[03:03] <Munkey> nope, it just says that
[03:03] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: sudo apt-get remove rutebook (if you installed with synaptic/apt)
[03:03] <reka> drummer87: sys->prefs-?windows
[03:03] <reka> prefs->windows
[03:03] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i installed it via console.
[03:03] <selinium> Anyone here using rsync ?
[03:04] <selinium> bigfoot: It is a big book!
[03:04] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: umm - you used apt or not?
[03:04] <Munkey> hang on, i'll try installing ubuntu again, perhaps i screwed up something in the installation process, probably during the partition part
[03:04] <drummer87> reka: that only has maximize and roll-up
[03:04] <picochu> selinium: yeah bit can it beat war and peace? ;)
[03:04] <bigfoot> thoreauputic, i ran this command: sudo apt-get install rutebook
[03:05] <bigfoot> i guessi it's apt.
[03:05] <bigfoot> why? are there other ways to install?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> bigfoot: then run the command I gave you above
[03:05] <ian> picochu: heheheheh... i have sucessfully compiled. it.. and run the checkinstall.. and it was succesfull..what do i do next? :)
[03:06] <smith> ...
[03:06] <selinium> picochu: nohing like a bit of light reading at bedtime..... And that is nothing liek a bit of light reading!
[03:06] <reka> drummer87: ah, my mistake.  what's wrong with clicking on the _ bar?  you're up there anyway? note: you can set up a k/b shortcut
[03:07] <drummer87> reka, i guess.. but that's less like osx :)
[03:07] <smith> how to build a debian system like gentoo does?
[03:07] <drummer87> i can live with that though
[03:07] <picochu> ian: you tell me. i don't use that. :)
[03:08] <picochu> smith you don't ubuntu is not gentoo
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> got problems with gnome
[03:09] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254
[03:09] <picochu> selinium: if you take up speed reading.. .. I bet you can finish it in a day or two :P
[03:10] <dooglus> thoreauputic: your "wget http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/stuff/unix.pdf| xpdf" command has a couple of problems
[03:10] <dooglus> first, wget writes to a file, not stdout by default, so there's nothing going into the pipe
[03:10] <dooglus> second, xpdf doesn't read from stdin, so there's nothing being read from the pipe
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: OK - I just thought it would work: i guess the pipe doesn't
[03:11] <seaPig|wrk> would that make it a pipe dream?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> dooglus: thanks for the correction
[03:11] <dooglus> thoreauputic: you can "wget -O- http:/..." if you want to write to stdout
[03:11] <dooglus> thoreauputic: but I don't know if xpdf can read a document from a pipe anyway
[03:11] <thoreauputic> ah - useful, thanks
[03:12] <floater_> hi wodup. I tried to reconfigure my x and changed 'glide' to 'mga'. First with glide it said 'failed to load module glide and now with mga it says 'mga_hal does not exists'. I have a matrox mga g200 agp videocard on pci bus1 device 0 function 0. When configuring I chose pci 1,0,0 I think
[03:12] <floater_> thoreauputic you know anything bout that ? shuold I choose vga then ?
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254
[03:12] <dooglus> if you want to view gzipped pdf files, you can use zxpdf, for example "zxpdf /usr/share/doc/rutebook/rute.pdf.gz"
[03:12] <spanglesontoast> gnome issue
[03:13] <thoreauputic> floater_: way over my head I'm afraid :)
[03:13] <Ottoman> hi
[03:13] <floater_> hmm
[03:13] <Ottoman> I have a problem, I cannot get sound in Quake 3 under Hoary
[03:13] <anatole> hi
[03:14] <Ottoman> all other sound works
[03:14] <floater_> I can't start x... pretty sux
[03:14] <Ottoman> how can I see what the version is for my AC97 VIA soundcard?
[03:14] <toran> hey guys, I'm getting the following error when trying to install a KDE program from source: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:15] <toran> I'm on kubuntu, and I have libqt3 stuff installed. What's the deal?
[03:15] <Munkey> um
[03:15] <Munkey> some help again :p
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> ottoman have you got two sound cards?
[03:15] <Ottoman> no
[03:15] <picochu> toran: do you have lib qt3 dev installed?
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> easy
[03:15] <spanglesontoast> hang on
[03:15] <Munkey> oh nm, i figured it out
[03:15] <toran> picochu: lemme check
[03:15] <Munkey> pebcak
[03:15] <Riddell> toran: install kdelibs4-dev
[03:16] <picochu> Munkey do you need a LART?
[03:16] <toran> thanks
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> you want subwoofer to work etc?
[03:16] <confuser> hello all :)
[03:16] <Ottoman> if that's possible yes
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> ok hang on
[03:16] <Ottoman> hello confuser
[03:16] <reka> floater: what does lspci | grep -i matrox say?
[03:16] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293256
[03:17] <confuser> i am new in linux, can i ask questions ?
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> make a file called .asoundrc
[03:17] <Ottoman> I'd like to learn a thing or 2 on Linux sound, as I'm working so that Ubuntu is my only OS
[03:17] <floater_> reka, wait a minute, I go check *runs to the other pc*
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> in your home dir
[03:17] <Munkey> I'm still getting this GRUB Hard Disk Error :/
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> of the user you are using now
[03:17] <spanglesontoast> you done that?
[03:17] <Munkey> anyone know what might be causing the problem?
[03:18] <Ottoman> I'm about to
[03:18] <toran> Riddell: installed that, and I'm still getting the error
[03:18] <spanglesontoast> ok well at least you didn't have to wait 10 hours to sort it lol
[03:18] <reka> confuser: sure
[03:18] <confuser> thanks
[03:18] <dooglus> is there a 'gnome' PDF viewer?
[03:19] <gwm> How do I manage which services should or should not start when I boot?
[03:19] <reka> dooglus: gnome-gv
[03:19] <tritium> dooglus, check out evince
[03:19] <dooglus> Munkey: ubuntu's GRUB loader trashed my laptop.  I had to go back to lilo to be able to boot anything at all.
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> oh
[03:19] <floater_> reka: 0000:01:00.0 VGA Compatible Controller Matrox inc and some numbers
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> ottoman
[03:19] <Munkey> arg
[03:19] <dooglus> reka, tritium: thanks
[03:19] <spanglesontoast> remember the filename is .asoundrc
[03:19] <Munkey> so i cant use ubuntu on my laptop?
[03:20] <reka> floater_: "MGA XXX" where XXX is G650, G750 or Parhelia?
[03:20] <floater_> G200
[03:20] <confuser> i dont see my fat32 (windows) partition on "place > computer" are they gone or ... ?
[03:20] <Riddell> toran: might need to set --with-qt-headers=/usr/include/qt3  (check exact wording)
[03:20] <reka> dooglus: i've tried others but always come back to xpdf though
[03:20] <floater_> reka: G200 AGP (rev 01)
[03:21] <Ottoman> spanglesontoast, done
[03:21] <reka> confuser: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[03:21] <toran> still getting the error
[03:21] <Ottoman> pm me maybe, it's easier
[03:21] <spanglesontoast> ok
[03:21] <Ottoman> :)
[03:21] <toran> Riddell: by the way, it seems that libqt3-dev and kdelibs4-dev are mutually exclusive
[03:21] <anatole> i have a question: hungarian words with accents do not show.. setting the locale on latin2 did not solve it, plus, setting locales to any other than en_US is a horror
[03:21] <reka> floater_: hmm, not sure.  i would've recommended this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, but i'm not sure if your card is supported.
[03:22] <dooglus> reka: I don't like gnome-gv much
[03:22] <dooglus> tritium: I can't find evince
[03:22] <tritium> dooglus, it's in universe
[03:23] <Amaranth> evince has replaced gpdf in breezy
[03:23] <confuser> i am not familiar with the desktop opetarion, is this gnome that cause it ?
[03:23] <anatole> i mean i have filenames like this: 03 - J??lia nem akar a f??ld??n j??rni (Nap??leon Boulevard).mp3
[03:23] <confuser> operation
[03:23] <dooglus> ok, here's something I don't understand...
[03:23] <dooglus> $ dpkg -l '*evince*'
[03:23] <Amaranth> anatole: the file's name wasn't utf-8
[03:23] <dooglus> No packages found matching *evince*.
[03:23] <Amaranth> dooglus: apt-cache search evince
[03:23] <dooglus> according to dpkg, no packages have "evince" in their name
[03:24] <Amaranth> dooglus: dpkg only shows what you have installed
[03:24] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't think so - it shows me some stuff I don't have installed, too
[03:24] <anatole> Amaranth: it wasn't... should it be? is there no way to show letters with accents?
[03:24] <Amaranth> anatole: utf-8 supports pretty much every language you can think of ;)
[03:24] <Amaranth> anatole: you just need to rename the file, it should be in utf-8 after that
[03:24] <dooglus> Amaranth: for instance, "dpkg -l kde" shows:
[03:24] <dooglus> un  kde            <none>         (no description available)
[03:25] <floater_> reka: I can't install linux headers for now so I can't install that :i (no network) What if I try just choose 'vga' ?
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> http://pastebin.com/293254 help me with my gnome problem
[03:25] <dooglus> I have never installed kde on ubuntu, yet dpkg -l shows it
[03:25] <Amaranth> dooglus: don't know about that, i just know that you should use apt-cache search
[03:25] <reka> floater_: i haven't been following you're problem.  you're saying you can't start X?
[03:25] <anatole> Amaranth: yay thanks
[03:25] <tritium> dooglus, make sure you have universe enabled, and then use apt-cache search to look for it
[03:26] <anatole> the problem is that i have to do this with every friiggin file from windows -_-
[03:26] <confuser> i am not familiar with the desktop opetarion, is this gnome that cause it ?
[03:26] <dooglus> apt-cache works fine - thanks for that.  but what I'm trying to understand is why dpkg -l shows some stuff and not other stuff
[03:26] <Einhoernchen> !seen mindspin
[03:26] <tritium> dooglus, it only shows installed packages
[03:27] <floater_> reka: yea, can't start x.. after installation of kubuntu when I tried to startx it said 'unable to load module glide' then I tried to reconfigure xserver-xorg and changed glide to mga but now it says 'cannot find mga_hal' . Could I choose just 'vga' instead?
[03:27] <dooglus> tritium: it shows some packages that I've never installed, too.  like 'kde' for example (see above)
[03:27] <tritium> dooglus, dpkg -l | grep kde should return nothing if you haven't installed it
[03:27] <thoreauputic> spanglesontoast: it appears to be trying to start icewm ....
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> why?
[03:28] <dooglus> tritium: dpkg -l | grep kde returns nothing, but dpkg -l '*kde*' returns a few lines.
[03:28] <reka> floater_: yes i'd try vga.  at least you might be able to log in.  note that using reconfigure isn't that great an idea.  it tends to stuff up you're xorg file.  it's better to edit xorg.conf directly, making backups of course.
[03:28] <spanglesontoast> it's only started to do that after I had install americas army
[03:28] <tritium> dooglus, read the man page for dpkg for correct usage
[03:29] <dooglus> tritium: it says:               dpkg -l | --list package-name-pattern ...
[03:29] <dooglus>                   List packages matching given pattern.
[03:29] <floater_> what you mean stuff up ?
[03:29] <dooglus> so dpkg -l '*kde*' is correct usage, isn't it?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> reka: your recommendation flies in the face of all received Debian wisdom :)
[03:30] <reka> floater_: adds a lot of stuff that clutters it up.
[03:30] <reka> thoreauputic: heh, perhaps i should have added "IMHO". :-)
[03:31] <ian> hello ppl.. what does .a files in linux?
[03:31] <dooglus> ian: it's a static library
[03:31] <confuser> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000 mounts my fat32 partition#1, how we mounts #2 partiton ? please help
[03:32] <ian> dooglus: i have compiled one.. where will i put this one?
[03:32] <dooglus> ian: more generally, it's an "ar" archive.  run "ar t file.a" to see a list of its contents
[03:32] <spanglesontoast> back
[03:32] <dooglus> ian: being a static library, it has to be used at compile time.  are you going to compile something that needs that library?
[03:34] <ian> dooglus: ic... i want to compiled kiax and it says it needs to have the iaxclient..so i compiled it..i both succesfully compiled it.. but an error occured.
[03:34] <ian> ian@ubuntu:~/Desktop/kiax/iaxclient$ kiax
[03:34] <ian> Qt: Locales not supported on X server
[03:34] <ian> Wed Jun 1 21:34:30 2005 Using IAXClient ver. CVS-2005/06/01-20:21
[03:34] <ian> Wed Jun 1 21:34:30 2005 IaxWrapper::iaxc_initialize() result = -1
[03:34] <ian> Error message:cannot initialize iaxclient!
[03:34] <ian> Exitting application. Possible reason: Device initialization failed.
[03:34] <tritium> ian, please don't paste
[03:35] <ian> tritium: sorry.. :( im new.. it wont happen again..
[03:35] <tritium> ian, no problem :)
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> what's the name of sessions manager
[03:35] <spanglesontoast> for gnome
[03:36] <ian> dooglus: what do you think what's wrong? :(
[03:36] <herpes> spanglesontoast, gnome-session-properties??
[03:36] <selinium> how do i change the password of a remote root with SSH?
[03:36] <phend> hi all. i've just created a patch for something, then applied it with patch -p1 filename < patchname
[03:36] <phend> but i need to undo it, does anyone know the command?
[03:37] <abelli> ciao everybody.
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> ah
[03:37] <spanglesontoast> ty
[03:37] <abelli> does airport xtreme work with linux?
[03:37] <Amaranth> phend: this probably isn't it, but maybe turn the < into a >? :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> abelli: no
[03:37] <Amaranth> phend: make sure to back up the file first ;)
[03:37] <Amaranth> no, wait
[03:37] <Amaranth> don't do that
[03:37] <dooglus> ian: I don't know, sorry.
[03:37] <abelli> thoreauputic: ouueeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:37] <reka> herpes: er, nice nick. :-)
[03:37] <phend> Amaranth, not sure about that. i remember the command a long time ago, but forgot it now
[03:37] <abelli> thoreauputic: will ever?
[03:38] <herpes> reka, thanks
[03:38] <ian> dooglus : no probs..
[03:38] <thoreauputic> abelli: some people are working on it - but broadcom won't co-operate
[03:38] <dooglus> ian: what is iax?
[03:38] <thoreauputic> abelli: http://linux-bcom4301.sourceforge.net/
[03:39] <abelli> thoreauputic: thx
[03:39] <ian> dooglus: its a voip protocol.. i need a softphone..
[03:39] <dooglus> ok.
[03:39] <dooglus> ian: did you install the iaxclient after making it?
[03:40] <podge> thoreauputic, Basically don't buy Broadcom..
[03:40] <Munkey> is LILO on the Ubuntu distro?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> podge: basically, yes
[03:40] <reka> confuser: change the source to /dev/hda2 perhaps for the second partition?
[03:40] <ian> it there any one who nows..a ubuntu package.. that is an softphone that support iax protocol VOIP..
[03:40] <thoreauputic> podge: but I have an iBook G4 , so I'm out of luck....
[03:40] <podge> thoreauputic, These companies have users asking them for support.. and they throw it in their faces.. quick way to go out of business..
[03:40] <herpes> Munkey, yes, but it is not the default boot loader
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> hey
[03:41] <Munkey> how do i make it the default boot loader/
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> how can I stop the error I get
[03:41] <spanglesontoast> when trying to start gnome
[03:41] <podge> thoreauputic, Yeah.. Understood. Hopefully the Linux driver hackers get it working soon!
[03:41] <thoreauputic> podge: I think the problem is they see Linux as a tiny market, so they don't care
[03:42] <podge> thoreauputic, Which in turn gives their competitors the sale..
[03:42] <thoreauputic> podge: indeed
[03:42] <thoreauputic> self-fulfilling prophecy...
[03:43] <podge> thoreauputic, Why should they even consider supporting a Mac? The market is tiny compared to Windows..
[03:43] <Munkey> herpes: how do i make LILO the default boot loader?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> podge: which still doesn't excuse the secrecy
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> what's this mean
[03:43] <spanglesontoast> /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "edd"
[03:43] <tritium> podge, that's their same logic for not supporting linux
[03:43] <Amaranth> It's easier to make a driver for a mac then it is for linux.
[03:43] <podge> thoreauputic, That is the wrong thinking though.. A tiny amount of R&D budget to develop Linux drivers would satisfy the Linux community..
