[07:40] <Amaze-balls> morning !
[10:21] <czajkowski> ello Amaze-balls
[16:05] <czajkowski> bah ebel what is your twitter handle
[16:05] <czajkowski> irony I need to come to irc to ask
[16:05] <slashbel> lalonde
[16:05] <czajkowski> that's it!!!
[16:05] <czajkowski> bah
[16:05] <ebel> :)
[16:06] <ebel> When I set up twitter, I thought about diversifying my usernames & nicks...
[16:06] <czajkowski> interesting idea
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> keeps the nsa on their toes :-)


[00:38] <JanC> ducktype: my guess is that upstart thinks mysql is started before it's actually listening
[00:41] <ducktype> oh good
[00:41] <ducktype> checking that one
[00:42] <JanC> at least, that could explain things  ;)
[00:42] <ducktype> a simple pre-start sleep should do the trick
[00:44] <ducktype> nothing :(
[00:44] <ducktype> mm wait
[00:45] <JanC> you can try to log something before it starts mydns
[00:45] <JanC> to make sure it actually tries to start it
[00:48] <ducktype> mm why: post-start script sleep 3 end script
[00:49] <ducktype> in the mysql job make start mysql wait forever, like when i specified "task" before to try
[00:55] <ducktype> JanC: i've logged from mysql pre/post start and mydns pre/post start i nto a file
[00:56] <ducktype> i only see one line mysql pre-start end
[00:56] <ducktype> seems thath the mysql job is't considered finished
[00:56] <JanC> so basically upstart doesn't detect when mysql is finished starting
[00:56] <ducktype> hangs on exec /usr/sbin/mysqld
[00:57] <JanC> you might need an "expect" stanza
[00:58] <JanC> or cheat and start mysqld from pre-start instead  ;)
[00:59] <JanC> hm, it seems like Ubuntu starts mysqld without such tricks...
[01:01] <JanC> ducktype: this is the default mysql.conf in Maverick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/552322/
[01:02] <ducktype> thamk you, checking..
[01:02] <JanC> things like the AppArmor profile you probably don't need
[01:15] <ducktype> i'm using mariadb not mysql but they are really the same
[01:15] <ducktype> seems to be: exec /usr/sbin/mysqld &
[01:15] <ducktype> the &
[01:15] <ducktype> now doesn't hang on exec


[01:41] <nowald> hi, can anyone help with a shoutdown trouble with 7.10 ?
[13:21] <zombie_monkey> do I have /quit
[13:21] <zombie_monkey> em
[21:52] <Robert1> how can i control my cpu fans?laptop amilo pa1538 amd64x2


[04:50] <tsimonq2> Time for many 3 way diffs :P
[04:54] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Hopefully I won't have to do that. The only reason I had to draw from Experimental in the previous work was in order to "jump over" the bad version in Experimental. But now that 1.2.0 is in some of these packages, the bad version has already been jumped over.
[04:55] <arraybolt3[m]> I do wish they would have some level of coordination though. I mean good grief. I didn't even get a comment on an MR that was rendered useless, I just went to comment and noticed that it said "merge blocked".
[04:56] <arraybolt3[m]> And I have yet to hear back from Andrew about the current plans.
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I think what I should do is roughly:
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 1. Finish auditing and updating each of our packages.
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 2. Attempt to upstream changes to Debian and pray that someone notices the MR before blindly pushing straight into sid and making me have to redo the work again.
[04:58] <arraybolt3[m]> 3. Sync the finished work back into Ubuntu.
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]>  * I think what I should do is roughly:
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> 1. Finish auditing and updating each of our packages.
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> 2. Attempt to upstream changes to Debian and hope that it doesn't get run over.
[04:59] <arraybolt3[m]> (btw how do I sync a package from Debian into Ubuntu? I forgot the command to do that.)
[05:01] <tsimonq2> syncpackage
[05:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah it looks like they just finished the 1.1.0 transition without me and moved on to 1.2.0 without any notice.
[05:08] <arraybolt3[m]> On the bright side lxqt-build-tools migrated to the release pocket successfully!
[05:08] <arraybolt3[m]> s/me/us/
 Congrats @arraybolt3 👍
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks :)
[05:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry about the somewhat bitter earlier iterations of some of my messages a bit ago - I'm pretty upset about how much work was lost. Hey, at least it has a bright side to it!
[05:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, got a tag pushed into Git now that the package is all the way through.
[05:17] <guiverc> arraybolt3[m], you tried (Debian 1.1.0) is probably the main thing.. If teams get rid of the real problem (people) they find there is no one left.. everyone has days when they're not at their best so I'll suggest don't get disheartened when at times things don't work  (esp. where people are involved)
[05:19] <arraybolt3[m]> guiverc: Thanks, I like how you put that :) Anyway eventually this will (hopefully) calm down. And there's a lot else to be happy about so that's good.
[05:22] <guiverc> I for one appreciate the Debian work you did... I'm still waiting for response from the recycler mob I'm trying to buy new machine from & thus am still using a different box running Debian; and it in my opinion benefits from some of your work on LXQt 1.1.0, so thank you from me !
[05:45] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Well thanks, that's good to hear!
[13:23] <guiverc> ^  is my view;  I didn't mind Lubuntu 21.04 long ago, but I was tired of my bookworm still using that LXQt
 *whistles nonchalantly to himself as the only Debians he uses are as servers so no GUI*
[13:26] <guiverc> I can understand that..... I do really think of it as a server OS
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> o/
[17:42]  * arraybolt3[m] uploaded an image: (224KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/wuvRkHMxdlgoJRCmnRKaYbec/screenshot-0ab547c1.jpg >
[17:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm... looks like we have a bug with the progress indicator in pcmanfm-qt when copying files over SSHFS.
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: I have discovered the *ultimate* file-sharing tool for VMs. 9pfs. (At least it seems ultimate right now.)
[18:06] <arraybolt3[m]> I just shared my whole entire Home folder with a VM using QEMU's -virtfs switch, and am now literally able to run uscan and sbuild on files located only on the host, from within the VM. At least that's what it looks like right now.
[18:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway I'm now using that and SSHFS in tandem and it's working really well.
[18:11] <LeoK[m]> https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/9psetup
[18:11] <arraybolt3[m]> LeoK[m]: Oh nice, that thing had the command I pieced together from the fstab line from here: https://superuser.com/questions/628169/how-to-share-a-directory-with-the-host-without-networking-in-qemu
[19:06] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: congrats on your promotion!
[19:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, things are mostly going smoothly, but I guess the builders on LP must be backed up to high heaven since it's estimating hours until the ARM builds start (? I though ARM didn't have a whole lot of clogging problems).
[19:39] <arraybolt3[m]> (This for a PPA, the actual archive builds went pretty quickly except for riscv.)
 "Well, things are mostly going..." <- That's not unusual
[19:45] <tsimonq2> It all comes down to build priority
[19:45] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: I am afraid I just uploaded 225 KDE things to the archive as well, so it might take a while
[19:45] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: lol
[19:45]  * RikMills hides
[19:46]  * arraybolt3[m] , who has built a full KDE stack locally many times, shudders to think how long LP will take to do that on RISC-V 🤣
[19:46] <tsimonq2> RikMills: besides haskell ;P
[19:47] <RikMills> oh god. haskell
[19:47] <tsimonq2> shorter than the qtwebengine build time on amd64 😆
[19:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Oh yikes, really? I wonder how long qtwebengine takes to build on RISC-V then...
[19:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, whatever. Maybe I'll take my build downtime to finish that script.
[19:47] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: it doesn't build on riscv64
[19:48] <RikMills> thank god!
[19:49] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebengine-opensource-src/5.15.11+dfsg-3/+build/24897870 given that it takes almost 2 days 6 hours on arm64, probably a lot :P
[19:49] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt6-webengine/6.3.1+dfsg2-11ubuntu3/+build/24532752
[19:49] <tsimonq2> jinx, kinda ;)
[19:50] <RikMills> only because LP buildds suck for memory
[19:50] <RikMills> so we have to do j2 or something
[19:50] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: indeed
[19:50] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[19:51] <tsimonq2> RikMills: ah I always forget :P
[19:51] <tsimonq2> (Indeed re: test :P)
[19:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I thought qtwebengine required something like 64 GB of RAM or something hideous to build at all, make -j2 can build it with just 8?
[19:51] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:53] <tsimonq2> I'm gonna go to $sidejob for a bit, you may get Talk to Texans from me if you ping lol
[19:53] <RikMills> if you do some other memory saving things, yes
[19:53] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: I'm interested in this for a project I have in mind, what kind of memory-saving things? (This is entirely off-topic and non-Lubuntu, just me being curious.)
[19:55] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt6-webengine/6.2.4+dfsg-1ubuntu1
[19:55] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: Well that just simplified the script so much that I think it's done and ready for testing.
[19:56] <arraybolt3[m]> RikMills: Interesting, thank you!
[19:56] <arraybolt3[m]> That might let me build it on my old desktop for $futureProject one of these days.
[19:57] <RikMills> good luck!
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]> * for testing. (edit: Misunderstood, but still, more simple script, more easy testing, woot!)
[19:59] <arraybolt3[m]> For those who want to see what the current mess looks like:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a9903a529c2c28e29db381eb9ddb84f5d5c6bedf>)
[20:03]  * arraybolt3[m] goes and gets some food


[00:48] <redir> later #juju-dev
[00:48] <redir> EOW
[01:21] <mup> Bug #1571131 opened: juju add-ssh-key $(cat ~/.ssh/a-key.pub) needs quoting in helptext <helpdocs> <juju-core:Triaged by reedobrien> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571131>
[21:44] <mup> Bug #1571254 opened: Can't deploy multiseries charms in bundles <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571254>
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1571254 changed: Can't deploy multiseries charms in bundles <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571254>
[22:02] <mup> Bug #1571254 opened: Can't deploy multiseries charms in bundles <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571254>


