[03:24] <blackboxsw> noahm: thank you for raising that to our attention, I'm fixing the doc builds now and regenerating tagged releases
[03:24] <blackboxsw> I did that early last week I believe, thinking I checked all the boxes on a docs migration to a readthedocs site that didn't have ads embedded.
[04:04] <noahm> blackboxsw: thank you! :)
[04:22] <blackboxsw> noahm: reverted the migration temporarily so it won't redirect for the moment. most of the old builds fail on new RTD-hosted.com tooling. So, we'll sort how to export or migrate those static old builds before flipping the switch. noahm out of curiousity, how old a version were you interested in
[04:25]  * blackboxsw was looking at making sure we sync back to 0.7.9 but not sure if we need to stretch farther
[05:36] <noahm> blackboxsw: I certainly don't anticipate needing anything further back than that. 19.3 is far enough for most of what I'm likely to care about.
[11:47] <holmanb> SuperLag: welcome :D
[11:51] <holmanb> SuperLag: ln 19 I was invoking cloud-init from a clone of the source code, on a system that has cloud-init installed that could be called as `cloud-init schema -c test.yml`, or using the --system flag instead of -c to check the schema on the system from the datasource rather than from a file.
[11:51] <holmanb> SuperLag: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/cli.html#schema
[11:51] <holmanb> SuperLag: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/faq.html#how-can-i-debug-my-user-data
[11:55] <holmanb> SuperLag: and if you want to run ln 19 the way I did (on a system without cloud-init installed) you could `git clone git@github.com:canonical/cloud-init.git && cd cloud-init` before running that command.
[16:46] <SuperLag> holmanb: you still around?
[16:50] <holmanb> SuperLag: yes
[16:52] <SuperLag> I went to the second link. And there's a python script there. Ran it, it says "userdata.yaml - ok".
[16:53] <holmanb> SuperLag: ahh the validate-yaml.py one?
[16:53] <SuperLag> but when I installed cloud-init on my jump box, and was testing... I did "cloud-init schema -c userdata.yaml" and got --> Error: Cloud config schema errors: users.0: {'default': None} is not valid under any of the given schemas
[16:53] <SuperLag> so I'm not sure which one to believe :D
[16:53] <SuperLag> holmanb: yep
[16:53] <holmanb> don't trust that one
[16:53] <holmanb> thanks for pointing that out, the docs need to be updated
[16:53] <SuperLag> don't trust that script? or the latter?
[16:54] <holmanb> all that validate-yaml.py does is check if your config file is valid yaml
[16:54] <SuperLag> which isn't sufficient for it to work with cloud-init, I take it?
[16:55] <holmanb> correct, valid yaml doesn't mean it is valid user-data
[16:56] <holmanb> do you have a colon after "default" in your users list>?
[16:57] <SuperLag> I do.
[16:57] <holmanb> SuperLag: if you see the paste from before, you'll note that I deleted the colon in the version of your userdata that passed the validation
[16:57] <SuperLag> sure enough :D
[16:58] <SuperLag> and after removing that it passes muster :D
[16:58] <holmanb> SuperLag: \o/
[16:59] <SuperLag> Is cloud-init supposed to work the same for all distros? or are there differences depending on distro?
[17:00] <holmanb> SuperLag: there are many things that cloud-init can't guarantee across distros - package name, for example, varies from distro to distro
[17:00] <holmanb> SuperLag: and there are some distros which cloud-init doesn't support
[17:02] <holmanb> SuperLag: however, it operates similarly for most distros
[17:03] <holmanb> SuperLag: on the modules page you'll note that each module has a "Supported distros" list
[17:03] <SuperLag> One of the things I haven't tried yet, is to mark one of the generated VMs as a template, and see if subsequent VMs have the cloud-init stuff baked in. Having the VMware datasource makes life VERY nice.
[17:07] <holmanb> SuperLag: Should work, depending on what you mean by that.
[17:08] <holmanb> SuperLag: You'll note that Module Frequency for many modules is "once-per-instance", so cloud-init will execute those modules only once per instance (this is customizable in cloud.cfg).
[17:52] <andrew76> Recently I've noticed problematic behavior using cloud-init's "packages" functionality to install some apt packages on Ubuntu 20.04. It seems to install the packages fine, but then if I look after the fact, the packages contain no files at all
[17:53] <andrew76> if I run "dpkg -L <package>", I get "Package '<package>' does not contain any files (!)"; so the apt package is installed, but there are no files associated with it; any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks!


[02:23] <thewrath> hey
[02:23] <thewrath> is anyone around?
[02:58] <holstein> thewrath: o/
[03:54] <thewrath> hey holstein
[03:54] <thewrath> how are you
[04:02] <holstein> not bad at all :)
[18:41] <ryan_> Hey, how do I determine my WiFI controller? sudo lshw -C network seems to only show Ethernet
[18:42] <holstein> ryan_: i usually just run lspci and/or lsusb
[18:45] <holstein> ryan_: i would run lspci...
[18:46] <holstein> you can use pastebin if you dont know what is what
[18:46] <holstein> it can be confusing
[18:46] <holstein> also.. it doesnt have to show up there
[18:46] <holstein> that is a different and more challening issue
[18:46] <holstein> in that case, i would look at the hardware.. IRQ conflicts... is it broken
[18:46] <holstein> if you dont see it in lspci, AFAIK, you can get it working
[18:48] <ryan_> Well when i lspci, the format of the data is "title:name" as an example: "Ethernet Controller: Realtek"... what is the title of my Wireless Adapter so I know whether or not is is displayed?
[18:49] <holstein> depends
[18:49] <holstein> !paste
[18:49] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[18:49] <holstein> feel free and dump it in there
[18:52] <holstein> ryan_: it might not be showing up
[18:52] <holstein> ryan_: could be due to lack of support.. or bad hardware, or misconfigured hardware
[20:16] <Strategos> Heya hiya.
[20:23] <Strategos> Welcome back, bizhanMona.
[20:41] <Strategos> Howdy.
[22:05] <dsenator> hi all
[22:05] <dsenator> I have bluetooth adapter issues
[22:05] <dsenator> its not present
[22:37] <DystaN> how to install compiz fusion on ubuntu 12.10  ?
[22:48] <DystaN> there was a software for Ubuntu that you could make wallpapers a slideshow , anyone have any clue ?
[22:48] <holstein> DystaN: there are several AFAIK
[22:49] <DystaN> what would be the most simple one _
[22:49] <DystaN> the basic
[22:49] <holstein> for what operating system?
[22:50] <DystaN> Ubuntu 12.10
[22:51] <holstein> http://emeraldimp.blogspot.com/2012/07/ubuntu-1204-unity-background-slideshow.html looks easy-ish
[22:51] <holstein> DystaN: compiz is running in unity.. depending on your hardware support
[22:52] <holstein> http://blog.mattrudge.net/2012/02/16/567/
[22:53] <holstein> not sure how crebs works with unit
[22:53] <holstein> unity*
[22:53] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1867303&page=2
[23:09] <DystaN> no group tabs in 12.10 repository ? any way around this  ?
[23:09] <DystaN> Ubuntu I mean
[23:10] <holstein> DystaN: group tabs?
[23:13] <DystaN> Compiz effect of grouping your tabs together
[23:13] <DystaN> not here anymore ;( so sad
[23:13] <holstein> DystaN: compiz is pretty much dedicated to supporting unity now
[23:14] <holstein> DystaN: i would add the extras, and see if its in there
[23:15] <holstein> DystaN: what tabs?
[23:20] <DystaN> window tabs
[23:21] <holstein> i would try adding the extras.. share a screenshot if you think that will help
[23:22] <holstein> ive never done anything besides just group then in the task bar
[23:25] <DystaN> it was pretty cool
[23:26] <DystaN> Ive downloaded Utorrent for linux
[23:26] <DystaN> but I am new and I dont know what to do with the file
[23:27] <DystaN> utorrent-server-3.0-ubuntu-10.10-27079.tar.gz


[12:07] <live_> Hi guys, not sure if this is the correct area to ask for advice i do apologize  if this is the wrong area just seeking some advice on first time Linux install
[12:08] <live_> sorry the first part of the sentence is missing
[12:09] <live_> Not sure if this is the correct area to ask for advice on a new Linux install
[12:10] <jea> It is a place you can ask about it
[12:10] <live_> thanks appreciate it
[12:12] <live_> Basically first time installing Pinguy OS, have three primary partitions already for Windows 7 and plenty of free space for the install. I'm aware i am limited to 4 primary partitions and have to use an extended partition but when i use the advance option to add the extended partition i'm not sure or see an area that states "create extended partition"
[12:13] <jea> I can't say I am all that familiar with Pinguy OS
[12:14] <live_> Ok no problem i was thinking as most distributions are based off Ubuntu i thought the installation would all be the same
[12:14] <jea> Seems to be based on Ubuntu
[12:14] <live_> from the little i know it is
[12:15] <jea> Is there an option to use the free space available?
[12:16] <live_> there is and it does offer options as in to set up a swap and root partition etc and another option in relation to mounting but no area that specifically states "extended partion"
[12:17] <live_> is the extension or file system "Ext4" meaning extended partition
[12:17] <jea> Ext4 is the file system that will be used
[12:18] <live_> from what i could see it stated it was a logical partition but i thought you create logical partitions within the main extended partition
[12:18] <jea> I have a feeling that the installer will make the partitions in the way that is needed, without you having to specify extended and logical specifically
[12:20] <live_> the first time i installed i chose the "alongside windows 7" basic option and i had issues with the grub loader, i did manage to get back into Windows 7 and checked how it was partitioned and it showed 5 primary partitions so i was thinking the auto install feature got it wrong and this affected or caused issues within the Grub boot loader
[12:21] <jea> hmm, ok
[12:21] <jea> What type of issues were you seeing with grub?
[12:22] <live_> i was hoping to leave the 3 primary windows 7 alone add an extended partition manually and install Pinguy that way thinking this will avoid errors during boot load. Could not load Windows 7 with grub
[12:25] <live_> I know Grub overwrites the Windows MBR and it is known to cause issues
[12:25] <live_> for dual boot systems
[12:28] <jea> I haven't done dual booting for a while, but I didn't have any issues with Win7 booting at all
[12:30] <live_> I ran Linux Mint in a virtual box which is fine but felt a little slow
[12:31] <live_> i think the issue must be related to the 5 primary partitions the basic alongside install created well i hope lol
[12:31] <live_> i'm a newbie so really have no idea other than the little i have researched
[12:34] <jea> Have you tried the process outlined in http://askubuntu.com/a/164161 ?
