[11:36] <mpt> xnox, hi, I'm working on the LVM design again. When you make a logical volume, do you get to name it? If so, what are the constraints on the name?
[11:38] <cjwatson> mpt: Yes, you get to name it.  The valid names are documented in http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man8/lvm.8.html#contenttoc7
[11:40] <mpt> a-z A-Z 0-9 + _ . -
[11:41] <mpt> Thanks cjwatson
[11:41] <mpt> I wonder what a sensible default name would be
[11:41] <cjwatson> Let me check what partman-lvm does.
[11:42] <mpt> lv1, lv2, etc?
[11:42] <cjwatson> Can't say sequence numbers are desperately pleasant.
[11:42] <cjwatson> Does it need a default?  LV names are supposed to be human-meaningful; that's kind of one of the benefits.
[11:43] <cjwatson> d-i doesn't supply a default name and I don't remember hearing complaints about that.
[11:43] <cjwatson> I tend to name them based on what I plan to use them for ...
[11:44] <mpt> It doesn't need a default, it's just a choice between having a default (pre-selected for typing over) vs. a greater possibility of presenting an error message
[11:44] <mpt> (though that error message would still be needed if you explicitly tried to set the name to "")
[11:45] <cjwatson> Or one of the special reserved names.
[11:46] <cjwatson> People aren't likely to use "pvmove" by accident, but "snapshot" isn't that far out of the question.
[11:46] <mpt> Maybe the same error for that, hopefully a slightly different one
[11:46] <mpt> Having anything exposed in Ubiquity opens it up to a wider range of audience, and therefore complaints, than d-i :-)
[11:47] <cjwatson> Perhaps.  The flip side is that in some ways its users tend to be a bit more conventional.
[11:48] <cjwatson> Arguably.
[11:54] <xnox> mpt: I named my LVM Group as interalhdd
[11:55] <xnox> mpt: individual volumes I named after the mountpoint - e.g full name endedup with internalhdd/root internallhdd/home
[12:03] <mpt> There's such a thing as an LVM group?
[12:04] <mpt> oh, huh
[12:04] <cjwatson> volume group
[12:05] <mpt> Oh, a "volume group" is what I thought was called a "logical volume"
[12:05] <mpt> ok
[12:06] <xnox> /dev/sda + /dev/sdb (physical volumes) = (physical group) => (logical group) "internalhdd"
[12:06] <cjwatson> s/physical group/volume group/
[12:06] <xnox> (logicalgroup) "internalhdd" => logical volumes, e.g. root home usr, with mount points and filesystems
[12:06] <mpt> xnox, hm, so are "internalhdd/root" and "internalhdd/home" partitions you put on this logical volume group?
[12:07] <xnox> yeap. you partition a volume group into logical volumes with is transperant/equivalent to partitioning a drive into partitions
[12:07] <cjwatson> "internalhdd" is a VG; "root" and "home" are LVs.  You put filesystems on LVs.
[12:16] <mpt> Okay, I have sketches of two possible designs for this, I'll scan them and you can see what you think
[12:17]  * xnox is excited
[12:23] <mpt> xnox, http://imgur.com/RnyVL
[12:24] <mpt> So in the first one you have separate panes for (a) all the physical disks and (b) all the current VGs
[12:25] <mpt> and funnel-like shading between the two, to show which physical disks make up which VG
[12:26] <mpt> In the second, a single tree view, with a branch at the start for any physical disks that aren't currently in a VG
[12:28] <mpt> Drawback of the first design is that it could be a bit cramped horizontally. Drawback of the second design is that if you have lots of VGs, you might not be able to see a VG, and the disk you want to add to it, simultaneously.
[12:31] <cjwatson> PVs (the constituent elements of VGs) are normally partitions rather than disks (although it's technically possible to use whole disks for them).
[12:31] <cjwatson> I generally strongly recommend using partitions because that way it's clearer where to put things like boot loaders.
[12:32] <cjwatson> So I would s/disks/partitions/g there I think.
[12:32] <mpt> oh, huh
[12:32] <mpt> So what does "physical" mean, then, if not "something you can hold in your hand"?
[12:32] <mpt> Or would knowing that make my head hurt?
[12:32] <cjwatson> It means something with defined physical extents on a disk.
[12:32] <cjwatson> Rather than something that's free to move around at will.
[12:32] <cjwatson> s/defined/fixed/
[12:33] <mpt> If a PV can be a partition, and LVGs can be partitioned, does that mean LVM can be nested?
[12:33] <cjwatson> It's more or less the same metaphor as physical vs. virtual memory
[12:33] <xnox> physical volume can be: whole disk (sda), parition (sda1), complex device (crypt), already assembled raid device (md0)
[12:33] <cjwatson> Pass :-)  But you don't normally partition LVs.
[12:33] <cjwatson> In principle you might be able to use an LV as a PV, but, err, maybe the tools prohibit it because it's stupid.  I've never tried.
[12:34] <xnox> mpt: no, lvm should not be nested.
[12:34] <mpt> Is the difference between logical and physical volumes anything to do with the difference between logical and physical partitions?
[12:34] <cjwatson> I like your first design better than your second.
[12:34] <mpt> Or are they just coincidental uses of the same terms?
[12:34] <cjwatson> I think that's mostly coincidental, unfortunately.
[12:34] <cjwatson> Well, different layers perhaps
[12:34] <mpt> phew+ugh
[12:34] <cjwatson> Actually
[12:35] <cjwatson> It's logical vs. primary partitions, not logical vs. physica.
[12:35] <cjwatson> +l
[12:35] <xnox> i like second if it has three heading types: no LVM; lvmgroup hdd; new group. With ability to drag and drop. Dropping a partition on the the 'new group' should ask to name it
[12:35] <mpt> xnox, drag and drop would be possible in either design, I think
[12:35] <xnox> ok
[12:35] <cjwatson> Drag and drop is a bit unpleasant when you have to scroll.
[12:35] <mpt> yes, not the primary interaction method, just a bonus
[12:36] <xnox> if drap and drop possible, first design is better if you have many disks/partitions.
[12:36] <cjwatson> Right, what I mean is that if it's there as a bonus, we should make sure that the design is such that you can have the drag source and target on screen simultaneously.  Otherwise it's more like a taunt.
[12:36] <mpt> fair enough
[12:37]  * xnox yeah trying to scroll while dragging is a pain, both with good intention and by mistake
[12:37] <mpt> Autoscroll while dragging is something developers often get wrong
[12:37] <cjwatson> I don't think horizontal space should be too bad with the first design; physical partition names will generally be short (except maybe in some crazy raid cases or something, but still not that long), and usually VG names aren't essays.
[12:37] <cjwatson> We can default the VG name to "ubuntu".
[12:37] <mpt> Bearing in mind that the dialog can be wider than my sketch, I just did it that narrow so I could fit two on one page :-)
[12:37] <cjwatson> Since most people will only have one.
[12:37] <cjwatson> (And lots of LVs.)
[12:38] <xnox> cjwatson: mpt has proposed to not offer lvm&crypt in the auto-partition page in this itteration, do you agree that it's only for manual partitioning? shall auto-recipes for lvm/lvmcrypt be available for pre-seeding only?
[12:38]  * xnox notes, get dual-widescreen pages for mpt =))))
[12:39]  * mpt rotates the paper 90 degrees
[12:39] <cjwatson> I don't agree that it's only for manual partitioning in general, but if you want to prune it as a scope control exercise for this release then I'm OK with that, I guess.
[12:39] <cjwatson> LVM+crypto is the easiest way to get a completely encrypted system.
[12:39] <cjwatson> So I do think it's something we should aim to present as an automatic option.
