[23:02] <nigtv> I'm wondering where I should go from here, I would like to get the data on there, I am going to try to use a live cd, one more time, they have not been booting but a good quality cdr. I mainly just am wondering if there is any feasible way to tell if a harddrive is really dead.
[23:02] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: would you like to see a screenshot?
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: thats all i know, the installer has the steps included as far as I know
[23:03] <meway> wtf fail
[23:03] <meway> The program 'ndiswrapper' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing: apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper: command not found root@Odis-desktop:~# apt-get install ndiswrapper-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done ndiswrapper-common is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. root@Odis-desktop:~
[23:03] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: I'm not making this up
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: the resizing is on the livecd
[23:03] <meway> sorry gor not pastbin 0_0
[23:03] <meway> for*
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: i understand but thats the kind of thing you want
[23:03] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: I've booted the live cd, double-clicked 'install ubuntu' on the desktop, and got to step 4 or so
[23:03] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: websearch around for more precise guides, it can be resized though
[23:03] <DasEi> jarray52: gedit /var/log/syslog  , scroll to the time the freezes occur, same for /var/log/kernlog  and after a boot with usb inserted do dmesg > dmesg.txt and look in that file, too
[23:04] <meway> can someone help me with that? ^
[23:04] <Dr_Willis> clark3934:  mount the ntfs shares from /etc/fstab  - do not let the desktp 'automount' them.  that way you can set the proper permissions for the drives
[23:04] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: I think I'm looking at the official docs
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: make sure your backups are recent enough incase it goes wrong
[23:04] <Jamed> meway: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[23:04] <Jamed> meway: not ndiswrapper-common
[23:04] <Jeruvy> nigtv: most drives today will 'start to fail' before they die outright.  If the drive supports SMART you should use that to check it out.  fsck can also check for filesystem errors which could be indicitive of a drive failure or other causes
[23:04] <meway> um look at the
[23:04] <meway> oh ok i will try that lol
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> Jamed: why not install ndisgtk ;)
[23:05] <meway> jamed E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper
[23:05] <Jamed> ActionParsnip: because i have no idea what that is, and my wlan runs fine without ndiswrapper stuff :)
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> meway: sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> !info ndisgtk | jamed
[23:05] <clark3934> Dr_Willis: Even though they're usb-attached?  Also, what type of permissions should I set on the drives?  Who should be the owner?  I've thought about making a sambashares user/group that is the drives owner
[23:05] <nigtv> Jeruvy I'm finding it very strange that it passes this test, which I suppose could only take 20 minutes to read the size of the drive and the partition table, but it does both on 3 different computers without a snag or anything, and the harddrive is silent as it ever has been, as soon as I get this live cd burned I'll try fsck though
[23:06] <Sabioso> Hello, I'm here to talk about ubuntu philosophically, and the word's Bantu context.
[23:07] <Chelsea> Hey, I have a problem with my Acer Aspire One, OS - Ubuntu (Karmic). My cursor randomly froze after i left it sleeping for about an hour. It did this before, but i just resterted (Assuming it was a problem with X ) and it was fine. I've restarted like loads and it's still stuck. The keyboard still works, as does a USB mouse. Could anyone help me? :) Thanks for your time.
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> clark3934:  yes you can mount them based on UUID  even if they are usb conected.
[23:07] <meway> actionparsnip same error
[23:07] <deviad> ActionParsnip, In order for it work I need to install in this order kernel-source modaliases glx?
[23:07] <LJR> Sabioso, this is a support channel. If you just want to chat then you need to go to #ubuntu_offtopic
[23:07] <Sabioso> Ubuntu is not a Linux distribution, it is about the common good.
[23:07] <Swiatecki> Hi all - Can any one assist me in getting my Lenovo R61i's TrackPad to do scroling? I have tried http://psung.blogspot.com/2008/09/scrolling-with-thinkpads-trackpoint-in.html without success
[23:07] <nigtv> Chelsea freezes where?
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> clark3934:  not sure what permissions you would want/need  the ntfs-3g homepage has examples of what umask/dmask/fmask options to use for different situations.
[23:07] <LJR> Swiatecki, I have a Thinkpad r61i I'm on now.
[23:07] <ActionParsnip> deviad: shouldnt do, just add the ppa then run: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:07] <Sabioso> LJR: Okay, where is the topical channel for Ubuntu as apparently it has been hijacked?
[23:08] <Sabioso> *ubuntu
[23:08] <Chelsea> It freezes at the login screen, in the centre
[23:08] <LJR> !ot | Sambioso
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> meway: try: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade   then run the command#
[23:08] <Vimes> oh damn, I found t he Windows 7 installation files (had them on a seperate harddrive :D) but ..I can't burn them as this Live CD is currently using the drive, is it possible to "transfere" the live CD to the memory or somethin?
[23:08] <Sabioso> Why not ##ubuntu? That would make more sense.
[23:09] <Swiatecki> LJR, do you have trackpoint scrolling?
[23:09] <deviad> ActionParsnip, I see, very nice. Tomorrow morning I will read all the doc into detail. Ubuntu is becoming very interesting. :)
[23:09] <Sabioso> LJR: How can I join ##ubuntu?
[23:09] <paulus68> usr13: any reason why I can't update my repositories
[23:09] <LJR> No, but I'm on Debian. If you give me just a second I'll look up the simple way of doing it...
[23:09] <ActionParsnip> deviad: i use the ppa and run the 190 driver on my onboard 6150, works fine
[23:10] <LJR> Sambioso: there isn't a room like that.
[23:10] <Sabioso> LJR: I will try #ubuntu-offtopic, but it seems assinine for a Linux distribution to be taking over what would a channel for discussion among speakers of the Bantu language.
[23:10] <mka> Sabioso, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:10] <Sabioso> Okay
[23:10] <deviad> I have 8600 in this macbook pro
[23:10] <ActionParsnip> deviad: will be fine
[23:10] <mka> hahahaha
[23:10] <Chelsea> With regards to my frozen cursor problem, would it be worth running a repair from an ubuntu live CD? Or Reinstalling?
[23:11] <meway> actionparsnip same error
[23:11] <paulus68> whezn trying to update I get this error Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com' how do I solve this
[23:11] <LJR> Sambioso, freenode is a server for OpenSource software. Most Linux Distro chats are here. if you're looking for discussion on something other than Linux then Freenode's many linux distro chats probably aren't the place for you.
[23:11] <ActionParsnip> meway: its in the main repo
[23:11] <LJR> Sambioso, freenode isn't the only server. There are other servers with #ubuntu on them.
[23:11] <deviad> ActionParsnip, I got an error 1
[23:12] <meway> ActionParsnip:  what is?
[23:12] <nisstyre65> Chelsea; reinstall your login manager packages : )
[23:12] <deviad> ActionParsnip, rrors were encountered while processing:
[23:12] <nisstyre65> no need to reinstall the whole system
[23:12] <deviad>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-185_185.18.36-0ubuntu10~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa4_amd64.deb
[23:12] <Chelsea> nisstyre65, how would i do that?
[23:12] <mka> LJR, it's Sabioso not Sambioso
[23:12] <axon> please tell me how to create an adhoc connection between two ubuntu-8.04 systems
[23:12] <LJR> mka, Sorry, I'm only half-looking at the screen. =(
[23:12] <nisstyre65> I forget what login manager exactly ubuntu uses by default
[23:12] <nisstyre65> but
[23:12] <Chelsea> nisstyre65, also, the curson remains frozen after login (Thanks for your help)
[23:12] <paulus68> mka: whezn trying to update I get this error Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com' how do I solve this
[23:13] <nisstyre65> oh
[23:13] <clark3934> Dr_Willis: Thanks a ton.  I've been reading every thread out there, but it seems so many are out of date.
[23:13] <ActionParsnip> deviad: then you'll need to get those nailed
[23:13] <nisstyre65> okay, you can login with the shell?
[23:13] <meway> ActionParsnip: may have worked one sec lol
[23:13] <deviad> ActionParsnip, what do you mean?
[23:13] <mka> paulus68, "cat /etc/resolv.conf | pastebinit"
[23:13] <LJR> Swiatecki, I simply can't remember how to do it at this moment, but there is a way that you can scroll via holding the middle mouse button.
[23:13] <deviad> ActionParsnip, I run apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-185?
[23:13] <LJR> Swiatecki, I'll keep looking...
[23:14] <Chelsea> nisstyre65, loging in isn't my problem, I don't think. If i put my laptop to sleep then wake it again, i can move the cursor for about two seconds, then it freezes again
[23:14] <nisstyre65> yeah, you're going to have to login with the console and gix it
[23:14] <nisstyre65> *fix
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> deviad: can you pastebin the error please
[23:14] <mka> paulus68, are you behind proxy?
[23:14] <LJR> Swiatecki, You do understand that, in Linux, we usually use the middle mouse button for copy-paste? (Primarily in CLI's)
[23:14] <paulus68> mka: no I am not
[23:15] <Swiatecki> LJR, thanks alot :D
[23:15] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: seems there are some errors on the ntfs partition, and rather than telling me, it just doesn't show the resize option
[23:15] <mka> paulus68, ok "cat /etc/resolv.conf | pastebinit"
[23:15] <dooglus_> I'll fix the errors in windows and try again
[23:15] <shawn146> how come my sound is very crackly?
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> dooglus_: then find a different guide on resizing, it can be done
[23:15] <LJR> Swiatecki, You read this? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
[23:15] <nintnint> OKAY GUYS NOW I'M on Xubuntu and I still can't connect to any wireless network, and as far as I can tell I have successfully installed the drivers for the D-Link DWA-130 in ndiswrapper.
[23:15] <dooglus_> ActionParsnip: "Before resizing an NTFS, ntfsresize makes a filesystem consistency check and it refuses to progress, giving the above messages, if it found errors"
[23:15] <paulus68> mka: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m15aab55a
[23:15] <meway> ActionParsnip: it pops up and than closes right away
[23:15] <DasEi> mka : pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf      does it
[23:16] <Chelsea> shawn146, it may be a driver/soundcard compatibility problem
[23:16] <Swiatecki> LJR, I do - but im really addicted to middle button scrolling. Yes I have tried it but with out any success :(
[23:16] <DartmanX> i am victorious! I have installed the dlink GWL-D510 using ndiswrapper and its not dog slow!
