[00:07] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[02:09] <jrgifford> belkinsa, hey, did you email the ubuntu youth?
[02:16] <Unit193> Irccloud better than Trekweb, then?
[02:16] <jrgifford> Unit193: more of a convenience thing.
[02:19] <jrgifford> I wish there were more options for IRC on the mobile
[02:26] <Unit193> "Don't use adblock" they said, "It steals money out of the site owners pocket" they said... You can't reaking use sites without it anymore, what's wrong with them??
[02:28] <yano> you need more than adblock now-a-days anyways
[02:28] <yano> https://gist.github.com/myano/7360670
[02:28] <jenni> [ firefox_privacy_suggestions.md ] - https://j.mp/1bavkSp
[02:38] <jrgifford> Eh. I settle for AB+, ghostery and the occasional /etc/hosts based-blocking.
[02:38] <jrgifford> that, and dumping cookies every night.
[02:53] <skellat> .nws 44004
[02:53] <jenni> Lake Effect Snow !WARNING! issued November 22 at 9:27PM EST until November 24 at 7:00PM EST by NWS
[02:53] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Ashtabula, OH, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=OHC007 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[02:53] <skellat> Oh joy!
[03:08] <yano> you guys should -c the channel \o/
[03:08] <yano> and you can get the pretty colours you would see in ##weather-us-oh
[03:17] <skellat> yano: I'll have to think about that
[03:19] <yano> skellat: cool
[03:28] <Unit193> I support Yano.
[03:28] <Unit193> jrgifford: Yep, ghostery+abe
[03:28] <jrgifford> .nws 44118
[03:28] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for Cleveland, OH.
[03:28] <jrgifford> really...
[03:29] <jrgifford> i would have thought that we'd get the same weather you do, for the most part.
[03:29] <yano> .nws KCMH
[03:29] <jenni> yano: ZIP is invalid.
[03:29] <yano> oh derp
[03:29] <yano> .nws 43210
[03:29] <jenni> There are no active watches, warnings or advisories, for Columbus, OH.
[03:29] <Unit193> Temp: 34 F (1 C) ~ Overcast ~ Windchill: 25 F (-4 C) ~ Humidity: 75% ~ Observed: Fri 22, 21:52
[03:30] <Unit193> Hrmmm.... Colors.
[03:31] <yano> you mean colours \o/
[03:31] <yano> :-P
[03:47] <yano> i think there are a few other things that might use bold
[13:45] <belkinsa> jrgifford: I did, why?
[16:22] <jrgifford> belkinsa: anything I can do to help? I'm familiar with the ubuntu yuth group
[16:23] <belkinsa> Not at the moment, but once Ubuntu Women (as a team) figures something out, I will tell you (and the team also).
[16:31] <jrgifford> ok
[18:34] <TheMaster> IT'S SNOWING!
[18:34] <TheMaster> Annnnd not a one got that reference. :)
[18:35] <belkinsa> And I have came at the wrong time.  :)
[18:35] <gilbert> not snowing here :)
[18:35] <belkinsa> Same.
[18:39] <TheMaster> gilbert: I'm sorry for you.
[19:57] <skellat> Tonight's meeting agenda has been updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OhioTeam/MeetingAgenda2013-11
[19:57] <jenni> [ OhioTeam/MeetingAgenda2013-11 - Ubuntu Wiki ] - https://j.mp/1h2pzsJ
[20:21] <jrgifford> it stopped snowing here. :(
[20:23] <TheMaster> Temp: 27 F (-3 C) ~ light snow mist ~ Windchill: 14 F (-10 C) ~ Humidity: 80% ~ Observed: Sat 23, 15:03
[20:32] <belkinsa> skellat, thanks.  I didn't know what to put there.
[23:25] <TheMaster> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2189707&goto=newpost poop.
[23:25] <jenni> [ Forum and Discourse ] - https://j.mp/Im5oIx
[23:39] <belkinsa> I started the 'Where in Ohio do you Hail from" topic: http://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/where-in-ohio-do-you-hail-from/1257
[23:39] <jenni> [ Where in Ohio do you hail from? - Ubuntu Discourse ] - https://j.mp/Im680n
[23:39]  * TheMaster isn't into Discourse.
[23:40] <belkinsa> Heh, same here...Not really a forum person, but I will echo stuff when needed.


[00:03] <Quintasan> ulysses__: we can't upload to karmic now, only lucid :S
[00:04] <ulysses__> :(
[00:04] <Daskreech> DanaG: not at this point
[00:06] <ulysses__> Good night
[00:07] <Quintasan> ulysses__: night
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> Well, that fixed the phonon dependency
[02:13] <kallecarl> Is nixternal on?
[02:19] <nixternal> gotta stay for more than 4 minutes
[02:20] <JontheEchidna> dudes, source format 3.0 support is in the hizzouse
[02:22] <nixternal> dudes and dudettes to be a bit more pc :p
[02:26] <ScottK> whoa.  crimsun.  Long time no see!
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> At least I got to do this in debian/changelog: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/1.2.1-1ubuntu1
[02:40] <ScottK> Nice
[02:50] <ScottK> There it is.
[02:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What package is this needed as a build-dep for?
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: It is needed as a runtime dependency for all KDE packages using PolicyKit-1
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> well, they could use policykit-1-gnome too if they so chose, but yeah
[02:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I was afraid it was needed for a kdelibs build-dep or something.
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> That's in polkit-qt-1, all sorted
[02:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> btw, I updated the dep graph too
[02:55] <ScottK> Nice
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> after I got kdepimlibs from not dragging in kdebase-runtime
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> *from dragging in
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> actually, that sentence makes no sense
[02:56] <ScottK> Source looks good.  Building now so I can do binary New quickly when it comes.
[02:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I totally understood it.
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> eh, maybe I'm looking in to it too much :P
[02:57] <ScottK> I agree it didn't make sense, but I could extract the sense from context.
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> I do wish graphviz could throw a few of the kdelibs deps on the other side of the chart, instead of making it super wide
[03:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[03:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Build-deps need a bit of work though.
[03:06] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: cmake looks for polkit-gobject-1>=0.95', but you don't build-dep on it.  This works because polkit-agent-1 does depend on it, but your shouldn't rely on indirect depends.
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> kk
[03:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Second, all three of the polkit packages require a minimum version of 0.95 in cmake, but you don't version the build-dep.
[03:07] <ScottK> So the buildds will think it's buildable on karmic, but then cmake will fail.
[03:08] <ScottK> So all three should be versions.
[03:08] <ScottK> verions/versioned.
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> At least for libpolkit-qt-1-dev, it doesn't exist in either karmic or lower that 0.95~svnblah
[03:08] <ScottK> Other than that, really good.
[03:08] <ScottK> OK, well I'd put it in there anyway, it may be somewhere.
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> worth a (sponsored) upload now?
[03:14] <ScottK> No.
[03:14] <ScottK> Actually, yes.
[03:14] <ScottK> This is the time to get it right.
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f1dd1f0ec
[03:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Ready to go for after I accept the binaries
[03:20] <ScottK> (we don't want them to fail to upload)
[03:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted and in Main.  In ~83 minutes they should be available.
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> whee
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> this unblocks packagekit from not being able to update
[03:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ubuntu2 uploaded.
[03:24] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:29] <ScottK> Weird.  Went into New again.  I guess it needs a publisher run first.
[03:30] <ScottK> Accepting again ....
[03:34] <ScottK> Done.  Back later.
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: for the MIR bug, it is actually split from -workspace
[05:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please edit it then.
[05:08]  * ScottK just got back from driving in the 'winter storm' and it was NOT fun.
