[00:40] <AnthonyUK> I am installing mythbuntu backend and I'm wondering do I check the box to install mythtv service? is this service needed if you plan on having a backend + frontend configuration or is the mythtv service for something else alltogether
[01:00] <AnthonyUK> I have selected mythtv service
[14:29] <qwebirc17683> hi how can i install extra monitor in mythbuntu? i want 2 use 2 displays but i cant find where the settings are
[14:30] <qwebirc17683> i already plugged the monitor to my laptop
[16:01] <luckyphuq> !help transcode
[16:45] <luckyphuq> can anyone tell me what transcode error 150 is?
[18:44] <marsilainen_> hi all
[18:44] <marsilainen_> I'm trying to connect to my mythtv backiend/frontend from a remote frontend
[18:45] <marsilainen_> I should point out that this is the first time that I've done this and also it's on a machine which has been newly installed with 12.04 and then imported DB/files from an older install
[18:45] <marsilainen_> AIUI the remote frontend should connect on port 6543 - but it looks to me as though that port is not open
[18:46] <marsilainen_> I'm not sure of much else yet
[18:47] <marsilainen_> hmm, actually 6543 does appear to be open
[18:48] <marsilainen_> but if I telnet to it on that port I just get connection refused
[18:52] <marsilainen> sorry, got cut off...
[19:00] <marsilainen> is the only setting where I tell the frontend the hostname of the backend
[19:00] <marsilainen> in the database settings?
[19:01] <marsilainen> I can't see anywhere else where I tell it the backend hostname


 Can anyone help ?
[01:00]  * mneptok gestures at nalioth again
[01:00] <mneptok> :)
[01:49] <bazhang> just had to mute someone in #ubuntu ; they are not responding--have asked them to go to their local ubuntu channel
[01:51] <nalioth> bazhang: we appreciate your input, but the play-by-play isn't necessary
[01:52] <bazhang> sorry nalioth; just wanted to make sure my actions were correct--it being the first time
[01:53] <nalioth> we'll let you know if we see any oddities in them
[01:54] <bazhang> thanks very much
[01:54] <nalioth> you will soon learn the MO of common trolls
[01:54] <nalioth> this was one.  you see he left as soon as his voice was taken.
[01:56] <bazhang> thanks for the help--sorry to ask so many questions
[01:58] <nalioth> no worries on the questions
[01:58] <nalioth> ask away
[01:59] <bazhang> much appreciated :)
[02:02] <mneptok> O:)
[02:03] <mneptok> nice to see you with a head-danish, bazhang :)
[02:03] <bazhang> did not notice I got kicked :)
[02:03] <bazhang> hi mneptok :)
[02:03] <mneptok> welcome to our nightmare.
[02:04] <bazhang> haha
[02:05] <mneptok> remember, "non ex transverso, sed deorsum."
[02:06] <bazhang> willl have to google that :)
[02:55] <poolie> hi
[02:56] <poolie> could someone please ask ubotu or its replacement to join #bzr?
[02:56] <poolie> we miss him
[03:03] <mneptok> poolie: i'll make sure that happens when jussi01 unidles
[03:04] <elky_work> mneptok, iirc Jucato and LjL may also have admin, not sure
[03:04] <poolie> thankyou
[05:30] <Myrtti> Whose is that
[05:30] <BunnyRevolution> it's me
[05:32] <Myrtti> H
[05:32] <Myrtti> Hrm
[05:34] <mneptok> 00:33 CTCP VERSION reply from BunnyRevolution: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 3.0b5/2008041514]
[05:34] <mneptok> cute ident
[05:37] <Myrtti> Indeed
[06:06] <Amaranth> BunnyRevolution is in that other channel
[06:19] <elky_work> yes, i know
[07:29] <Myrtti> I've got admins too to it
[08:35] <gnomefreak> you cant use wildcards :(
[08:35] <gnomefreak> anyone car e to help me remove users?
[08:39] <gnomefreak> !staff
[08:40] <Myrtti> whoa
[08:40] <gnomefreak> thank you for the k-lines
[08:40] <gnomefreak> i couldnt keep up
[08:42] <Myrtti> ok, time to leash a regexp ignore
[08:42] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: ther has to be another way
[08:43] <Myrtti> /ignore -regexp -pattern "K-lined" #ubuntu QUITS
[08:43] <Myrtti> sure, tell me when you figure one out
[09:25] <elkbuntu> nalioth, the yvonnebots just got #debian
[10:07] <ikonia> whoaaa can someone look at YvonneDa* names in #ubuntu
[10:07] <Myrtti> !staff
[10:07] <ikonia> 9 users suddenly became the same nick
[10:14] <gnomefreak> they came back?
[10:15] <Myrtti> seems that they have this funky way to join
[10:16] <ikonia> gents linux_user%%% in #ubuntu swearing wants fedora support, won't go
[10:17] <Myrtti> dealing
[10:49] <ikonia> appriciated
[11:12] <Myrtti> !envyng
[11:12] <Myrtti> !info envyng
[11:13] <Myrtti> there should be different factoids
[11:15] <Myrtti> !envy
[11:16] <ikonia> ubotu never got updated with envyng
[11:16] <ikonia> just cautious of the links in ubottu thats referencing ubotu
[11:19] <elkbuntu> they should all have been a self reference to begin with, similar to how <reply> is done
[11:19] <ikonia> yes, there are a few (looking through the database) that hard code the name of ubotu
[11:25] <ikonia> help in #ubuntu again
[11:25] <ikonia> the yyoonne guys are back
[11:25] <ikonia> about 15 nick changes at once
[11:26] <ikonia> !staff
[11:26] <ikonia> elkbuntu: thank you
[11:28] <Gary> asked for senior staffer assistance
[11:29] <ikonia> poor elkbuntu banning about 20 nicks
[11:31] <ikonia> elkbuntu: nice effort
[11:31] <elkbuntu> Gary, the yvonnebots have been hanging around for days, im not sure it's something they can cope with
[11:32] <elkbuntu> Gary, is there a way to put a ban in that matches and removes when they change nick?
[11:34] <elkbuntu> there was already a new batch waiting in #debian by the looks
[11:36] <Gary> you could ban yvonne*
[11:41] <elkbuntu> Gary, and that would *remove* them when they change the nick to that?
[11:44] <Gary> if it were a mute, it'd mute em
[11:44] <Gary> but no, it'd not remove them
[11:44] <elkbuntu> so your answer to 'is there a way' is 'no'?
[11:45] <ikonia> elkbuntu: rather than freenode banning / kicking I wonder if it would be possible to have something like flood bot kick %yvonne% nicks
[11:45] <ikonia> elkbuntu: eg: as it see's a list of known nicks kick them
[11:45] <elkbuntu> what about one of those chanserv bans... the type sev cracked over
[11:45] <ikonia> that shouldn't be too big an augment
[11:45] <ikonia> then it's useful beyond this current problem
[11:45] <elkbuntu> ikonia, a floodbot hitlist could be useful yes
[11:45] <ikonia> you could have a "known nick" list for things like this
[11:45] <elkbuntu> LjL, ^^
[12:26] <gnomefreak> today is a german holiday?
[12:34] <Myrtti> today is a Finnish holiday for sure
[12:36] <bazhang> not a Taiwanese holiday
[12:36] <Pici> May Day
[12:38] <Myrtti> almost every Finn is suffering from a mild headache today
[12:38] <Pici> Solar flares?
[12:40] <Myrtti> hangover
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ikonia: envy is in ubuntu now
[12:48] <Pici> envyng, and only for hardy.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, that.
[12:51] <Hobbsee> seeing as that's released now...
[13:01] <gnomefreak> is the bot missing the @ plugins?
[13:01] <gnomefreak> or is it borked
[13:02] <elkbuntu> @ping
[13:02] <gnomefreak> @now berlin
[13:02] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, it just hates you
[13:02] <gnomefreak> it does
[13:02] <gnomefreak> maybe its the now info that is missing
[13:03] <gnomefreak> and its breaking on !info iceape-browser gutsy
[13:03] <gnomefreak> but !info firefox works
[13:03] <jussio1> !info iceape-browser
[13:04] <jussio1> !info iceape-browser hardy
[13:04] <jussio1> hrm
[13:04] <gnomefreak> jussio1: its seamonkey in hardy
[13:04] <gnomefreak> iceape is transitional in hardy
[13:04] <jussio1> gnomefreak: yeah, but it still should have returned it doesnt exist
[13:05] <jussio1> I need to look at that.
[13:05] <gnomefreak> thanks :)
[13:05] <gnomefreak> if you used seveas plugins and code it should all be there and working unless he changed it while i was gone
[13:06] <jussio1> gnomefreak: Ill have a look at it. this bot has been running for a while, but seveas stuff was used as a base.
[13:06] <gnomefreak> ah
[13:07] <jussio1> gnomefreak: do you know the plugin name that was used for the now command?
[13:07] <gnomefreak> jussio1: no i dont
[13:08] <gnomefreak> i was never a bot guy i had one it worked like crap and that was the end
[13:08] <jussio1> gnomefreak: ahh, got you. Ill go look at it anyway :)
[13:19] <gnomefreak> incoming
[13:19]  * Pici ducks
[13:20] <gnomefreak> Yvonne is complaining about being banned
[13:20] <gnomefreak> said it wasnt him
[13:21] <gnomefreak> i started banning than they were being k-lines
[13:21] <gnomefreak> k-lined
[13:23] <gnomefreak> whats the command to bring up ban list?
[13:23] <Pici> /bans or /mode +b #channel
[13:23] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:25] <gnomefreak> it doesnt even show that i banned anyone
[13:25] <Yvonne> hello
[13:25] <gnomefreak> Yvonne: i know i banned a few of them just cant seem to locate it in the channel
[13:25] <Yvonne> that's ok hun I understand you had to do this
[13:26] <gnomefreak> i did ban you as im seeing it but hard to tell between you and the other nicks
[13:26] <Yvonne> I understand
[13:26] <Myrtti> collateral damage :-<
[13:27] <Yvonne> I just sit idle here I'm innocent :P
[13:27] <Pici> Which channel?
[13:27] <gnomefreak> ill unban you to try it if it hapens again than we will see what happens than
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Pici: i got it
[13:27] <Yvonne> I could get in already it's fine now
[13:27] <Pici> Okay
[13:27] <Myrtti> it's really scary to see 10+ nicks change to Yvonne[^\w]{2}
[13:27] <Yvonne> yeah I get it
[13:28] <Myrtti> oh, I suck at regexpes
[13:28] <Yvonne> I just didn't want anyone to think it was me doing this.
[13:28] <gnomefreak> 08:28 -!- Irssi: Channel not fully synchronized yet, try again after a while
[13:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: use a +e?
[13:29] <gnomefreak> Yvonne: try to join
[13:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i had script command wrong
[13:29] <Yvonne> I'm already in hun
[13:29] <gnomefreak> than why did i unban you?
[13:29] <Yvonne> I don't know =)
[13:30] <Yvonne> that's weird indeed
[13:32] <gnomefreak> ok i see what happened too many of you started banning all of them
[13:34] <elkbuntu> Yvonne, we're seasoned ops, we know how it goes :)
[13:34] <Yvonne> :)
[13:35] <Yvonne> thanks for fixing things :)
[13:35] <Amaranth> crap i fell asleep with my laptop on my lap
[13:35] <gnomefreak> 100+ of someones nick its bound to happen
[13:35] <jussio1> Amaranth: :P
[13:35] <Amaranth> worse, i fell asleep pushing the f1 key
[13:35] <gnomefreak> good f1 doesnt do anything outside of compiz
[13:35] <Pici> I was going to suggest seeking help if you fell asleep like that, but I guess you're one step ahead of me
[13:35] <gnomefreak> good thing *
[13:36] <Amaranth> err, f1 is help
[13:36] <gnomefreak> oh crap f1 does do something
[13:36] <Amaranth> for, say, xchat-gnome
[13:36] <Pici> ba-dum
[13:36] <gnomefreak> yeah i got gnome-term help
[13:36] <Amaranth> i have like 100 yelps open
[13:37] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a bit
[13:38] <elkbuntu> Yvonne, have you any clue what they're wanting from you, or are they just sick puppies?
[13:38] <Yvonne> they got what they want I guess, me banned.
[13:38] <Yvonne> I don't know
[13:38] <Yvonne> I have a weird feeling they come from my network.
[13:39] <elkbuntu> Yvonne, havent considered changing your nick?
[13:40] <Yvonne> maybe I should if it continues
[13:40] <Yvonne> I rather not.
[13:40] <elkbuntu> i think there's more coming guys
[13:42] <Pici> lag methinks
[13:42] <Yvonne> I'll leave the #ubuntu for now
[13:42] <Yvonne> maybe they part
[13:42] <elkbuntu> i doubt it
[13:43] <Yvonne> if they are out to get me only they wont have fun if I can't see it.
