[00:01] <nhaines> hiatus: I'm sorry you're frustrated.  I know how annoying it can be to use your computer but not have it respond the way you need it to.
[00:02] <nhaines> Choosing "Ubuntu Classic" from GDM will reenable the classic GNOME Panel interface on Ubuntu 11.04.  This setting should stay until you change it again.
[00:12] <Boardinary> lol
[00:17] <nhaines> hiatus1: I'm sorry you're frustrated.  I know how annoying it can be to use your computer but not have it respond the way you need it to.
[00:17] <nhaines> Choosing "Ubuntu Classic" from GDM will reenable the classic GNOME Panel interface on Ubuntu 11.04.  This setting should stay until you change it again.
[00:17] <hiatus1> man, no, I do man. I do
[00:18] <hiatus1> I freaked out when I checked out gnome 3 and it had all the things I hated about unity in it
[00:18] <nhaines> And thank you for using Unity and sharing your thoughts on it here with us.
[00:20] <nhaines> Yes, GNOME Shell has a lot of the same design philosophy.
[00:21] <hiatus1> see, the thing is. I used to set up gnome to look similarly to unity.  if I could turn the ubuntu icon into a regular main menu. put the file, edit, etc. right after that. And following the file, edit stuff put the windows list. I would be happy.
[00:21] <hiatus1> or at least have a windows selector in the unity panel and keep all the application menu options in the top taskbar
[00:21] <hiatus1> happy
[00:22] <nhaines> There is a global application menu you can add to the GNOME Panels.
[00:22] <nhaines> That used to be the default but there was a lot of negative feedback that most users wanted "Ubuntu Classic" to emulate Ubuntu 10.10 as closely as possible, so that was reverted.
[00:23] <Boardinary> The only beef I have with unity is that the workspace switcher should combine expo and scale together.
[00:23] <hiatus1> I never actually use workplace switcher
[00:23] <nhaines> Boardinary: It's very useful but it doesn't scale with tons of windows.
[00:23] <Boardinary> nhaines, I agree, but that is why we have 4 desktops
[00:23] <nhaines> (That is, it's very useful if you're using a couple windows per app at the most, but perhaps less useful as that increases.)
[00:24] <Boardinary> I guess, your argument still applies to the current workspace switcher
[00:25] <nhaines> As I recall, clicking a launcher icon will expose all windows across all desktops.
[00:25] <hiatus1> i really hate searching for my apps though. it just wastes so much time. I mean, could you imagine how much more ineffectual it would be to type all your apps in on your cellphone? this is a throwback from the 80's that needs to be killed
[00:25] <hiatus1> I mean, if I'm typing everything in anyway, why not just use the terminal?
[00:26] <Boardinary> hiatus1, you only need to type the first couple of lettters usually
[00:26] <nhaines> hiatus1: you just have to type enough to get a unique match.
[00:26] <nhaines> And sometimes not even that.  I've found (to my surprise) that I can launch things faster than before.
[00:26] <Boardinary> hiatus1, you can usually do it one handed
[00:27] <Boardinary> it absolutely is faster if you know what you want.  If you don't know what you want, it is slower - that is an area where unity can improve
[00:27] <nhaines> Drove me crazy the first three days though.  :)
[00:27] <hiatus1> no
[00:27] <hiatus1> no
[00:27] <hiatus1> no
[00:27] <hiatus1> no
[00:28] <nhaines> !enter
[00:28] <hiatus1> I am not going to type in even the beginning of every application I want. Gnome Do (or was it gnome go) had this same feature, and it was cool for some, but most did not use it
[00:28] <Boardinary> nhaines, the single application expo does not really encourage the workspace concept as well as the expo + scale
[00:29] <hiatus1> windows 7, has a way to search for applications, but only by typing in a few keys. No one uses it. Mac osx as well, as a way of searching for applications. No one uses it.
[00:29] <nhaines> hiatus1: the intended use case in Unity is that you pin your most common apps to the launcher and search for the rest.
[00:29] <hiatus1> that only works for people who use a few applications. I develop games. Do you realize how much software I use?
[00:30] <hiatus1> amongst game engines, 3d applications, paint programs, amongst my browsers, media players, and everything else. I would just have a billion pinned applications
[00:31] <nhaines> So I would recommend a desktop manager/shell that is optimized for that type of workflow.
[00:31] <hiatus1> and games is a big deal, You realize how many games people play? Your killing my market to want to develop games for ubuntu because people will not have easy access to them
[00:31] <hiatus1> your shell kills my market
[00:31] <Boardinary> nhaines, the single application scale* does not really encourage the workspace concept as well as the expo + scale
[00:32] <nhaines> hiatus1: That's not what the shell is for.
[00:32] <nhaines> Boardinary: thank you, I read it the first time.
[00:32] <Boardinary> nhaines, I was just correcting my typo
[00:32] <nhaines> ah, okay.  I didn't want you to think I was ignoring.  :)
[00:32] <hiatus1> yeah, I noticed that
[00:33] <nhaines> hiatus1: so that's okay.  Unity will continue to improve but if it's that big a source of pain, you should use Ubuntu Classic (or another desktop environment) and optimize the settings to what you're doing.
[00:33] <nhaines> Maybe Unity will work better for your situation in 11.10 or 12.04, or maybe not.  But you obviously shouldn't use something that breaks your workflow.
[00:34] <hiatus1> yeah, I tried, but I couldn't take it anymore. Unity got way too in the way. Just switching for application to application was a pain in the neck
[00:35] <Boardinary> hiatus1, do you have a mouse with lots of buttons?  I really recommend it.  You can then assign scale and expo to dedicated mouse buttons.
[00:36] <hiatus1> eh, I don't like my mouse really. I need to get a new one... sensitivity is great. but I turn my extra buttons off because I keep bumping into them with my thumb
[00:37] <Boardinary> hiatus1, I have the logitech mx 1100 and I highly recommend it.
[00:37] <hiatus1> but, thats another issue. Things like the searchbar are going to great a huge amount of problems for third party applications and game developers
[00:39] <hiatus1> we do not have much of a presence in the unity shell. I develop for mainly cellphones, but I was working on a multi platform game using unreal and blender and I really dont think there will be much presence for installable games in unity
[00:42] <hiatus1> I mean, the whole workspace is assuming you are only launching a few favorite applications. while most steam users have a multiple of games that they keep installed. Do you expect everyone to pin every game they play?
[00:43] <Boardinary> hiatus, it takes less time to hit super+ca to get a came like call of duty to show up
[00:44] <Boardinary> I know with gnome 2, I had to go to applications, wine, programs, game publisher, call of duty
[00:45] <nhaines> With Unity, it'd be <Super> "C-A-L-L"
[00:45] <hiatus1> hotkeys are only for neckbeards, surem they are easier. but casual users do not use them
[00:45] <nhaines> Although I actually just launch Steam and pick the game I want from there, usually.
[00:45] <Boardinary> not even, might even be ca and it will show up
[00:45] <nhaines> Boardinary: calculator?  :)
[00:45] <Boardinary> yeah but you will see call of duty next to it
[00:45] <hiatus1> i mean, if hotkeys were so simple to use. Everyone would be using emacs
[00:46] <nhaines> One might also argue that no one could turn on their computer because it requires a dedicated button.
[00:46] <hiatus1> huh?
[00:47] <Boardinary> emacs is not simple to use, pressing super plus the first letter of a program is
[00:47] <hiatus1> I know, I used emacs before. Took me awhile to figure out that Super pressed down, and super pressed up are two different things
[00:49] <hiatus1> no, this just reminds me of eben moglens speech about how he hated the apple lisa when he reviewed it for ibm. He hated it because it was point and grunt and said that it was a tragedy and the end of language but he also said that that was a losing argument. that people liked the "point and grunt" interface and unity seems a step backwards from that
[00:50] <hiatus1> well, anyway. if you type in "torrent" you dont get anything in unity. seems like a bug
[00:51] <Boardinary> yeah, gotta type bit
[00:51] <nhaines> hiatus1: it probably is.  File a bug against Transmission and perhaps the package description can be updated.
[00:52] <Boardinary> I also think that there needs to be some kind of indicator manager
[00:54] <nhaines> Yeah, that's not very well-defined at the moment.
[00:54] <hiatus1> I will later, I'm working on something at the moment
[00:54] <Boardinary> the thing I love about the new panel is that the icons don't rearrange at will when changing resolutions
[00:54] <nhaines> hiatus1: it was not a real-time request.  If you can do so later when you're free it would be a big help.
[00:55] <nhaines> Boardinary: isn't that great?  :)  It's fixed in GNOME 3.0, too.
[00:56] <Boardinary> nhaines, i really am shocked and appalled that it took so long to fix that bug.  It was so glaring.
[00:56] <nhaines> Boardinary: it might've been more complicated under the surface than it appeared.  I know it certainly got better before it was fixed.
[00:57] <Boardinary> nhaines, it was one of those OCD triggers everytime I would log in :)
[00:57] <nhaines> haha :)
[00:57] <hiatus1> yeah, rearranging panel icons was very annoying
[00:58] <Boardinary> I was reading in /r/linux that mutter may have better performance than compiz.  Is that the case now?  I know it wasn't last cycle.
