[08:41] <babyface> xnox,  ping
[08:42] <xnox> babyface: hola
[08:43] <babyface> xnox,  I noticed that you had a talk on the issue: "91security returned error code 1" on July 4,  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/04/%23ubuntu-installer.txt
[08:43] <babyface> xnox, what's this issue about? is there a bug for it?
[08:45] <xnox> babyface: me and cjwatson fixed "plugininstall.py: SystemError: E:Write error - write (32: Broken pipe)"
[08:45] <xnox> babyface: I am not aware of the 91security returned error code 1
[08:45] <xnox> bugs
[08:48] <xnox> babyface: if you have a different bug, please file a bug report from the system running the installation using $ apport-bug ubiquity
[08:48] <babyface> xnox,  you know, I can find the error : apt-setup: warning: /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/generators/91security returned error code 1; discarding output  now in jenkins build logs, but it does not fail the test,  I don't know what's wrong,  and I found you have talked about it on July 4, so  I ask to make sure what's this error means and how can it fail
[08:54] <xnox> babyface: so how does your /etc/apt/sources.list end up looking as after the install?
[08:55] <xnox> cause that file simply sets up security updates repositories
[08:55] <xnox> maybe it exits with 1, because in jenkins network in not available and we hit the bug
[08:55] <xnox> bug 289197
[08:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 289197 in apt-setup "[Intrepid, hardy] security updates aren't enabled by default when installing without internet connection" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289197
[08:56] <xnox> the code is here:
[08:56] <xnox> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/apt-setup/quantal/view/head:/generators/91security
[08:56] <xnox> and there is nothing special about it...
[08:56] <babyface> xnox,  ack. thank you so much.
[08:56] <babyface> xnox, I will have a look on all the info and link first
[20:44] <CIA-4> ubiquity: stgraber * r5595 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog ubiquity.ubiquity.upstart): Source /etc/default/locale instead of /etc/environment in init script (LP: #1035167)
[21:41] <xnox> ubiquity greeter -> install
[21:41] <xnox> looks very different from
[21:42] <xnox> ubiquity greeter -> try desktop -> launch ubiquity
[21:42] <xnox> in terms of theming and gtk display
[21:42] <xnox> all buttons have icons on them !


[00:04] <kees> kwadronaut: and testing of said patch too :)
[00:14] <ausimage> K I have a packaging conundrum...
[00:14] <ausimage> with python... essential when dpkg configs the package it cannot find its modules...
[00:15] <ausimage> ie cannot import python code...
[00:15] <ausimage> from the main python script...
[00:15] <ausimage> lp:apt-zeroconf/r0.5
[00:16] <ausimage> some hints indicate it maybe its init script that dpkg calls...
[00:16] <ausimage> ajmitch: ?
[00:20] <ausimage> anyone?
[00:21] <ajmitch> be patient
[00:21]  * ajmitch is at work & can't look closely
[00:21] <ausimage> k sorry
[00:21] <ajmitch> it's been quiet in here today, so I don't know who else is around
[00:22] <ausimage> ok... always hard to tell
[00:23] <ajmitch> you should also give more details, such as logs from when you try & install it, in pastebin
[00:23] <ausimage> k...
[00:25] <ausimage> ajmitch: there has been only the python that was an Import Error thus far that happens after dpkg config
[00:26] <ausimage> I really though it might be the code itself but I can run the commands after it is installed with no errors
[00:26] <ausimage> *thought
[00:27] <ajmitch> does this happen on karmic, jaunty, randomly?
[00:27] <ausimage> Karmic for sure as that is what most of testers are using...
[00:28] <ausimage> and it is quite regular... dpkg config reconfig
[00:29]  * ajmitch can't reproduce it in pbuilder
[00:29] <ausimage> from the 0.5.1 package?
[00:29] <ajmitch> from the bzr branch, at least
[00:30] <ausimage> oh cool then maybe the suggestion worked :/
[00:30] <ausimage> ajmitch I modified the path of the init script
[00:30] <ausimage> er the path value
[00:30] <ausimage> I was not sure if that made any difference
[00:32] <ausimage> ajmitch: then the init script environment is pathless without the PATH: value?
[00:32] <ajmitch> not that I recall, but you'd probably want to look that up in debian policy at least
[00:33] <ausimage> cause that is about the only change I did :S
[00:33] <ausimage> thanks for your time ajmitch
[00:33] <ausimage> I will look at debian policy then too
[02:31] <jmarsden> Is there a way to cause rmadison to follow 302 redirects?  In Jaunty I am seeing things like
The document has moved here.

[02:31]  * ScottK doesn't get that at all.
[02:32] <ajmitch> the url has been updated in karmic's ubuntu-dev-tools
[02:33] <ScottK> Ah.  I think there's one in jaunty-backports perhaps.
[02:33]  * ScottK runs rmadison to find out
[02:33] <ajmitch> or devscripts, sorry
[02:33] <jmarsden> OK, I'll try to grab that...
[02:33] <ajmitch> I know I saw it on karmic-changes earlier :)
[02:33] <ScottK> Rught
[02:33] <ScottK> Right
[02:34] <ScottK> Yep.  Current devscripts in jaunty-backports
[02:37] <jmarsden> I seem to have devscripts 2.10.48ubuntu1~jaunty1  and it doesn't want to update even with jaunty-backports enabled...
[02:39] <jmarsden> I'll eat first and figure it out later when I am suitable fortified :)
[02:40] <ajmitch> backports isn't quite updated, by the look of things
[02:40] <Ampelbein> hey there... I remember there being a command to find out the relationship between 2 packages. i.e. you give it 2 packages and it checks why package2 gets pulled in when installing package1 - but I don't know the name anymore.
[02:42] <nhandler> Ampelbein: You can use 'aptitude why' to see why a package got installed
[02:44] <Ampelbein> nhandler: thx, that will do.
[03:22] <stochastic> I'm packaging an application and in it's aclocal.m4 file there are numerous headers with Copyright designations that read "Copyright (C) 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005  Free Software Foundation, Inc." with varying dates.  Do all of these notices need to be included in the debian/copyright file?
[03:26] <ScottK> stochastic: No.  Just the license.
[03:26] <ScottK> If this were Debian, the answer would be yes, but we aren't as pedantic about it as they are.  Getting the licenses documented is what actually matters.
[03:27] <stochastic> ScottK, there really isn't a license, here's an example of one of the headers: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/219469/
[03:28] <ScottK> stochastic: Sure there is. Lines 5 -7 is the license.
[03:30] <stochastic> ScottK, so in the debian/copyright file, I should just make a note that states: some files have the following license attached: ...
[03:30] <stochastic> (underneath the GPL2 or higher standard notice)
[03:30] <ankurwidguitar> Hi all
[03:31] <ankurwidguitar> How would I get a mentor for MOTU training?
[03:32] <ankurwidguitar> Can somebody please tell me anything about it in detail?
[03:34] <ScottK> stochastic: Yes, except you have to say which, so say something like */aclocal.m4 under the following license:
[03:34] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: One way is to just ask questions here.  No formality needed.
[03:34] <ScottK> stochastic: Odds are you'd get accepted without that since the .m4 files are auto generated, but it's better to have it in.
[03:35] <ankurwidguitar> Scottk: Can you give me any details? Well, I am sorry if I started the wrong way.
[03:36] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: There is a formal mentoring program where someone gets assigned to help you.  I don't know much about it.  The people here are generally helpful, so you can just ask questions with no formalities needed.
[03:36] <ScottK> Let me find the getting started link for you to read
[03:37] <stochastic> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> That's cool
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> I read that page, but I couldn't find how to get a mentor
[03:37] <ankurwidguitar> That's why I need somebody to explain it to me
[03:38] <ScottK> ankurwidguitar: Here's another one.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[03:38] <stochastic> Subscribe to the ubuntu-motu-mentors mailing list. https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors and ask on there
[03:38] <ankurwidguitar> Oh! Is it all?
[03:39] <ankurwidguitar> Isn't there any formal procedure for this?
[03:39] <ScottK> That's the formal procedure
[03:39] <ScottK> Ask on the mailing list.
[03:40] <ankurwidguitar> Thank you guys!
[03:53] <porthose> ankurwidguitar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring;-)
[04:17]  * StevenK nails RAOF__ to IRC
[04:32] <stochastic> does anyone feel like taking a REVU of any of these packages: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid
[05:58] <Dabian> Anyone from the CC here?  I need them to consider a change to the CoC, so I can sign it. :)
[06:00] <micahg> Dabian: why would a consideration make you sign it now?
[06:01] <Dabian> micahg: What do you mean?
[06:01] <Dabian> Oh .. I would sign the changed CoC of course. :)
[06:03] <micahg> ah, ok
[06:05] <Dabian> micahg: Sorry if my original statement was confusing.
[06:06] <Dabian> Hmm .. seems all four members of the CC are offline.
[06:06] <Dabian> error
[06:06] <Dabian> half of them appears to be offline.
[06:06] <Dabian> the other half appears to have been idle for day(s).
[06:07] <Dabian> Would it be silly to sign an altered version of the CoC?
[06:11] <fabrice_sp> Good morning. java3d is now building fine in amd64. Is it possible to retry to build it (a "give-back" to the buildds) ? Thanks
[06:19] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: Done
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> thanks StevenK
[06:21] <morphias> hey is the ubuntu team hiring?
[06:21] <freakabcd> hi all
[06:22] <fabrice_sp> hi freakabcd
[06:22] <freakabcd> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[06:22] <freakabcd> i see the dvd images are 4.9 G in size
[06:22] <freakabcd> have we moved to dual-layer dvds by deafult already?
[06:23] <fabrice_sp> morphias, have a look at http://www.canonical.com/aboutus/employment
[06:25] <freakabcd> seriously guys, its 4.9G  !!
[06:26] <fabrice_sp> freakabcd, I don't think so, but tbh, I don't know. Some cleanup in the archive is still needed, I think
[06:27] <freakabcd> nope, for sure it is 4.9 GiB
[06:27] <freakabcd> so dual layer dvd :(
[06:30] <fabrice_sp> How can a package build fine in sbuild, and fail in the archive, with this error: Unable to find a javac compiler (http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29127840/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.java3d_0.0.cvs.20090202.dfsg-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz)?
[06:39] <pochu> morphias: Canonical is: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/
[06:53] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: 4.9GB probably means it's oversized, it should be 4.7GB
[06:53] <StevenK> Sigh. freakabcd &
[06:53] <StevenK> fabrice_sp: You lose, java3d failed on amd64 again
[06:54] <fabrice_sp> StevenK, I saw. But it's strange, because now, its not finding the java compiler :-/
[06:54] <freakabcd> Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 700MB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine.
[06:54] <fabrice_sp> that's why I was asking before why it can build fine in a sbuild chroot and not in buildds :-/
[06:54] <freakabcd> StevenK, thats the message on top. says about oversized images for CDs. not DVDs.
[06:55] <StevenK> freakabcd: Yes, there is a karmic-dvd-i386.OVERSIZED file, which means the image is larger than it should be.
[06:55] <StevenK> freakabcd: Yes, that's a bug too.
[06:55] <freakabcd> someone needs to fix the doco there.
[06:55] <StevenK> I'm looking at it now
[06:55] <freakabcd> thanks for verifying. also is there any info about this VM bug?
[06:56] <StevenK> Which bug?
[06:56] <Dabian> OK .. I signed the stock version!
[06:56] <freakabcd> sorry. the bug thats generating the oversized images (for both cds and dvds)
[06:57] <StevenK> freakabcd: It requires investigation.
[06:58] <StevenK> freakabcd: So, there's two bugs. 1) The livecds and dvd images are oversized, and 2) the oversized message for DVDs is misleading
[06:58] <freakabcd> yes, i want to know of bug 1, bug2 is interesting, but a trivial fix
[06:59] <freakabcd> lol ubottu :)
[06:59] <StevenK> freakabcd: I'm looking at the code now, it isn't.
