[05:16] <alkisg> marcopolo1: that's a link to a site, not to a screenshot
[05:20] <marcopolo1> alkisg: my bad
[05:21] <marcopolo1> https://ibb.co/f0pCPhL
[05:22] <alkisg> marcopolo1: you have a missing font; is that an application or a browser or does it run under wine?
[05:22] <marcopolo1> its microsoft teams as snap
[05:22] <alkisg> Ah, OK I don't care about snaps at all, sorry :)
[05:23] <marcopolo1> why not
[05:23] <alkisg> Because it'll die in a few years, I don't want to waste effort on it
[05:23] <alkisg> (personal opinion and all, etc etc )
[05:24] <marcopolo1> microsoft teams doesnt exist without snaps
[05:24] <marcopolo1> i guess there are flatpacks
[05:26] <alkisg> I only used teams once in Linux, the official PWA app worked for me: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-teams-blog/microsoft-teams-progressive-web-app-now-available-on-linux/ba-p/3669846?culture=en-us&country=us
[05:27] <marcopolo1> what is PWA?
[05:28] <marcopolo1> progressive web app
[05:28] <marcopolo1> but web apps are slow
[05:30] <alkisg> Eeh, I bet if you run ps when you run your snap app, you'll see chrome running in the behind; possibly via electron
[05:30] <alkisg> I.e. you're already running a web app
[05:34] <marcopolo1> So how do you download a PWA ? you just make a browser shortcut to the website?
[05:52] <alkisg> Yes
[05:53] <alkisg> if you open it with chrome, there should be an icon at the right side of the URL box
[05:53] <alkisg> "install app"
[05:53] <marcopolo1> currently using firefox
[05:53] <marcopolo1> is that why people have two browsers installed
[05:53] <marcopolo1> they use chrome for webapps because its faster
[05:54] <alkisg> No. But because some sites refuse to support firefox
[05:54] <alkisg> Teams doesn't support firefox, so you have to use chrome for it
[05:55]  * alkisg uploaded an image: (63KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/nSjlbEfoXVxOzfTdqxkrNfMP/image.png >
[05:56] <alkisg> Here's how teams looks for me after clicking on the "download pwa" button ^
[05:56] <alkisg> It also has its own taskbar entry etc
[11:13] <user|27> hi
[11:14] <user|27> anybody there?
[11:15] <diogenes_Vx15> !ask | user|27
[11:23] <user|27> so, i have two monitor and both of them are in good condition. i have just installed kubuntu and it is detecting  monitor one as 1024*768 pixels and other as 1920*1080 pixels. I just want to upscale monitor one, but there is no option. how can i do that?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:34] <alkisg> user|27: what's the output of this command? xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:35] <user|27> nc: port number invalid: 9999~
[12:37] <user|27> alkisg should i run this command in konsole?
[12:37] <alkisg> user|27: yes, open the konsol, ran all that command and then paste the output here
[12:38] <user|27> alkisg can you tell me exactly what to type?
[12:38] <alkisg> xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:38] <alkisg> Copy paste that ^
[12:40] <user|27> https://termbin.com/ynvlp
[12:40] <user|27> alkisg https://termbin.com/ynvlp
[12:41] <alkisg> user|27: OK, so you're using xorg, and monitor is connected via VGA. Is it using a direct VGA cable, or do you have some adapter?
[12:42] <user|27> alkisg i have an adapter.
[12:44] <alkisg> user|27: it's possible that the adapter is to blame. The quickest way forward would be to take and upload 3 photos.
[12:44] <alkisg> One that shows your video card outputs and the connected cables there,
[12:44] <alkisg> and one that shows the inputs of your monitors, so that we can see if they support VGA, HDMI etc
[12:47] <user|27> alkisg but the monitor connected with adapter is fine, monitor one(monitor with problem) is connected via main line.
[12:47] <alkisg> user|27: OK, that's why I asked if you're using an adapter for the VGA monitor
[12:48] <alkisg> user|27: send us these photos, and even better, the models of the monitors
[12:48] <alkisg> E.g. it might be an old monitor that doesn't support higher resolutions; or it might be a bad VGA cable; or it might be that the EDID monitor information is read wrong
[12:49] <user|27> alkisg sorry, i have something to do i will be back in a minit.
[12:50] <alkisg> 👍
[13:02] <user|27> alkisg so, you there?
[13:06] <user|27> alkisg  i am uploding some image
[13:25] <user|27> ok so i can't upload my image
[13:50] <user|27> alkisg  let me give you more info, i have two port connecting two monitor. both of the port connect to the pc motherbord. one adapter is DVI-D to VGA female and that adapter is connected via VGA to VGA wire with a monitor. but that monitor have no problem. other monitor is connected via VGA to VGA wire cable. I have problem with that monitor.  i
[13:50] <user|27> have used that monitor as primary monitor in windows. i had no isue. so now i can't go up to 1024*768 pixels. even though I used it in higher resolution.
 Yup! Indeed (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15_> Yash,a nd i'd suggest you go there with windows only starting up, otherwise they might claim something like warranty void.)
[14:41] <alkisg> user|27: where's the image?
[16:07] <user|27> alkisg sorry, ihave tried to upload photo here. But it is not uploding. https://file.io/oN15NTVKNnMv here is another link.
[16:17] <xrandr> Hi everyone
[16:19] <user|27> alkisg in photo you can see in the back of my pc there there is a VGA cable in top of the port, and it is connected to the motherbord . That is the cable connection of problem monitor. On the other photo there is two monitor, the monitor in left is the monitor that is problem.
[16:26] <user|66> im new in all of this, i have an old laptop with windows 7 (32 bits). I see that there arent any 32 bit version of kubuntu available for download. if I download the 64 bit version, would it work?
[16:33] <user|27> alkisg here are some aditional photo. https://file.io/gZuv6lL8i3qJ
 Please anyone best lightweight distro for an old pc
 Something customizable
 Any suggestions?
[18:27] <diogenes_Vx15> trevantee, antiX.
[19:07] <user|76> minimum requirements kubuntu 22
[19:25] <tomreyn> user|76: did you mean to type this into a web search? if not: this chat is not made from machines - try treating people as people.
[19:35] <oerheks> minimum requirements from commandline?
[20:55] <alkisg> user|27: I've seen that issue with certain VGA cables. Try to change the VGA cable. Or to change which monitor connects to which port. If all fails, then you can force a certain mode, but it's too late now, more on that tomorrow...
[23:53] <keithzg[m]> No big deal for me since I kinda dislike Snaps anyways but I guess on my main computer I now can't use Snaps even if I wanted to, heh. Since the upgrade to 23.04, the apparmor service won't start on boot, and since it has an infinite timeout that means I cannot boot with it installed, and it's a requirement for snapd so goodbye snapd too!


[02:27] <bil21al> any body have a look on this empathy bug.kanvendine and cassidy is not avaiable so  i am giving here bec i dont know any body else developer. any of you lead it the right way it to much dups and more people are affected by it and me also
[02:27] <bil21al> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/902430
[02:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 902430 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "empathy crashed with SIGSEGV in child_setup() (affects: 18) (dups: 17) (heat: 161)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:33] <trinikrono> this is precise bil21al ?
[02:33] <trinikrono> i mean if this is in precise
[11:35] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/citadel/+bug/911732 can someone please mark this as high?
[11:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 911732 in citadel (Ubuntu) "[12.04] citadel-server is producing errors every second in syslog (DB: not a restored transaction DB: PANIC: Invalid argument citadel: bdb(): PANIC: Invalid argument citadel: bdb(): txn_commit: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recover) (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:39] <iceroot> affecting multiple users, because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quilt/+bug/911631 its pulled automaticly and there is something wrong with the default config of citadel-server. its also poducing a high load on the system, so my definition is high (to be honest my definition is critical)
[11:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 911631 in quilt (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "quilt is pulling citadel (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,Fix committed]
[11:42] <iceroot> hm maybe because its 12.04 its not critical but should get some views. also i dont find the ubuntu-maintainer in the package-details so i dont know what person to put on cc
[11:43] <iceroot> ah its universe, so ubuntu-sponsors should be on cc
[13:20] <om26er_> which team have the authoritiy to open release specific bug tasks?
[13:20] <om26er_> how could i be one of them?
[13:42] <stgraber> om26er_: IIRC that's restriced to the project drivers (release team + technical board) and these who have upload rights to the package (or to the component)
[14:39] <rbasak> I wrote a bug pattern and filed a merge request for ~ubuntu-bugcontrol. Is this the right place?
[16:05] <hggdh> rbasak: yes, we will get there ASAP
[16:05] <rbasak> thanks hggdh!
[18:31] <bil21al> bdmurray: in bug control application can i give more than 5 bugs links?
[18:34] <bdmurray> bil21al: sure if you think they are your very best work and represent different kinds of work
[18:36] <bil21al> bdmurray: as you already know i was more  involved in empathy i have  more empathy bugs but also have software center and libre office  so thats why i was asking  to attach them also ?
[18:38] <bdmurray> bil21al: the point is to demonstrate different kinds of work or situations.  For example here is a bug I forwarded upstream, or here I helped a bug reporter gather detailed information etc....  They don't need to be about different packages.
[18:39] <bil21al> ok i understand
[18:40] <hjd> hm... anyone has any suggestions for how to follow up bug 848607?
[18:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 848607 in terminal (Ubuntu) "unable to complete installation of audacity or amarok due to inability to type password when prompted in terminal (affects: 1) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848607
[18:43] <bdmurray> hjd: I'd explain how to perform the same steps using a gui and see if that resolves the issue.
[18:51] <hjd> bdmurray: thanks, didn't think of that. Would a link to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/how-to-add-a-ppa-to-software-sources-in-ubuntu/ plus a short description suffice?
[18:56] <bdmurray> hjd: Yes, I think so.
[19:34] <hjd> bdmurray: added a comment now. Thanks again :)
[19:37] <bdmurray> hjd: thank you for helping out!
