[12:28] <leth_> I can't type the pipe character over vnc, anyone got any ideas?
[12:28] <leth_> It's not a client issue as far as i can tell
[12:30] <basvg> wow... all packages installed... 's cleaning up now. Impressive (so far)
[12:30] <|NewUser|> basvg: same here :)
[12:31] <frank23> I heard the feisty RC was delayed. Is the release delayed as well?
[12:31] <Woody_> after i installed ubuntu on my computer, and when i enter xp... i cannot access (D:) the partition of ubuntu
[12:32] <Woody_> why is that?
[12:32] <basvg> frank23: on the site it still says 2 days to go
[12:32] <Woody_> (D: )
[12:32] <basvg> Woody_: windows doesn't know how to read the filesystem I think... it's the 'normal' behavior
[12:32] <frank23> Woody_: windows can't read the filesystem used by ubuntu (ext3)
[12:33] <Woody_> ah, so it can't be fixed?
[12:33] <frank23> Woody_: there is a driver you can install in windows to support ext3
[12:33] <leth_> anyone know why vnc won't let me type pipe characters and stuff?
[12:33] <basvg> wow... boot is much faster in feisty
[12:33] <frank23> Woody_: I forget what it's called. I never tried it
[12:33] <Woody_> ah okay thanks frank23
[12:33] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz all. so this is my all update and download packages there.. anyone can help ?
[12:35] <basvg> right, everything seems to work... off to bed!
[12:41] <maccam94> weird, update download's going very slowly for me...  30-50KB/s
[12:41] <mstrzele> anybody knows what's the difference in xserver-xorg-video-i180 and recently uploaded to universe xserver-xorg-video-intel?
[12:41] <maccam94> mstrzele, is there anything in the changelogs?
[12:41] <peterflute> Hello gnomefreak, did you have time to look into my problem with the nvidia drivers?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> peterflute: 7300 or 6200?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> or 6600
[12:42] <peterflute> 6600gt
[12:42] <peterflute> I think "gt" is short for "git"
[12:42] <peterflute> ...and I wondered if it might not be a motherboard issue...
[12:42] <mstrzele> maccam94: nothing. two different packages. xserver-xorg-video-intel version starts from 1:1.9.94-1ubuntu3, before that version there was nothing ;)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> peterflute: yeah i looked into it but i am hearing the new drivers 9755 should work. i have no way of testing
[12:42] <leth_> does anyone know why the vncserver can't understand the pipe character from my client?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> peterflute: 6200 and up seem to all be a beast to set up
[12:43] <peterflute> So I shoul dmaybe download them rom nvidia and try themm.
[12:43] <leth_> other things like the less that/greater than signs don't work either
[12:45] <VirhYl3> How do I get a program to start every time I reboot automatically?
[12:46] <gnomefreak> peterflute: im not real sure to be honest :(
[12:46] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[12:46] <|NewUser|> how can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?
[12:46] <peterflute> Well I appreciate your honesty.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> peterflute: maybe ask about it in #ubuntu-motu
[12:46] <peterflute> And thanks again for the help.
[12:47] <peterflute> ubuntu-motu?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> since they package the drivers they may know more
[12:47] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-motu channel
[12:47] <gnomefreak> peterflute: /j #ubuntu-motu ;)
[12:48] <peterflute> thanks.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:50] <|NewUser|> can someone plz help me out ?  iwant to take just backup 0f that folder in another place.
[01:04] <leafw> so compiz is not enabled by default, but it's "one check box away" ? Which check box? Where? Is it meant for synaptic or what ?
[01:04] <fb33> how do I renew my ip?
[01:04] <fb33> or get a local ip
[01:04] <fb33> it says I don't have one
[01:04] <leafw> is there an official list of compiz-enabled graphic cards?
[01:05] <fb33> and dhcpcd is not working
[01:05] <leafw> fb33 : ethernet cable ?  sudo ifup eth0
[01:06] <_Neil> So, as of tomorrow this channel and #ubuntu merge?
[01:06] <_Neil> or not :)
[01:06] <fb33> wireless. but I got the idea
[01:06] <apollo2011> Hi everyone
[01:06] <_Neil> hey apollo2011
[01:06] <mstrzele> leafw: System -> Preferences -> Desktop Effects to enable Compiz
[01:07] <sdfasdfawef> leafw: system ->preferences -> desktop effects
[01:07] <apollo2011> I am having trouble with the nvidia-glx driver. I have an NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200 graphics card, and X successfully loads with the nvidia-glx package (version 9631) but the colors are off. I have tried the gamma settings but I cannot get anything to repair this problem, The nv driver works fine and the nvidia-glx driver used to work fine with my card.
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> thats only basic effects though
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> if you want more, you'll have to install full compiz and extras
[01:08] <sdfasdfawef> or beryl
[01:08] <mstrzele> sdfasdfawef: if you want to configure more effects you must install gnome-compiz-manager
[01:09] <Woody_> which is better? compiz or beryl?
[01:09] <mstrzele> apollo2011: for your card you must install nvidia-glx-legacy, I guess
[01:10] <Woody_> mstrzele: what is better? compiz or beryl?
[01:11] <mstrzele> apollo2011: sorry, my mistake. for new nvidia cards is nvidia-glx-new, for yours model is nvidia-glx
[01:11] <apollo2011> All indications from nvidia say I need the 9631 driver, legacy does not give me 3D support.
[01:11] <misfit_toy> apollo nvidia-glx now supports 9631, use that
[01:11] <apollo2011> I just found this post that seems to show the same problem affecting FreeBSD and Linux users: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=84323
[01:12] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: I am on 9631 now
[01:12] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, what card?
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:12] <apollo2011> Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> so many nvidia 'issues'
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> SysInfo: Graphic: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> will mine work?
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> :x
[01:12] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, not familiar with that one
[01:12] <{uX}l`VampyrCeil> it's not like it's new or sumn
[01:13] <misfit_toy> I have 3d acceleration:
[01:13] <misfit_toy> using:
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 440 Go/AGP/SSE2
[01:13] <misfit_toy> OpenGL version string: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.31
[01:14] <misfit_toy> and that is the ubuntu nvidia-glx, not -legacy
[01:14] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: I have 3D support but I would really rather have proper colors than 3D support, right now, stuff that supposed to look blue looking yellow-green with nvidia-glx
[01:15] <misfit_toy> weird, my colors are fine here, is this an older -glx driver maybe? have you updated in a while? this one is from only a week or so ago.
[01:16] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: nope everything is updated its the 9631 driver. Nvidia .bin install gives the same problem. I had this problem on Edgy and upgrading to Feisty had no benefit
[01:16] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, never heard of a color issue, that one's new to me.
[01:18] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, laptop or desktop?
[01:18] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, what kind of monitor?
[01:19] <misfit_toy> maybe your refresh rate is wrong
[01:21] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: Dell Dimension 8200 desktop with Dell 7200FP (DVI connection) LCD Monitor
[01:22] <xtknight> 1702fp you mean perhaps?
[01:22] <xtknight> all lcds should run at 60 hz
[01:22] <BluesKaj> hey misfit_toy, I successfully put /home on it's own partition...had to use this tutorial to make the transition :  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[01:22] <apollo2011> xtknight: yes 1702fp, sorry
[01:22] <misfit_toy> apollo2011, isn't there an nvidia gamma correction util? I forget the name...
[01:22] <misfit_toy> BluesKaj, cool man, glad you got it!
[01:22] <apollo2011> misfit_toy: Yes, but it doesn't fix the problem (nvidia-settings)
[01:23] <xtknight> could be a gamma problem
[01:23] <xtknight> is gamma R=1.0, G=1.0, B=1.0?
[01:24] <apollo2011> misfit_toy, xtknight: All the gammas appear right, and Red and Green will change appearance, but moving the blue gamma does nothing
[01:24] <xtknight> apollo2011, check the cable on both ends (display card and monitor)
[01:24] <xtknight> both vga and dvi have separate pins for red/green/blue and one can get unplugged and cause discoloration
[01:24] <apollo2011> xtknight: Well if I switch to nv driver, it is fine
[01:24] <xtknight> apollo2011, well it could be a bandwidth problem, perhaps
[01:24] <xtknight> so i'd still check the cable
[01:24] <xtknight> just plug it in all the way on both sides
[01:25] <xtknight> it's hooked up via DVI or VGA right now?
[01:25] <|NewUser|> ow can i take backup of this folder ? " /var/cache/apt " i want this apt folder with all folders and files in it.. want to backup on another drive or place ? for some reason i just installed fiesty in new machine and i dont have internet there.so dont want to download or update anymore coz  i have all packages. there which one i download or update.. plz anyone can help ?
[01:26] <|NewUser|> *h
[01:26] <misfit_toy> |NewUser|, why don't you just burn it to cd with gnomebaker or something? :)
[01:27] <apollo2011> xtknight: right now its DVI, monitor end of the cable was ok, I
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: dont have writer :p
[01:27] <apollo2011> will try the card end now otherwise try VGA
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy:  i have 80gb USb so i can transfer it easily
[01:27] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: just want to backup it completly..
[01:28] <misfit_toy> "tar cvpzf backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."
[01:28] <xtknight> apollo2011, so with nvidia driver you have issues but with nv no issues?  at the desktop?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> but switch to that directory first |NewUser|
[01:29] <misfit_toy> oops
[01:29] <|NewUser|> :S
[01:29] <|NewUser|> tar ?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> "tar cvpzf /dev/whateveryourusbthingis/backup.tgz  --exclude=backup.tgz ."
[01:29] <xtknight> interesting. you need the exclude in there?
[01:29] <misfit_toy> xtknight, not since he's putting it externally, no
[01:29] <llamakc> you do if you're in that same dir
[01:29] <misfit_toy> right
[01:30] <xtknight> probably need root access too no?
[01:30] <xtknight> for /var/cache
[01:30] <misfit_toy> and |NewUser| notice that little "." at the end of that line
[01:30] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: sure let me try it.
[01:30] <misfit_toy> yes sudo would be required, I never know how much to tell someone! lol
[01:30] <xtknight> ah nm no root for Read
[01:30] <|NewUser|> l0ol
[01:31] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  now whenever i use any cmd. i used sudo first :)
[01:31] <misfit_toy> xtknight, oh, true!
[01:31] <xtknight> no dont use sudo
  <----user perms xr-xr-x
[01:31] <xtknight> so he has read access already
[01:31] <misfit_toy> righto
[01:32] <|NewUser|> misfit_toy: so this command made backup in same place ?
[01:33] <|NewUser|> with .tgz ?
[01:33] <xtknight> i dont believe you use a block device as a parameter
[01:33] <Crazytom> is fiesty still due out the 19th or is it going to be late?
[01:33] <|NewUser|> xtknight: who me ? sorry i m new with linux trying to learn
[01:34] <xtknight> |NewUser|, ya sorry i wasnt specific
[01:34] <xtknight> |NewUser|, hold on ill try and figure out the command
[01:34] <PriceChild> Crazytom, it'll be out when its ready
[01:35] <stdin> Crazytom: no delays announced tho
[01:35] <xtknight> when will it be ready? :)
[01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  sure :)
[01:35] <beg1689> is it too late to report a bug?
[01:35] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  i m waiting :)
[01:35] <xtknight> beg1689, no, please do
[01:35] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: why don't u use file-roller to backup this dir?
[01:35] <xtknight> beg1689, it can still come thru the updates if it doesn't make the Feisty release
[01:35] <jbruckman> hey everyone, i'm having some problems with Nvidia drivers in feisty. anyone know how to get them installed without breaking the monitor settings?
[01:35] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: and save archive on e.g. desktop and drag&drop it to the usb disk
[01:35] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  thats dir owned by root And.. i think dir is in use
[01:36] <beg1689> searching launchpad first :)
[01:36] <xtknight> you can do create archive
[01:36] <xtknight> i just hate it that it has no progress bar
[01:36] <xtknight> but maybe you don't care
[01:36] <xtknight> |NewUser|, type "file-roller"
[01:36] <xtknight> actually maybe file roller has progress.  nautilus script doesn't but we wont use that
[01:36] <beg1689> wow i never noticed bug number 1
[01:36] <|NewUser|> okies its open
[01:36] <xtknight> |NewUser|, new archive
[01:37] <BluesKaj> |NewUser|, sudo gedit /var/cache/apt
[01:37] <xtknight> |NewUser|, save it on you desktop somewhere
[01:37] <xtknight> gedit?
[01:37] <xtknight> perhaps gksu nautilus
[01:37] <xtknight> though i think file roller is a better idea
[01:37] <beg1689> will i ever see the day where i can walk into compusa and see a desktop running ubuntu?
[01:37] <|NewUser|> BluesKaj: in that dir there is alot files and more dir.
[01:37] <xtknight> beg1689, not unless you put in a livecd on one of their computers :P
[01:37] <BluesKaj> oops yeah, i keep forgeting to substitute ...
[01:38] <xtknight> |NewUser|, got the new archive  made?
[01:38] <xtknight> do Tar compressed with Bzip2
[01:38] <|NewUser|> xtknight:  hold on .. closing all crap.
[01:38] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> archvies -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution
[01:39] <xtknight> yeah youd have to do "gksu nautilus" for the above
[01:39] <beg1689> ok maybe this is more of a request than a bug: there is no easy way to switch between dhcp and static ip (in this case im referring to wired network)
[01:39] <mstrzele> xtknight: i've just packed all ../archives without having root rights
[01:39] <beg1689> if im using static, i have to manually switch to dhcp, and when i want to switch back i need to reenter IP, gateway, subnet
[01:40] <xtknight> mstrzele, i thought create archive only let you create an archive in the current dir (thus requiring root)?
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> whootz
[01:40] <xtknight> ah k never mind
[01:40] <mstrzele> xtknight: with "Make archive" dialog you can choose path to save archive
[01:40] <xtknight> |NewUser|, ignore what i said earlier
[01:40] <beg1689> also network manager tries to connect to wireless networks when wired network is set manually
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> so hows wireless networking?
[01:40] <xtknight> |NewUser|, dont bother with file roller right now
[01:40] <The_Jack_of_Club> mm
[01:40] <beg1689> works great
[01:40] <beg1689> wireless networking works BETTER than wired
[01:41] <xtknight> doubt that
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> :)
[01:41] <mstrzele> xtknight: and it have progress bar ;]
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> wpa2 doesnt freak anymore does it?
[01:41] <xtknight> mstrzele, doesnt for me sometimes.  just a bouncing bar
[01:41] <xtknight> dunno
[01:41] <|NewUser|> xtknight: its start :S
[01:41] <The_Jack_of_Club> also is wireless n supported?
[01:41] <xtknight> |NewUser|, type "gksu nautilus"
[01:41] <beg1689> right now im connected using wired network, but nm-applet shows an empty signal, it wants a wireless network
[01:41] <xtknight> er
[01:41] <beg1689> becuase im set to static
[01:41] <xtknight> never mind dont need that
[01:41] <|NewUser|> so cancel it ?
[01:41] <xtknight> |NewUser|, just follow mstrzele 's instructions
[01:42] <|NewUser|> okie
[01:42] <VirhYl3> What has crashed and how do I fix it when I have No panels in gnome?
