[04:44] <disasm> phoenixp3k2: but you could get to, say ubuntulinux.org?
[04:44] <Eddie> Returning Astronauts to the moon by 2020?
[04:44] <Lafitte-> anyone know where i can change the info that rebuild the interfaces scripts ?
[04:44] <Eddie> aaach
[04:44] <Eddie> how lame is that goal :(
[04:45] <Eddie> I bet in the 70s people thought by 2020 we'd be landing on Mars
[04:45] <disasm> Lafitte-: /etc/network/interfaces is the config file that determines everything else to my knowledge, nothing rebuilds it
[04:45] <darius___> Lafitte-: can't you just remove it from /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:46] <rob^> I fixed the problem, it was dns related
[04:46] <xMaximex> with wich repository can i install charconv module for irssi with apt-get ?
[04:46] <disasm> Lafitte-: waproamd may be of use, but I haven't had any success with it as of yet
[04:47] <disasm> phoenixp3k2: how does firestarter store it's information? is it gui administrated or config files somewhere?
[04:48] <Lafitte-> disasm,  ive put a # infront of the key  and it rebuilt the line in the leaving the # line also
[04:48] <phoenixp3k2> disasm: I've checked on ubuntu forums and sevral others report the same bug
[04:49] <Lafitte-> disasm, i had wapraomd break my cnnectin actually till i removed it
[04:49] <misfit-toy> Eddie,  in the '50s they thought we'd be landing in the '70s
[04:50] <phoenixp3k2> disasm: firestarter is all gui
[04:51] <misfit-toy> rob^, I have DNS issues here with Ubuntu, what did you fix?
[04:51] <Lafitte-> im going to try and select the any feature
[04:52] <Madpilot> off to the gym; can't desk-potato all the time. see you all later.
[04:52] <rob^> misfit-toy, I just removed my gateway from the dns settings, and added the two provided by my isp
[04:52] <rob^> my gateways ip that is
[04:53] <misfit-toy> so rob^ you took your router out of the gateway?
[04:53] <Lafitte-> disasm,  i think some hotplug script is doing this
[04:53] <rob^> novaflare, I just had the ip address of my router under the dns -> dns servers area
[04:53] <phoenixp3k2> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/simple-bug-guide.cgi?product=firestarter Can someone tell me if this website is working?
[04:53] <Pauly> hum
[04:54] <rob^> I removed that ip address, and added the dns servers ip addresses provided by my isp
[04:54] <kvidell> I'm sure any of us can Pauly, just ask :)
[04:54] <rob^> misfit-toy, ^^
[04:54] <misfit-toy> rob^, interesting, let me see...
[04:54] <Eddie> misfit-toy: just a pity things havent advanced more
[04:55] <Pauly> Alrighty well, first thing, is there any bugs that would possibly wipe out my windows (or the windows MBR like with the fedora bug)?
[04:55] <misfit-toy> Eddie, you should have seen Linux 10 years ago
[04:56] <thechitowncubs> It sucked, lol
[04:56] <pedlar> yargh
[04:56] <cthulfuego> Liars.
[04:56] <kvidell> It'll try to write the mbr over with GRUB, which generally speaking shouldn't be a problem, you'll just use grub to chose which os to boot in to
[04:56] <mcking> Pauly: as long as you follow the installer's instructions you should be ok, but as with any software, make sure you back up any important data if you are worried
[04:56] <Pauly> I used the live CD and it seemed to not recognize my second NIC, how difficult would it be to get it to recognize that, I also have a windows network set up currently and I use this computer as the router essentially, will Ubuntu allow windows computer to access it, and will I be able to share net etc etc
[04:57] <mcking> Pauly: what kind of NIC is it
[04:57] <thechitowncubs> I've got a question/problem, I want to play the Battlefield 2 demo but it doesn't work in Cedega so now i have to get windows back on here somehow and reinstall grub, what is the easiest way to resize my partition and then after I get windows installed to put grub back on? Is the ubuntu installer capable of doing that w/out reinstalling the whole OS?
[04:57] <Pauly> Also, is there any better IRC clients then xchat, I use many different channels on a few diff servers like constantly and that whole scrolling thing REALLY gets old
[04:57] <bhartman> Hi, everyone.  I've got another question:  I've got my WindowsXP partition mounted, and I'm trying to copy the fonts over in Nautilus, but Nautilus won't copy them.  It's not giving me an error.  It just doesn't do anything when I try to copy and paste the files.  Can anyone give me some advice?
[04:58] <mcking> Pauly: you should be able to set it up to share files via samba, as well as share internet access
[04:58] <thechitowncubs> Pauly: I don't understand your problem
[04:58] <Pauly> mcking - It is either ummmmm
[04:58] <cthulfuego> bhartman: try 'cp ' on the command line.
[04:58] <Pauly> linksys
[04:58] <misfit-toy> bbl
[04:58] <Pauly> Or an onboard, EPoX 8K9A
[04:58] <rob^> is there a problem with the lame/liblame0 package? apt's telling me its broken
[04:58] <bhartman> cthulfuego:  Thanks.  What directory does "fonts://" in Nautilus correspond to?
[04:59] <cthulfuego> Pauly: run 'lspci'
[04:59] <mcking> bhartman: try copying in the cli
[04:59] <ottoaim_> the easy option is to quit playing video games
[04:59] <cthulfuego> bhartman: Just copy them to ~/.fonts
[04:59] <bhartman> cthulfuego:  Thanks. :))
[04:59] <Pauly> Switched back to windoze cause I hate xchat:P
[04:59] <cthulfuego> Pauly: apt-get install irssi-text
[04:59] <ottoaim_> use try irssi?
[04:59] <pedlar> mirc isn't any better...
[04:59] <Pauly> *writes down the command*
[04:59] <thechitowncubs> I know, but i really want to try out this new BF2 demo... I have been only using ubuntu for a long time now
[04:59] <Pauly> It is for me:P
[04:59] <thechitowncubs> Pauly: what is wrong w/ xchat?
[04:59] <kvidell> Pauly: Xchat is nice though >.> I use xchat on ALL os's
[04:59] <ottoaim_> opps try*
[04:59] <mcking> Pauly: look in device manager
[05:00] <kvidell> well.. i'm using BitchX via ssh+screen form a BSD server in a friend's bedroom right now
[05:00] <adapt> lostirc oi!
[05:00] <Pauly> I use multiple different servers and channels, the scroll bar for the channel list sucks bad
[05:00] <Pauly> And to have channel names so small is bad as well
[05:00] <kestas> I like xchat
[05:00] <kestas> nice and clean'
[05:00] <Octane> has anyone here gotten ubuntu to work with a Marvell Yukon Gigabit eithernet card? (sk98lin is the module)
[05:00] <thechitowncubs> xchat is perfect for me
[05:00] <Pauly> I do like the ability to set up custom KB shortcuts:P
[05:00] <cthulfuego> Pauly: Don't use shit software then, nobody is _forcing_ you ;-)
[05:00] <thechitowncubs> pauly, did you try changing the location of the tabs?
[05:01] <raz> How do you list the installed apps in a terminal?
[05:01] <mcking> Pauly: irssi or bitchx in different windows
[05:01] <ottoaim_> Pauly: too small of text?  it is configurable...
[05:01] <thechitowncubs> did you try making your window biger :P
[05:01] <cthulfuego> Octane: yep, works out of the box for me.
[05:01] <bhartman> Thanks everyone.  Gonna restart X and see how it goes.  :)  brb.
[05:01] <Pauly> I am aware cthulfuego, reason why one of my questions was about other IRC clients
[05:01] <Octane> cthulfuego, what kind of board?
[05:01] <thechitowncubs> ya, and font is configureable
[05:01] <Octane> cthulfuego, you didnt have to compile the kernel module yourself?
[05:01] <cthulfuego> Octane: Gigabyte K8NS pro
[05:02] <cthulfuego> Octane: I've never run an ubuntu kernel.
[05:02] <KodeK> cthulfuego, what's up, man, remember me?
[05:02] <Octane> cthulfuego, what do you run then?
[05:02] <pedlar> anybody know which repository the source for gstreamer would be in?
[05:02] <KodeK> cthulfuego, i was the one who had a bad k8ns ultra 939
[05:02] <kalias> Hi!  Is there someone here who knows about modprobe?    I have an isa sound card and according to the wiki I have to add a couple of things to modprobe.  How do I do that?
[05:03] <cthulfuego> raz: dpkg -l
[05:03] <Octane> cthulfuego,  that sounds very elite
[05:03] <thechitowncubs> raz: aptitude
[05:03] <cthulfuego> Octane: I just can't be arsed wiping and reinstalling.
[05:03] <raz> cthulfuego, cool, thanks
[05:03] <pedlar> kestas, i'd just get it, but i'm on an amd64
[05:03] <KodeK> cthulfuego, you were the one who gave me the bios files. I tried flashing it, and everything now works fine. I guess the bios that came by default was faulty :P
[05:04] <cthulfuego> KodeK: Cool!
[05:04] <thechitowncubs> Pauly: I'm still curious as to what your problem is with xchat, i don't quite understand
[05:04] <mcking> kalias do you mean you can load them using modprobe and you need to know how to make it permanent or do you need to know how to use modprobe
[05:04] <KodeK> cthulfuego, I owe you one
[05:04] <justin> Octane: do you have an actual problem or just don't think it will work?
[05:04] <cthulfuego> KodeK: Just help some other poor bugger here at some stage ;-)
[05:04] <KodeK> cthulfuego, I'll try.
[05:04] <kestas> pedlar: hmm I see.. well I dont know where to get faad from
[05:05] <kestas> pedlar: its not in universe or anything
[05:05] <KodeK> I'm in the process of ditching windows. I love ubuntu so far.
[05:05] <Octane> ubuntu-users needs to be split up into specific groups
[05:05] <Pauly> When your in multiple channels instead of keeping it to where all of the channel labels are made smaller it will put the scroll bar (I never saw an option to change that when I was using it, but that was a while back)
[05:05] <pedlar> kestas, it's in the hoary extras
[05:05] <Octane> justin, i cant get it work
[05:05] <Pauly> Which I can't stand, requires mouse
[05:05] <kalias> mcking: well all of the above.  I am currently getting no sound out of my card.  I would like to tryout what they say in the wike before I make it permanent.
[05:05] <justin> Octane: well, why not?
[05:05] <Octane> justin, i get the sk98lin driver, and run the installer, and im not really sure what i need to do
[05:05] <pedlar> kestas, i've heard tell it's in marillat, but i'm not really sure which one of those it's in
[05:05] <Octane> justin, it says install complete, i modprobe sk98lin, and then nothing happens, eh1 doesnt appear
[05:05] <Pauly> Was also a real pain in the ass to make scripts for, kinda, also doesn't really support going back to previously viewed window too easily
[05:05] <justin> Octane: why did you "get" the driver? you already had it
[05:05] <KodeK> Anyway, does anyone know how to disable a sound card from linux? I want to disable it completely. EIther that, or make my audigy 2 my default for everything.
[05:06] <Lafitte-> could anyone help me ith a script to simply set my wireless keys ?  maybe website or readme ?
[05:06] <cthulfuego> Octane: What you do mean 'get the sk98lin driver'?
[05:06] <justin> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/sk98lin/sk98lin.ko
[05:06] <KodeK> Lafitte-, what do you need?
[05:06] <Octane> for my Marvell Yukon, its not yet supported
[05:06] <cthulfuego> KodeK: Add the audi
[05:06] <kalias> mcking: I have found the modprobe.d directory
[05:06] <kestas> pedlar: well Im not sure if marillat has deb-src repos
[05:06] <adapt> KodeK, if its onboard, just disable in the bios
[05:06] <Octane> oops sorry i lied, i dont have a marvell yukon
[05:06] <Octane> i have a Marvell 88E8053
[05:06] <KodeK> adapt, I dont want to do that, because I use it a lot in windows
[05:06] <Octane> that isnt supported yet
[05:06] <kestas> pedlar: either way I would consider just grabbing the source off the gstreamer site
[05:06] <cthulfuego> KodeK: Add the driver for the via82cxxx to the /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist file.
[05:06] <Octane> thats why i had to get the new sk98lin
[05:06] <Lafitte-> KodeK,  i need some small script to set my essid and key
[05:06] <mcking> kalias, go to the dcc chat
[05:07] <KodeK> Lafitte-, you could write your own. 2 simple lines
[05:07] <KodeK> Lafitte-, I'll PM it to you.
[05:07] <cthulfuego> Lafitte-: install wireless-tools and add the lines to /etc/network/interfaces
[05:07] <Lafitte-> KodeK,  yeah    thanks     would be super help :)
[05:07] <Lafitte-> cthulfuego,  i have it set in interfaces   just want to setup my home for fast connection \
[05:08] <justin> Octane: according to google, that is a yukon
[05:08] <misfit-toy> god I hate it when a distro installs man pages in all languages, what a waste.
[05:08] <Octane> justin, i googled the crap out of myself the past few days and that is not a yukon
[05:08] <misfit-toy> and I'm talking about FC, not UB
[05:08] <Octane> well it is maybe, but its one that is not supported
[05:08] <justin> Octane: google for Marvell 88E8053
[05:09] <justin> Octane: first result: Marvell: Yukon 88E8050 from marvell.com
[05:09] <Octane> justin,  yes i see
[05:09] <Octane> justin, but in kubuntu 5.04 install, it doesnt recognize it
[05:09] <Octane> so i had to use an old ass nic
[05:09] <Octane> 10mbi
[05:09] <Octane> t
[05:10] <Octane> http://www.marvell.com/products/pcconn/yukon/index.jsp
[05:10] <diana> s
[05:10] <Octane> its not even listed there
[05:11] <srid> any idea where can I download the Universal extra packages CD?
[05:12] <KodeK> So how do I blacklist an onboard sound card?
[05:12] <misfit-toy> KodeK, why don't you just disable it in BIOS
[05:12] <crimsun> KodeK: you append the name of the driver to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:12] <KodeK> misfit-toy, because I use it in windows.
[05:12] <pedlar> nalioth_wrkn, you around?
[05:13] <KodeK> crimsun, how can i find out the name of the driver?
[05:13] <crimsun> KodeK: cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:13] <cthulfuego> KodeK: 'lsmod' wil list it.
[05:13] <makaveli> can someone please help i just installed ubuntu and everytime i go to synaptics i type in my password and i get an error message saying "failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic child terminated with 1 status"
[05:13] <mtoledo> I was expecting ubuntu to play my dvd without problems, no deal, installing xine right now.
[05:13] <KodeK> crimsun, thank you
[05:13] <KodeK> cthulfuego, you too :)
[05:13] <KodeK> mtoledo, I got mine to play the dvds, but it's using the wrong sound card :P
[05:13] <kclowers> I am having trouble with libisccfg0 (for bind9) - apt-get says: MD5Sum mismatch
[05:13] <KodeK> mtoledo, add all the codecs (www.ubuntuguide.org)
[05:13] <crimsun> then you don't want to blacklist it, KodeK.
[05:14] <Octane> justin, ?
[05:14] <KodeK> kclowers, read the topic :P
[05:14] <crimsun> KodeK: you simply want to prevent it from becoming the primary card
[05:14] <KodeK> crimsun, how so?
[05:14] <david> hey, how can i boot to terminal?
[05:14] <mtoledo> KodeK, what do you mean, you have more then one card
[05:14] <makaveli> does anyone know what is going on with synaptic?
[05:14] <crimsun> KodeK: which driver do you not want to use as primary?
[05:14] <kclowers> sorry, and thanks for the help
[05:14] <mtoledo> KodeK, thanks for the tip
[05:14] <KodeK> mtoledo,  i have an onboard, which i use for my 5.1 speakers, and an audigy, for my 5.1 headphones
[05:15] <KodeK> crimsun, i want to disable the onboard
[05:15] <crimsun> KodeK: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:15] <david> crimsun, how to i boot to the shell w/o loading X
[05:15] <cthulfuego> Lobster magnet?
[05:15] <justin> Octane: dunno much about those cards.. can't seem to make any sense of the names or numbers.. intel cards are much simpler :-)
[05:15] <crimsun> david: search the wiki for the correct procedure for disabling a graphical display manager
[05:15] <mtoledo> KodeK, oh, got it. I have only one. hey thanks, I gotta go now, bbl, bye bye.
[05:15] <KodeK> crimsun, 0 snd_intel8x0 <--thats the evil guy
[05:16] <KodeK> cthulfuego, that's 2 people ive helped :P
[05:16] <crimsun> KodeK: so: echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:16] <cookiemonstergri> how can i change x's refresh rate in terminal?