[12:40] <mpt> cjwatson, I can imagine either an "Encrypt this disk" checkbox which does LVM+crypto behind the scenes for whichever auto partitioning option you chose
[12:40] <mpt> (minus the partitions belonging to other OSes, of course)
[12:41] <cjwatson> (Reason to use LVM on top of crypto rather than crypto alone: you generally have more than one partition-like object at the bottom level, and if you only have a single encrypted container then you only have to enter one password.)
[12:41] <mpt> Or, a separate "Disk encryption" step that asks you with more explanation up-front
[12:42] <mpt> But yes, I do think we should start with it just in the advanced partitioner, and work out from there.
[12:43] <mpt> Avoid feature regression before doing new stuff.
[12:43] <cjwatson> Makes sense
[12:45] <mpt> I'll let you think about the design until tomorrow, and then I'll draw it in higher resolution and write it up in detail
[12:45]  * xnox feels like writting a concept optional plugin for ubiquity automatic partitioner to add that as a demo, for smart people who know how respin CD's / update ubiquity in the live session. High enough barrier of entry.
[12:50] <cjwatson> ubiquity --enable-blah
[12:51] <cjwatson> We had the opposite for migration-assistant for a while, so there's precedent.
[12:51] <cjwatson> In fact I think that's how I deployed the advanced partitioner rewrite in feisty.
[12:51] <xnox> you did.
[12:51] <xnox> I was thinking
[12:51] <xnox> ubiquity --danger-do-not-use
[12:51] <cjwatson> Yeah, you had to say 'ubiquity --new-partitioner'
[12:52]  * xnox following btrfs release naming scheme
[12:52] <xnox> cjwatson: ok, gotcha.
[12:53] <cjwatson> Having to use a command line option is sufficient deterrent to the casual.
[12:53] <cjwatson> IMO anyway.
[12:54] <xnox> yeah, I keep forgetting that casuals don't use terminals
[12:54] <antarus> heh, casuals
[12:55] <xnox> although I did train my relatives to reliably open reverse ssh port forward to trusted people only (me)
[15:30] <xnox> cjwatson: have you seen my email/question on the ubuntu-installer mailing list, w.r.t ubi_partman not picking up lvm recepes/options into the statemachine to be a valid answer for a question
[15:31] <xnox> and how to best adjust datastructure to accomodate for multiple variants per installation type
[15:31]  * cjwatson goes to read list mail
[15:31] <cjwatson> Expect some delay, sounds like a hard question ;-)
[15:32] <xnox> cjwatson: you answered half of the email with 'just use something like --new-partitioner' flag to hide ugly non-designed ui
[18:24] <bdmurray> stgraber: could you look at bug 929092?
[18:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 929092 in oem-priority "ubiquity crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.NmSettingWirelessSecurityErrorQuark.Code1: Failed to determine AP security information" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/929092
[18:32] <stgraber> bdmurray: the fix does sound good, would need someone to test this though
[18:33] <bdmurray> someone like?
[18:33] <stgraber> someone who has a test machine with a wireless card ;)
[18:35] <stgraber> trying to reproduce with a WPA key of less than 8 characters, then doing an in place change of /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py, adding the proposed try/except block and checking that ubi-wireless no longer crashes
[18:35] <stgraber> if that works, I'm certainly happy to commit the change to ubiquity's trunk and precise branch (can't SRU just yet as there's already one in -proposed)
[19:13] <skaet> slangasek,  ev,  in errors.ubuntu.com,  for 12.04, over last month period,  there's an ubiquity crash showing up, without a bug number (freq 4600, first seen 2.10.8, last seen 2.10.17)
[19:15] <ev> skaet: yeah, I'm still working on the ability to create a bug from errors.ubuntu.com
[19:15] <ev> it became complicated when I found out launchpadlib wasn't thread safe
[19:15] <ev> which was further complication from not being able to use OAuth
[19:16] <skaet> ev,  ah...  thanks.  ok,  just was wondering if it was something we should be targetting to fix for 12.04.1
[19:16]  * skaet looking forward to the bugs getting auto created.
[19:17] <ev> skaet: I can't say about the specific crash. That's up to whoever is hacking on ubiquity
[19:17] <ev> bugs wont be auto-created, there was push back on that
[19:17] <ev> but we're trying to find middle ground
[19:17] <ev> we'll likely auto-create for the top X
[19:17] <skaet> ev,  that'll work.
[19:17] <ev> and then leave the rest to someone clicking a link on errors.ubuntu.com
[19:18] <skaet> yeah,  clicking on the ones that are worrisome and the bugs being created would solve it
[19:20] <skaet> ev,  top 20 over the last month might be reasonable goal for the auto create,  but getting so that we click and a bug get opened so we can track it in our other systems would be higher priority to me.
[19:21] <ev> yup, I basically had the latter working
[19:21] <ev> but due to the issues around lplib, I'll have to either push it behind rabbit/celery
[19:21] <ev> or just hit launchpad directly with good ol http
[19:22] <ev> s/basically/did/
[20:21] <ev> skaet: rob just approved hitting LP's API directly, rather than going through lplib. So expect the create bug links before the weekend, or next week at the latest.
[20:22] <skaet> woot!  :)
[20:22] <skaet> thanks ev!
[20:23] <ev> skaet: Do you think it's reasonable to let anyone click on them, or do you think we really need to be authenticated to open ID to initiate that (they'll all be created by a bot user).
[20:23] <ev> I'm inclined to say "anyone", as we're only doing it this way to avoid doing it for every single one, regardless of size, and it's unlikely that people will see the really small ones.
[20:23] <ev> the create bug links, that is
[20:24] <skaet> ev,  I'm biased to let it be everyone intially, and then ratchet it back to members of certain groups only if we have problems.
[20:24] <ev> sounds excellent
[20:24] <ev> thanks


[01:42] <Sarvatt> bryyce: changing line 308 in platform/gtk-x11/setup.py to             return "%s-mt-py26" % s seems to have worked for me
[01:44] <Sarvatt> wrong channel :D
[02:36] <Sarvatt> dont think that patch is working right yet
[02:43] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/357346/
[02:52] <Sarvatt> hmm xserver build is screwy, configure: DRI2 AIGLX disabled, __DRI_DRI2 not defined in dri_interface.h.
[02:55] <Sarvatt> guess its my build environment thats screwy, not doing that on a PPA
[02:55] <bryyce> crashing at a different spot
[03:46] <Sarvatt> well disabling 100 works
[03:48] <Sarvatt> un-fixing gdm to try guest session with a non-segfault-on-fatal-error xserver and see what interesting things happen
[03:50] <Sarvatt> it works with the current GDM
[03:50] <bryyce> Sarvatt, with the updated patch from -1ubuntu7?
[03:50] <Sarvatt> no with 100 dropped completely
[03:50] <Sarvatt> 1ubuntu7 still segfaults :(
[03:50] <bryyce> ??
