[02:43] <Qwell_> So, what is the new one to tell Unity to GTFO of my way?  gnome-session-fallback isn't doing it on the Pangolin alpha.
[02:43] <Qwell_> new way, that is
[03:06] <hateb> Any chances for appmenu only if window is maximized ?
[03:12] <Lint> what is 12.10 codema,e?
[04:34] <bjrohan> anyone here?
[04:35] <bjrohan> I don't see anyone listed to the right :-(
[04:51] <bjrohan> ?
[04:51] <bjrohan> poolie?
[04:51] <bjrohan> philipballew
[04:51] <philipballew> bjrohan, yes?
[04:51] <bjrohan> I am having some issues with 12.04 I think and am looking for help
[04:52] <bjrohan> I have a desktop and laptop, yesterday they were both running 11.10, connected wirelessly to a wireless router
[04:53] <bjrohan> yesterday I changed them both to the wireless DSL modem. After doing so I did not check to see if one could still log into the other
[04:53] <bjrohan> Today I upgraded the laptop to 12.04. I can ping each other machine, but can not find the files one each other using Nautilus
[04:53] <bjrohan> any suggestions?
[04:56] <snadge> have you tried turning them on and off again? if yes.. have you tried a large hammer ;)
[04:57] <bjrohan> i have rebooted the laptop, not the desktop
[04:57] <bjrohan> is that what you mean?
[04:57] <snadge> well i just accessed another 12.04 system, from a 12.04 system .. via nautilus / samba
[04:57] <c_smith> is this a place I can discuss features that strike me as good ones in Precise?
[04:58] <snadge> so you'll need to try and debug what isnt working i guess.. you can use tools like smbclient
[04:59] <bjrohan> What would I be looking for in the smbclient? WHen I bring it up, all it shows in directory is the printer
[05:03] <snadge> maybe on upgrade.. its forgotten about what things you were sharing
[05:03] <snadge> you could try restarting the server.. or checking that the shares you expect to see are still shared
[05:03] <snadge> or re-sharing them... if you used the gui to do it
[05:04] <snadge> thats a bit dodgy.. but after a while you expect things like that ;)
[05:04] <cheako> How can I disable the power buttons on my keyboard, they are in the way and unfortunate to press unintentionally.
[05:04] <snadge> well you could lever the key cap off.. then attack the switch with a hammer and screwdriver
[05:05] <cheako> snadge: I'm so there.
[05:06] <cheako> There should be a switch to disable them or at the least need the alt key held.
[05:06] <snadge> there probably is.. but i dont know it.. im just looking in the keyboard / layout settings now
[05:07] <cheako> I'm talking about on the keyboard.
[05:08] <snadge> yeah.. it looks like you cant even customise what happens when you press the power/suspend button in ubuntu anymore
[05:08] <snadge> continuing in the grand tradition of removing configurable options ;)
[05:08] <snadge> eventually there will just be one button in ubuntu.. you press it.. and it makes a retarded clown noise
[05:08] <poolie> someone called?
[05:09] <poolie> or just mis-tabbed?
[05:10] <snadge> and that button will probably get removed because it doesnt pass usability testing at the special school.. for blind and deaf people ;)
[05:10] <cheako> task exe:745 blocked for more then 120 seconds.  Looks like journal recovery.
[05:11] <snadge> my netbook has lost the option to hibernate from the logout menu
[05:11] <snadge> its either a bug.. or, hibernate is too confusing for people so it was removed
[05:13] <cheako> I'm rebooting, on purpose this time.
[05:18] <cheako> ahh, no-mater what the journal recovery blocks.
[05:18] <snadge> doesnt sound good.. you've tried running fsck?
[05:19] <cheako> Good call, I should do that so there will be no need for the kernel to do it.
[05:22] <bjrohan> Restarted both machines, no difference :-( When I simply click on the Browse Network in Nautilus, nothing happens, any suggestions?
[05:23] <cheako> no fsck on this initrd :(
[05:24] <snadge> you'll need to boot off a livecd or liveusb
[05:24] <snadge> if its your root filesystem
[05:24] <snadge> you might be able to force an fsck on early boot with it mounted read-only.. but im not sure if that will work
[05:26] <cheako> a -o ro mount still recovers journal.
[05:27] <cheako> I think the problem is that the underlying lvm is read-only.
[05:32] <snadge> http://linux.aldeby.org/post/linux-ubuntu-force-fsck-filesystem-check-at-reboot.html
[05:32] <cheako>  /forcefsck ?
[05:33] <cheako> Yeah, that happens after initrd.
[05:34] <cheako> Booting off USB and running fsck has the same problem.
[05:34] <cheako> at least I can strace now though.
[05:35] <bjrohan> snadge, any clue as to why I am unable to connect to my desktop (11.10) from my laptop (12.04) in nautilus, but can remote desktop share?
[05:42] <cheako> hmm, fsck reading writing reading writing and then writ hung.
[05:43] <cheako> seek set 8192.
[07:00] <ripps> For a couple days now, it seems that gnome-about and gnome-desktop-data has been holding my update hostage. It can't resolve dependecies
[07:12] <micahg> ripps: gnome-about was removed from precise, how are you trying to upgrade?
[07:14] <ripps> micahg: sudo aptitude full-upgrade, when that shows that there are dependency problems, I use sudo apt-get upgrade to do simple upgrade, but apt-gets a unable to run full-resolver error
[07:14] <ripps> aptitude does offer to remove gnome-about, but it also list about 30 other packages with it.
[07:14] <micahg> ripps: i386 ones?
[07:14] <ripps> I don't know, aptitude doesn't say
[07:15] <micahg> huh?  it usually lists the packages
[07:15] <ripps> yeah, but it doesn't specify i386 or amd64
[07:15] <micahg> anyways, apt-get dist-upgrade might work
[07:15] <micahg> otherwise, go into aptitude ncurses and see which package is broken and why
[07:16] <ripps> yeah, that seems to be working better. dist-upgrade seems to be recommending a better solution.
[07:16] <cheako> I use apt-cache policy
[07:18] <cheako> In this case I'd do "apt-cache policy gnome-about" after seeing that it's not available I'd then run "apt-get --purge remove gnome-about"
[07:40] <micahg> cheako: yes, but users shouldn't need to know that, if the upgrade path was broken, we'd prefer to know to fix it, but if dist-upgrade is handling it correctly, we're fine
[09:12] <thevinci> looking for some help with Precise Pangolin Alpha, and multi monitor issues
[09:12] <thevinci> it won't let me have both screens at the widescreen ratio
[09:12] <thevinci> #join
[09:13] <cheako> thevinci: I'm thinking the video card can't handle the 'total' resolution.  Try doing above/below instead of left/right.
[09:14] <thevinci> thanks
[09:14] <cheako> If that works then another video card or using two cards are options.
[09:15] <thevinci> totally worked!
[09:15] <thevinci> on a laptop, so,multiple cards might be difficult, heh
[09:16] <cheako> yeah, that's vary common issue for multiple monitors.  Even when it seams to work many of the cards features, like opengl, might not work.
[09:17] <thevinci> I'm really enjoying Precise so far!
[09:17] <thevinci> I wanna give as much feed back as I can, any pointers?
[09:18] <thevinci> been sending error reports as often as I get the chance to. So far pretty stable and smooth though.
[09:19] <cheako> You running popularity contest?  I think in Ubuntu it's a checkbox under software sources.
[09:19] <thevinci> Um, where do i find that in unity?
[09:20] <thevinci> I just made the switch to unity, been running Lucid for the past year
[09:20] <cheako> http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[09:20] <cheako> install the popularity-contest package.
[09:20] <thevinci> i don't see the software sources icon in the dash when i type 'software'
[09:21] <cheako> yeah, I think now there is just a single control panel.
[09:22] <cheako> software-properties-gtk is the application.
[09:22] <cheako> though I don't know if it exists on Precise.
[09:23] <thevinci> just tried to install it
[09:23] <thevinci> seems to already be on there
[09:24] <thevinci> but i have been running in to a lot of packages that aren't in the repos
[09:24] <thevinci> 'yet' i hope!
[09:24] <thevinci> found it!
[09:25] <thevinci> i like how alt-f2 integrates with the dash :)
[09:35] <thevinci> any idea how to change the refresh rate of the second monitor? I'm finding info on how to change the main screen res, but nothing for a secondary
[10:09] <scarleo> Is anyone else having trouble with XBMC 11.0 BETA3 and 12.04? I have bad color distortions
[10:09] <scarleo> Anyone know where it's coming from?
[10:17] <ikonia> wow - you're using two beta product and you're surprised you are having problems
[10:19] <Ian_Corne> he's not surprised
[10:19] <Ian_Corne> he's just asking
[10:20] <ikonia> I doubt people are using that combination of products beyond very few people
[10:21] <ikonia> I can't see many people testing beta productions on pre-release OS's unless they are part of the development/test teams
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> well, if he was using beta3 on 11.10
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> and now is using it on 12.04
[10:21] <Ian_Corne> i don't see the issue
[10:21] <ikonia> because things have changed
[10:22] <Ian_Corne> yes, so he needs to try and see if he will have problems when he upgrades
[10:22] <ikonia> the beta3 build maybe changing have known bugs in it
[10:22] <ikonia> same with the OS, so you are trouble shooting two moving targets
[10:22] <ikonia> he's seen he's got problems with it, so now he knows
[10:30] <scotty^> Is anyone working on the issue described in launchpad bug 933495 ?
[10:33] <snadge> not that big of a deal
[10:33] <snadge> it must've only just broken in the past 24 hours
[10:35] <scarleo> ikonia, I'm not surprised at all, this is why we are testing, right? To find things that doesn't work. Well the reason for my question was if anyone had found out what is causing it, as simple as that
[10:35] <snadge> well i have it installed
[10:35] <snadge> so it cant have unmet dependencies
[10:36] <snadge> try changing your repo to the main server
[10:36] <snadge> or wait until your mirror syncs
[10:36] <ikonia> scarleo: it's unlikey that people are testing beta software on beta OS, so finding people who share your issue will be rarer, more so as either the OS or the application can have known issues that will be fixed before release. (or not)
[10:36] <ikonia> scarleo: try the stable application with the development OS as a base line
[10:38] <scarleo> ikonia, I know this isn't a perfect environment for testing either of the products, but fact is that XBMC Beta3 works fine on 11.10 so something has definitely changed (I have both 12.04 and 11.10 installed)
[10:40] <snadge> hmm.. im running xbmc on 12.04
[10:40] <scarleo> snadge, what version?