[01:42] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Places -> Computer -> Filesystem -> var -> cache -> apt -> right click on 'archives', next "Make archive" and save it to a desktop e.g., is the easiest solution
[01:42] <The_Jack_of_Club> wireless n anybody? i know its new but macs have it... and that vista thingy i think :P
[01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: are u sure the backup willbe same as the previous condition ?
[01:43] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes
[01:43] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :)
[01:44] <VirhYl3> And how do I open the panels back up, so I can try a reboot?
[01:44] <|NewUser|> have to reboot system.. my updates are finished :)
[01:44] <|NewUser|> brb
[01:44] <llamakc> i gotta get away from my ati card. looking for something by nvidia under $100. no big gaming card needed. suggestions?
[01:46] <xtknight> lol gonna try unreal tournament at 2960x2074
[01:48] <Tm_T> Laney: hi mother
[01:48] <Laney> Hello... son?
[01:49] <spike> hi there
[01:49] <Tm_T> spike: you seems to have bad user info
[01:49] <spike> can anybody help me out with raid and udev? I'm having a serious nightmare with it
[01:49] <VirhYl3> How can I reboot without any reboot button?
[01:49] <spike> or more precisely, a problem with initrd
[01:49] <lupine_85> "reboot" in terminal
[01:49] <VirhYl3> thnx.
[01:50] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: go to termial and press CTRL+ALT+DEL
[01:50] <spike> the new image as created with update-initramfs wont boot, just give me errors that /dev/md/0 is busy
[01:50] <Tm_T> Laney: your realname ;)
[01:50] <VirhYl3> what program is terminal in /usr?
[01:50] <Tm_T> VirhYl3: err?
[01:50] <VirhYl3> or you mean ctrl+alt+f1
[01:50] <VirhYl3> ?
[01:50] <Laney> Tm_T: Oh haha, I forgot about that!
[01:50] <spike> anybody?
[01:51] <mstrzele> VirhYl3: first press CTRL+ALT+F1 to go to the termianl and then press CTRL+ALT+DEL
[01:51] <VirhYl3> Tm_T: I have a desktop, beryl, avant window navigator, and no other menus anywhwere.
[01:51] <The_Jack_of_Club> unmount
[01:51] <VirhYl3> mstrzele: Ok, will try that.
[01:51] <xtknight> how do you disable an audio device?
[01:51] <VirhYl3> brb?
[01:51] <xtknight> i want to disable my onboard completely (could do it from the bios but not convenient atm)
[01:52] <sdfasdfawef> with vmware workstation 6 my usb devices arent picked up by my win xp guest os in feisty.... anyone else have this problem?
[01:52] <sdfasdfawef> fiesty picks them up fine, but doesnt pass them on to the virtual machine
[01:53] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:53] <gan|y|med> why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???
[01:54] <misfit_toy> gan|y|med, if no one here knows you might try in #ubuntu-effects
[01:54] <gan|y|med> thx. what's this?
[01:54] <beg1689> llamakc: you can get a gf7600 if you look hard enough for under $100
[01:54] <gan|y|med> channel for strange effects?
[01:54] <beg1689> 7600gs
[01:54] <llamakc> thanks beg1689. will do
[01:55] <beg1689> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122007
[01:55] <xtknight> how do i find out what program is using a module?  i'm trying to unload one
[01:55] <beg1689> that one will be a bit more than $100 because of shipping
[01:55] <beg1689> i have a go 7600 which is probably the slowest version of it, but it runs awesome
[01:56] <beg1689> half life 2 (wine) ut2004, warcraft 3 (obviously), quake 4 all good
[01:56] <beg1689> wow and one of the reviews is from an ubuntu user
[01:56] <Shaddox> i have an ATI Radeon xpress 200M
[01:56] <xtknight> ut2004 runs awesome on a 7800gt here with ubuntu
[01:56] <Shaddox> Which sucks majorly
[01:56] <llamakc> thanks ya'll
[01:57] <xtknight> anyway to map an alsa device to hw0:0 from hw1:0?
[01:57] <|NewUser|> heheh
[01:57] <gan|y|med> come on guys
[01:57] <gan|y|med> nobody has ever had the fglrx issue, nobody uses the ati drivers?
[01:57] <sdfasdfawef> anyone using vmware 6 beta on feisty?
[01:57] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: as i said .. it gave me error in return about permission :)
[01:58] <llamakc> gan|y|med: I'm unable to use them.
[01:58] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: while extracting to new machine?
[01:58] <beg1689> vmware server? i hae player 1.0.2
[01:58] <llamakc> which is why i'm giving up on ati once and for all. i cant' get 2.6.20-15 to even boot beyond HAL
[01:58] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: no while compressing it
[01:58] <gan|y|med> llamakc: why that?
[01:58] <beg1689> my experience with ati is very nice
[01:59] <llamakc> with feisty?
[01:59] <beg1689> becuase all my ati cards are 200 series, out-of-the-box compiz
[01:59] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: error about 'lock' file?
[01:59] <beg1689> yes
[01:59] <Shaddox> Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?
[01:59] <llamakc> my radeon x300 is driving me batty
[01:59] <gan|y|med> the precompiled in feisty work perfectly well, couldn't get the ati ones to compile (kernel and xorg problems)
[01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: An error occurred while adding files to the archive. "tar: apt/apt/archives/lock: Cannot open: Permission Denied
[01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: apt/archives/lock: Cannot Open: Permission denied
[01:59] <|NewUser|> tar: Error exit delayed from previous error
[01:59] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: yea
[01:59] <Shaddox> |NewUser|: Try doing 'sudo <command>'
[02:00] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: do usb devices work with it?
[02:00] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: this file is used to lock archives while you're using synaptics, U can skip this file
[02:00] <gan|y|med> as i said, precompiled drivers work, just that fglrx,ko gets deleted everytime the system is restarted
[02:00] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: you don't need to compress it while you gonna transfer only archives to new ubuntu installation
[02:00] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  i want that whole folder :<
[02:01] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: then how can i deselect it ?
[02:01] <psusi> I just noticed that the amd64 livecd does not have gparted installed, but the i386 one does.. is this normal?
[02:01] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: all files from /archive/ dir is in the .tar.gz, only 'lock' file wasn't compressed
[02:01] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: you don't need to deselect it
[02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: really ?
[02:02] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i got all files in .tar.gz ? except lock ?
[02:02] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes
[02:02] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: try open archive from desktop and look at contents
[02:03] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie then its fine :) sure let me open it .
[02:05] <xtknight> Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET
[02:05] <xtknight> psusi, i dont think that should be the case
[02:06] <psusi> ok... I'll file a bug report then
[02:06] <xtknight> i'd recommend doing that
[02:06] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie thanks ya its fine :) except lock . there is all files.
[02:06] <|NewUser|> damn i have 500+ mb apt cache :S
[02:06] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: no problem :)
[02:06] <|NewUser|> now i m gonna clean my cache first :)
[02:07] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: do usb devices work with the version of vmware player you have installed
[02:08] <Shaddox> Hey everyone. How do I get the sound working in Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, which is on the Quake III engine?
[02:08] <xtknight> Shaddox, there's some helpful stuff on the forums about ET
[02:08] <|NewUser|> well i m trying to do " sudo apt-get install && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " in result its showing " 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 to upgraded. This mean i dont need any update now ?
[02:08] <Shaddox> xtknight: I forget the site's name. what is it again?
[02:08] <xtknight> www.ubuntuforums.org
[02:10] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: never tried, want me to test one?
[02:10] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: yes, you have system up-to-date
[02:11] <|NewUser|> well i did " sudo apt-get clean " && " sudo apt-get autoclean " but still all the packages in that /var/cache/apt/apt/archives
[02:11] <jbruckman> i am having some problems install the proprietary nvidia drivers on my feisty distro. WHen I install the glx driver, i can no longer adjust the monitor resolution
[02:12] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: if you want to check is your system updated type in termial: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' only
[02:12] <|NewUser|> umm sorry but size is compress now size is just 53mb :S
[02:12] <NickGarvey> RC-1 is out?
[02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele:  okie
[02:12] <Shaddox> xtknight: Wow, i think i found what I'm lookin' for, ^^
[02:12] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: thanks for help :)
[02:13] <|NewUser|> now going to play with beryl :>
[02:13] <Shaddox> xtknight: Problem, though.
[02:13] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: would be great if you could
[02:13] <gan|y|med> why does fglrx.ko get deleted every time the system is restarted???
[02:13] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: good luck ']
[02:13] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: good luck ;]
[02:13] <Shaddox> xtknight: It says to input: < echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > into my console., but when I do it, even with a sudo, it says permission denied.
[02:14] <|NewUser|> duh.. can i one more thing.. in the right top corner there is icon of network.. it just like a pause picture :p not blinks
[02:14] <xtknight> Shaddox, ah k
[02:14] <xtknight> Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:14] <xtknight> try that instead
[02:14] <xtknight> sudos the whole thing
[02:15] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: Network Manager icon, I guess. that icon isn't blink on eth activity, it's normal behaviour
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: archon@Shaddox:~$ sudo sh -c "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Password:
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: et.x86
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Is that what it's supposed to say?
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: okie :)
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, hm
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: again alot thanks.
[02:15] <Shaddox> xtknight: Let me test. ^^
[02:15] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: if you want a blinking icon install gnome-netstatus-applet
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, no
[02:15] <Shaddox> Uh, okay...
[02:15] <xtknight> Shaddox, sudo sh -c "echo \"et.x86 0 0 direct\" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:15] <xtknight> try that instead
[02:15] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sure ty
[02:16] <xtknight> its' not supposed to print anytihng
[02:16] <Shaddox> xtknight: It didn't print anything this time.
[02:17] <xtknight> Shaddox,  k type "cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss"
[02:17] <xtknight> does that print anything?
[02:17] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: i try to install it but it says gnome-status-applet is already the newest version.
[02:17] <Shaddox> xtknight: With a sudo?
[02:17] <xtknight> Shaddox, nah
[02:17] <Shaddox> xtknight: It prints: et.x86 0 0 direct
[02:17] <xtknight> k it worked
[02:17] <Shaddox> Kay, testing.
[02:17] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: gnome-*status*-applet? not gnome-*netstatus*-applet?
[02:18] <Shaddox> xtknight: Sound's still borked.
[02:18] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: sorry ya it is gnome-netstatus-applet
[02:18] <xtknight> Shaddox, i'm not sure as ET worked first try for me
[02:18] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: so is it installed or not? :)
[02:19] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: is it installed but the light not blinks there :S
[02:19] <mstrzele> |NewUser|: right click on top panel, 'Add applet to panel' and select 'Network monitor'
[02:21] <|NewUser|> mstrzele: ya now it is look like what i want :) thanks ...
[02:21] <|NewUser|> is opera launch for fiesty ?
[02:22] <apollo2011> hello again misfit_toy xtknight
[02:22] <xtknight> apollo2011, hey
[02:22] <xtknight> were you the one with dell 1702fp problems?
[02:23] <apollo2011> xtknight: The DVI cable was connected ok, I tried the VGA and it was ok until the Kubuntu boot screen disappeared and I was expecting to see the login screen, but it was just blank
[02:23] <apollo2011> yes I was
[02:25] <apollo2011> One thing I noticed was that in the KDE System Settings for Monitor, everytime I loaded X with the nvidia-glx driver, it showed a different refresh rate, usually 53 or 57, but never 60. I couldn't get it to go to 60. Now I am back with the nv driver, and it shows 60Hz.
[02:26] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: sorry i was busy
[02:26] <beg1689> booting up wmware now
[02:26] <apollo2011> I think this is just a bug with the nvidia driver that will have to be resolved by nvida, or by me buying a new graphics card...
[02:26] <Crazytom> !sound
[02:26] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:28] <sdfasdfawef> beg1689: great thanks
[02:28] <jbruckman> can someone please help me? I'd like some information on the nvidia drivers in feisty...
[02:28] <Shaddox> xtknight: My sound's still not there. :x
[02:29] <maccam94> anyone know what the deal is with large amounts of memory in kernel 2.6 atm? i've got 2GB of ram, plus a big swap partition (for the hell of it), but I was just reading some articles talking about how the 2.4 kernel could only address 1GB of ram....
[02:29] <xtknight> apollo2011, hmm im not sure
[02:29] <xtknight> maccam94, the 2.4 kernel?
[02:29] <xtknight> without a special config option yes but i dont think ubuntu in any way could ever work with a 2.4 kernel..?
[02:30] <xtknight> Shaddox, sorry i dont know how to fix it
[02:31] <maccam94> xtknight, no I am using the normal 2.6 kernel (I don't want 2.4). I was just reading that in kernel 2.4 there were issues with over 1GB of physical ram without a patch called "highmem", and I was wondering what the status of the issue is in 2.6
[02:31] <xtknight> maccam94, nope 2.6 is just fine
[02:32] <xtknight> maccam94, it can use 4 G of VRAM (-hardware addresses).  there is PAE support that can enable addressing up to 2^48 i believe
[02:32] <xtknight> a kernel in 64bit mode can address 2^48 also (48-bit not 64-bit memory on 64bit CPUs AFAIK)
[02:32] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: my usb disk is working
[02:33] <beg1689> seems fine
[02:33] <maccam94> xtknight, k, that's what I thought, just there were lots of conflicting google results ;-P
[02:34] <beg1689> sdfasdfawef: it detected the usb disk but then i got an error, probably doesnt have proper permissions
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> hmm
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> ok thanks
[02:36] <beg1689> recognizes my bluetooth adaptor too
[02:36] <beg1689> is it recognizing your devices jusnot being able to access them?
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> mine are all getting picked up by ubuntu, but not by the quest xp isntall
[02:36] <sdfasdfawef> :/
[02:36] <beg1689> ok
[02:37] <beg1689> are the usb lines enabled in the .vmx?
[02:37] <beg1689> usb.present = "TRUE"  &&  usb.generic.autoconnect = "TRUE"
[02:37] <sdfasdfawef> ill check that..
[02:37] <sdfasdfawef> from the gui it shows that its enabled and present, but i havent looked at the config file
[02:38] <beg1689> well i use player, not workstation
[02:38] <beg1689> for me it shows devices at the top, and i can toggle them on and off
[02:38] <beg1689> CD-ROM, Ethernet, Sound, then all usb devices
[02:38] <Eleaf> Does anybody here know much about pulseaudio?
[02:38] <Eleaf> I'm running it, but I seem to get a small amount of latency that wasn't there with just alsa.
[02:41] <sdfasdfawef> hmm..
[02:42] <sdfasdfawef> i see that first line but not the second line
[02:42] <sdfasdfawef> ill try adding that one
[02:44] <Gat0rvean> is the only difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu the Gnome to KDE desktop envoronments?
[02:45] <mphill> Gat0rvean, not in my opinion
[02:45] <Eleaf> yes Gat0rvean
[02:45] <Gat0rvean> mphill, could you elaborate a bit?
[02:46] <mphill> Kubuntu comes with more bloat, it has Konquor instead of Firefox, Kopete instead of Gaim, just different apps mostly...
[02:47] <|NewUser|> BRB
[02:47] <mphill> Personally I like to install ubuntu then get kde core, seems much more stable.... imho
[02:47] <BluesKaj> <---prefers KDE ...old windows guys usually do
[02:48] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: stop cursing
[02:48] <mphill> BluesKaj makes a good point, most Windows user like KDE more, and Mac users tend to like Gnome...
