[19:36] <MirkoKa> xv_image_viewer: can't help with 11 or 12 yet, but for others, please post the make output (ie. the compile error) on pastebin
[19:36] <L3top> sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade     greenit
[19:36] <pyboy> xbb:i said alt and right click
[19:36] <apavlov> minimec: thanks for your help, it was actually grub hanging on its prompt, waiting for a single Enter keypress :) Auto-adjusting my monitor at this point looked like it was going to burn down, but at least I saw what was supposed to be displayed on the screen.
[19:37] <xv_image_viewer> Thanks Mirkoka, where do I post the link to the pastebin ?
[19:37] <MirkoKa> xv_image_viewer: here ;)
[19:37] <esak> i install ubuntu 12.04 . when is runnig for login. wirte" waiting for configure network". how sole this problem ??
[19:37] <xbb> pyboy, yes, alt + right click that's what I did
[19:37] <silversword411> New question: I'm wondering if in the last 7-10 days the download size for 10.04.4 LTS sudo apt-get update has increased in size.....by a major amount. I see it's around a 13-15MB download now, and if that's running on 30+ servers every 60 mins I'm seeing a major bandwidth spike that was never there before 4/24/2012 (a week ago). Can anyone help?
[19:37] <greenit> L3top, updated 1 package, but no ms-ttf-thingy
[19:38] <Daghdha> How does one get an application window in unity from one virtual desktop to another virtual desktop?
[19:38] <dwkoste> ga.... i tried to upgrade ubuntu from 11.10 to 12.04... it now hangs at the start up screen.... my machine is dual boot and I am able to boot into an old 11.04 instance of ubuntu... and can mount the new version that resides on same hard drive.... what is the easiest way to fix the new version from the old?
[19:38] <L3top> greenit sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:38] <MirkoKa> Dreamer3: not sure, but you could try to log yourself with the logger command, see "man logger"
[19:38] <Joe_CoT> unity/compiz isn't as buggy as it used to be, but it's still buggy. my menus have disappeared. even when the window isn't maximized
[19:38] <L3top> I am curious about the rest of those libs as well
[19:39] <minimec> apavlov: no problem. Again if you 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', the broken nvidia driver on your USB stick will be disabled, probably.
[19:39] <gimpy49> I just installed 12.04 on a laptop, it showed my wireless card during the install, I have a wlan0 interface but Network Manager shows me nothing for wireless.  Where can I look to fix it?
[19:39] <Dreamer3> MirkoKa: it's the exec that's failing
[19:39] <xbb> Daghdha, right click -> move to another workspace
[19:39] <L3top> greenit: If I know msttcorefonts it will tell you it is already at its newest version... so you might have to throw a --reinstall in there
[19:39] <OfficeITGuy149> minimec: I can move windows and other objects with double-tap and one finger. I cannot move objects or windows if I click the trackpad down with my thumb and drag with my finger.
[19:40] <Daghdha> in 10.x i could just drag it around in the tiny virtual desktop preview
[19:40] <silversword411> Has anyone else seen a major bandwidth increase on running sudo apt-get update lately?
[19:40] <Fyodorovna> gimpy49, you might look in additional drivers to see if anything is available.
[19:40] <MirkoKa> Dreamer3: see if his helps you: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging
[19:40] <NFisher> Hi there! is there a possibility to have truly separated workspaces in ubuntu lucid using compiz?! I wanted to have several workspace on which i could put desktop-symbols for each one individually..?
[19:40] <NFisher> i.e. when i have a symbol on my workspace 1 i want it not to appear on workspaces 2-4..
[19:40] <pyboy> silversword411: no
[19:40] <OfficeITGuy149> Thanks so much for your help, by the way. This problem is for an executive and not having a solution is killing my productivity
[19:41] <silversword411> Pyboy: how big a download do you have when you run a sudo apt-get update?
[19:41] <Dreamer3> >> /tmp/upstart.log 2>&1 may help
[19:41] <Dreamer3> trying
[19:41] <pyboy> silv
[19:41] <gimpy49> Fyodorovna: I don't think it's a driver issue.  The system sees the interface just fine.  If I hit the wireless button it logs that it is bringing the itnerface up but disconnected.
[19:41] <Daghdha> i see xbb. So that does not work for maximized application windows?
[19:41] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: Ok. So there might be the possibility to 'create' a button area for left- and right- click. Open a console and type synclient once. You should see a config for your pad.
[19:41] <greenit> L3top, thx, reinstalled it, i hope it works... one last question: i am simularity updating my server, i am connected via ssh, can i log back in to the server when i restart now?
[19:42] <Dreamer3> ingo :)
[19:42] <silversword411> I'm Seeing: Fetched 13.1MB in 17s (736kB/s) Reading package lists... Done
[19:42] <Dreamer3> MirkoKa: thanks!
[19:42] <OfficeITGuy149> I see some options, including "-l list current user settings"
[19:42] <L3top> should be able to... I would exit the session before rebooting though.
[19:42] <OfficeITGuy149> is that what you mean?
[19:42] <Daghdha> The old way of virtual desktop preview was infinitely better :/
[19:42] <error1_> I installed the new ubuntu, in the installation disk three was 3d support, but now that its installed unity 3d will give a black screen and gnome shell crashes before it starts
[19:43] <MirkoKa> NFisher: yes, compiz implements both viewports and workspaces. with the cube you would have one cube for each workspace. see CCSM -> General Options -> Desktop Size and look for the keycombos to change cubes/wiorkspaces
[19:43] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: You can maybe adjust the options AreaBottomEdge, the RightButton- stuff ans so on.
[19:43] <error1_> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6150SE nForce 430/integrated/SSE2
[19:43] <pyboy> silversword411: my internet is crap  even  i have no problems  doing a sudo apt-get update
[19:43] <xbb> Daghdha, it should, but in Chrome for example I need to enable system titles and borders by right clicking on space next to tab to enable title bar to bring up workspace move menu
[19:43] <OfficeITGuy149> How do I make adjustments to these settings?
[19:44] <OfficeITGuy149> Is it a .conf file somewhere?
[19:44] <esak> i install ubuntu 12.04 . when is runnig for login. wirte" waiting for configure network". how sole this problem ??
[19:45] <Robert_____> I just upgraded ubuntu to 12.04 from 11.10 and I now get a vga mode not support error on my monitor how do I get to grub
[19:45] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man1/synclient.1.html$
[19:45] <NFisher> MirkoKa, thats cool, bt id rather prefer to use Desktop-Wall instead of cubes for i sometimes need to have an overview over my all Workspaces at once..
[19:46] <L3top> error1_: did you install a proprietary driver?
[19:46] <Starminn> What's with windows in Ubuntu 12.04 w/ Unity not respecting their workspaces? If I'm on a workspace and switch to another application, instead of switching to the workspace, the system moves the window to show about 1/4th of it on the current one.
[19:46] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[19:46] <L3top> error1_: can you give me the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[19:46] <pyboy> Robert_____:keep tapping the tab key on startup that is what i did
[19:47] <Fyodorovna> Robert_____, holding the shift down after the bios on a single install should have grub show.
[19:47] <Robert_____> I tried that and also tried tapping the esc key
[19:47] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: for example: synclient AreaBottomEdge=3500 (value) may be different on your device). That would shrink the bottom edge of your pad, so the 'moving' surface would be smaller.
[19:47] <silversword411> Someone running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, can you run a sudo apt-get update and let me know how much data is downloaded?
[19:47] <DarkSector> If I were to upgrade to anything beyond 11.10 can I retain my Gnome Classic or Gnome 2 interface?
[19:47] <DarkSector> I just hate unity
[19:47] <DarkSector> and if I can, how?
[19:47] <nperry> DarkSector, yes you can.
[19:48] <Fyodorovna> DarkSector, classic yes
[19:48] <MirkoKa> NFisher: could still be the same, unfortunately, I can't find the keyboard settings for switching desktops anymore, so can't test ATM
[19:48] <MirkoKa> NFisher: s/could/should/
[19:48] <DarkSector> is there an option that it asks for or do I need to download extra packages?
[19:48] <gimpy49> silversword411: That would vary between boxes depending how many repos you have and maybe how out of date you are.
[19:48] <OfficeITGuy149> minimec: I just found these instructions, do you think they make sense? http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/03/multi-touch-for-anyall-synaptics.html
[19:48] <xbb> pyboy, so ALT+R click should work without any additional settings?
[19:48] <NFisher> MirkoKa, i just tried to add more "Desktops" in  CCSM -> General Options -> Desktop Size, but it wouldnt let me
[19:49] <pyboy> xbb:yes
[19:49] <DarkSector> Fyodorovna, nperry, is there an option that it asks for or do I need to download extra packages?
[19:49] <Robert_____> can you drop to a text interface during the bootup after grub?
[19:49] <P5King> Hello, how do i go about letting users use screen, whenever i try it tells me Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied
[19:49] <Kurt_> hello
[19:49] <Kurt_> looking for some help with ssl virtual hosting
[19:49] <Kurt_> i'm using apache
[19:49] <gimpy49> Kurt_: ##httpd
[19:49] <silversword411> gimpy: that what I was starting to wonder.....has one of the repo's dramatically increased in size because of the recent release of 12? I'm checking against lucid......
[19:50] <Fyodorovna> DarkSector, the classic is part of the gnome-shell which gives you gnome 3 as well.
[19:50] <pyboy> xbb:google it mate
[19:50] <DarkSector> Fyodorovna: Can't I just have Gnome Classic and nothing else
[19:50] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: I don't think so, as they do not define any area, where you want to have any buttons. The multitouch functions on your pad are working, but you don't have a button area defined.
[19:50] <DarkSector> or you know what
[19:50] <DarkSector> nevermind
[19:51] <DarkSector> I'll just use Debian, thanks for your help Fyodorovna
[19:51] <OfficeITGuy149> hold on, I thought multi touch was defined by being able to recognize more than one finger
[19:51] <Kurt_> gimpy49: I can't post to that channel.  can you assist?
[19:51] <Fyodorovna> DarkSector, I believe both unity and the classic are on top of gnome 3 basically probably a severe hack to have just the classsic.
[19:51] <OfficeITGuy149> It does not seem to have the ability to do that
[19:51] <pyboy> DarkSector: yes you can  as long as you dont remove ubuntu-desktop
[19:51] <error1_> L3top http://paste.ubuntu.com/958330/
[19:51] <DarkSector> It's alright, I think I'll migrate.
[19:51] <DarkSector> thanks and bai
[19:52] <error1_> L3top nope i didn't...
[19:52] <P5King> Anyone know? :P
[19:52] <esak> i install ubuntu 12.04 . when is runnig for login. wirte" waiting for configure network". how sole this problem ??
[19:52] <xbb> pyboy, it's "hold left click, hold alt, right click" http://askubuntu.com/questions/125891/panel-settings-not-appearing-on-right-click-in-gnome
[19:53] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: Have a look at post '2' by 'anrxc' here. That is a good start... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1077796#p1077796
[19:54] <pyboy> xbb:wait a few mins
[19:54] <L3top> error1_: the nvidia-current driver has some issues atm, but are adverse to trying it? sudo apt-get install nvidia-current          I was a little surprised that your chipset is covered, I thought that was stuck in 173 land for support... but it should go.
[19:54] <alloutdoorparts> how do I get ubuntu to boot showing errors?  I just installed ubuntu 12 can get a vga mode not support error on the screen
[19:55] <L3top> silversword411: yes. Fetched 20.7MB
[19:55] <savid> I'm experiencing some major lag on my computer while copying files to my external USB drive.  Is that normal?  I get lag when typing anything in any window, as well as delayed mouse clicks.
[19:55] <alloutdoorparts> I have been trying holding the shift during bootup and also esc key but no luck bringing up grub
[19:55] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: So the idea is to define a "SoftButtonArea", you see?
[19:56] <L3top> silversword411: I have a couple of oddball repos on the 1004 stuff, but the vast majority came from ubuntu.
[19:56] <Daghdha> At the top of my desktop it says 'Ubuntu Desktop'. This is in black. How do i make this white?
[19:56] <Lorra> Hello everyone! Does anybody have any idea of where the noip2 package went?
[19:56] <Lorra> I can't find it anyore and I was enjoying it until last update
[19:56] <Lorra> :'(
[19:57] <MirkoKa> NFisher: can't help you. actually I'm sure that I had multiple workspaces (cubes) with compiz once (8.04), now I can't even find a way to have more desktops. and everything I find on the web are about multi-head setups
[19:58] <pyboy> xbb:hi
[19:58] <Lmce> Daghdha: in appearance change the theme from ambiance to radiance
[19:58] <daviddoria> I am following some instructions to use openconnect to connect to a Cisco AnyConnect VPN. When I click "add" in the "manage connections" dialog, I am expecting to see an "openconnect" option, but I do not. I have installed the packages 'openconnect' and 'network-manager-openconnect' - does anyone know what else I can do?
[19:58] <Pici> Lorra: It looks like it was removed from Debian and thus removed from Ubuntu. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653957
[19:58] <xbb> pyboy, hey
[19:59] <Daghdha> Lmce: THanks
[19:59] <itguy614> anyone work with apache virtual hosts on 12.04?
[19:59] <itguy614> have a few questions.
[19:59] <OfficeITGuy149> minimec: I'll read that, thank you.
[19:59] <error11> L3top I have the latest nevidia-current.....
[19:59] <minimec> OfficeITGuy149: no problem.
[19:59] <splnet> I have an nVidia G86 [Quadro NVS 290]. Can anyone recommend a decent nvidia driver? The screen redraw rate is pathetic.
[20:00] <L3top> error11: you do now or you have always?
[20:00] <error11> always
[20:00] <pyboy> xbb:read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/69576/how-to-customize-the-gnome-classic-panel it should be the same on ubuntu 12.04
[20:00] <splnet> I have version nvidia kernel version 280.13
[20:00] <Sonic132> Ok hey guys. I have an issue upon installing 12.04 LTS (64). I have no working sound for some reason. Anyone help me troubleshoot why and help fix?
[20:00] <Sonic132> I'm still a noobie.
[20:00] <Pici> itguy614: Just ask the channel... or if its really specific, #httpd might be useful.
[20:00] <pyboy> xbb:dont l
[20:00] <pyboy> xbb:dont look at the top of the page
[20:01] <Sonic132> splnet: The default one works fine for me.
[20:01] <splnet> Someone was on here earlier talking about an older nvidia cards. What is the best driver?
[20:01] <gameid> !info noip2
[20:01] <Lorra> Pici, used a self compiled version, I do need it
[20:01] <pyboy> xbb:here is what  you want You must use Alt + Right Click in the panel... In some cases its Super+Alt+Right CLick. You will see the properties option, as well as Add To Panel :-)
[20:01] <L3top> kx recommends downgrading to .33 from nvidia-current (.40). I have had success using the xswat ppa and grabbing their version.
