[12:15] <BluesKaj> whew ... back in KDE-Land ... success!  ;)
[12:15] <Cyprene> Glad to hear it worked, whatever you did. :)
[12:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: well if you want to jump between the two you will have to endure teh indignity of having to login :)
[12:16] <DaSkreech> Cyprene: what's got you konfused?
[12:16] <Cyprene> Aah, I've got most of my problems worked out.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> now I  must go to the community mailbox, thru the wind and rain
[12:16] <Cyprene> I'm trying to get Japanese text input.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> yup DaSkreech ...afraid so :)
[12:17] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: if you plan infrequent jumps you can setone as defualt and autologin on that one then logout only when you need to
[12:18] <Cyprene> I guess that may be a rather specialized issue, lol
[12:20] <DaSkreech> !jp
[12:20] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[12:20] <intelikey> Cyprene
[12:20] <intelikey> kde-i18n-ja - Japanese (ja) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE
[12:20] <intelikey> language-pack-kde-ja - KDE translation updates for language Japanese
[12:20] <intelikey> language-pack-kde-ja-base - KDE translations for language Japanese
[12:20] <DaSkreech> Cyprene: If you can read Japanese that might help :)
[12:20] <DaSkreech> intelikey: why isn't it jp?
[12:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech no idea
[12:21] <Cyprene> Does that handle the input?
[12:21] <Firefishe> hey, my japanese fonts are installed..kewl ;) hee
[12:21] <lupine_85> cor, looks good
[12:21] <Cyprene> lol
[12:22] <lupine_85> I'm being good though :)
[12:22] <DaSkreech>  that's about it
[12:22] <lupine_85> is there anything japanese that isn't inherently naughty, anyway?
[12:22] <Cyprene> Salarymen.
[12:23] <lupine_85> rule 34?
[12:23] <DaSkreech> kamikaze?
[12:23] <lupine_85> no, that's naughty. very much so.
[12:23] <Cyprene> Kamikaze are?
[12:23] <Cyprene> That's an interesting viewpoint.
[12:24] <Firefishe> What Java IDE is best used with ubuntu/powerpc?
[12:24] <lupine_85> would you let your kid do it?
[12:24] <Cyprene> Kamikaze?  I don't think I would.
[12:24] <Cyprene> We have missles now that do the same job.
[12:24] <Cyprene> Missles are cheap.  Lives are expensive.
[12:24] <underzsof> THE SITE HAS EVERYTHING ABOUT WAREZ RAPIDSHARE DOWNLOADZ --> WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM  THANX!!!
[12:25] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Eclipse works
[12:25] <Cyprene> Well, I guess I know where to go if I want information about warez rapidshare downloads.
[12:25] <Cyprene> lol
[12:25] <DaSkreech> Or netbeans
[12:26] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Or kate :)
[12:26] <fannagoganna> hmm, Java IDE might be Eclipse
[12:26] <intelikey> get all the warez you want at <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:26] <fannagoganna> personally, i haven't used it
[12:26] <fannagoganna> why not just use torrents?
[12:26] <Firefishe> DaSkreech: Ah..thank you.  Does KDevelop work for java?
[12:26] <fannagoganna> if you want warez??
[12:26] <DaSkreech> I should think so
[12:26] <fannagoganna> i've never gotten KDevelop to work -- it seems too unwieldy
[12:27] <Firefishe> intelikey: chuckle
[12:27] <Firefishe> ;)
[12:27] <intelikey> :)
[12:27] <intelikey> Firefishe that was for the newbee's that are used to windows... :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> DaSkreech, i had a pretty good look at xfce4 ... justa simplified and confusing gnome :)
[12:28] <Firefishe> DaSkreech: Well, as a powerpc/g4 laptop user, I'm using the IBM release of the java sdk.  What I'm wanting, really, is an IBM version IDE to go with it...java based, of course.  Know of anything like that/
[12:28] <Firefishe> ?
[12:28] <lupine_85> KDEvelop is incredible
[12:28] <Firefishe> intelikey: ah...understood
[12:28] <lupine_85> I'm using it for c++ and it does all the yucky automake stuff for me :)
[12:28] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Yeah it's light though
[12:28] <Firefishe> c++ I wouldl think, yes.  java can be a bit more unwieldy
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Eclipse
[12:29] <DaSkreech> That will require doubling your RAM though
[12:29] <DaSkreech> and yes I don't care how much RAM you currently hav :)
[12:29] <Firefishe> Eclipse uses that much?
[12:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech i have a box with 64m will i still need to dubble it ?
[12:30] <jbasilio> anyone good with hotplug scripts?  i want to know how to set a usb memory card reader so that when it mounts it is accessible by ALL users of a group on my system
[12:31] <jbasilio> i wish it would just honor the umask setting
[12:31] <DaSkreech> Firefishe: Yup
[12:31] <DaSkreech> intelikey: is it running comforatbly now?
[12:31] <intelikey> DaSkreech very
[12:31] <DaSkreech> apt-get install xserver-xorg and try it again :)
[12:32] <DaSkreech> arethere CLI IDEs outside of the Deadly Duo ?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> with just 64? ...what can run on that ?
[12:32] <intelikey> well kde is a little tight if i have mozilla mail and konqueror both working with more than one window/tab...
[12:32] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Ubuntu-server
[12:32] <intelikey> i guess i could enable some swap space and cure that
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:33] <intelikey> p.s.  that's not a joke.  honest truth. ^
[12:34] <tobias> I met david rovics yesterday XD
[12:34] <BluesKaj> just gave an old 233mhz MMXbox away with 128mb Ram on it to the old folks center here
[12:35] <BluesKaj> there was old guy there who knew how to set up linux on it
[12:35] <tobias> thats nice :)
[12:35] <lupine_85> !info xserver-xgl dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 1584 kB, installed size 4384 kB
[12:35] <lupine_85> !info xserver-xgl edgy
[12:35] <ubotu> xserver-xgl: GL-based X server. In component universe, is optional. Version 7.0.0.git.20060725-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1548 kB, installed size 4124 kB
[12:35] <DaSkreech> so the old folks center is saved!! :)
[12:35] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm talking p1mmx 100mhz 64m ram 610m hd     (yes it's a hacked install, not default)
[12:35] <tobias> when Im old Ill finally learn how to install linux
[12:36] <BluesKaj> cool ol' dude ...he had it running ubuntu in hr
[12:36] <BluesKaj> right on intelikey ! :)
[12:36] <intelikey> tobias there wont be a linux by then.  M$ will have seued it out of existance
[12:36] <BluesKaj> new life for old boxes
[12:36] <jbasilio> mother !@#!!!  it's funy how until you ask a question doors don't open up.  1) ubuntu uses udev.  2) /etc/udev/permissions.d
[12:37] <tobias> intelikey not if I buy m$!!
[12:37] <intelikey> tobias actually "not if we all stop buying M$"  :)
[12:37] <tobias> intelikey hehehe
[12:38] <tobias> intelikey oh yeah, thats what I meant
[12:38] <BluesKaj> tobias , I'm pretty old (63) .
[12:38] <Firefishe> tobias: If you want a walkthrough for linux install, I'll help you in /query
[12:38] <tobias> firefishe I got linux installed, but thanks a lot for the offer! :D
[12:38] <tobias> firefishe my friend installed kubuntu for me
[12:38] <Firefishe> tobias: hee...okay then.  well, enjoy it.
[12:39] <dennister> good evening all
[12:39] <Firefishe> tobias: nice to have a local kubuntu user :)
[12:39] <tobias> blueskaj cool:) how long have u used linux?
[12:39] <intelikey> dennister
[12:39] <BluesKaj> HI dennister, HOW GOES THE BATTLE ? :)
[12:39] <dennister> hey intelikey, BluesKaj :)
[12:39] <tobias> firefishe: are u in norway? nice :)
[12:39] <Firefishe> tobias: no, stateside
[12:39] <dennister> going well, ty...finally found out what the problem was with lirc
[12:40] <BluesKaj> tobias, about 5yrs off and on , but i've been really learning since i bought this new pc last march
[12:40] <tobias> firefishe you thought I lived in the states?
[12:40] <dennister> turns out it was with the blaster for the card: it's only a receiver, and can't transmit any signals to the STB or anything else; it's a hardware limitation
[12:41] <dennister> so Hauppauge is going to send me the "newer" 150 model with the better IR blaster :)
[12:41] <tobias> blueskaj ahh, i just started this summer on kubuntu, its so nice that it actually is easier and better than m$ now I think!
[12:42] <intelikey> does kdecelop depend on something in "restricted" ?
[12:42] <intelikey> kdevelop
[12:42] <Firefishe> tobias: oh, I don't think I asked your location.  I meant that I felt it was nice for you to have someone local to you.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> right dennister, hauppauge has a good reputation
[12:42] <Firefishe> tobias: someone local who could install it for you, I was saying I was happy for you in that regard :)
[12:42] <dennister> tobias: i have to agree with u, especially with edgy on i386 architecture
[12:42] <tobias> firefishe: aah! I see, yes its wonderfull! he is such a positive influence on everyone around.
[12:43] <intelikey> restricted is the only repo i don't have (of the four common ones)  and kdevelop is the only part of kde that didn't install correctly  dependancy problem
[12:43] <giometz> Hi to you all
[12:43] <dennister> IF you install it with a clean install, and have the hardware to handle it...apparently it doesn't do so well with older hardware and upgrading
[12:43] <tobias> hello :)
[12:44] <BluesKaj> well tobias, i like the challenge of linux and when i solve aproblem , i usually end up creating another one due to my less than cautious curiosity
[12:44] <giometz> why apt-get dist-upgrade does not upgrade my amarok (1.4.3) although the new version (1.4.4) has been released the 30th of october with the kubuntu packages?
[12:44] <tobias> hehehe
[12:44] <intelikey> /nick crash_test_dummy
[12:45] <dennister> at least....that's been my experience, and I'm adding all the stuff I've heard here and elsewhere...i'm sure other people with older hardware and upgrades should speak for themselves, in regard to their experience
[12:45] <tobias> thats how we learn in life as well blueskaj :)
[12:45] <jdiwnab> w00t! I finished upgrading from 5.10 to 6.06!
[12:45] <BluesKaj> it's nice meeting interesting and interested ppl here, mostly always willing to help with good advice too :)
[12:46] <dennister> I love great companies who build their reputations on good tech support and good return/rma policies :)
[12:46] <Firefishe> tobias, BluesKaj:  Want challenge?  Install kubuntu on a G4 PowerBook (PowerPC-based) laptop ;)
[12:46] <tobias> blueskaj: yes! I started learning stuff from others here, and now I am able to help some people with problems too, so its like a constantly growing knowledge base
[12:46] <dennister> BluesKaj: i'll agree there, too, as I found out about the Linux Caffee in Toronto here in the irc channel
[12:47] <blanky> hey guys
[12:47] <dennister> I even plan to attend the Ubuntu lug meeting in a couple of days...maybe I can help witht he marketing effort
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hehe , interesting Firefishe , that you should say that, cuz my daughter is returning from the far east next spring with an old trusty powerbook
[12:47] <blanky> sometimes when I log off/restart/shutdown, my kde session closes (apparently at least) but my computer hangs there, on a black screen, so then I have to press the turn off button on my computer and when I turn it back on I have problems, like, just now I had disk problems, and now I'm experiencing weird kde bugs, like visual artifacts
[12:48] <tobias> :)
[12:48] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: What model?
[12:48] <Maxilein> Heya guys
[12:48] <Maxilein> just a question.... wanted to get the new edgy elt but am not sure about the right ISO image
[12:48] <dennister> did u guys know this is Ubuntu OpenWeek? lots of events (including learning events) in other ubuntu-related irc channels
[12:49] <Maxilein> there are several options on the download page but there is no alternate CD
[12:49] <BluesKaj> you in toronto tobias, I'm near sudbury... was in toronto last week visiting my other daughter at bayview and sheppard
[12:49] <Maxilein> whichone isa the LIVE CD which offers an install option and which one is the alternate one?
[12:49] <tobias> blueskaj: I live in Norway :)
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Firefishe, I'm not sure ..she bought it taipei
[12:49] <dennister> Maxilein: first, what do you want to do with your linux installation?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> oh IC tobias, IRC cafe'
[12:50] <tobias> blueskaj: Im gonan go visit canada at some point though, I heard they have vegan hotdogs on the streets.
[12:50] <tobias> gonna even
[12:50] <tobias> and Im vegan so I like to go see if its true ;)
[12:50] <BluesKaj> gwad ..vegan hotdawgs  :(
[12:50] <dennister> Maxilein: do you just want a desktop, or do u want a mythtv installation?
[12:50] <Maxilein> dennister: why? What is the difference between the alternate and the live cd?  I thought it should give me the same system once it is installed
[12:50] <tobias> hehehe
[12:51] <Maxilein> dennister: mythtv?  never heard...
[12:51] <jdiwnab> !update
[12:51] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:51] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: Actually, they're pbly delicious.  Most textured vegetable protein can be formulated so that it is quite palatable.  Much like kubuntu on the power pc ;) hee
[12:51] <Maxilein> dennister: I want a surf and fun PC which is also used as a testing server on my localhost (just for me)
[12:51] <intelikey> blanky don't use the power button.  use  [SysRQ] +[alt] +[u]    and then   [SysRQ] +[alt] +[b]     should emergensy remount read only the disk then reset the box    if it doesn't work that way,  then we have the power button...
[12:51] <dennister> because I wanted a mythbox, which needs a lamp server first...I love using my lamp server
[12:51] <Firefishe> I'm sticking with dapper
[12:51] <BluesKaj> dennister, is in canada, but i forgot where
[12:51] <blanky> intelikey: hey! long time no see! SysRQ?
[12:52] <Firefishe> dennister: what is a lamp server?  something to turn your house lights on and off? ;)
[12:52] <Maxilein> ok, I rephrase ... where can I get the LIVE CD with install option?
[12:52] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: www.kubuntu.com/download.php
[12:52] <intelikey> blanky yea it's normaly with the print screen button
[12:52] <BluesKaj> !live cd
[12:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[12:52] <dennister> Maxilein: you want the ubuntu-server 6.10 then...it's all text-based, and when that's installed you just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <blanky> intelikey: ah I see it thanks! :)
[12:53] <Firefishe> !lamp
[12:53] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> !edgy cd
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Kr4t05> !bot
[12:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:53] <dennister> once you have the server backend installed, then you add the X-windows graphical desktops on top of the server backend
[12:53] <Maxilein> Kr4t05: Came until there ... but there is no alternate or live cd listed ... so I assume one of both does not exist any longer
[12:53] <Maxilein> so which one is the right link?
[12:54] <dennister> Maxilein: r u following me?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: The live cd is the install CD
[12:54] <DaSkreech> tobias: needa vegan wallet?
[12:54] <Firefishe> dennister: ah, that makes sense.
[12:54] <Maxilein> kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[12:54] <Maxilein> is this the right one?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> dennister, why is it called the 'back end " ?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Yes!
[12:54] <Maxilein> Kr4t05 Yes to me?
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: yes
[12:54] <Maxilein> Yes to kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso ?
