[00:05] <perlmonkey> hello all, I am running Lubuntu 14.04 and loving it, but I get system errors daily (Toshiba R400) they don't affect the machine or OS or apps, just pop up announcements, anyone else experiencing or any suggestions?
[00:05] <perlmonkey> I don't know what is causing the errors, but I send the reports to Ubuntu when asked to
[00:06] <anarkhos> what errors exactly?
[00:06] <perlmonkey> it just says "experienced a serious system error" or similar
[00:06] <perlmonkey> a small window
[00:07] <perlmonkey> maybe its related to my laptop, the Toshiba R400 is not exactly standard PC architecture, its a hybrid laptop tablet
[00:07] <perlmonkey> im amazed that Lubuntu even supports the touch screen at all
[00:07] <rena_> I get those also sometimes :p
[00:07] <perlmonkey> oh
[00:08] <perlmonkey> well the system seems stable on mine, so i guess other than clicking them, its not an issue
[00:08] <rena_> But I have a standard laptop. But ancient xD
[00:08] <perlmonkey> maybe it slows start up a bit
[00:08] <perlmonkey> im running xfce4
[00:09] <perlmonkey> 2GB RAM, Centrino Duo, this laptop is SLOW compared to my Toshiba netbook Atom 1,6Ghz 1GB ram
[00:10] <perlmonkey> but fastest of all is my Quad Core tablet with 1GB ram again, but that can't run Lubuntu (yet) Android is faster tho
[00:11] <perlmonkey> Windows 7....
[00:12] <perlmonkey> sheesh, that's on my netbook, and every day nearly, I get "critical/important sys updates in progress 1/5 etc" not asked, told.. and my sys is unusable for an hour or so, im sure MS has re-installed Windows 7 3x over already
[00:12] <perlmonkey> heh
[00:13] <perlmonkey> if you have an old laptop, run Linux on a ram disk if goes real fast then
[00:14] <perlmonkey> i booted off USB and loaded into a ramdisk
[00:14] <perlmonkey> on a diskless machine and it ran real fast
[00:14] <perlmonkey> i tried several micro Linux distros designed for USB and ramdisk
[00:15] <perlmonkey> rena_ I guarantee you my laptop is more ancient
[00:16] <perlmonkey> i have a laptop made in 1984 by Apricot, which has a mono matrix LCD, infrared keyboard, voice recognition
[00:16] <perlmonkey> no HDD, only dual 720kb floppy
[00:17] <perlmonkey> also a Toshiba lugable from 1980's with a pleasing orange plasma display EGA and MS-DOS 5
[00:19] <perlmonkey> and a Casio palm PC EM-500 running Windows CE and an A10 mini palm-top laptop style with green backlight LCD and full querty kb
[00:19] <perlmonkey> heh
[00:21]  * perlmonkey collects old puters, got a Compaq laptop too, advanced for its day, 1990s, 3-tone LCD (odd size) with super-thin lid, nice kb and 20GB HDD/640kb ram, DOS 3
[00:21]  * perlmonkey has the most laptop the world ever saw, the Toshiba R500
[00:22] <perlmonkey> thinnest and lightest, until Mac Air came
[00:22] <perlmonkey> *advanced
[00:22] <phillw> !paste
[00:22]  * perlmonkey never pastes
[00:23] <perlmonkey> thats why do many spelling errors xD
[00:23] <perlmonkey> why did they call it Lubuntu and not Ubuntu?
[00:23] <phillw> perlmonkey: then consider a blog?
[00:23] <wxl> perlmonkey: because it's not ubuntu? :)
[00:24] <perlmonkey> oh i have one somewhere, i guess I should update it
[00:24] <perlmonkey> what is different to Lubuntu and Ubuntu?
[00:24] <phillw> perlmonkey: go for the blog!!
[00:24] <perlmonkey> is the org different or the software
[00:24] <wxl> perlmonkey: both
[00:24] <perlmonkey> oh
[00:24] <perlmonkey> so why did you guys break off from the main Ubuntu
[00:25] <perlmonkey> don't like that corp
[00:25] <wxl> perlmonkey: the core and repos are the same but lubuntu is focused on lightweight usage, so it has a much simpler desktop environment, etc
[00:25] <perlmonkey> ahh i see
[00:25] <phillw> perlmonkey: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_VS_Ubuntu
[00:25] <perlmonkey> thanks
[00:25] <wxl> perlmonkey: well, that's where it gets confusing. lubuntu IS ubuntu. or at least it's a official canonical flavor of ubuntu.
[00:26] <perlmonkey> but you just scaled it down for lightweight, like packaged it as a separate distro
[00:26] <perlmonkey> if i understand correct, and its got all separate maintainers etc
[00:26] <perlmonkey> but the same core/code base
[00:26] <perlmonkey> L for lightweight
[00:27] <perlmonkey> I chose it for my laptop hoping it would perform better
[00:27] <perlmonkey> and it does, as well as can be expected on this Centrino which is never fast with any OS
[00:27] <wxl> well it doesn't HAVE to have separate maintainers
[00:27] <wxl> it happens to, but doesn't have to
[00:27] <perlmonkey> but it runs cool and quiet, so you can't have everything eh
[00:27] <perlmonkey> i see
[00:28] <perlmonkey> its better to keep it decentralised I think if you branch off distros
[00:28] <perlmonkey> else it gets too complicated for the people
[00:28] <wxl> well, it's not necessarily a branch
[00:28] <perlmonkey> like a corporation
[00:29] <perlmonkey> but you're pitching it for a different type of hardware and user almost?
[00:29] <wxl> technically, you could take ubuntu and remove stuff and add stuff from the standard repo and end up with lubuntu
[00:29] <perlmonkey> than the standard Ubuntu
[00:29] <perlmonkey> so that needs different people who understand that maybe, i dunno
[00:29] <wxl> well let's ask the question as to why kubuntu and xubuntu exist
[00:30] <phillw> or you could use 'core'
[00:30] <wxl> they don't try to be lighter weight than ubuntu
[00:30] <perlmonkey> is that the Chinese one?
[00:30] <phillw> and then add stuff
[00:30] <wxl> (they sort of end up being as such)
[00:30] <wxl> but they're different UIs really
[00:30] <perlmonkey> I know why there's a Chinese version, so their gov can censor it :P
[00:30] <wxl> it's a matter of preference
[00:31] <wxl> lubuntu takes that and runs with it, with a particular goal in mind
[00:31] <perlmonkey> put all the allowed apps or sites in and its ubuntu with the red star seal of approval
[00:31] <phillw> perlmonkey: kylin (The Chinese one) has a different base point. It expects chinese language and key board etc.
[00:31] <perlmonkey> I have like 10 wdm/desktops on my login options
[00:31] <wxl> if we take the entirety of the canonical repos, you can make ubutnu, lubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, and ubuntu server out of it
[00:31] <perlmonkey> I wanted to try them all
[00:32] <wxl> they're all ubuntus
[00:32] <perlmonkey> i found some faster, but xfce4 has the balance, it feels like a full desktop, but runs fast like a wm
[00:32] <perlmonkey> its perfect
[00:32] <wxl> furthermore all of those flavors are supported by the same canonical infasturcture
[00:33] <perlmonkey> phillw can you guarantee the kylin has no censorship features or limitations imposed by Chinese gov?
[00:33] <wxl> now mint is basically some variation of ubuntu (just like the canonical flavors are; it even pulls from the same repos), plus a few extra little things that are mint specific
[00:34] <perlmonkey> i heard of mint
[00:34] <wxl> however, you can't get it from canonical and though lots of wiki pages can apply to it, the canonical community does not provide support for it
[00:34] <perlmonkey> i was very tempted to go with that for my laptop
[00:34] <perlmonkey> but i decided it was a step too far and i wanted to stay with Ubuntu.com
[00:34] <wxl> the thing is most people aren't going to go playing with different window managers, let alone try figuring out a whole completely different working system
[00:35] <perlmonkey> true
[00:35] <wxl> thus the reason for the different flavors
[00:35] <wxl> it's a distro within a distro is probably the best way to look at it
[00:35] <perlmonkey> it can be a very difficult task to configure
[00:35] <wxl> mint has them, too
[00:35] <perlmonkey> that's why Ubuntu is so good, its better than Windows even, supporting hw windows has trouble with in my case
[00:36] <perlmonkey> i never needed to mess with drivers with Ubuntu ever, with windows, its routine to install half a dozen
[00:36] <phillw> perlmonkey: the code is crawled over by people around the world. Any attempt to put in a 'back door' would be found. It would also embaress the Chinese government who have stated that no such back doors will be permissable and that they want a system that does not have NSA backdoors... As it happens, I trust the Chinese on this one.
[00:37] <wxl> that's pretty much the linux kernel at work
[00:37] <perlmonkey> i think the only think which can't work on my laptops is the Toshiba fingerprint login scannner
[00:37] <wxl> oh you can make them work :)
[00:37] <perlmonkey> hehe
[00:38] <phillw> wxl: we did say not to chop off peoples fingers for that work around was not the best? :P
[00:38] <perlmonkey> phillw no I mean, is the Chinese ubuntu totally the same as our Western ones, language aside, or is it geared for a limited usage, that allows the Chinese gov to censor how people access the web, what they view and download?
[00:39] <wxl> hahahah
[00:39] <wxl> perlmonkey: technically the source code is there. go see for yourself.