[03:51] <bryyce> *sigh*
[03:51] <Sarvatt> just run X from gnome-terminal, you'll get the same segfault
[03:51] <Sarvatt> thats what i pasted up there, looks like that with 1ubuntu7 :(
[03:52] <Sarvatt> you changed PY to P9 now though (the 2 letters that always appear in the junk :)
[03:52] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/357364/
[03:52] <Sarvatt> without 100 I get that, and guest session works without any changes
[03:58] <Sarvatt> well I shouldn't say just without 100, I disabled most ubuntu patches that time including 160 too
[04:00] <bryyce> hrm, well there's a couple ErrorF()'s in FatalSignal
[04:00] <bryyce> I *think* those go before the log gets closed but would be easy to test disabling them
[04:02] <bryyce> or maybe this bit of the patch needs to be more elaborate:
[04:02] <bryyce> +        if (signo != 0) {
[04:02] <bryyce> +            raise(signo);
[04:02] <bryyce> like maybe only raise on specific signals
[04:02] <bryyce> ok, wife is telling me to get off the computer
[04:04] <bryyce> lemme know if you sort it out, else maybe we should just chuck the patch and not have apport giving us crash bugs ;-)
[08:25] <vish> huh.. the guest session X crash also arises with "switch user"


[00:21] <pmatulis> rcsheets: ok
[00:21] <rcsheets> pmatulis: in fact, it turned out to be my own pure stupidity, not a bug at all
[01:00] <Roxyhart0> hi there...i got a question i change the IP in a diferent vlan for my samba PDC server but know when i try to join client to the domain or access to the domain client that were already joined, i got the message that can not find the domain (there  are no firewall) between diferent vlans. Somebody know what could be the problem?
[01:30] <mase_wk> hi guys, can anyone tell me the correct way to disable / enable the upstart enabled init scripts ?
[01:31] <mase_wk> should  update-rc.d work still or is there another way to do it ? i tried removing mysqld with update-rc.d however it still appears to start on boot
[03:18] <silentwhisper> how is the basic step by step setting up of mail server?
[03:18] <silentwhisper> postfix,dovecote,and squirel is this correct
[03:19] <silentwhisper> ?
[03:21] <mase_wk> silentwhisper: yeh that sounds about right
[03:22] <mase_wk> postfix+dovecot is a good combination
[03:28] <dominicdinada> has anybody had any problems with samba shares since the most recent update today ?
[04:08] <hungnv> hello everyone
[04:10] <hungnv> I have a question about apt-get and dpkg. Once I use apt-get install or dpkg -i packagename, some package popup a buffer ask me to input data, likes ldaputils, it asks me for ldap server address, ldap version...
[04:10] <hungnv> how can I just skip that buffer?
[04:11] <twb> hungnv: set the debconf priority to critical, or if you're scripting, set the debconf UI to "noninteractive".
[04:11] <twb> hungnv: obviously this shouldn't be done blithely, since some of those questions are important
[04:13] <hungnv> twb: yes, I'm scripting. I have about 100 clients and now I must install just one application for all. Now I'm on server side and excecute my deployment script to do that job automatically.
[04:14] <hungnv> config files was created before, after installation completed, I just copy configuration file to right place
[04:14] <twb> It'd be better to preseed the answers to ldap-auth-config
[04:15] <hungnv> twb: what do you mean?
[04:16] <twb> Rather than saying "don't ask me" and then overwriting whatever it does -- which can cause problems if there's an upgrade (such as a security update), it'd be better to provide the answers in advance, letting it write the correct file itself.
[04:20] <hungnv> it will takes a very long time to do such a simple job
[04:21] <lowridah> if the servers to be deployed to aren't already in action you can kickstart them, specify the packages to install, and configure the LDAP settings in preseed or ks
[04:22] <lowridah> otherwise you might consider looking into puppet+mcollective if you plan on doing large scale software deployments
[04:24] <lowridah> hungnv:  http://blog.hjksolutions.com/articles/2007/07/27/unattended-package-installation-with-debian-and-ubuntu
[04:25] <twb> I don't know why you'd go with kickstart over preseeding.
[04:25] <lowridah> because i remember all the kickstart directives i'd need to install ubuntu
[04:25] <lowridah> i have to look at preseed examples?
[04:25] <twb> Yeah, so it's really only for RHEL refugees
[04:26] <hungnv> lowridah: thank for the link
[04:26] <lowridah> hungnv:  np
[04:26] <lowridah> twb:  if that was true, ubuntu wouldn't be so anaconda compliant
[04:26] <silentwhisper> hi i like to setup webmail
[04:26] <lowridah> i'm not debating how to deploy, i'm just saying what i do.
[04:26] <twb> Fair enough
[04:26] <twb> As for me, I preseed Debian and kickstart RHEL
[04:26] <hungnv> lowridah: I deploy these software for clients, not for server
[04:26] <silentwhisper> postfix, them imap then squirel is this correct?
[04:27] <lowridah> i kickstart ubuntu and the redhats off a WDS server
[04:27] <lowridah> call me crazy.
[04:27] <twb> WDS?
[04:27] <lowridah> windows deployment service
[04:27] <twb> Is that Windows <something>?
[04:27] <twb> Right.
[04:28] <lowridah> yes, i deploy most OSes off a windows box.
[04:28] <twb> We don't have Windows at all
[04:28] <lowridah> ahh i work in web hosting, we have all flavors.
[04:31] <hungnv> lowridah: you link is exactly what I want
[04:31] <hungnv> :-)
[04:34] <lowridah> awesome =)
[04:40] <imp7> ok guys, the internet told me to come here and ask apparmor questions.
[04:40] <imp7> I have a java app that is spawning threads or something that look like this: profile="/server/bin/linux-x64/app-monitor//null-16//null-17"
[04:41] <imp7> The null-16 and 17 change.. is there a way to use a variable in the profile name?
[04:41] <imp7> like profile="/server/bin/linux-x64/app-monitor*"
[04:44] <imp7> I have another java app that is showing up in aa-unconfined like this: 16362 /server/runtime/bin/pc-app (../runtime/bin/pc-app) not confined
[04:45] <twb> imp7: #ubuntu-hardened is probably better for apparmor
[04:45] <twb> But we can also try to help
[04:46] <imp7> thanks :)
[04:47] <twb> (Admittedly, I don't know the answer to that one myself.)
[04:47] <lowridah> it was all moonspeak to me
[04:48] <twb> lowridah: apparmor is a LSM (linux security module) that adds MAC (mandatory access control) based on paths, where selinux uses inodes.
[04:48] <lowridah> ahh
[04:48] <twb> His problem is that his java apps change the paths they need all the time
[04:48] <lowridah> i see
[04:49] <twb> imp7: silly question: when you say "threads" are you talking about green threads, pthreads, or conventional processes?
[04:49] <imp7> not sure myself
[04:50] <imp7> they arnt in ps but show up in the kern.log while my profile is in complain mode
[04:50] <twb> Hum
[04:57] <imyousuf> I have installed UEC for the first time (total newbie) on a single node with node controller option selected and downloaded the lucid lynx 64 bit version from the store. Now when I am trying to run the image I am getting - http://paste.ubuntu.com/467353/ My machine configuration is core i7, 4G RAM, 1G VGA, Lucid Lynx 64-bit. Any idea how I could solve it?
[05:17] <hggdh> imyousuf: run 'euca-describe-availability-zones verbose', and check the values there
[05:18] <imyousuf> doing it right now hggdh
[05:24] <imyousuf> hggdh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467812/ Not sure what is wrong
[05:25] <imyousuf> but the free/max values seems not right, but being a newbie I am not certain
[05:27] <imyousuf> hggdh: what do you think?
[05:28] <hggdh> imyousuf: the free/max columns suggest you do not have an NC active
[05:28] <imyousuf> ok
[05:28] <hggdh> (NC == Node Controller, the piece that actually runs the VMs)
[05:29] <imyousuf> I see
[05:29] <hggdh> so...
[05:29] <imyousuf> but when I installed UEC I selected NC
[05:29] <hggdh> sudo euca_conf --list-nodes
[05:29] <hggdh> wow
[05:29] <imyousuf> doing it
[05:29] <hggdh> back to it -- what exactly did you install? Just the NC?
[05:29] <imyousuf> no hggdh all of them in one single box
[05:30] <hggdh> k
[05:30] <imyousuf> and ran the command its a blank line
[05:30] <hggdh> so no NC active.
