[12:28] <Riddell> andrunko: hi
[03:11] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:12] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello Jucato
[03:15] <jdong> can anyone give me a logical explanation why data=journal is faster than data=writeback OR data=ordered?
[03:15] <jdong> (ext3 of course)
[03:16] <Jucato> ooh... nice :P
[03:16] <Jucato> nixternal: was the hwdb for Kubuntu included already in Knot 3?
[03:17] <jdong> Jucato: yes
[03:17] <Jucato> where is it?
[03:17] <jdong> Jucato: in the K menu :D
[03:17] <jdong> (how can you tell I'm not running KDE at the moment?)
[03:18] <Jucato> ah Kubuntu Device Database
[03:19] <crimsun> jdong: data=journal only commits metadata to the journal. data=ordered commits to the fs before committing metadata to the journal. data=writeback _can_ commit to fs after committing metadata to the journal, but that's not necessarily the case with CFQ and your usage patterns.
[03:20] <jdong> crimsun: I thought data=journal does full data journaling in addition to metadata?
[03:20] <crimsun> yes
[03:20] <jdong> which means it should be the heaviest journaling mode of the 3
[03:20] <crimsun> no
[03:20] <jdong> no?
[03:20] <crimsun> no. It is potentially the slowest but not necessarily.
[03:21] <crimsun> Remember that these algorithms were designed before CFQ was updated.
[03:21] <jdong> I see
[03:21] <jdong> I am noticing that data=journal is dramatically faster than default data=ordered
[03:21] <jdong> especially with simultaneous disk access
[03:22] <jdong> i.e. launching OOo while compressing two kernel tarballs
[03:22] <crimsun> yes, there are noticeable differences depending on elevator algorithm and usage patterns
[03:22] <crimsun> you've just experienced firsthand why benchmarks are misleading.
[03:22] <jdong> how fascinating...
[03:23] <jdong> I've always been told that data=journal is the safest but slowest mode.... guess not
[03:23] <jdong> crimsun: so ordered is not necessarily ordered anymore, with the new elevators?
[03:24] <Jucato> aha! k3b finally made it to backports!
[03:24] <crimsun> no, it is still ordered, but the interaction may be different.
[03:24] <jdong> Jucato: yes, soyuz is fixed :)
[03:24] <Jucato> it's a miracle!!! :)
[03:24] <jdong> which means I'll be doing a bit of backports processing tomorrow morning :)
[03:24] <jdong> bright and early
[03:24] <Jucato> Kopete and Konversation still aren't there though
[03:25] <jdong> Jucato: those have to be re-done
[03:25] <jdong> I think
[03:25] <Jucato> ah
[03:25] <jdong> or ubuntu-archive needs to do some NEW queue cleaning on dapper-backports :)
[03:25] <Jucato> ok.. sorry to have interrupted your conversation with crimsun :)
[03:25] <jdong> Jucato: it's fine
[03:25] <jdong> we were basically finished
[03:25] <jdong> besides, what's IRC without the ADD?
[03:26] <Jucato> heh
[03:40] <jdong> crimsun: you still around?
[03:40] <crimsun> somewhat
[03:41] <jdong> crimsun: can the Acer laptop alsa fix be backported to dapper, too?
[03:41] <crimsun> which Acer fix?
[03:41] <crimsun> keep in mind all patches I send are targetted to Dapper. Ben tweaks them for Edgy.
[03:41] <jdong> for the Acer Aspire 567x series, intel-hda, no sound with realtek 883 codec
[03:42] <crimsun> chances are if you don't already see them in dapper-{security,updates}, it's because they're in dapper-proposed.
[03:44] <jdong> crimsun: it's in ubuntu-dapper-updates.git, not ubuntu-dapper.git though... what's the difference between the two branches?
[03:47] <crimsun> proposed updates for testing vs. what hits security/updates
[03:47] <crimsun> after a period, stuff from the former trickles into the latter
[03:47] <crimsun> think Debian unstable->testing, for instance
[03:47] <crimsun> (the testing & verification stages)
[03:48] <jdong> crimsun: ah, ok, gotcha
[03:48] <jdong> part of the new QA process, I guess
[03:49] <crimsun> yes
[03:49] <jdong> k, that just about takes care of my kernel concerns for tonight :)
[03:50] <jdong> oh yeah, I filed bug 61342 from a discussion I had earlier today in #ubuntu-devel... I don't think we have all the mentioned changesets
[03:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61342 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Backport Intel 965 Express chipset support from 2.6.18" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61342
[03:50] <jdong> but then again, I really suck at searching the git trees :)
[04:39] <freeflying> Riddell: no iso for ppc now?
[05:58] <nixternal> Hobbsee: quick question, Kst has a new upstream release, v1.3.0. Debian and Ubuntu currently have 1.2.1 in unstable and edgy. should I just do a normal package, or should I poke the Debian Devs about the new update?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: boo.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: er, do either
[05:59] <Hobbsee> depends who the debian dev is, and how active they are
[05:59] <Hobbsee> !info kst edgy
[05:59] <ubotu> kst: A KDE application used for displaying scientific data. In component universe, is optional.  :P
[07:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i got approved for a credit card :D
[07:20] <Jucato> nice!!!
[07:20] <Hobbsee> $2000 min limit
[07:20] <Jucato> could you buy me this book from Amazon and send it to this address?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> not that i intend to use it much :P
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:21] <Hobbsee> dream on
[07:21] <Jucato> lol
[07:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: so now you have something to use on UDS Calif
[07:22] <Hobbsee> theoretically, yes
[07:22] <Jucato> :)
[07:22] <Hobbsee> if i get there
[07:23] <Jucato> So let me get this straight. UDS will be held inside Google's um... property? using Google's facilities?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> dont know, i presume so
[07:24] <Jucato> ah
[07:33] <insanekane> UDS ?
[07:33] <Jucato> Ubuntu Development Summit
[07:33] <Jucato> Developers
[07:33] <Jucato> rawr...
[07:35] <Hobbsee> heya insanekane
[07:35] <Hobbsee> well, both, really
[07:35] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[07:35] <Hobbsee> hopefully the developers will be doing development
[07:36] <Jucato> heh
[07:36] <Jucato> ano not lie half-naked in bed with their laptops :P
[07:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: you mean google is sponsoring a kubuntu development ?
[07:39] <Jucato> Ubuntu Developer Summit Mountain View! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/554
[07:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i wouldnt go that far
[07:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh.  i wouldnt join them doing that, trust me :P
[07:43] <Jucato> you better not :P
[07:44] <insanekane> Hobbsee: oh ?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> insanekane: ie, i dont know if they're formally sponsoring or what - there were an awful lot of kubuntu/kde based SOC projects though
[07:44] <insanekane> Hobbsee: there are ?
[07:44] <insanekane> Hobbsee: didnt know that
[07:44] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:45] <Hobbsee> OEM installer, for one thing
[07:45] <Hobbsee> plenty of others
[07:45] <Jucato> OEM installer by abattoir :P
[07:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:46] <abattoir> KMformat(for formatting floppies/USB flash drives), KDE Guidance Wine module and LVM support for ubiquity were the others :)
[07:47] <Jucato> ooh ooh!! will KDE Guidance Wine module make it to Edgy?
[07:47] <abattoir> (other Kubuntu SoC projects)
[07:48] <abattoir> Jucato: not sure, you'd have to check w/ yuriy for that :)
[07:48] <Jucato> :P
[07:51] <abattoir> Jucato: so are you doing the nvidia page?
[07:52] <abattoir> oops, wrong channel
[07:54] <yuriy> Jucato: a couple things i need to fix (namely get this patch into wine...which is a frustrating process) but you could always check out svn and try it out ; )
[07:55] <Jucato> yuriy: thanks for the update.
[07:55] <Jucato> I would surely check out svn stuff... if I only knew how... and how to not mess up my system with it :P
[07:55] <yuriy> heh
[09:54] <Kuhrscher> Hi, does anyone know where the translations of the Kubuntu Installer are from?
[09:55] <Kuhrscher> In Dapper the translation was quite incomplete, but I could not find a corresponding incomplete translation...
[10:14] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[10:14] <Hobbsee> heya
[10:14] <Hobbsee> oh my goodness
[10:14] <Jucato> ??
[10:14] <Hobbsee> i'd forgotten what dapper was like
[10:14] <Jucato> lol
[10:14] <Jucato> welcome back to the "real" world :P
[10:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:14] <Jucato> heh
[10:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: use imbrandon repos for the newer konvi and kopete
[10:15] <Jucato> I'm using Konvi 1.0 on Dapper
[10:15] <Hobbsee> ahhhh.....
[10:15] <Hobbsee> i may just use irssi, not sure
[10:15] <Jucato> what? and miss out the konversation goodness? :P
[10:22] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: they're from ubiquity and debian-installer
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'll try booting to edgy again soon, i expect
[10:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee: why are you on Dapper anyway?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no eth0 on edgy, for some reason
[10:22] <Hobbsee> i've had trouble here before
[10:22] <Jucato> oh...
[10:23] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[10:24] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Hmm strange, these templates are complete...
[10:27] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Perhaps it's just a bug and the problem does not exist for edgy
[10:29] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: try the Knot 3 CD
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm hoping that if i close my eyes and snap my fingers, it'll go away
[10:30] <Riddell> Kuhrscher: let me know which strings aren't being translated and I'll look into it
[10:30] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Thanks. I will try and report a bug if the problem persists
[10:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: lol :)
[10:30] <Riddell> Jucato: dot seems quite random today
[10:31] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Ok, I will tell you tomorrow if they are still there
[10:32] <Jucato> Riddell: yeah. I also remember the comments when Celeste was featured :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what was the web address to get all of imbrandon's updated packages?
[10:52] <Jucato> er.. hold on :)
[10:52] <Jucato> deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper all
[10:54] <Hobbsee> oh, yep, right
[10:54] <Hobbsee> i was still using buntudot.org
[10:54] <Hobbsee> heh, now, the ssh is laggy :P
[10:54] <Jucato> heh
[10:55] <imbrandon> moins all
[10:55] <Jucato> imbrandon: moin!
[10:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: pong
[10:55] <imbrandon> heh
[10:55] <Jucato> wb Riddell
[10:56] <Jucato> wow! that's the first time I saw him leave/disconnect/whatever!
[10:56] <imbrandon> wow broken pipe , havent seen that before
[10:56] <Jucato> hm..
[10:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: --> query
[10:59] <imbrandon> hrm /me looks for the right qery window in irssi
[10:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:59] <imbrandon> hilight me in it
[10:59] <imbrandon> heh
[10:59] <Hobbsee> i'm not terribly used to it either
[11:02] <Jucato> hi el!
[11:02] <el> moin Jucato :)
[11:03] <imbrandon> ello el and Jucato
[11:03] <imbrandon> and moins \sh
[11:04] <el> huhu imbrandon :)
[11:04] <\sh> moins all :)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[11:12] <Hobbsee> hi el!
[11:13] <el> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:13] <\sh> hey Hobbsee
[11:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> dapper is so old....
[11:15] <Jucato> :P
[11:15] <Jucato> you are so mean...
[11:15] <Jucato> remember Dapper = 3 years support
[11:16] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[11:17] <Jucato> oooh! el's gonna give a talk at the aKademy :)
[11:18] <el> Jucato, yes - right on saturday morning... so no staying out late for me on friday ;-)
[11:18] <Jucato> el: nice.good  luck! :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ooh, fun, what on?
[11:18] <el> Jucato, thank you :)
[11:18] <Jucato> "Keeping Users in Mind"
[11:19] <el> Hobbsee, usability in KDE
[11:19] <Jucato> http://conference2006.kde.org/conference/talks/38.php
[11:21] <Hobbsee> el: i guess that's expected
[11:21] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:22] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I think Seveas was connected to that? lol
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe
[11:29] <Jucato> ooh the clone of Hobbsee
[11:29] <Jucato> evil evil clone
[11:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:29] <Hobbsee> this is hobbsee locally now
[11:29] <Hobbsee> indeed i'm evil......
[11:29] <Jucato> oooh
[11:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:34] <Riddell> let's try those language packs again
[12:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:35] <Hobbsee> what, all of them
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ?
[12:35] <Riddell> *all* of them
[12:35] <Hobbsee> people are suggesting mv edgy-changes riddell-changes
[12:36] <Riddell> they'll love it when I rebuild KDE to change the .pot files to UTF 8 then :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:36] <Hobbsee> all of it?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> holy cow, not again.....
[12:36] <Riddell> actually it's only a few modules that use non-asii characters so doesn't need to be all of it
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ah, okay then...
[12:37] <Hobbsee> not quite so bad
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: any news concerning the translations problems ?
