[08:55] <pen> macogw: maybe I will try exiles with themes :\
[08:55] <macogw> i used to use banshee, but its crap at watching directories for new files
[08:55] <macogw> songbird doesnt do artwork
[08:55] <macogw> rhythmbox gets 'em both right, so i stick with it
[08:55] <pen> macogw: hm
[08:55] <pen> macogw: are there themese for rhythmbox?
[09:00] <ty> how do you fix package dependecies?
[09:00] <ty> is there a way to rebuild the apt database as such?
[09:02] <Lynoure> ty: what kind of dependecies? tried apt-get -f install   yet?
[09:03] <pen> macogw: btw, how to fetch cover from internet with rhythmbox? I installed the plugin
[09:04] <ty> Lynoure: not really sure im no pro with linux. it was all working great and i was installing stuff the other and started getting errors and now i cant update, i do remember somethingabout broken packages or dependecies though
[09:05] <Lynoure> ty: try   sudo apt-get -f install   (no package name needed)
[09:06] <jimiridge> update-manager suddenly wants to do a partial upgrade
[09:06] <toorima> anyone got checkgmail to work without manually installing Gtk2::Sexy from cpan?
[09:06] <ty> jimiridge: i have the same problem
[09:07] <jimiridge> guess i'll hold off any updates for a few days
[09:07] <ty> jimiridge: dooes the partial upgrade work?
[09:08] <jimiridge> nope
[09:08] <ty> Must be some sort of bug then
[09:11] <ty> Just found this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487
[09:11] <pen> macogw: the fetching plugin is not workign for me
[09:11] <KalEl> update manager prompts me to perform a "Partial" distribution upgrade, but in the update screen it halts saying "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[09:11] <KalEl> i already have hardy repository uptodate
[09:14] <pen> me too
[09:14] <ty> KalEl: Just sit tight http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487&page=2
[09:15] <calc> yipee people posting link to my comment :)
[09:16] <calc> looks like it should be done in about 4 hours
[09:16] <calc> previous version: Finished:   2008-03-05  (took 11 hours)
[09:17] <ty> calc: I was posting to Oldsoldier2003 :-)
[09:17] <calc> ty: yea :)
[09:17] <damo22> when does hardy come out?
[09:17] <calc> damo22: apr 24
[09:18] <damo22> calc: cool thx
[09:18] <bluefoxx> partial upgrade??!!...
[09:18] <damo22> calc: do you know is there going to be a xubuntu hardy release?
[09:18] <bluefoxx> and then it fails?...
[09:19] <ty> bluefoxx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743487
[09:19] <bluefoxx> :(   im confused
[09:19] <KalEl> yeah... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/146536
[09:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146536 in update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:19] <KalEl> that asks to use aptitude to do it
[09:19] <calc> damo22: probably, i don't use xubuntu so no idea
[09:19] <KalEl> i'm trying that
[09:19] <pen> lol
[09:19]  * calc gone to bed
[09:20] <bluefoxx> so i see the window borders are fixed on multiple x screens :) but teleport doesnt seem to work :( also the system tray on the second x screen is useless. i think it would be better as a clone as the system tray from x 0:0
[09:21] <mvo> KalEl: if a partial upgrade fails to calculate that usually means that the upgrade would remove ubuntu-desktop or some other important package. on hardy its nothing to worry about just yet, its most likely transient
[09:21] <ty> How do i see if my bluetooth hardware is being detected?
[09:21] <KalEl> both aptitude and apt says "The following packages have been kept back:" and a list of packages, but no apparent reason
[09:21] <enyc> date | cut -b 9-10 | (echo -n 24 -;echo) | echo `bc` days to go
[09:21] <mvo> if its not going away in a few hours, then I would like to hear more about it :) /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log contains some debug information
[09:21] <KalEl> ok thanks
[09:22] <tigerstein> hmm, it seems that todays OOo upgrade is broken
[09:22] <mvo> broken in what sense? package breakage (postinst/file-overwrite errors)?
[09:23] <KalEl> just so, this is the message i'm getting from aptitude http://pastebin.com/d1b95d575
[09:23] <tigerstein> it wants to delete the lang-support-{en,hu}, lang-support-translations-{en,hu}, the  mozilla-firefox-locale-{en,hu}, meg ooo language packages :/
[09:24] <gluer> can anyone tell me how i completely replace FF3 B4 with FF3 B5?
[09:24] <bluefoxx> ty: so basically, as a summarization dont allow the update?i take it they are still uploading them or something then
[09:24] <KalEl> for some reason, these packages appear with a star emblem in Synaptic
[09:24] <mvo> that is most likely the cause of the message that the partial upgrade can not be calculated, it will not continue if translations get removed
[09:24] <KalEl> do you know what that may mean?
[09:24] <ty> bluefoxx: yeah i wouldwait untill tomorrow
[09:24] <ty> would wait*
[09:24] <mvo> the little ubuntu symbol that looks a bit like a star means that the package comes from main
[09:25] <bluefoxx> andways, i was just playing with blender, im off to bed[how can it be 1:30 in the morning allready? i just got home from school what feels like 5 minutes ago...]
[09:25] <elmargol> do I really have to compile ffmpeg in order to get h264 support?
[09:25] <elmargol> or is there a repository for the free world? (not us)
[09:25]  * bluefoxx changes nick to an away nick and turns off his monitors, then lays back and closes his eyes. waht a geek
[09:26] <KalEl> ok "update-manager -d" could not do it and halted with the cannot calculate upgrade error message, but "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to have no problem at all :)
[09:27] <tigerstein> so, its better to wait for the next "patch tuesday"? :)
[09:27] <KalEl> i found it in this blog entry: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
[09:27] <mvo> KalEl: yeah, apt-get has much less polcy than update-manager, it will happily remove ubuntu-desktop or translation packages
[09:28] <mvo> policy even
[09:28] <KalEl> you're right, it's going to remove language translation packages
[09:29] <mvo> its fine if you don't need translations
[09:30] <KalEl> ok thank you
[09:30] <mvo> np
[09:30] <toorima> anyone got checkgmail to work without manually installing Gtk2::Sexy from cpan?
[09:44] <savvas> toorima: you could file a bug about it :P
[09:47] <toorima> savvas: there is a bug filed about file missing from repo, was hoping someone knew of a deb pack somewhere
[09:49] <savvas> http://marius.scurtescu.com/2007/06/25/installing_checkgmail_on_ubuntu
[09:51] <DeepB> toorima: http://cgmail.tuxfamily.org/
[09:52] <savvas> sweet
[09:53] <toorima> cool i'll look into those links, thx
[09:55] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone else having difficulties updating
[09:55] <gluer> yes
[09:55] <tigerstein> yes :/
[09:55] <DeepB> yes, openoffice
[09:56] <tigerstein> OOo, is total useless for me right now, it doesn't start, but I don't know the reason, no error is given
[09:57] <vallhalla81> !vmwaer
[09:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmwaer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <tigerstein> but I sad that yesterday :)
[09:57] <savvas> DeepB: that's a great app :)
[09:57] <savvas> toorima: use cgmail
[09:57] <vallhalla81> !vmware
[09:57] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[09:58] <DeepB> savvas: thanks :)
[09:58] <toorima> savvas: i like the mark read/spam delete function that checkgmail has
[09:59] <savvas> ah
[10:00] <savvas> well.. in time.. :P
[10:00] <fraroco> how to rip a cd with juicer with a mp3 quality?
[10:01] <savvas> fraroco: menu disc > extract
[10:02] <savvas> you probably need to install some codecs: sudo apt-get install lame
[10:02] <jaffarkelshac> i am learning scripts, export PATH=$PATH:directory to add the path so i dont keep using ./script to run scripts. but the path is deleted when i close terminal
[10:02] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: you'll have to add it to your .bashrc
[10:02] <fraroco> savvas, I tried but it is ripped as ogg not mp3
[10:03] <gluer> can anyone tell me how i completely replace Firefox 3 B4 with Firefox B5?
[10:03] <jaffarkelshac> where exactly in the bashrc, i already added some aliases there
[10:03] <savvas> fraroco: 11:02:09 < savvas> you probably need to install some codecs: sudo apt-get install lame
[10:05] <savvas> ah wait
[10:06] <TuoDrable> hello!
[10:06] <alan_m> Hello TuoDrable
[10:06] <nacer> there is some problem with the MAJ ?
[10:06] <TuoDrable> I'm trying out the new beta
[10:06] <nacer> i have a poppup for partial MAJ but it fail
[10:06] <TuoDrable> but I'm having problems with my sound
[10:07] <TuoDrable> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:07] <TuoDrable> in Gutsy, there was a workaround
[10:07] <TuoDrable> with the backports
[10:07] <savvas> I guess they're supporting the open source format only.. you could extract to ogg, then convert to mp3 using soundconverter (from applications > add/remove programs)
[10:08] <savvas> fraroco: ^
[10:08] <fraroco> savvas,
[10:08] <TuoDrable> to install the new alsa 1.0.15
[10:08] <TuoDrable> and that worked totally
[10:09] <TuoDrable> but in Hardy now, it's broken
[10:09] <TuoDrable> if anyone could help me out, I'd be very pleased
[10:09] <xodeus> You have to add your model info to your alsa configuration TuoDrable
[10:10] <TuoDrable> ach, that option?
[10:10] <TuoDrable> wait, I'll give it a try
[10:11] <fraroco> savvas, I tried to do it with Juicer. It has the CD quality MP3 configured and checked the active option. However the options to rip does not have this one.
[10:12] <savvas> fraroco: file a bug or a brainstorm :)
[10:12] <fraroco> savvas, hahahaha thks ... !! :) I will
[10:24] <PolitikerNEU> Is there an option to save the data about installed packages so I can simply reinstall the packages when reinstalling the system?
[10:25] <gluer> how do i get second lcd display working?
[10:26] <Amaranth> PolitikerNEU: dpkg --get-selections
[10:27] <Amaranth> PolitikerNEU: and dpkg --set-selections
[10:27] <dooglus> upgrading to hardy has removed the free disk space monitor from the xfce4 panel, and re-enabled tracker (which silently proceeded to fill up the disk).  nice combination!
[10:27] <PolitikerNEU> ah - thanks Amaranth
[10:27] <Amaranth> dooglus: sounds like xubuntu problems, in ubuntu we disabled tracker :P
[10:27] <PolitikerNEU> at least the dpkg --get-selections works fine
[10:27] <holzmodem> hi, will be the epiphany-webkit package available before the release off hardy ?
[10:27] <Amaranth> no
[10:28] <Amaranth> it really doesn't work right now
[10:28] <dooglus> Amaranth: I'm not clear on the distinction.  I installed ubuntu, and then xubuntu-desktop.  I also have ubuntu-desktop.
[10:29] <Amaranth> dooglus: i dunno, i know tracker is disabled for ubuntu
[10:29] <Amaranth> that's a desktop thing so maybe xubuntu has it enabled
[10:30] <Lamego> when you mean disabld, you are refering to a fresh install, upgrading should not disable it (I guess)
[10:30] <dooglus> Amaranth: maybe.  what does ubuntu use for desktop search?
[10:30] <Amaranth> nothing
[10:31] <Amaranth> Lamego: right, it is only disabled in new installs
[10:31] <dooglus> Amaranth: any idea why?  seems like a step backwards to me?
[10:31] <Amaranth> dooglus: because it was discovered that the reason login time is so bad is all the disk IO
[10:31] <Amaranth> and tracker walks ~ on start
[10:31] <Lamego> dooglus, trackerd can be resources consuming, and not everyone needs it
[10:31] <dooglus> what about beagle?
[10:32] <dooglus> that's what was used in feisty I think
[10:32] <Amaranth> i believe deskbar is gone too
[10:32] <Amaranth> beagle was never used
[10:32] <Amaranth> and has a different problem, you have to load mono on login which is also lots of extra IO
[10:33] <dooglus> Amaranth: I was surprised to find that mono got installed today when I updated.  yesterday it wasn't required by ubuntu-desktop and today it is - can that be true?
[10:33] <Amaranth> dooglus: err, ubuntu-desktop has depended on mono stuff for a long time
[10:33] <Amaranth> for f-spot and tomboy
[10:34] <dooglus> Amaranth: I don't understand then.  I definitely had ubuntu-desktop installed recently without mono, f-spot, or tomboy
[10:34] <Amaranth> well, i think they are recommends
[10:34] <Amaranth> but most of the tools will install recommends automatically these days
[10:35] <Amaranth> their only use is you can remove them later
[10:35] <SpexBluefox> Hey guys. I'm having a problem with the latest 8.04 installation. I went with the "install from windows" option, and earlier it worked great. But after a few re-installs there isn't a version of 8.04 that seems to work. The issues seems to be in video or in X not starting.
[10:37] <SpexBluefox> Hardware is: 2 gigs RAM, Intel Centrino Duo 1.5 ghz, nVidia GeForce 8600 M. If you need more hardware info, let me know.
[10:39] <SpexBluefox> I admit being a bit new to Ubuntu, though not a total virgin. And certainly not new to computers. Is there anyone who can help me?
[10:40] <jaffarkelshac> well it depends what your problem is
[10:40] <Lynoure> SpexBluefox: just ask your questions, and most likely someone will.
[10:41] <Lynoure> SpexBluefox: I would not recommend Hardy for a new Linux user for another 20 days or so
[10:42] <jaffarkelshac> the most compatible one i tried when i was finding problems with my screen res was 6.10
[10:43] <SpexBluefox> well I would but I'm in need of using the install from windows option right now, since I really don't want to go through the hassle or making another partition on my system right now.
[10:43] <jaffarkelshac> so what is the problem exactly
[10:45] <SpexBluefox> Well it doesn't seem to give a whole lot of info when I try using it. I start with installing from Windows, which works just fine. Then I boot into the Ubuntu installation. When I was using the x64 version (which worked perfectly fine early before a couple of reinstalls due to experimenting) it just booted to a completely blank screen when problems started to happen. No backlight or anything...
[10:45] <SpexBluefox> ...on the laptop screen.
[10:46] <SpexBluefox> The most I managed to get on either x64 or x86 installs is a command prompt.
[10:46] <SpexBluefox> when using verbos, it just looks like it's hanging. No errors seem to be showing up really.
[10:50] <SpexBluefox> commands like "startx" don't work because at this point the OS isn't entirely installed. The process is suppose to pick up where it left off in windows.
[10:51] <kahrytan> Where can I get a list of known Hardy bugs?
[10:53] <macogw> kahrytan: launchpad
[10:54] <kahrytan> Umm tried.
[10:54] <kahrytan> Link please.
[10:54] <compwiz18> launchpad.net
[10:54] <Amaranth> kahrytan: you want the firehose?
[10:55] <kahrytan> No, I want a direct link to hardy bugs so I can access if they are tolerable.
[10:55] <Amaranth> all 43034 of them?
[10:55] <macogw> kahrytan: current biggest breakage is l-r-m not uploading for -13 kernel and gnome-settings-daemon being broken and the facebrowser gdm theme being broken and causing gdm to hang
[10:56] <macogw> all were caused by yesterday's updates
[10:56] <kahrytan> lol
[10:56] <kahrytan> That helps
[10:56] <bjwebb> hi
[10:56] <bjwebb> has the can't get to login on boot thing been fixed?
[10:57] <kahrytan> gnome-settings-daemon is important
[10:57] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  How would I do a search in launchpad for the list?
[10:58] <Amaranth> kahrytan: need to narrow your search parameters
[10:58] <kahrytan> to?
[10:59] <kahrytan> I am curious if Developers have kept in mind Widescreen support
[10:59] <Amaranth> for?
[11:00] <kahrytan> so many people getting widescreen monitors?
[11:00] <kahrytan> Just about every new pc these days have widescreen monitors with it
[11:01] <dns53> it seems to depend on the drivers, the new xorg does not need the xorg.conf and should autodetect everything
[11:03] <kahrytan> dns53->  thats sounds good
[11:03] <kahrytan> dns53->  I hope it can detect my 1440x900 resolution
[11:03] <jaffarkelshac> i need some help, i want to add path to run my script, someone said to add to .bashrc but am not sure where.
[11:04] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: the .bashrc is in your home directory
[11:04] <Lamego> jaffarkelshac, gedit ~/.bashrc
[11:04] <jaffarkelshac> compwiz18, i know where it is, but where in the file do i add the directory
[11:04] <compwiz18> anywhere
[11:04] <compwiz18> it's just a normal script
[11:05] <kahrytan> 101 bugs in Hardy.