[00:39] <perlmonkey> ok
[00:40] <wxl> perlmonkey: now in regards to your issues, it would be interesting to know what these were
[00:40] <perlmonkey> i don't know about these things at that level, i was just curious
[00:40] <perlmonkey> yeah it would indeed, i will try to check syslog and report back when it happens again tmw
[00:40] <phillw> perlmonkey: it is simply set to be chinese from start up. I did have the pleasure of chatting with the TL's of Kylin, I assure you that it is 100% ubuntu :)
[00:40] <perlmonkey> these are daily occurances at boot time, but Ubuntu somehow fixes it quickly
[00:41] <perlmonkey> phillw cool
[00:41] <perlmonkey> so I guess the "great wall of China" is doing its work then beyond any OS
[00:41] <wxl> perlmonkey: a lot of the crashes are mentioned in /var/log/apport.log
[00:42] <phillw> perlmonkey: they're kicking out M$ :)
[00:42] <perlmonkey> heh
[00:42] <perlmonkey> MS is losing market share by the day, i think their biz model is coming to an end, or product life cycle, for consumer market anyways, biz market they will retain
[00:43] <perlmonkey> they do hw in win8, but too late in the day against a free mobile OS from Google, and tons of apps, plus cheaper hw
[00:43] <perlmonkey> they dont have a viable proposition
[00:43] <wxl> "free"
[00:44] <perlmonkey> same on smartphones
[00:44] <wxl> android ain't really open source
[00:44] <perlmonkey> but its free eh
[00:44] <perlmonkey> thats all that matters really
[00:44] <wxl> it'd be better if it were free-er :)
[00:44] <perlmonkey> yeah that is true, but Google is behind this one
[00:44] <perlmonkey> they purchased it eh
[00:45] <wxl> yes, google
[00:45] <perlmonkey> so they have a vested interest
[00:45] <wxl> those theoretically not-evil guys
[00:45] <perlmonkey> yeah, they will take over the world i think
[00:45] <perlmonkey> and MS will be in their shadow
[00:45] <perlmonkey> the ironic thing is.. Bill Gates was right on ball about internet and its future use in 1990s when nobody used it
[00:46] <perlmonkey> yet MS did nothing towards internet diversifying, except hotmail, and let Google go unchecked
[00:46] <phillw> perlmonkey: bill gates said that internet would never happen :)
[00:46] <wxl> ahhh
[00:46] <perlmonkey> he said it would be superhighway of the future
[00:46] <wxl> see also /var/crash perlmonkey
[00:46] <perlmonkey> but i dont think he realised how commercial it would become
[00:46] <perlmonkey> he thought it would be info orientated
[00:47] <phillw> but, before the irc police arrive, can we move to #lubuntu-offtopic ?
[00:47] <perlmonkey> wxl ok thanks will check
[00:47] <perlmonkey> sure
[00:47] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#Anatomy_of_a_crash perlmonkey
[00:48] <wxl> a little more info than you wanted to know but hey it helps
[00:48] <perlmonkey> thanks wxl you're very helpful I bookmarked it
[00:48] <wxl> so i hear that you have a bunch of low end machines lubuntu would be good for perlmonkey ?
[00:48] <perlmonkey> oh yeah, very low end ;-)
[00:49] <wxl> well if you've got so many machines to test on, we should recruit you into the testing team
[00:49] <perlmonkey> what I can't wait for is someone to make a tablet compatible Lubuntu
[00:49] <perlmonkey> then I will root my tablet
[00:50] <perlmonkey> hehe some of my machines are from different eras tho, like dinasaurs ;-)
[00:50] <perlmonkey> if your Lubuntu will run on those, it will run on just about anything
[02:02] <deitarion> How do I get back the tray icon from 12.04 that showed a log of missed notifications? I never even figured out what produced it so I have no clue what to search for.
[02:04] <phillw> deitarion: update notifier?
[02:05] <deitarion> phillw: I'm not even sure what you're asking me.
[02:09] <phillw> deitarion: there may  have a been a bug, are you okay with issuing commands at terminal or do you want step by step?
[02:10] <deitarion> phillw: Terminal is fine. At the moment, I'm rewriting a Python script which depends on notify-send and udisks because I forgot to add "does the command exist" error handling.
[02:13] <phillw> deitarion: always an easy one... from terminal
[02:13] <phillw> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:13] <phillw> That will pull everything in, assuming you are running a supported release
[02:14] <deitarion> phillw: Aside from a new Firefox Aurora update that just came out, I'm already up to date.
[02:15] <phillw> deitarion: what release are you on?
[02:15] <deitarion> 14.04, installed a couple of days ago.
[02:16] <phillw> deitarion: then why would you expect a list of missed notifications?
[02:16] <deitarion> phillw: I'm asking what I have to install or downgrade to get it back.
[02:17] <phillw> deitarion: there are no missed notifications
[02:17] <perlmonkey> so you installed it, and then has notifications for updates and ignored?
[02:17] <perlmonkey> but yet your sys is up to date?
[02:17] <perlmonkey> how can this be?
[02:18] <perlmonkey> the list is gone eh
[02:18] <perlmonkey> you did the updates at some stage?
[02:18] <deitarion> So you're saying I have to grab some Python code I know I can use as reference and write my own notification daemon? (or at least a proxy)
[02:19] <phillw> deitarion: how do you expect an up to date system complain that it is not? I've just asked you to a manual check
[02:19] <deitarion> phillw: Ugh! I'll use small, clear phrases.
[02:19] <perlmonkey> yeah i mean, ubuntu is functioning normal eh, its not a feature i dont think?
[02:19] <phillw> deitarion: update runs as cron
[02:19] <perlmonkey> you're asking for a feature it don't have, maybe check log?
[02:19]  * deitarion tears hair out.
[02:20] <deitarion> Give me a sec to see if I can make one screenshot and find another so I can clear up whatever misunderstanding you have.
[02:20] <perlmonkey> sorry maybe I misunderstand you but it seems that feature only comes into play if you have pending updates you ignored?
[02:20] <perlmonkey> if you updated, its gone
[02:20]  * phillw relaxes as deitarion has fully up to date system
[02:20] <perlmonkey> when your next update comes, it will return?
[02:20] <perlmonkey> if you dont update immediately
[02:21] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Not the update manager. I'm looking to regain the tray icon which appears when you failed to click X on a notification-daemon popup notification in Lubuntu 12.04.
[02:21] <perlmonkey> oh
[02:21] <phillw> oh, it will nag you to death if you do not update
[02:21] <perlmonkey> but won't that only come when the situation arises?
[02:21] <perlmonkey> like if you do the same again, ignore an update
[02:21] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Open up your terminal and paste this "sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin; notify-send 'Testing 123'"
[02:22] <perlmonkey> ok
[02:22] <deitarion> Don't click the notification that appears. Let it fade on its own.
[02:22] <Unit193> deitarion: lp 1246364
[02:22] <deitarion> Under Lubuntu 12.04, there will be a tray icon showing a log of notifications you didn't dismiss by clicking on them. Under Lubuntu 14.04, there's no indication whatsoever that I missed a notification while I was away.
[02:22] <perlmonkey> says it already newest version
[02:23] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Then run the second half.
[02:23] <deitarion> perlmonkey: The "notify-send 'Testing 123'" part.
[02:23] <perlmonkey> you can't do that
[02:23] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Can't do what?
[02:23] <perlmonkey> add on "testing 123"
[02:24] <deitarion> perlmonkey: You obviously know a LOT less about how the command line works than I do.
[02:24] <perlmonkey> ok it came up Testing 123
[02:24] <perlmonkey> in a black window for a few seconds
[02:24] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Did you click on it? (You shouldn't have)
[02:24] <perlmonkey> no
[02:25] <deitarion> Under Lubuntu 12.04, there would also be a tray icon which you could click to get a list of "missed" notifications.
[02:25] <phillw> greetings Unit193 perlmonkey is a new tester, please assist him.
[02:26] <deitarion> Under Lubuntu 14.04, I can find no way to get a list of notification I missed while away from the PC, so my only options are to either rewrite every applications which can't display its own internal "missed notifications" indication to ask that notifications never expire or write my own notification daemon.
[02:27] <perlmonkey> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/Jl7vQAYbUEQ
[02:27] <perlmonkey> might this help indirectly?
[02:27] <perlmonkey> since its related to system tray notifications
[02:28] <deitarion> perlmonkey: No. It's talking about how Unity stopped supporting XEmbed tray icons.
[02:33] <Unit193> phillw: I don't see a question, hard to assist if there's no question asked.
[02:34] <phillw> Unit193: (03:02:22) deitarion: How do I get back the tray icon from 12.04 that showed a log of missed notifications? I never even figured out what produced it so I have no clue what to search for.
[02:34] <Unit193> That's not perlmonkey. :P
[02:36] <phillw> Unit193: as 12.04 is well past EoL I've asked the chat to be re-located
[02:45] <perlmonkey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/185110/what-is-the-name-of-the-program-that-displays-the-notifications?rq=1
[02:46] <perlmonkey> this suggests a desktop specific approach to notifications, and a change from 12 to 14
[02:46] <perlmonkey> but as for the icon on tray, that remains elusive eh
[02:47] <deitarion> perlmonkey: I tried reinstalling notification-daemon and confirmed that it's part of it... and that notification-daemon crashes on hiding a message in 14.04.
[02:47] <perlmonkey> ok
[02:50] <perlmonkey> "Just make sure the libnotify plugin is active! With Ubuntu 12.10 (and  previous) and the whitelist for system tray icons you/the user may have  deactivated the libnotify plugin on purpose."
[02:52] <perlmonkey> that guy wanted Pidgin to keep its announcements/notices in the tray with icon
[02:52] <perlmonkey> he was advised to add: X-MessagingMenu-UsesChatSection=true to /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop
[02:52] <deitarion> perlmonkey: Irrelevant for multiple reasons I won't go into to avoid cluttering the channel.
[02:54] <perlmonkey> ok sorry couldnt be more help, hope you solve it
[02:56] <deitarion> perlmonkey: I did. `sudo apt-get purge xfce4-notifyd && sudo apt-get install notification-daemon` would fix the problem if notification-daemon weren't so broken on 14.04.
