[00:40] <sw0rdfish> how can one download stuff from websites like rapidshare/hotfile
[00:40] <sw0rdfish> into a server?
[00:41] <sw0rdfish> links2 and w3m can't have javascript supported
[00:41] <sw0rdfish> so is there a solutoin
[00:43] <robrt`> sw0rdfish: I usually scp it over..
[01:03] <sw0rdfish> you mean get it to your home pc
[01:03] <sw0rdfish> then scp into the server
[01:03] <sw0rdfish> i think thats easy if you have good internet speed from home
[01:03] <sw0rdfish> i dont
[01:04] <sw0rdfish> but if you mean scp directly from those sites, hmmm i dont think so
[01:04] <littlebearz> sw0rdfish: use wget?
[01:04] <sw0rdfish> robrt`,
[01:04] <sw0rdfish> but they make you click on the thing "Free Download" or "Slow download"
[01:04] <sw0rdfish> and give u a special link ...etc
[01:05] <robrt`> sw0rdfish: Yeah .. download it home and scp it over to my server
[01:05] <sw0rdfish> there's a program i've been recommended,, rapidleech
[01:05] <sw0rdfish> will try it out :(
[01:05] <sw0rdfish> :)*
[01:41] <Heyho> is there any terminal way, i can check if the computer was used in the last x minutes?
[01:44] <guampa> lastlog ?
[01:44] <Heyho> the comment lastlog doesnt give me any useful infos :/
[01:45] <guampa> too bad
[01:46] <Heyho> the thing is i want to start bitcoin miner if i idle :D any ideas?
[01:48] <Tm0> Hi i need to using Cron, i need to backup and restore a demoboard
[03:13] <Ash-Fox> Greetings. I'm currently trying to store my syslog data 'auth,authpriv.*' directly on to a tape drive raw. And while I have succeeded in doing so, I have ran into a problem where I need to be able to run a set of commands to properly load the tape before rsyslog starts (or before it starts logging data to it). Which config files / manuals should I go about reading up on to set this up?
[03:18] <ChmEarl> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/
[03:19] <ChmEarl> the above initrd.gz for xen netboot is defective. Its not intended for use as advertised; its too big and has no xen modules
[03:20] <ChmEarl> the equivalent maverick version is OK
[03:22] <BuenGenio> good day
[03:23] <BuenGenio> I'm looking for dovecot 2 packages for Maverick
[03:23] <BuenGenio> are there any available
[03:23] <BuenGenio> only found ones for Lucid so far, from Christian Roessner
[03:25] <Sanctusorium> I am running into some real trouble with trying to install a GUI into Ubuntu Server 10.04.  I've done apt-get ubuntu-desktop, I've installed VNC, and I am connected to the "desktop" via VNC, but I have just a grey background and a terminal window
[03:25] <Sanctusorium> Any ideas? :(
[03:26] <roothorick> So, for my home swiss-army-knife server why should I choose Ubuntu Server over Debian?
[03:29] <jonesst1> pick the one u ike
[03:29] <jonesst1> like
[03:30] <jonesst1> they all do the same thing
[03:30] <jonesst1> i use debain for home but ive been using it for 12 years
[03:30] <jonesst1> debian
[03:30] <twb> roothorick: no reason
[03:30] <jonesst1> pick the lts version
[03:31] <rewt> Sanctusorium, sounds like it's starting just X and xterm; maybe you want to install gnome or kde or xfce or such?
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> Well, I just tried "startx" and I got this:
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> And it goes "whoops, fail" ... essentially
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> Also, when trying to start gnome, I get similar error
[03:32] <Sanctusorium> So I try to isntall gnome
[03:33] <Sanctusorium> And I get errors.  Should I detail them? :)
[03:33] <Sanctusorium> Or, where should I start? ;)
[03:34] <rewt> do you want to run X locally, or go through vnc?
[03:34] <Sanctusorium> Honestly, I just want to get a GUI set up for this VPS.  I assumed I had to use VNC to see it.
[03:35] <Sanctusorium> Locally, I am on a windows machine.  The Ubuntu distro is the VPS.
[03:35] <rewt> ah, vps... then i think you have to use vnc
[03:35] <Sanctusorium> Yep.
[03:36] <Sanctusorium> I get connected, but when I do, I get a console window and a grey background.
[03:36] <rewt> so it looks like vncserver starts X and xterm... have a look in the vncserver's config file
[03:37] <rewt> you probably need to add something in there for it to load the gnome/kde desktop
[03:37] <Sanctusorium> Well, it may be trying to start stuff up when I connect, but I can't even start stuff myself in that window or through SSH.
[03:37] <Sanctusorium> When I try to start gnome... I get...
[03:38] <Sanctusorium> gdm-binary[24130]: WARNING: Unable to load file '/etc/gdm/custom.conf': No such file or directory
[03:38] <Sanctusorium> I feel like this VPS is sending me trollface.jpg, haha.
[03:39] <Sanctusorium> When I try to do apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment I get... "Gnome is up to date!" basically.
[03:43] <Sanctusorium> Sorry if I am over loading :(
[03:45] <rewt> what if you create an empty /etc/gdm/custom.conf, and then try gdm in the xterm you get via vnc
[03:45] <jonesst1> in startup try "gnome-session &"
[03:45] <rewt> i'm not sure what the cmd is to start the gnome desktop
[03:46] <jonesst1> you need to hash out #twm and the xterm statement
[03:46] <jonesst1> for vnc
[03:48] <Sanctusorium> rewt, I have been using gdm start for trying to start Gnome
[03:48] <Sanctusorium> jonesst1: what is #twm and xterm statement?
[03:48] <Sanctusorium> :(
[03:49] <jonesst1> sorry u wanted gnome in a vnc session?
[03:49] <jonesst1> thats what i set
[03:49] <Sanctusorium> Whao!
[03:49] <Sanctusorium> gnome-session & worked
[03:49] <Sanctusorium> wtf why?
[03:49] <Sanctusorium> o.o;
[03:51] <rewt> gnome-session starts the desktop part of gnome, and the & tells it to detach from the terminal and keep running in the background
[03:53] <Sanctusorium> Nice!  So simple that hours of googling provided nothing
[03:54] <Sanctusorium> So.  How do I fix it to where this automatically happens whenever there is a VNC connection?
[03:55] <Sanctusorium> (thank you both by the way... This is so much more awesome now that things are moving... :D )
[03:55] <rewt> there should be a file in your ~ that loads when you connect via vnc
[03:55] <Sanctusorium> mmm.  Issue...  When I do dir/ls in ~, it doesn't print anything.
[03:56] <rewt> how about ll ~
[03:56] <rewt> (double lowercase L)
[03:56] <Sanctusorium> Let me see when the reboot is finished :)
[03:56] <jonesst1> I think you can put it under /etc/
[03:56] <rewt> what file is it?
[03:57] <jonesst1> im just looking
[03:58] <Sanctusorium> ll gave me some kind of feed back.  I assume the names on the far right are the folder/file names?
[03:58] <rewt> maybe someting like ~/.vncrc
[03:58] <rewt> yes Sanctusorium
[03:58] <Sanctusorium> Ah
[03:58] <Sanctusorium> .vnc/
[03:59] <rewt> the ones that start with a period are hidden from regular ls
[03:59] <rewt> go in there and look for a conf
[03:59] <Sanctusorium> So, everything in that list was hidden
[03:59] <Sanctusorium> Thats wonderful xD
[04:00] <Sanctusorium> would xstartup be a good place to start? :D
[04:00] <rewt> sounds promising
[04:00] <rewt> or try: grep "xterm" *
[04:01] <Sanctusorium> In the console or in the xstartupfile?
[04:01] <rewt> in the console in ~/.vnc/
[04:01] <Sanctusorium> Okie
[04:01] <rewt> it'll show you which files have that in it
[04:01] <rewt> the one you have to change should have it
[04:02] <Sanctusorium> grep "xterm" * gave nothing
[04:02] <rewt> grep "term" *
[04:03] <Sanctusorium> I just have a log, a .pid, passwd, and xstartup that is in green text and has a * at the end for some reason
[04:03] <rewt> hm, looks like .vnc/xstartup is the right file
[04:04] <rewt> http://faq.gotomyvnc.com/fom-serve/cache/56.html
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> What is twm?
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> I mean, seems to be an alternative to Gnome...
[04:04] <rewt> that's the "grey background" you have now
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> My guess at least
[04:04] <Sanctusorium> AH
[04:04] <rewt> tiny window manager
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> This... makes more sense now
[04:05] <rewt> iirc, a right click brings up a menu
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> Yep
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> Well
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> Only in the console
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> Background? nada
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> It was kinda saddening
[04:05] <rewt> maybe it needs a config
[04:05] <rewt> hehe
[04:05] <rewt> well, try replacing it as in that link and see
[04:05] <Sanctusorium> Probably... I'm a REAL newb to server stuff ;)
[04:06] <Sanctusorium> Or linux bash
[04:07] <Sanctusorium> I don't see twm & at all
[04:07] <roothorick> what will the next LTS be? 11.10?
[04:07] <roothorick> 12.04?
[04:07] <rewt> should be 12.04
[04:08] <rewt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Table_of_versions
[04:08] <rewt> Sanctusorium, what do you see?
[04:08] <Sanctusorium> Okie, the last line in the file is x-window-manager &  I am assuming that needs to be there
[04:09] <Sanctusorium> So, I just added gnome-session & to the end.
[04:10] <rewt> sure
[04:11] <Sanctusorium> And I forgot how to start vnc up :P Great.
[04:11] <Sanctusorium> One second
[04:12] <Sanctusorium> yay google
[04:12] <Sanctusorium> AWESOME
[04:12] <Sanctusorium> :D
[04:12] <Sanctusorium> Gnome started right up
[04:13] <rewt> nice
[04:13] <Sanctusorium> I still don't understand why there were a million different errors in the console with other things, but I guess if it works, it works.
[04:14] <Sanctusorium> Thanks, ya'll have been a god send.
[04:14] <Sanctusorium> :)
[04:14] <rewt> np
[04:15] <Sanctusorium> Now to install wine.  Gonna see if I can get a terraria server up...
[04:15] <Sanctusorium> :)
[04:17] <Sanctusorium> Oh!  will gnome shut itself down when I disconnect?
[04:18] <rewt> probably not
[04:22] <Sanctusorium> I guess it would be wise to shut it down on DC then :)
[04:25] <roothorick> is root-on-MD-RAID a PITA on ubuntu?
[04:45] <oamaru> been following https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/jeos-and-vmbuilder.html with limited success (complains --tmpfs is an unknown option) anyone able to point me at a better resource
[04:45] <i2v8an> hi, I'm having an issue with figuring out how to change the default keys with the .screenrc file.  Could someone please help me?