[11:05] <dns53> i am running hardy on my eeepc, i did need to edit my xorg.conf and add the 800x480 resolution
[11:05] <jaffarkelshac> do i but the whole "export PATH=$PATH:directory"?
[11:06] <compwiz18> jaffarkelshac: yep
[11:06] <Amaranth> kahrytan: those are bugs specifically targeting hardy
[11:06] <jaffarkelshac> thanks
[11:06] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  and thats my list im looking for
[11:07] <Amaranth> kahrytan: that only happens when a bug needs a separate fix for more than one release or someone thinking setting it to hardy means it is important and someone will fix it
[11:07] <Amaranth> they're usually wrong and just shoving more noise in
[11:07] <compwiz18> does the new Xorg detect mice with lots of buttons right?
[11:07] <Amaranth> it detects my 7 button mouse
[11:07] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  do you know if they will include cx18 ivtv in hardy?
[11:08] <Amaranth> i don't even know what that is so....
[11:08] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  Beta driver for new Wintv cards.
[11:09] <Amaranth> i'm guessing no
[11:09] <Infecto> strange
[11:09] <Infecto> some one have any idea?
[11:09] <Infecto> https://www.kb24.pl/LoginServlet
[11:10] <Infecto> i cant log in to this site i install j2re bin and mozill plugin
[11:10] <Infecto> and :( nothing
[11:11] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  then no native support for my wintv.
[11:11] <kahrytan> by native, i meant out of the box
[11:12] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[11:12] <kennethr> how long until firefox3.0b5 is in hardy?
[11:13] <kennethr> will there be a second beta of hardy?
[11:13] <kennethr> ok, so no second beta on the HardyReleaseSchedule
[11:13] <dns53> it is in hardy
[11:14] <kennethr> what about firefox3.0b5?
[11:15] <sami_> Hi! i have some strange lockups with my hardy heron, any ideas? i've tested my RAM and filesystems and it´s fully updated. when it lockups, only mouse will work and i have to use alt+sysrq+k command to get login again..
[11:15] <Skiessi> !info firefox
[11:15] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:15] <Skiessi> o_O?
[11:15] <dns53> it has 3b4
[11:15] <Skiessi> ubotu is sick
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is sick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <kennethr> dns53: right, when does 3b5 come in?
[11:16] <kahrytan> !info mozilla-firefox
[11:16] <ubotu> Package mozilla-firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:16] <dns53> when they release it?
[11:16] <dns53> !info firefox3
[11:16] <kennethr> yesterday
[11:16] <ubotu> Package firefox3 does not exist in hardy
[11:16] <Amaranth>    firefox | 3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main Packages
[11:17] <kennethr> !firefox-3.0
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefox-3.0 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0
[11:17] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0 does not exist in hardy
[11:17] <Skiessi> like I said
[11:17] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[11:17] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <kennethr> !info firefox-3.0~b4
[11:18] <ubotu> Package firefox-3.0b4 does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <Lynoure> hmm
[11:18] <Skiessi> it's got dementia
[11:18] <kennethr> !info firefox
[11:18] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in hardy
[11:18] <kennethr> ok
[11:18] <kahrytan> Okay stop.
[11:18] <Amaranth> Stop that.
[11:18] <kennethr> anyways, how long until the next beta is integrated?
[11:19] <Amaranth> kennethr: June
[11:19] <kennethr> Amaranth: where is that documented?
[11:19] <bazhang> kennethr: why the rush
[11:19] <Amaranth> kennethr: In the "You're impatient" file
[11:19] <kahrytan> 21days
[11:20] <Amaranth> We have until the 10th
[11:20] <kennethr> Amaranth: funny
[11:20] <Amaranth> So have some patience, it'll probably show up tomorrow or Monday anyway
[11:21] <kennethr> Just curious, if mozilla only has 3.0b5 out by the 10th, does ubuntu's process allow the final 3.0 to land after hardy release?
[11:21] <Skiessi> sure
[11:21] <kennethr> bazhang: no rush...just interested in the process
[11:21] <Skiessi> gutsy has <IP_ADDRESS>, I think
[11:21] <kennethr> ???
[11:21] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  3 will be backported right?
[11:22] <kennethr> Skiessi: <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:22] <Amaranth> kahrytan: Almost certainly
[11:22] <Amaranth> kahrytan: If not it means there is no point to doing so
[11:23] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  thats one thing I understand about repos. Main one doesnt get changed after release'
[11:23] <Skiessi> o.o
[11:23] <Lamego> it is not only main, only repositories follow the SRU policy
[11:23] <kennethr> kahrytan: Amaranth: that's why I ask
[11:24] <kahrytan> We get Security fixes. but version upgrades arent in.
[11:25] <Skiessi> :o well anyway, it's the latest version
[11:25] <Skiessi> and it was released after gutsy
[11:25] <kahrytan> Amaranth->  i plan to try to do something for /next/ release
[11:25] <Skiessi> or am I wrong again?
[11:25] <kennethr> Skiessi: yes, but it wasn't a major release....just an update
[11:25] <savvas> Err http://packages.medibuntu.org hardy Release.gpg                                                                Could not resolve 'packages.medibuntu.org'
[11:25] <savvas> heh
[11:26] <Skiessi> beta4->beta5 is a major one?
[11:26] <savvas> and then they tell me QoS isn't necessary :p
[11:26] <kahrytan> kennethr->  do you turn on backport repo in releases?
[11:27] <kennethr> kahrytan: I haven't...I'm actually new-ish to ubuntu
[11:27] <kahrytan> kennethr->  well, you should.
[11:27] <kennethr> kahrytan: what do I gain?
[11:27] <Infecto> dpkg -L j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[11:27] <Infecto> why i dont have any .so file?
[11:27] <kahrytan> kennethr->  ever so slightly upgrades to software
[11:29] <kennethr> Alright, well...thanks all for sharing information..I think I have a general understanding of how it'll go down.
[11:30] <kennethr> kahrytan: Skiessi: Lamego: Amaranth: bazhang: Thanks all!
[11:31] <Lynoure> savvas: Could be caused by a bad nameserver, too
[11:32] <savvas> I know but it works when i stop apt
[11:34] <tigerstein> good bye
[11:35] <savvas> hm..
[11:35] <savvas> sometimes when I do aptitude safe-upgrade or install it shows some weird empty spaces
[11:36] <savvas> then it doesn't ask me if I want to install it or not and it proceed
[11:39] <savvas> note to self: never remove linux-libc-dev :P
[11:40] <num> the auto update manager just said that it can not do all the updates, just partial, is this because of the new kernel package?
[11:41] <savvas> and some openoffice stuff
[11:41] <num> so it is normal?
[11:41] <num> is apt-get dist-upgrade the solution?
[11:42] <savvas> I use aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[11:42] <savvas> It will update everything when all the dependencies are built for it
[11:43] <hrothmund> I've seen a similar problem with dependencies - check this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4638975
[11:43] <TuoDrable> hello there
[11:44] <TuoDrable> xodeus: I did what you suggested, added the line options...blabla...model=hp
[11:44] <TuoDrable> it had no effect
[11:45] <TuoDrable> but not everything is so-called broken, nono
[11:45] <TuoDrable> de speakers of my laptop are working
[11:46] <TuoDrable> it's the headphone, microphone, sound buttons,... that do not work
[11:49] <TuoDrable> waidaminit
[11:49] <TuoDrable> it did work :)
[11:49] <TuoDrable> silly me
[11:49] <TuoDrable> thanks alot!
[11:53] <num> i just see that the locals are fallen back to standard C after doing an upgrade
[11:55] <DragonLarma> hello everybody
[11:57] <JDahl> after the latest upgrade my bluetooth mouse stopped working, so I deleted it from Bluetooth Manager and wanted to re-add it,  but I dont know how...  any hints?
[12:00] <dns53> accessories > bluetooth?
[12:04] <JDahl> The bluetooth mouse appears under "browse devices",  but I can't figure out how to make it "bonded"
[12:13] <coz_> hey guys
[12:14] <coz_> any news as to when or if the wacom tablet driver will be ready for hardy?
[12:15] <wilbert> is there a problem with the latest packages for ubuntu hardy?
[12:16] <coz_> wilbert, I just updated a few minutes ago and everything seems to be working although if nvidia you will have to reinstall the driver  not sure about ati
[12:16] <wilbert> i will try it now
[12:18] <wilbert> i can only partly upgrade and then it said can't calculate the demands for the upgrade (roughly translated from dutch)
[12:19] <wilbert> coz-, i can only partly upgrade and then it said can't calculate the demands for the upgrade (roughly translated from dutch)
[12:21] <ty> Hi, does anyone know what would cause browsing network share to be extremely slow?
[12:21] <coz_> wilbert, right  I did that several times and then just opened synaptic pacakge manager  and did it there  however I didnt trust the upgrades so i did the update manager thing a few times last night  and just finished thi smorning with synaptic
[12:21] <adinc> after upgrading the locales are set to C, and it doesn't boot with the new kernel
[12:22] <coz_> wilbert,  but apparenlty it is ok   however if you want to just do it in spurts that should be fine also  it s  what I did
[12:22] <ty> The thing is once i get to a file and start to download or stream it seems to be ok
[12:23] <wilbert> oke i will try that, thanks in advance -coz_
[12:23] <adinc> dpkg-reconfigure just regenerates en_us.utf-8, where can i set the locales?
[12:24] <dns53> adminstration > language support
[12:24] <coz_> wilbert, no problem   I just dont trust  updates on beta software that often so I did it in spurts to test each upgrade  and then, as I said , finished it this morening
[12:25] <dns53> coz_ it is worse when you have a 2gb / and need to get 600mb of updates
[12:25] <coz_> dns53, :)  I understand
[12:26] <t1> does anyone know why browsing a network would be really slow? but i can still stream files ok
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> A Windows network
[12:26] <IdleOne> !locales | adinc
[12:26] <ubotu> adinc: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> ?
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> t1: Windows network ?
[12:27] <t1> yes
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> Same reason its always slow
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> unless you have a domain controller
[12:27] <t1> When i browse windows to windows its fast though
[12:28] <t1> sorry no domain controller
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> You can set samba up as a domain controller quite easily (and wins server)
[12:28] <dns53> t1 is it a problem between windows and windows or linux and linux?
[12:29] <t1> dns53: linux and windows
[12:30] <t1> my shares are located on an xp machine and i have ubuntu on my lappy trying to access them
[12:31] <dns53> t1 well there could be something bad on the network level, perhaps the MTU is different between them
[12:31] <adinc> IdleOne: thank you, but there is't a package called localeconf
[12:31] <adinc> the this help isn't really of any help. did you have a look to this page?
[12:32] <Finnish> Is Avidemux working properly in Hardy?
[12:32] <t1> sorry for my ignorance, but how do i check that?
[12:32] <Finnish> I try to edit AVI-video, and it plays very sluggish
[12:32] <wilbert> smbfs?
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> dns53: 100% certain its to do with the way the master browser and all that stuff is chosen
[12:34] <dns53> h3sp4wn who knows, my guess was because once it has settled the tcp level negotiation works itself out and gets the right speed eventually
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> t1: If you try to connect to the ip of the box directly
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> Is it instant ?
[12:36] <torpedo|dog> Is anybody still having the problem that GDM just kind of hangs?  It started with a bundle of updates that included a kernel with no l-r-m.
[12:38] <t1> h3sp4wn: wow yws
[12:39] <t1> yes^
[12:39] <tomahasamoot> I've got a problem with kubuntu 8.10 alt amd64, I've installed the kubuntu-restricted-extras package, and I still can't listen to m4a files w/ Amarok
[12:39] <tomahasamoot> I think it worked in 7.10
[12:42] <adinc> how can i see the messages during boot time, bypassing the splashscreen?
[12:42] <Skiessi> where did you get kubuntu 8.10?
[12:43] <torpedo|dog> adinc
[12:43] <adinc> torpedo|dog: yes?
[12:44] <adinc> ohh no, an upgrade today destroyed my keyboard layout. locales are messed up
[12:44] <torpedo|dog> when you get to the boot screen, press e to edit the commands. Then, select the line that starts with "kernel", hit e again, go to the end, and add a nice little "no" to the front of splash
[12:45] <dns53> Skieesi http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta, check the links in the channel subject
[12:45] <Skiessi> adinc open terminal, type in "sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst" and remove the word from the entries
[12:45] <adinc> torpedo|dog: i see, so saying nosplash to the kernel parameters
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> yep
[12:45] <Skiessi> adinc, *the word splash
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> you might also just be able to remove "splash"
[12:45] <torpedo|dog> if you edit menu.lst, remove it from one of those commented areas up top, so that it stays gone when it regenerates
[12:46] <heydabop> When I try to boot into the recovery console, it hangs at "Loading Hardware Drivers".
[12:46] <heydabop> Should I just keep trying until it works?
[12:46] <adinc> but more worth is the locales mess, i had german keyboard on the shell, gone; on the gnome site german is still active
[12:46] <orvokki> Hey, does anyone know if there's any logs somewhere on which kernel modules are loaded on boot?
[12:46] <jimiridge> dmesg?
[12:46] <orvokki> Not accurate enough.
[12:47] <orvokki> I need full path.
[12:47] <adinc> orvokki: lsmod can also tell you the loaded modules
[12:47] <orvokki> I suspect I have two nvidia proprietary modules on my system and the wrong one is loaded on boot.
[12:47] <adinc> orvokki: then use which
[12:47] <dns53> look in /var/logs/kern.log
[12:48] <orvokki> Right, that might help. I'll check when I get home.
[12:48] <adinc> how do i set the locales for the console, which was ok before upgrading
[12:49] <orvokki> I don't know exactly *why* I have two of them but so far it seems the only explanation for this. The end result is that X doesn't start before I do rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia.
[12:49] <orvokki> That is, after each boot.
[12:50] <dns53> tried reinstalling it?
[12:50] <orvokki> Yes, no effect.
[12:51] <orvokki> Or did you mean the whole system? No. It's probably just a runaway kernel module, that would be a bit drastic.
[12:51] <Dr_willis> check the dmesg output befor/after each rmmod/modprobe command?   ive never heard of such an issue lately.
[12:52] <Dr_willis> i dont see how rmmod, then modprobe, would be loading different nvidia modules.
[12:52] <dns53> yeah it seems strange, what files do you have in the folder /etc/modultils/
[12:52] <heydabop> When I try to boot into the recovery console, it hangs when it loads hardware drivers. I'm running AMD64 if that matters.
[12:52] <orvokki> dns53: I can't check yet. The computer is at home.
[12:53] <orvokki> Dr_willis: The system is amd64, btw.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> all bets are off then.... :)
[12:53] <Dr_willis> heh  heh
[12:53] <dns53> also check /etc/moodules for the drivers loaded at boot
[12:53] <orvokki> Will do.
[12:53] <Dr_willis> also check what kernel versions you got loaded and whats gettting booted.
[12:54] <IdleOne> how do i check to see what driver is being used for graphics card?
[12:54] <orvokki> I only have one kernel version installed atm.
[12:54] <orvokki> 2.6.24-12-generic iirc.
[12:54] <kennethr> orvokki: what's the question?
[12:54] <kennethr> orvokki: I'm running em64t
[12:59] <heydabop> Is there a bug when booting into the AMD64 recovery console?
[12:59] <adinc> IdleOne: you may look into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:00] <Turski> is audio volume stepping by keyboard controls changeable?
[13:01] <IdleOne> adinc: yeah i was hoping the was a GUI app that list all driver info for the main hardware components being used
[13:02] <adinc> IdleOne: you can get most with lspci
[13:03] <h3sp4wn> t1: If its just 2 machines you could maybe use lmhosts
[13:03] <orvokki> kennethr: I seem to be having two nvidia proprietary drivers even though I know of only one installed and bootup load sequence loads the wrong one. But already got some tips on finding out what it's about.
[13:04] <kennethr> orvokki: ok, great
[13:09] <compwiz18> I'm correct in assuming I can just swap HDDs around, yes?
[13:09] <compwiz18> for instance, I can install Ubuntu using one computer
[13:09] <compwiz18> and then pop it in another, and it will work
[13:09] <compwiz18> right?