[06:59] <StevenK> (for the second bug)
[07:01] <freakabcd> really?
[07:02] <freakabcd> don;t tell me there isn;t an override. i.e. have something manually added to the autogenerated messages?
[07:02] <StevenK> Well, the code should be taught to about the difference between CDs and DVDs.
[07:03] <freakabcd> yes, my solution was an intermediate solution
[07:04] <StevenK> freakabcd: I've reported bug 400090 about the issue, if you'd like to subscribe
[07:05] <freakabcd> thanks StevenK
[07:08] <freakabcd> just subscribed to it
[07:14] <freakabcd> gotta run off now
[07:37]  * maxb is a bit surprised that dh_make recommends licensing your debian packaging under GPL-3
[07:37] <lifeless> I find packaging licencing a fundamentally odd concept
[07:45] <alkisg> When I insert e.g. the Jaunty CD in the drive, I get prompted to install new software from this CD.  Do I just need to burn the /dist and /pool directories?
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:01] <dholbach> hi iulian
[08:21] <didrocks> good morning
[08:22] <kklimonda> am I the only one who gets 302 when using rmadison today?
[08:41] <stochastic> kklimonda, you're not the only one.  I get this on a Jaunty system.
[08:45] <slytherin> Same here on hardy system.
[08:47] <slytherin> It looks like url has changed from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi
[08:48] <raywang> Hi, does anyone have time to review a package? : )
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:52] <tweaker25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:54] <AnAnt> slytherin: silly me !
[08:55] <AnAnt> slytherin: re-uploaded monajat now !
[08:56] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:56] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:56] <Flannel> modder25, tweaker25: stop it.
[08:57] <geser> good morning
[08:57] <dpm> modder25: tweaker25: I think others have already explained you very well already that this is not how it works
[08:58] <geser> kklimonda: bug 399891
[08:59] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=fr&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpid%3D2808462%23p2808462&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=
[08:59] <modder25> [03:35] <tweaker25> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2808462#p2808462
[08:59] <AnAnt> what's going on ?
[09:00] <micahg> I think someone has a couple of bots in the room
[09:00] <micahg> same user on both
[09:00] <wgrant> Not bots.
[09:00] <wgrant> Just a strange user.
[09:00]  * _ruben blames canada!
[09:00] <AnAnt> modder25: viens a #ubuntu-fr
[09:00] <micahg> signed in twice?
[09:01] <wgrant> micahg: Yes.
[09:01] <wgrant> micahg: It speaks in #ubuntu-devel.
[09:01] <wgrant> Threatens, even.
[09:01] <micahg> ok
[09:01] <_ruben> threats, now those are ofcourse *the* way to get instant help
[09:18] <slytherin> AnAnt: Will take some time. Busy with office work.
[09:18] <tmba> Hi guys, I'm looking for some help for changing a dependency of a deb package. Basically I have this proprietary package which has a dependency on an old version of a library. I know it works with newer versions of the library (because I installed it manually using dpkg). However, I'd like to not have apt-get continually complaining about the dependency, so am thinking of changin the dependency using ... equivs? I tried looking for tutorial online, but no
[09:21] <slytherin> tmba: Do you have source for the package?
[09:22] <tmba> slytherin: no, I dont
[09:23] <slytherin> tmba: Then I am not sure you will be able to change dependency.
[09:24] <tmba> I found something about equivs online, but could not find any good documentation on just changing the dependency with it
[09:24] <tmba> as in..  by using equivs
[09:29] <Laney> tmba: yes you can
[09:29] <tmba> Laney: thanks for reply, any suggestions on how to go about doing it?
[09:30] <Laney> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html here is a good guide
[09:30] <tmba> Laney: thanks, I'll take a look
[09:46] <tmba> Laney: the guide you gave was really good and it worked beautifully.
[09:46] <tmba> Thanks for your help again
[09:46] <Laney> no worries, enjoy
[09:58] <juanje> tmba: also you can extract the binary's content and change it with dpkg-deb (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/219619/)
[11:15] <quadrispro> any MOTUMedia team member around?
[11:16] <Laney> gaspa: I think we should move with the ghc transition now
[11:17] <gaspa> Laney: i started look at the last weekend... when I asked you about that strange log.
[11:17] <Laney> ok
[11:17] <Laney> I checked with Ian Lynagh
[11:17] <gaspa> but I cannot handle it... is hugs outdated?
[11:17] <gaspa> and?
[11:18] <Laney> and no dice
[11:18] <Laney> i'll have a closer look later
[11:19] <Laney> try and get some transition aids working today
[11:19] <gaspa> yup
[11:19] <gaspa> i uploaded only a couple of packages...
[11:19] <gaspa> there's still a lot of work...
[11:19] <Laney> it's not so bad
[11:22] <Laney> we have the power!
[11:23]  * Laney rewrites GNOME in Haskell
[11:23] <Laney> forget this c# business
[11:24] <gaspa> LOL
[11:48]  * slytherin wishes he could re-write GNOME in java.
[12:46] <rawler> hey people!
[12:47] <rawler> I'm pondering a problem I've been experiencing every now and then, and I'm thinking of whether it should actually be considered a Denial Of Service - weakness in the VM of Linux..
[12:48] <rawler> basically, whenever any app eats a little too much ram and starts swapping exessively, the system get's completely unusable..
[12:49] <rawler> basically, in bad cases, it can take half-hours or more before the OOM-killer decides to slay the process, and meanwhile, it's almost hopeless trying to log-on and killing it manually.. (takes up to half-hours as well)
[12:50] <rawler> I've written a short test-program to demonstrate.. (silly stuff.. just keep allocating 4-meg chunks of memory, and keep iterating all ram to stress the paging mechanisms)
[12:51] <rawler> but this program http://pastebin.com/m72f1539f, actually sinks my machine to the point where it's very difficult to get enough control to stop the program, especially if run a few times in parallell.. (the system just starts swapping exessively)
[12:53] <rawler> I think it's possible to devise memory-access patterns that would be even more evil to the swap, and on a multi-user-system, this is a fairly effective Denial Of Service in the default configuration of Ubuntu..
[12:55] <rawler> although, I'm not sure the core issue is at Ubuntu.. it could be prevented in theory by ulimit:ing rss to avoid run-away memory-hogs swapping out too many other processes, but that could again be circumvented by launching several memory-hogs in parallell to exhaust memory anyways..
[12:55] <rawler> have anyone got any thoughts about this?
[12:56] <rawler> I'm considering taking it further, but I'm unsure of where to? Ubuntu-kernel-team? Ubuntu-security? Maybe LKML directly, or what?
[12:58] <geser> google for "overcommit" and "linux"
[13:06] <rawler> geser: reading.. still not sure this is my problem though..
[13:06] <rawler> the overcommit seems to be dealing whether a process is allowed to allocate more memory than RAM + SWAP..
[13:07] <rawler> my problem is that when the system starts using the swap, it can be forced into situations where it's difficult to regain control and kill the offender..
[13:10] <geser> disks are slow, so to avoid this lags is to not let swap getting used (e.g. disable swap). without swap you get to the OOM point earlier and don't have the slow-down of disks
[13:10] <rawler> ok, but then what's the point of having a swap?
[13:10] <rawler> the default Ubuntu-installation comes with a fairly sized swap, doesn't it?
[13:14] <rawler> if someone have a little time on their hand, it would be greatly appreciated if they would download the source-code, build it, and test the effect on their systems.. on my system, launching a couple of those processes will almost halt the system.. it takes so long for the OOM-killer to trigger react that I'm more or less forced to a powercycle just to get control back.. maybe it's a problem with my configuration, maybe it's a driver-
[13:24] <directhex> rawler, the oom-killer sucks
[13:24] <_andre> hello
[13:24] <_andre> i have uploaded some packages to revu last week
[13:24] <rawler> directhex: how so?
[13:24] <_andre> they're lintian- and revu- clean
[13:25] <_andre> i've been trying to get someone to review them for inclusion in ubuntu
[13:25] <_andre> anyone could have a look at them?
[13:37] <_andre> is this the appropriate way to get reviewers, or is there a mailing list or some other different process?
[13:46] <rawler> interesting enough, I just tried running the above stuff on my older laptop (also Ubuntu), and while it were definitely stressed of the experience, it did not exactly halt, thrashing so much that it was not possible to regain control..
[13:48] <rawler> so I wonder whether this exessive swapping behavior is somehow unique to my desktop-machine for some reason.. unfortunately, I don't have more machine to test on.. :S
[13:54] <rawler> oh, actually, I did manage to halt the older laptop as well.. just required some modifications to the code, and waiting a bit longer..
[13:55] <rawler> but it DID fare much better.. *thinking*
[14:49] <noodles775> Hi! I'm wondering if someone can help me here and there to take over a package that is already on revu but not yet in Ubuntu: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sphinxbase
[14:50] <noodles775> My first question would be, is it possible for me to start where the other person left off? I don't seem to have permission to download the diff and changes files etc.
[14:51] <noodles775> I've already got the original, but I guess it would be helpful to get the changes etc. too.
[14:54] <james_w> hey noodles775
[14:54] <noodles775> Hi james_w :)
[14:54] <james_w> that package is old, I think you should be ok taking it over
[14:54] <james_w> I'm not sure why you think you can't download the parts though, they're not access controlled as far as I know
[14:55] <vadi2> Is it possible to get the .15 version of pulseaudio on jaunty?
[14:55] <james_w> If you "dget http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/sphinxbase-0807312100/sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1.dsc" then you will have the source package that they last uploaded
[14:55] <james_w> vadi2: I think it needs a newer kernel
[14:56] <vadi2> Ah. Unfortunate. It's being a pita again and defying logic: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7365/screenshot100082.png
[14:56] <noodles775> james_w: ak ok. I was specifically trying sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1_source.changes which 403s for me.
[14:56] <james_w> noodles775: ah, me too
[14:56] <james_w> .changes aren't important for this though
[14:57] <noodles775> james_w: OK, great. I've got the latest sphinxbase (0.4.1) tag.gz here, so I'll try to go a bit further from there then. Is it ok if I ping you every now-and-then?
[14:58] <james_w> sure
[14:58] <james_w> you know about uupdate?
[14:58] <noodles775> nope
[15:00] <james_w> that will allow you to combine the source package with the new 0.4.1
[15:00] <james_w> if you "dpkg-source -x sphinxbase_0.4-0ubuntu1.dsc"
[15:00] <james_w> then "cd sphinxbase-0.4"
[15:01] <james_w> then you can run "uupdate -f ../sphinxbase-0.4.1.tar.gz"
[15:01] <james_w> (I think that's the right syntax)
[15:01] <james_w> that will get you a 0.4.1 package in ../sphinxbase-0.4.1
[15:01] <noodles775> Nice! I'll try that then.. thanks!
[15:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:05] <noodles775> james_w: When using dget I'm getting a failed signature check on dhuggins' key 01342E29, even though I've imported that public key...
[15:05] <james_w> noodles775: not really important
[15:05] <james_w> I'm not sure why though
[15:06] <noodles775> OK, I'll ignore it then :)
[15:15] <geser> noodles775: dget uses dscverify for signature check which doesn't use your users public keyring by default
[15:15] <noodles775> geser: Ah, good to know... thanks!
[15:16] <geser> see the manpage of dscverify for the variable in ~/.devscripts to pass additional keyrings
[15:17] <noodles775> Will do. Taa.
[15:39] <noodles775> james_w: is there a template somewhere for a simple get-orig-source that downloads the tar.gz and verifies it?
[15:39] <noodles775> all the examples I'm finding are more complicated conversions from bz2 etc.
[15:39] <simon-o> hi, what do I enter in requestsync, when a Ubuntu delta can't be dropped?