[13:43] <elkbuntu> Yvonne, if you changed your nick to Yvonne| it would probably make sure you're the last yvonne on the tabcomplete list
[13:43] <Hobbsee> Yvonne: that's admitting defeat.
[13:43] <Yvonne> Hobbsee: I know, but what can I do.
[13:43] <elkbuntu> and hence, we'd not accidentally hit you
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Yvonne: keep participating anyway, and rely on freenode staff to kline the trolls.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> if, in their infinite wisdom, they choose not to do anything, then you may want to quit
[13:45] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, they *are* klining them, but they're coming back with more ips really quickly
[13:45] <Yvonne> they join slowly, sit for a while then "attack"
[13:45] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah, damn.  i was under the impressoin they'd stopped for a bit.
[13:46] <elkbuntu> they might be catching breath, yeah
[13:46] <Yvonne> If they really come from my network, they know I can't *line them here
[13:47] <elkbuntu> you should be gathering a really nice collection of ips for there though ;)
[13:49] <Yvonne> ahh, my coffee is cold now
[13:49] <jussio1> morning Jucato
[13:49] <Jucato> hey jussio1 good evening
[13:56] <Hobbsee> morning Jucato!
[13:56] <Jucato> hiya Hobbsee!!!! :)
[13:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:57] <Yvonne> maybe staffers can see they have different usermodes set, I know most floodbots on my network mostly have deaf mode set so they are easy to find
[13:58] <Yvonne> not that we have a network full of floodbots though, that didn't sound good :)
[13:58] <elkbuntu> you could always pop into #freenode and ask
[13:59] <Yvonne> thanks, I hope it wont happen again
[13:59] <Myrtti> !ubotu
[13:59] <Yvonne> have a nice day/evening all
[14:00] <elkbuntu> poor thing
[14:00] <jussio1> Myrtti: is there a problem?
[14:00] <Myrtti> !no ubotu is I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose pwodered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeus looks in the near future ;)
[14:00] <elkbuntu> incoming
[14:00] <Myrtti> !bot
[14:00] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[14:00] <jussio1> Myrtti: someone screwed the alias's
[14:01] <Myrtti> !ubotu
[14:01] <Myrtti> dangh
[14:01] <jussio1> !-bot
[14:01] <jussio1> !-ubotu
[14:01] <Myrtti> I give up
[14:01] <jussio1> !no, bot is <alias>ubotu
[14:02] <jussio1> !-ubotu
[14:02] <jussio1> !no, list is <alias>ubotu
[14:02] <jussio1> !no, list is <alias>ubotu
[14:03] <jussio1> !no, everything is <alias>ubotu
[14:03] <jussio1> !no, everything is <alias>ubotu
[14:03] <jussio1> Myrtti: there we are :)
[14:03] <hischild> not to be annoying, but what's up with the huge k-line spam in #ubuntu?
[14:03] <Myrtti> it's not spam
[14:03] <Myrtti> if you're using irssi, feel free to use ignore
[14:04] <hischild> i use xchat, how would i use ignore?
[14:04] <Pici> klines are done by freenode staff, not Ubuntu ops.
[14:04] <Myrtti> /ignore -regexp -pattern "K-lined" #ubuntu QUITS
[14:04] <Myrtti> that's for irssi
[14:04] <Dave2> you can't ignore by pattern in XChat by default
[14:04] <Dave2> (annoyingly.)
[14:04] <hischild> Pici, alright thank you.
[14:05] <Myrtti> well doh, everybody knows irssi is the superiour irc client... ;-)
[14:05] <hischild> Myrtti, i'm still getting used to all the command line features and programs
[14:06] <hischild> but thank you all for the info. I'll see what i can manage with irssi.
[14:06]  * Dave2 is an xchat user, but has a tendency to get annoyed by its limitations... (Thankfully I use irssi-proxy also.)
[14:07] <Hobbsee> yay, proxies@
[14:08] <Myrtti> !bot
[14:08] <Myrtti> !no ubotu is <reply> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose pwodered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeus looks in the near future ;)
[14:08] <Myrtti> /me ignores Ubotwo
[14:11] <Dave2> \allserv back
[14:54] <ikonia> Hobbsee: sorry. missed your comment earlier, envyng is in ubuntu as I understand it, but envy isn't
[14:54] <ikonia> I appriciate one is really a front end from what I've read, but is there any distincation that is not clear
[14:56] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yeah, that.
[14:56] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it should have it's crackfulness removed
[14:59] <ikonia> Hobbsee: so is "envy" still the hunk of junk, or is it a new re-write thats been incoperated (envy - not envyng"
[15:00] <Amaranth> envy still sucks, envyng is not bad
[15:01] <ikonia> Amaranth: thats as I understood it also
[15:01] <ikonia> just want to make sure I don't rubbish a product thats trying to be brought forward
[15:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:02]  * Hobbsee doesn't know
[15:08] <bazhang> envyng is fine
[15:18] <ikonia> bazhang: as in fine it works, or as in fine it's "supported"
[15:18] <ikonia> bazhang: and are you differentiating between results from envy over envyng
[15:18] <ikonia> (sorry, just being clear)
[15:19] <Amaranth> sort of supported
[15:19] <Amaranth> it's in universe and the guy had help from ubuntu people to make it not suck
[15:20] <bazhang> ikonia: sorry did not see your message--works fine in results as using it now and no problems whatsoever; envy is a bit of a problem to say the least
[15:21] <ikonia> bazhang, got you, and Amaranth response also paints a clearer picture of why
[15:21] <ikonia> maybe an update on the facotid of that, makes it easier to differentiate for people
[15:21] <bazhang> ikonia as to the why--well only gurus could say
[15:22] <bazhang> as I suspect you are
[15:22] <ikonia> no no, that makes sense, if ng is a re-write / update with ubuntu input, I suspect the quality control will be better than the tosh that envy as a tool knocked out
[15:22] <ikonia> my reading suggested it was just a re-submital to ubuntu with a front end, but a re-write/update makes sense
[15:22] <ikonia> input appriciated,
[15:22] <ikonia> !envyng
[15:22] <ikonia> ok,
[15:23] <ikonia> !envy > ikonia
[15:31] <jussio1> !envyng | ikonia
[15:32] <ikonia> better
[15:32] <ikonia> thanks
[15:32] <jussio1> :)
[15:32] <ikonia> nice to give peopler a better solution rather than saying unsupported ! tough luck !
[15:32] <ikonia> jussio1: may "vary" not "very
[15:32] <ikonia> fat fingers on my part
[15:33] <Pici> !envyng =~ s/very/vary/
[15:33] <ikonia> ta
[15:33] <Pici> oh hey, the bot listened to me too
[15:33]  * Pici gives jussio1 a cookie
[15:34] <wgrant> Also, s/'//
[15:35] <ikonia> wgrant: ahhh wrong its
[15:35]  * jussio1 passes the cookie onto stdins
[15:35] <Pici> !envyng =~ s/'//
[15:35] <ikonia> well spoted
[15:35] <ikonia> spotted
[15:35] <wgrant> Pici: Thanks.
[15:35] <Pici> surely
[15:41] <Amaranth> Wow, these guys are getting good
[15:42] <Amaranth> Join slowly then part flood, never seen that before
[15:49] <Dave2> i think i've see nthat sort of behaviour from bots a few times in the past. relatively rarethough.
[15:49] <Dave2> ugh, nobody can possibly tell from my typing that I'm utterly knackered \o/
[16:09] <Pici> MetaMorfoziS: Hello, how can we help you today?
[16:09] <MetaMorfoziS> hi, no thanks
[16:10] <Pici> MetaMorfoziS: Please see the topic then.
[16:21] <chmac_away> G'day
[16:21] <chmac_away> ubottu says: See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[16:21] <Pici> chmac_away: How can we help you?
[16:21] <Pici> chmac_away: ah, thankyou
[16:22] <Pici> chmac_away: which factoid?
[16:22] <chmac_away> It needs 2 Ts, and it doesn't recognise Guidelines as a command :)
[16:22] <ikonia> thats me
[16:22] <ikonia> it's !away
[16:22] <chmac_away> Ahh, yes, that would be the factoid
[16:22] <chmac_away> :)
[16:22] <Pici> *sigh*
[16:22] <ikonia> Pici: it's in the udpate I sent Myrtti
[16:23] <Pici> !guidelines
[16:23] <ikonia> !away
[16:23] <Pici> !away =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[16:24] <chmac_away> But !command doesn't produce the same result as /msg ubottu command, or at least not with Guidelines
[16:25] <chmac_away> Try /msg ubottu guidelines, you get "Error: "Guidelines" is not a valid command." then the factoid
[16:25] <Pici> chmac_away: Yeah, its currently a known issue.  ubottu was just put in place because we have had some issues with the original bot's host :(
[16:26] <chmac_away> Cool
[16:27] <chmac_away> And apologies for the nick changes, I'm on a load of channels, I know it's one of those controversial things :)
[17:00] <Myrtti> checkout myrtticam before my battery dies!
[17:01] <Seeker`> Myrtti: link?
[17:01] <Myrtti> my host + cam
[17:02] <Pici> Is that a trashcan?
[17:02] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm at my moms
[17:02] <Pici> booo
[17:02] <Myrtti> you want to see my playhouse?
[17:02] <Pici> BÖÖÖÖÖ rather
[17:04] <Pici> Playhouse?
[17:05] <Hobbsee> will mootbot come back, at some point?
[17:07] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: I would hope so - been too busy to try and sort anything esle
[17:08] <Seeker`> I dont currently have a host to run it on
[17:08] <ikonia> Seeker`: you do now
[17:08] <Seeker`> ikonia: ?
[17:09] <ikonia> I have host available :)
[17:10] <Seeker`> hmm
[17:11] <Seeker`> I'll have to get the code etc. together to be transferred  -depends on whether I still have access to Seveas' server
[17:11] <ikonia> ah
[17:12] <ikonia> you where working well with that bot
[17:12] <ikonia> I remember you starting it I think
[17:12] <Seeker`> I dont seem to have access any more
[17:12] <Seeker`> I iwll have to send him an email about it
[17:14] <Seeker`> lecture over, bye
[17:16] <Yvonne> sorry to bug you, but could someone unban me from #debian please
[17:17] <Yvonne> I've msgd several staffers but they are all gone it seems.
[17:18] <Myrtti> Damn neighbours
[17:19] <Myrtti> Pulled the plug from wlan routers
[17:21] <ikonia> poor yvonne, must have been banned with the nick flood guys earlier
[17:22] <Hobbsee> [02:16] <sabdfl> elmo says he will run ubotu with pleasure
[17:22] <Hobbsee> [02:16] <sabdfl> can you coordinate with him?
[17:22] <Hobbsee> goody.
[17:28] <Seeker`> yay!
[17:29] <Seeker`> sadly the mootbot plugin for the new ubotu was never finished
[17:29] <Seeker`> so it still needs to run on eggdrop, which noone with a "decent" network will touch
[17:29] <Hobbsee> so, PriceChild has offered to handle it, as i'm afk for the next while (work, uni, etc)
[17:29] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: ewww.
[17:30] <Hobbsee> someone had better finish teh plugin.
[17:30] <Seeker`> yeah
[17:30] <Seeker`> I dont know python
[17:30] <Seeker`> :(
[17:30] <Seeker`> Was the new ubotu ever finished?
[17:30] <ikonia> not according to the repo
[17:31] <Pici> eww eggdrop
[17:32] <Seeker`> hmm, laptop battery is almost dead-  I may go a bit quiet soon :)
[17:32] <Seeker`> Pici: It is very easy to code in - but wrt security it has been compared to swiss chees
[17:32] <Seeker`> e
[17:32] <Pici> I do not like tcl
[17:33] <Seeker`> It took about an hour to learn
[17:34] <Pici> I tried using it a while ago to make a trivia bot and failed miserably
[17:35] <tonyyarusso> I wish there was a way to put a comment on the same line as "chanserv gives|removes op to|from foo"
[17:35] <Pici> tonyyarusso: What do you mean?
[17:39] <tonyyarusso> Pici: Like, I just opped myself in -classroom to handle questions, but then popey came back so I didn't need to, so I could do something like '/quote chanserv op #ubuntu-classroom -tonyyarusso "Lets popey handle it instead"'
[17:39] <tonyyarusso> Pici: Or, sometimes I op in another channel just to do /invites, and it looks weird to op up, do nothing visible, and deop.
[17:39] <Pici> tonyyarusso: ah
[17:47] <Pici> I'm gonna pull down a branch of the new ubot code and take a look at it since Seveas probably wont be touching that anymore
[18:11] <nalioth> DONUTS!
[18:11] <Pici> WHERE?!
