[12:04] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-cacher-ng
[12:04] <zetheroo> ok
[12:04] <RamunasM> hello folks, I was trying to install 9.10, and it seems the installer is not showing my first hdd, I have 2. And it seems there's a bug about this, with status fix comitted, so what does that mean for me?
[12:04] <zetheroo> is there a gui for it yet/
[12:04] <zetheroo> ?
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> you dont need a gui for it. :) it has a web interface
[12:04] <om26er_> RamunasM, no its not
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> not that you do much with the interface...
[12:04] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: it does? ... is that a new thing ?
[12:04] <om26er_> RamunasM, i have two hard drives and they both are detected well
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  no idea. ive only started using it
[12:05] <pmatulis> RamunasM: bug #?
[12:05] <Lazy> !info apt-p2p
[12:05] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: oh ok ... sounds good  though ... i was having to set it all up in the terminal etc ...
[12:05] <RamunasM> my problem is the same: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1303071
[12:06] <RamunasM> its just that I tried 32bit build
[12:06] <om26er_> Dr_Willis, are you a real doctor or Ubuntu Doctor?
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  add one line to the apt system configs on the clients to point them to the server.. and thats about it.. :)  if i recall right
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis is a Witch Doctor.
[12:06] <eagles0513875> this is interesting has the default button to get to the list of installed kernels changed since jaunty from f2 to f12 O_o
[12:06]  * Dr_Willis puts the lime in the coconut and drinks it right up.
[12:06] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: gosh ... that's simple .... maybe i'll try to set it up again ...
[12:06] <Roey> hi
[12:07] <Roey> I'm having trouble booting... I get dumped to a busybox shell after the kernel claims it can't find /   (and this is off a stock install)
[12:07] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: is there a good how-to you can point me to
[12:07] <zetheroo> ?
[12:07] <Roey> of karmic
[12:07] <Roey> hey Dr_Willis!
[12:07] <eagles0513875> Roey: when you say install or waht ever make sure you try turn of acpi and all that some times that helps
[12:08] <Roey> acpi. ok.
[12:08] <Roey> acpi=off
[12:08] <Roey> in the linux boot line, right?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  i found some on google/forums - some of them are 'wrong' and want you to edit the source.list i think.. thats not needed.
[12:08] <eagles0513875> no hit f6 then hit space to toggle it off
[12:08] <Roey> ok.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=981085
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> apt-cacher-ng guide.
[12:08] <Roey> what does that have to do with the system not finding /   (acpi being off)
[12:09] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: oh ok ... thanks
[12:09] <RamunasM> pmatulis, om26er_  maybe its related to something like this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gparted/+bug/60868
[12:09] <RamunasM> as its shown on fdisk -l
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> I dident have to do the inscrtuctions at 2.2 on that guide. i recall
[12:09] <Roey> ah
[12:09] <Roey> netsplit.
[12:11] <Roey> Dr_Willis:  could you help me with this issue?  I have the output of 'blkid' and the contents of my grub.cfg in http://pastebin.com/f6efcbf2c
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> Roey:  and what are you trying to do?
[12:13] <Roey> Dr_Willis: boot.
[12:13] <Roey> I installed Karmic, and now I get dumped to a busybox/ash shell as the kernel panics because it cannot find /
[12:14] <coz_> Roey,  is this dropping to  initramfs?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> Ive never used any sort of raid setup. what drive is your / drive?  and wheres th boot stuff at?
[12:14] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: I am kinda stuck at step 2 - hehe
[12:15] <c_korn> will the release isos differ from these dailys ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:16] <IRConan> c_korn: only a little, you can download them and rsync up to the release I think
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  all i did I think was set up the cacher line/file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ pastebinit  01proxy
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f67bcc771
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> cat 01proxy
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3142";
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> On the 'server' then on the clients i changed localhost to be th eright ip#
[12:17] <gRnt> Hi all I have been following a tutorial here http://www.wtorrent-project.org/trac/wiki/DebianInstall to install wtorrent with rtorrent anyway everything has gone smoothly, Installed all the packages required, and everything till now has been fine, when I try and run rtorrent as suggested in the tutorial the terminal throws me the following error rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.11: cannot open shared o
[12:17] <Italian_Plumber1> I have a question about the torrents for karmic's install CDs.
[12:17] <eagles0513875> hey Dr_Willis question for ya has the button to pull up grub menul list changed from grub to grub 2
[12:18] <Italian_Plumber1> Grnt: I have rtorrent installed.  Did you compile it yourself?
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  what button? Ive never noticed a grub menu list..
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> I got my grub menu to always show.   i unhide it
[12:18] <eagles0513875> in janunty it used to be f2 to pull it up
[12:18] <eagles0513875> im running karmic in a vm and it seems it only happens when i hit f12
[12:18] <gRnt> Italian_Plumber1:  followed the tutorial in the link above to ensure I got it right so I guess so? Installed via subversion just changed the release numbers on libtorrent and rtorrent to suit current releases
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  i Thought one used the escape key. :) but i always make my grub menu unhidden.. so ive neer tried F12 or F2
[12:19] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: so you created that file 01proxy
[12:19] <Italian_Plumber1> ah... I installed it with "sudo apt-get install rtorrent"
[12:19] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  yes
[12:19] <eagles0513875> ohhh wait it could be escape key
[12:19] <Italian_Plumber1> I don't do much self-compiling.
[12:19] <renatomefidf> anyone know if canonica uploaded the 9.10(final) and did not publish the link?
[12:19] <eagles0513875> but for some reason on my vmware fusion vm on osx it seems to be f12
[12:19] <zetheroo> and I would use the same line in my server machine? Acquire::http::Proxy "http://localhost:3142";
[12:19] <Roey> coz_: yes exactly
[12:20] <zetheroo>  Dr_Willis: ^^
[12:20] <eagles0513875> renatomefidf: nothing else is gonna be released till release day except for the RC which is out
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  installed the apt-cacher-ng on my main server. and used that file... and same file on every client. only chanbgd the  localhost
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  id think so.
[12:20] <Roey> coz_: it is dropping to initramfs
[12:20] <coz_> Roey,  ok  after it drops to initramfs  wait about 3 seconds then type   exit
[12:20] <Roey> ok
[12:20] <Roey> what's the rationale behind this?
[12:20] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: do i have to install the package on the clients as well?
[12:20] <eagles0513875> how do i unhide it Dr_Willis
[12:20] <Italian_Plumber1> and I use rtorrent on hardy....
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  No.
[12:20] <coz_> Roey,  it will boot  then you will have to edit  /etc/default/grub and insert   rootdelay=40 and I will upload an example of that
[12:21] <hernad> for example on launchpad I have found that one bug is resolved with eclipse 3.5.1 ubuntu7 but these packages doesn't exists on http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/e/eclipse/
[12:21] <Roey> but it tells me "Gave up waiting for root device"
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   i edit the /etc/default/grub file and  set a delay to show th emenu
[12:21] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: ok ... so just create the file on the clients and change localhost to the server's IP
[12:21] <coz_> Roey,  try it again
[12:21] <Roey> coz_: so that means that  my system will delay in forty seconds booting up?
[12:21] <RamunasM> eagles0513875: is the 27th day build newer than the RC?
[12:21] <Dr_Willis> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[12:21] <coz_> Roey,  no not quite  I have to do the same here because of my scsi drives
[12:22] <eagles0513875> RamunasM: rc if im not mistaken is always a new daily build
[12:22] <Roey> coz_: I have a softraid1 btw
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  thats what i did. and about all i did i recall.. buti never use synaptic. so  not sure ifyou have to do what they suggest for synaptic.. OR if that guide is just a little old
[12:22] <eagles0513875> hernad: probably the other servers have or are in the process of getting mirrored
[12:22] <coz_> Roey,  ok that may be the issue  let me upload this file hold on
[12:22] <Roey> coz_:  thanks
[12:22] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: ok ... I'll give it a whirl ...
[12:22] <hernad> ten days ?
[12:22] <hernad> and which is the primary one ?
[12:23] <eagles0513875> the canonical ones setup the package manager to use the main server
[12:23] <c_korn> IRConan: fine, will do that.
[12:23] <eagles0513875> hernad: before you do that type apt-cache policy eclipse on the command line for me and pastebin the out put please
[12:23] <Italian_Plumber1> are torrents for the karmic install CD (final release) available now, or will they be "released" along with the direct downloads from the mirrors?
[12:23] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: they'll be released with the direct downloads
[12:23] <IRConan> they don't know the hash yet :P
[12:24] <Italian_Plumber1> well that's what I thought.
[12:24] <hernad> bringout@desk-c2:~$ sudo apt-cache policy eclipse
[12:24] <hernad> eclipse:
[12:24] <Italian_Plumber1> so if I go get the torrent now, I'm getting the beta version
[12:24] <hernad>   Instalirano:3.5.1-0ubuntu6
[12:24] <hernad>   Kandidat 3.5.1-0ubuntu6
[12:24] <hernad>   Verziona lista
[12:24] <hernad>  *** 3.5.1-0ubuntu6 0
[12:24] <hernad>         500 http://archive.sigma-com.net karmic/universe Packages
[12:24] <hernad>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/universe Packages
[12:24] <hernad>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:24] <eagles0513875> !pastebin | hernad
[12:24] <hernad> but this is my mirrored
[12:24] <eagles0513875> hernad: run sudo apt-get update
[12:24] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: you could get the isos of the dailies and just get the changes by torrent on thursday
[12:24] <hernad> sorry
[12:24] <eagles0513875> then run apt-cache policy eclipse again and tell me if the version is the same or not
[12:25] <Italian_Plumber1> hmm good idea IRConan... I never thought of that...
[12:25] <coz_> Roey,  here is the screenshot   http://www.picpaste.com/Screenshot-grub__-etc-default__-_gedit.png   and here is the file   http://www.speedyshare.com/256548469.html
[12:25] <IRConan> Italian_Plumber1: saves server load on thursday which can only be a good thing
[12:25] <Cantcme> its wednesday 11:25pm here! hehe
[12:25] <eagles0513875> hernad: what sudo apt-get update does is updates the list of whats in the repositories
[12:25] <IRConan> Cantcme: don't expect a midnight release...
[12:25] <Cantcme> haha yeh i know :D
[12:25] <coz_> Roey,  make sure you have the quote marks properly places   then when you finish editing that file  open a terminal and run   sudo update-grub
[12:26] <Italian_Plumber1> but wouldn't bit torrent only retrieve the new bits of the file, and not "erase" the old bits?
[12:26] <hernad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/303539/
[12:26] <courpse> In desperate need of some help, :/
[12:26] <eagles0513875> hernad: run apt-cache policy eclipse again and let me know if its the same version or not
[12:26] <eagles0513875> courpse: just ask your question and if someone knows they will help you
[12:26] <courpse> I was upgrading to Karmic from Jaunty, 16 mins lef, my comp is frooze.
[12:27] <courpse> I can boot from a Jaunty live CD.
[12:27] <hernad> apt-cache policy is the same ubuntu6
[12:27] <IRConan> Cantcme: for one thing because you are the very first timezone for which it becomes the 29th... it'll probably be the 30th for you by the time they release
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: I'm having trouble downloading it (I get "protocol died unexpectedly" and I have trouble with wget as well)
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: can you put it up on pastebin.com?
[12:27] <hernad> it is expected
[12:27] <courpse> Is there anyway i can boot from liveCD, and apply a upgrade to the hdd?
[12:27] <coz_> Roey,  sure hold on
[12:27] <Roey> coz_: also, I'musing grub2
[12:27] <Cantcme> IRConan: yeh im expecting it to be the 30th here or close to
[12:27] <hernad> on every server i have looked up eclipse ubuntu6 is the last one
[12:28] <eagles0513875> hernad: if you want the latest and greatest then you could always install it from the eclipse.org website
[12:28] <coz_> Roey,  right this is for grub2  and here is the pastebin   http://pastebin.com/m36076440
[12:28] <courpse> Anyone?
[12:28] <Roey> coz_: thanks, one moment while I apply these
[12:28] <coz_> Roey,   so in terminal   sudo gedit /etc/default/grub
[12:28] <Roey> ok
[12:28] <IRConan> hernad: eclipse distribution from the website is good... it's a java app so it doesn't even need installing really
[12:29] <Roey> coz_: oh..../etc/default/grub...ok
[12:29] <hernad> you don't get my point, my primary question question is: are there changes on karmic repositories in last 10 days
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,   then carefully place that   rootdelay=40 just as I have it
[12:29] <RamunasM> courpse: why would you want to do that?
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,  then save the file  and in the terminal    sudo update-grub
[12:29] <coz_> Roey,  then reboot and see if it is to your likeing
[12:29] <hernad> regarding eclipse, I have got ubuntu7 eclipse from launchpad manually downloading deb by deb
[12:29] <IRConan> hernad: there will be some...
[12:29] <courpse> RamunasM, To try and save my os.
[12:29] <joaopinto> hernad, yes there are
[12:30] <joaopinto> latest eclipse on karmic is 3.5.1+repack~1-0ubuntu1
[12:30] <Roey> coz_: ok
[12:30] <coz_> Roey,  let me know
[12:30] <hernad> and what  is in your sources.list ? which server ?
[12:30] <joaopinto> hernad, gb.archive.ubuntu.com, but this is not a recent change, so must servers should be updated at this time
[12:31] <Roey> coz_: two questions:  (1) is the vga= necessary (i.e. it was not in my line apparently), and (2) what does update-grub do?
[12:31] <RamunasM> courpse: if its not booting, I don't think its going to upgrade
[12:31] <IRConan> hernad: that's the one on packages.ubuntu.com definitive answer
[12:31] <om26er> the date here is 28th oct karmic will release tomorrow?
[12:31] <vega-> does eclipse in ubuntu nowadays have a real maintainer or did someone "just package it"  and that's it ... historically support has not been very good (no updates in many years)
[12:31] <om26er> or after 6  hours?
[12:31] <joaopinto> om26er, yes, but don't ask for the specific time, there is no time
[12:31] <courpse> RamunasM, So you think theres no chance of upgrading to a different source?
[12:31] <eagles0513875> vega-: check out the website
[12:31] <coz_> Roey,  if the vga is not there already then no I dont think it is necessary and the update-grub updates the grub.cgf file which is the file read for the grub menu  etc
[12:31] <vega-> eagles0513875: which web site?
[12:31] <eagles0513875> vega-: eclipse.org im using it in my java class
[12:31] <RamunasM> courpse: I'm no expert, so don't trust my word
[12:32] <courpse> RamunasM, I can get to a console, with no network.
[12:32] <joaopinto> vega-, there is specific maintainer on the Debian sence, there was smeone working on it hard to make sure it was updated on this release
[12:32] <vega-> eagles0513875: err, read my question...
[12:32] <courpse> Maybe download all packs from upgrade, then boot to that console, and install them from there.,
[12:32] <RamunasM> courpse: in that case, you could get the alternate install cd
[12:32] <om26er> joaopinto, this was the answer of my first question or second?
[12:32] <eagles0513875> ! info eclipse
[12:32] <vega-> joaopinto: hmm ok
[12:32] <eagles0513875> !info eclipse
[12:32] <RamunasM> courpse: and use it to try to upgrade I guess
[12:32] <joaopinto> om26er, there is no specific time for the release
[12:33] <courpse> I have no blank disks.
[12:33] <om26er> joaopinto, what's the time there
[12:33] <eagles0513875> karmic seems to have the latest version of eclipse
[12:33] <om26er> your time
[12:33] <Italian_Plumber1> hmm... that reminds me... I need to go get some
[12:33] <joaopinto> om26er, the time is not relevant for the release, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[12:33] <courpse> I'd waqit tell i had some, but i need some processes up and running 5 mins ago, :/
[12:33] <joaopinto> it will be out somewhere on the next 48h
[12:33] <RamunasM> courpse: you don't actually have to burn it, you can just mount the ISO from the terminal?