[19:42] <hjd> Here's another thing which puzzles me: at a glance bug 898380 looks like a duplicate of bug 772076, it's a bit more complicated. Apparently, on Natty one issue keeps it from starting, however on Oneiric it's two issues. So even if the first issue was fixed, the second one would still affect oneiric.
[19:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 898380 in giver (Ubuntu) "giver don't start on 11.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/898380
[19:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 772076 in giver (Ubuntu) "Giver does not start (affects: 17) (dups: 3) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772076
[19:50] <micahg> hjd: so, I'd suggest clarifying the bugs so that each one addresses a single issue
[20:14] <hjd> micahg: ok. I added comments and edited the titles to easier tell them apart.


[00:29] <lesbraz> "<minimal> so Hetzner and OVH appear to allocate /32 addresses" → I work for OVH, that's the reason I'd like to see this implemented :); although my findings were related to bare metal, it's cool if it also helps with VPS
[00:33] <sbraz> holmanb, falcojr: "in that case you probably don't want your metadata hardcoded to a specific implementation" → exactly, we use the same config for all Linux distros for now; we'll add an exception for Ubuntu where we will add a route to gw/128 via :: to be able to reach it, kinda like NetworkManager does (until the bug is fixed)
[00:36] <sbraz> waldi: "you can add the flag without adverse effects even if it is not strictly needed" → yeah i'm not against doing this option either since ifupdown does it; i wasn't aware of ifupdown-ng though and i haven't yet checked if ifupdown2 works properly with these gateways (we'd need it for Proxmox 7)
[00:54] <minimal> sbraz: interesting, I talked to a couple of people recently using cloud-init with OVH, one with Bare Metal "Cloud" and the other with the usual OVH Cloud - in one case Openstack ConfigDrive2 was used as the DataSource and in the other case the Openstack metadata server ("OpenStack DS"). In the ConfigDrive situation the presented network config was a bit "nuts"  - there was a /32, a /33, a /34, a /35 through to /128 routes defined (from memory)
[00:57] <minimal> meena: no idea, I'm still seeing "AssertionError: Unexpectedly used subp.subp"
[00:58] <minimal> meena: perhaps I should change the "cloudinit.distros.networking.subp.subp" to something else like "cloudinit.distros.subp.subp"?
[03:04] <minimal> holmanb: I tested a modified ifupdown-ng with /32 IPv4 and /128 IPv6 on Alpine and it works fine (apart from issue I've already experienced with using "routes" instead of gateway4/gateway6 for /e/n/i)
[03:05] <minimal> I'll aim to raise an upstream PR for ifupdown-ng to add the change and also to get it applied to alpine's package (assuming upstream doesn't do a release)
[03:24] <holmanb> minimal: nice work, let me know how it goes
[03:27] <holmanb> Also if you'd like a review on the PR give a shout
[04:05] <minimal> holmanb: the routes vs gateway4/gateway issue is a difference in the resultant /e/n/i files generated and some concerns around that - but I've got too many c-i related things in play currently to look into that yet
[12:35] <sbraz> is there a bot to leave notes here? i'd like to leave a note for minimal
[12:39] <aciba> sbraz: Canonical exposes an IRC log here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/01/04/%23cloud-init.html
[12:39] <aciba> I am pretty sure he is aware of it
[12:40] <aciba> he / she *
[13:39] <meena> sbraz: minimal reads the logs after coming online
[13:39] <meena> aciba: if you don't know, you can always say "they" in English ;)
[13:51] <aciba> thanks meena
[14:41] <sbraz> meena: thanks, so, minimal, when you join, i'm not very familiar with all the openstack infra but yeah they do use the openstack datasource; for bare metal, we do use a configdrive and we currently set the ipv6 to a /56 even though the actual subnet is /64, and we add routes via the gateway to everything that is part of the /56 but not the /64, hence the dozens of routes :/
[14:41] <sbraz> this is what i'm aiming to fix
[14:49] <meena> sbraz: which cloud is this?
[14:53] <sbraz> meena: i work for ovhcloud, was that your question?
[14:54] <meena> sbraz: yes
[17:14] <esv> hey folks, I am looking at the documentation for v21.4 on Merging User-Data sections and I am a bit confused how recurse-list is applied to dictionaries


[17:54] <bazhang> pikapi has been warned multiple times about the excessive chattiness
[17:54] <k1l> well, quiting and joining all the time doesnt make it better to communicate with him
 TJ-, so i will just format the whole drive as NTFS and install ubuntu on it?
[17:55] <bazhang> seems to be a bit trolly as well
[17:56] <k1l> iirc he is talking about a live usb setup.
[17:56] <bazhang> his reason was that ntfs is faster than ext4
[17:56] <Pici> err
[17:58] <bazhang> he also has this greetery type behavior/with certain nicks
[17:58] <Pici> hihihih
[17:59] <Pici> hi this is pici too
[17:59] <bazhang> I will refrain from single word ALL CAPS
[17:59] <bazhang> so as to prevent excess trauma
[18:10] <hggdh> you WILL?
[18:11] <bazhang> ouch!
[18:11] <bazhang> I will take this to the HAGUE!11
[18:11] <bazhang> feelers hurt here!
[18:11] <hggdh> I AM sorry. I think.
[18:12] <hggdh> nah, not really ;-)
[18:12] <bazhang> @random waaaahmbulance emacs HURD
[18:13] <bazhang> phew
[18:13] <hggdh> see, still all caps
[19:58] <Pici> oh deary
 i just installed 7.10, i go to install apache, and the repo... is gone?
[20:01] <genii> Yes, I've been trying not to laugh
[20:01] <Pici> I had to do a double take
[20:04] <hggdh> 7.10? Not a typo?
[20:04] <Pici> not a typo
[20:05] <hggdh> sigh.
[20:05] <Pici> seems he wants to recreate an old environment, I've given him a bunch of warnings about it
[20:05] <hggdh> well, he could try to reset the repositories to old-releases.u.c
[20:06] <Pici> yeah, thats what I suggested
[21:05] <k1l> uh, osx is now the same as ubuntu, too.
[21:06] <Pici> sure
[21:06] <k1l> i wonder where all the hate comes from if all seems to be based on ubuntu ;p
[21:07] <genii> I thought it was bases on BSD
[23:08] <k1l> 2015-10-24:03:47:24<           RudzZ > raspberian OS exactly
[23:09] <genii> Hm
[23:09] <k1l> sometimes dafty is not only a bad grumpy one.


[00:28] <Moonshiner24mUK> im now running windows 8. but it doesnt run civ 4 like i installed it to, and its a MS lock in, apple style
[00:30] <Unit193> So, is there something related to Xubuntu?
[00:31] <Moonshiner24mUK> ive done this cause the 3.5 kernal screwed ndiswrapper
[00:32] <Troy^> do any of you use any addons or extensions with xfce such as like a dock or something
[00:32] <Moonshiner24mUK> catastrophic system failiure after an upgrade to 12.10
[00:32] <Moonshiner24mUK> yes i do, i customized my panel
[00:33] <Unit193> Ah, that's still in alpha so may be more breakage.
[00:33] <Moonshiner24mUK> yep, besides i missed ableton live
[00:33] <B3rz3rk3r> hi guys, redshift crashes as soon as its opened. I tried to open it from the terminal to look for an error and got a load of nonsense back. Put that into google and cant find anything to fix this. Can anyone help?
[00:36] <Moonshiner24mUK> do you launch it as a sudo op?
[00:36] <B3rz3rk3r> no should i be?
[00:36] <Moonshiner24mUK> worth a try
[00:37] <Troy^> where is a good palce to find themes and extensions/addons for xfce?
[00:37] <B3rz3rk3r> nah same error
[00:37] <Moonshiner24mUK> i think it would adjust the xorg stuff. xorg needs superuser do privalidges
[00:37] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, the error is: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_instance_get_private: assertion `instance != NULL && instance->g_class != NULL' failed
[00:38] <B3rz3rk3r> it looks like its trying to call a library and not finding it?
[00:39] <B3rz3rk3r> Troy^, try http://xfce-look.org/
[00:39] <Moonshiner24mUK> apt-cache search glib
[00:40] <Moonshiner24mUK> download corrasponding lib
[00:40] <Moonshiner24mUK> guess is libglib or something
[00:41] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah that narrows it down a bit
[00:41] <B3rz3rk3r> libglib2.0 sounds promising
[00:41] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libglib2.0
[00:42] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah, already installed :/
[00:42] <David-A> Troy^: yes xfce-look.org (by the way if you didn't know, there is a search engine called google, that returns this site as first hit when asked: xfce themes)
[00:43] <B3rz3rk3r> no way David-A ! you use Google too? That's how I found it! :p
[00:43] <Troy^> i was looking to see if there was other ones that werent as obvious
[00:43] <Troy^> :S
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> Troy^, i heard you can grab the new greybird theme from 12.10 if you add the repo
[00:44] <Troy^> http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> think i saw it on /r/linux earlier
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah thats the one
[00:45] <Troy^> it looks very slick
[00:46] <Troy^> lots of these themes are ugly lol
[00:46] <Moonshiner24mUK> B3rz3rk3r: before i pass out on the keyboard, could you check if the redshift dependacies are filled?
[00:46] <Troy^> also how do the themes work gtk2.x? or strictly xfce? or do they both work
[00:47] <Moonshiner24mUK> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/redshift
[00:47] <Moonshiner24mUK> B3rz3rk3r:http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/redshift
[00:47] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, sorry, how do i do that? is there a terminal command?
[00:48] <B3rz3rk3r> or just check against that link u sent?
[00:49] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libc0.1 libc6 libx11-6 libxcb-randr0 libxcb1 libxxf86vm1
[00:50] <Moonshiner24mUK> do an aptget install using the list
[00:51] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, Package 'libc0.1' has no installation candidate.. so i guess that is the problem?
[00:52] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, However the following packages replace it: initscripts:i386 tzdata initscripts libc-bin:i386 libc-bin
[00:52] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libc0.1-udeb
[00:53] <B3rz3rk3r> couldnt find it still. shall i try install the replacements?
