 I will go hide again. I am in the kernel triage summit class now
[15:40] <knome> hf
[17:04] <ikonia> I hate people who think you have to use ubuntu server to actual make services be "served"
[17:04] <IdleOne> they just don't know
[17:05] <IdleOne> not to blame really.
[17:05] <ikonia> actually it is
[17:05] <IdleOne> hehe ok it is
[17:05] <IdleOne> I was trying to be nice
[17:05] <ikonia> to just install things blind is your own fault
[17:06] <IdleOne> I usually keep one eye open when installing stuffs
[17:06] <ikonia> a little bit of research oesn't hurt
[17:06] <ikonia> doesn't
[17:07] <gnomefreak> some people are scard of google
[17:07] <IdleOne> was a guy last night who wanted to install an ircd to test his java irc client. so he did. then asked how do i run it?
[17:07] <IdleOne> he asked if there was a GUI ircd
[17:07] <IdleOne> I wanted to fall out my chair
[17:27] <IdleOne> so you do have a sense of humor :)
[17:28] <IdleOne> good to know
[18:27] <knome> hey guys
[18:27] <knome> what's the general policy with mint users?
[18:29] <gnomefreak> do you mean do we support it?
[18:29] <IdleOne> we don't
[18:30] <IdleOne> we refer to !mintsupport
[18:30] <knome> do we kick users with mint out?
[18:30] <knome> or can they stay
[18:30] <IdleOne> kick them? they can stay but #ubuntu doesn't support mint because it is not ubuntu
[18:30] <knome> so if they keep on asking for support, then ban?
[18:30] <IdleOne> if they insist on asking offtopic questions and ignore request not to then I suppose you can kick them
[18:31] <knome> (again, i'm mostly talking about #xubuntu where i'm op)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> same thing
[18:31] <knome> one more question
[18:31] <IdleOne> knome: depends on channel policy but yeah
[18:31] <knome> what about bad attitude
[18:31] <knome> like saying "don't upgrade, wireless won't work"
[18:31] <IdleOne> bad attitude is not CoC
[18:31] <knome> is it straight ban?
[18:32] <IdleOne> no
[18:32] <IdleOne> nothing is straight
[18:32] <knome> what would you suggest
[18:32] <IdleOne> ask them to keep in mind that their experience is not the only one, mileage varies
[18:33] <knome> but if the continue with the attitude?
[18:33] <knome> *they
[18:33] <IdleOne> my computer works perfect and all my hardware. does that mean yours does also?
[18:33] <knome> yeah i understand that perfectly
[18:33] <gnomefreak> remove him/her/them
[18:33] <IdleOne> knome: CoC says that a bad attitude is not helpful to anyone
[18:33] <knome> also, does it make any sens to banforward the mint users here?
[18:33] <knome> *sense
[18:33] <knome> or should all bans be banforwarded here
[18:33] <IdleOne> not on first offence
[18:34] <gnomefreak> if they keep it up yes
[18:34] <IdleOne> it also depends on the severity of the infraction
[18:34] <IdleOne> common sense is a must
[18:35] <knome> yeah
[18:35] <gnomefreak> someone was banned already it seems but not sure who
[18:35] <gnomefreak> #x
[18:36] <knome> though it's quite hard to evaluate the severity, since i'm only sporadically hanging around @#ubuntu, and it's normally really quiet in #xubuntu so small things feel bigger
[18:38] <knome> how could i see the banlist again? :P
[18:38] <knome> HA
[18:38] <knome> other way around ;)
[18:38]  * gnomefreak hangs out in >30 channels so its hard for me to see all of them at one time but #u +1 #k #x -ops -mozillateam  and the ones i pretty much look at most
[18:39] <IdleOne> knome: well for me, any racial slur is a ban. swearing gets a warning !language, same with attitude. Pointing the user to the !guidelines will usually get them to stop also the !coc
[18:40] <IdleOne> but with swearing it also depends, did they drop the F bomb in a moment of frustration with the issue or did they just insult your mother and it had nothing to do with the issue?
[18:40] <knome> IdleOne, yeah, i'll try to keep !guidelines in my mind. probably better than always starting a debate (since that's what people start to do - justify their behavior)
[18:41] <IdleOne> there is no debating the swearing rule
[18:41] <IdleOne> it is not tolerated
[18:41] <knome> yeah, but debating any rule
[18:41] <knome> or debating whether they think it was a violation or not :P
[18:42] <IdleOne> yeah, I see the guidelines/rules as definitive. There is no debating them, even those I don't agree with
[18:42] <knome> exactly.
[18:42] <knome> and that's clearly not only that single ops' opinion
[18:42] <knome> it has more into it
[18:42] <gnomefreak> no i agree with it as well
[18:43] <IdleOne> debating the rules is fine, just not in the support channel
[18:43] <knome> IdleOne, so in #ubuntu-ops then? :)
[18:44] <IdleOne> if they want to discuss them ask them to come here or #ubuntu-irc
[18:44] <knome> okay
[18:44] <knome> so #ubuntu-irc is for... which channels?
[18:44] <IdleOne> but even then the debate isn't about changing the rule to accomadate them but more to make them understand that they are what they are
[18:44] <charlie-tca> sometimes all it takes is a kick and they behave, too
[18:44] <knome> yeah, sure
[18:44] <IdleOne> -ops is for the core channels
[18:45] <gnomefreak> and IMHO racial slurs and such should get the user banned from all of our channels that he/she is in
[18:45] <gnomefreak> but hey thats just me
[18:45] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: agreed but we don't do that :/
[18:45] <gnomefreak> i know
[18:45] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, but if that user is a troll, you're probably only feeding the user more
[18:46] <IdleOne> identifying a troll is a skill and gets easier with time. you will learn soon enogh when to just kick and when to ban
[18:46]  * gnomefreak off to cook
[18:46] <knome> seems like it really is a bigger problem that users just jump into the next channel to continue
[18:46] <knome> some of them have even ended up in #xubuntu ...
[18:47] <IdleOne> I might be wrong but I do let the behavior in one channel effect my decisions in another channel.
[18:48] <IdleOne> If I see that the user was being a troll in one channel and then see them start in another I will take care of it. even though sometimes it seems preemptive
[18:54] <knome> okay, bbl
[18:54] <knome> have a nice evening :)
[18:54] <IdleOne> you too
[19:04] <IdleOne> yeah, not gonna happen
[20:19]  * mneptok is having "no sound" issues in both Lucid and Maverick.
[20:20] <mneptok> i'm dowloading the Debian LiveCD. if this turns out to be a Pulseaudio issue, i'm gonna freak.
[20:20] <jrib> mneptok: you're logging in through gdm?
[20:22] <mneptok> yup
[20:27] <mneptok> of course, you can't purge PA because ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[20:27] <mneptok> WTF are people smoking?
[20:27] <mneptok> if Debian works on this machine, and Hardy, i think i'm done with Ubuntu. this is just ridiculous.
[20:28] <Tm_T> mneptok: you should use Kubuntu
[20:28] <jrib> mneptok: ah, when I first moved to linux I had sound issues because something happens with gdm that doesn't happen if I just type startx, I ended up just adding my user to the audio group to workaround it
[20:28] <jrib> s/linux/lucid
[20:29] <mneptok> Tm_T: PA is not present in KDE?
[20:31] <Tm_T> mneptok: it can be used but it's not necessary and thus not dependency
[20:31] <mneptok> well, not an option here
[20:31] <mneptok> unless you're volunteering to teach my 76 year old foather to use an entirely new DE
[20:35] <jpds> mneptok: entirely new German?
[20:35] <Tm_T> mneptok: true that
[20:37] <mneptok> building a half-baked sound architecture into an LTS release and making the entire desktop depend upon it is insane.
[22:08] <bazhang> thank goodness


[17:34] <Kano> hi, how about patching the old gspca driver and use that instead of the splitted one from the 2.6.27 kernel? i don't think that any webcam will work with it...
[18:46] <laga_> amitk: reverting kees' commit fixes the aufs problem
[18:50] <laga_> amitk: now what am i supposed to do? i'm not sure if i understand your directions correctly. just revert the aufs changes?


[12:27] <_StefanS_> night
[02:44] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:05] <ryanakca> hey Hobbsee
[03:05] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:15] <Lure> ryanakca: new kmilo works on gutsy
[09:17] <Lure> ryanakca: did not play with customiation, but I am sure kwwii can do something nice with it ;-)
[09:25] <amachu> hi, I would like to have list of all applications included in Kubuntu
[09:25] <amachu> any place, link URL ?
[09:43] <mhb> Lure: I wonder if we need to have it themable
[09:43] <mhb> Lure: (kmilo)
[09:46] <Lure> mhb: we just need good default
[09:52] <mhb> Lure: good news - http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Polyester_2:_the_mighty_future!
[09:54] <Lure> mhb: great
[10:15] <Hobbsee> hey all
[10:16] <fdoving> hi hobbsee.