[12:33] <RamunasM> if you have a way to download the ISO to the machine that is
[12:34] <vega-> eagles0513875: yes, and my question was and still is "does it have a real, active maintainer in ubuntu", because if not, it's better to use the eclipse.org version directly
[12:34] <hernad> It seems my provider redirected all *.archive.ubuntu.com to it's local server !?
[12:34] <courpse> RamunasM, uhhuh!
[12:34] <courpse> RamunasM, Smart thinking!
[12:34] <eagles0513875> hernad: ouchie :(
[12:34] <courpse> I'll download it to hdd via liveCD.
[12:34] <Roey> coz_: can I pm you for a sec?
[12:35] <coz_> Roey,  sure
[12:35] <Roey> coz_: I ran update-grub and goit errors
[12:35] <zetheroo> Dr_Willis: so ... sudo apt-get update worked on the client ... but sudo apt-get upgrade said there was nothing new to fetch ... and I know that the server is more updated than the client
[12:35] <eagles0513875> vega-: sry mis read that :( but you do alot like me if its an old version in the repos i usually go to the source site and either compile from source or package they have
[12:35] <hernad> yes it is :(
[12:35] <eagles0513875> zetheroo: you trying to upgrade from jaunty
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo:  no idea on that. I update/upgrade/dist-upgrade on every box basically the same
[12:35] <eagles0513875> !upgrade | zetheroo
[12:35] <zetheroo> eagles0513875: no .... thanks
[12:36] <eagles0513875> zetheroo: try instead of upgrade dist-upgrade
[12:36] <zetheroo> eagles0513875: I am not trying to upgrade to Karmic :)
[12:36] <vega-> eagles0513875: what i'm looking for it it has proper support nowadays in ubuntu, we have used the eclipse.org packages directly now for a few years but of course it would be better/easier to use the ubuntu-packaged ones
[12:37] <vega-> but if the support is as before, then best to use the eclipse.org version..
[12:37] <eagles0513875> vega-: i hear ya.
[12:37] <courpse> Is there a iso for karmic?
[12:37] <joaopinto> courpse, is not out yet
[12:37] <courpse> Crap.
[12:37] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what do i change to unhide grub menu cuz grub_time out is set to 10
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> several diffrent isos for 9.10  ;) but the final is not out yet.
[12:38] <courpse> I really need one, :/
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   You DID rerun 'update-grub' after changing the file?
[12:38] <RamunasM> courpse: I assume you want this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:   pastebinit  /etc/default/grub
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> http://pastebin.com/f6f61e004
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> checkout mine.
[12:38] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: i didnt change anything seems like the time out default is 10
[12:38] <courpse> RamunasM, Again, your the man,
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875:  Not what what keys you are hitting to do what exactly then really..  I always see my grub menu for 10 sec with that config
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> unless its some other setting causien it to hide
[12:39] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: this time i hit esc on my vm on vbox then f12 on vmware fusion it seemss
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> perhaps the   #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[12:41] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: what should i change that 2
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> I got it commented out. :) it has NO setting.. thus its NOT hidden.
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> that may of been what i changed to force it to unhide - i dont rember.
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> i edited it a few weeks back
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> compare my pastebin'd file to yours
[12:44] <domjohnson> hello
[12:46] <stsm> if i install  the 9.10 beta, will i be abel to update?
[12:46] <stsm> to the actual release
[12:46] <Pici> sure
[12:46] <Italian_Plumber1> how many daily builds are left before the final release?  One?  Two?  Is there a set time they normally come out?
[12:46] <stsm> ok so im guessing its best to install the beta at this point?
[12:46] <stsm> need to install a new system
[12:46] <zetheroo1> Dr_Willis: i think I know what i missed ... step 4 ... :)
[12:47] <zetheroo1> Dr_Willis: did you throw all that in your terminal as well?
[12:49] <joaopinto> Italian_Plumber1, unless there is a major issue the current daily should be final
[12:49] <zetheroo1> oops ... Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>:3142.
[12:49] <joaopinto> this is the time for mirror propagation, not for fixes :P
[12:49] <zetheroo1> oh duh ...
[12:49] <zetheroo1> gosh its getting late ...
[12:49] <Italian_Plumber1> so chances are that the current torrent hash(es) will be the finals?   The last thing that I did was assinged the interface a static ip address by editing /etc/network/interfaces . It was working just fine after /etc/init.d/networking restart, I wake up this morning and it will not work.
[13:01] <joaopinto> Ranakah, once you add the card to the interfaces, it will not be managed byt networkmanager
[13:01] <Ranakah> :D
[13:02] <Ranakah> sorry but Ranakah is not RanDom33
[13:02] <Ranakah> :D
[13:02] <RanDom33> joaopinto, can i set it up some way through that network manager with a static ip address?
[13:02] <Omar87> Hi all.
[13:03] <RanDom33> joaopinto, how can i reverse the damage I did?
[13:03] <joaopinto> RanDom33, you should, network manager allows to setup static ips
[13:03] <joaopinto> Ranakah, just remove the config from etc/network/interfaces
[13:03] <Omar87> I'm just wondering, why does Ubuntu only a partial upgrade only?
[13:03] <RanDom33> joaopinto, alright, one second, am going to delete the config file and then reboot.. correct?
[13:04] <Ranakah> :D
[13:04] <joaopinto> yup, restarting networkmanager should be sufficient
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> zetheroo1:  i never did the import. i just let the things download as needed
[13:04] <joaopinto> Omar87, are you already running karmic ?
[13:04] <Omar87> joaopinto, yes.
[13:04] <joaopinto> Omar87, so that message is expected in certain upgrade stages
[13:05] <Omar87> joaopinto, and it's already working like magic with me. :)
[13:05] <Omar87> joaopinto, I see.
[13:06] <Omar87> joaopinto, thanks a lot. :)
[13:06] <joaopinto> yw :)
[13:08] <RanDom33> joaopinto, that worked, now i need to find someway to setup static ip address of <IP_ADDRESS> with that network manager.
[13:08] <RanDom33> joaopinto, i deleted that conf file i wrote
[13:08] <kklimonda> RanDom33, you can create custom connections in nm
[13:09] <CShadowRun> Uhh, this is really dumb...in 9.10 you can't bind the super key to open a menu
[13:09] <CShadowRun> It's treated like a modifier now so you can't bind it on it's own
[13:09] <CShadowRun> driving me nuts.
[13:10] <Pici> It is a modifier, and thats not really new behavior.
[13:10] <CShadowRun> well, windows seems to be able to handle it :P
[13:10] <CShadowRun> it worked in 9.04 apparently
[13:10] <RanDom33> kklimonda, im not showing an option for that... only "create new connection" which then asks for essid and key . no options for dhcp or static..etc
[13:10] <CShadowRun> (Windows has plenty of shortcuts using the windows key on it's own, through using it as a modifier)
[13:11] <Pici> (linux is not windows)
[13:11] <CShadowRun> no but you'd think that there would be no problem binding a damned key to do what it's supposed to :(
[13:11] <CShadowRun> been trying for like 6 hours now and it's frustrating me.
[13:12] <Pici> CShadowRun: You can file a bug if you think it should behave differently, but I think thats the intended operation.  I could be wrong of course.
[13:12] <wzssyqa> where have the Torrent of 910's dvd
[13:12] <RanDom33> kklimonda, is there a custom connection setting that im missing? so far I have not found one.
[13:12] <CShadowRun> No point, i have to ship this laptop out today, so i'll never get to make that work for the user
[13:12] <CShadowRun> Which is really annoying, baring in mind this laptop has a nice home symbol on the windows key, it's supposed to be used to show the home menu :(
[13:13] <om26er> i say rupert, karmic can't get more final than 20091028 cd
[13:13] <Pici> CShadowRun: You're shipping a computer to a customer with a pre-release version of an OS?
[13:14] <CShadowRun> Pici, to a family friend, and it's RC, with 1 day left to go. Theres no point in not doing it
[13:14] <CShadowRun> Also, the customer specifically wanted features that was only available in karmic.
[13:14] <CShadowRun> well, family friend not customer :P
[13:14] <RanDom33> I am not seeing an option to setup a custom connection in Karmic. I need to setup a static IP address. Am I missing something?
[13:15] <CShadowRun> Ranakah, right click on the network icon, edit connections, select the connection, edit.
[13:15] <CShadowRun> RanDom33, *
[13:15] <Pici> om26er: That is not correct. Please stop spreading false information.
[13:15] <RanDom33> CShadowRun, thank you
[13:15] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, have you considered wicd , it can be configured to use static IP
[13:15] <Jimmio> Alright... where did the decrypt file thing go? I need to decrypt my old files from 9.04. I have the public and private key.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> !info wicd | RanDom33
[13:16] <Ranakah> :D
[13:16] <Ranakah> omg :D
[13:17] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, add this to your sources.list 'deb http://apt.wicd.net karmic extras'
[13:17] <wzssyqa> ubottu: Torrent
[13:18] <Pici> wzssyqa: 9.10 is not released yet, so theres not a torrent available for it.
[13:18] <Jimmio> How do I get my old key back as my personal key..?
[13:18] <wzssyqa> Pici: o ,do you known where have an mirrors?
[13:18] <preecher> is updating 9.04 to 9.10 beta as good as waiting for tomorrow's release? i figure things will be bottlenecked with most dloading tomorrow
[13:18] <hipitihop> I discovered the following in dmesg is this a serious sata hdd issue ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/303552/
[13:19] <Pici> wzssyqa: The same mirrors that have the normal releases will have the karmic release when its ready.
[13:19] <Roey> HI
[13:19] <Roey> DO I NEED AN ALTERNATE CD if I a installing to an /existing/ raid setup?
[13:20] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, i will look into that as well... thank you
[13:20] <wzssyqa> Pici: what i means is mirror of dvd iso
[13:20] <Pici> preecher: It will, but keep in mind that there is limited support at the moment and there is always the possibility that a bug will be discovered. Also, some install bugs are still being ironed out.
[13:20] <RanDom33> I figured out the "address, netmask and gateway.. but how do i know what to put in the dns blank"
[13:20] <Pici> wzssyqa: If they have a mirror of the jaunty dvd iso, chances are they'll mirror the karmic one too.
[13:20] <RanDom33> DNS blank... and search domains..
[13:21] <wzssyqa> Pici: but i don't know
[13:21] <Pici> wzssyqa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[13:21] <stardust1985> Hi, I downloaded the karmic final i386 desktop iso and created bootable flash by Unetbootin from my provider's pool directory but when I tried to boot it failed with squashfs error. But netbook version worked well
[13:22] <wzssyqa> Pici: i am downloading from there.it is so slow
[13:22] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, is your router provided by your ISP ?
[13:22] <RamunasM> I'm back, installer still can't see one of my hdd's, though fdisk -l lists it just fine, any ideas?
[13:22] <stardust1985> 112 mirrors are synced :)
[13:22] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, the router isnt, the modem is
[13:23] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: you need to mount the partition
[13:23] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, if so let the modem auto set the dns
[13:23] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: where to?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: anywhere you like, as long as its not in /proc
[13:24] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, im going to try wicd, maybe it wont ask for the dns, network manager was requiring it in the blank
[13:24] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: most people make an empty folder in /media and use that
[13:24] <hipitihop> Is this a smartd problem ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/303552/
[13:24] <aubre> when's the earliest I can download the Karmic server iso?
[13:24] <domjohnson> Isn't Karmic server already here?
[13:25] <brianski> what apt mirrors should i use to upgrade to rc?
[13:26] <aubre> I just see the RC on the server
[13:26] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, I use opendns rather than the one my ISP uses , you can try that instead : first is <IP_ADDRESS> ,then second is <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:26] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: the ones yu have now
[13:26] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: opendns ones then ;)
[13:26] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, thanks, i will add those to the fields.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, ok
[13:27] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: not helping it seems, I mounted in on /mnt/, installer still can't see it
[13:27] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: strange
[13:28] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: install dnsmasq and you can run your own DNS server, makes name resolutions way quicker
[13:28] <brianski> ActionParsnip2: if i do that i can only get a partial upgrade ?
[13:28] <brianski> s/jaunty/karmic/ i mean
[13:28] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: gotcha
[13:29] <ActionParsnip2> brianski: well the rc and the beta use the same repos
[13:29] <brianski> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic  ?
[13:29] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: could it be because I have swap partition on that HDD?
[13:29] <courpse> Where can i find a torrent for latest cdimage?
[13:30] <wzssyqa> Pici: i found one here http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-dvd-releases/releases/karmic/rc/
[13:30] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip2, dnsmasq eh ..how does it work with an ISP provided router ?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: dont think so, unless you want to wipe the drive clean, then you'll have to use swapoff to deactivate the partition and you can then format it, you will need it unmounted to do this
[13:31] <ActionParsnip2> BluesKaj: you set <IP_ADDRESS> as your first name server, if dnsmasq doesnt know, it will ask the web then learn the IP, next request it will already know the IP so will not need to query the web
[13:31] <wzssyqa> Pici: now 7times fast
[13:31] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, it authenticates then once it tries to establish its association it disconnects
[13:31] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: hm, so any other ideas? It works just fine when mounted, I mean I can browse it and etc.
[13:32] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, i put the ip addresses in the DNS1 and DNS2 blanks, do i need something in "DNS domain & Search domain"
[13:32] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: thats good but if you want to install to it, it needs to be unmounted.
[13:32] <domjohnson> Be back soon!
[13:34] <Jimmio> Hey all. Seems I didn't export my private key before installing Ubuntu 9.10... How do I decrypt my files?
[13:35] <Nukeador> Hi there
[13:35] <Nukeador> Which is the default font family in Ubuntu 9.10? I saw some screenshots and it looks better
[13:36] <RanDom33> i can connect to the router... it authenticates, but then it disconnects when it tries to associate
[13:36] <RamunasM> anyone lse have any ideas? The installer seems to see both hdd, but only shows partitions from the SATA one, not IDE
[13:37] <RamunasM> *else
[13:37] <RamunasM> hdd's
[13:39] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, do i need to put something in the "DNS domain blank.. and the Search domain blank"
[13:39] <BluesKaj> RanDom33, I don't but your situation is different
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip2, this is a bit beyond my scope now , can you help us with RanDom33 question.
[13:40] <RanDom33> BluesKaj, thank you
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm I hope hes not looking for the ide drive on /dev/hd## when it should be on /dev/sd##
[13:41] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, i am trying to setup a static ip address on my wireless interface. I have since setup wicd. I set ip to <IP_ADDRESS>, netmask to <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:42] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, set gateway to <IP_ADDRESS>, and clicked "use global dns servers" no entries in dns domain or search domain, put <IP_ADDRESS> in the DNS1 blank, and <IP_ADDRESS> in the dns2 blank
[13:42] <ActionParsnip2> RanDom33: if you want static I, you can use /etc/network/interfaces
[13:42] <melter> if i started with the oldest ubuntu version i could find (4.10?) and kept doing dist upgrades, would i eventually have a fully updated and functional computer?
[13:43] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, that is what I had it setup as, however I wanted the ability to have drop down menu as well
[13:43] <RanDom33> ActionParsnip2, i just deleted my conf in there, and installed wicd
[13:43] <SwedeMike> melter: supposedly yes, but it wont be the same as doing a fresh install with the latest version.
[13:44] <melter> SwedeMike: it'd be an interesting experiment :)
[13:44] <jdu> melter: there would be some cruft and it would not include developments like grub, ext4
[13:44] <melter> interesting
[13:44] <joaopinto> it will be painful :P
[13:45] <jdu> melter: I did that between 6.08 and 8.04 on one computer, before I decided it was best just to keep a separate /home and reinstall over /
[13:52] <suris> hello, how i can enable dual screen? drivers was installed for both video cards by koala installation, but only one monitor shows in Display preferences.
