[00:03] <mariogrip> that's correct file. humm, i haven't run into this problem before, but yo can try to first edit the file, then run make showcommands bootimage and you can look at the output if you can find a sign to where it might edit/replace the files that you edited.
[00:15] <randy1> make showcommands? no rule to make
[00:18] <mariogrip> ? humm, i just tested it, and it works for me. i have used it many times,
[00:20] <mariogrip> just checking, did you run . build/envsetup.sh, and lunch [your device]
[00:21] <mariogrip> http://elinux.org/Android_Build_System#Build_tricks
[00:27] <randy1> hm. yeah, i setup everything up right. but i guess something's wrong.
[00:29] <randy1> gah. wrong directory.
[00:29] <mariogrip> :P
[00:29] <randy1> :) it's running now
[00:29] <mariogrip> :D
[00:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: system-settings depends on dbus-property-service, and if we depend on lxc-android-config, that will probably end up installing it on desktops
[00:47] <rsalveti> which is not something we want
[00:58] <randy1> make showcommands bootimage seems to just look for a prebuilt kernel, not build my kernel from source. still no-go applying check-config.
[01:03] <mariogrip> randy1, then you need to tell it to build your kenel
[01:04] <mariogrip> tip: BoardConfig.mk
[01:05] <mariogrip> :P you getting closer to result
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: i dont think it will run on ipad
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> !devices | eikon81g
[04:18] <eikon81g> thanks lotuspsychje you tha man
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: the XDA forums also have ports to other devices
[04:19] <eikon81g> yea, I was looking at some of that now.. this has come quite a long way
[04:19] <eikon81g> I have a nexus 7 as well
[04:19] <eikon81g> the ipad is just activation locked..
[04:19] <eikon81g> lol
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> wich n7 do you have
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> 2012 or 2013wifi
[04:20] <eikon81g> eww good question I'd have to look it's wifi only It's prolly the 2012 version
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> you can only install touch on the 2013 version
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> i got it running fine
[04:21] <eikon81g> bummer..
[04:21] <eikon81g> real quick how do you identify which you have
[04:21] <eikon81g> serial or?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> if it has wifi on it
[04:22] <eikon81g> umm. OH OK yea, mine is wifi LOL I was like um..
[04:22]  * eikon81g DOH!
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> then you can install touch fine on it
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> if you want me to help let me know
[04:23] <eikon81g> coolio I may do that since my ipad 2 issue is at a stand still
[04:23] <eikon81g> I WILL!! you are awesome man
[04:23] <eikon81g> thanks :)
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> eikon81g: check the wiki install in topic also
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> it will show what you need to to before install
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> do
[04:23] <eikon81g> I have experience flashing android devices and rooting so I think I will be alright If i find the guide
[04:24] <eikon81g> gotcha
[04:24] <eikon81g> does it run pretty good?
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> yes very smooth
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> im running image devel=proposed
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> fast n smooth
[04:27] <eikon81g> gotcha I'll prolly copy you lol
[04:38] <Gerowen> I just flashed my Nexus 7 to Ubuntu, and I've got one question primarily.  Why does the audio backend seem to crash randomy?  I recorded a video with the camera, but couldn't play it until I rebooted; kept getting an error regarding the backend.  Sometimes I cannot play any music, or my games will be silent, until I restart the device.  Suggestions?
[04:38] <Gerowen> Should have clarified, I flashed it to Ubuntu Touch, devel channel.
[04:38] <Gerowen> The "stable" channel doesn't have an image compatible with my device (flo).
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: flash it to devel-proposed
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: you will then receive all the updates
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: so do the same thing you installed just with the image channel=devel-proposed now
[04:40] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: I know it's a working "development" release, but is it stable enough for normal, day to day use for taking photos and such?  Does it crash a lot or have any glaring problems?  I don't mind giving feedback on issues, but I also want my device to be usable.
[04:41] <Gerowen> the devel-proposed channel is what that question is about ^^
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> i run the same on nexus7 mate
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> devel-proposed is currently best image for the n7
[04:41] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: K, will do then, thanks, :-)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> and runs smooth and fast
[04:42]  * eikon81g is away: brb
[04:44] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: One more question, getting ready to flash it, but do I need to somehow purge the existing installation, or will the ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel-proposed --bootstrap do that for me?
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> no, just flash it over the previous one
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> that will do the trick :p
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> lets me know how it runs after install :p
[04:46] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: It's going now, we'll see how it goes, :-)
[04:54] <Gerowen> Done with the downloading, rebooted to the spinning Ubuntu logo, so it should be ready to roll here shortly.
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:01] <Gerowen> lotuspsychje: Installed and working just fine, now to enter all<PHONE_NUMBER>48 of my passwords for things like Facebook, Ubuntu SSO, Google, Twitter, etc.
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> Gerowen: good luck with it mate
[05:01] <nhaines> At least with the account system it's simple.  :)
[05:02] <Gerowen> Yeah that's true.  I appreciate the help getting it upgraded, I mean it was simple enough, but I didn't know that would fix my issues, so I appreciate you helping me out, :-)
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> i also recently heared it here
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> just sharing :p
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> i was like on channel=devel from the start touch was released
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> now devel-proposed running great
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[09:19] <nortoboru> good morning
[09:35] <matv1> my mako failed to boot fully on mako this morning (latest devel proposed). It got stuck half way. After another boot it did load fully.
[09:35] <matv1> Anyone else seeing that?
[10:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Submarine Day! :-D
[11:20] <peat-psuwit> Which project on launchpad should I file a bug about Ubuntu's recovery?
[11:32] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, the android package
[12:02] <Gerowen> How can I get the browser to remember passwords?  When I try to share something to Facebook from a link in the browser, rather than use the Facebook application, which links in with the accounts settings on the device, it uses the browser itself which does not, and requires me to log in to Facebook every single time I share something.
[13:32] <awe_> Hey Saviq, I just saw your comments on jibel's indicator-network bug.  Could you add details on what version of Ubuntu you're running on your laptop so we can correlate to a specific version of network-manager?
[13:32] <awe_> there's a new version of NM in vivid...
[13:32] <awe_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1427205
[13:40] <ogra_> jhodapp, is something like recoding a stream live while playing it back on the feature list for media-hub or is that impossible to achieve ?
[13:41] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, o/ 5 minutes for a query?
[13:42] <jhodapp> ogra_, not impossible, but that's not on the roadmap yet
[13:42] <jhodapp> ogra_, that's a PVR-like functionality
[13:42]  * ogra_ would find it cool if he could just hit a record button in his internet radio app
[13:43] <ogra_> more like a cassette recorder, but yeah :)
[13:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, I think hotswap requires work in ofono on our side
[13:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, but it's good to see that jolla have been looking at libqofono in hotswap scenarios
[13:44] <kenvandine> yeah, it made me hopeful :)
[13:45] <Saviq> awe_, sure, I'm on latest vivid and indeed the NM switch made my network all kinds of unreliable (it's gotten better now, though)
[13:46] <boud> Hi... I'm wondering why the ubuntu phone doesn't let me login with adb shell when the lock screen on the phone appears. That seems to be new behaviour? Also, if lightdm stops, I seem no longer to be able to use adb shell, which makes recovery a bit difficult.
[13:47] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, sure
[13:49] <popey> boud: it's intentional
[13:49] <popey> boud: you can only adb shell in once the phone is unlocked
[13:49] <popey> boud: alternatively, enable ssh and then ssh in any time :)
[13:50] <boud> hm, but I also seem to be locked out of ssh when that happens, especially if the phone then reboots
[13:50] <boud> popey: is there a way for me to disable that? I don't care how gross the hack is...
[13:50] <popey> i don't know
[13:56] <boud> would you by any chance know which component is repsonsible for the lock screen?
[14:01] <jgdx> kenvandine, okay, [1] is ready for another go. UUID is now dynamic and defaults are sane. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-binding/+merge/252296
[14:01] <Elleo> boud: there's a file you can touch to allow you to access adb/ssh when the phone is locked
[14:01] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool
[14:02] <boud> Elleo: oh, that sounds useful -- which one?
[14:02] <Elleo> boud: just trying to remember what it is :P
[14:02] <boud> ah :-)
[14:02] <Elleo> boud: it also gets done for you automatically if you flash with --developer-mode I think
[14:03] <ogra_> boud, touch /userdata/.adb_onlock
[14:03] <Elleo> ah, there we go :)
[14:03] <ogra_> and reboot
[14:03] <boud> thanks!
[14:03] <ogra_> (and yes, the name of the file is a funny typo that mandel made when adding it :)
[14:03] <Elleo> heh
[14:09] <boud> I had to type that four times to get it right :-)
[14:20] <tedg> pmcgowan, I can't get errors.u.c to give me a listing by channel anymore. Do you have a trick there?
[14:35] <pmcgowan> tedg, I see a choice for channels
[14:37] <davmor2> ogra_: .adb_onlock that doesn't look funny writable_image on the other hand is wrong
[14:37] <tedg> pmcgowan, I see a choice, but it never fills out. And if I used old URLs they don't seem to come up with the data (just clears).
[14:37] <tedg> pmcgowan, Can you paste me a URL for vivid-proposed?