[18:15] <nalioth> thought you were bringing them, Pici
[18:17] <Pici> nalioth: Pastries and donuts I have none
[21:38] <Hasone> I'm trying to fix this dcc thing, but I can't find th  options in chatzilla
[22:54] <hischild> i've given it some thought and was wondering whether the pastebin factoid can contain some info for pastebinit (the app)?
[23:04] <stdin> what it would you want it to say?
[23:06] <gnomefreak> we have pastebinit in the archives?
[23:06] <gnomefreak> i was using webboard
[23:06] <gnomefreak> we do
[23:06] <gnomefreak> hm
[23:13] <hischild> stdin, i have no idea. I only gave it some thought as it's one of the main utilities i make others use for pastebinning information and then i started wondering.
[23:13] <hischild> gnomefreak, we do :-)
[23:16] <hischild> stdin, perhaps a new factoid explaining the purpose of pastebinit with a link in !pastebin?
[23:17] <stdin> go ahead and suggest one
[23:17] <gnomefreak> it doesnt show up anywhere though
[23:18] <hischild> gnomefreak, pastebinit is a command line app. You can feed it information and it'll produce a pastebin link. cat /etc/X11/xorg | pastebinit gives you a pastebin with your xorg.conf for example.
[23:18] <hischild> stdin, where/how? (sorry new to this)
[23:18] <gnomefreak> oh
[23:19] <hischild> gnomefreak, fix that typo there to xorg.conf and not just xorg
[23:19] <gnomefreak> sweet
[23:19] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:19] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.com/f624cd9bc
[23:19] <stdin> hischild: you can "/msg ubottu pastebinit is ....." or do "!pastebin it is ...", or just type it here
[23:19] <gnomefreak> omg i love it
[23:20] <gnomefreak> its easy
[23:20] <hischild>  /xorg ==> sudo aptitude install pastebinit && cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[23:21] <gnomefreak> -i worked with less work :)
[23:21] <hischild> stdin, i'm afraid i'm not that good at wording and stuff.
[23:21] <hischild> gnomefreak, true, but piping works with ls as well, as with most other commands
[23:21] <gnomefreak> oh
[23:21] <hischild> gnomefreak, your way works better for files, i'll admit that :)
[23:22] <gnomefreak> but wont work for everything unless you pipe output to file
[23:22] <hischild> gnomefreak, stuttering output is true. Temp files work for that.
[23:23] <gnomefreak> yep but proble is cant use it when building failures occur as it would be way too much text
[23:23] <gnomefreak> problem but its fixable
[23:23] <hischild> perhaps pipe to a file and then tail it?
[23:23] <gnomefreak> yeah that would work
[23:24] <hischild> gnomefreak, it's very useful when helping someone who can't use a pastebin service good, or has some command line problems. It's hard for a newcomer to copy out of a terminal sometimes.
[23:25] <gnomefreak> xorg issues it works great for
[23:25] <gnomefreak> install that mouse app and you can paste with mouse
[23:26] <hischild> that mouse app?
[23:27] <gnomefreak> cant recall name of it off hand
[23:27] <gnomefreak> its like 3 letters
[23:27] <hischild> what does it do?
[23:28] <gnomefreak> allows you to paste without X
[23:28] <gnomefreak> gpm i think it is
[23:29] <hischild> sounds nice
[23:29] <gnomefreak> that is the app
[23:29] <hischild> !show gpm
[23:30] <hischild> !info gpm
[23:30] <hischild> i see. *checks*
[23:30] <gnomefreak> im 99% sure on it
[23:30] <hischild> oh man my pc is slow ... converting a dvd to avi
[23:32]  * mneptok whispers "avi is not a format" :P
[23:32] <hischild> gnomefreak, yes you're right. Says so in aptitude show :)
[23:33]  * gnomefreak cant sign in :(
[23:33]  * hischild whispers back that it's a rough description, but would you call dvd a file format then?
[23:34] <gnomefreak> its possible dvd is a type of format
[23:34] <mneptok> AVI is a container. it can wrap many codecs, including DivX and XviD, which are probably the most poular.
[23:34] <mneptok> *popular
[23:34] <gnomefreak> why dont they just spell it backwards
[23:35] <mneptok> DVD video uses a raw encrypted video stream, and a timing hint track, IIRC
[23:35] <gnomefreak> someone stopped thinking of names i guess
[23:35] <ompaul> gnomefreak,  backawards has more letters than it  ;-)
[23:35] <gnomefreak> :)
[23:35] <ompaul> gnomefreak,  and upon more reflection it is also noted that backawards has more letters than ti  ;-)
[23:35] <hischild> gnomefreak, from my point of view, dvd is also a container, as is avi. Though i'm currently converting to an XviD format :)
[23:36] <mneptok> lol
[23:36] <mneptok> that's the spirit!
[23:36] <gnomefreak> lol
[23:36] <gnomefreak> DivX and Xvid are different. how?
[23:36] <gnomefreak> why
[23:37] <ompaul> don't ask why politics of being a monopoly are boring
[23:37] <gnomefreak> he worte it on paper and went to a mirror
[23:37] <mneptok> DivX is a proprietary codec based off work done on MPEG4
[23:37] <mneptok> XviD is an open reverse-engineering of the DivX codec.
[23:37] <ompaul> and what is on a DVD to start with?
[23:37]  * ompaul knows nothing of DVDs
[23:37] <mneptok> DVD video uses a raw encrypted video stream, and a timing hint track, IIRC
[23:37] <mneptok> (x2) :)
[23:37] <gnomefreak> scratches
[23:38] <hischild> ompaul, a music dvd from immortal souls.
[23:38] <ompaul> mneptok, so it is just a data dump
[23:38] <ompaul> done on a sector by sector basis or whatever way they do it
[23:38] <gnomefreak> all i know is i learned how to do bad things with dvd files
[23:38] <hischild> mneptok, i have no idea which codec came to be from which one or how they came to be at all, but from my experience so far XviD gives me better results then DivX
[23:39] <mneptok> ompaul: it is compressed and encrypted in some way. guy named Jon knows about that stuff. ;)
[23:39] <ompaul> mneptok, ack
[23:39] <gnomefreak> so do i :( but shhh
[23:39] <ompaul> mneptok, that would be a surname then ;-)
[23:39] <mneptok> ompaul: yeah, his given name is "DVD"
[23:39] <ompaul> hehe
[23:39] <ompaul> ok
[23:40]  * ompaul wanders back to doing silly stuff to postfix queues
[23:40]  * gnomefreak trying to rememb3er java :( ill trade jobs
[23:41] <ompaul> how come last night before I went to bed there were something like 47 spams waiting to die in the q and tonight there are only 7 don't spammers work Thursdays?
[23:41]  * ompaul grins
[23:41] <ompaul> the long expiring queue
[23:41] <ompaul> la la lala laaaaaa
[23:42]  * ompaul looks for the plot
[23:43] <gnomefreak> they did alot today
[23:43] <gnomefreak> except not email just IRC
[23:51] <hischild> the jesus dude is kind of freaking out it appears in #ubuntu.
[23:52] <Nafallo> nail him to a cross!
[23:52]  * Nafallo hides
[23:53]  * hischild grabs nails n hammer
[23:54] <elky_work> ompaul, did your restriction on the nick 'jesus' get lifted?
[23:54] <ompaul> elky_work, people thought it was far too broad and now we get this
[23:55] <elky_work> indeed
[23:55] <hischild> curtis is asking for torrent links to cod4 and spamming me. I'll put him on ignore, but i'm fairly sure he'll bother others with it as well.
[23:55] <elky_work> hischild, iirc curtis was in last night spamming with '?'
[23:56] <hischild> elky_work, after refusing to help him obtain a link for a cod4 torrent he started to do that, yes.
[23:56] <elky_work> ompaul, can you please waste some time on curtis before removing him
[23:56] <hischild> i'm sure you'll enjoy yourself with it
[23:57] <elky_work> im at work. i shouldnt even be in *this* channel
[23:57] <ompaul> ack
[23:58] <gnomefreak> i have no history with him :)


[02:44] <DanaG> Odd... Linux thinks my Intel 5300agn card is a 5100 card.
[04:17] <DanaG> I suppose I should file a bug report about the odd interaction (or lack thereof) between the mute button on my laptop, and ALSA.
[04:19] <NoelJB> DanaG: probably ... what problem?  WFM, FWIW.
[04:19] <DanaG> HP EliteBook 8530w.  The mute hotkey is not a standard button -- it's a "QuickTouch" button.
[04:20] <NoelJB> Similar to the mute button on my Thinkpad?
[04:20] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[04:20] <DanaG> On mine, some of the hotkeys have to go through the hp-wmi module.
[04:20] <NoelJB> I have dedicated buttons for mute, volup, voldown.
[04:21] <DanaG> In hardware, it's a similar sort of thing -- but I don't know how similar or different it is in software.
[04:21] <DanaG> In addition, the fn-escape shortcut on my laptop sends keycode 465... which Xorg "can't handle" (that's the message it gives me).
[04:28] <NoelJB> DanaG: I'd expect that it would come in via ACPI.
[04:30] <NoelJB> although perhaps not for mute.
[04:34] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the keys are actually not ACPI events.  Instead, they're a virtual input device.
[04:35] <DanaG> With showkey... they give keycodes, but not scancodes.
[04:35] <NoelJB> ok
[04:40] <pengo> is there a good repo that has more recent stuff than the stock standard intrepid repo?
[04:40] <pengo> e.g. vuze, blender..
[04:41] <NoelJB> intrepid is supported in #ubuntu
[04:42] <pengo> yeah but they don't help :/
[04:43] <Volkodav> is there a way to upgrade via synaptic to Jaunty?
[04:43] <NoelJB> pengo: vuze is in universe according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/vuze
[04:44] <Volkodav> I am getting this error http://pastebin.com/m125dc6c6
[04:44] <pengo> NoelJB: yeah but i want a newer version.. they're up to v4 now
[04:45] <NoelJB> Volkodav: pengo I know.  I run v4 myself.  Install it manually.
[04:45] <pengo> NoelJB: hmm... so i should just install newer stuff manually?
[04:46] <Volkodav> NoelJB, install what manually?
[04:46] <NoelJB> pengo: That all depends.
[04:46] <NoelJB> Volkodav: talking to pengo about vuze.
[04:46] <NoelJB> although we really should move this to #ubuntu.  doesn't belong here.
[04:46] <Volkodav> oh
[04:46] <pengo> ok
[04:47] <Volkodav> any idea what's wrong with the script
[04:47] <NoelJB> Volkodav: not a clue.  I do clean installs.
[04:48] <NoelJB> Volkodav: seems to be complaining about connections.
[04:48] <Volkodav> and d-bus too
[09:04] <DanaG> Heh, I just put on headphones and cranked my input volume on the array mic way up... and wow, it sounds rather interesting.  I can even hear the sounds of the backlight inverter.
[09:05] <DanaG> Array microphones are cool.
[09:05] <DanaG> Some experiment I'm going to try: insert canalphones (those earplug-like headphones), and see if I can localize sounds as well from the array mic as I can from my own two ears.
[13:16] <prahal_> could at-spi in jaunty work without xevie (as it was removed from the xserver) ? I need at-spi registy for gnome-voice-control (nothing citical though as I understood at-spi is mportant for other uses
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> how do I run gnome-do with debug symbols from gdb?
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> I already install it, but cant start it
[14:22] <BUGabundo_work1> gdb gnome-do says: "/usr/bin/gnome-do not in executable format
[14:58] <eagles0513875> where can i get the iso for jaunty so i can help test it out
[15:00] <IdleOne> cdimages.ubuntu.com IIRC
[15:00] <eagles0513875> ty IdleOne
[15:02] <eagles0513875> IdleOne this is the right place im looking right http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-1/
[15:02] <IdleOne> yup
[15:02] <IdleOne> no Live cd at the momment
[15:03] <IdleOne> use alternate cd
[15:03] <eagles0513875> thats fine gonna be setting it up on a vm
[15:03] <IdleOne> well then you got it
[15:03] <eagles0513875> :)ty
[15:04] <eagles0513875> IdleOne i know this probably isnt the place to ask this but i have been using apt-build extensivley and i would like to work with the developer on improving it what woudl be the best way to go abotu it
[15:05] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-dev might be more help
[15:06] <IdleOne> they can guide you in the right direction
[15:06] <eagles0513875> been baned from there till after jaunty
[15:07] <IdleOne> hahah
[15:07] <IdleOne> well then ummm
[15:08] <IdleOne> launchpad.net look for the package and join the team I guess
[15:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:08] <IdleOne> really not sure
[15:09] <eagles0513875> havent found a team i guess ill just wait
[15:15] <eagles0513875> hows jaunty looking so far in alpha
[15:16] <IdleOne> eagles0513875, see if you can talk to blueyed about apt-build he might be able to help you
[15:17] <IdleOne> https://launchpad.net/~blueyed
[15:17] <IdleOne> I'm done doing research now :P
[15:18] <eagles0513875> IdleOne :)
[15:18] <eagles0513875> ty
[15:18] <IdleOne> np
[15:18] <eagles0513875> hows jaunty looking in alpha
[15:18] <IdleOne> don't know I have not tested it yet
[15:18] <IdleOne> I normally wait till alpha 3 and upgrade
[15:19] <IdleOne> by then things are pretty stable
[15:19] <eagles0513875> dont try in a vm
[15:20] <eagles0513875> you dont try it on a vm?
