[07:17] <ericm|ubuntu> saeed, ping
[07:18] <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: hi
[08:13] <saeed> ericm|ubuntu: please check the u-boot under https://marvell.wiki.canonical.com/UploadedFiles?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Dove_UBoot_4_4_2_Full_Release_NQ.zip
[13:23] <hrw> http://hrw.pastebin.com/GdyhNPbt - beagleboard c3 with hub on otg
[13:23] <persia> Is that really a 7 minute boot?
[13:24] <hrw> [    0.000000] Registering NAND on CS0
[13:24] <hrw> [  345.080596] OMAP DMA hardware revision 4.0
[13:24] <hrw> nope
[13:25] <persia> Where's the first 5 minutes of time come from?
[13:26] <hrw> waiting in uboot
[13:26] <hrw> probably
[13:26] <persia> ouch!
[13:26] <persia> Or did you have to do something manually in uboot (it's less painful if waiting on us slow humans)
[13:27] <hrw> I took card out, wrote lucid on it, pasted content of boot.scr+serial into uboot and booted
[13:29] <persia> Ah, OK.  Yeah, I can see how that takes 300 seconds :)
[13:30] <hrw> writing card was 242s
[15:12] <ogra> persia our shepherd :)
[15:13]  * persia has accepted certain responsibilities as a side effect of being allowed in the #ubuntu-ops channel
[15:13] <ogra> anyway /me needs a break ... back soon
[15:16] <hrw> shepherd... for me it is sharp zaurus c750 ;D
[15:25] <persia> Indeed.
[15:26] <hrw> but c7x0 are not ubuntu targets - armv5te
[15:28] <persia> Omegamoon got Jaunty working, but yeah, these days I recommend installing Debian on those.
[15:28] <persia> Well, maybe not on a 750 :)
[15:36] <hrw> 750 is enough as long as you have rootfs on sd
[15:36] <hrw> hi prpplague
[15:38] <prpplague> hrw: hey bud
[15:38] <prpplague> davidm: ping
[15:39] <davidm> prpplague, hello, I'm sort of here
[15:39] <davidm> traveling again
[15:39] <prpplague> davidm: ahh np, i wanted to get some feedback from you when you have some time
[15:40] <davidm> if I can, also I have a question for you, the TinCan Tools Beagle board parts.  Are the Ethernet parts stable?
[15:40] <prpplague> davidm: give me a shout when you'd have about 20 minutes or so
[15:41] <prpplague> davidm: stable in what way? software, hardware, availibility?
[15:41] <davidm> stable in terms of the 10/100 part working solidly and not causing kernel panics or losing connectivity?
[15:42] <davidm> Might have some folks buying some
[15:42] <prpplague> davidm: i have not heard of any issues, the micrel folks have run a number of tests on the zippy2 and we've run iperf and burning tests
[15:43] <prpplague> davidm: we've sold about 400 zippy2 boards and i've not had any negative feedback
[15:43] <davidm> prpplague, thanks, I'll pass that on
[15:43] <prpplague> davidm: you can purchase the zippy2's via digikey as well
[15:43] <prpplague> davidm: you were at the Nice meeting right?
[15:43] <davidm> prpplague, cool, thanks
[15:43] <davidm> Yes
[15:43] <davidm> I was indeed
[15:44] <cwillu_at_work> what does the rtc with battery do?  is it just supplying the battery to the tps, or is it a different device?
[15:45] <cwillu_at_work> on the zipp2
[15:45] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: seperate RTC device connected via i2c
[15:46] <cwillu_at_work> ... why?
[15:46] <persia> prpplague: Does it have a battery?
[15:47]  * persia reads again
[15:47] <cwillu_at_work> I guess it's a replaceable battery as opposed to the one you have to solder onto the beagle
[15:47] <persia> Hurray!  It doesn't fail to boot with the current filesystems :)
[15:47] <prpplague> persia: yes
[15:47] <cwillu_at_work> but if you're soldering things on anyway
[15:48] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ??
[15:48] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, to put the expansion header onto the beagle
[15:48] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ahh indeed
[15:53] <cwillu_at_work> main difference between zippy and zippy2 is the 100mbit?
[15:57] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea
[15:58] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: the zippy uses the enc28j60 from microchip and the zippy2 uses a micrel part
[16:01]  * cwillu_at_work considers possibilities
[16:01] <cwillu_at_work> possibilities such as btrfs raid across two mmc cards :p
[16:03] <prpplague> sata seems to be an item i am getting alot of requests for
[16:04] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we also have the trainer board if you are into hacking hardware - http://www.elinux.org/BeagleBoard_Trainer
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> sata would be nice, although I don't have much use for it myself
[16:27] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, is it sensitive to the length of the connection?  I.e., could I run a two inch ribbon cable between beagle and zippy2?
[16:27] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea you could
[16:28] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: or even use some right angle connectors
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> hmm, I guess, ya
[16:28] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: no more than about 6 to 8 inches
[16:30] <hrw> prpplague: can zippy2 and trainer be stacked on one bb?
[16:30] <prpplague> hrw: not currently
[16:31] <prpplague> hrw: we are looking at doing a board so you can mount them side by side
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, too bad the connector is already soldered onto the zippy2
[16:59] <cwillu_at_work> prpplague, specifically, keeping the right-angle connectors on top would recover significant vertical clearance
[17:38] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we have a small right angle pcb we use inhouse for some testing
[17:38] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: we had considered making it available on the web site
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> I don't follow
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> like _||__[]_ ?
[17:41] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: yea
[17:41] <cwillu_at_work> okay, you missed my point :)
[17:41] <cwillu_at_work> I want the connectors on the populated sides of both boards, so that I can have them sitting lower in their cases :)
[17:43] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: ahh
[17:43] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: i follow
[17:44] <prpplague> cwillu_at_work: that could be done with a small board
[17:46] <Vazz> hello, i've got a question: how to build rootfs of debian squeeze from scratch if I've got fedora 12 on my desktop now?
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> Vazz, debootstrap is meant to do that
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> rootstock is basically a wrapper around it to make things easier
[17:47] <ogra> rootstock wont work on fedora
[17:47] <cwillu_at_work> it will with the right things in the right places
[17:47] <persia> debootstrap will.