[12:41] <live_> Yeah i get a similar looking create partition box that sets the partition as logical, the mount point is left vacant for me to decide and i have no idea about what to use other than i think use "/"
[12:42] <jea> yes, / would be required, seeing as that is the root partition (equivalent to C: on windows)
[12:42] <live_> and no idea about the beginning and end part what to do
[12:43] <live_> it has an install now button also but i wanted to make a data partition also
[12:43] <live_> can i do that later after the install and also create another partition that can be used by windows 7
[12:44] <jea> Yes, you could do it later
[12:46] <live_> So i'm guessing if i choose to install the operating system using the logical partition option it will automatically created an extended primary partition for it
[12:46] <live_> with a logical partition within a primary extension
[12:47] <live_> i was thinking the root system to load up will need to be primary that is why you have to make an extension
[12:47] <live_> i am probably wrong
[12:48] <live_> and no idea if it will automatically create a swap file
[12:52] <jea> If you don't do manual partitioning, then it will create the swap partition, etc for you
[12:52] <jea> if you do entirely manual, then you need to create them yourself
[12:54] <live_> yeah it created it automatically with the basic installer just not sure how to create each partition manually as it only offers a "install now" button
[12:59] <jea> when you create the / partition, choose a size that leaves some free space, so you can create the rest
[13:01] <live_> ok no problem will give that a try, sorry for taking up so much time
[13:02] <jea> that is alright
[13:05] <live_> oh before i leave it has an option to download 3rd party software to play mp3's etc do i really need to use that or does Ubuntu have build in mp3 player software
[13:05] <jea> um, I can't quite remember if there is anything to do mp3s
[13:06] <jea> I suspect you would have to install the other, because from memory mp3 requires a licence
[13:06] <live_> is that done through the software manager if i have to do it later
[13:07] <live_> thanks again for all your help just great to be moving away from Windows for the first time i had no idea that Linux has come so far very easy to use with a GUI


[09:16] <rmg51>  Morning
[12:05] <InHisName> morning
[13:44] <InHisName> I see I am booting from vmlinuz-3.0.0-19-generic, while /boot contains 18 thru 25.    How is grub doing this ?  Is it booting from mount point /boot rather than the mounted drive ?
[13:49] <mikedep333> InHisName, umm
[13:50] <mikedep333> the way grub works is it loads the vmlinux kernels, and possibly other files, from the boot partition
[13:50] <mikedep333> then it tells the kernel what is the root filesystem mount point, which may or may not contain /boot
[13:51] <mikedep333> the /boot parittion & the / partition are both identified by UUID's.
[13:51] <mikedep333> which ensures that it always mounts/uses the correct partition, no matter how you re-arrange your drives
[13:52] <mikedep333> (only sloppy partition/disk cloning could cause 2 partitions to have the same UUID)
[13:52] <mikedep333> as for which vmlinuz kernel it uses
[13:52] <mikedep333> with both GRUB1 & GRUB2, "update-grub" lists all the installed kernels under /boot/
[13:52] <mikedep333> and prepares a menu where you can chose them
[13:53] <mikedep333> there are configuration options, but it should default to either the newest version (in terms of version #),, or the last version you installed
[13:53] <mikedep333> you can of course configure grub (see the ubuntu wiki page) to make you always see the grub boot menu w/ kernel selection for 10 seconds or whatever
[13:54] <mikedep333> or you can hold down left shift during boot to make the grub menu come up manually
[15:06] <ChinnoDog> Morning peeps
[16:09] <InHisName> I've run boot-repair on my machine.
[16:10] <InHisName> It gave me a pastebin of info when it finished.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205044/
[16:10] <InHisName> It seems to know about TWO /boot/ directories.   /dev/sda1/   AND /dev/sdb1/
[16:11] <InHisName> When I update software it updats /dev/sdb1/    BUT when system boots it boots off /dev/sda1/  ......
[16:11] <InHisName> So How to get it to boot off /dev/sdb1/ instead ?
[16:12] <pleia2> hit "e" when you get to the grub screen to edit the boot prompt
[16:12] <pleia2> change it to 1,0 (instead of 0,0)
[16:12] <InHisName> So its buried in the mbr.  I shoulda guessed that.
[16:12] <InHisName> easy to do fix, also.
[16:13] <pleia2> it doesn't persist, so you'll still need to update grub on your system to point to the correct device
[16:13] <InHisName> will that edit be permanent ?
[16:13] <pleia2> no
[16:14] <InHisName> Where to update grub while running ?
[16:14] <pleia2> in /etc/default/grub
[16:14] <ChinnoDog> The BIOS is going to continue bootstrapping from the first hard disk unless there is an option to change it though
[16:14] <pleia2> then run: sudo update-grub
[16:14] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: grub is after the bios
[16:14] <pleia2> with grub you can look at whichever disk you want
[16:15] <ChinnoDog> Yes, but is the goal to eliminate depdendency on /dev/sda or to load the boot sector from /dev/sda1 and boot to /dev/sdb1?
[16:15] <pleia2> (doesn't matter what the bios is doing, as long as it sees both drives)
[16:15] <InHisName> So what app to start to effect the permanent change to grub?
[16:15] <pleia2> the goal is to tell grub that the root filesystem is on sdb1 so it can boot
[16:16] <pleia2> the os
[16:16] <pleia2> InHisName: 09:14:20 < pleia2> then run: sudo update-grub
[16:16] <pleia2> ok, off to work for me
[16:16] <pleia2> good luck :)
[16:17] <InHisName> Ok I guess it was automatic?   It found all the newer kernels in the sdb1 area.
[16:50] <InHisName> One more thing to fix, I needed to adjust bios to boot the 2nd drive first.  Now all is working great again.
[17:17] <InHisName> Working better now.
[18:41] <JonathanD> I found a cell phone.
[18:41] <JonathanD> On the Conshohocken bridge.
[18:41] <JonathanD> Everything on it was in Turkish.
[19:47] <teddy-dbear> Hi peoples
[19:48] <jedijf> JonathanD: sounds like on of my drivers phones
[19:49] <jedijf> JonathanD: look up ekmek in contacts
[19:49] <JonathanD> jedijf: I already returned it.
[19:51] <jedijf> teşekkür
[19:53] <JonathanD> The owner works at the mcds in consh
[19:53] <JonathanD> Google translate helped.
[19:55] <jedijf> haha tell me about it - and i use the android app "Talk To Me" - wish it worked reverse for espionage though
[19:55] <jedijf> i have like 30 word turkish vocabulary and then all my hand gestures
[20:00] <JonathanD> I really just went through the text messages til I found one in english, then texted that guy :P
[20:00] <JonathanD> He said the guy worked at mcd, so I walked over... he was there.
[20:00] <JonathanD> But he speaks almost no english.
[20:01] <JonathanD> This other girl there speaks both englihs and turkish
[21:23] <jedijf> freebase
[21:25] <jedijf> come on waltman - no funky friday?


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[00:27] <lsimmonds2008> Hello, i need some help
[00:29] <Spiegel> I am getting an error on shutting down, any help would be appreciated
[00:29] <Spiegel> [numbers] CIFS VFS: server not responding
[00:29] <Spiegel> [numbers] CIFS VFS: No response for cmd 50 mid 922
[00:37] <lsimmonds2008> just hold the button for 6 seconds
[00:37] <lsimmonds2008> hows that? ):
[00:37] <lsimmonds2008> (:  *
[01:35] <s1amson> anybody had luck with xmms::info pipe?
[01:35] <s1amson> erm
[01:35] <s1amson> i mean xmms::remote
[01:38] <cody-somerville> not i
[01:40] <s1amson> cody-somerville, ever ran into a   Make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
[01:40] <s1amson> i know make works
[01:50] <itai_michaelson> i have an application that minimize itself into the tray. in gnome in i can see it , but how do i see it in xfce?
[01:52] <s1amson> not many people are here. try #xfce
[01:53] <itai_michaelson> i will...
[02:01] <s1amson> damn, i tried gqmpeg with mpg321 but i have the same prollem i had with bmp years ago (never tried bmp since) it wont recourse directories
[03:25] <R3cursive> If I install a new, special kernel that is supposed to be for Ubuntu, will it work with Xubuntu?
[03:29] <R3cursive> sendpass Recursive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <R3cursive> shit
[05:18] <Oloryn> Is there anything tricky about cross-grading a Ubuntu 8.10 machine to Xubuntu 8.10?  Does it require more than 'apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'?  What's the best way to get rid of Ubuntu-specific packages afterwards?
[05:19] <Odd-rationale> !purexfce | Oloryn
[05:20] <Oloryn> Ah, lovely.   TYVM
[05:21] <Odd-rationale> np
[05:22] <Oloryn> I've got an old Armada 7800 laptop whose CD-ROM drive doesn't like the CD-Rs my other systems create.  Simplest thing to do seems to be to install an Ubuntu ShipIt CD, and then crossgrade to Xubuntu
[05:23] <Odd-rationale> Oloryn: well, did you try verifying the iso?
[05:26] <Oloryn> yes, burned 3 different ones.  I've seen this before on this laptop.  It's just the CD-ROM drive itself I think.
[05:28] <Oloryn> But 8.10 finally deals sanely with the display on it (7.04 and 7.10 didn't)
[08:54] <Kred> ls
[08:54] <Kred> wrong window.. wrong computer
[08:54] <ooglebutte> hehe
[08:55] <Kred> Having three keyboards, three screens with multiple xterms..
[08:55] <ooglebutte> that would give me a complex
[10:37] <steph33560> hello
[10:39] <steph33560> How setup firefox to not use opendns ?
[10:39] <steph33560> keyword.url in about:config seems ok, boolean switch to true but typing someting in address bar still goes to opendns :(
[10:39] <ooglebutte> edit/pref will have some options
[10:42] <steph33560> ooglebutte, did not find things in edit/prefs ....
[10:43] <ooglebutte> edit/pref/general/connection settings   was what I was thinking of...
[10:43] <ooglebutte> steph33560: ^
[10:44] <steph33560> ooglebutte, yep seen, gonna check this
[10:47] <steph33560> ooglebutte, can't find this o_O
[10:49] <ooglebutte> steph33560: errr I'm still using ff2...
[10:49] <steph33560> ooglebutte, what is for you the number of the top item you click on (1 to 7)
[10:49] <steph33560> ooglebutte, ha ok
[10:50] <ooglebutte> dapper ftw :)
[10:55] <R1cochet> i wanted to try out xmms 2 but when reading the package info in synaptic i dont see one that is gui, only command based but ive seen tons of skins for it
[10:56] <ooglebutte> !xmms2
[10:57] <ooglebutte> I use mpg123 here
[10:57] <R1cochet> !xmms2
[10:57] <ooglebutte> isn't beep something the recommended replacement for xmms?