[10:40] <snadge> but theres been no new builds for a while
[10:40] <snadge> xvba fork
[10:40] <snadge> Version: 2:11.0~git20120128.4bf8428-0ubuntu1~ppa1~precise
[10:41] <scarleo> snadge, my build was compiled on Feb 7, from XBMC unstable PPA
[10:43] <scarleo> xbmc 2:11.0~git20120207.1fef727-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric
[10:43] <scarleo> I'll try another one
[10:44] <scotty^> It's been broken since 17th Feb
[10:45] <scotty^> snadge - are you using 32 bit Ubuntu or 64bit Ubuntu?
[10:46] <snadge> 64
[10:46] <snadge> didnt really the oneiric build has also stopped
[10:46] <scotty^> Oh hang on, you are talking about a different issue, aren't you?
[10:46] <snadge> s/really/realise
[11:10] <scotty^> Is anyone working on the issue described in launchpad bug 933495 ?
[11:13] <zzecool> scotty^:  are you sure  that you are using the main archive server?
[11:14] <zzecool> i dont think so
[11:14] <zzecool> because i didnt had any problem
[11:16] <scotty^> zzecool - I have'nt tried myself yet.  Are you running 64bit Ubuntu Precise or 32bit Ubuntu Precise?
[11:17] <zzecool> 64bit
[11:17] <zzecool> make sure that you are using the main server
[11:17] <zzecool> and not any local
[11:19] <scotty^> I doubt that all the people in those bugs changed the server.  Main is the default, right.  Maybe your experience means that it's fixed now, which is good news.
[11:20] <scotty^> oops, I meant to add a question mark after "right".
[11:23] <zzecool> no mian is not the default
[11:23] <zzecool> main
[11:23] <scotty^> OK, I am with you now.
[11:24] <scotty^> Does that mean the fix will propogate to the other servers with time?
[11:24] <zzecool> scotty^: i think  propper server is picked on the installation based on your time zone - country - town
[11:24] <zzecool> prolly
[11:24] <zzecool> or just try with main
[11:24] <scotty^> yeah, mine is the AU server
[11:24] <zzecool> some times there is a delay to sync all the mirrors
[11:24] <zzecool> its normal
[11:27] <zzecool> Most of the times problems with dependencies occur when the mirror in not completely synced with the main server
[11:27] <scotty^> OK.  Hopefully by release everyone can install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg without needing to mess with the server setting, which wouldn't be very newbie friendly.
[11:28] <zzecool> prolly
[11:28] <zzecool> im on precise since alpha 1
[11:28] <zzecool> and i all rdy got this update without any problem
[12:36] <TeTeT> is the problem that popups (e.g. right click for context menu) sometimes are all transparent specific to the binary nvidia driver I use, or a common problem?
[12:37] <os12> you using nvidia cards?
[12:37] <TeTeT> yes
[12:38] <brobostigon> how does HUD work inside recent unity updates, i know you press alt, but what after that should i expect.?
[12:38] <os12> TeTeT: likewise here
[12:38] <TeTeT> os12: you've seen this behaviour?
[12:39] <os12> right clicking sometimes on the webpage appears also
[12:41] <Daekdroom> brobostigon, the HUD shows up at top left, and then you can type down to search what you want.
[12:42] <brobostigon> Daekdroom: so i press alt- do i press only once, or keep my finger down?
[12:42] <Daekdroom> Press only once.
[12:42] <brobostigon> ok, let me try, thank you.
[12:43] <brobostigon> Daekdroom: i have it, thank you.
[13:33] <iceroot> anyone else facing black gtk-windows on latest 12.04? (also posted on #lubuntu)
[14:04] <zzecool> i hate that ubuntu every version changes the defualt apps
[14:04] <zzecool> like banshee  thunderbird etc
[14:04] <zzecool> what was the problem with banshee and we went back to Rhythmbox?
[14:04] <zzecool> i think banshee is much better
[14:04] <chmac> I've installed skype, and it's working, but it's showing a broken dependency on ia32-libs.  Skype works, the dependency is not installed. I'm not clear on what you're suggesting.
[14:08] <zzecool> os12: i didnt get the question
[14:09] <zzecool> chmac:  skype needs 32 libs to work 100%  its a dependency .   There is no point  its the propper way
[14:09] <zzecool> its not a native 64 app
[14:09] <zzecool> what more do you wanna know ?
[14:11] <chmac> zzecool: What I'd like to know is the answer to my actual question! ;-)
[14:11] <chmac> zzecool: ia32-libs is outdated, multi-arch is the future, whatever that means.
[14:11] <krnekhelesh> chmac: I agree to zzecool, skype is a native 32 bit app
[14:11] <chmac> zzecool: I really don't mind, I don't want to install ~200 packages for ia32-libs.
[14:12] <chmac> krnekhelesh: No dispute there, but the key thing here for me is that *skype works* right now, today, I'm talking to people, it works.
[14:14] <chmac> I've tried simply modifying the DEBIAN/control file within the .deb, but it says the archive is "read only". GPG issue maybe?
[14:14] <os12> i'm not changing to 64bit until all my apps using really supports 64 though my laptop and pc's are capable of running 64bit OS besides i only have 3gig ram.
[14:15] <zzecool> im out some day you will understand
[14:15] <chmac> os12: I've had no issues since switching. Flash / skype used to be a problem, but they work fine these days.
[14:16] <os12> chmac, yeah i heard it also but not yet for me.
[14:22] <chmac> Ok, so I edited the DEBIAN/control file, remade the .deb, installed, and hey presto, we have lift off. :-)
[14:22] <chmac> Now time for lunch.
[14:58] <somethinginteres> How can I update the Ubuntu installer that comes with  12.04 Alpha 2? There's a bug stopping me from getting up to partitioning stage.
[15:01] <glosoli> somethinginteres: why don't you just download daily iso and try it ?
[15:02] <somethinginteres> glosoli: I would but I've limited bandwidth and already downloaded Alpha 2 prior to discovering dailies existed.
[15:03] <glosoli> somethinginteres: ah, sorry for suggestion then :/
[15:03] <somethinginteres> glosoli: it's no worries! Tis a fair question
[15:04] <ironhalik> well, you probably will need to get the daily iso
[15:05] <glosoli> ironhalik: he can't :/
[15:05] <ironhalik> I dont think theres any other way
[15:05] <ironhalik> fedora had some magicall way of updating rawhide ISOs to latest daily
[15:05] <ironhalik> so testers wouldnt habe to get 4gigs+
[15:05] <glosoli> somethinginteres: Maybe you have neighbor or anyone else, who can get daily for you :) ?
[15:06] <somethinginteres> ironhalik, glosoli: yeah I am sure I can find a hotspot somewhere to download it. Thanks.
[15:06] <valdur55> somethinginteres, you can use zsync ;)
[15:07] <Daekdroom> Indeed, zsync would only download the differences between the ISOs
[15:07] <TeTeT> somethinginteres: not sure if it's of any help, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage might help to reduce your d/l
[15:07] <Daekdroom> Which by this time should be a lot, regardless.
[15:07] <glosoli> hmm the difference will be too big.
[15:09] <valdur55> but there is no other way to update your alpha2 iso
[15:10] <somethinginteres> valdur55, TeTeT, valdur55: zsync you say? Where does the Alpha 2 ISO have to be placed if I ran zsync?
[15:10] <valdur55> by default it uses working dir
[15:17] <valdur55> Man zsync: zsync [ -u url ] [ -i inputfile ] [ -o outputfile ]
[15:20] <sahil_> howtomovegrubfrommbrofonehddtombrofanotherhdd/
[15:21] <sahil_> how to move grub from mbr of 1 hdd to mbr of another hdd
[15:26] <iceroot> sahil_: easiest would be reinstall grub on the other hdd
[15:29] <sahil_> iceroot, err how?
[15:30] <sahil_> my other hdd contain no os
[15:35] <iceroot> sahil_: imo "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX"
[15:36] <iceroot> sahil_: while booted into the system
[15:37] <sahil_> one question
[15:37] <sahil_> is thre any serious right click bug recently/
[15:37] <andyvy> sahil_: I can't see menus when right clicking on a lot of stuff.
[15:38] <sahil_> i mean nautilus crashes when i right click on it
[15:38] <sahil_> even desktop folders are not showing...it occuer after i updated yday
[15:39] <sahil_> even marlin used to crash sometimes
[16:22] <sahil_>  is thre any serious right click bug recently/
[16:22] <sahil_> i mean nautilus crashes when i right click on it
[16:22] <sahil_> even desktop folders are not showing...it occuer after i updated yday
[16:23] <sahil_> even marlin used to crash sometimes
[16:25] <vaha> Hello everyone. I am having issues with LSI MegaRAID SAS 9265-8i controller on the Ubuntu 12.04. I know that there is a driver <IP_ADDRESS>-rc1 installed as default on the machine, but when I try to use a tool called MegaCLI it can't see that driver at all. I was wondering if there is a fix available for that. The driver on the website supports it but it's designed for 10.10 ubuntu.
[16:26] <ikonia> vaha: is the module loaded ?
[16:26] <vaha> im not sure
[16:26] <vaha> how do i check on that
[16:27] <vaha> i know that the module name is megaraid_sas
[16:27] <ikonia> lsmod
[16:27] <vaha> so im assuming #lsmod megaraid_sas
[16:28] <sahil_> vaha,pastebin the out ikonia is a good expert
[16:28] <ikonia> vaha: no, just lsmod
[16:28] <ikonia> vaha: then look in the output and see if that modules
[16:28] <sahil_> output*
[16:28] <ikonia> megaraid is an LSI card isn't it ?
[16:29] <vaha> yeah thats correct
[16:29] <vaha> i see the driver
[16:29] <vaha> on the bottom
[16:30] <vaha> it says megaraid_sas than size 83020 and number 2
[16:30] <vaha> followed
[16:30] <vaha> it also loads up other drivers such as e1000e, hid, usbhid
[16:31] <ikonia> vaha: ok, so that looks like the module is loaded
[16:31] <ikonia> vaha: so what happens when you try to use the tool
[16:31] <vaha> so when i try to use megacli
[16:31] <vaha> it says
[16:32] <vaha> Controller Count: 0
[16:32] <vaha> the tool used is MegaCLI the latest version
[16:35] <ikonia> vaha: ok - so that says nothing about the "driver not being loaded"
[16:36] <vaha> well on google
[16:36] <vaha> it says
[16:36] <vaha> when it shows that
[16:36] <vaha> the device is not being recognized
[16:37] <ikonia> vaha: ok - first question, is the device you are using supported by that kernel module ?
