[00:22] <owh> Yesterday nealmcb told me that ubuntu-server was looking at ebox to do central management, but there is an approved blueprint using NetDirector here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/enterprise-system-config-management, are we talking about solving two different things, or are there competing views?
[00:39] <pschulz01> Is it possible to have multiple 'up' commands in the /etc/network/interfaces file for an interface?
[00:40] <pschulz01> (eg. for setting up multiple static routes.)
[00:40] <owh> What are you trying to achieve?
[00:43] <owh> pschulz01: An interface is either up or down, making it up multiple times doesn't make sense, so what are you trying to do?
[00:47] <pschulz01> Bring up multiple routes.
[00:47] <pschulz01> eg. run multiple scripts/commands when the interface starts
[00:47] <owh> On the same physical interface?
[00:48] <owh> Running multiple scripts isn't the same as bringing up multiple routes.
[00:48] <pschulz01> owh: Otherwise.. is there somewhere else that static routes are put?
[00:48] <pschulz01> I'm just going to create a script //etc/network/add-static-routes
[00:49] <pschulz01> and put the commands in there and call that with 'up'..
[00:49] <owh> If you put that script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ it will be called.
[00:49] <owh> Example here: http://www.pcbuyersguide.co.za/showthread.php?t=6927
[00:50] <owh> I'm assuming you understand that you can also alias an interface?
[00:52] <pschulz01> owh: Yes.. as in eth0:0 ?
[00:52] <owh> Yup.
[00:53] <pschulz01> owh: Yes.. making very good use of that. Manchine IP on eth0, services on eth0:0 etc.
[00:53] <owh> Cool.
[00:53] <owh> pschulz01: That gave me an idea over here for something I'm doing, thanks!
[00:54] <pschulz01> owh: Just have to add some routes as we have a crazy openvpn setup to the box, which distributes some network routes which we need to add 'exceptions' for.
[00:55] <owh> Lovely :|
[00:57] <nealmcb> owh: the status of that netdirector spec is "drafting", not approved.  it was accepted as a discussion item for UDS, but I haven't heard much more since then
[00:58] <owh> Yeah, and since saying that I've been looking around and it seemed to all stop at the beginning of 2006. I've now downloaded the ebox-user-guide and I've found the section called eBox control centre, so I'm feeling a little more confident.
[00:59] <nealmcb> owh: what seemed to stop?  netdirector seemed active last month
[00:59] <owh> Hmm, the downloads I've found are all from 2006, am I looking in the wrong spot?
[01:00] <nealmcb> owh: note that IIRC ebox is undergoing some pretty significant changes based on the UDS conversations
[01:01] <nealmcb> owh: as I recall one of the upstream netdirector guys was at UDS, so while I haven't looked at it I was assuming it was active
[01:01] <owh> Hmm, netdirector 3.1.2 was February 2007
[01:01] <nealmcb> it is also newly relicenced I think
[01:01] <owh> No actual packages as such though.
[01:02] <owh> My largest concern with eBox was that I couldn't manage multiple servers, but that seems to have been addressed, I'm sure I'll find snakes in the grass somewhere :(
[01:04] <owh> OMG, the "how to make this work" section is pretty fun :(
[03:26] <Ahmuck> why would lspci list my nic, but ifconfig does not show it
[03:26] <kgoetz> its not configured
[03:36] <frankenchrist> from a minimal install which package to install what used to be ubuntu-lamp ?
[03:37] <Burgundavia> frankenchrist: you need tasksel
[03:38] <frankenchrist> I am using debootstrap
[03:38] <Burgundavia> the lamp option is not a package, but rather uses tasksel
[03:38] <frankenchrist> Hmm
[03:39] <frankenchrist> Is there a preseed file then on the server cd which would hold the tasksel list?
[03:48] <teddy233> dhcp classes ... anyone know how to configure them?
[03:51] <kgoetz> do you have a specific question? (no, is the answer to yours)
[03:52] <teddy233> i wont start explaining if no one in here has a clue about dhcp config
[03:53]  * kgoetz wanders off
[03:54] <teddy233> 96 vlans each wit a diff ip ... want all to use 1 dhcp server
[03:54] <teddy233> get proper ip range based on the switch/router that it came from
[03:55] <teddy233> any idea?
[03:56] <kgoetz> i suggest splitting into multiple config files for a start. just for ease of maintaincance
[03:56] <kgoetz> *sp
[03:58] <teddy233> just more stuff to manage
[03:58] <teddy233> 1 file is find
[03:58] <teddy233> i can add comments then search for a comment to find location
[03:58] <kgoetz> just checking one of my works configs, but it seemms to be stripped of comments :/
[04:00] <teddy233> the documentation is so poor
[04:01] <kgoetz> mmm. the documentation is almost just the example in the config file
[04:02] <teddy233> when u see something like this if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 4)
[04:02] <teddy233> what does the 0 and 4 mean ?
[04:04] <kgoetz> i'd guess two different types of sun gear
[04:05] <teddy233> bah, i'm going to bed
[04:05] <teddy233> pm me if u find anything
[04:05] <teddy233> i'll read in the morning
[05:21] <nealmcb> soren ^ tasksel and debootstrap question
[05:50] <kgoetz> anyone else here logging more then simply error.log and access.log to /var/log/apache2/ ? i'm wondering if your logs get rotated or not
[06:41] <kgoetz> can someone tell me how to get postfix/* to stop loggin into syslog? if that data is differnt to whats in mail.*, can i put it in a special postfix log? there so much postfix going through syslog i can't see whats going on :/
[06:42] <kgoetz> my syslog foo is weak :(
[08:18] <soren> nealmcb: Er... where?