[12:55] <Tonio_> my edgy is still half english/french
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> During dapper development I was subscribed to a mailing list, that showed all the changes in the dapper-repos - can't find it - what is the best way to have something similar for edgy
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> ?
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I fixed that earlier this week, but it'll need to be imported into rosetta (should happen automatically) and exported into language packs before you'll notice
[12:56] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: edgy-changes
[12:56] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes ?
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> ah that is
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> yes
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[01:04] <imbrandon> heh
[01:04] <Jucato> :)
[01:06] <imbrandon> Riddell: do you know how much sladen charges for a virtual server ( on 19inch )
[01:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: name a price
[01:07] <imbrandon> oh really, wow
[01:19] <imbrandon> beta freeze tomarrow ?
[01:19] <sebas> Riddell: Which uuid changes were you refering to (re: mountconfig)?
[01:20] <Riddell> sebas: cat /proc/mounts
[01:20] <Riddell> /dev/disk/by-uuid/afc02639-661e-479d-a5cc-6d584e939095 /home ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
[01:20] <Riddell> /dev/disk/by-uuid/902f2966-e8c7-4769-978f-7eb817393cb9 /media/hda4 ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
[01:20] <sebas> I can't easily tell since I'm on Dapper, and I won't upgrade my notebook to edgy, so it'll have to wait until after akademy.
[01:20] <Riddell> sebas: I'll show you at akademy, I don't really understand what it does (other than it's preparing for libata)
[01:21] <Riddell> but it confuses mountconfig
[01:21] <sebas> I can imagine.
[01:21] <sebas> It doesn't look like it's using libata for PATA devices, given it's still /media/hda4, not sda4.
[01:22] <imbrandon> hrm only my ext partitions are using uuid
[01:22] <imbrandon> ext3*
[01:22] <imbrandon> resierfs on the same drive doesnt
[01:22] <sebas> Sounds buggy.
[01:22] <imbrandon> ( sda )
[01:23] <sebas> That's SATA?
[01:23] <imbrandon> yea
[01:23] <sebas> When is edgy release?
[01:23] <sebas> And when is freeze-freeze?
[01:23] <imbrandon> 26th, beta freeze tomarrow
[01:23] <imbrandon> feature freeze past
[01:23] <sebas> Aye.
[01:24] <sebas> Jup, that I knew.
[01:24] <imbrandon> yea see
[01:24] <sebas> Powermanager still doesn't know about idle times, and from the code I've read in kscreensaver, it's non-trivial to do in python.
[01:24] <imbrandon> here is my sata mounts ( all on one sata drive /media/windows is a PATA drive )
[01:24] <imbrandon> http://pastebin.ca/177343
[01:24] <sebas> thx
[01:25] <sebas> mountconfig should be relatively easy to fix though.
[01:25] <imbrandon> dunno why some are normal and some by uuid on the same drive, the only thing i can see is my / is reiser and /boot is ext3
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks for the info
[01:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: which info?
[01:50] <kwwii_> Tonio_: have time to add a bunch of stuff to k-d-s later?
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the languages :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> sorry I'm long to respond today......
[02:01] <Riddell> ah yes :)
[02:01] <Tonio_> I crashed my web server trying to upgrade to edgy, so I'm not very available ;)
[02:01] <Tonio_> everything was going well all the day to I said "let's upgrade"
[02:01] <Tonio_> 150 GB datas to backup before reinstall....
[02:02] <Tonio_> okay let's continue the backup......
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ouch
[02:02] <Tm_T> hrrr
[02:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, migrating to lightttpd in 30 minutes, same for mysql uopgrade etc.......
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I felt invincible yesterday evening hehe ;)
[02:05] <Tonio_> I was wrong !
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehe.  clearly you have not taken murphy's law into account
[02:05] <Tonio_> I'll remember this :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: exactly ;)
[02:06] <Tonio_> okay let's go, I'll be back this evening ;)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: SHAME ON YOU FOR IGNORING MURPHY'S LAW!  :p
[02:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: do you have edit rights on the fridge?
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: eveyone ignores murphy's law :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you consider murphy's law, you stay at home and forget to live, since anything can happen anytime
[02:07] <Hobbsee> welll...yes and no
[02:07] <Tonio_> hehe, the point is I have to go search a new HDD...
[02:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I've been able to force reboot on recevery system, but I don't have enough space to backup....
[02:07] <Tonio_> shitty day :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:08] <Tonio_> s/recevery/recovery, sorry
[02:08] <Tonio_> 600 000 files haha :) that'll take a while
[02:08] <imbrandon> Riddell: yup
[02:08] <Hobbsee> hehe ouch
[02:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: any idea if I do?
[02:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: could you change the latest article "runs until next Tuesday" to say "runs until the following Saturday"
[02:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: and preferably change all the aKademy's to Akademy
[02:13] <imbrandon> sure
[02:13] <imbrandon> Riddell: i think you do too , i'll check after i edit that
[02:18] <imbrandon> Riddell: done
[02:23] <freeflying> Riddell: no install cd for ppc now?
[02:23] <Tm_T> hmmh
[02:23] <Tm_T> this is irritating
[02:23] <Tm_T> what to do packsge that doesn't install nor remove, it's just mess between
[02:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying: likely, did someone fix ruby?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> on ppc?
[02:24] <Riddell> freeflying: seems not, but there isn't one for ubuntu either so not my fault :)
[02:24] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ruby? which one?
[02:24] <imbrandon> freeflying: i used the ppc install cd ( knot 3 ) on release day
[02:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no
[02:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: hrm the ppc cd is what i used to test knot 3
[02:25] <Hobbsee> freeflying: whichever was stopping kubuntu-desktop being installable on knot 3
[02:25] <Hobbsee> s/knot 3/ppc/g
[02:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, knot 3 is fine.  freeflying was talking about the today's daily CD
[02:25] <freeflying> Hobbsee: i see, thanks
[02:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahhh
[02:26] <imbrandon> heh
[02:27] <imbrandon> Riddell: anything we need to crank out before freeze tomarrow?
[02:27] <imbrandon> ( that i can help with heheh )
[02:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: fancy building koffice 1.6 rc 1?
[02:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure
[02:29] <imbrandon> for kubuntu.org or the archive ?
[02:29] <Riddell> kubuntu.org
[02:29] <imbrandon> kk so dapper all 3 arches, sure thing
[02:29] <Riddell> but we need people to test it so we will be allowed to put in the final 1.6
[02:30] <Riddell> err, do you have the source?
[02:30] <imbrandon> not yet
[02:30] <Riddell> so how are you going to get started? :)
[02:30] <imbrandon> where is it svn ?
[02:30] <gnomefreak> im testing 1.6 as of right now from kubuntu.org if you make changes ill be glad to test it
[02:30] <imbrandon> heh i was opening a term and such ;)
[02:30] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:30] <Hobbsee> dapper or edgy?
[02:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: /msg;d
[02:30] <imbrandon> kk
[02:31] <gnomefreak> is there anyway you guys can make a webboard type app for kde
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: packages for dapper and edgy for three platforms would be lovely (or whatever you can manage)
[02:31] <imbrandon> sure
[02:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: build it on 1 platform on edgy first and make sure any new files are installed
[02:31] <imbrandon> i can do all3 for both
[02:31] <imbrandon> kk
[02:33] <imbrandon> Riddell: is the current /debian in that tarbal or use the one from kubuntu.org and modify ( if needed )
[02:33] <imbrandon> its wgetting now
[02:33] <Riddell> it shouldn't have a debian/ dir
[02:33] <Riddell> use the one from kubuntu.org
[02:33] <imbrandon> kk
[02:34] <Tm_T> meh, time to reinstall edgy to laptop, now I lost network too =)
[02:34] <imbrandon> gnomefreak: cool after its built and such i'll ping you
[02:34] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ty
[02:38] <Hobbsee> right, i'm not effected.  yay
[02:42] <imbrandon> ok edgy i386 build started ( as the test run ) , brb more soda
[02:47] <imbrandon> hehe Hobbsee your detmined to get me to use vim ;) /me will try to get used to it
[02:48] <Hobbsee> eh
[02:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i didnt force it back
[02:48] <imbrandon> hrm i might have
[02:48] <imbrandon> no biggie i need to learn it anyhow
[02:48] <imbrandon> plus it does handle dch -i better
[02:49] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yes, dont blame me for stuff i didnt do :P
[02:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:01] <imbrandon> ...
[03:03] <JohnFlux> Riddell: i thought of a simple solution btw
[03:03] <JohnFlux> Riddell: for the amarok thing
[03:03] <JohnFlux> Riddell: real simple ;-)
[03:03] <Riddell> JohnFlux: oh?
[03:03] <JohnFlux> change all the   "kdialog..."  to "kstart --ontop kdialog ...."
[03:03] <Riddell> you're a genius
[03:04] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, want me to fix that , or you already ontop of it ?
[03:07] <JohnFlux> Riddell: kstart --help   has lots of options that might be worth playing with
[03:09] <Riddell> testing out the current script I don't have a problem with windows appearing under amarok, they all appear on top
[03:10] <Riddell> but we should tell the user that something is happening during apt-get update, that's quite unnerving
[03:11] <JohnFlux> Riddell: i think it would be fine to have the dialogs ontop
[03:11] <Riddell> JohnFlux: for me they already are
[03:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: let me try it, I want to look at telling the user apt-get update is happening too
[03:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, okies
[03:13] <imbrandon> brb rebooting the server that houses my irc ;(
[03:18] <imbrandon> welp there went my 32 days uptime on the dapper server heh
[03:26] <JohnFlux> Riddell: btw, i think the defaults for vim should be for niceness rather than compatibility
[03:26] <JohnFlux> Riddell: e.g. turn on syntax highlighting etc
[03:26] <JohnFlux> Riddell: i don't know why the default is to prefer vi compatibility
[03:27] <Riddell> JohnFlux: that's not my area (not a vim user), although I know that vim was replaced with vim-tiny recently to save space
[03:28] <JohnFlux> lol
[03:28] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: doh, one problem i just ran into was that i didn't have pkg-config  installed
[03:32] <JohnFlux> Riddell: any chance that build-essential could also include this?
[03:32] <Riddell> JohnFlux: no, build-essential is very restricted
[03:33] <JohnFlux> grr
[03:33] <JohnFlux> there's needs to be a build-useufl
[03:33] <JohnFlux> there's needs to be a build-useful
[03:33] <JohnFlux> with automake, pkg-config  etc
[03:33] <JohnFlux> i always forget most of the packages that I need
[03:34] <Riddell> JohnFlux: apt-get build-dep kdelibs4-dev
[03:36] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hey, that's really neat
[03:36] <JohnFlux> Riddell: does that work in debian as well?
[03:37] <imbrandon> JohnFlux: should
[03:38] <JohnFlux> that's cool
[03:39] <JohnFlux> i added it to the build instructions for kde
[03:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:42] <Riddell> JohnFlux: kstart seems to make kdialogue run in the background, which makes it unusable in the script
[03:42] <JohnFlux> Riddell: oh doh
[03:43] <Hobbsee> heya
[03:44] <JohnFlux> Riddell: thats...  annoyin
[03:44] <danimo> Riddell: this is totally weired: I can't lauch amarok, konversation and knm via Alt+F2
[03:44] <danimo> Riddell: it opens a konsole session instead and I don
[03:44] <danimo> 't see why
[03:44] <Hobbsee> danimo: is it set to run in a terminal from the kmenu optoin?
[03:45] <imbrandon> danimo: check your options for alt+f2
[03:46] <danimo> Hobbsee, imbrandon: tried both, nothin
[03:46] <danimo> can you reproduce it?
[03:46] <imbrandon> nope just tried, acts as normal
[03:46] <danimo> odd
[03:46] <imbrandon> all but knm ( dont have that installed )
[03:46] <imbrandon> but konvo and amarok are ok
[03:47] <danimo> it works via kdeinit_wrapper, too
[03:47] <danimo> really odd
[03:47] <danimo> ahhhh
[03:47] <danimo> it stores the settings per application
[03:47] <danimo> (in alt+f2 menu)
[03:47] <imbrandon> right
[03:54] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:54] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i swear my system likes being tempramental.  and my X likes being broken.
[03:54] <imbrandon> heh
[03:54] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[03:54] <Hobbsee> yay
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yeah well, i wouldnt
[03:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: seems the pt_BR doc translations are broken in 1.6 rc1, you may need to patch that or ask CryilleB in #koffice to ping you when he has a fix
[03:57] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok
[03:57] <imbrandon> its still building atm
[03:57] <Riddell> yes, it takes a while :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> er, has anyone had trouble recently with g-p-m not startign up?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> right...
