[13:37] <nisshh> hey everyone
[13:37] <nisshh> im doing some research into advertising the manual a whole lot more
[13:38] <nisshh> especially for this next version
[13:38] <nisshh> any ideas are welcome
[13:40] <nisshh> also, im not accusing anyone, but if anyone is not pushing their changes to trunk on a regular basis and just keeping local copies for ages, please dont, as it breaks the branch when you push sometimes
[21:22] <godbyk> Hey, nisshh. pleia2 suggested that we email <https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team> with our release notices and then they can put a news item in the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter.
[21:32] <pleia2> yes, that :)


[02:44] <xubuntu773> wow !
[02:44] <xubuntu773> you can acess the web while installing the OS
[02:44] <cfhowlett> xubuntu773, welcome to xubuntu :)
[02:45] <xubuntu773> thank you! :D
[02:54] <buu> Hey
[02:54] <bazhang> hi
[02:54] <buu> Is there a way to tweak the 'disable trackpad while typing' setting?
[02:55] <buu> Or any way to tweak the trackpad settings?
[06:31] <useelin> hi! how private send message - how private chat?
[13:11] <floo> hello anyone here?
[13:16] <elfy> !ask
[13:46] <floo> i have a laptop asus x51rl with integrated ati radeon xpress 1100
[13:46] <floo> i can find a driver for this.. coz it's move very slowly
[13:46] <Diavlo> humm installation seem to have got stuck at configuring APT sources
[13:47] <Diavlo> it hasn't moved for ages
[13:48] <Diavlo> it that normal, it doesn't sound normal
[13:54] <Diavlo> damn it install failed, now re-installing on unclean drive, it sould be ok, i think
[13:55] <baizon> floo: you need to use the open source drivers
[13:55] <baizon> floo: which version of xubuntu are you using?
[13:58] <Diavlo> hi all
[13:59] <Diavlo> humm whats an unlean partition?
[14:00] <bekks> Diavlo: An unclean filesystem is a filesystem with error to be fixed.
[14:00] <Diavlo> bekks: humm, installing on un unclean filesystem, i hope this works
[14:01] <bekks> It wont.
[14:01] <bekks> You will lose all data on that filesystem since it will be reformatted.
[14:02] <Diavlo> its configuring apt atm, it should install
[14:04]  * SuperEngineer recommends a quick dose of "sort it before install next time"  ;)
[14:12] <xubuntu295> where can i find an iso xubuntu's iso image in spanish?
[14:13] <bekks> xubuntu295: There arent localized iso images. Just install localization support after installing ubuntu.
[14:14] <xubuntu295> thanks
[14:15] <xubuntu295> And do you recommend it for a Pentium M (Centrino) 1'6Ghz and 512Mb of Ram?
[15:04] <Diavlo> it worked, you were wrong, unclean partition but it still works like a charm
[15:07] <Diavlo> what drivers do i need for broadcom bcm4311 wlan to work on xubuntu
[15:10] <Diavlo> anyone?
[15:11] <bekks> !wifi | Diavlo
[15:15] <Diavlo> supposed to work out of the box it says "firmware required"
[15:16] <Diavlo> how do i make it work?
[15:16] <floo> hello
[15:19] <bekks> Diavlo: Thats described in the links given.
[15:20] <Diavlo> ok, how do i install .tat.gz flies?
[15:24] <koegs> Diavlo: normally you do not "install" .tar.gz files, what exactly do you want to do?
[15:28] <Diavlo> nevermind i had to make it
[15:42] <Diavlo> somebody help me, i can't get this wireless to work
[15:43] <Diavlo> module does not load up after make
[15:45] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43%20-%20Internet%20access
[15:46] <LiquidEssence> hey everyone
[15:48] <LiquidEssence> I have a problem: I use a dual monitor setup. After rebooting the machine, in the desktop settings the window shows settings only for one monitor, even though in the Display options, there are still two monitors set. The window also looks quite different as before (there are no suggestions of wallpapers)  and it won't allow me to set a desktop background
[15:48] <LiquidEssence> it's just really confusing
[19:32] <xubuntu100> I have installed xubuntu v-13.10 beta 2 in a VMware Player (latest one) but I can't access the host hd. I get the error [vmhgfs.ko] Error 2 when I run vmware-instal -l.  Has anyone elseencoutered this problem
[19:33] <xubuntu100> I should mentin that v-13.04 works in all respects in the same VM.
[19:34] <xubuntu100> If help is available I'd appreciate a note to<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Thanks.
[19:46] <xubuntu100> quit
[19:54] <Pwnna> my rightclick is broken on my thinkpad. is it possible to emulate right click using something like a ctrl click or something else?
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> is it a touch pad?
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> My netbook seems to have right click when you tap the lower right corner of the touchpad.
[19:57] <Pwnna> it's not a touchpad
[19:57] <Pwnna> it's the track point thing
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh.
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm....
[19:57] <Pwnna> the touchpad works but i have it manually disabled
[19:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Might have to consider using it instead, if it can give you back right-click functionality.
[19:58] <Pwnna> ..
[19:58] <Pwnna> damnit
[19:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Otherwise, external mouse time
[19:58] <Pwnna> i have that, but when i'm unplugged..
[19:58] <Pwnna> how does mac people activate ctrl click?
[19:59] <Pwnna> ugh. i don't want to spend another like $40 for a new keyboard
[19:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> um, osx has a feature where you click and hold, to get right-click.
[19:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> Although, if you put a 3 button non-apple mouse, right-click works like normal
[20:00] <Pwnna> yeah..
[20:00] <Pwnna> i wish the rightclick keyboard key would rightclick where i'm point
[20:01] <Pwnna> not where is focused.
[20:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> actually, does it have a context menu key?
[20:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> next to the win key?
[20:02] <Pwnna> between Alt and Control on the right side
[20:02] <Pwnna> yea
[20:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> you can use that.
[20:03] <Pwnna> it doesn't show the context menu of where i am hovering
[20:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> when you highlight something, you can press that button to get the right click menu
[20:03] <Pwnna> only focused
[20:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> on a web page, you can highlight hyperlinks and press the button for that context menu
[20:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> the only flaw is sys tray icons and other odd stuff
[20:04] <Pwnna> exactly
[20:04] <Pwnna> and that's where i rightclick most often
[20:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> hey, doesn't your trackpoint support clicking by tapping?
[20:05] <Pwnna> actually firefox doesn't work
[20:05] <Pwnna> i guess. but i don't use it
[20:05] <Pwnna> ever
[20:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> you will now
[20:05] <Pwnna> i have two thinkpads lol. trying to keep a common interface :P
[20:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> then you can reverse the mouse buttons
[20:05] <genii> I think if you have keyboard navigation enabled, it used shift-F10 for rightclick
[20:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, forgot about kb navi.
[20:05] <Pwnna> hm that works
[20:06] <Pwnna> wait
[20:06] <Pwnna> that's the same as context menu for me
[20:06] <Pwnna> context key*
[20:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> yeah, but by reversing the buttons, you can now right click anything again
[20:06] <Pwnna> yeah.
[20:06] <Pwnna> that will be confusing as i switch between my thinkpads :x
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol... left "right-click" :)
[20:07] <Pwnna> ugh. i should crack open this keyboard and see what's wrong with it
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> the button could be worn
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> it happeneds
[20:07] <genii> Probably should just get some cheap USB mouse
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> *happens
[20:07] <Pwnna> i have a bt mouse
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> got a bt dongle?
[20:07]  * genii slides bazhang a beverage
[20:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> use that
[20:08] <Pwnna> i have bluetooth lol
[20:08] <Pwnna> also 13.10's bt support has regressed o.O
[20:08] <Pwnna> reconnecting after suspend is manual..
[20:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> ah... hmmm.
[20:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, you got some good suggestions. You'll adapt.
[20:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Heck between my netbook and desktop, I don't have a common interface.
[20:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> You just grow to use what's proper when it's demanded of you
[20:09] <Pwnna> i have a pretty consistent interface
[20:10] <Pwnna> though, the two thinkpad has slightly different keyboard layous
[20:10] <Pwnna> also i wont switch to something like dvorak
[20:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> The only thing consistant for me is the DE and the layout. Beyond that, the machine dictates that.
[20:10] <Pwnna> lol
[20:10] <Pwnna> i'm already considering setting up my laptops with an ansible playbook
[20:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> a wut?
[20:11] <Pwnna> it's like puppet or chef but easier
[20:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, still lost
[20:11] <Pwnna> it's a way to manage your configurations
[20:11] <Pwnna> it's usually used for servers, but i can use it for laptops too. lol
[20:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... That would be why.
[20:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't have a linux server setup.
[20:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or any server setup. :)
[20:13] <Pwnna> lol


[00:59] <Cem_Nome5> hello
[01:00] <Cem_Nome5> In older versions of ubuntu an mail icon used to be on the top right of the screen, allowing the user to manage conversations apks
[01:01] <Cem_Nome5> whenever someone said your name in IRC the icon would turn green, but this doesn't exist anymore
[01:01] <Cem_Nome5> how can I know when someone called me on IRC?
[01:01] <Cem_Nome5> is there anyway to restore that old function?
[01:50] <jabbathehutt1234> I am having problems with the flip switch desktop effect
[01:51] <jabbathehutt1234> Anyone know it?
[01:52]  * jabbathehutt1234 sighs
[02:49] <DarinMiller> jabbathehutt1234: sry, missed your post... flip switch is working here on 15.10 w/ backport PPA.  I had to assign a keystroke to active it - btw alt-esc did not work...