[03:44] <thoreauputic> podge: you are preaching to the converted here ;)
[03:44] <tritium> podge, they need to be convinced that there's a large enough market to make that investment profitable
[03:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: chicken & egg - "the market is too small" - but if the drivers etc were available the market would be bigger.. and so on
[03:46] <Amaranth> They can't just make one linux driver and leave it. They have to make one for each 2.6.x release and possibly one for each distro. Either that or they have to create a wrapper around the kernel that they update for every version and make it open source so the end-user can build it.
[03:46] <podge> tritium, The amount of money they stand to gain from an exercise such as Linux driver development would be large enough..
[03:46] <tritium> podge, I don't think that they are convinced of that yet, or they'd be doing it.
[03:46] <podge> tritium, Essentially ATI was hung out to dry in regards to Linux because Nvidia wrote good drivers..
[03:47] <toxicfum1> why is it that linux programs don't come compiled?
[03:47] <tritium> I'm not arguing with you, it's just a matter of convincing them.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: as far as I know, Broadcom won't even release specs so people can write an open source driver?
[03:47] <thoreauputic> toxicfum1: most of them do !
[03:47] <tritium> thoreauputic, yep, I know what you mean
[03:47] <confuser> reka: thanks for your support :)
[03:47] <herpes> Munkey, i dont know. How bout you install it if you have a working system and see what happens or you could google for an answer or look at the wiki or forums
[03:47] <podge> tritium, Send them the occassional email explaining that you didn't buy their products because they don't support Linux..
[03:47] <toxicfum1> thoreauputic: a lot of them dont :/
[03:47] <reka> confuser: did it work?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> toxicfum1: which program did you want?
[03:48] <klima> hallo
[03:48] <klima> little problem...
[03:48] <klima> there's anyone that can help me?
[03:48] <toxicfum1> thoreauputic: i wanted to install my intel wireless card's drivers
[03:49] <thoreauputic> klima: just ask - don't ask to ask
[03:49] <podge> tritium, What do you think make Nvidia release Linux display drivers?
[03:49] <toxicfum1> and it's all .c and .h files
[03:49] <Munkey> thats the problem, i dont have a working system :/
[03:50] <Munkey> oh bugger it, i'll just stick to XP
[03:50] <Munkey> cheers for the help folks
[03:50] <klima> I have integrated video card, intel extreme graphic 2 with 865G chipset, and syncmaster 710V lcd screen but it don't work with native resolution ,1280x1024
[03:50] <Mez> Whats the easiest way to be able to play .mov files in linux
[03:51] <tritium> podge, like I said, I don't disagree with you
[03:51] <confuser> not yet. hd2 is for hardisk/ide 2 i thinks. i try to mount extended partition (drive d: on windows)
[03:51] <klima> any ideas?
[03:51] <kpanic> hi people, is there parted in ubuntu live ppc with hfs support?
[03:52] <podge> tritium, I think it is more about Redhat, Novell, IBM etc pressuring Broadcom.. hmmm...
[03:52] <shido> anyone remember how to change every file in a directory from buzz45454 to buzz54545.tar ? (2000 fils)
[03:52] <podge> for each in *
[03:52] <podge> do
[03:52] <shido> qparted?
[03:53] <podge> mv $each $each.tar
[03:53] <podge> done
[03:53] <shido> qtparted?
[03:53] <carthik> What are all the different cron files for?
[03:53] <carthik> How can I use them?
[03:53] <kpanic> shido, yeah or qtparted
[03:53] <carthik> isn't crontab -e good enough?
[03:53] <kpanic> shido, parted or qtparted
[03:53] <thoreauputic> podge: that just renames them without tarring them, doesn't ti?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> *it
[03:54] <shido> podge close
[03:54] <Biff> thoreauputic: yep
[03:54] <kpanic> shido, there is?
[03:55] <podge> thoreauputic, Isn't that what he asked? ....
[03:55] <reka> Mez: (1) - add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main to your sources.list (2) apt-get update (3) apt-get install w32 codecs (4) comment out the marillat repo (5) apt-get update
[03:55] <podge> shido, tar -cf $each.tar $each
[03:55] <shido> no
[03:55] <thoreauputic> podge: not sure that's what he meant though
[03:55] <shido> I dont want to tar them
[03:55] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[03:55] <shido> I just want to add *.tar to the end
[03:55] <podge> shido, Hahah.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> ah ok
[03:55] <shido> they are already tarred
[03:56] <podge> shido, Yeah.. so what I wrote initially would work..
[03:56] <podge> thoreauputic, maybe? :)
[03:56] <thoreauputic> podge: I think so
[03:56] <shido> podge they looklike attachment.phpattachmentid355865
[03:56] <shido> $each is going to do that?
[03:57] <novaflare> any one here useing ipv6 over nat on ubuntu with out tspc client?
[03:57] <novaflare> need to know what to use for ubuntu command wise
[03:57] <thoreauputic> shido: $each is just a shorthand - you could equally use $i or whatever
[03:57] <podge> shido, Yep.. because the for loop substitutes each filename with $each..
[03:58] <podge> thoreauputic, Single letter variables reminds me of a guys code that I have to maintain at work.. :)
[03:58] <novaflare> like is it ip tunnel add ipv6tb mode sit remote <IP_ADDRESS> ttl 255 or is it (im thinking this one>>>)ifconfig sit0 up
[03:58] <dooglus> can I get nautilus to just play an mp3 file when I click on it, without the "visualisation" thing?  I don't particularly need a gui at all, just want to listen to the mp3 file
[03:58] <Hajuu> nautilus playing an mp3 file?
[03:59] <Hajuu> learn something new every day
[03:59] <dooglus> Hajuu: using some external app, I guess, but yes
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: I'm not recommending it, merely making an observation :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: I agree each/$each is much better :)
[03:59] <podge> thoreauputic, haha.. then there is the other guy that takes advantage of the 255 limit for var names.. :)
[03:59] <thoreauputic> podge: *groan*
[04:00] <reka> dooglus: that's nautilus launching the default media player: totem
[04:00] <reka> Hajuu: well, it can preview it if you hover on it! :-)
[04:01] <dooglus> reka: so I guess I either want to turn off the pretty graphics in totem (can I?) or change the default media player for mp3 files in nautilus (can I?)
[04:01] <thoreauputic> reka: assuming you have "sox" installed
[04:01] <reka> dooglus: yes and yes.
[04:01] <reka> :-)
[04:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: right click, properties, open with
[04:02] <reka> dooglus: eidt->prefs in totem.  or right-click->properties->open-with in nautilus.
[04:02] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I can do that, but it doesn't seem to offer me any option to "always use this app by default in future"
[04:02] <reka> dooglus: click on the radio button for the desired default.
[04:02] <Hajuu> I just installed the flash plugin for firefox through the firefox extension downloader app thingie.. and my flash animations dont have sound.. why could that be?
[04:03] <ian> how can i change my resolution ? when i go to screen resolution there is only 2 option 800x600 and 640x480..i want to have a higher resol..
[04:03] <thoreauputic> dooglus: properties, open with , add, check the one you want
[04:03] <dooglus> reka: I've turned off the graphics in totem, but the gui is still huge - there's just a big grey area where the graphics used to be.  can't you get rid of that bit altogether?
[04:04] <reka> Hajuu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24509
[04:04] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I can see "open with", but not "add"
[04:04] <thoreauputic> dooglus: "properties" at the bottom - choose the "open with" tab
[04:04] <reka> dooglus: afaik no.  it's more of a movie player after all.   try a dedicated music player like beep-media-player
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I think you are in the wrong dialog
[04:05] <dooglus> reka: I can't see how to get nautilus to change its default - but thoreauputic is helping me with this.
[04:05] <selinium> Any rsync users about?
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dooglus: after right click, go to the bottom entry (properties)
[04:05] <Hajuu> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libesd.so.0 /usr/lib/libesd.so.1
[04:05] <Hajuu> ok
[04:05] <reka> ian: running hoary?
[04:05] <Hajuu> whats that doing?
[04:06] <dooglus> thoreauputic: ok.  i see.  that seems to have hung nautilus though
[04:06] <ian> reka: yup..
[04:06] <reka> ian: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:06] <reka> Hajuu: did it work?
[04:07] <Hajuu> reka:  I make a habit not do run anything I don't know what its doing anymore.. since I screwed some stuff up when I first installed heh
[04:07] <dooglus> the icons have disappeared from the desktop, and none of the 'places' menu entries do anything any more :(
[04:07] <DarkraD-> hello, who know how to switch language on ubuntu 5.04?
[04:07] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm - odd
[04:07] <DarkraD-> i downloaded and installed all packages from translation repository
[04:07] <ian> reka: what do i next? :)
[04:07] <dooglus> thoreauputic: half an hour ago it told me that nautilus had crashed and asked if I wanted to inform the developers.  but then it got better again.
[04:08] <reka> ian: look for Section "Screen"
[04:08] <dooglus> this time it's just stopped - no question about informing the developers
[04:08] <Hajuu> another question
[04:08] <jeroen_> DarkraD-, log out, change language settings, log in
[04:08] <Hajuu> is there an easy way to change the default file explorer from nautilus?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I use rox filer here, mostly (I don't like nautilus much and I'm currently using fluxbox, not gnome)
[04:08] <seaPig|wrk> selinium, login -> change password ???
[04:08] <DarkraD-> where is language settings? =)
[04:09] <DarkraD-> *are
[04:09] <ian> reko: found.. there are many subsection.. what will i do with this?
[04:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I've never liked gnome much.  First impressions with ubuntu were that finally it was stable, but it seems not to be the case really.
[04:09] <Ottoman> hey, my resolution changed after quake 3 crashed, and nog 3/4 of my screen is black
[04:09] <jeroen_> DarkraD-, log out, click language, select your favorite language, log in again
[04:09] <reka> can you seen the lines that look something like this:             Modes           "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:09] <Ottoman> nog=now
[04:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it's OK - I'm happier with fluxbox or xfce4 personally
[04:10] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:10] <reka> Hajuu: it's making a symbolic link to the right sound plugin
[04:10] <thoreauputic> xfce4 is nice if you want a DE
[04:10] <ian> reka: this one?
[04:10] <ian> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:10] <ian> 		Depth		1
[04:10] <ian> 		Modes		"800x600" "640x480"
[04:10] <ian> 	EndSubSection
[04:11] <reka> ian: don't paste > 2 lines, but yes
[04:11] <reka> ian: what res do you want to have as default?
[04:11] <ian> reka: 1024x768
[04:11] <sylone> Hi@all. I had a dummy question. Is in ubuntu the most as in debian. I mean such as "dpkg-reconfigure" or "apt-get install"?
[04:12] <reka> ian: then change all the lines to Modes  "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480".
[04:12] <jeroen_> sylone, yes
[04:12] <thoreauputic> sylone: yes, debian commands work the same
[04:12] <reka> ian: save the document, reboot and you're done.
[04:12] <jeroen_> ian, no need to reboot, just restart X
[04:12] <jeroen_> ian, ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:12] <sylone> jeroen_: Thanks
[04:12] <sylone> thoreauputic: Thanks
[04:12] <tritium> ian, you might try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" rather than editing your xorg.conf file by hand first
[04:12] <reka> jeroen_: ah, good catch.  ctrl+alt+backspace?
[04:12] <jeroen_> reka, yes
[04:13] <jeroen_> reka, although that's not the nicest way of shutting down X
[04:13] <jeroen_> reka, it's also usefull when your system freezes, because it might be "just X"
[04:13] <podge> logout should restart X..
[04:13] <sylone> Ok, then my last idiot question. What is with the root password? Is there any defaults. I cant remember that i have enter it on the installation
[04:14] <reka> jeroen_: interesting. thanks.
[04:14] <jeroen_> sylone, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:14] <DarkraD> i don't have any language button
[04:14] <jeroen_> DarkraD, do you use Kubuntu?
[04:14] <Shuddertrix> sylone: jeroen_'s link, read that. If you really want root to be able to login, sudo passwd root
[04:14] <sylone> jeroen_: Thank you, again
[04:14] <DarkraD> ya
[04:15] <thoreauputic> sylone: by default, Ubuntu uses sudo in preference to root
[04:15] <Shuddertrix> DarkraD: Most of the Ubuntu things are different for Kubuntu..
[04:15] <DarkraD> ic
[04:15] <jeroen_> DarkraD, Kubuntu uses another login system, kdm. I don't know it. Ask again here, or ask on #kubuntu
[04:15] <sylone> Shuddertrix: I need root to do a dpkg-reconfigure
[04:15] <Micksa> are there people with reasonably good kernel knowledge here?
[04:15] <jeroen_> sylone, sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[04:15] <Micksa> or should I just jump straight to #ubuntu-devel? :)
[04:15] <Shuddertrix> sylone: sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[04:16] <Micksa> my inspiron 6000 doesn't want to work. kernel won't init the hard drive
[04:16] <Micksa> something about 0x1f0-0x1f7 being taken, by libata, even though I can't seem to find the drive under any other guise.
[04:16] <DarkraD> ya jeroen_, kde is there
[04:17] <Micksa> anyone?
[04:17] <jeroen_> DarkraD, can't help you with kdm. Ask someone else
[04:17] <Micksa> anyone?
[04:18] <sylone> Is that the recommandation? Sudo to the command and not work as root?
[04:18] <jeroen_> sylone, yes, or sudo -s
[04:18] <thoreauputic> sylone: yes - use your user password with sudo
[04:18] <bigjb-> anyone any luck installing tor from the noreply sources on 5.04? Im getting a gpg error
[04:19] <thoreauputic> sylone: jeroen_ 's command will get you a root shell
[04:19] <jeroen_> bigjb-, that's because it's not authenticated
[04:19] <bigjb-> arse
[04:20] <sylone> Thank you all guys for your help, you're greate to me ;-)
[04:20] <sylone> Bye and greetings from black forrest, germany
[04:20] <bigjb-> can i override the gpg check at all?
[04:22] <ian> thanks guys.. my resolution was changed.. :)
[04:22] <jeroen_> sylone, hercynic woods?
[04:22] <leonel> Anyone with ubuntu as a Produccition  www/dns/mail/database server   how it goes  knowing that ubuntu is desktop oriented ?
[04:22] <carthik> So what are the different crons for?
[04:22] <carthik> How do I use them?
[04:22] <carthik> Sorry I've had to repeat myself :)
[04:22] <iratsu> how do i disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:23] <reka> ian: good work
[04:23] <sylone> jeroen_: What for woods?
[04:23] <ian> how do i kill a process..like my XMMS hangs..
[04:23] <ian> reka: thanks..
[04:24] <reka> ian: killall xmms.  if xmms is hanging, try changing the output plugn to esound
[04:24] <reka> also, check out beep-media-player. IMHO it's cleaner and nicer.
[04:24] <ian> reka: how do i do that?
[04:25] <reka> ian: open a terminal apps->sys tools
[04:25] <reka> and type "killall xmms" (w/o quotes)
[04:25] <ian> reka: yes..finish..i mean "try changing the output plugn to esound" how do i do that?
[04:26] <Shuddertrix> yeah, bmp is cleaner no matter what, it uses the same themes but with gtk2 instead of xmms' gtk1
[04:26] <podge> Can someone visit the www.sun.com site.. my X.org goes through the roof CPU wise whenever I hit the site.. anyone else got the problem?
[04:26] <reka> ian: preferences : plugins: output or something like that.  change it from oss to esound
[04:27] <underdog> podge: no problems ehre
[04:27] <reka> Shuddertrix: yes, but most people only know xmms which is a shame.
[04:27] <BuzW> G'morning all.
[04:27] <podge> underdog, scroll over the pictures..
[04:27] <ian> reka: thanks! it works now..
[04:27] <reka> sure
[04:27] <underdog> nothing at all
[04:28] <jeroen_> sylone, the black forrest, Germany, I think it was called the Hercynic wood in the Roman times.
[04:28] <BuzW> Very, very newbie here. I'm trying to install a product, but it appears I don't have a valid C compiler in my path.  Total newbie here. Where's a good place to read how to setup my environment after initial install?
[04:35] <Luisita> para que ministerio nos toca irnos hoy?
[04:35] <reka> Shuddertrix: only from that y tu movie. :-)
[04:36] <podge> jeroen_, Yep.. it slows the X server down HEAPS!!!