[10:58] <R1cochet> i dont know i just wanted a nice player other than audacious
[11:00] <ooglebutte> amorok gets plenty of recommendations - might be heavy on the dependencies tho
[13:15] <crazygir> hiya! when trying to boot the 8.10 livecd, I'm getting these squashfs errors: [222.638986] BUffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block #######  as well as sb_dread failed, unable to read fragment cache, this all just keeps coming. the first number in the brackets increments too.
[13:15] <crazygir> has anyone else run into this?
[13:15] <crazygir> I've tested two separate computers, two separate burned cds, and two separate iso downloads
[13:16]  * crazygir crosses fingers
[13:18] <ldp> crazygir: It basically means the livecd won't work
[13:18] <ldp> Because it has detected bad sectors on your CD drive
[13:18] <ldp> I have never been able to counter this issue, myself
[13:19] <ldp> My alternative is to install it from the alternat install cd
[13:19] <crazygir> this is the main iso off the official download page
[13:19] <ldp> crazygir: Yes, I know
[13:19] <crazygir> I've tried an older cdrw and a brand new, not-scratched, blank cdr
[13:20] <crazygir> ldp: so what is the suggested course-of-action?
[13:20] <crazygir> :P
[13:20] <ldp> crazygir: Get the alternate install CD :D
[13:20] <crazygir> is this common?
[13:20] <crazygir> is the problem in creating the livecd? or in burning? or in media?
[13:21] <ldp> It's usually the iso
[13:21] <ldp> Maybe downloading it again off a different location may help (via torrent, perhaps?)
[13:23] <vidd> crazygir, how old is the system trying to run the cd?
[13:23] <vidd> and does it even get to the point of the menu?
[13:23] <crazygir> vidd: I've used two systems, an older p4 laptop and a newer amd64 desktop
[13:24] <crazygir> vidd: and yes, I get through to the menu
[13:24] <crazygir> if I select either test or install, I run into the errors
[13:24] <vidd> crazygir, the amd64 will not load the i386 image.....
[13:24] <crazygir> what?
[13:25] <crazygir> why? that's insane
[13:25] <vidd> why is that insane?
[13:25] <crazygir> because the amd64 processes 32bit code fine
[13:25] <vidd> why would you expect a amd64 arch to be able to run an image configured for the i386 architecture?
[13:26] <gabkdlly> I have also encountered such IO errors
[13:26] <crazygir> are we really talking about the same thing?
[13:26] <crazygir> vidd: are you saying that an i386 livecd will not run on an amd64 based system?
[13:27] <crazygir> gabkdlly: that's lame
[13:27] <crazygir> :P
[13:27] <vidd> crazygir, let me adjust my statement to *MAY*
[13:27] <crazygir> what?
[13:27] <crazygir> have you used *any* other os?
[13:27]  * vidd has no amd64 processor to test on because of such incompatabilities....
[13:27] <crazygir> 32bit code runs *fine* on an amd64 based system
[13:28] <crazygir> vidd: where are you getting this information?
[13:28] <vidd> from the numerous reports of i386-based apps (such as java and flash) not working properly
[13:29] <vidd> now i MAY be mistaken...there may have been adjustments made to accomodate these incompatabilities
[13:29] <crazygir> vidd: that's trying to get *those* 32bit binaries (because we don't have the code to compile) to run on an amd64 based *OS*
[13:29] <crazygir> now *stop* confusing people with things you don't fully understand
[13:29] <crazygir> :P
[13:30] <crazygir> vidd: the *system* is different from the *OS*
[13:30] <vidd> have you TRIED the amd64 bit image?
[13:30] <crazygir> no, I have no need to
[13:31] <vidd> if your going to attempt to run it on amd64 hardware, you might want to consider it
[13:31] <crazygir> vidd: you are horrendously misinformed here, unless xubuntu is incapable of something *every* other os is
[13:31] <crazygir> vidd: please STOP giving out bad information
[13:31] <crazygir> you are worse than a windows user
[13:31] <crazygir> if you don't know, that's ok
[13:31] <vidd> then tell me....why does PPC not load the i386 image?
[13:32] <vidd> or SPARC?
[13:32] <crazygir> because a powerpc chip *cannot* execute i386 code
[13:32] <crazygir> AMD64's *CAN*
[13:32] <vidd> ah! thats because the architecture of the KERNEL needs to be different!
[13:32] <crazygir> it was part of migrating the consumers
[13:32] <crazygir> oh vidd quit it
[13:32] <vidd> humor me....get the amd64 image
[13:33] <crazygir> thanks to those who corroborated the squash fs errors, I'll try a different iso
[13:34] <crazygir> vidd: no, because you are *not* correct here, and I have no need to run the amd64 image. if this is in fact what xubuntu would need, I'll find another linux distribution
[13:34] <crazygir> please, please, stop mis-informing people vidd
[13:34]  * crazygir wanders off for better things
[14:01] <Myrtti> crazygir: could it be that your cd-rom drive lense is dirty or something? have you tried the cd's on other machines?
[14:05] <Myrtti> crazygir: also did you check the cd integrity with the inbuilt integrity check?
[14:10] <vidd> \0. maxamillion
[14:12] <crazygir> Myrtti: I have tried two separate machines, so yes, I have tried different drives
[14:12] <crazygir> I'm about to download a different iso image to test out
[14:13] <vidd> crazygir, i was mistaken....the amd64 wont work on the i386....but the i386 should work on the amd64
[14:13] <Myrtti> remember to check the md5sum before and after burning
[14:13] <crazygir> vidd: of course.
[14:14] <crazygir> I understand mixing this all up, but be careful with the information you are giving people
[14:14] <vidd> i appologize for the misunderstanding
[14:14] <crazygir> no worries
[14:14] <crazygir> I'm less concerned with me, and more with the newb you might be informing
[14:14] <crazygir> ;)
[14:15] <gabkdlly> crazygir: you would not happen to have a VIA chipset on your IDE controller, would you?
[14:16] <gabkdlly>  VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C perhaps?
[14:16] <crazygir> the possibilities of that is high gabkdlly, at least for one of the systems
[14:16]  * crazygir is checking
[14:16] <crazygir> gabkdlly: I'm assuming that is what you have?
[14:17] <gabkdlly> yes
[16:24] <PrebenR> hi. My wife runs xubuntu on an asus eee 901 PC. It has a 1024x600 display. She wants to connect the laptop to a projector with resolution 800x600. I'm trying to get xrandr to work so that the Asus PC also has 800x600, but if I use --mode 800x600 I get "no mode". How can I add this resolution?
[16:25] <Odd-rationale> PrebenR: did you try xrandr -s 800x600 ?
[16:25] <PrebenR> I tried adding Modes "1024x600" "800x600" "640x480" in the xorg.conf but didn't help
[16:25] <PrebenR> no
[16:26] <PrebenR> tried now
[16:26] <PrebenR> Size 800x600 not found in available modes
[16:27] <Odd-rationale> hmm. can you pastebin the output of "xrandr" ?
[16:27] <PrebenR> in the setting-> display I also just get Defualt and 640x480
[16:28] <PrebenR> wait a bit to connect the asus to the net
[16:36] <evanthia> hi (PrebenR) from asus
[16:36] <evanthia> where is the xrandr output?
[16:37] <vidd> evanthia, you open terminal and type xrandr
[16:37] <evanthia> yes, but there is no output
[16:37] <evanthia> ah
[16:37] <evanthia> that output
[16:38] <evanthia> I thought it was whyle using the -s 800x600 option
[16:38] <evanthia> http://pastebin.com/d327cafa5
[16:39] <evanthia> here is the output
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> evanthia: and how about your xorg.conf?
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> what version of ubuntu is this btw...
[16:39] <evanthia> xubuntu 8.20
[16:39] <evanthia> 8.10
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> k
[16:40] <evanthia> I had the default xorg.conf (no setup)
[16:40] <evanthia> I'll paste the one I use now
[16:41] <evanthia> http://pastebin.com/d65c22a42
[16:43] <evanthia> there are no modelines, but is that needed?
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> evanthia: try adding a DefaultDepth 24 line: http://pastebin.com/m159766e0
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> the restart X (logout) and pastebin the output of xrandr again...
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> then*
[16:47] <evanthia> yes
[16:51] <evanthia> no change to the xrandr output
[16:51] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[16:52] <evanthia> shall I pastebin Xorg.0.log?
[16:54] <sinbox> while you're there: where would I find Xorg logs?
[16:54] <sinbox> everytime I reboot I get a "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" window and I have to manually select the correct monitor, how can I make the change permanent?
[16:55] <neozen> sinbox: /var/log/
[16:55] <neozen> sinbox: will be named Xorg.0.log Xorg.1.log etc
[16:55] <evanthia> http://pastebin.com/d5f9f5524
[16:56] <sinbox> uhoh I think I just made things worse, I now get a "cannot display this video mode" on startup  :/
[16:56] <evanthia> here is the Xorg.0.log
[16:56] <sinbox> arghhh
[16:57] <neozen> sinbox: ....that was quick
[16:57] <neozen> sinbox: did you backup the file before you changed something?
[16:57] <neozen> sinbox: standard procedure for me when dealing w/ xorg.conf
[16:58] <sinbox> well, I'd just tried saving a display setup that worked and rebooted, but it obviously doesn't like it, nope I did not backup anything as I changed it from the "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" startup prompt and just saved the one I had to select everytime, anyway neozen I have to run out so I'll come back some other time to pick people's brain on how to fix this  :)
[16:59] <neozen> sinbox: I may not be here.... but someone who can help you probably will
[17:00] <neozen> sinbox: X is still something of a finicky beast on certain architectures
[17:00] <sinbox> I didn't actually change it by hand but I know for a fact that it has backed up itself automatically on a daily basis since the problkem started so it shouldn't be a problem restoring a working copy anyway :)  I'm sure I'll find someone tommorrow
[17:00] <neozen> sinbox: ::nods::
[17:00] <sinbox> well, this is a prehistoric machine as it happens
[17:00] <sinbox> ;-)
[17:00] <Odd-rationale> evanthia: hmm... what happens if you generate a new xorg.conf (sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg), restart X, and check the output of xrandr?
[17:00] <neozen> sinbox: heeheh
[17:01] <evanthia> same output
[17:01] <evanthia> did it once before
[17:02] <Odd-rationale> evanthia: maybe you card does not support that reolution...
