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[21:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue784 up for review and final edits: Note: comments on Gdoc - Do we want to seperate and make up summaries for the flavor blogs from the release announcements ?
[21:12] <Bashing-om> UWN: this issue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue784 :D
[21:15] <krytarik> I think doing separate summaries on all the flavors may be a bit much effort and would also explode the release coverage..
[21:20] <krytarik> And didn't spot anything odd in this week's issue.
[21:24] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Great - move on to other things :D


[01:48] <GridCube> So
[01:49] <GridCube> I'm trying to install xubuntu on my new netbook
[01:49] <GridCube> but it doesnt recongnizes, either my wired or the wireless card :(
[01:49] <holstein> thats not cool
[01:49] <GridCube> no its not
[01:49] <holstein> some HP mininote with broadcom?
[01:50] <GridCube> and the installer just doesnt want to move on whitout a network card
[01:50] <GridCube> no its an intel classmate
[01:50] <holstein> oh... interesting
[01:50] <holstein> i would just grab the alternate iso then
[01:50] <holstein> not sure what thats about
[01:50] <GridCube> im using the alternate is
[01:50] <holstein> from the install, you should be able to sort it out
[01:50] <GridCube> o
[01:50] <holstein> hmmm
[01:51] <holstein> GridCube: im new here... all i can suggest is work-arounds
[01:51] <GridCube> it says just that "the installer cant go on because no network card is installled"
[01:51] <GridCube> :)
[01:51] <holstein> installing minimal from some other alternate iso
[01:51] <GridCube> workarounds work
[01:51] <holstein> and installing xubuntu-desktop when you get *some* network going
[01:51] <GridCube> mmm
[01:52] <holstein> GridCube: did you try the live one though?
[01:52] <holstein> the gui installer?
[01:52] <GridCube> nope
[01:52] <holstein> that cant hurt
[01:53] <GridCube> :P well i need the iso
[01:53] <GridCube> that would take a huge lot of time
[01:53]  * holstein wonders if theres a bug somewhere filed for that issue
[01:53] <holstein> GridCube: how about from that iso? the options... 'minimal install, or CLI only
[01:53] <holstein> are those still there?
[01:54] <GridCube> theres just cli
[01:54] <holstein> try that
[01:54] <holstein> same installer though...
[02:04] <GridCube> what on earth
[02:04] <holstein> no good?
[02:06] <GridCube> realtek says its integrated on the kernel
[02:07] <GridCube> support for RTL8191SE
[02:07] <holstein> yeah, im surprised you dont have it
[02:07] <holstein> and the installer should go past it anyways
[02:07] <GridCube> yes
[02:07] <GridCube> it should
[02:07] <GridCube> i think i need a new image
[02:29] <marion> is there a way to update the kernel?
[02:31] <holstein> marion: i do it in the terminal
[02:31] <holstein> ive been just installing aptitude and doing it :)
[02:31] <Unit193> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade for terminal
[02:31] <holstein> but the upgrad manager should do it
[02:32] <marion> holstein im running into a problem trying to upgrade im getting a kernel panic
[02:32] <holstein> well... maybe the package you downloaded is bad?
[02:32] <holstein> i would reinstall the latest kernel
[02:33] <marion> i've downloaded three all from xubuntu.org
[02:33] <marion> how to i reinstall the latest kernel
[02:33] <holstein> i would just do that in whatever package manager you are comfortable with
[02:34] <holstein> i like synaptic for that ...GUI management
[02:35] <marion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/728747/
[02:35] <marion> thats what happens when i do what unit193 said
[02:35] <holstein> so you are up to date
[02:35] <holstein> marion: run this first
[02:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[02:36] <marion> ok thats done now what
[02:36] <holstein> marion: run the other command again
[02:37] <marion> same results
[02:37] <holstein> so you are up to date
[02:37] <marion> then why is it not letting me update
[02:37] <holstein> there are no kernel updates available for you
[02:38] <Unit193> Now run uname -a
[02:38] <holstein> marion: there are no updates to be had
[02:38] <marion> i wanna do 11.10
[02:38] <holstein> marion: ?
[02:38] <marion> right now i am on 11.04
[02:38] <holstein> OK
[02:38] <marion> Linux marion-desktop 2.6.32-35-generic #78-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 11 15:27:15 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:39] <holstein> http://zeeis.me/upgrade-to-ubuntu-11-04/
[02:39] <holstein> i personally would just reinstall
[02:39] <holstein> backup and reinstall fresh
[02:40] <holstein> takes so little time to install these days
[02:41] <marion> this is taking me down to maverik merecat. i would do that holstein but when i try to go to the installer it wont let me
[02:42] <holstein> http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-11.04-natty-narwhal-to-11.10-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-and-server
[02:42] <holstein> marion: use the update tool
[02:43] <marion> is there a way to see what distro i am on?
[02:45] <holstein> marion: cat /etc/issue
[02:45] <Unit193> marion: lsb_release -r will tell you
[02:45] <holstein> in the terminal
[02:45] <holstein> or that ^
[02:45] <marion> apparently i am on 10.04
[02:46] <marion> i could have sworn i downloaded 11.04
[02:46] <Unit193> You'd have to go 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10
[02:47] <holstein> i would stay there til 12.04
[02:47] <Unit193> ^^
[02:47] <holstein> that'll go 10.04 to 12.04
[02:47] <holstein> but, i typically just test the upgrades to see if it works
[02:47] <holstein> and reinstall ;)
[02:47] <marion> 12.04 will be the next long term release
[02:48] <marion> ???
[02:48] <holstein> yup
[02:49] <marion> well i am doing the maverick update now
[02:49] <holstein> as long as you know that i suggest you dont, go for it :)
[05:12] <DoverOs> are all ports closed by default?