[20:01] <splnet> Sonic132: ok when using gvim, after a while the screen does not redraw. I'm assuming this is a nvidia driver issue
[20:02] <Starminn> What's with windows in Ubuntu 12.04 w/ Unity not respecting their workspaces? If I'm on a workspace and switch to another application, instead of switching to the workspace, the system moves the window to show about 1/4th of it on the current one.
[20:02] <Pici> Lorra: If you compiled it yourself, then why does it matter if its in our repositories?
[20:02] <error11> okay
[20:02] <error11> thanks :)
[20:02] <itguy614> all of this is on 12.04.  using ldirectord for load ballancing and connecting to an apache server.  ip on apache server is virtual.  port 80 traffic works fine.  port 443 does not.  i can connect to the actual address with 80 and 443 of the apache server with no problems.
[20:02] <Sonic132> splnet: Noobie here. Just saying that the default driver works for me. Mine being Nvidia as well. But goodluck.
[20:02] <xbb> pyboy, thanks I see it - win+alt+right click. left-click -> alt -> right-click is awkward to press.
[20:03] <splnet> L3top: what is the xswat ppa? Do you have a link with more details?
[20:03] <Sonic132> Anyone help me troubleshoot my No Audio issue in 12.04?
[20:03] <Lorra> Pici, I compiled it right now, I would prefer it was in the repositories because so I would be able to enjoy the work of the Ubuntu team on it
[20:03] <Lorra> Pici, and also being able to uninstall properly
[20:03] <L3top> from what I have read, there was a security update that attempted to fix a gpu exploit and some other minor things... and the result has been horrendous for unity and regression in general. That goes for  you too splnet
[20:03] <pyboy> xbb:no problem lad glad i can help you
[20:03] <xbb> pyboy, thanks
[20:03] <L3top> on nVidias side.
[20:03] <ThinkT510> !checkinstall | Lorra
[20:03] <Pici> Lorra: Neither the Ubuntu nor the Debian team are doing any work on it though.  Thats why it was removed.  You also could use checkinstall to install it so that you can remove it easily.
[20:03] <L3top> one moment...
[20:04] <xbb> Sonic132, first questions 1) are speakers plugged in and working? 2) Are speakers not on mute? I am asking because these get me all the time when audio is not working :)
[20:05] <L3top> splnet: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[20:05] <Lorra> Pici, ThinkT510 I've already done a make install, anyway the install target in the Makefile is pretty short and looks clear, so it shouldn't be that bad removing it
[20:05] <Sonic132> xbb: Yes they are now. When I tested them I had them pretty loud too. I tested them on a Youtube video.
[20:06] <Sonic132> xbb: Also, have tested them on Ubuntu's own Sound settings.
[20:06] <ryan> is there a way to rebuild a windows 8 BCD from ubuntu 12?
[20:06] <alankila> itguy614: do you terminate the tls on the load balancer, or what's your solution for 443
[20:06] <ThinkT510> Lorra: well now you know about checkinstall for future use :)
[20:06] <maheanuu> I am having a hell of a time trying to get Ubuntu to work on this laptop that I reloaded with Ubuntu 10.04.4  at present I am running Pulse Audio and wondering if I should eliminate it and switch to Alsa???
[20:06] <xbb> Sonic132, so what's not working?
[20:06] <Sonic132> xbb: The sound. System is totally mute in Ubuntu. But works fine in Windows.
[20:06] <itguy614> alankila: it is terminated with apache,  ipvs is doing the forwarding
[20:07] <miazmaic> is there a way to rebuild a windows 8 BCD from ubuntu 12?
[20:07] <pyboy> Lorra: make sure you put sudo before make and make install
[20:07] <splnet> Sonic132: ok I'll check it out. What nvidia driver version do they have?
[20:07] <missuse> why most freenode channel stop user posting on main ?
[20:07] <alankila> itguy614: oh. I'm not familiar with ipvs, but I guess with a solution like this there shouldn't be much difference between ports 80 and 443
[20:07] <MirkoKa> maheanuu: if I understand the architecture correctly, then Pulse uses Alsa as its default audio-sink anyway (at least on 10.04)
[20:07] <splnet> L3top: ok I'll check it out. What nvidia driver version do they have?
[20:07] <xbb> Sonic132, did you play with sound settings do you have correct output device?
[20:08] <NFisher> MirkoKa, ok, thanks for your help!
[20:08] <Pici> missuse: What?
[20:08] <Sonic132> splnet: I have [version current][recommended] whatever that is. It's under Additional Drivers.
[20:08] <itguy614> alankila: correct, 80 seems fine.  i can see ipvs forwarding the 443 traffic but then nada.
[20:08] <maheanuu> MirkoKa, so I should have alsa installed at present?
[20:08] <Sonic132> xbb: I don't know really. The sound is piped through a sound speaker bar.
[20:08] <L3top> It looks like for precise they have decided 295.33-0ubuntu1~precise~xup1  is the best version as well.
[20:09] <missuse> in freenode chatroom most disallow user chat on public
[20:09] <abyss42> how do i connect to a vpn network in ubuntu?
[20:09] <Sonic132> xbb: omg I just got it.
[20:09] <xbb> Sonic132, what was it?
[20:09] <Pici> missuse: This channel is for Ubuntu support only, if you have a question about freenode policies, #freenode would be the right place to ask.
[20:09] <maheanuu> I am not understanding why, but sometimes it will open and the mike will work but only breifly and when I close skype I cannot use the mike again??
[20:09] <robgraves> pidgin is acting strange for me today
[20:10] <julien__>  baap
[20:10] <L3top> splnet: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/ubuntu-x-swat
[20:10] <Sonic132> xbb: For some reason it wants to mute Analog Output by default. When I unmuted it again it works. But it keeps wanting to revert back to Muted.
[20:10] <Captain_Proton> abyss42, what kind of vpn  windows?
[20:10] <MirkoKa> maheanuu: not only installed, but in use.
[20:10] <Sonic132> xbb: Is there an apply button I have to hit to save it that way?
[20:11] <minimec> abyss42: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VPN
[20:11] <n2diy> how can I tell what is using my swap memory?
[20:11] <xbb> Sonic132,  Is there an apply button? I am on 12.04 and there is none.
[20:11] <Sonic132> xbb: That's what I thought.
[20:11] <abyss42> abyss42, i have an ip to vpn to and a pcf file, that is all i know
[20:12] <xbb> Sonic132, when you close settings and reopen it's reverting to 'Mute'?
[20:12] <Sonic132> xbb: Ok it works. Apparently the situation is resolved.
[20:12] <itguy614> using ldirectord for load ballancing and connecting to an apache server.  ip on apache server is virtual.  port 80 traffic works fine.  port 443 does not.  i can connect to the actual address with 80 and 443 of the apache server with no problems.
[20:12] <splnet> L3top: thanks I'll see if that helps
[20:12] <xbb> ok, good that's it's working for you
[20:12] <Guest44607> hello
[20:13] <Sonic132> xbb: Well it seemed like it at first but it's alright now. Youtube (and everything else probably) has working sound.
[20:13] <abyss42> minimec, i dont want to setup vpn in my ubuntu...i want to access another computer which i have an ip and a pcf file to connect to
[20:13] <jwrigley> Hey, installed 12.04 and gnome-shell. For some reason autostart programs don't start (ie. gnome-session-properties), any ideas what I might do to fix it. I have been googling to no avail
[20:14] <L3top> splnet: you should do an apt-cache policy nvidia-current after you add the ppa and update to see that it wants to use the ppa as the candidate. I assume it will...
[20:14] <nimbiotics> hmm ... is there a way to use gnome in v12.04?
[20:14] <ThinkT510> !gnome2 | nimbiotics
[20:14] <zoltan__> hello
[20:15] <pyboy> jwrigley: dont know are they checked on startup,check it to make sure
[20:15] <zoltan__> could somebody help me with wifi?
[20:15] <minimec> abyss42: I know... ;) You can establish a connection with the network-manager, but you need the right module. I posted you the hotwo with the list of available modules.
[20:15] <Somelauw>  Hi, I want to remove luakit, but there makefile is broken. Can anyone check if it is safe to remove the following items: http://pastebin.com/MUHmmuE4
[20:15] <MirkoKa> n2diy: it's most probably the process(es) which also also eat your physical RAM
[20:15] <abyss42> minimec, oh thanks..will try that.
[20:15] <splnet> L3top: apt-get install nvidia-current is grabbing from ppa so  looks like it's working. 295 is much newer than 280
[20:15] <n2diy> ! notunity
[20:15] <anathema_> i had some screen resolution issues during boot and poweroff/restart any help?
[20:16] <jwrigley> pyboy: yeah, no they seem fine, checked and all, they just don't start up... :(
[20:16] <L3top> splnet: I thought you were on precise... what version ubuntu are you using?
[20:16] <n2diy> MirkoKa, ok, how do I tell what processes are using them?
[20:16] <splnet> L3top: 11.10
[20:16] <pyboy> did you try sudo service name of service start
[20:17] <alankila> itguy614: more details... how many backend apaches do you have, and do you need session affinity?  I do not know that this will address your issue splnet. Interesting to find out though.
[20:17] <jwrigley> pyboy: not really they aren't services so much as just start-up programs -- Dropbox, Guake-terminal, etc.
[20:18] <anathema_> i want to ask something about the ati card and boot screen etc anyone to help?
[20:18] <LinuxMonkey> !ask | anathema_
[20:18] <alankila> you could theoretically write a heartbeat script that just does some network transaction like accesses the apache front page once per second from the load balancer to determine if the backends are up, and if not, you would drop it. Will only scale up to 2 backend IPs, I guess, but is dirt simple on the upside.
[20:18] <diverdude> is php 5.4 available in the 12.04 repos?
[20:18] <pyboy> jwrigley: dont know i thought they were services
[20:18] <MirkoKa> n2diy: gnome-system-monitor or the commandline tools "top" or "ps axu", the "Memory" or "RSS" field tells the RAM usage, the Size field tells *roughly* the total memoy consumption.
[20:18] <anathema_> ok sorry, i want to ask if it is nessesary to download the ati driver, in the additional drivers there is no option for download
[20:19] <anathema_> because i have an ugly boot/shutdown splash screen etc
[20:19] <zoltan__> does anyone have problems with WLAN?
[20:19] <ThinkT510> diverdude: 5.3 is
[20:19] <L3top> anathema lspci | grep VGA
[20:20] <diverdude> ThinkT510: why not 5.4
[20:20] <jwrigley> pyboy: well, thanks anyway :)
[20:20] <ThinkT510> diverdude: no idea, when was 5.4 released?
[20:20] <L3top> The short answer is, if you have desktop, nothing further is necessary, though you might have better performance overall with it anathema_... I will tell you in a moment whether or not you will benefit.
[20:20] <pyboy> jwrigley: no problem sorry i could not help
[20:20] <diverdude> ThinkT510: 2 months ago
[20:20] <NoobTux> Unable to create directory /var/www/wordpress/wp-content/0777/2012/04. Is its parent directory writable by the server? <---- how can i upload a jpg file for my background? hmmmm
[20:20] <Menno> zoltan: not in 12.04
[20:20] <lousygarua> installed apache2, how do I NOT auto start it on boot? sudo update-rc.d apache2 disable didn't work and 'remove' gave an error message about the script existing in /etc/init.d/ and i don't want to delete cool stuff
[20:21] <anathema_> L3top, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI R430 [Radeon X800 XL] (PCIe)
[20:21] <ThinkT510> diverdude: maybe 12.04 was in freeze at the time
[20:21] <zoltan__> wifi ages to connect in 12.04
[20:21] <xv_image_viewer> MirkoKa, here is that paste-bin giving the what I did, and the compile problems: http://pastebin.com/in0SKAQx   It seems that the problem is Ubunut 11 does not come with /usr/lib/libjasper.a -- for manipulationg JPEG2000 images, howevere apt-cache search, and apt-get install says that all of libjasper for JPEG 2000 is installed....  Libjasper for java looks unrelated, but possibly colliding.
[20:22] <diverdude> thinced: that really sux
[20:22] <diverdude> ThinkT510: ^
[20:22] <n2diy> MirkoKa, ok, top doesn't seem to differentiate between ram and swap?
[20:22] <L3top> anathema_: you cannot use the proprietary fglrx driver. Your chipset is not supported.
[20:23] <orated> Hello! Is it advisable to use xfs filesystem for / partition (with separate /home on ext4)?
[20:23] <anathema_> L3top, thanks. is there any way to fix the ugly bootscreen and shutdown?
[20:23] <ThinkT510> orated: if you want to
[20:23] <pyboy> jwrigley: did you try to unistall gnome shells try to install gnome-panel does the same thing as gnome shells
[20:24] <orated> ThinkT510: I read it boosts the performance of the system. Could you explain in short what all changes in brings?
[20:24] <minimec> lousygarua: there is a tool called rcconf. You should be able disable apache2 on boot with that.
[20:24] <d4vid>  ////////
[20:24] <MirkoKa> xv_image_viewer: I won't be of much help with this, but do a "locate libjasper" and see if the ibjasper.a is anywhere else. if not, you could try to compile libjasper yourself
[20:24] <alankila> orated: I happen to have xfs as both / and /home. I do not see any issues
[20:24] <L3top> I would attack it from plymouth side,  and update the initrd, but perhaps going at it from grub is the correct solution. The short answer is, I don't know for sure, but I can give you some things to try, unless someone speaks up for sure with a solution anathema_.
[20:25] <ThinkT510> orated: i'm not that knowlegable but i'd assume the boost would be almost imperceptable, i just know you can use it
[20:25] <orated> alankila: And what difference you noticed after switching to xfs?
[20:25] <alankila> orated: got more free space :-p
[20:26] <orated> alankila: in terms of performance ..
[20:26] <anathema_> L3top, thanks i think that it must be a grub/plymouth issue because I can't see the progress bar etc
[20:26] <alankila> I can't really tell what filesystem my files are on.
[20:26] <L3top> orated: xfs is best for large streaming files... an ideal scenario would be a streaming media server or NAS.
[20:26] <minimec> lousygarua: Nope. rcconf is not working with upstart. Forget what i said.. initctl should do.
[20:27] <L3top> orated: You will NOT see a performance gain using it for your OS.
[20:27] <MirkoKa> n2diy: top (like the others) differentiate between Virtual Memory (everything, RAM, Swap, Shared), RSS (or RES, the actual RAM usage without Swap) and Shared (or SHR, the amount of shared memory).
[20:27] <alankila> orated: well, I run this thing on top of SSD -- in fact I have set up flashcache to do a kind of hybrid harddisk in software
[20:27] <nimbiotics> !notunity
[20:27] <alankila> my / is entirely on SSD, my /home is cached in writeback mode by about 100 GB of flash
[20:27] <ThinkT510> these factoids need updating
[20:28] <orated> Okay, thanks
[20:28] <alankila> flashcache reports read hit percent in 53 % range, and write hit percent in 35 % range, which indicates the transactions that occur entirely in flash.
