[14:27] <Volans> Hi all :)
[14:28] <mase_slapt> hey Volans
[14:29] <Volans> Hi mase_slapt, how are you?
[14:32] <Volans> Hi newz2000
[14:33] <mase_slapt> Volans: yeh not too bad. Yourself ?
[14:33] <Volans> good weekend, thanks
[15:39] <newz2000> Volans: I will check out that linked cse, it very well could be an excellent choice
[15:40] <Volans> yeah!
[15:40] <Volans> we can use the iframe method to have the google ads, or the google hosted page results
[15:54] <Volans> ah newz2000 yesterday there was a guy ( alefteris ) that asked for the resolution of a couple of bugs related to the community forums page, I have inserted all the related bugs in a comment to the last one reported yesterday, bug 252369
[15:54] <ubot3> Malone bug 252369 in ubuntu-website "Community web forums page should include Hebrew forums" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/252369
[15:55] <newz2000> Volans: oh, thank you so much
[15:55] <newz2000> gathering all those into one place will be a big help
[15:55] <newz2000> I will see if I can resolve that here in a couple min
[15:58] <Volans> if you don't have already see it I have sent you in query a cople of example links of the google cse
[15:58] <newz2000> yes, I glanced at that
[15:58] <newz2000> I noticed there were no ads there, is that on purpose or is google not finding relevant ads?
[15:59] <Volans> for the first there ins't because is the ajax method, for the second they are, just search something more "ads-oriented" ;)
[15:59] <Volans> s/isn't/aren't/
[15:59] <Volans> is the google hosted page
[15:59] <Volans> not the iframe method
[15:59] <newz2000> gotcha
[22:40] <ryanakca> newz2000: does the Ubuntu start page use a CMS?
[22:40] <newz2000> no
[22:41] <ryanakca> okies, should we bother trying to use Drupal? My guess would be not worth it...
[22:41] <newz2000> probably shouldn't because of potential load problems
[22:41] <newz2000> and little benefit to doing so
[22:42] <ryanakca> thanks, and the feature tour?
[22:42] <newz2000> it has been static html in the past but its not necessary to do that - it could be drupal based if that helps


[00:41] <infinity> rbelem: Cheers.
[09:15] <lollisoft> Hi, did anyone know if I can avoid using a preprocessor command in a typical make & configure & make install build? I am trying to compile unixODBC, but it may be a general question of posibility.
[09:36] <sladen> lollisoft: start with  sudo apt-get build-dep unixodbc-bin ; apt-get source unixodbc-bin   if you need to rebuild the package
[09:36] <sladen> lollisoft: but ideally, work out what you need that is not already in the pre-packaged .deb and try and get it fixed for everyone at the same time
[09:42] <lollisoft> I think the issue is not known in the Linux world, as I try to build a multi architecture binary on Mac. I thought there is any way to skip intermediate preprocessor steps as these will produce asm code that is not possible when one arch is i386 and the other is ppc. I have got another hint to use two distinct builds and then use lipo. RTFM :-)
[09:49] <vibhav> !language > lollisoft
[09:50] <ion> vibhav: …seriously?
[09:50] <micahg> yeah, it was totally abbroviated
[09:50] <micahg> *abbreviated even
[09:50] <ion> F!
[09:50] <ion> F! F! F!
[09:51] <micahg> and we can pretend it means Fplease just like in JFDI :)
[09:53] <vibhav> ion: yup
[09:53] <micahg> we even have a package with that in the archive
[09:53] <micahg> !info rt3.8rtfm
[09:53] <micahg> !info rt3.8-rtfm
[09:53] <vibhav> ...
[09:54] <vibhav> But thats still not family friendly
[09:55] <micahg> there's nothing explicit in that description
[09:55] <ion> vibhav: Please don’t use the bad letter in “*amily *riendly”.
[09:56] <elky> vibhav, the f in rtfm can mean several things. this isn't a support channel, so the main reason we ask people to refrain from 'rtfm' isn't quite relevant here.
[10:04] <m4n1sh> Ampelbein: ping
[10:08] <lollisoft> Yey - by
[12:39] <vibhav> jamespage: You ther?
[16:07] <penguin42> what's the 'mdp' block device (254) - not listed in the upstream kernel device list
[17:59] <shadeslayer> skaet_: do you have a moment?
[18:01] <ScottK> lifeless: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/BuildScores needs updating for the build prioritization changes cjwatson recently landed, but I don't seem to have access to edit it.
[18:46] <tumbleweed> Laney: are you waiting for broder to review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-dev-tools/debuild-no-debemail-1007042/+merge/110189 ?
[18:47] <broder> oh, am i supposed to be reviewing it?
[18:47] <tumbleweed> he flagged you as a reviewer
[18:48] <lifeless> ScottK: ~launchpad-doc gates that, care to join ?
[18:48] <Laney> only because it was backportpackage
[18:48] <Laney> anyone can review it
[18:48] <tumbleweed> in that case, landing it
[18:49] <broder> reviewed
[18:49] <broder> fwiw
[18:49] <Laney> ta
[18:50] <Laney> wait
[18:50] <Laney> doesn't it need to check that DEBEMAIL is in env?
[18:50] <tumbleweed> err, yes
[18:51]  * tumbleweed does that because I just committed it
[18:51] <Laney> teehee
[18:51] <ScottK> lifeless: Not really.  This is the first time I've ever felt the need, so it's not a common need.
[18:52] <lifeless> ok, so, I odn't know the details of the changes, could you at least file a ticket on answers.l.n/launchpad, for the maintenance squad to pickup and apply?
[19:43] <hyperair> could a unity user run "notify-send --hint=int:transient:1 foo" and tell me if there's anything different from a normal notification "notify-send foo"?
[19:46] <ion> Doesn’t seem to be.
[19:47] <hyperair> okay, thanks
[19:47] <hyperair> that means i can safely set the hint for gnome-shell and not worry about it affecting unity.
[22:22] <SpamapS> bkerensa: re ceph and leveldb.. I wouldn't worry too much about that
[22:22] <SpamapS> bkerensa: what specifically are you not sure of tho?


 It is just an office with windows networking ( for files and printers sharing) and a web server where I'm planning to install the nagios. what do you think?
[00:17] <faulkes-> you'll see more network congestion from windows constantly spamming to the broadcast address than nagios will create
[00:18] <faulkes-> in short, you won't notice it
[00:20] <rhineheart_m> mmmm...are you using nagios?
[00:24] <faulkes-> yes
[00:24] <faulkes-> although I just recently inherited this installation of it
[00:25] <faulkes-> however, you just aren't going to notice it, not network-wise
[00:25] <faulkes-> well, you will notice it, if you tell it to send you emails when a problem exists ;)
[00:27] <rhineheart_m> you mean.. you can recommend it than phpsysinfo?
[00:28] <faulkes-> thats subjective, it all depends on your needs and how concerned you are or may be about security or any of a dozen different factors
[00:28] <faulkes-> from what we know, you have a small business network you want to monitor
[00:29] <faulkes-> basicly anything will do at that level
[00:30] <faulkes-> if you dont like one, you can always use the other
[00:30] <faulkes-> it's not like you are going to be super glueing it to the cpu ;)
[00:31] <rhineheart_m> okay. I've read your post talking about windows constantly spamming to the broadcast address? what do you mean with it? thanks..
[00:32] <faulkes-> the smb protocol, to find stuff on the network, uses the network broadcast address
[00:34] <rhineheart_m> okay.. you're taking about samba right? please explain it to me.. I can't understand what are you talking about with "windows constantly spamming to the broadcast address"
[00:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, before you started asking in #ubuntu-* channels, have you ever administered anything before?
[00:49] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you mean..administered before? Like Samba? or phpsysinfo? I tried both already but found out that Samba eats most of my network resources...
[00:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, no, i mean like been in charge of running a server
[00:50] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah. I have a web server up and running and it is ubuntu gutsy no GUI
[00:50] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: why?
[00:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, i'm asking before you setup the ubuntu box
[00:52] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: Are you asking if I tried any server other than ubuntu?
[00:53] <nijaba> faulkes-: I have put on the server-survey wiki page a few suggestions for shortening survey.
[00:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> rhineheart_m, not exactly, no
[00:54] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: please make it clear..I can
[00:55] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: I can't really get what you meant.. sorry..
[00:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know how much clearer i can make it. Have you ever  been in charge of running a server ?
[00:57] <rhineheart_m> nope. This is my first time to run a server..almost 2 months old..why?
[00:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> because you understand none of the concepts behind running a server (even server/client relationship), so i wondered
[00:59] <rhineheart_m> okay.. I admit that.. in that area maybe... so that's why I'm asking some of them here..
[01:01] <rhineheart_m> Kamping_Kaiser: I have something to ask you.. hope you could shed light on this issue..