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> i think the deps are very specific
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc0.1
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> worth a try
[00:54] <Moonshiner24mUK> do both
[00:54] <B3rz3rk3r> ok, thanks for your help! :)
[00:54] <Moonshiner24mUK> *passes out on keyboard* oeorijghoewghgearguwuhegrhg
[00:54] <B3rz3rk3r> lol
[00:55] <Moonshiner24mUK> new channel up: #windows8
[00:55] <Moonshiner24mUK> nn
[00:55] <B3rz3rk3r> nn
[00:59] <Troy^> windows 8 ewwww
[01:00] <Troy^> the start menu is retarded
[01:01] <Troy^> would full switch to xubuntu then use windows 8...
[01:06] <David-A> Troy^: (offtopic) MS will fix it so most people will think it is not worse than 7, but then most people will think it isn't better either.
[01:45] <Murtaugh> On my floppy problem, it seems as though I have to make a directory for it to mount to, then manually mount it every time
[01:50] <Murtaugh> I think it may be showing up as /dev/fd0 since it isn't in sdb
[02:05] <B3rz3rk3r> Murtaugh, couldn't you just add it to fstab?
[02:05] <Murtaugh> it's not showing up via g-parted
[02:09] <B3rz3rk3r> something like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3687.html
[02:17] <Murtaugh> hmm...
[03:19] <cheryl> Hello
[04:58] <rhin0> got a serious problem with 12.04
[04:58] <rhin0> x2x doesn't work
[04:59] <rhin0> this is an absolute nightmare
[05:00] <rhin0> i'm downgrading
[05:00] <rhin0> can't use it.
[05:00] <rhin0> nobody helps
[05:00] <rhin0> will stick with 10.04
[05:00] <rhin0> have raised this in forum -- nobody is bothered
[05:00] <rhin0> won't bother either
[05:01] <rhin0> what a disgrace
[05:01] <rhin0> you work all your life helping people with software and get nothing in return
[05:07] <baizon> this is your thread ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1993268
[05:09] <baizon> rhin0: have you tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65852/cannot-login-to-my-user-account
[05:12] <rhin0> no
[05:12] <rhin0> whats this got to do with x2x
[05:12] <Unit193> Is that at all like synergy?  And I'd say it's not that people don't bother, ever think that many don't know?
[05:13] <baizon> saying "x2x doesnt work" is not very accurate
[05:13] <rhin0> it doesn't work
[05:13] <rhin0> the cursor is locked to the left column
[05:13] <rhin0> "doesn't work"
[05:14] <baizon> how do you connect? "ssh -X to_hostname /usr/X11R6/bin/x2x -west -to :0 &"
[05:15] <rhin0> ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-C "x2x -east -to :0"
[05:16] <rhin0> i can't believe nobody has asked this -- question on forum left http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1993268
[05:16] <rhin0> regarding problem
[05:16] <rhin0> june 1st --
[05:16] <rhin0> oesn't work 12.04 to 12.05
[05:16] <rhin0> 12.04 either
[05:16] <jyc> hello, I've installed xubuntu and I'm getting startup times much slower than ubuntu
[05:17] <jyc> is there some way to fix this?
[05:17] <baizon> rhin0: no error message?
[05:17] <rhin0> i'm downgrading - can't use it
[05:17] <rhin0> the cursor moves on the machine you x2x to but it's locked to left column
[05:17] <rhin0> no error message
[05:18] <baizon> jyc: use bootchart and check for any processes that need time, then remove or repalce them in the boot process
[05:20] <rhin0> im too exhaustred to continue with this today
[05:21] <rhin0> i'll just downgrade
[05:21] <baizon> rhin0: well, this software is 4 years old
[05:21] <rhin0> 12.04
[05:21] <rhin0> i'll stick with 10.04
[05:21] <baizon> why dont you try an alternative?
[05:22] <baizon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
[05:22] <baizon> like x2vnc
[05:22] <baizon> i mean x2x is pretty old
[05:22] <rhin0> works
[05:24] <baizon> ?
[05:26] <baizon> im using ssh with x forwarding and it works :)
[05:26] <rhin0> that allows you to control cursor on 1 machine from another?
[05:30] <jyc> how do I disable the dock that appears then disappears at the beginning of login?
[05:32] <baizon> rhin0: i dont know, never tried it :)
[05:33] <baizon> but vnc can do such thing
[05:33] <baizon> jyc: disable it in the startup process
[05:33] <jyc> baizon, I can't if I don't know the name
[05:33] <baizon> what dock is it?
[05:33] <baizon> is it a xfce panel?
[05:34] <jyc> I don't know, it disappears right after it shows up
[05:34] <jyc> also, the problem with installing bootchart is that it fixes the problem - after uninstalling it the slow startup appears again
[05:34] <baizon> jyc: well go with your mouse at the bottom of you screen please
[05:34] <jyc> there is nothing there
[05:34] <baizon> press with your mouse at the bottom of your screen
[05:35] <jyc> nothing appears
[05:35] <jyc> though the slow startup problem is more serious
[05:35] <baizon> jyc: ok, so right click on you panel
[05:35] <jyc> alright
[05:35] <baizon> and check if there are more then one panel there to choose
[05:35] <jyc> it appears now - thanks!
[05:35] <jyc> do you have any idea how to fix the slow bootup?
[05:36] <baizon> like i said
[05:36] <jyc> xubuntu slow startup
[05:36] <jyc> sorry, wrong window
[05:36] <baizon> check to boot process
[05:36] <jyc> was googling
[05:36] <jyc> baizon, after installing bootchart, the problem goes away
[05:36] <jyc> when I uninstall it, it comes back
[05:36] <jyc> so I can't see the problem using bootchart
[05:36] <baizon> do you have the boot msg or the fancy animation?
[05:37] <baizon> i mean boot logo
[05:37] <jyc> I have the window that says xubuntu as dots appear
[05:37] <baizon> disable it and watch the boot messages
[05:37] <baizon> and on what it stays for longer
[05:37] <jyc> I think the problem doesn't appear there, but when I log in
[05:37] <jyc> (that's what I meant - sorry if I wasn't clear)
[05:38] <baizon> ah you mean after logging in?
[05:39] <jyc> after entering the password and pressing enter, it takes a long time for the panels and icons to appear
[05:39] <baizon> a ok
[05:40] <baizon> well then check it by disabling the startup processes, and you can try to remove the content of the .cache directory
[05:41] <baizon> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences
[05:41] <baizon> there you have application autostart check it
[05:41] <jyc> ok, will try, thanks again
[05:42] <baizon> np
[08:18] <xubuntu803> te
[08:43] <xubuntu399> im getting a black screan after instalation of alternate xubuntu 12.04 in asus eee 701 4g netbook
[08:44] <xubuntu399> help meeeee
[08:47] <TheSheep> xubuntu399: try adding 'nomodeset' to kernel boot options
[08:48] <TheSheep> !boot
[10:41] <Qantourisc> Why doesn't dhclient detect a disconnected network cable ?
[10:41] <Qantourisc> (Not using gnome network-manager)
[10:42] <Qantourisc> hmmm ifplug
[11:12] <Smackintheface> I have the biggest hairiest ***** in all of the UK and I have grown my pubic hair down to my ankles. I tie my pubic hair with five goat bells that jingle jangle all day long. I LOVE coming the USA and giving all you Yanks the middle finger. Come lick me in my hairy places...I have fleas..:D
[11:35] <melodie_> hello
[12:01] <silverghost> guys this is ridiculous xubuntu is taking more memory than ubuntu
[12:02] <silverghost> xubuntu stock - 693 mb ubuntu -681 mb what is wron this is trock without no apps
[12:03] <TheSheep> silverghost: how are you measuring it?
[12:03] <silverghost> system monitor
[12:04] <TheSheep> which column?
[12:05] <silverghost> xubuntu 681 mb ubuntu of 2 gb xubuntu 693 mb of 2 gb wtf
[12:05] <silverghost> ubuntu 681 mb lol
[12:09] <TheSheep> glad I could help
[12:34] <silverarrow> does anyone know about the media player setup in xubuntu?
[12:40] <Qantourisc> Where is /etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant ?
[12:40] <silverarrow> lost at sea
[12:42] <Qantourisc> Ubuntu has to be the WORST distro i dealed with when it comes down to network configuration
[12:46] <tyche> Qantourisc: I disagree.  Windows 7 beats it.  I have no problem setting up any of the *buntus, simply because I'm hardwired to the router.  However, getting my WIFE'S machine on the net is a bear.
[12:47] <Qantourisc> tyche: i mean ubuntu uses gnome-network manager, but that doesn't work in all cases, and as a result, the debian-based network config has been neglected
[12:48] <tyche> Now, that's an interesting point.  I've run Ubuntu and I've run Debian, and I didn't notice a difference between them.
[12:48] <tyche> Gotta go.
[12:52] <Qantourisc> tyche: Got it working, hacked the wpa_supplicant into pre_up making it run always.
[13:18] <madrivereric> Hello --  I've installed Xubuntu 12.04, but I want to install an older version of myth (e.g. 0.23-0.24) so that I can update my old database.   Synaptic is only showing the latest version of myth.  I think I need to add an older repo so I can force an older version, but so far haven't had success in finding  it.  Can anyone assist?
[13:21] <melodie_> hi
[13:22] <melodie_> I tried to install Xubuntu precise from an iso image and could not succeed to boot. I have used a howto which was already a bit old, which might explain why I didn't succeed
[13:23] <melodie_> then I installed xubuntu to hard drive on one primary partition : /dev/sda3, and at the end I wanted to have grub installed to /dev/sda3 EBR (partition mbr), but it failed with error (not possible to know which error at that stage).
[13:24] <melodie_> I have fixed it by removing all grub2, installing Grub legacy and installed it by hand (had to find where the grub legacy files where located because they were not installed to /boot/grub)
[13:25] <genii-around> If you install grub to a partition like sda1 sda2 sda3 and so on instead of to just the drive itself ( like sda sdb sdc ) then you wipe out part of the partition information, etc.