[02:51] <DarinMiller> Uhhh, nevermind.... seems to only work when the settings config window is open... looks like a bug...
[08:41] <daniel> hey guys i have on big problem
[08:41] <daniel> can you help me
[08:42] <Guest68352> i can connect to wi-fi onle when i'm close to my router
[08:42] <Guest68352> when i'm to another room i cant access
[08:48] <valorie> Guest68352: do other computers have the same problem?
[08:48] <valorie> how about your phone?
[09:06] <stivie> hey guys
[09:06] <stivie> pls help me
[09:06] <stivie> i have big problem
[09:06] <valorie> tell us
[09:07] <stivie> i have a wi-fi connection only when im close to the router
[09:07] <valorie> yes, you said so
[09:07] <valorie> and I asked:
[09:07] <valorie> Guest68352: do other computers have the same problem?
[09:07] <stivie> no
[09:07] <valorie> how about your phone?
[09:07] <stivie> evrything working well
[09:08] <valorie> so it sounds like you have a failing wifi card
[09:08] <stivie> the problem is in my kubuntu
[09:08] <stivie> no i buy my pc with win 10 and evrything working well
[09:09] <valorie> do you dual-boot?
[09:09] <stivie> no only kubuntu
[09:09] <valorie> ah
[09:09] <stivie> any ideas
[09:09] <valorie> !wifi
[09:09] <valorie> check out that wifidocs page
[09:10] <stivie> cant load it
[09:10] <stivie> internal sever error
[09:11] <pc> lol
[09:12] <pc> HI
[09:12] <pc> Эй
[09:12] <pc> Блять
[09:14] <stivie> can somebody help me
[09:14] <valorie> hmmm, that page does gave a problem
[09:19] <valorie> stivie: https://web.archive.org/web/20160112163221/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:20] <valorie> the wiki must be down
[09:21] <stivie> thanks the second link works
[09:22] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo <-- this is very technical, but can be very helpful
[09:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:54] <somu> i am using kbuntu 14 and i want to know how to setup wifihotspot
[09:55] <somu> setup help is there for ubuntu, but unfortunately no help for kbuntu
[09:55] <lordievader> As in hostapd bridged to an ethernet adapter?
[09:55] <somu> yes
[09:56] <lordievader> Does your wifi card support AP mode?
[09:56] <lordievader> somu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[09:57] <somu> thanks @lordievader I will try and let u know
[09:57] <lordievader> Sure, if you have questions you know where to find me ;)
[10:05] <somu> when i run the command 'iw list'...i got Wiphy phy0 and various information
[10:06] <lordievader> That is correct, it lists the various capabilities of each wireless nic. Among which are the supported modes of operation.
[10:11] <somu> I am telling you my problem again: I have a laptop and a android mobile. I have a wired connection on my laptop. I would like to use the internet of laptop to my phon
[10:11] <lordievader> somu: Does your wifi card support AP mode?
[10:12] <somu> but how to check that?
[10:12] <lordievader> somu: 'iw list' tells you.
[10:13] <lordievader> Else pastebin the output of that command if you cannot find it.
[10:13] <somu> ok
[10:14] <somu> Wiphy phy0         Band 1:                 Capabilities: 0x1072                         HT20/HT40                         Static SM Power Save                         RX Greenfield                         RX HT20 SGI                         RX HT40 SGI                         No RX STBC                         Max AMSDU length: 3839 bytes                         DSSS/CCK HT40                 Maximum RX AMPDU length 65535 bytes (expone
[10:14] <lordievader> !pastebin | somu
[10:14] <lordievader> Not here.
[10:14] <somu> ok
[10:16] <somu> Here is the link: https://paste.kde.org/pxb9mqdjj
[10:17] <lordievader> somu: I'm afraid your card does not support AP mode.
[10:18] <somu> Its ok lordievader...Thanks for your kind support.
[10:18] <lordievader> No problem. You might be able to thether your internet connection through usb, but I do not know how that works.
[10:22] <somu> It has already worked for Windows. Unfortunately, I have to work in Windows
[10:22] <somu> bye for now.
[11:52] <Steve_> Hi all, quick question. Can I still upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 via the command line? 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' returns "No new release found"
[11:54] <lordievader> !eolupgrade
[11:54] <lordievader> Steve_: It is probably easier to wait for the release of 16.04 or reinstall to 15.10 directly.
[11:55] <Steve_> I want to keep the settings, but I'm hoping to go all the way up to 16.04 beta
[12:26] <lordievader> Hmm, upgrading from 14.04 will only be possible when 16.04.1 is released...
[12:34] <ikonia> lordievader: seems very reasonable
[12:34] <ikonia> from memory the same happened with 14.04 and maybe even 12.04
[12:34] <ikonia> pretty such it wasn't in place for 10.04
[12:35] <lordievader> ikonia: Yes, the reasoning was based on the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04.
[13:13] <eeos> hi everybody! I am having problems in mounting the windows partitions at boot ....
[13:14] <lordievader> Do you get errors?
[13:17] <Shinki> You could have a look at /etc/fstab, and verify (1) directories are exist (2) UUID of devices are not changed
[13:41] <eeos> No entry in the fstab .... I wonder why the installation did not ppick it up, and why there is no GUI to manage the automount?
[13:41] <eeos> or the fstab ....
[14:36] <oi> is there a workaround to stop crashing plasma after drag&drop icons?
[14:37] <oi> kubuntu 15.10
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:38] <DarinMiller> Hi BluesKaj
[14:39] <DarinMiller> oi: Do you have backports ppa or the project Neon PPA enabled?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> hi DarinMiller
[14:40] <oi> DarinMiller: no, just fresh installed
[14:42] <DarinMiller> Are you familiar with ppa installations? I recommend the Neon PPA as it move 15.10 to the latest QT packages and improves 15.10 stability.
[14:42] <oi> ok
[14:42] <Maxiride> is it normal that xorg is taking up 1.3GB of ram?
[14:42] <eeos> !Neon
[14:43] <DarinMiller> Neon launchpad PPA website: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:44] <eeos> DarinMiller: how unstabe is it?
[14:45] <dan> would neon ppa be too much for a daily use desktop?
[14:45] <DarinMiller> In my experience, it fixes several issues in 15.10 including frequent plasmashell crashes.  Not quite as stabe as KDE 4, but much better than stock 15.10.
[14:46] <Maxiride> DarinMiller: I'm with backports ppa and sometimes I still get a segmentation fault crash of plasmashell btw
[14:46] <Maxiride> and every time I'm unable to rebort it also.. debug symbols package are needed but when I go to install them using the crash report windows it says that no packages can be found.
[14:46] <Maxiride> D:
[14:48] <Maxiride> if anyone knows what does it mean, showing detailed memory information of xorg with ksysguard i see that most of the ram is taken by 1337912 KB	[heap]
[14:48] <DarinMiller> Backports is not current and the Neon packages improve plasma stability.
[14:49] <clivejo> DarinMiller: its not far off curent !
[14:49] <Maxiride> it provides plasma 5.5.3
[14:49] <Maxiride> not that bheind I guess
[14:49] <clivejo> and 5.5.4 is in landing
[14:50] <DarinMiller> One issue I experience is kwallet hangs on reboot causing every dependent pack- including networkmanager and chrome-to hang for ~30s.
[14:51] <Maxiride> meanwhile i'll try rebooting to see if xorgs cleans up a bit
[14:51] <DarinMiller> killing kwattet fixes the hang and everything is back to normal.
[14:54] <DarinMiller> ^killing kwallet
[14:56] <oi> DarinMiller: hmmm, apt-get update get this: http://ppa.launchpad.net/neon/ppa/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[14:58] <oi> DarinMiller: the ppa is old, last thing they admit is raring
[14:58] <DarinMiller> oi: Did you add this repository?  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:neon/ppa
[14:59] <oi> DarinMiller: yes, I did.
[14:59] <eeos> there is no Storage Device Manager in kubuntu?
[15:01] <DarinMiller> oi: my bad!
[15:01] <DarinMiller> Follow these directions here: http://neon.kde.org.uk/download
[15:02] <oi> DarinMiller: last updates in ppa are 49 weeks ago
[15:02] <oi> ok
[15:03] <BluesKaj> seeos, system settings >removable devices
[15:04] <BluesKaj> eeos,^
[15:05] <eeos> BluesKaj: there is no such a thing in system settings
[15:06] <BluesKaj> eeos,which kubuntu?
[15:08] <eeos> BluesKaj: 15.10 64bit
[15:10] <DarinMiller> eeos: Removable devices arrived with either Backports ppa or KDE Neon (not sure which)
[15:13] <eeos> BluesKaj: sorry, had to reboot
[15:13] <BluesKaj> I'm running 16.10, but that's surprising that there's no removable ndevices as default in 15.10
[15:14] <eeos> BluesKaj: so no removable devics in system settings in 15.10 64bit
[15:14] <BluesKaj> eeos, not sure
[15:14] <lordievader> BluesKaj: 16.10? Surely you mean 16.04 ;)
[15:15] <BluesKaj> i'm always running a ppa or 2
[15:15] <BluesKaj> yeah , 16.04 ,...typos
[15:16] <DarinMiller> On my 16.04 box, I do not have the landing ppa enabled and the Removeable Devices option is missing (still Plasma 5.4.3).  My 15.10 boxes all have backports and Neon and Removable Devies shows up in the hw section.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, i have the landing ppa
[15:17] <oi> reboot
[15:18] <DarinMiller> BlueKaj: I assume 16.04 landing has Plasma 5.5.3?