[01:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> !private message | rhineheart_m
[01:02] <ubotu> rhineheart_m: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[01:50] <scoundrel> hello
[01:51] <scoundrel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/199708 - guys, please, anyone have an idea about this?
[01:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199708 in linux-source-2.6.22 "OOM killer kills all processes on an "empty" server" [Undecided,New]
[03:08] <sommer> scoundrel: do you have an issue with nagios?
[03:08] <sommer> seems like it's killing that process a lot
[03:08] <scoundrel> this is only one of the processes.
[03:09] <scoundrel> Anyways, one process (nagios) just can't cause OOM in 32bit system
[03:09] <scoundrel> with 16gb ram
[03:09] <scoundrel> and this happens on 7 different servers with different sotware
[03:09] <sommer> can you just disable oom?
[03:09]  * sommer not very familiar with oom
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> 32 bit with 16gig of ram? is that a hacked kernel?
[03:13] <scoundrel> hacked?
[03:13] <scoundrel> PAE
[03:14] <scoundrel> OOM - how can I disable it? It is one of kerne's basic features.
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hacked - not stock
[03:17] <sommer> scoundrel: have you seen this article: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/11/30/linux-out-of-memory.html
[03:18] <sommer> there are some ways to manage oom towards the end
[03:18] <scoundrel> it is ubuntu kernel.
[03:18] <scoundrel> ubuntu server official kernel.
[03:18] <faulkes-> "towards the end"
[03:19] <sommer> scoundrel: you might also ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[03:19] <sommer> hey faulkes
[03:20] <faulkes-> that sounds so, final ;)
[03:20]  * scoundrel is going to #ubuntu kernel
[03:20] <sommer> faulkes-: me?
[03:21] <faulkes-> no, sommer's comment
[03:22] <sommer> woops didn't mean for it to be final... just that someone in kernel may no more, heh
[03:25] <faulkes-> well, no, it made it sound like you were easing the kernel's pain towards the OOPS
[03:26] <sommer> I'd like to think that I always ease the pain :-)
[03:26] <sommer> the pain and the tension
[03:29] <mralphabet> I am looking at the meeting notes from earlier this week and there is a comment for "Windows Integration: Dendrobates is waiting for an upstream release", is this referring to likewise-open?
[03:30] <sommer> mralphabet: I believe so
[03:30] <sommer> earlier today he mentioned that a new version of the package is almost ready as well
[03:31] <mralphabet> sommer: thanks for the confirmation
[03:32] <faulkes-> sommer: you're the morphine that keeps the channel alive eh? ;)
[03:33] <sommer> faulkes-: heh... I can't claim the fame
[04:51] <rhineheart_m> hello... can Portsentry be installed remotely? Can't it block the ssh server? thanks..
[08:43] <zero_> good morning
[08:46] <zero_> ssh public key auth - anyone?
[09:05] <jougukny__> oops
[09:10] <XiXaQ> how do I make /tmp use tmpfs?
[10:48] <replicant_> anyone here works with dell PE1950? Do Xeon's Quad-Core support Xen? What about 8Gb Ram...? Will this work with Ubuntu Server to implement Virtualization?
[11:16] <spiekey> Hello
[11:17] <spiekey> i have changed my network cards in my box...now i have eth2 but only one network card installed
[11:17] <spiekey> where does it assign the eth name to the network card again?
[11:20] <nijaba> spiekey: man interfaces should tell you all you need to know
[11:20] <spiekey> was it not /etc/iftab?
[11:22] <nijaba> spiekey: in dapper, yes
[11:22] <spiekey> and in gutsy?
[11:23] <nijaba> spiekey: /etc/nework/ contains all the network related stuff
[11:23] <nijaba> * /etc/network
[11:26] <nijaba> spiekey: oops, sorry, in gutsy iftab was converted to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[11:28] <spiekey> hehe, yep. :)
[11:39] <Nafallo> the last update to ntp... WHY?!
[11:52] <Nafallo> stop restarting my bloody daemons automatically just because I'm in the DC and want to use cross over to grab data.
[11:53] <Nafallo> NOT a reason to restart ntpd and reset the poll intervalls.
[13:35]  * faulkes- yawns
[13:35]  * faulkes- looks at pile of pdf's that need reading
[13:41] <faulkes-> hrmmm, supposed to get 50cm of snow today
[13:44] <MenZa> faulkes-: sweet
[13:45] <MenZa> faulkes-: I wish I was :(
[13:45] <faulkes-> we already broke record snowfall in feb., most since 1956
[13:45] <faulkes-> march is gonna be another record breaker
[14:54] <und3va> could i talk to somebody about an ubuntu server installation?
[14:58] <faulkes-> !ask
[14:58] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[15:00] <und3va> anybody here from whom i can request some help regarding ubuntu server?
[15:00] <faulkes-> !ask
[15:00] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[15:01] <und3va> i've installed ubuntu server, then i'set up my ip address for my internet connection and then for my secondary lan card like this : <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>, then i connected my windows machine to the secondary lan card. but when i try to ping it i get no reply, i've also installed ssh on my server
[15:02] <faulkes-> from side do you try to ping, linux->windows or windows->linux?
[15:02] <und3va> windows - linux
[15:03] <faulkes-> and does the windows machine have a matching ip addr set to the same <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network
[15:03] <und3va> windows has <IP_ADDRESS> ip and <IP_ADDRESS> as gateway
[15:04] <faulkes-> did you install any additional packages, such as firewall'ing we should be aware of?
[15:05] <faulkes-> and how are you connecting the windows/linux box together (via cable? via switch?)
[15:05] <und3va> i've installed  ubuntu server , then php-cli , mcrypt , mc, and ssh
[15:05] <und3va> only lamp and i connect with cable
[15:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> crossover or strait through?
[15:06] <und3va> crossover
[15:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> positive? :)
[15:07] <faulkes-> I would first check cabling
[15:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and make sure you have it in the correft rj45 port
[15:08] <und3va> i'm a newbie in linux and i'm trying to share my internet connection, but it's pretty hard :) the cable is ok, i've tried it before win- win and also now i see that i'm connected on windows
[15:08] <und3va> to linux but i can't ping it.
[15:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> und3va, does `sudo iptables -L` give you any output other then empty chains?
[15:10] <faulkes-> I was just going to suggest doing -F
[15:10] <faulkes-> blow away anything that might be there temporarily
[15:10] <und3va> no only empty stuff
[15:11] <und3va> do i need to add something in hosts?
[15:11] <soulc> where can I get some help with fail2ban I am getting this error message in my logwatch file
[15:11] <faulkes-> win-win is not a garrauntee of win-lin with cabling, depending on the card configurations
[15:11] <soulc> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58881/
[15:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> last minute sugestion - recheck ethernet ports, and try telneting to port 22 on the lin box
[15:11]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes to sleep - night all
[15:12] <soulc> nigth
[15:12] <soulc> er
[15:12] <soulc> night
[15:12] <und3va> it doens't work telneting
[15:14] <faulkes-> soulc: I would hazard a guess it doesn't like the regex, I'm not a f2b expert
[15:14] <faulkes-> und3va: if you cannot telnet on the linux machine to <IP_ADDRESS> 22, then more information is needed
[15:14] <und3va> ok
[15:14] <und3va> tell what to tell you
[15:15] <soulc> ok back to the conf fils
[15:15] <faulkes-> I would past the output of /sbin/ifconfig to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[15:15] <faulkes-> s/past/paste
[15:18] <und3va> et0 is  my internet connection; eth1 is my other card . it has the following configuration : Address
[15:18] <und3va> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <und3va> Network
[15:18] <und3va> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <und3va> Netmask
[15:18] <und3va> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <und3va> Broadcast
[15:18] <und3va> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:18] <Nafallo> ehrm
[15:18] <faulkes-> send the actual output to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[15:19] <Nafallo> there we go! :-)
[15:19] <Nafallo> to quick for me ;-)
[15:19] <faulkes-> was already in my copy bufer ;)
[15:19] <faulkes-> s/bufer/buffer
[15:19] <Nafallo> hehe
[15:20] <und3va> it seems that i can't ping my linux machine.
[15:25] <faulkes-> yes, but we need to see what's happening, which means, config information, and the easiest way to do that is to put it into the web paste url I provided
[15:26] <faulkes-> can you access the internet from the server you setup?
[15:26] <und3va> no
[15:26] <und3va> it doesn't have iternet connection
[15:27] <und3va> i'm on windows machine now
[15:27] <faulkes-> do you have a usb dongle you can put on the server and save output to it?
[15:28] <und3va> i have an usb stick but how can acces it in ubuntu server?
[15:29] <faulkes-> attach it to the server
[15:29] <faulkes-> if it doesn't mount automagically, it can be mounted relatively easily
[15:30] <und3va> where does it get mounted?