[12:54] <dennister> i call it a backend, not everyone does, because of what I use it for
[12:54] <Maxilein> thank you
[12:54] <Firefishe> BluesKaj: it's similar to running a daemon in the background.
[12:54] <Kr4t05> Maxilein: For the third time. Yes
[12:54] <dennister> Maxilein: no!
[12:55] <Maxilein> dennister no?
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: there is one?
[12:55] <Maxilein> Thank you guys
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: :D
[12:55] <dennister> if you want a server, u want the ubuntu-server first
[12:55] <Maxilein> have a nice evening
[12:55] <Maxilein> cya
[12:55] <DaSkreech> No I just recall a venn chart Diagram suddenly :)
[12:55] <Kr4t05> dennister: don't confuse him any more.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ok, that gives me a clue . :)
[12:55] <dennister> ok...i guess it's a matter of opinion
[12:55] <intelikey> blanky the ubuntu kernel has SysRQ calls enabled    and it's good to know what they are.    like    [SysRQ] +[alt] +R  to reset the keyboard  if [alt] +[ctrl] +[f#]  doesn't work    or    [SysRQ] +[alt] +E  to kill everything  if something has an expensive run-away    or that   [SysRQ] +[alt] +U  to remount,ro     or    [SysRQ] +[alt] +B  to "reset" the box      there are others also   but i'm prolly off topic
[12:55] <tobias> daskreech: what is that?
[12:55] <Kr4t05> Question.
[12:56] <dennister> he decided not to listen to me anyway :)
[12:56] <blanky> intelikey: thanks! :)
[12:56] <DaSkreech> dennister: good thing
[12:56] <Kr4t05> Is there anyway for the Dapper Install CD to update things to Edgy?
[12:56] <tobias> daskreech: give me a vegan wallet :D
[12:56] <dennister> why?  is that installation method too confusing for noobs?
[12:57] <intelikey> Kr4t05 no.   all you get out of the install cd is install
[12:57] <DaSkreech> dennister: Nope just you explaining it :)
[12:57] <dennister> at least, we're assuming he's a noob, cause he didn't know what a lamp server was
[12:57] <BluesKaj> dennister, Most Installs are confusing for us noobs :)
[12:57] <intelikey> Kr4t05 you can 'upgrade'  but it's proven better to do a clean install if possable
[12:57] <intelikey> !upgrade
[12:57] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:58] <jdiwnab> Is it better to apt-get or use the update manager?
[12:58] <dennister> well i was a brand new noob < 4 months ago, and i've done many isntalls since, with my method
[12:58] <BluesKaj> dennister, i thought you were gonna say a lamp server came in bottle ...genie !
[12:58] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I would, but my net connection is considerably slower on the Live CD than on a regular install.
[12:59] <Kr4t05> intelikey: All I have right now is the Dapper CD, so I'm going to perform a fresh install of Dapper and then go to Edgy off the cuff.
[12:59] <intelikey> jdiwnab apt/adept/aptitude/deslesct are all front/back/ends to dpkg the debian package manager
[12:59] <dennister> anyway...on to other topics
[12:59] <Firefishe> !lamp
[12:59] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[12:59] <intelikey> Kr4t05 see the link ^
[01:00] <BluesKaj> yeah dennister, I'll bet you were a noob <-4mos ago :)
[01:00] <Kr4t05> intelikey: the one for LAMP?
[01:00] <intelikey> !upgrade | Kr4t05
[01:00] <ubotu> Kr4t05: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:00] <intelikey> that one
[01:01] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: We are all noobs now we just don't know it :)
[01:01] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I already know how to upgrade, I was merely asking if there was a way to do it from the live CD.
[01:02] <intelikey> Kr4t05 this is linux  there is always a way or fifty five...    but not for the faint of heart
[01:02] <Kr4t05> intelikey: I'm getting a new hard drive later this week, anyway. I'm just putting together a temporary install in the meantime.
[01:03] <intelikey> so why upgrade the dapper then   if it's for 3/2 days ???
[01:03] <dennister> tobias: when u come to Toronto, let me know...they have lots of vegan possibilities for dining here
[01:04] <tobias> dennister kool! I will! :)
[01:04] <BluesKaj> ahh you are in tranna, dennister, :)
[01:04] <BluesKaj> i;d forgotten
[01:04] <dennister> although i do have to warn you...lots of vegan and vegetarian folks I know still have problems...u have to know where to look for the info
[01:05] <tobias> the vegan stuff is hidden?
[01:05] <dennister> it's just not mainstream...you look in certain places/sources for the resataurants
[01:06] <dennister> and yes, we pronounce it tranna :)
[01:06] <tobias> viana=vegan
[01:06] <tobias> :)
[01:06] <BluesKaj> no kidding ...lived there for a few yrs myself , when i was young and crazy
[01:07] <dennister> it's the teens my son hangs out with who are the majority of the vegetarians/vegans...and they don't have enough $ yet to influence the mainstream
[01:07] <DralaFi> vegan is weird.
[01:07] <tobias> ahh
[01:07] <tobias> I think vegan is fun!
[01:07] <dennister> spoken like a true mainstreamer :)
[01:08] <intelikey> every one is weird.  you are all krazy.  why don't you act like me ?
[01:08] <BluesKaj> my youngest pays lipservice veganism, but i know she sneaks a burger in now and then :)
[01:08] <tobias> I never cooked so much before, I learned how to cook out of necessity, now I make lots of cake and stuff I would never dream about before
[01:08] <deitarion> I've never used kubuntu, but I'm curious. Have you guys come up with a KDE equivalent to gksudo? It'd be a nice thing to install on my Gentoo box.
[01:08] <DralaFi> i can understand if someone has to be vegan if they have health problems.
[01:08] <DralaFi> but not otherwise.
[01:08] <BluesKaj> cake ? ... bad for ya
[01:08] <tobias> I made a cake club! I make people come to my house and make vegan cake for me
[01:08] <tobias> while I film them
[01:09] <tobias> its nice
[01:09] <dennister> u with your cooking; me with my linux adventure...i've been a gourmet baker/chef for many, many years
[01:09] <jdiwnab> vegan cake?
[01:09] <tobias> jdiwnab: yupp without eggs and milk, no problems
[01:09] <intelikey> deitarion  hehhe bee there for ever.   kdesu
[01:09] <intelikey> been
[01:09] <dennister> with no butter, eggs, or milk products, right?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> eeew , vegan linux ...could it be next ...I hope not
[01:09] <LeeJunFan> go figure, people in #windows are too busy talking about viruses to answer a simple question about batch files! hah
[01:09] <deitarion> intelikey: In that case, how do you configure kdesu to behave as sudo rather than su?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> hehe
[01:10] <tobias> with margarine instead of butter and soy milk instead of cow milk and banana instead of egg :)
[01:10] <dennister> hehehee...viruses
[01:10] <DralaFi> virii
[01:10] <tobias> vegan linux!! wee! how would that work??
[01:10] <BluesKaj> bananaramma
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> yeah, on linux I'm too busy being productive to worry about fixing my machine all the time :p
[01:10] <jdiwnab> I believe that it is viruses
[01:10] <intelikey> deitarion idk  the ubuntu team didn't seem to have a problem    but i'm not part of that....
[01:10] <tobias> isnt linux allready pretty vegan?
[01:10] <deitarion> I'll drop over to #kde and ask then. Thanks.
[01:10] <dennister> but I'm gonna have to go back to winblows mce for my tv recording/watching for a coupla weks :(
[01:10] <BluesKaj> you get hungry for more after 40 mins
[01:11] <tobias> hehehe
[01:11] <tobias> more linux!
[01:11] <tobias> just 40 minutes of linux and you need more!
[01:11] <deitarion> tobias: Ever tried frozen bananas, water, and vanilla in a blender? Tastes exactly like a banana milkshake with vanilla ice cream.
[01:11] <dennister> while my tuner is in transit to Hauppauge, NY and back
[01:11] <tobias> deitarion: ooh Im gonna try that
[01:11] <jdiwnab> I haven't been able to get a solid 40 minutes of linux for years, they all mess up on me
[01:11] <tobias> thanks deitarion
[01:12] <jdiwnab> hopefully it won't this time
[01:12] <deitarion> tobias: Freeze 2 bananas. Break in half, add enough water to float them, and once they've been blended to fluid, add vanilla to taste.
[01:12] <DaSkreech> deitarion: kdesu?
[01:12] <Firefishe> tobias:  ./veggiefigure && makeveggies && make install veggies
[01:12] <dennister> another great shake is cold coffee/sanka, crushed ice, and soy milk
[01:12] <tobias> firefishe: for real?
[01:12] <deitarion> DaSkreech: Yeah, now I'm wondering how to make it behave as sudo rather than su.
[01:12] <Firefishe> tobias:  no, not for real ;) hee,.
[01:12] <dennister> like a cold ice-cappucino
[01:13] <intelikey> "<jdiwnab> I haven't been able to get a solid 40 minutes of linux for years,"   how can you break linux in less than an hour ?
[01:13] <Firefishe> tobias:  That's similar to "how do you romance a girl with linux?  Answer:  ./configher && make && make out ;)
[01:13] <deitarion> tobias: Also, frozen bananas and strawberries in a food processor with no water make amazing "ice cream".
[01:13] <tobias> deitarion Im putting it into my kontakt :)
[01:13] <jdiwnab> well... It is more that it wouldn't start working
[01:13] <tobias> mmmm
[01:13] <dennister> now I'm getting hungry :( came online to ask a question about wine
[01:14] <tobias> deitarion: I like to try new icecreams
[01:14] <tobias> deitarion: Im gonna put this in my notebook in kontakt
[01:14] <intelikey> jdiwnab not installing it on a C128 are ya ?
[01:14] <Firefishe> deitarion: now *thatI* sounds scrumptious
[01:14] <Firefishe> *that* rather
[01:14] <DaSkreech> deitarion: There was a patch into it about two weeks back
[01:14] <jdiwnab> naw, but my microsoft wireless card, and strange video cards don't help
[01:15] <dennister> Q: I've now got wine installed, and the fake windows drive is there, do I just stick my winblows office disk in the cd drive to install work in wine?
[01:15] <dennister> i can't exactly download it like the howtos suggest
[01:15] <lupine_85> dennister: give it a try
[01:15] <deitarion> tobias: One other good summer snack is frozen grapes. Just pick 'em, bag 'em, freeze 'em, and they're like cold candy.
[01:15] <intelikey> jdiwnab umm hmm   don't blame linux for your M$ only hardware...    you got exactly what you paid for.
[01:15] <jdiwnab> heh
[01:15] <lupine_85> the setup program will install to whatever it thinks c: is - assuming the setup program works in wine
[01:16] <tobias> nice!
[01:16] <tobias> :D
[01:16] <jdiwnab> It worked in Suse, but my video card didn't. Then my network card didn't work in ubuntu the first 5 times
[01:16] <tobias> my friends used to make me grapes with alchohol in them in the freezer
[01:16] <tobias> I tried it once, not a good idea
[01:16] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Matrox Video cards?
[01:16] <tobias> too easy to get drunk
[01:16] <tobias> :)
[01:17] <deitarion> tobias: Finally, to balance it out with a winter snack, chocolate "milk" can be had with roughly two heaping spoonfulls of unsweetened cocoa powder, roughly two cups of maple syrup, and however much condensed coconut milk you need to make it creamy.
[01:17] <dennister> well apparently word 2003 does work in wine, it's in the wine database...i just don't know how to install it from a cd into wine, as the howtos say to download programs
[01:17] <jdiwnab> Some strange integrated ATI stuff
[01:17] <tobias> ooh! cocomilk!
[01:17] <tobias> its so nice not to have to use the soy milk all the time
[01:17] <DralaFi> but you can't drink milk!
[01:17] <tobias> or the rice\oat milk
[01:17] <jdiwnab> but I got an old comptuer to play with and have it sharing internet with my windows box, so it seems to be working now
[01:18] <tobias> I can drink coconutmilk! :D
[01:18] <tobias> dralafi: i cant drink cowmilk
[01:18] <DaSkreech> tobias: Soy Juice
[01:18] <DralaFi> tobias, but why won't you eat meat and drink cow milk?
[01:18] <tobias> dralafi: or wont rathr
[01:18] <DaSkreech> You can't milk a Soy bean
[01:18] <DaSkreech>  at least not the last time I tried
[01:18] <dennister> the howtos just talk about downloading apps and their executable files
[01:19] <intelikey> DaSkreech gerber does it.
[01:19] <deitarion> tobias: To be honest, we don't get "... milk" much. I usually prefer the tropical juice blends, especially Tropicana's Paradise Blend.
[01:19] <DaSkreech> intelikey: gerber milks the public
[01:19] <intelikey> that too
[01:19] <tobias> daskreech: I have to call it something, and I dont like the word juice for it does not have the same qualities as juice for me, while milk is the most common term that I can think off, its like yea I can use it for everything milk can be used for with no exception so why not just call it soy milk? :)
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Because milk requires mammry glands?
[01:20] <intelikey> cow juice ?
[01:20] <intelikey> moo juice   that is.
[01:21] <purpleposeidon> moo-moo milk
[01:21] <dennister> here goes...sticking the ms office dvd in...
[01:21] <tobias> dralafi: various reasons have made me decide to stop consuming products that I belive are harming the planet and other beings(humans and other animals alike) one of the products I have chosen to stear away from is animal products, one of the reasons is that they cut down the rainforest, grow food for animals there(in brazil) and transport the food all the way to norway where they feed it to animals, and then the energy that is fed to the animal
[01:21] <tobias> o the animals are treated horribly, its nothing like it used to be.
[01:21] <intelikey> ewh glands    how discusting.
[01:22] <DaSkreech> stear away :-)
[01:22] <tobias> hehe
[01:22] <tobias> its norwenglish no doubt
[01:23] <intelikey> but what about the poor plants   don't they count ?
[01:23] <tobias> it means to avoid
[01:23] <intelikey> they have feelings too
[01:23] <DaSkreech> I've often wondered that
[01:23] <intelikey> you guys crack me up.
[01:23] <tobias> intelikey: yes they do, but when I am vegan I absorb one tenth of the plants I would absorb on a meat+dairy based diet
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Soylent cola?
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Soylent Greens for everyone! :)
[01:24] <Winter> DaSkreech: oh gad
[01:24] <DralaFi> tobias, ok, but coputers and the energy they consume also harm the planet, and has certainly harmed my eyesight. So by that count, is it logical for us all to stop using computers?  I can try my best... you know :) everything counts
[01:24] <dennister> ok...sticking the dvd in is not working...how do i install this app from dvd into wine?
[01:25] <tobias> daskreech: I would advocate everyone to think for themselves and question all "truths"
[01:25] <DralaFi> tobias, true.
[01:25] <deitarion> According to a guy in #kde, kdesu uses sudo by using "sudo su -" but he has no idea how to alter it's behaviour.
[01:25] <DralaFi> intelikey, hahaha :)
[01:25] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You can't be down with energy
[01:25] <DaSkreech> that's silly u plutonian
[01:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech it's my chant leave it alone  !
