[00:38] <mwhudson> the bug tracker for bonnie++ are blog post comments?? https://doc.coker.com.au/projects/bonnie/
[00:40] <sarnold> “Do you track it with version control anywhere? Weâ€™d like to help out tidying it up. Weâ€™d usually suggest GitLab or GitHub.”
[00:40] <sarnold> heh
[00:41] <mwhudson> yeah i was searching for "git" on that page
[03:42] <blahdeblah> Haha nice
[04:12]  * mwhudson glares at gnulib
[12:06] <schopin> mwhudson: hi! if you have the time, could you have a look at LP #1932010 (zlib) ? Looking for a sponsor, it seems you worked on the package before :)
[13:23] <schopin> xnox: o/ regarding openssl, is there any particular blocker for 1.1.1k in impish? Were you planning on doing the merge?
[14:54] <xnox> schopin:  not really, feel free to merge it yourself
[15:20] <klebers> sil2100, we've just discovered that we will need to re-spin hwe-5.11 kernel for the point release. We are missing an update for the SmartPQI driver which is needed for the media, and we also have some reports wrt graphics issues that we are still investigating but might also need some fix
[15:21] <klebers> sil2100, we might not be able to get it done for this Thursday
[15:23] <schopin> xnox: allright, I'll put it on my list :)
[15:32] <bdmurray> klebers: is bug 1939347 one of these graphics issues?
[15:37] <klebers> bdmurray, that one hasn't appeared in our radar yet, but I'll take a look at it
[15:37] <klebers> but the one that has caught mostly our attention is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1939349
[15:47] <schopin> vorlon: I'm currently working on merging pam 1.4.0. Regarding the extrausers module, is the process to redo the patch from scratch for each upstream version in order to pick up the modifications to pam_unix?
[16:00] <sil2100> klebers: :(
[16:00] <sil2100> klebers: let me add it to the blockers, thanks for the heads up


[00:25] <wxl> ooh i like this preseed business
[00:26] <balloons> :-0
[00:26] <wxl> i was concerned it wouldn't play right with ppc but it seems to be behaving
[00:26] <wxl> so far so good on the server upgrades
[00:27] <wxl> 5 passed, 1 in progress
[00:30] <balloons> just finished wubi upgrade
[00:31] <balloons> all went well
[00:31] <wxl> yay
[00:31] <wxl> i was excited to see lubuntu in wubi
[00:31] <wxl> i didn't know it was there
[00:31] <wxl> we're working on docs to point out that fact
[00:37] <balloons> :-)
[02:48] <dwrjones87> !isitout
[03:57] <holstein> howdy! ...we are hustling to get the 64bit ubuntustudio tests done from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26218/testcases
[03:57] <holstein> we still have time? correct? how much time do you think we have? and, could we talk anyone in to helping out you think?
[03:59] <ScottK> holstein: I think you have some time.  It's only 5AM in the UK right now.
[04:00] <wxl> aw shoot ubuntu server ppc failed for preseed
[04:00] <wxl> i've noticed a lot of these testcases seem to be copied over from x86 tests
[04:00] <wxl> i wonder if the preseed file isn't inappropriate
[04:00] <ScottK> They probably are.
[04:00] <ScottK> IIRC, dapper was the last release that powerpc was a Canonical supported architecture.
[04:01] <wxl> that's nice :)
[04:01] <holstein> ScottK: we'll see what we can do.. thanks!
[04:42]  * ScottK is going to bed, but if anyone has time, it looks like Xubuntu could use some help.
[04:45] <holstein> anything special i need to do to make a hardware profile? just sudo lshw and pastebin?
[04:48] <ScottK> For filing a bug?
[04:48] <holstein> ScottK: just for on the testcases
[04:48] <ScottK> Oh.  Dunno.
[04:48]  * ScottK was going to bed anyway ...
[04:49] <holstein> well, i'll link it.. wont hurt
[04:49] <holstein> ScottK: GN
[05:01] <Noskcaj> wxl: are you able to test the netboot let?
[05:02] <Noskcaj> anyone(its PPC)?
[05:16] <holstein> well, the ubuntustudio 64bit tests are mostly done
[05:16] <holstein> i think someone more familiar should test the persistent live one.. and i'lll try and find someone before i go to sleep
[05:33] <holstein> actually, i didnt see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26107/testcases
[05:34] <holstein> the upgrade one.. we dont have that one done for 64bit, and it wont get done in time.. is that a deal breaker?
[05:57] <Noskcaj> why doesn't netboot have bug reporting instructions?
[06:09] <wxl> Noskcaj: i'm still working on server
[06:09] <wxl> not even close O_O
[06:09] <Noskcaj> wxl: do you know of anyone who can?
[06:09] <Noskcaj> philballew hid when i asked him
[06:10] <philballew> I have a ppc laptop
[06:10] <philballew> never tried
[06:10] <philballew> sorry for hiding, currently doing homework for a java class
[06:11] <wxl> does it require a flash drive?
[06:11] <Noskcaj> wxl, cd or dvd works as well
[06:11] <Noskcaj> philballew: just if you have time
[06:12] <wxl> ok cuz booting flash on openfirmware BLOWS
[06:12] <Noskcaj> i know
[06:12] <Noskcaj> i couldn't get it to work at all
[06:12] <wxl> yeah i have about a 1% success rate
[06:13] <wxl> sooooooooo did you try netboot with cd/dvd then?
[06:13] <wxl> dd worked fine?
[06:13] <philballew> if you live in ca your free to have it probably and play with it
[06:13] <Noskcaj> i used brasero, and its running at the moment
[06:15] <wxl> i assume you had no troub le finding the right url?
[06:15] <wxl> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/quantal/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/
[06:15] <wxl> testcase is written for arm :/
[06:17] <wxl> and we actually want mini.iso not an img. blah
[06:17] <Noskcaj> wxl: i know, i will do a re-write of the testcase for ringtail
[06:18] <Noskcaj> and put the normal link in
[06:23] <wxl> burning it with hdiutil on the intel mac
[06:24] <wxl> so what problems were you having Noskcaj ?
[06:25] <Noskcaj> my first install didnt work but im running it again
[06:25] <Noskcaj> and it said to use the uk server
[06:26] <Noskcaj> for downloads
[06:26] <wxl> cool part about netboot: i can use my junky old 650mb cd-rws
[06:28] <Noskcaj> wxl: so true
[06:35] <wxl> when you say it didnt work what happened, Noskcaj ?
[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[06:36] <wxl> get booted to open firmware prompt after the yaboot prompt???
[06:37] <Noskcaj> wxl: it installed fine but gave an error whenever it was started, i think i somehow caused it though
[06:37] <jibel> Hey dholbach
[06:37] <dholbach> hey jibel
[06:37] <wxl> cuz i realize the download info is only appropriate for 64bit
[06:37] <Noskcaj> wxl: i did get the normal one
[06:38] <wxl> someone's smarter than me :)
[06:48]  * wxl yawns
[06:51] <Noskcaj> how many do you have to go wxl?
[06:51] <wxl> Noskcaj: too many
[06:52] <wxl> i've done 8/15
[06:52] <wxl> so 7 left
[06:52] <Noskcaj> nasty
[06:53] <Noskcaj> i think netboot armeel+omap will be released as it is due to the lack of rebuilds to netboot
[06:53] <wxl> but i'm not going to bother with the 2 kvm ones or the 1 vmware one
[06:53] <wxl> i don't think i can do iscsi without starting another server
[06:53] <wxl> so there's another 2
[06:54] <wxl> pretty darn sure virtual machine host/kvm won't work
[06:54] <wxl> so there's another one
[06:55] <wxl> so that leaves 7
[06:55] <wxl> it's not 8/15 i've done
[06:55] <wxl> 8/21
[06:55] <wxl> forgot the run-once's
[06:56] <wxl> so all those ones i say i don't have to do and i still have to do 7 XD
[06:57] <wxl> i don't think i'm going to do the raid one. it doesn't seem like it's going to work based on the fact that it relies on grub which ppc doesn't have
[07:02] <Noskcaj> wxl: lol, great work testcase people
[07:02] <wxl> on the other hand as ScottK pointed out early ppc is the black sheep of the canonical family
[07:07] <Noskcaj> wxl: very true
[07:29] <wxl> Noskcaj: worked. used lubuntu minimal
[07:30] <Noskcaj> ok, i will use xubuntu-desktop and see if that works too
[07:30] <wxl> might try lubuntu desktop too if you care to
[07:33] <wxl> anywho i'm going to set this thing to installing something and go to bed
[08:04] <Noskcaj> what do i file a bug under for an error after the mini.iso install?
[08:06] <TheDrums> What type of error?
[08:07] <Noskcaj> it says "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed"
[08:07] <Noskcaj> even after many reboots
[08:08] <Noskcaj> unfortunatly wxl is asleep and he just passed the testcase
[08:10] <Noskcaj> anyone? balloons i'm assuming you know
[08:10] <TheDrums> I tested one a couple days ago, no issues.
[08:10] <Noskcaj> wxl said no issues either, i dont know what is happening to my g4
[08:13] <TheDrums> I did a i686.
[08:17] <Noskcaj> both mine and wxl's are PPC
[09:11] <phillw> Noskcaj: what video card do you have?
[09:13] <Noskcaj> on the mac, i dont know
[09:14] <Noskcaj> phillw: i wil check when i can put a normal os on it
[09:14] <phillw> Noskcaj: okies.
[09:15] <Noskcaj> sorry about not putting up a proper bug report, do you like my replacement?
[09:29] <Noskcaj> good night everyone
[09:40] <dwrjones87> !isitout
[10:26] <phillw> hi, as my *buntu hard drive has checked in sick (perfect timing), is there anyone who could test the lubuntu 12.04 --> 12.10 (AMD)?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Anyone like to help test Ubuntu Studio upgrade amd64 testcases for us? phillw ?
[10:30] <phillw> smartboyhw: read my last comment :(
[10:30] <smartboyhw> phillw, sorry forgotten:D
[10:31] <phillw> I have 12.04 installing into a VM as we speak, but it takes a couple of hours for me to grab an iso, so I'm not much use to you.
[10:31] <phillw> and that's a CD sized iso!
[10:32] <smartboyhw> phillw, wow...I am faster than you on that maybe
[11:49] <phillw> I'll be AFK for a couple of hours, should be back intime for release!
[11:51] <sagaci> phillw: yup
[12:43] <jamespage> hggdh, help!
[12:43] <smartboyhw> Wow
[12:59] <hggdh> jamespage: I am here, what is going on (or not going on, as it may be)?
[12:59] <jamespage> hggdh, struggling to complete the juju+maas test for quantal release
[12:59] <jamespage> we think it works but I can find no-one who has run it on amd64
[13:01] <jamespage> hggdh, do you have the right kit to test?
[13:02] <hggdh> jamespage: I have two amd64 available
[13:02] <jamespage> hggdh: might be enough
[13:08] <hggdh> jamespage: so, what you need me to do? One of the machines already has MAAS
[13:09] <jamespage> hggdh, does it have remote power control over the other one?
[13:09] <hggdh> jamespage: nope, not directly. Both of the are on a CDU strip though, and I can control power
[13:11] <jamespage> hggdh, hmm
[13:12] <hggdh> jamespage: power can be controlled via script (Andres' implementation for the Sentry CDU). So, if this is enough, we are good
[13:13] <cjwatson> no pressure but this is critical path now :)
[13:13] <hggdh> :-)
[13:14] <smartboyhw> :-)
[13:17] <jamespage> hggdh, I don't think you have enough nodes todo the test
[13:17] <jamespage> needs 3 - maas, bootstrap + deploy
[13:19] <hggdh> jamespage: I can grab some machines from the lab -- say alkaid, phact, and rukbah
[13:19] <wxl> TheDrums: do you know if he figured out where to file that bug? there's another bug like that that's been affecting alternate and server for other people, even the one guy with the same video card as me who usually shares the same problems
[13:19] <wxl> phillw: just waking up. hope my email made sense
[13:51] <cjwatson> jamespage,hggdh: any news?