[23:16] <Chelsea> shawn146, I'm not really great with card/ubuntu stuff though
[23:16] <iKernel> DartmanX, mircale
[23:16] <shawn146> oh ok
[23:16] <shawn146> i am using a c-media 5.1 surround sound card
[23:16] <LJR> Swiatecki, ok. I just wanted to make sure you knew that. There will come a day when you use that - a lot. Anywho - still looking.
[23:16] <Chelsea> shawn146, try googling for your sound card and ubuntu to see if snyone else has had the same problem
[23:16] <iKernel> How can I get rid of flashplayer-nonfree, which is the windows version of flashplayer wrapped using ndispluginwrapper, and instead install the native linux version? the windows version is giving me too many problems
[23:17] <deviad> ActionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/m822631b
[23:17] <deviad> That's the complete output I used: apt-get upgrade > output
[23:17] <involved> hey. I'm downloading 9.10 x64, but it says amd64.. I have an intel x64 any diff?
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> iKernel:  how did you even install the one that uses ndiswrappers?
[23:17] <DartmanX> I havent used linux seriously since long before ndiswrapper, so I have to figure out all this newfangled stuff
[23:17] <bastid_raZor> involved: no difference at all.
[23:17] <clark3934> Dr_Willis: Although, this thread does worry me.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1306184  It seems as if fstab and 9.10 aren't working properly.
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> deviad: sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-185_185.18.36-0ubuntu10~karmic~nvidiavdpauppa4_amd64.deb
[23:18] <deviad> ActionParsnip, it looks like instead of installing 195, on upgrade it installs a particular version of 185
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> deviad: then run: sudo apt-get -f install
[23:18] <meway> ActionParsnip: odis@Odis-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper odis@Odis-desktop:~$
[23:18] <mka> paulus68, can you connect to google with firefox?
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> clark3934:  Ive never had an issue with it so far.
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> clark3934:  truy it and see i guess
[23:18] <ActionParsnip> meway: sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[23:18] <clark3934> Dr_Willis: Will do!  Thanks again.
[23:18] <meway> ActionParsnip: you already had me ... brb
[23:18] <mka> paulus68, I don't see a reason why apt-get cannot resolve domain names
[23:18] <iKernel> Dr_Willis, from apt repos. I suppose I better uninstall it using synaptic
[23:19] <paulus68> mka: I can from my desktop but not from my server restarting bind as we speak
[23:19] <meway> ActionParsnip: odis@Odis-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install ndisgtk Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done ndisgtk is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[23:20] <deviad> ActionParsnip, a question arises naturally, it's obvious that upon upgrade what it picks up is not the latest available version but another one
[23:20] <axon> please, i need help, how can i connect
[23:20] <deviad> how do I chose what to install upon upgrade?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> deviad: it will upgrade off what is available on the available repos
[23:20] <Elling> hoy hoy.. anyone got a god program for checking the cpu temp ?
[23:20] <Elling> good*
[23:20] <DasEi> involved: no , that's correct for intel, too
[23:21] <nvme> how do i configure ubuntu so that it gets internet from my wireless connection and only LAN from wired connection ?
[23:21] <DasEi> Elling: lm-sensors
[23:21] <Elling> tnx
[23:21] <ActionParsnip> deviad: it will use the latest version number available
[23:22] <jarray521> DasEi: syslog and kern.log and messages have similar output. kern.log has a few more entries. I have an entry that says usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning. What does that mean?
[23:22] <guest1> anyone knows how to get Wacom and Bamboo working on 9.10?
[23:22] <ActionParsnip> meway: what is the output of: lsb_release -c   ?
[23:22] <deviad> ActionParsnip, I'm going to reboot
[23:22] <deviad> let's see
[23:22] <meway> ActionParsnip: I have it installed but the tirminal acts like its not installed and the program itself exits when it is opend
[23:22] <deviad> fingers crossed
[23:22] <deviad> :P
[23:23] <nvme> how do i configure ubuntu so that it gets internet from my wireless connection and only LAN from wired connection ?
[23:23] <involved> bastid_raZor: tahsnk
[23:23] <meway> ActionParsnip: Im not sure what that is? karmic?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> meway: run the command in terminal
[23:23] <DasEi> Elling: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[23:24] <meway> Codename:	karmic
[23:24] <meway> ActionParsnip: Codename:	karmic
[23:24] <Elling> DasEi: Thank you.
[23:24] <iKernel> sorry, the package was called flashplugin-nonfree and the wrapper was nswrapper
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> meway: usee this link then to get the ndisgtk as well as the 4 deps listed on the same page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/ndisgtk
[23:24] <DasEi> jarray521: that means there is a try to get identifiers and further information
[23:25] <guest1> wacom anyone?
[23:25] <erUSUL> !wacom
[23:25] <Wilabob> Hi, guys. I'm having problems writing to a mac os x extended external had drive. I can read but when I try to put something onto it from ubuntu it says the drive is read only. In OS X I right clicked it, clicked get info. And changed the permissions so that "everyone" can read and write.. But I still can't write onto it under ubuntu... HELP!
[23:25] <guest1> how to get it to work?
[23:25] <mka> guest1, what is wacom
[23:26] <jarray521> DasEi: I did some googling and found the following. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/450194 I wonder if I'm experiencing the same problem.
[23:26] <DasEi> Elling: basically install lm-sensors, run sensors-detet, have modules added to /etc/modules, then install gnome-applets, then can have an add on your toolbar showing temp
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> !wacom
[23:26] <ian__> When I turned on my computer today my icons and everything were in different locations than when I turned off my computer.  Why would that happen?
[23:26] <erUSUL> Wilabob: linux does not have hfs+ writte support
[23:26] <guest1> mka: a pen tablet
[23:27] <Sabioso> ian__: The computer gods hate you.
[23:27] <DasEi> sensors-detect*  ,elling
[23:27] <mka> guest1, what is a pen tablet?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> Wilabob: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-239370.html
[23:27] <mka> Wilabob, what is the filesystem type?
[23:27] <Sabioso> ian__: Seriously, it probably didn't save the icon locations
[23:27] <nvme> i have internet through wireless, and a home LAN network through eth0. for some reason connecting to eth0 bumps me off the internet, how do i fix that ?
[23:27] <Wilabob> erUSUL: I can make another partition on it, what will linux read that isn't fat32
[23:27] <ian__> Yes, I probably offended them by reinstalling ubuntu so many times I guess.
[23:28] <Wilabob> mka: Mac OS X Extended (Journaled)
[23:28] <erUSUL> Wilabob: better bet is ntfs; sad but windows dominance make it so.
[23:28] <guest1> mka: i think it is called pen tablet, not sure. but, since you are asking what is is, can you help me to get it to work?
[23:29] <nisstyre65> Wilabob; ext2 ?
[23:29] <Wilabob> nisstyre65: I need something that I can partition in OS X
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> nvme: network managers only really expect one connection. i suggest you configure the wired connection in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:29] <erUSUL> Wilabob: it could work with udf just find a set of settings for mkudffs that work on both linux and Mac OS X
[23:29] <nisstyre65> oh
[23:29] <nisstyre65> okay
[23:29] <ian__> how do i  set the color depth for my display?  i read that ubuntu 9.10 doesn't have an xorg.conf file.
[23:30] <Infil__> My laptop freezes during boot, but so early that neither syslog, kern.log nor messages have been created yet. Are there other logs I can look at?
[23:30] <mka> guest1, sorry, i dont know what a pen tablet it, and what it does, and what you want to do with it, and why you cannot do what you want to do with it.
[23:30] <Wilabob> I'll just make a ntfs partiton on it.
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> ian__: it can, if a file exists it will be used
[23:31] <ian__> how would i create one?  or is there a way that it automatically generates one?
[23:31] <Wilabob> Anyway, Thanks guys! Cya later.
[23:31] <guest1> Bamboo? How to get it to work?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> ian__: not that I know of, you can find them online in abundance
[23:32] <nvme> ActionParsnip, how do i make changes to /etc/network/interfaces take effect ?
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> nvme: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[23:33] <ian__> oh okay.  i just noticed that the graphics don't look as good as that last time i installed ubuntu, so maybe the display is configured differently or something.
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> nvme: then network mnager wont bother the device, it will manage the wifi only
[23:34] <jarray521> DasEi
[23:34] <jarray521> sorry
[23:34] <jarray521> accidentally hit enter
[23:35] <DasEi> jarray521: I can't say if it's the same failure, is the hardware same ?
[23:35] <Dr_Willis> ian__:  it can have an xorg.conf file.
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> ian__:  what video card? theres teh xrandr tools to change your video settings that are normally used
[23:37] <Edgar1> hello ana happy new year
[23:37] <Meaw> hi, how do i know if someone put patch or hacked my ubuntu server?
[23:37] <jarray521> What is an hso device or an hso enabled device?
[23:37] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  the biggest danger to your server is proberly the admin doing somthing stupid. :)
[23:37] <Wilabob> Well, I'm back. I created a NTFS partition in mac os x and plugged it into my ubuntu computer. It says unable to mount "Ubuntu" error creating mount point: Read-only file system
[23:37] <Edgar1> i have a sound problem in ubuntu 9.10, i mean no sound
[23:37] <DasEi> Meaw: by using tools monitoring it
[23:37] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  theres check root kit tools and other monitoring tools..
[23:38] <Edgar1> yesterday it works great, but then no more
[23:38] <Meaw> Dr_Willis, does it require a software? or comes with ubuntu?
[23:39] <Meaw> i have the server installed for special purpose but i think someone is playing on it..so i want to check out and make sure if hacked or not.
[23:39] <jarray521> Dr_Willis: patched servers can be detected using tripwire or aide
[23:39] <DasEi> Meaw: also by monitoring suspicious inet connections (like flood or response - less)
[23:39] <Edgar1> how can i fix my "no sound" problem in 9.10? i have already tested gstreamer-properties with all the devices and still not working
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  err.. everything is software :) except for the hardware...
[23:39] <Meaw> Dr_Willis, ok what is the checkroot tool software name
[23:39] <Guest92892> load mixer
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  not sure. Ive never really had to mess with it.
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> !rootkit
[23:39] <jarray521> Meaw: chroot?
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> chroot is not the same as checking root kits
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[23:40] <jarray521> sorry: chkroot
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> That soundfs better :)
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> i couldent rember how it was spelt
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> !info chkrootkit
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  also watch your service logs for anything suspect.
