[00:20] <linux0> hi
[00:36] <Aquina> 'lo
[01:40] <raevol> it looks like XDG_DATA_DIRS doesn't include /usr/share
[01:40] <raevol> should it?
[01:40] <raevol> i mean, /usr/local/share
[01:40] <raevol> it has /usr/share
[01:50] <raevol> does anyone know where the xdg environment variables get set in xubuntu?
[03:26] <xnoobtu> evenin everyone
[03:27] <xnoobtu> was hopin maybe I could find some help
[03:28] <xnoobtu> i think the install just answered my own question for me :) well thanks anyway. hope you all have a good night
[03:40] <Juanantonio> Hello. I would like to know some opinion on X10.04
[03:42] <Juanantonio> Is there someone?
[04:29] <neozen> greetings all
[04:40] <bcgrown> where are the xfce panel settings stored?  i just want to reset it to normal but removing ~/.config and ~/.cache didn't do it
[04:45] <moetunes> !resetpanel | bcgrown
[04:45] <moetunes> I think that works in xubuntu
[04:46] <moetunes> ...
[04:46] <_Techie_> moetunes, xfce4-panel
[04:47] <moetunes> so that bot link isn't for xubuntu then _Techie_ ?
[04:47] <_Techie_> nope
[04:47] <_Techie_> !xfce4
[04:48] <_Techie_> !xfce
[04:48] <_Techie_> !Xubuntu-channels
[04:49] <moetunes> just thought the bot links in here would be for xubuntu is all
[04:49] <_Techie_> some things are, but it iwll also use ubuntu factoids
[04:50] <bcgrown> so... nobody knows?
[04:50] <_Techie_> i could figure it out easy enough, but not whithout looking at an xubuntu system
[04:51] <bcgrown> what would you look for?
[04:51] <_Techie_> ~/.xfce4
[04:52] <bcgrown> yep, me too but there isn't one
[04:52] <moetunes> kill the panel then remove ~/.config/xfce/panel I thought
[04:52] <bcgrown> there's a ./config/xfce4 but removing did seem to do anything
[04:52] <bcgrown> maybe because i didn't kill the panel first
[04:52] <_Techie_> how did you kill your panels?
[04:52] <moetunes> did you kill the panel before removing it?]
[04:53] <_Techie_> sudo killall xfce4-panels && rm ~/.condig/xfce4 && xfce4-panels
[04:53] <_Techie_> config*
[04:54] <bcgrown> yep, that did it!
[04:54] <_Techie_> sudo killall xfce4-panels && rm ~/.config/xfce4 && xfce4-panels
[04:54] <bcgrown> i just did "killall xfce4-panel though
[04:54] <_Techie_> ahh
[04:54] <_Techie_> i see
[04:54] <bcgrown> thanks
[04:54] <_Techie_> you had removed the config fiel
[04:54] <_Techie_> but not fully killed the panels
[04:55] <bcgrown> yeah, it must've just re-written it when i logged out
[04:55] <bcgrown> i hate it when my computer outsmarts me
[04:55] <moetunes> heh
[04:55] <_Techie_> si there anyone onjline that can add to ubuntu's factoids?
[05:00] <_Techie_> what do people think of the case im getting on wednesday?
[05:00] <_Techie_> http://www.aywun.com/ProductDetails.asp?ID=88
[05:02] <bcgrown> ...functional
[05:02] <bcgrown> not a fan of windows
[05:02] <moetunes> I like mid sized cases-that looks cool :]
[05:14] <_Techie_> im getting that because its one of the few cases where all the internals are painted black aswell
[05:14] <bcgrown> does it come with a power supply
[05:14] <_Techie_> nah, i got my own PSU
[05:15] <_Techie_> a 500W im throwing in it
[05:15] <bcgrown> cool.  some of those included ones are shall we say... not so good
[05:15] <_Techie_> this isnt a good PSU anyway
[05:15] <_Techie_> im upgradign to a Vantech ION when i can afford it
[05:15] <bcgrown> some name brand ones aren't so good either: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410
[05:16] <bcgrown> might want to read through that before you buy a new one
[05:32] <neozen> I think I'll look @ xfce #6230 as a blessing in disguise ..... time to bone up on the mc shortcuts.
[05:34] <mkitef> Anyone able to help me debug a graphics problem preventing me logging in to my upgraded Lucid laptop?
[05:35] <_Techie_> please pastebin /var/log/xorg.log
[05:35] <_Techie_> !paste
[05:37] <mkitef> Having to run IRC on another machine as the textmode console resolution is wrong as well.  I'll try via ssh from this machine
[05:38] <raevol> does anyone know where the xdg environment variables get set in xubuntu?
[05:40] <mkitef> Sorry ubottu - I don't understand the reference to the channel topic.
[05:40] <raevol> i have a bug i need to file and i want to make sure i write it up correctly
[05:40] <mkitef> Sorry - ubotto I should have said - the laptop is Xubuntu Lucid
[05:41] <_Techie_> !ubottu
[05:42] <mkitef> Hi Techie - Xorg.0.log is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/426803/
[05:44] <_Techie_> mkitef, does your screen support 800x600?
[05:45] <mkitef> Techie - should support 1024x768 I think as well as 800x600 - it's an old Toshiba R100
[05:45] <_Techie_> you may wish to try another screen
[05:45] <_Techie_> as theres no actual errors int xorg.log, but it is using a very low resolution
[05:45] <mkitef> Do you mean plug in an external monitor?
[05:46] <_Techie_> ... is this a laptop>
[05:46] <mkitef> Yes it's a laptop
[05:46] <_Techie_> excuse me while i run and hide in the corner, i hate graphics problems on laptope
[05:46] <_Techie_> laptops*
[05:47] <_Techie_> anyway
[05:47] <mkitef> I know what you mean - it was working in an interesting manner in Xubuntu Karmic, now I can't log in and the console mode if wrong
[05:47] <mkitef> ^h^h is wrong
[05:48] <_Techie_> you may need to use xrandr to change the resolution, or create an xorg.conf
[05:48] <_Techie_> !xrandr
[05:48] <_Techie_> !xorg
[05:48] <_Techie_> have fun
[05:52] <moetunes> mkitef: you need to make a xorg.conf and set better hsync and vrefresh settings
[05:53] <moetunes> line 214 suggests that
[05:53] <mkitef> I just tried running xrandr, but I get "Can't open display" error, even with sudo
[05:54] <moetunes> is X running?
[05:54] <mkitef> It was, then I tried after "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" and still got the same error
[05:55] <moetunes> well while X isn't running do   Xorg.configure   to make an xorg.conf.new in your home folder
[05:56] <moetunes> oops that should have been Xorg -configure mkitef
[05:56] <mkitef> Got a cannot move old log file error - will try as root
[06:00] <mkitef> No X server with errors: f000:50b4: 01 ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE!
[06:00] <mkitef> error setting MTRR (base = )x.......) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)
[06:01] <moetunes> trident cards do bite
[06:02] <moetunes> mkitef: try    killall -v X    and see if it was still running
[06:03] <mkitef> I'm going to try again over ssh so I can cut & paste the results
[06:03] <moetunes> k
[06:04] <mkitef> can't start X over ssh
[06:05] <moetunes> if you do the killall -v X on the lappy or through ssh does it say it was already dead?
[06:06] <mkitef> ssh says - user not authorised to run the X server (even with X11 tunnelling turned on)
[06:06] <moetunes> try it on the lappy and use sudo then
[06:09] <mkitef> trying X -config xorg.conf.new on the lappy returns blank screen of Ctl-Alt-F8, no change to text on Ctl-Alt-F7 and long text on console that ends in the error about illegal extended x86 Opcode and inappropriate ioctl
[06:11] <mkitef>   /var/log/Xorg.0.log has a line near the start Unable to locate/open config file: xorg.conf.new but I know the file is there
[06:11] <moetunes> the command   sudo Xorg -configure   on its' own make a file   xorg.conf.new   in your home folder that you can edit to add better vrefresh etc then move to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:19] <mkitef> Ok - now I get the Xorg.0.log generated and the usual errors about refresh rates.  The console still has the error about ILLEGAL X86 OPCODE
[06:24] <moetunes> mkitef: did you add to the vrefresh setting in the xorg.conf?
[06:25] <mkitef> trying - I added HorizSync 50-70 and VertRefresh 50-70.  Still getting the same errors.  Just googling for correct settings
[06:28] <moetunes> mkitef: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/4570/toshiba-tecra-m1-stuck-on-800x600-maximum-screen-resolution/
[06:28] <mkitef> Trying this one as well http://borderworlds.dk/writings/xorg.conf
[06:29] <mkitef> came from this site http://borderworlds.dk/writings/freebsd_on_toshiba_portege_r100.html which is the same model
[06:30] <moetunes> shold work but the vrefresh seems very high at 110
[06:30] <moetunes> s/shold/should
[06:32] <moetunes> the one I posted has the same vid card and a vrefresh rate of only 60
[06:33] <mkitef> I'll trying bringing it down
[06:33] <moetunes> high settings can fry the tft
[06:39] <mkitef> still doesn't seem to work - screen is black.  Xorg.0.log reports (II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[06:41] <mkitef> Also found this: (--) TRIDENT(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) TRIDENT(0): *Default mode "1024x768": 65.0 MHz, 48.4 kHz, 60.0 Hz (II) TRIDENT(0): Modeline "1024x768"x60.0   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz)
[06:43] <moetunes> can you paste that xorg.0.log mkitef ?
[06:45] <mkitef> pasted at http://paste.ubuntu.com/426825/
[06:47] <moetunes> k
[06:51] <mkitef> We have progress - I just rebooted and now the GDM login screen is the right resolution and so is the console mode.  However, I still can't login to the GUI
[06:52] <mkitef> Just did a "less Xorg.0.log" in the console and now the text goes off the bottom of the screen again :-(
[06:55] <moetunes> mkitef: I would change the vrefresh to 40-70 and hsync to 25-55 'cause the log still says they are out of range
[06:56] <mkitef> Currently in the log they say they are (II) TRIDENT(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 31.50-50.00 kHz (II) TRIDENT(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 43.00-60.00 Hz
[06:58] <moetunes> that's why I suggested  vrefresh to 40-70 and hsync to 25-55
[06:59] <moetunes> all we can do is change those until the "out of range" error goes and you get a gui
[07:03] <S0210> How do I remove "Wildbush" theme from the list in the Settings Menu? (It screws up my system.) What should I delete?
[07:03] <mkitef> still getting vrefresh out of range - should I be widening the range to allow more options or reducing the range to prevent it choosing the wrong ones?
[07:05] <moetunes> mkitef: slowly increase the upper setting - I would go 5 at a time
[07:09] <mkitef> So far - got vrefresh up to 90 and now only getting hsync errors - do I go up or down on that one?
[07:10] <mkitef> Current hsync = 25-55
[07:10] <moetunes> try upper limit up 5 at a time mkitef
[07:12] <S0210> How to start memenu from theterminal
[07:14] <mkitef> moetunes - hsync = 25-70, vrefresh=40-90.  No more out of range errors, but I do have "(II) TRIDENT(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)"
[07:15] <moetunes> mkitef: you might have to change the driver to vesa not trident then mate
[07:16] <moetunes> S0210: is wildbush in /usr/share themes?
[07:16] <moetunes> S0210: is wildbush in /usr/share/themes?
[07:17] <moetunes> sorry
[07:17] <mkitef> moetunes: tried vesa and got only top left quadrant of screen visible and still not logged in
[07:18] <moetunes> mkitef: paste the x log again and we'll see what it says
[07:18] <S0210> moetunes: yes, there is a directory like that. I just delete it, right?
[07:19] <moetunes> S0210: yep - you'll need admin rights tho
[07:20] <mkitef> moetunes: Xorg.0.log = http://paste.ubuntu.com/426840/
[07:21] <Peacimowen> So.. why would upgrading to 10.04 leave in graycale with a resolution that is lower than my actually display size? (meaning that the lower portion of my screen was below the bottom edge of the display)?
[07:21] <S0210> moetunes: thanks! :-)
[07:23] <Peacimowen> I scrapped Xubuntu completely as a result - it was really unusable and rather difficult to try to fix since I couldn't see half of what I was doing... but I'd like to find some kind of explanation.
[07:28] <moetunes> mkitef: seems it might be ddc module that's your prob line 150
[07:29] <moetunes> mkitef: try a reboot maybe
[07:29] <rshakin> hey ppl
[07:29] <rshakin> a quick question about dropbox
[07:30] <mkitef> moetunes: is there a way to disable ddc? - I don't see it named in xorg.conf
[07:30] <rshakin> for some reason when it's loading it makes my background flicker anyone else has the same issue in xubuntu
[07:30] <moetunes> (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Module "ddc" already built-in - would suggest not...