[01:25] <Firefishe> Can 'sux' be used in place of sudo?
[01:25] <intelikey> :)
[01:25] <Firefishe> or will it mess things up in ubuntu?
[01:25] <DaSkreech> tobias: ha ha ok but this is waty O-T now
[01:26] <tobias> :D
[01:26] <tobias> this is fun
[01:26] <Firefishe> up with if, in fact "ifup" ;)
[01:27] <tobias> there are many nice people here I can see :)
[01:27] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[01:27] <intelikey> * DaSkreech/#kubuntu chants "down with Chanting, *   hehhe   that's kinda the pot calling the kettel mule isn't it     lol
[01:27] <jdiwnab> <.<
[01:28] <intelikey> can't say black, it might offend someone.
[01:28] <DralaFi> intelikey, #000000
[01:29] <intelikey> DralaFi come on....    this channel went to hell an hour ago.   ;/
[01:29] <DralaFi> intelikey, or unsigned char the_colour[3]  = {0,0,0};
[01:30] <DralaFi> intelikey, it went to hell? :D didn't notice
[01:30] <tobias> we are in hell now? who would have thought it was so pleasent.
[01:33] <intelikey> off hand anyone know where the xdm config is ?
[01:33] <DralaFi> ooh, anyone still use xdm?
[01:33] <DralaFi> i think it might be somewhere under /etc/X11/
[01:33] <Hawkwind> intelikey: /etc/X11/xdm ?
[01:33] <intelikey> yeah found it /etc/X11/xdm
[01:33] <intelikey> ty
[01:34] <DralaFi> :)
[01:35] <intelikey> hmmm but nothing on passwordless login
[01:36] <jdiwnab> hrm
[01:36] <jdiwnab> I was using the update manager for upgrading
[01:36] <jdiwnab> and it seemed to have stopped after downloading everything
[01:37] <DaSkreech> adept?
[01:37] <jdiwnab> I don't know
[01:37] <jdiwnab> I went to the update manager and said upgrade and it downloaded everything to upgrade from 6.06 yo 6.10
[01:38] <jdiwnab> then stopped
[01:39] <DaSkreech> ah
[01:39] <DaSkreech> is there a full upgrade button?
[01:39] <DralaFi> yes, it's the big red one
[01:40] <DralaFi> well not really. but there should be a full upgrade button in Adept.
[01:40] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu run good as a server?
[01:40] <DralaFi> isn't kubuntu for desktop/laptop uses? ie. users who just want a workstation, and not a server?
[01:40] <bobbyshafter> reading some of the thread online that is not a good way to upgrade from dapper to edge
[01:40] <Launchpad-Lap> ?
[01:40] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: as wel las Ubuntu
[01:41] <jdiwnab> hopefully I didn't hose my system a second time
[01:41] <DaSkreech> tobias: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/reflections/20061116-00.html
[01:41] <DralaFi> Launchpad-Lap, get debian, slackware or something similar, perhaps. depends on your requirements.
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> is debian freeware?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> yup
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> basicly i just want a fileserver/printer server
[01:41] <galileu> alguem me entende ai?
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> and possiable a fileserver
[01:41] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: It's open Source and free
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> err doman
[01:41] <Launchpad-Lap> domain
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> opern source doesnt = free though lol
[01:42] <DaSkreech> galileu: espanol?
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !pt
[01:42] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !es
[01:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:42] <intelikey> DralaFi the default install is geared that way but *buntu is a full linux distro.
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> !debian
[01:42] <galileu> no brasileiro
[01:42] <ubotu> Debian is "the rock upon which Ubuntu is founded". To see more details on the relationship, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship
[01:42] <DaSkreech> !br
[01:42] <bobbyshafter> i think you would have to edit your sourses list first ,then do aptget
[01:42] <DaSkreech> !br | galileu
[01:42] <ubotu> galileu: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> have yall heard of eyeOS?
[01:42] <DralaFi> intelikey, i know. but how much work do you need to put in to strip all the new cutting edge stuff and make it a solid server?
[01:42] <Launchpad-Lap> aptget work niced for me
[01:43] <intelikey> DralaFi use the "alternate" install cd
[01:43] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: install ubuntu-server
[01:43] <DaSkreech> Easy peasy :)
[01:43] <Launchpad-Lap> ubuntu-server?
[01:43] <Launchpad-Lap> what be that
[01:44] <intelikey> !ubuntu-server
[01:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah it's a package
[01:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <DralaFi> intelikey, i installed from alternate, and still ended up with all the fancy desktop stuff.
[01:44] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[01:44] <DaSkreech>  Heehee
[01:44] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: They have an option to install or install Server
[01:44] <intelikey> DralaFi yes that's one option on it.
[01:44] <DralaFi> DaSkreech, yeah, i heard of that, should look into it at some point. thanks for reminding me :)
[01:44] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu open an rpm file?
[01:44] <adolfo> which are the "name" of the webserver`s user ?
[01:44] <LjL> !rpm
[01:44] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:44] <DaSkreech> !alien
[01:44] <adolfo> apache2
[01:45] <DaSkreech> adolfo: depends onthe webserver
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> booo
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[01:45] <adolfo> DaSkreech: apache 2
[01:45] <dennister> ok: my tab completion in konsole isn't working :( there's a problem with my kde initialization
[01:45] <intelikey> !lamp
[01:45] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[01:45] <DralaFi> intelikey, DaSkreech: heh, i was obviously not paying much attention to the ubuntu installer :D thanks for correcting me :)
[01:45] <BluesKaj> usually RPM files have their dedpkg equivalents
[01:45] <DaSkreech> DralaFi: it's choice one :)
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> i wanna pratice on kubuntu before i buy this cheap system and put it on
[01:45] <BluesKaj> dev
[01:45] <Launchpad-Lap> that way ill have my amd to run win2k3
[01:46] <dennister> how do i fix the tab completion issue first?
[01:46] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What can you only get as a rpm ?
[01:46] <jdiwnab> Anyone know why updating seemed to stop after downloading everything?
[01:46] <Launchpad-Lap> a file called "kernel-2.6.18-1.2238.fc5.src.rpm
[01:46] <Launchpad-Lap> i think its fedora core though
[01:46] <LjL> ...
[01:46] <LjL> !kernel
[01:46] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:47] <BluesKaj> yup, it would be
[01:47] <Dark_Vampire> Ive got a problem with java
[01:47] <Dark_Vampire> I`ve allready installed it but it dont run in Firefox
[01:47] <Launchpad-Lap> i am though trying to install ntfs-3g
[01:48] <Launchpad-Lap> does the 6.06 kubuntu have the server edition on it?
[01:48] <LjL> not the normal Desktop CD
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> grr
[01:49] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> i need to bly some blank cds
[01:49] <Launchpad-Lap> ty
[01:49] <adolfo> www-data
[01:50] <DralaFi> hey, anyone else having hal + kde difficulty with kernels ~~ 2.6.18 ?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> I find MythTv abit daunting to install..i already have TVTime , but it's video resoultion an colour suck pretty badly...anyone know of any other TV tuner/video programs one can use to watch tv and record it on a pc ?
[01:51] <Launchpad-Lap> why are they making u buy the new cds for ubuntu
[01:52] <dennister> BluesKaj: there's motu...supposed to be newer/better than xawtv
[01:52] <dennister> and there's kdetv
[01:52] <BluesKaj> moyu and kdetv eh ...thx dennister, :)
[01:52] <BluesKaj> motu rather
[01:52] <tobias> daskreech: lol what a nice wallet :D
[01:52] <zblach> hey all
[01:52] <dennister> although i don't know if they record tv, do ur research
[01:52] <zblach> any laptop gurus?
[01:52] <DaSkreech> tobias: and Venn Diagram :)
[01:53] <tobias> hehe
[01:53] <tobias> I want one of those wallets for real!
[01:53] <dennister> they won't work with my ivtv card, it's in the documentation, but if tvtime works for you your card is probably supported with these other tvapps
[01:54] <tobias> daskreech: its possible to make a hemp wallet and just modify it to make rfid proof!
[01:54] <Launchpad-Lap> anyone here used ntfs-3g yet?
[01:54] <tobias> daskreech: there are allready lots of vegan wallets :)
[01:54] <dennister> ok: the problem I'm immediately trying to get some help with: in my syslog i get a few kde-related errors, like this one: kdm_greet[4273] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[01:54] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: what are you using to upgrade?
[01:54] <jdiwnab> update manager
[01:54] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap i don't do windows.
[01:55] <dennister> anyone seen that one before, and know the fix?
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: You can fake it wit hthe desktop CD but it's much more annoying
[01:55] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[01:55] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> eh well i kubuntu installed on one partion on the hd.. and my other partions are ntfs
[01:55] <Launchpad-Lap> yeah kubuntu doesnt run well on my delle1405
[01:56] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: if you want you can aptitude remove kdelibs4c2a and then apt-get install ubuntu-server and there you go
[01:56] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: try apt-get
[01:56] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: If you aren't command line averse
[01:57] <jdiwnab> I'm afriad to do much, would it hurt to close the command line when it looks to be in the middle of a frozen operation?
[01:57] <dennister> ctrl-c jdiwnab
[01:57] <zblach> anyone know what scripts are executed on startup/hibernate?
[01:57] <jdiwnab> that might work
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> apt-get is nice
[01:57] <Launchpad-Lap> runing 6.10 nicely
[01:57] <MidMark> someone familiar with kio::copy?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: You can ask for help here and fix stuff
[01:58] <DaSkreech>  just don't reboot if stuff goes wrong :)
[01:58] <dennister> anyone seen this syslog error b4? kdm_greet[4273] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[01:58] <jdiwnab> heh
[01:58] <jdiwnab> I already hosed the system once last night
[01:58] <dennister> that's one of 2 i'm getting, and it gets repeated
[01:58] <jdiwnab> don't remove your video card when the comptuer is on
[01:59] <dennister> jdiwnab: u trying to get mythtv going?
[01:59] <jdiwnab> nope, I just accidently knocked it out
[02:00] <dennister> sorry...heard you were talking about server install, then tuner...assumed you wanted mythtv
[02:00] <jdiwnab> I wasnt the server guy
[02:00] <jdiwnab> HOLY!
[02:00] <dennister> no...video card, my mistake again
[02:00] <jdiwnab> it was still working
[02:01] <jdiwnab> I tried to start apt-get and it said it couldn't get a lock, so I looked at the updater, that was hidden even though it looked closed, it it was still doing it's thing
[02:02] <jdiwnab> now it asks to restart
[02:02] <jdiwnab> should I?
[02:02] <Kr4t05> jdiwnab: Uh, yeah?
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdi
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: try and updatea nd upgrade again :)
[02:03] <DaSkreech> I normally do cause I'm paranoid :)
[02:03] <jdiwnab> k
[02:03] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: do you know irssi?
[02:03] <jdiwnab> nope
[02:04] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: ok do you know about multiple terminals?
[02:04] <jdiwnab> some
[02:04] <jdiwnab> update manager says that it can't install everything right now
[02:04] <Launchpad-Lap> can kubuntu open a .bz2 file?
[02:04] <jdiwnab> yeah...
[02:05] <robotgeek> tar -jxf foo.bz2 , or right click and open
[02:05] <dennister> anyone know anything about memory corruption errors?
[02:05] <tobias> where is the ubuntuopenweek going on?
[02:05] <jdiwnab> just about anything can happen if you memory goes bad
[02:05] <Launchpad-Lap> kewlies robo
[02:06] <Launchpad-Lap> i think i just crashed kubuntu on the update lol
[02:06] <tobias> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[02:06] <tobias> aha!
[02:06] <dennister> gee thanks...i'm sure it's not though...but my kdm:greet at bootup is mentioning this
[02:06] <DaSkreech> dennister: I used to ... but my memory isn't what it used to be
[02:06] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ok Press Alt+Ctrl+F1 if it works try Alt+Ctrl+F7 to get back here
[02:06] <dennister> lol...did u realize ur made a pun?
[02:07] <DaSkreech> dennister: me I'm not punny :(
[02:07] <Launchpad-Lap> lol i crashed adept manager
[02:07] <jdiwnab> OK, that seemed to work, DaSkreech
[02:07] <Launchpad-Lap> whats linux aqubalent of alt + ctrl + del
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: Hrm... Depends.
[02:08] <Launchpad-Lap> ok in kubuntu 6.10
[02:08] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ok if you can't get stuff to work you can press Alt+Ctrl+F1 and login
[02:08] <dennister> ok, i may have to make some room on a drive that's almost full, and run memseek...see if that fixes the probs at bootup with kdm, and tab-completion in bash...and why some of my preferences settings won't stay
[02:08] <Launchpad-Lap> cause i cant close adept manager now that i crashed it lol
[02:08] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Part two now. open a CLI and type irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[02:08] <dennister> bbl folks
[02:08] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: CTRL + ALT + Backspace will restart X.
[02:09] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: I think it's Alt+ctrl=Del
[02:09] <DaSkreech>  Launchpad-LapWhat does that normally do for you?
[02:09] <logicalbomb> I wonder if I could get black and white 2 working on my linux machine...
[02:09] <logicalbomb> with a Go5700 though... why would I bother/
[02:10] <DaSkreech> logicalbomb: To show that God does exist through eternity
[02:10] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Let me know what happens
[02:11] <jdiwnab> it is checking my ident
[02:11] <Launchpad-Lap> ctrl + alt + backspace a no go
[02:11] <jdiwnab> it then closed when it coudln't get my identd
[02:12] <Kr4t05> logicalbomb: Did they port B&W2, or are you using wine?
[02:12] <logicalbomb> DaSkreech: he exists on my Windows PC in blasphemy running on crossfire X1900 XTX's
[02:12] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: hmm ok try just irssi then
[02:12] <logicalbomb> Kr4t05: no idea, haven't even tried it yet
[02:13] <Launchpad-Lap> nothing DaSkreech
[02:13] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm im assuming wine works on kubuntu
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What? what do you want Alt+Ctrl+Del to do?
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> well im looking for something simular to alt + ctrl + del
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> in windows
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> like a task manager
[02:14] <jdiwnab_> DaSkreech: I'm here now
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: Ah try Ctrl+Esc
[02:14] <jdiwnab> I usually use xchat or something
[02:14] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab_: Ah this is in irssi?
[02:14] <jdiwnab> and over here is my windows box
[02:14] <Launchpad-Lap> just opened applications for me lol
[02:14] <jdiwnab_> this is irssi
[02:15] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab_: Ok if things go badly then you can use Alt+Ctrl+F1 to login and irssi to come here and get help
[02:16] <DaSkreech> what couldn't be upgraded?
[02:16] <jdiwnab> if things go badly, I have my windows box
[02:16] <jdiwnab> this is my windows box
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Launchpad-Lap: What DE are you using?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: Ah didn't know that
[02:16] <jdiwnab> I said that a few times
[02:16] <jdiwnab> ;)
[02:16] <Launchpad-Lap> de?