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Read on adding extra repositories
[04:36] <morita02_> putas ustedes
[04:36] <morita02_> todas
[04:36] <jeroen_> podge, on my system it isn't that bad
[04:36] <BuzW> Shuddertrix: Thanks.
[04:36] <morita02_> portugues del coo
[04:36] <Yully> mira portugues hedeondo deja el pegue
[04:36] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Once that it done, make sure you ran 'sudo apt-get update' then run 'sudo apt-get install x3270
[04:36] <thoreauputic> amaranth, +q on languages needed?
[04:37] <Shuddertrix> BuzW: Make sure the "x" is not capitilized.
[04:37] <Yully> pa el ministerio de Gafos y Tecnologia
[04:37] <morita02_> esooooooooooooo
[04:37] <morita02_> la elegida
[04:37] <morita02_> jijjiooooooo
[04:37] <Amaranth> Guys, this is an English only channel. Please go to #ubuntu-es for Spanish chat (or if that's portugese the channel for it).
[04:37] <morita02_> LA FUERTE CANDIDATA
[04:37] <morita02_> AL REINADO DEL MINISTERIO DE CIENCIA Y TECNOLOGIAQ
[04:37] <podge> jeroen_, Well.. it comes back after a little bit.. Something to have a look at.. Thanks for checking..
[04:37] <reka> lol.
[04:37] <podge> Talk again soon people..
[04:38] <reka> now you guys are in for it.
[04:38] <Amaranth> channel ban list is full...
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Somebody should translate that.
[04:38] <Guerin> Yo. Does ubuntu's default install run a sshd?
[04:38] <Yully> miren a PP
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: no
[04:38] <Amaranth> Guerin: No
[04:38] <Yully> jajaja
[04:38] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:38] <Guerin> ok. Is running it as simple as doing sudo invoke-rc.d ssh?
[04:38] <Amaranth> there
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:39] <Guerin> ok, need to be installed first
[04:39] <iratsu> anyone here know how i can disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: thanks, it was getting a bit out of hand...
[04:39] <Guerin> will it run by default once installed?
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> yeah, then it will be configured to start up automatically and then it should start up
[04:39] <reka> \0/ thanks Amaranth
[04:39] <Guerin> awesome
[04:39] <Amaranth> bob2: PING?
[04:39] <Guerin> i have a mate whose ubuntu install failed to set up X and he's utterly lost
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: If not, sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[04:39] <Shuddertrix> Guerin: I believe that is the right command, at least
[04:39] <carthik> Guerin was that a laptop?
[04:40] <carthik> Shuddertrix, it does start up by default :)
[04:40] <Guerin> carthik: nope, desktop. No idea on the spec though
[04:40] <Shuddertrix> carthik: You never know :)
[04:40] <carthik> Guerin,  for adding startup scripts, you can use update-rc.d  too
[04:40] <carthik> Guerin, ask him to check if the BIOS has the proper setting for the amount of videoram on the chip
[04:40] <iiki> anyone know much about other distros of linux?
[04:41] <iiki> pref gentoo
[04:41] <Guerin> carthik: yeah, I know about init; i just need to know if I can login and change shit. Does ubuntu use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to make an xserver work?
[04:41] <Yully> yul esta kllada
[04:41] <Yully> de pana
[04:41] <carthik> Guerin, failing which, he may need to use a custom install command, depend on the model, to account for hardware issues?
[04:41] <Shuddertrix> Yully: /join #ubuntu-es
[04:41] <carthik> Guerin, yeah, that is a way to reconfigure it
[04:41] <Shuddertrix> Yully: /part #ubuntu
[04:41] <Guerin> carthik: naw, he's already installed; the x server worked fine with the livecd, just the install which isn't working.
[04:42] <Luisita> si y se nos queda viendo a veces
[04:42] <carthik> iiki, #gentoo would be a good place to ask :)
[04:42] <carthik> Guerin, try reconfiguring it
[04:42] <Yully> si d pana tu tambien lo has visto!!!
[04:42] <Luisita> si
[04:42] <carthik> or just save the xorg.conf from the livecd and use that with xorg after the install :)
[04:42] <Luisita> tambien es que todos estamos serios
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Luisita: Yully , you have seen what already happened - please speak english or go elsewhere
[04:43] <reka> Amaranth: ping
[04:43] <Guerin> carthik: yeah, I can reconfigure an X server alright; just need to know what I'm working with.  Xine keeps giving me this annoying message about missing "audio codec MPEG Layer 2/3", I have installed libmpeg2-4, libavifile and every movie orientated library there is
[04:43] <Amaranth> Seriously guys, you've been warned.
[04:43] <envel> wheris ubuntu-ru channel?
[04:44] <Guerin> carthik: cheers.
[04:44] <roshlame> It's like "No, no, no roshlame you are not supposed to watch avi files on Ubuntu" ;P
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> ingls por favor , ou mais #ubuntu-es (en espanol: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es)
[04:44] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: That's "english please, or else #ubuntu-es for them. I hope it works.
[04:44] <reka> roshlame: installed w32codecs?
[04:45] <envel> #Ubuntu-ru works=)
[04:45] <reka> Shuddertrix: correct me if i'm wrong but weren't they swearing or something?
[04:45] <roshlame> reka, No ;)
[04:45] <IIIEars>  (going to get flamed cringe) spanish doesn't bother me. - just don't see how we can help if they speak spanish..
[04:45] <Shuddertrix> reka: No, but my spanish/portugeues that I learned is a bit rusty
[04:45] <_luke> how do you enable the root user?
[04:45] <Shuddertrix> IIIEars: I helped them with what I said
[04:46] <roshlame> reka, is it gonna help me?
[04:46] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the problem is it acts as spam for those who don't speak their language
[04:46] <Yully> saben algo vamos hacer est trab bien pero ya vasta!!!
[04:46] <_luke> how do you enable the root user?
[04:46] <reka> roshlame: i'd say yes. :-)  it pretty mcuh has every vid codec you'll need
[04:46] <Shuddertrix> _luke: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/faq/root
[04:46] <underdog> Yully: mama mes cojones e cala-te
[04:46] <caonex> underdog: that is wrong.
[04:46] <mindspin> haha thats sounds dirty
[04:47] <underdog> mindspin: i hate spanish people
[04:47] <Yully> your mother!!!
[04:47] <reka> :-)
[04:47] <underdog> lol
[04:47] <roshlame> Oh and apt-get found it! I'm downloading it right away
[04:47] <caonex> yully: mamame los cojones
[04:47] <mindspin> why generalizing?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> underdog: code of conduct, please
[04:47] <roshlame> thank you reka
[04:47] <IIIEars> uhey you guys grow up even i know that much spanish. cajones? - not funny.
[04:47] <reka> sure.
[04:47] <caonex> yully, perdon no era a ti que le iba a decir eso
[04:47] <mindspin> I would never say "Ihate american people"
[04:47] <caonex> yully, me equivoque de apodo.
[04:47] <Yully> ok eso espero!!!
[04:48] <Yully> d dond eres caonex
[04:48] <Shuddertrix> portuguese is #ubuntu-pt
[04:48] <caonex> yully, se lo iba a decir al loco ese
[04:48] <iratsu> anyone here know how i can disactivate broadcast mode on eth0?
[04:48] <caonex> Yully, soy dominicano y tu?
[04:48] <Yully> es q no puedo reproducir mp3 y no puedo como hago!!!
[04:48] <caonex> iratsu, you have it automatic when you boot?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> guys, english please or ops again...
[04:48] <iratsu> caonex: yea
[04:48] <caonex> iratsu, /etc/network/interfaces
[04:49] <caonex> remove dhcp
[04:49] <underdog> thoreauputic: sorry, but their attitude is making me mad
[04:49] <Shuddertrix> Yully: ingls por favor , ou mais #ubuntu-pt (en espanol: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es) : please read what I said!
[04:49] <caonex> iratsu, and add the desired ip address
[04:49] <iratsu> caonex: well no, eth0 isn't actually up when i boot
[04:49] <toxicfum1> can anyone here help me with installation of my intel pro wireless card's drivers please?
[04:49] <IIIEars> Yully - gstreamer-mad will let you listen to mp3's
[04:49] <Shuddertrix> thoreauputic: Shouldn't they be able to read that?
[04:49] <iratsu> caonex: i'm trying to get pppoe working
[04:49] <caonex> yully, private message
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Shuddertrix: I get the impression they don't care...
[04:50] <Yully> no c reproduce no puedo!!!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: bob2: ping again
[04:50] <_luke> how can I give my user account permanent root privilages?
[04:50] <Shuddertrix> it's spanish
[04:51] <mindspin> is there an option to install ubuntu without GUI ?
[04:51] <reka> _luke: sure you want to do that?
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> Yully: ingls por favor o bien #ubuntu-es : english please, or else #ubuntu-es
[04:51] <_luke> yes. I see it as the only way to do what I want
[04:51] <Guerin> ok, does ubuntu have lynx by default? or other non-x tools which can be used to find an ip address
[04:51] <thoreauputic> thank you, Amaranth
[04:51] <_luke> I'll take it off if it doesn't work
[04:51] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> ignorant spainards.
[04:51] <caonex> iratsu, well you can configure /etc/network/interfaces
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> thanks a lot Amaranth
[04:51] <Guerin> without resorting to a big ifconfig|awk line :)
[04:51] <Shuddertrix> I hurt my brain.
[04:51] <spiderworm> hi all with network-admin when i put in my dns server and hit ok, it changes the dns info from what i put in every time, i have to go into /etc/resolv.conf and manually put in the correct dns server information, does anyone know why it's doing that?
[04:51] <Amaranth> the ban list is packed
[04:52] <Amaranth> i'm going to clean it out
[04:52] <mindspin> ore domreps as far as I recogned
[04:52] <caonex> iratsu, you can do something like iface eth0 <ip>
[04:52] <_luke> reka: do you know how?
[04:52] <Shuddertrix> Anyone have bacta? My head is teh hurting
[04:52] <iratsu> caonex: well the thing is it's not a static ip
[04:52] <reka> _luke: i think there's a way of logging in as root.  giving a particular user permanent root priveleges on the other hand ...
[04:53] <mindspin> is there an option to install ubuntu without GUI ?
[04:53] <caonex> iratsu, eth0 has internet?
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> _luke: You can't give a user the power of root. You, can, however, give root a password (sudo passwd root)
[04:53] <iratsu> caonex: no
[04:53] <Shuddertrix> mindspin: Install with the server setting
[04:54] <iratsu> caonex: trying to get internet working
[04:54] <reka> _luke: there you go.  thanks Shuddertrix .
[04:54] <Amaranth> eek
[04:54] <Guerin> wtf
[04:54] <Amaranth> supposed to group them when removing, stupid xchat
[04:54] <_luke> I need to be able to copy files from this computer onto an ubuntu system through ssh or scp. my root account wont work for that for some reason
[04:54] <Amaranth> Sorry about that guys, the ban list was full.
[04:54] <caonex> ok, if the ip from the internet is not static, you may be better off with dhcp
[04:54] <Amaranth> So I cleaned out the old entries.
[04:54] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: Whatever helps us to keep banning the other language people.
[04:54] <reka> Amaranth: i agree. no worries.
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> Amaranth: I'll help to translate.. ;)
[04:55] <iratsu> caonex: well probably but i don't think i get to the decide that... the ISP doesn't offer DHCP i think
[04:55] <reka> that was actually the 1st ban i've seen in #ubuntu
[04:55] <caonex> iratsu, it has to offer something because it needs to assign your ip
[04:55] <Shuddertrix> Babelfish does russian!
[04:55] <iratsu> caonex: well yes... it offers pppoe
[04:56] <Amaranth> either inci_ and aysu just randomly have the same indent or we're about to get bot flooded
[04:56] <thoreauputic> reka: we try to be friendly and reasonable, but sometimes...
[04:56] <iratsu> caonex: but to get that working, i have to disactivate broadcast on eth0
[04:56] <Shuddertrix> that's supposed to be english please, but you know Bablefish's accuracy rate (if not, it's like 2 in<PHONE_NUMBER> million trillion billion
[04:56] <thenuke> http://www.student.oulu.fi/~ipalonen/type-magic_hidcam1.mpeg
[04:56] <_luke> luke@kubuntu:~ $ scp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp root@ubuntu:/var/www     ---this doesn't work
[04:56] <caonex> iratsu, try doing ifup eth0
[04:56] <toxicfume> can anyone here help me with installation of my intel pro wireless card's drivers please?
[04:57] <_luke> it wont accept my password
[04:57] <iratsu> caonex: ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[04:57] <reka> thoreauputic: yes, i know.  #ubuntu has been great/newbie-friendly from what i've seen.
[04:57] <caonex> iratsu, the broadcast on eth0 is the one to get the ip from the dhcp, is not that is broadcasting dhcp, to my understanding
[04:57] <caonex> iratsu what ip? local? or wan?
[04:58] <dooglus> what package are the openoffice.org templates in?
[04:58] <iratsu> caonex: what do you mean?
[04:58] <xplod> Hi, i tried the live dvd a cupple of minutes ago. But the internet did'nt work. Is i because i have internt netcard?
[04:58] <_luke> luke@kubuntu:~ $ scp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp root@ubuntu:/var/www   this command wont work, it wont accept my password, any ideas?
[04:59] <Amaranth> _luke: Just cp
[04:59] <dooglus> _luke: are you sure root@ubuntu _has_ a password?
[04:59] <Amaranth> _luke: sudo cp /home/luke/MyPictures/Random-Toons/blawt02.bmp /var/www
[04:59] <Shuddertrix> _luke: sudo cp
[04:59] <_luke> dooglus _yes_
[04:59] <dooglus> _luke: can you "su root" on ubuntu?
[05:00] <othernoob> dooglus sudo -i
[05:00] <_luke> /home/luke/MyPictures...  is remote from the ubuntu system
[05:00] <thoreauputic> _luke: then you need to give the host as well
[05:01] <iratsu> caonex: ?
[05:01] <ian> how can i make thunderbird..when ever i close it..it goes to the upper left corner.. like gaim..
[05:01] <ian> it just shows the icon..
[05:01] <caonex> iratsu, when it says broadcasting whenever you use network-admin
[05:02] <caonex> iratsu, that may be when is trying to obtain an ip address
[05:02] <caonex> iratsu, without broadcast you need to assign a static ip
[05:02] <ian> how can i make thunderbird..when ever i close it..it goes to the upper left corner.. like gaim..it just shows the icon..
[05:03] <iratsu> caonex: well when i run start-pppoe, it says "Warning: Interface eth0 still in Broadcast mode"
[05:03] <envel> inci_ sending a virus
[05:04] <caonex> iratsu, do this first "ifdown eth0", then do it
[05:04] <caonex> iratsu, let us see what happens
[05:04] <iratsu> caonex: well i can't do it right now. I'm actually helping a friend do this because he can't access internet... for obvious reasons
[05:05] <jeroen_> ian, maybe there's a plugin for that
[05:05] <iratsu> caonex: but it apparently needs eth0 to be up for some reason
[05:05] <caonex> iratsu, ok good call, then
[05:05] <iratsu> caonex: http://service.sympatico.ca/index.cfm?method=content.view&category_id=99&content_id=1138
[05:05] <ram_einstein> hey, I just installed ubuntu and I have a problem with a firefox plugin: macromedia flash player
[05:05] <caonex> hmm....one sec
[05:05] <ram_einstein> I downloaded http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[05:05] <ivoks_> inci_ = spamer
[05:05] <ivoks_> please kick
[05:06] <ram_einstein> please kick inci_
[05:06] <ram_einstein> no ops around?
[05:06] <ivoks_> bob2: ping
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ping re inci_ (spam)
[05:06] <ram_einstein> as I was saying, I installed flash player plugin from that site
[05:06] <bigfoot> how can i change my username in ubuntu?
[05:06] <ram_einstein> but my cound on macromedia movies
[05:07] <ram_einstein> not enough Amaranth
[05:07] <ram_einstein> he can't speak on the channel
[05:07] <ivoks> Amaranth: thank you :)
[05:07] <ram_einstein> but he can msg us privately
[05:07] <Amaranth> he can do that even if i kick him
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> ram_einstein: he can even if banned from the channel
[05:07] <ram_einstein> I don't think you can do anything about it
[05:07] <ram_einstein> ywah
[05:07] <ram_einstein> it's okay
[05:07] <Amaranth> ignore him
[05:07] <ram_einstein> thanks
[05:07] <Fator_Dee> seems like there's quite a lot of trouble in here today :-\
[05:07] <ivoks> Amaranth: ban/kick
[05:07] <ivoks> :)
[05:07] <dooglus> othernoob: I asked whether he could "su root" because that would be a test of whether he really had, and knew, a root password.  "sudo -s" doesn't need a root password to even exist
[05:08] <bigfoot> anyone, Is it possible to edit my username on my ubuntu system?