[01:59] <bigjools> bjf: yeah it's a packaging bug, is filed somewhere
[03:02] <bjf> bigjools, cool, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted me to file a bug for it
[03:50] <smoser> roaksoax, tomorrow. sorry.
[04:26] <bigjools> hi :)
[04:26] <Lord_Set> Hello
[04:26] <Lord_Set> Getting some awesome pxe errors
[04:26] <Lord_Set> 2014-02-11 20:01:17-0800 [HTTPPageGetter,client] Logged OOPS id OOPS-9168ac1b2e875425f6b7ee91899da19a: No exception type: No exception value
[04:26] <Lord_Set> 2014-02-11 20:01:17-0800 [HTTPPageGetter,client] Logged OOPS id OOPS-e3d0e778908b133237b872870492049b: ParserError: while parsing a block mapping
[04:26] <Lord_Set>           in "/etc/maas/pserv.yaml", line 60, column 5
[04:26] <Lord_Set>         expected <block end>, but found '<block mapping start>'
[04:26] <Lord_Set>           in "/etc/maas/pserv.yaml", line 68, column 6
[04:27] <bigjools> did you modify pserv.yaml?
[04:27] <Lord_Set> I uncommented the lines that shouldn't have been commented out like the tftp server lines
[04:27] <Lord_Set> Didn't touch anything else
[04:28] <bigjools> it uses defaults, you don;t need to touch them
[04:28] <bigjools> can you paste me your config?
[04:28] <Lord_Set> Sure
[04:28] <bigjools> or better, revert and try again and see if it workd
[04:28] <bigjools> works
[04:34] <bigjools> Lord_Set: can you re-comment those lines
[04:35] <bigjools> they don;t line up with the block so it's confusing the yaml parser
[04:36] <Lord_Set> Sure
[04:38] <Lord_Set> That worked! thanks
[04:38] <bigjools> cool
[04:38] <Lord_Set> Not sure why it had those uncommented
[04:38] <bigjools> me neither
[04:44] <Lord_Set> Doing a big test deploying on a full rack for Openstack deployment
[04:44] <Lord_Set> err deployment
[04:45] <bigjools> nice
[04:45] <Lord_Set> The rack is at SwitchNAP in Vegas :)
[06:54] <bigjools> roaksoax: I took the liberty of implementing the packaging change for the tool renaming: https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/packaging/+merge/205901
[06:54] <bigjools> waiting for your review
[07:55] <rvba> bigjools: I'm using the package from the daily PPA and a node enlistment just failed with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6918675/.  I'm guessing maas-enlist  needs updating… ?
[09:09] <Lord_Set> Quick question for you guys... What do you reccomend for remote power management and provisioning of MAAS nodes? WoL? IMPI? ILO 4?
[09:10] <Lord_Set> We are running most HP 5th and 6th generation servers I believe with ILO 2 natively built in.
[09:11] <Lord_Set> Also outside of that any suggestions or recommended paths for openstack, hadoop, and savannah deployment once the NAAS nodes are deployed?
[09:12] <Lord_Set> Our original test platform was with Mirantis but decided to move away from it due to its inability to provision across geographical locations easily.
[09:21] <jtv> Lord_Set: generally IPMI.  Don't know about HP specifically — no experience with the ILO driver, but it's supposed to have some peculiarities.
[09:57] <bigjools> Lord_Set: ipmi2 will work OOTB
[09:57] <bigjools> on HP
[10:16] <rvba> jtv: well, I guess what we've done must be standard for packaged Django applications.  But if you think we can do better, it's worth talking to Andres about it.
[10:17] <jtv> Well seeing now that we didn't use peer auth, I would guess that something in the infrastructure doesn't support it.  In fact it rings a vague bell.
[11:39] <rvba> jtv: just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1279304
[11:52] <rvba> jtv: btw, did you resolve your uvtools issues?
[11:56] <jtv> Yes!
[11:56] <jtv> It's a libvirt problem — you now need to ensure that the "default" network is started.
[11:57] <rvba> Is this something that will be done by uvtool or does this mean we need to update maas-test?
[13:59] <rvba> jtv: testing a Saucy MAAS server now…
[14:01] <jtv> rvba: keep an eye on the console.
[14:02] <jtv> The traceback happens before the JSON data dump.
[14:02] <rvba> jtv: I don't have a monitor hooked up to the node.
[14:02] <rvba> jtv: but the test should fail correct?
[14:03] <jtv> I don't know.
[14:03] <jtv> I had test failures, but those might be for different reasons.
[14:03] <jtv> It's quite possible that the error gets ignored and things work more-or-less-OK.
[14:04] <rvba> That would explain the success testing stuff in the lab.
[14:04] <jtv> Don't we have any validation of Node.system_id anywhere?  I'm not seeing it in the model or the form.
[14:04] <jtv> Sometimes I guess having really really slow hardware has its advantages.
[14:05] <rvba> Don't know if we validate system ids anywhere.
[14:05] <jtv> Anyway, I fixed the bug (probably mostly on intuition) for trunk in Burlingame, because the python 3 stuff looked more urgent then.
[14:41] <jtv> rvba: here's a stab at the form approach to the API call → https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/validate-network-nodes-filter/+merge/205972
[14:44] <rvba> jtv: cool, I'll have a look in a moment.
[14:44] <jtv> Thanks.
[16:13] <tomixxx4> hi, does anyone have a download link to a boot images which can be used from the nodes?
[16:14] <tomixxx4> or can i simply install "ubuntu server" on the nodes too?
[16:16] <jtv> tomixxx4: the cluster controller imports those by itself.
[16:16] <jtv> There's a button in the UI.
[16:16] <tomixxx4> jtv: ok but assume the network interface is "unamanged", how can the nodes get the images then?
[16:17] <jtv> The DHCP server has to be told to make the nodes netboot from the cluster controller.
[16:17] <jtv> That's the custom DHCP server configuration I mentioned in the past.
[16:17] <tomixxx4> jtv: maas-dhcp-server does not work in my case
[16:17] <jtv> What's the problem?
[16:18] <tomixxx4> jtv: when i boot the nodes, the nodes print out "TFTP prefix: unable to loacte configuraiton file"
[16:19] <tomixxx4> jtv: so, i want to boot from a usb-stick. the question is, if i can simply install the same ubuntu server image than used for the maas-server
[16:19]  * jtv greps source
[16:20] <jtv> Got me there.  I don't know!
[16:20] <jtv> But netbooting is pretty central.
[16:20] <tomixxx4> jtv: ok, the dashboard mention sth about "avahi boot"
[16:21] <jtv> I never looked into that... maybe rvba would know.
[16:21] <tomixxx4> jtv: i have tried many things to get this dhcp - functionality to run, but i have still made no real progress. i have re-installed maas a few minutes ago ;)
[16:22] <tomixxx4> my last hope is to ignore dhcp-server-funktionality, connect the nodes directly to the external-network (so that they have i-net-access) and voila. but first i need a boot image
[16:23] <jtv> No chance of running the built-in DHCP server?
[16:24] <tomixxx4> no, it seems not. :( i never got thhis error before (TFTP prefix...) but since i tried to NAT in order to connect the nodes to the i-net, it does not work anymore.
[16:25] <tomixxx4> even if i clear NAT-tables now, i get this error message
[16:25] <tomixxx4> I have also tried to reboot ubuntu server and so one.
[16:26] <tomixxx4> iptables after reboot was empty but the nodes were not able to download the pxe images...
[16:27] <tomixxx4> jtv: the original problem was: if the nodes have no access to internet, juju does not work
[16:28] <jtv> The error does seem to mean that the node is trying to download its boot image over TFTP, which is good.
[16:28] <tomixxx4> jtv: juju does not work, because i have to deploy multiple lxc containers on a single node and the lxc-container creation failed because of no internet
[16:28] <jtv> Argh.
[16:28] <tomixxx4> yeah...
[16:28] <jtv> No way of giving the nodes access to the internet?
[16:29] <jtv> The TFTP connection should be straight to the cluster controller, so within the network you control — that part shouldn't require internet access, as long as the cluster has imported the images.
[16:29] <tomixxx4> the idea was maas-dhcp-server + NAT, as the dhcp-server has two interfaces, one connected to the outside-internetworking-network
[16:29] <jtv> (By the way, if you want to look at the images, they're on the cluster controller under /var/lib/maas)
[16:29] <tomixxx4> jtv: yeah, the images are there
[16:30] <tomixxx4> resp. the were there
[16:30] <jtv> You should be OK running the DHCP server on the gateway — just a matter of making sure you configure the right interface.
[16:31] <jtv> If the interface is already configured when you set up MAAS, MAAS will pick it up automatically with its details, and you can just set up DHCP in the MAAS UI.
[16:31] <tomixxx4> jtv: i got an bash script from gmb for the NAT thing so this should not be the problem.
[16:35] <tomixxx4> jtv: interface-configuration looks as follow: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6920783 and bash script for NAT: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6920787
[16:36] <tomixxx4> whereas eth0 connects the server to the nodes and eht1 connects the server to the i-net
[16:36] <jtv> Right.
[16:37] <jtv> That part looks good.
[16:37] <jtv> A bit too tired now to understand the shell script...
[16:37] <jtv> (Timezones)
[16:37] <tomixxx4> jtv: i have already attache dns-nameserver to the eth0, because otherwise there is a lookup problem later on in juju
[16:39] <tomixxx4> jtv: 11:37 p.m. ? ^^
[16:39] <jtv> Just about!
[16:39] <jtv> So... it sounds as if you're successfully doing NAT and DNS?
[16:40] <tomixxx4> dont know, maybe this tftp-exception is caused by misconfiguration
[16:41] <tomixxx4> jtv: at least, dhcp seems to work because the nodes get their ips and so one
[16:41] <tomixxx4> jtv: but they cannot downlaod the boot images...
[16:42] <jtv> Where exactly was that TFTP error message, by the way?  On the node's console?
[16:42] <tomixxx4> yep, on the nodes console
[16:43] <jtv> Then something you might try is force the tftp server to log to a file.  It produces lots and lots of debug output, really horrible, but I find it can help debug these problems.
[16:44] <jtv> Unfortunately I'm about to fall asleep and don't recall where that can be done.
[16:44] <jtv> We direct the output to /dev/null because there's just too much.
[16:44] <jtv> But if nothing else, it would tell you whether the TFTP server got the node's request at all.
[16:45] <tomixxx4> kk, i will try this but first i will try to do sth witouth dhcp
[16:46] <jtv> I think it'll be harder!
[16:47] <tomixxx4> what is the option "use the fast installer" ?
[16:47] <tomixxx4> in the node menu
[16:47] <jtv> All MAAS can really tell the node is: "next time you wake up, netboot.  Now, reboot."
[16:47] <jtv> The fast installer has some kind of ready-made image.
[16:47] <jtv> Doesn't always apply, but when it does, it installs the nodes faster.
[16:47] <tomixxx4> jtv: and i do not need dhcp for this?
[16:48] <jtv> You probably still do, because DHCP is part of the netbooting process.
[16:48] <jtv> (DHCP is really an extended version of BOOTP as I understand it)
[16:55] <tomixxx4> how does the maas-server know, when the node is "ready" ?
[17:04] <tomixxx4> j4i: installing "ubuntu server 12.04.03" as node boot image does not work
[17:16] <jtv> tomixxx4: a node becomes Ready when it completes the commissioning phase.  It reports that to the region controller through a web API.
[17:16] <tomixxx4> k
[17:16] <jtv> At that point, it is available for users to allocate.
[17:16] <jtv> When a user has the node allocated, it will be in Allocated state.
[17:18] <tomixxx4> i know, i had already nodes allocated :D
[17:18] <tomixxx4> i was so far
[17:19] <tomixxx4> question just arrised because i have tried to install boot image from usb-stick but nodes did not become "ready" after installation
[17:21] <tomixxx4> DOES maas dashbourd confuse ethernet-names?
[17:23] <jtv> I don't understand that last question...
[17:23] <jtv> You can't just boot from a USB stick completely; MAAS boots the node several times, with different images and options.
[17:24] <tomixxx4> kk
[17:24] <jtv> The images are (1) an ephemeral ("commissioning") image for enlistment & commissioning; and (2) an actual installer for deployment once you allocate.
[17:24] <tomixxx4> how many times boot maas, because i always have to manually POWER ON my nodes
[17:24] <jtv> Oops, there's my message to stop working and come home.  :)
[17:24] <jtv> Once for enlistment, once for commissioning, and once for deployment.
[17:25] <tomixxx4> kk
[17:25] <jtv> Once it's allocated to you, it's yours to reboot as often as you like.  :)
[17:25] <jtv> nn!
[17:27] <tomixxx4> gn8