[13:26] <melodie_> I wonder if this issue was seen and reported before, or if the problem comes from the distro being installed from a usb stick ? Does someone know if the case is just a random issue ? I have installed it to someone else's machine recently with the same stick, but on the sda MBR instead of the partition boot sector. Does that count when it comes to grub2 ?
[13:27] <melodie_> genii-around, I usually have one main boot loader and then chain the others from the first one, or add a boot entry in it for the newer install.
[13:27] <melodie_> " then you wipe out part of the partition information, etc." / what do you mean ?
[13:28] <melodie_> I have always done that with grub, but when it comes to grub2 I am still quite a newbie. Is it too big to fit in EBR ?
[13:29] <genii-around> melodie_: Chain-loading bootloaders works if the next bootloader is also on the MBR of an entire drive, like sdb for instance. But installing grub onto a specific partition of a device usually over-writes the partition information which tells what partition type it is, and does not make it bootable anyhow.
[13:31] <melodie_> genii-around, when it comes to grub, your information is wrong. If you tell me "grub2" then I can believe you as I don't have much practice with it. are you telling me this about Grub2 ? For what Grub legacy is concerned I have chained to primary and logical partitions many times and never met with an issue.
[13:32] <melodie_> on one hard drive only, or on two hard drives : many linux distros one beside others
[13:33] <melodie_> each could have it's own bootloader, and being started from the main grub, even with or without grub splash working, provided the GPU was ok for that.
[13:36] <melodie_> genii-around, ok, thanks anyhow.
[13:36] <melodie_> merci quand même.
[13:36] <melodie_> have to reboot, bye
[13:38] <genii-around> melodie_: Pointing the bootloader at a partition to begin booting works fine, installing the bootloader onto a partition does not. eg: grub-install  /dev/sda works but grub-install /dev/sda3 will mess up the partition info for sda3
[13:38] <genii-around> Bleh, left
[13:46] <madrivereric> I figured it out...  Have a good day all!
[15:28] <tech1> i have a script which chooses a random wallpaper. last night i ran it a few times until it picked a wallpaper i liked then turned my machine off.... this morning when i rebooted there was a different wallpaper than the last one when i last ran the script. it must be a glitch with how xfce "remembers" the last wallpaper right? unless xfce has some inbuilt ai which has decided to automatically run this random wallpaper scri
[15:28] <tech1> pt for me each time i log in.... but i doubt that...... the script is in bin -and i am sure/hope these scripts are not run each time i log in, or that would be bad seeing as i have scripts that should only be run at specific times
[15:30] <GridCube> tech1, it all depends on how you got the script and where you put it
[15:31] <GridCube> check your >configuration >Session and startup >>autolaunch of applications and >>Session tabs to see if they have the script added there
[15:31] <tech1> i put it in ~/bin and wrote it myself, it just gets input(1-9) then sets a wallpaper(1-9), or if you press 0 -it chooses a random number(1-9) before setting
[15:32] <GridCube> i know for a fact this is not a xubuntu default script so its all pretty much up to you
[15:32] <tech1> ok ill check. i definetly didnt add any scripts there so would be surprised if it did
[15:32] <tech1> is autolaunch > sessions where i can put scripts i want to run at login then?
[15:32] <GridCube> yes
[15:32] <tech1> i was looking for that before but could only find where to launch "apps" at login
[15:32] <tech1> cool
[15:33] <tech1> so scripts can be treated as apps? in that manner
[15:33] <GridCube> i dont thinks so
[15:33] <GridCube> it deppends on the script i guess
[15:34] <n2diy> I have  a computer that won't play youtube  or pandora radio. I got tired of messing with it, so this morning I formatted the partitions and installed Xu 10.04. Then I ran the updates, installed the restricted extras package and chkrootkit. That is all that has been done to the box, why won't it play youtube or pandora?
[15:35] <tech1> in settings > sessions and startup, thre are 2 tabs, (application autostart), and (session), i can put the scripts in the (application autostart) one?
[15:36] <GridCube> tech1, yes
[15:36] <tech1> cool  thanks
[15:36] <GridCube> the session one depends on what applications are open
[15:36] <tech1> i see
[15:37] <GridCube> n2diy, when you say "won't play" what do you mean?
[15:38] <GridCube> tech1, in any case we dont know how your script work, it might pretty much be that it is failing somewhere to save the picture you want to be the one you want as backdrop, again we dont know
[15:39] <n2diy> GridCube, I go to youtube, search for Cosmos, select episode one, click on episode one, and a blank screen comes up.
[15:39] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:40] <GridCube> n2diy, does this page says wich version of flash you are using? http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:41] <tech1> it always remembered the correct one after login correctly before i added the random number thing, it uses "xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path -s ~/Pictures/wallpapers/dark-city.jpg" to set wallpapers.... its probably because i ran the script multiple times very fast choosing random numbers... maybe it has a "save" cooldown time or something
[15:42] <n2diy> GridCube, no it doesn't it just tells me what versions are available.
[15:44] <GridCube> ok then you dont have flash installed
[15:44] <GridCube> recheck using sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:45] <n2diy> GridCube, flash installer has the same version number that is listed on the website.
[15:46] <GridCube> n2diy, are you sure that in that page there isnt a small box that says "Version information"?
[15:46] <Sysi> n2diy: check that you don't have gnash or swfdec installed
[15:47] <n2diy> GridCube, I don't see it, Sysi, ok.
[15:47] <GridCube> n2diy, do you have your correct video drivers? check using "gksu jockey-gtk" to see if there arent updates to you video card
[15:48] <n2diy> Sysi, they aren't installed, GridCube, checking.
[15:50] <Sysi> can you right click on where video should be and get flash settings?
[15:50] <GridCube> Sysi, he says that http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ doesnt tell him what flash version he is using
[15:51] <Sysi> n2diy: check that flash is enabled in firefox settings
[15:51] <n2diy> GridCube, the recommended driver is not activated! I guess I should activate it?
[15:51] <GridCube> :D sure!
[15:52] <n2diy> Cooking
[15:52] <GridCube> :)
[15:54] <n2diy> GridCube, "system error: install archives () failed." Do I need to activate some repos?
[15:54] <GridCube> D:
[15:54] <GridCube> n2diy, probably
[15:54] <Sysi> you need to update to 12.04 where jockey works..
[15:54] <GridCube> oooooooo
[15:54] <GridCube> ooooooooo
[15:55] <GridCube> you are using 10.04
[15:55] <GridCube> D:
[15:55] <Sysi> I had tons of problems with jockey on 10.04
[15:55] <GridCube> !support
[15:56] <n2diy> Sysi, well, this box is running Xu 12.04, so let me try it here.
[15:56] <GridCube> n2diy, you are probably also using a very old firefox version
[15:59] <n2diy> Sysi, ok, "gksu jockey-gtk" on this box returns no probriatry drivers in use, and doesn't recommend any changes. but this box has been polluted, so let me update the test, box to Xu 12.04, and pick up from there.
[16:03] <n2diy> GridCube, I ran all the updates, Firefox was ver 14.XX, but I install 12.04 now, so...
[16:03] <GridCube> :)
[16:03] <GridCube> thats probably for the better
[16:05] <n2diy> GridCube, well, everything was working fine with Xu 10.10, then I upgraded to 12.04, and that's when my problems started. But I reall would like to get 12.04 working.
[16:06] <Sysi> updates often cause problems
[16:06] <GridCube> clean installs are my choosen way
[16:06] <n2diy> Sysi, roger that! Ok, I'm partitioning now, reformatting everything.
[16:07] <SkippersBoss> GridCube, that is not always possible though
[16:07] <GridCube> it is if you take the precaution to have dedicated /home :D
[16:08] <n2diy> GridCube, yes /home has it's own partition, but it's empty any way.
[16:08] <GridCube> :)
[16:09] <n2diy> GridCube, done partitioning, install is cooking.
[16:10] <GridCube> :D good luck
[16:13] <n2diy> GridCube, Thank, after the install I'm going to install chkrootkit, and then the updates, that shouldn't interfere with anything?
[16:13] <GridCube> i dont know what chkrootkit is
[16:13] <GridCube> so i don know
[16:16] <n2diy> GridCube, it's a rootkit hunter/detector. Rootkits are one of the few ways of hacking a linux box.
[16:16] <GridCube> good to know
[16:17] <GridCube> it should not interfere
[16:18] <bhankins> aide
[16:22] <silverarrow> is anyone in xubuntu right now?
[16:23] <silverarrow> hi
[16:23] <GridCube> !hi
[16:25] <n2diy> 33%
[16:25] <silverarrow> what is default setup for media players in xubuntu?
[16:25] <SkippersBoss> euh setup ??
[16:26] <silverarrow> well, I mean for browser embedded play
[16:26] <silverarrow> totem is main player in ubuntu
[16:26] <SkippersBoss> That's a decent question
[16:26] <silverarrow> in lubuntu gnome mplayer with gecko media player
[16:27] <silverarrow> but I cannot find which setup xubuntu have
[16:27] <SkippersBoss> Grid can you assist ??
[16:27] <silverarrow> I suppose anyone booted in xubuntu can
[16:27] <SkippersBoss> I have vlc miself but that is NOT the default setup
[16:27] <silverarrow> I see
[16:28] <Sysi> default video player is parole, I don't know about browser, I have flash
[16:28] <n2diy> I have parole and rythmbox here on 12.04.
[16:29] <GridCube> the default video/mp3 player is parole
[16:29] <GridCube> the default music manager is gmb
[16:29] <GridCube> ergo gmusicbrowser
[16:29] <silverarrow> flash is the main problem
[16:29] <silverarrow> an powerpc
[16:29] <GridCube> the default pictures and i think that it manages some video aswel is gThumb
[16:29] <n2diy> ahh, flash.