[02:48] <BluesKaj> I said old ...as in the past :)
[02:48] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: no, next word was the illegal one
[02:49] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:49] <BluesKaj> well learned about pcs on windows first , then saw the light
[02:49] <instabin> how do i rename a link
[02:50] <instabin> in the command prompt
[02:50] <instabin> or just redirect a link
[02:50] <beg1689> !ln
[02:50] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:50] <beg1689> aww
[02:51] <beg1689> !man
[02:51] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:51] <beg1689> mv filename newfilename
[02:51] <MrFeetio> !kvm
[02:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:51] <beg1689> ln -s filepointedto filepointedby
[02:52] <MrFeetio> !qemu
[02:52] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[02:52] <mstrzele> !xen
[02:52] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[02:58] <Shaddox> Uh, question.
[02:59] <Shaddox> I installed ubuntu-desktop on my server machine. How can I bring up the ubuntu desktop interface on this laptop?
[03:00] <noname`> If I run update-manager through terminal and press 'check' I get the output: current dist not found in meta-release file
[03:00] <noname`> Is that normal, or a problem?
[03:01] <dfawerefaef> figured it out
[03:02] <dfawerefaef> had to run sudo mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb
[03:03] <mphill> Shaddox, enable remote desktop
[03:03] <mphill> then on the laptop from session, change it to remote
[03:03] <Shaddox> mphill: Uh, can you explain how? I haven't done this before. ^^
[03:06] <mphill> on the server click system -> preferences -> remote desktop
[03:06] <Shaddox> mphil: Give me a few, I'll need to learn how to configure it and all that, but I'm in the middle of dishes. Are you going to be here in about 15-30 minutes?
[03:07] <mphill> probably not bro
[03:07] <Shaddox> Ah, crap, then let me go turn my server monitor on.
[03:08] <Shaddox> Also, how do I configure it so GDM does NOT start on startup?
[03:08] <xtknight> does ubuntu have the JACK audio plugin?  in repos or enabled by default ? any guides on using it?
[03:09] <RAOF> xtknight: AFAIK, the jack server *is* in the repos, and if you're interested in it you probably want to check out the ubuntu-studio metapackage
[03:10] <xtknight> RAOF, ah just trying to get the most out of my audigy2(emu10k2).  asio, 24/192 etc
[03:10] <mphill> Shaddox, you can remove GDM maybe rename it in init.d
[03:10] <RAOF> xtknight: pulseaudio?  Nice & in main :)
[03:11] <xtknight> RAOF, ah looks sweet.  thanks
[03:11] <RAOF> xtknight: Also, unless you're trying to do professional-type recording, I don't think jack will get anything more out of your audigy than ALSA
[03:11] <xtknight> nah
[03:11] <instabin> I fixed my glx now im getting a differnet error when x is starting. The nvidia kernel module has version 1.0.9755 but the x module has version 1.0.9631
[03:11] <xtknight> not professional.  probably not even recording (well maybe from waveout).  i just wanna mess with the output sample rates/ etc
[03:11] <xtknight> enthusiast i guess
[03:12] <RAOF> xtknight: ALSA allows that.
[03:12] <instabin> how do i change my kernel module to the verison installed with the synaptic
[03:12] <RAOF> instabin: Have you tried installing your nvidia driver manually at any point?
[03:12] <instabin> it was when i had 6.10
[03:12] <xtknight> RAOF, unfortunately i have no idea how.  docs are very sparse
[03:12] <instabin> but then i up graded to 7.04
[03:13] <RAOF> instabin: Upgrade, not clean install?
[03:13] <xtknight> RAOF,  i'm trying to get it to sound as good as the kX drivers on my windows.  i thought perhaps it was because of the 24-bit 192khz (to my knowldge) i have enabled in windows
[03:13] <instabin> RAOF: Upgrade
[03:14] <instabin> RAOF: update-manager -d
[03:14] <Eleaf> why is there no autopackage in feisty?
[03:14] <RAOF> xtknight: But all your CDs/MP3s/whatever will be 16bit @ 44KHz, right?  Upsampling from there 'aint gonna make anything sound better :)
[03:14] <Eleaf> I can't find any autopackage tools in the repos
[03:14] <RAOF> Eleaf: Because it's broken
[03:15] <Eleaf> It's needed to run this game I want to try ;)
[03:15] <xtknight> RAOF, heh i wonder what it could be then
[03:15] <instabin> Where are the kernel modules at its probably just a messed up symbolic link
[03:15] <RAOF> instabin: Pastebin your /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common file.
[03:15] <xtknight> RAOF, is there some type of HW equalizer for the audigy2?  i do know kX has that, yet i do not see one for ALSA
[03:15] <instabin> RAOF: its on the other computer its a command prompt right now
[03:15] <instabin> no X
[03:16] <RAOF> instabin: Well, then tell me what the DISABLED_MODULES line has in it.
[03:16] <instabin> ok
[03:16] <RAOF> Eleaf: Sorry, I replaced "autopackage" with "checkinstall".  What's autopackage meant to be?
[03:16] <Eleaf> checkinstall doesn't work???
[03:16] <instabin> RAOF: just NV
[03:17] <RAOF> instabin: That's your problem :)
[03:17] <Eleaf> RAOF, it's what lots of projects use to run programs.
[03:17] <instabin> ?
[03:17] <misfit_toy> Eleaf, but you can skip checkinstall most times.
[03:17] <Eleaf> kinda like a binary that works with all distributions.. I don't know
[03:17] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, I alsmost always use checkinstall.
[03:17] <misfit_toy> up to you
[03:17] <instabin> RAOF: im trying to install the restricted drivers
[03:17] <Eleaf> I hate installing source packages without making a deb.
[03:17] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, why would it not work?
[03:18] <xtknight> checkinstall doesnt always track everything correctly
[03:18] <RAOF> instabin: Remove that "nv".  Your l-r-m-c file should have DISABLED_MODULES="" at the bottom of it.
[03:18] <RAOF> Eleaf: Oh, *autopackage*.  That shouldn't be in the repos because it doesn't have to be.
[03:18] <RAOF> Eleaf: The *whole point* of autopackage is that you don't use the package manager.
[03:19] <Eleaf> RAOF, isn't there a way to uninstall things when you run an autopackage program?
[03:19] <misfit_toy> Eleaf make -uninstall
[03:19] <instabin> RAOF: its rebooting now
[03:19] <Eleaf> whenever I'm running this .package program, it says it needs to download autopackage.tar.gz
[03:19] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, I don't always keep the same source dir.
[03:19] <Eleaf> that's a horrible method.
[03:19] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yes, which is what it's supposed to do.
[03:19] <Eleaf> oh okay RAOF
[03:20] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, often times, programs don't include uninstall makefiles.
[03:20] <Eleaf> RAOF, how do I uninstall the package?
[03:20] <misfit_toy> Eleaf, I guess you install more things than I do.
[03:21] <Eleaf> misfit_toy, it's bad, because it won't update as things in the repos change, or as dependencies change, etc.
[03:21] <snowpunk98> I need to make a file not writable how should I chmod it?
[03:21] <instabin> RAOF: Now i have same error but different version number
[03:21] <RAOF> Eleaf: I don't know.  I don't use autopackages.
[03:21] <Eleaf> lol
[03:22] <RAOF> instabin: Ok.  install the "linux-generic" and "nvidia-glx-new" packages.    That's cool.
[03:22] <Eleaf> and if it was root, would probably put stuff all in /usr, /etc, etc.
[03:22] <instabin> where are the modules at
[03:22] <Eleaf> There has to be a way to uninstall all that, if autopackage is to be worth anything.
[03:23] <instabin> well stored at ?
[03:23] <RAOF> Eleaf: Yes, probably.  Autopackage is kinda broken by design, though.  It's got an uninstall as far as I know.
[03:23] <cabajgtr_> Does anyone know if Nvidia-glx-legacy supports TV out?
[03:23] <Eleaf> google search says there is an autopackage command...
[03:23] <Eleaf> but ubuntu doesn't have it.
[03:23] <RAOF> cabajgtr: I believe so.
[03:23] <Eleaf> oh now it does.
[03:23] <RAOF> Eleaf: After you've installed an autopackage, it installs the autopackage stuff.
[03:24] <Eleaf> I'm guessing just for my user?
[03:24] <Eleaf> yep
[03:25] <RAOF> instabin: What was the actual error message again?  Also, are you *sure* that the nvidia-glx-new package is installed?
[03:26] <instabin> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9631
[03:27] <misfit_toy> instabin, I kept having that and had to remove nvidia* just to get things clean.
[03:27] <misfit_toy> after an upgrade from edgy to feisty
[03:28] <RAOF> instabin: You don't have the nvidia-glx-new package installed.
[03:28] <RAOF> instabin: As misfit_toy says, try removing all the nvidia* packages, try an uninstall of the nvidia.com drivers you're previously installed, *then* install the nvidia-glx-new package.
[03:29] <patrick_> Hi guys I just fresh installed ubuntu edgy amd64 and I want to perform an upgrade to feisty.... how must this be done
[03:29] <RAOF> !upgrade | patrick_
[03:29] <ubotu> patrick_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[03:30] <RAOF> instabin: Incidentally, you're problems here are why it is *strongly* adviced to just use the nvidia-glx packaged drivers :)
[03:30] <misfit_toy> instabin, and if that doesn't take, you might also even remove the latest kernel and LRM, boot back to a previous kernel and reinstall the newer kernel again...I swear I fought it for a week, but his is an old old nvidia card and the driver changed right in the middle of all my troubles, LOL
[03:31] <EdsipeR> is there any changes between 7.04-server beta and 7.04-server official ?
[03:31] <NickGarvey> EdsipeR: I sure hope so
[03:31] <misfit_toy> heh
[03:31] <NickGarvey> EdsipeR: unless the beta was perfect, which it wasn't
[03:31] <EdsipeR> NickGarvey, where can I get the changelog ?
[03:31] <NickGarvey> phew, said that right before beta came in! wouldn't want to hurt its feelings
[03:31] <Fylk> hey, guys, can any one help me install this: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/
[03:31] <instabin> misfit_toy: removing the kernel modules manualy and then going to reinstall the linux-restricted-modules
[03:31] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a "NEw login in a nested window" Like I could in GNOME on FreeBSD?
[03:32] <instabin> shit how do uninstall a package from the console
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> instabin, no cursing.... sudo apt-get remove package
[03:32] <misfit_toy> instabin, sudo apt-get remove packagename
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> +p
[03:33] <cabajgtr_> Ok, I am totally stuck with with X on my Nvidia GeForce2 Go!.  I've tried every nvidia package and tried to use the nvidia installer for 8776, and nothing works.
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> nvidia-glx does not work?
[03:34] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: :(  THe nvidia.com installer is never the solution :(.  The nvidia-glx package should work for your card.
[03:34] <cabajgtr_> All i'm getting right now with legacy is "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[03:34] <instabin> sry and thanks
[03:34] <cabajgtr_> I know, I had the nvidia-glx workin on edgy last week
[03:34] <misfit_toy> caba, "uname -r" in a term please
[03:35] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Do you have the appropriate "linux-restricted-modules" package installed?
[03:35] <Fylk> How do I get premission to get into my /usr/share/pixmaps directory?
[03:35] <cabajgtr_> 2.6.20-15-386
[03:35] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Or, even better, just install the "linux-generic" package, which will automatically install the right l-r-m
[03:35] <misfit_toy> cabajgtr, do what RAOF says
[03:36] <Fylk> Hey guys, why won't it let me write to /usr/share/pixmaps?
[03:36] <RAOF> Fylk: Becuase you're not root.  Why do you want to write to /usr/share/pixmaps?
[03:36] <Fylk> Just some new icons. And how do I get root?
[03:37] <Fylk> I am the only user on this install.
[03:37] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login window in a nested window on my laptop?
[03:37] <RAOF> Fylk: Prepend "sudo" to the command you're trying.  Also, where are the icons from?  Are you sure they're not already packaged, for example?
[03:38] <cabajgtr_> Shaddox do you mean in a terminal?
[03:38] <Fylk> ROAF, here's a link: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29142704/
[03:38] <Fylk> *RAOF
[03:40] <Shaddox> cabajgtr_: No, back when I was on FreeBSD, and logged into GNOME 2.18, there was a option in the Applications area that said "New login in a nested window..." And a new x window would pop up  on my existing desktop and I could log in as a different user or use XDMCP, and the screen would be in the nested window.
[03:40] <cabajgtr_> Ok, so I updated linux-generic, now what?
[03:40] <cabajgtr_> (and rebooted, uname -r 2.6.20-15-386)
[03:41] <RAOF> cabajgtr_: Install nvidia-glx, and reboot into the *generic* kernel.
[03:41] <RAOF> Fylk: "gksudo nautilus" from a terminal will give you a root nautilus window that you can copy stuff into /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:41] <cabajgtr_> is it ok to install it from under 386?
[03:41] <Fylk> NICE
[03:44] <instabin> im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:44] <instabin> with apt-get
[03:44] <instabin> am I typing the wrong package name?
[03:44] <maccam94> hmmmm ubuntu seems to ignore my fstab and mounts my xfs partition as noexec (maybe lvm has something to do with it?)
[03:45] <maccam94> how do I get ubuntu to always mount my xfs partition as exec?
[03:45] <maccam94> (yes, i already set exec in /etc/fstab)
[03:45] <instabin> im getting cant find linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic
[03:46] <cabajgtr_> BUmmer, now in Generic, I have an API mismatch, Kernel module is ver 7184, driver is 9631
[03:47] <maccam94> cabajgtr, you need to reinstall nvidia-kernel-source(s?)
[03:48] <cabajgtr_> im using binaries
[03:52] <cabajgtr_> maccam94, I shouldn't need nvidia source if i'm trying to run binaries should i?
[03:55] <carthik> Hi - I was wondering if I could use rsync to download the CD image and then use rsync to update it again after release?
[03:55] <cabajgtr> Did something weird happen in here, or did I just lose my connection?
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> netsplit
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> irc thing
[03:56] <cabajgtr> um, ok
[03:56] <cabajgtr> is RAOF still here?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> RAOF, you here?
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:57] <cabajgtr> =)
[03:58] <cabajgtr> cathik, why would you want to do that?
[03:58] <carthik> cabajgtr: so I have a smaller download on the day it is released?
[03:58] <cabajgtr> slow connection?
[03:58] <carthik> not really, no.
[03:59] <carthik> i dont want to hit the server hard when the image is finally released :)
[03:59] <cabajgtr> Why not just dist-upgrade?
[03:59] <cabajgtr> use bittorrent
[03:59] <carthik> that doesn't answer my question :)
[04:00] <cabajgtr> (sorry, don't know the answer, this was my substitution)
[04:00] <carthik> Thank you, cabajgtr - I appreciate your help.
[04:01] <cabajgtr> I've found the servers incredibly fast lately, I think I dl'd  an edgy image in 35 minutes a couple weeks ago
[04:01] <instabin> think the network just split
[04:01] <carthik> With rsync that would be down to 3 if you just updating the image
[04:02] <carthik> if you are
[04:03] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?
