[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193525 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "[Hardy KDE4] Can't login to KDE4, kdeinit error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193525
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #193526 in ubuntu "15+ packages fail to update when using update-manager on ubuntu 8.04 alpha 4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193526
[00:18] <selim_ok> is there a mailing-list, so i can follow new bugs, edited or closed bugs per mail?
[00:19] <bdmurray> selim_ok: yes, however it gets lots of e-mail
[00:20] <bdmurray> there are some subsets of it, desktop-bugs, kubuntu-bugs, kernel-bugs that might match your interests more
[00:21] <selim_ok> bdmurray: can you give me the adresses of mailing-lists for kubuntu-bugs and ubuntu-bugs
[00:21] <bdmurray> selim_ok: https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Bug+Lists
[00:22] <selim_ok> bdmurray: thanks a lot :)
[00:22] <bdmurray> selim_ok: to give you an idea of the volume in January the mbox was 28M
[00:22] <bdmurray> that's for the desktop-bugs mailing list
[00:23] <bdmurray> the ubuntu-bugs one was 150M
[00:23] <selim_ok> bdmurray: it's not a problem for me :)
[00:23] <selim_ok> i read not all of that
[00:24] <selim_ok> but i need to follow the bugs :)
[00:26] <bdmurray> selim_ok: you might find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFilter that helpful
[00:26] <selim_ok> bdmurray: oh thanks :)
[00:26] <bdmurray> Launchpad adds a lot of useful headers to the bug e-mails that might help you manage it
[00:27] <bdmurray> I filter mail into large groups using the X-Launchpad-Bug header
[00:30] <selim_ok> bdmurray: can you give me a approximately ratio, how many of the new bugs closed as invalid?
[00:31] <bdmurray> What do you mean by new bugs?
[00:34] <selim_ok> bdmurray: i mean all of the bug reports since a period of time (e.g. last 6 months)
[00:34] <selim_ok> bdmurray: sorry i can't speak good english
[00:34] <selim_ok> :)
[00:35] <bdmurray> selim_ok: No problem, it was just confusing to me because "New" is a valid bug status.
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193529 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Can't access consoles when nvidia driver is loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193529
[00:36] <selim_ok> bdmurray: what is the first state of a bug report on launchpad, unconfirmed?
[00:36] <bdmurray> selim_ok: the first state is actually New now
[00:37] <selim_ok> ok
[00:40] <bdmurray> selim_ok: this isn't exactly what you are looking for but about 1/3 of our total bug reports are invalid
[00:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193530 in gcj-4.2 (main) "[debdiff] xulrunner support -- 4.2.3-1ubuntu2 => 4.2.3-1ubuntu2j1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193530
[00:41] <selim_ok> bdmurray: ok this info is also helpful :)
[00:42] <selim_ok> bdmurray: re-thanks and happy bug fixing
[00:42] <selim_ok> good night :)
[00:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193531 in libvirt (main) "pxe booting not supported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193531
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193532 in kde-i18n-it (main) "System Settings Italian translation in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193532
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193533 in policykit (main) "mkdir /var/run/PolicyKit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193533
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193534 in ubuntu "ssh can'nt login by RSA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193534
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193537 in evince (main) "ReOpening evince after viewing a large PDF earlier crashes evince" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193537
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193536 in openoffice.org (main) "Fonts are aliased above size 158" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193536
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193538 in firefox (universe) "firefox3 is ugly on kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193538
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193539 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193539
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193540 in ubiquity (main) "Cannot resize ntfs partitions in Ubiquity." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193540
[01:58] <bddebian> Boo
[01:58] <secretlondon> hi
[01:58] <bddebian> Hello secretlondon
[02:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193542 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-libthai holds back firefox 3 upgrade in update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193542
[02:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193543 in nautilus (main) "Cannot mount floppy on Hardy LiveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193543
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193544 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Synaptics touchpad not detected on MacBook Santa Rosa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193544
[02:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193545 in ubuntu "pressed keys repeats when mouse is clicked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193545
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193549 in nautilus (main) "Cannot mount floppy on Hardy LiveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193549
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193396 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193396
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193550 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[hardy] traceback when plugging in usb-audio device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193550
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193551 in policykit (main) "package policykit 0.7-2ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193551
[02:33] <Gnine> crimsun_ just said python-central was fixed
[02:33] <Gnine> :(
[02:34] <crimsun_> to what are you referring?
[02:35] <crimsun_> if you meant 193396, it clearly references an older, still-broken version of python-central.
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #188805 in ffmpegthumbnailer (universe) "ffmpegthumbnailer crashed when making a thumbnail for a H.264 video" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188805
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193552 in ubiquity (main) "Support 256MB machines in Ubiquity." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193552
[02:40] <secretlondon> and I don't believe the new version is actually available to download yet
[02:40] <secretlondon> at least I don't get any new packages when I apt-get update
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193555 in virtkey (main) "Feature Freeze Exception: New upstream version of virtkey." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193555
[02:42] <Gnine> :-/
[02:42] <crimsun_> secretlondon: meaning 0.5.50ubuntu6?
[02:44] <secretlondon> I have 0.5.50ubuntu3
[02:44] <secretlondon> according to synaptic
[02:45] <crimsun_> which mirror are you using?
[02:45] <secretlondon> gb
[02:46] <crimsun_> ah.
[02:46] <crimsun_> it's definitely available on us.archive (and archive)
[02:47] <secretlondon> weird. I guess I have to wait then
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193557 in onboard (main) "Feature Freeze Exception: New upstream release of onboard." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193557
[02:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193558 in update-manager (main) "[Wishlist] Include limit-rate bandwidth option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193558
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #6087 in findutils "example in man page doesn't work (due to user making assumption...)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6087
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193561 in rhythmbox (main) "MTP plugin lacks proper permissions to interface with device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193561
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193562 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "[Hardy] While Konqeruror is running warning messages are there." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193562
[03:07] <alex_mayorga> can anyone help me figure out a seemingly duplicate of Bug #133818 in Hardy?
[03:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133818 in cupsys "[GUTSY] Third-party drivers (like Turboprint) do not work due to AppArmor" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133818
[03:07] <alex_mayorga> I see it right now in my laptop
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #193563 in compiz (main) "compiz freezes desktop completely (backtrace included)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193563
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #193564 in libtool (main) "libtoolize --ltdl yields: ls: libltdl/*: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193564
[03:12] <secretlondon> there is some stuff on apparmor on the wiki
[03:12] <secretlondon> i've no idea myself though
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> the funny thing is I'm seeing this with the PDF printer, not even a real printer
[03:13] <alex_mayorga> today is the printing hug day isn't it?
[03:15] <secretlondon> yep
[03:15] <secretlondon> there are some pdf printing bugs
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #193565 in rhythmbox (main) "doesn't stop playing at end of playlist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193565
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #193566 in ubuntu "Gutsy "faints", usually recovers." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193566
[03:15] <secretlondon> i've not looked at yet tbh
[03:17] <secretlondon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems has something to try re printing and apparmor
[03:18] <alex_mayorga> I'll take a look, thanks
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193567 in koffice2 (universe) "koffice2 package broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193567
[03:37] <greg-g> oh no! gutsy faints!
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193570 in grub2 (universe) "[Hardy] upgrade deleted chainload to grub entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193570
[03:51] <secretlondon> i know - i'm trying to draft a suitable comment
[03:51] <secretlondon> like your laptop is borked
[03:51] <secretlondon> (probably)
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193571 in kdelibs (main) "[Hardy] get warnings while launching konqueror in Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193571
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193573 in gnome-control-center (main) "package capplets-data 1:2.21.90-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193573
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193574 in update-manager (main) "Feisty to Gutsy some sort of network problem occured during the update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193574
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193575 in ubuntu "Synaptics touchpad periodically disconnects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193575
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #193578 in ubuntu "Scrolling Firefox interrupts Rhythmbox audio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193578
[04:43] <ubotu> New bug: #193576 in bzr ""bazaar" package should point to bzr instead of baz (dup-of: 143998)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193576
[04:43] <ubotu> New bug: #193579 in ubuntu "Hardy: package manager/ installer no longer works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193579
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193580 in apport (main) "Bug won't report with apport right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193580
[04:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193581 in totem (main) "can`t show the movie's title by chinese " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193581
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193582 in ubuntu "dpkg: error processing bzr (--configure):  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193582
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193583 in ubuntu "dpkg: error processing bzr (--configure):  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 " [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193583
[05:03] <Jouva> I've had issues with trying to install Gutsy Gibbon on a Dimension E310 (and others reported the same), though Freespire installed fine, and supposedly Knoppix had no problems either. Supposedly it's related to some USB option compiled into the kernel (or maybe not in the kernel), but last time somebody submitted a bug, it was "assumed to be fixed". Anything I should do/say to go about helping to diagnose the issue with the install and not get the
[05:03] <Jouva> (And I hope that made it all through)
[05:05] <secretlondon> Jouva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[05:06] <secretlondon> and you should try with hardy
[05:06] <Jouva> secretlondon: Little problem there. It reboots.
[05:06] <Jouva> Unless it's rebooting because it found the issue and left a log maybe?
[05:07] <secretlondon> the logs will still be in /var/log
[05:07] <secretlondon> you will be access via a live CD (I hope)
[05:07] <Jouva> Well...
[05:08] <Jouva> It doesn't even get past the loading bar to get to the first screen I can interact with (minus the "Start installation" menu screen when you first boot the cd)
[05:08] <Jouva> Plus at that point there would have been no way for it to be in /var/log except in memory: the HD was still NTFS
[05:08] <secretlondon> I would submit (or reopen) a bug on the issue
[05:09] <secretlondon> or try the answers/support tracker
[05:09] <secretlondon> and check your CD burn
[05:10] <Jouva> I'll double check it, yeah, though I did use it for another machine about 1 1/2 months ago, but it may have gotten scratched.