[17:47] <ogra> it has dependencies fedora wont fulfill
[17:47] <Vazz> so only debootstrap method?
[17:48] <ogra> right, rather take the harder part and use debootstrap
[17:48] <Vazz> yum install debootstrap? : D
[17:48] <ogra> its less work to bring up on fedora but more work setting up the system afterwards
[17:52] <Vazz> hmm i think there's no script for squeeze in debootstrap
[17:55] <Vazz> can i install squeeze with it?
[17:57] <prpplague> orbarron: has nicolas been over by your desk already?
[17:58] <orbarron> prpplague: not yet but should stop by later today...
[17:58] <prpplague> orbarron: let me know if he stops over there
[18:14] <Vazz> i've downloaded new version of debootstrap from webpage, it downloaded packages...then W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/arek/d_db mount -t proc proc /proc
[18:15] <Vazz> any advices?
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> you'll have to --foreign --arch-armel
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> otherwise it'll try to use arm binaries to install the system on your very-much-not-an-arm system
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> then on first boot you'll do a debootstrap --second-stage
[18:21] <Vazz> thx
[18:23] <Vazz> so now i have to boot it on my arm devce and debootstrap --second-strage?
[18:24] <cwillu_at_work> yes;  probably/may need to boot it with an explicit init=/bin/bash
[18:33] <Vazz> "debug rootdelay=2 init=/bin/bash root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 fbcon=rotate:1 mem=64M@0xa0000000 mem=64M@0xb0000000"
[18:34] <Vazz> thats part of my startup.txt
[18:34] <Vazz> and it's saying that 'unable to open initial console' then kernel panic
[18:41] <cwillu_at_work> use "rootwait" instead of "rootdelay=2"; try dropping the fbcon bit, not sure why you'd need that
[18:41] <cwillu_at_work> might need to specify "console=ttyS2,115200n8" or somesuch
[18:42] <Vazz> fbcon rotates my screen : )
[18:42] <cwillu_at_work> what hardware is this on?
[18:43] <Vazz> toshiba g900
[18:43] <cwillu_at_work> can't help you there then :p
[18:44] <cwillu_at_work> but you'll probably have to muck with the console
[18:44] <Vazz> : /
[18:47] <Vazz> with rootwait same thing like before
[18:47] <cwillu_at_work> yes, that's just a "doing the right thing" thing, not to fix your problem
[18:47] <cwillu_at_work> rootdelay=2 is a hack, rootwait is the fix
[18:50] <Vazz> hmm
[18:51] <cwillu_at_work> and neither is related to your current problem :p
[18:52] <Vazz> thats not good :D
[21:01] <inhand1> In trying to run Ubuntu ARM NetInstall on a BeagleBoard, USB does not seem to be working. Neither OTG nor HOST. Without mouse or keyboard, it is a little tough to click the OK button. Is this a bug in the kernel?
[21:02]  * sveinse is wondering if Beagleboard has the TI feature in which it requires a HUB to do USB1.1...
[21:02] <sveinse> Try connecting via a HUB and see if you get kbd+mouse then
[21:03] <sveinse> I don't know id that's the case, but I'd give it a go
[21:03] <inhand1> I am using a powered hub.
[21:04] <sveinse> inhand1: Sorry then, I don't know. Best of luck
[21:05] <sveinse> Uhm. Do you know if the HUB is 1.1 or 2.0?
[21:05] <inhand1> it is 2.0


[00:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: oooo hotel griffon :)
[00:14] <bkerensa> http://www.hotelgriffon.com/san-francisco-hotel-photos.aspx#!prettyPhoto
[00:14] <darthrobot> Title: [San Francisco California Hotel Photo Gallery]
[00:14] <bkerensa> looks really nice
[00:14] <bkerensa> :D
[00:15] <Torikun>  If you play minecraft, come to my server =) vpn.linux-toys.com


[00:23] <pilne> a lot of the other ubuntu family are getting quite critical reviews from dedoimedo, i wonder if mate would fare any better?
[00:24] <staeksauce> critical about what
[00:24] <ouroumov> what's dedoimedo?
[00:25] <pilne> a guy that does somewhat "everyday" reviews of linux distros
[00:25] <pilne> or gal, but the writing comes across as very "guy"
[00:26] <staeksauce> what are they critical of
[00:27] <ouroumov> Apparently, samba
[00:28] <ouroumov> realtek driver goodness
[00:28] <pilne> bluletooth
[00:30] <pilne> i mean, i don't use that stuff, but i can understand how they are considered "basics" these days
[00:31] <ouroumov> I'm not a big fan of that gal/guy's review style
[00:31] <pilne> neither am I as a whole, but it is one of the few sites to actually have reviewed a few 16.04s
[00:32] <ouroumov> Yeah, Ars Technica only showed screenshots for Kubuntu and Ubuntu MATE, like two screenshot each and one paragraph, I was disappointed
[00:34] <ouroumov> I don't get why he's spending so much of the review talking about problems in the ubuntu base, isn't he repeating himself?
[00:34] <pilne> yeah... lol
[00:35] <ouroumov> Also what's the point of doing a review before the first point release is out?
[00:36] <ouroumov> The software updater hasn't even advertised the new LTS to people using old version
[00:36] <pilne> they kinda make the point that the LTS should be solid when it comes out
[00:36] <pilne> but i see yours as well.
[00:37] <ouroumov> Someone should also tell him that Kubuntu only has 3 years support
[00:40] <pilne> i looked into the requirements for sending them an email... PITA, so nope
[00:47]  * nomic just installed 14.04 .. cos xchat is the old V (this is xubuntu) .. I run mate on the pi3s .. use the pi3s as server/media / development ... 14.04 runs out april next year .. wil l upgrade sometime .. is easy , just do it in the background -- did that with the pi3s - 15.04 to 16.04 mate .. while playing a film & working -- none of this win 10 upgrade business (log off, "shedule" ,, multiple reboots "will reboot se
[00:47] <ouroumov> ?
[00:48] <nomic> seem to have an NFS problem on 16.04 anyway, fstab, mount doesn't work
[00:48] <nomic> ?
[00:48] <nomic> what.