[20:28] <jrib> ThinkT510: go for it :)
[20:28] <alankila> the big win is with writing though, because in writeback mode your disks appear to have flash's performance characteristics
[20:29] <n2diy> MirkoKa, ok, top isn't displaying rss, so I need to go config. that, thanks.
[20:29] <anathema_> L3top, is there any tool to config plymouth or grub settings?
[20:30] <MirkoKa> n2diy: n2diy top does display RSS, it just calls it RES
[20:31] <MirkoKa> n2diy: RSS = Resident Set Size, see RES-idend ;)
[20:31] <n2diy> MirkoKa, ok, I see it now.
[20:31] <hannibal_> hello at all. does anyone have a lenovo x200t with touchscreen?
[20:31] <hannibal_> it doesnt work properly at my computer :(
[20:33] <sleepycat> hannibal_: I don't but whats your question?
[20:34] <cwill747> hannibal_: did you check out thinkwiki?
[20:35] <L3top> anathema_: I would: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth; sudo update-initramfs -u
[20:35] <lousygarua> minimec: initctl seem to be controlling the services to run/stop/whatever, didn't see smt related to bootup
[20:35] <lousygarua> though i might be wrong
[20:36] <L3top> reboot and see where you are at anathema_... in the meantime I will look up grub stuff... I am honestly not familiar with it at all, have just seen edits here and there
[20:36] <pyboy> bye po
[20:36] <pyboy> bye
[20:36] <anathema_> L3top, ok thanks the first commands what are about? reconfigure plymouth?
[20:37] <anathema_> L3top, it says: There is only one alternative in link group default.plymouth: /lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.plymouth
[20:37] <anathema_> Nothing to configure.
[20:37] <L3top> anathema_: reconfigure the default plymouth theme and update initramfs
[20:37] <koffel> hey all
[20:37] <L3top> anathema_: not unexpected, but not harmful
[20:38] <L3top> lol... hey koffel
[20:38] <anathema_> L3top, ok will try the reboot
[20:38] <koffel> i set up dhcp server on ubuntu 12
[20:38] <koffel> how can i get clients have internet access
[20:38] <koffel> hey l3
[20:39] <L3top> I assume this is not linuxmce related?
[20:39] <koffel> correct
[20:39] <minimec> lousygarua: I never used that tool. I read something about initctl replacing rcconf. Do you have a apache2.conf or so in /etc/init?
[20:39] <L3top> server is up and running ?
[20:39] <koffel> i am not using lmce
[20:39] <koffel> l3 top yes
[20:39] <v0lksman_> anyone else have problems with rpaf0.6 in 12.04?  doesn't seem to work at all
[20:40] <koffel> dhcp is working and all
[20:40] <L3top> just not feeding internet?
[20:40] <koffel> just can't get internet access to cliends
[20:40] <koffel> correct
[20:40] <lousygarua> minimec: there's an /etc/init.d/apache2, i think i need to sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove as I read on the update-rc.d manpage
[20:41] <lousygarua> minimec: i'll restart now :) so brb. thanks for the help now and before
[20:41] <krababbel> koffel: you mean your pcs can't get to the internet?
[20:42] <koffel> krababble yes
[20:43] <krababbel> koffel: did you try static ip configuration? can they ping something?
[20:43] <koffel> yes
[20:43] <koffel> i think i missing iptables
[20:44] <jwrigley> pyboy: no, I haven't tried that, thanks! I will give that a go :)
[20:44] <krababbel> what is the dhcp, a linux box?
[20:44] <L3top> dns not forwarding perhaps?
[20:44] <koffel> seems like it
[20:44] <L3top> do the clients get a dns?
[20:44] <krababbel> koffel: can they ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:44] <pyboy> do  any of you know the commmand to unmute the volune
[20:45] <StuckMojo> so, i've got a very odd problem. after doing an aptitude update, which updated thunderbird, any time i click a url in a plain text message it tries to go to: file:///var/lib/mediatomb/mediatomb.html
[20:45] <Standarshy> I'm having trouble with my it's an intel 4965abgn wireless card.  It works fine in windows.   It works super slowly to the point where it is nearly unuseable.
[20:45] <lousygarua> minimec: YAY unable to connect. all is good ;)
[20:45]  * L3top not awesome at dhcp
[20:45] <StuckMojo> i purged mediatomb and still get the same behavior
[20:45] <ThinkT510> pyboy: use alsamixer, if there is MM press m to unmute
[20:45] <StuckMojo> i suspected proxy settings or something, but i can't seem to find anything relevant
[20:46] <minimec> lousygarua: cool. I have to write that down myself ;)
[20:46] <koffel><PHONE_NUMBER>000000000000
[20:46] <avdi> Stupid question: how do I tell dpkg/apt to replace my.cnf with the stock packaged config file?
[20:46] <avdi> Iused to know this
[20:47] <L3top> might get a better quicker answer in #httpd koffel
[20:47] <lousygarua> avdi: something with dpkg-reconfigure mysql or something similar? not sure
[20:47] <koffel> l3 top yeah it has dns
[20:49] <emanuele_> hello
[20:50] <pyboy> hi emanuele_
[20:50] <emanuele_> I have a laptop but I don't know how to change its brightness. I don't have any "screen" voice in my system settings
[20:50] <pepee> hi. there is a bug in vainfo
[20:50] <emanuele_> thanks for any help
[20:51] <pgib> Just installed 12.04.  I appreciate all the work put into it, but is there a way to downgrade?  This launcher is absolutely horrible, especially on multi-monitor setups.  I like the hud, but the launcher gets in the way.    Thanks!
[20:51] <pepee> emanuele_, xbacklight
[20:52] <pepee> emanuele_, or xgamma
[20:52] <danileigh79> Is anybody else getting an error trying to update Chrome?
[20:52] <waxstone> hi all, any issues with ubuntu with UEFI BIOS mobos?
[20:52] <pepee> pgib, you can install gnome3 or some other window manager
[20:52] <koffel> just can't get internet access to clients they have dns and can ping off the client
[20:53] <pyboy> emanuele_: go to system settings and go to the setting screen and there should be an option that you are looking for
[20:53] <pepee> danileigh79, what error?
[20:54] <pepee> koffel, do they have an IP? checked the interfaces? use ifconfig
[20:54] <danileigh79> pepee: nm, it's working now, was telling me unable to locate package, but I was trying to update from update-manager
[20:56] <pgib> pepee, I think the multi-monitor quirks could be alleviated if there was a way to move the launcher to the bottom of the screen.  It just forces me to wait an extra 2 seconds every time I move my mouse past the middle of the screen. Yeah, I guess I'll have to revert back to Gnome3 - I was just excited about the HUD. but on second thought, the HUD cause error reports fairly frequently anyways.
[20:56] <LinuxMonkey> !notunity | pgib
[20:56] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[20:57] <LinuxMonkey> why its saying 11.10...that needs to be updated :(
[20:58] <pgib> LinuxMonkey, yes, I already have GnomeShell installed from before the upgrade.  I was just hoping Unity has gotten better, and besides the HUD, I feel it has gotten worse.  If only there was some customization - it seems like each version becomes less and less flexible (In the sake of simplicity?)
[20:58] <LinuxMonkey> pgib,  turn off the following and you will be set
[20:58] <technoviking> anyway to show calendar events in Unity panel calendar?
[20:58] <LinuxMonkey> pgib, under Display turn off sticky edge
[20:59] <pgib> lol. what is that doing in display?
[20:59] <Guest8748> 12.04 is not booting
[21:00] <lalala> hello, i have strange slow reads on my ubuntu samba server to my win 7 machine. writes are 90MB/S reads are only 38-40 MB/s. the hard drives dont seem to be the bottleneck, neither the network (tried with iperf)
[21:00] <pyboy> Guest8748: what is it saying when you try to boot
[21:00] <L3top> koffel can you pastebin your /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[21:00] <LinuxMonkey> and there is another one, im trying to find it again that will just put launcher on screen 1
[21:00] <pgib> LinuxMonkey,  thanks I figured it be in Mouse, or in Appearance->Behavior next to "Auto hide launcher"  anyways - cool this will be helpful, and I see launcher location too (Which isn't in Appearance for some reason).
[21:00] <koffel> l3 it uses isc-dhcp
[21:00] <LinuxMonkey> yeah thats the one lol
[21:00] <Guest8748> nothing just blank screen
[21:01] <pepee> lalala, IIRC reads are always faster than writes. not sure anyway...
[21:01] <pgib> This is a surprising default option.  I feel nauseous every single time the side of the screen grabs my mouse. and then if finally rockets off once it breaks the threshold :-/  I guess I can bitch at launchpad or gnome guys once I figure out who's fault it is :)
[21:01] <L3top> well then I am extra useless koffel... sorry.
[21:02] <lalala> pepee the writes are faster
[21:02] <lalala> in my case...
[21:03] <mrsuchyPL> hi everyone
[21:03] <pepee> lalala, ahh k, sorry
[21:03] <lalala> nvm
[21:03] <koffel> l3top i need to find iptables
[21:03] <pgib> LinuxMonkey, Boo.. Launcher placement doesn't let me move the launcher to the bottom of the screen -  it just lets me choose which displays feature the launcher.  Unfortunately, with Nvidia, there is technically just one huge screen - so the option is moot :-/
[21:03] <mrsuchyPL> is here someone who can help me with backup in ubuntu 10.04 ??
[21:04] <pepee> koffel, sudo iptables -L ?
[21:04] <LinuxMonkey> pgib, yeah im in the same predicament. but its not too bad when its on the far  left of both my screens
[21:04] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, just ask
[21:05] <mrsuchyPL> I want install Ubuntu 12.04 but first I 'd like to backup my partition with linux and the second I mean /home. How can I do it easly ?
[21:05] <pyboy> try downloading the iso again  and burn the shite to a cd and put the cd into the cd tray  and continue from there
[21:05] <pgib> yeah, but would rather not move the mouse nearly 4000 pixels to the left when trying to use the launcher.  It also shows apps from ALL desktops, would be nicer if it only shows apps open on the current desktop.  Maybe time to revisit KDE - they at least let me create panels and drag them where ever I please
[21:06] <koffel> think my tables are wrong
[21:06] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, do you have /home in a separate partition?
[21:06] <mrsuchyPL> @pepee Yes
[21:07] <Yerushalmi> Hey folks. Now that I've upgraded to 12.04, pressing "print screen" no longer offers me a dialog box but rather just saves the screenshot directly without asking me about it. Is there any way to bring the dialog box back?
[21:08] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, using cp? :P
[21:08] <koffel> http://pastebin.com/8pLw5c6K <<-- my iptables
[21:09] <mrsuchyPL> but I cant cp some file even in root
[21:09] <pyboy> Yerushalmi: is there a setting for the take a screenshot, you might want to look
[21:09] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, http://tronprog.blogspot.com/2007/05/clone-partition-with-cp.html
[21:09] <mrsuchyPL> how can I run command line before starting Ubuntu and then copy files ??
[21:09] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, from a livecd
[21:09] <alankila> koffel: these rules do nothing. Every chain has only ACCEPT rules
[21:09] <pyboy> Yerushalmi: i will look for you
[21:09] <mrsuchyPL> ok I check this link, thx
[21:10] <mrsuchyPL> lol
[21:10] <mrsuchyPL> of course
[21:10] <alankila> koffel: unless you wanted to use iptables packet counters for accounting, I don't see the point
[21:10] <mrsuchyPL> thanks again
[21:10] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, read more before doing an upgrade
[21:10] <Yerushalmi> pyboy: I haven't seen one in the Screenshot program.
[21:10] <mrsuchyPL> pepee: what you mean ?
[21:10] <pepee> mrsuchyPL,  https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=10.04+to+12.04
[21:10] <koffel> alankila dont i have to forward frometh1 to eth0 to get internet on clients
[21:10] <pepee> mrsuchyPL,  to be aware of problems, etc
[21:11] <pooltable> help firefox it not set up right i do not see the x or re size box how do i fit it?
[21:11] <pyboy> Yerushalmi: i looked there is no shite there for what you are trying to do
[21:11] <mrsuchyPL> pepee what should I read first ? this channel :) or waht ?
[21:11] <Yerushalmi> pyboy: Oh, apparently this is a problem unique to gnome-shell.
[21:12] <alankila> koffel: no, these rules concern filtering, not routing or anything else
[21:12] <koffel> what do i need to do for sharing
[21:12] <koffel> or routing
[21:13] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, some blogs, etc. the idea is to know what other people has done and what results they got
[21:13] <crash> hi @ all
[21:13] <Guest3399> habe ein problem
[21:13] <pepee> koffel, route
[21:13] <pepee> !de | Guest3399
[21:14] <pyboy> Yerushalmi: try gnome-panel that is the same as gnome-shell but it might work to install type sudo apt-get install gnome-panel  unistall gnome shells
[21:14] <pooltable> also when i click on the show desk top it does not work
[21:14] <koffel> pepee how do i route ?
[21:14] <mrsuchyPL> I see but it's possible that I don't get the same problems bcs I have anaother hardware etc.
[21:14] <mrsuchyPL> but hey, I check on web
[21:14] <mrsuchyPL> thanks one again
[21:14] <pepee> koffel, check the route command
[21:14] <pepee> mrsuchyPL, you are welcome
[21:15] <Yerushalmi> pyboy: What is the difference between them?
[21:15] <koffel> man tring to get answers like pulling teeth
[21:15] <koffel> ? route
[21:15] <L3top> man route
[21:15] <pepee> pooltable, you don't see the x in the corner? check the window manager config
[21:15] <pyboy> Yerushalmi: no difference just try it ok
[21:16] <pooltable> pepee how do i do that ?
[21:16] <pepee> koffel, in the terminal run: route  . also: man route
[21:16] <pepee> pooltable, system settings? don't know what wm are you using
[21:16] <Yerushalmi> pyboy: Okay
[21:16] <BFranks> Been running Ubuntu 11 on an ESX server for a bit, saw the 12.04 update and since the server's not in use yet.. why not? .. Now I'm stuck in the shell, can't load xwindows.. I get: unable to open display ''   and then when I try to do a unity --reset    I get : no DISPLAY variable, setting it to :0   ?
[21:17] <koffel> pepee let me explain what i am tring to do
[21:17] <TheBuntu> How can i make gnome-mplayer use my multimedia keys.. play button back and farward buttons?
[21:17] <pepee> BFranks, try renaming the xorg.conf file
[21:17] <BFranks> (last error is NameError: global name 'GError' is not defined
[21:17] <pooltable> pepee useing xfce on 12.04
[21:17] <koffel> i tring to set up dhcp with internet share
[21:17] <pepee> koffel, dhcp server?
[21:18] <koffel> yes
[21:18] <pepee> koffel, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[21:18] <Monotoko> hey guys.. just let me start by saying I like Unity, I will be using it as primary and I don't want to start a flame war... I just noticed that wine doesn't integrate all that well and wanted xfce for my wine applications, is there any repercussions from installing xfce as well? Will it break Unity?  So the package is xubuntu-desktop?