[15:31] <und3va> by default?
[15:31] <faulkes-> usually /media/disk iirc
[15:31] <faulkes-> just use a df command and look for that
[15:33] <und3va> just a sec
[15:34] <soulc> so what is failregex?
[15:36] <und3va> i got something la like this [sdb] assuming drive cache
[15:36] <und3va> when i've inserted it
[15:37] <faulkes-> ok
[15:37] <und3va> an then what should i do?
[15:37] <faulkes-> dmesg | grep sdb
[15:37] <faulkes-> look for the partition #
[15:37] <faulkes-> for me, it looks like:
[15:38] <faulkes-> [61135.334159]  sda: sda1
[15:38] <faulkes-> that's when I insert my usb dongle into the server
[15:38] <faulkes-> once you know the partition #, you can "sudo mount /dev/sdb# /mnt"
[15:39] <faulkes-> # being the partition it sees there
[15:39] <und3va> i have 119.772104 sdb: sdb1
[15:39] <faulkes-> so "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[15:39] <faulkes-> "
[15:39] <faulkes-> you can then do commands and echo the output there
[15:39] <faulkes->  /sbin/ifconfig -a >/mnt/ifconfig.txt
[15:40] <faulkes-> dmesg > /mnt/dmesg.txt
[15:40] <faulkes-> netstat -nr >/mnt/routes.txt
[15:41] <und3va> i get permision denied
[15:44] <faulkes-> preface the commands with sudo
[15:45] <und3va> i triedthe same permision denied
[15:48] <faulkes-> sudo umount /mnt ; mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[15:50] <und3va> it works now
[15:54] <und3va> ok
[15:54] <und3va> so now what do i need to do, i copied the files to windows
[15:56] <faulkes-> !paste
[15:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:56] <faulkes-> that ;)
[15:58] <und3va> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58885/
[15:59] <und3va> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58886/
[16:00] <und3va> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58887/
[16:04] <und3va> anything faulkes?
[16:06] <faulkes-> you have to be patient, I'm working on several things currently
[16:06] <und3va> ok
[16:08] <faulkes-> "sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:08] <faulkes-> then try to ping the windows machine ip
[16:12] <und3va> doesn't work
[16:13] <faulkes-> try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:13] <und3va> i get reply
[16:15] <faulkes-> put the usb dongle back on the server (it may have automatically unmounted, check using df, remount per previous if required)
[16:16] <faulkes-> output again of "/sbin/ifconfig -a >/mnt/ifconfig.txt", "netstat -nr >/mnt/routes.txt", "arp -a >/mnt/arp.txt"
[16:17] <faulkes-> make sure the cable is plugged into both machines properly
[16:23] <und3va> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58888/
[16:24] <faulkes-> ok, first issue was eth1 didn't have an ip address
[16:24] <und3va> and from arp i got nothing
[16:24] <faulkes-> now it does
[16:24] <faulkes-> make sure the cable is plugged into the right ethernet card, I know that may sound silly
[16:26] <und3va> ok
[16:26] <henkjan> 16:27 < bitrot> Link change: FastEthernet3/15 (Tendernet Rack) on rbfs1.kelvin.network.bit.nl went DOWN (UP).
[16:28] <und3va> it is
[16:30] <faulkes-> ok, well, eth0 is getting an ip from somewhere, did you manually configure eth0?
[16:31] <und3va> yes
[16:31] <und3va> and it is my internet connection
[16:31] <und3va> and it works
[16:31] <faulkes-> on the server?
[16:31] <und3va> when i plug the cable
[16:31] <faulkes-> ok
[16:32] <faulkes-> well, again, eth1 is up, if it has status led's on the card at the back, I would look at them to make sure it thinks it's connected
[16:32] <und3va> oooo
[16:32] <und3va> it works now
[16:32] <faulkes-> well then, life is good
[16:32] <und3va> :))
[16:32] <faulkes-> however,eth1 does not appear to be configured to start at boot
[16:33] <faulkes-> I would look at /etc/network/interfaces
[16:33] <und3va> ok
[16:34] <und3va> and then?
[16:34] <und3va> set auto?
[16:34] <faulkes-> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58894/
[16:34] <faulkes-> or something like that;)
[16:35] <und3va> :)
[16:35] <und3va> i made it run
[16:35] <und3va> thanks  a lot
[16:35] <faulkes-> np
[17:01] <soulc> yo
[17:02] <soulc> so how do I fix that failregex error in the fail2ban log file
[17:02] <soulc> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58881/
[20:37] <sommer> jdstrand: I noticed that apparmor won't let slapadd -l file.ldif import entries in enforce mode
[20:37] <sommer> jdstrand: any advice?
[20:42] <sommer> jdstrand: ah... I added: /home/sommer/file.ldif r,
[20:43] <sommer> jdstrand: to /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.slapd then reloaded the profile and it worked
[20:44] <sommer> jdstrand: garr... that's kind of a conundrum
[20:47] <sommer> jdstrand: I stumbled on the issue while updating the openldap docs... if need be I can document it to set slapd to complain mode while using slapadd
[22:59] <sarthor> Hi, I am using ubuntu server 7.04, i have 80 Clients on my LAN (UTP cable + Wireless), Can i create user passwords for that users to dial my server? if yes what i will need to install and configure on my server? my clients are using windows xp, 2000 and some Linux also
[22:59] <kraut> what exactly do you want and what do you mean with "to dial my server"?!
[23:01] <sarthor> kraut, I want to my user to athunticate by user name password for accessing internet.
[23:01] <crafton> Hi, I have a VPS hosting and for other band a domain registered on dreamhost, is needed to install a bind server on my vps for make subdomains?
[23:01] <kraut> oh dear
[23:02] <crafton> excuse my ignorance, i'm totally newbie
[23:04] <kraut> crafton: please learn first some domain-basics, before you want to start
[23:08] <crafton> ok. pardon me.
[23:08] <crafton> bye
[23:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, yes you can, if you have the right hardware for it. you'll look at radius for authentication i expect
[23:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, although your second line makes it sound like you want an authenticating proxy, which i expect squid could provide
[23:40] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, I am not much expert, so please can you help more
[23:41] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, No. i dont want to athenticate clints only for squid.
[23:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, if you give us more information perhaps
[23:41] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, same like dsl dialer do, i need that.
[23:43] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, Like after dialing to my server, my server will check the user name and passwd and will assign the ip to that client, and if there is not login, passwd, my client shuld be in dark.
[23:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, tell us about what your trying to setup. where are the clients? internal/external? do you have special hardware? is it a private network? etc
[23:47] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, there in dsl of 4 mega in my home, and i have 1 p4 computer having 2 lan cards. 1 is connected to dsl modem, other to switch, and my clients are connected to that switch, out side of my home, in the near by plazza.
[23:47] <nealmcb> I'm trying to set up ubuntu server gutsy on an old machine with 64 mb, and it worked fine until doing an upgrade, at which point I got an error about running out of space in /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile which is mounted as tmpfs
[23:47] <nealmcb> I'm not having much luck finding out what that is mounted that way and how to disable it.  any tips?
[23:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, so thier connecting to the gateway over an internal network?
[23:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> nealmcb, put more ram in
[23:48] <nealmcb> well I guess it is mounted that way for speed.... but I don't know where it is mounted.  it is put in fstab in /etc/init.d/mtab.sh I guess
[23:49] <nealmcb> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah  - well it's my brother's old machine, and I doubt that would be easy
[23:49] <sarthor> in my server, i am using squid for sharing net, dhcp for assigning ips, and iptables.. masqurading..
[23:49] <sarthor> My linux is working same like a router
[23:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, now look at squid authentication, or perhaps mac address filtering in iptables
[23:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> nealmcb, :( i see
[23:51] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, clients can spoof mac address easily,, so my mac are already binded by dhcp as will as by iptables, and if i am athenticating clients via squid, so there is a lot of data traveling whick the squid do not know about that, like voice cam.
[23:51] <sarthor> etc.
[23:52] <sarthor> and 1 thing more.
[23:52] <sarthor> some my client have virus in there computer, .. some time, the virus assign my server ip forcfully to the client pc,.. so my network stop working.
[23:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres nothing you can do about clients who steal IP addresses, unless you have a proper switch which lets you lock them out
[23:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i'll say again - you may want to look at radius.
[23:56] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, if you want that radius is good in my scenario, so i will like to install that, Can you please give me good link about that ?
[23:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, no i cant especially. its a long time since i've used it. i have to stress though - *read the provided doco*. it *does* help a lot, and it contains links
[23:58] <sarthor> Kamping_Kaiser, Ok, thank you brother, you guided me, let me google . thanks again
[23:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sarthor, good luck with it


[05:31] <lamont> I seem to have lost my window manager with a recent vivid upgrade... is this expected?