[13:51] <jamespage> cjwatson, matsubara is spinning up a maas deployment now in the maas qa lab
[13:51] <hggdh> cjwatson: matsubara is running the tests on the server team's maas lab
[14:26] <phillw> wxl: as the netboot has a fail, and you state that 32 bit is the more common one required, along with it needing a workaround... it's not really fit for release.
[14:27] <wxl> phillw: the testcase is a fail, not the test
[14:27] <phillw> with having ubuntu-core ppc, we can build server etc from that. I'd also have to make a fake RAID array under VM to test the install under VM. For this, I need my *buntu hard drive back. That is a couple of hours off line for me, so I'd miss the dead line.
[14:28] <wxl> but i'm fine with whatever
[14:28] <phillw> I think for server-ppc, if we get it to pass the tests at some point, I'll add it as a community edition to my ISO server.
[14:28] <smartboyhw> phillw, good:D
[14:29] <wxl> i really like netboot
[14:29] <wxl> i forgot about that
[14:29] <wxl> i did that once a long time ago
[14:29] <cjwatson> phillw: netboot can't really not be released, FWIW
[14:29] <cjwatson> It's in the archive like it or not
[14:29] <wxl> phillw: so you can take care of the vm stuff and iscsi?
[14:29] <cjwatson> All you can really do is stick a release note on it
[14:29] <phillw> ubuntu-core ppc, should be a good enough starting block
[14:30] <phillw> cjwatson: oooh, thanks - it still shows not-ready on iso tracker.
[14:30] <wxl> the thing i'm worried about is the mandatory raid test which it is highly doubtful i will be able to accomplish just based on time alone
[14:31] <phillw> wxl: had my hard drive not checked in sick, I was going to do the raid one 1st to get it out of the way.
[14:31] <wxl> i did a bunch of test yesterday while i was at work number 1, went to work number 2, then came home and did a bunch of tests until i couldn't see straight
[14:32] <smartboyhw> wxl, wow;D
[14:32] <wxl> now it's time to do it all over again :)
[14:33] <wxl> i wish that stupid recusive fault bug wasn't popping up for everyone
[14:33] <phillw> same here....
[14:34] <wxl> that is troubling, whatever it is, because it makes my only one other nvidia-equipped tester useless
[14:34] <wxl> luckily there appears to be more radeons out there
[14:34] <wxl> and desktop works fine for them
[14:35] <wxl> i have to re-do preseed too
[14:35] <phillw> I think one the guys reckoned it was about 25% nVid, 75% Radeon
[14:35] <wxl> based on the 6 of us? XD
[14:36] <wxl> grr virtualization host is mandatory too
[14:36] <phillw> wxl: colin says that net boot is available, but needs the release notes doing.
[14:37] <wxl> it is doubtful to me that any ppc will be kvm-friendly
[14:38] <wxl> phillw: by release notes you mean i'm supposed to write the test case appropriately? XD or i should go ahead and solve the recursive fault bug? ;)
[14:38] <wxl> brb
[14:40] <phillw> just you comments on the recursive bug and other comments from your test will be okay. raise a bug against the test case so that it can be looked into. (I've already got the "grub" one for ppc on my TODO list).
[14:42] <wxl> phillw: well reeally every ppc test needs to be reviewed but that one in particular is horrible so i'll raise a bug
[14:42] <wxl> got to take kid to school
[14:49] <balloons> howdy gents
[14:49] <smartboyhw> howdy babyface_
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Oops
[14:49] <smartboyhw> howdy balloons
[14:49] <babyface_> hello smartboyhw
[14:50] <smartboyhw> babyface_, sorry want to say howdy to balloons tab failure:P
[14:50] <babyface_> smartboyhw,  that's ok   ;)
[14:50] <balloons> don't worry babyface_ I'll still say hello to you!
[14:50] <balloons> did you get a chance to test the chinese images?
[14:51] <babyface_> balloons, downloading, will test it after the downloading
[14:51] <babyface_> balloons, I  got this issue from plars just now
[14:52] <balloons> babyface_, ahh I see the chat
[14:52] <balloons> you can't zsync them eh?
[14:54] <babyface_> balloons, I can, but, you know, there are no old chinese images on my disk, so it's the same as a fresh download
[14:56] <balloons> ahh.. figures
[15:11] <wxl> balloons: the mandatory virtualization host test for ubuntu server ppc requires the use of kvm which according to their homepage only supports x86 hardware with virtualization extensions, which is to say, it's irrelevant for ppc. can we remove it?
[15:13] <wxl> also am i wrong but this testcase seems a little sparse http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/26210/testcases/1445/results
[15:13] <phillw> balloons: the same could be said of RAID, as the link points to using KVM to create a 'software' RAID
[15:13] <wxl> i can guarantee that one's going to pass XD
[15:13]  * balloons distracted for a moment
[15:13] <balloons> be with you a few
[15:14] <wxl> phillw: it's possible to run a test as a guest but not possible to run kvm on the host if the host is ppc
[15:14] <wxl> so yeah actually the iscsi root (virtualized kvm) test is invalid too
[15:14] <wxl> so nevermind that going to pass thing ;)
[15:15] <phillw> wxl: just wait for Nicholas to catch up with us.
[15:15] <wxl> off to make breakfast then :)
[15:16] <phillw> wxl: thanks for the all-nighter!
[15:20] <wxl> uh oh we got people looking to install already on #lubuntu ;)
[15:21] <phillw> it's not finalised yet!
[15:21] <wxl> hah i know
[15:22] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.10/release/
[15:22] <wxl> oops
[15:22] <wxl> sorry
[15:22] <sagaci> kubuntu 934mb, ubuntu 763mb
[15:23] <wxl> < linux_training:#twitter_wxl> [84] Ubuntu Linux 12.10 review: Better, but slower http://t.co/dAqGSpuU <bit.ly/U9nz8C>
[15:24] <phillw> send them to #ubuntu-release-party
[15:25]  * wxl fears joining said channel due to the potential flood
[15:26] <phillw> he he, I'm just awaiting the note from kate, so I can set about the GetLubuntu Wiki!
[15:26] <wxl> ew zdnet recommending mint over ubuntu bummer
[15:27] <wxl> phillw: are you or karl or someone taking care of linking the L-PPCFAQ to the release notes?
[15:27] <phillw> depends what type of DE you want!
[15:27] <phillw> wxl: I've been on once to do a tidy up, anything else need doing?
[15:28] <wxl> no should be ok, i just did one too after you
[15:28] <phillw> you comments on minimal for ppc would be appreeciated, I think server-ppc is okay once we strip out the N/A test cases.
[15:30] <phillw> wxl: has the tomcat test instance finished for ppc-server?
[15:32] <wxl> running the last tests now
[15:33] <wxl> phillw: you mean comments on netboot?
[15:33] <balloons> k -- so what's up?
[15:33] <phillw> okies, I've let kate know that I'm waiting on Nicholas to confirm the N/A tests for server
[15:34] <phillw> balloons: several test cases (the ones not done) require KVM, which is not supported on PPC and therefor are N/A ... can these be removed from the mandatory tests?
[15:34] <wxl> balloons: basically we need ot kill the kvm tests on ubuntu server ppc as ppc chips can't do kvm
[15:34] <wxl> ↑ what he said
[15:34] <balloons> ahh
[15:34] <balloons> got it
[15:34] <balloons> let's go
[15:34] <phillw> kate has agreed to hang on whilst I sought agreement from you.
[15:35] <balloons> yes, we can do that
[15:35] <balloons> however, we can't do it right now
[15:35] <balloons> well, I guess we can
[15:36] <balloons> if we change the testsuite now, it will refresh everything
[15:36] <balloons> meaning you will need to re-report the results
[15:36] <smartboyhw> balloons, not good when 12.10 testing almost came to the end..
[15:36] <wxl> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:37] <wxl> mark 'em all as passed with notes? ;)
[15:37] <balloons> wxl, phillw it won't require re-testing obviously
[15:37] <wxl> tomcat done
[15:37] <stgraber> phillw, balloons: kvm supports ppc, it's pretty recent but our qemu-kvm is building for ppc and BenC has been poking hallyn and some others to fix some bugs
[15:37] <stgraber> so removing a testcase because kvm doesn't exist on PPC would be wrong
[15:37] <wxl> stgraber: kvm supports ppc as a GUEST not as a HOST
[15:37] <wxl> or am i reading you right?
[15:37] <phillw> stgraber: so it will be available for 13.04?
[15:38] <stgraber> wxl: see ppc section: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Processor_support
[15:38] <wxl> well i'll be a monkey's uncle
[15:39] <wxl> homepage needs to be updated
[15:39] <stgraber> wxl: some ppc CPU have hardware virtualization and are supported by kvm though it's apparently still early stage
[15:39] <wxl> i quote: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware containing virtualization extensions (Intel VT or AMD-V"
[15:39] <balloons> wxl, phillw so you were basing this on real life experience or ?
[15:39] <wxl> x86 hardware != ppc ;)
[15:39] <wxl> balloons: basing it on kvm's home page
[15:40] <wxl> but it also sounds like we can't be sure it will work
[15:40] <wxl> certainly not for 12.10
[15:40] <wxl> right, stgraber ? i can't just grab it out of the repos?
[15:40] <wxl> or perhaps even more appropriately, the virtualization host task won't install it
[15:40] <stgraber> as far as I know we have a qemu-kvm binary for PPC in the archive
[15:40] <wxl> huh
[15:40] <wxl> well i'll give it a shot
[15:40] <stgraber> now you may need some pretty specific CPU to make it work
[15:41] <wxl> but if it fails, i'm not going to mark it failed. we'll discuss it then
[15:41] <balloons> wxl, yes, I would try
[15:41] <phillw> stgraber: so, should we mark as N/A until we have time to do further work. Otherwise perver-ppc is a NOGO
[15:41] <phillw> *server-ppc*
[15:42] <stgraber> ppc is a port, so the lack of result for a single test shouldn't prevent publication
[15:42] <wxl> i have a g4 32 so it should work
[15:42] <wxl> stgraber: well it *IS* a mandatory test as the suite is written
[15:42] <wxl> by the letter of the law and all…
[15:42] <phillw> not sure how much time we have left before kate closes the door on testing....
[15:44] <wxl> :(
[15:44] <wxl> well i have to go to work
[15:44] <wxl> when i get there i'll run the test
[15:44] <wxl> hopefully i can have it donerelatively soon
[15:45] <wxl> ta
[16:06] <cjwatson> it's ridiculous to require virt host on powerpc when it's so new
[16:06] <cjwatson> besides, it's too late, that image was already marked ready, signed off, and published
[16:07] <cjwatson> feel free to release note it but it is too late to say it's not releaseable now
[16:10] <ScottK> wxl: mandatory isn't really mandatory in all cases.  It means you have to think about if it's important.
[16:10] <phillw> cjwatson: once again, thanks.
[16:10] <cjwatson> right, ScottK puts it more gracefully :)
[16:11] <cjwatson> the rules are meant to be interpreted by humans
[16:11] <phillw> ScottK: all the various ways that we can install server-ppc have been checked. KVM stuff is not applicable to all PPC machines, and will be moved from mandatory.
[16:11] <ScottK> That and a lot of the powerpc test cases were blindly copied for i386/amd64.
[16:11] <phillw> just not 10 minutes before deadline :D
[16:11] <ScottK> So you have to think about it is a lot more true for powerpc than other archs.
[16:13] <phillw> ScottK: I'm more than happy with the verification of the 'standard' installs that have been done. They should cover all PPC's, the others may, or may not, be applicable depending on hardware.
[16:14] <phillw> That will require a whole new wiki area to be written!
[16:22] <phillw> cjwatson: just a quick query.. I don't see server-ppc listed at http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[16:23] <cjwatson> phillw: powerpc is on cdimage - follow the link at the top
[16:24] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/release/
[16:25] <phillw> cjwatson: that just shows alternate and desktop? I was looking where the server images are stored?