[21:20] <pyboy> Monotoko: yes
[21:20] <Fyodorovna> Monotoko, yeah. :)
[21:20] <koffel> i thinking linux is freaking sucking
[21:20] <Monotoko> cheers ^_^
[21:20] <koffel> been 10 days tring to get this dhcp server working and everyone giving me false answers
[21:20] <pepee> BFranks, try it then
[21:20] <BFranks> pepee: It's werking..
[21:20] <Pickles> hello
[21:20] <pooltable> pepee how do i get to the system setting the chatzilla is lock and i can not move it?
[21:21] <BFranks> Confidence is most often deadly.. in this case.. Payday.. ;)
[21:21] <TheBuntu> Anyone know how i can make gnome-mplayer use my multimedia keys.. the play forward and back buttons??
[21:21] <conner_bw> does anyone know if jedit (or netbeans) will support this new appmenu thing in Ubuntu 12.04? That is, all menus go to the top bar (kind of like on OSX?) Doesn't seem to be working right now. Am I doing it wrong?
[21:21] <pepee> pooltable, hmm, not sure about xfce. try right-clicking in the desktop
[21:22] <Pickles> guys, i downloaded the desktop iso for 12.04 but i can't seem to run the windows installer
[21:22] <pooltable> pepee well not sure either when i click on the desk top it does not work
[21:22] <theadmin> Pickles: Run it as admin
[21:22] <Pickles> live cd works, and installer from there also
[21:23] <Fyodorovna> Pickles, can you be specific in not working?
[21:23] <pooltable> pepee if there is a way to re set up xfce i will do will do that
[21:23] <theadmin> pooltable: "System Settings" in Xfce is under Applications Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager
[21:23] <fusk> hello. Is it a known problem that 11.10 or 12.04 freezes after sleep on notebooks ?
[21:23] <Pickles> admin, tried that, didn't work
[21:23] <BFranks> Pepee: Wow.. never knew xwin could run so slow.. This is spooky slow.. ;)
[21:23] <MirkoKa> TheBuntu: on 10.04 they worked OOTB.  Edit ->  Preferences -> Interface -> Respond to Keyboard Media Keys
[21:24] <Buduk> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/ac.1.html << This command is reporting incorrectly any advice ?
[21:24] <pepee> pooltable, there should be an applications or appearance menu somewhere
[21:24] <pooltable> theadmin i know but i can not move chatzilla or click on the show the desk top
[21:24] <pyboy> fusk: are useing wubi
[21:24] <Pickles> fyodor, installer won't startup, i have win 7, doesn't even show up in process manager
[21:24] <souterrain> Using precise amd64 as guest under vmware player winxp32. When host is locked, or suspended, etc., once unlocked/resumed, guest display is unusable, either noise pattern or distorted/frozen.  3D acceleration is enabled.  Problem goes away when 3D disabled.  Thoughts?
[21:25] <pepee> pooltable, change the desktop theme...
[21:25] <pyboy> fusk: are you using wubi
[21:25] <emanuele_> I tried to change brightness but it doesn't get saved: when I get a screensaver the brigthness is set to its maximum value
[21:25] <TheBuntu> MirkoKa: That box is already checked
[21:25] <skydrome> hi im trying to find documentation on the ubuntu 12.04 server installation where it presents the list of kernels available. Mainly the descriptions of each one
[21:26] <LinuxMonkey> pooltable, for xfce based Ubuntu support please join #xubuntu
[21:26] <fusk> pyboy, i don't know what wubi is, but does not seem to be installed, at least through software center.
[21:26] <pyboy> emanuele_: try to  restart the computer after you change the setting
[21:26] <ThinkT510> LinuxMonkey: its supported here too
[21:26] <pepee> pickels, ubuntu cd is 64 or 32 bits? what about windows?
[21:26] <pepee> Pickles, ^
[21:27] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Anyone know how to install Sun/Oracle Java 6 or 7 (preferably 6), in Ubuntu 12.04 properly and sanely?
[21:27] <pyboy> fusk: sorry mate cant help you
[21:27] <guest-942MJ8> if i change the mac address for eth0, is my mac address spoofed when i get on wifi
[21:27] <pepee> !kernel
[21:27] <Pickles> iso is 64 windows 7 home premium also 64
[21:27] <emanuele_> pyboy, i tried
[21:27] <pickels> There can only be one!
[21:27] <pooltable> theadmin settings editor"?
[21:27] <theadmin> pooltable: No, Settings Manager
[21:27] <pyboy> emanuele_: weird
[21:28] <Pickles> even the downloadable windows installer does the same
[21:28] <pepee> Pickles, wha error are you gettin?
[21:28] <MirkoKa> TheBuntu: In System -> Preferenecs -> Keyboard Shortcuts, are the Audio keys set to various XF86* keys?
[21:29] <emanuele_> pyboy, it is :(
[21:29] <Pickles> no error, just nothing
[21:29] <pooltable> how do i get there with the cli?
[21:29] <normatif> conner_bw: for netbeans, check Ayatana plugin
[21:30] <fusk> pyboy,  no problem, should i install wubi ?
[21:30] <pyboy> fusk: no
[21:30] <fusk> oki
[21:30] <JessicaW> anyone know how to kill a failed installation?
[21:30] <JessicaW> kill -9 isn't working
[21:30] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Then it's dead. Reboot.
[21:30] <pyboy> emanuele_: explain your problem again plz
[21:31] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: wow... srsly?
[21:31] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Please use the English langauge when talking to me. 'u', 'pls', 'thx', for example, are properly spelled 'you', 'please', and 'thanks'.
[21:31] <pepee> Pickles, cd is desktop or alternate?
[21:31] <MirkoKa> Psi-Jack: Sun (Oracle) Java has been removed from Ubuntu an no official support is given anymore. You need to install it from the Sun/Oracle supplied .tgz. You probably need to uninstal the OpenJDK stuff, but I'm not sure, there are instructions on the web which should also apply to 12.04
[21:31] <Pickles> desktop
[21:31] <Monotoko> JessicaW, kill -9 is the lowest kill you can use, it's probably zombied
[21:31] <Psi-Jack> MirkoKa: I did a server install, so there's no OpenJDK by default, thankfully.
[21:32] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: so you're saying, if kill -9 doesn't work my only option is to reboot?
[21:32] <Monotoko> in which case, you will need to reboot
[21:32] <conner_bw> normatif, thanks
[21:32] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Generally speaking, yes.
[21:32] <pyboy> Psi-Jack: your to funny
[21:32] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: what if rebooting is not an option at this time... is there any other way? I've got 18 tb of data being parsed right now.
[21:32] <pooltable> theadmin is umder settings?:
[21:32] <galerie> I have radeon HD 550v or HD 4650 VGA and tried to install open source driver and proprietary on precise pangolin but still no success anyone know how to do it?
[21:32] <fusk> pyboy, Ah now i know, no i used usb, just to clarify. But thanks anyway.
[21:33] <TheBuntu> MirkoKa: let me check.. i'm useing gnome-mplayer in kde.. so i'll check keyboard in there
[21:33] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Wait, and then reboot?
[21:33] <emanuele_> pyboy, I have a laptop.  I change the brigthness using system-settings when a screensaver happens the brigthness comes back to its max value
[21:33] <pyboy> fusk: no problem mate
[21:33] <JessicaW> Monotoko: it's not showing as a zombied process.
[21:33] <pepee> JessicaW, did the upgrade install the packages, or just downloaded?
[21:33] <emanuele_> pyboy, ubuntu 11.10
[21:33] <pepee> JessicaW, used sudo?
[21:33] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: I'll have to wait until friday. Will this negatively impact the machine in any way? 10.04 server.
[21:33] <pepee> JessicaW, used "sudo kill"?
[21:34] <L3top> galerie: lspci | grep VGA   please
[21:34] <Monotoko> JessicaW, which process is it?
[21:34] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Of course it /could/ impact it. It really depends though on what the actuall process it.
[21:34] <skydrome> what is the difference between kernels generic and virtual in the 12.04 installer?
[21:34] <Psi-Jack> is*
[21:34] <JessicaW> pepee: It looks like the user tried to kill it in mid install.
[21:34] <pepee> galerie, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Precise_Installation_Guide
[21:34] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: root     29112  0.0  0.0  89644 76384 ?         *NEVER* use it as the first attempt.
[21:35] <ikonia> pyboy: that languager is unacceptable. Stop now.
[21:35] <Pickles> i tried website iso, torrent iso and wubi.exe windows installer, the 2.78 MB one
[21:35] <ikonia> language
[21:35] <ThinkT510> !language | pyboy
[21:35] <JessicaW> MirkoKa: of course.
[21:35] <pyboy> ok
[21:35] <pyboy> sorry
[21:36] <JessicaW> I tried removing the lock first and running apt-get install -f
[21:36] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Yeah, that looks to be in an uninteruptable sleep. So it's pretty much doing nothing.
[21:36] <galerie> @pepe : tried that before but always hanging when tried to used unity 3D
[21:36] <emanuele_> pyboy, no .. I put it to lower value
[21:36] <normatif> JessicaW: once the downloads finish, in-place release upgrade should not be interrupted
[21:37] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: well... It was worth a shot.
[21:37] <pyboy> emanuele_: right ok it cant just change at random
[21:37] <JessicaW> normatif: I didn't interrupt the install. one of my users with sudo access did. I have since removed it.
[21:37] <pepee> JessicaW, sudo kill -9 29112  ?
[21:37] <JessicaW> pepee: tried that didn't work.
[21:37] <pepee> JessicaW, btw you sure it got stuck?
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> pepee: Yeah, she's sure. It's in an uninteruptable sleep status.
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> I already examined the ps output.
[21:38] <pepee> :/
[21:38] <L3top> galerie: honestly all that should be required for the proprietary driver is to apt-get install fglrx       you might add libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri fglrx-modaliases... but really just adding the fglrx should be all that is needed for the proprietary. Trying to revert back to the native requires some trickery... but give that a try.
[21:38] <mykrob> afternoon. How can I tell if I am running the latest AMD driver in Ubuntu 12.04?
[21:38] <Monotoko> ... coma is as good as zombie
[21:38] <Pickles> help? :(
[21:38] <normatif> JessicaW: I did not type that to blame you, just informing you of the status that system is in
[21:38] <Psi-Jack> Monotoko: Pretty much.
[21:38] <Sh4DoxXx> i need the german irc for ubuntu pls ?
[21:38] <ikonia> Sh4DoxXx: #ubuntu-de
[21:38] <Sh4DoxXx> thx
[21:38] <MirkoKa> JessicaW: you might try a "kill -HUP <pid>" if that fails too, then you either have to wait (for a long time probably), or wait till you can reboot
[21:38] <Monotoko> Sh4DoxXx, #ubuntu-de
[21:38] <Monotoko> oops
[21:39] <pepee> Pickles, do you have grub2?
[21:39] <M4d3L1> hi. what is the best way to copie everything starting from root / on a ftp in command line?
[21:39] <emanuele_> pyboy, it changes when I got a screensaver
[21:39] <Pickles> pepee why would i need grub if im running from inside windows?
[21:40] <JessicaW> MirkoKa: that worked.
[21:40] <ztag100> Anyone know good video editing software?
[21:40] <pyboy> help emanuele_  someone
[21:40] <ztag100> I don't really like kdenlive
[21:40] <galerie> L3top now I am on a fresh install precise. but still cant use unity3D, if I check in system setting details it shows unknown for graphic
[21:40] <Psi-Jack> JessicaW: Really? HUP worked? Very odd.
[21:40] <JessicaW> now I received a message to manually run sudo dpkg --configure -a. ran it. it's working. thanks.
[21:40] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: I'm not sure why.
[21:41] <Psi-Jack> I guess dpkg interupts SIGKILL.
[21:41] <gr00ve> does anyone know where i can find a 32bit libpam for 12.04 amd64?  I have vpn software that requires it and cannot locate the package
[21:41] <L3top> one second...
[21:41] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: it just completed the interrupted installation with apt-get install -f
[21:41] <Guest58347> Hello everybody
[21:41] <pepee> Pickles, tried this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows#The_CD_image_approach
[21:42] <galerie> L3top:ok i'll wait ;-)
[21:42] <MirkoKa> Psi-Jack: no, SIGKILL cannot be ignored. not sure why HUP is distributed, but it worked for me several times when INT and stuff didn't
[21:42] <JessicaW> Psi-Jack: or not... it's giving errors. Lovely. dpkg: warning: files list file for package `tree' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[21:42] <leighman> get Cannot access PPA to get PPA information, please check your internet connection. when trying to add a ppa
[21:42] <leighman> is this a known issue atm?
[21:42] <pepee> Pickles, www.us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/  <- the needed files
[21:43] <L3top> galerie: yes, both my radeon and fglrx say the same.
[21:43] <pepee> leighman, check if it exists
[21:43] <leighman> https://launchpad.net/~sparkers/+archive/daily
[21:43] <jamiejackson> I (as my personal login) want to always be able to write to any future subdirectories of /var/www. What's the right way to make this happen? I can change the group, but that doesn't influence new files or subdirectories.
[21:44] <galerie> L3top: any solution for this? its works fine when I'am on oneiric with proprietary driver before
[21:44] <taherAbdo_> ho there
[21:44] <taherAbdo_> hi*
[21:44] <taherAbdo_> i have a problem  in my new ubuntu 12.04
[21:44] <leighman> man just copy pasta'd and it worked
[21:44] <leighman> cheers pepee
[21:44] <pepee> leighman, what ubuntu version? check this http://ppa.launchpad.net/sparkers/daily/ubuntu/dists/
[21:44] <Pickles> doesn't make sense, i installed 10.04 and 11.04 this way without issues
[21:45] <pyboy> taherAbdo_: what is the problem
[21:45] <pepee> leighman, ahh k, good then :P
[21:45] <Pickles> on the same pc
[21:45] <L3top> galerie: I am not aware of one... I will poke around though.
[21:45] <taherAbdo_> the system doesn't make me a permitted user for almost all the programs .... says permission dynied
[21:45] <taherAbdo_> can anyone help?
[21:45] <pepee> Pickles, well, if it's not working, you should find an alternative...
[21:45] <normatif> JessicaW: sorry, I thought it was a release upgrade... that's what people come to ask nowadays mostly
[21:46] <ejv> !sudo | taherAbdo_
[21:46] <Standarshy> I'm having trouble with my it's an intel 4965abgn wireless card.  It works fine in windows.   It works super slowly to the point where it is nearly unuseable.colin, yes.   The strange thing is, the wireless works fast for about 5 seconds after I connect, then really slow.
[21:46] <galerie> L3top: ok and tnx very much for your respond. I will search another option for a while. but I'm no geek. tnx again
[21:46] <pyboy> taherAbdo_: are you  the owner of your main account i am guessing you  are
[21:47] <JessicaW> normatif: it's ok. yeah, this is a production server so... won't be upgrading to precise pangolin....
[21:47] <pooltable> ok got setting mamnger up what do i need to change to fix it ?