[05:13] <well_laid_lawn> nope it's the opposite iirc
[05:13] <DoverOs> oh ok, that's how i lik eit
[05:14] <well_laid_lawn> that's a large accent you have there
[05:14] <DoverOs> open source should apply to your ports too ;D
[05:14] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[05:14] <DoverOs> :p
[05:15] <well_laid_lawn> I've never had to open a port to use a service
[05:20] <DoverOs> "scans network" wow that guy has all his ports open, better not mess with him
[05:26] <DoverOs> i'll do that if i get my hands on a netbook
[06:06] <uofm49426> anyone know a way to share a hard drive partion well in xubuntu over dns
[06:07] <uofm49426> the drive is ntfs
[06:07] <well_laid_lawn> dns = domain name server - that translates e.g. google.com to an ip
[06:08] <well_laid_lawn> sharing over a local area network should be easy enough
[06:08] <well_laid_lawn> !samba
[06:11] <uofm49426> is everything i need already in xubuntu by default
[06:12] <uofm49426> it just a 53 gb partion i use to hole movie on want to share on my xbox 360
[06:12] <well_laid_lawn> if the share is on another comp look at gigolo
[06:13] <well_laid_lawn> !info gigolo
[06:14] <uofm49426> dont want to any main drives with anything important
[06:15] <well_laid_lawn> you should already have the samba client to connect to other comps share folders
[06:32] <uofm49426> i dont see it yet at xbox
[06:35] <well_laid_lawn> did you check the samba link ^ ?
[06:38] <uofm49426> YES using samba server configuration drive setup /media/1e5ba2a94cbfbodo
[06:38] <uofm49426> permission read right visible
[06:38] <uofm49426> description media hard drive
[06:39] <uofm49426> how can i find out if it going out the right way
[06:40] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use an xbox but found this - http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=614896
[06:43] <uofm49426> wish i could get xbmc running but the natty repo is all but dont want to work
[06:48] <uofm49426> how about ushare
[06:48] <uofm49426> does ushare have a frontend gui
[06:55] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know about ushare
[07:05] <rlp10> I can't find the xubuntu touchpad settings, do I need to install something?
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> iirc there's pointer-settings for that
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> !info gpointer-settings
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> !info gpointer-settings
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> !info gpointer-setting
[07:07] <well_laid_lawn> bah
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> !info gpointing-device-settings
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> !info ta
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> ta
[09:08] <rostayob> Is there a way to make the volume control well integrated with pulseaudio
[09:09] <rostayob> Right now I have to manually use pavucontrol to mute/unmute sometimes
[09:25] <nikolam> How to report a bug when ubuntu-bug can not find firefox?  I have firefox 7 installed instead of in-distribudion one, using PPA repository for newer Firefox.
[09:25] <nikolam> Why reporting bugs is to tight to firefox, anyway? I am on Lucid, XUbuntu 10.04 LTS 64-bit.
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk.
[09:30] <nikolam> yes well_laid_lawn but what it have to do with reporting BUGS?
[09:31] <nikolam> If I upgrade my browser, or use any PPA, that should not affect BUG reporting for whole OS
[09:32] <nikolam> ubuntu-bug is misleadingly made inside to NEED firefox and not to use any other browser.
[09:32] <nikolam> Is looks to me like unintentional vendor lock-in for Mozilla Firefox.
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> you're using a ppa - ubuntu doesn't fix those bugs
[09:32] <nikolam> What if I uninstall firefox?
[09:32] <nikolam> well_laid_lawn, well, it is not PPA bug
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> then you won't have the bug from what you said
[09:32] <nikolam> Ok, I will try uninstalling Firefox
[09:33] <nikolam> and will see how it will report a bug then.
 How to report a bug when ubuntu-bug can not find firefox?  I have firefox 7 installed instead of in-distribudion one, using PPA repository for newer Firefox.
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> says you used a ppa
[09:33] <nikolam> ok, I will uninstall it.
[09:33] <nikolam> then what
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> do you have a bug then?
[09:34] <nikolam> will see after uninstalling
[09:35] <nikolam> And its about xfce-weather-plugin stopped working yesterday not updating weather from network etc
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> so where does firefox come into it?
[09:41] <nikolam> thats it. ubuntu'bug can not report bugs because it depends on firefox being installed.
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> ahh ok I'm with you now
[09:41] <nikolam> if uninstalled - > no reporting bugs
[09:42] <nikolam> So I guess i would need to install in-distribution firefox, to report bug on ubuntu-bug itself.
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> you'll need some sort of browser...
[09:43] <nikolam> I guess proper way should be that ubuntu-bug should use default browser, whatever it is, in my case seamonkey (or ff7 of chromium or konqueror or opera or...)
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> how can they sort out bugs if ppl have who knows what app installed from some ppa?
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> the ppa could change so many files
[09:45] <nikolam> Aha. but maybe it should work if there is no FF. there are other browsers in official repos, too, maybe someone does not have love on FF from repo? :)
[09:46] <nikolam> Hmm, maybe there should be some kind of protection for main distribution, protecting files replacements from PPAs.. but that is another topic.
[09:47] <nikolam> I personally think that reporting bugs should not be connected with choosing browser, that would be bug of mine.
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> if your reporting bugs in ubuntu it's fair they expect you to be using thier packages
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> you can report it as a bug or feature request
[09:49] <nikolam> yes that is true. And they should not expect I use firefox. :) I will.
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> luck ;)
[09:50] <nikolam> I guess better answer would be: Patch :)
[10:41] <nikolam> Oh, I need to find a way to report bugs alternatively. Even after installing firefox from repos, unable to report bug: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/728958/
[10:42] <well_laid_lawn> do you still have the ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:43] <well_laid_lawn> I'm guessing that might be an issue
[10:48] <nikolam> I diabled it.