[15:22] <IdleOne> my machine is to slow and makes it very disappointing
[15:22] <IdleOne> so I don't bother
[15:22] <eagles0513875> :( ouchie
[15:22] <eagles0513875> your on intrepid right
[15:22] <IdleOne> yeah
[15:23] <eagles0513875> i want to see if you get the same issue as me but do u have a spare machine you can boot off the live cd and see if it load busybox initramfs prompt for ya cuz for me thats what it keeps doing even ater turing acpi and all that stuff off
[15:24] <IdleOne> sorry I don't
[15:25] <eagles0513875> if this is a bug i would like to see it caught before next release
[15:47] <eagles0513875> anyone else having an issue after choosing a method of how to update your system
[16:15] <eagles0513875> im having issues at the part where the installer is trying to install the necessary software
[16:16] <eagles0513875> it keeps failling for some reason :(
[16:53] <IdleOne> reporta bug on the debian installer. as per the cdimages.ubuntu.com page says
[17:08] <eagles0513875> IdleOne ok
[17:09] <eagles0513875> IdleOne do the cd images get rebuilt every night
[17:10] <dereks> hi guys, when do you anticipate the 64bit java applet making it to jaunty?
[17:15] <eagles0513875> IdleOne filed :)
[17:15] <eagles0513875> IdleOne this problem was fixed in intrepid but now seems to have resurfaced in jaunty alpha1
[17:27] <eagles0513875> omg michael is being a total bitch in the other channel
[17:28] <Pici> eagles0513875: Please don't.  This is still a support channel.
[17:29] <eagles0513875> Pici sry
[17:29] <eagles0513875> got my offtopic channel confused wiht this one
[17:46] <IdleOne> eagles0513875, regressions happen in alpha releases it will probably get fixed soon. Please remember that in ALL Ubuntu channels support and non the Ubuntu CoC must be followed
[17:47] <IdleOne> although some slight bending of rules are allowed in some channels but I would still suggest you follow the CoC just to make sure :)
[17:58] <eagles0513875> IdleOne :) thanks for the reminder
[18:00] <NoelJB> Just checking ... is it expected that we have around 40 packages kept back at the moment?  Yes, yes.  I could do a dist-upgrade, but then things that ought not be removed want to be.  Looks like X and update-manager-core.  Just a sanity check question.
[18:22] <mahfiaz> hi, do any of you suffer pulseaudio buffer underrun problems which trigger rewind and nasty jump in sound?
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to end of underrun.
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Requested to rewind 65536 bytes.
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Limited to 504 bytes.
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: before: 126
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: after: 126
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Rewound 504 bytes.
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: sink.c: Processing rewind...
[18:26] <mahfiaz> D: sink-input.c: Have to rewind 504 bytes on render memblockq.
[18:27] <eagles0513875> hi LjL
[18:53] <x1250> mahfiaz, do you hear "clicks" in sound?
[18:56] <mahfiaz> x1250, not only clicks, but some sound will be jumped over
[18:57] <mahfiaz> so songs play actually a little shorter
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: latency set to 23,22ms
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: hwbuf_unused_frames=15361
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: setting avail_min=15890
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Requesting rewind due to latency change.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Requested to rewind 65536 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Limited to 61748 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: before: 15437
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: after: 15437
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Rewound 61748 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: sink.c: Processing rewind...
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: sink-input.c: Have to rewind 61748 bytes on render memblockq.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to end of underrun.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Requested to rewind 65536 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Limited to 504 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: before: 126
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: after: 126
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: module-alsa-sink.c: Rewound 504 bytes.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: sink.c: Processing rewind...
[18:57] <mahfiaz> D: sink-input.c: Have to rewind 504 bytes on render memblockq.
[18:57] <mahfiaz> I: module-alsa-sink.c: Underrun!
[18:57] <mahfiaz> the pulseaudio claims this is because of latency change
[18:58] <x1250> mahfiaz, try to use paste.ubuntu.com to paste stuff.
[18:58] <mahfiaz> ok, there it will be easier to read
[18:59] <x1250> mahfiaz, you can disable pulseaudio if you want, in gnome-session add: pulseaudio -k
[18:59] <x1250> of test it in console first, see if your problems are gone with that
[18:59] <x1250> $ pulseaudio -k, will kill it.
[19:04] <calc> anyone know how to get facebook support in pidgin? aiui it supports it and the screenshot on pidgin.im shows it but i can't find how to enable it in 2.5.2
[19:05] <mahfiaz> calc, apt-cache search facebook
[19:06] <x1250> calc, you must create a new account, and select facebook
[19:06] <calc> x1250: i tried to i don't see the option
[19:06] <calc> x1250: already made one for myspaceim
[19:06] <calc> x1250: is it supposed to be called 'facebook'?
[19:07] <mahfiaz> x1250, can't say now, i probably would have to log off, I ran pulseaudio by hand
[19:07] <mahfiaz> calc, no run the command I gave, you will get:
[19:07] <mahfiaz> pidgin-facebookchat - Facebook Chat plugin for Pidgin
[19:07] <calc> mahfiaz: ah ok
[19:08] <x1250> calc, yes, the protocol is named Facebook, but you must install the plugin mahfiaz said
[19:08] <calc> x1250: ok
[19:10] <GodKilla-> hey all
[19:10] <GodKilla-> im having problems setting up the internet on a daily image installed 2 days ago
[19:11] <x1250> mahfiaz, pulseaudio -k will work instantly, but you must restart the program which was using pulseaudio for sound
[19:11] <GodKilla-> *kubuntu
[19:11] <x1250> like totem, or any other
[19:11] <GodKilla-> that knetwork manager doesnt have an use atl all
[19:11] <GodKilla-> and using ifconfig i can set it up so i can ping my own ip and my gateway
[19:11] <GodKilla-> but everything else returns "network is unreachable"
[19:13] <mahfiaz> GodKilla, if you want to do it the command line way, then after setting ip
[19:13] <mahfiaz> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:13] <mahfiaz> or whatever your router is
[19:14] <mahfiaz> and add nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf
[19:14] <GodKilla-> did the last one
[19:14] <GodKilla-> route add default returns "unknown host default" or something alike
[19:15] <x1250> mahfiaz, I had the some random clicks myself on audio, but disabling pulseaudio in gnome-session made all problems go away.
[19:16] <mahfiaz> GodKilla, this ip has to be in the same subnet as your own ip
[19:17] <GodKilla-> i dont have a router, i have ethernet card connected to my modem and thats all
[19:17] <GodKilla-> under windos dhcp works fine, under linux (whatever distro) it sometimes works, sometimes no
[19:17] <mahfiaz> GodKilla, actually I would use dhclient eth0 instead
[19:18] <GodKilla-> tried that "no OFFERS received"
[19:19] <mahfiaz> then this is router or NIC problem, I suppose
[19:20] <GodKilla-> im on that same machine now, only under win
[19:20] <GodKilla-> the inet works fine here
[19:23] <GodKilla-> another thing is, why doesnt it save any network configs i do?
[19:23] <GodKilla-> and, whats the use of manual ip config knetworkmanagers offers, it doesnt do any changes
[19:24] <mahfiaz> and why networkmanager messes up wep keys?
[19:24] <burner_> so is x in transition right now?  I noticed a dist-upgrade is going to remove nvidia-glx-177 so i've been holding off
[19:25] <GodKilla-> how to check which version of ubuntu ive installed?
[19:25] <GodKilla-> uname?
[19:26] <x1250> GodKilla-, $ lsb_release -a
[19:26] <GodKilla-> thanks
[19:27] <GodKilla-> alright ill try messing with the routing table :s
[19:27] <mahfiaz> burner, it seems like I have got nvidia-173-kernel-source pack instead
[19:27] <burner_> mahfiaz: does a dist-upgrade ask you to remove it?
[19:28] <mahfiaz> I have dist-upgraded already, cannot say, I had a little mess and was to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" after reboot, but not sure if it wasn't my fault
[19:29] <mahfiaz> just see if the nvidia*source package is in list of to be installed packages
[19:30]  * burner_ is tempted to try out nouveau
[19:30] <burner_> phoronix has a post about the X changes to 9.04 today
[19:31] <x1250> a full upgrade attempts to remove a lot of xorg drivers. I would run a $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:18] <x1250> mahfiaz, changing the inkscape package name is a good idea, thanks. I'll probably name it inkscape-svn for the next build.
[20:19] <mahfiaz> x1250, then you have to use some appropriate --prefix
[20:20] <mahfiaz> because packages cannot have conflicting files
[20:20] <mahfiaz> maybe use --prefix=/opt/inkscape-svn
[20:21] <x1250> uhm, yep, thanks for the tip :)
[21:22] <tretle> can anyone tell me whether package kit was discussed at uds?
[22:03] <ikonia> tretle: package kit ? got any more details ?
[22:03] <cbr> hi, the new xserver FTBFS @ buildd because libdrm-dev tries to overwrite something that's also in linux-libc-dev
[22:04] <cbr> in the i386 arch
[22:05] <tretle> well whether it will be included in jaunty or jaunty+1 as default..... its coming along really nicely, the codec manager for instancecommunicates directly with gstreamer so gstreamer enabled apps support it without having to add support per app
[22:06] <ikonia> cbr: what do you mean it trys to overwrite
[22:06] <tretle> firefox for instance told me that I didnt have the right codecs installed and asked me if I wanted to install gstreamer-extras, banshee also had support for codec installation through packagekit-gstreamer backend
[22:06] <ikonia> cbr: it should be pre-pacakged so shouldn't overwrite anything
[22:06] <ikonia> tretle: sounds interesting sounds like I need to have a look at it
[22:07] <cbr> ikonia: well, the log says that the buildd tries to install libdrm, which then tries to overwrite drm.h somewhere in /usr/include/drm
[22:07] <cbr> and that's not allowed
[22:07] <cbr> so installing the builddep fails
[22:07] <cbr> and the build fails
[22:08] <ikonia> cbr: so your trying to build this yourself ?
[22:08] <tretle> ikonia - the package that comes with intrepid is seriously out of date
[22:08] <cbr> no, i'm looking at a build log of palmer
[22:08] <cbr> the i386 buildd
[22:08] <ikonia> cbr: ah
[22:08] <ikonia> tretle: I've not looked at it so wouldn't know
[22:12] <cbr> so i'm a bit concerned about that
[22:12] <cbr> because it's supposed to fix a segfault bug :p
[22:13] <ikonia> maybe worth reporting the bug then
[22:13] <ikonia> better to catch it as early as possible
[22:14] <cbr> well, i would, i kind of only have links2 as a browser though :p
[22:22] <jacob> ikonia: two packages cannot 'own' the same file. the FTBFS problem here is that this is happening and the builders aren't letting it continue.
[22:22] <jacob> sorry, ignore that.
[22:22] <jacob> lost my scrollback. :P
[22:23] <ikonia> ;)


[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:47] <oskie> I'm setting up KVM in bionic, and I am not sure why I'd need bridge-utils. It depends on ifupdown which kind of conflicts with netplan
[11:13] <lordievader> If you want libvirt to setup bridged networking bridge-utils is needed.
[11:13] <lordievader> In the traditional sense, you want bridged networking.
[11:18] <xnox> oskie, you don't need bridge-utils, iproute2 can do everything.
[11:18] <xnox> lordievader, that's obsolete....
[11:18] <Greyztar_> how do i get ipset from fail2ban and iptables-persistent/netfilter-persistent to get along,been battling this for a long time and think ive found the culprit,it seems iptables/netfilter-persistent tries to load the rules but fail2ban or ipset havent create it yet and end up with seems like a default set
[11:19] <Greyztar_> on reboot*
[11:19] <lordievader> Really? Guess I'm old fashioned. I should look into that.
[11:19] <lordievader> Thanks xnox 😁
[11:20] <xnox> lordievader, please familiarize yourself with the new world order of https://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/ ;-)
[11:20] <xnox> https://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/#Create%20a%20bridge%20interface and so on
[11:20] <xnox> specifically
[11:21] <xnox> iproute2 is really a one-stop-shop these days, for everything.
[11:22] <lordievader> I know. I have been using it for a lot. Just wasn't aware it also did bridge stuff.