[13:55] <ActionParsnip2> !dualhead
[13:55] <RamunasM> can anyone explain this: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png ?
[13:56] <fixxxermet> My desktop is 9.04.  I have a local apt-mirror mirroring 9.04 and 9.10 main, restricted, universe and multiverse.  Can I upgrade to 9.10 using my local mirror?
[13:56] <fixxxermet> Not mirroring src
[13:57] <ActionParsnip2> RamunasM: is there a refresh button in gparted?
[13:57] <RamunasM> ActionParsnip2: yup, tried it. The installer uses gparted I assume, and can't see the partitions either
[13:57] <RamunasM> so I'm stuck on this live cd
[13:58] <ikt> wru 9.10 party chan
[13:59] <om26er> fixxxermet, yes
[13:59] <Pici> ikt: #ubuntu-release-party
[13:59] <ikt> TY!
[13:59] <ikt> I have nfi why it doesn't show up in chan search
[13:59] <courpse> How do i execute a install disk from inside CLI?
[14:01] <suris2> !xorg
[14:01] <Guest56719> i see how to `officially` upgrade from 8.04 & 9.04, but I'm on 8.10 - how do i do that?
[14:02] <Pici> Guest56719: Upgrade to 9.04 first
[14:03] <Guest56719> Pici: I see, that seems a pain in the a*** - but hey
[14:03] <SandGorgon> i'm having frequent problems in Karmic of my external USB mouse locking up - dmesg doesnt show anything interesting. I did not have this problem in any distro since 8.04. Anyway of debugging this ?
[14:03] <kaddi> hi, I just noticed my sound in skype has vanished. How can I get it back?
[14:03] <RamunasM> anyone has any ideas why gparted doesn't want to see my partitions? Or a way to figure why its not seeing it?
[14:04] <RamunasM> hm, when I start gparted from terminal I get: "Can't have overlapping partitions."
[14:04] <bjsnider> here's a couple of gnome-shell observations:
[14:04] <RamunasM> any ideas what does that mean
[14:04] <bjsnider> windows never need to be minimized when you use gnome-shell
[14:05] <nitrofurano> hi there!
[14:05] <bjsnider> when you're in "overview mode", the screensaver is delayed, but immediately takes over when you return to viewing one desktop port
[14:06] <nitrofurano> i updated to Karmic, which seems to come with xsplash on boot - this is not bad, but it lacks configurability for people don't want it running
[14:06] <RamunasM> is there a way to install karmic without using gparted for partitioning?
[14:07] <nitrofurano> i renamed /usr/bin/xsplash to /usr/bin/xsplash_ - but i think i think i will get xsplash back again in the next update - how can i disable xplash from settings?
[14:07] <courpse> Hello, i need to know how to start an install for alternative CD iso in tty.
[14:13] <joaopinto> RamunasM, you can just create the partitions manually using fdisk/mkfs
[14:14] <courpse> Is there anyway of starting a update from tty* from a mounted iso?
[14:15] <RamunasM> courpse: I assume you need to add the cd to the sources.list and do dist-upgrade?
[14:15] <RamunasM> joaopinto: the partitions are already there, but gparted(and installer) just can't see them
[14:15] <joaopinto> RamunasM, can you list them with fdisk -l from the terminal ?
[14:16] <RamunasM> joaopinto: yup
[14:17] <joaopinto> so it's an installer bug, please make sure you report it at launchpad
[14:17] <courpse> Every time i try to do something, it says readonly file system.
[14:17] <RamunasM> joaopinto: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png
[14:17] <RamunasM> sure, got a link?
[14:18] <joaopinto> Ranakah, from the livecd: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:18] <joaopinto> assuming you have an internet connection
[14:18] <Ranakah> OMG
[14:18] <joaopinto> RamunasM, you might need the alternate cd, since that uses a different installer
[14:18] <Ranakah> :D
[14:19] <RamunasM> joaopinto: but this is weird, it works just fine if I use my SATA hdd, but this one is regular IDE
[14:20] <joaopinto> RamunasM, that is odd :\
[14:20] <RamunasM> indeed
[14:20] <joaopinto> actually it is more likely to be a bug on ligparted
[14:20] <joaopinto> ops, ibparted
[14:20] <joaopinto> erm lib
[14:21] <RamunasM> joaopinto: when I start gparted from terminal I get: "Can't have overlapping partitions."
[14:21] <RamunasM> joaopinto: so it could be something wrong at my side? But nothing changed since my last install
[14:21] <RamunasM> and I still have a working 8.10 setup on it
[14:21] <joaopinto> RamunasM, try the text mode: parted
[14:21] <joaopinto> sudo parted
[14:21] <joaopinto> list
[14:22] <courpse> RamunasM, I get erro saying read only file system, how do i get to a real bash tty, and now a maintaince shell that doesnt allow me to write files?
[14:22] <hikenboot> hello can anyone tell me if the ubuntu+1 alternatives cd contains the same quick boot features of the desktop version
[14:23] <joaopinto> hikenboot, the quick boot "feature" is the regular install, both desktop and alternate cds will provide that if you do a regular install
[14:23] <Omar87> Hi all.
[14:23] <kaddi> i'm trying to get skype to work on karmic.. it says: bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) all the time and skype does no longer record what I say
[14:23] <mzz> hikenboot: the installed system will be equivalent. I don't understand what "quick boot features" you want the installer itself to have.
[14:23] <joaopinto> kaddi, that error is not related to the problem per si, unless you are using a BT device
[14:23] <kaddi> I'm not...
[14:24] <joaopinto> kaddi, if you disabled the bluetooth service you need to apt-get purge bluez-alsa
[14:24] <RamunasM> joaopinto: I believe its not list, but print actually, and its says the same, overlapping partitions
[14:24] <hikenboot> sorry didnt mean the installer i meant after i install it on a raid/lvm setup and install the desktop will the desktop boot as quickly as if i had installed it with the desktop cd?
[14:24] <joaopinto> RamunasM, ok, so something is wrong with your partition config...
[14:24] <kaddi> joaopinto: what else could I try... I'm running it with padsp that gives me at least some sound, even though it's distorted
[14:24] <joaopinto> hikenboot, the results of installing from alternate or desktop are exactly the same
[14:25] <hikenboot> ok thanks joaopinto
[14:25] <joaopinto> kaddi, have you checked the sound settings, set the input device, and you see the level changing as you speak ?
[14:25] <joaopinto> I mean, the system sound settings, not skype
[14:25] <Omar87> I had this problem while trying to upgrade my 9.10 install: "Could not download the upgrades" and here are the details: http://pastebin.ca/1646500
[14:25] <cxo> How do you tell X not to load up when you boot up?
[14:25] <Omar87> What's the matter?
[14:25] <cxo> Like runlevel 3 on redhat?
[14:25] <cxo> network + multi-user + no gui
[14:26] <RamunasM> joaopinto: got any ideas? http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/43/screenshotbv.png I have a swap partition, Windows partition, 7gb root partition and 60gb for /home
[14:26] <RamunasM> is there anything obviously wrong with my setup
[14:27] <mzz> cxo: that's one thing that I'm not sure how to do in the new upstart-enabled world. I suspect you could mess around with the "start on" rules in /etc/init/gdm.conf though.
[14:28] <duffydack> RamunasM, isnt extended supposed to start at sda4 and all logical sda5+ afterwards?
[14:28] <duffydack> RamunasM, thats the only thing i see, tho i`m not nerd
[14:29] <kaddi> joaopinto: where do I check that. I only have something called "multimedia" in my systemsettings. I can set the different devices, but I see no place where I could see the input level of my mic
[14:29] <duffydack> RamunasM, ah yes, swap is overlapping your extended
[14:29] <RamunasM> duffydack: so I should remove swap?
[14:30] <joaopinto> duffydack, can't the swap be contained on the extended, like te other parts do ?
[14:31] <duffydack> RamunasM, id just redo it myself, sda1 linux /  then extended and fill with logicals.
[14:31] <duffydack> joaopinto, as I i`m not a nerd enough....no idea.
[14:31] <joaopinto> he has an extended wihc contains both the swap and /
[14:31] <dmatt> RamunasM: swap could be placed in extended, no problem
[14:31] <joaopinto> I am not sure that is invalid
[14:32] <joaopinto> RamunasM, even if you fix it you should file a bug report, and attach the fdisk output, it seems valid to me
[14:32] <RamunasM> joaopinto: / is sda1
[14:32] <dmatt> RamunasM: delete and recreate those partitions, sometjhing went wrong when you created it (what tool did you use for it, anyway?)
[14:33] <joaopinto> oh, so you have another linux part, /home ?
[14:33] <RamunasM> yes, the sda5 is /home
[14:33] <joaopinto> dmatt, I don't see anything wrong on that setup :)
[14:33] <ebb> is it just me or do other ppl keep refreshing the ubuntu hp ?
[14:33] <RamunasM> dmatt: I used gparted, when I installed 8.10
[14:33] <joaopinto> he has a primary /, and an extended containing /home and swap
[14:34] <duffydack> "extended" there is the extended part of the disk and I didnt think you could make primary partitions in in, only logical
[14:34] <thiebaude> ebb, what is hp?
[14:34] <ebb> homepage
[14:34] <joaopinto> duffydack, isn't swap a logical partition ?
[14:35] <joaopinto> i mean, it can be
[14:36] <mattgyver> Im already on an ext4 fs on 9.04, when i upgrade to 9.10 are there any other items (aside from grub2) that will not be setup during the upgrade process which I must do manually?
[14:36] <mercutio22> I can't interact with flash since the latest update. I mean... I can't play or pause, select videos etc
[14:36] <thiebaude> ebb, no problem here
[14:36] <dmatt> RamunasM, joaopinto sorry I made mistake, it is OK
[14:36] <ebb> oh i cant help refreshing every 5 mins
[14:36] <RamunasM> so, you see anything else wrong?
[14:36] <mercutio22> is there a fix already?
[14:36] <duffydack> joaopinto, well I dunno.. Ive always understood logicals start at #5 and #4 is the extended part they live in
[14:36] <joaopinto> mattgyver, nope, grub2 is the only corner case, afaik
[14:37] <duffydack> joaopinto, but Ive never tried to do anything complicated with partition setup.. just a basic / /home and swap
[14:37] <mattgyver> thanks joaopinto
[14:38] <duffydack> joaopinto, / primary (sda1) -extended- (sda4) and /home logical (sda5) swap (sda6)  for ex.
[14:39] <duffydack> joaopinto, /home and swap filling up extended
[14:39] <jpiche> i've been using karmic for a while, but recently re-installed with it, and now don't have a gui for services anymore. is there something I missed, or is anyone else seeing this?
[14:39] <duffydack> I try and keep things as simple for myself as posiible :)
[14:39] <dmatt> RamunasM: do you have old livecd for ubuntu 8.10, where you did partitioning - try if it steal recognises it correctly
[14:40] <dmatt> omg, steal =still
[14:40] <RamunasM> dmatt: I still have 8.10 installed
[14:40] <RamunasM> so I guess I could boot into it and check
[14:42] <RamunasM> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/462666
[14:42] <dmatt> Rajasun: if it works, then there is a change on side of gparted, if not than something is worng with actual partition data on disk
[14:42] <RamunasM> dmatt: wrong person, but yes ;]
[14:43] <dmatt> RamunasM: tab completion, you know...
[14:44] <RamunasM> okay, rebooting into my regular 8.10 setup
[14:44] <RamunasM> brb
[14:44] <Ubee> On the release date, will I receive a email asking me to upgrade to Karmic Koala from Jaunty Jackolobe?
[14:45] <Ubee> Will the upgrade be a multi-step process or can I upgrade easily in a few steps?
[14:46] <Pici> Ubee: It'll be as simple as going into the update-manager and clicking on a button, then you'll just need to wait for it to download and install the updates.
[14:46]  * mzz was going to reply "yes"
[14:47] <Ubee> I will not need to have a disc? It will update smoothly and quickly?
[14:47] <Pici> Ubee: As long as you have an internet connection.
[14:48] <Ubee> From your viewpoint, how will Karmic Koala be different from Jaunty Jackalobe?
[14:48] <joaopinto> it will be a long update :P
[14:48] <Ubee> a long update?
[14:49] <Ubee> jaopinto why?
[14:49] <Pici> The download will take a long time on release day since everyone is trying to get it at once.
[14:50] <Ubee> pici, I understand now. Will it be released at a certain time?
[14:50] <ebb> The torrent will be better download
[14:50] <Pici> Ubee: Nope, its out when its done.
[14:50] <RamunasM> it seems it my setup after all
[14:50] <RamunasM> gparted on 8.10 is not working either
[14:50] <cowgarden> hi, how comes my windows drive changed its name when i updated? (have to read in my music library again)
[14:51] <cowgarden> and does anyone know how to set the mouse speed/acceleration beyond limits?
[14:52] <cowgarden> (limits of the gui)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> RamunasM, download the GParted live cd iso and burn it , then you can partition at will outside the OS
[14:53] <mzz> cowgarden: the xinput commandline tool can probably do that
[14:53] <mzz> cowgarden: (although if you do it that way you have to arrange for that to run on login)
[14:53] <cowgarden> RamunasM, ubuntu live CD should have gparted too (that way you have a usefull live CD later on and did not waste the CD somehow)
[14:53] <dmatt> RamunasM: backup and create it from the scratch (you can have the same structure of patitions...)
[14:54] <cowgarden> mzz, ok, sounds possible :) does it replace the current settings or is that what is set by the gui, too?
[14:54] <RamunasM> good thing I have a TB drive on sata ;]
[14:54] <mzz> cowgarden: I'm not entirely sure how the new xinput properties and the old core mouse acceleration interact, or which the gui sets
[14:54] <BluesKaj> cowgarden, does iot have the latest GParted version , the one that can format a partition to ext4 ?
[14:55] <Scotchy> hi, why does karmic almost freeze when using swap ?
[14:55] <mzz> trick question! it doesn't
[14:55] <Scotchy> everything becomes sooo slow it isn't even possible to move the mouse correctly
[14:55] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, since the new ubuntu supports ext4 by default its gparted should do so too. however it might not be the latest version.
[14:55] <mzz> Scotchy: if you're doing a single task that needs more ram than you physically have it'll be really slow, but that isn't new
[14:56] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, but I'm no expert ;)
[14:57] <Flynsarmy> Anyone else experiencing the message received sound in pidgin getting screwed up in karmic?
[14:58] <jeansch> Hi, i have a question about ecryptfs: can 'root' user mount my crypted home directory without my passphrase ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> cowgarden, having a separateGParted live cd is very useful , no need to have whole OS on it
[14:59] <harikumar> when 9.10 is released, is it possible to change from beta without reinstalling the os?
[14:59] <cowgarden> BluesKaj, hm, maybe you are right, I'd just enjoy ubuntu *plus* gparted more
[14:59] <joaopinto> !final | harikumar
[14:59] <harikumar> how to get a console
[15:00] <joaopinto> harikumar, open a terminal ?
[15:00] <joaopinto> you can also go to the graphical update manager
[15:00] <joaopinto> System -> Admin -> Update manager
[15:00] <RamunasM> if you don't know how to open terminal, why are you running test versions?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> RamunasM, let's not get judgemental here.
[15:01] <RamunasM> will try, sorry :)
[15:01] <harikumar> okay...thanx....
[15:02] <Plugh> I think I've run across a minor bug with 9.10 beta. When I boot either my laptop or desktop that have Windows in partition 1 formatted to NTFS, the system always complains on system start that it can't find fsck.ntfs
[15:04] <jeansch> i have my answer, for thoses interested, the home can be automaticaly mount on login because pam use the password to unlock the ecryptfs passphrase
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Plugh, can you mount NTFS in Linux ?
[15:08] <Plugh> BluesKaj: Sure you can. I do it all the time.
[15:08] <mzz> sure, but ntfs-3g doesn't install a fsck.ntfs
[15:08] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm asking you if you can
[15:09] <Mandrew> how do i find computers on the network running OSX?