[05:16] <Octane> justin,  totally thanks anyway man
[05:16] <david> is there a way i can boot into terminal
[05:17] <KodeK> crimsun, should i undo al lthe changes i did to alsa, etc? i did all the stuff i found in the howtos out there.
[05:17] <crimsun> KodeK: eh, some of that stuff is plain wrong
[05:17] <crimsun> KodeK: what I told you will suffice.
[05:17] <KodeK> crimsun, I'm thinking of starting my own blog, and keep commands like those :P
[05:18] <david> can someone help me with LILO??
[05:19] <bob2> abarbaccia: ?
[05:19] <bob2> david: use grub
[05:19] <KodeK> crimsun, what does that command do, exactly?
[05:19] <david> bob2, ill change to gurb later but.., how can i boot to shell
[05:19] <bob2> david: grub is the default in ubunt...
[05:20] <david> bob2, i installed with lilo
[05:20] <Severim> I got a nic that is only getting a ip6 address but no ip4 address from the dhcp, any idea why?
[05:20] <bob2> that's kinda silly
[05:20] <bob2> Severim: it got the ipv6 address before dhcp ran
[05:21] <bob2> Severim: is the dhcp server working ofr other machines?  did this work at all?
[05:21] <Severim> bob2: well it won't get an address from the router
[05:21] <Severim> bob2: all hardware and connections are good
[05:21] <bob2> Severim: is this over wireless?
[05:21] <Severim> bob2: nope
[05:21] <Severim> wired
[05:21] <crimsun> KodeK: it prevents that driver from becoming the primary one, as I stated above
[05:21] <Severim> different os boots on the system are online
[05:21] <KodeK> crimsun, how, though?
[05:21] <bob2> Severim: can you assign the ip and such statically and have it work?
[05:22] <david> wow, is there anything i can press at boot to boot into shell and not X
[05:22] <Severim> bob2: does not work
[05:22] <crimsun> KodeK: it uses a bitmask to deprioritise negative indices.
[05:22] <bob2> Severim: sure you'e doing it right?
[05:22] <KodeK> crimsun, should i reboot the machine?
[05:22] <Severim> bob2: loopback has both but the nic does not, could it be a nic driver compatibility issue?
[05:22] <crimsun> KodeK: you may if you wish.
[05:22] <AnObfuscator> Is there a major difference between installing from a live cd and installing from an install cd...?
[05:22] <KodeK> be right back, peeps :)
[05:23] <bob2> Severim: I'd be surprised.  what sort of nic is it?
[05:23] <Severim> bob2: positive unless if there was more to the ubuntu install than any other linux os?
[05:23] <Severim> bob2: cnet some generic ne2k compatible nic I believe
[05:23] <bob2> ah
[05:23] <bob2> plz: come on dude, retain your dignity
[05:24] <plz> i need help :(
[05:24] <bob2> you can't really asked a question anyone can answer yet
[05:24] <bob2> er, "haven't"
[05:25] <bob2> Severim: is the interface up?
[05:25] <Severim> david: at the lilo slection screen highlight the os you want to boot and press a and set it to 1
[05:25] <Severim> them boot
[05:25] <DrToast> hi, where do I got to report a firestarter bug? the lauchpad?
[05:25] <KodeK> crimsun, now even sound events are coming out of the wrong sound card :/
[05:25] <david> severim, im not given a menu, it just boots into linux
[05:25] <Severim> david no bootloader?
[05:25] <bob2> DrToast: yes
[05:26] <david> it says LILO but no menu
[05:26] <DrToast> ok thx
[05:26] <crimsun> KodeK: didn't you say you wanted the onboard to _not_ be the one used?
[05:26] <KodeK> crimsun, exactly.
[05:26] <Severim> david: hit the up and down arrow keys keys
[05:26] <david> k let me try that brb
[05:26] <Severim> so bob2: any idea about the nic issue?
[05:26] <crimsun> KodeK: paste the output from ,,tail -5 /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base'' onto pastebin
[05:26] <bob2> Severim: is the interface up?
[05:27] <crimsun> KodeK: it sounds like one of the how-tos you followed screwed something
[05:27] <Severim> bob2: according to the network settings it is active
[05:27] <KodeK> crimsun, yup, i guess so. but xine is using the right card now :)
[05:27] <KodeK> hmm, 5.1 headphones goodness :P
[05:28] <bob2> hm, I don't know enough about that gui thing
[05:28] <Severim> bob2: if set to static it takes the ip address but does not go anywhere, no ping out
[05:28] <crimsun> KodeK: did you paste it to pastebin?
[05:28] <KodeK> crimsun, paste what?
[05:31] <KodeK> crimsun, now, if i wanted to undo the changes, i could either delete that one line from alsa-base, or could i do =2?
[05:31] <KodeK> crimsun, to undo the =-2
[05:32] <Lafitte--> KodeK,  used dhclient eth0  and worked great
[05:32] <mtoledo> KodeK, error reading nav packet, looks like it's an encrypted dvd.
[05:32] <KodeK> Lafitte-, yeah, ifup restores settings.
[05:32] <Lafitte--> KodeK,  you was right when  it cycles interfaces the other way
[05:32] <KodeK> mtoledo, say what?
[05:32] <crimsun> KodeK: I gave you a command that outputs the last 5 lines from /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[05:32] <crimsun> KodeK: did you paste that content onto pastebin.com?
[05:33] <KodeK> crimsun, i thought the command you gave me added a line to alsa-base
[05:33] <KodeK> crimsun, ohh, i see it now, one second
[05:33] <Fedora2> Is anyone familiar with this simple task?  I am attempting to display text BEFORE the user login prompt.  On other NIX systems this is done using the /etc/issue file.  In Fedora this does not appear to be the case.
[05:33] <mtoledo> KodeK, installed what the section dvd playback capability, but totem gave me the same error, gxine shows the first screen asking for the language, when I choose one, comes the error.
[05:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> will gmail ever have a calendar and all that jazz?
[05:34] <KodeK> mtoledo, try using xine :D thats what im using right now. apt-get install xine-ui
[05:34] <Severim> Fedora2: go to the login screen and modify there
[05:34] <mtoledo> KodeK, ok, installing
[05:34] <KodeK> crimsun, pastebin died with a sql error :P
[05:35] <pedlar> sql=nasty
[05:35] <Severim> the one under preferences
[05:35] <pedlar> but useful
[05:35] <mtoledo> KodeK, also reading a suse mailing list thread, someone says that this problem is the missing of libdvdcss 1.2.1 >
[05:35] <KodeK> mtoledo, i thought you said you added that
[05:35] <crimsun> KodeK: so paste it elsewhere
[05:35] <Fedora2> Fedora2: go to the login screen and modify there
[05:35] <Fedora2> What file?
[05:35] <mtoledo> KodeK, but I did
[05:35] <KodeK> crimsun, any other sites like that?
[05:36] <Severim> fedora2: no file in gnome
[05:36] <crimsun> KodeK: tons. Try pastebin.ca or ubuntupastebin.com
[05:36] <KodeK> ok
[05:36] <Severim> fedora2: if you are really curious it will be somewhere in /etc
[05:36] <mtoledo> KodeK, "libdvdcss2 is already the newest version."
[05:36] <djs> Fedora2:  Is /etc/motd what you're looking for?
[05:36] <Severim> ooh
[05:37] <KodeK> crimsun, http://pastebin.ca/14446
[05:37] <crimsun> KodeK: did you muck with an ~/.asoundrc ?
[05:38] <mtoledo> KodeK, same error with xine, error reading nav packet! :(
[05:38] <KodeK> crimsun, no
[05:38] <crimsun> "wrong speakers" sounds a lot like you plugged your speakers into the wrong jacks, or you messed with some settings per-application
[05:38] <KodeK> mtoledo, is your dvd dirty? i had the same error, and when i cleaned it, it worked :P
[05:38] <KodeK> mtoledo, and that was about an hour ago
[05:39] <bhartman> Hi, everyone.  I'm trying to install Firefox 1.0.4, but my Ubuntu install doesn't seem to want to run it.  I installed it, but it keeps launching 1.0.2 instead of 1.0.4.  How do I kill the old version to let the new version run?
[05:40] <mtoledo> KodeK, that's not the problem, it's the cdrom/dvd stupid cache.
[05:40] <Severim> bhartman: probably do an apt-get update
[05:40] <mtoledo> KodeK, you gota open and input the cd again. now it worked. thanks!
[05:40] <metzen> i keep getting alot of md5sum errors when trying to apt-get upgrade, is it a problem on my end or is there a known problem with a repo right now?
[05:40] <bhartman> thanks, Severim.  I'll give that a shot.
[05:41] <rob^> bhartman, horay has 1.0.4, but its just been patched from 1.0.2
[05:41] <KodeK> crimsun, I know how to fix it. I set it to use the 1th sound device, which is now my onboard drive. :D
[05:41] <Severim> bhartman: np
[05:41] <KodeK> mtoledo, i guess thats it :)
[05:41] <KodeK> mtoledo, hahah
[05:41] <rob^> bhartman, so it still says 1.0.2 but it isnt
[05:41] <crimsun> KodeK: heh, so user error? :p
[05:41] <mtoledo> KodeK, cool, im gonna watch it, bye bye and thanks.
[05:41] <KodeK> crimsun, pebkac
[05:41] <Severim> wish there were more linux extensions for firefox
[05:41] <bhartman> rob^:  Okay, so it's 1.0.4, even though it says 1.0.2?
[05:42] <rob^> bhartman, yes
[05:42] <KodeK> crimsun, now i can move to my bigger project. get counter-strike source to work in linux
[05:42] <bhartman> Thanks, rob^.  :)  That's a relief.
[05:42] <rob^> np
[05:42] <Severim> go into firefox and about ant that tells you the version
[05:42] <metzen> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libc/libcairo/libcairo1_0.3.0-1_i386.deb  MD5Sum mismatch,     im getting this error repeatedly
[05:43] <bhartman> Severim:  That's what I did, but it reports 1.0.2.  That's why I was confused.
[05:43] <KodeK> metzen, read the topic :D
[05:43] <metzen> ooooo
[05:43] <meredith> trying to get java working in hoary. i added java to the source.list like the wiki howto said but it can't find it
[05:43] <metzen> thanks KodeK
[05:43] <KodeK> i love helping people by saying that :)
[05:43] <Severim> bhartman: oh well you can check for updates, wont hurt
[05:43] <meredith> can anybody help me get java applets working in firefox?
[05:43] <rob^> Severim, no, in horay its wrong
[05:43] <Severim> rob: oh thats pretty retarded
[05:44] <Severim> misversioned
[05:44] <raz> Anyone having disconnection probs. with GAYm?
[05:44] <rob^> Severim, see the addons.mozilla.org
[05:44] <bhartman> Thanks, Severim .  Thanks, everyone.  Looks like I got Ubuntu running in one night (a record for a Linux distro, actually). :)
[05:44] <Amaranth> raz: Please don't talk like that.
[05:45] <Severim> bhartman: np
[05:45] <raz> Amaranth, typo.
[05:45] <bhartman> 'Night, all.
[05:45] <Severim> night
[05:46] <ecliptik> anyone ever get an ati mobility m3 to work with tvout?
[05:46] <Severim> rob: oh man, hehe I need to update firefox
[05:47] <HillTop> Severim, what is the problem with Firefox??
[05:48] <rob^> Severim, maybe not, see the bug report on that page I gave you
[05:49] <vladuz976> hey, can anyone help, my ubuntu is not shutting down anymore
[05:49] <bob2> what's changed since it worked?
[05:49] <youch> there's no spamassassin package?
[05:50] <vladuz976> nothing really?
[05:50] <levander> Any graphics cards with better Linux support than nvidia or ati that specialize in video graphics?  And, don't barely care about 3d?
[05:50] <vladuz976> i had windows only then put ubuntu on there
[05:50] <bob2> youch: sure there is
[05:50] <bob2> vladuz976: so, it used to work, you changed nothing, and now it doesn't?
[05:51] <bob2> levander: the intel chipsests seem to work well
[05:51] <bob2> levander: as do older matrox ones, but no 3d without binary drivers (iirc)
[05:51] <levander> bob2: you know if they do anything special for video? like the ati and new nvidia one's do?
[05:51] <vladuz976> bob2, like i said i installed ubuntu that is the only change that has occured
[05:51] <levander> bob2: video like in htpc, using it for television
[05:51] <bob2> levander: how do you mean?
[05:51] <bob2> levander: oh, like tv out?
[05:52] <vladuz976> actually i had tried mandriva too and that had the same problem
[05:52] <bob2> vladuz976: er, so ubuntu never managed to power off?
[05:52] <levander> bob2: nvidia has special features in the GeForce 6, called PureVideo, to make the video look better
[05:52] <vladuz976> yes, it hangs
[05:52] <vladuz976> last thing is says is something like kill signals sent
[05:52] <vladuz976> i think
[05:52] <bob2> vladuz976: how old is it?
[05:53] <HillTop> Severim, I had themes and extensions (1.0.2 wanting 1.0.4) and got this advise: Try changing general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4 in about:config. Then restart Firefox.
[05:53] <levander> bob2: yeah, kinda like tv out, but more than just a port on the back of the card, actual video processing in the card itself, hardware decoding plus advanced algorithms to process video
[05:53] <bob2> levander: this sounds like marketing fluff, to be honest :)
[05:53] <vladuz976> bob2: the distro?
[05:53] <Amaranth> HillTop: So do that.
[05:53] <bob2> levander: I don't know of anyone else doing it, tho
[05:53] <bob2> vladuz976: the computer
[05:53] <bob2> vladuz976: what year is it from?
[05:53] <vladuz976> bob2, motherboard maybe 3months and processor a year
[05:54] <HillTop> The advise worked!
[05:54] <KodeK> How can I set up gaim to show the buddy list when I hit ctrl+shift+s?
[05:54] <levander> bob2: no, there really are algorithms to process video to make it look better, and you can really decode mpeg in hardware
[05:54] <levander> bob2: hardware decoding offloads it off the processor
[05:54] <bob2> levander: yeah, I know, but decoding mpeg isn't that cpu intensive these days
[05:54] <levander> bob2: with hdtv it is
[05:54] <bob2> levander: even mpeg-4
[05:55] <bob2> hm, ok, you sound like you've done more research than me
[05:55] <bob2> my p4 2.8 doesn't even sweat when deciding hires xvid or theora, tho
[05:55] <Amaranth> bob2: h.264 at HD resolutions is horrible
[05:55] <levander> bob2: okay, i'll looking into it more, some articles i've read have said to make sure to get hardware decoding, but you know, i've never seen a dvd player peg the cpu... mayber your right
[05:55] <Amaranth> bob2: a top of the line PowerMac G5 can just barely get 30fps playing 1080p
[05:55] <bob2> Amaranth: isn't HDTV just mpeg-2?
[05:56] <vladuz976> bob2, no idea as to what might be going on?
[05:56] <Amaranth> bob2: HDTV is just a resolution :)
[05:56] <bob2> vladuz976: "sudo modprobe ac", then try powering it off
[05:56] <Amaranth> bob2: But the format everyone seems to love now is h.264
[05:56] <bob2> Amaranth: hm, I thought the hdtv standard used mpeg-2
[05:56] <bob2> Amaranth: ah
[05:56] <bob2> levander: ok, it seems I'm way out of data and wrong, don't mine me
[05:56] <vladuz976> bob2, what exactly does that do, please?
[05:57] <levander> Amaranth: you've heard of any good graphics cards for video that have Linux support?
[05:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> bob2, gotta keep up with the Jobses, h264 is the current hotness
[05:57] <bob2> vladuz976: it loads the ac module, which is the acpi module to powerdown the system on halt
[05:57] <vladuz976> bob2, but will that fix my problem?
[05:58] <bob2> vladuz976: I'd think so
[05:58] <matjan_> hi, i have a problem getting my video card working correctly, can someone help me please?
[05:58] <Amaranth> matjan_: What kind of card?
[05:59] <matjan_> ati radeon 9200 se
[05:59] <KodeK> heh, how did i know it was an ati?
[05:59] <bob2> what isn't working?
[05:59] <Amaranth> matjan_: Should have worked out of the box.
[05:59] <bob2> it should work out of the box
[05:59] <KodeK> first things first, did you download all the updates?
[05:59] <matjan_> nope... it didn't
[05:59] <vladuz976> bob2, so that is not just some command that forces it to shut down that time?
[05:59] <bob2> vladuz976: no
[05:59] <matjan_> left and right edges are curved and can't set the refresh rate higher
[06:00] <bob2> are yo usure the monitor is ok?
[06:00] <matjan_> it's at 60hz in ubuntu... but at 75hz in win2k
[06:00] <disasm> matjan_: left and right edges curved, thats the monitor
[06:00] <matjan_> really... all works fine in windows....
