[12:01] <LjL> http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[12:01] <LjL> no .deb though anymore
[12:03] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[12:03] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[12:04] <beefsprocket> _td: no, but are you using wpa or wep?
[12:04] <`Nomad> excellent, thanks, I was googling for it
[12:04] <LjL> `Nomad: it should be all written in some scripting language, so hopefully it won't need any installation
[12:07] <`Nomad> There,s source and rpm.  I'll try converting the RPM to a deb first, and if that fails I'll compile from scratch
[12:07] <LjL> `Nomad: i'm sorry it isn't turning out as easy as i had stated, but i didn't imagine they had removed winetools from the repository
[12:07] <`Nomad> I'm also removing wine and re-installing
[12:07] <LjL> are you sure it's *source*?
[12:07] <LjL> don't reinstall wine, no need to... just move your current .wine directory somewhere else, like .wine-old
[12:07] <`Nomad> This is quite fine.. easy enough.. Hard is trying to get my *?!%#& printer to work :)
[12:08] <Zeusz> hy all
[12:08] <_td> beefsprocket: i turned off security in order to get it working - just to see it work
[12:08] <Zeusz> can u pls tell me where can I install new fonts ?
[12:08] <_td> beefsprocket:  i was working the issue a minute ago with another person who asked me to try that
[12:08] <beefsprocket> but even then it doesn't?
[12:08] <beefsprocket> Zeusz: use system settings, fonts
[12:09] <beefsprocket> _td: did it work?
[12:09] <LjL> `Nomad: i've got the .tar.gz, that doesn't look like source - it still needs to be installed, but according to the INSTALL file, it's a matter of running "./install"
[12:09] <_td> beefsprocket: yes, i can see the wlan, and when i do dhclient3 wlan0 dosnt work
[12:09] <_td> beefsprocket: no, it is not working
[12:09] <beefsprocket> kk
[12:09] <LjL> `Nomad: (i mean, it *does* look like source, just not that kind of source that needs to be compiled :)
[12:10] <Zeusz> 10x
[12:10] <beefsprocket> _td: try setting your ip and settings manually
[12:11] <beefsprocket> did I read somewhere that you have dwl-650+?
[12:11] <_td> beefsprocket: hm, ok -- how?
[12:11] <_td> beefsprocket: yes, 650+
[12:11] <beefsprocket> well, lets see. you can use system settings for gui, or you can edit /etc/networking/interfaces
[12:12] <beefsprocket> also, can you see any other ap's around you?
[12:12] <_td> beefsprocket: how do i check for other APs?
[12:13] <beefsprocket> well, use the same tool that you use to see yours -- kwifimanager, wifiradar, kismet (great tool this), network-manager
[12:15] <Knowerrors> Anybodby know how to get Synaptic to have same look/them as rest of kde?  I have gtk look and feel configured, so most of my apps do have plastic them, including gaim and openoffice, Synaptic and qtparted are two that don't
[12:16] <monteiro> is there any installed firewall with kubuntu ?
[12:16] <Knowerrors> monteiro: yup, iptables
[12:16] <Knowerrors> its built into linux
[12:16] <Knowerrors> preconfigured, very secure for most people
[12:18] <`Nomad> LjL: I reinstalled wine, and installed winetools:  Here's what I get.. Does it make any sense to you?   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537732
[12:19] <monteiro> Knowerrors: but with any default rules ?
[12:19] <LjL> `Nomad: looks like it can't find Xdialog... did you install from rpm or .tar.gz in the end?
[12:19] <Knowerrors> monteiro: the way kubuntu/ubuntu comes with default rules is quite secure
[12:20] <`Nomad> rpm
[12:20] <LjL> `Nomad: try "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/Xdialog /usr/local/bin/Xdialog"
[12:20] <Knowerrors> go test your kubuntu installation on sequrity sites like pcflank and symanatech
[12:20] <`Nomad> did it, same thing
[12:20] <`Nomad> am I missing Xdialog?
[12:20] <LjL> `Nomad: don't think so, if "ln -s" didn't give you an error
[12:21] <Knowerrors> `Nomad: you know how to get Synaptic and Qtparted to look the same as rest of KDE?
[12:21] <LjL> `Nomad: (or just try typing "Xdialog")
[12:21] <`Nomad> yup, just tested it, I don't have it..
[12:21] <`Nomad> that may be my whole problem :)
[12:21] <LjL> `Nomad: i would personally remove the rpm and use the tar.gz, after all that's what the author says Debian users should use...
[12:21] <`Nomad> oh?
[12:22] <`Nomad> ok I will
[12:22] <LjL> `Nomad: oh. thought it was a default tool, really. anyway, the package is called "xdialog", surprisingly ;)
[12:22] <LjL> no
[12:22] <LjL> if you didn't have xdialog, try installing it first
[12:22] <monteiro> Knowerrors: i'm just asking , because i installed kubuntu and my internet is very slow when loading webpages
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: try downloading a large file with wget to actually know what speeds you're getting
[12:23] <medgno> is there a known problem with the keyboad layout section of control center in 3.5.1?
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: like the Ubuntu ISO from the fastest mirror you can find, for example
[12:23] <Knowerrors> monteiro: do you connect directly to net (broadband) or dialup?
[12:23] <`Nomad> weird, it seems to be unable to setup .wine as me, in my home dir
[12:23] <LjL> Knowerrors: sorry, clearly i wanted to address monteiro
[12:24] <Knowerrors> LjL: that wasn't my question :)
[12:24] <monteiro> Knowerrors: broadband
[12:24] <Knowerrors> np
[12:24] <LjL> `Nomad: perhaps a .wine/ directory has somehow already been created that is owned by root?
[12:25] <Knowerrors> monteiro: have you tried a speed test site? test it on ubuntu, then test on windows, same computer if possbile
[12:26] <`Nomad> nope, but it's all going now usin gthe tar file
[12:26] <`Nomad> ;)
[12:26] <monteiro> Knowerrors: i've tested opening the same webpage and in windows 4 seconds, in kubuntu 30 seconds and don't opens all images
[12:27] <LjL> `Nomad: that's good, hope the rpm hasn't done funny stuff to any files
[12:27] <Knowerrors> monteiro: you try multiple browsers?
[12:27] <monteiro> Knowerrors: yes, same think
[12:27] <Knowerrors> firefox, mozilla, opera
[12:27] <medgno> is the keyboard layout applet barren for anyone else on 3.5.1?
[12:27] <LjL> monteiro: you using the same DNS server as you were in Windows?
[12:28] <monteiro> yes
[12:28] <`Nomad> Argh!!  I wish I could back out of 3.5.1:    /usr/local/bin/wt: line 130: 14277 Segmentation fault      winecfg -D
[12:28] <LjL> hmm
[12:28] <LjL> (3.5.1?)
[12:28] <slow-motion> n8
[12:29] <`Nomad> KDE 3.5.1
[12:29] <`Nomad> Look at what happens running wine file.exe
[12:29] <LjL> i don't think that could be KDE's fault though
[12:29] <`Nomad> wine FileZilla_2_2_18_setup.exe
[12:29] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
[12:29] <`Nomad> ever since I updated to 3.5.1, lots of segmentation faults
[12:29] <LjL> do you have a .wine/drive_c/windows?
[12:29] <LjL> well i'll keep my 3.5.0 then ;)
[12:30] <`Nomad> looks liek it created them yes
[12:30] <LjL> try "sudo chown -R youruser .wine/" perhaps
[12:30] <`Nomad> Shoudl I switch back to the .wine I backed up?
[12:31] <LjL> well, winecfg didn't work there either, did it
[12:31] <LjL> `Nomad: hey hold on a second, what does "wine --version" say?
[12:32] <LiteHedded> i need VNC help!
[12:32] <Knowerrors> monteiro: maybe its your net card... is it wireless? maybe driver no good or setup wrong
[12:32] <LjL> `Nomad: because i've just run aptitude dist-upgrade, and it's just installing a new version of Wine
[12:32] <LjL> ... which, from what's happening to you, i feel like is broken =)
[12:32] <monteiro> Knowerrors: cable modem conected to a network card
[12:34] <LjL> `Nomad: now, i would love to complete my dist-upgrade to have a look at what's going on... but i guess i care more about keeping my working wine version =)
[12:34] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"c:\\windows" is not accessible.
[12:34] <`Nomad> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[12:34] <`Nomad> Wine 0.9.7
[12:34] <LjL> `Nomad: an alternative could be, remove your wine, comment out the repository, and install the one from the Ubuntu reps... that's an old version, but at least it ought to work
[12:35] <LjL> `Nomad: yeah, mine's 0.9.6
[12:35] <`Nomad> great idea..
[12:35] <Knowerrors> monteiro: have you tried just clocking your download speeds, like for ftp... maybe its just a web related problem
[12:35] <LjL> `Nomad: the webside doesn't even *say* there *is* a 0.9.7 =)
[12:35] <`Nomad> Ubuntu reps?   meaning not the winehq one but let it install from the regular reps?
[12:35] <LjL> exactly
[12:36] <monteiro> Knowerrors: it was dns :)
[12:36] <`Nomad> the winetools package says it's for 0.9.7Beta, whoudl I still install it?
[12:36] <LjL> it would be best if you could get the same 0.9.6 that I have, but i don't know where you could get it from now...
[12:36] <`Nomad> I'll oook
[12:36] <`Nomad> or better, Look :)
[12:36] <Knowerrors> monteiro: sweet
[12:36] <monteiro> Knowerrors: its strange, because it is the same in windows, but now i've added the dns from a linux site
[12:37] <Knowerrors> weird
[12:37] <Knowerrors> Im on dialup, but never had to do that
[12:37] <LjL> `Nomad: i guess so... i'm also using a winetools version that's not meant for my wine version
[12:37] <Knowerrors> same speed for me on windows and linux
[12:39] <LjL> `Nomad: a shame that you didn't do this stuff yesterday... if you did, you would have downloaded 0.9.6 from the reps =)   (i'm sure, because wine was last updated to the 0.9.6 i currently have just two days ago)
[12:39] <LjL> the wrong rep at the wrong time
[12:40] <Knowerrors> To anyone using Synaptic or Qtparted... these two commands will make those apps look the same as all others in KDE (theme/look)
[12:40] <Knowerrors> sudo ln -s ~/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc /root/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[12:40] <Knowerrors> sudo ln -s ~/.qt/qtrc /root/.qt/qtrc
[12:41] <`Nomad> damn it!  The one from teh regular rep also segment faults
[12:41] <LjL> now i really have no clue
[12:41] <LjL> perhaps it's really your KDE 3.5.1, though i couldn't imagine how it could interfere with Wine...
[12:41] <`Nomad> I give up.. Maybe I ma cursed, I must install XP and forget linux... I must.......
[12:41] <`Nomad> yeah right!! That'll be the day! ;)
[12:42] <LjL> nah don't do that :(
[12:43] <`Nomad> Does wine need to be run as root the first time maybe?
[12:44] <LjL> no, not that i know of, and not with winetools in any case
[12:46] <`Nomad> ok, I give up on wine until that,s resolved.. qemu's turn now
[12:46] <`Nomad> !qemu
[12:46] <ubotu> hmm... qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[12:47] <weedar> I want to add ~/bin to my PATH, how would I do that? :)
[12:48] <`Nomad> what is kqemu?
[12:48] <crimsun> weedar: edit ~/.bash_profile
[12:48] <illminime> hi everyone, ive loaded my rt2500 drivers with ndiswrapper but i cant get ip
[12:48] <illminime> *ip
[12:49] <illminime> ive tried ifup ra0
[12:49] <weedar> crimsun, I will have to restart the shell for it to "reload"?
[12:49] <illminime> and everything that is possbible
[12:49] <illminime> i realy need some pr0s to help me out here
[12:49] <LjL> !kqemu
[12:49] <illminime> anyone that could help a poor guy?
[12:49] <LjL> !tell `nomad about kqemu
[12:49] <crimsun> weedar: if your Konsoles are not configured to be login shells, yes you'll need to log out of and back into KDE
[12:49] <illminime> I realy need some asssistance here
[12:50] <illminime> *assistance
[12:50] <`Nomad> ok, it's free, but closed-source
[12:50] <weedar> crimsun, heh, for some reason my bash_profile already ads the ~/bin to my path, so no worries :)
[12:50] <weedar> at least now I know
[12:50] <`Nomad> what's teh problem illimine, just spell it out
[12:52] <`Nomad> hey kkathman
[12:52] <kkathman> howdy
[12:53] <weedar> illminime, what output does ifup ra0 give you?
[12:53] <LjL> `Nomad: told you so :) anyway, you don't really need kqemu unless you decide you're not satisfied with the speed of qemu alone
[12:54] <`Nomad> So, to use qemu, I should just format that 10 gigs that is free, mount it as "win" and use that?
[12:54] <LjL> `Nomad: no need to format anything
[12:55] <`Nomad> it's a raw space rigth now
[12:55] <LjL> `Nomad: qemu can use a file as a virtual hard disk, and the initial file size will be zero bytes, it will only grow when you actually use it
[12:55] <`Nomad> unpartitioned
[12:55] <`Nomad> ok..
[12:55] <LjL> `Nomad: well, if you have no use for it, you could format it as well, but a file also works
[12:55] <`Nomad> I need the extra room if I will use xp :(
[12:55] <LjL> heh
[12:56] <LjL> using a file might be a tad slower, but i don't think it'll be noticeable
[12:56] <LjL> (that's because files get fragmented, while partitions do not)
[12:57] <Steven_M> how to get the latest version of a game added to a repo?
[12:57] <LjL> Steven_M: if it's in Dapper, you can ask the backport guys
[12:57] <LjL> Steven_M: otherwise, no luck i'm afraid
[12:58] <beefsprocket> illminime: still stuck?
[12:59] <monteiro> kde 3.5.1, does not have all packages in the repository's right ?
[01:00] <`Nomad> rebooting
[01:00] <weedar> Why on earth would my ~/.bash_profile have it's execute flag not set?
[01:01] <Steven_M> why no luck? I mean the privious version is on there, so how hard could it be?
[01:02] <LjL> Steven_M: well, have you actually checked that it's not in Dapper? it might be. otherwise, if it's an easy program to package, perhaps you could package it yourself, i'm sure the ubuntu devs would love to have some work saved
[01:03] <Steven_M> ok, brb
[01:05] <flipjarg> What is the website people put text files in so they don't flood?
[01:06] <flipjarg> oh nm
[01:06] <LjL> flipjarg: look at the topic :)
[01:06] <LjL> flipjarg: or you can use the channel #flood
[01:06] <flipjarg> thanks
[01:07] <flipjarg> i'm trying to install the mozilla suite right now but when i type 'apt-get install mozilla' it prints this out: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537797
[01:07] <flipjarg> does anyone know what i have to do?
[01:08] <beefsprocket> flipjarg: you can try each package 1 by 1 until you work backwards in the dependency chain
[01:09] <beefsprocket> as in, try mozilla-browser, figure out what is keeping it from being installed etc.
[01:09] <flipjarg> ok
[01:10] <Steven_M> It is in dapper :-)
[01:10] <flipjarg> mozilla browser installed just fine.
[01:10] <flipjarg> hmm
[01:11] <`Nomad> A partition cannot be formatted from the Disk and Filesystems section of the system settings?
[01:13] <Steven_M> Ljl: It is in dapper :-)
[01:13] <LjL> Steven_M: then go here http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47 and make a request, if it's not already been made
[01:14] <`Nomad> !qemu
[01:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[01:19] <`Nomad> What is teh fix to not being able to open files from teh DVD drive (Protocol media i sunrecognized?)
[01:20] <betsygary> hello
[01:20] <kameron> hey
[01:20] <betsygary> can someone help me out with compiling programs?
[01:21] <Steven_M> LjL: Do you think I could just the dapper package? I recken there'd only be miner changes to the game.