[02:56] <perlmonkey> ah
[02:57] <deitarion> Now I'm just trying to determine whether it's easier to debug and patch notification-daemon or spend an afternoon writing a clone using PyGTK.
[02:57] <perlmonkey> can't you file a bug report and revert to 12.04 or is that not an option?
[02:57] <perlmonkey> i see
[02:57] <deitarion> Reverting to 12.04 isn't an option because some of the stuff I want to run needs a newer glibc.
[03:41] <ianorlin> deitarion: make sure you due all updates as some notification icons weren't showing up without upgrades
[03:41] <deitarion> ianorlin: Again, irrelevant. The problem was caused by the switch from notification-daemon to xfce4-notifyd, which doesn't implement a missed notifications log.
[03:42] <deitarion> Tomorrow, I'll either debug and patch notification-daemon so it doesn't crash or write a clone in Python.
[03:45] <Unit193> deitarion: Ah, I wasn't aware notification-daemon had that, not bad.  https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7437 it sounds like.
[03:49] <deitarion> Unit193: "the idea is piling up any *non-transient* notifications"
[03:49] <deitarion> I can already patch all my apps to request that notifications stick around until explicitly dismissed.
[03:51] <Unit193> Right, but the rest of the spec goes on to say a log of them which you can bring up.  Anyway, as to notification-daemon, I don't suppose there's any crash info in /var/crash/ on it?
[03:52] <Unit193> But yeah, getting some debugging symbols and gdb should help.
[03:53] <deitarion> There is... but it's trivial to trigger the crash within gdb without needing a separate core dump.
[03:53] <deitarion> Just run it, `notify-send ...` and wait for it to expire the notification.
[03:56] <deitarion> ...though you might have to remove xfce4-notifyd to stop bus activation from usurping things.
[08:40]  * perlmonkey will make a list of all his technology and systems later on blog
[08:41] <perlmonkey> its considerable, and it includes a HP workstation designed for Unix
[08:41] <perlmonkey> I have an entire room full of PC's and tech
[08:43] <perlmonkey> HP workstation = 3 x 18GB SCSI drives, Pentium III, 1.44mb floppy drive, CDROM drive
[08:43] <perlmonkey> RAM limited, prolly 1GB maybe 2
[08:44] <perlmonkey> that thing has a shit load of memory banks and would have been a very poweful sys in its day
[08:44] <perlmonkey> its still a fast runner now
[08:45] <perlmonkey> it weighs 50kg approx
[08:45] <perlmonkey> I also have a Toshiba Magnia 3020 Server
[08:45] <perlmonkey> *30kg
[08:45] <perlmonkey> the Magnia is about 40+ kg
[08:47] <perlmonkey> then coming to the present, I has Raspberry Pi B, various tablets, and all manner of mobile PC's but these are flash/ROM, and running CE embedded, if it's possible to root them tho I f'kin will, and most take CF media or SD media
[08:47] <ikonia> why are you listing your hardware into space ?
[08:48] <ikonia> your language isn't very nice either
[09:14] <marc_> hey people, two days ago i re-installed 14.04. everything went well, except for the restricted extras. i'm in indonesia right now and can only use a shitty usb modem. the install process crashed... now i sometimes get a pop up window asking me if i want to reinstall. only problem is, it usually comes quite randomly and when i'm not connected to the internet. is there another way to do it?
[09:15] <marc_> it crashed during the installation of the microsoft fonts... and flashplugin, i guess
[09:17] <marc_> there has to be some terminal commands i'm overlooking
[09:18] <yz3pD> marc_, just purge lubuntu-restricted-extras and install it again
[09:18] <yz3pD> and -addons
[09:18] <marc_> how to purge the addons?
[09:19] <yz3pD> sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-restriced-* && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-*
[09:19] <marc_> alright
[09:19] <marc_> thanks so much
[09:20] <yz3pD> and you can install linux-firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree
[10:12] <kmoral> Greetings Lubuntu ppl!
[10:12] <kmoral> I'm having this stupid screen lock problem.
[10:12] <kmoral> Asked here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/502942/lubuntu-enforces-screen-lock
[10:13] <kmoral> got some help, but nothing I do fixes it...
[10:13] <kmoral> And I simply just want to disable this lxlock and never see it again.
[10:14] <kmoral> I even tried modifying the .config/autostart/light-locker.desktop file.
[10:15] <kmoral> no luck.. the screen still goes to lock every time I leave it for 10 minutes or something..
[11:08] <kmoral> is this channel a ghost town??
[11:11] <hateball> Well, it's rather idle.
[11:11] <hateball> And perhaps no one knew the answer to your question
[11:32] <phillw> !patience | kmoral
[11:57] <user123321> Could someone let me know if this script is the best way to do cleanup? I badly need to free-up space :/ any advice is appreciated. http://kanotix.de/files/remove-orphans.sh
[12:23] <kmoral> ubottu, I'm dealing with this for days.. already searched everything..
[12:23] <kmoral> ubottu, really?
[12:23] <kmoral> oh.. nice :)
[12:24] <kmoral> phillw, you also a bot?
[12:25] <phillw> kmoral: some times :)
[12:25] <kmoral> :)
[12:25] <kmoral> I'm screwed.. this is the last place I was hoping to get help..
[12:26] <phillw> kmoral: http://askubuntu.com/questions/130808/stop-xscreensaver-from-locking-screen-once-screensaver-starts
[12:26] <kmoral> you really think I haven't been through that? :)
[12:27] <kmoral> It bothers me why lubuntu have these settings in three different places..
[12:28] <kmoral> and all get ignored.
[12:28] <phillw> it is because different apps are doing the some of the same tasks. simply removing xscreensaver should stop it, but that is a sledge hammer approach.
[12:28] <kmoral> I don't care... I just want this stupid lock removed..
[12:29] <kmoral> but I think I already tried that, but can't locate the xscreensaver package
[12:29] <kmoral> yes.. that's correct: Package 'xscreensaver' is not installed, so not removed
[12:30] <phillw> kmoral: type
[12:30] <phillw> locate xscreensaver
[12:30] <phillw> into a terminal
[12:30] <kmoral> ok
[12:30] <kmoral> /home/user/.xscreensaver
[12:31] <kmoral> /usr/share/lubuntu/xscreensaver
[12:31] <kmoral> /usr/share/lubuntu/xscreensaver/xscreensaver
[12:34] <phillw> kmoral: have a read of bug 1193716
[12:37] <phillw> kmoral: comment #50 may help
[12:42] <kmoral> how do you locate comment #50?
[12:42] <kmoral> oh.. just saw on the top right.. nevermind
[12:44] <kmoral> ok.. I did that.. now I have to wait 10 minutes..
[12:52] <phillw> indeed :)
[12:53] <phillw> it's a very annoying bug, but I don't let it get me disheartned :)
[14:17] <kalib> Hello guys. I´m having trouble trying to use authentication (proxy) on lubuntu. When using my browser (firefox) I can set my proxy: proxy.domain.com.br with port 3128. Fine, when I try to run google.com, firefox asks me for my user and password (proxy). Works fine.. BUT...
[14:17] <kalib> when trying to run the update manager for softwares.. or apt-get.. my proxy doesn´t work.
[14:17] <kalib> Already tried to run:
[14:18] <kalib> export http_proxy=http:\\user:password@proxy.domain.com.br:3128/
[14:18] <kalib> export https_proxy=http:\\user:password@proxy.domain.com.br:3128/
[14:18] <kalib> and
[14:18] <kalib> export ftp_proxy=http:\\user:password@proxy.domain.com.br:3128/
[14:18] <kalib> but it still not working from console..
[14:18] <kalib> I can´t even ping google through terminal.
[14:18] <kalib> any tip?
[14:29] <phillw> kalib: have you tied squid?
[14:29] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Squid
[14:33] <kalib> phillw,should I? I mean, my squid is working on my network.. but on this machine, I can´t configure the proxy for the terminal.
[14:33] <kalib> but works fine if I set the proxy to the navigator..
[14:34] <phillw> kalib: I've never used proxy, so that is all i can find for you.
[14:34] <kalib> ok
[14:35] <phillw> you can also ask on #ubuntu or ask on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[14:35] <kalib> ok, thanks.. ;]
[14:46] <kmoral> phillw, anoying bug indeed. It might be gone now.. I'll restart and see.. will come back here later.
[16:14] <SubSonicGroove> hi, need some help, I installed a couple 4 port nic cards in my lubuntu box, an intell pro100 (that's working just fine) and an Adaptec starfire ANA620xx/ANA69011A (which is recognized but, is stil coming up with "*-network 1-4 UNCLAIMED even after running the starfire-diag).
[16:14] <SubSonicGroove> kind of at a stopping point, not sure what to do to get this card running.
[16:15] <holstein> SubSonicGroove: does the vendor support linux?
[16:16] <yz3pD> is it a specific lubuntu problem? maybe somebody in #ubuntu can help you
[16:17] <holstein> that too.. since its lower level hardware support, i might try a larger support channel or mailing list
[16:17] <SubSonicGroove> yeah, there's a little bit of documentation from several years ago and the starfire-diag is supposed to fix it, maybe there's more to it than just running the diag...
[16:17] <holstein> SubSonicGroove: who says what is supposed to do what, though?
[16:17] <holstein> SubSonicGroove: and what specifically? and for what kernel? etc..
[16:19] <SubSonicGroove> Most of the problems seemed to be from ubuntu so wasn't sure who to go to...
[16:20] <SubSonicGroove> running 3.13.0-24-generic
[16:20] <holstein> SubSonicGroove: well, ideally, the vendor would say "we support ubuntu" or "we support linux".. if they do, then you can ask them what kernel they expect you to be using, or how to conform to the support they provide
[16:22] <SubSonicGroove> I'll dig a bit at the adaptec site and see what I can find on this issue, didn't think to check there first... thanks!