[06:00] <vladuz976> bob2, thanks for your help I will try that
[06:01] <disasm> matjan_: play with your monitor settings, if it has an autodetect button click it
[06:01] <matjan_> what do i need to change for the monitor to work properly then?
[06:01] <levander> you guys think xvidtune would help matjan_, only kind of remember what it does myself
[06:02] <matjan_> disasm: where do i do that? (sorry, newbie...)
[06:02] <bob2> I'd guess matjan_'s monitor gave misleading DDC output
[06:02] <matjan_> levander: xvidtune?
[06:02] <disasm> matjan_: you should have buttons on your monitor to modify the settings, should be menu, or if its an old one a bunch of buttons that adjust the shape and size of picture
[06:02] <matjan_> right
[06:02] <matjan_> it's that???
[06:02] <capi> I'm trying to apt-get apache2, but i'm getting a `MD5Sum mismatch' error from the universe repo? Anyone know how to fix it?
[06:02] <levander> matjan_: xvidtune lets you interactively play with your X settings
[06:03] <matjan_> disasm: then why is all working fine in win2k?
[06:03] <bob2> capi: /ytopic
[06:03] <levander> matjan_: takes some fumbling with it to figure it out, say about 30 minutes to get good at it
[06:03] <bob2> er, /topic
[06:03] <disasm> matjan_: different resolution maybe?
[06:03] <levander> matjan_: not sure it'll help you though
[06:03] <kvidell> weeeee
[06:03] <kvidell> my room's gunna get WARM
[06:03] <matjan_> no, also at 1024x768
[06:03] <kvidell> I'm compiling my kernel the old fashion way with make... but I'm running it make -j4
[06:03] <matjan_> levander:ok
[06:03] <capi> sorry bob2, didn't see that.
[06:04] <kvidell> this's gunna be fun ;)
[06:04] <Amaranth> matjan_: How old is your monitor? Was it turned on when you turned the computer on?
[06:04] <DrToast> matjan_ have you tried System->Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[06:04] <matjan_> monitor is 4.5 years old
[06:04] <matjan_> it was turned on
[06:04] <matjan_> drtoast: yes
[06:05] <levander> i bet matrox has pretty good video support in their cards, they were always well respected and never gave a flip about 3d performance because most people don't use it
[06:06] <matjan_> anyways... i tried to manually configure the card.... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=RV280
[06:06] <levander> and as I remember it, they've never had proprietary drivers in linux
[06:06] <bob2> they do indeed have proprietary drivers
[06:06] <matjan_> i already get stuck at step 1 :-s
[06:06] <caonex> initrd does not work until you install the base system, right? I am asking because i am installing from knoppix and i restarted before installing the base system and got the error unable to locate initrd and unable to mount scsi devices.
[06:06] <bob2> especially for the 550
[06:06] <caonex> so my guess is that for os other than ext3 and reiserfs you need the base-configm, right?
[06:07] <levander> bob2: you sure, it's been awhile, but I remember redhat's rpm configure my matrox g400 without me installing anything but XFree stuff at all.  I can't be positive though
[06:07] <DrToast> matjan_, I'm guessing the problem is the monitor wsan't detected properly, but who knows, it could be the driver
[06:07] <bob2> yes, but the g550 at least had proprietary drivers
[06:07] <pibarnas> Hi people! I've done a "modprobe emu10k1" but nothing happened. I still have no sound in gnome.
[06:08] <Bicchi> Why does ubuntu have their own version of firefox. I am trying to upgrade to version 1.0.4 but it does not let me. I am using 1.0.2 which i have upgrade using apt-get upgrade.
[06:08] <matjan_> drtoast: i checked the xorg.conf file... it said generic if i remember correctly
[06:08] <bob2> Bicchi: oh man
[06:08] <rob^> doh!
[06:08] <pibarnas> It seems some software is blocking the card sound...
[06:09] <disasm> caonex: what does knoppix have to do with ubuntu?
[06:09] <bob2> disasm: caonex is using it to fix his/her ubuntu system
[06:09] <bob2> pibarnas: er, have you checked that?
[06:09] <disasm> bob2: ah, ok
[06:09] <bob2> pibarnas: and you shouldn't need to load emu10k1
[06:09] <cthulfuego> The G400 and G450 also prefer the proprietary drivers (mga_hal)
[06:09] <Stereo> Hello
[06:09] <disasm> caonex: sorry for jumping to conclusions
[06:09] <DrToast> yeah it says it on mine too
[06:09] <caonex> disasm, nothing, hehe ah ok
[06:09] <Stereo> ubuntu rocks and you're all fantastic people. That is all.
[06:10] <Stereo> and, uh, thank you :)
[06:10] <caonex> disasm, i would not be crazy to come in here and talk about something else, if it was not related ;)
[06:10] <DrToast> you wouldn't happen to know the horizontal sync of that monitor would you?
[06:10] <rob^> Bicchi bhartman rob^:  Okay, so it's 1.0.4, even though it says 1.0.2?
[06:10] <rob^> rob^ bhartman, yes
[06:10] <caonex> bob2, any idea about my question?
[06:10] <matjan_> drtoast: ok, what video card do you have?
[06:10] <mcking> Bicchi: that's been a discussion for a while now
[06:10] <caonex> bob2, it is probably how i think it is.
[06:11] <DrToast> radeon 9000
[06:11] <disasm> pibarnas: try alsamixer does it bring up mixer controls for sound?
[06:11] <caonex> bob2, you need libc6 for initrd, right?
[06:11] <yonil> is there a better cd/dvd burning application for gnome than gnome-baker ? it really doesnt seem to work too well .. k3b worked great on kde ..
[06:11] <bob2> caonex: I think you're highly screwed and would save a lot of time by reinstalling
[06:11] <Bicchi> mcking rob^: so why it still shows 1.0.2 in the about page.
[06:11] <bob2> caonex: that question doesn't make sense
[06:11] <caonex> bob2, i cannot that is the thing.
[06:11] <matjan_> dr toast: and it's working properly for you?
[06:11] <rob^> Bicchi, it just does
[06:11] <caonex> bob2, i am doing it all using ssh. My dad is far away and no cd-burner
[06:11] <rob^> Bicchi, its been patched to 1.0.4 though
[06:11] <DrToast> yup 1024x768 75Hz and this is a crappy monitor
[06:12] <caonex> bob2, only cd he have been having for a long time, longer than ubuntu is a knoppix live cd
[06:12] <mcking> Bicchi: it has the security patch from 1.0.4
[06:12] <cthulfuego> caonex: You need libc6 for _everything_ except the kenrel itself.
[06:12] <caonex> bob2, that is why i chose this way, otherwise i would have done it like you suggested.
[06:12] <matjan_> damn, why is it not working for me??
[06:12] <caonex> cthulfuego, so probably i am right about the question i asked earlier.
[06:12] <matjan_> i guess it must be the driver then...
[06:12] <Bicchi> mcking rob^: i did the ubuntu bug fix where i changed the about:config to show version 1.0.4 so that i can get new extentions.
[06:12] <DrToast> not necessarily
[06:13] <cthulfuego> caonex: if the question was "Did I fuck up and do i need to reinstall"
[06:13] <caonex> cthulfuego, bob2, i going to have to edit one of the how tos in ubuntu forums then
[06:13] <mcking> Bicchi: but it still show itself as 1.0.2 so mozilla.org barfs on extensions :(
[06:13] <yonil> you guys ?
[06:13] <DrToast> when it sets up your monitor it tries to detect what the max refresh rate is
[06:13] <caonex> cthulfuego, nope, that was far from it.
[06:13] <matjan_> ok...
[06:13] <caonex> cthulfuego, is not messed up.
[06:13] <DrToast> so it could be that your monitor wasn't in the database or something
[06:13] <matjan_> could i set that manually to 75hx then?
[06:13] <yonil> is there another dvd burning app for gnome besides baker ??
[06:13] <caonex> cthulfuego, it is perfectly fine, i just restarted before installing the base system
[06:13] <mcking> the about:config thing works
[06:13] <matjan_> \right
[06:13] <caonex> cthulfuego, i just had grub and the kernel image installed
[06:14] <Amaranth> DrToast: Not a database, it asks the monitor what it supports.
[06:14] <matjan_> because right now, i only get 60hz as an option...
[06:14] <DrToast> in the xorg.conf file in the monitor section is there a "option DPMS" line?
[06:14] <Bicchi> mcking rob^: so who gets to change the version number, ubuntu or mozilla. i mean who changes the code to fix the problem.
[06:14] <caonex> cthulfuego, as suggested in one of the tutorials in ubuntu.com, however, that is with ext3 and a pata, i have a sata and a couple of scsi, which probably require initrd which requires baseconfig
[06:14] <Octane> anyone get adobe acrobat reader 7 working with amd64?
[06:14] <vinux> 60hz! ouch
[06:14] <matjan_> can't tell you right now... i'm in win2k... modem doesn't work....
[06:14] <odie5533> What widget does Firefox use?
[06:15] <caonex> cthulfuego, i am finishing installing the base system now, and i will reinstall the kernel just to make sure it is fine and then voila, all fine!
[06:15] <DrToast> Amaranth, isn't that only if the monitor is plug and play?
[06:15] <mcking> odie5533: it uses gtk and its own xul rendering
[06:15] <vladuz976> anybody know why there is no root in ubuntu?
[06:15] <odie5533> is GTK good to use? What does it use on windows?
[06:15] <caonex> cthulfuego, he is suggesting to reboot and then install base-config new....which may not apply to everybody, so i think i will add that comment to the howto
[06:16] <flodine> can someone tell me why i only get 60hz from ubuntu
[06:16] <kvidell> 60hz?
[06:16] <mcking> vladuz976: supposed to make it more secure or something
[06:16] <kvidell> did you tell the installer you were running it on a graphing calculator?
[06:16] <disasm> caonex: i'm curious can you give me that link for what your doing?
[06:16] <odie5533> mcking: is GTK good to use? What does it use on windows?
[06:16] <DrToast> ok, well its hard to say
[06:17] <caonex> disasm, yes, i can.
[06:17] <mcking> odie5533: built in windows MFC
[06:17] <pibarnas_> Well, I have 2 sound cards (1 onboard and 1 off - SB Live!), and alsamixer manage both, and their volumes are high, but there's no sound!
[06:17] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Incidentally, i added a cron jon to kill and restart the bot every night.
[06:17] <sandip> anyone here knows how to stop btdownload.p from seeding after a while?
[06:17] <flodine> kvidell yeah resolution  refresh rate 60 hz
[06:17] <caonex> disasm, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[06:17] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: it seems to somehow lose its connection to mysql.
[06:17] <kvidell> OH
[06:17] <kvidell> hah >.> sorry
[06:17] <DrToast> but your card is better than mine, so it should work
[06:18] <DrToast> oh man flodine
[06:18] <matjan_> right...
[06:18] <flodine> what
[06:18] <flodine> what
[06:18] <DrToast> seems like its a common problem
[06:18] <matjan_> flodine seems to have the same problem i have
[06:18] <mcking> kalias: you're back!  did it work?
[06:18] <caonex> disasm, if you need to use that, be careful because not all that may apply to you, like in my case.
[06:19] <flodine> yeah ive never seen higher then 65hz
[06:19] <DrToast> what resolution are you running flodine ?
[06:19] <pibarnas_> when I click on a sound file, I get an error message saying there's a software blocking the sound card...
[06:19] <flodine> 1900x1200
[06:19] <kalias> mcking: sort of.  I got bongos on startup but xmms and cd player both hang.
[06:19] <mcking> hm
[06:19] <matjan_> wow
[06:19] <kvidell> esd is stealing control of your sound card
[06:19] <bob2> flodine: youre still here?  no one replied to your post to the mailing list?
[06:19] <pibarnas_> hummm.
[06:19] <DrToast> if you lower the resolution can you get a better refresh?
[06:19] <flodine> bob2 i got it fixed
[06:20] <pibarnas_> And do you know how can I fix it?
[06:20] <mcking> kalias: go to xms prefs and make sure it is using esd output plugin
[06:20] <mcking> xmms
[06:20] <flodine> just my refresh rate at 60hz is that good
[06:21] <levander> DrToast: sometimes
[06:21] <mcking> or use muine instead :)
[06:21] <DrToast> matjan_, you said you can't get online when your booted into linux?
[06:21] <_magog_> im pleased with myself, i finally got DR17 goin, im in it now and man do i love it
[06:21] <levander> flodine: no, you prolly see some flick at 60Hz
[06:21] <disasm> caonex: how far are you into the page?
[06:21] <kalias> mcking: xmms is quite hung, I can do anything with it.
[06:21] <flodine> levander yes very little
[06:21] <matjan_> yup... my dsl modem card is kind of obsolete
[06:22] <mcking> in a terminal type "killall xmms"
[06:22] <pibarnas_> But I can't get sound on gnome?
[06:22] <mcking> kalias: if that doesn'e cut it, then "killall -9 xmms"
[06:22] <kalias> mcking: done
[06:22] <disasm> pibarnas_: is esd running?
[06:22] <DrToast> ahhh... that's too bad
[06:22] <matjan_> so people suggested me to try ndiswrapper
[06:22] <kalias> mcking: it is dead
[06:22] <mcking> kalias: cool
[06:23] <randabis> I don't think you need the -9 mcking
[06:23] <kalias> mcking: I will start it up again.
[06:23] <pibarnas_> esd can be selected in gnome multimedia selector
[06:23] <levander> flodine: if you've only got like 800x600 resolution, you want at least 75Hz.  For higher than that resolution, you want 85Hz.
[06:23] <flodine> guys can i edit my xorg for better refresh rate
[06:23] <DrToast> yeah ndiswrapper would work, but its a lot of effort to get going
[06:23] <mcking> start it up without a song and go to the prefs
[06:23] <levander> flodine: you can, but luckily, i've never had to, it's kind of a bitch to do
[06:23] <pibarnas_> alsa gets an error on gnome multimedia selector.
[06:23] <flodine> ok
[06:23] <mcking> randabis: if it doesn't die nicely, then use -9 to kill it "not nicely"
[06:24] <matjan_> drtoast: right, but that's what i'm stuck with i'm afraid
[06:24] <DrToast> flodine, how big is your monitor?
[06:24] <flodine> 24 inchs
[06:24] <zachary> hey can i get some help
[06:24] <matjan_> but first this monitor thing
[06:24] <disasm> pibarnas_: is it running though? hint: ps aux|grep esd
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> I'm upgrading to breezy :)
[06:24] <DrToast> wow
[06:24] <mcking> DrToast: ndiswrapper is easy to get started
[06:24] <cthulfuego> thechitowncubs: don't
[06:24] <matjan_> mcking: you use it?
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> cthulfuego: is there a specific reason?
[06:25] <cthulfuego> thechitowncubs: it's broken. See /topic
[06:25] <kalias> mcking: how do I get it off the task bar.  I hit a wrong button.
[06:25] <DrToast> matjan_,  well for the monitor thing it would be nice to see what's in the xorg.conf file
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> i know, i see the topic, but is there something that doesn't work specifically?
[06:25] <mcking> kalias: is it still running?
[06:25] <mcking> kalias: xmms i meas
[06:25] <mcking> kalias: xmms i measn
[06:25] <flodine> Drtoast i dont know what to do looks good just the refresh rate is 60hz
[06:25] <mcking> kalias: xmms i mean
[06:25] <thechitowncubs> And i just did it but i didn't reboot yet, is there anyway i can "downgrade"
[06:26] <matjan_> drtoast: ok, i'll go into linux and copy it to a text file and come back, alright?
[06:26] <pibarnas_> I don't have xmms.
[06:26] <kalias> mcking: yes, it is back.  I am just looking for the plugin you described.
[06:26] <levander> mmm, the only thing officially supported by X.org it looks like is the intel chips
[06:26] <DrToast> ok sounds good
[06:26] <matjan_> cool
[06:26] <matjan_> be back in a minute
[06:26] <levander> oh wait, nm, i read that wrong
[06:26] <zachary> the  problem: i'm trying to burn a cd with an external cd burner using GnomeBaker, the error: the mount point(e.g. /mnt/cdrom) for the writing device could not be obtained. Please check that the writing device has an entry in /etc/fstab and then go to prefrences and rescan for devices
[06:26] <kalias> mcking: where is preferences on this thing?
[06:26] <zachary> never mind
[06:27] <DrToast> flodine, if you lower the resolution to like 1280x1024 does it let you set a higher refresh
[06:27] <zachary> i guess it says its "baking"
[06:27] <flodine> DrToast no
[06:27] <mcking> kalias: right click anywhere not on a button is the menu for xmms
[06:27] <mcking> kalias: it's weird
[06:27] <DrToast> that's weird
[06:27] <flodine> DrToast better videocard
[06:28] <sandip> anyone here knows how to stop btdownload.py from seeding after a while?