[16:37] <vaha> yes
[16:38] <vaha> its supported after 2.6.35 and higher
[16:39] <ikonia> vaha: ok - next question, is the card configured (at a hardware level) as a raid device or a jbod ?
[16:42] <vaha> its configured as a raid device
[16:42] <vaha> no jbod
[16:44] <dupondje> aptitude safe-upgrade always seems to need --full-resolver for updating :s
[16:44] <dupondje> any idea's why ... no conflicts or so
[16:44] <ikonia> vaha: ok - cool, are there any disks assigned ot it currently ?
[16:46] <glosoli> CTRL + ALT + LEFT and etc, now is SHIFT+SUPER... are they idiots. if i hold super for more then sec it brings a lot of stufff..............
[16:47] <vaha> well its setup as RAID 6+ 1 hot spaer
[16:47] <vaha> spare*
[16:50] <ikonia> vaha: ok, so if you do "sudo fdisk -l" do you see the raid controller presenting the disk  ?
[16:51] <vaha> yes
[16:51] <vaha> i see everything
[16:51] <vaha> all 64TB
[16:51] <vaha> of storage
[16:51] <vaha> ubuntu was installed on a 2TB partition
[16:51] <vaha> thats how much it allows
[16:52] <ikonia> vaha: ok, so we know it sees the card correctly as the module is loaded, the card is in raid mode and showing the disk correctly, so we know the functionality is there - I'd suggest that the tool maybe at fault
[16:52] <ikonia> vaha: is the tool known to work with a 3.0 kernel ?
[16:52] <vaha> that i am not sure of
[16:58] <ikonia> vaha: that's worth checking, I've seen some tools fail with 3.0 kernel as they check /proc/old-2.6-location which has moved to /proc/subsection/new-3.0-location
[16:59] <ikonia> vaha: just as an overthe top example
[16:59] <vaha> i see
[16:59] <vaha> well i will contact LSI directly
[16:59] <vaha> and see what they can offer
[16:59] <vaha> i will tell them about that comment
[16:59] <vaha> where it fails to check the kernel
[17:01] <ikonia> thats just an example, let them confim 3.0 support on their own
[17:01] <ikonia> or they can say "that's not how our system works", rather than "yes, it will support a 3.x kernel"
[17:02] <vaha> i know what you mean
[17:03] <vaha> these guys need to get in with the new kernel
[17:03] <vaha> stuff
[17:03] <vaha> they are lagging behind
[17:03] <vaha> and pissing a lot of customers off
[17:05] <ikonia> vaha: not massivly, it's a big deal to keep with this sort of thing, so give them a break
[17:05] <vaha> i know
[17:05] <vaha> i do, but hopefully they have a beta
[17:05] <ikonia> plus give them a chance to fix it, they may not know it's broken (it may not even be broke - it maybe something else)
[17:05] <vaha> version
[17:06] <vaha> if i do get new drivers
[17:06] <vaha> for megaraid_sas
[17:06] <vaha> can i message you again
[17:06] <vaha> and send them to you
[17:06] <vaha> so they can be uploaded
[17:06] <ikonia> ahh I can't upload them
[17:07] <ikonia> vaha: you need to either log a bug to ubuntu and hopefully they will patch the kernel (doubtful)
[17:07] <vaha> i see
[17:07] <ironhalik> glosoli: you can change to super+shift combination back in ccsm -> wall
[17:07] <vaha> thanks for all of your help
[17:07] <ikonia> or you will need to log a kernel bug against the kernel product its self and they can patch it upstream
[17:07] <vaha> much appreciated
[17:07] <ikonia> that will then get filtered down to either the 12.04 backports, or the 12.10 next release.
[17:07] <glosoli> I already did
[17:07] <glosoli> ;D
[17:08] <ironhalik> ;>
[17:38] <Z_God> hey anyone here aware of the multiarch situation?
[17:38] <Z_God> there are still loads of packages where the 32-bit & 64-bit version conflict
[17:41] <ironhalik> good I didnt go with the 64-bit
[17:41] <ironhalik> still got nightmare about the flash support
[17:41]  * DebolazW is still suffering from title bar bugs. :(
[17:42] <DebolazW> Does compiz development in ubuntu have its own channel? (Not counting the unity channel)
[17:44] <scarleo> Is it no longer enough to put an empty script in /etc/pm/power.d/ to disable power saving scripts? tried it with wireless but it seems to have zero effect
[17:44] <scarleo> or more correctly an empty file :)
[17:58] <hakaishi_> Hi, may I ask how to turn off the desktop effects with gnome3? Or how can I set gnome-fallback? Since the login doesn't work for me, I can't choose it there... How else can I set it?
[18:01] <hakaishi_> やれやれ。。。
[18:01] <scarleo> Oh, and by he way, the trouble I had with XBMX and strange colors before turned out to be a mesa 8.0.0RC2 bug, it's fine now
[18:01] <scarleo> XBMC*
[18:01] <LordDeath> I just installed 12.04 on my laptop and I don't have suspend to disk anymore
[18:01] <LordDeath> what can I do?
[18:10] <LordDeath> the missing suspend to disk feature could be related to fglrx
[18:11] <LordDeath> but I need it for a better battery life ^^
[18:23] <dtigue> Hey folks, i'm trying to install precise on my cr48 laptop and it seems to have hung up on the 'Configuring target system...' part of the install....is there any way to get around that or will i have to start a new install
[18:26] <ironhalik> hmm, wheres the config file for networkmanagers VPN connection?
[19:09] <ironhalik> hmm, lots of updates today
[19:25] <ironhalik> anyone here tried 12.04 on some older intel graphics (~intel 945)?
[19:26]  * yofel has a 945GME, but uses kde
[19:26] <ironhalik> hmm, unity5 seems quite a bit snappier
[19:27] <ironhalik> maybe it would do nice on my oldish laptop
[19:27] <ironhalik> and I somehow cant force myself to use unity-2d
[19:29] <soc> hi
[19:29] <soc> i installed the daily 12.04. on a machine with efi on an ssd with gpt
[19:30] <soc> and when starting the machine after installation it can't find anything to boot
[19:30] <soc> ideas?
[19:34] <penguin42> soc: That should work - EFI machines aren't that uncommon these days
[19:35] <soc> yes, ... except it doesn't
[19:35] <soc> is there any additional step i have to do?
[19:36] <penguin42> I don't think there should be; you should file a bug
[19:38] <soc> mhh ok
[19:48] <ironhalik> hmm, there are some strange things happening with my lan connection
[19:50] <ironhalik> after a router reboot, I have connectivity for 30 seconds and then everything times out
[19:50] <ironhalik> on precise, it works on android and arch
[19:50] <penguin42> ironhalik: Does network manager think it's still connected?
[19:51] <ironhalik> maybe it would do nice on my oldish laptopyeah
[19:52] <ironhalik> yeah, it does
[19:52] <ironhalik> but lan works, I can ping my router
[19:52] <ironhalik> its not dns, because I cant ping any ip
[19:53] <penguin42> hmm ok, so then I guess does the routing look right?
[19:56] <ironhalik> hmm, I think so
[19:58] <penguin42> can you ping your router?
[19:58] <ironhalik> yeah
[20:01] <ironhalik> maybe its telling me its time to upgrade to x64 ;>
[20:03] <jo-erlend> Has anyone tried installing with ubiquity lately? I've tried a few times, but I'd crashed every single time, on all computers. Does it support setting up btrfs now?
[20:10] <jbicha> jo-erlend: personally I wouldn't bother with btrfs until at least bug 894456 is fixed
[20:12] <jo-erlend> jbicha, what do I need btrfs tools for?
[20:13] <jbicha> fsck
[20:13]  * DebolazW ponders testing if the bug that prevents Ubuntu from booting from an encrypted btrfs partition is still there.
[20:13] <jo-erlend> if it was a kernel bug, I would worry.
[20:13] <jo-erlend> jbicha, from what I understand, if you need fsck, then you might as well go get your backups.
[20:14] <jbicha> jo-erlend: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/btrfs-tools/filelist
[20:15] <cheako> jo-erlend:I'm not sure about btrfs, but in ext running fsck is good even without errors.  There have been cases where after a hard down that errors are corrected, typically deleted files being freed.
[20:15] <jo-erlend> yes. I haven't had any problems with btrfs-tools on my desktop. I have fairly limited needs. I do need to take snapshots, but I can't find any bugs related to that ?
[20:16] <jo-erlend> cheako, as I understand btrfs, that would result in 30 seconds of lost data at most.
[20:17] <jo-erlend> but in any case, I'm interested in using it on my laptop, on which there is no important data at all. It's primarily a way to get used to how things work and play with it.
[20:26] <zzecool> wow
[20:26] <zzecool> more updates
[20:26] <zzecool> glosoli:  ?
[20:26] <zzecool> any new ?
[20:26] <zzecool> anything exciting ?
[20:27] <glosoli> zzecool: LightDM looks good now
[20:27] <glosoli> even better
[20:27] <zzecool> that was in the afternoons updates
[20:27] <glosoli> Ubuntu One was finnally rewritten in Qt, in favour to make it more native in all OS
[20:27] <zzecool> it owns yeah
[20:27] <ironhalik> they broke my network :)
[20:27] <zzecool> ironhalik: ?
[20:27] <glosoli> zzecool: hmm, dependencies problems with Qt once again ;D
[20:27] <ironhalik> I think so at least - I lost web connectivity
[20:27] <zzecool> yes
[20:27] <zzecool> i have them too
[20:28] <zzecool> Qt looks more minimal
[20:28] <zzecool> i like tha design :D
[20:28] <zzecool> erm
[20:29] <zzecool> how do you speak here tho ?
[20:29] <zzecool> ironhalik: ?
[20:29] <jrgifford> it wants to remove gwibber, should I let it?
[20:29] <zzecool> no
[20:29] <zzecool> jrgifford: only use the update manager
[20:29] <zzecool> and skip any partial update
[20:29] <zzecool> press close to partial update
[20:29] <jrgifford> zzecool, so i should do a upgrade instead of a dist-upgrade then.
[20:30] <zzecool> yes
[20:30] <jrgifford> update manager keeps breaking everything, no matter what I touch. :P
[20:30] <glosoli> jrgifford: you will do dist some time later, when it will not ask to remove anything :)
[20:30] <zzecool> thats right
[20:30] <jrgifford> glosoli, i'll do it in a few hours then. :)
[20:30] <zzecool> you will know when that time will be ( young skywalkah ) lol
[20:31] <zzecool> log out log in brb
[20:31] <glosoli> jrgifford: NEx time when it asks to remove something, ask us, we will helpif you are unsure :)
[20:31] <glosoli> Next time''
[20:35] <zzecool> glosoli: di you read about Tribler ?