[07:31] <moetunes> mkitef: ^^
[07:31] <mkitef> Oh dear
[07:33] <moetunes> mkitef: that's only a guess - I can't see another reason  for it not going fullscreen
[07:33] <moetunes> tho
[07:35] <mkitef> moetunes: I get the ddc error under vesa & trident drivers from the beginning.  Reboot makes no difference unfortunately
[07:37] <moetunes> mkitef: that card is getting old now - xorg updates prob didn't take it into consideration - you might have to consider an older distribution for the lappy :{
[07:38] <mkitef> moetunes: trident gives me the right resolution for GDM but an error about (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan).  Whereas Vesa driver gives me no errors but the wrong resolution.  Both give me the ddc error.  You think it is an old card or old processor? - the error says "X86 EXTENDED OPCODE"
[07:40] <moetunes> mkitef: to be honest i don't know - it is the only error and it comes straight after the ddc module is loaded - so adding !=! gives...
[07:40] <moetunes> 1+1 I meant
[07:42] <mkitef> Cheers - I'll try googling the error - found 1 hit already, but doesn't seem to help http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=42872
[07:47] <moetunes> mkitef: he had a fix with   HorizSync 28.0 - 51.0   VertRefresh 60.0 - 60.0
[07:50] <mkitef> That gets me the right resolution with the vesa driver - but still no login and still the ILLEGAL X86 EXTENDED OPCODE! error
[07:53] <moetunes> mkitef: mint would have been using older ubuntu stuff - might pay to see if lucid uses a newer Xorg then
[07:59] <mkitef> moetunes: tried tail -f Xorg.0.log during a login attempt:  got the error
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) Power Button: Close
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[07:59] <mkitef> (II) Video Bus: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) Power Button: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) PS/2 Mouse: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics"
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) Macintosh mouse button emulation: Close
[08:00] <mkitef> (II) UnloadModule: "evdev"
[08:00] <mkitef> f000:50b4: 01 ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE!
[08:00] <mkitef>  ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[08:03] <Sysi> pastebin please
[08:03] <mkitef> Sysi - sorry (new to irc)
[08:04] <moetunes> mkitef: the close bits would be because X was exiting
[08:08] <_Techie_> !pasta
[08:08] <_Techie_> !paste
[08:09] <moetunes> mkitef: from the second last post here - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/problem-with-setting-right-screen-resolution-in-debian-lenny-769707/ - HorizSync       31.50-81.00 & VertRefresh	40.00-75.00
[08:19] <mkitef> Sorry - still a step backward with the vertrefresh error and still the DDC
[08:26] <moetunes> hmm well I'm outta ideas then mkitef sorry
[08:28] <mkitef> moetunes: I appreciate the help.  Now tried starting X from console with GDM turned off.  I get this recurrent message "No protocol specified /n .. /n " repeats until X killed
[08:28] <moetunes> mkitef: how did you try to start x?
[08:29] <moetunes> without gdm you should use     startx
[08:29] <mkitef> I stopped GDM.  Then used "startx" from the console command line.  There is another error that scrolls off the screen and doesn't go into Xorg.0.log
[08:29] <moetunes> k
[08:31] <mkitef> I get the OPCODE error then: error setting MTRR (base=0xf00000 ...)  Inappropriate ioctl for device (25).  No protocol specified .. waiting for X server to begin accepting connections.
[08:36] <mkitef> moetunes:  PROGRESS - if I run sudo startx I get a GUI!
[08:36] <moetunes> that's strange...
[08:38] <mkitef> Could this relate to the upgrade and using the same username and not reformating the /home partition causing a problem?
[08:38] <moetunes> has the comp lost power while running?
[08:39] <mkitef> not that I recall
[08:39] <moetunes> did you mount the old /home as /home ?
[08:39] <mkitef> yup
[08:39] <moetunes> it should be fine - I do that
[08:41] <mkitef> ls -l of my home dir give the owner of most files as "501" but some new ones as "myusername"
[08:42] <moetunes> is there a .ICE file?
[08:42] <moetunes> or .ICE*
[08:43] <mkitef> There is a .ICEauthority file
[08:43] <moetunes> you might have to   sudo chmod 777   that file and chown the rest
[08:44] <mkitef> I just did the chown -R, I'll try the chmod
[08:48] <mkitef> no luck from chmod
[08:49] <mkitef> now it won't work for root either!
[08:49] <moetunes> mkitef: you might have to go to tty and kill X
[08:49] <mkitef> I did
[08:49] <moetunes> k
[08:50] <moetunes> did the chown -R work? - I always use -Rv to make sure
[08:51] <Mikolynx> Help!
[08:51] <Mikolynx> I need serious help...
[08:52] <mkitef> 8GB of files later the chown seems to have worked
[08:52] <moetunes> heh
[08:52] <Mikolynx> I can't seem to boot 10.04...updated from karmic...
[08:53] <moetunes> any error with startx?
[08:53] <moetunes> mkitef: ^^
[08:53] <Mikolynx> been all over the forum trying to figure out how to get past the bliking cursor at boot...
[08:53] <Mikolynx> I get the blinking cursor then a black screen...
[08:53] <MrNaz> in the new screensaver dialog, how do you download the screensavers that arent already on the system?
[08:54] <mkitef> sorry - chown still running I can just catch the "permissions retained" messages as they go by
[08:54] <MrNaz> aptitude serach screensavername doesnt bring naything up
[08:55] <mkitef> oops - it says "ownership retained" - I guess the last chmod worked
[08:55] <moetunes> k
[08:56] <mkitef> looks like I am getting a GUI - with my default windows open!
[08:58] <mkitef> moetunes: Thank you for all your time and help.  I have a GUI and it survived a reboot and ordinary login!
[08:58] <moetunes> well done mkitef :]
[08:59] <mkitef> It must have been a permission problem preventing Xserver - client talk or XFCE starting
[08:59] <moetunes> yep sounds like it
[08:59] <mkitef> Many thanks :-)
[09:00] <moetunes> np :)
[09:00] <Mikolynx> See, when I reboot I see the system stuff run through and then I get a blinking cursor that lasts for 30 seconds and then a black screen.\
[09:02] <moetunes> Mikolynx: is that in the recovery mode?
[09:56] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:56] <MaxFrames> strange... #xubuntu-it is automatically forwarded to #ubuntu-it
[09:56] <knome> there is no localised channels for xubuntu
[09:57] <MaxFrames> oh...
[09:57] <knome> the #ubuntu-it will answer quoestions about xubuntu as well, as long as they have the knowledge
[09:57] <knome> *-o
[09:58] <Sysi> knomeledge
[09:58] <moetunes> heh
[09:59] <knome> that is what they don't have
[09:59] <knome> ;)
[10:03] <MaxFrames> I have an issue with synergy+ since I have upgraded to 10.04, sometimes when I switch the mouse to the client (xubuntu) from the server (windows), the client "thinks" the mouse button is depressed
[10:03] <MaxFrames> thus a selection rectangle appears and moves around as I move the mouse
[10:03] <MaxFrames> I have to logoff to stop that
[10:05] <MaxFrames> in other words, it's like I was constantly keeping my finger on the mouse button
[10:05] <MaxFrames> I don't know what is causing this, it does not happen every time
[10:05] <MaxFrames> but often enough
[10:07] <knome> MaxFrames, have you tried pressing esc?
[10:07] <MaxFrames> yes, I've tried to press almost every key :)
[10:07] <MaxFrames> apparently, the only way to stop it is to log off and back on
[10:10] <mouseover> I want to apt-get g++4.2 which is not available in the Lucid repo. Tho it is available in the 8.10 repo. How can I get something from an older Ubuntu repo?
[10:12] <mouseover> How do I apt-get a package from an older Ubuntu repo? For example, g++-4.2 is not available in 10.04, but available in 8.10.
[10:32] <freim> hi, quick question: is pulseaudio an optional or required dependency in Xubuntu 10.04?
[10:33] <mr_pouit> it's not required for xfce, only for gdm
[10:33] <freim> ok, good
[11:06] <freim> does anyone know how to make keyboard shortcuts using the "windows key"? I can't seem to get them to work
[11:14] <moetunes> how are you trying to set them?
[11:15] <freim> I used the keyboard settings dialog. Added an entry which looked like <Super_L>+a
[11:16] <freim> which then was set to start up the xfce terminal
[11:16] <freim> I tested the same with <ctrl><alt> and that one worked fine
[11:16] <freim> but the one with the windows key didn't react at all
[11:17] <freim> in KDE and Gnome it is recognized as <Mod4>, not <Super_L>
[11:17] <moetunes> why not just use the application shortcuts in keyboard settings?
[11:18] <freim> not sure what you mean by that
[11:20] <moetunes> it's  a tab in the systems settings - keyboard applet
[11:20] <freim> that's where I set it I believe
[11:20] <freim> unless there are several places to set shortcuts
[11:21] <moetunes> k - it would have asked you to press the keys you wanted yes?
[11:21] <freim> not that I can see how it helps to change where I set it when it seems XFCE doesn't recognize the windows key as a modifier
[11:21] <freim> moetunes: yes it did
[11:22] <freim> it wasn't a problem to add the entry. The problem is that it doesn't work :)
[11:22] <moetunes> do you have a right and left windows key? - super L is the left one
[11:23] <freim> yes
[11:23] <freim> and I set and tested the left one
[11:24] <moetunes> seems strange
[11:25] <freim> I tried googling it, but only found old entries with no definitive answer other than that it just didn't work
[11:25] <freim> some people apparently had some luck messing with xmodmap, but I didn't see a difference
[11:36] <moetunes> freim: do you have a file ~/.config/xfce4/shortcuts/"theme-name".xml?
[11:37] <freim> don't know, at work atm
[11:38] <freim> I need to hand-edit it?
[11:38] <moetunes> seems if you bypass the shortcuts gui and edit that file directly it can work
[11:39] <moetunes> it's from an old post tho
[11:40] <freim> will check when I get back home
[13:44] <arthurjohnson> Does anyone here happen to know what provides automounting in Xubuntu?
[13:44] <mr_pouit> thunar + thunar-volman (+ hal)
[13:44] <arthurjohnson> I'm running Ubuntu Cli and installed just the Xfce4 components, and with Karmic automounting worked fine.  Once I upgraded to Lucid, it stopped working.
[13:45] <arthurjohnson> One of my machines is using Xubuntu, and automounting is working fine there.  So I doubt its a thunar problem.
[13:45] <mr_pouit> do you usedo you use autologin on the machine?
[13:45] <mr_pouit> *do you use
[13:45] <arthurjohnson> yes, in fact I do.
[13:46] <arthurjohnson> Interestingly enough, not on the Xubuntu machine.
[13:46] <mr_pouit> yeah, it fails because of that, probably
[13:46] <mr_pouit> ah
[13:46] <mr_pouit> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/546992)
[13:51] <freim> hasn't 10.04 migrated from HAL->udev?
[13:53] <mr_pouit> xfce components still use hal
[13:54] <freim> so both can run side-by-side?
[13:55] <freim> the way it has been described it seemed like hal was being ripped out and wouldn't work correctly anymore
[14:12] <arthurjohnson> Ha!  That solved it mr_pouit
[14:12] <arthurjohnson> I put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local, rebooted, and ta-da!  Automounting started working again.
[14:20] <arthurjohnson> How is #xubuntu handling it?  I thought hald didn't load during upstart?
[14:21] <arthurjohnson> I should say, Xubuntu 10.04, I didn't mean the channel.
[14:28] <impulse255> hi
[14:28] <impulse255> i recently installed xubuntu and it worked perfectly but then i restarted the machine and i don't have the panels
[14:28] <impulse255> the sort of dissappeared i only see the desktop ..
[14:28] <Sysi> !panels
[14:29] <impulse255> yeah i was just writing that i can run that command and it works it shows the panels
[14:29] <impulse255> but the problem is they dont reappear when i restart ..
[14:29] <impulse255> also there are some criticals right after i start xfce4-panel
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> impulse255: When you restart or log out, did you click save session?
[14:30] <impulse255> nope ..
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> Try that and see if it solves your problem.
[14:30] <impulse255> there is a checkbox on the logout window
[14:30] <arthurjohnson> Yes, is that checked on?
[14:30] <impulse255> that says 'save sessions for future logins'
[14:30] <impulse255> i think it was on the first time i restarted ...
[14:31] <impulse255> i can try again and see if that works
[14:31] <arthurjohnson> make sure your panels are loading, restart making sure that "save session..." is checked on.