[06:28] <mcking> kalias: i don't even have xmms installed. going form memory
[06:28] <levander> does X.org have any technology for video like it has DRI for graphics?
[06:28] <kalias> mcking: okay got it. select the esound plugin?
[06:28] <mcking> levander: the Xv extension (Xvideo)
[06:28] <mcking> kalias: ya
[06:28] <cthulfuego> thechitowncubs: Specifically, X.
[06:28] <cthulfuego> levander: v4l
[06:28] <thechitowncubs> If you're using breezy don't apt-get upgrade for a couple weeks, the C++ transition is starting. MAJOR BREAKAGE!
[06:28] <disasm> zachary: try ls -lh /dev/cdrom
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> What consists of a C++ transition?
[06:29] <DrToast> if it supports 1900x1200 60Hz it should support 1280x1024 75Hz at least
[06:29] <mcking> kalias: esound lets more than one program play sound at a time
[06:29] <cthulfuego> thechitowncubs: New compiler and libs undoubtedly.
[06:29] <kalias> mcking: no luck xmms still locks up.
[06:29] <mcking> thechitowncubs: going from gcc3.x to gcc4.0 with a totally incompatible c++ lib
[06:29] <zachary> disas: i think its working
[06:29] <levander> what's better v41 or xv?
[06:29] <thechitowncubs> oh, breezy is going to use GCC 4 packages?
[06:29] <mcking> kalias: hrm
[06:29] <cthulfuego> thechitowncubs: Thing is, if you don't at least check the wiki and/or here BEFORE starting with breezy, you shouldn't be using it.
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> haha, i know, i just wanted to try it, its on a secondary machine so no worries
[06:30] <kvidell> I lovers breezy
[06:30] <flodine> DrToast i just looked at dells book im only going to get 60hz from 1900x1200
[06:30] <kalias> mcking: no fun eh?
[06:30] <thechitowncubs> cthulfuego: if i change my repositories back to hoary and perform a dist-upgrade, will it work?
[06:31] <mcking> kalias: :)
[06:31] <odie5533> mcking: What is builtin MFC?
[06:31] <kalias> mcking: :)
[06:31] <flodine> DrToast i guess it helps to read
[06:31] <kvidell> thechitowncubs: No.
[06:31] <DrToast> yeah it takes a lot of time to put that many pixels on the screen
[06:31] <thechitowncubs> damn, why not?
[06:31] <kvidell> because, the packages in breezy are newer
[06:31] <flodine> lol
[06:31] <kvidell> you can't "upgrade" to an older version
[06:31] <DrToast> so if you lower the res you should be able to raise the refresh
[06:31] <kvidell> pinning doesn't even really work
[06:31] <rob^> kvidell, yes you can, using pegging
[06:31] <mcking> odie5533: think of it as gtk for windows (it is built in to windows and 99% of windwos apps useit)
[06:32] <rob^> or pinning rather
[06:32] <zachary> upgrading to older versions is my speciality
[06:32] <kvidell> rob^: it's dirty and I don't recomend it :-P
[06:32] <zachary> haha
[06:32] <mcking> odie5533: if you use visual studio then you are using mfc
[06:32] <rob^> kvidell, also true
[06:32] <thechitowncubs> i'm gonna try it
[06:32] <odie5533> mcking: Is it crosscompatible with gtk? Or do I need to code for Windows and for GTK on linux?
[06:32] <mcking> odie5533: two different worlds, my friend
[06:33] <mcking> odie5533: different window models and totally different ways of hooling up the code to the widgets
[06:33] <gpd> Qt has Windows + Linux + OSX
[06:33] <signius> The terminal that ubuntu use is it possibel to change the File menu short cut of f10 ?
[06:33] <mcking> odie5533: you can use another tookit, though
[06:33] <mcking> odie5533: or use gtk for windows
[06:33] <odie5533> Why does firefox not use another?
[06:33] <DrToast> yeah and there is a port of gtk for windows
[06:33] <DrToast> tho it kinda sucks
[06:33] <signius> f10 clashes with almost every app that run in a terminal
[06:33] <mcking> odie5533: or use wxwidgets (nice)
[06:34] <odie5533> GAIM uses the port... its ok, but it seems bulky
[06:34] <odie5533> wxwidgets works on linux and windows?
[06:34] <disasm> odie5533: so does gimp ;-)
[06:34] <odie5533> and so does qt?
[06:34] <mcking> odie5533: wxwidgets looks exactly like the host (gtk on linux and mfc on windows)
[06:34] <gpd> nobody likes Qt as they want _money_ / licences
[06:34] <strider> can someone please point me in the right direction? each time ubuntu automatically mounts my cd-rw/dvd rom in Compaq Presario 2100, it opens consecutively 6 windows and places six cdrom drive icons on the desktop. I keep googling but I did no find yet any useful info.
[06:34] <DrToast> yeah but you gotta pay to use qy on windows
[06:34] <DrToast> err qt
[06:34] <odie5533> Why does anyone use anything but wxWidgets then...
[06:34] <mcking> qt would be great on windows, except for the $1000 per seat
[06:35] <mcking> odie5533: different strokes
[06:35] <thechitowncubs> qt sucks :_
[06:35] <thechitowncubs> :)
[06:35] <signius> f10 doesnt appear to be listed in the shortcut keys
[06:35] <DrToast> harder to use? I don't know
[06:35] <odie5533> Do you code in any of them mcking?
[06:35] <gpd> that is commercial they have gpd version which is free
[06:35] <signius> ok found it
[06:35] <signius> was being dumb
[06:35] <mcking> odie5533: besides, wx is built on top of gtk (in linux)
[06:35] <kvidell> I only have QT installed because I like using xconfig when I'm setting up kernel configs to compile
[06:35] <signius> sorry about that
[06:35] <signius> it was driving me frigging nuts though
[06:35] <DrToast> there's a gconfig too kvidell
[06:36] <kvidell> oh ya?
[06:36] <mcking> odie5533: i've done some in house work in both wx and (py)gtk
[06:36] <DrToast> yeah
[06:36] <DrToast> i never use it though
[06:36] <kvidell> i use menuconfig if I have to
[06:36] <DrToast> menuconfig all the way
[06:36] <odie5533> Which do you prefer mcking?
[06:36] <kvidell> Menuconfig's not bad, just somedays I feel lazy and want to click on things :)
[06:36] <kvidell> like when it's the sixth recompile of a broken ass debian <IP_ADDRESS> system *grumbles*
[06:36] <mcking> odie5533: they both have their strengths, but i think that wx keeps each platform's "feel" much better
[06:37] <DrToast> i'm just too used to menuconfig to change
[06:37] <kvidell> :)
[06:37] <odie5533> mcking: where can I get wxwidgets and learn to use it?
[06:37] <mcking> odie5533: apt-get install wxgtk   :)
[06:37] <signius> how do you remove programs that you have installed using apt-get ?
[06:37] <odie5533> will that include dev headers?
[06:38] <disasm> DrToast: menuconfig's main advantage is you don't need x to compile (ssh session/server situation)
[06:38] <disasm> signius: apt-get remove
[06:38] <signius> thanks
[06:38] <kalias> mcking: So, where do we go from here?
[06:38] <vinux> Hey guys I have a question about the sending me free CDs for free. They said the default was 10 cds??? Is that all the programs for it too? ---> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[06:39] <mcking> kalias: sorry, i haven't forgotten about you, got sidetracked
[06:40] <mcking> odie5533: wxwidgets.org for the docs and look in synaptic for the actual packages to install
[06:40] <mcking> odie5533: there is also wxpython if you like the snakey snake
[06:40] <odie5533> Which I don't =P
[06:40] <Razor-X> mcking: stop promoting synaptic -_-
[06:40] <odie5533> Acutally never tried python, so can't say that
[06:41] <mcking> kalias: can you play the files in rythmbox or another player?  is it just xmms that hangs?
[06:41] <vinux> Razor-X, synaptic seems pretty cool
[06:41] <mcking> Razor-X: its better than dselect
[06:41] <odie5533> Can I compile programs for Mac OSX on linux
[06:41] <Razor-X> people should promote CLI though
[06:41] <IcemanV9> hmm. kde do have wifi manager and gnome do not. :(
[06:41] <Razor-X> mcking: and I remember dselect meself
[06:42] <Razor-X> although, I was probably much younger than most of you when you remember it
[06:42] <rob^> vinux, thats 10 copies
[06:42] <mcking> Razor-X: aptitude is nicer
[06:42] <levander> i don't believe this, the 6 year old graphics card i've already got in my computer is highly recommended to be used with mythtv
[06:42] <kalias> mcking: no worries :) I tried the cd player and it just hangs also.
[06:42] <Razor-X> mcking: or so I hear, I have to try it
[06:42] <odie5533> mcking: is there a visual editor for wxwidgets?
[06:42] <vinux> rob^, oh crap hmmm maybe I should edit that lol
[06:42] <disasm> mcking: dselect, i used that for about a day, and then found apt
[06:42] <kalias> mcking: I have to force quit on them.
[06:43] <matjan_> drtoast: i'm here again
[06:43] <mcking> odie5533: there is a resource file editor for it for a few $$ (reasonable $$, not qt $$) and a free one that isn't as good
[06:43] <DrToast> ok cool
[06:43] <matjan_> tell me what to look at in xorg.conf
[06:43] <ukato> you can turn down the refresh rate of a monitor by editing xorg.conf, right?
[06:43] <odie5533> Any link for the resonable one and the free one?
[06:43] <kalias> mcking: if I try "sudo rmmod snd_sb16" it tells me ERROR: Module snd_sb16 is in use
[06:44] <DrToast> ok under section "Device" what's on the driver line?
[06:44] <vinux> rob^, wait a second why would the default be 10 copies? I guess they want me to hand them out?
[06:44] <matjan_> "ati"
[06:44] <mcking> odie5533: i haven't used them in a while, you can get the link from wxwidgets.org (one of them come with it AFAIR)
[06:44] <rob^> vinux, yeah
[06:45] <mcking> kalias: yeah, esound is using the card, so the kernel won't release the driver
[06:45] <DrToast> anbd the Identifier is like Radeon 9200SE or whatever?
[06:45] <vinux> rob^, well I guess I could hand them out
[06:45] <odie5533> mcking: when people talk about knowing MFC, that means knowing how to code right from a text editor using windows.h, or just using the visual studio drag and drop editor right?
[06:45] <vinux> rob^, I know some people
[06:45] <kalias> mcking: oh, I see.
[06:45] <Razor-X> today's the first day i'm using LaTeX, and I love it already
[06:45] <matjan_> yes, "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9200 SE (RV280)"
[06:45] <mcking> odie5533: drag n drop usually
[06:45] <rob^> vinux, order as many as you want
[06:45] <DrToast> yup so the video driver seems ok
[06:46] <vinux> rob^, ok :)
[06:46] <matjan_> then why do i only get 60hz as refresh rate option?
[06:46] <odie5533> mcking: I see job req's that need knowledge in MFC. They want people that can use the Visual Studio editor fully?
[06:46] <DrToast> ok under section "monitor" does it have option DPMS?
[06:46] <matjan_> yes
[06:47] <DrToast> what is horizsync at?
[06:47] <matjan_> Section "Monitor"
[06:47] <matjan_>      Identifier     "Generic Monitor"
[06:47] <matjan_>      Option          "DPMS"
[06:47] <matjan_>      HorizSync     28-49
[06:47] <matjan_>      VertRefresh     43-72
[06:47] <matjan_> EndSection
[06:47] <DrToast> ok 2 problems right there
[06:47] <matjan_> ok.... tell me
[06:47] <mcking> odie5533: yeah, when using visual studio to write more than generic apps, a good knowledge of mfc is useful to know how to hook up all the backend bits to the widgets and make them do cool stuff is important
[06:47] <DrToast> vert refresh is saying 72 hz is your max refresh
[06:48] <DrToast> and horizsync is way too low
[06:48] <matjan_> that's not true i guess, i run in windows at 75hz
[06:48] <matjan_> ok
[06:48] <mcking> odie5533: how long have you been programming?
[06:48] <DrToast> yeah so it detected it wrong
[06:48] <matjan_> can i check somewhere in windows what those values should be?
[06:49] <kalias> mcking: if you check that wiki again, maybe we need something in /etc/modprobe.d/
[06:49] <DrToast> nope they hide them
[06:49] <matjan_> bastards
[06:49] <mcking> kalias: can you play a movie in totem?
[06:49] <disasm> kalias: if alsamixer works your modprobe.d should be fine
[06:49] <DrToast> sometimes its on the back of the monitor or in the manual, but not always
[06:49] <mcking> kalias: no, if it didn't wokr you wouldn't have heard the drums at the ubuntu startup
[06:49] <matjan_> so... to what do you suggest i would set these rates?
[06:49] <fuad> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:50] <rob^> fuad off
[06:50] <kalias> mcking: okay, so hearing the drums is a good thing.  Question is: why do xmms and the cd player now hang?
[06:50] <disasm> kalias: there is always the ancient trick to test your audio, killall esd and then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp - should generate static on speakers
[06:50] <mcking> odie5533: http://www.roebling.de/ has the $$ version of the wx designer
[06:50] <bob2> kalias: presumably because they're not configured to use esd
[06:50] <matjan_> and can i just change these settings in xorg.conf?
[06:51] <bLuT0> i just set up ubuntu for a friend... how do i go about changing the password to what he wants it to be?
[06:51] <kalias> xmms is configured to use esound.  How do I configure for esd?
[06:51] <bob2> bLuT0: type "passwd" in a terminal, as that user
[06:51] <bob2> kalias: that's the same thing
[06:51] <DrToast> well the thing with that is
[06:51] <kalias> oh, sorry.
[06:52] <DrToast> if we set it too high it won't work
[06:52] <matjan_> right
[06:52] <mcking> kalias: you can try turning off esound and setting xmms back to alsa output
[06:52] <DrToast> I'd say you should try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:52] <kalias> mcking: I will give it a try.
[06:52] <DrToast> that should make it redetect the monitor
[06:52] <DrToast> hopefully it will get it right
[06:52] <mcking> kalias: go to System->Prefs->Sound on the main menu and turn off the soudn server at startup
[06:53] <levander> is it the cpu that makes loading applications so slow on my system?
[06:53] <bLuT0> bob2: thanks
[06:53] <mcking> kalias: then killall esd in a terminal
[06:53] <levander> the cpu doesn't get pegged, but it does go up to up 50% for a couple of seconds
[06:53] <mcking> then change xmms to use alsa
[06:53] <DrToast> horizontal sync should be around 30-65 for 1024x768
[06:53] <mcking> and try it
[06:53] <matjan_> ok
[06:54] <kalias> mcking: okay all done.
[06:54] <mcking> kalias: try xmms now
[06:54] <DrToast> and the vertical should be 50-75 obviously or it won't even try 75 hz
[06:54] <kvidell> ugh.. everything shows up as localhost.localdomain
[06:54] <matjan_> yeah
[06:54] <kvidell> can't I make that show up as my hostname? (wonky)
[06:54] <kalias> mcking: works!!!
[06:54] <mcking> cool
[06:54] <DrToast> so first try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:54] <kvidell> /etc/hosts is fine
[06:55] <matjan_> alright
[06:55] <kvidell> (as far as I know)
[06:55] <kalias> mcking: so was it just the sound default?
[06:55] <mcking> well, goodnight all
[06:55] <DrToast> if it doesn't detect then try the values i just gave
[06:55] <matjan_> ok
[06:55] <disasm> kvidell: try echo wonky > /etc/hostname
[06:55] <matjan_> i'll be back
[06:55] <kalias> mcking: I will reboot and try it again.
[06:55] <DrToast> but be ready to change them back with the command line if it doesn't work
[06:55] <disasm> kvidell: then /etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart
[06:55] <presencia> hola,,, viva chile
[06:56] <mcking> kalias: yeah, something was locking the sound card from everything else.  as long as the sound and video programs you use can use alsa output yuo should be good to go
[06:56] <presencia> Hola
[06:56] <bob2> presencia: this is an English-speaking channel, sorry
[06:56] <mcking> see ya'll tomorrow
[06:56] <matjan_> ok... you mean boot in safe mode and then edit?
[06:56] <mcking> hasta manana
[06:56] <DrToast> no first run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:57] <DrToast> then restart xwindows
[06:57] <matjan_> yeah... but if manual change wouldn't work
[06:57] <DrToast> or reboot to be really sure
[06:57] <Amaranth> bob2: I'm guessing your the one that setup the join limit in overflow. I didn't remember how to do that so just temporarily set +R.
[06:57] <matjan_> xwindows?