[16:26] <smartboyhw> phillw, the cdimage link shows the ppc server image
[16:26] <cjwatson> yes, I checked
[16:27] <phillw> found them, it's just so I can update the wiki page with all these 'new' ones that have arrived :) Thanks!
[16:28] <smartboyhw> phillw, :D
[16:48] <wxl> back
[16:48] <wxl> just for grins i'm gonan try the virtualization host
[16:49] <wxl> might be cool to know where we stand for 13.04
[16:49] <balloons> wxl, :-)
[16:51] <wxl> glad to hear i'm not going to be under the gun tho
[16:51]  * balloons puts wxl under the rope
[16:52] <wxl> sheesh
[16:52] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:53] <wxl> where?
[16:53] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[17:04] <wxl> anyone: is there a place where canonical keeps track of which architectures are being used? i'm especially curious about 32 v 64 bit regardless of whether or not we're ttalking about x86 or whatever
[17:12] <phillw> wxl: sadly, not. As there are so many ways of getting the iso's it is pointless trying to keep track.
[17:14] <phillw> wxl: were you aware that there is a 32bit AND 64bit netboot for PPC? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/quantal/
[17:14] <wxl> phillw: yes i passed the 32
[17:15] <wxl> btw stgraber et al. the virtualization host task failed. kvm-ok is not found and lsmod | grep kvm is null. so put that on the todo list for 13.04.
[17:15] <wxl> phew i can't take that release party channel anymore
[17:15] <phillw> I'm just editing that part of the Wiki now...
[17:16] <phillw> I never joined it :P
[17:16] <wxl> so what do you need from me?
[17:16] <wxl> it's like a freaking high school party
[17:17] <phillw> Did anyone test the 64 bit netinstall for PPC?
[17:17] <wxl> no 64bit here sorry
[17:17] <phillw> okies, I'll ask on mailing list. It may be a N/A for lubuntu.
[17:17] <wxl> it'll prolly work
[17:18] <smartboyhw> OK someone change the topic....Ubuntu 12.10 is released!!!!!!!
[17:18] <phillw> yeah, I'll put it up on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall for completeness sake :D
[17:18] <wxl> :)
[17:19] <phillw> close quarter wiki editing with this amount of links in per table is making my eyes wonky!
[17:20] <balloons> woot
[17:21] <balloons> even jibel stuck around for that :-)
[17:21] <smartboyhw> babyface_, woot
[17:21] <smartboyhw> Ouch balloons phillw woot
[17:21] <jibel> Congrats everyone !
[17:21] <smartboyhw> Yay yay yay
[17:22]  * phillw still editing wiki area...
[17:23] <smartboyhw> phillw, oh sorry:P
[17:25] <phillw> GetLubuntu all updated...
[17:26] <smartboyhw> phillw, :D
[17:27] <phillw> my server is now zsyncing, as soon as it is done each team listed at http://phillw.net/isos/ may use it as a secondary direct server download.
[17:27] <smartboyhw> phillw, yay
[17:35] <wxl> phillw: should https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu reference the lubuntu ppc faq too?
[17:40] <phillw> wxl: it's all done via release notes.
[17:41] <phillw> I haven't even had time to check links yet! 3 pages of iso links to alter... Standard, Alternate and mini.iso!
[17:43] <phillw> wxl: link to release notes added to GetLubuntu
[17:45] <wxl> hey at least when ubuntu for android comes out we won't need to test that for ppc

[17:46] <phillw> is there anyone about from arm for Lubuntu release?
[17:48] <wxl> what's minimum hardware for lubuntu arm?
[17:48] <wxl> i have two old webos phones that maybe i could make work
[17:49] <wxl> i know one of them had instructions on running debian lxde off of it
[17:50] <wxl> v4+
[17:50] <wxl> oops
[17:50] <wxl> v7+
[17:51] <wxl> my pre2 is indeed a cortex a8
[18:22] <phillw> wxl: I'll look for ogra coming online, the ARM team have been looking after the testing etc. They asked for a low resource version, but our devs don't have access to ARM kit, so they've been looking after that 'in-house'.
[18:27] <wxl> phillw: it probably won't be easy to do, especially considering there's no external storage (read: sd card) but i'm not wedded to the phone. i'd hack it as needed. would be a fun project
[18:33] <wxl> is it time to start testing 13.04 yet? ;)
[18:36] <phillw> wxl: the information about arm is at http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/12.10/
[18:37] <wxl> hm, pretty scant
[18:58] <njin> thanks to all the group for the great work done. Fabio
[19:10] <njin> balloons, hallo, great intro...http://www.ubuntu.com/  lol
[19:10] <njin> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[19:11] <balloons> hallo!
[19:26] <phillw> balloons: I don't have a list of the TL's for the different flavours, but can you let them know that all members of the family that are listed at http://phillw.net/isos/ have Quantal iso's available as a secondary direct server.
[19:28] <phillw> balloons: hold that note! just found at least one hasn't got on.
[19:41] <balloons> phillw, hehe
[19:42] <balloons> studio is 404
[19:42] <phillw> indeed, that was the one I checked. unit is looking into it.
[19:43] <phillw> it is the 1st time the script has been fully run, so a bit of tweaking is to be expected.
[19:43] <phillw> as it is zsync, re-running it causes minimal traffic for the images it already dafely has.
[19:43] <phillw> s/dafely/safely/
[20:08] <wxl> hey i didn't know there was ATA over ethernet. are we going to add that along with iSCSI for server tests?
[20:15] <phillw> wxl: they still make ATA hard drives? :P
[20:15] <wxl> )
[20:16] <wxl> er forgot my eyes there
[20:16] <phillw> forgiven, you spent a long time at the screen!
[20:16] <wxl> you sound like the guy on the party channel that was like "why do they recommend 32 bit still? NO ONE uses anything but 64 bit anymore"
[20:16] <wxl> same guy was of course saying ppc is so "1998"
[20:17] <phillw> ah... 1998, when men were men & he was a but a little sperm....
[20:17] <wxl> \;)
[20:41] <phillw> balloons: when will you next be on 'normal' duties? I have a batch of 'old' test cases to be converted :)
[20:43] <balloons> phillw, we can do it anytime now
[20:44] <phillw> balloons: whilst we were busy, Julien did make a start on the lubuntu "test once' cases that are specific to LX :)
[20:44] <balloons> awesome
[20:45] <balloons> yea, now that the release is out, we can go wild on fixing up the cases
[20:45] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Applications_test_cases
[20:45] <Noskcaj> do you guys want me to start xubntu lvm + encription?
[20:45] <Noskcaj> or netboot
[20:45] <xnox> ?
[20:45] <phillw> Noskcaj: all our iso's got out :)
[20:45] <balloons> Noskcaj, the lvm+encryption for xubuntu should be the same as ubuntu
[20:45] <Noskcaj> then can someone put it in
[20:46] <Noskcaj> phillw: i meant rewrite
[20:46] <balloons> xubuntu I believe is set with what they want
[20:47] <balloons> feel free to re-write netboot
[20:47] <balloons> it's on the list
[20:47] <balloons> Noskcaj, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[20:47] <balloons> that's all the outstanding work for testcases
[20:48] <wxl> that netboot testcase, phew
[20:48] <wxl> deplorable
[20:49] <phillw> balloons: you know what? I completely forgot about that page :(
[20:49] <wxl> the server ppc raid testcase also needs serious looking at
[20:49] <Noskcaj> balloons: i will start on that sometime soon, i am pretty sure the xubuntu guys want lvm + encription
[20:50] <phillw> wxl: all the ppc cases need looking at - espec. those that involve KVM, they will not be mandatory owing to it never going to be supported on all ppc archs.
[20:50] <phillw> but, as a 'test once' it may be useful if we find any ppc kit that supports KVM :)
[20:51] <Noskcaj> i think the upgrade to 12.10 servers are overloaded
[20:51] <Noskcaj> i'm only getting 40kb/s
[20:51] <phillw> Noskcaj: quite possibly!
[20:54] <phillw> Noskcaj: as lubuntu still ships an alternate, using http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com.ar/2011/06/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-using-alternate.html may well be faster. You can grab the iso from http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/quantal/release/ which may be a far faster method :)
[20:55] <Noskcaj> phillw: i will just stick with the main installer
[20:56] <Noskcaj> i have made a typewith.me for netboot ppc that i will start working on http://typewith.me/p/netbootppc
[21:03] <wxl> phillw: unless stgraber can convince us otherwise ;)
[21:04] <phillw> wxl: as I mentioned, with work ongoing, ppc people will no doubt be asked to test what they come up with.
[21:12] <phillw> balloons: with the exception of the lubuntu alpha's & beta's which hold ppc stuff, is it safe to purge the other flavours so we have a clean sheet for 13.04?
[21:13] <balloons> phillw, you can safely purge everything from 12.10, except ppc as you mentioned
[21:14] <phillw> okies, I'll do that manually. All except server are now mirrored.
[21:25] <phillw> balloons: who best to ask about the non-standard way http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ is set up?
[21:27] <phillw> precise is in one place ... releases has maverik and there is no entry for quantal!
[21:27] <phillw> I'm assuming http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ has the quantal ones?
[21:30] <phillw> not sure if colin is the one to ask, he was approving ppc stuff earlier whilst we were debating :D
[21:34] <balloons> cdimage isn't really meant to host anything
[21:34] <balloons> :-)
[21:34] <balloons> it's a temporary spot
[21:41] <phillw> now's a good time to grab it, before they go move it :D
[22:37] <phillw> sorry balloons, my turn to get totally side tracked. It will need a completely new script to handle ubuntu & ubuntu-server. I'm just grabbing the server ones in manually so that they are there :)
[22:38] <phillw> and probably upsetting people as they come in at ~5 Mb/s to my mirror..
[22:41] <phillw> balloons: did you get chance to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Applications_test_cases or do you want to leave it until tomorrow?
[22:41] <balloons> phillw,  no
[22:41] <balloons> ok -- so migrate those?
[22:42] <phillw> balloons: if you would be so kind? I sorta remember you had a little script to do that?
[22:43] <phillw> wow, coming in at 10Mb/s now.... at least I won't be troubling the releases server very long :)
[22:47] <phillw> ahh, its pulling them in from the cloud.... I'm VERY impressed!
[22:59] <balloons> phillw, I can convert tes
[22:59] <phillw> tes?
[23:00] <balloons> ta
[23:01] <phillw> balloons: if you can convert, that would be a help.... the lubuntu-testing crew are now eager to get their hands on test cases.... Boy, are they gluttens for punishment!
[23:01] <balloons> not today
[23:01] <balloons> but later
[23:03] <phillw> I'll catch you tomorrow, it's been a long 3 days, and stressful at times.


[00:01] <aloo_shu> bazhang, if you op, op well. SkyLord12345 is not here for ubuntu related questions
[00:01] <niceGuy00> i want to clone SSD with win7 on it to another SSD using live ubuntu usb how to do it? target SSD is smaller than source SSD
[00:01] <niceGuy00> anyone?
[00:02] <willdeberry> @niceGuy00 first idea that comes to mind would be to use dd, but that will do a complete byte for byte duplication
[00:03] <niceGuy00> willdeberry, that i dont want
[00:03] <aloo_shu> niceGuy00 first of all, defragment the win disk
[00:03] <niceGuy00> should i resize
[00:03] <niceGuy00> using kde partition edit
[00:03] <aloo_shu> after defrag
[00:04] <genii> dd_rescue can do sparse images, but there needs to be less data on the partition than space on the smaller drive
[00:04] <aloo_shu> tricky. resize will shrink the win partition so that it fits onto 2nd disk
[00:05] <aloo_shu> if possible, but resizing has a minimal risk, so you want a backup FIRST
[00:06] <aloo_shu> evacuate some important files, defrag, boot win 2 times for ntfs integriy check
[00:08] <aloo_shu> then format/partition the new-smaller disk so that there is a partition where the rsesized original partition fits
[00:10] <aloo_shu> I don't know the kde tool, gparted can do all this very well and is usually present on live media
[00:11] <aloo_shu> gparted would also allow you to clone/copy a partition from a gui
[00:11] <tomreyn> dckx_: that's good news :)
[00:11] <tomreyn> enjoy your new ubuntusystem then!