[00:08] <queen-kelle> i'm new here, i just got this booted up in a virtual machine.
[11:00] <studio-user092> hey
[11:01] <studio-user092> i wonder if anibody can help me whit jack i have no sound
[11:44] <flo__> hi
[11:51] <sakrecoer> hi flo__ :) if you want answers, ask your question. otherwise, feel free to just hang around too of course :)
[11:57] <flo__> hi im searching for some clarification about the difference between soft-rt and rt kernels. im not into kernel programming but a bit interested in the topic.
[11:58] <sakrecoer> flo__: i'm not your best source of information on that topic, but i can tell you ubuntstudio uses low-latency kernel and as far as i know, RT kernels are good for misiles and jetplanes, while lowlatency are perfectly good enough for audio :)
[11:59] <sakrecoer> if no one better suited than me answers to you here, you could try ask that question in #opensourcemusicians
[11:59] <sakrecoer> flo__: ^
[11:59] <flo__> i know. thx ) just sought some more info than that : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[11:59] <flo__> great. thx
[12:11] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> hey
[12:11] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> anyone on here at this time 8:11 est
[12:11] <eylul> some people are :)
[12:12] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> so eylul what country are you from
[12:12] <eylul> Turkey, most of the devel team is actually from european timezones, so there is usually people around, this time of the day
[12:13] <eylul> did you have a question studio-d1g1t4Lnr
[12:14] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> yeah any updates on when the software center will be repaired?
[12:16] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> currently the software center does not install the various software correctly. you have to uninstall then reinstall with sudo in order for it to correctly install.
[12:18] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> also any place you know of i can check out this studio in comparison to other distributions?
[12:19] <sakrecoer> studio-d1g1t4Lnr: we don't develop the software center, so you might get better answer for that in #ubuntu
[12:20] <sakrecoer> studio-d1g1t4Lnr: regarding comparison... i don't know tbh, ask arround in #linuxmusicians and #opesnroucemusicians maybe :)
[12:20] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> thanks sakrecoer
[12:20] <sakrecoer> #opensourcemusicians even studio-d1g1t4Lnr  :)
[12:20] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> also the audacious is still working just great
[12:21] <sakrecoer> ah! it's you! :) glad to read that! :)
[12:21] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> yeah i tried the rythmbox for a while but there is nothing like using a application that works immediately and without a lot of hickups.
[12:22] <studio-d1g1t4Lnr> way back when the ubuntu started i used to use the xmms player
[12:26] <sakrecoer> studio-d1g1t4Lnr: i also tried rythmbox, but i didn't like how it scanned for audio everywhere... my sample libraries ended up in there and then i uninstalled..


[16:03] <blackboxsw> ok so the azure 1 min timeout during ssh-import-id in my SRU testing is really my fault, I'm definitely not setting up IPv6 properly per their preview feature. I'm going to try going through the full howto they've documented there verbatim to see if I can't get that ipv6 timeout to resolve https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/blob/master/articles/virtual-network/virtual-network-ipv4-ipv6-dual-stack-cli.md.
[16:03] <blackboxsw> This is *not* a regression in this SRU because the ipv6 timeout exists on the current released cloud-init too.
[16:31] <mattia> hello everyone
[16:32] <mattia> trying to understand cloud-init reasoning when writing 50-cloud-init.cfg
[16:32] <mattia> for in interfaces.d
[16:38] <blackboxsw> if a service honors a parts directory (like /etc/network/interfaces does via /etc/network/interfaces.d)  cloud-init wants to use the parts directory (/etc/network/interfaces.d in this case) because it allows cloud-init to avoid getting clobbered of something else writing custom config that cloud-init is unaware of.
[16:39] <blackboxsw> the config parts directory also allows other programs or users to extend network configuration (maybe for NICs that cloud-init isn't in charge of)  in separate config files without having to be worried about cloud-init overwriting their separate config
[16:41] <blackboxsw> if other vendors or platforms want to override specific config setup provided by cloud-init they would also have the ability to provide a /etc/network/intefarces.d/51-override-cloud-init.cfg if needed.
[16:41] <blackboxsw> hope that helps (if I understood the question)
[16:45] <mattia> good: that's what I was thinking :)
[16:45] <mattia> now the real problem: I have a problem with debian images writing "static" entries to that file
[16:46] <mattia> running openstack
[16:46] <mattia> if I understood correctly cloud-init just writes down the JSON it gets from the datasource, correct?
[17:02] <Xat`> hello guys, how can I use multiple userdata ?
[17:09] <blackboxsw> Xat`: you can try adding multiple text/cloud-config mime parts: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html#mime-multi-part-archive
[17:10] <blackboxsw> or multiple include-file directives https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/format.html#include-file
[17:10] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I confirmed following the dual stack load balancer setup with cloud-init doesn't have the IPv6 timeout issue. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zVd3mhJbWc/
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> mattia: If the data source provides network configuration then cloud-init will use it, yes.
[17:10] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, nice.  Gonna push up refreshed SRU validation logs?
[17:11] <blackboxsw> so it's a problem with my manual setup of dual-stack on a vm in azure, not with cloud-init proper
[17:11] <Xat`> blackboxsw: I could also use 'scripts/per-instance'
[17:12] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I need to change up the manual test approach for azure advanced networking setup. I'm hoping to  avoid having to setup a load balancer and two vms in azure to test ipv6... but it might be unavoidable ://
[17:12] <Xat`> executing scripts only at first boot is fine. "Any scripts in the ``scripts/per-boot`` directory on the datasource will be run
[17:12] <Xat`> every time the system boots."
[17:12] <Xat`> where is this directory located ?
[17:13] <blackboxsw> Xat`: on first boot only, then use the scripts/per-instance directory
[17:13] <blackboxsw> Xat`: generally it's in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-*
[17:13] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Yeah, needing to set up a load balancer seems like overkill.  Would reaching out to an Azure person for assistance perhaps make sense?
[17:13] <blackboxsw> there is a per-once directory too if you are creating your own image
[17:13] <Xat`> alright !! nice
[17:14] <mattia> Odd_Bloke, network information can be also obtained by the dhcp instead of the metadata server?
[17:15] <mattia> we are very puzzled: we have this odd "static interface" only with Debian (ubuntu works fine) and only when started in tenants that share the network but do not own it
[17:16] <mattia> i.e. all tenants except the admin one
[17:25] <Odd_Bloke> mattia: So you'll want to think about this in two phases: cloud-init writes out networking configuration, and then the network provider (ifupdown/netplan/...) acts on the written configuration.
[17:26] <Odd_Bloke> cloud-init could write out network configuration to DHCP on an interface (indeed, by default it will write out such configuration for the first interface), and then the second phase will configure the network device based on the DHCP response.
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> Or it could write out a static interface configuration, and then the second phase won't DHCP and so will just use the written configuration.
[17:27] <Odd_Bloke> So DHCP isn't an _alternative_ to the cloud-init network configuration, it would be configured _by_ the cloud-init network configuration.
[17:28] <Odd_Bloke> So there are a couple of obvious differences between Debian and Ubuntu that I would investigate: cloud-init version, and network provider.
[17:28] <Odd_Bloke> What versions of cloud-init are you using across the two distros?
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> And examining /var/log/cloud-init.log might also give you some clues.
[17:40] <mattia> I have this "stages.py[INFO]: Applying network configuration from ds bringup=True: {'version': 1, 'config': [{'type': 'physical', 'mtu': 1500, 'subnets': [{'type': 'static', ..."
[17:41] <mattia> while on a VM started in the admin tenant I have this:
[17:41] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: yeah I've just sent an email to some Azure contacts about ipv6 setup for a single vm
[17:45] <mattia> applying net config names for {'version': 1, 'config': [{'type': 'physical', 'mtu': 1500, 'subnets': [{'type': 'dhcp4'}],
[17:45] <mattia> same image and same network, the only difference we can see is the tenant
[17:52] <Odd_Bloke> mattia: What does `cloud-init query -a` on each one produce?
[17:52] <Odd_Bloke> (I'm wondering if the cloud is simply presenting different network config.)
[18:13] <usrdev> question - when using a no cloud image cloud image, what would cause the boot-up process to get stuck with standing up the network interface(s) ?
[18:14] <usrdev> i noticed hitting enter on console, it proceeds to grab a DHCP assigned IP. but i do not know why i would need to wait or for this to happen.
[18:33] <mattia> Odd_Bloke, 'query' does not seem to be a valid option on 18.3
[18:34] <mattia> It does return a lot of information on 19.2 (Ubuntu)
[18:39] <mattia> from I see on Ubuntu the network_json does not mention whether the configuration is static or dhcp
[18:39] <mattia> *from what I see
[19:02] <Odd_Bloke> mattia: Can you pastebin the network config?
[19:03] <Odd_Bloke> (The JSON, I mean.)
[19:03] <Odd_Bloke> usrdev: What distro (and version) are you running?
[19:11] <usrdev> @Odd_Bloke: debian 10 | 18.3 (cloud-init)
[19:15] <Odd_Bloke> usrdev: So I expect it's network-online.target that's blocking boot, and it will be doing that because there's a network interface that it is waiting for.
[19:16] <usrdev> you'd be correct, watching it boot up that is exactly where it hangs up. this is, after it renames the interface from i believe ens18 to eth0, then stalls there for a bit and proceeds.
[19:16] <usrdev> why would it be stalling?
[19:19] <Odd_Bloke> usrdev: Can you pastebin `systemd-analyze critical-chain`?
[19:20] <usrdev> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2xAYWYid/
[19:25] <Odd_Bloke> Hmm, I guess I was hoping something would jump out at me from that. :p
[19:25] <Odd_Bloke> usrdev: Could you file a bug using the link in the topic and attach the tarball produced by `cloud-init collect-logs` to it?
[19:39] <usrdev> Odd_Bloke: prior to doing so, let me ask this. i am using proxmox. and i am using the generic-cloud image of debian. that shouldn't be the issue right?
[19:46] <Odd_Bloke> I don't have enough Debian cloud knowledge to answer that with confidence, I'm afraid.
[19:50] <usrdev> i'll ask in their channel -- thanks for your help with this bit though! ;)
[20:00] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[20:00] <Odd_Bloke> Happy to help!
[20:00] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/180 is the first of maybe two PRs to fix the doc builds.
[20:00] <Odd_Bloke> This moves the configuration from the web interface into the repo.
[20:01] <Odd_Bloke> I don't think it will _actually_ fix the missing docs, but I want to be sure that the base configuration is good before I try messing with it.
[20:01] <Odd_Bloke> (I also don't know how I would test this anywhere but master, without a bunch of RTD setup hassle.)
[20:13] <meena> Odd_Bloke: taking a break from removing six?
[20:14] <Odd_Bloke> meena: Yeah, I was just doing that while long running tasks were happening.
[20:15] <Odd_Bloke> It's a nice-to-have, but I don't think it will really gain us a huge amount in the short term.
[20:16] <Odd_Bloke> requests still uses six, so we'll still be importing it at some point and it'll still be in the dependency tree.
[20:16] <Odd_Bloke> But it does mean as other projects also drop support for Py2 and remove six, we'll eventually be rid of it.
[20:53] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I haven't done Softlayer SRU verification before, I don't think.  How do I get credentials set up for launch-softlayer to work?  And what account do you use for your testing?
[20:59] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I think I had to run 'slcli config setup'
[21:00] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: ultimately  I have a ~/.softlayer config file with
[21:00] <blackboxsw> an api_key and SL163....
[21:00] <blackboxsw> an api_key and username = SL163....
[21:01] <blackboxsw> which is my personal canonical funded account
[21:03] <Odd_Bloke> Cool, thanks!
[21:28] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/180 is blocking me fixing the docs, FYI, so it would be good to get eyes on it today. :)
[21:45] <blackboxsw> merged Odd_Bloke
[21:45] <blackboxsw> I'm going through yet another iteration on minimal ipv6 azure
[21:45] <Odd_Bloke> TFTM!
[21:48] <Odd_Bloke> OK, well, that's completely broken doc builds.
[21:48] <Odd_Bloke> Good times.
[21:50] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, no, that's a temporary unrelated issue: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59846065/read-the-docs-build-fails-with-cannot-import-name-packagefinder-from-pip-in
[21:50] <Odd_Bloke> Thank goodness.
[21:53] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: approved gce sru test, https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/81 minor additional PR put up for tooling
[22:07] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: And https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/181 is the actual doc fix, I think.
[22:07] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Yep, I think I merged that tooling PR earlier. :)
[23:53] <blackboxsw> Thanks Odd_Bloke for the fix. confirmed docs are working now