[14:39] <pmcgowan> tedg, https://errors.ubuntu.com/?channel_name=ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed&device_name=mako&period=day
[14:44] <tedg> pmcgowan, Cool, that works. Thanks. Not sure why it wasn't working before :-/
[14:45] <pmcgowan> tedg, vg
[14:55] <mpt> Oh dear, I’ve forgotten my passcode :-x
[14:55] <boud> I must be doing something really wrong, because having /userdata/.adb_onlock doesn't make a difference, I still need to unlock the phone to login
[14:56] <ogra_> boud, works fine here, adb shell just lets me in
[14:57] <ogra_> (and it would break all automated testing if it wouldnt work, we use it there everywhere)
[14:57] <boud> yes, I must have done something wronge here, but I haven't found it yet
[15:04] <dobey> boud: reboot? if adb is already running on the phone, it might not pick up on the file having been created after. restarting adb should fix it
[15:05] <Elleo> boud: try /data/.adb_onlock I seem to have it in both /userdata/ and /data/ not entirely sure why
[15:06] <boud> ok
[15:07] <ogra_> well, tchincally you shouldnt have /data
[15:07] <ogra_> *technically
[15:07] <boud> it seems to exist, though, so I'm trying that now
[15:07] <Elleo> ogra_: shouldn't have the file there, or shouldn't have /data at all?
[15:07] <ogra_> Elleo, /data should only exist in recovery ... on a runnin system it should be mounted as /userdata/android-data/
[15:08] <boud> Now I have "error: protocol fault (no status)"
[15:08] <Elleo> ogra_: well it exists on my phone when running normally and is a symlink to /android/data
[15:09] <Elleo> ogra_: I've been doing OTA upgrades on this phone without a --wipe for a long time, so perhaps its a hang over from earlier images?
[15:10] <Elleo> ogra_: although if boud sees it as well that'd seem to suggest its present on devel-proposed in general
[15:10] <ogra_> yeah, i see it too
[15:10] <ogra_> i might mis-remember
[15:10] <Elleo> ah, okay
[17:03] <rww> Howdy. I'm installing Ubuntu Touch on hammerhead, and ubuntu-device-flash can't find a system image for it on the default server. Is there some other server I should be pointing it at?
[17:04] <rww> never mind, just found the right wikipage with the answer :)
[18:59] <studio_> hi
[19:01] <studio_> is there a kernel problem with the bq E4.5 and the OTG (USB 2.0)?
[19:10] <AskUbuntu_> Ubuntu Phone carrier disappeared | http://askubuntu.com/q/598001
[19:15] <studio_> can't confirm that on Ubuntu 14.10 r16! it's still working
[19:19] <studio_> but what about usb-devices via otg on the e4.5? they are not working direct nor with an active usb-hub. also the usb-hub is not identified
[19:29] <davmor2> studio_: adb only works while the phone is unlocked
[19:29] <studio_> i do not talk about adb i talk about devices
[19:30] <studio_> mouse, keyboard, usb-storrage etc.
[19:32] <davmor2> studio_: no idea then I don't think there would be an issue other than mir/input using them
[19:32] <studio_> they are not working on android or ubuntu-touch. therfor i thought it is "maybe" a problem with the kernel ...
[19:33] <davmor2> probably just not supported in that mode then
[19:35] <studio_> davmor2, what do you mean with "mode"?
[19:36] <davmor2> studio_: as in it supports mtp/adb as an i/o mode but nothing else
[19:39] <studio_> the E4.5 supports otg, as bq told on their pages, but here it is not working. wiki sayed otg is compatible to usb 2.0, but also not working. for that reason i thought the kernel is "not so good" ...
[19:42] <studio_> i thought the bq E4.5 is "the ubuntu-touch" device in the moment. do i have to ask bq for that problem?
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: OTG is not supported
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: it is not supported by Ubuntu yet
[19:46] <studio_> but otg is usb 2.0, isn't it?
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: some things may or may not work if you get lucky
[19:47] <dobey> it uses usb 2.0, i do not think it is part of the usb 2.0 specification
[19:47] <studio_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go
[19:48] <dobey> yes i know how to use a search engine thanks
[19:49] <studio_> as wiki said, otg is usb 2.0
[19:50] <dobey> no it doesn't say that
[19:50] <dobey> it says OTG is a *supplement* to USB 2.0
[19:50] <dobey> it requires 2.0, but 2.0 does not require OTG
[19:51] <studio_> USB OTG devices are backward-compatible with USB 2.0
[19:54] <dobey> i don't know what you're trying to say, but i've already answered you. OTG is not well supported by ubuntu yet. if you manage to get a keyboard or mouse working on it, then you are lucky.
[19:56] <studio_> as i told, otg is also not working in the android version, and they are using the same kernel. that was, why i thought there is maybe a problem with the kernel ...
[19:56] <dobey> it's not the exact same kernel
[19:56] <dobey> it's close, but not exact
[19:56] <studio_> on my device it is.
[19:57] <dobey> if it doesn't work in android either though, and the specs for the phone say it does, then you need to ask bq i guess
[19:57] <dobey> no it isn't. not unelss you horribly broke your device anyway
[19:57] <dobey> it might be the same kernel release version, but they are not the exact same binary
[19:57] <studio_> that is what i told before, may i have to ask bq for that problem ....
[19:58] <dobey> *sigh*
[20:01] <studio_> dobey, sorry for my mistake, i thought it is a known problem here on ubuntu-touch
[20:02] <dobey> well it is known that ubuntu doesn't really support otg yet
[20:03] <dobey> but we can't tell you why you'd have issues with otg on android
[20:04] <studio_> but back to the flight mode an not working sim card. i tried 3 times flight mode and back, i justed typed my pin and it was working without problems on the 14.10 (r16)
[20:04] <studio_> maybe this can help you ...
[20:19] <davmor2> studio_: feel free to report a bug for that
[20:23] <nhaines> I'm annoyed that with the upgrade to r17, my Camera and Weather app icons disappeared.  Reinstalling the apps only made them reappear until I rebooted.
[20:23] <taiebot> Hey trying to get my syslog for  my bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1431026 but all the output is from Aug the 19th? file is 7.8MiB is that normal?
[20:28] <studio_> davmor2, i do not have this bug, that bug came from AskUbuntu_ ...  http://askubuntu.com/q/598001
[20:28] <dobey> nhaines: that's quite odd
[20:28] <dobey> nhaines: they certainly haven't gone anywhere on my phone
[20:29] <dobey> taiebot: aug 19, 1970? if the system clock is messed up, the times might be wrong. but you should be able to see the latest stuff. do you have wifi enabled/working?
[20:30] <dobey> huh
[20:30] <taiebot> dobey: no wifi was disabled before reboot
[20:31] <dobey> taiebot: turn on wifi, so it can get the right time from the network, and reboot with it enabled, and see if you get better time/date info in syslog
[20:31] <dobey> syslog should be rotated, so unless you're looking at an old file, the dates should be close to the current time on your phone
[20:32] <dobey> studio_: you can't answer ask ubuntu questions in here. the person asking the question won't see it. that bot just notifies this channel of questions with the ubuntu-touch tag on them
[20:33] <dobey> so that someone can possibly go there and answer it
[20:37] <nhaines> dobey: it was reported on the mailing list too, but he said it went away when he reinstalled.  Unfortunately I have to run real quick but I could file a bug later...
[20:38] <studio_> dobey, sorry, but i do not understand "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/ofono/+bug/1427439" i use in the moment 14.10 (r16) and i do not have this bug
[20:38] <taiebot> dobey: the size of the file changes but the date never changes
[20:39] <dobey> studio_: good for you :)
[20:39] <nhaines> studio_: the current version is r17
[20:40] <dobey> nhaines: version numbers are different across devices
[20:40] <dobey> current bq image is 19 or 20 i think in stable
[20:41] <studio_> i use that "old" version, because i just flashed my phone some minutes/hours ago back from android tu ubuntu-touch ...
[20:41] <nhaines> dobey: ooh, that's not what I heard.  :)  I thought the stable channel was still synced.
[20:41] <dobey> taiebot: not sure. date is current on /var/log/syslog on my mako
[20:42] <nhaines> studio_: well, test and report bugs on the latest version available unless you're trying to bisect a bug symptom.
[20:42] <dobey> nhaines: nope, image numbers are different across devices, and across channels (and yes, i really do not like that myself)
[20:43] <nhaines> dobey: I know they begin to diverge.  I just thought it hadn't happened in the rtm promoted branch yet.
[20:43] <nhaines> And yes, I think it's a lot better to keep them synced when possible.
[20:43] <dobey> i think there should be no case where it is not possible :)
[20:44] <nhaines> Maybe the releases should be dated.  :)
[20:44] <dobey> whether on the promoted channel, or on a daily build channel
[20:44] <dobey> eh, an incrementing integer is fine
[20:45] <studio_> nhaines, i try to figure out what will be the "release" version from bq. bq told everybody it will be released on the 20.03.2015 ... is it 14.10 or 15.04?
[20:45] <dobey> and using the date would still require that, as images get built multiple times a day :)
[20:45] <dobey> studio_: it's "stable"
[20:45] <dobey> 15.04 is not stable.
[20:45] <dobey> and ignore the 14.10 and 15.04, they don't really have much meaning on the phone
[20:45] <studio_> 15.04 was " for me" stable ... ;)
[20:46] <dobey> 15.04 is not in the "stable" channel
[20:46] <studio_> i know ...
[20:46] <dobey> and it is very much not stable :)
[20:46] <nhaines> If only because it's not finished and in active development still.  :)
[20:46] <dobey> but hopefully will be on par with rtm soon, for stability
[20:47] <dobey> nhaines: well, more because concentration has been more on the rtm builds than the vivid builds, so it managed to catch some bugs that shouldn't have happened
[20:47] <dobey> the trusted session one is pretty annoying
[20:47] <studio_> on the 15.04 it was possible to import contacts from the sim card ... that is a must have ...
[20:48] <nhaines> dobey: well, also that.  But vivid doesn't even start up on the desktop either.  It's just the way these things work--big changes are afoot.