[05:30] <hggdh> try 'sudo euca_conf --discover-nodes'
[05:30] <imyousuf> yes, seems so
[05:31] <imyousuf> blank line with: INFO: We expect all nodes to have eucalyptus installed in //var/lib/eucalyptus/keys for key synchronization. at the end hggdh
[05:31] <hggdh> weird
[05:32] <imyousuf> hggdh: I did service eucalyptus-nc status and got "eucalyptus-nc stop/waiting"
[05:32] <hggdh> yeah
[05:32] <imyousuf> so does this mean I need to do - sudo /etc/init.d/eucalyptus-nc start ?
[05:32] <hggdh> ok. try 'sudo start eucalyptus-nc'
[05:33] <imyousuf> ok
[05:33] <imyousuf> it started
[05:34] <hggdh> gotta go, sorry
[05:34] <imyousuf> hggdh: It started and now running discover nodes tells me to setup login-less ssh using authorized keys, let do that and will get back
[05:34] <imyousuf> thanks a lot hggdh
[05:34] <hggdh> welcome
[05:45] <Shapeshiftr> Hey.
[05:45] <Shapeshiftr> Where can I get MemTest for ubuntu server?
[05:48] <twb> apt-get install memtest86+
[05:53] <Shapeshiftr> Thanks.
[05:53] <Roxyhart08>  hi there somebody have a doc to configurate reverse zones for different subnets?
[05:56] <Shapeshiftr> twb , erm, *relative Linux/Debain newbie talking* how do you run it, then?
[05:56] <twb> Shapeshiftr: it appears in your bootloader
[05:57] <twb> Inherently, you cannot run memtest86+ from within the normal system, although you could potentially use kexec-tools to load it without going through a POST
[05:57] <Shapeshiftr> So, how do I check if my memory is working to its fullest extent?
[05:57] <twb> There's also a userland memtest tool that CAN run from within linux, but obviously it's not as reliable
[05:57] <twb> Shapeshiftr: reboot into memtest
[05:58] <Shapeshiftr> Hm, thanks.
[06:04] <Hilikus>  is there any way to keep a server in a low-power state (stand-by) and make it wake up when there are network requests? apache request or ssh request for example
[06:09] <dominicdinada> anybody else having problems with samba shares after the update today ?
[06:15] <twb> Hilikus: basically, no.
[06:15] <twb> Hilikus: assuming by "low power" you mean suspend-to-ram with wake-on-lan.
[06:16] <twb> Hilikus: you can, of course, reduce the CPU frequency and spin down hard disks and similar tricks
[06:22] <Hilikus> twd are those tricks already part of the normal kernel or i have to enable them or install some daemon for it?
[06:24] <twb> Depends
[06:25] <twb> What's your actual goal?  To reduce the electricity bill for your machine room?
[06:35] <mase_wk> Hilikus: if you have so little requests that you can sleep afford for a significant portion of time then your probably better off getting a very low power machine
[06:35] <mase_wk> geode LX or arm based machine
[06:36] <Hilikus> twd, yes. and lower heat production, and also increase the usable life of the parts
[06:36] <twb> Certanly *halting* a machine is actually bad for its overall lifetime
[06:36] <mase_wk> for 7watts i can power a geode Lx500 and get around 33req/s on a completelye dynamic website
[06:37] <twb> Yeah, using low-power gear like the Pentium III or an arm/geode/atom is the most obvious approach.
[06:37] <Hilikus> mase_wk: i'll look into it
[06:37] <mase_wk> ie completely non optimised
[06:37] <Hilikus> thanks guys
[06:38] <twb> Alternatively, if you have a large number of machines, consolidating them into VMs on a single host can help
[06:38] <mase_wk> the new intel chips are very efficient / cool
[06:38] <mase_wk> twb: was just about to suggest that :)
[06:38] <mase_wk> they also come with some advanced VM stuff that KVM will use
[06:39] <twb> As can migrating them to VPSs living in a larger colo that someone else takes care of -- since they have the economy of scale to get that kind of thing right
[06:39] <mase_wk> i'm currently running 12 VM's on a server which is purring along nicely
[06:39] <mase_wk> yeh linode do whole VM's for like $20 pm
[06:40] <twb> mase_wk: we plan to reduce our core network to one soekris router and one Q9550 running everything as a jail (linux) or vm (windows)
[06:40] <twb> Currenty we have more core servers than staff :-(
[06:40] <mase_wk> haha . those soekris boards are good
[06:41] <mase_wk> i'm waiting for someone to make something like the vayetta/ cisco routers with dual core arm CPU's
[06:41] <twb> Why dual core?
[06:42] <mase_wk> so i can run openvpn on the other :)
[06:42] <twb> Uh?
[06:42] <twb> Surely it'll be SMP
[06:43] <mase_wk> well smp would be better :)
[06:43] <twb> So both cores would be running linux
[06:43] <mase_wk> yeh , one for switching the other for interesting thigns
[06:44] <mase_wk> things*
[06:44] <mase_wk> vpn/ firewall etc..
[06:44] <twb> I don't think switching is done in the CPU
[06:44] <mase_wk> well forwarding is done in hardware
[06:44] <twb> Even if it was, I don't think it'd require significant
[06:44] <twb> load
[06:44] <mase_wk> but anything more advanced, vlan etc.. is done on the cpu
[06:45] <mase_wk> depends on what bandwidth you have
[06:45] <mase_wk> and what your doing
[06:45] <twb> Oh, you're talking saturated gige?
[06:46] <twb> I mean, I do tagging and firewall on 100baseT with a 200MHz MIPS, and that doesn't even notice the load
[06:48] <mase_wk> i've found that with those MIPS chips the second they start getting a decent load , adding complex routes or VPN services tends to reduce the throughput
[06:48] <mase_wk> mind you that is with GigE , not 100base as you mentioned
[06:48] <twb> Fair enough
[06:48] <mase_wk> but still, the cisco's i have here are all 30+ wattss
[06:48] <twb> I'm a sysadmin, not a netadmin :-)
[06:49] <mase_wk>  some of the arm chips are measured in milliwatts
[06:49] <twb> Don't forget that each of your lightbulbs will be 25W or more
[06:49] <mase_wk> pft light ? =)
[06:49] <mase_wk> i thought you were a sysadmin
[06:50] <mase_wk> my monitor provides me with a healthy glow
[06:50] <mase_wk> but i see what you mean
[06:51] <twb> Oh, you're still WEAK enough to need a screen?
[06:51]  * twb inflates chest, strikes dramatic pose
[07:10] <Hilikus> if a script run by cron writes to stderr will it be mailed to root or just if it writes to stdout?
[07:11] <twb> Yes
[07:12] <Hilikus> cool, thanks
[07:29] <SandGorgon> anybody using 10.04 servers here ? how has the experience been vs 8.04 ? which hosting are you using ?
[07:38] <thrain][> SandGorgon: using 10.04 in production for some smaller LAMP servers I maintain (mediawiki, dokuwiki, dotproject). It's just as solid as the 8.04 servers I have. They are not in hosting, though; virtual machines in our local VMWare install.
[07:40] <SandGorgon> thrain][, thanks!
[08:03] <Hilikus> thanks guys
[08:26] <huats> moring
[08:26] <huats> morning
[08:28] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. i recently got a dedicated server and see that they have given me a "root" user. How do I disable that and go back to the safer Ubuntu way of "sudo" ?
[08:48] <mase_wk> SandGorgon: install / configure sudo and either disable the rootuser or set a long random password
[08:51] <SandGorgon> hmm... cool
[08:56] <SandGorgon> one more question - in some of my servers, when I log on it gives a nice welcome screen with System Load, Memory Usage, # of logged on users, etc. how do I get this ?