[10:16] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did you experience problems with the umount dialog?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: yeah
[10:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: never seems to unmount cleanly
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sdb1 (/dev/sdb1) named 'CRUZERDISK' and currently mounted at /media/CRUZERDISK could not be unmounted.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Unmounting failed due to the following error:
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot remove directory
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Moreover, programs still using the device have been detected. They are listed below. You have to close them or change their working directory before attempting to unmount the device again.
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:19] <Hobbsee> Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory
[10:19] <Hobbsee> is the error i get
[10:19] <Hobbsee> often it shows processes as well
[10:19] <fdoving> that's an HAL error. can you umount with pumount ?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> havent tried
[10:20] <Hobbsee> syntax?
[10:20] <fdoving> pumount /media/CRUZERDISK
[10:20] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ah right.  yep
[10:20] <Hobbsee> no errors
[10:20] <fdoving> ok, if you try again with the kde-way?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> same errors as before
[10:21] <fdoving> hum.. well, is that kde 3.5.7?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> and i get the unmount dialog box slowly going, too
[10:21] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:21] <fdoving> slowly?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> well, i've just discovred that it still exists - behind the error box
[10:22] <fdoving> did you install kio-umountwrapper ?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy kio-umountwrapper
[10:23] <Hobbsee> W: Unable to locate package kio-umountwrapper
[10:23] <fdoving> (not that it has anything to do with the error messages at all, but it will provide the umountwrapper)
[10:23] <fdoving> http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/
[10:24] <Hobbsee> http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio_umountwrapper/kio-umountwrapper_0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb presumably?
[10:24] <fdoving> yep.
[10:25] <Hobbsee> seems faster to error out.  *shrug*
[10:25] <Hobbsee> what's it do?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> in particular?
[10:25] <fdoving> it's a wrapper around kio_media_mounthelper to make the new and fancier progressdialog.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> ooh :)
[10:26] <fdoving> the old one hacked into kdebase will disappear.. if it's still there.
[10:26] <fdoving> but the errors are from hal, so something must be wrong somewhere.
[10:26] <fdoving> if you get the error, and do 'fuser -vm /media/CRUZERDISK' - does it say anything?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> after getting the error, before hitting ok?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ooh, i see :)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> fdoving: Cannot stat /media/CRUZERDISK: No such file or directory x3
[10:30] <fdoving> hmm..
[10:31] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming it's removing the directory first, and tehn saying "help, i cant unmount!"
[10:32] <Hobbsee> presumably it calls by the mount point, rather than by the /dev/$da#
[10:32] <fdoving> probably something like that. but that must be something that changed in 3.5.7, i have not seen any commits to that section though.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> there's been talk about 3.5.7 breaking something with media again
[10:33] <fdoving> i'm not surprised if our mediapatches (which sucks bigtime) breaks something when applied to 3.5.7.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> we did say fix or remove them
[10:34] <Hobbsee> but i think _Sime_ was goign to fix them?
[10:34] <fdoving> s/sucks bigtime/is a mess/
[10:34] <Hobbsee> or said he was?
[10:35] <fdoving> don't know. i've been fixing a few small issues.
[10:43] <Hobbsee> fdoving: are you the author of that kio unmountwrapper?
[10:45] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yes.
[10:45] <Hobbsee> any plans to get it into ubuntu?
[10:46] <fdoving> yes, tonio is handling that.
[10:46] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:47] <fdoving> it'll appear on revu some time soon.
[10:47] <fdoving> keep an eye on it, and give it a +1 :)
[10:48] <fdoving> it needs to be in main to be usefull.. so it'll need a few +1s
[10:48] <\sh> and a nice main inclusion report ,-)
[10:49] <fdoving> yeah, i'll let others to that, i have it, if others want it get it :)
[11:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: thanks for kdepim fix
[11:16] <Lure> we just need somebody to give back kdegraphics now...
[11:20] <Hobbsee> for the libpoppler thing?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Lure: ^
[11:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep
[11:20] <Lure> Hobbsee: when do you have it?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> havent made a time
[11:22] <\sh> Hobbsee, for main yay
[11:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes....
[11:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:23] <Hobbsee> people already have it
[11:23] <Hobbsee> er, have been
[11:24] <Hobbsee> :(
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: I recall something was changed with dbus session bus
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: strigidaemon does not sturt anymore on gutsy
[11:24] <Lure> Riddell: Connection Error (Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session)
[11:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: you will be fine - there are not that scary afterall
[11:27] <Hobbsee> rubbish.
[11:28] <\sh> Hobbsee, mdz and the others are cool...you showed already, that you are ready for main...
[11:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: they're scary important people :P
[11:37] <\sh> Hobbsee, well, they're cool...and they are not so important like the community behind it, just because, without the community, such a project like ubuntu won't succeed...
[11:38] <Hobbsee> true
[11:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: of course, going for core dev doesnt help with that.
[11:41] <\sh> low profiles are for fraidy-cats ;)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> \sh: no, low profiles are good when there's lots of talk of harassment.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> but yes, i'm a bit of a fraidy-cat for not liking being harassed :P
[11:42] <Hobbsee> you would ahve thought i'd seen it all now, being a part of the tech world.
[11:42] <\sh> Hobbsee, how is doing that, (forget me ;))
[11:43] <Hobbsee> \sh: s/how/who/ ?
[11:43] <\sh> yeah
[11:43] <Hobbsee> there's lots of stuff on planet, or was a week or so ago, and there's still lots on sounder
[11:43] <Hobbsee> + a launchpad users thread
[11:44] <Hobbsee> melissa wrote an open letter to the ubuntu community
[11:45] <Hobbsee> about it all
[11:45] <Hobbsee> there have been various responses
[11:46] <Hobbsee> and work is worse, with one of the guys coming back to our department
[11:59] <mhb> I hope at least the developers have some sense, Hobbsee (regarding the open letter and all)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> mhb: most of them do.  excluding quinn.
[12:01] <mhb> Hobbsee: haven't heard of him/her
[12:02] <Hobbsee> beryl lead.
[12:03] <fdoving> let's all get sex-neutral nick and names. or let's just pick numbers.
[12:05] <\sh> 666 the number of the beast ;)
[12:05] <fdoving> that's reserved :)
[12:06] <Hobbsee> fdoving: heh.  why do you think i used Hobbsee exclusively while getting into all of this?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i only started using my real name a bit when i realised that i was likely to get sponsored to a UDS - so would need it to be known.
[12:07] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i remember it :)
[12:07] <Hobbsee> as in, that i couldnt hide forever
[12:08] <Hobbsee> that being said - i introduced myself as hobbsee, or reintroduced myself as hobbsee, msot of the time - except to the distro team, etc, and the closer ubuntu people, who know who i was.
[12:10] <fdoving> it's a shame that sex should impact anything in any way.
[12:11] <Hobbsee> this is true
[12:12] <Hobbsee> to be fair, though - ubuntu is fairly minor compared to other tech groups.
[12:12] <mhb> well, I'm happy that people are different
[12:12] <Hobbsee> they dont stop you from participating, just due to gender
[12:14] <mhb> fdoving: do you think it's bad when people like me are happy that there are females interested in Kubuntu community?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> mhb: no
[12:14] <fdoving> mhb: not at all, i'm happy with everyone interessted in kubuntu community.
[12:16] <mhb> fdoving: so I think it's not a shame when we support minorities like females, even though it kind of fits into your "sex-impacting" scenario
[12:16] <fdoving> mhb: i don't really care if they are women or men. they are persons to me.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> fdoving: "names on a screen"
[12:17] <mhb> the minute you write a sentence you stop being a name on a screen to me
[12:17] <fdoving> mhb: well, you're spot on here, i'm not for giving women advantages over men, just to have them around. no.
[12:18] <fdoving> what matters is knowledge/skills. the "criterias" should be the same for everyone.
[12:20] <\sh> mhb, women are not a minority...that's a men's myth
[12:20] <mhb> \sh: in this channel?
[12:20] <\sh> mhb, in general
[12:21] <\sh> and in here I just see kubuntu devs, community members
[12:21] <mhb> you see names, I see people - the difference
[12:22] <Hobbsee> but then again, i'm bad at names
[12:22] <Hobbsee> especially when people dont tell me who they are, nor wear nametags.  *grumble*
[12:23] <\sh> mhb, no...some of those "names" I know in person....but even then, riddell is just a kubuntu dev...I don't care if riddell is male or female...
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hi toma
[12:23] <\sh> the same applies to everyone else
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii!  how's the green going?
[12:24] <toma> hi all, hi Hobbsee
[12:24] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[12:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: your words were added to my term,b tw.
[12:24] <kwwii> still trying to find the right pink to match the green
[12:24] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahh.  show what you've got?
[12:25] <\sh> kwwii, moins, are you now at linuxtag?