[20:35] <zzecool> did
[20:35] <glosoli> zzecool: Yeah, did you tested it ?
[20:35] <zzecool> yeap
[20:35] <zzecool> cool interface nice idea
[20:35] <zzecool> but i feel unsecure
[20:35] <zzecool> somehow
[20:36] <zzecool> i dont know
[20:36] <glosoli> zzecool: Me too, because I have no idea from where I download, who can track me or can't
[20:36] <glosoli> I am some type of paranoid guy
[20:36] <zzecool> basicly
[20:36] <zzecool> it use public trackers to find torrents names
[20:37] <glosoli> as ACTA trying to kick its' balls into Europian Union, it drives me crazy to trust anything in net, unless i know it for years
[20:37] <zzecool> and then searching for tribler users
[20:37] <glosoli> European''
[20:37] <zzecool> glosoli: true
[20:37] <zzecool> im not afraid
[20:37] <zzecool> ppl have their way
[20:37] <zzecool> to secure + hide
[20:37] <glosoli> I ain't too :) I can watch movies online, and listen music on my favorite radio - using OSS already :D
[20:38] <zzecool> more searches landed on the video lense
[20:38] <zzecool> dailymotion etc
[20:38] <zzecool> :F
[20:38] <zzecool> :D
[20:39] <glosoli> zzecool: I love ubuntu ;D
[20:39] <zzecool> i like it too
[20:39] <zzecool> do you know what ubuntu needs?
[20:39] <zzecool> to rule em all
[20:39] <glosoli> zzecool: sure it do
[20:39] <glosoli> sure i do;;
[20:39] <zzecool> Games  + Adobe Suite
[20:39] <glosoli> not much games
[20:39] <zzecool> and its done
[20:40] <glosoli> but Adobe Suite + MS Office, and that's all
[20:40] <zzecool> true
[20:40] <glosoli> games will come automatically then
[20:40] <zzecool> no they will not
[20:40] <zzecool> they didnt on OSx
[20:40] <glosoli> zzecool: Do you know how Mac OS X found its' way to market :) ?
[20:40] <zzecool> ;p
[20:40] <zzecool> how ?
[20:40] <Oer> when somebody ports the UT3 engine to linux, gaming will be more fun.
[20:41] <zzecool> Gaming studios builds their engine form scratch
[20:41] <glosoli> zzecool: Steve Jobs asked Bill Gates itself for making Office for Mac OS in that time, it was an offer by MS they will do the job if Steve will put Internet Explorer as default browser, steve even asked Adobe and some other companies, at that time only MS accepted, that kicked Mac OS X to the market. Otherwise, biography of steve and his comments says there wouldn't be any opportunity
[20:41] <zzecool> so we dont want any port
[20:41] <zzecool> we need to gming studio to work on linux form scratch :D
[20:42] <glosoli> zzecool: I am thinking if Canonical even tryed to ask MS
[20:42] <zzecool> they will not
[20:42] <zzecool> ms will refuse
[20:42] <zzecool> they can see in the future
[20:43] <zzecool> ohh the unity guy with the problematic net ;p
[20:43] <zzecool> om26er: ? ;p
[20:43] <zzecool> Still straggling with your net ?
[20:44] <glosoli> zzecool: At least Canonical could try for Adobe. :)
[20:44] <om26er> haha no i am restarting nm-applet causing me reconnects :p
[20:44] <zzecool> :D
[20:45] <zzecool> glosoli: adobe abandoned    Flash for linux   and Adobe air for linux allrdy
[20:45] <glosoli> zzecool: As for LibreOffice, tryed to do some presentations, if was even harder than programming for me, felt so restricted as I used PowerPoint for my whole life :)
[20:45] <zzecool> thank god i have tha latest adobe air i need it for tweetdeck
[20:45] <glosoli> zzecool: No they didin't :)
[20:45] <glosoli> Adobe Air yes
[20:46] <Oer> flash for firefox, yes.
[20:46] <zzecool> Libreoffice is nowhere near MS office
[20:46] <glosoli> But Adobe Air didin't make a lot of difference, it wasn't so much needed for everyone, it came with sound, and becamse silent quick :)
[20:46] <glosoli> In fact, adobe is working with google for PIPPER engine or whatsever its called
[20:46] <glosoli> PEPPER''
[20:46] <zzecool> yes i saw
[20:47] <glosoli> And I think that's good decission
[20:47] <glosoli> :)
[20:47] <zzecool> we both readin  omgubuntu  + webupd8  lol
[20:47] <glosoli> zzecool: yes ;DD
[20:47] <zzecool> those 2 blogs ROXOR
[20:47] <zzecool> :P
[20:47] <glosoli> zzecool: sure they do ;D
[20:48] <zzecool> Its not so techy  its more eye candy and bling bling and i love them
[20:48] <Oer> do you guys read FullCircle too ?
[20:48] <zzecool> + i love the trolling on omgubuntu
[20:48] <zzecool> Oer: i dont
[20:49] <glosoli> zzecool: I am not apple fanboy or something, but reading Steve's biography made me realise how important is design for everday user, or even myself. :)
[20:49] <glosoli> It can drive me nuts, if wallpaper in my Ubuntu, will not look good with panel and unity dock
[20:49] <zzecool> Design is Marketing  and Marketing is Victory
[20:50] <zzecool> glosoli: same here
[20:50] <zzecool> Design around you have a great impact on your feelings
[20:51] <zzecool> Asians knew about this
[20:51] <zzecool> feng shui
[20:51] <zzecool> ;p
[20:51] <glosoli> zzecool: And on your work using computers. It in the same level as light in the room, darkness could drive you nuts and your eyes feel hurt ;D
[20:52] <zzecool> yeap
[20:52] <zzecool> i knew that ubuntu will realy kick ass
[20:52] <glosoli> zzecool: but Ubuntu need some better icon set
[20:52] <zzecool> when i saw 3 years ago the total redesign of they logo  - website
[20:53] <zzecool>  by the time the hire a design team
[20:53] <zzecool> and when i saw the ubuntu font ..... i said they gonna kick
[20:54] <zzecool> Linux is extremely powerfull   wrap it around with something beautiful  and you have a Winner
[20:56] <crizzy> winner for what, exactly?
[20:57] <zzecool> for mainstream
[20:57] <crizzy> and as a sidenote and as 3D programmer, X11 is a pile of turd
[20:57] <glosoli> There is some kind of alternative coming to X11
[20:57] <glosoli> aint it ?
[20:58] <crizzy> we'll see. in 5 years (maybe)
[20:58] <Volkodav> crizzy: what do you know about x11 kid?
[20:58] <glosoli> crizzy: mainstream doesn't mean gaming
[20:58] <glosoli> :)(
[20:58] <zzecool> we need gaming too tho
[20:58] <crizzy> Volkodav: likely a lot more tha nyou
[20:58] <crizzy> (kid)
[20:59] <Volkodav> I doubt that based on what you say about it
[20:59] <crizzy> doubt what you will
[20:59] <glosoli> Volkodav: I think he talks from the point of gaming/games developing
[20:59] <glosoli> correct me if i'm wrong
[21:00] <crizzy> correct
[21:00] <Volkodav> gaming/games developing goes to M$ straight out
[21:00] <crizzy> performance is abysmal compared to windows
[21:00] <glosoli> Volkodav: I say that too :)
[21:00] <crizzy> architecture is just pure crap
[21:00] <crizzy> you just can't get around that by going gnussolini defense mode
[21:00] <glosoli> If I would want games, I would have never even tryed Ubuntu :)
[21:00] <LordDeath> in 12.04 deja dup has unreadable fonts
[21:00] <glosoli> LordDeath: Yes, Same here
[21:00] <LordDeath> white font and light grey background
[21:00] <crizzy> glosoli: that's not an excuse for incredibly braindead software architecture..
[21:00] <glosoli> LordDeath: it's a bug
[21:00] <crizzy> gaming or not
[21:01] <glosoli> crizzy: Ubuntu is not aimed to gamers, don't you think so ?
[21:01] <ironhalik> in my HUMBLE opionion - main problem with desktop linux distros is QA
[21:01] <glosoli> ironhalik: QA ?
[21:01] <crizzy> glosoli: ubuntu blahblah, talking about X11 in general
[21:01] <zzecool> LordDeath: start you softwarecenter if you have the same problem change your GTK theme
[21:01] <ironhalik> quality assurance - theres a lot of tiny annoying bugs
[21:01] <crizzy> glosoli: X11 is not aimed at ubuntu, lets put it this way
[21:02] <Volkodav> crizzy: for you and your gamers friends there is an M$S dude who will will love you to fillin with virii and what not - you do not belong here you troll
[21:02] <zzecool> Volkodav: lol linux need games too
[21:02] <glosoli> zzecool: there is a bug for deja dup :)
[21:02] <crizzy> Volkodav: i don't play games, i develop them
[21:02] <crizzy> and for linux too
[21:02] <zzecool> glosoli: i can read the fonts perfectly
[21:02] <crizzy> i think i have a little more experience about that than you
[21:02] <Volkodav> go develop fot M$ or shut up
[21:02] <crizzy> sigh
[21:02] <glosoli> zzecool: how can you ?
[21:02] <crizzy> gnussolinis
[21:03] <ironhalik> ;D
[21:03] <ironhalik> I love this term
[21:03] <glosoli> Why nobody blames Mac OS X for not supporting games enough, but it's good for mainstream imho
[21:04] <ironhalik> imho, QA :P
[21:04] <crizzy> OS X is way worse opengl-wise than linux
[21:04] <Volkodav> MAC OSX is no different from M$ just being developed on unix that's all
[21:04] <crizzy> i'm gonna drop OS X support altogether in next version of the game i develop :/
[21:04] <crizzy> too crappy performance and drivers
[21:04] <crizzy> and apple won't fix them when i give them fully accurate bug reports with test cases
[21:05] <glosoli> crizzy: why would they ? they are not aimed to be yet another gaming OS
[21:05] <crizzy> OS X gfx drivers are somewhat equal to windows drivers from 2006
[21:05] <zzecool> glosoli: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/deja.png
[21:05] <Volkodav> crizzy name any of the the games you "develop" ?