[04:49] <i2v8an> never mind,  one last try after an hour of google'ing finally gave me what I was looking for: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/screen-power-tips-screenrc/
[04:50] <Sanctusorium> So, I want to turn off gnome for ram saving.
[04:50] <twb> Sanctusorium: I'm not stopping you
[04:50] <Sanctusorium> when I do gnome-session-save --kill I get:
[04:50] <Sanctusorium> WARNING **: Failed to call logout: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[04:50] <twb> That's dbus whinging
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> Hm?
[04:51] <twb> your command is trying to send a dbus signal, probably to gnome-session-manager(1)
[04:51] <Sanctusorium> Ah.  So, how do I fix this? :)
[04:52] <Sanctusorium> I just want gnome to go bye bye when I am done with it .
[04:53] <twb> That's kinda offtopic for this channel
[04:53] <twb> If it were me, I'd just Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[04:53] <twb> Or pkill -9 -u twb, to kill all processes owned by my user
[05:40] <Ash-Fox> I need to execute a command before rsyslog starts / starts logging, how would I do this?
[06:20] <twb> Ash-Fox: pre-start exec in the upstart job?
[06:20] <Ash-Fox> twb, I'll look into that
[06:31] <airtonix> an ideal django apacher server setup has us create a separate subdomain for static and user uploaded files : static.example.com & media.example.com, my issue is that i have generated a self signed ssl certificate for the website ie: example.com, but this certificate does not apply to the subdomains, i imagine i have to do something with chain certificates ? if so, how ? where is a guide with this in relation to aache on ubuntu-server 10.04.2
[06:33] <littlebearz> the host *.example.com should take care of it i believe
[06:33] <airtonix> could you elaborate ?
[06:34] <airtonix> are you saying that i enter *.example.com instead of example.com when i generate the certificate? (when asked for the hostname)
[06:35] <jmarsden> airtonix: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHosts
[06:39] <littlebearz> airtonix: i'm saying you do both
[06:39] <littlebearz> airtonix: the example.com is your base, and then *.example.com is all your subdomin
[06:40] <littlebearz> airtonix: or you could seperate it into 2 cert which is easier to manage
[06:51] <airtonix> so i just generate more certificates and add them the to the vhost definition file ?
[06:54] <airtonix> jmarsden: thanks
[06:55] <jmarsden> airtonix: You're welcome.
[07:19] <airtonix> ok so now that i've figured that out, and while it's an ok setup for a local dev server or college network etc etc, what do i do about a certificate that has been issued by someone like godaddy ? do i need to call them and say "guys, i need my subdomains covered by this certificate ? "
[07:20] <airtonix> considering i need the certificate to cover variations of example.com like : www.example.com, www.example.com.au, example.com.au and all it's related subdomains for static and media
[07:30] <SpamapS> airtonix: wildcard certs are usually fairly expensive
[07:31] <philipballew> is 10.04 better for a file server or would 11.04 be buggy compared to 10.04?
[07:31] <SpamapS> airtonix: or at least, more expensive than non wildcard
[07:31] <twb> philipballew: IMO use LTS unless you have a good reason not to
[07:32] <SpamapS> philipballew: "better or worse" is probably impossible to determine without knowing your needs. 10.04 will receive critical updates until April, 2015 , 11.04 will only receive them until October, 2012
[07:32] <philipballew> im setting up a simple media server. all i need is the ability to ssh into it and share my media folder. i think 10.04 sounds good to me
[07:32] <SpamapS> philipballew: yeah sounds like it
[07:35] <philipballew> Spamp5 I think it should be fun. only used the desktop version and whenm i need a server running i figured i'd give it a try!
[07:35] <philipballew> Spamap5 ...
[07:41] <adam_g> SpamapS: you still admin ubuntu-server list?
[07:44] <SpamapS> adam_g: yes indeed
[07:46] <adam_g> SpamapS: trying to consolidate my lists to my @canonical.com account but my membership request to there was never approved (that i know of). can you keep an eye out and approve if i resubmit?
[07:49] <SpamapS> adam_g: its not a moderated list so you should be able to have it send you a new password
[07:50] <adam_g> hm, ok. wonder if confirmation got lost originally.. thanx
[07:51] <SpamapS> adam_g: if you can't get it worked out I'll go in and see if I can manually approve you
[07:53] <adam_g> SpamapS: actually im a tired moron. :) its ubuntu-server-bugs that i was having trouble getting subscribed to.
[07:53] <osmosis> how can I do a full reinstall of build-essential.  it got messed up when I canceled during the install.
[07:53] <SpamapS> adam_g: oh, I find that list 100% useless ;)
[07:53] <SpamapS> its basically the firehose
[07:54] <adam_g> i want cell phone alerts
[07:54] <SpamapS> There's a bug! QUICK! To the packaging bat cave!
[08:36] <osmosis> i hit CTRL-C while  apt-get install build-essential  was running.  now ./configure wont work.  How can I do a full reinstall of build-essential?
[08:43] <TeTeT> osmosis: I'd try apt-get install --reinstall build-essential
[08:43] <TeTeT> osmosis: and maybe apt-get -f install if the above is not working
[09:51] <jamespage> hallyn: when you get a change ping me with the contents of /var/log/jenkins/*.log
[09:51] <jamespage> /change/chance/
[09:52] <browntechx> Who want to help me
[09:59] <greppy> browntechx: that's going to depend on what your problem is, better to start with that.
[10:00] <browntechx> Well, I'm going to run an IRC network off of a Ubuntu powered server
[10:00] <browntechx> So how do I do that
[10:01] <greppy> You would probably install an ircd and then configure it.
[10:02] <browntechx> How do I do that
[10:02] <browntechx> Noob here
[10:02] <browntechx> :)
[10:03] <greppy> are you going to be joining an existing network, like efnet, dalnet, freenode, etc?
[10:05] <browntechx> I will be
[10:05] <greppy> then you should contact that network and find out what ircd and what network specific configurations you will need.
[10:06] <browntechx> No UbuntuServer GUI... Sadface
[10:06] <greppy> you can install a gui on a server, most people don't really have a use for one.
[10:06] <browntechx> Oka, nvm
[11:06] <benedikt> I am replacing an old mail office server that is running Mailscanner amongst other things to spam and virus filter emails to various domains. What is the most logical replacement for this on ubuntu?
[11:06] <benedikt> This server was set up by an odd howto (http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-spamsnake-ubuntu-8.04-p2)
[11:08] <greppy> benedikt: I have been happy with amavisd-new + spamassassin + clamav + greylisting
[11:09] <benedikt> greppy: I saw that in the ubuntu server guide. Is there a web interface (to keep my boss happy) for it?
[11:09] <greppy> that depends :)
[11:10] <greppy> I have actually been using a previous version of http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20110303.html with http://froxlor.org for hosting.
[11:10] <benedikt> spammers have really messed the internet up.
[11:11] <greppy> heh
[11:11] <greppy> just be glad that sendmail doesn't relay by default anymore :)
[11:18] <benedikt> on second thought, converting this box to a kvm/qemu virtual machine is probably less work
[11:20] <benedikt> anyone know why the wiki insists that virtual guests should not use ntp?
[11:21] <greppy> because by default they get the clock from the dom0
[11:21] <benedikt> isnt dom0 a xen term?
[11:21] <greppy> you can run ntp on a guest, you just have to make some other tweaks
[11:21] <greppy> same idea though
[11:22] <greppy> it gets time from the host
[11:22] <benedikt> im not sure if i am running kvm or qemu, i set the server up according to the libvirt wiki page
[11:22] <benedikt> it mentions both kvm and qemu
[11:23] <greppy> I've never setup kvm, and only used qemu under windows, so I won't be of much help there.
[11:34] <benedikt> as long as you don't call it 'the cloud' :)
[11:54] <cocoa117> what is EC2 kernel for Ubuntu?
[11:55] <lynxman> cocoa117: you can find the official Ubuntu AMIs with their krnel image ID in this doc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EC2StartersGuide
[11:56] <Patrickdk> for running on amazon ec2, or as a xen guest
[11:57] <cocoa117> lynxman, thanx
[11:57] <cocoa117> Patrickdk, great, that's what i am looking for, a Xen domU image from Ubuntu official channel
[12:00] <Patrickdk> console won't work
[12:00] <Patrickdk> but otherwise it worked well for me
[12:20] <cocoa117> Patrickdk, what do u mean the console won't work?
[12:20] <cocoa117> you can't do sudo xm console abc to login?
[12:57] <sommer> morning :-)
[13:01] <cocoa117> if i am running private Xen dom0, and wants to use official ubuntu UEC image, say 10.04, should i just download the ubuntu-10.04-server-uec-amd64.tar.gz  file?
[13:01] <cocoa117> and run it under xen dom0?
[13:15] <TeTeT> cocoa117: I have 0 experience with xen, but I think yet, the kernel should have support for domU
[13:15] <TeTeT> cocoa117: yet=yes
[13:15] <cocoa117> TeTet, thanx
[13:16] <TeTeT> cocoa117: there's https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen . but as written above, I've not verified anything. Good luck with that!
[13:17] <jamespage> morning sommer
[13:17] <cocoa117> TeTeT, that link was out of date, that's why i am looking at different terms
[13:22] <zul> RoAkSoAx: got some cobbler patches for me?
[13:35] <zul> lynxman: ping
[13:35] <lynxman> zul: pong
[13:36] <zul> lynxman: so mcollective-plugins a couple of more things
[13:36] <lynxman> zul: shoot
[13:36] <zul> lynxman: get rid of the watch file
[13:36] <dkn> i'm still having trouble setting up br0 to bond0 http://pastebin.com/KxwRDPNi
[13:37] <zul> lynxman: also  i dont really like 0.0.0~git20110520 as a version string, 20110520 as a version string should be fine
[13:37] <lynxman> zul: okay so just 20110520
[13:37] <lynxman> zul: gotcha
[13:38] <lynxman> zul: then... if there's a release at some point (1.0.0 or such) how that'll affect numbering?
[13:38] <zul> hmmm...are they actually going to do releases?
[13:38] <lynxman> zul: yes
[13:39] <zul> ok leave as it is then
[13:39] <lynxman> zul: k
[13:40] <zul> lynxman: also your override_dh_install is wrong it installs puppet-package.rb in the wrong place
[13:41] <lynxman> zul: puppet-package.rb shouldn't be installed, I rename it in rules to package.rb
[13:42] <zul> lynxman: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/617498/
[13:42] <lynxman> zul: so how would you recommend I get rid of it?