[05:39] <darkxst> lamont, you using nvidia blob?
[05:40] <lamont> darkxst: yes
[05:40] <lamont> nvidia-{313,319,331,340}-updates are installed
[05:41] <lamont> darkxst: is it worth testing it without nvidia-updates?
[05:41] <darkxst> lamont, something killed mine today also
[05:42] <darkxst> I upgraded to nvidia-346 from xorg-edgers and it worked again
[05:42]  * lamont gives it a stab
[05:45] <darkxst> though with no recent kernel updates seems a bit odd, something else is probably going on
[05:46]  * lamont watches the download crawl
[06:00] <lamont> darkxst: 346 is worse (from vivid)
[06:05] <darkxst> lamont, working perfectly here, but I am on gnome-shell
[06:27] <lamont> downgrading compiz doesn't fix it either, ditto nautilus+compiz
[06:27]  * lamont sleeps
[12:35] <aeoril> darkxst I am no longer working on the bug you have been helping me with - it is just too hard for my first bug.  You indicated there was another good "beginner bug" to me - is that still open?  I would be glad to work on it since you suggested it and you have helped me so much.  Thanks.
[12:36] <aeoril> sarnold thank you as well for helping me on my first bug.  Too bad I could not figure it out.
[20:13] <darkxst> aeoril, ok, maybe you could look at bug 1422113
[20:14] <darkxst> and bug 1422176 is also similar
[20:14] <aeoril> darkxst ok, will do - funny, I just got back and hopped on like 5 minutes ago!  Been gone all day!
[20:14]  * darkxst just woke up
[20:14] <aeoril> darkxst do you think anyone will pick up on my bug I tried to work on and triage it and fix it?
[20:15] <aeoril> darkxst did you see I contacted chpe and he said he thought it was something in Ubuntu, not vte or gnome-terminal?
[20:15] <aeoril> darkxst good morning! :)
[20:17] <darkxst> aeoril, I did see that
[20:18] <aeoril> darkxst do you have any input on that?  It seemed to me to really be pointing to vte3 or gnome-terminal, especially as I looked into the code
[20:18] <darkxst> its possible chpe includes, running old versions of code as Ubuntu problem
[20:19] <aeoril> darkxst I tried to explain to him that I was trying to find the fix to backport, but he seemed really busy and probably did not really have time to read my e-mails thoroughly - I bet he stays very busy ...
[20:20] <aeoril> darkxst in other words, your presumption seems very plausible in light of our e-mail interaction
[20:24] <aeoril> darkxst 1422113 looks at first blush like a one line change - probably just change a pathname somewhere
[20:25] <darkxst> aeoril, yes, you need to rename the icon
[20:26] <darkxst> I would also suggest you check there are no other affected icons in the package
[20:26] <aeoril> darkxst yes, in the xml file
[20:28] <aeoril> ok, I could do that - is there something I need to do "officially" to get started on this?  Or just start fixing it and when I get it working, let you know?
[20:29] <darkxst> aeoril, make a bzr branch, fix it, then link to bug
[20:30] <aeoril> darkxst ok, will do - I guess ubiquity is just the standard installer for Ubuntu?
[20:30] <darkxst> yes, and ubuntu is upstream for ubiquity
[20:30] <aeoril> oh, I guess that makes it easier ...
[20:30] <aeoril> (thanks :)
[20:31] <darkxst> aeoril, lp:ubiquity
[20:32] <aeoril> darkxst ok, cool - thanks :)
[20:33] <aeoril> darkxst I guess I should do this with sbuild?
[20:36] <aeoril> darkxst bbl - gotta run to the store
[23:40] <nickSwe> I am running Ubuntu 14.10 on a laptop with a external HDMI monitor running on 1080 resolution. On the login screen on initial boot up the login screen is scaled incorrectly and I see some graphic issues like strange lines on the side. It appears it is scaling the login screen to whatever my laptop resolution is set to. How can I change this so that it scales properly on the external monitor?


[06:30] <mwhudson> jdstrand: makes sense, let me know if you need any pointers when the next release comes out! (it's pretty simple though)
[13:32] <jdstrand> mwhudson: I shall! thanks :)


[00:15] <ZuLuuuuuu> Hello, I'm new to Launchpad. Was using Google Code + SVN before. I have a discussion board project and have hard time deciding how to organise it. The problem is that it is written in ASP but I'm planning to rewrite it in another language but keep the ASP version and keep releasing bug-fix versions for it. Also the project has a web site and I want to keep the web site in Launchpad, too. What structure would you suggest for me? Should I create a
[00:15] <ZuLuuuuuu> "super project" and create other projects under it (different projects for different languages and the web site)? Or should I just create different branches for ASP and, say PHP versions of the project and the web site of the project?
[00:16] <thumper> ZuLuuuuuu: yes, a "super project" or "project group" as we call it sounds reasonable to me
[00:16] <intellectronica> ZuLuuuuuu: branches are just different slices of the same codebase
[00:16] <cody-somerville> lol
[00:16] <ZuLuuuuuu> Hmmm, I see
[00:16]  * cody-somerville would recommend different branches as well instead of a project group.
[00:17] <intellectronica> cody-somerville: really? different branches within the same project? that's totally not how it's intended to be used
[00:17] <intellectronica> i expect all branches for a project to be branches related to the project's trunk
[00:18] <thumper> ZuLuuuuuu: normally the branches on a project are related
[00:18] <ZuLuuuuuu> I am new to the distributed VCS thing so I'm not experienced if branches are intended for such cases :S
[00:18] <cody-somerville> intellectronica, rewriting it in another language seems rather related
[00:19] <intellectronica> cody-somerville: by related, what i mean is "share some revisions"
[00:19] <intellectronica> i think i'm missing terminology here
[00:19] <ZuLuuuuuu> hmmm, and what do you suggest for the web site of the project? should it be just a subfolder in the tree or different branch or different sub-project?
[00:20] <cody-somerville> subfolder would probably be most convenient
[00:20] <intellectronica> ZuLuuuuuu: subfolder. in fact i think as a matter of policy we ask that you don't create projects for websites
[00:20] <thumper> it depends
[00:21] <ZuLuuuuuu> thanks
[00:36] <SamB> intellectronica: but ... launchpad has one!
[00:38] <intellectronica> SamB: ?
[00:40] <wgrant> intellectronica: But the rewritten one could be version 2.0. Then the 1.0 branch is ASP, and the 2.0 one is Python (hopefully). Doesn't that make more sense?
[00:43] <ZuLuuuuuu> wgrant: I'm actually thinking about starting from 1.0 for the new generation and rename the ASP one as "classic" or something...
[00:43] <intellectronica> wgrant: that's a matter of taste, i guess. consider zope for example, they consider version 2 and 3 to be distinct projects
[00:43] <SamB> intellectronica: launchpad is a website
[00:43] <SamB> it has a project
[00:44] <wgrant> intellectronica: Ah yes, which is why Zope 3 doesn't exist any more. They are not sequential.
[00:44] <intellectronica> also you might want to continue supporting the old version. security and critical bug fixes, for example
[00:44] <wgrant> But Zope is special in that it's a development platform. I don't really care about the implementation language of anything else.
[00:44] <intellectronica> SamB: LP is a web/app/. by website i meant content, really
[00:45] <SamB> intellectronica: true!
[00:45] <ZuLuuuuuu> and maybe some group of people take the ASP one and do a major release (it is an open project after all) then the releases would mess up completely :)
[00:46] <ZuLuuuuuu> having different projects for different language versions seems logical to me, didn't decided what to do with the site yet :)
[00:46] <wgrant> ZuLuuuuuu: True. Maybe seperate projects is better.
[00:48] <cody-somerville> ZuLuuuuuu, That isn't necessarily true. Messing up "versions" can be avoided via collaboration and communication.
[00:50] <ZuLuuuuuu> cody-somerville: I mean assume that the ASP version is now 2.0 and I release PHP version as 3.0. Then some group of people take the project, improve it and want to release it. They cannot name it as 3.0 now since it is used by the PHP group, they will end up creating a different project eventually.
[00:51] <cody-somerville> If you do it that way, yea
[00:51] <cody-somerville> I thought the plan was to phase our the ASP version
[00:51] <cody-somerville> *out
[00:52] <maxb> How long should it take for Launchpad to give a new PPA a signing key after the first package accept?
[01:06] <meoblast001> my mailing list won't send me emails anymore... could someone please help?
[01:12] <maxb> After LP has generated a key, will it then sign the Release files already published?
[01:12] <maxb> Or am I going to have to do dummy uploads to every distroseries to make it republish?
[01:17] <wgrant> maxb: You have to make it republish each pocket. The easiest way to do that is copy things into each distroseries.