[05:08] <_luke> I also can't 'sftp root@ubuntu' it just wont accept the root password
[05:08] <ram_einstein> okay, why aren't my flash movies working correctly, no sound?
[05:08] <iratsu> caonex: ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> up -arp is not supposed to put it up on broadcast, right?
[05:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> I seem to consistantly have trouble when installing programs that use SDL. SDL is installed in ubuntu by default, right?
[05:08] <ram_einstein> I installed flash player in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[05:08] <dooglus> _luke: what happens if you "su root" on the ubuntu box as a non-root user?
[05:08] <ram_einstein> using the install script
[05:08] <caonex> iratsu, that is what it seems
[05:08] <caonex> iratsu, did you try doing that?
[05:09] <iratsu> caonex: yea we did that
[05:09] <ram_einstein> nobody else has problems with a flash plugin for fireofx?
[05:09] <ram_einstein> *firefox
[05:09] <caonex> hmm....hold on
[05:09] <bigfoot> ram_einstein, i don't
[05:09] <iratsu> ok
[05:09] <Amaranth> ram_einstein: use the package
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: i had
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: remove swf-player
[05:09] <ram_einstein> Amaranth, what package?
[05:09] <ivoks> ram_einstein: and everything around it
[05:09] <ram_einstein> I downloaded the tar
[05:09] <ram_einstein> ivoks, the package?
[05:09] <ram_einstein> apt-get remove swf-player?
[05:10] <dooglus> _luke: your best bet probably is to set up a private/public key pair instead of trying to use passwords
[05:10] <ivoks> ram_einstein: yes
[05:10] <ram_einstein> okay, how do I revert what the installer did? read the install script? one sec
[05:11] <ram_einstein> not installed ivoks
[05:11] <Ottoman> hi
[05:11] <ivoks> ram_einstein: then you should be able to use flash normaly
[05:11] <ram_einstein> plugin for firefox ivoks!
[05:11] <ram_einstein> I had to manual install it
[05:12] <ram_einstein> because the auto installer is only for windoz
[05:12] <ram_einstein> and it failed
[05:12] <Ottoman> any Quake 3 players that are able to help me out here?
[05:12] <ivoks> ram_einstein: ?
[05:12] <caonex> iratsu, what ip address has eth0? do ifconfig eth0 to see
[05:12] <ivoks> ram_einstein: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:13] <ram_einstein> wait a sec... I have to revert first
[05:13] <ram_einstein> are you sure ivoks? nonfree?
[05:13] <iratsu> caonex: well i can't right now because my friend went out to run an errand
[05:13] <Ottoman> any Quake 3 players that are able to help me out here?
[05:13] <iratsu> caonex: are you going to be online later on though?
[05:13] <dooglus> ram_einstein: I had no luck with flashplugin-nonfree - it hung firefox.  I removed it and installed "flashplayer-mozilla" instead, and that's been fine.
[05:13] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: it's in the multiverse repository
[05:14] <anatole> umm... how do i remove application borders in gnome? i would like a terminal only containing text
[05:14] <ram_einstein> I don't have multiverse repos
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[05:14] <ram_einstein> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:14] <ram_einstein> that's my sources.list
[05:15] <ram_einstein> sorry for the paste
[05:15] <neighborlee> is any progress being made in ubuntu to enable autoUmount instead of requiring it to be done via the desktop icon ? ;-)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: you have multiverse in that list...
[05:15] <caonex> iratsu, yes, probably
[05:15] <caonex> iratsu, can u ssh?
[05:16] <iratsu> caonex: not if he doesn't have internet =P
[05:16] <ram_einstein> wait a sec! it isn;t symlinked! it's hardlinked
[05:16] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: you don't have security listed: bad idea
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, oh i see the picture now
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, you helping him by phone
[05:16] <iratsu> caonex: yea i was
[05:16] <kain> hi there, I know that ubuntu is UTF-8, but I've a problem with charsets in php, if I write some iso-8859-1/15 chars, they appears on web pags as '?', anyone knows how to change this behaviour?
[05:16] <caonex> iratsu, i thought he already had internet but was configuring another interface
[05:17] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, tell me what to append
[05:17] <iratsu> caonex: no he has no access to internet at all
[05:17] <caonex> iratsu, i know that now ;)
[05:17] <slashzul> how do you restart ubuntuos X login screen when it crashed?
[05:17] <slashzul> its not running xdm or kdm
[05:17] <Fator_Dee> slashzul: ctrl+alt+del ?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: security lines should exist in your default sources.list - you should uncomment those lines
[05:18] <slashzul> it crashed fator
[05:18] <slashzul> im on console
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> oooh
[05:18] <ram_einstein> can anyone tell me what exactly the flashplayer installer script does?
[05:18] <ram_einstein> I really can't read it
[05:18] <Fator_Dee> its /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:18] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, gone
[05:18] <slashzul> aaaaaaaaaah
[05:18] <slashzul> its gdm
[05:18] <ram_einstein> I don't have the defualt
[05:18] <slashzul> forgot
[05:18] <ram_einstein> all I have is this
[05:18] <iratsu> caonex: i don't know when he's going to be back home, but i'll talk to you later. Thanks a lot for your help
[05:18] <ram_einstein> 3 lines in this sources.list
[05:18] <slashzul> cant tell with all these login start scripts kdm gdm xdm blah blah
[05:19] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I can show you the lines in /msg or *flood if you wish
[05:19] <thoreauputic> #flood
[05:19] <neighborlee> ram_einstein, it allows you to play flash content at websites, but it can also be installed on 'some'webistes automagically ;-)
[05:20] <caonex> iratsu, no need to think i wish i could have done more
[05:20] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: /join #flood
[05:20] <jonas-r> From???
[05:21] <ironwolf> Have hoary CD's shipped yet?
[05:21] <meng> i have a modem issue
[05:22] <meng> i can't seem to change the speed with the gnome systray applet
[05:22] <Kyynara> Hi. I've just installed ubuntu. I've got two partitions on my hd, the other is an ntfs as a "leftover" from windows
[05:22] <meng> is there an alternative to the applet or any other way?
[05:22] <Kyynara> however, when I tried mounting it, I didn't find anything in /dev/hda#
[05:22] <Kyynara> actually, there were no hd's in /dev/
[05:22] <Kyynara> any ideas?
[05:22] <jonas-r> linux cant read nfts as normaly
[05:23] <chrissturm> i am running breezy and i get this error upgrading xbase-clients: xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points
[05:23] <chrissturm>    to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[05:23] <Kyynara> jonas-r: yer, but I should be able to mount it
[05:23] <jonas-r> ok
[05:23] <Kyynara> at least I've mounted my ntfs hd at home
[05:23] <teknoprep> can i just stick a bash script in ~/.kde/Autostart and it will run on startup of that profile in kde
[05:24] <Kyynara> needs to be mounted as vfat, but the problem is that there is nothing in the /dev/ folder (I mean no hd's)
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: don't run breezy
[05:24] <willy> hi guys
[05:24] <meng> can anyone help me with my modem issue
[05:24] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: yes, basically
[05:24] <chrissturm> ivoks: apart from that?
[05:24] <teknoprep> thoreauputic, doesn't matter what the format is then
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: nothing apart from that
[05:24] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: just be sure it is executable
[05:24] <ivoks> chrissturm: read /topic
[05:24] <teknoprep> thoreauputic,  i know that
[05:24] <willy> doe anyone know howx to install a msn messenger client
[05:25] <ivoks> chrissturm: breezy is work in progress
[05:25] <Kyynara> willy: gaim
[05:25] <thoreauputic> teknoprep: OK
[05:25] <ironwolf> willy: apt-get install gaim
[05:25] <chrissturm> ivoks: thx for trying to be helpful
[05:25] <ivoks> chrissturm: it isn't usable, it isn't supported and it isn't stable - it's totally broken
[05:25] <willy> thx
[05:25] <meng> is there an alternative to using the gnome applet to connect dial-up?
[05:26] <willy> the apt-get command does not work
[05:26] <ian> is there any internet radio for linux..
[05:26] <ivoks> chrissturm: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY
[05:26] <anatole> willy: are you root?
[05:26] <chrissturm> ivoks: thanks. that would really help if i hadnt already updated
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: breezy has new C and C++ libs. lots of packages aren't compatibile with it
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: noone can help you! :)
[05:27] <ram_einstein> how do you perform a more powerful search? it doesn't list all the files in the search. esp. /usr/lib
[05:27] <ivoks> chrissturm: you did stoopid thing :)
[05:27] <chrissturm> ok, anyone else?
[05:27] <willy> there is only one user on the pc, so i am root i think
[05:27] <anatole> no you are not
[05:27] <ivoks> :>
[05:27] <ironwolf> chrissturm: breezy is broken, support isn't available for it until it stables out.
[05:27] <anatole> try "sudo aptitude install gaim"
[05:28] <anatole> then your password
[05:28] <ian> Is there any internet radio for linux..
[05:28] <chrissturm> thats ok with me
[05:28] <zenrox> ian, www.shoutcast.com
[05:28] <ivoks> chrissturm: man, it isn't broken like sid, it's much worse!
[05:28] <chrissturm> i thought maybe someone got the same error and has a solution
[05:28] <JasonF> will a Breezy Badger kernel drop-in and work on a Hoary box?
[05:28] <willy> now it works
[05:28] <JasonF> The BB kernel contains a module I need
[05:28] <willy> thx
[05:28] <anatole> np
[05:28] <ivoks> chrissturm: noone here updates breezy for some time
[05:29] <ivoks> chrissturm: people here read topics and anouncments
[05:31] <willy> how can you logon to the root account?
[05:31] <thenuke> cannot if you dont set password for it
[05:31] <thenuke> you can have rootshell by typing sudo su
[05:31] <JasonF> willy: type "sudo su -" in your regular user terminal
[05:31] <thenuke> or run command as a root with sudo command
[05:31] <JasonF> and type your user password
[05:31] <selinium> ian: you can tune into internet radio with musicplayer
[05:32] <kain> hi there, I know that ubuntu is UTF-8, but I've a problem with charsets in php, if I write some iso-8859-1/15 chars, they appears on web pags as '?', anyone knows how to change this behaviour?
[05:32] <tsw> Is there a way to make harddrive "image" other than dd (dont want to make 10Gt image for 2Gt of data)
[05:32] <kain> tsw, maybe dd_rescue ? not sure
[05:33] <thenuke> kain: try dpkg-reconfigure locales, and add support for those charsets and or make iso-8859 your default charset for whole system
[05:33] <tsw> kain: on webpages you have to use ä and such
[05:33] <kain> allright, thanks for suggestions
[05:33] <selinium> anyone here use rsync?
[05:35] <ian> is there a nice client of shout cast?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> ian: try streamtuner with either beep-media-player or xmms
[05:36] <thoreauputic> ian: the default is xmms
[05:36] <kain> thenuke, well, http://pastebin.com/293329
[05:36] <thoreauputic> but you can change it in prefs
[05:36] <deviant> how can i create a bootable cd using k3b?
[05:36] <kain> I've set up en_US iso-8859-1 and it_IT@euro iso-8859-15..mm
[05:37] <thoreauputic> ian: also install streamripper to rip music using streamtuner
[05:38] <thoreauputic> ian: both are in the universe repository
[05:39] <ram_einstein> I did exactly "copy libflashplayer.so to your Mozilla plugins directory and flashplayer.xpt to your Mozilla components directory" without using the installer
[05:40] <ram_einstein> my flash player plugin still doesn'twork
[05:40] <ian> i also tried xmms and access shoutcast.. music does not play continues.. i mean it stop the middle of a song and play.. whats wrong?
[05:40] <ram_einstein> it shows the movie sans music
[05:40] <ram_einstein> and and when I click settings, it comes up with a nearly blank dialog
[05:40] <willy> yess Xirc and gaim work
[05:40] <ram_einstein> I can't read the text on it
[05:41] <ram_einstein> what could be wrong?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> ian: hard to say from your description: are you choosing an appropriate bitrate for your connection?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> ian: if you are using dialup choose 24 for preference
[05:42] <ram_einstein> I copied flashplugin.xpt to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components and libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[05:42] <ram_einstein> some flash movies get stuck in the middle when loading
[05:42] <ram_einstein> and I have to force quit firefox
[05:43] <ian> thoreauputic: how can i choos bitrate?
[05:43] <ian> where can i set it ?
[05:43] <ram_einstein> there's something seriously wrong, please help me correct it...
[05:43] <thoreauputic> ian: you choose the source on shoutcast
[05:43] <thoreauputic> not in your client
[05:44] <Kyynara> How a S-ATA harddrives named in /dev/?
[05:44] <Kyynara> *are
[05:44] <ian> thoreauputic: ic.. ok..
[05:44] <NigelS> Kyynara: sd*
[05:44] <Kyynara> k
[05:44] <Kyynara> thank you
[05:44] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, I searched forduplicates and found none too
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats (section 5 on flash)
[05:45] <leo_mx> does somebody know how can i mount an extra hard disk i have? it only has data, no OS....or maybe somebody could tell me where can i read something about it
[05:45] <kestas2> is there some thing where you cant play wmv9 or something in totem?
[05:45] <kestas2> when I play most wmvs it says 'encrypted'
[05:46] <thoreauputic> kestas2: read and follow  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:46] <carthik> How do I change my default editor to vim, from pico or nano(whichever it is currently)?
[05:46] <kestas2> Ive installed totem-xine, w32codecs and such if thats what youre thinking thoreauputic
[05:47] <goldfish_> carthik: change the $EDITOR variable.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> kestas2: I see - Ok
[05:47] <kestas2> in mplayer it plays all green and messed up
[05:47] <ian> thoreauputic: thanks! it work ..
[05:47] <ram_einstein> okay thanks thoreauputic, I'll first uninstall the current one
[05:47] <NigelS> leo_mx: yeah, if you just type mount /dev/<whatever> /mnt/<mount point> then that'll just mount it - depending on the filesystem there are other options you can give to which are listed in the man page, e.g. -o uid=1000 to make it owned by your first normal user
[05:47] <kestas2> you cant see anything, but in totem you get 'Encrypted'
[05:47] <thoreauputic> ian: :)
[05:47] <carthik> goldfish_ echo $EDITOR gives me a blank line
[05:48] <kestas2> so can totem-xine and mplayer play the latest wmv formats?
[05:48] <carthik> goldfish_ so should I say EXPORT $EDITOR=vim ?
[05:48] <Raskall> I wish to set 775 on all new files on a nfs mounted directory. Where do I set the mask?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> ian: if you install streamtuner and streamripper as I suggested, you'll see the bitrates on the right in the client
[05:48] <Fator_Dee> carthik: you can set the environmen variable to ~/.bash_profile
[05:48] <Raskall> in /etc/exports?
[05:49] <Fator_Dee> or do you want to change it?
[05:49] <goldfish> carthik: yah
[05:50] <carthik> goldfish, that gives me "bash: EXPORT: command not found"
[05:50] <goldfish> carthik: set it in .bashrc to change permamnent
[05:50] <goldfish> carthik: export
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> carthik: export
[05:50] <elekis> hi
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> and I assume that it won't survive the boor?
[05:50] <Fator_Dee> *boot
[05:50] <jeroen_> elekis, hi
[05:50] <elekis> I have some trouble with my hoay,
[05:50] <jeroen_> elekis, just ask
[05:51] <Fator_Dee> so you'd have to put the line export EDITOR=vim to ~/.bash_profile
[05:51] <zenrox> ya we will answer if we can help you fix it
[05:51] <carthik> Fator_Dee, goldfish I edited ~/.bash_profile -- now how do I "reload" bash, so the changes take effect?
[05:51] <Munkey> rah, i finally got ubuntu to install, but for some reason it wont see my network card
[05:51] <Munkey> how do i get it to see it?
[05:51] <goldfish> carthik: open a new shell
[05:51] <goldfish> carthik: it should work
[05:51] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, didn't solve the problem!