[13:42] <lynxman> zul: err nevermind, I see the problem
[13:42] <lynxman> zul: fixing
[13:43] <lynxman> zul: all pushed to repo
[13:44] <zul> k
[13:50] <zul> ill take a new look in a sec
[13:50] <zul> Daviey: ping
[13:52] <Daviey> zul pongs
[13:53] <zul> so for the cobbler next steps spec WI the hardware inventory and snapshot repotnig i just noticed that there is couchdb support so we can store the info there
[13:57] <hallyn> jamespage: lol, that instance is long deleted, but i can quickly create a new one (in a bit)
[13:58] <hallyn> jamespage: last night iw as trying to figure out how to add a slave node,
[13:58] <hallyn> figuring that, while 'ensemble deploy jenkins', which works now, is neat, it'd be more interesting to be able to add nodes on demand
[13:58] <hallyn> but i couldn't quite figure out how to do it from the web interface, let alone cli
[13:59] <hallyn> i gather i need to create an ssh key and register it somewhere, but the web interface has two places for adding ssh keys, neither seems to be fore slave nodes
[14:02] <jamespage> hallyn - there are a few ways todo it; I'll be back in about 10 mins and I'll give you a few pointers
[14:08] <hallyn> sigh, i really need to get an ssd
[14:09] <Daviey> zul: ah, nice about the couchdb (even tho i don't like it :P)
[14:10] <zul> well need to store the info
[14:19] <jamespage> hey hallyn - want to talk jenkins slaves now?
[14:33] <zul> lynxman: uploaded
[14:38] <lynxman> zul: ty
[14:38] <lynxman> zul: have a look at mcollective-provisioner as well, let me know what I can fix/change so it can be uploaded to oneiric :)
[14:38] <zul> yep will try to get to it toay
[14:39] <lynxman> zul: thanks
[14:40] <hallyn> jamespage: sure
[14:40] <jamespage> great
[14:41] <hallyn> oh lemme fire off an instance real quick
[14:41] <jamespage> great - we can both look at it then
[14:45] <hallyn> jamespage: it'll be ec2-184-73-78-32.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:47] <hallyn> there we go, it's up
[14:48] <hallyn> so does a slave node first get set up as a full jenkins master node?
[14:48] <hallyn> or can it be anything with sshd running?
[15:09] <RoAkSoAx> zul: not yet... got caught up in something else... will have them later though
[15:09] <zul> RoAkSoAx: k because im rolling a new spnapshot
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok I'll let you know as soon as I have them
[15:22] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[15:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[15:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sed -i "s/^server:.*localhost$/next_server: $ipaddr/" /etc/cobbler/settings
[15:23] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that should be server instead of next_server right?
[15:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm
[15:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i thought i fixed that yesterday
[15:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let me grab the code again
[15:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: whoops
[15:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: I'll fix it now, I'm working on the debconf stuff for them
[15:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, thanks!
[15:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ;)
[15:47] <rynop> how can you make an AMI out of an instance-store EC2 instance?  My EBS backed instances i can 1 click make AMI from the gui. Havent found a good guide for making ami from instance-store.
[15:47] <rynop> my instance is based off of the 10.10 64bit us-east
[15:58] <Daviey> lynxman: the queue is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+queue :)
[15:58] <lynxman> Daviey: thanks ^^
[15:58]  * lynxman loves when he asks in one server and gets replied in another one, this is true context switching
[15:58] <Daviey> :)
[16:01] <sunil> I want to generate heavy traffic on my network card, how can I do this,
[16:03] <lynxman> ping mvo
[16:04] <genii-around> sunil: You could do something like netcat, stream /dev/random or something
[16:04] <sunil> genii-around: I am looking for about 400MB/s traffic, do you think netcat can do this
[16:05] <genii-around> sunil: I think it would depend on the source of what you are sending. Might be the bottleneck there (like hd speed if it's a file, etc)
[16:05] <sunil> jaskal: I am using 23HDD on RAID0
[16:06] <sunil> jaskal: I am using 23HDD on RAID0
[16:06] <sunil> genii-around: am using 23HDD on RAID0
[16:07] <genii-around> work, afk
[16:07] <sunil> genii-around: 32TB ram
[16:08] <sunil> genii-around: xeon server
[16:17] <genii-around> sunil: If you have a massive file like 4G or so, with 2 machines you do: (machine with file on it)  cat 4g-filename | nc -l portnumber-here       (machine to receive file) nc <ip-of-machine-with-file>  portnumber-here > local-filename   eg: cat ubuntu-server.iso | nc -l 65534        and: nc <IP_ADDRESS> 65534 > ubuntu-server-copy.iso
[16:19] <sunil> genii-around: yes, I think this should work, but I have only one demo server.
[16:20] <genii-around> sunil: If you have 2 interfaces on the same box, you can use a crossover cable between them, then run the serve part on one interface, send it to the second interface
[16:20] <sunil> genii-around: yes, that demo server contains 2 interface
[16:21] <genii-around> sunil: If you do that, add like: -s <ip-address-of-interface-serving-file>  to the first command
[16:21] <sunil> genii-around: can you plz write command clearly for me
[16:23] <sunil> genii-around: nc <ip> <port> < filename
[16:23] <sunil> genii-around: do u think this will work
[16:26] <RoyK> if you have a gigabit interface or a newer 100Mbps card, crossover cable isn't needed - it's autosense
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: what's wrong with this, I think I'm missing something: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/617620/
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: in the debconf part
[16:27] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: +_Template: cobbler/server_and_next_server
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: should not use underscore?
[16:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right, not for that
[16:31] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: just for _Description
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok thanks
[16:58] <genii-around> Someone unplugged my network cord in another area of the building, took a while to track down
[17:02] <genii-around> sunil: an example with interface <IP_ADDRESS> sending file and <IP_ADDRESS> receiving, here I am sending an iso file:  on sending side: cat /home/mike/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso | nc -l <IP_ADDRESS> 65534      then on receiving side: nc -s <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> 65534 > /dev/null
[17:26] <slyboots> Anyone any suggestions for running virtualisaion software on a Ubuntu server (headerless host) I've tried Qmem and Virtualbox but both are demanding a full X windows enviroment to run/install
[17:33] <Ekx> Vortexirc looks for linux/chat interested people, if you want to join irc.vortexirc.com 6667  see ya :D
[17:54] <pmatulis> slyboots: kvm i guess
[17:54] <slyboots> pmatulis: I cant even get it to start, complains about no display being available
[17:55] <slyboots> And no kvm support
[17:55] <slyboots> Or "ROM"
[17:55] <pmatulis> !kvm | slyboots
[17:57] <slyboots> Fun, mny board doesnt support virtulasation
[17:58] <slyboots> Well that was fruitful ;)
[17:58] <geekbri> i missed the question, what are you trying to do slyboots?
[17:59] <slyboots> Run a virtual windows OS on my headerless Ubuntu server
[18:00] <slyboots> But apparently Im screwed, board doesnt support virtulasation and Virtualbox wants to install every package under the sun
[18:01] <geekbri> hrm yeah sorry, most of my expierence is with qemu.  I know there is a chapter in the official ubuntu server guide book on installing a vmware server, maybe that would be useful, i really dont know.
[18:01] <geekbri> sorry, wish i could be more of a help.
[18:01] <slyboots> Eh, Will jsut give up :P
[18:01] <slyboots> Figrue out another solution
[18:30] <maccam94> i'm trying to configure my ldap server to use ssl/tls, which involves generating a certificate using gnutls/certtool. the certificate generated from the ubuntu server guide is only valid for one year though. how can i make a certificate that is valid for 3 years?
[18:34] <zul> RoAkSoAx how is the cobbler stuff coming?
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> zul: almost finished
[18:34] <RoAkSoAx> zul: trying to reduce the description
[18:34] <zul> RoakSoak: cool send me the patch
[18:35] <maccam94> figured out my problem. had to add expiration_days = ### to the end of the ca.info file mentioned in the server guide
[18:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: does this make sense to you (including the description?): http://paste.ubuntu.com/617696/
[18:45] <RoAkSoAx> zul: if this also makes sense to you, then that's it for now http://paste.ubuntu.com/617696/
[18:46] <zul> looks sane
[18:46] <zul> although s/natty/oneiric/g
[18:47] <RoAkSoAx> zul better use this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/617706/
[18:48] <RoAkSoAx> minimally improved the description
[18:52] <zul> RoAkSoAx: cool im going to do a test build then uploade it
[18:54] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cool, thanks
[18:58] <zul> ok new git snapshot uploaded
[19:32] <amero> how do we install packages specifically from a ppa when you have another similar package name from the official repo?
[19:35] <genii-around> !pinning
[19:37] <Daviey> zul: How come you switched to using git$DATE for cobbler version string, i thought we were using bzr rev no?
[19:38] <zul> Daviey: right the ubuntu-virt repo is really old and dated so i thought we should start fresh
[19:39] <zul> besides that delta is based on 2.1.0 and current git diff
[19:41] <Daviey> zul: yeah, but lp:cobbler is constantly up to date :)
[19:42] <zul> right but 2.1.0 we have been using lp:ubuntu/cobbler
[19:42] <Daviey> I'm not sure a git checkout date is safe TBH.. what if there are multiple commits the same day?
[19:43] <Daviey> If you /really/ want to use git as reference, then surely a short hash is better?
[19:43] <Daviey> zul: err, lp:ubuntu/cobbler is unrelated to lp:cobbler
[19:43] <zul> Daviey: right but thats where all of our changes have been done (ie the refrence branch)
[19:44] <Daviey> zul: hmm..
[19:44] <Daviey> sure, but lp:cobbler is purely upstream.
[19:44] <Daviey> does that make sense?
[19:44] <zul> it does
[19:57] <Daviey> SpamapS: So what is ensemble anyway?  Where can i find out more info?
[19:57] <zul> SpamapS: oooh charts!
[19:59] <genii-around> Daviey: I found http://people.canonical.com/~niemeyer/ensemble/index.html pretty informative
[20:00] <amero> is it okay to have 2 libevent libraries of different version? one of them is compiled from source, and the other one is from offical repo
[20:00] <Daviey> sorry genii-around, it was a loaded question. :)
[20:01] <Daviey> but thanks!
[20:01] <genii-around> Heh!
[20:04] <SpamapS> Daviey: why, its good that you asked..  http://fewbar.com/2011/06/so-what-is-ensemble-anyway/
[20:04] <SpamapS> genii-around: http://ensemble.ubuntu.com is even better. :)
[20:05] <genii-around> SpamapS: Thanks
[20:06] <hallyn> cmagina: hey, regarding bug 789229, the previous commit to libmultipath/blacklist.c also seems good
[20:06] <hallyn> so unless you say otherwise, i'll use both of those
[20:06] <Daviey> SpamapS: You threw that together to answer my question?
[20:07] <SpamapS> Daviey: thats just how good Ensemble is.
[20:07] <SpamapS> Now hopefully my blog doesn't get *crushed* by the oncoming traffic. ;)
[20:07]  * SpamapS considers rebooting into c1.medium...