[05:16] <nixternal> ScottK: I just got back from driving in our winter storm, and it was a ton of fun :)
[05:28] <crimsun> this place shuts down with an inch of snow
[06:24] <ScottK> The snow tonight was particularly slick near my house and I was driving a 1991 Volvo 240 with bad tires.
[14:28] <ScottK> ryanakca: I fixed bangarang so it builds in Ubuntu.
[15:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: as in on Karmic?
[15:33] <ScottK> ryanakca: Lucid
[15:33] <ScottK> It failed to build.
[15:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: Oh, what was wrong? It initially built here in my schroot (I think so anyways)...
[15:34] <ScottK> For KDE 4.4, it needs to build-dep on shared-desktop-ontologies.
[15:34] <ryanakca> Ah
[15:34] <ScottK> I dont think we had 4.3.80 yet when you were testing it.
[15:34] <ryanakca> No
[15:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: I assume I'll need to make the same changes in Debian once shared-desktop-ontologies appears there?
[15:35] <ScottK> ryanakca: You will once 4.4 is in Unstable.
[15:36] <ScottK> (which implies shared-desktop-ontologies)
[15:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, thanks
[15:36] <ryanakca> Where can I find the ktorrent packaging branch?
[15:36] <ryanakca> bug 498524 looks easy enough to fix...
[15:37] <ryanakca> lp:ubuntu/ktorrent ?
[15:42] <Quintasan> ryanakca: nah, you probably need kdenetwork source
[15:42] <Quintasan> ryanakca: apt-get source ktorrent
[15:48] <ryanakca> Quintasan: thanks
[15:48] <Quintasan> ryanakca: no problem
[16:20] <Mamarok> apachelogger: about that glib bug: it's getting worse and worse: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219289
[16:20] <Mamarok> it seems to affect so many apps that this could well be exploited if it is not backported soon
[16:20] <Mamarok> cjwatson is not online these days, I pinged doko, let's hope this will get sorted out soon
[16:21] <Mamarok> Riddell: please see above ^^
[16:22] <Mamarok> (besides the very strange English in that bug, it really worries me a lot)
[16:22] <maco> bit of a wait for a response. he's out on what is apparently the biggest river in the UK, canoeing
[16:23] <ScottK> That shouldn't take long.
[16:24] <Mamarok> maco: well, we already talked to cjwatson who promised to talk to doko, but I have no news and this is a really big problem, crahes Amarok, Phonon and a few other KDE apps, so this needs to be fixed ASAP
[16:25] <maco> yikes
[16:25] <maco> ScottK: what?
[16:26] <ScottK> maco: UK isn't that big.  How big a river can it be.
[16:26] <Mamarok> ScottK: I only know the Thames
[16:27] <Mamarok> also, the bigger the river, the faster it flows, no?
[16:27] <ScottK> No.  The steeper.
[16:27] <maco> River Tay
[16:30] <Mamarok> hm, from the amount of water contributed the river just 30 km away is the potential biggest in Europe, it just get's renamed to Rhine later
[16:51]  * ScottK always thought it was either Rhine or Danube.
[16:53] <ghostcube> uk got rivers o.O
[16:53] <ghostcube> heh
[16:54] <ghostcube> its like to say netherlands have hills
[16:54] <Sput> Mamarok: mh, afaik the glibc bug is fixed upstream
[16:54] <Sput> plus you can just unset the MALLOC_CHECK_ variable...
[16:56] <ScottK> Next one sees Lex79, please mention that kdenlive could really use a merge.
[16:57] <Mamarok> Sput: yes, I know, that's why I want it backported ASAP
[16:58] <Mamarok> and don't expect end users to change that, this needs to be backported to Karmic, sick of these bug reports, this can't wait till Lucid
[17:51] <maco> Sput: quassel is doing something weird right now
[17:51] <maco> it showing nixternal and nixternal_ in this channel, and it can tab complete both of those nicks
[17:52] <maco> however, if i double click on nixternal_ and send him a message, i get back "no such nick/channel nixternal_" so i think quassel is showing me non-existent users
[17:52] <Sput> yes, that's a known and worked-on bug in the netsplit detection
[17:52] <maco> ok
[17:53] <DaskreeCh> Well if you ping nixternal_ that would be a defacto contentless ping
[17:56] <maco> hahahah i have my mic lying on the bed and the cat is propping herself up and making noises into it
[17:58] <DaskreeCh> Groooowl
[18:14] <ScottK> Lex79: kdenlive could use a merge.
[18:16] <Lex79> ScottK: you meant I have to do kdenlive merge?
[18:17] <ScottK> Lex79: You don't _have_ to, but you did touch it last.
[18:17] <Lex79> oh ok :)
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> kopete indicator patches are breaking the compile :(
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> and not an agateau in sight
[18:21] <ghostcube> :)
[18:22] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: got a pastebin of what broke?
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/343906/
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe that whole patch can go
[18:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: My advice is drop them for now and mail agateau.  I'm sure he'll update them when he's $working.
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> looks like he plans to move the kopete plugin to extragear
[18:28] <ejat> kopete-facebook <-- also break for kde sc 4.4 beta 1
[18:36] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: from what I can see, the part of the patch that adds the showCloseWindowMessage and shouldExitOnclose are not neede anymore
[18:37] <shtylman> kde trunk has that code already
[18:37] <shtylman> not sure which version we are patching against though
[18:39] <shtylman> [13:36] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: from what I can see, the part of the patch that adds the showCloseWindowMessage and shouldExitOnclose are not neede anymore
[18:39] <shtylman> [13:37] <shtylman> kde trunk has that code already
[18:39] <shtylman> [13:37] <shtylman> not sure which version we are patching against though
[18:39] <shtylman> didn't realize you left the channel :)
[20:18] <Quintasan> Lex79: you are doing kdeutils?
[21:28] <Mamarok> pretty, please?
[21:28] <Mamarok> there's already enough work we usual support, no need to force people with Qt 4.6 problems on us :(
[21:31] <DaskreeCh> Mamarok: Welcome to the New FOSS where shiny is in and reading what the shiny will do to your baby is out
[21:32] <ScottK> People install from the staging repo where is says "DO NOT INSTALL".
[21:32] <Mamarok> yeah, I know, it's just tiring
[21:33]  * ScottK can understand that.
[21:33] <DaskreeCh> Mamarok: I think that people are more willing to listen when they are burned. I tend to try and get people to be more responsible then
[21:33] <Mamarok> gah, I don't know what is worse, people with 8.04 who want to install Beryl or those with the Qt 4.6 problems...
[21:33] <claydoh> a little bit of s disclaimer would be useful in the future, though I am not seeing any complaints in the forum on it, problems perhaps,  but no one griping :)
[21:33]  * ghostcube does install from staging too ...
[21:33] <DaskreeCh> Oh you lost all of your files? Hmm did you make a backup before trying the beta file system as we said? no Hmm well you know this is exactly why we said that.
[21:34] <Mamarok> we should put 10 windows in between with big flashy warnings, then abort the install and they need to get a special permission from us to unlock
[21:34] <DaskreeCh> ghostcube: There is a difference in responsibilty.
[21:34] <DaskreeCh> It's like people upgrading to KDE 4.X+1
[21:34] <DaskreeCh> backup your ~/.kde
[21:35] <DaskreeCh> Ok!
[21:35] <ghostcube> :)
[21:35] <Mamarok> oh noes, not java again... can somebody help Pavel, please?
[21:35] <DaskreeCh> in two days. My stuff doesn't work anymore and Plasma crashes a lot so I"m back on KDE 4.x and my apps don't remember my settings
[21:35] <DaskreeCh> did ya backup ~/.kde ?