[15:40] <Laney> nothing because it's then not a sync
[15:40] <james_w> noodles775: you shouldn't need a get-orig-source
[15:41] <james_w> noodles775: a watch file will probably do
[15:41] <james_w> "man uscan"
[15:41] <noodles775> great thanks (I thought it was preferred, but must have misunderstood)
[15:44] <simon-o> Laney: ok, thanks.
[15:45] <Laney> simon-o: this is called a merge
[15:45] <simon-o> Is there any special procedure or just a normal update?
[15:45] <simon-o> Laney: I guess I can just copy the package from debian and merge in the Ubuntu changes
[15:46] <Laney> yes that's the procedure
[15:46] <Laney> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[15:47] <simon-o> Laney: thanks, I'll try that
[16:03] <Pici> I'm not sure where to ask this, so feel free to punt me elsewhere.  Shouldn't packages updates that fix CVEs be attributed as such on LP's CVE tracker? Or does this functionaly not exist?
[16:28] <noodles775> james_w: OK, once I've tested with pbuilder for karmic, can I just upload the new package to revu?
[16:29] <james_w> yeah
[16:30] <noodles775> Great... seems to be working. Thanks for all your help :)
[16:31] <dholbach> who could imagine giving a session about merging at UDW?
[16:31] <dholbach> merging/syncing maybe, just demoing a few simple examples and the idea behind it
[16:31] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has 3 open slots
[16:38] <noodles775> dholbach: I'm feeling less stressed than the other week ;), I'd be happy to fill one of the slots, but probably with something LP related (if there aren't too many yet?)
[16:39] <dholbach> noodles775: there's two sessions about something LP related on there already... what would you like to talk about? it could be something web development-y too
[16:40] <dholbach> I'm just trying to get the schedule in place today or tomorrow because of my holidays :)
[16:58] <_andre> i have uploaded some lintian-clean packages to revu
[16:58] <_andre> i've been trying to get someone to review them for inclusion
[16:59] <_andre> could anyone have a look at them?
[17:00] <_andre> is this the appropriate way to get reviewers, or is there a mailing list or some other different process?
[17:02] <hyperair> this is the place
[17:02] <hyperair> of course, you actually have to provide a link[
[17:03] <hyperair> and perhaps some short description that can catch a passing MOTU's eye
[17:03] <_andre> these are the links:
[17:03] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/watchcatd
[17:04] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libwcat
[17:04] <_andre> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libapache2-mod-watchcat
[17:04] <hyperair> oh those.
[17:04] <_andre> they work together, the apache module is the most useful one
[17:04] <hyperair> lemme go poke them and see
[17:04] <_andre> especially for shared hosting providers
[17:04] <hyperair> i didn't have time to look at it the other day
[17:04] <_andre> thanks :)
[17:11] <noodles775> If there are any MOTUs with time to look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sphinxbase for me, it'd make my day too :)
[17:12] <noodles775> I've got to pop out for a few hours, but will check back later... thanks in advance if anyone takes it up.
[17:42] <frostburn> how does one install python modules using easy_install ? it keeps complaining about site.py which was modified by debian as a hack and inherited to ubuntu    I could just copy over the files, but is there a more elegant solution?
[17:43] <_dcraven> Speaking of REVU, is there a process for which to "adopt" stale *needs work* packages in that thing?
[18:11] <hyperair> _andre: W: watchcatd source: diff-contains-svn-control-dir tester/.svn
[18:11] <hyperair> W: watchcatd source: diff-contains-svn-control-dir tester/confs/.svn
[18:13] <_andre> oops
[18:15] <_andre> hyperair: do you see any other issue?
[18:15] <_andre> i can upload a correction right now
[18:35] <hyperair> _andre: don't see anything yet.
[18:37] <hyperair> _andre: regarding your long rules file, i'd actually suggest that you use the dh7 rules style
[18:37] <hyperair> man dh for more info
[18:39] <_andre> i followed the wiki and used dh_make to create a template, and then just edited it
[18:39] <chrisccoulson> hi persia, i'm not sure if you're around or not. if so, would you mind adding me to ubuntu-universe-sponsors please?:)
[18:39] <_andre> would that be a show stopper?
[19:15] <_andre> hyperair: would this rules file be preferred? http://codepad.org/EFuxwHLv
[19:23] <evanrmurphy> When a package is installed or removed, by default its dependencies are as well, right? Or are the dependencies only included for install but not remove... I'm trying to fix a bug where knowledge of this is essential. Is there anybody who could explain or point me toward the relevant documentation? Thanks.
[19:27] <randomaction> evanrmurphy: It depends on what you do. If you install with "apt-get install", dependencies are installed. If you remove with "apt-get remove", they are not removed.
[19:27] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: heh... I think it's specific to a program you use. apt-get doesn't remove unneeded dependencies until you use autoremove, aptitude remove them when a package that depends on them is removed
[19:27] <kklimonda> (at least when you use purge)
[19:28] <randomaction> On the other hand, if you install with "dpkg -i", you'll get a missing dependencies error.
[19:28] <Laney> until you do apt-get -f install
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> you can use also gdebi
[19:30] <evanrmurphy> randomaction, kklimonda, Laney, fabrice_sp: Wow, thanks everybody. That helps a good deal.
[19:34] <Majost> Is there something wrong with launchpad right now?
[19:34] <evanrmurphy> Majost: Main page loads for me. What's the issue?
[19:35] <Majost> I cannot seem to load the main page even
[19:37] <Majost> huh... seems okay now
[19:37] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. If upstream drops the -02 CFLAG from a Makefile, should I do the same in debian/rules if I'm specifying that same flag?
[19:37] <Majost> was just taking a really long time to load... sorry for the false alarm.
[19:37] <_andre> do debuild and pbuilder behave differently wrt override_dh_* targets in the rules file?
[19:38] <_andre> my override_dh_auto_build seems to be ignored when using pbuilder
[19:45] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. If upstream drops the -02 CFLAG from a Makefile, should I do the same in debian/rules?
[19:47] <kklimonda> RoAkSoAx: probably - was it explained in changelog?
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> kklimonda, no it wasn't. The new upstream release made that change. So, since they remove the flag from their Makefile, I was wondering if i should do the same in debian/rules
[20:14] <evanrmurphy> I'm trying to fix this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epiphany-browser/+bug/313690) but I'm stuck. I'm trying to figure first of all if it's really a bug/problem that epiphany-browser doesn't depend on epiphany-browser-data. I'm not sure the bug filer understood that epiphany-browser is a dummy package, but I'm new to this and would appreciate a bit of guidance/advice. Thank you.
[20:28] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I'm not sure if it's even a bug
[20:29] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: aptitude just informs user that if he tries to remove epiphany-browser-data he has to also remove epiphany-gecko because it depends on -data..
[20:29] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I have similar doubts. I found it because it was on the http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/sourcepackages.html list as a "bitesize" bug.
[20:31] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Right. I'm having trouble understanding what making epiphany-browser depend on -data could help, or what the bug reporter was thinking.
[20:31] <simon-o> hi, when I run grab-merge I get a warning about a package being maintained in the debian SVN. Is there anything special to do in this case?
[20:32] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Maybe it's surprising that epiphany-gecko doesn't depend on epiphany-browser-data, but I'm not sure it's a problem.
[20:32] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Can I ask, how would you handle this bug report? Ask for clarification?
[20:33] <kklimonda> but epiphany-gecko depends on epiphany-browser-data - that's why it's removed when you do aptitude purge epiphany-browser-data
[20:33] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I don't see a bug here..
[20:34] <evanrmurphy> You're right about epiphany-gecko depending on -data, my mistake!
[20:34] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: if we made epiphany-browser depend on -browser-data it wouldn't fix this issue anyway
[20:34] <evanrmurphy> Hmmm...
[20:35] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Is the supposed problem that epiphany-browser-data lingers even after you remove epiphany-browser and epiphany-gecko?
[20:36] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: but it doesn't..
[20:37] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I think it does.
[20:37] <kklimonda> oh wait hm..
[20:37] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: You have to purge epiphany-browser-data specifically for it to be removed.
[20:38] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: yes - it may be considered a bug. removing epiphany-browser should make all its dependencies "unneeded"..
[20:38] <kklimonda> interesting
[20:39] <kklimonda> i'm kinda slow today because of the heat.. heh..
[20:39] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: No worries, I appreciate your help. :)
[20:40] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: epiphany-browser depends on epiphany-gecko, which in turn depends on epiphany-browser-data.
[20:40] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I guess the problem is that epiphany-gecko recommends epiphany-extensions and epiphany-extensions depends on epiphany-gecko
[20:42] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Is that a separate problem, or are you suggesting that's the root of this problem?
[20:43] <evanrmurphy> (Not sure why epiphany-extensions would be relevant...)
[20:53] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: I think the real bug is why epiphany-gecko isn't marked for removal after epiphany-browser is removed
[20:54] <kklimonda> but I have no idea why is it..
[20:55] <kklimonda> isn't it*
[20:55] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Yes, you may be right. Perhaps epiphany-gecko is a stand-alone package as well and isn't only useful as the backend to epiphany-browser?
[20:56] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: But supposing your right, what about the issue that removing epiphany-gecko still doesn't remove epiphany-browser-data?
[20:56] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: Yes, but when it's installed as a dependency of epiphany-browser it should be removed with it..
[20:56] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Ahh, I see.
[20:57] <kklimonda> evanrmurphy: when you remove epiphany-gecko you can run apt-get autoremove to remove -browser-data
[20:57] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Let me try that.
[20:57] <kklimonda> it should work the same way when you remove epiphany-browser (i.e. it should remove epiphany-gecko AND epiphany-browser-data as they aren't needed anymore)
[20:58] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: You're right that autoremove removes -browser-data after you remove epiphany-gecko.
[20:59] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: But if you autoremove epiphany-browser, it doesn't remove -gecko, -browser-data and the rest...
[20:59] <kklimonda> yes, I have no idea why though..
[21:01] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: I'll make a comment on the bug report following what we've discovered here. Then I'll contact the original maintainer of the package and ask about it. How does that sound?
[21:03] <kklimonda> sounds good to me
[21:04] <evanrmurphy> kklimonda: Thanks again.
[21:33] <POX> devfil_: any news on wag? DktrKranz needs it...
[21:33] <POX> waf
[21:40] <devfil> POX, nope, I don't know how to extract it
[21:42] <POX> devfil: did you take a look at the webpage I gave you?
[21:44] <devfil> POX, I tried that time ago without results
[21:44]  * devfil retries
[21:59] <micahg> can I still request an update for a new version upstream for karmic?
[22:00] <ajmitch> yes
[22:00] <micahg> is there a special language I have to use, I could only find the debian specific language
[22:02] <ajmitch> what do you mean? There's the requestsync tool, if there's a package in ubuntu that hasn't been modified & the debian package is newer
[22:03] <micahg> no, upstream is newer, not debian
[22:03] <micahg> and we've already jumped beyond the debian version
[22:03] <Laney> just file a bug asking for it
[22:03] <Laney> and tag it upgrade
[22:04] <ajmitch> preferably with an updated package that you've done :)
[22:04] <Laney> well yes, otherwise there's no guarantee it will be done
[22:05] <micahg> I might be able to try updating the package next week
[22:05] <micahg> it's for nmap
[22:06] <micahg> what should I do if I manage to make a package?
[22:06] <ajmitch> subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[22:06] <micahg> and point to my ppa?