[11:30] <blackflow> Greyztar_: fail2ban is not persistent across reboot by default. You'll need to write a custom action handler that adds to the ipset AND to a file that will be used by ipset on boot.
[11:30] <blackflow> and then use the ipset in your iptables rules (loaded by netfilter-persistent)
[11:32] <Greyztar_> blackflow: thank you very much! I temporary unscuffed it by not using ipset as action for jail,then it works fine though,i saw same behaviour on other server with ipset sets not loading then netfilter-persistent would notload rules at all,im so happy finally figured this out ,really annoying when all rules gets purged
[11:33] <blackflow> Greyztar_: netfilter-persistent does nothing but exec /etc/iptables/rules.{v4,v6} on boot. so you need to write out rules that use the ipset  (-m set --match-set ...)
[11:35] <Greyztar_> blackflow: thank you,time to get stuff workin again!
[12:33] <victorh> Greyztar_: wouldn't the rule become permanent then or will it still delete the rule after the jail-time has passed
[12:51] <Greyztar_> victorh: sorry i was out having lunch,this i didnt think of thanks for pointing that out,for now im just happy that it doesnt flush iptables though but i will look into this
[13:06] <victorh> Greyztar_: Will be though I think, since fail2ban doesn't load old bans (far as i know)
[13:10] <Greyztar_> victorh: yes seems like i would have to come up with a new solution for this,really didnt think that fail2ban was the reason iptables got scuffed,have had these problem a really long time and only solution i came up with was to manually load the rules upon reboot,this did work somewhat ok as i almost never reboots with live patches,but this is computers should be auto everything (,")
[13:10] <oskie> what kind of device is "vlan5@bond0"? is it a bridge?
[13:11] <victorh> Greyztar_: did you check out these guys? http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/
[13:14] <Greyztar_> victorh: hmm might look at that also,though i have some custom filters to fail2ban for some spesific apps with api logins i kind of need but ill check it out thanks
[13:27] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, could you please import lmdb and add it to the whitelist?
[13:27] <ahasenack> it's a new dep debian added to ldb, we might have to mir it even
[14:14] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: dep3 question, author is optional, origin is only optional if author is present, so we need either one or the other, right?
[14:14] <ahasenack> Applied-Upstream doesn't replace either
[14:16] <muhaha> Ola Guys. Can anyone help me with Kickstart+CloudInit ? I want to provision Ubuntu like -kernel http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/vmlinuz -initrd http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/initrd.gz, but I am lost how to use cloud-init in this c
[14:16] <muhaha> ase
[14:18] <compdoc> who you calling an ase?!!
[14:20] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: yes
[14:21] <ahasenack> thx
[14:21] <microwaved_> hi all, just a quick question i've been struggling with the temporary failure in resolving security.ubuntu.com
[14:21] <cpaelzer> author+!origin - means coded for the package
[14:21] <cpaelzer> author+origin usually means modified from origin
[14:21] <cpaelzer> and just origin is a clear backport
[14:21] <cpaelzer> ahasenack: ^^
[14:21] <cpaelzer> that ok for you ?
[14:21] <microwaved_> i can't even ping google.com, i can ping ip addresses. i've tried multiple solutions but it doesn't work as i'm not able to call on apt-get update
[14:22] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: yep
[14:23] <compdoc> dns has to be working to use apt
[14:23] <microwaved_> i know but i edited resolv.conf to add nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:24] <microwaved_> doesnt work
[14:24] <microwaved_> its an ffin new install, and its annoying me how can an iso from ubunto.com be this broken
[14:26] <nacc> microwaved_: query them directly (use dig)
[14:26] <nacc> microwaved_: if that works, then try to fix your system DNS configuration. If that doesn't work, it's something else. ping isn't a useful test.
[14:26] <microwaved_> well ping <IP_ADDRESS> is succesfull
[14:27] <microwaved_> but its about dns so ping isn't usefull on that level
[14:27] <microwaved_> i just wanted to confirm that i have inet connection
[14:27] <microwaved_> ok hold on i'll do a dig
[14:29] <microwaved_> nacc: what checks do i need to have my dns configuration properly conf'd
[14:29] <microwaved_> i have the idea since netplan got introduced it messed with the dns thingy
[14:33] <microwaved_> but anyway my bright new install returns: Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[14:33] <microwaved_> and its on 18.04.1 lts alternative install which is basically the old install but both the new iso's do it
[14:35] <compdoc> netplan works here
[14:35] <cyphermox> if you edit resolv.conf then yes, you might confuse things
[14:36] <cyphermox> however, 'dig google.com' should work
[14:36] <cyphermox> (or nslookup)
[14:37] <microwaved_> dig didn't work
[14:37] <cyphermox> that's to at least check that you can really reach the nameservers and they respond to you
[14:37] <cyphermox> but ping worked?
[14:37] <microwaved_> yes sir
[14:37] <cyphermox> that smells like firewall
[14:37] <cyphermox> microwaved_: could you pastebin the entire result from dig?
[14:37] <microwaved_> i checked and its completely open
[14:37] <microwaved_> ehm sure
[14:37] <microwaved_> hold on
[14:40] <microwaved_> it only returns one sentence
[14:41] <microwaved_> cyphermox: it only returns: connection timed out: no servers could be reached
[14:41] <cyphermox> right, so it doesn't reach it at all
[14:41] <microwaved_> but ping <IP_ADDRESS> returns , success
[14:41] <cyphermox> sure
[14:42] <cyphermox> that doesn't mean the firewall really lets you DNS to it
[14:42] <cyphermox> I don't know that there really is anything else
[14:42] <cyphermox> just to be sure, you could try "dig google.com @<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:42] <microwaved_> ofcourse sir, hold on
[14:43] <cyphermox> you should see something like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jrDzQrc7Bc/
[14:43] <cyphermox> if it still times out, the best I can say is it's a firewall issue, since you can ping the routing would be ok
[14:44] <microwaved_> exactly but ill have a look again, thnx for your effort to check
[14:44] <cyphermox> if you're seeing the same output as I just pasted, then it's your configuration on the machine
[14:45] <cyphermox> on >=18.04 we use systemd-resolved; which handles /etc/resolv.conf; so you shouldn't modify it -- all you'll see in the file is "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[14:45] <cyphermox> then to debug this stuff you can run 'systemd-resolve --status' to see all the configs for each interface
[14:46] <cyphermox> (you'd see <IP_ADDRESS> under there for example, or the DNS server from your ISP)
[14:46] <microwaved_> yeah i see that
[14:50] <microwaved_> i think i'm gonna reinstall again, i just typed in the a command and i got a kernel panic
[14:50] <rbasak> ahasenack: lmdb imported and added to future whitelist
[14:51] <ahasenack> rbasak: thanks!
[14:52] <microwaved_> cyphermox: i just checked main firewall and firewall isn't an issue, i'm gonna reinstall image again and try then, thanks for your effort, check above
[14:52] <ahasenack> rbasak: just confirmed, in bionic, with squid3, I can redefine the "squid" log format
[14:53] <ahasenack> logformat  squid      %tl %6tr %>a %Ss/%03>Hs %<st %rm %ru %[un %Sh/%<a %mt
[14:53] <ahasenack> access_log daemon:/var/log/squid/access.log squid
[14:53] <ahasenack> leads to
[14:53] <ahasenack> 27/Nov/2018:14:52:32 +0000     15 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_MISS/304 263 GET http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-security/InRelease - HIER_DIRECT/<IP_ADDRESS> -
[15:02] <ahasenack> rbasak: I just filed https://bugs.squid-cache.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4905
[15:02] <cyphermox> microwaved_: tbh I have no idea what else it could be..
[15:06] <lordcirth> TJ-, good morning XD.  So, fresh reboot, vlan10: "Network File: /run/systemd/network/10-netplan-enp0s8.network".  Ran "brctl addif br10 vlan10": still the same
[15:06] <microwaved_> cyphermox: i just ran a reinstall again, and now it works, i don't even know whats different i even deleted the disk
[15:13] <rbasak> ahasenack: +1
[15:42] <grendal_prime> anyone familar with inotify?
[15:42] <grendal_prime> I have a sed script i need to run on my /var/www/html folder every time a file changes.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> I just want to run this script on the files that change, not the entire dir.
[15:44] <grendal_prime> So far inotify seems to be the tool (from what i have read) and i have used it in the past (very distant) but i cant remember how i scripted it.
[15:59] <vlt> grendal_prime: inotifywait is what I use.
[15:59] <grendal_prime> ya that sounds familar.
[16:01] <grendal_prime> Im looking at incrontab right now
[16:05] <grendal_prime> it seems like i had to do something to kick that off though.
[16:06] <grendal_prime> like i had to make a startup script.  I want to avoid that sort of thing.  My biggest issue is figureing out how to call the name of the file that has changed so i can feed that into the sed command.
[16:24] <grendal_prime> getting close, im just getting werid...return on the file.
[16:24] <grendal_prime> name that is
[16:33] <teward> +1 to the subiquity installer for letting me change the names of the LVM and resize it from the editing panel heh.  Just discovered this in 18.04.1 / 18.10 heh
[16:44] <grendal_prime> grrr...its not exectuting the sed command correctly
[16:44] <grendal_prime> im wondering if i need to encapsulate it quotes or something
[16:55] <grendal_prime> very frustrating
[16:56] <grendal_prime> syslog sys incron is executing the command but it is not performing the changes, if i run the exact same sed command manually it works
[16:57] <teward> has anything changed in update-grub that'd prevent `elevator=noop` from being applied in /etc/default/grub to the Grub system when I do `sudo update-grub`?  Because it's not working when I update `/etc/default/grub` and then do `sudo update-grub`
[16:57] <teward> 18.04.1
[17:01] <Greyztar_> so i did a test and edited netfilter-persistent service to be Type=idle instead of oneshot and now iptables has all rules and set for fail2ban even,so i think this was a matter of execution order and that netfilter-persistent was started before fail2ban had created ipset table so netfilter-persistent wouldnt find it and thus error and restoring default rule set
[17:14] <computa_mike> If I create a user SSH key, and add my key to the authorized_keys file then I understand that if I connect using that key I'm that user....  So I can connect using (for example ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and a whois reveals that I am octopustestadmin - which works out because that's the name of the user on the server.  I've also got a Jenkins process that connects - and if i get the script to issue a
[17:14] <computa_mike> whoami it reports that it is the user jenkins.  Which doesn't work because I'm using the same<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  Not sure I understand what's going on here.
[17:16] <computa_mike> hold up - irl colleague might have an idea ... possibly picnic issue
[17:31] <sdeziel> teward: could you elaborate on the "not working"? As in not showing in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, or in /proc/cmdline or being ignored by the kernel altogether?
[17:40] <teward> sdeziel: as in if I edit it in the grub defaults line of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT so that it says GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="maybe-ubiquity elevator=noop" in 18.04.1 server, it does maybe-ubiquity but ignores elevator=noop to set the I/O scheduler
[17:41] <teward> doesn't show that up at all in grub.cfg after an update-grub'
[17:41] <teward> it *does* if I set it in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX but ignore it if it's put after maybe-ubiquity in the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line
[17:41] <teward> or if i manually apply it in grub.cfg
[17:42] <teward> sounds like "odd behavior" since I shouldn't have to update anything but GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT no?
[17:44] <TJ-> teward: have you done "grep elavator /boot/grub/grub.cfg" to see where it is being applied, if at all?
[17:44] <teward> yes I have, and it's not being applied at all
[17:44] <sdeziel> teward: yeah, I normally only edit the _DEFAULT version
[17:45] <teward> sdeziel: then this sounds like regressive behavior
[17:45] <teward> because I only edit DEFAULT typically too
[17:45] <teward> sdeziel: I have *zero* idea where this behavior change got introduced though
[17:45] <sdeziel> teward: maybe you have something in /etc/default/grub.d/* that overwrites the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT var?
[17:45] <teward> sdeziel: on a base 18.04 installation I just did?
[17:45] <teward> fresh?
[17:46] <teward> i'd doubt it but i'll check
[17:47] <teward> ahhh there it is
[17:47] <teward> sdeziel: it's because curtin is a PITA
[17:47] <sdeziel> teward: I remember of a bug for this
[17:47] <teward> sdeziel: well it's present in 18.04.1
[17:47] <powersj> ah yes something we are trying to get fixed
[17:47] <grendal_prime> grrrr
[17:47] <teward> sdeziel: I assume if I make 99localized.cfg in /etc/default/grub.d then that'd be executed last and processed properly?
[17:48] <teward> (so a localized override settings)
[17:48] <sdeziel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1527664
[17:49] <sdeziel> teward: I haven't look at the update-grub script in a while but I'd expect is use run-parts, so probably yes :)
[17:49] <sdeziel> err, probably not run-parts for that part but more like alpha sorted dir listing+include...