[06:57] <disasm> matjan_: if it doesn't come up ctrl alt f1 will get you to a terminal login
[06:57] <matjan_> sorry.....
[06:58] <DrToast> yeah its the thing that runs the GUI and sets the video modes and stuff
[06:58] <disasm> matjan_: after you make changes to xorg.conf ctrl alt bksp will restart x (assuming your using gdm)
[06:58] <matjan_> ok
[06:58] <DrToast> if you mess up the xorg.conf file the GUI won't start
[06:58] <levander> anybody ever log out only to see a gdm screen where the videos all messed up?
[06:58] <matjan_> no clue if i do...
[06:58] <matjan_> ok
[06:58] <DrToast> but you'll still get a test only login prompty
[06:58] <matjan_> gdm = gnome desktop something?
[06:58] <metzen> i keep getting an error dialog that says "Totem could not startup, resource busy or not available"   does totem have a log file somewhere i could read?
[06:59] <Octane> manager
[06:59] <matjan_> ok
[06:59] <DrToast> you can just login on the console and do the "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and it should bring it back
[06:59] <matjan_> i guess i do
[06:59] <yonil> what's the command to run in order to check which process is using a device ?
[06:59] <disasm> matjan_: gnome desktop manager (gui login)
[06:59] <Octane> whenever i run gpg, nothing happens until i ctrl-c it
[06:59] <Octane> any ideas?
[06:59] <DrToast> gdm is the gnome desktop manager
[06:59] <matjan_> alright
[06:59] <DrToast> its the graphical login prompt
[07:00] <matjan_> ok, lemme go try this
[07:00] <matjan_> thanks for now
[07:00] <disasm> Octane: gpg needs parameters to generate keys iirc
[07:00] <DrToast> just a sec
[07:00] <metzen> anyone know whats wrong with my totem?
[07:00] <DrToast> go "cd /etx/X11"
[07:00] <matjan_> ok
[07:01] <DrToast> then "sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.old" before you do anything
[07:01] <matjan_> already did that :)
[07:01] <DrToast> that way if it gets messed up you still have the old config that works (even though its only 60Hz)
[07:02] <DrToast> ok cool
[07:02] <DrToast> well good luck
[07:03] <bLuT0> the install is on a dual boot machine... how can i adjust the amount of time before default boot happens?
[07:03] <gpd> bLuT0: /boot/grub/menu.list
[07:04] <gpd> My poor laptop keeps hanging with a recent hoary install
[07:04] <gpd> worked fine with hoary a few months ago.. then upgraded to breezy... then went back to hoary and now it keeps hanging
[07:04] <gpd> in a 'ctrl-alt-prtscn-sub' kinda way
[07:05] <Amaranth> whee
[07:05] <gpd> tried several kernels, no clues in the log, even does it in rescue mode
[07:05] <Severim> man
[07:05] <Amaranth> a rotation server died, yay
[07:05] <Severim> what a split
[07:05] <kvidell> yeehaw
[07:05] <sri__> greetings..
[07:06] <sri__> does anybody have debs for the new evolution release for hoary?
[07:06] <disasm> i say, 336 people...
[07:06] <gpd> just when i was in the middle of my little rant
[07:06] <kalias> mcking: Hey man!  I am in business, works great!!
[07:06] <disasm> gpd: your rant? i missed it i guess...
[07:07] <rob^> mmm... netsplit
[07:07] <gpd> my laptop now requires ctrl-alt-prtscrn-sub after boot
[07:07] <gpd> = not pleased
[07:07] <disasm> sri__: did you try apt-get install evolution?
[07:07] <sri__> disasm: it has an old version of evolution that has a bug that makes it not work with my imap server
[07:07] <gpd> must be apic
[07:08] <sri__> disasm: the latest stuff should fix it but hoary is frozen until breezy comes out
[07:08] <ukato> is vertical frequency the same as vertical refresh rate?
[07:08] <psychonate> yes
[07:08] <ukato> ok thanks
[07:08] <disasm> sri__: sorry, can't help ya there, i've been using thunderbird myself, may want to try backports, but just to warn you they can really break things
[07:09] <ukato> then
[07:09] <ukato> horizontal sync is the same as horizontal frequency
[07:09] <Seq> does anybody know how to change qt font size (for qt apps running within gnome)?
[07:10] <ukato> ?
[07:10] <odie5533> Anyone here familiar with GNU GPL (really familiar)?
[07:10] <DrToast> ukato, yes
[07:10] <sri__> disasm: how doI do the backports?
[07:11] <DrToast> but remember horizontal is in KiloHertz
[07:12] <xterminus> odie5533, what's your question?
[07:12] <ukato> drtoast, so if my monitor's manual says the horizontal frequency is 30-110
[07:12] <bLuT0> <-- n00b what do i need to edit the menu.lst file?
[07:13] <ukato> can i put that into the xorg.conf, or do i have to convert it
[07:13] <disasm> sri__: i dunno, might want to try google or ask someone else, i'm using the pure amd64 version of hoary currently, so I don't have any backports in my sources.list
[07:14] <gpd> bLuT0: pico is probably easiest - maybe gedit! ;-)
[07:14] <gpd> bLuT0: you should probably stay away from vi if you are asking that question :P
[07:14] <DrToast> damn
[07:14] <david> PEACE OUT, I GOT SCHOOL TMO
[07:14] <bLuT0> heh
[07:15] <odie5533> xterminus: I released a library under my own liscense (before I knew about the GNU GPL) and the liscense does not allow redistribution of the library (IE you have to get it from my site). I no longer host the specific version, and I now host a GNU GPL version. The problem is people are selling things not under the GNU GPL that use my library, but since the library is backwards compatible, they could say they are using the old libr
[07:15] <odie5533> ary
[07:15] <DrToast> clicked one too many close buttons there
[07:15] <bLuT0> pretty touchy in there?
[07:15] <Razor-X> LaTeX doesen't indent the first paragraph?
[07:15] <odie5533> Since I don't distribute the old version, techinically they can't really say that, but can they?
[07:15] <xterminus> odie5533, so ppl are selling a product based on the 'original' code that you released under a non-gpl license?
[07:16] <DrToast> well i need to get some sleep
[07:16] <odie5533> Yes, but I don't release that anymore, so techinically you shouldn't be able to obtain a copy
[07:16] <DrToast> good night all
[07:16] <xterminus> odie5533, that's not a gpl question then - it's a copyright issue
[07:16] <odie5533> Its both kinda
[07:17] <xterminus> odie5533, well - once you release that code as gpl, you give up certain rights in exchange for certain freedoms - but it's not retroactive
[07:17] <levander> anybody has tried to get firefox to start faster on their machine?
[07:17] <odie5533> If people release one, can they say its released using the old library, because with this specific library, you don't need to include it with the program
[07:18] <sri__> bah, the backporst don't have evolution
[07:18] <sri__> sucks
[07:18] <kvidell> er
[07:19] <xterminus> odie5533, no - the gpl isn't a cancer that wanders in and "spreads" gpling old code, the author has to license the code himself
[07:19] <kvidell> evolution - The groupware suite
[07:19] <kvidell> I see it
[07:19] <bartek> hello!
[07:19] <xterminus> you can certainly release that old code under the GPL, but until you do, it's simply distributable under the license you used to use
[07:20] <bartek> I am from Poland.
[07:20] <bartek> Who else??
[07:20] <xterminus> and isn't it kind of a non-issue since you released that library eventually as GPL?
[07:20] <bob2> er
[07:21] <bob2> you give up no rights at all by releasing something under the gpl
[07:21] <bob2> you can release it under any other license you like, too
[07:21] <KodeK> does anyone know if it's possible to route sound from the mic-in jack from the onboard sound card to a pci card (an audigy)
[07:21] <bartek> Jest ktos z polski lub zna jezyk ?
[07:23] <KodeK> anyone? :D
[07:23] <bob2> I wouldn't bother
[07:23] <bob2> but you could use a pipe between the two devices, probably
[07:23] <KodeK> true :D
[07:24] <tkiesel> Hi all.  Anyone having a problem getting some libs from main tonight?  libgii and libggi in particular?
[07:24] <KodeK> nah, i'll just hook up my guitar to the audigy
[07:24] <bob2> tkiesel: /topic
[07:24] <xterminus> odie5533, once you gpl it - it stays gpl (unless of course, you never had the right yourself to release the code)
[07:25] <Ghetek> when i trry to run creatures3 i get "dirname: too few arguments"
[07:25] <bob2> sure, but just to make it clear to everyone, the author is free to release it under other, additional licenses, too
[07:25] <Ghetek> when i try to run creatures 3 i get "dirname: too few arguments"
[07:25] <bob2> we say you say that 21 seconds ago...
[07:25] <xterminus> bob2, yeah - sure, as long as it doesn't infringed on the gpl itself
[07:26] <bob2> xterminus: no
[07:26] <bob2> xterminus: I can release it under the MS Word licnese, if I want
[07:27] <xterminus> bob2, as long as that license isn't tied to the gpl - that's fine (ie: it's provided as an alternative to the gpl where the downloader gets to choose)
[07:27] <odie5533> Anyone here know how to use wxWidgets?
[07:27] <Ghetek> has anybody here gotten creatures3 to work in ubuntu?
[07:28] <levander> anybody here running a piii-550 processor or there abouts? how long does it take to start FF on it?
[07:28] <bob2> yes
[07:28] <bob2> ~15s
[07:28] <bob2> which is why I start it when I login and don't close it
[07:28] <levander> bob2: you talking to me?
[07:28] <bob2> like I do with all my programs
[07:28] <Ghetek> bob2: you talking to me?
[07:29] <levander> bob2: sounds like maybe your problem is memory?
[07:29] <bob2> xterminus: I can' license the same bit of code under the GPL and the 'GPL + you must not wear pants while using this software license'
[07:29] <bob2> levander: no
[07:29] <capi> SMTP is a mail process correct? Netstat says it's listening to port 4307, anyone know the importance?
[07:29] <ukato> so if i were to install a driver for a monitor, should i look for a linux driver, or could i use ndiswrapper
[07:29] <bob2> for a monitor?
[07:29] <bob2> you don't use drivers for monitors
[07:29] <bob2> and you especially don't use windows network (ndis) drivers for them
[07:30] <ukato> ahh, ok
[07:30] <bob2> Ghetek: the only think I said to you was about you asking the same question 21 seconds apart
[07:30] <levander> bob2: only takes me 5 seconds to start FF on a PIII-550 with 512 MB RAM
[07:30] <bob2> Ghetek: I'd try asking on the "creatures 3" forum or mailing list
[07:30] <Ghetek> oh ok
[07:30] <ruiner54> any1 here using ubuntu on ppc?
[07:30] <ukato> ok, thanks
[07:30] <bob2> ruiner54: lots of people are
[07:30] <bob2> ruiner54: best to just ask your question
[07:30] <kassetra> what's wrong with creatures3?
[07:30] <Ghetek> bob2... oh come on now.. as if i wouldnt have checked their forums and mailing list already!
[07:31] <levander> somebody tell me what kind of processor your running and how many seconds FF takes to load please?
[07:31] <bob2> hah, good on you then
[07:31] <Ghetek> kassetra doesnt want to install or run correctly
[07:31] <ruiner54> i am having trouble with my g4 400 cd/dvd drive....dvds will not mount or play
[07:31] <kassetra> odd.  on Hoary?
[07:31] <Ghetek> yup
[07:31] <CoffeeMan> how does ubuntu give cds away for free?
[07:31] <kassetra> let me rerun my install...
[07:31] <Ghetek> no do not!
[07:32] <bob2> CoffeeMan: by printing them out and putting them in big boxes ;)
[07:32] <Ghetek> kassetra you might get the error i get
[07:32] <kassetra> what's your error?
[07:32] <bob2> CoffeeMan: (www.canonical is funding ubuntu, including sending out free cds)
[07:32] <ukato> coffeeman, did you order and get any? just wondering
[07:32] <rob^> CoffeeMan, it makes them, then it sends them out..
[07:32] <Hydroxide> hi ... I'm using the ppc hoary livecd on an ibook g3. what is the "ubuntu way" for monitoring my laptop's temperature?
[07:32] <rob^> how else?
[07:32] <levander> ruiner54: a g4 powermac?
[07:32] <Ghetek> "dirname: too few arguments""
[07:32] <levander> oh come on, i don't need bob2 to tell me how long it takes them to start FF, somebody step up for crying out loud
[07:33] <ruiner54> levander: yes, I just got it so I'm not real familiar with the hardware, but the drive would be stock apple (i think maxtor)
[07:33] <Hydroxide> CoffeeMan: ubuntu is supported financially by Mark Shuttleworth, who became wealthy selling Thawte (yes, the SSL company) to VeriSign
[07:33] <ukato> for anyone who's ordered CDs, how long did it take for them to arrive
[07:33] <bLuT0> gpd i'm trying to edit menu.lst... (if i mess it up, i'll reinstall)
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> they haven't yet
[07:34] <bLuT0> its read only... do i need to be in as root?
[07:34] <ruiner54> ukato: about 6 weeks
[07:34] <levander> ruiner54: i didn't even know ubuntu ran on powermacs
[07:34] <kassetra> Ghetek - not a single error.
[07:34] <kvidell> levander: IBM ThinkPad T42p (Intel Pentium M 2.10 ghz, 2 gigs of ram); Firefox loads in roughly 2 seconds and has 3 home pages that load in seperate tabs pretty much instantly.
[07:34] <Razor-X> LaTeX doesen't indent the first paragraph?
[07:34] <Razor-X> by default, rather
[07:34] <ruiner54> levander: yeah, I ordered it straight from them....just mae the switch from Yellow Dog
[07:35] <ukato> ruiner54, okay, good, thanks
[07:35] <Ghetek> kassetra, i installed the c3 portion but it doesnt let me run the game or instll the d3 portion
[07:35] <Hydroxide> levander: ubuntu runs on many powerpc machines, as well as AMD64/EM64T, Itanium (I think), and of course x86
[07:35] <ruiner54> ukato: i believe they come from norway...some nordic country at least
[07:35] <Razor-X> kvidell: do you feel macho with 3 startup tabs? ;)
[07:35] <ukato> crazy
[07:35] <kvidell> yes. :)
[07:35] <Razor-X> my average amount of startup tabs is 15
[07:35] <Razor-X> but, not in Firefox
[07:36] <Razor-X> Firefox works worse than Opera under high-tab conditions
[07:36] <kvidell> google.com/ig | my-live-journal | ubuntuforums.org
[07:36] <kvidell> ah.
[07:36] <ukato> when i drag windows
[07:36] <ukato> white lines flash across my screen
[07:36] <kvidell> I usually accumulate lots and lots of tabs
[07:36] <kvidell> but I don't start with a lot
[07:36] <levander> why would you buy a powermac to run Linux on it? I thought the great thing about Macs was the Mac OS and software that runs on top.
[07:36] <ukato> would that be a video driver
[07:36] <Hydroxide> kvidell: /ig is what country?
[07:36] <kassetra> ds installs just fine, and both are runnign.
[07:36] <Hydroxide> levander: they're good hardware too.
[07:37] <Hydroxide> levander: although mine is showing major signs of age ... it is over 3 years old and I've been using it with no major problems until about a week ago
[07:37] <kvidell> levander: Yes, but the hardware is ungodly nice.
[07:37] <kvidell> Hydroxide: it's not a country :)
[07:37] <Razor-X> I love Opera ;)
[07:37] <Razor-X> so, nobody uses LaTeX here?
[07:37] <kvidell> it's google's ewuivelant to Yahoo's "My Yahoo"
[07:37] <ruiner54> levander: didnt buy it to run linux on initially ...just made the switch, but with the way apple is going if you dont have a new machine, it struggles to run the newest mac os X
[07:37] <Razor-X> leveander: the hardware is far superior to the software
[07:37] <Hydroxide> kvidell: that's why I wasn't thinking of an ISO country code :)
[07:38] <kvidell> lol
[07:38] <srbaker> how do i make an image of a video dvd?
[07:38] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: I don't know that that's true ... Tiger runs fine on my iBook G3 600
[07:38] <levander> At risk to start ridiculous flame war, I was under impressions Jobs just switched from IBM to Intel for a reason.
[07:38] <ruiner54> hydroxide: how much RAM?
[07:38] <Pauly> howdy
[07:38] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: 384, I will admit
[07:38] <ruiner54> wow!
[07:38] <kvidell> Razor-X: Agreed. I actually run X11 on macs so I can use XTerms and forward graphical x displays off of my fedora shell server :-D I just like having the Mac OS around to do photoshop and illustrator stuff with
[07:38] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: it runs fine as well on my mother's iBook g3 700 with 256
[07:39] <Razor-X> kvidell: heh
[07:39] <ruiner54> hydroxide: i was running  on an imac g3 500 with 384 mb and it was okay but struggled sometimes
[07:39] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: as well, my ibook g3 is a rage 128 graphics card ... not even basic quartz extreme, and yet it runs fine
[07:39] <ukato> whenever something happens in a window, or when i drag windows, broken white lines flash across my screen. would that be video driver problems?