[13:10] <jimiridge> egh sometimes
[13:10] <dns53> it SHOULD work but you may have problems with video drivers and things like that
[13:10] <jimiridge> during install the installer adds entrys to blacklist
[13:10] <compwiz18> ok
[13:10] <compwiz18> good enough for me
[13:10] <jimiridge> based on your hardware
[13:10] <compwiz18> I'll give it a try
[13:11] <compwiz18> my theory is installing things in qemu using a USB-to-IDE adapter for laptop hard drives
[13:11] <compwiz18> said laptop doesn't have a working cdrw drive
[13:11] <dns53> i did that this weekend when my cd drive did not work, results will vary
[13:11] <compwiz18> so I can burn the cd drive
[13:11] <jimiridge> serious your gonna prolly have module issues
[13:11] <compwiz18> sorry
[13:11] <compwiz18> I can't use the cd drive
[13:11] <compwiz18> well
[13:11] <compwiz18> if I do
[13:11] <compwiz18> what did I lose?
[13:12] <IdleOne> time
[13:12] <compwiz18> yep
[13:12] <compwiz18> pretty much
[13:12] <IdleOne> wont hurt to try
[13:12] <compwiz18> nope
[13:12] <dns53> you could turn a usb drive into a live cd
[13:12] <compwiz18> yeah
[13:12] <compwiz18> except the computer can't boot from usb, I don't think
[13:12] <IdleOne> compwiz18: no need to remind you about static electricity and all that :)
[13:12] <compwiz18> IdleOne: nope :P
[13:13] <compwiz18> I already did the surgical part of the procedure
[13:13] <IdleOne> well then fire it up
[13:13] <compwiz18> yep
[13:13] <compwiz18> it is installing
[13:14] <compwiz18> hooked up /dev/sdc as the drive in qemu
[13:14] <compwiz18> picked it right up
[13:14] <compwiz18> virtualbox can't use real drives as the "virtual" drives, apparently
[13:15] <Dr_willis> No it cant. i think thas one of the free versions limitations
[13:15] <Dr_willis> or was it a usb device limit? i forget.
[13:15] <compwiz18> I dunno
[13:15] <compwiz18> it didn't like it though
[13:18] <compwiz18> are 5.25 inch hard drives that are IDE the same as 3.5 inch IDE drives,  except for the fact that they are bigger?
[13:18] <compwiz18> connection wise?
[13:19] <kennethr> compwiz18: where are you getting 5.25 inch hard drives?
[13:19] <Dr_willis> 5.25? Hmm... wherent those the mdf? type disks?
[13:19] <kennethr> compwiz18: IDE is IDE
[13:19] <compwiz18> kennethr: old computer
[13:19] <Dr_willis> actually i think i may have an old very WIDE ide drive...
[13:19] <compwiz18> I tried a USB to IDE converted and it didn't like the drive
[13:20] <Dr_willis> thats an ide. like a whole 100mb.
[13:20] <compwiz18> I have one thats a whole 8gb
[13:20] <Dr_willis> given the age of the disk.. YOu sure its good?
[13:20] <compwiz18> as far as I know
[13:20] <compwiz18> I had Xubuntu on it
[13:20] <IdleOne> apples are apples. except the red and green and yellow and taste and also the texture differs. besides that apples are apples :P
[13:20] <compwiz18> but the 300mhz processor couldn't handle it
[13:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i had xubuntu on a 100mhz pent1 :)
[13:21] <compwiz18> :)
[13:21] <compwiz18> this is a p2
[13:21] <dwidmann> IdleOne: don't forget about the obvious size differences
[13:21] <savvas> IdleOne: you could generalise that as: computers are computers :p
[13:22]  * IdleOne had Ubuntu ( gnome ) running on a 133mhz 192 mb ram with a 10 Gig HD it was slower then slime comming off a snails..... but ran
[13:22] <IdleOne> savvas: arent they!?
[13:22] <jimiridge> i have a 233mhz cpu running ubuntu server
[13:22] <compwiz18> This one has 300mhz w/ 96mb of ram
[13:22] <savvas> an it is an it :P
[13:23] <savvas> lol
[13:23] <compwiz18> running Ubuntu server with xfce-desktop
[13:23] <Dr_willis> thats 3x my old laptop
[13:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:23]  * dwidmann would probably break down and cry if he ever had to touch a computer that old/slow again
[13:23] <compwiz18> that's the oldest computer I have
[13:23] <compwiz18> I think
[13:23] <jimiridge> who would install an xserver on ubunutu server... especially a low speed cpu
[13:23] <savvas> I had a dmac
[13:23] <compwiz18> jimiridge: that's why I'm reinstalling xD
[13:24] <savvas> from '95, my brother took it and smashed it to pieces :\
[13:24] <jimiridge> you dont have to fricken reinstall for that
[13:24] <dwidmann> jimiridge: somebody with patience, lots and lots of patience.
[13:24] <jimiridge> thats retarded
[13:24] <compwiz18> jimiridge: I know - I'm gonna put slitaz on it
[13:24] <Dr_willis> I just used mine as a 'ssh terminal' :)
[13:24] <IdleOne> dwidmann: I made due with what I had till I could upgrade hardware. when I did the hardware was to new and not supported lol
[13:24] <compwiz18> I plugged mine into a tv and used it with htop to monitor the cpu
[13:25] <jimiridge> oh NO i deleted my  /etc/ssh/sshd_config  oh well time to reinstall
[13:25] <dwidmann> IdleOne: ouch
[13:25] <Dr_willis> compwiz18,  done that befor with serial terminals
[13:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:25] <compwiz18> ah, htop + ssh, rather
[13:25] <dwidmann> IdleOne: the stuff I've got in my box is rather new with the exception of the vga and it runs without issues ... guess I was choosier/luckier
[13:26] <Ava-> anyone else have flaky issues with compiz in hardy?
[13:26] <IdleOne> dwidmann: tell me about it was without ubuntu for about a month. and forced to use.... well you know it still hurts to talk about it :(
[13:26] <dwidmann> Now I get to wait til Monday or Tuesday for my fans to get here ...
[13:27] <Ava-> when my windows snap to top they freak out and the upper right corner twitches like a crack addict
[13:27] <dwidmann> IdleOne: forced to use an ancient computer ... :(
[13:28] <IdleOne> dwidmann: no I used a brand new fast as a greased pig struck by lightning computer with...oh man!!! windows Vista :(
[13:28] <dwidmann> Now I get to wait til Monday or Tuesday for my new fans/heatsinks to get here :\
[13:28] <Ava-> vista isn't as horrible as a lot of people say it is :)
[13:29] <compwiz18> so I've found also, Ava-
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Ava-,  and in many ways its MUCH worse...
[13:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:29] <IdleOne> no it really isnt but I just prefer Ubuntu
[13:29] <Ava-> hah!
[13:29] <dwidmann> IdleOne: guess I get the best of both worlds right now --- brand new fast as a greased pig struck by lightning computer with Kubuntu :)
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Lets just say ive removed vista from more machines then i have installed it to...
[13:29] <Ava-> of course
[13:29] <Ava-> personal preference :)
[13:30] <compwiz18> I keep XP and Arch and Ubuntu and Zenwalk
[13:30] <Ava-> i've installed windows on more machines than I've ever isntalled os-x too
[13:30] <Ava-> :)
[13:30] <IdleOne> dwidmann: dont like KDE. I gnome therefore I am
[13:30] <compwiz18> just for kicks :)
[13:30] <compwiz18> qemu is pretty slow, but I'm not gonna complain cause it works :)
[13:31] <dwidmann> IdleOne: I umm, what you said in reverse
[13:31] <jimiridge> need kqemu
[13:31] <compwiz18> jimiridge: what does that do?
[13:31] <compwiz18> I saw a note about that in the postinst of the Arch package
[13:31] <IdleOne> dwidmann: that is what is so AWSOME about linux . we can use the same OS and they are completly different
[13:31] <jimiridge> its qemu's kernel module (accellerator)
[13:31] <compwiz18> jimiridge: ah
[13:31]  * compwiz18 goes to find kqemu
[13:31] <jimiridge> you can ussually install it through module-assistant
[13:31] <jimiridge> some compwiz you are
[13:32] <compwiz18> ;)
[13:32] <jimiridge> here i'll just name myself glassblower even though i cant blow glass
[13:32] <IdleOne> jimiridge: the 18 is not his age but amount of minutes of experience :)
[13:32] <dwidmann> IdleOne: hehehe, yeah, this is true.
[13:32] <jimiridge> ah
[13:32] <IdleOne> hahaha
[13:32] <Ava-> how many seconds he takes in bed
[13:32] <Ava-> :)
[13:33] <compwiz18> it isn't my age either ;)
[13:33] <Maledictus> Is there a repository for following ubuntu "edge|current|head|unstable"?
[13:33] <IdleOne> compwiz18: that is what I said
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus: no
[13:33] <IdleOne> Ava-: no need to compliment him lmao
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus: but there is for current releases and hardy
[13:33] <Ava-> lol
[13:33] <Maledictus> ok
[13:33] <rsk> Maledictus, dont think debian
[13:33] <Maledictus> thinking freebsd :)
[13:33] <rsk> alright
[13:34]  * dwidmann is half tempted to try freebsd and see if he likes it
[13:34] <Ava-> it's real unix
[13:34] <Maledictus> sad, I'd love to try following a ubuntu current
[13:34] <Ava-> of course you'll like it
[13:34] <Ava-> I'm a cli guy though
[13:34] <jimiridge> ugh real unix :P
[13:34] <Ava-> :P
[13:34] <rsk> Maledictus: then get the hardy beta
[13:34] <jimiridge> if i hear people say that agian im gonna vomit
[13:34] <Ava-> real unix!
[13:34] <IdleOne> Maledictus: you can try current beta release
[13:34] <jimiridge> they all follow the unix specification
[13:34] <rsk> Maledictus: althou then hardu is released
[13:35] <rsk> Maledictus: you will be using stable, and have to change repositories again
[13:35] <rsk> hardy*
[13:35] <Maledictus> rsk: will do that, but thought of a repo which automatically gets the new stuff after the release
[13:35] <rsk> Maledictus: there's no such thing
[13:35] <dwidmann> Ava-: sometimes I don't know why I go out of my way to start up X when I'm just going to pull up a terminal emulator to do all of my real work anyway
[13:35] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  for the purty wallpaper
[13:35] <Maledictus> so all devs switch to the new name of the next release after hardy release?
[13:35] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: that must be it
[13:35] <rsk> yes
[13:36] <Maledictus> is there already such a repo for hardy+1?
[13:36] <rsk> no
[13:36] <IdleOne> Maledictus: not yet
[13:36] <rsk> Maledictus: as i said
[13:36] <IdleOne> let them finish hardy first
[13:36] <rsk> Maledictus: _after_ hardy is released
[13:36] <Maledictus> a, and days after that I think?
[13:36] <IdleOne> coule days yeah
[13:36] <rsk> sure
[13:36] <IdleOne> couple
[13:36] <jimiridge> unix is trademarked so mac/bsd really isnt unix
[13:36] <Maledictus> ok, thank you guys :)
[13:37] <jimiridge> but unix-like
[13:37] <Maledictus> jimiridge: mac is, they did the certification
[13:37] <Dr_willis> I recall a computer mag - calling it OS-XLinux
[13:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:37]  * dwidmann wonders how big the iso is
[13:38] <Maledictus> apple can officially use the trademark UNIX for OS X
[13:38] <jimiridge> that just means it follows the "single unix speciffication"
[13:38] <Maledictus> little bit more I think
[13:38] <jimiridge> its not Unix
[13:39] <Maledictus> but the real problem is all the money one has to spend to get certified. that's not a good investmenr for an opensource project I think
[13:39] <dwidmann> Wow, several isos, hmm, guess I can hold off on it for now
[13:40] <Maledictus> dwidmann: you normally only need the first cd
[13:40] <Maledictus> at least I do
[13:41] <jimiridge> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
[13:42] <dwidmann> Maledictus: What's on the second and third CDs though ... and I'm assuming the additional documentation cd would probably be useful ....
[13:43] <Maledictus> docs and additional packages. I only install every few years, so I always do a minimal install and add the rest from packages/ports
[13:44] <Maledictus> over the net
[13:55] <teprrr> hmm, has there been some changes to X lately? which may cause some permission problems?
[13:55] <Shuttle_> repost from #ubuntu:
[13:55] <Shuttle_> has anyone else encountered issues with the live-cd (7.10 AND 8.04) where it boots right after it should fire up x/gdm? when I watch the progress I can see it starting gdm -> blank screen -> reboot. The CD is intact. I also tried usb-boot to no avail. The disc works fine on another machine. hardware is intel with nvidia 7800 gs(?)
[13:55] <Neurostu> Does anybody know what version of gtkglext ships with Hardy?
[13:57] <Neurostu> Anybody know how I can figure out what version of gtkglext and gtkglext-mm ship by default with hardy?
[13:58] <compwiz18> Neurostu: is it here somewhere: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[13:58] <Neurostu> ty
[13:58] <compwiz18> np :)
[13:59] <DistroJockey> Neurostu:  1.2.0  I believe
[13:59] <Neurostu> thanks
[14:00] <Neurostu> do you know when gtkglext 1.3 will be supported?
[14:03] <rsk> Neurostu: probably next release
[14:04] <chell> hey
[14:04] <rsk> hey
[14:04] <chell> has anyone had any printing issues on Hardy?
[14:04] <chell> related to margins
[14:04] <chell> on A4
[14:05] <chell> I have an Epson DX4250 attached to a Mac mini (which uses cups)
[14:05] <chell> and when I try to print from the Hardy machine
[14:05] <chell> it screws the margins up
[14:05] <chell> when I print from another OS X machine it works fine
[14:06] <chell> I can also get it to work fine from the hardy machine if I use a special setting in scribus (Set Media Size)
[14:08] <Shuttle_> there's of course the option to fiddle around on the command line, but I'd rather choose the easy way :)
[14:11] <jimiridge> /bin/bash is the easy way Shuttle
[14:12] <Shuttle_> I'd like to test e.g. the soundcard :)
[14:13] <IdleOne> trying to remove a package "poker-web" but getting errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62021/
[14:16] <prana> anyone notice network-manager showing a wired avahi connection while using wireless after last night's updates?
[14:16] <DanaG> That was odd.... I resumed from suspend, and got a blank black screen.
[14:17] <osteenbergen> IdleOne try to install the package again and remove it after installation
[14:17] <DanaG> I then switched to VT 1 and back to VT 7, and Xorg revived..... and I got the login sound!  Strange.
[14:17] <rsk> DanaG: that's the same behaviour i get at bootup
[14:18] <rsk> and login to gnome
[14:18] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: problem is when installing the package it is asking for the password of the database admin ( local )
[14:18] <rsk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4563642
[14:18] <DanaG> It was probably the PulseAudio hotplug effect.
[14:18] <DanaG> But I used to not have the black-screen issues.
[14:18] <rsk> same here
[14:18] <prana> also, when resuming suspend g-p-m has a popup that says "Action forbidden: policy timeout is not valid ..."; what policy is it referring to?
[14:19] <osteenbergen> IdleOne: it looks like form your og that he tries to install something into a local MySQL setup.. so if you installed mysql it has a basic admin password.. which makes the file which is missing when you want to remove it
[14:21] <compwiz18> wow, qemu is really slow without that module :P
[14:22] <adinc> i'm getting Unable to locate image file in pixmap_pathÖ "panel.png" since i did an upgrade today, anytime i start a gui app, this error occurse, what can i do against it. where to get panel.png?
[14:23] <IdleOne> so it is not enough that I use sudo to remove this package it then wants another password that I dont know because I let it create a random password when I installed the package. so now I cant remove the package causing a cascade effect making synaptic puke out chunks. GREAT!
[14:23] <mvo> IdleOne: what package is that?
[14:23] <IdleOne> poker-web
[14:24] <KiFka> hello
[14:24] <IdleOne> hello
[14:25] <compwiz18> Hello!
[14:25] <KiFka> i have smth to show
[14:25] <osteenbergen> IdleOne did you see my pm?