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> The Kubuntu i have is 6.10
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> Dapper Dan
[02:17] <Launchpad-Lap> or something lol
[02:19] <jdiwnab> seems to be fully installed
[02:19] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[02:20] <jdiwnab> boot screen different
[02:20] <jdiwnab> so something happened
[02:21] <jdiwnab> it's logging in
[02:21] <jdiwnab> seems to be ok
[02:21] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: I know but after we started my little teaching session
[02:22] <jdiwnab> what should I check for?
[02:22] <murchadh> jdiwnab: Welcome back! Glad it's looking good so far.
[02:22] <jdiwnab> well, I learned how to use irssi
[02:22] <DaSkreech> jdiwnab: update and check for upgrades again :)
[02:23] <Kr4t05> jdiwnab: You have a partner in crime. I'm going from Dapper to Edgy.
[02:23] <jdiwnab> seems to be all up to date
[02:24] <jdiwnab> I think it worked
[02:24] <DaSkreech> Then Holla :)
[02:24] <Launchpad-Lap> dapper is 6.10, edgy is 6.06 right?
[02:24] <jdiwnab> other way, Launchpad-Lap
[02:24] <Kr4t05> Launchpad-Lap: other way around
[02:24] <jdiwnab> is there anything else i shoudl check?
[02:25] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo ok
[02:25] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe im catching on
[02:25] <jdiwnab> internet still works
[02:26] <Kr4t05> If I were to get a new harddrive, could I mount, partition and migrate everything over?
[02:27] <Kr4t05> Without reinstalling?
[02:27] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm i need to get that ubuntu book
[02:27] <Launchpad-Lap> my new job is gonna keep me board
[02:29] <larson9999> Kr4t05, that should work just fine.  i'd use gparted live cd to do it
[02:30] <bob> how do i upgrade to firefox 2.0 in Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:30] <intelikey> !ff
[02:30] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:30] <tobias> whenever I join a channel it says "no colors allowed" ... I find that a little disturbing..
[02:31] <tobias> what does it mean?
[02:31] <intelikey> tobias you like collour ?
[02:31] <tobias> intelikey: sure do
[02:32] <tobias> all colours!
[02:32] <tobias> colors
[02:32] <tobias> or something
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> black is a color
[02:32] <intelikey> means the server filters out the code that colours the text  your irc client probably adds colour to some things tho
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> white is a color
[02:32] <tobias> I seem to associate it with some parts of american history
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> clear isnt
[02:32] <Launchpad-Lap> lol
[02:33] <tobias> maybe im just a little crazy ;)
[02:33] <intelikey> clear is a colour too      what's wrong wif you.
[02:33] <Launchpad-Lap> u cant see clear
[02:33] <Launchpad-Lap> clear aint a color!
[02:34] <Launchpad-Lap> color not colour lol
[02:34] <tobias> "no color codes allowed" would be a more... specific thing...
[02:34] <SdSk8> Hello
[02:35] <intelikey> juz cause you kaint see it don't mean it aint no colour....  look at inferred or ultra-violet

[02:35] <tobias> I cant see it, were all humans!
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> i can see it
[02:35] <tobias> color does not matter
[02:35] <tobias> :D
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> inferred is my favorite
[02:35] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe
[02:36] <tobias> I wish I was infrared
[02:36] <DralaFi> clear lets you see stuff behind the clear object, so you see whatever colour is behind it. so clear is multi-coloured! :D \o/
[02:36] <intelikey> tobias tell that to the traffic cop when you drive through a singal
[02:36] <Launchpad-Lap> no sneaking into a girls bathroom lol
[02:36] <tobias> lol
[02:37] <Launchpad-Lap> hehe stewie from family guy = funnnnny
[02:37] <tobias> clear is all colors!
[02:37] <DralaFi> clear is colour.*
[02:37] <Launchpad-Lap> clear isnt a color
[02:37] <tobias> clear is the rainbow, clear is the love we all share!
[02:37] <tobias> wee
[02:38] <intelikey> howto tell dpkg to ignore one dependancy and install without it ?
[02:38] <Launchpad-Lap> !dpkg
[02:38] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[02:38] <zblach> intelikey: -f
[02:38] <Launchpad-Lap> what do u use dpkg with?
[02:39] <intelikey> zblach force-all   but  that won't ignore a dep
[02:39] <DralaFi> you use dpkg with dpkg
[02:39] <zblach> intelikey: ah. ok, i don't know then
[02:39] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap apt mostly   being a console guy
[02:39] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo like windows console panel? or alittle different?
[02:39] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap lots diff
[02:39] <Launchpad-Lap> oo
[02:40] <Dekkard> console=cli=terminal
[02:40] <Launchpad-Lap> im assuming theres no razor copperback mouse drivers for kubuntu
[02:40] <DralaFi> intelikey, i don't know much about the apt system, but if it keeps a list of packages installed, could it be possible to edit the package list, add the entry for your dependency, then dpkg, then remove the hacked dependency?
[02:40] <zblach> quick issue. on boot, my laptop drops into hibernate
[02:40] <Launchpad-Lap> !copperback
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copperback - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap   [alt] +[ctrl] +[f1]  to see a console     but remember  to  [alt] +[ctrl] +[f7]   to get back to your gui
[02:41] <intelikey> console != terminal
[02:41] <zblach> it detects the lidbutton as closed
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> i need that ubuntu book lol
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780132435949&itm=2
[02:41] <Launchpad-Lap> that one
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Dink: There?
[02:41] <Dink> yeah
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> that book wouldnt happen to be an ebook online eh?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/11/27/6086
[02:42] <Dekkard> Launchpad-Lap:  what are you trying to install?
[02:42] <bob> which works better or safer, Automatix or EasyUbuntu?
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> well i got kubuntu already installed
[02:42] <Dink> lol yeah i saw that
[02:42] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap ever look into rute   rutebook is in the repos
[02:42] <LjL> bob: probably easyubuntu. but best is reading the documentation
[02:42] <Launchpad-Lap> i just want a book to help me thru it
[02:43] <LjL> http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:43] <Dink> bbl
[02:43] <Dink> gtg
[02:43] <Launchpad-Lap> rutebook?
[02:43] <Dekkard> through what?
[02:43] <intelikey> !rutebook
[02:43] <ubotu> rutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[02:43] <Dekkard> it is a pretty broad subject
[02:43] <Launchpad-Lap> eh i would prefer something close just to kubuntu/ubuntu
[02:44] <intelikey> chances are it's covered in rute
[02:44] <DaSkreech> k
[02:44] <DaSkreech> later  all
[02:44] <Launchpad-Lap> well would i beable to get rutebook from?
[02:44] <ryanakca> why are my keyboard layouts... gone? SysSet -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout. They're all gone...
[02:45] <intelikey> read what the bot just said
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap>  rutebook: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (edgy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> no location lol
[02:45] <zblach> where would I find button state information?
[02:45] <intelikey> yes there is
[02:45] <intelikey> lol
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> well online dont count
[02:45] <Dekkard> you need to go into edit software sources/repositories and add universe
[02:45] <intelikey> and lol the location is In component multiverse  lol
[02:45] <Launchpad-Lap> some help lol
[02:45] <Dekkard> oops multiverse..what he said!!!
[02:45] <intelikey> as in the multiverse repository  lol
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> just let me get my 5th dimensional travling jeep out
[02:46] <Dekkard> dood
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm its coming up at the debian site
[02:46] <jdiwnab> bah, only 5 dimentions
[02:46] <Launchpad-Lap> is that correct?
[02:47] <intelikey> !repos | Launchpad-Lap
[02:47] <ubotu> Launchpad-Lap: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:47] <Launchpad-Lap> yeah; X,Y,Z, Time, and Multiverse
[02:47] <Launchpad-Lap> why u ignoreing me :(
[02:47] <Dekkard> cant he just run synaptic..and edit the sources from there?
[02:47] <intelikey> Dekkard if he installs synaptic
[02:48] <Dekkard> Launchpad-Lap:  open a terminal
[02:48] <Launchpad-Lap> "our good behavor will be rewarded with love and plutominal
[02:48] <logicalbomb> !dpkg
[02:48] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[02:48] <intelikey> Dekkard if he reads that link it'll walk him throught it in adept
[02:48] <Dekkard> its called konsole
[02:48] <Dekkard> k..
[02:48] <Dekkard>  i just wouldnt want to resort to that old #linux addage of rt(fill in the blank) m
[02:49] <Launchpad-Lap> ok console is open
[02:49] <Dekkard> type this sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:49] <logicalbomb> !synaptic
[02:49] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[02:49] <Dekkard> groovy
[02:50] <Dekkard> man
[02:50] <Launchpad-Lap> eh
[02:50] <intelikey> !adept
[02:50] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:50] <Dekkard> adept crashes in my kde install..
[02:50] <Dekkard> it just goes kaflooey
[02:50] <intelikey> Dekkard edgy ?
[02:50] <Dekkard> yip
[02:50] <Launchpad-Lap> i got "E: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - opem (11 Resource temp unavailable)
[02:50] <intelikey> figgers
[02:51] <Dekkard> do you have any other package tool open?
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> i think my apdept manager is killing it
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> yea
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> apt
[02:51] <Dekkard> thats why
[02:51] <Launchpad-Lap> hmm why is it that u can only have one package tool open?
[02:51] <Dekkard> cuz dey uses the same resources
[02:52] <Dekkard> er sumpin
[02:52] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo
[02:52] <DralaFi> goodnight everyone
[02:52] <Dekkard> nighters
[02:52] <Launchpad-Lap> nite
[02:53] <Dekkard> anyone here use konversation?
[02:53] <bob> QUESTION: Automatix or EasyUbuntu?
[02:53] <Dekkard> answer: brew yer own
[02:53] <Skrot_> Dekkard: I do
[02:54] <Dekkard> you like it.. its osrt of like xchat lite
[02:54] <Skrot_> I've loved it since the first release :)
[02:54] <Dekkard> koo
[02:54] <Skrot_> Better than xchat imo. Closer to mIRC for windows
[02:54] <n8k99> yes Dekkard
[02:54] <Dekkard> eeeeeee
[02:54] <Dekkard> and thats a good thing?
[02:54] <Dekkard> kidding
[02:54] <Skrot_> ofcourse ;)
[02:55] <Dekkard> i use a java client sometimes that is even more mirc like.. you can have multiple windows..
[02:55] <intelikey> ok anyone sharp on "aptitude" ?    how to mark a package as forbiden.
[02:55] <Dekkard> almost time for "Heros"
[02:56] <Dekkard> kachow!
[03:03] <bob> where was Brandon Holtsclaw? i thought this was a presentation by him
[03:05] <bob> tomorrow i may want to attend Ask Mark Shuttleworth, how will that chatroom be designated?
[03:08] <matrix> hi i still have trouble with my sound. hda intel ad198x (that's what aplay -l says)
[03:08] <matrix> it seems to be recognized correct
[03:08] <matrix> and it is a fifty fifty chance if it plays sound after start up
[03:09] <matrix> but as soon as i touch the wave volume settings in kmixer i don't hear anything any more
[03:09] <matrix> i am confused
[03:13] <dogg07> hey i just got kubuntu and im trying to figure how to get on the net can some one help please?
[03:14] <dogg07> im me please..
[03:14] <dogg07> can some one help me?
[03:15] <dogg07> anyone?
[03:15] <matrix> dogg07: do you have knetworkmanager installed?
[03:15] <intelikey> howto make an empty .deb ?
[03:16] <dogg07> i dont know i got the kubuntu instaltion disk and installed its self?
[03:16] <dogg07> my laptop has wireless modem.
[03:16] <dogg07> so how do i set this up?
[03:17] <intelikey> !wifi
[03:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:17] <intelikey> !ndiswarper
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndiswarper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <dogg07> i have both xp hime and kubuntu wifi yes..
[03:18] <intelikey> !ndiswraper
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndiswraper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:18] <naught101> !ndiswrapper
[03:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:18] <matrix> in the kde start menu->internet do you have knetworkmanager there?
[03:19] <intelikey> never mind me... i'm still trying to learn how to make an empty .deb
[03:19] <matrix> dogg07: if not i'd recommend to install it via adept manager
[03:19] <intelikey> matrix install it from where ?
[03:20] <dogg07> its says something about susi?
[03:20] <matrix> adept manager, package manager: kde menue->system->adept manager ...
[03:20] <matrix> ui frontend to apt
[03:21] <dogg07> ok brb ill  look..
[03:21] <intelikey> matrix yeah without the network..... right.
[03:21] <eneried> hello boys
[03:21] <eneried> i need a little help
[03:22] <matrix> intelikey: adept manager is not for network setup
[03:22] <matrix> intelikey: of course you can install your packages right away from the internet when you are connected
[03:25] <eneried> i need to fix the characters in my tty mode, i can't read accents or words in other languages, because tty shows them like question marks, or yen symbols or other things,
[03:25] <eneried> this not occurs with dapper, but with edgy does
[03:26] <naught101> anyone know if it's safe to delete all the socket-* and cache-* folders from /home/me/.kde/
[03:26] <naught101> ?
[03:26] <intelikey> matrix what part of this are we not communicating on,   if the network is down and the install CD did not install an app  what are the chances of that app being installabel from the cd ?
[03:27] <Launchpad-Lap> ooo man im messedged up my somas hittinhg me
[03:27] <naught101> intelikey: matrix seemed to be talking to dogg07
[03:27] <naught101> keep your eyes peeled
[03:28] <Launchpad-Lap> lool
[03:28] <matrix> intelikey: i don't know if knetworkmanager is on the cd/dvd
[03:28] <dogg07> whats up do u need to load and programs off the dick to get wifi working or what?
[03:28] <intelikey> naught101 and i seem to be talking to him keep your just as peeled.
[03:28] <khatahn> hi, sometimes when i enter a website with firefox, the firefox window is not updated unless i resize it. that is, if it was blank before entering the website, it stays blank until i resize the window. anyone else experienced this problem?
[03:28] <dogg07> disks opps..
[03:29] <matrix> dogg07: do you have the knetworkmanager installed?
[03:29] <intelikey> matrix exactly.  and if he cant get to the network   you don't tell him to install something off the network to fix it so he can get to the network....   not if there is any other way.   that's all i was saying.
[03:30] <matrix> intelikey: what do i know if this app is on the cd or not?
[03:31] <matrix> dogg07: is it possible for  you to conncet via wire to the internet until you have your wlan up and running
[03:31] <intelikey> now you're talking.
[03:33] <dogg07> im on wifi with xp right now?
[03:34] <intelikey> dogg07 you can't fix linux from M$ xp      can you connect to the internet in any fassion from linux  as it is now ?
[03:34] <dogg07> do i rebbot and got kubuntu and set it up there?
[03:34] <matrix> dogg07: on the same machine you want to setup kubuntu?
[03:34] <dogg07> no.
[03:35] <matrix> dogg07: do you know what wireless network card you have?
[03:35] <dogg07> mabey dial up thats what i keep getting?
[03:35] <intelikey> dogg07 then you should dl the web pages that ubotu is about to show you and save them where you can read them from linux.