[21:05] <crizzy> glosoli: again, incredibly shitty excuse for producing bad software and drivers
[21:05] <crizzy> Volkodav: http://www.warsow.net/
[21:05] <crizzy> Volkodav: commercial projects i don't have permission to mention. but you can hire me :-)
[21:05] <glosoli> crizzy: It's good for Adobe Phtoshop, Pixelmator, and other big software used by professional designers or movie editors :)
[21:06] <glosoli> Why would they aim for stupid games
[21:06] <glosoli> MS does that
[21:06] <crizzy> glosoli: windows is better for photoshop tbh
[21:06] <glosoli> zzecool: try to backup :)
[21:06] <zzecool> glosoli: becasue games is the trick
[21:06] <Volkodav> never heard of oi as most of people in this channel
[21:06] <glosoli> Volkodav: You are probably like me, not gamer type person :)
[21:07] <crizzy> i have never heard of you either mr. NET ?
[21:10] <glosoli> zzecool: are you using xchat ?
[21:10] <Volkodav> I would kick as hard as I can being an op you troll
[21:10] <zzecool> glosoli: yes
[21:10] <glosoli> zzecool: hmm last time a tryed it didin't showed up in unity dock ;D
[21:10] <zzecool> its ok for me
[21:10] <ironhalik> Volkodav: anyone considers bash a programming language? :>
[21:11] <crizzy> i bet there is a reason why you are not an op
[21:11] <glosoli> zzecool: yeah, my friend reported that it was fixed :) for me too
[21:11] <Volkodav> crizzy you dumped
[21:11] <zzecool> ironhalik: i am  my knowledge stops there :D:D:D:D:D:D
[21:11] <ironhalik> ironhalik: :P
[21:11] <ironhalik> tfu
[21:11] <ironhalik> zzecool: :P
[21:11] <zzecool> ironhalik: haxor versioning
[21:11] <glosoli> zzecool: where I can find your wallpaper ?
[21:12] <cheako> ironhalik: I do there is a programming language where bash is a reference interpreter.
[21:12] <zzecool> glosoli: where di you saw my wallapaper?
[21:12] <glosoli> zzecool: I saw a pieces of it in the screenshoot :D
[21:12] <zzecool> ;p
[21:12] <crizzy> Volkodav: i already did link you a project i'm developing so why you keep asking
[21:13] <ironhalik> Hmm, I jumped the gun and installed x64 - so far so good, and flash is working ;>
[21:13] <crizzy> Volkodav: feel free to download the SDK for source code
[21:13] <glosoli> zzecool: so can i ?
[21:14] <crizzy> Volkodav: and *gasp*, it is mostly C, not bash
[21:14] <zzecool> glosoli:  here my desk http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/mydesktop.png
[21:14] <glosoli> zzecool: I need wallpaper :D
[21:14] <zzecool> hehe
[21:14] <zzecool> envy ?   ;p
[21:14] <cheako> ironhalik: Was was talking about that recently.  For 32bit games on x86_64 there is a huge penalty as well as generally most every thing else is a tad slower.
[21:14] <zzecool> let me find it
[21:14] <glosoli> zzecool: I would find it :D
[21:15] <cheako> I was talking.
[21:15] <zzecool> its called clssic wood i think
[21:15] <glosoli> zzecool: http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/455033
[21:15] <glosoli> ?
[21:15] <zzecool> http://nardoxic.deviantart.com/art/Classic-Wood-132248439
[21:15] <ironhalik> cheako: Only game I play is OpenTTD and CnC via wine, and everything else seems about the same :>
[21:15] <cheako> ironhalik: Though there is no clear winner to this debate.
[21:16] <crizzy> cheako: there's actually *very* little, if any, penalty for running 32bit binary under x64..
[21:16] <crizzy> i'd say none, nothing you can demonstrate without hardcore benchmark, at least
[21:16] <zzecool> glosoli: im the man and you know that ;p
[21:16] <ironhalik> cheako: phoronix claims theres a small performance gain with x64, either way, its the future ;>
[21:17] <glosoli> zzecool: I used to work as woodcutter for few summers ;D
[21:17] <cheako> crizzy: Actually the overhead for just making an opengl call is already vary expensive adding a 32 to 64 convert kills the frame rate by about 30%.
[21:17] <crizzy> cheako: that is bullcrap :)
[21:17] <zzecool> glosoli: o rly? :)
[21:17] <cheako> crizzy:  So I'm told.
[21:17] <zzecool> where are you form ?
[21:17] <zzecool> from*
[21:17] <glosoli> zzecool: Lithuania ;D
[21:17] <zzecool> :)
[21:17] <crizzy> cheako: you've told some phoronix(moronix) bullcrap without any truth
[21:18] <glosoli> zzecool: dont think you know this country, or do you ? ;D
[21:18] <cheako> crizzy: This was from #kernel.
[21:18] <cheako> err ##kernel
[21:18] <zzecool> glosoli: sry i was searchin on google earth :)
[21:18] <crizzy> still bullcrap
[21:18] <zzecool> glosoli: didnt want to insult you :)
[21:18] <crizzy> cheako: this is something you can test easily yourself too
[21:18] <glosoli> zzecool: haha, no probs, my country is too small for everyone to know :D
[21:19] <zzecool> mine its too
[21:19] <glosoli> zzecool: name it ;D
[21:19] <zzecool> bad we have quite good bad reputation those days
[21:19] <zzecool> Greece  :O
[21:19] <crizzy> cheako: actually i still get better performance with warsow by running 32bit binary simply because ati's 64bit linux drivers suck ;(
[21:19] <glosoli> zzecool: haha, know this one, but never seen it ;D
[21:19] <zzecool> Google Earth is your friend
[21:19] <zzecool> :D
[21:19] <crizzy> windows.. np, +100-200fps
[21:21] <cheako> crizzy: I wander if cards use 32bit floats/integers mostly so 64bit code is way bloated working with a grfx card.
[21:21] <zzecool> crizzy: Im playing Arma 2 on Windows maybe the best FPS ever actually it is a military Simulator  =)
[21:21] <zzecool> a modified version use by Army :)
[21:21] <zzecool> used*
[21:22] <zzecool> glosoli: your towns name ?
[21:22] <glosoli> zzecool: living at the capital now, Vilnius :)
[21:22] <zzecool> :O
[21:23] <glosoli> what's for the wonder ? ;D
[21:24] <zzecool> glosoli: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24436243/lith.png
[21:24] <zzecool> :D
[21:24] <zzecool> just to show off my lense ;p
[21:24] <glosoli> hmm
[21:24] <glosoli> how the lense is named ? ;D
[21:24] <zzecool> :D
[21:25] <zzecool> Do you have the scopes ppa ?
[21:25] <glosoli> nah
[21:25] <zzecool> https://launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/ppa
[21:25] <zzecool> add it
[21:26] <glosoli> zzecool: ah, and  in btw, do you get any TeamViewer corruptions for menu ?
[21:26] <zzecool> unity-lense-utilities will add "cities" + "calculator"
[21:26] <zzecool> Yeah
[21:26] <zzecool> there is a problem with a wine lib
[21:27] <zzecool> i will waiti for a fix
[21:27] <zzecool> im not gona try my own
[21:28] <glosoli> zzecool: ah, ok
[21:28] <zzecool> Teamviewer was every IT's dream
[21:28] <glosoli> zzecool: I don't need that lense, just was interested how you did that, in btw, there is more warmer in your country for sure ;D
[21:28] <zzecool> i was jumping on my head when i found it
[21:28] <crizzy> do lithuanian and latvian languages differ much?
[21:28] <glosoli> they do
[21:28] <glosoli> ;D
[21:29] <zzecool> glosoli: do you have your own language ?
[21:29] <crizzy> kinda black hole of europe in my knowledge.. that area..
[21:29] <glosoli> zzecool: Lithuanian ;DD
[21:29] <crizzy> even i live pretty close :P
[21:29] <glosoli> crizzy: Russia ?
[21:31] <glosoli> crizzy: same here, do you use only latin letter or like us ? ąčęėįšųū and etc
[21:31] <glosoli> ;D ?
[21:32] <ironhalik> hmm, where can I make a suggestion for compiz plugin?
[21:32] <glosoli> in our language a lot of things belong on accentuation
[21:32] <zzecool> ironhalik: launchpad
[21:33] <DebolazW> Is there a mailing list I should write to to call attention to a compiz bug?
[21:33] <glosoli> zzecool: long long time ago we used to look like this: http://goo.gl/3IhPj
[21:34] <zzecool> crizzy: i knew a very cool song    i think it was Scandinavic
[21:34] <zzecool> let me search
[21:34] <glosoli> zzecool: 13th century about :DDD
[21:34] <zzecool> :o
[21:35]  * zzecool searchin for the song
[21:37] <glosoli> crizzy: Have you ever dreamed to live in more warmer country ? ;D
[21:37] <crizzy> every morning when i scratch ice off my car windows..
[21:38] <glosoli> crizzy: Australia, here we come :DDD
[21:38] <crizzy> the again in australia.. get bitten by some nasty spider and die :p
[21:38] <glosoli> haha ;D life is game :D
[21:39] <glosoli> that's why I don't need to play any :DDD
[21:39] <crizzy> ok, here the polar bears the problem! *pun*
[21:39] <crizzy> and those damned penguins..