[17:02] <evanthia> it is not the driver?
[17:02] <Odd-rationale> i'm not sure...
[17:04] <evanthia> found it
[17:05] <evanthia> xrandr --newmode "800x600" 38.21 800<PHONE_NUMBER> 600 612 618 631
[17:05] <evanthia> xrandr --addmode LVDS "800x600"
[17:05] <evanthia> works
[17:05] <evanthia> xorg 1.5 doesn't detect all modes
[17:05] <Odd-rationale> ok :)
[17:06] <evanthia> I was finally lucky with the googling :-)
[17:06] <evanthia> thanks for help
[17:06] <Odd-rationale> np.
[17:06] <evanthia> xrandr fives   800x600        60.1
[17:06] <evanthia> gives
[17:07] <evanthia> maybe it is a problem that it is above 60?
[17:07] <sinbox> when I try to cd to /X11 from /etc in a tty it tells me: no such file or directory
[17:08] <sinbox> ok got it got to go there from file system
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> sinbox: if you are in /etc/ , then cd to X11/
[17:10] <evanthia> sinbox: / means root of system, so cd /etc/X11 or cd X11, not cd /X11 because there is no X11 directory in the root
[17:11] <sinbox> so now I probably need to do: "cp ./xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf" to put that backup file in place of the messed up one is that correct?
[17:11] <Odd-rationale> sinbox: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:12] <Odd-rationale> it is always safer to use full name when unsure... :)
[17:13] <sinbox> OK I'll do that, but the backup files seem to have numbers appended rather than a bak extension will report in a couple of minutes
[17:13] <Odd-rationale> sinbox: use tab completion :P
[17:15] <sinbox> yes I've learnt that bit but thanks all the same Odd-rationale :)  rebooting now
[17:15] <sinbox> success booting Xorg graphics into gdm now
[17:16] <Odd-rationale> :D
[17:16] <Odd-rationale> !yay
[17:17] <sinbox> I'm wondering if doing a dpkg-reconfigure Xorg might be the easy way to solve my main problem
[17:17] <sinbox> mind you: I didn't get a low graphics warning so maybe it's already fixed
[17:18]  * sinbox does a full shut down and boot again to check
[17:18] <Odd-rationale> most people can run without an xorg.conf file... like me :P
[17:19] <Odd-rationale> with the new xorg, that is...
[17:19] <sinbox> wow and it works :) guess I hadn't made that much of a mess then ;-)
[17:20] <sinbox> well, I'm on 8.04 as some of the apps I really need seem to have a bunch of issues on 8.10, but I've installed fluxbox to save on ressources and am planning on swapping gdm with either xdm or slim
[17:21] <Odd-rationale> sinbox: or you can use a text login... i did that for a time... :D
[17:22] <sinbox> well, I'm setting up the machine for some DJs to use: computer savvy they're not
[17:22] <sinbox> in fact I might enable autologin for them
[17:30] <sinbox> ok out before I bugger up anything else :D
[18:28] <marco> I have a strange problem with xubuntu 8.10
[18:28] <marco> when xubuntu starts the cpu fan stop
[18:28] <marco> it's not a fake
[18:28] <marco> i really can't uderstand
[18:28] <marco> seems like a problem with power managment
[18:33] <marco> i need to change distro, i can't wait
[18:35] <hhh3> ma dove?
[18:35] <hhh3> che pc hai?
[18:38] <charlie-tca> !it
[21:13] <Craleu> hello, i'd like to ask a question about a install
[21:14] <Craleu> kernel panic - no syncing while trying to install on a dell dimension 5150
[21:21] <Genelyk> it's  burn good cd ?
[21:22] <TheSheep> Genelyk: he's gone
[21:22] <TheSheep> they do it on purpose to annoy us :)
[21:24] <Genelyk> jeje
[21:25] <neozen> dern impatient users ::grin::
[21:25] <neozen> salutations arualavi
[21:26] <arualavi> hi neozen
[21:31] <ryuho-eeepc> anyone know about japanese (or i guess any) language input with scim
[21:31] <ryuho-eeepc> or any other way to input non-english chracters in xubuntu?
[21:31] <ryuho-eeepc> using xubuntu 8.10
[21:32] <TheSheep> !japanese
[21:32] <TheSheep> hmm
[21:33] <ryuho-eeepc> well it's not just japanese
[21:33] <TheSheep> ryuho-eeepc: I just use a compose key
[21:33] <ryuho-eeepc> i can't change from english at all
[21:33] <TheSheep> ryuho-eeepc: but it only works with latin-like characters
[21:33] <ryuho-eeepc> scim doesn't give me an option to change, even if i enabled it in the options
[21:33] <TheSheep> !keyboard
[21:34] <ryuho-eeepc> fdsa
[21:37] <ryuho-eeepc> it just feels like scim isn't working at all
[21:37] <ryuho-eeepc> it wont even do spanish, and i know you don't need to change keyboard layout
[21:37] <ryuho-eeepc> for spanish lol
[22:25] <radicalboy> Hello! Can I run the latest version in this machine: AMD 450mhz, 256mb RAM, 20GB Hardisk, VGA Geforce 4 64MB
[22:25] <radicalboy> ?
[22:25] <Kudi1> Are there any tutorials for optimizing xfce that anyone hear knows one? I have yet find an extensive one.
[22:26] <XFCEntra1> radicalboy: xubuntu should work well for you, and I would first use that instead of Ubuntu (GNOME)
[22:27] <TheSheep> kudi1: not much to optimize in xfce itself
[22:27] <radicalboy> XFCEntra1
[22:27] <radicalboy> i use ubuntu 6.06, but this version is long time ago..
[22:27] <radicalboy> i tried debian also
[22:28] <XFCEntra1> radicalboy: Xubuntu 8.10 shouldn't give you trouble on that hardware. how did debian work for you? was that a current version?
[22:29] <radicalboy> i use debian 4.0.r5 xfce
[22:30] <kudi1> it seams like a lot of you guys dont care about new releases, ha
[22:31] <XFCEntra1> radicalboy: are you concerned the new release of Xubuntu will run slower on that setup?
[22:31] <kudi1> i just wish ubuntu had rolling release
[22:33] <radicalboy> XFCEntra1, i just want a version to work well, without trouble and not slowly
[22:35] <XFCEntra1> and debian etch with xfce wasn't slim enough? you could try using the Fluxbox window manager instead of Xfce. it is a bit bare and you will have to edit config files more often, but it is very light.
[22:36] <XFCEntra1> radicalboy: you might try Fluxbuntu if you're interested in Fluxbox and want a new, debian-base distro to try
[22:48] <kudi1> how do i add places to the xfce menue
[23:19] <my_key> i have a problem with the ath5k driver not functioning after suspend/resume (itrepid with linux-modules-backports-generic package installed). Does anybody know how to fix this?
[23:43] <Kudi1> how do i put "places" in the menu?


[19:27] <wxl> !dmb-ping is cyphermox, jbicha, micahg, rbasak, sil2100, slashd, tsimonq2: DMB ping.
[19:27] <wxl> oh now i got to remember how to do this
[19:28] <krytarik> "!no foo is bar"
[19:28] <wxl> !no dmb-ping is cyphermox, jbicha, micahg, rbasak, sil2100, slashd, tsimonq2: DMB ping.
[19:28] <wxl> yay
[19:29] <wxl> thx krytarik
[19:29] <wxl> makes sense now XD
[19:29] <krytarik> Except I believe you just messed it up by not thinking of the "<reply>" >_>
[19:30] <wxl> there shouldn't be a reply
[19:30] <hggdh> !dmb-ping
[19:32] <wxl> er i thought reply would ping the person who did it
[19:33] <hggdh> !no, dmb-ping is <reply> cyphermox, jbicha, micahg, rbasak, sil2100, slashd, tsimonq2: DMB ping
[19:33] <hggdh> no, still wrong
[19:34] <hggdh> !no, dmb-ping is <reply> cyphermox, jbicha, micahg, rbasak, sil2100, slashd, tsimonq2: DMB ping.
[19:34] <wxl> !dmb-ping
[19:34] <wxl> ok
[19:34] <wxl> when do we NOT use <reply>?
[19:35] <hggdh> when you create a new factoid (IIRC)
[19:35] <wxl> okie dokie
[19:35] <Pici> when you want the factoid to explicitly say foo is bar
[19:35] <Pici> if !foo is the trigger.
[19:35]  * hggdh bows to the master
[19:35] <Pici> otherwise you should pretty much always use it
[19:36] <wxl> oic
[19:54] <krytarik> Or on aliases.


[14:26] <Nikratio> What is the best way to give an upstart job access to the environment variables defined in /etc/environment? Unfortunately upstart does not seem to run pam_env.so, and explicitly sourcing /etc/environment in a script block requires to add additional "export" declarations into the script for all the variables (which is nasty, because I then have to manually  keep the upstart config and /etc/environment in sync)
[14:30] <ion> PAM support is in TODO.
[14:30] <ion> For now, use su.
[14:31] <Nikratio> A plain "su [user] -c command" creates a su:session log entry in auth.log, but the variables are still not defined.
[14:32] <Nikratio> Does it have to be a login-su?
[14:32] <ion> I don’t know offhand, you’ll have to test it.
[14:33] <Nikratio> Actually I did test it, and with su -l it works. I was hoping to extract some info on why that's necessary. But I guess I'm in the wrong room for that ;-)


[11:50] <Chain> hello
[12:39] <studio-devel326> hello!! is it possible to code own snyths in ubuntu studio?
[12:42] <studio-devel326> i mean not like pure data... visual programming languages... i mean more like written in c or something like that...
[12:43] <studio-devel326> is there a own coding language for ubuntu/ubuntu studio?
[15:14] <OvenWerks> He's gone... plugins and synths should be coded in c, c++ and/or asm and should not use any GUI that uses system libs like gtk or qt...
[17:39] <igochan> can't get it up and running on vmware workstation 14. 17.04 worked great


 You're on dapper or something?
[00:23] <nijaba> jetole: if soren and I don't drag our asses out of rooms, we would never get out of the office.
[00:24] <nijaba> would that explain why we do not like closing tabs?
[00:24] <soren> I suppose that's somewhat related, yes :)
[00:24]  * nealmcb wonders what donkeys have to do with the server team :-)
[00:24] <soren> nealmcb: You'd be surprised.
[00:24] <nealmcb> lol
[00:24] <jetole> soren: nope but it has been a while since I had to use iftab. is there replacement for it?