[22:07] <Laney> upload the .diff.gz to the bug
[22:07] <micahg> it's a main package actually
[22:07] <ajmitch> ah yes, ubuntu-main-sponsors then
[22:07] <micahg> ok
[22:07] <micahg> cool
[22:07] <micahg> I'll try next week
[22:07] <micahg> thanks
[22:07] <micahg> bug 400410 if anyone else wants to do it :)
[22:07] <ajmitch> you could also open a bug for debian offering your work there
[22:08] <micahg> debian is behind us, debian unstable is at 4.68 and we're at 4.76
[22:08] <micahg> I don't know enough yet to update that
[22:08] <ajmitch> which is why you should offer your update to the debian maintainer
[22:09] <micahg> but I hope to learn some day
[22:09] <ajmitch> it's pretty much the same
[22:10] <ajmitch> the nmap maintainer in debian has been known to lurk around these parts as well
[22:10]  * Laney sees that mentors has 4.76
[22:11] <Laney> from our very own jpds
[22:12] <ajmitch> and lamont asking why he didn't just send a patch to the debian maintainer :)
[22:29] <RoAkSoAx> Hey guys. how can I fix this: install: cannot create regular file `/sbin/ipvsadm': Permission denied
[22:29] <geser> don't install in /
[22:29] <geser> but install below ./debian/tmp or ./debian/<pkg>
[22:30] <geser> check if the Makefile supports DESTDIR
[22:33] <RoAkSoAx> geser, It actually does not support it. Should I add support to it?
[22:33] <geser> yes
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> geser, one more question. I'm trying to upgrade ipvsadm to latest version (1.25), which adds ipv6 support. debian/rules of ipvsadm 1.24 was: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/220082/ . The one I'm using for ipvsadm1.25 is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/220084/. ipvsadm1.25 gets installed correctly but it seems that it does not have support for ipv6 (It appears that it install the previous version). However, when I installed it from source, it actual
[22:38] <RoAkSoAx> ly has the support. Any ideas of what can be wrong in the packaging?
[22:44] <geser> check in the source when IPv6 is enabled
[22:50] <cyberixae> Why has this source been package as a binary package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/line6-usb-source
[22:50] <cyberixae> packaged
[22:52] <RoAkSoAx> geser, and once I have it?
[22:57] <geser> figure out why it hasn't ipv6 support
[23:01] <RoAkSoAx> geser, ok thanks :)
[23:01] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, because the module needs to be compiled for your kernel version
[23:06] <cyberixae> cody-somerville: Is there no way of creating binary packages for such software?
[23:06] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, We do create a binary package
[23:07] <cody-somerville> cyberixae, But without putting the module in the kernel package its self, the package would need to be re-uploaded and rebuilt everytime we bump the kernel ABI from what I understand
[23:07] <cody-somerville> so packages like line6-usb-source are setup so that they'll download to your computer, compile themselves, and re-compile themselves when it detects it needs to
[23:08] <cody-somerville> (using a tool called dkms)
[23:19] <evanrmurphy> How does membership work between MOTU and the MOTU subteams? Does one have to become a general MOTU before s/he can apply for membership in a MOTU subteam, or...? Thank you.
[23:20] <nellery> evanrmurphy: not usually
[23:20] <evanrmurphy> nellery: You were just recently approved as a member, correct?
[23:21] <nellery> evanrmurphy: member for which team?
[23:22] <evanrmurphy> nellery: For MOTU (?) I recall seeing an email about it and a post in the Newsletter.
[23:22] <evanrmurphy> nellery: Well which team(s) are you a member of? :D
[23:23] <nellery> evanrmurphy: I'm a MOTU
[23:26] <evanrmurphy> nellery: Are you a general MOTU then, and/or a member of a MOTU subteam, or does it not really work like that?
[23:28] <nellery> evanrmurphy: mainly just MOTU.
[23:34] <cyberixae> T
[23:39] <maxb> I imagine I can figure it out myself in 10 minutes or so, but does anyone have a readymade example of how to backport "dh --with quilt" to work with a version of quilt which doesn't provide that debhelper integration?
[23:53] <RoAkSoAx> Heya. Anyone know where can I find documentation on what this means?? : $(findstring noopt,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))


[09:39] <ironmantis7x> Hi
[09:39] <ironmantis7x> Will there be any updates or continuation of Ubuntu Touch project?
[09:40] <k1l_> ironmantis7x: not from the canonical side. but the #ubports community is forming to keep the project alive.
[09:41] <ironmantis7x> Great!
[09:41] <ironmantis7x> I want to contribute and support!
[09:41] <ironmantis7x> I am a newbie to linux and software development. But I have twenty years as a test engineer
[09:42] <ironmantis7x> How can I help?
[09:42] <k1l_> then talk to the ubports guys, help is welcome there
[09:42] <ironmantis7x> How can I get access to the #imports community?
[09:42] <k1l_> /join #ubports
[09:42] <ironmantis7x> Is there a url for them? Thanks for letting me know?
[09:43] <k1l_> https://ubports.com
[09:43] <ironmantis7x> Thanks!!!
[09:43] <k1l_> telegram group: https://ubports.com/telegram (if you use/have telegram)
[09:43] <ironmantis7x> By the way -- I started running links in 2007 as my full time OS and have never looked back!!
[09:44] <ironmantis7x> I love linux!!
[09:44] <ironmantis7x> Thanks!!
[18:55] <Szymkowiak> join


[04:04] <callmepk> good morning
[04:07] <duflu> Afternoon callmepk :)
[04:08] <callmepk> afternoon duflu
[04:27] <luna_> morning
[05:37] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:44] <duflu> Morning luna_ and seb128
[06:06] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:07] <duflu> seb128, I was going well. Only slightly annoyed I need a new glib today to build mutter. How are you?
[06:07] <seb128> duflu, tired but alright otherwise I think
[06:11] <seb128> going offline for a bit again bbl
[06:46] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:00] <callmepk> morning luna_ oSoMoN
[07:06] <luna_> morning, time to go back to do FOSDEM Online things
[07:13] <jibel> Good morning
[07:18] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and jibel
[07:25] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk, luna_, jibel, duflu
[07:25] <callmepk> morning jibel
[08:03] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu luna_ seb000 oSoMoN jibel
[08:03] <callmepk> morning marcustomlinson
[08:03] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:09] <didrocks> good morning
[08:10] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[08:10] <callmepk> morning didrocks
[08:16] <didrocks> hey duflu, callmepk
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks
[08:20] <jibel> salut didrocks duflu oSoMoN callmepk marcustomlinson
[08:22] <didrocks> salut jibel, hey marcustomlinson
[08:29] <seb128> hey again desktoppers
[08:29] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128
[08:29] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, do you feel better today?
[08:30] <marcustomlinson> seb128: yeah much better thanks, slept it off yesterday :) how are you?
[08:31] <seb128> a bit tired but alright otherwise
[08:36] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:36] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment ça va ?
[08:36] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:39] <jibel> salut seb128
[09:01] <Laney> yo
[09:03] <seb128> didrocks, ça va oui :-)
[09:03] <seb128> lut jibel
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:09] <jibel> Hi Laney
[09:11] <Laney> peace seb128 und jibel
[09:11] <Laney> bon friday to you
[09:12] <seb128> happy vendredi également !
[09:16] <jibel> Bonne fin de semaine to you!
[09:16] <didrocks> bon vendredi Laney
[09:19]  * Laney tries rot13, nope
[09:21] <didrocks> :)
[09:30] <duflu> Oldschool
[09:30] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:33] <Laney> tbbq zbeavat qhsyh!
[09:44] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[09:44] <duflu> Hi Wimpress
[09:44] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney and Wimpress
[09:45] <seb128> hey Wimpress
[09:49] <didrocks> hey hey Wimpress
[10:01] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson Wimpress
[10:39] <bittin> oSoMoN: installing the 85.0.1 package now, thanks for building it
[10:43] <bittin> having to old libc and locales etc
[10:48] <bittin> got it running via the snap however: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/85.0.1/snap/
[10:54] <bittin> so guess i have to wait until the dependices get updated too
[10:54] <bittin> *gets
[13:40] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, can intel-mediasdk be synced with Debian now? it seems you package a new version before them but now Debian is ahead? could you check and sync if there is no delta needed?
[14:22] <tjaalton> seb128: I see it's synced already?
[14:22] <tjaalton> which is fine
[14:22] <tjaalton> uh no
[14:22] <tjaalton> wrong package
[14:23] <tjaalton> synced
[14:24] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks!
[14:29] <tjaalton> I've uploaded xwayland to a ppa
[14:29] <tjaalton> it got branched this week
[14:29] <tjaalton> I'll test it a bit before uploading to the archive
[14:35] <seb128> \o/
[15:12] <seb128> hum
[15:12] <seb128> why did things started to fail build on gir error?
[15:12] <seb128> e.g https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygobject/3.38.0-2
[15:24] <seb128> due to the new glibc...
[15:25] <seb128> rbalint, as a fyi, the glibc 2.33 update breaks gobject-introspection builds
[15:25] <seb128> examples
[15:25] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcr/3.38.1-2
[15:26] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygobject/3.38.0-2
[15:31] <seb128>  ldd /home/ubuntu/gobject/gcr-3.38.1/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/tmp-introspectvbzlrqdz/Gck-1
[15:31] <seb128> 	not a dynamic executable
[15:31] <seb128> it works with 2.32
[15:42] <seb128> friday fun!
[16:07] <ginggs> seb128: thanks for all those fonts-* merges :)
[16:17] <Laney> \o\
[16:33] <seb128> ginggs, np!
[17:20] <Wimpress> https://twitter.com/m_wimpress/status/1357740045063630851
[17:44] <Laney> ♥
[18:18] <Beret> somehow one of my desktops ended up on the -oem kernel - how did that happen?
[18:20] <xnox> Beret:  what is the output of `ubuntu-drivers list-oem` ?
[18:20] <Beret> xnox, empty
[18:21] <xnox> weird.
[18:21] <Beret> this desktop is not new hardware
[18:21] <Beret> it's a years old NUC
[18:21] <xnox> Beret:  would be helpful to see `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` if that's how it was installed. or  like all the apt logs to see when it was installed....
[18:21] <xnox> Beret:  i wonder if you have anything else oemish installed, like oem-*-meta or like nvidia*oem*
[18:22] <xnox> aka dpkg -l | grep oem
[18:22] <xnox> and well purge it all, and install linux-generic-hwe-20.04 instead.
[18:22] <xnox> (the best kernel flavour ever)
[18:24] <Beret> that's what's weird
[18:24] <Beret> there is no meta package
[18:24] <Beret> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GNFdxN8DgV/
[18:24] <Beret> I can fix it but I'm honestly more concerned by how it happend unattended
[18:24] <Beret> and if it's happening to anyone else
[18:26] <xnox> and you didn't use like a focal daily with proposed enabled sometime around when 1018  abi was actually a thing, and we somehow built it with oem kernel in the squashfs and somehow didn't mark it for removal, hence it remained on disk..........
[18:27] <xnox> to find history, it would be useful to see all the apt logs & installer logs from /var/log/.
[18:27] <Beret> you test my memory beyond what it's capable of
[18:27] <Beret> I did all sorts of things with this machine some months back due to an intel graphics regression
[18:27] <xnox> that's one forensic way to find out when and why it may got installed, if it's mentioned there.
[18:27] <xnox> sudo grep linux-image-5.6.0-1018-oem  -r /var/log/ => would be interesting.
[18:28] <xnox> only oem-*-meta packages ever try to pull in and install oem kernel.
[18:28] <xnox> or oem archives, of which NUC will not have any....
[21:42] <Beret> xnox, btw, amazingly enough the only thing in the log was my recent removal
[23:21] <xnox> if it's not in the logs, it must have been installed with dpkg -i *.deb ?!


[11:09] <sabdfl> how do i use the arch-tag line at the top of a file?
[11:25] <lalo> sabdfl: first you have to obtain an unique id from arch, and I don't know how to do that
[11:25] <sabdfl> what's the line used for?