[11:40] <x0r> re2all
[11:40] <x0r> i have troubles with my sound card, it didn't play
[11:41] <x0r> since i have installed xubuntu))
[11:41] <x0r> what i should to do?
[11:42] <plantoschka> hi
[11:42] <plantoschka> all channels umuted?
[11:42] <plantoschka> check alsamixer
[11:42] <x0r> no, only Emu tracker don't play
[11:43] <x0r> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC861-VD Analog [ALC861-VD Analog] card 1: USB [E-MU Tracker Pre | USB], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
[11:43] <plantoschka> open a terminal and type 'alsamixer'
[11:44] <x0r> done)
[11:44] <x0r> and what i should to do next?
[11:45] <plantoschka> there should be several regulators
[11:45] <plantoschka> check that everywhere below that is 00 and not MM
[11:45] <plantoschka> to switch press mm
[11:45] <plantoschka> m
[11:46] <plantoschka> brb 5 mins
[11:47] <x0r> but how to change default sound card
[11:49] <x0r> music does not play..
[11:53] <plantoschka> alsamixer
[11:53] <plantoschka> f6
[11:54] <plantoschka> for system you can change default soundcard in audio settings
[11:55] <plantoschka> or try
[11:55] <plantoschka> asoundconf list
[11:55] <plantoschka> asoundconf set-default-card CARD_NAME
[11:56] <plantoschka> or check this: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5608
[11:56] <Xsamsung> hi does anyone know how to put the titelbar into the panel with xfce 4.8 so link in ubuntu when a window sis maximided
[11:57] <plantoschka> Xsamsung, you mean sth like this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/how-to-enable-ubuntus-global-menu-in-xubuntu-11-10/
[11:57] <plantoschka> ?
[11:58] <Xsamsung> no linke this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/maximising-screen-space-in-ubuntu/ but this dosent work
[11:59] <Xsamsung> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=103732&file1=103732-1.png&file2=103732-2.png&file3=103732-3.png&name=Window+Applets&PHPSESSID=3b768ad8c7346c08f008ae8433b9f534
[12:01] <plantoschka> well there was some kind of applet for xfce panel to use gnome2 panel-applets. don't know if that still exists
[12:09] <x0r> plantoschka: but i haven't asoundconf
[12:09] <x0r> which packet i should install?
[12:11] <pahan> hello all, how to run compiz with xfce?
[12:11] <x0r> alsa-utils is alreay installed
[12:16] <plantoschka> x0r, : try it like this http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5608
[12:19] <x0r> it doesn't play again =(
[12:19] <GridCube> what doesnt?
[12:20] <x0r> the second soundcard doesn't play
[12:20] <GridCube> oh
[12:20] <GridCube> that can be tricky
[12:20] <GridCube> you do need them both?
[12:21] <x0r> yes
[12:21] <GridCube> both are pci?
[12:21] <x0r> but sometimes i use microphone which is connected to the first soundcard
[12:21] <GridCube> can you do a lspci and pastebin it?
[12:21] <x0r> the 1st - pci , and the 2nd - usb
[12:22] <GridCube> i see
[12:22] <GridCube> then one lsusb and one lspci :D
[12:22] <x0r> just a second
[12:23] <x0r> http://pastebin.com/4MGi5tFm
[12:25] <GridCube> ok which is the one that does not work?
[12:25] <GridCube> the usb one?
[12:25] <x0r> yes
[12:25] <x0r> usb one
[12:26] <GridCube> mmm i cant seem to recognize it on the lsusb
[12:26] <GridCube> can you?
[12:27] <GridCube> its the "creative technology ltd"?
[12:27] <x0r> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 041e:3f0a Creative Technology, Ltd
[12:27] <x0r> yes, its)
[12:29] <GridCube> x0r, question, do you have it pluged to you usb-hub?
[12:29] <x0r> no it's connected directly
[12:29] <GridCube> ok
[12:31] <GridCube> x0r, do you have pavucontrol installed?
[12:32] <GridCube> !pavucontrol
[12:32] <GridCube> !info pavucontrol
[12:32] <x0r> installed
[12:32] <GridCube> just checking
[12:32] <x0r> now)
[12:33] <x0r> good
[12:33] <x0r> thank you, man
[12:33] <x0r> and problem number 2
[12:34] <x0r> i have 2 monitors
[12:34] <xubuntu854> salve
[12:34] <x0r> how i can do extend one of them
[12:35] <GridCube> x0r, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/429642
[12:35] <GridCube> check that bug
[12:35] <xubuntu854> ho problemi all'accesso di xubuntu
[12:35] <GridCube> x0r, i know people here have done that do not know really how
[12:35] <GridCube> !it | xubuntu854
[12:36] <x0r> GridCube: what i should to install , if i want extend one of the monitor
[12:36] <GridCube> aranrd ?
[12:37] <GridCube> !info arandr
[12:37] <x0r> currently they are mirror
[12:37] <GridCube> yes, that happens
[12:37] <GridCube> as said, people here have fixed that
[12:37] <GridCube> not me tho :P
[12:38] <GridCube> i just have one monitor
[12:39] <x0r> GridCube: thank you very much)
[12:39] <GridCube> :) just trying to help
[12:41] <x0r> xfce is more usefull than unity, i think
[12:45] <GridCube> :D i think that too
[12:45] <x0r> what does mean option - lock channels together
[12:47] <x0r> or, i'm understand, sorry))
[12:47] <x0r> *oh
[14:05] <Fudge> any idea of orca accessibility in latest xubuntu
[14:08] <holstein> anyone running dual head?