[16:30] <n2diy> 51%
[16:30] <GridCube> silverarrow, you need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras to have flash support
[16:30] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:30] <silverarrow> I know, but for powerpc there is no flash really
[16:30] <silverarrow> maybe an old adobe flash might owrk
[16:30] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:31] <GridCube> i dont know
[16:31] <silverarrow> gnash works
[16:31] <silverarrow> but browser plugin package is broken
[16:31] <GridCube> if its for youtube videos you could try installing minitube
[16:31] <silverarrow> gnome  player and gecko should work on windows media player oriented sites, but geco is broken for ppc
[16:32] <GridCube> its a standalone program that plays youtube videos witouht flash
[16:32] <Sysi> I'd use vlc-mozilla and html5 when possible
[16:32] <silverarrow> I haven`t tried minitube, but so far gnome mplayer and flash video replacer works for youtube
[16:32] <silverarrow> html5 is so so, on this laptop
[16:33] <GridCube> you could also try the vlc plugin
[16:33] <silverarrow> I haven`t tried vlc in browser
[16:33] <silverarrow> I have vlc player though
[16:34] <silverarrow> I wish firefox would keep their flash video replacer, it works perfectly
[16:34] <xubuntu159> :)
[16:34] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install browser-vlc-plugin
[16:34] <silverarrow> thanks, I should try vlc plugin
[16:34] <GridCube> mmm browser-plugin-vlc
[16:36] <silverarrow> on the ubuntu forum someone bragged something awful about xubuntu on ibook G4
[16:36] <GridCube> you cant please everybody
[16:37] <silverarrow> well, at least two guys were every happy about xubuntu
[16:38] <silverarrow> iBook G4 has only 1.42GHz cpu and 512 ram
[16:38] <silverarrow> I have upped it to 1GB
[16:38] <silverarrow> not sure there is any advatage to more ram though
[16:39] <holstein> xubuntu is great... but it can be helpful to weed out the opinions.. if you are looking at those media players, they are not distro specific, and should be similar across the *buntus .. flash support would be the same
[16:39] <silverarrow> I am in lubuntu now
[16:39] <n2diy> is there any such thing as to much ram?
[16:39] <silverarrow> with the gecko gnome mplayer setup, which if fixed would be great
[16:39] <holstein> right.. but the flash support, VLC and all these other applications will be the same or quite similar in xubuntu or lubuntu or whatever
[16:40] <silverarrow> n2diy: not sure, but on this old thing would it improve anything?
[16:40] <SkippersBoss> n2diy, if your running a 32bit version ??
[16:40] <Sysi> 512 to 1024 sure should make a difference, 1 to 2 gb maybe not so much
[16:41] <silverarrow> they used to say not point in more than 3GB unless you have 64bit
[16:41] <silverarrow> sysi, are you sure
[16:41] <silverarrow> ?
[16:41] <silverarrow> I might get a 1GB card then
[16:41] <silverarrow> doesn`t cost much
[16:42] <silverarrow> with a bit of luck at least
[16:42] <Sysi> 512mb is quite little for modern OS and especially webbrowser, 1GB is enough for several browser tabs and some multitasking
[16:42] <drc> silverarrow: use something like htop or task manager to track your RAM usage for a day...then make a decision about how much you "need".
[16:43] <silverarrow> really old laptops can some times not push ram usage much more than 300MB
[16:43] <holstein> at some point, a 32bit system might not see the ram... but a PAE kernel can usually make 32bit systems use all the ram, though im not sure how that works on PPC hardware
[16:43] <silverarrow> ppc is weird
[16:43] <silverarrow> might work though
[16:43] <TheSheep> 32bit system should see up to 4GB ram
[16:43] <TheSheep> but not more
[16:43] <silverarrow> I see
[16:44] <TheSheep> at the same time
[16:44] <silverarrow> I can have max 8GB in  my HP cetrino laptop, with Core2Duo cpu
[16:48] <silverarrow> after installing linux on the iBook I got very focused on optimizing usage
[16:48] <silverarrow> I wanted it to be better than osx
[16:48] <n2diy> rebooting!
[16:49] <silverarrow> but really,it is much the same, but with more options for software
[16:49] <holstein> yeah? better is a matter of opionion though.. i would think it will always just be different.. osx will likely support the hardware best, at least certain versions
[16:50] <silverarrow> well, not noticeably at least
[16:50] <silverarrow> lubuntu boots fast, runs easy, not hard on specs
[16:50] <silverarrow> the main issues are the same, rather difficult with media streams in browser
[16:50] <silverarrow> some at least
[16:51] <silverarrow> if gecko could be fixed it would be better than osx
[16:51] <silverarrow> osx was the best when it was current version, but not anymore
[16:51] <holstein> sure, but again, thats a matter of opinion.. im sure if we focused on power management, we might have a different "best"
[16:51] <silverarrow> maybe
[16:52] <silverarrow> however lubuntu ppc does handle hardware well enough to not be a disadvatage compared to leopard
[16:54] <silverarrow> or the previous one to leopard
[16:55] <silverarrow> I like the ubuntu alternative
[16:55] <holstein> you cant compare ubuntu ppc and those version of OSX on that hardware though, since they are not supported on that hardware
[16:56] <Sysi> though neither are those OSX versions anymore
[16:57] <holstein> right.. those OSX version are not supported on that hardware any longer, so you cant compare them to ubuntu PPC on that hardware
[16:57] <n2diy> update manager is not an improvement in 12.04, the only way I can tell it is working is from watching the LEDs blink on the router.
[17:03] <silverarrow> holstein: true, the advantage of current ubuntus on ppc is because they are somewhat supported and kept up
[17:04] <silverarrow> it came with tiger
[17:04] <silverarrow> and upgraded to leopard fine
[17:27] <n2diy> so, how do I tell when update manager is finished if I have no progress bar or details screen? Top shows update manager is running, but it isn't doing much, 0.7% cpu.
[17:30] <n2diy> never mind, just got the system restart required notice.
[17:33] <n2diy> GridCube, still here? Have a virgin 12.04 install to play with.
[17:50] <n2diy> GridCube, still here? Have a virgin 12.04 install to play with. Installed the Nvidia driver without a problem. Going to load restricted extras with synaptic now.
[17:51] <GridCube> i am
[17:51] <GridCube> :D good luck!
[18:04] <n2diy> GridCube, rebooted, logging in, wow, the screen res. is "different" !
[18:05] <GridCube> :D
[18:06] <n2diy> GridCube, my max res is 640x4801?, but I deal with that later.
[18:06] <GridCube> i dont know
[18:06] <GridCube> that sound weird tho
[18:08] <n2diy> GridCube, there is another driver available, I'll try that one.
[18:08]  * genii-around ponders this 4:30 aspect ratio
[18:09] <n2diy> GridCube, should I remove the previous driver before installing the new one/
[18:10] <n2diy> I think so.
[18:11] <GridCube> genii-around, i think is a typo+1, 640x480 :P
[18:11] <GridCube> n2diy, yeah sure :) try them all
[18:12] <n2diy> GridCube, only have two choices, so...
[18:12] <GridCube> :P
[18:15] <bhankins> Did you have the nvidia splash screen?
[18:16] <bhankins> Your not in vesa?
[18:21] <n2diy> GridCube, sigh, still no youtube, pandora, and now my screen res. is messed up.
[18:21] <GridCube> n2diy, :(
[18:22] <GridCube> well then go to /etc/X11/
[18:22] <GridCube> and rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old and reboot
[18:22] <n2diy> thunar, or cli?
[18:22] <GridCube> that should restore your screens
[18:22] <GridCube> any that you feel confortable n2diy
[18:23] <n2diy> ~/etc/x11?
[18:23] <n2diy> never mind.
[18:28] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, res. is still afu., I "think" in need to remove that driver, rename, xorg.conf again, and reboot?
[18:28] <n2diy> in/I
[18:32] <n2diy> GridCube, xorg.conf wasn't recreated!?
[18:36] <n2diy> GridCube, screen res. back to normal, but still no xorg.conf!?
[18:37] <GridCube> n2diy, thats normal
[18:37] <GridCube> :D
[18:37] <GridCube> xorg.conf isnt really necesary anymore
[18:38] <GridCube> n2diy, still no flash?
[18:38] <n2diy> GridCube, roger that. yep, still no flash.
[18:39] <GridCube> try the firefox add-on called flash-aid
[18:39] <n2diy> ok.
[18:39] <GridCube> it installs flash and tune it to work with ubuntu
[18:39] <GridCube> if that doesnt work try gnash or other options,
[18:39] <GridCube> you could also try the browser-plugin-vlc
[18:40] <GridCube> other than those im pretty much out of ideas
[18:42] <n2diy> ok, I don't see flash-aid, but there are a number of helpers offered that I can try. And I'll try the above too if needed. Thanks for your help and time.
[18:43] <GridCube> n2diy, https://github.com/webgapps/flashaid
[18:43] <GridCube> ooo
[18:43] <GridCube> its gone D:
[18:52] <milne8204> I have a problem that I can not solve. I can not play videos in Internet because my shocable  flash player, any one could help???
[19:00] <TheSheep> !flash | milne8204
[19:05] <n2diy> GridCube, none of the add ons worked, so I installed gnash. Now both pandora and youtube are compliaining that I need the latest version of flash, and offer DL links.
[19:08] <n2diy> removed gnash, and trying browser-plugin-vlc
[19:14] <shpank> i think i've just created the loudest nettop on this planet
[19:16] <drc> but can you dance to it?
[19:16] <shpank> well
[19:17] <shpank> it's just the monotone buzzing of a 20W DC fan :)
[19:17] <drc> ah...trance music
[19:17] <shpank> my boss gave me an asus r3600 motherboard without the heatsinks
[19:17] <shpank> so i had to jury rig something to make this stuff work
[19:18] <shpank> now there are two small heatsinks on the cpu and the northbridge/gpu
[19:18] <shpank> and a big fan is blowing on them
[19:18] <shpank> and it's louder than the music
[19:20] <n2diy> GridCube, I just clicked on the install adobe flash link in pandora, and it offered to install an APT package for 10.04+. I clicked on DL, and it offered to install it with the software center app.! So that's cooking! Yesterday, I tried the same thing, but the software center wasn't offered, so I had no app. to install it with.