[14:25] <KiFka> http://img.wklej.org/v.php?id=78791Screenshot.png
[14:25] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: trying now
[14:25] <KiFka> why there are so many bash and login processes
[14:26] <osteenbergen> Kifka you have 8 users logged in
[14:26] <KiFka> no
[14:26] <rsk> KiFka: one terminal = 1 user
[14:26] <KiFka> im on livecd
[14:26] <mvo> IdleOne: is there a bug open on this it sounds like there should :)
[14:26] <KiFka> only one terminal open
[14:26] <rsk> maybe it counts the virtual terminals also
[14:27] <osteenbergen> well 'top' displays 8 users in the top
[14:27] <IdleOne> mvo: it has something to do with mysql and crap and all I wanted to do was play some poker instead I had to install 17 packages of stuff I know I did not want like apache2 and such
[14:27] <osteenbergen> top displays 3 user here.. 1 root.. myself and my console
[14:28] <IdleOne> osteenbergen: same issue with that command you gave me
[14:28] <osteenbergen> so you have 5 other user programs running something
[14:28] <ali1234> KiFka: 'ps waxf' might be more enlightening
[14:28] <KiFka> wow
[14:28] <KiFka> shall i paste it somewhere?
[14:29] <Shuttle_> either it's gdm or atd that get's it flipping. Disconnecting the 2nd monitor didn't help either.
[14:29] <rsk> why?
[14:29] <osteenbergen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[14:29] <ali1234> KiFka: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[14:29] <osteenbergen> wierd that there is no paste.ubuntu.org.. only on the dutch site
[14:30] <KiFka> ok
[14:30] <KiFka> there it is http://wklej.org/id/4dd728c562
[14:30] <KiFka> i use a polish one :)
[14:30] <ali1234> virtual terminals
[14:30] <jaffarkelshac> when you install programs from source, and the make install finishes how do you run it, coz it does not appear in any menu
[14:30] <ali1234> hit ctrl-alt-f1 through f6
[14:31] <KiFka> yes
[14:31] <IdleOne> hmm think i got it. not sure what I did but it removed --purge'd
[14:31] <KiFka> you are automaticly logged as root there
[14:31] <ali1234> KiFka: that's where all the extra bash and login processes are coming from
[14:31] <KiFka> oh
[14:31] <IdleOne> wooohoooo kernel upgrade and oo.org also here we go .........................
[14:31] <KiFka> so its normall=
[14:32] <KiFka> ?
[14:32] <osteenbergen> yup
[14:32] <KiFka> ok :)
[14:32] <KiFka> i just was wondering
[14:32] <osteenbergen> but it is smart to change root passwords if the automatically sign in ;)
[14:33] <IdleOne> omg we got a grub update kernel update at the same time
[14:34] <osteenbergen> ?
[14:34] <IdleOne> this is going to be fun
[14:34] <osteenbergen> owh update to 26-14
[14:34] <IdleOne> 'yeah'
[14:35] <bhsx> howdy.... the newest update made my desktop switcher disappear....  how can i get it back?
[14:35] <cvw> So, I'm curious.  I just happened to notice that something was downloaded upgrades in the background *without* affecting package management state.  How did you guys manage to pull that off?
[14:35] <IdleOne> right click on panel and add it again
[14:35] <osteenbergen> add to panel maybe bhsx?
[14:35] <bhsx> it's not there in the choices
[14:36] <osteenbergen> Does anyone have a faulty display of battery information and status with the latest kernel?
[14:36] <osteenbergen> it should be fixed but mine still reports strange values :O
[14:36] <IdleOne> well here goes nothing . hope to be back in a minute
[14:37] <compwiz18> cvw: just a guess, but downloading the packages shouldn't affect the package state as long as you aren't installing them (I realize this isn't how apt works by default, but it could be done I imagine)
[14:37] <compwiz18> so probably the packages are downloaded to the cache, then installed later with user confirmation
[14:37] <compwiz18> I'd guess
[14:37] <cvw> compwiz18: true, but when aptitude, apt-get, or whatever starts to download the files itself, this "other" thing should know to stop too.
[14:38] <bhsx> bah, i swear it used to be called 'desktop-switcher' or somesuch....  it's there... now it's "workspace switcher"... my bad
[14:38] <compwiz18> cvw: true, does it stop?
[14:38] <cvw> compwiz18: no way to tell.
[14:38] <IdleOne> well that was not so bad after all
[14:39] <osteenbergen> if you download with the download only option it doesn't change anything
[14:39] <cvw> compwiz18: I could see aptitude downloading, then I stopped it.  Waited a few minutes, and tried again, and the downloads required was much less, so it definately keeps trying.
[14:39] <osteenbergen> Ahh your back online :P
[14:39] <cvw> osteenbergen: right, but if you use a aptitude it sets a lock file to prevent other package managers from running, correct?
[14:39] <osteenbergen> yup
[14:39] <cvw> That's the default behavior I've seen over the years with Debian.
[14:39] <osteenbergen> and removes the lock if program closes
[14:40] <IdleOne> cvw: synaptic and apt-get do the same
[14:40] <cvw> osteenbergen: aptitude wasn't locked, yet something was downloading the upgrades
[14:40] <osteenbergen> maybe automatic updates ;)
[14:40] <cvw> I'm just curious how it's done.  I think it's great.
[14:41] <osteenbergen> In Software Sources there is an option to download it or install it automaticly
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: yup
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: but what does *that* use to download?  How does it know, without using a package manager, what to download?
[14:41] <cvw> osteenbergen: and without setting a lock file?
[14:41] <ali1234> something weird going on with my test machine. it's fine for about 10 seconds then frozen for about 10 seconds, in a loop. any idea where to even start with trying to find out why?
[14:42] <ali1234> cvw: i would expect it uses the package manager to find out what to download, then closes it down and uses wget to do the actual download.
[14:42] <osteenbergen> dont know i think apt-get
[14:42] <osteenbergen> will check it ^^
[14:43] <cvw> Perhaps this is long existant behavior I just didnt know about and I'm asking the wrong question :/
[14:44] <ali1234> hmm i think it's a problem with synergy, since pressing a key on the local keyboard immediately unfreezes the remote keyboard
[14:46] <savvas> finally, the complete openoffice available :P
[14:47] <cvw> hrm, what's up with this:
[14:47] <cvw> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-source-2.6.24_2.6.24-14.25_all.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24.tar.bz2')
[14:47] <osteenbergen> just do an update and upgrade again..
[14:48] <cvw> osteenbergen: tried that already
[14:48] <osteenbergen> with a clean?
[14:48] <cvw> now you didn't say that
[14:48] <osteenbergen> sry :P
[14:48] <osteenbergen> maybe just a download error
[14:49] <cvw> Not cleaning, but I did removed the cached file from the archives
[14:49] <cvw> I prefer autoclean
[14:51] <cyclonut> anyone done the latest round of updates?
[14:51] <cyclonut> and if so, am I in for some serious breakage?
[14:51] <wilbert> sudo apt-get update en sudo apt-get upgrade worked for me
[14:52] <cyclonut> I'll say that the upgrade did NOT work for me
[14:52] <cyclonut> but only due to wireless issues
[14:53] <osteenbergen> update worked fine here what problems did you have?
[14:53] <cyclonut> wireless died a solid death
[14:53] <Gilou> 2.6.24 panics on my laptop
[14:53] <Gilou> :p
[14:54] <cvw> cyclonut: that's better than dying a broken death
[14:54] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting cannot calculate update
[14:54] <cyclonut> I ddint realize that I needed to rmmod b43,b44,ssb,ndiswrapper than modprobe ndiswrapper,b44 to get things working
[14:54] <cvw> cyclonut: you could have rebooted too
[14:55] <cyclonut> cvw: you think I didnt try that?
[14:55] <cyclonut> cvw: come on, now!
[14:55] <cvw> heh
[14:56] <osteenbergen> I just blacklisted my normal wlan drivers and use ndiswrapper :) thats the only one working without regression with every kernel :P
[14:56] <cyclonut> cvw: it is not a matter of rebooting. ssb conflicts with ndiswrapper, and is force-loaded regardless of blacklisting. The only solution is for ndiswrapper to be loaded first, hence the rmmod/modprobe sequence.
[14:56] <cyclonut> that sequence needs to be run @ every boot for me. Everything is blacklisted, too. I've decided the blacklist is pretty darned selective
[14:56] <osteenbergen> if you do sudo rm -f /path/ssd.ko it will not load again ;)
[14:57] <cyclonut> osteenbergen: :-P
[14:57] <cyclonut> osteenbergen: careful, there might be newbies about ;)
[14:57] <osteenbergen> they get an error with unknown path /path ;)
[14:58] <osteenbergen> rm: cannot remove `/path/ssd.ko': No such file or directory
[14:58] <osteenbergen> :O
[14:59] <cyclonut> hah
[15:00] <Gilou> anyone knows how good the "trackerd" is?
[15:01] <Gilou> it's kinda hogging my system to index the files
[15:01]  * Gilou loves locate & updatedb :p
[15:01] <cyclonut> Gilou: its decent, but I got rid of it
[15:01] <osteenbergen> Me 2.. the hogging is horible the first few days ;)
[15:01] <Gilou> I think I will too, though you can pause it "at will", it looks like it's gonna hog a lot :p
[15:02] <Gilou> especially with my small hard drive often plugged to a 100 Mbps line, and file changing a lot :p
[15:02]  * Gilou lets it do its indexing
[15:02] <osteenbergen> trackerd love SVN btw ;)
[15:02] <Gilou> system seems stable on 2.6.20 ..
[15:02] <Gilou> I can't boot 2.6.24 yet, and I can't get a proper output to report
[15:02] <Gilou> 2.6.22 has hiccups with HAL too..
[15:03] <Gilou> osteenbergen> lol it does index svn rep ?
[15:03] <osteenbergen> if its in your home dir it does ;)
[15:03] <Gilou> sounds like a stupid move if it doesn't handle that
[15:03] <Gilou> yeah I have some...
[15:03] <Gilou> pfft
[15:03] <osteenbergen> don't know if they fixed it but it sure was annoying
[15:04] <Gilou> yeah, svn up hop and the thing fires up
[15:04] <Gilou> I think I'm gonna trash it lol :)
[15:04] <Gilou> plus I'm pretty sure it won't be acpi aware
[15:04] <Gilou> though acpi seems broken too here ..
[15:05] <Gilou> I like the way fsck systematically wants to check my 80 GB partition when I'm running on battery...
[15:05] <osteenbergen> i hate acpi for beta kernels.. its only fixed just before the final release
[15:05] <Gilou> yeah I have a HAL bug too
[15:05] <osteenbergen> owh in the 24 kernel it skippes the filecheck on battery
[15:06] <Gilou> but upgrading to HAL 0.5.11 was imho a really bad move from ubuntu maintainers
[15:06] <Gilou> it's bugged as hell
[15:06] <osteenbergen> but the message is "Skipping filecheck, on battery power" and it doesn't fit in the screen of the loader.. :P
[15:06] <J-_> Is anyone having any problems updating?
[15:06] <osteenbergen> if they ha used SKIP it would worked :P
[15:06] <Pici> J-_: not currently.
[15:06] <osteenbergen> No no problems here..
[15:06] <J-_> hmm
[15:07]  * J-_ ponders
[15:07] <osteenbergen> only some bugs that exist still exist :)
[15:07] <osteenbergen> so mostly you will go forward :D
[15:07] <prana> 2.6.24 boots okay for me, and actually suspends properly, on my X40.
[15:07] <osteenbergen> which display driver prana?
[15:07] <Gilou> lol
[15:07] <cyclonut> eeek
[15:07] <Gilou> osteenbergen> I'll check that once 2.6.24 boot properly :)
[15:07] <cyclonut> about to go down for reboot after installing kernel update
[15:08] <osteenbergen> good luck
[15:08] <J-_> weird! The updater was complaining, open up synatic, and the updates are downloading =P
[15:10] <Tu13es> hm, finally got my wired network working in hardy, wifi shows up but won't connect in wicd
[15:10] <Tu13es> any thoughts where to start?
[15:10] <Tu13es> it's in ifconfig
[15:10] <Pici> Why not use n-m?
[15:10] <osteenbergen> hmm wicd haven't tried that for few months
[15:10] <Tu13es> I'm using xfce
[15:11] <osteenbergen> wicd has the option to cancel ;) that alone owns n-m btw :D
[15:12] <Tu13es> it's been pretty good for me in using it the last few weeks
[15:12] <sivel_> is it possible to disable cpu frquency scaling to allow full 100% usage when folding?
[15:12] <osteenbergen> only vpn via wicd is not an option right?
[15:12] <Tu13es> *shrug* I haven't tried VPN yet
[15:12] <compwiz18> osteenbergen: vpn via wicd is being worked on right now :)
[15:12] <osteenbergen> sivel_ i got instructions for that.. wait a moment
[15:13] <Belisarivs> hi all
[15:13] <sivel_> thank you
[15:13] <sivel_> ive tried quite a few thing
[15:13] <Belisarivs> do you also have problems with konqueror-kde4 with webkit?
[15:13] <osteenbergen> sivel_ try: http://wiki.steenbe.nl/?p=26
[15:13] <Belisarivs> It does SIGSEGV to me.
[15:14] <sivel_> thank you, one more q related to this, im at work, and can i issue a command to see what freq the cpu is at ?
[15:14] <sivel_> via ssh?
[15:15] <osteenbergen> uhm yeah you can.. i will  have a look..
[15:15] <savvas> cpufreq-info ?
[15:15] <cyclonut> yay
[15:15] <cyclonut> no breakage, and it boots quicker, too!
[15:16] <savvas> sivel_: sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils and then: cpufreq-info
[15:16] <sivel_> hmm:
[15:16] <sivel_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/cpufrequtils/cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[15:17] <osteenbergen> change the sources server to main server for example and try again
[15:18] <wilbert> good 1 osteenbergen
[15:19] <sivel_> cant seem to find/edit that file in /etc
[15:19] <robilive> hello
[15:20] <savvas> sivel_: wget http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/c/cpufrequtils/cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb; sudo dpkg -i cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:20] <osteenbergen> sivel_: To see your current CPU Freq:
[15:20] <osteenbergen> sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[15:21] <sivel_> dpkg-deb: `cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[15:21] <sivel_> dpkg: error processing cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb (--install):
[15:21] <sivel_>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[15:21] <sivel_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:21] <sivel_>  cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:21] <savvas> weird
[15:21] <wilbert> worked here
[15:21] <osteenbergen> and then you will get a number with the current Hz the cpu is running at
[15:22] <savvas> sivel_: you might have something broken there: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:22] <savvas> sivel_: osteenbergen 's way is much easier :P
[15:22] <sivel_> the prob is it gives errors
[15:23] <sivel_> dpkg-deb: `cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[15:23] <sivel_> dpkg: error processing cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb (--install):
[15:23] <sivel_>  subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[15:23] <sivel_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:23] <sivel_>  cpufrequtils_002-5_i386.deb
[15:23] <osteenbergen> sivel_ for what purpose are you installing it?
[15:24] <savvas> I told him to use cpufreq-info
[15:24] <wilbert> to know the frequency of his proc i assume
[15:24] <osteenbergen> sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq is much easier ;) no package needed for that :D
[15:24] <sivel_> im currently "folding" proteins, and i have the cpu-scaling app on the desktop at home, but i noticed that i cant seem to change the usage to 100% instead of 50% amd64 3000
[15:25] <sivel_> no such file or directory
[15:25] <osteenbergen> owh maybe you dont have multiple procs..
[15:25] <robilive> I would to "colorize" the bootup in Hardy, I've searched in the wiki but I've look only discussion and howto for breezy and dapper... There is a way to do this in Hardy? Any idea? :D
[15:25] <sivel_> how would i fix that?
[15:25] <osteenbergen> just delete from cpu0 and check what the contents of the cpu folder is
[15:27] <rawb> will it be easier to upgrade to 8.04 LTS from 7.10 or 6.06 LTS (server edition)? i figure 7.10 might be a little better since it already has python 2.5.1 whereas 6.06 has 2.4, so apps that rely on it won't break probably, etc. or will it not matter?
[15:27] <robilive> (PS sorry for my bad english)
[15:28] <Lamego> rawb, both are supported, the better would be a fresh install :P
[15:28] <osteenbergen> rawb: check chat topic aka: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades
[15:28] <Lamego> the python version should not matter, the related packages will be upgraded also
[15:29] <osteenbergen> robilive what do you want to colorize?
[15:29] <osteenbergen> the GRUB or the splash?
