[19:49] <CT1> Hi. I have an nvidia card with 2 monitors connected as separate x displays.  nvidia say "hardware accelerated OpenGL cannot span the two X screens".  How does this work? 1st come 1st served? or disabled completely?
[19:49] <amereservant> Yeah.
[19:49] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, ^^
[19:50] <amereservant> I was going to use the mini.iso, but it's missing my ethernet drivers.
[19:50] <bricas> agronholm_: just d/l'ed debs from launchpad. worked okay. phew. :)
[19:50] <amereservant> And I'm not finding anything on how to find them.
[19:50] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, I have problem creating bootable USB flash for ubuntu 10.04 rc :(
[19:50] <isolat3dsh33p> so i used alpha installer and do all the upgrades from there
[19:51] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, I didn't have any trouble with that.... the CD is my issue.
[19:51] <amereservant> I'll try again.
[19:51] <CT1> or is there a way to see which screen is using hardware accelerated opengl?
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> want me to burn a cd for you?
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> you can come to holland to collect it
[19:51] <amereservant> Hehe, sure thing.  Be right there.
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> :P
[19:52] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, I was running out of CD, so I never really tried installing it in CD :D
[19:52] <amereservant> Let me poop a few grand to travel there, find a baby-sitter, and I'll be right over.
[19:52] <Matterco> How do you know if the installation is hung?
[19:52] <Matterco> I have been on the purple haze screen for an hour.
[19:52] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, Well it won't run from CD either.
[19:53] <jrib> Matterco: it's hung...
[19:53] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, but you manage to burn it?
[19:53] <Dr-Ubuntu> when i tried upgrading ubuntu the first time to 10.4 my keyboard and mouse crashed during the install but it kept running but i couldnt answer the last question for grub and finish the upgrade and had to reinstall QQ
[19:53] <amereservant> Yeah, I'll try dling another image and this time check the md5checksum
[19:53] <amereservant> It could be bad.
[19:54] <switchgirl> !dns
[19:54] <switchgirl> !google-dns
[19:54] <CT1> How can I see if hardware accelerated opengl is being used, and on which screen?
[19:54] <switchgirl> !google-public-dns
[19:54] <Dr-Ubuntu> i can see it in system - nvidia settings
[19:54] <apparle> when is lucid coming out?
[19:55] <gorgonzola> tomorrow?
[19:57] <CT1> Dr-Ubuntu: Which part of nvidia settings? That frame buffer business?
[19:59] <Dr-Ubuntu> yea seems to me its working then if you get that
[20:01] <muzy> Is there a Release Time?
[20:01] <muzy> like 12:00 GMT?
[20:01] <muzy> or so
[20:01] <tsimpson> no
[20:01] <muzy> ?
[20:01] <muzy> ohh no party :(
[20:01] <yofel> !outyet
[20:01] <CT1> Dr-Ubuntu: I have X Screen 0 and X Screen 1 sections.  How can I see which one is using hardware acceleration (unless I've misunderstood "hardware accelerated OpenGL cannot span the two X screens" from nvidia site.
[20:02] <jmworx> Anyone knows whether Lucid properly supports the Arrandale integrated GPU?
[20:04] <vamadir> where ubunut lucid?\
[20:04] <Fishscene> Just around the corner. But you might scare it away by asking =(
[20:04] <tsimpson> it's not a place, it's a state of being
[20:05] <frankie_> hello
[20:06] <vamadir> what clock in ubuntu web page? grinvich?
[20:06] <UTF> any of u guys experienced your laptop getting really hot when running lucid? Docky tends to disappear too without any errors - i have to run it once in a while for it to appear. Sometimes alt+tab doesn't work either...
[20:08] <UTF> i still love lucid tho... lol
[20:08] <UTF> amazing how far they come each time they launch a new release
[20:08] <frankie_> why am i being told not to use ubuntu 10.04
[20:08] <muzy> I use xubuntu :)
[20:08] <helo> this is a LTS release, so they'll have plenty of time to fix all of the problems ;)
[20:08] <Artemis3> Does anyone has gallery2 installed?
[20:09] <vamadir> aAAAAAAAAAAAAA now i using lucid beta 2
[20:09] <yofel> !final
[20:10] <UTF> frankie_, no idea bro... but if you are about to install i would recommend u to wait untill tomorrow where the final release is ready :)
[20:10] <melvin> Hello. i have a little weird problem after upgrading to 10.04. nm-applet doesn't communicate with gnome-keyring-daemon anymore. it works by creating a new profile. but i don't want to do this. what change on the profile is needed? ssh-add works
[20:10] <frankie_> UTF like final final release? relatively safe to use?
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> I have an nvidia quadro nvs 295 card that is not supported in nouveau at the moment, is there a way to have the 10.04 installer force the nv drivers or do I need to blacklist nouveau?
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, the stable release yes
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, the current release still has a few bugs left
[20:11] <frankie_> UTF thank you, i will wait until tommrorow :o)
[20:11] <DeadmanIncJS> hi
[20:11] <frankie_> i played with it on live cd and loved most of it :)
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, no problem bro :)
[20:11] <DeadmanIncJS> im very much looking forward to 10.04
[20:12] <UTF> frankie_, yah i lub it too... felt the exact same way with the last release lol
[20:12] <intangir> when lucid releases will we be able to upgrade to it from rc1 like normal?
[20:12] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, the nv driver won't support it either
[20:12] <charlie-tca> !final | intangir
[20:13] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, I just installed 9.10 to test and it works
[20:14] <UTF> any knows if they fixed the memory leak issue yet? i wonder if thats why my puter acts up at times
[20:15] <DeadmanIncJS> i never have a problem w/my laptop
[20:15] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, are you sure it didn't pick vesa? i assume you want to use the blob, right?
[20:15] <Fishscene> UTF: Up until a couple of days ago, my computer would lag a lot and access the HD a lot. But now it seems fine.
[20:15] <UTF> Fishscene, cool thanks for the heads up bro :)
[20:16] <melvin> Fishscene, my lap works this way  too
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, The live cd of 10.04 works, but then the video dies after reboot to the fresh OS.  Display goes to low power mode after grub.
[20:18] <Fishscene> Yea, that was the same with my 4-year-old laptop with 512MB of RAM. But the performance is now on-par with XP or better. :) I like showing off this laptop to coworkers and stuff.
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> Very strange
[20:18] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, you don't have dual graphics chips do you?
[20:19] <Pres-Gas> I did, bjsnider but then removed one of the cards...still the same.
[20:19] <bjsnider> what was the other card?
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> They both were the same
[20:20] <bjsnider> you had two...
[20:20] <bjsnider> that's pretty ridiculous
[20:20] <bjsnider> i mean come on
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, that is not helpful, is it?
[20:22] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, if you can get to a text prompt you can install the blob using jockey-text. try the kernel safe mode option in grub. you can see it if you press and hold shift right after the bios screen
[20:23] <helo> ahhh... we are supposed to type apt-get update in a _console_... why did i never know this?
[20:23] <coz_> helo,  not sure :)   yep  sudo apt-ge
[20:24] <coz_> helo,   sudo apt-get update
[20:24] <helo> i just kept typing it at the "host login: " and it would ask for a password?!
[20:24] <shodan45> what time will 10.04 be released?
[20:25] <shodan45> ubuntu.com just says 1 day
[20:25] <yofel> undefined
[20:25] <UTF> lol
[20:25] <helo> shodan45: they just announced they would not release it for another week if another person in here asked that question :(
[20:25] <shodan45> hah
[20:25] <yofel> helo: wrong channel
[20:25] <yofel> !outyet
[20:25] <helo> yofel: nothing on-topic to really discuss in here anyways :)
[20:26] <helo> shoudln't it be +s? the topic really says it all
[20:26] <kamara_36> Hi ! I can not copy the adress from nautilus  (like on previous versions). can someone helps me ?
[20:26] <switchgirl> umm lil help?
[20:26] <helo> not much of a party then i suppose heh
[20:26] <switchgirl> what does "# Add domains which you want to force to an IP address here. # The example below send any host in doubleclick.net to a local # webserver. #address=/doubleclick.net/<IP_ADDRESS>" mean?
[20:26] <yofel> helo: this channel exists until lucid is out, which isn't the case yet, after that the channel will be invide only until ~ uds-m
[20:27] <yofel> switchgirl: related to what?
[20:27] <switchgirl> yofel, $ sudo gedit /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[20:27] <yofel> ah
[20:27] <shodan45> and I assume when it's out, that includes the server version?
[20:28] <yofel> shodan45: out means out for all versions
[20:28] <shodan45> yofel: thanks
[20:28] <bjsnider> switchgirl, it means you don't want to look for that domain on the web, but on your own network instead
[20:29] <kamara_36> Ubuntu also use swap (1 gb ) . but i don't create a swap space on installation. conky and system monitors show that there is a swap space . (this problem was also on 9.1 on my computer)
[20:29] <switchgirl> i want to block it / ban it entirly
[20:29] <frankie_> why does ubuntu come with empathy instead of pidgin?
[20:29] <bjsnider> switchgirl, you should use your router or opendns settings for that
[20:30] <switchgirl> bjsnider, * DanaG<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu+1
[20:30] <rizzuh> When's Lynx coming exactly?
[20:30] <switchgirl> oops
[20:30] <switchgirl> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/local-dns-cache-for-faster-browsing-on-ubuntu-machine.html
[20:30] <charlie-tca> switchgirl: it means you will blanks or missing site instead of advertising or anything else from doubleclick.com
[20:30] <switchgirl> THAT'S what i meant to post
[20:31] <helo> doesn't local dns caching occur automatically?
[20:31] <DanaG> dnsmasq... also good for blocking stupidity like this:
[20:31] <bjsnider> switchgirl, if you uncomment that line, that domain will result in a blank page, since it's your localhost address
[20:31] <DanaG> www11.charter.net/not_found
[20:31] <invernizzi>  question: is the plymouth problem with nvidia proprietary drivers solved? Is there a clear set of steps to follow? Thanks
[20:31] <DanaG> http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[20:32] <bjsnider> invernizzi, what plymouth problem?
[20:32] <DanaG> er, wait, that's not there anymore.
[20:32] <yofel> DanaG: this looks so odd in chromium :D
[20:32] <switchgirl> invernizzi, that where it wont work 100 miles around the area of Plymouth UK?
[20:32] <Italian_Plumber1> ./topic
[20:32] <invernizzi> bjsnider,  i can't get to the graphical plymouth, just the textual one
[20:32] <DanaG> oh, they fixed it to spoof firefox.
[20:32] <Wicked> if i install the rc tonight...when its officially released tomorrow i can just aptitude update and be on release?