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> Would a CR2032 watch battery be in danger of exploding or anything like that if I had to solder a lead to it?
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> wow, wrong channel.
[01:19] <wgrant> That's a mighty big watch.
[01:25] <meoblast001> anyone know why my mailing list hates me?
[01:25] <meoblast001> it just told me i wont be getting any more emails
[01:25] <meoblast001> and gave me a dead link that i was supposed to click to correct it
[01:26] <wgrant> meoblast001: Can you pastebin the email?
[01:26] <meoblast001> ok
[01:28] <meoblast001> wgrant: http://rafb.net/p/s99V7I22.html
[01:29] <wgrant> barry: ^^ That shouldn't happen, should it?
[01:30] <meoblast001> wgrant: is barry here?
[01:32] <savvas> what are bounces?
[01:32] <wgrant> savvas: Mail servers rejecting emails
[01:32] <savvas> oooh :)
[01:33] <savvas> ok
[01:33] <savvas> thank you :)
[01:35] <wgrant> meoblast001: Quite possibly not. I forgot which end of the US he was.
[01:36] <wgrant> meoblast001: Maybe you should ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[01:36] <wgrant> Although it seems like a bug.
[01:36] <meoblast001> i'll file a bug
[01:50] <spm> meoblast001: sounds as tho AOL may be rejecting LP email (again). I just contactuser'd you. can you confirm if you get that email or not?
[01:51] <meoblast001> spm: oh.. i replied
[01:51] <meoblast001> spm: you work for Big-C?
[01:51] <meoblast001> (Big-C is my new name for Canonical :P)
[01:51] <spm> cool. so that side works.
[01:51] <spm> meoblast001: yes
[01:51] <spm> heh
[01:53] <meoblast001> spm: i've heard people critisize Canonical for not "contributing to the opensource community" and i tell them yeah right..... millions of people would be Linuxless without Canonical
[01:55] <wgrant> spm: Mailman still shouldn't be sending that sort of thing out, though, should it? LP doesn't expose the normal Mailman UI at all AFAICT.
[02:02] <spm> wgrant: I wouldn't have thought so - ie I agree with you. but... maybe bug - still appears the email i sent did get through. so...
[02:07] <spm> meoblast001: redhat used to be described as "The Microsoft of OpenSource". I guess there's no pleasing everybody. :-)
[02:08] <kiko> au contraire, there's no pleasing anybody :)
[02:09] <spm> kiko: which reminds me - I need to have a whinge about parts of LP.... :-P
[02:10] <wgrant> spm: That's my job.
[02:10] <spm> kiko: we need a special LOSA single button in the UI: "Do what I want. Read My Mind." that Just DTRT. can do? by say next week?
[02:10] <kiko> you don't wanna challenge wgrant
[02:11] <kiko> hmmm
[02:11] <meoblast001> spm: so they make opensource software that rips everyone off and gives people a luke warm feeling of security?
[02:11] <meoblast001> :P.. that's what MS is
[02:12] <jml> I contributed a patch upstream just a few minutes ago.
[02:12] <wgrant> jml: Impossible! Canonical is evil, or something.
[02:12] <spm> eg. I want to 'Suspend wgrant' - CLick. gone.  Easy!!
[02:14] <wgrant> Is codebrowse any better now that it's all AJAXy?
[02:14] <spm> wgrant: better in what way? more stable? seems to be.
[02:15] <wgrant> spm: I meant stability-wise, yes. That's good.
[02:16] <spm> I suspect that's more due to "not more stable", rather the ajaxyness ... drags out before the problem impacts longer. if you ken. End result is less restarts, but problem hasn't gone away. per-se.
[02:16] <spm> I may be talking crack too.
[02:18] <kiko> matsubara!
[02:18] <MTecknology> kiko!
[02:18] <matsubara> kiko!
[02:19] <matsubara> how's the airport?
[02:19]  * MTecknology licks kiki
[02:19] <MTecknology> kiko*
[02:19] <matsubara> that's weird
[02:19] <matsubara> shall I come back later?
[02:22] <Ursinha> lol
[02:22] <kiko> shall /I/ come back later?!
[02:22] <kiko> the airport is beautiful
[02:23] <kiko> you can see for yourself at twitter.com/kiko666
[02:23] <wgrant> Which airport?
[02:24] <spm> kiko666 - how *very* appropriate. ;-)
[02:24] <MTecknology> wow - twitter is ugly
[02:26] <kiko> there were 665 others already registered!!
[02:27] <wgrant> How about identi.ca?
[02:29] <kiko> well I didn't want to send him away
[02:29] <kiko> am I crazy to start an upgrade 1h before my flight leaves?
[02:29] <kiko> maybe I am
[02:29] <kiko> let me go to the gate!
[02:29] <kiko>  bbi10m
[02:42] <kiko> so
[02:42] <lifeless> soso
[02:42] <lifeless> what airport
[02:42] <lifeless> kiko: also an upgrade of what - ubuntu or bzr branch?
[02:45] <kiko> ubuntu!
[02:47] <wgrant> Going to Jaunty?
[02:48] <lifeless> kiko: do it when you land
[02:48] <lifeless> kiko: then you can report bugs in person
[02:51] <kiko> yeah, I will do that
[02:51] <kiko> the internet here is too bad
[03:18] <jamesh> if the plane has wifi, you could upgrade during the flight
[03:18] <jamesh> might be hard to expense it though
[03:19] <lifeless> lol
[04:17] <macvr> hi all... is anybody having problems with launchpad? i'm not able to comment/report bugs, open url just times out!
[04:18] <wgrant> I was having issues with edge a few minutes back.
[04:18] <wgrant> I assumed my connection was broken.
[04:19] <macvr> its been like this for a couple of days
[04:19] <ienorand> macvr: at what point?, I am fine up until the sending action (which I have not done)
[04:19] <wgrant> It's working fine for me now.
[04:20] <wgrant> macvr: Do you get a Launchpad message telling you that it has timed out, or is your web browser generating the message?
[04:20] <macvr> ienorand: i'm not able to send/any input... it just gets timed out
[04:20] <macvr> wgrant: i get a blank page
[04:20] <macvr> no message
[04:21] <macvr> i tried updating my location too, but didnt work, just timed out...
[04:22] <macvr> i tired using the openID at another site too but , that also timed out!
[04:22] <ienorand> hmm, there should be some dummy bug to test things out on...
[04:23] <wgrant> ienorand: staging.launchpad.net
[04:23] <thumper> macvr: which url?  I'll try it from here
[04:24] <macvr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[04:25] <thumper> hmm.. works for me
[04:25] <thumper> although I get redirected to edge
[04:25] <thumper> macvr: try https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[04:26] <macvr> i thought it was some outage at the server end, since even jaunty updating was taking a long time... i'm now trying to clear out the cookies
[04:28] <ienorand> macvr: Commenting worked fine for me here https://bugs.launchpad.net/meshwork/+bug/2028
[04:30] <macvr> ienorand: i'm trying but just keeps timing out again..
[04:32] <ienorand> macvr: possibly something on your connection...?
[04:33] <macvr> ienorand: other regular browsing works fine, had no problems with that...
[04:35] <macvr> ienorand: actually a few days back i tried , replying to a bug from thunderbird, rather than using the site, bug that comment didnt show up in the bug page, so i commented from the site itself... could that have anything to do ? like backlog ?
[04:35] <ienorand> lp might 'ave turned descriminate-ist...
[04:36] <macvr> whats that?
[04:36] <macvr> oh.. got it... i thought LIST!
[04:40] <macvr> ienorand: how does commenting via thunderbird work? > just choosing  reply to the subscribed mail, should work right? no need changing the subject or anything else?
[04:42] <ienorand> macvr: Yea, there are commands for special tasks but just a comment + attachment should be just a reply... take care to not quote to much though...
[04:43] <macvr> ienorand: k... trying that...
[04:45] <ienorand> macvr: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface for reference
[04:46] <macvr> ienorand: thanx... i looking through it..
[04:50] <macvr> ienorand: ok... i didnt sign my mail previously, so that maybe why it didnt get submitted... but i didnt get the error notification either...! thats weird ...,
[04:57] <ienorand> macvr: took me some five-ten minutes for a reply before... if launchpad is indeed haveing some kinds of problems it might be slower then...
[04:59] <macvr> ienorand: ok... thanx... i try it again later...
[06:05] <MTecknology> How do I close a milestone?
[06:06] <MTecknology> found it
[06:53] <ripps> Is there any way to know how many people have used a particular PPA?
[06:53] <cprov> ripps: not yet
[06:53] <ripps> cprov: It seems like something that would be useful.
[06:53] <cprov> ripps: we have started to work on "download counters" recently.
[06:53] <cprov> ripps: yeah, definitely.