[05:10] <Jouva> But still, others are reporting issues with the E310 regardless
[05:10] <Jouva> So I'm fairly confident it's not the CD
[05:10] <Jouva> But by report I mean mention on forums, etc
[05:11] <secretlondon> developers don't take much notice of the forums - but linking to a forum thread in a bug is useful
[05:11] <Jouva> Right, I figured ;)
[05:12] <secretlondon> trying the alternate cd instead may be one option - if its a prob with ubiquity
[05:12] <Jouva> I'll look into that
[05:13] <Jouva> It's weird because the previous issues mentioned in past versions included that one "can't use the keyboard and mouse that came with it" yet I'm doing so and I can hit enter just fine at that first menu
[05:13] <secretlondon> if it runs the live cd then copying info from /var/log whilst its running may help
[05:14] <secretlondon> tbh a fix is unlikely to get backported to gutsy - hardy is where evetyone's attention is at
[05:14] <Jouva> Right.
[05:15] <secretlondon> think alpha 5 is due on thursday
[05:15] <Jouva> I wouldn't worry about it being put into Gutsy anyway. Just mentioning that I'm using the latest stable and nothing older and not the latest unstable
[05:15] <secretlondon> you'd proably be asked to see if you can reproduce in hardy anyway
[05:16] <Jouva> Ok so I should probably get the latest hardy.
[05:16] <Jouva> Should I wait til Thursday or just get the latest?
[05:16] <Jouva> err current rather
[05:16] <Jouva> Also, where can I get the alpha 4 CD?
[05:16] <secretlondon> there is an annoying python bug that is still working its way onto the mirrors
[05:16] <secretlondon> I'd wait until thurs as it's only 1 day
[05:17] <Jouva> Ok
[05:17] <greg-g> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:17] <Jouva> Thank you :)
[05:17] <secretlondon> greg-g thanks
[05:17] <greg-g> :)
[05:17] <greg-g> that is for the "current" build of the day (hence the word current in the URL).  It updates every day with a new build of all the packages.
[05:18] <secretlondon> I'd file a new bug and `try and get the maximum info for us.
[05:18] <Jouva> greg: So the "alpha 5" would just have very little changed then?
[05:19] <greg-g> Jouva: relatively yeah.  But there might be some great new update between Wed. and Thurs. that fixes your problem of course ;)
[05:20] <greg-g> but yeah, secretlondon's suggestion is good for now.
[05:21] <Jouva> BTW I gotta say that Ubuntu's really done a good job overall with everything. I've always been a fan of Linux for server purposes, but every time I've tried to explore the idea of using Linux on the desktop the past few years, I just felt left empty handed or not everything worked and well... Ubuntu had pretty much everything working (atleast on my OTHER desktop)
[05:22] <secretlondon> it generally Just Works - except when it doesn't ;)
[05:23] <Jouva> I mean I could find out how to configure stuff and read what needed to be changed and tweaked in manual configuration editing, but I already do enough of that for my server and felt turned off if I had to do that but for the most part I haven't needed to do so with Ubuntu
[05:23] <Jouva> secretlondon: Heh! When it rains it pours? ;)
[05:25] <secretlondon> oh alpha 5 has been delayed til friday
[05:27]  * secretlondon is bored of printing bugs now ;)
[05:28]  * greg-g didn't do any of the bug day bugs :(
[05:29]  * greg-g sleeps
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193584 in transmission (main) "Transmission doesn't save torrent list on exit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193584
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193586 in lsr (universe) "doesn't run in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193586
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193446 in python-central "problems updating in 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193446
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193587 in gjay "gjay segfaults while reading mp3 metadata" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193587
[05:46] <Jouva> HA! n/m
[05:46] <Jouva> It has nothing to do with USB
[05:47] <Jouva> Atleast not for Gutsy. It's either one of the settings that was not terribly important in the BIOS that I changed (like disabling the Primary IDE Master when nothing was hooked up to it), or it's the fact that I needed to have my drive not formatted as NTFS :P
[05:48] <Jouva> Those were the only things that changed since I tried again with my Gutsy CD and it got past the rebooting now
[05:49] <Jouva> Not only that but it doesn't pause for like 15 seconds on attempting to boot
[06:01] <Jouva> Yep it must have been the formatting of the HD or some changes to the bios settings
[06:01] <secretlondon> yay
[06:02] <Jouva> Welp I need to goto bed now but thanks for hearing me ramble on :D
[06:04] <secretlondon> no problem :)
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #193591 in lsr (universe) "lsr crashed with AttributeError in configA11y()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193591
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #193592 in ubuntu "aha1542 causes kernel panic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193592
[06:50] <ubotu> New bug: #193593 in audacity (universe) "Audacity effects missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193593
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193594 in firefox (universe) "crashes at youtube, reports problem with .css at s.ytimg.com " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193594
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193600 in tracker (main) "tracker preferences cannot be closed, because trackered uses all resources" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193600
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193604 in ubuntu "reporting a bug about launchpad is impossible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193604
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #193605 in conduit (universe) "Feature Freeze Exception request for Conduit 0.3.8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193605
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #193606 in open-vm-tools (universe) "module-assistant fails to install open-vm-source" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193606
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193609 in totem (main) "totem youtube plugin does not play; "you might not have permission"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193609
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176838 in sbackup "Incremental backups should not appear incremental when restoring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176838
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193613 in evolution (main) "No automatic connection when using dial-up internet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193613
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #193617 in ubuntu "Hardy rhythmbox stops screen from blanking on laptop lid close" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193617
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193619 in php5 (main) "php with fastcgi does not detect user abort" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193619
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193621 in bluez-utils (main) "Invalid attribute "Originial-Maintainer" in package description" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193621
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193624 in nagios-nrpe (universe) "nagios-nrpe-server should start with LANG=C" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193624
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193626 in ubuntu "souncard doesnot works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193626
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193631 in miro (universe) "miro crashes after libxine has been updated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193631
[10:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193633 in ubuntu "Logitech S510 fails to send LeftCtrl+LeftShfit+.. key combinations " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193633
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193634 in adept (main) "version update to 7.10: failed to fetch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193634
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193635 in amarok (main) "amarok freezes when pressing play" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193635
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193636 in poppler (main) "pdfops does not take -cfg option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193636
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193637 in epiphany-browser (main) "Change spell checker language" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193637
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193638 in openoffice.org (main) "DataPilot does not work in OpenOffice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193638
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193640 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] bitext2tmx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193640
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193643 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] OmegaT+" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193643
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193644 in kdegames-kde4 (universe) "Fatal error running /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kshisen&" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193644
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #193648 in firefox-3.0 (main) "weather radar loop just flashes once, and stops" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193648
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #193649 in axiom (universe) "Merge axiom 20050901-10 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193649
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193415 in exaile "crash in information tab (dup-of: 123409)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193415
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193650 in lustre (universe) "Kernel version mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193650
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193652 in compiz (main) "Compiz loses windows when opening a window while "show desktop" is toggled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193652
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193553 in kde-guidance (main) "displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>() (dup-of: 147229)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193553
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193654 in ubuntu "pycentral is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193654
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193655 in compiz (main) "Nvida-settings reset to default upon returning from gnome-screensaver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193655
[12:59] <Iulian> Hey
[13:04] <simira> hello Iulian
[13:15] <Iulian> Hi simira
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #193658 in wxwidgets2.6 (universe) "Merge wxwidgets2.6 <IP_ADDRESS>.2-2 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193658
[13:18] <pedro_> yo yo Iulian, how're you today?
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193283 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193283
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193303 in apport (main) "apport-gtk crashed with IOError in mark_report_seen() (dup-of: 129146)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193303
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193659 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CIFS truncates files resulting in data corruption" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193659
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193152 in ubuntu "lockup on boot menu screen (dup-of: 187148)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193152
[13:29] <Iulian> Hello pedro_ :-)
[13:29] <Iulian> I'm good, thank you. Pretty bored though
[13:30] <Iulian> How about you?
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193326 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193326
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193330 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193330
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193382 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193382
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193435 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193435
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193660 in ubuntu "many lib32 libraries missing  in hardy for amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193660
[13:32] <ubotu> New bug: #193312 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193312
[13:32] <Iulian> Woah! A lot of bug reports about pycentral...
[13:34] <pedro_> I'm good too :-)
[13:34] <pedro_> yeah plenty of them
[13:34] <Iulian> It looks like we'll have another Hug Day tomorrow!
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193661 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[hardy] network-admin doesn't save PPP device settings and silently drop them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193661
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193662 in debreaper (universe) "RM: debreaper sends crashes running Ubuntu to Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193662
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193341 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193341
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193347 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193347
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193484 in miro (universe) "miro.real crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() (dup-of: 145413)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193484
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193595 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig() (dup-of: 144769)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193595
[13:38] <pedro_> yes we'll have a gnome-power-manager one, there's a lot of reports there that we can squash
[13:40] <Iulian> pedro_: Yeah, indeed, ~198
[13:40] <Iulian> I meant ~200
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193239 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193239
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193509 in python-central (main) "Crash during update using update manager (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193509
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193664 in pidgin (main) "pidgin buddy list synchronization bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193664
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193665 in firefox-3.0 (main) "Firefox interface and pages are scaled way too much on my laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193665
[13:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193666 in openoffice.org (main) "Hang when modify the lenght fild in Base " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193666
[13:47] <ubotu> New bug: #193255 in ubuntu "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193255
[13:47] <ubotu> New bug: #193388 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with TypeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193349)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193388
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193275 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193275
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193278 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193278
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193365 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with TypeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193349)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193365
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193385 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with TypeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193349)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193385
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193395 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in byte_compile() (dup-of: 193283)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193395
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193667 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "bad performaces on intel x3100" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193667
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #193669 in ubuntu "banshee dependency libtaglib2.0-cil is not in package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193669
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193067 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 131679)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193067
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #193676 in lunar-applet (universe) "Please sync lunar-applet 1.8-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193676
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193674 in linux (main) "Wireless using rt73usb driver  fails (WEP decrypt failed (ICV))" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193674
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193679 in totem (main) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV when no mixer available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193679
[14:52] <seb35690> hello
[14:53] <seb35690> i want to add a bug
[14:53] <seb35690> to ubuntu gusty
[14:53] <seb35690> excuse my english i'm french
[14:54] <seb35690> the bug is about the monitor selection
[14:54] <Pici> seb35690: The best place to add a bug would be on the official bug tracker, Launchpad.