[14:10] <holstein> Fudge: looks like gnome-orca is in the repos for 11.10
[14:10] <holstein> if you need a screen reader, i might look for something that doesnt pull in a bunch of gnome stuff (assuming orca does)
[14:10] <Fudge> oh, thanks
[14:11] <GridCube> not really, do you want to extend your monitor instead of mirroring it holstein ? tried arandr?
[14:11] <holstein> GridCube: so far, i just used the 'monitor' tool
[14:12] <holstein> it mirrored, and didnt work very well
[14:12] <holstein> i would like to do either
[14:12] <GridCube> well try arandr
[14:12] <holstein> i need spanned for most cases, but i do presentations from time to time as well
[14:13]  * holstein installing...
[14:14] <holstein> GridCube: i have to say, it looks right...
[14:14]  * holstein hooking up a monitor
[14:16] <GridCube> well, i have to see if i can install xubuntu whit the live cd, yesterday the alternate failed on me
[14:17] <GridCube> aahg god there it went again, its with no whit GridCube
[14:19] <holstein> GridCube: this is looking promising... thanks
[14:19] <GridCube> no prob
[14:30] <GridCube> yay \o/ iso downloaded creating usb
[14:31] <holstein> GridCube: :)
[14:36] <GridCube> ok will try it :D
[14:42] <Guest65065> Hi everyone, I installed chromium  last nigh to  replace firefox as the default. Even when I change chromium in the preferred applications menu, and selectt chrome, it asks  if  i  want it to be the default. every time i click to set it as the default and relaunch it from the menu, a dialog comes up asking me to choose  default  browser. any ideas?/ i'm new to this
[14:43] <babble> Guest65065: I've had problems with Chrome (and, in this case, I assume Chromium, as well) setting *itself* as the default browser and setting a default browser in Preferred Applictaions.
[14:43] <babble> don't set Chromium as the default in its dialog, when it asks - tick "don't ask again" - and just set it in preferred apps
[14:44] <Guest65065> that won't affect it when I launch   links  fromm xchat for example?/
[14:44] <Guest65065> actually ...  http://test.com
[14:44] <babble> no, it'll work correctly.
[14:44] <babble> I have Chrome installed now, and links from in here open in Chrome (instead of, say, Firefox)
[14:44] <Guest65065> why did you go  for chrome over chromium?/
[14:45] <babble> Guest65065: no special reason
[14:46] <Guest65065> babble: Hm well  thanks. Perhaps you could help me with another problem.  I am trying to install flash  player and having  performance problems  with the versions I try to install?/
[14:47] <babble> I'm not seeing particular peformance issues with Flash over the *usual* performance issues with flash. hehe. Let me see what I have installed.
[14:47] <holstein> Guest65065: in the 'advanced' tab over in 'session and startup' i checked the box for 'launch GNOME services at starup
[14:48] <holstein> im not sure what setting i did made it stick... i tried a bunch of things, and apparently gnome services helped make one persistent
[14:48] <Guest65065> babble: This is my first linux experience and I installed a few other distributions before xubuntu. I believe it was Linux mint that had the flash package that worked best.
[14:48] <Guest65065> I tried the default x64 flash install and got like 10fps on a 360p video
[14:49] <Guest65065> then I tried this 64bit package with a 32bit wrapper or something
[14:49] <Guest65065> and managed to get full speed up to 720p
[14:49] <babble> Guest65065: I have flashplugin-<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 installed; that should be installing 64-bit flash, but lemme rip open the metapackage and see what it's installed.
[14:51] <GridCube> :D
[14:51] <GridCube> AWESOME
[14:51] <GridCube> AWESOME!
[14:51]  * holstein hight-fives GridCube
[14:51] <GridCube> livecd works!
[14:51] <babble> okay, that's installing two things: Depends: flashplugin-downloader (>= <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1), nspluginwrapper
[14:51] <GridCube> all networks are working
[14:52] <GridCube> touchscreen works out of the box
[14:52] <GridCube> >:D
[14:52] <GridCube> good bye win7
[14:53] <babble> Guest65065: you should have the following installed in Synaptic: flashplugin-installer, nspluginwrapper, flashplugin-downloader
[14:54] <holstein> also, the graphics driver can effect video performance
[14:54] <holstein> and compositing
[14:54] <Guest65065> Hm I don't know enough yet to understand graphics drivers etc
[14:54] <Guest65065> I know that upon initial install I had around 300 frames in glxgears
[14:55] <Guest65065> after installing fglrx
[14:55] <holstein> Guest65065: thats the only reason i bring it up
[14:55] <Guest65065> i get around 2000
[14:55] <holstein> its not necessarily the xubuntu vs. mint
[14:55] <Guest65065> babble: Thanks I'm installing them al now
[14:55] <holstein> there are different kernels, differnt graphics driver rev, and proprietary driver
[14:55] <Guest65065> yeah
[14:56] <Guest65065> it's just the performance difference is/was so drastic
[14:56] <babble> Guest65065: flashplugin-installer is a metapackage - it will grab the other two for you
[14:56] <holstein> AFAIK, mint provides those proprietary drivers out of the box
[14:56] <Guest65065> holstein: which drivers? I had to install fglrx on mint too
[14:57] <holstein> Guest65065: whatever drivers you need...
[14:58] <Guest65065> holstein: I would just assume a distribution like  ubuntu would be doing the same
[14:58] <Guest65065> Oddly enough there are a few things fixed and some broken
[14:58] <Guest65065> for example, i could correctly use the keyboard shortcuts to adjust volume .. on xubuntu they don't work.
[14:58] <holstein> Guest65065: but you are not taking everything into consideration
[14:59] <Guest65065> holstein: I can't given how limited my experience is : p
[14:59] <holstein> and ubuntu *cant* release proprietary blobs like mint can/does
[14:59] <holstein> ubuntu = xubuntu so...