[00:21]  * ahoneybun is back in America
[00:52] <mparillo> Welcome back.
[01:01] <ahoneybun> thanks mparillo
[01:05] <ahoneybun> sgclark: how do I have a 5.12 update for plasma-frameworks?
[01:06] <ahoneybun> the qa server says it failed to build for 64
[07:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:46] <blaze> just tested alpha2 iso, nothing happens when "try kubuntu" button is pressed
[11:22] <lordievader> That is odd... Wish he stayed a bit longer.
[11:42] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader
[11:43] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how was Akademy?
[11:43] <ahoneybun> awesome
[11:43] <lordievader> :D
[11:44] <ahoneybun> lordievader: http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/07/31/its-the-final-countdown/
[11:46] <lordievader> :)
[14:00] <santa_> sgclark: hi, I'm currently rebuilding all my siduction packaging because of gcc 5, I'm detecting some patches which weren't aplied yet, do you have time to get them in git?
[17:37] <ahoneybun> Riddell: some credits are in order for the onplus one port of plasma mobile


[18:56] <dupondje> somebody around that could give me a help for building lightning-extension ?
[21:41] <dupondje> chrisccoulson: THANKS THANKS THANKS for lightning :)


[05:06] <boy-g> have fun, and congrats, team...
[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <kkjkkjkj> hi
[08:22] <kkjkkjkj> why ubuntu is so bad
[08:23] <kkjkkjkj> wose
[08:23] <kkjkkjkj> worse


[00:00] <NCommander> garrettkajmowicz, ping?
[00:04] <garrettkajmowicz> NCommander: Anything more recent would be good.
[00:04] <garrettkajmowicz> Sorry - phone call with relatives.
[00:04] <NCommander> first try do-release-upgrade -p
[00:04] <garrettkajmowicz> I c an always do a multistage upgrade.
[00:04] <NCommander> If that doesn't work, I'll talk you through doing a direct dapper->hardy upgrade via editing sources.list
[00:04] <garrettkajmowicz> Trying...
[00:06] <mathiaz> NCommander: considering that he's running edgy, I wouldn't recommend to upgrade to hardy directly.
[00:06] <NCommander> No, he's running dapper
[00:06] <mathiaz> This upgrade path (edgy -> hardy) has never been tested.
[00:06] <NCommander> The do-release-upgrade tried to upgrade him to edgy which doesn't exist anymore
[00:07] <mathiaz> NCommander:  My server is running 6.10
[00:07] <NCommander> garrettkajmowicz, you are running dapper, or did I misunderstand you
[00:07] <mathiaz>                           and I want to upgrade
[00:07] <NCommander> Er
[00:07]  * NCommander shoots his foot :-)
[00:07] <NCommander> Ok
[00:07] <NCommander> My mistake
[00:07] <NCommander> I thought he was running dapper, not edgy (I thought dapper = 6.10)
[00:07] <garrettkajmowicz> NCommander: Currently 6.10 - edgy
[00:07] <NCommander> garrettkajmowicz, it will require multiple upgrades to get you to the current release
[00:08] <garrettkajmowicz> That's fine - the first one's going to be hard.  -p gave me the same problem as before.
[00:08] <NCommander> (it might be possible to go straight to hardy, but it might also break your system, this is the only sane way)
[00:08] <NCommander> Yeah
[00:08] <NCommander> No problem
[00:08] <NCommander> do sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:09] <mathiaz> garrettkajmowicz: if do-release-upgrade doesn't work, you can try apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:09] <garrettkajmowicz> NCommander: Opened for edit.
[00:09] <mathiaz> garrettkajmowicz: it's not really supported, but for servers there is good change it will work.
[00:09] <NCommander> mathiaz, the problem is do-release-upgrade trying to get its updated core from the repos, but edgy been removed from the mirrors
[00:09] <NCommander> And then do a search and replace for edgy, and replace with feisty
[00:09] <NCommander> ^- garrettkajmowicz
[00:09] <uvirtbot`> NCommander: Error: "-" is not a valid command.
[00:10] <NCommander> -_-;
[00:10] <NCommander> stupid bot
[00:11] <garrettkajmowicz> Should I convert old-releases.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com as well?
[00:11] <NCommander> Yes
[00:12] <NCommander> garrettkajmowicz, yeah. We're going to upgrade you to feisty by hand, then you can do do-release-upgrade to go from feisty to gutsy to hardy
[00:13] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - edit complete.
[00:13] <NCommander> Save and close
[00:14] <NCommander> type: sudo aptitude update
[00:14] <NCommander> (this will prepare aptitude to do the actual upgrade, the next command will update your system)
[00:15] <garrettkajmowicz> Oops - missed a case of old-releases.
[00:15] <garrettkajmowicz> I assume I should shut down unneeded processes like the web server...
[00:15] <NCommander> garrettkajmowicz, nope, aptitude will take care of that as needed
[00:15] <garrettkajmowicz> Update complete
[00:16] <NCommander> Ok
[00:16] <NCommander> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[00:17] <NCommander> This will take a LONG time depending on how many packages you need to update, but once its done, you'll be running Feisty Fawn
[00:17] <garrettkajmowicz> Cool.  Now fetching package 2/351.  This should take about 2 hours to download.  Hopefully you'll be around in the unlikely event that something goes wrong then.
[00:17] <NCommander> Once thats done
[00:18] <NCommander> Run do-release-upgrade to go from feisty to gutsy, and again to go to hardy, which is the current LTS
[00:18] <NCommander> (what we just did was what do-release-upgrade pretty much does internally)
[00:19] <garrettkajmowicz> Cool.  I've done that before and it's really quite nice.  I ran into the same problem with my desktop, but I kludged a different solution.  I created a local merged repository on my desktop containing both edgy and feisty, which allowed the dist upgrade to work.  That took 2 days to do, and I knew there had to be a better way!
[00:19] <NCommander> Ew
[00:19] <NCommander> Yeah
[00:19] <NCommander> This is the easier way ;-)
[00:19] <garrettkajmowicz> Thank you so much.
[00:20] <NCommander> Just remember to keep your system more up to date next time if possible ;-)
[00:21] <garrettkajmowicz> Well, until about 3 months ago I didn't know about/trust the upgrade tools.  My main experience with that had been Mandrake (ick), or Windows (they have 20k engineers - how can upgrade NOT work?).  So I had planned to wait until I couldn't take it any longer and do a complete upgrade.
[00:21] <garrettkajmowicz> Ie re-install.
[00:21] <NCommander> Heh
[00:22] <NCommander> Upgrades on Ubuntu pretty rarely break
[00:22] <NCommander> Its a fairly well tested process as long as you don't attempt to jump releases
[00:22] <garrettkajmowicz> Hmm.  Since We're on the subject - my laptop has the same problem.  What scares me it that it uses LUCKS (encryption) for everything but a 200M boot partition, and I'm nervous that things might go boom.
[00:24] <NCommander> I can help you upgrade
[00:24] <NCommander> But I recommend that you hug your backup first
[00:27] <garrettkajmowicz> Yeah.  My laptop doesn't actually have much on it.  It does mail by IMAP and most everything is dumb internet videos or dupliucate copies of documents which are out of date by 8 months.  I guess there's my freecell stats, but I'm not too worried.  I'm going to wait until my server works before I try something a little more risky, though.   :-)
[00:27] <NCommander> heh
[00:28] <NCommander> normally after each upgrade you should reboot, however, given that your simply going from release to release, its not necessary to reboot until after hardy is install
[00:28] <garrettkajmowicz> I *expect* to loose my laptop.  People think it's valuable (I bought it used for $200 3 years ago), and it's likely to be dropped.
[00:29] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - once download is done (198/351) we can start all over again
[00:29] <garrettkajmowicz> ! :-)
[00:31] <NCommander> Yeah
[00:31] <NCommander> Well, this is what you get for not upgrading ;-)
[00:31]  * NCommander is shot
[00:32] <garrettkajmowicz> Long day, or perforated?
[00:33] <NCommander> Huh?
[00:34] <garrettkajmowicz> Err - you are shot.  That either implies fatigue (you've had a long day), or that you've been shot with a projectile (thus having hole(s) in you, thus perforation).
[00:35] <garrettkajmowicz> It sounded funnier in my head...   :-)
[00:36] <NCommander> -_-;
[00:36] <NCommander> how goes the upgrade?
[00:37] <garrettkajmowicz> Downloading 386/351
[00:38] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - done fetching.  Now extracting.
[00:43] <garrettkajmowicz> Some problems with Apache - but I can deal with those later.  Regenerating the initramfs
[00:48] <NCommander> 386/351 O_o;
[00:48] <NCommander> Errr
[01:06] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - I ran into a problem with configuration.
[01:07] <garrettkajmowicz> NM - diff just took 3 minutes
[01:23] <garrettkajmowicz> Unpacking more stuff while I manually update the mdadm config files...
[01:30] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - upgrade is done (though Wordpress isn't working correctly at the moment...)
[01:30] <garrettkajmowicz> Should I try another update, reboot, or try to get current applications working correctly?
[01:43] <garrettkajmowicz> OK - let's go for a reboot!
[01:48] <garrettkajmowicz> See you on the flip side (loosing network connectivity momentarily)
[01:58] <garrettkajmowicz> Awesome.  A reboot and wordpress is working again.  Now to check mail services...
[01:59] <garrettkajmowicz> Looks good, too.  I guess I'll move forward to the next version and see how that works.  Thanks for all your help!
[02:00] <NCommander> no problem garrettkajmowicz
[08:09] <frewsxcv> how many gigabytes are in one U?
[08:26] <hads> Huh?
[08:31] <frewsxcv> hads: how much storage do you get with this? https://serverpronto.infolink.com/colopronto/order.php
[08:32] <hads> No idea, ask them.
[08:32] <hads> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit
[13:10] <MythbuntuGuest38> 54
[13:39] <ghaleb_> hello, I get this error when I start my freeradius server: Error: rlm_eap: Unable to load EAP-Type/peap, as EAP-Type/TLS is required first.
[15:24] <randomlogic78> I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition and I want to put the server on my wireless network with a D-Link AR5212.  Do I need to install everything from scratch, or is madwifi support built into the server edition?
[15:58] <tacone> hello, I need a lightweight smtp for local website testing. any suggestion ?
[16:24] <sommer> tacone: ssmtp works well for that type of situation
[16:24] <tacone> nice, thanks
[16:25] <sommer> welcome
[16:38] <mib_h5z0mp66> how to Installing Ubuntu 8.04 server in Virtual PC 2007
[19:06] <randomlogic78> I followed the directions on this site -> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/802.11i to set up my wifi card on Hardy-server and I'm not getting connected to my network.  When I try to ping the router, the network is unreachable, and the link light blinking slowly on my nic
[19:07] <randomlogic78> sudo wpa_supplicant -w -Dwext -i ath0 -c/etc/wpa)supplicant.conf repeats the error "No such device" and "Could not set interface 'ath0' UP
[20:02] <Crewsr3> Can I set up a server that everyone can get to but lock down the content filtering part of just one user.  Is it as simple as user rights?  I'm installing Dansguardian and I want to be the only person that can access those settings
[20:02] <Crewsr3> I also have webadmin set so so would I have the same setting for web admin access
[20:34] <randomlogic78> On bootup my server gives the error that apache can not determine my domain name and it uses <IP_ADDRESS> instead... how do I set the domain name?
[20:41] <blue-frog> just a warning, not an error
[20:41] <blue-frog> give a FQDN in /etc/hosts
[20:42] <randomlogic78> thanks... just added the FQDN to hosts and rebooting now
[20:42] <blue-frog> reboot?
[20:42] <randomlogic78> I'm still annoyed that I have to run two commands to connect to my wireless network though, I wish this would happen at boot.
[20:43] <randomlogic78> I suppose I could have restarted apache, but don't know how yet
[20:43] <blue-frog> server? on wireless?
[20:43] <randomlogic78> yea
[20:44] <randomlogic78> I know, everyone thinks it's strange... but it's the best solution for me
[22:21] <lukehasnoname> am I crazy or does visudo use nano in ibex
[22:31] <jac> hi
[23:54] <D3RGPS31> under LAMP, my virtualhosts arn't responding to .htaccess files, any suggestions?