[04:02] <Jucato_> well, maybe it got hurt because we were always complaining :P
[04:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's moved to a new package which will be stuck in NEW
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right....
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when was that getting pushed thru?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any way to call it in the interim time?
[04:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whenever an archive maintainer gets round to it
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: infinity gone to bed yet?  :P
[04:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you'd need to build from source yourself
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it's only midnight
[04:04] <imbrandon> ohh yea i needed to poke infinity anyhow about amarok , shiznit
[04:04] <Riddell> imbrandon: why amarok?
[04:04] <imbrandon> Riddell: becosue the backport ate the binarys
[04:04] <Riddell> yum
[04:04] <imbrandon> and he can recover them now that its fixed
[04:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hehe, very yum
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh no.....
[04:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: is that an old /admin dir in koffice ?
[04:09] <Jucato> um.. libvisual-0.4-plugins is not in dapper-backports or in the amarok-143 kubuntu.org repository, but it's in the amarok-142 repository
[04:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: it coudlent find configure , so i tried to run make -f Makefile.cvs ( that normaly would fix it ) but it compalins that it needs autoconf 2.53 or newer and 2.6 is installed
[04:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: what?
[04:10] <imbrandon> i probably forgot to backport them Jucato
[04:10] <Riddell> oh koffice
[04:10] <Jucato> ah ok. that explains it. :)
[04:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's very broken
[04:10] <imbrandon> chmod: cannot access `/tmp/buildd/koffice-1.5.92/./configure': No such file or directory
[04:10] <imbrandon> so i tried to make -f Makefile.cvs
[04:10] <imbrandon> to create it
[04:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: you need http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff then
[04:11] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: the libvisuals should be in backports, I think
[04:11] <imbrandon> Riddell: k
[04:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: and tell the koffice devs to use the current admin directory
[04:11] <Jucato_> jdong|laptop: should be, unless soyuz messed up again
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cant seem to see the package sitting in NEW at all
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i may well have missed it
[04:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: run make -f debian/rules buildprep  then remake the .orig tar (without the debian directory)
[04:11] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: they got there from last time....
[04:11] <Jucato_> jdong|laptop: well it's not there anymore :)
[04:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I don't think we get to see the binary NEW queue
[04:12] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: yeah, I see that now
[04:12] <imbrandon> jdong|laptop: libvisual-0.4-0 and libvisual-0.4-plugins are diffrent source packages , they need to be backported seperate
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh okay
[04:12] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: yeah, just saw that
[04:12] <imbrandon> and no soyuz is fixed now
[04:13] <imbrandon> jdong|laptop: can you do that backport while i finish playing with koffice
[04:13] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: I'm on it
[04:13] <imbrandon> thanks
[04:13] <danimo> hmm, where does kubuntu set the locale?
[04:13] <Riddell> seaLne: any plans to package qt4 ruby bindings?  a conflict on qt3 bindings is as good a solution as any for now
[04:14] <danimo> (on the console)
[04:14] <imbrandon> danimo: export LC_LANG=C
[04:14] <imbrandon> i think will do it
[04:15] <danimo> imbrandon: well, yes, but where is it supposed to be set?
[04:15] <imbrandon> dunno lol
[04:15] <Riddell> danimo: you need to run gen-locale to generate the locale or export LANG=C to not use one
[04:15] <danimo> Riddell: I want to use one
[04:19] <seaLne> Riddell: rdale had talked about coming up with a solution and i've been playing about with packaging it so i do plan to have something before universe freeze
[04:20] <Riddell> seaLne: lovely
[04:20] <seaLne> are there problems with python and qt stuff currently?
[04:20] <seaLne> just tried to update a machine that hadn't been updated for a week or so
[04:21] <andrunko> Riddell: you there now?
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> grr, flashplugin backport doesn't work
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> damn it
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> then... wtf did I test it on
[04:22] <jdong|laptop> GASP
[04:22] <Hobbsee> you didnt?  *g*
[04:22] <andrunko> Riddell: i would like to ask you a favor, or some kde package guru here
[04:23] <andrunko> i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue
[04:23] <Hobbsee> haha, oops
[04:23] <Jucato> yes broken
[04:24] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: bug 61444
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61444 in flashplugin-nonfree "I am having problems to install this new package of flashplugin-nonfree" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61444
[04:24] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: yeah, see the part about pointing and laughing at me
[04:24] <jdong|laptop> while I rename some directories
[04:24] <Riddell> andrunko: hi
[04:24] <Riddell> seaLne: shouldn't be
[04:24] <andrunko> Riddell: hi
[04:24] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: can you mark that as dupe of bug 61404?
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61404 in dapper-backports "Flashplugin-nonfree in backports fails to install" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61404
[04:25] <andrunko> Riddell: i packaged telepathy-qt and dholbach wants someone to review it before going to build queue
[04:25] <Riddell> andrunko: sure
[04:25] <andrunko> Riddell: could you do it please?
[04:25] <andrunko> nice
[04:25] <Riddell> andrunko: where do I get it?
[04:25] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: how about a duplicate of but 52237?
[04:25] <jdong|laptop> bug 52237
[04:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52237 in flashplugin-nonfree ""installation failed" error while dist upgrading." [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52237
[04:25] <Jucato> er.. hm...
[04:26] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: no, not the same bug
[04:26] <andrunko> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/telepathy-qt/ubuntu
[04:26] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: the point is, both dapper AND dapper-backports flashplugin are broken
[04:27] <andrunko> Riddell: this is just the debian dir, the code can be found at https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt (svn)
[04:27] <Jucato> rawr...
[04:27] <andrunko> Riddell: and thank you in advance
[04:27] <Riddell> andrunko: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt ?
[04:28] <andrunko> yep
[04:28] <danimo> what's telepathy-qt?
[04:29] <Riddell> andrunko: telepathy-qt isn't released yet right?
[04:29] <andrunko> Riddell: no, but i can do it if needed
[04:30] <andrunko> Riddell: the package is not generating shlibs depends correctly, it would be nice if you could find what is missing
[04:30] <Riddell> andrunko: no that's fine
[04:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[04:32] <imbrandon> Tonio_: pong
[04:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we should backport proftpd to dapper
[04:33] <Tonio_> the current version missed mysql support
[04:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: here is the bug
[04:33] <imbrandon> does build in a clean dapperchroot with no changes?
[04:33] <imbrandon> if so it should be fine
[04:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes
[04:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: bug 59359
[04:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59359 in proftpd "proftpd-mysql-1.2.10-27ubuntu3 has stopped authenticating with mysql" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59359
[04:34] <imbrandon> ok i'll file it here in a few minutes
[04:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I have set a proftpd with mysql and I had to backport the edgy version to get it to work
[04:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks ;)
[04:35] <seaLne> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLDqIf81.html
[04:36] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: do you want me to mark all duplicate reports as a duplicate of 61404?
[04:37] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: yeah, if they're the same problem
[04:37] <imbrandon> Riddell: ok wth i'm i missing here, i applied the patch ( even tried with a fresh /admin dir ) http://pastebin.ca/177559
[04:37] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: heh, so far I'm seeing 3 reports, excluding yours
[04:37] <Riddell> seaLne: looks very broken
[04:38] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: make that 4...
[04:38] <seaLne> yeah which seems strange that its only that machine
[04:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: guidance power manager has been splitted ?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: look like removed from my computer
[04:40] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: I've asked for the backport to be pulled, and I've marked upstream/dapper as affected
[04:40] <imbrandon> err Riddell i psted the wrong thing
[04:40] <Tonio_> but I still have the kde-guidance package
[04:40] <imbrandon> Riddell:  one sec
[04:40] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: should I change all the status from Confirmed to In Progress, too?
[04:41] <Riddell> seaLne: not really my area, you'll need to report a bug
[04:41] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: naw, marking them as dupes is enough
[04:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, it's not past NEW yet
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay :)
[04:41] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: ok. still hunting if there are other dupes left :P
[04:41] <andrunko> danimo: telepathy-qt is a qt binding for telepathy (http://telepathy.freedesktop.org)
[04:42] <Riddell> andrunko: your package looks like a work of perfection, have you done this before?
[04:42] <Riddell> andrunko: the shlibs dependecies work fine for me
[04:42] <andrunko> Riddell: hehe, you must be kidding
[04:43] <andrunko> Riddell: i did some packages before, but never with cmake dependency
[04:43] <Riddell> andrunko: only problem is the qmake/qmake-qt4 issue, I'm fixing cmake to look for qmake-qt4 first so you will need to build-dep on cmake (>= 2.4.3-1ubuntu1)
[04:43] <andrunko> ah great
[04:43] <Riddell> andrunko: want me to upload your package then?
[04:43] <andrunko> yeah, i had to update-alternatives cmake
[04:44] <andrunko> Riddell: if you could, it would be great
[04:45] <danimo> andrunko: interesting to hear about this
[04:45] <danimo> andrunko: is this qt 4 or qt 3?
[04:45] <andrunko> qt4
[04:46] <danimo> andrunko: possible candidate for kdepim integration then, no?
[04:46] <andrunko> danimo: you would really like what we are doing now, tapioca-qt on top of telepathy-qt, there is some work done already on tapioca svn
[04:46] <andrunko> the same place of telepathy-qt
[04:46] <andrunko> decibel is going to use it
[04:46] <danimo> what is tapioca?
[04:46] <danimo> ah
[04:46] <andrunko> tapioca is a bunch of convenience libraries on top of telepathy
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Tapioca is a type of pudding :)
[04:47] <andrunko> we developed some telepathy bindings directly, telepathy-qt telepathy-sharp and now we are building tapioca-sharp and tapioca-qt
[04:47] <andrunko> and for sure we will do tapioca-glib also
[04:47] <andrunko> Hawkwind: hehe, yes it is
[04:47] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: I can't mark bug 61349 as a duplicate because "There are other bugs already marked as duplicates of Bug 61349."
[04:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61349 in flashplugin-nonfree "postinst error: update-rc.d uses nonexistent `multiuser' setting" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61349
[04:47] <dholbach> hey
[04:48] <imbrandon> Riddell: whats the make target to reverse the pacthes with cdbs
[04:48] <andrunko> dholbach: hey
[04:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: touch debian/stamp-patched; make -f debian/rules reverse-patches
[04:48] <Riddell> I think
[04:48] <imbrandon> k
[04:48] <dholbach> Riddell: I got this:
[04:48] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ lintian /var/cache/pbuilder/result/libtelepathy-qt0_0.1.0~svn20060918-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:48] <dholbach> el: libtelepathy-qt0: no-shlibs-control-file usr/lib/libQtTelepathy.so
[04:48] <dholbach> ...
[04:49] <el> dholbach, ?
[04:49] <dholbach> el: sorry - that must have been stupid autocompletion
[04:49] <el> huhu, mr neigbour :)
[04:49] <dholbach> hi el!
[04:49] <dholbach> el: YOU ROCK! :-)
[04:49] <el> wohooo :)
[04:49] <dholbach> "E :" -> "el:"
[04:50] <Riddell> dholbach: hmm, it looks unversioned
[04:50] <Riddell> andrunko: is the library unversioned?
[04:50] <seaLne> is there a really hacky, nasty way to very remove a package?
[04:51] <dholbach> Riddell: apart from that I agree: the packaging is good
[04:51] <imbrandon> rm -rf
[04:51] <Jucato> heh
[04:51] <seaLne> that wouldn't convice apt
[04:51] <andrunko> Riddell: yep :(. i didn't know how to version it using cmake, i am a newbie with cmake
[04:51] <dholbach> seaLne:   sudo dpkg -P  ?
[04:51] <andrunko> Riddell: if you know how to do it, i can change on tapioca svn directly
[04:52] <seaLne> "Package is in a vry bad inconsistent state" is not a good error
[04:53] <mornfall> el: poke?
[04:54] <el> huhu mornfall !
[04:54] <el> how are you?
[04:54] <danimo> heya el!
[04:54] <el> hey ho danimo :)
[04:54] <mornfall> could be worse :)
[04:54] <mornfall> el: could you maybe join #ekhis for a bit? :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:55] <el> ;-)
[04:56] <seaLne> changelog for new python-defaults sound hopefully relevant
[04:56] <andrunko> Riddell: dholbach i got go lunch, will be back in a hour, or 2 or 3 :)
[04:56] <dholbach> andrunko: see you
[04:57] <andrunko> laters
[04:57] <el> dholbach, we might go for a quick dinner later?
[04:58] <dholbach> el: when did you plan to for dinner?
