[00:02] <effie_jayx> hey all
[00:02] <effie_jayx> this documentation about NetbookPlasma seems a bit old... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma
[00:03] <effie_jayx> it suggest filing bugs to launchpad... is that still acurate?
[00:39] <valorie> effie_jayx: packaging bugs are on launchpad
[00:39] <valorie> app bugs are on b.k.o
[00:39] <valorie> of course, the trick is knowing which is which
[00:59] <effie_jayx> valorie: i think it is not a packaging issue
[01:00] <effie_jayx> valorie: I would like to fix the wiki entry, I will read a bit on release nots and kubuntu-devel threads about netbook-plasma and document that better
[01:00] <effie_jayx> thanks
[01:00] <effie_jayx> also file my bug against plasma-netbook
[01:05] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196756 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (14 files in 5 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[01:05] <CIA-42> Port ApplicationView over to AbstractViewBase. We now have full navigability of
[01:05] <CIA-42> both subcategorized and normal subviews of the category view! The application
[01:09] <valorie> I ran into a bug with it, with my new netbook, but since it died, I don't think I can file a bug
[01:10] <valorie> maybe when it comes back from the repair shop
[01:10] <valorie> and thanks for your work on the wiki
[01:23] <effie_jayx> valorie: I have several bugs on my list, but I often lack people that can confirm them :S
[01:26] <valorie> well, you might mention plasma-netbook bug numbers here, and I'll see if I can confirm
[01:26] <valorie> right now, though, off to dinner
[01:28] <effie_jayx> thanks
[01:51] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196759 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (12 files in 3 dirs) Navigation in top-level origin-filtered or status-filtered application list views is now possible. These aren't getting their icons passed to the breadcrumb, however. Will look in to that next
[01:55] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196760 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationListView.cpp Fix the lack of an icon for top-level origin/status-filtered application list views.
[01:57] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196761 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/CategoryViewWidget.cpp Give the breadcrumbs for categorized application views a title and icon.
[01:57]  * JontheEchidna does the "navigational model is complete" dance :D-/<
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/ZwFY5
[02:12] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196762 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) We don't want margins in here, because we place stacked widgets in these layouts that have widgets with layouts, which makes the margins really thick and weird
[03:45] <ScottK> effie_jayx: It is old.  plasma-netbook bugs should be filed the same as any other now.  It'd be nice if you could update that wiki page.
[05:32] <maco> apachelogger: remember you tried telling me my checkable button for showing/hiding advanced stuff violated hig?   http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Toggle_Buttons#First_option:_Describe_the_state_reached_when_the_button_is_down  disagrees
[08:26] <hrw|gone> bad news: kde4 with plasma-netbook is not usable on 512MB ram (no swap). I reverted from natty to maverick on efika smartbook and after boot to kde4 session nearly whole memory is taken
[09:49] <apachelogger> maco: I do not, but if you send me a screenie I will surely remember why :P
[10:59] <effie_jayx> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/NetbookPlasma  has been updated
[11:00] <effie_jayx> I have brought the document to speed with the times
[11:00] <effie_jayx> changed reporting bugs section
[11:00] <effie_jayx> references to Combined Desktop ISO
[11:01] <effie_jayx> some new external links
[11:01] <valorie> looks good
[11:01] <valorie> this sentence isn't finished, though: You can alternatively Select the Netbook Plasma workspace by heading to "System Preferences » Workspace » Workspace Type" and check
[11:01] <valorie> that's where it ends
[11:01] <effie_jayx> ups
[11:02] <effie_jayx> changed
[11:04] <effie_jayx> I do not know if this is a bug , but Quicksand interface for krunner brings up every application to maximized state when it loads
[11:05] <effie_jayx> example I have desktop as active window (no apps are seen)
[11:05] <valorie> in the netbook interface?
[11:05] <effie_jayx> yes
[11:05] <valorie> that is the default
[11:06] <valorie> I didn't get to use it much so I don't know how to change that
[11:06] <valorie> great links, effie_jayx
[11:06] <effie_jayx> valorie: but you get what I mean??
[11:06] <effie_jayx> valorie:  thanks did some homework :)
[11:07] <valorie> no, I don't know what quicksand it
[11:07] <valorie> is
[11:07] <valorie> but I know that all windows are maximized in netbook
[11:08] <valorie> you have one small mis-spelling
[11:08] <valorie> if I fix it, my name will be on the page
[11:08] <valorie> lol
[11:08] <valorie> select "Netbook" or "Desktop" as you workspace type.