[01:29] <xubuntu24w> Hello. My mouse disappears. Couple threads that it's solved but can't find the solution.
[01:34] <xubuntu24w> Anyone who can help it would be appreciated.
[03:18] <ilzolende> i'm here because my computer has spontaneously stopped letting me use the menu bar at the top
[03:18] <ilzolende> which is a problem because i like to run apps in fullscreen mode and use said menu bar to navigate between windows
[03:18] <ilzolende> should i just reboot or is this a problem with a more obvious solution?
[03:19] <ilzolende> it still shows changes in volume or highlights the names of selected windows, it just doesn't do anything when clicked
[04:39] <ilzolende> my computer has spontaneously stopped letting me use the menu bar at the top
[04:39] <ilzolende> (i'm on ubuntu using the xubuntu ... desktop environment? windowing thing?)
[04:39] <ilzolende> which is a problem because i like to run apps in fullscreen mode, and minimize windows, and use said menu bar to navigate between windows
[04:39] <ilzolende> should i just reboot or is this a problem with a more obvious solution?
[04:39] <ilzolende> it still shows changes in volume or highlights the names of selected windows, it just doesn't do anything when clicked
[04:40] <ilzolende> argh i reposted this into the same channel
[04:40] <ilzolende> whoops
[04:40] <ilzolende> sorry, guys
[04:45] <xangua> I'm confused in the part where you say I'm in the Ubuntu using the xubuntu
[04:45] <xangua> Did you install Ubuntu and installed xfce after? Or did you just install xubuntu?
[04:46] <ilzolende> i installed xfce, which offered me both an "xfce mode" and a very similar looking but separately named "xubuntu mode"
[04:46] <ilzolende> which was weird, because this is probably just xfce-with-color-tweaks or something
[10:04] <Mo> Hi, I need to switch physical screens when taking the laptop out of office. However the output setting on the panels has disappeared when switching from 3 external screens to 1 internal screen. I'd like to have a fixed setting for each screen, disabling the panels when the screen does not exist without deleting the panel setup.
[17:28] <CrackedCracker> Hello guys,
[17:28] <CrackedCracker> Could you please tell, what's the name of default theme for xubuntu and what package it comes from?
[17:28] <CrackedCracker> I need to try to reinstall that, but don't know the name
[17:29] <pleia2> CrackedCracker: greybird-gtk-theme
[17:29] <CrackedCracker> pleia2: thank you
[17:29] <pleia2> welcome
[19:57] <EightBitLink> I tried installing Xubuntu 16.04 and 16.10, but the grub install fails
[19:57] <EightBitLink> And now obviously my machine won't boot
[20:01] <EightBitLink> It seems to have to do with EFI
[21:34] <xubuntu49w> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 16.04 LTS on my laptop.  The wireless network said it is connected, but the Firefox can't load any webpages.  Does anyone know what to do about that?
[21:36] <xubuntu49w> I used the AMD64 version.  Some people said that is OK even thought the computer is Intel 64 bit.  I think it must be okay because the desktop apps work fine.  Just thought I would add that in there.
[21:39] <xubuntu477> bonjour
[21:39] <xubuntu477> j'ai un soucis avec mon xubuntu
[21:41] <Spass> xubuntu49w: Your version is OK, architecture and manufacturer are two different things. Can you ping a website from the terminal? Try "ping -c 10 amazon.com" and "ping -c 10 <IP_ADDRESS>"
[21:42] <xubuntu477> Avec le terminal ?
[21:42] <xubuntu477> c'est au demarrage qu'il beug souvent
[21:43] <Spass> xubuntu477: Sorry, I don't speak French. My message was to different user.
[21:44] <xubuntu477> j'ai un probleme avec xubuntu au del
[21:44] <xubuntu477> demarage
[21:46] <Spass> xubuntu477: Probably you can get support at #ubuntu-fr faster than here.
[21:54] <xubuntu49w> Hi, I will check the ping.
[21:55] <xubuntu49w> Just pinged amazon.com.  It said "bad number of packets to transmit.
[21:57] <krytarik> xubuntu49w: That's a ten.
[21:57] <xubuntu49w> Result of ping -c 10 <IP_ADDRESS> was as follows
[21:58] <xubuntu49w> 56(84) bypes of data
[21:58] <genii> !pastebin
[21:59] <xubuntu49w> 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8999ms
[22:03] <xubuntu49w> Result of ping -c 10 <IP_ADDRESS> was as follows  56(84) bypes of data 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8999ms
[22:06] <studio-user457> hello ! can anyone explain me how to configure screen tablet. I have to rotate my head... i would prefer rotate my screen :)
[22:06] <studio-user457> which file am i supposed to edit in order to configure my screen ?
[22:11] <xubuntu49w> Result of ping -c 10 <IP_ADDRESS> was as follows   56(84) bypes of data  --stats-- 10 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 8999ms
[22:12] <xubuntu49w> I'm trying to figure out the paste.ubuntu.com.  Do I use the xubuntu49w name without the <>? I'll try that
[22:13] <Spass_> xubuntu49w: I was suspecting there's something wrong with your DNS, but it looks like the problem is deeper. Please be patient and wait for someone who will recommend a solution (or who will investigate).
[22:13] <xubuntu49w> thanks spass.
[22:16] <knome> xubuntu49w, you can type anything in the nickname, as long as you paste us the url when you're ready
[22:17] <xubuntu49w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23620974/
[22:21] <studio-user457> hello ! can anyone explain me how to configure screen tablet. I have to rotate my head... i would prefer rotate my screen :) [23:06] <studio-user457> which file am i supposed to edit in order to configure my screen ?
[22:23] <studio-user457> i go to display->setting but i cannot reach rotate to the left and to the right... and my screen rate isnot good...
[22:24] <xubuntu49w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23621022/
[22:25] <xubuntu49w> That one is more full.  I have to type it out because that computer won't connect to a site like this one.
[22:26] <krytarik> studio-user457: Try to just move the window with Alt + left-click → drag?
[22:29] <krytarik> xubuntu49w: Try in the main #ubuntu channel as well - this is a general wireless connectivity issue.
[22:29] <xubuntu49w> Okay I will post there as well.
[22:30] <studio-user457> krytarik: thanks. no its not  a problem of window position but a proble of choice.. right and left options are grayout
[22:31] <krytarik> Aha, yeah that wasn't clear by your wording.
[22:33] <studio-user457> ;) is there a file to edit to be able to choose this left and right options ?
[22:35] <Spass_> studio-user457: I would go here ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[22:37] <Spass_> And change value under "Rotation" to 90 or 270. But it may explode/crash/etc...
[22:38] <Spass_> There's a GUI tool for that too, xfce4-settings-editor
[22:40] <krytarik> I'll note that fiddling with those settings files manually while logged in will not work.
[22:40] <Spass_> It's risky, because I don't have a clue why these options are greyed-out in the proper screen settings.
[22:40] <Spass_> krytarik: Good to know.
[22:42] <Spass_> Another small thing learned about Xfce from just being on IRC.
[22:43] <krytarik> \o/
[22:46] <studio-user457> i tried to change these values with the way of "Rotation" to 90 or 270 and xfce4-settings-editor... nohing happens..
[22:48] <studio-user457> i have my neck coming tired ;)
[22:48] <studio-user457> for moment my options is to rotate my head :)
[22:54] <krytarik> !info arandr | studio-user457
[22:55] <studio-user457> krytarik: ok, i will do an apt ;)
[22:57] <studio-user457> krytqrik:... useful but... same result
[22:58] <studio-user457> the 3 options right, left and inverted are gray-out
[22:58] <studio-user457> ..
[22:59] <studio-user457> krytarik:help ;)
[22:59] <krytarik> Yeah, noticed - so direct XRandR wouldn't work either then.
[23:01] <Spass_> So even changed values in displays.xml (when log out) will not work and could possibly break things?
[23:24] <imago> buenos días
[23:27] <krytarik> !es | imago
[23:27] <krytarik> !ask
[23:28] <imago> thanks
[23:34] <plshelp> hey um i was trying to see if i could fix a wrecked hdd with fdisk but everything says permission denied and now man is giving me input/output errors
[23:35] <bazhang> sudo fdisk -l
[23:36] <plshelp> thank you, sincerely Pretending To Know What I'm Doing
[23:36] <bazhang> thats not goin to fix a wrecked hd though
[23:37] <plshelp> i think i wrecked something using it some days ago via bad advice
[23:38] <plshelp> external hdd has no partitions and is giving me input/output errors when i try to erase/format
[23:38] <plshelp> "The backup GPT table is corrupt, but the primary appears OK, so that will be used."