[19:21] <n2diy> So something we did today "awakened" the awareness of the software center!?
[19:22] <drc> skynet!
[19:23] <milne8204> !Gnash
[19:24] <marcpv> hi! anyone know how to change default folder in catfish?
[21:33] <GridCube> n2diy, :) is flash working?
[21:33] <n2diy> GridCube, nope.
[21:33] <GridCube> :(
[21:33] <GridCube> n2diy, have you tried minitube?
[21:34] <n2diy> Tried all your suggestions, but no luck with them. No I haven't, where might i find that?
[21:34] <GridCube> its a stand alone program to watch youtube without using flash
[21:35] <GridCube> get it by sudo apt-get install minitube
[21:35] <GridCube> or from the USC
[21:35] <n2diy> ok, here goes.
[21:37] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, got it.
[21:38] <GridCube> :) so?
[21:39] <GridCube> also n2diy try pianobar, its a stand alone pandora manager
[21:39] <TheMaster> Though what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[21:40] <GridCube> TheMaster, who you asking
[21:40] <n2diy> GridCube, Cosmos Ep.1 is loaded, but play is  ghosted out!
[21:40] <GridCube> (also TheDrums and TheMaster are in the same channel... spooky)
[21:40] <TheMaster> You are recommending pianobar which is a pandora client, but depending on the version, may not currently work.
[21:41] <n2diy> GridCube, I have to DL the episode to watch it, I'm guessing?
[21:41] <GridCube> TheMaster, i dont know i just found out it existed
[21:41] <TheMaster> GridCube: Cool, no problem.
[21:42] <n2diy> GridCube, the DL button doesn't do anything!
[21:42] <GridCube> n2diy, its pretty much like standard youtube
[21:42] <GridCube> plays while downloading
[21:44] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, let me kill it and see if there are any clues on the terminal?
[21:45] <n2diy> GridCube, tried to kill it, and it wanted to know if I wanted to cancel the DL, so I'll let it cook for a while.
[21:45] <GridCube> :)
[21:46] <GridCube> maybe your internets are really really slow
[21:47] <GridCube> oh! i never used that download button
[21:47] <n2diy> GridCube, 1.5meg down, I believe, but it worked ok before I upgraded to 12.04.
[21:47] <GridCube> :/
[21:48] <n2diy> In fact, I watched the first seven episodes of Cosmos.
[21:56] <n2diy> GridCube, still DLing, gotta walk the dog, back in 20.
[22:27] <n2diy> I'm back, no activity on the router, and no play button on minitube.
[22:29] <GridCube> n2diy, i never use the download button tho
[22:30] <GridCube> n2diy, you should probably check your video drivers again
[22:33] <GridCube> figure out why they dont work properly
[22:38] <n2diy> GridCube, roger that. But there are three boxes here, all not doing the same thing. I'm beginning to suspect router?
[22:41] <GridCube> n2diy, i honestly dont know
[22:43] <n2diy> GridCube, trying pianobar now.
[22:46] <n2diy> GridCube, trying pianobar/pandora gave me a login... network error: TLS failed.  I may have changed passwords on pandora and forgot which one I'm using, I hope.
[22:47] <TheMaster> n2diy: Type  apt-cache policy pianobar   real quick please?
[22:47] <GridCube> n2diy, synaptic says you also have pithos to try using pandora
[22:47] <TheMaster> Pithos is gui, pianobar is CLI.
[22:48] <GridCube> oh
[22:48] <GridCube> i have no idea :P
[22:48] <TheMaster> I'm just adding to your info, all good.
[22:49] <n2diy> TheMaster, roger that. Well I keep getting this TLS error, and I tried all my passwords.
[22:50] <TheMaster> n2diy: Sounds like an older version, pianobar is extreamly easy to compile if you want to use it. :)
[22:50] <TheMaster> Otherwise, pithos won't work either and you'll need to add his PPA to use it.
[22:50] <TheMaster> I personally like pianobar better, but the PPA route is a little easier.
[22:52] <GridCube> TheMaster, he's having huge problems with flash in his computer and he wants to use both those services (yt and pandora) so anything that makes them work should be fine :P
[22:52] <TheMaster> GridCube: Did you get him to purge flashplugin-installer and install adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo by chance?
[22:53] <n2diy> TheMaster, yes, did that through the ubuntu software center.
[22:54] <TheMaster> VLC can handle YouTube videos if you paste them in the network dialog, and pianobar/pithos could do pandora.
[22:55] <SkippersBoss> but what about those flash sites that HIDE the link
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> services like e.g. brightcove vls is useless
[22:56] <GridCube> minitube should work aswell
[22:56] <TheMaster> I'm under the impression he's just talking youtube from what he said, and the URL of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZzJELbFRI is acceptable in vlc.
[22:56] <GridCube> but im pretty sure most of his problems come because of faulty video drivers
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> aaa
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> ok
[22:56] <TheMaster> GridCube: Sure, however you'd like to go.
[22:57] <n2diy> at this point, I'm ready to change my password, and let somebody hack away at the box!
[22:57] <GridCube> because when he installed them his screens whent default to 640x480
[22:58] <GridCube> so i think theres something wrong there thats not letting n2diy progress
[22:58] <TheMaster> Used jockey to get 'em?  Harder card to deal with?
[22:58] <GridCube> TheMaster, :) yes, and i dont know
[22:58] <GridCube> ask him :D
[22:59] <n2diy> ask me what?h
[23:00] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200?
[23:00] <GridCube> :P what video card you have, and why it fails to load its drivers
[23:00] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200?
[23:00] <GridCube> do lspci | grep "VGA"
[23:01] <GridCube> that works too :)
[23:01] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200 rev a1
[23:06] <GridCube> mmmhm
[23:08] <TheMaster> n2diy: Have you checked "Additional Drivers" in the settings menu?
[23:09] <n2diy> No, just checked Xorg.0.log, and it looks like the the NOUVEAU driver is being loaded? I'll check settings now.
[23:11] <n2diy> TheMaster,  Addtional Settings offers the same two drivers GridCube and I tried earlier.
[23:13] <n2diy> TheMaster, GridCube and those drivers are; NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver version 173, and post-release updates version 173-updates.
[23:19] <GridCube> n2diy, they should work
[23:19] <GridCube> :/
[23:19] <n2diy> Ok :)
[23:21] <n2diy> which leads me to believe something else is at fault. Let me poke around in some more logs.
[23:26] <n2diy> the last entry in dmesg.0 refers to the NVIDIA UNIX kernel Modue 173.14.35  as loading, no errors.
[23:29] <n2diy> however, dmesg shows the nouveau driver loading ok.
[23:32] <n2diy> GridCube, TheMaster, the last entry in jockey.log is "shutting down"!
[23:38] <mk_> Hello folks - I just started having a problem logging into my xubuntu laptop after a forced powerdown.  Logging in as a second user on the laptop works fine, but my old user can't get past the ubuntu login screen.  Wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot.
[23:40] <mk_> I can log in as a second user and even su to the main user, but can't get main login screen to let me in.
[23:40] <mk_> what stuff might be corrupted on the main user?
[23:40] <mk_> I'm on 12.04


[01:56] <spec4d> Is anyone else blocked from logging in to launchpad because it doesn't recognize your e-mail address even though it is already tied to your account
[01:56] <spec4d> ???
[01:58] <tarpman> spec4d: hasn't happened to me. you might get better results asking in #launchpad
[01:59] <spec4d> Thanks. I'll try that.
[18:04] <Janusz> Hello. When I play a WideLands for a while, then Ubuntu log-in screen appears and I can do nothing - I'm not able to write my password, and only hardware reset helps.
[18:04] <Janusz> I use 14.04 here.
[18:12] <hggdh> Janusz: pleasetry #ubuntu+1
[18:13] <Janusz> hggdh, Thank You.


[10:42] <olmari> I'll come here as I'm running 16.10 and don't want to make any type of "official" bug report yet...
[10:42] <olmari> When I close mine laptop lid, 16.10 goes to sleep even when every power setting I can imagine relating is made not to do that, incl. dconf
[10:42] <olmari> 16.04 and earlier has been working so many years :)
[10:45] <olmari> I don't know what else to look at any more :) lenovo w520, latest bios etc... and 16.04 works
[17:13] <olmari> whoops... accidentally have parted times ago
[17:14] <olmari> so... mine problem with 16.10: Thinkpad w520, computer still goes to sleep when closing lid, despite setting is set not to do that
[17:15] <olmari> also checked with dconf-editor and saw nothing that would do that
[17:15] <olmari> in 16.04 it works as should, which is "nothing"


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <davidcalle> Morning all o/
[11:02] <popey> Hm, Can apps prevent shell rotation, or request that they not be rotatable?
[11:02] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/sudoku-app/+bug/1465453 for example.
[11:02] <Elleo> popey: yeah, they need to set it in their .desktop file
[11:02] <popey> Thinking this app should stay portrait only
[11:02] <popey> oh, excellent.
[11:02] <popey> is this documented somewhere
[11:02] <popey> ?
[11:03] <Elleo> popey: X-Ubuntu-Supported-Orientations=portrait
[11:03] <popey> sweet, thanks
[11:03] <Elleo> no problem
[13:00] <karni> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this example shouldn't say in both PageHeadState's "head: searchPage.head", should it?
[13:00] <karni> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeadState/
[13:46] <nik90> karni: it should
[13:47] <nik90> karni: the head property is used to indicate which page head it belongs to. I have had some failures when not declaring that.
[13:47] <karni> nik90: yes, thank you (managed to arrive at that conclusion :) )
[13:47] <nik90> :)
[13:47] <karni> the example also says "Click the icon", and there's none :D? and id: headerState (whereas the default one has no id, and is also sort of header state)
[13:48] <karni> oh, the search icon, nvm :) coolio.