[07:40] <ruiner54> hydroxide: still using os 10 as well, but love linux
[07:40] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: however, when I'm using it as a full computer, I run debian, myself.   I was playing with fire saying that.
[07:41] <Pauly> Is there by chance any place where all of the HDs are ummmm, shortcutted to in ubuntu?:)
[07:41] <bob2> nope
[07:41] <anacron> i don't think so
[07:42] <Pauly> *never really got to know linux too well, always irritated him*
[07:42] <anacron> kubuntu has
[07:42] <levander> Hydroxide: but would you expect Jobs to come out and say that the current machines suck?  I'm not sure he's the best source of information for why he made the switch.
[07:42] <kvidell> Hydroxide: Not completely. IBM was also concenred with the financial feasibility with producing for Apple and Apple was concerned about IBMs willingness to release advancements as fast as they wanted to.
[07:42] <FR500> Pauly, Places->Computer?
[07:42] <kvidell> Lots of conflicts of interest were behind that as well as financial and marketing things.
[07:42] <levander> kvidell: i think long term, apple moving to intel is great
[07:42] <Pauly> hum
[07:42] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: I like it just fine. I guess my comparison between the two would be, Ubuntu has more things "Just Work(tm)" right out of the box, but Debian has improved a lot in that regard, AND has more support for a broader array of software (ubuntu shoves a lot of things into universe and doesn't support them properly)
[07:42] <kvidell> levander: I think it's a really bad decision
[07:43] <ruiner54> kvidell: how about apple's new wonderful corporate success and image?
[07:43] <Pauly> Well, that doesn't have my windows HD on it:P
[07:43] <kvidell> ruiner54: shot to hell by switching to intel? :-P
[07:43] <levander> kvidell: that's where microsoft won the old PC war, was in the price of the hardware
[07:43] <kvidell> For the longest time they've had the power to say "We have our OWN archetecture"
[07:43] <kvidell> that's gone.
[07:43] <FR500> Pauly, u have to mount it
[07:43] <Hydroxide> kvidell: yeah. when I said that they were concerned IBM "couldn't" keep up, I more meant that IBM doesn't care to
[07:43] <FR500> Pauly, it's it an ntfs disk?
[07:43] <Pauly> yessir
[07:43] <levander> kvidell: you put cheap PC hardware under the great Apple software, have best of both worlds.
[07:43] <ruiner54> kvidell: haha, i have given up on apple anyway...used to respect them
[07:43] <FR500> u need to install ntfstools
[07:43] <anacron> FR500: you think mounting is shortcut to hd's? :D
[07:44] <family> I'd like to wipe my HD along with Mandrake....and install Ubuntu instead...but I have a folder on it with about 12 gigs of stuff that I don't want to loose...is there a way for me to install Ubuntu without actually deleting that particular folder?
[07:44] <Pauly> alright, installing
[07:44] <FR500> nope, but after you add it to fstab it appears there
[07:44] <Hydroxide> levander: of course, I would expect Jobs to spin things as positively for Apple as possible. But I know from personal experience that their products do not suck.
[07:44] <anacron> what's that ntfs tool?
[07:44] <FR500> i think that is the name
[07:44] <Hydroxide> levander: (with some exceptions, of course)
[07:44] <ruiner54> hydroxide: i made the switch from yellow dog, which was fun because it was hard to get going....a challenge, but i had it so customized after 6 months and all of a sudden everything started crapping out
[07:44] <FR500> or is it ntfsprogs?
[07:44] <kvidell> http://projects.csail.mit.edu/gsb/archives/old/gsb-archive/gsb2001-06-29.html
[07:44] <kvidell> An interesting read on companies switching to Intel
[07:44] <Pauly> ntfstools worked in apt-get
[07:44] <kvidell> worth your time :)
[07:44] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: Debian is definitely easier to get going than yellow dog, especially nowadays
[07:45] <FR500> Pauly, ntfs disks are read only
[07:45] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: yellow dog was my first ppc distro, but I didn't stick with it for long
[07:45] <levander> Hydroxide: I don't think they "suck", I do think they don't benchmark quite as well are regular PC hardware, that have similar specs.  But, the Apple hardware does perform nicely, just not as well in the benchmarks I've seen.
[07:45] <FR500> is there a gdm theme editor? or is that spot "open"
[07:46] <Hydroxide> levander: yeah, but performance isn't the only important thing. their hardware (not only talking CPU here) is much more solidly built than most PC hardware, in terms of quality. obviously this is a generalization, but it's still true to a meaningful degree
[07:46] <ruiner54> hydroxide: i will have to give it a try...it is similar to ubuntu i aassume
[07:46] <levander> Hydroxide: and, regular PC hardware is definitely cheaper, and so have a better price / performance ratio.
[07:46] <kvidell> no one's going to read my url 'cause you're all too busy arguing :-P
[07:46] <kvidell> hehe
[07:46] <levander> Hydroxide: okay, quality is definitely possible better from Apple, i've never looked into that
[07:47] <FR500> Pauly, g2g, to make it quick, you mount it like this mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaxxx /mnt/directory
[07:47] <anacron> oh man, how can i forgot what's the command for loading themes in irssi
[07:47] <Hydroxide> levander: not only reliability, but also aesthetics (at least in a lot of cases), weight/battery life (in the case of laptops) ... definitely Apple does well
[07:47] <FR500> Pauly, if you want it to appear there you gotta add it to fstab
[07:47] <FR500> man fsta for more info
[07:47] <FR500> man fstab
[07:48] <levander> Hydroxide: definitely aesthetics is on Apple's side.
[07:48] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: yes, given that ubuntu is based on Debian every 6 months. one difference is that less is done for you
[07:48] <Pauly> alright FR500 \
[07:48] <Hydroxide> levander: which is an important factor, along of course with many others
[07:48] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: but, also, less software is relegated to second-class citizenship like that in universe
[07:48] <ruiner54> kvidell: yikes!!
[07:49] <levander> could somebody who has a pentium 4 please tell me how long it takes them to start FF?
[07:49] <anacron> Pauly: ubuntuguide.org will help you with those mounting things (and many others as well)
[07:49] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: still, a lot of your ubuntu knowledge will apply in Debian, to a much greater knowledge than, say, yellow dog knowledge, since ubuntu is basically a slightly customized Debian (I'm simplifying here of course)
[07:50] <Hydroxide> err, "...to a much greater degree..."
[07:50] <Pauly> well, I am somewhat familiar with mounting, not too familiar with fstab since generally tried to avoid such things
[07:50] <Madpilot> hi all... I've got an odd problem: neither of my optical drives will mount or read. not audio CDs, not data CDs, not DVD. nada. WTH?
[07:50] <Madpilot> and yes, the plugs on both are fine. and they worked last night...
[07:50] <ruiner54> hydroxide: yeah i have already noticed a lot of my YDL knowledge is no use in ubuntu...kind of annoyed by the lack of conistency...like little things in the term, but i will adjust
[07:51] <levander> Is there a reason nobody will tell me how long it takes to start FF? This is simple question and newbie could answer.
[07:51] <Morten^Toft> FF?
[07:51] <levander> Firefox
[07:52] <Morten^Toft> ok, let me just try
[07:52] <robertngo> my pc take 4-6 second to open
[07:52] <Hydroxide> levander: for me, running from a live cd distribution but with firefox recently used in memory, on my iBook G3, 15 seconds
[07:52] <levander> robertngo: what processor and how much memory?
[07:52] <Hydroxide> levander: the fact that I'm running from a live cd is the main factor there
[07:52] <Hydroxide> levander: (384 MB RAM as well)
[07:52] <Morten^Toft> ca. 5 seconds
[07:52] <robertngo> p4 2.8
[07:52] <robertngo> 256mb ddr2
[07:52] <levander> Hydroxide: yeah buddy, you'll speed up a lot if can install on hard disk
[07:52] <Pauly> levander, it varies?:P
[07:53] <Hydroxide> levander: oh, I know quite well. this is a temporary solution until my replacement HD arrives :)
[07:53] <Morten^Toft> 5 sec on a 3 GHz pentium 4 512 mb ram
[07:53] <Hydroxide> levander: which should be on Thursday
[07:53] <levander> yall gotta tell me what processor / RAM and how long FF takes to load at same time, I can't keep up now.
[07:53] <robertngo> how much different in speed when you start it again?
[07:53] <upgrdman> can anyone help me with a raid problem
[07:53] <levander> Pauly: first time you start FF, it's gotta load everything, 2nd time you start it, some stuff's already cached, so it'll be faster.  I'm really interested in the 2nd time.
[07:54] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: in a lot of ways, Debian/ubuntu are more consistent than yellowdog, both with each other and with the standards.
[07:54] <Hydroxide> levander: well, you should really be asking more questions. for example, if I have the ForecastFox extensions installed, it takes a bit longer to start up while it queries weather sites
[07:54] <levander> robertngo: if you upgrade from 256 mb RAM to 512 for ~$40, your system's gonna be a lot faster, but thanks for info
[07:54] <Seq> firefox takes about 1 second (though its cached in memory) on my notebook (clocked down to 600MHz, 512MB ram)
[07:55] <upgrdman> please, can someone help me with the issue: http://www.cgartwork.com/misc/ubuntu-raid-problems.jpg
[07:55] <ruiner54> hydroxide: oh really? so they are more consistent when compared with other distros as well?
[07:55] <protocolX> Hello guys.
[07:55] <Madpilot> anyone? why don't I have access/ownership of my two CD drives?
[07:55] <levander> Morten^Toft: thanks for info, that was specs I needed.  So, the problem isn't my processor.  FF just loads butt slow.
[07:55] <pschulz01> Where do I find developer man pages?
[07:55] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: well, I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss yellow dog ... it's been way too many years since I last used it
[07:55] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: but, I find that Debian (and ubuntu) just makes more sense
[07:56] <levander> Hydroxide: it's not extensions, i removed em all already, that's what they told me in #firefox, might have made a small difference.
[07:56] <Hydroxide> levander: ah, you're debugging a specific problem. I gotcha
[07:56] <protocolX> Is it possible to install debian package in ubuntu?
[07:56] <kvidell> that's like saking if you can breathe without a tic-tac
[07:57] <kvidell> yes, but I wouldn't recomend it ^.^;
[07:57] <levander> Hydroxide: no, I'm just trying to decide if I should upgrade my machine.
[07:57] <kvidell> (tm)
[07:57] <quam> haha
[07:57] <Hydroxide> protocolX: in general, from a technical point of view, yes. will it cause problems? not usually, no. could it cause problems? it certainly could
[07:57] <levander> Hydroxide: that's biggest annoyance is how slow FF loads.  Doesn't sound like throwing twice the hardware I got now will make FF load any faster.
[07:57] <Hydroxide> levander: ah, I see
[07:57] <levander> bob2 said it took him 15 seconds to load FF, no idea what he's smoking
[07:58] <kvidell> levander: maybe he's not and just has slow ff issues?
[07:58] <kvidell> not to mention you're using the live cd
[07:58] <protocolX> Hydroxide: thanks, but what is the package manager in ubuntu system?
[07:58] <Hydroxide> kvidell: it was me who was using the live cd
[07:58] <kvidell> it has to seek out FFX on the LiveCD and load it in to ram first
[07:58] <kvidell> it takes time
[07:58] <ruiner54> hydroxide: you mean they make more sense just in that there is less manual configuration?
[07:58] <kvidell> Hydroxide: Oh.. you're the one who said "I'm using the livecd 'cause my drive is dead and a new one is on the way" ?
[07:58] <robertngo> anyone here have problem with FF freeze when open many tab at once?
[07:58] <Hydroxide> protocolX: same as in Debian ... at a low level, dpkg and apt, at a higher level, you can use synaptic, kynaptic (in kubuntu), aptitude, apt-get, etc.
[07:59] <Hydroxide> kvidell: yes
[07:59] <levander> Hydroxide: but thunderbird and gnome-system-monitor are slow to load also, FF is just where I started
[07:59] <kvidell> oh.. well.. nevermind :D
[07:59] <levander> Hydroxide: it was too much effort to get FF start up times out of this group, I'm giving up.
[07:59] <kvidell> ...
[07:59] <kvidell> I gave you mine
[07:59] <kvidell> sorry if you ignored it.
[07:59] <levander> kvidell: no, bob2 is definitely smoking something
[07:59] <protocolX> Hydroxide: They have got their own mirror for installing updating the ubuntu system?
[07:59] <kvidell> no, he just doesn't like to deal with people being rude :)
[07:59] <stjepan> hi
[07:59] <stjepan> I have a problem
[08:00] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: no, that's not what I meant (although Debian and Ubuntu both have a huge amount of automatic config when compared to, say, Slackware.
[08:00] <stjepan> I use XFFM
[08:00] <levander> kvidell: i was joking btw...
[08:00] <kvidell> I worked for a much less stressful network than this one and I know people like you upset me way more than he's showing if you are or aren't :-P
[08:00] <stjepan> and I have mounted windows partition
[08:00] <stjepan> I want to copy some files into it
[08:00] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: I'm not sure how it compares to yellow dog nowadays, but I'd bet yellow dog isn't as good in that regard, just because Debian is especially good.)
[08:00] <stjepan> but there is an error: cp: preserving times for `/mnt/windowse/c#/flpr.kdevprj': Operation not permitted
[08:00] <kvidell> So either way :-P Did my ffx startup time go unnoticed? (IE: Would it be useful for me to post it again for you?)
[08:00] <Hydroxide> levander: if thunderbird and gnome-system-monitor are slow as well, it probably hsa nothing to do with firefox
[08:00] <protocolX> Hydroxide: I think ubuntu is some kind of wrapper of debian though I have not tried it yet. I am a debian user, I would like to give it a try.
[08:01] <ruiner54> hydroxide: yeah, i imagine...what did u mean exactly? I hear YDL has come a long way but has many problems with different hardware
[08:01] <bob2> levander: right, sorry, I was high when I timed it
[08:01] <stjepan> File is showed in windows partition, but is it really in it?
[08:01] <Hydroxide> protocolX: ubuntu recompiles all the debian packages they include and provide their own mirrors and their own versions. ubuntu is a debian derivative, although they are quite close to debian in many regards and many of the same people work on both
[08:01] <Pauly> thanks guys:)
[08:01] <Pauly> Got it working:)
[08:02] <protocolX> Hydroxide: What is the main distinction of ubuntu which made more popular?
[08:02] <Madpilot> maybe the 3rd time is the charm: can someone tell me, please, why Ubuntu will no longer let me access either of my CD drives?
[08:02] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: I mean that, for example, if you look at the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard to figure out what all the different directories mean, Debian follows that quite closely. Debian also has certain idioms for doing things that are used over and over again
[08:03] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: the tools are much easier to use than, say, RPM, especially once you learn them but even one you just know the basics
[08:03] <stjepan> please help me
[08:03] <bob2> protocolX: I'd be surprisde if ubuntu was actually more popular
[08:03] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: the community gives really good support
[08:03] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: a lot of what I said applies to Ubuntu too
[08:03] <bob2> there's a lot of Debian machines out there
[08:04] <ruiner54> hydroxide: ahhh, i get ya....well good....YDL forums actually provided amazing support...too bad it sbuggy
[08:04] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: although it's certainly different. I don't really know for sure, but I think ubuntu's user community is more oriented around new users, whereas Debian's runs the gamut from new to guru
[08:04] <Hydroxide> (that's just a feeling I get, don't feel offended if I'm wrong)
[08:04] <glDaher> good morning, anybody made cvsd to work?
[08:04] <deco> is there something even lighter graphical system than xfce?, this machine is really crappy and i don't like to watch this laggyness
[08:04] <Hydroxide> bob2: hi there
[08:05] <bob2> Hydroxide: heya
[08:05] <ruiner54> hydroxide: any idea what i can use to watch avi's on ppc linux?
[08:05] <glDaher> I get a connection reset by peer error when trying to #cvs -d :pserver:daher@localhost:/var/cvs login
[08:05] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: mplayer or vlc or xine or totem ... etc
[08:05] <robertngo> deco, u can try fvwm
[08:05] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: what codec are they in? avi is just a container format
[08:06] <deco> robertngo: ok, thanks for tip
[08:06] <glDaher> I've found on a list somewhere a guy who say: i fix it changing "only_from      = localhost" line to  "only_from      =
[08:06] <glDaher> <IP_ADDRESS>" in /etc/xinetd.conf.