[00:49] <nomic> pi3s are great desktops if you use omxplayer for media -- avoide the browser .. browsers are hugely buggy resource hogs -- not suited to raspberry pi/mate
[00:49] <nomic> so I run browser on laptop -- drift mouse cursor across to pi3 desktop, using x2x
[00:49] <nomic> omxplayer  = optimised player for pi3 .. it seems that much software is having to be written to run on arm
[00:50] <nomic> mplayer / vlc -- will not work on pi3
[00:50] <nomic> IMO
[00:50] <nomic> only omxplayer - that which is written for the pi3/mate
[00:51] <nomic> not sure if its just mate .. but works briliantly -- I have sky news live stream on the pi3, in HD .. never had that with a pi3
[00:51] <nomic>     livestreamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg best --player omxplayer --fifo --player-args "{filename}"   <- will stream sky news in HD window
[00:51] <nomic> livestreamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg best --player omxplayer --fifo --player-args "--win \"1000 600 1920 1200\" {filename}"   <- will stream sky news live in HD In a little window, bottom right corner
[00:51] <nomic> so cool
[00:53] <nomic> people trying to get browser , youtube working .. its not on .. not with 1gb ram .. it would work if the browser were completely rewritten for arm
[00:54] <nomic> youtube plays in firefox -- but theyres lag (it doesn't sync (sound,video))
[01:45] <santo> Hi,I need help
[01:45] <ouroumov> hi santo
[01:47] <santo> Steam does not launch. I installed from the sotware center (did not work), I have installed from the steam web page (did not work), I installed manually (did not work)
[01:47] <ouroumov> What software center?
[01:47] <ouroumov> Do you mean the Software Boutique?
[01:50] <santo> yeap
[01:51] <ouroumov> Have you subscribed to welcome updates?
[01:52] <santo> i guess not
[01:56] <santo> sorry for my ignorance where do I suscribe?
[01:56] <ouroumov> When you launch "Welcome", there's a check box
[01:56] <ouroumov> (System -> Welcome)
[01:56] <ouroumov> It's in the top right corner I think
[02:33] <santo> hi
[02:33] <santo> libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so
[02:33] <santo> libGL error: driver pointer missing
[02:33] <santo> libGL error: failed to load driver: r600
[02:33] <santo> libGL error: unable to load driver: swrast_dri.so
[02:33] <santo> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[02:33] <santo> Steam does not launch
[02:34] <santo> my software is updated.
[02:34] <ouroumov> Run the fixes from the software boutique (last icon on the right)
[02:34] <ouroumov> Then make sure you've gone through the "Driver & Firmware" step of the "Getting Started" section of the Welcome splash screen
[02:47] <cam> y
[02:47] <ouroumov> y
[03:01] <stooj> Hi - my 8GB card only has 7.4GB of writable storage. Is there any special trick I can do to the r-pi mate image to squash it on there? There's juuust not quite enough room
[03:04] <nomic> you can't squeeze mate image into 8gb?
[03:04] <nomic> its far smaller
[03:05] <ouroumov> nomic, actually no
[03:05] <nomic> ive got mate 16.04 on a micro ssd (pi3) , here which is using 5.2gb
[03:05] <nomic> max. thats other stuff
[03:06] <ouroumov> The compressed image is smaller
[03:06] <nomic> the image (mate for pi) , is smaller
[03:06] <nomic> you can get it in 7.4
[03:06] <ouroumov> The uncompressed image has a bunch of zeros
[03:06] <nomic> with heaps to spare
[03:07] <nomic> use gparted to squeeze your storage
[03:07] <nomic> or release, after having written the image
[03:07] <nomic> when you have written the img, the image needs to be squeezed, releasing up the space
[03:07] <nomic> thats the "special trick"
[03:07] <nomic> you mount your ssd from a laptop
[03:07] <nomic> run gparted
[03:08] <nomic> and you then can unlock the partician .. there is a bar which indicates the free space -- you move the bar towards the pi image, releasing the free space into a general pool
[03:08] <nomic> you then commit or write the change
[03:08] <nomic> forgot -- the 8gb card will be fully used, until you do that
[03:08] <nomic> tool = "gparted" ouroumov
[03:09] <nomic> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/gparted-partition-guide-for-linux-and-windows-users/797
[03:09] <ouroumov> I don't really care, I don't have an rpi :o
[03:11] <stooj> Sorry, not quite following. Where does an SSD come into it? Do I need to write the iso to a spare hard drive, then squeeze that, then dd that drive to a sdcard?
[03:12] <stooj> Couldn't I mount the image somehow as a loopback device, I think?
[03:13] <ouroumov> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/raspberry-pi-mate-16-04-image-too-large-for-8gb-sdmc/5420
[03:14] <stooj> Ah, grand. Thanks ouroumov
[03:14] <ouroumov> yw
[05:05] <julian_> hi, can anyone help me with setting up VNC server?
[05:06] <julian_> I followed the raspberry pi instructions to install tightvnc but when I try to run the command it says "server already running" or something
[05:06] <julian_> and I can't connect to the server from client
[05:07] <ouroumov> Do you have a firewall running?
[05:08] <julian_> not sure about on ubuntu, this is a fresh install
[05:08] <julian_> and I ticked the option to add exception for Windows Firewall on my client
[05:08] <ouroumov> This is Ubuntu MATE right? There's an "activate firewall" step in the Getting Started sequence of the Welcome application. If you toggled that then you're droping inbound packets by default
[05:09] <julian_> yeah I'm using MATE, I will take a look at that
[05:10] <ouroumov> Also you should check your network setup.
[05:10] <ouroumov> Are your client and the server on the same LAN? that sort of things.
[05:11] <julian_> well I've used remote desktop between two Windows computers
[05:11] <julian_> I'm new to using VNC so it's probably something I did(n't) do
 well I've used remote desktop between two Windows computers -> That tells us nothing of your network setup :o
[05:13] <julian_> also the firewall is disabled
[05:13] <julian_> what do you need to know about the setup? the pi is plugged in through ethernet and my laptop is Wi-Fi?
[05:13] <julian_> also I checked the pi's IP address in the network list thingy
[05:14] <ouroumov> Are the laptop and the pi on the same network? (Like, say, your home router's network)
[05:14] <julian_> yes
[05:14] <ouroumov> And you can ping the pi from your laptop?
[05:14] <ouroumov> Or ssh into it?