[15:09] <joaopinto> I had the same issue, there is no fsck.ntfs
[15:09] <mzz> I haven't seen that complaint though, and I do have an ntfs partition
[15:09] <mzz> is your ntfs listed in fstab or something?
[15:09] <joaopinto> mzz, it is , the problem is during mountall
[15:09] <mzz> ah, that makes sense, mine isn't
[15:10] <Flynsarmy> Why does amixer set 'Master' 75% unmute no longer work in karmic?
[15:10] <Plugh> BluesKaj: Yes. My system still mounts my windows partition on boot and I have no problem accessing the partition from Ubuntu
[15:10] <mzz> oh, do you have 0 for the 5th and 6th field in fstab for that partition?
[15:11] <Plugh> Blues, it is just complaining that the fsck.ntfs program isn't found
[15:11] <mzz> Flynsarmy: probably because pulse is controlling (resetting) the alsa volume
[15:13]  * BluesKaj wonders why would a file system check be necessary every bootup
[15:13] <Plugh> well... that would be another issue but its something that Fedora has done for a long time and it seems to be part of Ubuntu as well.
[15:13] <DonaldShimoda> hi anybody cannot use flashplayer?
[15:14] <bjsnider> flash works perfectly here
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> buttons or actions dont work in flashplayer for me, anybody else?
[15:14] <RomD> no problem here
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, ok...
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> s***
[15:14] <mzz> DonaldShimoda: heard someone else mention the same, but it mysteriously went away again
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> can please tell me wich version do you have installed?
[15:14] <DonaldShimoda> mzz, ok thanks for the info
[15:15] <bjsnider> latest on x64
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> im on 64 bits btw
[15:15] <RomD> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:15] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda, what browser?
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, he, latest fro wich repo, i think mediubuntu repo is the problem
[15:15] <bjsnider> just dropped the plugin into /usr/lib/Mozilla/plugins
[15:15] <bjsnider> or whatever
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, firefox 3.5
[15:15] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, i really prefer keep clean my install
[15:15] <bjsnider> medibuntu? what does that have to do with anything?
[15:15] <mzz> I should be running <IP_ADDRESS> (32 bits ubuntu) through flashplugin-installer
[15:16] <bjsnider> DonaldShimoda, just install the ubuntu-restricted-extras package and you'll be fine
[15:16] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, are you nervous? calm down, i think flash player download from medibuntu
[15:16] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, if i dont install it i dont have flasher... so ...
[15:16] <Plugh> DonaldShimoda: How free of 32 bit stuff is your install? I've tried to use 64-bit versions of a Linux system and usually ran in to a problem when I want to keep it 100% free of 32-bit packages
[15:17] <DonaldShimoda> Plugh, i dont install nothing 32 bits
[15:17]  * Dr_Willis laughs at the topic...
[15:18] <bjsnider> yes i'm nervous. jj arbams wants to kill me after i successfully lobbied paramount to stop making star trek movies
[15:18] <DonaldShimoda> bjsnider, lol
[15:18] <Plugh> DonaldShimoda: ok. Once I get the latest Ubuntu running fully on my machine in 32-bit I will try a 64 bit version of it later on.
[15:18] <RomD> does anyone know how I can run a script on startup? I tried adding "./scripts/autostart.sh" to the startup applications, but it doesn't seem to work.
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> ive been using 64bit ubuntu for some time now on 3 machunes. with very few issues
[15:19] <Dr_Willis> RomD:  what is the script supposed to do? You proberly want to use the FULL path not ./whatever/ for starters
[15:19] <DonaldShimoda> me too
[15:19] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda,  also install ia32-libs , otherwise you will have probs ...I run 64 bit karmic and flash and java work fine
[15:20] <Plugh> Dr_Willis: the usual problems I have are with flash, adobe reader, and real audio player programs not available for 64-bit.
[15:20] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, alreadyn installed
[15:20] <RomD> right Dr_Willis, I don't know why I added the dot there. should be "/scripts/autostart.sh". do I need to add "sh" in front of it?
[15:20] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, the toruble is flash dont get ANY click of my mouse! very weird...
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> I have had very few issues with flash, java, or adobe reader. -  and ive not needed realplayer in years. :)
[15:20] <Dr_Willis> RomD:  if the script is executable and starts with #!/bin/sh   No you wouldent need to
[15:21] <RomD> it is
[15:21] <RomD> I'll try thanks Dr_Willis
[15:21] <BluesKaj> DonaldShimoda, like bjsnider said install ubuntu-restricted-extras package as well
[15:21] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, already installed....
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> DonaldShimoda:  ive heard of that issue here lately also..   but not really experienced it.
[15:22] <om26er_> this song is dedicated to Karmic Koala  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBeAP8EZ9Lc
[15:22] <DonaldShimoda> the only thing dont working is clicks
[15:22] <DonaldShimoda> :(
[15:22] <BluesKaj> fancy nmouse ?
[15:22] <Plugh> Dr_Willis: It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Ubuntu has figured out how to do it right. I was totally impressed with how well (and how easily) it installed on my laptop. I mainly use real player for some Internet radio stations.
[15:23] <DonaldShimoda> BluesKaj, good theory, but it work on the system
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> Only time i hear Realplayer mentioned these days  - is people trying to watch baseball it seems. :)
[15:24] <Dr_Willis> all the realplayer vidoes ive found/downloaded ive managed to play in vlc/mplayer
[15:24] <Plugh> I don't use real player for video
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Plugh, VLC handle internet radio very well too , better than all others so far that i've used ...haven't done realplayer tho...I have an aversion to it after my windows experiences "
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> Im actually suprised anyone still uses real player..
[15:26] <DonaldShimoda> amazing...
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> The company was such a 'big name' for so long.. now itss just a 'oh yea i rember them...'
[15:26] <DonaldShimoda> i cant see pflash animations... but dont have installed the package flashplayer-nonfree!
[15:27] <DonaldShimoda> so, i installed and work now!
[15:29] <sfears> i'm having some trouble with ndiswrapper & restricted drivers manager.   Will anyone try and help me find some info?  ndiswrapper & pcmcia drivers are installed but i still have nothing
[15:29] <kn100> is ubuntu one working yet?
[15:30] <legend2440> kn100: not for me
[15:30] <RomD> I can't edit startup application entries after adding them. I change something, hit save and it shows the updated entry. after closing and reopening the update is gone. can anyone confirm this?
[15:31] <kn100> the online part of it works perfectly
[15:31] <BluesKaj> RomD, did you click apply :)
[15:32] <RomD> BluesKaj: where?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> dunno, you on gnome ?
[15:32] <RomD> yes
[15:32] <RomD> I open the "startup applications preferences"
[15:33] <RomD> click edit on an entry, change it, click save, close the app, open it again and the changes are gone
[15:33] <Plugh> bbl
[15:33] <RomD> I have to remove the entry and add a new one to get it permanently saved
[15:35] <jpiche> anyone else missing a "Services" admin gui?
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> I dident notice there was one...
[15:35] <beniamino> i've just upgraded to karmic, and my root partition is not mounted during boot. i get dropped to a busybox shell. the error is 'gave up waiting for root device' but the device itself seems to be ok (/dev/sda1). the problem seems to be that theres no symlink in /dev/disks/by-uuid for the root partition. can i just create that symlink myself?
[15:35] <bjsnider> jpiche, that was removed
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Services are getting moved slowly to Upstart. some are still handled by the SYSV type system
[15:35] <bjsnider> that gui tool no longer applies
[15:35] <jpiche> i see
[15:36] <jpiche> so.... anyone know how to have apache2 not start by default then?
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> edit its /etc/init/whatever file - if its handled by upstart
[15:36] <jpiche> update-rc.d apache2 remove seems to fail, and a gui would be nice for that
[15:36] <Dr_Willis> update-rc.d is for the sysv system . not upstart
[15:37] <om26er_> Dr_Willis, you really don't rest man. i always see you here helping people. great job.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> one file in /etc/init  proberly handles it all
[15:37] <jpiche> ah, okay. thanks
[15:37] <bjsnider> om26er_, he's an android programmed by canonical
[15:37]  * Dr_Willis is just looking for a nice fembot to compile kernels with.
[15:37] <Dr_Willis> :P
[15:38] <om26er_> talking about android. android 2.0 is out
[15:39] <legend2440> !cookie | Dr_Willis do bots eat cookies?
[15:39] <Pici> !botsnack
[15:39] <om26er_> how is ubottu speaking
[15:40] <om26er_> lol
[15:40] <bjsnider> ubottu is actually lisa lampanelli
[15:40] <bjsnider> she likes to hang around here
[15:43] <om26er_> nautilus should also show video previews in it
[15:43] <om26er_> karmic can release in 3 hours
[15:43] <om26er_> or 20 hours
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> see topic. every time someone aks.. it gets delayed a day
[15:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:44] <Pici> !party
[15:45] <Pici> !party =~ s/Jaunty/Karmic/
[15:46] <legend2440> whats the next releases codename?  lumpy llama?
[15:46] <Pici> ...
[15:46] <Pici> !lucid
[15:47] <RamunasM> lucid will have lynx as a primary browser? :P
[15:49] <Out_Cold> lynx lol
[15:49] <Out_Cold> i actually prefer links over linx
[15:49] <Out_Cold> *lynx
[15:51] <Dr_Willis> dilo
[15:52] <chazco> Ubuntu 9.10 fixes many bugs for me (finally)... one more can be fixed by modifying an fdi file... can I submit the change anywhere so others can benefit?
[15:52] <chazco> Would prefer not the have to join launchpad if possible
[15:53] <Kazagistar> karmic has updated to the newest eclipse version, very cool... where exactly am I supposed to extract a plugin that is released in zip file format only?
[15:53] <kn100> chazco; what is the bug?
[15:53] <chazco> kn100 - The evtouch package causes a total system freeze with some touch screens. A bug exists but is marked as fixed...
[15:54] <kn100> chazco; what bug is this?
[15:54] <chazco> https://launchpad.net/bugs/368135
[15:55] <chazco> I'm going to try a full reinstall soon (probably on the final release) - i'll find out if it's been fixed using some other method then i guess
[15:56] <chazco> At any rate, aside from the poor login process 9.10 looks like a great upgrade :)
[15:56] <montamer> hi, how is ext4 support in Karmic?? .... Im planning to install a fresh copy of karmic ..... before i had to reinstall jaunty on ext3 from ext4 as i had very frequent crashes with jaunty on ext4
[15:57] <kn100> montamer; afaik the 'crash on empty bin' bug was fixed in jaunty so i suppose it probably carried over to karmic
[15:57] <tj83__> so after tomorrow, we gonna start talking about Lucid Lynx in here?
[15:57] <leaf-sheep> tj83__: You can find out tomorrow.
[15:58] <tj83__> lol leaf-sheep
[15:58] <ukev> hi, netzworkmanager-openvpn does not connect, anyone where it works in karmic?
[15:58] <beniamino> wow, karmic is the first ubuntu to really bork my system
[15:58] <montamer> @kn100 so is ext4 still problematic?? ....
[15:59] <kn100> montamer; well, I have been running ext4 for nearly a year now, and ever since that bug was fixed its been plain sailing
[15:59] <joaopinto> beniamino, and your question is ?
[15:59]  * tj83__ doesnt think he will stick with ext4 just yet. personal opinion, seen too many problems through and up to release
[16:00] <beniamino> joaopinto: my quesiton was above -- no-one answered it
[16:00] <leaf-sheep> Ubuntu is thrilling on the bleeding edge. If you fear problems, you should be using Hardy on ext3. Otherwise, take a leap of faith. ext4 works great for me.
[16:00] <beniamino> i've just upgraded to karmic, and my root partition is not mounted during boot. i get dropped to a busybox shell. the error is 'gave up waiting for root device' but the device itself seems to be ok (/dev/sda1). the problem seems to be that theres no symlink in /dev/disks/by-uuid for the root partition. can i just create that symlink myself?
[16:00] <ukev> I get this error when trying to connect  to a vpn: http://pastebin.ca/1646609
[16:02] <montamer> @kn100  k ... its time to move to ext4 then :) ... i hope i wont face any problems like in jaunty
[16:02] <kn100> montamer; good luck :D
[16:02] <joaopinto> beniamino, no, /dev is recreated by the kernel at each boot
[16:03] <bullgard4> Can I hope that Karmic final release will include SeaMonkey 2.0?  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.0
[16:03] <beniamino> do you know why udev would fail to create a symlink for a particular partiion?
[16:06] <leaf-sheep> !info seamonkey karmic | bullgard4
[16:06] <bigbrovar>  on kubuntu ￼ karmic ￼ its either i make a skype call or listen to music i cant do both at the same time. Hope this is fixed b4 final release
[16:08] <leaf-sheep> bigbrovar: The final release is tomorrow. You only can hope... or you only can try and figure out how to fix the issue right now.
[16:08] <vega-> i have this prob in karmic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ubiquity/+bug/408292 any ideas on how to fix it? /etc/default/console-setup is correct but still keyb layout resets to US
[16:08] <bullgard4> leaf-sheep:   hm. What information do you want to convey?
[16:09] <leaf-sheep> bullgard4: What do you mean? The version in Karmic is 1.1.17 for Seamonkey.
[16:09] <bullgard4> leaf-sheep: Thank you, sir.
[16:11] <RamunasM> this chan is better than TV, loads of action, no ads, and loads of new info :)
[16:11] <bigbrovar> leaf-sheep> that is really encouraging I mean why would anyone fcking release a software with this type of bug? is kubuntu really meant for the *average user*
[16:12] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, you understand that the problem is specific to skype, and you should be complaining to them instead, right ?
[16:12] <om26er> bigbrovar, do you think yourself as an average user?
[16:12] <om26er> bigbrovar, think your self as advance user man
[16:13] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> unfortunately its not just skype man .. vlc, amarok,gmpc flash videos, are affected ..
[16:13] <bigbrovar> u can only use one sound device at a time
[16:13] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, so please search for bug reports on launchpad, I am not aware of such a serious bug affecting Kubuntu in general
[16:13] <bigbrovar> its a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/447844
[16:14] <ripps> bigbrovar: I don't use kde, does it use pulseaudio?
[16:14] <beniamino> is there a channel where people who understand udev/the boot process in ubuntu hang out?
[16:14] <ripps> it sounds like your experiencing a limitation with alsa that was fixed with pulse
[16:14] <CShadowRun> Anyone here who knows how to use xmodmap?
[16:14] <bigbrovar> its a slap on kubuntu users that such a serious bug is confirmed, but unassigned and undecided
[16:15] <bigbrovar> ripps: kubuntu doesnt ship pulse audio
[16:15] <ripps> CShadowRun: have you tried `man xmodmap`?
[16:15] <CShadowRun> yea, and i've read tutorials, i can't figure out what file i'm supposed to edit to apply my changes, or even how to make said changes
[16:16] <CShadowRun> i've been going at it for about a day now and this laptop is going back to it's owner in an hour
[16:16] <joaopinto> bigbrovar, you may be right but this is not the proper place to address such concerns, this is a support channel ;)
[16:16] <CShadowRun> so if nobody can help me with it, it's not going to get fixed
[16:16] <RomD> ~/.Xmodmap
[16:16] <CShadowRun> blank file
[16:17] <RomD> yes it is, so you should add some lines
[16:17] <CShadowRun> ok
[16:17] <CShadowRun> so i need to bind keycode 133 to something that's actually usable
[16:17] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> yeah i was hoping that one here has a work around
[16:17] <RomD> keycode 133 = Escape
[16:17] <RomD> for example
[16:17] <yofel_> beniamino: what's your question? Maybe we can help. (Some of the devs are here too)
[16:18] <bigbrovar> joaopinto> might be better if a kubuntu+1 channel is created
[16:19] <drs305> CShadowRun: If you need to get the codes, run "xev" in a terminal. It will show the code for any key you type while the cursor is in the "xev" box.