[15:18] <clivejo> DarinMiller: 5.5.4
[15:18] <DarinMiller> cool
[15:18] <clivejo> and its in backports landing too
[15:19] <DarinMiller> ah yes.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller,yes
[15:20] <BluesKaj> and 5.5.4
[15:25] <eeos> BluesKaj: me neither .... a bit chuffed by this new version, I have come backk to kubuntu after around a year
[15:25] <eeos> so how do I solve this removabel device issue?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> eeos, external drive or extra hdds/ssds?
[15:27] <eeos> windows partition that does not mount at boot
[15:27] <BluesKaj> eeos, is it listed in grub?
[15:28] <eeos> yes, I can boot from it
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo blikd , find the entry for the windows partition, copy the uuid  and addit to fstab without the quotes like so : http://ubuntuhak.blogspot.ca/2013/07/how-to-mount-windows-partition-in.html
[15:32] <eeos> BluesKaj: aologies, I know how to add it manually, I am trying to find a GUI, this is for my wife
[15:34] <BluesKaj> eeeos it should show up in dolphin places>devices once you add it and reboot
[15:34] <BluesKaj> add it to fstab that is
[15:35] <BluesKaj> eeos,^
[15:36] <eeos> BluesKaj: I would like to enable her to do what she would prefer, but without a GUI it is a bit of a problem
[15:36] <BluesKaj> dolphin is the gui
[15:36] <eeos> BluesKaj: a gui that does not allow you to decide what to mount at boot
[15:37] <BluesKaj> it similar to the folder in the windows taskbar , just put dolphin in a quicklaunch in the panel
[15:37] <DarinMiller> eeos: is adding a ppa an acceptable solution?
[15:38] <eeos> Dragnslcr: yes
[15:38] <eeos> sorry Dragnslcr .... was meant for DarinMiller
[15:38] <DarinMiller> I've been called worse :)
[15:39] <eeos> DarinMiller: ;)
[15:39] <Dragnslcr> Nah, it doesn't get any worse
[15:39] <DarinMiller> I am checking if Removeable Devices in in the backports ppa or KDE Neon.
[15:40] <Dragnslcr> Dolphin will definitely show removable devices and any mounted hard drive partitions
[15:40] <eeos> DarinMiller: thank you, I can do it .... Neon does not support 15.10 though
[15:40] <Dragnslcr> I'm not certain if it will show regular hard drive partitions that aren't mounted
[15:42] <Dragnslcr> You should be able to use Partition Manager to set the mount points of partitions
[15:42] <eeos> apologies need to reboot brn .... Dragnslcr yes, but not whether it is mounted at boot or not
[15:43] <Dragnslcr> I don't have any unused partitions to test it with at the moment
[15:57] <markit> I've logged but mouse does not work, what is the keyboard shortcut for K menu?
[15:57] <markit> found, alt+f1
[15:57] <DarinMiller> eeos, just confirmed, Removeable devices arrives with the backports PPA on 15.10.  Assuming windows not corrupt it by leaving it in a dirty state, the automounter should work as expected.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, he hasn't relogged in
[15:59] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: good catch.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller, wonder if his issue has more to do with UEFI boot than removable devices
[16:01] <BluesKaj> says he can boot windows grub, so why the issue
[16:01] <BluesKaj> from grub
[16:36] <jubodreizehn> Now I have instructed this side Kubuntu to _not_ powerdown if not fondled constantly
[17:05] <why_not> Hello all.  My plasma crashed.  When I went to file the but , I got this after trying to install the debug symbols: Could not find debug symbol packages for this application.
[17:05] <why_not> Any ideas on where to start?  I found some stuff on it online, but there was no resolution given.
[17:08] <why_not> I did a search on synaptics for "plasma-workspace-dbgsym" and nothing was found
[17:17] <DarinMiller> why_not: what version of kubuntu?
[17:18] <why_not> 15.10 with kde-neon
[17:19] <why_not> plasma 5.5.90
[17:20] <why_not> ps- I'm also on #plasma getting some help
[17:20] <DarinMiller> ok
[17:26] <JunkHunk> hello is there a way to make the desktop slide show faster?
[17:26] <JunkHunk> it wont allow me to use less than 10 seconds
[17:27] <JunkHunk> I am talking about wallpapers
[18:28] <JeZxLee> Will "Kubuntu 16.04 L.T.S. 64Bit" be good? Or Plasma 5 is still not good?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> JeZxLee, that's a matter of opiinion and what circumstances you will be using 16.04, home or work?
[18:34] <why_not> I installed kde-neon and I'm geting frequent plasma crashes
[18:34] <JeZxLee> BluesKaj - well I do job work at home using Linux, but run Windows 10 Pro 64Bit at the office
[18:34] <JeZxLee> web dev stuff
[18:35] <JeZxLee> currently running Linux Mint 17.3 K.D.E. 64Bit at home
[18:36] <JeZxLee> Linux Mint is based on old 14.04 Ubuntu
[18:36] <JeZxLee> new Linux Mint 18 is scheduled for later this year after 16.04 release of Ubuntu
[18:37] <JeZxLee> guess I just wonder if Plasma 5 will be working better in 16.04
[18:37] <lordievader> To me 16.04 with Plasma 5 is stable enough, but as BluesKaj said, my requirements might be different.
[18:37] <JeZxLee> tried Plasma 5 in Kubuntu 15.10 and it was not good
[18:37] <lordievader> Plasma > 5.4 carries a lot of fixes.
[18:42] <JeZxLee> KDE is my favorite - hope I can use it well in 16.04
[18:42] <BluesKaj> JeZxLee, I'm running 16.04 with plasma 5.5.4 which requires the Landing ppa, and so far so good stabilty-wise.
[18:46] <kubuntu> hola
[18:47] <Guest63508> hola
[18:54] <JeZxLee> ok, enough of my Plasma 5 rant
[18:55] <JeZxLee> have a technicial question with Kubuntu 14.04.3 64Bit
[18:56] <JeZxLee> running Kubuntu 14.04.3 64Bit guest in VMWare WorkStation Player 12 under Microsoft Window 10 Pro 64Bit - will OpenGL hardware acceleration work in Kubuntu guest?
[18:57] <lordievader> Probably not, 3d acceleration is allways tricky under virtual machines.
[18:57] <JeZxLee> have an nViidia GeForce GT 240 1GB PCIexpress graphic card with current nVidia proprietary Windows display driver installed
[18:57] <JeZxLee> what about VirtualBox?
[18:58] <lordievader> Your best bet is probably qemu's new virgl driver. Otherwise if you have two video cards you could pass one trough to the guest.
[19:19] <DarinMiller> why_not: are you able to repeatably crash plasma crashes with certain actions?
[19:26] <why_not> not reliably
[19:27] <why_not> for a while, I would open the comic widget, and then configure.  that would be a 3-5 min wait until it crashed.  then it wasopening discover.  this time, it was while playing terraria
[19:27] <why_not> this all started after installing kde-neon
[19:32] <why_not> also, I have done nothing that I can tell corrected those issues.  they just stopped happening.  it's like the problem moves around
[19:34] <DarinMiller> I have seen similar behavior.  Although I was trying backports landing followed by kde neon. By the time I installed neon, everything had settled down so I assumed it was the neon packages.
[19:35] <DarinMiller> I assumed the neon packages had fixed the instabliity.
[19:38] <why_not> yeah.  I just tried to open the comic strip widget "configre setttings > get new comics" and that took ~2:30 mins to load.  Before, it was ~5 seconds.  I'm just expecting it.  Any chance 16.04 will fix this?  I might just bite the bullet and do a re-installation, but that would be a pain in the rear
[19:39] <DarinMiller> Does anything else take a long time to open? i.e chrome or kdewallte?
[19:40] <DarinMiller> kwallet^
[19:40] <DarinMiller> try running kwalletmanager5 from the command line....
[19:40] <DarinMiller> it should open immediately
[19:43] <why_not> 21 secs "Invalid DBus reply:  QDBusError("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply", "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.")
[19:44] <DarinMiller> if any of the above is true, kill kwallet and everything should be back to normal.  I don't think comic strip depend on kwallet though.
[19:44] <why_not> chromium took 40 secs
[19:45] <DarinMiller> Evreytime I reboot, i must kill kwallet.
[19:45] <why_not> I couldn't kill kwallet cause it stopped responding....then it just killed itself...and the keyboard was not responsive for about 20 secs
[19:48] <why_not> I just "end process" on kwallet5 and kwallet.  they went into zombie.  then chromium opened quickly, and then KDE Wallet started asking me for my password.  we're getting somewhere!
[19:49] <why_not> every time I open chromium, it opens the KDE Wallet password prompt.
[19:49] <DarinMiller> everything should work normal until reboot.  I rarely reboot so I forgot about that issue....
[19:50] <why_not> "The application 'Chromium' has requested to open the wallet 'kdewallet'.  Please enter the password for this wallet below."
[19:50] <DarinMiller> that normal
[19:50] <why_not> I've never used kdewallet, unless it's something that works with Thunderbird.  so I don't know what's going on with that.
[19:51] <why_not> can I uninstall kde wallet?
[19:53] <DarinMiller> you can disable kwallet in system settings if you don't want to use it (under Account Details)
[19:54] <DarinMiller> Uncheck the Enable the KDE wallet subsystem.  I have never tried uninstalling it.
[19:54] <why_not> got it.  no more problem with chromium.  I'm going to rebot and see what happens
[19:54] <why_not> I'm almost excited.
[19:54] <DarinMiller> cool. let me know what happens.
[19:54] <why_not> will do
[20:48] <marcellus> hello people! I'm using Kubuntu 15.10 and cannot bring to run either ps3mediaserver nor mediatomb. They used to run very good with 13.04, though. Any idea what could be the problem?