[12:25] <kwwii> \sh: nope, couldn't make it after all
[12:25] <kwwii> I found someone else to take my place
[12:25] <\sh> kwwii, ok...who is it? :)
[12:25] <kwwii> sebas
[12:26] <\sh> kwwii, oh this crazy dutch guy ... ;)
[12:26] <kwwii> lol, exactly :p
[12:26] <\sh> this will be a hard week for me...
[12:26] <\sh> drinking and more drinking...
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hah.  poor you.
[12:27] <kwwii> I'll be in italy in a few days and the week after that I'll be in california so my wife wouldn't let me go ;-)
[12:27] <\sh> hope I won't start to dance with sebas again, like the last time during froscon
[12:27] <Hobbsee> kwwii: just bring her
[12:27] <kwwii> Hobbsee: she refuses to go to any linux related events
[12:27] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:27] <\sh> kwwii, which is quite good...someone has to stay focused on the real life ;)
[12:28] <kwwii> just last night she told me "I am really proud of what you do, although I really don't understand what that is"
[12:28] <\sh> kwwii, but when you are on a journey, you could give her this as a present...I just ordered one from UK for my GF (http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/335-Apple-is-not-amused,-but-you-should-be,-when-you-use-it.html)
[12:29] <kwwii> hehe, yeah I saw that one
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ....
[12:29] <mhb> provocative
[12:31] <\sh> Hobbsee, I just had a phone call with her, she told me: "You fcking b*st*rd" with some noises which sounds like breaking the laptop
[12:31] <Hobbsee> hah.
[12:31] <Hobbsee> perhaps she wasnt impressed, then.
[12:32] <\sh> nobody understands a joke :(
[12:32] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if that classes as one of the "guy jokes"
[12:32] <mhb> I expect more people to misunderstand it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> grouped with the toilet jokes, etc.
[12:33] <\sh> Hobbsee, tbh, when I read this on golem.de I was laughing like hell, just because this idea has to come from the british people
[12:33] <Hobbsee> which go down fine in small male groups, usually with alcohol, but not so great with the general population.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> heh.  true.  but still
[12:33] <\sh> Hobbsee, and it's finest black humor...
[12:34] <mhb> you'll get more complaints because of the "gender-tense" mood around planet
[12:34] <Hobbsee> this is true.  but still.
[12:36] <fdoving> why? anyone can use one of those.
[12:37] <fdoving> i get your point, but you can't be that sensitive to things you read.
[12:37] <\sh> I'm wondering, normally I would have several comments from niminy-piminiy US people, that I should be in Guantanamo or whereever...but today, nothing...I wonder why
[12:37] <fdoving> \sh: they have probably scrambeled some CIA assasin squad to go get you.
[12:38] <\sh> HOPEFULLY
[12:38] <\sh> I would be arrested anyways when I enter the US
[12:39] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm not that sensitive.  i'm thinking of the otehr people in the ubuntu community who are
[12:40] <fdoving> Hobbsee: well.. some magic with dansguardian could probably block *gasm* and *sex* from anything one reads. I mean, any news source on the internet writes things like that and similar every day.
[12:41] <\sh> Hobbsee, the problem is more, that they think they have to be sensitive, just because they aren't in their real life...I'll tell you, most of those people who commented on my entry the last time, they are in real life the biggest machos ever...believe me
[12:42] <Hobbsee> of course, it's an interesting question whether we're only supposed to syndicate tech-type links to planet - or everything
[12:42] <\sh> and most people have those toys already in their sleeping room , and bullying during their working time...
[12:43] <\sh> anyways...I need a shower, and then I'll go out and have some fun with a couple of colleagues from work (both genders)
[12:43] <\sh> bbl
[12:44] <fdoving> see you.
[12:47] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i guess the goal must be to limit such things in the community, to make it possible for everyone to contribute without beeing hit in the face by things they try to avoid.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that sounds about right
[02:22] <fdoving> Hobbsee: good thing we agree on that. back to the umount issue, did you manage to make it work? - i'm upgrading a virtual machine to gutsy. takes some time, since it's edgy, need to go all the way.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> fdoving: no i didnt really loko into it
[02:23] <fdoving> ok.
[02:23] <fdoving> i'll upgrade and see what happens.
[02:24] <fdoving> i'd really like your feedback on the new safely remove progress dialog though.
[02:24] <fdoving> the kio-umountwrapper one.
[02:24] <Hobbsee> looks nice :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> shiny
[02:24] <fdoving> thanks, glad you like it. :)
[02:49] <mhb> fdoving: a new look of the umountwrapper?
[02:50] <fdoving> mhb: yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946/comments/65
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Fix released]
[03:01] <ryanakca> Lure: so that kmilo works?
[03:02] <Lure> ryanakca: yes, I have your package on gutsy
[03:02] <Lure> ryanakca: did not play configuring it, but it looks nicer already as it is smaller
[03:02] <ryanakca> cool
[03:02] <ryanakca> ah
[03:02] <ryanakca> all the bettor
[03:02] <ryanakca> s/bettor/better
[03:03] <ryanakca> should I poke Hobbsee and/or Riddell to look at it for main, or wait till the meeting?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> what's this now?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> (yet)
[03:03] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://packages.ryanak.ca/pool/ryan-gutsy/kmilo/kmilo_3.5.7-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[03:04] <ryanakca> brb, dog
[03:05] <marseillai> Hobbsee: would you have time to take a look at this : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5286 ???
[03:05] <mhb> and the gossip spreads
[03:05] <Hobbsee> mhb: which gossip?
[03:07] <fdoving> ryanakca: is that the little gray one?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> marseillai: what is it?
[03:07] <marseillai> a tv program grabber
[03:07] <marseillai> it use xmltv
[03:07] <Hobbsee> oh, someone distributing the debian direcotry inside the source, presumably
[03:07] <marseillai> to show tv program
[03:08] <marseillai> yes
[03:08] <mhb> Hobbsee: the one with you having main privs :o)
[03:08] <marseillai> and i've got a lintian error i don't understand
[03:08] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahh.  i dont.  i still have to meet with the tech board.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and they scare me :P
[03:08] <ryanakca> lol
[03:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: it's a patched kmilo that is more compact and that can be skinned
[03:09] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[03:10] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: Jucato put it on the agenda, http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[03:10] <ryanakca> fdoving: I believe it is
[03:11] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> i heard rumours, but didnt follow it up
[03:11] <fdoving> ryanakca: i prefer this one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=56287&file1=56287-1.png&file2=56287-2.jpg&file3=56287-3.png&name=KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin
[03:11] <Lure> ryanakca: prepare debdiff for review and send it to kubuntu core-dev (Riddell, Tonio_, imbrandon, \sh and soon Hobsee)
[03:12] <ryanakca> fdoving: I believe that they are all the same, just themed differently
[03:12] <Lure> Hobbsee even ;-)
[03:12] <fdoving> ryanakca: yep, can be changed in kmilodrc
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh
[03:12] <mhb> we don't have to have it themable, just improved
[03:13] <ryanakca> Lure: okies. debdiff = `debdiff foor-1.diff.gz foo-2.diff.gz > debdiff-foo-1-foo-2`               ?
[03:13] <mhb> so I think we could wait with diffs&packaging on after the meeting
[03:14] <Lure> ryanakca: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[03:14] <ryanakca> ah
[03:14] <Lure> ryanakca: then review that it only contains what you think it should ;-)
[03:14] <ryanakca> mhb: so I'll add a link to the debdiff and package in the meeting agenda?
[03:15] <mhb> ryanakca: well I expected some changes on that patch before we include it
[03:15] <mhb> ryanakca: such as kwwii reviewing the look
[03:16] <ryanakca> mhb: the look is set in kmilodrc in k-d-s
[03:16] <ryanakca> but, okies
[03:16] <mhb> ryanakca: the current one?
[03:16] <mhb> ryanakca: or the future one?
[03:17] <mhb> ryanakca: well, it seems you want to get in the "themable" patch
[03:17] <ryanakca> the one I packaged.
[03:17] <ryanakca> lol
[03:18] <mhb> ryanakca: isn't there a "hardcoded new theme" patch and a "customizable" patch?
[03:18] <ryanakca> well, it's not /that/ big of a thing. It took me a whole 10 minutes to set up :)
[03:19] <mhb> ryanakca: I think it's better to have a "hardcoded theme" rather than "totally customizable theme"
[03:19] <fdoving> why?
[03:19] <mhb> fdoving: performance?
[03:19] <fdoving> customizable through kmilodrc doesn't make it that slow.
[03:19] <ryanakca> mhb: yes, the customizable patch is a dependency of the two other patches. http://downloads.guillermoamaral.com/linux/kde/kmilo/howto
[03:20] <fdoving> we're not on 80806 here anymore.
[03:20] <fdoving> -0
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: well
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: maybe you aren't :o) but fun aside, I don't see a reason why this particular thing should be themable
[03:20] <mhb> fdoving: it adapts to the widget style
[03:21] <fdoving> then just don't set anything in the kmilodrc, it'll stick to the defaults.