[01:48] <jbailey> Oh, I see, it's his sparc fun.
[01:48] <jbailey> Yeah, I should try to fix that this week.  At least see what the symbol conflict is.
[01:48] <jbailey> There should be enough of the right people at OLS if I can't answer it myself/
[04:51] <daniels> doko: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-07/msg00699.html
[06:27] <fabbione> morning
[06:28] <fabbione> jbailey: you around?
[09:47] <doko> daniels: yep, I'd like to have a test bot which builds some apps with such a modified compiler ...
[09:47] <doko> lamont, infinity: any news about the 4.0 amd64 build?
[01:24] <infinity> doko : Hrm, did -2ubuntu2 work around the bootstrap issues?
[01:24] <infinity> doko : I kicked off a manual bootstrap build on yellow, and noticed that an automatic build on crested was going just fine..
[01:52] <doko> infinity: no, it cannot
[02:08] <fabbione> sh[22008] : segfault at<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 rip<PHONE_NUMBER>000000 rsp 00007fffffe00860 error 14
[02:08] <fabbione> ld[11285]  general protection rip:2aaaaaaac180 rsp:7fffffbc04f0 error:0
[02:08] <fabbione> YAY
[02:28] <fabbione> kiko: thanks a lot
[02:28] <fabbione> ops
[02:41] <infinity> doko : Interesting, cause it's well into the testsuite by now.
[02:42] <infinity> doko : And the chroot wasn't pre-seeded.
[02:48] <doko> hmm, which lib32gcc1 was installed?
[02:49] <infinity> 4.0.0-12ubuntu2
[02:49] <doko> strange
[02:49] <infinity> Rather, yes.  Either way, I see no obvious failures, and the suite is so far quite happy.
[02:50] <infinity> I assume the gcc summary should be half failures if -m32 was broken?
[02:51] <infinity> 34629 expected passes, 2 unexpected failures, 1 unexpected success, 97 expected failures, 28 untested, 433 unsupported.
[02:51] <infinity> Oh, wait.  That was just for unix.  unix/-m32 is still in progress.  But I don't see any failures output there yet.
[02:52] <infinity> I'm going to let the manual build run through, just in case the automagic one dies somewhere, but it looks like it'll probably finish, get signed, and upload without my intervention.
[02:53] <infinity> (Granted, I had a hand earlier in the day in fixing up all the other build-deps, but that was X breakage, not lib32gcc1...)
[02:58] <doko> looks fine
[03:12] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm here now for a few minutes.
[04:31] <doko> infinity: what's the state of the amd64 gcc-4.0 build?
[07:25] <lamont> Moved gcc-3.3_1:3.3.6-7 to upload-breezy
[07:42] <lamont> hrm.. gonna have to bludgeon that upload a bit, since it has 'libstdc++5' in it...
[07:42] <lamont> (and my scripts strip those from the upload list)
[07:42] <lamont> and _finally_ gcc-4.0 is trying to build
[07:45] <lamont> actually, it appears that nothing in gcc-3.3 Depends: libstdc++5.  kewl
[08:04] <doko> lamont: desperate hope
[08:05] <doko> I'll have to do that, because seb128 did upload an API incompatible libcairo :-/
[08:06] <lamont> I have libcairo1_0.5.1-0ubuntu2 - is the build going to b0rk (and I'll just kill it now), or will it succeed?
[08:06] <lamont> and if it'll succeed, will it do so before you upload -2ubuntu3...
[08:07] <doko> the new gcc-4.0 upload will require 0.5.2
[08:07] <lamont> and besides, you want to wait for infinity to finish amd64, so he doesn't have to hurt you...
[08:07] <lamont> and you're sleepy... :)
[08:08] <doko> yep, that's what I'm waiting for
[08:08] <lamont> still rather early in his day for him to be awake
[08:10] <lamont> he was fighting with some underlying libraries as of last night when I went to bed...  dunno where he was before he went to bed.
[08:11] <doko> he said, testsuite was runnign
[08:12] <lamont> so does that mean that you expect to upload gcc-4.0 w/in 8 hours?
[08:16] <doko> if infinity wakes up before, yes.
[08:19] <lamont> but no gcc-3.3 upload for an hour or 2, ok???
[08:19] <lamont> :-)
[08:32] <doko> no, no 3.3 anymore
[09:31] <lamont> doko: looking to see what c++ apps I can build on hppa... do you have a list of the build-depended c++libs for each c++app?
[09:32] <doko> lamont: no
[09:33] <doko> looking at debian-devel, mfurr did post somethings like this, didn't look, if he was sorting it by lib-dependencies.
[10:02] <lamont> doko: what failure mode would we expect if the apps were built before the libs were?
[10:08] <doko> libgcj doesn't build, so you would have to disable java
[10:42] <lamont> doko: it occurred to me that all of hppa is built after the transition, so if I can meet build-deps with pure breezy, it's OK to build.


[17:19] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal 20.04.3] has been marked as ready