[21:36] <ghostcube> me ?
[21:36] <DaskreeCh> well that's why we said back it up
[21:36] <ghostcube> oh in general :D
[21:36] <ghostcube> heh too late here ...
[21:37] <DaskreeCh> Mamarok: I think that perhaps what we should do is have a release that first speaks of the problems, then the precautions that should be taken then the announcement something new is out then how to get it
[21:37] <DaskreeCh> our version of Click here to agree to the EULA
[21:37] <nixternal> would it be wrong of me to use my blog, post to the planet, that I am looking for some work? :)
[21:38] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Is it FOSS related work?
[21:38] <Mamarok> nixternal: others have done that before you, why not? Just keep it decent :)
[21:38] <nixternal> DaskreeCh: I only work in floss
[21:39] <Mamarok> nixternal: go on I would say
[21:39] <nixternal> I can't work for proprietary companies any more...it is way to much work
[21:39] <Mamarok> yep, neither can I, drives me mad
[21:39] <DaskreeCh> I wouldn' have a problem with it. I think that more devs should post when they have jobs available
[21:40] <nixternal> I don't even put down on my resume that I contracted for MS :)
[21:40] <nixternal> in 2005/2006 when I first started working on Kubuntu, I was doing so from a nice comfy office at MS :)
[21:40] <ghostcube> who wants to throw the first cookie ...
[21:41] <Mamarok> wow, nixternal, you worked for MS?
[21:41] <Mamarok> isn't that what Miguel always wanted?
[21:41] <nixternal> unfortunately so
[21:41] <nixternal> Miguel did work at MS
[21:41] <nixternal> where do you think he came up with the idea to create GNOME? :p
[21:42]  * Mamarok suspects he still gets a paycheck
[21:42] <nixternal> or I thought he worked at MS when he created/founded GNOME
[21:42] <crimsun> he isn't the only one.
[21:42] <nixternal> well, MS has been paying quite a few of Novell's largest bills :)
[21:42] <nixternal> MS was Novell's government with a bailout plan
[21:42] <nixternal> crimsun: didn't miguel work for ms then?
[21:42] <Mamarok> no, he applied and was turned down, that's the funny part of it :)
[21:43] <crimsun> I think so, but I didn't and don't know him
[21:43] <Mamarok> crimsun: officially he didn't
[21:44] <Mamarok> from wikipedia: "In summer of 1997, he was interviewed by Microsoft for a job in the Internet Explorer Unix team (to work on a SPARC port), but lacked the university degree required to obtain a work H-1B visa"
[21:45] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Neither does Miguel so I guess it's a wash
[21:46]  * DaskreeCh catches up and sees that the obvious was already pointed out :)
[21:46] <nixternal> oh, ok I thought he did work for them
[21:46] <DaskreeCh> He has the same kind of view that I have that MS is a fantastic Tech company
[21:46] <nixternal> imbrandon and I worked at MS at the same time :)
[21:47] <DaskreeCh> He just belittles the crazy Insiduios culture and the legal side of MS
[21:47] <crimsun> DaskreeCh: it is. It continues to have the incredible R&D machine.
[21:47] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: It depends on if you define working for them as getting paid :)
[21:47] <nixternal> haha, true
[21:47] <DaskreeCh> crimsun: That's why I said it's A fantastic tech company
[21:48] <nixternal> miguel is a cool dude though, I just have fun poking fun at him
[21:48] <nixternal> no matter what he does now, he has done a lot for the open source world, so he has my respect
[21:48] <DaskreeCh> The MS "vision of the future" videos always make me laugh my ass off cause theyare so unrealistic either from a Technical or a logistic stand point but they do actaully have a mind for future stuff like that and try to make it
[21:49] <nixternal> imagine if we followed everything that RMS spewed or that boycottnovell put out...half of us wouldn't be online because our broadcom's would be biting us in the asses :)
[21:49] <DaskreeCh> And regardless of FOSS ideals somethings are better trashed out in closed circles than being engeineered by the world at large
[21:50] <DaskreeCh> but the full control from start to end is just really something I can't stomach much and I hate the way they always turn to tearing others to shreds publically when they can't compete
[21:50] <nixternal> I will say this though about Windows 7....finally MS got it, and they created a product that doesn't bug me with slowness...my new desktop has it on there, and it is pretty fast and usable
[21:50] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: best Windows Evar!!!!
[21:50] <nixternal> I couldn't say that about Vista, XP was good, but it was so 1990s
[21:50] <DaskreeCh> So it's one above the rank ladder of best Cholera ever now
[21:51] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Xp wasn't good it was better than Windows 95
[21:51] <nixternal> this is the first time I have really used windows, though I might only touch it for like 1 to 2 hours a week...the last time I used windows was windows 2000, and that was so I could play q3, counter strike, and some other game that I totaly forgot its name
[21:53] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Still anonys me that it's less secure than Vista by design and I think I can leverage that to hold out a disparaging taste for it :)
[21:54] <nixternal> I will say, the MS Security Essentials is better than any anti-* I have ever witnessed...it doesn't hog resources and it gets the job done well...oh and it is free
[21:55] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: That's why they got sued :)
[21:55] <nixternal> I don't pay attention to their news..unless it is on lwn, lxer, or one of the planets
[21:56] <DaskreeCh> nixternal: Well in short when they said they were making Vista more secure and the ywould have a MS Antimalware suite all the securoty guys freaked
[21:57] <DaskreeCh> With a secure MS OS and one that works by understanding how the system works and not just trying to get another subscription next year MS can singly handly kill an entire industry
[21:57] <DaskreeCh> Which I find overtly amusing
[22:58] <DaskreeCh> We don't have QtParted anymore do we? It's mentioned in the Wikipedia page
[23:06] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[23:06] <DaskreeCh> !info qtparted
[23:06] <apachelogger> at some point partitionmanager will sure eat it
[23:06] <DaskreeCh> !info partitionmanager
[23:06]  * DaskreeCh corrects wikipedia
[23:07]  * apachelogger thinks that qtparted should just be retired in favor of partitionmanager
[23:07] <DaskreeCh> It has it seems
[23:12] <apachelogger> DaskreeCh: I mean globally
[23:12] <apachelogger> eject qtparted from all distros and replace it with partitionmanager
[23:16] <DaskreeCh> apachelogger: again based on what I'm seeing from the partitionmanager discussions basically distros that haven't been updated since about KDE 4.0 ship with Qtparted everyone else ships with at least some mix
[23:18] <apachelogger> oh ok
[23:18] <_Groo_> hi apachelogger
[23:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you take a look at bug 498608 and 498612
[23:19] <_Groo_> thanks ubottu ;) nice bot!
[23:20] <apachelogger> didnt Lex79 wanna take a look at em?
[23:20] <_Groo_> dont know
[23:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i just opened the bug reports since i cant do squat
[23:20]  * apachelogger pretty much thinks so
[23:20] <_Groo_> btw are you guys doing the beta2 packages yet? i miss my kwin 3d :P
[23:20] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you could provide debdiffs I can upload :P
[23:21] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: you lost #d?
[23:21] <DaskreeCh> 3D?
[23:21] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: yeah its broken in beta 1, kwin cant activate 3d with radeon and mesa 7.7/7.8
[23:22] <Lex79> apachelogger: maybe tomorrow I can look, I want also merge with debian
[23:22] <_Groo_> Lex79: thanks lex...
[23:22] <apachelogger> Lex79: okies :)
[23:23] <Lex79> no problem
[23:23] <_Groo_> what about virtuoso, anyone taking care of that?