[03:21] <mhb> fdoving: you may be right, of course. But I'd like to see that decision made at the meeting.
[03:21] <ryanakca> kmilodrc is a grand total of 5 lines. It isn't a great big config file like apache... and wouldn't it get stored in the swap/ram once it's run, instead of checking all the time
[03:21] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:22] <ryanakca> I agree on that point
[03:22] <fdoving> i consider that as wasted meeting-time.
[03:22] <fdoving> but that's me.
[03:22] <ryanakca> mhb: but, even if it doesn't get themed, at least it's more compact and cleaner looking
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: sure, I agree with having one of the patches in
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: I like the "clean" style you posted a link to
[03:24] <ryanakca> Lure: ummm. Is there a reason why the debdiff only contains my changelog entry?
[03:24] <mhb> fdoving: you don't have to be there :o)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> how's 30 may, 1300 UTC?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> for a kubuntu meeting?
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: this is when that groupware server would come in handy :)
[03:25] <Lure> ryanakca: how did you apply the change? as patch?
[03:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm not there, but, ohwell
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no idea how long it will last, or go itno school early
[03:26] <fdoving> Hobbsee: anything before 1600 utc is impossible for me. but i'm not important :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> fdoving: ahhh.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Lure: yes, I ran cdbs-edit-patch, wgetted the two patches, checked them, applied them, deleted the downloaded patch files and exited the patch system/editor
[03:27] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: go into school early? hmmm. Kinda right smack in the middle of Science :/
[03:27] <Hobbsee> actually, 30 may, 2100 UTC should work better
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i should actually wake up by that oint
[03:27] <Lure> ryanakca: are you sure that you are debdiffing old version (original from repo)?
[03:27] <fdoving> Hobbsee: perfect for me.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> although i will have been at work the previous night...
[03:27] <Lure> ryanakca: it sound like you have first build old one without change log, then added changelog
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh, a whole lot of assignments shoudl be due by then, so...
[03:28] <marseillai> what should the name of an app wich is in beta version. i've set KGmailNotifier_0.3.0.b2.orig.tar.gz am i right ?
[03:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: CET evening is better for me
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: i dont do CET.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Lure: convert or die.  :P
[03:28] <Lure> Hobbsee: UTC+2
[03:29] <ryanakca> Lure: aha! yes, now i remember, I had forgotten to add a changelog entry before running debuild
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: right, so the time set is better for you.
[03:29] <Lure> ryanakca: remove old .dsc/gz and apt-get source again
[03:29] <Lure> Hobbsee: yep, during the day I have to work ;-) and late in the evening kids are sleeping ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:34] <marseillai> :(
[03:34] <marseillai> dh_make don't find the source package
[03:35] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: good meeting time... ish. I'll only be there for half an hour, 45-min, but, oh well
[03:35] <Hobbsee> right, OK
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hopefully it'll only be on for that long, anwyay
[03:35] <ryanakca> Anybody can bring up my meeting points if I'm not there
[04:24] <apachelogger> lol, can't apply for membership since I'll be promoting Kubuntu and Amarok in Berlin at the time of meeting
[04:24] <apachelogger> totally paradoxical
[04:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:25] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: that particular time, too?  or just that day?
[04:26] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: well, I don't think I'll get a internet connection in berlin @ 21 UTC
[04:27] <apachelogger> considering that's 23 o'clock locale time I think
[04:27] <toma> Hobbsee, Riddell: will we discuss the kubuntu council members?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ahhh
[04:27] <Hobbsee> toma: that would be the plan.  allee's not here, but he agreed to it at UDS
[04:47] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[04:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, :)
[04:59] <Riddell> toma: yes
[04:59] <Riddell> ah, we have a meeting, groovy
[04:59] <Hobbsee> evening Riddell
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i've finally gotten around to actually doing something
[05:05] <fdoving> Riddell: updated kio-apt for gutsy - http://frode.kde.no/misc/kio-apt-gutsy/
[05:20] <marseillai> Riddell: did you had time to look at kdenetwork with kopete-emoticons-manager?
[05:22] <Riddell> marseillai: not yet I'm afraid
[05:23] <marseillai> no problem
[05:23] <marseillai> just that i'm a bit impatient to know if i can think that now i'm "real" kubuntu contributor with my first main contribution. :)
[05:24] <Riddell> top of my todo now
[05:24] <Riddell> but might be tuesday before I get to it
[05:25] <marseillai> oki
[05:25] <fdoving> contributions to universe are real :)
[05:25] <marseillai> fdoving: yes of course
[05:26] <marseillai> and everyone here if you have some little work for me i take it...
[05:28] <Riddell> marseillai: merge any kde package http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html   http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[05:28] <marseillai> Riddell: what do you mean by "merge" ?
[05:29] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging
[05:29] <marseillai> thanks
[05:29] <Riddell> k3b if you want to do something big and complex
[05:29] <Riddell> but maybe pick a small universe package to start
[05:29] <marseillai> yes
[05:30] <marseillai> i'll start little to learn what to do :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bye Riddell!
[05:36] <nixternal> Hobbsee: bad news
[05:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hm?
[05:36] <nixternal> at 2100 on the 30th, Xubuntu will be using #ubuntu-meeting
[05:36] <nixternal> if you need the 30th, you can do 18:00-20:00 or 22:00-0:00
[05:37] <Hobbsee> bloody timezones.
[05:37] <nixternal> hehe
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i'd thought i subtracted the day correctly
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mmm...dammit.
[05:38] <nixternal> hehe, you want to bump it a day or 2 and keep the same time?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> um....yeah.
[05:38] <Hobbsee> bump it to the 31st?
[05:38] <nixternal> sure
[05:38] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:40] <fdoving> still 2100 UTC.. good.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:40] <imbrandon> kdeaddons can be sync'd
[05:40] <nixternal> done
[05:41] <Hobbsee> thanks
[05:41] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, wanna file it in LP ? ( they adopted our changes but did so in a diffrent order in the file, thus the merge report )
[05:43] <imbrandon> kdeaddons 4:3.5.7-2
[05:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not overly, can you do it?
[05:43] <imbrandon> sure
[05:45] <Hobbsee> thanks'''
[05:45] <Hobbsee> besides, if i did it, depending on who was doing the archive run, they may want a sponsor :P
[05:45] <imbrandon> ahh you havent got your wings officialy yet ?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:45] <Hobbsee> TB want to meet up with me
[05:46] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[05:46] <Hobbsee> not cool.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> they probably want to grill me.
[05:46] <imbrandon> yes yes, we all got the grilling ;)
[05:46] <imbrandon> you'll do fine
[05:48] <nixternal> you know what...Google can go to hell
[05:49] <imbrandon> anyone else notice today dell put a big ubuntu banner on the main page, not just www.dell.com/ubuntu
[05:51] <nixternal> it isn't a Kubuntu logo, so I don't Kare ;)
[05:51] <nixternal> haha
[05:51] <fdoving> nixternal: it's a great calculator: http://www.google.com/search?q=2%2B2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 :)
[05:51] <jjesse> tafternoon
[05:51] <nixternal> fdoving: Katapult is a great calculator :)
[05:51] <jjesse> ok so its still morning :)
[05:52] <fdoving> nixternal: that's not a cluster of thousands of linux machines :)
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee, LaserJock, Brandon, and others have been marked spammers by Google
[05:52] <ryanakca> @.@
[05:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh?
[05:52] <fdoving> nixternal: probably true.
[05:52] <nixternal> mornin' jjesse
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, I am going through the spam thing and there are a ton of mailing list and bug emails that are marked spam by google
[05:52] <Hobbsee> fun.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> i wonder how that happened
[05:53] <Hobbsee> gmail's filtering sucks, though.  it's gotten worse
[05:53] <nixternal> then I can use my ubuntu.com email to send email to my wife as ubuntu.com is black listed
[05:53] <nixternal> I need to get off of gmail
[05:53] <fdoving> my sister insists on using hotmail, mail from me is always tagged as spam, whatever i do. hotmail rocks too.
[05:53] <nixternal> I could go with comcast or my dreamhost setup
[05:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:54] <toma> complaining about free (as in beer) things ?
[05:54] <marseillai> Hobbsee: for merging i must choose an apps form Outstanding Merges or from Updated Merges! i'm not sur but i think it's from Outstanding Merges because Updated Merges are allready done. i'm right ?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> marseillai: they have been done, butthen debian has updated afterwards
[05:54] <Hobbsee> so do either
[05:54] <marseillai> oki
[05:54] <nixternal> anyone know what I would have to do in order to get the admins to switch my forward email address to?
[05:54] <nixternal> ya, I have no idea what I just said
[05:54] <fdoving> nixternal: change your preferred email in launchpad?