[11:27] <lalo> arch doesn't use the filenames to "index" its metadata; it use an unique id for each file
[11:27] <lalo> so that it can track renames and moves
[11:34] <sabdfl> that much i understood, so i am curious what the tag inside the file is used for
[11:34] <lalo> ah
[11:35] <lalo> there are two ways to associate an id with a file; either in a separate file (that's what "tla add foo" does) or as a tagline inside the file
[11:35] <lalo> if you're in a source tree, "ls .arch-ids" will show you the id files
[11:37] <sabdfl> so i can just not put the tagline into a file, and use tla add as usual?
[11:38] <sabdfl> i'm moving some of the soyuz objects from doap.py to a new soyuz.py
[11:38] <sabdfl> where do i need to register that new file and its classes?
[11:38] <lalo> if you put the tag you don't need to use tla add anymore - it's already added
[11:39] <lalo> personally I prefer to use separate files (arch calls that "explicit" ids) all the time, but I think that's a matter of taste
[11:40] <lalo> where is doap.py?
[11:40] <sabdfl> i also prefer the separate id's
[11:40] <sabdfl> lib/canonical/database
[11:40] <sabdfl> i found configure.zcml
[11:40] <sabdfl> is there anywhere else?
[11:41] <lalo> let me check
[11:43] <lalo> *possibly* pages.zcml and sql.zcml - you'd have to check case by case
[11:43] <lalo> (I mean class by class)
[11:43] <sabdfl> and do i need to import this new file (import soyuz) anywhere?
[11:43] <sabdfl> or does the configure.zcml take care of that?
[11:43] <lalo> no, zcml takes care of that
[11:53] <sabdfl> erm, and what's the pqm mailing address?
[11:53] <sabdfl> pqm@chinstrap?
[11:53] <lalo><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:53] <lalo> yes
[01:20] <SteveA> run uuidgen to make a new uid
[01:54] <sabdfl> hey steve
[01:55] <sabdfl> SteveA:
[01:55] <sabdfl> having fun now
[01:57] <daf> sabdfl: Dwayne has invited me to meet with him in London on Monday
[01:57] <sabdfl> daf: cool, come on over
[01:58] <daf> will do :)
[01:58] <sabdfl> daf: when are you planning to move your db access classes into lib/canonical/database/rosetta.py?
[01:59] <daf> sabdfl: I'll file a bug on that now
[02:00] <sabdfl> daf: i'm creating the base file
[02:00] <sabdfl> i'd like to clean things up a little
[02:01] <sabdfl> SteveA: when I send mail to arch-pqm it seems to be sending it as "mark@slinky" instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>any idea how to fix that?
[02:01] <daf> sabdfl: try adding an entry to /etc/email-addresses
[02:01] <dilys> New bug 2036 for Launchpad/Rosetta: Rosetta database classes should be moved to canonical.database.rosetta
[02:02] <sabdfl> daf: what sort of entry?
[02:02] <daf> sabdfl: does the file exist already?
[02:02] <sabdfl> nope
[02:03] <daf> hmm, maybe Postfix doesn't use it then
[02:03] <sabdfl> hmm... should I purge and reinstall postfix?
[02:03] <daf> I'd ask somebody who knows it better than I do first :)
[02:04] <daf> sabdfl: by the way, could you take a look at https://wiki.canonical.com/RosettaAlphaAnnouncement when you have the time?
[02:12] <sabdfl> daf: looks good
[02:13] <daf> sabdfl: groovy
[02:13] <sabdfl> i'd like the alpha to be at rosetta.shuttleworthfoundation.org
[02:13] <daf> instead of (rather than as well as) at rosetta.ubuntulinux.org?
[02:13] <sabdfl> want to delay the penny dropping at red hat hq
[02:13] <daf> right
[02:14] <sabdfl> daf: we'll open up rosetta.ubuntulinux.org as soon as we actually announce
[02:14] <daf> right
[02:14] <daf> do I need to change the announcement in any way?
[02:14] <sabdfl> but if it leaks, i'd like it to leak in a way that isn't immediately connected to ubuntu
[02:14] <daf> I think the only other change we'd need to make is to the DNS
[02:14] <daf> oh, and the Apache config would need tweaking
[02:15] <sabdfl> i'll get thomas onto it
[02:16] <sabdfl> (dns), apace will need tweaking by our admins@
[02:17] <daf> right
[02:30] <SteveA> do you have a file called /usr/bin/\[ in ubuntu?
[02:34] <spiv> SteveA: yes.
[02:36] <spiv> SteveA: it's part of coreutils, apparently.
[02:36] <spiv> There's even a man page for it...
[02:43] <daf> isn't it identical to /usr/bin/test
[02:43] <daf> ?
[03:37] <sabdfl> ok, how do i setup a new page under the /malone/?
[03:39] <sabdfl> i guess i need to understand the traversal logic
[03:39] <sabdfl> where is that enshrined?
[04:04] <SteveA> sabdfl: if you just want a new single page, then use a <page ... > directive.  See malone/pages.zcml
[04:06] <sabdfl> SteveA: i'm trying to fix /malone/sourcepackage/firefox/
[04:08] <SteveA> I can't chat -- being dragged out to do some shopping :-/   May be around a bit later
[04:10] <sabdfl> ok, chat then
[04:11] <sabdfl> anybody else around to help with traversal?
[04:28] <sabdfl> why do some interfaces just inherit from Interface, others from IAddFormCustomization?
[04:45] <sabdfl> -
[04:45] <sabdfl> -
[05:21] <stub> sabdfl: Create a file /etc/postfix/canonical containing just a line like 'mylocalusername<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:21] <stub> sabdfl: Then add the line 'canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical' to the end of /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:22] <sabdfl> stub: i think it's solved with an /etc/mailname of hbd.com
[05:22] <stub> sabdfl: Then run 'postmap /etc/postfix/canonical'
[05:22] <sabdfl> methinks we will need to tweak the postfix setup for Hoary to make this easier for users
[05:22] <stub> sabdfl: That would work too :-)
[05:23] <sabdfl> well, it only works because my local user is the same as my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:23] <stub> sabdfl: It would involve another installation question - 'what is your email address?'
[05:23] <sabdfl> i wonder if .mailrc or .muttrc can be set to override all that anyhow
[05:24] <sabdfl> glad you're back, i'm doing battle with zope3
[05:24] <stub> re: IAddFormCustomization - the Z3 form generation machinery requires some hooks to work. That interface defines them
[05:25] <sabdfl> and sqlobject
[05:25] <stub> sabdfl: no idea about .mailrc etc.
[05:25] <sabdfl> given the SourcepackageContainer glass
[05:25] <sabdfl> how do i fix the traversal to /sourcepackage/mozilla-firefox/?
[05:26] <sabdfl> i'll try to do a pqm merge quickly...
[05:27] <sabdfl> so back to SourcepackageContainer
[05:28] <sabdfl> currently, it seems to __getitem__ on the basis of a package name
[05:28] <sabdfl> leaving aside the thorny problem of multiple packages with the same name
[05:28] <sabdfl> the current select looks like this:
[05:29] <sabdfl> return self.table.select(self.table.q.name == name)[0]
[05:29] <sabdfl> where self.table = Sourcepackage
[05:29] <sabdfl> now, Sourcepackage has no name, just a sourcepackagename
[05:29] <sabdfl> so it seems what's required is a slightly smarter search
[05:30] <stub> The way I know to do that off the top of my head is to do sourcepackagename = SourcepackageName.select(SourcepackageName.q.name == name)
[05:31] <stub> Then return self.table.select(self.table.q.sourcepackagename == sourcepackagename)[0]
[05:31] <stub> (ie. two steps) There might be a more efficient way of doing it in SQLObject, but I'm not familiar with it.
[05:32] <stub> (SourcepackageName is defined in canonical.database.doap if it isn't already imported)
[05:33] <sabdfl> what's self.table.q?
[05:33] <sabdfl> i've moved the Sourcepackage / Binpackage etc objects from doap.py to a new soyuz.py
[05:34] <sabdfl> and will do the same for rosetta shortly
[05:35] <stub> sqlobject magic (or the sqlbuilder bit of it). self.table is a class (subclass of sqlobject). the 'q' stands for query - I don't know the technical reason the syntax needs to be like that. The expression generates a SQL where clause (in this case just 'name = "thesourcepackagename"').
[05:36] <stub> You can just stick a raw SQL clause in there if you like, but you have to ensure you currectly quote everything in that case.
[05:37] <stub> (so return self.table.select('sourcepackagename in (select id from sourcepackagename where name = %s)' % sqlrepr(name)) might work as a single query version
[08:51] <sabdfl> how do we pass the connection to an SQLObject?
[08:51] <sabdfl> i'm trying to set up a test harness where i can get quick access to one of our db objects at the python prompt
[09:02] <sabdfl> hmm... sqlobject 0.6 seems to have many fixes. are we close to merging that?
[09:02] <sabdfl> and sending our fixes upstream? he's calling for patches
[09:04] <spiv> sabdfl: https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2020
[09:05] <sabdfl> spiv: thanks
[09:05] <spiv> And to answer the earlier question, SourcePackage.select('Sourcepackage.sourcepackagename = SourcepackageName.id AND SourcepackageName.name = '%s'" % quote(name))
[09:06] <sabdfl> spiv: do you know how best to tell an SQLObject what connection to use?
[09:07] <spiv> It depends :)
[09:07] <spiv> For this case, I think passing it explicitly to as a keyword arg would do.
[09:08] <spiv> (i.e. Foo.select(..., connection=your_connection) )
[09:08] <spiv> Or possibly use SQLBase.initZopeless
[09:09] <sabdfl> where do i find SQLBase?
[09:10] <sabdfl> ah, got it
[09:12] <sabdfl> now how do i use it?
[09:13] <spiv> SQLBase.initZopeless(connectionForURI('postgres:///exampledb'))
[09:13] <spiv> https://wiki.canonical.com/SQLObjectGuide is fairly complete these days.
[09:14] <sabdfl> fsck, i've spent all evening banging on this, should have checked the wiki first, hey
[09:18] <daf> spiv: hmm, perhaps canonical.lp.initZopeless should be documented somewhere also
[09:19] <spiv> daf: Oh, right, good idea.
[09:19] <daf> spiv: also, you had some ideas about transactionality for standalone scripts
[09:20] <sabdfl> more fun and games
[09:20] <spiv> daf: Yeah, they're largely still ideas ;)
[09:20] <sabdfl> if i import sqlbase and use SQLBase.initZopeless, then try to import another module which also import sqlbase...
[09:20] <sabdfl> Traceback (most recent call last):
[09:20] <sabdfl>   File "harness.py", line 26, in ?
[09:20] <sabdfl>     from soyuz import *
[09:20] <sabdfl>   File "/home/mark/projects/ubuntu/code/launchpad/lib/canonical/database/soyuz.py", line 27, in ?
[09:20] <sabdfl>     from canonical.database.sqlbase import SQLBase, quote
[09:20] <sabdfl>   File "/home/mark/projects/ubuntu/code/launchpad/lib/canonical/database/sqlbase.py", line 7, in ?
[09:20] <sabdfl>     class SQLBase(SQLOS):
[09:20] <sabdfl>   File "/home/mark/projects/ubuntu/code/launchpad/lib/sqlobject/main.py", line 179, in __new__
[09:20] <sabdfl>     classregistry.registry(newClass._registry).addClass(newClass)
[09:20] <sabdfl>   File "/home/mark/projects/ubuntu/code/launchpad/lib/sqlobject/classregistry.py", line 69, in addClass
[09:20] <sabdfl>     raise ValueError("class %s is already in the registry"
[09:20] <sabdfl> ValueError: class SQLBase is already in the registry
[09:21] <spiv> sabdfl: !
[09:21] <daf> ewww
[09:21] <daf> haven't seen that before
[09:21] <sabdfl> so tell me about canonical.lp.initZopeless?