[00:24] <nijaba> donkeys were surprised
[00:25] <soren> jetole: Yes. /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-something
[00:25] <jetole> what DON'T donkeys have to do with the server team?
[00:25] <jetole> cat: /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-something: No such file or directory ;)
[00:27] <jetole> well this file seems odd, I think I will have to RTFM as soon as I can find it
[00:27] <soren> jetole: Reinstall. Something's broken.
[00:27] <nealmcb> reboot a few times first
[00:28] <soren> Yes. An even number of times, of course.
[00:28] <soren> You wouldn't want the AC stabiliser to get out of sync, would you?
[00:28] <soren> jetole: Sorry, make that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules.
[00:30] <soren> jetole: it's quite simple. It's autogenerated by /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[00:30] <soren> jetole: ..if you want to change anything, just move stuff around in the obvious ways.
[00:31] <jetole> I was actually just looking at that from it came up on google and I was about to say this looks a lot easier
[00:31] <jetole> I take it name determined by mac I specify
[00:31] <jetole> like iftab?
[00:36] <soren> Yes, pretty much.
[00:56] <nealmcb> soren, last night jon corbet tipped us off to the most excellent documentation/adventure game of the lguest virtualization code and this delightful thread of lkml: http://kerneltrap.org/node/13992
[00:56] <nealmcb> but I'm probably just way behind the times :)
[01:04] <soren> nealmcb: I hadn't seen that. I'll be looking at it later. It looks like fun :)
[01:04] <soren> Now, it's bedtime, though.
[01:47] <osmosis> http://dpaste.com/28110/    /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error
[01:48] <osmosis> dpkg.log just says   2007-12-14 17:43:59 status half-configured munin-node 1.2.5-1
[02:54] <J-_> Is there a way to use wake on lan with a LAMP server?
[03:51] <Travis> Hi I just put a hard drive in my server from my older server, the data on it is in a format called LVM2 MEMBER, because my old server was LVM, I just need to get the data off it for my new server? how do I go about this?
[05:24] <jetole_> hey guys. I have a question, I compiled a kernel this afternoon using the pre-existing config that came with my system in /boot, after several tries I didn't change anything in it so I should have a duplicate kernel
[05:24] <jetole_> using this new kernel with a copy and paste in grub or with update-grub I had identical grub entries for either kernel and yet the new one would not boot my system
[05:25] <jetole_> it claimed unknown type of media for UUID
[05:25] <jetole_> why would a kernel using the exact same config file have this issue?
[15:52] <mattwalston> dhcpd3 fails to start-up quietly and does not leave any trace in logs after moving to gutsy.  Any suggestions?
[16:00] <mattwalston> let me clarify... dhcpd3 does not start and returns no output
[16:04] <mattwalston> Define ubuntu problem, dhcpd3 works fine if started manually, init script fails everytime... any ideas?
[17:49] <moos3> i need some samba help, i use to remember how to get my system account to be able to log in, I can't remember can someone help me
[17:54] <soren> moos3: "smbpasswd -L -a username" probably.
[17:55] <moos3> but for every user?
[17:55] <moos3> I have some 500 users
[17:56] <moos3> I would use ldap but everytime I install ldap it kills my ubuntu installation
[17:58] <soren> Samba can't authenticate against the system user database (/etc/passwd and /etc/shadow)
[17:59] <soren> Well, yes, if you're running win 95 and can set it to unencrypted logins, but I'm guessing you're not..
[18:01] <soren> moos3: LDAP is surely what you want.
[18:03] <moos3> yeah i was hoping to avoid it because on 7.04 i keeps killing my kernels and recover images
[18:03] <moos3> 7.10 wont even run on my server hardware
[18:03] <soren> LDAP cannot kill your kernel.
[18:03] <moos3> trust me last time I had ldap on my server it shit the bed and wont even boot
[18:04] <soren> You realise that there are other things than the kernel involved in booting, right?
[18:04] <moos3> yeah I know that
[18:04] <soren> And you still believe ldap "killed your kernel"?
[18:05] <soren> You need to qualify that statement somehow? I've not seen a bug report about anything of the sort.
[18:05] <moos3> it killed everything I'm sure its what led to the corrupt kernel
[18:05] <soren> You're trying to fix the wrong problem here.
[18:06] <soren> You tried doing things the right way (use ldap), and failed miserably ("killed your kernel"( and now you want to do things the wrong way instead..
[18:07] <moos3> fresh install the first thing I did was upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 then installed ldap then I logged off and lost power a hour or so later it wouldn't boot it just hanged on kernel load
[18:08] <soren> a) That makes no sense. LDAP does not get anywhere near your kernel. If you've upgraded to 7.04 and lost power before having a chance to reboot it, yes, your kernel might very well be in a bad state due to not having been synced to disk. This has nothing to do with ldap.
[18:08] <moos3> so I had to go thought the miserable install process again because 7.04 doesn't have hardware support for my server, I spent about 2 hours of reinstall time
[18:08] <soren> Besides, you said "every time". This is a single instance, I hope?
[18:09] <moos3> nope I have tried it install first then upgrade to 7.04, then reboot, no go, i got everything install now with out ldap and life is good, but I need to get system users to access, and I'm not going to have a choice but to use ldap
[18:10] <moos3> in bsd I have never had this type of problem before,
[18:11] <soren> You're messing things up here.. Why don't you install 7.04 directly instead of upgrading?=
[18:11]  * soren will be right back
[18:12] <moos3> because 7.04 install hangs at 21% when loading libc6-udeb
[18:12] <moos3> same with 7.10
[18:13] <mattwalston> What's new in virtualization?  Should I go with vmware-server or xen on gutsy?
[18:17] <sommer> hey all, anyone a moderator to the ubuntu-server mailing list?
[18:22] <soren> sommer: Yes?
[18:22] <sommer> soren: I just sent a message with an attachment of 137k.  just wondering if that could go through this once?
[18:23] <sommer> trying to get some help with a backup section to the server guide.
[18:23] <soren> sommer: Already did. Like 27 seconds after you sent it.
[18:23] <soren> sommer: More than 15 minutes ago, surely.
[18:23] <sommer> soren: oh cool, thank you very much
[18:23] <soren> sommer: np :)
[18:23] <sommer> I just saw the bounce message
[18:24] <soren> sommer: Ah. I might get the notification about stuff needing moderation faster than you get the bounce message. :) Don't know.
[18:24] <sommer> soren: probably not, but I started writing another message right after sending.  so I didn't check for new mail right away.
[18:25] <soren> sommer: Oh, got it.
[18:25] <soren> moos3: I see. I need to make a phone call right now. I'll get back to you later.
[18:25] <moos3> ok
[18:26] <moos3> i got a bunch of python to write, just let me know when your back
[18:59] <Matts> are there problems with mdadm when deleting MD's in the server edition during the installation ?
[20:06] <ember> jdstrand: there?
[20:08] <ember> bug 176175
[20:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176175 in linux-ftpd-ssl "CVE-2007-6263: security vulnerability in linux-ftpd-ssl" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176175
[23:57]  * MatBoy solved it..


[00:18] <xubuntu32w> I have xubuntu 14-04 and how do I up grade to the lastest one
[00:18] <xangua> xubuntu32w: why?
[00:18] <xangua> Why you wanna upgrade to the "latest one"?
[00:19] <xubuntu32w> cuz my computer keeps asking me and then when I put my password in it does nothing
[00:19] <xubuntu32w> i guess I don't have too
[00:21] <xangua> xubuntu32w: what message do you actually get?
[03:42] <xubuntu57w> Hi! I am on Xubuntu 14.04. My Gnumeric is 1.12.9. When I try yo use the "Customize Chart" window in Gnumeric, I get sub-windows in its tabs which are very, very small, making it extremely hard to change parameters for each plot. about 70% of the "Customize Chart" window is entirely unused (gray).
[04:13] <Behi> Hi all, if Chrome freezes your system entirely from time to time, could you please do me a favor and upvote this bug report: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=586926
[04:13] <Behi> I have spent a week or so on this bug report. I have also reported it to freedesktop.org: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94109
[04:13] <krytarik> !crosspost | Behi
[04:13] <Behi> Sorry, krytarik
[10:28] <jorhel> i just installed xubutu trusty tahr on my PC everything was working fine until my password stopped working and to boot I'm mow locked out of the system. How do I reset it short of re installing it and more to the point what happened to my password?
[10:34] <Guest73956> hello #xubuntu
[10:35] <DiamondSword> anyone around please ?
[10:36] <dkessel> !ask | DiamondSword
[10:37] <DiamondSword> oh ok
[10:38] <DiamondSword> I had brightness issue, just installed Xubuntu. I followed this: http://itsfoss.com/fix-brightness-ubuntu-1310/ brightness seems ok now but I cannot change it.
[10:38] <DiamondSword> power options, there is percent level for that on AC or on battery but nothing changes.
[10:38] <DiamondSword> what do I miss?
[10:39] <DiamondSword> also fn keys for brightness not working..
[10:39] <DiamondSword> I have a Asus laptop and using xubuntu 14.04 lts
[11:33] <DiamondSword> I've downloaded open sans .ttf files but don't know how to install them..
[11:34] <DiamondSword> there is a guide here http://www.binarytides.com/gorgeous-looking-fonts-ubuntu-linux/ but /usr/share/fonts/ folder not have others fonts in it, there are folders. where should I paste the fonts I've downloaded to install?
[11:34] <knome> you can create a new subdirectory in the directory you mentioned for open sans
[11:35] <knome> or if you only need the fonts for you user, you can put them in /home/user/.fonts
[11:36] <knome> or even alternatively, if you only install a few fonts, double clicking the font file should open a dialog that enables you to install the font
[11:38] <DiamondSword> knome, double clicking opens window "open with" not the dialog to install the font.
[11:38] <knome> okay. you can use any of the other two methods i told you then
[11:39] <DiamondSword> knome, I'm new to this
[11:40] <DiamondSword> I cannot have the option create file on file manager at /usr/share/fonts
[11:43] <knome> you'll need to use sudo to do that
[11:44] <knome> so if you only need it for your user, put the font in /home/user/.fonts
[11:45] <DiamondSword> knome, I don't have home/user partition but I copied them to a new folder at /usr/share/fonts/opensans and it works.
[11:45] <DiamondSword> thank you!
[11:46] <knome> user being your username
[11:46] <knome> and np
[12:43] <xubuntu96w> why there are no checksums or signatures enclosed with downloads? I want to verify integrity of the image like pretty anything I install
[12:43] <xubuntu96w> I mean on the page where downloads are
[12:45] <knome> captngrumpy, please stop
[12:46] <captngrumpy> knome: sorry!
