[06:10] <fabbione> morning
[11:56] <infinity> Grr.
[11:56] <infinity> fabbione : DO you really need to drive davis's load up to 140, leaving no headroom for me to do simple things like "ls"?
[11:56] <zul> ahahaa
[11:57] <infinity> (Seriously, it just took about 20 seconds for "ls" to return on a directory with 3 files)
[11:59] <fabbione> infinity: ops.. i tought i was alone
[11:59] <fabbione> there.. only 50 :)
[12:00] <infinity> How thoughtful of you. :P
[12:00] <fabbione> infinity: i am only doing disk I/O
[12:00] <fabbione> and not even that much
[12:00] <fabbione> the CPU's are almost free
[01:48] <doko> elmo: please sync gcc-3.3 from unstable
[01:53] <elmo> done
[03:20] <doko> lamont: please see gcc-defaults-1.24 in my home on chinstrap.
[04:59] <fabbione> doko: or from incoming? :)
[05:00] <doko> yep, hppa specific
[05:00] <fabbione> eheh
[05:05] <doko> elmo: please sync java-gcj-compat from unstable


[01:53] <c2tarun> Hi friends, I have a problem with default notes app. When I restart my laptop all my desktop stops sticky notes are rearranged to the center of the screen overlapped by one another. Is there any way to fix this?
[06:33] <warsong> hi all
[06:33] <warsong> is that a gui to check and fix bad sectors
[06:35] <map> hmm
[06:35] <map> could u not use fsck
[06:37] <warsong> its my understand fsck dose not do a surface scan
[06:37] <map> oh
[07:09] <warsong> how to liniux handle bad sectors? any on know
[08:06] <Noskcaj> warsong, #ubuntu is probably a better place to ask
[08:17] <xubuntu452> Hello Sir
[08:18] <gry> Hi.
[08:18] <xubuntu452> I want help about ubuntu antivirus and firewall support
[08:18] <xubuntu452> Ubuntu is the Greate Operating System but there is something is missing
[08:19] <xubuntu452> it is antivirus and firewall support
[08:19] <xubuntu452> because business man people want max security
[08:20] <xubuntu452> any soloution?
[08:20] <xubuntu452> like Vipre antivirus and macfee internet security and pc cline
[08:21] <Unit193> iptables/ufw is pretty much the firewall, and linux generally doesn't really get viruses, so antivirus is generally used on mailservers or when networked in a windows env.
[08:21] <Unit193> !antivirus
[12:32] <SuperEngineer> hi folks.  Thinking of replacing ubuntu with xubuntu on old acer netbook - can I use ubuntu-one in xubuntu [12.04.3] ?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> SuperEngineer, of course
[12:38] <SuperEngineer> cfhowlett: many thanks for the reassuraance - cheers
[12:39] <cfhowlett> SuperEngineer, be safe, have fun
[12:40]  * SuperEngineer installs xubuntu on netbook
[13:48] <xubuntu512> hi
[13:48] <xubuntu512> Hi have a question about flash player
[13:49] <xubuntu512> what I have to install to make flash work on my computer ?
[13:49] <bekks> !flash | xubuntu512
[13:49] <xubuntu512> so gnash ?
[13:50] <bekks> No. Read that link please.
[13:50] <xubuntu512> cause I am reinstalling a computer now with xubuntu 12.04
[13:50] <xubuntu512> okay
[13:51] <xubuntu512> Previously I've installed a kubuntu, all browsers crash when I want to see a video from youtube
[13:52] <xubuntu512> Idk if the grafic card can cause this pb ?
[13:52] <xubuntu512> :/
[14:32] <daniel__> re
[14:32] <daniel__> bekks, I've just install the restricted formats
[14:32] <daniel__> Flash don't work and notification center said smth
[14:33] <daniel__> when i want to visite youtube
[14:34] <daniel__> the /uplugin-container crashed with SIGILL
[14:39] <daniel__> k thx
[15:26] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - now that was unexpected: installing xubuntu on old Acer netbook & I think think it just installed grub onto the SD card... could be good [security] or could be bad [not recognised] - about to find out
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> ho hum, what a surprise - it went straight for the hard disk... time to put boot repair cd in external drive
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> good ol' Boot-Repair-Disk... luvit
[16:49] <SuperEngineer> errrmmm... having installed xubuntu, & having installed ubuntu1 on it - how the heck am I supposed to find it... it's not showing anywhere!
[16:51] <bazhang> login window
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> got it! - installed gnome-do & let it find it!  now u1 claims to be "installing"
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> bazhang: I would have done that if it was there ;)
[16:52] <bazhang> ubuntu-one you mean? ?