[20:09] <hallyn> oh, haha
[20:09] <cmagina> hallyn: yeah, the changes to blacklist.c fixed the issue i was experiencing
[20:09] <hallyn> cmagina: never mind, i was looking without quilt patches applied :)
[20:09] <cmagina> hallyn: heh
[20:10]  * hallyn getting tired, bumps the xterm font up a notch
[21:06] <jcastro> SpamapS: heh, never heard of siege until I read your blog, nice!
[21:17] <SpamapS> jcastro: it blows ab away..
[21:44] <Cheery> what debugging mechanisms are there for dovecot?
[21:44] <Cheery> I'm in middle of situation where I don't get the message body.
[21:45] <CrustyBarnacle> secure permissions for /var/www and publicly accessible?
[21:50] <zombi-> just dont a fresh install of ubuntu server
[21:50] <zombi-> as far as i can see apache is running as www-data but /var/www/ is root:root group/owner
[21:51] <zombi-> is there a good reason its root:root and not www-data:www-data ?
[21:52] <luite> usually apache only needs to read those directories, not own them or write to them :)
[21:54] <Cheery> oh.. dovecot doesn't actually just mess with my mail.. it actually loses it too. interesting
[21:54] <Cheery> well. 'loses'
[21:57] <viezerd> why ?
[21:57] <Cheery> I'm not sure.
[21:58] <Cheery> when postfix throws those things. they just end up nice
[21:58] <Cheery> into new/
[21:58] <Cheery> when I make dovecot fetch through my imap client, it loses them. :)
[21:58] <Cheery> they appear in cur/ -directory with :2 -postfix though
[21:58] <Cheery> but the client doesn't get them ever
[21:59] <Cheery> also refuses to remove those two now. interesting :)
[22:01] <hallyn> ppetraki: cmagina: right now, http://paste.ubuntu.com/617832/ shows the list of fixes which is in natty and oneiric, but not in lucid and maverick.
[22:03] <ppetraki> hallyn, so the only thing that's limiting me from testing this on lucid is machine time, my chassis aren't even mine anymore
[22:03] <hallyn> ppetraki: right, that' swhy those haven't been SRU'd, bc we can't test them sufficiently for those standards
[22:03] <ppetraki> hallyn, I have test -10 with failover and it worked "just as well" as the lucid versions, sans the killer FS bug
[22:04] <hallyn> ppetraki: so I suggest that we go through each of the bugs in that changelog diff,
[22:04] <hallyn> make sure there are SRU justifications, I'll push a package for lucid and maverick with all fixes,
[22:04] <hallyn> and you mark them all verified, bc you've verified them before
[22:04] <hallyn> or maybe we have cmagina test them one more time
[22:05] <ppetraki> hallyn, ok
[22:05] <hallyn> but lucid is gonna be worthless if we don't get those in
[22:05] <hallyn> ok.
[22:05] <ppetraki> lucid are is worthless :-{
[22:05] <hallyn> here i go on a marathon SRU justification writeup :(
[22:05] <hallyn> ssssh
[22:05] <ppetraki> no one knows yet, I know ;)
[22:08] <Cheery> Jun  3 23:59:23 boxbase dovecot: IMAP(cheery): maildir++: root=/home/vmail/cheery, index=, control=, inbox=/home/vmail/cheery
[22:08] <Cheery> huhhuh
[22:08] <ppetraki> hallyn, there may be cross depends with the most recent changes with initramfs
[22:09] <hallyn> really?  I thought it was all self contained?
[22:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, I'll have to test each version and find where it breaks
[22:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, no :(
[22:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, at least not in my experience, I wish I had the versions handy, but it was between the lucid/maverick initramfs + latest mp, and it didnt work
[22:10] <ppetraki> hallyn, *that* I can test, I just can't do failover right now
[22:11] <hallyn> oh, ok - we'll worry about failover when the rest works :)
[22:11] <hallyn> i think i'll beg SpamapS to help with straightening out the final mess
[22:13] <ppetraki> hallyn, ack, i'll take the bisect action in the meanwhile
[22:13] <hallyn> thx
[22:15] <SpamapS> hallyn: eh?
[22:16] <hallyn> SpamapS: multipath.  we haven't had the hw to properly test for SRUs.  So lucid and maverick are missing *7* fixes that are in natty/oneiric.  I'm working on that right now
[22:16] <hallyn> SpamapS: which means I intend to push one upload for lucid (and one for maverick) for all 7 bugs.
[22:17] <hallyn> some (at least one) actually had already made it to verification-done, but the package never got pushed to lucid-proposed I guess, or it got dropped form there by accident.  (not impossible :)
[22:17] <hallyn> anyway, 2 down 5 to go
[22:18] <SpamapS> hallyn: I presume these are not giant patches?
[22:18] <SpamapS> or if they are, they're at least straight forward
[22:19] <hallyn> no, they're not.  most of them came straight from upstream
[22:19] <hallyn> i can pastebin a full debdiff if you like
[22:19] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/617832/ shows the list of changes
[22:24] <hallyn> ppetraki: feh, on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multipath-tools/+bug/712840
[22:25] <hallyn> ppetraki: i guess i'll have to skip that one, since there is controversy
[22:25] <hallyn> which makes the whole thing messier
[22:26] <ppetraki> hallyn, if we had to question why debian does everything a certain way...
[22:26] <ppetraki> hallyn, sigh... fine
[22:26] <hallyn> yeah, but we can't change the pathanmes which are in use at an existing site during an SRU update, can we?
[22:27] <hallyn> that'll set us up for public flogging :)
[22:27] <ppetraki> hallyn, well, we mount by UUID, so it'll be transparent
[22:27] <hallyn> we do, but what funky things might the customers do with it?
[22:27] <ppetraki> hallyn, but for folks who actually have an fstab using wwids, that might be bad
[22:28] <hallyn> yeah
[22:28] <hallyn> all right, so all bugs updated, now to come up with a package
[22:28] <ppetraki> I've got a fresh install chugging away
[22:28] <ppetraki> the initramfs fix was backported right?
[22:31] <hallyn> i don't know which your'e talking about,
[22:32] <hallyn> you mean the mp fix, or a related fix to the initramfs sources?
[22:32] <hallyn> in any case, i dunno - the packages are all confused.  the bzr tree history is weird.
[22:34] <ppetraki> hallyn, we'll see if it's a brick after apt-get upgrade then
[22:34] <ppetraki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/687501
[22:35] <ppetraki> hallyn, sigh.. the upload was messed up, resulting in a failed verification
[22:36] <ppetraki> hallyn, so there's no point
[22:36] <ppetraki> :-/
[22:36] <hallyn> which one?
[22:36] <ppetraki> the one I just posted
[22:38] <hallyn> doh
[22:38] <ppetraki> hallyn, so the test lab uses an updated iso, looks like I have all the updates, just installed ubuntu10, we'll see...
[22:40] <ppetraki> hallyn, made it!
[22:41] <hallyn> excellent.
[22:41] <ppetraki> so we can upgrade multipath
[22:42] <ppetraki> grub is still terribly broken
[22:42] <ppetraki> hallyn, https://pastebin.canonical.com/48181/
[22:43] <ppetraki> but we're no more broken than we were before
[22:43] <ppetraki> just don't upgrade your kernel
[22:43] <ppetraki> no biggee right?
[22:44] <ppetraki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/688261
[22:44] <ppetraki> they duped it to the installer bug
[22:44] <hallyn> ppetraki: can you ping SpamapS on that one?  (i'd say cjwatson but he's out)
[22:45] <hallyn> ppetraki: that one needs to get pushed, obviously.
[22:45] <ppetraki> SpamapS, ping
[22:48] <ppetraki> hallyn, should I just move the bug back to incomplete?
[22:49] <SpamapS> ppetraki: pong
[22:49] <ppetraki> SpamapS, could you help me push this update along? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/687501
[22:50] <ppetraki> SpamapS, looks like a procedural  bug, and now it's languishing
[22:50] <hallyn> ppetraki: sorry i'm really not sure.  i'm not even sure what the last comment is referring to in that bug (i.e. why it failed)
[22:50] <hallyn> the verification succeeded,
[22:51] <ppetraki> hallyn, that's weird because I'm not getting the updated package
[22:51] <hallyn> phew, just one mor debdiff to reverse engineer
[22:51] <SpamapS> That one was blocked on a WUBI issue IIRC
[22:52] <hallyn> SpamapS: could an explanation of that be added to the bug, so someone can work on it?
[22:52] <hallyn> it's sort of an important one
[22:53] <ppetraki> SpamapS, it's really a platform for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/688261
[22:53] <SpamapS> hallyn: its right in the comments
[22:53] <hallyn> maybe iw as looking at the wrong bug before then
[22:53] <SpamapS> seems blocked on cjwatson's wubi fixes
[22:53] <hallyn> (i'm not opening that up before i finish this crap)

[22:53] <hallyn> servers get to hang so wubi will work.  good
[22:55] <hallyn> all RIGHT.  debdiffs applied.
[23:01] <hallyn> ppetraki: wait, is that applied to lucid though?
[23:01] <hallyn> SpamapS: my reading of that comment is that it's ok to push for lucid but not maverick
[23:01] <hallyn> ?
[23:03] <hallyn> ppetraki: if it's only maverick then i'm not particularly worried
[23:05] <ppetraki> hallyn, I'll be optimistic, for once, it would be terrible for this to miss the 10.3 window
[23:06] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'm really completely ignorant of the technical matters at hand.. and I think you'll need to get a +1 from cjwatson and/or pitti before we can move forward on it.
[23:07] <SpamapS> ppetraki: I believe there are 4 weeks left until it freezes.. could be wrong.
[23:08] <hallyn> ok, i'll send cjwatson an email
[23:09] <hallyn> SpamapS: so with apologies, I hand you the SRU nightmare...  proposed packages for lucid and maverick pushed.
[23:09] <SpamapS> hallyn: how many packages?
[23:09] <hallyn> oh, just two :)
[23:10] <SpamapS> ok thats not too bad
[23:10] <hallyn> with 6 changesets/linked-bugs for each
[23:10] <SpamapS> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[23:10] <hallyn> (they're identical)
[23:10] <SpamapS> That may be interesting in helping you guys to track it as a whole.
[23:11] <hallyn> i should probably watch that more closer than i do in general anyway
[23:11] <hallyn> SpamapS: thx, ttyl
[23:33] <FunnyLookinHat> If I install apache2-mpm-prefork - will it erase/overwrite everything I've setup in /etc/apache2/ ?  Or will it simply add the module and replace the necessary apache2 binaries?
[23:39] <zombi-> afaik only if you remove it with --purge option
[23:39] <zombi-> but i would back them up before the reinstall just in case
[23:50] <FunnyLookinHat> zombi-, better question, turns out prefork is already installed...
[23:51] <FunnyLookinHat> So how can I ensure it's being used instead of stock apache ?