[21:39] <glosoli> crizzy: here we ain't having any wolfs, bears, penguins and so on ;DD
[21:40] <crizzy> you can get rid of polar bears by feeding a penguin to them
[21:40] <crizzy> np
[21:40] <glosoli> ;DD  I don't need to get rid of anything :D
[21:40] <crizzy> just kidding ... polar bears and penguins live at different poles ;
[21:40] <crizzy> ;)
[21:41] <glosoli> crizzy: ah, I didin't know that ;D
[21:41] <crizzy> this old joke.. why polar bears don't eat penguins.. har har
[21:42] <crizzy> we don't have that special climate anyway ;)
[21:42] <crizzy> same as swe/Rus
[21:43] <glosoli> crizzy: neither we :)
[21:43] <crizzy> +30 at summer ;(
[21:43] <crizzy> then everyone whines how ot it is.. -20 at winter, same crap boohoo its so cold :P
[21:43] <crizzy> *how hot
[21:44] <glosoli> crizzy: hmm same here :DDD
[21:44] <glosoli> we were having a month ago about -30 here ;D
[21:44] <glosoli> at the summer it will be +30
[21:44] <crizzy> we had -27C only
[21:44] <crizzy> at least worst i saw
[21:45] <crizzy> i think record is -39C at northern fi tho
[21:45] <glosoli> crizzy: record here is near 50
[21:45] <crizzy> we have gulf stream to warm things up :>>
[21:45] <glosoli> we have vodka to warm things :DD
[21:45] <crizzy> anything below +20 is too cold anyway
[21:46] <zzecool> I FOUND ITTTTTTTTTTTTT
[21:46] <glosoli> :DDDD
[21:46] <zzecool> i dont know what language is this
[21:46] <glosoli> Hard Rock, allelujah :D
[21:46] <zzecool> crizzy:  you will know
[21:46] <zzecool> no no
[21:47] <zzecool> crizzy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkdZezbakeQ&feature=player_embedded
[21:47] <glosoli> it's not finland
[21:47] <glosoli> it's norvegian language'
[21:47] <zzecool> i cant undertand a thing but i love it
[21:47] <zzecool> :)
[21:47] <crizzy> norwegian :x
[21:47] <crizzy> like swedish but more twisted
[21:47] <zzecool> :O
[21:48] <crizzy> swedish ppl understand norwegian and other way around
[21:48] <glosoli> zzecool: if you are interested to hear how lithuania singers sounds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoUpW3eZC0Y
[21:48] <crizzy> small differences though but very similiar
[21:48] <crizzy> like spanish and portugalese
[21:48] <zzecool> ohhhh somethime i feel that the world is so beautiful =)
[21:49] <zzecool> all this language and different cultures
[21:49]  * zzecool listening lithuania
[21:49] <glosoli> the world it self is beautiful, there are people who make world to look ugly
[21:49] <glosoli> :)
[21:49] <crizzy> here's what happens when finnish ppl try to speak swedish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWR6Cz4pR0M
[21:49] <zzecool> true
[21:49] <crizzy> :D
[21:50] <glosoli> crizzy: I can't get the point because I don't know any of these languages :D
[21:50] <zzecool> crizzy: what was that lol
[21:50] <zzecool> me too
[21:50] <zzecool> :D
[21:50] <crizzy> glosoli: basically it was just nonsense..
[21:50] <zzecool> i believe he wasnt able to say a shit
[21:50] <zzecool> ahoaohahoa
[21:50] <crizzy> glosoli: and the interviewer was like "wtf"
[21:51] <crizzy> glosoli: only real word at the end "jag är bög", i am gay
[21:51] <crizzy> :D
[21:51] <crizzy> and that got to tv
[21:51] <zzecool> hahaahahahaha
[21:51] <crizzy> lesson: never interview finnish ppl
[21:51] <zzecool> lol
[21:51] <crizzy> swedish is official language here
[21:51] <crizzy> but only 5% actually speak it
[21:52] <zzecool> ohh rly ?
[21:52] <zzecool> didnt know
[21:52] <glosoli> crizzy: so why not doing referendum ?
[21:52] <crizzy> we have areas here where only swedish is spoken
[21:52] <zzecool> I know 2 great things about finnland
[21:52] <zzecool> 1st The best sniper of the history
[21:52] <zzecool> 2nd Great racing drivers :F
[21:52] <zzecool> :)
[21:52] <crizzy> what about..
[21:52] <crizzy> linux?
[21:52] <zzecool> :o
[21:53] <glosoli> Linus Torvalds
[21:53] <zzecool> huhu
[21:53] <zzecool> true
[21:53] <crizzy> i'd say nokia but then i'd go ;(
[21:53] <zzecool> ohh yes and the "stupid" gothic death  black hell whatever metal groups
[21:53] <zzecool> lol
[21:54] <glosoli> Lithuanians most of the time leave country and make them known as people of other countries :)
[21:54] <crizzy> linus is one of these fin ppl who are fluent in swedish too
[21:54] <glosoli> for example a photo editing app: Pixelmator, in App Store made  1 million in a year :)
[21:55] <soc> mhhh
[21:55] <glosoli> crizzy: I have never read anything more except that he is kernel dev, does he work for any other company ?
[21:55] <crizzy> glosoli: he is *the* creator of linux
[21:55] <glosoli> crizzy: that I know
[21:55] <crizzy> glosoli: and git (version control system)
[21:55] <soc> do i need to install grub-efi-amd64 to be able to boot from uefi systems?
[21:55] <glosoli> crizzy: but does he do other things ? ;D
[21:55] <zzecool> actually he is making an assload of money because of linux :)
[21:55] <crizzy> glosoli: apart form that he worked at microcode for transmeta cpu's
[21:55] <crizzy> glosoli: no
[21:56] <crizzy> glosoli: just linux
[21:56] <crizzy> i think linus is atm employed by linux foundation
[21:56] <zzecool> i think its enough
[21:56] <glosoli> Wish someday I will have an opportunity to for in some big company :) but first a lot of languages to learn
[21:57] <glosoli> to work in some''
[21:57] <crizzy> i was asked to go work at nyc and london ;(
[21:57] <crizzy> on game development..
[21:57] <glosoli> NYC +1, london -1 ;D
[21:57] <crizzy> my wife wasn't interested to move though
[21:57] <zzecool> glosoli: nie language
[21:57] <crizzy> so.. that's it :P
[21:57] <zzecool> i thought it gonna sound like russians
[21:57] <glosoli> zzecool: nothing similar ;D
[21:58] <crizzy> estonian sounds like finnish :/
[21:58] <zzecool> crizzy: what languages are you using in game development
[21:58] <crizzy> i can like almost understand it.. dialect is the same but.. wtf.. WTF!
[21:58] <glosoli> zzecool: "Lithuanian language is believed to be the most conservative living Indo-European language, retaining many features of Proto Indo-European now lost in other Indo-European languages"
[21:58] <glosoli> ;D
[21:58] <zzecool> is it  any different other framwaorks etc?
[21:58] <crizzy> c/c++/angelscript(c++ syntaxed scripting to c api)
[21:59] <zzecool> i c
[21:59] <glosoli> crizzy: You mean my language ? ;D
[21:59] <zzecool> is there programs in linux that can make your life easier for programming ?
[21:59] <crizzy> glosoli: you're estonian?
[22:00] <glosoli> crizzy: Lithuanian ;D
[22:00] <crizzy> ah
[22:00] <glosoli> zzecool: What you mean by making life easier ? ;D
[22:00] <crizzy> more southern you go, more bizarre the languages get ;)
[22:00] <zzecool> like a Visual Studio in windows
[22:00] <glosoli> zzecool: Eclipse if you use Java
[22:01] <crizzy> codeblocks
[22:01] <glosoli> or NetBeans
[22:01] <crizzy> for c/c++
[22:01] <crizzy> however.. i rather just use gedit/makefiles tbh :P
[22:01] <glosoli> zzecool: You mean like building gui in graphics designer yes ?
[22:01] <crizzy> debugging and profiling is pain in the ass compared to visual studio though
[22:01] <zzecool> something like that
[22:01] <zzecool> my friend is a programmer
[22:02] <zzecool> and he always saying that there is nothing like visual studio
[22:02] <glosoli> zzecool: Eclipse or NetBeans - is kickass for Java. But as I changed my way to Python, i use Qt Designer  + Eclipse :)
[22:02] <zzecool> so good
[22:02] <crizzy> http://www.codeblocks.org/
[22:02] <glosoli> zzecool: Well, there isn't :)
[22:02] <glosoli> zzecool: But as I like Python, there is nothing good in Visual Studio for me
[22:02] <zzecool> one more thing i cant understand about programmers is
[22:03] <zzecool> do you have to know every language
[22:03] <glosoli> no
[22:03] <zzecool> where to start and where to end
[22:03] <zzecool> it feels like a pain
[22:03] <glosoli> where is no end
[22:03] <crizzy> you have to understand programming
[22:03] <glosoli> there is no end''
[22:03] <glosoli> there will never be
[22:03] <crizzy> languages are just syntaxes
[22:03] <glosoli> for programmers
[22:03] <zzecool> crizzy: i see
[22:03] <glosoli> programming languages are evolving, and more you know of them, more catch up to do you need
[22:03] <glosoli> :)
[22:04] <crizzy> not really
[22:04] <crizzy> just understand programming
[22:04] <zzecool> crizzy: something like do the same thing with different commands calls  - syntax
[22:04] <crizzy> and more importantly the area where you are specializing in
[22:04] <crizzy> language itself is pretty irrelevant
[22:04] <glosoli> crizzy: well technologies used in language are relevant
[22:04] <glosoli> :)
[22:05] <crizzy> tihs goes to category of understanding the area where you specialize
[22:05] <crizzy> *this
[22:05] <zzecool> i got a unity  and compiz update before and they didnt fix the Super + W scale problem
[22:06] <zzecool> i hate this
[22:06] <glosoli> crizzy: well yes, but I was talking like: if you know more languages, and some of them you don't use every day, you will need a lot of catch up to do for them, if you want to know then properly
[22:06] <crizzy> 00:06.. enough chitchat, goodnight ubuntu :P
[22:06] <zzecool> crizzy: check and confirm this please
[22:06] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/933776
[22:06] <zzecool> :)
[22:07] <glosoli> crizzy: good night, I am going too :)
[22:07] <zzecool> crizzy: gn
[22:07] <glosoli> need to read a book, and then sleep ;D
[22:07] <crizzy> zzecool: i stay away from ccsm :P
[22:07] <zzecool> lol
[22:07] <crizzy> only thing to do there.. disable panel hiding.. uninstall that crap ;D
[22:08] <zzecool> panel hiding?
[22:08] <glosoli> crizzy: ubuntu tweak can do that
[22:08] <crizzy> unity panel
[22:08] <crizzy> that idiotic dodge whatever
[22:08] <zzecool> the launcher?
[22:08] <crizzy> hiding when fullscreen
[22:08] <crizzy> ye
[22:08] <glosoli> crizzy: or even appearences setting in system settings
[22:08] <zzecool> haha
[22:08] <crizzy> ye, i know it's in 12.04
[22:09] <glosoli> ok see you guys :) good night
[22:09] <crizzy> still stuck with stable on this laptop..
[22:09] <zzecool> gn
[22:09] <crizzy> nn too >>
[22:09] <zzecool> crizzy: im on precise :D
[22:09] <zzecool> since alpha 1
[22:09] <zzecool> pretty good
[22:09] <zzecool> n
[22:09] <zzecool> gn
[22:20] <cheako> we failed but the fail whale is dead.
[22:20] <cheako> I can just see the crowed getting covered in whale meat.
[22:26] <cheako> Would it be possible to use gpg in the initrd for unlocking dm-crypt/luks?
[22:28] <ironhalik> anyone encountered eclipse crashing?
[22:37] <ironhalik> hmm, Java pretty much doesnt work for me
[22:37] <ironhalik> at all
[22:38] <cheako> ironhalik: You said it.
[23:08] <soc> can someone help me to install ubuntu on an efi system
[23:08] <soc> it installs successfully, but doesn't boot from it
[23:35] <dupondje> Any idea what I can do with a stall cifs (samba) mount?