[09:28] <kraut> moin
[11:58] <zul> morning
[11:59] <soren> We've had this discussion before...
[11:59] <zul> yes thats why im allowing you to win this time
[11:59] <soren> Oh? Ok.
[12:00] <soren> "No, it's not!"
[12:01] <zul> you're right...you win! you get a fish..
[12:02] <zul> or the mystery box
[12:03] <soren> I've seen that one. I'll go with the fish.
[12:03] <zul> dang
[12:03] <soren> "NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! STUPID!"
[12:04]  * soren chuckles
[12:04] <zul> yeah I love that movie
[12:04]  * soren too
[12:04]  * soren goes to lunch
[12:18]  * _ruben just finished lunch
[12:36] <_ruben> hmm .. you'd expect a kernel compile to bring the cpu load up to 100% .. but it doesnt, odd
[13:11] <lamont> kgoetz: in /etc/syslog.conf, change the line to read: *.*;mail,auth,authpriv.none          -/var/log/syslog
[14:18] <oly-> anyone know a good place to get cheap rack servers, ie without os for running linux ?
[14:21] <soren> oly-: Speak German?
[14:21] <oly-> nope
[14:21] <soren> oly-: Pity..
[14:22] <oly-> in uk :)
[14:22] <soren> WEll, I'm in Denmark and I speak (some) German.
[14:22] <oly-> so preferably someone who ships there :p
[14:22] <soren> Oh, you want to host the servers yourself?
[14:22] <soren> I thought you wanted colocation or something.
[14:23] <oly-> yeah want to purchase them, currently have a linux server but its running on a desktop fujitsu
[14:23] <oly-> we have a server rack, so if i can find one thats not to pricy i can replace the desktop machine
[14:24] <oly-> just thought someone here might have some recomendations :p
[14:28] <xt> oly-: HP Proliant ! :)
[14:31] <oly-> thxs for suggestion, looking at them, although the dell ones look good for the price
[14:33] <xt> dell ones are good too
[14:51] <zul> dell is also expension
[14:51] <zul> expensive even
[14:55] <oly-> the dell ones seem to start at £300 which is not to bad most places seem to start around the £500 mark
[14:56] <oly-> depends what ya need, dont need anything to fancy at the moment
[15:03] <nealmcb> soren: frankenchrist was asking about installing the lamp stack via debootstrap, which made me think of the same question for ubuntu-jeos.  how would we suggest that people install a task in ubuntu-jeos-builder?  he also asked "Is there a preseed file then on the server cd which would hold the tasksel list?"
[15:57] <Shadowhand> hello
[15:58] <Shadowhand> in order to make my life easier for my (windows-desktop-enabled) boss, is there a web-based gui i can install on top of ubuntu server?
[15:58] <Shadowhand> particularly for managing Samba
[15:59] <sommer> Shadowhand: here's a link to instructions on installing a GUI: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186298.html
[15:59] <Shadowhand> i don't want X11
[15:59] <Shadowhand> i want a web portal
[15:59] <kir> Could anybody shed the light on who is the maintainer of vzctl and vzquota packages in Ubuntu? Any package have a maintainer, right?
[16:00] <sommer> Shadowhand: ah... woops didn't read your question close enough
[16:00] <sommer> Shadowhand: SWAT is a good web based Samba config tool
[16:00] <sommer> see http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html
[16:01] <Shadowhand> thanks sommer, i'll check it out
[16:02] <sommer> np, if you need a web based tool for other services eBox is going to be integrated into Hardy.
[16:02] <Shadowhand> samba is really the only problem at the moment
[16:02] <Shadowhand> my boss wants to be able to manage the users, since he handles the desktop integration stuff
[16:03] <Shadowhand> and i don't want to crash course him in using the *nix CLI
[16:03] <dexem> then ebox is cool for that :)
[16:03] <sommer> Shadowhand: SWAT should work fine for you then I'd think.  the Ubuntu package name is swat, should painless to install
[16:03] <Shadowhand> yah, i already got installed
[16:03] <Shadowhand> just looking at the docs now
[16:05] <Shadowhand> hmm
[16:05] <Shadowhand> how do i actually access the page?
[16:05] <Shadowhand> ip.xx.xx.xx:901 ?
[16:06] <sommer> Shadowhand: I think so... I really haven't used SWAT much myself :)
[16:07] <nealmcb> sommer: good info - thanks!
[16:07] <sommer> nealmcb: np
[16:07] <Shadowhand> oh nm
[16:07] <Shadowhand> sommer: sudo update-inetd --enable 'swat'
[16:08] <Ahmuck> is there a reason why the install would detect dhcp using the nic during installation but there is no nic upon reboot listed.  it is listed in lspci, but not in ifconfig
[16:08] <Shadowhand> that was the missing step
[16:08] <Shadowhand> :)
[16:08] <sommer> party!
[16:08] <Shadowhand> Ahmuck: auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp
[16:08] <Shadowhand> that "\" is a newline
[16:08] <Shadowhand> verify that's in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:10] <Ahmuck> i assume that auto is a command?
[16:11] <Shadowhand> it's all lines
[16:11] <Shadowhand> both lines belong in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:11] <Ahmuck> ah, ok, let me check
[16:11] <Shadowhand> you should already have: auto lo \ iface lo inet loopback
[16:12] <Shadowhand> sommer: ok, here's a problem
[16:12] <Shadowhand> in order to configure smb with swat, i have to log in as root
[16:12] <Ahmuck> ya, it's there #Primary network interface
[16:13] <Ahmuck> so now what?