[00:59] <hiatus1> lmao, my one musician tried to make normal music. and it ended up sounding like metroid
[00:59] <nhaines> That I don't know.  I know it certainly wasn't the case last cycle either.
[00:59] <hiatus1> props to her using lmms though
[01:00] <Boardinary> There is a lot of unity hate in /r/linux so I don't know how objective it is when it comes to gnome 3 vs unity
[01:01] <hiatus1> i dunno, I checked out gnome 3
[01:02] <hiatus1> it had everything I hated about unity. sooo...
[01:03] <Boardinary> nhaines, do you know anything about Udev-notify and if it will be inplemented into 11.10?
[01:03] <Omega> hiatus1: When you go on your rants, at least try to be somewhat constructive.
[01:04] <Omega> And as for your musician friend: #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:04] <hiatus1> i try, i try. I am not always successful, but I try.
[01:33] <hiatus1> god forbid my off topic comments get in the way of all this conversation ^.^
[07:30] <didrocks> good morning
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:04] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:04] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:40] <apw> does anyone know if i can turn off the F10 behaviour in global menus.  seems to have bound itself to both F10 and End after a keyboard reconfigure, and i have no End now
[08:42] <didrocks> apw: ccsm -> unity plugin -> Key to open the first panel menu
[08:42] <apw> didrocks, thanks
[08:42] <didrocks> yw
[09:54] <hicham> good morning
[10:05] <hicham> hi njpatel
[10:27] <zniavre> good morning
[10:28] <zniavre> with appmenu (the globalmenu thingy) gksu appas are not allowed , there is a way to use this menu with gksu apps please?
[10:28] <zniavre> apps*
[13:48] <andyrock> hi! :) this my new nickname (Andrea Azzarone)
[15:04] <hicham> didrocks: no luck on #compiz-dev either
[16:00] <kenvandine> Cimi, is the theme engine ready to be packaged? i would love to get started on that soon
[16:03] <Cimi> kenvandine: yes
[16:03] <kenvandine> woot
[16:03] <Cimi> kenvandine: though I won't make release and I won't follow branch/reviews thing
[16:03] <Cimi> neither update readme
[16:04] <kenvandine> sure
[16:04] <kenvandine> but it is  a start :)
[16:04] <kenvandine> just point me at a branch
[16:09] <Cimi> kenvandine: lp:unico
[16:09] <kenvandine> thx
[17:04] <dinth> hi
[17:05] <dinth> could somebody explain to me, why indicator-application requires appindicator at ./configure stage when compiling ?
[17:05] <dinth> isnt appindicator same thing ?
[17:19] <dinth> could somebody tell me if appindicator and indicator-application are same thing or not, please ?
[18:29] <Cimi> jjardon: could you mark this branch as abandoned? https://code.launchpad.net/~jjardon/ayatana-scrollbar/fix-72412 to clean up the stuff here :)
[18:40] <smoser> i'm wondering what package/project i should add as "also affects" for the root issue of bug 784055
[18:44] <rickspencer3> hey guys, if I wanted to stop Unity from "recording" for a while, could I just set the mru file and the zeitgeist database to readonly or something?
[18:45] <rickspencer3> I'm picturing an indicator that lets me toggle tracking on and off
[18:48] <smoser> i'm guessing it should be libindicator or indicator-applet
[19:53] <jcastro> rickspencer3: this is the best you can do afaict (unfortunately): http://askubuntu.com/questions/21417/temporarily-stopping-zeitgeist/21448#21448
[19:53] <jcastro> it would be nice to have a desktop-wide "privacy mode" though, like we do for browsers
[20:06] <rickspencer3> jcastro, I think I could just set the mode of hte file to read only
[20:06] <rickspencer3> I'll try it after my break
[21:16] <LLStarks> any good themes i can use on oneiric until murrine or clearlooks is ported to gtk3?
[21:21] <davidcalle> LLStarks, Adwaita?
[21:21] <davidcalle> LLStarks, I've just posted this on the Oneiric+1 forum : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10828712&postcount=15
[21:31] <LLStarks> davidcalle, no adwaita wm
[21:32] <LLStarks> but works good enough i guess
[21:40] <Hooman> Anyone noticed hitting shortcuts that use the windows key too fast loads the launcher?
[21:40] <Hooman> E.g., I use Windows+Arrow keys to move between desktops and this loads the launcher after let go of the keys
[21:41] <Hooman> unless I hold them for a few seconds
[22:18] <vish> maco: it was a MarkDecision™  ;)
[22:19] <maco> magnifying glass != generic symbol for application
[22:19] <maco> i thought it was going to open either compiz ezoom or gnome-mag
[22:20] <vish> maco: i guess it was one of those "best among the options we had" kinda thing
[23:06] <jjardon> Cimi: done
[23:06] <Cimi> jjardon: thx! goodnight


[00:03] <dillon> his laptop threw an error message: "Unable to locate package rtl8821ce-dkms
[00:13] <dillon> I even tried adding a sudo command in front of it but it still said it isn't able to locate package rtl8821ce-dkms
[00:15] <win21>  teste comunication
[00:15] <dillon> ?
[00:16] <win21> I test the communication software
[00:17] <dillon> teste didn't do anything
[00:20] <win21> I download this software to see what it is because I don't know
[00:22] <win21> I use zorin os 15 jais download this communication software :)
[00:22] <dillon> if he can get it to work hardwired in, could he run sudo apt update?
[00:22] <dillon> and that might fix it?
[00:25] <win21> I am a user of zorin os I discover the software and I download a bizarre messaging on my pc I wanted to know what it is for I am French
[00:28] <win21> I use google translation to communicate I am a computer scientist
[00:32] <win21> are there french people among us who would like to communicate ? I'm looking for people to test zorin os and tell me it's like software
[00:36] <win21> 35/5000
[00:36] <win21> do you have people among us
[00:41] <win21> ? i a t'il des personnes parmis nous ?
[00:42] <win21> je test cette messagerie que jais telecharger sur la logitheque
[00:44] <win21> this is a communication message I am looking for people to communicate with this messaging
[00:44] <win21> ?
[00:46] <Saul1988> Buenas tardes
 Buenas tardes
[00:48] <win21> I can also speak English thanks to good evening software to all
 Hi, my name is Saul Molina and I have a question about Kubunto
 ok
 How can I activate wifi in Ubuntu 18.04, I can't find a way to do it.
 settings > network > connections
 most likely it isn't using the right driver
 try: Settings > Driver Manager
 try to go into linux pc settings
try to go into linux pc settings
 how to enter the PC configuration
[00:58] <win21> how to connect wifi under linux? remember to check if your wifi is on for this you must go to the settings of your laptop or desktop go to the connection menus then activate the wifi
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/EgcuY09a/file_30273.jpg
 That seems to me online
[01:21] <dillon> hey guys, I gotta question about qbittorrent
[01:24] <dillon> I'm trying to set up my proxy on it, but every time I try and check it all it says is something like tracker not working?  What am I doing wrong?
 Hello everyone
 Please someone who using kubuntu take the screenshot of this website's page.  … > https://bot.sannysoft.com/
 I'm currently on ubuntu, and some of them are red for me.
 thanks in advance
[06:00] <Saeid> Hi, I'm using kubuntu, and nvidia 440 installed (RTX 2070), now the problem is: my context menu in firefox (via right click on a page) is soooo slow, also bookmark editing in firefox, every menu on it, they all are so so slow, please help me to get rid of this
[06:04] <diogenes_> Saeid, try to enable hw acceleration in ff.
[06:08] <Saeid> diogenes_: I tried it, in off and also on mode, but didn't effect
[06:09] <Saeid> diogenes_: btw, my firefox is pretty fresh, it's not an old or heavy firefox, it's a something releated to firefox itself, I'm sure because other softwares are fast
[06:17] <diogenes_> Saeid, look in about:support > graphics > Compositing is it basic or opengl?
[06:19] <Saeid> diogenes_: it's WebRender
[06:24] <diogenes_> Saeid, disable webrenderer and enable layers.accelerate-all layers.gpu-process.force-enabled gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated and re-open the browser, make sure webrenderer is gone.
[06:25] <Saeid> if it work, you are my hero diogenes_ <3
[06:28] <Saeid> there is no layers.accelerate-all, but the other two were
[06:29] <diogenes_> you can create it.
[06:30] <Saeid> diogenes_: Thank you so so much <3, Compositing is now on opengl, the right click isn't slow anymore, thank you man!!! I hope you reach to all the things you like :D
[06:31] <diogenes_> Saeid, you're welcome! and thanks for good wishes, the same to you!
[06:40] <ghost_> diogenes_: It's me Saeid, sorry I got disconnected, it works so great, thank you so much man <3 then only problem that still remained, is mouse over on nested bookmarks is still slow, but other menus are fast
[06:40] <ghost_> composition is on opengl now
[06:42] <diogenes_> ghost_, then you can even try and disable layers.accelerate-all layers.gpu-process.force-enabled gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated and make sure compositing is basic.
[06:42] <diogenes_> don't forget to re-open ff.