[12:47] <knome> xubuntu96w, torrents are the preferred method to download - with them, you don't need the checksums because that's done automatically; for the direct mirror downloads, the sums are on the download pages for them
[12:48] <DiamondSword> I installed touchpad-indicator_1.0.4-0extras14.04.1_all.deb via ubuntu software center. I want to remove it but can't find on ubuntu software center. how to remove it?
[12:48] <xubuntu96w> I dl-ded via torrent but I still want to verify it - gpg signature'd be the best
[12:50] <knome> DiamondSword, sudo apt-get remove touchpad-indicator
[12:50] <knome> xubuntu96w, you can get the sums from any of the (http) mirrors
[12:55] <DiamondSword> thank you knome
[17:38] <GeekDude> My sound settings window appears to have gone
[17:38] <GeekDude> Might be related to when I accidentally broke xfce
[17:38] <GeekDude> rather, uninstalled some necessary xubuntu packages
[17:38] <GeekDude> though I thought that was fixed when I ran apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:42] <knome> or in other words, you removed something you are uncertain of, and now you want our psychic skills to tell you what it was?
[20:43] <sim642> I came back to my laptop to unlock it but it just froze on the unlock screen and now just shows "This session is locked"
[20:43] <sim642> trying to login from a TTY doesn't work either, it just freezes after getting the password
[21:43] <Guest64296> do you use xfce's task manager or?
[21:43] <Guest64296> maybe gnome system monitor?
[21:44] <Guest64296> I like both, but xfce's application finder not seem to work on task manager.
[21:44] <Guest64296> any ideaa?
[21:44] <Guest64296> *ideas
[21:44] <knome> ideas for what?
[21:45] <Guest64296> why application finder not working on xfce's task manager..
[21:45] <Guest64296> does it work on you, knome ?
[21:45] <knome> i don't use the application finder
[21:47] <xangua> Yes, it does
[21:49] <Guest64296> xangua?
[21:49] <Guest64296> it seems to work, but not find any.
[21:50] <Guest64296> I'm coming from Windows, normally I should start first mysql service and then mysql workbench can connect to the mysql server.
[21:51] <Guest64296> here on xubuntu, I've started mysql workbench and it connected.
[21:51] <xangua> By finder you mean whisker? Because that's what I'm referring
[21:51] <Guest64296> I want to see if mysql service is working ..
[21:51] <Guest64296> xangua, no. task manager's app finder, I mean
[21:52] <Guest64296> xangua, button on top left when you run task manager
[21:52] <Guest64296> so, I can't find mysql there, running processes
[21:52] <Guest64296> I did "show all processes"
[21:56] <Guest64296> g'night


[05:04] <rsc-> mouse still not working :( i tried to do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but to no avail
[17:57] <xivulon> thorwil: hi
[17:58] <thorwil> hi xivulon
[17:59] <thorwil> xivulon: i started with the window but worked on other things the last days
[17:59] <thorwil> xivulon: should be able to get it done this weekend
[18:00] <thorwil> brb, gotta kill compiz before it eats the rest of my memory
[18:02] <thorwil> and now it's dinner time :) bbl
[18:04] <xivulon> thorwil: looking forward to it :)
[18:06] <xivulon> you think you could make distro-specific versions?
[18:06] <xivulon> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid/files/512?file_id=images-20070323003246-kfymva6ngvn1pjt3-1
[18:07] <xivulon> basically each wubi dialog has 2 images a largish vertical one http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid/annotate/512?file_id=kubuntukde4vertical.-20080228003518-tqfen30v2gxl2gl0-3
[18:07] <xivulon> and a header one http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid/annotate/512?file_id=kubuntukde4header.bm-20080228003518-tqfen30v2gxl2gl0-1
[18:07] <xivulon> the current masterpieces are my own
[18:07] <xivulon> ...so they'd better be disposed of...
[18:08] <xivulon> background is white
[18:37] <thorwil> xivulon: the window will not hint a hint at ubuntu vs. kubuntu, except if you take a brown window frame as such
[18:39] <thorwil> xivulon: plus the window will not work for the vertical format
[18:39] <thorwil> xivulon: i think you should just remove the drop shadows and go with the plain logos
[18:40] <thorwil> "hint at hint", arg, give a hint of course
[18:52] <Cimi> hi guys
[18:59] <Nece228> Cimi: Hi Sir!
[19:00] <Cimi> lol, now I'm sir =)
[19:00] <Nece228> Cimi: Yes Sir!
[19:00] <Nece228> lol
[19:01] <xivulon> thorwil ok hopefully I kept the svg somewhere
[19:14] <Nece228> Noobish question - why i should use svg instead of png or jpg?
[19:18] <Cimi> Nece228, svg is a vectorial image
[19:18] <Cimi> basically, it's an xml
[19:18] <Cimi> you can open a svg with gedit, nano, vim, what you want (notepad)
[19:18] <Nece228> Cimi: i heard that
[19:19] <Cimi> being vectorial, it can be easily scaled
[19:19] <Nece228> Cimi: hmm, so this is main difference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bitmap_VS_SVG.svg
[19:19] <Nece228> Cimi: svg preserves shapes
[19:20] <Nece228> Cimi: but svg of course is much slower
[19:20] <Cimi> did you do some math/physics at school?
[19:20] <Nece228> Cimi: yeah sure
[19:20] <Cimi> the svg has vectors
[19:20] <Cimi> for example
[19:20] <Cimi> draw a line from x to y
[19:21] <Nece228> Cimi: yeah
[19:21] <Cimi> while a png has pixel: pixel (x=10, y=250) is red, pixel (x=10, y=251) is blue, pixel (x=10, y=252) is purple ...
[19:22] <Cimi> so when you load a svg you can specify x, y, width height
[19:22] <Cimi> with a png you can rescale, but you don't have precision
[19:23] <Cimi> svg is useful to draw big icons (128x128, 256x256
[19:23] <Cimi> or drawing projects
[19:23] <Nece228> Cimi: im getting your mind
[19:24] <Nece228> Cimi: thats why when im zooming nautilus icons to 400% icons are still pretty
[19:24] <Cimi> exactly
[19:25] <Cimi> x and y are the same
[19:25] <Cimi> width and height changes from 48x48 to 256x256 (for example)
[19:25] <Nece228> Cimi: well thank you for your useful information
[19:25] <Cimi> the lines automatically are drawn correctly
[19:25] <Cimi> from x to width
[19:25] <Cimi> for example ;)
[19:26] <Cimi> but at the same time, even the colors are stored in the xml file
[19:26] <Cimi> you can change those colors on the fly, or you can set a palette shared by icons
[19:27] <Cimi> with gimp you can't specify colors, while with inkscape you can play with every single line
[19:28] <Cimi> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4643787796978610202
[19:28] <Cimi> see this video
[19:28] <Cimi> it's more than what I could try to explain here
[19:29] <Nece228> Cimi: thanks


[21:49] <valleycat> what's the best way to make a bootable USB drive (with ubuntu GNOME) that a MBP will able to be booted from? I tried to search for it but the things I've found haven't wored
[21:49] <valleycat> worked*
[21:51] <valleycat> (and my optical drive broke)


[03:00] <ohsix> any idea why bug 711429 is nonpublic?
[03:00] <ubot2> ohsix: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/711429)
[03:01] <ohsix> marking a public bug a duplicate of a private one suxxx
[03:08] <bjf> ohsix, i've added a somment asking why it's private
[03:08] <ohsix> ok, thanks
[03:08] <bjf> ohsix, not sure why you are asking in the kernel channel though, you might get more satisfaction in #ubuntu-devel
[03:09] <ohsix> well, eyes; most things i have to ask about are fleeting in interest :]
[03:09] <ohsix> it being private is almost good for me; then i don't have to follow up on the public one i posted
[03:12] <bjf> ohsix, it was marked a duplicate by a bot
[03:12] <ohsix> right
[03:13] <bjf> ohsix, i'm trying to find out who "ownes" the bot, it shouldn't automatically mark public bugs duplicates of private bugs
[03:14] <ohsix> keen, i've had it happen two or three times; wondered why it took that path
[03:14] <bjf> ohsix, there's probably a way to file a bug against the bot
[03:18] <bjf> ohsix, email sent, i'm guessing this will get fixed up fairly quickly
[03:18] <ohsix> much appreciated
[11:19] <apw> herton, http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/jfo/kernel-buglist-by-team.html
[11:21] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelGitGuide
[11:21] <apw> https://www.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[11:43]  * apw pops to run some errands
[12:19] <lag> Why would debian/tests/check-aliases fail?
[12:56] <apw> lag, aliases are module aliases i beleive
[12:56] <apw> does it produce any output when it fails ?
[12:56] <apw> lag, it should have done
[12:56] <lag> apw: No it didn't
[12:56] <apw> it is saying that there are two entries for the same alias
[12:57] <lag> apw: The 'die' died, but didn't produce output
[12:57] <lag> apw: I know what's wrong
[12:57] <apw> lag, can i see the log up to that point pls
[12:57] <SamuraiAlba> any fix for the "cannot reserve MMIO region" issue?
[12:57] <lag> apw: The debian packaging system does not use $(make kernelversion)
[12:58] <apw> it does make vmlinuz or similar right?
[12:58] <lag> Instead it looking for ./debian/linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-1000-u8500/lib/modules/2.6.35-7-1000-u8500/modules.alias
[12:58] <lag> Sorry, other way round
[12:59] <apw> it does a make O=debian/build/build-flavour vmlinuz or whatever to be more accurate
[12:59] <apw> which should work
[12:59] <lag> Well $(make kernelversion) produces <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:59] <SamuraiAlba> The "cannot reserve MMIO region" is cutting into my boot time on Ubuntu 10.10 :)
[12:59] <lag> And the debian packaging system is using 2.6.35
[13:00] <apw> SamuraiAlba, i don't think i know that issue, got a bug # ?
[13:00] <lag> So it's not looking in the correct directory for modules.alias
[13:01] <apw> the default is to install them insto 2.6.NN-ABI-flavour
[13:01] <apw> that is where they are on my system
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> Bug #577842 in linux (Ubuntu): “shpchp cannot reserve mmio region”
[13:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 577842 in linux "shpchp cannot reserve mmio region" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/577842
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/577842
[13:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 577842 in linux "shpchp cannot reserve mmio region" [Low,Triaged]
[13:01] <SamuraiAlba> ahhh
[13:01] <apw> lag, mumble ?