[16:17] <sommer> oh he bailed... sigh
[16:34] <Shadowhand> hello again
[16:35] <Shadowhand> it looks like i can't add users with swat
[16:35] <Ahmuck> ubuntu jeos would be perfect for low end systems if everything worked
[16:36] <Shadowhand> whoa
[16:36] <Shadowhand> ebox requires gnome?
[16:36] <Shadowhand> why?!
[16:36] <Shadowhand> yack, and pgsql
[16:41] <sommer> Shadowhand: eBox may not be what you're looking for then.  Also, it's really not very integrated, but should be for Hardy
[16:41] <Shadowhand> but why does a web-based tool require Gnome libs?
[16:41] <Shadowhand> that's just moronic, thb
[16:42] <sommer> never heard of Gnome web 2.0?  :-)
[16:42] <sommer> not sure about the dependency thing
[16:43] <sommer> just kidding about the gnome web 2.0... fyi, heh
[16:43] <Shadowhand> gconf2 gconf2-common
[16:43] <Shadowhand> libgnome2-gconf-perl libhtml-mason-perl
[16:43] <Shadowhand> just to list a few
[16:43] <Shadowhand> perl, gnome, and pgsql
[16:43] <Shadowhand> 3 things i don't want my administration to be dependent on :P
[16:44] <sommer> I think it may be an icon thing, but I could be wrong, pgsql isn't gnome though is it?
[16:45] <Shadowhand> pgsql isn't gnome
[16:46] <sommer> you could always whip up a cgi, php, python, script to manage passwd users :)
[16:46] <sommer> then use swat to manage the Samba aspect
[16:47] <sommer> I admit that doesn't sound very "clean" though
[16:47] <pteague_work> anybody know which kernel ubuntu-server 7.04 attempts to install on a virtual machine?
[16:47] <sommer> pteague_work: same as a regular machine
[16:47] <Shadowhand> blah
[16:48] <Shadowhand> well, my problem appears to be that the unix user accounts don't exist
[16:48] <Shadowhand> anyone know how i can run samba with a totally separate password file?
[16:48] <Shadowhand> i don't want my samba users to have unix accounts
[16:48] <pteague_work> 2.6 kernel?
[16:49] <Shadowhand> pteague_work: 2.6.22-14-server
[16:49] <Shadowhand> is the kernel i got when i installed
[16:49] <Shadowhand> (that was yesterday)
[16:49] <Ahmuck> well, i've managed to make my system non-bootable now
[16:49] <sommer> Shadowhand: this might help you: http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/passdb.html
[16:49] <pteague_work> k, it's failing when it's trying to select & install software & i'm not quite sure why :(
[16:51] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: hi there
[16:51] <pteague_work> os: linux 2.6 kernel, base memory: 512mb, video memory: 8mb...  8gb primary for / & 1gb secondary for swap
[16:51] <pteague_work> heya Ahmuck
[16:51] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: use ubuntu jeos
[16:52] <Ahmuck> it's written for vm
[16:52] <Ahmuck> i'm trying to use it on a regular machine because of it's small footprint, but may have to give it up
[16:53] <Ahmuck> or switch out the kernel for a virtual kernel
[16:57] <Ahmuck> linux-image-2.6.22-14-virutal
[16:59] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: r u using jeos?
[16:59] <pteague_work> just googled it... i think i'll grab it
[17:00] <Shadowhand> hooray for samba.org being 503'd
[17:00] <Shadowhand> !
[17:05] <pteague_work> Ahmuck> suggested ram for jeos? will be running apache, mysql, php at the least
[17:07] <CarlFK> pteague_work: I did all that on a 32mb box back in the 486 days :)
[17:08] <Shadowhand> blah
[17:08] <Shadowhand> is aptitude the only way to search for packages?
[17:08] <Shadowhand> no apt-get search?
[17:09] <CarlFK> apt-cache search
[17:09] <Shadowhand> fscking awesome
[17:09] <Shadowhand> thanks
[17:09] <pteague_work> yeah... i guess part of it is looking at this beast of crappy code...  i'm not even thinking of optimizing code at this point... all i want to do is normalize & standardize... this is some of the worst spaghetti code i've seen
[17:09]  * Shadowhand *hates* aptitude
[17:10] <pteague_work> 1 directory has over 10k php files in it... that doesn't include any images, txt, etc files... just the php files
[17:10] <Shadowhand> lovely
[17:10] <pteague_work> & about 99% of those are 1 liners... they basically set a variable or 2 & then include another file
[17:11] <pteague_work> 1 of the other directories in backup had over 20k php files... currently under public_html it's a bit more manageable at 10k again
[17:12] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: i have jeos running on a vm with 64mb ram
[17:13] <Ahmuck> now, i don't know about apache, etc.  i installed xserver-xorg and e17 on top of it
[17:13] <Ahmuck> i can only get this to run in a vm
[17:14] <Ahmuck> :-(.  can't get it to run a a real machine
[17:14] <sommer> Ahmuck: I thing you're always going to be disappointed trying to run JeOS on real hardware.
[17:15] <sommer> Ahmuck: the goal of JeOS is to only include the necessary drivers for a VM
[17:15] <sommer> so if your hardware doesn't match those of the vm... it's bad news
[17:16] <sommer> the server edition is quite light weight and has a plethora of drivers... I'd suggest using that
[17:18] <CarlFK> oh!