[06:42] <ghost_> diogenes_: sure Ok, I go for it
[06:45] <ghost_> I did, but still Compositing is OpenGL (after 2 times restart ff)
[06:47] <diogenes_> ghost_, then you need to disable something more, in about:config give a search for gl webgl opengl accel ans se what you can disable.
[06:48] <diogenes_> see*
[06:48] <ghost_> diogenes_: ok ok
[06:49] <ghost_> all the things are Ok now, operations completed <3, thank you so much dear diogenes_
[06:50] <diogenes_> ghost_, what you disabled?
[06:52] <ghost_> I had gfx.webrender.all true
[06:52] <ghost_> after disabled it, compositing got basic
[06:52] <diogenes_> oh ok, i'm glad it's fixed.
[06:53] <ghost_> thank you so much man!!! you saved my firefox <3 (btw I got that gfx.web... from this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/8po7wd/finally_fixed_firefoxs_slow_scrolling_and_it_is/)
[06:53] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[06:58] <ghost_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NcDCZ3P6zZ/
[07:00] <diogenes_> hehe nice, i do the same thing when i get a working solution :)
[07:03] <ghost_> I'm using Zim wiki diogenes_ did you try it?
[07:04] <diogenes_> nope, i've never heard of that.
[07:06] <ghost_> https://zim-wiki.org/  the goodness of it is that all the thing you save in it, all are in a folder, it's really portable, and also you can save manythings like images, files and anything on it
[07:07] <diogenes_> ok good to know there is such a tool, thanks for sharing.
[07:10] <ghost_> thank you actually !
[07:11] <diogenes_> ok gtg for awhile, have a nice day.
[07:18] <ghost_> have a nice day too, cya
[10:05] <win21__> how does it work ?
[10:13] <win21__>  franzo hello how does it work ? messaging on the server ?
[10:14] <franzo> Hi, what?
[10:14] <franzo> messaging on what?
[10:15] <win21__> how the server works i'm new ?
[10:15] <franzo> This is a channel about Kubuntu support
[10:15] <franzo> you write here if you have problems with Kubuntu
[10:17] <win21__> and for the users of zorin os I download this software and I wonder what it is I am intrigued
[10:20] <win21__>  fabian hello and for the users of zorin os I download this software and I wonder what it is I am intrigued ?
[10:22] <win21__> hello and for the users of zorin os I download this software and I wonder what it is I am intrigued ?
[10:37] <win21__> zorin os is a software based on ubuntu and windows it is characterized by a guest of command and in terminal compose of the commands sudo
[11:07] <win21__> zorin os is a software based on ubuntu and windows it is characterized by a guest of command and in terminal compose of the commands sudo
[11:11] <MrUyom> hi
[11:12] <MrUyom> why ubuntu is more poppular as mint?
[12:00] <tomreyn> !discuss | MrUyom
[12:01] <kowshik> hi
[12:01] <tomreyn> !derivatives | win21__
[12:16] <user|21776> G85 Printer does not responde
[12:17] <user|21776> What can I do to activate its functions ?
[12:17] <user|21776> HP G 85
[12:17] <user|21776> MSI GeForce GT 710 1024MB DDR3 - how to install the nvida driver ?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:27] <tigger_> @search AOE2
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !warez | tigger_
[15:10] <lepei> hi
[15:11] <lepei> somebody french ?
[15:12] <diogenes_> !fr
[15:13] <lepei> super.merci
[15:13] <lepei> a+
[15:13] <lepei> bonjour
[15:14] <lepei> question : je viens d'installer kubuntu à coté de windows 10. Comment retrouver mes fichiers des disques windows ?
[15:18] <lepei> j'ai fait les mkdir, mais je ne sais pas comment monter les disques windows car je ne sais pas 'lire' la liste
[15:18] <lepei> file:///home/lepei/Disque_C
[15:19] <lepei> fdisk : cannot open /dev/sdb: Permission denied
[15:29] <lepei> suis loggé en 'su'
[15:31] <scaredysquirrel> how might I allow polkit with no password on Kubuntu 20.04?
[15:38] <viewer|32> how to add malayalam keyboard layout?
[15:57] <travism> why does dolphin not show all discs?
[18:20] <ramonlap> hi all, i am having problems to capture the audio with the internal microphone in my lenovo thinkpad x230 in Kubuntu 20.04.  is there a guide or info on how to solve that please?
[18:34] <emanuel_> Hi, I have a problem my internet connection only work youtube
[18:39] <matthew_> can someone help me?
 matthew_: you need to ask a question, if I don't know the question how can I know if I can help
[18:47] <matthew_> im on a laptop and having wifi driver problems ive already updated everything
[18:51] <matthew_> im corenlty on wierd but in need wirles
 matthew_: you need to tell us the wifi card you have
[20:24] <user|95975> Hello everyone
[20:24] <user|95975> I was having issues with a fresh Kubuntu install
[20:25] <user|95975> I allocated 20GB to root as I usually do during Linux installations, but after installing a couple of packages WAY below 20GB, my root got completely full
[20:32] <abdeljalil> Hello! Just joined here, can I ask for technical support here?
[20:35] <abdeljalil> Hello!
[20:42] <tomreyn> !ask | hi abdeljalil
[20:47] <user|86831> Hello, somebody know how to start Kubuntu 20.04 installer in text mode?
[20:48] <tomreyn> user|86831: there's no text mode installer for kubuntu. what are you trying to achieve, why are you looking for this?
[20:48] <user|86831> For full disk encryption
[20:49] <tomreyn> user|86831: does the graphical installer not offer this?
[20:50] <lauretta> buonasera...
[20:50] <tomreyn> good evening, lauretta
[20:50] <lauretta> ho installato stasera kubuntu 20.4
[20:50] <user|86831> No, not in the way it is useful for me
[20:51] <tomreyn> user|86831: you can install using the ubuntu server installer, then install the kubuntu-desktop package
[20:51] <lauretta> e sto avendo problemi con i giochi
[20:52] <tomreyn> !it | lauretta
[20:52] <lauretta> ok...grazieee
[20:52] <lauretta> scusate
[20:52] <lauretta> buona serata
[20:52] <tomreyn> you, too, no problem
[21:58] <travism> !support groovy
[21:58] <travism> how do I get support for Ubuntu Groovy?
[21:59] <travism> I need the just released mesa 20.0.7
[21:59] <Unit193> The channel #ubuntu+1
[21:59] <Unit193> Groovy is early development, not meant for the general public.
[23:10] <travism>  signfile mesa_20.0.7-3ubuntu1_amd64.buildinfo
[23:10] <travism> gpg: skipped "Timo Aaltonen<EMAIL_ADDRESS>No secret key
[23:11] <travism> dpkg-buildpackafe -ui -uc -us -b


[21:31] <Nick_A> I have "package-update-upgrade-install" under cloud_final_modules as the default in our Ubuntu 18 cloud image. What would be the best way to prevent that module from running with cloud config user data rather than modifying the image itself?


[05:51] <tjaalton> jcristau: actually, the output is identical to what is on my desktop :/
[06:50] <bryce> hey tjaalton, hmm, I did a system upgrade on my 965, and confirm that the new -intel and xserver are installed, yet greedy is not getting turned on
[06:50] <tjaalton> hi bryce, I'll check mine
[06:50] <bryce> tjaalton: have you done an upgrade on your system?  is it all working properly?
[06:51] <bryce> thanks
[06:53] <tjaalton> indeed.. hmm
[06:54] <bryce> maybe the -intel built against an older version of the xserver?
[06:54] <bryce> maybe we do need to up the build-depends after all?
[06:54] <tjaalton> bryce: did you notice that apparently i945/950 have problems with XAA and Xv with compiz?
[06:54] <tjaalton> oh, could be
[06:55] <bryce> yes I did notice a spate of similar 945 and even some 915 issues that sounded suspiciously similar
[06:55] <bryce> to the 965 issue
[06:56] <bryce> I requested people test greedy with those the other day
[06:57] <tjaalton> comment 44 on bug 177492
[06:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[06:58] <tjaalton> should I drop the xaa patch?
[06:59] <bryce> sounds like it
[07:00] <tjaalton> ok, I'll disable it and bump up the build-dep on xserver-xorg-dev
[07:09] <tjaalton> ready
[07:11] <tjaalton> build tested too
[07:11] <bryce> awesome
[07:14] <tjaalton> damn, I had old headers and it's still broken, another try
[07:18] <tjaalton> hmm, xorg-server 1ubuntu4 is not in the archive
[07:18] <bryce> what?
[07:19] <tjaalton> at least I can't install it
[07:19] <bryce> apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core says it's there
[07:19] <bryce> weird
[07:19] <tjaalton> but not on archive.u.c
[07:20] <tjaalton> so the source is there, but it's not built
[07:20] <bryce> huh
[07:28] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll upload this anyway, it'll get built when the deps are available
[07:28] <bryce> ok
[08:07] <tjaalton> bryce: replied to the core-dev application :)
[08:07] <bryce> thanks!
[08:10] <bryce> seb128!
[08:10] <seb128> hello bryce
[08:10] <bryce> got some good news
[08:11] <seb128> ah?