[14:31] <arthurjohnson> loading == loaded
[14:32] <impulse255> just restarted the laptop
[14:32] <impulse255> 1sec
[14:32] <impulse255> it works ^^
[14:32] <impulse255> thank you
[14:33] <arthurjohnson> impulse255: your welcome ;)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu OpenWeek starts at 15:00 UTC today
[15:40] <craigbass1976> Someones top menu bar disappeared.  How can I tell her to get it back?  She's got no menus
[15:40] <charlie-tca> !panels
[15:42] <craigbass1976> charlie-tca, thank you much.  Never heard of it, and on my end, I couldn't figure out how to delete on in a hirry on my end to test.
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Yeah, not an uncommon issue
[15:44] <craigbass1976> How'd she delete it?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> she didn't. It crashed
[15:44] <craigbass1976> Ahh.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> An easy way to see it happen is to boot the live cd environment, then click the 'quit' icon two times
[15:45] <craigbass1976> Hey, while I've got you, is there an issue in general with openoffice in regards to a hardy to lucid upgrade?  Last night at my house on regular ubuntu, there was some issue but I was able to go through with the upgrade.  Today on Xub (at work) the upgrade wouldn't continue.  I've uninstalled and will give it another go.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:46] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any other workaround, then to uninstall and reinstall OO.o
[16:07] <ocs> hi. I'm trying to install 10.04  with the live cd. Unfortunately, it doesn't see any root filesystem. I obtain the same error with 9.10, while 9.04 works...
[16:12] <Prajwal> any command to start a new terminal
[16:12] <Prajwal> other than xterm
[16:12] <charlie-tca> xfce4-terminal
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Terminal
[16:12] <charlie-tca> both should work
[16:13] <Prajwal> it should have all the setting applied to terminal
[16:13] <Prajwal> that was my idea
[16:13] <rgnr> hey ppl
[16:13] <Prajwal> anyway thanks let me check with this
[16:13] <rgnr> is 10.04 worthy yet?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Prajwal: xfce4-terminal  is the command used in xubuntu to start your terminal
[16:13] <charlie-tca> rgnr: worthy of ???
[16:13] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:14] <rgnr> i saw some posts made a few days ago
[16:14] <rgnr> reportin 10.04 is being mighty problematic
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Oh?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I run it on three systems with a problem
[16:15] <charlie-tca> There is a bug in thunar, which freezes it if you use detailed view
[16:16] <Prajwal> thanks charlie-tca
[16:16] <Prajwal> actually i had my manual setting applied there ...xterm was showing me a white background
[16:16] <Prajwal> this helped me better
[16:18] <ocs> "no root file system is defined. please correct this from partitioning menu" during installation from live cd... But I'm unable to correct it... what should I do? I don't have this error with 9.04 (on the same hardware)
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Did you select a partition to install in ?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> The partition menu has changed since 9.04
[16:19] <rgnr> and what's with grub?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> rgnr: ??
[16:20] <charlie-tca> specifics, please
[16:20] <rgnr> like many users complain on grub bug
[16:20] <rgnr> after updating
[16:21] <charlie-tca> If they downloaded the early test images, it is broken
[16:21] <rgnr> upgrading to 10.04
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Did they read the release notes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#GRUB%20menu.lst:%20install%20the%20maintainer%27s%20version%20vs.%20keep%20the%20local%20version
[16:26] <rgnr> cool thanks
[16:26] <rgnr> i'll keep that in mind
[16:29] <craigbass1976> thanks charlie-tca.  Off to upgrade
[16:56] <vik> hello, I cannot write my usb after update from Karmic, please help
[17:01] <arthurjohnson> vik: Can you elaborate? What kind of USB device?
[17:04] <vik> It's usb pen drive
[17:04] <vik> It mounts, but I cannot write on it
[17:05] <vik> it was ok with Karmic
[17:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: can you past the output of dmesg here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[17:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: Then send me the link.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Are you using auto-login?
[17:23] <Guest96887> hi, why flash drives are not automounted?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Are you using auto-login?
[17:24] <vik> arthurjohnson, http://pastebin.com/Sp2S8d84
[17:24] <Guest96887> yep
[17:25] <charlie-tca> That is a bug. the workaround is to login manually
[17:25] <charlie-tca> bug 546992
[17:25] <Guest96887> okaaaay, so if i change autologin to manual login, there's nothing more to do, just reboot?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/546992
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: Actually, there is another workaround
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: You can put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local just before "exit 0"
[17:26] <arthurjohnson> Guest96887: Thats what fixed it for me.
[17:26] <Guest96887> arthurjohnson, ok, will try that, thx
[17:27] <charlie-tca> That was a good workaround for most users.
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Thank you, arthurjohnson
[17:27] <arthurjohnson> charlie-tca: I just fixed my Lucid installs that way this morning ;)
[17:28] <Guest96887> will now reboot and see if it works
[17:28] <arthurjohnson> vik: Can you do the same thing for the "mount" command
[17:28] <arthurjohnson> vik: Just run "mount" and put it in pastebin and send me the link
[17:29] <vik> http://pastebin.com/kTiH4Wf4
[17:30] <lsemple> hi, after instaling xubuntu 10.04,and finally getting the nvidia drivers to work for me,  my splash screen for turning on my computer and booting the O/S has been changed to something that looks like its in 256 color mode (low resolution also)
[17:30] <lsemple> how do I put it back to the default xubuntu 10.04 bootsplash ?
[17:30] <Guest63985> okay, that actually did the thing, great thx to everybody:)
[17:30] <arthurjohnson> Guest63985: Glad I could help!
[17:30] <charlie-tca> lsemple: yes, that is a bug in the nvidia drivers. It is acually something like 4-color mode
[17:30] <lsemple> christ
[17:31] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah thats uuugly
[17:31] <lsemple> makes me super unsure of my system
[17:31] <lsemple> I bet they did that on purpose
[17:31] <arthurjohnson> vik: Thats really odd.  From your dmesg and mount command, everything is read only.
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Here, this tells you about it - http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[17:32] <arthurjohnson> I'm sorry, I meant read-write
[17:32] <arthurjohnson> vik: And you say you can't write to /media/usb0?
[17:32] <lsemple> charlie-tca: no way to fix this hey ?
[17:33] <lsemple> what about making my own bootsplash
[17:33] <charlie-tca> lsemple: see that last link I gave
[17:33] <vik> arthurjohnson, yes, i am sure
[17:33] <arthurjohnson> vik: Open a terminal and type "touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:33] <charlie-tca> lsemple: yes, you could create one. It is mainly those of us with the Nvidia cards that are screwed on it
[17:34] <vik> touch: cannot touch „/media/usb0/testfile“: Permission denied
[17:34] <vik> arthurjohnson, I was doing an upgrade from Karmic, that's it
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: Do an "ls -alh /media/usb0" and put that in pastebin
[17:36] <lsemple> charlie-tca: what did you do to your system ?
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: Or better yet, do a sudo touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:36] <lsemple> did you get a bootsplash made ? or just leave it ?
[17:36] <arthurjohnson> vik: sorry, "sudo touch /media/usb0/testfile"
[17:36] <vik> viso 6,0K
[17:36] <vik> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 2,0K 1970-01-01 03:00 .
[17:36] <vik> drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4,0K 2010-05-03 19:19 ..
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I cleaned up the overspray in the logo
[17:37] <jarnos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9227244#post9227244
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Here is the one I use as an attachment to the bug - https://launchpad.net/bugs/552000
[17:37] <vik> nothing happens with sudo touch...
[17:37] <vik> just another line
[17:37] <arthurjohnson> vik: Your usb device is mounted as root
[17:37] <charlie-tca> jarnos: referring to???
[17:38] <arthurjohnson> vik: cat /etc/fstab and put that in pastebin.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <arthurjohnson> vik: don't flood the channel
[17:38] <charlie-tca> lsemple: take a look at the bug report.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> jarnos: the answer is in the wiki
[17:39] <vik> http://pastebin.com/izJNP9yB
[17:39] <charlie-tca> !grub2 | jarnos
[17:40] <vik> arthurjohnson, I have installed USBmount previously, just after update, because it my usb did not turn on at all
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: Thats not the proper fix
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: sudo apt-get autoremove usbmount
[17:41] <arthurjohnson> vik: Then put /usr/sbin/hald in /etc/rc.local just before "exit 0"
[17:42] <arthurjohnson> vik: Reboot, and you will be all set.
[17:42] <jarnos> charlie-tca: ok, thanks
[17:42] <vik> arthurjohnson, what about /usr/sbin/hald???
[17:45] <vik> arthurjohnson, once again what should I put in rc.local?
[17:48] <Sysi> they removed hal to be fast and now usb-mounts fail?
[17:48] <lsemple> man upgrading is painful
[17:48] <lsemple> I hope this xubuntu lasts 10 years
[17:49] <lsemple> thats the goal isnt it ?
[17:49] <vik> arthurjohnson, it's not working, my usb is not mounted at all.
[17:49] <Sysi> !lts
[17:51] <vik> I need help. My usb is not being mounted after upgrade from karmic to lucid. I would appreaciate help. Thanks
[18:02] <vik> Please, i really need help with mounting usb, I cannot solve it myself
[18:02] <vik> -
[18:02] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah ok I saw your post in that bug report that you cleaned up the logo
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !patience
[18:02] <lsemple> charlie-tca: what did you do to it ?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I opened it in GIMP and removed all the excess white around it
[18:03] <charlie-tca> It looked like it had been spray painted, so I cleaned up the overspray
[18:04] <lsemple> ohh yeah I see that
[18:04] <charlie-tca> It still shows up big for nvidia users, but it looks sharper on my system
[18:05] <lsemple> yeah, well I am going to make my own
[18:05] <lsemple> keep the colors simple
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Okay. Let us see it when it is done?
[18:05] <lsemple> what color mode should I use ?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> You have an nvidia card, gotta stay in 16-color
[18:05] <lsemple> ok
[18:05] <lsemple> sounds good
[18:06] <lsemple> I will keep the logo the same and the icon, maybe do something cool to it though
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I'm no artist, myself. The best I can do is letters
[18:08] <lsemple> charlie-tca: yeah same
[18:08] <lsemple> I was thinking of making an ansi art logo or something :)
[18:08] <lsemple> out of text
[18:08] <lsemple> the matrix
[18:08] <lsemple> could probably just download something
[18:22] <arthurjohnson> vik: I'm out of ideas, sorry I wish I could help.  I had the exact same issue yesterday, and thats what I did to solve it.
[18:23] <arthurjohnson> Whops, he left.
[18:25] <arthurjohnson> Wished I could have helped him, darned need to eat sustenance to survive.
[19:51] <arthurjohnson> Anybody around for an easy question?
[19:52] <arthurjohnson> I saw that one of the features of Xubuntu 10.04 is Xfce4 Classic look.  How do I set that?
[19:52] <arthurjohnson> I poked and poked, but couldn't find anything.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> It is?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah
[19:53] <charlie-tca> At the gdm screen, select xfce-session instead of xubuntu-session
[19:53] <charlie-tca> I think
[19:53] <arthurjohnson> Orly
[19:55] <anom01y> is it me or does everyone seem to be having problems with this "new" ubuntu 10.04 ??
[19:56] <anom01y> and video card drivers, specifically nvidia
[19:56] <charlie-tca> not really problems here. Incompatible with the new plymouth screen, though
[19:56] <arthurjohnson> Cute!  Wished it saved as much memory as vanilla Xfce4 install, but still pretty cool trick
[19:57] <arthurjohnson> anom01y: I had issues with them trying to get rid of hald, once I figured that out, everything worked as normal
[19:57] <anom01y> I can't get my nvidia drivers to stay loaded, whenever I reset the compter I have to go back into recovery mode, reinstall drivers, then restart, but then I restart again, and they are broke again
[19:57] <charlie-tca> Did you install them with hardware drivers?
[19:57] <anom01y> yep
[19:58] <charlie-tca> arthurjohnson: anything?
[19:58] <anom01y> nvidia geforce 6200,
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I run that card without those issues
[19:58] <anom01y> charlie-tca, ohh yeah, is it agp ?
[19:58] <anom01y> I've been having this problem for a day or two now
[19:58] <charlie-tca> pci
[19:59] <anom01y> hmm yeah mine is AGP,
[19:59] <charlie-tca> My mx-4000's are agp
[19:59] <charlie-tca> ykxf16QniGgE
[19:59] <anom01y> I am going to reset the computer (again).. hopefully this time they work... trying version 172 for the nvidia drivers..
[20:00] <arthurjohnson> I had issues with nvidia.  I wound up, of all things, removing SLiM and going back go gdm.