[20:48] <dobey> studio_: then use 15.04
[20:49] <dobey> if you must have it
[20:55] <studio_> dobey, tomorrow i am on a exhibition, that is a small one, and i want to show them what is possible in the moment on a ubuntu-touch phone ...
[20:56] <dobey> studio_: what is possible depends on what version and device you are on.
[21:00] <studio_> i know, so is https://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en/ the latest?
[21:02] <dobey> no
[21:03] <dobey> just "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed" for the channel is the latest
[21:03] <studio_> but that is without the bq tools
[21:04] <dobey> you mean the scopes and apps that are only on the bq phones right now?
[21:04] <studio_> yes
[21:05] <dobey> perhaps. but it is the latest builds. the channel you linked is not vivid i don't think
[21:05] <studio_> it is 15.04
[21:06] <studio_> but "without" core apps
[21:06] <dobey> well i don't know what that channel is then. it seems to have an image built from today
[21:08] <dobey> try it if you want, i guess
[21:08] <studio_> the big problem is there is no email client in the core apps, also not terminal and not the filemanager
[21:08] <dobey> install them from the store then if you need them
[21:09] <dobey> terminal and file manager are part of the core apps. they are not part of the consumer release phone apps set though
[21:09] <studio_> it is not in the core image!
[21:10] <dobey> don't start this nonsense again
[21:10] <studio_> what is the "default" email client evolution?
[21:11] <dobey> there is no default mail client on the phone right now
[21:12] <dobey> as you've been told MANY times
[21:12] <studio_> ago
[21:13] <adrian47> what about fixing audio, camera, and sim?  I have no idea how to get it :)
[21:16] <studio_> adrian47, this is "nonsens" as dobey said. Try it out my yourself ... btw ac3 is not working
[21:16] <dobey> studio_: no, adrian47 is porting to a new device and asks sensible questions; though that one was a bit random :)
[21:17] <dobey> studio_: nonsense is you asking the same crap over and over again after you've been given the answer many times
[21:17] <studio_> uch, i have to port a new device?
[21:17] <dobey> no
[21:17] <studio_> so, ac3 is not working on the E4.5
[21:18] <dobey> ac3 audio?
[21:18] <studio_> yes
[21:18] <dobey> file a bug then
[21:18] <studio_> i am not a beta tester ...
[21:19] <adrian47> dobey, yes it wasn't good question :)
[21:19] <dobey> studio_: you are complaining about a bug. file a bug. this irc channel is not a bug reporting system
[21:20] <dobey> or talk to bq support
[21:20] <dobey> and let them file a bug
[21:20] <studio_> dobey, do i have to report that better to bq? same as the otg error?
[21:21] <studio_> ok
[21:21] <dobey> as i told you, we have nothing to do with otg in android, and otg is not yet really supported in ubuntu
[21:22] <studio_> forget otg, what about the USB-Port on the device? is it just for fun?
[21:23] <dobey> studio_: it's for you to make sarcastic comments on irc and annoy developers
[21:25] <studio_> dobey, my questions are not "sarcastic" ! I try to figure out a usefull way ....
[21:25] <dobey> studio_: if you are going to continue asking the same things over and over again, and being rude about it, i will ping and ask for you to be banned again.
[21:26] <dobey> you can use the usb port to charge the phone and transfer data to a PC, as you are already well aware of
[21:26] <studio_> dobey, i know, i will be banned again ... but that is not i want, i am trying to learn ...
[21:30] <dobey> if you don't want it, then don't be repetitive, demanding, and rude, and keep the rhetoric to yourself
[21:31] <Fishscene> studio_: If you're trying to learn, Be constructive and use the information given to you. Don't assume everything changes overnight. It also helps to do research and provide feedback in the appropriate place (such as filing a bug) if something goes wrong. Using the systems in place wherever possible as it greatly helps in keeping track of issues.
[21:34] <Fishscene> Also, if you're looking for generic information or status's of items, try running a Google search (many of us will be doing that anyway) and search through the first several pages of results. If you're still unsuccessful with various different ways of searching on Google, then try asking here. Maybe ask for a link to the topic your are looking for. That way, the webpage can take care of the tedious explanation and frees up the developers for
[21:37] <studio_> Fishscene, i try to help, i didn't thought that i am an official beta tester and need to make an official bug-report. Most informations about Ubuntu-Touch on the internet are outdatet, thay are from 2013!
[21:39] <dobey> studio_: it has nothing to do with being a beta tester
[21:40] <dobey> studio_: and you are not using an ubuntu edition of the phone either. you purchased the android phone and flashed ubuntu on it. you are by definition a "tester" in that sense
[21:40] <studio_> dobey, no ? so why do not work most of the debian released software work on the ubuntu-touch?
[21:41] <dobey> studio_: bugs happen. if you find one, you should report it as such. if you don't like bugs, then don't use software. they will happen regardless of how much QA and testing is done by others.
[21:41] <dobey> k1l_: ^^ please? i'm tired of all of us explaining to studio_ over and over again the same things
[21:41] <dobey> oh hi k1l :)
[21:43] <studio_> dobey, why are for exp. libreoffice and kodi working on the raspberry bi but not on the ubuntu-touch?
[21:45] <dobey> no i'm done
[21:46] <k1l> *sigh*
[21:46] <k1l> some people just dont want to play the nice way
[21:47] <dobey> thanks k1l
[21:49] <bala___> hi
[21:50] <bala___> stuck at bulding environment
[21:51] <bala___> is there one ready to help
[21:51] <bala___> :-(
[21:51] <bala___> make: *** No rule to make target '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes
[21:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> Actually kinda good question from studio_ in a way, about libreoffice, I've seen libreoffice work on the nexus 4 but IDK how you'd get it to work, for an end-user, would libre office have to make a click package of libreoffice, if so are the ubuntu team going to work with projects like LibreOffice and Firefox to make click packages for them so that convergence would work well for the every day consumer?
[21:52] <bala__> ?
[21:53] <bala__> make: *** No rule to make target '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes', needed by '/media/bala/Newvolume1/phablet/out/target/product/condor/obj/EXECUTABLES/recovery_intermediates/import_includes'
[21:54] <bala__> stuck at here
[21:54] <bala__> :-(
[21:54] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: it might have been a reasonable question if it a) hadn't already been asked a thousand times by him, and answered and b) wasn't comparing it to debian on a raspberry pi
[21:55] <dobey> bala__: you don't need to repeat the question. if someone knows how to help you, they will. just be patient
[21:56] <bala__> dobey: hmmm ;-)
[21:56] <dobey> you'll also have a better chance of getting help with that during EU normal office hours i think
[21:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey yeah, I didn't understand the compairing to debian on the raspberry pi, perhaps because they're both arm? and yeah he seemed to ask alot of obvious questions and I've seen him before asking the same questions again and again...
[21:57] <dobey> ChloeWolfieGirl_: all the details of how full convergence will work in the end have not been decided.
[21:58] <dobey> so i don't know if they'll be click/snap packages or what when we get there
[21:58] <dobey> anyway, i have to go :)
[21:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> dobey oh, ok, will talk to you some other time :)
[21:59] <k1l> well, does libreoffice have some sort of touch-optimized-GUI?
[21:59] <k1l> because without it is plain stupid to demand that for a smartphone
[22:00] <dobey> k1l: no, it doesn't
[22:06] <Fishscene> Well, as long as you can zoom in and out easily, I'm sure I can find a way to finagle a last-second change to mission critical document while I sit at an airport with only my phone. :)
[22:06] <Fishscene> I just don't know if you can zoom and and out on applications while in desktop-mode on a phone.
[22:07] <k1l> Fishscene: yes of course. but for the 5 guys that can work and handle that you get<PHONE_NUMBER>00000 user going nuts on the internet because you dont ship a touch-friendly gui
[22:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l well theres always convergence even if they didn't have touch optimised gui, with that being said, I'd be shocked if they didn't have one or aren't making one, haven't they been trying to get libre office on android for years?
[22:08] <Fishscene> So, so true. A touch-native interface would of course be preferable.
[22:09] <k1l> ChloeWolfieGirl_: i gave up on that on android and just use the google apps which were quickoffice before
[22:10] <nik90> k1l: the video shown by canonical was a proof of concept showing that the OS is capable of converging. it is up to the app devs to ensure that their apps work well on different devices.
[22:11] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l I used WPS, it'd be sweet to get a touch version of LibreOffice on Ubuntu Touch though, that would transform into the desktop version when plugged in,
[22:12] <k1l> yep. i mean we all know that from websites. they have mobile ones and regular ones for desktop. seems the apps devs still need some time now to make it to convergence.
[22:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl_> k1l another thing is that canonical are the only ones doing convergence in this way, I think ms are doing it kinda similarly but only from big tablets to desktop which I wouldn't imagine needing alot of effort comparitivly to ubuntu's convergence from phone to desktop, that combined with the fact that very limited people have ubuntu phones, we;ll be waiting quite a while to see something like this, expecially with a office suite
[22:18] <k1l> ChloeWolfieGirl_: yes
[22:19] <k1l> and if you think of how lon g it took the websites to do working mobile versions, i think we can wait a lot longer for that on the phone if no one from the community cares to take the first shot
[22:19] <adrian47> oh, i see something bad in my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/pPaFSmTX
[22:19] <adrian47> the part from 7.478698


[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:27] <dholbach> dpm and I are going to have a chat about app dev schools in a bit - if anyone's interested to join the hangout, let us know
[09:32] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, just finishing off an e-mail, joining now!
[09:33] <dholbach> dpm, cool
[15:14] <belkinsa> dpm, question: what happened to the LoCo Project idea that you had?