[05:55] <nixternal> my preferred email is @ubuntu.com
[05:55] <nixternal> I can email an admin and find out
[05:55] <fdoving> nixternal: oh, then you'll probably have to talk to one of them..
[05:55] <nixternal> ya..hrmm, if I go with my dreamhost account I can use IMAP
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that breaks things.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: just put in your new preferred address, and it eventually updates
[05:56] <nixternal> ahh
[05:56] <nixternal> I will give it a try
[05:56] <jjesse> won't it update your @ubuntu.com address then to the new preferred address?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> er....that's the poitn?
[05:57] <fdoving> nixternal: there is also kdemail.net for kde people like you.
[05:57] <nixternal> orly
[05:59] <ryanakca> I don't think changing the preferred address in lp updates your @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org one...  [Bug 110111]  Ubuntu needs Cialis
[06:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110111 in sane-backends "snapscan e25 doesn"t work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110111
[06:04] <fdoving> i use MailScanner with spamassassin and everything, it's quite good.
[06:04] <nixternal> I hardly get spam to my inbox as Google does catch over 90% of it
[06:05] <nixternal> but Google has been blocking Ubuntu and KDE stuff
[06:07] <fdoving> bad google.
[06:07] <fdoving> bbl, dinner.
[06:07] <nixternal> haha, I interviewed for this job in Mexico, they do Internet Marketing, big place, and now I am getting a ton of "Hola Nixternal!" emails
[06:07] <nixternal> hehe
[06:08] <nixternal> I think the place I interviewed sold my info
[06:08] <Hobbsee> ugh L(
[06:09] <marseillai> what means this : "grep ^diff debian.debdiff" ? what are we looking for ?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> diff on a new line, in debian.debdiff
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ie, diff -urN..... that they give
[06:10] <marseillai> oki
[06:10] <marseillai> thanks
[06:17] <marseillai> in this tuto https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/Merging this is not an error : xcdroast (0.98+0alpha15-3'''ubuntu1''') dapper; urgency=low ??? the ''' should not be there isn't it ???
[06:19] <apachelogger> hm
[06:19] <apachelogger> how gets config.guess.cdbs-orig created?
[06:21] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: what do you use now?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: for?...
[06:22] <ryanakca> email, since you switched away from google
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh
[06:23] <Hobbsee> fastmail.fm
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it's imap based, which is a great help
[06:23] <fdoving> apachelogger: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/buildcore.mk line 119
[06:25] <apachelogger> fdoving: thx
[06:44] <toma> \sh_away: thanks for pointing me at otp. Works nicely.
[06:49] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i've make debdiff kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc > ubuntu.debdiff to merge kftpgrabber but the debdiff does 103000 lines! is it normal? or i've done something wrong ?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> marseillai: check what's in it
[06:50] <Hobbsee> it may be translations
[06:50] <marseillai> oki
[06:50] <marseillai> kwrite doesn't like it
[06:50] <marseillai> :)
[06:50] <marseillai> it lag
[06:52] <marseillai> Hobbsee: i really don't understand it looks like it's not the same source files ....
[06:53] <Hobbsee> the debdiff will include everything - not just the debian directory
[06:54] <marseillai> Hobbsee: but if kftpgrabber_0.8.0-0ubuntu1.dsc is based on kftpgrabber_0.8.0~beta2-1.dsc there should not be any change in source directory ?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> is 0.8.0 actually released?
[06:54] <toma> nite
[06:54] <Hobbsee> night!
[06:55] <fdoving> nite.
[07:01] <marseillai> arf
[07:01] <marseillai> fdoving: i was looking to merge kftpgrabber
[07:01] <marseillai> but it seems it is not based on any debian version
[07:02] <marseillai> so what should i do ?
[07:03] <fdoving> get the debian version and upgrade it if needed.
[07:09] <marseillai> oki
[07:16] <marseillai> fdoving: there is nothing in kftpgrabber from kubuntu wich is not in debian's one
[07:16] <marseillai> so what i've to do ?
[07:16] <fdoving> marseillai: request a sync from debian.
[07:16] <marseillai> on LP ?
[07:17] <Riddell> marseillai: file a bug on the package asking for a sync and saying why it's ok to overwrite any changes in ubuntu
[07:18] <Riddell> then get it confirmed by a core-dev or motu as appropriate and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[07:18] <marseillai> oki
[07:18] <marseillai> suscribe ubuntu-archive ?
[07:18] <Riddell> also say what version you want imported from debian and what debian repository (unstable usually)
[07:25] <Riddell> yes
[07:25] <Riddell> "Subscribe someone else" -> ubuntu-archive
[07:36] <Riddell> subscribe someone else after reporting it
[07:46] <nixternal> Linux car just crashed at the Indy 500
[07:46] <nixternal> like anyone really cares :)
[07:46] <toma> nixternal: panos = linux ?
[07:47] <nixternal> #77, which is a Panos I believe
[07:47] <nixternal> Panos or Panoz?
[07:47] <toma> i dont know, i just write what the commentators say ;-)
[07:47] <nixternal> hehe
[07:47] <toma> but what's the linux part?
[07:48] <giangy> only a tux logo
[07:48] <toma> ah
[07:48] <nixternal> a couple of them...I was surprised to see like 4 of them on the car
[07:49] <toma> i missed that
[07:49] <toma> i'll settle for the pace car btw
[08:05] <nixternal> hehe
[08:05] <nixternal> mmm coffee
[08:18] <ryanakca> I changed my GPG passphrase, and I wrote it down on a cue card about an hour ago, but I can't seem to use my key!
[08:18] <ryanakca> hmmmm
[08:21] <ryanakca> well, I found a typo in kgpg...
[08:23] <Lure> marseillai: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[08:24] <marseillai> Lure: it's not well done ?
[08:25] <Lure> marseillai: I was off irc for 40 minutes, so I am still reffering to your old post
[08:26] <marseillai> Lure: oki! but now i've post this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kftpgrabber/+bug/117230 and will wait for tonio to check this
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117230 in kftpgrabber "[sync]  sync kftpgrabber from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[08:26] <ryanakca> wait! weee! I have a backup of my .gnupg!
[09:43] <mhb> yay, polyester is going to be developed on Launchpad
[09:59] <ryanakca> mhb: cooel
[11:06] <jjesse> evening
[11:08] <DaSkreech> hi jjesse
[11:08] <DaSkreech> how goes?
[11:08] <jjesse> hello DaSkreech
[11:08] <jjesse> going well i guess
[11:08] <DaSkreech> great :)
[11:08] <jjesse> DaSkreech: quick question, if i connect a usb drive formated in ntfs i'm prompted to open it in a new window, if i do so nothing happens...
[11:09] <fdoving> yeah, that sucks.
[11:09] <fdoving> pmount lacks support for ntfs-3g, so it won't work with that driver.
[11:09] <fdoving> with the good old read only ntfs drvier it should work though.
[11:10] <fdoving> .. given there is no fstab entry for the device.
[11:10] <jjesse> so how would i go about mounting the drive so i could reformat it?
[11:10] <fdoving> mount the drive to copy stuff from it, before formatting?
[11:10] <jjesse> do i have to mount the drive to format it?
[11:10] <jjesse> its a brand new usb drive
[11:10] <fdoving> no, you should not mount before formatting.
[11:11] <jjesse> ok
[11:11] <jjesse> i know this sisn't #kubuntu so thanks for the help
[11:11] <fdoving> you format first, then you mount the result from the formatting.
[11:11] <jjesse> oh ok
[11:11] <fdoving> gparted is nice for formatting and things.
[11:12] <fdoving> qtparted exists too, but i always recommend gparted as it's more mature.
[11:12] <jjesse> there is very liltte that is more boring then rain delayed racing
[11:15] <fdoving> hah.. yeah,  like waiting for the girls to finish shopping at the shopping centres..
[11:15] <jjesse> grin exactly
[11:15] <jjesse> indy 500 on red flag
[11:16] <fdoving> i have no idea what you are talking about. is it sports?
[11:16] <fdoving> indy 500, is that the tuxcar race?
[11:16] <jjesse> yeah the tux car is in it
[11:17] <jjesse> don't remember where it is currently placed at
[11:19] <DaSkreech> jjesse: you can format as long as you have a /dev device file
[11:19] <jjesse> DaSkreech: thanks
[11:19] <jjesse> fdoving: all set w/ gparted
[11:21] <fdoving> did you manage to format it nicely?
[11:22] <DaSkreech> Is Qtparted maintained?
[11:22] <fdoving> no idea.
[11:32] <fdoving> looks like not.
[11:32] <fdoving> qtparted.sf.net
[11:32] <marseillai_> since times now
[11:34] <DaSkreech> Sooo should we have it in Kubuntu?
[11:34] <DaSkreech> or should we push to get a maintainer?
[11:34] <marseillai_> if you know an alternative to qtparted ....
[11:34] <marseillai_> i think mandriva have their own patch to it
[11:35] <marseillai_> does kubuntu installer still use qtparted ?