[17:18] <CarlFK> I thought jeOS was for hosting VMs
[17:19] <CarlFK> no need to splian... now i get it
[17:19] <Ahmuck> ah, that is my problem then
[17:19] <Ahmuck> it works except, the nic does not work
[17:19] <Ahmuck> so i would need to load a driver for the nic
[17:19] <sommer> CarlFK: according to this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
[17:20] <sommer> it needs VMWare, Qemu, etc to run.
[17:20] <Ahmuck> is this because ubuntu server does not have support for vm and that is why ubuntu server would always give me an error - this os is to old for this machine?
[17:20] <CarlFK> I think I read it as  "only contains the base elements needed to run a virtualized environment."
[17:20] <sommer> Ahmuck: correct, and possibly the video, sound, etc
[17:21] <CarlFK> um, os is to old ?
[17:22] <Ahmuck> yes, i could never get ubuntu server to boot up after installation on a vm.  something to do with some processor thingy.  let me search
[17:22] <sommer> Ahmuck: you're probably getting that because the Server Edition is optimized for i686 while the desktop has i586 and i686
[17:22] <Ahmuck> but ubuntu jeos did it just fine.  i was using virtual box
[17:22] <pteague_work> should i be setting the hard drive in the vm to be static or expandable?  afaik my real disk is ext3
[17:23] <CarlFK> u-s should run in any VM, jeos will just be better
[17:24] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: i use expandable
[17:24] <pteague_work> hmm...  my jeos download passed the md5sum, but checking the iso image when booting the vm off the iso image comes back as integrity test failed
[17:25] <Ahmuck> ah, now i remember, it has something to do with PAE, and ubuntu server refused to boot after installation on virtual box
[17:26] <Ahmuck> "PANIC: CPU too old for this kernel."
[17:27] <Ahmuck> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/212
[17:27] <Ahmuck> iirc it was not limited to virtual box, but there were some others as well
[17:29] <CarlFK> installing yesterday's hardy u-s, (on real box) no disk detected?
[17:34] <pteague_work> hmm... jeos - your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol.  Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly... ?
[17:35] <emo_ninja> hi, anyone know of an apache 1.3 repo for gutsy?
[17:36] <pteague_work> argh, don't tell me apache 1.3 isn't in gutsy ?
[17:37] <emo_ninja> that is correct
[17:37] <emo_ninja> phased out for apache 2
[17:37] <Ahmuck> should be in backports ?
[17:37] <pteague_work> dang... then i need your question answered as well =)
[17:37] <emo_ninja> which is fine, but there are still certain mod perl things that I'm not comfortable moving to 2
[17:38] <emo_ninja> I don't believe it is Ahmuck
[17:38] <pteague_work> that means i need to go check & see if php4 & mysql4 are in there as well
[17:38] <emo_ninja> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-backports/web/
[17:39] <pteague_work> crap...
[17:39]  * pteague_work kills vm installs...
[17:44] <emo_ninja> hrm.. I just find it so odd that no one else seems to want apache 1.3
[17:44] <emo_ninja> ah well, from source it is
[17:55] <pteague_work> i don't really want apache 1.3, but i'm trying to build a test server that duplicates the current server... so if i screw something up i'll know before it goes 'live'
[17:55] <pteague_work> hmm...  feisty has mysql-server-4.1, but it says it's a transitional package... i'm guessing that means it installs mysql-server-5... ?
[17:57] <pteague_work> hah, i may have to go install debian..
[18:01] <zul> muhahahaha
[18:02] <zul> chuck@homer:~$ uname -a
[18:02] <zul> Linux homer 2.6.24-rc4-xen #4 SMP Thu Dec 20 10:28:20 EST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:05] <pteague_work> gotta love it.... "the password isn't letting me get into the email account"... um, that account doesn't actually have a mailbox on the server, it's forwarded to a gmail account...
[18:08] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: why not build on apache2.  then convert over?
[18:08] <CarlFK> " that duplicates the current server"
[18:09] <CarlFK> upgrade teh current server!
[18:09] <Ahmuck> yes, but let's assume that heh can run everything he has on apache2.  wouldn't it be best to "move up"
[18:10] <pteague_work> we're putting together a virtual server for all the new stuff... unfortunately i need to make some changes on the current server & the current server is running apache 1.3.37, php 4.4.4, & mysql 4.1.22
[18:10]  * Ahmuck fires up vbox to see
[18:10] <CarlFK> if 1.3 is working fine, best not to mess with it
[18:12] <pteague_work> i need to make changes to the .htaccess file on the current server... i don't want to make modifications to the .htaccess on the live production server & discover it doesn't work...  that's why i'm trying to put a test environment together that matches the current production server...  the new servers we're working on will be apache2 & will have both php4 & php5 on them
[18:16] <Ahmuck> pteague_work: it should work the same on the vm with apache2 as it does on 1.3
[18:16] <Ahmuck> .htacess that is
[18:17] <CarlFK> 'should' :)
[18:17] <pteague_work> i understand that the utilization of .htaccess is the same, but i don't know if apache1.3 will exhibit the same behavior with the particular things i'm wanting to put into the .htaccess file including several php_value directives
[18:17] <Ahmuck> there really isn't much to an .httaccess file
[18:17] <Ahmuck> ah
[18:18] <Ahmuck> so apache 1.3 has been taken from the fiesty repositories?
[18:19] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: guessing it is still in 6.06 lts
[18:20] <Ahmuck> couldn't one change the repositories or add the repositories to the apt file?