[20:33] <invernizzi> switchgirl: no, text only plymouth with nvidia drivers: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[20:33] <guntbert> Wicked: yes, but you probably won't notice any difference :)
[20:33] <Wicked> right on
[20:34] <Wicked> thanks :)
[20:34] <frankie_> will it be possible to upgrade from lts to whatever comes afterwards?
[20:34] <DanaG> bogus-nxdomain for-the-win.
[20:34] <switchgirl> invernizzi, i was trying irony
[20:34] <invernizzi> frankie_, yes, no problem
[20:34] <arand> frankie_: of course
[20:34] <yofel> DanaG: oh, yeah, in firefox I get the IE error, in chromium I get a safari error
[20:34] <charlie-tca> frankie_: yes, you could upgrade to maverick in 6 months
[20:34] <DanaG> I have text-only boot even with ati open-source drivers.
[20:34] <frankie_> ok just making sure :)
[20:35] <invernizzi> switchgirl, my irony sensor is off for the night :-)
[20:35] <DanaG> I have a serial console, and thus plymouth thinks I couldn't POSSIBLY want a splash screen on the local graphical console.
[20:35] <frankie_> who chooses the names for ubuntu
[20:36] <coz_> frankie_,   mark shuttleworth
[20:36] <switchgirl> if i change listen-address=<IP_ADDRESS> to listen-address=<IP_ADDRESS> would it cache google public dns ?
[20:36] <|Quartz|> Hello. Is it possible to use virtualbox-ose on 10.04, because I can't get/make module vboxdrv ?
[20:37] <guntbert> |Quartz|: did you install dkms?
[20:37] <yofel> |Quartz|: do you have the kernel headers installed? the modules build fine here
[20:37] <|Quartz|> yes and yes
[20:38] <charlie-tca> |Quartz|: you can add it using Synaptic Package Manager, even.
[20:38] <|Quartz|> Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[20:38] <ckw> About what time might Lucid be released via Bittorrent?  I have a server available I would like to donate to the swarm
[20:38] <|Quartz|> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
[20:38] <yofel> |Quartz|: installed virtualbox-ose-dkms?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> ckw: there is no time set
[20:38] <ckw> Ah, thanks
[20:38] <|Quartz|> yes, installed
[20:39] <Azoff> I have noticed that the 3d party driver for Nuvoton 677x (released by ASRock in my case) breaks due to the lirc_dev-2.6.33.patch as reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/570700
[20:39] <Azoff> any ideas?
[20:40] <psyk3d> how many minutes for the release???
[20:40] <Tekno> 9000
[20:41] <psyk3d> oh man
[20:41] <psyk3d> damnit
[20:41] <coz_> :)
[20:41] <coz_> psyk3d,   I was going to say 1440  but hey
[20:42] <psyk3d> i broke my karmic a few days back
[20:42] <psyk3d> working on win7
[20:42] <psyk3d> eagerly wain to shift back
[20:42] <gellmar> hi to everybody! If I update all packages every day, should it be necessary for me to perform a clean install?
[20:42] <gellmar> in a release day
[20:42] <kamara_36> can someone see as text the adress (i mean can you copy the adress of directory from nautilus ? ) ?
[20:42] <|Quartz|> found "insmod /lib/modules/2.6.32-21-generic/updates/dkms/vboxdrv.ko"
[20:42] <psyk3d> sudo update-manager -d should do the trick
[20:43] <charlie-tca> !final > gellmar
[20:43] <psyk3d> @ gellmar :sudo update-manager -d should do the trick
[20:43] <charlie-tca> psyk3d: no, it won't. If you are already on lucid, that will result in nothing happening
[20:44] <bjsnider> |Quartz|, did the rubyripper issue get fixed or what?
[20:44] <psyk3d> i meant if upgrading from 9.10
[20:44] <|Quartz|> no
[20:44] <gellmar> psyk3d: I do apt-get upgrade :)
[20:44] <|Quartz|> yesterday I give you a method, but it doesn't work with some disk
[20:45] <gellmar> but dunno if dist-upgrade will be smth different if I use 10.04 from alpha2
[20:45] <|Quartz|> gave*
[20:46] <|Quartz|> concerning the naming of the tracks. For the rest, the method is fine: the velocity of the whole processing is as fast as on 9.10
[20:46] <gellmar> hmmm... tried dist-upgrade and it downloads 211mb while upgrade loads only 30mb
[20:46] <gellmar> it really makes a difference
[20:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:48] <gellmar> BTW, does anybody know a way to get rid of debs installed in apt cache?
[20:48] <coz_> gellmar,  try sudo apt-g
[20:48] <null> is it in yet?
[20:48] <gellmar> apt-get autoclean removes not many of them
[20:48] <coz_> gellmar,  try sudo apt-get autoremove  or sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:49] <maxb> autoclean is the one which deals with the cache, autoremove is something entirely different
[20:49] <gellmar> coz_: I do sudo apt-get --purge autoremove && sudo apt-get --purge clean && sudo apt-get --purge autoclean
[20:49] <maxb> Although, gellmar, your question is a bit confused, debs are not 'installed' in the cache
[20:50] <gellmar> maxb: they are actually lying there
[20:50] <gellmar> eating my hdd space
[20:50] <Jake2|cfl> if already on lucid RC, I've seen so many recommendation of how-to-get-the-final, I don't know what's right
[20:50] <gellmar> while I have inet connection
[20:50] <maxb> gellmar: --purge is quite thoroughly irrelevant for clean and autoclean
[20:50] <coz_> gellmar,  oh   well manually go in and delete them if you like
[20:50] <charlie-tca> !final | Jake2|cfl
[20:50] <maxb> gellmar: and running autoclean after clean is pointless too
[20:51] <gellmar> coz_: when I delete them I start having issues with dpkg
[20:51] <Jake2|cfl> about that--and again after release??
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl: you do not need to reinstall if you have been using lucid. It updates to final
[20:51] <gellmar> that's why I am asking about the SAFER way
[20:51] <coz_> gellmar,  ok  ...let me ask...why do you want to remove them?
[20:51] <maxb> gellmar: What are you actually deleting? 'apt-get clean' will delete all the the cached debs
[20:51] <gellmar> coz_: I have a 6.3Gb partition
[20:51] <gellmar> and 3.3Gb is used by that debs
[20:52] <coz_> gellmar,  oh  understood
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl: after release, use update-manager, or any other method of choice to stay up to date
[20:52] <Jake2|cfl> charlie-tca: it updates to final using WHAT techniques--I have been told many approaches. will follow ubutu above.
[20:52] <apparle> Guys suggest me group where i can get good help regarding programming... accessing various port of computer
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl:  If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Lucid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
 gellmar: and running autoclean after clean is pointless too
[20:53] <gellmar> coz_: or I even thought of moving /var/apt to other partition making a symbolic link
[20:53] <Jake2|cfl> charlie-tca: yeah, that's what ubotu just said too.
[20:53] <coz_> gellmar,  I have not tried that but it soulds  plausible :)
[20:53] <coz_> sounds
[20:53] <gellmar> coz_: some users have their /var mounted on separate partiton
[20:53] <markit> hi, I've a 1900x1080 monitor I tested and worked fine. Recently I plugged it again but kubuntu seems not to recognize it at full resolution anymore :( any tip? Is it possible to specify resolution without having to set the entire xorg.conf? what can have been broken?
[20:54] <Gerrit> Is there a lucid-backports? I want to install kworldclock, found it in http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/amd64/kworldclock but its not available at http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic-backports/amd64/kworldclock and I don't see any lucid-backports. How do I install this package?
[20:54] <gellmar> Gerrit: download it manually and dpkg it :)
[20:54] <maxb> Gerrit: There is no distribution newer than lucid yet, so by definition there can not be any backports to it yet
[20:55] <Gerrit> markit: I had the exact same problem. I followed instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:55] <Gerrit> markit: oh, I misunderstand what 'backports' means then
[20:55] <Gerrit> gellmar: will try
[20:56] <gellmar> Gerrit: as far I use LXDE not gnome I am quite far from that python installers so bash one-liner is best for me now
[20:57] <gellmar> so I can give u a cmd:
[20:57] <gellmar> sudo dpkg -i /tmp/deb/deb
[20:57] <markit> Gerrit: I mean, worked "out of the box", I returned the monitor, in those days I've updated kubuntu 10.04, now I've decided to acquire it (same model, even if not exact the same monitor I returned), and it does not get the full res
[20:57] <gellmar> *deb.deb
[20:57] <gellmar> not deb/deb :)
[20:57] <Gerrit> gellmar: I'm actually on KDE but that's okay.
[20:57] <Gerrit> markit: I had the same surprise yesterday. I didn't get my 1900x1080 to work out of the box, unfortunately.
[20:58] <maxb> Gerrit: The reason you cannot find a newer kworldclock package is because it seems to have been dropped in the KDE 3 to 4 transition
[20:58] <markit> Gerrit: so you also had this working, and was broken by an update? ati board?
[20:58] <root> help me !
[20:59] <Guest41052> nit: ureadahead-other main process (710) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <maxb> That error is harmless. Ignore it.
[20:59] <Guest41052> init: ureadahead-other main process (705) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <Guest41052> init: ureadahead-other main process (710) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <Guest41052> now fixed ?
[20:59] <patdk-wk> no
[20:59] <patdk-wk> but status 4 isn't an error
[20:59] <Guest41052> ?
[20:59] <patdk-wk> it's a notification
[20:59] <patdk-wk> and the program that reports that to you shouldn't be
[21:00] <Guest41052> patdk-wk,  ????
[21:00] <myk_robinson> hey, for some reason Brasero wont burn anything. Any ideas of what to check? Worked fine in Karmic
[21:01] <Guest41052> /dev/sdb1: Superblock last mount time is in the future.
[21:01] <Guest41052>         (by less than a day, probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set)  FIXED.
[21:01] <Guest41052> /dev/sdb1: clean, 322856/655776 files, 2565379/2622603 blocks
[21:01] <Guest41052> ?
[21:02] <Gerrit> markit: No. I bought a new computer and a new monitor at the same time.
[21:04] <markit> Gerrit: I'm not able to make work that tips in that link, do you have some time to help me? i.e. S-video is "cannot find output S-video" and things like that
[21:04] <Viliny> hello guys
[21:04] <Viliny> im having some hardcore problems here
[21:05] <Viliny> i installed the rc on my laptop and chose it to use the whole of my second HD (of 2 total in the asus g50vt laptop)
[21:05] <Viliny> next boot it went straight to lucid lynx
[21:05] <Viliny> no grub to choose with so i did a grub-install /dev/sda1
[21:05] <Viliny> now my laptop won't get past bios last stage or something
[21:06] <Gerrit> markit: It depends on your physical output
[21:06] <Viliny> im baffled how this could have destroyed my laptop on this level
[21:06] <Viliny> i managed to flash to same bios and then older bios version but the exact problem remains
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Viliny: grub just did not update correctly, originally. The old OS is still there
[21:06] <Viliny> anyone have the faintest clue what happened here?