[00:17] <mhall119> caps always gets you better support
[00:50] <aberhow> anyone in here playing with 11.04
[00:50] <knome> aberhow, #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <lighta> hoi does someone know how can I do a recursive merge ?
[07:20] <MaxDamage`> Hey.
[07:21] <MaxDamage`> I made a Live USB, using Xubuntu 10.10, but it doesn't boot. Gets stuck on "Checking battery state" and I'm not even using a laptop/netbook.
[07:21] <MaxDamage`> Also, it does say [ OK ] at the end.
[10:21] <dirtycookie> hi I have a crackling noise in my headphones when there is nothing played, I checked alsamixer where I set everything down to zero but no luck
[11:30] <searching> how to disable Ubuntu Software Center from menu?
[11:35] <Sysi> remove it?
[11:35] <searching> remove from menu
[11:35] <searching> in ubuntu edit menu
[11:35] <searching> but with xubuntu?
[11:36] <Sysi> available (again) on next release
[11:36] <searching> ?
[11:37] <Sysi> aka. no menu editor in xubuntu, but editing config files is possible
[11:37] <searching> is in .config?
[11:38] <searching> good
[11:38] <searching> why after playing vlc system not shutdown complete?
[11:39] <Sysi> shouldn't be about vlc, maybe kernel bug with your hardware
[11:39] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136881
[11:42] <searching> ok
[11:42] <searching> I have dual boot
[11:43] <searching> xubuntu 9.04 and 10.10
[11:43] <searching> in 9.04 I can play games like barn buddy but in 10.10 freeze the system
[11:45] <searching> and can`t shutdown
[11:45] <Sysi> shutdown and freezing are generan problems, you could ask your local community channel
[11:47] <searching> same flash player
[11:47] <searching> in 10.10 youtube works
[16:56] <bhe> clear
[16:57] <knome> fill
[17:01] <bhe> sorry, forgot the '/'
[17:02] <knome> heh, no problem :)
[17:23] <medeman> hey i cant find a server release for xubuntu 10.10...
[17:23] <medeman> any idea?
[17:23] <medeman> is there one?
[17:24] <fragolino> wow I'm in! hi all!
[17:24] <medeman> hi
[17:24] <Sysi> medeman: what do you mean server release
[17:24] <fragolino> I have a litle doubt.
[17:24] <Sysi> xubuntu server = ubuntu server
[17:25] <Sysi> should be available
[17:25] <medeman> but i cant find it
[17:25] <knome> it is ubuntu server
[17:25] <knome> there is no such thing as "xubuntu server" since servers do not have desktop environments
[17:26] <medeman> ubuntu server has
[17:26] <knome> if you install one, yes
[17:27] <fragolino> I installed xubuntu 9.04. then upgraded to something I thought waS xubuntu 9.10. but now update.manger asks me to "update" to ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[17:28] <medeman> hmm knome i just want to use the server as a web server with php and mysql, can i do so in xubuntu desktop?
[17:28] <Sysi> fragolino: should be right, and you should update
[17:28] <knome> fragolino, if you updated, then it still is xubuntu
[17:28] <knome> medeman, yes, if you so wish
[17:28] <knome> medeman, just install php and mysql (and web server of you preference)
[17:28] <medeman> i.e. apache?
[17:28] <knome> yes
[17:29] <medeman> are they all available from the repo?
[17:29] <knome> yes
[17:29] <knome> should be pretty easily guessable names
[17:29] <Sysi> same repos for all *buntu
[17:29] <knome> eg. php5, mysql-server, apache2 (i'm not sure though)
[17:30] <fragolino> Sysi, Knome: I tried to update but I saw he was uninstaling lots of light programs like abiword installing openoffice. (for example)
[17:30] <medeman> okay thanks
[17:30] <knome> fragolino, that definitely sounds weird
[17:33] <fragolino> knome: I escaped from ubuntu, and, honesty I was trying to install debian this morning (but I failed), then suse (which failed):I am now a happy user of Xfce 4 that I love! I do not want to come back to ubuntu, openoffice, (in)volution, and so on...
[17:35] <medeman> xfce is a desktop enviroment i think, not a distribution fragolino ?
[17:35] <Sysi> fragolino: you can always remove software you don't need and replace with your favourites
[17:36] <Sysi> though it shouldn't randomly change installed software
[17:36] <Sysi> do you have ubuntu-desktop installed? how about xubuntu-desktop?
[17:36] <fragolino> update manager says:it is now available the new release of <<10.04.1 LTS>> for Ubuntu. So it sems to me that I updated fron Xubuntu to Ubuntu!
[17:38] <fragolino> I know xfce is just the desktop environment but  I stil have all Xubuntu "architecture" : no evolution for now, no openofice, for now. But if i test the "update" it would like to erase abiwordf and thunderbird!!
[17:40] <Sysi> you still can install them back (but it shouldn't remove them)
[17:40] <Sysi> chevk those two packages i mentioned
[17:40] <fragolino> wait I'm checking..
[17:43] <fragolino> I have DEFINITELY  xubuntu-desktop (but I also have ubuntu keyring, ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard. hope it can helps..
[17:44] <Sysi> i just thought if ubuntu-desktop overrides xubuntu-desktop
[17:46] <fragolino> no, this did not happened! ...but it seems to happen with next update.
[17:47] <Sysi> i mean it could occur in update
[17:51] <fragolino> Sysi, you think is possible?.... I always had ubuntu so I never had the problem to move to ubuntu: but now what can I do? the only hope is install a new Xubuntu 11.04? Does anybody know if there is a "receipt" to DIET XUBUNTU (LIKE the many one exist for Ubuntu)?
[17:52] <Sysi> fragolino: 11.04 is still alpha, 10.04 is LTS if you want it
[17:53] <Sysi> if you want light xubuntu, do command line install from alternate disk (it's in F6 - options) and then install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies (and maybe network-manager-gnome)
[17:54] <Sysi> you can't get as big difference as with gnome
[17:55] <fragolino> ok go on...
[18:02] <fragolino> can I ask another different question?
[18:06] <fragolino> I can not see the new ssd hdd I bought. It is a 1.8" micro sata (and I bought an adapter fot the standard sata cable that fits on the motherboard). is there a command line to inteerogate the sata chanels lloking for something? I mean a powerful "forcing" the look 4..
[18:07] <Sysi> how do you mean "see"?
[18:25] <fragolino> nor the motherboard, nor the operating system detects it...
[18:26] <Sysi> power wire connected?
[18:35] <fragolino> sysi: ? what ?
[18:35] <Sysi> something wrong on low level if you can't see it from bios
[18:35] <fragolino> yes it has a ALSO a power wire: 1 data and 1 power, 2 cables connected
[18:36] <fragolino> when connected to a windows laptop it worked: it is a kingspec1.8" microsata 32gb.
[18:37] <Sysi> can you see it in gparted?
[18:37] <fragolino> the bios is new, and the mobo is also new.
[18:39] <fragolino> when inserting the installation cd I could only see the ide hd and the usb external hd.
[18:40] <fragolino> I fear something bad because the bios says no sata devices....
[19:41] <gnoob> can xfburn copy a CD or create an iso file from a CD?  I can not seem to find a way.
[19:57] <Guest83878> looking for help with video resolution on old dell d600 w/radeon 9000 won't change res ... goes blank unusable xubuntu 10.10
[20:00] <Guest83878> i'll take that as a 'no'
[20:39] <lithpr> has anyone got the weather applet working after upgrading to xfce 4.8 on xubuntu 10.10?
[20:41] <drc> lithpr: nope, didn't work for me either (so your not alone :)
[20:41] <drc> er...you're, that is
[20:41] <lithpr> oaky
[20:41] <lithpr> thank you
[20:42] <drc> np, If you fnd an answer, a note her would be nice
[20:42] <lithpr> will do
[20:44] <lithpr> All external plugins need to recompile to properly use the 4.8 framework. The weather plugin does not support rgba windows (composite), so therefore it crashes, being worked on for the next weather plugin release. For the places plugin I have no idea what is broken.
[20:45] <lithpr> I managed to get all the plugins working except for the weather applet. If you're looking for a temporary solution, the xfapplet plugin still works and you can use the gnome weather applet.
[20:45] <lithpr> trying...
[20:45] <Sysi> i think places is about thunar using different backend
[20:46] <drc> lithpr: So I suppose that xubuntu 11.04 will include the re-compiled plugins...for a new install at least, wonder about an upgrade?
[20:46] <Sysi> there's new plugin for sam purpose, idk name
[20:46] <Sysi> i think i heard that weather-plugin is unmaintained and quite old
[20:47] <Sysi> drc: same packages in upgraded system as clean install
[20:47] <lithpr> drc- the gnome plugin works
[20:47] <drc> Sysi: maybe, but without the weather-plugin, I'm gonna have to go back to GNOME :)
[20:48] <lithpr> yeah, 28F and "mist"y
[20:49] <drc> lithpr: really?  I like that one better anyway...lemme try it
[20:53] <Sysi> drc: unity comes and hits :P
[20:54] <drc> Sysi: I wonder if people understand the close link between Unity and Unification Day ? (in Firefly:)
[20:56] <Sysi> i don't
[20:57] <drc> Sysi: nevermind, it's a complicated story to try and tell here
[20:58] <Sysi> wikipedia told basics
[21:12] <bhe> i did minimal install, installed only what i need and now i want to save the current state of the os to a backup, what's the easy way to do this?
[21:14] <drc> Is there a difference between the xubuntu and xfce sessions on the boot menu (except the menu items, that is)?
[21:14] <lithpr> bhe: i use clonezilla to back up the partition
[21:15] <bhe> oh crap, i forgot, i changed my approach, i installed ubuntu min, and then xfce4, ill change channels, sorry.