[07:29] <tsimpson> I'm getting on OOPS-1203C517 while trying to access https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bug/320915
[07:30] <tsimpson> timeout on edge too
[08:02] <MTecknology> Anyone know how to take a diff file and apply it against a source directory?
[08:04] <jml> bzr patch <diff>
[08:04] <jml> if it's not managed with bzr, umm...
[08:04] <jml> patch -p0 <diff>
[08:05] <tsimpson> patch -p0 < diff
[08:05] <tsimpson> patch reads from stdin
[08:06] <persia> Well, sometimes `patch < diff` or `patch -p1 < diff`: it depends on the relation between the patch and the source.
[09:15] <SiDi> Hello
[09:15] <SiDi> Am i meant to be able to set the security contact for a project owned by a team i own ? It currently says i don't have the permission to do it
[09:17] <SiDi> Actually, it doesnt let me put someone of the team. but i can put myself as a security contact
[09:17]  * wgrant pokes around.
[09:23] <wgrant> Ahhhh.
[09:23] <wgrant> I see now.
[09:23] <wgrant> SiDi: The problem is that the email address of the person you are trying to set it to is private.
[09:23] <wgrant> And the alert uses the email address for no good reason.
[09:23]  * wgrant files a bug.
[09:24] <SiDi> wgrant, i see
[09:24] <wgrant> SiDi: If you can get them to make their email address public for a few seconds while you click the Save button, and then set it back, it will work.
[09:24] <SiDi> I thought it'd mean that i wasn't allow to chose for my team members :P
[09:24] <SiDi> wgrant, thanks for the tip. we'll do that when the guy will have waken up :>
[09:36] <gnumdk> hello
[09:36] <gnumdk> I've got some problems uploading on my ppa
[09:37] <cprov> gnumdk: what's up ?
[09:37] <cprov> gnumdk: did you receive a rejection-email ?
[09:37] <gnumdk> it tell me : "Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution"
[09:37] <gnumdk> i'm uploading a jaunty package
[09:38] <wgrant> cprov: I wonder if you could make that error message more obvious.
[09:38] <wgrant> It hits a lot of people.
[09:38] <wgrant> gnumdk: The problem is that you are actually trying to upload it to Jaunty, not your PPA.
[09:39] <cprov> gnumdk: you have to fix your dput.cf configuration OR use the ppa target when you upload sources (dput my-ppa ...)
[09:39] <cprov> wgrant: yes ....
[09:40] <cprov> wgrant: what would be clearer ?
[09:41] <wgrant> cprov: Specifying the archive that was targetted.
[09:41] <wgrant> 'Signer has no upload rights at all to the Ubuntu archive'
[09:41] <cprov> wgrant: 'If you are trying to upload to your PPA please be sure you are using the right `dput` target and it's configured correctly, <help.l.n/Packaging/PPA>'
[09:41] <wgrant> s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu primary/
[09:41] <wgrant> Or that, although I tend to dislike that sort of thing.
[09:42] <cprov> wgrant: too verbose for my taste, as well
[09:42] <cprov> wgrant: you are right, mentioning 'Ubuntu primary archive' might solve it.
[09:42] <bigjools> wgrant: file a bug if you like, we're currently working in that area of code to make it work with package sets
[09:43] <wgrant> bigjools: Will do.
[09:43] <wgrant> cprov, bigjools: Thanks.
[09:45]  * wgrant kicks some part of the Internet.
[09:45] <wgrant> My connections to all of LP are timing out intermittently again.
[09:45] <wgrant> Like somebody else reported a few hours ago.
[09:45] <wgrant> Of course, it could well be Firefox.
[09:46] <bigjools> 'tis fine for me
[09:46] <wgrant> I know.
[09:46] <bigjools> could be the Aus intarwebs
[09:46] <wgrant> It's fine from the UK and US for me as well.
[09:46] <wgrant> It could be.
[09:49] <wgrant> cprov, bigjools: Bug #362795
[09:50] <bigjools> wgrant: Thank you.  That's better than the usual "could be less useless" :)
[09:51] <wgrant> bigjools: The other one really was useless from the start, though. This one has reason for being how it is.
[09:52] <cprov> wgrant: thanks, I will probably find time for fixing one or two trivial bugs today.  it's Friday :)
[09:53]  * wgrant mourns FiF.
[09:53] <gnumdk> i've got another problem: gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct.txt give me: secret key not available
[09:54] <wgrant> gnumdk: What does “gpg --list-secret-keys” say?
[09:55] <gnumdk> wgrant: it list my key
[09:55] <wgrant> gnumdk: Can you pastebin the original signing command and output?
[09:57] <gnumdk> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/152663/
[09:59] <geser> gnumdk: can you please also pastebin the output from the command wgrant told you?
[09:59] <wgrant> cprov: Rolling out r8244 without fixing it properly is a seriously bad idea.
[09:59] <wgrant> That's massive archive and mirror bloat.
[10:00] <cprov> wgrant: ddebs are not uploaded to LP
[10:00] <cprov> wgrant: but the fix is coming.
[10:00] <gnumdk> wgrant: works with kgpg, strange
[10:03] <wgrant> gnumdk: Do as geser suggested - pastebin the listing of your secret keys.
[10:05] <cprov> wgrant: ... don't get me wrong, I understand your concern, ddebs in the primary archive would break half of the *intarwebs* ;)
[10:07] <wgrant> cprov: Archives confuse me. They seem to serve more purposes than they should. Some have entirely separate privileges, others publish different sets of components from the same distro, others publish other types of packages. Others are copy archives. Some subset of these purposes magically appear as being official.
[10:09] <cprov> wgrant: I see what you mean, some of the use-cases we are 'smashing' with archive probably deserve a better solution.
[10:10] <wgrant> cprov: It seems to me that PPAs should be some other type of object, with an Archive representing a set of publishings in one physical location. But the current model does seem to work, albeit with the PARTNER hack.
[10:10]  * wgrant -> dinner.
[10:12] <cprov> wgrant: yes, that's exactly where the DEBUG archive will seat, with PARTNER, in the "hall of shame". I have to think more about it ...
[10:13] <wgrant> cprov: But PARTNER should be a PPA, so they're not quite the same.
[10:13] <bigjools> no it should not
[10:15] <cprov> wgrant: the proposed DEBUG archive will contain the ddebs that will be presented with the primary packages, it's a subset of packages that will be distributed from other place then archive.u.c. . It kind of make sense.
[10:17] <cprov> wgrant: since ddebs will certainly be the responsibility of the same people that maintain the debs in ubuntu.
[10:31] <wgrant> cprov: Right.
[10:31] <wgrant> bigjools: What's so special about it that it should be a component?
[10:31] <wgrant> Those packages are *not* part of Ubuntu.
[10:31] <bigjools> yes, and that's why they're in a separate archive
[10:32] <wgrant> But they appear as part of Ubuntu all throughout Launchpad.
[10:32] <bigjools> that's a presentation detail
[10:33] <cprov> bigjools: but that's the confusing part, "presented together" means "supported by the same people", IMHO.
[10:33] <wgrant> bigjools: Any component of Ubuntu is clearly part of Ubuntu.
[10:33] <bigjools> yes, it could be better
[10:34] <bigjools> but we were talking about archives, not partner presentation :)
[10:34] <wgrant> to file a bug about a partner package, you have to file it against Ubuntu. That's not right.
[10:34] <wgrant> Why is partner special? Why is it not just a PPA?
[10:34] <bigjools> because PPAs have a bunch of semantics associated with them that would break the partner packages
[10:34] <wgrant> Apart from coming before PPAs.
[10:34] <bigjools> they are simply not the same thing
[10:35] <wgrant> They are. They are both archives which don't respect the ogre-model, have only one component, and are maintained by a different set of people from the primary archive.
[10:35] <wgrant> They are not part of the distribution.
[10:36] <wgrant> The only benefit I can see that a component gives over a PPA is bug tracking.
[10:41] <cprov> wgrant: not that we have bugs in partner packages, I suppose. Let me query ...
[10:42] <wgrant> cprov: Right, I see no cases in which they shouldn't be reported to the ISV directly.
[10:47] <bigjools> Launchpad is not just an Ubuntu bug tracker
[10:48] <wgrant>  /ubuntu is.
[11:00] <cprov> wgrant: do you have access to chinstrap.u.c ?
[11:01] <wgrant> cprov: No.
[11:53] <rowinggolfer> mrevell - thanks for resetting my project name.
[11:53] <mrevell> rowinggolfer: I didn't do it m'self but I'll find whoever did it and pass on your thanks :)
[11:54] <rowinggolfer> I'm just signing the ticket
[11:55] <rowinggolfer> here's a question
[11:56] <rowinggolfer> or feature request perhaps...