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> yup
[16:53] <bazhang> I mistook that for ubuntu
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> I'll let you off - this time ;)
[16:54]  * SuperEngineer sniggers
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> but thanks anyway
[17:14] <largi> hello
[17:14] <largi> I have problems
[17:14] <largi> Xubuntu .
[17:18] <SuperEngineer> largi: /ask
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> largi: !sk
[17:19] <Unit193> !ask
[17:19] <largi> My dad has a laptop Dell d840 latitue processor pentium 4 2.4 ghz, 512 SDRAM, graphics, geforce 4 440 go. 32 mb, when you install xubuntu at the time when the installed kernel computer just turns off;/ know what could be the reason for this behavior is not that the installation was complete, I used a translator so I'm sorry for the mistakes. English I have a very weak
[17:20] <largi> please help me :(
[17:20] <SuperEngineer> [thanks Unit193]
[17:20] <Unit193> !pl
[17:20] <Unit193> Would that help more?
[17:20] <largi> tak pl
[17:21] <largi> ok I join #ubuntu-pl
[19:18] <xubuntu304> hi
[19:18] <xubuntu304> can I ask something?
[19:18] <xubuntu304> please?
[19:19] <genii> !ask
[19:20] <xubuntu304> I am new to ubuntu. I have kubuntu installed and right now I download the xubuntu for my old laptop. I don't know how to burn it (Cd? dvd?) so that I can install it on the old laptop I mentioned.
[19:21] <Unit193> 1. Does you laptop have a DVD drive?  2. Does it have the ability to boot off of flash drives/USB devices?
[19:22] <xubuntu304> 1. Yes
[19:22] <xubuntu304> 2. Yes
[19:22] <Unit193> I'd recommend the second.
[19:22] <ui_> Do you need to have a separate installation? You can install xubuntu on the same system as kubuntu, and switch the desktop environment at login.
[19:22] <Unit193> !usb
[19:22] <Unit193> xubuntu304: I read that as Kubuntu on one computer and Xubuntu on another, am I wrong?
[19:24] <xubuntu304> Kubuntu is on my pc. I download xubuntu for my old laptop because its an old centrino with 1GB RAM. It's another system, not the same. My pc has kubuntu (fine) and my laptop has Windows XP (not fine, I want xubuntu on it).
[19:24] <Unit193> (I kind of skipped making sure on that, bad me...)
[19:24] <ui_> ah ok, I assumed that kubuntu was on the laptop, sorry.
[19:25] <Unit193> ui_: Thanks for asking him, though!
[19:26] <xubuntu304> But I'm totally new to kubuntu. I don't know what to do with the file I download right now and how i get it on dvd
[19:27] <Unit193> xubuntu304: If you're on XP, I'd highly recommend LinuxLiveUSB, and if on Kubuntu, there's other tools listed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[19:27] <xubuntu304> I kinda don't form it right for you people. Wait...
[19:30] <elfy> xubuntu304: k3b is the tool you need to use in kubuntu - make sure to burn it as an image
[19:30] <xubuntu304> Right now, I'm on my desktop computer. There is kubuntu installed and I'm a newbie. I managed to download a version of xubuntu, because my old laptop which has windows xp on it which not working right now, and I thought to install xubuntu. I allready have downloaded the file through torrent. Now I have xubuntu here on download folders on kubuntu and I don't know how to burn a DVD!
[19:31] <elfy> use the app I told you above
[19:31] <xubuntu304> ok thank you very much. I'll try to figure it out.
[19:32] <elfy> point it at the download - burn as image - slow speed
[19:35] <xubuntu304> ok, I think I found it... thank you very much. Take care people...
[19:42] <xubuntu428> I came back, because I need your help. I was here 5 minutres before. So, here is the case: My old laptop is a centrino with 1 GB Ram and 120GB HDD. First I tried to install kubuntu 13.04 on it and a message came out. Then I searched and found out that xubuntu should be better on old systems. I downloaded it and with your help I burn a DVD with it. I put it in and try to boot and install it and the same message comes up:
[19:43] <xubuntu428> "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae    Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU. Please help.
[19:44] <xubuntu428> Which version of linux would be appropriate for my CPU...
[19:47] <ui_> xubuntu428: try xubuntu 12.04, which is non-PAE
[19:47] <Unit193> Debian or a more closely based Debian deriv with linux-image-486 kernel.
[19:47] <Unit193> ...Or the LTS, yes.