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> !info logwatch | Meaw
[23:41] <jarray521> There is also rkhunter
[23:41] <Meaw> Dr_Willis, how does it work?
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> Meaw:  No idea. I dont use it. :)
[23:41] <Meaw> meh
[23:41] <brig> is there a way to make a symlink of a file (in a read only folder) in nautilus via the mouse?
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> Unless my wife is trying to put a rootkit on the server.. i dont have an issue i think...
[23:42] <jarray521> chkrootkit is in the ubuntu package repository.
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> brig:   click, drag, hold down ALT, a ? appears on the mouse.. a menu appears when you drop it somewhere.
[23:42] <DasEi> jarray521: no, that's another bug, goes about a soundcard, welll I gtg soon , pastebinit /var/log/syslog and same for dmesh.txt after a reboot, then ask again for someone to have a look at it
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> brig:  and no you cant put a new link in a Read only location. :)
[23:42] <erUSUL> brig: if the folder is read only you can not make a file (a symlink is a file) in it
[23:43] <jarray521> DasEi: Thanks for your help.
[23:43] <Wilabob> Well, I'm back. I created a NTFS partition in mac os x and plugged it into my ubuntu computer. It says unable to mount "Ubuntu" error creating mount point: Read-only file system
[23:43] <brig> the source location is read only... where I want to create the link is writeable
[23:43] <erUSUL> brig: then do a s Dr_Willis suggest
[23:43] <deviad> Thanks to ActionParsnip though, although I guess he left
[23:44] <plustax2> Hey guys. I've noticed some video lag in both streaming video and ubuntu system menus. How do I find out if my system is up to date for video and how do i update my video drivers or whatever? Running version 9.10
[23:44] <Meaw> how do i list the open ports on my server?
[23:44] <lstarnes> Meaw: netstat -lp
[23:44] <jarray521> Meaw: nmap
[23:44] <jarray521> Meaw: sudo apt-get install nmap then nmap <ip-address>
[23:45] <brig> cool that works!!!
[23:46] <Meaw> ok ty
[23:46] <DasEi> Meaw: or nessus
[23:46] <fossiiil> hello
[23:46] <tos_> hello
[23:47] <fossiiil> something mysteriously setup firewall for me on ubuntu(or restore last active settings of iptables)...no firewall tool installed(shorewall, ...)
[23:47] <Arsin> Can someone help me install Songbird
[23:48] <boxxy_> #dd-wrt is silent, so I will ask here.. Hi, basically I setup Ad-Hoc networking on my Ubuntu server today, as my good 'ol wrt54gl can't handle the number of connections I was making. Anyways, I am forced to use my only spare Wireless dongle for the Ubuntu server, leaving my normal desktop without Wireless access. So, I place the wrt54gl ontop of my desktop, find someway to have dd-wrt use source of Internet as the ad-hoc, and then Ethernet connect my ...
[23:48] <boxxy_> ... desktop. So, how do configure dd-wrt so it will use my ad-hoc network as the source of its Internet? Or if I install a different firmware if I could do this?
[23:48] <Tonren> How can I customize the Wine menu in my Ubuntu Applications menu, such as adding and removing program shortcuts?
[23:48] <ga_sk8er> im having problems loading vuze. i need to know the tcp port to use
[23:48] <plustax2> anyone?
[23:48] <mka> Wilabob, your ntfs partition is /dev/sd what?
[23:49] <DasEi> ga_sk8er: you set it in vuze
[23:49] <br0kenarr0w> Are there any dreamcast emulators for linux/ubunut?
[23:49] <ga_sk8er> yes but i need to know the port number to set
[23:49] <ga_sk8er> DasEi whats the port number to set
[23:49] <b0xxy> 80
[23:49] <Meaw> Dr_Willis, how do i run logwatch to check log files?
[23:50] <Meaw> usually i do tail -f /var/log/syslog for example
[23:50] <DasEi> ga_sk8er: you set any in range, and that can random, but same for firewall or routers
[23:50] <ga_sk8er> DasEi idk how to do that
[23:50] <ga_sk8er> i just need a number that will work
[23:50] <mka> Wilabob, ??
[23:50] <jarray521> DasEi: How do you use gedit to view syslog? I always get an error about character encodings. I can only use tail.
[23:50] <b_> hello, how can I add an additional user to the system (whose home directory will be an encrypted one)
[23:51] <DasEi> ga_sk8er: vuze > tools > preferences > connection
[23:51] <Wilabob> mka: How do I find out if it's not mounted? I tried df but it doesn't show
[23:51] <BLOODCLAW> is it possible to host your own website/server on ubuntu?
[23:51] <aguitel> anyone instakk opera 10.50 prealpha in ubuntu?
[23:51] <jarray521> BLOODCLAW: yes
[23:51] <Guest89552> !help
[23:51] <BLOODCLAW> jarray521: how would i do this?
[23:51] <mka> Wilabob, then it is not mounted
[23:51] <DasEi> jarray521: gedit /var/log/syslog           or for giving url here :  pastebinit /var/log/syslog       (sudo apt-get install pastebinit , if needed)
[23:51] <jarray521> BLOODCLAW: sudo apt-get install apache2
[23:52] <Wilabob> mka: Yeah, because it says it's read only and won't mount it.
[23:52] <urthmover> I am not sure where to begin to describe what I want to do but here goes.  I want to hard code my multimedia buttons on my keyboard (specifically forward and back) to rythmbox.  So that if I'm in a web browser and don't like the song that comes on I can just hit the forward button.  How do I go about configuring that?
[23:52] <mka> Wilabob, can you pastebin the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[23:52] <Guest89552> I guess add user GUI is not integrated with encrypted home directories?
[23:52] <BLOODCLAW> jarray521: ty. anything important i should know?
[23:53] <Wilabob> mka: OK, found it. The drive is sddd3
[23:53] <mka> Wilabob, what?
[23:53] <jarray521> DasEi: when I do gksudo gedit /var/log/syslog, I get a message saying Could not open the file /var/log/syslog.
[23:53] <Wilabob> How do I do pastebin again?
[23:53] <ga_sk8er> DasEi im in the connetction preferences. do i just accept the default they gave me for tcp port?
[23:53] <Tranz> is there a way to force discovery of a printer shared out on another mint computer?
[23:53] <jarray521> DasEi: It then says gedit not been able to detect character coding...
[23:54] <mka> Wilabob, you can paste at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:54] <DasEi> jarray521: why sudo it ? user can watch that file, too
[23:54] <aguitel> anyone know how install opera 10.50 pre alpha in ubuntu?
[23:54] <DasEi> jarray521: or try the pastebin and call it into your browser
[23:54] <ga_sk8er> aguitel have u tried running it in wine?
[23:54] <DasEi> ga_sk8er: sure, why not
[23:54] <aguitel> ga_sk8er, there is linux version
[23:55] <ga_sk8er> DasEi ok i thought u have to select a certain port
[23:55] <jarray521> DasEi: my issue is opening log files with gedit. I know I shouldn't use excessive permissions. But, I can't open a log file with gedit, which would be useful. I'm wondering how to get around this character encoding issue.
[23:55] <DasEi> nope
[23:55] <mka> Wilabob, did you paste it?
[23:55] <ga_sk8er> aguitel i didnt know. i just run firefox
[23:55] <aguitel> ga_sk8er, http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/labs-6177/
[23:55] <Wilabob> mka: Almost there, one sec
[23:55] <iceroot> jarray521: !gksudo
[23:55] <mka> Wilabob, ok
[23:55] <jarray521> !gksudo
[23:55] <urthmover> nvrmnd  System menu -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts to find the keyboard shortcut editor
[23:55] <iceroot> jarray521: use gksudo gedit yourlogfile
[23:55] <DasEi> jarray521: see above, call it in browser then
[23:55] <aguitel> ga_sk8er, to slow firefox in my old pc
[23:55] <Wilabob> mka: K, it's up under wilabob
[23:55] <macman_> if you guys can quick .. i have a folder with a mpg in it .. i want to  make video_ts and audio_ts .. i did a dvdauthor -o video/ video.mpg -T .. it errors out
[23:56] <mka> Wilabob: give me the link
[23:56] <jarray521> iceroot: it doesn't work. I get a message saying cannot open the file /var/log/syslog ...
[23:56] <jarray521> iceroot: It says gedit has not been able to detect the character encoding...
[23:56] <Wilabob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/350154
[23:56] <iceroot> jarray521: try   sudo less /var/log/syslog
[23:56] <mka> Wilabob, ok
[23:56] <vadi01> guys please tell me how to update to the mainline kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>/
[23:56] <vadi01> ?
[23:57] <vadi01> command please
[23:57] <BLOODCLAW> if i host an apache server, would it be wise to use a firewall?
[23:57] <erUSUL> !ppa | vadi01
[23:57] <iceroot> BLOODCLAW: for what?
[23:57] <DasEi> ga_sk8er: nope, can use any, though some are predefined,  so any from 200 to 65000 is it then
[23:57] <jarray521> iceroot: that works...  I'm trying to open the log file with gedit though.  I know this is not a smoothwall support channel but I could rly use some help.
[23:58] <BLOODCLAW> iceroot: hosting a webserver. should i install a firewall or is ubuntu safe?
[23:58] <vadi01> erUSUL: actually i need to download and install it. not upload
[23:58] <iceroot> BLOODCLAW: ubuntu is so safe as you configure ubuntu. by default you dont need a firewall for using apache
[23:58] <ga_sk8er> the default is 11750
[23:59] <vadi01> ubottu: i need to download and install it not upload
[23:59] <ga_sk8er> DasEi 11750
[23:59] <Nyoron> How do I fix the number of kernels shown in grub? I've downloaded startupmanager, but that doesn't work for me anymore. (ubuntu 64bit)
[23:59] <Tiders> Whats the command to display unmounted disks
[23:59] <vadi01> how do i update my kernel ?
[23:59] <erUSUL> vadi01: the page ubottu told you have instruction on how to add the ppa to your sources and insdtall software from it


[10:04] <clobrano> Hi all
[10:04] <ogra_> hey clobrano
[10:07] <clobrano> hi ogra_, a little question, I looked around but I haven't found anything so far: I would need to change something in a driver (e.g. option), like adding a vid/pid pair
[10:07] <clobrano> usually, I would recompile the kernel with this change, is that possible on ubuntu core? Is there another way to do so?