[21:06] <Gerrit> markit: for me, 'xrandr' showed one line DVI-0 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[21:06] <Viliny> charlie-tca: my laptop won't boot anthing now
[21:07] <markit> ok, I tried with VGA-0 but I got
[21:07] <markit> "X error of failed request: badmatch (invalid parameter attribute)"
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Viliny: That is something wrong when you installed grub on top of grub. I don't know how to fix that. what was on the other drive is still there, though.
[21:07] <Gerrit> markit: I did not get that error, I don't know
[21:08] <Viliny> yes i know the hard drives are okay but my computer is effed up charlie-tca - it won't boot a usb-stick, it won't boot a cdrom or anything... wether my files are intact is trivial at this point
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Viliny: tried power off completely and restarting?
[21:09] <Viliny> charlie-tca: really?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:09] <Viliny> no i managed to flash my bios 2 times without powering off the computer
[21:09] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[21:10] <||arifaX> charlie-tca: also pull out the battery once
[21:10] <doktoreas> does Ubuntu Lucid support GMA 500 video card?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Viliny: good luck then
[21:10] <Viliny> battery was pulled out and everything is tried and tested - im just wondering if grub can really mess with the bios
[21:11] <jbuncher> Can anyone help me figure out how to change the keybindings in Okular?  I want to change the inverse search keybinding from "Shift + click" to "middle click"
[21:13] <coz_> jbuncher,  I am not too familair with kde and the locations of the keybinding however I know it is under system settings
[21:19] <Paddy_NI> Hey where would I get the new ubuntu font?
[21:21] <vish> why does is there no *all.deb for this kernel?  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v<IP_ADDRESS>-lucid/
[21:21] <vish> s/does//
[21:21] <jbuncher> coz_ I can't seem to find this particular keybinding.
[21:22] <demism> how can I regenerate my kde-menu? and how can I add applications to the daisy widget?
[21:23] <dagny_ta1gart> hello folks, how is flash working for you in Lucid?
[21:23] <Paddy_NI> dagny_ta1gart: mines makes sandwiches
[21:24] <Paddy_NI> I am yet to get it to do the garden
[21:24] <dagny_ta1gart> Paddy_NI: then it seems installing is a good idea!
[21:24] <Paddy_NI> dagny_ta1gart: yes.. although it aint toilet trained yet :(
[21:25] <melvin> Hello. i have a little weird problem after upgrading to 10.04. nm-applet doesn't communicate with gnome-keyring-daemon anymore. it works by creating a new profile. but i don't want to do this. what change on the profile is needed? ssh-add works
[21:26] <Jake2|cfl> I did sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade...scroll by said get openoffice.org-java-common (did) and a JVM.  What pkg for JVM?
[21:26] <usman> how many hours left for the release of lucid lynx stable version
[21:27] <jpds> usman: Who knows.
[21:27] <patdk-wk> usman, 36+
[21:28] <usman> patdk-wk, wow but the date is april 29 ain't it?
[21:28] <patdk-wk> yes, but everytime someone asks, cause they well know it's the 29th
[21:28] <patdk-wk> the devs have to stop working on it and answer the question of when
[21:29] <patdk-wk> so it gets pushed back alittle more :)
[21:29] <gsp2009> hello folks.. anyone know how to set up separate wallpapers on dual monitors (nvidia)
[21:30] <usman> patdk-wk, sorry if the devs are disturben :)
[21:31] <TecnoBrat> I seem to remember this exact same thing happen with karmic ....
[21:31] <usman> *disturbed
[21:33] <usman> Does lucid lynx officially support drivers for broadcom wlan mini card (in dell laptop), coz i have been using proprietory drivers up until now
[21:33] <crdlb> gsp2009: afaik, you need to make one large wallpaper
[21:34] <gsp2009> crdlb: so if I want both the be different, just GIMP together with the seam in the middle?
[21:36] <amereservant> Can anyone help with Nvidia X server settings > Enable Xinerama?  I have dual-monitors with my primary on the right and the secondary on the left, which is configured as a Separate X screen and using Xinerama.  The problem is I cannot move my mouse pointer to the screen on the left.  Just downloaded and installed 10.04.
[21:37] <gsp2009> amereservant: you enable TwinView?
[21:38] <amereservant> gsp2009, No, I'm using Seperate X screen since I want it to extend the primary screen.
[21:38] <amereservant> TwinView would defeat the purpose of dual monitors.
[21:38] <amereservant> I don't need one for each eye.
[21:38] <amereservant> Now I will state this....
[21:39] <||arifaX> amereservant: a tipp. try to get your screen set on the command line with xrandr before trying the gui-tools. they mess up everything
[21:39] <gsp2009> amereservant: ok then. Have fun with that.
[21:40] <amereservant> It DID work fine before I re-located the second screen from "right-of-main" to "left-of-main".
[21:40] <uspenok> lucid rc, last update, monitor offs on sturt up. Any tips ? (nomodest doesn't work)
[21:41] <Jake2|cfl> what JVM pkg name should I get for lucid?
[21:42] <coz_> gsp2009,  is this gnome or kde?
[21:42] <amereservant> ||arifaX, I get the error RandR extension missing.
[21:42] <gsp2009> coz_: gnome
[21:43] <amereservant> I'll try the other driver since there's two for my Nvidia 8800GT
[21:43] <coz_> gsp2009,  mm  unless you use separate xscreens and not twinview   then you will have to created a wallpaper in gimp by stitching two papers together
[21:43] <gsp2009> coz_: ok thanks... my second monitor is extended with twinview.
[21:43] <_Quartz_> Is there an implementation of RSA SecurID Token on Linux?
[21:44] <coz_> gsp2009,  same here   and I generally just get widescreen papers so it stretches  but  hold I have a site for wallpapers that are already separated hold on
[21:44] <amereservant> I've got both (version 173) and (version current)[Recommended], which the second one is what I'm currently using.
[21:44] <gsp2009> coz_: I will just see if I can create an image. Ok cool. thanks.
[21:44] <myk_robinson> I installed the RC a few days ago, and since then have been unable to burn audio cds. Any ideas?
[21:45] <coz_> gsp2009,  you will find many here   http://www.mandolux.com/  just keep  hitting the "previous"  button above to see them
[21:45] <||arifaX> how can I reload KDE menu without logging off?
[21:45] <amereservant> I've battled with this issue for three versions now and hoped it'd finally be resolved in 10.04.....
[21:45] <gsp2009> coz_: perfect.. thanks!
[21:47] <apparle> !final
[21:47] <apparle> !lucid
[21:48] <gsp2009> coz_: so you just gimp a right and left together then span?
[21:49] <coz_> gsp2009,  ah well I was thinking you take the left secitoin of one wallpper and the right seciton of another  and stitch them together   ...to do that you would have to create an empty  image i
[21:49] <coz_> gsp2009,  in gimp  then copy and paste each side into that new image  and move them to touch in center
[21:50] <gsp2009> coz_: :) nice
[21:50] <coz_> gsp2009,  I have dont this in the past...its not difficult...just painstaking sometimes to get the images cemtered and aligned properly
[21:51] <gsp2009> coz_: working on one now... 3840x1200
[21:51] <coz_> gsp2009,  what I would is create on and save it but dont close out of gimp until you test it to see if in fact it is aligned properly
[21:51] <amereservant> Here's my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if someone is willing to take a look: http://pastebin.com/uytqwSX9
[21:52] <M0DCM-Dave> Any news about the Poulsbo problem?
[21:55] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, what problem would that be?
[21:55] <Gerrit> Hi. On a nearly fresh Ubuntu 10.04 I get a dependency error when trying to install vim-latexsuite: 'texlive-binaries depends on tex-common (>= 2.00); however: Package tex-common is not configured yet.'. Is this a bug or not?
[21:56] <Spreadsheet_> You need to configure latex-common
[21:56] <M0DCM-Dave> When will Canonical fix the Poulsbo/GMA500 for us Netbook users
[21:56] <bjsnider> canonical doesn't write graphics drivers
[21:57] <gsp2009> coz_: worked like a charm. I love having dual monitors. I have spanned the wallpaper across. Thanks for your help.
[21:57] <M0DCM-Dave> But they implemented Xorg 1.7 that doesn't support the GMA500
[21:58] <bp0> canonical doesnt write ...
[21:58] <bp0> anything
[21:58] <jpds> bp0: There's this thing called Launchpad.
[21:58] <M0DCM-Dave> I understand that, but before they implemented Xorg 1.7 Poulsbo worked
[21:59] <haytjes> hi
[21:59] <perscitus> Does ggrub support 1440x900?
[21:59] <Gerrit> Spreadsheet_: How?
[21:59] <Spreadsheet_> dunno
[21:59] <M0DCM-Dave> 10.04 runs as slow as a dog on the GM500 out of the box
[22:00] <perscitus> M0DCM-Dave.-> What do you expect on a netbook
[22:01] <M0DCM-Dave> well, UNR 10.04 is as slow
[22:02] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, you need to be addressing poulsbo questions to the intel corporation. it is their purview
[22:02] <M0DCM-Dave> and I did
[22:02] <bjsnider> what did they say?
[22:02] <M0DCM-Dave> they told me to go to my Distro
[22:03] <gsp2009> perscitus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=670508&postcount=2
[22:03] <bjsnider> interesting, interesting...
[22:03] <perscitus> gsp2009.->  grub2
[22:03] <M0DCM-Dave> I thought you'd find it as interesting as I did
[22:03] <haytjes> How is the policy of RC in ubuntu? Is it like in FF? Like the last RC becomes the new version. So everything in the RC is like the real release. Only thing that stops it from being THE release is maybe a bug that should get fixed?
[22:04] <haytjes> Or does the RC contain some clear indications it is an RC
[22:04] <haytjes> like artwork or so
[22:04] <M0DCM-Dave> Can you see my frustration?
[22:04] <gsp2009> perscitus: right. http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html
[22:04] <M0DCM-Dave> and other Netbook users
[22:04] <crdlb> haytjes: well, that is the definition of a release candidate :)
[22:05] <crdlb> haytjes: afaik, there is no artwork or lsb_release difference, but there have been updates since the RC
[22:06] <gsp2009> perscitus: GRUB_GFXMODE=1440x900x32 maybe?