[01:21] <betsygary> I have g++, gcc, and libstdc++ installed, but nothing seems to be able to configure or compile correctly
[01:22] <ilba7r> betsygary, install build-essential packaged
[01:22] <LjL> Steven_M: type "apt-cache show nameofpackage" and look at the "Depends:" line. if that lists many packages (and depending on how important those are), chances are it won't work
[01:22] <ilba7r> package
[01:22] <betsygary> oh, ok, thanks, I'll try that out
[01:22] <LjL> Steven_M: if it lists few or no packages, it might work, but it could still not work and/or do bad things
[01:23] <Steven_M> ok then
[01:27] <neoncode> Err... I have a little trouble with XINE....
[01:29] <neoncode> Firstly it always looks like it's in 16:9, even when it's in 4:3 mode. I think this might be to do with the fact that I have dual monitors and it seems twice as wide as it should be. Does XINE claculate it's width based on the resoloution?(I'm useing fglrx big desktop mode so my xorg thinks i just have one big monitor
[01:29] <neoncode> also if the playing window is half on one monitor and half on another it only shows on the primary one...
[01:30] <`Nomad> LjL: Installing XP.. I like qemu so far, very wasy to manage up to now :)
[01:30] <LjL> `Nomad: for your enjoyment: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i7965  :)
[01:31] <`Nomad> qemu supports OS X?
[01:31] <`Nomad> Shoot..  I may just buy a super fast machien and run everything on one
[01:31] <LjL> not sure -- but anyway that's not qemu and that's not os x :o)
[01:32] <LjL> that's my KDE with IE6 running under Wine
[01:32] <neoncode> Anyone any help?
[01:32] <`Nomad> I know.. :)
[01:32] <`Nomad> I wonder it the V7 beta will crash well under wine..lol
[01:32] <LjL> well anyway pearpc certainly runs OS X
[01:33] <LjL> i don't think qemu does yet, but i wouldn't swear on it
[01:33] <`Nomad> gonna google that pearpc
[01:33] <LjL> in any case, there's MacOS for x86 now... :)
[01:33] <LjL> well, it's slow as hell, mind you...
[01:33] <neoncode> please? it's anoying. I have to choose between haveing to use 2 or 3 diffrent players to pay all my media or wach it streached. =(
[01:34] <`Nomad> pearpc is made to emulate PPC on intel?
[01:34] <LjL> yeah
[01:34] <LjL> but again, it's really slow
[01:34] <`Nomad> neoncode:  ??
[01:34] <LjL> qemu does emulate the PPC too, anyway
[01:34] <LjL> i just don't think it's able to run OS X yet
[01:34] <`Nomad> ok..
[01:34] <neoncode> `Nomad: Scroll up...
[01:35] <`Nomad> I will find out soon then.. Wish I hadn't given 28 gigs to XP
[01:35] <LjL> heh
[01:35] <LjL> i told you to use a file :P
[01:35] <`Nomad> I created an img as per the instructions on teh webpages..
[01:35] <LjL> uh, and it takes up 28 gigs?
[01:35] <LjL> it's supposed to not take up anything when it's created
[01:35] <`Nomad> I set it to 28 G
[01:36] <`Nomad> teh size of that /win folder I made
[01:36] <LjL> yeah, but it should still be zero bytes i think
[01:36] <`Nomad> oh ok
[01:36] <LjL> the 28 gigs is supposed to be an upper limit
[01:36] <`Nomad> yes you're right
[01:36] <`Nomad> It can probably be re-adjusted, the limit
[01:37] <LjL> probably
[01:37] <`Nomad> neoncode, sorry I have no idea. :(
[01:39] <`Nomad> neoncode: Try startint the app from teh command-line, you may see some error messages there that would give you a hint as to what is missing or wrong
[01:39] <illminime> I get no offers from dhcp
[01:39] <illminime> but everythings is ok
[01:39] <illminime> ive installed ndiswrapper
[01:39] <illminime> the driver
[01:40] <neoncode> how do I launch xine from the command line?
[01:40] <neoncode> what's the command I mean?
[01:40] <illminime> modprobed ndiswrapper, and rt2500 (my card)
[01:40] <illminime> but still gets no offers from dhcp
[01:40] <neoncode> oh wait "xine" did it
[01:40] <illminime> the signal strenght is full
[01:40] <illminime> 54Mbs
[01:40] <illminime> still it doesn
[01:41] <illminime> t work
[01:41] <neoncode> xine
[01:41] <neoncode> crap, sorry i thought I was typeing into the Konsole.
[01:41] <illminime> Ive so pissed of, some pr0ffesional net configures here?
[01:41] <ilba7r> !tell illminime about networkmanager
[01:41] <illminime> ive restarted it four f*#)= times
[01:42] <illminime> *for
[01:42] <neoncode> Hmm thing is - xine dosen't think anything is wrong. It thinks that everything is working perfectly....
[01:42] <neoncode> Well... it doesn't *think* but you know what I mean
[01:43] <illminime> so there aren't someone good configurers here?
[01:43] <ilba7r> illminime, network manage is a package that will take care of the network for you. try it
[01:43] <ilba7r> and by the way when you do modprobe do you see driver present, hardware present message
[01:44] <`Nomad> neoncode: ?   Nothing special when you launched it?  Like missing fonts, libraries, etc..?
[01:44] <ilba7r> neoncode i suspect it is the way you configured your x server. but this is pure speculation
[01:44] <neoncode> neoncode@kubuntu-titan:~$ xine
[01:44] <neoncode> This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.3.
[01:44] <neoncode> (c) 2000-2004 The xine Team.
[01:45] <neoncode> and I'm pretty sure my Xserver is to blame. Linux is *crap* with radeon when it comes to dual monitors...
[01:46] <ilba7r> neoncode, i have radeon dual monitor with no problem what so ever
[01:46] <neoncode> Hmm.... is it possible to get dual monitors to behave like they do on windows. without useing xnimitra... whatever
[01:46] <neoncode> ilba7r: What driver do you use?
[01:46] <LjL> `Nomad: shame, my WindowsUpdate failed... i hope it would have actually updated my "windows" :)
[01:46] <ilba7r> neoncode, i found fglrx crapy so am using the ati ones
[01:46] <ilba7r> no 3-D accel though
[01:46] <neoncode> Ahh
[01:47] <neoncode> I need 3-D accel
[01:47] <neoncode> And I thought fglrx were the ATi ones?
[01:47] <ilba7r> neoncode, good news next release will have 3-D accel
[01:47] <ilba7r> neoncode will gice you a site to help you set X if you have different aspect ratios in monitor and notebook
[01:48] <neoncode> is nvidia any good when it comes to dual monitors on linux?
[01:49] <ilba7r> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Additional_options_for_the_radeon_driver the mergedrectangular will take care of your problem. It worked with fglrx with me too. I dumped fglrx for nother reason
[01:49] <neoncode> ilba7r: What reason may I ask?
[01:49] <ilba7r> i normally use new login a lot
[01:49] <ilba7r> and fglrx just break doing that
[01:50] <ilba7r> you can have only one login session
[01:50] <neoncode> Ahh
[01:50] <neoncode> hey is nVidia any better with dual-head?
[01:50] <neoncode> and will mergedFB work with nvidia?
[01:51] <`Nomad> LjL: can't update XP from within qemu
[01:51] <`Nomad> ?
[01:51] <LjL> `Nomad: no -- can't update "XP" from within Wine ;)
[01:52] <LjL> qemu will have no problems with that i'm sure
[01:53] <LjL> but i guess it was really too much to ask to Wine :)
[01:53] <Mungallo> anyone know if there's Marvel gigE support on the 64 distro?
[01:53] <`Nomad> oh well.. :)
[01:54] <admrl> has anyone had k3b break in kde 3.5.1
[01:54] <Mungallo> break how?
[01:54] <`Nomad> I'm sure it will if I try to use it now.. lol
[01:54] <LjL> has anyone had something *not* break in 3.5.1? :o)
[01:55] <LjL> i've heard like four or fives different complains in less than 2 hours =)
[01:55] <`Nomad> lots of flakiness for me so far, I hope there's a bunch of updates soon that resolve those issues. :(
[01:55] <admrl> lol i did sudo dpkg -l | grep k3b
[01:55] <admrl> and it showed k3b and everything it needs
[01:55] <admrl> and then i did k3b
[01:55] <admrl> from konsole
[01:55] <neoncode> ok... time to go tinkering with my xorg.conf again...
[01:55] <admrl> and it said bash: k3b: command not found
[01:55] <`Nomad> yuk
[01:56] <Mungallo> sudo aapt-get install k3b
[01:56] <admrl> i did that
[01:56] <Mungallo> o_O
[01:56] <LjL> admrl: of course, dpkg showed it as "ii"?
[01:56] <`Nomad> ii?
[01:56] <admrl> one second i will try it agian
[01:56] <LjL> `Nomad: try "dpkg -l", it'll show "ii" in the first column for packages that are actually installed
[01:56] <`Nomad> ohh ok
[01:57] <admrl> i didnt think dpkg would show something that wasnt installed since its not apt-get
[01:57] <LjL> admrl: also, "ls /usr/bin/k3b"
[01:57] <`Nomad> dpkg is smarter than most of us  ;)
[01:57] <admrl> wait it just started working
[01:57] <LjL> dpkg does show stuff that was uninstalled or things like that
[01:57] <`Nomad> dpkg becamse self-aware, June 23, 2004
[01:57] <LjL> admrl: try "dpkg -l | grep -v ii", i bet you'll be surprised
[01:58] <LjL> `Nomad: :)
[01:58] <Mungallo> skynet by any other name...
[01:58] <Mungallo> ;)
[01:58] <`Nomad> lol
[01:59] <neoncode> Hey, if i'm wanting to use dual head. should I go with nVidia or ATi? Given the choice. for 3d accel Dual/Quad head. and is their a linux equivilent to MergedFB?
[01:59] <admrl> thats crazy
[02:00] <Mungallo> nvidia generally give better results linux-wise for graphics.
[02:00] <Mungallo> < my personal experience.
[02:00] <neoncode> Mungallo: What about dual head? and aslo what about SLI?
[02:01] <betsygary> hello everyone, I'm having troubles with compiling sources again
[02:01] <betsygary> I get errors when trying to configure about the X window system includes not being found
[02:01] <Mungallo> not sure man, I figure you've got a better chance of it working at all on nvidia.
[02:02] <betsygary> can someone help me with this?
[02:02] <cheese> when i type apt-get update i get permission errors.  how do i enable permissions?
[02:02] <aio> hello
[02:02] <betsygary> I'll do a ./configure right now to give you all the exact error
[02:03] <Mungallo> I've had no problems whatsoever on pci-e.
[02:03] <neoncode> Mungallo: Well i'm buidling a new computer in about 2 months. I'd like to go with a Dual SLI GeForce 6800 setup. heh. won't that mean if I disable the SLI I can have Quad-head? if their's 2 monitor ports on each card?
[02:04] <betsygary> xboard requires the X Window System header files and libraries!
[02:04] <betsygary> what can I do?
[02:04] <LjL> sudo aptitude install x-window-system-dev
[02:04] <Mungallo> yeah in theory you could do that, you'd have to have gastanas the size of watermellons and a wallet to match though.
[02:04] <aio> i try to install something and kubuntu says "no cc" and installation is over. Why?
[02:04] <Mungallo> you don't have gcc installed
[02:04] <aio> gcc?
[02:04] <betsygary> LjL: thanks again :)
[02:05] <`Nomad> I hope regscan.exe is not an important file for XP, it couldn't copy it over for some reason
[02:05] <Mungallo> or a relevant c compiler is not in your PATH
[02:05] <LjL> aio: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:05] <LjL> `Nomad: hmm, that's not good. i think regscan.exe is the registry scanner that gets run when windows finds some inconsistencies in the registry at bootup
[02:05] <cheese> im trying to get vlc media player, what version of linux do i install if im using kubuntu, debian or familiar linux?
[02:06] <LjL> cheese: ?!?
[02:06] <cheese> sorry noob question
[02:06] <neoncode> Is Quad-head even posible with linux?
[02:06] <`Nomad> I guess I will never find inconsistencies now  ;)
[02:06] <`Nomad> I'll get it from another DVD or someone else after
[02:06] <LjL> no, it's just a question that doesn't make any sense... ubuntu *IS* a linux distribution, so you *have* the right version of linux installed
[02:06] <Mungallo> never tried, can't see why not though.
[02:06] <LjL> debian is *another* linux distribution just like ubuntu
[02:06] <LjL> and Familiar is a linux distribution... for palmtops
[02:06] <cheese> theres different versions of it on the download section though
[02:06] <`Nomad> LjL: can we transfer files from linux to XP this way?  FTP?
[02:06] <LjL> back to your question, to install vlc, it's "sudo aptitude install vlc"
[02:07] <aio> can i install it through Synaptic? I have put universe repositories and there appears gcc, gcc 2.95 and so on
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: on the download section of what?
[02:07] <cheese> vlc media player
[02:07] <cheese> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[02:07] <Mungallo> aio: you generally want the latest.
[02:07] <LjL> aio: yeah, you can. just install the build-essential package. anyway, uising aptitude or apt-get is the same thing
[02:07] <`Nomad> VLC rocks, it rolls, it parties all night looong!
[02:07] <Mungallo> apt-get install build-essential
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: don't install it from there
[02:07] <LjL> cheese: just type "sudo aptitude install vlc" in a terminal
[02:07] <aio> gcc 272?
[02:08] <LjL> aio: no, "build-essential"
[02:08] <cheese> oh ok
[02:08] <LjL> cheese: and if it doesn't work, then you'll need to enable the Universe repository
[02:08] <LjL> !tell cheese about sources
[02:08] <aio> yeeeee i am installing it
[02:08] <aio> thankssss a lot :)
[02:08] <LjL> np
[02:08] <Mungallo> np.
[02:08] <cheese> it says list of sources cannot be read
[02:08] <cheese> how do i enable permission and such
[02:08] <marten> hi @ all
[02:08] <aio> ok all now!! :)
[02:09] <LjL> cheese: that doesn't sound right
[02:09] <Mungallo> are you running it as root?
[02:09] <LjL> cheese: type "sudo apt-get update", and then try again
[02:09] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get  install vlc?
[02:09] <cheese> it was looking for attachment on desktop i think
[02:09] <cheese> how do i enable universe repository
[02:10] <cheese> im using kubuntu btw
[02:10] <LjL> looking for an attachment....?
[02:10] <aio> i try to install limewire. Amule is installed, but limewire is rpm and i used command alien div- All was good. Limewire appeared in start menu, but when clicking it does not start at all.
[02:10] <LjL> cheese: Ubotu sent you links that explain how to enable Universe
[02:10] <cheese> k
[02:11] <LjL> cheese: basically, you must edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommend the line that says "universe". but it's all explained there anyway
[02:11] <LjL> !limewire
[02:11] <ubotu> I guess limewire is first you need !java, then download the http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and unpack it. Then just run the runLime.sh file. Voila.
[02:11] <aio> i installed java
[02:11] <neoncode> That reminds me, what's the best P2P program for linux. I tryed those eMule clones but the eDonkey network is crap.
[02:11] <Mungallo> is it in your PATH?
[02:11] <`Nomad> aio: which?  Blackdown or Sun's?
[02:11] <aio> sun
[02:12] <`Nomad> kewl
[02:12] <LjL> aio: well, that's all i know about it
[02:12] <`Nomad> seems to work better for most people
[02:12] <LjL> neoncode: what about ktorrent then?
[02:12] <aio> jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:12] <`Nomad> donkey? crap?  sounds natural to me
[02:12] <neoncode> ktorrent never seems to work with any .torrent files I get
[02:12] <aio> and j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin
[02:12] <Mungallo> you did the chmod +x jre?
[02:12] <Mungallo> and ran it?
[02:12] <LjL> anyway the edonkey network ain't crap, it's definitely one of the most advanced filesharing networks around
[02:13] <neoncode> LjL: I can never find anything on it
[02:13] <`Nomad> is it.. Well based on our chat tonight, I think I'll try it.
[02:13] <`Nomad> what do I use for it?
[02:13] <Mungallo> aio: j2re-1_4_2_05=old
[02:13] <`Nomad> !edonkey
[02:13] <ubotu> `Nomad: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:13] <LjL> neoncode: that's not my experience
[02:13] <ilba7r> !amule
[02:14] <ubotu> sudo apt-get install amule
[02:14] <ilba7r> that is the package for linux
[02:14] <Mungallo> unless you really need it, ie work or something you might as well get rid of it.