[20:03] <rena_> Hello. I've been googling for this and haven't found anything that fits my wishes. Does anyone know of a panel applet to monitor the CPU, Mem and Network activity? I had one in Gnome Ubuntu but I don't think it would work in LXDE
[20:03] <rafaellaguna> there's an applet
[20:04] <rafaellaguna> right click on the panel and select "properties"
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> sorry, panel settings
[20:05] <rafaellaguna> then you can add applets at the "panel applets" tab
[20:08] <rena_> Yes, I've been there, I've done that. But there is none that fits exactly my specifications. I would like to have a CPU graph+percentage, Memory used/Free, Network activity showing in (k,M)B/s. I dindn't find any like this.
[20:09] <rena_> Thank you for trying to help rafaellaguna :)
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> there're no more, sorry
[20:09] <rafaellaguna> you have another separate applet for the network
[20:16] <rena_> I guess I will have to code it myself then :p
[20:17] <rafaellaguna> I'd like to use it :D
[20:20] <yz3pD2> you can use multiload indicator in lxpanel
[20:22] <rena_> I think that's what I used in Ubuntu. If it does work on lxpanel that's great news. Thanks so much yz3pD2
[20:22] <yz3pD2> i think it should work
[20:23] <yz3pD2> after installation i think you find it under application indicators
[20:23] <yz3pD2> in config gui of lxpanel
[20:32] <rena_> Crashed lxpanel :p
[20:32] <rafaellaguna> O_o
[20:33] <rena_> I guess it's not compatible with lxpanel after all :D
[20:35] <rena_> Oh no, my bad. It wasn't that that caused the crash sorry
[20:37] <rafaellaguna> I supposed, lxpanel works fine :)
[21:25] <rena_> It doesn't work well at all. After all it wasn't built for this kind of panel. I will have to dig more if it can be fixed


[01:25] <RAOF> Pfft. That was a bit of a gnarly one.
[04:49] <RAOF> You know, it really would be nice if Qt creator didn't crash each time my RANDR config changed.
[07:06] <duflu> Confusing.... "0.1.9" is the latest download available ... by date :)  https://launchpad.net/mir/+download
[08:31] <alan_g> alf_: anpok duflu - anyone about to vote or shall I just approve it? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/spike-nested-server-test-fixture/+merge/224637
[08:32] <duflu> alan_g: Code? What's that?
[08:32]  * duflu looks away
[08:33]  * alan_g thinks this is a new duflu - not sure if I like it. ;)
[08:43] <mpt> Hi, can anyone remember why we started talking about “surface roles” instead of “surface types”? The Mir code still refers to “types”, correct?
[09:20] <duflu> mpt: Correct. I implemented "types" and "states" based on the old design docs a year or so ago. The word "role" then appeared in newer design docs, but the Mir code still refers to types and states.
[09:21] <duflu> There's another new noun too... I forget
[09:23]  * duflu votes for "types and states"
[09:24] <duflu> Although the enumeration values used in code don't need to match perfectly so long as the mapping is clear
[09:53] <mpt> thanks duflu
[10:17] <doko> alan_g, tvoss: so the phone team did choose to do this transition this way, why do the mir people insist now on a different way?
[10:17] <doko> alan_g, btw, your nick name is not up to date in the directory
[10:19] <alan_g> doko: the mir team are being asked to approve a change that hasn't been adequately explained to them. Why were they not involved in a decision that affects them?
[10:20] <doko> alan_g, what is missing from https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1329089/comments/5 ?
[10:20] <doko> alan_g, I would assume three weeks is enough for raising questions
[10:21] <alan_g> doko: it was proposed two working days ago. Not three weeks
[10:22] <tvoss> alan_g, the bug is way older than that, though
[10:29] <alan_g> The bug comment says "Don't use versioned build dependencies for g++-4.x at all (preferred)" and the MP introduces versioned dependencies - how does one follow from the other?
[10:52] <alan_g> tvoss: regardless of the merits of the chosen approach duflu does have a point about the changelog
[10:52] <tvoss> alan_g, sure, happy to change that
[10:54] <alan_g> tvoss: that should resolve both the "Needs Fixings" you've got. ;)
[15:32] <alf_> mterry: dandrader: I saw that we updated the scene code in unity-system-compositor devel-mir-next. The issue there is that because we are creating the SceneElements on our own (instead of letting the scene do the work), we are missing on the new visibility tracking (occludded/exposed events) mechanism.
[15:33] <dandrader> alf_, yes
[15:33] <alf_> mterry: dandrader: Last week I suggested that we drop the scene reimplementation and just hide all sessions that are not needed. Was this considered, or was it too risky to do now?
[15:34] <dandrader> alf_, fell free to do whatever you think is best. I just did it because no one else in mir team had time to do it and I had to unblock the qt comp work. My idea in that patch was to keep the exact same behavior as before
[15:34] <dandrader> alf_,  thus ignoring the visibility as that method simply won't return elements that are not to be rendered
[15:35] <alf_> dandrader: ok, if there is nothing blocking a potential change, I will take a look, thanks
[15:35] <dandrader> alf_, which I guess yields the same result as returning elements with visible=false?
[15:37] <dandrader> alf_,  and if I recall correclty, mterry wanted to keep this scene infrastructure for some future use....
[15:38] <mterry> dandrader, alf_: no, it should be fine to try hiding the sessions
[15:43] <dandrader> alan_g, is I call surface->configure(mir_surface_attrib_focus, mir_surface_focused), is there any logic in mir that might override this and set the focus back to unfocused?
[15:43] <dandrader> s/is I/if I
[15:44] <alan_g> dandrader: you mean as a result of your call or as a result of anything?
[15:45] <dandrader> alan_g, well, both. :)
[15:46] <racarr> dandrader: SurfaceConfigurator could...
[15:46] <racarr> which it looks like you guys are implementing in unity-mir and hooking up to a Qt signal um
[15:46] <racarr> youc an check the return value of surface->configure to see
[15:47] <racarr> ifyou succeed in setting it to focused (and then perhaps its changed latter)
[15:47] <alan_g> dandrader: yes. E.g. the surface is destroyed by the client
[15:47] <racarr> or if it never gets set to focused (i.e.t he surface configurator intercepts it and changes to unfocus)
[15:49] <dandrader> racarr, right, we do have a surfaceconfigurator that seems to just return whatever it gets
[15:49] <dandrader> will take a closer look at this guy to see if there's any missing piece
[15:51] <dandrader> racarr, is SurfaceConfigurator::attribute_set just like a signal that tells what has happened or does it expect any action to be taken in the implementation?
[15:51] <racarr> dandrader: It returns the value which should actually be set
[15:51] <racarr> so its like a value filter or something
[15:51] <racarr> dandrader: i.e. for the shell to say
[15:51] <racarr> haha no this surface cant be maximized dont be silly
[15:51] <racarr> etc
[15:51] <dandrader> racarr, Isn't that SurfaceConfigurator::select_attribute_value ?
[15:52] <racarr> OH sorry
[15:52] <racarr> Yes I believe attribute_set is just a signal
[15:56] <dandrader> racarr, hmmm, looking at ms::BasicSurface::configure it looks like configuring the focus attribute doens't actually do anything?
[15:56] <alf_> racarr: dandrader: We have a FocusSetter class that can change the focus in reaction to new sessions etc in SessionManager. Is unity-mir overriding this?
[15:56] <dandrader> racarr, I mean, it doesn't call an internal set_focus() or anything....
[15:57] <dandrader> it just notifies the observer
[15:58] <dandrader> alf_, I took a quick look at FocusSetter but it seemed to deal with session focus which seemed to be a concept distinct from surface focus...
[15:58] <racarr> dandrader: Ah sorry didnt understand what you were doing. yes that is true
[15:59] <racarr> FocusSetter is the only way to "set focus" and the attribute is something it sets.
[16:00] <racarr> It sets focus to the default surface for a session
[16:00] <racarr> but I guess we can/should have focus(surface)
[16:01] <dandrader> racarr, all I wanna do is calling surface->configure(mir_surface_attrib_focus, mir_surface_focused) and have the client be told that so that it can update this stuff UI accordingly
[16:01] <alf_> mterry: how do you try unity-system-compositor + greeter + multiple sessions (e.g. if I make changes how do I test I haven't broken it?)
[16:02] <racarr> dandrader: I'm not 100% surethats right, because it shouldn't be "focused"
[16:02] <racarr> for example unless it has
[16:02] <mterry> alf_, uh... that was much easier back with a split greeter
[16:02] <racarr> the keyboard input target
[16:02] <racarr> itspossible, that the_surface_configurator
[16:02] <dandrader> racarr,  because in the qtcompositor world the focus concept lives in the qml scene of unity8, so I wanna use surface->configure(mir_surface_attrib_focus,...) as a way of exposing that info to the client. so effectively I just want  the IPC done
[16:02] <racarr> could becomethenew...focus mechanism
[16:03] <mterry> alf_, it's tricky because USC gets its ideas of which session should be focused from lightdm
[16:03] <alf_> dandrader: racarr: use a NullFocusSetter?
[16:03] <racarr> Yep
[16:03] <dandrader> racarr, in qt comp, every client surface is represented by a qml item, which has a focused property
[16:03] <mterry> alf_, so really unless you fake something up, you'll need an actual split greeter
[16:03] <racarr> dandrader: Yes I see I forgot the input targeter,etc werent relevant
[16:04] <racarr> I think Alf is right use a NullFocusSetter so no one will interfere with you setting the attributes otherwise
[16:04] <mterry> alf_, but you can test the spinner / primary session swapping by killing unity8 and confirming that it brings up a spinner again
[16:04] <mterry> alf_, and creating new demo clients to connect to USC and confirm that they don't display
[16:04] <racarr> or implement the_focus_setter with an impl that just calls surface->configure
[16:04] <dandrader> racarr, but still surface->configure(mir_surface_attrib_focus is effectively a noop in BasicSurface... no IPC gets done
[16:05] <racarr> err...I dont think thats true because we have a test
[16:05] <racarr> lemme look
[16:06] <alf_> mterry: that would be a good starting point, but I would like to also put the greeter in the equation when testing (isn't that the reason behind current and next sessions in usc?)