[22:06] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, you might have to use an old distro, or, gasp..use an operating system made by microsoft
[22:06] <perscitus> gsp2009.->  vbeinfo doesnt show it
[22:06] <M0DCM-Dave> and the thousands of other GM500 netbook users?
[22:06] <haytjes> crdlb: ah ty. Could be ubuntu thought different about RC. Glad they don't :D
[22:07] <coldfire> does anyone know when exactly will 10.4 get released 12 am EST tonight?
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> the bugs have been reported, but nothing as been done
[22:07] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, they're in the same boat. does vesa not even work?
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> thats terrible
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> no compiz or anything
[22:07] <Trewas> M0DCM-Dave: nothing can be done, because intel does not want to fix the poulsbo driver or even release the specs
[22:08] <intangir> i setup a nfs share to share m yhome directory to another machine, i managed to mount the share on the other machine, but my Private directory isnt mounted on the client side, (but it is on the server side)
[22:08] <charlie-tca> coldfire: there is no definite time on any release
[22:08] <M0DCM-Dave> yet Mandriva have it working out of the box in the latest RC
[22:08] <dougb> i don't know if anyone else is having this problem, but i'm having a problem that might be hard to duplicate...
[22:09] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, how did they manage that?
[22:09] <coldfire> charie-tca: ok thanks
[22:09] <M0DCM-Dave> they are using Xorg 1.6.3
[22:09] <M0DCM-Dave> and not 1.7
[22:09] <bjsnider> i figured
[22:10] <lucas-arg1> will we have more updates until final release?
[22:11] <M0DCM-Dave> I'll never go back to Billy "Bob" Gates cronies, so I'll stick with 9.10 till April next year and then throw my 30yrs of computer experience and the netbook in the bin
[22:11] <amereservant> How can I see what is in my gdm log files before sending them with a bug report?
[22:14] <M0DCM-Dave> how about Backporting the Poulsbo drivers that are currently being used to 10.04?
[22:16] <_buck> what's the time for the big event?
[22:16] <crdlb> M0DCM-Dave: you mean the poulsbo driver in 9.10?
[22:16] <M0DCM-Dave> yeah
[22:16] <M0DCM-Dave> would it be possible?
[22:16] <bjsnider> no
[22:17] <crdlb> M0DCM-Dave: first of all, that's not what backport means, and second, it doesn't support lucid's X server
[22:17] <bjsnider> it is not compatible with the new kernels
[22:17] <M0DCM-Dave> you mean the latest Xorg?
[22:19] <jorge> does anyone here know how to change the ubuntu icon next to applications into the old gnome foot? on the new ubuntu lucid?
[22:20] <NinoScript> What will happen with this channel tomorrow?
[22:20] <crdlb> hmm, it looks like mandriva actually has poulsbo working on xserver 1.7
[22:20] <crdlb> NinoScript: it will be closed for a while
[22:21] <M0DCM-Dave> if Mandriva have Xserver 1.7 on Poulsbo working, why haven't Canonical?
[22:21] <NinoScript> crdlb, and #ubuntu+2 will move here?
[22:22] <crdlb> NinoScript: #ubuntu+2?
[22:23] <NinoScript> crdlb, I've always wondered what happens there, it is an "invite-only" channel :P
[22:23] <crdlb> nothing at all :)
[22:24] <Alcor> How do you get to ubuntu-offtopic from here
[22:24] <Alcor> ?
[22:24] <dougb> while playing super tux kart or extreme tux racer, the volume controls begin to act erratic
[22:26] <NinoScript> Alcor, you write /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <jrib> Alcor: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <NinoScript> Alcor, or in most irc clients, just click here: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <Alcor> when i do that it takes me to #ubuntu=regged
[22:26] <Alcor> ubuntu-regged
[22:28] <Alcor> sry ubuntu-unregged
[22:28] <Alcor> i cant type either
[22:29] <crdlb> !register | Alcor
[22:29] <noah_>  hey, I'm using ubuntu 10.04 RC, and I don't have the nice plymouth bootloader when I start up, but I do when I turn it off. Anyone else having this problem?
[22:30] <bjsnider> crdlb, what kernel is mandriva using?
[22:30] <Alcor> I take it you dont have to be registered here?
[22:30] <crdlb> bjsnider: I have no idea
[22:30] <apparle> what is the shorcut for tabbing in KDE4
[22:31] <Alcor> er thx for all the info
[22:31] <crdlb> Alcor: correct; #ubuntu-offtopic has set +r
[22:32] <Alcor> that makes sense
[22:32] <noah_> apparle: I think it's alt-tab, but it depends on what effect you're using.
[22:34] <apparle> noah_: no I am talking about the tabbing feature in which you can tab different application windows like okular and firefox
[22:43] <StrangeCharm> when is 10.4 coming out; it's almost 10.5?
[22:44] <Spreadsheet_> Every time you ask, the release date is pushed back 1 hour
[22:45] <charlie-tca> StrangeCharm: so they have two days yet, right?
[22:45] <jrib> StrangeCharm: it's 10.04, not 10.4 :)
[22:47] <uspenok> monitor offs on start up, nomodesr doesn't work, nvidia 9600gt, tips ?
[22:49] <StrangeCharm> jrib, there are only 12 months, so i don't think that there'll be much confusion?
[22:49] <StrangeCharm> charlie-tca, right, that's what worries me
[22:49] <jrib> StrangeCharm: well you want 10.10 to be a version higher than 10.04
[22:49] <jrib> StrangeCharm: it's scheduled for release on the 29th...
[22:51] <switchgirl> gwibber doesn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/424244/
[22:51] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: WFM :)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> switchgirl:  $ pkill gwibber
[22:52] <BUGabundo> gwibber-service -o -d
[22:52] <brianherman> ONE MORE DAY
[22:52] <BUGabundo> and on a new tab gwibber --debug
[22:52] <brianherman> i am so excited
[22:52] <brianherman> its like xmas
[22:52] <StrangeCharm> jrib, i appreciate your point, but, in this context, i think that it's not a huge problem. so 9am tomorrow, then i should worry?
[22:52] <jrib> StrangeCharm: at midnight tomorrow in the last place it is midnight in the world you should worry I guess
[22:52] <brianherman> anybody want to help write a booklet in the ubuntu-doc team?
[22:54] <switchgirl> ** Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/accounts.py", line 184, in on_edit_account_save   self.get_account_data()
[22:54] <brianherman> will 10.04 have xen support again?
[22:54] <switchgirl> this was AFTER i killed and restarted it
[22:55] <switchgirl> brianherman, yes if you make it
[22:55] <switchgirl> :P
[22:55] <brianherman> oh
[22:55] <brianherman> well
[22:55] <brianherman> if you become my gf
[22:55] <brianherman> ill make it
[22:55] <brianherman> :p
[22:55] <brianherman> well your probably a guy anyway
[22:55] <brianherman> so
[22:55] <jpds> brianherman: Probably not.
[22:55] <brianherman> you can be my guy friend
[22:55] <switchgirl> ever heard of a LEABIAN?
[22:55] <brianherman> leabian is that a country?
[22:55] <brianherman> oh
[22:55] <brianherman> lesbian
[22:55] <brianherman> schweet lesbians throw great parties
[22:55] <switchgirl> *spelling fail
[22:56] <brianherman> ya lesbians are awesome they have the best parties
[22:56] <brianherman> They bring all their friends and trade naughty things and kiss each other
[22:56] <brianherman> and free beer
[22:56] <BUGabundo> guys, behave
[22:57] <BUGabundo> this is a family channel
[22:57] <brianherman> oops
[22:57] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: humm can you pastebin it please
[22:57] <brianherman> we should goto ubuntu-offtopic
[22:57] <brianherman> sorry bugabundo
[22:57] <brianherman> M U_U M
[22:57] <Spreadsheet_> Even in offtopic, it's o4o
[22:57] <switchgirl> gwibber doesn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/424244/
[22:57] <Spreadsheet_> There's no where for this kind of talk! >:)
[22:57] <zubuntz> chatroulette.com?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: apt-cache policy gwibber
[22:58] <BUGabundo> zubuntz: come one!!!
[22:58] <brianherman> Do you like switches switch girl?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> do we really need to start kicking ppl ?
[22:58] <brianherman> oops
[22:58] <brianherman> sorry
[22:58] <BUGabundo> !OT | brianherman
[22:58] <zubuntz> Successful troll is successful.
[22:58] <switchgirl> gwibber:  Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1  Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1  Version table: *** <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 0        500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:58] <BUGabundo> consider your selfs warned, ok ?
[22:59] <brianherman> Uh I got a question about 10.04 what is the status of kvm?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: install and make use of pastebinit
[22:59] <brianherman> Is it like super easy now to use kvm?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: I need the pastebin of gwibber-services -d -o
[23:00] <switchgirl> :~$ gwibber-service -o -d Found gwibber-service already running, exiting
[23:00] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: pkill it
[23:02] <brianherman> What is gwibber?
[23:02] <brianherman> !gwibber
[23:02] <maco> brianherman: twitter/identica/facebook/flickr/etc client
[23:02] <maco> i think its how the me menu works
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ...statusnet
[23:02] <maco> BUGabundo: thats in "etc"
[23:02] <brianherman> oh cool
[23:04] <switchgirl> BUGabundo, :)
[23:12] <_pHI_> is it out? is it out? ;)
[23:13] <Spreadsheet_> No
[23:13] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: stop trolling
[23:13] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: whatever
[23:13] <rww> _pHI_: #ubuntu-release-party :)
[23:14] <h4f> how do I move my current /boot folder to my new /boot partition ?
[23:14] <drbobb> what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap?
[23:14] <Guest53826> Once it comes, I'm going to fix this mess of a installation I have :/
[23:14] <Guest53826> Hurry the heck up!
[23:14] <_pHI_> i just wish they had trim support in the kernel for us SSD users
[23:15] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: it won't
[23:15] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: i find that sad
[23:15] <BUGabundo> nobody cared enough to file an wishbug
[23:16] <rww> drbobb: cdebootstrap is written in C, I think the other one is shellscripts or something
[23:16] <Oxymoron> Uhm, is all Ubuntu servers down? :D I cant get anything to work on my desktop anymore, not even Kopete :P
[23:16] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: maybe because it's such an obviously needed feature
[23:16] <BUGabundo> its not in .32
[23:16] <rww> it's really not obvious
[23:16] <BUGabundo> so its not included by default
[23:16] <drbobb> rww: but functionally, they're equivalent?