[08:11] <bryce> yeah, in digging through the redhat code I found it already had scripts to generate patches
[08:11] <bryce> they were written for rpm tools, but I was able to generalize them fairly easily
[08:12] <seb128> good
[08:12] <bryce> also, I built the gtk.patch against libgtk and it built fine, and I think it's probably ready for integration
[08:13] <bryce> but I think you should look at it - it drops some xinerama api things that I'm concerned might break apps that are currently using that api
[08:13] <bryce> anyway, I also created a bzr branch here:  https://code.launchpad.net/~bryceharrington/gnome-control-center/ssp-xrandr
[08:14] <bryce> I stuck in a README there with more details on how to build things and so on
[08:15] <bryce> I also put the TODO-UBUNTU from wiki into there for convenience; Launchpad went offline most of the day today and I couldn't access the wiki
[08:24] <bryce> seb128: anyway, it's getting late for me, but if you could look into getting the gtk.patch integrated (with or without the xinerama changes), that would be a great first step - I think it's a prerequiste for the rest of this code.
[08:24] <seb128> ok, will do
[08:25] <seb128> bryce: good night
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #128543 in xorg (main) "suspend works from command line, but not via GNOME menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128543
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #193990 in xorg (main) "Empty Screen and Graphics preferences" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193990
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #194055 in pixman (main) "package libpixman-1-dev 0.9.6-1 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, ?/usr/lib/libpixman-1.so? zu ?berschreiben, welches auch in Paket libpixman1 ist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194055
[17:51] <seb128> bryce: around?
[18:12] <bryce> yup
[18:12] <bryce> seb128: what's up?
[18:13] <seb128> bryce: fedora is using no gtk patch apparently?
[18:13] <bryce> seb128: really?
[18:13] <seb128> yes
[18:13] <bryce> seb128: I actually don't know any specifics about the gtk.patch
[18:13] <bryce> where have you heard this?
[18:13] <seb128> I looked on their viewcvs as I usually do when I look at their patches
[18:14] <bryce> I was testing last night with it installed and did not find it made a difference
[18:15] <bryce> (but I figured I'd done something wrong)
[18:15] <bryce> hmm... well perhaps it simply hadn't been submitted yet?
[18:19] <bryce> reading Soeren's email it sounds like they're planning on including it for fedora 9
[18:27] <bryce> ah, ok - grepping through the source code, none of the new functions in gtk.patch are actually referred to by the new code
[18:27] <bryce> so I guess we can ignore it for now
[18:32] <bryce> tjaalton: cjwatson is asking me about bug 173411.  got thoughts on how we should solve it?  obviously restoring the input portions to xorg.conf would be a possibility, but are there other approaches?
[18:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173411 in xorg "[Hardy][Regression] Touchpad vertical scroll does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173411
[18:39] <tjaalton> bryce: well, input-hotplug would be the alternative, :)
[18:39] <bryce> tjaalton: well, but what work needs to be completed on that to resolve this bug?
[18:43] <tjaalton> bryce: maybe asking if david has any pathces he started to work on, or write a script which generates an fdi-file from xorg.conf
[18:44] <bryce> hmm
[18:52] <ubotu> New bug: #194078 in xterm (main) "Setting boldMode to false does not disable the behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194078
[19:00] <ubotu> New bug: #194090 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "fglrx restricted driver doesn't work on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194090
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #193828 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "ATI Radeon 9000 + Asus VW195D 1440x900 lcd monitor: left black bar showed at highest resolution" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193828
[19:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192231 in dell "[Hardy] Machines with nvidia cards resume to a white screen (dup-of: 160264)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192231
[19:27] <pwnguin> i love people who come into an inactive bug, ask if there's still a problem, and then take off because they have no idea how to solve the problem
[19:28] <pwnguin> maybe this guy's different though. there's a "We" somewhere
[19:29] <pwnguin> perhaps one of the people he represents will have a clue I'm missing
[19:47] <bryce> pwnguin: which bug?
[19:47] <pwnguin> bug #140644
[19:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140644 in gnome-power-manager "xset fails to turn off LCD screen" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140644
[19:47] <pwnguin> i dont have the laptop with me
[19:47] <pwnguin> and unless you've got a toshiba handy
[19:47] <bryce> nope
[19:47] <pwnguin> i doubt you'll be able to fix it either
[19:48] <pwnguin> which is why it's been sitting
[19:48] <bryce> wasn't planning to ;-)
[19:48] <bryce> just curious who the  triager was
[19:49] <pwnguin> never seem em on irc
[19:50] <bryce> I don't recognize the name either, although he's got a decent amount of karma
[19:50] <pwnguin> i just get a bit frustrated at the cookie cutter reports using the imperial form
[19:50] <pwnguin> like im not part of "We"
[19:54] <bryce> yeah, I feel the pain...  personally I try avoiding use of canned replies, although I understand when going through a lot of bugs, cut and paste is easier
[19:54] <bryce> I gave a reply there that is probably equally useless but a bit less canned ;-)
[19:55] <pwnguin> if i recall correctly
[19:55] <bryce> I suspect the bug may be mis-filed against g-p-m, but it really requires someone more knowledgeable in the power management side of things to tell
[19:55] <pwnguin> i filed it against gpm because thats what gpm uses
[19:55] <pwnguin> and it fails
[19:55] <pwnguin> therefore gpm fails
[19:56]  * bryce nod
[19:56] <bryce> +s
[19:56] <bryce> that's the right starting guess to make
[19:56] <bryce> g-p-m triagers need to evaluate and then decide if it's really an underlying problem with acpi, the kernel, X, ...
[19:57] <pwnguin> judging by the gpm bug lists, i think they have bigger fish to fry
[19:57]  * bryce nods
[19:58] <pwnguin> i think i found that out while hunting for the reason dpms triggers while watching more than one episode with totem
[19:59] <bryce> g-p-m is my biggest annoyance with linux these days (mainly the screen blanking behavior)
[19:59] <bryce> er s/blanking/dimming/
[22:28] <ubotu> New bug: #173837 in xorg-server (main) "gdmflexiserver or 'new login in a window' doesn't refresh screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173837
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #194149 in xorg (main) "Microsoft Wireless Notebook Mouse: horizontal scroll not working + wishlist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194149
[23:19] <ubotu> New bug: #194150 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "dual monitor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194150


[02:46] <rodarvus> mesa_6.5.0.cvs.20060725-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[02:47] <rodarvus> (with versioned Build-Depends on libdrm-2.0.2-0ubuntu1)
[03:48] <rodarvus> xorg-server_1.1.1-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[03:49] <rodarvus> (with versioned Build-Depends on mesa-swx11-source_6.5.0.cvs.20060725-0ubuntu1)
[12:55] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-input-acecad uploaded
[12:55] <rodarvus> (btw, I'm starting to check for new upstream versions of all drivers)
[12:55] <rodarvus> so you can probably expect quite a few driver uploads today
[01:02] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-input-aiptek uploaded
[01:03] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-input-calcomp uploaded
[01:10] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-input-citron uploaded
[01:11] <rodarvus> xserver-xorg-input-digitaledge uploaded
[02:09] <Mithrandir> hmm
[02:09] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@golem ~ > xfontsel
[02:09] <Mithrandir> Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
[02:09] <Mithrandir> also, my emacs fonts are busticated.
[02:12] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, yes, I heard (but haven't seen bug reports) about this too
[02:13] <rodarvus> I haven't got around doing a dapper->edgy upgrade since then to actually test
[02:13] <rodarvus> (I'm kind-of waiting for vmware modules for 2.6.17 to be able to do that)
[02:18] <Mithrandir> the nb_NO.UTF-8 locale seem to be missing from locale.alias
[02:19] <rodarvus> which locale.alias, from libc or from libx11?
[02:19] <Mithrandir> libx11-data: /usr/share/X11/locale/locale.alias


[04:25] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: kde is definitely worth revisiting... especially in light of unity and gnome 3
[04:30] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I'll have to download it sometime, I may install it on my laptop and play with it
[04:30] <chris4585> I'll give kubuntu a shot possibly to see how it is... but I much prefer playing with kde on arch
[04:34] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: why wait on the download? you've got the bandwidth for it
[04:34] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I'm multitasking
[04:34] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: throttle
[04:39] <chris4585> I'm only waiting because I'm not really ready to do that right now and I know it will only take a few minutes to download it
[04:40] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: what makes kde better on arch?
[04:41] <chris4585> well kdemod on arch is highly regardless as the best KDE desktop on linux or KDE done right
[04:42] <chris4585> its just kind of universal that KDE on ubuntu is crap in comparison to every other major KDE distro
[04:42] <pace_t_zulu> well i should check out a different distro then
[04:43] <chris4585> I haven't checked up on chakra lately but its an arch based distro with KDE mod, last time I looked at it was alpha
[04:46] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: what's a stable distro that would have kde 4.6?
[04:46] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: debian or fedora?
[04:46] <chris4585> opensuse
[04:47] <pace_t_zulu> really?
[04:47] <chris4585> opensuse is regarded as doing KDE right, KDE is the main desktop
[05:36] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, have you been to ubuntu.com today?