[02:14] <neoncode> LjL: What eDonkey client do you use?>
[02:14] <marten> does anybody know a well frequented german irc chan?
[02:14] <aio> ye, i installed then 1_5 and it does not appear
[02:14] <ilba7r> 1de
[02:14] <`Nomad> for kubuntu?
[02:14] <ilba7r> !de
[02:14] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[02:14] <marten> yes
[02:15] <ilba7r> martin of well frequented i do not know
[02:15] <Mungallo> it should install just fine.
[02:15] <`Nomad> what he says  ;)
[02:15] <marten> @ freenode?
[02:15] <LjL> neoncode: amule, but then i use a CVS version specially patched for internal use inside my ISP's network (as we're behind NAT) - it uses the Kad network, and perhaps the current aMule version doesn't yet, which might be why you don't have very good results..
[02:15] <Mungallo> the big problem is that it might not be finding it in /usr/bin
[02:15] <marten> ok thx
[02:15] <marten> ill check that
[02:15] <`Nomad> !fr
[02:15] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[02:15] <`Nomad> well that's kewl
[02:15] <neoncode> LjL: Ahh. well i'm going to do all this MergedFB and radon stuff later. I'm going to go play wind waker on my gamecube
[02:16] <cheese> if i were to uninstall kubuntu, how would i get rid of the grub loader?
[02:16] <neoncode> how do you set away on this thing?
[02:16] <Mungallo> in which case you're going to want to set the variable in you .bashrc
[02:16] <LjL> cheese: boot from the Windows CD, run the recovery console, and type "fixmbr" or something like that - there's a "help" command anyway
[02:16] <ilba7r> LjL, you beet me to it
[02:16] <`Nomad> it used to be fdisk /mbr from a boot diskette
[02:16] <cheese> ok
[02:17] <Mungallo> that was in the '98 days.
[02:17] <`Nomad> so far the only file that skipped a beat during the install was regscan.exe, I'm at 97%
[02:17] <LjL> yeah doesn't think it would be too wise nowadays to do that
[02:17] <`Nomad> hopefully it won't matter
[02:17] <Mungallo> now its so much of a PITA you might as well write zeros to the drive ;)
[02:17] <LjL> `Nomad: it worries me a little, but yes, we can hope Windows can live without it
[02:18] <`Nomad> It's the best DVD that bittorrent had to offer, :(
[02:18] <LjL> don't say that here :)
[02:18] <`Nomad> I'm in transit and I'll be damned if I know where my originals are (what boxes and which storage)
[02:18] <`Nomad> oops.
[02:19] <`Nomad> I was kidding..
[02:19] <LjL> of course
[02:19] <`Nomad> ha  ha  ha
[02:19] <Mungallo> hahaha
[02:20] <Mungallo> anyone point me to automatic hardware detection under breezy?
[02:20] <`Nomad> can't wait to b esettled in again though..  I miss comfort :)
[02:21] <Mungallo> lol, home is where I plug in my laptop.
[02:21] <`Nomad> :)
[02:22] <`Nomad> While there's so many knowledgeable and helpful people here, I have had to switch everything back to linux now that my Windows box died.. Skype used to run off of windows
[02:22] <`Nomad> teh microphone
[02:22] <`Nomad> how do I have it muted while not in use?
[02:23] <`Nomad> By default on windows it did that, teh apps turned it on as needed..
[02:23] <paulvolk> Hello Beefsprocket
[02:23] <Mungallo> Nomad: Kmix?
[02:23] <paulvolk> I did what you said and now I am on Kubuntu Thanks for the help
[02:24] <Mungallo> not the cleanest solution, but thats all I got.
[02:24] <`Nomad> I would have thought so too, but somehow it,s back on when I reboot
[02:24] <LjL> `Nomad: why not just keep it muted but active as a recording source?
[02:24] <LjL> oh
[02:25] <`Nomad> lately it feels like my machien is haunted  :)
[02:25] <LjL> kmix, settings / configure kmix / restore levels
[02:25] <`Nomad> possesed?
[02:25] <LjL> nah
[02:25] <LjL> actually, that's "restore volumes on login"
[02:26] <`Nomad> I have it checked..
[02:26] <LjL> hm
[02:26] <LjL> but are you actually keeping kmix in the tray?
[02:26] <Mungallo> probably just a minor demon, not worth the exorsism. ;)
[02:26] <paulvolk> How would I change what OS grub shows?
[02:26] <`Nomad> minor dAemon?  lol
[02:26] <Mungallo> lol
[02:27] <Mungallo> vi /boot/grub/grub.conf I think
[02:27] <LjL> paulvolk: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, though there are probably more friendly ways
[02:27] <paulvolk> where do I but that in?
[02:27] <paulvolk> put*
[02:28] <paulvolk> or where do I find that?
[02:28] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" in a terminal. though i really advise you to *not* do this, you don't sound experienced enough to edit such an important boot file (not offence meant)
[02:28] <LjL> let me see if there is something in the KDE settings
[02:29] <Mungallo>  paul what are you trying to do? set the default kernel?
[02:29] <paulvolk> well I mean I just updated Kububtu and now it shows 2 Kubuntu OS but I only want it to show the most current one
[02:30] <Mungallo> it should default to the newest image...
[02:30] <Mungallo> what filesystem are you using?
[02:30] <paulvolk> not sure
[02:31] <paulvolk> well it shows 2 Kubuntu systems
[02:31] <LjL> paulvolk: i can't find anything in KDE, though i recall there was something...
[02:31] <LjL> paulvolk: if you really feel like editing the config file, do it, but be careful
[02:31] <paulvolk> I so do I but I couldn't find anything
[02:31] <paulvolk> naw I can leave it
[02:32] <paulvolk> not really much of a bother
[02:32] <orion_fr_24> !mp3
[02:32] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:32] <Mungallo> does your grub screen show a recovery mode kernel?
[02:33] <paulvolk> ya but 2 one for the udated system and one for the older system
[02:33] <Mungallo> I'm assuming you have 2 recovery modes listed ie 2.6.12-386(Recovery mode)
[02:33] <Mungallo> ok
[02:34] <paulvolk> Ya
[02:34] <paulvolk> that is it as well as 2 of the normal systems
[02:34] <LjL> perhaps just uninstall the older kernel?
[02:34] <paulvolk> I want to get rid of the older one
[02:35] <Mungallo> well, I'd have to agree with LJ here, if you feel up to it, I'd find a sample grub.lst and look at what you're dealing with first.
[02:35] <paulvolk> ok
[02:35] <LjL> paulvolk: try "dpkg -l | grep ii | grep linux"
[02:35] <paulvolk> ok
[02:35] <LjL> paulvolk: if you see two different versions, like 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-9, you should be able to safely remove the older one
[02:36] <LjL> (err, that would be 2.6.12-9 and 2.6.12-10)
[02:36] <paulvolk> ya that is like exacly what I see
[02:36] <paulvolk> sohow would I remove it?
[02:37] <Mungallo> do me a quick favor?
[02:37] <Mungallo> type in a term "sudo uname -r"
[02:37] <LjL> then "sudo apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.12-9 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9"
[02:37] <LjL> don't hold me responsible though...
[02:37] <LjL> though it should be safe enough
[02:38] <LjL> yeah do as mungallo said
[02:38] <paulvolk> ok so go over that again
[02:38] <Mungallo> sudo uname -r
[02:38] <LjL> type "uname -r" in a terminal
[02:38] <paulvolk> ok then?
[02:38] <LjL> Mungallo: (don't think there's any need for a sudo here)
[02:38] <LjL> paulvolk: just tell us what it says
[02:38] <paulvolk> oh ok
[02:39] <`Nomad> LjL: Is qemu just as good with win98?  That one I have teh original CD here (of course, teh one I don,t want.. :P )
[02:39] <paulvolk> ok it says 2.6.12-10-386
[02:39] <LjL> `Nomad: it should work fine for all i know
[02:39] <Mungallo> and is that the old one?
[02:39] <paulvolk> no that is the new one
[02:40] <LjL> shouldn't be, unless i missed a kernel version :)
[02:40] <Mungallo> lol
[02:40] <paulvolk> lol um I am sure that is the new one I can check if you can wait like 5 min
[02:40] <LjL> and kernels aren't easy to miss, apt-get makes such a fuss about them when it wants to install one... =)
[02:40] <ilba7r> paulvolk, if i were you i will not remove it it doe not take a lot of space 36 MB or about. but is a huge safety net if your kernell is messed up you can always login to the old one
[02:41] <Mungallo> ok, cool, then yeah you oughtta be able to peel out the old one with no problems.
[02:41] <Mungallo> agreed.
[02:41] <paulvolk> oh ok then I will keep
[02:41] <paulvolk> it
[02:41] <paulvolk> anyway another question I need a c compiler to compile packeges where would I get one?
[02:42] <Mungallo> Lj; lol, yeah apt whines too much. ;)
[02:42] <LjL> yeah ilba7r isn't too wrong, you never know what might break down someday
[02:42] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get build-essential
[02:42] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo aptitude install build-essential" will get you one
[02:42] <paulvolk> type that in terminal?
[02:42] <Mungallo> yup
[02:42] <LjL> paulvolk: though be sure that you check if a program isn't already in the repositories (official or otherwise), before compiling it :)
[02:42] <paulvolk> ok
[02:42] <ilba7r> LjL, you are an aptitude fan like me :)
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> where can i find information about flex and bison?
[02:43] <`Nomad> gnu
[02:43] <LjL> ilba7r: yeah - it's funny when people ask "how do i remove kubuntu-desktop" or things like that, and i can only say well, if you had used aptitude to install it in the first place, you could with a single command, otherwise no luck :)
[02:43] <Mungallo> http://www.gnu.org/software/bison/
[02:43] <`Nomad> Lord_Athur: what kind of info are you looking for?
[02:44] <ilba7r> LjL, agree that is the main reason i use it it handle that so perfectly
[02:44] <Mungallo> http://www.gnu.org/software/flex/
[02:44] <LjL> ilba7r: that's basically the only reason i use it for, as i've never really used the GUI or any fancy features it might have
[02:44] <LjL> `Nomad: no it doesn't
[02:45] <`Nomad> So they turned it all off?
[02:45] <`Nomad> arghh..
[02:45] <LjL> `Nomad: win98 is a bit of a (big) security risk using, even though that might not be too terribly important under an emulator
[02:45] <robotgeek> LjL: you can always use debfoster
[02:45] <ilba7r> LjL, do not use the graphical interface it is bugy and it has a bug that has not been resolved yet
[02:45] <LjL> robotgeek: will debfoster remove everything that, say, kubuntu-desktop installs?
[02:45] <Mungallo> barefoot with glass under the snow?
[02:45] <ilba7r> will mess how aptitude handle automatic removal
[02:46] <`Nomad> LjL: Install is blazing fast though.. lol
[02:46] <LjL> ilba7r: i've never quite understood or liked it anyway
[02:46] <LjL> `Nomad: but, have you given up on XP?
[02:46] <robotgeek> LjL: sure, just pay attention to what it wants to remove
[02:46] <ilba7r> LjL, same here. just glad to see another wise man using aptitude :)
[02:46] <LjL> robotgeek: uhm, doesn't "paying attention to what it wants to remove" defeats the whole purpose?
[02:47] <paulvolk> ok can Kubuntu run RPMs? and if soo what make? like suse, mandrake, fedora?
[02:47] <Mungallo> Paul you want alien
[02:47] <LjL> paulvolk: it can, if you install "alien". i wouldn't recommend it though unless you're desperate
[02:47] <Mungallo> sudo apt-get install alien
[02:47] <robotgeek> LjL: i'm sure there are a few switches in there with which you can not pay attention, i'm not sure how that works
[02:47] <ilba7r> paulvolk, whatever package you are looking for first look for a deb binary for it
[02:47] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i have sudo apt-get install to install :P
[02:47] <ilba7r> most of the time you will find it
[02:47] <Mungallo> you're generally better if with a deb or source.
[02:48] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: lol, but i think that's not intutuive
[02:48] <Hobbsee> possibly - i keep forgetting about it
[02:48] <paulvolk> ok
[02:48] <LjL> Hobbsee: that's not good IMHO
[02:48] <LjL> Hobbsee: as "install" is already a command
[02:48] <Hobbsee> is it?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> i didnt think it was...
[02:49] <LjL> Hobbsee: yes. not one often used by actual users, but makefiles do use it a lot
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:49] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's basically the same as "cp" i think, only it does some more checks
[02:49] <Hobbsee> right
[02:49] <Mungallo> install to CWD kind of thing.
[02:50] <LjL> the man says "copies and sets attributes"
[02:50] <Mungallo> fair enough.
[02:51] <paulvolk> ok I found a .deb file for the program to install it now how would I install it?
[02:51] <`Nomad> LjL: I gave up, it just stayed stuck on a dialog box after.. It spurted out a few messages about bad dlls
[02:51] <Mungallo> dpkg -i
[02:51] <LjL> paulvolk: "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb". but are you 100% sure that package isn't in the repos already?
[02:51] <LjL> what package is it anyway?
[02:51] <LjL> `Nomad: oh :(
[02:51] <paulvolk> Amsn
[02:51] <`Nomad> It's so easy, I'll install XP when I get my proper ones
[02:51] <ilba7r> paulvolk, why not use kopete
[02:51] <clintonthegeek> sorry, i'm an IRC n00b, came in here about the KWord 1.5 Beta problem. am i gonna have to compile it from source?
[02:51] <LjL> paulvolk: "apt-cache show amsn", followed by "sudo aptitude install amsn"
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: no need to get that from third parties
[02:52] <paulvolk> oh ok
[02:52] <paulvolk> but how did you find that
[02:52] <paulvolk> I couldn't
[02:52] <Mungallo> its in the repos chief.
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: by typing "apt-cache search amsn"...
[02:52] <LjL> paulvolk: in general, "apt-cache search keyword1 keyword2 ....." will do what you need
[02:52] <paulvolk> sweet
[02:52] <paulvolk> thanks
[02:53] <clintonthegeek> amsn? i installed the latest version (0.95) from the package on amsn.sourceforge.net
[02:53] <FHX> Hello..
[02:53] <paulvolk> it said there was no packedges found
[02:53] <FHX> clintonthegeek: aren't the fonts for amsn strange though?
[02:53] <LjL> paulvolk: you need to enable Universe
[02:53] <LjL> !tell paulvolk about sources
[02:53] <paulvolk> how do I do that?
[02:53] <clintonthegeek> aha, that they are. looks like a typewriter
[02:53] <LjL> Ubotu's telling you
[02:53] <FHX> Exactly.
[02:54] <FHX> I tried installing msn 7 through crossover as well, but the graphics don't show right and it lags when starting up etc.
[02:54] <LjL> paulvolk: basically you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line containing "universe", and then type "sudo apt-get update"
[02:54] <FHX> amsn is lousy as well. The best alternative I'm using is Gaim, but so far I can't find a thing that supports decent file transfers.
[02:54] <LjL> paulvolk: but it's all explained better in the links Ubotu gave you
[02:54] <Mungallo> don't gaim and kopete support msn?
[02:54] <FHX> Hm...oh.
[02:54] <ilba7r> Mungallo, yah
[02:55] <FHX> I meant to come in here to ask: Does anyone know how to setup a printer? I've set up mine but nothing's printing.
[02:55] <FHX> Kopete lags for me..
[02:55] <FHX> not sure why.
[02:55] <paulvolk> ok
[02:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: hi
[02:55] <`Nomad> FHX: welcome to my club :)
[02:55] <clintonthegeek> yeah, amsn 0.95 has given me the best luck with file transfers
[02:55] <FHX> I have severe lags with Kopete. =/ anyone else have those?
[02:55] <`Nomad> is it a Samsung?
[02:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: so?
[02:55] <FHX> `Nomad: Haha.
[02:55] <FHX> Nope, it's a canon
[02:55] <FHX> Canon Pixma MP110
[02:55] <`Nomad> Ok, get a Samsung, then you'll pull out your hair too :)
[02:56] <FHX> I think i'm having enough trouble..