[13:01] <apw> feels like we are spinning round each other
[13:02] <lag> apw: Sure
[13:03] <lag> apw: https://wiki.linaro.org/PackageYourOwnKernel
[13:05] <apw> apw@dm$ make EXTRAVERSION='' kernelversion
[13:05] <apw> 2.6.38
[13:05] <apw> lag, ^^
[13:07] <lag> apw: linux-u8500 (<IP_ADDRESS>-1000.0) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[13:12] <apw> apw@dm$ fdr printenv | grep 2.6.35
[13:12] <apw> lag, could you paste the output of that
[13:14] <lag> apw: https://pastebin.linaro.org/19/
[13:16] <lag> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561921/
[14:02] <soren> Are kernel uploads to natty on a specific schedule (like e.g. every Thursday) or what triggers an upload?
[14:03] <tgardner> soren, its fairly adhoc. we're waiting for the A2 release cycle to finish, then we'll upload when -rc3 is out.
[14:05] <soren> tgardner: I see, ok.
[14:05] <soren> tgardner: Cool, thanks.
[14:35] <apw> smb, fyi i see you assigned self to CVE-2010-0435 in the cve tracker, but was not reflected in the Awsome sheet, corrected
[14:35] <ubot2> apw: The Hypervisor (aka rhev-hypervisor) in Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization (RHEV) 2.2, and KVM 83, when the Intel VT-x extension is enabled, allows guest OS users to cause a denial of service (NULL pointer dereference and host OS crash) via vectors related to instruction emulation. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-0435)
[14:36] <smb> apw, did I? That sounds like some old cruft somehow...
[14:36] <smb> IOW before awesome sheet existed
[14:36] <apw> smb, could well be, but as you are assigned noone else will touch it
[14:36] <apw> and its xen :)
[14:37] <smb> apw, No kvm
[14:37]  * tgardner thinks smb likes xen
[14:37] <smb> apw, But anyway IIRC that was the one I thought had been moved to completed
[14:37] <apw> oh yeah, doh, can't read for looking
[14:37] <smb> tgardner, As much as I like tax declarations :-P
[14:37] <apw> smb, could be ... prob best you sanity check it
[14:38] <smb> apw, yup, will do. Thanks for the heads up
[14:40] <tgardner> sconklin, I pushed a bunch of CVE updates on the maverick ti-omap branch. since I cherry-picked them from maverick master-next, do you think we need to go through the mailing list ACK process? I'm thinking not.
[14:43] <sconklin> tgardner: no, especially if they cherry picked cleanly
[14:44] <tgardner> sconklin, yep, that was sorta my criteria as well
[14:47] <apw> tgardner, if the patch had an ack as a patch and applies clean its just noise otherwise
[14:47] <apw> tgardner, is that a .33 branch?
[14:47] <tgardner> .35
[14:47] <tgardner> I went through all of maverick master-next and cherry-picked the CVE patches
[14:50] <apw> tgardner, i think we should take an ack on maverick to mean an ack for all 2.6.35 based branches; if they arn't a rebase then i'd expect them to get it via cherry without additional comment
[14:51] <tgardner> apw, yep, I think I'll codify that as policy in the wiki.
[14:52] <apw> ack
[14:52] <apw> right i am off-ski  .. speak latetr
[14:53] <tgardner> apw, later dude...
[15:04] <lag> kamal: Hi :)
[15:04] <kamal> lag: hey man, howdy
[15:04] <lag> kamal: I'm playing around with GPG keys (only because I have to :))
[15:05] <lag> What's the difference between full and ultimate?
[15:06] <lag> And how do I change my new uids from unknown to full/ultimate?
[15:06] <kamal> lag: http://www.queen.clara.net/pgp/art4.html
[15:06] <lag> Oh, they're already ultimate. They were unknown before?
[15:07] <kamal> lag: you can mark other people's keys as "full" trust, meaning that you have a high level of trust in their signatures when they appear on other keys ...
[15:07] <kamal> lag: you should mark (only) your own key as "ultimate", so that gpg will realize that it should absolutely positively trust any key that you yourself have signed.
[15:07] <lag> kamal: Did you 'make' me do that for you when you signed my keys?
[15:08] <kamal> lag: when you create your own key, gpg automatically assigns it "ultimate"
[15:08] <lag> kamal: Make them 'full' I mean
[15:08] <kamal> I didn't adivse you to fiddle with the trust levels at all
[15:08] <lag> kamal: Is 'full' the default then?
[15:09] <lag> kamal: For other people's keys I man
[15:09] <lag> mean*
[15:09] <kamal> lag: no, i think the default should be "no trust" for other peoples keys
[15:12]  * kamal afk for a bit
[15:12] <lag> kamal-afk: No problem - thanks for your help
[15:37] <kamal> lag: got it sorted out?
[15:38] <lag> kamal: I do - thanks dude :)
[15:38] <kamal> lag: excellent :-)
[15:54] <amitk> anybody's seen (or done) any changes related to the number of open files in the natty kernel? I've just installed natty for the first time and mutt is constantly complaining about "too many files open".
[15:54] <amitk> wonder if anything changed in the kernel before I go search for mutt bugs
[15:55] <tgardner> amitk, nothing that we've done on purpose.
[15:55] <tgardner> amitk, apw uses mutt.
[15:56] <tgardner> as does pgraner IIRC
[15:56] <amitk> tgardner: yes, I know. I was hoping he'd hit the problem first ;)
[15:56] <tgardner> amitk, you're just lucky I guess
[16:22] <bjf> herton, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel  these are the simplest instructions we have, you can build upon them
[16:23] <herton> ok, thanks
[16:30] <tgardner> JFo, what tags should a CVE bug have in order to avoid getting spammed?
[16:30] <tgardner> JFo, bug #711341 for example
[16:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711341 in linux "CVE-2010-3880" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711341
[16:31] <bjf> tgardner, i am putting "kernel-cve-tracker" on all my cve bugs
[16:31]  * JFo adds that to the ignore list
[16:32] <tgardner> bjf, so much shit to remember, so little ability
[16:32] <bjf> JFo, i think i mentioned it the other day but can't remember now
[16:32]  * JFo checks
[16:32] <bjf> tgardner, i think i put it on the wiki page, will verify
[16:33] <bjf> tgardner, yup, it's there, 3rd bullet under #2
[16:33] <JFo> bjf, I don't see it, but I am adding it now
[16:33] <bjf> JFo, ack
[16:34] <bjf> tgardner, also part of 3. Create an LP bug
[16:34] <tgardner> are we both looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/FixingCVEs ?
[16:35] <bjf> tgardner, yup
[16:35] <JFo> k, fixed and pushed. Let me know of any other tags you want ignored as you remember them :)
[16:36] <bjf> there is a section above where you added your ARM branch text "3. Create an LP bug"
[16:36] <bjf> tgardner, ^
[16:37] <tgardner> bjf, sconklin: I'm rev'ing the ARM kernels beginning with Lucid. where is the wiki page that shows all of the flavours and notes for maintenance?
[16:37] <sconklin> stand by while I find it
[16:37]  * tgardner did a lazy search with no results
[16:40] <JFo> doing another script run now, let me know if you see any other glaring fails
[17:01] <bjf> JFo, can you approve my nominations for bug #712609 ?
[17:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712609 in linux "CVE-2010-4248" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712609
[17:01] <JFo> yessir
[17:02] <JFo> bjf, done
[17:03] <bjf> JFo, thanks
[17:03] <JFo> my pleasure
[17:11] <apw> amitk, yep i use mutt, have used it relativly recently on .38 i thought
[17:11]  * apw wonders at the wonders of 3G
[17:14] <amitk> apw: I'm running 'watch -n20 "lsof | grep mutt | wc -l"' to track the number of open files, 884 currently (in ~1hr)
[17:24] <JFo> smb, is bug 445456 still a CVE issue or is it marked incorrectly?
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 445456 in linux "kvm hangs booting windows XP Pro SP2 or later, since at least 2.6.28-15" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445456
[17:26] <smb> JFo, I don't think that ever was one. But let me quick check the reference
[17:28] <JFo> ok
[17:28] <JFo> has a CVE ref in the description it looks like
[17:28] <smb> JFo, Hmm, its long ago but the refence is not completely unrelated. Leave it as is for the moment
[17:28] <smb> I will need to have a closer look
[17:28] <JFo> ok
[17:28] <JFo> thanks for looking smb :)
[17:29]  * smb decides to not only hate xen
[17:36] <JFo> jjohansen, are you still working on bug 326849?
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 326849 in linux "KVM Kernel bugs in intrepid guests under jaunty host" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/326849
[17:36] <JFo> it looks stale/old
[17:37] <smb> At least both would be unsupported by now...
[17:37] <JFo> my thoughts too :)
[17:37] <jjohansen> JFo: I think I let that one fall off when it went unsupported
[17:38] <JFo> k, I'll close as out of support
[17:38] <JFo> thanks for looking jjohansen :)
[17:39] <jjohansen> hrmm no, no I let that one go when we couldn't get the extra info and kirland moved to invalid
[17:39] <jjohansen> so even before it was out of support
[17:39] <JFo> yeah, closed WONTFIX
[17:39] <JFo> :)
[17:55] <amitk> apw: can you tell me the output of 'ls -1 /proc/<pid>/fd | wc -l' where <pid> is the pid for mutt on natty
[17:58] <JFo> amitk, I am running your command (for the last while since you posted it) and I only see 33 max
[17:58] <JFo> but that is on Maverick
[17:58] <JFo> are you looking from Natty?
[17:58] <JFo> perhaps I missed that
[17:59] <amitk> JFo: Natty, yes. I've got 1024 open
[17:59] <JFo> hmm
[18:00]  * JFo kicks his natty box on
[18:00] <JFo> give me a bit to test some
[18:00] <amitk> JFo: thanks!
[18:00] <JFo> and I'll let you know what I see
[18:00] <JFo> amitk, my pleasure
[18:00] <jjohansen> amitk: 3
[18:01] <jjohansen> amitk: of course mutt is also spitting back an error message so that may be of no help
[18:01] <amitk> jjohansen: what error message?
[18:02] <jjohansen> no such file or directory
[18:02] <jjohansen> amitk: are you using maildir
[18:03] <amitk> jjohansen: I am
[18:03] <jjohansen> hrmmm so a bug in mutts maildir handling for you
[18:03] <jjohansen> is 1024 your max fd for a process?