[09:21] <spiv> sabdfl: Somehow SQLObject thinks there's two classes with the name SQLBase, which is odd.
[09:21] <daf> sabdfl: that's a wrapper around SQLBase.initZopeless, which calls it with the host and dbname from canonical.lp
[09:22] <daf> sabdfl: to avoid us duplicating DB names in the code
[09:22] <spiv> (which defaults to launchpad_test)
[09:22] <daf> (and localhost)
[09:23] <spiv> sabdfl: Where's harness.py?
[09:23] <sabdfl> so i can just import canonical.lp and then run canonical.lp.initZopeless()?
[09:23] <daf> exactly
[09:23] <spiv> In canonical.database?  Ah, I see the problem, I think.
[09:23] <sabdfl> spiv: it's what i'm writing, it will setup a connection and have the objects ready then end
[09:23] <sabdfl> so you can do python -i harness.py
[09:23] <spiv> Change line 26 of harness.py to "from canonical.database.soyuz import *"
[09:24] <sabdfl> then immediately canonical.database.doap.Project.get(1)
[09:24] <spiv> Relative imports are bad :)
[09:24] <sabdfl> ok, so everything has to be "canonical.*"?
[09:25] <spiv> Yep, otherwise you can get situations where Python thinks 'sqlbase' and 'canonical.database.sqlbase' are two entirely differnt modules.
[09:25] <sabdfl> what's the correct python path setup?
[09:25] <sabdfl> ah, as we saw
[09:25] <spiv> Which seems to be what just bit you.
[09:26] <spiv> From the root of launchpad, PYTHONPATH=lib is what you want.
[09:28] <sabdfl> ok, it seems to be working, but i'll let someone else figure out the path stuff. phew, thanks
[09:31] <sabdfl> btw, i have a feeling that the 0.6 release fixes some of the problems with fields that end in "id"
[09:31] <sabdfl> man, sqlobject does weird things to you
[09:31] <sabdfl> sourcepackageName becomes sourcepackage_name arbitrarily
[09:31] <sabdfl> i see now there's method behind the madness, but it remains madness
[09:32] <spiv> That'd be nice.. and someone added a patch to sourceforge today to improve selectBy and foreign keys, so you can pass SQLOjbects, not just ids.  The implementation looks a bit dodgy, but hopefully it'll get fixed up and included.
[09:33] <spiv> Yeah, I don't like the default naming "style" much, and it's not completely overrideable.
[09:33] <spiv> I just always explictly set dbName and so on everywhere to avoid that.
[09:52] <sabdfl> any idea why vim keeps dropping to the next line when my line gets too long?
[09:55] <spiv> What does ":set tw?" report?  Perhaps try ":set tw=0", if I'm understanding what you mean?
[09:56] <spiv> (although if you're editing python, 80 columns is what our style guide says)
[09:56] <spiv> (er, I mean 78 :)
[10:13] <sabdfl> spiv: my tw=76
[10:14] <sabdfl> does that normally jump down a line when you are making a long one?
[10:14] <sabdfl> because the resulting code then does not parse in Python
[10:14] <sabdfl> even if it looks neater
[10:14] <sabdfl> daf: could you answer a traversal question for me?
[10:16] <daf> I'll try :)
[10:17] <daf> sabdfl: if you're having trouble with long lines, you have to either use () or \ to tell Python that a logical line is extended over more than one physical line
[10:19] <spiv> e.g. x = (foo, foo,
[10:19] <sabdfl> daf: so i need to let vim split the line, then put in a \?
[10:19] <spiv>          foo)
[10:19] <spiv> Python's happy with that.
[10:19] <daf> sabdfl: I prefer to put () rather than \
[10:19] <sabdfl> i haven't seen () used like that
[10:19] <daf> sabdfl: Python effectively ignores newlines inside parentheses
[10:20] <sabdfl> oh, that's sweetly inconsistent :-)
[10:20] <spiv> I'm having trouble of thinking of when I have written long lines that don't involve parens...
[10:20] <sabdfl> so here's the traversal question
[10:20] <sabdfl> hold on, there it isn't
[10:25] <sabdfl> hmmm... death by traceback :-)
[10:29] <dilys> New bug 2037 for Launchpad/Rosetta: main search form should search products as well as projects
[10:41] <sabdfl> whoop! managed to lose those tracebacks


[09:45] <astraljava> ScottL: Hi! Tried again to install maverick, this time installation stops at Select and install software -task. I could go on, except that I have mobile broadband, and I need gdm + NetworkManager to go online.
[09:47] <astraljava> ScottL: Now I only get console, so it's not enough for me.
[10:43] <jussi> astraljava: you need a 3g router :D
[14:17] <ScottL> astraljava, this weekend, if i do nothing else, i'm going to replace gnome-network-admin with network-manager
[14:18] <ScottL> since it doesn't look like we will get network-admin fixed and i talked this through with luke and daniel and they agreed it was a good idea
[15:06] <astraljava> jussi: Nah, I'm gonna get ADSL in a few months, so I'll cope with it.
[15:06] <astraljava> ScottL: I'm gonna do the same anyhow, as it's the only piece of sw that gets me connected.
[15:16] <ScottL> astraljava, i meant in ubuntustudio-seeds, this way all uses will have network capabilities directly on install :)
[15:16] <ScottL> since gnome-admin is broke and no one will fix it :(
[15:16] <ScottL> i tried but am unable
[15:52] <astraljava> ScottL: Alright, I can give it a shot now. Where did you leave off?
[16:10] <falktx> it is decided which kernel will be used by default in 10.10 ?
[16:10] <falktx> generic, preempt, lowlatency or realtime ?
[16:53] <ScottL> falktx, i don't know, there was some talk with some of the kernel team yesterday and they mentioned the -rt kernel possibly being included
[16:54] <ScottL> but it looks like the -preempt and -lowlatency might not be included anymore
[16:54] <falktx> ScottL: 2.6.31-rt or 2.6.33-rt ?
[16:54] <ScottL> from what i can tell, the UKT are looking to abogani to maintain the -rt kernel and feel that -preempt and -lowlatency is redundant
[16:55] <ScottL> falktx, i don't know, i need to catch abogani when he's on and ask him more specifics, i hope 2.6.33-rt :)
[16:55] <falktx> lowlatency is a little better than generic
[16:55] <falktx> i would prefer 2.6.35-rt hehe
[16:56] <ScottL> i worry about laptops as well, -generic might not be enough for latency and -rt might eat their battery
[16:56] <falktx> the kernels 2.6-32->34 don't work well on my pc
[16:56] <falktx> ScottL: i have a laptop
[16:56] <ScottL> falktx, i would expect the -rt kernel will align with the -generic kernel release version
[16:57] <JFo> so 2.6.35.y
[16:57] <JFo> for Maverick
[16:57] <falktx> that would be cool
[16:57] <falktx> I read somewhere the rt guys were on vacation
[16:58] <falktx> afaik, 2.6.35 is suppose to have rt patch
[16:58] <ScottL> i think i heard abogani mention that as well
[16:58] <ScottL> falktx, do you mean upstream -rt guys?   molnar or whoever is handling the patch now?
[16:58] <falktx> ScottL: yes
[20:39] <ScottL> hi persia, how are you?
[23:59] <stochastic> hola


[01:40] <Sarvatt> sure, pass it along RAOF :)
[02:03] <RAOF> Sarvatt: It's in xorg-edgers.  Seems to work for me, but my nv40 cards have ceased to be an interesting test :)
[02:07] <Sarvatt> would be nice to know why we have to remove quiet from the boot line on nouveau :D
[02:07] <RAOF> Note: that definition of "we" does not include me :)
[02:08] <RAOF> That particular strangeness got fixed somewhere in the last weeks for me; probably it was mad framebuffer related craziness.
[02:08] <Sarvatt> oh? must be nice!
[02:08] <Sarvatt> maybe if i blacklist vga16fb, still havent done that on that machine
[02:09] <RAOF> I think the -9 kernel fixed stuff, too.  Maybe.
[02:09] <Sarvatt> removed my firmware files, upgrading now
[02:22] <Sarvatt> got a ton of dmesg spam for 5 seconds about 20 seconds in but seems to be working ok, firmwares there and got loaded
[02:27] <RAOF> Superlative.
[12:11]  * Ng sulks. I was copying a bunch of data to a USB disk and it took out X
[12:36] <mac_v> Ng: karmic?
[12:56] <hyperair> took out meaning X lagged like hell or something else?
[12:57] <hyperair> imo we've got some big issues with IO and interactivity
[13:11]  * mac_v had somewhat similar X crashes when system was doing heavy read/write operations... but using lucid kernel 32.* solved it ..
[13:11] <mac_v> x restarts*
[13:35] <Ng> mac_v: lucid. looks like the kernel oopsed becuse of something relating to the USB disk and the xlog suggests it then segfaulted, but I could still see it, which was a bit odd. ssh'd in and rebooted
[13:46] <hyperair> hmm  i wouldn't know, i didn't use .31 for long. had a great number of ext4 issues
[13:50] <Ng> (I couldn't interact with it in any way though, so I can well believe that X had died and the framebuffer just stayed as it was)
[13:51] <Ng> quite annoying though, I bought the USB disk so I'd be able to take regular rdiff-backup snapshots of my laptop while I'm running lucid on it ;)
[16:01] <tjaalton> tseliot1: I noticed you updated the halsectomy-spec. there's no working wacom driver atm, so you sed evdev which doesn't work properly with it
[16:02] <tseliot1> tjaalton: yes, I also tried to contact pitti and you but I was disconnected from IRC
[16:02] <tseliot1> tjaalton: aah, it's evdev then
[16:06] <tjaalton> there will be a new xf86-input-wacom RSN, and I hope ron finds it good enough to package for experimental
[16:07] <tseliot1> tjaalton: well, I think it would be better than using evdev anyway
[16:08] <tjaalton> I tried to find an intuos4 M/L, but they were out of stock..
[16:08] <tjaalton> tseliot1: it sure would
[16:09] <tseliot1> tjaalton: (just FYI) this is the only change that I would need to apply to X in order to get the alternatives system to work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/345406/
[16:10] <tseliot1> I don't even have to touch mesa
[16:22] <tjaalton> tseliot1: do libdri/libglx need to be moved to another path for it to work?
[16:23] <tseliot1> tjaalton: they live in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/ and, when you use open drivers, you will have links to them in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/
[16:24] <tseliot1> in the case of nvidia you use libdri.so from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/standard/ and libglx.so from /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so
[16:25] <tseliot1> then a simple update-alternatives --set gl_conf $master link and you can switch between them
[16:26] <tseliot1> where $master_link is /etc/standard-x11/standard.conf in the case of X11 and open drivers
[16:26] <tseliot1> therefore, in order to switch to open drivers (the default):
[16:26] <tseliot1> update-alternatives --set gl_conf /etc/standard-x11/standard.conf
[16:26] <tseliot1> while, for example, for nvidia-current:
[16:27] <tseliot1> update-alternatives --set gl_conf /etc/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[16:27] <tseliot1> of course jockey will deal with this
[16:28] <tseliot1> oh and of course "ldconfig" is required after these commands
[16:29] <tjaalton> ok
[16:30] <tjaalton> why not just installlibdri/glx directly to the correct path instead of moving them around?
[16:31] <tjaalton> and if the confs aren't meant to be admin-configurable, shouldn't them be under /usr somewhere?
[16:31] <tjaalton> *they
[16:33] <tseliot1> tjaalton: update-alternatives doesn't create links if the file already exists
[16:34] <tseliot1> tjaalton: what do you mean by admin-configurable? You can do it manually if you want
[16:34] <tseliot1> i.e. install the packages, update alternatives, set the driver in xorg.conf and reboot
[16:35] <tjaalton> I mean the file content probably will never change
[16:35] <tseliot1> tjaalton: what file?