[11:43] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure actually
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Could just be a simple front end to parted
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Though qtparted is on the live Cd IIRC
[11:59] <marseillai_> DaSkreech: i think it use qtparted and it may be the reason i still use alternate cd
[12:03] <DaSkreech> marseillai_: Well I hardly do any custom partitioning and when I do I don't use the installer to do it
[12:03] <DaSkreech>  having said that I
[12:03] <DaSkreech> 've never had a problem with the installer
[12:07] <marseillai_> apacheLAGger: i've just read your blog! and perhaps you should look here : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5304
[12:07] <marseillai_> i'm allready working on maxemumtvguide
[12:16] <DaSkreech> hi imbrandon
[12:19] <imbrandon> ello DaSkreech
[12:19] <DaSkreech> haven't seen you in a bit I think...
[12:20] <imbrandon> i'm arround , i just reconnected


[05:55] <emilsoman> Hi there , are we using a library to connect the blocks in the juju gui ?
[11:31] <bac> hi goodspud, any progress with your setup?
[11:33] <goodspud> Morning bac. Not yet. I'm in meetings for most of the morning but i'll catch up with Evan soon. Tried the commands again this morning but still receiving errors.
[11:33] <goodspud> Fixed the VMWare issue though
[11:35] <bac> goodspud: you may need to blow away your apt cache and try again.  someone in blue fin is best to help, still.
[13:14] <gary_poster> teknico, I'm making notes as to what I see about holidays, both so that I can keep track of what I see and so that you can confirm my understanding once I've finished digging.  So...
[13:15] <gary_poster> you have an unaccepted request for a half day on Dec 14...
[13:15] <gary_poster> and another for Dec 21...
[13:15] <gary_poster> (half day again)
[13:15] <teknico> gary_poster, yes, as mentioned in an email I sent you, those two requests are mistaken, can you please cancel them?
[13:16] <teknico> sorry for the bother
[13:16] <gary_poster> teknico, I was confused because in the email you said that you filed them "a while ago."  That sounded like some previous day, while I just got the notifications today.  those are the two you meant?
[13:17] <teknico> I'll probably request them again when dates and times are slightly firmer :-)
[13:17] <gary_poster> :-) ok
[13:17] <teknico> oh no, I just meant "a couple of hours ago", sorry
[13:17] <gary_poster> ok cool
[13:17] <teknico> yes, those two
[13:18] <gary_poster> teknico, confirmation: I just rejected those two.  you're all set
[13:21] <teknico> gary_poster, great, thanks again
[13:48] <frankban_> morning gary_poster: just filed a leave (the last one left this year) for next Monday
[13:49] <gary_poster> afternoon frankban.  Cool, approved.  thanks for the heads up
[14:10] <hazmat> random but fun http://www.fullstackoptimization.com/box2d-jquery/
[14:17] <bac> https://juju.ubuntu.com/get-started/  -- under a 90 minute video is the text "Using Juju is easy!" .  mixed message.
[14:29] <frankban> hazmat: it reminded me of google gravity: http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/google-gravity/
[14:40] <hazmat> frankban, neat
[14:41] <hazmat> ah there both box 2d
[14:54] <teknico> that stuff's a riot :-D
[15:10] <teknico> ok, I'm getting close to the 800 hundred lines diff limit, I might as well stop there for now :-)
[15:11] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:18] <teknico> gary_poster, I shamelessly "borrowed" some text from your blog post :-)
[15:18] <gary_poster> teknico, excellent, glad it could be put to use :-)
[15:20] <teknico> who wants to live forev... ehm, who wants to review some docs? ;-)
[15:22] <gary_poster> teknico, :-) I think you might have another doc opportunity in your future: I thought the intent was to change the charm, not the GUI.  what you did was excellent too though
[15:22] <gary_poster> welcome back frankban, btw.  did you have a nice few days off?
[15:24] <gary_poster> hazmat in particular, but everyone also, I'd appreciate a review of https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1YPZ511DQLJV7xWsWh7rp_dvz-8bSHnPBXHLNYcyJ8bI/edit# before I send it to the design team
[15:24] <frankban> gary_poster: yes thanks, spent the whole morning reading emails and docs
[15:25] <gary_poster> heh, frankban, was that a relaxing way to return, or overwhelming? :-)
[15:25] <frankban> gary_poster: well, kind of relaxing ;-)
[15:26] <teknico> gary_poster, oh gosh, "the *charm* README.txt" :-o
[15:26] <teknico> I cannot read anymore :-/
[15:28] <gary_poster> teknico, :-) make another bug for what you did, and revise history
[15:28] <hazmat> standup time?
[15:28] <hazmat> gary_poster, looking
[15:28] <teknico> gary_poster, "revise history"?
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban goodspud hazmat jovan2 Makyo teknico call in 2
[15:29] <gary_poster> teknico, the branch was for a different task than the given bug/card.  revise history so that it all makes sense, connecting the branch to the proper bug or redefining the bug ors something
[15:30] <teknico> gary_poster, ok, sorry for ruining your attempt at conciseness :-)
[15:30] <gary_poster> :-) np
[15:48] <hazmat> gary_poster, looks good, comments in.
[15:49] <gary_poster> awesome, thanks hazmat
[15:50] <gary_poster> benji, I was about to reply with "yes"
[15:50] <benji> :)
[15:50] <benji> I guess I should do the proper way of commenting on a paper: read it through once and then go back to comment
[15:53] <gary_poster> goodspud, I sent doc link to you and Alejandra
[15:54] <goodspud> gary_poster - cheers!
[15:54] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:05] <teknico> "Multiple users can simultaneously move different services within the same shared Juju environment." then we only need collision detection and, presto! it's a multiplayer game. ;-)
[16:07] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:08] <benji> heh
[16:21] <gary_poster> If we do that, I want a force-feedback mouse
[17:51] <goodspud> bac, I've managed to get to the same place we where at yesterday - no errors
[17:51] <bac> goodspud: excellent
[17:52] <bac> goodspud: want to do a hangout?
[17:52] <goodspud> bac, yep
[17:53] <goodspud> bac - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1dffb708bdf85ebb00839f55669013ea68b8a641?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:45] <bac> goodspud now can run the server on his vm and is a bzr expert!
[18:46] <goodspud> Full credit to bac for going through that process
[19:34] <gary_poster> Makyo, would it be conceivably helpful for me to join you for a bit?  My next task is in about an hour
[19:35] <Makyo> gary_poster, Sure, that'd be fine.
[19:36] <gary_poster> cool
[19:36] <gary_poster> make a hangout (or juju-ui) when you are ready Makyo
[19:38] <Makyo> gary_poster, Now's fine, juju-ui's open.
[20:19] <benji> one unfortunate side effect of the recent URL change is that I can no longer copy the last bit of a URL (e.g., "app/views/foo.js") and open it directly in my editor.
[20:26]  * bac bbiab
[21:12] <bac> b


[00:15] <Zardozo> Got a jack problem that i had before but o forget the commands to fix it. i changed the sample rate in qjack  and now i get dbus error and jack not starting
[00:16] <Zardozo>  running studio 12.04 64bit
[00:17] <Zardozo> should have a script out og those commands
[00:17] <Zardozo> jack worked great till i fucked with it again
[00:24] <Zardozo> http://pastebin.com/DzGu1VE8
[00:54] <Zardozo> slow night
[01:04] <XRS1> there is also #jack
[02:12] <Zardozo> cool
[03:03] <IndigentToad_> Anyone have problems with xruns after installing a USB hub?
[03:08] <holstein> IndigentToad_: if the irq's are configured in a way where that could promote some conflicts
[03:08] <holstein> i used to just get jack crashing with a touchpad... and once with a certain usb port
[03:09] <IndigentToad_> how do I check the irq's in terminal?
[03:09] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[03:09] <holstein> i wouldnt have my audio interface on a USB hub
[03:10] <IndigentToad_> oh heavens no....the midi usb synth and interface are on native ports. just using the hub for aux devices (external HD, wireless mouse, printer)
[03:11] <IndigentToad_> ok, now how do I know if there's a conflict?
[03:13] <IndigentToad_> http://pastebin.com/e9PSShLD
[03:13] <holstein> IndigentToad_: you'll see them listed.. but, if you remove the device and there are no issues, then you know its the problem
[03:16] <IndigentToad_> My hope was to figure out how to eliminate the conflicts. Issue is I'm using a laptop with dual book (US 12.4 and Vista) so I'm kinda limited on HD space. The hub is nice because I have a .5 TB external HD and I can save all my projects on it
[03:16] <IndigentToad_> dual boot...
[03:17] <IndigentToad_> my bad
[03:17] <holstein> busy for a bit... back in a few
[03:18] <IndigentToad_> kewl. thanks
[04:06] <len-dt> IndigentToad_, wow all of your USB ports share irqs
[04:06] <IndigentToad_> a mess.