[10:07] <ogra_> clobrano, you mean via a udev rule or dircetly in the driver ?
[10:08] <clobrano> ogra_: directly in the driver
[10:08] <ogra_> for that i fear you have to recompile the kernel,. yes
[10:08] <clobrano> is that still possible for ubuntu core?
[10:09] <ogra_> (thouht often enough a udev rule is enough to tell the kernel to load a specific driver)
[10:10] <clobrano> ogra_: unfortunately this is necessary for our project
[10:11] <ogra_> what device is that ? for armhf we have semi-good documentation for building the device tarball ... i'm not sure we have anything for x86 (where the tarball gets auto-generated by the image build system)
[10:11] <ogra_> you would actually build your own device tarball for what you want to do and use that with ubuntu-device-flash to generate an image
[10:15] <zyga> ogra_: hmm, no lspci/lsusb on snappy?
[10:16] <clobrano> ogra_: well, the documentation for armhf could be a good starting point
[10:17] <ogra_> clobrano, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/porting/ see the section about the devcie tarball, hardware.yaml etc
[10:17] <clobrano> ogra_: thanks ;)
[10:17] <ogra_> zyga, real men use /sys directly :P
[10:21] <zyga> ogra_: and remember all the enums ;)
[10:21] <ogra_> indeed, from the top of their head :)
[11:27] <asac> anyone around who knows snapcraft?
[11:27] <asac> ted: ogra_: ?
[11:28] <asac> i need to run a command for building qt5 from source after the checkout
[11:28] <asac> is there a hook feature post-pull or something?
[11:31] <lool> asac: I've been requesting hooks for a while
[11:31] <lool> asac: but instead, just create a make part and use the bits from the qt parts
[11:31] <asac> lool: not sure i understand
[11:32] <asac> i should derive a new plugin?
[11:32] <asac> e.g. on autotools
[11:32] <asac> and then extend the pull code to run a command in srcdir ?
[11:33] <asac> hmm. shouldn the make plugin allow to allow specific mark targets that are not make; make install?
[11:35] <asac> lool: is it possible to have a local part in a snapcraft tree that doesnt pull anything?
[11:35] <asac> e.g. can i make my parts/qt5/ directory and put a makefile in there that then does all it needs ?
[11:35] <asac> guess i am on wrong track
[11:36] <lool> asac: so your goal is what again?
[11:37] <lool> asac: most of the time, you don't need a new plugin
[11:37] <lool> plugins are for recurring cases
[11:37] <lool> asac: we don't have any config in the make plugin; it indeed defaults to make and make install DESTDIR=...
[11:38] <lool> asac: if you don't want to pull anything, just say source: .
[11:42] <asac> lool: qt5 from git... you git clone topath; cd topath; perl init-repository
[11:42] <asac> i dont know how to best run init-repository
[11:43] <asac> lool: its like repo sync that gets all the real source
[11:44] <lool> asac: while you could hack this around with a makefile, if you want the "pull" semantics of snapcraft to map to this different way of pulling, you indeed need a plugin
[11:44] <asac> lool: right. wondered if there could be a post-pull mangling hook
[11:45] <asac> maybe all stages should have pre and post hooks?
[11:45] <asac> guess not very clean
[11:45] <asac> lool: can i write local plugins yet?
[11:45] <asac> or do i best work inside the snapcraft tree to add new plugins?
[11:48] <lool> asac: I personally would like the pre- / post- hooks as I feel it would be useful, however it's not in the spirit
[11:48] <lool> snapcraft documents parts, not actions/tasks
[11:48] <lool> so hooks already feel wrong there
[11:48] <asac> right
[11:48] <lool> and then hooks would potentially make it harder to port snapcraft to non-linux platforms
[11:49] <asac> well i kind of agree on spirit
[11:49] <asac> but i hate the non-reuse feature of deriving from a specialized class
[11:49] <lool> if people start having a bunch of shell scripts running sudo apt-get install foo etc.
[11:49] <asac> so maybe having a plugin system that allows to add reusable things pre-post would be good
[11:50] <asac> so write a post-pull plugin that you can add through an option in parts to any plugin
[11:50] <asac> maybe call it extension :)
[11:50] <asac> for instance
[11:50] <asac> copy
[11:50] <asac> many want that i guess
[11:50] <asac> maybe could go in Base
[11:51] <asac> but if not, its not good for reuse
[11:51] <asac> as it is
[11:51] <asac> assuming there are many useful helper thingies that not all want ...
[12:36] <ogra_> mvo, is there a bzr tree for initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core ?
[12:37]  * ogra_ cant seem to find one
[12:38] <mvo> ogra_: just https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core
[12:38] <mvo> ogra_: but freel free to setup one
[12:39] <ogra_> ah
[12:48] <biezpal> Hey everyone. We're trying to run lxc-start command and getting the following apparmor message in syslog
[12:48] <biezpal> apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_inherit" profile="/usr/bin/ubuntu-core-launcher" name="/dev/null" pid=17552 comm="ubuntu-core-lau" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[12:48] <biezpal> It seems like apparmor profile for ubuntu-core-launcher is blocking lxc-start command. Our profile for lxc-start is ignored, what we are doing wrong?
[12:54] <biezpal> ogra_, I believe you can help us :)
[12:55] <ogra_> biezpal, i guess jdstrand is better in that ...
[12:56] <ogra_> one thing to keep in mind if you sideload a snap is that the profile is only re-generated if you have a new version number
[12:56] <ogra_> so bump that before installing your snap locally
[12:58] <biezpal> ogra_, ok, thanks
[12:58] <biezpal> jdstrand, could you advise something?
[13:03] <jdstrand> hey, reading
[13:04] <jdstrand> biezpal: I'd need to look at the snap. is it in the store? how are you invoking it?
[13:11] <jdstrand> biezpal: actually, looking at the denial, it is in the launcher. can you adjust '/etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.ubuntu-core-launcher' to have this before the trailing '}': /dev/null rw,
[13:11] <jdstrand> biezpal: then do: sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.ubuntu-core-launcher
[13:11] <jdstrand> biezpal: then try again
[13:27] <cwayne> heya, whats the easiest way to resize my snappy kvm image so that i can install larger snaps?
[13:33] <ogra_> cwayne, well, add zeros to the end of it, resize the writable partition, resize the filesystem on the writable partition
[13:33] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12117162/
[13:33] <ogra_> :D
[13:33]  * ogra_ is just working on a prototype to do exactly that on first boot
[13:36] <Chipaca> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/snappy/manpage-ftbfs/+merge/268330 if you've got a sec?
[13:36] <Chipaca> (not many people with review-ability right now ;) )
[13:51] <ogra_> Chipaca, sorry, was dragged away for a moment ... as far as i can judge that code it looks fine :)
[13:52] <Chipaca> ogra_: evil draginses awayes
[13:52] <ogra_> Chipaca, in line 25 ... are you sure /usr is in $BUILDDIR ?
[13:52] <ogra_> or was /usr/bin/snappy the whole wrong path anyway ?
[13:53] <Chipaca> ogra_: snappy is just under obj-yadda/bin/
[13:54] <Chipaca> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12118266/ is what i got when running find in debian/rules
[13:56] <ogra_> Chipaca, ack ... approving then
[13:56] <ogra_> done
[13:57]  * Chipaca gefingercrossen
[13:57] <ogra_> haha
[14:25] <ogra_> Chipaca, hmm, same error it seems
[14:25] <ogra_> can't load package: package launchpad.net/snappy/i18n/xgettext-go
[14:26] <Chipaca> ogra_: i see a successful build on amd64
[14:27] <ogra_> ah, then that was i386 only
[14:27] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/214836852/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.ubuntu-snappy_1.5ubuntu1-1%2B632~ubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:31] <Chipaca> armhf worked too
[14:32] <Chipaca> i say we drop i386 from supported architectures and move on
[14:32] <ogra_> haha
[14:32] <ogra_> tell that to the edison people :P
[15:44] <jdstrand> stgraber: fyi in case you missed it, I commented on the lxd snap in the store. please see the review comments
[15:48] <longsleep> ogra_: did you see my script for the resize: https://github.com/longsleep/snappy-odroidc/blob/master/scripts/resize-snappy-writable.sh - any reason you do not use 'growpart' ?
[15:50] <ogra_> longsleep, what are the deps and does it support any kind of filesystems ?
[15:50] <ogra_> i wanted to use parted since thats our standard tool and gets the most maintainer attention ... but parted has to big deps to ship it inside the initrd
[15:50] <longsleep> ogra_: growpart is on snappy already
[15:51] <DarwinF> I sideloaded an app onto my RPi and whenever I try to start the service I get an error with "... name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 not provided..." Is there a way to fix that?
[15:51] <longsleep> ogra_: (its coming with cloud init i think)
[15:53] <ogra_> longsleep, ah, i need it in the initrd ... i'll have to take a look
[15:53] <stgraber> jdstrand: thanks. At a conference this week, will check next week.
[15:53] <longsleep> ogra_: all that cut tr sed stuff from your script looks scary - so maybe growfs can help to avoid that
[15:54] <ogra_> longsleep, whats scary about it ?
[15:54]  * ogra_ fids it crystal clear ;)
[15:55] <ogra_> *finds
[15:55] <longsleep> ogra_: :D
[15:55] <longsleep> well i guess i thind multiple sed tr cut pipes scary in general
[15:56] <ogra_> well, yeah, its a prototype ... normally i'D merge the tr/cut stuff into one sed line :)
[15:56] <ogra_> and it is likely throw away work anyway
[15:56] <longsleep> ogra_: yeah, it is totally valid to use
[15:57] <ogra_> just to get the feature fast ... later it will get re-implemented
[15:57] <longsleep> ogra_: also i took a different approach to find the partition - i was not using findfs instead i use blkid and go through /sys to find all the stuff
[15:58] <ogra_> yeah, findfs is used all across the initrd ...
[15:58] <ogra_> which made me pick it ...
[15:58] <longsleep> right
[15:58] <longsleep> ogra_: though i wonder why do you need the sanitizing code, should it not return good values already?
[15:59] <ogra_> longsleep, it returns the device node for the partition
[16:00] <ogra_> if i use a USB key that will be /dev/sdn1
[16:00] <ogra_> for mmc you have /dev/mmcblknp1
[16:00] <ogra_> so you always get the XpX in mmc nodes ...