[20:48] <marcellus> (I know most of time the problem sits right in front of the screen)
[20:50] <lordievader> marcellus: What does the konsole spit out when you start it from there?
[20:53] <marcellus> well, ps3mediaserver does not even connect to the ps3. mediatomb does connect, but I cannot either remove what I already added, nor add new media files
[20:54] <marcellus> psems  shows a red circle with an X inside
[21:15] <lordievader> I don't know both programs, but they do not display any hint of an error in the Konsole?
[21:19] <marcellus> pms does not show in the console. mediatomb it shows but not possible to change the shared media
[21:21] <lordievader> That is not what I am asking. I suppose both programs have gui's(?), what happens when you try to change the shared media, does the konsole show permission errors or something?
[21:36] <marcellus> I just found anther player named 'universal media server' and it works like a charm!  thanks for your time
[21:54] <dougl> is anyone else having issues playing videos on youtube?
[21:56] <DarinMiller> chrome, ff, opera, or ?
[22:00] <DarinMiller> dougl: still there?
[22:00] <bprompt> dougl:   now and then the site has been down for me, that has happened in the last week or so only, but that's about it
[22:00] <bprompt> heheh
[22:02] <dougl> lol
[22:03] <dougl> DarinMiller, yes just alot of monitors ff chrome
[22:03] <dougl> both
[22:03] <DarinMiller> currently chrome is playing fine for me, checking ff...
[22:04] <dougl> and verified with windows machine
[22:04] <dougl> works here on windows - which kinda makes me wanna puke
[22:04] <DarinMiller> all videos, or just specific ones?
[22:05] <DarinMiller> ff is working fine here too...
[22:05] <bprompt> dougl:    for all we know.. is your router or networking, or who knows, but not the site
[22:07] <dougl> bprompt, thanks... but do you really think it is my router the windos machine is plugged into the jack between the mac and the kubuntu - lol
[22:08] <bprompt> dougl:   nope, but network configuration, host files or such, that's OS dependent
[22:11] <DarinMiller> dougl: I have seen Centurylink cause strange issues with DNS resolutions. Symptoms were very slow web page response.  I configured the network connection to use google dns a problem was solved.
[22:14] <DarinMiller> However, that problem disappeared a couple years ago and I no longer have to have to use google dns...


[00:00] <Len1510> There were no categories in there I guess I added both.
[00:01] <Len1510> zequence, in your opinion the file in our info menu should have which main category?
[00:09] <Len1510> ARandR still needs to removed.
[00:10] <Len1510> xfce's Display now covers what it was missing when we added arandr.
[00:11] <Len1510> Are there any freezes in effect that would keep us from changing our seeds to remove it? Or changing our menu?
[02:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: tested -controls. see comments in email.
[03:26] <OvenWerks> zequence: ubuntustudio-menu has been fixed, just needs an upload.
[03:37] <OvenWerks> zequence: seeds updated too. I don't know what needs to be done there (make new metas?)
[07:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think we should use our own category or categories for the custom desktop files, X-UbuntuStudio*
[07:10] <zequence> seeds can be changed whenever, and I think that affects the ISO, but not the meta until the meta has been re-uploaded
[07:11] <zequence> We have at least one more problem - no power indicator. I need to fix that.
[07:11] <zequence> OvenWerks: So, if I remove ARandR, display settings will function?
[07:12] <zequence> ..will still function, I mean. I don't need to add anything?
[07:15] <zequence> Thanks for trying out -controls.
[08:39] <cub> zequence: do you know if there is some documentation on working on the web sites? As we have a branch and then need to get things uploaded. I don't know the workflow or what our possibilities are to plan for redesign
[09:20] <zequence> cub: It's best to create a new branch if you want to do some serious changes. You can add it to the website project.
[09:20] <zequence> To test it you'll need some form of staging web site. You have one?
[09:22] <zequence> To create the new branch, do: bzr push lp:~ubuntustudio-website/ubuntustudio-website/<newname>
[09:22] <zequence> Or, maybe you need to replace ~ubuntustudio-website (team) with your lp ID.
[09:22] <cub> Yes I will set up a staging server like I did before.
[09:23] <zequence> I'm working on reducing the wiki layout right now, sort of related
[09:23] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Staging/Navigation/Header
[09:23] <zequence> What do you think?
[09:23] <cub> Nice!
[09:30] <zequence> Also fixing the -controls bugs. Nice detail with OvenWerks testing a user named "audio".
[09:30] <zequence> Time for lunch. bbl
[11:09] <zequence> This should work, no? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Staging/Navigation/Header
[11:09] <zequence> I'm going to change the dev wiki with this now.
[11:13] <cub> yes, looks very good.
[11:14] <cub> Perhaps you're doing the change right now, but otherwise the logo pictures are not showing on the actual pages
[11:15] <cub> right, now it does.
[11:19] <zequence> Ok, good.
[12:41] <zequence> help wiki refreshed as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[12:41] <zequence> Styling is not exactly the same on those two wikis, so the look is not identical
[12:57] <OvenWerks> zequence: I already removed arandr from seeds.
[13:49] <zequence> Ok
[15:05] <zequence> Now, after spending some hours on making the navigation on the wikis look ok, I've relearned all the things that don't work styling wise
[15:05] <zequence> And, I will soon forget them too..


[05:51] <mup> PR snapd#12667 closed: image,seed: refactor RefAssertsFetcher <Squash-merge> <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12667>
[06:31] <mup> PR snapd#12683 opened: tests/nested/manual/minimal-smoke: remove todo for minimum requirements <Simple 😃> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12683>
[07:21] <mup> PR snapd#12661 closed: many: enforce quiet boot when requested <Needs Samuele review> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12661>
[07:54] <lissyx> amurray, ok, I was unsure whether it was intermittent or real issues
[08:01] <mup> PR snapd#12625 closed: tests: work-around hooks running at restart <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12625>
[08:54] <mup> PR pc-gadget#88 opened: gadget.yaml: add name for Recovery Partition <Created by medicalwei> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-gadget/pull/88>
[09:12] <mup> PR snapd#12681 closed: release: 2.59.1 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12681>
[09:17] <mup> PR snapd#12684 opened: release: 2.59.1 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12684>
[10:07] <mup> PR snapd#12685 opened: tests: work-around Type=oneshot transient units not working properly <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12685>
[14:08] <mup> PR snapd#12686 opened: [1/X] Integrity data for snaps: assertion changes <Created by sespiros> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12686>
[14:13] <mup> PR snapd#12687 opened: [2/X] Integrity data for snaps: dm-verity data ingestion <Created by sespiros> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12687>
[15:00] <mup> PR pc-gadget#88 closed: gadget.yaml: add name for Recovery Partition <Created by medicalwei> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-gadget/pull/88>
[15:33] <mup> PR snapd#12688 opened: sandbox/cgroup: change scope unit pattern to snap.<pkg>.<app>-<uuid>.scope <Created by enr0n> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12688>
[16:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#4083 closed: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.19.0 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4083>
[20:05] <mup> PR snapd#12689 opened: tests: update selinux policy to allow snapd to read upowerd binary <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12689>
[22:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#4081 closed: Kernel plugin improvements 1 <Created by kubiko> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4081>


[01:12] <thumper> hi guys
[01:12] <thumper> what causes bzr to core?
[01:13] <thumper> when branching from lp:project I'm seeing a core dump on someone elses machine
[01:15] <thumper> but branching from bzr+ssh://... was ok
[01:15] <thumper> so perhaps it is just the xmlrpc launchpad lookup
[01:15] <thumper> but I'm at a bit of a loss
[01:22] <Peng> Betcha curl could do it.
[01:22] <Peng> But does anybody still use curl...?
[01:25] <thumper> how would I tell?
[01:26] <thumper> it appears to have just started in the last hour
[01:26] <thumper> and not much has changed
[01:26] <thumper> it is very weird
[01:29] <Peng> Erm. .bzr.log should say. Anyway, it's just a shot in the dark. You're probably not using curl.
[01:29] <Peng> I'm not sure if it's even enabled at all anymore...
[01:43] <fullermd> Actually, I think it's still the default if present.
[01:44] <Peng> Not for HTTPS, though, right?
[01:44] <fullermd> For any HTTP.
[01:44] <fullermd> Well, maybe vila made it do HTPPS instead   ;>
[01:44] <Peng> @_@
[02:01] <thumper> bzr.log says absolutely nothing helpful
[02:31] <thumper> fullermd: how do I tell if he has curl installed?
[02:31] <Peng> bzr.log should say what HTTP implementation is being used.
[04:23] <lifeless> thumper: coring? really? - often curl, sometimes we have bugs in our C extensions.
[04:23] <thumper> lifeless: yeah Seg fault
[04:23] <lifeless> for the former, if pycurl can be imported, it will be used (on http)
[04:23] <thumper> well... there is no core file
[04:23] <thumper> just a seg fault
[04:23] <lifeless> for the latter, remove the .so files for bzr
[04:23] <lifeless> [these are workaround]
[04:24] <lifeless> you can run under gdb or valgrind to find out the actual segfault details and file a bug
[04:24] <thumper> it was in ssh connections
[04:24] <lifeless> could be pycrypto I guess
[04:24] <lifeless> gdb is probably the best bet
[11:26] <timeless_mbp> i'd like to perform a histedit operation, either stripping tip or doing something quilty to tip
[12:04] <spiv> timeless_mbp: see 'bzr uncommit', or the bzr-rewrite plugin, or the bzr-loom plugin, or the bzr-pipelines plugin, or even the bzr-fastimport plugin (it has options for filtering the fastimport/export dumps).