[17:51] <teward> there THAT worked >.>
[17:51] <teward> sdeziel: powersj: TBH I think upstream should be prodded if possible to expedite the fix?
[17:51] <teward> because this is a PITA when you try and change the IO scheduler for VMware VM performance increases >.>
[17:55] <sdeziel> TBH, I really dislike how /etc/default/grub.d is handled. Every time the grub package is updated, it wants to fold everything right back into /etc/default/grub, which is precisely not what I want since I used the .d dir...
[18:03] <teward> heh
[18:11] <lordcirth> I want to disable netplan *but* use systemd-networkd, not ifupdown or /etc/network/interfaces.  What's the correct way to toggle this?
[18:11] <cyphermox> lordcirth: just remove any file in /etc/netplan
[18:11] <lordcirth> cyphermox, great, thanks
[18:13] <teward> cyphermox: am i correct that netplan config files are read in order, such that 50-cloud-init.yaml would be overwritten by 55-blah.yaml if they touched on the same interfaces?
[18:13] <cyphermox> yes, sounds about right
[18:17] <teward> 'tis what i assumed but was never certain, thanks for confirming cyphermox
[18:37] <teward> powersj: wow, I really had 3 nginx uploads to the development release since the last dev summary went out?  o.O
[18:37] <teward> shows you how frequently I pay attention to the number of dputs I issue :|
[18:38] <powersj> heh :)
[18:39] <teward> oh that reminds me 1.15.7 was pushed by me today, just released today as well
[18:39] <teward> mostly bugfixes ;)
[18:39] <teward> powersj: i haven't kept super on top of the triage, but let me know if we start seeing TLS1.3 bugs against nginx
[18:39] <teward> that's the biggest concern on my radar as of currently
[18:39] <teward> sec team (sarnold) is probably alos keeping an eye out
[18:40] <teward> (it's not LTS though, but it's still something to keep in mind since we now enable TLS1.3 since Cosmic post-release by default for nginx)
[22:16] <DammitJim> do you guys know why there isn't a tomcat 8.5 or 9 in the Ubuntu repositories?
[22:17] <DammitJim> for Ubuntu 18.04
[22:17] <DammitJim> I only see tomcat8 but that's end of life
[22:18] <sdeziel> DammitJim: upstream EOL doesn't mean it's EOL in Ubuntu
[22:18] <DammitJim> what does it mean?
[22:18] <sdeziel> DammitJim: for packages in main, Ubuntu/Canonical will backport security fixes for as long as the distro is supported
[22:18] <DammitJim> oh, but it has to be from main?
[22:19] <DammitJim> how do I know if I'm using packages from main?
[22:19] <sdeziel> DammitJim: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/tomcat8 says it's in universe (not main)
[22:19] <sdeziel> DammitJim: meaning it's supported by the community
[22:20] <DammitJim> oh ok, so either way, I'm not supported by Canonical, right?
[22:21] <sdeziel> DammitJim: not officially, no
[22:21] <DammitJim> ok, thanks
[22:22] <sdeziel> DammitJim: but it looks like someone wants to have tomcat8 supported as they ensured to have some updates land in bionic-security in the past
[22:23] <DammitJim> ok, thanks for the info
[22:23] <DammitJim> I'll have to have an internal discussion, then
[22:25] <sdeziel> np


[00:05] <torv> pjosh: Look into "gaming on linux" and "linux native" [1]. For non-native "WINE" [2] and "Proton" [3] are helpful runners. Managers like "Lutris" can help streamline setup.
[00:05] <torv> pjosh: Lists of games and compatibility: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_games, [2] https://appdb.winehq.org/, [3] https://www.protondb.com/
[00:06] <torv> pjosh: What's "good" likely is a subjective pick of yours but the given lists hopefully lend a hand finding one.
[02:17] <stuv> hey folks, i try to change they keyboard settings from my terminal with no luck, i edit the file .config/xfce4/termain/accuml.. but nothing changes
[02:18] <stuv> they allways switch back to normal after quiting xfce4-terminal, i also tried xterm but with the same result
[02:19] <stuv> wait i test something
[02:22] <stuv> i tried it now with xterm
[02:23] <stuv> but after every change of the file accels.scm the file is back in it's original stage
[02:23] <stuv> also if no xfce4-terminal is open
[02:25] <stuv> so how on heal do i change this file without it getting back to default stage ????
[07:37] <yo> hello9
[07:37] <yo> whats up niggas
[07:38] <yo> broooo where tf are te people
[07:38] <yo> ok im so sorry about mi form of talking
[07:39] <yo> bye my bbs
[11:21] <razif> huh?
[11:26] <gyphage> Bonour
[11:26] <gyphage> +j
[11:26] <gyphage> Une petite question pratique.
[11:26] <gyphage> Un collegue part quelques jours en egypte. Il aimerai pouvoir continuer de travailler en ligne avec son reseau français.
[11:26] <gyphage> Mais l'internet egyptien etant controlé par l'etat. What's app ne fonctionera pas la bas.
[11:27] <gyphage> auriez vous une idée? les reseaux ad-hoc du printemps sont ils toujous d'actualités?
[11:28] <diogenes_Vx15> !fr | gyphage
[12:03] <gyphage> Oh sorry, i made always same error
[12:03] <gyphage> forgot to join
[14:09] <PeGaSuS> currently trying to upgrade to Xubuntu 24.04 on my HP Pavilion M6 (2012, iirc)
[14:10] <PeGaSuS> I'll report back possible failure/success/errors :D
[15:00] <PeGaSuS> all seems to work normally
[19:35] <detlef> diogenes_Vx15,  diogenes_ Thanks for your hint about using xanmod, but my system still does not fully comes back after going to sleep
[19:36] <diogenes_Vx15> detlef, run: inxi -Fxxc0 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:36] <diogenes_Vx15> share the output.
[19:38] <detlef> diogenes_, diogenes_Vx15  What i found out so far: When using busybox-static in /run/user/1000 on VT1 before goint to sleep, that VT is alive after wakeup.
[19:39] <detlef> https://termbin.com/nyqw
[19:41] <detlef> inxi with sudo: https://termbin.com/o5wx
[19:47] <diogenes_Vx15> detlef, try this and see if this wakes it up from suspend: sudo modprobe amdgpu
[19:47] <detlef> VT1 works for a short time, until systemd-journald floods the console or any a busybox builtin generates a failure (Bus Error).
[19:49] <detlef> even a "ls -al /" inside ash from busybox-static fails with "Bus Error" (or a "mount" or a "df -h"...)
[19:51] <detlef> what i saw from /pros/mounts: my root partition is mounted "ro"
[19:52] <detlef> diogenes_Vx15, i try the modprobe and report shortly..
[20:33] <detlef> diogenes_Vx15, The system reports "Bus Error", and then the VT is dead (reports "Bus Error" for every following command)
[20:35] <diogenes_> detlef: I'll be busy today, come back tomorrow, or maybe someone else could assist you today.
[20:36] <detlef> Thanks diogenes_ so far. Will stay online.


[10:03] <willvdl> Hola compadres!
[10:03] <ogra-classmate> heya
[10:03] <willvdl> pips1!
[10:03] <pips1> hi
[10:03] <LaserJock> hola
[10:03] <juliux> hi all
[10:03] <pips1> hey juliux
[10:04] <willvdl> Let's kick it off. Nice and quick?
[10:04] <pips1> who will drive this meeting?
[10:04] <willvdl> T-T-T-TECH
[10:05] <ogra-classmate> not much from my side, most work i did the last week was classmate related
[10:05] <LaserJock> tech is hhhawt
[10:05] <ogra-classmate> the basic squashfs image is done and runs nice
[10:05] <willvdl> vagrantc, alright
[10:05] <LaserJock> is that going to be made available somewhere at some point?
[10:06] <pips1> ogra-classmate: how about the wireless interface on the classmate?
[10:06] <ogra-classmate> it will still need some tweakage and i need to package the classmate-initramfs changes as well as classmate-artwork and -settings stuff
[10:06] <ogra-classmate> we got a new driver today, i think BenC is on it
[10:06] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, how do things look with their "custom" software for teacher student management?
[10:06] <pips1> vagrantc: you here? or is that just your screen session? ;-)
[10:07] <ogra-classmate> the squashfs setup i have currently leaves about 1gig freespace for the user data
[10:07] <LaserJock> this is on a 2GB drive?
[10:07] <ogra-classmate> and about 300 for additional software you can install
[10:07] <ogra-classmate> yes, thats the 2gig fklashdrive
[10:07] <vagrantc> pips1: oh, i'm here alright
[10:08] <pips1> :-)
[10:08] <LaserJock> hi vagrantc
[10:08] <ogra-classmate> the image runs at a reasonable speed and should be good for an initial edubuntu-classmate 1.0 version
[10:09] <ogra-classmate> indeed all will be better if i can work from ground up on a classmate os (i.e. gutsy)
[10:09] <LaserJock> so are you working on a seperate os?
[10:10] <ogra-classmate> well, its based on edubuntu, but needs some tweaks for the classmate
[10:10] <LaserJock> so a respun Edubuntu squashfs image?
[10:10] <pips1> ogra-classmate: wow, is that commissioned work?!
[10:10] <ogra-classmate> taking such tweaks and low memory usahge into account from trhe beginning of a release cycle will gain better results
[10:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:11] <ogra-classmate> right, its a classmate-ified edubuntu live
[10:11] <ogra-classmate> anyway, enough classmate for now
[10:11] <willvdl> classmate-ified edubuntu live (TM)
[10:11] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I put in a request to Justin to get one as I'd like to also help with some of the images
[10:11] <ogra-classmate> as you all can see i committing less time to ltsp
[10:11] <ogra-classmate> that has a reason ....
[10:12] <ogra-classmate> we will soon have a new employee taking care of most of the ltsp world ... i will still work on it but he will do the major stuff i guess :)
[10:12] <ogra-classmate> so people, meet vagrantc (if you havent already)
[10:12] <willvdl> when's it official?
[10:13] <LaserJock> oh, wow
[10:13] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: if paper was signed
[10:13] <willvdl> vagrantc, and dirty bathwater?
[10:13] <ogra-classmate> but there is a mouth-agreement on both sides
[10:13] <willvdl> sweet
[10:13] <ogra-classmate> so meet vagrantc inofficially :P
[10:14] <willvdl> vagrantc, ++
[10:14] <ogra-classmate> vagrantc, took over the awful work of merging the ltsp branches
[10:14] <ogra-classmate> that deserves a huge applause
[10:14] <LaserJock> welcome vagrantc
[10:15] <vagrantc> thanks folks :)
[10:16] <ogra-classmate> beyond that i wouldnt knoew any actual tech news ....
[10:16] <ogra-classmate> hmm
[10:16] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock started some bugsquashing and merges :)
[10:16] <LaserJock> oh, the roadmap
[10:16] <willvdl> yeah
[10:17] <LaserJock> can you throw out the URL willvdl
[10:17] <LaserJock> I don't have it one me
[10:17] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap
[10:17] <willvdl> central place for planning (current) tech, infrastructure, community, doc work
[10:18] <LaserJock> so I just wanted a place were people and devs could see what's going on for the current release
[10:18] <willvdl> will be "running" commentary, i.e. not tagged per release etc.
[10:18] <willvdl> I'm going to work on it intensively after my conference
[10:18] <ogra-classmate> note that the specs neeed to get approval first
[10:19] <ogra-classmate> il need to got through them with RichEd during this week
[10:19] <yuriy> should wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuKDE be added to the roadmap?
[10:19] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, yeah, there's some other specs that I want to look at merging etc. as well
[10:19] <yuriy> (hello)
[10:19] <ogra-classmate> yuriy: as i understood riddel he wanted to make that metapackage
[10:20] <ogra-classmate> in the kubuntu seeds
[10:20] <willvdl> yuriy, I saw Riddell was active on it over past few days
[10:20] <ogra-classmate> Riddell: around ?
[10:21] <ogra-classmate> hmm, the spec doesnt define clearly where the work is done
[10:21] <ogra-classmate> it only says an edubuntu-kde seed will be created
[10:22] <yuriy> where meaning by whom?
[10:23] <ogra-classmate> can we have a 'related projects' section ? and add it there for now
[10:23] <ogra-classmate> yuriy: yep
[10:24] <yuriy> ogra-classmate: afaiu it's in looking for volunteers status
[10:24] <ogra-classmate> nobody in the edubuntu team has much clue about kde apps .... it would be favourable if Riddell could maintain the basic seed
[10:24] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, sure. LP does track it but a mention on the wiki rpoadmap is good too
[10:24] <yuriy> i wanted to work on the thin-client-manager, so i've been waiting for silentk to come on.  i guess i'll email him.
[10:25] <nixternal> hello!