[19:48] <ui_> (the i386 version)
[19:49] <xubuntu428> ok... Is there any kubuntu distribution which is non pae? I would like to have the same environment on pc and on laptop. It will be easier for me to go away from windows :)
[19:52] <elfy> I'd guess lts - but #kubuntu would be the place to check :)
[19:53] <xubuntu428> ty
[19:53] <xubuntu428> bye
[19:54] <Unit193> Think you'd have to go minimal first, think their 12.04 shipped PAE.
[20:10] <shupton> I can't get .flv or mp4 video to consistently play. Once in  a while it will work but eventually the video is gone and all I get is audio. I use VLC and Gnome Mplayer.  If I use Puppy linux on the same computer it has no problem playing the video.
[20:14] <bazhang> the download helper plugin can transcode them on the fly
[20:15] <bazhang> firefox
[20:16] <shupton> I'm trying to play videos I downloaded using the download helper.
[20:16] <shupton> They are .flv and .mp4 files stored on the hard drive.
[20:17] <bazhang> right, it will change the flv to mp4 as it downloads. you could go further with handbrake I suppose


[16:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> cjwatson et al, it looks like every single amd64 builder is completely borked today afaict. Things were looking fine then all the sudden lcy02 underwent a mass reset for whatever reason and is having trouble coming back up.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks cleared-up now, but that was weird.
[19:40] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer[m]: I expect the automatic recovery job dealt with that
[19:42] <cjwatson> Eickmeyer[m]: And yeah, this sort of thing will happen when DNS in that cloud region is unreliable, which is something we've been reporting internally.
[19:42] <cjwatson> We have a partial workaround to make the consequences less severe, but it doesn't cover all cases.


[01:56] <bcurtiswx> Hey all, I think https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/642894 is not an empathy bug, but the indicator-applet.  Can someone take a look and confirm?
[01:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 642894 in empathy (Ubuntu) "bubble twice text (affected: 1, heat: 107)" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:14] <Cimi> OT, didrocks, did someone add me to the wiki?
[11:14] <Cimi> opd
[11:14] <Cimi> ops :D
[11:15] <Cimi> was playing with weechat history
[11:15] <didrocks> :)
[11:15] <didrocks> Cimi: still a lot of people are complaining about the light themes not making items visible, did you see it?
[11:16] <Cimi> yeah but I have opened a new branch
[11:17] <Cimi> it's more important to fix compiz btw
[11:17] <Cimi> it breaks the inactive window frames
[11:46] <Cimi> hi chaotic
[11:48] <chaotic> hi Cimi
[11:55] <Cimi> chaotic: we still need to deal with few bugs
[11:56] <Cimi> chaotic: people are complaining about inactive text in menus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/617192
[11:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 617192 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "[maverick-beta] Disabled menu items unreadable (affected: 21, heat: 129)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[11:56] <Cimi> and chaotic the patch for compiz was wrong, we *must* upload a new package https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/634417
[11:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 634417 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] tweaks to compiz for maverick (affected: 2, heat: 24)" [Undecided,In progress]
[12:00] <chaotic> Cimi: I did say there isn't enough contrast
[12:02] <Cimi> chaotic: so?
[12:20] <chaotic> Cimi: we might have to change the way the diasabled menu items work
[12:24] <Cimi> chaotic: it's not something easily doable with dark menus
[12:24] <Cimi> we might want to change the position of the shadow
[12:24] <chaotic> Cimi: I think we'll probably have to do something like this http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56501674/tb-menu.png
[12:24] <Cimi> /inset
[12:24] <chaotic> but a little more contrasted
[12:25] <Cimi> I find that less usable btw
[12:25] <Cimi> I can barely see which are active and which of them arent'
[12:26] <chaotic> as I said - but a bit more contrasted
[12:27] <chaotic> Cimi: will do a quick mockup
[12:28] <Cimi> we will still have the issue with the shadow
[12:28] <Cimi> we might want to do an inset
[12:28] <Cimi> on the pixels at the top
[12:29] <Cimi> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56501197/current-vs-branch.png
[12:29] <Cimi> at the bottom the latest branch I created
[12:29] <Cimi> I can clearly see them
[12:30] <Cimi> but the attention goes to the active ones, I like that
[12:34] <chaotic> Cimi: but they are not easily read which makes for bad usability
[14:43] <Cimi> davidbarth: ping
[14:48] <davidbarth> Cimi: pong
[14:48] <Cimi> davidbarth: I made a mistake patching compiz
[14:49] <Cimi> used 1 instead 1.0 in the patch :) I broke the inactive window deco
[14:49] <Cimi> we need to upload the new package
[14:49] <Cimi> but kenvandine is on vacation I guess
[14:51] <Cimi> there's also another issue to deal with
[14:52] <Cimi> please poke me when you have 5 mins
[14:52] <davidbarth> oops
[14:52] <davidbarth> seb128: ^^ we need an emergency patch on compiz apparently
[14:53] <Cimi> yeah
[14:53] <Cimi> sorry guys
[14:53] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[14:53] <Cimi> I thought ken tested my package but apparently he didn't
[14:53] <didrocks> seb128: on it too
[14:54] <didrocks> (the day will be long long… :))
[14:54] <didrocks> Cimi: what's the patch? did you read my comments about the ubuntu-light package?