[20:00] <anom01y> charlie-tca, what version of drivers do you use ?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I use the version called nvidia-current
[20:00] <arthurjohnson> I'm using nvidia-glx-185, I don't know if that helps or not.
[20:01] <anom01y> ok brb
[20:01] <charlie-tca> arthurjohnson: that's old for 10.04
[20:01] <charlie-tca> nvidia-current is 195
[20:01] <arthurjohnson> This machine has been upgraded a few times.
[20:01] <arthurjohnson> I'll play with upgrading when I'm not working.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> If you installed them from nvidia's site, you have to remove the drivers completely before installing with 'hardware drivers'. The new nvidia installer in no longer usable by us.
[20:03] <arthurjohnson> yeah, strangest thing. I used Slim display manager, worked good under karmic, but under lucid, where slim is in the repos, I get all kinds of artifacts on the screen.
[20:03] <arthurjohnson> Switched back to gdm, and the problem went away.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> It mioght be that old driver causing it, but it might be something to do with gtk too
[20:04] <arthurjohnson> Right now I'm trying to figure out why one of my laptops won't come back from suspension.
[20:05]  * charlie-tca thinks it is because it is broken
[20:05] <arthurjohnson> My Acer 5315 suspends and comes back without problems, but the Dell Latitude D600 does not.
[20:05]  * charlie-tca hides again
[20:05] <arthurjohnson> Used to work under Karmic.
[20:06] <arthurjohnson> Well, the Latitude is an issued machine from my company, and I hate it.  Runs hot, touchpad is buggy, etc etc etc
[20:06] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:06] <charlie-tca> they broke some of the suspend stuff again, as I recall
[20:06] <arthurjohnson> Sometimes when I click something I have to "wiggle" the cursor to get it to wake back up.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Haven't heard that one, though
[20:07] <arthurjohnson> Same with a terminal, start typing, its locked up, wiggle, and all the text I was typing appears all at once.
[20:07] <anom01y> yeah charlie-tca arthurjohnson can't get this computer to boot
[20:07] <anom01y> without going through fail safe and low-graphics mode
[20:08] <charlie-tca> I am finding without using suspend/hibernate, my desktop is not responding always. Sometimes have to hit the key two or three times to get a response
[20:08] <anom01y> I have nvidia geforce 6200 and everything was working fine until I "upgraded"
[20:08] <anom01y> (more like downgraded)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> did you have the nvidia site driver installed?
[20:09] <anom01y> charlie-tca, no I never used that one
[20:10] <anom01y> man once I get this computer going I am NEVER upgrading ever again
[20:10] <arthurjohnson> you could reinstall from scratch ;)
[20:10] <anom01y> arthurjohnson, I just did that
[20:10] <charlie-tca> I upgraded three systems without that problem
[20:10] <anom01y> after having the exact same problem after upgrading using synaptics upgrade tool
[20:10] <anom01y> I should just put 9.10 back in
[20:11] <arthurjohnson> or 8.04, and wait for the next LTS ;)
[20:12] <arthurjohnson> Oh wait...
[20:13] <anom01y> yeah this is BS
[20:13] <anom01y> I hate upgrading
[20:13] <anom01y> can't even work
[20:28] <arthurjohnson> I did four upgrades and four installs.  All seem to be working pretty well for me.
[20:28] <arthurjohnson> Other than the hald problem on the upgrades, that is, and the artifacts with Slim display manager.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> three upgrades and 16 installs
[20:29] <arthurjohnson> I can't get the install to boot off the usb stick for my laptop thou, ticking me off.
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Yeah, mine are all cd based
[20:36] <anom01y> well I may or may not switch to ReD hat
[20:37] <arthurjohnson> DONT do Debian Testing whatever you do. Nvidia is completely broken.
[20:37] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:38] <anom01y> is red hat good with nvidia ?
[20:38] <anom01y> I would like something that has xfce
[20:38] <arthurjohnson> no idea
[20:38] <arthurjohnson> haven't used Red Hat since they renamed to Fedora ;)
[20:40] <arthurjohnson> Switched to Debian in 1999
[20:40] <arthurjohnson> Then to Ubuntu in 2007
[20:43] <arthurjohnson> Ah crap, reinstalled on the Dell and forgot what I did to get wireless working *sigh*
[20:47] <slow-motion> hi
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Hello, slow-motion
[20:48] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[20:48] <slow-motion> so, the update is done
[20:48] <anom01y> computers are all about fixing them it seems nowadays
[20:49] <anom01y> using them is a thing of the past
[20:54] <arthurjohnson> Seems that way sometimes!
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> Aha!
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> b42-fwcutter
[21:08] <arthurjohnson> er, b43-fwcutter
[22:18] <anom01y> anyone here figure out the nvidia bug ?
[22:26] <anom01y> anyone here know of a good video card that is not ati or nvidia but well supported in Ubuntu, AGP or PCI-E 8x,
[22:26] <anom01y> has to be well supported in Linux
[22:29] <charlie-tca> What's left if you don't use nvidia or ati?
[22:31] <anom01y> something good
[22:32] <anom01y> I don't know just sick of Nvidia
[22:32] <anom01y> sick of ATI
[22:32] <anom01y> they both owned by Intel or AMD are they not ?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:32] <anom01y> nvida is on its own ?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> They are separate companies. Intel makes it own video chips, as far as I know
[22:33] <anom01y> ohh yeah
[22:33] <anom01y> Asus as well
[22:33] <anom01y> ?
[22:33] <anom01y> There has to be an alternative video card
[22:34] <anom01y> that handles say 3d support, and has about 512 MB or so ram
[22:34] <anom01y> because you really don't need that much just to do basic stuff
[22:35] <anom01y> I used to play Ghost Recon online like 9 years ago,
[22:35] <anom01y> on 64mb
[22:36] <ghigo> buonasera
[23:11] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:12] <knome> !hi | sebsebseb
[23:47] <arthurjohnson> Well, that was easy!  Switched to Ubuntu + Xfce4 to Xubuntu just by installing xubuntu-desktop, log out, and log in as xubuntu session
[23:49] <arthurjohnson> had to set the theme, but the menu changed with the log out and back in, and the extra services were installed.  Couldn't be easier.
[23:49] <arthurjohnson> Don't know why I thought it wouldn't be ;)
[23:50] <knome> arthurjohnson, congrats :)
[23:51] <Martiini> how can I disable getting any KDE packages ...
[23:51] <knome> Martiini, there's no way to stop installing them if you install something that needs them
[23:53] <Martiini> I wish there was an option in "synaptic" .. to disable any KDE packages
[23:53] <knome> no, unfortunately there is not.


[11:56] <Tm_T> hehe, gnome/gtk filedialog segfaults :p
[11:56] <Tm_T> that means, no artwork... oh well, not yet february ;)


[12:06] <dendrobates> I am very much a debian newbie.  I come from a corporate IT background, so mostly redhat.  And at home until recently gentoo.
[12:06] <dendrobates> the last debian I installed was potato.
[12:06] <ajmitch> ah right
[12:06] <ajmitch> well #ubuntu-motu can help a lot, just ask if you have questions
[12:07] <dendrobates> kees is mentoring me, but I am a difficult student.
[12:07] <dendrobates> I created my first packages yesterday.  php-imap php-mcrypt.
[12:07] <dendrobates> the were somehow missing from gutsy.
[12:08] <dendrobates> they depend on packages in universe, so they have to be separated into their own source packages.
[12:09] <ajmitch> yes, though there was someone working on a php-universe package that builds all those binaries
[12:10] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5701
[12:10] <ajmitch> alright
[12:10] <dendrobates> I'll look at that, thx.
[02:43] <fernando> moin all


[14:35] <explore> hey
[14:39] <explore> newbie question, when you install a vnc server on a ubuntu server, does it free up all the memory resources when you don't use it? (meaning when you don't log in via vnc)?
[14:40] <explore> cus i have a really old PC with low specs and i was wondering if I can free up the main memory when VNC isn't been utilized for that weekly administrative upkeep
[14:40] <explore> cus I just imagine that X Window and all that take up ram
[14:40] <explore> does it?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> explore: vnc is a security risk these days, cant you do your work over ssh?
[14:51] <explore> can i forward vnc over ssh?
[14:52] <explore> i remember a long time ago it was easy to setup vnc over ssh
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | explore yes
[14:52] <explore> lotuspsychje: so back to the question of resource utilization
[14:52] <explore> when i am not using vnc connections, i am hoping that X window and VNC server will just swap to disk and leave the main memory alone
[14:52] <explore> is that the case?
[14:53] <explore> or will they gunk up the main memory?


[02:22] <brian-99> #debian-es
[15:38] <niceee> how can I tweak unity that it always shows the window menu and next to it the title?
[16:21] <cdsouthan> Hi can I ask a question ?
[16:24] <cdsouthan> My rather ancient machine has upgraded to 11.04 but I cant seem to change the Gnome desktop to Unity
[17:09] <pavolzetor> hi, how could I make header that looks same like in ubuntu one control center?
[17:09] <pavolzetor> because I have similar layout
[17:11] <pavolzetor> or like in empathy in oneiric
[17:26] <pavolzetor> nobody>
[17:26] <pavolzetor> ?
[20:26] <ejat> hi .. how to restore unity environment to its default  ?
[20:27] <ejat> anyone ?
[20:29] <ejat> ?
[20:48] <Daekdroom> ejat, run unity --reset in a terminal
[20:49] <Daekdroom> If you want to reset the Launcher shortcuts, you should run unity --reset-icons instead
[20:49] <Daekdroom> You can also use both parameters at the same time, I think
[20:49] <ejat> i got the screen flicker when i want to log in to normal ubuntu
[20:51] <ejat> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/screenshot20110719at115.png/
[20:51] <ejat> i got like that when i want to login with unity environment


[08:33] <Kilos> morning everyone
[09:09] <kbmonkey> morning
[12:17] <zeref-lappy> hmmmm
[12:22] <kbmonkey> aaaaah
[12:23] <zeref-lappy> hmmm busy playing around with this 8ta usb
[12:29] <kbmonkey> made any progress zeref-lappy ?
[12:31] <zeref-lappy> nope, busy reading diff solution on mybb forums
[12:31] <zeref-lappy> tried with wine, but keep getting connection terminated when tryin to connect
[12:32] <Tonberry> somehow I don't think drivers and wine will work well together
[12:34] <zeref-lappy> yeah, on mybb most solutions are for the E-series and not ce0682
[12:36] <zeref-lappy> what solutions did you guys use?
[12:37] <zeref-lappy> i'm also thinking virtualbox??
[12:37] <Tonberry> that could work
[12:38] <Tonberry> but is a bit overkill imho
[12:40] <zeref-lappy> true
[12:41] <zeref-lappy> hmmmmm
[12:55] <kbmonkey> AFAIK you cannot virtualize or emulate the connection
[12:55] <kbmonkey> do you have a 10.10 iso zeref-lappy ?
[12:56] <kbmonkey> to try the live env?
[12:58] <kbmonkey> connect the device, let it settle, run 'dmesg | tail -n 50' and copy the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com for us?
[12:58] <kbmonkey> let's see what it says :]
[13:01] <zeref-lappy> kk
[13:07] <zeref-lappy> o0o0
[13:07] <zeref-lappy> all its saying is rejecting I/0 to dead device
[13:37] <kbmonkey> sorry, can't make any sense of that
[13:41] <zeref> o0o0
[13:41] <zeref> got it
[13:44] <kbmonkey> working?
[13:46] <zeref-lappy> yeah, had to install usb-modeswitch :P
[13:47] <zeref-lappy> just have to fix settings
[13:49] <kbmonkey> good find!
[14:06] <Kilos> hi superfly et al
[14:06] <Kilos> hehe
[14:06] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:07] <Kilos> hi zeref
[14:07] <Kilos> hi zeref-lappy as well
[14:07] <Kilos> did you get the modem working
[14:14] <Kilos> that frightened him
[14:16] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[14:16] <kbmonkey> et al
[14:17] <Kilos> lol hiya kbmonkey
[14:17] <kbmonkey> how can I see what processes use mst memory/ram?
[14:17] <Kilos> thats gleaned from superfly
[14:17] <Kilos> oh my there was a goodie
[14:18] <kbmonkey> goodie?
[14:19] <kbmonkey> free shows 90% ram used
[14:19] <kbmonkey> top sorted by %mem doesn't show anything above 1.5%
[14:19] <superfly> htop is pretty cool for viewing that sort of stuff
[14:19] <Kilos> lol ya man a thingie that puts an icon on a panel
[14:19] <Kilos> some monitor
[14:21] <kbmonkey> installs htop
[14:22] <kbmonkey> ah, htop shows same info as top, with ncurses interface
[14:24] <Kilos> cpufire-applet
[14:24] <Kilos> i had another applet once that showed kinda graphs on cpu usage inna applet
[14:24] <kbmonkey> I don't have gnome panel Kilos
[14:24] <kbmonkey> but thanks for the thought :)
[14:25] <Kilos> oh you unitied?