[18:20] <Ahmuck> and then get it
[18:23] <pteague_work> Ahmuck> i think apache 1.3 is in feisty, but not the php4 for apache1.3 i think
[18:24] <Ahmuck> i think i would just keep looking at old repositories, and then restrict your repository to that
[18:27] <Ahmuck> so, does anybody know how much lighter jeos is over server edition?  i'm looking for something very lightweight.  4g hard drive, 450mhz proc, and 64mb ram
[18:34] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: no nic?
[18:35] <Ahmuck> CarlFK: ?
[18:35] <CarlFK> i am guesing that is a likely problem trying to use jeos on real HW
[18:36] <Ahmuck> ah, yes.  no drivers loaded
[18:36] <Ahmuck> so as a result it does not load 3c905x drivers
[18:36] <Ahmuck> :-(
[18:36] <CarlFK> server will run fine on 64mb
[18:36] <Ahmuck> which mean i would have to manually install them
[18:36] <CarlFK> server + apache + mysql...
[18:36]  * Ahmuck is trying to do server/xserver-xorg/e17
[18:36] <CarlFK> X?
[18:37] <pteague_work> maybe i'm doing something wrong with the network setup... how should i be setting up the network under vmware?
[18:37] <nealmcb> !jeos
[18:37] <ubotu> JeOS (pronounced "Juice") is Just enough Operating System.  It is an efficient variant of the Ubuntu Server operating system, configured specifically for virtual appliances. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos for more information.
[18:38] <nealmcb> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOS
[18:38] <nealmcb> pteague_work: that last one is a tutorial
[18:39] <Ahmuck> CarlFK: yes, i need a small footprint
[18:39] <Ahmuck> CarlFK: so i can cram OO.o, scribus, gramps on oit
[18:39] <nealmcb> but it would seem like a real pain to try to get the jeos iso booting on physical hardware - it is designed for use in a vm
[18:40] <CarlFK> http://xubuntu.com
[18:43] <Ahmuck> nealmcb: yes, i've decided to try ubuntu server.  i could not get it to install initially because my bios was to old
[18:44] <Ahmuck> so i updated my bios and then tried ubuntu jeos, but i would have liked jeos to install.  just enough os to run
[18:44] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: once you get it running, you will have u-server
[18:44] <Ahmuck> i've used xubuntu, but in testing, e17 or elbunut works better then xubuntu
[18:44] <Ahmuck> and having used it, i like e17
[18:44] <Ahmuck> a u-server?
[18:45] <CarlFK> u=ubuntu
[18:45] <Ahmuck> ah, so what is the difference in ubuntu server and ubunter jeos?  i was under the impression that ubuntu server had a larger footprint once installed
[18:45]  * Ahmuck should do two vm installs and compare disk size
[18:46] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: it does.  but you are going to add to jeus and end up with a similar
[18:47] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: have you installed -server and whatever you need on the 64mb box?
[18:47] <Ahmuck> working on that now
[18:52] <Ahmuck> i bought the boxes for 1.00  i initially thought i would use ltsp server in conjuction with kubuntu.  however the ltsp server setup is not as polished or i was not finding the right programs so i opted for an easier way out.  unfortunately i've been researching the jeos driver thingy for two days and have fallen back to ubuntu server agian
[18:55] <CarlFK> fortunately
[18:55] <CarlFK> jeus is not the os you are looking for.,.
[18:56] <Ahmuck> ?
[18:56] <CarlFK> probably worth looking into spending a few more $ to get 128m in them
[18:57] <Ahmuck> na, they would work great on ltsp server
[18:57] <CarlFK> well then do that...
[18:57] <Ahmuck> but i blew the psu in the box i was going to use for the ltsp server
[19:00] <nealmcb> Ahmuck: the larger footprint in u-s is there to deal with the driver issues you need to deal with for real hardware.  you can always remove the stuff you don't want after install, or build your own kernel if you are so inclined for maximum speed.
[19:19] <pteague_work> dang... i'm not sure the 8gb for the vm is going to be enough...
[19:23] <CarlFK> pteague_work: what kinda system you trying to run?
[19:23] <pteague_work> the public_html directory on the current system is about 7.8g
[19:24] <CarlFK> oh.. I thought you meant ram
[19:24] <CarlFK> create another 'disk'
[19:24] <pteague_work> granted, some of that is extra crap, like roundcube for webmail & such so i can probably cut it down, but that still doesn't account for the mysql db...
[19:24] <CarlFK> what VM are you using?
[19:24] <pteague_work> the free vmware server
[19:24] <Ahmuck> there is ubuntu server, and on the alternate, ubuntu command line system, ubuntu oem ... are the installations on the alternate smaller?
[19:26] <CarlFK> pteague_work: iv been using qemu, but I think the syntax is similar: qemu -hda a.img -hdb b.img
[19:26] <CarlFK> them mount hdb1 under /home
[19:26] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: smaller or not, you should try them
[19:27] <pteague_work> is there a small install for edgy?
[19:27] <CarlFK> yes.  u-server
[19:27] <zul> whats the launchpad url for jeos again?
[19:29] <macd> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-jeos/
[19:29] <Ahmuck> ok, i have a question.  i just installed ubuntu-server on that machine, and lspci, it shows the ethernet card, but ifconfig does not show eth0
[19:29] <macd> I
[19:29] <Ahmuck> so i am right back where i started
[19:30] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: what card?
[19:30] <macd> I'd like to see something similar to jeos, but for the VM base, like xenutils+kernel+binutils
[19:30] <CarlFK> macd: is base host or guest ?