[14:54] <Pici> !bugs | seb35690
[14:54] <ubotu> seb35690: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:55] <seb35690> Pici: thanks a lot
[14:55] <Pici> Sure :)
[14:55] <seb35690> Pici: but how i can be sure it's not a duplicate bug ?
[14:56] <secretlondon> you need to search first - when you submit the bug launchpad will show you similar ones
[15:02] <seb35690> secretlondon: ok thanks
[15:02] <seb35690> sorry for the inconveniance but i'm a newbie
[15:03] <Pici> No problem, thats what we're here for
[15:09] <ubotu> New bug: #193686 in network-manager-openvpn (universe) "nm-openvpn with preshared key doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193686
[15:09] <ubotu> New bug: #193689 in xdg-user-dirs (main) "Templates folder should be hidden" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193689
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193692 in ia32-libs (universe) "[hardy] ia32-libs_2.2ubuntu6 failure when running VMWare" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193692
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193693 in ubuntu "when I am try too surf on the internet. the pc slow down  itś speed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193693
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193100 in vino (main) "vino-server crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193100
[15:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193696 in postgresql-8.3 (main) "Postgresql 8.3 not responding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193696
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #191615 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191615
[15:31] <ubotu> New bug: #190763 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190763
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193701 in lintian (main) "Add "intrepid" to known distribution names" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193701
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193702 in ubuntu "Desktop effects could not be enabled. Hardy Heron Alpha 4 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193702
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #182814 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_file_system_handle_gnome_vfs_finalize after nfs mount timeout" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182814
[15:58] <bddebian> Boo
[16:00] <pedro_> buuu!
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193704 in vmware-server (partner) "package vmware-server 1.0.4-1gutsy2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193704
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193705 in libhttp-cache-transparent-perl (universe) "Please sync libhttp-cache-transparent-perl 1.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193705
[16:01] <secretlondon> ello
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #187646 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187646
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #189278 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189278
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177535 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in nsScriptLoader::ReadyToExecuteScripts" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177535
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #182273 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in JS_IsSystemObject()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182273
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #184587 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in nsQueryInterface::operator()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184587
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #187878 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__gtk_widget_queue_draw_area" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187878
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #188540 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188540
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #189447 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in nsNativeKeyBindings::KeyPress using google docs making things italics" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189447
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190317 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox-3.0 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190317
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193708 in jabber (universe) "jabber outdated" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193708
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193707 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with signal 5 in g_type_class_ref()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193707
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192977 in gnome-applets (main) "invest-applet crashed with AttributeError in update_position()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192977
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193709 in gnome-power-manager (main) "While working screen-monitor goes blank & doesn't respond to keyboard or/and mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193709
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193711 in update-manager (main) "update crashes trying to connect to update server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193711
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #193712 in ubuntu "Please sync haskell-hsql-mysql 1.7-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193712
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193713 in firefox (universe) "Opens extension menus off-screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193713
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193714 in ubuntu "Please sync haskell-hsql-odbc 1.7-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193714
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193715 in beagle (universe) "Merge beagle 0.3.3-2 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193715
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193716 in hipo (universe) "New upstream version: 0.6" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193716
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #193717 in ubuntu "Please sync haskell-hsql-sqlite3 1.7-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193717
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193719 in evolution-data-server (main) "evolution-data-server-2.22 crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193719
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193720 in ubuntu "NIST ATM simulator compilation error in ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193720
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193647 in imagemagick (main) "convert crashed with signal 7 in memcpy()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193647
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193722 in gtkpod (universe) "gtkpod missing dependecies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193722
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193723 in gmpc (universe) "Update gmpc package to 0.15.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193723
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #193724 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "atyfb distortion on Beige G3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193724
[17:20] <bdmurray> I've setup a wiki page of bugs reported yesterday and wanted to know if that might be useful
[17:20] <bdmurray> It is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewBugs/20080219
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193229 in music-applet (universe) "music-applet crashed with DBusException in __new__()" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193229
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #193729 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "Custom colour picker widgets in Resources page respond unpredictably to many signals" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193729
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #193731 in jockey (main) "Broadcom bcm 4328 install details for hp pavillion dv9657em laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193731
[17:27] <ubotu> New bug: #193733 in vlc (universe) "Bug VLC FullScreen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193733
[17:28] <ubotu> New bug: #193694 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig(), no driver for graphiccard was installed ! (dup-of: 144769)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193694
[17:28] <ubotu> New bug: #193725 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "package linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic.list] failed to install/upgrade: fail buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193725
[17:28] <ubotu> New bug: #193726 in xorg-server (main) "package xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: falha em buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)rsa" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193726
[17:28] <ubotu> New bug: #193730 in haskelldb (universe) "Package libghc6-haskelldb-dev not installable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193730
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193734 in brasero (main) "brasero crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193734
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193735 in epiphany (universe) "Epiphany does not allow custom js right click menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193735
[17:31] <pedro_> bdmurray: that looks good :-)
[17:32] <bdmurray> pedro_: thanks, I've put it on the meeting agenda for today
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #193736 in linux (main) "CPA cache attribute bug in v2.6.22/v2.6.24" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193736
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #189996 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189996
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192450 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in GNOME_Evolution_ShellView_setTitle()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192450
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193738 in acpi (main) "ACPI problems with Toshiba Tecra 8000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193738
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #193739 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "Regression: Cannot move cursor to custom colour picker widgets (using Tab key) in Resources page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193739
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #190406 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in camel_pop3_engine_command_free()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190406
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193741 in emesene (universe) "Please update to latest svn version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193741
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #193743 in metacity (main) "[hardy] metacity usability problems with and without composite support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193743
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193744 in cacti (universe) "[SECURITY] cacti - CVE-2008-0785 and CVE-2008-0786" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193744
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193746 in flashrom (universe) "Please sync flashrom 0.0+r3073-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193746
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193745 in nautilus-cd-burner (main) "Nautilus is unable to burn DVDs on my system." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193745
[18:04] <DanielEads> Who's got privileges to edit pages on LP?  This bug is an easy, easy, easy fix  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/140473/
[18:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140473 in launchpad "Ubuntu code of conduct file name" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:06] <bdmurray> DanielEads: the best channel for that bug is #launchpad
[18:06] <DanielEads> Alrighty
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193747 in linux (main) "Hardy alpha 4 - Shutdown not powering off. No suspend nor hibernate functioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193747
[18:16] <Gnine> system is back to normal. pycentral fix worked. update-manager is operational.
[18:17] <Gnine> i386 - 8.04 . 2.6.24-8
[18:17] <Gnine> compiz is operational as well
[18:19] <Gnine> however, on update, seahorse lost keys. FF3 also lost profile and all bookmarks
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193144 in totem (main) "totem-plugin-viewer crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193144
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193749 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Saving network location as name with forward slash does nothing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193749
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193231 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with AttributeError in read_preinst_pkgconfig()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193231
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #193751 in evolution (main) "'Wrap Lines' menu item is disabled when composing messages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193751
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193753 in apache2 (main) "mod_autoindex not configured for UTF-8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193753
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193034 in python-central (main) "pycentral crashed with ValueError in parse_versions()" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193034
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193756 in moon-lander (universe) "Moonlander game crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193756
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #193759 in mousetweaks (main) "Upload to Ubuntu main repo (diff.gz supplied)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193759
[18:57] <ubotu> New bug: #193755 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with AttributeError in isXorgConfigChanged()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193755
[18:57] <ubotu> New bug: #193757 in xfonts-artwiz "no candidate found for xfonts-artwiz in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193757
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #193761 in evolution (main) "Could not connect to <IP_ADDRESS>: Connection refused" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193761
[19:02] <Gnine> its worst than i thought. all profiles in all programs have been reset.
[19:03] <Gnine> compiz is working. but some settings do not function as expected or not at all
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193762 in nautilus (main) "Can't paste nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193762
[19:15] <Gnine> firefox is broken. search engine does not work. import bookmark file does not work. restore bookmarks option does not work.
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #193763 in banshee (universe) "[hardy] 0.13.2+dfsg-2 crash when importing files or folders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193763
[19:17] <Gnine> all in hardy too
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #193764 in evolution-scalix (universe) "evolution-scalix FTBFS with current evolution" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193764
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #193766 in gnome-panel (main) "Quit Dialog Incorrect Wording/Grammer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193766
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #193767 in xdg-user-dirs (main) "Problem with "Scaricati" points to "Scrivania" in italian version " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193767
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193769 in gnome-translate (universe) "not installable/wrong dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193769
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193770 in gnome-translate (universe) "wrong debian/rules script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193770
[19:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193771 in firefox (universe) "GnomeUI -WARNING" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193771
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193777 in totem (main) "Totem-xine crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193777
[20:29] <ubotu> New bug: #193783 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice 2.3 Crash on start/does not load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193783
[20:32] <ubotu> New bug: #193784 in amarok (main) "Amarok Size Mismatch (gutsy-backports)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193784
[20:37] <ubotu> New bug: #193786 in openoffice.org (main) "Open Office.org does not display autorecover settings " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193786
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193790 in gnome-panel (main) "quit button doesn't work when gnome-power-manager not running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193790
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193791 in ubuntu "Default video playback settings are bad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193791
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193793 in mesa (main) "[hardy] X crashes on r300 during f-spot slideshow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193793
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193795 in glibc (main) "Printf inconsistency when handed null string" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193795
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193798 in ubuntu "Audio-CD is not recognised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193798
[21:04] <ubotu> New bug: #193799 in ubuntu "Evolution Mail window too Big to configure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193799
[21:07] <ubotu> New bug: #192828 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 131679)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192828
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #139877 in emerald "emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_gc_new_with_values()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139877
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #193803 in ubuntu "Application to become official mirror ignored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193803
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193808 in mumble (universe) "mumble refuses to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193808
[21:40] <ubotu> New bug: #193810 in upstart (main) "support for booting in emergency (-b) mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193810
[21:52] <ubotu> New bug: #193812 in mplayerplug-in (multiverse) "mozilla-mplayer plugin isn't detected in Firefox 3.0beta3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193812
[21:52] <ubotu> New bug: #193816 in obex-data-server (universe) "Main Inclusion Request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193816
[21:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193818 in gnomescan (universe) "Please update to latest version (0.5.4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193818
[21:55] <ubotu> New bug: #193819 in nspluginwrapper (multiverse) "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_is_value_type()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193819
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #193824 in gnome-app-install (main) "package gnome-app-install <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193824
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193821 in ubuntu "display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193821
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193822 in ubuntu "storage devices are continually polled" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193822
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193823 in alsa-utils "HDA Intel cards with "Digital" capture mixers default to a  very low volume" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193823
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193825 in audacity (universe) "[Hardy] Audacity runs into errors on install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193825
[22:17] <ubotu> New bug: #193826 in kdegraphics (main) "kpdf printing and modifying page size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193826
[22:17] <ubotu> New bug: #193827 in audacity (universe) "[Hardy] Audacity won't record and playback simulaneoustly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193827
[22:26] <LaserJock> ogasawara: ping
[22:26] <ogasawara> LaserJock: pong
[22:26] <LaserJock> ogasawara: is there a particular method you're using for tagging ubuntu-qa?