[04:58] <n8k99> hello everybody
[04:58] <el> dholbach, don't know > 7/8. need to go back to the office afterwards
[04:58] <dholbach> 8 would be nice - need to go back to work afterwards too
[04:59] <dholbach> or I just work from your place ;-)
[04:59] <el> hehe, you're welcome :)
[05:00] <dholbach> nice ;-)
[05:02] <nixternal> gooooooood mornin' kubuntu`estos
[05:03] <imbrandon> lo nix
[05:03] <dholbach> el: thanks a lot
[05:03] <n8k99> anybody else missing sound in edgy on ppc?
[05:03] <Jucato> moin nixternal
[05:03] <el> dholbach, then let's speak later when + where to meet
[05:04] <nixternal> kwwii_ & Riddell -- ping-a-ling-a-ding-dong
[05:04] <imbrandon> n8k99: seems to wok on my lappy fine but i havent tested it /today/
[05:04] <dholbach> el: sure
[05:04] <kwwii_> nixternal: hi
[05:04] <n8k99> imbrandon: i get the startup chirp when i log in but that's the last i hear of it
[05:04] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/Edgy
[05:04] <nixternal> all the way down kwwii_
[05:04] <kwwii_> n8k99: my soind does not work either
[05:04] <nixternal> how are you doing by the way ;)
[05:05] <Jucato> heh, someone's extremely happy today :P
[05:05] <Riddell> nixternal: hi
[05:05] <nixternal> Kubuntu stylesheets - The stylesheets need to be altered to remove KDE logos....<- plan on replacing these with Kubuntu logos?
[05:05] <el> hey kwwii_ :)
[05:05] <nixternal> hiya Riddell ;)
[05:05] <n8k99> is there a bug report open about this?
[05:06] <Riddell> nixternal: only for kubuntu docs
[05:06] <kwwii_> hih el
[05:06] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: I can't be around much today, unfortunately
[05:06] <nixternal> aka, Release Notes, About Kubuntu, and Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[05:06] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: can you keep poking ubuntu-archive about pulling flashplugin?
[05:06] <kwwii_> nixternal: hehe, that is some fun work, let me tell you
[05:06] <imbrandon> jdong|laptop: sure, and if he is subscribed he will get to it, but sure
[05:07] <nixternal> actually, could be easy depending on how we go about it ;)
[05:07] <Jucato> kwwii_: try not to be in bed half naked with aseigo again. think of the children :P
[05:07] <nixternal> all i need it either the 3 images to replace the current, of the images to replace the Konqi and KDE logos
[05:07] <nixternal> i can add them to svn, and the make file will copy them to a dir for me
[05:07] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: hey, crimsun uploaded a new flashplugin
[05:07] <jdong|laptop> imbrandon: so we'll just backport that
[05:08] <Hobbsee> just test it properly this time, dammit :P
[05:08] <kwwii_> Jucato: how do you think new kde dev's are made?
[05:08] <kwwii_> :p
[05:08] <Jucato> lol
[05:08] <imbrandon> i'm sure he planed on it ( he is a backporter too ) after its been tested
[05:09] <imbrandon> kwwii_: definately not half nekkid, all the way FTW ;)
[05:09] <nixternal> Riddell: is there a specific design you are after for these pages?  if so, who is going to do them?  and is it possible to have them by say....yesterday ? :)
[05:09] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:09] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: done marking 8 duplicates. any workaround available until the fix is released (for those who will be asking about it)?
[05:10] <Riddell> nixternal: artwork is kwwii_'s department
[05:10] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree/dapper
[05:10] <nixternal> roger that
[05:10] <danimo> someone broke the multimedia packages badly
[05:10] <kwwii_> nixternal: we can take a look at it and see what can be doine quickly/easily
[05:11] <danimo> mplayer won't start due to a broken library dep, kaffeine and amarok act up sometimes
[05:11] <kwwii_> nixternal: is this stuff directy in the kde help center?
[05:11] <nixternal> it is the top image and bottom image in the docs
[05:11] <jdong|laptop> danimo: known issue
[05:11] <nixternal> yes kwwii_
[05:11] <kwwii_> ouch
[05:11] <imbrandon> danimo: known , being worked on
[05:11] <nixternal> look at Release Notes
[05:11] <danimo> imbrandon: which of the two?
[05:11] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: thanks! I'll spread the word (hopefully to avoid other "hacks"). ETA for the fix?
[05:11] <imbrandon> danimo: all of the above
[05:11] <danimo> imbrandon: ok, great
[05:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:11] <jdong|laptop> Jucato: as soon as ubuntu-archive does the backport
[05:11] <kwwii_> nixternal: if we are going to touch the help center, then we should do the about pages too :p
[05:12] <fdoving> how does guidance-power-manager figure out if a system is a laptop or not?
[05:12] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: most likely though hal
[05:12] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: lshal | grep formfactor
[05:12] <imbrandon> laptopdetect ?
[05:12] <nixternal> kwwii_: About, Releasenotes, and Desktop guide
[05:12] <Jucato> jdong|laptop: great! thanks
[05:12] <fdoving>   system.formfactor = 'unknown'  (string)
[05:12] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: laptopdetect; echo $?
[05:13] <jdong|laptop> actually
[05:13] <jdong|laptop> that doesn't work
[05:13] <jdong|laptop> hehe
[05:13] <fdoving> 0
[05:13] <fdoving> laptop-detect works.
[05:13] <kwwii_> nixternal: now if we only had the files made to make those pics, we could get it done a lot quicker
[05:13] <jdong|laptop> fdoving:  sudo hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.formfactor --string laptop
[05:14] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: that'll force you to own a laptop :P
[05:14] <kwwii_> imbrandon: did you ever find the original files for the about pic (top right)?
[05:14] <fdoving> jdong|laptop: ok, but this is a regression in edgy. how is this set and when? it worked like 2 days ago.
[05:14] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: just shove that in an init script after hal and call it a day? ;-)
[05:14] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: hal
[05:14] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: there was a bug report about this
[05:14] <nixternal> kwwii_: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common/    <- the images are copied from here
[05:14] <fdoving> ok. good.
[05:14] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: pitti uploaded two patches, the latter one must not work for you then
[05:15] <kwwii_> nixternal: no, I meant the gimp files or whatever that were used to make those pics
[05:15] <fdoving> then i won't do anything and expect it to be fixed :)
[05:15] <nixternal> ahhh
[05:15] <imbrandon> kwwii_: they are on kde svn , umm Riddell  gave me the exact location i'll have to check
[05:15] <kwwii_> otherwise, we can pretty much start making a new design
[05:15] <fdoving> jdong|laptop: thanks for your time.
[05:15] <jdong|laptop> np
[05:16] <jdong|laptop> fdoving: bug 59342
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59342 in hal "hal don't find that I'm on a laptop" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59342
[05:16] <fdoving> thanks.
[05:16] <danimo> oh, and kio only sees half of my /
[05:16] <danimo> and I can't really tell whyx
[05:16] <danimo> -x
[05:17] <fdoving> i'll have to go cook dinner before the girls get home. later.
[05:17] <imbrandon> kio ? like konqi ?
[05:17] <Riddell> danimo: that's the _Sime_ patches
[05:17] <nixternal> brb
[05:17] <nixternal> reboot
[05:17] <imbrandon> danimo: check the contents of /.hidden
[05:17] <Jucato> hm...
[05:18] <Jucato> imbrandon: this is the new system one of the KDE devs blogged about?
[05:18] <danimo> imbrandon: wtf?
[05:19] <danimo> imbrandon: who cooked that up?
[05:19] <imbrandon> Jucato: yes _Sime_
[05:19] <Riddell> andrunko: looking at the strigi source it sets a version number with SET(CPACK_PACKAGE_VERSION_MAJOR "0")
[05:19] <Jucato> aaah
[05:19] <imbrandon> danimo: _Sime_ does the coding , me and Tonio_  and Riddell  put it in
[05:19] <Jucato> imbrandon: lol I didn't associate _Sime_ with the kdeveloper blog :P
[05:19] <imbrandon> Jucato: simon edwards == _Sime_
[05:20] <Jucato> aaaaah
[05:20] <Riddell> andrunko: and two other lines, but adding those doesn't seem to change the .so to be versioned so I must be missing something
[05:20] <Riddell> andrunko: this should be fixed before we upload though, try asking on #cmake
[05:20] <danimo> imbrandon: why did you decide it was a good idea to hide the folders?
[05:21] <danimo> imbrandon: it causes problems, e.g. I can't point apollon to the gift installation anymore without using the keyboard
[05:21] <imbrandon> danimo: becouse the normal every day joe dosent need to see them, they are still accessable ( and you can turn on show hidden in konqui )
[05:21] <danimo> (and typing the path)
[05:21] <danimo> imbrandon: isn't defaulting to $HOME enough? :}
[05:21] <imbrandon> not really
[05:22] <Jucato> danimo: you can still type the path like /usr/...
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh
[05:22] <danimo> Jucato: sure, but it's non-obvious
[05:22] <Riddell> danimo: see http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2231  it's still all experimental
[05:22] <imbrandon> danimo: feel free to edit the /.hidden to your liking also ;)
[05:22] <imbrandon> and submit patches/sugestions
[05:22] <danimo> imbrandon: well, _I_ can...
[05:22] <Jucato> rawr Riddell beat me to the blog link :P
[05:23] <imbrandon> danimo: and anyone that needs to get to files not in /home or /media can too, thats the point
[05:23] <danimo> hmmm
[05:23] <danimo> hmmmm
[05:24] <Jucato> more m's coming? :)
[05:24] <Jucato> wb Hawkwind
[05:24] <imbrandon> but it is still an experiment, you should read the blogpost ;)
[05:24] <danimo> yes
[05:24] <danimo> I just did
[05:24] <imbrandon> and /KubuntuKDEMedia on the wiki
[05:25] <danimo> imbrandon: well, the thing is that I was about to panik and run a fsck on my / partition
[05:25] <Jucato> I read that post before I even knew about Edgy and Sime... I was actually surprised to know that we'd be implementin it first :)
[05:25] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[05:25] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Thanks :)
[05:26] <imbrandon> danimo: heh well you are not everyday joe though ;) ( and if you was gonan do that you would have been at the command line where its vissible ) but FYI gnome and osx both do it this way
[05:26] <Riddell> gnome doesn't
[05:26] <danimo> imbrandon: it's not about me being everyday joe
[05:26] <danimo> imbrandon: my concern is this: You argue: Apple does this, and therefore it must be a good thing. You further argument that the normal user doesn't need to know about the unix hirachy
[05:26] <Jucato> maybe we need to properly inform people, in a very prominent way, about the "big" changes in Edgy, like the PATA stuff and this.
[05:27] <imbrandon> Riddell: gnome honorus the .hidden , open up gnome file chooser
[05:27] <danimo> imbrandon: I would agree to that BUT
[05:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: but it doesn't have one by defaut
[05:27] <imbrandon> Riddell: right
[05:27] <danimo> imbrandon: the comparison is a bit problematic. On OS X, the unix personality is almost completely abstract from the applications
[05:27] <imbrandon> well ubuntu dosent but its /in/ gnome for the use if wanted
[05:28] <danimo> imbrandon: that is: you don't need to know about unix if you want to use OS X
[05:28] <imbrandon> danimo: and one of kubuntu's goals is you dont need to know linux to use kubuntu ;)
[05:28] <Riddell> danimo: we want the same for KDE :)
[05:28] <danimo> imbrandon: on the other hand on linux applications sometimes require everyday joe to access unix dirs
[05:28] <Jucato> probably the user doesn't need to initially and immediately know about the Linux FHS. but in the long run, when he's prepared, he'll know where to look
[05:28] <imbrandon> danimo: give me a use case? ( non developer )
[05:29] <danimo> imbrandon: so those places need to be fixed, too, and that concerns every 3rd party KDE app kubuntu ships
[05:29] <danimo> imbrandon: as I said: apollon
[05:29] <Jucato> there are programs run by the regular user that needs access to root directories?
[05:29] <danimo> imbrandon: and that's just the first thing I fell over, being a CLI user for many things
[05:29] <imbrandon> looks like apollon needs to be fixed not to require non-gui editing
[05:29] <danimo> imbrandon: note that I am not argumenting against the idea
[05:30] <danimo> imbrandon: right
[05:30] <danimo> imbrandon: but hiding directories and not fixing all apps doesn't improve things
[05:30] <danimo> imbrandon: you could argue the amount of cases where this is tragic is neglectable
[05:30] <danimo> but I'd be careful about it
[05:30] <imbrandon> danimo: i havent found any that require that other than the one you just stated
[05:31] <imbrandon> right
[05:31] <imbrandon> yea i'm not trying to argue either pre se, its good to get it all out in the open to get things "right"
[05:31] <imbrandon> but i think alot of what you are seeing is an old time linux user ( like you or me ) and not a newcomer
[05:33] <danimo> imbrandon: it needs to be added to the development guidelines
[05:33] <danimo> who do I bug to register another mime type by default in kubuntu?