[19:30] <Ahmuck> 3c905B [cyclone] rev30
[19:30] <macd> host
[19:31] <macd> Ahmuck, you use something like 'tree /dev/sys' to see what devices are what
[19:31] <Ahmuck> maybee it's a bad nic
[19:31] <pteague_work> suggestions for a fast mirror in north america?
[19:31] <macd> Ahmuck, its very possible its eth1 or 2, but if its a single nic, it _should_ be eth0
[19:32] <macd> Ahmuck, also, does 'lsmod' show the 3c905 module?
[19:32] <macd> pteague_work, the osuosl mirror typically gets me over 1000K
[19:32] <CarlFK> macd: whats wrong with u-server ?
[19:32] <macd> CarlFK, I think its basic footprint is still a bit bloated
[19:33] <Ahmuck> yes, ok i am going to ask a really dumb question.  do i need a cable plugged in for eth0 to show up?  i thought i only need the card in the machine
[19:33] <Ahmuck> the module is there, yes
[19:33] <macd> CarlFK, I usually just debootstrap a base using ubuntu, and its ~120mb with no bloat ;)
[19:33] <macd> Ahmuck, no, but the card won't :come up" either
[19:34] <Ahmuck> macd: debootstrap a base?
[19:34] <CarlFK> macd: that dosn't mean there is anything wrong with anything else
[19:34] <macd> CarlFK, not at all, I never said anything was wrong, I just see the need for another option
[19:35] <CarlFK> you and Ahmuck should work on it :)
[19:35]  * macd adds it to the list of things that won't get done ;)
[19:36] <macd> I've done it privately, but as far as community goes there so much red tape in the community
[19:36] <macd> just getting the rails stack spec visible was a chore and a half
[19:37] <pteague_work> hmm... osuosl doesn't have edgy, has dapper & feisty :(
[19:37] <Ahmuck> brb
[19:37] <macd> pteague_work, its a mirror, it should have it _all_
[19:37] <pteague_work> 6.06, 6.06.1, 7.04, 7.10
[19:38] <pteague_work> dapper, edubuntu, feisty, gutsy, kubuntu... then again i don't think edgy was a long term
[19:39] <macd> nor are 704 and 710
[19:39] <pteague_work> yeah, 6.06 is LTS to 2011, 6.10 isn't
[19:39] <pteague_work> guess i pull dapper & see if i can upgrade to edgy...  probably wouldn't matter much & would probably be better to stay with dapper anyways...
[19:40]  * macd agrees with using dapper in critical places
[19:40] <Ahmuck> ping
[19:42] <pteague_work> not really 'critical'... setting up a test server as close to production as i can (using ubuntu/debian instead of centos) so i can test some changes to the .htaccess file... have to have apache1.3 & php4
[19:44] <pteague_work> hopefully by end of month we'll be rid of the current servers & on the new virtual servers... hopefully we can go with apache2 & php4 with those
[19:45] <avatar_> stil php4?
[19:45] <pteague_work> i can't get this code to work under php5 & i'm surprised it's even working on php4
[19:45] <pteague_work> $session[username] ...
[19:45] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: I just put a 3c905 in a u-server box, and ... it didn't work?!
[19:46] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: but.. I do see something with ifconfig -a (eth2, but I think it is an isa nic.  taking that out now)
[19:46] <pteague_work> avatar_> heh, it looks like php3 tutorials slapped together
[19:47] <macd> pteague_work, keep in mind dapper doesnt have apache2 in the repos for it
[19:48] <CarlFK> er.  it was an isa sound/modem ... so the only nic got assigned eth2.  I thought this was a clien install, but it may be left over from some nutty wifi router I was trying to build
[19:49] <pteague_work> yeah... for the new stuff i think we're going to use quickbooks enterprise to deal with inventory & build off of there with php5... i'm hoping quickbooks will use mysql or postgresql
[19:49] <macd> pteague_work, it uses odbc, so your good there
[19:50] <macd> at least the newer version that is based on .net2
[19:50] <pteague_work> .net2 ?  i was looking at the linux server version
[19:51] <macd> ohh, I didnt even know there was one, I just assumed you were running it on windows-server and wanted to use a linux db box for a backend
[19:51] <pteague_work> i'm not sure what version tho...
[19:51] <pteague_work> this is first pdf (converted to html) that i've seen on google for it - http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:sEXocjJV6cIJ:http-download.intuit.com/http.intuit/CMO/qbes/resources/pdfs/LinuxInstallGuide.pdf+quickbooks+enterprise+database&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
[19:52] <pteague_work> upgrading from linux database server manager release 7.0... so guessing it's 8.0 ?
[19:52] <macd> yeah I was just on their site
[19:52] <macd> http://quickbooksenterprise.intuit.com/features/new_version.jhtml
[19:53] <macd> They show a linux db backend, but a windows client
[19:53] <pteague_work> yeah, that's fine... all the workstations in the warehouse currently have vista (ugh)...
[19:54] <pteague_work> recommended ram - as much as possible
[19:55] <pteague_work> only tested on open suse enterprise server 10.2 & fedora 6...
[19:58] <pteague_work> hmm... looks like we may have to have this as a local machine & have it connect remotely to the webserver/database
[20:25] <pteague_work> anybody have any ideas as to why a barcode in a pdf wouldn't be printing along with the rest of the pdf?  we've been having issues with the USPS click-n-ship pdfs
[20:26] <Ahmuck> found my problem - bad nic
[20:26] <Ahmuck> changed the nic, and now i have eth0
[20:33] <nealmcb> Ahmuck: cool!
[20:38] <CarlFK> pteague_work: i mess with barcodes and pdfs - is it something you could give me?