[21:15] <lithpr> make sure you use the "image" based option
[21:15] <lithpr> bhe- i do that sort of thing a lot
[21:15] <lithpr> :)
[21:16] <bhe> well, since i have someone's attention... can you help me with somehting?
[21:16] <lithpr> i can try
[21:16] <bhe> after min install, i installed synaptic
[21:16] <lithpr> okay
[21:16] <bhe> seems like my root user doesn't have access to synaptic
[21:16] <bhe> do i need to edit a config somewhere?
[21:17] <lithpr> hmm, well, you can change the permissions with chmod
[21:17] <bhe> 755?
[21:17] <lithpr> but in ubuntu, that's not what you are supposed to do
[21:17] <bhe> oh, gotcha
[21:17] <lithpr> sudo is better
[21:18] <lithpr> but yeah, make the permissions whatever, just make sure the "other" user's execute bit is on
[21:18] <lithpr> when you start that clean, you also have a great opportunity to use aptitude instead of apt-get
[21:18] <bhe> well, i can change the launch command to sudo synaptic and it works
[21:19] <bhe> that an ok practice?
[21:19] <lithpr> sure
[21:20] <bhe> ok, another thing, in xfce how do i edit the application menu
[21:20] <lithpr> the advantage of aptitude is that when you "aptitude remove foo" it gets rid of all the dependencies automatically, which is nice when you are putting a system together from base/min and are experimenting
[21:20] <lithpr> oops, didn't like that - "aptitude remove foo" - yeay! no cruft
[21:21] <bhe> sure, i was just gonna use synaptic to handle that
[21:22] <lithpr> in xubuntu- settings -> main menu
[21:22] <bhe> hmmm no main menu, which pakg i need for it?
[21:22] <drc> lithpr: is that Main Menu in 4.8?
[21:22] <lithpr> oh yeah, right :)
[21:23] <lithpr> i'm on 4.8, i don't know what it is in 4.6 (xubuntu's default)
[21:23] <drc> oh, you bleeding edgers :)
[21:23] <lithpr> 4.8 is pretty sweet
[21:23] <bhe> well this is actully a ubuntu install
[21:23] <bhe> with xfce
[21:23] <lithpr> there is a ppa for xfce 4.8
[21:23] <bhe> so am in in 4.6 or 4.8?
[21:23] <lithpr> works great
[21:24] <lithpr> 4.6 if you did installed xubuntu-desktop (i think that's what its called)
[21:25] <bhe> i didnt install xubuntu desktoip
[21:25] <bhe> i installed xfce4
[21:25] <drc> 4.6 is default in 10.10
[21:25] <bhe> and xfce4-goodies
[21:25] <bhe> gotcha
[21:25] <lithpr> i don't know then- 99% you are 4.6
[21:25] <bhe> ok, do you know which package gives me Main Menu in settings?
[21:25] <lithpr> do you have "about xfce" in accessories?
[21:26] <bhe> negative
[21:27] <bhe> k, it's 4.6
[21:27] <bhe> *from synaptic
[21:27] <lithpr> oic- i installed alacarte
[21:28] <lithpr> one of the benefits of 4.8 is that you can use alacarte :)
[21:28] <bhe> oh, not in my lowly 4.6...
[21:28] <lithpr> i think i read that that was new in 4.8
[21:28] <lithpr> i've never used xfce before
[21:29] <lithpr> smoking brb
[21:29] <drc> lithpr: another refugee from Unity?
[21:30] <bhe> drc, you have any answers for me?
[21:33] <drc> bhe: which question?
[21:34] <bhe> i need (would like) a menu editor for xfce4
[21:35] <drc> the 4.6 version?
[21:35] <bhe> yes
[21:36] <drc> As far as I can fugure, there is not one one for 4.6...I have used alacarte when I added 4.8, but had problems (so I re-installed)
[21:36] <lithpr> drc - yup :)
[21:36] <lithpr> that and the banshee mess
[21:36] <lithpr> easy install, fast repos, lovely human-theme, no guilt :)
[21:37] <lithpr> my only problem with xfce is the lack of docs
[21:37] <lithpr> but i would like to contribute, so maybe i can work on that
[21:37] <nvision_> any chance to get thunar 1.3.0 for xubuntu?
[21:37] <lithpr> nvision_: you get it if you upgrade to 4.8
[21:37] <drc> bhe: There are many How-To's for 4.6, but I never bothered...the menus were just fine for me (I just un-installed any app I didn't want)
[21:38] <nvision_> i installed the alpha3 today and it's thunar 1.2
[21:39] <lithpr> oic- i'm using 10.10 with the 4.8 ppa
[21:40] <bhe> @drc i just need to update the command that launches synaptic, that is all
[21:40] <drc> bhe: Ah...then you might need to use your google-fu
[21:42] <bhe> my g-fu isn't prevailing thus far
[21:44] <drc> bhe: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/3499-xubuntu-modifying-the-applications-menu    ??
[21:45]  * drc wonders why google gives me a 2006 answer when I google "xubuntu+menu"  I mean really...2006?
[21:52] <drc> Is there a difference between the xubuntu and xfce sessions on the boot menu (except the Applications menu items, that is)?
[22:04] <Khajja> quick Q, second day linux user. i want to have a terminal command executed as soon as i log in, where can i put it?
[22:04] <lithpr> .bashrc
[22:05] <Sysi> settings -> session and startup -> autostart
[22:05] <Sysi> all in ~/.bashrc is executed every time you open terminal
[22:05] <Khajja> well that makes it easy, lol. thanks
[22:07] <lithpr> oops, my bad.  .profile then :)
[22:07] <lithpr> still learnin myself :)
[22:10] <realloc> hi
[22:11] <realloc> i can't find xorg.conf file, where does xubuntu save information about graphic card it uses for run xorg?
[22:12] <Sysi> xorg.conf but it doesn't exist anymore by default
[22:12] <Sysi> you can create it xserver stopped, Xorg -configure
[22:13] <realloc> i want to know which graphic card driver is using
[22:14] <Sysi> lspci -k
[22:16] <realloc> but i need to know if xorg is using "vesa", "nvidia", ...
[22:17] <realloc> in xorg.conf this information was in Section "Device"\ Driver "vesa"\ ...\ EndSection
[22:17] <Sysi> lspci -k lists used kernel modules
[22:17] <Sysi> if you haven't installed propietary driver it's propably nouveau
[22:18] <realloc> pcnet32
[22:18] <lithpr> okay, i have a question now.  I wrote a script to change the wallpaper  when i change desktop.  it's currently in my .bashrc, and it's performance improves over time, which makes sense now, since i'm running a new copy of it every time i open a shell... should i add the script to the startup -> autostart then?
[22:18] <realloc> i want that xorg uses vesa
[22:18] <realloc> (btw thanks for your support Sysi)
[22:20] <Sysi> realloc: can i ask why? it isn't very good driver
[22:21] <Sysi> lithpr: you could try
[22:21] <realloc> well, i'm running xubuntu under virtualbox and virtualbox requires vesa :(
[22:21] <Sysi> ah
[22:22] <Sysi> do you have guest-additions?
[22:22] <realloc> is a package? (apt-get install guest-additions)?
[22:22] <realloc> i think not
[22:23] <Sysi> i'm not sure about name but yes
[22:23] <Khajja> @Sysi was able to get it working, thanks!
[22:24] <realloc> virtualbox-guest-additions
[22:24] <realloc> installing...
[22:25] <Sysi> Khajja: np
[22:27] <realloc> what are this package?
[22:27] <Sysi> i'm ot actually sure, but it's made to virtualbox-use
[22:28] <lithpr> thank you, Sysi
[22:28] <Sysi> apt-cache show virtualbox-guest-additions
[22:28] <Sysi> lithpr: np as well :P
[22:30] <Sysi> apt-cache search guest
[22:34] <medeman> oh i dont know why but xubuntu does like ubuntu it freezes at the desktop
[22:35] <medeman> shortly after x started completely
[22:35] <medeman> it takes 5-120 seconds until it hangs up then
[22:35] <Sysi> what graphics card
[22:35] <medeman> nvidia geforce 7300gs
[22:35] <Sysi> what driver?
[22:36] <medeman> same thing happens with mandriva by the way, it works from live-cd but not installed
[22:36] <medeman> hmm Sysi im a linux-noob
[22:36] <Sysi> what xubuntu version?
[22:36] <medeman> i installed using the alternate cd
[22:36] <Sysi> medeman: have you installed propietary driver
[22:36] <medeman> 10.10 32-bit
[22:36] <medeman> no i couldnt cause it freezed before
[22:37] <Sysi> if you log in tty ctrl alt F1 before freeze you could install updates and maybe the driver
[22:38] <medeman> AMD 32-Bit (says 64-Bit, but doesn't work) 1,6Ghz 3000+ processor
[22:38] <Sysi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:38] <medeman> huh
[22:38] <medeman> okay
[22:38] <Sysi> if don't work after reboot you can try installing nvidia-current and reboot
[22:39] <Sysi> just apt-get install nvidia-current
[22:39] <medeman> problem is i dont have internet access
[22:39] <medeman> on that machine
[22:39] <Sysi> you could try 10.04
[22:40] <medeman> whats the difference?
[22:40] <Sysi> kernel and therefore drivers and maybe xorg version
[22:40] <medeman> i tried earlier versions like 9.10, 9.04, 8.10, 8.04 etc.
[22:41] <medeman> trying every time a new (x)ubuntu arrives
[22:41] <Sysi> doesn't work?
[22:41] <Sysi> does some other os work?