[04:04] <instabin> ok
[04:04] <instabin> got it fixed
[04:04] <instabin> but i dont under stand something
[04:04] <TuxRox> I can not seem to add commands to the session start-up dialog. Is anyone else seeing this issue?
[04:04] <instabin> how come on the clean install it has nvidia-glx and on the upgrade it has nvidia-glx-new
[04:08] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do i open a new nested login in Ubuntu's version of GNOME?
[04:09] <TuxRox> Shaddox, you might want to check System --> Preferences --> Main Menu under System Tools and make sure New Login is checked off.
[04:10] <Shaddox> TuxRox: Ah, thanks. Now to fix the sound in my linux build of Enemy Territory.
[04:10] <cabajgtr> Instabin, did you get beyond an API error with different versions of Kernel module and driver?
[04:10] <Eleaf> I'm getting a bit of delay in pulseaudio (about 100ms), is there anything I can do about this?
[04:10] <Amaranth> TuxRox: it won't tick in alacarte
[04:10] <Amaranth> TuxRox: unless you have xnest installed
[04:11] <Eleaf> For instance, flash videos play for a tiny bit longer after I stop them, and is slightly out of sync.
[04:11] <Eleaf> (maybe it's just flash, but it seems like there is some definete lag)
[04:14] <bur[n] er> anyone use rainlendar?
[04:14] <jarrett> so 7.04 is tomorrow?
[04:14] <ferret_0568> What Intel C2D motherboard should I get?
[04:14] <ferret_0568> I want a nice, compatible, and stable one
[04:15] <ferret_0568> I'm sick of this Dell Latitude C840 laptop I have
[04:15] <mon^rch> can I have it then?
[04:15] <ferret_0568> No
[04:15] <EdsipeR> where can I get the latest server edition ?
[04:15] <ferret_0568> \\\///
[04:16] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: define latest
[04:16] <EdsipeR> bur[n] er, latest ubuntu >= 7.04 available
[04:17] <bur[n] er> > 7.04?!?!?  7.04 isn't released until the 19th
[04:17] <EdsipeR> 7.04 "beta" is out
[04:17] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: you can get the latest beta... or get 6.10... or get a nightly... or even an hourly
[04:18] <ferret_0568> EdsipeR the beta is very stable
[04:18] <ferret_0568> I suggest a upgrade
[04:18] <EdsipeR> well, I have to install another server tomorrow and I would like to know where can I get a newest version than 7.04 beta
[04:18] <cabajgtr> Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver
[04:18] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: just get the beta and apt-get update && upgrade
[04:18] <EdsipeR> thanks
[04:18] <EdsipeR> that's all :)
[04:18] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: if it's a server... don't get feisty
[04:19] <EdsipeR> I have installed beta and works very good
[04:19] <bur[n] er> EdsipeR: I'd suggest edgy
[04:20] <mon^rch> what package is the one that gives the Gl Desktop in the system prefs menu?
[04:25] <meal3837> hdparm is returning 1380MB/s on my sata II drive . . . should I be able to get this faster?
[04:25] <meal3837> cached reads
[04:26] <misfit_toy> edgy makes a *great* server
[04:26] <meal3837> i wish i hda a use for a server
[04:31] <wehttamb> does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows
[04:31] <Hohlraum> anyone else seeing the codec install launch from totem acting crazy?
[04:31] <Beta> What is the terminal command to open a root window?
[04:31] <Beta> gt(something) natalius
[04:31] <meal3837> Beta: root window?
[04:32] <Beta> A window in which you have root access.
[04:32] <meal3837> Beta: I think you can just sudo it . . . at least that's how i get root gedits
[04:32] <meal3837> i.e. sudo gedit <doc>
[04:32] <Beta> Ok.
[04:32] <meal3837> idk if that's the proper way, though
[04:33] <leal> hello
[04:33] <meal3837> hi
[04:33] <wehttamb> does the migration assistant in 7.04 copy the user settings if you are installing ubuntu to the whole drive or only if you are installing it next to windows
[04:33] <meal3837> idk
[04:33] <Jordan_U> wehttamb, Either way
[04:33] <wehttamb> ok thx
[04:34] <leal> how can i update my initrd on ubuntu?
[04:34] <leal> i did a upgrade to feisty, but i'm still using the old kernel because the new initrd is not working.
[04:34] <Jordan_U> leal, How did you upgrade
[04:34] <Jordan_U> ?
[04:35] <cabajgtr> Can anyone help me with Nvidia API mismatch, I've got an old kernel module sticking around, with a new nvidia-glx driver
[04:35] <leal> update-manager
[04:35] <Shaddox> Hello everyone. What is the command to open a new login in a nested window/
[04:35] <leal> Jordan_U: everything did work great.
[04:36] <leal> Jordan_U: any tips?
[04:36] <ratshell> Hi all
[04:37] <Jordan_U> leal, Only to file a bug report and try any updates that come
[04:37] <leal> Jordan_U: but must have a way to fix that?
[04:38] <ratshell> Could I ask a random question real quick may sound odd...  That is all.
[04:39] <ratshell> Okay fine, change of question. Anyone here try Cedega 6.0 yet?
[04:39] <cabajgtr> ratshell, because its like an ugly version of a mac
[04:39] <jarrett> anyone know how to remove all but the current kernel?
[04:39] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:39] <goose> is there any word on this metacity bug?
[04:39] <goose> metacity just randomly fails to start for me
[04:39] <goose> not sure why
[04:40] <transgress_> did you file a bug report?
[04:40] <goose> there are already 3 ppl with the same problem when i googled it =)
[04:40] <goose> i didn't feel motivated to register and file a bug report
[04:40] <leal> what the filesystem that ubuntu use in initrd files??
[04:40] <transgress_> well those people... did they file a bug report
[04:40] <goose> yep they did
[04:41] <leal> i could not mount it.
[04:41] <transgress_> for future reference it's a bad idea to run beta software if you don't file bug reports
[04:41] <goose> =D
[04:41] <transgress_> you couldn't mount an initrd file?
[04:41] <leal> transgress_: yeah
[04:41] <corevette> what files in synaptic do i need to let apache open my php files???
[04:42] <leal> transgress_: i need to update the kernel to 2.6.20 to use my nvidia card... but the initrd is broken.
[04:42] <leal> transgress_: do you know what the ubuntu procedure to do that?
[04:42] <leal> or how can i mount it?
[04:42] <misfit_toy> jarrett, use synaptic, but leave the kernel before there, you never know when you'll need it.
[04:42] <leal> i just tryied: mount -oloop -tramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-386 /initrd/
[04:42] <leal> but did not work.
[04:43] <Shootfast> hey guys, is anyone here able to help me create a new initrd image on a non booting system?
[04:43] <DarkMageZ> corevette, i believe you need linapache2-mod-php5
[04:43] <leal> Somebody????
[04:43] <corevette> darkmagez: i have it...here's what i get: <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:43] <leal> Shootfast: i'm having the same problem here.
[04:43] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:43] <Shootfast> leal, whats your motherboard?
[04:44] <leal> Shootfast: intel 865
[04:44] <Shootfast> leal: Im trying on an XPC Shuttle, same mobo
[04:45] <leal> Shootfast: do you know the ubuntu procedure to create a initrd?
[04:45] <DarkMageZ> corevette, i'm not getting a responce from that ip...
[04:45] <leal> Shootfast: i use to mount and create the files by hand... but i can't do that in ubuntu...
[04:45] <Shootfast> yeah but it didnt work, someone suggested I try YAIRD, but i cant use that on the live cd as it cant mount the filesystem :S
[04:46] <leal> YAIRD?
[04:46] <Shootfast> its a debian tool for generating initrd files that more closely match your system
[04:46] <leal> Shootfast: ok.
[04:47] <goose> so do i have to stick metacity in .Xsession   ?
[04:48] <diabolix> i have a couple of questions.. if i tell my gf to install feisty this weekend, will it automagically install the official nvidia driver?
[04:48] <Shootfast> diabolix: hopefully
[04:48] <stdin> diabolix: not automatically
[04:48] <stdin> diabolix: but it's an easy install
[04:48] <diabolix> ok..
[04:49] <diabolix> and what about mp3s and videos, are all those crazy codec issues cleared up?
[04:49] <Shootfast> diabolix: doesnt it tell you that the device you have has a propriatary driver and ask if you want it?
[04:49] <stdin> diabolix: mp3 codes installs when you try to play an mp3 file
[04:49] <diabolix> Shootfast, i want to wait till the official release, haven't tried yet.
[04:49] <Shootfast> i see
[04:49] <diabolix> how about video codecs? dvdcss?
[04:49] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I open a new login in a nested window and I also need help fixing my sound in a Quake3 engine game.
[04:49] <diabolix> stuff like that?
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: that can't be installed by default
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: it's not legal in some places
[04:50] <Shootfast> dvdcss is never installed by default as its illegal in the us
[04:50] <goose> diabolix: don't install feisty
[04:50] <stdin> diabolix: again, easy install tho
[04:50] <goose> it's got problems :|
[04:50] <Shootfast> goose: no it doesnt.... whats wrong?
[04:50] <goose> there's a metacity bug that randomly prevents it from starting
[04:50] <Shootfast> thats why i use kde :D
[04:51] <goose> i logged a few minutes ago and had no window decorations
[04:51] <goose> :O
[04:51] <atselby> can anyone tell me why windows are automatically set to display in every workspace and how i can change that? i cant find a setting.
[04:51] <wehttamb> is dvd css illegal in australia
[04:51] <goose> Shootfast: kubuntu?
[04:51] <goose> or kde package from ubuntu?
[04:51] <Shootfast> wehttamb: I dunno but i use it here anyways :P
[04:51] <Shootfast> kubuntu
[04:52] <wehttamb> shootfast: yea i do as well
[04:52] <DarkMageZ> Shaddox, what is hapening with the sound in the q3a engine?
[04:52] <diabolix> compiz is easy to setup now.. isn't it?
[04:52] <goose> brb
[04:52] <AngryElf> I think, since I upgraded to BETA i'm lirc + mplayer + volume up/down, instead of altering the volume, spout a alsa-control error and "mute" the volume instead -- however, it's not a real mute since normal mute control doesn't unmute it....any ideas?
[04:52] <Shootfast> diabolix: in fact, its installed by default
[04:53] <Shootfast> diabolix: you just click system>>>preferences>>>Desktop Effects and enable
[04:53] <diabolix> i'm wondering if i should tell her to use ubuntu or kubuntu...
[04:53] <Shootfast> kubuntu ftw :P
[04:53] <stdin> diabolix: kubuntu, always :)
[04:54] <diabolix> i just decided to try ubuntu on my laptop, i must admit i am impressed. i almost shat myself when hibernation and sleeping worked.
[04:54] <diabolix> and wireless.
[04:54] <Shootfast> lol
[04:54] <Shootfast> in feisty WPA is enabled by default too
[04:54] <diabolix> snap.. i'm upgrading.
[04:54] <diabolix> has anyone tried the "windows migration assistant"?
[04:55] <wehttamb> diabolix: i want to but dont have windows to test it on
[04:56] <Shootfast> windows?
[04:56] <diabolix> is it just for firefox settings or does it do files and mp3s?
[04:56] <wehttamb> i think it does documents
[04:56] <wehttamb> and wallpaper to
[04:56] <bullgard4> Is there an instruction for use or 'official' overview of gnome-volume-manager in English? I did google but could not find one.
[04:57] <diabolix> she's running xp, and just got a virus, and she said "alright damnit, install that linux thingy your always using"
[04:57] <diabolix> she decided she can live without the sims.
[04:58] <diabolix> in kubuntu, amarok is default media player.. right?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> yep
[04:59] <Dr_willis> default song player.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> not video. (not sure it can do video) heh
[04:59] <Endler> Microsoft will be in big trouble if the game studios ever start doing Linux versions.  That's really the only advantage Windows has for home use.
[04:59] <diabolix> i did not know that...
[04:59] <Shootfast> bullgard4: just right click and click help
[05:00] <stdin> amarok can't (not yet)
[05:00] <diabolix> so.. is anyone in here a windows migrant?
[05:00] <Dr_willis> i perfer vlc and xine for videos :)
[05:00] <Shootfast> diabolix: me
[05:00] <Shootfast> mplayer ftw
[05:00] <diabolix> and you prefer kubuntu?
[05:00] <Shootfast> diabolix: only coz gnome annoys me
[05:01] <wehttamb> i am a windows migrant but i didnt use the migration assistant
[05:01] <bullgard4> Shootfast: Where should I right-click on?
[05:01] <diabolix> i used to be a fluxbox guy, but gnome provides such a consistent expirience, i'm actually enjoying it.
[05:01] <Shootfast> bullgard4: right click on the volume icon in the top right corner and then choose help
[05:01] <diabolix> its almost like using a mac.
[05:01] <Dr_willis> diabolix,  only in a GOOD way. :)
[05:02] <Shootfast> kde is so much easier to customize though, gnome baby sits you through everything
[05:02] <diabolix> yeah. like a mac that doesn't make me look like an artistic hippy.
[05:03] <Shootfast> mac annoys me too....
[05:03] <diabolix> true that.. about kde.
[05:03] <Shootfast> too much bouncing and dragging
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Im tempted to get one of those mac-minis for my next linux box. :) wonder about those mac-tv's
[05:03] <RAOF> Shootfast: I like to *use* my computer, not spend hours hunting through the crazily presented "kitchen sink" options to find the switch I'm after :P
[05:03] <Shootfast> or download osx86
[05:03] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, "apple-tv" ? that new device thingy?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  yea - seen some articals on them.
[05:04] <Shootfast> then you must hate gnome
[05:04] <misfit_toy> yeah, me too Dr_willis
[05:04] <Endler> The thing I don't like about gnome is they why they take all your options away and decided for you the "one and only best way to do everything" so as not to confuse the user's little brain.  If they's shitcan all their "usability studies" I'd be fine with it, 'cause I like some of the aps.
[05:04] <diabolix> you know.. when she saw me using kde at work (i have to use suse) she got really excited about the bouncing startup notification.. i think i will install kde.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  they would be a neat mythtv front end box. :)
[05:04] <diabolix> kubuntu
[05:04] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, zackly
[05:04] <Dr_willis> but for the $$ not sure if ya could build a mini-itx system for about the same.
[05:04] <Shootfast> put beryl on and she'll be yours forever
[05:04] <diabolix> kubuntu is being released the same time as ubuntu.. correct?
[05:05] <Shootfast> yes, but it wont get the latest KDE until later in the year i think
[05:05] <diabolix> Shootfast, she already fell in love with beryl when i booted sabayon.
[05:05] <diabolix> latest as in 4.0?
[05:05] <Endler> Sorry about all the typos.
[05:05] <Shootfast> yeah
[05:06] <diabolix> so.. kubuntu runs well with 512 ram?
[05:06] <Endler> Well, Ubuntu releases are timed to snyc with gnome releases, so it's always going to work out better timing-wise for ubuntu than kubuntu.
[05:06] <Shootfast> diabolix: well i have 2gb... but it should run ok
[05:08] <diabolix> hmm.. maybe i will give her gnome.. i can always just download both and let he try the live versions of each.
[05:08] <Endler> Is it official that the RC is going to be skipped and the final released on Thursday?
[05:08] <diabolix> Shaddox, reinstall the kernel?