[02:56] <FHX> XD
[02:56] <ilba7r> `Nomad, did you try linuxprinting.org
[02:57] <orion_fr_24> any good advise to install mp3 and acc support on kubuntu ??
[02:57] <clintonthegeek> mungallo, were you talking to me ( it's in the repos ) regarding the problem with KWord 1.5?
[02:57] <Mungallo> no clint, I was refering to amsn, sorry for the mixup
[02:58] <clintonthegeek> ah, no prob
[02:58] <clintonthegeek> yeah, the text has all these garbled coloured lines on it in. I submitted a bug report, but apparently it's already fixed in the subverions
[02:59] <clintonthegeek> i suppose i have to compile/install it from source, since i don't know when the repository will be updated
[03:01] <Mungallo> might be the easiest way to do it clint.
[03:01] <LjL> kword 1.5?
[03:01] <clintonthegeek> yuppers
[03:01] <`Nomad> ilba7r: I did, but I'm on a beak from it for now.. I'll try again soon though gotta have my printer. :)
[03:01] <LjL> i thought the latest version in the repos (or the lastest version for that matter) was 1.4.2
[03:01] <`Nomad> break
[03:01] <clintonthegeek> ah, the latest beta version has a special repository set up for testers
[03:01] <orion_fr_24> !aac
[03:02] <ubotu> it has been said that aac is read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about aac support
[03:02] <LjL> oh it's a beta
[03:02] <ilba7r> `Nomad, no problem i gave up on mine long time ago
[03:02] <LjL> any new exciting features, besides the bugs?
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> well, kexi is coming along
[03:02] <LjL> what about krita?
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> ODT is the default for kword, as is everything else
[03:02] <clintonthegeek> now the opendocument standard
[03:03] <`Nomad> ilba7r: a Samsung?
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> krita, well, i haven't played around too much, but you can save the brushes, and they played around with the layers somemore
[03:03] <`Nomad> ML-2010
[03:03] <LjL> (duh, it's in the topic, i'm dumb)
[03:03] <ilba7r> `Nomad, worse a lexmark. if i want to use it i have to write the driver myself :)
[03:03] <`Nomad> Krita segment faults fo rme with 3.5.1..  Sigh...
[03:03] <`Nomad> LOL
[03:03] <ilba7r> no way no time no experience
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> i'd still stick with the gimp though
[03:03] <`Nomad> ilba7r: now that's a weekend job
[03:03] <clintonthegeek> haha,
[03:04] <LjL> `Nomad: "sudo mr -rf /", followed by inserting the Ubuntu CD into the drive, followed by the Reset button
[03:04] <Mungallo> lol
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> haha
[03:04] <`Nomad> ubuntu i sbetter fo rmy printer?
[03:04] <`Nomad> then Kubuntu?
[03:04] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: that'd be fun :p
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> it was a joke nomad :p
[03:04] <clintonthegeek> essentially they are both the same anyways, so not really
[03:04] <`Nomad> I know, but I'm abotu ready to try anything..LOL
[03:04] <ilba7r> `Nomad, they are both the same
[03:04] <`Nomad> exactlky
[03:04] <LjL> `Nomad: no, i wasn't thinking about ubuntu vs kubuntu, just about your curses with 3.5.1 :)
[03:05] <`Nomad> though KDE may be part of the problem
[03:05] <`Nomad> who knows
[03:05] <`Nomad> Oh that!!!  yes!
[03:05] <clintonthegeek> it's more likely a CUPS problem
[03:05] <`Nomad> :)
[03:05] <`Nomad> It is..
[03:05] <ilba7r> what was the cups server address
[03:05] <`Nomad> I did a apt-get remove cups and almost removed the kde-desktop without realising it..
[03:05] <ilba7r> you can type it in a web browser and set it from there
[03:05] <LjL> localhost:631
[03:06] <LjL> assuming the printer is local of course
[03:06] <ilba7r> yap
[03:06] <`Nomad> No I can't!  well actually thanks to a lot of mental support here lately now I can.. :)
[03:06] <`Nomad> BUT
[03:06] <`Nomad> now my jobs disappear somewhere
[03:06] <`Nomad> never come out on teh printer..
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: do try what ilba7r said
[03:06] <`Nomad> so please people, check your printers to see if my jobs are there?? :)
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: you can print test pages as well from the web interface
[03:06] <clintonthegeek> hehehe
[03:06] <`Nomad> No I can't  :(
[03:06] <LjL> `Nomad: don't joke about that
[03:07] <LjL> `Nomad: i actually *did* get other people's print jobs on my printer :)
[03:07] <`Nomad> LOl
[03:07] <LjL> (when i forgot about an unimportant thing called a "password" ;)
[03:07] <hatake_kakashi> anyone ever used sylpheed to receive local mboxes? or which program do you use to receive email from your local maild?
[03:07] <LjL> `Nomad: can you *access* the web interface anyway?
[03:08] <Monsuco> how does one enable USB
[03:08] <clintonthegeek> can you be more specific?
[03:08] <LjL> Monsuco: USB usually doesn't need to be "enabled". what do you need to do?
[03:08] <`Nomad> LjL: now I can yes, there was an issue with teh proper users being admin
[03:08] <Monsuco> well, I plug my flashdrives in
[03:09] <Monsuco> and nothing happens
[03:09] <LjL> `Nomad: but still test pages don't print?
[03:09] <`Nomad> Everything checks out, btu it says it can't find a 'valid" printer
[03:09] <ilba7r> `Nomad, do not tell me you installed cups-pdf
[03:09] <clintonthegeek> usb flash drive support is still a little flaky on linux
[03:09] <`Nomad> cupd-pdf?  Shoot.. If I did I didn't do it o purpose.. :)
[03:09] <`Nomad> let me remove it to be safe if it's there
[03:09] <clintonthegeek> try booting up the computer with the flash drive in it
[03:10] <ilba7r> `Nomad, great if you did not choose it than it is not there
[03:10] <Monsuco> it worked on Ubuntu, but not on Kubuntu
[03:10] <LjL> Monsuco: uhm try "sudo mount /dev/sda /media/usbdisk", and then "ls /media/usbdisk", not sure if that's right though
[03:10] <Monsuco> also, it won't eject my CD's I am beginning to think the drivers are screwed up
[03:10] <`Nomad> nope, no pdf, though I do have bluetooth fo rno goo dreason
[03:10] <clintonthegeek> hmm.. well they are the same distro, just with different sets of programs installed
[03:10] <ilba7r> `Nomad, did you try setting up the printer from scratch usin the web interface
[03:11] <Monsuco> well, maybe something is up with my HD or something
[03:11] <`Nomad> you mean remove the one there and try again?
[03:11] <LjL> `Nomad: could you pastebin your /etc/cups/printers.conf?
[03:11] <`Nomad> why not, I'll go do that now..
[03:11] <`Nomad> yes, let me ge tit..
[03:11] <clintonthegeek> in konqueror, type "media:/" in the address bar. then you should be able to right click and "eject" your CD
[03:11] <`Nomad> or get IT
[03:11] <clintonthegeek> and that's where a USB drive would show up if it found it
[03:11] <LjL> clintonthegeek: it ought to show up on the desktop as well though....
[03:12] <clintonthegeek> you'd think so :p
[03:12] <LjL> well, it does for me :)
[03:12] <Monsuco> I can do that, but what I mean is, it is acting well weird
[03:12] <LjL> Monsuco: uh... sorry but... get used to it ;-P
[03:12] <Monsuco> well true
[03:12] <Monsuco> Ok
[03:12] <clintonthegeek> the joys of linux
[03:13] <LjL> "linux is acting weird". "yeah, and?"
[03:13] <Mungallo> umount -f /dev/hdc?
[03:13] <LjL> "windows is crashing". "yeah, and?"
[03:13] <`Nomad> http://pastebin.com/537931
[03:13] <`Nomad> The printer is currently connected but off
[03:14] <LjL> `Nomad: well, that looks about right...
[03:14] <`Nomad> I just turned it on, going to try reinstalling brand new, one more time!
[03:14] <LjL> i suppose you have gimpprint installed?
[03:15] <`Nomad> yup
[03:15] <LjL> do the logs say anything?
[03:15] <`Nomad> a lot of curse words directed at me ;)
[03:16] <LjL> =)
[03:16] <`Nomad> nothing special that i coudl recognize anyway.. In MY days, we used lpr.. :)
[03:16] <LjL> bash: lpr: command not found
[03:16] <LjL> sorry :)
[03:17] <fatbrain> How can I ... start things *automaticly* like, in the background... Like apache httpd.... ?
[03:17] <LjL> fatbrain: depends
[03:17] <LjL> fatbrain: if you want KDE apps to be started in the background, then you should do that from inside KDE
[03:18] <fatbrain> No kde apps
[03:18] <LjL> fatbrain: if you actually want things like httpd started in the background, then they should already do so
[03:18] <fatbrain> I basicly want to access my subversion repo remotly, but I can't figure out how
[03:18] <`Nomad> my cups error_log logs:  http://pastebin.com/537932 , no other logs
[03:18] <fatbrain> I've been scratching my head for hours ...  heh.
[03:18] <`Nomad> I'm at the highest debug level
[03:18] <LjL> fatbrain: uh i don't think that should involve things running in the background, though i have no real experience with svn
[03:19] <`Nomad> !svn
[03:19] <ubotu> well, svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[03:19] <LjL> `Nomad: uh, i'm not sure what that means, but i'm not sure it looks good either =)
[03:19] <`Nomad> exactly
[03:19] <Mungallo> do you have the subversion client installed?
[03:19] <LjL> `Nomad: at any rate, i don't have anything like that in my logs
[03:19] <`Nomad> setting up this printer feels like picking my nose with a hammer
[03:19] <httpdss> im wanting to receive webcam through kopete but i only see a blue window .. versions kde = 3.5.0 ... kopete 0.11 ... any solutions ?? libraries that im missing ??
[03:19] <fatbrain> Mungallo: yes
[03:20] <`Nomad> httpdss: update to KDE 3.5.1, then you won't even have a blue window.. lol
[03:20] <`Nomad> sorry
[03:20] <Mungallo> brain: do you have a remote connection to the repo?
[03:20] <httpdss> :P
[03:21] <fatbrain> Mungallo: not to the repo...
[03:21] <ilba7r> LjL, lpr is in package lpr need to be installed
[03:21] <fatbrain> I'll read some on the svn website, I'll be back in a little bit.
[03:22] <LjL> ilba7r: eh well i don't think that'd help him much though anyway, as i assume lpr would just behave as a wrapper to CUPS now or something :)
[03:22] <`Nomad> but lpr should not b eneeded right?
[03:22] <LjL> `Nomad: well, i don't have it installed, and i print ;)
[03:23] <`Nomad> yup
[03:23] <ilba7r> LjL, you sound right i do not know
[03:23] <`Nomad> lpr is from when the internet was made out of wood., :(
[03:23] <LjL> no actually -- i do have it installed on Ubuntu
[03:23] <LjL> i don't have it installed on the computer where my printer actually is, though
[03:23] <LjL> (Debian)
[03:23] <ilba7r> LjL, i have it because acrobat use it
[03:23] <LjL> bleah
[03:23] <clintonthegeek> just curious, is the printer attached through USB or parallel?
[03:23] <LjL> what's wrong with KPDF :P
[03:23] <LjL> clintonthegeek: usb
[03:24] <ilba7r> LjL, buggy ;)
[03:24] <LjL> acrobat's horrible
[03:24] <ilba7r> LjL, working perfect here
[03:24] <clintonthegeek> well, the latest version has cleaned up a lot
[03:24] <LjL> though at least the linux version isn't as huge and viral as the windows version
[03:24] <clintonthegeek> plugins are loaded as needed as opposed to all at once on startup, so it's a lot faster
[03:25] <LjL> dunno anyway, KPDF looks very nice here, though my PDF rendering needs aren't probably very advanced
[03:26] <`Nomad> I sacrobat ok?  I find the kpdf or xpdf lacking fo rnewer pdf at least
[03:26] <`Nomad> So we download it from adobe?
[03:26] <LjL> you could try evince as well, though i'm afraid that depends on the gnome libs
[03:27] <LjL> well, there's an "acroread" package as well
[03:27] <LjL> though that might not be anything like the latest version
[03:27] <ilba7r> `Nomad, try apt-get it for it will download it and set it for you
[03:29] <LjL> well trying the repos won't hurt for sure
[03:31] <clintonthegeek> okay all, i'm downloading the source for koffice 1.5 beta, and am gonna compile/install it to see if it will fix the text rendering problem in kword
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> !kde3.5.1
[03:32] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:32] <clintonthegeek> unfortunatly, i'm on a 333mhz computer with 64 meg of ram, so this will take a while ;p
[03:33] <ilba7r> good luck clintonthegeek
[03:33] <clintonthegeek> i'll let you know how it turned out in a few hours :D
[03:34] <LjL> hm well krita 1.5 seems to have a few new meaty features
[03:34] <clintonthegeek> don't like the new icon though
[03:34] <clintonthegeek> ah well
[03:34] <`Nomad> Does anyone here use a wacom board?
[03:34] <LjL> poor nomad :)
[03:34] <`Nomad> Still can't get the pressue sensitivity working
[03:34] <`Nomad> pressure..
[03:35] <`Nomad> I'm sure that a few updates down the road and whatever I have that's broken will get well
[03:35] <clintonthegeek> would it involve adding another axis in xorg.conf or something?
[03:35] <`Nomad> Hahahaha  Windows is now detecting Plug and Play hardware..
[03:35] <hatake_kakashi> has 3.5.1 been stabilised?
[03:36] <LjL> clintonthegeek: look, i've compiled lots of things on a 300MHz machine (which is still my server machine), but really, can't you just wait for an update, for your own sake? :)
[03:36] <`Nomad> clinto: You may be on to something
[03:36] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: you wish
[03:36] <clintonthegeek> well LjL, i'm considering leaving it over night
[03:36] <brodel> kakashi-sensei! :D
[03:36] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: heh :p I've had problems with the failsafe, I wonder will this be improved :p meh oh well
[03:36] <LjL> clintonthegeek: so that it'll bail out on a dependency you have forgotten right after you close your eyes? :)
[03:37] <clintonthegeek> the ubuntu binaries were released 3 days ago, so either an update will be here REAL SOON, or they won't bother.
[03:37] <clintonthegeek> but it won't hurt much other than my electricity bill to compile it myself
[03:37] <LjL> well, if there's a serious bug, i'm not sure they won't bother fixing it fast
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> yeah, that's what i figured too
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> but it looks like the Kubuntu bug report thingy is a real pain to use
[03:38] <LjL> it says it's broken in the topic - they'll know already
[03:38] <clintonthegeek> hmm... good point
[03:39] <hatake_kakashi> or you can join in their mailing-list
[03:39] <LjL> or just say "Riddell" ;)
[03:39] <clintonthegeek> hehehe
[03:43] <clintonthegeek> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121336 - the bug report for Kword, btw :)
[03:44] <LjL> that looks nice
[03:44] <LjL> i'm sure it's a feature and not a bug
[03:45] <clintonthegeek> haha, that's what i though too. i thought it was showing the different heights and dimensions of my fonts or something
[03:45] <clintonthegeek> until i couldn't turn it off
[03:45] <LjL> must have been a shocking realization
[03:47] <clintonthegeek> well, i kept doubting it was a bug, 'cause i wondered how something that blatent could get released. 'guess it was just an oversite on a large scale
[03:48] <LjL> well, it's still a beta at any rate
[03:49] <clintonthegeek> yeah. it's cool. it'll be fixed in a while one way or another. i really like the transition to ODT as the default document :D
[03:49] <LjL> i like mostly that krita is coming out very nice
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> as well as all the other opendocument filetypes and programs. very cool that we'll finally get some real cross-platform standardization, not just compatibility
[03:50] <LjL> now i would like a decent audio editor, and for what i'm concerned, KDE would finally have all the applications one reasonably expects from it
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> aha
[03:50] <clintonthegeek> yeah, Audacity is pretty cool, but something QT would be nice
[03:50] <LjL> kwave stinks, no offence to the authors, but they've been pretty lazy lately
[03:51] <LjL> now there's this soniK that's just recently been released - very embrional, but i have some hope
[03:51] <LjL> on the other hand, Gnome seems to be full with all kinds of audio editors *grr*
[03:51] <clintonthegeek> hmm... haven't played around with it
[03:51] <clintonthegeek> anyhoo, i gotta go. so thanks for your help everyone! ttyl
[03:51] <LjL> CoolEdit on Windows was, err, cool
[03:51] <LjL> night
[03:53] <ilba7r> night LjL
[03:54] <`Nomad> LjL: thanks so much for all your help and guidance tonight.  win98 is about to reboot for the last time, and then I can start on teh endless update process  :)
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> lmao
[03:54] <LjL> `Nomad: i don't believe that for a moment :)
[03:54] <LjL> anyway i'm *not* going away just yet, i was just greeting clintonthegeek ;)
[03:54] <LjL> though i definitely better go to bed as well
[03:56] <LjL> anyway do get a win2000 cd as soon as you can
[03:56] <LjL> win98 doesn't deserve being run, not even in an emulator =)
[03:56] <`Nomad> I know, I feel dirty, I swear!!  LOL
[03:56] <Tarus> What is a good ftp severto use?