[23:16] <rww> drbobb: looks like it
[23:17] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: they do have some .33 backports in there (DRM)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:18] <BUGabundo> nobody cared enough to file an wishbug
[23:18] <_pHI_> morons
[23:19] <BUGabundo> !coc | _pHI_
[23:19] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: thanks
[23:20] <rww> If you don't ask, you don't get, and it makes no sense to complain that you don't get. The developers are not all-knowing, cannot anticipate every user need.
[23:20] <bjsnider> well, i am
[23:20] <_pHI_> rww: where do i file a request for a .33 trim backport? i'll do it right now
[23:21] <drbobb> oh, there's also a multistrap - seems even better
[23:21] <rww> _pHI_: it's purely a kernel thing, right?
[23:21] <_pHI_> rww: yes
[23:21] <rww> _pHI_: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug?no-redirect
[23:22] <rww> Alright, I gtg. I'm sure the other people in here can help with that better than me anyway :)
[23:26] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[23:26] <_pHI_> just submitted one
[23:26] <_pHI_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/571476
[23:27] <JetPackTuxedo> Was hibernate removed from 10.04?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> JetPackTuxedo: no
[23:27] <BUGabundo> wfm
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> BUGabundo, It isn't in my menu with suspend, restart, shutdown, and logoff
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I have it
[23:29] <BUGabundo> what GPU and drivers?
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> Nvidia
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> and the newest ones
[23:29] <BUGabundo> driver?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> blob? or NV
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> NV
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> I can have the number in a minute
[23:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: can you help him ?
[23:30] <pcrov> JetPackTuxedo: is your swap partition as least as big as your ram?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> oh rigt
[23:30] <BUGabundo> forgot that
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> I forgot to set up swapspace
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> that explains it
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> haha
[23:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> thanks guys
[23:30] <BUGabundo> good luck
[23:30] <bjsnider> nv is just a temporary solution until you install the blob
[23:31] <JetPackTuxedo> huh?
[23:31] <bjsnider> nv is just a temporary solution until you install the blob
[23:31] <bjsnider> do not use nv as your nvidia driver
[23:31] <JetPackTuxedo> what's wrong with the nvidia drivers?
[23:32] <bjsnider> use nouveau or the bob
[23:32] <bjsnider> blob
[23:32] <KB1JWQ> blob.
[23:32] <JetPackTuxedo> nouveau doesn't have 3D acceleration
[23:32] <JetPackTuxedo> unless they added it since I tried it
[23:32] <bjsnider> neither does nv
[23:33] <BUGabundo> JetPackTuxedo: there's an experimental version of nouveau with 3D support
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> Ohhh
[23:33] <BUGabundo> in the xedgers PPA
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> huh
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> I'll check it out
[23:33] <BUGabundo> *experimental*
[23:34] <JetPackTuxedo> you guys rock ^.^
[23:34] <JetPackTuxedo> BUGabundo, even experimental is better. NVidia is slow. Nouveau ran great when I had it, but I couldn't run compiz, so I left it.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob is fast here
[23:36] <BUGabundo> faster then nouveau
[23:46] <bjorn> is kde trying to drive users away?  i tried to install lucid, but kmail is completely non-functional, with some akonadi issue
[23:46] <brianherman> how to i update the time in ubuntu from the command line in 10.04 i am getting errors with time
[23:48] <MJEvans> I have a sort of odd question.   I'll be attending a Lanch Party for Ubuntu Lucid Thrs night.  I want to download anything I can early so that I just need to grab a little bit to have a complete CD image.  Will there be a jigdo download for the final image that I can use an RC image for?
[23:49] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, BUGabundo crimsun h00k IdleOne rww yofel (everyone I forgot to mention) - before this channel closes, I just wanted to say "Thank you all" for sharing your knowledge and experience with Ubuntu over the past few months in this channel.  I have learned a great deal from #ubuntu+1 over this time, and have enjoyed becoming more involved with the Ubuntu community.  Prior to Lucid I didn't even have a LaunchPad account.  Thank you all!
[23:49] <MJEvans> ZykoticK9: it doesn't close though.  It'll stick around for Ubuntu MM whatever that is.
[23:50] <yofel> it closes for a few weeks (until uds usually)
[23:50] <yofel> ZykoticK9: thanks, and thanks for all the time you spent here too, hope to see you again :)
[23:51] <BUGabundo> we all too ZykoticK9
[23:51] <BUGabundo> NOW STOP THE SPAM :)
[23:51] <yofel> ^^
[23:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: no. until toolchain
[23:51] <BUGabundo> you would cut my wrists if it was until UDS
[23:52] <yofel> well, I only followed the pre-alpha discussion since lucid, and I remember the channel opening somewhere around uds-l so I might be wrong
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ORLY?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I've been doing +1 from start for a few cycles
[23:55] <BUGabundo> maybe 7.10
[23:55] <BUGabundo> 7.04 I was in alpha2
[23:55] <BUGabundo> 6.10 beta
[23:55] <westinghouse> it takes a lot of time to update
[23:56] <yofel> me too, but for intrepid I was here since beta, jaunty alpha3, karmic alpha1, and lucid pre-alpha, but 6 months are a long time so my memory might fail me
[23:56] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I'm all teary-eyed
[23:56] <h00k> :3
[23:57]  * BUGabundo tries to match codenames to versions
[23:57] <yofel> they're correctly sorted :P
[23:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: for lucid I was here since day two... november 2th
[23:57] <BUGabundo> karmic come out on the 29th
[23:58] <westinghouse> a petaflop of files
[23:58] <Ken8521_> 6.06=dapper, 6.10=edgy, 7.04=feisty, 7.10=gutsy,8.04=hardy,8.10-intrepid,9.04=jaunty,9.10=karmic,10.04=lucid
[23:58] <yofel> really? I got redirected to #ubuntu until uds, maybe you're on the invite list? (ubuntu member only maybe?)
[23:58] <bjsnider> Ken8521_, what about breezy and warty?
[23:58] <westinghouse> what follows after zoophilic zebra?
[23:59] <Ken8521_> bjsnider, those don't count.. ubuntu sucked back then
[23:59] <Ken8521_> lol
[23:59] <westinghouse> aarkward aard?
[23:59] <yofel> arctic ara
[23:59] <Ken8521_> what makes you think it will be zoophilic zebra?
[23:59] <yofel> wait, that doesn't exist...


[00:10] <ali1234> http://spaceappschallenge.org/
[00:10] <ali1234> even nasa wants in on this bubble
[00:55] <cocoa117> anyone know kde-config is still in ubuntu 11.10?
[02:51] <Mostovoi> hi
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> Good morning everyone!
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[08:12] <AlanBell> morning
[08:40] <popey> AlanBell: yummy eggs thanks
[08:40] <AlanBell> :)
[09:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:42] <AlanBell> evryone filled this in? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/
[10:53] <AlanBell> tempted by one of these http://www.ebuyer.com/268244-ocz-120gb-agility-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-120g-agt3-25sat3-120g
[11:00] <popey> you got that spam too huh?
[11:00] <popey> thats what I have in my thinkpad
[11:00] <popey> (the 240GB version)
[11:00] <popey> it's double-plus quick
[11:00] <AlanBell> yeah, might go for a 240GB
[11:01] <AlanBell> just doing an analysis of what the 250GB in /home/alan actuall is
[11:01] <popey> heh
[11:01] <popey> i did the same
[11:01] <popey> /dev/sda1            216G  153G   53G  75% /
[11:01] <AlanBell> I think I can remove a heap of old/duplicate VM images
[11:01] <popey> not basd
[11:01] <popey> *bad
[11:01] <popey> yeah, VM, ISO, music and photo is what eats mine
[11:02] <popey> so i unsubbed from my Ubuntu One Pictures folder and deleted all my photos
[11:02] <popey> now I just let my desktop sync those, it has 1TB of rust and 120GB of ssd as root
[11:02] <AlanBell> 6GB photos and 1.3GB of music, it isn't that. 20GB in Downloads.
[11:03] <AlanBell> 4GB in desktop (which consists of various levels, where I occasionally create a folder called "desktop crap" on the desktop and drag everything into it
[11:03] <AlanBell> )
[11:03] <AlanBell> I have no idea how deep that tree goes
[11:08] <popey> haha, i do that too
[11:08] <popey> which I have now moved to my server as "unsorted crap"
[11:14] <gordonjcp> heh
[11:14] <gordonjcp> yup, sounds familiar
[11:15] <gordonjcp> also, do you do that thing where you go "ah, I'll wipe this drive, but I'll just copy /home somewhere first..."
[11:15] <shauno> and then never touch 'oldhome' ever again
[11:15] <gordonjcp> only to find that its /home contains several layers of going "ah, I'll just copy /home..."
[11:22] <jacobw> morning
[11:23] <jacobw> i don't seem to have /home management problems
[11:23] <gordonjcp> I don't either
[11:24] <gordonjcp> I just have multiple backups
[11:24] <jacobw> i just acquire things and order them by title and date if i think i might want  them again
[11:26] <jacobw> looking at moore's law on wikipedia, i now know who g. e. moore is
[11:30] <AlanBell> 131GB of virtualbox VMs
[11:31] <AlanBell> 20GB .thunderbird which is a bit more than I thought it would be
[11:33] <popey> yes gordonjcp
[11:34] <popey> drwx------ 1 root root   0 Apr 21 11:24 needs_sorting
[12:10] <dutchie> ooh AlanBell that looks tempting
[12:16] <AlanBell> SSD is quite hard to choose
[12:19] <cocoa117> anyone know how to install kde-config package in ubuntu 11.10 64 bit? it appears in kde4 doesn't have kde-config anymore, it only exist in kde3
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I've ordered an Intel 330 120GB
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because I like my current Intel 520
[12:22] <AlanBell> cocoa117: tried the #kubuntu channel?
[12:47] <penguin42> cocoa117: I can see there are still kde-config-whatever modules for individual bits
[12:48] <cocoa117> penguin42, yes, but when actually run apt-get install, it doesn't have the package
[12:49] <penguin42> cocoa117: apt-get install on which package?
[12:51] <cocoa117> penguin42, sudo apt-get install kdelibs4c2a
[12:52] <cocoa117> penguin42, i was first searching package content with kde-config, and it shows this package contain it
[12:52] <penguin42> cocoa117: oh this is 11.10 - hmm, I've got 12.04 on here and we're upto kdelibs5
[12:52] <penguin42> cocoa117: I never used kde-config - what does it do?