[16:01] <longsleep> ogra_: ok, so then i would recommend to use /sys to find whatever else you need, instead to use that case block
[16:01] <longsleep> (starting from /sys/class/block/..)
[16:02] <ogra_> hos does that help me getting rid of the p ?
[16:02] <ogra_> *how
[16:04] <ogra_> i need to get from the return value from findfs to the device name ...
[16:04] <jdstrand> stgraber: sure, np. just wanted to make sure you saw them
[16:04] <jdstrand> stgraber: enjoy :)
[16:04] <longsleep> ogra_: well i dont know but i think whatever findfs returns should have its entry in /sys/class/block/
[16:05] <ogra_> and non mmc'S return the right thing while mmcs do return something with a XpX at the end
[16:05] <longsleep> ogra_: that folder should contain anything else
[16:06] <longsleep> ogra_: the name should not matter when you traverse through sys
[16:06] <ogra_> hmm
[16:07] <longsleep> ogra_: you can find the device name by following the symlink of /sys/class/block/whatever
[16:07] <longsleep> ogra_: then go one level up and read the dev
[16:07] <longsleep> file
[16:07] <longsleep> that will work whatever names the block partitions have
[16:08] <longsleep> eg /sys/class/block/sda1 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/ata1/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0/block/sda/sda1
[16:08] <longsleep> follow the symlink, then ../dev is the name of the device
[16:08] <ogra_> not in case of mmc :)
[16:09] <longsleep> no?
[16:09] <ogra_> no, the content of dev just püoints back to the partition
[16:09] <longsleep> go one level up
[16:09] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@localhost:~$ cat /sys/class/block/mmcblk0p2/dev
[16:09] <ogra_> 179:2
[16:10] <longsleep> yes and then follow that symlink again below /dev/block/179:2
[16:10] <ogra_> /sys/dev/block/179:2/dev is just the same thing
[16:10] <longsleep> right, one more level of links to follow
[16:10] <ogra_> going one level up wont get me mmcblk0
[16:11] <longsleep> when you have 179:2 open the link of /dev/block/179:2
[16:11] <longsleep> will be ../sda or similar
[16:11] <longsleep> then you have it
[16:11] <ogra_> (RaspberryPi2)ubuntu@localhost:~$ readlink /sys/dev/block/179:2
[16:11] <ogra_> ../../devices/platform/mmc-bcm2835.0/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0007/block/mmcblk0/mmcblk0p2
[16:11] <ogra_> ah, i get what you mean
[16:12] <longsleep> you are still one level too deep
[16:12] <ogra_> yes, but that actually allows to go up
[16:13] <ogra_> i doubt it will be much less code than the case statement (which is way to big anyway, the *) stuff is superfluous )
[16:14] <longsleep> it will not be less code, but it will support anything the kernel can come up to. I do not know how many possible partition naming schemes there are
[16:14] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[16:14] <longsleep> thats why i wanted to use the kernel provided information to find stuff
[16:17] <ogra_> well, i guess i'll re-use some of your resize-snappy lines :)
[16:18] <ogra_> looks indeed a bit saner :)
[16:19] <ogra_> though i still dont think i'll use growpart, that would introduce a hard dep of initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core on cloud-guest-utils
[16:19] <longsleep> ogra_: yeah - if you can get the sfdisk stuff working that should be totally fine
[16:20] <ogra_> (and i need the size checks ahed of running anything ... we only want to grow if it it actually useful)
[16:20] <ogra_> *if it is
[16:20] <longsleep> grofpart just gives you all the gear already and checks if there is something to resize
[16:20] <longsleep> grow*
[16:20] <ogra_> i dont see you running fsck ...
[16:20] <longsleep> yeah growpart has this --fudge parameter which does that check
[16:21] <longsleep> yeah i am not running fsck
[16:21] <longsleep> probably bad :(
[16:21] <ogra_> how do you make resizefs work without it ? by default it should refuse any operation if there isnt a fresh fsck
[16:21] <longsleep> mhm maybe growpart does that
[16:21] <ogra_> yeah
[16:30] <Chipaca> ogra_: you poked at an image build?
[16:30] <ogra_> Chipaca, eeek, sorry !!
[16:31]  * Chipaca scribbles in a little black book, tutting disparagingly
[16:31] <ogra_> Chipaca, running
[16:31] <ogra_> no little star sticker for me today i guess :/
[16:33] <Chipaca> ogra_: well, we can't go handing out golden stars just like that now, can we?
[16:35] <longsleep> I am going to FrOSCon on the weekend, someone of you folks going too?
[16:36] <longsleep> there is a snappy and an ubuntu phone talk on saturday
[17:49] <ogra_> longsleep, i think thats svij's talk :)
[18:19] <svij> ogra_: longsleep: yep
[18:25]  * davmor2 notices ogra_ is now listed on Santa Naughty list, Man that Chipaca has friends in high places
[18:26] <davmor2> hmmmmm wait a minute, you never see Chipaca and Santa in the same room........he writes in a book and.......wait a minute
[18:26] <Mikaela> I thought only sudo without being sudoer resulted to that list
[21:56] <Chipaca> davmor2: Mikaela: i was *wondering* why i got everybody's sudo alert mail
[21:56] <Chipaca> it all makes sense now


[14:11] <desrt> is everyone still on holiday today?
[14:22] <larsu> desrt: still? For most people, today is the only easter-related holiday
[14:23] <desrt> no good friday?
[14:23] <larsu> not for the French iirc
[14:23] <desrt> how about seb? :)
[14:23] <larsu> same as pitti and me. He lives in Germany, remember
[14:34] <desrt> ofc.
[14:38]  * happyaron is on holiday today
[14:45] <desrt> canada has a weird approach to this holiday.  half of people are on holiday, others not.
[14:46] <larsu> depending on province?
[14:46] <desrt> even in ontario it's half and half
[14:46] <larsu> ?
[14:46] <desrt> depends on the industry, more or less
[14:46] <larsu> craziness
[14:46] <desrt> i think anything that is covered by some form of federal regulation is on holiday
[14:46] <desrt> plus all government offices of any kind
[14:47] <desrt> and all schools
[14:47] <desrt> regulated stuff = banks, etc.
[14:47] <desrt> it's all pretty random
[14:49] <larsu> do you have the day off?
[14:49] <desrt> i don't think so :)
[14:49] <larsu> :(


[03:03] <rick_h> :)
[03:03] <snap-l> Also, dog eye glow = A+
[03:03] <rick_h> I should take a pic of it sitting ont he dining table
[03:03] <rick_h> unpacked and all
[03:05] <rick_h> got one of these at meijer today for our outside toy deck box http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-1500iD-Combination-Assorted/dp/B002TSN4SQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371092683&sr=8-2&keywords=master+lock+speed+dial
[03:05] <rick_h> kind of cool
[03:05] <rick_h> wouldn't trust my giant bars of gold with it, but for a box of balls and bats it's neat/simple
[03:05] <snap-l> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/cryoburn.iso.gz
[03:05] <snap-l> Has versions of all of the Lois McMaster Bujold books
[10:31] <snap-l> Good morning
[10:37] <brousch> Maybe. I woke up at 4am from coughing and have been up since then. However I feel better since coughing up a nasty lugie
[10:43] <snap-l> um, yay?
[10:46] <brousch> Maybe I've turned the corner on this cold
[10:51] <snap-l> If it's anything like the allergies JoDee's been fighting, you'll need to see a doc to help make that happen
[10:51] <snap-l> she's been miserable for weeks now
[10:51] <snap-l> I'd like to think it's the allergies and not me. ;)
[10:54] <brousch> LinkedIn endorsements crack me up
[10:54] <brousch> People I barely know are endorsing me for RoR
[10:55] <snap-l> brousch: Maybe they know future-you. ;)
[10:55] <snap-l> Or alternate universe you.
[10:58] <brousch> Would alternate universe brousch use RoR or C#?
[10:59] <snap-l> There's plenty of alternate universes to have you using both
[10:59] <snap-l> heck, maybe even inventing both. ;)
[13:12] <snap-l> JoDee measured 1.9 inches of rain in our rain gauge.
[13:12] <jjesse> wow
[13:12] <jjesse> we got hardly any at my house
[13:12] <rick_h> got a bunch here
[13:12] <snap-l> Yeah, and it was still raining when she took the measurement
[13:16] <snap-l> jjesse: I think the cells formed as they moved across the state
[13:18] <jjesse> my phone went off with an emergency alert
[13:18] <jjesse> about thee storms
[13:18]  * rick_h feels like in college again... picked up a fluke multi-meter and having flashbacks to my awful Physics2 college class watching youtube videos about using it
[13:18] <jjesse> and then it was biscally nothing
[13:18] <brousch> jjesse: I'm surprised. There was a lot at 401 Hall St and by my house
[13:18] <jjesse> lot of lightining in alger heights, some rain at 11pm but by 11:15 or so it was over
[13:18] <brousch> rick_h: How the heck did you have youtube in college?
[13:19] <rick_h> brousch: :P
[13:19] <jjesse> brousch, it took him a loooooong time to get through college :)
[13:45] <snap-l> rick_h: Did you just pick that up on a lark, or was that part of the camping "plan"?
[13:56] <rick_h> snap-l: part of the camping plan :) need to be able to check wiring and the batteries on the camper
[13:56] <rick_h> snap-l: but I've kind of always wanted one for house stuff and the like
[13:56] <brousch> Going camping? Don't forget your multimeter!
[13:56] <rick_h> While I'm kind of handy in some ways, and can do really basic wiring stuff around the house, my electrical chops are weak
[13:57] <rick_h> brousch: definitely! part of the standard toolbag
[13:57] <jjesse> which is why "camping" for me = fully furnished cabin
[13:57] <brousch> Must be a bag of holding
[13:57] <rick_h> http://www.generalrv.com/inventory/286100/New-2014-Jayco-Jay-Feather-Ultra-Lite-X23B.aspx
[13:58] <brousch> jjesse++
[14:04] <jrwren_> what model fluke did you get?
[14:04] <jrwren_> I think our parent  company also  owns fluke.
[14:07] <rick_h> I grabbed this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O3LUEI/ref=oh_details_o01_s03_i05?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[14:07] <rick_h> highest end model of the low end stuff
[14:10] <jrwren_> wow, nice!