[08:59] <rcsheets> SandGorgon: i believe that is the landscape-common package
[09:26] <SandGorgon> rcsheets, bingo.. thanks
[09:37] <larsemil> imyousuf: any luck with UEC?
[10:16] <hggdh> Daviey: there?
[10:18] <Daviey> hggdh: o/
[10:19] <hggdh> Daviey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/467895/
[10:21] <hggdh> Daviey: and the nodes are still not shown on 'euca_conf --list-ndoes'
[10:24] <Daviey> hggdh: OK.. can you raise a bug?
[10:24] <Daviey> Now it's in the archive.. i really want to track issues via bugs
[10:26] <hggdh> Daviey: certainly
[10:26] <Daviey> hggdh: rocking.
[10:27] <Daviey> hggdh: can you try removing the nodes.list file in /var/* ?
[10:36] <hggdh> Daviey: will do
[11:05] <glen1> is colocation? when you put your hardware in someone elses datacenter?
[11:07] <skuld_kid2> I need some help please.  I tried to add a third hard drive to my volume group, and it didn't work right ,so i removed the drive, but it looks as though i DEGRADED my volume.  and now I can't login  can anybody help?
[11:27] <skuld_kid2> I need some help please.  I tried to add a third hard drive to my volume group, and it didn't work right ,so i removed the drive, but it looks as though i DEGRADED my volume.  and now I can't login  can anybody help?
[12:20] <hggdh> Daviey: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/+bug/609112
[12:40] <Italian_Plumber> should I reboot my server after a kernel update?
[12:47] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: if you want to use the new kernel, yes
[12:49] <Italian_Plumber> how would I decide if I wanted to use the new kernel?
[12:58] <qman__> Italian_Plumber, that's a matter of risk analysis
[12:58] <Italian_Plumber> ah
[12:58] <qman__> look at the list of what was fixed, decide how important that is in your environment, and determine whether/when downtime is worth the benefit
[13:05] <Italian_Plumber> where can I find the list of what was fixed?
[13:09] <qman__> I'm sure it's on launchpad, but finding it is proving non-trivial
[13:10] <qman__> that, and it keeps failing while I'm trying to click links
[13:10] <qman__> here you go: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+changelog
[13:11] <qman__> err, those are for maverick
[13:11] <Italian_Plumber> i'm on hardy
[13:11] <qman__> ah, ok
[13:11] <qman__> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux/+changelog
[13:11] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: what kernel is it?
[13:12] <Italian_Plumber> well I have one server that I reboot every day, another production server that I probably should reboot off hours, and two other servers that are non-production.
[13:14] <Italian_Plumber> http://pastebin.com/Mc1ArmcM  <-- update log
[13:14] <Italian_Plumber> I bleieve it is 2.6.24-28 ... but it seems to have updated two kernels.
[13:15] <Italian_Plumber> thanks qman__
[13:15] <qman__> looks like there were a lot of fairly important bugfixes in that version
[13:16] <Italian_Plumber> mmk
[13:16] <qman__> so I'd suggest rebooting at next convenient opportunity
[13:16] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: try /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.24-whatever/changelog.Debian.gz
[13:18] <Italian_Plumber> cool... thanks pmatulis
[13:21] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: are you really an Italian plumber?
[13:21] <Italian_Plumber> me and my brother Mario, yup...
[13:21] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: nice
[13:23] <pmatulis> Italian_Plumber: i had to have a plumber come over the other day, i pierced a hole in a water pipe with a drill
[13:24] <bogeyd6> How do I disconnect an iscsi mount?
[13:25] <pmatulis> bogeyd6: logout and delete i think
[13:26] <bogeyd6> you know, i could just uninstall the open-iscsi
[13:26] <bogeyd6> i was just testing it on my laptop
[13:26] <pmatulis> bogeyd6: iscsiadm -m node -p $ISCSI_TARGET --logout; iscsiadm -m node -p $ISCSI_TARGET -o delete
[13:26] <bogeyd6> awesome
[13:30] <bogeyd6> gnome terminal needs a copy and paste shortcut
[13:30] <jpds> bogeyd6: Shift-Insert?
[13:30] <jpds> bogeyd6: middle-click ?
[13:30] <bogeyd6> middle click, nice
[13:31] <bogeyd6> you just increased my productivity
[13:31] <bogeyd6> we got these solaris machines for a SAN running 28tb online in high availability
[13:32] <bogeyd6> and if you think because you are linux expert you can admin a solaris box, you are quite wrong ol chap
[13:59] <bogeyd6> Has anyone here upgraded a server from 9.10 to 10.04 yet? Can you share with me difficulties?
[14:01] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. is it recommended to use "vm.overcommit_memory = 2" on linux for a Mysql DB server with 8GB RAM ? Our database size is about 1GB
[14:07] <pmatulis> SandGorgon: is that OOM-related?
[14:08] <bogeyd6> SandGorgon, probably not unless you are aiming for what that provides
[14:11] <bogeyd6> SandGorgon, http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/vm/
[14:12] <SandGorgon> I actually read while reading up on optimizing database performance on Ubuntu. It recommended that vm be set with that setting
[14:19] <silentwhisper> sir pls check if my postfix set up is ok
[14:19] <silentwhisper> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/a8p7zku8
[14:22] <silentwhisper> hello
[14:28] <silentwhisper> please help
[14:50] <pmatulis> simplexio: what's the problem?
[15:37] <sommer> :-)
[15:47] <Nokio> Hi all, I am looking for a tool on my ubuntu 10.04 server that would allow me to know at the end of the day how much bandwidth my server generated. In the form of total download upload for the day ? is that possible?
[15:54] <bogeyd6> Nokio, two things comes to mind, cacti and mrtg
[15:54] <bogeyd6> also http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html
[15:56] <Nokio> bogeyd6, ok thanks a lot i will go read about these. Thanks and have a nice day !
[16:02] <Nokio> bogeyd6, These 2 seems to be really cool and complete. I was more looking for a tool that requires maybe lest configuration because all i need is to know for a few week how much bandwidth is generated by 1 server
[16:02] <bogeyd6> check the website then
[16:03] <bogeyd6> Nokio,  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html
[16:03] <Nokio> bogeyd6, ok cool thanks ! have a nice day
[16:03] <bogeyd6> parle vou francais?
[16:05] <pmatulis> bogeyd6: yes
[16:06] <sherr> Nokio: also something called "vnstat" might be worth a look
[17:35] <jaraco> I have libneon 0.29.0 installed (a dependency of subversion 1.6.6). I'd like to upgrade to libneon 0.29.1 or later (and have subversion use that package). What's the best way to do this?
[17:35] <RoyK> hm... top - 18:34:41 up  3:33,  3 users,  load average: 24.74, 17.09, 11.72
[17:46] <pmatulis> ouch
[17:46]  * RoyK just installed a new  toy for the scientists at work - a dual 12-core opteron thing with 64 gigs memory
[17:47] <RoyK> so the current load of ~25 isn't so bad, really :)
[17:48] <pmatulis> what are those scientists doing?  did you ever ask?  :)
[17:49] <RoyK> pmatulis: currently running inversion jobs on this particle movement model used during the Eyjafjallajökull eruption to try to make it better
[17:50] <RoyK> stuff like that takes cpu time
[17:50] <pmatulis> gotcha
[17:50] <pmatulis> do you fine tune that beast?
[17:50] <RoyK> nah - just installed Lucid
[17:51] <RoyK> I/O is on NFS to an opensolaris box with a truckload of drives (50TB net)
[17:53] <FunnyLookinHat> I forget - should I use useradd or adduser ?