[03:35] <matrix> dogg07: so you have two machines. one you use to chat on the other you want to configure wifi
[03:36] <intelikey> !wifi | dogg07
[03:36] <ubotu> dogg07: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:36] <dogg07> no i just know i have a compaq presario m2000.
[03:37] <dogg07> no both programs are split one mashine..
[03:38] <matrix> dogg07: how is your wifi setup? wpa? wep? did you setup your router?
[03:38] <dogg07> no i just got the machine and it was allready set up?
[03:39] <dogg07> so do i need to change it in windows or kubuntu?
[03:40] <matrix> dogg07: you would have to set it up in kubuntu
[03:40] <dogg07> ok i guess ill try again ?this isnt easy?
[03:40] <matrix> dogg07: the easiest way would be to connect your laptop for the setup procedure directly to your router via ethernetcable
[03:41] <matrix> dogg07: another way is to use the command line
[03:41] <dogg07> dont hav an eathernet cable got dsl in the houe and it connects that way
[03:41] <matrix> dogg07: or to install networkmanager manually by downloading the required packages under windows and using an usbstick or your mounted windows partition to install them under linux
[03:42] <matrix> dogg07: do you have an usb stick?
[03:42] <dogg07> no?
[03:42] <dogg07> wait y
[03:42] <dogg07> mabey it came with a camera.
[03:43] <matrix> with it you could transfere the requirred packages to ubuntu
[03:43] <matrix> dogg07: are you at least slightly familiar with the command line?
[03:43] <dogg07> ok got a flash reader usb stick?
[03:44] <Launchpad-Lap> is there anyway to make kubuntu a server?
[03:44] <dogg07> wer du i down load network manager?
[03:44] <matrix> dogg07: here you can download the network manager http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/knetworkmanager
[03:45] <matrix> dogg07: klick i386 in the download table
[03:45] <dogg07> down loade and reboot or what?
[03:45] <matrix> dogg07: you see there some requirred files like network-manager (>= 0.6.2) and so on
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: those packages are mandatory to install the network manager
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: it relies on them and the have to be installed before
[03:46] <intelikey> Launchpad-Lap sure something like    dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 > list    edit list and remove the first three lines.   then   for Q in `cat list` ;do apt-get -y remove $Q ;done       that will remove ALL non essential packages.  then just add what you need.
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: this is a painfull way i admit because you have to take care of it your own
[03:46] <dogg07> ok so do i download to usb stick? the reeboot and install?
[03:46] <matrix> dogg07: normaly adept manager or apt would do it
[03:47] <matrix> you have to install the *.deb files (deb is the file extension of packages)
[03:47] <Launchpad-Lap> no answer:_(\]
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: in kubuntu you open a command line and enter
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: sudo dpkg -i NameOfDebFile
[03:47] <matrix> dogg07: it might tell you that you are missing some more files so you would have to download them also
[03:48] <matrix> dogg07: i'd say as you seem to be very new to linux
[03:48] <matrix> dogg07: do your self a favour and get a ethernet cable. ubuntu is real comfortable once you got your network running.
[03:49] <intelikey> !lamp | Launchpad-Lap
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad-Lap: lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[03:50] <dogg07> yes new to linux but everyone has said itd better xp..
[03:50] <intelikey> heep mo' betta' 'n good !
[03:51] <Launchpad-Lap> !lamb
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lamb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <Launchpad-Lap> !lamp
[03:51] <ubotu> lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL.  For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP  -  See also the Server CD install menu.
[03:52] <matrix> dogg07: it is. please don't give up
[03:52] <Launchpad-Lap> what proggie is used for email?
[03:53] <dogg07> im not ill try it and dee what happens i dont wanto go to dial up again.
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: kmail, evolution, thunderbird, mutt, and many many others
[03:56] <robotgeek> Launchpad-Lap: i prefer to use kmail, it is very nice
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> i mean server program for email
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> sorry
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: postfix
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> with the shipit cd - it comes with ubuntu server
[03:56] <Launchpad-Lap> right?
[03:56] <Hawkwind> Launchpad-Lap: There is also sendmail, but postfix will give you less headaches
[03:57] <robotgeek> uggh, postfix smtp relay is extremely difficult
[03:57] <Hawkwind> robotgeek: No it's not
[03:57] <logicalbomb> i installed that 3d desk viewer
[03:57] <logicalbomb> and have no idea how to install it
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Maybe for some, but not for everyone
[03:58] <robotgeek> Hawkwind: i gave up and used nbsmtp
[03:58] <Hawkwind> logicalbomb: You installed it but you have no idea how to install it ?
[03:58] <logicalbomb> no I installed it from adept manager via GUI and have no idea how to get it to work?
[03:58] <logicalbomb> lol
[03:58] <Hawkwind> robotgeek: The postfix docs are quite simple to follow and understand.  Nothing too hard about it
[03:58] <Launchpad-Lap> sweet.. my somas kicked in so i will ask the same question tomorrow
[03:59] <robotgeek> Hawkwind: yeah, i managed to do it finally, it was tough cause ssl and all that stuff had to be setup
[04:02] <logicalbomb> Hawkwind:  it says it's installed but it doesn't exactly function.
[04:07] <logicalbomb> /var/lib/dpkg/lock is in use?
[04:08] <logicalbomb> how do I get that to free up?
[04:11] <metatecque> I have a question/problem - I keep getting an error when I try to do anything as root - "Conversation with su failed" does anybody have any idea what this could be?
[04:18] <metatecque> I have a question/problem - I keep getting an error when I try to do anything as root - "Conversation with su failed" does anybody have any idea what this could be?
[04:21] <spurcell-portabl> I have a strange symptom when using my Dell Latitude D600 running Kubuntu LTS and trying to use a video projector through the external video port.  Using every projector I've tried (different models of Dell projectors), every resolution I've tried, and every Monitor type I've used for the second monitor, I always have a strip of pixels on the right side of the laptop screen that are not seen on the projected screen.  What
[04:21] <spurcell-portabl> could cause this?
[04:24] <matrix> how can i find the available parameters of a kernel module?
[04:25] <spurcell-portabl> metatecque: I haven't seek that, but does this help? http://www.michaelphipps.com/2006-11-15/kubuntu-fix-conversation-with-su-failed-and-forgotten-password.html
[04:26] <metatecque> actually  I found it in the ubuntu forums - thanks anyway
[04:27] <logicalbomb> if I source install I should be able to get GLX working right
[04:28] <logicalbomb> ''''
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gffffgft
[04:28] <logicalbomb> g
[04:28] <logicalbomb> fFFgtfff
[04:28] <logicalbomb> '
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gggF'
[04:28] <logicalbomb> ggTF
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gtf'
[04:28] <logicalbomb> gtf
[04:28] <logicalbomb> sorry
[04:28] <purpleposeidon> your logic in undeniable.
[04:28] <logicalbomb> my 2 year old found my computer while I was AFK
[04:29] <spurcell-portabl> :-)
[04:29] <spurcell-portabl> Starting him/her early!
[04:29] <logicalbomb> at least he has initiative, maybe he'll be the next computer nerd of the family
[04:29] <purpleposeidon> learning to type before learning to talk!
[04:30] <logicalbomb> lol, exactly, with linux you have to start them early
[04:30] <spurcell-portabl> My (now) five year old learned his alphabet from a linux game when he was 2.
[04:30] <logicalbomb> otherwise the world taints them to the world of windows
[04:30] <purpleposeidon> Start him right, keep him away from windows
[04:30] <luca> hi everyone
[04:30] <logicalbomb> spurcell-portabl: i'm building them a linux box to learn japanese, typing, and the alphabet
[04:30] <luca> has anybody experienced ooffice and/or firefox crashes?
[04:30] <spurcell-portabl> Cool.
[04:31] <logicalbomb> spurcell-portabl: the mom's japanese, it wasn't negotiable
[04:31] <galathalion> is there a command or something to show the desktop?
[04:32] <robotgeek> galathalion: there is an applet, to show desktop
[04:32] <spurcell-portabl> galathalion: not sure what you mean... like minimize all other windows to reveal it?  Or like open it in a file browser?
[04:33] <Jucato> galathalion: you can also press Ctrl+Alt=D
[04:33] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+D
[04:33] <spurcell-portabl> Any X gurus watching?
[04:34] <galathalion> robotgeek: an applet?
[04:34] <galathalion> spurcell-portabl: yes minimize all windows
[04:34] <Jucato> galathalion: right-click on the panel -> Add Applets to Panel -> Show Desktop applet
[04:35] <galathalion> Jucato: sweetness.. thank you
[04:35] <logicalbomb> my wife and recipes online
[04:35] <logicalbomb> she's going to drive me nuts!
[04:36] <logicalbomb> how the hell do you make healthy cookies?
[04:37] <logicalbomb> why does it give you a can not open lock file error?
[04:37] <logicalbomb> !lock file
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock file - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <logicalbomb> !13 permission
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 13 permission - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <deitarion> In order to just throw in my two cents on the topic I had to leave (not to change the subject), I'm "conditionally" vegan (I make an exception for the occasional cheese pizza) for two main reasons: First, because it's less wasteful (Think "trophic levels") of growing space. Second, because it's easier on my digestive system. (my as a personal reference, not as a reference to humans in general)
[04:38] <logicalbomb> !/var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about var/lib/dpkg/lock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:39] <logicalbomb> um it does that when I fail to use the sudo command
[04:39] <logicalbomb> my bad
[04:39] <logicalbomb> !nvidia-glx
[04:39] <luca> nobody with troubles using FF or OOO? I am going nuts with them crashing!
[04:39] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+<IP_ADDRESS>-1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[04:40] <deitarion> luca: Sorry. I use Konqueror, wvWare, and LyX... and I don't currently have any active Kubuntu installs. (though I have one planned)
[04:41] <spurcell-portabl> luca: Haven't had problems here.
[04:41] <luca> I have had six ooo crashes this afternoon
[04:41] <norbert> My yakuake opens and automatically hides again -> it seems that this behaviour is mostly related to another window already being open on the workspace. Someone encounter this? or have a suggestion on fixing it?
[04:41] <luca> would it not be for the recover feature, I would be tearing it apart!
[04:42] <logicalbomb> how do you exit the X-Server?
[04:42] <logicalbomb> cntrl-alt-F1?
[04:42] <logicalbomb> !X Server
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about X Server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <logicalbomb> !X-server
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about X-server - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <spurcell-portabl> ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:43] <norbert> haha - it worked :-)
[04:44] <norbert> its been a *long* day; anywho, someone notice this yakuake issue? It kind of defeats the purpose if I have to find an empty workspace to open it :-/
[04:44] <logicalbomb> cntrl+alt+backspace didnt work out too well for me
[04:45] <spurcell-portabl> What did it do?  You disappeared from here -- so I figured it worked...
[04:46] <spurcell-portabl> Exiting the X-session would necessarily close (and normally restart) KDE.
[04:47] <peanutb> how do i make virtual desktops not share the same windows?
[04:49] <luca> eight crashes
[04:49] <luca> I am kinda beginning to enrage
[04:49] <luca> :(
[04:51] <_kuja_> eight crashes huh? Which thing crashed?
[04:51] <luca> open office
[04:52] <luca> it is REALLY disturbing >_<
[04:53] <peanutb> how do i separate virtual desktops like in gnome?
[04:54] <T3hWiz0rd> I got a new harddrive... I am guessing there is no way to simply copy all of the content of this drive over to it and have it simply ready to go out of the box eh?
[04:54] <T3hWiz0rd> outside of mirror raiding that is
[04:54] <Jucato> peanutb: in the taskbar? right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Taskbar options -> uncheck "Show windows from all desktops"
[04:55] <peanutb> ok
[04:56] <peanutb> thanks
[04:56] <logicalbomb> I installed my kernel-source files
[04:57] <logicalbomb> but the nvidia-linux installer wont recognize it
[04:57] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: are you trying to use nvidias official drivers off their site?
[04:57] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, youprobably will need to do another install, but copying all the data to that drive shouldent be hard.
[04:57] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: well its in a usb shell right now and i can't seem to format the MF pos
[04:57] <logicalbomb> yes I am
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: those can be problematic on kubuntu
[04:58] <logicalbomb> oh
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> *can be*
[04:58] <logicalbomb> well should I go to the original install
[04:58] <logicalbomb> apt-get nvidia-confg
[04:58] <logicalbomb> xorg
[04:58] <logicalbomb> however that is
[04:58] <T3hWiz0rd> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:58] <logicalbomb> it screws up when I boot into my login
[04:59] <logicalbomb> I have it installed when I switch to the Nvidia driver and restart it gives me screwed up graphics at login
[04:59] <T3hWiz0rd> kubuntu does things an odd way... its hard to explain it in some cases.
[04:59] <logicalbomb> haven't tried to F1 login then F7 to boot back in
[05:00] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, you might just put it into your computer, and format it that way.
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmm true that
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: what worries me is i think my boot sector is on the damned windows harddrive lol
[05:00] <T3hWiz0rd> and i'd need to format it in windows to make sure it gets doen the way I'd like it.
[05:01] <PsiKloPx> Hiya - what's the linux equivalent to windows "ipconfig"?
[05:01] <T3hWiz0rd> I have a primary domain controller on my network, peanutb... so I may just copy all contnet of this computer to it and then back over once the install is done.... pretty easy in and of its own as well
[05:01] <eilker> ifconfig
[05:02] <voker57> hi
[05:02] <PsiKloPx> thanx!
[05:02] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: i do, however, hate having to back stuff up via network... it is t3h sl0wnizz
[05:02] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, thats what i did for mylaptop.
[05:02] <voker57> Can you tell me where i can find "x11-dev"?
[05:02] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: especially considering it'd be backing up close to 60GB
[05:03] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, wooo. Id use a usb HD.
[05:03] <T3hWiz0rd> hmmmm
[05:03] <logicalbomb> t3hwiz0rd:  I installed the pack but i'm not sure how it will react on the reboot
[05:03] <eilker> voker57: package or folder ?
[05:03] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: i wonder.... I have a ide-to-usb hdd casing
[05:04] <voker57> eilker: package
[05:04] <logicalbomb> my wife just freaked out because she found out our printer was color
[05:04] <logicalbomb> is that all it takes?
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: woman are simple.
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: like macs... give them something useless to do and they'll do it good with joy.
[05:04] <peanutb> T3hWiz0rd, that'll work
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: let me boot into the dreaded WIND0ZE!!!#!@!@!@!~#!@#!@
[05:04] <T3hWiz0rd> and see what magic i can work up
[05:04] <voker57> "libx11-dev" is that it?
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> what worries me is windows won't be able to see that drive clearly cos its linux EX3
[05:05] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  any advice on getting 3ddesktop to work?
[05:05] <logicalbomb> !3ddesktop
[05:05] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: my advice is not using 3ddesktops
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> they're unstable, beta, and rather bugy
[05:05] <logicalbomb> lag
[05:05] <T3hWiz0rd> thy can really mess up your linux install and lead to many unpleasant buggies
[05:05] <eilker> voker57: most probably, pls its explanation
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> also, htey lock up openGL
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> so if you go to launch another application that uses openGL
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> you can crash the computer
[05:06] <logicalbomb> t3hWiz0rd: uninstalling now
[05:06] <voker57> eilker: some program requires it to build
[05:06] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: it depends on video card
[05:06] <eilker> voker57: dont you use adept ?