[05:15] <ouroumov> I gotta go take a shower, bbl
[05:15] <julian_> didn't install ssh yet but I will try cmd ping
[05:16] <julian_> ping command in windows command prompt works when I type in the Pi's IP address
[05:26] <ouroumov> Okay julian_. What are those instructions you followed for tightvnc setup?
[05:27] <julian_> I followed these ones: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/vnc/README.md
[05:28] <julian_> it's just when I try to make a new server and I do :1 it says a server is already running there, but I need to actually be able to specify the -geometry argument since my client has a smaller screen than this monitor the Pi is plugged into
[05:28] <ouroumov> Yeah, see, I suspect those instructions are the problem
[05:28] <ouroumov> You're running Ubuntu MATE version 16.04 or 15.10 ?
[05:29] <julian_> 16.04
[05:30] <ouroumov> Those instructions are for 15.10, under 16.04 Ubuntu has moved to systemd as an init system
[05:30] <ouroumov> Try and adapt the how to from Digital Ocean. I checked and they're up to date
[05:31] <ouroumov> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-vnc-on-ubuntu-16-04
[05:31] <julian_> I see, I will try those instructions instead then
[05:31] <julian_> thanks!
[05:31] <ouroumov> Drop the stuff related to xfce however
[05:31] <ouroumov> that's not the same DE as in Ubuntu MATE
[05:33] <ouroumov> julian_, if you don't find a solution here you can search and ask in the community forums too
[05:34] <ouroumov> I'm leaving for work, byebye
[05:34] <julian_> yeah I will skip the xfce step
[05:34] <julian_> bye
[07:00] <fede> hola
[07:07] <quest> Good day, i am using the recent ubuntu mate and i have been trying to install updates for a while now. Every time i try to install updates, i get the trying to install untrusted message. Can anyone help? Please
[07:08] <pannenkoek> could you copy-paste the message?
[07:12] <quest> The message: Requires installation of untrusted packages - This requires installing packages from unauthenticated sources.
[07:13] <pannenkoek> yh but you need to find out which sources you have added
[07:14] <pannenkoek> and then make sure the key is added or the source deleted :p
[07:39] <ouroumov_> pannenkoek, fyi there's a "Fixes" section in the software boutique
[07:40] <pannenkoek> ah, today I learned :)
[07:41] <ouroumov_> ^^
[08:48] <Akuli> Does ubuntu mate connect here automatically if someone opens hexchat?
[09:23] <ouroumov_> Akuli, I'm not sure this is the default channel when one open HexChat from the menu.
[09:23] <ouroumov_> But from the welcome app: yes
[09:23] <Akuli> at least linux mint does it both ways
[09:24] <Akuli> the welcome app and the menu
[09:24] <Akuli> There was someone needing help with a driver issue on facebook, and i was just thinking if he's told to open hexchat will he end up here
[09:25] <ouroumov_> hm
[09:25] <ouroumov_> I'm thinking he might have landed on #ubuntu
[09:29] <Akuli> let's see
[10:18] <zebedee> Hi, I saw a post on google+ that Mate 1.4? was now available.   Will this download automatically or will I have to choose to install it.  Thanks in Advance.
[10:22] <zebedee> My Bad - I suppose I should have checked the Forum first  :P
[10:22] <zebedee> Ciao
[11:05] <manos> Hi i got a little problem. I add Greek language to my layouts but shortcuts doesn't work (Super + Space)
[11:07] <manos> Also I go keyboard Layout Option and "key(s) to change layout" isn't exist
[11:24] <ouroumov_> hi manos
[11:25] <manos> hi
[11:25] <ouroumov_> manos, I think that's a bug that's been reported on launchpad
[11:25] <ouroumov_> The key-switch thingie
[11:25] <ouroumov_> manos, have you completed the install of Language Support?
[11:26] <manos> I am not sure !. I am not install any language so i i think i have not install Language Support
[11:29] <ouroumov_> Go to System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Language Support
[11:31] <manos> i did it
[11:32] <ouroumov_> Hey flexiondotorg - this morning a Patron was there saying 1.14 had broken his sound settings. You didn't add the bit about mate-volume-control in the mail I think and he picked "Y"
[11:33] <ouroumov_> manos, ok
[11:33] <manos> "key(s) to change layout" still not exist . Requires reboot ?
[11:33] <ouroumov_> You can try but I'm not sure that stuff has been fixed yet
[11:33] <ouroumov_> manos, you can also change keyboard layout using a terminal command
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Thanks.
[11:34] <ouroumov_> manos, haven't tried it for Greek but I think it'd work the same
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> Disabling Indicators, then enabling them again should correct it.
[11:35] <manos> i try this  " setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle us,gr " and works
[11:35] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, maybe add it to your forum announcement?
[11:36] <manos> setxkbmap -option grp:super_space_toggle us,gr  doens't work
[11:36] <ouroumov_> manos, then I think the easy way would be to add a command applet to one of your panels
[11:36] <ouroumov_> oh
[11:37] <ouroumov_> That's weird manos
[11:38] <ouroumov_> I'm using super+space as my synapse shortcut so I don't think it's already in use by anything
[11:38] <manos> Never mind thanks :)
[11:39] <ouroumov_> hope you'll figure it out
[11:39] <ouroumov_> Or that it'll be fixed by 16.04.1
[11:39] <manos> firstly i will try reboot
[11:40] <manos> Thanks again
[11:40] <ouroumov_> yw
[13:00] <acharya_r> Tried installing AppGrid, got his error. Any help?
[13:00] <acharya_r> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:00] <acharya_r> appgrid: Depends: app-install-data-partner but it is not going to be installed
[13:00] <acharya_r>          Depends: policykit-1-gnome but it is a virtual package
[13:00] <acharya_r>          Depends: python3 (>= 3.4) but 3.5.1-3 is to be installed
[13:00] <acharya_r>          Depends: python3-oauthlib but it is not going to be installed
[13:06] <ouroumov_> hi acharya_r
[13:06] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, make sure you're subscribed to Welcome Updates
[13:07] <ouroumov_> (Top Right corner of the welcome screen)
[13:07] <ouroumov_> Then go to the software boutique, run the "Fixes" (last icon on the right)
[13:07] <ouroumov_> Then try installing again
[13:13] <acharya_r> okay,thanks!