[21:47] <taherAbdo_> ubottu : when i use sudo it runs ok , but in the gui doesn't ,
[21:48] <taherAbdo_> the system doesn't make me a permitted user for almost all the programs .... says permission dynied
[21:48] <pepee> gr00ve what's the package name?
[21:49] <pooltable> xcfe help?
[21:49] <minimec> jamiejackson: add yourself to the apache2 group in /etc/group, give the apache2 group erad/write access to /var/www and the files.
[21:50] <normatif> taherAbdo_: which program?
[21:50] <taherAbdo_> please , anyone aswer me
[21:50] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: what programs?
[21:50] <pepee> pooltable, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63147  ?
[21:50] <taherAbdo_> mirkoka: for example pidgin
[21:50] <pepee> !sudo | taherAbdo_
[21:50] <taherAbdo_> and root directory
[21:51] <taherAbdo_> but in terminal i use sudo it goes well
[21:51] <fusk> How long should there go before you ask the same question again ?
[21:51] <pyboy> sorry for my bad words people
[21:51] <pepee> taherAbdo_, you need to run pidgin with sudo?
[21:51] <taherAbdo_> peppe : yes
[21:51] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: access to / or /root is not permitted and that's good so, pidgin should work. what is th e precise error message you get from pidgin?
[21:51] <pepee> taherAbdo_, your system is broken...
[21:52] <pepee> taherAbdo_, how did you install pidgin?
[21:52] <warz> hi all. is it possible to make my machine's hostname resolve to <IP_ADDRESS>, using /etc/hosts, instead of the LAN IP? i have the following line in /etc/hosts, "<IP_ADDRESS> my-server.home my-server", but running the command "host my-server" still resolves to the LAN IP
[21:52] <ztag100> anyone?
[21:52] <taherAbdo_> from software center
[21:53] <pyboy> ztag100: what
[21:53] <taherAbdo_> mirkoka : no responce
[21:53] <MirkoKa> warz: in /etc/hosts: "<IP_ADDRESS>	localhost your_hostname"
[21:53] <pyboy> ztag100: what is wrong
[21:53] <ztag100> pyboy: anyone know good video editing software?
[21:53] <ztag100> I don't really like kdenlive
[21:53] <fusk> hello. Is it a known problem that 11.10 or 12.04 freezes after sleep on notebooks ?
[21:53] <pyboy> ztag100: try open shot
[21:54] <pepee> taherAbdo_, please paste the error in pastebin
[21:54] <DoctorPepper> hi guys !!!
[21:54] <pooltable> pepee ok what is the fastest way to go from window to window when i click on link i do not see chatzilla any more?
[21:54] <ztag100> Alright, I'll try that
[21:54] <Monotoko> fusk, do you have the restricted drivers installed?
[21:54] <pepee> pooltable, alt-tab?
[21:54] <fusk> Monotoko, sec
[21:54] <pyboy> ztag100:got to the software center and type open shot ok
[21:54] <pepee> pooltable, asked in #xubuntu ?
[21:55] <pooltable> pepee: 	[INFO]	There is nothing to tab-complete. Use F6 to cycle through the user list, input box and the chat output.
[21:55] <taherAbdo_> pepee : no respoce pops up for me in the GUI but in the terminal "permission dynied comes up
[21:55] <ztag100> It's a package, just using apt-get
[21:55] <warz> MirkoKa: does not seem to work
[21:55] <ztag100> (not a big fan of software center)
[21:55] <pepee> ztag100, http://alternativeto.net/software/kdenlive/
[21:55] <warz> do i have to reboot, or just log out
[21:55] <pyboy> ztag100:that is not the full name use the software center
[21:55] <FutuRE_alex> 4to za huinu vi zdesb pishite?
[21:56] <pepee> pooltable, ? no alt+tab?
[21:56] <pooltable> pepee i am trying no luck yet
[21:56] <ztag100> But, I already got it
[21:56] <pooltable> [INFO]	There is nothing to tab-complete. Use F6 to cycle through the user list, input box and the chat output.pepee:
[21:56] <pooltable> that what is say when i alt tab
[21:56] <pepee> pooltable, that's from the console, no?
[21:56] <pyboy> ztag100:ok you have open  shot
[21:56] <pooltable> pepee:
[21:57] <taherAbdo_> pepee : no respoce pops up for me in the GUI but in the terminal "permission dynied" comes up
[21:57] <pepee> pooltable, I think you should reconfigure xfce, or be using some other window manager...
[21:57] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: I suspect that there are some files in your home who don't belong to you. try running this command (without the quotes of course):      "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER"
[21:57] <pepee> pooltable, try lxde :P
[21:57] <fusk> Monotoko, i don't know, i have jockey-gtk, but don't know if that is what you are referring to.
[21:57] <pooltable> pepee i can not see the console yes i need help on some setting that is mess up i no not see the top of it
[21:58] <pooltable> pepee how do i do that ?
[21:58] <Gosset_Inofensiu> FYI: Gnome-panel / Gnome-classic / Gnome-fallback     RULEZZZZZZZ
[21:58] <DoctorPepper> can anyone help me , i have a wierd issue with the global menu. basically i am running a kde session   , the menus get exported to the menubar panel though  in some gtk  such as gedit the menu gets exported but  also stay visible   on the application window  . for example the problem happens when i use gedit  but not  when i use gimp
[21:58] <MirkoKa> warz: shoudl work ;-) what problem do you face exactly?
[21:58] <pepee> taherAbdo_, in the console: ls -l $(which pidgin)
[21:58] <Monotoko> fusk, if you hit the button in the top right, system settings then "Additional Drivers" it will tell you
[21:59] <Monotoko> it's usually those that cause Ubuntu not to come back up after sleep
[21:59] <pooltable> pepee reconfigure xfce is what i want to do but how?
[21:59] <kasii>  i need ubuntu driver for the touchpad dell vostro 1015
[21:59] <pepee> pooltable, ypu don't see the console? alt+f2 , then type xterm
[21:59] <pepee> kasii, for what? wifi?
[22:00] <kasii> pepee, touchpad
[22:00] <fusk> Monotoko, says there is none in use on this system.
[22:00] <wad> I've copied an image over to a remote machine, that someone else is using right now (from X), with ssh. I'd like to open this jpg up on that machine, so he can see the image. But when I do "mimeopen image.jpg" in my ssh, it complains about the display. Is it possible to do this? Is there some magic?
[22:00] <pooltable> pepee i an bring it up but i can not move it to see what i am typeing at all
[22:00] <pepee> kasii, touchpad should be working
[22:00] <nowimproved1> just upgraded to the latest version of ubuntu, my resolution only goes to 800x600, i dont thnk my nviida driver is working
[22:01] <taherAbdo_> pepee:-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1036608 Apr  7 22:29 /usr/bin/pidgin
[22:01] <kasii> pepee, its working but missing some functionality
[22:02] <stowoda> hi, I have erased my / partition and only home is left..  I have no permissions to some files in my ubuntu home directory when using the live cd. is there a way to get access to these files?
[22:02] <crash82> stowoda,  sudo su -
[22:03] <taherAbdo_> pepee:-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1036608 Apr  7 22:29 /usr/bin/pidgin
[22:03] <pepee> crash82, stowoda, use sudo -i
[22:03] <pepee> taherAbdo_, yes, I read
[22:03] <stowoda> crash82,  hmm, will it ask me for my former password?
[22:03] <pepee> taherAbdo_, press alt+f2 , then type pidgin
[22:03] <taherAbdo_> pepee: i afraid my system is broken
[22:03] <shallwe> hi guys
[22:04] <kasii> pepee, what about ,e
[22:04] <stowoda> ok will try that. thx so far
[22:04] <kasii> pepee, what about me
[22:04] <pyboy> taherAbdo_: backup and do a reinstall
[22:04] <shallwe> someone has problem in connect empathy in windows live account?
[22:04] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: the line you posted is fully normal and correct! have you tried the command I gave you?
[22:04] <taherAbdo_> peppe: Exiting because another libpurple client is already running.
[22:05] <Scunizi> .
[22:05] <kasii> pepee, what about me
[22:05] <pepee> pooltable, ctrl+alt+f2, there you have a console. try reconfiguring xfce from there. use dpkg --reconfigure -a
[22:05] <wassy121> So, I tried upgrading to ubuntu 12, and now nothing works.  Absolutely nothing.  nm-applet won't load, can't get it online, had to boot into an old kernel because of missing modules.dep
[22:05]  * Scunizi Wow.. 1800+ in the channel.. Must be a new release ;)
[22:05] <pepee> kasii, my advice is not to mess with that...
[22:05] <wassy121> it's messy.  Can someone help me get this under control?
[22:06] <L3top> galerie: what does /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p          result in?    (if you have pastebinit installed please add | pastebinit to the end)
[22:06] <pepee> taherAbdo_, what other programs show that error ? all of them?
[22:06] <pepee> taherAbdo_, did you run startx as root?
[22:06] <taherAbdo_> don't know
[22:06] <taherAbdo_> pepee:don't know
[22:07] <pepee> wassy121, reconfigure packages with dpkg
[22:07] <pepee> wassy121, check if apt-get or dpkg are broken
[22:07] <pepee> taherAbdo_, try some random program...
[22:08] <taherAbdo_> pepee: ok
[22:08] <Sample> top shows compiz as taking up 30% of my cpu at all times, is this abnormal?
[22:08] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: please reboot, then after login, open a terminal and run the command "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER" (without the quotes), then see if pidgin works again.
[22:08] <taherAbdo_> pepee: gparted "permission dynied"
[22:09] <pepee> taherAbdo_, do what MirkoKa said
[22:09] <wassy121> pepee: yeah, looks like the hard part was just getting it online.  Once I did, I'm going through an apt-get -f upgrade, and it looks like it might be trying to work
[22:09] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: you cannot run gparted as a normal user. don't confuse your normal user with the adminstarator, and please try my suggestion :-)
[22:10] <taherAbdo_> pepee: whta did he say
[22:10] <taherAbdo_> ?
[22:10] <wassy121> wonder why the 3.2 kernel didn't have any modules.dep in /lib/modules/*3.2*/ ...
 taherAbdo_: please reboot, then after login, open a terminal and run the command "sudo chown -R
[22:10] <nowimproved1> my resolution wont go up, when i type dmesg it says [   49.354277] NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!
[22:10] <pepee> wassy121, broken update?
[22:11] <pepee> wassy121, again, try to fix things using your package manager, or dpkg and apt-get
[22:11] <taherAbdo_> mirkoka: ok thank U
[22:11] <pepee> nowimproved1, what graphics card?
[22:11] <pepee> nowimproved1, and cpu?
[22:11] <Sample> Q: top shows compiz as taking up 30% of my cpu at all times, is this abnormal?
[22:11] <wassy121> pepee: maybe.  Unfortunate that it broke everything so hard.  I'm trying to fix it that way.  It's just tough when it stumps me after working with this stuff for 10+ years :-/
[22:12] <pepee> Sample, depends on your graphics card,I suppose
[22:12] <Sample> pepee: what does your show?
[22:12] <pyboy> answer Sample somebody,cant help Sample sorry
[22:12] <pepee> wassy121, I've fixed ubuntu by using them, so it's should be fine
[22:13] <OerHeks> kasii, what functions are you missing ?
[22:13] <Fyodorovna> Sample, seems high you might also try #compiz
[22:13] <Sample> ah good idea, will do
[22:14] <pepee> wassy121, try sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get safe-upgrade
[22:14] <mikester01> anyone experienced with KVM here today? Trying to set up a network bridge and I'm not having any success.
[22:14] <pepee> wassy121, err upgrade, without the safe-
[22:14] <ztag100> pyboy, Thanks, openshoot is WAY better then kdenlive
[22:15] <pepee> ok guys, gotta go
[22:15] <L3top> Take it easy pepee
[22:16] <kasii> OerHeks, scrolling up and down
[22:16] <normatif> wassy121: same here, inplace upgrade to 12.04 failed for me too
[22:16] <campee> is there an equivalent to the "rpm -qf filename" command in ubuntu? i.e. find out which package owns a particular file
[22:16] <pyboy> ztag100: no problem
[22:16] <abdo> hey
[22:16] <abdo> good afternoon
[22:16] <wassy121> campee: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[22:17] <L3top>  taherAbdo_: pepee's copy paste was cut short "please reboot, then after login, open a terminal and run the command "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER"       without the quotes
[22:17] <pyboy> abdo: what is the problem
[22:17] <abdo> can anyone help im new user of ubuntu]
[22:17] <wassy121> abdo: Don't ask to ask.  Just ask
[22:17] <abdo> how can i use uxterm
[22:18] <wassy121> abdo: as-in, you have it open, and you want to know how to use it?
[22:18] <abdo> yeah
[22:18] <f0x> how can i enable systray in gnome-session-fallback 12.04
[22:18] <f0x> ?
[22:18] <campee> wassy121: thank you
[22:18] <wassy121> abdo: type "ls" at the command prompt
[22:18] <abdo> what about ubuntu 12.4
[22:19] <wassy121> abdo: what about it?
[22:19] <mikester01> anyone experienced with KVM here today? Trying to set up a network bridge and I'm not having any success. Following the steps in https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#bridging doesn't seem to work for me.
[22:19] <kasii> OerHeks, scrolling up and down
[22:19] <pyboy> abdo: use a terminal not xterm
[22:20] <wassy121> pyboy: uxterm is a terminal, just like gnome-terminal, uxterm, eterm, and all the others
[22:20] <pyboy> abdo: press ctrl +alt+t to open a terminal
[22:20] <f0x> can anyone tell me how can i enable systray
[22:20] <dysoco> If I want to develop Java Software (Also Android) using Eclipse, what should I install ? OpenJDK or Oracle JDK?
[22:20] <f0x> in gnome-session-fallback
[22:20] <f0x> 12.04
[22:21] <abdo> i know how to open it but i couldnt know how to use it
[22:21] <wassy121> dysoco: I've found openjdk to be just fine for almost all circumstances
[22:21] <dysoco> wassy121, Thanks then
[22:21] <wassy121> abdo: what do you want to do with it?  Type commands and hit enter.  Try "ls"
[22:21] <wassy121> abdo: try "man man"
[22:22] <kasii> OerHeks, scrolling up and down
[22:22] <pyboy> abdo: ls lists out the files
[22:22] <abdo> i see command not found "man man"
[22:22] <wassy121> abdo: don't need quotes.
[22:22] <abdo> ok
[22:22] <wassy121> abdo: try here for some common commands: http://infohost.nmt.edu/tcc/help/unix/unix_cmd.html
[22:23] <BFranks> After updating my Ubuntu 11.x to 12.04 (running on an ESX server) I found myself with no xorg.conf  so I tried copying xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf and that got me back into xwindows.. But Unity is SO unhappy and the speed is just a crawl.. Need some advice on killing Unity fully?
[22:23] <f0x> how can i enable systray?