[08:06] <glDaher> and I don't have that config file
[08:07] <protocolX> bob2: I have not tried ubunto yet. But I guess debian's stable version is woody which would probably a bad thing. But debian unstable version sarge is quite good too except I get problems with mounting different device.
[08:07] <ruiner54> hydroxide: uhh , dunno much about that shit....properties, just say Microsoft AVI video...totem didnt have the correct codec to play it
[08:07] <protocolX> I guess ubuntu has solved some of the debian's pitfalls.
[08:07] <protocolX> As it is a derivative stuff.
[08:07] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: open up a terminal and run 'file /path/to/the/video.avi'
[08:07] <KarlosII> protocolX, debian stable is NOW SARGE
[08:08] <deco> :D
[08:08] <Hydroxide> protocolX: it fixes some things, but has some other downsides of its own. for some people it's better, for others it's worse
[08:08] <KarlosII> debian testing is ETCH
[08:08] <KarlosII> debian unstable is SID and will always be SID
[08:09] <FR500> WOWOWOW what an earthquake
[08:09] <backtoheaven> earthquake;
[08:09] <backtoheaven> really?
[08:09] <deco> linux ain't stable if you have earthquakes
[08:09] <Morten^Toft> ...
[08:09] <Hydroxide> hehehehe
[08:09] <KarlosII> :.
[08:09] <backtoheaven> ...-_-
[08:10] <glDaher> yeah use winblows
[08:10] <ruiner54> hydroxide: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 480, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 3 Low-Motion, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz)
[08:10] <Morten^Toft> :)
[08:10] <protocolX> KarlosII: It's great that Sarge is released as stable now. Sorry I have not been visiting their site recently.
[08:10] <Morten^Toft> ruiner54, have you tried vlc ?
[08:10] <KarlosII> ah
[08:10] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: there you go. the video is divx, and the audio is mp3
[08:10] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: can you play MP3s?
[08:10] <FR500> backtoheaven, yes
[08:10] <deco> hey what's that divx LOW-MOTION attribute, can someone explane where it comes?
[08:11] <FR500> i was on the shower
[08:11] <upgrdman> is there a proper way to remove a software raid array? so i can make it again from scratch
[08:11] <ruiner54> hydroxide: uhhh one sec...havent tried...just got ubuntu onto this computer
[08:11] <backtoheaven> hehe
[08:11] <KarlosII> totem gstreamer for me is a stuttering monster on all video, I use xine
[08:11] <KarlosII> totem gstreamer is the default multimedia app for ubuntu
[08:11] <KarlosII> though
[08:11] <FR500> KarlosII, you can get totem-xine
[08:12] <stjepan> which one do I need to play mp3?
[08:12] <KarlosII> FR500, I know
[08:12] <bob2> stjepan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:12] <FR500> stjepan, beep-media-player, xmms, amarok, many others
[08:12] <KarlosII> FR500, but ubuntu needs work inthe multimedia area
[08:13] <ruiner54> hydroxide: a cd will play (which is odd since i cant mount dvds)
[08:13] <FR500> KarlosII, it's like "intentional"
[08:13] <FR500> KarlosII, it's because of the restricted formats
[08:13] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: mp3s are different from cd audio
[08:14] <ruiner54> hydrocide: i know, but i dont have any mp3s on here yet
[08:14] <ruiner54> hydroxde: i know, but i dont have any mp3s on here yet
[08:14] <ruiner54> dammit
[08:14] <dr_willis> o_o
[08:14] <KarlosII> FR500, uhh there should be a recommended codec package that just works ncely with ubuntu and it's multimedia, I'm looking forward to the firefox plugin though in breezy
[08:15] <Hydroxide> FR500: interestingly enough, Debian includes MP3 decoding support in the distro, including the default GNOME and KDE installs, but no aac decoding support available at all ... ubuntu doesn't include mp3 decoding support in the default install (except for xmms for some reason), but does make aac decoding support available as an official package (in multiverse)
[08:15] <FR500> KarlosII, it all works(multimedia) if you follow ubuntuguide
[08:15] <KarlosII> :/
[08:15] <Hydroxide> FR500: ubuntuguide suggests some things of questionable legality, of course...
[08:15] <KarlosII> very funny
[08:15] <KodeK> uhhh, whenever i try using teamspeak, or skype, my friend and I get feedback. and we're both using headsets.
[08:15] <ruiner54> hydroxide: i will try and get one on here, test er out and let you know
[08:16] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: I am not going to be paying attention to IRC very much longer
[08:16] <FR500> Hydroxide, you mean w32codecs=
[08:16] <FR500> ?
[08:16] <KodeK> anyone know what it could be?
[08:16] <Hydroxide> ruiner54: it's 2:15 AM here
[08:16] <Hydroxide> FR500: that is one of the bigger examples, yeah
[08:16] <Hydroxide> FR500: many people do it, of course, but it should at least have a big fat warning
[08:17] <FR500> yeah
[08:17] <Hydroxide> FR500: it's a pretty clear copyright infringement of the DLLs it's derived from
[08:17] <jaysin> Hey all!
[08:17] <ruiner54> hydroxide: yeah, no trouble...i'll figure it out...should get to bed..its 3:15 here
[08:17] <FR500> what is a good idea for python?
[08:18] <jaysin> Can anyone think of a Webcam enabled messenger that works with yahoo and Ubuntu?
[08:18] <cinta> fsf
[08:19] <cinta> hai
[08:19] <Hydroxide> FR500: other examples besides w32codecs are libdvdcss2 (which might violate DMCA-like laws) and the pre-built Java 1.5 packages (which I don't believe are allowed to be distributed)
[08:20] <FR500> Hydroxide, well, anyway it says in big writing unofficial guide
[08:20] <Hydroxide> (the Java might be legal if it's from Blackdown, but I didn't think they used that naming convention or had gotten up to 1.5
[08:20] <Hydroxide> )
[08:20] <Hydroxide> FR500: yeah, I'm not blaming Canonical, but the user community shouldn't be advocating it as recommended advice for all new users, at least not without some big big warnings
[08:21] <Hydroxide> Skype is probably also not allowed to be downloaded other than from skype.com
[08:21] <Hydroxide> the list goes on
[08:21] <FR500> ok, never again
[08:22] <Hydroxide> didn't mean to sound like I was singling out you ... the guide could be improved a lot if it just had more discussion instead of just barebones warnings
[08:22] <Hydroxide> err, barebones instructions
[08:22] <protocolX> Hydroxide: What is the best thing in ubuntu?
[08:23] <Hydroxide> it feels like it's just telling you, "run these commands blindly without knowing any background on what it does"
[08:23] <Hydroxide> protocolX: hard for me to say, having only used the livecd and a couple of quick test installs on a HD :) I'd have to say, though, that it makes certain desktop/consumer-oriented things "just work" a bit easier than debian
[08:24] <Hydroxide> protocolX: but, you can also get Debian to have the same level of "Just Work"ingness, but it takes a bit of setup
[08:24] <anacron> what was blackbox like windows management
[08:24] <FR500> protocolX, for me it is sooooo userfriendly at the beggining
[08:24] <FR500> protocolX, it's an inciting linux
[08:24] <Hydroxide> protocolX: however, ubuntu's focus on things Just Working for certain environments means that they make certain choices for you in advance, and if you want to deviate from them then the Just Working nature is greatly reduced
[08:25] <Hydroxide> protocolX: also, the Just Working nature encompasses less software than the Consistent Level of Workingness that pervades a greater portion of Debian
[08:25] <Hydroxide> protocolX: Debian also provides security updates for more software than ubuntu, but releases less frequently
[08:26] <stjepan> do you know any program for burning?
[08:26] <Pauly> cdrecord
[08:26] <deco> stjepan: gnomefiles.org
[08:27] <Hydroxide> stjepan: I think it's built into GNOME ... from the KDE world I like k3b. and yes, on the command line I use cdrecord
[08:27] <kamstrup> graveman if you want a graphical one
[08:27] <backtoheaven> nerolinux
[08:27] <stjepan> but for burning DVDs
[08:27] <Hydroxide> stjepan: most of these programs can do that too
[08:28] <Hydroxide> stjepan: I'm pretty sure that at least k3b can
[08:28] <deco> stjepan: i already said, check out that gnomefiles.org before asking more
[08:28] <kamstrup> stjepan: Click Go->CD Creator in your file manager
[08:28] <Hydroxide> stjepan: (although it would pull in a lot of kde dependencies if you're not running kubuntu)
[08:28] <kamstrup> Drag what you wanna burn there and click the "Burn" icon :-) SImple
[08:28] <Hydroxide> yeah, kamstrup's solution should work
[08:29] <deco> sounds too simple
[08:29] <tkiesel> stjepan: I use Gnomebaker. It has worked pretty well for me so far.
[08:29] <tkiesel> stjepan: And can burn DVDs
[08:29] <Hydroxide> deco: why too simple?
[08:29] <Hydroxide> tkiesel: most of these nice graphical programs are frontends for one or two command-line tools, which can already burn DVDs. meaning, that most of the graphical tools can burn DVDs
[08:30] <tkiesel> Hydroxide: Precisely.
[08:31] <Micksa> I have a question
[08:31] <Micksa> but I've forgotten what it is
[08:31] <Micksa> man I'm tired
[08:31] <tkiesel> Micksa: Heehee.
[08:31] <tkiesel> Micksa: Been there. You might have some sleep to catch up on.
[08:31] <Micksa> a little
[08:32] <deco> Hydroxide: it's so simple that somethings gotta go wrong when you don't even check out the basic adjustments
[08:32] <Micksa> but if I don't stay awake now I will end up nocturnal.
[08:32] <keepon> hi all
[08:32] <Hydroxide> deco: it probably has reasonable defaults. even with k3b I don't usually have to change any of them, even though I can
[08:32] <Hydroxide> but, I must sleep now
[08:32] <Hydroxide> good night all
[08:33] <tkiesel> Good night, Hydroxide.
[08:33] <deco> heh, it's 8:28 in here
[08:33] <deco> am
[08:34] <Hydroxide> /part/part
[08:34] <Hydroxide> errm
[08:34] <Micksa> thanks :)
[08:35] <Micksa> ah, I think I remember now
[08:35] <Micksa> I'm running breezy, and I've set my machine's display DPI to its real setting, 145
[08:35] <Micksa> it's made gnumeric misbehave. all the text in spreadsheets is too big
[08:36] <Micksa> it seems that fonts are rendered in "real" measurements while cells are measured in pixel measurements
[08:36] <Micksa> is this problem known?
[08:37] <Micksa> or shoudl I pester someone about it? :)
[08:37] <Lefraru> Hola
[08:37] <Lefraru> Alguin de Chile
[08:37] <Lefraru> HElp con AMSN
[08:38] <hondje> Lefraru: #ubuntu-es
[08:38] <goye2cz> how do I install a package I downloaded to my desktop that has the extension tar.bz2?
[08:39] <hondje> goye2cz: nothing :)
[08:39] <goye2cz> hondje: nice
[08:39] <goye2cz> hondje: too broad eh?
[08:39] <hondje> tar.bz2 means that it's archived with tar and compressed with bzip2
[08:39] <Lefraru> gracias
[08:40] <hondje> goye2cz: exactly, what's inside the tarball matters, tar.bz2 is like .rar
[08:40] <Tomcat_> Unpack with "tar xvjf <file>"
[08:40] <Micksa> hang on, hang on
[08:40] <Micksa> goye2cz: what'd you download?
[08:40] <Whistler> whats the diference between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[08:40] <goye2cz> hondje: It's supposed to be ALSA firmware. I can see that everythign is there, I just don't know how to make it work.
[08:40] <Micksa> okay.
[08:40] <Whistler> ?
[08:40] <Tomcat_> Whistler: The first updates your package list, the second updates your packages
[08:41] <Micksa> goye2cz: um, I have no idea :)
[08:41] <Micksa> hang on
[08:41] <Micksa> firmware?
[08:41] <Micksa> what's the name of the file?
[08:41] <goye2cz> Micksa: alsa-firmware-1.0.9rc4.tar.bz2
[08:41] <hondje> alsa firmware?
[08:42] <goye2cz> why does everybody always freak out when I talk about firmware? :-)
[08:42] <hondje> because alsa and firmware don't belong in the same sentance, usually
[08:42] <Whistler> oh thx
[08:42] <goye2cz> hondje: I have read that what I'm trying to do is a little more involved than the norm.
[08:42] <hondje> YMMV, offer void in Utah and to children under twelve.
[08:42] <Whistler> i have another problem
[08:43] <Micksa> goye2cz: where did you get that file from/
[08:43] <Micksa> ?
[08:43] <Whistler> in windows my display refresh rate is 85
[08:43] <Whistler> in ubuntu i can select only 75
[08:43] <Whistler> what can i do?
[08:43] <goye2cz> Micksa: ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/
[08:43] <hondje> Whistler: In your xorg.conf file, you need to set horiz/vert rates to match your monitor
[08:44] <goye2cz> Micksa: I'm following instructions found on the ubuntu forums, but got stuck when there was a broken link.
[08:44] <Micksa> got a url?
[08:44] <Micksa> I'll see if I can help you out with the broken link
[08:44] <Pauly> Anyone here know how to run a preinstalled version of XP in QEMU?
[08:44] <Whistler> where is this file?
[08:44] <deco> Whistler: check out the xorg.conf, and are you sure that your windows doesn't lie to you, due to some graphical overclock tools such as powerstrip
[08:44] <Micksa> at least
[08:44] <goye2cz> Micksa: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30891.html
[08:45] <deco> Whistler: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:45] <Micksa> Tascam US-122?
[08:45] <Micksa> what's that, some nigerian brand? :)
[08:45] <goye2cz> Micksa the link to download the RPM doesn't work, so I'm following the instructions in the alsa-tools readme
[08:45] <Micksa> rpm eh
[08:45] <goye2cz> Micksa: right
[08:47] <hondje> Whistler: using the command 'sudo ddcprobe | grep monitorrange', you'll get two ranges. The first one goes in your monitor section under HorizSync, the second goes in VertRefresh
[08:47] <Whistler> there is no xorg.conf in x11
[08:47] <hondje> Whistler: after you change those values to match, restart your X server by using ctrl-alt-backspace.
[08:47] <deco> Whistler: are you sure?
[08:47] <hondje>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...the X is capital, *nix is case sensative
[08:48] <deco> yeah that must be it
[08:48] <deco> Whistler: copypaste this
[08:48] <deco> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:49] <Micksa> goye2cz: try getting ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/packman.iu-bremen.de/suse/9.0/noarch/alsa-firmware-1.0.9-0.pm.0.noarch.rpm
[08:49] <Micksa> follow the instructions as normal using that
[08:49] <Micksa> and cross your fingers :)
[08:49] <deco> and ask your friend cross them too
[08:49] <Whistler> it opens file
[08:49] <Whistler> but its empty
[08:49] <goye2cz> Micksa: heh heh, will do. Thanks.
[08:50] <gm78> hondje : hey, remember me? i got transcode working....finally. I found a deb for it that worked on ubuntu
[08:50] <Whistler> ?
[08:50] <hondje> gm78: good deal :)
[08:50] <hondje> Whistler: cat /etc/issue
[08:50] <Whistler> anybody can help me?
[08:50] <Micksa> how we all do love licensing
[08:50] <Micksa> best idea EVER
[08:51] <deco> Whistler: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:51] <Micksa> or even
[08:52] <Micksa> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:52] <gm78> Hey. I have a question. I am thinking about getting an AMD 64 (possibly Opteron...not sure yet.). I have heard that apt cannot handle multiple libs (32 bit and 64 bit). Is this true and how does Ubuntu work around this?
[08:52] <Whistler> admin@Linux:~ $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:52] <Whistler> Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:52] <Whistler> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[08:52] <Whistler> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[08:52] <Whistler> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is not installed
[08:52] <hondje> Whistler: cat /etc/issue
[08:53] <Whistler> cat /etc/issue type this in terminal?
[08:53] <hondje> yes
[08:54] <Whistler> admin@Linux:~ $ cat /etc/issue
[08:54] <Whistler> Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" \n \l
[08:54] <hondje> voila
[08:54] <deco> warty does not party
[08:54] <hondje> okay, instead of xorg.conf look in /etc/X11 for something like XF86Config4
[08:55] <hondje> Then do the same thing, change those two lines I told you about
[08:55] <gallonegro> hmm i wonder i get some help, firefox dosnet want to start anymore
[08:55] <Whistler> ok
[08:55] <Whistler> ill try
[08:57] <Whistler> should i do backup firs?
[08:57] <Whistler> ot its safe?
[08:57] <hondje> yeah, backup your config file
[08:58] <goye2cz> Micksa: SWEET. I'm in business.