[16:19] <RomD> CShadowRun: if it helps, here's my xmodmap file: http://pastebin.com/med11bb0
[16:19] <CShadowRun> yea, i have the keycode for the key from xev, it's 133
[16:19] <CShadowRun> i've done keycode 133 = Super_L
[16:19] <ripps> bigbrovar: there's nothing wrong with kubuntu, the problem is with alsa and your soundcard. This issue is well known and is why pulseaudio was created in the first place. kde used to use arts, but I'm pretty sure that pulseaudio works with kde4.
[16:19] <beniamino> yofel_: question was above :-( i upgraded to karmic, and now my root partition isn't recognised. i get dropped to busybox with 'gave up waiting for root device'. and when i look in /dev/disk/by-uuid, there is no symlink for the root drive. so it seems that the symlink is not being created. i can mount the root device within busybox, so it doesn't seem corrupt
[16:20] <CShadowRun> and then relogged, and loaded the xmodmap file
[16:20] <CShadowRun> but it's still not bindable in keyboard shortcuts
[16:20] <RomD> you have to to "clear Mod4" and then "add Mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L"
[16:20] <RomD> take a look at my file
[16:20] <CShadowRun> oh nice :)
[16:21] <RomD> if you change the modifiers you have to clean them, to the binding and add them again
[16:21] <amgarchIn9> what is the shortcut to minimize a window? Is there any?
[16:21] <RomD> to = do
[16:21] <joaopinto> beniamino, have you searched launchpad.net for bug reports ?
[16:21] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:21] <drs305> CShadowRun: If you just have one key to designate, you can put it in a script in Startup Applications. This is the line in my script:  xmodmap -e 'keycode 82=Tab'
[16:22] <courpse> Any ideas?
[16:22] <beniamino> joaopinto: yeah, there is a similar report here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:22] <RomD> amgarchIn9: peferences -> keyboard shortcuts or use compiz
[16:22] <beniamino> but that solution doesn't work for me
[16:22] <bigbrovar> ripps> dude there is nothing wrong with my soundcard mate, its same i used on jaunty (which worked without a problem) (also i use a dell ubuntu with all open standard hardware) this bug was introduced by an update during the release cycle
[16:22] <joaopinto> beniamino, did you disable GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID ?
[16:23] <jmcantrell> are there any issues with using ext4 and luks?
[16:23] <RomD> I'm always getting 3 to 6 amixer zombies. does anyone know how to fix this? http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8701/amixer.jpg
[16:23] <joaopinto> ripps, no, the problem is not related with alsa at all, please read the bug report
[16:23] <bigbrovar> ripps> there is defo some things not right in kubuntu for this problem in the first place no point blaming my hardware
[16:23] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:23] <CShadowRun> RomD, i loaded your file, keycode 133 is still unbound
[16:24] <RomD> CShadowRun: that's strange, works fine for me. have you tried "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" ?
[16:24] <joaopinto> beniamino, if you are using GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID, the problem can't be UUID related
[16:24] <CShadowRun> yea, still unboundi
[16:24] <CShadowRun> i'll paste the output from xev
[16:24] <freenose> I installed lates RC, doesn't hal was deprecated?
[16:25] <beniamino> joaopinto: i think i didn't have the correct syntax for GRUB_DISABLE.. i just tried again with root=/dev/sda1 and GRUB_DISABLE...=true and now i have a login screent
[16:25] <yofel> freenose: yes, but there are still some things left (like X I think) that need it
[16:26] <CShadowRun> RomD http://pastebin.com/mf586919
[16:26] <freenose> yofel: ah ok
[16:26] <joaopinto> beniamino, great, still if you have the time search for a bug report on launchpad and try to follow it up, you have a work around, not a fix ;)
[16:26] <ripps> joaopinto: your talking about 447844? yeah, from what I can tell is that pulse isn't working so kde is falling back alsa-based xine backend.
[16:26] <beniamino> joaopinto: yeah, i will do
[16:26] <CShadowRun> RomD, that's with your .Xmodmap loaded
[16:27] <beniamino> for the moment, i'll edit grub's config but i will also follow up on the bug
[16:27] <beniamino> thanks
[16:27] <RomD> CShadowRun: your key is bound to iso_level3_shift which is alt_gr
[16:27] <joaopinto> ripps, PA is not used on kubuntu, by default
[16:27] <CShadowRun> i see
[16:28] <dmatt> bigbrovar: i had exactly the same problem with jaunty. fixed it by setting all outputs to PulseAudio
[16:28] <RomD> CShadowRun: what does your xmodmap look like
[16:28] <CShadowRun> it should be bound to Super_L
[16:28] <CShadowRun> exactly the same as yours, i copy pasted it.
[16:28] <RomD> umm, yeah that was supposed to be an example. my keys are totally different to yours
[16:28] <CShadowRun> oh right
[16:28]  * CShadowRun fixes
[16:29] <CShadowRun> i just need to leave add mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L i think
[16:29] <CShadowRun> because by default the key is bound to mod4
[16:29] <Anathema2> I've tried 9.04 on my laptop (Acer Travelmate 5530) but I had issues where my Atheros AR5B91 would lock up for up to a minute at a time, and minimising or maximising windows had a noticible delay too (Radeon Mobility 3400 HD), don't suppose anyone has experience of those pieces of hardware in Karmic? (I use W7 now but I *want* to like Linux)
[16:30] <bigbrovar> dmatt> pulse audio was one of the reason i left gnome in the first place.  like i said i never encountered this on jaunty .. sigh!
[16:31] <joaopinto> PA will get to KDE someday :P you need to go somewhere :P
[16:32] <ripps> joaopinto: alsa has limitation with most hardware where it can only play several streams, that's why esd, arts, jack, and pulse were created. I believe arts was removed in 9.04, so I don't know what you were using jaunty.
[16:32] <CShadowRun> RomD  my file now says clear Mod4, keycode 133 = Super_L, add Mod4 = Super_L Hyper_L
[16:32] <CShadowRun> no dice :(
[16:32] <joaopinto> ripps, erm, i don't have any problem, I was just clarifying bigbrovar's problem
[16:32] <Nukeador> hi there
[16:32] <mbeierl> Anathema2: try the livecd...
[16:33] <ripps> bigbrovar: alsa has limitation with most hardware where it can only play several streams, that's why esd, arts, jack, and pulse were created. I believe arts was removed in 9.04, so I don't know what you were using jaunty.
[16:33] <bigbrovar> ripps> joaopinto> that is what phonon is for mate
[16:33] <Nukeador> I'm getting low volume since I updated to karmic, and the new volume control said it's set to 100%, any ideas how to increase it?
[16:33] <Anathema2> mbeierl: well, there were no GPU related issues when I tried it for 9.04 :|
[16:34] <ripps> bigbrovar: phonon uses relies on a backend to play music. In this case, it's using alsa, when it should be using something else.
[16:34] <mbeierl> Anathema2: the livecd worked but the install behaved differently?
[16:34] <CShadowRun> aha, figured out what's going on here
[16:34] <ukev> I get this error when trying to connect  to a vpn: http://pastebin.ca/1646609
[16:34] <CShadowRun> I need a key that's spare, that's not a modifier key
[16:34] <CShadowRun> To bind to the home button on my laptop
[16:34] <Nukeador> I'm getting low volume since I updated to karmic, and the new volume control said it's set to 100%, any ideas how to increase it?
[16:34] <Anathema2> mbeierl: yes
[16:34] <CShadowRun> since gnome keyboard shortcuts is stupid and won't let you bind super on it's own to menu.
[16:34] <CShadowRun> :)
[16:35] <courpse> When installing off the alternative CD, i keep getting an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system, kernel-package `linux-generic`
[16:36] <mbeierl> Nukeador: Right click on the volume control applet and go to preferences.  There's a slider that allows you to go higher then 100% at the top.  try that
[16:36] <bigbrovar> ripps> u know this is the very thing a user used not be bothered about .. i dont need a have a phd to get somethign as basic as sound to work right on my system. am not eveb talking about complete things here.. just ability to play sound mate
[16:36] <thopiekar> if a device that is listed in lsusb it doesn't mean that the kernel-module is loaded right?
[16:36] <mbeierl> Anathema2: I've heard that before.  where the livecd seems to do things that the install doesn't somehow...
[16:37] <thopiekar> I installed all kernel-modules-* packages except of -alsa and I can't find wlan networks in networkmanager with:
[16:37] <thopiekar> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 148f:2570 Ralink Technology, Corp. 802.11g WiFi
[16:37] <bigbrovar> ripps> my experience with PA on gnome has not been encouraging to say the least at least on kde skype works OOTB and as i said earlier i never had this issue on jaunty (and not even with kubuntu karmic beta)
[16:37] <ripps> bigbrovar: unfortunely, sound is one of the things that has been notorious problematic in most linux distrobutions. Pulse was designed to tie up some things, but alsa is just so damned buggy and inconsitent that it's a nightmare for developers to fix.
[16:38] <Nukeador> mbeierl, yes I tried that, it's all to the right.
[16:38] <CShadowRun> RomD i've got it rebinding, i just need a key to bind now that's unused on the keyboard :)
[16:38] <ripps> bigbrovar: things break in linux, we're trying to help, and it seems that someone filed a bug report, but unfortunetly this bug either only showed up recently or hadn't been reported until now.
[16:39] <CShadowRun> or maybe a way to bind it to a key combo, like super + D
[16:39] <Nukeador> mbeierl, I would like to control all the sliders like the previous volume manager
[16:39] <bigmack83_> i want to lock a user into their home folder, while being able to follow any links in the folder as well. is there a simple way to set this up? im not worried about command access, i dont mind them having access to normal commands
[16:39] <mbeierl> Nukeador: holy jumpin' man!  I just about had a heart attack.    I haven't found that applet yet...
[16:39] <Nukeador> :s
[16:40] <David-T> bigmack83_: 'locking' a user in to their home folder whilst letting them follow links out of their home folder, and running commands outside of their home folder doesn't seem to involve much "locking"
[16:40] <joaopinto> bigmack83_, you would need to use schroot or apparmor, however that would be extremely complex for a desktop setup
[16:40] <CShadowRun> Arrrrrgh, after all that, i got it working in xev.
[16:41] <CShadowRun> And, keyboard shortcuts doesn't notice the change.
[16:41] <joaopinto> you shouldn't be concerned about users running unpreviliged commands, unless you just want to provide a specific service, on that case you don't provide shell acess at all :)
[16:42] <bigmack83_> David-T, well i dont mind them having access to basic commands, but the links only go to a few of the web root files for their sites folders
[16:42] <bigmack83_> joaopinto, well its not for my desktop, it would be on a server installation
[16:43] <bigbrovar> ripps> its really just frustrating even the bug report dont seem to be getting much attention its one of anyone its still marked as undecided ..  its the pain many kubuntu users have to go thru .. wireless effed up, bluetooth effed up, now sound :(
[16:44] <ripps> bigbrovar: you can try some other kde channels, maybe they might know somehthing... try #kde
[16:44] <joaopinto> bigmack83_, check apparmor, you could setup an apparmored ssh profile
[16:45] <David-T> bigmack83_: there are options, but they are complicated.
[16:45] <David-T> and you need to know exactly what you're trying to get out of it...
[16:45] <courpse> No one had problems installing karmic with kernel install errors?
[16:46] <Nukeador> mbeierl, I have just installed gnome-alsa-control and was able to increase the Master F :D
[16:46] <bigbrovar> ripps> know them well there would send me back to (k)ubuntu but i will try
[16:46] <mbeierl> Nukeador: interesting...
[16:47] <mbeierl> Nukeador: what package provides that?
[16:47] <ripps> bigbrovar: sorry, I've told everything I know on the issue, Fedora uses pulse with their kde, the fact that ubuntu doesn't just confuses me.
[16:48] <Nukeador> mbeierl, i went to the software center and search for control under sound category
[16:48] <CShadowRun> Oh well, owner arrived to pick up that laptop, had to send it off with a non-working home key :(
[16:48] <bigmack83_> joaopinto David-T well the basic commands would mostly just be things like using git and other basic commands. they should be able to use commands related to managing a java server (resin) and other than that everything should be browser based.
[16:48] <mbeierl> Nukeador: interesting.  It does not show up in an aptitude search or cmd-not-found suggestion
[16:49] <Nukeador> mbeierl, let me search for the package name
[16:49] <Nukeador> mbeierl, gnome-alsamixer
[16:50] <mbeierl> ok, that's there, thanks
[16:50] <Nukeador> ;)
[16:50] <Nukeador> see you guys
[16:50] <q__> mzz, my sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[16:56] <bigbrovar> ripps> it shouldnt mate (its hard to to think ubuntu hate kde :( ) but thanks for helping out mate really appreciate
[16:56] <AzaTht> is it an feature or an bug that "dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=3GB count=1" creates an 2.1GB large file?
[17:01] <AzaTht> nah, later
[17:02] <q__> can anyone check if his sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed, too? (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[17:03] <q__> (might have happened due to the update to karmic)
[17:03] <XDevHald> Anyone know how to automatically set the nick on irssi upon startup without having to change it all the time?
[17:05] <sam007> can anyone tell me wheter the wlan chipset ralin rt2680 driver problem coressponded in Bug #339891 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/339891) is fixed with the new 9.10 release? it would be very nice to know
[17:06] <RamunasM> hey, I finally managed to install karmic, but now grub is telling me: Error 2
[17:06] <RamunasM> and there seems to be no menu.lst file
[17:06] <yofel> sam007: I've got a rt2860 in my EeePC 1000H and it works fine in Kubuntu Karmic
[17:06] <RamunasM> so what do I do with this new grub?
[17:07] <yofel> (with WPA2-PSK)
[17:07] <sam007> yofel thank you
[17:07] <yofel> !grub2 | RamunasM
[17:09] <RamunasM> yofel: got any suggestions how to fix error 2?
[17:10] <mesual> Is anyone else here having wireless problems with a RT2860 Ralink Wi-Fi card?
[17:10] <mesual> Such as unstable and slow connections or packet loss?
[17:11] <drs305> RamunasM:  Here is the community doc on Grub 2 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:11] <drs305> RamunasM: There is a section on booting from the menu or from the grub2 rescue prompt.
[17:18] <david__> ingera
[17:19] <Wazzzaaa> Are there many diffs between the Karmic release candidate, and the official release?
[17:19] <Geb> An atheros wireless card in 9.10 should be using the ath5k driver, yes?
[17:19] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, yep
[17:20] <bjsnider> Geb, or ath9k if it's a wireless-n device
[17:20] <Wazzzaaa> patdk-lap: But when you install the latest updates tomorrow (on the RC) it is the same patdk-lap ?
[17:20] <Geb> My wireless card isn't working, and the ath5k driver is blacklisted.
[17:20] <q__> can anyone check if his sensitivity control for the mouse is reversed, too? (lower sensitivity = faster mouse !?)
[17:20] <RamunasM> sorry, I had to leave, so again, what do I do if after install I get grub error 2
[17:20] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, if you install the updates, yes
[17:20] <mesual> patdk-lap: What are the differences, then?
[17:20] <Wazzzaaa> ok, thnx
[17:21] <patdk-lap> mesual, heh? how would I know :) that is what a changelog is for :)
[17:21] <cdm10> Does anyone have Broadcom wireless in here?
[17:21] <bjsnider> there are very few differences between the rc and the final releases
[17:21] <mesual> patdk-lap: Surely the only difference is slightly updated packages?
[17:21] <bjsnider> Geb, blacklisted?
[17:21] <mesual> Slightly more bugs fixed.