[01:44] <wrst> hey cyberanger
[01:50] <cyberanger> how's things wrst
[01:50] <wrst> pretty good cyberanger don't hate me but trying out kde on ubuntu 10.10
[01:52] <wrst> or actually the kubuntu-desktop
[01:55]  * cyberanger doesn't hate wrst, just kde
[01:55]  * cyberanger points wrst to openbox or lxde
[01:56] <wrst> i know lots of people that use kde so i try to keep up to date plus with all the gnome changes coming i like to keep my options open
[01:57] <cyberanger> open, as in openbox ;-)
[02:07] <cyberanger> well, ubuntu is making alot of changes
[02:07] <cyberanger> & it's disconerning to me
[02:09] <wrst> well i don't really mind them i don't think :)
[02:14] <wrst> what has you so disturbed cyberanger?
[02:21] <cyberanger> mainly the removal or modifacation of gnu tools, getting rid of xorg
[02:21] <cyberanger> in short, alot of changes in an exteremly short amount of time
[02:23] <wrst> not for sure what that first one is cyberanger, but i suspect xorg won't be gone terribly soon
[02:24] <wrst> which really xorg makes sense its some really old technology
[02:41] <cyberanger> true, but it's not one item, it's the big picture
[02:43] <wrst> i kinda like it
[02:43] <wrst> i like it they aren't afraid to do their own thing
[02:55] <wrst> hello linuxman410
[02:56] <linuxman410> hi wrst
[02:57] <linuxman410> i am using linuxmint with openbox
[02:58] <linuxman410> wrst did u find a laptop
[02:59] <wrst> still looking linuxman410 probably be months before i buy :)
[02:59] <wrst> linuxman410: i have just never been a fan of mint
[02:59] <linuxman410> how come
[02:59] <wrst> its good but for some reason just never fit me have never tried the combo you are trying
[03:00] <wrst> i think its just because i don't like the default menu system linuxman410
[03:00] <linuxman410> i just installed debian 5.06 on another machine
[03:02] <wrst> i haven't had any natty updates in a few days, i'm thinking something is wrong
[03:03] <linuxman410> that does not sound rite
[03:07] <cyberanger> wrst: what mirror
[03:07] <cyberanger> do you use
[03:08] <wrst> had been using the US mirror but a bug report out need to disable extra repos and switch to main mirror seems to be fixing some
[03:08] <wrst> oh yeah that did it
[03:08] <wrst> 200MB's to dl
[03:14] <wrst> goodnight all
[03:23] <cyberanger> night wrst
[13:45] <Xpistos> morning everyone
[13:45] <Xpistos> wrst
[13:49] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[15:51] <cyberanger> morning Xpistos & wrst
[15:51] <wrst> cyberanger:  how are you doing?
[15:53] <cyberanger> not well, I shouldn't have stayed up all night (again)
[15:53] <cyberanger> just tired, but that's it
[15:55] <cyberanger> knocked out a bit of work on a few things, gotta stay up for another 3 or 4 hours, then I'll be out cold
[15:56] <wrst> yeah cyberanger you need to sleep on occassion :)
[16:14] <cyberanger> yeah, just on occassion, ugh
[16:23] <wrst> ha ha i kinda enjoy the whole sleep thing
[19:22] <Svpernova09> Hey netritious
[19:25] <wrst> hello Svpernova09 and netritious
[19:25] <Svpernova09> o.
[19:25] <Svpernova09> o/     rather
[19:48] <netritious> hey wrst, Svpernova09
[19:48] <netritious> what are you two up to?
[19:48] <wrst> monday of a short week netritious so i'm having fun and trying to fit a weeks worth of work into 3 days :)
[19:48] <wrst> how about you?
[19:50] <netritious> not much wrst...can't wait till Thu for that turkey and dressing!
[19:50] <Xpistos> so is Novell's sale a good thing or a bad one?
[19:51] <wrst> i love the dressing, i don't think so highly of the turkey :)
[19:51] <Svpernova09> Short work week, trying to be productive :_D
[19:54] <netritious> cool
[19:54] <netritious> Xpistos: not sure man...I had no idea Novell was considered so valuable
[19:55] <Xpistos> Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't novell hold a lot of valuable linux patents?
[19:55] <Xpistos> if that is true, according to the story, micrsoft is gong to buy several intellectual properties for 450 mill
[19:56] <Xpistos> that sounds not so good
[19:58] <netritious> I'm not sure Xpistos everything I've read seems to say that Suse will be kept separate, although nothing detailed described what 'keeping it separate' actually means
[19:58] <Xpistos> Attachmate says that it plans to operate Novell as two business units: Novel and SUSE and to join these with Attachmate and NetIQ, its other holdings. The completion of the acquisition is still subject to the usual regulatory conditions and to the approval of the stockholders.
[20:00] <netritious> I'm not to worried about it...I don't think the acquisition is going to change the landscape for Linux distributions as a whole
[20:01] <netritious> I do wonder what's going to happen to Mono though
[20:01] <netritious> which is the only free open source alternative to .NET
[20:16] <Xpistos> isn't  dot GNU the same too?
[20:19] <netritious> Xpistos: never heard of dot gnu
[20:32]  * cyberanger wishes he had a bigger hdd
[20:33] <cyberanger> kinda hard to apply https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+newmirror when the hdd is too small
[20:36] <cyberanger> so one project down, another two were sucessful today, one of which is done
[20:37] <cyberanger> netritious: have you ever thought of hosting a mirror?
[20:44]  * cyberanger seems to be missing all the activity lately
[20:47] <Xpistos> Non iPad tablet makers really fucked up this holiday
[20:47] <Xpistos> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/how-the-ipad-stole-androids-tablet-christmas/14753?tag=nl.e550
[20:48] <Xpistos> They could've made crazy money
[21:19] <netritious> cyberanger: I have
[21:20] <cyberanger> netritious: I started on that myself, but realized my drives are too small
[21:20] <cyberanger> did you actually do it, or just an idea?
[21:20] <netritious> it just depends on what you want to mirro...like I only mirror deb's and not src
[21:20] <netritious> yes I have a mirror for hardy and lucid
[21:21] <netritious> http://www.netritious.com/software/ubuntu/local-ubuntu-repository/
[21:23] <cyberanger> ah, yeah, that works (& probally could pass for what I'm really needing anyhow)
[21:25] <cyberanger> but what I'm wanting it'd be easier to setup apache2 & then run rsync twice, rsync://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu & rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:25] <cyberanger> becuase I do want it to be a public mirror, kinda have to do that
[21:25] <netritious> why are you making the mirror public?
[21:26] <netritious> and if you host a public mirror you should probably host src too
[21:27] <cyberanger> atm it boils down to most of my linux stunts, I know it works, I wanna see up close, or at least the more stubborn (& thankfully less common) idk, cause I can?
[21:28] <netritious> I was just curious :)
[21:28] <cyberanger> but later on (within a year) it'll help with some projects & after that I'll ship the drive to a remote place with alot of machines
[21:29] <cyberanger> oh, I wasn't saying that harshly, just explaining that sometimes I just feel like walking into a (metaphorical) minefield with no good reason why :-D
[21:29] <netritious> I didn't take it that way
[21:29] <Xpistos> Damn I can smell that turkey soup already!@
[21:30] <netritious> it's all good cyberanger ;)
[21:30] <netritious> brb
[21:31] <cyberanger> I know of a guy that is planing a coderspace in alaska, kinda remote in ISP terms (actually, more than isp terms) or some charities in Africa or Latin America
[21:31] <cyberanger> could be helpful with #swissknife-router
[21:32] <cyberanger> who knows, just a burning desire that isn't pointless, I'm just doing it irreguardless of the point ;-)
[21:34] <cyberanger> I like your setup (wasn't what I was expecting when I said mirror orignally) but for my uses I'm pretty much doing that with squid & ntp & cron
[22:00] <cyberanger> any way I look at it though, it will be useful
[22:01]  * cyberanger kicks ATF out of the channel with a full auto AK-74SU
[22:01] <Svpernova09> lol :_X
[22:02] <cyberanger> whata know, it worked better than expected
[22:02] <cyberanger> I was expecting ruby ridge


[06:24] <ekaj> I installed Ubuntu Server 12.04 on a Dell XPS 400, and I'm trying to connect to the internet... but when I do ifconfig, it just shows the loopback interface (no eth0) - I have an onboard ethernet port, and put ina card incase that port was bad, but neither work, and lspci shows both ethernet controllers... any idea what to do?
[06:29] <ekaj> Brb..
[06:37] <ekaj> Basically I am having this problem, but "sudo dhclient" isn't fixing it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62908/no-internet-connection-ifconfig-shows-errors
[06:40] <ekaj> Meh, found a fix
[06:53] <ekaj> Okay...
[06:53] <ekaj> I did 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' to turn on the port, but now it only has an IPv6 address and no IPv4, so it still won't work =p
[10:20] <vezq> try commenting out eth0 stuff from /etc/network/interfaces and reboot
[11:52] <ironm> good morning. I have managed it to install a ubuntu-server 12.04.1 VM on raw disk device due to the following .xml config file: dev75.xml_INIT http://paste.debian.net/207998/
[11:52] <ironm> I am able to boot from this raw disk device without kvm (after removing disk devices with kvm host) but I *can't* boot this images as VM (I use the following .xml config for the VM boot): dev75.xml_POST - http://paste.debian.net/208001/
[11:52] <ironm> What do I miss in dev75.xml_POST to get this VM image booting frow raw disk device /dev/sdb ?
[11:53] <ironm> thank you in advance for any hints.
[12:12] <sim642> Can someone explain how I could get audio working on Ubuntu Server?
[12:13] <ironm> sim642, does your server hardware support audio ?
[12:13] <sim642> It's an old laptop, so yes
[12:14] <ironm> sim642, have you tried to install the following alsa tools?
[12:15] <ironm> ii  alsa-base                             1.0.25+2+nmu2                        all          ALSA driver configuration files
[12:15] <ironm> ii  alsa-utils                            1.0.25-3                             amd64        Utilities for configuring and using ALSA
[12:15] <ironm> sim642, server is usually a machine without GUI
[12:16] <sim642> I have those alsa packages installed
[12:16] <sim642> Technically that laptop is a server, because the screen is broken
[12:17] <sim642> When i want to run alsamixer for example I get an error
[12:17] <sim642> "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory"
[12:18] <ironm> ironm@wheezy:~$ which alsamixer
[12:18] <ironm> /usr/bin/alsamixer
[12:19] <sim642> It's the same for me
[12:22] <sim642> ironm, well "sudo alsamixer" works fine
[12:22] <ironm> sim642, try to run this script (I wrote it for my wheezy debian live images ) .. they should work also for ubuntu 12.04
[12:22] <ironm> init-alsa-audio.sh
[12:22] <ironm> http://paste.debian.net/208009/
[12:23] <ironm> ok
[12:25] <ironm> s/they/it/
[12:27] <sim642> I just discovered that if I run audio-requiring programs with sudo then they all work
[12:28] <sim642> It'd be better if they worked without sudo too
[12:29] <ironm> sim642, you are missing your user added in /tc/group ... like audio:x:29:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> sim642, ironm@wheezy:~$ grep ironm /etc/group
[12:30] <ironm> cdrom:x:24:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> floppy:x:25:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> audio:x:29:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> dip:x:30:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> video:x:44:ironm
[12:30] <ironm> plugdev:x:46:ironm
[12:31] <sim642> I'm kind of new to this stuff, what's the number on each line?