[03:56] <Tarus> server**
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> its sad to see within nt world, there only exist DOS emulator
[03:56] <ilba7r> LjL, than you should not run wine ;)
[03:57] <LjL> ilba7r: wine ain't win98
[03:57] <ilba7r> LjL, it uses dcomp
[03:57] <LjL> ilba7r: ok, it's a bit reminescent of it, but it still isn't
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: vsftpd
[03:57] <`Nomad> well, if $e == 98 , then it is  ;)
[03:57] <ilba7r> win95 installer
[03:57] <LjL> eeh well
[03:57] <Tarus> LjL: win98 was microsofts best OS
[03:57] <LjL> not by any extent of imagination
[03:57] <LjL> it doesn't even have real memory protection
[03:58] <Tarus> LjL: compare it to there other work.. it was a BIG step from 95
[03:58] <LjL> (or multitasking for that matter, i don't think they removed the huge system-wide DLL lock in '98)
[03:58] <`Nomad> When I apply all the updates ( I was thinkign of letting it do auto updates) does qemu reboot automatically, or I have to reatart it every time?
[03:58] <LjL> windows 2000 runs fine
[03:58] <LjL> `Nomad: haven't the slightest idea, but i guess it reboots
[03:58] <Tarus> LjL: to many opens for its time
[03:58] <`Nomad> For my needs though, I think that 98 should be good enough
[03:59] <LjL> Tarus: ?
[03:59] <LjL> Tarus: linux had multitasking and MP well before '95
[04:00] <LjL> Tarus: win98 is laughable for simply being a revamped version of '95, *still* without any real OS features
[04:00] <Tarus> I mean to many openings as in security flaws that and bugs ... compared to the time that win98 came out.. so far the most "heart, soul, blood, sweat" etc... went into win98
[04:00] <`Nomad> if you setup linux in qemu, running qemu running linux, which is runnig qemu with the top file as a disk, do you get perpetual motion?
[04:00] <Tarus> But anyway
[04:00] <Tarus> *(lol)
[04:00] <`Nomad> Tarus: I agree with you, it almost felt like they worked at it.. ;)
[04:01] <`Nomad> Then win2K, and now everythignis just a front in front of win2K code
[04:01] <`Nomad> or so it looks anyway
[04:01] <LjL> bah... get windows 98 to crash, and i'll laugh at you -- get win2000 to crash, and i'll probably consider giving you an account on my debian
[04:01] <`Nomad> weird place to be discussing this, we're gonna get beat up and thrown out!!!  :)
[04:01] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, the final decision on if I like kubuntu or not is really difficult :(
[04:02] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: you don't, but you still like it more than you like windows or gnome. trust me :P
[04:02] <`Nomad> aji: why?
[04:02] <`Nomad> KDE always felt better to me
[04:02] <Tarus> 'Nomad: yes that and right now microsoft keeps putting things out when they arnt ready... It just keeps getting worse.. windows (the idea) is a good one... gates stole the idea I think he should at least use it and make it better. Instead they are more conserned with profit
[04:02] <`Nomad> solid,
[04:02] <Aji-Dahaka> kde feels better to me for sure
[04:02] <LjL> Tarus: what's the idea of windows?
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> it's not much a question of kde vs. gnome (or whatever) but ...
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> kubuntu vs. whatever else I choose that I can run kde on
[04:03] <`Nomad> ahhh
[04:03] <ilba7r> Aji-Dahaka, give your self more time to decide
[04:03] <`Nomad> Suse?
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> probably not suse ...
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> gentoo, maybe
[04:03] <`Nomad> I'd like to give Suse a try, haven't installed it in ages
[04:03] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, i have debian running on my server, and i've tried it on my desktop more than once as well... and i never quite got in terms with it, even though as a server it runs fine
[04:03] <Aji-Dahaka> I tried 10.0 and it was ... difficult
[04:04] <`Nomad> LjL: what do you use as a desktop?
[04:04] <Aji-Dahaka> kubuntu is missing software that I'm used to using from their versioning system which kinda bothers me
[04:04] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: i was very favorably impressed with (k)ubuntu, it installed without glitches, then of course i discovered it does have a few glitches here and there... but still, it's very workable
[04:04] <`Nomad> so far yes..
[04:04] <Aji-Dahaka> like no kmplayer and no version-controlled skype, etc.
[04:04] <`Nomad> I've never looked back yet for a desktop
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> usually I use FreeBSD, but am after a linux for development
[04:05] <LjL> `Nomad: well, my desktop machine is a Sempron 2GHz with Kubuntu Breezy and KDE 3.5.0, while my server is a K6 300MHz with Debian Testing and no X
[04:05] <`Nomad> Server, I don't knwo if I'd use it, or a BSD, or the obligatory RedHat if you'r ein North America
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> the fact that my kde home directory isn't working in kubuntu might be the big factor ...
[04:05] <`Nomad> how so?
[04:05] <Aji-Dahaka> and that it doesn't seem to respect the $HOME but instead somehow reverse-lookups on UID
[04:06] <LjL> `Nomad: well "server" means my home server anyway, nothing mission critical at all
[04:06] <LjL> `Nomad: debian testing gives me the freedom i need together with quite good stabilty
[04:06] <`Nomad> would Ubuntu run on a mission critical server?
[04:06] <Aji-Dahaka> probably could ... but why?
[04:06] <LjL> i wouldn't run on it
[04:07] <`Nomad> depends on teh "mission" I think :)
[04:07] <Tarus> LjL: I mean the IDEA for windows and many of the features it has they could make alot of money if they came out with it being solid it may take more time but people would respect the company more if they did. Anyway.... Can anyone recommend a good ftp server. I need to use one for ZPanel. Not sure which to pick and which is the easiest to configure. I need one that can easily be configured and pointed toward an address examp
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> (k)ubuntu are rather targeted at the workstation
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: limit: examp
[04:07] <`Nomad> Iknow
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: I have good work with vsftp ususally
[04:07] <Aji-Dahaka> luck*
[04:08] <LjL> Tarus: i'm still not sure what the "idea" for windows would be. they just made a cheap copy of what was available at the time in terms of GUIs...
[04:08] <`Nomad> I still wish I could have used a NeXT for a while
[04:08] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: its all capitalism :p
[04:08] <LjL> `Nomad: use it :)
[04:08] <`Nomad> yup
[04:08] <`Nomad> with the matching hardware.. :)  It seemed so far ahead of it,s time
[04:09] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: Does my server need to be set up with https to use it?
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> has anyone had trouble with kubuntu not respecting their home directory if they have 2 users with the same uid but different home directories?
[04:09] <`Nomad> wait, is there NeXT for Intel?
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: probably not
[04:09] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: in fact, no
[04:09] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: *(lol) okay
[04:09] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: if it sells (and it sold!), good for them. but then, windows couldn't do anything that my Amiga didn't do much better and in a much friendlier way
[04:09] <LjL> so i don't quite tune into the "idea" thing
[04:09] <`Nomad> Aji: Why would that situation arise?
[04:09] <`Nomad> same UID
[04:10] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: to me windows has been steering towards the idea of eye-candy
[04:10] <LjL> `Nomad: or just use OS X, it's NeXTStep after all
[04:10] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: well, that's just a recent phenomenon though
[04:10] <Aji-Dahaka> `Nomad: because I have two users with different passwords and want them to have the _exact_ same permissions
[04:10] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: windows version from 1.0 to 3.1 were far from eyecandylike
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I bet the next windows release (aka vista) would probably turn out to be just like windows ME.. another little leeway for them to try and get more money to develop windows longhorn
[04:11] <`Nomad> I guess :)  I can't wait to be able to afford a laptop.. Probably a MAC
[04:11] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: i'm not sure you should do that
[04:11] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: it sounds like asking for trouble to me
[04:11] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: it isn't in any other OS I use ...
[04:11] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: windows 2000 to windows XP, the core is pretty much hacked to suit XP, and from when you first boot up without any theme changes, it is noticeable that XP looks noobish
[04:12] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, don't quote me on this, but AFAIK, one UID should correspond to one user, otherwise you're in trouble
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> and kubuntu seems to do something wrong with having a user's home directory directly in /
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: I'll not quote you.  There are in fact Several OSes/Distros that ship with multiple users on one uid
[04:12] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: i can't stand XP with the default theme, i always switch back to plain Windows at once
[04:12] <Aji-Dahaka> LjL: maybe all of the BSDs, in fact
[04:12] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: iirc uid is an unique identity for that user, if one were to share the same with root, wouldn't that be odd too?
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: same
[04:13] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: that's the exact case in freeBSD, actually.  toor shares root's uid (0) ... works just fine
[04:13] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: but, i don't really *have* to anyway, i just use windows 2000 instead (if i have to use windows at all)
[04:13] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: and the same goes with the windows vista, I've seen screenshots of it, and it doesn't look much different compared to xp except with those transparency which the idea originated from someone else
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: odd
[04:14] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: MS is losing inventive on Windows i think
[04:14] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: its probably the way how certain users are handled? PAM?
[04:14] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: now that it's become nearly a real operating system, they have no ideas anymore :)
[04:15] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I have a gut feeling that they are setting high goals without realising that they are fascinated with eye-candy features that _must_ be implemented before anything else
[04:15] <LjL> though i think they could start by cleaning up their messy filesystem hierarchy
[04:15] <LjL> (guess the same could be said for unix otoh)
[04:15] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: maybe, freebsd uses pam as well, though.  Users info is set up by login which shoudl be the only thing that reads through fstab to set the appropriate environment variables from the info provided there
[04:15] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: that's possible, see how innovations like WinFS got delayed and then cancelled...
[04:16] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: they speak real high for their new 'winfs' yet they have delayed it for like 5 years
[04:16] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: no no, I mean the way how its to be handled could probably be different
[04:16] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: if the $HOME variable says /home/a and another user with a matching $UID happens to be set to have homedir /home/b, _nothing_ should end up being in /home/b
[04:16] <Gumpo> Im trying to switch to the KDE environment, so i used apt-get to download and install the kubuntu-desktop package, but after rebooting i still have my normal gnome desktop. Anyone know what i should do?
[04:16] <Gumpo> (Im doing this off an Ubuntu install)
[04:17] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: in kubuntu, I can login, and cd (etc) take me to $HOME, but when I startkde, it starts writing in the homedir of the matching-uid'd user
[04:17] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: funny thing is that they cancelled the idea of winfs on vista..yet before that time, they say its most likely that it will be on it
[04:17] <LjL> Gumpo: choose KDE at login
[04:17] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: THAT delaying for 5 years would be a good thing
[04:17] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: they have no clue :)
[04:18] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: I personally think the new windows should be delayed till LATE next year... instead its set for dec.
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, again its different from the way its built, I'm no expert but from looking at the three kernels (solaris, fbsd, linux) it looks fairly different
[04:18] <Gumpo> It doesnt give me a choice. I selected KDE when i installed, and when i rebooted i got the Kubuntu login screen, but everything else was my old Ubuntu stuff.
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: really? I feel that would be somewhat stupid.. zfs from Sun would probably cain.. and if reiser4 gets fixed would be nice
[04:18] <MrJangles> whats the command to burn a cd?
[04:18] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: as usual
[04:18] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: but my shell takes me to the write place, and lnusertemp the wrong place.  That's definitely a bug outside of kernelland
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> MrJangles: cdrecord ?
[04:19] <Aji-Dahaka> (way outside as users are also mostly outside of it)
[04:19] <MrJangles> is there a program in kde?
[04:19] <`Nomad> k3b
[04:19] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: well, that would probably be needed to be addressed through their mailing-list perhaps?
[04:19] <`Nomad> excellent
[04:20] <Tarus> hatake_kakashi: yes but you know how long reiser has been in development... I was saying that if microsoft wanted to use there OWN filesystem.... Although it would be CHEAPER and more efficiant to simply use one thats already proven very good
[04:21] <Tarus> microsfot just wants to be able to say that it is theirs and CONTROL it *(lol)
[04:21] <LjL> Tarus: that would not be in line with what MS always used to do, by any means
[04:21] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: maybe, but it's funny because it doesn't happen in other OSen that use lnusertemp ... I would file the bug if I could figure out who to point at for blame :p  I should dig into that code when I have time (after finals)
[04:21] <Tarus> microsoft**
[04:21] <Tarus> ha ha
[04:21] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: proven very good? FAT32 is nice but it has 4GB limit.. NTFS was stolen from some other company's idea and yet their so called ADS will benefit users when they realised it does totally the opposite
[04:21] <LjL> Tarus: microsoft surely couldn't use ReiserFS or somesuch in Windows anyway, as that's stuff under the GPL (LGPL if all goes well)
[04:22] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, either way, the old saying goes "Its built by humans, for humans" still stands :)
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> indeed
[04:23] <Tarus> I think NTFS is pretty "ok"
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> too bad NTFS is not well supported on linux except for captive-ntfs
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> so I might hide in a different linux until this problem is resolved
[04:23] <LjL> yeah, though i guess i wouldn't use it as the main filesystem on linux anyway
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (and kmplayer is brought into the packaging system)
[04:23] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: heh, LFS? :D j/k
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> hatake_kakashi: usually I do gentoo
[04:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (almost as bad, huh?)
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: I am seriously considering to re-allocate my ntfs filesystems that I have to ext3 due to the nature that it is supported by both parties
[04:24] <hatake_kakashi> Aji-Dahaka: well you cannot really compare gentoo to LFS
[04:25] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: well, i'm not sure it's very well supported as a native FS under windows, or is it
[04:25] <LjL> to me, the one big advantage of NTFS is its on-the-fly compression capability
[04:25] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: *shrugs* via third party tools, yes
[04:25] <natkae> How can I make a set of kde prefrences (window decorations, theme, task bar settings, etc...) the default for any new users I create?
[04:25] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: How is gentoo? Compared to Kubuntu? I know kubuntu has the advantage of being seperate from the debian pool which is one reason I use it. But gentoo has there own way of doing things... Does it take that long to compile a program ever time you want to install a new one?
[04:25] <Aji-Dahaka> 12:30, lunch time mates!  talk to you lata
[04:25] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: oh, it's largely source-based
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: so it takes a while to compile things if you want the stuff from the source tree
[04:26] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: i had the impression that those tools weren't too reliable tho
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: but it seems to not break often for me and the package system is simple which makes it easy to fix problems that occur
[04:26] <Tarus> Tarus: is there an "easy" way to uninstall things?
[04:26] <Tarus> Aji-Dahaka: ***
[04:26] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah
[04:27] <Aji-Dahaka> emerge -c <name of package>
[04:27] <LjL> sudo apt-get remove thing
[04:27] <LjL> oh gentoo
[04:27] <Tarus> thats not bad
[04:27] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: if only ms stops being greedy, using things coming out of FLOSS for their commercial use.. it would be nicer.. but no, many ms advocates are stupid enough to not see the blinding light that corprations are starting to go 'make-or-break' situation with the hybrid environment
[04:27] <Tarus> I guess the main downside would be time spent compiling
[04:28] <LjL> hatake_kakashi: you do know they'd have to open-source windows if they linked to any GPL components though
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> Tarus: though many recommends stage3 rather than stage 1 unless if you are really gung-ho about it
[04:28] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: but since computers are way overpowered these days and schedulers are good, you can compile in the background easily
[04:28] <Tarus> I was reading that Gates came out and said that they want to make a FREE version of windows
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> LjL: well, they have been anti-competitive.. and I don't think they even care.. they ignored POSIX compliance and created their own..