[13:35] <meygahmann> hi everyone =) just installed, is there a way to launch apps from a search
[13:35] <ouroumov_> Yes
[13:35] <ouroumov_> Head over to MATE Tweak
[13:35] <meygahmann> ok
[13:35] <ouroumov_> Under "Interface"
[13:35] <ouroumov_> Check "Enable Launcher"
[13:35] <ouroumov_> You'll notice a new indicator in the top right corner
[13:36] <ouroumov_> This is Synapse
[13:36] <meygahmann> i dont have enable launcher
[13:36] <acharya_r> ouromov_, it didn't work.
[13:36] <ouroumov_> MATE Tweak -> Interface -> Panel Features
[13:36] <meygahmann> i have version 15.10 if it helps
[13:36] <ouroumov_> Oh
[13:36] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, why did you install that one? :)
[13:37] <meygahmann> because i have amd radeon 8xxx
[13:37] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, you've run the fixes, then made an update?
[13:37] <acharya_r> none of the apt-get or apt commands are working. Not even sudo apt-get install update.
[13:37] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, ok
[13:38] <meygahmann> can i still use that keyboard launcher ouroumov?
[13:38] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, plan B then
[13:38] <acharya_r> I ran the fixes but the update command threw the same error.
[13:38] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, I'm not sure
[13:38] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, it's called "Synapse"
[13:38] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, check in the software boutique if you can set it up there
[13:38] <meygahmann> wheres the software boutique, srry i'm really new hehe
[13:39] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, there's an alternate way though
[13:39] <ouroumov_> (I think)
[13:39] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, try the following:
[13:39] <ouroumov_> Right click on a free space in the top panel
[13:40] <ouroumov_> Select Add to panel
[13:40] <ouroumov_> Then pick the thing called "MATE menu"
[13:40] <meygahmann> oky
[13:40] <ouroumov_> You can trigger the menu (which has a search box that is auto-focused) using the shortcut Super+Space
[13:41] <ouroumov_> (Super is the key with the freaking windows logo usually)
[13:41] <meygahmann> yeah ive been using that but its not exactly what i want
[13:41] <ouroumov_> erf
[13:41] <ouroumov_> What exactly do you want then?
[13:41] <meygahmann> i want something where a little box pops up and i type, and it finds, then launches when i hit tenter
[13:42] <meygahmann> i used kubuntu in 2010 and it had it
[13:42] <meygahmann> i searched for "synapse" in synaptic package manager and i found 3 things
[13:42] <meygahmann> can i install from there?
[13:43] <meygahmann> there is synapse, synapse-dbg
[13:43] <ouroumov_> So, try and install Synapse (warning: I've no idea if it works in 15.10)
[13:44] <ouroumov_> synapse fires with CTRL+Space I think
[13:44] <meygahmann> i'm trying to find an install button and cant lol
[13:45] <ouroumov_> you can try and type in a terminal: sudo apt install synapse
[13:46] <meygahmann> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[13:46] <meygahmann> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[13:46] <meygahmann> ^ when i tried to use terminal
[13:47] <ouroumov_> You have to close synaptic before typing the command
[13:47] <acharya_r> ouromov_, sudo apt isn't working
[13:47] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, do you have a specific error message?
[13:49] <acharya_r> unable to locate package <package_name>
[13:49] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, sudo apt update isn't working?
[13:49] <meygahmann> yes this is exactly what i was looking for
[13:50] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, that was probably the same program in kde
[13:50] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, I take it it's working?
[13:50] <meygahmann> yeah the only thing is have to launch it from the menu
[13:51] <meygahmann> i just need to set it up so that i can launch synapse with a keyboard shortcut
[13:51] <meygahmann> like cntrl+space
[13:51] <ouroumov_> open the synapse window
[13:51] <ouroumov_> Click the little bullet in the top right corner of that window
[13:51] <ouroumov_> You should get access to the preferences
[13:52] <acharya_r> says the same for sudo apt-get install update as well. Unable to locate package update.
[13:52] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, please don't invent commands :)
[13:52] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, the correct command is:
[13:52] <ouroumov_> sudo apt update
[13:52] <ouroumov_> just that
[13:53] <meygahmann> ok perfect i guess it was already set up that way
[13:53] <meygahmann> awesome thanks ouroumov_
[13:53] <ouroumov_> yw
[13:54] <meygahmann> ouroumov do you ever use chrome?
[13:54] <ouroumov_> I have it installed, but I don't use it for anything else than reproducing bug reports
[13:54] <ouroumov_> Why?
[13:55] <meygahmann> i installed it from the website and noticed it's buggy
[13:55] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, you should install it from the software boutique
[13:55] <ouroumov_> System -> Welcome -> Software
[13:56] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, what's buggy specifically?
[13:57] <meygahmann> ok besides the settings thing some websites like zoho mail that i open in new tab will also just display blank pages
[13:58] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, can you please remove it and reinstall it from the software boutique?
[13:58] <meygahmann> when i launch it from synapse it starts with a bunch of new tabs but they are not in the tab bar, there are a bunch of new tabs in boxes in the web page area
[13:58] <meygahmann> how do i uninstall it?
[13:58] <ouroumov_> How did you install it?
[13:58] <meygahmann> i went to chrome website and click on a link
[13:59] <meygahmann> when i clicked on the link it brought up a little box on my screen where it downloaded and installed
[13:59] <Akuli> meygahmann, sudo apt-get remove google-chrome-stable
[13:59] <Akuli> meygahmann, then right-click a folder somewhere, choose 'open as administrator', go to /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove any google stuff
[14:00] <Akuli> meygahmann, then run sudo apt-get update, and chrome and the google repo it added are gone
[14:01] <meygahmann> i cant get the 'open as administrator'
[14:02] <meygahmann> i'm right clicking on home folder on desktop
[14:02] <Akuli> meygahmann, in that case press Alt+F2 and type this: gksudo caja
[14:02] <Akuli> did you already do the apt-get remove thing?
[14:03] <meygahmann> yeah the apt-get remove thing worked and chrome is gone
[14:03] <Akuli> good
[14:03] <Akuli> now you have the google repository, lets remove that too :)
[14:04] <meygahmann> ok i removed the one google file from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:05] <meygahmann> run sudo apt-get update now?