[14:59] <GridCube> mmm my netbook already had 3 primary partitions
[14:59] <Guest65065> holstein: Aside from basic things like graphic or audio drivers ... i have no idea how or where to grab packages for things like my keyboard shortcuts
[14:59] <holstein> Guest65065: i say, choose your battles, and take it one thing at a tie
[14:59] <holstein> time*
[15:00] <holstein> also, buy more linux friendly when you have the opportunity
[15:00] <GridCube> so if i make a new primary for xubuntu i can not keep partitioning it, its safe to install a OS on a logical partition or should i ditch the win7 partitions allthogheter
[15:00] <holstein> its a bit of a transition if you are coming from windows, but for me, now-a-days, i have a much more challenging time installing/configuring windows
[15:01] <Guest65065> holstein: I bought this laptop solely to install a linux distribution on it and begin learning : P
[15:01] <Guest65065> it's  Lenovo x120e, i was told they generally have good/great compatibility
[15:01] <holstein> GridCube: i remember getting rid of one on a netbook, and reclaiming space... there was a 'data' partition in win7
[15:02] <holstein> but, last reinstall i just wiped it
[15:02] <Guest65065> holstein: Every distribution has something working the other didn't, which makes me optimistic
[15:02] <Guest65065> i might have video and sound issues in xubuntu, but i don't have any random hangs or errors during my boot -- and even bluetooth works
[15:02] <babble> Guest65065: I'm using the XFCE Volume daemon, which handles media keys in Xfce as well as notifcations for volume mounts.
[15:02] <holstein> Guest65065: i like using live CD's for that... to see whats doing what and why... you just have to learn what to look for
[15:02] <Guest65065> but in linux mint, i do get random black screens and boot errors etc,
[15:02] <babble> sec, I'll get you the exact package name.
[15:02] <GridCube> i have main called W7OS with 300gb a Recuperation with 5g and a system with 1gb
[15:03] <holstein> kernel versions... what pacakges are where... ALSA rev... whatever
[15:03] <Guest65065> it's a netbook holstein : P
[15:03] <Guest65065> I did try the live versions on my usb stick
[15:03] <holstein> Guest65065: i have 4
[15:03] <Guest65065> babble: Is that enabled by default ?
[15:03] <GridCube> :> im installed on a netbook Guest65065
[15:03] <babble> not volume *mounts* but volume *event,* rather.
[15:03] <babble> anyway.
[15:03] <GridCube> installing
[15:03] <babble> xfce4-volumed
[15:04] <babble> it should have been but I'm running from a clean install of Xubuntu
[15:04] <GridCube> :D the meta volume keys are working
[15:04] <holstein> yeah... my keyboard shortcuts 'just work'
[15:04] <babble> if you didn't nuke your last installation of Ubuntu or Mint, I suppose it's possible you have some odd config bits hanging around
[15:04] <Guest65065> babble: Nah they were worked and it's installed at latest version : P
[15:05] <GridCube> ok so my question, its safe to install an OS on a logic partition?
[15:06] <babble> are you running gnome bits that also expect to handle your volume keys/
[15:06] <babble> ?
[15:07] <holstein> GridCube: if the installer will use it, i dont see why not
[15:07] <holstein> should be fine
[15:10] <GridCube> well im defining the partiotion with gparted
[15:11] <GridCube> :/
[15:39] <pahan> hi everyone, I have lags when I resize windows. Does anybody know what is the problem?
[15:44] <GridCube> yay! i broke things up :D
[15:45] <GridCube> well not so much :D
[15:45] <GridCube> rezising worked
[15:48] <GridCube> i could use the 'rescue' partition as swap :P
[15:59] <GridCube> :D this is awesome
[15:59] <GridCube> it took my picture
[15:59] <GridCube> :D
[16:00] <GridCube> i havent used the live installer in years
[16:11] <chebureque> hi there
[16:12] <chebureque> guys i've got a problem that makes me mad)
[16:12] <holstein> chebureque: :/
[16:14] <chebureque> after connecting a usb flash, my system automatically mounts it, then i'm trying to write a film on it (both using mc and thunar), and every time my usb remounts, failing the copy process
[16:14] <chebureque> xubuntu 11.10 (in 11.04 there was same problem)
[16:14] <holstein> interesting
[16:15] <chebureque> copying success on 12-15 try
[16:15] <holstein> chebureque: you might want to try grsync
[16:15] <chebureque> i'm newbi to linux, what's that is&
[16:15] <chebureque> ?
[16:16] <holstein> chebureque: assuming this is the *same* usb stick, it could be failing
[16:17] <chebureque> that's not usb stick problem
[16:17] <chebureque> was trying with another one - same shit
[16:17] <chebureque> what is grsync?
[16:18] <holstein> chebureque: this channel is logged, if you dont mind to be more courteous with your language :)
[16:18] <chebureque> sorry, i will
[16:19] <holstein> chebureque: you can try to copy the files with rsync in the terminal
[16:19] <holstein> or grsync which is a GUI rsync, and maybe you will get output
[16:19] <holstein> helpful error messages
[16:19] <chebureque> hm
[16:19] <holstein> you just need to troubleshoot it, and see
[16:19] <holstein> there are at least 2 constants that i can state
[16:20] <holstein> the machine/USB controller, and you
[16:20] <chebureque> should i install something or its a shell command?
[16:20] <holstein> so, it coud be that you have not aquired the skill, or that the USB controller is not very well supported
[16:30] <chebureque> hm
[16:30] <chebureque> with grsync everything copied well
[16:30] <chebureque> no remounts
[16:30] <chebureque> Rsync process exit status: 0
[16:52] <tjingboem> where can i tell grub to generate a bigger font for the choice menu?
[16:54] <GridCube> tjingboem, http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html#how_to_change_font
[17:00] <tjingboem> GridCube thanks very much!