[11:08] <valorie> should be "your workspace type"
[11:10] <effie_jayx> sure :)
[11:10] <effie_jayx> I have duffy fingers
[11:10] <effie_jayx> :S
[11:10] <effie_jayx> try this...
[11:11] <apachelogger> dantti: pingy ping, it would be much easier to implement auto-selection of suitable driver by name, if the add-printer thing would, like the pyth0rn thing, first ask for make and then for model on a seperate page
[11:12] <apachelogger> or that fishy column file browsing in dolphin would probably also be a more browsable method
[11:12] <effie_jayx> have some apps open and move to another workspace, hit alt+f2 and all apps are brought up again
[11:12] <valorie> effie_jayx: my netbook is in the shop
[11:12] <apachelogger> dantti: that way we can always select the make even if the model is not matched
[11:12] <apachelogger> narrowing down the amount of models to select from
[11:13] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: sounds like a bug in quicksand
[11:13] <effie_jayx> now this only happnes in plasma-netbook
[11:14] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: sounds like a bug in quicksand
[11:14] <effie_jayx> ok
[11:14]  * effie_jayx reports bug
[11:15]  * apachelogger finds quicksand rather useless anyway :P
[11:16] <valorie> I didn't have time to find out
[11:17] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:17] <apachelogger> dantti: the code base needs a nice and cosy debug number thing :D
[11:30]  * apachelogger just got lost in qcups the third time
[11:33] <apachelogger> :O
[11:33] <apachelogger> oh dear
[11:33] <apachelogger> dantti: did you look at the logic behind the pyth0rn app that allows it to preselect that stuff?
[11:34] <apachelogger> this is so scary
[11:34] <apachelogger> ...
[11:34] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/531677/
[11:34] <effie_jayx> bug filed if any one can reproduce it I would a ppreciate a comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=256882
[11:35] <effie_jayx> also I do not want to feel like I'm the only soul using quicksand :(
[11:35] <effie_jayx> heh
[11:35] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: chances are there are between 1 and 3 other users :P
[11:36] <apachelogger>                        " multifuntion",     # There are HP PPDs with this typo
[11:36] <apachelogger> lmao
[11:38] <apachelogger> dantti: if you really want to implement such a monster, can it please be a QMap<QVector, QString> or something like that?
[11:38] <apachelogger> the ifs there make me feel sickish
[12:01] <effie_jayx> is ubuntu avilable for ARM yet?
[12:04] <effie_jayx> i ask because there is docs refering to Plasma Netbook availablity for ARM
[12:17] <apachelogger> effie_jayx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.04/release/
[12:18] <apachelogger> or for maverick: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[12:18] <apachelogger> not sure how well it works though
[12:21] <apachelogger> dantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/531703/ a couple of maps ;)
[12:33] <effie_jayx> thanks apachelogger
[12:39]  * apachelogger hints http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/i18n-semantics-cheat-sheet/ to dantti
[12:41] <apachelogger> !find gdebi.mo
[12:42] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[12:42]  * apachelogger remembers
[12:42] <apachelogger> anyone with magical translated system around?
[13:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196939 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (7 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[13:38] <CIA-42> Add an "AbstractViewContainer" class that acts as a base class for top-level
[13:38] <CIA-42> AbstractViewBase-containing views such as AvailableView and ApplicationListView.
[13:43] <dantti> apachelogger: hey
[13:44] <dantti> apachelogger: first about the ui, I really think the ui I wrote is easier to use, since you can do all you can in python witouth going back and forth
[13:44] <dantti> apachelogger: you just click on the down arrow and pick you make
[13:44] <dantti> and you can search on all the models which you can't in the py version
[13:44] <dantti> so I guess you found the piece of code that does have the magic
[13:45] <dantti> today I have other things to do, so probably on wednesday I'll look into these things
[13:47] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196940 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (AbstractViewContainer.cpp AbstractViewContainer.h) Use a KVBox as the base class for AbstractViewContainer. It's basically what we were using with the QWidget + QVBoxLayout, and it manages the addition of widgets to the layout for us.
[13:51] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196941 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/AbstractViewContainer.cpp SVN_SILENT: Spacing tweak
[13:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you clearly should be gitting ;)
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[13:56] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196944 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Give out a default icon string in Application::icon() if the .desktop file lacks one.