[12:53] <cocoa117> penguin42, i was compiling a package for Kaffeine, which in the ./configure it said it need kde-config
[12:54] <penguin42> hmm not sure
[12:55] <ali1234> trey kdelibs-bin
[12:55] <ali1234> ~info kdelibs-bin oneiric
[12:55] <ali1234> !info kdelibs-bin oneiric
[12:57] <cocoa117> ali1234, lubotu3, it have already installed and no kde-config found
[13:41] <popey> afternoon
[13:41] <mgdm> 'ello
[13:51] <mgdm> popey: didn't know you were in Young Dracula! http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvs3lj1kex1qzuidpo3_500.jpg :P
[13:51] <mgdm> (see while channel surfing, obv...)
[13:51] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[13:52] <pr0ph3t> how can I remotely control my dad's ubuntu machine, considering he doesn't know much about computers? What's the easiest way? We are both behind routers and he wouldn't know how to forward a port
[13:53] <pr0ph3t> obviously I can try and explain to him step by step what to do
[15:25] <SuperEngineer> afternoon all
[15:25] <penguin42> Hey Super
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> recently convinced a hardened Windows user [with all ingrained fears] to switch to "us" - the final convincincer was showing him there *is"* a graphical virus scanner if wanted.
[15:29]  * daubers shouts at copy dialogues
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> - thought I'd run it on *my* 12.04 & guess what - picked upp up 2 suspicious files from a fooder I use as backup fpr works [windoze] docs
[15:29]  * SuperEngineer sniggers loud &good
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> fooder?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> please red folder
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:30] <daubers> Silly thing. A copy dialogue has hidden itself and using the unity hoe folder icon (right click, show copy dialogue) doesn't bring it back
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> "hoe folder"
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> is that where you keep your adult themed pictures?
[15:31] <daubers> No, it's the one about garden tools :p
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[15:32] <SuperEngineer> darn - that was getting interesting
[15:33]  * SuperEngineer was calling out of window at humvees, "heya hoe folder"
[15:33]  * SuperEngineer slps wrist
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Location_Protocol ?
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> Mari
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> ?
[15:36] <SuperEngineer> [my version of "growl"]
[15:37] <SuperEngineer> [say it - it sounds good with animal brain switched on
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, what's dutch for "Marl"?
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea
[15:38] <jacobw> the weather is just not good enough to sit in the park :(
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: What is it in English?
[15:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Just lower your standards a bit! :)
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> it's "Marl"
[15:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Sure, but what category of things is it part of?
[15:39] <jacobw> this is trivial example of recursion
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, you need to learn speed sun bathing - or cloud dodging - or hiding behind trees from wind!
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Going for a run always works for me -- I stop caring about rain after a few miles :)
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, for recursion, see...
[15:40] <jacobw> i'm glad that it's brighter now than it was before the daylight saving switch
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: According to Google Translate, "marl" is "mergel" which is a kind of stone
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Limburg is full of it (or used to be, anyway)
[15:41] <jacobw> i want to start running this summer
[15:41]  * SuperEngineer checks home for a "daylight saving switch"
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Running in summer is great, except for the 35°C-days
[15:42] <jacobw> i'll be living in rural bavaria, show it may one of few activities available on weekday evenings
[15:42] <jacobw> s/show/so
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Beer will be another :)
[15:42] <jacobw> :D
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS, a kind of stoned sounds more fun - oh only I was younger
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> *if only
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> O..kay
[15:45] <jacobw> openwrt
[15:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/ openwrt
[15:45] <czajkowski> c
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> Days away from 12.04 - I *know* I oughta delete my beta & reinstall... but after all that work, the bug hunts, the configuring to my exact liking ...
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer sulks
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: why delete the beta?
[15:47] <jacobw> what is supported by openwrt that doess adsl?
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> half my brain keeps shouting "fresh start"
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: look on their table of hardware page :)
[15:48] <jacobw> precise is frozen now
[15:49] <SuperEngineer> jacobw, yup - it's that cold *everywhere* - even in Ubutuland
[15:50]  * jacobw walks to bank
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> when's the "point release"?
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> coz right now methinks it still abit buggy
[15:52] <AlanBell> in what way?
[15:52] <AlanBell> I know of a few
[15:52] <jacobw> every release-date+3months
[15:52] <jacobw> wrong
[15:53] <jacobw> every 6 months starting 3 months after the release date
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell, not the main distro - the apps available
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> ...they still haven't caught u
[15:53] <SuperEngineer> up
[15:54] <AlanBell> well there is a bit of a slow restructuring to get "apps" in and updated through a different process altogether
[15:54]  * SuperEngineer kicks this dirty keyboard
[15:55] <AlanBell> the apps review board is an attempt to do that but I am not sure how well it is going
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> yeh... that much I know - but I'm an optimist
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:56]  * SuperEngineer hunts synaptic for "clean my darn keyboard" app - but none found :(
[15:57]  * penguin42 hands SuperEngineer a screwdriver and brush
[15:58]  * SuperEngineer hands SuperEngineer a virtual can of air duster... but you know... that old fable re the cobbler's shoes *does* hold true
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> ?
[16:01] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Cobbler being one who repairs shoes, and the old fable is that the cobblers shoes are the worst
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> this explains why wifi at work sucks ;)
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> (I work at an ISP)
[16:01] <penguin42> exactly
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> Also, why GPRS/3G reception is non-existent (building = owned KPN)
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> and why I had to cry tears of blood when a sysadmin(!) coworker upgraded his maverick box (to natty, oneiric, precise) and Nvidia drivers were broken
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> btw thanks penguin42 for explaination - was at kettle and coffee cup at the time
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> And he didn't understand unity
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[16:08] <redcap> OK folks, I am after a little help on this one.  I have Ubuntu Server which I am setting up as a test.  I have a shared folder that several users can log into and permissions are set at RW for all users, however when a user saves a file to the folder it is locked to that user as the owner.  I need anyone to be able to edit the file.  All help is appreciated.
[16:17] <penguin42> redcap: Add all your users who can edit to a group, then make sure all the files get owned by that group
[16:18] <penguin42> and make sure they're group read/writeable
[16:24] <redcap> I created a group named linuxusers and added all the users.  In the permissions for the target folder I added the group  and set the permissions, but I have obviously missed something as any file seems to retain the authors permissions?
[16:28] <penguin42> redcap: What does ls -l on the files show?
[16:36] <redcap> owner RW group R other R.  I think I need to look at the group permissions again
[16:41] <penguin42> redcap: Yeh so be careful about the umask
[16:44] <penguin42> is it just me or is there now no way in G+ to browse photos in your circles albums?
[16:45] <redcap> permissions on the folder for the group seem to be set but it does not see to recursively (sp?) set the permissions for individual files saved there?
[16:46] <penguin42> redcap: Correct, those perms get set when something creates them
[16:46] <penguin42> redcap: how are your users writing to this folder? ftp? webdav? nfs?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> files uploading to my server at a whopping 400bytes/s
[17:00] <dogmatic69> 70kb/17mb 8 hours remaining \o/
[17:00] <penguin42> you using IP over avian carrier?
[17:01] <dogmatic69> I swapped my router for a sponge
[17:01] <redcap> Chaps, thanks for your help, having set the folders permissions again, it seems to be working now.  All the best.
[17:13] <dogmatic69> oooh, up to 1kb/s now
[17:14] <dogmatic69> ah, just figured out the problem. busy updating and its using all the bandwidth
[17:14] <dogmatic69> 600mb update today :(
[17:19] <reaper4334> Does anyone know how I can get a direct link to the ICQ for Linux download?
[17:19] <reaper4334> The link on the page http://www.icq.com/download/linux/en doesn't seem to do anything, and it's a flash application so I can't just read the source to find the file location
[17:25] <gordonjcp> reaper4334: why not just use something like empathy?
[17:25] <reaper4334> I tried Empathy and Pidgin, but neither seem to allow Group Chat with ICQ
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> ssshhhhh!
[20:27] <jacobw> evening
[20:34] <popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk
[20:34] <popey> golly
[20:36] <penguin42> good idea to release on a Thursday, Fridays are a bad day to release
[20:37] <daubers> bleh, spending the evening looking at uplighters is dull
[20:37] <penguin42> ikea splurgle splurt uplighters?
[20:37] <popey> hope they do finally do steam for linux
[20:37] <daubers> penguin42: screwfix splurgle splurgle
[20:37] <popey> and some games
[20:37] <daubers> popey: Steam on linux would definatley be ftw
[20:37] <popey> see link above
[20:38] <hamitron> there is news on steam for linux?
[20:38] <popey> 21:34:12 < popey> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4OTk
[20:38] <popey> looks like there will be this week
[20:38] <hamitron> :D
[20:38] <bigcalm> popey: work in progress: https://github.com/bigcalm/irssi-proxy-backlog-monitor
[20:38] <hamitron> they should let someone embed wine too
[20:39] <bigcalm> Patches welcome (tm)
[20:39] <popey> heh
[20:39] <popey> does it work?
[20:40] <bigcalm> Current status: handles proxy client connect/disconnect. Starts recording backlog upon client disconnect.
[20:40] <bigcalm> Todo: send back log to proxy client upon reconnect
[20:40] <bigcalm> popey: partly :D
[20:40] <popey> heh
[20:40] <popey> do you need to record it?
[20:40] <popey> can't you just note the time?
[20:41] <popey> and spew from the log at them?
[20:41] <bigcalm> They might not have logging enabled
[20:41] <bigcalm> I know I don't
[20:41] <popey> hmm
[20:42] <bigcalm> But yes, that is a possible option instead of writing ones own logs
[20:42] <bigcalm> But it still leaves me needing to send conect to the proxy client
[20:42] <bigcalm> Not wroked that bit out yet
[20:44] <jacobw> i think many counter strike people are linux people
[20:46] <penguin42> should give the graphics driver guys some good testing :-)
[20:46] <jacobw> ha
[20:47] <penguin42> jacobw: Some packages really need very very extensive testing!
[20:47] <hamitron> jacobw, doesn't the fact many on linux can already play games, mean it is a waste of resources porting steam and games?
[20:47] <hamitron> :/
[20:48] <jacobw> i don't think so
[20:49] <hamitron> hope not
[20:49] <hamitron> :)
[20:50] <jacobw> people who use linux and play games will be happier if they do both of those things together
[20:50] <hamitron> ofc
[20:50] <hamitron> but it may not mean so many extra sales
[20:50] <jacobw> linux people make other people like the things that they like
[20:51] <penguin42> hamitron: It might, it might be worth a try though - although they'll have to also deal with different support as well; having said that I bet a lot of the guys who write it are Linux guys anyway
[20:51] <jacobw> if linux people like steam, then linux people will make other people like steam, which is good for valve and people who like their games
[20:51] <jacobw> :D
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> whoa.. big train crash
[20:51] <jacobw> i.e. me
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> 136 wounded
[20:52] <hamitron> where?