[14:05] <meygahmann> then sudo apt-get chrome
[14:05] <meygahmann> ?
[14:05] <meygahmann> ok im not sure what to do now
[14:06] <Akuli> did you remove the .save file too if you had one?
[14:07] <Akuli> i guess you didn't, so run "sudo apt-get update" and you're done :)
[14:07] <meygahmann> in that folder '/etc/apt/sources.list.d' there was only one file trash:///google-chrome.desktop
[14:08] <meygahmann> or maybe thats the desktop shortcut i manually deleted
[14:08] <meygahmann> anyways in that folder you pointed me to there was only one file and i deleted it
[14:10] <meygahmann> ok im running 'sudo apt-get update' what is that anyways like a system update?
[14:10] <meygahmann> it finished but i still dont have chrome
[14:12] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update checks for updates
[14:12] <Akuli> and also refreshes a bunch of stuff
[14:12] <Akuli> sudo apt-get upgrade installs the updates that update has found
[14:14] <meygahmann> ok i ran the update only, now what do i do?
[14:14] <meygahmann> i still dont have chrome
[14:14] <Akuli> you're done removing it :)
[14:15] <meygahmann> ok great! :) thanks
[14:15] <meygahmann> nonw i need to get it
[14:15] <ouroumov_> So go to the software boutique
[14:15] <ouroumov_> System -> Welcome -> Software
[14:15] <meygahmann> i was uninstalling it because it was buggy and the other guy said it was because i donwloaded it from the chrome website
[14:15] <ouroumov_> No
[14:16] <ouroumov_> I said it might be because of that :]
[14:16] <ouroumov_> Actually I hinted at it ~~
[14:16] <ouroumov_> Anyway
[14:16] <meygahmann> yup yup
[14:16] <ouroumov_> In the software boutique there's a "Internet" icon
[14:17] <ouroumov_> Click there, you should see Google Chrome in the list
[14:17] <meygahmann> cool im installing now
[14:17] <meygahmann> got a pop up with a big red circle saying Failed to download repository information
[14:17] <meygahmann> Check your Internet connection.
[14:18] <ouroumov_> okay
[14:18] <meygahmann> W:Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release  Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
[14:18] <meygahmann> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[14:18] <ouroumov_> In the software boutique, last icon on the right, run the fixes
[14:18] <ouroumov_> Then try again
[14:19] <ouroumov_> Also, please tell me you haven't installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu MATE. u_u
[14:19] <acharya_r> ouromov_, got it.
[14:19] <meygahmann> nope the 64 bit
[14:19] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, so you've got the greek language installed?
[14:20] <acharya_r> greek language? I've got the update command running.Lol.
[14:20] <ouroumov_> alright
[14:21] <meygahmann> i dont see a last icon the right to run fixes
[14:21] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, sorry I failed to remember while you were there xD
[14:21] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, I mistook you for someone with another problem that was here earlier
[14:21] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, should look like a wrench
[14:22] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, have you subscribed to Welcome Updates?
[14:22] <meygahmann> nope
[14:22] <acharya_r> ouromov_, it's okay. I have this weak WiFi issue as well. Could you possibly help me with that as well?
[14:22] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, please launch Welcome again: System -> Welcome and do tell if you have a check box in the top right corner
[14:23] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, do you know how to get infos on your card and driver?
[14:23] <acharya_r> ouromov_,I'm hardly 3 feet away from the router and I get only 2 bars of signal strength.
[14:23] <meygahmann> no check box in top right
[14:23] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, do you remember there ever being one?
[14:24] <meygahmann> it looks the same from when i first installed mate
[14:24] <ouroumov_> damn
[14:24] <ouroumov_> So I guess the "Fixes" section wasn't there in 15.10
[14:24] <meygahmann> :(
[14:24] <meygahmann> geez its only one version back
[14:24] <ouroumov_> Yes but things have been moving fast
[14:25] <ouroumov_> Actually, it's amazing how fast
[14:25] <acharya_r> ouromov_, no. You had linked me to a forum the last time I had the same problem. Whatever was working, stopped working.
[14:25] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, that was the very long thread about some realtek card?
[14:25] <acharya_r> Yes!
[14:26] <acharya_r> I reinstalled the OS again.
[14:26] <ouroumov_> Did you go to the end of the thread? (Sorry I remember it was very long)
[14:27] <ouroumov_> So meygahmann
[14:27] <meygahmann> yeah...
[14:27] <ouroumov_> I'm not sure what to do next u_u
[14:28] <Akuli> meygahmann, are you sure you removed all google files there?
[14:28] <meygahmann> well the folder is empty akuli
[14:28] <acharya_r> ouromov_,I ran the commands suggested at the begining, as I was reading through, I had to reboot once. Did that and bam! No wifi indicator, didn't detect any of the available wifi(s). Had to re-setup everything.
[14:28] <Akuli> meygahmann, run this and paste output here: nc termbin.com 9999 < /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:29] <meygahmann> in terminal?
[14:29] <Akuli> meygahmann, yes, in terminal
[14:29] <meygahmann> ok
[14:29] <meygahmann> oh wait
[14:30] <meygahmann> i just checked that folder and that file is back
[14:30] <Akuli> hmm
[14:30] <meygahmann> its called google-chrome.list
[14:30] <Akuli> remove it
[14:30] <meygahmann> ok did it
[14:30] <Akuli> removing the file and chrome has always been enough to me
[14:30] <Akuli> now sudo apt-get update
[14:30] <Akuli> and if it comes back again i have no idea what to do
[14:31] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, I seem to remember the first propositions on that thread weren't working for some users
[14:31] <ouroumov_> And only one of the last ones seemed to do the trick
[14:32] <meygahmann>   well the file is still gone
[14:33] <meygahmann> ill try to install from the software boutiquee again
[14:34] <meygahmann> it failed again and that file is back
[14:36] <Akuli> so you want to install chrome?
[14:36] <meygahmann> yeah
[14:36] <Akuli> first get rid of it one last time :)
[14:36] <Akuli> then try chromium: sudo apt-get install chromium
[14:36] <Akuli> if you don't like chromium, download chrome like you did.