[05:52] <Tannin> Hi! Can anyone help me get framebuffer working? I have vesafb compiled into the kernel and tried vga= with various valid modes, but all I ever get is a black screen until x starts. I have no /dev/fb0 device and "dmesg|grep fb" shows nothing framebuffer-related.
[05:52] <ram_einstein> I did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: then I'm out of ideas, sorry
[05:52] <ram_einstein> the situation is exactly the same!
[05:52] <ram_einstein> it's okay, thanks for your help anyway thoreauputic
[05:52] <carthik> goldfish, it is not, I tried crontab -e and it opens my cron file in Nano
[05:52] <carthik> in a new shell, that is
[05:52] <ram_einstein> someone else suggested installed something else
[05:52] <goldfish> hmmmmmmm.
[05:52] <leo_mx> mmm my hard disk is detected in the "device manager"...but the HD is in HDA and the "volume" is in HDA1 which one should i mount?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I just went to a flash page and downloaded the "automatic" plugin and it installed fine
[05:52] <serj> Tannin ever tried installing splashy? i installed it and fb works in the console no problem
[05:52] <ram_einstein> I wasn't paying attention
[05:53] <ram_einstein> thoreauputic, ubuntu 5.04 and firefox?
[05:53] <ram_einstein> then link me
[05:53] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: yup
[05:53] <ram_einstein> you mean online installer right?
[05:53] <Tannin> serj: Yes, splashy is installed and it starts, but everything stays black
[05:53] <thoreauputic> link you to what? A flash page?
[05:53] <goldfish> carthik: sorry
[05:53] <ram_einstein> ...
[05:53] <elekis> the first is the /dev/dvd link, I folowed a how to who said change that line "       BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z] ", PROGRAM="/etc/udev/cdsymlinks.sh %k", SYMLINK="%c{1} %c{2}" "
[05:53] <elekis> in /etc/udev/udev.rules, but prob, I havent that line in this file
[05:53] <ram_einstein> well...
[05:53] <goldfish> carthik: 'source ~/.bashrc'
[05:53] <serj> Tannin i have the same prob, just hit ctrl+alt+f1 and it goes away
[05:54] <serj> when it gets black at startup
[05:54] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I went to a flash page, it offered to install , I said yes..
[05:54] <Fator_Dee> carthik: yea, source .bash_profile, sorry I forgot to tell you :-\
[05:54] <goldfish> Fator_Dee: me too :)
[05:54] <goldfish> heh
[05:54] <ram_einstein> firefox came up with the missing plugin dialog or was it the site that offered an online installer?
[05:54] <carthik> Fator_Dee, goldfish, thanks, but why is one of you saying bash_profile and the other bashrc
[05:55] <Fator_Dee> it could be done by both files?
[05:55] <carthik> I added EXPORT EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim in bashrc, and it works
[05:55] <goldfish> carthik: yeah
[05:55] <Fator_Dee> so a matter of preference?
[05:55] <goldfish> no
[05:55] <Tannin> serj: thanks for the input, but no luck. :(
[05:55] <goldfish> one is for login shells
[05:55] <goldfish> i think
[05:55] <thoreauputic> ram_einstein: I think it was the missing plugin dialog, but I got the offer to install (it's been a while...)
[05:55] <elekis> what mustr I do for , when I put a dvd in the dvdlector,  he create the link /*dev/dvd
[05:55] <ram_einstein> :)
[05:55] <ram_einstein> sad
[05:55] <ram_einstein> it's okay
[05:55] <ram_einstein> I'll try some other time
[05:55] <ram_einstein> I am out
[05:56] <elekis> there my file /etc/udev/udev.rules,
[05:56] <elekis> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bifnXw19.html
[05:59] <anatole> somebody pleease tell how to set windowframe visibillity for each app in gnome :p
[05:59] <kimo_> guys, I am facing a strange problem! And I am not a newbie. Any script I try to execute, no matter sh/csh/perl , I get "permission denied, sh/csh/perl bad interpreter!". If I "perl ./script" it works. Any ideas?
[05:59] <carthik> How do I direct the output of cron to /dev/null, without outputting errors to /dev/null. I still want to have the errors (if any) emailed to me
[06:00] <floater_> what up with sound server when it says /dev/dsp no such dir or file. I just installed kubuntu. It didn't find my sound card or smth I take it, what should I do
[06:00] <pestilence> kimo_: how are you trying to run when you get that error?
[06:00] <alastair> try chmod +x filename
[06:00] <kimo_> running as ./script
[06:00] <kimo_> scripts are 777
[06:00] <kimo_> any language, any script!
[06:00] <pestilence> kimo_: and does the #! line match the path to the interpreter?
[06:01] <ian> is there a way when ever i close my thunderbird mail it just go to the upper left..like gaim..
[06:01] <ian> ?
[06:01] <kimo_> yep, I mean it's /bin/sh !
[06:01] <pestilence> true :)
[06:01] <elekis> stupid other question beut, does exist a program who allow to change wallpaper every x minuts (all wallpaper are in one directory)
[06:01] <elekis> ???
[06:01] <elekis> ?
[06:01] <kimo_> how can I get more info! I mean, permission denied , what's that?? I am even running as root
[06:02] <pfp> carthik: hmm, just use '.../bin/foo > /dev/null'? errors go to stderr stream, and you'd have to redirect that separately
[06:02] <Amaranth> smeg 0.7.1 released! plays nice with KDE on ubuntu :)
[06:02] <kimo_> elekis, kwebshots
[06:02] <elekis> thanks
[06:02] <pfp> carthik: with like '.../bin/foo > /dev/null 2> /dev/null'
[06:02] <tsw> Amaranth: heh I was just about to ask what was the name of menu editor :)
[06:02] <tsw> Amaranth: and does it work with xfce?
[06:03] <Amaranth> yes :D
[06:03] <j-d> hello
[06:03] <elekis> heu do you have a link ??
[06:03] <kimo_> pestilence, any ideas !
[06:03] <Amaranth> tsw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38183
[06:03] <kimo_> elekis, I'm prolly not remembering the name :) one sec
[06:03] <serj> elekis ln -s
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> returned
[06:04] <tsw> Amaranth: thanks Ill check
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> ehh question..
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> what is in your opinion the best wm for rebuilding mac os?
[06:04] <Einhoernchen> >)
[06:04] <albacker> guys, is "the linux" a movie ???
[06:04] <albacker> or a documentar?
[06:04] <Amaranth> documentary, move likely
[06:05] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: GNOME kinda looks like OS 9
[06:05] <jaku> hi.. i can not kill processes.. i can see with ps ax that a proces is open 4 or 5 times.. like rhythmbox.. but i can not kill it!
[06:05] <carthik> pfp, right, thanks
[06:05] <Johnnyfav> A program I'm trying to install requires tcl for compilation.....which tcl is it looking for as tcl 8.4 is installed on my comp ?
[06:05] <albacker> ahh...
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, ehh i mean osx ;)
[06:05] <carthik> pfp I should omit the 2 > part to still get error mails, I gues
[06:05] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: If you're looking for an OS X look alike you aren't going to get as close as you can on Windows.
[06:05] <kimo_> jaku, kill -9 PID
[06:05] <jaku> kimo_: doesn't work
[06:05] <jaku> kimo_: no killall etc...
[06:05] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, ok
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> Amaranth, but which wm might be the best?
[06:06] <pestilence> kimo_: do you hvae the media mounted with the noexec flag?
[06:06] <andreas_> Good evening.
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> gnome or enlightenment?
[06:06] <kimo_> jaku, killall -9 , notice the -9 part ?
[06:06] <Amaranth> Einhoernchen: Well, GNOME actually works...
[06:06] <pestilence> kimo_: it is implied if you mount as a user
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> ;)
[06:06] <Addison> Hi there, I'm having an issue getting the CD to boot.  Is there a special way to burn it using windows?  I tried extracting it with winrar and then burning the data to the CD but that doesn't see mto work.
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> ok
[06:06] <kimo_> pestilence, hmm, that might be it! lemme look
[06:06] <Daylighthater> For those who are interested
[06:06] <jaku> kimo_: yap.. i tryed also wit sudo or su..
[06:06] <Daylighthater> I've solved my screenproblem
[06:06] <Einhoernchen> haha xpde is really funny >)
[06:06] <andreas_> Addison: It`s an ISO file and should be burned as such
[06:06] <Choubaka> arhhg.
[06:07] <serj> Addison: its easier with an iso
[06:07] <pfp> carthik: yep, 2 is the file descriptor for stderr, 1 is for stdout and 0 for stdin (_i think_)
[06:07] <Daylighthater> I had a lifted screen which means my screen was lifted about 30 px on my laptop
[06:07] <_luke> how do you change the permissions of a folder in commandline?
[06:07] <jaku> kimo_: and i can not see the program opened in the desktop
[06:07] <Daylighthater> now the only thing I had to do was change the driver to vesa in stead of ati
[06:07] <pfp> _luke: man chmod
[06:07] <Addison> Windows XP doesn't seem to warn to burn it in any other way than just putting the iso on the cd like a regular file.
[06:07] <Daylighthater> and it was solved!
[06:08] <pestilence> kimo_: here's another idea
[06:08] <pestilence> kimo_: http://lists.ssc.com/pipermail/linux-list/2004-January/019634.html
[06:08] <serj> Addison use nero or somethin =p
[06:08] <kimo_> pestilence, these are the options "rw,users" !
[06:08] <kimo_> pestilence, lemme see the other option
[06:09] <pestilence> kimo_: i believe if you mount it as a normal user, the 'noexec' flag is implied
[06:09] <chrissturm> is there a pdf viewer for linux that can copy text from the pdf?
[06:09] <ian> what do you call that.. icons found in the right upper of your desktop. ...in windows its called tray icon..in ubuntu what is the name?
[06:09] <kimo_> pestilence, they are mount through fstab, I guess that's not user, right ?
[06:10] <pestilence> kimo_: the "user" flag implies "noexec"...see `man mount`
[06:10] <Daylighthater> pestilence what's the problem
[06:10] <kimo_> ok, I hope that's it. Thanks a million man
[06:10] <pestilence> kimo_: put a "exec" in there
[06:10] <Daylighthater> I've been buzzy with fstab the last few days
[06:10] <kimo_> will do so, thnx
[06:10] <Daylighthater> :d
[06:10] <pestilence> Daylighthater: kimo_ can't run scripts
[06:10] <Daylighthater> as user?
[06:10] <kimo_> Daylighthater, as root or user, any interpreter
[06:11] <serj> anyone recommend a filesharing app? i cant get anything to wokr properly..
[06:11] <Daylighthater> and why do you think it is??
[06:11] <kimo_> serj, amule, bittorrent, apollon
[06:11] <pfp> chrissturm: adobe reader can, altough all pdf's dont allow to be copied
[06:11] <kimo_> Daylighthater, why or what ?
[06:12] <pfp> chrissturm: you'd probably have to do OCR or something in that case
[06:12] <TheRabbit> I was trying to install Qtella, and I came to an error about C++ compilers not being able to create executable files...
[06:12] <no0tic> someone of you uses iPod shuffle with ubuntu?
[06:12] <kimo_> chrissturm, acroread 7 is good, if the pdf is not protected, u can copy it
[06:12] <Daylighthater> kimo_: that you can't run scripts... because of restrictions or because of something else??
[06:12] <serj> thx Kimo_ gonna check out apollon..
[06:13] <Daylighthater> kimo_: what's the errormsg?
[06:13] <kimo_> Daylighthater, I have no idea, pestilence told me I mount with users, which imply noexec, that might be it
[06:13] <kimo_> Daylighthater, err: "permission denied. /bin/sh bad interpreter" or perl or csh ...
[06:14] <Addison> Anyone know a freeware program that will burn the iso correctly?
[06:14] <serj> apollon has massive kde dependence =\
[06:14] <kimo_> Addison, k3b ROX
[06:14] <Daylighthater> kimo_:try putting in your fstab in the column where user is default instead of all the rest
[06:14] <kimo_> serj, emule amule
[06:14] <Daylighthater> just plain default
[06:14] <kimo_> :)
[06:14] <kimo_> ok
[06:14] <Daylighthater> and otherwhise just add , umask=0755
[06:15] <kimo_> does default allow users to write ?
[06:15] <Einhoernchen> ok lata guys
[06:16] <Daylighthater> I don't know
[06:16] <`TUX``> hi
[06:16] <Daylighthater> but for that U add umask=0777
[06:16] <`TUX``> xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp symbolic link points to wrong location /usr/bin/xkbcomp
[06:16] <dooglus> anyone know how to get 'middle click' on a tab in firefox deerpark to close the tab?
[06:16] <`TUX``> any trick for this error?
[06:16] <Daylighthater> then everyone can do everything
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Addison: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BurningIsoHowto
[06:17] <thoreauputic> Addison: instructions for windows on that page
[06:17] <bob2> thoreauputic: ?
[06:17] <bob2> Amaranth: ?
[06:17] <thoreauputic> bob2: ?
[06:17] <int21h> anyone recently tried using RealPlayer 10 ?
[06:17] <serj> umask=0000 works for all
[06:17] <Amaranth> bob2: oh, i just wanted to let you know i cleared about half the ban list
[06:17] <kimo_> int21h, yep
[06:17] <Amaranth> bob2: it was full and i needed some bans
[06:17] <int21h> it appears to install correctly but nothing happens when trying to run it
[06:17] <thoreauputic> ah, the bans :)
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, nothing appears to happen when running it
[06:18] <Addison> Thanks.
[06:18] <kimo_> int21h, run it from a terminal and watch for errors
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, ps -ef | grep real ..... shows realplay
[06:18] <jaku> how can I kill a D process?
[06:18] <chrissturm> how can i find out to what package a file belongs?
[06:18] <goldfish> jaku: D process?
[06:18] <int21h> kimo_, i did that and no errors... no gui ?
[06:19] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: if it's installed, do dpkg -S <file>
[06:19] <serj> int2lh the terminal doesnt say a thing?
[06:19] <jaku> goldfish: Uninterruptible sleep
[06:19] <blueskiesokie> hello
[06:19] <goldfish> kk
[06:19] <int21h> serj, nada
[06:19] <kimo_> int21h, duh dunno ! but who needs realplayer when kaffeine and mplayer are there :)
[06:19] <serj> tried running top to see if the process is alive?
[06:19] <timte> Where do I find kolab packages for hoary?
[06:19] <int21h> kimo_, I need it to plugin to Mozilla
[06:19] <blueskiesokie> i just changed my video card from ATI to Nvidia. How do i reconfigure X?
[06:20] <int21h> wanna watch http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cyberwar/view/
[06:20] <neville> how can I find out what the maximum resolution the graphic adapter is capable of ?
[06:20] <kimo_> int21h, well there is mplayer-plugin into mozilla, anyway, u could try downloading the latest real from their page and installing that!
[06:20] <echobucket> totem-xine rocks IMHO
[06:20] <bob2> thoreauputic: you were looking for me a couple of hours ago
[06:21] <thoreauputic> bob2: yeah, it was about a need for ops -  Amaranth took care of it, thanks :)
[06:21] <int21h> kimo_, ok I'll try that maybe...but I have had this work in Warty
[06:21] <jaku> goldfish: I have the same program opened 5 times.. (rhytmbox) and it's Uninterruptible sleep.. i don't know why..
[06:21] <goldfish> jaku: em, i dont know much, i assume u have tried 'kill -9 pid' ?
[06:21] <blueskiesokie> anyone ?
[06:22] <jaku> goldfish: yap.. :(
[06:22] <goldfish> blueskiesokie: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[06:22] <goldfish> jaku: hmmm
[06:22] <blueskiesokie> tnx
[06:22] <c0o_imoets> #jokam
[06:22] <neville> the chipset is intel 82815 , so I use i810 is it possible that the resolution can't be higher 1024 ? The crt can do up to 1280 ?
[06:23] <kimo_> can I get a list of packages apt "recommends" installing :)
[06:23] <bob2> thoreauputic: ah
[06:23] <Amaranth> kimo_: apt-cache depends package
[06:24] <kimo_> Amaranth, can I do that for all pkgs
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: I asked around, the answer i got was reboot :)
[06:24] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: woops.
[06:24] <goldfish> serj: not you.
[06:24] <int21h> kimo_,  howcome mplayer no longer in 'universe' ?