[22:23] <taherabdo> mirkoka: please i missed the line of code yo send
[22:23] <BFranks> (or getting some diagnostics) Thanks! :)
[22:23] <taherabdo> mirkoka : sorry
[22:23] <pooltable> pepee got it fix thanks
[22:23] <MirkoKa> mikester01: so many thing can possible go wrong there^^ did you correcly adjust the IP numbers? is eth0 correct or is it  eth1? is your eth* connected to router (or other PC) which is off, etc. did you tell KVM to use the bridge interface? While we could help, I guess the KVM folks would be a better place to ask. :-)
[22:23] <abdo> let me check the command man man what is it about
[22:23] <pyboy> abdo: touch creats a text document and mkdir creates a folder i cant tell you all  the commands there is to much
[22:23] <OerHeks> kasii, i used to set gesture with gpointing-device-settings, i am not sure it still works
[22:24] <wassy121> BFranks: sometimes the upgrade silently doesn't finish.  Try to make sure "sudo apt-get -f upgrade" finishes successfully
[22:24] <pyboy> abdo: it is a start
[22:24] <wassy121> BFranks: And I think nowadays you can go without the xorg.conf ?  Not positive on that front
[22:24] <crash82> pepee, thanks :)
[22:24] <MirkoKa> taherAbdo_: please reboot, then after login, open a terminal and run the command "sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /home/$USER" (without the quotes), then see if pidgin works again. ^^
[22:25] <taherabdo> mirkoka: please i missed the line of code yo send
[22:25] <herpladee> hey guys i am having some problems with dns .. basically it is not working but using IPs instead IS working .. funny thing is that i have a windows computer on the same network that isn't experiencing these problems
[22:25] <herpladee> i've rebooted my ubuntu and turned my wireless card on and off
[22:25] <kasii> OerHeks,  so wat can do right now
[22:25] <wassy121> herpladee: check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[22:25] <herpladee> but dns keeps not working while everything else works
[22:25] <zoltan__> hi can you help me, wifi not working  on 12.04
[22:25] <herpladee> wassy121, that file is empty
[22:25] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: did you see it now?
[22:25] <mikester01> MirkoKa, ultimately what I'm doing now is outside of KVM...the issue is getting the actual bridge set up
[22:25] <wassy121> herpladee: it may be you have bad entries in there, or none.  Try this: "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:26] <wassy121> herpladee: that is Google's (?) public DNS server
[22:26] <stercor> Have all the reports of 12.04LTS been good?
[22:26] <abdo> i need time to check this command and what is benfits
[22:26] <taherabdo> mirkoka: chown: cannot access `/home/taher/.gvfs': Permission denied
[22:26] <herpladee> i used to have opendns there but i deleted them when my dns stopped working but that didn't solve the problem
[22:26] <herpladee> wow lol that worked!
[22:26] <wassy121> herpladee: :)
[22:27] <pyboy> abdo: any commands you want just ask
[22:27] <herpladee> thanks a lot :)
[22:27] <herpladee> i've been messing with this for like an hour now
[22:27] <abdo> thanks a lot
[22:27] <nafta> hello, anyone know how could I run all php files in a directory with run-parts? I'm trying to do... run-parts /usr/bin/php /var/www/cron but it says run-parts: missing operand
[22:28] <wassy121> nafta: run-parts isn't meant for that use.  What are you trying to do?
[22:28] <L3top> zoltan what is the wifi hardware? (check lspci)
[22:28] <wassy121> nafta: I think run-parts is part of the cron package itself.  I would try writing a small script, and put that in /etc/cron.d/
[22:28] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: that's Ok. The .gvfs directory is special. please try pidgin now.
[22:29] <nafta> wassy121 I'm trying to create a cronjob to run all the files in a directory...so in my crontab I have something like * * * * * run-parts /usr/bin/php /var/www/tweet_tnc/cron/
[22:29] <taherabdo> mirkoka: ok
[22:29] <wassy121> nafta: a script that does something like "for file in `ls /var/www/cron/`; do php $file; done"
[22:30] <nafta> wassy121 can I actually use that exact piece of code you wrote bro?
[22:30] <nafta> and how could I tell it to run like....every single minute
[22:30] <wassy121> nafta: pretty close, yes.  Directory needs to be changed, but that is the right syntax
[22:30] <wassy121> nafta: I would put it in a shell script in like /home/blah/scripts/run-crons.sh .
[22:31] <taherabdo> mirkoka: ok , pidgin is runing now nice but , root directory sill "permission dynied"
[22:31] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[22:31] <wassy121> nafta: and have run-crons.sh be an executable file that just says what I wrote above
[22:32] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[22:32] <maca> Hi. SOmeone use yacy??
[22:32] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: great, I belive we have fixed your problem. access to the root directory is always permitted for a normal user. why do you think you need access to it?
[22:32] <L3top> You should not parse the output of ls in scripts... and $(command) is preferred over the older `command` see http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
[22:32] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: s/permitted/denied/
[22:33] <wassy121> nafta: l3top is right.  Specifically because ls doesn't translate spaces and special characters right
[22:33] <SolarisBoy> heh
[22:33] <mathor> gksu  nautilus  <directory name>
[22:33] <taherabdo> mirkoka: i thought i'm in the sudo user generally, so i can access it
[22:33] <mathor> that will give you root permission
[22:33] <wassy121> maybe something like "find /var/www/cron -name "*.php" -exec php {} \;"
[22:33] <pyboy> SolarisBoy: hi
[22:33] <SolarisBoy> its multiple ways to handle spaces
[22:34] <SolarisBoy> its more so bash or your shell than ls thats not interpreing it properly
[22:34] <SolarisBoy> hi pyboy
[22:34] <pyboy> SolarisBoy: what is your problem
[22:34] <SolarisBoy> i dont have one currently
[22:34] <SolarisBoy> you?
[22:35] <RageRiot> I've posted some of my troubles on the forums if anyone could take a look thanks :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1969821
[22:35] <pyboy> SolarisBoy: no problems
[22:35] <mathor> just type in "gksu nautilus"  and go to the folder you want, that will open your file manager in root
[22:35] <abdo> info:amaork
[22:35] <nafta> wassy121 Could not open input file: feed_0.php
[22:35] <nafta> that's after running the script
[22:36] <nafta> and that file is 777
[22:36] <wassy121> nafta: never 777 :(  755 at most please
[22:36] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[22:36] <wassy121> nafta: I think my find command I gave above is a bit better.  Takes "for" and "ls" out of the picture
[22:37] <SolarisBoy> while
[22:37] <nafta> wait..didn't catch it
[22:37] <SolarisBoy> while read handles spaces..
[22:37] <SolarisBoy> xargs also if used with find properly
[22:37] <wassy121> while read is even more wieldy than find -exec :-/
[22:37] <fusk> hello. Is it a known problem that 11.10 or 12.04 freezes after sleep on notebooks ?
[22:38] <pooltable> ok the console is all black i do not see the system name at all how to fix?
[22:38] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[22:38] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: well, yes, no, sort of. what you are is a "main user" (windows speak). you  are still a normal user who doesn't have access to the system files for example. but as you are a main user who is allowed to use sudo you can turn yourself into the admin user root. in other words, you don't have access to the system files unless you insist on it by using sudo.
[22:38] <SolarisBoy> -exec is executing command for each entry found
[22:38] <SolarisBoy> and juggling the name in '{}'
[22:38] <SolarisBoy> so depending on how you word find and exec and how you use while determines the usability of both
[22:38] <ThePendulum> Greetings
[22:39] <L3top> SolarisBoy: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs  will also explain specifically why you should not use while, and instead find, as wassy121 corrected.
[22:39] <ThePendulum> Everytime I open up my laptop (from sleepmode/hibernation), the resolution is messed op. Is this a known problem?
[22:39] <ThePendulum> Not just the resolution, overall graphics are odd.
[22:40] <SolarisBoy> why should that mean not to use while?
[22:40] <pyboy> ThePendulum: what version you running
[22:40] <abdo> please i need command that will install freenode
[22:40] <SolarisBoy> or rather to handle unexpected situations if you use while?
[22:40] <ThePendulum> pyboy: The latest, 12.04
[22:40] <SolarisBoy> your talking ease
[22:40] <wassy121> abdo: you're on freenode?
[22:40] <SolarisBoy> still
[22:41] <JessicaW> what are the two numbers at the end of the line in fstab for?
[22:41] <wassy121> abdo: so what do you need?
[22:41] <pyboy> abdo: type sudo apt-get install  freenode
[22:41] <abdo> yeah i ve another pc
[22:41] <wassy121> JessicaW: they are for "pass" and "fsck" if I recall correctly
[22:41] <pyboy> lol
[22:41] <JessicaW> wassy121: that's what aI was thinking too.
[22:41] <nafta> wassy121 that last script runs fantastic
[22:41] <nafta> thanks a lot to both
[22:41] <lauratika> is there a way to show rhythmbox icon in panel on 12.04?
[22:41] <wassy121> JessicaW: man fstab tells it like it is.  dump and pass
[22:41] <JessicaW> wassy121: why would you want to fsck a network mounted disk at every reboot?
[22:42] <wassy121> JessicaW: you don't
[22:42] <shallwe> AMD Dual-Core E-350 with ati, is it working with 3d?
[22:42] <SolarisBoy> you dont
[22:42] <SolarisBoy> generally network mounts are set to NOT fsk
[22:42] <SolarisBoy> *fsck
[22:42] <nafta> wassy121 so basically...in my crontab -e I can add * * * * * * /home/myscript
[22:42] <MirkoKa> JessicaW:  see man fstab for the explanation of the fs_freq and fs_passno options
[22:42] <nafta> and that's it...right?
[22:42] <SolarisBoy> no
[22:42] <wassy121> nafta: that's right.
[22:42] <JessicaW> SolarisBoy: the ubuntu wiki says to put 0 1 for a windows share but I don't think that's right.
[22:42] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[22:43] <nafta> wassy121 mind my asking...that crontab thing is always running by default? or do i have to activate it? in case I restart the server etc?
[22:43] <JessicaW> pretty sure it should be 0 0
[22:43] <coldlogic> new to this. how do i join another channel?
[22:43] <pyboy> abdo: you are on freenode what are you talking about
[22:43] <wassy121> coldlogic: /j #channelname
[22:43] <L3top> Because while does not terminate filenames with nulls given from ls is my understanding SolarisBoy.
[22:43] <taherabdo> mirkoka: thanQ very much, but can you expalin the command please
[22:43] <doktah> Can someone please tell me how I run a program from applications menu as an administrator?
[22:43] <pyboy> codepal: type /join #channelname
[22:43] <SolarisBoy> L3top: dump is for backups pass is for fsck
[22:43] <JessicaW> nafta: it's always running
[22:43] <SolarisBoy> i don't know if you should be setting archive bits on windows FS
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> do you even use dump to back things up?
[22:44] <Hilikus> i'm using ubuntu software center to update virtualbox's .deb package. I clicked install but there is no feedback, how can i know if its working or stuck or it's finished?
[22:44] <abdo> yeah im sure im on freenode but i ve another pc . pz help
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> if not than it shouldn't matter either or
[22:44] <wassy121> nafta: it should always be running.  It's a system service that you probably wouldn't ever turn off.
[22:44] <JessicaW> nafta: once you put something in crontab, crontab will run it forever. as long as your application is working.
[22:44] <Hilikus> this software center program looks pretty bad to me
[22:44] <L3top> I am referring just to bash scripting SolarisBoy, you asked why, that is the answer as I understand it. I am not a bash expert, I am just trying to improve bad habits.
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> yea but thats 6 entries for time slots
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> there are 5 in cron
[22:44] <SolarisBoy> so its wrong
[22:45] <SolarisBoy> L3top: i see
[22:45] <wassy121> abdo: Oh, you want a linux IRC client.  Try x-chat.  You can find it in the software center
[22:45] <pyboy> codlogic:type /join #chnnelname
[22:45] <f0x> can anybody help me with systray enabling?
[22:45] <SolarisBoy> L3top: it depends on IFS
[22:45] <pyboy> codlogic:type /join #channelname
[22:45] <SolarisBoy> and you can set that accordingly to what you expect to receive in most cases, but as explained there are more than one way to cut a frog in linux
[22:46] <lauratika> please?
[22:46] <wassy121> IFS = Inter-Field-Separator for those spectating this nerd-fest about how to parse output
[22:46] <wassy121> :)
[22:46] <SolarisBoy> ;>
[22:46] <L3top> ")
[22:46] <SolarisBoy> right its a global property i think that defaults to some space character
[22:46] <sirknight> how and where do i get the 12.04 torrant.. imm at the ubuntu site
[22:46] <taherabdo> mirkoka: thanQ very much, but can you expalin the command please
[22:46] <pyboy> abdo: want help ask me anything
[22:47] <Sm1th> @codlogic: if you are using xchat as your client you cna click on Server in the menu bar and click channel list
[22:48] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: change the file owner (chown) to your user $USER (and your user group, $USER again) recursively (-R) for all files and directories in your home (/home/$USER). since there might be files which you don't have accces to, run it as the admin account "root" using the sudo command. Does that clear it up a little?
[22:48] <wassy121> lauratika: I think rythymbox applet has been combined with volume applet
[22:48] <wassy121> lauratika: try under the speaker icon
[22:48] <MirkoKa> !patince | taherabdo
[22:48] <vexaxv> i feel stupid for asking but where is the effin dim settings for 12.04
[22:49] <SolarisBoy> why?
[22:49] <lauratika> it is there but i want it like any ofther application on the panel
[22:49] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[22:49] <linuxloony89> Hi all, has anyone had any luck getting there iphone 4s working on 12.04
[22:49] <taherabdo> mirkoka: yeap , thanQ
[22:50] <SolarisBoy> i dont think ill be upgrading for a while =(
[22:50] <pyboy> kasii: give him time i know you have been waiting for a long time go  for something to eat
[22:51] <Sm1th> For someone new to Ubuntu what are the first things I should do after a fresh install.  I checked sound and wifi, they are good.  i installed xchat hoping for some guidance. :)
[22:51] <KM0201> SolarisBoy: upgrading what?
[22:51] <SolarisBoy> ubuntu versions
[22:51] <wassy121> Sm1th: Install chrome, chrome-to-phone, flash plugin, umm . ..
[22:51] <wassy121> make sure your 3d works
[22:51] <KM0201> SolarisBoy: what are you using now, and why not?
[22:51] <SolarisBoy> 11.10
[22:51] <mbucko> is there a simple way to replace unity with gnome?
[22:51] <SolarisBoy> because it works fine.
[22:52] <Sm1th> wassy121: how would i check if my 3d is working?
[22:52] <iceroot> Sm1th: enjoying is he first you should do
[22:52] <KM0201> SolarisBoy: then thats fine.. just make sure you don't let it go EOL before you upgrade.
[22:52] <OerHeks> kasii sorry just had to went away, did you see the last message about gpointing-device-settings
[22:52] <SolarisBoy> KM0201: i generally dont
[22:52] <linuxloony89> set up email address in thunderbird and start thinking about what software you need on your install
[22:52] <Sm1th> it is quite nice iceroot. :)
[22:52] <SolarisBoy> last time that happend was 8.x days =)
[22:52] <KM0201> SolarisBoy: whats wrong w/ 12.04? (or is it there's just nothing wrong w/ 11.10?)