[20:54] <jacobw> amsterdam
[20:54] <jacobw> head on :o
[20:54] <hamitron> ah, ok
[20:54] <hamitron> well, not ok obviously
[20:54] <hamitron> ;/
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Head-on collision
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Wonder how that happened...
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> maybe the new Siemens train (the white one) still had software problems after all (making it possible to cross a red signal)
[21:00] <hamitron> or maybe the signal couldn't be seen easy
[21:00] <mgdm> there's far more to it than seeing signals
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> then the train stops
[21:00] <mgdm> all kinds of interlocks
[21:00] <hamitron> or maybe the wrong type of rain caused a junction to act weird
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> The "transport safety council" has opened an investigation
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> we'll see
[21:01] <hamitron> :)
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17799940
[21:18] <brobostigon> one flew over cuckoo's nest, interesting film.
[21:19] <MarquessDeBonBon> Old film.
[21:19] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:20] <brobostigon> 75.
[21:20] <zleap> is thsat got jack nicolson in it
[21:20] <MarquessDeBonBon> Did anybody watch El Clásico?
[21:20] <brobostigon> zleap: yes.
[21:23] <zleap> we watched that at school
[21:23] <zleap> that
[21:23] <zleap> grr
[21:38] <jacobw> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-in-uproar-over-oral-sex-antismoking-posters-1908559.html
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: 2 years ago
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> WEDNESDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2010
[21:41] <jacobw> google news
[21:41] <jacobw> actually i can't remember how i got there
[21:41] <jacobw> it started with google news
[21:43] <jacobw> i see, google news links to the independent which links to facebook which links to the most popular stories from the independent on facebook at this time
[21:43] <jacobw> simples :D


[03:24] <smooth-texan> howdy all quick question  when developing a UI in GTK, is glade recommended or not?
[20:25] <bakuman> Hi, any help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/177878/quickly-treeview-and-treestore-entry-text-not-showing


[09:23] <sakha> so i dunno if this is the correct channel for asking this question
[09:24] <sakha> but has anyone tried installing ubuntu onto an ntfs partition?
[09:24] <sakha> i mean on a file mounted as etx3 on a writable ntfs partition


[02:24] <kiwi_> Hi, am trying to build a custom kernel (4.4.20).. for kdump, ie, a crash kernel
[02:25] <kiwi_> Trouble is, am facing all kinds of issues when the kexec'd kernel boots - mainly to do with config and kernel cmdline params to pass
[02:26] <kiwi_> Is there a specific kernel config file available for the Ubuntu crash kernel image?
[02:28] <kiwi_> specifically, for Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial)
[02:56] <n0c> hey all, can someone refer me to a guide on the current, supported way of customizing a kernel on ubuntu? (xenial, but looking to get 4.10 kernel) preferably from a kernel-source package versus a git checkout?
[03:24] <n0c> well it looks like actually there isn't a source package beyond 4.4 so... git it is
[09:31] <lag> ppisati: Hi
[09:31] <lag> ppisati: ogra_ asked me to ping you
[09:31] <lag> ppisati: Could you tell me all the kernel config options required for Snappy please?
[09:31] <lag> ppisati: Is there a Wiki?
[09:32] <ogra_> i think there was a script actually
[09:33] <ogra_> lag, it could even be that these scripts are integrated into the snapcraft plugin ... https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/master/demos/96boards-kernel/snapcraft.yaml has a demo snapcraft.yaml
[09:34] <ogra_> (but i'm, not actually sure that checks for all config options, so better wait for ppisati's answer :) )
[09:34] <lag> ogra_: Thanks
[09:46] <ppisati> lag: or here - https://github.com/snapcore/sample-kernels
[09:46] <ppisati> lag: look under kernel/config/snaps
[09:47] <ppisati> *kernel/config/snappy
[09:52] <ogra_> ppisati, heh, you should really change CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m there
[09:52] <ogra_> so people are not forced to put that into the initrd
[10:03] <ppisati> ogra_: yeah, i need to update the configs there
[10:03] <ppisati> ogra_: probably next week i'll push an update to the AA stuff, and i'll bundle the config chanfges
[10:03] <ogra_> +1
[10:08] <lag> ppisati: Thanks
[12:52] <caribou> Hello, I need to do a bissect on the 4.8 mainline kernel
[12:52] <caribou> what is the quickest way to only rebuild the vmlinuz bisected file w/o all the modules ?
[12:53] <caribou> mainline or our own kernel for that matter so either one  is fine
[12:54] <rtg> caribou, CONFIG_MODULES=n ?
[12:55] <rtg> there is no split in the build between built-in and modules. its just the one call to the kernel makefile
[12:55] <caribou> rtg: cool, thanks
[12:56] <rtg> or, you could do a native build after generating the config, then 'make vmlinuz'
[12:56] <rtg> caribou, I often do something like this:
[12:56] <rtg> fdr clean prepare-generic
[12:56] <rtg> cp debian/build/build-generic/.config .
[12:56] <rtg> make oldconfig scripts prepare
[12:57] <rtg> make vmlinuz
[12:58] <caribou> rtg: great; will try that
[12:58] <caribou> rtg: something has changed in the /proc/vmcore elf representation which breaks makedumpfile (or at least make it spit tons of errors)
[14:24] <sajoupa> Hi, linux-image-generic-lts-yakkety fails ot install on xenial, which I believe is due to its absence from linux-lts-yakkety - 4.8.0-25.27~16.04.1 in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[14:24] <sajoupa> ^ apw / rtg I've been told that you were the right guys to ping about it
[14:26] <rtg> sajoupa, how does it fail to install ? missing dependencies ?
[14:26] <sajoupa> rtg: yes
[14:26] <rtg> sajoupa, apw pointed out that I might have uploaded the meta package to the wrong pocket.
[14:26] <rtg> lemme check
[14:26] <sajoupa> https://pastebin.canonical.com/168001/
[14:27] <rtg> indeed I did
[14:31] <rtg> sajoupa, I've uploaded a new version. Give it an hour or so to publish.
[14:31] <sajoupa> rtg: cool, thanks !
[15:07] <sajoupa> rtg: installing fine now
[15:08] <rtg> sajoupa, ack
[15:33] <michael-vb> Hello there.  Sorry if this is the wrong channel for "user questions", but I installed a 32-bit 4.8.0 daily kernel (tested with the 11 October and the 13 October one actually) and it hangs after grub.
[15:33] <michael-vb> Not a single line from the kernel printed, which makes me think that it is not properly loaded.  The 4.8.0 non-git one boots fine.  Does that bring anything to mind?  Including problems between keyboard and chair...
[15:34] <michael-vb> Just to be clear, 4.8.0 works, 4.8.0-999 does not.
[15:40] <apw> michael-vb, we tend to have a more issues with the debug kernels for sure they are built in an automated way
[15:42] <michael-vb> Right.  I was asking here because it looks like the kernel possibly isn't loaded at all, in which case there might be some easy way to solve it (for me).
[15:43] <apw> though the -999s are dalies if i remember the monenclature correctly, those have whatever random crack is in the aossicated tree that day
[15:43] <michael-vb> Of course, I am certainly not shocked, shocked to find one not working.
[15:44] <michael-vb> Or even two.
[15:44] <apw> depending on the day that could even be the middle of the merge window
[15:46] <michael-vb> But the description of a hang after grub but before the first kernel message is printed does not bring anything to mind?
[15:48] <michael-vb> Actually it does a mode set after selecting the kernel in grub and it hangs on an underscore cursor in the top-left corner.  Does grub trigger that, or would it be the kernel at least starting to boot?
[15:51] <apw> michael-vb, when there is a failed boot grub the next boot hands off with the framebuffer blank with just a cursor
[15:52] <apw> so that could easily be cratering in the first bits of the kernel
[15:53] <michael-vb> Thanks.
[16:30] <nacc> query on the overlay stuff in y -- given that overlayfs is no longer recognized, should there be something that goes into /etc/schroot/chroot.d/ and post-install of an appropriate kernel ensures that it says overlay for each schroot? I guess that could be a sbuild change. Wasn't sure if there was already a bug for this


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[09:20] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue707 links to a dead https://ubuntu.com//blog/taking-ubuntu-for-a-spin-literally
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[22:37] <guiverc> thanks Unit193; it's been removed (spin link; still listed in ubuntu.blog search results so recent removal maybe.. want me to comment out line Bashing-om krytarik ?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Unit193: Checking the link :( will advise.
[22:42] <krytarik> guiverc: Nah, that's on them messing it up I'd say..  If we meddled with the links every time they delete an article..
[22:43] <guiverc> yeah I'm happy to delete it.. it was present when we checked pre-release of uwn
[22:43] <guiverc> sorry typo. happy to IGNORE it
[22:47] <Bashing-om> +1 on the ignore. Looks like however the article has been pulled also from The planet.
[22:49] <krytarik> Yeah, I confirmed it only appears in their own site search still.
[22:51] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Will not take 5 minutes to edit the WIKI and Forum post - that the responsible thing to do ?
[22:52] <krytarik> No, I refuse to edit our issues days after their release only because some Canonical folks thought it necessary to delete an article after about a week..
[22:54] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :D


[04:13] <sbalneav> Evening all
[09:14] <alkisg> !info pastebinit
[14:53] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:38] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[17:09] <thiebaude> hi everyone, can i upgrade 6.06LTS to 8.04LTS ?
[17:11] <sn9> yes, that's part of the point of LTS
[17:12] <sbalneav> thiebaude: I beleive you can upgrade directly from 6.06 to 8.04, but as always, a good set of backups is your friend.
[17:12] <thiebaude> i wasn't sure, im new to edubuntu, been using ubuntu since 6.06
[17:12] <thiebaude> thanks guys
[17:13] <thiebaude> bbl
[18:09] <sn9> ogra: any comments on bug 269853?
[18:09] <ogra> sn9, i didnt touch any of edubuntu since over a year
[18:09] <sn9> you're still admin for the bug team
[18:10] <sn9> and this bug is older
[18:10] <ogra> i dont mind adding/removing people from the team, but i dont have a mainute to work on anything edubuntuish
[18:11] <ogra> apart from that other people maintain edubuntu since a while
[18:11] <sn9> nor do others, it seems, which is how this bug appeared
[18:51] <sbalneav> sn9: this bug's about the console greeter?