[05:36] <chris4585> I noticed a gnome3 style banner
[05:36] <chris4585> kind of cool
[05:36] <chris4585> it was really out of place with the orange theme and bam a gnome3 type theme on the ubuntu website
[07:35] <chris4585> Chakra's release notes "Remember this is alpha software, it might eat your hamster!"
[07:35] <chris4585> lol
[07:54] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I think you should give chakra a shot, so far I'm impressed and its not even installed yet
[07:55] <chris4585> the installer has a nice option to install popular software like firefox, gimp, libre office, etc..
[07:57] <cyberanger> chris4585: cool disclaimer, what's it do to snakes
[07:58] <chris4585> lol I don't know
[07:58] <cyberanger> well, I'm sure I can get one if anyone else wants to find out ;-)
[07:59] <cyberanger> joke aside, Chakra Project looks intresting
[08:01] <chris4585> cyberanger, I've known about it since it was born about 3 years ago? so far I'm impressed with how KDE runs even on the livecd
[08:01] <cyberanger> which is really odd for me, I'm not much for KDE, but it's looks I could see being used by alot of people
[08:02] <cyberanger> yeah, and I judge Live CDs the hardest, cause they seem to be what really sways people into or out of linux
[08:02] <chris4585> the only technical thing anyone would have to know is partitioning, and it includes the KDE graphical partitioner, which is nice
[08:02] <cyberanger> if I recall right, that's just a frontend to parted
[08:02] <chris4585> yeah looks like it
[08:03] <chris4585> I'm not much for qt but it is rather sleek..
[08:03] <cyberanger> which means it's really simple, supports nearly everything
[08:03] <cyberanger> gparted is the same way, frontend for parted
[08:03] <chris4585> I think I would die without parted / gparted
[08:03] <chris4585> gparted <3
[08:03] <cyberanger> shoot, dd may have earned it's nickname, 'disk destroyer' brb
[08:04] <chris4585> that doesn't sound good.. :/
[08:05] <cyberanger> false alarm, but the cd drive might be going quicker than expected (which is fine, that's accounted for, upgrade month)
[08:07] <cyberanger> using it and netcat to migrate a machine off a laptop and into virtualbox
[08:07] <chris4585> ah cool
[08:07] <chris4585> never attempted that one before
[08:07] <cyberanger> then probally scrapping bits
[08:08] <cyberanger> it's great, virtualbox includes a utility called convertfromraw which really works
[08:09] <cyberanger> you have to get the whole hdd over for that, one of a few ways
[08:09] <cyberanger> dd over the network (with ssh or netcat) use gparted to copy it to an external drive
[08:09] <cyberanger> or stick the drive in an external enclosure
[08:10] <cyberanger> first two need a live disc for that
[08:10] <cyberanger> and I'm short on enclosures and drives, so dd & netcat was best
[08:11] <cyberanger> this method puts a raw img file on my desktop, which virtualbox will convert into a vdi, then I just gotta create a virtual machine to use it
[08:12] <cyberanger> windows is more of a headache than linux (not tried mac or heard of anyone who did, but I bet it could be done along the lines of a hackintosh)
[08:12] <cyberanger> linux's kernal just sorta knows how to adapt
[08:13] <cyberanger> chris4585: this will be the first time I've done this on linux myself (used it with windows twice, to get somebody more involved in linux)
[08:15] <chris4585> I will have to remember that
[08:15] <chris4585> yeah thats one thing thats crazy about linux
[08:15] <chris4585> I've copied the file structure of a livecd onto a formatted partition once then installed grub manually and was able to get a working system that way
[08:16] <cyberanger> I'm sure there's other ways too, anyhow this keeps my install while still letting me blank that drive and ship it to a friend in a jam
[08:16] <cyberanger> that works, another flexable trick of linux
[08:16] <cyberanger> try doing that with an XP disc
[08:16] <cyberanger> ;-)
[08:16] <chris4585> I actually got that done using slitaz
[08:16] <chris4585> lol that would be wasted time
[08:17] <chris4585> did you hear windows 8 will run on flash drives? 16gb and up
[08:17] <cyberanger> really, I just thought it would crawl to a BSoD
[08:18] <chris4585> well its a feature apparently..
[08:18] <cyberanger> yeah, I've heard that's one of their plans, but I'm not sure it'll work
[08:18] <cyberanger> unless they're ditching the NT kernel too
[08:18] <cyberanger> in which case it'll sorta be like Vista again
[08:19] <cyberanger> driver issues, dragged heels to support it
[08:20] <chris4585> oh thats a surprise, KDE already has snapping windows?
[08:21] <cyberanger> yeah, they've had that awhile now
[08:21] <cyberanger> in knoppix at least
[08:22] <chris4585> I feel behind
[08:22] <chris4585> not saying that KDE is copying windows 100% but I don't think a clueless user would notice a thing..
[08:22] <chris4585> its on par if not superior
[08:22] <chris4585> well obviously I think its superior
[08:22] <cyberanger> well, I think they may have had it before windows
[08:23] <cyberanger> I don't recall it when suffering through vista in college (thank grub for tri boots)
[08:24] <cyberanger> when I think it was in knoppix
[08:25] <cyberanger> actually, it may have been in windows 7, beta at the time (It was better than vista, classware needed windows) but between stable releases, predated windows
[08:25] <cyberanger> it's gotten much harder to remember
[08:26] <chris4585> that is a nice feature though
[08:27] <cyberanger> lol, it's funny, I've gone to excessive GUI features to CLI fanboy
[08:29] <cyberanger> but that sorta makes sense, cause I know on anyone's system, hit ctrl+alt+f1 and login, I can do what I normally do, perfectly harmless and yet freak them out at the same time
[08:30] <cyberanger> or some quip dos is dead, and I quip back, so is your graphics card, logout and pull xorg back up
[08:31] <cyberanger> chris4585: ever notice that, ubuntu gets popular, people head to debian, gui's get more complex, people head towards terminal apps
[08:31] <cyberanger> fighting trends
[08:34] <chris4585> yeah
[08:35] <cyberanger> I seem to be in that group to some extent, but on the other hand I got into linux more for it's server role anyhow
[08:35] <cyberanger> the desktop was just the beginning, less computers so I had one perform both roles
[08:36] <cyberanger> and it did alot of server work
[08:37] <cyberanger> so idk, live discs were a stopgap when I couldn't install, but when I had a rig, better as a server really
[08:37] <cyberanger> and I aimed to learn quick
[08:37] <cyberanger> look at linux now
[08:37] <cyberanger> it excells at everything really
[08:38] <cyberanger> except being noticed by avg. joe
[08:42] <cyberanger> and we're making progress on that even
[08:42] <cyberanger> chris4585: your home was recovered, yes?
[08:43] <chris4585> cyberanger, yes, ubiquity managed to somehow manage that, which I was hoping it would do
[08:44] <cyberanger> and your still using encrypted home?
[08:44] <chris4585> I believe so
[08:44] <cyberanger> ls /home
[08:44] <chris4585> I've been working on organizing my files and I'm going to back them up
[08:45] <cyberanger> (I ask becuase now might be a good time to grab info in case of a repeat performance, backing up would be good too ;-))
[08:45] <chris4585> I have a .ecryptfs dir and buildd dir
[08:45] <chris4585> I'm slowly getting there..
[08:46] <chris4585> yeah its all still encrypted, but everything is back to normal
[08:46] <cyberanger> shoot, speaking of which I think I nuked data on my server, went overboard on cleaning it out
[08:46] <chris4585> I'd just like to know why anything at all was encrypted to begin with
[08:47] <cyberanger> I did backup at least, before that spring cleaning of sorts
[08:47] <cyberanger> so I'm not screwed
[08:47] <cyberanger> chris4585: did you click fast at install
[08:48] <cyberanger> fde must be done from an alternate or netinst image, but $HOME can be done from any image now
[08:48] <chris4585> I don't think so
[08:49] <chris4585> who knows I might have tried the encryption option back when 10.10 first came out and totally forgot about it..
[08:49]  * chris4585 shrug
[08:49] <cyberanger> (I intentionally do FDE without an addional encrypted $HOME, since I never let anyone that close to my laptop to muck my $HOME)
[08:50] <cyberanger> chris4585: I bet that's what you did, click yes vs no at install, and since it didn't metion it anywhere sense (till things go wrong) you would not have known
[08:50] <chris4585> probably
[08:51] <chris4585> I just wish it would sort of like informed me of whatever my passphrase(s) were..
[08:51] <chris4585> are*
[08:52] <cyberanger> it's literally one page, yes or no, I wish they'd improve that, encryption is security, but screwups happen, they need to do more
[08:52] <cyberanger> it never did, since as long as it didn't screw up, it was tied to your login
[08:52] <cyberanger> do one, the other happens
[08:52] <chris4585> ah
[08:52] <cyberanger> by default that is
[08:53] <cyberanger> you can seperate the two more, but the automated tool is flawed, it expects a perfect world
[08:54] <cyberanger> and in a perfect world, encryption is pointless, privacy respected, no need to ensure that
[08:54] <chris4585> well here is the funny thing, I tried a backup tool before any of this happened and just now noticed ~/.backup
[08:54] <chris4585> what little help it is when its encrypted as well..