[22:41] <medeman> no
[22:41] <medeman> well
[22:41] <medeman> debian, opensuse, windows 2000-7, slitaz
[22:41] <medeman> all not using that nvidia-driver
[22:42] <medeman> if you tell me how to set up internet sharing on mac os x i could have internet access on the xubuntu machine with ethernet
[22:43] <medeman> well, i know how to set it up
[22:43] <Sysi> should be pretty easy with osx
[22:43] <medeman> but it doesnt work
[22:43] <medeman> yea, i think the problem is that my router has <IP_ADDRESS> as ip
[22:43] <medeman> extends the network
[22:43] <medeman> i dunno
[22:43] <medeman> it worked earlier with the other router
[22:43] <medeman> i dunno how i did that
[22:44] <medeman> they can talk to each other locally, but the xubuntu cant talk to the internet
[22:44] <Sysi> hold shift when booting to get to grub menu
[22:45] <medeman> not with any os
[22:45] <medeman> and?
[22:45] <Sysi> then go to edit-mode and add "nomodeset" after quiet splash
[22:45] <medeman> on the installed system?
[22:45] <Sysi> and/or acpi=off
[22:46] <Sysi> yes
[22:46] <medeman> well, i have mandriva installed right now
[22:46] <medeman> im just installing xubuntu again
[22:46] <medeman> mandriva doesnt work
[22:46] <medeman> same problem there
[22:47] <medeman> oh i guess i made internetsharing work =)
[22:47] <medeman> oh no =(
[22:47] <medeman> i didnt
[22:47] <medeman> =(
[22:48] <medeman> however
[22:49] <medeman> if i boot with nomodeset
[22:49] <medeman> and it works
[22:49] <medeman> is there some way to connect to the internet via wifi Sysi ?
[22:49] <medeman> with a Tenda w541u v2.0 stick=
[22:49] <Sysi> from cli it's pretty hard
[22:49] <medeman> *?
[22:49] <medeman> cli?
[22:50] <Sysi> easy with GUI, without it hard
[22:50] <medeman> ah
[22:50] <mark76> Command Line Interface
[22:50] <medeman> and its hard to get to gui without the nvidia drivers without internet connection?
[22:51] <Sysi> try those boot options
[22:51] <Sysi> (can i go to bed now? 1am here)
[22:51] <mark76> SUre
[22:51] <mark76> Go ahead
[22:51] <mark76> :D
[22:53] <medeman> well, i really want to get that internet sharing on os x working
[22:53] <medeman> would make things a lot easier
[22:53] <medeman> yea ill do once installed again
[22:53] <medeman> well you can ;-) 12pm here
[22:53] <medeman> will we see us tomorrow?
[22:53] <medeman> so mark76 you will continue helping me?
[22:53] <medeman> good night Sysi maybe we'll see each other tomorrow
[22:53] <medeman> or today for you ;-)
[22:53] <Sysi> ##mac
[22:53] <Sysi> G'night
[22:53] <medeman> ah ty
[22:54] <mark76> I know nuzzink
[22:54] <medeman> night bye
[22:54] <mark76> Night Sysi


[00:00] <hggdh> chrisccoulson: sorry for the spam I just generated for you... I added a comment on all the bugs asking for people to be careful
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> hggdh, no worries. thanks for that :)
[00:01] <hggdh> welcome
[00:01]  * hggdh expected to be able to be a bit more productive than that this Sunday...
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> i was hoping to be more productive in general over the holiday period, but it didn't really work out
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> i'm back to work tomorrow and i haven't done anything that i intended to do
[00:07] <hggdh> same here... had a whole week off, and produced nothing. Well, actually, I got even more things waiting...
[00:36] <hggdh> allright, powering off. You all have a nice evening/morning/whatever
[03:39] <qwebirc25279> I'm having a problem with kubuntu and plan to file a bug, but not sure which package to file under (it is system-wide). Any suggestions?
[03:39] <micahg> qwebirc25279: what's the problem?
[03:40] <qwebirc25279> It is detailed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1307245&page=2
[03:40] <qwebirc25279> Basically a long system beep during shutdown process.
[03:43] <micahg> qwebirc25279: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[03:44] <qwebirc25279> File at ubuntu bug launchpad or the kubuntu bug website?
[03:44] <micahg> qwebirc25279: from the command line run that command
[03:44] <micahg> you on karmic?
[03:45] <qwebirc25279> Yes
[03:45] <micahg> yep
[03:45] <micahg> so run that command from a terminal
[03:45] <qwebirc25279> Oh i see. Thanks
[08:23] <Louie`> Hello. I would like to submit a bug I found in the control panel under the system meny.
[08:23] <Louie`> But I don't know how to find the right package.
[08:24] <Louie`> Its in the GUI for the control panel when I type in a search string.
[08:33] <^arky^> hi Louie` which application is that?
[08:35] <Louie`> My connection went down, did I miss any answer?
[08:38] <\vish> ^arky^> hi Louie` which application is that?
[08:39] <Louie`> Its named Control Panel under System in the top meny bar.
[08:39] <\vish> Louie`: gnome-control-center
[08:39] <Louie`> Maybe it needs to be enabled under the toolbar settings
[08:40] <Louie`> Thats correct!
[08:40] <Louie`> thank you! :)
[08:40] <\vish> np
[13:20] <yofel> bug 482386 Medium/Triaged
[13:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482386 in python2.6 "ValueError: unknown locale: en_NG " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482386
[13:21] <nigel_nb> yofel: you beat me to it ;)
[13:22] <yofel> yeah, I triaged that bug a while ago and completely forgot about it :/
[13:23] <yofel> Not quite sure it the Importance would be Medium or High though
[13:24] <nigel_nb> yofel: I got there from identi.ca, lots of RT's about that one telling its a shame its not fixed
[13:30] <yofel> nigel_nb: well, that is somwhat understandable, I had the same experience when I filed bug 280188 that took almost a year until it got fixed
[13:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 280188 in libgtkada2 "libgtkada2-bin : trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gdialog', which is also in package zenity" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280188
[13:31] <nigel_nb> ah
[13:31] <yofel> which was one more reason I joined the bugsquad
[13:31] <nigel_nb> hehe
[13:31] <nigel_nb> the problem is a lot of us (like me) dont know how to fix
[13:32] <yofel> well, I think I know how to  fix it, but fact is that my day only has 24 hours and there's a limit to how much time I can invest into Ubuntu
[13:33] <yofel> actually, the fix is even described in the report
[13:35] <thekorn> yofel, if people getting this python2.6 ValueError bug have karmic-updates/-proposed enabled it looks like a regression to me
[13:35] <thekorn> I think you should  ask to run apport-collect on this bug
[13:36] <thekorn> let me try to find the bug which might have introduced this regression
[13:36] <thekorn> bug 223281
[13:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 223281 in python2.6 "locale._parse_localename fails when localename does not contain encoding information (was: alacarte crashed with ValueError in _parse_localename() )" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/223281
[13:38] <BUGabundo_work> hey guys
[13:38] <BUGabundo_work> quick question
[13:38] <BUGabundo_work> anyone knows the eeepc bug with Intel cards?
[13:38] <BUGabundo_work> seems GDM will not work with 2.20
[13:41] <yofel> thekorn: interesting, I'll ask them to see if its a regression then
[13:42] <thekorn> yofel, please wait a second, I'm rereading the bug,
[13:42] <yofel> ok
[13:42] <thekorn> maybe it is not a regression, but should be fixed with the SRU
[13:43] <thekorn> so, it might be fixed in -updates
[13:44] <thekorn> yofel, sorry, ask the to enable karmic-updates, it should be fixed there
[13:44] <yofel> ah, you might be right, I overread the 'just installed' part
[13:45] <thekorn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/python2.6/karmic-updates/revision/40
[13:45] <yofel> isn't -updates enabled by default?
[13:45] <yofel> so just installing updates should be fine
[13:45] <thekorn> right
[15:11] <bddebian> Boo
[15:11] <BUGabundo_work> FOO
[15:12] <bddebian> :)
[15:14] <BUGabundo_work> bddebian: missed me ?
[15:14] <BUGabundo_work> :p
[15:14] <bddebian> Of course :)
[16:02] <BUGabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm-2.20/+bug/491483
[16:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 491483 in gdm "Since failsafe-x was enabled in karmic it starts if gdm is disabled and kdm is used. (low graphics mode error)" [High,Fix released]
[16:02] <BUGabundo_work> wb ogasawara
[17:38] <nahs> Hello
[17:39] <yofel> hi nahs
[17:39] <nahs> I've found this little bug
[17:40] <nahs> I'm wondering if the Ubuntu-team/community are aware of
[17:41] <yofel> nahs: fire away
[17:42] <nahs> When copying something the mouse lags, I've tried this using two computers both having Ubuntu 9.10 installed
[17:43] <nahs> For an example highlight some text using firefox, keep moving the mouse slowly and hit ctrl+v, the mouse will lag for a second and jump to another position
[17:46] <yofel> hm, no idea what would cause that, compiz or your graphics driver maybe
[17:47] <nahs> Well it didn't exist in 9.04
[17:50] <yofel> nahs: well, I don't know what might cause that, wait a while please so that the others get the time to answer you if they see this
[17:50] <nahs> well I've reported it anyway
[17:50] <nahs> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/503041 <--- if anyone's going to see it later.
[17:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503041 in ubuntu "Mouse lags while copying highlighted text." [Undecided,New]
[17:50] <yofel> nahs: ok, thanks :)
[17:50] <nahs> De nada.
[21:01] <bdmurray> hggdh: did kronictokr comment on *lots* of bugs?