[08:58] <Micksa> rock.
[08:59] <Micksa> feel free to create a deb that downloads and installes the firmware automatically 8)
[08:59] <hondje> hrm, count$ only works in gawk, not awk
[08:59] <Micksa> that's legal
[08:59] <hussam> hi, I compiled and installed planetpenguin-racer but I can't seem to be able to run it
[08:59] <hussam> gives error: open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[08:59] <hussam> tuxracer never gave this error
[09:00] <hussam> any ideas?
[09:00] <duken> hi
[09:00] <duken> how to remastering ubuntu step by step ?
[09:01] <gallonegro> any help on getting firefox running again?
[09:01] <tkiesel> gallonegro: Did you do anything to it that might have caused it to mess up?  Upgrade? Installed a new theme or extension?
[09:02] <gallonegro> i think i might have
[09:02] <gallonegro> however i uninstalled firefox
[09:02] <gallonegro> and tried to reinstall through package manager
[09:04] <tkiesel> If you want to try and totally remove it before reinstalling: sudo dpkg --purge mozilla-firefox
[09:04] <gallonegro> i got this
[09:04] <gallonegro> ependency problems prevent removal of mozilla-firefox:
[09:04] <gallonegro>  firefox depends on mozilla-firefox.
[09:04] <gallonegro> dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox (--purge):
[09:04] <gallonegro>  dependency problems - not removing
[09:06] <tkiesel> firefox?  Odd. I thought it was called mozilla-firefox.
[09:06] <tkiesel> Maybe a backports thing?
[09:06] <KarlosII> ...
[09:06] <tkiesel> Pauly: I've been setting it up these past few days for my wife.
[09:06] <KarlosII> I've had no upgrade issues
[09:06] <Pauly> Just says "booting from hard disk"
[09:06] <doktoreas> hi guys
[09:07] <tkiesel> Pauly: There are good Howtos on the Forum, and on the wiki.
[09:07] <goye2cz> any help to get qjackctl to work?
[09:07] <doktoreas> i am chosing a distro for my laptop
[09:07] <doktoreas> anyone uses ubuntu on laptop?
[09:07] <goye2cz> doktoreas: I do, but I'm a complete newbie
[09:07] <tkiesel> I used the Howto at the forum, and only needed the wiki to get the Samba sharing work.
[09:08] <tkiesel> goye2cz: What's your issue with qjackctl?
[09:09] <goye2cz> tkiesel: it tells me "could not connect to jack server as client"
[09:10] <tkiesel> goye2cz: On startup, or when you hit the "start" button?
[09:11] <goye2cz> tkiesel: when I hit the start button. Actually when I start it, the terminal gives this message: Warning: no locale found: /usr/share/locale/qjackctl_en_US.UTF-8.qm
[09:11] <tkiesel> goye2cz: If you haven't set up your kernel to load the realtime module, you'll need to hit "Setup" in qjackstl and uncheck the "Realtime" module.
[09:12] <tkiesel> err. "Realtime" checkbox. lol
[09:12] <aramiil> hello everybody
[09:12] <tkiesel> Hi vurdak. Hi aramiil.
[09:12] <deco> hello aramiil's body
[09:12] <goye2cz> tkiesel: just unchecked it. still no go.
[09:13] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Hrrrrm.  Try "killall esd" in a terminal, and see if qjackctl works then.
[09:13] <doktoreas> goye2cz: any problem installing on laptop?
[09:13] <gallonegro> i uninstalled firefox through packagae manger, how i can i reinstall through terminal
[09:14] <aramiil> I've got a really noob question... How can I see if my ubuntu version is the last one, and how can I update it if necessary?
[09:14] <goye2cz> doktoreas: basic install was no problem. I had to get help here to install my usb ethernet card, but now I'm running ubuntu with all normal functions fine.
[09:14] <hondje> aramiil: cat /etc/issue, and if it says 5.04 you're set
[09:14] <doktoreas> power menagement is ok?
[09:15] <goye2cz> tkiesel: did it, no change.
[09:15] <aramiil> ok, so where I can update? lol
[09:15] <goye2cz> doktoreas: now that you mentioned it, I did have a problem with that...
[09:16] <deco> gallonegro: use apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox, if i remember right
[09:16] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Dang. :(  I don't know.
[09:16] <goye2cz> doktoreas: when I am running from the charger and the battery is in the computer, when it gets fully charged, the computer shuts off immeniately like someone pulled the power cord.
[09:16] <goye2cz> tkiesel: thanks anyway.
[09:16] <goye2cz> doktoreas: right now I'm running on only the charger and the battery is not in the computer. I can run all day like this without it shutting down on me.
[09:17] <doktoreas> right now i use gentoo...
[09:17] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Sorry I couldn't help more. It worked pretty well for me after I figured out the realtime thing (though I later installed the realtime module anyway.)
[09:17] <doktoreas> but for my laptop i wanna try other distro
[09:17] <doktoreas> so i don't know if isntall ubuntu or debian
[09:17] <ratl3> hey, how do i alt-tab out of quake 3 into a gaim window like i do in windows?
[09:17] <deco> doktoreas: ubuntu might be easier to test
[09:17] <goye2cz> doktoreas: I don't really travel much with my laptop. It's more a of a samll desktop for me.
[09:18] <hondje> hehe
[09:18] <goye2cz> doktoreas: why not try the live cd?
[09:18] <ratl3> does anyone know, i've tried a google search... nothing
[09:18] <goye2cz> tkiesel: I'm not getting a response on the ardour channel but they were able to help get it up running once. Don't know what happened after that.
[09:19] <aramiil> how could I update to the latest version of ubuntu?
[09:19] <Seveas> aramiil, with apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:19] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Strange.  I'm hoping to start using Ardour soon to do some recording with my bass. Right now though, my wife and I have been busy fixing up the house. Some family is visiting next week. :)
[09:20] <Seveas> aramiil, are you still running warty?
[09:20] <aramiil> yes
[09:20] <goye2cz> tkiesel: small world. same stuff going on over here.
[09:20] <Seveas> aramiil: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:20] <ratl3> i found it...
[09:20] <ratl3> bah!
[09:20] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Heehee.  What are you going to use Ardour to record?
[09:21] <pepperpot> what's a good live cd that's capable of viewing multimedia? The hoary live cd has totem but it seems completely lacking in any codecs
[09:21] <tkiesel> Pauly: How so?
[09:21] <aramiil> ok, let's go! thanks a lot Seveas ;)
[09:21] <Pauly> Is it possible for qemu to ummmmm, take an already installed version of windows and boot it?
[09:21] <goye2cz> tkiesel: anything. I jsut finished a small project of reading words for a dictionary program my friend is writing. I used n-track on windows. I've heard such great things about linux, thought I'd give ardour a try.
[09:21] <Pauly> Without messing it up or copying it?
[09:22] <Seveas> pepperpot, mepis perhaps if they have a LiveCD
[09:22] <goye2cz> tkiesel: I record guitar though.
[09:22] <gallonegro> i'm still having problems with getting firefox working
[09:22] <tkiesel> Pauly: I believe that's possible. Some people were discussing it on the forum.  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39513
[09:22] <Seveas> gallonegro, what are these problems?
[09:22] <gallonegro> firefox dosnet start
[09:23] <Seveas> gallonegro, hmm, ouch
[09:23] <Seveas> which version do you have?
[09:23] <gallonegro> i think its 1.0.4
[09:23] <Seveas> oh no
[09:23] <Seveas> backports?
[09:23] <gallonegro> i;m new to this, so which backports should i have
[09:23] <Seveas> gallonegro, no i meant, are you using backports?
[09:23] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Cool. Yeah, I was a fan of CoolEdit in Windows, and after switching to Linux, was wowed by some Ardour screenshots. I'm looking forward to playign with it.
[09:24] <geppy> Is there a way for me to make a boot floppy for an Ubuntu install?  My laptop's BIOS doesn't support booting from CD.
[09:24] <Seveas> geppy, not yet
[09:24] <geppy> Seveas: Not even possible that I could build one?  :/
[09:24] <gallonegro> were do i check if i'm using backports
[09:24] <geppy> Seveas: I've got a VMware workshop to attend in the morning, and I'd like to get my embarrassing Windows 2k install off of it. ;)
[09:24] <Lefraru> #ubuntu-es
[09:25] <Seveas> geppy, you could try making a grub boot floppy that boots the CD, but i don't know whether that is possible at all
[09:25] <doktoreas> guys is there any problem for ubuntu to resize ntfs win partition?
[09:25] <geppy> heh
[09:25] <doktoreas> i should create partition first?
[09:25] <geppy> hmmm
[09:25] <Seveas> doktoreas, ntfsresize on Ubuntu is working just fine
[09:25] <geppy> Oooooh
[09:25] <geppy> There is a grub installer for windows
[09:25] <geppy> I'll google for that
[09:25] <doktoreas> thx Seveas
[09:26] <Lefraru> VIVA CHILE
[09:26] <goye2cz> tkiesel: and you can't beat the price tag with a stick.
[09:26] <hondje> Yeah, green chile on tamales owns....
[09:26] <SteveA> i'm installing hoary to a new system that has two 120GB disks.  I've set up the partitioning as I want it, and selected "configure software raid" and RAID1 from the partitioning menu.  It tells me i have no unused partitions of the type "Linux RAID Autodetect".  What do i need to do?
[09:26] <geppy> How can I use GRUB to boot to a CD-ROM drive?
[09:27] <geppy> wtf
[09:27] <geppy> I don't have a floppy in my desktop
[09:28] <tkiesel> goye2cz: That's for sure. ;) I'm going to be exchanging tracks with a guitarist/drummer friend of mine. We'll be makign songs without even being in the same part of the country. It' sjust a neat feeling.
[09:28] <jacquesmerde> has the mounting and unmounting of cdroms bug been fixed yet in ubuntu? i want to come back to ubuntu again...
[09:29] <tkiesel> jacquesmerde: Which version were you using that didn't mount your cdroms?
[09:29] <goye2cz> tkiesel: sounds nice.
[09:30] <pibarnas> Hey, does anyone get SB Live to work on Ubuntu Hoary?
[09:30] <Razor-X> anyone here at the moment use LaTeX?
[09:30] <jacquesmerde> tkiesel: i was using hoary. most of the times i tried to play an audio cd, the cd player would crash, and i had to do a sudo eject to get the cd out (though occassionally it worked fine)
[09:30] <Razor-X> pibarnas: if it's attemptable, it's been done
[09:30] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:30] <xydinesh> I tried to use LaTeX
[09:31] <Razor-X> xydinesh: why'ld you stop?
[09:31] <xydinesh> It's really nice
[09:31] <Razor-X> yeah, I like it
[09:31] <Razor-X> ahhh, hondje
[09:31] <MorphDK> I'm trying to upgrade to openoffice.org2, but if I want to remove openoffice.org, it removes my ubuntu-desktop package too.. isn't ubuntu-desktop important?
[09:31] <xydinesh> U new to LaTeX or expert ;)
[09:31] <Razor-X> you're like the "I know everything you're about to learn"-buddy of mine
[09:31] <hondje> don't write papers without it
[09:31] <pibarnas> It seems to be configured, but there's no sound here.
[09:31] <Razor-X> xydinesh: new
[09:31] <hondje> hehe
[09:31] <xydinesh> me too buddy :D
[09:31] <hondje> Razor-X: what need ye?
[09:32] <Razor-X> hondje: by default, LaTeX doesen't indent the first paragraph in a section?
[09:32] <MorphDK> help please? :(
[09:32] <xydinesh> If you interested I can give some good tutorials
[09:32] <tkiesel> jacquesmerde: Hmmm. I don't know if there have been any bugfixes related to that. *searches*
[09:32] <goye2cz> tkiesel: I guess I just remembered how I got it working before. I have ardour running now!
[09:32] <Razor-X> xydinesh: i'm using the Learn LaTeX in <I forget> minuts
[09:32] <tkiesel> goye2cz: Awesome!
[09:32] <synd> MorphDK: no, its fine
[09:33] <hondje> Razor-X: It does for me, what document class are you using?
[09:33] <MorphDK> synd, but isn't the ubuntu-desktop package important :S
[09:33] <Razor-X> hondje: article
[09:33] <xydinesh> Razor-X: Dats y u v have to use it frequently
[09:33] <Razor-X> xydinesh: hehe, true
[09:33] <synd> MorphDK: i removed OOo a while back because i felt it to be bloated, and i only needed a word proc (abiword)
[09:33] <synd> MorphDK: dont worry
[09:33] <Razor-X> hondje: it's \documentclass[letterpaper,12pt] {article}
[09:33] <Razor-X> if you wanted to have it all ;)
[09:34] <MorphDK> synd, okay, thanks
[09:34] <xydinesh> Razor-X: if you don't mind send me a email I can forward I downloaded
[09:34] <synd> how sweet is gmail!
[09:34] <Razor-X> xydinesh: hmmm?
[09:34] <xydinesh> Raz-X: tutorials
[09:34] <Razor-X> synd: kickass
[09:34] <Razor-X> xydinesh: ok, what's your address?
[09:34] <Razor-X> (email, that is)
[09:34] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:34] <xydinesh><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <Razor-X> haha
[09:34] <Razor-X> i'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:35] <xydinesh> Ok, will send then
[09:35] <Razor-X> (yes, I was one of the first on, else that name wouldn't stay ;)
[09:36] <Sake> should hoary be giving md5 errors? specifically on dpkg-dev, libexpat and libpango
[09:36] <Sake> fresh 5.04 server install
[09:36] <jacquesmerde> tkiesel: my searching brought up bupkis, hope your searching is better than mine
[09:37] <Sake> oh woop nvm
[09:37] <mindspin> hi, I have an OT question, does anybody know a irc channel for automatisation, sps programming et al ?
[09:37] <tkiesel> jacquesmerde: I had no luck finding a bugzilla.ubuntu.com description that matches what you said. I've never had a persistant problem with CDs not automounting. *frown*
[09:37] <hondje> Razor-X: oh wait, none are indented
[09:37] <Sake> wget helps
[09:37] <Sake> =)
[09:37] <hondje> Razor-X: I don't know why, I always use report doctype though
[09:38] <Razor-X> hondje: how+
[09:38] <Razor-X> oh, heh
[09:38] <Razor-X> *?
[09:39] <Razor-X> hondje: what's the difference
[09:39] <Razor-X> ohhh, I see
[09:39] <Razor-X> report is meant for long reports though...
[09:39] <hondje> yeah
[09:39] <hondje> article is more in line with what journals want, as I understand it
[09:40] <hondje> report is more for what hondje slaves away at
[09:40] <Razor-X> well, this is long, but book is inconvenient since I have to make a seperate toc
[09:40] <Seveas> Razor-X, \tableofcontents
[09:40] <Razor-X> Seveas: does that work in book also?
[09:40] <Seveas> you bever write a toc yourself in TeX
[09:40] <Seveas> Razor-X, yes
[09:41] <Razor-X> why not just let it make a ToC for me?
[09:41] <Seveas> but book should only be used for books :)
[09:41] <Sake> ugh
[09:41] <hondje> Seveas is right, unless you're going to write a very large article
[09:42] <Razor-X> like, 50 pages plus+
[09:42] <Razor-X> *?
[09:42] <Seveas> 50pages+ is still not a book
[09:42] <Razor-X> ok then, i'm wrong ;)
[09:42] <Seveas> just a long article/report
[09:42] <Razor-X> under what conditions should I use 'report' or 'article' then?
[09:42] <hondje> 50 pages is a report :)
[09:42] <Razor-X> hondje: wow ;)
[09:42] <hondje> you can force an indent with \indent
[09:43] <Razor-X> the most i've had to do in school is 30 (IIRC)
[09:43] <hondje> but I'm really not familiar at all with article
[09:43] <Razor-X> but, this isn't a school doc, so, yeah
[09:43] <hondje> I try to avoid long ones, but I picked dumb majors
[09:44] <Razor-X> hondje: LaTeX will be of use to me, hoping to go into Pure Mathematics (unless my parents stop me, which they're trying all their might at)
[09:44] <hondje> I even made my own package, so I can \usepackage{hondje}
[09:44] <Razor-X> *much use
[09:44] <hondje> ah, pure math is good stuff
[09:44] <Razor-X> fun stuff ;)
[09:45] <hondje> no way faster to write math papers, really
[09:45] <hondje> I know some classmates use some office thingy to do it, poor bastards
[09:46] <christos> i m having trouble with realplayer can anyone help?
[09:46] <hondje> Razor-X: try putting a blank line between \begin{document} and your first line, that's all I can think of
[09:46] <hondje> and now I go to bed, praising allah that I work not this night :)
[09:46] <Razor-X> hondje: well, it's a section title ;)