[16:06] <dandrader> racarr, or is there a surface observer that gets notified and does the IPC?
[16:06] <mterry> alf_, yes it is the reason
[16:07] <mterry> alf_, but the split greeter branch was ripped out of trunk and not replaced with anything that works against current trunk right now
[16:07] <mterry> (I've been too busy with RTM stuff to rework it in the short term)
[16:07] <racarr> dandrader: yeah thats it, src/server/scene/surface_event_source.cpp
[16:07] <racarr> lol...its a little...nonobvious from the code
[16:08] <alf_> mterry: makes sense... what does RTM use ATM? (yay, acronym madness!)
[16:08] <mterry> alf_, right now it uses an integrated greeter, just some qml that the unity8 process draws
[16:09] <dandrader> racarr, ahhh, ok. thanks for the info!
[16:09] <racarr> np, sorry to be a little confusing lol
[16:11] <alf_> mterry: ok, so that works for now because we only have one session on the phone?
[16:11] <mterry> alf_, right.  No multi-user support yet
[16:14] <alf_> mterry: ok, so if, for example, I used translucent sessions to visually check that two sessions (current, next) are rendered, would that be a decent test  of the expected behavior?
[16:15] <mterry> alf_, yeah, sure.  But the trick is fooling USC into thinking what the next session should be
[16:16] <mterry> alf_, maybe just hard-code the name for testing purposes
[16:16] <davmor2> kgunn: Manta is having display issues.  If I unplug it and the screen blanks I get a brief flash of grey and then it is just black
[16:16] <alf_> mterry: Sounds good, thanks. Hopefully I will find some time this week to give it a go. Thanks!
[16:18] <davmor2> kgunn: we are wondering if this would be similar to the issue that people on nexus 5 are seeing
[16:18] <kgunn> what image davmor2
[16:19] <kgunn> i've been playing with manta last nigth &
[16:19] <kgunn> this morning
[16:19] <davmor2> kgunn: 106/107 for today
[16:19] <kgunn> havent seen this
[16:19] <kgunn> lemme check my image
[16:19] <kgunn> #
[16:19] <davmor2> kgunn: needs to be unplugged
[16:19] <kgunn> davmor2: mmm...lemme see
[16:19] <davmor2> kgunn: if you have the usb lead in it works fine
[16:20] <davmor2> kgunn: once you are in the broken state you can actually plug the usb lead into the dev press the power button and it wakes fine
[16:20] <kgunn> davmor2: ok, i see it...freaking weird
[16:20] <kgunn> AlbertA: ^
[16:20] <kgunn> check this out...
[16:20] <kgunn> why would usb connection effect screen unblank & contents
[16:21] <kgunn> e.g. the screen does come on, but contents missing
[16:21] <kgunn> davmor2: and its seems inconsistent
[16:21] <kgunn> sometimes it works
[16:23] <davmor2> kgunn: happens reliably here if there is no usb lead in.  I also noticed that it sometimes happens on the music scope if you play a track from the scope and then pause it but that is flakey at best
[16:24] <kgunn> davmor2: huh...it definitely happens more than not, but its not 100% i can get back to lock screen every now and then w/o usb in
[16:25] <AlbertA> kgunn: davmor2: only in manta?
[16:25] <kgunn> probably 1/3 of the time lock screen....2/3's grey/black
[16:25] <davmor2> kgunn: I wonder if it is because of the gfx chipset and it being a tablet so it does deep sleep properly.  That would mean that adb was causing a wake on the system and then screen pops into life maybe?  long shot
[16:25] <kgunn> davmor2: mmm...maybe
[16:26] <kgunn> does feel kernelish
[16:26] <davmor2> AlbertA: yeap only manta possible bq/meizu and maybe nexus 5
[16:27] <kgunn> davmor2: i've been playing ever since you pung....it seems to be rare on time-outs (vs very common on button hit)
[16:27] <AlbertA> davmor2: ok flashing #107... yeah it maybe related to suspend...
[16:31] <davmor2> AlbertA, kgunn: So Flo is fine I've been trying it most of the afternoon
[16:31] <davmor2> mako: was tested for promotion it is fine
[16:32] <kgunn> dang it kdub driving a uhaul...he would find this interesting
[16:32] <davmor2> kgunn: Shall I file a bug against mir for this initially?
[16:32] <AlbertA> davmor2: against unity-system-compositor
[16:32] <davmor2> AlbertA: will do
[16:41] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1336411
[17:16] <AlbertA> davmor2: kgunn: https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1336411/+merge/225209
[17:16] <AlbertA> davmor2: the blank issue in manta was due to suspend indeed
[17:17] <davmor2> AlbertA: yeah
[17:17] <AlbertA> davmor2: so as soon as I get a review, I'll propose to land
[17:30] <AlbertA> can somebody take a look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1336411/+merge/225209
[17:43] <kgunn> rsalveti: or mterry ^ ? we're down a kdub today who might normally review
[17:44] <mterry> I am about to head to a dentist appt, but can do later today
[18:04] <olli> AlbertA, how do I take a screenshot on the device?
[18:04]  * olli can't google it and doesn't remember how to do it
[18:05] <racarr> phablet-screenshot exists if thats what you mean
[18:05] <racarr> AlbertA: Im checkingit out...
[18:06] <olli> racarr, thx
[18:06] <olli> I was searching in the ubuntu- name space
[18:07] <racarr> :)
[18:09] <racarr> AlbertA: So the basic point is what was "acquire-sys-state"
[18:09] <davmor2> AlbertA: okay back from tea.  Is there a package I can install and test and I'll happily do that for you
[18:09] <racarr> which I am guessing is like...acquire a powerd we are awakecookie or something
[18:09] <racarr> needs to be called
[18:09] <racarr> before display->configure?
[18:10] <AlbertA> racarr: right before attempting to power on the display
[18:10] <AlbertA> nexus10 doesn't like it...
[18:10] <AlbertA> otherwise
[18:10] <racarr> ok makes sense to me lol
[18:10] <racarr> youc an get in to a similar state on nexus 4 actually or at least you used to be ableto
[18:10] <racarr> *thinks*
[18:11] <racarr> eh
[18:11] <racarr> similar but unrelated
[18:11] <racarr> there was a point where to run mir without unity8 you had to run
[18:11] <racarr> powerd-cli active:p becausenothing else
[18:11] <racarr> waskeeping the system out of suspend state
[18:11] <racarr> andthen powering the displays would fail of course.
[18:11] <racarr> anyway lgtm
[18:12] <AlbertA> racarr: heh :)
[18:12] <olli> AlbertA, racarr phablet-screenshot seems to be looking for a local socket, wasn't there a convenience script I could run on the dekstop and which would get me a screenshot from the device
[18:12] <olli> without having to login etc
[18:12] <AlbertA> racarr: thankfully those days are gone
[18:12] <AlbertA> olli: yeah that should let you do it from the desktop
[18:12] <AlbertA> olli: it has been updated though
[18:13] <AlbertA> olli: but it's a utopic package
[18:13] <AlbertA> olli: so if you are not in utopic, you won't get the updated scripts I suppose
[18:16] <davmor2> olli: you need to change /usr/bin/phablet-screenshot from /run/mir_socket to /var/run/mir_socket iirc then it works
[18:23] <AlbertA> racarr: thanks!
[18:23] <AlbertA> kgunn: can you top approve? https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/unity-system-compositor/fix-1336411/+merge/225209
[18:27] <davmor2> AlbertA: if there is a package I can install to test that fix give me  a ping and I'll happily test it in the morning nearly my EOD unfortunately
[18:29] <AlbertA> davmor2: sure, I'll ping you thanks@
[18:42] <kgunn> AlbertA: done
[18:47] <kgunn> AlbertA: we should throw that in with camako's mir040 landing request
[18:47] <AlbertA> kgunn: oh...I just put a new row
[18:47] <AlbertA> in ci train
[18:48] <kgunn> AlbertA: actually...that's fine
[18:48] <kgunn> we can do it seperate
[18:48] <kgunn> camako probably wants to finally get mir landed, no need to add 1 more complication ;)
[20:55] <dandrader> racarr, don't you think we're missing this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7733309/
[21:15] <racarr> dandrader: Looks like it.
[21:16] <dandrader> racarr, ok, I'll report a bug
[21:23] <dandrader> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1336548
[21:23] <racarr> dandrader: Thanks ill make a test andpropose a branch unless you are already on it
[21:24] <dandrader> racarr, I don't have a branch. just have that patch. that's why I reported the bug (making the test is the hardest part) :)
[21:29] <racarr> dandrader: :) Thanks.
[21:29] <racarr> will propose fix asap
[21:29] <dandrader> racarr, thanks!
[21:37] <dandrader> racarr, we are also missing a mir_surface_get_focus(), or mir_surface_get_focus_state() :(
[21:37] <dandrader> on the client API side
[21:39] <dandrader> same for the visibility attribute
[22:34] <racarr> dandrader: Also true -.- though it does show up in the attrib change events
[22:34] <racarr> will...mp an mp for that as well
[22:35] <dandrader> racarr, yes
[22:35] <dandrader> racarr, reported a bug for it as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1336553
[22:37] <racarr> Was out picking up more green tea! To the emacs machine.
[22:37] <racarr> Thanks for writing it up in bugs.
[23:00] <RAOF> Yay bugs!


[15:58] <rgh> Hi all, I just installed xubuntu 20.10 on my netbook.