[00:13] <tomreyn> dckx_: by the way, if your computer is not too old / slow and you don't need to run graphically demanding stuff in Windows then I'd recommend to move the Windows installation into a Virtualbox VM and just boot into Ubuntu all the time. It's a lot more comfortable than dual-booting.
[00:14] <tomreyn> And I assume people around here or in #ubuntu-offtopic might help you with the migration (I would).
[00:21] <dckx_> tomreyn: thanks for the suggestion, I think I might do what you say, although I already have windwows 10 installed. I'm planning on goin almost 100% ubuntu within the next year or two, so going from dual-booting to a VM sounds like necessary step
[00:22] <tomreyn> willdeberry: there is also #launchpad
[00:22] <tomreyn> also #ubuntu-devel
[00:23] <willdeberry> awesome! much appreciated
[00:24] <tomreyn> dckx_: you can convert the existing windows 10 installation into a VM when you feel like it. it's not super easy if you haven't done it before, but it should work (so no need to reinstall).
[00:25] <dckx_> tomreyn: gotta give my daughter a bath, what you say sounds good, will learn more about it
[00:25] <tomreyn> depending on how flexible windows is nowadays, you may even be able to run it both as a VM under ubuntu and as a bare metal (dual boot) system, but i never tried that.
[00:27] <tomreyn> dckx_: good luck not getting too wet then! here's something you could read up on later https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html
[00:29] <willdeberry> could just interact with the bare metal partition directly if you create the VMWare raw disk image pointed to a specific partition or drive
[00:29] <willdeberry> i've used an entire disk that way in the past, not sure about partitions, but sounds neat :)
[00:30] <tomreyn> partitions works, too, at leas twith virtualbox
[00:31] <willdeberry> nice to know.
[00:31] <willdeberry> i had fun with that back in the day on esxi
[00:49] <mmarconm> any one using ubuntu 16 for ltsp fat client ?
[00:50] <SkyLord12345> anybody - send me a PM, please
[01:08] <SkyLord12345> Hello! Good night
[01:09] <mmarconm> Hello ! good night
[01:12] <SkyLord12345> Hello
[01:12] <SkyLord12345> mmarconm - what is your Ubuntu version?
[01:13] <mmarconm> SkyLord12345: 16
[01:13] <SkyLord12345> and are you using DE or WM ?
[01:14] <mmarconm> SkyLord12345: both, gnome-flashback and xmonad
[01:15] <SkyLord12345> i use fluxbox
[01:15] <mmarconm> cool, openbox its a good shoot too
[01:18] <SkyLord12345> I have 3 GB ROM! But use fluxbox)))
[01:19] <SkyLord12345> strange?
[01:20] <SkyLord12345> How speed-up Ubuntu ?
[01:21] <SkyLord12345> Top - this command?
[01:21] <SkyLord12345> I need to know - what processes are lazy my computer
[01:23] <SkyLord12345> Does anybody know?
[01:31] <SkyLord12345> are we sleeping?)))
[01:47] <aloo_shu> SkyLord12345: it IS not ubuntu, but you can get or even make all sorts of Puppy Linux based on various ubuntu (and other) distros. Very small, runs from a pendrive, in RAM, and is a good school for 'trimming fat' as they put it, removing unnecessary stuff and get a fast OS
[03:33] <yoginth> how to become ubuntu member?
[03:33] <yoginth> and i need @ubuntu.com email
[03:33] <yoginth> it seems difficult to get one
[03:36] <demonxian3> ?
[03:36] <demonxian3> nobody?
[03:36] <yoginth> im here
[03:36] <demonxian3> alright
[03:36] <Bashing-om> yoginth: It takes a lot of want to and some bit of time : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/ .
[03:37] <yoginth> I read this but it is difficult to apply to boards!
[03:37] <yoginth> where is the form to apply membership to boards?
[03:38] <Flannel> yoginth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember walks you through the entire process
[03:38] <Bashing-om> yoginth: The operative is " sustained contributions " .
[03:39] <Flannel> yoginth: Also, please take additional questions to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Obtaining membership isn't technical support, and is offtopic here.  Thanks!
[03:57] <BlackDalek> Can I use cheese webcam booth to connect to wireless webcams? If so, how? I see no option to enter a network address in cheese's options.
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> BlackDalek: Probably not unless you can do some other sort of magic to make it "appear" as a local device.
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> !info gmotionlive | BlackDalek Maybe this would do what you need?
[04:10] <fraktor> kostkon: So I tried a few different things, and it turns out that there was an error message flashing briefly into the screen that said "error: file '/boot/' not found." How can I repair my installation media?
[04:31] <madmanonmeds> oerhecks: thank you your advice helped yesterday
[04:36] <madmanonmeds> BlueKaj: thank you for your help yesterday the package manager is not installed by default on ubuntu this was a fresh install, I have installed it since.
[04:40] <madmanonmeds> is ubuntu using systemmd
[05:02] <bex> hello
[05:02] <bex> i need to reinstall ubuntu but i want to be very careful i dont erase my files that are also on the same disk https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0i7fuby0ndo7ye/Screenshot%20from%202017-08-07%2004-30-26.png?dl=0
[05:05] <madmanonmeds> bex: do you have free space
[05:06] <skymall> oops
[05:06] <skymall> grumble
[05:06] <skymall> can you give me a ring at<PHONE_NUMBER> thanks
[05:06] <skymall> grumble
[05:08] <SwedeMike> skymall: do you expect someone here to call you?
[05:08] <bex> not in that list, no
[05:10] <madmanonmeds> you don't have any free space
[05:15] <madmanonmeds> do you have another drive
[05:15] <bex> what would happen if i formatted that swap partition?
[05:15] <bex> 13 gb
[05:15] <bex> i dont know what its for
[05:16] <bex> oh maybe i can find an extra one
[05:18] <lazarus_zed> Maybe you misconfigured disk partition size before.
[05:18] <madmanonmeds> I may have jumped in over my head, I can not tell you fact
[05:22] <madmanonmeds> I looked at the screen shot and I have never seen that configuration
[05:24] <madmanonmeds> lazarus_zed: did you look at the screen shot
[05:24] <EpicCyndaquil> is there a way to run apt-get over https?
[05:28] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, sure thing! https://askubuntu.com/questions/146108/how-to-use-https-with-apt-get
[05:29] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, basically, just edit the /etc/apt/sources.list to https urls
[05:33] <EpicCyndaquil> the official mirror appears to not support https. Can you suggest one that does?
[05:37] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, it looks like Canonical doesn't have any official ones, however there are https mirrors - https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3q53kc/list_of_ubuntu_repository_mirrors_available_over/
[05:39] <madmanonmeds> bex: you could in fact delete the swap partition and install there but you will need to make a smaller swap partition
[05:39] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, though, why do you want https? Everything I'm reading says it's probably not necessary because apt already signs and encrypts.
[05:40] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, Unless you just want it to be the same sort of blob as any other https traffic, for profiling reasons?
[05:44] <EpicCyndaquil> so I'm getting hash sum mismatches when downloading ubuntu packages, even from different mirrors, so I'm thinking my ISP has some kind of weird cache, and hoping https will get around it
[05:45] <bex> when i did "update-initramfs -c -k all" i got the following errors:
[05:45] <bex> "depmod: error: bad version passed version"
[05:45] <bex> "missing /lib/modules/version"
[05:45] <bex> "ensure all necessary drivers are built into the linux image"
[05:47] <leaftype> ah...
[05:48] <madmanonmeds> bex:sorry I can't help
[05:48] <bex> ok
[05:50] <madmanonmeds> someone else can though so stay
[05:51] <EpicCyndaquil> leaftype: so I've tried 3 https hosts so far, and they're all failing... any other step besides adding them to sources.list?
[05:53] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, no, not according to the link I showed you. However, for hash mismatch I found this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error/
[05:56] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, You said you assumed basically this, did you try deleting /var/lib/apt/lists/* , and then apt-get update?
[05:56] <EpicCyndaquil> leaftype: I've tried literally everything on that page
[05:56] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, ah damn
[05:59] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, maybe it's because we both have pokemon names, but I'm out of ideas.
[06:01] <EpicCyndaquil> trust me, I am too.
[06:02] <EpicCyndaquil> I think this has been going on for over a month, I'm clueless
[06:03] <leaftype> EpicCyndaquil, a month? How often do ISP's keep their cache
[06:05] <EpicCyndaquil> no idea, it's super strange
[06:34] <madmanonmeds> bex:what do you think about deleting the swap partition and letting ubuntu install there
[06:35] <madmanonmeds> that may not be the best idea but it is the only one I have
[06:36] <madmanonmeds> any body else
[06:39] <Nokaji> I seem to recall there is a change in 17.04 ... e.g. "In fresh installations of 17.04 we have a swap file instead of a swap partition"
[06:42] <madmanonmeds> Nokaji: from the screen shot he is in 16.04
[06:44] <Nokaji> no doubt ... just sharing my singular thought on the subject
[06:44] <Nokaji> ... soemthing to do with modern PCs having so much memory that it becomes almost obsolete
[06:46] <Nokaji> according to " free -h", I'm using 69M out of an available 15G
[06:49] <madmanonmeds> yes the swap partition is almost obsolete, but if is not there and the operating system needs it, it could hang
[06:57] <ddellav> yes, imo you should always have like 1g of swap just in case
[06:58] <ddellav> because otherwise if your system runs out of ram things just start crashing
[06:58] <ddellav> and its easy to add swap without making a partition
[06:58] <ddellav> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=1M count=1024
[06:58] <ddellav> mkswap /swap
[06:58] <ddellav> chmod 600 /swap
[06:58] <ddellav> swapon /swap
[06:59] <ddellav> thats part of a script that i run on every VPS
[06:59] <ddellav> since they usually don't have any swap
[07:00] <Nokaji> ddellav: I was looking up the possibility of using a swap file instead of swap space on any/earlier version; you beat me to it :)
[07:01] <ddellav> afaik that works on pretty much every version of linux
[07:01] <ddellav> i've used it since debian 7 days
[07:02] <madmanonmeds> the problem is he has no free space to reinstall
[07:07] <bex> ci think i'm just gonna reinstall to a different drive
[07:09] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone, what may be the reason that I can send the mail to local email address which are hosted in same server but cannot send to the internet ? I have 25 port open too, I can telnet
[07:12] <Nokaji> madmanonmeds: I wonderd what the problem was, I just scrolled back - maybe bex needs to do some temporary archiving to free up space
[07:13] <madmanonmeds> that is what i asked earlier if you had another drive to install there then copy the files to that drive
[07:15] <madmanonmeds> Nokaji: he did an update and things didn't go right
[07:16] <madmanonmeds> so it messed up his kernel
[07:17] <madmanonmeds> now he is trying to save his system by reinstalling
[07:19] <ddellav> ah, yea, in the future i always tell people to use /home as a separate partition to make re-install easy
[07:19] <Nokaji> madmanonmeds: Understood; that's exactly what I did last week - I moved stuff from one partition to another and back after, obviously I had some space. He'd need a DVD or USB stick etc but if you guys can't figure it out, I'm just a newb
[07:19] <Nokaji> maybe he can archive some stuff to reduce it in size
[07:21] <madmanonmeds> but if he don't how archive he can't, I don't know how
[07:22] <Bashing-om> bex: madmanonmeds :: check the condition of the kernels ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' and where the space is consumed ' df -h ; df -i ' ??