[04:28] <Tarus> WITH ADDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:29] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: the only thing is you don't get to play with your new software the minute you want to ... but since I mostly know what I like, it's not an issue here
[04:29] <LjL> yeah i read that too somewhere
[04:29] <Tarus> Yes they plan on making more money from the add one then they do the one they sell
[04:29] <ClayG> anyone here set up 2 or more vhosts in httpd.conf before?
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tarus: anyways, dinner here.  Try gentoo sometime if you have a few free hours spread out over several days ;)
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> heh he's gone
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> bah
[04:30] <Aji-Dahaka> oh well
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> and funny that his ident points to 'root'
[04:31] <`Nomad> hehe
[04:33] <`Nomad> I wonder how many weeks it'll take to bring win98 up to 'patched' status :)
[04:34] <_vge> i lived in a tought that it dont have support aka no patches anymore
[04:34] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: ms has discontinued support for win98
[04:34] <_vge> so pretty fast actually ;)
[04:34] <LjL> time for bed, night
[04:39] <`Nomad> I'm downloading updates now
[04:39] <`Nomad> SP1, IE 6
[04:39] <`Nomad> it's going pretty fast too, on my old AMD Athlon 1800
[04:54] <`Nomad> !gimp
[04:54] <ubotu> from memory, gimp is at http://www.gimp.org
[04:55] <Spudly> g'day folks
[04:56] <Spudly> anyone got any comments on whether Kubuntu is _actually_ faster (efficeint, less resource intensive, etc) than Ubuntu?
[05:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[05:03] <apappu> hi
[05:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was setting my system in order to control the cpu freq by hand
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i made an error and now i can't uninstall cpufreq
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> synaptics give me this error
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> E: cpufreqd: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i think it is because i removed by hand the entry in /etc/init.d
[05:04] <apappu> what do u mean removing by hand
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> read above
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok problem solved :)
[05:06] <apappu> what did u do
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just created with touch an empty file
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in init.d
[05:06] <apappu> ok
[05:06] <apappu> cool
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and synaptics didn't gave me any error
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyway
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to control the freq with cpufreq-selector
[05:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> using this command cpufreq-selector -f 1610000
[05:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but it seems it needs one of the freq controller installed like powernowd cpufreq and so on
[05:07] <apappu> r u usng a laptop
[05:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with needs i mean that otherwise it gives me this error when executed
[05:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ( yes, on a laptop)
[05:08] <apappu> ok otherwise u dont need to change it
[05:08] <a-priori> hey, does anyone know if it's possible to load the whole livecd into ram so it doesn't need the cd?
[05:09] <apappu> do u by any chance know how to change the font of shell to be comic-san
[05:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh....
[05:09] <a-priori> I know I've done it before?
[05:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't find the error, but it tells me that it need a cpu freq controller
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> once i install powernowd anyway the program works but if i set the freq to 1.6M
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> after few seconds the daemon bring it back at 600K
[05:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only way to lock this autocontrol is to kill powernowd process
[05:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does it changes between killing powernowd and don't starting it at boot?
[05:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> using the second procedure i still get the same "miss cpu freq controller" error
[05:12] <httpdss> does anyone know how to get a kodak dvc323 (webcam) working on ubuntu (kubuntu) ... ?? sane aparently has support for that one, but i couldnt get it to work
[05:13] <ClayG> anyone here deal with vhosts in httpd.conf before?
[05:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no
[05:15] <zblach> hi
[05:15] <zblach> anyone here know a fool-proof way to install ATI drivers?
[05:17] <zblach> no?
[05:21] <kameron> !ati
[05:21] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[05:21] <kameron> zblach, ^^
[05:23] <zblach> kam, thx
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i know in which package a file is contained?
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> suppose that i have the file /etc/init.d/cpufreqd
[05:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i know to which debian package it comes from?
[05:27] <rance> how do I install a package as setuid
[05:28] <rance> I installed LinNeighborhood and it installed smbfs as a dependency, but when I try to mount the remote path, I get an error smbmount must be installed suid root for direct user mounts
[05:29] <kameron> Tallia1Kubuntu, cpufreqd is the package name. try this: 'sudo apt-cache search cpufreqd'
[05:29] <hatake_kakashi> !pastebin
[05:29] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nop it is not
[05:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i uninstalled cpufreqd
[05:32] <kameron> Tallia1Kubuntu, when you uninstall a program, it often leaves it's configuration files, among other things. you'll notice if you uninstall kde, or mozilla, the ~./mozilla or ~/.kde will still be there.
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah but that is a script autostarted in the boot
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it could be stupid to leave that there
[05:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> at boot time*
[05:33] <kameron> and, it was left there when you uninstalled cpufreqd. i'm sure it was installed there when you installed cpufreqd
[05:33] <kameron> and when you removed it, it remained.
[05:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[05:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> not so sure
[05:34] <kameron> try removing it, then 'sudo apt-get install cpufreqd'
[05:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyway... how can i get the informations collectable by the installed files panel in synaptics in the shell?
[05:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i am using the shell*
[05:35] <kameron> i didn't quite understand the question. but synaptic is an ubuntu-desktop thing.
[05:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[05:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i use to use it from long time
[05:35] <kameron> what's the question?
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> apt-cache show PACKNAME
[05:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is the answer
[05:37] <kameron> sweet, so long as you have the answer.. makes things easy for me.
[05:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> actually it's not the answer :P
[05:37] <kameron> dang.
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kameron: but this is the right one :) dpkg -L cpufreqd
[05:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dpkg -L
[05:41] <kameron> ah, for list. okay.
[05:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dpkg -S FILE
[05:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is even better :)
[05:42] <kameron> ;-)
[05:43] <adub> is there a way in kde to disable touchpad mouse
[05:43] <kameron> yeah, break it.
[05:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> usually there are keys on the laptop
[05:43] <kameron> but be careful, it's a permanent.
[05:44] <adub> umm domt see any
[05:44] <adub> i just have two buttons left adn right
[05:48] <alvin> how could i set the dpi? the default seems huge
[05:48] <alvin> running kubutun breezy here
[05:48] <kameron> k >> system settings >> mouse
[05:49] <adub> didnt see an option for touchpad in there
[05:49] <adub> but im using usb mouse right now when i type on this laptop im constantly hiting the touchpad its annoying
[06:03] <bryanl> what kde package do i need to install to configure kde display properties?
[06:03] <ilba7r> !info kcontrol
[06:04] <ubotu> kcontrol: (control center for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 7589 kB, Installed size: 16816 kB
[06:04] <ilba7r> that is your best bet bryanl kde control center
[06:04] <bryanl> thanks
[06:04] <ilba7r> yw:)
[06:05] <bryanl> i'm running all gnome here... but i'm using esvn, and the fonts are way too big on my lcd...
[06:05] <ilba7r> bryan i used kcontrol to fix that
[06:05] <bryanl> i'm actually running dapper... its downloading kcontrol 3.5.1 now
[06:05] <ilba7r> it will install a bunch of kde lib though
[06:05] <bryanl> thats cool... i have lots of disk space
[06:06] <ilba7r> bryanl, i used kcontrol to fix lyx and kile
[06:06] <bryanl> i fixed my issue... thanks for your help ilba7r
[06:07] <ilba7r> your welcomed:)
[06:09] <StR> hi all
[06:09] <StR> how do I downgrade to kde 3.5.0?
[06:10] <ilba7r> StR, there is no simple way to do it
[06:10] <StR> ilba7r: how would you do it?
[06:10] <ilba7r> StR, you have to force downgrade each package
[06:10] <StR> each package?
[06:11] <ilba7r> yap
[06:11] <kameron> StR, probably uninstall the packages you have now, then make sure your sources.list is configured to get it from repos with 3.5, reinstall
[06:11] <_vge> why does my brand new apache+php server opens file dialog window when .php file is requested?
[06:11] <kameron> ouch, each package. that's rough
[06:11] <ilba7r> StR, how did you install kubuntu
[06:11] <StR> ilba7r: ok.. lets try something else....   how do I install missing packages if I did an "aptitude  upgrade" instead of an "aptitude distupgrade" ?
[06:11] <ilba7r> if you used aptitude it is easy
[06:12] <beefsprocket> _vge: konqueror or firefox?
[06:12] <_vge> bought
[06:12] <beefsprocket> _vge: are you sure php is running?
[06:12] <StR> ilba7r: I did an "aptitude upgrade" to get lde 3.5.1...
[06:12] <_vge> well basically the packet is installed as far as i see
[06:12] <ilba7r> StR, mm your broken packages might not be in the new kde
[06:13] <beefsprocket> _vge: which packages specifically do you have installed
[06:13] <beefsprocket> ?
[06:13] <ilba7r> StR, did you upgrade from hoary
[06:13] <StR> ilba7r: my problem is that kontact crashes every time now...
[06:13] <pussfeller> 0 17 * * 1-5 should run m-f at 4pm, right?
[06:14] <_vge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP <-- thease
[06:14] <StR> ilba7r: I upgraded from hoary to get breezy 3.4.. then upgrade to get 3.5.... and now  upgrade to get 3.5.1... but my kontact is crashing every time...  even after i did rm ~/kde/*/*/kontact*
[06:14] <ilba7r> str have you checked if it is just a bug with kontact
[06:14] <StR> ilba7r: no... all the ppl I ask do note get the error
[06:14] <ilba7r> StR, ok lets redo that it might work
[06:15] <ilba7r> first do a dist-upgrade
[06:15] <ilba7r> than run sudo aptitude upgrade again
[06:15] <ilba7r> you might be missing either some config files or some basic packages
[06:15] <beefsprocket> _vge: I take it you followed the entire page.. have you tried serving static content to see if html works?
[06:16] <StR> ilba7r: nothing..  no new package was installed
[06:17] <ilba7r> StR, am sorry can not help.
[06:17] <pussfeller> why didnt my cron run?
[06:17] <ilba7r> would you try sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:17] <pussfeller> dont ubuntu have user crons
[06:17] <_vge> beefsprocket: yes, apache is running and html pages work
[06:17] <StR> ilba7r: i get:
[06:17] <StR> The following packages will be REINSTALLED:
[06:17] <StR>   kubuntu-desktop
[06:18] <ilba7r> ok do it
[06:18] <Phelddagrif> Guys, I'm having trouble with my install. After I installed Kubuntu, I restarted and was welcomed by a "Grub loading, error 21" message, so I put in my win 98 boot disk and fixed my mbr, but since I'm trying to dual boot both Kubuntu and XP, I don't get any sort of message to choose between the two and my computer automatically boots to XP. What's going on?
[06:18] <ilba7r> its a meta package thought more will be reinstalled
[06:18] <StR> ilba7r: nope.. it installed only that one
[06:18] <ilba7r> StR, do you have another desktop installed
[06:19] <StR> ilba7r: nop.. only kde...
[06:19] <ilba7r> mm how about doing a test. make a new user
[06:19] <ilba7r> login with his name and test kontact
[06:19] <StR> ilba7r: I do get  this msg after the crash:
[06:19] <StR> kabc: WARNING: address format database incomplete (no format for locale gt found). Using default address formatting.
[06:19] <StR> *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)
[06:19] <ilba7r> let us see if it is kontact or the upgrade
[06:20] <ilba7r> what is the package language gt?
[06:20] <StR> ilba7r: I don't know.. I think GT is for Guatemala, where I live
[06:21] <ilba7r> str i do not know how to set your locale but i guess this is the source of your prob
[06:21] <ilba7r> it might be a pckage you need to install
[06:22] <StR> ilba7r: should it be this one?
[06:22] <ilba7r> !locale
[06:22] <ubotu> ilba7r: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:22] <StR> str@dvo:~$ set | grep LANGUAGE
[06:22] <StR> LANGUAGE=en_GT:en
[06:23] <ilba7r> ok str it is sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale
[06:23] <StR> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:24] <ilba7r> ya
[06:26] <nrdb> is it possible to mount samba shares as part of the file system with 'mount' ?
[06:27] <GullyFoyle> i would like to use the jin chess client. i d/led it but it gives me numerous errors when i try to run it. it is a java program. should i try to install Sun's  JRE, i.e. by java-package? the jin chess client has always worked for me on every linux distro and believe me that's a lot of em.
[06:27] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, it work well with sun java
[06:27] <ilba7r> also you might try eboard
[06:27] <ilba7r> same quality
[06:28] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, and perhaps we can play a game oneday :)
[06:28] <GullyFoyle> i know about eboard but i like jin. if i install Sun's JRE will I get any conflicts?
[06:29] <ilba7r> what do you mean by conflicts?
[06:29] <ilba7r> and i run jin with sun java no problems it is a little bit slow though to my taste
[06:35] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ruh roh, i d/l ed eboard and untarred etc, i don't have the compiler installed. should i just apt-get install gcc or what?
[06:35] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, eboard is in the repos
[06:36] <ilba7r> just apt-get it
[06:36] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ok lemme check
[06:36] <ilba7r> !info eboard
[06:36] <ubotu> eboard: (A graphical chessboard program), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-4build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 520 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB
[06:37] <nrdb> I am trying to use mount to mount a samba share, it keeps telling me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //sharons/sharonsdata," can anyone help?
[06:37] <poningru> nrdb: what do you try to mount it as?
[06:38] <poningru> the fs I mean
[06:38] <nrdb> poningru: -t smbfs at /tmp/samba
[06:38] <poningru> hmm weird
[06:38] <poningru> wait you sure its not just smb?
[06:38] <poningru> not smbfs
[06:39] <Mungallo> do you have sharing set up on the samba share? win32 side?
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: ok it's working....thanks
[06:39] <nrdb> poningru: I don't seem to have smbmount, what do you mean smb?
[06:39] <poningru> yeah nm it is smbfs
[06:39] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, your welcomed
[06:40] <nrdb> Mungallo: I have no problem using Konqueror
[06:40] <poningru> nrdb: check what Mungallo just said
[06:40] <poningru> oh hmm
[06:40] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: uh oh it keeps segfaulting
[06:40] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, are you running dapper. for i do not have those prob at all here
[06:40] <Mungallo> didn't think you did nrdb, but I use occam's razor and start at the easy stuff.
[06:41] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: no breezy on amd64
[06:41] <StR> anyone knows where the toolbar configuration is saved?
[06:41] <Mungallo> so the windows box has sharing enabled on the folder you're trying to share?
[06:41] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, with amd64 expect lots of troubles unless you opt down to i386 kernel
[06:42] <nrdb> Mungallo: I am tied on copping one file to Linux edit it then copy back, again, again and again.
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: grr it keeps segfaulting
[06:42] <ilba7r> StR, was reconfiguring your locale any help?
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r:  i'm gonna try installing a different JRE and using jin
[06:43] <StR> ilba7r: no.. I think is my toolbar...  because it crashes when I switch the toolbar.. and now seting it back to the default.. i think it works..
[06:43] <ilba7r> StR, good luck than
[06:43] <Mungallo> nrdb: I am confused, I thought the problem was that you couldn't get a smb share to mount on your local FS?
[06:44] <StR> ilba7r: the probem is that if I change the views a lot (from summary to mail, to contacts, to rss, and again and again)  in the mail toolbar, I have a big wite space between the spam buttons and the "what is this"
[06:45] <ilba7r> StR, i have no idea what might cause that hope you can figure it out
[06:45] <nrdb> Mungallo: that is correct, I can use Konqueror to transfer files back and forth, but I want do be able to use other programs (e.g. gimp) without first coping the file.
[06:45] <GullyFoyle> tihs is the include java runtime environment? I GOTTA LOOK UP DEBIAN'S JAVA-PACKAGE AND INSTALL IT. unfortunately amd 64 is not well-supported yet.gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.0.2 20050808 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.0.1-4ubuntu9)
[06:46] <Mungallo> I see, so you want to be able to have the share mounted and access it(a file on the share) from a program?