[06:24] <goldfish> jaku: reboot was the answer i got :)
[06:25] <selinium> how do I create a link from my windows music folder to my linux music folder so I don't have to duplicate 9Gb of data? I was going to use cp -al but there a re loads of spaces in the windows file structure
[06:25] <thoreauputic> int21h: it never was AFAIK - multiverse I think
[06:25] <kimo_> int21h, this is my second day with ubuntu, so I dont know much!
[06:25] <int21h> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:26] <thoreauputic> bob2: sorry, I guess I should have done a /whois before pinging you
[06:26] <jaku> goldfish: is a windows answer.. :(
[06:26] <bob2> thoreauputic: 'tis fine
[06:26] <goldfish> jaku: hehe, 'kill -9' should work.
[06:26] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[06:27] <goldfish> jaku: ps -a, and kill the pid. was the other answer i got.
[06:28] <thoreauputic> selinium: can't you just access the folder from ubuntu and play your music?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> selinium: I mean, you should be able to read from it...
[06:30] <shinu> anyone might know how i can turn my border from my xterm off?
[06:30] <shinu> or is it an option specific to windowmaker?
[06:31] <goldfish> I know how to do it in aterm :)
[06:31] <bob2> if you're using WindowMaker, #wmaker
[06:31] <bob2> if you're using metacity, use devilspie.
[06:31] <shinu> im on xfce xD
[06:31] <shinu> but i saw screenshots from wmaker so i thought...
[06:31] <serj> shinu: use aterm
[06:31] <shinu> goldfish: please tell me :D
[06:32] <goldfish> shinu: in aterm?
[06:32] <goldfish> not xterm.
[06:32] <shinu> yup
[06:32] <goldfish> kk
[06:32] <shinu> ill try that
[06:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: I theory yes, but I want to be able to look in one folder and see all my music! not two. How do I get around the /My Documents/ problem?
[06:32] <bob2> er
[06:32] <bob2> it's not app-specific
[06:32] <bob2> it just happens aterm has an option to twiddle the windowmanager setting
[06:32] <goldfish> oh right
[06:33] <NigelS> selinium: what my documents problem? :)
[06:34] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - I don't know, really: I hardly ever touch my windows partition and haven't for months - in fact I don't know why I still have it at all ...
[06:34] <neville> selinium, you can ln -s
[06:34] <int21h> crud and bloody hell.....mplayer dies with illegal instruction....anyone seen this before
[06:34] <selinium> thoreauputic: The windows file system is NTFS so I cant write to it. The fact there a space in between 'My' and 'Docs'
[06:34] <geetergod> how do i force to quit something? my xmms keeps freezing on the desktop... how do i get rid of it?
[06:34] <NigelS> selinium: /My\ Documents/
[06:34] <bob2> int21h: you install mplayer-686 on a pentium or such?
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: or did you compile it yourself?
[06:35] <int21h> bob2, nah...used multiverse
[06:35] <selinium> NigelS CHeers! I knew there was a simple solution!
[06:35] <int21h> bob2, I'll get the tarball
[06:35] <goldfish> geetergod: open a terminal, type ps aux |grep xmms
[06:35] <geetergod> k
[06:35] <int21h> geetergod, type pkill xmms
[06:35] <goldfish> geetergod: then 'kill -9 <the pid of the xmms>'
[06:35] <goldfish> owell
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: that won't help...
[06:35] <NigelS> selinium: np, putting something in quotes will also force a literal interpretation
[06:35] <goldfish> that's a better solution, yes.
[06:35] <bob2> int21h: which version did you install?
[06:35] <int21h> int21h,  ? expand plse
[06:36] <int21h> bob2, MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[06:36] <bob2> if you're talking to me, say my name and spel out "please"
[06:36] <shinu> goldfish: so how do i do it? :D
[06:36] <bob2> int21h: what version of the package did you install?
[06:37] <goldfish> shinu: oh sorry
[06:37] <geetergod> 'the pid of the xmms'?
[06:37] <int21h> bob2, the version available from the multiverse which is MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:37] <bretzel> Hello, is anybody knows a gnu ncurses IRC channel somewhere ?
[06:37] <blueskiesokie> i did the dpkg-reconfigure on xserver now it works .. but it is only showing 640x480 is screen resolution ?
[06:37] <goldfish> shinu: just call it with the option '-bw 0'
[06:37] <int21h> geetergod, type ps -ef | grep xmms
[06:37] <bob2> int21h: mplayer-386? mplayer-586?
[06:37] <geetergod> ok
[06:37] <geetergod> i dont understand why it keeps freezing
[06:37] <bob2> bretzel: I'd be surprised if there was a useful one.  what do you want to know?
[06:37] <dooglus> is there a 'beginners guid to dpkg and apt' somewhere I can read?  I still don't get it.
[06:37] <blueskiesokie> do i need to reconfigure another package also ?
[06:38] <selinium> NigelS: when using ln, which comes first the origin or the detination, and will it recurse?
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: sudo apt-get install apt-howto
[06:38] <bretzel> bob2: Keybinds: SHIFT+ENTER does not report different value than normal ENTER ... :-(
[06:38] <thoreauputic> dooglus: but it's fairly detailed
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I like that.  using "apt" to learn about apt...  :)
[06:38] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:38] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I like details.  It's vagueness I don't like.  :)
[06:39] <bob2> dooglus: there's not much to know.  if you use ubuntu repositories, then "sudo apt-get install blah" will install blah.  you use "apt-cache search blah" to search for packages with blah in their descriptions"
[06:39] <int21h> bob2, it seems to be mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[06:39] <selinium> thoreauputic: I know what you mean about the windows partition. I have 120Gb sitting doing nothing...
[06:39] <dooglus> bob2: the thing I can't get my head around at the moment is what 'dpkg -l <pattern>' does
[06:39] <bob2> int21h: and what cpu do you have?
[06:39] <int21h> bob2, PII-400
[06:39] <NigelS> selinium: if you want to link a dir to another location then ln -s /existing-dir /new link name.  It links that directory literally so, following the link you will find all the things in that directory
[06:40] <bob2> dooglus: "dpkg -l" lists all packages dpkg knows about, which is (mostly) just installed or previously install packages
[06:40] <thoreauputic> selinium: :) I have to take a few deep breaths soon and blow it away ;)
[06:40] <bob2> int21h: install mplayer-686
[06:40] <bob2> dooglus: the pattern is just used to filter out the results of that
[06:40] <int21h> bob2, its not available in the 'multiverse' any ideas ?
[06:41] <dooglus> bob2: the first time I booted into ubuntu after installing from the install CD, it spent about half an hour doing apt'ish type stuff.  was that dpkg learning about some packages without installing them?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> selinium: fortunately (or maybe unfortunately from an extra spcae viewpoint) , mine is only 10GB
[06:41] <NigelS> dooglus: e.g. dpkg -l *image* will show all the mentions in your local cache of packages with an image in their name, so the kernel images and the likes of imagemagick
[06:41] <bob2> int21h: it is there
[06:42] <IcemanV9> hm. is there a difference between mplayer-386 & mplayer-686? mine seems to be working just fine. should i install 686? or leave it alone as long as it is working?
[06:42] <dooglus> bob2: I don' think the pattern is just used to filter - because I get extra results if I specify a filter, like:
[06:42] <int21h> bob2, I just did a search ...... apt-cache search mplayer-686
[06:42] <dooglus> chris@chrislap:~$ dpkg -l | grep kde
[06:42] <dooglus> chris@chrislap:~$ dpkg -l 'kde' | grep kde
[06:42] <dooglus> un  kde            <none>         (no description available)
[06:42] <selinium> thoreauputic: LOL I just need another large drive to take off all the stuff i need and 'Kablooey'!
[06:42] <thoreauputic> IcemanV9: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, as the saying goes...
[06:42] <dooglus> adding the 'filter' actually resulted in more output...
[06:43] <bob2> dooglus: well, it's kinda complicated.  dpkg is older than apt, and back in the day it used to know about packages you haven't yet installed, too.  nowadays, only apt needs to care, but dpkg will still remember everything that is installed and later removed...all that apt stuff at install is apt setting up it's database, ut dpkg is picking some of it up, too.
[06:43] <dooglus> bob2: it's the complexity that I'm struggling to understand.  the man page doesn't seem to go into it.
[06:43] <bob2> IcemanV9: it's supposed to be slightly faster, but I don't know if it is usefully quicker.  you can try it and see...
[06:44] <bob2> dooglus: ok, you're right, I have no idea why they give different results
[06:44] <dooglus> bob2: the thing is, I don't have "kde" installed, and I've never uninstalled it either, so I can only assume that it has never been installed.  yet 'dpkg -l kde' knows about it somehow.
[06:44] <bob2> I've never seen that before
[06:44] <IcemanV9> yeah. i do have 686-kernel. maybe i ought to try ...
[06:44] <int21h> bob2, any ideas why multiverse no showing mplayer-686
[06:44] <bob2> int21h: I don't know, it's there for me
[06:44] <int21h> darn it
[06:44] <IcemanV9> didn't know there is mplayer-686 out there until it was mentioned in this channel
[06:45] <bob2> int21h: can you paste the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" and "apt-cache policy mplayer-686" to #flood?
[06:45] <IcemanV9> alright - here goes nothing
[06:45] <JasonF> Hey :) is there an equivalent to SID in ubuntu
[06:45] <NigelS> dooglus: hmm, those commands are quite different - think about it - you said dpkg -l 'kde' so only a package called kde will be returned, now if you type dpkg -l *kde* you will see all mentions of kde, plus just doing dpkg -l only lists installed packages
[06:45] <bob2> JasonF: breezy, but please don't use it
[06:45] <dooglus> bob2: I think 'dpkg -l' (without a filter) only shows installed packages - try $ dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii'
[06:45] <bob2> NigelS: the grep should include the kde package, but it doesn't
[06:45] <dooglus> NigelS: right.
[06:45] <JasonF> bob2: is that "please don't use it" like SID is "please don't use it" or... is there known breakage issues?
[06:46] <bob2> dooglus: it's not as simpe as that, "dpkg -l | grep \^ii" returns stuff
[06:46] <NigelS> bob2: in which the first command? without wildcards it'll only return the meta-package called kde, i.e. with the quotes
[06:46] <bob2> JasonF: as in X doesn't work at the moment and last week getty somehow got removed from utillinux entirely
[06:46] <thoreauputic> JasonF: breezy is much more dangerous than Sid :)
[06:46] <JasonF> heh, okay :)
[06:46] <bob2> NigelS: the output of "dpkg -l" does not include the "kde" package at all, but "dpkg -l kde" does.
[06:47] <JasonF> I don't mind breakage, but that seems to be a bit much
[06:47] <int21h> bob2, I see the issue
[06:47] <IcemanV9> JasonF: actually, breezy is going through a rough testing right now. lots of broken things.
[06:47] <drspin> anyone know of a good tutorial on webserver file permissions?? what about one on umask?
[06:47] <NigelS> bob2: yes, because the kde meta package isn't installed , in state ii
[06:47] <JasonF> then question two, is it possible to add SID to sources.list -- or is there known incompats with debian vs ubuntu packages
[06:47] <int21h> bob2, it was using deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:47] <bob2> int21h: ah
[06:48] <int21h> my mistake
[06:48] <bob2> JasonF: please don't
[06:48] <int21h> bob2, thanks
[06:48] <bob2> JasonF: or, if you do, do not ask for help from anyone, ever, since it will break
[06:48] <JasonF> bob2: "it will break" would have been sufficient ;)
[06:48] <dooglus> bob2: it's not quite so simple, no.  I think if you grep out the 'ii' lines, you're left with just the packages which have only config files?  the ones you've 'removed' but not 'completely removed', as synaptic would put it
[06:48] <bob2> NigelS: I don't get what you mean
[06:49] <JasonF> I'm just itching for my gentoo ~x86 level of package-newness, but I'll be able to survive
[06:49] <bob2> but it is 0300
[06:49] <bob2> dooglus: mostly, but dpkg will know about purged (config files gone, too) ones, too
[06:50] <dooglus> bob2: dpkg will know about them, but it won't list them when you run "dpkg -l" without a pattern.  see the 'dpkg-query' man page.
[06:50] <dooglus> I quote: "If no package-name-pattern
[06:50] <dooglus>               is  given,  list  all  packages in /var/lib/dpkg/status."
[06:50] <IcemanV9> interesting .. they do have mplayer-k7. now i know. :)
[06:50] <bob2> ah-hah
[06:50] <bob2> dooglus: you learn something knew every day, thanks!
[06:51] <dooglus> bob2: I'm glad we (kind of) got to the bottom of that.
[06:51] <bob2> s/we/you/, I didn't even know dpkg-query exist :)
[06:51] <NigelS> yes, dpkg -l only shows ii and rc it seems, so a grep for the kde meta-package in state pn will not find it, so you have to dpkg -l kde to see it and dpkg -l *kde* to see the non ii, rc packages
[06:51] <dooglus> bob2: I've been banned for less on a different distro's channel.
[06:51] <bob2> for less than what?
[06:52] <dooglus> (I was "belittling an op" apparently, by trying to get to the bottom of an issue neither of us understood)
[06:52] <bob2> hahaha
[06:52] <dooglus> bob2: I just challenged your authority - didn't you feel the sting?
[06:52] <JasonF> stupid ops!
[06:52] <bob2> dooglus: oh yeah, I mean, I don't understand it, so you must be wrong
[06:53] <dooglus> bob2: it was worse than that.  it was "I've been a developer on this package for over 2 years, and nobody ever reported the bug you've just reported before, so you must be an idiot"
[06:54] <jeroen_> dooglus, where was that? :O
[06:54] <JasonF> jeroen_: I get the feeling it'll start with a d and end with ebian
[06:54] <dooglus> jeroen_: I'm not at liberty to say.  <cough>mandriva</cough>
[06:54] <JasonF> ah, lol
[06:54] <jeroen_> what a weird new name, mandriva
[06:55] <WhiteRabbit> mandrake had a ring to it as it was a /root
[06:55] <dooglus> they finished up banning pretty much all of the UK from the channel too.  the biggest UK ISP is banned...
[06:56] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - "It's a Family channel" ;)
[06:56] <dooglus> still, it worked out well for me - I got to try ubuntu, which I never would have done had I not been pushed out from #mandriva
[06:56] <slept> I'm expieriencing something wiered , I configuerd xorg for 1280x1024 when gdm starts things go right , when I log in it switches back to 1024, I even removed all the other resolutions - still same thing happens ???
[06:56] <makisupa> can someone help with the hal-device-manager....it starts (the box forms) but then it closes immediately?  Thanks
[06:58] <dooglus> does anyone use 'Rhythmbox', the GNOME mp3 player, with a large music collection?
[06:58] <bob2> yes, it woorks poorly
[06:59] <thoreauputic> dooglus: it tends to choke
[06:59] <makisupa> ok -- just found out device manager starts if my USB CDRW is NOT plugged in...odd
[06:59] <dooglus> bob2: is there any app which has a media library which works well?
[06:59] <bob2> dooglus: I quite like cplay
[06:59] <bob2> but I suspect people used to rhythmbox won't
[06:59] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I've had better luck with amarok (KDE app, of course, though)
[06:59] <dooglus> I used to use amarok (or something like that) on Mandriva, but I'm trying to give up Qt now that I'm on ubuntu.    I've nothing against KDE, but I just think it makes sense not to mix GTK and KDE apps, for the sake of memory conservation
[07:01] <julia> f
[07:01] <julia> ff
[07:01] <julia> hola
[07:01] <Amaranth> not quick enough on the draw
[07:01] <salva_> Hi!
[07:01] <thoreauputic> dooglus: I think amarok is the best I've tried so far - but I often just start up xmms or beep-media-player from a directory or use streamtuner
[07:01] <salva_> Hi world :)
[07:03] <Fator_Dee> gah, entrance exams on chemistry tomorrow :-p
[07:03] <serj> ^^
[07:06] <dooglus> muine has a *load* of dependancies.
[07:06] <bob2> yup
[07:06] <bob2> but thomboy uses them too
[07:06] <bob2> and you want tomboy installed
[07:06] <dooglus> I'll give it a go.  it's a .NET thing?