[21:02] <hggdh> bdmurray: 16 of them, all with the same insane recommendation
[21:03] <bdmurray> hggdh: oh, I guess I could have used the feature you added to the gm scripts ;-)
[21:03] <hggdh> :-)
[21:03] <hggdh> actaully, these were pretty much all his/her activity lately
[21:04] <bdmurray> hggdh: Have you contacted them?
[21:05] <hggdh> I send an email via LP, asking to stop and come here to #ubuntu-bugs to discuss
[21:05] <hggdh> s/send/sent/
[21:05] <bdmurray> okay, great!
[21:05] <hggdh> so I guess so far nothing of them?
[21:06] <bdmurray> not that I know of
[21:17] <bdmurray> Anybody remember the touchpad click disabled master bug for karmic?
[21:43] <trijntje> hi all, I just found out something pretty funny, but i'm not sure its a bug
[21:44] <trijntje> when i cat a .bin file with compiz + wobbly windows it makes the terminal bounce all around the desktop, I had to kill compiz to make it stop
[21:45] <joaopinto> you are dumping control chars which are likely to produce random terminal changes
[21:46] <trijntje> yeah, my guess would be it causes errors which should make the window 'shiver', but when you have a LOT of them it makes the window bounce out of control..
[21:50] <joaopinto> trijntje, that's not a bug, is not out of control, it's under your control, and you justed ordered to send garbage all over it :)
[21:51] <trijntje> you should try it, its fun :P
[22:33] <BUGabundo> sup o/
[23:30] <BUGabundo> 3
[23:31] <BUGabundo> pt


[00:56] <mup> Bug #1982059 changed: unable to run 30-maas-01-bmc-config script on Inspur i24 NS5160M6 <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1982059>
[19:26] <mup> Bug #1986372 opened: UI: Setting Default minimum kernel version for commissioning blocks deployments <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1986372>
[22:56] <gossip20> Hi everyone, I'm trying to config a bond with multiple vlans in MaaS after commissioning a node but seems impossible. Anyone with some experience that can help here?


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[22:14] <Wild_Man> hello krytarik, where we at with publishing?
[22:14] <Wild_Man> hi Bashing-om
[22:18] <krytarik> Hi Wild_Man.  Quite surprisingly almost done - only Bashing-om used the wrong sender address for the latter two emails. :P
[22:18] <krytarik> And still fumbling with the forums too I guess.
[22:19] <Wild_Man> Okay, I will wait and see then
[22:20] <Wild_Man> I am going to work while he tries to publish to the forum but I will keep an eye on my laptop
[22:24] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Gonna try again .. - was not aware that there was a propr procedure that had to be done .
[22:25] <Wild_Man> like what Bashing-om ?
[22:25] <Wild_Man> file to large?
[22:26] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: got me ! ./. I do not know .. getting " Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing." as well as more .
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: should I back all the way back out of the forum and try again ?
[22:27] <Wild_Man> to large, remove a section of the updates then post it and edit right away the updates back in
[22:27] <Wild_Man> No
[22:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 532 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/06/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-532/
[22:28] <Wild_Man> Post the letter with a section of the updates removed then edit and add them back in and click save
[22:28] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: K .. will do
[22:29] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, just be careful when you add the updates that you remove back in that they are correct it
[22:34] <Bashing-om> ues .. removed one section .. still not able to post " Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing." pull another section ?
[22:35] <Wild_Man> yes
[22:35] <Bashing-om> K
[22:37] <Bashing-om> workie ! adding back att .
[22:38] <Wild_Man> Okay
[22:42] <Bashing-om> And done :)
[22:44] <Wild_Man> Cool, good job!
[22:49] <Bashing-om> For someone who does not know what they are doing ... yeah Good Job Bashing-om :P
[22:52] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, it will get easier, if it was not for the security issue it would be very simple
[22:54] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Just learning what to expect when and where :) .. proceeding next to editing the go-to links.
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[23:13] <Bashing-om> Think now all that is left to-do is clear out Gdocs for the next issue . I do that next up .. A pause now for the cause .
[23:33] <Bashing-om> OK now go to work on issue 533 .


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[00:05] <PriceChild> Could we please discuss what has happenned with the US LoCo channel naming? I was not online last night and have only heard it from there point of view.
[00:06] <PriceChild> *their
[00:46] <PriceChild> (gnine asked me in pm about his ban in -offtopic)
[00:46] <GNine> yes
[00:48] <PriceChild> ping elkbuntu
[00:51] <PriceChild> !o4o
[00:51] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-ops. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[00:51] <PriceChild> s/-ops/-offtopic/
[00:51] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[00:51] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[00:51] <PriceChild> Could you read those two please GNine?
[00:51] <PriceChild> Ping me when done.
[00:52] <GNine> what am i looking for in those articles
[00:53] <Seeker`> GNine: You are expected to read them through
[00:53] <GNine> i broke the rule i got banned. fine. i want access. so am asking for it.
[00:54] <Seeker`> I suspect it is to help you understand how you should behave in ubuntu channels
[00:56] <GNine> i know how to behave in ubuntu channels. that i broke the rule according to whichever op is past tense now.  i guarantee you i could dig up much worst violations that have not been 'prosecuted' for whatever reason. sort of like in real life.
[00:56] <PriceChild> GNine, I would rather you read the guidelines, to understand what we expect you to abide by in future.
[00:57] <GNine> am not upset though.  i just want access to media. i , am a collabotator or, supporter , of the ubuntu cause , or movement.  if i didnt have the system installed i wouldnt be around these servers
[00:58] <PriceChild> I'm not asking you to sign your life away... just five minutes to confirm that you have read the guidelines.
[01:03] <GNine> alright. done reading.
[01:05] <PriceChild> Woohoo... and wow 5 minutes 18 seconds... I'm psychic.
[01:05] <PriceChild> GNine, ok so if I let you into -offtopic again, you understand we expect you to abide by those guidelines etc. etc. and just use your common sense? Ie not testing the limits when an op is dealing with another user?
[01:06] <GNine> 10-4
[01:06] <PriceChild> *isn't in the military or wherever you use those numbers*
[01:07] <GNine> thats Citizens Band code. also named 10-codes .  and also use (in part) in law enforcement as well as in the military .
[01:08] <PriceChild> GNine, could you give me a linky to where they're explained? I've always wanted to know what they all mean. You may rejoin #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:08] <GNine> there are 200 10-code codes
[01:09] <Seeker`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-code
[01:09] <GNine> thats a start
[01:09] <GNine> and, thank you
[01:10] <PriceChild> thank you too GNine
[01:19]  * GNine is away: turkey dinner
[01:22]  * GNine is back (gone 00:03:10)
[01:22]  * GNine is away:
[01:25] <nalioth> GNine: please turn that off  :)
[01:26] <GNine> yah.. am trying. my mistake. am out
[01:26] <PriceChild> nalioth, been talking about it in -offtopic
[01:53] <LjL> nalioth, PriceChild, i don't quite agree though that we should have some channels with one naming convention and others with a different one. that doesn't help users, although it might make some loco people happier...
[01:53] <LjL> as i said yesterday
[01:53] <LjL> the world has many countries
[01:53] <LjL> said countries often are big enough to have regions
[01:53] <LjL> since there's about 200 countries each with its regions, name clashes just will occur
[01:53] <LjL> the US isn't the only country entitled to have sub-country loco channels i believe
[01:54] <LjL> besides, for those channels that *don't* clash, forwards can be and are set
[01:55] <PriceChild> Ok yes.
[01:56] <LjL> nobody's saying they just all have to do it overnight
[01:56] <nalioth> not at all
[01:56] <PriceChild> That's pretty much the impression they've gotten though I think.
[01:57] <PriceChild> meh I can't remember what I was thinking a few hours ago.
[01:57] <LjL> PriceChild, for what i'm concerned, they have all rights to first arrange with the bot owners of any bots that are in their channel (such as ubotu to begin with) to move to the new channels, and they can do the move when they have time
[01:57] <LjL> but eventually i also think they should move
[02:02] <LjL> nalioth, the reason my bots kept spamming -unregged since 21 to 23 (and more) seems to be that chanserv wasn't replying to their pings. on the other hand, it must have replied to flootbot3, otherwise it would have dropped the limit... could there be any reason why chanserv started ignoring them?
[02:04] <nalioth> no clue, LjL
[02:07] <LjL> oh, uhm, actually, i was grepping the logs incorrectly
[02:07] <LjL> i know why they did that. same reason as yesterday's apparent misbehavior
[02:07] <LjL> more than 50 users difference between channel and limit
[02:07] <LjL> and due to the "safe" algorithm i use, it takes a *long* time for the limit to catch up again with the users count
[02:08] <LjL> so they stayed in emergency mode all that time
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[02:47] <Hobbsee> !ping
[02:47] <ubotu> pong
[02:49] <Dave2> the bots cheat, they never miss returning the ball.
[02:58] <TheSheep> Dave2: they do. on netsplits.
[02:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !no, recon is <reply> recon stands for reconnect.
[03:02] <LjL> !recon-#ubuntu-offtopic is <reply> recon stands for something related to lousy Internet service providers.
[03:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:02] <crdlb> Ubotwo: ping
[03:02] <ompaul> ahh dude he forgots what it was he was
[03:02]  * ompaul goes back to sleep
[03:02] <crdlb> missed that one :p
[03:03] <ompaul> LjL, forget what I said - I need to sleep :)
[03:03]  * ompaul goes to the land of nond
[03:03] <ompaul> nod
[03:03] <LjL> night ompaul :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> !ping
[03:40] <ubotu> pong
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> hey Pici I think you mentioned once you have all your join/part messages set to anther window on your irc client
[04:04] <Paddy_EIRE> ?