[20:39] <CarlFK> not sure I have any advice, but im curious
[20:41] <CarlFK> anyone have todays http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/hardy-server-i386.iso
[20:42] <CarlFK> I am wondering if the installer uses the same kernel as the alt cd
[20:46] <pteague_work> CarlFK> hmm... not sure
[20:48] <pteague_work> CarlFK> sure, /msg me your email address
[20:49] <pteague_work> or hmm...  at 153.4 kb i guess it's small enough to try to send via irc if you want?
[20:50] <CarlFK> dcc hardly works for me, but give it a shot
[20:53] <CarlFK> "receiving... 0%...."
[20:53] <pteague_work> yep, sent via email then
[20:53] <CarlFK> groovy.
[21:28] <sommer> here's a pickle I changed the hostname on my machine reboot and forgot to change /etc/hosts
[21:28] <sommer> now sudo says  unable to resolve host
[21:28] <sommer> is there a way to edit /etc/hosts without using a recovery cd?
[21:39] <sommer> meh nm... just needed to repeat the command 3 times before it worked
[22:03] <Ahmuck> hi again, up and running on that low end system
[22:03] <Ahmuck> macd: u said you were boot straping?
[22:07] <CarlFK> Ahmuck: you looking for automated install?
[22:07] <Ahmuck> well, not really if i had instructions.  i could not help but see that he was doing a low mb install
[22:08] <Ahmuck> so i was hoping that with some work in a vm i could get the install down really small
[22:10] <CarlFK> what good would the VM do?
[22:10] <nealmcb> sommer: that's the second time i've heard of a sudo / hosts issue - is this some nasty pam interaction or what??  scary!
[22:16] <Ahmuck> CarlFK: a vm would allow me to do multiple aptitude install/remove until i found the right configuration for a very small install
[22:16] <Ahmuck> macd: i would be interested in knowing how you did you bootstrap of ubuntu-server, and/or docs on the web you found.  i would like to try this
[22:17] <osmosis> where can I download feisty server 386 iso ?
[22:17]  * Ahmuck thinks there needs to be a ubuntu-base
[22:39] <kgoetz> lamont: thank you. i assume the '-' in front of the log name means 'dont put this in here'?
[22:40]  * Ahmuck needs to find a wya to strip down ubuntu, then xserver-xorg install
[22:40] <kgoetz> Ahmuck: has ubuntu-base disapeared?
[22:41] <kgoetz> and to strip it down, i recomend debfoster
[22:43] <kgoetz> lamont: sweet. thats got it. thanks :)
[22:53] <sommer> nealmcb: I think it may have something to do with the !fqdn option in /etc/sudoers... I could very well be wrong though
[23:32] <Ahmuck> i think there was a server type of install that allowed you to "choose" what type of server.  i remember using that install, but i can't seem to locate it now
[23:39] <lamont> kgoetz: the - in front of the log name says don't sync the log to disk every write.
[23:39] <lamont> see 'man syslog.conf'
[23:40] <kgoetz> just seeing it atm
[23:42] <kgoetz> ask i understand it, i have to createa a local* facility logging to a file, then point bind to use that instead of <its default>


[13:45] <rharper> smoser: https://launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+archive/ubuntu/daily/+packages  is this the daily ppa?  last publish was 8/18 -- was that the git switch over?
[13:47] <smoser> :-(
[13:47] <smoser> it has definitely built since git. i'll look.
[13:47] <smoser> :-(
[13:48] <rharper> I was going to get an updated core snap that points to cloud-init daily PPA and have it build core snap daily against that so we always have a fresh core.snap
[13:49] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+recipe/cloud-init-daily
[13:50] <smoser> it sucks... that contents sometimes gets changed like randomly
[13:50] <smoser> 'bzr-builder' i think is what is killing it
[13:50] <smoser> there are no changes to bzr 'lp:cloud-init'
[13:50] <smoser> will look at what its supposed to have
[13:51] <rharper> huh
[13:54] <smoser> yeah, i'm not making it up. just now changed it to http://paste.ubuntu.com/23379003/
[13:54] <smoser> click the green thing and it goes to bzr-builder
[13:55] <smoser> i'm going to delete it and hope recreating makes better
[13:55] <rharper> whoa
[13:55] <smoser> thought i'd seen a bug at some point
[13:56] <rharper> we should get powersj to have a jenkins job to boot lxc container, add this ppa and install it
[13:56]  * powersj likes that idea
[13:56] <jgrimm> powersj, good morning!
[13:56] <powersj> Can do something similar to my daily ISO test and compare when a new one comes out too
[13:56] <powersj> morning :)
[13:57] <smoser> well, *not* boot an lxc container and install the thing
[13:57] <smoser> thats absically the first proof of integration test
[13:57] <smoser> wgrant in launchpad pointed me at https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1623924 with work around . so looking.
[13:58] <powersj> right, so we could have a daily integration test based on the daily ppa to run a subset of tests.
[14:02] <smoser> alright. building now.
[14:02] <smoser> rharper, thanks for noticing.
[14:06] <rharper> np
[15:20] <NerdyBiker> Hey all, does anyone know of any issues using Cloud-init chef function on a HVM type instance in AWS? As soon as we use a HVM instance, we get "Running chef (<module 'cloudinit.config.cc_chef' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/cloudinit/config/cc_chef.pyc'>) failed" in the logs
[15:20] <smoser> NerdyBiker, more info ?
[15:20] <smoser> it works on non-hvm ?
[15:21] <NerdyBiker> yup works on PV types
[15:21] <smoser> distro ? cloud-init version ?