[05:34] <imbrandon> danimo: definately , thus this is the testing grounds for that to see /what/ exactly needs to be added
[05:34] <danimo> (actually, it should be shipped with kaffeine I guess)
[05:34] <Riddell> danimo: which mimetype?
[05:34] <danimo> Riddell: Riddell .m2t, MPEG transport stream
[05:35] <danimo> Riddell: DVB streams as stored by kaffeine
[05:35] <danimo> well, DVB streams in general
[05:35] <Riddell> danimo: we've had mimetypes that can be handled by both kaffeine and kmplayer before in which case it should be kdelibs
[05:35] <imbrandon> food time, danimo can we chat more about this later , i'm definately interested and plan to spec a few things out for mt view about it ( and useability overall )
[05:35] <Riddell> but I think only kaffeine does DVB so that should be added there
[05:35] <danimo> imbrandon: ok
[05:36] <Riddell> danimo: can you check if kmplayer can read it?
[05:36] <danimo> el: what's your opinion on that
[05:36] <imbrandon> danimo: but in short no its not perfect but its a testing ground, hey its /edgy/ hehe
[05:36] <danimo> Riddell: nope, mplayer has a broken library dep
[05:36] <Riddell> danimo: mplayer or kmplayer?
[05:36] <danimo> imbrandon: oh, true :)
[05:36] <danimo> Riddell: oh I forgot that kmplayer uses xine
[05:37] <danimo> Riddell: but yes, kmplayer supports it, too
[05:37] <danimo> because it's a xine feature
[05:39] <Riddell> danimo: so it should be added to kdelibs
[05:39] <danimo> yes
[05:39] <Riddell> danimo: in which case you know where SVN is for KDE 3.5.5 :)
[05:43] <kwwii_> so who wants add things to k-d-s? (amarok background update, metabar background and css, all new window deco buttons, a new window deco gradient overlay, a new color scheme, a new wallpaper for desktop and ksplash, and some stuff with the window deco that I do not know how to do)
[05:43] <kwwii_> don't everyone scream at once
[05:45] <imbrandon> kwwii_: if no one does it by the time i'm done eating i will .... got a mouth full of sushi atm lol ;)
[05:45] <Jucato> ooh sushi!
[05:45] <Jucato> hm... sushi ang mt.dew?
[05:45] <kwwii_> imbrandon: cool :-) enjoy your lunch
[05:45] <kwwii_> sushi sounds good
[05:45] <Jucato> tastes even better :P
[05:46] <Jucato> kwwii_: we're going to have another color scheme change?
[05:47] <Riddell> kwwii_: I can do it this evening, but if imbrandon (or Tonio_ ) wants to do it first that's great
[05:48] <kwwii_> Jucato: the main difference is the color of the inactive window titlebar
[05:48] <Jucato> kwwii_: ah. i thought it would be another astounding, earth-shattering change :P
[05:48] <kwwii_> pink and green is next week
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:48] <Jucato> ooh green...
[05:49] <kwwii_> 7 years of green was enough for me, thanks
[05:49] <Jucato> kwwii_: SUSE?
[05:50] <Jucato> ok maybe not green, but something neutral :P
[05:50] <kwwii_> Jucato: hehe, no...SuSE :p
[05:50] <Jucato> lol
[05:51] <Jucato> haven't the changed the spelling already? something like OpenSUSE or openSUSE?? oh what the heck. Novell!
[05:51] <imbrandon> SuSE green is ugly but i think a darker forest green and some browns would be nice
[05:51] <kwwii_> SuSE is an acronym, so in a way, once can say that "SuSE" meant something once
[05:52] <kwwii_> Novell changed the u to U
[05:52] <Jucato> +1 to imbrandon's idea :)
[05:52] <imbrandon> Software- und System-Entwicklung
[05:53] <Jucato> ah Software and Systems Engineering
[05:53] <kwwii_> exactly, Die Gesellschaft fr Software und System Entwicklung mit beschrnkter Haftung
[05:53] <imbrandon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux
[05:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:54] <Jucato> lol, the search result from Google was a bit faster :P
[05:54] <Jucato> I'm loving the current edgy artwork... so tempted to transfer them into Dapper :P
[05:55] <imbrandon> nooo
[05:55] <imbrandon> thats like using oxgyen icons before kde4 .... errr
[05:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:55] <Jucato> lol
[05:56] <kwwii_> lol
[05:56] <imbrandon> mmm lemon wasabi
[05:56] <danimo> that's odd
[05:57] <danimo> java is enabled, yet the quicksettings plugin reports it as disabled
[05:57] <danimo> and it doesn't work properly either it seems
[05:57] <Jucato> danimo: gcj or sun java?
[05:57] <imbrandon> s/sun/imb ;)
[05:58] <imbrandon> ibm
[05:58] <danimo> Jucato: the working one of course
[05:58] <Jucato> heh
[05:58] <danimo> and it's sun, not ibm
[05:58] <imbrandon> sun no workie on ppc ;)
[05:58] <imbrandon> ibm java FTW
[05:59] <imbrandon> i'm sorry
[05:59] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:59] <Jucato> hm.. does running Edgy on VMWare affect how mouse scrolling works?
[05:59] <danimo> wow, FF 2 finally got a return button behind the location bar
[05:59] <Jucato> I think I need to really boot into and update Edgy tomorrow/later...
[05:59] <danimo> that's how long after konq had it? :)
[05:59] <imbrandon> Jucato: pobbibly
[06:01] <imbrandon> hrm
[06:01] <imbrandon> brb
[06:03] <Jucato> wb imbrandon
[06:05] <kwwii_> how does one reconfigure sound?
[06:06] <Tonio_> kwwii_: need an upload ?
[06:06] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I can find a few minutes to do this :)
[06:09] <kwwii_> Tonio_: here are the files: http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz
[06:10] <kwwii_> Tonio_: I might have to tell you what some of them are for
[06:10] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay :)
[06:10] <kwwii_> Tonio_: and there are settings in the window deco that we need to change
[06:11] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay I have the files and kds, let me have a look
[06:12] <Tonio_> kwwii_: concerning the folders, I can replace them
[06:12] <imbrandon>
[06:12] <Tonio_> kwwii_: what about the other ones ?
[06:12] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yeah, I just put them into the folders so you would havve some idea what it what
[06:13] <Tonio_> kwwii_: kwin-crystal ?
[06:13] <kwwii_> it is in that tar.gz too
[06:13] <kwwii_> the window deco
[06:13] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes but is that already in kds ?
[06:13] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yes, it is
[06:14] <kwwii_> erm, might be in kde itself, I guess
[06:14] <kwwii_> hehe
[06:14] <kwwii_> oops
[06:14] <Tonio_> yes I can see those files
[06:15] <kwwii_> we need to add the windowDecoOverlay file to k-d-s and set it as defualt for both active and inactive windows
[06:16] <kwwii_> and we need to change the colors of the outside and inside lines drawn on the titlebar
[06:18] <Tonio_> kwwii_: what about test3b.png
[06:18] <Tonio_> kwwii_: is that new background ?
[06:18] <kwwii_> Tonio_: hehe, yeah, sorry for leaving the stupid naming
[06:19] <kwwii_> and we need to add a scaled version to ksplash as well, I guess
[06:19] <kwwii_> I wanted to ask you about that
[06:19] <kwwii_> it is necessary to scale the pic to 1280x1024?
[06:22] <Tonio_> kwwii_: no need for me here
[06:22] <Tonio_> it is scaled as it is
[06:22] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I don't find the windeco buttons in kds......
[06:22] <Tonio_> I assume is it somewhere lese
[06:22] <Tonio_> else
[06:22] <kwwii_> Tonio_: they are not in kds, sorry
[06:22] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yep, that's another package....;
[06:23] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay so first kds, do I include the new background or not ?
[06:23] <Tonio_> what is this one for ?
[06:23] <kwwii_> Tonio_: it is a slight improvement on the blue-purple wallpaper
[06:23] <kwwii_> yes, we should include it
[06:23] <Tonio_> kwwii_: as wallpaper + ksplash background +.....
[06:23] <Tonio_> or just wallpaper ?
[06:24] <kwwii_> and we should put a version of it in ksplash as well
[06:24] <kwwii_> exactly
[06:24] <Tonio_> okay
[06:24] <kwwii_> both
[06:25] <Tonio_> kwwii_: it looks like Riddell's ksplash config doesn't require any background
[06:25] <Tonio_> it uses the kde one
[06:25] <kwwii_> cool, that is how it should be :-)
[06:25] <Tonio_> and kdm-theme is set to use the kde wallpaper too, so I just need to change the wallpaper
[06:25] <kwwii_> but it wasn't like that yet in knot2
[06:25] <Tonio_> let's go
[06:25] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes true
[06:25] <kwwii_> cool :-)
[06:27] <kwwii_> Tonio_: did you see the metabar background.png and the stylesheet.css? Oh, and in amarok, the only thing to really change is the background.png
[06:28] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I just copy pasted to replace the folder content
[06:29] <Tonio_> I'm building and testing, but I assume that will be okay :)
[06:29] <kwwii_> cool
[06:29] <Tonio_> kwwii_: next I'll do the kwin theme
[06:30] <kwwii_> Tonio_: cool, there is a bit more to that, I think :-)
[06:30] <imbrandon> uuencode hell ;)
[06:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ah ? what else ?
[06:31] <Tonio_> kwwii_: need improvement in the package ? cause I may not have time toonight.... tomorrow yes, but not today...
[06:31] <imbrandon> Tonio_: he means you will have to uuencode the other stuff ( not k-d-s )
[06:31] <kwwii_> Tonio_: well, the extra stuff with the window deco (setting the overlay, colors, etc.)
[06:32] <imbrandon> Tonio_: when you and kwwii_ get done , i'll work with him and finish what you dont have time for
[06:32] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ah.... the gradient is in kds but the buttons are uuencoded ?
[06:32] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, kds stiff is done
[06:32] <kwwii_> Tonio_: I guess that is how one would do it, yes
[06:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just the kwin-crystal package to do
[06:33] <kwwii_> Tonio_: as well as teh default settings for color, etc.
[06:33] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay the gradient is in kds here, I let imbrandon doing the buttons
[06:34] <kwwii_> cool, tag-team-packaging :-)
[06:34] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yeah I included that too, I just missed the kwin-crystal thing
[06:34] <imbrandon> heh
[06:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I let you finish that part :)
[06:34] <imbrandon> ok so you get everything but the kwin style done ?>
[06:34] <imbrandon> kwwii_: wheres the files for that i'll do the kwin style
[06:35] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/k-d-s-20060918.tar.gz
[06:35] <kwwii_> imbrandon: that is everything
[06:35] <imbrandon> kwwii_: kk
[06:36] <kwwii_> imbrandon: and on top of adding the buttons, we need to set a gradient as default for the overlay and add colors for the outline and inline of both the active and inactive windows
[06:36] <imbrandon> Tonio_: so the only thing i need to do is the kwin style correct ? ( just so we both dont try to do the same thing )
[06:36] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ok grbbing the source now
[06:36] <imbrandon> brabbing
[06:36] <imbrandon> grr
[06:36] <imbrandon> grabbing
[06:37] <Tonio_> kwwii_: uploaded
[06:38] <kwwii_> Tonio_: cool, thanks
[06:40] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:40] <imbrandon> heya
[06:40] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[06:42] <imbrandon> Riddell: can i uuencode a whole directory of images and make one patch ?
[06:43] <imbrandon> like i have the orig /kubuntu and the new /kubuntu so like "uuencode /kubuntu/*> blah.uu" and the same for the old and make a diff of the uu files ?
[06:44] <andrunko> Riddell, dholbach: just updated http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu and telepathy-qt svn to do library versioning. When you get some time, please try it? Ps. Updated version to 0.1.0~svn20060920
[06:44] <dholbach> andrunko: super - will look later on, I made a note
[06:45] <andrunko> nice
[06:48] <imbrandon> ahh got it, ok one sec kwwii_
[06:51] <kwwii_> imbrandon: cool
[06:59] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ok images updated in kwin style , running a test build to make sure i did the uuencode correct , but i'm sure that will go fine
[07:00] <imbrandon> what was the other changes for kwin style ?
[07:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: btw i'm still getting that koffice error on my ppc also , dunno whats up
[07:04] <kwwii_> imbrandon: we need to set a gradient as overlay, and change colors for the default outline and inline of the active and inactive windows
[07:05] <kwwii_> so one gradient, 4 colors
[07:05] <imbrandon> ok do you know what files its in ?