[14:25] <Kilos> shame
[14:25] <kbmonkey> I'm on Openbox
[14:26] <kbmonkey> crunchbang linux openbox
[14:26] <Kilos> ah
[14:26] <Kilos> hey aquarat
[14:29] <Kilos> kbmonkey,  http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/16851/xorg-high-cpu-usage-conky/
[15:22] <Kilos> hehe like a yoyo
[15:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:23]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee please
[15:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[15:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz chocolate milkshake please
[15:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Go get it yourself!
[15:25] <kbmonkey> >:O
[15:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:26] <Tonberry> maaz: vim or emacs?
[15:26] <Maaz> Tonberry: Excuse me?
[15:26] <Tonberry> oh well..
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[15:27] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[15:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and kbmonkey!
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:27] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:28] <Kilos> bbl
[17:10] <zeref_> .
[17:40] <superfly> ..
[18:13] <Kilos> evening all of ya
[18:33] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos
[18:34] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  wassup
[18:37] <kbmonkey> brb
[18:40] <kbmonkey> what are you up to Kilos ?
[18:40] <Kilos> not much lad and you
[18:42] <kbmonkey> tired brain is in limbo. been insomiac lately.
[18:42] <Kilos> eish
[18:54] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what you doing
[18:55] <Kilos> the limbo rock?
[18:55] <kbmonkey> that's the one
[18:56] <Kilos> you got time to look at something for me?
[18:57] <kbmonkey> sure, what's up
[18:57] <Kilos> you got fibre so it wont help you unless you riding around again
[18:57] <Kilos> http://www.hitxp.com/articles/software/ubuntu-fix-slow-wireless-internet-connection-speed-upgrading-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[18:57] <Kilos> aw i only see now its for natty
[18:58] <Kilos> thats what it advertises
[18:58] <Kilos> Ubuntu - Fix for Slow Wireless Internet Connection Speed
[18:59] <kbmonkey> ironically that page takes a long time to load ;P
[18:59] <Kilos> lol
[19:00] <Kilos> have you ever used gprs?
[19:00] <Kilos> thats slow
[19:00] <Kilos> average of like 4kB/s
[19:00] <Kilos> on good days
[19:00] <kbmonkey> that fix looks like for a specific piece of hardware
[19:01] <Kilos> oh
[19:01] <kbmonkey> the power management for the dongle messes with it's functionality
[19:01] <Kilos> what power management
[19:01] <Kilos> internal in modem
[19:02] <kbmonkey> the kernel pm handles external devices too
[19:02] <kbmonkey> so if you sleep your pc, it needs to sleep your network card, or external drives, dongles etc
[19:02] <Kilos> slow wireless is very seldom the modem its always the service providers in my opinion
[19:02] <Kilos> i dont sleep or hibernate anything
[19:03] <kbmonkey> some times the power manager doesnt know how to handle a certain hardware
[19:03] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> hehe ty kbmonkey
[19:03] <Kilos> hows your planning going for lpi?
[19:04] <kbmonkey> it says, that power management gets 'confused' with certain hardware, giving that piece of device less ower than it actually needs.
[19:04] <Kilos> ah
[19:05] <kbmonkey> almost like if you swtich off your kettle before it finished boiling, so your coffee is still cold :D
[19:05] <kbmonkey> nobody likes cold coffee
[19:05] <kbmonkey> unless it's an iced latte
[19:05] <kbmonkey> or frozen espresso
[19:05] <Kilos> haha
[19:05] <kbmonkey> hmmm, i think i want coffee now.
[19:05] <Kilos> ya
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:05]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:06] <Kilos> Maaz, hot
[19:06] <Maaz> Come on Kilos How many peeps do you know that make coffee with cold water twit!
[19:06] <kbmonkey> coffee Maaz
[19:06] <kbmonkey> Maaz:  coffee
[19:06] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[19:06] <Kilos> manners
[19:06] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:06] <Kilos> coffee please
[19:06] <kbmonkey> remember, you cant make your internet go any faster than your isp (voda/mtn/telkom) gives you
[19:06] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[19:06] <Maaz> Top shelf behind the calender
[19:07] <kbmonkey> Maaz: why is the calendar on top of the shelf?
[19:07] <Maaz> kbmonkey: I already know stuff about why
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah they the bad guys
[19:07] <kbmonkey> the calendar should be on the fridge
[19:07]  * kbmonkey looks at the calendar of linux distros
[19:08] <Kilos> its so short peeps cant scribble all over it
[19:08] <Kilos> normally short peeps doodle on everything
[19:08] <Kilos> i think doodle is the right word
[19:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:10] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:10] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:10] <Kilos> there kbmonkey he moved the calender for you
[19:11] <kbmonkey> Maaz: thanks robotic overlord friend!
[19:11] <Maaz> no problem, kbmonkey
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <Kilos> i think i go off and get clean and read  some
[19:12] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:12] <Kilos> sleep tight all of ya
[19:12] <Kilos> be good kbmonkey
[19:14] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos
[19:14] <kbmonkey> slaap goed oom :D
[19:14] <Kilos> dankie boetie
[20:32] <WOLFEYES> Good evening all.
[20:35] <WOLFEYES> Is there a place infrmation, programs etc,  can be saved with user names and passwords and then downloaded from another computer if needed.


[12:26] <Seveas> which loco?
[12:28] <Tm_T> uh oh
[12:28] <Seveas> Tm_T, ?
[12:29] <Tm_T> just wondering how long you need to milk out the info ;)
[12:38] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-effects, johanbr said: !whitescreen is Please start beryl with "beryl --use-copy" or choose the appropriate item on the beryl-manager menus. If you can't load beryl-manager without it whitescreening then use "beryl-manager --no-force-window-manager".  I'd say about 45 minutes
[12:44] <PriceChild> (hopefully)
[02:25] <PriceChild> that 45 minutes is taking a lot longer :(
[04:44] <nalioth> !staff
[04:44] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob or SportChick! I could use a bit of your time :)
[04:44] <nalioth> how do you make channel specific factoids?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: !factoid-#channel is foo
[04:45] <nalioth> !staff-#tapthru is <reply> To contact freenode staff, type /stats p <enter> in your client and /msg one of the listed people.  You may also join #help.
[04:45] <ubotu> I'll remember that, nalioth
[04:48] <tonyyarusso> what's tapthru?
[04:48] <nalioth> !staff-#tapthru is <reply> To contact freenode staff, type /stats p <enter> in your client and /msg one of the listed people.
[04:48] <ubotu> But staff-#tapthru already means something else!
[04:49] <nalioth> can someone erase that whole entry? i obviously don't need to be adding factoids in a fancy manner
[04:49] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: try joining #help
[04:51] <mneptok> ubotu forget staff-#tapthru
[04:51] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubotu forget staff-#tapthru
[04:51] <mneptok> oh FFS
[04:52] <mneptok> !login
[04:52] <ubotu> login: system login tools. In component main, is required.  "The Headmaster Ritual" is better. :)
[09:41] <mneptok> GazzaK: sorry, don't feel like making the RIAA angry from my office IP
[09:41] <GazzaK> arghhh
[09:41] <GazzaK> :p
[09:42] <GazzaK> Actually I do have the cd at home, in a box (not finished unpacking yet)
[11:18] <jenda> PAARTYY!
[11:19] <mneptok> the Party sees. the Party knows.
[11:27] <jenda> uh oh
[11:42] <GazzaK> Mez, she is so quiet (radio girl) but nice music still
[11:42] <Mez> yeah
[12:51] <GazzaK> awww Seveas emacs is scaring me :'(
[12:51] <Seveas> you're scaring me :0
[12:51] <Seveas> :p
[12:51] <GazzaK> mwhaaaa
[12:52] <GazzaK> I think ban forwards should be outlawed :-)
[12:54] <jenda> /cs bf GazzaK #gaygeeks
[12:54] <GazzaK> jenda, erm, I'm in there anyways :-)
[12:54] <jenda> I know ;)
[12:55] <jenda> whee, /me will be manning an Ubuntu booth...
[12:55] <jenda> LinuxExpo 2007
[12:55] <Seveas> Hobbsee, !
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas!
[12:56] <jenda> oi, Hobbsee
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hey jenda!
[01:11] <jenda> OUT!
[01:11] <jenda> eek
[01:11] <jenda> argh
[01:11] <jenda> ugh
[01:25] <mneptok> it's a disco inferno!
[01:26] <jenda> thanks for your protective maternal instincts, Hobbsee ;)
[01:26] <Hobbsee> jenda: heh
[01:27] <jenda>
[01:30] <Seveas> we should get a restraining order for mneptok
[01:30] <Hobbsee> that'd be nice
[01:30] <Hobbsee> against whom, though?
[01:32] <mneptok> Planit Erf
[01:40] <mneptok> i'm a star maaaaan waiting in the sky. i'd like to get to know you but the channel's set +i ....
[01:42] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: heh!
[01:43] <mneptok> 08:36 -!- mneptok changed the topic of #********* to: official support team channel - dapper and edgy questions only, please - proudly part of the AFSCME trade union - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0
[02:06] <Seveas> elkbuntu, go play with your barbie dolls :p
[02:07] <Seveas> excellent blog post!
[02:07] <elkbuntu> :
[02:07] <Seveas> haha
[02:08] <mc44> Seveas: stop virtual stalking elkbuntu
[02:08] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah, interesting, as to why you joined ubuntu-women
[02:08] <Seveas> mc44, are you blonde?
[02:08] <mc44> Seveas: you can be my girlfriend
[02:08] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yah
[02:09] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i dont need the support of other women, but some are like that *shrug*
[02:09] <elkbuntu> Seveas, you can stalk me any day ;)
[02:09] <jenda> aww, how sweet ;)
[02:10] <mc44> elkbuntu: but dont let him play with your dolls. He has this fetish...
[02:10] <pleia2> elkbuntu: and it is a good reason to join ubuntu-women, I know that female role models (via linuxchix) were a HUGE part of me not running away from the whole linux/foss thing scared ;)
[02:10] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, mind you, i dont get why some girls need to be accompanied by half the women in a pub each time they need to use the toilet
[02:10] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hah!
[02:10] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: yes
[02:10] <Seveas> elkbuntu, rofl
[02:11] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: men hiding in the toilets.  duh.
[02:11] <mneptok> safety in numbers? (another reason FLOSS is tough for women)
[02:11] <Hobbsee> mneptok: yes.
[02:11] <pleia2> mneptok: something like that, feeling like a "mythical creature" is no fun
[02:11] <pleia2> well, it's a little fun sometimes ;)
[02:11] <pleia2> but it gets lonely
[02:11] <Hobbsee> mneptok: havent you even ahd sleezy people try to crack onto you?
[02:11] <mneptok> pleia2: hush, you. i'm a fairy unicorn princess.
[02:12] <pleia2> I'm a princess!
[02:12] <elkbuntu> mneptok, basically. 1 or 2 friends fine.. but i've seen a troup of 10 girls accompany one girl to the loo
[02:12] <Hobbsee> haha, now that' sjust ridiculous
[02:12] <Myrtti> I'm a fly.
[02:12] <mneptok> frat stunt!
[02:12] <mneptok> how many can we fit in the stall?!
[02:12] <pleia2> women going to the restroom together is odd..
[02:13] <pleia2> hehe
[02:13] <mc44> men going to the restroom together is more odd
[02:13] <elkbuntu> mneptok, recalling jr highschool again?
[02:13] <mneptok> elkbuntu: no. mostly my childhood. but let's talk about unicorns.
[02:13] <elkbuntu> mc44, not when they're openly gay
[02:14] <elkbuntu> mc44, i always feel sorry for the other guys in a bathroom when gay guys go in together
[02:14] <elkbuntu> !o4o | elkbuntu
[02:14] <mc44> elkbuntu: Its worse when GazzaK follows me into the bathroom
[02:15] <mneptok> i'm a closet heterosexual.
[02:15] <mc44> with a stunning dress sense
[02:15] <mc44> @lart 37 mneptok
[02:38] <elkbuntu> hey Seveas... were you part of us trying to figure out the other day if my blog was the first female blog on planet.u.c?