[14:26] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:26] <apachelogger> dantti: that make dropdown is super not obvious
[14:27] <apachelogger> that needs description text or some stuff
[14:28]  * apachelogger has a general confusion about that thing now
[14:28] <apachelogger> dantti: I do not think it is a good idea to combine make and model in that one drop down/search
[14:29] <apachelogger> the drown down offers makers but the search in context of the driver list permits search of driver names
[14:30] <apachelogger> putting both on one GUI element is really not the best of things WRT obvious user interface usage
[14:38] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196951 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add a "find in the menu" feature like in KPackageKit and the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:47] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196953 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp Improve long desc. and screenshot thumbnail layout
[14:47] <dantti> apachelogger: the idea is that the user don't need to care about Make, just type in his model or something and it will be filtered
[14:47] <dantti> the make is uselles the driver is important
[14:47] <apachelogger> yeah, see, he types in the model :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> not the make
[14:48] <apachelogger> so why does the dropdown offer the make
[14:48] <dantti> just to offer a filter
[14:48] <apachelogger> which is pointless because the user is supposed to search for the model anyway :P
[14:49] <dantti> like we already know it's HP printer then we select make, but as we can't find the model the list is shorter to him
[14:49] <apachelogger> if OTOH the user selected the make beforehand and then filtered from all drivers for the make...
[14:50] <dantti> a description like type in your search or click on the dropdown and select you manufaturer to find a best match
[14:51] <apachelogger> but you are messing with perception of make and model, so either the user clicks the drop down notices that the thingies in there are all manfucaturers and selects his and then thinks that the bar is there to filter a manfacturer, making him manually search for his printer
[14:52] <apachelogger> or he does not click the drop down and searches for his printer right away
[14:52] <apachelogger> in either case you are rendering part of the functionality unused because you are assigning two use cases to one GUI element
[14:52] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196956 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Sync up the strings for the origins filtered by installation with the "all applications" origins
[14:53] <dantti> apachelogger: well then we can have an extra combo
[14:54] <apachelogger> I agree
[14:54] <dantti> i just don't want that go back and forth thing that the py ui has
[14:54] <apachelogger> [Manufacturer   v]
[14:54] <apachelogger> [Filter....                 ]
[14:55] <dantti> apachelogger: i think the ui should be more like
[14:55] <dantti> [ Make v ]
[14:55] <dantti> [ list ]
[14:55] <dantti> [ filter ]
[14:56] <apachelogger> dantti: what does list contain?
[14:56] <dantti> the drivers
[14:56] <apachelogger> oh
[14:56] <apachelogger> that is not good
[14:56] <apachelogger> filters must be ontop of lists
[14:56] <apachelogger> see... kaddressbook, timezone config, ....
[15:00] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196957 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/ (BreadcrumbItem.cpp BreadcrumbWidget.cpp) A kludge for arrows in the Breadcrumb
[15:10] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196959 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbItem.cpp Prevent the attack of the undead arrows
[15:12] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1196960 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/BreadcrumbWidget/BreadcrumbItem.cpp A more efficient way to decide whether or not to add an arrow to a breadcrumb item
[15:13] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196961 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageChoosePPD.ui s/qcombobox/kcombobox
[15:17] <apachelogger> dantti: I really cannot find any showstoppers for a proper release though? :S
[15:22] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196964 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (6 files) s/qurl/kurl
[15:22] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196965 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/AddPrinterAssistant.cpp debug--
[15:23] <dantti> apachelogger: welll the samba thing doesn't work for example
[15:24] <apachelogger> dantti: well, for a 0.1 release it surely is enough
[15:25]  * apachelogger builds krazy
[15:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you not want to package it?
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> I've not felt the urge, no
[15:28] <apachelogger> hm
[15:28] <apachelogger> but you mentioned it?
[15:28]  * apachelogger fears that his madness is making him imagine things now
[15:29] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196967 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseIpp.ui context for translators
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> I think that was somebody on #debian-qt-kde
[15:30] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[15:30] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196969 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseLpd.ui context for translators
[15:30] <apachelogger> I am not even lurking there
[15:30] <apachelogger> surely it must be the mandess
[15:30] <apachelogger> *madness
[15:31] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196970 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChoosePrinters.ui context for translators
[15:34] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196971 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSamba.ui context for translators
[15:36] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196973 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSerial.ui context for translators
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> I think bug 609247 might be a new record for MIR-wait
[15:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: take a stick and poke as hard as you can
[15:37] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196975 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseSocket.ui context for translators
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> It really shows just how flawed the system is
[15:38] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196976 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ChooseUri.ui context for translators
[15:39] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196977 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageAddPrinter.ui context for translators
[15:40] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196978 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageChoosePPD.ui context for translators
[15:41] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196979 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageDestinations.ui mark dummy label as not translatable
[15:42] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196980 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/PageIntro.ui context for translators
[15:45] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196982 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrinterDescription.ui context for translators
[15:46] <apachelogger> dantti: is libqcups going to be detatched from the print-manager src?