[04:06] <IndigentToad_> a hot mess
[04:07] <len-dt> Ya, I unplugged all my stuff and then plugged a memstick in each port I could see. I went to a terminal and ran dmesg.
[04:08] <len-dt> Then I could see which USB port it was.
[04:08] <len-dt> I found the two ports on the right side are both USB3, but on my netbook USB3 is at least on it's own irq, so I just use one of them
[04:09] <len-dt> I found the port on the left side shared with about 5 other things :P, so I use that for  my external drive
[04:10] <len-dt> If I was going to put a hub in I would put it there.
[04:10] <len-dt> The other thing to remember is that lap tops use USB ports for internal things too. For example webcam or SD port.
[04:11] <len-dt> Unloading the kernel module for the webcam may be helpful, and the wireless card may go through a USB port as well.
[04:11] <IndigentToad_> no webcam.
[04:12] <IndigentToad_> hmm...I'm going to have to read up on this a bit.
[04:12] <IndigentToad_> seems like a lot.
[04:12] <len-dt> I wasn't able to map all of mine, it seemed that some of the USB port numbers weren't even used at all.
[04:12] <IndigentToad_> should this be done in the bios or in the OS?
[04:14] <len-dt> Disabling the wireless in bios means you can't turn it off and on without rebooting, using moprobe and modprobe -r                       lets you load/unload from within the session
[04:14] <len-dt> If you never use wireless do it in the bios.
[04:16] <len-dt> My bios editor is pretty lame, I unload the kernel modules.
[04:20] <IndigentToad_> eh...didn't have this problem before i got this USB hub. My hope is to find a work around so I can keep the hub
[04:20] <holstein> well, you had conflicts though.. i would get a non usb sound card if possible
[04:20] <holstein> i dont trust usb with my audio anyways...
[04:23] <Len-nb> holstein, it's a laptop... not much choice
[04:24] <holstein> yeah... unless you can do firewire
[04:24] <Len-nb> IndigentToad_, do you have a PC port?
[04:25] <Len-nb> If you don't have firewire...
[04:27] <IndigentToad_> no firewire
[04:27] <Len-nb> PC port?
[04:27] <IndigentToad_> not sure what you mean by PC port
[04:27] <XRS1> try enabling USB Legacy Support in the BIOS?
[04:28] <IndigentToad_> ZRS1 - I'll try that next time I reboot. What does it do?
[04:29] <XRS1> i notice a lot of problems with USB when that is not enabled. enabling it tends to fix stuff
[04:30] <Len-nb> Older laptops had a port for adding wireless, ethernet, or whatever, there are firewire plugin boards too. It gets expensive fast though, firewire audio ports are not cheap.
[04:30] <IndigentToad_> As the name states (Indigent), we ain't going there
[04:30] <Len-nb> If it was me I would stick with the USB port and go for a quiet machine
[04:31] <Len-nb> I stop networking, cron and friends, set the cpu to a constant speed
[04:31] <IndigentToad_> machine is about 4 years old and has to make it a while, so we're sticking with USB. Plus I'm just using a simple Lexicon interface
[04:32] <Len-nb> I have an ART dualUSB deal.
[04:32] <XRS1> any firmware updates available relating to USB?
[04:32] <Len-nb> That would depend on the hardware.
[04:33] <Len-nb> I have an acer aspire and as far as I know none of the bios updates do anything for USB. Your's could be different
[04:34] <IndigentToad_> Dell Inspiron
[04:34] <IndigentToad_> ...
[04:34] <IndigentToad_> Len how do you line the ART gear?
[04:35] <IndigentToad_> I have one of their little tiube preamps and it's fun
[04:35] <Len-nb> I like it. It has tube pres and a s/pdif output
[04:35] <IndigentToad_> does it record above 48k?
[04:35] <Len-nb> So I can use it as a pre for my D66 on the desktop machine or an IF inthe netbook
[04:36] <Len-nb> It is USB 1.1 so no.
[04:37] <IndigentToad_> ok
[04:37] <IndigentToad_> Like I said, the Tube MP studio has been nice to me. Makes a cheap mic sound a little warmer
[04:37] <Len-nb> I do mostly 44.1 actually.
[04:38] <Len-nb> Thats what I like about the tube too
[04:39] <IndigentToad_> they make some higher end stuff that is impressive. but I'm more of a plug in guy...record it raw and let the bytes sort it out
[04:39] <aaas> how can i stop jack from the command line
[04:51] <holstein> aaas: i would run 'ps aux | grep jack' and kill it
[04:51] <aaas> holstein ok thanks...i was wondering if theres a way I should be doing it through the daemon
[04:59] <Len-nb> IndigentToad_, the high end stuff is mostly adat or madi... the pci cards seem to be $500 +... a bit much for me.
[05:01] <IndigentToad_> don't need a PCI card on a laptop! so I am GOOD!
[05:01] <IndigentToad_> LOL
[05:01] <Len-nb> I would buy a better mic first I think. Even at 44.1k and 16 bit a better mic would make a difference
[05:01] <Len-nb> Though my desktop is 24bit.
[05:04] <Len-nb> aaas, you can also use jack_control stop or exit if you are running jackdbus.
[05:05] <Len-nb> jack_control has lots of things it can do.
[05:06] <Len-nb> You can change latency and sample rate, set the back end.
[05:07] <Len-nb> If you go to a terminal and type jack and then hit tab you will get a list of jack commandline stuff.
[05:08] <Len-nb> To learn more about any of them type man and then the command name.
[05:08] <aaas> Len-nb thanks!
[05:08] <Len-nb> NP
[05:08] <aaas> Len-nb I want to know becasue I'm tyring to get jack to shut down gracefully when the computer goes to sleep
[05:08] <aaas> everything breaks when it goes to hibernate
[05:09] <aaas> jack doesn't behave well
[05:09] <Len-nb> Probably exit would be best then.
[05:15] <studio-user509> hi
[05:15] <studio-user509> i have a question
[05:16] <studio-user509> can i update my BIOS while ubuntu is installed?
[05:17] <holstein> studio-user509: you can remove the hard drive and update the bios.. depending on how the manufacturer expects you to update it and what form the update is provided in
[05:17] <holstein> nothing about ubuntu will prevent you from updating your bios
[05:27] <holstein> IndigentToad_: have you been invited to #opensourcemusicians ?
[05:28] <IndigentToad_> I have not
[05:29] <holstein> well. check it out if you are bored.. or no one is talking to you here or in #ardour.. enjoy!.. gn
[05:30] <IndigentToad_> lol
[06:30] <smj> is there a tracker statistics page for the BitTorrent disc images?
[18:15] <studio-user496> can i ask a question here??
[18:17] <zequence> studio-user496: Yep
[18:17] <zequence> And, you just did :)
[18:19] <studio-user496> cool!  haha your smart :P but iḿ not that smart i think because this is the third time im trying to install ubuntu studio but after the restart (after install)  it doesnt startup
[18:19] <studio-user496> and i cant find the answer
[18:20] <studio-user496> it says superblock everytime
[18:20] <studio-user496> and sector<PHONE_NUMBER>436 etc.
[18:21] <zequence> studio-user496: Tell me a little bit about the install. Dual boot? Wubi?
[18:21] <zequence> And, if not Wubi, did you install the Grub boot loader?
[18:21] <studio-user496> usb but noapic
[18:22] <studio-user496> grub boot loader??:P
[18:23] <XRS1> take the USB stick out and let the computer boot its self?
[18:23] <zequence> studio-user496: I assume you installed Ubuntu Studio onto the usb stick, or drive?
[18:23] <XRS1> what happens after you installed. you turn the computer on, walk us through the screens you see
[18:23] <zequence> Or, did you install from usb and onto an internal drive?
[18:24] <studio-user496> i burned the ubuntu studio image to the usb stick
[18:24] <studio-user496> and tthan boot from the usbstick
[18:25] <zequence> studio-user496: And then you installed onto internal hard drive?
[18:25] <studio-user496> yea
[18:25] <studio-user496> yes
[18:25] <zequence> studio-user496: So, do you have more than one OS on the hard drive?
[18:26] <studio-user496> nono i first formatted
[18:26] <zequence> studio-user496: nono, as in, you only have one OS on the internal hard drive (Ubuntu Studio)?
[18:27] <studio-user496> yes
[18:27] <zequence> studio-user496: Do you have only one hard drive?
[18:27] <studio-user496> but it doesnt boot wel because off the errors
[18:27] <studio-user496> and i saw kernel panic error or something like that
[18:28] <zequence> studio-user496: Only one hard drive :) ?
[18:28] <studio-user496> yes
[18:29] <zequence> studio-user496: And when you installed, did you choose the option, that said something like erase everything, and install, etc
[18:29] <studio-user496> yes I chose that option
[18:29] <studio-user496> 3x
[18:29] <zequence> Ok, so I think this is a very safe way of installing, and should work well. Perhaps there is a problem with the hard drive?