[17:54] <RoyK> useradd -m
[17:54] <RoyK> that is, -m is 'make homedir'
[17:54] <FunnyLookinHat> kk ty
[17:54] <RoyK> but usually you want that
[17:54] <RoyK> man useradd
[17:55] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/top-24.png
[17:57] <FunnyLookinHat> RoyK: lol - the man page suggests using adduesr
[17:57] <RoyK> oh well :)
[17:58] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: adduser is a wrapper to useradd
[17:58] <RoyK> I'm probably to used to useradd, then
[17:58] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: it simplifies things, uses defaults
[17:58] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: see /etc/adduser.conf
[17:59] <FunnyLookinHat> Right - simple is good.  :)
[17:59] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: especially on a friday
[17:59] <pmatulis> too bad i'm working on ipsec, sniff
[18:00] <FunnyLookinHat> haha
[18:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm just provisioning server images - so much easier...
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo aptitude install <insert ridiculously long list of packages>
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> git clone
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> ./configure
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> done.
[18:01] <pmatulis> nice
[18:01] <FunnyLookinHat> so far so good :)
[18:28] <RoyK> hi all. I have a couple of 'number crunchers', one with 2x8 cores and another with 2x12 cores, both with 64 gigs of RAM. Should Ubuntu Server (lucid) work well on these without further tuning? If not, how can I see if something is slowing things down?
[18:29] <cwillu_at_work> RoyK, as much as anything works well without tuning, I'd expect so, yes
[18:30] <cwillu_at_work> The user-space isn't terribly relevant to this, and if the kernel gives you trouble, it's trivial to run a different one
[18:30] <RoyK> the 16 core box has been running a few weeks, and except a problem where the kernel seemd to eat a truckload of memory (a reboot fixed it), the system has been stably running at 100% load on all cores. Both show minimal system and wio times (althought the 24 core box has only been running a few hours)
[18:31] <RoyK> the users (scientists) mostly run up to a few more cpu intensive processes than active cores available, so I guess the scheduler shouldn't have much problem with it
[18:35] <cwillu_at_work> slabtop is useful to investigate kernel memory leaks
[18:35] <RoyK> that didn't find anything
[18:36] <RoyK> anyway - I haven't seen it lately
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> yep, throughput is the problem that the scheduler solves at the expense of latency, to the chagrin of desktop users everywhere :p
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> define didn't find anything
[18:36] <RoyK> but it was 40gigs or so lost, even after the userspace processes were stopped
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> If the kernel had allocated memory, then slabtop would show it :p
[18:37] <RoyK> I couldn't find where it was allocated, and what used to be a quick machine, turned into something from the ninetees
[18:37] <RoyK> anyway - will check more if it happens again
[18:38] <cwillu_at_work> slabtop -s a should be useful
[18:38] <RoyK> 24 cores and 64 gigs of RAM in a NOK 50k box isn't bad
[18:38] <RoyK> or USD9k
[18:39] <RoyK> bbl
[19:14] <pedahzur> Trying to do an upgrade, getting this error message for the package 'linux-server' "linux-server: Depends: linux-image-server (= <IP_ADDRESS>.25) but <IP_ADDRESS>.24 is to be installed" Anyone else seen it?
[19:16] <pedahzur> I do have backports enabled, but not proposed.
[19:17] <pedahzur> Disabled backports...same error.
[19:18] <talcite> hey guys, I just updated the scst wiki page for ubuntu-server. Could someone who knows infiniband take a look and tell me what they think? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/scst
[19:21] <sherr> pedahzur: I see that as well today. On these occasions, I usually just wait a day or so and the problem gets fixed.
[19:31] <pedahzur> sherr: Yeah, it usually does, but it's still a bit disconcerting that an broken update was released.
[20:26] <quakenul> hi there
[20:27] <quakenul> i'm having trouble installing 10.04 64-bit server from a usb drive and hoped someone could help
[20:27] <quakenul> i prepared the stick and the installer booted just from but then tried to check for a CD drive
[20:27] <quakenul> which doesn't exist
[20:27] <quakenul> from = fine
[20:28] <quakenul> i searched for a solution but was unable to find one
[20:32] <pedahzur> quakenul: How did you prepare the USB stick?
[20:33] <quakenul> using the universal usb installer in windows
[20:35] <pedahzur> quakenul: I did this recently using the Ubuntu "USB Startup Disk Creator."  Everything worked fine, but it wrote the boot loader to the USB drive (since it was /dev/sda, and I was installing on a machine with a RAID card, and the drive was actually /dev/cciss/c0d0) You might want to give that a try.
[20:35] <quakenul> alright then, i will give it a try, thanks!
[20:35] <pedahzur> quakenul: Not really sure what to say otherwise: it didn't have any trouble finding the "CD" for me.
[20:35] <failover> quakenul
[20:35] <failover> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:35] <failover> go to Know Issues
[20:36] <failover> there is a workaround
[20:36] <quakenul> i If you get "Incorrect CD-ROM detected" error
[20:36] <quakenul> are you talking about this paragraph?
[20:36] <failover> yeap
[20:36] <quakenul> well, i checked and this option is actually already there
[20:37] <quakenul> thanks anyway :)
[20:37] <quakenul> i will give usb startup disk creator a try
[20:37] <failover> At the boot prompt type "install cdrom-detect/try-usb=true"
[20:37] <failover> this works fine for me
[20:38] <quakenul> hm okay let me check
[20:41] <SandGorgon> when I use curl -LO to download a file (for example http://pl2.php.net/get/php-5.2.13.tar.gz/from/pl.php.net/mirror), it names the file "mirror". How do I get it to name it php-5.2.13.tar.gz
[20:41] <quakenul> nope, sadly not working
[20:41] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey guys - I'm getting this error when trying to bring up NFS:  * Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel.
[20:41] <FunnyLookinHat> I followed the guide to a T on https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-file-system.html
[20:45] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: well, what kind of kernel are you using?
[20:45] <FunnyLookinHat> pmatulis: stock as far as I know...  hold on
[20:46] <FunnyLookinHat> pmatulis: <IP_ADDRESS>-rscloud     It's an image for RackspaceCloud
[20:46] <FunnyLookinHat> But I'm seeing issues that the stock kernel seems to not register as being compatible anyways...
[20:46] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: so it's not a stock ubuntu kernel
[20:46] <FunnyLookinHat> I suppose not...  :(
[20:48] <pmatulis> FunnyLookinHat: grep NFSD in your kernel config file that *should* be under /boot
[20:50] <FunnyLookinHat> pmatulis: looks like the kernel improperly doesn't have a symbol that the nfs startup script looks for...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/493145
[20:50] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm trying one of the patches...  :)
[20:51] <FunnyLookinHat> better yet - I just removed the check to make sure the kernel is compatible
[20:54] <sweltman_> Is this the right forum for bugs in updater?  attempting upgrade to 10.04 server but unsuccessful.
[20:54] <d3vnu11> sweltman_: what error are you getting?
[20:55] <sweltman_> unable to update (tool states broken dependencies)
[20:56] <sweltman_> there are none that I know about
[20:56] <d3vnu11> what are the broken dependencies?  I ask because I was just having an issue with a broken dependency for the linux-image-virtual package
[20:56] <d3vnu11> i think that the us.archive.ubuntu.com mirrors have a broken Packages.gz file
[20:57] <sweltman_> D3v, to be honest, I have no idea where to find them, I didn't see any on the GUI
[20:57] <d3vnu11> did you follow a howto on upgrading?  just curious what method you used
[20:58] <sweltman_> d3vnull, I clicked on the upgrade to 10.04 LTS on software update tool.