[02:38] <Seveas> no
[02:38] <Seveas> but I should be able to check that
[02:38] <elkbuntu> i think i've asked you before though... if you knew of any others before me
[02:40] <jenda> nick based voice? O_O
[02:41] <mc44> jenda: so people dont confuse you ops with us voyeurs
[02:41] <jenda> aaah
[02:41] <elkbuntu> Seveas, we're pretty sure JaneW's wasnt planeted, but we couldnt be sure there wasnt anyone prior
[02:42] <Seveas> elkbuntu, you were added on 2006-09-22
[02:42] <Seveas> janew wasn't planeter
[02:42] <Seveas> hobbsee was added in january
[02:42] <elkbuntu> Seveas, Amy Jiang was like... a month or less later than i, wasnt she?
[02:42] <Seveas> amy on 2006-10-18
[02:43] <elkbuntu> celeste only within the past week?
[02:43] <Seveas> mirjam in january 2007 as well
[02:43] <Seveas> I don't see celeste
[02:43] <Seveas> nickname?
[02:43] <elkbuntu> seele
[02:43] <elkbuntu> celeste lyn paul
[02:44] <Seveas> yeah, added yesterday
[02:44] <Seveas> so you are indeed the first
[02:44] <elkbuntu> aye.. but what about during the year before... seriously nobody?
[02:44] <Seveas> not that I know of
[02:45] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:45] <pleia2> speaking of the planet, anyone know how would we go about getting the ubuntu-women planet linked in the "solar system"?
[02:45] <mneptok> dude you tohlly busted planet's cherry.
[02:45] <mneptok> OMG I SAID THAT TO A *GIRL*!
[02:45] <mc44> elkbuntu: ooh next you can be the first woman in core-dev :p
[02:45] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i was trying to avoid it like that
[02:46] <elkbuntu> s/it/saying it/
[02:46] <elkbuntu> mc44, heck no
[02:46] <elkbuntu> mc44, that's hobbsee's fight, not mine
[02:46] <mneptok> elkbuntu: but with the testosterone level, you just .... can't ... not ...
[02:46] <Hobbsee> mc44: heh.  i got told no last time
[02:46] <elkbuntu> mneptok, that would involve doing real work :-/
[02:46] <mc44> Hobbsee: SEXISM!
[02:47] <mneptok> point.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> mc44: indeed.   "It went pretty well" pfft
[03:33] <effie_jayx> heh
[03:33] <effie_jayx> jejej
[03:46] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: alsamixer is alsamixer - soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver, with ncurses interface.
[03:56] <Seveas> useles...
[03:57] <PriceChild> uuu Seveas I got rid of that yucky whitescreen-#ubuntu-effects this morning ;)
[03:58] <Seveas> did that even make it into the database?!?
[03:58] <PriceChild> Not that version
[03:58] <PriceChild> there was a smaller one
[03:58] <SportChick> \o/
[03:58] <SportChick> hi Seveas :)
[03:58] <Seveas> hi
[03:58] <SportChick> we're installing ubuntu :)
[04:01] <Seveas> \o/
[04:03] <SportChick> heh
[04:15] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  :D
[05:55] <Seveas> elkbuntu, it's 4am in .au - get some sleep :p
[06:24] <Seveas> would ubunanon be anon32....
[06:25] <nalioth> whoa
[06:25] <nalioth> how long has anon32 been around?
[06:25] <Seveas> no idea
[06:25] <Seveas> but ubunanon earned himself a couple of bans already
[06:25] <Seveas> see #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:37] <Seveas> PriceChild, Seveass == UbunAnon == Uanon
[06:37] <Seveas> a troll
[06:37] <PriceChild> Seveas, yeah i remember seeing that guy banned
[06:37] <Seveas> I'm now banning his minions as well
[06:37] <PriceChild> I didn't wanna do anything against the guys asking thoguh
[06:38] <PriceChild> but I will now that i've seen you set the precedent :)
[06:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, jhutchins said: no sudo is <reply> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. see !kdesu for GUI Applications.
[06:56] <Seveas> nonono
[06:56] <Seveas> that's not good....
[06:57] <ubotu> In ubotu, jhutchins said: no sudo is <reply> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. See !kdesu for GUI Applications.
[07:02] <PriceChild> Seveas, wooo I've got the guy pming me :P
[07:03] <Seveas> PriceChild, I beat you to that as well
[07:03] <PriceChild> haha :)
[07:03] <PriceChild> Now calm down Seveas... this isn't a competition :P
[07:10] <PriceChild> Seveas, didn't the bantracker use to put kickbans together and only make one entry? Or am I imagining it :)
[07:10] <Seveas> you are imagining it
[07:10] <PriceChild> Hehe ok :)
[07:12] <PriceChild> I've now got a i=cheester@unaffiliated/cheester complaining to me about "me" setting the ban on *.tpnet.pl - not a ban that I or you have set...
[07:15] <Seveas> I set a ban on *.something.tpnet.pl
[07:15] <PriceChild> I know
[07:15] <PriceChild> that guy isn't even in channel
[07:15] <PriceChild> he's just trolling
[07:15] <PriceChild> Seveas, there is a guy in #ubuntu now complaining about the ban however...
[07:15] <Husio> hello
[07:16] <Husio> could someone remove ban from neostrada host?
[07:16] <Husio> half of polish ubuntu users (or even more) use those host
[07:16] <Seveas> Husio, no
[07:17] <Husio> why?
[07:17] <Seveas> Husio, and by sending more minions to troll and inquire about bans, you'll only make sure the ban stays for longer
[07:17] <Seveas> goodbye
[07:17] <Husio> omg...
[07:17] <Husio> like kids
[07:18] <PriceChild> Husio, you weren't even in the channel for the ban :) Please go away :)
[07:18] <Husio> actually I'm using neostrada
[07:18] <Husio> so I can't join #ubuntu
[07:19] <Husio> use ignore instead of ban
[07:19] <jenda> He might have a point... the entire ISP is banned...
[07:19] <Husio> or ban nick
[07:21] <nalioth> is a subset of the whole ISP bannable, or have they been connecting from all nodes?
[07:21] <PriceChild> Its on a single node isn't it that we've banned?
[07:22] <PriceChild> oh wait no
[07:22] <PriceChild> silly me :)
[07:23] <czester> Ok...
[07:23] <czester> Sorry for agressive behavoiur PriceChild
[07:23] <czester> But this ban is riddiculous
[07:24] <PriceChild> czester, you are complaining about a ban:
 *.tpnet.pl
[07:24] <PriceChild> which is not the ban that was set
[07:24] <PriceChild> Nor was I the one to set it.
[07:24] <czester> Yeah. Let me be exact
[07:24] <czester> http://wklej.org/id/e81bf91f42
[07:25] <czester> ban affects most popular isp in poland
[07:25] <czester> so someone changes connection and enters the channel and you ban him for trolling?
[07:28] <PriceChild> czester, You were not even in the channel when the ban was set.
[07:28] <czester> PriceChild: Because you banned me.
[07:28] <PriceChild> czester, bans don't kick.
[07:28] <nalioth> czester: you are not banned.
[07:28] <czester> 191852             freenode--- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned)
[07:28] <PriceChild> nalioth, he is
[07:29] <nalioth> his cloak should let him bypass it
[07:29] <PriceChild> nalioth, I banned the cloak
[07:29] <nalioth> PriceChild: aha
[07:29] <PriceChild> nalioth, This is after he joined the channel and immediately complained about a ban he wasn't around for.
[07:30] <czester> It affects massive number of polish users
[07:30] <jacekowski> PriceChild: i just ask about one ban
[07:30] <czester> *.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
[07:31] <czester> This is not one user.
[07:31] <Seveas> jacekowski, I ban a troll, you come in and ask about that ban. That troll can be seen from miles away
[07:31] <czester> Seveas: This is not one user's host
[07:31] <Seveas> jacekowski, and repeatedly avoiding bans doesn't do your case any good
[07:31] <czester> Seveas: This is whole ISP
[07:31] <czester> They all have dynamic IP
[07:31] <Seveas> czester, because troll jacekowski kept avoiding the ban
[07:31] <jacekowski> Seveas: because he troling on #gentoo why he cannot join #ubuntu
[07:31] <Seveas> czester, so tough luck
[07:32] <czester> Seveas: So what next are you going to ban? Spain?
[07:32] <Seveas> if the next trolls come from spain and have a dynamic ip and abuse that: yes
[07:32] <PriceChild> czester, do you really imagine we would place a _permanent_ ban on the entire isp for ever and ever?
[07:33] <czester> Seveas: Ridiculous.
[07:33] <Seveas> czester, if jacekowski stops trolling, th ban eventually will be removed
[07:33] <czester> You are trolling.
[07:33] <czester> Right now.
[07:33] <nalioth> czester: unfortunately, this is what happens.
[07:33] <jacekowski> Seveas: how you define trolling?
[07:33] <czester> ^_^
[07:33] <Seveas> jacekowski, for example: avoiding bans
[07:33] <nalioth> czester: problematic users who keep cycling their IPs end up getting a larger node of their ISP banned
[07:33] <czester> I was hoping ubuntu community isn't so rude like gentoo's
[07:34] <czester> Nevermind.
[07:34] <ikonia> why are you mad at ubuntu - be made at the guy trolling
[07:34] <Seveas> czester, unfortunately they are, that's why we have to ban
[07:34] <ikonia> s/made/mad
[07:34] <czester> yeah, yeah.
[07:34] <czester> Bye.
[07:35] <Seveas> gee, leaving at the same time
[07:35] <Seveas> what a coincidence
[07:35] <ikonia> almost as if they where the same person.......
[07:35] <PriceChild> I'm willing to bet it'd be pretty safe to remove the ban in about 2 minutes 8-)
[07:35] <ikonia> if its any interest czester was in ubuntu earlier making up problems
[07:36] <ikonia> I know that sounds backwards he'd ask a question, then when you answered said "I never asked that question"
[07:36] <ikonia> constantly
[07:36] <ikonia> about 5 hours ago
[07:37] <Seveas> ikonia, hmm...
[07:37] <ikonia> it wasn't a big deal as he seemed to get bored of it
[07:41] <PriceChild> Finally!!!!!!!
[07:43] <Seveas> about time
[07:43] <Seveas> delayed by 3 weeks
[07:43] <PriceChild> I've been so patient :)
[07:44] <Seveas> dogslow though
[07:45] <PriceChild> uses drupal....?
[07:45] <Seveas> yeah
[08:13] <Seveas> somerville32_, those bans have been removed for a while
[08:13] <Seveas> and not a sign of them
[08:13] <Seveas> how not surprising
[08:14] <PriceChild> Did someone tab complete the word "so"? :)
[08:16] <Seveas> no, I'm gonna patch xchat to require 2 tabs
[08:16] <Seveas> @lart me
[08:16] <Seveas> @lart me
[08:16] <Seveas> @lart me
[08:17] <Seveas> @lart me
[08:18] <GazzaK> @pity you
[08:19] <GazzaK> rusty paper hole puncher - lol
[10:00] <Seveas> nixternal, could you add that to the fridge (and while you're at it, please do the CC meeting as well)
[10:01] <nixternal> Seveas: already did the CC meeting while at school earlier
[10:01] <Seveas> you rock
[10:01] <nixternal> will add this meeting right now
[10:01] <Seveas> you rock more :)
[10:01] <nixternal> why thank you ;p
[10:02] <jenda> hehe
[10:02] <jenda> hey, rockers - still no idea when the CC election will take place?
[10:02] <Seveas> no
[10:02] <Seveas> I'll be asking sabdfl that at the CC meeting?
[10:02] <Seveas> s/?/!/
[10:03] <jenda> ok
[10:03] <jenda> good :)
[10:03] <nixternal> btw, if any extra help is needed in #kubuntu-offtopics feel free to sign me up. I am low on the op side having only #kubuntu and #ubuntu-marketing (fyi)
[10:03] <nixternal> Seveas: is there an agenda to the meeting?
[10:03] <Seveas> nixternal, whatever needs to be discussed about the council and the wikipages
[10:04] <nixternal> just wondering if there is a wiki page
[10:04] <nalioth> nixternal: you aren't signed up for the ubuntu-irc mailing list?
[10:04] <nixternal> nalioth: yes
[10:05] <nixternal> is the link in there?
[10:05] <nalioth> Seveas: who did you need in Houston?
[10:05] <nixternal> I am logging into email right now
[10:05] <nalioth> nixternal: there are 3 links in the latest
[10:05] <Seveas> nalioth, just wanted to find the time difference between here and you
[10:05] <nixternal> nalioth: thanks!