[07:07] <imbrandon> heya toma
[07:07] <toma> hey imbrandon
[07:07] <imbrandon> seen the pics of the new mail client , quite nice
[07:08] <imbrandon> got binarys ?
[07:08] <Jucato> *sigh* http://dot.kde.org/1158656080/
[07:08] <toma> imbrandon: neh, i'm not ready for them yet
[07:08] <imbrandon> toma: heh ok
[07:08] <toma> imbrandon: without setup or composer it's not really ready for an audience
[07:10] <kwwii_> imbrandon: no idea whatsoever
[07:20] <kwwii_> imbrandon: in kwincrystalrc
[07:21] <kwwii_> .kde/share/config/kwincrystalrc has it all
[07:22] <kwwii_> imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/kwincrystalrc has the colors...the path to the gradient needs to be adjusted of course
[07:26] <imbrandon> ahh ok so its in k-d-s
[07:26] <imbrandon> kk
[07:27] <imbrandon> kwwii_: 403 forbiden
[07:52] <kwwii_> imbrandon: shit, one second
[07:52] <kwwii_> sorry, I was talking to my wife
[07:53] <imbrandon> np i'm not in a rush
[07:53] <kwwii_> imbrandon: fixed
[07:54] <Kuhrscher> Hi, is there something like a "message freeze" for edgy eft?
[08:01] <imbrandon> kwwii_: is that just the changes, becouse thats a WHOLE lot shortere thans whats already there
[08:01] <imbrandon> shorter*
[08:02] <kwwii_> imbrandon: hehe...well, that is the file that is in my system after I changed things, no idea
[08:02] <imbrandon> kwwii_: here is the current one http://pastebin.ca/177789
[08:02] <imbrandon> look that over make sure no other changes need to be made while i grab a soda
[08:02] <imbrandon> ok so i can replace whats there with yours ? e.g. the other stuff isnt needed ?
[08:05] <kwwii_> not sure....I would think not, but just in case, you could leave it there and simply add my values fro FrameColor2 InlineColors and point it to the right overlay gradient
[08:05] <danimo> imbrandon: btw: I forgot another reason for upgrading to X.org 7.1: the i810 driver performs better with Xgl
[08:06] <imbrandon> danimo: huh?
[08:06] <kwwii_> erm, better take all the stuff from mine, I guess...
[08:06] <danimo> imbrandon: why?
[08:06] <danimo> imbrandon: didn't we talk about i810 drivers the other day?
[08:06] <imbrandon> danimo: we are using 7.1 afaik
[08:06] <imbrandon> i dont think so
[08:07] <imbrandon> not you and me atleaste hehe
[08:07] <imbrandon> heh
[08:07] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ok
[08:07] <danimo> imbrandon: Version: 1:7.0.22ubuntu10
[08:07] <danimo> imbrandon: says apt
[08:07] <imbrandon> apt lies
[08:08] <danimo> imbrandon: how do you know you have 7.1?
[08:08] <danimo> hmm, indeed: X.Org version: 7.1.1
[08:08] <danimo> says xdpyinfo
[08:08] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~$ sudo X -version
[08:08] <imbrandon> X Window System Version 7.1.1
[08:08] <imbrandon> Release Date: 12 May 2006
[08:08] <imbrandon> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
[08:08] <danimo> why is apt lying then?
[08:09] <imbrandon> dunno something about the transition, you would have to ask the X gurus in #ubuntu-devel
[08:09] <imbrandon> i just know it does heheh
[08:10] <imbrandon> grrr
[08:11] <Goliath23> hi
[08:11] <Goliath23> I have a serious problem here: I have installed the latest k7 kernel image, using the linux-image-k7 meta package. but there doesn't seem to be a matching resticted-modules package for that kernel and I guess thats the root of real problem (nvidia kernel module isnt loaded) only If I manually specify the path to the .ko file and using insmod
[08:11] <imbrandon> Goliath23: edgy ?
[08:11] <Goliath23> no, I think I'm on dapper!
[08:12] <imbrandon> Goliath23: and this is really the wrong channel for that kinda question ;)
[08:12] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:12] <imbrandon> install linux-k7 not linux-image-k7
[08:12] <imbrandon> linux-k7 is the correct metapackage
[08:12] <Goliath23> oh, okay.
[08:13] <imbrandon> but just fyi #kubuntu is the better place to ask for support ;)
[08:13] <Goliath23> I'll try to fix it using adept.
[08:13] <imbrandon> Goliath23:
[08:13] <Goliath23> yes, I asked there a few minutes ago :)
[08:13] <imbrandon> Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line
[08:13] <imbrandon> Goliath23: none the less that is the correct place
[08:13] <Goliath23> sorry. but if it were a real problem i'd filed a bug report launchpad! :)
[08:13] <imbrandon> Goliath23: type " sudo apt-get install linux-k7 " at the command line
[08:13] <Goliath23> thanks!
[08:14] <imbrandon> np ;)
[08:14] <Goliath23> yup, but first' i'll clean up my self-generated kernel mess here :)
[08:14] <imbrandon> that should do it for you
[08:14] <imbrandon> no real need
[08:15] <Goliath23> yup I know. just like to have it clean :()
[08:15] <imbrandon> also note there is #ubuntu-kernel too ( we mostly just deal and know about the kde specific stuff in here )
[08:15] <Goliath23> oh okay, sorry about asking here, you're right of course!
[08:16] <imbrandon> no worries
[08:16] <imbrandon> just for future ref
[08:16] <imbrandon> its kinda slow atm anyhow in here
[08:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:17] <Goliath23> okay: kubuntu related question, just out of interest: is there a plan for adept to handle required user inputs (license accepting and so on) better in the future?
[08:17] <Goliath23> at the moment it just stops without notice and the user has to find out, that there is a "show details" button
[08:17] <imbrandon> Goliath23: yes thats being addressed, cant tell you /when/ it will be out but in short yes
[08:17] <Goliath23> ok :)
[08:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping
[08:24] <mornfall> yeah...
[08:25] <imbrandon> kwwii_: k-d-s uploaded ( kwincrystalrc ) , still working on kwin-style-crystal images
[08:25] <imbrandon> heya mornfall
[08:25] <mornfall> evening
[08:32] <imbrandon> (ignore /me being lazy ) kdebug 132851
[08:33] <imbrandon> (ignore /me being lazy ) kde #132851
[08:33] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 132851 in knetwork "KResolver raises assert KResolverWorkerBase::acquireResolver(): Assertion `th != 0L' failed" [Crash,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132851
[08:34] <kwwii_> imbrandon: cool, thanks man
[08:34] <imbrandon> np
[08:37] <Goliath23> imbrandon: I still think there is a majow problem here. I have linux-k7 installed. modprobe still fails to find the nvidia module. via insmod I can install it though. linux-k7 depends indirectly on the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel image ... but the linux-restricted-modules-k7 depends on the <IP_ADDRESS>!! restricted modules package.. isnt there a mismatch that might cause my problem?
[08:37] <Goliath23> major
[08:38] <Goliath23> well, I better ask in ubuntu-kernel!
[08:40] <kwwii_> imbrandon: did you see if Tonio_ already put the overlay gradient in k-d-s?
[08:41] <imbrandon> kwwii_: yea he did
[08:41] <kwwii_> khl
[08:41] <imbrandon> heh damn germans ( joking )
[08:42] <kwwii_> did you know that the german language was made as language to comman troops?
[08:42] <kwwii_> :p
[08:42] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:43] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Does it really make sense to check for translation problems using Knob3?
[08:44] <kwwii_> get this: i am babysitting my friends email account. he is on vacation where there is no internet so he calls me every couple of days and asks me if he has mail :-)
[08:44] <imbrandon> hahahahahah classic
[08:44] <Kuhrscher> Riddell: Almost everything seems to be broken ...
[08:47] <kwwii_> imbrandon: so what do you think of the gradient and the buttons?
[08:48] <Tonio_> kwwii_: i did put the overlay gradient
[08:49] <kwwii_> Tonio_: yeah, imbrandon said that too, just wanted to check :-)
[08:49] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe
[08:50] <kwwii_> Tonio_: it turns out that the window deco config changes are in k-d-s too
[08:51] <imbrandon> wb mdz
[08:52] <imbrandon> kwwii_: i still havent got the uuencode diff to apply correctly so ummm dunno yet ;)
[08:52] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hu ?
[08:52] <Tonio_> isn't that an external package ?
[08:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_: yes , the one i did
[08:53] <Tonio_> kwwii_: what are you talking about ?
[08:53] <Tonio_> or you were just confirming it was in....
[08:53] <imbrandon> the kwincrystalrc was in k-d-s
[08:53] <imbrandon> and he was confirming
[08:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ah.......
[08:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:53] <Tonio_> so you have to uuencode images in that file ? okay I understand
[08:54] <Tonio_> I missed this one sorry
[08:54] <imbrandon> Tonio_: no worries i uploaded -43 k-d-s and now trying to get uuencode to behave
[08:54] <kwwii_> Tonio_: don't worry, imbrandon took care of it :-)
[08:54] <Tonio_> great
[08:55] <kwwii_> Tonio_: the file kwincrystalrc is already in k-d-s and that controls the things I wanted to change with the window deco (not the buttons)
[08:55] <kwwii_> even I did not know that until I looked :-)
[08:55] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhh, okay that makes sense now
[08:55] <Tonio_> hehe you didn't tell me what you wanted to change so....
[08:55] <Tonio_> well imbrandon will do it... I have to finish my server backup......
[08:55] <Tonio_> I'm getting crazy with this.....
[08:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_: see http://pastebin.ca/177822  <--- i'll poke Riddell when he's arround to find out what i'm doing wrong
[08:56] <kwwii_> yeah, to be honest, I never looked at how it does it, only what it does :-)
[08:56] <imbrandon> hehehe
[08:56] <kwwii_> I bet I built the window deco 100+ times
[08:56] <imbrandon> i like the ones we have , but i'm sure i'll like the new ones
[08:57] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I assume it is not a problem with the -p  ?
[08:57] <kwwii_> well, everything is glossy now
[08:57] <Tonio_> I must say I don't know, hard to guess in 10 sec....
[08:57] <Tonio_> sorry but I'm out... will have more time tomorrow and friday
[08:57] <imbrandon> Tonio_: it might be -p2 hrm
[08:57] <imbrandon> heh later Tonio_
[08:57] <Tonio_> seya :)
[08:57] <kwwii_> I thought about adding a gradient like the window deco to the panel but I want Jonathan to talk to me still :p
[08:58] <imbrandon> kwwii_: we should do the panel like i had mine ;)
[08:58] <kwwii_> imbrandon: that is basically what my new one looks like
[08:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:59] <imbrandon> lets put that in tonight if Riddell says its ok
[08:59] <kwwii_> wanna add that too? we can see what people think, at least
[08:59] <imbrandon> sure
[09:14] <imbrandon> kwwii_: woot got it building correct, now installing , gonna restart X and try it , then upload
[09:14] <kwwii_> cool :-)
[09:17] <imbrandon> ohhh WOW
[09:17] <imbrandon> kwwii_: you rock
[09:18] <kwwii_> ;-)
[09:20] <seaLne> before i trash the laptop i need for tommorow is todays live install ok?
[09:21] <imbrandon> seaLne: no idea , havent tried todays images
[09:21] <seaLne> not chuffed about python breakage today of all days :)
[09:23] <seaLne> imbrandon: don't suppose you have time at some point to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3175 ?
[09:23] <imbrandon> seaLne: sure lemme just put one last touch on this kwin package for kwwii_ ( ~5 minutes ) then i'll look
[09:26] <imbrandon> kwwii_: uploaded kwin-style-crystal , should hit everyones edgy boxes in about ~1 to ~1.5 hours ;)
[09:27] <imbrandon> and i must say it fskin rocks
[09:27] <kwwii_> imbrandon: killer, thanks a lot man
[09:27] <imbrandon> seaLne: looking now
[09:27] <seaLne> should the progress bar in usplash ever get beyond about 5%?
[09:28] <imbrandon> seaLne: mine gets to about 50% bore kde login shows
[09:28] <seaLne> heh
[09:28] <kwwii_> seaLne: that seems to be an issue that lots of people bring up...it stops at different points for different people, depending on the machine speek I guess
[09:28] <kwwii_> speed
[09:29] <kwwii_> parallizing the boot stuff only makes it worse
[09:29] <seaLne> i think it might have gone further if it hadn't complained about eth1 (todays live cd)
[09:29] <seaLne> yeah
[09:31] <imbrandon> seaLne: looks great, need me to uplaod ?