[14:10] <jrwren_> i went and got a $25 craftsman when I needed a meter :)
[14:15] <rick_h> yea, I was looking at some of the other things for the $30-$50 range but I've wanted to get a fluke since I was back in engineering school.
[14:15] <rick_h> and already encouraging me to try to figure out more to do with it than just check the V in my batteries
[14:16] <rick_h> lol https://plus.google.com/104919222657565747428/posts/88WaWhpSdCU
[14:16] <brousch> rick_h: It's kind of funny. I wouldn't have known what a multimeter was if 2 kids hadn't been playing with one at the GRMakers meeting last night
[14:17] <jjesse> ubuntu tablet eh?
[14:17] <snap-l> that Fluke looks similar to the Triplett model I have, though smaller.
[14:17] <rick_h> brousch: orly? Man, when I was in college I kept looking forward to the classes with the cool kids hooking up oscilloscopes and such
[14:17] <rick_h> but left and change degrees before I got there
[14:17] <brousch> I didn't get that far in CS/EECS
[14:18] <brousch> I'm just starting to pick it up now thanks to GRMakers
[14:18] <rick_h> very cool
[14:18] <rick_h> yea, I need to hang around people and pick some of this stuff up. Youtube will have to do for now
[14:20] <jrwren_> i hear ya. Fluke is the best for sure. I just was not willing to spend the $$$ when I was at sears and all those cheap meters were staring at me.
[14:20] <jrwren_> I've been happy with my cheap one.
[14:21] <rick_h> yea, I cheat my brain. "Search amamzon for fluke multi-meter...well this one isn't the most expensive or least expensive"
[14:21] <jrwren_> brousch: haven't you ever done any repairs on electrical system where you needed a meter?
[14:22] <brousch> No. I have avoided hardware below the card or chip replacement level
[14:22] <brousch> I soldered once
[14:22] <jrwren_> but I mean home things.
[14:22] <rick_h> yea, I've got a bunch of outlet testers and such for common household things. Haven't really *needed* a meter
[14:22] <jrwren_> like elecrical on an appliance.
[14:23] <jrwren_> i use my MM to do outlet testing :)
[14:23] <brousch> I just use my tongue
[14:23] <jrwren_> I picked it up so I could check current flow on my electric water heater. it was very useful.
[14:23] <rick_h> yea, the $20 three prong tester with three lights on it was easier/cheaper
[14:23] <jrwren_> brousch: on 120v that sounds very painful. on 240v it sounds insane
[14:23] <brousch> Now you know where my hair went
[14:24] <jrwren_> definitely easier. not much cheaper than my $25 MM :)
[14:24] <rick_h> woot! 220 in the garage for my bandsaw
[14:24] <jrwren_> you ran 220 there?
[14:24] <rick_h> I had it done because I wasn't sure about what needed to be done there. I have a 40A subpanel in the garage already
[14:25] <rick_h> so they just ran me a 200 line witha single plug for the bandsaw
[14:25] <rick_h> I hadn't messed with anything non-110 so was nervous about DIY
[14:25] <jrwren_> ah, nice. I'd love to run 240 to mine, but I look out how thick that copper is and I really don't want to route that myself.
[14:26] <jrwren_> understood, plus its not like it is just 120 but more, its phased differently, right?
[14:27] <rick_h> well, honestly, it was the plugs that threw me off more than anything lol. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=220+plug+wire+end&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A220+plug+wire+end
[14:27] <jrwren_> ha!
[14:27] <rick_h> it's all different per Amps I guess. Camper is the same. Has 30A built in but you have to have different dogbones to go to a 50A or 15A
[14:28] <rick_h> but for me it was like "wtf...I just want a 200 plug for my bandsaw when it arrives. Why is this so complicated?
[14:28] <rick_h>  /200/220
[14:28] <jrwren_> right.
[14:28] <jrwren_> and most of those are 240 :)
[14:28] <rick_h> right
[14:28] <jrwren_> just like we still call it 110, but us service has been 120 for a very long time now
[14:28] <rick_h> yep
[14:29] <jrwren_> the thing I don't grok about 240v service is the 2 hot lines. I guess that EE part of my degree isn't very good ;)
[14:30] <rick_h> yea, well that's how they get it up there. so it's 4-wire I think and they run a hot onto two breakers.
[14:30] <rick_h> I thought they'd need to pull something new to my sub panel from my main panel to get me the 220, but they just wired it straight up to a new breaker that's 30A
[14:31] <jrwren_> its probably already 220 to the subpanel
[14:31] <snap-l> jrwren_: That's what cracks me up about Electricians vs EEs.
[14:31] <jrwren_> snap-l: oh, me too!
[14:31] <snap-l> It's like the difference between Fluid Dynamics and Plumbing. ;)
[14:31] <jrwren_> err wait, I don't have any part of an EE degree. CS/CE, LOL
[14:33] <snap-l> Yeah, CS is just useless. ;)
[14:34] <rick_h> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgtdv057hvdkb6k/2013-06-13%2010.31.52.jpg jrwren_ yea, I had a guy that's a general handyman from the woodworking group help me out when I first ran that subpanel out to the garage
[14:34] <rick_h> so yea, it's got dual 110 up there into the box, then A/B are my normal outlets on two diff 20A runs. Then the sqD is the 20A 220 for the bandsaw dedicated outlet. The bottom two are not hooked up to anything. Just there for future expandsion
[14:35] <snap-l>  Honestly, when it comes to home wiring I want someone who can pass an inspection doing the job
[14:35] <snap-l> Not going to cheap out
[14:35] <rick_h> yea, erica freaks out when I touch electrical. She had a heart attack when I installed the child-proof outlets around the house lol
[14:35] <snap-l> I don't need someone releasing the magic smoke in my walls
[14:36] <snap-l> Those are fine, but running 240 through the house is a different matter
[14:36] <rick_h> right
[14:36] <rick_h> yea, I didn't do this myself for sure.
[14:36] <rick_h> once the box was in place thogh I ran the wiring/outlets through the garage
[14:36] <rick_h> that's easy stuff
[14:36] <snap-l> right
[14:37] <jrwren_> for basic 120v home wiring, I'll do it myself. its damned easy.
[14:38] <jrwren_> i'm of the opinion that I can try anything a couple times, and if it requires more skill or i just hate it, i'll pay someone else
[14:38] <rick_h> +1
[14:38] <rick_h> and I'm one of those sucky customers that wants to look over their shoulder as they do it so I can learn :)
[14:38] <snap-l> heh
[14:39] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not going to pay someone to install a light switch
[14:39] <brousch> rick_h: I think they don't mind if you're friendly while you do it
[14:39] <snap-l> They get really mad if you try dry humping their leg, though
[14:39] <snap-l> just FYI
[14:40] <brousch> TIL
[14:40] <jrwren_> me too! I had a guy running a gas line for me, working black pipe, and I just said "don't mind me, I want to watch"
[14:43] <brousch> Would've been better: "I like to watch"
[14:45] <snap-l> alternately "it's been a while since anyone has been down here. Y'know, since 'the incident'".
[14:45] <snap-l> "The voices like you"
[14:45] <snap-l> "I like you"
[15:08] <jrwren_> mental note: never allow snap-l into my home :)
[15:29] <greg-g> jrwren_: oh you poor soul
[15:37] <jrwren_> https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1  looks SWEET!
[15:37] <jrwren_> still not as small as a mac book air, but looks to be the best linux ultra i've seen.
[15:38] <greg-g> http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-398_8njq.pdf
[15:38] <greg-g> here's one link I have http://www.pubpat.org/ampsctdecision.htm
[15:38] <greg-g> yay
[15:38] <rick_h> jrwren_: yea, 4# isn't ultra-light imo
[15:38] <rick_h> really not a fan of that build look
[15:38] <jrwren_> nor I
[15:39] <rick_h> 1080p though!
[15:39] <rick_h> but a 14" screen :/
[15:39] <rick_h> lots of ports love is cool
[15:39] <jrwren_> supreme court missed a huge opportunity here. they SHOULD have invalidated all patents on genes.
[15:40] <greg-g> jrwren_: yeah, agree, but at least all "natural" (or whatever) genes aren't patentable
[15:40] <greg-g> not just human
[15:40] <jrwren_> agreed, there is the "at least"
[15:41] <greg-g> :)
[15:52] <brousch> Galu does looks nice
[15:53] <brousch> Too bad I don't need a new computer yet
[15:54] <greg-g> I thought everyone who wanted a macbook air but not apple got the Dell XPS 13?
[15:54] <greg-g> too bad good ole "project sputnik" is having kernel issues :)
[15:55] <jrwren_> TIL: pep8 doesn't mandate a space between a quote and an and
[15:55] <jrwren_> if x == 'wow'and y == 'crazy':
[15:55] <rick_h> jrwren_: I expect a patch by EOD :)
[15:57] <brousch> mmmm, pegging all 4 cores now
[16:02] <brousch> Going to peg these suckers for 30-45mins
[16:02] <brousch> I hope it doesn't melt
[16:03] <greg-g> brousch: what you doing?
[16:04] <brousch> Converting 500 badly formatted 36"x48" PDFs to TIFF
[16:05] <brousch> I broke them into 4 pieces so I could run them in parallel
[16:05] <brousch> Lunch!
[16:48] <greg-g> so, there are now 3 extra kids in the house (2 two year old twins and 1 four year old). They're here half-time (their mom lives here now, split from dad). I feel bad, but I needed to put my headphones/RATM on to block out the noise today (working from home).
[16:51] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, when my wife/boy are home on thurs I head out of the house. Can't do it
[16:54]  * greg-g nods
[16:54] <greg-g> yeah, I might do that in a bit. Had my 9am call but it might be time for a coffee shop trip.
[16:54] <greg-g> but I'm enjoying air drumming to RATM right now ;)
[17:04] <jrwren_> i stopped working at home as soon as the girl could crawl, because she would crawl up to me and want to play.
[17:05] <brousch> That would be hard on the kid, too. Having to tell her it's not play time
[17:05] <brousch> Go away kid, Daddy is on his computer!
[17:07] <greg-g> yeah, it has been with Rowan. :/
[17:07] <greg-g> I dont' work from home much anymore (this is probably the first time since I started at WMF in Feb) so it isn't bad anymore
[17:07] <greg-g> but at CC I wfm Wed/Fri every week.