[00:35] <the_oopla> How can I boot my Xubuntu install into command line mode, and bypass the gui?
[00:41] <zoredache> when your are booting choose rescue from the grub menu
[00:42] <the_oopla> I will give that a try
[01:29] <iliketofrolic666> how do I give xubuntu a constant LAN ip from my router?
[01:32] <SiDi> depends
[01:33] <SiDi> you can set a static ip on your router's DHCP server's config
[01:33] <SiDi> (easiest way for home networks)
[01:33] <SiDi> or you can remove the DHCP server and make a static ip config in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:33] <iliketofrolic666> how do I do the easier way?
[01:54] <xubuntiano> hi guys. Someone asleep?
[03:13] <gamepockets> does anyone know how to obtain all the lost updates for xubuntu 7.10??
[03:14] <SiDi> Its too late, gamepockets
[03:15] <SiDi> if you intend to stay on a system without upgrading for a long time, please use the LTS version
[03:25] <gamepockets> so there is no way to get mp3 to play??
[05:05] <dylan_> !amarok
[05:06] <dylan_> can you get amarok 2 for xfce ?
[05:09] <forces> in jaunty?
[05:38] <dylan_> hi, I am trying to use dolphin in xfce, (xubuntu). It was in xubuntu's add/remove programs list so I installed it. But when I run Dolphin, I get error "could not start process, could not launch klauncher, the name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files"
[05:49] <dylan_> is it possible to run kde 4 apps in xubuntu 9.04 ?
[06:07] <Rakko> I just installed Jaunty on an Athlon64. WindowMaker crashes on me. Anyone know about this?
[06:10] <Rakko> It had a segfault/sig 11
[06:12] <dylan_> how do I get klauncher in Xubuntu 9.04 ?
[06:16] <Rakko> do you have KDE installed, dylan_ ?
[06:24] <dylan_> how come any kde 4 apps I run (even though I installed kde), give me errror saying could not launch klauncher ?   I run Xubuntu 9.04, and both kde , and dolphin are in apt-cache search
[06:26] <Rakko> ugh
[06:26] <Rakko> just because they're in apt-cache search doesn't mean they're installed
[06:27] <dylan_> Rakko, sorry, I did apt-get install them after that
[06:27] <Rakko> ok
[06:28] <Rakko> not sure
[06:28] <dylan_> also: its says could not talk to klauncher
[06:28] <dylan_> ok
[06:28] <dylan_> not sure why
[06:44] <dylan_> how can I get kdeinit to run in xubuntu 9.04 ?
[07:32] <kromar> hi
[07:34] <GINZ> Hi I am trying to get a screenshot of my xubuntu computer. Can you tell me how to do that please
[07:35] <GINZ> hi gnomereeak Do yoou know how to get a screenshot in Xubuntu please?
[07:36] <kromar> there is a tool under applications
[07:36] <GINZ> What is it called? I can';t see it
[07:36] <kromar> apps>accessoires>screenshot
[07:36] <GINZ> Mine does not have that there
[07:36] <kromar> hm
[07:37] <GINZ> it is not the very latest update
[07:37] <GINZ>  which I am hoping to install soon but my son needs screenshots to wee why the CD is not working
[07:40] <GINZ> Oh  in App finder there is a "Screensaver" but that is something different isn;t it
[07:40] <kromar> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/user-guide/C/tools-screenshot.html this might help
[07:47] <GINZ> Thanks  Kromer.
[07:47] <GINZ> It says use the PrtCsr button on the keyboard, but that does not work
[07:48] <GINZ>  I am wondering if there is a CD somewhere that is needed to install such actions from the Key board
[07:49] <GINZ> WEll for th e time being I will just use the camera asnd photograph the screen.
[07:49] <GINZ> Thanks
[07:54] <ocs> Hi. how can I set mysql as a service for xubuntu ? on ubuntu it was so set by default
[08:02] <zoredache> ocs: just install it?
[08:02] <ocs> zoredache: already done, obviously
[08:02] <ocs> but I need to start it manually
[08:21] <zoredache> how did you install it?
[08:21] <zoredache> if you instal via apt the package usually starts on its own..
[09:16] <DJJeff> does xubuntu work on powerpc? (iMac G3)
[09:27] <SiDi> There is a version, yes
[13:20] <cemunal> i installed amarok2 on xfce4 but it can't play any sound and i can't see shoutcast radios; how can i fix these?
[14:57] <Slonkie> damn i by mistake deleted libcups.so - Is there anyway to restore this? (it's not in trash)
[15:19] <tavasti> Slonkie, apt-get install --reinstall libcups2
[15:19] <Slonkie> thanks
[15:37] <Slonkie> Has anybody here been able to syncronise their Thunderbird Mails/Calender with any kind of cell phone?
[15:49] <genii> Slonkie: The packages.ubuntu.com site indicates if you are on a 64 bit box, the package name will instead be ia32-libs and not libcups2-dev but otherwise same principle applies of --reinstall
[15:49] <Slonkie> well tavasti's advice worked great :)
[15:51] <ElectricHeavyLan> anyone evey try to disable their touchpad? it keeps "jumping my cursor around  when I write in my text editor"...no BIOS solution, already checked...no option that I see to disable it in xfce that i see of...i am lookin for the easiest way possible b/c I have lots of other things to do. :)
[15:52] <SiDi> ElectricHeavyLan: there is a way to make it inactive each time you type
[15:52] <ElectricHeavyLan> SiDi: how is that?
[15:53] <tavasti> cover thouchpad with cardboard and ductape
[15:54] <tavasti> :-)
[15:54] <SiDi> no
[15:54] <SiDi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=271052
[15:54] <SiDi> There are MANY google posts about it
[15:54] <SiDi> basically, enable SHM in xorg.conf and then you can configure it
[16:04] <ElectricHeavyLan> tavasti: that was my first idea. :)
[16:04] <ElectricHeavyLan> SiDi: thanks for the link. I'll try that.
[16:48] <xububu> Hi there
[16:48] <knome> !hi | xububu
[16:49] <xububu> Just upgraded to Xubuntu 9. whatever, and have a tiny issue with the second panel
[16:49] <knome> 9.04, that is
[16:50] <xububu> sorry - new to chatting - the work space icons for wrkspce 1 6 2 appear in the middle of the panel. no aligned onto the right
[16:51] <xububu> should be workspace 1 & 2
[16:52] <knome> xububu, right click the panel, add new item and select "separator or spacing", then "expanding empty space"
[16:52] <knome> xububu, then right click the space and click move and drag it to wanted position
[16:54] <xububu> Thankyou - i'll try that right now
[16:54] <knome> xububu, did that help?
[16:54] <knome> right
[16:55] <xububu> Great - thanks  abunch Knome :-D
[16:55] <knome> np.
[16:56] <xububu> I Live in spain, so the system is in spanish, took me a littlle longer than normal
[16:56] <knome> ahh
[16:57] <knome> that always brings an extra challenge :)
[16:57] <xububu> Anyway - goto get on with work, thanks again
[18:41] <andrewlondonnewb> Hi, can someone offer a newbie advice on my messy graphics on screen? A
[18:43] <SiDi> Heya. Whats wrong with it, exactly, andrewlondonnewb ?
[18:46] <andrewlondonnewb> Hi SiDi. I have just installed Xubuntu on an old Dell X200 laptop. The windows and icons get jumbled and the fonts are odd looking. Also the screen has fuzzy strips left if a window is moved. I have tweeked the screen settings as some are really bad. Wondering if the video driver is wrong somehow.
[18:50] <SiDi> What is the resolution of your screen, andrewlondonnewb ?
[18:50] <SiDi> The best resolution supported by your hardware. And also, what graphics card does it have ?
[18:53] <andrewlondonnewb> screen is xga 12.1" LCD. Not sure what the video card is. Its a lightweight laptop not a desktop. Will try to look in documentation to find out.
[19:24] <Pie`> Hi, I installed Xubuntu yesterday using Wubi but it didn't seem to boot it gave me an error, something along the lines of "path must be absolute" but anyways I know want to uninstall Xubuntu using Wubi but it won't let me, it gives me "An error occured: Permission denied removing E:\ubuntu\install\boot\grub For more information, please see the log file: C:\docume~1\alex\locals~1\temp\wubi-9.04-rev129.log"
[19:24] <Pie`> How could I fix this?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> You should be able to remove it using windows software install/remove
[19:26] <Pie`> I'll try that, but I was using the wubi-uninstall.exe file
[19:27] <Pie`> yeah it still gives me the same error
[19:27] <likemindead> Sorry, Pie`, I've never used Wubi.
[19:27] <likemindead> Delete the partition?
[19:28] <Pie`> I nver got round to installing it
[19:28] <Pie`> It wouldn't load at all
[19:28] <likemindead> Ah.
[19:28] <Pie`> all I did was download it using wubi then it told me to restart and xubuntu wouldn't start
[19:29] <likemindead> Try a secondary remove app like CCleaner or Spybot S&D?
[19:29] <Pie`> its because the /grub/ directory is being used, even though its empty..
[19:38] <likemindead> Ah.
[19:38] <likemindead> So you aren't able to boot at all from the hdd?
[19:41] <runt> Can somebody help me with Xfce4?
[19:41] <SiDi> !ask
[19:41] <runt> Thanks
[19:42] <runt> Sorry, been a long time since on IRC.
[19:42] <likemindead> Screw that crap. What's up?
[19:42] <likemindead> !DIAF ubottu
[19:42] <likemindead> Hahaha...
[19:42] <runt> Looks like my Xubuntu has Xfce4  4.4.3 running.  Is it worth it to upgrade to 4.6.x?
[19:43] <likemindead> Always! (IMHO)
[19:43] <charlie-tca> likemindead: you have a way to help people without them telling you what is wrong?
[19:43] <runt> Ok, is there an installer and/or where do I get it from?
[19:43] <likemindead> They'll get around to it.  Are you using Intrepid?
[19:44] <runt> Not sure about Intrepid - where can I find that out?
[19:44] <charlie-tca> rules are rules
[19:44] <likemindead> http://naiux.wordpress.com/2009/02/28/installing-xfce-446-on-xubuntu/
[19:44] <likemindead> Google, FTW.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> try 'lsb_release -rd' in a terminal
[19:45] <runt> Thx likemindead
[19:45] <likemindead> Welcome. Let me know how it turns out. I may follow suit.
[19:45] <runt> lsb_release -rd = 8.10
[19:46] <charlie-tca> and please report any issues with it direct to xfce, not xubuntu or launchpad
[19:46] <charlie-tca> 8.10 is intrepid
[19:46] <Pie`> 7.something was hoary hedgehog
[19:46] <Pie`> wasnt ti?
[19:47] <runt> Ok.  Now, is Jaunty available?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> no, 7.10 was gutsy
[19:47] <ruadh> Hi azll
[19:47] <likemindead> runt, yes!
[19:47] <charlie-tca> 7.04 was fiesty
[19:47] <SiDi> runt: if you run 4.6 in xubuntu 8.10, most will work, but there might be bugs, as far as i recall.  I'm _already_ using 4.6 in Jaunty! Derp.
[19:47]  * charlie-tca nods at likemindead
[19:48] <likemindead> I have to agree with SiDi, runt.
[19:48]  * SiDi forbids anyone (including himself) from agreeing with him.
[19:48]  * charlie-tca agrees to disagree with SiDi
[19:48] <runt> I guess my Synaptic is not seeing 9.04 - shouldn't I be getting a notification of 9.04?
[19:49] <runt> Good to know SiDi
[19:49] <SiDi> runt: you should launch "update-manager"
[19:49] <ruadh> I've been trying to play some sound clips using Konqueror, and keep getting a request to install adobe flash player. I have flash player installed. Can any one help?
[19:49] <runt> Christ, you peeps know ur stuff...  Thanks again.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> ruadh: ask on #kubuntu
[19:50] <runt> Much appreciated, I'm off to upgrade.  Anything to know about 9.04?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> This is Xubuntu, and it uses Thunar
[19:50] <SiDi> btw runt, 	Jérôme Guelfucci has a PPA with xfce 4.6.0 for intrepid. He'll know if there are still known trouble with it. He should be in #xfce
[19:50] <runt> Ok SiDi
[19:50] <ruadh> thanks
[19:50] <likemindead> ruadh, you're using Konqueror in Xubuntu?
[19:50] <ruadh> likemindead, yes.
[19:51] <likemindead> Blech.
[19:51] <likemindead> ;D
[19:51] <likemindead> Maybe a missing dependency?
[19:51] <ruadh> likemindead, Konq wasd installed automatically
[19:51] <likemindead> Uh... are you _sure_ you're not using Kubuntu?
[19:52] <runt> Best to all.
[19:52] <ruadh> I know the distro i'm using
[19:52] <likemindead> Sorry.  It had to be installed by you
[19:52] <likemindead> Right.
[19:53] <SiDi> 8 days till i pass my main OS to Karmic Alpha1 !
[19:53] <likemindead> If you like Konqueror, install kubuntu-desktop and give it a whirl.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I´m waiting until after UDS
[19:53] <ruadh> charlie-tca, I did not have to install konq
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Well, Xubuntu certainly did not
[19:53] <likemindead> ruadh, then someone's been on your machine!
[19:54] <likemindead> :-\