[17:04] <tjingboem> can i also change the font size of Thunar?
[17:05] <Sysi> I think it just uses default one
[17:08] <tjingboem> okay, i'll tweak that a bit
[17:11] <GridCube> i like to change it to the ubuntu font
[17:14] <Marion> What does dpkg --configure -a do
[17:18] <Marion> My usb mouse is not bring recognized how can I fix this
[17:19] <incorrect> Marion, see if the kernel found your mouse in dmesg
[17:20] <Marion> I'm just using the defaults
[17:20] <incorrect> what mouse is it?
[17:21] <Marion> Wait it started working
[17:29] <Dr41th6h> Hey everyone.
[18:26] <donatas_> Hi everyone, I just installed xubuntu 11.10 on my laptop and for some reason I can;t install hardware drivers or install any updates
[18:26] <donatas_> could someone help me out
[18:27] <donatas_> i'm connecting to the internet through USB cable going to my router
[18:27] <donatas_> firefox work just fine, internet is online
[18:28] <donatas_> I get these lines from jockey.log
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:21:45,276 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_173_updates).enabled(): target_alt$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:21:45,277 DEBUG: nvidia_173_updates is not the alternative in use
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:21:45,450 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current_updates).enabled(): target$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:21:45,451 DEBUG: nvidia_current_updates is not the alternative in$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:16,366 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current).enabled(): target_alt Non$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:16,367 DEBUG: nvidia_current is not the alternative in use
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:16,768 DEBUG: Installing package: nvidia-current
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:17,586 ERROR: Binary package nvidia-current has no trusted ori$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:17,849 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_current failed: ERRO$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:17,850 ERROR: XorgDriverHandler.enable(): package or module no$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:17,867 ERROR: xorg:nvidia_current: get_alternative_by_name(nvi$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:18,039 DEBUG: NVidia(nvidia_current).enabled(): target_alt Non$
[18:28] <donatas_> 2011-11-05 20:24:18,040 DEBUG: nvidia_current is not the alternative in use
[18:28] <donatas_> any thoughts ?
[18:32] <TheSheep> please use a pastebin next time
[18:32] <TheSheep> I can't even see your question
[18:37] <donatas_> I get error when trying to install hardware drivers or updates after fresh install of xubuntu 11.10
[18:39] <madnick> I have the same problem O_o
[18:40] <donatas_> update manager says - Requires installation of untrusted packages
[18:40] <donatas_> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[18:47] <donatas_> Also I can't install any packages at all... it seams like something is wrong with repositories, authentification etc.
[18:48] <Azelphur> Anyone  know how I set up a shared printer with Xubuntu?
[18:51] <donatas_> changing to main server in software sources fixed the problem... Probably my local server was down
[18:53] <donatas_> Xubuntu is like a breath of fresh air after unity... great simple and effective interface
[19:06] <StormStrikes> Anyone with a Dell XPS 17 L702X that has the fan constantly running?  If so, any solutions?
[19:52] <madnick> anyone happen to know what you need to tell aticonfig for it to extend my desktop?
[19:52] <madnick> (not make 2 seperate desktops)
[19:53] <madnick> (cant use dtop)
[21:14] <XubuntuKris> I have an issue with genmon since upgrading to 11.10.
[21:15] <XubuntuKris> Any time I boot up, it won't run automatically...well, it does run, but it only displays a blank spot where it's supposed to display the command output. I have to right click the blank spot and click properties, then it shows up and I can close out of the properties without changing anything.
[21:16] <XubuntuKris> I don't have long to get info from here, so if anyone has anything, it'd be greatly appreciated.
[21:17] <ochosi> XubuntuKris: i guess the best thing would be to report a bug at bugzilla.xfce.org
[21:18] <ochosi> it doesn't sound like there'll be a quick and easy solution
[21:19] <XubuntuKris> Maybe. I thought that it might have been something I'm doing wrong.lol
[21:20] <XubuntuKris> is there supposed to be a certain way that the command I'm using should be input?
[21:20] <XubuntuKris> like, example: uname -n
[21:21] <XubuntuKris> should it have quotes?
[21:21] <XubuntuKris> or anything else?
[21:21] <XubuntuKris> or just the command?
[21:25] <XubuntuKris> anyway, times up, I'm out.
[21:53] <xubuntu269> Hi !
[21:53] <xubuntu269> Is there anyone ?
[21:54] <xubuntu269> I see, I'm alone. :'(
[21:55] <ochosi> !ask
[21:55] <ochosi> !hi
[21:55] <Sysi> oh hi ochosi
[21:55] <ochosi> hey Sysi
[22:14] <takis-sanjo> hey, is there a way to save current save of windows and process opened and restore after restart?
[22:15] <takis-sanjo> state*
[22:15] <knome> takis-sanjo, check the "save session" boc on logout - note that it won't save documents etc. though, just the windows that are open
[22:16] <takis-sanjo> ok thanx
[22:16] <TheSheep> you can also sleep/hibernate instead of powering off...
[22:57] <Marion> Omg linux
[22:57] <knome> ?
[22:57] <Marion> Broke
[22:58] <Marion> So I updated from 11.04 to 11.10 abner it won't boot
[23:05] <ubuntu> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[23:06] <ubuntu> I trust all of you find yourselves well
[23:11] <ubuntu> is anyone else having troubles installing Precise Xubuntu ?
[23:11] <ubuntu> Runs great in live mode but won't install onto ones hard drive.
[23:11] <knome> precise? that's not even alpha yet.
[23:12] <knome> there is no support for it yet
[23:12] <Sysi> oh they announced name already?
[23:12] <knome> ages ago
[23:12] <knome> precise pangolin
[23:12] <Sysi> very ubuntu
[23:13] <ubuntu> test
[23:18] <ubuntu> too bad one can't install Precise Pangolin it runs very well in live mode
[23:18] <madnick> where did you even get that iso?