[17:21] <patdk-lap> mesual, probably, I just seen package after package updated since I upgraded friday
[17:22] <cdm10> ...that's funny. Wireless wasn't working yesterday. Now it is. Never mind -- don't need help :)
[17:22] <Tohuw> I'm having an issue with my Toshiba e-Studio connected to my Ubuntu 9.10 system via IPP. Test pages print fine, but any job submitted goes through the queue, succeeding silently, but never actually submits to printer. I've verified this by checking logs on the printer itself via the Web interface. Any ideas?
[17:22] <Geb> I have a file blacklist-ath_pci.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ that just has the one entry for ath5k
[17:22] <RamunasM> !grub2
[17:22] <Geb> I didn't know whether it was supposed to be there
[17:23] <Tohuw> Geb: yes, the atheros pci module has been blacklisted intentionally
[17:24] <RamunasM> anyone? Why the grub is not working right out of the box anyway?
[17:24] <bjsnider> Geb, what happens if you manually modprobe ath5k?
[17:24] <musicalgenius> does this support ati radeon 7k?
[17:24] <Tohuw> !doesntwork | RamunasM
[17:24] <bjsnider> does what support it?
[17:25] <musicalgenius> ubuntu 9.10 lol
[17:25] <Tohuw> musicalgenius: have you tried using modelines?
[17:25] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, you have to use the radeon driver, but yes
[17:25] <musicalgenius> what are modelines?
[17:25] <RamunasM> Tohuw: I already wrote what's wrong, it throws me error 2
[17:25] <Tohuw> He's having an issue with refresh rates
[17:25] <Geb> bjsnider: the wireless card is detected and starts working
[17:25] <bjsnider> what a shock
[17:25] <Tohuw> !modeline | musicalgenius
[17:26] <musicalgenius> compiz seems to be working tho i think
[17:26] <RamunasM> update-grub tells me grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[17:26] <Tohuw> Geb: remove the blacklist then :) (or just comment it out)
[17:26] <bjsnider> RamunasM, did you upgrade or clean install?
[17:26] <RamunasM> bjsnider: clean install
[17:26] <RamunasM> reformatted whole hdd
[17:26] <dp> just installed Karmic, and now fonts within KDE specific apps are super tiny; seems to be related to DPI; any ideas where to start?
[17:26] <Geb> ok then, thanks
[17:27] <bjsnider> Tohuw, i don't think that would work
[17:27] <Tohuw> dp: nvidia or ati card?
[17:27] <dp> Tohuw: nvidia
[17:27] <Tohuw> bjsnider: why not? you can specify a refresh rate in a modeline
[17:27] <bjsnider> Tohuw, different problem. i mean the ath5k issue
[17:28] <Tohuw> bjsnider: oh, sorry!
[17:28] <Tohuw> bjsnider: same question then :)
[17:28] <bjsnider> i don't think it's really blacklisted
[17:28] <dp> wait... it suddenly stopped being an issue... wtf
[17:29] <Tohuw> dp: run kdesu nvidia-settings and hunt around, you may find what you're looking for. If not, check KDE's display settings, which I don't remember because I haven't used KDE for any length of time since 3.4
[17:29] <dp> Tohuw: but I'm running through xubuntu
[17:29] <bjsnider> nobody uses kde anymore
[17:30] <yofel> bjsnider: you don't seem to notice us ^^
[17:30] <yofel> *kde-users
[17:30] <musicalgenius> do i just run modeline stuff in terminal?
[17:30] <arand> Kubuntu seems rather uncommon at least...
[17:30] <Tohuw> dp: same steps then. you may need to actually install kde's settings controls, or just edit whatever files they edit
[17:31] <Tohuw> musicalgenius: it goes in your xorg.conf
[17:31] <bjsnider> well maybe people use kde through mandriva or opensuse
[17:31] <arand> But I've heard it said that for nice kde, kubuntu might not be the right thing to go for...
[17:31] <RamunasM> any other suggestions what to do with my grub problem?
[17:32] <Tohuw> I gave up on KDE when 4.0 was released officially with no resizable task bar, unreadable clock, misplaced widgets, buggy file manager, and extremely over-complicated settings for plasma
[17:33] <arand> RamunasM: Mind repeating the problem? (just got here)
[17:33] <bjsnider> Tohuw, other than that, it's perfect...
[17:33] <Tohuw> bjsnider: :)
[17:33] <RamunasM> arand: sure,I just installed karmic, rebooted, and instead of booting to my new system I got Grub Error 2
[17:33] <musicalgenius> wheres xorg.conf?
[17:33] <yofel> arand: the sticky issue that I have with kubuntu are the broken translations, but that's not a big problem for me
[17:33] <RamunasM> arand: now I'm on the live cd, any ideas how to fix it?
[17:34] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, if you need it you must create it
[17:34] <musicalgenius> in /etc/x11 right?
[17:34] <bjsnider> unwrong
[17:35] <bjsnider> arand, it can't find root, which might be the numbering problem (0,2 instead of 0,3 or whatever)
[17:35] <musicalgenius> so thats a yes?
[17:35] <bjsnider> musicalgenius, affirmative
[17:36] <RamunasM> bjsnider: is that related to my grub problem?
[17:36] <bjsnider> RamunasM, yes
[17:36] <arand> RamunasM: so what's the partition configuration?
[17:37] <arand> RamunasM: and did grub just install to mbr as per default?
[17:37] <RamunasM> arand: guess so, didn't change anything related to grub
[17:37] <RamunasM> arand: http://pastebin.com/d74975877
[17:38] <RamunasM> /dev/sdb1 is the one it should boot from
[17:39] <bjsnider> so that's 1,1 if i understand correctly
[17:40] <RamunasM> not 0,1?
[17:40] <bjsnider> what do you use the 1tb drive for?
[17:40] <RamunasM> I'm no good at grub, so excuse me
[17:40] <RamunasM> for storage, its not system related
[17:40] <bjsnider> 0,1 would be first drive, first partition
[17:40] <RamunasM> sdb1 is /, sdb5 is /home
[17:40] <bjsnider> you've got drive 2, partition 1
[17:41] <RamunasM> so, how do I tell that to grub/
[17:41] <bjsnider> first find out what it is trying to boot from now
[17:42] <RamunasM> bjsnider: hd(1,1)
[17:43] <arand> -bye
[17:43] <arand> -bye
[17:43] <RamunasM> on old grub, I would just push e, and edit the number, no idea what to do now
[17:43] <bjsnider> RamunasM, pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[17:43] <julien__> hi i added ppa but apt-get wont install from them :(
[17:44] <localnnuser__> RamunasM: sudo apt-get install grub -y && sudo update-grub && sudo grub-install /dev/sda && sudo apt-get autoremove --purge && sudo apt-get clean
[17:44] <RamunasM> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/d6809bbdf
[17:45] <benste> hi, using empathy I always get this weird error: "There was an error receiving this message.  Either you and 250818008 have different encodings selected, or 250818008 has a buggy client.)"
[17:45] <julien__> any help?
[17:45] <benste> this causes that ä ü ö and some other german letters aren't displayed as sutch
[17:45] <joaopinto> benste, search launchpad for a bug report
[17:45] <joaopinto> or file one
[17:46] <bjsnider> RamunasM, pastebin your /etc/fstab file
[17:46] <joaopinto> empathy is not very stable yet
[17:46] <RamunasM> bjsnider: the one from the installed system, right.
[17:46] <RamunasM> ?
[17:46] <bjsnider> of course
[17:47] <RamunasM> http://pastebin.com/d480bc681
[17:48] <benste> joaopinto: just thought there would be someone who directly know about it
[17:49] <RamunasM> bjsnider: ^^^
[17:51] <mrwes> Jaunty boot time was pretty snappy -- anyone else noticing it has doubled with Karmic?
[17:52] <IndyGunFreak> is there a way to install a package, and all packages that are used to install the file, get downloaded as .deb files somewhere, so i can send them to someone w/o an internet connection?
[17:52] <mrwes> AptonCD
[17:52] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, forgot abut that.
[17:53] <RamunasM> bjsnider: so, got any thoughts?
[17:53] <Beastmode> some of u already got karmic?
[17:53] <mrwes> o/ I do Beastmode
[17:53] <RamunasM> Beastmode: I do, I just can't boot into it
[17:53] <RamunasM> :D
[17:53] <joaopinto> Beastmode, most of us here
[17:53] <Beastmode> sorry just reading some messages there that refer to boot time of karmic
[17:53] <mrwes> I always leech the RC before the frenzy begins
[17:53] <Beastmode> i thought it wasnt released though
[17:54] <Beastmode> i've only had linux for about 3 weeks
[17:54] <mrwes> Release Candidate it
[17:54] <mrwes> is*
[17:54] <joaopinto> Beastmode, it was not officcially released yet
[17:54] <bjsnider> RamunasM, i notice a difference in the drive/partition numbers
[17:54] <mrwes> well it certainly doesn't boot as fast as Jaunty -- will see if that is corrected
[17:54] <bjsnider> RamunasM, mine says 0,5
[17:55] <bjsnider> RamunasM, but i have root on the first partition of the first drive
[17:55] <RamunasM> weird
[17:55] <Beastmode> oh so is there any official documentation yet for karmic like there was for jaunty? that was great because i followed it to install jaunty. would be nice if there is one like that for Karmic
[17:55] <bjsnider> i wonder if yours would boot if your entry said 1,5
[17:55] <RamunasM> bjsnider: and how do I change it?
[17:56] <bjsnider> RamunasM, the files are in /etc/grub.d
[17:57] <RamunasM> bjsnider: and what do I do with those?
[17:57] <mrwes> hrmm...no fstab anymore aye?
[17:57] <vega-> Beastmode: you mean upgrade documentation?
[17:57] <bjsnider> RamunasM, it should actually find your root automatically. i wonder if your kernel is broken somehow
[17:58] <mrwes> oh there it is
[17:58] <vega-> speaking of fstab, is there a new place for putting nfs mounts in nowadays? i get some complaints on karmic that network is not available when they are in fstab
[17:58] <Beastmode> vega, just the normal official documentation page like there was for jaunty. Im just looking for anything to read about karmic
[17:58] <bjsnider> RamunasM, what happens if you run update-grub as root on the installed karmic?
[17:59] <vega-> Beastmode: that probably gets released when official release comes
[17:59] <Beastmode> vega: cool
[17:59] <RamunasM> bjsnider: I chrooted into it, if that is okay
[17:59] <RamunasM> bjsnider: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /.
[17:59] <RamunasM> here's what it gives me
[18:00] <vega-> Beastmode: basic info about karmic is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview
[18:00] <Beastmode> in the meantime anybody know a better irc client than xchat? and also a better usenet reader than klibido? is there something like newsleecher for linux?
[18:00] <julien__> please i need help
[18:00] <Beastmode> thanks vega
[18:00] <RamunasM> julien__: just ask?
[18:00] <julien__> hi i added ppa but apt-get wont install from them :(
[18:01] <julien__> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ebox/1.3/ubuntu karmic main
[18:01] <bjsnider> RamunasM, what if you do grub-probe -t device /
[18:02] <mrwes> julien__, did you do a sudo apt-get update?
[18:02] <RamunasM> bjsnider: same thing
[18:02] <julien__> yes manytimes
[18:02] <bjsnider> RamunasM, p0astebin the contents of /boot/grub/device.map
[18:02] <unimatrix> is there an easy way to disable pulseaudio in karmic yet?
[18:03] <bjsnider> you'd have to remove it i suppose
[18:03] <unimatrix> how about just make alsa apps bypass it?
[18:03] <Beastmode> if i upgrade to 9.10, will my documents and files get deleted? Ill back them up anyways but just in case.
[18:03] <RamunasM> bjsnider: no such file
[18:04] <unimatrix> Beastmode, your files will stay untouched, however you will still be using ext3 and grub won't get upgraded either
[18:04] <bjsnider> RamunasM, run grub --device-map
[18:04] <bjsnider> probably as root
[18:04] <Beastmode> unimatrix, so installing from a cd would be the best for me then if i want the new features?
[18:04] <mesual> Beastmode: Your machine will stay fully operational, though.
[18:05] <unimatrix> Beastmode, yes
[18:05] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it complains that grub is not installed, should I try to apt-get it?
[18:05] <unimatrix> Beastmode, but in that case you definitely should backup your files
[18:05] <mesual> Beastmode: 99.99% of users won't get any extra utility from upgrading to GRUB2.
[18:05] <enyc> more likely a new problem from grub2 instead ;-)
[18:05]  * RamunasM hi5's enyc
[18:05] <unimatrix> i've noticed it loaded a lot faster
[18:05] <enyc> solong as you can boot, and update kernel, and boot,  i mean.. it doesn't matter
[18:06] <mesual> Beastmode: You might notice slightly better performance with ext4, though.
[18:06] <julien__> mrwes ??
[18:06]  * enyc lo4's RamunasM
[18:06] <Beastmode> what function is ext for? sorry i dont know anything about linux. Grub i believe is the boot manager which is not necessary for me as I only have ubuntu installed
[18:07] <bjsnider> RamunasM, no, i must be looking at outdated info
[18:07] <mesual> Beastmode: ext3 and ext4 are file systems.
[18:07] <mesual> Beastmode: Just like NTFS or FAT
[18:07] <Beastmode> aaah
[18:07] <Beastmode> ok
[18:08] <mesual> Beastmode: If GRUB1 works, don't worry about upgrading to GRUB2, especially if you're just using Ubuntu.
[18:08] <mesual> Beastmode: There won't be any benefits to you.
[18:09] <bjsnider> RamunasM, you really don't have a device.map file?
[18:09] <bjsnider> RamunasM, alright, make one
[18:09] <holstein> hey guys
[18:09] <unimatrix> so no way to bypass pulseaudio?
[18:09] <RamunasM> bjsnider: really
[18:09] <holstein> im running ubuntu studio karmic
[18:09] <Beastmode> mesual: but is that a option? because if i want to use ext4 then I have to install from cd which will install new grub.
[18:09] <holstein> im getting a Bus error
[18:09] <vega-> Beastmode: grub is used even if you only have linux
[18:09] <holstein> seems to be triggered by launching JAMin
[18:10] <bjsnider> Rami'll tell you what to put in it, but make a /boot/grub/device.map file
[18:10] <bjsnider> RamunasM,  ^^
[18:10] <Beastmode> vega: yea i notice the message when i start my laptop saying "Grub is loading"
[18:10] <Beastmode> thats how i figured it was a bootloader
[18:10] <julien__> man i use apt since 1995 never has this issue !
[18:10] <RamunasM> bjsnider: okay, ready
[18:11] <vega-> Beastmode: you can upgrade from ext3 -> ext4 but iirc that won't give you as much performance gain as installintg ext4 from scratch
[18:11] <julien__> any ideas?
[18:12] <bjsnider> RamunasM, http://pastebin.com/m71fbd566
[18:12] <bjsnider> RamunasM, afterwards, run update-grub again
[18:13] <Beastmode> i got no problem installing from scratch. I only use ubuntu because I want to learn. If i mess up. I can always pick your guys brains
[18:13] <RamunasM> bjsnider: same thing :/
[18:13] <bjsnider> Beastmode, that would hurt, and cause brain damage
[18:14] <Beastmode> lol
[18:15] <vega-> Beastmode: installing from scratch is no problem, especially if you have /home on a separate partition
[18:15] <vega-> Beastmode: which is very recommended
[18:15] <Beastmode> vega: oh i dont have that though
[18:15] <Beastmode> I only have 1 partition
[18:16] <Beastmode> i had followed one of the setup guides which didn't really reccomend partitioning
[18:16] <bjsnider> RamunasM, try grub-install
[18:17] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it wants a device parameter, should I give /dev/sdb?
[18:17] <RamunasM> bjsnider: oh well, still no go
[18:18] <RamunasM> bjsnider: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.
[18:18] <RamunasM> bjsnider: can I just get old grub or something?