[07:06] <bob2> so it's ok ;)
[07:06] <thoreauputic> bob2: wow, cplay is tiny - and the interface is simple enough - nice call :)
[07:06] <bob2> thoreauputic: heh
[07:06] <bob2> thoreauputic: and it sits nicely in screen :)
[07:07] <dooglus> tomboy?  /me goes to investigate
[07:07] <thoreauputic> indeed :)
[07:08] <thoreauputic> dooglus: mono
[07:09] <dooglus> thoreauputic: verb?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dooglus: um - I meant "mono not .NET" but I guess you knew that
[07:10] <dooglus> thoreauputic: ok, i see.
[07:10] <Addison> Any idea why Ubuntu wouldn't power the PCMCIA card?  It seems to detect it in the device manager.
[07:10] <dooglus> can I use 'apt-cache' to view a description of 'tomboy'?  what's the command?
[07:10] <bob2> dooglus: apt-cache show tomboy
[07:11] <yesterday> what's the mono and .not something?
[07:11] <dooglus> great, thanks.
[07:11] <yesterday> sounds like ... snake-oil
[07:12] <dooglus> yesterday: muine and tomboy both
[07:12] <thoreauputic> yesterday: heh - mono is the open answer to .NET
[07:12] <thoreauputic> yesterday: in simple terms...
[07:12] <yesterday> (a trap for luxers)
[07:13] <dooglus> mono is the answer but only if you phrase the question very carefully
[07:13] <thoreauputic> heheh
[07:13] <toxicfume> i'm using a windows application to increase the size of my mepis partition, but it says that i need to restart into linux and run /slib/grub..but who do i do next? :S
[07:13] <dooglus> using mono feels even worse than using java to me.  best not to become dependant on either one of the,
[07:13] <dooglus> m
[07:14] <thoreauputic> dooglus: otherwise the answer as always is "42" ;-)
[07:14] <bob2> toxicfume: sounds more like a #mepis question...
[07:14] <bob2> dooglus: well, it is apparently very nice to work in, and it's an independent standard, and the implementation is entirely Free...
[07:14] <toxicfume> bob2: why?
[07:14] <bob2> toxicfume: since you're using mepis?
[07:15] <toxicfume> bob2: no, this is on my deskto
[07:15] <toxicfume> desktop
[07:15] <toxicfume> bob2: you could'vebeen right if i was on my laptop, but i'm not
[07:15] <dooglus> bob2: it's an independant standard?
[07:16] <bob2> dooglus: ECMA blessed it
[07:17] <dooglus> muine seems pretty nice, but as you say, it's album-centric
[07:18] <bob2> yeah, even with all my albums I didn't like it
[07:18] <peter_> hi, wie warum ist der firefox-1.0.4 nicht normalen update drinn? habt ihr nen tipp wie ich ihn am besten installiere?
[07:18] <dooglus> if it doesn't fall over while importing my music folder, I'll stick with it for a bit and see how I get on with it.
[07:18] <yesterday> open now... but close in the future <- stardard
[07:18] <jeroen_> peter_, Deutsch reden Sie in #ubuntu-de
[07:18] <peter_> ups
[07:18] <dooglus> what I quite liked in amarok was the easy navigaton, and the recommendations of 'similar songs'
[07:20] <yesterday> branch? (patents...hehe...)
[07:20] <caine> if a file is a .torrent what kind of file is that supposed to be?
[07:20] <dooglus> hrm.  nautilus crashed while muine was importing my music folder
[07:21] <dooglus> caine: it's a bittorrent file
[07:21] <caine> b/c they have them as a file im d/l but its on gnutella
[07:21] <dooglus> caine: you should be abel to download the torrent using any bittorrent client
[07:22] <caine> search the phantom of the opera in gnutella and it has some .torrent files for it
[07:22] <dooglus> caine: makes sense.  the websites which supply .torrent files keep getting shut down - so it makes sense to use gnutella to supply the .torrent files, which in turn direct you to the torrent
[07:23] <caine> ok
[07:23] <goldfish> caine: get azureus or something
[07:23] <bob2> someone still has to be the tracker, tho
[07:23] <caine> goldfish: why would i want to do that?
[07:23] <dooglus> caine: bittorrent has no 'search' mechanism, so finding the .torrent files is the weak point in the whole process
[07:23] <goldfish> k, no matter.
[07:23] <jeroen_> goldfish, Azureus uses java, right? :/
[07:23] <goldfish> jeroen_: it does.
[07:23] <goldfish> best client ive used though.
[07:24] <dooglus> caine: azureus is a java bittorrent client, yes.  and it only works with Sun's JVM, too.
[07:24] <jeroen_> better use something else then
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm... the java trap in action then :/
[07:24] <caine> oh screw that
[07:25] <Shuddertrix> like bittornado-gui bittornado, like i recommended to you in a pm caine
[07:25] <jeroen_> yeah, screw java :p
[07:25] <dooglus> thoreauputic: yes, but...  it's SO pretty...  and SO functional!
[07:25] <thoreauputic> of course ;)
[07:25] <WhiteRabbit> Az is very nice
[07:25] <xyzx> Hey guys how do I open a port with ubuntu?
[07:25] <bob2> xyzx: ubuntu has no firewall by default
[07:25] <Shuddertrix> Azureus is crap mainly because it uses java and is too bloated, uses more resources then bittornado or the regular bittorrent client
[07:25] <dooglus> the ubuntu bittorrent tracker was down for a few days last week.  normal bittorrent clients were unable to download the ubuntu dvd for a few days, but the magic of azureus meant that the dvd was still available, even with the tracker down!
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> Shuddertrix: FUD
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> WhiteRabbit: Heh.
[07:26] <jeroen_> Is bittornado good if you're only a sometimes-torrent-user?
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> Well, i consider it bloated because it uses more resources
[07:26] <jeroen_> I know use the Gnome torrent thing
[07:26] <WhiteRabbit> http://larytet.sourceforge.net/btRat.shtml  <-- this just hit /. today interesting bittorrent that hides your IP
[07:26] <jeroen_> now
[07:26] <Shuddertrix> jeroen_: yes
[07:26] <bob2> jeroen_: yes
[07:26] <dooglus> jeroen_: I managed for a long time just using the curses interface - that's fine.
[07:27] <Shuddertrix> bittornado-gui
[07:27] <xyzx> bob2,no need to open port 25 for postfix to receive mail?
[07:27] <bob2> xyzx: indeed
[07:27] <dooglus> xyzx: what do you mean 'open'?
[07:27] <pfp> btqueue.sourceforge.net is nice if you want to go light
[07:27] <bob2> xyzx: your isp may well be filtering it themselves, though
[07:27] <Shuddertrix> somehow, python+wxwindows is less bloaty for me then java
[07:28] <dooglus> http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ is quite fun - it's a puzzle site where you get to learn/use python to solve the puzzles.
[07:28] <xyzx> bob2,  when I ask canyouseeme.org for port 25 unswer is negative
[07:29] <WhiteRabbit> bob2: do you use ubuntu or debian more?
[07:29] <Shuddertrix> this cd-rw is taking much longer to erase then last time..
[07:29] <bob2> xyzx: then perhaps your isp is filtering it
[07:29] <bob2> WhiteRabbit: ubuntu, these days
[07:29] <jeroen_> bob2, xyzx, ubuntu comes with iptables, which is a firewall IIRC
[07:29] <Shuddertrix> speak of the devil, the thing popped out when i returned that line
[07:29] <bob2> jeroen_: yes, but it doesn't nothing by default
[07:29] <dooglus> the default iptables setup is to allow everything...
[07:30] <jeroen_> I installed bittornado-gui. Now I need something to download
[07:30] <bob2> "doesn't do anything", I mean.
[07:30] <xyzx> bob2, but I can send out email! if ISP is blocking outgoing mail should be blocked too!
[07:31] <dooglus> jeroen_: there are some torrents here: http://www.welcometothescene.com/download.shtml - it's a series of movies from the Sony corp about the warez scene
[07:31] <bob2> xyzx: no, that's not how it works, sorry
[07:31] <Shuddertrix> wow, how minimal resources k3b is taking when burning a cd
[07:31] <yesterday> w a r e z
[07:31] <dooglus> xyzx: your ISP could be blocking incoming connections to port 25 and not blocking any outgoing connections at all
[07:32] <xyzx> dooglus, OK I see
[07:32] <pfp> my isp includes an smtp relay service, because they block incoming port 25
[07:32] <bob2> all isps include smtp relay services
[07:32] <pfp> i meant inward
[07:32] <bob2> ah
[07:33] <pfp> you put them as 2. MX and so on
[07:36] <jeroen_> eww, btdownloadgui is ugly!
[07:37] <Shuddertrix> jeroen_: Can't be that ugly.
[07:37] <bob2> btdownloadcurses is where it's atr
[07:37] <Shuddertrix> Mine looks dashing, but i'm a KDE user and I am using the gtk-qt engine :D
[07:42] <dooglus> muine imported my playlist without a problem, and seems to be working fine.
[07:43] <dooglus> cplay needs a separate player - which do you suggest? mpg321, splay, mpg123 or madplay?
[07:43] <bob2> madplay
[07:44] <Tyche> I just installed Hula MTA with my Ubuntu installation and I'm wondering what my "object's distinguished name" might be.
[07:44] <bob2> do you know much about LDAP?>
[07:45] <spiderworm> hey all is there a way to get a version of a package installed via apt-cache?
[07:45] <bob2> apt-cache policy blah
[07:45] <thoreauputic> spiderworm: try apt-cache policy <package>
[07:45] <igni-> mmm, i recently installed the new ubuntu, 5.04
[07:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: rats, you're too quick for me ;)
[07:46] <igni-> it didnt ask me for a root pass during install
[07:46] <spiderworm> sweet thank you thoreauputic !
[07:46] <igni-> is this normal ?
[07:46] <spiderworm> and bob2!
[07:46] <bob2> igni-: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:46] <dooglus> oh no!!!  I just installed 'beep-media-player' and the default skin is a debian logo!  surely some mistake?!?
[07:46] <igni-> thx
[07:46] <bob2> igni-: yes, it's normal, and at the end of the install, it explained it to you
[07:46] <igni-> hehe
[07:46] <igni-> my bad
[07:46] <igni-> :)
[07:46] <igni-> lets read up
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: heh - install some xmms skins right away!
[07:47] <destiny> dooglus same here.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: or winamp skins if that's your thing...
[07:47] <dooglus> thoreauputic: xmms skins work with beep-media-player?
[07:47] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yup
[07:48] <jeroen_> dooglus, search the ubuntuforums, there's a nice ubuntu skin somewhere
[07:48] <kain> ehe, if I load some skins every time I log back into my account beep media player stucks with default skin everytime
[07:48] <Plenteh> hey everyone
[07:48] <WhiteDove> hiya everyone
[07:48] <thoreauputic> kain: that's odd
[07:48] <destiny> hi.
[07:48] <WhiteDove> hows it going?
[07:48] <Plenteh> I have a bit of a problem installing ubuntu, I get to installing base package, and when it asks me to select a kernel, i pick one and it gives me an error each time
[07:48] <kain> it always happen to me, but not a prob
[07:49] <igni-> thx bob2
[07:49] <igni-> helped alot
[07:49] <igni-> :p
[07:49] <WhiteDove> I wonder if someone could help me please?
[07:49] <Plenteh> anyone know what could be causing that?
[07:50] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> man never change a good thing when it works
[07:50] <destiny> cafuego, are you here?
[07:50] <Tyche> Is Webmin not very popular with Ubuntu crowd? It is something I would like to use for a couple things, but it doesn't seem to play nicely.
[07:51] <WhiteDove> Plenteh: did you check against md5 checksum, to see if the iso was good?
[07:51] <Plenteh> no i did not
[07:51] <Plenteh> but i suppse it would help if i knew what that meant
[07:51] <WhiteDove> oh
[07:51] <Ubuntian> in France operating systems are spread like this: windows 96%, Mac 3% and linux 0.7% :-/
[07:52] <dooglus> jeroen_: do you mean http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/ ?
[07:52] <WhiteDove> an md5 checksum verifies that the iso is all there and not corrupt
[07:52] <Plenteh> how would i go about doing this checksum?>
[07:52] <WhiteDove> the same place you got the iso from
[07:52] <WhiteDove> you can get the md5 file there
[07:53] <dooglus> WhiteDove: if the .iso has been compromised on the server - changed in some way - wouldn't the md5 sum file have been changed to match it?
[07:53] <WhiteDove> now as for the program that checks the iso against the checksum, hmmmm. Any help guys?
[07:53] <bob2> md5sum.
[07:53] <dooglus> WhiteDove: just run "md5sum file.iso"
[07:53] <yesterday> and google md5 value
[07:53] <WhiteDove> I thought it was to make sure that the file wasn't corrput
[07:53] <Plenteh> got the iso from here
[07:53] <Plenteh> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/
[07:54] <WhiteDove> downloads sometimes do corrupt
[07:54] <bob2> badly burnt disks are more often the problem
[07:54] <WhiteDove> oh, okay
[07:54] <WhiteDove> sorry. Im a newb to this. Lol
[07:54] <Plenteh> i downlaoded he dvd iso with Live on it
[07:55] <bob2> Plenteh: yes, you need to check that it was downloaded correctly, then that it was burnt correctly
[07:56] <bkinman> So, i want to see animation upon minimizing, i want transparency and drop shadows in xorg, where do i go?
[07:56] <dooglus> I like how the beep-media-player 'sticks' to the edge on my desktop.  Can I get all my windows to do the same?
[07:56] <oDysseas> how do you make X not run automaticaly at boot?
[07:56] <WhiteDove> bkinman: you need to install xcompmgr and transset
[07:57] <dooglus> oDysseas: I did it, but it was a little tricky
[07:57] <bob2> oDysseas: why do you want to do that?
[07:58] <bob2> e.g. are you reading a broken nvidia howto?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: shift-drag
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dooglus: should snap to the edge in gnome
[07:58] <oDysseas> bob2: because I get a blank screen when X is starting and I want to try and fix it
[07:58] <oDysseas> this is a fresh install
[07:58] <Plenteh> i just ran FastSum on my dvd iso
[07:58] <dooglus> oDysseas: well, no, it wasn't that bad.  I did 2 things: 1) set the default runlevel to 2 in /etc/inittab and 2) stopped gdm from running in runlevel 2 using a program called sysv-rc-conf
[07:58] <Plenteh> and it didnt say anything
[07:59] <oDysseas> is there a way to kill X from the command line?
[07:59] <oDysseas> ctrl alt backspace doesn't work
[07:59] <dooglus> oDysseas: "sudo telinit 1" will take you to single user mode
[08:00] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:00] <dooglus> oDysseas: that's better, what thoreauputic said
[08:00] <WhiteDove> 0Dysseas: init 1
[08:00] <oDysseas> ok thanx a lot
[08:00] <WhiteDove> oh wel, lol
[08:00] <thoreauputic> telinit 1 will disconnect networking I think
[08:01] <WhiteDove> could someone please tell me how I setup my wireless card for my laptop please?
[08:01] <goldfish> WhiteDove: chipset?
[08:01] <drspin> what is the default password for webmin on Ubuntu??
[08:02] <WhiteDove> goldfish: all I know is that it is a Belkin
[08:02] <nemesis> hi
[08:02] <WhiteDove> brb
[08:02] <nemesis> need some help with synaptic
[08:02] <nemesis> anyone?
[08:02] <goldfish> WhiteDove: type 'lspci' in a terminal
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> soot
[08:02] <goldfish> nemesis: what's up?
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> shot
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> shoot*
[08:02] <goldfish> :)
[08:02] <ted_> I have a general linux question, why does my hard disc run more under linux
[08:02] <yesterday> shoot a shot
[08:02] <nemesis> i would like to know where can i get a updated list of repositories
[08:02] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> lol yesterday
[08:03] <thoreauputic> drspin: run it from the root shell (sudo doesn't play nice with webmin)
[08:03] <daba> ted_: it is a jogging, more so than running, linux computers are more disciplined
[08:03] <drspin> thoreauputic: ????
[08:03] <goldfish> drspin: sudo bash
[08:03] <goldfish> then run it from there
[08:03] <toran> hey guys, does anyone have experience getting kmuddy [ http://kmuddy.net ]  running on ubuntu?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> or sudo -s
[08:03] <ted_> daba lol
[08:03] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> thoreauputic, smack me real hard if I ever decide to change from ubuntu ok ?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: OK :)
[08:04] <nemesis> drspin you can also modify /etc/shadow and make "su" available
[08:04] <struggler> anyone for a procmail / spamassassin question (local .procmailrc not executed) ?