[16:35] <tjaalton> and cleaning conffiles from /etc is more troublesome
[16:36] <jcristau> /etc/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf < that file
[16:36] <tseliot1> aah
[16:36] <tseliot1> those files are not a problem unless something links to them
[16:37] <tseliot1> and when you uninstall the packages the alternative is removed and so are the links
[16:37] <jcristau> but the file isn't
[16:38] <tseliot1> why not?
[16:38] <jcristau> because conffiles aren't removed on package removal
[16:38] <jcristau> they're removed on purge, except when they become obsolete and you forget about them
[16:38] <tjaalton> exactly :)
[16:39] <tseliot1> aah, now I see your point
[16:39] <jcristau> so for something that's not supposed to be configurable, installing it in /etc leads to pain down the road
[16:39] <jcristau> or cruft, or whatever
[16:40] <tseliot1> I can either make the postrm deal with that or simply install them in /usr/...
[16:41] <tseliot1> I remove the alternative in the postrm, therefore I think it's better if I remove the file there
[16:42] <tjaalton> better in /usr, otherwise it would also "pollute" the namespace in /etc
[16:42] <jcristau> you should remove the alternative in prerm
[16:43] <tseliot1> that would be a solution too
[16:43] <tseliot1> good idea
[16:46] <tseliot1> shall I use /usr/share/nvidia-current etc, or /usr/lib/nvidia-current (that I already use). The former makes more sense to me
[16:46] <jcristau> lib imo
[16:47] <tseliot1> right, after all is an ld.so.conf file, which is relevant to that directory
[16:52] <tseliot1> also, is there a point in adding a prerm.in instead of a prerm in X?
[16:52] <tseliot1> it's not a template
[16:55] <tseliot1> oh, there's the #INCLUDE_SHELL_LIB# thing
[16:55] <jcristau> prerm gets removed by xsfclean
[16:55] <tseliot1> ok, I'll use a .in file
[16:55] <tseliot1> that's why I asked
[17:01] <tseliot1> jcristau: are templates (i.e. .in files) automatically detected?
[17:03] <tseliot1> or shall I add the prerm.in file somewhere?
[17:07] <jcristau> see the genscripts rule in xsfbs.mk
[17:13] <tseliot1> ah, nice, thanks
[17:27] <tseliot1> jcristau, tjaalton: better? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/345439/
[17:28] <jcristau> not sure what the point of /usr/lib/standard-x11/standard.conf
[17:28] <jcristau> is
[17:29] <jcristau> oh. default alternative.  /dev/null would work as well :)
[17:30] <tseliot1> it's an empty file since we're going to use the libraries that come with X/mesa
[17:30] <tseliot1> e.g. libGL.*.so, etc.
[17:31] <tseliot1> while fglrx and nvidia use their own libraries
[17:31] <tseliot1> and yes, that's for alternatives, as you said
[18:02] <superm1> tseliot1, rather than relying on jockey to update the alternatives, why not do it right in the postinst?
[18:02] <superm1> the less custom work that jockey has to do, the better (imo)
[18:04] <jcristau> i guess because alternatives have static priorities, which can't take into account the actual hardware on the machine, so can't decide between nvidia-current or nvidia-last-year or fglrx-current or fglrx-legacy, or or..
[18:10] <superm1> well if you run update alternatives and they do have static priorities, then that will be a no-op
[18:10] <superm1> eg current should always be newer than last year which should always be newer than last-last-year
[18:10] <superm1> but if you run jockey it can override such priorities?
[18:12] <jcristau> what will be a no-op?  if you have multiple nvidia driver packages for different generations of chips which one gets higher priority?
[18:12] <tjaalton> or fglrx over nvidia?
[18:14] <tjaalton> that's why I didn't think alternatives would work, but making the user choose via jockey is the only way
[18:18] <jcristau> tseliot1: maintainer scripts have update-alternatives in $PATH no need to use the full path
[18:22] <jcristau> also no need to use $(CURDIR) when you don't need an absolute path
[18:22] <jcristau> and echo \n is not portable :)
[18:26] <superm1> if they all need to have the same priority set, then maybe a debconf to select among the priorities
[18:26] <superm1> *debconf question
[18:33] <jcristau> tjaalton: not sure if you saw, the testsuite failure on sparc/ppc should be fixed in master now
[18:41] <tjaalton> jcristau: ah, good. didn't see that
[18:42] <tjaalton> superm1: that just moves the question to a different layer
[18:42] <superm1> tjaalton, but then you can interactively ask
[18:43] <superm1> if there is only one option available, then you wouldnt have to, but if there are a few, then you can present them to the user
[18:43] <tjaalton> superm1: if you only have one blob installed manually, it'll have a higher priority than the default
[18:44] <tjaalton> so no need to ask anything there
[18:44] <superm1> right, and then if you have two blobs, then you ask the question
[18:45] <tjaalton> well there should be a way to not ask it if the choice is already made by jockey
[18:46] <tjaalton> or rather, by using jockey
[18:46] <superm1> jockey uses debconf noninteractively currently
[18:46] <superm1> so it would have to preset that value
[18:47] <superm1> this can just be for a second iteration of changes though, because it will require work on the jockey end that may be non-trivial
[18:52] <tjaalton> sure
[19:14]  * bryce_ waves
[19:36] <tseliot1> superm1: priorities work when in automatic mode
[19:36] <tseliot1> in jockey I would switch to manual mode by using update-alternatives --set
[19:37] <tseliot1> do we really want to use debconf for this?
[19:37] <tseliot1> hey bryce_
[19:42] <tseliot1> jcristau: ah, thanks, I'll just use update-alternatives without the full path then
[19:45] <bryce_> heya tseliot1


[21:19] <poningru> halp
[21:19] <poningru> if I want to name a page
[21:20] <poningru> that has iSCSI in the name
[21:20] <poningru> how should I name it?
[21:20] <poningru> in the wiki I mean
[21:20] <poningru> halp
[21:21] <sommer> why wouldn't iSCSI work?
[21:21] <sommer> what's the whole title you're thinking of?
[21:26] <poningru> you know CamelCase
[21:26] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportIScsi
[21:26] <poningru> I dont know how to do it!!!
[21:26] <poningru> err sorry for the exclamation
[21:26] <poningru> MainInclusionReportiSCSI
[21:26] <poningru> is that ok??
[21:27] <sommer> poningru: MainInclusionReportiSCSI looks good to me
[21:27] <sommer> striclty speaking MoinMoin links don't have to be camel case
[21:28] <sommer> you'll just need to do ["MainInclusionReportiSCSI"] when linking from another article.
[21:28] <sommer> but I'll bet MainInclusionReportiSCSI works fine... I don't think it will notice that lower case "i".
[21:29] <sommer> also I think title searchs are case insensitive
[21:35] <poningru> ok sweet


[21:52] <CarlFK> is there a ubuntu fork/clone/whatever of https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/blob/master/build/config/x86.cfg#L113-115
[21:53] <CarlFK> I want to add 3 more mcopy lines to support uefi: https://salsa.debian.org/carlfk-guest/ansible/blob/uefiusb/usbinst/uefi/fix_hdmedia.sh#L9-11


[12:26] <guest4235> Hello everybody. I am building the kernel according to this instruction https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel, on Ubuntu 20.04
[12:26] <guest4235> `5.4.0-149-generic #166 SMP`, and I have the following trouble:
[12:26] <guest4235> After the first build, while executing `LANG=C fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic` the error occurs:
[12:26] <guest4235> ```
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Entering directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys/lua'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Nothing to be done for 'all'.
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Leaving directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys/lua'
[12:26] <guest4235> Making all in sysevent
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Entering directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys/sysevent'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Nothing to be done for 'all'.
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Leaving directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys/sysevent'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Entering directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Nothing to be done for 'all-am'.
[12:26] <guest4235> make[5]: Leaving directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[4]: Leaving directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include/sys'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[4]: Entering directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include'
[12:26] <guest4235> make[4]: Nothing to be done for 'all-am'.
[12:26] <guest4235> make[4]: Leaving directory '<<DKMSDIR>>/build/zfs/0.8.3/build/include'
[21:50] <mamarley> Hi, I have a script that rebuilds the mainline kernels with some configuration modifications.  It does this by pulling the "cod/mainline/$VERSION" tags from https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel-test/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/mainline-crack.  However, it looks like "cod/mainline/v6.4-rc4" never showed up today even though the kernel was successfully built.  Is this just a temporary problem or should I be looking in a different place for those
[21:50] <mamarley> tags?


[07:04] <vadre> "yuuuu must become an island"
[07:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: No, this is also a support channel, and I'm not accusing you of anything. I just explained to you that realtime kernels are unsupported in Ubuntu due to the security implications.
[07:07] <vadre> hence why I asked for unofficial support channels
[07:08] <vadre> Eickmeyer[m]: with ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS is it the same as ubuntustudio by installing an addon package set?
[07:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: I'm afraid I cannot help you there.
[07:09] <vadre> I have ubuntu LTS current downloaded
[07:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-backports | vadre
[07:09] <vadre> It looks like I need to build my own kernel
[07:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: Though, at this point, using 19.10 and upgrading to 20.04 LTS is a smaller step for continued LTS support.
[07:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: Why isn't lowlatency "good enough" for you?
[07:10] <vadre> Eickmeyer[m]: how does the software compare with old versions of ubuntustudio does it have everything needed for advanced audio engineering?
[07:10] <vadre> And even DV editing
[07:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: Of course it does.
[07:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm an audio engineer for 25+ years.
[07:11] <vadre> Eickmeyer[m]: 25+ years wow, have you used other software?
[07:12] <vadre> knoppix has an interesting release where it only supports digital audio
[07:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've used lots of other software.
[07:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> I never used knoppix for that.
[07:13] <vadre> what software do you suggest I need for audio engineering
[07:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Though, that's starting to get off-topic in here.
[07:13] <vadre> do I need ubuntustudio
[07:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ardour is amazing for audio engineering. What type of engineering are you looking into?
[07:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm mostly a live production guy myself.
[07:14] <vadre> making voices - engineering audio, then maybe get into music
[07:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, then Ardour should be perfect. It's included by default. We include over 100 VST/LV2 plugins by default. Also, we have a patchbay/plugin host called "Carla" that's included.
[07:15] <vadre> nuance type language audio
[07:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ohhh... making audio voices. I'm not too familiar with that.
[07:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> I was thinking mixing vocal tracks, etc. Musician stuff.
[07:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> There's gotta be a synth out there somewhere though.
[07:16] <vadre> close to vocal tracks, but I am more interested in voice recognition command interfaces
[07:16] <vadre> military type use
[07:17] <vadre> and audio monitoring for security
[07:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm sure there's some out there, but I'm not sure we include anything. Either way, it's free, and you're welcome to have a look.
[07:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> We have so much that sometimes I lose track. hehe
[07:17] <vadre> music is more difficult I gather because it has to do with taste and rythm and melody all that music involves
[07:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I'm not sure, but yeah, working with different instruments on the frequency spectrum can be difficult. I'm a live production engineer primarily, so a lot of what I do is "on-the-fly" and has little room for error.
[07:19] <vadre> can you create a full orchestra from nothing using ubuntustudio?
[07:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sure, there's a ton of synthesizer plugins.
[07:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nothing I've ever done, but I know others have.
[07:19] <vadre> I was recommended to use steinbergs cubase at some time and 32bit waveforms
[07:20] <vadre> I guess that is a windows only software
[07:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, cubase is Windows only. We have LMMS and qtractor that might be similar.
[07:20] <vadre> I don't see much advantage in using anything but wav which is the windows supported file
[07:21] <vadre> cyborgs might like apple audio
[07:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Check these guys out: https://www.lorenzosmusic.com/ They made their entire album, website, logo, podcast, videos, and album using Ubuntu Studio.