[14:37] <Akuli> chrome is the only program that should be installed by downloading
[14:37] <Akuli> on ubuntu
[14:40] <meygahmann> cant i just do 'sudo apt install chrome' or something like that
[14:41] <Akuli> no
[14:41] <Akuli> chrome is not in the repos
[14:41] <Akuli> But you can once you have downloaded it once :D
[14:42] <Akuli> its actually really easy to download, im sure you've installed software on windows, it goes the exact same way :)
[14:42] <Akuli> download the package, double-click it, click install :)
[14:42] <meygahmann> ah yeah that what i did the first time
[14:42] <Akuli> and you got the errors now, i know i know
[14:43] <Akuli> google screwed up their repo, but they've fixed it now
[14:45] <meygahmann> yeah i heard chrome doesnt like linux
[14:46] <meygahmann> hey i have this hex chat opened in another desktop, how do i move it back to my main desktop
[14:47] <meygahmann> nevermind figured it out
[14:48] <acharya_r> can someone help me with this weak wifi reception issue?
[14:49] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, do you still have the thread handy?
[14:50] <acharya_r> I'm afraid I lost it after I wiped my system. Wasn't logged in to sync the bookmark either.
[14:50] <meygahmann> ok thanks for all the help akuli and ouromov_ have a nice day
[14:50] <Akuli> meygahmann, if you have a 64-bit ubuntu which you likely do you can still download it, but a they dropped the 32-bit version
[14:50] <Akuli> hmm
[14:51] <Akuli> whatever :D
[14:53] <ouroumov_> so acharya_r let's find it again: open a terminal and type "inxi -N"
[14:54] <acharya_r> Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[14:54] <acharya_r>            driver: rtl8723be
[14:54] <acharya_r>            Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
[14:54] <acharya_r>            driver: r8169
[14:54] <ouroumov_> okay
[14:54] <acharya_r> :3
[14:54] <ouroumov_> there we go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304607
[14:56] <meygahmann> oh heys guys i just wanted to say after i installed chrome from the website i went to the software boutique and now chrome shows options to remove and reinstall
[14:56] <meygahmann> so i think its the same thing
[14:56] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, so apparently their fix is to recompile the driver
[14:56] <ouroumov_> acharya_r, that's not trivial
[14:57] <ouroumov_> meygahmann, okay thanks. Do you still have the same issue?
[14:57] <meygahmann> the settings is working now
[14:57] <ouroumov_> Well, magic.
[14:58] <ouroumov_> When it happens, it's fun. =)
[14:58] <meygahmann> and also when launching from synapse it does have all those new tabs either
[14:58] <meygahmann> yeah :)
[14:58] <meygahmann> its not having those buts anymore
[14:58] <meygahmann> *bugs
[14:58] <meygahmann> alright have good day :)
[14:59] <acharya_r> ouromov_, no other workaround?
[14:59] <ouroumov_> Nope
[14:59] <ouroumov_> At least
[14:59] <ouroumov_> Not that I found
[14:59] <ouroumov_> I can guide you through the compile steps, but it'll take a while
[15:02] <acharya_r> It'd be great if you did. Using it this way is a pain.
[15:03] <ouroumov_> Okay, you can connect through cable in the mean time?
[15:04] <ouroumov_> Anyway, start by typing "sudo apt install git" if you're reading me
[15:04] <ouroumov_> Then "sudo apt install ubuntu-make"
[15:04] <acharya_r> Got no cable :/
[15:04] <acharya_r> should I still proceed?
[15:04] <ouroumov_> Yes
[15:04] <ouroumov_> You don't really have a choice anyway x)
[15:05] <acharya_r> lol, I just hope I don't get stranded like last time without any WiFi at all. At least something is better than nothing :P
[15:05] <ouroumov_> What kind of machine is it btw?
[15:07] <acharya_r> It's a laptop. Got a new one recently, hp pavillion notebook.
[15:07] <ouroumov_> oh btw I gotta leave to take my bus
[15:07] <acharya_r> damn!
[15:07] <ouroumov_> I'll be back in something like 1H30
[15:07] <ouroumov_> You'll be there?
[15:07] <acharya_r> I'll try to be here then.
[15:08] <ouroumov_> alright
[15:08] <ouroumov_> cu soon
[15:08] <acharya_r> Thanks anyway :D
[15:26] <meygahmann> hi :) what desktoop does mate 15.10 use?
[15:26] <Akuli> mate?
[15:26] <Akuli> by the way, the distribution is ubuntu mate, and the desktop environment is mate
[15:26] <meygahmann> ubuntu mate
[15:26] <meygahmann> oh
[15:27] <Akuli> I have no idea why you would get 15.10 though
[15:27] <Akuli> 16.04 is released
[15:28] <meygahmann> because i have an radeon 8xxx gpu
[15:28] <meygahmann> it came on my laptop
[15:28] <meygahmann> i originall installed 16.04 but it was laggy
[15:28] <meygahmann> then i found out theres issues with amd
[15:31] <meygahmann> im just looking on synaptic package manger and they have stuff for gnome desktop and kde desktop and xfce but no mate
[15:32] <meygahmann> also i clicked on more wallpapers and i got to website that has gtk2 themes gtk3 themes and gnome 3.x themes and gdm themes and i dont know which to use
[15:32] <meygahmann> not sure what all this even means
[15:39] <Akuli> use gtk 2 themes in mate
[15:39] <Akuli> some apps run gtk 3, so if possible, choose a theme that supports both.
[15:40] <Akuli> gdm themes are for gnome display manager, but ubuntu mate uses lightdm instead so you don't need gdm themes
[16:02] <meygahmann> is there a way to see those pop ups that happen after things like installing software incase you couldnt finish reading them?
[16:07] <meygahmann> i installed syncthing from the welcome screen but can't find it anywhere
[16:29] <minecraft-kid> hello
[16:30] <nomic> hello
[16:38] <ouroumov> hello minecraft-kid
[18:24] <Langley> Hi, my laptop dims the screen after being idle for like 10 seconds even though I disabled it in Power options, what do I do
[18:25] <Langley> Running 16.04
[18:26] <Langley> Nevermind think I fixed it by enabling and disabling it again
[18:27] <schischa> hi com.. im super new to linux (ubuntu mate).. but im afraid my pc wont "see" my amd r7 370 :( can someone help plz? or is it just that i have to w8 for a newer amd/ati driver ?