[15:58] <rgh> But it doesn't get in the login manager. Or whatever that's called :-)
[15:59] <rgh> I get a mouse pointer and then it switches back to the console and then again to the mouse pointer etc etc
[16:00] <tomreyn> rgh: how much ram does your netbook have?
[16:01] <tomreyn> physical, installed
[16:01] <rgh> 2 gb
[16:01] <rgh> I think 🤔
[16:01] <rgh> 30 Gb hdd (which I found out is really a SD)
[16:02] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it's the lack of ram causing what you're seeing, but 2 GB is certainly not much.
[16:02] <rgh> I had Manjaro and one xubuntu installed before on this device
[16:02] <tomreyn> especially if the gpu also takes some of it
[16:02] <rgh> Manjaro xfce btw
[16:03] <tomreyn> you could post a full system log, if the system is online:   journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:03] <rgh> Is there a way to install a cli only with the xubuntu iso?
[16:03] <tomreyn> you may need to swithc to a TTY before you can run the above command, and login there.
[16:04] <tomreyn> !tty
[16:04] <rgh> I'm not online I'm afraid.
[16:04] <rgh> Yes, but switching to tty1 or 2 also flips the screen as mentioned above
[16:04] <tomreyn> maybe you can connect it via ethernet, or by a USB tethered smartphone
[16:05] <tomreyn> by flip, you mean upside down?
[16:05] <rgh> Wait. Can I share video in matrix / element?
[16:05] <tomreyn> to get a CLI only installation you'd install ubuntu-server
[16:06] <tomreyn> i don't know what matrix / element is. i'm communicating with you on IRC, which does not support screensharing.
[16:07] <rgh> Matrix is like irc on stereiods
[16:07] <rgh> And it bridges to irc (I'm on matrix now)
[16:07] <rgh> Element is the client
[16:08] <rgh> But. Can I install a cli from the 20.10 iso?
[16:09] <tomreyn> if by "a CLI" you mean "not a graphical desktop", then i don't think you can.
[16:09] <rgh> Crap
[16:09] <tomreyn> that's if "the 20.10 iso" refers to the xubuntu 20.10 iso.
[16:09] <rgh> Yes
[16:10] <rgh> Iso boots fine ofc
[16:10] <tomreyn> you could remove the desktop after the fact though
[16:10] <rgh> Oh nice idea
[16:10] <rgh> If I can stay in the tty1 and not being thrown (and fail) in tty7
[16:11] <rgh> Nope
[16:11] <rgh> It's fubar
[16:11] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what you'Re doing
[16:12] <rgh> Ctrl alt f1
[16:12] <tomreyn> try F3..F6 instead
[16:14] <rgh> Trying rescue root prompt
[16:20] <tomreyn> you can provide the !bootparm    systemd.target=multi-user.target   for a CLI startup
[16:38] <rgh> maybe 20.04 works better
[16:38] <rgh> this is going no where :-(
[16:40] <rgh> thanks for your kind help :-)


[00:54] <ActionParsnip> Quantal boots fast!!
[03:08] <lupintheethird> does anyone else running ubuntu 12.10 on a laptop find it to run snappier than 12.04
[03:46] <cpatrick08> I am running the latest 64 bit ubuntu daily-live cd from a usb drive and I am trying to update from 12.04LTS and it says it doesn't detect the os I have a btrfs / with a seperate /boot
[03:52] <ubuntu_> I am running the latest 64 bit ubuntu daily-live cd from a usb drive and I am trying to update from 12.04LTS and it says it doesn't detect the os I have a btrfs / with a seperate /boot
[08:28] <qdb> hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 ie recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily
[08:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:31] <AlanBell> anyone finding dual screen unity a bit broken today?
[08:34] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-06-27%2009:32:51.png
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <phoenix_firebrd> any one using kde 4.9?
[13:23] <qdb> hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but  recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 )
[13:43] <acuster> Hey all, I am just barely booted on a quantal live kernel. What is the user/pass by default?
[13:43] <acuster> for alpha-1 that is
[13:43] <head_victim> acuster: not certain but usually it's user: ubuntu
[13:43] <acuster> (there is no X or anything like that)
[13:43] <head_victim> and the password is normally blank
[13:43] <genii-around> Most likely username ubuntu and no password
[13:43] <acuster> hmm, just tried that
[13:43] <acuster> will try again, thanks
[13:44]  * acuster is some kind of dumb, since he set the root fs, he can hack this.
[14:52] <qdb> hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but  recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 )
[19:17] <qdb> hello. netbook with intel gma 3600 loads to black screen, but  recovery - resume normal and recovery - root - restart fixes it temporarily ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12055698#post12055698 )
[21:16] <blackout> who has destroyed the evince dependencies??
[21:17] <blackout> and also The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:17] <blackout>  octave : Depends: libarpack2 (>= 2.1) but it is not going to be installed
[21:21] <blackout> ok evince is working now
[21:28] <jbicha> yeah, I'm fixing evince but it takes 20 minutes each time I want to test-build it


[00:08] <Guest43104> hey guys
[00:09] <Guest43104> how can i install .zip ??? my AMD driver is only available in .zip
[00:11] <holstein> Guest43104: i dont think so
[00:11] <Unit193> !amd
[00:11] <holstein> Guest43104: you mean, ati?
[00:11] <holstein> !ati | Guest43104
[00:11] <Unit193> >_>
[00:11] <Unit193> holstein: You win.
[00:11] <holstein> Unit193: :)
[00:11] <holstein> Unit193: !amd should/could do that too
[00:12] <Unit193> nv does, was going for that next.
[00:12] <Guest43104> aha
[00:13] <holstein> Guest43104: try either not installing a driver, or use the driver from the repos
[00:13] <holstein> Guest43104: why do you thing you need a driver
[00:13] <holstein> ?
[00:13] <Guest43104> some programs like MIXXX
[00:13] <Guest43104> i am  a music producer
[00:14] <Guest43104> mixxx needs the last driver for ATI
[00:14] <Guest43104> to view it's wave form
[00:14] <holstein> i doubt the latest.. probabably any 3d driver will work
[00:15] <Guest43104> i tried the three available on additional driver app and all of them didn't let the mixxx work
[00:16] <holstein> you should probably take a look at mixxx as well, just to make sure its what you need
[00:16] <holstein> its great, but its not for music production
[00:16] <holstein> its DJ software
[00:17] <holstein> Guest43104: i would install the driver from the repos, and test 3d.. make sure that its not just an issue with mixxx as well
[00:19] <holstein> i would go with other dj options before id sweat a 3d driver too much
[00:19] <Guest43104> so y doesn't the waveform appear ?
[00:20] <holstein> Guest43104: well, all im saying is, you are assuming its a 3d driver issue
[00:20] <Guest43104> i am with u about the AMD driver , what would be wrong with mixxx
[00:20] <holstein> Guest43104: it could be a bug in mixxx..
[00:21] <Guest43104> k k forget about mixxx . iam not available to install a .zi file on linux r8 ?
[00:21] <Guest43104> .zip
[00:22] <holstein> Guest43104: a .zip file is not an installable file on *any* os
[00:22] <holstein> its a zip file.. you can extrract it, and read the information about how you are expected to install it
[00:22] <holstein> i shouldnt say any os.. but its something you extract never the less
[00:23] <Guest43104> OpenGL cannot be initialized, which means that the waveform displays won't work. A simple mode will be used instead where you can still use the mouse to change speed.
[00:23] <Guest43104> this is what i got from mixxx
[00:23] <holstein> Guest43104: but, can openGL be initiated by anything else? do you have 3d or not?
[00:23] <Guest43104> HD radeon 6400
[00:23] <holstein> Guest43104: is your card supported in linux? the drivers in the repos are usually pretty fresh
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: i have no first hand way to test that.. what would i do? install the drivers from the repos and test 3d
[00:24] <Guest43104> what is the repos plz ?
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: then, i would get the drivers from the site,, and see if they are newer and if they are, install those and test 3d
[00:24] <holstein> Guest43104: the default ubuntu repositories.. the software repositories where you get the ubuntu maintained driver
[00:25] <holstein> Guest43104: when you install the driver from the .zip from the amd site, you will need to reinstall that each kernel upgrade
[00:26] <holstein> Guest43104: the driver is *not* maintained by a package manager.. you are saying "i dont need your help, i'll take care of this on my own" basically.. which is why i suggest making sure that A. this is the issue, and B. there is a resolution to the issue by installing that driver
[00:26] <holstein> otherwise, you are wasting time
[00:27] <holstein> what would i do? use other DJ software.. but i have used mixxx, and im not willing to base my OS installation around it
[00:27] <Guest43104> i really find it hard to understand what you need to say , my main lang- is arabic .. at all whag should i do now with easy steps plz . i know that i annoyed you
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: you actually dont annoy me at all
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: start with a question, and i'll answer.. and keep it simple
[00:27] <holstein> Guest43104: you dont install .zip files
[00:28] <holstein> !extract
[00:28] <holstein> !zip
[00:28] <Guest43104> extracted
[00:28] <holstein> a zip is not an installation media
[00:28] <Guest43104> i got a .run file
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: the information inside that .zip is specific to that zip.. there willl be documentation
[00:29] <airlynx> zequence: for reference, grub was broken when I tried to reboot to my previous 12.10 installation but 13.04 is installing much smoother this time through.  Only thing of concern was the laptop's built-in webcam never showed a picture which worked flawlessly in the 12.10 installation, but that is of little consequence to me
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: there should be a readme on how to use what you downloaded
[00:29] <holstein> !run
[00:29] <Guest43104> there is only one file and it's name is amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.2-beta7-linux-x86.x86_64.run
[00:29] <holstein> Guest43104: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingRunPackage
[00:30] <holstein> Guest43104: then, there will be information on the site about how to install it
[00:31] <holstein> i would test 3d on the repo driver first
[00:31] <holstein> !glxgears
[00:31] <Guest43104> what should i write in terminal ?