[22:27] <ogasawara> LaserJock: I've got a python-launchpad-bugs script
[22:27] <LaserJock> sorry, I meant actually figuring out what ones to tag
[22:27] <LaserJock> are you just going through them and if they look interesting tagging them?
[22:27] <ubotu> New bug: #193828 in ubuntu "ATI Radeon 9000 + Asus VW195D 1440x900 lcd monitor: left black bar showed at highest resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193828
[22:27] <ubotu> New bug: #193831 in apt (main) "apt-get doesn't upgrade nor install programs anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193831
[22:28] <ogasawara> LaserJock: ah :)  it was just a list the qa team put together of bugs we were interested in
[22:28] <LaserJock> oh ok, great
[22:28] <LaserJock> I just noticed that quite a few of them were ones I'd tagged for MOTU as well
[22:29] <LaserJock> so I guess MOTU and Ubuntu QA minds think alike ;-)
[22:29] <ogasawara> :)
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193829 in linux-source-2.6.22 "problem reading DVD after starting packetwriting with empty drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193829
[22:38] <ubotu> New bug: #193832 in screenlets (universe) "LauncherScreenlet.py crashed with OSError in __create_tempfile()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193832
[23:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193835 in ubuntu ""error was : unable to use nautilus , the ubuntu hangs up and firefox session stops on its own"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193835
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #193839 in totem (main) "no sound no error lenovo 3000 N200 all ubuntu / kubuntu / edubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193839
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #193836 in ia32-libs (universe) "GTK icons broken on ia32 apps running under amd64" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193836
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #193837 in virt-manager (universe) "virt-manager: initial install window problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193837
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193840 in dell "[Hardy][Inspiron 1525] No sound through built-in speakers or headphone jacks" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193840
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #193841 in rats (universe) "Please sync rats 2.1-8 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193841
[23:46] <greg-g> ohs nows, 14 minutes and LP goes offline
[23:49] <LaserJock> uh oh, how am I gonna do my 5! :-)
[23:53] <greg-g> quick quick quick!!
[23:56] <bdmurray> At least ubotu will be quiet for a while.
[23:57]  * jcastro snuck in his 5 earlier
[23:58] <bdmurray> jcastro: hey
[23:58] <jcastro> bdmurray: hi
[23:59] <bdmurray> Maybe everybody knows about it but I found this neat querybts utility for searching debian bugs
[23:59] <bdmurray> I thought it might be helpful when linking reports


[04:19] <Private_User> Maaz, what is the best shutdown command for Lubuntu?
[04:19] <Maaz> Private_User: Erk, dunno
[04:19] <Private_User> Maaz, :(
[04:19] <Maaz> Private_User: Excuse me?
[04:19] <Private_User> lol
[04:20] <Private_User> Maaz, coffee
[04:20] <Maaz> Private_User: coffee is liquid code
[04:20] <Private_User> lol
[04:23] <Private_User> I guess everybody is still asleep?
[04:24] <Private_User> Wondering if anybody else has been experiencing an issue with in my case lubuntu not shutting down?
[04:24] <Private_User> When I try to shutdown it reboots the machine
[04:25] <Private_User> even tried the terminal
[04:25] <Private_User> using sudo shutdown -P and -H
[04:25] <Private_User> using sudo shutdown -P now and -H
[04:57] <Private_User> ok cool no worries when you guys get a chance let me know how I can resolve this will ask again later when others have logged on
[04:58] <Private_User> cheers for now
[05:17] <Kilos> morning geek types , lurkers included
[05:28] <nuvolari> o/ morning oom Kilos :)
[05:29] <nuvolari> hello Xethron, Private_User, maaz
[05:29] <Maaz> yo
[05:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[05:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: There isn't a pot on
[05:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[05:29]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[05:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[05:29] <nuvolari> you don't know me
[05:29] <Private_User> morning nuvolari and Kilos
[05:30] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[05:30] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[05:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[05:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[05:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, just ask for large or larger
[05:32] <Private_User> yo Kilos, what was that command you told me to shut down ubuntu from terminal again? Sorry I forgot where I wrote it down or if I even wrote it down
[05:32] <Kilos> sudo shutdown -h now
[05:33] <Private_User> I have been having issues with shutting down cause when I try to shutdown it reboots the machine
[05:33] <Private_User> yep try that
[05:33] <Kilos> sudo reboot to reboot
[05:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari and Kilos!
[05:33] <Kilos> oh my
[05:33] <Kilos> wait
[05:33] <Kilos> there was another thing that sorted that
[05:34] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall upstart
[05:34] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[05:34] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[05:34] <Private_User> I even tried this solution http://netgator.blogspot.com/2012/07/ubuntu-lubuntu-1204-shutdown-doesnt.html
[05:34] <Private_User> ok let me try the above quickly, thanks Kilos
[05:35] <Kilos> yw
[05:36] <Private_User> does Maaz make milo or hot chocolate as well?
[05:36] <Private_User> :D
[05:36] <Kilos> lol no just coffee
[05:36] <Kilos> and half tea
[05:36] <Kilos> Maaz, tea please
[05:36] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils Kilos I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[05:38] <Private_User> :( Kilos, it did not resolve the issue still rebooting
[05:39] <Kilos> i have that quiet splash removed evrything between the " "
[05:39] <Kilos> and one more thing , lemme find it
[05:42] <Private_User> you kinow to be honest most people would be frustrated having issues, for me I am actually a little glad cause each time I google I learn something new I can do with Ubuntu
[05:42] <Private_User> :)
[05:43] <Kilos> yeah but i had to ask here because i hate google
[05:43] <Private_User> lol
[05:43] <Kilos> everyone says google is your friend, but not mine
[05:43] <Kilos> sec while i look for that boot splash thingie
[05:43] <Private_User> why not? so which search engine do you use?
[05:43] <Private_User> ok cool thanks
[05:44] <Kilos> google but i hate getting 500 pages to search through
[05:46] <Private_User> well in my case and many others I know Google is what makes them an "expert" at their job LOL
[05:46] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[05:46] <Kilos>  remove the "quiet splash"
[05:46] <Kilos> sudo update-grub2
[05:46] <Kilos> i have an extra bit somewhere
[05:47] <Kilos> you delete quiet splash there but leave the ""
[05:48] <Private_User> what about acpi=force?
[05:49] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/129738/can-i-disable-the-ubuntu-splashscreen
[05:49] <Kilos> i have it saved somewhere but forgot where
[05:50] <Kilos> do you know how to use nano?
[05:50] <Kilos> i think that sudo update-grub2 should be sudo update-grub
[05:50] <Kilos> hi bd
[05:50] <Kilos> ai!
[05:51] <Kilos> bduk1,
[05:56] <Kilos> whew where did i hide it?sigh
[05:57] <Kilos> im sure there was something to uncomment as well
[05:57] <Kilos> Private_User, can you use nano?
[05:57] <Private_User> oops now it seems worse, not the screen goes off but the machine is still running
[05:57] <Private_User> *now
[05:58] <Kilos> now try sudo shutdown -h now
[05:58] <Private_User> ok that was just for -H
[05:58] <Kilos> small h
[05:58] <Private_User> -P now reboots again
[05:59] <Private_User> ah ok sorry let me try that
[05:59] <Kilos> you reinstalled upstart?
[05:59] <Private_User> ok stil the same it reboots
[05:59] <Kilos> i see one place they say nvidia drivers are interfering
[06:00] <Private_User> yep when you mentioned it earlier
[06:00] <Kilos> do you have nvidia installed?
[06:00] <Private_User> let me check
[06:01] <Kilos> is it a lappy or desktop?
[06:02] <Private_User> yep nvidia-common is ticked under Synaptic Package Manager
[06:02] <Private_User> desktop
[06:03] <Kilos> do you need nvidia?
[06:03] <Kilos> try sudo aptitude install nvidia-current
[06:04] <Kilos> and see if it sees errors anywhere
[06:04] <Private_User> but I think that solved my screen resolution
[06:04] <Private_User> I now have 1024x768
[06:04] <Kilos> ya it does
[06:04] <Private_User> did not have that option before
[06:04] <Kilos> mine is even bigger
[06:04] <Kilos> dunno how to find it
[06:05] <Kilos> oh in settings you can choose it where it shows  1024x768
[06:05] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[06:07] <Kilos> yo bduk1 mazal siek al weer?
[06:08] <bduk1> Nee net bietjie besig op ons ander site. Sal seker nou nou terug wees
[06:08] <Kilos> a
[06:20] <Kilos> Private_User, when did this start happening?