[10:25] <ogra-classmate> i'm fine with having it in the edubuntu seed branch, but it should be maitained by some kde knowledgeable person
[10:25] <nixternal> finally, a meeting I can attend
[10:25] <nixternal> ogra-classmate: I have some experience with KDE apps...seeing as I use nothing but KDE
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah, nixternal would be good to get in on this
[10:26] <ogra-classmate> i'm also fine with anyone suggested by Riddell, but i want it run through him so kubuntu keeps the control here
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:26] <nixternal> I am helping Debian as well with KDE apps now as a part of the KDE-Extras team
[10:27] <LaserJock> anyway
[10:27] <ogra-classmate> right
[10:27] <ogra-classmate> please add it under related projects
[10:27] <LaserJock> we should put that spec in a "Related Projects" category and let Riddell, yuriy, nixternal take care of it ;-)
[10:27] <ogra-classmate> so we have it on the radar
[10:27] <ogra-classmate> right
[10:28] <willvdl> shall we move to DOCS?
[10:28] <ogra-classmate> so any tech related questions ?
[10:28] <LaserJock> well, I made some progess with edubuntu-addon-enhancements
[10:28] <willvdl> sorry LaserJock
[10:28] <ogra-classmate> cool
[10:28] <LaserJock> I'll have the spec done today
[10:28] <ogra-classmate> wow, nice
[10:29] <LaserJock> well, not the spec all the way implemented
[10:29] <LaserJock> but drafted, ready for review/approval
[10:29] <LaserJock> but I wanted to test stuff out first
[10:29] <willvdl> cool
[10:29] <ogra-classmate> good
[10:29] <LaserJock> and I was able to make the sidebar do whatever I like
[10:29] <LaserJock> in gnome-app-install
[10:29] <ogra-classmate> cool
[10:30] <LaserJock> so I can create a new menu just for the addon cd
[10:30] <ogra-classmate> mvo writes good software ;)
[10:30] <LaserJock> and as long as we do the .desktops right it'll be easy
[10:30] <ogra-classmate> ?me hugs mvo
[10:30] <ogra-classmate> heh
[10:31] <LaserJock> the other part of the spec is just making meta-packages to pull in the young, primary, secondary apps/themes
[10:31] <LaserJock> I have a variety of meta-packages I'd like to make for Main and Universe
[10:31] <ogra-classmate> well, our artwork package supports preseeding for the theme selection
[10:32] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, meaning it becomes easier for derivitives?
[10:32] <ogra-classmate> (at least it did in dapper, i didnt test it since ... urgh)
[10:33] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: meaning i have a variable i can set to default,young or plain
[10:33] <willvdl> on install?
[10:33] <ogra-classmate> which then makes the package use the rrespective default theme
[10:33] <ogra-classmate> on install or through dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork
[10:33] <willvdl> gotcha, thanks
[10:34] <LaserJock> ideally I'd like to be able to pop in the addon cd
[10:34] <ogra-classmate> i'm not sure something like preseeding is possible via .dewsktop files though
[10:34] <LaserJock> and select Edubuntu Young in g-a-i
[10:34] <willvdl> nice
[10:34] <LaserJock> and it'd install the edubuntu-addon-young package
[10:35] <LaserJock> and perhaps the postinst could set the theme to young
[10:35] <ogra-classmate> but if it would, you would just have to install the package three times with three different preseed values and different icons for the .desktop
[10:35] <LaserJock> is that plausible ogra-classmate ?
[10:35] <ogra-classmate> indeed it is
[10:35] <ogra-classmate> but note that you can only set the system default
[10:36] <LaserJock> that's fine I think
[10:36] <ogra-classmate> users that have change d the theme manually wont see the change
[10:36] <LaserJock> I don't want to go mucking around with user's stuff
[10:36] <ogra-classmate> yeah, its fine, i just wanted to point that fact out
[10:36] <LaserJock> I just want to make it so that if you're setting up an Edubuntu machine from scratch it's easy to set the system default theme
[10:37] <LaserJock> as you are getting the appropriate apps installed too
[10:37] <willvdl> besides, kids don't grow _that_ quickly
[10:37] <LaserJock> ok, I think I'm done there except for one question
[10:37] <ogra-classmate> yep
[10:37] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: well, not to fast for an ubuntu non-LTS lifecycle
[10:38] <LaserJock> should/could we do a metapackage/task to install the set of apps that was on edgy/dapper?
[10:38] <ogra-classmate> yes we should
[10:38] <LaserJock> I've seen a number of people in #edubuntu go "Where's the apps that were on Edubunt in {Dapper,Edgy}?"
[10:38] <willvdl> LaserJock, aren't they all in AddOn?
[10:38] <LaserJock> yes, but you can't just install something that puts them back the way they were
[10:38] <ogra-classmate> i want to talk with cjwatson about the livecd situation first and see if that will need any changes or new seeds first
[10:39] <LaserJock> is a meta-package a bad idea here
[10:39] <ogra-classmate> after that i'll be able to make a judgement about how we'll do it
[10:39] <LaserJock> I'm quickly seeing where we could end up with a lot of metapackages :/
[10:39] <willvdl> maybe with one meta-package to Rule Them All
[10:40] <ogra-classmate> i dont think its a bad idea but we'll probably have to introduce one anyway
[10:40] <LaserJock> I'll have to make a wiki page with a list of  metapackages I'd like to introduce
[10:40] <willvdl> g-a-i -> Install Everything
[10:40] <ogra-classmate> so i'd like to have the time to check the livecd thing first
[10:40] <LaserJock> so we can debate them
[10:40] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: ok, yeah, that makes sense
[10:41] <willvdl> LaserJock, thinking we could even (in future) track meta-packages in the AppReviewEngine
[10:41] <LaserJock> willvdl: of course ;-)
[10:41] <willvdl> hmmm, might be difficult with dependencies that aren't traditional apps
[10:42] <willvdl> shall we move one?
[10:42] <LaserJock> yep
[10:42] <willvdl> DOCS
[10:42] <ogra-classmate> i'm fine
[10:43] <willvdl> I've come across a fair amount of documentation lately
[10:43] <willvdl> that I need to read still and sift through
[10:43] <willvdl> been swamped with other pressing tasks though, however...
[10:44] <willvdl> we decided in UDS to set up a wiki space for edubuntu doc collaborations again and I have some ideas
[10:45] <willvdl> anyone got suggestions on how to tap valuable information that is getting answered on the ML?
[10:45] <nixternal> willvdl: I use strigi and search for anything ending with \?
[10:46] <nixternal> I typically scour the *-users lists and grab all of the questions, break them down in a file...and put the most common answers in there
[10:46] <willvdl> into the help.u.c/userdocs?
[10:47] <nixternal> well I have only been compiling them locally here
[10:47] <willvdl> cool. was toying with the idea of an FAQ...but...
[10:47] <nixternal> would be nice if we could setup some type of form for people to ask questions that would format the email automagically with QUESTION:
[10:48] <nixternal> well, an FAQ is great to create in order to build your documentation or the content you plan on inserting into your documentation
[10:48] <willvdl> well, often one has to delve into the situation to find the solution
[10:48] <willvdl> nixternal, mind you, Launchpad has that...answers.lp.net?
[10:48] <nixternal> willvdl: hopefully that will be taken care of with the topic based help
[10:48] <nixternal> yes, answers as well
[10:49] <nixternal> but I have found a majority of the questions on answers are either not doc worthy, or have been covered a hundred or so times elsewhere
[10:49] <willvdl> well, TBH would kinda do it, but not at first.
[10:49] <willvdl> or are actually bug fixes :)
[10:49] <nixternal> lol, ya
[10:50] <willvdl> well, what do you think of an FAQ style wiki space? that can be tapped for info
[10:50] <nixternal> I have a year and a half worth of *-users..which is nice
[10:50] <nixternal> I thought there was an FAQ somewhere already
[10:50] <willvdl> on the www but not maintained. focus moved to Handbook
[10:51] <nixternal> TBH would curb the FAQ feeling as well, as you can list on your main page (Yelp for Edubuntu) a rotating session of FAQs if needbe as well...rotating would take some hacking of course
[10:51] <willvdl> I'm thinking of FAQ style on help.u.com/community just to capture info
[10:51] <willvdl> TBH is always going to take some serious thought and planning
[10:51] <nixternal> take it to the forums...I think moer people tap the forums for info than they do the wikis
[10:52] <nixternal> also, a lot of our users don't edit the wiki, or don't know how to edit the wiki. or don't even have an LP account
[10:52] <willvdl> hmmm, true but if it's in the wiki then it's easier to compile into TBH
[10:52] <willvdl> is also easier for guys on the ML to point to answers
[10:53] <nixternal> doesn't matter where it is really, as to put it into system docs, we would have to manually code the xml anyways...moin2docbook doesn't work...nothing wiki2docbook really works
[10:53] <willvdl> yeah, still need to write up chats at UDS but we came to that conclusion
[10:53] <pips1> I think drupal does docbook export, but I haven't tested it
[10:53] <nixternal> it isn't pretty
[10:54] <nixternal> truthfully, it is easier to take plain text and manually add the tags...plus everyone who uses DocBook/XML does so with various standards
[10:55] <nixternal> the *2docbook typically use generic <book> and <chapter> tags, when we don't use that with topic based help
[10:55] <willvdl> which is why we thought wiki and then a manual scrape of info into xml at set times
[10:55] <LaserJock> the moint2docbook stuff I've done seemed to work ok
[10:55] <nixternal> also, they seem to use <section> instead of <sec*> where * = 1-5
[10:55] <LaserJock> I had to do some cleanup but it wasn't bad
[10:55] <nixternal> which one did you use?
[10:55] <willvdl> given that we don't have that much contrib compared to ubuntu
[10:56] <LaserJock> nixternal: the one that comes with the newer versions of moin
[10:56] <nixternal> plus we don't have moin2docbook, and the current wait to get anything implemented into our wiki is....well you would ahve a better chance of bill gates demolishing MS and becoming a FSF member
[10:56] <LaserJock> bah, it's not *that* bad
[10:56] <LaserJock> I just set up a local desktop moin
[10:56] <LaserJock> grabed what was on wiki.u.c
[10:56] <nixternal> LaserJock: I remember tryin to use for the TBH stuff...to the point the moinmoin people told me to take it elsewhere ;)
[10:56] <LaserJock> and did an export
[10:57] <nixternal> orly
[10:57] <nixternal> I haven't messed with desktop moin in a while...I am guessng it is time...seeing as I have been working on a tomboy port to qt4
[10:57] <LaserJock> anyway, that's probably beyond this meeting
[10:57] <nixternal> well then..it may not be a bad idea
[10:57] <willvdl> well, just watching the time.. we can keep this alive on ML but just wanted to point out that we are hoping to keep handbook in XML with wiki contribs (possibly in FAQ style) and want to generate user stories of typical edubuntu configurations
[10:58] <nixternal> willvdl: we can fancy up someting I am sure
[10:58] <nixternal> OK, I am ready to give my intro to become a member
[10:58] <nixternal> ;)
[10:58] <willvdl> :)
[10:59] <willvdl> anyway, I'll post some info somewhere. probably on new roadmap pages or docteam pages
[11:00] <nixternal> OK willvdl, if you need any help let me know
[11:00] <nixternal> in between losing hair trying to do dev stuff, I need to do some documentation..it is the only thing that keeps me sane
[11:00] <willvdl> nixternal, we'll need some help with TBH. Not too sure how to write Edubuntu specific topics on top of ubuntu
[11:00] <willvdl> line is not always that clear
[11:01] <nixternal> ya, I am sure we can make LaserJock do it :)
[11:01] <willvdl> awesome
[11:01] <nixternal> yes
[11:01] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, I thought hairy palms was insane
[11:01] <ogra-classmate> heh
[11:01] <nixternal> ahhahaa
[11:01] <nixternal> hairy palms is far from insane..just another word for "busy"
[11:02] <willvdl> Quick word on websites... newz2000 will be helping with the new drupal template (saw the mail from highvoltage)
[11:03] <willvdl> pips1, any thoughts?
[11:03] <pips1> oops, sorry, I was distracted
[11:03] <nixternal> let him know if he needs drupal help to give me a call...although i think he already knows I am avail to help him
[11:05] <pips1> willvdl: I also saw highvoltage's email
[11:05] <willvdl> yeah, they hope to have something up by next week
[11:05] <pips1> seems like he's happy to do the theme tweaking for edubuntu.org...
[11:05] <willvdl> which will be great!
[11:06] <pips1> yep
[11:06] <willvdl> Artwork folks! some nice banners for the website? MAybe revolving pics like one of the locos...
[11:06] <willvdl> it's going ot be great
[11:06] <pips1> now, about the community site: I need some meaty content from the summit!
[11:06] <willvdl> nixternal, you did the chi.ubuntu loco page?