[08:54] <cyberanger> this is an imprefect world sh*t happens
[08:55] <chris4585> I may setup a computer for the specific task of keeping up with the files on this computer lol
[08:55] <cyberanger> haha, lol
[08:55] <cyberanger> perhaps just a vbox setup
[08:55] <cyberanger> like I'm doing now
[08:58] <cyberanger> rsync is doable
[08:59] <chris4585> does rsync do over network?
[08:59] <cyberanger> which reminds me, I need to help x with that
[08:59] <cyberanger> yes, that's what I use with my server and it's backup here
[08:59] <chris4585> I'd probably just do some bash script with scp or something
[09:00] <cyberanger> why scp over rsync
[09:00] <chris4585> for one I know the syntax and I'm simple
[09:00] <cyberanger> my server is fairly static, rsync is fairly simple if you know scp, main thing that changes on my server are iso's and logs
[09:01] <cyberanger> rsync only grabs the difference, not the whole file
[09:01] <chris4585> ah cool
[09:01] <chris4585> I might look that up
[09:01] <cyberanger> otherwise I'd hammer my server cap on the iso's
[09:02] <cyberanger> 11.04 beta1 renamed to beta2, then an rsync, then repeat for a final
[09:03] <chris4585> I was shocked when I donwloaded beta2 at 1.2mbps (torrent)
[09:04] <cyberanger> that's the trick I did for 10.10, jigdo it on the server (higher speed, in london, grabbed from the offical server every mirror uses all the jigdo and template files, then hit all the mirrors till the images were done, created a timestamp file to look for later
[09:04] <cyberanger> then rename my iso's here to match, from rc to final, and did an rsync
[09:05] <cyberanger> I had the iso's quicker than alot of torrents and mirrors, and seeded them on both connections for a day
[09:05] <cyberanger> all automated with bash
[09:05] <chris4585> thats cool
[09:05] <chris4585> I got it downloaded in about ~15mins
[09:06] <cyberanger> it took about that for me on the final
[09:06] <cyberanger> which all servers are hammered more than a beta
[09:07] <cyberanger> and add to the fire, some use firefox, download stops, they redownload, instead of zsync, jigdo, a torrent, or even wget -c
[09:07] <cyberanger> further hammering the server
[09:07] <chris4585> I've had that happen, thats when I make sure I do wget instead
[09:07] <chris4585> at least with wget you can resume
[09:08] <cyberanger> and so few use repo mirrors, which have all the packages before the actual release, all you need is the jigdo and template files to make the iso
[09:08] <cyberanger> they'll hammer archive.ubuntu.com's 5 (I think 5, around there at least) servers, when I can grab from any mirror, 2/3rds are neglected)
[09:09] <chris4585> nothing like being 600mbs into the download to have it stop and not being able to recover
[09:09] <cyberanger> yeah
[09:12] <cyberanger> it's nice to have options
[09:12] <cyberanger> there really isn't alot for Windows
[09:13] <cyberanger> I did find wget worked for my Win7 Images, which cost 30 bucks and never really got used (I thought they'd be helpful for work, but never got to find out)
[09:14] <chris4585> I thought there was a wget for windows for free?
[09:15] <cyberanger> yeah, there was something along those lines
[09:15] <chris4585> or do you mean never got to use the win7?
[09:15] <cyberanger> I meant never really needed Win7
[09:15] <chris4585> ah
[09:16] <cyberanger> I thought the Pro version would be handy for work (Domain Controllers)
[09:16] <cyberanger> used wget on ubuntu to download them
[09:16] <cyberanger> had work and class in the middle, killed wget and continued
[09:16] <cyberanger> had an md5sum, or equalvent
[09:17] <cyberanger> kinda found that funny actually, it was setup more for linux than windows downloading
[09:18] <chris4585> heh
[09:18] <cyberanger> I mean, out of the box, wget -c and md5sum for a windows image
[09:18] <cyberanger> rare
[09:18] <cyberanger> as rare as downloading a purchased image at that time
[09:20] <cyberanger> (Microsoft EDU discount for online purchase, no box, 100% legit with .edu email address and 30 bucks, at first needed an .exe, waited for the .iso and did that)
[09:22] <chris4585> I love the verbose messages on arch in general
[09:23] <chris4585> Starting full system upgrade... there is nothing to do - Finished
[09:23] <cyberanger> sweet
[09:23] <chris4585> no bs with that ^ lol
[09:23]  * cyberanger 3>'s Linux
[09:27] <chris4585> :o the search and launch desktop view on KDE is rather nice..
[09:30] <chris4585> welp I'm tired, g'night cyberanger
[09:35] <cyberanger> Chat later then
[09:35]  * cyberanger needs to get some sleep too, but that'll have to wait a little be
[09:35] <cyberanger> bit*
[17:12] <wrst> chris4585: how was your kde expirement
[17:12] <wrst> ?
[17:38] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: taking arch linux for a spin... been a while
[17:57] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i think you will love arch!
[17:58] <chris4585> wrst, it was rather beautiful
[17:58] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, thats cool, yeah I agree, arch is lovely
[17:59] <wrst> chris4585: did it work? i've always thought kde is attractive :)
[17:59] <chris4585> wrst, I was really impressed last night, I don't even know if I have the proprietary drivers active and it was just beautiful
[18:00] <wrst> my problem has always been things like dolphin (which i think stinks as a file browser) just little things that gnome always does well for me
[18:01] <chris4585> I agree with the dolphin comment, I always liked konqueror
[18:02] <wrst> nautilus just does such a good job for me i hate to switch
[18:03] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585, wrst any recommendations on display manager and desktop environment for arch?
[18:03] <wrst> plus i think gnome3/shell has  kde nicely beat
[18:03] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm loving gnome 3 i think its certainly worth a look at
[18:04] <wrst> kde in arch is also excellent
[18:04] <wrst> i also have fluxbox up and running
[18:04] <wrst> and lxde is kinda fun to play with
[18:05] <pace_t_zulu> i was taking e17 for a spin...
[18:05] <pace_t_zulu> figured i'd try something different
[18:05] <chris4585> you can't go wrong with anything on arch...
[18:05] <wrst> i've seen some beautiful setups with it and some people i know using arch love rat poison
[18:06] <wrst> but pace_t_zulu what i like with arch you seem them all as intended
[18:06] <wrst> but that also makes you appreciate what ubuntu has done with gnome 2 also
[18:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea... seems like arch is better for the hacker who wants complete control over the system
[18:07] <pace_t_zulu> and ubuntu is more clearly defined and refined experience
[18:07] <wrst> yes but it isn't that terrible to set up as long as you follow the wikis as I'm sure you are seeing
[18:07] <chris4585> yeah
[18:08] <chris4585> its not all that hard and plus its all a beautiful process in my opinion..
[18:09] <wrst> chris4585: its helped me to understand a lot more about how things work now
[18:09] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: is there a desktop environment you'd recommend (not gnome or kde)
[18:09] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, LXDE is another beautiful alternative
[18:10] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 would you recommend lxde ahead of elightenment (e17)
[18:10] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: i'm looking for super lightweight
[18:11] <chris4585> hrm well both are great options, personally I like LXDE over e17
[18:11] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i think lxde is kinda like that kde and gnome had an ugly child :) but its very "complete" and light i think
[18:11] <pace_t_zulu> sound like lxde where i should play around then
[18:13] <chris4585> it is a complete desktop though
[18:15] <chris4585> I feel a bit out of touch, I had to wiki arch gnome 3
[18:17] <pace_t_zulu> what display manager would y'all recommend for lxde?
[18:17] <pace_t_zulu> right now i have slim
[18:17] <chris4585> slim is actually what it used in the past but I believe LXDE uses something more similar to gdm but lighter..
[18:17] <chris4585> let me find it
[18:18] <chris4585> http://blog.lxde.org/?p=531
[18:18] <chris4585> lxdm
[18:19] <chris4585> wrst, for nvidia is it just pacman -S nvidia ?
[18:19] <chris4585> I should probably wiki that too
[18:22] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 wrst cyberanger - what shell do y'all prefer?
[18:23] <chris4585> simple ol bash, but I never played with anything else before either..
[18:25] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 i recently discovered zsh
[18:25] <chris4585> I've heard good things about other shells though, I don't do enough to warrant a change
[18:26] <pace_t_zulu> '# sudo pacman -S lxdm' ... "error: 'lxdm': could not find or read package"
[18:26] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: zsh's tab completion is more robust than bash
[18:28] <chris4585> wrst, did you use yaourt or something similar?
[18:28] <wrst> chris4585: i would follow the wiki depends on proprietary or open source
[18:29] <wrst> yes chris4585 I use yaourt its wonderful
[18:29] <wrst> and do an occasional yaourt -Syu --aur to update everything from the aur
[18:30] <chris4585> then pace_t_zulu try this guide https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Yaourt
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> wouldn't the upside of lxde be avoidance of gnome bloat??? ... why do this instructions point the user to install so many gnome packages
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[18:30] <pace_t_zulu> is yaourt better than pacman?