[18:30] <zequence> Is it old?
[18:30] <studio-user496> no its very new :P
[18:30] <studio-user496> never fell or something like that
[18:30] <studio-user496> can I perform a diskcheck?
[18:31] <studio-user496> in ubuntu?
[18:33] <zequence> studio-user496: Did you try booting with the live image, and then mounting the internal hard drive?
[18:34] <zequence> This is not a problem specific to Ubuntu Studio, and I'm afraid we probably don't have people who can help on this specific problem. So, it'll be anyones guess what is wrong
[18:34] <XRS1> is this system known to be a good working system?
[18:34] <len-dt> Its my daily use desktop
[18:34] <XRS1> no problems with RAM or CPU cache?
[18:35] <studio-user496> I just downloaded a zip package with that grub files
[18:35] <XRS1> i say verify the md5. the download might have been corrupted
[18:35] <studio-user496> and I see i have none of that on my disk ?
[18:36] <zequence> studio-user496: What do you mean? How are you examining your disk?
[18:36] <zequence> studio-user496: If the kernel boots, that means you have GRUB installed
[18:36] <studio-user496> o
[18:36] <zequence> You wouldn't get kernel panic messages without GRUB being installed
[18:36] <studio-user496> but maybe it doesnt
[18:36] <XRS1> no you cant see grub, it exists in the Master Boot Record of the hard drive. i would suggest Boot Repair, except you are booting. its just panacing
[18:36] <studio-user496> o ok
[18:36] <zequence> studio-user496: Were you able to mount the disk from the live image?
[18:37] <studio-user496> from the usb stick maybe
[18:37] <zequence> studio-user496: That is, first you boot into the live image (trying out Ubuntu Studio), and then go to file manager, click the Hard Drive to mount it
[18:37] <XRS1> i say verify the md5. the download might have been corrupted
[18:37] <XRS1> verify the MD5 of the ISO you are installing from
[18:39] <studio-user492> sorry i missed the last things you suggested because i accidently closed my browser
[18:39] <XRS1> i say verify the md5. the download might have been corrupted
[18:39] <XRS1> verify the MD5 of the ISO you are installing from
[18:40] <XRS1> should be an option to do it when you have the installer USB inserted at boot. (but iv had that util tell me its good when in fact it was bad, but thats only happened once in a lifetime)
[18:41] <studio-user492> i think i try rebooting
[18:42] <studio-user492> maybe this time it works well
[18:42] <studio-user492> and if it doesnt i think i boot from the usb
[18:46] <XRS1> another option, dont know if its worth a try but; i never trust Ubiquity (the installer)  i use gparted to first format the hard drive (in the "Start menu -> system -> gparted.) if you have 4GB of more you can format the entire drive as "/" in ext4 format and skip SWAP, then in the installer "Choose Something Else" use the formatting you set up and make sure grub is set to install to whatever your drive is labeled as (EG: sda)
[18:46] <XRS1> 4 GB RAM  or more*
[18:47] <len-dt> +1 even with lower ram I always do manual. There was a problem at one time of grub getting installed on the wrong drive.
[18:48] <len-dt> On my netbook, I use a USB drive to install on. Some times when it boots the USB stick the internal drive is sda and sometimes the external drive is sda and the internal is sdb
[23:35] <MossMan_> can anybody help me with a seemingly simple problem? i have no brightness control on my fresh install of ubuntu studio
[23:35] <MossMan_> any ideas why that could be?
[23:37] <nv> on my Evo n610c, the brightness is BIOS managed and i cant controll it in linux
[23:38] <nv> retarded powermanagement issue. screen dims to 80% by default when unplugged, Fn keys not standards compliant
[23:44] <MossMan_> so it's more complicated than just a simple fix...
[23:44] <MossMan_> you'd think that vendors could find a way to make brightness standards compliant
[23:44] <nv> hopefully that is not the issue, thats just the only time i have seen the problem
[23:44] <MossMan_> i guess not
[23:44] <nv> no that is just an old laptop that uses a PS/2 connection
[23:45] <MossMan_> i see
[23:46] <nv> might try asking in #xubuntu


[00:03] <hehehe> any one knows cool GUI mail client?
[00:03] <hehehe> for ubuntu
[00:03] <hehehe> I have Evolution and it sucks
[00:03] <hehehe> often just gets stuck
[00:03] <drab> hehehe: this is the server channel, no GUI, ask in #ubuntu please
[00:03] <nacc> hehehe: feels like something rather easy to google for.
[00:04] <drab> also "cool" is not a feature requirement, I find mutt cool, but I suspect you wouldn't
[00:04] <nacc> mutt +1
[00:04] <drab> but maybe who knows, it has that 1337 feeling to it :P
[00:04] <nacc> heh
[00:05] <hehehe> mutt is not GUI
[00:05] <hehehe> else maybe good
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:59] <nyaa> after installing linux-image-generic-lts-xenial on 14.04 can i remove linux-generic, linux-headers-generic and linux-image-generic ?
[10:22] <joelio> nyaa: yep
[14:28] <coreycb> jamespage: I'm going to merge python-monasca-statsd for unstable, however our source package is named monasca-statsd and there's is python-monasca-statsd. i don't think i need to do anything special but if you can think of anything please let me know.
[14:47] <joelio> ow 6
[14:48] <joelio>  hrm /window fail
[15:34] <Scoop7> I was sent here
[15:34] <Scoop7> by lotuspsychje
[15:34] <teward> Scoop7: for...?
[15:34] <Scoop7> he said I can find help here
[15:35] <teward> we ain't psychic, we'll need more information about what you're looking for.
[15:35] <nacc> Scoop7: as i said in #ubuntu, your questionn is sort of a loop
[15:35] <teward> sorry if I seem on edge, I'm nursing a headache from staring at radio frequency data all day.
[15:35] <teward> (so far)
[15:35] <nacc> if you are overcommiting your server, either a) do not overcommit or b) setup your server to handle overcommit
[15:36] <teward> ^ that
[15:38] <nacc> where b) might mean setup swap, add more RAM, etc.
[15:38] <nacc> and a) typically means workload management
[15:43] <TJ-> Does chrome headless support KSM maybe?
[15:43] <nacc> TJ-: isn't KSM trasparent to the application? unless you mean does it do mlock or manual dedupe?
[15:44] <nacc> err, madvise not mlock
[15:45] <TJ-> nacc: well, generally the app calls madvise(ptr, size,MADV_MERGEABLE)
[15:46] <nacc> TJ-: ah sorry, i was cofusig it with THP
[15:47] <nacc> TJ-: you're right, KSM is a opt-in thing
[15:48] <nacc> TJ-: THP, in contrast has an "always" setting, but defaults to "madvise" on the ubuntu kernel
[15:49] <nacc> Scoop7: would be good if you replied at some point :)
[15:49] <TJ-> nacc: are you using ecryptfs for $HOME?
[15:49] <nacc> TJ-: nope
[15:49] <nacc> TJ-: why do you ask?
[15:50] <TJ-> nacc: I'm looking for someone to try and recreate a kernel BUG in ecryptfs. I've reproduced on different PCs and kernel versions from 4.4 to 4.13.
[15:51] <tyhicks> TJ-: hi - I'm the upstream maintainer and have seen your bug reports in launchpad and kernel.org's bugzilla
[15:51] <nacc> heh
[15:51] <tyhicks> TJ-: I'll attempt to reproduce it shortly (having to handle other things first)
[15:51] <tyhicks> TJ-: thanks for the bug report!
[15:51] <TJ-> tyhicks: Yay! thanks very much :)
[15:52] <TJ-> tyhicks: I started off doing some what I thought were simple overlayfs experiments... ended up going backwards until 5.30am and still going backwards now!
[15:53] <TJ-> tyhicks: is there any possibility ecryptfs will at some point support the trusted.* extended attributes so it can be used as a writeable upper layer in overlayfs?
[17:28] <rbasak> nacc: MP ready: https://code.launchpad.net/~racb/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/333040
[17:29] <rbasak> nacc: the point of all of this is to make test_git_repository.py trivial.
[17:30] <nacc> rbasak: reading it now
[17:32] <nacc> rbasak: should the Link constructor be callig super() and taking a kwargs?
[17:33] <rbasak> nacc: yes. Good catch.
[17:33] <rbasak> I guess I'm not testing that :-/
[17:33] <nacc> rbasak: i think you'd see an issue if you tried to name the link? not sure
[17:34] <rbasak> Yep. That's what I'd expect.
[17:35] <rbasak> I'll fix but also write a test :)
[17:35] <nacc> heh
[17:35] <rbasak> (tomorrow)
[17:37] <nacc> rbasak: overall looks really nice and promising
[17:39] <rbasak> \o/
[17:39] <rbasak> Thanks
[17:39] <rbasak> Bedtime now. I'll read your review tomorrow :)