[12:04]  * spiv -> zzz
[12:23] <timeless_mbp> thanks
[16:19] <seiflotfy_> hey guys
[16:20] <seiflotfy_> is there a way to find out how many commits some1 made
[16:20] <seiflotfy_> ?
[16:20] <timeless_mbp> use ohloh.net ;-)
[16:20] <timeless_mbp> (it kinda depends on what you mean)
[16:20] <seiflotfy_> i mean code commits
[16:20] <timeless_mbp> if someone commits as -u "jo@shmo" and -u "jane@doe"
[16:20] <timeless_mbp> or "j@doe"
[16:21] <timeless_mbp> do you want to count them as the same person? :)
[16:21] <vila> seiflotfy_: bzr stats (from bzr lp:bzr-stats plugin)
[16:21] <vila> the plugin use some tricks to recognize synonyms, not perfect but quite good
[16:22] <timeless_mbp> generally for open source stuff, letting ohloh do your counting is a better choice
[16:22] <seiflotfy_> nah
[16:22] <seiflotfy_> i just want for one account
[16:22] <timeless_mbp> in DVCS you also have serious issues w/ branch commits
[16:23] <timeless_mbp> for that, i'd just use bzr log --authors=...
[16:23] <timeless_mbp> but i'm a lazy hacker :)
[16:23] <seiflotfy_> i want to know for a launchpad account
[16:23] <timeless_mbp> on just one bzr repo or in the lp: world? :)
[16:25] <seiflotfy_> one repo
[16:27] <vila> well, ohloh is telling me that the next update will join two users, but it's doing so for... 4 ? 6 months ?
[16:27] <vila> from which I can of deduce that there have been no update since then ?
[16:27] <seiflotfy_> timeless_mbp, is there a way to list the different contributors to a branch
[16:27] <seiflotfy_> and when they contributed
[16:27] <vila> or that the user joining is broken
[16:28] <vila> seiflotfy_: bzr-stats is a pretty small plugin the option you're asking for doesn't exist (AFAIK) but shouldn't be hard to implement either
[16:32] <seiflotfy_> ok
[16:32] <seiflotfy_> got it
[16:32] <seiflotfy_> how cna i use it
[16:32] <seiflotfy_> i installed
[16:32] <seiflotfy_> but cant use it
[16:55] <vila> I can tell you how to use it but people will say I'm talking to myself again...
[17:05] <lifeless> :)
[19:35] <djanko> hey
[19:39] <djanko> is there any way to check out only part of a branch into a particular location?
[19:40] <djanko> eg I have app/static and app/scripts - they need to be in separate locations on my live webserver, but I want to be able to commit both of them atomically on my local dev machine
[19:47] <bob2> easiest way is to have your web server do the mapping
[20:14] <maxb> or symlinks
[20:28] <lifeless> djanko: 'views'
[20:28] <lifeless> djanko: will do that for you
[21:05] <djanko> thx!
[21:35] <spiv> Good morning.
[21:36] <jelmer> hi Spiv :-)
[21:40] <lifeless> spiv: the fetch primitives improvements... will you be fixing up loom to use it?
[21:58] <poolie> hi spiv!
[21:58] <poolie> gosh, it's early :)
[21:58] <poolie> are you feeling better?
[21:59] <spiv> lifeless: probably easy to do when they're ready, give me a prod if I forget about updating loom!
[21:59] <spiv> Yes, finally.
[22:00] <spiv> Was still a little bit off yesterday even, but appears back to normal in time for Monday morning :)
[22:15] <peitschie> mornin every1 :)
[22:48] <poolie> hi there peitschie
[23:36] <peitschie> hiya poolie


[00:00] <nixternal> that's me wearing a polo
[00:00] <Riddell> nixternal: xdg-dirs probably not installed
[00:00] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, no biggy...I don't want it, but I am sure others might :)
[00:01] <Jucato> ah we call that a polo shirt here... a breed between a polo (the one that has buttons all the way down to the bottom) and a T-shirt :)
[00:01] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ubuntuchicago.jpg
[00:01] <nixternal> and that's me wearing a GPL v3 shirt :)
[00:01] <nixternal> gooooooooo version 3
[00:02] <nixternal> haha, with eddie and freddy
[00:02] <Jucato> hahah
[00:02] <nixternal> the only Ubuntu Member twins!
[00:02] <nixternal> how scary
[01:04] <jjesse> evening
[01:05] <nosredna_ekim> evening
[01:05] <jjesse> how's it going nosredna_ekim
[01:05] <nosredna_ekim> not bad.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: we often get heavy storms :)
[01:06] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[01:06] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse
[01:06] <Hobbsee> not usually that heavy though
[01:09] <jjesse> grumble burn is locked
[01:09] <jjesse> wonder if it will mess up my cd
[01:21] <rbrunhuber> oh hi hobbsee
[01:22] <Hobbsee> heya
[01:22] <Hobbsee> it was wet, and thundering and lightning, but no hail
[01:22] <rbrunhuber> just was a bit concerned made in the news a gazillion miles away ;-)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:24] <Hobbsee> my car got written off due to hail a few months ago, though
[01:25] <rbrunhuber> is it really wrecked or just wrecked in the books?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> rather wrecked
[01:32] <Hobbsee> see hobbsee.mailbolt.com/Car
[01:32] <Hobbsee> p/w is sarah
[01:33] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee link is not working
[01:33] <Hobbsee> sorry, photos.hobbsee.mailbolt.com/Car
[01:35] <rbrunhuber> they make those dents in the golf balls so they fly faster. So your car should be a real dragster now.
[01:36] <nosredna_ekim> lol
[01:37] <rbrunhuber> And Hobbsee if you go fast enough nobody will notice the dents. So your are on the winner side.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:39] <rbrunhuber> hobbsee sorry i didn't write back last time. did one of the dumbest things ever. So i could'nt. really. Have written down everything though.
[01:40] <Hobbsee> it's fine :)
[01:41] <rbrunhuber> locked me out on 3am!
[02:12] <nixternal> can anyone tell me if you can set the boot manager option to Grub for KDM now?
[02:13] <nixternal> nevermind, I found the option, just was never set as default
[02:15] <jjesse> nixternal: wathc out i'm working on documentation tonight :)
[02:15]  * jjesse ducks
[02:15] <nixternal> go go go
[02:15] <nixternal> I am working on my 25+ a day boogs list
[02:15] <jjesse> 25+ bugs?
[02:15] <jjesse> wow
[02:16] <jjesse> i just setup the 5-a-day app for myself
[02:16] <nosredna_ekim> nixternal» whew....
[02:16] <nosredna_ekim> I'm trying to get my loco to do a 100 a day :)
[02:17] <nixternal> damn, that is impressive nosredna_ekim
[02:17] <yuriy> hmm i don't think my loco is intersted in contributing technically
[02:17] <nixternal> mine is, they just aren't technical
[02:17] <nixternal> I have to hold their hands when it comes to burning a CD :p
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> nixternal» dunno if we are going to do it... but its an idea.
[02:18] <nixternal> they always want to learn how to do technical stuff, and when I set it up to teach them, they don't show up..so I gave up on them and only hang with the geeks now
[02:18] <nixternal> our LUG is doing good though
[02:24] <jjesse> hardy kernel and vmware not compatiable?
[02:26] <yuriy> openoffice makes plasma really wacky
[02:27] <nixternal> I thought I just had hardy and vmware working together...you are talking about running hardy inside of vmware right?
[02:27] <nixternal> yuriy: how so?
[02:28] <jjesse> no running hardy and then trying trying to run vmware
[02:31] <yuriy> nixternal: it makes random pieces flicker black
[02:31] <yuriy> before it was just the clock and occasionally the taskbar, now the wallpaper and other plasmoids too
[02:33] <nixternal> anyone know which package we get our keymap configurations from?
[02:35] <ryanakca> heh, my LUG is non existant, and the loco comes out to about one person per 130199.595 square KM
[02:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: for KDE or for the terminal/console?
[02:36] <nixternal> kde
[02:36] <nixternal> kmilo right?
[02:36] <nixternal> I am trying to find the package that has a list of the keyboards and their special keys/functions
[02:36] <nixternal> I swore it was in /etc/ but I can't find it
[02:37] <ryanakca>  /usr/share/X11/xkb/keymap
[02:37] <ryanakca> the one in /etc/X11 is a link to there
[02:38] <ryanakca> as for the package, packages.ubuntu.com claims that no such file/dir exists in suite hardy, all sections, and all architectures.
[02:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: could it be xserver-xorg-input-kbd - X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver ?
[02:40] <ryanakca> guess not...
[02:41] <ryanakca> nixternal: you want xkb-data
[02:41] <ryanakca> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/xkb-data/filelist
[02:41] <jjesse> nixternal: does help now get installed w/ kde4 hardy ?  last time i tested it didn't
[02:41] <nixternal> it still doesn't
[02:42] <nixternal> KHelpCenter in KDE4 is a mess
[02:42] <nixternal> you won't see it working until 4.1 probably
[02:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: thanks!
[02:42] <jjesse> awesome so how are users going to access help in hardy kde4?
[02:43] <nixternal> well, someone is complaining that their keys on their laptop worked in Ubuntu but not Kubuntu
[02:43]  * nosredna_ekim guesses #kubuntu-kde4
[02:43] <nixternal> jjesse: help:/ still works I think
[02:43] <nosredna_ekim> nixternal» yeah.. I found that if you install kubuntu after installing ubuntu, they keys are not detected perfectly
[02:43] <nixternal> I konqi
[02:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: what keys? like, whole keyboard?