[05:06] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: its still buggy...
[05:07] <voker57> eilker: i do.
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> theres no use in doing it on a computer that he might use for actual production.
[05:07] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: i have onboard video card, and no problem
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: it doesn't change the fact that 3d desktops are not stable.
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> i can make my car run on 2 quarts of oil
[05:07] <eilker> voker57: so install all packages..what is the problem now?
[05:07] <T3hWiz0rd> doesn't make it a good idea.
[05:08] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: in fact i installed it, but i dont use it
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> like i said eilker
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> its like saying i can make my car run on two quarts of oil...
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> I know i can, but its still a dumb idea.
[05:08] <T3hWiz0rd> there is nothing productive in 3d desktops that make the problems and bugs worth while yet.
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: but i think that it also depends ram and video card
[05:09] <logicalbomb> i'm on a Go5700
[05:09] <logicalbomb> why risk it
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: in fact good utility
[05:09] <logicalbomb> the drivers barely work right for me
[05:09] <logicalbomb> lol
[05:09] <T3hWiz0rd> eilker: no, its a known fact that 3d desktops tie up openGL and launching another openGL application can crash it.
[05:09] <eilker> tT3hWiz0rd: oftenly crashes...
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> linux is an odd beast...
[05:10] <T3hWiz0rd> it doesn't like certain things, at all.
[05:10] <dennister> ok, real problem i hope to get help with: i think I've got another x-session going that I can't shut down, so my /tmp directory is growing at each reboot instead of being emptied
[05:11] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: if you wanna play with 3d desktops, make a small non-production computer that you can use to play with it.  have a P3 800MHz with 1GB of ram and 256 megs of video that i have beryl on
[05:11] <dennister> what to do?
[05:11] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: and thats all i do with it... Gentoo with customizations, its a non production box.
[05:12] <logicalbomb> this box is my experimental steps into linux
[05:12] <logicalbomb> kubuntu's been the best distro i've ever used
[05:12] <logicalbomb> it made my laptop into a linux machine for good
[05:12] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: then you can do it. But if you've only got one linux box i always recommend making a second
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> and naming it "b0rkerbox" on your network lol
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> something to just destroy
[05:13] <logicalbomb> i'm building a second for my kids to use
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: one of the problems related to your video erros might be that you installed the kubuntu drivers off of apt and then did the official drivers
[05:13] <T3hWiz0rd> when i did that, i borked kubuntu beyond reason.
[05:14] <eilker> dennister: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: dell has some really cheap 300 dollar computers that i buy every now and then to play with, break them, then sell them
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: but i also work for a company that has Casstle and Cooke homes as a client... I get a lot of their old computers.
[05:14] <peanutb> why not just build your own?
[05:14] <T3hWiz0rd> many are actually pretty nice.
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: for my main boxes and servers i do build my own
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> but building my own isn't as cheap as a 200 dollar dell lol
[05:15] <peanutb> its gotten cheeper lately
[05:15] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  I work for a fed agent and he dumps dban worked comps on me
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> ah
[05:15] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: still not as cheap as what dell can assemble one of their bucket PC's for
[05:16] <T3hWiz0rd> peanutb: and considering i eventually just recycle the parts and build something better out of them... tis not bad.
[05:16] <T3hWiz0rd> I'm not fond over dells motherboards but... it could be worse.
[05:16] <joecoder> Probably a funny question, but is there a way to have my apps store their settings somewhere else besides /home/myname ?
[05:17] <T3hWiz0rd> joecoder: errr... 0.o
[05:17] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  What do you do for living
[05:17] <joecoder> I prefer to have show hidden files enabled but the folder is just to cluttered.  Putting them in a subfolder would make life much easier.
[05:17] <peanutb> T3Wiz0rd, celerons have an odd way of frying
[05:17] <peanutb> like potatoes
[05:17] <T3hWiz0rd> logicalbomb: system administration data recovery and linux management
[05:17] <logicalbomb> dennister: you're canadian aren't you?
[05:17] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  i'm a network admin for multiple law firms around here, and a couple fed agents
[05:18] <wizard> logicalbomb: im going into the navy for their stuff eventually
[05:18] <logicalbomb> T3hWiz0rd:  Learning linux for fun will probably turn it into prophit soon, i'm one of those "MSCE" punks
[05:18] <wizard> logicalbomb: switched computers lol
[05:18] <logicalbomb> wizard:  Into the navy?  you're young then
[05:19] <joecoder> it seems like the user app settings path should be an environment variable or something.
[05:19] <wizard> logicalbomb: yeah, i am
[05:19] <wizard> logicalbomb: i got in the right place at the right time and knew the right people
[05:19] <murchadh_bhaba>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[05:20] <joecoder> Am I the only one that finds it frustrating to find my own files and folders among about 100 app settings folders in /home/user ?
[05:20] <wizard> joecoder: . folders should be hidden
[05:20] <_kuja_> only if you have show hidden files turned on
[05:20] <wizard> joecoder: unless you're using a GTK app or gnome, which doesn't respect stuff
[05:20] <bkudria> can someone help me get the google search textbox back on my konqueror toolbar?  i can't seem to figure out how to add it ...
[05:20] <joecoder> I prefer it off.
[05:21] <seven> is somebody using xara extrem?
[05:21] <joecoder> as customizeable as linux is, I assumed there'd be a way.  I'll just toggle hidden files on and off as I need it I guess.
[05:21] <logicalbomb> i'm afraid to reboot my system after putting that Nvidia Driver in place
[05:21] <logicalbomb> i feel another recovery to the NV driver comming on.
[05:22] <joecoder> logicalbomb: backup Xorg.conf and replace the old version via cmd line if fail?
[05:22] <Jucato> bkudria: 1) check if it's enabled: Settings -> Configure Extensions -> Search Bar Plugin
[05:22] <wizard> godspeed, t3hwiz0rd... godspeed lol
[05:22] <logicalbomb> i did dpkg command last time and recovered resolution and driver
[05:23] <excitatory> logicalbomb: why would you reboot your computer..?  restart x.
[05:23] <logicalbomb> excitatory:  Because i'm not in the mood to fix it yet
[05:23] <bkudria> Jucato: it is...what next?
[05:23] <Jucato> bkudria: if it's enabled, check if it's currently added to the toolbar, Settings -> Configure Toolbars, look for the Search Toolbar and see if the "Search Bar" actions is in the Current actions side
[05:25] <Jucato> bkudria: the Search Toolbar will only appear if you're in Web Browser mode (viewing a web page, not a folder/directory)
[05:25] <seven> how do i get plug ins in xara extrem do i have to buy it. it a multiverse package but i can adept the 0.7 version, no plugins???
[05:26] <bkudria> Jucato: aha, got it
[05:26] <Jucato> :)
[05:26] <bkudria> Jucato: thanks a lot!
[05:26] <joecoder> aw, no symlinks across devices.
[05:27] <logicalbomb> man oh man everytime I switch driver "nvidia" in the xorg.conf it screws up terribly!
[05:27] <Jucato> joecoder: if the device isn't formatted in a Linux FS, or if you're trying to make symlinks using media:/
[05:27] <joecoder> media:/, yeah
[05:28] <Jucato> joecoder: try using /media instead :)
[05:28] <RawSushi> question...I set up an nvidia driver..but I just got a new nvidia video card
[05:28] <RawSushi> how do I get it working?
[05:28] <joecoder> I think I did.  I was trying to add my home folder in windows under my linux home folder.
[05:28] <RawSushi> I had an old one
[05:28] <RawSushi> I set up the driver
[05:28] <RawSushi> then I got a new card
[05:28] <RawSushi> so the driver isn't working now
[05:28] <logicalbomb> that doesn't even make since?
[05:28] <Jucato> joecoder: I think you can, but not the other way around
[05:29] <RawSushi> ?
[05:29] <logicalbomb> !nvidia
[05:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:29] <logicalbomb> check that out
[05:29] <RawSushi> I have to do it all over again?
[05:29] <joecoder> jucato; let me try swapping the order of my arguments, etc.
[05:29] <joecoder> Jucato: invalid cross-device link either way
[05:30] <Jucato> joecoder: hm.. let me try...
[05:30] <logicalbomb> more then likley
[05:30] <logicalbomb> it isn't that bad of a process is it?
[05:30] <logicalbomb> other then I can't get myne working ribght
[05:30] <logicalbomb> right*
[05:30] <logicalbomb> lol
[05:30] <logicalbomb> and thats regular drivers not beta from nvidia
[05:30] <Jucato> joecoder: no problems here. how are you making the symlink btw?
[05:31] <joecoder> Jucato: sudo link /home/myfiles /media/windows/MyFiles
[05:31] <Jucato> joecoder: you're trying to make a hard link, not a symlink
[05:31] <joecoder> ah, ok
[05:32] <joecoder> thought a hard link was a symlink.
[05:32] <Jucato> nope
[05:32] <joecoder> and then shortcuts (a windows term I guess) was something different.
[05:32] <joecoder> but on ntfs, isn't a symbolic link the same as a hard link?
[05:32] <joecoder> and how do I do a symbolic link?
[05:33] <Jucato> lol I suddenly forgot :)
[05:33] <Jucato> joecoder: you don't want drag and drop?
[05:34] <luca> by the way, I would make my ntfs partition writable in kubuntu?
[05:34] <joecoder> dragging and dropping in konqueror just moves or copies the folders, correct?
[05:34] <luca> pls no warning on the dangers, I am aware :)
[05:34] <Jucato> joecoder: nope, unless you pick Move or Copy from the popup
[05:35] <joecoder> Jucato: perfect! thanks.
[05:35] <Jucato> joecoder: when you drag and drop a file/folder to a different place, a popup will appear, asking you if you want to Move, Copy, or Link
[05:36] <joecoder> Jucato: now, when I delete will it just break the link?
[05:37] <Jucato> joecoder: delete which one?
[05:37] <joecoder> luca: I have ntfs writing enabled. Found a guide on the net although I don't have the link any more. I think I originally saw it on digg if that helps.
[05:37] <joecoder> Jucato: The link and not the original.
[05:37] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: You'll need the Givre ntfs-3g driver installed. Then use the mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/??? /MountPoint
[05:37] <Jucato> joecoder: if you delete the link, it will be gone. no link, nothing broken. if you delete the original, the link will point to an invalid location, then it's broken
[05:38] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: where do I find the driver? synaptic?
[05:38] <luca> and thanks in any case :)
[05:38] <logicalbomb> I want to launch an FTP Server from my house
[05:38] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Give me a minute, I'll see if I can find the repository details.
[05:38] <luca> thanks!
[05:38] <logicalbomb> !FTP
[05:38] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[05:40] <logicalbomb> konqueror has FTP
[05:40] <logicalbomb> ?
[05:40] <logicalbomb> how do I use that one
[05:40] <logicalbomb> oh
[05:40] <logicalbomb> that isn't a server duh
[05:40] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: ftp://foo.server.net
[05:40] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: use proftpd
[05:41] <luca> logicalbomb: and for uploading, I highly recommend kftgrabber
[05:41] <robotgeek> konqueror
[05:42] <robotgeek> konqueror is awesome :)
[05:43] <logicalbomb> i tried to install proftpd
[05:43] <logicalbomb> IPv6 getaddrinfo error
[05:45] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list and it should show in adept/synaptic - deb-src http://givre.cabspace.com/ubuntu/ dapper main
[05:47] <luca> thanks!
[05:48] <joecoder> ok, who wants to help me get my wireless working (probably most common question after video drivers, eh?)
[05:48] <joecoder> well, I'm almost finished with an adept update, who knows, maybe it'll just work this time.
[05:49] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Any problems do a search for Givre and ntfs-3g; just in case there is a key to download from their server.
[05:49] <luca> no way :(
[05:49] <luca> mount failed
[05:49] <luca> uh wait
[05:50] <luca> me stupid
[05:50] <luca> done
[05:50] <luca> :)
[05:51] <joecoder> surely not!  "bash: gcc: command not found"
[05:51] <luca> finally! thanks a lot, I missed it :)
[05:51] <joecoder> where's my gcc?
[05:52] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Did you get it going?
[05:52] <ergoproxy> heya, anyone know how i can get the 'recently used items' in the K menu?
[05:52] <joecoder> well, update finished
[05:52] <joecoder> hopefully the reboot works.
[05:53] <_kuja_> ergoproxy, right click on the panel, configure panel, the menus tab
[05:53] <ergoproxy> excellent... thanks!
[05:55] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: yeah perfectly
[05:59] <joecoder> Ugh... too many annoyances.  Just finished an update (including kernel).  Computer didn't shut down on it's own so I had to do a hard reset (it's happened before), Grub comes up and seems to have removed windows from the list (happens every time after a kernel update), and when I do get back into kde, I have to do sudo etho0 down, sudo eth0 up to get netowrk working again.
[05:59] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: Legend! I was waiting years for ntfs write access. Invaluable!
[05:59] <joecoder> and now my kopete settings have been changed and all these chat messages look all funky.
[06:00] <joecoder> and my wireless still doesn't work.
[06:00] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: what do you mean? have you not done it for yourself yet? sorry I fear I am misunderstanding :D
[06:02] <joecoder> why is gcc "command not found" ?
[06:03] <robotgeek> joecoder: install build-essential
[06:03] <joecoder> thanks.
[06:03] <joecoder> why did updating my kernel erase windows from grub (again) ?
[06:04] <max_> after you download 3ddesktop how do you run it?
[06:04] <murchadh_bhaba> luca: No, I have it working perfectly for about 4 or 5 months. But ntfs write capability is very new. I hope it all works as well for you as it has for me. <|;-}
[06:06] <feld> i have kubuntu edgy
[06:06] <luca> murchadh_bhaba: :)
[06:06] <max_> after you download 3ddesktop how do you run it?
[06:07] <feld> konqueror appears to be neutered and cant see anything but /home and /media
[06:07] <feld> wtf is up with that, and how do I fix it.
[06:07] <luca> View - Show hidden files
[06:08] <_kuja_> There's a special section in the grub menu.lst file called automagic, or similar. If you put the windows entries in that section they would have been erased...... they should be placed outside of that section.
[06:08] <feld> luca: that's weird as hell. who made that decision :X
[06:08] <luca> feld: someone with a practical sense
[06:09] <feld> how is that practical
[06:09] <feld> I have to unhide things now
[06:09] <luca> I do not want to see my sys folders every time, when I just need Docs and cdrom
[06:09] <luca> it is just a click...
[06:09] <joecoder> is there a way to verify menu.lst before taking the plunge?
[06:09] <feld> so Amarok can find /mnt/files because it doesnt have full Konq functionality
[06:10] <feld> /mnt/files is an NFS share of mine that has all my music
[06:10] <murchadh_bhaba> feld: There is a file called.hidden in root. Anything in here is hidden. Delete the file, and it will show all of the root directory.