[06:46] <Knowerrors> If I burn a cd with jpgs an gifs on it, without file extensions, will someone with windows xp, a macOSX, or regular dvd player be able to read it, or do I need the extensions?
[06:46] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, try the forums i remember someone managed to figure out how to set it there
[06:47] <nrdb> Mungallo: yes, from somewhere like /mnt/samba
[06:47] <Mungallo> that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:48] <Mungallo> its faster to do it from the local fs though.
[06:48] <nrdb> Mungallo: it is (mount -t smbfs //sharons/sharonsdata /tmp/samba/ -o username="",password="") isn't doing it.
[06:49] <Mungallo> nrdb: it should already be mounted though if you can read it from konquerer.
[06:49] <GullyFoyle> i don't wanna go back to Mandriva. I prefer "The Debian Way". But I thought (K)ubuntu was more up-to-date than waiting for Debian to test every pkg on every architecture.
[06:49] <Mungallo> Gully, whats the problem?
[06:50] <GullyFoyle> the problem is the JRE on amd64, and just about everything else on amd64
[06:50] <nrdb> Mungallo: Konqueror has the URL of "smb://sharons/SHARONSDATA" but this isn't visable from the filesystem.
[06:50] <Mungallo> nrdb: I'm not really sure what to tell you then, find a faq/howto on the subject?
[06:51] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, exactly it will all work out if you installed the i386 image
[06:51] <Mungallo> Guly, I tend to agree with you amd64 is a bit buggy.
[06:51] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: i know, but then what's the point of having a 64-bit processor?
[06:52] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, then wait till it is better supported. life is life GullyFoyle
[06:52] <nrdb> Mungallo: I came here after a google or two, they say to this should work, but it doesn't.  I was hopping to find out why.
[06:52] <Mungallo> it'll be there eventually? ;)
[06:52] <ilba7r> that is how it is when living on the edje :)
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> ilba7r: i'll just mess around and try to come up with something
[06:53] <ilba7r> goodluck
[06:53] <nrdb> Mungallo: what version of mount should I have?
[06:53] <Mungallo> what are you trying to run Gully?
[06:53] <GullyFoyle> i'm gonna see if java-package works
[06:53] <Mungallo> nrdb: that shouldn't matter
[06:53] <Mungallo> jvm/jre? or development?
[06:53] <nrdb> Mungallo: do I need the smbmount program?
[06:54] <Mungallo> you can give that a shot.
[06:54] <GullyFoyle> if i could get ut2004 working properly i wouldn't have to boot Winbloze at all, har har...
[06:54] <nrdb> Mungallo: do you know which package to install to get it?
[06:55] <Mungallo> nrdb: check this out http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#NETWORK-CONFIGURATION-NSF-SMB
[06:56] <Mungallo> thats how I learned to do it.
[06:56] <GullyFoyle> uname -a
[06:56] <GullyFoyle> Linux ringworld 2.6.12-10-amd64-generic #1 Mon Jan 16 17:16:24 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:56] <Red_Herring> slackbook.org?
[06:56] <Red_Herring> ringworld...?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> !kdethemes
[06:57] <Mungallo> slackbook is the slackware website, they have good generic docs.
[06:57] <Red_Herring> oh
[06:57] <Red_Herring> nice
[06:57] <GullyFoyle> does anyone here run amd64 and is there a smooth way to install Sun's JRE or a reasonable equivalent?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[06:57] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:57] <Red_Herring> maybe?
[06:57] <Red_Herring> it works
[06:57] <Mungallo> Gully: I can give it a shot.
[06:57] <Red_Herring> but im not sure if its 64
[06:58] <Red_Herring> !jre
[06:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !sunJRE
[06:59] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !java
[06:59] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !javadebs
[06:59] <Red_Herring> yeah...
[07:00] <Red_Herring> i think you use seveas for java 64bit
[07:00] <Mungallo> Gully, are you trying to install the whole sdk or just the JRE?
[07:00] <Red_Herring> it *shouldnt* matter
[07:00] <Red_Herring> they have the same install method
[07:00] <Mungallo> I'm just trying to figure out which file to dl
[07:01] <Mungallo> ;)
[07:01] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[07:01] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:01] <Red_Herring> ^ thats always good
[07:02] <Red_Herring> /sighs
[07:06] <GullyFoyle> how do i check whether ihave the multiverse repo available?
[07:07] <ilba7r> GullyFoyle, sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:07] <Red_Herring> uhh
[07:07] <Red_Herring> well
[07:07] <ilba7r> see if it is there or comented or not
[07:07] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:07] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:07] <Red_Herring> what packages are in the restricted?
[07:07] <Red_Herring> multiverse
[07:08] <ilba7r> !tell GullyFoyle about easysource
[07:08] <Red_Herring> is easyubuntu FINALLY out yet?
[07:09] <ilba7r> !tell Red_Herring about packages
[07:09] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[07:09] <Red_Herring> i know what packages are
[07:09] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, the link will give the pckage list
[07:09] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:10] <Red_Herring> i thought you were giving me an inro to packages
[07:10] <Red_Herring> sorry
[07:10] <ilba7r> or a link to it let me check if i bookmarked it
[07:11] <Mungallo> jre installed fine
[07:11] <Red_Herring> for 64 bit?
[07:11] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, if you have all the repos just use adept to browse them
[07:12] <Mungallo> yep.
[07:12] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: i personally hate adept, i use synaptic
[07:12] <ilba7r> cool
[07:12] <Red_Herring> eh, they both have thier ups and downs
[07:12] <Red_Herring> adept has more potential
[07:13] <Red_Herring> kynaptic sucks
[07:13] <Red_Herring> and synaptic is THE MOST functional
[07:13] <Red_Herring> and easyest to use BY FAR
[07:13] <Red_Herring> Mungallo: you use seveas repos?
[07:14] <Mungallo> no, java.sun.com
[07:14] <Red_Herring> oh
[07:14] <Red_Herring> well
[07:14] <Red_Herring> i did that
[07:14] <Red_Herring> and then found out that seveas has ALL that
[07:15] <shreevatsa> Names of java apps don't appear in the taskbar
[07:15] <Mungallo> oh, well, I just did the sun install and it work ed fine.
[07:16] <shreevatsa> On Gnome, I see a blank thing in the taskbar, and on KDE, I see something like "com-sun-javaws..."
[07:16] <Red_Herring> shreevatsa: really? i NEVER had that problem
[07:16] <Mungallo> shreevasta: that needs to be coded into the app.
[07:16] <Red_Herring> shreevatsa: are you using blackdown?
[07:17] <shreevatsa> But the apps do display their names on other computers (on Windows and Debian machines I've used elsewhere)
[07:17] <shreevatsa> No, Sun java
[07:17] <Red_Herring> hmm
[07:17] <Red_Herring> is this your program?
[07:17] <shreevatsa> No
[07:17] <Red_Herring> or azures/limewire
[07:17] <shreevatsa> Limewire, for example
[07:18] <Red_Herring> well
[07:18] <Red_Herring> when i close it out
[07:18] <Red_Herring> i get teh same thing
[07:19] <shreevatsa> funny, azureus works
[07:19] <shreevatsa> but LimeWire doesn't, and neither do some other applets
[07:19] <Red_Herring> well, like i said, when i close it to the taskbar, i get that error
[07:19] <shreevatsa> For LimeWire, I see "Com-limegroup-gnutella-gui-Main"
[07:20] <shreevatsa> So, is there a fix?
[07:20] <shreevatsa> I see it all the time
[07:20] <Red_Herring> but that seems like a minor flaw, and since i am just starting java programming...
[07:20] <Red_Herring> i dont know a fix
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be the program
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be the runtime envornment
[07:20] <Red_Herring> it may be kde
[07:21] <Red_Herring> i got a real quesiton thats on topic:
[07:21] <Red_Herring> i have a mac
[07:21] <Red_Herring> an imac, 700mhz
[07:21] <Red_Herring> green
[07:22] <Red_Herring> but the odd part is the harddrive is SCSI slot, but it connects to an ide slot at the mobo
[07:22] <Red_Herring> (typical apple config)
[07:22] <Red_Herring> and ubuntu donesnt know which one it is
[07:22] <Red_Herring> any fixes?
[07:23] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, try those questions in ubuntu channels
[07:23] <ilba7r> many of apple users are there
[07:25] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: wow, kopete nearly freezes up when i go there
[07:25] <ilba7r> mmm am using xchat here
[07:25] <Red_Herring> eh
[07:25] <Red_Herring> i like all my accounds under 1 program
[07:25] <ilba7r> running ion3 for i think kde and gnome are bloated :)
[07:25] <Red_Herring> too much for me to think about
[07:27] <howcomes> How can i make my NTFS Partition writeable from within linux ?
[07:28] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[07:28] <Red_Herring> go to m$
[07:28] <ilba7r> !ntfs
[07:28] <ubotu> it has been said that ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[07:28] <Red_Herring> ask them for the NTFS souce code
[07:28] <howcomes> this is what my fstab looks like
[07:28] <Red_Herring> pay 10000
[07:28] <howcomes> /dev/hda2       /C              ntfs    ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000        0       0
[07:28] <Red_Herring> and then write a program to do it
[07:28] <ilba7r> howcomes but writing to ntfs is risky and not recommended
[07:28] <Red_Herring> howcomes: you cant write to it without risking serous damanges to teh partition
[07:29] <howcomes> damn , Thats means this Pink Floyd discography will be forever stuck on this ext3 partition
[07:29] <Red_Herring> so?
[07:29] <ilba7r> howcomes, on the other hand you can read a linux partition from window :)
[07:29] <Red_Herring> kudos, i <3 pink floyd
[07:30] <howcomes> :P
[07:30] <Red_Herring> !ext3ifs
[07:30] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[07:30] <ilba7r> !ext2fs
[07:30] <ubotu> ilba7r: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:30] <Red_Herring> !google ext2fs
[07:30] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:30] <Red_Herring> well, anyway, thats what its called
[07:30] <howcomes> There's a torrent up - with this - ill pm you
[07:30] <ilba7r> howcomes, yah google ext2fs
[07:31] <howcomes> ext2fs ?
[07:32] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i was sooooooooooooo mad, David gilmore is gonna play at the rosemont arena, 20 min away from me...
[07:32] <howcomes> I dont know why i choose ext3 , seemed like a good idea at the time
[07:32] <Red_Herring> but its sold out :-(
[07:32] <Red_Herring> howcomes: its a very good choice
[07:32] <ilba7r> howcomes, yah there are drivers to read linux ext2 and ext3 from ntfs window
[07:33] <ilba7r> howcomes, http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ext2.html
[07:33] <howcomes> via Cygwin ?
[07:33] <ilba7r> no
[07:33] <Red_Herring> howcomes: its a windows driver
[07:34] <ilba7r> it is just reading the file system you do not need cygwin for that
[07:34] <Red_Herring> just how there is a driver in windows for NTFS, theres now one for ext3
[07:34] <howcomes> k
[07:34] <howcomes> and using that i can copy to my windows partition ?
[07:34] <ilba7r> yap
[07:34] <Red_Herring> under windows you can
[07:34] <Red_Herring> not under linux
[07:35] <howcomes> k
[07:35] <howcomes> furthermore, is there a good way to take free space from one partition and slap it onto the end of my linux partiton
[07:37] <ilba7r> howcomes, doing that is always risky under window partition magic. linux qtparted
[07:37] <Red_Herring> howcomes: uhhh, not sure, try qtparted
[07:37] <howcomes> qtparted ok
[07:37] <Red_Herring> but the problem is, if the ext3 partition is his root partiton...
[07:37] <howcomes> I've got one drive, split up at 70/10GB for NTFS/EXT3
[07:37] <Red_Herring> you need to use windows/a livecd if ya wanna change around the linux partitioin
[07:37] <Red_Herring> and vise versa
[07:38] <howcomes> hmm
[07:38] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i got 160 for ntfs/fat, and 120 for EXT3
[07:38] <howcomes> i can use fdisk to set the bootable flag to my NTFS partition
[07:38] <howcomes> boot the Kubuntu cd in rescue mode
[07:38] <howcomes> *Ubuntu
[07:38] <Red_Herring> i hafta say when i scrub the 160 one clean, its having 10gb ntfs, the rest will all be ext3
[07:39] <Red_Herring> is qtparted on the livecd?
[07:39] <howcomes> yea, well a few weeks ago i was really proficient enough in linux to use it as a desktop (This is my first Debian based distro, was using Slackware 10.2 before this)
[07:39] <howcomes> and im not sure
[07:39] <Red_Herring> wow, its 12:39 over here
[07:39] <Red_Herring> how is slackware?
[07:39] <howcomes> its good-ish
[07:40] <Red_Herring> ish?
[07:40] <howcomes> Well i couldnt get 3d Acceleration on it
[07:40] <howcomes> but other then that its very usable
[07:40] <Red_Herring> huh
[07:40] <Red_Herring> what graphics card?
[07:40] <howcomes> ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[07:41] <Red_Herring> ok
[07:41] <Red_Herring> well
[07:41] <Red_Herring> thats not slackware, thats ATI
[07:41] <howcomes> i know
[07:41] <howcomes> ATi sucks hardcore monkey choda
[07:41] <ilba7r> howcomes, did you use fglrx
[07:41] <Red_Herring> good way of putting it
[07:41] <howcomes> yes i did liba7r
[07:41] <howcomes> i got it working now under Kubutu, a format and a clean install later
[07:41] <ilba7r> nice
[07:42] <howcomes> now i got ET, ETF, TCE and ut2003 demo installed :P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> very nice
[07:42] <howcomes> i like that TCE , replaces that counter-strike addiction i used to have :P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> howcomes: oh yeah! well i have doom 3, quake 4, ut2004, quake3arena, et, AND aa installed :-P
[07:42] <Red_Herring> whats TCE?
[07:43] <howcomes> i didnt like aa , but i might try it again
[07:43] <Red_Herring> howcomes: niether do i
[07:43] <Red_Herring> but it made my list longer ;-)
[07:43] <howcomes> I had doom 3, but my ATi Radeon just goes DURRRR with Doom 3 and Q4
[07:43] <Red_Herring> yup
[07:43] <Red_Herring> i got a 6600GT
[07:43] <Red_Herring> i can play quake 4
[07:43] <howcomes> I've got a nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000 as well
[07:43] <howcomes> but my roomate is using it
[07:43] <Red_Herring> high settings
[07:43] <Red_Herring> at 1600x1200
[07:43] <Red_Herring> NO LAG!
[07:44] <Red_Herring> with a 6600gt!
[07:44] <Red_Herring> because nvidia has AMAZING openGL support
[07:44] <howcomes> Which card do you think is better
[07:44] <Red_Herring> howcomes: i would consider "borrowing" his
[07:44] <Red_Herring> just consider it
[07:45] <howcomes> ATi Radeon 9200 SE 128mb or nVidia GeForce 4 MX 4000
[07:45] <howcomes> both 128mb
[07:45] <Red_Herring> i would say they both are eqally bad
[07:45] <howcomes> heh
[07:45] <Red_Herring> but since one is NVIDIA
[07:45] <Red_Herring> i would go with teh nvidia
[07:45] <Red_Herring> it *is* a geforce 4
[07:45] <howcomes> well i had problems with nVidia and getting Gamma correction working under windows
[07:45] <Red_Herring> well... i doubt its a problem under linux
[07:46] <howcomes> Its a Geforce 2 with 128mb of memory technically
[07:46] <howcomes> from what i hear :P
[07:46] <Red_Herring> cuz nvidia is just cool like that
[07:46] <Red_Herring> well
[07:46] <Red_Herring> its well past midnight here
[07:46] <howcomes> 1:47am here :D
[07:46] <Red_Herring> and i got stuff i need ta do tomorrow
[07:46] <Red_Herring> east coast?
[07:47] <howcomes> Ontariao, Canada
[07:47] <howcomes> *Ontario
[07:47] <Red_Herring> nice place
[07:47] <Red_Herring> where in ontario?