[12:32] <TheLordOfTime> user id number i think
[12:32] <ironm> you need to add only the username after :
[12:32] <ironm> ":"
[12:33] <sim642> After adding that, do I need to reload the groups or something?
[12:33] <ironm> try it ;)
[12:34] <sim642> still doesn't work
[12:34] <ironm> sim642, reboot your system
[12:47] <sim642> ironm, It works! Thanks for the help
[12:47] <ironm> yaw :)
[14:59] <ton1c>
[16:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1068145 in puppet (main) "Fix for CVE-2012-3867 (puppet) is too restrictive - TLS certificates now break" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068145
[18:33] <duli> I'm trying to install ubuntu server 12.04 on a USB flash stick (8GB), but it stops on 31% (installing central packages). Any clues?
[18:51] <ironm> duli, why don't you use the ubuntu live image ?
[18:52] <ironm> duli, you can "dd" it to the usb stick and boot from it
[18:54] <qman__> because he probably wants a persistent system
[18:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1077434 in apache2 (main) "Apache 2.2.14 Server Status no longer available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077434
[18:56] <ironm> qman__, I can't remember if ubuntu live offers persistence live images
[18:56] <ironm> it is at least possible with debian live images
[18:58] <ironm> qman__, persistent system are not safe ... it is better to use non-persistent systems ...
[18:58] <ironm> and in case one need some other stuff just to create new live images with this additional content
[19:08] <qman__> what?
[19:08] <qman__> of course persistent systems are safe
[19:08] <qman__> what do you think installing is
[19:09] <qman__> just because he's installing to a flash drive doesn't mean he wants a live system
[19:09] <qman__> or even moving it to different hardware
[19:11] <ironm> persistent systems are easy to manipulate
[19:26] <anzenketh> I am trying to figure out how to disable the calendar php module. It looks like it is pre-compiled. Will I have to compile from scratch to get rid of it?
[19:35] <ikonia> anzenketh: why do you want to disable it ?
[19:35] <ikonia> anzenketh: is it causing a problem ?
[19:35] <anzenketh> Free up memory.
[19:35] <anzenketh> Don't need it.
[19:36] <ikonia> do you know how much memory it's using
[19:36] <ikonia> (that one module)
[19:36] <ikonia> do you know it's actually a module ?
[19:38] <anzenketh> It shows up on the php -m list.
[19:38] <ikonia> I'm not trying to be funny about it, it just seems a random thing to suggest
[19:39] <ikonia> recompiling the whole of PHP and breaking the package managers compatability for a core web component to disable a module you don't even known how much ram it's using
[19:39] <anzenketh> It is not necessarily that it itself is using up too much memory. It is that apache is using too much memory due to it has over 40 modules
[19:39] <anzenketh> Default
[19:39] <anzenketh> Of php
[19:40] <ikonia> anzenketh: I'd suggest looking at where apache is eating the ram
[19:40] <ikonia> disable any un-needed modules within apache
[19:40] <anzenketh> I know where. It has 40 php modules. running.
[19:41] <ikonia> anzenketh: how do you know that's eating the ram ?
[19:41] <anzenketh> Experance.
[19:41] <ikonia> anzenketh: how do you know it's those modules
[19:41] <duli> ironm: i'd like to use ubuntu on the flash drive as a server solely for manage virtual machines. The real storage will be built on 3 HDs using ZFS
[19:42] <anzenketh> From experance the more php modules you have enabled the more memory it eats up.
[19:42] <ikonia> anzenketh: that's not an acceptable proof
[19:42] <ikonia> for all you know those 40 modules could be using 1K between them
[19:42] <duli> I guess dd the installed system will be the solution
[19:43] <anzenketh> Also considering that there is no website running.
[19:43] <anzenketh> This is a default installation.
[19:43] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with it
[19:44] <anzenketh> # php -m |wc -l
[19:44] <anzenketh> 24
[19:44] <anzenketh> root     32207  0.0  4.2 47972 33276 ?       Ss   Oct15   1:46 /usr/sbin/httpd
[19:44] <anzenketh> # php -m |wc -l
[19:44] <anzenketh> 49
[19:44] <anzenketh> root      4268  0.0  0.5<PHONE_NUMBER>0 ?         I was hopeing there was some way to use dpkg--reconfigure to configure what modules to get installed.
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> want to know something?
[19:47] <ikonia> you're still not showing me any reason why you think this is eating ram
[19:47] <ikonia> you've just done a count on the php modules
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> dpkg-reconfigure only allows you to change its config-time stuff, not compile time.
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> and ikonia's right there's no ervidence here of it eating up memory
[19:47] <ikonia> we know the number, you've said the number, why do you thin it's eating ram, how much is it eating
[19:48] <anzenketh> I came here to ask a simple question. Is there a way to remove the php modules without re-configuring php
[19:48] <anzenketh> I think I have my answer it is no.
[19:48] <ikonia> I don't think you have your answer
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> we're trying to figure out whether your issue is actually php
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> or something else
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> if it is PHP, well fine, we'll help you rebuild it.
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> if it isn't, we can help narrow down the cause
[19:48] <ikonia> I think you're just flying blind and can't backup anything so dodging the question when people are actually trying to help you
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> i agree with ikonia
[19:48] <anzenketh> The top memory hog on my server is java
[19:48] <anzenketh> I already know that.
[19:48] <ikonia> anzenketh: ok, java is not apache
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> then don't use Java?

[19:49] <ikonia> anzenketh: but if you think you apache module is big, lets look at that
[19:49] <anzenketh> Can't it is required for a application on the server.
[19:49] <ikonia> anzenketh: how big is your apache process ?
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> that was a joke, i was being intentionally asinine :p
[19:49]  * TheLordOfTime points at ikonia's questions, and says "You should answer them"
[19:50] <anzenketh> www-data  4391  0.0  0.3 111412  6484 ?        S    12:35   0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[19:50] <ikonia> come on
[19:50] <anzenketh> root      4268  0.0  0.5<PHONE_NUMBER>0 ?        Ss   12:35   0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
[19:50] <anzenketh> Is the root.
[19:50] <ikonia> I want more than that
[19:50] <ikonia> the root is just the one that spawns the children
[19:50] <anzenketh> Yes I know.
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> ikonia's looking for cild processes too
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> child*
[19:51] <anzenketh> www-data 4391 0.0 0.3<PHONE_NUMBER> ? S 12:35 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start is the child
[19:51] <ikonia> anzenketh: you seem to think you know what you are doing, so I'll leave you to it
[19:51]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to deal with a misbehaving nginx server
[19:51] <ikonia> i'm not going to "beg" to help you or pull info out of you
[19:52] <shauno> it is valid to not that assumptions aren't evidence.  they're a start, not an endpoint
[19:52] <anzenketh> I apologize if I came off hostile. Do I know the specifics of ubuntu no. When disable extentions on the servers I am used too it is eaither recompile on cpanel servers or edit a extentions.ini file.
[19:53] <anzenketh> I know I am shaving off a small point percential
[19:54] <anzenketh> I came here with a question. I am trying to figure out how to disable the calendar php module. It looks like it is pre-compiled. Will I have to compile from scratch to get rid of it?
[19:55] <ikonia> anzenketh: I think you are making a bad call
[19:55] <ikonia> recopmiling something has big significance, and if you have nothing to suggest it's a problem, you are making a bad call
[19:55] <anzenketh> I won't recompile if it requires it.
[19:56] <ikonia> disabling things you have no evidence are a problem, is a bad idea
[19:56] <TheLordOfTime> anzenketh, ikonia's right, you know.
[19:56] <ikonia> it's up to you what you do, as I said, I'm not going to pull info out of you, you feel you know the problem without any reason, so I can't help you why you are just going to fly blind and not approach it logcially
[19:57] <ikonia> I won't comment on it again, good luck
[19:57] <anzenketh> Yes I am aware that ikonia is right. recompiling has big significance. Not only is it a lot of work it breaks things and it hard to undo.
[19:57] <anzenketh> Which is why I won't do it if it requires it.
[19:57] <TheLordOfTime> which is why we suggest you find evidence PHP modules are the problem.
[19:57] <TheLordOfTime> there's methods to reduce PHP's memory usage without messing with what modules it loads
[19:58] <anzenketh> I am not calling it being a problem. It is a performance tweak. A vary small one but when you back is up against the wall what are you going to do.
[19:58] <TheLordOfTime> heck, we run into that a lot with NGINX, its why one of our people (nginx's people) wrote a guide for configuring php correctly to use low-memory or low resources
[19:58] <TheLordOfTime> (granted, php5-fpm, but...)
[19:59] <TheLordOfTime> argh, lag...
[20:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1008385 in apache2-mpm-itk (main) "apache-mpm-itk writes wrong process name in /proc/$$/status" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008385
[20:02] <TheLordOfTime> i'm going to agree with ikonia, if you're going to plunge blindly into saying "I think the loaded modules are at fault" without even doing research or *testing* things that're online for streamlining its mem usage (PHP), i'm going to walk off as we
[20:02] <TheLordOfTime> ll
[20:02] <TheLordOfTime> and to answer your question about what to do when you're up against the wall:
[20:03] <TheLordOfTime> "Ask for help finding out what is at fault with eating up the memory.  Not blindly assuming something the software loads automatically is the problem."
[20:03]  * TheLordOfTime walks off to find coffee
[20:03] <anzenketh> Thank you for your assistance. I am getting the impression that it is not possible to disable the default PHP modules without re-compiling. So due to the problems with re-compiling and time time required to repackage it I am just not going to worry bout it.
[20:04] <anzenketh> I will continue to research the real problem. Java.
[20:32] <asdadasdas> hi, how can i enable root acces to SFTP with Openssh
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> you shouldnt.
[20:39] <asdadasdas> hi, how can i enable root acces to SFTP with Openssh
[20:50] <guntbert> asdadasdas: simply said: don't - what is your real goal?
[21:35] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1077483 in autofs5 (main) "automount.8: "Macro ".RE" without ".RS"; some spelling corrections to the manual" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077483
[22:14] <ChmEarl> any real difference between useradd & adduser ?