[18:18] <adaran> is anyone else missing evolution? it was shown as "deprecated" software during the upgrade and now i can't reinstall it
[18:19] <bjsnider> RamunasM, you can reinstall from scratch again. it would be faster than this nonsense. obviously something got fouled up during your initial run
[18:19] <vega-> Beastmode: i understand that it's done so that newbies don't get confused but imho it should be the standard ..
[18:20] <vega-> i'd create a 10 GB / (leaving some room for future updates) and the rest for home, then all your user settings and files would be preserved on clean installs
[18:20] <Beastmode> vega: so you reccomend creating partitions then when i install karmic from a new cd?
[18:20] <vega-> yes
[18:20] <Beastmode> vega: I only have a 60gb hdd on my laptop (its 4 years old), how much would be good for /home?
[18:21] <RamunasM> bjsnider: okay, will do that now
[18:21] <Shikaku> Karmic has a semi-random critical bug, where sometimes (about 1/5th) X does not display at all as if the monitor was turned off, and the keyboard and power button do not work at all (I tried doing ctrl+alt+F1 and ctrl+alt+delete to do a restart but nothing happened) when booting up and resuming from hibernate.  This occurs when the login screen is supposed to appear, so it seems it could be...
[18:21] <Shikaku> ...an X issue or a gdm issue.
[18:22] <vega-> Beastmode:  oh and swap of course
[18:22] <yofel> Beastmode: home is where your user profile is at, so it should be rather large on a desktop
[18:22] <vega-> Beastmode: well everything that gets left over from the / (root) partition
[18:23] <Shikaku> I was wondering if this was a known issue, because this never happened to me with Jaunty and I freshed installed Karmic.
[18:23] <vega-> Beastmode: which would be something 50gb in your case, depends on how big you make /
[18:23] <drs305> RamunasM: I suggest you visit this site. It tells you how to install grub2 from the livecd, how to go back to grub, and a lot more.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2   Section 11.
[18:24] <Beastmode> aah ok. so 10gb for the install. I thought the /home was the install. thats why i was confused. thanks for clearing that out  yofel
[18:24] <Beastmode> yea 50 gb is fine for me
[18:24] <vega-> Beastmode: my / on 9.10 uses 3 gb
[18:24] <Beastmode> i only use the laptop for school
[18:24] <patdk-lap> mine is using 6gigs
[18:24] <vega-> so if you are tight on disk space then probably something like 5-6 for /
[18:25] <patdk-lap> I haven't had a / go >10g so :)
[18:25] <Beastmode> no no, 10 is no big deal.
[18:25] <vega-> hmm ok, so maybe more like 6-8
[18:25] <vega-> ok
[18:25] <Beastmode> i cant have 50 gigs of ppt presentations and .doc's
[18:25] <vega-> swap size (a partition in linux) depends on your ram size
[18:25] <patdk-lap> the only thing to watch for if / gets full, is to clean the apt cache
[18:25] <nicklas_> if i install the kubuntu 9.10 rc today, will it turn stable tomorrow, and become exactly like if i had installed it from scratch?
[18:25] <RamunasM> vega-: btw, do I really need swap partition?
[18:26] <RamunasM> I have 1.8gig of ram
[18:26] <patdk-lap> RamunasM, if you want to hibernate
[18:26] <RamunasM> I don't
[18:26] <vega-> RamunasM: well hibernate doesn't work without one for instance
[18:26] <patdk-lap> well, up to you then
[18:26] <Beastmode> ok im gonna put karmic on download
[18:26]  * patdk-lap can't hibernate :)
[18:26] <om26er> latest karmic cd yet http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20091028.4/karmic-desktop-i386.iso
[18:27] <Pici> om26er: so?
[18:27] <vega-> yep, won't probably differ a lot from final release
[18:27] <nicklas_> om26er: the 64 bit isnt released yet?
[18:27] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, same, hibernate doesn't work for me either.
[18:27] <Pici> None of them are released yet.
[18:27] <perscitus> BTW people. Karmic has a bootup time of 52 seconds.
[18:27] <om26er> and now the website says coming soon not one day left
[18:28] <patdk-lap> well, it does work
[18:28] <patdk-lap> but with a randomly encrypted swap, it doesn't
[18:28] <vega-> perscitus: fixed boot time? :) doesn't that depend on the system..
[18:28] <Pici> perscitus: First boot may be slow.
[18:28] <Beastmode> vega: ill probably wait till tommorrow so i dont have to run lots of updates right away
[18:28] <perscitus> Pici.->  More like about 6th time.
[18:28] <patdk-lap> perscitus, karmic boots for me in 92seconds, jaunty did it in 38 :)
[18:28] <vega-> Beastmode: you probably will get 1-2 updates, i'd recommend downloading today because servers will be stuck tomorrow
[18:28] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, are you in ubuntu+1?
[18:29] <Beastmode> oh
[18:29] <Berzerker-> oh wait this is ubuntu+1
[18:29] <Berzerker-> lulz nvm
[18:29] <Beastmode> i usually grab from usenet
[18:29] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, how do I tell if my swap is randomly encrypted
[18:29] <om26er> Beastmode, download the final build that is gonna release in some upcoming hours
[18:29] <patdk-lap> I did a crapload of customizing, and got karmic down to 60seconds
[18:29] <patdk-lap> berzerker, look in /etc/crypttab
[18:29] <Pici> Last time I checked my boot was about 20 seconds.
[18:29] <perscitus> Pici.->  and I started countdown from Grub Loading...[stopped when screen loaded] Restarted when pressed enter. [stopped at login load] Restarted at Enter from login
[18:30] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, what about it
[18:30] <patdk-lap> well, is your swap listed in there?
[18:30] <Berzerker-> no
[18:30] <Berzerker-> just a line with # <target name>
[18:30] <patdk-lap> then it's not
[18:30] <Berzerker-> but my hibernate still doesn't work lol
[18:30] <q__> karmic does not feel faster for me either
[18:30] <perscitus> Pici.->  And I did 1 One-Thousand count.
[18:30] <Pici> perscitus: I used bootchart
[18:30] <holstein> hey there folks... im getting 'Bus error' when JAMin crashes in ubuntu studio
[18:31] <om26er> people does speed really matter. when you get best of linux out of ubuntu
[18:31] <perscitus> q__.->  i'm with you on that. It's the same
[18:31] <patdk-lap> berzerker, you probably have a messed up /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume file
[18:31] <om26er> **boot spped
[18:31] <patdk-lap> om26er, when I boot my laptop 6+ times a day, yes
[18:31] <Beastmode> om26er: ok
[18:31] <RamunasM> bjsnider: it seems the setup tried to install grub to hd(0,0) by default, now I set it to /dev/sdb, is that a good idea?
[18:32] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, how do I fix it?
[18:32] <perscitus> om26er.->  For me, yeah. Comparing boot time to Windows.
[18:32] <om26er> patdk-lap, does it take an hour to start?
[18:32] <patdk-lap> om26er, 92seconds :)
[18:32] <patdk-lap> jaunty was 38
[18:32] <om26er> perscitus, and now from where windows come in here.
[18:32] <yofel> patdk-lap: use !bootchart to find out why
[18:32] <perscitus> patdk-lap.-> How fast from Hibernate?
[18:32] <patdk-lap> berzerker, make sure, RESUME=(your swap drive here)
[18:32] <patdk-lap> yofel, I did
[18:33] <om26er> yofel, boot chart?
[18:33] <patdk-lap> sreadahead was useless, switched to readahead-list and got it down to 60seconds
[18:33] <om26er> yofel, where can i get it
[18:33] <q__> om26er, for me karmic does bring nothing good :) (appart form the new audio mixer perhaps, but I had trouble with my soundcard first)
[18:33] <perscitus> om26er.->  huh?
[18:33] <yofel> !bootchart | om26er
[18:33] <RamunasM> !bootchart
[18:33] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I have RESUME-UUID=
[18:33] <patdk-lap> well, make sure the UUID is correct
[18:33] <Beastmode> ill probably try out some new apps befroe i do clean install again for karmic
[18:33] <Berzerker-> and a long sequence hex number
[18:33] <perscitus> Does bootchartr count grub load?
[18:33] <Berzerker-> how do I tell what the swap hex number is
[18:33] <Beastmode> anyone got any reccomendations for better irc client than xchat?
[18:33] <patdk-lap> look in /dev/disk/by-uuid to verify
[18:34] <RamunasM> Beastmode: irssi
[18:34] <Shikaku> chatzilla in firefox?  :S
[18:34] <Beastmode> ok Ramunas
[18:34] <dAlfa89_> Can you enable logging with Irssi?
[18:34] <q__> perscitus, no
[18:34] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Whats wrong with it
[18:34] <RamunasM> dAlfa89_: sure
[18:34] <Beastmode> anything for a usenet reader like newsleecher? sorry osalt doesnt ahve this listed. I use klibido and it always crashes. Pan is not bad though
[18:35] <perscitus> q__.-> if bootchart doesnt count grub load then it's not accurate
[18:35] <Beastmode> perscitus: i cant see who the ops are
[18:35] <Lain_13> hi there, I'm using beta version of karmic and have 1 problem right now
[18:35] <Polarina> When will 9.10 be released? Don't say tomorrow, I'd like to know when tomorrow (or how many hours left).
[18:35] <Berzerker-> no one knows
[18:35] <Beastmode> perscitus: also there is no time tags on messages
[18:35] <Pici> Polarina: When its done.
[18:35] <Polarina> :-(
[18:35] <q__> perscitus, its accurate for the time from grub to login, there is no other way for software
[18:35] <Pici> Polarina, Karmic will be released some time during the 29th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[18:35] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  there are no ops highlighted now.
[18:35] <Lain_13> I want to reinstall whole xorg server because I partially broke it using xorg-edgers repo
[18:35] <furuno> it's 1:35 A.M. here (GMT+7) and I'm still *patiently* waiting
[18:36] <Lain_13> yep, it was stupid idea )
[18:36] <furuno> especially after I've clean install my boot drive with 7
[18:36] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I have 2, how do I know which one
[18:36] <om26er> furuno, where do you live?
[18:36] <Polarina> Pici: What's the first possible time? Sometime now? After midnight UTC?
[18:36] <nicklas_> this is hard, i want to wait til tomorrow, just to be sure, but i still i wanna install today
[18:36] <Beastmode> Perscitus: found time stamps, lol thats my fault for not looking
[18:36] <patdk-lap> berzerker your swap one, swapon -s
[18:36] <om26er> here its 12.35A.M
[18:36] <Pici> Polarina: Anytime when its still the 29th somewhere on earth.
[18:36] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Chanserv has green dot next to it in user list. thats in op mode.
[18:36] <Lain_13> on this moment I've removed this source of packages and all cached packages
[18:36] <om26er> furuno, india?
[18:36] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, they're just numbers, how do I know which UUID my swap is?
[18:37] <patdk-lap> ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid
[18:37] <Polarina> Pici: Ok.
[18:37] <patdk-lap> swapon -s
[18:37] <nicklas_> this is hard, i want to wait til tomorrow, just to be sure, but i still i wanna install today
[18:37] <perscitus> Berzerker.->  Better.... use command sudo blkid
[18:37] <Lain_13> but when I try to execute: sudo apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xorg-core
[18:37] <abb> Yay, I finally got virtualbox+windows7 working with my weird "Windows-only-USB-Device-de-Jure" so goooodbye dual boot!  Hello extra 20gigs of HDD space...lol
[18:37] <patdk-lap> or that, never used blkid :)
[18:37] <Lain_13> it shows: Reinstallation of xserver-xorg-core is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[18:37] <Beastmode> perscitus: what about +v's?
[18:38] <perscitus> Berzerker.->  try mine. it's better
[18:38] <Berzerker-> wow I don't even have swap listed
[18:38] <RomD> I want to report a bug. could anyone confirm it before I do the reporting? open "startup applications", uncheck any entry, close the dialog, open it again. the change you made wasn't saved.
[18:38] <Lain_13> how to resolve this problem?
[18:38] <patdk-lap> berzerker are you using a swap file? instead of partition? hibernat only works on partitions
[18:38] <RamunasM> abb: got multicore cpu?
[18:38] <perscitus> Beastmode.->  Voice is yellow
[18:38] <yofel> RomD: gnome, kde or xfce?
[18:38] <RomD> gnome
[18:38] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, I had ubuntu automatically configure the partitions, and I used to have swap, my hibernate used to work, stopped working after a daily build update.
[18:39] <RomD> gnome-settings-properties
[18:39] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  ever try blkid?
[18:39] <Beastmode> perscitus: ok
[18:39] <Berzerker-> patdk-lap, swapon-s lists nothing
[18:39] <Berzerker-> swapon -s*
[18:39] <RomD> sorry I meant gnome-session-properties
[18:39] <patdk-lap> perscitus, never needed to :)
[18:39] <Beastmode> perscitus: anyway to get the +v or @ to appear when users type messages?
[18:39] <Berzerker-> FK
[18:39] <flan_suse> I cannot seem to find out if the Ubuntu 9.10 alternate installation disc will allow you to install Ubuntu to an encrypted root (/) partition.
[18:39] <Berzerker-> afk*
[18:39] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  better then  -ls /devdisk
[18:40] <patdk-lap> ls is always installed though :)
[18:40] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  so is blkid
[18:40] <flan_suse> Will this option be available for Ubuntu 9.10 alternate install? (Encrypted root partition.)
[18:40] <RomD> yofel: anything? or do have have a different desktop environment?
[18:41] <yofel> RomD: I use Kde, sry
[18:41] <RomD> ok
[18:41] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  try it
[18:42] <perscitus> patdk-lap.->  blkid,  though requires sudo,  shows you sda, uuid,  fs type, and label in neat format
[18:42] <om26er> downloading release torrent is the only way that we don't put load on the servers and made them mad.
[18:43] <tgpraveen> bug  #419143
[18:43] <perscitus> RomD.->  This channel is  Kubuntu and ubuntu RC support.
[18:43] <RomD> perscitus: this is happening in karmic rc
[18:44] <Lain_13> ok, I will ask my question in other way: why xserver-xorg marked in synaptic by ubuntu logo and xserver-xorg-core isn't marked by this logo?
[18:44] <Pici> Any-official-buntu RC support.
[18:44] <Lain_13> and resolved as installed locally x(
[18:46] <RamunasM> the install is done
[18:46] <RamunasM> wish me luck, going to try and boot into my new system
[18:46] <RamunasM> :)
[18:46] <domjohnson> back
[18:46] <domjohnson> ok, RamunasM
[18:46] <domjohnson> Good luck!
[18:47] <domjohnson> hello Myxb!
[18:49] <perscitus> Wicked cool. i can remove bluetooth packages more easily now.
[18:49] <q__> my bootchart makes broken pngs (0byte)... might be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcj-4.4/+bug/455017 but svg does not seem to work for me either
[18:51] <perscitus> How do i switch compiz to emerald?
[18:52] <darthanubis> perscitus, need to learn what compiz is first
[18:53] <darthanubis> !emerald
[18:53] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  I know what is
[18:53] <holstein> hello... any ideas what 'Bus error could mean when JAMin crashes??
[18:53] <darthanubis> well then you'd know you don't SWITCH compiz to emerald
[18:54] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  welcome to ignore for being rude.
[18:54] <darthanubis> holstein, only what google would tell me
[18:54] <darthanubis> perscitus, thx, it is an honor
[18:54] <JackD> hehe
[18:55] <vega-> perscitus: how could you switch from c -> e if e is just an addon/part of compiz? ie. emerald NEEDS compiz ..
[18:55] <vega-> what's rude about stating that?
[18:55] <darthanubis> vega-, he does not want to hear that
[18:55] <perscitus> darthanubis.->  BTW, i know emerald just does the title bars.  therefore. the question was correct
[18:56] <darthanubis> the question was NEVER correct
[18:56] <darthanubis> but please, continue to wallow in ignorance
[18:56] <perscitus> vega-.->  The question is How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[18:57] <joaopinto> perscitus, you already got the answer :)
[18:57] <balor> On an Eeepc "Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 PCI-E" my wireless hasn't worked since 2.6.31-12. What to modprobe?