[18:27] <Langley> Nevermind again it still does it, after a minute or so
[18:28] <Langley> schischa, what do you mean "see"?
[18:28] <Langley> That it cant use it at all?
[18:28] <schischa> hm i dont know^
[18:29] <schischa> but..
[18:29] <schischa> if i check the hardware info.. it just says i have a amd a107850k but never says anything about my graphicscard
[18:30] <Langley> But you've plugged your monitor to the R7, right? Then it should be fine
[18:31] <schischa> y right into r7 370 via hdmi.. but im not sure if this will work with the "full" performance of it.. :D
[18:33] <Langley> As long as you can run the full resolution of your screen, it should work 100%. But if you want more performance you might want the AMD driver instead, though I don't know if it's supported in Ubuntu anymore
[18:34] <schischa> hm.. last thing i just read in a paper was.. that amd has no updated driver for ubuntu at the moment.. but might have it after there new cards (polaris) comes in maybe next month ^^
[18:40] <schischa> other question: how can i make a "desktop" shortcut?
[18:41] <Langley> A what..?
[18:47] <schischa> ok i got it :)
[19:57] <Andassaran> I know my issue might be something 'easy' to fix... but I'm on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 using the Mutiny layout, and I wish to disable the inbuilt window preview list in favor of the compiz thumbnails. I just can't find anywhere on how to disable that
[19:58] <Andassaran> https://goo.gl/photos/Drq7F7c2hEpfNhRA9 <-- I want to disable those in favor of the ones in compiz
[21:35] <Guest79133> Hi, I have many audio issues I can't figure out. (My fault I installed web8update multi band) and now I can't get any audio back. can I re-install without loosing my home directory?  I do have all my partitions separated correctly
[21:38] <Guest79133> so in short will I be ok to install again and not loose my data?
[23:06] <meygahmann> hello there :)
[23:15] <meygahmann> my laptop battery is draining really fast is there a way to extend it
[23:30] <nomic> maybe the battery is at end of life
[23:30] <nomic> there is power settings on mate
[23:30] <meygahmann> yeah i looked at that
[23:30] <nomic> screen dimmer
[23:52] <meygahmann> does ubuntu mate support google drive like windows does
[23:53] <meygahmann> i mean can synch your file explorer with your google drive account
[23:53] <meygahmann> like windows google drive sync
[23:53]  * nomic woulda liked a drive (cloud), as volume
[23:53] <nomic> mounted
[23:59] <santo> hola


[00:20] <snap-l> Picked up another Vornado fan
[00:20] <snap-l> ANd nothing wrong with using RPMs. They're easy to build and deploy
[00:20] <snap-l> and easy to verify
[12:59] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:00] <snap-l> Spending my last day of vacation at the Caribou in Royak Oak waiting for J to get out of class.
[13:49] <rick_h_> morning party people
[13:52] <brousch> in the place to be
[13:54] <snap-l> Woo woo
[14:02] <rick_h_> yea, something like that
[14:19] <snap-l> I'm only 20 pages into this Understanding C Pointers book and I've learned more about pointers than in the 20 odd years of half-assed noodling
[14:30] <snap-l> I blame most of that on me trying to avoid pointers like a plague
[14:31] <brousch> I hate pointers
[14:35] <snap-l> They're not my favorite either, but I'm finding they're more important than we give them credit
[14:35] <snap-l> and years of avoinding them is tiring. :)
[14:36] <brousch> It is easy to avoid them. Use a sane language.
[14:38] <jrwren> yesterday ssh_import_id: [evarlast] to my ubuntu cloud instance worked perfectly. today it doesn't. typical ubuntu? :)
[14:38] <jrwren> pointers: I don't see the big deal.
[14:42] <jrwren> *doh* that #cloud-config line is NOT a comment :)
[14:42] <rick_h_> heh
[14:42] <jrwren> at least I hope that is the issue. *fingers crossed*
[14:43] <jrwren> yes, that was it.
[14:47] <rick_h_> woot
[15:29] <greg-g> back from my first ACM conference (well, workshop)
[15:29] <greg-g> met a guy who reminds me a lot of jrwren  :)
[15:30] <brousch> What's acm?
[15:30] <greg-g> Association of Computing Machines
[15:30]  * greg-g didn't make the Ass. jokpe
[15:30] <greg-g> -p
[15:31] <brousch> Is that a real thing?
[15:31] <brousch> I saw an invite to it and threw it away
[15:33] <jrwren> brousch: ACM is the professional society for computer scientists.
[15:33] <greg-g> uh, yeah. biggest/most "respected" academic CS society
[15:33] <jrwren> it is the IEEE of computer science
[15:33]  * greg-g nods
[15:33] <jrwren> brousch: if you have a computer science degree, then I'm disgusted that you don't know what ACM is.
[15:33] <greg-g> not really useful if you're not academic, about 99% of the time
[15:33] <greg-g> jrwren: he was anthro
[15:33] <jrwren> if you don't havea  comp science degree, then it is totally understandable.
[15:33] <brousch> I don't have a computer science degree. I blame pointers.
[15:34] <jrwren> i was all happy to finally actually join ACM just a couple months ago.
[15:34] <jrwren> greg-g: so what was the workshop?
[15:45] <greg-g> Release Engineering, first one of its kind. about 80 people, with a 60/40% industry/academia (which means it was useful for me)
[15:46] <rick_h_> very cool
[15:46] <greg-g> jrwren: two keynotes, one from Mozilla's RelEng lead and VP of Eng from LinkedIn
[15:47] <greg-g> LinkedIn, nevermind their business side, has some pretty awesome developer tools in-house
[15:48] <greg-g> oh, the person who reminded me of you jrwren (maybe because I haven't seen you in a while) was a previous release manager for subversion
[15:48] <greg-g> now at... Google?
[15:49] <jrwren> sweet.
[15:49] <jrwren> yes, linkedin does have to some sweet tech. its too bad that they are linkedin
[15:50] <greg-g> yep :)
[15:51] <jrwren> https://github.com/linkedin
[20:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: ping
[20:13] <greg-g> pongzor
[20:35] <brousch> Who's going to PyOhio this year?
[20:39] <jrwren> maybe?
[20:39] <jrwren> i'm not sure
[23:05] <rick_h_> I'm going
[23:05] <rick_h_> though I'm worried about it this year