[06:20] <Private_User> yesterday
[06:21] <Kilos> after an upgrade?
[06:21] <Private_User> man I hate these CRT monitors, thats what I am using for the desktop. you have to adjust the display manually on the actually screen
[06:22] <Private_User> well I think it was after an update but I cannot remember doing an update the day before yesterday
[06:22] <Private_User> I performed one on Sunday
[06:22] <Private_User> and monday it shutdown fine
[06:22] <Private_User> even Tuesday
[06:22] <Kilos> eish
[06:22] <Private_User> so I cannot be 100% sure what may have changed
[06:23] <Kilos> i wish the clever peeps would jump in here
[06:23] <Private_User> lol, thought you were one of them
[06:23] <Kilos> nope im a noob because i forget what they teach me
[06:24] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:24] <Kilos> im supposed to be the greater bot here
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[06:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:25] <Private_User> lol
[06:25] <Kilos> Private_User, whats happening?
[06:26] <Private_User> still the same Shudown option just reboots the machine
[06:26] <Kilos> oh and do you have a nvidia graphics card in there
[06:27] <Kilos> type in the dash additional
[06:27] <Kilos> maybe specific drivers will help
[06:28] <Kilos> some guys can find errors if you run tail /var/lod/syslog but i dont understand it
[06:29] <Kilos> ai!
[06:29] <Kilos> tail /var/log/syslog
[06:34] <Kilos> Private_User, how did you start the upgrade?
[06:34] <Private_User> I went to system tools update manager
[06:34] <Private_User> then clicked check
[06:34] <Private_User> then Install updates
[06:35] <Kilos> try running sudo apt-get update
[06:35] <Kilos> then
[06:35] <Kilos> sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:35] <Kilos> aptitude should tell you if something is not lekker
[06:36] <Private_User> ok its running lets see what happens
[06:37] <Kilos> i had this prob when 12.04 just came out but who knows how i cured it
[06:37] <Private_User> ok cool it completed does not seem like any errors are there
[06:37] <Private_User> it says 0 needed to be upgraded or installed
[06:37] <Kilos> and what does additional in dash show you?
[06:38] <Kilos> this is very upsetting, 12.04 is supposed to just work
[06:39] <Private_User> huh?
[06:39] <Kilos> you know dash that top icon
[06:39] <Kilos> type in additional
[06:39] <Kilos> it should show additional drivers available
[06:40] <Kilos> like an auto lookup whats needed in the pc
[06:42] <Private_User> how do I run that?
[06:43] <Kilos> do you know the dash
[06:43] <Kilos> that top button on the launcher on the left
[06:45] <Private_User> ok dude please remeber if you a noobie I am what ever is below a noobie LOL
[06:45] <Private_User> I think you have lost me now
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:45] <Kilos> you on unity hey?
[06:46] <Kilos> with the lancher panel on the left
[06:46] <Kilos> launcher
[06:46] <Kilos> the very top button/icon thingie is called the dash
[06:48] <Private_User> I am using Lubuntu?
[06:50] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[06:50] <Kilos> i forgot sorry
[06:51] <Kilos> lemme see what google says
[06:53] <Kilos> try sudo poweroff
[06:54] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, will tail /var/log/syslog show why pc reboots instead of shutting down
[06:55] <Private_User> nope poweroff does the same reboots
[06:57] <Kilos> ok lets look here
[06:57] <Kilos> Preferences > Additional Drivers.
[06:57] <Kilos> you have preferences hey?
[07:05] <Private_User> I am there now
[07:05] <Private_User> hang on its still busy searching
[07:05] <Kilos> cool
[07:05] <Kilos> i go let sheep out quick
[07:06] <Private_User> ok it states No proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[07:08] <Kilos> and no options of whats needed?
[07:09] <Kilos> grrr
[07:09] <Private_User> nope its blank
[07:09] <Kilos> oh you using onboard graphics?
[07:09] <Kilos> no graphics card in there?
[07:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:10] <Private_User> nope no graphics card
[07:10] <Kilos> ok then we gotta find where that error is coming from
[07:11] <Kilos> inetpro, help man
[07:12] <Kilos> oh Private_User i found the boot splash stuff
[07:12] <Private_User> great
[07:12] <Kilos> on other pc
[07:12] <Kilos> sigh
[07:13] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[07:13] <Kilos> delete  quiet splash in
[07:13] <Kilos> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[07:13] <Kilos> then uncomment
[07:13] <Kilos> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[07:14] <Kilos> uncomment means delete the #
[07:14] <Kilos> and do sudo update-grub
[07:21] <Private_User> :( still no cigar
[07:21] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy peer got you
[07:21] <Private_User> rebooting again
[07:21] <Kilos> ok lets go ask lubuntu Private_User
[07:21] <Kilos> type in here /j #lubuntu
[07:25] <Kilos> now we wait
[07:25] <Private_User> you know Kilos I did ask them earlier but I think there was nobody around then a guy did try but he left asking another to assist but not sure what happen to him
[07:25] <Kilos> lots of other channels take ages to help
[07:26] <Kilos> this is the friendliest most helpful channel on irc
[07:27] <Private_User> lol , I guess we will have to wait I will continue to google and I now understand what you were complaining about cause many of them are repeat solution from different sites and none of them working for me
[07:27] <Kilos> you can join my channel too Private_User then we wont fill pages here
[07:27] <Kilos> ##kilos
[07:28] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:29] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:58] <inetpro> Private_User: what did you break?
[07:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro lubuntu 12.04 dont shutdown keeps rebooting
[07:59] <Kilos> tried lotsa stuffs
[07:59] <inetpro> is it not a hardware problem?
[07:59] <Kilos> sudo shutdown -h now reboots as well
[07:59] <Kilos> we asking you man
[07:59] <Kilos> if we knew we wouldnt ask
[08:00] <Private_User> lol inetpro, yeah Kilos and I have been trying many options to try and resolve
[08:00] <Kilos> we carrying on on my channel to save you scroll backs
[08:00] <inetpro> doesn't sound like a software problem to me
[08:01] <inetpro> so anything you install or re-install won't help
[08:01] <Private_User> nope
[08:01] <inetpro> but obviously you need to verify what I say
[08:01] <inetpro> boot from life CD
[08:02] <Private_User> ok
[08:02] <inetpro> or usb
[08:03]  * Kilos looks on to see the master at work
[08:03] <inetpro> uh
[08:03] <Private_User> booted from USB
[08:04] <inetpro> and what happens when you shutdown now?
[08:04] <inetpro> probably still going to just reboot
[08:05] <Private_User> ok let me check though I needed to do something else so I was still on the menu LOL another ID-10-T issue
[08:05] <Private_User> LOL
[08:05] <Private_User> ok waiting for it to boot from USB
[08:08] <Kilos> you think its hardware inetpro ?
[08:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:08] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[08:09] <Kilos> but it worked till yesterday
[08:10] <inetpro> the shutdown command is very simple, not much that can go wrong with that
[08:10] <Kilos> ah i see the reasoning
[08:10] <Private_User> yep inetpro does the same
[08:11] <inetpro> and it's most likely exactly the same shutdown code/executable for every linux system out there
[08:11] <inetpro> you see
[08:11] <Private_User> but why would it suddenly stop working when it worked previously
[08:11]  * Kilos krap kop
[08:11] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg wb
[08:11] <SmilyBorg> Hey there
[08:12] <inetpro> try this, as much as it sounds weird... disconnect your screen as it shuts down
[08:12] <Private_User> ok let me try
[08:13] <inetpro> do you have any other special peripherals connected to the PC?
[08:14] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: hello and wb
[08:15] <SmilyBorg> Thanks guys. Been a bit bored and lonely so figured IRC would be a good place to hang out while I have time on my hands
[08:16] <Private_User> nope that did not work inetpro
[08:16] <Kilos> sorry to hear about the job issue SmilyBorg
[08:16] <inetpro> Private_User: hmm...
[08:16] <SmilyBorg> yeah, being retrenched sucks
[08:17] <Private_User> ok that just reminded me I plugged in a apple iPod to recharge on that machine could that have changed any settings?
[08:17] <Private_User> but that has been unplugged
[08:17] <SmilyBorg> oh well, I have a 3rd round interview at a place on Friday. hopefully that will be fruitfull
[08:17] <inetpro> Private_User: I doubt it's any settings
[08:18] <Private_User> ok
[08:18] <inetpro> but if it is settings then it would be in the BIOS
[08:18] <Private_User> because it did work previously
[08:18] <Private_User> ok let me have a look at the BIOS settings
[08:19] <Kilos> good luck SmilyBorg
[08:19] <Kilos> hmm.. power and battery out for 10 mins inetpro ?
[08:21] <SmilyBorg> thanks Kilos
[08:21] <Kilos> any bios can be corrupt if there was win on there before
[08:22] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: with Kilos in here you'll never be lonely :-)
[08:22] <Kilos> cheeky
[08:24] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[08:24] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: more serious, I hope you find something soon... just keep trying
[08:26] <Private_User> ok reset BIOS to default settings no difference
[08:26] <inetpro> Private_User: what happens when you press the power button for a few seconds, does it shutdown?
[08:26] <Private_User> yep it does
[08:26] <SmilyBorg> thanks inetpro. I'm keeping a look out but not much happening in Durban. gonna have to start applying for things in JHbn and CPT, though I'm not particularly keen to move
[08:28] <Private_User> SmilyBorg, you should maybe try some freelancing while you wait that could help, also PNET, CareerJunction, Jobmail, etc you can upload you CV there and apply online and I recently found that LinkedIn helps as well you just need to update you profile
[08:28] <Kilos> Private_User, what bios you got?
[08:28] <Kilos> award hopefully
[08:29] <Private_User> Kilos, that is correct
[08:29] <Vince-0> Sup SmilyBorg!