[07:22] <Nokaji> archive as in compress/ zip
[07:24] <madmanonmeds> I never ran into this condition, I always make some extra partitions
[07:26] <madmanonmeds> I have never seen that command
[07:26] <Nokaji> maybe there is studd that can be deleted, some temp files or duplicates - something has to give
[07:26] <Nokaji> stuFF
[07:28] <madmanonmeds> bex:you still on here
[07:31] <CoderEurope> How do I see the logs of a gui error when using ubuntu ?
[07:34] <arunpyasi> Hello everyone, what may be the reason that I can send the mail to local email address which are hosted in same server but cannot send to the internet ? I have 25 port open too, I can telnet
[07:35] <madmanonmeds> bashing-om: Nokaji: some of us are complete newb and then there are the graphical users, they don't know
[07:37] <bex> yea
[07:37] <madmanonmeds> yea what
[07:37] <bex> i'm still here but i already shut it down
[07:38] <madmanonmeds> where you running live from the disk
[07:38] <madmanonmeds> oops left or out
[07:39] <Bashing-om> madmanonmeds: We were all new at one time . We all learn - everyday .
[07:39] <bex> i was running a live version from a usb stick
[07:40] <madmanonmeds> yea but i am not a hacker, or anything like that.
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: ubuntu-server?
[07:49] <Bashing-om> bex: madmanonmeds 'buntu is always fixable, given time and effort and a liveDVD. If ya want to restore the install I will return in about 12 hours .
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: gui error of what exactly
[07:49] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, yes, its ubuntu server
[07:49] <madmanonmeds> well you are ahead of me bex
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: maybe better luck solving in #ubuntu-server? those guys are used to this
[07:50] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, its 16.04
[07:51] <CoderEurope> lotuspsychje, of a program called lollipop - I am getting errors - Where are the error logs ?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: router of firewall can block outgoing traffic?
[07:51] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, ohh.. but the ports get open right !
[07:51] <arunpyasi> the traffic is blocked !
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> arunpyasi: have you tryed nmapping yourself external to see whats open or filtered?
[07:52] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, I tried to telnet
[07:52] <arunpyasi> lotuspsychje, 25 and 465, they worked fine.
[07:53] <marvinjoin777> hey all I was wondering if I could get help with installing ubuntu 16.04 on my new XPS 15. Whenever I go to install ubunutu from the GRUB menu it shows load menu then just hangs
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: how did you install lollipop?
[07:57] <CoderEurope> lotuspsychje, cant remember.
[07:57] <CoderEurope> do I get to know where the error logs are , err , now ?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: lollypop seems like not supported in ubuntu repos
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: wich iso did you use? 16.04, 16.04.1 or .2 or .3?
[08:08] <marvinjoin777> 16.04.3
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: perhaps try a lower iso as a test? or the !nomodeset option
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> i was about to try the !nomodeset option
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> marvinjoin777: might be a too new kernel thing also
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> ill be back to see how it works, wish me luck
[08:09] <marvinjoin777> i see
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | marvinjoin777
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> CoderEurope: all logs are gathered in /var/log/...
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[08:17] <BlackDalek> can someone help me build a deb package of this emulator here - https://github.com/ColinPitrat/caprice32/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[08:20] <BlackDalek> I have got copy from github using git clone, but don't know how to get all the prerequisites nor how to actually start the build or what I enter into "make VERSION=<my_version_string>"
[08:21] <BlackDalek> what is <my_version_string> ?
[08:58] <CoderEurope> !nomir
[09:02] <oerheks> :-D
[09:16] <NoMiddle_> Hello, I've got to change group permission and group owner to /dev/vmnet8 on ubuntu 17.04. How can I fix them at boot?
[09:17] <tomreyn> better find out why you need to change them at all
[09:17] <tomreyn> are they not created properly in the first place, if so, why?
[09:18] <tomreyn> is the user trying to access it not in the right groups?
[09:18] <tomreyn> NoMiddle_: ^
[09:31] <NoMiddle_> tomreyn: yes, he couldn't because this /dev/vmnet8 has 0400 with group and ower root
[09:34] <NoMiddle_> I need to do that to use promiscous mode with esxi on vmware-workstation
[09:36] <tomreyn> NoMiddle_: then i'd say: look into how the device is created and modify that.
[09:37] <tomreyn> you may want to turn to a vmware support channel for further support (vmware is not in ubuntu)
[09:37] <NoMiddle_> But I ask to fix permission, not support for vmware
[09:45] <BlackDalek> can someone help me build a deb package of this emulator here - https://github.com/ColinPitrat/caprice32/blob/master/INSTALL.md
[10:36] <yoginth> hello
[10:37] <yoginth_> wazzup
[10:39] <cfhowlett> ubuntu support channel here, yoginth.
[10:39] <yoginth> what is the channel for no technical?
[10:40] <cfhowlett> !ot | yoginth
[10:42] <yoginth> how can i use IRC?
[10:43] <cfhowlett> you ARE using it
[10:43] <yoginth> when i close the window every messages were destroyed!
[10:43] <bazhang> yoginth, try #freenode
[10:43] <yoginth> how can i stay here like slack
[10:43] <yoginth> yeah im in freenode
[10:43] <bazhang> the channel yoginth
[10:43] <bazhang>  /join #freenode yoginth
[10:49] <tomreyn> this slack is broken!
[11:20] <_BIGSHOT_> 17.04 - there is screen tearing in dual monitor setup how to fix it?
[11:20] <_BIGSHOT_> intel nuc
[11:21] <ninstaah> Hello, to get intel wireless firmware, I install linux-firmware-nonfree, right?
[11:22] <Milonga> Hello! Has anyone had problems with the display not being recognised by X and therefore reverting to some default resolution?
[11:23] <tomreyn> ninstaah: linux-firmware, ubuntu is not debian
[11:24] <tomreyn> ninstaah: but there are more packages you might need. depends on your hardware.
[11:24] <tomreyn> i.e. get the PCI / USB ID
[11:25] <tomreyn> Milonga: no polls please. provide details if you are looking for a solution ot a specific issue.
[11:25] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: whic kkernel module is it using? i915?
[11:28] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: how to find it out? it is intel integrated graphics with intel nuc
[11:28] <ninstaah> tomreyn: oh, I am sorry - that linux-firmware package is installed (latest) and yet not wifi. How do I track down what wifi card is in it?
[11:30] <Milonga> Right, sorry, strange wording on my behalf. I'm looking for a solution, yes. X server is not supposed to need an xorg.conf file anymore right? I looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it loaded some generic display settings from the xorg.conf, so I removed it.
[11:31] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1
[11:31] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: Kernel driver in use: i915
[11:31] <Milonga> With no xorg.conf, the log said it didn't recognise my display or something?
[11:32] <tomreyn> ninstaah: sudo lspci -nn | grep -i net; sudo lsusb | grep -i net
[11:33] <tomreyn> Milonga: for basic operation with most hardware (suing open source drivers), you do not need to supply xorg.conf, that's correct.
[11:34] <ninstaah> tomreyn: seems like I only see my normal nic (00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-V [8086:1559] (rev 04)
[11:34] <tomreyn> Milonga: which hardware do you have there, and which ubuntu release?
[11:35] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: ?
[11:35] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/intel_graphics#Tear-free_video and (maybe) https://askubuntu.com/questions/764302/screen-tearing-on-kubuntu-16-04-with-intel-drivers
[11:36] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: which ubuntu release is it?
[11:36] <Milonga> tomreyn: I'm looking at a Samsung SyncMaster 940bw plus, and I'm using ubuntu studio, which might technically not be official?
[11:37] <tomreyn> Milonga: ubuntu studio is supported here. which graphics card?
[11:37] <_BIGSHOT_> tomreyn: it is kubuntu 17.04
[11:37] <Milonga> tomreyn: I'm using an Nvidia Quadro 4000
[11:38] <tomreyn> _BIGSHOT_: okay, then i have no furhter suggestions
[11:40] <tomreyn> Milonga: this command should tell you which driver is in use right now: sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1
[11:40] <tomreyn> Milonga: that's probably 'nouveau', but it could also be nvidia.
[11:41] <Milonga> I'm using Nvidia's proprietary driver
[11:41] <tomreyn> Milonga: which ubuntu release are you on? lsb_release -sd
[11:42] <tomreyn> ninstaah: sorry, i missed your reply. did you try botht eh lspic and the lsusb commoands?
[11:42] <Milonga> tomreyn: 16.04.3 LTS
[11:42] <tomreyn> * both the
[11:43] <tomreyn> * both the lspci and the lsusb command
[11:43] <ninstaah> tomreyn: yeah - it's an Intel NUC.
[11:43] <tomreyn> Milonga: sudo lspci -nn | grep -i VGA
[11:44] <tomreyn> ninstaah: can you post the output of 'sudo lsusb; sudo lspci -knn' to a pastebin, please?
[11:44] <tomreyn> !pastebin | ninstaah
[11:44] <Milonga> tomreyn: NVIDIA Corporation GF100GL [Quadro 4000] [10de:06dd] (rev a3)
[11:45] <ninstaah> tomreyn: sure, https://pastebin.com/J0gGw8DW
[11:46] <tomreyn> Milonga: can you confirm that running "sudo lspci -k | grep -A 8 VGA | grep Kernel | head -n1" returns "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"?
[11:46] <ninstaah> tomreyn: sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304217/
[11:46] <Milonga> It sure does
[11:48] <Milonga> tomreyn: or rather, "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau"
[11:51] <tomreyn> ninstaah: hmm i'm not sure which one of these would be the wireless really. can you show 'lsmod' as well? and maybe run 'sudo update-pciids' and 'sudo update-usbids' and then re-run the lspci and lsusb commands i provided earlier (and show their outputs again)
[11:52] <ninstaah> tomreyn: thanks - I am on it :)
[11:53] <tomreyn> Milonga: okay i don't think you're using the proprietary drivers then. if you want to use the proprietary ones you can install them using "ubuntu-drivers" on the command line or "additional drivers" from your desktop menu
[11:54] <tomreyn> Milonga: the easiest way to get to the graphical configuration utility is maybe to enter this in a terminal:  /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk --open-tab=4
[11:55] <tomreyn> Milonga: maybe show a screenshot of what it says there
[11:55] <Milonga> right, I'll give it a shot
[11:56] <Milonga> tomreyn: by the way, I used Nvidia's own installer for the driver.
[11:57] <tomreyn> Milonga: maybe thats why it doesnt work ;)
[11:57] <Milonga> :)
[11:59] <tomreyn> Milonga: if you want to dig deeper, also look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log (only those files that were written to today, use "ls -l /var/log/Xorg.*.log" to find out) and look for lines saying 'EE' or 'WW'
[12:00] <Milonga> tomreyn: The graphical configuration utility said I was using nouveau, so I switched just now to Nvidia's latest
[12:01] <tomreyn> Milonga: okay, you'll need to reboot then. if it doesn't work and you end up without a graphical desktop, do you know how to recover?
[12:01] <Milonga> tomreyn: I can google it on my phone if it comes to that
[12:02] <tomreyn> Milonga: either that or you could connect your phone to the chat and ask, or both. good luck.
[12:04] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I did what you adviced (here is lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304303/ ) - running the lspci and lsusb only gave me the other NIC (cable)
[12:07] <tomreyn> ninstaah: hmm you have the iwlwifi kernel module (driver) loaded, this is a wireless driver. can you check which device uses it ("Kernel driver in use : iwfwifi") in "lspci -knn" output?
[12:08] <ninstaah> tomreyn: It is not loaded
[12:08] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I did a modprobe on it earlier, that might be the reason its loaded?
[12:08] <Milonga> tomreyn: There we go! The resolution is back to normal. Thanks a million!
[12:10] <ninstaah> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304328/
[12:10] <tomreyn> ninstaah: yes, since 'cmoprobe X' loads kernel module 'X' that's probably why it is loaded ;)
[12:10] <tomreyn> ninstaah: yes, since 'modprobe X' loads kernel module 'X' that's probably why it is loaded ;)
[12:12] <ninstaah> tomreyn: right, sorry for misleading you a bit ;)
[12:13] <tomreyn> Milonga: welcome ;)
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: that's okay, i could have asked
[12:13] <SkyLord12345> Hello!/window 1
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: so you ran the update-... commands i pointe dout?