[07:21] <vadre> what is it called?
[07:21] <vadre> aifc
[07:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> aiff I think.
[07:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Wav is 100% supported in Ubuntu.
[07:22] <vadre> openwav or both?
[07:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Both.
[07:23] <vadre> wav for me but cyborgs might like direct aiff
[07:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Maybe. I don't know much about that.
[07:24] <vadre> don't know much about caring for brains
[07:25] <vadre> put some music in there
[07:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, this is starting to get a bit off-topic.
[07:26] <vadre> how to show the detailed info about what the sound chip is capable of specificly what sort or raw io it produces
[07:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> And now you've gone over my head. I'd suggest asking someone in #lad (Linux Audio Developers).
[07:29] <vadre> hmm, ok
[07:36] <vadre> Eickmeyer[m]: how about lorenzos music video was that created with ubuntu studio?
[07:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: Sure was.
[07:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> vadre: The members of the band live apart from each other, so they even used git to source/version their tracks
[07:41]  * Eickmeyer[m] heads to bed
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think "VADRE" is a bot...
[18:18] <OvenWerks> off topic posts in a few places.
[18:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: More like a troll when going off topic.
[18:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Follows the same pattern as someone we once had in the past.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> The posts in #lad by the same user were very robot like. As if it was "looking up" tings to respond with and not doing a very good job.
[18:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Might be using a bot on the same account for AFK\
[21:15] <zmagii> sup guys
[21:15] <zmagii> is there a way to launch 4 terminal windows tiles by default (when I launch terminal)?
[21:35] <OvenWerks> zmagii: yes, create a bash/sh script that does that and attach a *.desktop file to that.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> zmagii: then set that desktop file as the prefered terminal in settings


[16:18] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/466/files reviewed. minor docstring/typing nit leaving as approved so you can make a call on whether it's needed or not .
[16:32] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Thanks; addressed and replied, though I didn't follow exactly your request so please take a look and LMK if you're +1. :)
[16:34] <blackboxsw> d'oh forgot about typing dependency
[16:36] <blackboxsw> approved
[16:46] <AnhVoMSFT> was there a status meeting today?
[16:52] <blackboxsw> AnhVoMSFT: ahh it is today. thank you. forgot it was Tuesday
[16:52] <AnhVoMSFT> no worries - maybe we skip this week and have a mega one the next time :)
[16:52] <blackboxsw> #startmeeting cloud-init status meeting
[16:52] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 14 16:52:35 2020 UTC.  The chair is blackboxsw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:52] <AnhVoMSFT> nvm
[16:52] <blackboxsw> heh.
[16:52] <blackboxsw> let's do it since we have an active attendee.
[16:53] <blackboxsw> i'll make it snappy today
[16:53] <AnhVoMSFT> sounds good
[16:53] <blackboxsw> community notice: time for another bi-weekly (or semi-monthly if you prefer) cloud-init community status meeting
[16:53] <blackboxsw> #chair rharper Odd_Bloke smoser
[16:53] <meetingology> Current chairs: Odd_Bloke blackboxsw rharper smoser
[16:53] <blackboxsw> welcome to another round of cloud-init upstream updates and discussion. We use this meeting as a time to gather to discuss current development of cloud-init, ask and answer questions, and generally expedite development be unblocking devs. All questions. side-conversations and interruptions are welcome
[16:54] <blackboxsw> first order of bizzzznesss. setting the meeting for next time
[16:54] <blackboxsw> +2 weeks from today
[16:54] <blackboxsw> July 28th same time (minus 30 mins)
[16:55] <blackboxsw> previous meeting minutes are here:
[16:55] <blackboxsw> #link https://cloud-init.github.io/status-2020-06-30.html#status-2020-06-30
[16:55] <blackboxsw> The topics we'll cover today: Previous Actions, Recent Changes, In-progress Development, Community Charter, Office Hours (~30 mins).
[16:55] <blackboxsw> #topic Previous Actions
[16:56] <blackboxsw> none seen last session. so we can jump to the next topic
[16:56] <blackboxsw> #topic Recent Changes
[16:56] <blackboxsw> The following commits have been landed on master of upstream branch since last meeting: found via git log --since 2020-06-30
[16:57] <blackboxsw> #link https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6Fn5jy8t46/
[16:58] <blackboxsw> a bit of cleanup and test coverage work and CI fixups for lxd integratin testing in those commits.
[16:58] <blackboxsw> Of note:
[16:59] <blackboxsw> a fix for (LP: #1456277) thx lucas
[16:59] <blackboxsw> a fix for (LP: #1884619) part of the cloudinit.net refactor for thx Odd_Bloke
[16:59] <blackboxsw> and (LP: #1886531)  fix for missing /etc/fstab file path thx rharper
[17:00] <blackboxsw> and thanks paride for fixing our CI tests for lxd-based targets
[17:01] <blackboxsw> I think that about wraps recent-changes.
[17:01] <blackboxsw> #topic  In-progress Development
[17:02] <blackboxsw> I was hoping today we'd be able to finally say cloud-init 20.2 has published and released to Ubuntu Xenial. Bionic, Eoan and Focal. All testing is complete, we have unblocked any of this process on our side and we are awaiting an SRU team representative to review and release the bits into Ubuntu proper.
[17:03] <blackboxsw> We pinged yesterday and a few hour ago again to get this SRU reviewed and released. Expectation is that it will be released to all Ubuntu series today/tonight, so I'd expect that cloud images see that update in the next day or two.
[17:04] <blackboxsw> for those watching at home, the folowing bug will be closed as fix-released once cloud-init SRU is published.
[17:04] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1881018
[17:06] <blackboxsw> for context, this was a beast of an SRU (as upstream waited too long (~6 months) between to get the SRUs, which involved more verification and complexity. We will make sure to avoid some of this complexity in the future by more frequent SRUs and more requests for community validation I expect.
[17:07] <blackboxsw> Also, expect that when this SRU is published, and email will be sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and a discourse post as well as a "community-notice:"  banned comment
[17:08] <blackboxsw> #topic Community Charter
[17:08] <blackboxsw> Community driven development  is what helps keep cloud-init active, so that you all for your contributions ( PR reviews, bugs, PR development, discussion etc).
[17:09] <blackboxsw> we have a number of general goals we continue to work toward:
[17:10] <blackboxsw>  - json schema coverage of cloudinit.config.cc_* modules for better error reporting on malformed user-data
[17:10] <blackboxsw> - datasource documentation updates and content creation needs
[17:10] <blackboxsw> - cloudinit.net refactor into distro-specific networking subclasses cloudinit.distros.networking
[17:11] <blackboxsw> Bugs associated with that work are available for anyone to own
[17:11] <blackboxsw> #link k https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/?field.tag=bitesize
[17:11] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bugs?field.tag=net-refactor
[17:11] <blackboxsw> And details docs on existing refactor are available here
[17:12] <blackboxsw> #link https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/hacking.html#ongoing-refactors
[17:13] <blackboxsw> If anyone would like to be involved more than they currently are, please feel free to contact us here in IRC #cloud-init on Freenode or on the mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and we can see how best we can get you "set up"
[17:13] <blackboxsw> #topic Office Hours (next ~30 mins)
[17:13] <blackboxsw> This 'section' of the meeting is a time where a couple of upstream devs will be available in channel for any discussions, questions, bug work or PR reviews.
[17:14] <blackboxsw> any topics, bugs, PRs or concerns or rotten fruit to throw are all welcome :). In the absence of dicussion, cloud-init PR reviews are prioritized
[17:18] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: can I merge the following as your squashmerge commit message for PR https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/466      https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZRdq4bYWG7/    I think it fixed LP: #1884626
[17:31] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: You cannot (because I just did ;).
[17:31] <blackboxsw> :sad trombone:
[17:43] <Odd_Bloke> I just reran the RTD doc build and it passed this time (for anyone else who just got that failure email).
[17:50] <blackboxsw> Ok I think that about wraps the status meeting
[17:50] <blackboxsw> thanks for tuning in folks
[17:50] <blackboxsw> #endmeeting
[17:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 17:50:44 2020 UTC.
[17:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/cloud-init/2020/cloud-init.2020-07-14-16.52.moin.txt
[18:02] <blackboxsw> minute reposted https://cloud-init.github.io/status-2020-07-14.html#status-2020-07-14
[20:02] <Odd_Bloke> otubo: FYI, I'm planning on getting back to your PRs over the next couple of days; I'm still working through a backlog from some days off last week.


 Holy crap
 It was an excellent night
 I printed it in Wood
 Nice
 Did you find the model online?
 Yes, had to do a few small tweaks to get it to print properly but not a hard print at all
 Just wondering about other designs
 There is no shortage
 @ahoneybun - find any locations?
 not really tbh
 most would be very busy on Sat
 I did not get to spend as much time as I had hoped either
 @KMyers what do you think about that Uno Pizza place in Orlanod?
 *Orlando
 @ahoneybun, I like it
 @AdamOutler @itnet7 @RazPi @Ivoriesablaze @Abrerr @AbMind @govatent can we get confirmation about you going to the release party?
 we need numbers
 What's the date selected
 Nov 5
 Sat
 I'm looking at Uno Pizza in Orlando
 @mhall119  also
 need numbers to reserve a spot
 I'm a maybe. Won't know till last minute
 mm
 I want to say yes
 I know
 I'm leaning towards going. I don't think anything will stop it.
 Count me in. I can't afford a hotel or anything. I may go and drive back the same night.
 a few of us could split one
 if need be
 I'm in for sure
 @govatent , I have a free night with hotels.com I can blow
 Before I do that, I'm gonna see if I know anyone in Orlando i could stay for free
 But I'm in for sure.
 @govatent, You are more than welcome to ride up with us and bunk with us.
 yep we have 2 cars willing to go
 Cool. I'll decide on the car pool. All depends on work and if I need to be in town before Monday morning
 We will be back on Sunday Afternoon
 I think I can, just need a time and place
 Nice @Abrerr
 @ahoneybun there are two UNO's in Kissimmee within a few miles of each other, so be sure to specify which
 the one on I4
 Crossroads of Lake Buena Vista, 12553 FL-535, Orlando, FL 32836
 that's the one we went to during FOSSETCON
 what in the world
 Owls
 that's crazy
 and someone compared Unity 8 to No Man's Sky lol
 "I'd rather have it delayed than have a No Man's Sky release"
 You know I'm in
 just checking
 Sweet. So it seems like a solid plan for the weekend.
 @ahoneybun If it's November 5, I am pretty sure I'll be able to make it. I might bring my wife if she want's to come
 that was the best date that worked for the most people
 Sounds good to me
 so the place is good then?
 if so I'm going to call to reserve for 10 just to be safe
 I think it's fine
 what time? Say 5pm?
 @KMyers
 Do you want to add it to the meetup page, and we can let people RSVP, and increase the number if we have to?
 @itnet7 we need to call the place and reserve first no?
 I think you should call and reserve 10 like you were going to
 yea before the meetup page is up
 Right
 if you want to start making that page and I'll confirm
 Okay, which Uno's did you have the address handy, or is it the one that we  all walked to from Fossetcon?
 Crossroads of Lake Buena Vista, 12553 FL-535, Orlando, FL 32836
 I think that is the one we went to
 I'll create it shortly apparently there's a lizard crisis in my Bathroom
 Alright all good
 @AdamOutler or @itnet7 should we expect your kids? they asked but I said no for now
 was not sure about it then
 but Nov 5 5PM
 @ahoneybun no, I do think that once others see the page they'll want to join us though
 https://www.meetup.com/ubuntufl/events/235228483/
 anything you want to add?
 I changed it a little, can you check it out and if you think it's good announce it?
 tons better
 thanks
 No worries
 so meetup did change it that we can plan them without locations right away