[20:59] <sweltman_> d3v, I am using the server version only as the base.  It's also running gnome on GUI + desktop pkgs
[21:00] <d3vnu11> ah, sorry I don't know how that reports errors, so I'm not sure how much help I could be
[21:00] <sweltman_> thats ok.  thank you anyhow for asking!
[21:00] <d3vnu11> no prob
[21:01] <sweltman_> #ubuntu-bugs
[21:32] <gurudrew> Hello all. I'm running 9.10, and trying to set up a virtual server environment using KVM. I'm trying to install Windows Server 2008, for which I apparently need an X-friendly environment. So I did apt-get install gdm
[21:33] <gurudrew> Now my system goes to grub and has no option to boot, goes straight into grub shell
[21:33] <gurudrew> Inserting my 9.10 CD to recover, on my list of recovery options, when I select my partition, it tells me it's not recognized
[21:33] <gurudrew> how can I check/repair a drive from recovery console?
[21:37] <pedahzur> gurudrew: Assuming you can access the drive, 'fsck /dev/sdX' where X is the device letter should do it.  Might have to modify that for special devices such as RAID controllers, etc.
[21:38] <pedahzur> gurudrew: That is a bit odd though...installing GDM shouldn't keep you from bootin.
[21:38] <gurudrew> May have been a bad shutdown
[21:38] <gurudrew> fsck, though, thank you
[21:39] <pedahzur> oh!
[21:40] <^peanut^> pedahzur: I just told him the same thing in #ubuntu =)
[21:40] <pedahzur> gurudrew: Sorry, You'll probably need /dev/sdXN...N is the partition number.
[21:40] <gurudrew> aye
[21:40] <pedahzur> ^peanut^: Yeah, well, when we're desperate, we often scatter shot our questions. :)
[21:40] <^peanut^> pedahzur: agreed
[21:41] <^peanut^> ?
[21:41] <pedahzur>  ^peanut^: I know I have.
[21:41] <quakenul> alright, using unetbootin instead of the universal usb installer i was able to get the setup running
[21:41] <^peanut^> pedahzur: yea me to over the years
[21:41] <pedahzur> quakenul: Glad to hear it!
[21:41] <quakenul> also updated the wiki to reflect that in case someone else has the same problem
[21:41] <quakenul> thanks for your help guys
[21:42] <quakenul> see ya :)
[21:44] <gurudrew> weird
[21:45] <gurudrew> getting "device or resource busy"
[21:46] <^peanut^> gurudrew: did you umount /dev/sdX
[21:46] <gurudrew> yeah
[21:46] <gurudrew> weird
[21:46] <^peanut^> gurudrew: did you reboot in single usermod? with the -s option passed to the kernel
[21:47] <gurudrew> No, I didn't, I booted into repair mode
[21:47] <^peanut^> try: fuser -kuc /dev/sdX
[21:47] <gurudrew> When I boot directly it goes into grub shell
[21:48] <gurudrew> no fuser
[21:48] <gurudrew> only fusermount
[21:48] <gurudrew> :\
[21:48] <gurudrew> gotta go, meeting, will be back shortly
[21:48] <^peanut^> k
[22:20] <webPragmatist> whats the consensus… are private keys normally per domain or just one for apache
[22:20] <webPragmatist> seems like a pain in the but generating it per domain… but in the event your private key was confiscated you wouldn't have to pay per signed cert
[22:22] <pedahzur> Has anyone used the SMB LDAP tools in Ubuntu Server? When I run them, it barfs with: "Unable to open /etc/opt/IDEALX/smbldap-tools/smbldap.conf for reading !"  This is smbldap-tools 0.9.5-1.
[22:28] <gurudrew> back
[22:39] <gurudrew> booted with -s
[22:39] <gurudrew> getting "device or resource busy" still
[23:06] <Jordan_U> gurudrew: Do you get an error message before the grub shell with a normal boot?
[23:08] <gurudrew> no
[23:08] <gurudrew> I ditched it and started a fresh install
[23:08] <gurudrew> nothing of importance on the install
[23:08] <gurudrew> probably some underlying old issue anyway
[23:09] <gurudrew> I want to use Ubuntu as the base of a VM
[23:09] <gurudrew> 1 Ubuntu server, 1 Windows 2008 server
[23:09] <gurudrew> Is KVM my best bet?
[23:09] <corpse> Hi im running ubuntu lucid server on an htpc. I just istalled a ATI Radeon 4350. I installed the catalyst 10.6 file but when i run fglrxinfo i get: Error: unable to open display (null)  I am not quite sure what to do from here. aticonfig --list-adapters shows 0.1:00.0 ATI Radeon HD 4300/4500 Series
[23:15] <pedahzur> Ah..."problem" with ldap tools is that they aren't configured at install time. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smbldap-tools/+bug/126038
[23:48] <EvilPhoenix> does anyone know how I can specify where iptables logs to?  by default i think it logs to syslog
[23:56] <yu> Hi how do I make it so if a user creates a public_html directory in their home, they automatically get domain.tld/~user?


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[17:21] <jbicha> hggdh: thank you :)
[17:22] <hggdh> jbicha: I could actually have done it easlier, but I was not sure if I should... sorry
[17:23] <hggdh> jbicha: actually you can do it as well, you are set as an op here
[17:23] <hggdh> jbicha: op up, then /mode #ubuntu-gnome +r
[17:24] <hggdh> jbicha: or -r to re-enable unregistered users
[17:52] <jbicha> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs52/52.9.1-1 :)
[18:08] <ricotz> jbicha, I noticed :)


[10:25] <santa_> good morning everybody
[10:25] <santa_> RikMills: thanks for the info, do we have working repos or not yet?
[10:28] <RikMills> santa_: I think ppas can probably accept uploads and there is hirsute in the archive 'dists'
[10:28] <RikMills> though since no 'hirsute is open' announce yet, there is probably toolchain stuff yet to do
[10:29] <santa_> alright, I think I'm going to do one last test rebuild today
[10:29] <santa_> (for focal)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Fwd from myfenris: Guys..   Thanks for the reminder


[11:41] <DDevine> Greetings!
[11:41] <DDevine> Who is interested in the SheevaPlug?
[11:42] <persia_> DDevine, Lots of people.  Do you have one?
[11:42] <DDevine> Not yet - just waiting on my pay-check.
[11:42] <DDevine> I have started a SheevaPlug channel - #sheevaplug if you want to come chat or idle.
[11:44] <persia> I'll wait until I get one.  I'd be interested to hear if anyone gets Ubuntu Server working on it though.
[11:47] <Stskeeps> looks quite trivial to port onto
[11:47] <DDevine> Yeah, I think they have already ported Ubuntu onto it.
[11:48] <DDevine> So after that - server kernel should just be a few adjustments.
[11:49] <Stskeeps> persia: the documentation has jaunty into NAND guide
[11:50] <DDevine> Yeah, I havent actually read that yet so I didn't want to claim...
[11:51] <DDevine> Thinking of getting one?
[11:52] <persia> Oh, cool!
[11:53] <Stskeeps> a couple of those as buildds could be interesting ;p
[11:54] <DDevine> I'm looking at channeling some of the nslu2 guys into the sheevaplug scene.
[11:54] <persia> Indeed, or just as a handy server for IRC presence, etc.
[11:54] <DDevine> yeah, but that is boring.
[11:54] <DDevine> You can do MUCH more.
[11:54] <Stskeeps> i think this plug would actually be gf friendly
[11:55] <persia> DDevine, I suspect you'll see a fair amount of shared interest...