[12:13] <ninstaah> yeah, snapshot thingy and usb update
[12:13] <tomreyn> ninstaah: can i see the lsusb and lspci -knnv outouts again then?
[12:14] <ninstaah> sure sure
[12:14] <ninstaah> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25304342/
[12:15] <tomreyn> ninstaah: i'm not sure whether this is the very hardware you have (i bet there are several different intel NUCs with different components requiring different drivers) but the generic hint for a firmware update might be a good one:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/651462/wifi-connection-not-working-with-intel-nuc-wireless-ac-7620
[12:17] <tomreyn> i guess your wireless hides behind "00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 8 Series HECI #0 [8086:9c3a] (rev 04)"
[12:18] <ninstaah> tomreyn: right, but I dont understand what the point of your link is?
[12:18] <tomreyn> ninstaah: i'm suggesting to follow the instructions provided there to carry out a firmware upgrade, then reboot, which may help linux detect the right hardware
[12:19] <tomreyn> ninstaah: actually, there are no instructions for upgrading the bios there, it just says that you should, sorry
[12:20] <ninstaah> tomreyn: oh, no problem at all
[12:20] <tomreyn> so, yes, other than pointing this out the link was mostly useless
[12:21] <ninstaah> The BIOS is updated and this fine little NUC have had CentOS, Proxmox (ubuntu?) and Win8 on it without problems.
[12:21] <tomreyn> ninstaah: so wireless worked on centos ?
[12:22] <ninstaah> tomreyn: I appreciate your efforts
[12:22] <ninstaah> Yeah
[12:22] <ninstaah> 7.3 minimal
[12:22] <tomreyn> ninstaah: which ubuntu release do you have installed ther enow?
[12:22] <ninstaah> 17.04
[12:22] <ninstaah> budgie
[12:22] <tomreyn> (sorry if i asked before)
[12:24] <ninstaah> tomreyn: no worries, I just appriciate your help
[12:24] <tomreyn> can you try to find out the exact NUC model?
[12:24] <tomreyn> that would enable us to check its specifications, which would enable us to identify the correct driver
[12:25] <ninstaah> tomreyn:  D34010WYK
[12:25] <ninstaah> no
[12:25] <tomreyn> "no"?
[12:25] <ninstaah> I will take a screwdriver and check what card I put in the nuc
[12:25] <ninstaah> It's not a premade/bundle
[12:26] <tomreyn> oh its an addon-card, ok. also, you can check /var/log/syslog for any messages regarding the wifi
[12:27] <tomreyn> maybe what you installed there is just not compatible
[12:31] <ninstaah> tomreyn: Someone has stolen my wifi, lol!
[12:31] <tomreyn> the latest bios version for this discontinued intel product is WYLPT10H.86A version 0045
[12:31] <tomreyn> ninstaah: that might explain why it's not detected by ubuntu
[12:31] <tomreyn> maybe try centos again? ;)
[12:32] <ninstaah> haha, well It had a wifi card back then
[12:32] <ninstaah> It was used for a dev/lab task at work - someone might needed a wifi card for a laptop or whatever
[12:32] <tomreyn> i trust you there. so you're using this like an IoT device and leave it unattended in thepublic?
[12:33] <tomreyn> i see
[12:33] <ninstaah> Oh well, I am very sorry about wasting your time
[12:33] <ninstaah> Hopefully I provided you with a good laugh ;)
[12:33] <tomreyn> it's okay ;)
[12:33] <tomreyn> you sure did! a relieving laugh, too
[12:34] <arun007> !help
[12:36] <ninstaah> tomreyn: Yeah, me too actually - thank you so much anyway and have a great day!  Install old-style notification-daemon which parse html, but where is setting for position?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <harut> Hi
[14:29] <harut> Hi, I'm having trouble with background apps showing up in the panel on Ubuntu 17.04
[14:29] <harut> Pushbullet, Gmail notifyer etc. are apparently working but the icon doesn't appear
[14:31] <harut> nm there's a workaround
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> harut  glad i could help
[14:32] <harut> do you have a better workaround besides the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP thing?
[14:50] <CarlFK> I am sshed into a box.  I need it's display on to test it's hdmi output.  how do I wake up the screen saver ?
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> CarlFK  try with 'xdotool' ... xdotool click 1 (that's the number one, not the letter l)
[15:01] <madmanonmeds> I have ubuntu on a m5a99fx asus motherboard and the boot time is bad slow how do you check your hardware, the drivers
[15:01] <CarlFK> MonkeyDust: command not found - what package is it in?
[15:03] <geirha> !info xdotool
[15:04] <CarlFK> geirha: thanks .. I'll swear I tried that...
[15:05] <MonkeyDust> CarlFK  sudo apt install xdotool
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  try this http://paste.ubuntu.com/25305275/
[15:14] <madmanonmeds> invalid option on sudo
[15:14] <madmanonmeds> I don't know
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  what's the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[15:17] <madmanonmeds> no file or directory
[15:18] <gabrielc> madmanonmeds: lsb_release -a
[15:19] <madmanonmeds> gabrielc: in the terminal
[15:19] <gabrielc> madmanonmeds: yes
[15:21] <madmanonmeds> no command lsb found
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  mind the underscore _
[15:22] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  it's lsb_release -a
[15:22] <madmanonmeds> ok
[15:24] <madmanonmeds> no lsb modules are available
[15:24] <SkyLord12345> cat /etc/lsb-release
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  never used the terminal before?
[15:26] <madmanonmeds> no such file or directory
[15:26] <madmanonmeds> not much
[15:26] <ikonia> then reinstall
[15:26] <ikonia> if you are missing all these files - your OS is not a solid ubuntu install
[15:27] <madmanonmeds> ok i figured that much
[15:28] <madmanonmeds> I am not that used to the terminal, graphical user
[15:29] <SkyLord12345> Welcome to CLI word!
[15:29] <SkyLord12345> world
[15:29] <madmanonmeds> cli?
[15:30] <SkyLord12345> command line interface
[15:30] <madmanonmeds> well I have it up next to hexchat
[15:31] <madmanonmeds> I need the pdf up also on CLI
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> use man pages. Type in console - man ls
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> man mc
[15:32] <SkyLord12345> type letter q to exit from man
[15:35] <madmanonmeds> man mc doesn't have a entry
[15:36] <ikonia> I suspect you don't have mc installed
[15:36] <ikonia> or the fact that you're missing other key files, your machine may have a broken install
[15:36] <madmanonmeds> what is it
[15:36] <ikonia> hence "re-install"
[15:36] <ikonia> mc = midnight commander, a shell driven file manager
[15:38] <madmanonmeds> well I have 14.04 on another selection in boot up, but that is the disk i have,will need to download a new one
[15:40] <madmanonmeds> anybody know how to boot a second installed system beside the current running one
[15:41] <ikonia> you need to reboot and either a.) boot from the disk with the other system on it b.) use grub to select the other install
[15:42] <madmanonmeds> no that is not what i wanted, I want to boot patation magic next to ubuntu
[15:42] <ikonia> you don't want to use partition magic
[15:42] <ikonia> what are you trying to achieve ?
[15:43] <madmanonmeds> to stay on line while I wipe drive a
[15:44] <ikonia> is drive a holding your current install ?
[15:44] <Neepu> Hi. is there any software, equivilant to this in the linux world? https://github.com/kaklakariada/portmapper
[15:44] <ikonia> Neepu: what is it ?
[15:44] <madmanonmeds> no that is in sdb
[15:45] <ikonia> madmanonmeds: then install gparted
[15:45] <ikonia> or at worst use the command line if possible
[15:45] <BluesKaj> parttion magic is dangerous
[15:45] <ikonia> but again - your OS is probably broken, so use a livecd
[15:45] <madmanonmeds> oh I could make a mess then
[15:47] <MonkeyDust> madmanonmeds  sometimes it's better to start over, rather than trying to repair things ... make you sure you have backups
[15:48] <madmanonmeds> thanks I will have to quit, download, burn, wipe, partition, and install bye for a while.
[15:49] <madmanonmeds> oh I almost forgot backup
[16:07] <madmanonmeds> backup backup
[16:09] <arunkumar413> Do we have a gui based utility to install Ubuntu on USB stick
[16:12] <ikonia> arunkumar413: usb stick is just a hard disk
[16:15] <mdh> do you need a full install or just live-cd mode from USB?
[16:15] <ikonia> there is no "livecd mode"
[16:15] <ikonia> you can insall how you see fit
[16:17] <arunkumar413> Full install
[16:18] <ikonia> then do a full install
[16:18] <ikonia> just be aware it will not perform as well as a hard disk
[16:22] <madmanonmeds> time to reboot
[16:22] <madmanonmeds> bye for the rest of the day
[16:29] <fraktor> So I still cannot boot from the USB media I'm trying to make. I've used a couple different burners, and I still get the error message that says "error: file '/boot/' not found."
[16:34] <tomreyn> fraktor: chances are your downloaded image is corrupt
[16:34] <tomreyn> !md5
[16:35] <obadz> to update from 14.04 → 16.04, is it sufficient to put in the right entries in sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[16:36] <tomreyn> obadz: the official answer to this question is "no, use do-release-upgrade"
[16:36] <geirha> obadz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_14.04_LTS_or_15.10
[16:37] <obadz> do-release-upgrade is crashing, and I'm helping a friend remotely
[16:37] <obadz> he's getting these errors: https://askubuntu.com/questions/905481/not-getting-updates-from-update-manager-ubuntu-14-04/905629
[16:38] <fraktor> tomreyn: The hash matches up.
[16:38] <obadz> what will happen if he does dist-upgrade rather than do-release-upgrade?
[16:39] <melodie> is there someone talking/reading german here, who could tell me what a german review says : about a printer brand Epson, model EcoTank ET-4550? Here is the link, I'm very much interested to buy one (I can possibly get the VAT back + the 3 years warranty that's promoted until next year). Here is the link : http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2016/01/Buero-Tanker
[16:40] <melodie> (and hello!)
[16:40] <melodie> darn Hexchat didn't register my nick and password, so I missed my first entry and fell into "#ubuntu-unregistered" :-[
[16:41] <tomreyn> obadz: dist-upgrade with unmodified sources.list is fine. with modifuied sources.list it's a problem., it would be much better to fix the problems he has now before trying to do a release upgrade.
[16:41] <obadz> melodie: google translate?
[16:41] <tomreyn> obadz: alternatively, he could ijust do a new install of 16.04
[16:41] <obadz> tomreyn: 'unmodified' ?
[16:42] <fraktor> Perhaps it's worth mentioning that I'm booting in UEFI mode, since I actually can't change to Legacy boot.
[16:42] <tomreyn> obadz: unmodified, as in: all APT sources pointing to trusty
[16:42] <melodie> obadz, I try Translate Google, but, you know how unreliable?
[16:43] <melodie> obadz, a German user would be better to tell me if they say it works fine under a linux box
[16:43] <obadz> tomreyn: right, if I regenate a fresh sources.list with everything pointing to xenial using https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php, shouldn't that work?
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> !de
[16:45] <melodie> if I land in a German chan I won't be able to write in German. This helps not
[16:48] <tomreyn> obadz: work, how? i already stated that the only supported upgrade-mechanism is do-release-upgrade.
[16:48] <obadz> tomreyn: this mechanism tells him his computer is up to date
[16:49] <MonkeyDust> melodie  maybe they are willing to answer in english
[16:49] <melodie> MonkeyDust, ok, I can give it a try, thanks
[16:51] <tomreyn> obadz: i'm sorry but i don't like to support by proxy, it's already complicated enough to explain things to people directly. if you could get the person here i'll be happy to help.