[23:35] <dupondje> network was down for some minutes, and now hte mount is locked
[23:51] <cheako> dupondje: I have no idea.  Switch to NFS or HA-NFS?  Did you reboot the server?
[23:51] <dupondje> nfs on winblows
[23:52] <dupondje> guess not :D
[23:52] <cheako> dupondje: Rhere is a tool that does it :)
[23:53] <dupondje> Just waited long enough, and it went alive again :(
[23:53] <dupondje> timeout before it retries needs to be lower
[23:53] <dupondje> will check the man :)
[23:55] <cheako> I've had great success with Segates Black Armor NAS.  The /GB price is vary much like the drives them self.  However I highly recommend a NetApp.
[23:56] <cheako> Yeah, the solution is to stop building your own servers for doing NAS.
[23:56] <tomodachi> cheako: netapp is far from cheap though
[23:57] <cheako> tomodachi: i'
[23:57] <tomodachi> but sexy as h*ll :)
[23:57] <tomodachi> we switched from netapp to some dellbox
[23:57] <cheako> tomodachi: i'll agree, however I'll also add that with netapp at least you do get what you pay for.
[23:57] <tomodachi> yup
[23:57] <tomodachi> i agree, much crappier, but mostly "good enough"
[23:58] <cheako> tomodachi: Depends if it's data you care about then I wouldn't say that it qualifies as "good enough"


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <Rhonda> *sigh*
[07:26] <Rhonda> Why does the software center have to be so strange … and has *no* icon now for wesnoth in oneiric?!
[07:27] <Rhonda> Who can I bark at for getting that fixed, and potentially not run into the same issue for the wesnoth 1.10 release that might hit precise?
[07:28] <Rhonda> I seem to remember that we had the same issue when we switched from 1.6 to 1.8 in the first place, but that puzzles me now. :/
[07:28] <Rhonda> That it seems to got disfunctional again, in between.
[07:30] <geser> Rhonda: try talking to mvo
[07:40] <Rhonda> geser: thanks
[12:10] <udienz> hi, when mass-sync from debian started?
[12:10] <udienz> many 'new' packages from debian not sync in precise
[12:12] <Rhonda> udienz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule does say it's not defined yet.
[12:14] <cjwatson> udienz: I started it on Monday
[12:15] <cjwatson> udienz: I've been processing new packages, but haven't worked my way through all of them yet
[12:15] <cjwatson> udienz: If there are specific ones you care about, tell me
[12:15] <cjwatson> (it's awkward to automate because we have to be careful about ones that were previously removed from Ubuntu for some reason)
[12:17] <cjwatson> I've been getting through, er, rough estimate maybe 50 a day
[12:19]  * udienz chose to wating 'till monday
[12:19] <cjwatson> udienz: huh?
[12:19] <cjwatson> udienz: I started it Monday as in three days ago
[12:19] <cjwatson> udienz: if there are specific new packages you care about, tell me
[12:22] <udienz> cjwatson, owh i think nexy monday
[12:22] <udienz> i;ll looking my packages first
[12:30] <udienz> cjwatson, bug 878809 glfw package
[12:35] <cjwatson> udienz: you can just tell me the package names, I don't need bugs
[12:35] <cjwatson> er, actually, maybe that's a bad precedent.  but I do not want to be told about the same thing by a bug *and* on IRC, in any case
[12:35] <cjwatson> udienz: also, that isn't a new package!
[12:36] <cjwatson> udienz: that's a new version of an existing package.  perhaps you're unaware that we're syncing from testing by default this cycle, unless explicitly requested otherwise
[12:37] <cjwatson> udienz: once that bug has been acked by a sponsor, it will appear on the list of manual syncs we need to do
[12:37] <cjwatson> which is a "run a tool once a day or so" kind of thing
[16:33] <tumbleweed> grr, this bug bot is a pain
[17:12] <c_korn> is there a "yes" option for mk-build-deps so it does not ask whether I really want to install the dependencies
[17:14] <cjwatson> c_korn: untested, but I think -t 'apt-get -y'
[17:15] <c_korn> ok, I test it ;)
[17:15] <cjwatson> or   MKBUILDDEPS_TOOL='apt-get -y'   in ~/.devscripts.conf
[17:15] <cjwatson> sorry, ~/.devscripts
[17:16] <c_korn> I try the command line option first. I have mk-build-deps in a alias anyway
[19:34] <c_korn> hum, a pkgconfig file in an arch-indep library -dev package contains this line "Cflags: -I${includedir}/c++-gtk-utils-2-2.0 -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include  " does this mean it has to be arch dependent now?
[21:19] <Laney> good evening
[21:43] <bkerensa> anyone wanna help me sort out the fact that boinc-client is broken?
[21:43] <bkerensa> :D
[21:51] <yofel> bug 878571 for those that don't follow #ubuntu-bugs
[21:52] <bkerensa> yofel: thanks :)
[22:01] <james_w> what was the name of that script that could tell you what ubuntu releases there were, which was the development release etc?
[22:03] <broder> distro-info
[22:07] <james_w> thanks
[22:36] <Kiall> anyone familiar with git-buildpackage? I'm having an issue where the orig.tar.gz is not being extracted from the git repo .. resulting in a "failed .. no orig.tar file found"
[22:44] <arand> Kiall: is it finding the upstream branch ok?
[22:44] <Kiall> it seems to...
[22:45] <Kiall> when i `rm debian/source/format` (native package) it works ..
[22:45] <Kiall> but with a 3.0 (quilt) package, it fails
[22:46] <Kiall> arand: I end up with this error: http://pastie.org/2732409
[22:47] <Kiall> It doesnt seem to even try and extract the tar..
[22:48] <Kiall> any ideas what might be causing it? :)
[22:50] <RAOF> Kiall: Do you have a pristine-tar branch?  Is the gbp.conf set up right to build from pristine-tar?
[22:51] <Kiall> RAOF: yea branch is there .. and I think I have it setup right: http://pastie.org/2732432
[22:52] <RAOF> Kiall: Yeah, that looks right.  What's the full output of git-buildpackage?
[22:52] <Kiall> Full output is here: http://pastie.org/2732409
[22:52] <Kiall> no mention of pristine-tar in it though
[22:56] <arand> Hmm, what happens if you omit the export dir?
[22:56] <Kiall> the ../build-area option?
[22:56] <arand> Yeah..
[22:57] <Kiall> same thing, no mention of pristine-tar
[22:58] <arand> If you just run it with --pristine-tar option?
[22:58] <Kiall> you mean --git-pristine-tar ?
[22:58] <arand> Ah, yeah
[22:58] <Kiall> I'll try again, just in case!
[22:58] <Kiall> Humm..
[22:59] <Kiall> Oh .. dooh .. tried it in a copy without quilt ;0
[22:59] <Kiall> Oh .. dooh .. tried it in a copy without quilt ;)
[23:00] <Kiall> same thing again, no mention of pristine-tar
[23:00] <Kiall> Do you know of a public repo that uses GPB and pristine-tar? Maybe I can test that
[23:02] <Kiall> Humm .. Okay, testing with a repo I found and its working
[23:02] <RAOF> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-xorg/app/apitrace.git;a=summary does.
[23:02] <RAOF> Hah, too slow.
[23:04] <Kiall> The only obvious difference is one has an pristine-tar and origin/pristine-tar, while my only has pristine-tar
[23:05] <Kiall> nope .. thats not it :(
[23:05] <Kiall> Mind taking a look? https://github.com/kiall/test/tree/pristine-tar
[23:06] <Kiall> I've obv got something wrong with the repo
[23:10] <Kiall> aha!
[23:10] <Kiall> https://github.com/kiall/test/blob/master/debian/changelog#L1 ..
[23:10] <Kiall> needed to add a -1 to the end of the version
[23:11] <RAOF> Oh.  To make it non-native.  Right.
[23:12] <Kiall> yea, makes sense (now)
[23:12] <Kiall> thanks RAOF / arand
[23:19] <Kiall> since you guys would probably know, since the upstream package is also managed in git, is it possible for me to clone that repo, and use gpb + quilt without git-import-orig?
[23:22] <RAOF> Kiall: Absolutely; the apitrace repository I linked to above does exactly that.
[23:22] <Kiall> ah .. tried that first and didnt get it working :)
[23:23] <Kiall> how does the pristine-tar branch get managed so?
[23:24] <RAOF> I just manage it manually - ?pristine-tar commit ../path-to-tarball upstream-branch?
[23:25] <Kiall> so you create actually create a .tar.gz based on the upstream branch?
[23:26] <RAOF> Well, that depends.  If there *is* no upstream tarball then you need to create one, but if you're packaging a release you start with their tarball.
[23:27] <Kiall> and pristine-tar picks up on being inside a git repo and does the rest?
[23:37] <RAOF> Yeah.  pristine-tar commits to the pristine-tar branch :)
[23:40] <Kiall> cool :) should be easy to switch over then
[23:41] <arand> RAOF: So when you import-orig you only touch the pristine branch, and the debian branch?
[23:44] <RAOF> arand: I don't import-orig.
[23:45] <RAOF> arand: I merge the upstream release tag the tarball is based on into the ?upstream? branch, merge ?upstream? into debian, and pristine-tar commit the tarball.


[09:46] <brendand> anyone know why there is a casper directory in the server images now
[09:46] <brendand> ?
[09:49] <cjwatson> brendand: it's a buglet that it's called casper; but the server images now install the base system by unpacking a squashfs rather than by running debootstrap
[09:49] <cjwatson> I'll fix the naming at some point
[09:50] <brendand> cjwatson, okay - it might be confusing one of our tools. hopefully we can sort it out on our side
[09:52] <cjwatson> If you're going to build tooling around it, maybe I should fix it sooner rather than later
[09:55] <cjwatson> I'll move it to /install/filesystem.*
[09:58] <brendand> cjwatson, apparently we need to be able to discern whether a system is being installed via d-i or casper
[10:06] <cjwatson> brendand: Should be fixed in tomorrow's images
[10:57] <mpt> xnox, hi, I think the RAID design is functionally complete now
[10:58]  * xnox \0/
[10:59] <xnox> i will read the document soon.
[10:59] <mpt> It's not my best work. Partly I'm hamstrung by starting from the current advanced partitioner, but still, when creating an array it's opening two dialogs in succession, which is not cool.
[11:00] <mpt> And then going through N "Choose a security key" screens for however many LUKS-encrypted arrays you set up.