[22:15] <andol> ChmEarl: adduser is a higher level Perl script which relies on the useradd binary.
[22:15] <guntbert> ChmEarl: one is the tool that actually does the dirty work (not recommended to invoke directly), the other does things a little smoother
[22:16] <ChmEarl> andol, thanks - I never had to add -m
[23:30] <gdeeble> Evening, just curious if anyone can help me with Vlans and using EBox/Zentyal? I set up each vlan(vlan1 and Vlan2) in the network interfaces, and when I restart now, the server can't get out to the internet but will work internally, but causes Samba not to start. I am just playing around with this but trying to learn as I want to divide my network up in time so that I have my computers
[23:30] <gdeeble> on 1 vlan and my other devices on another vlan. Maybe I'm going about this wrong and someone can show me the right way. Currently there is just a hub off the server for testing.
[23:33] <duli> anybody out there using zfs on ubuntu?
[23:34] <duli> does it work properly?
[23:34] <ikonia> it works in the sense of a fuse file system
[23:35] <ikonia> it's not in the official ubuntu kernel, so you'll need to get an external kernel
[23:35] <duli> ikonia: hum, ok, but in terms of stability, replacing drives etc.
[23:36] <ikonia> depends on where you get the kernel from
[23:36] <ikonia> the patche versions, the base kernel it's applied to, who builds it etc
[23:36] <duli> I was hoping to install the dkms through the ppa
[23:36] <duli> ppa:zfs-native/stable
[23:37] <duli> but I won't go through the trouble if someonte tells me "it's not worth it"
[23:38] <ikonia> it's worth trying if you want zfs, but just keep in mind it's not in the mainline kernel, so it's stability will depend how the kernel progress and the compatability with the patches
[23:38] <duli> hum, ok
[23:39] <ikonia> if you want ZFS though, I'd use an OS that supports it properly
[23:39] <ikonia> (from my perspective)
[23:39] <duli> the concept of having hds being used as if they were RAM is very attractive
[23:40] <duli> but I'm not willing to get away from ubuntu in order to use it
[23:40] <ikonia> err as if they are ram.....
[23:40] <ikonia> it's just disk pools


[01:56] <Bashing-om> RMB: Latest applicant: Youngbin Han (ybhan) - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/youngbin-han-membership-application/25669.
[09:53] <nicoz-> hi people ...
[09:59] <nicoz-> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-membership-certificate-form/23134/18
[10:00] <nicoz-> What happen?? have you read bernard's post?
[10:19] <nicoz-> I’m incredulous about what Bernard wrote
[11:27] <Kilos> hggdh  can you  please look into what the above link is about
[11:28] <Kilos> anyone else on the CC please check
[11:30] <nicoz-> is very important
[11:33] <Kilos> 2 months old
[11:35] <Kilos> madhens  do you know what he is on about?
[16:00] <juliank> o/
[16:00] <dbungert> o/
[16:00] <slyon> o/
[16:00] <waveform> o/
[16:00] <ginggs> o/
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:01] <jawn-smith> o/
[16:01] <ogayot> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:01:40 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:01] <mclemenceau> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[16:02]  * bdmurray does the shuffle
[16:02] <bdmurray> sil2100 alexghiti schopin vorlon dbungert ginggs slyon waveform juliank ogayot jawn-smith mwhudson xypron bdmurray doko
[16:02] <bdmurray> sil2100: ready?
[16:02] <sil2100> Oh
[16:02] <sil2100> Yes
[16:02] <sil2100> * Half-day off last Friday
[16:02] <sil2100> * +1 Maintenance
[16:02] <sil2100>   - Sadly, couldn't spend 100% of time on that
[16:02] <sil2100> * SRU reviews and releases
[16:02] <sil2100> * Ubuntu Core:
[16:02] <sil2100>   - Tested refreshed ubuntu-core 18 amd64 images on kvm
[16:02] <sil2100>   - Released the ubuntu-core 18 images to stable
[16:02] <sil2100>   - Phased out a new core20 release to stable
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Worked on another alert script informing about new snaps waiting in the candidate channel
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Investigated issue regarding the rebuild automation triggering core20 snaps 'too early'
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Prepared fix using rmadison output to the issue above
[16:03] <sil2100> * Ubuntu Image:
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Reviewed PR adding the --validation flag from William
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Reviewed PR for fixes to Pi fstab handling from William
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Digging into some issues with --snaps for UC20
[16:03] <sil2100> * Take home test reviews
[16:03] <sil2100> * Performing a work estimate for backporting lldpd from jammy to xenial
[16:03] <sil2100>   - Did a test build, ran autopkgtests - all looking good
[16:03] <sil2100> * Intel IOT minor work
[16:03] <sil2100> * Discussion and sending out 20.04.4 release date changes announcements
[16:03] <sil2100> * Work on the WSL cdimage/isotracker spec
[16:03] <sil2100> * Investigating the feasibility of some custom ISO builds
[16:03] <sil2100> (done)
[16:03] <bdmurray> alex is out
[16:03] <bdmurray> schopin:
[16:03] <schopin> * Investigated gobject-introspection related autopkgtest regressions, fruitlessly so far
[16:03] <schopin> * A bunch of OpenSSL 3.0 related uploads
[16:03] <schopin> * Some PTO
[16:04] <schopin> * Started working on an MIR for the Rust build ecosystem
[16:04] <schopin> ✓ done
[16:04] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:04] <vorlon>  * tag-teamed tracking down the pam autopkgtest regressions (regression in handling of an entry in /etc/environment without a trailing newline)
[16:04] <vorlon>  * fixed opencv regressions, then found we had merged the one version of opencv that broke ABI; re-merged it, rebuilt it again after libgdal30 landed, now is actually close to being migratable
[16:04] <vorlon>   * found that it had a dependency on the new poppler migrating; fixed a segfault in new poppler that broke r-cran-pdftools autopkgtests, now discussing the fix with upstream
[16:04] <vorlon>  * batch uploads of rebuilds against libssl3
[16:05] <vorlon>  * chasing down individual reverse-dependencies of openssl that were FTBFS in proposed, fixing or removing
[16:05] <vorlon>  * batch uploads against libgdal30
[16:05] <vorlon> (done)
[16:05] <dbungert> * node-jquery - fix remaining regressions with retests with the right triggers
[16:05] <dbungert> * numpy - fix remaining regressions with retests and with an upload for
[16:05] <dbungert> LP: #1953205 and debian bug 997756
[16:05] <dbungert> * subiquity and os-prober - support ready for os-prober, working to
[16:05] <dbungert> incoroporate os-prober into the subiquity snap
[16:05] <dbungert> * subiquity and proxy - LP: #1953619 - fixed
[16:05] <dbungert> * subiquity and ubuntu-advantage - helping plan the integration
[16:05] <dbungert> * curtin - 21.3 release
[16:05] <dbungert> (done)
[16:05] <bdmurray> ginggs:
[16:05] <ginggs> * still busy adding python3.10 as a supported version
[16:05] <ginggs> * helped numpy migrate
[16:05] <ginggs> * IBM merged my fuse3 changes to s390-tools \o/ LP: #1935666
[16:05] <ginggs> (done)
[16:05] <slyon> - sponsored systemd 249.5-2ubuntu2 (LP: #1650688)
[16:05] <slyon> - refining systemd SRUs (incl. some PPA pre-testing with other teams)
[16:05] <slyon> - discussions around dbus/systemd crash, LP: #1871538
[16:05] <slyon> - take-home test review
[16:05] <slyon> - MIR request dh-elpa-helper (LP: #1951066)
[16:05] <slyon> - MIR review/approval libdecor-0 (LP: #1952130)
[16:05] <slyon> - MIR ccache vs hiredis => unseeded ccache, needs AA for demotion
[16:05] <slyon>   https://code.launchpad.net/~slyon/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/412899
[16:05] <slyon> [16:05] <slyon> - Prepared https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/247 to fix NM integration
[16:05] <slyon>   issue, needs testing & review (LP: #1952967)
[16:05] <slyon> - Fixed Focal/riscv issue with latest SRU & re-verification
[16:05] <slyon> - Looking into https://github.com/canonical/netplan/pull/244 review
[16:05] <slyon> ✓ done
[16:06] <bdmurray> waveform:
[16:06] <waveform> * Figured out the missing system-boot partition on jammy server images was due to new ubuntu-image (LP: #1950677 and https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-image/pull/30)
[16:06] <waveform> * Investigated reports of 5GHz wifi not working on Core 18 images (on Pi 4 only)
[16:06] <waveform> * Awaiting permissions request for pi-bluetooth on Core 18 (https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connection-request-pi-bluetooth/27748)
[16:06] <waveform> * Worked on fixing update-initramfs on Pi Zero 2 under impish and jammy (LP: #1950214)
[16:06] <waveform> * ... which needs some administrivia on lz4 (LP: #1953407)
[16:06] <waveform> * ... and found that 21.04.3 got missed in the history of ubuntu-settings (included missing changes in patch for the above)
[16:06] <waveform> * ... and fell down a related rabbit hole of compression comparisons (https://github.com/waveform80/compression/blob/master/analysis.ipynb)
[16:06] <waveform> * Tested fixes for needrestart breaking bluetooth on Pi (LP: #1953046)
[16:06] <waveform> * Take home test
[16:06] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[16:06] <waveform> (done)
[16:06] <bdmurray> juliank:
[16:07] <juliank> * grub 2.06 uploaded to jammy
[16:07] <juliank> * command-not-found 22.04
[16:07] <juliank> * upstream grub work
[16:07] <juliank> * revisiting default initramfs compression thread
[16:07] <juliank> (done)
[16:07] <bdmurray> ogayot:
[16:07] <ogayot> * Continuing with enboarding phase
[16:07] <ogayot> * Added first stage implementation of Ubuntu Advantage integration into Subiquity (PR opened)
[16:07] <ogayot> * Working on implementing second stage
[16:08] <ogayot> * Fixed issue with libwww-mechanize-shell-perl blocking some packages in proposed migrations (LP: #1953344)
[16:08] <ogayot> (done)
[16:08] <jawn-smith> * ubuntu-image
[16:08] <jawn-smith>     * LP: #1950677 fix fstab logic discovered in raspi images
[16:08] <jawn-smith>     * LP: #1933665 add validation flag
[16:08] <jawn-smith> * RISC-V summit
[16:08] <jawn-smith> * uploaded dpkg changes to check for @canonical.com email addresses in addition to @ubuntu.com
[16:08] <jawn-smith> [done]
[16:08] <bdmurray> jawn-smith: it looks like we'll need a dpkg merge soon
[16:08] <bdmurray> xypron:
[16:09] <xypron> I was this week at the RISC-V summit. We were demonstrating Ubuntu on SiFive Unmatched <done/>
[16:09] <doko> - preparing power9 builds
[16:09] <doko> - test rebuilds with published packages not working, filed LP issue
[16:09] <doko> - meeting with compiler engineers about long-double format changes on ppc64el
[16:09] <doko> - some python migration work
[16:09] <doko> - filed more upstream issues for GCC 12 bootstrap issues
[16:09] <doko> (done)
[16:09] <bdmurray> sponsored netcat-openbsd merge for waveform
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into pycountry autopkgtest failures LP: #1953072
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into focal ISO image being oversized
[16:09] <bdmurray> uploaded SRU (f,h,i) fixes for LP: #1821412
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into F to J upgrades failing (LP: #1951096)
[16:09] <bdmurray> confirmed the above is fixed now
[16:09] <bdmurray> sru-verification of lintian (LP: #1951310)
[16:09] <bdmurray> sent 21.04 EoL warning email
[16:10] <bdmurray> digging into a dist-upgrade failure from an ubuntu-announce reader
[16:10] <bdmurray> built, uploaded a Focal version of gdb fixing LP: #1927192
[16:10] <bdmurray> built a jammy arm64 server live image for paride with a PPA package
[16:10] <bdmurray> investigation into ntp not being on merges.ubuntu.com
[16:10] <bdmurray> submitted an MP for lp-ftbfs-report
[16:10] <bdmurray> merged seed change dropping ccache
[16:10] <bdmurray> interviews
[16:10] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:10] <bdmurray> Any questions about status?