[17:13] <Dbugger> Hi hi
[17:16] <aloo_shu> Ho ho
[17:21] <aloo_shu> errrh, my weak point.I had my mum (or others) singing it out whenever there was no way around sheet music
[17:21] <aloo_shu> sorry, wrong cat tab
[17:21] <aloo_shu> chat tab
[17:21] <aloo_shu> gone
[17:38] <yrmy> How do I add an icon for my bash script on the launch bar? It currently is only a question mark.
[17:41] <gabrielc> yrmy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[18:13] <spearman17> hi I have a question regarding installing opencv on ubuntu 17.04 (because a code I am trying to run requires cv2). I have downloaded the opencv-2.4.9.tar.gz and unpackaged it. I have also run cmake on it. what should I do next to complete my installation?
[18:19] <tomreyn> spearman17: you probably want to run 'make' to build the binaries from source code. i would not install this way, though.
[18:21] <ikonia> spearman17: why would you not have read the install instructions
[18:21] <yrmy> I managed to add a icon to a program, but when I run it starts in another window and appears to not have an icon (question mark).
[18:21] <ikonia> and why would you not use the ubuntu package ?
[18:42] <fuser> Is it possible to "apt search" for two strings, both of which should be in the name of the package?
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> fuser  try with two grep's in the search
[18:44] <fuser> MonkeyDust: do you mean to pipe to grep?
[18:45] <tomreyn> fuser: apt-cache search --names-only '(something|somethingelse).*(something|somethingelse)'
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> fuser  yes, but rather use one string and one grep
[18:45] <fuser> alright
[18:51] <tomreyn> oh it's actually even easier. you can provide multiple arguments which are AND combined
[18:51] <tomreyn> so this works fine: apt-cache search --names-only 'somethingelse' 'something'
[18:51] <tomreyn> order doe snot matter
[20:19] <lordl> Hi! Could you help me with something? I am trying to connect to a SSH server through an executable file written in C. It is using libssh-0.1. The source code has a function from libssh-0.1 named "ssh_getopt" and I have a problem with it. When I try to execute I get this error message: "/usr/sbin/sshd: symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/sshd: undefined symbol: ssh_getopt". How can I define that symbol?
[20:21] <MonkeyDust> lordl  i guess that question is more for a C channel
[20:21] <lordl> MonkeyDust, okay.
[20:24] <sammyg> do ssh clients support pasting?
[20:24] <oerheks> ctrl + shift  + V perhaps?
[20:24] <oerheks> as in gnome-terminal
[20:26] <fraktor> If you middle-click, it should just type that into the terminal, which would work over SSH. (I think.)
[20:26] <sammyg> this depends on the client or?
[20:26] <oerheks> yes, depends on the client i guess
[20:26] <sammyg> never mind, found it
[20:27] <sammyg> it's right click
[20:27] <oerheks> oke, no short-key?
[20:28] <sammyg> no, i'm using putty
[20:28] <sammyg> "putty's copy and paste works entirely with the mouse"
[20:29] <oerheks> it is good practice to mention putty right away, next time...
[20:31] <sammyg> yeah sorry about that, thanks though, oerheks
[20:31] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:35] <sammyg> is this where i put my web files in? /var/www?
[20:35] <sammyg> html, css, js, php, etc?
[20:36] <oerheks> Yes, that would be the 1st logical place.
[20:56] <Braden`> Hello!  I am using LibreOffice 5, and I am having a hard time getting my bullet points to appear the same size.  Has anyone ever encountered this problem?  I Google'd it (yes, as a verb), and it showed multiple methods of which none worked for me.  I would either end up with a bullet too big or too small (default bullets).  I need a size inbtetween.  Does anyone know how to accomplish this?
[21:04] <oerheks> Braden`, you might want to reask in #libreoffice too
[21:08] <oerheks> not sure what answer you got, Format>bullets & numbering (menu) should be the place to set that, but i don't see how?
[21:09] <oerheks> https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Adding_Bullets
[21:10] <[n0mad]> i don't really ever use it but i opened a doc and added a bullet list and they were all the same size
[21:10] <oerheks> There was an issue with saving as .odt or .doc , but that is fixed
[21:11] <smallfoot-> Why am I left with an old, outdated, insecure web browser?
[21:11] <oerheks> the libreoffice guys can surely answer this
[21:11] <smallfoot-> I am using Firefox 54 and it contains security vulnerabilites
[21:11] <smallfoot-> and Ubuntu have not given me the update to Firefox 55
[21:11] <oerheks> smallfoot-, firefox will be ready, soon.. it is just released, 3 days?
[21:11] <smallfoot-> what should do I do now that my Ubuntu system is open to hackers and terrorists?
[21:12] <smallfoot-> no its been released August 8
[21:12] <smallfoot-> its been well more than 3 days
[21:15] <oerheks> and it is holidaytime, so be patient. ( or join the firefox build team? )
[21:16] <gabrielc> smallfoot-: shut it down and disconnect it from the energy?
[21:16] <hggdh> smallfoot-: (1) restrict your usage; (2) disable javascript and java (if enabled); (3) do not go to unknown sites; (4) keep doing that even after upgrade
[21:18] <oerheks> or skip FF 55, go straight to 56 :-D
[21:18] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[21:24] <oerheks> hmm lots of updates, chromium and a kernel..<IP_ADDRESS>
[21:47] <wombat140> Hello  :-)
[21:48] <glitsj16> Hi wombat
[21:48] <wombat140> I'm having trouble with changing a mouse cursor.  Anyone able to help?
[21:49] <wombat140> if you wouldn't mind.
[21:50] <oerheks> unity-tweak-tool is a handy tool for that, changing mousecursors and such
[21:51] <wombat140> You need to get a special tool just to change the cursor?  :-|
[21:52] <oerheks> wombat140, yes?
[21:53] <wombat140> I thought I'd found out how to do it, but it hasn't worked right.   :-P
[21:54] <oerheks> you *could* do it manually, but that requires logout/login AFAIK, see http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-New-Cursor-Themes-in-Ubuntu-466821.shtml
[21:55] <oerheks> or in terminal: sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[21:55] <oerheks> but that gives no example preview
[21:57] <wombat140> Oh, I'm sorry, I've only just realised that I'm not supposed to be in here.
[21:58] <wombat140> I thought t was for Ubuntu in general.  It's hard to see the message from the Join Channel list.
[22:01] <wombat140> probably the answer mightn't even be the same in Zorin anyway.
[22:02] <wombat140> Thanks for trying, anyway!
[22:04] <wombat140> (the trouble was that I did do it manually, by excatly that method, but it's only showing the new cursor when the mouse is on the desktop and sometimes not then - in a window, it goes back to the old one.)
[22:05] <wombat140> (very odd.)
[22:06] <glitsj16> wombat140: probably you need to set the cursor theme for X as well, isn't all that odd..
[22:07] <oerheks> sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme # this should work for you too
[22:07] <wombat140> Ah!  I'll try that.  I haven't yet understood what themes are, I have to admit.
[22:08] <oerheks> try it, you can always cancel it with ctrl + c
[22:09] <wombat140> Is that what ctrl+c does?  I noticed it's not how you copy text in the terminal.
[22:10] <wombat140> (excuse ignorance, I've only had Linux since Thursday!)
[22:21] <wombat140> ...Hmm.  It's not on the list; neither are a lot of the other folders in /usr/share/icons, although they definitely do contain cursors and I can't see any differnece between them and the ones that do appear.  Why might that be?
[22:35] <Barones> any linux tool to create topology network diagram?
[22:37] <kk4ewt> dia??
[22:37] <kk4ewt> \
[22:38] <nemo> Barones: yeh, what he said
[22:39] <nemo> Barones: searched on a whim, and looks like some madman out there used graphviz
[22:40] <nemo> https://itsecworks.com/2012/03/16/networking-topology-with-graphviz/
[22:40] <Barones> thanks, I'll check dia out
[22:40] <nemo> I've definitely used graphviz for tons of automated graphs, like the insanity that is our interdependencies in Hedgewars
[22:40] <nemo> but never thought to try that ☺
[22:57] <wombat140> Anyone on the cursor themes question?  Can update-alternatives only display up to 7 options, or something?
[22:59] <oerheks> that command gives all available cursor thems, ask in #zorin?
[22:59] <oerheks> zorin has its own issues i guess
[23:02] <wombat140> #ZorinOS has been deserted all day.  Just have to wait for someone to reply on their forum, I suppose.  Thanks for the help, I've learned something new, anyway!
[23:28] <Kiicki> Hi, I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 14.0.3 and updated everything. I shared my "downloads" folder using samba. I made it writable and readable. I have another PC that runs Windows 10. I try to map the "downloads" folder to my Windows 10 which works, but it's not writable. I cannot edit or add anything. Is there something I forgot to do in Linux or is this a Windows issue? I also made it so everyone can access it
[23:28] <Kiicki> with samba.
[23:45] <betamarine> hey can anyone read this?
[23:46] <Sveta> hi yes betamarine :)
[23:46] <betamarine> thanks Sveta !
[23:47] <Sveta> no worries betamarine :)
[23:49] <Kiicki> I'm sure that Samba worked flawless before. Like 2 months ago probably. I gave it another shot today and "writable" just doesn't work
[23:59] <metalbiker> can anybody tell me why i'm not able to install gnome tweaks yet? i've been trying to install it for a while and it keeps saying that it can't find the repositories. i'm really missing my extensions.


[01:51] <litheum> is there a recommended method to completely disable a rule, persistent-net-generator under ubuntu in this case?
[02:54] <litheum> man, i am so far behind the times on this stuff, dang
[12:02] <JanC> litheum: that sounds like an udev question, not an upstart one  ☺
[12:02] <JanC> and how to override system-supplied udev rules is explained in /etc/udev/rules.d/README
[16:21] <litheum> JanC: yeah i wasn't sure if it was a udev question or upstart, but i do want to disable the upstart rule that is calling udev and i don't want to do anything to udev, so...
[16:23] <litheum> i guess i didn't understand well enough how things work to want to copy the file and edit it
[16:24] <litheum> if i don't want it to run at all, is that really the right approach?
[16:43] <JanC> I guess creating an empty udev rule with the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d/ would work
[16:44] <litheum> yeah this does sound more like a udev question, doesn't it :)
[16:44] <litheum> how about a different question that might be related to upstart!
[16:45] <litheum> i edited /etc/init/hostname.conf so that it sets the hostname based on the name of the VM it is running inside of
[16:45] <litheum> but i need /etc/init.d/vboxadd to be executed first... is there a way to make the upstart job depend on an old-school init script?
[16:47] <JanC> edit the SysV init script to emit an event, then depend on that event?
[16:47] <litheum> yeah, that's what i ended up doing
[16:48] <litheum> that seems really scary though if that script is just going to get overwritten if i install a new version of those tools at some point
[16:48] <JanC> and vbox has no hooks for this?
[16:50] <litheum> hooks for what, running scripts after the module is loaded?
[16:50] <JanC> yes?
[16:50] <litheum> i have no idea if it does that or not, but tearing the hostname out of upstart and tying it to some vbox hooks didn't really even enter my mind
[16:50] <JanC> I mean, emitting an event from such a hook
[16:51] <litheum> oh, right
[16:51] <litheum> well, i don't know about that. good suggestions
[17:55] <jMCg> hmmm... now that there are actually people here, maybe I should reepeat my question..
[17:55] <jMCg> 15:48:53 < jMCg> I'm looking for a better way to handle this: http://sprunge.us/IAiV
[17:56] <jMCg> 15:49:10 < jMCg> Because the results are just plain horrible (IMO): http://sprunge.us/WSdc
[18:01] <JanC> jMCg: why are they horrible?  (not sure what you are trying to do)
[18:02] <jMCg> JanC: the point is that I need the logger only during the startup, but it stays up and running for the whole runtime. I find that... wrong.
[18:02] <JanC> eh
[18:02] <jMCg> JanC: the problem is that expect daemon doesn't work.
[18:04] <JanC> so logger works as intended, right?  ☺
[18:04] <jMCg> JanC: what doesn't work as expected is upstarts fork tracing :-S
[18:04] <jMCg> Can it please just work automagickally?