[08:30] <SmilyBorg> Private_User: Yeah, gonna look at the freelancing. already had a few hits off of PNET
[08:30] <SmilyBorg> Hey Vince-0
[08:30] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think it's the bios, must be hardware
[08:30] <Vince-0> Coffee tonight? There's something going on at the Factory
[08:30] <Kilos> whew
[08:30] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: maybe you have ideas for SmilyBorg
[08:30] <inetpro> oops for Private_User
[08:30] <Kilos> lol
[08:31] <SmilyBorg> Vince-0: maybe for a short while. Need to help Andrea pack for a trip to JHB
[08:31] <Private_User> what I don't understand is, it was working then yesterday I noticed it was not and I cannot be 100% sure of what changed
[08:31] <SmilyBorg> inetpro: maybe, what's wrong?
[08:32] <inetpro> Private_User: tell SmilyBorg
[08:32]  * inetpro has some work to be done
[08:32] <Private_User> when ever I try to shut down in Lubuntu it reboots the machine
[08:32] <Vince-0> SmilyBorg, I'm checkin the event now. May be a yawn
[08:32] <Private_User> tried both on the terminal and using the GUI
[08:33] <SmilyBorg> Private_User: so the system reboots rather than turning off?
[08:34] <Private_User> SmilyBorg, btw LinkedIn, this one friend of mine got an offer for a job in Australia that is how I know it works as well and my friend did not even apply they recruited
[08:34] <Private_User> SmilyBorg, that is correct
[08:34] <SmilyBorg> Private_User: interesting, I've update my details there so will see what happens.
[08:35] <SmilyBorg> Private_User: that is an odd one. never come across that happening before
[08:36] <SmilyBorg> brb
[08:45] <Private_User> yeah, is there any log file where I can check what may have changed on the system including any hardware changes?
[08:45] <inetpro> Private_User: could even be dust, I suggest opening the inside and re-seating components
[08:45] <Vince-0> SmilyBorg, http://www.pechakucha.org/cities/durban
[08:45] <Private_User> inetpro, interesting I think I will try that as well
[08:45] <Kilos> and blow the dust out if you can
[08:45] <Kilos> garage airline
[08:45] <Private_User> SmilyBorg: another thing I have learnt cause I was there where you are is that it can sometimes take up to 6 months before you can find something another option is to just hand you CV over to recruitment agencies
[08:45] <Private_User> sometimes more
[08:45] <Private_User> ok let me try cleaning the inside of the machine
[08:45] <Kilos> Private_User, remove the battery as well
[08:47] <Vince-0> jeeps this connection drops
[08:50] <Kilos> ohi deegee__ long time no see with this nick
[08:57] <Kilos> wb drussell
[08:59] <Private_User> hooray!!!
[08:59] <Private_User> success
[08:59] <Kilos> rofl fixed?
[08:59] <Kilos> \what a business
[08:59] <Private_User> removing the CMOS battery and re-inserting resolved the issue
[08:59] <Private_User> :D
[09:00] <Kilos> Maaz, inetpro ++
[09:00] <Kilos> who woulda thought it was hardware but the pro
[09:00] <inetpro> nee man Kilos, dit was jy wat dit genoem het
[09:00] <Kilos> nee man
[09:01] <Kilos> i havent had to battery out for a long time
[09:01] <inetpro> ek meen die battery storie
[09:01] <Private_User> but I also did remove some of the dust or what ever I could remove
[09:01] <Private_User> :)
[09:01] <inetpro> Private_User: well done!
[09:01] <Kilos> that was just an addon to your cleaning and reseating advice
[09:02] <Private_User> yep shutdown now works perfectly via terminal and GUI options
[09:02] <Kilos> Private_User, best way is with airline at garages with an old valve in the end of the wheel pumping pipe
[09:02] <nlsthzn> yeah the net split is over... alo uncle Kilos and all :)
[09:02] <Private_User> thanks inetpro and Kilos  for all the help much appreciated
[09:03] <Kilos> thats why we are here Private_User
[09:03] <inetpro> Private_User: you're welcome
[09:03] <Kilos> sorry it took so long
[09:03] <Kilos> and as i said the most helpful irc channel
[09:03] <Kilos> we a good team here
[09:03] <Private_User> now I wondering what in the BIOS changed and how? (*scratches head*)
[09:04] <Kilos> i used to have it often with old pc
[09:04] <Kilos> many battery outs
[09:04] <Kilos> what mobo is it?
[09:05] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:05] <Kilos> gigabyte has lekker bios upgrade from xp
[09:05] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:06] <Kilos> at least it wasnt ubuntu hey Private_User
[09:06] <Kilos> makes me happy
[09:06] <Private_User> yep same here
[09:07] <SmilyBorg> back
[09:08] <Private_User> I looked into the setting of the BIOS again I cannot see anything very different and I even changed some setting back to what I saw it was before and it still shuts down
[09:08] <Private_User> so it could just be another setting that I cannot see
[09:09] <Kilos> ya somehow at times bios gets a bit corrupt and only battery out helps. the default settings keeps the bug there
[09:09] <Kilos> you got dual core cpu?
[09:10] <Kilos> then you can enable the threading thing for more speed
[09:10] <Private_User> not sure hey
[09:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:10] <Kilos> ok hang i got commands somewhere to check
[09:11] <Private_User> thanks
[09:14] <Kilos> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[09:14] <Private_User> thanks
[09:15] <Kilos> yw
[09:15] <Kilos> To count processor (including cores), enter:
[09:15] <Kilos> grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo
[09:16] <Kilos> once google was quicker than hunting for where i saved the info
[09:16] <Private_User> CPU Cores: 1
[09:17] <Kilos> ok then no threading needed
[09:18] <Private_User> cool
[09:18] <Private_User> so we know its a GenuineIntel, Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz
[09:20] <Kilos> thats a good cpu that , i have it in other pc
[09:21] <Kilos> will fly with 2g ram
[09:21] <Private_User> yeah good CPU only issue I have is my RAM
[09:21] <Private_User> only 512MB
[09:22] <Private_User> and it has only 2 slots both with 256 each
[09:22] <Kilos> ddr ram?
[09:22] <Kilos> not ddr1 or 2
[09:23] <Kilos> thats scarce as rocking horse droppings
[09:25] <Kilos> hi gwood
[09:30] <Private_User> @ Kilos, LOL,  its DDR I think
[09:30] <Kilos> eina i hunted everywhere
[09:30] <Kilos> got 2 ig cards but they clash so got one in each pc
[09:31] <Kilos> 1g
[09:32] <Kilos> and when you find they want more for secondhand cards than 2g ddr3
[09:32] <Kilos> swines
[09:34] <Private_User> yeah I guess they know that it is rare
[10:23] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:48] <adeebnqo> I have a memory card protected by a password, anyone know  how to reset it using ubuntu?
[10:49] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo
[10:49] <Kilos> what memory card?
[10:50] <adeebnqo> hello Kilos, its a micro sd card. I have an adapter so I can connect it directly to my pc --- I need way to mount it or smthng and reset the password
[10:50] <Kilos> whew
[10:51] <Kilos> i didnt know they put passwords om memory cards
[10:51] <Kilos> does you system see it?
[10:51] <Kilos> and the adapter is sd to what
[10:52] <adeebnqo> Nope. However, when I insert it on a phone--it wants a password
[10:52] <Kilos> what adapter
[10:52] <Kilos> to usb?
[10:53] <adeebnqo> the one that looks like a huge sd card but has a micro sd card slot
[10:57]  * Kilos has no idea what a sd card looks like huge or micro
[12:31] <DarkSurferZA> hi guys
[12:31] <DarkSurferZA> epic damage last night
[12:31] <Kilos> sjoe did you have to chop up the tree?
[12:31] <DarkSurferZA> tree dead
[12:32] <DarkSurferZA> dstv dead
[12:32] <Kilos> house the house
[12:32] <DarkSurferZA> xbox, just the power brick
[12:32] <Kilos> how is the house
[12:32] <DarkSurferZA> 2 tv's dead
[12:32] <Kilos> thats bad news hey
[12:33] <DarkSurferZA> lightning hit the tree, split it in half, and hit the ground next to the tree
[12:33] <Kilos> what do insurance peeps say
[12:33] <charl> good afternoon
[12:33] <DarkSurferZA> the ground sploded spraying mud on my walls, and rupturing a water pip from the municipal mains
[12:33] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[12:33]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:33] <charl> hi DarkSurferZA
[12:33] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:33] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:34] <DarkSurferZA> insurance will pay (with hefty excess)
[12:34] <Kilos> oh the tree didnt damage the roof?
[12:34] <Kilos> ai1 them and their excesses
[12:34] <DarkSurferZA> but could take up to 2 weeks to sort out the claim for electronics
[12:34] <DarkSurferZA> yo charl
[12:34] <Kilos> why
[12:34] <DarkSurferZA> roof fine
[12:35] <DarkSurferZA> assessor will come out in 2 days
[12:35] <DarkSurferZA> 4 days to assess root cause of damage to electronics
[12:35] <DarkSurferZA> insurance process claim and valuate goods
[12:35] <DarkSurferZA> FUUUUUuu!!!!!!!
[12:35] <Kilos> most likely no earth spike
[12:36] <DarkSurferZA> anyway, hope these guys sort out plumbing today still
[12:36] <Kilos> yeah
[12:36] <charl> sounds terrible DarkSurferZA
[12:36] <DarkSurferZA> how u guys doing?
[12:36] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/cPJEgDt.jpg
[12:37] <charl> much better than you, apparently :(
[12:37] <charl> sorry to hear about your troubles
[12:37] <DarkSurferZA> meh, such is life man. have days, and then have DAYS
[12:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[12:37] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[12:37] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[12:38] <Kilos> we fine. only got half a mil of rain though
[12:38] <DarkSurferZA> but thanks for the concern. dunno where i am gonna play xbox for a while, but again, life right?
[12:38] <Kilos> you play xbox lots?
[12:38] <charl> eating japanese mochi now
[12:38] <charl> with red bean paste inside
[12:38] <DarkSurferZA> of all the problems i could have, these are good ones.