[15:21] <smoser> that is really odd
[15:21] <NerdyBiker> Oh sorry :D CentOS 6.5
[15:21] <smoser> can you paste the cloud-init.log ?
[15:21] <NerdyBiker> version 0.7.5 cloud-init
[15:21] <smoser> or at least the stack trace
[15:22] <NerdyBiker> Perferred method of pasting?
[15:23] <smoser> pastebin other than pastebin.com :)
[15:23] <NerdyBiker> http://pastebin.com/kGLPkXZf
[15:23] <smoser> that was just rude :)
[15:23] <NerdyBiker> damn
[15:24] <NerdyBiker> haha!
[15:24] <NerdyBiker> terrible timing
[15:24] <smoser> thats fine.
[15:24] <smoser> its just ad-everywhere
[15:24] <smoser> /var/lib/cloud/instance/scripts/runcmd: line 3: chef-client: command not found
[15:24] <smoser> well that'd be it.
[15:25] <smoser> i guess your ami that yul're running for vhm does not have that package installed and the pvm does
[15:25] <NerdyBiker> the user data is set to install chef
[15:25] <smoser> user-data runs after package install
[15:26] <smoser> but cc_chef.py might install it.
[15:26] <smoser> looking
[15:27] <smoser> hm..
[15:27] <NerdyBiker> https://gist.github.com/MattDevUK/064ece1a309616176695b9b67a866aa6
[15:27] <smoser> actually, its your runcmd that is failing.
[15:27] <NerdyBiker> thats the user data we pass in
[15:27] <smoser> you have /var/log/cloud-init-output.log ?
[15:27] <NerdyBiker> that was the first pass
[15:27] <NerdyBiker> paste*
[15:28] <smoser> oh. yeah.
[15:28] <smoser> do you ahve a /var/log/cloud-init.log ?
[15:28] <NerdyBiker> in every other image we've used it on, this installs chef automatically using the params set in the chef block, then runs chef-client.
[15:28] <smoser> that one will have the stack trace and generally more info
[15:28] <NerdyBiker> sure :D
[15:29] <NerdyBiker> it's empty :(
[15:34] <NerdyBiker> any log levels we can change to try and get any content?
[15:37] <smoser> NerdyBiker, its a bug in c loud-init that leaves it empty.
[15:37] <smoser> can you get into that instance ?
[15:37] <NerdyBiker> yup, I'm on it
[15:37] <smoser> vi /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/05*
[15:37] <smoser> the logging file
[15:37] <smoser> comment out
[15:37] <smoser>
[15:37] <smoser>  - [ *log_base, *log_syslog ]
[15:37] <smoser> then reboot
[15:38] <smoser> maybe rm -Rf /var/lib/cloud /var/log/cloud*
[15:38] <smoser> and reboot
[15:38] <smoser> that should make it think its a first instance
[15:38] <NerdyBiker> ok so just leave &log_file in there?
[15:39] <NerdyBiker> ooo
[15:39] <NerdyBiker> no i see it now :D
[15:40] <NerdyBiker> booting now
[15:43] <NerdyBiker> so... it apparently worked that time
[15:43] <smoser> hm..
[15:43] <smoser> maybe the omnibus installer is doing something int he background ?
[15:43] <smoser> and we're just racing it
[15:46] <NerdyBiker> the output after the reboot; https://gist.github.com/MattDevUK/9ad23f20e3570e82a1b2912e21d57ef0
[15:46] <NerdyBiker> you can see where the "running chef failed" line was previously, now says installing Chef
[15:48] <NerdyBiker> on a positive note, that's the first time we've managed to get that to happen on a HVM image, out of the 10 or so we've tried.
[15:49] <smoser> follow bill's advice.
[15:49] <smoser> reboot!
[15:49] <smoser> and reinstall
[15:54] <NerdyBiker> so uninstallec chef, remvoed cloud files, rebooted and success again. wonder if it's timing when starting a fresh instance
[16:01] <NerdyBiker> @smoser just launched 2 fresh instances, both of them failed the cc_chef part on first run.
[16:03] <smoser> first boot io is very slow
[16:03] <smoser> but if the omnibus installer is backgrounding... thats a pita
[16:03] <smoser> and it should not do that
[16:04] <NerdyBiker> hm, just tried a basic restart, and it failed again
[16:08] <NerdyBiker> seems to be somehting timing related. cleared the /var/lib/cloud, rebooted and it worked. :(
[16:08] <NerdyBiker> damn that sucks
[16:15] <NerdyBiker> I'll tets out some other scenarios and see what comes up
[16:16] <NerdyBiker> test*
[16:30] <NerdyBiker> @smoser so just got the logging change into a base AMI, started an instance and it failed, this is in the cloud-init.log; https://gist.github.com/MattDevUK/9f58b9716a6914406536839a77cadcf0
[16:31] <smoser> hm..
[16:32] <NerdyBiker> there is also a stack for the cc_locale run, but don't think that impacts the chef issue as that fails een when chef succeeds
[16:32] <NerdyBiker> even*
[16:33] <smoser> right.
[16:44] <NerdyBiker> is there any more info I can give? Is this a valid problem?
[18:27] <smoser> NerdyBiker, i think probably valid
[18:27] <smoser> it seems likely to me to be related to omnibus
[18:28] <smoser> woudl be nice to try with newer cloud-init.
[20:34] <smoser> magicalChicken, https://code.launchpad.net/~wesley-wiedenmeier/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/306731 fails rebase for me
[22:19] <magicalChicken> smoser: I'll look into it, I hadn't noticed issues before


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