[02:43] <nixternal> ryanakca: no, certain special function keys
[02:44] <nixternal> oooh, I know someone who has this laptop model
[02:44] <nixternal> I will ask him
[02:45] <nosredna_ekim> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_hardy_kde4&num=1
[02:45]  * nosredna_ekim loves the press
[02:46] <jjesse> cause if you can't use help then its pointless to write documentation
[02:47] <ryanakca> nixternal: ah. do they have the same keyboard model set in gnome and KDE?
[02:48] <nixternal> ya, help:/ works in KDE 4 when you have you documentation under the /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/docs/kde/HTML/en directory
[02:48] <nixternal> ryanakca: I have no clue, I will wait for them to respond if they do...the bug is 2 years old with out one comment
[02:48] <ryanakca> lol
[02:48] <ScottK2> nosredna_ekim: Well I think putting the screenshots of the crash dialogue was a nice touch.
[02:48] <jjesse> so the kde4 docs i'm working on changing right now is going to be installed in that location?
[02:48] <nosredna_ekim> ^_^
[02:52] <jjesse> argh is the live-cd nhow going to ask for my language on booting
[02:53] <jjesse> migt have to edit the chpt on that
[02:56] <nixternal> hey, we don't ship a qtrc file do we?
[02:57] <nixternal> !info libqt3-mt
[02:57] <ubotu> libqt3-mt (source: qt-x11-free): Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3. In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu11.1 (gutsy), package size 3222 kB, installed size 8920 kB
[02:57] <nixternal> ahh, so we don't
[03:00] <ryanakca> hmm... I'm guessing it's safe to rm /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-10-generic since we're at initrd.img-2.6.24-8-generic ;)
[03:01]  * ryanakca thinks that upgrades should only keep the past 10 kernels, instead of keeping them untill /boot fills up
[03:01] <nixternal> I am at 2.6.22-10
[03:02] <jjesse> anyone done a kde4/gutsy -> hardy/kde4 upgrade?
[03:02] <ryanakca> running at the moment, hardy, desktop?
[03:02] <nixternal> nope
[03:20] <jjesse> kicker's been replaced w/ krunner  right?
[03:20] <yuriy> o_O
[03:20] <yuriy> no, with plasma's panel
[03:39] <effie_jayx> santiago-ve, are you doing 5-a-day?
[03:39] <santiago-ve> err...
[03:40]  * santiago-ve runs...
[03:40] <santiago-ve> nope... been a bit busy with ROMBO :/
[03:57] <jjesse> nixternal: lots of commits tonight also robotgeek is working on kde-menus-C.ent to verify things are current and al set
[03:59] <jjesse> for kde4
[03:59]  * jjesse beds
[04:00] <robotgeek> night jjesse
[05:22] <nixternal> I would rather watch grass grow for the rest of my life than wait for bughelper to attempt to complete its job
[05:27] <ScottK2> That or waiting for a launchpad page to load.  Whichever comes first
[05:30] <nixternal> LP is a billion times faster than bughelper
[06:01] <ScottK2> nixternal: What do you actually use bughelper for?
[06:01] <nixternal> searching for duplicates
[06:01] <nixternal> and thus far, it hasn't worked a bit for me
[06:02] <ScottK2> When filing bugs against launchpad itself, I never bother to look for duplicates.  I figure if they get to many dupes they've earned it.
[06:03] <nixternal> hehe
[06:07] <Hobbsee> so, it apperas that my reputation preceedes me.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> it's kinda scary!
[06:08]  * Jucato is not surprised :)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> people remember my name, from when they saw the console input in a unit last year.
[06:15] <ScottK2> Remember you where?
[06:15] <serega> Good morning, friends!
[06:15] <Hobbsee> scottk uni
[06:15] <nixternal> anyone heard of the icon not showing up for basket after installing it?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> man, solaris is weird!
[06:26] <Hobbsee> lala
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hm
[06:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: whoa, you using Gnome right now?
[06:26] <nixternal> I can quit asking around if you are :)
[06:32] <ScottK2> nixternal: Did you see my message on kdepim4 to kubuntu-devel?
[06:33] <nixternal> not yet...my email isn't even open
[06:33] <nixternal> I was wondering why I didn't see anything :)
[06:33] <ScottK2> That'll do it.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh, yeah.
[06:35] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if possible, can you try to recreate bug #190462
[06:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190462 in basket "[hardy] Basket Can't setup DCOP communication" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190462
[06:36] <nixternal> hrmm, that says in hardy, so if you aren't in Hardy it may not be worth the hassle
[06:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i will be in hardy when i get home.  i'm 'at uni atm
[06:36] <nixternal> roger that
[06:37] <nixternal> I would install VBox, but there aren't any new modules just yet
[07:32] <Tm_T> nixternal: special box :-P its ok, I don't mind if I don't get free stuff (nothing new actually)
[07:37] <nixternal> did you get any type of confirmation email at all?
[07:38] <nixternal> it could be one of those "takes 6 to 8 weeks" type of deals as well
[07:53] <nixternal> seele: you are the only one I can pick out in the KFemmes pic, and what is Riddell doing in a picture of the MD LoCo :)  That will be my new team soon!! woohoo
[07:56]  * nixternal beds
[07:56] <nixternal> g'nite
[11:15] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[11:54] <kwwii> _StefanS_: pong, but I am going to smoke a cig, bbiab
[11:57] <\sh> kwwii: smoking kills
[12:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: just msg me when you get back
[12:34] <seele> nixternal: did i mess up the tags?
[13:00] <_StefanS_> kwwii: so, how many cigarettes do you need ? :)
[13:01] <\sh> _StefanS_: I think he just got caught by something more nicer then an irc client
[13:01] <_StefanS_> \sh: probably :)
[13:02] <_StefanS_> \sh: like normal life for instance.
[13:19] <Riddell> stdin: ping
[13:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping pong ping ?
[13:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you reproduce bug #196450
[13:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196450 in dragonplayer "dragon player can't play .mp4 files" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196450
[13:24] <Nightrose> will try
[13:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: worksforme - but I have 2.0 here and not 2.0.1 as said in the bigreport
[13:27] <Nightrose> but everything is updated here so I don´t know where he got that package from
[13:27] <apachelogger> 2.0.1 only includes a bugfix for the mute button
[13:27] <Nightrose> k
[13:27] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hardy alpha I guess
[13:27] <Nightrose> well ok then worksforme
[13:27] <Nightrose> in gutsy
[13:27] <apachelogger> same here, in gutsy
[13:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: might that bug be an issue with the CD?
[13:28] <apachelogger> --Service 'dragonplayer_part.desktop' is malformatted.-- sounds pretty strange to me
[13:34] <kwwii> _StefanS_: sorry, meeting and then lunch....back now
[13:35] <kwwii> _StefanS_: i will have some free time tomorrow evening and on the weekend so I can help with any bits that still need working on
[13:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ok good, because I'm not sure how we should push these changes
[13:43] <kwwii> _StefanS_: which changes are those?
[13:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: the wallpaper, windeco buttons and qtcurve style
[13:43] <kwwii> _StefanS_: well, we just need to put them in kubuntu-default-settings
[13:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh ok, good then
[13:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: lets do that tomorrow
[13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: works for me fine in konqueror-kde4
[13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: possibly he's using desktop-file-validate to validate, which has a very strict and gnome-centric view of what's valid
[13:44] <kwwii> _StefanS_: ok, I should be back at home sometime in the late evening
[13:44] <kwwii> around 20-21
[13:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii: sounds good, I will be online there tomorrow night
[13:45] <kwwii> cool
[13:45] <_StefanS_> I'm off
[13:45] <_StefanS_> see you all
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: on the other hand mp4 is missing from /usr/share/applications/kde4/dragonplayer.desktop for no good reason
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it happens when trying to play the file
[13:47] <apachelogger> which is already strange by the fact that it's not in the mime list
[13:47] <apachelogger> also I myself did all the desktop files for dragonplayer, so they are perfect ;-)
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: get him to paste the file maybe, I can't recreate any problem
[13:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> will dapper be easily upgradeable to hardy? I know we aren't doing LTS... but are we doing easy upgrade from dapper?
[13:54] <Riddell> no
[13:55] <nosrednaekim> ah..ok.
[14:00] <jjesse> we aren't doing an upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[14:00] <nosrednaekim> if the problem is not enough testers, I'll test it....
[14:01] <Riddell> no, it's actually one of the main time syncs for LTS
[14:01] <sebas> sinks :-)
[14:01] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: please do :)
[14:01] <Riddell> sebas: too much archive admin :)
[14:01] <jjesse> Riddell: means it takes too much time to get in plac?
[14:01] <sebas> Riddell: no hard feelings here ;-)
[14:01] <jjesse> will ubuntu support dapper -> hardy
[14:02] <Riddell> jjesse: testing upgrades takes a long time, you have to install dapper, do the upgrade, see what breaks.  takes half a day each iteration
[14:02] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[14:02] <jjesse> i bet it does
[14:02] <jjesse> just curious
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» would it be fine to start testing now?or should I wait for some later alphas.
[14:04] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I think now is fine since ubuntu desktop are doing so
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> ok.... I'll go grab a dapper CD.
[14:06] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: well
[14:06] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: main problem is we don't have an upgrade tool for KDE
[14:06] <Riddell> not in dapper
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> hum.... how about dist-upgrade? is that good enough?
[14:07] <Riddell> it's not the same
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> so adept has to be backported?
[14:08] <Riddell> to do it properly, patches to adept, patches to kde, patches to pykde, and test the upgrader tool kde frontend
[14:08] <Riddell> alternativly you could just use the gtk tool
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> oh.....