[23:19] <madnick> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20111105/ ?
[23:19] <takis-sanjo> hey i know this might not be the right chan, but how do i install python modules is there something similar to cpan like in perl?
[23:20] <Myrtti> takis-sanjo: first check if the modules are installable via ubuntu package management
[23:21] <ubuntu> yes from that exact same place madnick
[23:22] <madnick> okay :)
[23:22] <ubuntu> How does one change ones nick in Xchat ?
[23:22] <Myrtti> /nick
[23:22] <Myrtti> should work in every client
[23:23] <takis-sanjo> Myrtti, nope they are not...
[23:23] <deborah> madnick, did you try installing it ?
[23:23] <madnick> deborah: i am waiting until Dec 1, where testing starts :)
[23:24] <deborah> and here I wanted to run it off of my hard drive lol
[23:24] <madnick> There was a release 20 days ago :P
[23:29] <deborah> pity because the precise Xubuntu live disk runs extremely  well.
[23:33] <Myrtti> are there any differences to Oneiric yet at this point?
[23:35] <deborah> Myrttl, well I noticed that my tracpad works far more smoothly under precise then oneiric.
[23:36] <deborah> granted I'm running precise live so far it doesn't seem install to a hard drive yet
[23:41] <Myrtti> right... well, to me that wouldn't be good enough reason to install precise permanently yet
[23:47] <deborah>  Myrtti, if you have a nice test  partition like I do I'd test away.


[00:54] <quotemstr> How do I use bzr merge to *revert* a revision given a commit number without having to type it twice?
[01:02] <quotemstr> What on earth?
[01:02] <quotemstr> bzr diff -r 102621..102620 shows a diff for an unrelated revision.
[19:20] <lifeless> when is the release due that has jam's patch to commit to lightweight checkouts ?
[19:24] <jelmer> lifeless: you mean to stacked branches?
[19:24] <jelmer> let me check if it's in 2.3, if so it's already out
[19:24] <lifeless> yeah
[19:25] <jelmer> otherwise, 2.4 will be out around August I think
[19:26] <jelmer> lifeless: it's in 2.3.0, so a fixed version has been out for roughly a month
[19:27] <jelmer> (and is present in unstable/testing)
[23:45] <jelmer> lifeless: thanks again for the encouragement to get the normal bzr testsuite going against the foreign formats.. finding *heaps* of small bugs
[23:46] <lifeless> jelmer: :)
[23:46] <lifeless> jelmer: I'm really glad you're doing that


[05:12] <pianogmx> if my familiarity is with java with some familiarity with C++, what would be the best way of getting started to contribute to ubuntu / app development?
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[09:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wear Brown Shoes Day!  :-D
[10:33] <t1mp> JamesTait: haha. good to know :) good morning to you too.
[10:34] <JamesTait> t1mp, I was hesitant to post it, because I don't have any brown shoes myself. :-/
[10:36] <t1mp> haha :)
[11:17] <AlienPenguin> hi all, i am experimenting with ubuntu-touch on a nexus 4, i tried to use "import QtLocation" in a qml program but ubuntu-sdk complained about not finding it. any hints/examples?
[11:18] <AlienPenguin> also, what is the gps device? i tried accessing ttyUSB0 with no luck
[11:32] <timppa> AlienPenguin: You need QtDeclarative packages on Desktop Ubuntu where you run SDK
[15:01] <popey> mzanetti: lenovo engineer just arrived.. be there in a moment
[15:01] <mzanetti> popey: no worries
[18:22] <seanz> Greetings. Would this be the right channel to find a package maintainer?
[18:23] <seanz> I'm looking to talk with someone who maintains a package with a Java .war file.
[18:23] <sarnold> seanz: a click package or a .deb package?
[18:24] <seanz> sarnold: .deb package. I don't know what a click package is.
[18:24] <seanz> So maybe click package is what I want, but I lack knowledge. :)
[18:24] <sarnold> seanz: newfangled phone and tablet-aimed thingy :)
[18:24] <seanz> Oh, nope. Not me.
[18:24] <sarnold> seanz: try #ubuntu-devel :)
[18:24] <seanz> For .deb package info?
[18:25] <sarnold> yeah, more packagers will hang out there than here, I think; this channel is more for people who are building new phone and tablet applications and the infrastructure to support those
[18:25] <seanz> Interesting. #ubuntu-devel's subject line indicated this channel for "app development". I figured that meant .deb packages.
[18:25] <seanz> Got it.
[18:25] <seanz> Thanks.
[19:01] <iBelieve> mhall119: ping
[19:02] <mhall119> iBelieve: pong
[19:04] <iBelieve> mhall119: I have questions about where to place the Settings tab/page in the File Manager app, do you know who I should talk to? My question is sparked by LP #1257871
[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1257871 in Ubuntu File Manager App "Settings should be an icon on the toolbar instead of a tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257871
[19:05] <mhall119> iBelieve: I brought this up with the design team at UDS, I think the desire is to provide a consistent way of accessing app settings, but I don't think any specific approach has been chosed yet
[19:07] <iBelieve> mhall119: okay, thanks
[19:07] <mhall119> np
[19:07] <mhall119> I think a button in the Toolbar is best for now
[19:07] <mhall119> IMO anyway
[19:24] <davmor2> mhall119, iBelieve: +1 for the button, the only issue then becomes the behaviour of clicking the button and which side you put the button :D
[19:26] <mhall119> I think (hope) that ultimately apps will be able to use the HUD toolbar's buttons for accessing their preferences
[22:17] <charlie_> hi


[09:51] <k1l> also da outet sich hilfsherrif danjou aber las ganz schöner noob
[17:11] <Fuchs> k1l: falscher Kanal :p
[17:12] <k1l> yep m(
[21:40] <MichealH> Can I have permission to put my piespy in #ubuntu-release-party
[21:40] <MichealH> It will not output to the channel :)
[21:41] <guntbert> MichealH: what can a piespy be? does it spy on pies? :-))
[21:41] <MichealH> Nope :P
[21:41] <MichealH> http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
[21:42] <MichealH> Social Networking bot
[21:42] <MichealH> It grabs relationships between people and puts them in a image
[21:43] <MichealH> This is a output of a quich convosation in #omg!ubuntu!