[08:04] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> I tried out FC3 and found it tooooooo bloated
[08:04] <bob2> struggler: just ask...
[08:05] <bkinman> Hrmm, i just installed xcompmgr and i dont have the transset command
[08:05] <goldfish> bkinman: did u install transset?
[08:05] <nemesis> so...anyone knows where to get a list of repositories?
 everything works fine except ~/.procmailrc isn't executed
[08:05] <drspin> nemesis: thoreauputic: goldfish: sudo -s | /etc/init.d/webmin restart |
[08:05] <drspin> ???
[08:05] <bob2> struggler: that's a MTA config issue, not a SA one
[08:05] <nemesis> is that for me goldfish?
[08:06] <nemesis> i mean... drspin?
[08:06] <bob2> struggler: what MTA are you using?
[08:06] <struggler> bob2: ok.. can you help me
[08:06] <drspin> nemesis: it means that you lost me and I'm guessing...
[08:06] <nemesis> hmmm
[08:06] <nemesis> ok
[08:06] <bkinman> goldfish nope
[08:06] <WhiteDove> goldfish: RaLink RaLink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01
[08:06] <nemesis> sorry
[08:06] <goldfish> bkinman: :)
[08:07] <goldfish> nemesis: em ubuntuguide.org has a sample sources.list but i think someone said it's dodgy ....
[08:07] <drspin> so if I set a password for root then dpkg-reconfigure webmin it should work
[08:07] <goldfish> Is there a repos list on ubuntulinux.org ?
[08:07] <WhiteDove> yeah, the backports on ubuntuguide aren't good
[08:07] <transgress> i think ubuntuguide's sources has backports
[08:07] <ted_> goldfish I have had no problems using the sources.list from ubuntuguide
[08:07] <transgress> heh
[08:07] <struggler> bob2: postfix
[08:07] <goldfish> neither did I
[08:07] <transgress> i don't find it to be of the best solution to leave backports on there all the time... although is firefox in backports?
[08:08] <bob2> struggler: then ~/.procmailrc will be run by default
[08:08] <bob2> struggler: watch your postfix logs to see what is happening
[08:08] <Jormundgand> I was trying to evangelise a heathen friend to Ubuntu and they replied that their job involved teaching Windows at a college. Is there some counter to this? What should I do?
[08:08] <transgress> perhaps if the backports ff doesn't require gnome support i will use it
[08:08] <transgress> Jormundgand: give up.
[08:08] <WhiteDove> See you later guys
[08:08] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: tell the college to grow a brain
[08:09] <daba> Jormundgand: stop converting people, just tell them, ok, you live in ignorance, then, see ya later.\
[08:09] <transgress> you haven't seen me before though
[08:09] <nemesis> what do you do when trying to installing something synaptic says "package is not instantable?"
 It's a matter of curriculum.
[08:09] <nemesis> not sure about what's marillat
[08:09] <nemesis> the repository?
[08:09] <transgress> yes
[08:10] <struggler> bob2:according to the log, the global procmailrc is executing (invoking spamc) and the mail is delivered from there.  The local .procmailrc is never called.
[08:10] <transgress> ftp.nerim.net i think is what it is listened as...
[08:10] <transgress> err listed
[08:10] <bob2> struggler: global?
[08:10] <bob2> struggler: you specifically configured postfix to use a global one?
[08:10] <struggler> bob2: /etc/procmailrc
[08:10] <drspin> s no one has answered my question yet -- how can I log into webmin??
[08:10] <struggler> bob2: nope, never touched postfix
[08:10] <nemesis> transgress: grep says there isn't anything in sources.list about marillat or nerim
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Jormundgand: sad - so the people to lobby are the curriculum writers: how anyone can really learn about coding etc with a closed OS is beyond me...
[08:11] <struggler> bob2: just followed spamassassin directions
[08:11] <transgress> nemesis: what package isn't installable then?
[08:11] <zace> hoi
[08:11] <nemesis> transgress: amsn i think, i'm not sure
[08:12] <DarKnesS_WolF> who can i change the screen colors form 16bit to and from 32bit?
[08:12] <DarKnesS_WolF> sorry how *
[08:12] <transgress> nemesis: well if you can't give us details about the problem we can't really help.
[08:12] <nemesis> transgress: but the ones which are not installable are de dependences
[08:12] <transgress> well tell us the deps and what the error is...
[08:13] <nemesis> transgress: ok
[08:13] <nemesis> transgress: i'll tell you when i were sure, thanks
[08:13] <dooglus> drspin: what is your problem with webmin?  I just installed it and it worked immediately
[08:13] <oDysseas> after a fresh install is sshd running?
[08:14] <nemesis> transgress: any repository to add? i just got the ones which came with the original distribution
[08:14] <sig> oDysseas: no
[08:14] <sig> you have to install it
[08:14] <daba>  sudo aptitude install openssh-server is what you need to do, oDysseas.
[08:14] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: no -  sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[08:14] <daba> :-p
[08:14] <dooglus> drspin: run "sudo netstat -ap | grep 10000" - do you see a perl process listening on 10000?  if so, webmin is up
[08:14] <thoreauputic> or what daba said :)
[08:14] <oDysseas> and then will it start, or do I have to start it manualy?
[08:14] <dejava5> #yogyakarta
[08:14] <nern> hello again ubuntu folk
[08:15] <thoreauputic> oDysseas: it will start
[08:15] <oDysseas> ok thanx again
[08:15] <destiny> ok
[08:18] <Jeezis> should i add the breezy repositories to my ubuntu update manager? and if so what are the addresses?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Jeezis: /topic
[08:19] <Jeezis> thoreauputic: ah, my bad :-p
[08:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey thoreauputic is it easy to add musepack as an encoder to rip to ?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Pop_pa_FrEaK: I haven't a clue
[08:19] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> ok will look around
[08:20] <daba> better than looking asquare I always say...
[08:20] <struggler> bob2: thanks for your time, I'll start looking at the postfix config, maybe there is something in there
[08:21] <daba> dict pun I guess for me...
[08:25] <daba> thoreauputic: ok, I kinda get your point...
[08:27] <toran> hey guys, does anyone have experience getting kmuddy [ http://kmuddy.net ]  running on ubuntu?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> toran: #kubuntu maybe
[08:29] <toran> bah, there aren't as many people in there, a lot less likely to get my question answered -_-
[08:31] <] BreliC[> anyone here running AMD64 with 32-bit Ubuntu?
[08:31] <rubiojr> hey
[08:31] <rubiojr> good afternoon
[08:31] <goldfish> hmmm
[08:31] <goldfish> hi rubiojr
[08:31] <rubiojr> at least here
[08:31] <rubiojr> in ES
[08:31] <goldfish> ] BreliC[: Why would u do that? :)
[08:31] <rubiojr> :)
[08:31] <] BreliC[> i'm trying to figure out which mplayer to install... i have a K8 mobo, but in the repo, they only have K6 and K7... will those do?
[08:32] <] BreliC[> goldfish, because 64 ain't ready
[08:32] <goldfish> ] BreliC[: ah right, sorry, i was just curious :)
[08:32] <] BreliC[> goldfish, uh, 64bit... not enough packages
[08:32] <goldfish> ah
[08:32] <rubiojr> I've finally managed to get X working in a freesh breezy
[08:32] <yahalom> what do i need to edit in my xorg.conf in order to have ati work? change ati to fglrx and what else?
[08:32] <rubiojr> some glitches with the fonts
[08:32] <rubiojr> anyone had issues with this?
[08:32] <GNAM> ] BreliC[: I
[08:32] <daba> rubiojr: yes, known fact.
[08:32] <goldfish> yahalom: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:33] <GNAM> in two different pc
[08:33] <] BreliC[> GNAM, have you installed mplayer?  If so, which one?
[08:33] <yahalom> goldfish, y?
[08:33] <rubiojr> I've found some workarounds in the forums and bugzilla
[08:33] <yahalom> goldfish, i want 3D acceleration
[08:33] <goldfish> k
[08:33] <GNAM> mplayer? NO
[08:33] <goldfish> nm, misread the question.
[08:33] <daba> rubiojr: well, good for you...not much help about it here, tho.
[08:33] <rubiojr> ah
[08:34] <daba> rubiojr: cause its not supported yet by the devs, and whatnots, and this channel is mostly newbies, anyhow still.
[08:34] <rubiojr> I see
[08:34] <rubiojr> do you think it's a good idea
[08:34] <rubiojr> to go -devel
[08:34] <rubiojr> and comment there?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> rubiojr: no
[08:35] <rubiojr> pretty new
[08:35] <rubiojr> to debian/ubu bug reporting
[08:35] <thoreauputic> rubiojr: I wouldn't
[08:35] <rubiojr> suppose
[08:35] <rubiojr> I see
[08:35] <rubiojr> I'll let them work
[08:35] <rubiojr> then
[08:35] <rubiojr> :)
[08:35] <daba> rubiojr: no, they dont need you to file bugs about that, they know this, I think, but you can ask a nice polite question there...
[08:35] <rubiojr> Ok no problem
[08:36] <rubiojr> since I got it working
[08:36] <rubiojr> I only want to report
[08:36] <daba> disclaimer: afaik
[08:36] <rubiojr> but I'll wait
[08:36] <] BreliC[> has anyone installed mplayer on Ubuntu 32bit with an AMD64?
[08:36] <rubiojr> Anyway
[08:36] <thoreauputic> daba: most likely they would just refer him back here
[08:36] <rubiojr> thanks very much dudes
[08:36] <kotatsu> ] BreliC[: yes, why?
[08:36] <daba> !anyone
[08:36] <kotatsu> ] BreliC[: I've stopped compiling it myself and I just install from apt now
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, which version did you install?  i'm just wondering which one i should choose (AMD64 3500+ K8N mobo)
[08:37] <kotatsu> I installed mplayer-k7
[08:37] <kotatsu> and mencoder-k7
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, ok, no probs?
[08:37] <kotatsu> yup, work fine
[08:37] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, thanks.. i'll try that
[08:37] <dark_> irc://irc.ff.st/manga-france
[08:37] <kotatsu> really I don't think it makes a difference in actually working
[08:37] <kotatsu> it just affects performance
[08:38] <kotatsu> a 686 kernel runs perfectly on my AMD64 systems
[08:38] <kotatsu> but I use the k7 series
[08:38] <] BreliC[> i thought so, just didn't want to muck up the system :)
[08:38] <dooglus> when I run top, I see a line like this at the top of the screen:
[08:38] <dooglus> Cpu(s):  9.0% us,  1.0% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id, 90.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[08:38] <dooglus> what is 'wa'?  and why might it be at 90%?
[08:38] <dooglus> (funny that the man page for top doesn't say what all those 2 letter abbreviations stand for)
[08:39] <daba> without assignment, maybe, since it adds up to 100% with the us-user&sy-system.
[08:39] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yeah, I wish I could find that info too
[08:40] <newz2000> any one here have success with kickstart and hoary? My tests seem to install much more than I asked for it. My goal is to make a quick-install cd with a custom set of packages.
[08:40] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I guess it's user, system, nice, idle, then - um - 'wait'?  and as for 'hi' and 'si' I have no idea
[08:40] <dooglus> and if it's 'wait', well, a waiting process isn't using the cpu, so I don't get it...
[08:40] <thoreauputic> dooglus: yes, the first few seem pretty clear at least
[08:41] <dooglus> how weird not to document what the output means in the manual page though, eh?
[08:41] <daba> you guys think what I said makes sense?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> dooglus: my "wa" shows zero here
[08:41] <dooglus> daba: without assignment to what though?
[08:41] <thoreauputic> oh - actually 0.2%
[08:42] <dooglus> thoreauputic: I think mine is usually zero, but I'm running an 'updatedb' with my huge external drive mounted.
[08:42] <daba> wihout assignment to any of those other fields, idle in other words.
[08:42] <dogg> hey, anybody managed to compile wien under amd64 ???
[08:42] <thoreauputic> dooglus: hmm... w_   access ? Guessing...
[08:42] <dogg> i mean wine.
[08:43] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, that's strange... mplayer and mencoder through Synaptic complain that dependencies cannot be resolved
[08:43] <] BreliC[> kotatsu, Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[08:43] <] BreliC[>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:43] <littleworm> is there any advanced math and geometry drawings app?
[08:43] <] BreliC[> i have all my repositories enabled..
[08:44] <dooglus> littleworm: did you see 'sodipodi'?  probably not what you're looking for, but maybe worth a try
[08:44] <destiny> ] BreliC[ exactly, disable marillat
[08:44] <thoreauputic> gnuplot?
[08:44] <] BreliC[> destiny, ahh, thanks
[08:44] <destiny> kk
[08:45] <dogg> anyone is using amd64 here ?
[08:45] <AirWays> What apt-get package is SSL for Apache?
[08:45] <AirWays> How I can install it?
[08:46] <wdh> AirWays, apt-cache search ssl |grep apache
[08:46] <] BreliC[> dogg, i am, but with 32bit Ubuntu
[08:46] <destiny> dogg did you try #wine? there is one, also a #cedega
[08:46] <wdh> AirWays, apache-ssl iirc
[08:46] <dogg> well...
[08:46] <thoreauputic> AirWays: apt-cache search apache | grep ssl
[08:46] <AirWays> libssl0.9.6 - SSL shared libraries (old version) <- that?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> haha
[08:46] <wdh> littleworm, can you explain more clear what you are looking for?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> wdh: same effect I guess ;)
[08:47] <jorgp> I just installed ubuntu and I have no sound, mixer channels are not muted and volumns are up and sound modules are loaded
[08:47] <wdh> thoreauputic, more or less :)
[08:47] <AirWays> libssl0.9.7  <-- That is SSL install files?
[08:47] <wdh> AirWays, you just want 'apache-ssl' i guess
[08:47] <AirWays> Well I want to install PhpBB forum and that needs SSL I think
[08:47] <AirWays> I dont remember
[08:48] <underdog> AirWays: no it doesn't
[08:48] <dogg> i saw on the ubuntu forum that some of the guys get it running and i get error while compiling" is not a valid 64 bit base/index expression" what is strange, cause i got the cvs server from ubuntu amd64 guide...
[08:48] <AirWays> No?
[08:48] <AirWays> Only PHP and mysql?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> AirWays: apt-cache show  apache-ssl to see
[08:48] <dogg> ssl is an additional component to phpbb2
[08:48] <dogg> only php and db.
[08:48] <dogg> to run.
[08:48] <AirWays> PostgreSQL <- I need that?
[08:48] <littleworm> wdh: not what i was looking for
[08:49] <underdog> AirWays: you can use mysql
[08:49] <AirWays> Okay
[08:49] <dogg> yeah, get mysql
[08:49] <wdh> AirWays, just install 'phpbb2' then
[08:49] <goldfish> dooglus: wait cpu percentage
[08:49] <wdh> AirWays, 'sudo apt-get install phpbb2'
[08:49] <wdh> littleworm, what _are_ you looking for?
[08:49] <AirWays> Where it goes?
[08:50] <wdh> AirWays, never mind.. open synaptic and search for that package
[08:50] <AirWays> I dont have X, that is server
[08:50] <wdh> where _what_ goes then?
[08:50] <AirWays> Nothing anymore
[08:50] <littleworm> wdh: i'm looking for an app which i can draw geometrical forms in it, and maybe functions
[08:50] <jeroen_> littleworm, maths?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> littleworm: apt-cache show gnuplot
[08:51] <wdh> littleworm, a CAD program? or gnuplot might work..
[08:51] <thoreauputic> littleworm: see if that is what you need
[08:51] <AirWays> You need to have mysql-server installed if you want the MySQL
[08:51] <zoddan> tiglionabbit: ?
[08:51] <AirWays> lol
[08:52] <underdog> AirWays: you need to have postgres installed if you want postgresql
[08:52] <zoddan> im having some problem with ubuntu, when i have logged into Gnome and after everything is loaded it locks up
[08:52] <zoddan> anyone have an ide ?
[08:53] <littleworm> how do i start gnuplot after i've installed it?
[08:53] <AirWays> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) <- ERR?!?!?!
[08:53] <dogg> type gnuplot in terminal
[08:53] <dogg> you have to start mysql
[08:53] <dogg> /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[08:54] <AirWays> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[08:55] <wdh> AirWays, find a decent howto
[08:55] <dany> hallo
[08:55] <wdh> hi dany