[18:04] <amitk> jjohansen: strace'ing mutt is showing several messages like : "open("/home/amit/Mail/Canonical/ubuntu.kernel-team/new", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 EMFILE (Too many open files)"
[18:04] <amitk> jjohansen: I didn't change anythning explicitly, haven't checked the default yet
[18:04] <jjohansen> amitk: yep, its hit the per process limit
[18:04] <amitk> so much for switching to natty toda
[18:04] <amitk> y
[18:05] <JFo> :-/
[18:06] <jjohansen> amitk: you can always up the limit with ulimit but there is definitely a bug if its got 1024 open
[18:09] <jjohansen> amitk: I check what my default limits are for maverick and natty and they are the same
[18:10] <jjohansen> cat /proc/<pid>/limits
[18:14] <cking> amitk, looks like the mutt developer does not subscribe to as many mailing lists as you do.
[18:17] <jjohansen> my bet is he doesn't subscribe to lkml
[18:17] <jjohansen> and neither do the thunderbird or evo developers
[18:17] <amitk> cking: :) I don't download my lkml email. I use gmail to search thru lkml
[18:18] <JFo> same here
[18:19] <JFo> painful even then
[18:22] <amitk> jjohansen: seems like a mutt bug for sure, or something funky in my setup. http://paste.ubuntu.com/562128/
[18:22] <jjohansen> yeah I would say a mutt bug too
[18:42] <JFo> <- lunch
[19:03]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:42] <tgardner> JFo, why are some of these old bugs getting stroked? bug #185025 has its importance changed, but its been fix released for over 3 years.
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 185025 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Coolermaster Xcraft 360 USB drive fails" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185025
[19:46] <JFo> tgardner, that isn't me
[19:47] <JFo> nor any of the scripts
[19:47] <JFo> I use
[19:47] <tgardner> JFo, k
[19:47]  * JFo inquires elsewhere
[19:48] <tgardner> sconklin-afk, bjf - how do you guys initiate a pocket copy from the c-k-t PPA? Subscribe the SRU team, or just annoy pitti on IRC?
[19:50] <bjf> annoy pitti
[19:50] <bjf> tgardner, ^
[19:58] <JFo> tgardner, per the LP guys, apparently there was a change to how they calculate that from upstreams
[19:58] <JFo> so that was expected
[19:59] <tgardner> JFo, hmm, seems like useless churning.
[20:00] <JFo> I agree, but apparently it is an attempt to do the right thing(tm)
[20:01] <JFo> :)
[20:16]  * JFo steps away to wrangle with his Natty machine
[20:16] <JFo> brb
[20:16] <tgardner> kees, are USN noticed automatically generated? In looking at the Dapper USN I noticed that not all of the CVEs in the changelog were reflected in the USN.
[20:16] <tgardner> notices*
[20:18] <kees> tgardner: they are manually generated because the changelogs are misleading. :)
[20:18] <kees> tgardner: the 3 CVE mentioned in dapper were already fixed in a prior release.
[20:18] <kees> tgardner: but those fixes were reverted in favor of the identical upstream fixes.
[20:19] <kees> i.e.:
[20:19] <kees>   * Revert "SAUCE: AF_ECONET prevent kernel stack overflow"
[20:19] <kees> vs
[20:19] <tgardner> kees, ok, looks like you're right.
[20:19] <kees>   * econet: fix CVE-2010-3848
[20:19] <kees>     - CVE-2010-3848
[20:19] <ubot2> kees: Stack-based buffer overflow in the econet_sendmsg function in net/econet/af_econet.c in the Linux kernel before <IP_ADDRESS>, when an econet address is configured, allows local users to gain privileges by providing a large number of iovec structures. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3848)
[20:19] <ubot2> kees: Stack-based buffer overflow in the econet_sendmsg function in net/econet/af_econet.c in the Linux kernel before <IP_ADDRESS>, when an econet address is configured, allows local users to gain privileges by providing a large number of iovec structures. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3848)
[20:20]  * kees nods
[20:20] <kees> argh ubot2
[20:21] <tgardner> kees, how do you want to handle linux-mvl-dove which I just uploaded to the c-k-t PPA. Do you need a USN for them since they contain some CVE patches ?
[20:24] <kees> tgardner: yup, if it goes into -security in main, it needs a USN. we can treat linux-mvl-dove just like all the others.
[20:25] <kees> i.e. once the archive admin copies it to -security, we'll generate and send the USN for it.
[20:25] <kees> tgardner: do you want me to add mvl-dove to the CVE tracker?
[20:25] <kees> or is this an uncommon situation?
[20:25] <tgardner> kees, ok, I'll try to remember to annoy you when it gets pocket copied. Is there an automatic way for you to get notified?
[20:26] <kees> tgardner: not yet, but after talking with pitti, he'll ping us when it happens.
[20:26] <tgardner> kees, yeah, you should add mvl-dovve to the mix as we're on the hook for security, etc.
[20:28] <kees> karmic, lucid, maverick?
[20:29] <tgardner> kees, I'll forward davidm's email regarding which ARM branches for which release.
[20:29] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/ABIPackages <- they're here
[20:29] <kees> I just need to know which to remove the "**" from. :)
[20:31] <tgardner> kees, well, remove '**' from Maverick mvl-dove. I'm still figuring out where we are on fsl-imx51.
[20:32] <kees> okay, but leave it for karmic and lucid mvl-dove?
[20:33] <tgardner> kees, I'm not sure I'm gonna bother with Karmic. Its so close to EOL. Leave Lucid mvl-dove as abandoned for now.
[20:35] <kees> tgardner: works for me; thanks.
[20:36] <tgardner> kees, I'll let you know if I make any more changes. I'll likely hold off on uploading ti-omap until we've exhausted the CVE tracker list.
[20:36] <kees> cool
[20:48] <JFo> grrrrrr
[20:49]  * JFo goes to slap around his natty machine
[20:49] <JFo> this is really beginning to piss me off
[20:49] <JFo> amitk, I know you and jjohansen already pretty much figured the problem out
[20:49] <JFo> just wanted to add
[20:50] <JFo> Natty is making me want to get the hammer ahold of this laptop
[20:50] <JFo> in a purely Hulk Smash sort of way
[20:50] <jjohansen> JFo: download the maverick mutt .deb and manually install it
[20:50] <JFo> k
[20:51] <JFo> doing updates just now (which is likely a bad idea)
[20:52]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:56] <amitk> JFo: same problems with mutt on natty?
[20:57] <amitk> or just hate it in general? ;)
[20:57] <JFo> both, but in general just now :)
[20:57] <JFo> there used to be a really nice "choose desktop environment" selector, that is gone
[20:58] <JFo> and for some reason ,the wireless (that worked so well during install) won't stay connected
[20:58] <JFo> I very nearly threw this thing across the room a few minutes ago
[20:58] <JFo> :)
[20:58] <JFo> very trying
[20:59] <amitk> JFo: you can choose the Desktop in gdm _after_ you click on your userid
[21:00] <bjf> JFo, bug #712723, bug #712737, bug #712744, bug #712749  (accept nominations please :-))
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712723 in linux "CVE-2010-4080" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712723
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712737 in linux "CVE-2010-4081" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712737
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712744 in linux "CVE-2010-4082" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712744
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712749 in linux "CVE-2010-4083" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712749
[21:01] <JFo> bjf, on it :)
[21:02] <JFo> amitk, it used to be simplet than that ;)
[21:02] <JFo> simpler*
[21:15] <JFo> looks like I have them all bjf
[21:15] <bjf> JFo, thanks!
[21:15] <JFo> let me know if I missed any, or if there are more :)
[21:15] <JFo> my pleasure
[21:53] <bhanu> not find the linux kernel debug images for makerich
[21:53] <bhanu> not find the linux kernel debug images for makerick
[21:53] <bhanu> I cannot find it in any repositories
[21:53] <bhanu> Am I missing something
[22:01] <JFo> bjf, we have a bug in the new script somewhere (likely something I introduced)
[22:01] <JFo> It only tries to process 2 bugs
[22:02] <bjf> JFo, point me at it
[22:02] <JFo> it is the new-process-new script
[22:02] <bjf> JFo, ack
[22:03] <JFo> looks like it has been there for a while as I have been going through the list of bugs that it has been skipping and the overall number of bugs processed gradually dropped until there are only the 2 left
[22:03] <JFo> :-)
[22:13] <bjf> JFo, ok, so, here's "the plan", I'm currently finishing up 4 CVEs, as soon as I get them done I will work on the script and nothing else (within reason) until we get it fixed
[22:14] <bjf> JFo, I may be able to start on it this evening but by tomorrow a.m. at the latest
[22:16] <JFo> dude, no sweat
[22:17] <JFo> I am in no rush. I am just glad that we can identify now where the possible problem is
[22:17] <JFo> I'm going to keep looking at it, but some is still greek to me :)
[22:19] <bjf> JFo, are you running it on cranberry ?
[22:20] <bhanu> how do I install debug kernel on ubuntu
[22:20] <JFo> bjf, not right now. I am running it on my local machine
[22:21] <JFo> been trying to nail down some oddities while I am trying to document the run steps.
[22:21] <JFo> this was the main one
[22:21] <bjf> JFo, try it on cranberry, i have an account there now so it would give us a common environment to work in
[22:21] <JFo> ok
[22:22] <JFo> will do
[22:26] <JFo> hmmm, can't get a bzr branch there
[22:26]  * JFo tries something
[22:28] <bjf> bhanu, i've not tried before, and i'm looking for wiki documentation but not finding any
[22:30] <bjf> bhanu, maybe if you said what the problem is that you are having someone would be able to point you at a different solution than a debug kernel


[00:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's like they never have to deal with snow in apple hq in california or something... :-) https://www.spudart.org/blog/design-flaw-apple-flagship-store/
[00:13] <daftykins> hahaha
[00:18] <penguin42> ice in california? Heck
[00:19] <zmoylan-pi> only in their drinks...
[00:24] <daftykins> nah the store is in Chicago
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[10:27] <brobostigon> o/
[11:17] <cheesecakeatTesc> SFW - http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/Journey_Beyond_Sodor
[16:09] <penguin42> well, at least the rain is washing away the little snow we had
[16:14] <DJones> We didn't have snow, just torrential sleet when I was halfway round walking the dog this morning, mostly dry since then
[16:39] <penguin42> we just had about an hour of it around 10am
[18:57] <Maefs> hi


[22:55] <monkeynuts> Hi, having an odd one with magento installed on Debian6, the install failed to connect to the db server on localhost, however if I change the connection string from localhost:3306 to <IP_ADDRESS>:3306 it works, even though I can 'ping localhost' on the server