[05:08] <diabolix> Shootfast, ^^
[05:08] <Shootfast> doesnt work
[05:08] <Shaddox> diabolix: I have no idea what that means.
[05:09] <bullgard4> Shootfast: I still do not understand you: The icon in the top right corner is the windows selector. When pressing on it, Yelp will open and tell me something about 'Windows Selector Applet' but not about gnome-volume-manager
[05:09] <diabolix> oh thats right.. ubuntu makes initrd at install time..
[05:09] <Shootfast> bullgard4: can you see the volume icon in the top right? right click that
[05:09] <Dr_willis> diabolix,  you can install gnome, and kde, and xfce all on the same box and just try them all :)
[05:09] <bullgard4> Shootfast: How does it look like?
[05:10] <Shootfast> bullgard4: like a speaker with sound waves comming out
[05:10] <bullgard4> Shootfast: Yes! Excuse me. I've found it. I'll press on it.
[05:10] <diabolix> Dr_willis, yeah.. but she kind of needs some simplicity.
[05:10] <Shootfast> bullgard4: cool
[05:11] <diabolix> shell end up getting confused.
[05:11] <Shootfast> diabolix: give her a command prompt, nothing simpler
[05:11] <diabolix> she knows how to connect to a wifi network on my slackware box using nothing but cli, i wouldn't put it past her.
[05:12] <misfit_toy> because all women know about their cli
[05:12] <Dr_willis> when in doubt - educate.
[05:12] <diabolix> its not that she's too dumb to use linux, its that shell get frustraited if it takes too much time.
[05:12] <Shootfast> zing
[05:12] <diabolix> wich is completely understandable. i was a slackware user for a long time, but edgy converted me. even tho i still get angry that headers aren't installed by default.
[05:13] <misfit_toy> diabolix, my wife's new laptop has freaking vista on it, and she wants *me* to help her, hell, it looks like kde to me.
[05:13] <Shootfast> i'm trying to get into slackware, but i just havnt had the time recently
[05:13] <RAOF> Shootfast: If you can't boot, fire up a LiveCD (or, better yet, an AlternateCD - it's got a "repair existing instalation"), chroot into your existing system and then fix it.)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> heh.. 'come show me how to use this program honey, that you have NEVER seen befor! and be quick about it!'
[05:13] <Endler> I don't understand why so many people just use the default desktops arrangements, and use two bars with menus on top in gnome and single bar on bottom for KDE.  Sheesh.  That's just each's default, not a reason to pick one or the other.  It takes all of a few minutes to customize ether one to whatever layout you like.  Most people sure aren't very adventurous!
[05:14] <diabolix> slackware is nice. i use it on my desktop, but i would never want to take the time to set up a laptop in slackware again.
[05:14] <Shootfast> ROAF: thanks man, where abouts is repair existing installation?
[05:14] <Jordan_U> Does Feisty use devicescape ?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i wish more of the disrtos would use the default/vanilla Kde or gnome setuop. that way all the different distros would be easier to  learn. :) well learn the basics of the desktop i guess.
[05:15] <diabolix> like slackware.. doesn't even ship with a slackware icon or splash screen, everything is vanilla.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Moving the wife from a Mandrake, to a ubuntu box.. shouldnt mean she needs to relearn where all the kde/gnome/whatever icons are now at.
[05:15] <crimsun> Jordan_U: for as much as possible, yes.
[05:15] <bullgard4> Shootfast: The icon shaped as a loudspeaker symbol according to Synaptic Synaptic: "enables you to control the sound volume on your system." But I did ask for a description of gnome-volume-manager. gnome-volume-manager has a different function: It allows to set settings of removable media.
[05:15] <crimsun> Jordan_U: GIT-SHA 4d0fb64df98a9e21644525615df34ab2056eb569
[05:16] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Does that mean that it uses the new broadcom drivers that I have heard are much better?
[05:16] <RAOF> Shootfast: If you boot from the AlternateCD, there's a boot option "repair existing..." which will boot up, then ask you which partition you'd like to chroot into.  From there, you just want to do whatever to fix your system (probably just an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade)
[05:16] <diabolix> what kernel does feisty ship with?
[05:16] <crimsun> Jordan_U: no. It has been merged but likely won't appear until a post-release feisty-updates kernel upload.
[05:16] <Shootfast> thats awesome, thanks alot RAOF
[05:16] <crimsun> diabolix: 2.6.20.point release + patches
[05:17] <bullgard4> diabolix: 2.6.20-15-generic usually.
[05:17] <Jordan_U> crimsun, So would something like that actually added after release or would it just be in backports / Gutsy?
[05:17] <diabolix> does anyone happen to know if the rtl818x wireless driver made it in again? its in edgy, and i need it for my laptop.
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> that is a ralink chipset is it not?
[05:18] <Endler> I prefer distro don't do too much customizing of the layout either, because I do it myself anyway, and it's quicker starting from a more standard base.  I especially don't like the way Kubuntu screws around with Konqueror and tries to dumb it down.
[05:18] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, yeah.
[05:18] <Shootfast> well guys gotta go, great talking to you all, thanks for the help
[05:18] <crimsun> Jordan_U: you might want to reread what I typed. :)
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, i would think it is in the packages...
[05:18] <Shaddox> Hi everyone. How do I get sound working in Enemy Territory?
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> but looking might help
[05:19] <Jordan_U> crimsun, No, I just don't understand what you typed :)
[05:19] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, it shiped with an edgy kernel update that nobody seems to know about.
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, alsamixer in a console to see what is muted
[05:19] <diabolix> where would i be able to find that information?
[05:19] <Shaddox> The windows version in WINE works, but the linux build has no sound.
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, open a terminal and type that command as user
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. darn clock is showing time in 24 hr format still..
[05:20] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: What is all this?
[05:20] <crimsun> Jordan_U: the new bcm43xx driver has been merged in our feisty fit tree. It will not be available in the feisty release. It /may/ ship as in a feisty-updates kernel upload.
[05:20] <crimsun> Jordan_U: feisty fit -> feisty git
[05:21] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, mine did that for 2 days after upgrading from edgy then one day fixed itself.
[05:21] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, what comand?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> alsamixer
[05:21] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  heh - i never upgraded.. clean install..
[05:21] <Jordan_U> crimsun, What is Feisty-updates exactly?
[05:21] <crimsun> Jordan_U: updates for feisty.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  i still think the clock should DEFAULT to 12hr/am/pm format. :)
[05:21] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, its not a sound card, its a wireless card.
[05:21] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I opened alsamixer, but have no idea what any of this is. ^^
[05:21] <Dr_willis> 'for people' heh heh
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> oh, ... thought you asked about sound
[05:21] <Jordan_U> crimsun, So it will be available in an update?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> sorry that was Shaddox
[05:22] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, me too, but I have coworkers that would disagree, weird.
[05:22] <crimsun> Jordan_U: if feisty-updates is a repository containing updates for feisty...
[05:22] <diabolix> no. i was wandering if the rtl818x wifi driver made its way into feisty.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, use cursor keys to navigate around and raise levels ... anything with MM is muted
[05:22] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: What is supposed to be unmuted for a game that uses the OSS sound codec to work?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  well the ubuntu mantra is linux for 'people' :)  of course i think the clock 'should' see that you changed the time format and auto-change to it.. not have to be restarted (in kde at least)  not sur eif gnome does it that way or not
[05:22] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Please try not to be condescending
[05:22] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I installed alsa-oss and use the "aoss et" command to launch my game.
[05:23] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I'm not
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:23] <crimsun> Jordan_U: I've explain it three times; I'm not sure if it can be any clearer
[05:23] <Endler> Are Epson's Avasys gpl'd drivers every going to make it in?
[05:23] <crimsun> explained, even
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> well i guess i was on the right track
[05:23] <Endler> ever
[05:23] <Shaddox> nomasteryoda: I unmuted everything, still no sound.
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> and raised levels up?
[05:23] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, in gnome the time change thing occurs realtime when you change it.
[05:24] <AngryElf> anyon ehere using lirc + mplayer?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> misfit_toy,  yea. :)  of course I have a clock on the wall.. so why do i need one in the taskbar.
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> Shaddox, if you are typing that command, i think a "-d" will do debug
[05:24] <crimsun> Shaddox: aoss rarely works with quake3-based games.
[05:24] <misfit_toy> Dr_willis, heh
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> wait, do you have another player running... amarok?
[05:24] <diabolix> can someone running feisty do "modprobe r818x" and tell me if the module is found?
[05:24] <stdin> misfit_toy: tried keytouch ?
[05:24] <crimsun> Shaddox: it's caused by the particular method in which the audio engine handles buffering
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, uh uh
[05:25] <diabolix> i won't upgrade if my wireless driver isn't in it.
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, aptable?
[05:25] <stdin> !keytouch
[05:25] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[05:25] <stdin> !info keytouch
[05:25] <Dr_willis> willis@kubuntu:/media$ locate r818x
[05:25] <Dr_willis> /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/wireless/rtl818x/r818x.ko
[05:25] <ubotu> keytouch: A program to configure the extra function keys of the keyboard. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.99+2.3.0beta4-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 419 kB, installed size 1888 kB
[05:25] <Shaddox> crimsun: Then how do I get my sound working?
[05:25] <crimsun> Shaddox: you're better off just using alsa's oss emulation by itself
[05:25] <stdin> misfit_toy: yeah
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> not found diabolix ....
[05:25] <cabajgtr> RAOF, if you're back, I'm still having trouble with my NVIDIA-GLX, now I have api mismatch, an old Kernel-module
[05:25] <diabolix> damn...
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:25] <crimsun> Shaddox: well, it largely depends if your sound hardware supports mmap
[05:25] <diabolix> *sniffle(
[05:25] <misfit_toy> stdin, I have been looking for a while for something like that as the gnome shortcuts don't work in feisty, at least not all of them, let me give it a shot.
[05:25] <Shaddox> crimsun: How do I find out?
[05:26] <crimsun> Shaddox: do you get any errors about mmap when you start ET?
[05:26] <Shaddox> crimsun: I get no errors, the game starts up and runs well, except for the fact that there's no sound at all anymore. ^^
[05:26] <stdin> misfit_toy: you can use keytouch-editor to assign function to the keys too (for ones that aren't working with keytouch), it's how I got mine working
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, is that a pcmcia card or what?
[05:26] <Jordan_U> crimsun, I asked if it was gong to be added in an update because I thought that packages were frozen and that only bug fixes were released after Feisty is Final, you have not made it clear weather Fesity-updates is a repository similar to backports or if you are just referring to normal updates to main.
[05:26] <cabajgtr> Anybody been able to clear out old nvidia kernel module, to get a new one installed?
[05:27] <misfit_toy> stdin, very cool, going to play with it now, thank you!
[05:27] <philip> torrent for the warez pre-release 0-day OEM version of feisty, anyone?
[05:27] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, its a minipci.
[05:27] <philip> forgot, RTM too
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:27] <Dr_willis> warez>
[05:27] <diabolix> i might have to use ndiswrapper.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> heh.
[05:27] <Shaddox> philip: I wouldn't trust it. If they haven't released it officially, it's most likely not going to work, or is some form of spyware/adware.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, well in that case, could you not just order a nice intel one for about $22 US?
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> just a thought
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> that is what i have in my other laptop
[05:28] <Dr_willis> im using the beta.. when its officially released.. apt-get update/upgrade.. and poof its there. :)
[05:28] <Endler> It's good timing for the Windows migration utility.  Just about now a lot of people are finding they can't, or just don't want to upgrade to Vista.  Exactly how much does it migrate beyond browser bookmarks?
[05:28] <crimsun> Jordan_U: the packages are frozen. Updates are not restricted to bugfixes; it depends how invasive - and on the magnitude - of the changes. feisty-updates is for small, non-invasive fixes. feisty-backports is not restricted to small bugfixes. Only feisty-updates is supported. feisty-backports is completely your problem if it hoses something.
[05:28] <diabolix> its built in to my laptop, the bios won't boot if i replace it.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> but looks like tons of folks have crashes witht hat card
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> wyat?
[05:28] <Shaddox> crimsun: The game starts fine, just no sound.
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> minipci is plugin
[05:28] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Thank you
[05:28] <Shaddox> crimsun: I don't even get ping errors, which is unusual.
[05:28] <philip> Dr_willis, I'm on feisty here since Jan too, too many settings not working right now, I need a fresh install
[05:28] <fulat2k> hi folks, where's the checkbox to enable compiz in feisty?
[05:29] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, right. but my bios shits on me when i swap it out.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> thats nuts..this dell boots with it... and its not a dell part... weird..
[05:29] <diabolix> thats actually common in laptops.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i understand
[05:29] <philip> by the way, is the network-manager work out of the box now? mine is still broken
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> too bad though... cause i have a ralink card in my server wireless media box
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> oh well, back to debian for that box
[05:30] <diabolix> eh.. i can't complain about a laptop that was $400 US when new.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> true
[05:30] <diabolix> and i got everything to work in linux.. so.. not a bad buy.
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> mine was gift... old hand-me-down that i had to hack to get soundworking..
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu is nice on it
[05:31] <diabolix> mine will be fine until dell starts shipping with ubuntu preinstalled
[05:31] <diabolix> ubuntu is just plain nice..
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> diabolix, wait
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> it is in feisty
[05:31] <Shaddox> yeah my only problem is my Q3 engine sound X_x
[05:31] <diabolix> oh rly?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> dang...wrong terminal
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> i had my mythtv term open by mistake
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> loaded up sweet... dmesg reports all is well
[05:32] <diabolix> sweet. now i will upgrade. i just need to back up my mp3s. i've been meaning to put them all on my ps3 anyways.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> heh
[05:32] <philip> should I just grab the 4-15 image or just wait til the 19th?
[05:32] <Endler> notebooks actually make good home linux servers when they get old, because they don't impact the electricity bill much, the slowness of notebook hard drives doesn't really matter much for a home server.
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> wait
[05:32] <diabolix> and my ps3 lets my get them back off of it. thats awsome to me.
[05:32] <diabolix> wait for what?
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> oh, that was for philip
[05:33] <diabolix> ok.
[05:33] <diabolix> good. now i will upgrade.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> no, looks like loads good
[05:33] <bullgard4> Is there an instruction for use or summarizing overview of gnome-volume-manager? I did google but could not find one.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> using the .15 kernel
[05:33] <Endler> They make especially good servers when the screen dies and they are useless for anything else :)
[05:33] <diabolix> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[05:33] <|Pollywog|> I am having trouble with nvidia riva fb, I need to disable it so that I can install nvidia-glx
[05:34] <crimsun> bullgard4: g-v-m manages mass storage and other volumes
[05:34] <diabolix> nomasteryoda, whats uname -r say?
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> that's mine
[05:34] <diabolix> awsome.
[05:34] <diabolix> awsome to the max.
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> =D
[05:34] <philip> can I wipe all directories except /home, then reinstall and /home would be untouched?
[05:34] <bullgard4> crimsun: Where is a more verbose description of it?
[05:34] <bur[n] er> philip: no
[05:34] <diabolix> alright.. off to do homework.
[05:34] <diabolix> thanks all.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> philip: only if /home is a different partition
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> er, all distros I know of wipe directories.... needs to be a separate partition
[05:35] <crimsun> bullgard4: apt-cache show gnome-volume-manager
[05:35] <philip> bur[n] er, if I choose not to reformat it, it should work right?