[00:32] <holstein> Guest43104: i would try "glxgears" .. if you have 3d, then you dont need the driver
[00:32] <Guest43104> No command 'run' found, did you mean:  Command 'zrun' from package 'moreutils' (universe)  Command 'runq' from package 'exim4-daemon-heavy' (main)  Command 'runq' from package 'sendmail-bin' (universe)  Command 'runq' from package 'exim4-daemon-light' (main)  Command 'grun' from package 'grun' (universe)  Command 'qrun' from package 'torque-client' (universe)  Command 'qrun' from package 'torque-client-x11' (universe)  Comman
[00:32] <Guest43104> this is what i got
[00:33] <holstein> Guest43104: you run "glxgears"
[00:33] <Guest43104> aha and got the previous msg
[01:13] <airlynx> ubuntustudio 13.04 is up and running, yay
[11:47] <tjingboem> any advice on a good soundcard with 6 outputs at least?
[11:58] <zequence> tjingboem: Just about any modern card will do
[11:58] <zequence> tjingboem: Depending on what you are aiming at doing
[11:59] <zequence> tjingboem: If you're going to be recording, get yourself a semi/pro device - not a consumer card
[11:59] <tjingboem> i need only 2 input but 6 independent outs
[12:00] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=hardware_matrix
[12:00] <tjingboem> good link, just what i was looking for - thanks!
[12:01] <tjingboem> i guess that it is not a good idea to buy a firewire card?
[12:01] <zequence> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/current_audio_gear
[12:02] <zequence> tjingboem: Depends on how you are planning to use the card, and on which hardware
[12:02] <zequence> firewire is a very good choice for desktops, and some laptops (not many have FW these days)
[12:02] <zequence> usb has a few problems
[12:03] <zequence> First, most usb devices don't have drivers, so while they work, they will work only in usb 1.1 mode
[12:03] <tjingboem> are the problems with usb xruns?
[12:03] <zequence> Which means something like 48kHz/16bit
[12:03] <zequence> And stereo only
[12:03] <zequence> Second, many usb devices might not handle low altency very well, if that is a priority
[12:03] <tjingboem> i definitely need 6 outputs
[12:05] <zequence> I'd try out some models at a local store, bringing a laptop
[12:07] <zequence> This one has gotten very good responses from the Linux audio community http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=presonus_audiobox_1818vsl
[12:07] <zequence> It has more inputs than you need, 8 mic amps
[12:07] <zequence> full usb 2.0 support
[12:08] <zequence> It's not as feature rich as some other similar devices, but it works fine for most use cases
[12:09] <zequence> tjingboem: Are you going to be working with jack?
[12:11] <tjingboem> yes, i want to use US with jack
[12:11] <tjingboem>  balanced ¼” main (L/R) line outputs for the presonus
[12:11] <tjingboem> but only 2
[12:12] <tjingboem> 8 balanced ¼” auxiliary (L/R) line outputs
[12:13] <tjingboem> that must be configured by software i presume
[12:14] <zequence> tjingboem: It's really just 8 balanced outputs, out of which two can be used for monitoring
[12:14] <zequence> All of them work technically the same way
[12:15] <tjingboem> perhaps the M-Audio Fast Track Ultra is working the same way
[12:16] <zequence> That's another one which has full support, but this is thanks to some special drivers
[12:16] <tjingboem> i want to route 6 independent outputs to my 7.1 amp
[12:16] <zequence> I'm not fully confident about the performance of the Fast Track.
[12:16] <zequence> What will you be recording?
[12:17] <zequence> Is it important the audio quality of the recordings is absolutely perfect?
[12:17] <zequence> If it's not acoustic sources, i.e. if it's instead line in, you might only need a consumer device
[12:17] <zequence> Such as a onboard card
[12:18] <zequence> I mean, if you're going to be recording old vinyls, or things like that, you might not need a pro card
[12:20] <tjingboem> i have a professional mixer that generates 2 good quality balanced line outputs
[12:20] <tjingboem> i can use those when i want to record with a mic
[12:20] <tjingboem> i want to use a software synth (csound) to generate the sound
[12:21] <zequence> I'd just get a cheap 7.1 device, and if you find that the recordings don't work, just get a cheap semi pro 2x2 device. No need to get 8x8 if you're not going to be doing studio recording much
[12:21] <tjingboem> and direct it to different outputs that go the inputs of the 7.1 amp
[12:21] <zequence> I don't know anything about consumer cards
[12:21] <tjingboem> i have now the Maudiophile 24/96
[12:21] <zequence> And that is something you don't find in that wiki page either
[12:22] <zequence> those cards are quite ok
[12:22] <tjingboem> but it has only 2 outputs
[12:22] <tjingboem> yes the qua;ity is okay for me
[12:22] <zequence> This one is cheap http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010LT.html
[12:23] <zequence> It's 8x8
[12:23] <zequence> Two mic in
[12:24] <zequence> I have one of those. I also have a m-audio 66 (4x4 analog))
[12:24] <tjingboem> i like it
[12:24] <tjingboem> it is 4 x the one i have now
[12:25] <tjingboem> question: S/PDIF is 2 channels only right?
[12:25] <zequence> The audio quality on the 1010 is quite ok. Wouldn't know how much better than on a consumer device
[12:25] <zequence> Yeah
[12:26] <zequence> unbalanced I/O, but again, do you need anything else?
[12:26] <zequence> I would be you couldn't hear the difference using a consumer card
[12:26] <tjingboem> i can use the same mudita24 mixer i have now :)
[12:27] <zequence> bet*
[12:27] <tjingboem> yeah, the cables won't be longer than 1 meter - no noise there...
[12:29] <tjingboem> some time ago i watched a youtube video about the (non)sense of expensive studio soundcards
[12:29] <tjingboem> it was discovered that there was almost no differnce in sound quality
[12:30] <tjingboem> between cheap and expensive
[12:30] <zequence> The cost is by no means paralell in ratio to what you win in quality
[12:31] <tjingboem> they used the same pro mic for a sounblaster card and some pro soundcard - same result
[12:31] <zequence> There you have it
[12:32] <tjingboem> i will investigate the 1010 some more
[12:32] <zequence> I'd go with a cheap 10$-30$ card, with 2 line in, and 7.1 out
[12:32] <zequence> Since you already have a mixer
[12:32] <tjingboem> but i want it to work with US
[12:32] <zequence> You also gain the benefit of it working perfectly with pulseaudio
[12:33] <zequence> It'll work fine
[12:33] <zequence> Just don't get something really unusual
[12:33] <zequence> You can check alsa before hand, just to be sure
[12:33] <tjingboem> the onboard chip ALC883 in my computer produces a big DC offset here
[12:34] <zequence> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[12:34] <tjingboem> i just want a better replacement for that
[12:36] <tjingboem> thanks zequence - you saved me a lot of $$ :)
[12:36] <tjingboem> and time
[12:36] <zequence> Glad to help
[13:06] <tjingboem> M-Audio Delta 1010 LT is ordered - i will have it in 3 days :)
[13:30] <tjingboem> is jack1 as stable as jack2?
[13:31] <zequence> jack1 is the original jack. It has no dbus support
[13:31] <zequence> They aren't the same fully
[13:31] <zequence> jack2 has new features
[13:32] <zequence> jack2 should be considered default
[13:32] <zequence> Only use jack1 if you absolutely have to
[13:41] <tjingboem> i build and installed csound with all of its dependencies. This removed jack 2
[13:41] <tjingboem> i miss claudia en cadence
[13:51] <tjingboem> it seems that i have bought Maudio Delta 1010LT so i wnt to do a clean install of US
[13:51] <tjingboem> I now work with 12.04
[13:52] <tjingboem> is 12.10 "better"?
[13:52] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, eeeeh, I'm inclined to stick with LTS.  As I understand it, MAudio should run fine with LTS.
[13:53] <tjingboem> are there problems with Maudio and 12,10 that you know of?
[13:54] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, not that I know of, but a search of the forums should either be informative
[13:55] <tjingboem> will do so, thanks cfhowlett
[13:55] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, best of luck
[14:23] <zequence> tjingboem: Building software with jack deps always installs jackd1. Once you're done building, just install jackd2 again
[14:23] <zequence> I actually recommend the upcoming 13.04
[14:23] <zequence> But, it will probably not work for everyone, as with everything else
[14:23] <zequence> I'd be most worried about graphic drivers and such
[14:26] <tjingboem> i need twinview from nvidia too..
[14:27] <zequence> i was having a bit of trouble insalling the latest proprietary drivers, but that's usually no a problem once the release is out. nvidia usually always works fine
[14:27] <zequence> ATI is another story
[14:27] <tjingboem> while i'm experimenting with my new Delta1010LT, i might as well try out 13.04 too
[14:27] <zequence> the free graphic drivers are very ok, but they might give you big latency problems
[14:28] <tjingboem> with 12.04 nvidia was automatically installed
[14:28] <zequence> The policy after 12.04 has shifted some
[14:28] <zequence> The free drivers are really good enought to play 3d games now, even if not as good as the proprietary ones
[14:28] <tjingboem> right..
[14:29] <tjingboem> i will need twinview
[14:29] <tjingboem> if that can be done with the free drivers - that's ewven better
[14:29] <zequence> If you get things working with 13.04, you won't want to go back to 12.0
[14:29] <tjingboem> i do not have time for games :)
[14:29] <zequence> 12.04*
[14:30] <tjingboem> now i am really too curious not to try
[14:30] <zequence> the problem with graphic drivers, related to audio, is that the free ones may cause xruns at lower latencies
[14:30] <tjingboem> i see
[14:30] <cfhowlett> tjingboem, the force is very effective against certain minds ...