[15:29] <osteenbergen> or even the GDM
[15:29] <robilive> osteenbergen, the bootup... the "OK" and "Fail" message and if is possible many more
[15:30] <robilive> (is many more???) :D
[15:30] <osteenbergen> aha well those texted are fixed.. but you can have usplash display them in a nicer way
[15:30] <wilbert> for these few seconds
[15:31] <wilbert> why
[15:31] <robilive> I've "nosplash" option :D
[15:31] <osteenbergen> then you are *bliep*
[15:31] <wilbert> lol
[15:32] <robilive> I don't haave idea what "bliep" mean.. Is good or not? :P
[15:32] <osteenbergen> no not so good ;)
[15:32] <robilive> gh :)
[15:33] <osteenbergen> you can show the messages in usplash but you cant add color to them... sry :)
[15:34] <robilive> but I don't have the usplash :)
[15:35] <robilive> sorry, reboot
[15:38] <Jaymac> hardy has killed my mute Fn button
[15:38] <jbroome> any 'gotchas' i should know about before i kick off an apt-get upgrade this AM?
[15:38] <Jaymac> jbroome: it won't let me upgrade, and i don't want to force it :)
[15:39] <Gilou> :p
[15:39] <Gilou> jbroome> hardy kernel fail to boot on my travelmate laptop
[15:39] <Gilou> and I have ACPI & HAL issues that may be related to that
[15:39] <jbroome> gotcha.
[15:40] <Gilou> it boots on the old 2.6.20
[15:40] <Gilou> but I still see kernel oops HAL related
[15:41] <jbroome> i'll hold off 'til i see a new FF beta :)
[15:41] <Gilou> beta5 ?
[15:41] <Gilou> :p
[15:41] <mooboo1> Bruce Schneier doesn't use an IDE, or even a text editor, he uses an AK47 and a punch card.
[15:41]  * Gilou runs it
[15:42] <Jaymac> I press the mute fn key on my vaio laptop, and it mutes for a split-second
[15:42] <Jaymac> and then goes back to normal...
[15:43] <Jaymac> all the other Fn keys work fine
[15:43]  * Gilou tries it
[15:43] <Gilou> it works here, but the gnome mixer applet won't start lol
[15:43] <Gilou> ):
[15:43] <Jaymac> Gilou: you have a Sony Vaio?
[15:43] <Gilou> nah, travelmate
[15:43]  * Gilou is not rich :p
[15:43] <Jaymac> Gilou: oh
[15:43] <Gilou> (Acer)
[15:44] <Jaymac> Gilou: insurance paid for this
[15:44] <Jaymac> :)
[15:44] <Gilou> nice one
[15:44] <Jaymac> Gilou: last laptop broke and this vaio was all the insurance company had available to send out immediately
[15:45] <Gilou> if I do the same here, they are probably going to send me a worse one than mine.. )
[15:46] <mooboo1> AES stands for "Ain't Encryption to Schneier."
[15:46] <Gilou> mooboo1> you're mistaken with Chuck Norris
[15:46] <mooboo1> nowai
[15:46] <Jaymac> is Bruce Schneier the new Chuck Norris?
[15:46] <mooboo1> yes
[15:47] <Jaymac> I've never heard of him
[15:47] <mooboo1> what???+++
[15:47] <nDuff> Jaymac, go turn in your computing license.
[15:47] <Jaymac> Does that earn me a roundhouse kick to the head?
[15:47] <orvokki> Me neither, really. This might be more of an #ubuntu-offtopic matter though.
[15:47] <mooboo1> http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/26
[15:47] <mooboo1> nDuff, word!
[15:48] <Gilou> Schneier isn't "that" impressive anyway
[15:48] <Jaymac> I'm not A Merkin, which might explain my ignorance :)
[15:49] <jbroome> i'm not a pubic wig either
[15:49] <mooboo1> merkin?
[15:50] <Jaymac> A merkin is a pubic wig, but it is also how Mr Bush pronounces "American"
[15:50] <gluko> i've got a problem with hardy on an amd64 processor (installed with wubi). after the loading screen i get a black screen. i started it in safe mode, but i got errors claiming it's a read only system.
[15:50] <gluko> sorry, I'm german, my english is no good
[15:51] <nikrud> gluko #ubuntu+1 is handling hardy questions till release
[15:51] <orvokki> nikrud: This is #ubuntu+1...
[15:51]  * nikrud looks around
[15:51] <nikrud> :)
[15:51] <tigerstein> :D
[15:51] <nikrud> dang autojoin left me in the wrong place
[15:51] <gluko> ;)
[15:51] <evand> gluko: is this by any chance in VMWare?
[15:52] <evand> or another virtual machine product
[15:52] <gluko> no
[15:52] <wangfg-x31> how to use suspend to disk and resume, hibernate works, but cannot resume from disk...
[15:52] <gluko> i installed it with wubi
[15:52] <Jaymac> wangfg-x31: afraid that is still prety much hit and miss
[15:52] <evand> right, I mean are you running Windows in a VM
[15:52] <orvokki> Never used wubi myself.
[15:52] <Jaymac> pretty*
[15:52] <evand> gluko: ^
[15:52] <gluko> no i don't
[15:52] <nikrud> wangfg-x31 /var/log/syslog should have some info about what's failing (if it gets that far)
[15:52] <gluko> properly installed windows
[15:52] <Jaymac> evand: that would be some pretty hardcore emulation :)
[15:53] <Jaymac> ubuntu in windows in ubuntu
[15:53] <Jaymac> sorry, virtualisation*
[15:53] <Lamego> wubi is not ubuntu in windows, it's just ubuntu in ntfs
[15:53] <evand> gluko: ok, please file a bug at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.  If you could post a picture of the errors, or even better if you a have a null modem cable and a serial port, we can show you how to gather full logs through that.
[15:53] <evand> Jaymac: I do it all the time to test :)
[15:54] <Jaymac> evand: Heh, if I had a Windows licence I might be tempted
[15:54]  * gluko searchs his digi cam
[15:55] <gluko> okay, i will reboot and take some pictures
[15:56] <happy-sufferer> My computer had Ubuntu 7.04 Gnome intially, but to get something working, I had to try out Xubuntu 8.04 Beta install. But now I have fixed the problem I faced and would like to remove Xubuntu completely. When I had Xubuntu 8.04 installed, I chose the "guided partitioning", wherein Xubuntu was put on a separate partition on the hard drive, without touching the Ubuntu 7.10 files.  How do I completely remove Xubuntu 8.04 and give ba
[16:03] <ReL1K> anyone experiencing any major issues updating from gutsy to hardy?
[16:05] <robilive> I've changed the color of "OK" message on bootup in hardy (whitout splashscreen) :) Thank you :D
[16:06] <macogw> ReL1K: gnome-settings-daemon is broken
[16:07] <ReL1K> k
[16:07] <magnetron> ok, will hardy be released in 3 months?
[16:07] <Jaymac> 3 weeks
[16:08] <rsk> oh my
[16:08] <macogw> 24th
[16:09] <Jaymac> bah my laptop screen keeps flickering with hardy as well - most annoying
[16:09] <bhsx> hey, can anyone help me get my Brother MFC-3420c installed?  I installed the LPD .deb but the PPD isntall says ".../cups/model/brmfc3420c_cups.ppd: No such file or directory."  I made the dir 'model' but it still wont install... any ideas?
[16:12] <Jaymac> Just to double check, I take it other people are getting this message when running update-manager today?
[16:12] <Jaymac> Could not calculate the upgrade
[16:12] <Jaymac> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[16:12] <Jaymac>  This can be caused by:
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[16:12] <Jaymac> This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.
[16:13] <Gringo_> will FF3 be in the final release of Hardy?
[16:13] <rsk> Gringo_: nobody knows
[16:13] <Gringo_> 'cause i just read FF3 won't be final until june
[16:13] <Pici> Jaymac: Please don't flood, use a pastebin.
[16:13] <Lamego> so, you have your own answer :P
[16:13] <Jaymac> Pici: that is hardly a flood in a barely active channel; I know all about pastebin.
[16:13] <Pici> Jaymac: Then you should be using pastebin.
[16:14] <Pici> Gringo_: The default browser in Hardy currently is the FF3 beta
[16:14] <rsk> FF3 beta 4
[16:14] <macogw> is there a way to get g-s-d working or should i just downgrade it?
[16:14] <rsk> and 5 just came out
[16:14] <Gringo_> rsk: what happens if I upgrade to hardy now? will i get the correct updates automatically later this month when hardy is released?
[16:14] <rsk> after beta 5 there will be rc's
[16:14] <Pici> !final | Gringo_
[16:14] <ubotu> Gringo_: If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[16:14] <rsk> Gringo_: um well.. yes
[16:15] <Jaymac> I'd imagine FF3 will make it into 8.04.1
[16:15] <Gringo_> and if FF3 isn't in that release, it will be downgraded somehow? :)
[16:15] <rsk> Gringo_: um... what?
[16:16] <Lamego> gribelu, FF3 beta is provided on this release
[16:16] <Gringo_> just a detail really, but what if Firefox 3 isn't in the final release of Hardy, and i'm running Hardy beta with Firefox 3
[16:16] <Gringo_> will it be downgraded by the updates?
[16:16] <Jaymac> Gringo_: Firefox 3 is in Hardy, as the default, in its beta state
[16:16] <macogw> hey figured out why no intel wireless on -13.  There's no linux-ubuntu-modules for -13.  The last one was for -12.  This is problematic.
[16:17] <Gringo_> Jaymac: yes it is, but Hardy will be released later this month, much before FF3 will be final
[16:18] <Gringo_> and Hardy is a LTS release, so FF3 will prolly not be in it
[16:18] <Jaymac> Gringo_: I'd say it is unlikely that FF will be downgraded back to V2
[16:18] <Jaymac> The devs knew the projected release date of FF3 when they included it in Hardy#
[16:18] <rsk> Gringo_: ff2 isnt supported in 3 years. afaik
[16:18] <Gringo_> i see
[16:18] <IdleOne> Gringo_: so that means because it is a LTS they will have more time to work on FF3
[16:19] <rsk> Gringo_: imo it would be smarter to go with firefox 3rc2 or something
[16:20] <Gringo_> i'm curious then: what exactly does LTS mean? does it mean that the released ISO itself will be supported for 3 years?
[16:20] <rsk> long term support
[16:20] <Gringo_> or that the released ISO + updates from the internet will be supported (internet connection required)
[16:20] <rsk> not the iso
[16:20] <rsk> you can get ubuntu in several other ways
[16:20] <rsk> and yes it requires internet connection or offline updates
[16:21] <rsk> to be updated
[16:21] <Gringo_> ah
[16:21] <Lamego> Gringo_, it means the software packages will get security updates during the LTS time
[16:21] <Gringo_> so FF3 could easily be updated to the final version in June
[16:21] <rsk> anytime
[16:21] <Gringo_> in that case it's indeed a better idea to simply include ff3
[16:22] <Gringo_> I think i'll just update to Hardy today then... any reason why i shouldn't go to amd64?
[16:23] <rsk> um sure
[16:23] <rsk> flash isn't supported
[16:23] <rsk> java?
[16:23] <Gringo_> precompiled binaries (propriatary) don't always work
[16:23] <rsk> lots of things needs extra configuration to get working
[16:23] <Gringo_> flash doesn't work at all in a;d64?
[16:23] <rsk> not native
[16:23] <Gringo_> okay, i386 it is :)
[16:24] <Gringo_> i need java too, and the nvidia drivers
[16:24] <rsk> nvidia drivers have x32_64 afaik
[16:25] <macogw> Gringo_: gnome-settings-daemon doesnt work today
[16:25] <macogw> and there's no linux-ubuntu-modules for the current kernel
[16:25] <macogw> or linux-restricted-modules
[16:26] <Gringo_> is amd64 noticably faster? or is it only downsides? :)
[16:26] <mooboo1> when i had update yesterday, new kernel, it didnt get graphics :( but today i ran apt-get update from console (not X), and then i updated it, so it worked
[16:26] <mooboo1> but noob cant fix this, only eliete hacker like my
[16:27] <macogw> mooboo1: hahah there was no l-r-m yesterday
[16:27] <macogw> there's still no l-u-m
[16:27] <Lamego> flash and java, both work on amd64
[16:27] <plurt> hi, how can I get the list of updates available in commandline?
[16:27] <rsk> plurt: sudo apt-get update
[16:28] <plurt> that doesn't seem to give a list of updates to be installed on my system sepcifically does it?
[16:28] <rsk> it does ?
[16:28] <rsk> er... upgrade
[16:29] <WGGMk> has anyone else run into a problem with GFX Grub? I follow the steps to install and receive "graphics file missing"
[16:29] <plurt> upgrade installs them all at once?
[16:29] <rsk> plurt: no
[16:29] <mvo> the "can not calculate upgrade" message is know and only a trainsient issue, it should be all good again tomorow
[16:29] <rsk> plurt: it ask for what updates to be installed and you select /yes/no
[16:30] <Gringo_> rsk: according to this: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2008/03/ubuntu-hardy-heron-beta-amd64.html
[16:30] <Gringo_> flash works without hassle on amd64 hardy
[16:30] <plurt> there seems no way to select them at all
[16:30] <gluko> you mentioned another method (something with a modem?) instead of taking pictures of the error at startup (i am the one with the wubi hardy problem)
[16:31] <rsk> wow nice
[16:31] <Lamego> gluko, null cable modem
[16:31] <rsk> plurt: just look at the list and apt-get upgrade package1 package2
[16:31] <Gilou> null modem cable
[16:31] <Gilou> :p
[16:32] <Lamego> ops :P
[16:32] <gluko> mmh i don't think i've got one...
[16:33] <Gilou> u can also try to output them in the log
[16:33] <Gilou> gluko> does your kernel hang completely (aka panic)?
[16:33] <gluko> can't do anything
[16:33] <gluko> so i guess yes
[16:33] <gluko> ^^
[16:34] <Gilou> do the leds blink?
[16:34] <Gilou> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[16:35] <uniscript> any reason why all the letters in my default application font (for gnome)are sans but the digits are serif?
[16:35] <gluko> would it help if i run the memtest?
[16:36] <Gilou> the memtest will tell you if it's a RAM problem
[16:37] <macogw> can someone do an apt search for linux-ubuntu-modules
[16:37] <macogw> am i crazy or is there not one for -13?
[16:38] <gluko> i'll follow the steps of the link
[16:40] <Jaymac> is sending files from a mobile phone to a pc still not enabled by default in hardy?  i keep getting fail messages (i've checked the "Receive Files from Remote Devices" box in the bluetooth preferences)
[16:41] <recon69> hi all, just wanted to ask about glx , gnome-setting-demon , seem you can have one or the other but not both. should I just wait and see if it gets fixed?
[16:42] <uniscript> are other people seeing serif digits with sans serif fonts in gnome apps?
[16:44]  * Gilou has to get some nerve to try to debunk the kernel bug..
[16:46] <linkinxp> guys! good morning!
[16:46] <linkinxp> i have a question how i control Vista from ubuntu ( what packages do i need)
[16:47] <Jaymac> linkinxp: what do you mean by "control" Vista?
[16:47] <volkodav> hehe
[16:47] <Lamego> linkinxp, you mean remote desktop ?
[16:48] <linkinxp> Lamego,  yes
[16:48] <linkinxp> remote desktop
[16:49] <Jaymac> linkinxp: well the ubuntu packages are installed by default - you probably need to enable remote administration on the Vista computer though
[16:49] <Lamego> linkinxp, you need to install the rdesktop
[16:49] <Lamego> ops, default installed
[16:49] <linkinxp> ok!
[16:49] <Jaymac> linkinxp: Applications > Internet > Remote Desktop Viewer
[16:49] <linkinxp> nothing else! like any protocol or something like that
[16:49] <linkinxp> :D
[16:49] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  put ip and thatss it?
[16:50] <Jaymac> linkinxp: assuming your vista machine allows remote administration
[16:50] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  do u know which port does vista use ?
[16:50] <linkinxp> Jaymac,  yes
[16:50] <Jaymac> linkinxp: go for it
[16:50] <Rotlaus> Since the change from the  2.6.24-12-generic to the  2.6.24-12-386 and now with the  2.6.24-13-386 my sound doesn't work anymore. Is this a known problem or should i report it anywhere? And how can ifix it?
[16:50] <linkinxp> ill see
[16:52] <recon61> anyone know why Nexuiz  wont run in full screen mode?