[07:47] <ilba7r> howcomes, you are my neighboor than
[07:47] <howcomes> GTA
[07:47] <Red_Herring> ok... grand theft auto?
[07:47] <howcomes> Greater Toronto Area
[07:47] <Red_Herring> oooooo
[07:47] <Red_Herring> i was in toronto
[07:47] <Red_Herring> its a nice city
[07:48] <Red_Herring> with a big pointy tower
[07:48] <howcomes> i was actually gonna go to Toronto tonite, but im not too big on Jungle/DrumNBass so i passed :P
[07:48] <Red_Herring> if ya wanna get technical, i live in the GCA
[07:48] <howcomes> Greater California Area ?
[07:48] <Red_Herring> no
[07:48] <Red_Herring> chicago
[07:48] <howcomes> kewl
[07:48] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:48] <Red_Herring> its boring as hell out here
[07:49] <howcomes> likewise
[07:49] <Red_Herring> cant wait until i can get out of here
[07:49] <howcomes> likewise
[07:49] <howcomes> heh
[07:49] <Red_Herring> and man am i pissed at my freind right now
[07:49] <ilba7r> howcomes, but this is a really warm winter. can not believe we are in feb
[07:49] <howcomes> i gotta get my two diploma courses finished and then im planning on taking my CompTIA A+ Cert then MCSE possibly
[07:49] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: well... get used to it
[07:50] <ilba7r> global warm
[07:50] <howcomes> depending on how much linux grows on me in that time i might try to get a RHCE
[07:50] <Red_Herring> yup
[07:50] <Red_Herring> you can thank us
[07:50] <Red_Herring> in the good old us of A
[07:50] <Red_Herring> yell
[07:50] <Red_Herring> we caused it
[07:51] <Red_Herring> i disclude myself from this
[07:51] <Red_Herring> because im speaking in general of this country
[07:51] <Red_Herring> but its rediculous
[07:51] <Red_Herring> Fear and ignorance
[07:51] <Red_Herring> all around
[07:51] <howcomes> ooooh bush quote coming
[07:51] <Red_Herring>  its so rampant, it itself is scary
[07:51] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, divide and rule but this is for offtopic ;)
[07:51] <Red_Herring> no, no bush quote
[07:51] <howcomes> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
 This does not go to the gov. and your foreign pol
[07:53] <howcomes> but as for the citizens i dont mind them :P
[07:53] <Red_Herring> howcomes: fear and ignorance
[07:54] <Red_Herring> ilba7r: uhh, i think you would change your mind if you came here
[07:54] <Red_Herring> we are mindless!
[07:54] <Red_Herring> if the gov't says give us more money
[07:54] <Red_Herring> we blindly obey
[07:54] <Red_Herring> because of fear
[07:54] <ilba7r> i have a couple of american friends they are real ambasadors to your count
[07:54] <Red_Herring> and we dont know better
[07:54] <howcomes> "America is addicted to oil"
[07:54] <howcomes> WRONG Bush is addicted to oil :P
[07:54] <Red_Herring> no
[07:54] <Red_Herring> bush is addicted to money
[07:54] <Red_Herring> and he gets it with oil
[07:55] <Red_Herring> :-P
[07:55] <kkathman> I'd just like for someone to tell me an alternative :)
[07:55] <howcomes> and oil = a metric fuck ton of money :P
[07:55] <Red_Herring> kkathman: hydrogen fuel cells
[07:55] <Red_Herring> the problem is
[07:55] <kkathman> forget it..too expensive and unsafe
[07:55] <Red_Herring> no INNOVATION can happen until bush allows it
[07:55] <kkathman> wind - good but you need WAY to much land for even a modest dent
[07:55] <Red_Herring> because there is no NEED for people to switch
[07:55] <ilba7r> Red_Herring, they are leaning twoard neucl. can you believe how stupid that is
[07:56] <kkathman> solar...not even close...again lots of land and you cant manufacture the cells quick enough
[07:56] <Red_Herring> i have NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that if there was enough of a reward
[07:56] <Red_Herring> SOMEONE would come up with a new source
[07:56] <kkathman> so the only real alternative worldwide is oil :)
[07:56] <Red_Herring> and if there was MOTIVATION:
[07:56] <Red_Herring> people would refine techniques
[07:56] <kkathman> the best is fusion...and thats being researched the most
[07:57] <Red_Herring> so we could make then as efficient as oil
[07:57] <kkathman> currently underway at LLNL
[07:57] <Red_Herring> oooo, the new CERN atom smasher!
[07:57] <kkathman> no
[07:57] <Red_Herring> i really wonder what we will learn from it
[07:57] <Red_Herring> no
[07:57] <Red_Herring> that was random
[07:57] <Red_Herring> sorry
[07:57] <StR> does anyone have problems  geting files from MSN in kopete?
[07:57] <kkathman> the National Ignition Facility
[07:57] <Red_Herring> never heard of it
[07:58] <kkathman> I know it well :)
[07:58] <Red_Herring> there are some interesting breakthroughs in it
[07:58] <howcomes> StR try aMSN
[07:58] <Red_Herring> but i belive WITHOUT A DOUBT that if there was enough of a will, mankind would find a way
[07:58] <StR> howcomes: no... I like kopete...
[07:58] <kkathman> google it ..its not exactly covert...tho I think there are military uses :)
[07:58] <howcomes> k
[07:58] <howcomes> yea Kopete is faster
[07:59] <Red_Herring> Str: i like windows games...
[07:59] <howcomes> but i like aMSN's look/feel better
[07:59] <Red_Herring> but i haveta use windows to play them
[07:59] <andred> StR: files are 0 bytes?
[07:59] <StR> andred: right!
[07:59] <andred> this bug is known: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113525
[07:59] <StR> andred: do you have the same problem?
[08:00] <StR> andred: but not solved?
[08:00] <andred> i don't use msn :)
[08:00] <howcomes> StR make sure you chown the folder that is trying to be written to
[08:00] <andred> not solved yet :(
[08:00] <StR> andred:  :(
[08:00] <StR> do you have the same problem?
[08:01] <andred> no, i don't use msn
[08:01] <Red_Herring> kkathman: i dont know, its just bush is not at all pushing this kind of development, and insisting there is no problem, so no one is bothering to develop an alternate, because there is no funding for something that "has no point, because we already have solved the energy problem, with oil"
[08:01] <StR> andred: should anyone get the same problem in kopete?
[08:01] <Red_Herring> ya cant win
[08:01] <Red_Herring> allright
[08:01] <Red_Herring> its 1:00 here
[08:01] <Red_Herring> logical time to leave
[08:01] <kkathman> Red_Herring:  its easy to criticize and blame "the President"... thats kewl, but where's the alternative
[08:02] <Red_Herring> i just told you
[08:02] <andred> StR: the bug occurs if the other contact uses msn 7.5 IIRC. you can read more in the bug report
[08:02] <Red_Herring> (01:00:50 am) Red_Herring:  kkathman: i dont know, its just bush is not at all pushing this kind of development, and insisting there is no problem, so no one is bothering to develop an alternate, because there is no funding for something that "has no point, because we already have solved the energy problem, with oil"
[08:02] <kkathman> I dont see anyone making any reasonable ones
[08:02] <Red_Herring> exactly
[08:02] <Red_Herring> because no one will fund you for it
[08:02] <kkathman> I dont think the oil companies are gonna look hard :)
[08:02] <kkathman> hehe
[08:02] <Red_Herring> because no one sees it as a problem yet
[08:02] <howcomes> Whats a good Pink Floyd song other then Another Brick in the Wall - i wanna listen before this torrent is done - so im going to set it to Download First :P
[08:03] <Red_Herring> howcomes: money
[08:03] <Red_Herring> time
[08:03] <Red_Herring> sheep
[08:03] <Red_Herring> comfortably numb
[08:03] <ilba7r> kkathman, there was an mit prof who developed a hybrid car that run for 60 miles on elect. before switching to gas. no one looked into his work (1991) till toyota started the same line of work. This was from wsj
[08:03] <kkathman> sure I agree :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> brain damage
[08:03] <ilba7r> kkathman, let me check if i can relocate the article for you
[08:03] <kkathman> and yanno, GM and Ford are paying for it :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> howcomes: pigs
[08:03] <Red_Herring> fearless
[08:03] <kkathman> serves them right
[08:03] <howcomes> alrite , i got enough for now :P
[08:03] <kkathman> I got no problems with open market at all :)
[08:03] <Red_Herring> oh: wish you were here
[08:04] <Red_Herring> howcomes: those are the best of pink floyd
[08:04] <Red_Herring> and the funnyist, after you have heard all of that: bike
[08:04] <Red_Herring> allright, i REALLY should sleep now
[08:18] <cenobyte> i need help
[08:19] <cenobyte> how do i get kubuntu to recognize my primary slave hdd
[08:20] <howcomes> hmm
[08:20] <howcomes> are you in kubuntu right now ?
[08:20] <cenobyte> yes
[08:22] <howcomes> Are you dual booting windows ?
[08:22] <cenobyte> nope
[08:23] <howcomes> Is your Kubuntu drive set as Primary or Slave ?
[08:23] <cenobyte> it is set as primary
[08:23] <howcomes> is the Slave hdd on Cable select or actual Slave ?
[08:24] <cenobyte> its on actual slave
[08:24] <howcomes> hmm
[08:24] <howcomes> try putting it on Cable select and see if that makes any difference would be my first suggestion
[08:24] <cenobyte> ok any other suggestions
[08:24] <cenobyte> do i have to partition it
[08:25] <sampan> cenobyte do you mean you can't mount it? or it's really not detected at all?
[08:25] <howcomes> oh its not partitioned/formated yet ?
[08:25] <howcomes> well shit, run fdisk
[08:25] <cenobyte> well i partitioned it and it installed kubuntu on  it
[08:25] <cenobyte> can i partition it without installing kubuntu
[08:25] <howcomes> yes
[08:25] <howcomes> with fdisk
[08:26] <cenobyte> in command line right
[08:26] <howcomes> yes
[08:26] <howcomes> do you know which /dev/hdxx it is ?
[08:26] <cenobyte> ok ill try that then ill come back if i cant get it to work
[08:26] <howcomes> kk
[08:26] <cenobyte> its /dev/hdb
[08:26] <howcomes> well you can do it from console i would think
[08:26] <cenobyte> k thanks for the tips ill be back
[08:26] <howcomes> seeing as if its not partitioned correctly that you wouldnt be booted into it
[08:27] <howcomes> so you can run it under KDE i would think
[08:27] <cenobyte> k
[08:27] <cenobyte> ill be back soon
[08:27] <howcomes> kk
[08:30] <howcomes> http://www.bash.org/?610089
[08:32] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[08:32] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:33] <howcomes> http://www.bash.org/?608242
[08:35] <howcomes> http://www.logged.org/?1956
[08:36] <cenobyte> what do i do in fdisk
[08:36] <cenobyte> im not quiet sure how to format the slave
[08:37] <howcomes> ok
[08:38] <marten> I tried wpasupplicant. but had no luck. Is it a Driver problem I have to solve? How can it be done? (WLAN with WPA on a Pro/Wireless 2200bg)
[08:38] <howcomes> sudo fdisk /dev/hdxx whatever yours is
[08:38] <cenobyte> ok
[08:38] <howcomes> then press n - and then i would assume p
[08:39] <cenobyte> ok
[08:40] <cenobyte> now what
[08:40] <cenobyte> 1-4
[08:40] <cenobyte> do i choose 1
[08:42] <cenobyte> Partition 1 is already defined.   (Slave)
[08:43] <cenobyte> the drive got partitioned when i tryed tryed partitioning it with the kubuntu install cd
[08:44] <howcomes> i see
[08:44] <cenobyte> yes
[08:44] <howcomes> in that case the partition should be already formatted and partitioned if you went thru with the install
[08:46] <cenobyte> but it is not showing up in kubuntu
[08:46] <cenobyte> i wanna dump all of my backed up music on the slave
[08:46] <howcomes> it sounds like it might just need to be mounted
[08:46] <cenobyte> how do i do that
[08:46] <howcomes> do this, go into fdisk again and press p to print your partition table (echo to screen)
[08:47] <howcomes> put that at pastebin.com - followed by the output of a cat /etc/fstab
[08:47] <howcomes> i should be able to help you better if i have that
[08:47] <cenobyte> k
[08:47] <cenobyte> Disk /dev/hdb: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>4 bytes
[08:47] <cenobyte> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4866 cylinders
[08:47] <cenobyte> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[08:47] <cenobyte>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:47] <cenobyte> /dev/hdb1               1        4866    39086113+  83  Linux
[08:48] <howcomes> WWW.PASTEBIN.COM
[08:48] <cenobyte> oops
[08:48] <cenobyte> k
[08:49] <howcomes> now paste the URL here
[08:49] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538133
[08:50] <howcomes> thats not all of it :P
[08:50] <cenobyte> thats what i pasted
[08:50] <howcomes> do a cat /etc/fstab and put that at pastebin as well
[08:50] <cenobyte> thats what came up after i pressed p
[08:51] <howcomes> k try this
[08:51] <howcomes> mount /dev/hdb1
[08:52] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538137
[08:52] <cenobyte> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[08:52] <howcomes> hmmmm
[08:54] <howcomes> mount -t etx3 /dev/hdb1 /NEW
[08:54] <howcomes> err
[08:54] <howcomes> mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /NEW
[08:55] <cenobyte> http://pastebin.com/538139
[08:57] <cenobyte> what now
[08:58] <howcomes> did it work ?
[08:58] <cenobyte> no
[08:58] <howcomes> (A)bort, (R)etry, (B)eer
[08:59] <cenobyte> ?
[09:00] <cenobyte> mount: mount point /NEW does not exist
[09:00] <howcomes> hmm
[09:01] <howcomes> look at this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120324&highlight=mount+slave
[09:01] <owner> ?
[09:01] <howcomes> owner, im trying to help cenobyte partition/mount his slave hdd
[09:01] <owner> cool
[09:01] <howcomes> im not being very successful
[09:01] <howcomes> it appears as if the drive is partitioned but not mounted
[09:02] <cenobyte> i think so
[09:02] <EIghtiesK> why does my kubuntu have errors on the partition everytime i restart.?
[09:02] <howcomes> Elghtiesk , did you run fsck ?
[09:02] <EIghtiesK> run what?
[09:03] <owner> eighties are you using ext3 or reiserfs
[09:03] <EIghtiesK> ext2
[09:03] <[Vampis] > Morning ppl :)
[09:04] <EIghtiesK> owner: ext2 is supported by windows. so i can veiw my partiton and write to it within windows.
[09:04] <howcomes> cenobyte a better thread perhaps -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=119351&highlight=mount+slave
[09:04] <owner> oh yea
[09:04] <owner> thats right
[09:05] <EIghtiesK> ??
[09:05] <howcomes> cenobyte i think that last thread will solve your problem
[09:06] <EIghtiesK> owner: how are you?
[09:07] <owner> im good and you?
[09:07] <cenobyte> nothing in that topic is helpful
[09:07] <howcomes> ceno did you check the last one i posted
[09:07] <EIghtiesK> owner: i think i may try out fedora core again.
[09:07] <owner> really y?
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> owner: kubuntu need a reinstall ne way and i might as well check out core4....
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i mess with my linux till i get them right
[09:08] <owner> ive heard good things about arch linux
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i wanna install debian and try but
[09:08] <EIghtiesK> i can't seem to get the install to work.
[09:09] <owner> yes its supposed to be harder
[09:09] <owner> the debian install
[09:09] <owner> is it debian stable?
[09:09] <EIghtiesK> ya
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> actually, I looked at the latest debian installation interface, its very similar to that of ubuntu/kubuntus
[09:09] <hatake_kakashi> s/kubuntus/kubuntu
[09:09] <owner> its older than ubuntu i think
[09:09] <owner> debian stable
[09:10] <owner> uses xfree86
[09:10] <robinl1> is kubuntu better than SuSe?
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> owner: you can get unstable packages, just that it is not recommended for servers
[09:10] <robinl1> i mean
[09:10] <robinl1> compared to suse, whats different?
[09:10] <EIghtiesK> robinl1: all opinion.