[12:39] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: love xbox man. playing tons of GTA V
[12:39] <Kilos> eeek you have worse ones?
[12:39] <DarkSurferZA> was playing tons of GTA V
[12:39] <Trixar_za> GTA isn't so bad
[12:39] <Kilos> ive never seen one
[12:39] <DarkSurferZA> no, dont have worse problems, just think they could be worse.
[12:40] <Trixar_za> Just gets a bad rep - kind of like Doom and funny enough, Night Trap
[12:40] <DarkSurferZA> ie, no internet.
[12:40] <Trixar_za> Night Trap is why games have a rating and age restrictions
[12:40] <DarkSurferZA> or no electricity.
[12:40] <charl> internet goes down, life stops
[12:40] <DarkSurferZA> scary  right?
[12:40] <charl> "why live" and jump off a building
[12:40] <Trixar_za> The funny part is that it doesn't feature anything of what it was accused
[12:40] <charl> " i can't take it anymore "
[12:41] <Trixar_za> None of the politicians or Media people actually played it to see
[12:41] <DarkSurferZA> Trixar_za: agree, but it is just the themes i guess
[12:41] <Trixar_za> Yeah, but you get worse things in real life
[12:41] <Trixar_za> Hell, in SA we tend to LIVE GTA
[12:41] <Trixar_za> :P
[12:42] <DarkSurferZA> if ur kids are crap at life, blame music, games, internet, porn, government, schools, and just about everyone else
[12:42] <Trixar_za> Except the parents, hey? :P
[12:42] <charl> whhaaha, live gta
[12:42] <Trixar_za> I heard the funniest warning yesterday
[12:42] <Trixar_za> It was for an adult podcast on CCMixter
[12:43] <DarkSurferZA> well, i havent seen anyone fly a crop duster in to the back of a bomber before
[12:43] <DarkSurferZA> Trixar_za: yeah, what was it?
[12:43] <Trixar_za> "This Podcast is indented for persons 18 years and older. If that is not you, then turn this off immediately, go find your parents and tell them they're doing a bad job parenting you."
[12:44] <Trixar_za> Intended*
[12:44] <charl> lol
[12:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:44] <DarkSurferZA> lol
[12:44] <DarkSurferZA> so much lol
[12:44] <DarkSurferZA> but the truth though.
[12:45] <charl> you can't blame everything on the parents either though
[12:45] <Trixar_za> It's even funnier if you hear how she says it
[12:45] <Kilos> nope not everything
[12:45] <Kilos> when kids get to school then parents know nothing and teach knows all
[12:46] <DarkSurferZA> what? if they can blame everyone else, then everyone else should be able to blame them.
[12:46] <charl> lol
[12:46] <DarkSurferZA> Just kidding,
[12:46] <Trixar_za> In what universe? Generally they disregard the teachers
[12:46] <charl> DarkSurferZA: i was meaning to speak to you about something... you do pen testing right?
[12:46] <Kilos> oh ya times have changed some hey
[12:47] <DarkSurferZA> charl:  maybe..... it depends
[12:47] <charl> DarkSurferZA: i am busy designing a protocol for instant messaging / voip / file sharing with encryption as a base
[12:47] <DarkSurferZA> Ok, sounds cool
[12:48] <charl> DarkSurferZA: i use xmpp right now but the main two problems are that a) there must be some data retention on the server (e.g. user accounts) and there is no built-in redundancy
[12:48] <charl> the second should be b) of course :)
[12:48] <charl> what i have so far is: http://charl.eu/e2ee/
[12:48] <DarkSurferZA> Lemme have a look
[12:48] <charl> if you happen to have some time to look it over and give me your thoughts, please do
[12:48] <charl> thanks !
[12:49] <Trixar_za> http://ccmixter.org/files/RoseCaraway/36017
[12:49] <Trixar_za> That's the one with the warning
[12:54] <DarkSurferZA> charl: only had a brief look, havent had time to process yet, but itsounds like an IM protocol built on tor and perspectives
[12:54] <charl> no definitely nothing to do with tor
[12:55] <charl> i want to stay the heck away from it
[12:55] <DarkSurferZA> Yeah, i mean from a framework perspective.
[12:55] <DarkSurferZA> Also have you seen the perspectives project?
[12:55] <charl> it takes end-to-end encryption seriously though
[12:55] <charl> can't say i have, although it does sound vaguely familiar
[12:56] <charl> this one? http://perspectives-project.org/
[12:57] <DarkSurferZA> Couple of issuesmay arise with identity theft, and NSA snooping but it could work given some tinkering
[12:58] <DarkSurferZA> Also doesnt allow for users to recover their identities because they own their identities. That is a problem for the typical end user
[12:58] <DarkSurferZA> Let me apply my brain here properly and we can chat in a different forum
[12:58] <DarkSurferZA> Sure other people here dont want to be bored by my ramblings.
[12:58] <charl> identity theft? sorry i don't get it
[12:59] <charl> and it's supposed to circumvent nsa snooping by keeping all the keys on the client only
[12:59] <Kilos> no man
[12:59] <charl> so even the server operators have the absolute minimum access to information
[12:59] <Kilos> we all wanna see how clever you are
[13:01] <DarkSurferZA> The problem with certificates, especially asmetric certs is that the public keysare
[13:01] <DarkSurferZA> Crap
[13:01] <DarkSurferZA> Keys a
[13:01] <DarkSurferZA> Urgh!!!  Gimme a sec. Keyboard fail
[13:01] <charl> np :)
[13:02] <DarkSurferZA> Try again
[13:03] <DarkSurferZA> Public keys crypt messages in a static manner, right? So if you crypt "hi" 7 times with the same pub key
[13:03] <DarkSurferZA> You get the same cipher text
[13:03] <DarkSurferZA> Right?
[13:04] <Kilos> charl, question
[13:04] <DarkSurferZA> If the public key, is derived from the private key, and you have the cipher text as well as plain text, it is about filling in the blanks to get the private key
[13:04] <DarkSurferZA> Right?
[13:04] <Kilos> cant you build otr into it
[13:04] <Kilos> so pcs encrypt to each other
[13:04] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: tor is a bad idea, but charl has a workable idea in here.just needs tweaking
[13:05] <Kilos> oh is otr tor?
[13:05] <DarkSurferZA> Most end users dont like tor. Except if ur buying on the silk road that is
[13:05] <DarkSurferZA> Tor
[13:05] <DarkSurferZA> The onion router
[13:05] <Kilos> i dunno what that is
[13:05] <charl> yeah tor is slow and it's very often abused
[13:06] <Kilos> pidgin otr works well
[13:06] <Kilos> is that also tor?
[13:06] <charl> i was looking at having maximum two "servers" between the clients
[13:06] <charl> also so that you can transfer for example large files
[13:06] <charl> at a usable speed
[13:07] <DarkSurferZA> Anyway, charl, there are some cool ideas here man. I aint putting it down.
[13:07] <charl> Kilos: otr is another encryption technique, i didn't know about it at the time, but that is worth looking into
[13:07] <charl> Kilos: i drafted this spec based on openpgp instead but otr seems to have some advantages above openpgp
[13:08] <DarkSurferZA> But, if it were to work in a useable fashion, the client and the server would agree on a session key to be used in conjunction with the pgp keys
[13:08] <Kilos> the otr function used on xchat is a setup pain but pidgin is very simple
[13:08] <charl> the main advantage seems to be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_secrecy
[13:09] <charl> "In cryptography, forward secrecy (also known as perfect forward secrecy or PFS[1]) is a property of key-agreement protocols that ensures that a session key derived from a set of long-term keys will not be compromised if one of the long-term keys is compromised in the future."
[13:09] <charl> DarkSurferZA: yes the connections between the client and server and between servers are all tls
[13:09] <charl> DarkSurferZA: and then openpgp as an extra layer on top of tls for end-to-end encryption
[13:09] <DarkSurferZA> Also, the client would determin a circuit for sending messages, and the server could use a different one for their responses.
[13:09] <DarkSurferZA> Circuit = servers hops routing etc
[13:10] <charl> DarkSurferZA: exactly!
[13:10] <charl> so even if you can intercept a particuar path then you don't get the full communication
[13:10] <charl> you only have part of it
[13:10] <charl> so you could for example alternate between servers in different parts of the world
[13:10] <charl> so even if the encryption can be broken that adds an extra layer of difficulty
[13:11] <charl> you could even split up a single message and route parts of it through different servers
[13:11] <DarkSurferZA> This requires each server to be able to route traffic on a session bassis, as well as for the client to open multiple circuits to a host
[13:11] <charl> if you want to go full paranoia mode
[13:11] <charl> yeah my idea is that the clients determine the route
[13:11] <charl> and the client can do that in an ad-hoc fashion
[13:11] <charl> the idea is that the server needs to know the absolute minimum
[13:12] <charl> trust the client, not the server
[13:12] <DarkSurferZA> The problem is that the redundancy componant has a fail aspect that the NSA would abuse to harvest messages
[13:12] <DarkSurferZA> I.e. if the NSA controls1 host in a circuit, they could see the whole message.
[13:12] <charl> if you *could* take certain servers down
[13:13] <charl> hmmm not sure i understand
[13:13] <charl> in a circuit yes but the idea would be to use different circuits
[13:13] <DarkSurferZA> You dont need to take them down. Think water through some channels.
[13:13] <DarkSurferZA> If i want more water to go through 1 channel, i just make the other channel appear more full. Get it?