[16:55] <Melch> anyone  still having a problem upgrading
[16:55] <gilster32> anyone here have any experience with DVD-RAM discs
[16:55] <gilster32> ?
[16:55] <wangfg-x31> ls
[16:55] <Blues-Man> hello
[16:55] <Blues-Man> i ve put wireless-linux 2.6 kernel on my kubuntu 8 and I can't mount any drive automatically anymore :/ what's wrong?
[16:55] <Melch> is everyone having have a problem upgrading?
[16:56] <Jaymac> Melch: yeah I'm getting told to do a partial upgrade then getting an error before it stats
[16:56] <Jaymac> starts*
[16:56] <Melch> is it an error about the kernel?
[16:57] <Jaymac> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[16:57] <recon61> Blues-Man: check your fstab and the drive names, they changed when i updated from hda to sda ect
[16:57] <Melch> we can't the only ones with this problem
[16:58] <Melch> is anyone else getting a problem upgrading?
[16:58] <scobby> hi all
[16:58] <Melch> scobby are you having a problem upgrading
[16:58] <scobby> i have hardy installed, workes fine, but firefox 3.0 is in english locales de_DE are installed
[16:59] <recon61> Blues-Man: ie the drives in fstab stayed as hda while the device names changed to sda, hope this helps
[16:59] <scobby> Melch: what do you mean?
[16:59] <Blues-Man> recon61, in fstab I had hash instead of /dev/sda5 for example
[16:59] <Melch> never mind
[16:59] <Blues-Man> *have
[16:59] <Blues-Man> but there are only the root and the swap
[16:59] <Melch> anyone having problem upgrading
[16:59] <Blues-Man> also before with the old kernel
[17:00] <Blues-Man> I have this hash UUID=b78697df-0ad5-414c-b96f-72ad6d10c51b instead of /dev/sda5
[17:00] <gilster32> so no one knows DVD-RAM discs. the old pioneer thing?
[17:00] <recon61> Blues-Man: probably something else then , the uuid's are correct
[17:00] <Gilou> Blues-Man> it's like that since feisty
[17:00] <Gilou> or even edgy :p
[17:00] <Gilou> ls /dev/disks/by-uuid -l
[17:00] <Blues-Man> yes but before it worked for other drive
[17:00] <Pedantic-Steve> man, update is going slooooooow.  must be lots of people downloading them
[17:01] <Gilou> will tell you about them
[17:01] <Jaymac> Gilou: edgy :)
[17:01] <Melch> you can upgrade?
[17:01] <Blues-Man> even if there weren't in fstab
[17:01] <Melch> I can't update my kernel
[17:01] <plurt> what's the easiest way to boot in a fully functional commandline system?
[17:01] <Gilou> ok trackerd wasn't able to index all my files in 3 hours
[17:01] <Blues-Man> now with new kernel I can't mount automatically pen drive
[17:01] <Gilou> I think it's gonna meet the trashcan :)
[17:01] <Jaymac> Melch: that is probably not a bad thing - if there is a problem you don't want to download it :)
[17:01] <Blues-Man> hald is working
[17:01] <Jaymac> i am sure i tiwll get fixed
[17:02] <Pedantic-Steve> is there a problem with the updates that are out today? should I not update?
[17:02] <scobby> anyone know why locales dont work in firefox on hardy??
[17:02] <iiinc> Hi, no compiz drop shadows on AMD64 in hardy... Is there a way to get them back?
[17:03] <Blues-Man> Gilou, with that command I see my drives, so have I to add to fstab to have mounted automatically at start?
[17:03] <dwidmann> and now to time how long it takes to build a kernel with the new comp :)
[17:03] <Gilou> you have to check fstab has the good partitions
[17:03] <Blues-Man> right now fstab has only 2 entries
[17:03] <Blues-Man> one is for my root
[17:03] <Blues-Man> and one for the swap
[17:04] <Pedantic-Steve> anyone here can tell me if I should avoid updating at this time?  before my download completes??
[17:04] <Gilou> and this is wrong?
[17:04] <phaidros> hi, gdmgreeter seems to be broken :/
[17:04] <Gilou> ah new linux image
[17:04] <Gilou> let's have fun :)
[17:04] <Blues-Man> Gilou, no but with this kernel change I can't mount drives by Media in Konqueror
[17:04] <Blues-Man> i wonder why
[17:04] <Blues-Man> even this the pendrive
[17:04] <Gilou> hal fuck up? :p
[17:04] <Blues-Man> i can't see anymore the new drive win
[17:05] <Gilou> can you mount them using mount ?
[17:05] <Blues-Man> yes
[17:05] <Gilou> so it's either a HAL or konqueror fuck up
[17:05] <Blues-Man> hal is running
[17:05] <iiinc> phaidros: Fix is "sudo cp /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc.en"
[17:05] <Blues-Man> i launched also hald again
[17:06] <Blues-Man> but cannot mount automatically pendrives anymore :/
[17:06]  * Gilou prays for the new kernel to bring him the truth
[17:06] <Blues-Man> :)
[17:06] <Gilou> Blues-Man> check if there are some error message
[17:07]  * Gilou reboots
[17:07]  * Gilou hopes, prays, believes
[17:08] <phaidros> thx iiinc :)
[17:09]  * Gilou waits for the leds to blink
[17:09] <Gilou> wow! it boots!
[17:09] <Gilou> WOOHOO! :)
[17:09] <phaidros> congrats!
[17:09] <Gilou> let's wait for hal to start
[17:09] <Gilou> :)
[17:09] <Gilou> aaaaaah
[17:09] <Gilou> hal still coughs
[17:09] <Gilou> too bad, I believed.
[17:09] <Gilou> well at least I may be able to report something :)
[17:09] <Oli``> Is there a process for requesting a package is updated to its latest version?
[17:10] <Jaymac> Oli``: beg the backports people
[17:11] <Gilou> aaaaand a kernel panic
[17:11] <phaidros> not nice
[17:12] <Gilou> yeah but it might have logged something
[17:12] <Gilou> so I may be able to report it
[17:13] <iiinc> does no one know how I can get my drop shadows back?
[17:14] <crdlb> iiinc: using gtk-window-decorator?
[17:14] <iiinc> Installed Hardy and they're gone, ccsm doesn't seem to have the option... Yes, gnome-window-decorator
[17:15] <crdlb> not even on decorated windows?
[17:15] <iiinc> nothing
[17:15] <iiinc> flat
[17:15] <iiinc> wobbly windows work perfectly
[17:15] <iiinc> all effects work
[17:15] <iiinc> just no shadows by default, on a clean install
[17:16] <Who_> Anyone here with wubi experience?
[17:17] <iiinc> nvidia driver and fresh kernel as of this morning
[17:18] <evand> Who_: whatever you prefer, but I think SUB should be sufficient.
[17:19] <Who_> evand: thanks.
[17:19] <Who_> evand: so it definitely isn't likely to be going anywhere fun?
[17:20] <evand> Who_: no problem.  Much appreciated if you file a bug so we can track the issue. http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug .
[17:20] <Who_> evand: I will if the logs look helpful - cos right now my bug report would look like: got a long way, showed a desktop. Swapped for the rest of the day :P
[17:21] <evand> Who_: indeed :)
[17:21] <Who_> by desktop I mean image, no icons...
[17:21] <Who_> hmm
[17:21] <matti_> does anyone know of a good howto on how to get a lcd 40" tv to work? i have installed nvidia drivers and nvtv but it doest seem to help, i cant get any picture on my tv :/
[17:21] <Who_> after RSEI dropped me to a normal shell things are happier
[17:22] <happy-sufferer> hello, should i get the desktop cd or the alternate install CD?
[17:22] <Who_> evand: I have got a ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ pompt now.
[17:22] <happy-sufferer> Hwo can I decide?
[17:23] <cyclonuts> does anyone know a way to install imagemagick q8 version with apt?
[17:23] <Who_> evand: is there anything I can do to finsih of the install so I don't have to give up on wubi and use UNetBootIn?
[17:23] <Who_> evand: or at least get more useful diagnostic info?
[17:24] <recon61> happy-sufferer: as far as i know the alternate CD is for low ram machines < 256mb
[17:24] <akk> happy-sufferer: Probably depends on your machine -- if it's modern and has no unusual hardware, the regular live CD might be best
[17:24] <recon61> opps thats less that 512MB
[17:24] <evand> Who_: yes, hit escape when you see the grub countdown and enable verbose mode.
[17:25] <uniscript> also use alternate if you want encrypted root
[17:25] <Who_> evand: I was in verbose mode when it died - I did that anyway to watch (not that I didn't have confidence, or anything :P)
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> akk: mine is 4 years old
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
[17:25] <happy-sufferer> 1 Gig hz. 1 gig ram
[17:26] <akk> happy-sufferer: If you have a fast net connection, try live first anyway -- it might work. If it doesn't, there's always the alternate.
[17:26] <Who_> evand: but I haven't restarted, I just did RSEI and am at a command prompt - with user ubuntu - so on the install image at the moment. Can I finish off the install in a text mode, or does the live cd image not even have that on it?
[17:26] <recon61> happy-sufferer: far as i know the only difference is the alternate does not use a GUI when installing to save memory
[17:27] <evand> Who_: that will pass the debug flag to the installer which will write a more verbose log to /var/log/installer/debug in addition to writing to /var/log/syslog.  If you can somehow get those off the CD (copy to /host), they'll most likely be helpful in determining what's going wrong.  The ubiquity section of the output of ps auxf might also give us clues.
[17:27] <Melch> So when can i update my kernel
[17:27] <evand> Who_: well, you could try running `ubiquity noninteractive`
[17:28] <evand> I make no guarantees though :)
[17:28] <Belisarivs> Hi
[17:28] <Who_> evand: even though this is in wubi-world?
[17:29] <evand> Who_: just to clarify, you've run the wubi executable and rebooted from windows into an installer environment, correct?
[17:29] <Who_> evand: yea - I have.
[17:30] <jepler> can someone tell me whether iwl3945 or ipw3945 will be used by default in Hardy?
[17:30] <evand> ok, then yes, ubiquity noninteractive will probably work (though admittedly I've never tried it with a wubi preseed before)
[17:30] <Belisarivs> I spotted significant slowdown of compiz after upgrade to HH. In GG I could use even water effects without problems and now I cannot use compiz at all. I use intel GMA950 graphic card. Nothing particularly spectacular, but had no problems with Compiz.
[17:30] <iiinc> jepler: iwl3945
[17:30] <ba5e> how quick does your hardy boot? have you used bootchart to time?
[17:30] <evand> Who_: usual rules apply, if this is an important system, please for the love of everything, back up first.
[17:30] <Belisarivs> Should I report it?
[17:30] <jepler> iiinc: thanks
[17:30] <Who_> evand: fails due to dbus
[17:30] <ba5e> mine is real slow
[17:31] <Who_> evand: could hardly be less important - only concern is that installing _anything_ if I loose XP will be hard because I have no CDRom drive...
[17:31] <Belisarivs> jepler: be warned, signal led doesn't work with ewl. Otherwise it works fine.
[17:31] <jepler> Belisarivs: yes I saw those bugs in launchpad while I was trying to figure out which was default
[17:31] <jepler> iwl3945 is not a "restricted driver", correct?
[17:32] <iiinc> jepler, unsure of its status
[17:32] <Belisarivs> I think it is. Firmware must be installed still.
[17:32] <Belisarivs> And that is non GPL
[17:32] <iiinc> the driver itself is GPL though
[17:32] <iiinc> you just can't use it without the blob
[17:32] <Belisarivs> exactly
[17:32] <iiinc> bleah
[17:33] <iiinc> stupid imaginary property
[17:33] <jepler> yeah, well
[17:33] <jepler> looks like iwl3945.ko comes from linux-ubuntu-modules, not linux-restricted-modules
[17:33] <evand> Who_: ah, yeah, hal-lock needs that.  Try sudo /usr/lib/ubiquity/bin/ubiquity noninteractive
[17:33] <h3sp4wn> Firmware is different
[17:33] <Belisarivs> Anybody, did you make suspend to disc work in HH on HP530?
[17:34] <iiinc> http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[17:34] <h3sp4wn> Its not a blob as it runs on the card not on the host
[17:35] <spiderfire> anyone done a custom livecd before? is it supposed to say failed to read /proc stuff, creating empty file?
[17:35] <Who_> evand: better so far. hard disk spinning, and all that :)
[17:35] <mlalkaka> Will the final release of Hardy Heron come with the final release of Firefox 3?
[17:35] <h3sp4wn> spiderfire: Didn't for me
[17:35] <evand> heh
[17:35] <iiinc> Who cares, use Epiphany :D
[17:36]  * iiinc is being facetious
[17:36] <Belisarivs> Epiphany with webkit. Yeah.
[17:36] <spiderfire> h3sp4wn: what i do wrong?
[17:36] <mlalkaka> yeah i ought to try epiphany
[17:36] <uniscript> is firefox crashing for people?
[17:36] <iiinc> THe only thing I miss is the FF3 'awesomebar'
[17:37] <Who_> iiinc: which is so well named :P
[17:37] <mlalkaka> so what's the advantage of epiphany?
[17:37] <iiinc> Epiphany's bookmark system is so great
[17:37] <iiinc> you just tag things, and it organizes them into folders for you
[17:37] <iiinc> nested folders
[17:37] <Who_> iiinc: it does 'smart keywords' like firefox?
[17:38] <Stormx2> Meh
[17:38] <Stormx2> I'd use epiphany if I could load firefox extensions into it
[17:38] <Stormx2> and it had proper tabbing.
[17:38] <iiinc> It does smart bookmarks with a plugin, and any non-url thing you type into the location bar takes you to google
[17:38] <jepler> mlalkaka: I think the final release of Mozilla 3 is well after the release of LTS -- June according to http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2008/03/mozilla-final-v.html
[17:38] <iiinc> tabbing's fine :D
[17:38] <Stormx2> it opens new windows all the time
[17:38] <Stormx2> even if I tell it not to.
[17:38] <Stormx2> therefore it is not fine ;_;
[17:38] <iiinc> Not for me it doesn't.
[17:38] <plurt> how do I quit gnome and go to commandline without much hussle?
[17:39] <iiinc> Are they flash popups?
[17:39] <Stormx2> plurt, ctrl + alt + f1?
[17:39] <jepler> plurt: type ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a pure text terminal
[17:39] <jepler> ctrl-alt-f7 (or maybe some other key) to get back to graphical
[17:39] <Stormx2> ctrl + alt + f7 to get back
[17:39] <plurt> does it kill gnome?
[17:39] <Stormx2> No
[17:39] <Stormx2> It just puts you in another tty.
[17:39] <jepler> no, it leaves the graphical interface running
[17:39] <plurt> hrm
[17:39] <Stormx2> plurt, why do you want to quit gnome entirely?
[17:39] <plurt> human-theme doesn't want to upgrade
[17:40] <plurt> and I don't want to reboot
[17:40] <akk> plurt: Kill gdm (or remove the gdm package, if you want to do that all the time).
[17:40] <Who_> plurt:ctrl+alt+backspace kills all X stuff for me...
[17:41] <Stormx2> And restarts it, yeah
[17:41] <Who_> plurt:but it is violent!
[17:41] <jepler> plurt: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will stop the GUI, 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop' will restart it
[17:41] <plurt> and that doesn't bring you back to a graphical login?
[17:41] <Stormx2> It does. Cause it just restarts X.
[17:41] <akk> plurt: gdm is the thing that's restarting X and giving you the graphical login, so killing it will get you back to a text console.
[17:41] <jepler> but without the specific error message, I suspect that this is unrelated to upgrading a package using the package manager or 'apt-get' at the commandline
[17:41] <plurt> I tried yesterday night and whatever I did, always the graphical login
[17:41] <Stormx2> What's wrong with Ctrl + Alt + F1 eh?
[17:42] <plurt> I don't want to boot in save mode because I want to keep my connection alive
[17:42] <jepler> how are you trying to upgrade?  what error is displayed?
[17:42] <Stormx2> Does it do nothing?
[17:42] <Stormx2> or what?
[17:42] <plurt> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:42] <Stormx2> use dist-upgrade :)
[17:42] <plurt> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/human-theme_0.14_all.deb
[17:43] <plurt> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:43] <Stormx2> you can fix broken packages with dpkg, but I can't remember exactly how.