[09:32] <seaLne> yes please
[09:32] <seaLne> and archive afterwards if you could, thanks
[09:32] <imbrandon> sure
[09:32] <kwwii_> imbrandon: http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png
[09:32] <kwwii_> that is the lightest effect I can make without loosing the effect
[09:32] <imbrandon> kk kwwii_ gimme just a sec to finish this other upload
[09:33] <kwwii_> imbrandon: no problem, just wanted you to test it and tell me your opinion firt
[09:33] <kwwii_> first
[09:34] <kwwii_> Riddell: I know you are not big on panel bg's so perhaps you could take a look at that pic as well and tell me if it is too much for you
[09:37] <imbrandon> seaLne: uploaded and archived
[09:37] <seaLne> cheers
[09:37] <seaLne> now all i have is 3 more complex ones to do before next week :(
[09:38] <imbrandon> kwwii_: looks fskin amazing to me ;)
[09:38] <imbrandon> ( the pannel bg )
[09:39] <imbrandon> and fyi there is a pannel bg enabled by default from kde, this is just a diffrent one ;)
[09:40] <imbrandon> kwwii_: here it is in action on a default install ( with your other new art ) http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss101.png
[09:41] <seaLne> imbrandon: how does that look with panel size tiny?
[09:41] <kwwii_> :-)
[09:42] <kwwii_> seaLne: I like it best at that size
[09:42] <imbrandon> seaLne: s/101/102 and look
[09:42] <imbrandon> it look ok that way too
[09:43] <kwwii_> imbrandon: update your color scheme to get the new color inactive window title
[09:43] <imbrandon> umm afaik i have everything updated
[09:44] <seaLne> imbrandon: yeah looks fine to me :)
[09:44] <seaLne> i have no idea why people would want to waste so much space on panel :)
[09:45] <imbrandon> seaLne: i normaly have 15 or more windows open, so two rows is great ( plus at 1600x1200 tiny is a bit small to see )
[09:48] <seaLne> hmm lang-gnome-en-base installing
[09:52] <seaLne> yeah after install progress went to ~50% :)
[09:56] <seaLne> todays live i386 installs fine
[10:03] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:03] <kwwii_> he who fixes me sound gets a beer
[10:04] <kwwii_> it's been awefull quite in my office for weeks
[10:05] <fdoving> what's wrong with it?
[10:05] <kwwii_> fdoving: my sound? i am running ppc and it simply does not work at all since i installed edgy
[10:06] <kwwii_> I have an eMac - apparently, if things break on ppc, it happens on this machine
[10:07] <fdoving> hmm..
[10:07] <fdoving> i have sound working on my ibook.
[10:07] <fdoving> what module do you try to use?
[10:07] <kwwii_> how does one reconfigure sound?
[10:07] <kwwii_> perhaps things are better and I simply need to reconfigure it
[10:08] <kwwii_> snd                    69940  5 snd_aoa_i2sbus,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[10:08] <seaLne> have you turned everything up in alsamixer?
[10:08] <fdoving> don't know if there is such a feature.
[10:08] <kwwii_> it does not even find the device, I think
[10:08] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[10:09] <kwwii_> crimsun: sound on ppc edgy
[10:09] <crimsun> no, your issue.
[10:09] <kwwii_> ?
[10:10] <fdoving> kwwii_: crimsun is -the- soundman.
[10:10] <kwwii_> hehe, then I am lucky
[10:10] <kwwii_> well, if I open a mixer, for instance, it does not even find a device
[10:10] <kwwii_> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[10:11] <kwwii_> etc.
[10:11] <crimsun> what're the contents of /proc/asound/cards?
[10:11] <crimsun> (no soundcards?)
[10:11] <kwwii_> --- no soundcards ---
[10:11] <crimsun> pastebin your lspci -nv
[10:11] <crimsun> and your dmesg
[10:12] <kwwii_> http://pastebin.ca/177879
[10:13] <kwwii_> http://pastebin.ca/177885
[10:14] <dholbach> Riddell: did you have a chance to have another look at telepathy-qt?
[10:15] <crimsun> kwwii_: your kernel is olde
[10:15] <crimsun> -e
[10:15] <crimsun> please use -8- first
[10:15] <seaLne> ye olde kernel :)
[10:17] <dholbach> Riddell, andrunko: for me it's good enough to go
[10:20] <kwwii_> crimsun: erm, how does one update the kernel in ubuntu? I thought the normal updates would do it
[10:22] <dholbach> (I'm happy if anybody else reviews it too)
[10:22] <jdong> crimsun: why does flashplugin conflict xfs (< 1:1.0.1-5)?
[10:23] <crimsun> jdong: because the older font server had some extremely screwy issues.
[10:23] <jdong> crimsun: hmm, that includes Dapper?
[10:24] <jdong> crimsun: right now dist-upgrading flashplugin also forces xfs off
[10:24] <crimsun> that's correct.
[10:24] <jdong> crimsun: so does something bad happen if xfs and flashplugin were both installed?
[10:24] <crimsun> yes, stuff isn't displayed
[10:25] <jdong> crimsun: ok, thanks for the clear-up...
[10:25] <crimsun> nevermind the fact that to use Flash you have to either disable composite or pass an env to firefox
[10:25] <crimsun> kwwii_: they should, do you not have an updated option for -8-?
[10:26] <Kuhrscher> Hi, is somebody working on the broken translations in edgy?
[10:27] <kwwii_> crimsun: I update every day...everything, would I have to select that myelf somehow?
[10:28] <fdoving> kwwii_: do you use yaboot? is it updated automatically with the new kernels? do you use the symlinks for yaboot.conf?
[10:29] <crimsun> no, you shouldn't have to. What do you have from ``apt-cache search linux image 2.6.17-8''?
[10:30] <fdoving> gnite.
[10:30] <kwwii_> fdoving: yes I use yaboot...erm symlinks?
[10:30] <kwwii_> hehe g'night
[10:31] <kwwii_> linux-image-2.6.17-8-powerpc - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on 32-bit PowerPC
[10:31] <kwwii_> and a lot of other similar lines
[10:31] <kwwii_> my yaboot.conf is out-of-the-box
[10:32] <fdoving> kwwii_: symlinks in /boot,like /boot/vmlinux and /boot/initrd.img
[10:32] <kwwii_> initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.17-8-powerpc
[10:32] <kwwii_> System.map-2.6.17-8-powerpc
[10:32] <kwwii_> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root   24 2006-09-20 18:33 vmlinux -> vmlinux-2.6.17-8-powerpc
[10:32] <fdoving> out of the box yaboot.conf will probably use the symlinks, the question is, are the symlinks updated to the new versions?
[10:32] <fdoving> correct.
[10:32] <kwwii_> yepp, they are there
[10:33] <fdoving> try executing 'ybin -v'
[10:33] <fdoving> (with sudo or root access)
[10:33] <fdoving> I have to go now. you'll figure it out :)
[10:34] <kwwii_> :-)
[10:34] <kwwii_> thanks for your help
[10:34] <kwwii_> http://pastebin.ca/177907
[10:36] <kwwii_> perhaps I simply need to reboot
[10:36] <kwwii_> ?
[10:36] <kwwii_> now that would be funny
[10:36] <kwwii_> it has been a couple of days
[10:43] <kwwii_> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/177917 is my latest dmesg
[10:43] <crimsun> kwwii_: can't look now, busy. Ping me tonight (~6hrs)
[10:45] <kwwii_> crimsun: well, that is 4am my time....perhaps some other time
[10:46] <kwwii_> I appreciate the help and understand your schedule, but my wife would kill me :-)
[10:49] <ryanakca> I got "dpkg --get-selections" catted into a file. it's called "dpkgselections". now, how do I use this file with "dpkg --set-selections"?
[10:51] <ryanakca> oops, wrong channel
[10:51] <jdong> ryanakca: you just love answering your own questions, don't you ;)
[10:54] <ryanakca> jdong: *curses himself for asking impossible questions*
[10:55] <jdong> ryanakca: how is that an impossible question?
[10:55] <jdong> ryanakca: have you found your answer yet?
[10:55] <ryanakca> nope
[10:55] <jdong> ryanakca: dpkg --set-selections < slectionfile
[10:55] <jdong> ryanakca: sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[10:55] <kwwii_> imbrandon: ping?
[10:56] <jdong> ryanakca: your hibernate works fine, the computer shuts off, that's good enough
[10:57] <ryanakca> jdong: since when does my hibernate work fine? I have to pull the plug on it after about 5 minutes of it not doing anything and staying stuck and a X screen that looks as if it's been put threw a paper shredder :)
[10:58] <kwwii_> imbrandon: we should increase the default size of the window decoration by 2 pixels
[10:58] <kwwii_> ryanakca: trust me, you are not the only one
[10:59] <jdong> ryanakca: isn't that what hibernate was supposed to do?
[11:00] <kwwii_> ryanakca: don't worry, my sound doesnt't work
[11:00] <ryanakca> jdong: lol
[11:01] <ryanakca> kwwii_: I had that problem too... turns out the dist-upgrades kept on removing me from the "audio" group...
[11:01] <ryanakca> They finally got it fixed though..
[11:01] <kwwii_> ryanakca: well, my problem is more a kernel thing it appears
[11:02] <ryanakca> kwwii_: aah... kernel :)
[11:02] <ryanakca> First time I had used linux...
[11:03] <kwwii_> I am *the* reason that wacom worked on suse
[11:03] <ryanakca> and there I was recompiling the kernel....
[11:03] <ryanakca> lol :D
[11:03] <nixternal> krdp so rocks with ssh
[11:03] <kwwii_> every releae I brought all of my tablets to the X guy and said "they don't work"
[11:04] <ryanakca> lol
[11:04] <ryanakca> hmm... why are the window decorations still that flashy purple instead of blueish purple...
[11:05] <kwwii_> ryanakca: they are blue-ishh purple
[11:05] <kwwii_> just darker
[11:05] <kwwii_> and shiny
[11:05] <kwwii_> with new buttons
[11:05] <ryanakca> ah
[11:06] <kwwii_> and if I could get imbrandon to notice my existence perhaps we would have a new panel bg too
[11:06] <ryanakca> hmm... Viper550 (I think) had some nice nice gradients for the wind decorations...
[11:06] <kwwii_> I think he is taking a nap
[11:06] <kwwii_> or hiding
[11:06] <ryanakca> imbrandon: how do you set up a build farm thingy
[11:07] <kwwii_> ryanakca: he had some ideas for the panel
[11:07] <ryanakca> oooh
[11:07] <kwwii_> the one I have is along the same lines, but much more subtle
[11:08] <ryanakca> Why don't we set the panel to "locked"?  having those polkadotted bars show up all over the place is a pain and I find in... unattractive... imho
[11:08] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png
[11:09] <ryanakca> oooh... looks nice :)
[11:09] <kwwii_> ryanakca: yeah, I think they look ugly too
[11:09] <ryanakca> like if it was just the itsy bitsy black arrow that popped up, I wouldn't mind...
[11:11] <ryanakca> I like it... it gives the panel a cylindrical look
[11:12] <kwwii_> I hoped it would match the new window deco stuff
[11:13] <ryanakca> what... you've changed your mind again?
[11:13] <kwwii_> Riddell: you still haven't given your opinion
[11:14] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:14] <ryanakca> then who's idea was it to change it all to greyish blue?
[11:15] <andrunko> dholbach: nice, tnk you. let me know if you have any issue :)
[11:15] <dholbach> andrunko: looks good enough to me
[11:15] <andrunko> nice
[11:15] <dholbach> andrunko: just waiting for somebody from the kubuntu end to say "alrighty"
[11:15] <kwwii_> ryanakca: it si not all greyish blue...the active window is quite purple stil
[11:15] <andrunko> dholbach: ok
[11:15] <kwwii_> l
[11:15] <dholbach> andrunko: you rock!
[11:15] <dholbach> andrunko: I added you to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules
[11:16] <andrunko> dholbach: :), you the guy
[11:16] <ryanakca> kwwii_: I know... the windecs should be either gb... or purple with a purple background... and why are the inactive ones straight grey?
[11:16] <kwwii_> hi dholbach, hope things are good on your end
[11:16] <kwwii_> ryanakca: they are not anymore
[11:17] <kwwii_> ryanakca: the inactive ones are now a blueish color
[11:17] <dholbach> kwwii_: heya - yeah, I'm quite busy, but I'm ok... I'm at el's office atm
[11:17] <dholbach> kwwii_: how are you?
[11:17] <kwwii_> let me post a screenshot
[11:17] <kwwii_> dholbach: busy too
[11:17] <kwwii_> dholbach: the closer we get, the busier I am :-)
[11:18] <el> dholbach stole sweets from our snack baer
[11:18] <el> and didn't give me anything
[11:18] <kwwii_> haha
[11:18] <dholbach> el: that's UNTRUE!