[23:23] <Quintasan> _Groo_: we need to wait for 6.0.1 to be released
[23:23] <Quintasan> 6.0 won't work with 4.4
[23:23] <_Groo_> oh btw, (sorry for so many questions), is the phonon package with equalization suport making into lucid?
[23:23] <apachelogger> always this waitery
[23:24] <_Groo_> Quintasan: cant we release a 6.0+git until 6.0.1 is out?
[23:24] <Quintasan> oh damn I going to bed, I wanted to do more but I'm not thinking clearly
[23:24] <Lex79> apachelogger: when you got a second, I need ack here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/colibri
[23:24] <Quintasan> _Groo_: 6.0 is in ninjas repo but really no point in releasing it
[23:24] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: Ah ok I lost it but my secondary account had it working fine. I don't know why
[23:25] <DaskreeCh> Quintasan: Any release schedule for that?
[23:25] <_Groo_> Quintasan: can i take a look? i might be able to backport the necessary patches if i have the time
[23:25] <DaskreeCh> Quintasan: having 6.0 not even on the main page is a little depressing
[23:25] <_Groo_> Quintasan: whats th ninja repo url?
[23:25] <Quintasan> hurr
[23:25] <DaskreeCh> apachelogger: Waitery?
[23:26] <apachelogger> wait +ery
[23:26] <apachelogger> :D
[23:26] <Quintasan> DaskreeCh: duuno about the release schedule, check virtuoso home page for it but it doesnt say anything AFAIK
[23:26] <Lex79> _Groo_: it's a private repo
[23:26] <Quintasan> DaskreeCh: and 6.0 is really useless now unless someone needs it for something else than Nepomuk
[23:26] <_Groo_> Lex79: ¬¬ figures
[23:26] <DaskreeCh> Quintasan: I know. It doesn't I looked. I'm wondering if waiting is a good idea
[23:27] <_Groo_> Quintasan: isnt 5.0 working with 4.4?
[23:27] <Quintasan> _Groo_: try compiling it :)
[23:27] <Quintasan> DaskreeCh: if I had to choose between waiting and compiling 5.0.2 I'd rather wait
[23:28] <_Groo_> Quintasan: is it java based?
[23:28] <DaskreeCh> Quintasan: Agreed. I'm just saying that we should probably have a cutoff date if we want to do testing
[23:28] <Quintasan> _Groo_: beats me, when I saw the source I was like "lol WTF is this"
[23:29] <_Groo_> Quintasan: im quite good in slapping misbehaved code into submission, im gonna take a look this christmas then
[23:32] <_Groo_> btw boys, any eta for beta 2? next week maybe?
[23:32] <DaskreeCh> _Groo_: Checked the KDE release Schedule ?
[23:33] <DaskreeCh> They normally don't miss by more than two days
[23:33]  * apachelogger is thinking about going on vacation from floss
[23:33] <_Groo_> DaskreeCh: no, not the release.. they tagged beta 2 already, i mean the ppa packages so i can update :)
[23:34] <Quintasan> _Groo_: good luck then
[23:35] <_Groo_> Quintasan: just out of curiosity, i know you rock , im just curious to see the mess that virtuozo is
[23:36] <Quintasan> I wanted to puke just by looking at rules required for building :DD
[23:38] <DaskreeCh> Mamarok: is there a known java6 issue?
[23:38] <Quintasan> _Groo_: I can assure you it is safe to assume I was too lazy to get it done :P
[23:38]  * DaskreeCh slowly sticks one toe in to test that assumption
[23:39] <_Groo_> Quintasan: btw are the kubuntu package rules already adressing the qt 4.6 stupidity in forcing tests for every compile? or i need to patch each and every cmakelist by hand?
[23:40] <Quintasan> _Groo_: beats me, Qt uses tests? I haven't seen anything like this when using cdbs with pkg-kde-tools
[23:41] <_Groo_> Quintasan: now with qt 4.6 it does... try to compile rekonq or anything else..
[23:41] <Quintasan> I will do it tomorrow
[23:41] <Quintasan> hurr it's tomorrow already here
[23:42]  * Quintasan calls it day
[23:42] <Quintasan> Good night Ladies and Gentleman :P
[23:45] <_Groo_> Quintasan: seeya quintasan
[23:47] <DaskreeCh> Night
[23:47] <ScottK> _Groo_: Tests are a good thing.
[23:49] <_Groo_> ScottK: not when they break every single package build :P
[23:49] <ScottK> Then either the test or the build is broken and should be fixed.
[23:50] <_Groo_> ScottK: do you guys have any documentation or custom builds? cause qt 4.6 is new in many aspects for me
[23:51]  * ScottK doesn't


[00:06] <dr_jkl> hum.
[00:07] <dr_jkl> my brightness keys do not work. if i add 'acpi_osi=!' to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT, the buttons work because I see the OSD for the brightness slider, but it doesn't actually _do_ anything...
[00:08]  * dr_jkl considers where to go from here
[00:27] <dr_jkl> aha, i know why it doesn't work. i just don't know what to do about it
[00:46] <dr_jkl> i was able to get my machine's brightness keys working by passing 'acpi_osi=' via grub but now, on my system i have acpi_video0 and intel_backlight in /sys/class/backlight. and the brightness keys are trying to manipulate acpi_video0 and not intel_backlight...
[00:46] <dr_jkl> hmm.
[00:48] <dr_jkl> if i use acpi_backlight=video i get the same thing, acpi_backlight=vendor gives me a totally new additional path instead of acpi_video0 *and* the brightness keys don't work...
[00:48] <dr_jkl> i have a feeling i am missing something silly.
[01:03] <zacwalls> trying to connect a nook 1.7.0 to xubuntu 13.04 and it doesn't recognize nook as a device. what do you suggest i do?
[01:03] <dr_jkl> lsusb doesnt see it?
[01:04] <zacwalls> yws
[01:04] <zacwalls> yes
[01:04] <dr_jkl> it does?
[01:04] <dr_jkl> or it doesn't
[01:05] <zacwalls> it will charge
[01:05] <zacwalls> only
[01:05] <dr_jkl> this may sound silly but have you tried a different usb cable?
[01:05] <zacwalls> no
[01:05] <dr_jkl> try that first
[01:05] <zacwalls> okay i will be back soon
[01:11] <zacwalls> dr_jkl
[01:11] <zacwalls> hi i try and same
[01:12] <dr_jkl> does dmsg show you trying to plug in the device?
[01:12] <zacwalls> no
[01:12] <dr_jkl> you using the front usb ports on your machine or the rear?
[01:12] <zacwalls> front
[01:13] <dr_jkl> try a rear port
[01:13] <zacwalls> okay
[01:13] <dr_jkl> then check lsusb
[01:13] <zacwalls> same
[01:14] <zacwalls> and usb is intact
[01:14] <dr_jkl> hmm.
[01:15] <dr_jkl> is your nook in usb mode?
[01:15] <dr_jkl> i know on my old nook it had to be in usb storage mode to be seen
[01:15] <zacwalls> ---___--- how would i do that?
[01:15] <dr_jkl> -i'm not sure
[01:15] <dr_jkl> depends on the nook and i don't have one handy
[01:16] <zacwalls> aha
[01:16] <zacwalls> that must be it
[01:18] <dr_jkl> its probably going to be under settings in your nook somewhere
[01:20] <zacwalls> i been looking there
[02:14] <zacwalls> how do i access administrator on a user through terminal i need updates
[02:14] <zacwalls> i still boot 13.04
[02:19] <xangua> !eol | zacwalls
[02:20] <xangua> it would be faster a clean install of 14.04 or 12.04
[02:25] <zacwalls> how
[02:26] <zacwalls> xangua please explain
[02:27] <xangua> zacwalls: how what? explain what?