[11:56] <rowinggolfer> I note my project has 4 rss feeds
[11:56] <rowinggolfer> announcements,bugs, branches and revisions.
[11:57] <rowinggolfer> for a wee project like mine
[11:57] <rowinggolfer> a catch all feed would be nice.
[12:28] <barry> wgrant: yes, that's a bug.  we shouldn't (yet) be doing bounce processing
[13:38] <checkers> heya, i'm trying to report an ubuntu bug and getting timeout errors when submitting the initial summary  (Error ID: OOPS-1203C1105)
[14:47] <abdelrahman> Hi, I'm wondering if I could use lanuchpad to host my thesis project code... the thing is I don't want the code to be public yet, I want it to be accessible only by the team members
[14:48] <beuno> abdelrahman, private branches are only available as a commercial service
[14:48] <beuno> bac, knows all about this if you're interested
[14:49] <beuno> otherwise, Launchpad is free if you're willing to share   :)
[14:49] <abdelrahman> beuno, its a non profit project! :(
[14:50] <beuno> abdelrahman, so make it open source  :)
[14:50] <bac> abdelrahman: non-profit is not the same as open source.  LP is only free to use for open projects
[14:51] <abdelrahman> bac, we are planning to opensource it, but not currently...
[14:52] <abdelrahman> bac, we just don't want anybody (from the other teams in the university) to be able to access our code yet
[14:52] <SamB> abdelrahman: well, I guess you can't use launchpad yet?
[14:53] <abdelrahman> ya, anybody knows a  codehosting provider that is for free?
[14:53] <SamB> just get bzr installed on a server ?
[14:53] <abdelrahman> SamB: what do you mean
[14:53] <SamB> (and your team members in a unix group)
[14:53] <SamB> you do have computers at your school, don't you???
[14:54] <abdelrahman> SamB: we do, but we want it to be accessible from outside the university
[14:54] <bac> abdelrahman: you can host your repository on any machine where your team has SSH access
[14:54] <SamB> don't they have external SSH access ?
[14:55] <abdelrahman> SamB: no, there is a network firewall...which blocks access of machines from outside
[14:55] <abdelrahman> and plus, the university network runs a DHCP, so I can't keep the ip of the server
[14:55] <SamB> abdelrahman: oh
[14:56] <SamB> no compsci department or anything with publicly-accessible servers?
[14:56] <wgrant> Is there really a compsci department without externally accessible servers?
[14:56] <abdelrahman> SamB: they don't have a SVN server
[14:56] <abdelrahman> they have a webserver :S
[14:56] <SamB> abdelrahman: but don't they have SSH access ?
[14:57] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't have an svn server - it has a bzr server, which is a role that can be performed by any machine with SSH access.
[14:57] <abdelrahman> but we don't have access to it, to put stuff on it
[14:57] <abdelrahman> wgrant: svn or bzr or git
[14:57] <SamB> can you not ask for accounts?
[14:57] <abdelrahman> wgrant: I don't mind
[14:58] <SamB> if not, maybe one of your team has a computer outside the university network that you could put the repository on?
[14:58] <wgrant> abdelrahman: With at least bzr and git you do not need anything special on the server.
[14:58] <abdelrahman> wgrant: could you please explain
[14:58] <SamB> wgrant: it's nice to have the VCS installed there though
[14:58] <SamB> and you definately need write access of some sort ;-)
[14:59] <SamB> abdelrahman: so ... what school are you at?
[14:59] <wgrant> abdelrahman: To host a bzr branch, I can use any server to which I have both SSH and write access somewhere on the filesystem. you don't need bzr on the server. Just SSH.
[14:59] <abdelrahman> SamB: American University In Cairo
[15:00] <SamB> wgrant: it also helps if the computer has a reasonably stable name ;-)
[15:00] <wgrant> SamB: That too.
[15:01] <abdelrahman> I have computers in the lab, so I can install SSH on them, but again my problem will be with the university network :D DHCP + firewall :(
[15:01] <wgrant> abdelrahman: Do you not have home directories on some of the servers, which have static names?
[15:02] <abdelrahman> SamB: by the way, the univesity is great, but they are a bit behind when it come to these things
[15:02] <SamB> for instance, I have an account named "bronson" on cs.widener.edu
[15:02] <abdelrahman> wgrant: windows :D
[15:03] <abdelrahman> wgrant: not unix :D
[15:03] <abdelrahman> wgrant: and nobody use the department filesystem, its really unreliable
[15:03] <wgrant> abdelrahman: Oh. That's awful...
[15:04] <SamB> abdelrahman: is there not a CS department?
[15:04] <abdelrahman> SamB: what do u mean?
[15:05] <wgrant> SamB: Some CS departments use Windows! Mine is being forced by the School of Engineering to replace all of the UNIX workstations with Windows ones, although the servers remain UNIX for now.
[15:05] <SamB> those usually have some unix systems at least
[15:05] <SamB> wgrant: how horrible!
[15:05] <wgrant> SamB: s/horrible/revolting and depressing :(/
[15:06] <SamB> at my school, the CS department hasn't given us EEs any windows accounts on their systems ;-P
[15:06] <abdelrahman> SamB: we actually still have unix machines in the department (solaris) with windows on them :D
[15:06] <wgrant> SamB: Engineering has decided that they need an SOE. That SOE is Windows.  Basically they stole all our labs (literally, all of them) to make them also usable by Engineering in general, and in the process Windowsified them.
[15:08] <rowinggolfer> problem - I can't get to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rowinggolfer/openmolar/trunk/files
[15:09] <rowinggolfer> I could 30 minutes ago
[15:09] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: Other branches are working for me. Maybe just wait a few minutes.
[15:09] <SamB> sadly, at my school the CS labs seem the best-maintained -- even though they have SVN < 1.5 and the linux-only machines were missing libneon last I checked ...
[15:10] <rowinggolfer> wgrant: ok.
[15:10] <abdelrahman> SamB: as for our CS department: they had to put windows on the unix machines, just because the university network doesn't support connecting unix machines to it
[15:11] <abdelrahman> SamB: there is some sort of a client that you have to put to be able to connect to the network through ethernet, and this client doesn't run on linux
[15:11] <SamB> oh. Our university network doesn't really provide any worthwhile features that I can see ;-)
[15:11] <SamB> well, besides basic TCP/IP to the internet
[15:11] <SamB> that's kind of important
[15:12] <SamB> whereas the CS department provides home directories
[15:12] <SamB> BIG ones
[15:12] <abdelrahman> 100 MB :(
[15:15] <SamB> wow, I seem to have 4.6G in mine ...
[15:15] <SamB> must be those emacs bzr branches or something ...
[15:16] <SamB> ah, yup
[15:28] <ZuLuuuuuu> Hello, I have tagged my project's current revision locally, how can I make it seen on Launchpad page of my project? When I try "bzr status" it displays no change.
[15:47] <savvas> is it normal that the ppa build log doesn't show unicode characters in filenames?
[15:48] <savvas> e.g. drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2008-09-14 14:43 ./usr/share/glossa/\316\240\316\261\317 (etc)
[15:51] <exarkun> glossa?  is that a coincidence?
[15:51] <geser> unicode chars in a filename?
[15:52] <geser> savvas: as text files usually don't have a file encoding specified, you might perhaps need to tell your "viewer" which encoding it is
[15:55] <savvas> erm..
[15:55] <savvas> let me download it, I was just viewing it with firefox
[15:55] <wgrant> savvas: Firefox has View->Character Encoding
[15:56] <savvas> nope, those aren't encoded
[15:56] <savvas> but dpkg --contents file.deb shows it encoded in Greek properly :)
[15:57] <defcon> hi
[15:57] <savvas> nevermind, it's rather really minor :)
[15:58] <savvas> exarkun: what did you mean when you said coincidence?
[15:58] <exarkun> A project named glossa having trouble with mangled information (glossa giving "glossolalia" its root, for example)
[16:00] <defcon> can somebody tell me why karma (within 1 day) loose ~1000 "points" ? o_O i had round about 1400, and the next day i had ~380
[16:00] <savvas> exarkun: ah no, at least I don't think so :) it has to do with that.. computer programming "language" that's close to human's - but in Greek :)
[16:01] <geser> defcon: have you read the link in the /topic?
[16:01] <defcon> AH... ok, sorry. now i read it :D
[16:08] <jdub> if my build log indicates success, but my ppa lists those builds as failures... is that a me problem or a launchpad problem? :-)
[16:08] <jdub> (do i just hit retry?)
[16:09] <cprov> jdub: build URL ?
[16:13] <ZuLuuuuuu> Is there a way we can push "tags" to remote server in Bazaar?
[16:21] <jdub> cprov: this build on every arch... https://launchpad.net/~jdub/+archive/ppa/+build/952106
[16:25] <wgrant> jdub: The status is 'Failed to upload' - see the upload log.