[06:10] <joecoder> kuja: thanks
[06:10] <feld> murchadh_bhaba: thanks for that
[06:10] <Jucato> !hidden-root | feld
[06:10] <ubotu> feld: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[06:11] <murchadh_bhaba> feld: Type sudo kate /.hidden and you'll get the idea.
[06:11] <feld> yeah i see it
[06:11] <_kuja_> joecoder, not as far as I know.
[06:11] <feld> interesting........ anyway, thx for the tip
[06:11] <Jucato> !kdesu | murchadh_bhaba
[06:11] <ubotu> murchadh_bhaba: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:11] <joecoder> next question:  my laptop often hangs on shutdown... any logs I can check for an evil process that's hanging or something like that?
[06:12] <_kuja_> What video card drivers are you using?
[06:13] <joecoder> ati's
[06:13] <_kuja_> Thought so.
[06:13] <murchadh_bhaba> Jucato: Oops! Sorry, my bad. It should've been kdesu kate /.hidden.
[06:13] <joecoder> workaround?
[06:14] <_kuja_> I've not played with it much, so I'm not sure ... search around on the ubuntuforums  though and it won't take you long to find something on this. ATIs linux drivers are crap.
[06:15] <joecoder> I've heard that before
[06:16] <_kuja_> one workaround is to use the opensource drivers for it (ati or radeon), the other would probably involve trying a different (probably newer) version of the driver.
[06:19] <Dekkard> hmm
[06:19] <metatecque> hmm
[06:19] <Dekkard> seems .. i dunno.. is kde 3.5 buggy?
[06:20] <max_> how do i configure 3ddeskd?
[06:21] <metatecque> max_ I have tried that and made it work and honestly I don't remember
[06:21] <Dekkard> i honestly need to crash
[06:22] <max_> metaecque: it works, i just need to find out the shortcuts
[06:23] <metatecque> as I remember hmmm - alt key combo - holdon
[06:23] <Jucato> max_: you need to make your own shortcuts for running 3ddesk
[06:24] <max_> oh ok
[06:24] <fulat2k> hi folks, how do i enable the graphical boot screen for kubuntu?  it's somehow not enabled for my installation
[06:24] <Jucato> I suggest using Input Actions to create your shortcuts keys for 3ddesk
[06:25] <max_> Jucarto: is there no config in 3ddesk, can you not change the way it switches....or is the roullete wheel like thing the only way
[06:26] <Jucato> max_: run this in Konsole:  "3ddesk --help"
[06:26] <Jucato> take a look at the --mode=xxxx options
[06:27] <jodaddy> how do you get a kb shortcut to just open konqueror as filemanager? i'm looking everywhere can't find it.
[06:28] <max_> Jucarto: ithanks
[06:30] <Jucato> jodaddy: you can make an application launcher (in K Menu or in the panel) and create a keyboard shortcut for it. use this command for the launcher: kfmclient openProfile "filemanagement"
[06:35] <logicalbomb> how do you compile the kernel source after you've gotten
[06:36] <_kuja_> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelCustomBuild?highlight=%28kernel%29
[06:38] <logicalbomb> so when one you apt-get kernel-source that is updating it and compiling it for you automatically
[06:38] <logicalbomb> ?
[06:39] <Jucato> no
[06:39] <Jucato> apt-get source only downloads the source code for the package
[06:39] <logicalbomb> how do I run and compile it then?
[06:39] <Jucato> see the link _kuja_ gave above
[06:40] <logicalbomb> yeah
[06:46] <logicalbomb> it gives me an error saying that I need to be in the top level
[06:46] <logicalbomb> a top level linux kernel source directory tree
[06:46] <logicalbomb> how do I find my way there
[06:47] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: cd /usr/src/linux-xx.xxx
[06:50] <logicalbomb> the x's stand for my version right
[06:50] <logicalbomb> I can get that with uname -r
[06:51] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: sure, or whereever you ahve the sourec
[06:52] <logicalbomb> i did it to where I have the source and it gave me the same error
[06:52] <logicalbomb> and told me to upgrade it if I met this error as being wrong
[06:52] <logicalbomb> I have it upgraded, and I still recieve the error
[06:54] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: what exactly are you trying to do?
[06:54] <logicalbomb> compile the most current version of my source
[06:55] <logicalbomb> remove the old nvidia driver set, and then install the beta drivers my friend suggested
[06:55] <robotgeek> logicalbomb: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
[06:58] <jodaddy> Jucato: Thanks, works perfect :-)
[06:58] <xsacha> http://youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw :)
[06:59] <jodaddy> Jucato: Sorry, last thing, is there a param i can pass to make it go to the home folder? i know ctrl-home does that
[07:00] <Jucato> jodaddy: doesn't int open in the home folder by default already?
[07:00] <jodaddy> Jucato: Sorry, yeh it was my profile saved. Btw, the size column doesn't stay put when i save the profile. is there a fix for that?
[07:01] <Jucato> I really don't know
[07:03] <jodaddy> k, thanks for the help on the filemanager, i would of never found that command
[07:06] <jodaddy> Jucato: Ok, i promise the last thing, on windows in the "Run Command" box you can type in anything aslong as there is a shortcut to it in the system path, how do i do that?
[07:07] <Jucato> Alt+F2
[07:07] <jodaddy> no, i mean after pressing that, if i enter something like    jucato_rules   that would just open up a text file with that string in it.
[07:08] <jodaddy> well, any application really
[07:08] <Jucato> um... I'm not really sure I understand. do you mean something like Katapult? (Alt+Space)
[07:09] <jodaddy> well like on windows, i usually create the file  c:\notes.txt   then a shortcut to that file. Rename the shorcut to just "notes", then when i just do start-run-> notes it opens that text file the shortcut points to
[07:09] <jodaddy> but the shortcut "notes" has to be in the system path
[07:09] <jodaddy> well, where do i put the file?
[07:10] <robotgeek> jodaddy: it will only work in command line, which is not something you are loking for
[07:11] <jodaddy> no, but could i just put in a script vim /path/to/file & then run the script from there?
[07:11] <logicalbomb> i think i'll be smart and decide this kernel compiling stuff is over my head.
[07:11] <robotgeek> jodaddy: what you can do is setup a menu shortcut to something like kate /path/to/file, and open it using katapult
[07:12] <robotgeek> jodaddy: Right Click on K-Menu -> Menu Editor
[07:12] <jodaddy> there
[07:12] <jodaddy> k there
[07:12] <robotgeek> File -> New Item
[07:12] <jodaddy> ok
[07:12] <Jucato> or use Katapult (with the Document catalog enabled) and it will comb through whatever's in /home?
[07:12] <robotgeek> yeah, that should work
[07:13] <jodaddy> i'll have to look into Katapult
[07:13] <jodaddy> so this would be like "Katapult foo.txt" or whatever?
[07:14] <robotgeek> jodaddy: no, katapult is a launcher, so you would alt + space it, and type foo.txt
[07:14] <Jucato> jodaddy: try this, if you have some documents in /home right now: Alt+Space then start typing the  name of the document
[07:15] <robotgeek> jodaddy: yes, it works :)
[07:16] <jodaddy> o that's slick, that's realllll slick. THANK YOU!
[07:17] <RawSushi> how do I turn my microphone amplifier off?
[07:17] <RawSushi> it's on by default.
[07:17] <Jucato> jodaddy: tip: if you want to access a file which you know is in a directory under /home, you have to type in the folder name, press the left right arrow key to complete, '/' (to identify that it's a folder) then the file name
[07:17] <RawSushi> I want it off
[07:18] <robotgeek> Jucato: you know if i katapult code is in python ? :)
[07:19] <robotgeek> i want to add features, dammit!
[07:19] <Jucato> robotgeek: not really sure. ask Mez
[07:19] <robotgeek> i'll just check on website
[07:19] <robotgeek> its written in c++
[07:20] <RawSushi> anyone?
[07:20] <_kuja_> should be able to change the setting in kmix
[07:21] <RawSushi> It doesn't seem to be working.
[07:21] <RawSushi> I click the mute button.
[07:21] <RawSushi> Should be under input, right?
[07:24] <_kuja_> right
[07:25] <_kuja_> Wait a second
[07:25] <_kuja_> how do I turn my microphone amplifier off?: should be in switches: the mic boost switch
[07:26] <jodaddy> general question, when using firefox is the bouncy ball right below the cursor supposed to stay there, or did i enable that (it won't go away)
[07:26] <jodaddy> the ball is the firefox icon
[07:26] <_kuja_> It times out after a set amount of time
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: ping
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: pong
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: so i am online....
[07:30] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no you aren't
[07:30] <Jucato> I'm just psychic
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i think wikipedia isn't loading properly then
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> the last two sites i've tried stall
[07:31] <Jucato> ah
[07:31] <Admiral_Chicago> seems like the search bar in FX isn't working
[07:33] <skipjack> Good Morning ..
[07:51] <jodaddy> What's the shortcut to show the desktop? is there a icon/link i can use for this too?
[07:52] <jodaddy> well, i found the applet
[07:53] <jodaddy> thanks for all the help guys, i gotta hit the sack. You all have been very kind.
[07:57] <emonkey> johey, ctrl+alt+d
[07:57] <emonkey> ou sorry tab mistake
[07:57] <emonkey> should be jodaddy
[07:58] <edgy> Hi, I have a video dvd that I need to burn. In k3b I can't find a way to make an image of it or copy dvd option, any hint?
[07:59] <emonkey> edgy, did you try it woth the normal CD Dialog?
[07:59] <edgy> emonkey: what's that?
[07:59] <emonkey> edgy, there's should be an option "copy CD..."
[08:00] <xsacha> "Starting June 2007, PCs in French dputs' offices will be equipped with a Linux operating system and open source productivity software. ... will see 1,154 French parliamentary workstations running on an open source OS, with OpenOffice.org, Firefox and an open source email client" :P
[08:00] <xsacha> "choice of OS and email client hasn't yet been taken. "  any chance of kubuntu? ;)
[08:01] <edgy> emonkey: ah! yes I tried that but it doesn't recognize it
[08:01] <emonkey> hmk... so then I don't know sorry...
[08:02] <emonkey> hace to go
[08:02] <emonkey> bye
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> xsacha: hopefully
[08:07] <mindspin> i have problems mounting an USB Stick automatically, I can mount the stick manually after some editing of /etc/fstab, but I'd lke to act the systemm like before. Anyone else experienced the same issue? Time for a bug report?
[08:08] <lagwagon> im a convert from mac to linux, how exactly do you instal programs onto linux?
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> lagwagon: adept works well
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> have you installed multiverse/universe
[08:21] <fek> moin
[08:32] <nrdb_> how do I configure Kontact to not use bluefish as its default browser?
[08:35] <naught101> !defaultbrowser
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaultbrowser - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <naught101> !default
[08:35] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[08:38] <nuku> nrdb_: systemsettings -> default application -> web browser
[08:55] <logicalbomb> anybody here know about ATi Crossfire?
[08:58] <naught101> anyone know of a way to test your ethernet card?
[09:02] <shitoss> hi
[09:03] <jan___> Hello guys
[09:04] <jan___> I have a problem installing opengl with kubuntu any help
[09:04] <jan___> i am running a 3d software called maya on kubuntu but because of the issues with opengl
[09:05] <jan___> the draw mode is not enabled any help
[09:07] <kray^er> hello. i was wondering if ubuntu supports mirroring scsi drivers like the way with dynamic disks under windows. i have an older scsi controller that does not have raid hardware support. thank you
[09:07] <shitoss> hello , i wanna ask about files.avi  what program playing this type ????
[09:08] <shitoss> ????
[09:12] <naught101> shitoss: depends on the codec, but you'll probably need w32codecs
[09:12] <shitoss> how can i get it
[09:12] <naught101> and xine
[09:13] <naught101> apt-get install xine w32codecs
[09:13] <naught101> then neraly every player will play it
[09:13] <naught101> if you can't find w32codecs, you need to update your repositories
[09:13] <shitoss> there r also files.asf
[09:13] <naught101> !w32codecs
[09:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:15] <kray^er> hello. i was wondering if ubuntu supports mirroring scsi drivers like the way with dynamic disks under windows. i have an older scsi controller that does not have raid hardware support. thank you
[09:16] <shinobi2> anyone have ath0 wifi fix on 6.10?
[09:17] <shitoss> hey guys i have problim in my pc , the kopete messenger doesnt work i dont know why , every time i click it , loading then nothing
[09:19] <naught101> shitoss: run it from the commandline
[09:21] <shitoss> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
[09:23] <shitoss> kopete: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[09:23] <naught101> try searching for that message, in quotes, in google?
[09:23] <shitoss> thank u
[09:41] <adept_x> is it just me or is it difficult to install java on kubuntu?
[09:42] <yamal> adept_x: it's just you
[09:43] <yamal> !java
[09:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:45] <adept_x> the site ubotu referred to doesnt mention 6.10 i guess its just the same,
[09:46] <momal> Anyone have any ideas to get programs to use a proxy if it doens't have a built in proxy setting
[09:47] <adept_x> !women
[09:47] <ubotu> The women and men of the Ubuntu women project hang out in #ubuntu-women. Encouraging women to use linux? Read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ for some suggestions compiled by women who use Linux on how to do so effectively.
[09:48] <yamal> adept_x: java instructions should be the same as 6.06/dapper, see the bottom of the page
[09:48] <adept_x> ok cheers
[09:48] <_4strO`> yop
[09:59] <lolipup> hello all
[09:59] <lolipup> i have a problim login to my pc
[10:01] <lolipup> after i finished work at office program i pressed save then he gave me error and i pressed ok then the program didnt respond to any thing
[10:02] <lolipup> i tried clos it but i faild , i used command to kill and killall but he refused to close
[10:02] <lolipup> then the whole pc didnt respond
[10:02] <lolipup> i pressed restart on the cpu
[10:02] <lolipup> then
[10:03] <lolipup> every time i try to login the linux he gave me the screen of user and pass i type it
[10:03] <lolipup> he returns again to the same window
[10:03] <lolipup> i tried that 10 times to enter but he refuses
[10:03] <lolipup> so what shall i do with that problim
[10:03] <lolipup> ???????????????????????????????????
[10:04] <kray^er> is you caps lock off?
[10:04] <lolipup> yes
[10:05] <lolipup> he doesnt give me any error of pass
[10:05] <lolipup> he just pretend that he is logging in by giving me black screen then return again to the same window
[10:06] <lolipup> so what ????
[10:06] <beligum> Hello guys, what's wrong with firefox 2.0 and flash on Kubuntu, they seem to crash ??
[10:06] <beligum> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10301.new;topicseen#new
[10:07] <lolipup> hey can any one solve my problim
[10:08] <lolipup> hello there
[10:12] <skipjack> whio can I change my keyboard charset in the console and the console locales ?!
[10:13] <nyt_> how to install flash:(
[10:15] <_4strO``> http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
[10:15] <_4strO``> just follow the instructionsd
[10:16] <nyt_> i try that :(
[10:16] <_4strO``> wich browser ?
[10:16] <nyt_> but it's still no flash :(
[10:17] <nyt_> konqueror
[10:19] <nyt_> does mozilla browser will run in kubuntu?