[10:05] <nalioth> @lart nixternal for not keeping his email managed
[10:07] <nixternal> @lart nalioth for keeping his email managed
[10:08] <Seveas> @lart both of you for @larting each other
[10:09] <apokryphos> hm, with regard to the Guidelines
[10:10] <apokryphos> most of them are obviously just what we should be advising, but some of them are more a case of personal preference, like using +q, or /remove
[10:11] <nalioth> apokryphos: so edit it to make it more clear
[10:11] <apokryphos> we should mention those options (since ops don't know them) but we probably don't need to advise _against_ using the others
[10:11] <nalioth> bbl
[10:11] <apokryphos> ok, I'll make some changes and then anyone can check/comment on them
[10:13] <jenda> * jenda sets ban on %*!*@ubuntu/member/jdong
[10:13] <jenda> temporary, but needed :/
[10:14] <apokryphos> jenda: where?
[10:15] <jenda> #ubuntuforums
[10:15] <PriceChild> #ubuntuforums
[10:15] <Seveas> jenda, hmmm
[10:15] <apokryphos> @btlogin
[10:16] <Seveas> ah, i see why
[10:16] <Seveas> jenda doesn't like cigars
[10:16] <Seveas> FAST
[10:16] <elkbuntu> oh how uneducated some people are.... see comments to my latest post for more information
[10:16] <elkbuntu> *blog post
[10:16] <jenda> Seveas: :)
[10:16] <Seveas> jenda, /cs -n b nickname -- the -n causes you to stay opped
[10:16] <apokryphos> :O
[10:17] <Seveas> useful for doing bans in a row
[10:17] <jenda> ooh :)
[10:17] <jenda> thx
[10:23] <PriceChild> jenda, nice -n usage there :)
[10:23] <jenda>
[10:25] <apokryphos> submitted new changes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines
[10:25] <apokryphos> and bleh, I do dislike moinmoin
[10:28] <nixternal> hey, how does one use the /remove feature for freenode?
[10:29] <Seveas> nixternal, /remove #channel nick
[10:29] <Seveas> nixternal, or if you have xchat, use chanserv.py :)
[10:29] <tsmithe> pah :P
[10:29] <Seveas> in that case it's ven worse
[10:29] <Seveas> /quote remove #channel nick
[10:30] <nixternal> nalioth drove me nuts during the IRC training for the classroom when I was using and having issues/questions with Konversation :)
[10:30] <LjL> #channel appears to be empty, though it's registered, and nick is not online, and not even registered
[10:33] <nixternal> so you have to op yourself first and then issue the command
[10:34] <jenda> Seveas: is it intentional that when voicer.py can't voice anyone, it voices me instead?
[10:34] <Seveas> no
[10:34] <Seveas> that'd be a bug
[10:35] <Seveas> jenda, fixed version uploaded
[10:35] <nixternal> :)
[10:35] <nixternal> I just removed everyone from my channel....hahahahah the script works ;p
[10:35] <jenda>
[10:35] <jenda> nixternal: roflmao
[10:36] <jenda> nixternal: hmm, lemme try that in #ubuntu...
[10:36] <jenda> :)
[10:36] <nixternal> hehe
[10:36] <Seveas> jenda, /cs clear users is easier ;)
[10:36] <jenda> oh, thanks
[10:37] <jenda> O_O
[10:37] <LjL> do it *with* a forward to #ubuntu--ops or somesuch, so it'll actually look like the channel was cleaned :)
[10:38] <Seveas> LjL, oh noes
[10:38] <Seveas> you're getting evil!
[10:38] <LjL> heh
[10:38] <Seveas> hmm
[10:38] <Seveas> jenda can't be banned/forwarded
[10:38] <Seveas> stupid freenode staff
[10:38] <jenda> hehe
[10:39] <LjL> blah, he's even got a non ASCII realname, i bet +d will refuse to work just because of that >:
[10:39] <Seveas> woot
[10:39] <Seveas> that works :D
[10:39] <LjL> looks like
[10:39] <Seveas> alindeman/BearPerson: that seems to be a bug
[10:40] <LjL> some call those "features", but yeah
[10:41] <Seveas> bwahaha
[10:41] <PriceChild> rubbing it in now :)
[10:58] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Julie said: ubotu... what im saying is that i did the command in the terminal allready... gksudo nautilus.. but if i try to make a link of a file, it dosent work, it says i dont have permission
[10:58] <jenda> !bot > Julie
[10:59] <Tm_T> jenda: why not let him to find it out him/herself? ;)
[11:01] <jenda> hehe
[11:01] <jenda> because that's what I'm here for.
[12:17] <Seveas> somerville32_, ...
[12:17] <Seveas> RIGHT
[12:17] <Seveas> i KNEW i'm not crazy
[12:17] <Seveas> stupid xchat does nick completioin without tab
[12:18] <Seveas> lj, aad
[12:18] <mc44> so, not for me
[12:18] <Seveas> i really only typed so,...
[12:18] <Seveas> somerville32_, ...
[12:18] <Seveas> AGAIN
[12:18] <Seveas> all those times I thought I was insane :)
[12:18] <Seveas> ikonia, ... test
[12:18] <LjL> Seveas: well - wrong hypothesis, correct thesis.
[12:18] <Seveas> yup
[12:18] <LjL> happens.
[12:18] <mc44> Seveas: you really are insane
[12:18] <Seveas> sev, sada
[12:19] <Seveas> SportChick, adasd
[12:19] <mc44> Seveas: capitalised?
[12:19] <Seveas> Seveas, asasd
[12:19] <Seveas> indeed
[12:19] <Seveas> I so hate that
[12:19] <mc44> well doesnt do it for me, must be an option somewhere
[12:19] <Seveas> anyone else on xchat?
[12:19] <Seveas> feisty
[12:19] <mc44> ah, no
[12:19] <LjL> it *has* to be disablableblable
[12:20] <Seveas> Sev, asdasd
[12:20] <Seveas> disabled
[12:20] <Seveas> mystery finallt solved
[12:20] <LjL> yeah but i meant "there must be a way to disable it" :)
[12:20] <Seveas> now I can die happy
[12:20] <Seveas> LjL, it is disabled now
[12:20] <Seveas> there is a setting
[12:21] <Seveas> I vaguely even recall enabling it
[12:21] <Seveas> VERY vaguely
[12:21] <mc44> well well well
[12:21] <mc44> :)
[12:21] <LjL> Seveas: you're master of your own luck, you know. also, remember xchat isn't really a gnome app - so you *can* disable things
[12:22] <LjL> my randomometer says that wasn't random
[12:22] <mc44> Seveas: auto kick?
[12:22] <Seveas> LjL, hh
[12:22] <Seveas> mc44, no
[12:22] <LjL> well, the current ones are random
[12:22] <Seveas> trigger finger :)
[12:22] <mc44> haha
[12:22] <LjL> steady sequences of random numbers can definitely happen, everybody knows that
[12:22] <mc44> LjL: yes /dev/urandom/mc44
[12:23] <Seveas> Amaranth, see here
[12:23] <LjL> mc44: is that used to generate notes and armonies for polyphonic synthesizers?


[06:55] <purchaser___> Hello bilal !
[06:55] <purchaser___> Hello lubotu3
[06:55] <purchaser___> Hello shm
[06:55] <purchaser___> Hello ubuntulog2
[06:56] <purchaser___> I have a question: which is the best ISP in Saudi Arabia for staying at home?


[00:00] <claydoh> Darkwing: ah
[09:28] <Quintasan> Good morning
[09:47] <Quintasan> yofel_: Ah, I figured it out, Apper fails to update when there is a conflict
[09:47] <Quintasan> I had some multiarch libs to upgrade and there was a conflict
[09:47] <Quintasan> But, still, with multiarch on by default it makes me a bit uneasy about uploading it
[09:55] <yofel> moin
[09:56] <yofel> well, it would be as broken as aptitude, so I agree there
[10:23] <sheytan> apachelogger: pingy
[10:26] <bambee_> morning
[12:10] <yofel> uh.... does rekonq do something for anyone right now?
[12:10] <yofel> I enter an url, press enter and get an white page
[12:11] <yofel> oh fun, konqueror:
[12:11] <yofel> Additional Information: Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'.
[12:16] <yofel> hm, reboot fixed it -.-
[12:26] <debfx> I hope we can fit firefox onto cd at some point
[12:28] <yofel> well, firefox doesn't give me access to www-admin.kubuntu.org so it wouldn't have helped there ^^
[12:28] <debfx> it would be interesting to know which browser and email client kubuntu users prefer
[12:29] <debfx> heh, is that still broken on everything except (re)konq?
[12:30] <yofel> needs rekonq or konqueror
[12:30] <yofel> wasn't that a security feature at some point? :P
[12:34] <debfx> heh, I hope not
[13:38] <bulldog98_> yofel, shadeslayer already seen the nepomuk diff in kde-packager?
[13:43] <sheytan> hey guys
[13:44] <sheytan> is rc of kubuntu ready too?
[13:56]  * bulldog98 is testbuilding with that patch. Then I’ll upload that to ninjas
[15:18] <ximion> Quintasan: hi! can you update your system using pkcon instead of Apper?
[15:18] <ximion> dantti: ping
[15:19] <dantti> hey :)
[15:19] <dantti> It might be aptcc that needs fixing but we can only be sure if pkcon or gnome-packagekit have the same behavior
[15:20] <dantti> also it would be nice if you know which package is causing that..
[15:21] <ximion> the error information is not really good enough
[15:22] <ximion> maybe we need to poke hughsie again to allow terminal output to be passed to the backend for debugging
[15:24] <dantti> ximion: if I use gdebug in the code and packagekitd --verbose is run I could use that but aptcc code doesn't debug this part..
[15:25] <dantti> my biggest concern is about + and ~ being used on the pkg version, maybe packagekit removes it 3+git20111005+r160-8~oneiric1
[15:25] <ximion> improving aptcc is already on my TODO list, as well as making AppStream support available for Apper
[15:26] <ximion> I don't think it does...
[15:26] <ximion> only * is forbidden, afaik
[15:27] <ximion> ~ and + are bothe allowed
[15:29] <dantti> weird..
[15:29] <dantti> I have no clue ...
[15:34] <ximion> yofel: hi! have you been able to reproduce this "fails to update" bug with apper?
[15:34] <ximion> dantti: could this be related to multiarch?
[15:34] <dantti> ximion: that would be my second bet, but I dunno never used it.
[15:35] <dantti> It only tell that the package is not found if it can't find a package at that version
[15:35] <dantti> it doen't look at the arch part
[15:35] <dantti> but that might be the issue
[15:35] <ximion> dantti: yes, I guess it is...
[15:35] <dantti> I dunno if some new code is needed to know the arch..
[15:36] <ximion> but: I use multiarch and it works good
[15:37] <ximion> so, hmm
[15:40] <ximion> dantti: it is a bit difficult to convince someone to upload Apper if it does not do what it should do...
[15:41] <dantti> sure, but it's also hard to fix this issue without a test case, also Apper probably does what it should do, I believe aptcc is the one to blame
[15:41] <ximion> dantti: in this case, it should be safe to upload Apper, because then it works for 90% of all users
[15:42] <ximion> but I wonder why I don't get bug reports against gpk for this...
[15:42] <dantti> ximion: probably safe to upload, and also upload a fix for packagekit-aptcc
[15:42] <ximion> usually, if something's broken, they recognize it in a few hours
[15:42] <dantti> I believe few people use it ...
[15:43] <dantti> or don't you think so?
[15:43] <dantti> There's nothing special in the update ui, it simple pass the pkg id it got from pk, so it should be broken on gpk and pkcon too
[15:43] <ximion> there are many users, according to popcon
[15:43] <dantti> hmm
[15:44] <ximion> of course, not as much as USC users :P
[15:44] <dantti> hehe
[15:47] <ximion> dantti: btw, what was the reason not to leave apt's cache open?
[15:48] <ximion> you once told me that there were "errors" when you did this...
[15:49] <dantti> ximion: the main problem is that if you run apt-get update on the cmd line the gui will not be aware of that..
[15:49] <ximion> (oh, and we also need to take a look at the gui-filter: for some users, it doesn't work :P => http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638643 )
[15:49] <dantti> tho this could be changed as we have an /etc/apt.d script that tell us it was changed
[15:50] <dantti> but it also has the problem with the /etc/sources.list which could be fixed too with a watcher...
[15:50] <ximion> dantti: So, the problem is that if the cache stays open, you can't run apt-get update?
[15:50] <ximion> or just that the cache needs to be reopened again?
[15:50] <dantti> you can, but you have a in memory outdated cache..
[15:51] <dantti> yes you need to reopen it
[15:51] <dantti> afaik...