[11:07] <nixternal> yes
[11:07] <willvdl> nice example of maintaining consistency
[11:07] <willvdl> inspired us to do same (and kubuntu I think)
[11:08] <pips1> willvdl: what do you think: I would like to get the people who attended the education summit, to be our contributers to the beta site...
[11:08] <pips1> david has already posted a second blog post, but we need more participants !
[11:08] <nixternal> that theme was a bare to recreate though to mimic
[11:08] <pips1> I'm also glad that the ICT school coordinator has joined...
[11:08] <willvdl> pips1, I think we need to actually put some info up somewhere to tell people what it is...
[11:09] <willvdl> pips1, maybe use some nice blogrolls from similar sites?
[11:09] <pips1> willvdl: well, let's get some quality content on the site, and *then* announce the site somewhere
[11:09] <willvdl> perhaps an aggregater would fill info in in no time
[11:10] <pips1> willvdl: do you know if RichEd has received slides from the talks? that would be greast content to have...
[11:10] <LaserJock> pips1: I think you just  need to advertise and clearly explain the purpose and what you want
[11:10] <willvdl> would still be good to have a planning page so that people know what to contrib
[11:10] <LaserJock> I have an account on there (I think) but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with it
[11:10] <pips1> LaserJock: i see
[11:11] <pips1> ok, I'll do a "what to contribute" page
[11:11] <willvdl> shweet
[11:11] <willvdl> folks are a bit confused between the beta site and the www.e.org site
[11:12] <pips1> since I'm travelling so much, I didn't even have time to upload my own images of the presentations, and I wanted to write some summaries of the presentations, about the spanish derivitives, about classmate, etc.
[11:12] <willvdl> same here
[11:12] <pips1> yeah
[11:13] <willvdl> while we're on the subject: the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuApplicationReview spec is coming along
[11:13] <willvdl> anyone got thoughts on "how" we shoud do it?
[11:13] <willvdl> i.e. drupal module vs. mysql with python cgi
[11:14] <LaserJock> well, now that ogra-classmate free ... ;-)
[11:14] <LaserJock> *is free
[11:14] <pips1> think about it this way: everything that would go onto 'ubuntu.com' should go on 'edubuntu.com', everything that is community-driven (i.e. discussions / q&a ) should go on the new beta site...
[11:15] <willvdl> pips1, saw that mail from Jim Hutchinson...perhaps OSS lesson plans etc could go there?
[11:15] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: i am ?
[11:15] <LaserJock> pips1: hmm, I'm a little unclear on that
[11:15] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: hehe
[11:15] <ogra-classmate> :)
[11:16] <ogra-classmate> the spec looks really good to me
[11:16] <willvdl> edubuntu.org stuff *is* our community
[11:16] <pips1> so the beta site could be an easily accessible site for educators, integrating everything education-relevant that in the "normal" ubuntu universe is spread out over "planet.u.c", ubuntuforums, etc.
[11:16] <LaserJock> pips1: it would seem to me that edubuntu.org would have everything that is edubuntu-specific and the beta site would be for stuff that's more education-specific
[11:16] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, I got tied up in the details, ask LaserJock :) but I jsut need to plan a timed release scope
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: i think our server admins would be happier to only main tain one DB
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> that would be postgresql
[11:17] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, drupal uses mysql already
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> oh,ok
[11:17] <willvdl> or postgresql, don't care
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> ignore me then :)
[11:17] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, it is a very valid concern...
[11:18] <pips1> LaserJock: yes, well spotted.
[11:18] <willvdl> you're right that we need to choose a DB that can easily be moved if need be
[11:18] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: only for the person writing the app :)
[11:19] <pips1> Laserjock: but the idea is that the beta site will be a "brainstorming" pool for anything related to education, open source and open content... and anything that crops up that is highly relevant / specific to edubuntu, we (manually) copy over to edubuntu.org. Makes sense?
[11:19] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, will chat quick afterwards about it if OK
[11:19] <ogra-classmate> sure
[11:21] <willvdl> pips1, as long as edubuntu and edubuntu education stuff is clearly in our space, we don't want to dilute our community
[11:21] <pips1> LaserJock: think of it as edubuntu.org = consolidated information. beta = very dynamic information...?
[11:22] <LaserJock> pips1: but what happens to dynamic information that is edubuntu-specific?
[11:22] <LaserJock> is it expected to be on the beta site?
[11:22] <pips1> well, yes, at least now, that we want to get the dynamic beta site going!
[11:23] <LaserJock> so people will have to go to 2 different site to get info on Edubuntu?
[11:23] <willvdl> like app selection? I know Richard wants it on the "beta" site and can see the logic, but I'm not sure if we can logically do it
[11:23] <pips1> willvdl: noted
[11:23] <willvdl> sorry, don't want to sound like a rant :) just think we should make the whole philosophy very clear somewhere
[11:24] <LaserJock> edubuntu.org vs ubuntueducation.com doesn't really indicate that there is a difference in consolidation, only difference in topic
[11:24] <pips1> LaserJock: well, yes, we will reference both sites from each other...
[11:24] <LaserJock> hehe, good luck with that ;-)
[11:25] <pips1> LaserJock: expand
[11:25] <LaserJock> you're doing twice as much work
[11:25] <LaserJock> it will soon become outdated
[11:25] <LaserJock> unless you really keep track of it
[11:25] <LaserJock> which we don't exactly have a great track-record of as a community (*buntu in general)
[11:27] <pips1> LaserJock: well, I intend to focus on the community (site)... the "product" (site) needs some cleaning up (theme + content tagged for "dapper" and "latest"), but it won't be the focus of the activity...
[11:27] <willvdl> oh, pips1: I'm going to www.elearning-africa.com next week and will be sure to collect as much info/links as possible
[11:28] <LaserJock> pips1: but Edubuntu isn't just a product, you have to remember that
[11:28] <pips1> LaserJock: noted
[11:28] <pips1> keep reminding me though :-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> of course ;-)
[11:29] <pips1> so, to wrap things up for now.
[11:29] <LaserJock> just let us know what the plans for the beta site are and what you want us to do with it
[11:29] <pips1> highvoltage: will modify matt's theme for edubuntu.org
[11:29] <willvdl> sweet
[11:30] <pips1> I will blog about the education summit on the beta site
[11:31] <pips1> plus add that podcast from the school visit...
[11:31] <ogra-classmate> what about all the podcasts and the movies highvoltage made ?
[11:31] <willvdl> pips1, let's consider something with blogrolls/aggregators... could work out well
[11:31] <ogra-classmate> ah :)
[11:31] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, we should post on ubuntu-videos
[11:31] <pips1> sure, I'm up for aggregating blog
[11:31] <ogra-classmate> ah, right
[11:31] <willvdl> paul sladen is still editing the UDS vids
[11:32] <ogra-classmate> damned and i missed my interview with him
[11:32] <willvdl> we can do it online. we have the internet :)
[11:32] <pips1> paul sladen is in austria and did a surprise visit in switzerland last monday :-)
[11:33] <pips1> he crashed a my place before catching the first train from zurich yesterday morning.
[11:33] <willvdl> Oh, and from a community/web/tech angle: I've got a cunning plan for Byte-Sized Tasks
[11:33] <willvdl> pips1, he' s an interesting dude
[11:33] <pips1> heh
[11:33] <LaserJock> oh? do tell
[11:33] <pips1> yep
[11:33] <LaserJock> about bite-size
[11:33] <LaserJock> I know about sladen ;-)
[11:34] <ogra-classmate> heh
[11:34] <willvdl> LaserJock, got some ideas on categorising them and a nested submission queue which *should* work on a wiki
[11:34] <willvdl> maybe a byte-sized-task-engine for gutsy(+)
[11:35] <willvdl> :)
[11:35] <willvdl> but I have no time next week, so I hope to have a cunning plan described by Friday
[11:36] <pips1> willvdl: question: do you know if matt's drupal theme works for drupal 5.1? or is it a 4.7 theme?
[11:36] <willvdl> I'm not sure. nixternal? ^^^
[11:36] <willvdl> I think 4.7 but might not be a "train-smash" to port
[11:36] <nixternal> 5.1
[11:37] <willvdl> ah
[11:37] <nixternal> i.e. => http://chi.ubuntu-us.org
[11:38] <pips1> I don't mind that highvoltage is doing the theme modification - highvoltage is really good that that - but I would really like to scratch the drupal 4.7 install that is currently running edubuntu.org, and do a clean and proper re-install of drupal 5.1... there isn't much content to migrate, but we would benefit from a proper install...
[11:38] <willvdl> somebody made a Matt Nuzum theme site with revolving pics... looked good
[11:38] <willvdl> pips1 ++
[11:38] <nixternal> I am working on a revolving pics header now
[11:38] <willvdl> we need an overhaul
[11:38] <ogra-classmate> nixternal: nice !
[11:38] <nixternal> thanks
[11:39] <LaserJock> drupal 5.1 is really nice
[11:39] <willvdl> folks, there is a UDS spec out somewhere for this consistent theme idea...
[11:39] <nixternal> definitely much cleaner code I will admit
[11:39] <pips1> willvdl: yes, we really do. there is no https: set up, which is unsafe. also, I think the mail sending never worked, etc, etc.
[11:39] <willvdl> bummed if I can find it
[11:39] <nixternal> they can enable the mail sending on the server...I had to get it done on the chi.ubuntu one
[11:39] <pips1> to cut it short: we need a fresh install, either matt doing it, or me doing it and documenting it cleanly for matt!
[11:39] <willvdl> pips1, was thinking more in terms of info and links
[11:40] <pips1> willvdl: well, we can clean up the content in the process, but the install is a bit botched if you ask me
[11:40] <willvdl> is it possible to do in bzr? under the edubuntu-website team or some project? that way we can track using usability bugs like they do with ubuntu.com
[11:41] <nixternal> yup..at least we do it with kubuntu-website
[11:41] <LaserJock> how do you mean bzr?
[11:41] <pips1> sure, that would be even better (but then I'd need to dive into using bzr, phew) ;-)
[11:41] <nixternal> just store it though, make the edits there, and then upload as needed to the website server
[11:41] <nixternal> or possibly setup a cron job on the webserver to pull from the bzr dir
[11:41] <pips1> nixternal: noted
[11:42] <willvdl> doesn't have to be bzr but at least hosted off a LP product with a team to catch bug assignments
[11:42] <pips1> nixternal: are talking about the theme only?
[11:42] <nixternal> pips1: you would have to..because sites/ wouldn't be good on bzr
[11:42] <willvdl> pips1, whole site
[11:42] <willvdl> oh
[11:42] <willvdl> :)
[11:43] <nixternal> yes, sites/* holds the usernames, passwords, and db names
[11:43] <nixternal> db username and password that is
[11:43] <willvdl> imagine the app-review-engine stored in postgresql... synced to bzr
[11:43] <pips1> nixternal: we could do sites/ if we use a separate directory path for the content files...
[11:43] <nixternal> although, you could still put the entire site up there, and only sync (using cron if possible) the themes or other subdirectories that you would change
[11:44] <pips1> ^^ could do sites/ in bzr
[11:44] <nixternal> true
[11:44] <willvdl> and encrypted sensitive stuff?
[11:44] <pips1> willvdl: huh?
[11:44] <nixternal> sites/ is the only thing that contains sensative stuff
[11:45] <willvdl> encrypt rather
[11:45] <willvdl> just a thought
[11:45] <LaserJock> ok, sounds like were' getting inot implementation details again
[11:45] <pips1> yep
[11:45] <LaserJock> are we done with the meeting stuff?
[11:45] <willvdl> I'm done
[11:45] <LaserJock> we almost made 2hrs
[11:45] <willvdl> This has been a most fruitful meeting!
[11:45] <LaserJock> for sure
[11:45] <willvdl> minutes are done.
[11:45] <pips1> they are?!
[11:45] <willvdl> does anyone actually read them?
[11:45] <LaserJock> let's continue drupal discussion in #edubuntu and/or edubuntu-devel
[11:46] <LaserJock> sure
[11:46] <willvdl> not posted yet
[11:46] <willvdl> sweet
[11:46] <LaserJock> overall I'd like to encourage everybody to use the edubuntu-devel mailing list
[11:46] <LaserJock> it makes things easier to track
[11:46] <LaserJock> more transparent
[11:46] <LaserJock> and helps get people involved
[11:46] <pips1> there *is* a edubuntu-devel?
[11:46] <pips1> LaserJock: you are joking
[11:47] <pips1> dudu
[11:47] <pips1> dude
[11:47] <willvdl> dudu
[11:47] <pips1> ah, you're talking about the mailing lists
[11:47] <pips1> I thought you're talking about irc
[11:48] <LaserJock> no, that's why I said "edubuntu-devel mailing list"
[11:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[11:48] <willvdl> ok. reverting to #edu
[11:48] <willvdl> ciao
[11:49] <pips1> ciao
[11:52] <ogra-classmate> ciao