[16:25] <wgrant> See the untimestamped lines for the real error.
[16:26] <jdub> aha!
[16:26] <jdub> thanks
[16:26] <wgrant> I think that error is meant to go away in 2.2.4. cprov?
[16:28] <geser> jdub: bug 357034
[16:31] <cprov> wgrant: yup, even earlier, the fix will be committed tonight.
[16:31] <jdub> heh
[16:32] <jdub> i will just change the section for now
[16:33] <wgrant> cprov: Very good.
[16:33]  * wgrant -> bed
[16:34] <jdub> thanks for your help, dudes :-)
[16:34] <abentley> barry, BjornT: Do you know anything about this? https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1203C517
[16:35] <abentley> no, ubottu.  Bad.
[16:36] <barry> abentley: unfortunately no
[16:38] <abentley> barry: Thanks anyway.
[17:09] <hsn_> launchpad application is downloadable for installing on intranet?
[17:14] <james_w> my PPA upload has gone walkabouts
[17:15] <james_w> if you upload to ~team/unknown-ppa then it is ACCEPTED but doesn't seem to appear anywhere
[17:15] <bigjools> james_w: add /ubuntu to the path
[17:15] <james_w> what will that do?
[17:15] <bigjools> make it work :)
[17:16] <james_w> work how?
[17:16] <james_w> I know how to upload to a PPA usually
[17:16] <bigjools> you uploaded to the wrong path, so you need ~user/ppaname/ubuntu
[17:16] <james_w> with the same .changes?
[17:17] <bigjools> yep
[17:17] <james_w> ah, ok
[17:17] <james_w> thanks
[17:17] <bigjools> np
[17:17] <bigjools> FWIW, we're fixing this so you can omit the "ubuntu" part and it will default
[17:19] <james_w> default to your first PPA?
[17:19] <bigjools> you need the ppa name
[17:20] <james_w> sure, I don't understand how it will work if I uploaded to a PPA name that I haven't actually created
[17:21] <james_w> it's the first time I created a PPA for a team since multi-PPAs were added, so when I was given the "display name" box, I thought it was "PPA name", so I put something there, and then uploaded to that same thing
[17:21] <bigjools> it won't, you'll be rejected.  I am just saying that you won't need to specify /ubuntu, it will assume that by default once the fix is in
[17:21] <james_w> I thought /ubuntu was already the default, or is that dput magic?
[17:22] <james_w> yeah, that's dput magic
[17:22] <james_w> so I already uploaded to /ubuntu in the first place
[17:22] <james_w> so I uploaded to a PPA I hadn't created yet, it was ACCEPTED, but I can't find any indication of it in the UI
[17:22] <bigjools> yeah that's the bug
[17:23] <bigjools> so always specify the full path and it will work
[17:23] <james_w> I did specify the full path I thought?
[17:23] <bigjools> can you paste your dput.cf for me, I'll check
[17:24] <bigjools> you said you used ~team/unknown-ppa, so I am getting confused :)
[17:24] <james_w> ah
[17:24] <james_w> my apologies
[17:25] <james_w> I have a ~/.dput.cf as well, which defines [ppa]
[17:25] <james_w> so when I used ppa:team/ppaname I thought I was using the system definition that did the right thing
[17:25] <james_w> but the extra bit was ignored and it ended up in my personal PPA
[17:26] <bigjools> ah this is the shortcut that cody did I think
[17:26] <james_w> I should have read the ACCEPTED mail more closely
[17:26] <james_w> sorry for the noise
[17:26] <bigjools> np, it explains a few things!
[17:29] <cody-somerville> Is there is a bug in my code?
[17:30] <james_w> cody-somerville: it should perhaps error if there are un-substituted arguments
[17:30] <james_w> rather than quietly ignoring them
[17:38] <bigjools> james_w: BTW did you see my announcement to -users about the source publication changes on the API?
[17:38] <bigjools> I know you're a heavy user
[17:38] <james_w> I did not, let me look it up
[17:39] <james_w> ugh
[17:39] <james_w> thanks for the heads up
[17:39] <james_w> when's that going to hit edge?
[17:40] <bigjools> erm let me check
[17:41] <james_w> it will only be two minutes to update the code, so it's no biggy, but it's nice to know when to be on-hand to do that
[17:42] <bigjools> james_w: 05:00 UK time
[17:42] <james_w> ok, thanks
[17:42] <james_w> guess I won't be on hand :-)
[17:43] <bigjools> also, you'll get binary publications now :)
[17:43] <james_w> ooh, that might screw something up, I'll have a play
[17:44] <bigjools> it won't, you need to request them
[17:44] <james_w> ah
[17:44] <james_w> then it might just be useful, thanks :-)
[17:44] <bigjools> I'm just saying you can get them if you need them, when edge updates
[17:44] <bigjools> cool, let me know how it goes
[17:44] <bigjools> any feel free to suggest improvements
[17:44] <bigjools> and*
[17:45] <james_w> the published_since_date you added is great, thanks again
[17:45] <bigjools> welcome
[17:45] <james_w> instead of looping over every package in the archive to see if it has changed the code now just polls for updates, and so is wicked fast
[17:46] <bigjools> and reduces the load on the server :)
[17:46] <james_w> that too, I rate limited it as it was too quick at times
[17:47] <james_w> turns out we don't actually publish *that* many packages for most of the release
[17:47] <bigjools> that would be an interesting graph
[18:03] <ebroder> If I wanted to file a bug about PPAs (or possibly find one that had already been filed), do I look in the soyuz project?
[18:03] <Ursinha> ebroder, yes
[18:03] <ebroder> Ok, thanks
[18:03] <Ursinha> np
[19:18] <MattJ> Is there anywhere to view the PPA build queue status, or an ETA on how long it will be before a package is built?
[19:21] <savvas> is there a wiki/help page on how to make tarballs show up in launchpad.net/project/+download ?
[19:25] <MattJ> savvas: I don't really know, but on the project page you can register "series"
[19:26] <MattJ> If you opt to edit the details for a "series" then it has a field called "Release URL Pattern: "
[19:26] <MattJ> "A URL pattern that matches releases that are part of this series. Launchpad automatically scans this site to import new releases. Example: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/emacs-21.*.tar.gz"
[19:26] <MattJ> I'm wondering if that's what does it
[19:28] <savvas> MattJ: awesome, thanks :) I'll play around with it
[19:28] <savvas> good thing we have staging hehe
[19:29] <MattJ> Heh
[19:31] <rockstar> savvas, your downloads are tied to a milestone, so you'll have to create a milestone to upload a tarball.
[19:31] <abentley> rockstar: I thought you had to create a release.
[19:33] <rockstar> abentley, hm, I know it's all changing.  I think now that the milestone becomes the release.   There were less steps when I released entertainer 0.4
[19:33] <savvas> so.. something like pidgin does?
[19:34] <savvas> target a milestone and shows the bugs I fixed?
[19:35] <rockstar> savvas, yes, you definitely need to create a milestone, and the process for uploading starts at the milestone.
[19:36] <savvas> I see, I'll try it out:)
[19:44] <savvas> rockstar: thanks again, I think I got the hang of it!
[21:47] <ScottK> It seems I've just lost my ability to accept packages via LP (Error ID: OOPS-1203A1853)
[21:47] <ScottK> This is somewhat bad timing as we're about a week from a release ....
[21:47] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone would take a look.
[21:48] <cody-somerville> What page gives that oops?
[21:49] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue?queue_state=1
[21:49] <ScottK> Right after I mash the accept button.
[21:50] <cody-somerville> Its a time out
[21:50] <ScottK> (Error ID: OOPS-1203D1950) if multiple copies help.
[21:50] <ScottK> cody-somerville: I'm aware of this.
[21:50] <ScottK> It's an internal problem though.
[21:51] <ScottK> It's happened before.
[21:54] <cody-somerville> ScottK, is it happening for all packages you try to accept or just a specific one?
[21:55] <ScottK> Bug #332529 is similar
[21:55] <ScottK> There's only one that needs accepting right now.
[21:58] <ScottK> It finally went through.
[21:59] <cody-somerville> ScottK, :]
[21:59] <ScottK> This is about how it went before.
[22:19] <xq> I see on the Ubuntu-Members launchpad that the cron job that handles @ubuntu.com aliases is supposed to run every 48 hours -- has this by chance changed at all?
[22:19] <xq> Ubuntu-Members wiki page*


 Hi! Will be possible to upgrade from Lubuntu 18.04 to Lubuntu 18.10 on october?
 @Jyoti, No.
 Not yet, at least.
 Ok. Yes, it will be too diferent .Thanks
 No need to waste your time doing the upgrade possible. A fresh install will be easier and you have many other things to solve.