[14:09] <Riddell> as I say, time sink
[14:09] <nosrednaekim> I think the gtk tool sounds like a good idea ^_^
[14:10] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: ask heno or someone where the current testing instructions are
[14:10] <nosrednaekim> ok
[14:18] <mok0> Riddell: ping
[14:18] <Riddell> hi mok0
[14:18] <mok0> Riddell: Hi! I've made a page summarizing the missing icons i kde.
[14:19] <mok0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDEMissingIcons
[14:20] <mok0> Riddell: I thought it would be good to have an effort to populate all the menu entries for hardy
[14:20] <mok0> Riddell: But I won't announce it unless you guy support it
[14:20] <mok0> guys
[14:26] <Riddell> mok0: kde 3 or 4?
[14:26] <mok0> kde3
[14:27] <Riddell> mok0: settings/ shouldn't exist for most of those, they should only be in systemsettings app
[14:27] <Riddell> mok0: or do they come from Gnome?
[14:27] <mok0> Riddell: OK, I just wrote what's on the menu on my machine
[14:29] <mok0> Riddell: from Gnome?
[14:29] <Riddell> mok0: the k-menu items there look to be problems in gnome apps
[14:30] <Riddell> that is worth fixing, it just means lots of patches to gnome packages
[14:30] <mok0> Riddell: yikes
[14:30] <Riddell> mok0: the menu items in the bottom three tables I don't think need fixing, not all menu items have icons and that's no bad thing
[14:31] <mok0> Riddell: Yeah, perhaps, I just wrote down everything with no icons. There ARE some icons in those menus
[14:32] <mok0> Riddell: please feel free to edit the document if you have the time
[14:33] <Riddell> not every menu item needs an icon, they get one if there's an already existing icon for the action but there's no big problem if some or most menu items don't have icons
[14:33] <mok0> Riddell: I agree
[14:33] <mok0> Riddell: I just didn't know if it's intentional or not
[14:35] <mok0> (I know some people would like to get rid of icons in menus altogether)
[14:38] <Riddell> mostly artists :)
[14:38] <mok0> Ah, these aesthetic types...
[14:39]  * mok0 likes lots of icons everywhere :)
[14:39] <dragon76> hey everyone
[14:40] <Riddell> hi dragon76
[14:40] <dragon76> does anyone know what happened to guidance powermanager?
[14:40] <Riddell> it's still there
[14:41] <mok0> Riddell: In the K menu, I only have Octave in the science and math menu. All the other science and math programs are in "Edutainment" (horrible title)
[14:41] <\sh> Octave has an Icon?
[14:41] <mok0> Yes
[14:41] <Riddell> mok0: so sure, go ahead, but it's mostly patches to gnome packages to put the icons in the standard place (or symlink)
[14:41] <dragon76> it no longer updates the battery state unless ac power state is changed or guidance powermanager is stopped and restarted...
[14:42] <dragon76> I'm running hardy of course
[14:42] <Riddell> mok0: it's probably the only app to not have Education; in Categories=
[14:42] <\sh> mok0: what does it start? a terminal with the octave interpreter?
[14:42] <mok0> Riddell: I think multilevel menus should be deprecated
[14:42] <Riddell> mok0: I agree
[14:42] <dragon76> amen on the menus riddell
[14:43] <mok0> ... which means edutainment should be abandoned ?
[14:43] <mok0> Or is that not up to us
[14:44] <dragon76> guidance-powermanager was fine until updates about a week ago.
[14:44] <Riddell> dragon76: it hasn't changed since then, likely an issue in linux or hal
[14:44] <dragon76> the values are still being updated to /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[14:45] <Riddell>  /proc is obsolete
[14:45] <Riddell> mok0: or just add Education; to Octave
[14:46] <dragon76> the kernel update last night didn't help... I didn't remember hal being updated when it broke
[14:46] <Riddell> mok0: or edit the menu file to put all Science in Education
[14:46] <dragon76> I assume hal is being used in place of /proc?
[14:46] <dragon76> sorry just trying to learn so I can better help out
[14:47] <Riddell> dragon76: /sys in place of /proc, hal is just a nice dbus way to make sense of /sys
[14:47] <dragon76> ok
[14:47] <Riddell> dragon76: try gnome-power-manager and see if it's equally broke
[14:47] <Riddell> dragon76: if it is, report a bug on linux
[14:47] <mok0> Riddell: I will take a look
[14:47] <dragon76> I'll do that right now
[14:53] <dragon76> Riddell: gnome-power-manager is also broken. I also tried kima to see if it is updating the bat state and it isn't. I will go change my bug report on launchpad since I listed the wrong package... Thanks
[14:55] <dragon76> I guess I didn't post the bug yet... think I've been getting sleep deprived
[15:06] <dragon76> does anyone know how quickly kde4 is coming along?
[15:06] <dragon76> I found it missing too many things for my use at this point.
[15:07] <dragon76> I'm not too impressed with everything being a widget either... I don't want vista
[15:10] <Lure> dragon76: this is kernel/hal issue and I think it is already reported
[15:10] <Lure> dragon76: new /sys interface is not reliable on lots of laptops :-(
[15:11] <dragon76> Lure: thanks
[15:13] <dragon76> it's unfortunate it got broke as all of the other things that were broke in gutsy kernels regarding kernel/hal issues have been fixed on the laptops I am testing with... I'm sure they'll get it fixed soon enough
[15:21] <apachelogger> uhhh
[15:22] <apachelogger> suse is having a special splash when sending the machine to hibernation
[15:22] <apachelogger> we should have such a thing as well
[15:22] <apachelogger> looks good IMHO
[15:25] <daSKreech> apachelogger: Why?
[15:29] <apachelogger> daSKreech: because black screens suck
[15:29] <apachelogger> how do I know it not just died?
[15:29] <apachelogger> how do I know it is switched off yet
[15:30] <daSKreech> So while it's in hibernation it shows the screen?
[15:31] <apachelogger> daSKreech: nah, while it is hibernating
[15:31] <apachelogger> hibernation = todisk
[15:31]  * daSKreech nods
[15:51] <apachelogger> ha!
[15:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.webbalert.com/ please right click on 'Download' and select preview in dragonplayer
[15:52] <apachelogger> that shouldn't work
[15:52] <apachelogger> however, it doesn't cause the report either for me
[15:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you reproduce?
[15:52] <Nightrose> trying
[15:53] <Nightrose> oO
[15:53] <Nightrose> seems like it killed konqui
[15:53] <Nightrose> just opening it
[15:54] <apachelogger> lovely
[15:54]  * apachelogger reboots
[15:58]  * Mez pokes anyone with main access
[15:58] <Mez> Anyone wanna patch katapult ;)
[15:59] <Riddell> if you give us the debdiff
[16:00] <Mez> Riddell, yeah - I'm just creating the patches first ;)
[16:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please try with kaffeine?
[16:05] <Nightrose> what?
[16:05] <Nightrose> the video?
[16:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: previewing
[16:05] <Nightrose> I can´t even open the page honey
[16:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:05] <apachelogger> oh
[16:06] <apachelogger> ah
[16:06] <apachelogger> flash :P
[16:06] <Nightrose> right
[16:06] <apachelogger> this needs a fix
[16:06] <Nightrose> indeed
[16:06]  * apachelogger grabs dragonplayer's svn
[16:13] <mi__> ah no more update in amarok2....tablib is now 1.5
[16:17] <Mez> Riddell, how would you like the debdiff sent to you
[16:17] <Riddell> http
[16:19] <Mez> Riddell, http://katapult.kde.org/files/katapult.debdiff
[16:30] <Riddell> Mez: what's BCBreakse?
[16:30] <Mez> BC Breaks = Backwards compatibility breaks
[16:30] <Mez> if there was an e at the end, that wasnt meant to be there
[16:47] <jussi01> Hmmm, does anyone know about the +1 update to language-pack-kde-en-base that came today? is it the fix for !langpack ??? (or is my mirror behind)
[16:49] <Riddell> probably a fix for the en_CA issue
[16:50] <jussi01> Riddell: yeah, thats what I was referring to :)
[16:50] <Riddell> Mez: uploaded
[16:50] <Mez> Riddell, sweet
[16:50] <Mez> I do acutally have a debian version coming
[16:50] <Mez> but It's a pain in the ass... cause of the new lintian
[17:04] <stdin> Riddell: pong
[17:06] <Riddell> stdin: odbc fails to build in qt4 on amd64
[17:06]  * stdin has a look
[17:06] <Riddell> stdin: I'll have to disable its build until that gets fixed
[17:16] <stdin> I wonder why that same code compiles on 32bit but not 64bit
[17:17] <Nightrose> Riddell: status update on ksniffer: I have an updated package - installs fine - thing is it b0rks your system pretty badly - apachelogger and I think it is not at all FFe worthy right now - I will work on it but it will take me some time to figure it out
[17:17] <Nightrose> I am building it from source right now to see if the problem is in packaging or upstream
[17:19] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | Nightrose (what aplg means)
[17:19] <ubotu> Nightrose (what aplg means): In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[17:19] <Nightrose> hmmm
[17:19] <Nightrose> apachelogger: did kdesu or kdesudo work for you?