[13:48] <nik90> yeah the header button icon ;)
[14:47] <balloons> mhall119, I need to review https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/developer-ubuntu-com/add-autopilot-scopes-docs/+merge/262859 yes?
[14:51] <mhall119> balloons: I think dholbach is reviewing it already
[14:53] <dpm> balloons, did the question about clock tests failing in trunk get resolved?
[14:55] <balloons> dpm, no, good point. I should ping nik90 again
[14:55] <balloons> mhall119, perfect, I'll leave it
[14:55] <nik90> balloons, dpm: I'm here
[14:55] <balloons> I'd like to get that up today so I can unleash the docs and posts
[14:56] <nik90> balloons, dpm: I still to need to read up on the email about the clock app test. Sry, been busy with weather app this week.
[14:57] <dpm> balloons, also, thanks to bartosz, Calculator now uploads correctly to the daily PPA
[14:57] <dpm> np, thanks nik90!
[15:00] <balloons> ahh yes, the ppa uploads
[15:22] <nik90> oh yeah ... https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-weather-app/finish-listitem-migration/+merge/263136   ..... around 700 lines of code removed..always love these kind of MPs ;)
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: whats the magic ppa to install the coreapps please
[15:50] <davmor2> on desktop
[15:50] <popey> google core apps ppa daily
[15:50] <popey> you'll find it :)
[15:50] <davmor2> popey: ta
[16:36] <davmor2> popey: so music-app works but reminders-app and calendar-app both fail to open :(
[16:37] <davmor2> popey: Music does look lovely though :)
[16:41] <popey> davmor2: on what desktop?
[16:41] <davmor2> popey: yeap
[16:41] <popey> no, thats not an answer
[16:41] <popey> what desktop?
[16:41] <popey> unity7 1504, unity8.. click.. snappy?
[16:41] <davmor2> popey: amd64 vivid
[16:42] <popey> any errors in ~/.cache/upstart/usual place?
[16:42] <popey> might need a bug filing so we can track it.
[16:42] <popey> thanks for testing
[16:43] <popey> hey mihir
[16:43] <davmor2> not testing I had no calendar app on my laptop so thought oh there is that ppa to install the phone app I'll grab that :)
[16:43] <mihir> hey popey
[16:44] <popey> oh, you left a comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/1466667/+merge/262763 ...
[16:45] <mihir> yeah, anyway I'll chuck mine and accept his :) doesn't make much difference
[16:45] <popey> hehe
[16:46] <popey> be good to land it
[16:49] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11779423/ trying from the terminal I get this no errors in the .cache though
[16:52] <popey> is this a clean install of vivid?
[16:53] <davmor2> popey: it was when vivid was released yes
[17:41] <mihir> popey: done
[17:42]  * popey hugs mihir
[17:42] <popey> thanks mihir !
[17:42] <mihir> :D
[17:56] <nik90> popey: did media-hub playlist support land?
[17:56] <nik90> I just read the community update email by dpm
[17:56] <popey> nik90: initial version is in silo 38
[17:59] <davmor2> popey: how old is the dekko in that ppa?
[17:59] <nik90> popey: oh wow .. can't believe I missed that ;)
[18:02] <nik90> Elleo: this might just be it ;) ^^^ media-hub playlist support
[18:04] <Elleo> nik90: awesome :)
[18:15] <Elleo> anyone know anything about push notifications? I'm setting both the "actions" parameter and the "persist" parameter but neither seem to have any effect
[18:16] <popey> Elleo: DanChapman does I think
[18:17] <Elleo> popey: okay, thanks
[18:18] <popey> davmor2: very old
[18:18] <popey> DanChapman: also, do you have a more up to date ppa for dekko?
[18:23] <DanChapman> Elleo are you setting the "actions" parameter as an array? That one caught me out.
[18:23] <DanChapman> popey: no i don't have an up to date ppa. might be worth sorting that out again at some point
[18:23] <Elleo> DanChapman: yeah
[18:24] <Elleo> DanChapman: this is what I'm sending: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11779882/
[18:24] <Elleo> DanChapman: I'm especially surprised that persist doesn't work, since that'd seem pretty unambigious
[18:24] <Elleo> instead I just get a transitory pop-up and nothing else
[18:25] <Elleo> emblems also don't work either when set, but I'm less concerned about that
[18:28] <DanChapman> hmm strange that looks ok to me. Although i don't think i managed to get appid:// to work for the action, and instead went with a custom handler dekko://
[18:29] <DanChapman> Elleo, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpniel/dekko/devel/view/head:/src/app/Notifications/PostalServiceWorker.cpp is where I create the push message in dekko if that's of any help.
[18:29] <Elleo> DanChapman: thanks, will take a look
[18:37] <Elleo> DanChapman: sorted it :) both problems were caused by me having the wrong appid, it should have been com.mikeasoft.podbird_Podbird not com.mikeasoft.podbird_podbird (capital P)
[18:39] <Elleo> and that was also the cause of the emblem counter not showing up
[18:39] <DanChapman> Elleo \o/ awesome
[18:39] <DanChapman> I'm yet to get sound to work though
[18:40] <Elleo> DanChapman: are you supplying the mp3 with your app? that'd be my guess, I haven't tried using that though (don't really want sounds for this)
[18:40] <popey> ahayzen: hide! nik90 and Elleo want to steal your lovely playlist goodness!
[18:40] <Elleo> heh
[18:41] <ahayzen> hahahha good luck!
[18:41]  * ahayzen pretends that that audio side works perfectly :-)
[18:41] <popey> Ruh Roh
[18:42] <ahayzen> but the UI side is all working really nicely :-) so far
[18:43] <davmor2> ahayzen: don't make out like it doesn't or I'll set jhodapp on you ;)
[18:43] <DanChapman> Elleo, i've tried supplying it and just setting "sound": true which the docs say should play a default sound. I need to check the source to see if it wants the file in a specific standard path or something
[18:43] <Elleo> DanChapman: also, double check you're not in silent mode :P
[18:43] <Elleo> DanChapman: beyond that I have no idea I'm afraid
[18:43] <jhodapp> davmor2, lol
[18:44] <Elleo> nik90, popey: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/notification-test.png http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/emblem-test.png \o/ (just a pre-constructed test update from the server so far, still need to get it parsing all the podcast feeds to generate genuine updates)
[18:45] <davmor2> jhodapp: man don't laugh people won't take me seriously when I threaten them with you ;)
[18:45] <davmor2> jhodapp: is silo38 building?
[18:45] <ahayzen> davmor2, hehe
[18:46] <nik90> Elleo: awesome..btw we will need a monochrome icon of Podbird to show in the indicator-messages
[18:46]  * ahayzen senses many evenings of testing ahead
[18:46] <davmor2> ahayzen: haha :P
[18:46] <ahayzen> we are only changing the actual part the plays audio of a music-app you know nothing important :-)
[18:47] <nik90> Elleo: btw is this all server code or client code?
[18:47] <jhodapp> davmor2, haha, it is already built
[18:47] <davmor2> ahayzen: I repeat "HAHA"
[18:47] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, no idea how to specify a different app icon, but I expect karni will know from telegram
[18:47] <nik90> jhodapp: can we expect your silo 38 for vivid ... in other words for OTA-5?
[18:47] <davmor2> jhodapp: Silo ready to build
[18:48] <jhodapp> nik90, trying for it
[18:48] <Elleo> nik90: bit of both, some client code to let the server know what its notification token is and register it with a specific user, and a little notification helper; then most of the actual json generation happens on the server and gets sent off to the push server
[18:48] <jhodapp> davmor2, it was built once by Mirv...I haven't changed it since then
[18:49] <davmor2> jhodapp: oh no wonder it's a wily silo
[18:49] <jhodapp> yeah
[18:49] <nik90> davmor2: look at you nicely mocking up for all the testing that needs to be done...may be we should get the QA to do it for us :PPPPP
[18:49] <nik90> s/up/us
[18:50] <davmor2> nik90: No we get it afterwards :P
[18:50] <nik90> davmor2: hmm true
[18:51] <nik90> Elleo: I will ask kevin for that icon and send it to you .. should be quite easy to make it.
[18:52] <nik90> ahayzen: I did have a look at your branch but its too many changes for me to make out anything ;) .. . I will have to resort to checking the Qt Multimedia documentation for it
[18:52] <ahayzen> nik90, and its not finished/working :-) ... and pre-victor QA
[18:52] <karni> nik90: anything I can help with?
[18:53] <nik90> karni: Elleo and I would like to know how to show a monochrome icon in the messaging indicator when you get a push notification.
[18:53] <karni> oh, indicator message
[18:53] <karni> 1 sec
[18:53] <nik90> karni: Elleo is adding push notification support for Podbird!
[18:54] <nik90> ahayzen: ah yes the victor QA ;)
[18:54] <karni> I have this in cmakelists:
[18:54] <karni> CMakeLists.txt:set(APP_SYMBOLIC_ICON "images/telegram_symbolic.svg")
[18:54] <karni> I also see this:
[18:54] <karni> telegram.desktop.in:X-Ubuntu-SymbolicIcon=./images/telegram_symbolic.svg
[18:54] <Elleo> nik90: cool, thanks
[18:54] <Elleo> karni: awesome, thanks
[18:54] <nik90> Elleo: ^^
[18:54] <karni> yw :)
[18:54] <nik90> karni: thnx
[19:09] <popey> Elleo: oooh
[19:09] <popey> Elleo: so is that "there are new episodes available"?
[19:09] <popey> oh man, you could also do "You liked, this, here's other shows you might like"
[19:09] <popey> probably
[19:09] <Elleo> popey: yeah, that's also planned; I based the server  on the GNU FM code specifically so I could easily reuse the recommendation engine I wrote for that :)
[19:09] <popey> Sweet!
[19:11] <Elleo> popey: and then I can use my powers for evil by getting it to always suggest my own podcasts to everyone ;)
[19:35] <SturmFlut> Is anybody here using OSMScout?