[14:30] <zequence> It depends highly on your HW
[14:30] <cfhowlett> :)
[14:31] <zequence> Installing the proprietary drivers is not as obvious as before. You need to either use the command line, or the gui application called "Software Sources"
[14:31] <tjingboem> do i have to build the nivia driver myself in 13.04?
[14:31] <zequence> no
[14:32] <tjingboem> pff
[14:32] <zequence> It's the same as before, only you use another gui to install them
[14:32] <zequence> You won't get notified that you can install them, etc
[14:33] <tjingboem> that's no big problem,
[14:33] <tjingboem> i would like to try it
[14:33] <tjingboem> is there some info already about this, in a blog or something?
[14:34] <tjingboem> or can i just come to this place and try out your patience :)
[14:34] <tjingboem> ?
[14:35] <holstein> !ati
[14:36] <tjingboem> bookmarked, thanks holstein
[14:36] <holstein> :)
[14:39] <tjingboem> is 3D acceleration needed for twinview?
[14:40] <zequence> no, but you get 3d acceleration no matter which drivers you use
[14:40] <zequence> Don't know about twin view. haven't tried
[14:40] <tjingboem> we'll see in a few days then...
[14:51] <tjingboem> ok, thanks all, i have downloaded 13.04 ...time to play...bye!
[14:52] <holstein> i might have to run 13.04 on the production rig
[14:54] <tjingboem> good luck to us then :) bye
[15:38] <tjingboem> I' m using the LiveCD 13.04 US now and in synaptic i see nvidia-current
[15:38] <tjingboem> 304.84
[15:39] <tjingboem> so nvidia can be installed in 13.04
[17:14] <WillOfNoPo> BYE
[17:14] <holstein> WillOfNoPo: hello?
[18:24] <tjingboem> i have tried all of the 3 versions of the nvidia drivers, but none of them seems to work
[18:24] <tjingboem> in US 13.04
[18:26] <tjingboem> is there something else i could try?
[18:37] <zequence> Seems like he was having the same problem as me
[18:38] <zequence> Recent updates of the kernel have made the nvidia driver not work
[19:10] <sirriffsalot> Is there a way to start a laptop with ubuntu(studio) on it without having to press the power button?
[19:11] <sirriffsalot> Besides zombie computer.. :P
[19:12] <Kiara> that would be a BIOS issue. some support it others dont
[19:13] <Kiara> consult the BIOS
[19:13] <sirriffsalot> A  way to figure out if I can do it with my bios?
[19:13] <sirriffsalot> And what approach exactly would that be?
[19:13] <Kiara> there will be some mentions of diff ways to start such as keyboard access and mouse, pci, PXE, etc.
[19:14] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: thanks!:) I'll look into it
[19:17] <Kiara> my laptop only supports PXE (network) and RTC alarm
[19:39] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: for starting without the power button you mean?
[19:40] <Kiara> yeah
[19:41] <Kiara> you can wake a sleeping computer with Esc, but most laptops dont typically have a lot of alt powerup options
[19:41] <sirriffsalot> A sleeping computer? I want to be able to power it on and off without having to open the lid
[19:42] <Kiara> becasuse its battery powered, manufacturers dont usually include a lot of options for that
[19:44] <sirriffsalot> Damn.. This laptop is way more powerful and effective (eight cores) than my desktop.. I'd like to just hide it somewhere beneath my desk and connect screen etc to it as if it were my desktop..
[19:46] <Kiara> well still its worth checking. you may be able to start the machine from USB keyboard / mouse.
[19:47] <Kiara> ah i know. if it doesnt support it this is what you can do. set the BIOS to autostart after power loss. that way all you have to do is flip a switch on a surge protector
[19:48] <Kiara> better yet, get one of those smart surge protectors and have the monitor as the main device. so once the monitor is turned on all devices get power which auto starts the laptop
[19:51] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: hmm
[19:51] <sirriffsalot> hp envy dv7-7305eo is my laptop.. not finding anything on the bios part
[19:52] <sirriffsalot> Good idea, checking
[19:54] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: not really sure where I should be doing this configuration, where is the usual place in the bios for this?
[19:55] <Kiara> power management
[19:56] <Kiara> system configuration
[19:56] <sirriffsalot> Yeah thing is it's not there haha
[19:56] <sirriffsalot> Power management that is..
[19:59] <Kiara> only thing i've found so far is that it supports PXE
[20:00] <sirriffsalot> Well that's a good start :)
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: I think it's gonna be a waste of time to spend ages puzzling at this instead of just getting started with stuff, thanks though, I might ask someone later on who probably has a definite answer if it is at all possible!
[20:07] <Kiara> oh wow.   thats gotta be the best laptop to service internally i've ever seen.
[20:07] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: hehe
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> It is quite the beast for being so light
[20:08] <Kiara> im just talking how much can be repaired if broken
[20:08] <Kiara> its not a toss it n buy a new one type
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> Ah, yea that too
[20:08] <sirriffsalot> Certainly not
[20:09] <sirriffsalot> Kiara: how did you find out so quick anyway?:P
[20:09] <Kiara> google
[20:10] <sirriffsalot> Hehe
[21:20] <ubuntu-studio> hello is it possible to use the XFCE configuration in another ubuntu?
[21:20] <ubuntu-studio> i like it :)
[21:31] <Kiara> yes
[21:34] <Nikolai234> how?
[21:34] <Nikolai234> and is Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta updateable?
[21:38] <Kiara> 13.04 is updateable and xcfe can be installed with the ubuntu software center or muon software center. search for package xfce-desktop
[21:41] <Nikolai234> thanks


[08:17] <mup> Bug #1757067 opened: Intermittent failure: test_estimated_runtime_sets_start_time_when_unavailable <intermittent-failure> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757067>
[14:27] <mup> Bug #1757153 opened: [2.4, UI, regression] Run time for commissioning/testing scripts is incorrect <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757153>
[14:33] <mup> Bug #1757155 opened: [2.4, UI] Storage firmware version is mispelled & should be part of Name | Model | Serial switcher <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757155>
[17:36] <mup> Bug #1757210 opened: [2.4, regression] Cannot compose a machine inside <MAAS:In Progress by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757210>
[18:52] <wdennis> hi all - looking at https://docs.maas.io/2.3/en/installconfig-network-dhcp and trying to configure MAAS to use my external DHCP server; does not look like the dos correlate to my MAAS UI (running v2.3.0)
[18:52] <wdennis> *docs not dos
[18:54] <wdennis> I was able to configure my external DHCP server to next boot IP of the MAAS server, and used BIOS filename 'pxelinux.0', and was successfully able to netboot a machine from MAAS
[18:58] <wdennis> However, got a cloud-init message that the node "failed to enlist system maas server" and powers off
[18:58] <wdennis> And (unsurprisingly) no node shows up in the MAAS UI
[19:32] <roaksoax> wdennis: /etc/maas/rackd.conf make sure it is pointing to an ip instead of localhost
[19:39] <mup> Bug #1757242 opened: [2.4, UI] Need some space between green "Compose machine" button and the pod details table. <ui> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757242>
[20:22] <wdennis> roaksoax: It was indeed pointing to 'localhost' - corrected to put in IP. Do I need to restart any service etc?
[20:33] <roaksoax> wdennis: yes, rackd
[20:33] <roaksoax> sudo service maas-rackd restart
[20:58] <mup> Bug #1757210 changed: libvirt drops connection when attaching a disk (breaks MAAS pods) <MAAS:Invalid by newell-jensen> <libvirt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757210>
[20:58] <mup> Bug #1757262 opened: [2.4, pod] KVM pod doesn't fail if it fails to attach disk <pod> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757262>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1757210 opened: libvirt drops connection when attaching a disk (breaks MAAS pods) <MAAS:Incomplete by newell-jensen> <libvirt (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1757210>
[22:00] <wdennis> roaksoax: Thx for the info... restarted the maas-rackd service, then retried the PXE on the host, but still not registering... Can you point me to logs (either on PXE client OS or server) that I can look at?
[22:04] <wdennis> Found server-side logs in /var/log/mass/*, looking at rackd.log, seeing these errors periodically: https://bpaste.net/show/1de12b924a25
[22:05] <wdennis> Region controller and rack controller are on same node (default MAAS install via Ubuntu ISO...)
[22:07] <roaksoax> wdennis: /var/log/maas/rsyslog/*
[22:07] <roaksoax> wdennis: if it is a non-known maas machine, check the logs under maas-enlisting-node/<date>/<ip>
[22:13] <wdennis> roaksoax: No files in /var/log/maas/rsyslog/ on server
[22:17] <roaksoax> wdennis: do yo ahppen to have a console log ?
[22:19] <wdennis> roaksoax: On the client? Unfortunately no
[22:28] <wdennis> roaksoax: Aha - looking at 'cloud-init' messages captured in syslog on the client, I see that the server url as used by maas-enlist has the wrong IP address in it...
[22:28] <wdennis> Is that se somewhere on the server?
[22:29] <wdennis> *set
[22:29] <roaksoax> wdennis: ok, see if it is the same IP as /etc/maas/regiond.conf:maas_url ?
[22:30] <wdennis> roaksoax: Yup, it was the wrong IP there - corrected. Restart a service needed?
[22:31] <wdennis> And, any other places I should look for incorrect IPs?
[22:33] <wdennis> A grep for my IP block in /etc/maas/* shows the correct IPs now: https://bpaste.net/show/65ba3791ed38
[22:40] <wdennis> OK, looks like that was it - the node successfully registered now :)
[22:40] <wdennis> Lesson learned - don't install a new MAAS server on a temp DHCP address, then re-IP it later...
[23:20] <wdennis> How may I customize the Ubuntu install that the "Deploy" action lays down on disk? (partitioning, add'l pkgs to install. etc?)