[16:11] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[16:11] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:12] <bdmurray> bug 1953135
[16:13] <bdmurray> It sounds like the check is wrong and its an easy fix so let's just do it
[16:13] <bdmurray> bug 1953470 was unrecreatable so let's leave it alone
[16:13] <vorlon> mark the bug incomplete?
[16:13] <bdmurray> Okay
[16:14] <bdmurray> bug 1953046
[16:14] <waveform> I'm nearly done testing the fix for that one (will post a debdiff for it shortly)
[16:14] <bdmurray> A card would probably be helpful to track sponsoring it
[16:15] <bdmurray> Also will it need SRU'ing
[16:15] <bdmurray> ?
[16:15] <waveform> yes, it probably will
[16:15] <waveform> (as for sponsoring, I have upload rights on that pkg)
[16:15] <jawn-smith> I can sponsor that one :)
[16:15] <bdmurray> Okay so we'll make the card to track the SRU and not the sponsorship
[16:16] <bdmurray> rls-ii-incoming is empty
[16:16] <bdmurray> so is rls-ff-incoming for foundations but I did notice another bug
[16:16] <bdmurray> bug 1869218
[16:16] <bdmurray> Based off laney's last comment it looks like we should submit an RT for that
[16:17] <bdmurray> I'll just go ahead and submit that RT, I don't think we need a card for it though
[16:18] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:18] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[16:19] <vorlon> #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:19] <vorlon> only 49 packages, whoo
[16:19] <vorlon> python-crypto: skipping as discussed
[16:19] <vorlon> dbus-python: this one has been stuck as a candidate for a while, the problem is it drops some debug binary packages which break reverse-dependencies; so needs attention
[16:20] <vorlon> dbungert: was this one you were working on before?
[16:20] <slyon> that was on me last time, let me have another look
[16:20] <vorlon> slyon: ok thanks
[16:20] <dbungert> vorlon: I was looking at packages that depended on dbus-python so related but not my task exactly
[16:21] <vorlon> libregexp-pattern-license-perl, licensecheck: this also needs attention (failing autopkgtests)
[16:21] <vorlon> though it's also still blocked by the MIR, so not urgent
[16:21] <vorlon> if someone wants it please take it, otherwise I'll skip it for now
[16:22] <juliank> the MIR needs to be fully written
[16:22] <vorlon> oh
[16:22] <vorlon> who's doing that?
[16:22] <slyon> it's not yet assigned
[16:22] <slyon> but in the backlog
[16:22] <vorlon> hmm ok
[16:23] <vorlon> since it's a proposed-migration task, can someone take it now and take the card? :)
[16:23] <vorlon> slyon?
[16:24] <juliank> MIR link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libio-interactive-perl/+bug/1951067
[16:24] <juliank> (also needed for lintian)
[16:25] <vorlon> let's give this to ogayot
[16:25] <juliank> (lintian also needs libio-prompt-tiny-perl too, fwiw)
[16:26] <vorlon> schopin: we discussed gobject-introspection last week, did you have a chance to look at it again?
[16:26] <slyon> I did plenty of MIR work recently and would like to pass on this (so I can do the reviews on the other side of the table)
[16:27] <schopin> vorlon: yes. I *think* the issues are related to the Python 3.10 and Ruby 3.0 migrations. I still have to come up with the fixes.
[16:27] <vorlon> schopin: ok
[16:27] <vorlon> iso-codes
[16:27] <vorlon> bdmurray: are you still on this one?
[16:27] <bdmurray> I found some upstream patches and since it is moving I guess we should incorporate them
[16:28] <vorlon> ginggs: python3-defaults?
[16:31] <vorlon> sounds like we have a plan on python3-defaults (reviewing the remaining regressions and probably hinting to skip the rest)
[16:31] <ginggs> i plan to go through the bug reports filed in debian and see if we have failures that don't have bugs filed
[16:32] <vorlon> slyon: are you still on cmake?
[16:32] <slyon> vorlon: yes. I did the component-mismatch/MIR work, but there are some more failures that need looking at
[16:32] <vorlon> ok
[16:32] <vorlon> sed ftbfs on armhf
[16:33] <vorlon> waveform: would you like this one? :)
[16:33] <waveform> vorlon, ok :)
[16:33] <vorlon> git breaks mercurial (again)
[16:33] <vorlon> sil2100: can you take this?
[16:34] <sil2100> ah yes
[16:34] <sil2100> !
[16:34] <vorlon> lxml is another package that's dropping debug packages, so making revdeps uninstallable
[16:34] <vorlon> juliank: can you take lxml please?
[16:34] <juliank> ack
[16:34] <vorlon> ccache is just a demotion, I'll take care of that now
[16:34] <slyon> bdmurray sponsored my ccache unseeding (thanks!), this needs an AA for demoting
[16:34] <slyon> thanks vorlon
[16:34] <vorlon> lintian, MIRs discussed above; there's also an autopkgtest regression there
[16:34] <vorlon> doko: could you look at lintian vs lintian-brush?
[16:35] <doko> ok
[16:35] <vorlon> thanks
[16:35] <vorlon> perl-openssl-defaults is fun, libcrypt-openssl-pkcs10-perl needs fixed or removed vis-à-vis openssl 3
[16:35] <vorlon> dbungert: ^^ do you want to look at this?
[16:35] <dbungert> vorlon: ack
[16:36] <vorlon> jawn-smith: are you available to take one for the coming week?
[16:36] <jawn-smith> I'm on +1 this week, does that disqualify me?
[16:36] <jawn-smith> I can take one if not
[16:36] <vorlon> jawn-smith: libio-socket-ssl-perl vs libnet-ssleay-perl, please :)
[16:37] <jawn-smith> got it o/
[16:37] <vorlon> did I miss anyone?
[16:38] <bdmurray> mwhudson: ?
[16:38] <vorlon> fwiw I notice fwupd is missing a corresponding upload of fwupd-signed, if someone wanted to do a quick upload of that
[16:38] <vorlon> bdmurray: he has python-click still :)
[16:39] <vorlon> bdmurray: back to you
[16:39] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:39] <bdmurray> Anything else going on?
[16:39] <bdmurray> The 20.04.4 point release was moved
[16:40] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks everybody!
[16:40] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:40:34 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-12-09-16.01.moin.txt


[03:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:29] <ducasse> good morning
[12:03] <yurtesen> good afternoon
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> Olá!!!
[12:57] <semitones> Do you think ubuntu will ever switch to flatpak, like they did with Mir->Wayland, and Unity->Gnome3
[13:09] <EriC^^> semitones: i think unity an mir going from them was about the phone-endeavor shutting down, they wanted initially to make phones and mir and unity were a big part of it, afaik
[13:10] <semitones> and I guess snaps still make a lot of sense for them for containerized apps in servers, regardless of what is happening on desktop
[13:15] <EriC^^> aha
[13:16] <EriC^^> no idea what flatpaks are tbh
[13:17] <semitones> it is the implementation of containerized apps that the other distros use, like Steam OS
[13:18] <EriC^^> i see
[13:20] <leftyfb> semitones: to be clear, other distro's support flatpak in the same way ubuntu supports it, just like snap. I don't know of a single distro that is only based on flatpak. They all have some underlying package manager it's built on that isn't flatpak. SteamOS is based on Debian which uses deb/dpkg but also support flatpak, just like ubuntu
[13:20] <semitones> i thought the other distros installed flathub by default, where ubuntu installs the snap store by default
[13:21] <semitones> flathub or other software centers, i don't really know
[13:21] <leftyfb> some do, some don't. Just like snap
[13:46] <ogra> semitones, snaps are massively used commercially by canonical customers since 2015 (long before flatpak even existed), i doubt you will see them, go away as long as customers pay for it
[13:47] <leftyfb> unlike flakpak, there's an entire OS built on only snap for packages
[13:47] <ogra> also there is the whole Ubuntu Core product line that is completely built from snaps (kernel, rootfs, even the bootloader is a snap there), that is commercially successful in industrial, IoT, embedded, robotics, digital signage etc etc ...
[13:47] <ogra> heh leftyfb beats me 🙂
[13:48] <leftyfb> I have 38 snaps installed on my main worksation. zero flatpaks
[13:48] <ogra> flatpaks are a noce delivery mechanism for some desktop apps ... but totally not comparable to snaps which are a whole packaing ecosystem
[13:48] <ogra> s/noce/nice/
[13:50] <leftyfb> full disclosure, only 19 of which I installed myself
[13:50] <ogra> my laptop has 110 snaps .. desktop 82 ...
[13:51] <ogra> and my house has about 20 UbuntuCore systems running ... one controlling the heating system of the house, one as my TV running kodi and a few DVB cards ... etc etc
[13:54] <leftyfb> lol, Kolusion just got banned from #linux for being Kolusion.
[13:54] <ogra> oh my
[13:56] <leftyfb> he's also been banned from freebsd
[13:56] <leftyfb> professional victim that one
[13:58] <leftyfb> ooo   tomreyn , you banned them yesterday in #u ?
[13:59] <ogra> yes, and they complained in #u-devel
[14:00] <ogra> (see backlog there)
[14:00] <leftyfb> I'm not in there, no backlog for it in my logs
[14:00] <ogra> ah
[14:01] <ogra> well, they joined and called people in #u retards ... then complained for being called out offensive 🙂
[14:02] <leftyfb> seems to be one of their goto words