[07:41] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (multiverse)
[07:41] <ubotu> multiverse called the ops in #ubuntu (astro76)
[07:43] <Madpilot> dealt with.
[07:48] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Imperium)
[07:50] <nixternal> my god, the image that imperium posted was horrid
[07:54] <stdin> you should know not to click on random links by now :
[07:54] <stdin> *:p
[07:57] <tritium> nixternal: the scary thing is those who enjoy violence towards animals would likely enjoy violence towards humans
[07:58] <nixternal> tritium: please don't bring that up...I watched the PETA movie on HBO today called "I am an animal" and I literally almost cried at some of the crap I seen
[07:58] <nixternal> stdin: I click on them to see if they are ban worthy instead of taking someone elses word for it
[07:59] <tritium> nixternal: oh yeah?
[08:00] <FloodBot1> WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit
[08:00] <nixternal> dude it was horrible...they showed videos of skinners from like the 70s and 80s that was god awful man
[08:01] <tritium> I can only imagine.
[08:01] <nixternal> worse than anything faces of death ever showed
[08:02] <nixternal> is FloodBot* going to receive a name change before he goes live in a main channel?
[08:03] <nixternal> I know if I was in a main channel and seen floodbot, I would get all of my 1337 5c|2ip7 k1ddi3z after um :p
[08:03] <tritium> both sounds like movies I'll avoid watching, then
[08:03] <nixternal> faces of death was a hoax, but still showed some gruesom stuff
[08:36] <FloodBot2> WARNING: Channel CTCP on #ubuntu (PING<PHONE_NUMBER> 277874)
[10:51] <Daviey> isn't it ironic that FloodBot* is flooding this channel? :D
[10:51] <Gary> haha
[10:51] <Gary> yeah
[10:52] <Daviey> Gary: o/
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[14:17] <ubotu> Juhaz called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[14:17] <Tm_T> where is all ops
[14:18] <Tm_T> .
[14:18] <Tm_T> this is bit silly
[14:18] <Tm_T> hat here but not in #ubuntu(-offtopic)
[14:20] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm becoming frustrated
[14:20] <stdin> what's up Tim_T :p
[14:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: you need ops?
[14:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: not currently
[14:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: keep 'em anywya.
[14:21] <Tm_T> roger
[14:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: and ask for permanent ones
[14:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I have asked
[14:22] <Tm_T> and I did get
[14:22] <PriceChild> Tm_T, who'd you ask?
[14:22] <Tm_T> ...to here
[14:22] <Tm_T> seveas
[14:22] <PriceChild> Tm_T, seveas isn't the contact anymore
[14:22] <Tm_T> well he atleast had rights back then
[14:23] <PriceChild> Tm_T, fixed
[14:23] <Tm_T> thank you sir
[14:24] <PriceChild> Tm_T, are you not in ubuntu-irc?
[14:24] <Tm_T> I am
[14:25] <PriceChild> aha got you
[14:26] <Tm_T> PriceChild: :)
[14:28] <Tm_T> and I'm sorry if anyone felt that I'm complaining to us ops, it was towards spammers not you/us
[14:36] <Seeker`> who do you ask for permanent ops?
[14:36] <nalioth> Seeker`: you don't.
[14:37] <Tm_T> hah
[14:37] <Tm_T> I so waited that answer
[14:38] <Seeker`> Hobb see told Tm_T to ask for permanent ops...
[14:38] <nalioth> but he didn't
[14:38] <nalioth> and neither should you
[14:38] <Seeker`> if he was going to, who would he ask?
[14:39] <Tm_T> Seeker`: prolly sabdfl
[14:39] <Tm_T> just to get k-lined or so
[14:39] <Gary> haha
[14:39] <Tm_T> I wonder if he btw has op rights at all anywhere
[14:42] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, i'm pretty sure he doesnt
[14:43] <Seeker`> i suspect that if he wanted them he would get them
[14:43] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: that's what I assume
[14:44] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, i doubt he wants/has time for them
[14:44] <Tm_T> yup
[14:44] <Tm_T> nor has needs
[14:44] <Gary> whats he doing at the mo?
[14:45] <Tm_T> Gary: ?
[14:45] <Gary> Mark Shuttleworth - whats he doing?  ie what does he do each day
[14:45] <Tm_T> ah
[14:45] <elkbuntu> Gary, he has lots of meetings and so forth most days
[14:46] <stdin> he works on world domination
[14:46] <Tm_T> stdin: aren't we all?
[14:46] <stdin> not for ubuntu, just for himself :p
[14:46] <Tm_T> nooooooooooooo
[14:46] <Gary> must be a boring life - full of meetings
[14:47] <Gary> i'd hate that
[14:47] <Gary> does he have any hobbies, not including overpriced commuting
[14:47] <PriceChild> well he does do some developing...
[14:47] <Daviey> Gary: I think he collects stamps :)
[14:47] <elkbuntu> Gary, go to markshuttleworth.com and read
[14:48] <Daviey> And I think he's also into DIY Taxidermy
[14:49] <elkbuntu> surely you're making stuff up now
[14:49] <Gary> haha
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[18:39] <poeloq> Hey guys
[18:39] <PriceChild> Hey poeloq.
[18:39] <poeloq> what is the normal procedure to become a #ubuntu op?
[18:40] <tritium> poeloq: you start by not asking to become one
[18:40] <poeloq> tritium: that is what I expected :)
[18:40] <PriceChild> You're asking about #ubuntu in particular...
[18:40] <PriceChild> You get asked by the Ubuntu IRC Council (the channel contact) to op.
[18:41] <poeloq> yes, that is the only channel I am currently helping on
[18:41] <poeloq> PriceChild: Thanks!
[18:41] <PriceChild> We normally choose new ops from those helping lots when we feel we need more ops.
[18:41] <Tm_T> PriceChild: yup, normally
[18:41] <poeloq> cool, that seems like the best way. It doesn't seem like there is a big need for too many OPs as it is
[18:42] <poeloq> not much silliness going on over there
[18:42] <tritium> it varies
[18:43] <PriceChild> Friday nights on school holidays noticably different.
[18:43] <poeloq> PriceChild: I can imagine :)
[18:43] <poeloq> Luckily private messaging is disable for unregistered users
[18:43] <poeloq> On DalNet it is crazy
[18:44] <poeloq> Is idling allowed/encourage on #ubuntu
[18:45] <tritium> There is no problem with idling, poeloq
[18:46] <poeloq> cool
[18:46] <crdlb> can you imagine if those 1200 people *weren't* mostly idling? :)
[18:46] <poeloq> that would be quite crazy :)
[18:46] <poeloq> That is one of the disadvantages of big IRC rooms
[18:46] <PriceChild> poeloq, no it isn't....
[18:46] <PriceChild> poeloq, by default... you don't accept messages from unregistered users.
[18:46] <PriceChild> Ubuntu IRC ops are suggested to turn that "feature" off.
[18:48] <poeloq> PriceChild: Of course, that seems like a reasonable thing. I would be annoyed if I couldn't contact any Ops by /msg.
[18:48] <poeloq> And Freenode is a lot more grown up than many other networks
[19:15] <poeloq> I am off
[19:15] <poeloq> thanks guys
[19:53] <PriceChild> Hi jimmacdonald, can I help?
[19:58] <jimmacdonald> PriceChild:  no man I am good... things are setup perfectly.... just lurking.
[19:59]  * tritium points jimmacdonald to the /topic
[19:59]  * jimmacdonald Lurks away.
[20:00] <tritium> I didn't _ask_ him to leave...
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[20:22] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you set me as contact for #ubuntu-us-ne please?
[20:24] <PriceChild> *thinks we should all poke a certain someone at once to get the gcf sorted*
[20:25] <Gary> I dread to think how many outstandings there are
[20:25] <vorian> PriceChild, New York has a squatter
[20:26] <vorian> also
[20:26] <vorian> :)
[20:26] <vorian> -us-ny
[20:26] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you give me #ubuntu-us-ny too please?
[20:27] <crdlb> the gcf? don't you already have that? :)
[20:27] <PriceChild> crdlb, nope...
[20:27] <crdlb> you need another GCF for #ubuntu-us* ?
[20:28] <PriceChild> crdlb, no
[20:28] <PriceChild> crdlb, the old gcf is in effect... is seveas
[20:28] <crdlb> ah
[20:28] <PriceChild> crdlb, we're waiting for a new one to be approved, listing the 4 of us for #ubuntu,go,k.x.edu,
[20:41] <Seeker`> GCF?
[20:42] <crdlb> group contact form
[20:42] <crdlb> it's the only way to "repossess" # channels in a certain namespace
[20:46] <Pici> GCF sounds like some sort of video game faction
[20:48] <Pumpernickel> GameCube Forum
[20:48] <Pici> Ground Control Force
[20:50] <ubotu> rr72 called the ops in #ubuntu-chicago ()
[20:50] <nixternal> nevermind that idiot
[23:02] <Amaranth> !info sunbird
[23:02] <ubotu> sunbird: Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 7506 kB, installed size 22304 kB
[23:03] <Amaranth> !info sunbird hardy
[23:03] <ubotu> sunbird: Sunbird stand-alone Calendar. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 7506 kB, installed size 22304 kB
[23:23] <ubotu> macogw called the ops in #ubuntu (zejosh is being vulgar)


[13:16] <Hauke> hi
[13:17] <Hauke> this commit has a merge error: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/acelan/ubuntu-trusty.git/commit/include/linux/netdevice.h?id=2da204a8f67fbe25816cbce8cc8551f03d5b951a
[13:17] <Hauke> "struct pcpu_sw_netstats" was not added in the upstream commit which was backported and is unrelated
[19:49] <cyking> fprietog, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:49] <cyking> oops