[13:14] <charl> yeah... but explain "more full"
[13:14] <Kilos> tap half closed
[13:15] <DarkSurferZA> Send it lots of work, so your client talks to other hosts
[13:15] <DarkSurferZA> Kilos: exactly
[13:15] <Kilos> decreasing flow in one pipe increases flow in other pipe
[13:15] <charl> that is possible yesah
[13:15] <charl> *yeah
[13:15] <charl> that could indeed be used as one avenue of attack
[13:15] <charl> however, the clients could also be "smart" about it
[13:15] <charl> for example, if sending messages through certain servers persistently fails, warn the user for example
[13:16] <charl> i don't think this is an issue you would very easily be able to work around actually, tough one
[13:16] <DarkSurferZA> No, because it wouldnt fail
[13:16] <DarkSurferZA> It would just process (successfully) fewer messages
[13:16] <DarkSurferZA> And the wider channel gets more of your messages
[13:16] <charl> but how would the client know the server is too "full" if no messages fail
[13:17] <charl> unless the server tells the client "sorry i'm being overloaded right now"
[13:17] <DarkSurferZA> The recipient acknowledges the message id right?
[13:17] <charl> but in that case the client could once again warn the user "be careful"
[13:17] <charl> yeah correct
[13:17] <charl> after it's been decrypted as part of the message
[13:17] <DarkSurferZA> So if i send 100 messages, and the first 10 go out
[13:18] <DarkSurferZA> 5 through channel 1, and 5 through channel 2
[13:18] <DarkSurferZA> 5 responses arive from channel 1, and so far, 0 from channel 2
[13:18] <DarkSurferZA> Client sends another 5 to channel 1, still waiting for responses from channel 2
[13:19] <DarkSurferZA> 40 messages into channel 1 later, 5 responses are received from channel 2
[13:19] <charl> ah i see, so this is how you funnel
[13:19] <DarkSurferZA> 90% of traffic is forces through a potentially bad gateway
[13:19] <charl> yeah makes sense
[13:20] <charl> but in a case like this, the client once again needs to be intelligent
[13:20] <charl> to split messages up and where it can't be, warn the user
[13:20] <charl> add more servers to create more paths
[13:20] <charl> but this could also happen on the receiving end
[13:20] <DarkSurferZA> Again, it is complicated.
[13:20] <charl> so the client needs to know the exact path to the other client, and once again would need to be intelligent about it and warn the user
[13:20] <DarkSurferZA> Because using this method, the NSA would "blacklist" all good servers
[13:21] <charl> "something's up be careful the network is under attack"
[13:21] <charl> yeah it's possible, you have a very good point, that definitely needs to be addressed
[13:22] <charl> you are like the first person that i speak to about this that actually has some good feedback, this is what i'm looking for, thanks :)
[13:22] <DarkSurferZA> Also, the client should never know the path of the message, as that requires a known circuit, somewhere in a readable message body
[13:22] <DarkSurferZA> Np
[13:22] <DarkSurferZA> I.e. meta data has more use to me on a large scale than data
[13:23] <DarkSurferZA> So if i know who talks to who the most, and i can fingerprint messages by the circuit they travel on, then i can id users
[13:23] <charl> i was thinking, the client selects a particular server it is connected to, and selects one of the servers the receiving end is connected to, and tells its server "here is the message, route it to this user on this server"
[13:23] <DarkSurferZA> The best defense i can come up with is 2 fold
[13:24] <DarkSurferZA> Ok, wait, let me hear more
[13:24] <charl> but that is in plaintext (well, not plaintext, it's over tls of course) and then sends the end-to-end encrypted part of the message after that
[13:24] <charl> so the most the servers could know is, this user is talking to that user
[13:25] <charl> absolutely nothing more
[13:25] <DarkSurferZA> So if a server can read the source, and destination, as well as the users desired next hop (to form a circuit), that must be clear text
[13:25] <DarkSurferZA> Right?
[13:25] <charl> the idea of course is that servers retain absolutely no data, but of course you can't force that down
[13:25] <charl> yes that first part yes
[13:25] <charl> it's almost like a packet with source and destination, but the data inside the packet is encrypted
[13:26] <charl> so the only data you could read if you are sitting on one of the servers is who is talking to who, but you don't know what they are saying (unless you can crack the crypto of course)
[13:26] <charl> and the end-to-end crypto is a transaction that is made between two clients, you could have the possiblity for multiple types of crypto, layered within each other
[13:26] <charl> you could also negotiate session keys etc
[13:27] <DarkSurferZA> Right. So the data inside is the message, but the metadata outside (user 1, talking to user 2, wants traffic to hop from me to server x to end user)  is in a publicly readable format
[13:27] <DarkSurferZA> Otherwise the serverr couldnt route the message, right
[13:27] <charl> yes, well not publicly readable, but readable by both servers yes
[13:27] <charl> exactly
[13:28] <charl> that is unfortunately necessary at this point, i haven't managed to figure out anything better
[13:28] <DarkSurferZA> Cool,so thats what i meant. The meta data, is of more value on a large scale, than the data.
[13:28] <DarkSurferZA> Data forms part of a targeted attack,meta data falls at the drag net
[13:29] <charl> yes, unfortunately
[13:29] <charl> the idea is however that each client has a list of trusted servers
[13:29] <DarkSurferZA> So, if i were looking for a terrorist for example (#noNSA)
[13:29] <DarkSurferZA> And i busted 1 user
[13:29] <charl> by trusted i mean only trust any server as far as absolutely necessary, no more
[13:30] <charl> but the server also, by necessity again, has to know the client's ip address for example, no way around it
[13:30] <DarkSurferZA> And my metadata said he spoke to 17 people.
[13:30] <DarkSurferZA> 17 people are suspects
[13:31] <DarkSurferZA> I can fingerprint those people based on the way they speak, even if they change ip addresses
[13:32] <DarkSurferZA> I can then read how much they speak to each other
[13:32] <DarkSurferZA> Then build a profile
[13:32] <DarkSurferZA> Then follow ip addresses as their fingerprints come online.
[13:32] <DarkSurferZA> Then have target attacks launched against each host
[13:33] <DarkSurferZA> For example, i have disclosed a 0 day to MSFT last week which allows me to access any network / service using NTLM
[13:34] <DarkSurferZA> Users always fail targeted attacks, so the idea is for a client to be anonymous, private, and untraceable.
[13:35] <DarkSurferZA> If for whatever reason they are compromised, they client must be amneasiac
[13:35] <DarkSurferZA> The only way this is possible is to design the solution from the ground up assumng that each server is compromised
[13:36] <DarkSurferZA> I have some brain farts at the moment on how to mitigate most of what we mentioned, but i need to organise them into meaningful thoughts
[13:38] <DarkSurferZA> I.e. broadcast your message with a random number of hops in the circuit (1-5), and use a raid 5 type arrangement where each message is broadcast to a random % of your server list
[13:38] <DarkSurferZA> But never a meaningfull % to any 1 host
[13:39] <DarkSurferZA> Also would need a notary principal, because signatures can be forged
[13:40] <DarkSurferZA> charl: i lose you man?
[13:42] <Kilos> he just changing gears
[13:46] <charl> hi sorry
[13:46] <charl> got interrupted
[13:48] <charl> DarkSurferZA: sounds really interesting
[13:48] <charl> i'm not trying to create another tor though, i'm trying to keep this relatively simple
[13:48] <charl> but you have some very interesting ideas here above
[13:58] <charl> DarkSurferZA: sorry i gotta get some work done on this end, shall we go off and do some more thinking, let it sink in and catch up in a couple of days? i really like your thinking
[14:04] <Xethron> Afternoon everyone
[14:05] <Xethron> Maaz: coffee on
[14:05]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:05] <Xethron> Maaz: coffee please
[14:05] <Maaz> Xethron: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[14:06] <Xethron> :(
[14:06] <Xethron> But I haven't had one yet
[14:06] <Xethron> Fine, I'll go make it myself
[14:08] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[14:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[14:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[14:08] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[14:08] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[14:08] <superfly> DarkSurferZA: I'm trying to figure out the URL that a device is making a connection to over HTTPS - any ideas? (I'm playing around)
[14:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Xethron and Kilos!
[14:09] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:09] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:12] <Xethron> Maaz: ty
[14:12] <Maaz> You are welcome Xethron
[14:13] <Kilos> all good Xethron ?
[14:13] <Xethron> mostly yes
[14:13] <Xethron> Just busy :)
[14:13] <Kilos> good
[14:14]  * Kilos waits for next storm. saw a pic sis got from youtube of the lightening in sandton last night
[14:14] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:21] <DarkSurferZA> Yo superfly
[14:21] <DarkSurferZA> Soz man, missed that
[14:21] <superfly> hey DarkSurferZA
[14:21] <DarkSurferZA> What kind of device
[14:21] <superfly> no worries
[14:22] <superfly> an iPod
[14:22] <DarkSurferZA> Download the free version of burp proxy online, then setup your proxy settings on the ipod
[14:23] <DarkSurferZA> Make it point to your running version of burp proxy
[14:24] <DarkSurferZA> Otherwise, if you want to catch alltraffic from your ipod, use a combination of wireshark, and an arp poison on the network
[14:58] <Vince-0> !
[15:51] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:50] <Kilos> hello kbmonkey
[16:56] <kbmonkey> hi. I go eat dinner - got black beans and brown rice. yum.
[16:56] <kbmonkey> and hear thunder again. ai!
[16:56] <Kilos> haha ok
[17:13] <Kilos> how is this for lightening  http://imageshack.com/i/2oqvdnj
[17:13] <Kilos> ask DarkSurfer he felt the after effects and is still feeling it
[17:58] <Private_User> thunder storm, gonna have to log off and shutdown cheers people
[17:58] <Private_User> later
[18:04] <kbmonkey> ja its hitting here now
[18:04] <kbmonkey> lots of lightning
[18:09] <Kilos> the heavens are angry with us
[18:32] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn wb
[18:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:32] <Kilos> more is nog n dag
[18:32] <nlsthzn> good night
[19:21] <inetpro> good evening
[19:30] <charl> hi inetpro
[19:30] <charl> hi psychicist
[19:31] <inetpro> hi charl
[19:33] <psychicist> hi charl
[19:33] <psychicist> hi inetpro
[19:33] <inetpro> hello psychicist
[19:52] <kbmonkey> evening. how goes alll?
[19:54] <kbmonkey> looking at the cone mua, it seems nice so far.
[20:03] <charl> hi kbmonkey
[20:03] <kbmonkey> hello 0/