[11:04] <mpt> It's also highly suspicious that the way someone would choose which disks/partitions go into a volume group, and the way they'd choose which disks/partitions go into a Raid array, are completely different
[11:04] <mpt> They seem like similar operations
[11:06] <mpt> Are there any stats (or, failing that, guesswork) on (a) the distribution of how many Raid arrays real-world systems have (e.g. 0 = 99%, 1 = 0.7%, 2 = 0.2%...), and (b) the distribution of how many volume groups real-world systems have?
[11:09] <cjwatson> My guesswork would be that RAID is bimodal between (a) two (one for boot loader bits, one for LVM) and (b) lots (one corresponding to each mounted filesystem), but I have no stats
[11:10] <cjwatson> I don't think I've ever seen a system with more than one volume group, although my experience is fairly narrow and I can imagine needs for it
[11:17] <mpt> I guess (a) and (b) are both examples of "give me an array of each of these partitions"
[11:18] <mpt> Like the use case xnox gave me: "You want to use multiple devices in an encrypted RAID array, but the bootloader needs to be on a small unencrypted partition, so you want to partition all those devices in exactly the same way. The result will be two RAID arrays, one unencrypted and one encrypted, sharing the same set of disks."
[11:18] <mpt> That's (a)
[11:22] <mpt> I'll mark this as done now, but when I come back to the installer this week or next, I'll see how RAID would fit into the new advanced partitioner design, and maybe that will show me how to make the old-partitioner-based design less modal (if xnox hasn't started implementing that design by then).
[11:40] <xnox> cjwatson: i am adding an extra page in the automatic partitionaire for LUKS key setup. While the UI correctly switches to the new page, the debconf plows away and actually starts partitioning. Am I missing something to pause run() answering debconf questions?
[11:41] <cjwatson> What are you returning from run?
[11:42] <xnox> i only changed plugin_on_next_clicked() to return false.
[11:44] <xnox> cjwatson: good point. let me quickly double check.
[12:02] <xnox> mpt: =) "using the Unicode multiplication symbol"
[12:02] <mpt> xnox, you got me, that's ambiguous
[12:03] <cjwatson> xnox: So, each backend script has to correspond to one page - you can't have multiple pages for a single script
[12:04] <cjwatson> Well, I should probably check that, I forget how it works for the autopartitioner ...
[12:04] <cjwatson> (phone)
[12:04] <mpt> xnox, because there is not one but two multiplication symbols, U+00D7 and U+2715
[12:05] <xnox> mpt: i was giggling at the 'unicode'. I will make it work with unicode ;-)
[12:06]  * xnox ponders what's wrong with good old ASCII * symbol....
[12:06]  * xnox hides
[12:07] <xnox> cjwatson: well yes, it's a single page, but we swap the widgets in and out. E.g. the "ask, choose device/resize, manual" sub-pages. plus manual has dialogs as well.
[12:07] <cjwatson> Yeah, dialogs are different though because those are called in run() and it blocks on them returning
[12:11] <cjwatson> run normally shouldn't return until it's either preseeded the question that was asked or decided that it can carry on with the default value without explicitly preseeding it
[12:11] <xnox> cjwatson: excellent! i'll do that, but block on the function which validates passwords, waits for user to click 'install now'
[12:12] <xnox> i have been preseeding the luks password too early, before the users gets to type it in, resulting in empty password preseed =(
[12:12] <xnox> ok. thanks a lot.
[12:13] <cjwatson> OK.  As I think I said, it might well be worth splitting up the giant run method to try to make it a bit more comprehensible (and maybe testable too)
[12:13] <xnox> ..... yeah
[12:14] <xnox> cjwatson: some of run is easy to refactor, other bits (autopartitioning) do a lot of sniffing and changing state, such that the same questions do different things depending on the state.
[12:15] <cjwatson> Right, I think the bulk of that stores state in the instance rather than in local vars though
[12:15] <xnox> i tried to map out a DAG for it, but moved on to adding more stuff on top to implement new features.
[12:16] <xnox> you'd think that, but options are derived from OS count and extra_options pretty much in the UI already.
[12:16] <xnox> and options are not incrementally stored in the instance for example.
[12:16] <xnox> I got bitten by that.
[12:16] <xnox> well they are, but very late, when everything is done already.
[12:16] <cjwatson> sounds like a bug :)
[12:17] <cjwatson> anyway, don't need to split it all up to the finest granularity in one go - I was thinking one method per question asked
[12:17] <xnox> a quirk
[12:17] <xnox> ok.
[12:17] <cjwatson> and I'm pretty sure that *is* almost entirely self-contained at that level
[12:17] <cjwatson> at least, that would gain a level of indentation, which would help on its own :)
[12:17]  * xnox mentally highlights "almost"
[12:17] <xnox> =))))
[12:17] <xnox> ok.
[12:18] <xnox> let me sort this last bug, push auto-crypto out, then refactor, then continue with the other designs.
[12:18] <xnox> s/designs/features/
[12:27] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5578 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/debconffilter.py): Simplify DebconfFilter.process_line slightly.
[12:29] <CIA-7> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5579 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/keyboard_names.py): Simplify KeyboardNames._load_file using collections.defaultdict.
[19:49] <cody-somerville> Is it kopts when booting the live system to install before the double dash or after the double dash that get copied over to the installed system?
[22:58] <xnox> ubiquity crypt installation is very slow.....


[16:10] <ricotz> grady, you can add a line for bionic to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-mozilla-daily-ubuntu-ppa-eoan.list
[17:19] <grady> yep that works
[21:14] <darcstar> Hello
[21:14] <darcstar> I have a question.
[21:14] <darcstar> My firefox-nightly will not update using the PPA
[21:15] <darcstar> I have checked and there has been several updates
[21:16] <darcstar> I'm currently on release 71.0~a1~hg20190918r493713-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd1
[21:16] <darcstar> But the launchpad site saids 72.0~a1~hg20191024r498828-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~umd2
[21:17] <darcstar> What can I search on my system to find out why it will not update?
[21:17] <darcstar> I have reinstall the repository signing keys and it still will not update
[21:53] <darcstar> Okay I manually downloaded from launchpad. Hopefully it will start back updating automatically


[10:37] <InformatiQ> arosales: good morning
[17:04] <lazypower> o/ maxcan
[19:11] <jcastro> I need to report a Juju gui bug
[19:11] <jcastro> when a URL get's %20's instead of spaces
[19:11] <jcastro> what kind of bug is that, "URL encoding"?
[19:12] <bac> jcastro: that seems like it would work
[19:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: what url is it?
[19:13] <rick_h_> jcastro: there's a know bug on the features tab around that currently
[19:13] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1266887
[19:13] <_mup_> Bug #1266887: Charm Features page generates incorrect links <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266887>
[19:14] <jcastro> rick_h_, oh I think I just duped it
[19:14] <rick_h_> jcastro: rgr, it's on the board. Will dupe it.
[19:14] <jcastro> ta
[19:14] <jcastro> this is also weird
[19:14] <jcastro> you still have a double for "Handle service's user data"
[19:15] <jcastro> which is strange because it was doubled for whatever we called that bullet before
[19:15] <rick_h_> bac: is that all deployed and happy now?
[19:16] <jcastro> rick_h_, actually
[19:16] <jcastro> a bunch of the bullets are out of date
[19:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, not sure if it's deployed or not.
[19:17] <jcastro> oh ok
[19:17] <jcastro> so I should wait then, roger that
[19:17] <rick_h_> bac: was working on getting that going and we've got a deploy on the 'doing' list
[19:17] <jcastro> rick_h_, you're going to kill me, I want to propose a few more
[19:17]  * rick_h_ disconnects irc and runs away
[19:20] <bac> jcastro: not deployed yet.  will happen once i get this next branch landed


[01:19] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: hey, do you update the uefi firmware on your x1 carbons?
[01:27] <ibeardslee> yes
[01:28] <ibeardslee> there was some 'fun'
[01:28] <ibeardslee> only 3 'managed' ones have been done
[01:29] <ibeardslee> the updated bios, the 4.13 kernel and sssd don't seem to like working together
[01:29] <ibeardslee> had to add noibpb to the default kernel options in grub
[01:29] <mwhudson> argl
[01:30] <mwhudson> might leave well enough alone then :)
[01:30] <ibeardslee> any 2 of the "bios update", "4.13 kernel" and "sssd" are fine
[01:31] <ibeardslee> some people running other OS have updated themselves and are ok
[01:41] <mwhudson> wait sssd? i assumed that was a typo for ssd
[01:41] <mwhudson> i don't use sssd
[01:41] <mwhudson> or the 4.13 kernel, come to that but i'll upgrade soon i guess
[01:41] <mwhudson> oh wait bionic is on 4.15
[01:48] <ibeardslee> haven't tested with bionic yet, currently working on the FAI builds and planning a puppet rewrite to support bionic.
[01:57] <mwhudson> i need to buy a larger drive i think, will install bionic when i do
[01:58]  * mwhudson off for now


[22:43] <micahg> in the new world of proposed, when fixing something broken in $devel-proposed, should -v be used for the version in the release pocket?
[22:51] <cjwatson> micahg: I don't believe that's necessary
[22:51] <micahg> ok, thanks


[03:08] <astroo-> AMD, Nvidia ramp up Linux driver support after Valve's SteamOS announcement  http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html
[03:20] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:38] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[21:40] <CarteBlanche> boas
[21:40] <astroo-> ola


[22:02] <tsimonq2> flocculant: Ok, sorry, I misunderstood the bug report, I'll get an updated MP for you within the next day or two


[08:10] <luna_> Hello are you building the 5.9.9 kernel ?
[08:11] <luna_> seems files are missing here: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.9.9/
[17:19] <Igloo> Hi all! I'm seeing lots of FAILEDs when running "perf test" (https://pastebin.com/ePSs9Cpe); is that expected?
[17:20] <Igloo> I tried setting /proc/sys/kernel/kptr_restrict to 0 for the first one, but it didn't seem to help
[17:57] <Igloo> Setting /proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid has fixed /(or skipped) some of them
[19:59] <tomreyn> Igloo: did you run it as root?
[21:29] <Igloo> tomreyn: No
[21:30] <Igloo> If "perf test" needs to be run as root, does that mean that I have to run "perf stat"/"perf record" as root too?
[21:31] <sarnold> I sometimes chowned the files to my user account so I could skip sudo on those
[21:31] <Igloo> Which files?
[21:31] <sarnold> maybe you could change root's umask to let it create the files world readable, I never tried that one
[21:32] <sarnold> oh I appear to have misread the quesation, I assumed it was 'perf record' followed by 'perf report' etc..