[18:58] <om26er> this page was just updating http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[18:58] <om26er> Archive-Update-in-Progress-gallium.canonical.com
[18:58] <perscitus> How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[18:58] <darthanubis> lol
[18:59] <Pici> Emerald is not longer supported.
[18:59] <dsyncd> Question:  I'm attempting installing 9.10 rc.  When I reach the partitioning section (I clicked on manually partition), I don't see all my hard drives.  In gparted and disk utility, I can see them all fine.  Is this a known issue?
[18:59] <om26er> karmic koala is releasing in next 15min and i can challenge that
[18:59] <Pici> !emerald | perscitus
[19:00] <perscitus> How do i SWITCH compiz [using metacity] to emerald
[19:00] <tonyyarusso> om26er: Pages will update all the time, but it's not ready until it's announced.
[19:00] <tonyyarusso> (And claiming otherwise won't be allowed)
[19:00] <darthanubis> !repeat | perscitus
[19:00] <perscitus> The next person who calls !emerald i will call ops.
[19:01] <darthanubis> lol
[19:01] <Pici> perscitus: And why would you do that?
[19:01] <om26er> http://noncdn.releases.ubuntu.com//
[19:01] <perscitus> Pici.->  its not the answer
[19:01] <darthanubis> good luck with that, if you bothered to look there are no OPS here
[19:01] <duffydack> perscitus, I use fusion-icon
[19:01] <q__> can i force bootchart to use sun java instead of gij?
[19:01] <Pici> darthanubis: Ops dont op-up until needed.
[19:02] <JackD> darthanubis: Chanserv can be used
[19:02] <Polarina> om26er: That file is set to 0.
[19:02] <Pici> om26er: This is your last warning. You've been asked numerous times to stop already.
[19:02] <darthanubis> Pici, I've been around long time, I know this. He does not.
[19:03] <perscitus> Pici.->  I don't care if some other op thinks emerald is obsolete. So is metacity. so is Gnome if you really get down to it. !emerald is matter of personal opinion.
[19:03] <holstein> thank darthanubis... would you mind sharing what you found on google with me relating to karmic, JAMin, and 'BUs error'
[19:04] <Pici> perscitus: No, thats the developer perspective on that application.
[19:04] <darthanubis> holstein, sorry buddy, I have not done the search for you yet...
[19:04] <darthanubis> Pici, I envy your charitable spirit
[19:05] <om26er> Pici, ok kick me .
[19:06] <darthanubis> om26er, why troll to begin with?
[19:06] <Pici> om26er: I'd rather not have to.
[19:06] <perscitus> Pici.->  and yet i dont care
[19:07] <darthanubis> perscitus, so your a troll?
[19:07] <darthanubis> that explains it
[19:09] <bobdylan> i cannot find the different between UNR and Ubuntu moblin :(
[19:10] <Tohuw> Howdy. I'm having a CUPS issue with  a Toshiba eStudio 520 (using Toshiba's driver). I can connect to it through its self-hosted SMB share or IPP, but either way I have the same problem: anything I print passes the queue successfully but doesn't actually hit the printer. The logs on the printer do not show the job was ever received. Other (Windows) computers can print to it just fine. I used to be able to, but ever since a tech came out and worked on it, I hav
[19:10] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu netbook remix is desighned and developed by canonical
[19:10] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu moblin remix is based on moblin environment by intel over ubuntu base
[19:11] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu moblin remix is buggy and it will only be a developers release with karmic
[19:11] <perscitus> bobdylan.-> Netbook Remix is crummy release and ubuntu Moblin is Moblin interface with Ubuntu underneath
[19:11] <om26er> bobdylan, ubuntu netbook remix is much stable
[19:11] <Amaranth> perscitus: To use emerald in Ubuntu you have to start it manually every time you restart compiz and if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[19:11] <darthanubis> bobdylan, don't feed our pet trolls
[19:12] <holstein> well, it looks like the 'Bus error' for me is a gnome issue
[19:12] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  its better then using ugly metacity
[19:12] <holstein> it doesnt happen under LXDE
[19:12] <Amaranth> perscitus: Upstream barely even patches emerald to keep it working with new versions of compiz (and it won't work at all from compiz 0.9 on) and we support it even less in Ubuntu
[19:12] <perscitus> om26er.-> last time i used netbook remix, The interface every other click. its less stable then Moblin
[19:13] <Amaranth> perscitus: But if it works for you use it. If it doesn't work you're out of luck because it won't be getting fixed.
[19:13] <om26er> perscitus, i used ubuntu moblin remix for the last 45days and it is full of bugs you can't even imagine
[19:13] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  then bring in transparent title bars
[19:14] <perscitus> om26er.->  but it's interface doesnt crash
[19:15] <om26er> perscitus, yes now it don't but before 4days it crashed and crashed hard
[19:15] <om26er> perscitus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/455173
[19:16] <Amaranth> perscitus: I've been trying to figure out how to do that, actually
[19:17] <om26er> perscitus, here are some prominent bugs that are not fixed and they are really important https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-moblin-remix/+bugs
[19:17] <Amaranth> Right now you can make metacity decorations translucent but it does the entire decoration instead of just the background
[19:17] <Amaranth> Don't know if the metacity theme system will let us do anything else
[19:17] <bobdylan> ok thank you for both of you.. im now using unr karmic. it is much better than the previous release. only i cannot find the desktop switcher by default, i need to install it by myself and also i found that java on karmic makes internet browser going to freeze. hope that someday they can fix it. cause unr is really a good OS for my netbook
[19:17] <bean> I can't connect to AIM using empathy. :) it doesn't try to connect and just say Network Error
[19:18] <Amaranth> om26er: Only 20 bugs? Looks ready to ship to me :)
[19:18] <om26er> Amaranth, notifications don't come up
[19:18] <Amaranth> om26er: compare to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz
[19:19] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  making windows transparent or just titlebar?
[19:19] <om26er> Amaranth, it is gonna be just a developers release?
[19:19] <Amaranth> perscitus: Titlebar, you can make windows transparent no matter what decoration you use
[19:20] <Amaranth> om26er: Eh? Jaunty had even more bugs open for compiz (almost 500)
[19:20] <Amaranth> om26er: We don't fix all the bugs before releasing, that would be impossible
[19:20] <om26er> Amaranth, the bugs are all about moblin user experience and i thought  ubuntu moblin remix was moblin experience
[19:20] <bjsnider> that's ok, you don't need compiz with gnome-shell
[19:20] <bjsnider> compiz is over
[19:21] <q__> bean, does not sound like an AIM specific error, but you could try ICQ and use it like AIM. i think it is the same. (but I don't really know)
[19:21] <Amaranth> om26er: Oh, I don't know much about the moblin stuff but I know Dell is telling people it's not for regular users yet
[19:21] <om26er> bjsnider, now the tie is for mutter
[19:21] <om26er> time
[19:21] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Except gnome-shell is crazy :)
[19:22] <bjsnider> om26er, yes, it's all mutter now.
[19:22] <Amaranth> And mutter is slower and buggier than compiz even
[19:22] <bean> q__: you're right, ICQ worked just fine, huh
[19:22] <bjsnider> works great here
[19:22] <om26er> it will become better
[19:22] <bjsnider> not slower at all
[19:22] <q__> bean, :)
[19:22] <Amaranth> bjsnider: What video card?
[19:22] <RamunasM> YAY, it works \o/
[19:22] <TecnoBrat> bjsnider: just came in the middle of that ... gnome-shell is a replacement for compiz?
[19:22] <bjsnider> Amaranth, it starts with "n"...
[19:23] <jmadgin> hi there! I've just come over from a convo with videolan channel, they told me you guys may be able to help! since i upgradfrom 9.04 to 9.10 my avi's dont seem to work in movie player or vlc. I checked the readout from vlc diagnostic and it said the encoder couldnt be found. I checked the encoder in synaptic and its there?
[19:23] <bjsnider> TecnoBrat, affirmative
[19:23] <om26er> gnome-shell is also a replcaement for gnome-panels and metacity pal
[19:23] <Amaranth> TecnoBrat: gnome-shell/mutter is a replacement for metacity and gnome-panel but it forces compiz out too
[19:23] <q__> can someone tell me how to switch back to sun java 6? I want a bootchart
[19:23] <Amaranth> bjsnider: You have resources to spare on that hardware so of course it doesn't seem slower
[19:23] <jmadgin> can anyone help? im tearing my hair out
[19:23] <bjsnider> Amaranth, hahaha
[19:24] <om26er> mutter still show window shadows and some fading effects and that can be improved like tranparency
[19:24] <q__> jmadgin, maybe you should just reinstall both (removing both completely before)
[19:24] <Amaranth> It'll take at least 2 years for mutter to work as well as compiz as a compositor
[19:24] <TecnoBrat> interesting ....
[19:24] <TecnoBrat> I might have to try it
[19:24] <Amaranth> OpenGL compositing is hard :/
[19:24] <om26er> compiz was not good for me in jaunty but in karmic its at its best
[19:24] <bjsnider> Amaranth, works great here so far after a few days of use
[19:25] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  i though metacity wasnt worked on  anymore?
[19:25] <Amaranth> oh, and gnome-shell has almost no features and you can't configure it :P
[19:25] <jmadgin> q ive tried uninstall and reinstall
[19:25] <jmadgin> makes no difference
[19:25] <q__> jmadgin, hm, I don't know...
[19:25] <Amaranth> perscitus: metacity is in maintenance mode, bug fixes only
[19:25] <bjsnider> Amaranth, this is just a preview
[19:25] <om26er> Amaranth, gnome-shell is preview version you know that
[19:25] <TecnoBrat> Amaranth: what is missing?
[19:25] <Amaranth> om26er: I also know their plans
[19:26] <om26er> Amaranth, and you know that meant you know that..
[19:26] <jmadgin> the sound works but i just get a blank screen as i would if there was something wrong with the video codec
[19:26] <Amaranth> If your workflow doesn't match how gnome-shell works right now don't expect it to get better for you
[19:26] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  So, Gnome will continue to lag behind KDE4 development?
[19:26] <TecnoBrat> jmadgin: tried purging and reinstalling?
[19:26] <Amaranth> perscitus: metacity is being replaced by mutter/gnome-shell
[19:27] <om26er> gnome is better than kde for using point of view
[19:27] <perscitus> Amaranth.->  whats that
[19:27] <jmadgin> tried
[19:27] <RamunasM> bjsnider: thanks for your help, its fine now ;]
[19:27] <jmadgin> techno
[19:27] <TecnoBrat> thats all a matter of perspecive (KDE vs Gnome)
[19:27] <Amaranth> !gnome-shell
[19:27] <Amaranth> hrm
[19:27] <bjsnider> RamunasM, reinstalling worked?
[19:27] <Amaranth> !info gnome-shell
[19:27] <perscitus> om26er.->  KDE 4.3 GUi is better but windows are still bit clunky. Gnome GUI but gtk look is polished.
[19:28] <Amaranth> perscitus: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[19:28] <om26er> perscitus, and gnome apps?
[19:29] <bjsnider> Amaranth, weren't you in the gnome-shell channel yesterday?
[19:29] <Amaranth> bjsnider: I'm there now
[19:29] <om26er> Amaranth, you never told gnome-shell plans?
[19:29] <bjsnider> why are you in there if you have such a problem with it?
[19:29] <Amaranth> bjsnider: To keep up-to-date on what they're working on
[19:29] <perscitus> eww yuck gnome-shell. thats bad.
[19:30] <Amaranth> bjsnider: Some of the ideas are interesting I just don't agree with the philosophy
[19:30] <bobdylan> how good is ubuntu derivative? i read on wikipedia there's a lot of ubuntu based os, like linux mint, crunchbang etc?
[19:30] <tag> Is there an extension API for gnome-shell?   I just want it to work better then it is right now.
[19:31] <bjsnider> Amaranth, you don't like that they're dumping the old system
[19:31] <Amaranth> tag: I was actually told I should use XFCE is I don't like how they're doing it
[19:31] <tag> Well, the current system isn't going away, right?  gnome-shell appears to be a parallel effort.
[19:32] <Amaranth> I mean, I do have commit access to xfce git but I'm also a GNOME module maintainer so I'm torn
[19:32] <bjsnider> yes it is
[19:32] <tag> it is going away?
[19:32] <erwan_ho> oh
[19:32] <Amaranth> tag: gnome-panel is going to be effectively unmaintained within a year
[19:32] <erwan_ho> I there
[19:32] <bjsnider> it is being replaced by gnome-shell
[19:32] <tag> Well now I'm pissed off too.
[19:32] <bjsnider> you must use it or thugs will beat you up
[19:32] <xeer> a shell is nothing more then a window manager and a few panels.
[19:32] <erwan_ho> anyone for helping me. I need the "hexdump -n 4 /dev/<yourdisk>" of a karmic
[19:32] <om26er> gnome3 will open one instance of an app as in windows7
[19:33] <Kamilion> Hi. I'm trying to install ubuntu-virt-manager in karmic and it's asking me something about a postfix configuration, which one do I pick?
[19:33] <tag> or as in mac-os
[19:33] <bjsnider> i say for the old way go and use xfce. that's a perfect solution
[19:33] <Amaranth> om26er: Nah, it'll just treat all the windows as one app just like docky does right now
[19:33] <om26er> Amaranth, i read it a month ago and it was like a news on the internet
[19:34] <xeer> karmic should not use ext4 until the maintainers can ensure it works properly. right now it's a pile of shit
[19:34] <Kamilion> erwan_ho: just a sec...
[19:34] <erwan_ho> thx Kamilion
[19:34] <xeer> JBD fails at boot, mounts are broken.. wtf?
[19:35] <tag> I sort of liked how in gnome, to date, I've been able to choose not to choose their window manager.  I've never liked sawfish/metacity/etc.  And I don't like gnome shell's window management and I won't unless I can bend it to my will through extensions.  I appreciate the concept of gnome-shell but I'm pretty un-stoked on the existing system going unmaintained.
[19:35] <om26er> previously ubuntu required 384mb of ram for live cd now in karmic is it 256mb?
[19:35] <Kamilion> disk or partition?
[19:35] <tonyyarusso> I doubt that's the fault of ext4 xeer - it's been rather heavily tested just fine
[19:35] <erwan_ho> Kamilion: disk please
[19:35] <Kamilion> 0000000 4ceb d090
[19:35] <Kamilion> 0000004
[19:35] <tag> Amaranth: You can always fork gnome.
[19:35] <erwan_ho> thx a lot
[19:35] <bjsnider> tag, the existing system is old junk
[19:35] <Kamilion> np.
[19:35] <Amaranth> tag: haha, GoneME
[19:36] <xeer> tonyyarusso:  ext4 and karmic. ext4 worked great for me on the previous ubuntu
[19:36] <Kamilion> I'm trying to install ubuntu-virt-manager in karmic and it's asking me something about a postfix configuration, which one do I pick?
[19:36]  * erwan_ho wonder if someday, ubuntu will put HDT on their iso ;)
[19:36] <Amaranth> HDT?
[19:36] <Kamilion> erwan_ho: eh, I just use http://netboot.me/
[19:36] <om26er> Amaranth, gnome team will release gnome-shell and ubuntu and other distros will add their own api's mean change things as they wan't
[19:36] <om26er> ?
[19:37] <tonyyarusso> xeer: More likely things are broken because you're running a pre-release.
[19:37]  * om26er says that was a Question
[19:37] <erwan_ho> Amaranth: http://hdt-project.org Hardware Detection Tool
[19:37] <Amaranth> om26er: afaik no one on the Ubuntu side knows what to do
[19:37] <erwan_ho> already on some other distro & boot kernel org
[19:37] <Amaranth> om26er: They don't seem particularly fond of gnome-shell but that could change and, really, what else can they do?