[02:27] <xangua> 13.04 es EOL, End Of Life, no updates no support
[02:32] <zacwalls> okay
[02:32] <zacwalls> xangua can i use a cd-R?
[02:33] <xangua> zacwalls: xubuntu iso doesn't fit on a CD, use either a DVD or USB stick
[02:55]  * dr_jkl grumbles and puts her faith in askubuntu
[03:20] <cyclo> I'm having an issue with audio over HDMI, it crackles and stutters constantly. Been googling for a full day trying different suggestions but nothing seems to work.
[03:21] <Kekai> I purged a progra off my PC, then reinstalled it, but it's not showing up where my programs show up.
[03:21] <Kekai> I have to type the full name and click "Run Quassel"
[03:22] <Kekai> How can I have it show up in my menu so I can favorite it
[08:05] <xubuntu688> Buongiorno, qualcuno mi può aiutare?
[08:09] <elfy> !it | xubuntu688
[08:11] <xubuntu450> I would like to know how for the mouse single clic on xubuntu , thanks  8-)
[08:29] <wulong710> hello. My laptop always disconnect internet , with error "ath: phy0: Failed to stop TX DMA, queues=0x18f!". My  network adapter is AR9287. Anyone had met with this situation?
[09:47] <xubuntu429> hello?
[09:48] <xubuntu429> I have a question regarding Xubuntu 14.04...    after upgrading
[09:48] <xubuntu429> from 10.04 to 12.04  I can't creat a USB Stick with a casper-rw file
[09:49] <gabkdlly> xubuntu429: hi
[09:49] <xubuntu429> hi
[09:50] <gabkdlly> xubuntu429: I have often had trouble with the startup disk creator, so I have taken to using unetbootin.
[09:51] <gabkdlly> xubuntu429: I don't know how much difference it makes, but I also usually erase my USB stick with gparted before installing the live system.
[09:52] <xubuntu429> Startup Disk Creator... enables persistance if i select the 10.04 iso, but not the 14.04 iso...       UNETbootin
[09:52] <xubuntu429> ah...
[09:53] <xubuntu429> the "preserve files" option will create a persistance file... yes?
[09:53] <gabkdlly> yes
[09:54] <gabkdlly> Another thing I have observed: you don't want to update a live system, because if the kernel gets updated, strange things happen.
[09:54] <xubuntu429> trying that now.  Thanks for the unetbootin tip...  had not used that since I switched from SAM Linux to (x)Ubuntu 9.04
[09:55] <xubuntu429> have a good day!  thanks for the great help
[09:55] <gabkdlly> cheers
[09:55] <xubuntu429> yeah, cheers... think I will go pour myself a belgian black ale, great idea
[09:57] <xubuntu429> it worked!
[09:58] <xubuntu429> nothing like starting the day early!
[09:58] <xubuntu429> ten four
[10:26] <mediatomb> hi people, i just have installed the latest xubuntu onto my htcp along with xbmc. my question is how do I land straight into xbmc other than starting xbmc from xfce
[10:26] <mediatomb> ??
[10:28] <ochosi> easiest way is probably a session autostart item
[10:28] <ochosi> settings manager > sessions and startup > autostart
[10:29] <mediatomb> okchosi: ok, but does that bring me straight from the xubuntu boot splash into xbmc?
[10:29] <ochosi> well straight, there might be a bit of delay, but it should work
[10:30] <mediatomb> okchosi: is there a method of achieving that?
[10:30] <ochosi> i guess you could create a separate xbmc session if that's the only thing you wanna run
[10:30] <ochosi> at least i think that can be done, google is your friend, i haven't tried myself
[10:30] <mediatomb> okchosi: ok thanks. I'll try out your method first
[10:31] <ochosi> btw, no need to misspell my nick
[10:31] <mediatomb> ochosi: sry, everything is waaayy smaller when you have a 40" screen :)
[10:34] <ochosi> :)
[14:34] <xubuntu447> hello everyone!
[14:36] <xubuntu447>  I tried to install xubuntu wit existing win xp, but on the screen that I supposed to choose the assigned partition to xubuntu, the "install now" button is inactive
[14:37] <ochosi> xubuntu447: can you post a screenshot?
[14:37] <Kagee> xubuntu447: i suspect you have not selected / as the mountpoint for the xubuntu partition, but a screenshot/photo would be nice.
[14:39] <xubuntu447> I'm using the machine right now, unfortunatly I didn't think of making a photo, I could try again, and come back later
[14:40] <ochosi> sounds good
[14:41] <xubuntu447> ok, I will be back. thx
[14:53] <manish> HP ProBook 4540s --- Xubuntu 14.04 --- brightness is always max, cannot change ---- searched whole net, xrandr works, but xbacklight doesn't --- is it a bug or a fault of the laptop?
[14:55] <holstein> manish: i wouldnt think it was a hardware failure, unless i loaded up an officially supported operating system, and the brightness controls didnt work.. could be grahpics driver support related, since the manufacturer likely doesnt promise you can use linux on the machine.. i would start there, and even experiement with live CD's using different kernels.. (12.04, for example)
[14:58] <manish> thanks...
[14:58] <manish> it is my friend's problem, and i was telling him to wait for 14.10 :p
[14:59] <holstein> manish: well, hp doesnt promise *any* linux support, so you cant assume a newer kernel will be able to support it either.. but, 14.10 is available to download and test
[15:00] <manish> um... and i have a lenovo thinkpad and i also have a "similar-but-smaller" problem... my birghtness is always reset to max on reboot
[15:01] <holstein> live CD's are handy way to try other kernels and drivers on particular hardware, but, for that case, i would expect to load a proprietary driver.. and if the user is not using a proprietary driver (assuming one is available) i would try that
[15:01] <manish> he did install a proprietary driver, but to no improvement
[15:02] <manish> holstein: Which manufacturers have a very good support for linux?
[15:03] <holstein> there are many versions of that driver, plus, versions of the open driver.. basically, when you buy a machine like that, a team of profesionals work to make sure a supported operating system (usually windows in this case) works.. when one decides to run *any* operating system the manufacturer doesnt support, one is taking on that burden of support
[15:03] <xangua> more like the other way around
[15:03] <holstein> manish: *any* manufacturer is welcome, and encouraged.. and able to support linux
[15:03] <holstein> its all open..
[15:04] <holstein> i would suggest, if linux support is a goal, to go with something like system76, where, they will provide and guarantee linux support..
[15:05] <manish> system76.... never heard of it
[15:05] <holstein> manish: there are many linux resellers.. im just saying, if linux support is the main goal, i personally suggest buying with that in mind
[15:06] <xubuntu333> hello, I'm the one who had problems installing xubuntu. I'm uploading the screenshots to dropbox now
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu333: i usually start by testing hardware.. test the memory and the hard drive.. and go from there.. sometimes, i'll see xp era machine with "issues" that are related to hardware failure, that installing linux cant address.. can that be the case for you?
[15:07] <manish> I see many Dell laptops come with Ubuntu default. Does that mean they support ubuntu fully?
[15:07] <holstein> manish: ask them
[15:08] <holstein> manish: to ask ubuntu "do you support dell?" is a little backwards, i feel.. ubuntu is completely open, and dell, or anyone can support it
[15:08] <manish> holstein: thanks
[15:09] <xubuntu333> holstein, xubuntu runs on it as a live cd, could it still be a hardware issue? If so, why does not say something the installer?
[15:10] <xubuntu333> here are the screenshots https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5mo8o1ak6ixk4dw/AAAPJvVypNBT9JFBe-Tvmdg4a
[15:10] <holstein> xubuntu333: running from the live CD bypasses the internal hard drive, so, yes.. the hard drive could still be broken, or breaking.. have you tested for that?