[17:43] <akk> It doesn't say what errors?
[17:43] <Stormx2> plurt, so why can't you use gnome?
[17:43] <Stormx2> it should just revert to gtk1 if there's a problem with the theme.
[17:43] <iiinc> fix broken packages: apt-get -f install
[17:44] <iiinc> if the setup process was interrupted dpkg --configure -a
[17:44] <jepler> if you have a reason to believe the downloaded .deb file might be damaged, sudo rm it.
[17:45] <plurt> didn't want to mess with themes and x and all, just kill - install - restart
[17:45] <plurt> thought that would be easier
[17:45] <plurt> can't see why it should be such a problem
[17:46] <jepler> I can't see why you think this problem results from having the graphical interface running.
[17:46] <Stormx2> It isn't a problem :/
[17:46] <plurt> how do I stop gdm from restarting temporarily?
[17:46] <Stormx2> plurt, you've already been told :/
[17:46] <plurt> I see
[17:46] <plurt> valid point
[17:46] <plurt> :)
[17:46] <Stormx2> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[17:46] <Stormx2> or ctrl + alt + f1
[17:46] <Stormx2> or just use gnome.
[17:47] <Stormx2> it _should_ work and I don't know why you're avoiding it.
[17:47] <Stormx2> If it works, great, fix it. Otherwise use command line through ctrl + alt + f1
[17:47] <plurt> :)
[17:49] <meilon> Hi!
[17:49] <meilon> how can I make compiz start emerald as decorator?
[17:51] <Ayabara> which repos will FF beta 5 appear in? I don't have to enable backports and stuff to get it?
[17:53] <Unksi> Ayabara: there is no backports for hardy in the development stage, there is no need for them yet
[17:55] <jepler> oh look, 200+ megs of updates to download
[17:56] <happy-sufferer> recon61: to save memory during install OR after ?
[17:59] <Ayabara> Unksi: ok. so I will get it through my "regular" updates soon?
[17:59] <Unksi> yes
[17:59] <Unksi> today or tomorrow, i would guess
[17:59] <Unksi> it wasnt yet as i updated 30 minutes ago
[18:01] <Ayabara> great
[18:05] <gluko> hi
[18:05] <gluko> i've taken some pictures now
[18:06] <gluko> from demsg | less
[18:16] <evand> gluko: great, can you create a bug report on http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug and add them as attachments?
[18:19] <graft> is anyone else having checksum issues with their repository mirror?
[18:20] <tyler_d> wow
[18:20] <tyler_d> hello room
[18:21] <graft> pretty silent here
[18:21] <Who_> evand: I've got to go out so can't tell you final success/fail but if ubiquity has just had 1000% success (that's not a typo:P) with configuring the hardware - so it looks good. So thanks! Is there anything special I need to do to make the wubi system happen after ubiquity exits?
[18:21] <Who_> evand: spurious 'if' after but in first line - sorry
[18:22] <evand> Who_: yeah, the progress percent is a little wonky when in automatic mode.  And no, a simple 'reboot' should do it.
[18:22] <Who_> evand: Thanks a lot.
[18:23] <ogre> any news on HAL?
[18:23] <ogre> my install is currently busted and im on live disk
[18:23] <evand> Who_: you're welcome.
[18:24] <Who_> evand: oh - shall I still report a bug - or is this a pretty clear case of 'not enough memory'?
[18:25] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i install silverlight ?
[18:26] <IdleOne> silverlight? isnt that the windows java thing
[18:26] <insomninja> more like flash
[18:27] <ogre> anyone recently update and have HAL not work? I have no panels when it boots sometimes no wallpaper. also said it couldnt launch nautilus because of bonobo. just curious
[18:27] <evand> Who_: I've made a note to check the system requirements against Wubi, so I don't think a bug report is necessary anymore.
[18:27] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: doubt that microsoft has open the souce on that
[18:27] <IdleOne> source
[18:27] <Who_> pvandewyngaerde: you can't - but you can use moonlight - I don't know much about it though
[18:27] <pvandewyngaerde> IdleOne: indeed, many sites require it now
[18:27] <b47619> where exactly is the Trahs located?
[18:27] <b47619> Trash*
[18:28] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: then perhaps you need to look for sites and companies that are not slaves to Monopolies
[18:28] <ogre> b47619:  should be on yr panel
[18:28] <b47619> I use KDE 4
[18:28] <IdleOne>    /.Trash
[18:29] <b47619> ok
[18:29] <ogre> well i guess ill try screwing with it myself :/
[18:30] <IdleOne> pvandewyngaerde: http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight check this out
[18:30] <b47619> I can't find the trash folder in Dolphin...
[18:30] <Who_> pvandewyngaerde, IdleOne: moonlight has had some MS support in getting it working
[18:30] <pvandewyngaerde> IdleOne:  its on a site about the next web, hmm predicts nothin good http://thenextweb.org/2008/04/03/the-next-web-conference-live-videostream/
[18:30] <b47619> I accidently removed it from the left
[18:36] <meilon> how can I make compiz start emerald as decorator?
[18:42] <k1l> meilon, i got the same problem. i put emerald in the window decoration thing in compiz but it doesnt work :/
[18:43] <meilon> yep, thats what I tried too
[18:44] <almostdvs> so basically help will not be given?
[18:45] <jussio1> almostdvs: what do you mean?
[18:45] <almostdvs> "...and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy"
[18:45] <thoreauputic> strange comment on join...
[18:46] <almostdvs> i got some type of greeter crash
[18:46] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it's beta - it breaks. That's the deal
[18:46] <thoreauputic> that doesn't mean "no helP"
[18:47] <almostdvs> ok do you or anyone else have ideas on what i should try in my situation
[18:47] <jussio1> almostdvs: Its just saying dont try this unless you have some understanding of what you are getting yourself into.
[18:47] <almostdvs> i went to recovery mode and got the same error
[18:47] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: have you searched launchpad for gdm bugs?
[18:49] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: so far you haven't told us anything useful that we could help you with :)
[18:50] <almostdvs> i updated, and did the mandatory restart. got a greeter error and just now hopped on my grandmas laptop to see if i could help from irc and forums
[18:50] <thoreauputic> umm... " agreeter error" doesn't tell us anything. What is the error message?
[18:53] <almostdvs> hold on i'll reboot and tell you.  something failed/crashed trying another greeter, then nothing happens
[18:55] <dotech> greeter as in a boot loader?  the login window?
[18:55] <almostdvs> The Greeter Application Appears To Be Crashing. Attempting To Use A Different One
[18:55] <digin4> hmm
[18:55] <almostdvs> i have a pointer...  nothing loads though.  i let it set for about 15 min.
[18:56] <itsbland> FF Beta 4 doesn't clear private data. Anyone else seeing this?
[18:56] <osteenbergen> Does someone know how to fix battery indicator (and acpi in console) to report the correct data?
[18:56] <WorkingOnWise> Is replacing Gutsy with Hardy in the sources.list still an effective way to do an upgrade to Hardy?
[18:56] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[18:56] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[18:57] <almostdvs> one forum suggests i disable "Enable Accessible login"  does anyone know how to do this from terminal?
[18:58] <w0nder> man.. i'm really having problems getting my sound card working in hardy
[18:58] <w0nder> anyone around to help me troubleshoot?
[18:58] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: what happens if you get a console ( Ctrl -alt- F1 ) then run   sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   ?
[18:58] <w0nder> installed OSS yesterday.. the test is successful but i still don't get sound
[18:59] <thoreauputic> w0nder: why did you install OSS ? Do you have specific apps that need it?
[19:00] <Melch> can someone please help me with the partial upgrade?
[19:00] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: reloading gdm config...  changes will take effect when all current x sessions have ended
[19:00] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: OK is X running? If so do a ctrl-alt-backspace to kill it
[19:01] <Melch> it can't update the kernel-generic-image
[19:01] <thoreauputic> then try running   sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[19:01] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  nothing happened
[19:01] <Melch> itsays it can't authuncate
[19:01] <w0nder> if i try to do a test using System/Pref/Sound i get this: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing.
[19:01] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: try the restart command above
[19:02] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: it gave me the greeter message again
[19:03] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: and  what does  `pgrep X ` say?
[19:03] <thoreauputic> You mean the same error?
[19:03] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: 5579
[19:04] <thoreauputic> OK so at leat X is running - does gdm give you a login page ( graphical )
[19:04] <Melch> Anyone having a problem reciving the partitial upgrade due to the generic kernel image?
[19:04] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  no
[19:04] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: so all you have is a console prompt, right?
[19:04] <almostdvs> i have a pointer and i click on the ok message and nothing happens
[19:05] <thoreauputic> umm - that's graphical
[19:05] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: correct
[19:05] <thoreauputic> OK kill X - sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop   then try  just  startx  and see what happens
[19:07] <taza> Will 8.04 upgrade neatly to the full version once it's actually released?
[19:07] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: it had some weird graphics and now i am into my desktop.
[19:07] <taza> As in, Firefox 3b4 upgrading to Firefox3 etc?
[19:07] <thoreauputic> so you have a desktop with startx, right?
[19:07] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: ^^
[19:07] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: should i disable the "enable accessible login like the forum says
[19:07] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it sounds like a gdm problem
[19:08] <almostdvs> .. so i won't recieve this again
[19:08] <taza> or would I have to reinstall to et a decent experience?
[19:08] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: have you tried   sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[19:08] <taza> I'll have to reformat anyway and it appears that anything but Hardy lacks proper hardware support.
[19:09] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  does that roll back an update?
[19:09] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: startx bypassed the login screen (gdm) Hence I think the problem is with gdm
[19:09] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: no,  sudo apt-get -f install  tries to fix your install
[19:09] <thoreauputic> ie configure or reinstall etc, stuff that is incomplete or broken
[19:10] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: but at least you can get your desktop now, right?
[19:11] <almostdvs> thoreauputic:  yes, so if it happens again switch to terminal, login and stop gdm and startx?
[19:11] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: for the moment that's a work-around
[19:12] <taza> Or lemme guess, Hardy's still broken and I'm better off waiting if I have only one machine I need to work?
[19:12] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: you might also try running  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade a couple of times, and see if anything is missing
[19:12] <taza> (not that gutsy is working even halfway acceptably but I can still web browse)
[19:13] <thoreauputic> taza: if the machine is important to your work, then yes, do not use hardy
[19:13] <almostdvs> ok,  ill post the workaround on the forums too
[19:13] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: OK
[19:13] <taza> thoreauputic: Not important for my work, important that it works because it's my temp machine
[19:13] <taza> But then again, I have a long weekend so no better time than now.
[19:13] <thoreauputic> taza: whatever :)
[19:14] <briareos90> have all the packages been ported to hardy already ? as in apps/devtools/etc .. ?
[19:14] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: don't bother daying thank you or anything...
[19:14] <thoreauputic> &saying
[19:15] <almostdvs> thoreauputic: sorry thank you very much
[19:15] <taza> thoreauputic: I have a computer lab back home but I'm far away to study, so I use this box. Amusingly enough it's the only box I want to upgrade because all hw is brand new.
[19:15] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: it's cool :)
[19:15] <almostdvs> i was submitting the crash report to launchpad
[19:15] <taza> thoreauputic: Also, are you sure that's along the ubuntu code? o.O
[19:15] <taza> Or heck, along the programmer code.
[19:15] <taza> That was very, very rude.
[19:15] <thoreauputic> almostdvs: ah good :)
[19:16] <thoreauputic> taza: thanks. I've been helping on IRC since 2004 - I think I can say I understand the code of conduct
[19:17] <thoreauputic> taza: and gratuitous comments about a throw away line are not appreciated either
[19:17] <taza> thoreauputic: Well, expletive. You're just one exceptionally rude person then.
[19:17] <blitzchecker> hallo
[19:18] <blitzchecker> ich habe probleme einen palm tungsten t3 unter ubuntu (8.04 beta, fluxbox) einzurichten...
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: on the contrary, if you look at the record you will find that I am generally helpful and polite
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: leave it
[19:18] <thoreauputic> taza: you must be new around here
[19:19] <blitzchecker> oh sry i haven't seen that this is an english speaking channel ;)
[19:19] <taza> blitzchecker: Try #ubuntu-de ?
[19:19] <taza> thoreauputic: Actually, no.
[19:19] <bazhang> taza please ease up
[19:19] <blitzchecker> they said i can get hardy support here
[19:19] <taza> I knew the Ubuntu project was host to people like you but it still shocks me seeing one of you.
[19:19] <thoreauputic> taza: then you are quick to judge and know nothing about me
[19:19] <Gilou> lol yeaaaah !
[19:19] <Gilou> arguing on IRC, great :p
[19:20] <taza> thoreauputic: I know enough seeing those few lines
[19:20] <bazhang> !ot | taza
[19:20] <ubotu> taza: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[19:20] <taza> Well, I'm not here to argue
[19:20] <taza> bazhang: Already ignored him
[19:20]  * briareos90 slaps himself with a uber large hardy heron
[19:20] <bazhang> taza wrong person to ignore if your hardy crashes
[19:20] <taza> Now, anyone know if Hardy beta will upgrade nicely to hardy actual?
[19:21] <taza> bazhang: I don't have time for OSS egoes.
[19:21] <blitzchecker> i've got problems with sychnronizing a palm tungsten t3 with ubuntu (current 8.04 beta, fluxbox)... when i'm doing a hotsync, in /var/log/messages only those lines appear: http://paste.xairro.com/view/154/
[19:21] <taza> bazhang: I've been using linux before Ubuntu was even about, so I doubt I'll have too much trouble.
[19:21] <Gilou> why do you argue... mine is still bigger than yours
[19:22] <briareos90> O_O lol
[19:23] <taza> Gilou: Do you know if Hardy Beta will neatly upgrade to Hardy?
[19:23] <taza> Without weird system cruft.
[19:23] <Gilou> it probably will, especially if you follow the updates of the beta
[19:23] <briareos90> anyone compiled dolphin from svn ?
[19:23] <sourcemaker> what's the name for the vmare-server repository in Hardy?
[19:23] <Lamego> !final
[19:23] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[19:24] <bazhang> is that the canonical partner repo? I keep forgetting
[19:24] <Gilou> I have a weird kernel issue here in hardy, and I just broke my grub install, I'm a little bit angry at the moment :p
[19:24] <taza> Gilou: I have a Puppy install on a 256mb stick, I figure I can think my way through those. :P
[19:24] <sourcemaker> !vmware
[19:24] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[19:24] <Gilou> yeah well the kernel issue is weird
[19:25] <Gilou> and HAL / ACPI support seems broken for my laptop
[19:25] <taza> Gilou: How old a laptop and by which manufacturer?
[19:25] <briareos90> !hardy rc
[19:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardy rc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:25] <Gilou> Acer Travelmate
[19:25] <sourcemaker>  deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu hardy partner... is this available?
[19:25] <Gilou> 1 year old or so
[19:25] <taza> Yeah, you're right. That is a weird issue.
[19:25] <taza> :P
[19:26] <Gilou> lol
[19:26] <Gilou> yeah...
[19:26] <Gilou> intel & acpi brr.
[19:26] <briareos90> is it better to do a fresh install of hardy or to upgrade gutsy ?
[19:27] <bazhang> sourcemaker: aye
[19:28] <sourcemaker> bazhang: I can't find the vmware-server on apt?
[19:28] <bazhang> briareos90: what net connection you have? if fast a net upgrade makes sense; also if you dont have a seperate home partition then all will be lost without a backup
[19:28] <bazhang> sourcemaker: you enabled all the repos and reloaded
[19:29] <sourcemaker> bazhang: yes i have... maybe I have the wrong repo for vmware--- do you know the location?
[19:29] <briareos90> bazhang: /home is formatted ? i have a dsl with approx 200kbps dwnld
[19:30] <bazhang> sourcemaker: what does apt-cache search say about vmware?
[19:30] <sourcemaker> bazhang: do not find..
[19:30] <bazhang> briareos90: no; if you have seperate home then fresh install is fine; I have a bunch of tweaks and no sep home so a net upgrade was the only route for me
[19:30] <toorima> briareos90: safest is to do a backup, try the upgrade, if it works well, use it, if upgrade brakes bad, then reinstall and use your backup
[19:31] <briareos90> bazhang: yeah i have home on a different volgroup
[19:31] <bazhang> briareos90: very smart!