[05:35] <Endler> It's best if you keep /home as it's own partition--then when you upgrade you can wipe out the whole root partition without worry.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> philip: i don't think so
[05:36] <Jordan_U> philip, I may be wrong but I think that the migration assistant can transfer your home folder, but you should put /home on it's own partition anyway
[05:36] <bur[n] er> Jordan_U: i think you're wrong ;)
[05:36] <bullgard4> crimsun: Thank you.
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> philip, there are issues with settings from gnome, kde that can dork up a new installl... i make a new user copy over data i need... backup to extra hd before starting the install
[05:37] <philip> I never know how much space to allocate for root (everything except /home) so I just leave /home inside root
[05:37] <Pollywog> I need to disable rivafb to get nvidia to work, but editing the kernel .config and recompiling did not do the trick
[05:37] <Endler> + if you load multiple disro into different partitions, you can still have them all use the same /home partition.  Just make sure you choose a different home folder name for each distro.
[05:38] <Pollywog> doesn't commenting out a module and then running 'make oldconfig' work anymore?
[05:38] <crdlb> Pollywog, you have a riva 128?
[05:38] <Pollywog> no I have geforce
[05:38] <Dr_willis> ive had some issues in the past with sharing /home with differnt disrtos.
[05:38] <Pollywog> I need that riva thing disabled
[05:38] <bur[n] er> philip: i have xfce + kde +ubuntu and have partitioned off 10 gigs for /
[05:38] <crdlb> Pollywog, then why are you having a problem with rivafb?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> philip, good rule of thumb... 6gb for root is ok if you put var in another partition... and 15gb for root if you leave var in root and want to install lots of extra packages
[05:39] <Pollywog> dunno I have never had a problem until now
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> but, ymmv
[05:39] <bur[n] er> why does var matter?
[05:39] <Endler> What issues?  You can have big issues if you try to you the same home folder.  Otherwise, I can't think of any.
[05:39] <philip> /var/www?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> i have gnome, fluxbox, kde, xfce, blackbox, ... etc all in 15gb for root
[05:39] <Pollywog> I can't compile nvidia drivers
[05:40] <hooray> theres a website where u can dl packages, i forgot the name, anyone know what im talking about?
[05:40] <hooray> shortname
[05:40] <bur[n] er> hooray: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <Pollywog> says failed rivafb sanity check
[05:40] <hooray> a different site than that one
[05:41] <bur[n] er> hooray: cnr?
[05:41] <crdlb> Pollywog, compile?
[05:41] <hooray> i dled deluge from it
[05:41] <Pollywog> I guess I could try to compile a 2.6.17 kernel for feisty
[05:41] <Pollywog> oh wait
[05:41] <hooray> lol not that short
[05:41] <Pollywog> I can't get nvidia to work in feisty let's just put it that way
[05:41] <hooray> i think it has get in the name
[05:42] <crdlb> Pollywog, have you tried nvidia-glx(-new) ?
[05:42] <Pollywog> apt-get install nvidia-glx complains about my kernel
[05:42] <Pollywog> new?
[05:42] <Pollywog> no I have not
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> Pollywog,what kernel do you have?...
[05:42] <philip> I'm thinking they are going to release 4-15 as 4-19 :/ hasn't been updated daily since 4-15
[05:42] <Pollywog> 2.6.20
[05:42] <Pollywog> installed feisty today
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> uname -a
[05:42] <Jordan_U> hooray, "As of Feisty, Deluge is in Ubuntu's universe repository. DO NOT INSTALL THIS VERSION" http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Downloads
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> and updated and rebooted? Pollywog
[05:43] <Pollywog> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> !pastebin
[05:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:43] <Pollywog> oh yes that new one seems to be the correct one
[05:43] <Pollywog> thanks people :)
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> post the error to that
[05:44] <hooray> weird thing, deluge isnt in regular synaptic, only in add/remove programs
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[05:44] <hooray> but i cant use deluge anyways
[05:44] <bur[n] er> hooray: it was recently taken out... check launchpad or something
[05:44] <bur[n] er> hooray: you can't?
[05:44] <crdlb> hooray, what happens if you: sudo apt-get install deluge-torrent ?
[05:45] <hooray> it crashes, im on xfce4, dunno if it install necc dependencies correctly
[05:45] <Pollywog> the feisty script failed due to an error in Samba, but I was unable to report the bug due to a malfunction in the bug reporting system
[05:45] <bur[n] er> hooray:  http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads/deb/  Use that repository :)  it has 0.5
[05:45] <shirish> crdlb: supposedly 0.4 is not anymore in the archives, so you get 0.5 probably
[05:45] <hooray> E: Package deluge-torrent has no installation candidate
[05:45] <Pollywog> my other machine does not have samba so did not experience the same problem
[05:45] <hooray> E: Couldn't find package deluge
[05:46] <Endler> The one problem you can have with sharing a /home partition is that during install, some distros just assume that you want your home folder to be the same as your username, and you need to have a different home folder for each distro.  To be safe, it is best to just choose a different username for each install and let it create that matching home folder.  Then, after install is finished, go back and change the username to the regular
[05:46] <Endler> one you always use. The home folder will remain the same though, so you will end up with the same username for each distro, but a different home folder.
[05:46] <shirish> so download the deb that bur[n] er is doing
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> feisty script for what Pollywog ?
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> ... failures are not an option... =D
[05:47] <Pollywog> nomasteryoda: the upgrade script for edgy
[05:47] <Pollywog> edgy to feisty
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> ah
[05:47] <shirish> guys I am trying to access the changelog in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> well, that is not smart ... but that is my humble opinion... apt-get update, apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade works for me...
[05:48] <crdlb> Pollywog, you mean the update-manager -d thing?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> i've learned to love the console
[05:48] <shirish> doing a gedit  /usr/share/doc/aptoncd/changelog.Debian.gz I get a binary file thing? I can't open that file, is there some file through which I can see the binary file in proper way
[05:48] <Pollywog> crdlb: I don't know I used the procedure in the topic, for kubuntu
[05:49] <fqh>  Is kerneljanitors.org available now? I can't access it.
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> now if someone would tell me why my battlestar: beyond the redline game will not work... oh, wait it was as script that installed it .. doh
[05:49] <crdlb> oh kubuntu doesn't have the update-manager
[05:49] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, That is NOT the correct way and NOT the same as update-manager, at least in Dapper -> Edgy just dist-upgrading left many people with a very broken install.
[05:49] <Pollywog> worked on one machine that does not run samba but not on the one that has samba
[05:49] <Endler> If you have make sure your main user ID is assigned the same UID in all distros, then you will be able to acces all you data from all your distros easily from home no matter which distro you boot from.
[05:50] <Pollywog> I ddid not use the update-manager
[05:50] <Pollywog> I used the procedure specified for kubuntu that included a python script
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> that is what i've heard, but i ran apt-get update, upgrade,dist... about 4 times... Pollywog might want to run those commands to see if he gets any success... if ubuntu is getting away from debian's roots of apt-get dist-upgrade, maybe it's time to move on
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> sorry, gutsy leaves me wanting debian  ...
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> nn
[05:51] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, "Manual command-line upgrade (not recommended)
[05:51] <Jordan_U> Please note - this method is less reliable. If you use this method, you MUST be prepared to fix problems manually, such as packages being unexpectedly removed, apt crashing unexpectedly, etc. Using Update Manager (see above) is likely to be much less problematic. " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades
[05:52] <Endler> I installed debian 4.0 on a system just a few days ago, and everything went flawlessly.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> like i said ... ymmv and imho .. to clairfy my statements...
[05:52] <Endler> It will age quickly though;  that's the problem.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> been using linux since 1998... and want to help out the best way possible
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> the update will be recommended for most folks
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> manager that is
[05:53] <bur[n] er> nomasteryoda: i'm pretty sure apt isn't going anywhere anytime soon
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> or whew, i needed that
[05:54] <shirish> guys how I can unzip a .gz without disturbing the archive, it should just extract but leave the .gz alone
[05:54] <crdlb> shirish, gunzip ?
[05:54] <Endler> How much more has Feisty been optimized to make use of Upstart for quick boot times?
[05:55] <crdlb> shirish, or do you mean the opposite?
[05:55] <dystopianray> shirish: zcat blah.gz > blah
[05:55] <dystopianray> Endler: it's still mostly sysv init scripts afaik
[05:56] <dystopianray> shirish: or gunzip -c blah.gz > blah
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Endler, good...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> i have all 3 debian dvds .. and am torrent'n them back
[05:56] <shirish> dystopianray: the archive is already there, I just want to extract it without disturbing the archie
[05:57] <dystopianray> shirish: that's what i'm telling you how to do
[05:57] <Endler> Hmm.  I thought they just kind of wanted to get it in there for Edgy, and then get to work on actually implement it next go round.
[05:58] <shirish> ok cool
[05:58] <dystopianray> shirish: both of those commands decompress to stdout and then redirect the output to a new file
[06:00] <shirish> dystopianray: both of the commands somehow don't work, i am in /usr/share/doc/aptoncd & trying to decompress the changelog.Debian.gz without success
[06:00] <shirish> dystopianray: I used the sudo before
[06:01] <dystopianray> shirish: you need to redirect to somewhere you have permission to write to
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: if you just want to read the changelog use less, it can read gziped files
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: less changelog.Debian.gz
[06:02] <cabajgtr> I have an old NVIDIA kernel 7184 that I cant seem to uninstall, and it is conflicting with nvidia-glx. can someone help?
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: I already tried that, it says the file is a binary file
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: and then gives an error output
[06:02] <shirish> dystopianray: I mean the gedit gives some error output
[06:02] <dystopianray> shirish: don't use gedit, use less
[06:03] <shirish> dystopianray: using less with changelog.Debian.gz gives me lot of things but no english
[06:04] <dystopianray> shirish: well do $ zcat blah.gz > ~/blah
[06:04] <dystopianray> shirish: and read the result out of your home dir
[06:04] <Pollywog> !pastebin
[06:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:04] <shirish> dystopianray: thanx was able to do that :)
[06:05] <dystopianray> shirish: there must be something wrong with your less, or wrong with how your'e using it, it reads gziped files without issue here
[06:05] <Pollywog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16193/
[06:05] <shirish> dystopianray: for most of the changelog.Debian.gz it reads without issues, with some there is an issue I haven't understood why I use the same thing
[06:05] <shirish> dystopianray: 'less' I mean
[06:05] <Pollywog> I upgraded my kernel but I am not sure it will boot
[06:06] <crdlb> cabajgtr, you never used the manual installer from nvidia.com ?
[06:06] <shirish> Pollywog: wise words, always have more than one kernel :)
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> Pollywog, it should be a newer kernel than .3
[06:06] <Pollywog> I have more than one
[06:06] <Endler> If you think there is something up with less, why not try most?
[06:06] <crdlb> because less is more :)
[06:06] <Pollywog> .3 seems to be the newest
[06:06] <shirish> nomasteryoda: lol, somehow I have found the 2.6.20-12 to be the most stable one so far atleast on my machine
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:07] <Pollywog> but why are the sources .3 if there is a stock kernel newer than that?
[06:08] <Pollywog> the stock kernel would not run vmware so I had to compile one
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> er, there is a way to do that without compiling kernel....
[06:08] <Endler> Anyone tried virtualbox?
[06:08] <Pollywog> I ran make prepare-all
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> but i'm not sure where i found the solution.... i have vmware workstation here
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:09] <Pollywog> that was not sufficient
[06:09] <Pollywog> okay here goes the reboot.
[06:10] <Pollywog> if it fails I will come back on my laptop
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:16] <shirish> ok guys be back in a while.
[06:25] <tag> has anyone else noticed that save as dialogs like, jerk back and forth?
[06:25] <tag> I know the feisty release is in like two days
[06:26] <consty> Anyone purchase a system76 laptop before? If so, anyone know how long it usually takes them to move to a new release of Ubuntu pre-installed?
[06:29] <dystopianray> consty: why not install feisty yourself?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> consty: 24 hours
[06:30] <bur[n] er> if that
[06:30] <consty> dystopianray: Oh I could.. but I mean if it's only a day wait I might as well, right?
[06:30] <consty> bur[n] er: Really?  That quick eh?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> dystopianray, i think he's asking because he wants the extra level of support... if they install, then they cover it... right?
[06:31] <RAOF> And they install a bunch of other cool stuff for you, too.
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> y
[06:31] <consty> well technically they cover it with feisty anyway once it's released so
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> camera support, modem, ...
[06:31] <consty> exactly
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> so its a good choice for someone wanting fully supported hardware
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:32] <consty> So I mean if it's usually only 24 hours (that how long it took them to go from dapper to edgey?), then I'll wait.
[06:35] <consty> I have a borked laptop right now anyway, so I definitely need to replace it.
[06:38] <mon^rch> is ther some place I should go to report how happy with the stuff I have instaleed I am?
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> tell your local newspaper... no, really let them know.... write a letter to the editor on how nice Ubuntu is
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> so other folks will say, hey... maybe there is something better than windows for most stuff
[06:41] <DShepherd> so upgrading from edgy to feisty should be saner this time?
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:41] <torshido> we are having an installfest all over Latin America, this 28th
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> very nice
[06:41] <torshido> Flisol 2007: http://www.installfest.info/
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> i run into people who I never would think use Linux... and they run... Ubuntu!
[06:42] <torshido> do you think Feisty will be ready on time for this event?
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> i expect so...
[06:42] <ferret_0567_> I'm using GDM. When I click "Log out..." in Kubuntu, it only shows the "Log Out" button
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> the package updates keep slowing down to a trickle now
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ferret_0567_, have you restarted?
[06:43] <ferret_0567_> Yes
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> that is something i've seen too...
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> using the update manager....
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> i think there are some weee buggers with having gdm while running kde
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> but that is just my narrow vision...
[06:44] <ferret_0567_> And, it worked in Edgy
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> its working for me now... but i switched to kdm instead of gdm
[06:45] <seamus7> I now triple boot Feisty, Edgy and Vista ... I wonder how long before I can just wipe my Edgy partition and stick with Feisty? Do you think it would be mad to make the full switch now?
[06:45] <dystopianray> bloody hell this new kubuntu partitioner is horrible
[06:45] <ferret_0567_> Nope
[06:45] <RAOF> seamus7: Yeah, as long as you've got a livecd handy should something absolutely crazy happen.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:46] <ferret_0567_> Yeah, actually
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> good idea
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> like wild kernel downgrade, err i mean upgrade
[06:47] <seamus7> RAOF: hmm Feisty is working so nicely that I feel compelled to move to it asap
[06:47] <dystopianray> anyone else with intel graphics noticing that their laptop screen turns on when the mouse is moved, despite the lid being closed?
[06:50] <nomasteryoda> ya,  mine does that... but i use the suspend to ram mode now... and its not doing it... =D
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> that now works on feisty
[06:51] <dystopianray> well of course the screen isn't going to turn on when the machine is sleeping
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> my bluetooth mouse also works... but i had to do a little tweak to the config file to make it stick.. i power down and back up with the mouse . still finds it
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> its not a bug, its a feature =/
[06:52] <dystopianray> well it allows the screen to come back to life when the lid is closed and opened
[06:52] <Centaur5> Is it a known problem for nvidia drivers to have a problem with Feisty right now?