[15:11] <holstein> xubuntu333: the reason im suggesting it may not be a problem with the installer is simply because the installer does work for most.. and has worked for me.. and in cases where it hasnt, it has been failing hardware..
[15:11] <xubuntu333> no, i haven't tested. How should I do that? Are the screenshots any help
[15:11] <xubuntu333> ?
[15:12] <holstein> xubuntu333: first thing.. i would have backups of *any* and *all* data that is "important" to me on the drive.. then, i would use the live CD to run a few tests on the hard drive.. gsmartcontrol is what i usually use
[15:13] <xubuntu333> also, the select drive select control at the last screen does not allow me to select anything else.
[15:13] <holstein> xubuntu333: then, i would use gparted to resize my window partition (to be more specific, i would at this point remove XP, personally, since its EOL)
[15:14] <holstein> xubuntu333: sure.. i understand.. have you tried testing the hard drive? have you tried manually resizing with gparted?
[15:15] <holstein> at this point, assuming the hard drive is "ok" and the partition resized, i would then use the live installer to specify the empty space on the disk to install to.. or manually partition with gparted if that fails and install manually
[15:17] <xubuntu333> no, i haven't tested anything. I have tried to create the partitions with the installer earlyer, but when I tried to create a 3GB swap partition, it showd the "loading" mouse symbol for more then an hour, so I switched my computer off and restarted the install, this time i wanted to leave everything to the installer
[15:18] <holstein> xubuntu333: sure.. that sounds, personally, indicitive of hardware failure.. please test the hard drive, and try following the loose outline above
[15:19] <xubuntu333> ok. I will do the tests. (I don't want to get rid of win xp, until i get linux working.)
[15:20] <holstein> xubuntu333: you need to have xp backed up, regardless.. and should be planning for failure
[15:23] <xubuntu333> fortunatly i don't have any valuable files on this computer. My current computer is dieing, until I can afford to buy a new one, I'm planning to use this old machine.
[15:24] <holstein> xubuntu333: you will backup what you need from that drive, if that is the xp install, then  back that up.. image it, with something like clonezilla
[15:24] <holstein> xubuntu333: its not a question if "if" the drive will fail.. it may or may not be that the drive has failed, or is failing, but it *will* fail at some point, so backup what you need
[15:25] <xubuntu333> ok, thanks
[16:11] <abanabee7> if you have an LVM, and you split the drive into to logical volumes,m how do you get it so the 2nd logical volume shows a real name?
[16:59] <nikolam> even Firefox is defaut browser everywhere, apport-gtk opens google chrome I have installed, when it wants to report bug and log in launchpad
[16:59] <nikolam> I am reporting Thunerbird crashing for some reason
[17:00] <nikolam> also Right click on link - open in new tab in Firefox, does not work every other time. It started doing that in recent Firefox update
[17:03] <Church> abanabee7: can you rephrase your question a bit more clearly?
[17:04] <Church> as to what is real name - logical volume's name? or you wish to list what logical volumes are created on drive (physical volume that is)?
[17:05] <abanabee7> Church: sure. I installed xubuntu using LVM, Logical Volume Management. Thunar shows it's name just as 351 GB Volume, but it's real name is Stranger
[17:05] <abanabee7> I would like Thunar  to display "Stranger" in the DEVICES list on the side
[17:06] <Church> i see. that probably is that thunar app specific, what it chooses to display
[17:06] <abanabee7> Where would I go, or what should I change to get it to display the name I want
[17:08] <abanabee7> If I click properties it shows it's proper name, but the name in the side panel is still that 351 GB Volume. When more devices are attached it gets confusing. Any ideas?
[17:24] <Church> you should ask thunar developers on fs display code or submit feature request
[17:30] <xubuntu824> hi everyone
[17:35] <Funker> hi ! im install now xubuntu
[17:37] <Guest57879> what's a good memory monitor for xubuntu?
[18:49] <abanabee7> Guest57879: Personally i use the xfce4-systemload-plugin 1.1.1 to monitor my memory, RAM
[19:27] <Guido1> hello, soon I will be in a network which supports gigabit ethernet. Are there specific requirements needed to use it like a minimum amount of RAM or processor speed?
[19:32] <deshipu> no
[19:50] <luke-xubuntu> Can anyone give me some help? I'm running Xubuntu 14.04.1 on my MacBook 6,1 (Nvidia GeForce 9400m graphics card), and while everything seems to be okay, every time I close my laptop lid, and come back later and open the laptop, it allows me to log in, but then once I log in, the screen appears to show a graphics crash (i think so anyway), and the screen is just covered in glitches, and I have to reset the computer to get it back
[19:50] <luke-xubuntu> I have installed most recent graphics drivers for the card I'm using by the way (304.117) so i'm wuite stuck
[19:50] <luke-xubuntu> please sorry for my bad english as well
[20:08] <abanabee7> luke-xubuntu: that is a bug that is happeing from the most recent point update from what i can tell
[20:09] <abanabee7> darn, he left already, i didnt see that
[22:26] <msev> hey guys
[22:26] <msev> having trouble getting some data from a serial adapter
[22:26] <msev> I'm thinking its a baudrate issue
[22:27] <msev> since I get the data in a windows app
[22:28] <msev> what would u guys suggest
[22:28] <deshipu> try a different baud rate?
[22:28] <msev> yeah
[22:29] <msev> when I tried sudo stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 2400 it just closes after I press enter
[22:29] <msev> > logfile (I get nothing)
[22:29] <deshipu> what's the exit code?
[22:30] <msev> huh?
[22:30] <msev> exit code?
[22:31] <msev> brb
[22:31] <deshipu> do the command, then do 'echo $?'
[22:31] <msevph> Back
[22:32] <msevph> Its a cp2102 adapter
[22:32] <Guido1> Computer A and B are conected to a switch. The switch is conected to a rooter wich has internet conection.   Trying to run your own ircd?  Which one?
[22:39] <Guest27929> ohhh
[22:39] <knome> Guido1, that cable has it's limits; if the computers do not reach that limit while both downloading, then there is no performance issue...
[22:40] <Guest27929> okay
[22:40] <Guest27929> thanks
[22:40] <Guest27929> I love this IRC client
[22:40] <knome> Guest27929, are you sure you aren't confusing IRC servers and channels?
[22:40] <Guest27929> yes
[22:40] <Guest27929> i am
[22:41] <Guest27929> its is Zubuntu or X-Ubuntu
[22:41] <Guido1> knome: it's a cat 6 cable, gigabit switch and rooter. atleast computer A has gigabit ethernet. (Maybe computer B too). downloading some GB
[22:41] <knome> Guest27929, then please explain me how does the IRC client you are using is relevant to selecting an ircd?
[22:41] <Guest27929> are the red names Admins?
[22:42] <Unit193> Guest27929: They are the ones saying 'Guest27929'
[22:42] <knome> Guido1, you are asking very theoretical questions. it's like asking whether two persons can share an apple and both get enough to fill their appetite..
[22:42] <Guest27929> the answer is yes
[22:44] <Guest27929> ohh
[22:44] <Guest27929> okay
[22:49] <FreshInstaller> Hi :)
[22:49] <FreshInstaller> Anyone here with any experience?
[22:50] <Xerro> Hey
[22:50] <Xerro> Im back
[22:50] <knome> no, we're all inexperienced in everything.