[17:07] <rick_h> I don't know. It's good for the boy imo. Same thing with cooking dinner. Sometimes he has to play while I cook on stuff. Sometimes he can participate in the cooking.
[17:08] <jrwren_> kids understand.
[17:08] <jrwren_> the thing is, I WANT to play with her :)
[17:08] <snap-l> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/
[17:08] <snap-l> ^ Not unsurprising
[17:09] <greg-g> yeah, we got one of those "learning tower" things for the kitchen for cooking time. really helped out.
[17:09] <snap-l> Also, this batch of Supreme Court decisions is extremely surgical in their decisions
[17:10] <rick_h> yea, we let him climb up on a chair when it's something he can help with. Sometimes it's just boiling water and best to keep out.
[17:11] <jrwren_> i've never heard of learning tower.
[17:11] <greg-g> they're pretty neat
[17:11] <rick_h> yea, if Michael was younger I'd be all over it
[17:11] <rick_h> he's old enough now that just a chair works out ok.
[17:11] <greg-g> http://www.amazon.com/Little-Partners-Learning-Tower-Natural/dp/B001ECHXVC
[17:12] <greg-g> rick_h: how old is he now?
[17:12] <rick_h> greg-g: 3
[17:13] <jrwren_> ha! is that seriously just a step stool with sides just in case a kid falls?
[17:13] <jrwren_> a $200 step stool! wow.
[17:14] <snap-l> jrwren_: Not just any step stool; a step stool that has liability insurance tacked on for when the kid defeats the saftey.
[17:15] <snap-l> and all of the kid testing to pass all of the certifications
[17:15] <greg-g> jrwren_: we got ours used, only way to go with baby/kid stuff
[17:15] <greg-g> $40 I think, iirc
[17:16] <jrwren_> ah, cool.
[17:17] <snap-l> http://affotd.com/2012/12/12/americas-most-awesomely-dangerous-toys/
[17:24] <snap-l> The System76 laptop refresh seems nice.
[17:38] <brousch> ahahahah. I ran out of disk space from those conversions. Apparently imagemagick is creating a 1.2GB temp file for each PDF
[17:41] <greg-g> use vips
[17:41] <greg-g> seriously
[17:41] <greg-g> we're switching to it from imagemagick because it is better on ram/disk/cpu
[17:42] <greg-g> brousch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIPS_%28software%29
[17:48] <snap-l> Apparently JoDee's sense of smell is returning because she said Pixel dropped a deuce so bad they're clearing out Downtown Royal Oak.
[18:11] <snap-l> Well, that's a bit of a habit, now isn't it.
[18:11] <snap-l> logged into my machine, and instantly typed "irc".
[18:31] <brousch> Hm, I was wrong about the 1.2GB files. Apparently it was just the conversion of one specific file that created about 40 1.2GB files. Insane
[20:26] <jrwren_> what happened to her smell?
[20:36] <snap-l> jrwren_: She had allergies going pretty strong
[20:37] <snap-l> so she was having difficulty smelling / tasting things
[23:25] <jrwren_> wow, them is some bad allergies.


[12:10] <Riddell> request on mailing list for packagers: kchmviewer, kkbswitch
[12:18] <allee> Riddell: kcmviewer: seems like pusling is already working on it
[12:19] <allee> kkbswitch: I wonder why it's not integrated into the KDEs systray keyboard chooser??
[12:19] <allee> 'k
[12:20] <haggai> heya folks
[12:20] <haggai> Riddell: I met Martijn Dekkers this week; he said he's met you
[12:22] <Riddell> haggai: ooh, he's cool
[12:22] <Riddell> haggai: what was the context?
[10:14] <insanekane> hello all
[11:02] <icefox> _Sime|Zzz: cool
[12:09] <amu> Riddell: ping
[01:03] <Riddell> amu: hi
[02:18] <Riddell> \sh: what's the status of libvisual?
[02:23] <\sh> Riddell: i386 ok, amd64 ok ppc failed
[02:23] <\sh> Riddell: but libvisual_plugins is more complicated
[02:25] <\sh> Riddell: configure: WARNING: *** You need dlsym() to make use of Libvisual.
[02:25] <\sh> checking for sqrt in -lm... no
[02:25] <\sh> configure: error: *** You need the Standard C Math Library to build Libvisual.
[02:25] <\sh> oh dlsym should be in libdl
[02:58] <amu> Riddell: do you want post a news about kubuntu@lwe ?
[03:00] <amu> Riddell: do you have an status about the CD's for the LWE ?
[03:01] <Riddell> amu: I'm afraid I havn't even got the artwork done yet, so they're unlikely to be finished in time
[03:06] <amu> hmm, too bad, i phoned with tackat last days, he'll do the posters for the LWE
[03:22] <freeflying> can not use kat in kubuntu dapper
[03:23] <freeflying> when begain index some dir .it will crashes
[04:34] <Riddell> allee: do you know if anyone has packaged akode?
[04:34] <spstarr_work> hmm
[04:38] <Riddell> spstarr_work: ?
[04:38] <spstarr_work> just trying out eric3 I'd like to get that into Kubuntu :-)
[04:39] <spstarr_work> I have it hacked up on Dapper Kubuntu
[04:39] <spstarr_work> but i need to clean up the debian/* stuff
[04:41] <Riddell> we have eric
[04:41] <spstarr_work> 3.8.0?
[04:42] <Riddell> maybe not that version
[04:42] <spstarr_work> its broken currently yeah it wants python2.3
[04:42] <spstarr_work> so i have it working in 2.4 with some adjustments
[04:42] <Riddell> right
[04:42] <Riddell> cool
[04:43] <spstarr_work> even have it working in RHEL4 for work since eric3 is rather useful since I do a lot of python hacking
[05:02] <allee> Riddell: akode, afaik no debian-qt-kde member started working on 3.5 yet, and before kdelibs, -base etc noone works on -multimedia
[05:03] <Riddell> yep
[05:03] <Riddell> packaging it now
[05:28] <pef> Riddell: hello
[05:28] <pef> Riddell: here is konversation debdiff merged from debian http://dev.erodia.net/ubuntu/konversation/konversation_0.18-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[05:31] <Riddell> groovy, thanks
[05:36] <pef> Riddell: when uploaded, can you close the bug report on bugzilla ? I don't have enough permissions to do it
[05:38] <Riddell> pef: sure
[07:13] <\sh> Riddell: which specs are approved for kubuntu?
[07:13] <\sh> i didn't see any on the ubuntu-devel-announcement list
[07:55] <seth_k> Riddell, did you ever peek at new kmobiletools?
[08:28] <haggai> Riddell: doing some work for him


[00:34] <uskerine> hi
[00:35] <uskerine> is it possible to make LUBUNTU look like windows xp (in classic mode)?
[00:39] <phillw> uskerine: there are many skins available
[00:41] <phillw> uskerine: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/174396-make-linux-look-like-windows-95-98-a.html will give you a start, in these cases... google is your best friend :)
[00:49] <uskerine> can you use UBUNTU themes in LUBUNTU?
[00:52] <Unit193> Ubuntu on Lubuntu? It generally needs GTK2/3, and Openbox elements.
[00:53] <uskerine> lubuntu
[00:54] <uskerine> i want to use lubuntu, ubuntu is too heavy
[00:55] <uskerine> so lubuntu uses openbox as window manager
[00:55] <Unit193> Openbox+LXDE.
[00:56] <uskerine> Does Openbox implement the desktop icons?
[00:57] <Unit193> That's the LXDE component PCManFM
[00:57] <uskerine> PcMANFM is the filemanager
[00:57] <Unit193> Yes, it is that as well.
[00:58] <uskerine> i tried icewm+idesk
[00:58] <uskerine> idesk was the one that implemented the desktop icons
[00:58] <Unit193> As an example, you can  killall pcmanfm  from terminal and watch all the icons go away, should logout and back in after though.
[00:59] <uskerine> interesting
[00:59] <uskerine> ok
[01:00] <uskerine> and if i would like to make a similar taskbar like in windows xp (in classic mode)
[01:00] <uskerine> is that possible?
[01:00] <Unit193> Well, it's just lxpanel you'd have to look at.
[01:02] <uskerine> what about the icons, which icon set could i use?
[01:02] <uskerine> i would like to install a server to provide access to 20 users
[01:02] <uskerine> and it would be great if the system could look like windows xp
[01:14] <phillw> user
[01:17] <phillw> uskerine: and then Bill Gates sues us for looking like his system? There are various skins and walk throughs for making linux look like Windows and Mac, that is my best suggestion to you.
[01:20] <phillw> uskerine: if you'd like to chat further about this, please join #lubuntu-offtopic
[01:21] <uskerine> thanks
[01:21] <Unit193> phillw: He was asking a support question on themeing though...
[12:54] <uskerine> hi
[12:54] <uskerine> i have just installed lubuntu
[12:55] <uskerine> when I type "top", in a 1Gb RAM system it shows that only 115Mb are free
[12:55] <uskerine> is that normal?
[13:03] <pAt__> Uskerine. Depends on if it includes the cache already or not. What does the command free tells you?
[13:04] <pAt__> Without the cache, Lubuntu needs about 160Mb memory
[13:04] <pAt__> On my laptop
[13:04] <pAt__> Using dropbox
[13:07] <uskerine> LXLauncher
[13:07] <uskerine>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[13:07] <uskerine> Mem:        977808     843476     134332          0      10928     234132
[13:07] <uskerine> free
[13:07] <uskerine> i have done a clean standard installation
[13:08] <uskerine> and i am not bloated with many programs, just few windows in chrome
[13:08] <pAt__> Strange. What do you get directly after loggin in?
[13:09] <Sentynel> the +/- buffers/cache line in free's output is the important one
[13:10] <uskerine> -/+ buffers/cache:     600360     377448
[13:10] <uskerine> Swap:      1002492      56552     945940
[13:10] <Sentynel> hm, 600MB usage is still higher than I'd expect
[13:10] <Sentynel> but you do have about 400MB available, so it's not critical
[13:11] <uskerine>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[13:11] <uskerine> Mem:        977808     383032     594776          0      13968     176900
[13:11] <uskerine> -/+ buffers/cache:     192164     785644
[13:11] <uskerine> Swap:      1002492      38872     963620
[13:11] <uskerine> this is closing chrome and all windows except terminal and this xchat window
[13:11] <pAt__> Just look into the task manager which programs are consumting the most memory and how much.