[10:19] <mindspin> nyt it does
[10:20] <yamal> !flash9
[10:20] <ubotu> You can download a Flash 9 installer here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/backports/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy).  If you use GDebi to install it, make sure you open its terminal window (to answer an installer question).
[10:20] <_4strO``> i have install flashplayer by using automatix2
[10:20] <mindspin> and for flash support you may add commercial(?) to your sources
[10:23] <beligum> mozilla firefox crashes when loading a flash page
[10:27] <nyt_> thanks byebye
[10:32] <wizard> I lost my ibook...
[10:32] <wizard> It'll respond to pings... but I have no idea where i put it
[10:33] <momal> Anyone have any ideas to get programs to use a proxy if it doens't have a built in proxy setting
[10:34] <lenscape> !vmware
[10:34] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[10:34] <yamal> momal: tsocks
[10:35] <momal> yamal: Can you tell me a bit more please ;)
[10:36] <yamal> it is a wrapper that makes any app use a proxy of your choice, even if the app has no clue of proxies
[10:36] <yamal> as simple as that
[10:38] <enrico_> Salve a tutti
[10:38] <enrico_> C'e qualcuno che abbia provato Kubuntu 6.10
[10:38] <yamal> !it
[10:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:40] <_lars9> I can see that alot of Kubuntu howto's say that you should sudo passwd root... What is wrong with sudo -su?
[10:42] <crimsun> because it's redundant. Use sudo -s  or sudo -i  instead
[10:47] <ubuntu_> Hello. I have just installed Edgy on a laptop but I'm facing a MAJOR problem:
[10:47] <ubuntu_> when booting it says hd invalid boot sector
[10:48] <ubuntu_> like if grub was not installed properly
[10:48] <ubuntu_> what could i do now?
[10:49] <ubuntu_> going to rename myself: will be something with franz
[10:51] <franzmax> anyone can help about missing grub on my new installation?
[10:52] <franzmax> hey, is there anyone alive in here ?  I see 286 nicks but no one talking......
[10:53] <ehird> franzmax: be patient
[10:53] <racarr> franzmax: IRC:Idle relay chat, duh
[10:53] <franzmax> lol
[10:54] <crimsun> it would be eerie to have 286 dead folks in a channel, yes
[10:55] <franzmax> sorry... I know i should not be upset like this.... but sometimes i really wonder what is all this people doing in chennels, if not j
[10:55] <franzmax> increasing statistics
[10:55] <sc0tt> franzmax: most people leave their clients idle here when they're not around.
[10:56] <franzmax> scOtt: and none of them know about the "away" status setting?
[10:57] <sc0tt> sure they do, but most don't use it
[10:57] <sc0tt> its not a requirement :)
[10:57] <seven__> is there a gui tool config grub
[10:58] <franzmax> seven__: is it an answer or a statement?
[10:58] <franzmax> i'm not expert about grub....
[10:59] <franzmax> i just installed and got no error messages, everything went smoothly as it did before for me on different machines
[11:00] <sc0tt> seven__: howcome you need a GUI interface?
[11:00] <franzmax> but i do not have a working grub now and i'm working "live" from cd
[11:01] <franzmax> i'm only asking how and where to put my hands to check and possibly fix the problem
[11:01] <franzmax> i'm not complaining about ubuntu: it may be a hardware problem as well
[11:02] <franzmax> but I have no way to tell it now
[11:03] <sc0tt> franzmax: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[11:03] <Vladdy> knetworkmanager doesn't remember wireless settings, how do I configure it so that it keeps passwords/access points etc, I've tried in the program but there doesn't seem to be such an option
[11:03] <franzmax> going to have a look. thanks sc0tt
[11:04] <sc0tt> Vladdy: no idea :(
[11:04] <vge> someone can help me to install eclipse on edgy?
[11:04] <Vladdy> it's hard to configure it manually every time, university network requires 802.11x auth :-/
[11:05] <sc0tt> :<
[11:05] <sc0tt> If you stick around a little while, someone who uses wireless may know
[11:05] <seven__> sc0tt: i have downloaded a kubuntu-grub-splashimage package but i can' t find out how to use it
[11:05] <Vladdy> hehe... i have plenty of experience with wpa_supplicant, but knetworkmanager works great with dhcpp
[11:07] <sc0tt> seven__: Try looking on the forums :)
[11:07] <sc0tt> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[11:07] <seven__> thanks
[11:07] <Vladdy> so far I don't need it yet
[11:07] <sc0tt> Vladdy: I had a whole bunch of fun setting up wireless on my slackware routing box
[11:08] <Vladdy> sc0tt: it's a breeze with knetworkmanager :-)
[11:08] <Vladdy> select network, enter password, and you're in
[11:08] <Vladdy> but i g2g
[11:08] <satempler> Vladdy: when it works
[11:09] <Vladdy> bye
[11:09] <sc0tt> byes:)
[11:16] <tom__> is anybody around?
[11:17] <satempler> ya
[11:18] <tom__> I have installed another OS and its not appeared in GRUB anyone have any ideas please?
[11:18] <satempler> you might need to tell grub to look at that partion
[11:19] <satempler> one sec
[11:19] <satempler> !dualboot
[11:19] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:19] <satempler> try that
[11:20] <franzmax> sc0tt: i followed what suggested in the link you provided, but with no success (grub problem)
[11:21] <franzmax> it could be a hardware problem on my hd.... how could I check this out?
[11:21] <tom__> okay thanks
[11:22] <tom__> it is two linux systems though, i.e. Kubuntu and Fedora Core
[11:23] <sc0tt> no idea offhand franzmax :(
[11:23] <franzmax> thanks anyway scOtt
[11:33] <naught101> anyone know how to findout what kernel module is used for a given LAN card?
[11:33] <naught101> on a laptop?
[11:34] <grimi> use /sbin/lspci to find out which chipset is on your lan-card
[11:35] <naught101> broadcom,
[11:36] <naught101> I got that far, I just don't know which module it is
[11:38] <grimi> 1000 or 10000 MBit?
[11:38] <grimi> erm.. i mean 100 or 1000 MBit ;)
[11:39] <sc0tt> 10000mbit eh
[11:39] <sc0tt> :P
[11:39] <sc0tt> gimme one
[11:39] <sc0tt> :D
[11:39] <naught101> 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 01)
[11:39] <naught101> I guess 1000
[11:40] <naught101> are there any 'net connections that go that fast yet anyway?
[11:41] <grimi> only if the opposit has a GBit card too
[11:41] <naught101> yeah...
[11:42] <naught101> anyway, is there any way I can find my driver module from that?
[11:42] <grimi> did you googled for that?
[11:43] <naught101> I think I did... let me try again. back in a bit
[11:44] <naught101> ah, yeah, I did, it came up with tg3, which isn't on my system (from lsmod)
[11:45] <naught101> the other possibility so far is ipw2200, but that's not present either
[11:45] <naught101> is there a list of ethernet card drivers for linux anywhere?
[11:46] <grimi> naught101: lsmod only shows you the modules actually loaded
[11:47] <grimi> try modprobe -l  | grep -i tg3
[11:47] <grimi> or something like tigon3
[11:48] <grimi> did anyone know how i can start the text-installer at the new 6.10 release?
[11:48] <naught101> grimi: I'm using my laptop now, on the card I'm trying to find the drivers for, so it must be loaded
[11:49] <grimi> oh..
[11:49] <grimi> :)
[11:49] <grimi> had a look at dmesg?
[11:50] <naught101> yeah... oh, what the hell? tg3 IS loaded now
[11:50] <naught101> wierd, I swear I couldn't find it before :D
[11:51] <grimi> hehe
[11:51] <naught101> I assume that installs with the kernel .deb, right?
[11:51] <VSpike> where can I get help getting printing working in kubuntu?
[11:51] <naught101> if I want to reload tg3, I have to reload the kernel?
[11:51] <naught101> !printing
[11:51] <VSpike> I'm completely flummoxed
[11:51] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:53] <grimi> rmmod tg3 && modprobe tg3 ?
[11:58] <naught101> grimi: just ran that, and got "FATAL: Error inserting tg3 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:58] <naught101> and now lsmod's not showing it
[11:58] <naught101> :/
[11:58] <naught101> but network's still operating... I think...
[11:59] <naught101> grimi: wow
[11:59] <naught101> grimi: just ran that, and got "FATAL: Error inserting tg3 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko): Operation not permitted"
[11:59] <naught101> had to wait a bit to reload
[11:59] <VSpike> naught101: thanks - I don't think any of that helps me.  The answers may be on linuxprinting.org somewhere, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to find them
[12:00] <naught101> VSpike: wish I could help, but I have very little experience printing in linux
[12:00] <VSpike> I'm going to test out Turboprint, because it claims to support my printer perfectly, while the linuxprinting database only shows it as "partially" supported.
[12:01] <VSpike> naught101: thanks for trying - you led me to Turboprint which may solve my problems.  At this point having wasted a day on it, 40 bucks to make it works sounds pretty good
[12:01] <naught101> there's a printing thing starting with "f" that I used last time that worked for my epson
[12:01] <VSpike> foomatic?
[12:02] <naught101> yeah
[12:03] <VSpike> I think I have that installed
[12:04] <naught101> ARRGH!! does anyone have experience with network connections? I have a problem with my laptop- some sites (like sourceforge.net) freeze ALL of my browsers for up to 30mins before loading completly
[12:05] <VSpike> naught101:  that's pretty wierd
[12:05] <naught101> it's not IPv6, it's not any of my config files in /home/naught101/* (I've tried deleting them all), I removed and re-loaded my network card drivers, AND  I've re-installed kubuntu
[12:05] <naught101> and it still happens
[12:06] <naught101> it's killing me, I really like (and sometimes need) sourceforge.net
[12:06] <wincide> hi all, I'cant configure an internal laptop multi card reader... and i'dont find any manual to configure that.. Someone could hellp me ? thx a lot..
[12:07] <naught101> is there anything between my network card and my browser that I haven't thought of yet? (all other comps running of my router work fine...)
[12:07] <ArmedGeek> naught101: try it in links
[12:07] <wincide> lspci gives me this : :0b.2 System peripheral: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ711Mx 4-in-1 MemoryCardBus Accelerator
[12:07] <naught101> ArmedGeek: I'll give it a go
[12:08] <naught101> ArmedGeek: is there a version of links for X/kde?
[12:08] <ArmedGeek> no, it's a console app, which is why i suggested it
[12:09] <VSpike> naught101: have you tried using wget to test?
[12:09] <naught101> nope, never knew I could. I'll try.
[12:10] <VSpike> wget http://sourceforge.net
[12:11] <VSpike> It may be some particular image type or maybe some content resident on another site, like a banner that's causing the problem
[12:12] <naught101> yeah, it might be. maybe I can try to adblock all the external stuff (once it loads after 30 mins)
[12:12] <naught101> wget on the index.php worked fine
[12:12] <naught101> so I guess it must be something external
[12:13] <naught101> cheers
[12:13] <velle> when using aptitude in cli mode, is there a way to get to know wether a package is installed? i was thinking something like "aptitude status libxml2", but i cant find it
[12:13] <naught101> actually... it only pauses once it gets to loading stuff from "http://static.sourceforge.net"
[12:14] <VSpike> naught101: you can make wget do recursive fetches, or spider a site and all kinds of clever stuff
[12:14] <naught101> wget on static.sf.net worked fine
[12:15] <naught101> that could be a good idea, I'm currently running wget with the -d (debug) option, and it looks nice
[12:15] <naught101> could I load everything that's embedded on the sourceforge front page?
[12:16] <VSpike> I think so ... try wget -r -l 1 http://etc...
[12:17] <VSpike> oh.. or wget -p http://...
[12:18] <VSpike> I think the second is better
[12:18] <naught101> what's -p?
[12:18] <VSpike> "page requisites" .. loads everything needed to dispay a page
[12:19] <VSpike> like -r -l 1 but a bit more intelligent
[12:19] <naught101> I just found it in the man pages. it doesn't mention embedded flash and stuff, but I'll give it a go
[12:21] <naught101> only loaded the one page... said it didn't want to load from other servers
[12:21] <naught101> including other subdomains, it seems
[12:22] <VSpike> which module do I need for usb printer support?
[12:23] <naught101> :/ VSpike, any idea how to make it load from any domain?
[12:24] <VSpike> try -r -l 1
[12:24] <naught101> I just did
[12:24] <naught101> said it wouldn't load from http://sourceforge.net
[12:24] <naught101> it would only load from www....
[12:25] <naught101> ahh, wait
[12:25] <naught101> it's frozen on "Resolving rss.sourceforge.net..."
[12:26] <VSpike> yeah, that option seems to do multiple domains for me
[12:26] <naught101> I had to do it without the www
[12:26] <naught101> loaded the rss
[12:29] <naught101> VSpike: how long did it take you to spider one level?
[12:29] <VSpike> I killed it before it finished :)
[12:30] <VSpike> after at least 30s
[12:30] <naught101> mine's still going... maybe that -p option is more sensible
[12:30] <VSpike> does anyone have a usb printer connected, and if so, could you tell me what the device path is? e.g. /dev/usb/lp1
[12:31] <VSpike> I've not used wget in anger for a long time, but I remember it took me a few attempts to make it do exactly what i wanted.
[12:31] <naught101> cheers for the help, it's a great start
[12:31] <Healot> /dev/usb/lp0
[12:32] <sara> wait how ?
[12:32] <sara> thats forts
[12:32] <VSpike> thanks Healot
[12:33] <VSpike> I don't even have a /dev/usb
[12:33] <VSpike> something is fubared here
[12:33] <Healot> that's my HP Deskjet 3920
[12:33] <SaRa> his hip
[12:33] <VSpike> if i look at /dev/bus/usb/devices, for my printer it has the line:
[12:33] <VSpike> I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbfs
[12:34] <VSpike> I don't pretend to know what all that stuf means, but surely "Driver" should be usblp, not usbfs?
[12:34] <Tulsa> ok ok.. but my thats hip
[12:34] <Tulsa> are you
[12:34] <ArmedGeek> Tulsa is hip ?  wasn't the last time i was there :)
[12:34] <cox377> is there anyway, under kubuntu to connect to windowz xp remote desktop default client?
[12:35] <Tulsa> ????????
[12:35] <naught101> how do you grep a man page?
[12:35] <ArmedGeek> Tulsa: tulsa, oklahoma.  city in the US
[12:36] <VSpike> Healot: could you do more /dev/bus/usb/devices and see if you can find the section for your printer, and see what the I: line says?
[12:36] <Tulsa> but..
[12:37] <VSpike> naught101: "man wget | grep -i recursive" seems to do something
[12:37] <naught101> cheers..
[12:37] <VSpike> today, i am pining for Windows
[12:38] <Healot> no such files, but there are some directories under /dev/bus/usb
[12:38] <cox377> VSpike: pining?
[12:38] <VSpike> I'm trying to wean myself off of the crack cocaine of OS's.  Some days, I get Linux joy.  Some days, I feel like formatting and installing XP in frustration.  Today is the latter type.
[12:39] <VSpike> cox377: pining. as in to yearn deeply; suffer with longing; long painfully