[22:50] <FreshInstaller> Oh
[22:50] <FreshInstaller> Well that's a shame
[22:50] <knome> FreshInstaller, ...not really
[22:50] <Xerro> Im Guest5577 or something
[22:50] <knome> FreshInstaller, just ask your question and let's see if we can help
[22:50] <Xerro> Guest27929
[22:51] <Xerro> thats who i am
[22:51] <knome> Xerro, yes?
[22:51] <FreshInstaller> I just wonder if there is any decodes that I need to download from a third-party :)
[22:51] <Xerro> hi
[22:51] <FreshInstaller> Like audio or video
[22:52] <knome> FreshInstaller, depends if you need to playback media that requires them... you can get pretty much everything from the repositories though
[22:52] <FreshInstaller> I'm literally in the installing phase atm
[22:53] <tola> Hi I'm using xubuntu 14,04. I am trying to delete pictures from a camer and I can sometimes delete one or two. But if I try to delete more I get the error message that the file system is in read only. I tried deleting from thunar and nautilus in user, sudo and gksudo. Any suggestions? Thanks!
[23:00] <tola> Sorry - I just ran out of battery and had to reboot. So - I was trying to delete pictures from a camera - I could delete a couple at a time sometimes, but sometimes if I tried one or many I would receive the error message that the file system was read only. Any suggestions? Thanks! (and sorry for asking again, I just rebooted)
[23:08] <deshipu> tola: what does dmesg say?
[23:10] <tola> deshipu: Sorry - I'm quite a newbie. What do I do with dmesg?
[23:10] <deshipu> tola: try to delete the files to get the error, then open a terminal and type 'dmesg' and see the last couple of lines
[23:11] <deshipu> my guess is that the sd card (or whatever the camera uses) has corrupted filesystem and your system is remounting it read-only when it encounters errors
[23:12] <deshipu> the solution is usually to backup as much as you can from it and format it
[23:15] <tola> deshipu: The odd thing is that I tried deleting a group of three, go the read-only error message. Then ran sudo mount -o remount /media/USER/disk and was able to delete them one by one....


 Is the Ubuntu development branch publicly available or no?
[05:40] <guiverc> @ShirokiStreams testing is almost always possible; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ shows the QA tracker and includes links to download jammy (what will be 22.04 on release), focal (what will be 20.04.4 which is next) etc
[05:41] <guiverc> it can be downloaded from https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ etc if preferred
 At interesting
 I’m surprised Canonical doesn’t do rolling release with weekly testing builds, that’d be dope
[05:43] <guiverc> daily is more a 'interval' ... the interval can be changed & is weekly at times; daily most of the cycle; and can be spun 2-3 times per day... ie. it's not a literal day
[05:43] <guiverc> a 'cron' job spins the daily & it's not limited to being run 'daily'
[05:45] <guiverc> (the date of the ISO will have a .1, .2 etc added if it's a re-spin on same actual day as a prior daily of the same date)
[05:46] <guiverc> (most respins are manually kicked; not via cron job change)
[06:08]  * lotuspsychje is running 22.04 devel
[06:23] <guiverc> :)


[17:07] <josdem> Hello guys, what programming language I should use if I want to develop in Unity desktop?
[17:42] <Saviq> josdem, what would you like to develop?
[19:23] <tsdgeos> tedg: ping
[19:45] <tsdgeos> tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libertine-scope/+bug/1591342 you or libertine-scope ?
[19:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-54029
[19:59] <josdem> Hello Saviq I'm ilooking for create applications for Ubuntu since is my favorite platform
[20:00] <josdem> I want to write code to create applications for Unity
[20:00] <josdem> So, I'm reading about Mono, but I don't like too much .NET and Microsoft stuff to be honest
[20:03] <Saviq> josdem, Unity doesn't really care what you write your applications in
[20:03] <Saviq> most of the current (unity7) applications are gnome apps, so using the GTK framework, written in C or Vala mostly, or I think JS recently, too
[20:04] <Saviq> the new shell we're developing right now for mobiles and desktops in Qt/QML (so C++ and JS roughly)
[20:04] <Saviq> and that's what the mobile-targeted UITK is
[20:04] <josdem> So, I can write in GTK with C, that's ok with me, what about Python and PyGTK?
[20:11] <josdem> What sites do you recommend to start with QT/QML ?
[20:14] <Saviq> josdem, sure, Python and PyGTK works, too
[20:15] <Saviq> josdem, the official Qt/QML tutorial is here http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-tutorial.html
[20:22] <josdem> Thank you Saviq, I'm installing qt open source, since mobile development also is my interest
[20:23] <josdem> Hope I can contribute to the great Ubuntu platform soon
[20:36] <Saviq> josdem, welcome :)
[21:07] <duflu_> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1564351
[21:50] <Trevinho> ltinkl-u8: fooo


[06:04] <Kilos> morning all
[06:18] <nuvolari> morning oom Kilos
[06:18] <nuvolari> seems like the family is reunited
[06:18] <nuvolari> \o/
[06:40] <Kilos> ai!
[06:46] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday hows our girl?
[06:47] <maiatoday> hi Kilos, fine and you?
[06:47] <Kilos> fine ty maiatoday
[06:48] <maiatoday> winter is coming :)
[06:50] <nuvolari> wt oom Kilos
[06:50] <nuvolari> hallo bytjie
[06:50] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[06:50] <Kilos> vrek koud hier
[06:50] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[06:51] <Vince-0> hii
[06:51] <Kilos> pc started it auto rebootin tricks again this morning
[06:52] <Kilos> all i did was add the cover with the extra fan, grrr
[06:54] <maiatoday> hi nuvolari
[06:55] <maiatoday> dis nie so koud hier nie maar mens kan voel die winter kom
[07:03] <charl> good morning
[07:03] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[07:03] <Kilos> hi charl
[07:03]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[07:03] <Kilos> good idea
[07:03] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee please
[07:03] <Maaz_> Kilos: Righto
[07:03] <Kilos> Maaz_, large
[07:03] <Maaz_> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[07:07] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz_, ty
[07:07] <Maaz_> You are welcome Kilos
[07:09] <charl> hi Kilos
[07:09] <charl> i started to pick up some stability issues with kubuntu 13.04
[07:10] <charl> i have been picking up some really strange bugs in kde 4.10.2
[07:10] <charl> some weird and seemingly random behaviour - i had to restart both my desktop and laptop yesterday
[07:12] <Kilos> what do the logs say
[07:13] <Kilos> i dunno the commands, cat and or tail /var/log/syslog
[07:13] <Kilos> or are the others with same prob
[07:14] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:14] <charl> nothing in the logs that i could find
[07:14] <charl> not in the syslog in any case
[07:14] <charl> hi psyatw
[07:14] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:14] <psyatw> hi cha
[07:14] <psyatw> charl*
[07:15] <Kilos> hehe psyatw dont your client do the tab  complete?
[07:19] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:19] <charl> by the way, i tried crunchbang yesterday - huge improvements in the last few years
[07:19] <charl> i am very impressed
[07:19] <Kilos> that quassel client lets you sneak in quietly
[07:20] <charl> quassel client?