[13:11] <uskerine> it is critical sentynel, because I would like to have a system with up to 20 concurrent users (with more than 1Gb of course)
[13:12] <uskerine> task manager reports 192Mb of 954Mb used
[13:13] <pAt__> That looks more realistic
[13:13] <uskerine> so what the hell is reporting "free" or "top"?
[13:13] <Sentynel> er
[13:13] <Sentynel> the newer free output you pasted
[13:13] <Sentynel> agrees with task manager
[13:14] <uskerine> free says 383Mb against 190Mb
[13:14] <uskerine> for use dmemory, right?
[13:14] <uskerine> i see
[13:14] <Sentynel> the free output you pasted here says 192MB used, 785 free, which agrees with task manager
[13:14] <uskerine> i see
[13:14] <uskerine> but why does it says "383Mb" as used in the first line?
[13:14] <Sentynel> as I say the +/- buffers/cache line in free is the important one
[13:14] <uskerine> what does it mean?
[13:14] <uskerine> ok ok
[13:14] <uskerine> thanks
[13:15] <uskerine> but what is the meaning of the first line
[13:15] <uskerine> ?
[13:15] <Sentynel> because in the first line it counts buffers and cache, because it isn't empty memory
[13:15] <Sentynel> but anything used for those can just be booted out of memory if it's actually needed by a program
[13:15] <Sentynel> it's just using spare space to speed things up#
[13:15] <uskerine> without starting to make disk swaap?
[13:16] <Sentynel> it's used to speed up disk access for files and so on
[13:16] <uskerine> i am concerned because i will have to set up a server for up to 10 or 20 concurrent users
[13:17] <uskerine> no mather how much memory i put if each user starts to use large amounts of RAM it won't work
[13:17] <uskerine> is there an actual memory and CPU saving in LUBUNTU against UBUNTU?
[13:17] <uskerine> because UBUNTU desktop is by far much more fancy
[13:18] <pAt__> Unity needs much more.memory. More the double
[13:18] <uskerine> ok
[13:18] <Sentynel> ubuntu requires over 512MB of memory for a single user
[13:18] <Sentynel> as you can see lubuntu is running at under 200 with a couple of pieces of software open
[13:19] <Sentynel> (I swapped my father's office machine off ubuntu to lubuntu after the unity switch, because it started swapping like mad, on a system with 512MB of RAM)
[13:19] <pAt__> I rarly need more then 1 gb with lubuntu
[13:21] <Sentynel> I've never had memory problems on the 1GB netbook I run it on, and that's with running some KDE software
[13:22] <uskerine> ok
[13:22] <uskerine> yes but i plan to put around 15 users through xdmcp against same server
[13:22] <uskerine> so i guess i will need something around 16Gb, right?
[13:23] <Sentynel> I'd think you could get away with 8GB
[13:23] <pAt__> If they all use it at the same time, it would be a good idea.
[13:23] <Sentynel> as I say, my father's office machine has 512MB and copes fine
[13:24] <Sentynel> are you expecting 15 concurrent users with heavy use? if they've all just got a web browser or two open 512MB will be fine
[13:25] <uskerine> ok
[13:25] <uskerine> well, i guess the best thing is to get as much memory as you can
[13:26] <uskerine> at the end, i guess 8Gb is not so expensive
[13:26] <pAt__> In case you also have swap
[13:27] <uskerine> i was thinking in distributing them among different servers, but i would like they could share the same /home file tree
[13:27] <uskerine> is there something i could use as separate NFS server for /home that would allow concurrent access from 4 servers?
[13:41] <uskerine> http://box-look.org/content/show.php/A+New+Reality?content=147914
[13:41] <uskerine> could someone help me to understand how openbox and lubuntu -in general- can be customized?
[14:30] <uskerine> how can i manually setup a GTK+ color scheme file? (I assume LXDE / LUBUNTU uses GTK+)
[14:41]  * Broam waves
[14:41] <Broam> hi folks. Heard something about you needing lubuntu/ppc testers?
[14:56] <uskerine> hi, pcmanfm does not respond to font and color changes done with lxappareance (in LUBUNTU)
[16:38] <pip__> lubuntu-desktop & lubuntu-core have no installation candidates (along with a whole bunch of other stuff) apparently.  I'm working from 12.04 mini iso am I doing something wrong for this message to appear?
[16:39] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update ?
[16:40] <pip__> twas the first thing I did. I'll try it again to be sure though
[16:40] <Unit193> Can you check your sources.list?
[16:41] <pip__> hang on I've got some hash sum mismatches in the update
[16:41] <stlsaint> pip__: yep thats a problem
[16:42] <pip__> okay, any ideas for a fix?
[16:42] <stlsaint> pip__: try changing sources list
[16:42] <pip__> sorry to be a n00b what's the path?
[16:42] <stlsaint> your server
[16:43] <Unit193> /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:43] <stlsaint> pip__: first your main server
[16:43] <pip__> cool I'm in
[16:44] <stlsaint> in your srouces update
[16:44] <Unit193> Change them to the default, and if that's no help, that may mean you don't have the key and should just fetch it.
[16:44] <pip__> This is a just done install, so I've not altered the list
[16:45] <stlsaint> pip__: just change the sources server to something else and reload
[16:45] <pip__> ah mo sorry just in the sources list at the mo
[16:52] <pip__> clearly I'm too stupid to have tried this, & possibly to own a computer  :-D
[16:53] <stlsaint> pip__: did changing the server work?
[16:54] <pip__> I'm unsure what to change it to TBH
[16:55] <stlsaint> did you open the sources menu
[16:55] <stlsaint> not the sources.list conf but the graphical sources menu
[16:56] <pip__> I have no GUI
[16:56] <stlsaint> huh?
[16:57] <Unit193> stlsaint: lubuntu-desktop failed.
[16:57] <stlsaint> ah crap
[16:57] <pip__> lol.  I've done a minimal install (12.04) & when I've tried to install lubuntu-desktop I get the initial error I mentioned - no installation candidate
[16:57] <Unit193> pip__: What does the first deb yatata yatta bleh say?
[16:57] <stlsaint> yatata yatta bleh?? awesome
[16:58] <pip__> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted
[16:58] <pip__> lol
[16:58] <Unit193> Make it closer to `deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted`
[16:59] <stlsaint> so desktop failed and youve been dropped into a prompt...hrm strange one there, never had that on lubuntu
[16:59] <Unit193> gb. may be weird.
[16:59] <pip__> oh sorry it's got the deb at the start, they all have
[16:59] <stlsaint> happens on Ubuntu all the time though smh
[16:59] <pip__> I was gonna try uk instead of gb
[16:59] <Unit193> pip__: Yeah, drop the "gb."
[16:59] <stlsaint> Unit193: gb is just their server in his home ocuntry
[16:59] <stlsaint> country
[16:59] <pip__> ok, that makes sense
[16:59] <Unit193> stlsaint: Yeah, that can be messed up.
[17:00] <stlsaint> touche
[17:00] <Unit193> stlsaint: REALLY messed up my Oneiric upgrade, fixed that and it fixed a few issues.
[17:02] <pip__> okay I'm gonna give it another shot
[17:02] <pip__> h'mmm, now it's unable to locate the package...
[17:03] <Unit193> Gotta update if you haven't already.
[17:03] <pip__> oops update
[17:04] <pip__> yeah, I just realised
[17:05] <pip__> sweet, no error messages
[17:06] <Unit193> See? I almost know what I'm doing sometimes...
[17:06] <Unit193> ;)
[17:06] <pip__> lol, thank goodness somebody does
[17:07] <stlsaint> Unit193: oh just take all the credit huh?? :P
[17:08] <Unit193> Oh, stlsaint did most of it, I just sat back and made comments (peanut crowd)
[17:08] <stlsaint> lol
[17:08] <pip__> teamwork gentlemen, teamwork...& patience with n00bs
[17:09] <stlsaint> pip__: so now whats your next step? O_o
[17:10] <pip__> install the desktop, which is happening now & then see what happens
[17:10] <stlsaint> cool, just making sure ;)
[17:10] <pip__> I'm experimenting with a beaten up old laptop
[17:11] <pip__> & I mean BEATEN, it's got no screen so I use an external
[17:12] <pip__> the HDDs on its way out & it's got 256 MB RAM so I though it'd make a "good" test box
[17:13] <stlsaint> yep and lubuntu would be a good choice to test on
[17:13] <stlsaint> later folks
[17:13] <stlsaint> bbiab
[17:13] <pip__> thanks very much ttfn
[17:45] <genmail> hi all :) I'd like to increase the volume of capture of my laptop internal microphone, but I can't manage very well to have a decent capture sound...any advice please?
[17:52] <Broam> genmail: there's always alsamixer in a terminal. it's not LXDE-specific, but it works
[17:53] <genmail> Broam: can you please tell me which volume raise up to make it work at its best?
[17:53] <Broam> genmail: depends on your sound card
[17:53] <Broam> genmail: you may want to see if there's a Microphone Amplifier setting
[17:54] <Broam> genmail: also called "Mic Boost" sometimes
[18:02] <genmail> Broam: how can I check my soundcard from terminal?
[21:20] <Reptillian> I understand that linux is generally much more secure than windows though it usually comes down to the user using the OS, but I am interested into using CAVL from comodo inside lubuntu. any feedback with regards to this?
[21:21] <Reptillian> I'm testing lubuntu under virtual machine right now
[21:22] <Unit193> Basically: Why?
[21:23] <Unit193> !antivirus
[21:23] <Unit193> It'd make sense for a email/file server though, but not as much desktop.
[21:24] <Reptillian> so I should get a firewall instead. ok
[21:24] <Unit193> There is iptables, UFW, and I don't remember what the "standard" GUI is.
[21:25] <Unit193> There should be clamAV if you really want to have one, or you can add other antivirus if it's really what you want.  One GUI for firewalls is `gufw`
[21:26] <Reptillian> alright then, thanks
[23:14] <uskerine> hi
[23:14] <uskerine> i have discovered that LXDM does not support XDMCP
[23:15] <uskerine> which is the easiest way to configure LUBUNTU as server for multiple concurrent thin client users?