[14:54] <Cimi> here is the debdiff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/634417/+attachment/1633401/+files/compiz_0.8.6-0ubuntu8_lp634417.debdiff
[14:54] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 634417 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] tweaks to compiz for maverick (affected: 2, heat: 24)" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:55] <Cimi> didrocks: which comment in particular?
[14:55] <didrocks> Cimi: a lot of people commented on the bug you're assigned about the inactive menu item still not being visible
[14:55] <Cimi> yeah
[14:55] <didrocks> I think you should have received some bug reports about it :)
[14:56] <Cimi> I had
[14:56] <didrocks> I think you should either answer on the bug or change something :)
[14:56] <Cimi> I have replied to them the whole weekend :)
[14:56] <Cimi> I don't think we could go to a bright midgrey color for maverick
[14:57] <Cimi> it's too late and requires patching the engine as well in order to get it done correctly
[14:57] <didrocks> Cimi: ok, just wanted to know what was your position, thanks!
[14:57] <Cimi> so for the moment I have increased the darkness of the color, in order to have more contrast
[14:57] <Cimi> and I have created a new branch
[14:58] <didrocks> Cimi: oh (seeing your diff) that's why the unfocused window was still transparent :)
[14:58] <Cimi> don't know who takes decisions here, but for me it would be cool to merge it and release a new package
[14:58] <didrocks> Cimi: hum, so you have a fix somewhere?
[14:58] <Cimi> for the insensitive menuitems?
[14:59] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/more-contrasted-disabled-menuitems
[15:00] <Cimi> davidbarth: I also have a new branch with rounded corners, if someone wants it: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/light-themes/rounded-bottom-corners
[15:00] <didrocks> Cimi: yeah
[15:00] <didrocks> hum, don't change everything
[15:01] <didrocks> but I think taking the contrasted ones make sense
[15:01] <Cimi> me too
[15:02] <didrocks> Cimi: do you have the bug report about the constract handy? that will help me a lot :)
[15:03] <Cimi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/634417
[15:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 634417 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] tweaks to compiz for maverick (affected: 2, heat: 24)" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:03] <Cimi> ops
[15:03] <Cimi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/617192+
[15:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 617192 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "[maverick-beta] Disabled menu items unreadable (affected: 21, heat: 129)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:04] <Cimi> without the plus
[15:05] <didrocks> Cimi: thanks a lot :)
[15:05] <didrocks> Cimi: will sponsor both
[15:06] <Cimi> compiz is essential :)
[15:07] <didrocks> Cimi: is it crashing? it's not there
[15:08] <Cimi> no
[15:08] <Cimi> but makes window decoration transparent
[15:08] <didrocks> yeah (and I liked that TBH :))
[15:08] <didrocks> you know, critical is crash :p
[15:08] <didrocks> here, it's maybe "high" for a designer point of view  ;)
[15:09] <Cimi> critical for my designer point of view :)
[15:09] <Cimi> didrocks: can we get this uploaded today?
[15:10] <didrocks> Cimi: it will be uploaded today, but I already have a queue of 10 pendings upload
[15:10] <Cimi> before people will start breaking their gconf installations
[15:10] <Cimi> ok
[15:10] <didrocks> Cimi: it won't break gconf installation, as default aren't copied
[15:10] <didrocks> default is default, it will be changed on update
[15:11] <Cimi> it will if you'll play with gconf-editor
[15:11] <Cimi> as I did :)
[15:11] <Cimi> i had to run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gwd
[15:11] <didrocks> yeah, but even the new one won't overwrite that if you play with gconf-editor
[15:11] <didrocks> same for everything… not only for those keys
[15:11] <didrocks> if you change defaults, you change defaults… :)
[15:11] <Cimi> but
[15:12] <Cimi> if you change the value
[15:12] <Cimi> it still gets the old default
[15:12] <Cimi> don't know why
[15:12] <didrocks> no, it gets the changed value
[15:12] <Cimi> maybe because it was int/float
[15:12] <Cimi> here, even after changing the default
[15:12] <Cimi> didn't work until I run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gwd
[15:12] <didrocks> ?