[17:20] <jpatrick> technically they should be the same thing, kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo
[17:20] <Nightrose> oh I think it did but it was unable to sniff
[17:21] <Nightrose> meh
[17:21] <Nightrose> b0rkage
[17:24] <Riddell> stdin: because it involves things of a specific length of bits
[17:24] <Riddell> Nightrose: thanks, good luck
[17:25] <stdin> Riddell: yeah, I'm just reading through all of it now. doen't look like something easy to fix
[17:53] <Riddell> stdin, nixternal: kde 4.0.2 extragear tars are up if either of you want to start packaging it
[17:53] <Riddell> also kde 4.0.2 proper if you fancy (I'm about to leave now for a long weekend)
[18:24] <nixternal> Riddell: w00t, grabbing them now from ktown
[18:25] <nixternal> do we need to file FFe for the packages as well?
[18:29] <Riddell> nixternal: shouldn't have to, they're bug fix only
[18:40] <jpatrick> nixternal: I believe Scott got a global exception for us anyway
[18:56] <nixternal> Riddell: they are new upstream releases too, ScottK you are the MOTU-Release dude, what is your policy on this? :)
[18:56] <nixternal> jpatrick: rock on, just noticed that :)
[19:04] <jjesse> hrmm anyone else having problems accessing brainstorm.ubuntu.com?
[19:05] <nixternal> I can access it
[19:05] <nixternal> hell, how come I never knew of this?
[19:06] <jussi01> nixternal: because you are a mushroom :P
[19:06] <nixternal> hey, I am growing up in the world then :)
[19:06] <nixternal> I have never been called a mushroom before, I kind of like that one
[19:06] <jjesse> i just get page can't be displayed
[19:06] <nixternal> I can see it fine jjesse
[19:07] <jjesse> hrm i bet its cause i am running vista
[19:07] <jjesse> an evil plan to make me reboot back to ubuntu
[19:07] <Nightrose> nixternal: because it is new?
[19:07] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:07] <jjesse> who exactly is the Ubuntu QA team made up of?
[19:07] <jjesse> they are the ones that put it together
[19:08] <fdoving> Riddell: have you compiled anything with qt 4.4? i'm getting very annoyed by http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158523
[19:08] <ubotu> KDE bug 158523 in general "Drawing artifact, last line doesn't update" [Normal,New]
[19:08] <jussi01> nixternal: mushroom = live in the dark, fed $h*t :P
[19:11] <nixternal> ooh, I did not know that
[19:11] <nixternal> see, you learn something new every day
[19:11] <nixternal> and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, boy are they wrong
[19:12] <jussi01> heheh
[19:16] <fdoving> mythbusters on discovery channel busted that myth, they made two old dogs do a bunch of new tricks in under a week :)
[19:29] <Czessi> \sh: for our linuxtag booth: http://www.czessi.de/de/files/weblog/poster/cimg0316.jpg
[19:32] <\sh> Czessi: strike :)
[19:33] <nixternal> man polyester has a weird bug in it, and it is only the polyester style that has it
[20:03] <Lure> does anybody get suspend/hibernate options in Kickoff's Leave tab?
[20:04] <Nightrose> nope - I only get them in the logout dialog then
[20:04] <Nightrose> but they don´t work here
[20:05] <Lure> Nightrose: same here
[20:05] <Lure> code is there, just does not seem to work...
[20:05] <Nightrose> hmm
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> Lure» I get them, but they don't work
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> actually, even guidance-power-manager doesn't work in kde4
[20:07] <Lure> nosrednaekim: also in Kickoff (Leave tab) or just in logout dialog?
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> (suspend)... the oter stuff works
[20:07] <Nightrose> you get them in kickoff?
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> Lure» ah... hum, the log-out dialog.... I  don't use kickoff
[20:12]  * Nightrose is currently browsing launchpad looking for a nice little bug to fix while she waits for the ksniffer guy to answer her mail - if anyone got something lying around please tell
[20:14]  * jussi01 cries at sysinfo still being broken
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» desktop-effects-kde is in main
[20:19] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» and I guess it needs to be a dependency of kubuntu-desktop....
[20:20] <\sh> Nightrose: bug #999999999 : i need pizza,-)
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> \sh» /me marks it as invalid and incomplete
[20:21] <Nightrose> \sh: *lol* coming straight your way
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> \sh» can we have someon confirm that?
[20:22] <\sh> nosrednaekim: yes, my stomach can confirm :)
[20:22]  * jussi01 throws a pizza - frisbee style - at \sh
[20:23] <\sh> *catched* thx
[20:24] <\sh> with what damn userid I can login into brainstorm?
[20:24] <\sh> LP or a new drupal one?
[20:24] <\sh> argl...
[20:25] <\sh> no way of voting ...
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> I think thats an excellent source for SoC projects
[20:28] <\sh> nosrednaekim: SoC is just for collecting blood samples for Googles Blood Bank ;)
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> haha
[20:29] <\sh> there are more people out there, who are not students and they would like to code on something crazy so we need to advertise more bounties...that's the trick (also for SoC, money makes the world go round)
[20:36] <fdoving> fabo: hi. do you have a qt4.4 debian package somewhere? (debian/ dir that is).
[20:37] <fdoving> can't find no at svn.debian.org
[21:20] <fabo> fdoving: I worked on tp1, you can find the outdated stuff in branches/qt4-x11
[21:20] <fabo> wip for beta1, I planned to commit my local work tomorrow
[21:32] <fdoving> fabo: ok, then i'll wait for your beta1 commit. thanks. :)
[21:33] <fabo> fdoving: for infos, there will be some deep changes, as packages will be splitted to match Qt modules
[21:33] <fdoving> fabo: that sounds sane.
[21:34] <_StefanS_> ScottK: hey, any luck with the patch
[21:37]  * yuriy hugs jjesse
[21:37] <yuriy> jjesse: could you edit the wiki page to highlight in green bugs you've hugged?
[22:04] <hunger> Any idea why kde4 won't start anymore?
[22:10] <jussi01> hunger: hmmm, what did you do in your last session?
[22:10] <jussi01> hunger: what locale do you have?
[22:11] <hunger> jussi01: I recreated the account, still won't start.
[22:12] <jussi01> hunger: no, I was thinking of the locale bug, but that only affects en_ca afaik and Im not sure if it affects kde4
[22:12] <jussi01> !langpack
[22:12] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo. If you removed the packages with the interim fix you can reinstall them with: << sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base >>
[22:13] <hunger> jussi01: No, I'm using en_US.
[22:14] <hunger> Hmmm... tomorrow. I need to sleep.
[22:14] <jussi01> hunger: ok. try updating anyway, Im not sure if affected that one, but worth a go. does kde 3.5 log in?
[22:14] <jussi01> ahh ok
[22:15] <hunger> jussi01: I am up to date with everything, so that is not the problem.
[22:15] <jussi01> aye
[22:29] <Lure> hunger: check for /etc/kde4rc file and remove it
[22:30]  * jussi01 goes to install kde4 on hardy
[22:41] <mhb> good evening mates
[22:41] <Jucato> evening mhb
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> evening mhb
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> mhb» you doing the SoC?
[22:42] <Jucato> mhb: weren't you the one thinking of making kcron into a kcm?
[22:53]  * ryanakca wonders why people think he would know how to setup diskless fat clients for a school in Berekum, Ghana. *points the guy to edubuntu-users or ubuntu-users*
[22:55] <Jucato> mhb: just in case you were, http://lists.kde.org/?t=120420484400005&r=1&w=2
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca» cause you love helping people out!
[22:56]  * nosrednaekim hugs ryanakca
[22:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: no
[23:00] <mhb> Jucato: yes, that was me
[23:00] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: lol, fat client = standard desktop instead of thin client?
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca» yeah... I think its just a diskless computer
[23:01] <ryanakca> hmm... then wouldn't that be a thin client?
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> running a monitor off a server is called a "sumo client"
[23:02] <Jucato> "fattened thin client" or "slim fat client" or just a locked down desktop :)
[23:03] <mhb> so what are you up to?
[23:03] <mhb> making Kubuntu less fat?
[23:03] <mhb> :o)
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> no...making it more phat :)
[23:03] <Jucato> as if it were possible hahah :P
[23:03] <Jucato> yeah! phat it is!
[23:03] <mhb> well
[23:03] <mhb> I'm not even running kdm these days
[23:03] <Jucato> kubuntu's thin as it is... 1 CD installer :)
[23:04] <mhb> not sure who's fault it is, but when I ran into VirtualBox, the system becomes unusable, trashing all the time
[23:04] <mhb> but when I ran VirtualBox
[23:04] <mhb> became unusable
[23:04] <mhb> also my english is vewwy bad
[23:05] <mhb> but with oroborus and without KDM both VirtualBox and the host system are usable
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> mhb» really? it always sounded/looked fine to me.
[23:05] <mhb> it is fine
[23:05] <mhb> the whole KDE session just ate too much memory, I guess
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I use qlwm when i'm doing something cpu/ram intensive
[23:07] <mhb> and I need the VirtualBox for school stuff, so I'm not using KDE at all (except for Kopete)
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> :(
[23:11] <mhb> I prefer my diet solution :o)
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> bye guys... make kubuntu ever phatter :)
[23:15]  * ryanakca waves to the flying spagetti monster :)
[23:15] <mhb> I'm also off for the night, byee
[23:18] <jussi01> hrm, this is weird
[23:19] <jussi01> I dont quite know how to describe it
[23:19] <jussi01> its like the wall paper isnt big enough...
[23:22] <jussi01> http://imagebin.ca/view/CnTrcLp1.html for anybody interested
[23:27] <jussi01> Im off to bed, night all
[23:55] <nixternal> oi. let me just say that the Polyester developer (Marco) rocks!
[23:56] <nixternal> I emailed him a bug we have with Polyester, and is already providing me a fix...Upstream rocks!
[23:57] <Jucato> nixternal rocks even harder!