[18:52] <sn9> the graphical one
[18:52] <sn9> in gdm
[18:53] <ogra> well, you wont fix it in jaunty and gdm will completely change in karmic
[18:53] <ogra> which means that the edubuntu theme is obsolete
[18:54] <sbalneav> Is gdm changing for karmic?
[18:55] <sn9> this is not about the edubuntu theme
[18:56] <sn9> the gdm-cdd.conf file is screwed up sincehardy
[18:57] <sbalneav> So, from reading the bug, it seems that if you change the style to "plain with faces" it works?
[18:58] <ogra> new gdm wont use gdm-cdd.conf either
[18:58] <sn9> if the style is Human List, the list is empty
[18:59] <sn9> that's the most obvious manifestation of the bug, but there are also more minor issues with the file
[18:59] <sn9> e.g. problematic suspend/hibernate


[00:22] <JanC> Saviq: based on several StackExchange questions & answers it isn't available in Qt and they tell you to use a native platform solution; sounds like a thing they should fix in Qt really...


[07:37] <caribou> blackboxsw: thanks for the precision
[09:39] <shind> is there a way to use "ca_cert" trusted but from an existing file instead of having an inline certificate?
[09:39] <shind> the scenario is to use "bootcmd" and call "aws secretsmanager get-secret-value", parse it, save it as a crt file and then install it using the ca_cert.
[09:39] <shind> i know i can just use the built-in linux command of updating the ca but i wanted to check it cloud_init supports reading from files
[10:40] <meena> sh…
[16:07] <surfzoid> hi
[16:07] <surfzoid> I'm trying to build a deb of my qt project on launchpad, locally on m RPI400 it compil perfect, but sound like launchpad don't manage well rpath : https://launchpadlibrarian.net/657995979/buildlog_ubuntu-kinetic-amd64.qtvsplayer_1.0.39-0~202303271523~ubuntu22.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz i'm a pure noob with deb and launchpad, is there a easy workaround in the deb files?
[16:20] <minimal> surfzoid: that doesn't appear to have anything to do with cloud-init
[16:21] <surfzoid> minimal: i see i see it too late sorry
[18:46] <sbraz> hi, i just filed this bug downstream for fedora 37 but i thought maybe someone here had an idea of how to avoid this kind of problems with NICs taking a long time to come up → https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2182173
[18:46] -ubottu:#cloud-init- bugzilla.redhat.com bug 2182173 in Fedora "cloud-init-local.service fails with 'Unable to find a system nic' with some Mellanox NICs" [Medium, New]
[18:47] <meena> sbraz: which Mellanox NICs? what DataSource?
[18:48] <sbraz> meena: connectx-4/5, NIC details are in the bug report, datasource is a configdrive
[18:50] <sbraz> meena: but i don't think the issue is specific to this nic model, it's more of a "how to ask cloud-init to start when the NICs are actually available" question, and i don't really know
[18:55] <minimal> seems like your change to re-add the udev-settle is the right way
[18:55] <sbraz> minimal: i just don't understand why i'm not hitting this issue with e.g. debian 11 which doesn't use udev settle
[18:55] <sbraz> gotta run, i'll read all this later/tomorrow, thanks for the feedback :)
[18:55] <minimal> (or equivalent that isn't deprecated)
[18:57] <minimal> sbraz: when comparing Fedora and Debian I assume they are both not using the same kernel version, same versions of other software - i.e. too many variables to properly compare
[19:10] <waldi> sbraz: AFAIK, fedora shuffles around when they run stages
[19:11] <waldi> early boot is not stable and cloud-init got some problems there anyway
[23:19] <sbraz> waldi: what do you mean exactly?
[23:19] <sbraz> minimal: that's the thing, i don't know that there is a non-deprecated equivalent
[23:42] <minimal> sbraz: I don't use systemd so can't suggest any alternative to udevadm settle
[23:43] <minimal> I'm guessing different MLX cards take different amounts of time to initialise (e.g. some of them are IB only, some support IB and ethernet). It's been a while since I've played with MLX kit
[23:44] <minimal> I just remember some cards using mlx4 driver and others using mlx5 lol
[23:54] <sbraz> minimal: it really is a matter of seconds, the connectx-3 using mlx4 is fine for instance; maybe i could try to move the driver to the initramfs to speed up its loading time, i'll check
[23:56] <minimal> sbraz: that might reduce the likelyhood of the race condition but it's unlikely to guaranteed its elimination
[23:57] <minimal> I was using MLX cards with cloud-init and don't remember this sort of problem....but that was 5+ years ago lol
[23:59] <sbraz> yeah the correct fix is to wait for nics to be ready, and that's it, no hack or anything


[01:07] <Moc> Latest installer not loading maybe because of my nvidia video card..
[09:41] <ginggs> nvidia visual profiler doesn't work with the default jre (LP: #1766948) - does depending on openjdk-8-jre and running nvvp from a wrapper setting JAVA_HOME and PATH  sound like a reasonable workaround?
[10:04] <ginggs> doko: ^ any suggestion please?
[10:07] <doko> and it needs root privs?
[10:07] <doko> is there an upstream issue open for this?
[10:11] <ginggs> doko: hmm, i didn't receive that message about root privs - they haven't been needed before - will check that
[10:11] <ginggs> doko: I don't know of an upstream issue for not working with latest java, anbe wasn't even aware of it
[10:15] <doko> well, preference would be to get it working with openjdk-10, if not we can have a temporary work around. but I don't like the suggestion with the alternatives ...
[10:20] <ginggs> doko: yeah, I'd rather work around with a wrapper than have everyone update-alternatives, I'll update that bug once we have a better solution.  What does getting it working with openjdk-10 entail?  I have no idea where to start
[10:21] <ginggs> doko: and it doesn't work with openjdk-9 either
[11:35] <rbasak> cpaelzer: on bug 1764668
[11:35] <rbasak> cpaelzer: is it possible that some users have guests that fail to shut down in production? In that case, what will happen to them after this SRU?
[11:36] <rbasak> eg. will the host now not shut down, or they'll have to wait for a timeout and then it will?
[11:37] <cpaelzer> rbasak: hiho
[11:39] <cpaelzer> rbasak: this is a two stage thing
[11:40] <cpaelzer> rbasak: let me explain ...
[11:41] <cpaelzer> before 1.3.1-1ubuntu10.21 there were cases where it could hang on shutdown
[11:41] <cpaelzer> this was fixed and good in that regard, but the fix introduced another issue which was missed
[11:41] <cpaelzer> so the new case is that all guests get a shutdown signal now, but it immediately detects them as shut down and goes on with the systems shutdown
[11:42] <cpaelzer> the latter is fixed by the current SRU
[11:42] <cpaelzer> so currently people might have guests that shut down but too fast go on and shut down the full system
[11:42] <cpaelzer> with the fix it will wait up to timeout (as defined in the config)
[11:43] <cpaelzer> it will not exceed that timeout and hang (as before the last SRU)
[11:43] <cpaelzer> but it will also not go on too fast
[11:43] <cpaelzer> rbasak: did the above eplxain what you wanted to know?
[11:43] <rbasak> Yes, thanks. The case I had in mind can't happen because of the timeout.
[11:44] <cpaelzer> I have tested and examples with timeouts in the bug
[11:46] <rbasak> cpaelzer: would it be fair to consider this bug regression-updates?
[11:47] <cpaelzer> rbasak: yes I think this would be correct in this case
[11:47] <rbasak> OK thanks
[12:04] <rbasak> Looks like libvirt 1.3.1-1ubuntu10.18 in Xenial introduced a spurious empty directory called debian/patches/debian/patches
[12:05] <ogra_`> the redundant redundancy of redundance :)
[12:08]  * rbasak adds debian/patches/debian/patches/ogra_`
[12:08] <ogra_`> haha
[12:08] <rbasak> Or should that be ogra_`_`? :-P
[12:09] <ogra_`> lol
[12:09] <ogra_> np backticks ... backticks are evil :)
[12:09] <ogra_> *no
[12:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I can commit a removal of that dir to git
[12:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: so on next update it will be removed
[12:23] <cpaelzer> (no extra SRU for that
[12:23] <cpaelzer> )
[12:24] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I was pondering suggesting that.
[12:24] <rbasak> But OTOH SRUs are supposed to be minimal and it causes no harm there.
[12:24] <rbasak> So I guess I'm on the fence, and will accept either way.
[12:25] <cpaelzer> I added it to be in next submission
[12:25] <rbasak> OK, thanks
[12:25] <cpaelzer> not worth to reroll anythinf ongoing
[12:25] <rbasak> Agreed
[13:19] <rbasak> coreycb: looking at the SRU queue for bug 1763179 and bug 1760918. I don't follow the user impact of either of those bugs. Please could you expand the SRU information?
[13:24] <coreycb> rbasak: sure np. 1763179 fixes a regression in the fix for 1760918. 1760918 causes an exception but the specific exception is not listed in the bug.
[13:24] <coreycb> rbasak: will get the bug updated
[13:24] <rbasak> Thanks
[14:53] <seyeongkim> hey coreycb rbasak hello, I couldn't touch this but I re-tested this few days ago and xenial and mitaka only got error ( I mean can't create cinder volume ). 1763179's desc only need to be changed? or both of them?
[14:54] <coreycb> seyeongkim: would you mind just clearing up the impact section to make it clear as to what the user impact is?
[14:56] <seyeongkim> ok will do
[15:06] <Moc> loru: going to take more than 1 hours... there is no new daily build yet
[15:14] <seyeongkim> changed it, not sure clear enough coreycb
[15:26] <coreycb> seyeongkim: thanks lgtm. rbasak: impact sections are updated
[15:28] <rbasak> Thanks
[15:28] <rbasak> I'm a bit tied up right now. I'll look when I can
[16:06] <JHOSMAN> How long time is it until the ISO's release of 18.04?
[16:06] <nacc> JHOSMAN: when they do, don't pester
 You could join the #ubuntu-release-party
[18:55] <Moc> wee 20180426 daily build is out ! Downloading it now to see if the installer bug was fixed !
[23:13] <Laney> 🆕
[23:17] <Unit193> sil2100: Missed a spot. ;)
[23:17] <Unit193> 'support and discussion of Trusty-Artful'
[23:18] <Laney> Unit193: be the change
[23:19] <Laney> 👏
[23:20] <krytarik> That's not quite correct either though..
[23:21] <Unit193> krytarik: Gives upper and lower bounds, which is the goal.
[23:21] <krytarik> I think one could very well do without it too.
[23:22] <krytarik> It always gets overlooked anyway!
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Final Freeze? o_O
[23:41] <sarnold> isn't there usually a day or two of "please bugfixes only" kind of upload activity?
[23:45] <dpb1> long live Ubuntu CC?