[06:53] <dystopianray> but it shouldn't turn the screen on when the lid is closed
[06:53] <RAOF> Centaur5: No?  What is your problem?
[06:54] <Centaur5> RAOF: Well I just installed nvidia-glx today and xorg.conf has the nvidia driver configured to use but glxgears can't run
[06:54] <RAOF> Centaur5: Did you reboot after installing the driver?  *How* did you install the driver?
[06:55] <Centaur5> yes, cause I also upgraded to the new kernel through the updates right before
[06:55] <Centaur5> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:55] <Centaur5> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:55] <Maithai> are there any known issues with amd64 4000+ on a gigabyte k8nf9 ultra ?
[06:56] <RAOF> And how did you install the drivers?  With the restricted manager?
[06:56] <Centaur5> synaptic
[06:56] <Maithai> because i wasn't able to either start or install ubuntu/kubuntu 5.10 - 7.04
[06:56] <Centaur5> I just looked at the restricted manager and it shows that my nvidia drivers are in use.
[06:57] <RAOF> Maithai: It's possible you need to boot with noacpi and friends, because your bios is broken.
[06:57] <Maithai> uhm...
[06:57] <RAOF> Centaur5: nvidia-glx, or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[06:57] <binskipy2u> 2 more days till fiesty
[06:57] <jdrake> Is the release so far on track for tomorrow (or close to)?
[06:57] <binskipy2u> woohoo
[06:57] <Maithai> what do you mean with "broken" ?
[06:58] <RAOF> Maithai: As in "it is not standards-compliant, and the kernel doesn't have an explicit work around for it"
[06:58] <Centaur5> RAOF: It wasn't the lecagy
[06:58] <Maithai> oh okay
[06:58] <Maithai> i'll try that one then :)
[06:58] <Maithai> be right back in a few
[06:58] <RAOF> Centaur5: Hm, I'm off, but pastebinning your /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be helpful.
[06:59] <Centaur5> okay, I'll do that
[06:59] <Centaur5> Who should I have check it out?
[07:04] <shirish> dystopianray: you still around?
[07:04] <dystopianray> shirish: yes
[07:05] <shirish> ok I'm having trouble finding this terminus font to use in the gnome-terminal, any ideas?
[07:05] <dystopianray> shirish: no, sorry
[07:06] <shirish> dystopianray: can u install it
[07:06] <dystopianray> shirish: i don't have access to a feisty machine right now
[07:07] <shirish> dystopianray: ah ok what are u on then anyway?
[07:07] <dystopianray> shirish: edgy
[07:07] <shirish> ah ok, cool
[07:08] <dystopianray> i am backing up my data before installing feisty
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: you in the process of upgrading it or studying the options?
[07:08] <HorizonXP> anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?
[07:08] <shirish> dystopianray: thought so, hopefully it becomes a smooth ride for you.
[07:11] <dystopianray> I think I will write a patch before installing feisty though
[07:13] <acidtabs> is feisty comming out tommarow?
[07:14] <dystopianray> acidtabs: apparently
[07:14] <acidtabs> just wondering sigh
[07:14] <Toma-> acidtabs: "week of the 19th"
[07:15] <Toma-> not at 12am on the 19th :)
[07:15] <Tomcat_> If no big bugs are found in the RC candidate... why not? :o
[07:15] <acidtabs> ok thx for the tip
[07:16] <sanityx> I can't seem to get Feisty to boot at all.
[07:16] <sanityx> I just get a black screen after a while.
[07:16] <sanityx> i can even eject the cd
[07:17] <dystopianray> sanityx: the livecd locks the cdrom so you can't eject it
[07:17] <sanityx> dystopianray, yes. i know that.
[07:17] <sanityx> but i boot off the cd
[07:17] <sanityx> and then i hit enter and it starts booting
[07:17] <sanityx> and then eventually
[07:17] <sanityx> i just get a black screen and the cd light goes off and i can eject it
[07:18] <dystopianray> sanityx: at what point does it fail and are there any error messages?
[07:18] <dystopianray> oh you can eject
[07:18] <sanityx> There's an error about a buggy bios. But I can boot 6.10 and 6.06 just fine.
[07:19] <sanityx> And other people are reporitng feisty booting fine with the same laptop :-(
[07:20] <mistone> I just got the -15 kernel and now when I pop in my SD card into my intergrated card reader it mounts as read only
[07:20] <mistone> halp?
[07:22] <dystopianray> mistone: sdhci card reader?
[07:22] <sanityx> this is really fustrating me
[07:22] <HorizonXP> anyone know why on bootup, network manager says i'm connected to my university wireless network, but really isn't?
[07:22] <sanityx> i know the disk is good too because it boots in vmware
[07:22] <mistone> dystopianray:  how do I check?
[07:22] <dystopianray> HorizonXP: are you sure you aren't?
[07:22] <^^kalm> Hey, i'm finding Feisty unusually slow (compared to Edgy for example)
[07:22] <dystopianray> mistone: dmesg | grep -i sdhci should tell you
[07:23] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: run top and see if any processes are consuming lots of cpu
[07:23] <mistone> dystopianray: that returned nothing
[07:23] <HorizonXP> dystopianray: positive; i have no IP address, and Firefox doesn't go to my uni's wireless logon page
[07:23] <sanityx> oooo theres a new bios for my system
[07:23] <sanityx> yay!
[07:24] <dystopianray> mistone: ok so you must have some other type of card reader
[07:24] <mistone> its scsi not shci
[07:24] <mistone> or whatever you said
[07:24] <mistone>  scsi 4:0:0:2: Direct-Access     Generic- SD/MMC           1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[07:25] <mistone> it worked perfect before
[07:25] <mistone> I dunno exactly when it changed
[07:25] <mistone> but recently
[07:25] <dystopianray> i only have a sdhci reader which i was going to test if you had one
[07:25] <sanityx> if i cant get feisty to boot im going to freak
[07:26] <mistone> OH
[07:26] <mistone> I think I fail at life
[07:26] <dystopianray> mistone: read-only switch was set on the card?
[07:26] <mistone> let me see if I had the lock thing on
[07:26] <mistone> yea
[07:27] <mistone> oh btw my cmoputer keeps randomly freezing its either beryl or the low-latency kernel + realtime preemtion module
[07:28] <dystopianray> mistone: try to reproduce with a normal kernel
[07:28] <mistone> yea I will test that out
[07:29] <mistone> AH
[07:29] <mistone> that lock thinge was being stoopi
[07:29] <mistone> d
[07:29] <mistone> lol
[07:29] <mistone> I fail at life
[07:30] <dystopianray> i wonder if the lock can be detected via software and it could warn you that it is set
[07:30] <mistone> maybe
[07:30] <mistone> yea in the dmesg it says:
[07:30] <mistone> sdd: Write Protect is off
[07:30] <mistone> and sdd: Write Protect is on
[07:30] <mistone> thats how I figured it out
[07:31] <dystopianray> i wonder if hal exports that information
[07:39] <sanityx> I can't seem to get fiesty booted. It just goes to a black screen. cd-read light goes off eventually too
[07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: so it doesnt boot AT ALL... nothing comes up
[07:41] <sanityx> Ok
[07:41] <sanityx> I boot off the cd
[07:41] <sanityx> I get the menu
[07:41] <dystopianray> sanityx: do previous releaes or any other distros boot?
[07:41] <sanityx> dystopianray, Yes, 6.10, 6.06
[07:41] <dystopianray> sanityx: are there any error messages?
[07:41] <^^kalm> sanityx: you may wanna try and reburn the iso
[07:41] <sanityx> I have reburned the ISO 3 times now
[07:41] <sanityx> i boot off the cd
[07:42] <^^kalm> sanityx: ah
[07:42] <dystopianray> sanityx: have you verified the md5sum of the iso?
[07:42] <sanityx> then i start the fesisty boot process with the first menu option.
[07:42] <sanityx> no. but ive downloaded it twice as well. how likely is it a bad iso
[07:42] <sanityx> palso
[07:42] <sanityx> also
[07:42] <sanityx> the iso boots just fine in vmware
[07:42] <dystopianray> sanityx: depends on your burner, md5sum the cd and iso
[07:43] <sanityx> md5sum it even though it boots in vmware?
[07:43] <dystopianray> sanityx: does the physical cd boot in vmware?
[07:43] <sanityx> yes.
[07:43] <dystopianray> well do it anyway
[07:43] <sanityx> ...
[07:43] <sanityx> But it boots.
[07:44] <^^kalm> and on a separate subject... how do you check md5sums ? :D (i've never done it before)
[07:44] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: md5sum /some/file
[07:44] <dystopianray> sanityx: which cd you are you using to install?
[07:45] <sanityx> the regular desktop i386 disc
[07:45] <dystopianray> sanityx: which one
[07:45] <sanityx> the one they wanted people to test as a possible release candidate
[07:45] <dystopianray> ok
[07:45] <^^kalm> beta?
[07:45] <sanityx> no.
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> i recommend the alternate... i had issues with the i386 feisty beta ... but not with the alternate
[07:46] <sanityx> im not going to just use the alternate though. if i install with that and then it doesnt boot . . .
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> no matter the download site , burn speed, ..
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> that's weird
[07:46] <^^kalm> Im doing just fine with 7.04b (altough i do find it a tad slow)
[07:46] <sanityx> also other people report 7.04 booting just fine on my laptop model.
[07:46] <dystopianray> ^^kalm: you haven't updated?
[07:46] <sanityx> but my laptop works fine because everything else boots just fine including 6.06 and 6.10
[07:46] <dystopianray> sanityx: do they have the same hardware though?
[07:47] <sanityx> possilby not.
[07:47] <^^kalm> dystopianray: im updating right now... half-way through :)
[07:47] <Maithai> i cant either install 5.10, 6.06 and 7.04
[07:47] <melaren> anyone know the final status with ralink (i.e. rt2500) cards and network manager?  ...are they going to work together or will we have to remove nm?
[07:48] <^^kalm> melaren: i my self use rt61, and as it seems it works just fine with 7.04b :) it was preinsalled and everything (surprise)
[07:49] <melaren> ^^kalm: nice!
[07:49] <sanityx> grr at 7.04
[07:49] <Maithai> 5.10 and 6.06 are just freezing with something looking like a pixel error.. and 7.04 the screen just blacks out and dvd-drive stops working..
[07:49] <^^kalm> sanityx: :)
[07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: at what stage?
[07:50] <Maithai> uhm 5.10 and 6.06 showing the status bar while booting the cd
[07:50] <Maithai> and when it should go to desktop
[07:50] <Maithai> it freezes
[07:50] <^^kalm> Maithai: You use a laptop?
[07:50] <Maithai> 7.04 just freezes right after i selected "install or boot from cd"
[07:51] <Maithai> nope i'm on a desktop computer
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: ah
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: Sorry, i don't think i can help you much :)
[07:51] <Maithai> :(
[07:51] <Maithai> thanks anyways :)
[07:51] <^^kalm> Maithai: XD
[07:51] <Maithai> thats so weird...
[07:52] <Maithai> i even tried the acpi stuff etc..
[07:52] <dystopianray> Maithai: what hardware do you have?
[07:52] <Maithai> amd64 4000+
[07:52] <Maithai> on a gigabyte k8nf 9 ultra
[07:52] <^^kalm> Maithai: its just that.. if yo'd had a laptop, you could have removed all the "unusual" hardware like wifi cards, etc
[07:52] <dystopianray> Maithai: what hardware does that board have?
[07:52] <Maithai> uhm...
[07:53] <Maithai> you mean like pci-cards ?
[07:53] <mistone> I have a amd64 X2 3800 and it works great
[07:53] <mistone> besides it randomly freezing once in a while
[07:53] <dystopianray> Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does it have?
[07:53] <dystopianray> Maithai: is it an nforce board?
[07:53] <Maithai> nforce 4
[07:53] <Maithai> the ultra one
[07:54] <Maithai> i checked md5sum already
[07:54] <Maithai> cd seems to be ok
[07:54] <dystopianray> Maithai: what sata and ide controllers does it have?
[07:54] <consty> I got the same problem on an old Compaq computer as well.  Though I believe it was because I had < 256MB ram which is probably your problem maybe?  If you're using onboard graphics its important to remember you probably have 192MB ram or less, and the standard install cd wont work.
[07:54] <Maithai> i got 1024mb ram here and a pci-express radeon x800 pro
[07:55] <consty> damn, guess that's out.
[07:55] <dystopianray> Maithai: have you tried booting the safe graphics mode?
[07:55] <Maithai> yes
[07:55] <Maithai> fails too
[07:55] <Maithai> at the same step
[07:55] <dystopianray> Maithai: what ide and sata controllers does the board have?
[07:55] <mistone> did you do 64 bit version ?
[07:55] <Maithai> yes i tried the 64bit
[07:55] <mistone> yea you gotta use that
[07:55] <Maithai> it has some nforce 4 sata and ide controllers
[07:56] <dystopianray> Maithai: find out the specific models
[07:56] <phrizek> anyone know if feisty is getting a new default theme?
[07:56] <dystopianray> mistone: you don't need to use the 64-bit version
[07:56] <mistone> oh
[07:56] <dystopianray> phrizek: whatever it has now is final
[07:56] <mistone> should anyway
[07:56] <dystopianray> mistone: why? it just makes life difficult unless you have a specific reason to use a 64-bit OS
[07:57] <darx> my cpu doesn't scale properly details http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2472453#post2472453 is it possible to load a custom freq_table module and if yes which one and how :-/
[07:57] <^^kalm> mistone: especially on Linux
[07:57] <mistone> I thought it signafictanly improved the proframance
[07:58] <dystopianray> mistone: no
[07:58] <mistone> I haven't had any troubles
[07:58] <mistone> you would think it would...
[07:58] <dystopianray> mistone: it can potentially increase performance, but in most cases the difference is negligible
[07:59] <mistone> thats crazy wierd
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: why?
[07:59] <mistone> why do they have 64 bit then
[07:59] <Maithai> cause they can make some money with it
[07:59] <^^kalm> ...
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: becuase it has other benefits
[07:59] <Maithai> same as x2
[07:59] <dystopianray> mistone: such as being able to use >64GB of ram
[07:59] <sanityx> mistone, Because there CAN be benifits.
[07:59] <sanityx> Actually its >4gb ram
[08:00] <mistone> lol
[08:00] <mistone> 64 gigs of ram
[08:00] <dystopianray> it is 64GB, using PAE
[08:00] <mistone> thats only a few years away I guess
[08:00] <dystopianray> which all modern cpus support
[08:00] <sanityx> yes but greater than 4.
[08:00] <Maithai> hooray for windows ^^
[08:00] <sanityx> ??
[08:00] <dystopianray> sanityx: modern 32-bit cpus can address up to 64GB of ram using PAE
[08:00] <Maithai> that sucks heaps..
[08:00] <^^kalm> a bit random
[08:00] <sanityx> ooo ok
[08:00] <Maithai> i dont even want windows..
[08:00] <sanityx> Just windows cant. haha.
[08:00] <dystopianray> sanityx: windows can
[08:01] <Maithai> but i cant get ubuntu installed on this machine..