[19:54] <likemindead> Poor fellow.
[19:54] <likemindead> Multiple personalities, perchance?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> good thing he knows what he installed!
[19:55] <likemindead> !weather 79121
[19:55] <likemindead> Err... wrong window... ;)
[19:56]  * charlie-tca nods again
[19:57] <likemindead> Query: Top 3 things to install in Xubuntu (that don't come by default)?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> claws-mail?
[19:58] <likemindead> For me it's OOo, Tilda, & Banshee.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox
[19:58] <charlie-tca> gedit
[19:58] <charlie-tca> What is Tilda?
[19:58] <SiDi> omg, i so lag tonight
[19:58] <likemindead> Tilda is a bitchin' terminal emulator.
[19:59] <SiDi> Gedit, Exaile, Virtualbox here too :P
[20:00] <likemindead> http://imagebin.ca/view/U2YZJZ6o.html
[20:01] <likemindead> I have it in startup & F1 brings it down (animation & transparency are optional).
[20:01] <Myrtti> terminator ♥
[20:02] <likemindead> Everybody post up your Xubuntu desktop(s) at imagebin.ca!
[20:03] <knome> likemindead, keep it family friendly. please
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I like the backgrond
[20:03] <likemindead> ?
[20:03] <likemindead> Mario isn't family friendly?
[20:03] <knome> watch your language
[20:03] <likemindead> ;(
[20:03] <knome> didn't mean the picture
[20:03] <likemindead> ...?
[20:03] <knome> nvm.
[20:04] <likemindead> My youth minister from Nebraska said bitchin' in a sermon once. Really.
[20:04] <SiDi> ive been missing something
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Yeah, but that don't make it nice talk...
[20:05] <likemindead> Duran Duran?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> shock value
[20:06] <charlie-tca> brb
[20:06] <SiDi> Im beginning to suspect i missed some phrases of the conversation
[20:06] <SiDi> ...
[20:06] <likemindead> My sincere apologies to all.
[20:06] <knome> SiDi, :P
[20:06] <knome> likemindead, no problem.
[20:06] <knome> http://imagebin.ca/view/ZQzTbKb.html <- there's your screenshot
[20:06]  * likemindead glares at all the lurkers... 0_0
[20:06]  * Pie` lurks
[20:06]  * knome eats the Pie`
[20:07] <Pie`> om nom nom :3
[20:07] <likemindead> Gasp! Dual screens! :::jealous:::
[20:07] <knome> ;>
[20:08] <Pie`> I've got dual screens, just no linux yet ;)
[20:08] <SiDi> http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7251/foom.png
[20:08] <SiDi> mine
[20:08] <SiDi> Pie`: how come no linux ? I hope you have a reason for that :o
[20:09] <knome> wow, that's BIG text.
[20:09] <Pie`> SiDi, I play a lot of games that aren't supported by WINE :D
[20:09] <Pie`> I used to be on linux before my hdd went foom.
[20:09] <knome> Pie`, how come? for some reason i don't play the games that wine doesn't support ;P
[20:10] <Pie`> how well would virtualbox w/ xp running a game like Call of duty 4 run ?
[20:10] <Pie`> Would it work or just be a complete failure
[20:13] <SiDi> it would fail
[20:13] <SiDi> epic fail *
[20:15] <likemindead> I'm content with my NES, SNES, Genesis, & Playstation ROMs & emulators.
[20:15] <likemindead> ^__^
[20:15] <likemindead> Playing through Tales Of Phantasia at the moment.
[20:22] <Pie`> Downloaded a sega master system emulator
[20:22] <Pie`> then download Alex the kidd i shinobi world :p
[20:23] <likemindead> Will do, Pie`.
[20:26] <likemindead> Adios, everyone.
[20:27] <MTec007> its hard to find ROMS
[20:36] <Pie`> I'm sure you'll find a lot here: http://www.romnation.net/
[20:36] <Pie`> ;)
[20:38] <genii> Please remember it is against Freenode rules to advocate piracy and/or illegal activities.
[20:57] <SiDi> knome: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9753/yayu.png
[20:57] <knome> SiDi, the bar, right? ;)
[20:57] <SiDi> yeh
[20:57] <SiDi> i got rid of my crazy bookmarks menu entry
[20:57] <knome> okies
[20:57] <knome> ;)
[20:58] <knome> where's the xubuntu website
[20:58] <Pie`> xubuntu.org
[20:58] <SiDi> ahah
[20:58] <knome> in SiDi's bar, i mean
[20:58] <SiDi> knome: its not like its *the* often updated website
[20:59] <SiDi> but i have the feeling we'll have to solve this
[20:59] <SiDi> we need to have a better interface for the xubuntu community to interact / give feedback
[21:00] <knome> we need to get the developers blogs aggregated into xubuntu.org
[21:01] <ochosi> sounds like a good idea, knome
[21:02] <knome> not-often updated developer blogs would kill that idea as well
[21:03] <ochosi> i think quite a few people are interested in design-issues, because it's something they can rather easily grasp
[21:03] <ochosi> e.g. the firefox-logo-update is getting a lot of press lately
[21:04] <ochosi> and that looked like a good idea, to make the stages of the design process transparent (obviously also a lot of work)
[21:04] <knome> for some reason i haven't noticed that :P
[21:04] <ochosi> well, i only noticed today :)
[21:04] <knome> can we see something already?
[21:05] <ochosi> yep, look here: http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/
[21:05] <ochosi> you'll also see different versions of the *new* logo, including some of the thoughts/discussions
[21:06] <ochosi> a similar design issue that caught a lot of attention was mark shuttleworth's blog entry about notify-osd
[21:06] <ochosi> and last but not least you're artwork got xubuntu some good press, knome
[21:07] <knome> true
[21:11] <knome> that was actually somewhat expected
[21:11] <knome> because we broke off the shell that xfce/xubuntu was at
[21:13] <ochosi> you broke off the shell..?
[21:14]  * charlie-tca thinks shelf
[21:15] <charlie-tca> as in stalled on the ledge
[21:15] <SiDi> knome: you can aswell grab some news from xfce's devs blog into that
[21:15] <knome> out of the shell, the thing clams are in
[21:15] <knome> SiDi, true
[21:16] <SiDi> and get some community people to post on it
[21:16] <SiDi> and then you have some stuff there :p
[21:16] <knome> but manual grabbing is...
[21:16] <charlie-tca> and drupal is not real good at auto grabbing, is it?
[21:16] <knome> i don't know
[21:16] <knome> what i do know, we would benefir from migrating to wp
[21:17] <charlie-tca> Seems like it sucked at it a couple years ago when I tried it
[21:18] <knome> *benefit
[21:18] <knome> maybe.
[21:18] <knome> i'm not really into drupal
[21:18] <knome> and i have little motivation in learning it any more
[21:18] <charlie-tca> I'm not either, anymore. My website is in Xoops, now
[21:18] <SiDi> well, drupal has a lot of ubuntu maintainers tho
[21:19] <knome> i already had 12 months too much of drupal
[21:19] <SiDi> you got a webby, charlie-tca ? :O
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Yeah, because it is in launchpad and doesn't require PHP
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Yes, SiDi
[21:19] <charlie-tca> http://keepingdreams.com
[21:19] <knome> drupal doesn't need php?
[21:19] <knome> :P
[21:19] <Slonkie> what's the terminal command for renaming?
[21:19] <knome> SiDi, mv
[21:19] <charlie-tca> That is the only reason it is recommended so strongly
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: mv
[21:19] <Slonkie> Thanks!
[21:20] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:20] <knome> drupal runs on php
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Cannonical/Ubuntu website maintainer won't allow php, so he goes with moinmoin and drupal
[21:21] <charlie-tca> knome: it can run php, but does not have to
[21:21] <knome> right
[21:21] <knome> but wordpress was a ubuntu supported thing?
[21:22] <charlie-tca> no, wordpress has never been suggested/supported
[21:22] <charlie-tca> Since it was only blog capable until a year or so ago, it was not used for websites
[21:22] <knome> i still don't believe drupal can run without php
[21:23] <knome> it kind of still only runs blogs.
[21:23] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:23] <charlie-tca> But with a little work, you can build a website out of it.
[21:23] <knome> but with wordpress mu you can have several "sites"
[21:23] <knome> well there's nothing stopping you from doing a wordpress theme with static things only
[21:24] <charlie-tca> exactly. I did build teamcharliesangels with wordpress, but I haven't updated it and now it is down
[21:28] <SiDi> im gonna try drupal
[21:29] <SiDi> sometimes i feel like blagging
[21:29] <SiDi> but i dont have a blag :(
[21:30] <knome> blag? :P
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I am real bad at it, really.
[21:31] <SiDi> sometimes i feel like posting my opinion about various subjects
[21:31] <SiDi> mostly thoughts, or political stuff tho, but still :p
[21:31] <SiDi> and im very pissed of not having a blag (mostly cause i cant host it at home)
[21:32] <charlie-tca> It does give you a place you can get away with it
[21:33] <ochosi> knome: the blag... http://xkcd.com/148/
[21:33] <knome> argh.
[21:34] <SiDi> :]
[22:36] <[AfZ]TomServo1> there's a TON of people in #ubuntu :O
[22:36] <[AfZ]TomServo1> but anyway, i have another problem :(
[22:37] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i installed openSUSE on the other half of my second hard drive
[22:37] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yes, xubuntu was there beforehand
[22:37] <[AfZ]TomServo1> on the first half of the drive
[22:38] <SiDi> you still didnt tell us about your problem.
[22:38] <[AfZ]TomServo1> and i can't get into suse, or mount the partitions in xubuntu to check out the grub config file
[22:39] <SiDi> What version of xubuntu ? And when you installed OpenSuse, what partition did you chose ?
[22:39] <[AfZ]TomServo1> let me double check
[22:41] <[AfZ]TomServo1> it's xubuntu 9.04(upgraded from 8.10), and i have it on partition sdb1
[22:42] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Recover%20Grub
[22:43] <SiDi> sudo fdisk -l ?
[22:43] <SiDi> what format the sdb1 partition has ?
[22:44] <SiDi> if you cant boot its likely that your xubuntu kernel cant read it.
[22:44] <[AfZ]TomServo1> they're all ext3 formatted
[22:44] <[AfZ]TomServo1> suse's on sdb3 for the root, and sdb4 for /home
[22:46] <SiDi> whats the error when you mount /dev/sdb3 ?
[22:47] <[AfZ]TomServo1> mount: can't find /dev/sdb3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[22:47] <SiDi> ..
[22:47] <SiDi> its normal :)
[22:47] <SiDi> type the following command
[22:48] <SiDi> sudo mkdir /media/openSuseRoot && sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /media/openSuseRoot
[22:48] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i typed in in wrong, didn't i :/
[22:48] <SiDi> you need to tell mount where it has to mount
[22:48] <SiDi> unless your /etc/fstab file is configured for auto mounting
[22:48] <SiDi> !fstab
[22:49] <SiDi> then you can gksudo mousepad /media/openSuseRoot/boot/grub/menu.lst :)
[22:49] <SiDi> and add your own boot entry to xubuntu's menu.lst
[22:50] <SiDi> Good night, going to bed. Good luck Tom
[22:50] <[AfZ]TomServo1> thanks a lot, good night
[23:02] <[AfZ]TomServo1> !mtab
[23:04] <ochosi> [AfZ]TomServo1, so did you follow SiDi's advice and did the mount work?
[23:04] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah, the mount worked
[23:04] <ochosi> i didn't completely follow your discussion, so were are we now?
[23:04] <ochosi> +h
[23:05] <[AfZ]TomServo1> for some reason, the "cd" command isn't being recognized on my machine
[23:05] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i know what it is
[23:06] <ochosi> in what kind of terminal are you?
[23:06] <[AfZ]TomServo1> bash
[23:06] <ochosi> tty or emulator?
[23:06] <[AfZ]TomServo1> emulator
[23:06] <ochosi> cos i just can't imagine that not to work
[23:06] <ochosi> what's the output of e.g. cd /media/openSuseRoot?
[23:07] <[AfZ]TomServo1> cd: command not found
[23:07] <[AfZ]TomServo1> ok...it just worked now
[23:08] <[AfZ]TomServo1> i guess you can't combine cd with sudo
[23:08] <ochosi> maybe a typo?
[23:08] <ochosi> oh, no, you can't
[23:08] <[AfZ]TomServo1> yeah, a typo ;)
[23:11] <[AfZ]TomServo1> Suse's /boot/grub/menu.lst seems to be empty
[23:13] <[AfZ]TomServo1> nevermind, found it...i'm such a klutz
[23:14] <ochosi> np
[23:23] <[AfZ]TomServo1> thanks for the help...i may be back
[23:48] <KX> hey can the install cd format my entire hdd then install over it?
[23:48] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:48] <KX> ok thanks
[23:48] <charlie-tca> If you want xubuntu to do the reformat, just tell it during the installation to use the entire drive