[07:20] <charl> how does it let you "sneak in"
[07:20] <Kilos> ya some funny thing that lets him use his fone and other pcs from same place
[07:20] <Kilos> forget what its called
[07:21] <Kilos> sneak in = going off inactive without showing  here that he has joined
[07:21] <Kilos> off away or whatever
[07:21] <Kilos> magespawn, also does it
[07:23] <Kilos> i see this with everyone but them quassel peeps
[07:23] <Kilos> charl (~charl@2001:67c:2564:524:92b1:1cff:fe89:ae5) has joined #ubuntu-za
[07:23] <charl> oh no it's called a bnc
[07:23] <charl> an irc bouncer
[07:23] <Kilos> they show online but away and return from away silently
[07:24] <charl> quassel has one built-in
[07:24] <Kilos> ya bouncer thing
[07:24] <charl> i also sometimes do it by running irssi inside screen on a server and then just attaching and deattaching
[07:25] <charl> but i don't like doing it because i'm scared of connectivity issues that would cause me to repeatedly bounce on-and-off of irc
[07:25] <Kilos> ah
[07:25] <charl> and servers sometimes need to be restarted as well, after kernel upgrades for example
[07:26] <Kilos> dont you like proper irc clients
[07:26] <Kilos> try konversation
[07:26] <charl> what is a "proper" client :)
[07:26] <Kilos> i like
[07:26] <Kilos> quassel xchat and konversation
[07:26] <charl> nah those are all gui-based clients, i like terminal-based clients
[07:26] <Kilos> lol
[07:26] <charl> :)
[07:27] <charl> the nice thing about terminal-based tools is that i can run them everywhere - on a server, on my desktop, etc
[07:27] <charl> either via a local terminal or via ssh
[07:28] <Kilos> ah
[07:28] <charl> i sometimes use my desktop as a server as well, i stuck 16gb of ram into this thing so i can run a bunch of virtual machines simultaneously
[07:28] <charl> my desktop doubles as my development server
[07:28] <Kilos> nice
[07:29] <Kilos> and all on the 4 standard workspaces?
[07:30] <charl> i don't really use the workspaces feature, never have
[07:30] <Kilos> ouch
[07:30] <charl> i typically only have a couple of applications running - konsole, a browser (chromium-browser mostly) and vmware workstation
[07:31] <Kilos> looks like they were only put there for me
[07:31] <Kilos> use 10
[07:31] <charl> i have 2x 1080p displays on my desk but i rarely have more than three or four windows open at a time
[07:32] <charl> so i don't find it so useful personally
[07:32] <charl> actually i should say "windows", not "applications" because in konsole i could have multiple tabs with tons of stuff :)
[07:33] <Kilos> thats too involved for me
[07:33] <Kilos> use 1 workspace for each running app normally
[07:34] <charl> that's why i thought of moving to a tiling window manager but it takes some getting used to
[07:34] <Kilos> then got spare ones for other stuff
[07:34] <charl> workspaces is actually a brilliant feature
[07:34] <charl> even apple took it over in osx lion
[07:34] <Symmetria> heh I couldnt live without at least 3 monitors
[07:34] <Kilos> ya i live by them
[07:35] <Symmetria> especially now that Im doing photographic stuff
[07:35] <Kilos> hi Symmetria
[07:35] <Symmetria> lightroom lets me put a photo up on one monitor for editing, while having it full screened on the other one
[07:35] <Symmetria> and as I edit on the one, it adjusts the one to "edited" version on the other
[07:35] <charl> Symmetria: do you have them vertically?
[07:35] <charl> if i would put three 1080p monitors right next to each other my neck would fall off :)
[07:36] <charl> horizontally i mean
[07:36] <Symmetria> 3 next to each other, 4th is wall mounted tv ;p
[07:36] <Symmetria> charl, the 2 on either side are tilted inwards at a slight angle, they all 27" screens
[07:36] <Symmetria> (other than the 64" mounted on the wall)
[07:37] <Symmetria> suppose it very much depends what you doing though
[07:37] <charl> hmmm, the person from arbo actually complained about me using two monitors, he suggested i put one right in front of me and prefer looking at it face-on
[07:37] <Symmetria> I know a lot of people who would have zero use for 2 monitors, let alone the 4 Ive got hooked up
[07:38] <Symmetria> heh charl though even when Im working on 10 - 15 routers at a time
[07:38] <charl> not that i did it, i'm still in my 20s so i guess it doesn't bother me that much looking at a slight angle
[07:38] <Symmetria> and you got monitoring stuff running all over the place and you're changing one thats going to impact the rest
[07:38] <Symmetria> multiple screens is helpful
[07:38] <charl> yeah that i can understand, it's like when you look at pics of nocs
[07:38] <charl> screens all over the place with graphs and stuff
[07:39] <Symmetria> hell, even when you're editing quotes off pricelists, pricelist on one screen, large spreadsheet on the other
[07:39] <Symmetria> so many uses :)
[07:40] <Symmetria> heh these days the only thing I drop back to single screen for is on my notebook which I primariy use for tethered shooting
[07:41] <Kilos> hey Symmetria whats news from Fanie
[07:42] <Kilos> he most likely forgot us
[07:43] <Kilos> tell him we all nagging you so you get min time for photography
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:44] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> how's things this morning?
[07:44] <superfly> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy and the rest of you
[07:44] <Kilos> good ty and you
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> can't complain thanks :)
[07:49] <sakhi> Morning
[07:49] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[07:57] <psyatw> Kilos, it does, but it got ChanServ first :)
[07:58] <psyatw> hi Symmetria
[07:58] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:58] <Kilos> lol then keep tapping tab it eventually sorts it out
[07:58] <Kilos> hehe
[07:58] <psyatw> hi superfly
[07:58] <psyatw> haha
[07:59] <Kilos> ive also battled with that so now i put my finger by the tab key then look what it does
[07:59] <Kilos> haha
[07:59] <Kilos> my fingers cant learn what is where
[08:00] <Kilos> hi morgs
[08:00] <morgs> Hi Kilos
[08:00] <morgs> hi all
[08:00] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[08:02] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[08:02] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[08:02] <Kilos> en die ander??
[08:02] <Kilos> ai!
[08:38] <fender> yo oom
[08:38] <Kilos> yo fender
[08:38] <fender> bleery network
[08:38] <Kilos> yeah
[09:41] <superfly> Name used to be Bumper, had to change it to Fender when I came into the country.
[09:54] <Kilos> lol
[09:54] <charl> ???
[09:58] <superfly> I misquoted it... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358082/quotes?item=qt0267520
[10:21] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[11:06] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[11:06] <HawkiesZA> Howdy
[11:17]  * Kilos needs cantide
[11:17] <Kilos> dont understand korean
[11:31] <HawkiesZA> Google translate?
[11:32] <Kilos> lol
[11:32] <Kilos> i found an english button
[12:25] <Kilos> aw we splitting again today
[12:51] <Squirm> afternoon
[12:51] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.google.com/search?q=atari+breakout&tbm=isch
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> beep boop beep beep boop!
[13:39] <HawkiesZA> Oh, the memories
[13:42] <Squirm> yeah
[13:42] <Squirm> I saw that this morning
[13:45] <HawkiesZA> Google should remake Contra
[13:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> omw imagine!
[13:47] <HawkiesZA> I'd get fired
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's always MAME
[13:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> but don't let's get started down that road...
[13:52] <HawkiesZA> Dangerous road
[13:52] <HawkiesZA> Fun road....
[13:57] <Squirm> you guys are showing your age now
[13:59] <HawkiesZA> Contra was '87, so we only saw it in the '90s probably
[13:59] <HawkiesZA> And it stayed awesome for years
[14:01] <Squirm> like I said
[14:01] <Squirm> you guys are showing your age now
[14:02] <HawkiesZA> Also, I refuse to admit that I'm old
[14:02] <HawkiesZA> I'm in my mid-20s, dangit!
[14:02] <Kilos> rofl
[14:02] <Squirm> heh
[14:02] <Squirm> HawkiesZA: 28?
[14:02] <HawkiesZA> 25
[14:02] <Squirm> not mid, late
[14:02] <Squirm> :P
[14:02] <HawkiesZA> I'm from '88
[14:02] <Squirm> meh, fine.