[21:43] <MichealH> http://michealh.tk/piespy/omg!ubuntu!/omg!ubuntu!-current.png
[21:43] <IdleOne> MichealH: join #ubuntu-ops and see what the others say.
[21:43] <DJones> MichealH: Have you been copying popey's bot :)
[21:44] <MichealH> Nope :P
[21:44] <MichealH> I just remembered there was such a thing, my friend uses it :)
[21:44] <DJones> He's had one doing the same
[21:46] <popey> i do
[21:47] <popey> made videos of the last release fun in the channel
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Who do I contact to get Mootbot-UK into #xubuntu-devel as a meetingbot?
[22:00]  * popey pokes AlanBell
[22:01] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: will sort that out later
[22:02] <charlie-tca> thanks


[10:56] <toddobryan> Does anyone use a PPC machine for Java? I'm having trouble installing the latest IBM JDK.


[01:40] <Sarvatt> bladernr_: theres no magic way to tell, nvidia and amd both have their own exclusive gl extensions to check total video ram :(
[11:51] <mlankhorst> well iirc libdrm could export that information too


[18:52] <mterry> Hello!  Is http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/setup_kvm_for_mir.html current?  I'm running a kvm with SPICE and QXL drivers and I don't have /dev/dri/
[18:52] <mterry> Is there more setup to do, in order to run Mir inside kvm?
[18:56] <kdub> mterry, as far as I know, it is current, alf_ would know  for sure though
[18:58] <mterry> kdub, do you know if the kernel junk is obsolete though?  It mentions that 3.18 might be enough.  I'm testing with a 15.04 kernel
[18:58] <mterry> Which is 3.19 these days
[18:59] <kdub> mterry, i'm not sure
[19:01]  * mterry looks hopefully at alf_
[19:20] <mterry> What about running snappy on a real device?  I see the recommendation for a beaglebone.  But like, can I load it on my krillin?
[19:20] <mterry> whoops, wrong channel
[19:52] <anpok_> mterry: yes 3.19 is enough
[19:53] <anpok_> mterry: do you see qxl in kernel messages?
[19:54] <anpok_> havent upgraded my kvm vm for some time
[19:54] <mterry> anpok_, let me check
[19:54] <mterry> anpok_, "dmesg | grep -i qxl" gives nothing
[19:56] <mterry> anpok_, but virt-manager suggests I am using it.  :-/


[05:55] <bluesabre> lightdm development moved to github https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/lightdm/2017-November/001094.html
[06:24] <flocculant> ochosi: ppa picked it up - that looks better :)
[06:24] <flocculant> thanks :)
[08:29] <ochosi> flocculant: nice, so another issue we can close :)
[08:30] <ochosi> (i need to draw a nicer icon still...)
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> the replacement of evince, file-roller and gnome calc for atril, engrampa and mate-calc has a minimum impact in our documentation
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> from the three, just evince is referenced, in one line on chapter five
[10:40] <knome> slickymasterWork, yep
[17:55] <flocculant> ochosi: :)
[22:21] <Unit193> ochosi: ...notifyd does weird things with notifications, namly putting some type of hex for chars.
[22:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: that sounds amusing
[22:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well, makes the spam from #freenode even longer. :P
[22:44] <bluesabre> :D
[23:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: I don't suppose you'd know about plans for ubiquity or the installer Ubuntu plans to use?
[23:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: I know absolutely nothing about that
[23:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, regarding at-spi-core, it should be recommends usually, since it's GNOME's Accessibility interface.
[23:13] <Unit193> Eg, something to have by default, sure.  But nice to allow uninstallation.
[23:13] <Unit193> Also yey conflicts in xubuntu.bionic! :D
[23:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: aha, recommends where?
[23:14] <bluesabre> and I guess I should undo my sorting
[23:14] <bluesabre> Guessing all this means I have mail somewhere.....
[23:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: atril hard depends on it.
[23:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: Nonono!  I mean locally!   :P
[23:21] <krytarik> I also know of nothing!
[23:21] <bluesabre> I've definitely lost it.
[23:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: need anything from me?
[23:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Pardon?
[23:22] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/pxXqdG5WFXfwNbCQRrCA/ was it! \o/
[23:22] <Unit193> > app-install-data-partner  that's not needed anymore.
[23:22] <bluesabre> that's it
[23:22] <bluesabre> :D
[23:22] <bluesabre> Thought I removed that
[23:22] <bluesabre> Guess I missed it :)
[23:23] <bluesabre> Will knock that out tonight/tomorrow unless you beat me to it
[23:33] <Unit193> If I start looking at the seeds, I'll likely want to tidy more. :3
[23:35] <Unit193> BTW: Description-en: Ubuntu modifications for Firefox
[23:35] <Unit193>  This package currently ships no functionality, but may be used again in
[23:35] <Unit193>  the future to display a restart notification after upgrading Firefox.
[23:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: by all means! :D
[23:36] <bluesabre> and dang, what a silly extension
[23:39] <Unit193> xfce4-indicator-plugin shouldn't be in core..Oh.
[23:46] <Unit193> The panel gives a popup when a default panel item isn't installed, right?