[19:44] <bogdan_> Is there any way to use the `Design` tab of `Qt Creator` when developing Ubuntu Phone applications?
[19:47] <bogdan_> All I'm seeing in the `Design` tab is a bunch of errors: `Errors while reading typeinfo files:` ...
[19:48] <bogdan_> do you folks usually use that feature of the IDE?
[19:53] <SturmFlut> bogdan_: No, the "Design" tab is even supposed to be disabled when developing for Ubuntu
[19:53] <SturmFlut> popey: Ping
[19:53] <popey> pong
[19:53] <SturmFlut> popey: Didn't somebody take one of Simon Tatham's games and port it for Ubuntu?
[19:54] <SturmFlut> popey: Or was that my imagination
[19:54] <popey> Robert Ancell looked at them
[19:54] <popey> dunno if he ported any
[19:54] <bogdan_> SturmFlut: thanks
[19:54] <bogdan_> SturmFlut: I wish I had aked this yesterday
[19:55] <bogdan_> *asked
[19:57] <SturmFlut> popey: I remember a screenshot I think, but I don't see anything in the store
[20:00] <popey> SturmFlut: https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.robert-ancell.mines
[20:05] <SturmFlut> popey: That was already on the last list
[20:05] <popey> ah
[20:57] <mcphail> Can anyone running vivid+overlay test a .click for me to see if it runs in landscape mode?
[21:01] <nik90> mcphail: sure
[21:02] <mcphail> nik90: thanks - http://themcphails.uk/pong.njmcphail_0.1_armhf.click
[21:02] <mcphail> nik90: the game isn't functional, but just want to see if rotation works
[21:04] <SturmFlut> My understanding is that the Ubuntu messaging framework is based on Telepathy, which means that all the existing instant messaging services (like XMPP or ICQ) could be easily used as backends on the device. Is that correct?
[21:04] <SturmFlut> popey: ^^
[21:08] <nik90> mcphail: https://imgur.com/a/VulTh#2
[21:09] <nik90> mcphail: it does force the phone to go to landscape mode
[21:10] <mcphail> nik90: but doesn't get past splash screen?
[21:10] <nik90> mcphail: it does, but the whole background is transparent...I barely see the ball and the slider moving
[21:11] <nik90> mcphail: if you look at https://imgur.com/a/VulTh#1, you will see your app running
[21:12] <mcphail> aah - some progress at least. Cheers!
[21:13] <nik90> ;)
[21:18] <mcphail> wonder if this is another manifestation of bug 1460149 ?
[22:05] <SturmFlut> Update time! http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/2015/06/27/ubuntu-app-scope-wishlist-june-2015/


[01:26] <dandel> i need to ask, when booting with single boot option, is the default tests one does in that supposed to not be logged in case it results in a failure?
[01:28] <dandel> i've ran in to a few issues when testing my acpi and such where the acpi doesn't return my display to a usable state, and when i reboot to check the kernel and system log files, i find large blocks of missing test sessions, which occurred while booted in to the single user mode.
[02:17] <sgodsell> hello everyone
[02:17] <sgodsell> is there a mkinitrd command in ubuntu?
[02:18] <sgodsell> how do you make the initrd file for ubuntu?
[02:18] <sgodsell> I know in fedora or redhat it is mkinitrd command
[02:23] <dandel> yes.
[02:23] <dandel> it's called minitramfs
[02:24] <dandel> *mkinitramfs
[02:24] <sgodsell> dandel but its not the same
[02:24] <dandel> it does.
[02:24] <sgodsell> you don't specify the kernel version
[02:24] <dandel> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrdfile version
[02:25] <sgodsell> okay
[02:25] <sgodsell> I will try that then
[02:25] <dandel> initrdfile is the target file.
[02:26] <sgodsell> dandel, if you need to add a module.   How do you add it?
[02:26] <dandel> like?
[02:26] <dandel> ubuntu auto detects all modules in the initrd from what i know.
[02:27] <dandel> only special task on certain modules, like having to blacklist ath5k to use the ath_pci module is really required.
[02:27] <sgodsell> oh, wait the man page said to use /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[02:27] <sgodsell> so I guess I modify that file then
[02:28] <sgodsell> thank you dandel
[02:28] <sgodsell> thanks for your help
[02:28] <dandel> np, actually i have other issues i'm trying to fix/figure out with that ><;
[02:29]  * dandel really wonders why when i boot with  the flag, "single" it causes all system, kernel, and etc logs to not be logged happens.
[02:30] <dandel> i use single and go to the root terminal and the syslog and kern log do not get updated, and it really hampers the acpi testing (nor do i know what to fix to help on this)
[02:30] <sgodsell> single mode is run level 1
[02:30] <sgodsell> isn't it
[02:30] <dandel> possibly
[02:31] <sgodsell> so nothing is really loaded
[02:31] <dandel> i was trying to run tests without xorg up and that's the easiest way to go about that.
[02:31] <sgodsell> do you want maybe run level 3.  No graphics mode (server mode)
[02:31] <dandel> if i knew how to boot in to that, i would.
[02:31] <sgodsell> instead of single use the number 3
[02:31] <sgodsell> when grub comes up
[02:32] <sgodsell> press e
[02:32] <sgodsell> for edit
[02:32] <dandel> just tell me the param
[02:32] <sgodsell> on the end of the kernel line add the number 3
[02:32] <dandel> i've modified the boot params dozens of time using nano
[02:32] <sgodsell> you can do it that as well
[02:32] <mjg59> sgodsell: Ubuntu doesn't distinguish multiuser runlevels by default
[02:32] <mjg59> 3 is the same as 5
[02:33] <dandel> well the nasty handling of single mode 1 is a huge issue then.
[02:33] <sgodsell> mjg59, oh, thats right ubuntu doesn't use sysv
[02:33] <mjg59> sgodsell: No, that's nothing to do with it
[02:33] <dandel> especially since when during testing i sometimes can't get the monitor to come back ><;
[02:33] <dandel> and haft to reboot with the ctrl+alt+delete combination.
[02:34] <dandel> and at that point, i really need the log to figure out what happened ><:
[02:34] <dandel> i'm currently doing testing on bug 338701
[02:35] <ubot3> Malone bug 338701 in linux "acpi_irq is not set properly." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338701
[02:46] <dandel> mjg59, how would i boot in to a mode where the logging daemons would start.
[09:59] <apw> Kernel UDS session (room 14): Incorporating Andoid into the Ubuntu Kernel: session starting
[10:09] <apw> gobby doc: karmic-kernel-android
[10:20] <apw> ... session done
[11:51] <apparle> hello
[11:51] <apparle> has this bug been fixed in 9.04 kernel http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7467
[11:51] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 7467 in Sound(ALSA) "snd-atiixp driver does not load on DFI rs482 mainboard" [High,Closed: code_fix]
[11:56] <apparle> ..
[12:21] <Kano> hi, why is lzma support not used for karmic kernel compression
[13:19] <pkern> There is no KMS support for ATI r500 on Ubuntu yet, right?
[13:22] <pkern> (I mean I fact I know Fedora already released with support for it, but still.)


[21:20] <kjcole> Any special magic to make a very slow LiveCD boot faster?  I keep getting udevsettle timeouts.
[21:21] <kjcole> (Tried with an LTS Live CD and a Maverick Live USB.  Both worked on other systems.  And the current system still boots into Windows XP, so the hardware's good...)
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> get a new computer...?
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> j/k
[21:22] <maco> faster cd drive?
[21:22] <maco> though a live usb shouldnt depend on that...
[21:37] <kjcole> It appears the problem may somehow be the hard disk.
[21:38] <kjcole> The USB eventually did boot (after about 12 minutes) but it doesn't see the hard disk.
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> USB doesn't need the hard disk...
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> so the CPU is just slow?
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> whats the speed?
[21:39] <kjcole> Yeah, but I'm having a chicken and egg problem (and may resort to digging up another stick): This machine has a fresh install of Windows XP but it's a Dell. It doesn't have any of the Dell drivers it needs.
[21:40] <kjcole> Since it can't get out to the network without the drivers, I thought: Boot into Linux, and download everything to the Windows partition. It's worked for me before.
[21:40] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, that is an intriguing issue..
[21:41] <kjcole> Someone scrawled on it 3.4 GHz / 2 GB RAM. ;-)
[21:41] <kjcole> I have to run to the other room to check out if that is, in fact, truthiness.
[21:42] <bcurtiswx> lol
[21:42] <maco> it could e a 3.4GHz celeron from 2002
[21:43] <maco> that'd be slow... very little L2
[21:43] <kjcole> Manufacture date on sticker (not hand scrawled) says 2006. (Dell Dimension 5150, to be precise.)
[21:44] <kjcole> Under Windows it boots up at a reasonable speed.
[21:44] <bcurtiswx> reasonable for windows or Linux? :P
[21:44] <kjcole> Heh.
[21:45] <kjcole> Given the comparison is a Linux USB stick...
[21:45] <kjcole> BRB
[21:46] <bcurtiswx> maco, whats the sponsors website?
[21:47] <maco> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[21:49] <bcurtiswx> maco, thx
[21:50] <bcurtiswx> i still don't have my luggage back from JFK, AA keeps telling me it's with the delivery company, but the delivery company hasn't called me or delivered it yet
[21:56] <kjcole> Is there something to force a running system to try to wake a hard drive that it doesn't see?
[22:12] <bcurtiswx> whats dmesg say?
[22:12] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, ^^
[22:18] <kjcole> Sorry.  Was in a chat with Dell.  No help there.  Let me look.
[22:19] <kjcole> Sadly, lots of read errors.
[22:20] <kjcole> What's the preferred pastebin?
[22:23] <kjcole> http://pastebin.com/EBL3EZ7u
[22:25] <kjcole> I'm loathe to reboot into Windows, but I guess I'll run a scan and see if I can improve on things.
[22:25] <kjcole> Signing off (rebooting) for now.