[22:52] <DarwinSurvivor> Sm1th: it kind of depends what you will be using the computer for. is it an internet/email machine, a gaming rig, a school/work computer, etc?
[22:52] <pyboy> Sm1th: what are you going to use for
[22:53] <iceroot> Sm1th: nice to hear that
[22:53] <Sm1th> its just a laptop that i will be tinkering with and learning the ins and outs of linux
[22:53] <SolarisBoy> nothing that i know of yet - i use ubuntu at home for a desktop and at work for a desktop/laptop - so i seriously dont need/want any unexpected breakage of things in either - i generally like to monitor the threads, see whats going on etc before i just up and upgrade anyhow
[22:53] <Sm1th> i personally prefer mozilla over chrome... and all my email is browser based.
[22:54] <pyboy> Sm1th: do you wanna learn the commandline aka the terminal
[22:54] <DarwinSurvivor> Sm1th: alright. to check 3d, install a 3d game like tremoulus, urbanterror, etc and see if it's laggy.
[22:54] <Sm1th> i have a little bit of experience with the terminal
[22:54] <ed_money> I am trying to remove all files that start with 'ex', and end with any number of digits, eg: 'ex1', 'ex23', etc. I've tried things like 'rm -rf ex[0-9]\+\$' with no luck. Tips?
[22:54] <SolarisBoy> my friend was chugging along on the update before i left the office today - planned to check with him how it went tomorrow'ish - if its ok - that may prompt me to update faster
[22:54] <L3top> SolarisBoy: quick pm?
[22:54] <SolarisBoy> sure why not.
[22:54] <taherabdo> mirkoka: thanQ
[22:55] <pyboy> bye homeies
[22:55] <Sm1th> ok darwin i like the sound of urban terror. lol ill try that thanks
[22:55] <DarwinSurvivor> Sm1th: no problem
[22:56] <sirknight> how and where do i get the 12.04 torrant.. imm at the ubuntu site
[22:56] <tridentfish> Hi can some one help me with xchat?
[22:56] <MirkoKa> ed_money: the shell doesn't do regex, but simpler globbing. try "rm -rf ex*[0-9]" or similar (try with echo first to be sure you have the pattern right!)
[22:56] <ThePendulum> tridentfish: What seems to be the problem?
[22:57] <Fyodorovna> sirknight, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[22:57] <tridentfish> I want to user the chat room for Enlightenment irc and well what do I do?
[22:57] <ThePendulum> Could anyone help me with some issues? Anyone available?
[22:57] <Dirigible> I am logged into 11.10 using LDAP authentication. The bar at the top does not offer me a Log Out option. How do I log out?
[22:58] <ed_money> MirkoKa: the shell doesn't do regex? huh, thought it did. thanks for the tip.
[22:58] <SolarisBoy> shopt -s extglob || is pretty cool
[22:58] <ThePendulum> DigitalFlux: There's no little gear, or your name?
[22:58] <SolarisBoy> @ ed_money
[22:58] <amaroks> Hello
[22:58] <Sm1th> DarwinSurvivor: i could not find urbanterror but im installing openarena.
[22:58] <SolarisBoy> bash goes globbing
[22:58] <SolarisBoy> lol
[22:58] <amaroks> whats wrong with this rule?  iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp -d <IP_ADDRESS> –dport 25 -j ACCEPT
[22:58] <tridentfish> I do not understand IRC much at all I know basically is how to go threw different chat rooms.
[22:59] <SolarisBoy> amaroks: what is it intended to do?
[22:59] <MirkoKa> taherabdo: my pleasure :-)
[22:59] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: Assuming you are talking to me, when I click my name I'm offered other local user accounts, Switch User Account.. Online Accounts.. and User Accounts..
[22:59] <SolarisBoy> it seems to be "trying" to let tcp traffic out TO port 25...
[22:59] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: Whops, mismentioned, I'm sorry. There isn't a gear on the right of it?
[22:59] <amaroks> SolarisBoy: yes i blocked it by accident yesterday
[23:00] <amaroks> and Now want it allow it back but i get  bad argument -dport
[23:00] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: Hmm, there might be, but it might go off the edge of the screen.
[23:00] <Dirigible> amaroks: --dport
[23:00] <Dirigible> Two dashes.
[23:00] <DarwinSurvivor> !torrent | sirknight
[23:00] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: You should tweak your screen then... Isn't there an 'Auto' button on the screen?
[23:00] <DarwinSurvivor> oops
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> sirknight: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-downloads
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> Sm1th: another goog game
[23:01] <tridentfish> So no help I take it?
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> amaroks: ok
[23:01] <x-tab> hi
[23:01] <SolarisBoy> amaroks: correct those are long options so --dport
[23:01] <x-tab> ciao
[23:01] <ThePendulum> tridentfish: I use Pidgin for IRC, so I'm afraid I can't help you with other clients. Try their channels
[23:01] <x-tab> i'm ita
[23:01] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: #ubuntu is not an irc help channel
[23:01] <sirknight> thanks guys for the help...  and where do i get the dvd size?
[23:01] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: I don't think it's letting me change resolution..
[23:02] <amaroks> SolarisBoy: actually i have it -- not one
[23:02] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: if you are looking for help with a particular irc program, which one are you using. if you want general irc information, please see #irc
[23:02] <sirknight> tridentfish,  what do you need??
[23:02] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: A resolution setting usually doesn't get things behind the edge of your screen, it usually screens within the viewport. Is the gear visible on a screenshot?
[23:02] <SolarisBoy> amaroks: ok
[23:03] <tridentfish> To connect to the IRC for  Enlightenment.
[23:03] <JamesB> So... I just moved my netbook from 10.04 to 12.04... and... where did all my applications go?
[23:03] <LinuxMonkey> that would be #e
[23:03] <JamesB> On the left there's something resembling a search feature but it sits there and does nothing no matter what I type into it, and then there's Firefox and like three icons?
[23:03] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: No, it isn't in a screenshot.
[23:03] <amaroks> how do I allow an output port for a specific ip?
[23:04] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: Odd, then it just isn't there. Could you show me the shot?
[23:04] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: most organizations that use IRC will post the server and channel name on their website somewhere.
[23:04] <fuzai> Has anyone been successful with an ltsp install with 12.04?  I've made this work many times before, but with the new 12.04 release I can't get my thin clients to boot and it seems like nbd-server isn't working
[23:04] <LinuxMonkey> tridentfish, are you using xchat? try /j #e
[23:04] <tridentfish> So what do I do with info?
[23:05] <tridentfish> I understand some of it but still confused.
[23:05] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: http://i.imgur.com/J8hQI.png
[23:05] <mrdeb> hi. who knows how to remove ubuntu firefox modication
[23:05] <kasii> OerHeks,  am waiting for u
[23:05] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: That's 12.04?
[23:06] <Dirigible> No, as I said, 11.10.
[23:06] <mrdeb> hello
[23:06] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: No, as I said, 11.10.
[23:06] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: for help with xchat, see #xchat-gnome. for help with irc, see #irc. This channel is for help with ubuntu-related issues
[23:06] <ThePendulum> Dirigible: Whops, my bad. Have you installed the display drivers?
[23:07] <Dirigible> I haven't, it's running in VMWare. When I log in locally everything is fine.
[23:07] <Dirigible> ThePendulum: I haven't, it's running in VMWare. When I log in locally everything is fine.
[23:07] <Dirigible> Keep forgetting to highlight.
[23:07] <tridentfish> Thanks most help for this place all month.
[23:08] <mrdeb> hi. who knows how to remove ubuntu firefox modication
[23:08] <MirkoKa> mrdeb: not sure how to remove it (remove ubutfox?), but can't you just disable the addon?
[23:08] <bluebomber> Firefox doesn't appear in my application switcher (ALT-TAB) anymore when it's open. Any ideas?
[23:08] <mrdeb> no i cant disable it MirkoKa
[23:08] <mrdeb> what is the name in apt
[23:09] <xangua> (18:08:41) mrdeb: no i cant disable it MirkoKa - i have just done that
[23:09] <mrdeb> how
[23:10] <doktah> Can someone please tell me how I run a program from applications menu as an administrator?
[23:10] <ThePendulum> When I reopen the lid of my laptop (with Ubuntu running), the screen display splits in half and the graphics get completely messed up. Any ideas?
[23:10] <ThePendulum> Only a reboot solves it
[23:10] <JamesB> Has anyone run into "Dash Home" not working at all on 12.04?
[23:11] <mrdeb> xangua: how
[23:11] <MACscr> can i log directly in as root into an ubuntu system when using an ssh key? Do i just need to set it to allow direct root access to ssh?
[23:11] <L3top> in most situations that is a bad idea doktah. what version ubuntu?
[23:11] <jellow> doktah: use gksu
[23:11] <xangua> mrdeb: on firefox addon tab
[23:11] <MirkoKa> mrdeb: if you can't disable it (why not), try removing the "ubufox" package. also pleas learn abot patience, there's no need to repeat the question every minute :-)
[23:11] <mrdeb> xangua: how do you remove it from apt
[23:11] <mrdeb> ok
[23:11] <mrdeb> thank you
[23:11] <jrib> MACscr: you can... why would you want to though?
[23:11] <xangua> mrdeb: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[23:12] <mrdeb> so its ubufox
[23:12] <MACscr> jrib: my remote management software wont do sudo as far as i know
[23:12] <jrib> MACscr: what software is that?
[23:12] <JamesB> Say, is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to a different distro without reinstalling?
[23:12] <ThePendulum> JamesB: A different Ubuntu distro, or a completely different one?
[23:12] <jrib> JamesB: umm, define "a different distro"
[23:13] <MACscr> jrib: cloudmin
[23:13] <JamesB> Well, for instance, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, possibly Debian etc. if the former two have the same changes as ubuntu 10.04->12.04...
[23:13] <jrib> !webmin | MACscr
[23:13] <ThePendulum> JamesB: Kubuntu and Xubuntu should be possible, but perhaps not be flawlessly. Ubuntu --> Debian... probably not.
[23:14] <LinuxMonkey> mrdeb, its probably xul-ext-ubufox if your using 12.04
[23:14] <MACscr> jrib: i dont think i ever said webmin
[23:14] <iceroot> JamesB: you can easily install xubuntu/kubuntu/lubuntu by "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" or "lubuntu-desktop" and so on, a change to debian is not possible
[23:14] <jrib> MACscr: doesn't cloudmin run on top op webmin?
[23:14] <jrib> s/op/of
[23:14] <mrdeb> LinuxMonkey: i remove ubufox, so may it will work
[23:15] <MACscr> jrib: yes, but only on the management host. Its not required on the systems it manages
[23:15] <JamesB> Hmm ok, i will try Kubuntu first then. 10.04->12.04 has made my netbook into a nice shiny brick more or less, as "Dash Home" does not work, and there are about four icons other than that, aside from the obvious embarassments to Fitts' Law I am seeing
[23:15] <jrib> MACscr: I see
[23:15] <mrdeb> i went back to 10.04 becaus 12.04 was too slow and things didntwork
[23:15] <MACscr> but it does use scp for some things and you cant sudo with scp according to the author
[23:15] <jrib> MACscr: well you can ssh as root like you said, just drop a key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys .  I handle backups that way
[23:15] <ThePendulum> JamesB: What keeps you from a full reinstall?
[23:15] <MACscr> jrib: ok, thanks
[23:15] <JamesB> I have programs and software I actually need to keep?
[23:16] <LinuxMonkey> ah yeah its ubufox then
[23:16] <mrdeb> thanks
[23:16] <ThePendulum> JamesB: Can't you list the software you're using and reinstall all of it?
[23:16] <mrdeb> also vlc doesnt work on 1004 anymore from ppa
[23:16] <mrdeb> is this true
[23:16] <Fyodorovna> JamesB, try resetting unity alt-f2 type unity --reset  This puts unity to install state.
[23:17] <AVP> hey how do i use Evolution to access my yahoo account?
[23:17] <mrdeb> i know that if u insatll compizmanager, you can turn off vsync and then unity is a lot faster
[23:17] <mrdeb> why is this not originally in options
[23:17] <mrdeb> ?
[23:17] <pedroTI> hi
[23:17] <JamesB> Fyodorovna: The Alt-F2 seems to go to the Dash. I hit Enter and nothing happens, like when I type anything else into the Dash...
[23:18] <mrdeb> alt f2 looks like dash but its really run dcommand
[23:18] <pedroTI> can a help to install amsn
[23:18]  * cyphase made a program that solves Lights Off
[23:18] <mrdeb> that is the problem is htat everything looks like dash
[23:18] <tridentfish> I hate to be a bother but I need help to figure a way to extend the live of my laptop the netbook heats up a lot and the cpu spikes like crazy.
[23:18] <Pici> !who | mrdeb
[23:18] <ThePendulum> For some reason, the touchpad doesn't work in my Ubuntu 12.04 laptop account, while it does in the greeter and any other account
[23:18] <mrdeb> hi pici
[23:18] <Fyodorovna> JamesB, you can run it in a terminal unity --reset & exit
[23:19] <JamesB> Yeah I am trying it with a terminal
[23:19] <KM0201> tridentfish: are you running a bunch of crazy effects>
[23:19] <nafta> wassy121 thanks for all your help, everything is working perfectly.
[23:19] <JamesB> So far, a warning about a panel service not being found, there it's done it, but still nothing in Dash
[23:19] <KM0201> tridentfish: also, are you noticing a particular app that causes it to spike...? or is it spiked evne when no apps are running
[23:20] <eightyeight> what is the pxe append line to change the repository to find the software? i have access to a local mirror, and this box can't get to ubuntu.com
[23:20] <Fyodorovna> JamesB, had you changed anything in compiz that can be reset as well.
[23:20] <Dirigible> I am logged into 11.10 using LDAP authentication. The bar at the top does not offer me a Log Out option. How do I log out?
[23:21] <Dirigible> Is there a channel for Unity, specifically?
[23:21] <JamesB> Don't know, I've had this system for years
[23:23] <sgerbino> anyone know how to get do screen recording with ffmpeg, im on 12.04 and get Cannot display X errors when I follow guides
[23:24] <Sm1th> Can someone instruct me, as to where I might get the intel graphics driver? or do i just use the mesa one that came installed in ubuntu
[23:24] <tridentfish> Nothing special and I have used different environments to help with the spikes. All programs causes the spikes pretty much.
[23:24] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: In your System Settings panel, you should find an item "Additional Drivers"
[23:24] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: If there are additional drivers for your system, they should be listed
[23:25] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: You may find the System Settings window under the gear at the top right of your screen
[23:25] <pedroTI> help please
[23:25] <pedroTI> to install amsn
[23:25] <pedroTI> in no ubuntu 12
[23:26] <ThePendulum> pedroTI: Have you tried Pidgin? I recommend it over amsn anytime. 1 second, trying to find out how to install aMSN if you really like it
[23:26] <Sm1th> ThePendulum: it says that there are no additional driver needed.