[19:31] <blitzchecker> has anyone a palm tungsten t3 running under ubuntu?
[19:31]  * briareos90 !sosmart
[19:32] <briareos90> imma try upgrade then
[19:32] <briareos90> :D
[19:33] <briareos90> bazhang: 2 more things though : 1) is kde4 stable enough 2) have most of the packages been ported to hardy yet ?
[19:33] <prakriti> how usable is ubuntu+1?
[19:33] <bazhang> sourcemaker: it should be in the commercial canonical repo; I had it from gutsy though so perhaps not in there yet
[19:34] <toorima> sourcemaker: maybe try virtualbox instead, I find it much nicer then vmware
[19:34] <bazhang> briareos90: kde3 packages you mean to kde4? or gutsy to hardy (generic)? there is a freeze now iirc
[19:34] <prakriti> I usually upgrade a couple weeks before release,  I'm just wondering what kind of not-working sorta things to look out for.
[19:34] <bazhang> prakriti: broadcom wireless?
[19:35] <prakriti> nope, no wireless
[19:35] <prakriti> i do have an intel wireless in my lappy
[19:35] <briareos90> bazhang: oh lol i forgot ... RC is out :p
[19:35] <bazhang> then you're good ;]
[19:35] <toorima> RC is out?
[19:35] <briareos90> isnt it out ?
[19:35] <taza> Not last I saw
[19:35] <Rigd> My nvidia 8600 show black stripes when using proprietary drivers, anyone has any idea?
[19:35] <bazhang> no idea; if you are up to date then you are RC ;]
[19:36] <kane77> what happened to pulse and amarok?
[19:36] <Lamego> RC is not out
[19:36] <bazhang> oops then nvm
[19:36] <briareos90> O_o someone in yahoo chatroom told me RC cd is up for download :p
[19:36] <taza> briareos90: Ah, Yahoo chatrooms. About as reliable as 4chan.
[19:36] <toorima> i thought RC was due on the 17th
[19:36] <briareos90> lol
[19:37] <bazhang> yahoo is at least better than digg ;]
[19:37] <taza> Just wait until /. says so.
[19:38] <briareos90> bazhang u got hardy installed ?
[19:39] <bazhang> briareos90: of course! ;]
[19:39] <briareos90> hows the stability ?
[19:39] <toorima> briareos90: better then gutsy
[19:39] <briareos90> O_O holy cow
[19:39] <kane77> briareos90, I haven't had any problems so far...
[19:39] <briareos90> O_O holy chicken
[19:39] <bazhang> quite nice but this is a desktop and my lappy has intel wireless briareos90
[19:39] <briareos90> correction holy moose
[19:40] <briareos90> wee imma install tonite :D
[19:40] <briareos90> u ahve kde or gnome ?
[19:40] <briareos90> i mean do you ahve kde 4 ?
[19:40] <bazhang> kde3/4 both
[19:41] <BadRobot> hi there
[19:41] <bazhang> hi
[19:41] <BadRobot> i have just updated my box and now i can't start it up
[19:41] <kane77> the only problem is amarok.. yesterday it gave me some funny messages so trying to fix it I removed the amarokrc and now I have to rebuild the library.. and it doesn't use pulse anymore...
[19:42] <bazhang> kane77: I had that too; rebuilding the library did it for me
[19:42] <BadRobot> it gives me some initri something and there it stays
[19:42] <T1m0thy> "unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[19:42] <BadRobot> i think it's something do with the kernel
[19:42] <bazhang> BadRobot: do you recall the precise error message?
[19:46] <BadRobot> sorry bazhang it looks like it has been fixed
[19:46] <BadRobot> so is it safe to update the kernel?
[19:46] <prophet05> Is the error of "Locking assertion failure." when starting java application using awt/swing with Java6 known for Hardy?
[19:46] <bazhang> BadRobot: ah good news then
[19:46] <BadRobot> now i have to do in my laptop
[19:47] <BadRobot> so,is it safe to update the kernel?
[19:47] <bazhang> manually?
[19:47] <BadRobot> no,with the update
[19:47] <briareos90> Gnight all
[19:47] <bazhang> what kernel do you have now?
[19:47] <bazhang> cya briareos90
[19:48] <askand> When I made the kernelupdate an hour ago, my X broke
[19:48] <BadRobot> my update manager is showing more the 155 updates and one of them is the kernel
[19:48] <bazhang> the -12 to the -13?
[19:48] <cyclonut> BadRobot: I didnt get any trouble
[19:48] <BadRobot> i don't trust kernel update,so i am just wondering if anyone have had problems with it
[19:49] <Turski> err?
[19:49] <BadRobot> luck you cyclonut
[19:49] <bazhang> I'm on -12
[19:49] <Turski> BadRobot: why you dont trust?
[19:49] <askand> I think it was the combo of a new kernel and using ATI that broke it for me
[19:49] <Turski> -14 works fine
[19:50] <cyclonut> BadRobot: that said, efore I hit the update, I was in here asking if it would destroy things ;-)
[19:50] <BadRobot> because usually kernel updates mess up the system
[19:50] <Turski> usually?
[19:50] <Turski> wtf
[19:50] <jbroome> you're doing it wrong
[19:50] <BadRobot> in my case it did 2x
[19:50] <Turski> i have updated kernel like 10 times and never messed up anything
[19:50] <BadRobot> once it was the libc6
[19:50] <Turski> or 20...
[19:50] <Turski> yeh
[19:50] <bazhang> that was bad
[19:50] <Turski> it was libc6
[19:50] <Turski> not kernel
[19:51] <jaffarkelshac> wait so the update is messing with x?
[19:51] <askand> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=743748 these people also having problem after updating the kernel and using ati just like me, I suggest you wait  if you are using ATI
[19:51] <Turski> BadRobot: imho kernel update is safe
[19:51] <BadRobot> ok
[19:52] <bazhang> update to what?
[19:52] <Turski> at least if you dont have ati
[19:52] <Turski> since looks like it has some problems
[19:52] <bazhang> to -13?
[19:52] <dotech> what swap size do you pick if you have 8gb of ram?
[19:52] <Turski> -14?
[19:52] <askand> BadRobot: If the kernel breaks for you you can choose to start an older kernel in GRUB
[19:52] <BadRobot> i don't mind if mess up my box,it's just for testing but my laptop i need to sure
[19:52] <dotech> i used to just go by ram size * 2, but that seems like major overkill now
[19:52] <bazhang> haha
[19:52] <T1m0thy> lol
[19:52] <T1m0thy> 16 gb swap space
[19:52] <dotech> yealol
[19:53] <cyclonut> dotech: honestly, I keep my swap at 1.5gb, never needed anything close to that.
[19:53] <dotech> nice, i was thinking 2gb
[19:53] <Turski> werent -14 released today for ubuntu?
[19:53] <jaffarkelshac> how come ubuntu does not have system restore
[19:53] <Turski> i think it get one update too today after release
[19:53] <BadRobot> my is1.2 gb too
[19:53] <Turski> got*
[19:53] <Turski> i have 10 Gb swap :)
[19:53] <T1m0thy> jaffarkelshac, You can tar / :p
[19:53] <dotech> haha
[19:53] <Turski> and 2 Gb ram
[19:54] <Turski> swap is never used :P
[19:54] <dotech> i doubt my swap will see much action with 8gb of ram, but you never know ;)
[19:54] <Turski> :P
[19:54] <BadRobot> i am putting more RAM on my laptop.Do i need to set up swap again?
[19:54] <Turski> why you should?
[19:54] <jbroome> yeah, newegg is having a sale so i'm going to jump to 8gb
[19:54] <bazhang> maybe when photoshop is open-sourced
[19:54] <dotech> if you dont have enough swap thats the only reason you would increase it
[19:54] <jaffarkelshac> thats a big file T1m0thy
 maybe when photoshop is open-sourced <--- lol, In my dreams.
[19:54] <TheInfinity> swap is never wrong :p
[19:54] <dotech> the ram i got was $50 for 2 2gb modules
[19:55] <Turski> :O
[19:55] <dotech> newegg
[19:55] <bazhang> wow
[19:55] <dotech> mail in rebate
[19:55] <BadRobot> Google is release Google photoshop,based on Adobe photoshop
[19:55] <Turski> my ram was about 46€ for 2x1Gb
[19:55] <jaffarkelshac> ram is getting soo cheap
[19:55] <dotech> BadRobot, nice
[19:55] <T1m0thy> Uh.. what BadRobot?
[19:55] <jaffarkelshac> is google photoshop free
[19:55] <dotech> i still use GIMP :)
[19:55] <BadRobot> it should to be ready before summer in Europe
[19:55] <T1m0thy> o.O
[19:55] <T1m0thy> link?
[19:56] <cyclonut> booogimp
[19:56] <BadRobot> while Adobe is busy with AIR for Linux
[19:56] <Turski> gimp is the best
[19:56] <T1m0thy> I can use GIMP but not as well as PS.
[19:56] <kane77> have you seen pixel? it looks kind of nice
[19:56] <Turski> i have never used photo shop :P
[19:56] <cyclonut> I am a fan of aviary
[19:56] <cyclonut> the new online offering
[19:56] <dotech> man i can't wait to get back in ubuntu
[19:56] <cyclonut> http://a.viary.com/
[19:57] <dotech> it's been a while since i had a desktop
[19:57] <Turski> hehe
[19:57] <BadRobot> yep.It's free it's the same adobe photoshop but w/o adobe's name
[19:57] <jaffarkelshac> is anyone using  seahorse
[19:57] <cyclonut> BadRobot: "same"
[19:57] <quentusrex_> Is there any way to auto tab source code?
[19:57] <dotech> vim :)
[19:57] <dotech> emacs, any decent editor
[19:57] <quentusrex_> I've been given over a thousand lines of source code that isn't tabbed properly....
[19:57] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: if you put it into pastie itll usually do it, otherwise there is a gedit plugin that can do it too
[19:57] <quentusrex_> what is the gedit plugin?
[19:58] <kane77> quentusrex_, what is the language?
[19:58] <quentusrex_> html and css
[19:58] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: its called like autoindent or some such thing
[19:58] <cyclonut> quentusrex_: I believe bluefish has autotabbing too
[19:58] <kane77> there is package called hindent
[19:59] <kane77> quentusrex_, ^^
[19:59] <dotech> in vim i just select all the text in visual mode and press "=="
[19:59] <dotech> that does it
[19:59] <Pici> Theres sed...
[19:59] <dotech> there's a million ways to do it hehe
[19:59] <quentusrex_> :)
[19:59] <kane77> there's xmoto
[19:59] <Pici> s/    /\t/g
[19:59] <quentusrex_> is bluefish a good programming ide?
[20:00] <StereoSkit> hi all, i just dist-upgraded hardy today and when asked for a boot i did it, now the system wont load, it halts at the busybox !!!!, any workaround for this ?
[20:01] <kane77> but anyways I'm glad I am running ubuntu.. I started installing gnome two days ago on gentoo and it's still crunching sources :/
[20:01] <jaffarkelshac> my updates just installed, will be restarting, i hope it does not screw up
[20:01] <quentusrex_> can gedit corrent bad indentions?
[20:02] <quentusrex_> I need something that will corrently indent the code that is already there...
[20:02] <joebob777as7> quentusrex_ kate
[20:03] <quentusrex_> kate isn't in the ubuntu repositories... none of them...
[20:04] <joebob777as7> quentusrex_ I just did a apt-cache search: kate - advanced text editor for KDE
[20:05] <prana> quentusrex_: apt-get install tidy
[20:06] <BadRobot> does someone knows how can i update some .deb files to getdeb.net?
[20:06] <prana> quentusrex_: and possibly csstidy
[20:06] <BadRobot> sorry i mean upload
[20:07] <BadRobot> I am waiting for Koffice 2 ,quentusrex
[20:07] <BadRobot> has some tried it?
[20:10] <jaffarkelshac> i just updated, it did not mess with anything, everything is fine
[20:10] <digin4> will there be another beta before the final?
[20:10] <jaffarkelshac> not likely
[20:10] <Pici> There is an RC
[20:13] <orvokki> Hmm. My modutils has nvidia-kernel-nkc with content "alias char-major-195 nvidia". Should it be that way for nvidia-glx-new?
[20:14] <w0nder> thoreauputic: i couldn't seem to get ALSA working i don't think.. someone was helping me yesterday and they walked me through this
[20:14] <w0nder> (sorry, i had to step away)
[20:15] <prana> what to install to play the .swf files generated by ooimpress swf export?
[20:16] <mohamed> is there good way to separate partation e.g /home /usr ..etc, if this some partation r grow with time then how one manage this ?
[20:16] <joebob777as7> prana windows xp :P
[20:17] <prana> joebob777as7: ...thanks :p. trying to embed some animations in latex-generated pdf.
[20:17] <KRF> mohamed, dont separate /usr...
[20:18] <choro> anyone got netatalk to work with ssl? It doesn't seem to be possible :(
[20:18] <prana> mohamed: just use a 10 GB / partition and the rest for /home.
[20:18] <mohamed> thx KRF prana
[20:18] <TCMC2010> I just install linux-xen, and I got the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-14-xen but update-grub don't see it !
[20:19] <TCMC2010> I'm using Hardy server
[20:20] <co0lingFir3> hi folks! does anyone know if firefox 3 beta 5 is gonna make into the repos?
[20:21] <jbroome> soonish
[20:21] <rpedro> co0lingFir3: don't use firefox, it is too slow....
[20:21] <co0lingFir3> jbroome: soonish next day or soonish next week?
[20:22] <co0lingFir3> rpedro: what would u propose using instead?
[20:22] <rpedro> co0lingFir3: apt-get install link2 , then links2 -g
[20:22] <rpedro> apt-get install links2* :P
[20:23] <PaulM> meh. my wireless just stopped working all of a sudden for no apparent reason, and doesn't seem to work after I reboot. didn't do ANYTHING other than put the machine in suspent. anyone have any ideas?
[20:23] <TCMC2010> uuurrrgh... links2 !!  for god's sake
[20:23] <TCMC2010> try Opera
[20:23] <TCMC2010> :)
[20:24] <co0lingFir3> rpedro: wow that browser looks horrible
[20:24] <rpedro> nah
[20:24] <prometheus> <3 links
[20:24] <co0lingFir3> so is there any ETA for new firefox beta to be in repos?
[20:25] <prometheus> if you are impatient just install it through them
[20:26] <TCMC2010> yeah...  stable version of firefox comes in July...
[20:26] <PaulM> woo
[20:26] <PaulM> looking forward to that
[20:26] <TCMC2010> so.. can anyone help me?! I just install linux-xen, and I got the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-14-xen but update-grub don't see it !
[20:27] <TCMC2010> I'm using Hardy server
[20:27] <TCMC2010> 64bits
[20:31] <jmehdi> I'd like to know which version of Firefox will be included in hardy release... a beta version?
[20:32] <prometheus> a beta or an rc
[20:32] <orvokki> TCMC2010: Eh, sounds like time to drop back to Firefox 2 for ubuntu-desktop then.
[20:32] <prometheus> no final releases
[20:32] <orvokki> Since Firefox 3 final can't make it for Hardy.
[20:32] <BadRobot> FF3 Beta 5 was just released
[20:33] <BadRobot> they will release the RC soon
[20:33] <TCMC2010> i don't think so orvokki, Firefox 3 beta it's pretty stable to me...
[20:33] <prometheus> firefox 3 will be released in mid to late june (what is on their website)
[20:33] <TCMC2010> Gmail still Beta!
[20:33] <TCMC2010> :)
[20:33] <orvokki> TCMC2010: "Pretty stable" isn't enough. Hardy is LTS.
[20:33] <BadRobot> Orvokki r u a Finn?
[20:33] <jmehdi> not shipping a final version is quite strange for an LTS...
[20:34] <jmehdi> orvokki, same ;)
[20:34] <prometheus> they are doing alot of wierd things for this lts
[20:34] <Melch> can someone help me iwth the upgrade please
[20:34] <TCMC2010> orvokki, you right! Maybe is a good idea change to Firefox2 since 8.04 is LTS!
[20:34] <prometheus> keep ff3 in the repos though
[20:34] <orvokki> !info firefox-2
[20:34] <ubotu> Package firefox-2 does not exist in hardy
[20:35] <BadRobot> I think there is no meaning to keep FF2 to for a LTS release
[20:35] <orvokki> Hmm.