[15:13] <didrocks> don't understand
[15:13] <didrocks> you have one default value
[15:13] <Cimi> i installed compiz
[15:13] <didrocks> then, you change to your custom value
[15:13] <Cimi> the broken one
[15:13] <Cimi> "oh shit, let's set it to 1.0 trough gconf-editor"
[15:13] <didrocks> well, you change with gconf-editor, you choose whatever you want
[15:13] <Cimi> didn't work
[15:13] <didrocks> right
[15:13] <Cimi> ok, so let's patch the defaults
[15:13] <Cimi> patched
[15:13] <Cimi> "damn, doesn't work"
[15:13] <didrocks> weird, it should work, at least at restart
[15:14] <Cimi> even after playing tieh gconf.editor again
[15:14] <didrocks> oh, patching the defaults
[15:14] <Cimi> didn't work until I run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/gwd
[15:14] <didrocks> you change the default file?
[15:14] <Cimi> iirc yes
[15:14] <didrocks> sure, you have to launch a script to take it into account
[15:14] <didrocks> that's how gconf is working on debian and ubuntu
[15:29] <bratsche> vish: Actually I think jimmac had talked about symbolic icons for years.
[15:29] <bratsche> vish: And the code was implemented by hadess and mclasen.
[15:29] <bratsche> So, not really sure how we contributed that. :)
[15:31] <vish> bratsche: yea, jimmac *always* likes monochrome colors because of obvious personal reasons.. ;)  but never not "symbolic" icon are how we planned it.. if you see the earlier shell mockups all the icons were color.. it was only after we started it for humanity and people liked it . that gnome used the idea..
[15:31] <vish> s/not//
[15:32] <vish> jimmac likes greyscale rather..
[15:33] <bratsche> I thought someone had talked about colorized mono icons several years ago.. maybe I forgot who it was, but I thought it was him.
[15:34] <vish> bratsche: he attended the symbolic icon session and pushed the idea in gnome.. IMO, its because of his backing it got more traction in gnome ;)
[15:35] <bratsche> Okay, cool.
[22:54] <Cimi> bratsche: ping
[23:20] <bratsche> Cimi: pong
[23:20] <bratsche> Hey dude.
[23:36] <Cimi> bratsche: hi :)
[23:37] <Cimi> would it be hard to patch GtkTreeview::odd-row-color to accept symbolic colors?
[23:37] <Cimi> Gtk-Message: (for origin information, set GTK_DEBUG): failed to retrieve property `GtkTreeView::odd-row-color' of type `GdkColor' from rc file value "((GString*) 0x93c62d0)" of type `GString'
[23:37] <Cimi> this is the error I have when using shade (0.96, @base_color)
[23:39] <bratsche> Hmm.
[23:40] <bratsche> Cimi: I don't think I can answer you right now, but I can try to find out.
[23:40] <Cimi> no worries
[23:40] <Cimi> thank you
[23:42] <bratsche> I need to look at the symbolic color implementation for another project of mine, so thanks for reminding me of this.
[23:46] <Cimi> oooh ok :D
[23:46] <bratsche> Cimi: You're up hacking pretty late tonight aren't you dude? :)
[23:47] <bratsche> Hope it's something fun. :)
[23:49] <Cimi> listening to music and studying for the job interview i'll have with seb
[23:49] <bratsche> Oh nice!  What's the job you're applying for?
[23:49] <Cimi> design engineer
[23:49] <bratsche> Cool
[23:49] <bratsche> Good luck!
[23:49] <Cimi> thanks ;)
[23:49] <bratsche> Listening to anything good?
[23:50] <Cimi> just searching for new artists
[23:50] <Cimi> i'm gonna listen some acoustic sounds tonight
[23:52] <bratsche> Cimi: What's the advantage of setting GtkTreeView::odd-row-color to a symbolic color?
[23:52] <Cimi> because right now
[23:52] <bratsche> I mean, either way you're setting it to a static color right?
[23:52] <Cimi> if you set, i,e to #f5f5f5
[23:52] <Cimi> but you change the base color in gnome appearance capplet
[23:53] <Cimi> you'll have your cool new color for base
[23:53] <Cimi> but the #f5f5f5
[23:53] <Cimi> will still be present
[23:54] <bratsche> I guess I don't understand.. that's true with every widget part isn't it?
[23:54] <bratsche> In the appearance capplet you can change to a different theme, but you can't really change individual widget pieces right?
[23:54] <Cimi> yep
[23:55] <Cimi> but you have control over the colors in the gtkrc
[23:55] <bratsche> I'm just trying to understand the use case still.