[23:26] <tridentfish> Why I need to get to the chat room for Enlightenment desktop environment is an attempt to save it.
[23:26] <pedroTI> hellooo
[23:26] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: Are you encountering graphical problems?
[23:27] <Fyodorovna> tridentfish, in the channel bar type /j #e only and hit enter
[23:27] <LinuxMonkey> Fyodorovna, he's allready in #e
[23:27] <Sm1th> ThePendulum: No, i was just sort of learning how to test certain aspects of this system, being my first with ubuntu and all.
[23:27] <MirkoKa> pedroTI: amsn in in the repos, what problem do you face exactly when installing it?
[23:27] <Fyodorovna> LinuxMonkey, wasn't sure if they actually made it loil.
[23:27] <tridentfish> I have all ready connected I was just saying what I have tried.
[23:28] <Sm1th> ThePendulum: i found that glxgears runs at about 60fps in fullscreen so i think the 3d part is ok.
[23:28] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: Alright, seems like Ubuntu has the optimal graphics drivers already installed then
[23:28] <Sm1th> ThePendulum: cool. Thanks for the heads up.
[23:29] <ThePendulum> Sm1th: Happy to help
[23:29] <pedroTI> please who install AMSN
[23:30] <pedroTI> ubuntu 12
[23:30] <tridentfish> I am collage student who can't really buy a new net book or laptop any time soon. So I am desperate to extend the life of the net book I have right now. My net book is a acer AOA150.
[23:30] <iceroot> !info amsn
[23:31] <pepee> tridentfish, try lubuntu
[23:31] <aaas> how do i run a command over and over ...such as 'ps -A | grep program'
[23:31] <iceroot> aaas: watch command
[23:31] <aaas> iceroot thanks
[23:32] <autojack> has anyone here used ubuntu on ec2, and noticed that their instance lacks any files in /proc/xen ? puppet uses those to figure out if the box is a VM or physical, so that breaks here.
[23:32] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, removed from the precise repo.
[23:32] <pedroTI> who dis?
[23:32] <pepee> tridentfish, how much memory does the computer have?
[23:32] <KM0201> tridentfish: you didn't answer my question earlier.. is it spiking the CPU all the time, or just when you use certain apps, or what?
[23:32] <tridentfish> I have it and tried dose the same as Ubuntu. I have even used lower recourse intensive environments.
[23:33] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/amsn/0.98.4-0ubuntu3
[23:33] <tridentfish> It spikes all the time.
[23:33] <xangua> Fyodorovna: isn't in universe¿ i can see it on packages.ubuntu.com http://is.gd/7Gpp5P
[23:34] <pedroTI> How to do it
[23:34] <pepee> tridentfish, checked power management configs?
[23:34] <pedroTI> Fyodorovna
[23:34] <tridentfish> The computer has a half gig of ram and 1.60 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 512 KB L2 cache.
[23:34] <xangua> ooh i see, it's not in pangolin
[23:34] <KM0201> hmm
[23:34] <Fyodorovna> xangua, what I see is in  precise universe until feb 2012
[23:34] <pepee> tridentfish, pentium 4?
[23:34] <ThePendulum> Could anyone give me a hand?
[23:34] <ThePendulum> The touchpad doesn't work on just my account
[23:35] <ThePendulum> I am an administrator, and it's the first account on the laptop
[23:35] <ThePendulum> It's the only account that doesn't have a functional touchpad
[23:35] <DarwinSurvivor> !intel | site Sm1th
[23:35] <DarwinSurvivor> gah
[23:35] <xangua> ThePendulum: tried your function keys to enable/disable touchpad¿
[23:35] <ThePendulum> xangua: Which one?
[23:36] <ThePendulum> xangua: Mother of god. Touché
[23:36] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, I do see this ppa though. https://launchpad.net/~amsn-daily/+archive/ppa
[23:36] <ThePendulum> xangua: I didn't even know there was a key for that
[23:36] <KM0201> lol
[23:36] <DarwinSurvivor> Sm1th: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedDrivers#Intel
[23:36] <bitboy> how do i make virtual box full screen
[23:36] <Chax> I just made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu and am wondering why it seems slow launching new programs. It was deathly slow before I updated my VGA, then a bit better, but I find that every once and a while it stops and freezes for about 1 - 10 seconds. Any ideas?
[23:36] <bitboy> the ubuntu os only takes up a small portion of my screen
[23:36] <DarwinSurvivor> bitboy: it's in the menu
[23:36] <MirkoKa> bitboy: install the guest additions
[23:37] <DarwinSurvivor> Chax: what are the specs (cpu, ram, graphics card) of the system?
[23:37] <Fyodorovna> bitboy, install the guest additions
[23:37] <ThePendulum> bitboy: Crack up the resolution and click the host key (right ctrl by default, I think) + f
[23:37] <tridentfish> It just says  Intel Atom for it.
[23:37] <KM0201> you can also go to "scaled" mode... and just adjust th ewindow size (thats what i usually do.
[23:37] <pepee> tridentfish, ahh k
[23:38] <pepee> tridentfish, what laptop? please, specify the model
[23:38] <pedroTI> and then
[23:38] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: 1/2GB of ram is rather small for the applications ubuntu uses (firefox, libreoffice, etc). You might want to consider an upgrade (1GB total should suffice)
[23:38] <pedroTI> Fyodorovna
[23:38] <tridentfish> Acer AOA 150.
[23:38] <pedroTI> and then
[23:38] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, do you know how to add the ppa to your sources.list?
[23:39] <KM0201> tridentfish: have you tried other linux distributions, to see if it does the same thing?  i'd consider giving Fedora's LXDE spin a try and see if it helps.
[23:40] <pedroTI> the two site
[23:40] <DarwinSurvivor> !pastebin | Chax
[23:40] <tridentfish> I have had really nasty experiences with Fedora. What about BSD?
[23:41] <ooldirty> hey guys, this probably sounds stupid, but does system() fork?
[23:41] <KM0201> tridentfish: if you had a nasty experience w/ fedora, i can't imagine you having a good experience w/ BSD
[23:41] <Sm1th> DarwinSurvivor: it seems that the drivers are bundled with Ubuntu since 2009 so im good. :)
[23:41] <RageRiot> error reading meta data, Cannot allocate memory <-- does this mean the system doesnt have enough memeory ?
[23:41] <pepee> tridentfish, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/acer-aspire-one-netbook-heating-736029/    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
[23:41] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, this will add the repo and install.  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:amsn-daily/ppa  hit enter when asked the run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt get install amsn
[23:41] <MirkoKa> tridentfish: BSD is not a Linux, it's even harder than Fedora/CentOS. more on the SLackware/Arch level
[23:42] <tables> anyone try nat port forwarding on virtualbox on ubuntu?
[23:42] <xangua> Fyodorovna: that PPA you suggested doesn't really has what he is looking for, all packages failed to build
[23:42] <lapsusbrutus> tables: yup
[23:42] <tables> lapsusbrutus, howd you get it to work?
[23:42] <tables> i'm trying to connect onto the nat'd vm
[23:42] <tables> like get apache
[23:42] <Fyodorovna> xangua, ah good eye I did not look for that. :)
[23:43] <lapsusbrutus> tables: but I prefer to create a virtual bridge to have vms connect to network
[23:43] <tables> i do too it works better
[23:43] <tables> but right now i cannot bridge
[23:43] <Fyodorovna> pedroTI, it loks as that ppa is not your answer sorry about that.
[23:43] <Fyodorovna> loks*
[23:43] <lapsusbrutus> tables: install bridge-utils, and I send you config for setting up bridge
[23:43] <tridentfish> The issue I had with it was the partition and stuff screwed with my other os's.
[23:44] <MirkoKa> tridentfish: sorry to say, but that is a user problem, not an OS problem :-) and BSD makes partitionnig even harder
[23:45] <KM0201> tridentfish: what other OS was on the the machine?
[23:45] <Chax> I just made the switch to Ubuntu and have found that it seems to freeze up for anywheres from 1 - 10 seconds every so often. Can anyone help me out? http://paste.ubuntu.com/958773/
[23:45] <cpruitt> Can anyone recommend a good book on administration for Ubuntu (used as a web server).  Ideally it'd read well for a developer, not a sysadmin.  I want to learn but I don't have much sysadmin background.
[23:46] <DarwinSurvivor> tridentfish: as someone that uses ubuntu, fedora, archlinux and freebsd all at home, freebsd is WAY harder than any of the other 3!
[23:46] <brightsparks> Is it ok to disable bluetooth in ubuntu 11.10 or not?
[23:46] <MirkoKa> Chax: does that happen with specific programs which you can name?
[23:46] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: if you are primarily a developer, why are you running server edition...?
[23:46] <tridentfish> lubuntu as of right now but in the past I have had backtrack, windows xp, fedora, puppy, and supper os.
[23:46] <iceroot> brightsparks: if you dont need it
[23:47] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: Because it's my web server?
[23:47] <MirkoKa> brightsparks: if you don't have any bluetooth devicesm, yes
[23:47] <brightsparks> iceroot: hi thanks.
[23:47] <Chax> Xchat, Firefox, and I find it takes longer than I would expect to startup a program.
[23:47] <cpruitt> And I don't need all the GUI stuff on a box sitting in my data center.
[23:47] <Chax> MirkoKa: Xchat, Firefox, and I find it takes longer than I would expect to startup a program
[23:48] <tridentfish> and many more. I know my distro's. I have been in the seen about 3 year, less than a year active.
[23:48] <brightsparks> MirkoKa: nope. Can removing it increase available memory abit?
[23:48] <MirkoKa> Chax: how much RAM?
[23:48] <Draton> Hey guys - was just trying to run ubuntu on my new machine off of a usb drive, i assume i should still be able to install nvidia drivers? nothing in restricted drivers
[23:48] <cordoval> Guest35836: ping
[23:48] <cordoval> here
[23:48] <cordoval> hi Rusty
[23:48] <cordoval> here Sara
[23:48] <Chax> MirkoKa: 3 Gigs
[23:48] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: ah, so a WEB developer! I was thinking c/python/etc developer :P
[23:49] <brightsparks> ok thanks guys.
[23:49] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: yeah Rails mostly
[23:49] <MirkoKa> brightsparks: yes, a tiny bit
[23:49] <DarwinSurvivor> MirkoKa: his pastebin shows about 3GB
[23:49] <tridentfish> Rails lol that is fun to learn.
[23:49] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: But I run my own server, not VPS so I really want to understand the nuts & bolts of what I'm doing.
[23:50] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: how much server stuff do you *want* to know? If running your own server you really should know about basic networking and ipfilters as well as keeping it updated
[23:50] <cordoval> hi guys my friend Rusty Guest35836 is having some problems he also upgraded to ubuntu 12.04 and is having some errors trying to boot, can someone help please?
[23:51] <crond> cordoval, just ask the question, if someone can help, they will! :)
[23:51] <DarwinSurvivor> cordoval: someone just trying pining him and he didn't respond. we can't help someone that doesn't talk...
[23:51] <pepee> tridentfish, http://askubuntu.com/questions/49477/acer-aspire-5532-overheating
[23:51] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: We'll I *want* to know it all, but I'm realistic.  I need to at least better understand the basics of security and the software I'm running for things like FTP and mail, etc… I don't like being nervous about changing config files because I don' know if something will break.
[23:51] <Draton> Anyone have an experience w/ a GTX 680 on ubuntu? Is the driver out/stable?
[23:51] <cordoval> he is typing what he sees on the screen options i think he is on recovery window
[23:52] <tohuw> cpruitt: Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
[23:52] <cordoval> however if he goes for mount all or something like that it is going to take him like 30 hours
[23:52] <Sm1th> Is there an open source version of vnc that is compatable with the enterprise version for windows?
[23:52] <cpruitt> Also, I need to be able to troubleshoot better.  My server crashes at least once a day for an unknown reason.  Suspect hardware but months of looking have yielded no results.  I just don't know enough to keep going.
[23:52] <cordoval> he has been doing that and nothing so i told him to reboot and ask here
[23:52] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: ok, what I usually do is set up a headless server (like you have) and then also have a copy of everything running on a local (development) machine. try the changes on the local machine. if it works, copy the changes to the server.
[23:52] <tohuw> cpruitt: Have you checked dmesg?
[23:52] <DarwinSurvivor> !lamp | cpruitt
[23:52] <DarwinSurvivor> !iptables | cpruitt
[23:53] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: start with those 2, then check out the docs for the other services (ftp, etc) that you are using
[23:53] <cpruitt> tohuw: Oh yeah… I've checked every log I can find, mucked about with GRUB settings, video drivers… the works.
[23:53] <cordoval> what happens if he hits ctrl+d?
[23:53] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: Thanks
[23:53] <pepee> tridentfish, try this: sudo sh -c 'echo -n "enabled" > /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/mode'
[23:53] <elky> How do fonts get installed these days?
[23:54] <cpruitt> tohuw: Sometimes it reboots itself, other times it never comes back
[23:54] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: if you are experiencing regular crashes, there is a HIGH probability it's the RAM. reboot and run memtest from grub
[23:54] <MirkoKa> elky:  copy them to your ~/.fonts directory, done
[23:55] <DarwinSurvivor> cpruitt: if you are new to servers, I would hold off on hosting a mail server until you are VERY comfortable. It's probably the most complicated service you can run on ubuntu!
[23:55] <ferencz> re
[23:55] <ferencz> re
[23:55] <AngrySpam> i love how ubuntu has 4 workspaces
[23:55] <zyltoid> which package is flash 64bit from adobe?
[23:55] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: Yeah, I need to block off some down time to go to my data center for a memory test.  The weird thing is that I have another box that is exactly the same config but no hardware has been exchanged.  It does the exact same thing even when we tried a different linux distro.
[23:56] <AngrySpam> +1 loltroll
[23:56] <cpruitt> DarwinSurvivor: We don't host email.  Just apache / ftp at the moment.
[23:56] <cpruitt> We have a separate mail server for customers that want it.
[23:57] <tridentfish> DarwinSurvivor I thought IRC was a easy to use. I will probably skip it. Thank for the warning. lol
[23:57] <elky> MirkoKa, no system-wide option?
[23:58] <KM0201> tridentfish: irc is not easy to use?
[23:58] <JollySpam> yes it is
[23:59] <JollySpam> jsut type in the box and hit enter
[23:59] <MirkoKa> elky: copy them to a fitting (or own) directory in /usr/share/fonts if iÄm not mistaken, they will be picked up from there too (inotify is really cool^^)
[23:59] <KM0201> JollySpam: i'm not disputing that.. i'm trying to figure out why he thinks its difficult to use.
[23:59] <Menno> you can also drag 'n' drop to Ubuntu's font picker, can't you?
[23:59] <devinus> is noexec on a /var partition a good idea?
[23:59] <Menno> devinus: not for /var/tmp