[11:18] <el> liar
[11:18] <dholbach> el: now you won't get any sweets at all!
[11:18] <dholbach> muhuhuhahahahahahahaha
[11:18] <el> pfffft - i live healthy
[11:18] <el> i don't want sweets
[11:19] <dholbach> healthy ....
[11:19] <dholbach> . o O { boooooring }
[11:19] <kwwii_> ryanakca: http://bootsplash.org/snapshot6.png
[11:19] <el> (now i don't know what to say any more...)
[11:19] <dholbach> el: I'm sorry - what about having ice cream on the way home? ;)
[11:19] <el> aeh - it won't be open then!
[11:21] <seaLne> even more healthy
[11:22] <kwwii_> el: do you keep up with the kubuntu artwork stuff? I would like to know your opinion on the newest stuff
[11:23] <el> kwwii_, no - sorry. but holehan is usually having a look at the latest artwork
[11:23] <kwwii_> el: cool
[11:23] <el> kwwii_, has the icon testing made progress with him?
[11:24] <el> kwwii_, i think holehan is still in #openusability
[11:24] <kwwii_> el: the biggest problem is that we (the oxygen team) have no idea exactly what to test
[11:24] <kwwii_> or how to test it
[11:24] <el> kwwii_, hmm - let's sit together in dublin and think about that
[11:25] <kwwii_> el: definitely. david will be there as well, so we can figure something out
[11:25] <kwwii_> it looks like nuno will not be able to make it because he just took a new job
[11:25] <el> kwwii_, yes. did you see the icon naming bof? is that (time/date/etc) all right for you?
[11:26] <el> kwwii_, but he'll continue to work on oxygen, no?
[11:27] <kwwii_> el: to be honest, the bofs (and working with david) are all I really plan to do...although I must admit I am lazy about keeping a calender
[11:27] <kwwii_> I thought about that today
[11:27] <kwwii_> making a plan of what I want to do
[11:27] <el> hehe
[11:28] <kwwii_> sounds like a reason to earn enough money to hire someone to do it for me
[11:28] <kwwii_> when is that bof?
[11:28] <el> kwwii_, we did: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=HCI+%40+akademy
[11:28] <kwwii_> or, better, is there a schedule?
[11:29] <el> kwwii_, did you see it? wed, 1700-1800
[11:29] <kwwii_> yepp
[11:29] <kwwii_> thanks for that
[11:29] <kwwii_> we really need one schedule for everything though
[11:30] <el> kwwii_, this tiki wiki is sh*t....
[11:31] <kwwii_> well, I will put this in my plan on my laptop (it would be nice to do it on one computer and transfer it to another, but I am not that advanced)
[11:31] <kwwii_> normally my schedule is a text file
[11:32] <kwwii_> :p
[11:32] <el> :)
[11:32] <el> you can export ical events
[11:32] <kwwii_> I am really bad at this stuff, and probably miss out on a lot of things because of it
[11:32] <kwwii_> yeah, on my mac it is simple
[11:32] <el> hah, and you are having a mac!!
[11:32] <kwwii_> kontact scares me though
[11:32] <kwwii_> but I try not to use osx anymore
[11:32] <el> ah - ok, that's an excuse ;-)
[11:33] <kwwii_> oh, if I had osx I could do it without a problem
[11:33] <el> yes, kontact is really difficult....
[11:33] <el> at least the calendar
[11:33] <kwwii_> but since my wlan works I promised myself only to use osx when I need to do some print thing on adoble
[11:34] <kwwii_> I tried to import a calender but it did not work
[11:34] <kwwii_> at least, I did not figure it out
[11:34] <el> kwwii_, hehe - soon you'll have some experts around you who can help
[11:35] <kwwii_> el: I was just thinking that...I really look forward to akademy this year. I will definitely have an impact on how I work
[11:35] <kwwii_> and the work I am doing now, hopefully
[11:36] <kwwii_> I really like the kubuntu artwork stuff for edgy so far
[11:36] <kwwii_> I hope to get other opinions as well
[11:36] <kwwii_> although asking developers is not always the right answer
[11:36] <sebas> calendars are for people that aren't arrogant enough to just forget dates
[11:36] <kwwii_> :p
[11:36] <el> yes, i'm also much looking forward to akademy. all september i did nothing except kde stuff (ok, and a few organisation things):)
[11:36] <kwwii_> sebas: screw you
[11:37] <el> hah, sebas !
[11:37] <sebas> kwwii_: Remind me to remind you to give me a beer :>
[11:37] <sebas> hah el!~
[11:37] <kwwii_> sebas: as I remember it, I owe you one or two
[11:37] <el> yaaam.... bear.....
[11:37] <el> beer
[11:37] <el> ups
[11:37] <sebas> I'm considering bringing port for Tom, but I'm unsure if the airport personnel accepts that.
[11:38] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:38] <kwwii_> no more liquids
[11:38] <sebas> Worst case: I've to drink it at the customs.
[11:38] <kwwii_> so much for my big pepsi-light cup
[11:38] <sebas> Not *that* bad actually ... :>
[11:38] <kwwii_> :p
[11:38] <sebas> Ireland is not UK, it *might* be OK.
[11:38] <kwwii_> but you'll arrive with a headache
[11:39] <sebas> No, I'll arrive pretty drunk, it's only a one-hour-flight, no time to get a headache.
[11:39] <kwwii_> lol
[11:39] <sebas> And I always have my personal adesistant
[11:39] <sebas> Ouch :/
[11:40] <sebas> That's am, right?
[11:40] <kwwii_> guess I will go straight to the nokia pizza
[11:40] <kwwii_> no, no....pm
[11:40] <sebas> On saturday?
[11:40] <kwwii_> I get in at 5:20 on Sat
[11:40] <sebas> You americans should learn about 24hour days, not 12hourhalfdays.
[11:40] <sebas> That's late.
[11:40] <kwwii_> yepp
[11:41] <sebas> I'll miss you.
[11:41] <kwwii_> but the eV meeting is on Sun, or?
[11:41] <sebas> monday
[11:41] <seaLne> mon
[11:41] <kwwii_> whew
[11:41] <kwwii_> so I am cool
[11:41] <kwwii_> Riddell: we put a really glossy panel bg in place, since you were not here
[11:42] <sebas> Heh, showme!!11111111
[11:42] <Riddell> kwwii_, imbrandon, dholbach, andrunko: you pinged?
[11:42] <andrunko> Riddell: pong
[11:42] <Riddell> kwwii_: just testing it out now, not bad as they go
[11:42] <ryanakca> kwwii_: back... lol I just noticed that the screen was scrolling, and the bar on the scroll bar was going up...
[11:42] <kwwii_> well, iif imbrandon would wake up from his nap and include the new panel bg we would all be happy
[11:42] <dholbach> Riddell: pinged about telepathy-qt - looks good to me, would like some kubnutu hacker to look at it too, so we don't miss anything - that's all
[11:43] <Riddell> andrunko: where's that source again?
[11:43] <ryanakca> kwwii_: it looks nice
[11:43] <ryanakca> kwwii_: can't wait
[11:43] <andrunko> Riddell: svn export https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/tapioca-voip/trunk/telepathy-qt
[11:44] <seaLne> will pbuilder work offline if it has the packages in its cache?
[11:44] <dholbach> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~telepathy/telepathy-qt/ubuntu is the packaging
[11:44] <dholbach> seaLne: yes
[11:44] <seaLne> k
[11:46] <Riddell> kwwii_: any other artwork outstanding?
[11:47] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, the panel bg is still oustanding...wanted your opinion on that
[11:47] <Riddell> kwwii_: lets do it
[11:47] <Riddell> kwwii_: did the window decorations go up?
[11:48] <kwwii_> Riddell: yepp, and people seem to like it
[11:49] <kwwii_> the panel bg is something that we kinda waited for, the rest should be done
[11:49] <kwwii_> amarok, metabar, etc.
[11:50] <nixternal> you did the new deco's kwwii?
[11:50] <nixternal> hmm...
[11:51] <nixternal> can i be frank about it?
[11:52] <Riddell> nixternal: of course
[11:52] <nixternal> dude, it looks HOT!  Kubuntu looks refreshed with it.  I like it, good job!!!
[11:52] <nixternal> damn Riddell, i wanted kwwii to answer...was trying to make him sweat ;)
[11:52] <nixternal> had my finger on the "enter" trigger
[11:52] <Riddell> nixternal: oh no, now you'll make kwwii_ all big headed
[11:52] <nixternal> haha
[11:53] <nixternal> i love this new color totally!
[11:53] <kwwii_> ehe
[11:53] <nixternal> this shade of purple could replace "blue" as my favorite color ;)
[11:53] <kwwii_> the funky thing is this: the color is really blue but it looks purple
[11:53] <nixternal> oh well..then i will stick with blue ;)
[11:54] <kwwii_> ?
[11:54] <nixternal> as my favorite color ;)
[11:54] <kwwii_> hehe
[11:54] <nixternal> i like it though.
[11:55] <andrunko> Riddell: i got go, leave me a msg if you find any problem with the packaging
[11:55] <nixternal> i think we need the colors in the docs as well ;)
[11:55] <kwwii_> what about panel bg?
[11:55] <andrunko> laters
[11:55] <seaLne> out of interest is anyone here thats going to akademy wanting to buy a kubuntu tshirt?
[11:55] <nixternal> kwwii_: kicker panel?
[11:55] <kwwii_> nixternal: yepp
[11:55] <kwwii_> it needs to be added still, I think
[11:55] <nixternal> ya, because mine still looks like the old one
[11:55] <kwwii_> we can wait to add it to the next update of k-d-s
[11:56] <nixternal> gloss panel kubuntu?
[11:56] <nixternal> it didn't get named default
[11:56] <kwwii_> nixternal: add http://bootsplash.org/panelbg1d.png
[11:56] <andrunko> Riddell: dholbach told that you can upload it if you are fine with it, and if not, mail him that he will do it tomorrow
[11:57] <Riddell> andrunko: cool, just looking at it now
[11:57] <nixternal>  /usr/share/apps/kicker/wallpapers/glosspanel_kubuntu.jpg
[11:57] <nixternal> thats not it right?
[11:57] <andrunko> Riddell: nice :)
[11:57] <kwwii_> nixternal: point the dialog to the new file from my server
[11:57] <nixternal> gotcha
[11:58] <dholbach> night fellas
[11:58] <kwwii_> night dholbach
[11:59] <nixternal> i like it kwwii_, and added the "theme color" to it
[11:59] <kwwii_> nixternal: I tried adding that as well for a while, but I think that at first it is better without it
[11:59] <kwwii_> for most people
[12:00] <nixternal> i selected it to apply the theme color...i like the shade it gives it
[12:01] <kwwii_> I wish it was a bit darker
[12:01] <kwwii_> but I like it as well
[12:01] <nixternal> it really looks good..this is the first funky kicker i have ever had
[12:02] <nixternal> if i ever tricked out kicker, all i would do is make it transparent
[12:02] <kwwii_> that says a lot, actually
[12:03] <nixternal> hrmm
[12:03] <nixternal> i forgot i added a hotkey for that
[12:04] <Riddell> andrunko: around?
[12:04] <kwwii_> we'll see how well the new colors, overlays and buttons come across
[12:06] <nixternal> hey kwwii_, did you get a chance to play with the doc images at all?
[12:07] <kwwii_> nixternal: yeah, but I did not have much licuk
[12:07] <kwwii_> luck
[12:07] <nixternal> ok..i thought licuk was something new that i have yet to learn ;)
[12:08] <kwwii_> simply changing the colors doesn''t really work
[12:08] <Riddell> kwwii_: should I package this panel background?
[12:08] <kwwii_> we need to design a whole new interface
[12:08] <nixternal> tomorrow is the doc freeze...is it possible to get those included after the freeze? anyone know?
[12:09] <kwwii_> Riddell: yes, please
[12:09] <Riddell> nixternal: doc freeze is for strings not images
[12:09] <nixternal> cool Riddell
[12:09] <nixternal> so if i add them at a later date we will be fine
[12:09] <Riddell> nixternal: I should package the docs as well then right?
[12:10] <nixternal> you can look at them if you get a chance...there might be just a little bit more editing..i can't speak 100% for about or kdg..but the release notes i have been working on getting them ready
[12:10] <nixternal> release notes are probably at 99% right now
[12:10] <nixternal> and kdg and about might be at or around 75%...but i will fix that all tonight
[12:11] <Riddell> nixternal: woo :)


[01:49] <Unit193> netritious: Yep, all is good until she gets the fly swatter. ;)
[03:00] <binarymutant> context is a funny thing
[03:02] <binarymutant> ah the program dumping it's core was google-chrome *angry fist shake*