[18:30] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, uh? lxdm doesn't depend on gnome is what I read
[18:31] <chris4585> yaourt is a frontend to access aur, its rather nice really
[18:31] <wrst> chris4585: for latest proprietar its pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils
[18:32] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: not talking about lxdm specifically... the wiki page suggests a lot of gnome packages
[18:33] <chris4585> yes, but lxde itself is just openbox + lxpanel + gtk (obviously) and pcmanfm
[18:33] <chris4585> I have to run to the store bbiab
[18:35] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 thanks for the lxde architecture info
[18:35] <pace_t_zulu> how do you install yaourt ?
[18:35] <pace_t_zulu> i'm following instructions from the wiki ... but it says i need pacman >= 3.5
[18:36] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: dash
[18:36] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: have you upgraded your system since instally everything?
[18:36] <pace_t_zulu> i've got 3.4
[18:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i think so.... but perhaps not
[18:37] <pace_t_zulu> just ran "sudo pacman -Syu"
[18:37] <wrst> try doing a full upgrade pace_t_zulu 'pacman -Syu' and be srue to update pacman when/if the option is given
[18:37] <pace_t_zulu> nothing to upgrade
[18:37] <cyberanger> chris4585: ldxe does depend on some gtk libs I think
[18:37] <wrst> hmm i had that same issue and can't remember what i did, let me do some checking :)
[18:38] <cyberanger> if I recall
[18:38] <pace_t_zulu> i've got arch linux 2010.05 x86_64 ... is there a fresher base?
[18:39] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I'm wondering if you might have  a mirror a little behind
[18:39] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: shouldn't matter after you update
[18:39] <wrst> when i install arch i always do the net install
[18:39] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: what mirror do you use... i've got vt
[18:39] <wrst> let me check pace_t_zulu
[18:39] <pace_t_zulu> gatech didn't resolve
[18:39]  * wrst loves ssh in times like these
[18:39]  * pace_t_zulu loves ssh at all times
[18:40]  * cyberanger typed this over ssh
[18:41] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: what's the full uri?
[18:42] <cyberanger> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu/
[18:42] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: I'm using Server = http://lug.mtu.edu/archlinux/ftpfull/$repo/os/i686
[18:42] <cyberanger> I mean
[18:42] <cyberanger> http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/archlinux/ (force of habit)
[18:43] <pace_t_zulu> i'll try both
[18:43] <pace_t_zulu> gatech first - because it should be faster
[18:43] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: is that what you had fail?
[18:43] <wrst> yes should be pace_t_zulu but with your speed.... :P
[18:43] <pace_t_zulu> the failure is that pacman is 3.4
[18:43] <cyberanger> mirror.anl.gov
[18:44] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: you might want to comment out the old one just to be sure
[18:44] <cyberanger> 13:39:37 pace_t_zulu | gatech didn't resolve
[18:44] <cyberanger> dns error?
[18:44] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: didn't bother figuring it out... just switched mirrors...
[18:45] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: does gatech mirror work for you right now
[18:45] <pace_t_zulu> ?
[18:46] <cyberanger> yeah, but I can't say pacman agrees
[18:46] <cyberanger> centos with it is working
[18:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: this is specific to pacman i reckon.... mtu and vt both work
[18:48] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: mtu does have pacman 3.5
[18:48] <wrst> ok cool if you update that should take care of your problems
[18:49] <wrst> sometimes mirrors go down or get long in the tooth pace_t_zulu one of the failings of arch
[18:49] <pace_t_zulu> now i get a "error: local database version is too old"
[18:49] <cyberanger> well, two machines I can access here (well, linux rigs) are centos and ubuntu, their fine with that mirror, and the anl mirror
[18:49] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: maybe i should get more involved with the computer science department at vanderbilt and see if we can setup mirrors here... arch... ubuntu... etc
[18:49] <pace_t_zulu> maybe debian
[18:50] <cyberanger> don't have arch here at work
[18:50] <wrst> that would be neat pace_t_zulu
[18:50] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: that would be a good idea, esp with utk kinda dropping out of that
[18:50] <wrst> pace try a pacman -Syy to get everything in sync
[18:50] <cyberanger> well, underequipped for that
[18:50] <pace_t_zulu> for the sake of ubuntu-us-tn ... it'd be good to be more involved here on campus
[18:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ty for the suggestion
[18:51] <wrst> that may or may not work, pace_t_zulu, pacman -Syu should do it but sometimes the Syy helps
[18:51] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps i could draw out some more middle tn ubuntu users
[18:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I've been working on that myself, if they don't want to themselves, but allow us rackspace and bandwidth, presto
[18:52] <pace_t_zulu> "pacman-db-upgrade" fixed that error
[18:52] <wrst> ahh cool pace_t_zulu :)
[18:52] <cyberanger> I haven't really been able to bring the mirror online due to that reason, bandwidth
[18:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i know some people around campus... and it'd be good to meet more folks... i know there is a neurodebian repo hosted here on campus
[18:53] <cyberanger> internal domain or external
[18:53] <cyberanger> I know they have a two internal tlds
[18:54] <cyberanger> one for the hospital, one for the college
[18:54] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger, wrst and chris4585 can attest to the bandwidth available at vandy
[18:54] <wrst> yes i'm terribly jealous!
[18:54] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger dunno if you saw my speedtest results last week
[18:55] <cyberanger> no I didn't, but I can attest to it too, hospital end
[18:55] <cyberanger> and the university end was the same
[18:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger plus the argument could be made that a local mirror could be a positive thing for bandwidth (if users on campus utilize the local mirror)
[18:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger, furthermore - i reckon its positive advertising for the computer science department
[18:57] <cyberanger> yeah, and I've got some of the setup already
[18:57] <pace_t_zulu> linux users have heightened awareness of certain institutions on that participate in mirroring linux distros
[18:58] <cyberanger> I could probally get access to the GA Tech Mirrors, rsync them to drives and take them to nashville to kickstart things
[18:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: plus... if i could swing an ubuntu mirror - that would could certainly be a major item on our loco approval application
[18:58] <cyberanger> yeah, if it's loco backed
[18:59] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i reck vandy could rsync with gatech during off ours faster than you could drive the data back and forth.... but worth a look
[18:59] <cyberanger> that's why I've been trying to get one going here
[18:59] <cyberanger> oh, no you couldn't
[18:59] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: perhaps not
[19:00] <cyberanger> unless GA Tech shares a edu network they don't throttle
[19:00] <cyberanger> it's terabytes of data
[19:00] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: internet2 connection
[19:01] <pace_t_zulu> but terabytes might be pushing it
[19:01] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: how many terabytes are we talking?
[19:02] <cyberanger> true, i2 is at both sites
[19:02] <cyberanger> well, on the hdd or transfered over the network?
[19:03] <cyberanger> hdd for ubuntu is over 500GB, debian is around there too
[19:04] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: http://mirror.anl.gov/ (look at the bottom "About the Hardware")
[19:05] <cyberanger> Lemme see here, I once had info on per-project amounts
[19:05] <cyberanger> rsync from upstream is minimal, grabs only the changes
[19:06] <cyberanger> it's the client utilization that really drives things
[19:06] <cyberanger> and some mirrors are under utilized
[19:07] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: client utilization? you mean users querying the mirror?
[19:08] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: how do you pm with quassel? a simple "/msg user my message" doesn't open a pm chat
[19:09] <cyberanger> querying, downloading, is more like it
[19:09] <cyberanger> 700mb iso, 700mb of updates
[19:09] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: yea... bandwidth utitlizaton
[19:09] <cyberanger> repeat for arch
[19:09] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: perhaps a mirror could initially be launched for local traffic...
[19:09] <cyberanger> yeah, client to the mirror, minor for mirror to mirror
[19:10] <cyberanger> yeah, kept in sync with anl
[19:10] <cyberanger> over i2
[19:10] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: and later global access could be evaluated
[19:11] <cyberanger> (Argonne National Lab is sorta the de facto US server, majority of the US mirrors are on the i2 network)
[19:11] <cyberanger> I wonder if i2 is more costly than regular access
[19:13] <cyberanger> if i2 is just flat rate, between that and regulated access (internal or otherwise restricted) idk why they're not already doing it
[19:16] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: just double click on the user in teh nick list
[19:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: why who isn't already doing what?
[19:16] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: vanderbilt doing mirrors?
[19:17] <cyberanger> well, large scale, yes
[19:17] <cyberanger> not just one distro, but something on the scale of RIT, MIT GA Tech
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: that's what i'm thinking too
[19:19] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i see it as positive advertising for computer science at vandy
[19:19] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: how are you liking quassel?
[19:20] <cyberanger> RIT's is awesome, uncapped for i2 and RIT (shame I missed that chance last year, I know I have access there, if I ask the RC dept nicely)
[19:20] <cyberanger> they cap for 'i1' though
[19:21] <cyberanger> for their two i1 providers 150 mbit/s.
[19:22] <cyberanger> campus and i2 was 10GigE, nic blew up (and they aren't cheap, 500 a pop) but 1GigE is still sweet
[19:22] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: what speedtest server did you use?