[11:55] <DDevine> Stskeeps: If you mean that it would not make them complain about the noise?
[11:55] <Stskeeps> DDevine: for instance, but my gf is also cautious about power usage
[11:56] <rabeeh> DDevine: join #openplug
[11:56] <DDevine> Mine hates servers. She doesn't appreaciate the powerful roar. (and the power usage).
[11:56] <persia> That's just the big servers.  There are little quiet ones too.
[11:59] <Stskeeps> my personal worry is that i'll have to find some awkward plug converter though
[12:05] <persia> Well, one hopes they will have similar devices for other markets.
[12:08] <armin76> Stskeeps: awkward? a plug adapter is very common :P
[12:09] <Stskeeps> well last time i had a proper american->dk plug adaptor it nearly torched a camping wagon :> but i guess i just need a good one
[12:10] <DDevine> rabeeh: Thanks for the OpenPlug referral. I'm merging with them.


[15:52] <reaby> ping
[16:03] <reaby> how do i add qsynth support for rosegarden
[16:04] <reaby> i installed it, and i can't find it on rosegarden
[16:42] <reaby> guys
[16:42] <reaby> it's been 40 minutes
[18:35] <asmok> Hello Fabio
[18:50] <asmok> hello Fabio, again


[00:50] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3, @tsimonq2: My guess is they didn't even go through the installation.
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> But... theory will only take you so far.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/f7742c17/giphy.mp4
[00:50] <Eickmeyer> jinx
 I blame the usage of this GIF on @RikMills ;P (re @tsimonq2: )
 🤣
 arraybolt3: yo did you see that point re: phased updates and how the GUI will handle those?
 I mean, we could always theorize about it...
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/72b8d1a4/oppenheimer_oppenheimer_movie.mp4
 Again?
 We must simulate the phasing ;P
 Okay come on it fit here too! 😁 (re @Eickmeyer: Again?)
 I said it here. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer> But... theory will only take you so far.)
 I didn't see you send the GIF ;)
 Hard to send gifs in IRC. I mean, I can do it, it's just not as easy.
[00:55] <Eickmeyer> https://t.me/ldevel2019/162481
 Even that's sus.
 *sends 1000 messages with an ASCII depiction of each frame and angrily awakens the All-Powerful @teward001*
 🤣
 BTW, that little maneuver of posting a telegram link got me flagged as a medium risk threat by ubot9. :P
 🙄
 /me slaps ubot9 with a wet fish
 #BlameUnit193
 ```
 16:55:35  <+ubot9>  Medium risk threat [#lubuntu-devel] - Eickmeyer - blacklist id 69bd7b2a added by Ukikie because Telegram short link, often (coin) spam; ping  !att-#lubuntu-devel-medium https://u193.gq/~asm/detectlogs/77340380-ACF7-11EE-9C14-722D85BCF813.txt
 16:56:32  <Eickmeyer>  srsly?```
[00:59] <Eickmeyer> Wrong channel, but oh well.
[01:46] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: Phasing is handled by the new updater. Notice it shows "Held back (usually temporarily)" in the UI.
[01:46] <arraybolt3> I'm not handling it directly, but it is being handled by apt.
 Oooooh, nice.
 A step ahead of my query :)
 https://twitter.com/9to5linux/status/1743762476070543657?t=oFEyqg8MW595wFPmORiPhw&s=19
 That is in the release pocket of Noble, and in both Unstable and Trixie
[02:56] <arraybolt3> woot woot!
 New syntax highlighting for diffs is a part of that
 Do we like it?
 And more specifically, does it look any better in Konsole or GNOME Terminal? Does it look any different?
[03:05] <arraybolt3> Dunno yet, I'll try to remember to check that.
[03:05] <arraybolt3> I know currently the diff syntax highlighting when using Vim + SSH + tmux is *abysmal*.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/2047982 (re @tsimonq2: New syntax highlighting for diffs is a part of that)
[16:23] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047982 in vim (Ubuntu) "Highlighting of patches offers insufficient contrast" [Medium, Confirmed]
[18:01] <tsimonq2> @Nani72Noni No rush, but just an FYI, our final date for the low hanging fruit list to be complete is Feature Freeze; that's February 29th.
[18:01] <tsimonq2> Take advantage of this opportunity ;)
[18:02] <tsimonq2> (If there's still anything there, meh no big deal, it'll take me and arraybolt3 like a day to just knock all of it out. Just wanted to give you the opportunity to learn, if that makes sense. :) )
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/2048470
[19:38] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2048470 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 23.10 calamares installer crashes during installation" [Undecided, New]
 LVM has probably 3 maybe 4 upstream bugs in Calamares.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> I believe it
[19:43] <arraybolt3> Left them a note with a possible workaround and marked it "Confirmed - High"
 > Actually, I have used Xubuntu for installation now and then installed lubuntu-desktop.
 🤔
[22:37] <kc2bez> I saw that. I am going to find a bug or 2 to link.
[22:37] <arraybolt3> hey, whatever works :(


[12:29] <Alfafa> Hi. I am fairly new at doing ustart scripts. But now I would like to convert an old daemontools service to upstart. What are the events upsart can listen to. I would like it to stop the service when my laptop is on battery power
[12:30] <Alfafa> Is this possible?
[14:15] <keesj> Alfafa: I guess so
[14:16] <keesj> the thing would be to listen to uevents or are those apm events?
[14:18] <keesj> Alfafa: again differently: upstart does not listen to many events , for every "job" / service you can define your own event names
[14:19] <Alfafa> keesj: I am on ubuntu hardy. I think gnome-power-manager sends a event over DBUS..or I know it does, but I don't know how I get upstart to pick it up?
[14:19]  * Alfafa is back.
[14:20] <keesj> from readinf the acpid man page it really should be very easy
[14:22] <keesj> really I would say a) create a job that starts the acpid on startup , b) convert the required events into upstart even "so emit power-in-the-house" in the script
[14:22] <keesj> c) define your jobs that need to listen to the power-in-the-house
[14:22] <Alfafa> keesj: from what I understand upstart doesn't yet have a way to get DBUS events? I saw some talk of a DBUS proxy...which would convert from DBUS events to upstart events?
[14:24] <Alfafa> keesj: Hmm..I could also make something which listens to DBUS and emit an upstart event
[14:25] <Alfafa> keesj: thanks for the help anyway :-)
[14:26] <keesj> and hal will put the messages on dbus?
[14:27] <keesj> on my ubuntu machine I simply have /etc/acpi/battery.d so a one liner would send the events to upstart
[14:28] <Alfafa> keesj: maok. that sounds easy :-)
[14:28] <Alfafa> keesj: I am not sure it is hal sending the dbus message. I think it is gnome-power-manager
[14:29] <keesj> the problem mi be that acpi is not for every computer , the gnome-thingy might be more suited :p
[14:32] <Alfafa> keesj: thanks for the help..i thin the acpi thing will work :-)
[14:36] <keesj> yo
[17:07] <Frymaster-UK> o/ is there a manpage or other documentation for writing jobs in event.d? I've found some examples and a getting started guide, but no reference
[17:10] <keesj> Frymaster-UK: not that i am aware off. download the example jobs or replaceÃment scripts
[17:10] <Frymaster-UK> yeah :( was hoping for sommat a bit more structured
[17:11] <keesj> if you find a real reference if would love o see it
[17:11] <keesj> i tried finding the parsing code shortly but did not find it fast enough


[21:32] <andy_k> hey guys
[21:32] <andy_k> been missing your weekly hangout videos, any word on when you'll be doing more?
[21:34] <andy_k> I know Leo and Kyle are planning to do more Friday snap and snapcraft related stuff in February