sometimes i'm lucky to see those admins here :P
[20:14] <teward> done, so it'll get done whenever :)
[22:57] <teward> wgrant: thanks for enabling ARM in my Xenial build test PPA :)
[22:59] <wgrant> np
[23:34] <mwhudson> i know launchpad doesn't support git recipes yet, but are there tools for doing the same sort of thing on my machine?
[23:34] <mwhudson> i.e. take upstream git, splice a debian directory into it, add a changelog entry?
[23:38] <mwhudson> (i guess this would be a git equivalent of bzr-builder)
[23:42] <wgrant> mwhudson: git-buildpackage may have some helpful bits, but probably not everything.
[23:42] <mwhudson> it certainly has lots of bits