[15:51] <ximion> on openSUSE, they just tell PK to update
[15:51] <ximion> (zYpper has a plugin for this)
[15:51] <ximion> the same should be possible for apt, I guess
[15:52] <dantti> the problem there is that the gui filter filters by the package section...
[15:52] <ximion> together with the reworked parallel transactions hughsie is working on, PK-aptcc should become really fast
[15:52] <ximion> (fast enough for the USC)
[15:52] <dantti> ximion: it should be, tho on openSUSE things are very bad on that backend... it actualy refreshes the cache before each operation
[15:53] <dantti> ximion: sure, it just needs testing but would be great to only open the cache on the first run..
[15:53] <dantti> I let the way it is now as it's safer..
[15:54] <ximion> true
[15:55] <ximion> but PK needs to become effectively better than the other solutions ;-)
[15:55] <ximion> at time we have native tools, aptd, qapt and packagekit
[15:55] <ximion> so we have three different implementations of the same thing
[15:55] <ximion> having just one would be great
[15:56] <ximion> and having PK as the solution would be excellent, so code is shared across distributions.
[15:56] <ximion> and there are already KDE apps making use of PK
[15:59] <dantti> ximion: I did my last commit for apper 0.7, now descriptions are back to normal. I'll release a tar ball as soon as possible...
[15:59] <dantti> ximion: I'm giving linux classes right now and the students have just came back from lunch
[16:00] <dantti> if you have more details or can build a test case we fix this issue but I believe 100% that it is a backend bug...
[16:01] <ximion> okay
[16:02] <dantti> cya
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: still need that testbuild and testing stuff?
[18:02] <yofel> bulldog98: seen now, is your package ready?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> oh my
[18:03] <bulldog98> yofel: in about 1min
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ASSERT: "s->parsed == false" in file /build/buildd/project-neon-kdelibs-2+git20110924+r92127/kdecore/kernel/kcmdlineargs.cpp, line 526
[18:05] <yofel> ximion: as I don't usually use mulitarch, nope - for me it worked. The only issue I had was refreshing the cache being far too slow.
[18:05] <shadeslayer> huh, runs with kcm
[18:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: where do you have that ancient version from?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: neon, haven't updated in forever
[18:07] <yofel> current is 2+git20111002+snap4.7-59
[18:07] <shadeslayer> yup i know
[18:07] <shadeslayer> wait what
[18:07] <shadeslayer> snap ?
[18:08] <yofel> snapshot, as that's the only way to get something from the 4.7 branch
[18:08] <yofel> the import is junk
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:08] <shadeslayer> right, now i remember
[18:10] <bulldog98> yofel: uploaded to ninjas
[18:10] <yofel> thanks
[18:10]  * yofel resyncs kdesdk bzr with archive
[18:11] <bulldog98> yofel: btw the 4.7.2 stuff is already uploaded?
[18:11] <yofel> it'll get into -proposed soon, I'll push it to the public PPA first in an hour or so
[18:12] <yofel> (make that after your patch is built and tested)
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: on neon, compiling apper from git and trying to open something from "Categories" gives me : QSqlDatabasePrivate::database: unable to open database: "unable to open database file Error opening database"
[18:13] <shadeslayer> so thats broken
[18:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: yep, same what he got
[18:13] <shadeslayer> well, i don't get a error dialog
[18:13] <yofel> and me I think, although I didn't look at xsession-errors
[18:13] <shadeslayer> thats the debug output from konsole
[18:13]  * yofel reads backlog
[18:15] <shadeslayer> well from the backlog and from the error, it looks as if the db is busted
[18:16]  * Quintasan would like the Policy KCM back for Precise
[18:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, yeah, thanks
[18:16] <shadeslayer> np
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: congrats on the visa btw
[18:17]  * Quintasan wonders why his panel is not transparent when on the right side of the screen
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Don't forget yer swimming shorts, there's a hot tub there ^_^
[18:17] <Quintasan> I have a new freakin gfx card and effects are not snappy and smooth
[18:17] <Quintasan> Why the hell deleting .kde is solution to this
[18:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: AMD?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> s/AMD/ATi/
[18:17] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "Quintasan: ATi?"
[18:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You kiddin? GeForce GTX560
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:18] <shadeslayer> maybe it's too new? :P
[18:20] <Quintasan> ...
[18:20] <yofel> shouldn't be... my 250GTS worked fine from the day I got it
[18:21] <Quintasan> Currently I have three problems with my Linux experience
[18:21] <Quintasan> 1.   Why on Earth deleting your config should resolve problems after updates
[18:22] <Quintasan> Hmm
[18:22] <Quintasan> four actually
[18:22] <Quintasan> 4. Why the hell "sync" isn't getting called when copying stuff onto usb thumb drives
[18:23] <yofel> 1) sebas is trying to fix that, 2) ask martin 3) agreed 4) at the end or while copying?
[18:24] <Quintasan> at the end
[18:24] <yofel> which reminds me I forgot to file a bug for my most annoying plasma issue...
[18:24] <yofel> what's wrong with sync running at the end?
[18:24] <yofel> (should be fsync() though I guess)
[18:24] <Quintasan> NOT running
[18:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I've seen that as well
[18:24] <Quintasan> I mean
[18:24] <shadeslayer> files don't get copied properly
[18:24] <yofel> oooops
[18:24] <Quintasan> I copy files to a thumb drive
[18:24] <yofel> I'm tired
[18:24] <Quintasan> It says it's done
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yup
[18:25] <yofel> well, that's why you need to unmount it...
[18:25] <Quintasan> I try unmounting and it says it can't unmount since something is still being done
[18:25] <yofel> or "eject"
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: hangs forever when you do that
[18:25] <Quintasan> Exactly
[18:25]  * shadeslayer waves fist at rygel
[18:25] <yofel> ah... I think I saw that once
[18:26] <yofel> I somehow have a habit of running sync by hand lately...
[18:26] <shadeslayer> i just use rsync now
[18:26] <shadeslayer> or cp for smaller files
[18:26] <shadeslayer> for some reason I'm typing in the dark even tho my keyboard has a backlight feature -.-
[18:29] <shadeslayer> any plans on packaging plasma active 1 ?
[18:31] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdesdk] Philip Muškovac * 146 * debian/ (patches/no_structures_tool.diff changelog patches/series) Guard includes which are not available if the structures tool is not built. LP: #852430.
[18:35] <ximion> yofel: okay, thanks.
[18:35] <ximion> Quintasan: have you read what dantti said?
[18:35] <Quintasan> ximion: Nope
[18:36] <ximion> do you think it is okay to upload Apper if it works for most users?
[18:36] <ximion> the problem you are axperiencing seems to be a corner case...
[18:36] <ximion> I asked some other people and noone else has this error
[18:36] <ximion> also, this is a PK error I guess and has nothing to do with Apper
[18:37] <Quintasan> Well, apart from that I had no problems whatsover with Apper
[18:38] <Quintasan> ximion: Please recheck if REVU has the right version and let me know so I can take last look at it
[18:56] <ximion> Quintasan: the version on revu is okay and working
[18:56] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[18:56] <ximion> and it's the same as my local version this time :D
[19:03] <Quintasan> ScottK, ximion: Apper uploaded
[19:12] <ximion> Quintasan: thank you!
[19:50] <jussi> Back on KDE after a month of trying Unity. Boy am I glad to be back
[20:03] <jussi> anyone about?
[20:12] <jjesse> no
[20:17] <jussi> jjesse: lol
[20:18] <jussi> ANyways, Im in the middle of reporting a bug, but jockey-kde is not being started with kdesudo, therefore not allowing you to change anything.
[20:27] <jussi> bug 871469 for all interested peoples
[20:52] <Quintasan> jussi: Why would you even try this heinous abomination of an GUI?
[20:59] <yofel> Quintasan: everyone of us has to be open minded
[21:05] <yofel> bulldog98_: your new kde4libs upload adds a new symbol, please update the symbols file for libplasma3
[21:07] <yofel> please push to bzr after doing that and fixing the changelog (and mention that the patch is from upstream please and/or use a dep-3 header in the patch)
[21:16] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common] Philip Muškovac * 108 * debian/ (changelog config) New upstream release (svn: 1256933, type: stable) (PPA upload)
[22:15] <ximion> ScottK: Apper is in the Oneiric queue now :)


[12:46] <ani> e: /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/50-cloud-init.conf generated by cloud-init I see it is removed using packages/debian/cloud-init.postrm . Since the package manager does not install the conf, could we not have cleaned it up as a part of "cloud-init clean" operation?
[12:47] <ani> blackboxsw
[12:47] <ani> The reason I ask is that for centos/rhel, if we took similar approach, we would have to remove it from the rpm spec file. Instead we could have a common place to remove such conf files
[12:47] <ani> falcojr
[12:48] <ani> Please see https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1618
[12:48] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 1618 in canonical/cloud-init "ssh_util: Handle sshd_config.d folder" [Merged]
[14:52] <meena> running tox -e py3 with a freshly patched python…
[15:38] <meena> https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/107813
[15:38] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 107813 in python/cpython "GH-107812: extend `socket`'s netlink support to FreeBSD" [Open]
[18:18] <TimKumina> Hey all, I was wondering, when using a datasource like Ec2, is config in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d still expected to be applied? We're using some write_files in userdata in an Ec2 datasource, but also have one in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/10-local.cfg. However, the one from /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d is never applied and we cannot figure out why, except that
[18:18] <TimKumina> the Ec2 datasource simply overwrites the entire write_files key?
[18:19] <TimKumina> When I do "cloud-init query merged_cfg", I do see the write_files we have locally, but I'm unsure how much value the merged_cfg has in this case.
[18:24] <minimal> I believe that shows merged *system* config, rather than merged user-data
[18:32] <minimal> hmm, I guess they're used as cloud-config even if the files are missing the "#cloud-config" line
[18:34] <TimKumina> That is kinda what I expected, at least
[18:34] <TimKumina> Docs aren't super clear about it :-| Basically, I'm looking for a way to inject "vendor data"
[18:35] <minimal> TimKumina: I think you need to read this page: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/merging.html
[18:35] <minimal> it might also be affected by which version of cloud-init you're using
[18:36] <minimal> TimKumina: vendor-data? that's provided by the vendor (i.e. AWS/Ec2 in your case)
[18:36] <TimKumina> Running 23.1.1 (Ubuntu provided) and I tried adding the merge_how key to my file as well, didn't seem to make a difference
[18:36] <TimKumina> Well no, this is in premise with Hegel, which acts like Ec2
[18:36] <TimKumina> *on premise
[18:37] <minimal> if you look at that page, with older versions of cloud-init you can see that merged would result in the "latest" write_files replacing any other write_files entries
[18:37] <minimal> that page talks about how you can control the merging behaviour
[18:39] <TimKumina> yes, by adding the merge_how key, but it seems like it's ignored
[18:42] <TimKumina> Ah, found this note: "Note, however, that merge algorithms are not used across configuration types.
[18:42] <TimKumina> As was the case before merging was implemented, user data will overwrite
[18:42] <TimKumina> 'conf.d' configuration without merging."
[18:42] <TimKumina> guess we have to look for another method, then :(
[18:45] <minimal> right, so merging across /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and any other /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/* files occurs, but not between /etc/cloud/* and provided user-data
[18:46] <minimal> what exactly are you trying to achieve though?
[18:52] <TimKumina> cluster-api provider tinkerbell does not allow overriding over userdata currently, so we're trying to hack some of our custom config either into the image or in some other way
[18:52] <TimKumina> we were hoping that there was a way to merge provided userdata with stuff on disk, but we'll go the nocloud route now and just merge the data ourselves, i think
[18:53] <minimal> you mentionedf write_files, so it's not exactly "user-data" but rather files on the OS you want to modify, so why not modify them when creating the OS image?
[18:54] <TimKumina> because they differ per machine (we need to set the ip address that kubelet listens on by providing a patch file to the kubeadm init process, as it does not support setting an interface instead of an ip address)
[18:55] <TimKumina> we already have per-machine manifests with networking data in cloud-config format, so we were hoping we could simply add it in there
[18:55] <TimKumina> but networking data is handled differently from other data
[18:56] <TimKumina> so this solution works for "network:", but not for "write_files:"
[18:58] <TimKumina> or rather, "network:" is not passed in the user data, which seems a more likely explanation of why this works :)
[18:59] <TimKumina> hm that gives me another idea... if i user a resource that's not passed in the userdata, it should not merge it away...
[19:02] <TimKumina> anyway, thanks for the help! off again
[19:02] <minimal> not sure I understand exactly what you mean
[19:11] <meena> cjp256: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/107813
[19:11] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Pull 107813 in python/cpython "GH-107812: extend `socket`'s netlink support to FreeBSD" [Open]