[18:05] <jMCg> I mean.. how does SMF do this?
[18:05] <JanC> AFAIK that's a feature that's in the works
[18:05] <jMCg> I don't remember SMF ever once caring a. Oh. Right.
[18:05] <jMCg> Contracts.
[18:07] <jMCg> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=contract&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=SunOS+5.10
[18:08] <jMCg> That's a property all Solaris processes have which doesn't exist on Linux.
[18:14] <JanC> jMCg: how would that fix the logger issue?
[18:14] <JanC> also, can't you use start-stop-daemon for example?
[18:16] <JanC> also, you can probably do some logging in pre-/post- scripts
[18:16] <jMCg> JanC: the logging is only needed for startup -- and only in case of failure.
[18:16] <JanC> what does it need to log?
[18:17] <jMCg> JanC: the reason why it's failing to start, for instance.
[18:17] <jMCg> That kind of stuff is *reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaally* useful for debugging.
[18:17] <JanC> how did you do that with SysV init?
[18:18] <jMCg> JanC: I haven't used SysV init since there's upstart, and I haven't used this setup before.
[18:19] <broder> jMCg: it sounds like you're looking for https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/job-logging
[18:19] <JanC> broder: I doubt that will stop logging after startup?
[18:19] <broder> so?
[18:20] <JanC> that's what he wants, if I understand correctly?
[18:20] <JanC> to log startup failures, but not whatever else the application spews after that?
[18:21] <broder> it's still possible to get that information out of full job logging, though
[18:21] <broder> once job logging gets merged in, i could imagine extending it to "log everything until the job transitions to a running state"
[18:21] <broder> pretty easily, even
[18:23] <jMCg> broder: what I want is to be able to start httpd without -D NO_DETACH without upstart losing track of it.
[18:23] <jMCg> Oh.
[18:23] <JanC> he already gets that with logger now, although upstart job-logging would make it easier
[18:23] <jMCg> expect daemon expects two forks, my fancy pants setup has 3.
[18:27] <JanC> jMCg: there is some work being done about that, but in the mean time your job should work just fine?
[18:28] <jMCg> JanC: yup.
[18:28] <JanC> I mean, the thing you complained about has nothing to do with that  ;)
[18:28] <JanC> complained about first
[18:29] <jMCg> JanC: I'm not using expect daemon. I tried doing that, but it wouldn't work. Only now did I grasp why.
[18:31] <JanC> ah, yes, THAT is a known problem
[18:31] <JanC> IIRC there are several solutions for that planned  ☺
[18:37]  * jMCg strongly suggests implementing contracts in Linux.
[18:44] <JanC> jMCg: have any good link about that?  ☺
[18:45] <jMCg> JanC: aside from the docs I linked above, there's the OpenSolaris.. well.. OpenIndianna source code.


[21:02] <LeoNerd> bzr: warning: The commit message is a file name: ".bzrignore".
[21:02] <LeoNerd> Hah.. lovely


[02:37] <mbana> i don't know what to say about the state of firefox on linx
[02:37] <mbana> firstly
[02:37] <mbana> the new jit doesn't work on 64bitm achines
[02:38] <mbana> can't get the 32bit ver. working on 64bit machine
[02:38] <mbana> fonts are terrible
[02:38] <mbana> the whole browsing experienced has deteriorated badly
[02:39] <mbana> what ver. of FF is going to be in the the LTS release?
[05:44] <ccheney> anyone know if someone is working on getting chrome bookmark sync working with firefox (the same data)?
[06:03] <crimsun> mbana: the next LTS release is the current development one, 10.04, which will have 3.6
[12:40] <Milos_SD> Hi
[12:41] <Milos_SD> I see there is alpha 2 of Firefox 3.7
[12:41] <Milos_SD> and still it freezes with flash on a page... only workaroung is to set: dom.ipc.plugins.enabled to false
[12:53] <mbana> crimsun:
[12:53] <mbana> there's no point in releasing 3.6 with the lts release
[12:53] <mbana> the fonts are broken
[15:02] <Tallken> hey, I have random crashes on Firefox 3.6; I'd blame it on an update which came out in the last one or two weeks before the official release but it's just one of those impressions a guy has but can't prove... suggestions? GDB or something until it hangs and then do something which I hope will be documented somewhere?
[15:02] <Tallken> BUGabundo, my Firefox 3.6 has no  ipc.something
[15:04] <BUGabundo> strange Tallken
[15:05] <BUGabundo> what distro version ?
[15:05] <BUGabundo> $ firefox -g
[15:05] <BUGabundo> with gdb packags installed should get you a nice trace
[15:06] <Tallken> it hangs, doesn't crash, how do I tell gdb it hanged?
[15:06] <Tallken> BUGabundo, mozilla PPA, package Firefox-3.5 which is actually Firefox-3.6
[15:06] <BUGabundo> ctr+c or ctr+z
[15:07] <BUGabundo> Tallken: no, what ubuntu version ?
[15:07] <mahfouz> "firefox" is firefox-3.6
[15:07] <mahfouz> but firefox-3.5 is what it is
[15:07] <mahfouz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:09] <Tallken> Namoroka 3.6.2pre
[15:11] <Tallken> BUGabundo, 9.10
[15:13] <BUGabundo> Tallken: so your prob is from PPA?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> if you use archive or stable ppa does it work fine ?
[15:14] <Tallken> hum... disregard my first statement
[15:15] <Tallken> BUGabundo, at the moment I'm not sure
[15:16] <Tallken> I should have told "I'd blame it on an update which came out in the last one or two weeks before the official release but it's just one of those impressions a guy has but can't prove..." I should have used as a global time scale and not on a Firefox level
[15:16] <Tallken> cause around that time Namoroka started hanging more
[15:16] <Tallken> and went to Firefox-3.5 and it hanged as well
[15:16] <Tallken> but had addons so thought it was related
[15:16] <Tallken> so I confused myself
[15:17] <Tallken> so, disregard my first statement
[15:17] <Tallken> still, any advice about GDB would be nice :)
[15:21] <BUGabundo> Tallken: $ apt-cache policy firefox | pastebinit
[15:23] <Tallken> BUGabundo, http://pastebin.com/m32413f13
[15:28] <BUGabundo>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[15:28] <BUGabundo> weirds Tallken
[15:28] <BUGabundo> your package isn't in any place :\
[15:29] <BUGabundo>         500 http://ftp.dei.uc.pt karmic-updates/main Packages
[15:29] <BUGabundo> es tuga?
[15:29] <Tallken> ya :p
[15:55] <BUGabundo> MUAUAUA firefox 3.7a2 came out and broke all my addons :(
[16:05] <crimsun> mbana: is there a bug report open on that?
[16:05] <crimsun> mbana: also, "there's no point" is counterproductive. Why not help fix it?
[18:01] <kbrosnan> anyone with broken extensions on the trunk, please remember http://www.oxymoronical.com/blog/2009/11/Changing-the-checkCompatibility-preference


[07:15] <seb128> nicolasbock, could be the same as bug #1988315
[07:15] <seb128> nicolasbock, did you report the issue?
[11:24] <jbicha> seb128: we figured out in #ubuntu-next that things don't work well if you are using third party PPAs that modify gnome-settings-daemon etc. Getting rid of the PPAs fixed nicolas's issue
[12:01] <seb128> jbicha, hum, probably not the issue for Ken though
[12:02] <jbicha> yeah, Daniel's theory is that one of Ken's other extensions might be interfering
[12:04] <seb128> jbicha, but Ken said he had no custom extension enabled
[12:04] <seb128> only stock Ubuntu session it seems
[12:05] <jbicha> that's probably true. gsettings said he had more extensions but they likely wouldn't have been enabled because they wouldn't have had 43 in their metadata.json
[15:26] <doko> in kinetic, I'm trying to set the screen blank time from 5min to 15min, however the new value is never saved. switch to another config setting, and going back to "Power", the old value is shown again
[15:37] <jbicha> doko: that's a known gnome-control-center bug that will be fixed in 43~rc expected next week. bug 1988087
[16:05] <ogra> is the slution to get a second screen ?
[18:21] <genii> I'm on Bionic, exfatfsck version is 1.2.8, 1.3.0 onwards limited repair was introduced, should I try to compile the source from for instance Focal, or maybe a backport is already in the works
[19:14] <genii> ..well, for what it's worth, Focal's source package for exfat-utils-1.3.0-1ubuntu1 compiled and runs ok for me here on Bionic although of course lintian didn't like the resulting deb for various reasons
[19:17] <sarnold> lintian always has lots of opinions :)
[19:19] <genii> hah
[19:19]  * genii shoves the entire coffeepot in teward's direction
[19:20] <teward> *mass consumption of coffee consumes*
[19:21] <teward> anyone on the SRU team around to drop something into -proposed and review the SRU (first phase)?  Trying to fix torbrowser-launcher in Universe since it's been broken since Jammy thanks to Python 3.10 Strict Type Checking in commands.
[19:30] <rbasak> teward: isn't Browser window width/height really important for Tor users to remain anonymous?
[19:30] <teward> rbasak: yes, but the problem here is that the system pre python3.10 was working on implicit type casting
[19:31] <teward> i.e. if argument type is int, and given a float, it'll typecast it automatically.
[19:31] <teward> rbasak: the change here is just to use integer division prior to passing it in (the system already divides height/width by 2 or such) so it's an int being passed in instead of a float
[19:31] <teward> otherwise it's identical behavior where it'd be a lossy cast from float -> int
[19:32] <teward> you're right it's important for the anonymity but the launcher itself can't execute with the strict type checking in place
[19:32] <teward> so this was the (simplest) workaround that would work with the upstream code.
[19:32] <teward> and it looksl ike upstream doens't care but packagers should.
[19:34] <teward> my understanding of the code here is that it does basically the same thing - lossy conversion from a float to an int, retaining the same division/numbers in the launcher's init.
[19:34] <teward> but doing so by explicitly doing integer division to return an integer object to pass into gui.move() instead of a float
[19:34] <teward> in order to get around the strict type checking
[20:48] <rbasak> Sorry for the delay. I was in a meeting. Accepted now. Thanks!
[20:50] <nicolasbock> seb128: Yes it's fixed now. As jbicha said it was a rogue PPA :)
[21:49] <teward> rbasak: no worries :)
[21:49] <teward> rbasak: thank you kindly for the accept.  i tried to make sure this patch was as minimal as possible and as close to what pre-py3.10 was (implicit type casting vs. strict types)
[21:50] <teward> there's a lot of things that've broken with python 3.10 - old python versions and such break things when they introduce major changes.  Universe doesn't get the attention that Main does though :)
[23:15] <RikMills> bdmurray: hi. how do I get to the crash trace for this? https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/8bd96e8c-2540-11ed-97b9-fa163e993415
[23:21] <bdmurray> RikMills: Is this from a system under your control?
[23:22] <bdmurray> I ask as the oops you've pointed at doesn't look right
[23:22] <RikMills> bdmurray: no, it is popey's
[23:23] <RikMills> he had a crash when holding down volume key in KDE and that is all he could give me
[23:25] <bdmurray> RikMills: I'd expect to see a Problem key linking to a bucket in the Error Tracker we can see an example of this here https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/c3fede20-2a40-11ed-a628-fa163e55efd0
[23:25] <sarnold> that's much more like what I expected to see
[23:26] <RikMills> yeah, I was confused there was no way to the problem
[23:27] <RikMills> glad to know it is not me being dumb ;)
[23:27] <bdmurray> My guess would be that something happend to the core file
[23:29] <sarnold> none of the crashes from that system that I've looked at have a problem link
[23:29] <RikMills> ok, I guess we have to see if it happens again and hope for a better result?
[23:29] <bdmurray> or ask for the .crash file from the system to sort out what's going on
[23:31] <RikMills> ok, it is late here in the UK, so I think anything like that will need to wait until tomorrow. Thanks!