[19:24] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: ah, here's what I was looking for, from RIT http://mirror.rit.edu/dirsizes.txt
[19:24] <cyberanger> I think ANL had one too, gonna take a 2nd look
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i like that it gives me a persistent connection like irssi... but i can enjoy gui basics (like clickable links)
[19:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but the nickname tab completion issue is very annoying
[19:28] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i suggested a quassel client written in cocoa over at #quassel ... they're a little apprehensive supporting a project that requires a platform specific developer
[19:29] <wrst> yeah i doubt they will go for that as they are from my understanding all big qt guys, did they have any solution to your tab issue?
[19:33] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: getting vanderbuilt to mirror would be ideal
[19:35] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i'm talking to my local admin about it
[19:38] <pace_t_zulu> wrst cyberanger chris4585 ... y'all notice that LXTerminal launches with SHLVL=2 ?
[19:39] <cyberanger> no, I hadn't
[19:39] <cyberanger> but been awhile
[19:40] <pace_t_zulu> weird
[19:40] <pace_t_zulu> perhaps because i'm launching lxde from cli login
[19:45] <pace_t_zulu> weird... when i launch lxde from DAEMONS in /etc/rc.conf it is SHLVL=2
[19:45] <pace_t_zulu> correction SHLVL=3 ....
[19:47] <cyberanger> last few times I ran LXDE was on Debian
[19:51]  * wrst is wondering what SHLVL=3 is
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: recommendations on a desktop manager and desktop environment to experiment with on arch?
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: lightweight is the aim
[19:55] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, did you get yaourt installed?
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: SHLVL is the shell level
[19:55] <chris4585> also to upgrade pacman you have to pacman -Syu pacman
[19:55] <chris4585> I believe..
[19:55] <pace_t_zulu> if a SHLVL=1 shell spawns another shell -> the newly spawned shell is SHLVL=2
[19:56] <wrst> chris4585: now all you have to do is pacman -Syu and it ask you if you want to upgrade pacman
[19:56] <chris4585> wrst, oh cool
[19:56] <wrst> ok pace_t_zulu thanks :) I have learned something
[19:56] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: wrst is correct
[19:56] <chris4585> its been a while
[19:56] <cyberanger> Subshell level
[19:56] <wrst> but chris4585, your command will also still work very well
[19:56] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: ty for the correction
[19:56] <chris4585> I was just going off memory
[19:56] <wrst> chris4585: i'm guessing at one time that woudl have been the case
[19:57] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: you were dead on with the concept, my book that's what matters more
[19:57] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: your using LDXE now?
[19:57] <pace_t_zulu> i have my zsh configuration include the SHLVL in my prompt if SHLVL>1
[19:58] <chris4585> wrst, once I get arch started up I'm going to attempt gnome shell :)
[20:00] <wrst> cool chris4585 you will need to enable the testing repo to get it right now its not out to wild just yet
[20:00] <wrst> or atleast wasn't last week
[20:01] <chris4585> ah
[20:01] <wrst> chris4585: i think i read somewhere that maybe in extra by the end of april
[20:03] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: yeah, yaourt is installed
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> arch linux can be fun
[20:05] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, I've learned with arch + yaourt you can pretty much install anything with nearly 0 questions
[20:06] <chris4585> unlike with ubuntu and adding ppas, its a hassle to me
[20:13] <cyberanger> chris4585: I've found PPA's rare and simple
[20:14] <cyberanger> TOR, Virtualbox & UbuntuGIS
[20:15] <pace_t_zulu> i'm frustrated with virtualbox... i had to stop using it
[20:16] <pace_t_zulu> doesn't properly support my new machines
[20:16] <chris4585> yes but with ppas you have to add them, then install the package, in arch you install yaourt once and you don't have to fool with adding extra repos
[20:16] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, looks like I got the same issue you had earlier pacman 3.5 issue
[20:16] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: that's odd
[20:16] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: yea... i noticed it when i was installing yaourt
[20:16] <cyberanger> chris4585: only a one time deal
[20:16] <cyberanger> and on top of that, a scriptable one
[20:21] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: running quassel client in lxde on arch
[20:21] <wrst> ha ha cool
[20:21] <wrst> that's the very cool thing i think pace_t_zulu  about quassel it runs anywhere on anythign
[20:22] <wrst> i am running quasseldroid on my android phone
[20:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: is there a cli implementation of quassel client?
[20:22] <wrst> pace_t_zulu:  irssi + screen :)
[20:23] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i have asked that same question and pretty much told that wasn't really something they were interested in
[20:23] <wrst> since there was a good solution
[20:24] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but is there a way to connect irssi to a quassel-core?
[20:24] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: or they just say they don
[20:24] <pace_t_zulu> 't do cli
[20:25] <wrst> no there is not a way to do it
[20:25] <wrst> from my research, not saying there isn't but don't think so
[20:35] <chris4585> I'm still having that pacman issue :/ can't seem to figure out the trick
[20:41] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585 eat one of the bigger dots... for a while the ghosts can't get you - and you can get them
[20:45] <chris4585> lol
[20:45] <chris4585> I actually played some pacman last night, lovely game
[20:49] <cyberanger> and I was playing a round of ms pacman before we got on this topic
[20:49] <cyberanger> wow, awkard timing
[21:03] <chris4585> I think I'm going to uninstall chakra and install basic arch
[21:15] <pace_t_zulu> sup Xpistos
[21:15] <Xpistos> yo!
[21:15] <Xpistos> pace_t_zulu:
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu> yo
[21:19] <pace_t_zulu> looks like some new icons are landing in natty
[21:19] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[21:20] <chris4585> pace_t_zulu, really? I'll have to update and check that out
[21:20] <Xpistos> hey cyberanger
[21:20] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585: not that significant... just a few
[21:20] <cyberanger> Xpistos: still need assistance with Rsync & ssh?
[21:23] <Xpistos> uh yeah if you have time
[21:23] <cyberanger> should shortly
[21:24] <cyberanger> just gotta clear my metaphorical plate first
[21:24] <Xpistos> just let me kow
[21:27] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: different build of quassel client resolves the nickname tab completion issue
[21:28] <wrst> ahh cool pace_t_zulu!
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: may have spoken too soon...
[21:29] <wrst> a newer build of the .7 or did you have to go backwards?
[21:29] <wrst> oh :\
[21:29] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it's working on the macbook pro... not the mac pro
[21:29] <wrst> hmm weird
[21:31] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: build of 0.7.2 linked against Qt 4.7.1
[21:31] <chris4585> I was wondering the other day why update manager didn't appear to have any notify messages / alerts, you would think that would be something easy for them to implement
[21:32] <wrst> on my wifes mac book i think i am still at .6.1 on it
[21:43] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its the weirdest issue
[21:43] <wrst> yes that is strange but a real pain in the rear too
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: there is something very weird about the same binary producing different behavior on 2 systems
[21:49] <wrst> yeah that's just odd could it be something with the setup on the two systems?
[21:49]  * wrst is drawing at straws
[21:51] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it is an interesting issue
[21:52] <pace_t_zulu> cause now the machines have flipflopped
[21:52] <wrst> ha ha oh my
[21:52] <pace_t_zulu> the one that was working now doesn't ... and vice-versa
[21:53] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: now both systems work... i must have done something right ;)
[21:54] <wrst> ha ha just keep up the good work pace_t_zulu!
[22:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: its weird... if i restart the quassel client - the behavior changes
[22:01] <wrst> yeah that's just weird you would expect it to be the same all the time
[22:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: just rolled back to 0.6.1
[22:10] <wrst> how is that working pace_t_zulu?
[22:10] <pace_t_zulu> seems like an issue with qt 4.7
[22:10] <pace_t_zulu> works fine
[22:10] <wrst> cool, i just about upgraded on my wife's machine, i won't now :)
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'll keep you posted
[22:11] <wrst> ok thanks pace_t_zulu :)
[22:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: wasted a lot of time with that :(
[22:12] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: isn't that half the fun?
[22:13] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: not when the outcome is downgrading
[22:13] <wrst> sounds like a open source blame game bug probably on that one pace_t_zulu
[22:13] <wrst> its effecting quassel but since its with qt 4.7 nothing will happen
[22:14] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yup
[22:14] <wrst> those things really hack me off about open source
[22:31] <chris4585> whoo success, I've been playing with adding menu options to icons on unity and its simple once you got the hang of it
[22:31] <chris4585> launcher I mean, when you right click
[22:38] <chris4585>  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26419549/2011-04-18-173722_1024x768_scrot.png
[22:39] <chris4585> er I don't think dropbox was running..
[22:40] <chris4585> oh no nvm, I was just too fast :)
[22:40] <chris4585> wrst, check that out ^
[22:49] <orias> lol scrot
[22:54] <chris4585> scrot is a good screenshot program :)
[22:54] <chris4585> cli type
[22:54] <orias> >.>
[22:54] <orias> for some reason apt-get install scrot
[22:55] <orias> does *not* make me want to see what it is
[22:55] <chris4585> that should work
[22:55] <chris4585> lol
[22:55] <chris4585> its actually nice just has a weird name
[22:56]  * orias apt-cache searches for vulgar things now
[23:22]  * cyberanger bets 10 bucks orias will find something too
[23:36] <orias> nothing yet :(