[08:01] <Maithai> :x
[08:01] <sanityx> Not according to microsoft. At least not in windows XP
[08:01] <dystopianray> sanityx: it can since windows 2k
[08:01] <^^kalm> Maithai: if it indeed is an issue with Ubuntu as is... switch distro :)
[08:01] <mistone> oh yea another thing that is kinda annoying is I have this headphone jack in the front of my computer that is supposed to mute the regluar sound when something gets plugged into it
[08:02] <mistone> I get sound out the headphone jack it just doesn't mute the speakers
[08:02] <^^kalm> Maithai: Ubuntu is great, but if it REALLY doesn't work, why bother? There are other great distros aswell
[08:02] <kbidd> from the ubuntu website, it says that its being released tomorrow, but there are rumors on #ubuntu that the release has been delayed... can anyone confirm/deny these rumors?
[08:02] <Maithai> i really like ubuntu.. i had it running on my old comp..
[08:02] <mistone> I wouldn't use any other distro
[08:02] <mistone> well maybe tweaked out debian
[08:02] <Maithai> and it ran so well.. oh yeah.. and i'm used to it now.. so i would screw debian or stuff maybe..
[08:03] <sanityx> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx
[08:03] <kbidd> mistone, i like debian... running it on my other comp
[08:03] <darx> mistone: the settings for mic and speaker are different and can be adjusted accordingly
[08:03] <sanityx> on this page
[08:03] <sanityx> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx
[08:03] <sanityx> it says 32 bit windows can only address 4gb
[08:03] <^^kalm> debian isnt that great for a desktop user, is it?
[08:03] <sanityx> oh wait. im retarded.
[08:03] <Maithai> i dont think so
[08:03] <dystopianray> sanityx: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx
[08:04] <RAOF> However, PAE incurrs a performance penalty.
[08:04] <mistone> I was under the impression if you compile 64 bit stuff it would help proformence
[08:04] <dystopianray> mistone: it can, but usually has little difference
[08:04] <mistone> windows is completely useles in 64 bit
[08:04] <RawSewage> how many hours to release
[08:05] <dystopianray> mistone: most of 64-bit windows is 32-bit
[08:05] <mistone> yea
[08:05] <RAOF> x86-64 *does* improve performance (about 30% on average in A/V stuff, can be much better).
[08:05] <kbidd> is the release still tomorrow, or did it get pushed back (rumors on #ubuntu say its released on the 28th now)
[08:05] <mistone> dude who cares
[08:05] <Patrick_> hey guys, just upgraded a fresh installation of edgy amd64 to feisty amd64 now I cant seem to see my wifi connection?? Im using a laptop
[08:05] <RawSewage> 28th?
[08:05] <RAOF> However, since you're not using anywhere *near* the capacity of a modern processor in normal desktop usage, you won't see any real benefit normally.
[08:06] <mistone> wutt I play games
[08:06] <sanityx> Would there be a benifit in compiling speed?
[08:06] <dystopianray> kbidd: any official information you can see in the topic
[08:06] <RAOF> sanityx: Yes.
[08:06] <mistone> but those aren't compiled for 64 bit anyway
[08:06] <kbidd> dystopianray, thanks, just wanted to make sure the topic wasn't just late in getting updated.
[08:07] <RawSewage> Is Feisty coming out tomorrow
[08:07] <dystopianray> RawSewage: we don't know, read the topic and you'll know as much as we do
[08:07] <RawSewage> ok
[08:07] <kbidd> topic still says tomorrow, so i guess were good :P
[08:07] <RawSewage> it says the week of Apr 19
[08:07] <sanityx> hopefully tomorrow it will boot
[08:07] <kbidd> as long as its not just a delay in updating the topic
[08:08] <Patrick_> can anyone help me get my wifi to work on my laptop
[08:08] <kbidd> Patrick_, are there linux drivers for your wifi card?  If not, you will need to use something like ndiswrapper
[08:09] <Patrick_> kbidd, how do I check to see what the wifi card is called
[08:09] <kbidd> Patrick_, you can look for it in a lspci | less
[08:09] <mistone> network manager was messing with my connection
[08:10] <sanityx> grr
[08:10] <sanityx> i need to get a faster intarnets
[08:10] <^^kalm> What? AS IF Ubuntu 7.04 is coming out tomorrow :P ... i mean i only downloaded the beta and installed it 2 days ago...
[08:10] <mistone> hehe interbutt
[08:10] <RawSewage> the RC was cancelled
[08:10] <sanityx> 3 megabits just doesn't cut it anymore
[08:10] <mistone> pft
[08:10] <mistone> mine is 300 kb/s
[08:10] <RawSewage> cancelling the RC implies an ontime release
[08:10] <mistone> still on wifi b :P
[08:10] <sanityx> mistone, I get about 350 KB/s on 3 megabits
[08:11] <mistone> yea
[08:11] <sanityx> I'm going to get cable once i move, or FiOS if its availible
[08:11] <mistone> I got cable
[08:11] <mistone> its just my wifi is retarded
[08:11] <sanityx> You only have 2.5 megabits on cable?
[08:11] <sanityx> my gf has cable and she gets like 15 megabits
[08:11] <basvg> hey all.. I upgraded edgy -> feisty yesterday (smooth install, everything seems to work). When I booted this morning an error flashed bye about /etc/resolv and libc ... but couldn't find anything in /var/log afterwards. Any clues?
[08:11] <kbidd> ive got FiOS at home in maryland... its REALLY nice
[08:11] <sanityx> about 1 megabyte per second down
[08:11] <kbidd> miss it here at school
[08:11] <sanityx> kbidd, Whats your max downspeed? Like 3 megabytes per second?
[08:11] <^^kalm> RawSewage: But i hope there wont be many "important" fixes, etc on the real 7.04, 7.04b is just so cozy
[08:12] <kbidd> sanityx, on FiOS in maryland, yeah... i only have comcast here though, so nowhere near that :(
[08:12] <sanityx> kbidd, I live in new york city, where its not so easy to lay fiber.
[08:13] <dystopianray> i have 1.5mbit adsl
[08:13] <sanityx> Well, I guess if 7.04 doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll just switch from 6.10 to 6.06 and use that until 7.10 comes out.
[08:13] <sanityx> That way I'll have suppor
[08:13] <sanityx> support
[08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: 7.10 huh?
[08:13] <sanityx> gusty gibbon
[08:13] <consty> Anyone have a guess what time 7.04 will be available?
[08:13] <^^kalm> sanityx: thats gonna take a while
[08:13] <sanityx> whatever version number its gonna have
[08:14] <sanityx> ^^kalm, not really, another 6 months.
[08:14] <RawSewage> Gutsy
[08:14] <mistone> Who cares exactly what time it will b out
[08:14] <dystopianray> sanityx: better yet, file a bug report so devs are aware of your problem
[08:14] <mistone> hehe /b/
[08:14] <consty> mistone: Well obviously I do considering I asked. :)
[08:14] <sanityx> dystopianray, Its probably not a bug though. The intarnets say that other ppl with my laptop can boot 7.04
[08:14] <dystopianray> sanityx: not booting sounds like a bug to me
[08:14] <sanityx> Although they might have a sempron, or less ram, or something
[08:15] <sanityx> Ok well if it doesn't boot tomorrow, I'll file a bug.
[08:15] <dystopianray> sanityx: are you using the latest daily livecd? the release probably won't have any changes
[08:16] <sanityx> no, but im downloading the latest daily alternate right now
[08:17] <mistone> ok this random freezing is getting annoying
[08:17] <mistone> Oh
[08:18] <mistone> its beryl
[08:18] <mistone> er
[08:18] <mistone> in dmesg I get : [ 2374.318272]  rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz.
[08:18] <mistone>  * 200
[08:18] <^^kalm> beryl, compiz, etc is just plain "eye-candy" and as such, worthless
[08:18] <mistone> WUT
[08:18] <mistone> beryl is awesome
[08:19] <^^kalm> it just looks good...
[08:19] <mistone> its all on the graphics card so  it takes up little resources
[08:20] <RAOF> ^^kalm: You obviously don't use "scale" a lot :P
[08:21] <^^kalm_> no
[08:21] <basvg> does anyone here know a fix for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272117&highlight=resolv+libc ?
[08:22] <^^kalm_> it went quiet
[08:22] <mistone> how do I disable suppense mode on my hardrive
[08:22] <mistone> apprently that causes the   rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz. problem
[08:23] <^^kalm_> ah, update requires system restart.... bye
[08:23] <dystopianray> mistone: beryl consumes graphics resources and not all graphics cards have much onboard ram
[08:24] <RAOF> 32Mb of ram seems ample for some people.
[08:25] <mistone> so
[08:25] <mistone> mine has 128 + shared
[08:25] <mistone> its plenty
[08:25] <mistone> and when I want to play games I go to shitdows anyway
[08:26] <dystopianray> shitdows?
[08:28] <sanityx> I have never heard of that operating system.
[08:28] <sanityx> What is this thing you call "shitdows"?
[08:28] <sanityx> And where can I procure it?
[08:29] <RAOF> !ohmy
[08:29] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:30] <nizo> hi all
[08:31] <nizo> i need some information about postfix e-mail
[08:31] <nizo> can any one help
[08:32] <basvg> hmm, found the problem. /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc exits with returncode 1
[08:32] <mistone> oh my .max-user-freq was set to 64 lol
[08:32] <mistone> that should fix that
[08:40] <slackern> Is it just me that gets the feeling of that 7.04 is faster than 6.10? Can't put my finger on what it is but everything feels snappier, starts quicker etc
[08:41] <RAOF> slackern: That'd be the new Gnome release, probably.  Each Gnome release is faster, and uses less memory :)
[08:41] <jml> RAOF: serious?
[08:41] <RAOF> jml: Pretty much.  That's been one of the big things with the last couple of Gnome releses - hunting down memory & performance bottlenecs.
[08:41] <mistone> slackern: opening programs should be faster to
[08:42] <RAOF> jml: Also, Cairo is getting a lot of performance love.
[08:42] <mistone> it uses that gnu preloader thinge
[08:42] <slackern> RAOF, i remember that 5.10 or 5.04 felt quite fast when running Gnome but all of a sudden it started feeling sluggish
[08:42] <jml> RAOF: I had no idea. That's awesome.
[08:42] <RAOF> jml: Yeah :)
[08:42] <Jordan_U> Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )
[08:42] <slackern> RAOF, i mean after going from 5.04/5.10 to the 6.xx releases
[08:43] <mistone> also : " Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running prelink."
[08:43] <slackern> That must be it then i guess, KDE and XFCE always felt snappier i must confess but now i can't really say i see any difference any longer.
[08:44] <sanity_x> I find KDE so ugly compared to gnome
[08:44] <slackern> I guess the ati drivers are working better now too
[08:44] <RAOF> slackern: If you mean the open-source drivers, then *yes*.
[08:44] <dystopianray> sanityx: i find gnome to be incredibly ugly compared to kde
[08:45] <sanity_x> KDE looks all jagged to me, not to mention I don't like the general Qt look
[08:45] <dystopianray> sanityx: gnome only has one colour scheme, brown
[08:45] <slackern> RAOF, im using the restricted packages now since i got a ATi X1950Pro card and the other ones didnt work so good, was a bit sluggish and human colour in movies and such turned to blue :)
[08:45] <sanity_x> I like brown,
[08:45] <Jordan_U> I love the gnome-look but you can't beat the QT toolkit
[08:45] <RAOF> dystopianray: You *are* joking, right?
[08:46] <dystopianray> RAOF: no i'm serious, even when you change the gnome colours it still has a brownness to it
[08:46] <HorizonXP> hey
[08:46] <slackern> What i love about kde is that it has alot of applications and it feels like everything is knitted togheter better.
[08:46] <mistone> wut
[08:46] <HorizonXP> how can i manually configure my xorg.conf to use two separate X screens?
[08:46] <HorizonXP> because my Nvidia-settings doesn't seem to save the config file
[08:46] <dystopianray> RAOF: adn i'm talking about vanilla gnome, not ubuntu's brown theme
[08:46] <RAOF> slackern: Really?  I feel exactly the opposite.
[08:47] <RAOF> dystopianray: You've tried some crazy themes, then.   Its still ugly.
[08:48] <Jordan_U> Is there an equivalent of Edgy's software-properties -e universe / multiverse in Feisty? ( it is very nice for making cut and paste instructions )
[08:48] <RAOF> I like kopete's "iChat" like speech bubble theme.
[08:48] <dystopianray> not as ugly as gaim
[08:48] <sanity_x> Gaim looks great
[08:48] <sanity_x> I love gaim
[08:48] <dystopianray> gaim is the definition of ugly
[08:48] <sanity_x> sure it is.
[08:48] <slackern> rofl
[08:48] <HorizonXP> running nvidia-settings in a console
[08:49] <HorizonXP> shows that it can't determine valid sync ranges for my laptop's LCD
[08:49] <DarkMageZ> gaim is truly the definition of ugly... kopete is prittier... but still fails.
[08:49] <sanity_x> Sure it is.
[08:49] <kbidd> is beryl build in in 7.04?
[08:49] <slackern> But im still new to this kde/gnome business, only way that i could use a linux machine before without going crazy was with windowmaker or fluxbox
[08:50] <dystopianray> DarkMageZ: I don't think there are any good multi-network im clients on linux, they're all largely crap
[08:50] <slackern> Just being able to browse to another networked machine makes me happy :)
[08:50] <sanity_x> i love gaim
[08:50] <sanity_x> besides what does windows have?
[08:50] <sanity_x> trillian? dont make me laugh
[08:50] <slackern> I usually use Miranda in windows
[08:50] <sanity_x> Now THAT is an ugly client.
[08:50] <sanity_x> And im speaking of miranda.
[08:50] <sanity_x> Its far uglier than either gaim or kopete
[08:50] <DarkMageZ> dystopianray, gaim is ok. kopete is ok. but they're still ugly
[08:51] <slackern> hehe i usually clean it out to the max with black background and green color for online red for offline and orange for dnd and such :)
[08:51] <slackern> looks like an old bbs system :)
[08:52] <dystopianray> kopete and gaim need better jabber support
[08:53] <Jordan_U> http://www.adiumx.com/screenshots/
[08:55] <jml> yeah
[08:55] <jml> adium is awesome
[08:55] <dystopianray> does anyone know how ubuntu plans to support hybrid drives?
[08:55] <RAOF> Probably by waiting for the kernel to support them?
[08:56] <dystopianray> RAOF: yes but what then?
[08:56] <RAOF> I don't know.  What do you mean by "support"?
[08:56] <dystopianray> how will ubuntu use the flash component
[08:57] <K`zan> Anyone know how to inset a carrage return in a regular expression?
[08:57] <RAOF> dystopianray: No idea, but it'll probably be a kernel-level thing.  What is the flash component meant to do, anyway?
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: afaik it's just another place you can put data
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: could be anything from hibernate images to frequently used packages
[08:58] <dystopianray> RAOF: and accessing it won't spin up the drive
[08:58] <RAOF> Isn't flash substantially slower than HDD?
[08:59] <dystopianray> RAOF: I don't think so
[08:59] <RAOF> Particularly write speeds?
[08:59] <dystopianray> RAOF: it's not supposed to be frequently written to