[15:46] <dantti> apachelogger: i don't see an use for it outside
[15:46] <apachelogger> steveire: since I did not yet have time to read your blog post on l10n magic in grantlee... did you make klocale Qtish or something like that?
[15:46] <apachelogger> dantti: why is it qtonly then :P
[15:47]  * apachelogger shall add context to ui files in qcups then
[15:47] <dantti> apachelogger: not need for kde thingsd there
[15:47] <dantti> ah right
[15:47] <dantti> np
[15:48] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196984 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.ui context for translators
[15:48] <apachelogger> dantti: btw, because I just noticed, I am not sure having icons without labels for add, remove and configure
[15:48] <apachelogger> ultimately I suppose you should implement it as toolbar and follow the KDE setting for those
[15:48] <apachelogger> seele surely will not like icons only
[15:49] <dantti> apachelogger: well that was discussed with some oxygen devs and we liked it
[15:49] <dantti> and i'm not big fan of kde usability
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can we set the Neon home dirs via a xsession file? like... making sure that the right binaries are used
[15:50] <apachelogger> well.....
[15:50] <sheytan> apachelogger dantt: are you talking about the new printer stuff?
[15:50] <apachelogger> dantti: there is little use if the user does not know how to add a printer I suppose
[15:50] <dantti> sheytan: hey :D yes
[15:50] <shadeslayer> like kwin from /opt/project-neon is used not from /usr
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: suppose so
[15:50] <dantti> apachelogger: the user won't know how to add a printer if he can read
[15:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how? :P
[15:50] <sheytan> dantti: do not add text lables. As toolips i might agree but don't add text to icons :D
[15:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: magic
[15:51] <shadeslayer> because thats all we have to do to get Project neon going imo
[15:51] <dantti> apachelogger: there is a label Click on the plus sign to add a printer
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, thats needed as well :P
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/meta-project-neon/annotate/head:/usr/share/xsessions/project-neon.desktop
[15:51] <apachelogger> dantti: and if there already is a printer...?
[15:51] <apachelogger> because I have one there and there is no label
[15:51] <dantti> then he already knows
[15:51] <apachelogger> what is worse, the plus icon thingy has no hover info thingy
[15:51] <apachelogger> dantti: no
[15:51] <apachelogger> my system automagically added the printer
[15:52] <apachelogger> (no idea how)
[15:52] <dantti> well a tooltip sure will be nice
[15:52] <apachelogger> so I currently as user have no idea how to add a new printer
[15:52] <dantti> apachelogger: printer applet must have added it
[15:52] <apachelogger> and am at the mercy of my system to add another printer also automagically ^^
[15:53] <dantti> well if you look at mac os ui they don't have text next to the + and - and users know how to do that..
[15:53] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196985 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.ui context for translators, also remove secondary pointless spacer
[15:53] <apachelogger> dantti: this is not about right or wrong
[15:53] <apachelogger> this is about having a consistent setup
[15:54] <apachelogger> hence I recommended having it as a ktoolbar
[15:54] <apachelogger> in which case the consistency comes naturally
[15:54] <apachelogger> and if a distro or user feels like not having text next to icons they can have that
[15:54] <sheytan> apachelogger well, what a + or - button can mean in a printer manager app other then 'add new' or 'remove' ? :D
[15:55] <apachelogger> sheytan: <apachelogger> dantti: this is not about right or wrong
 this is about having a consistent setup
[15:56] <sheytan> apachelogger but in this case icons without text look much better making the ui cleaner :)
[15:56] <dantti> i think consistent setups makes ui don't evolute
[15:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is not the point
[15:56] <sheytan> dantti is right
[15:56] <sheytan> there are things in kde usability i would change.
[15:57] <dantti> which is why i don't think we must have a way to do it
[15:57]  * apachelogger feels not listened to
[15:57] <dantti> I think if it''s completely not obvious then there isn't good usability
[15:57] <dantti> which is why I like Think Different (tm) :P
[15:57] <sheytan> apachelogger but what's good in making an app less usable or clutter the ui only to have consistent look with the rest?
[15:58] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1196988 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/SystemPreferences.ui context for translators
[15:58] <sheytan> in this case, the rest of KDE apps should follow us ]:->
[15:58]  * sheytan is evil
[15:58] <apachelogger> omg
[15:58] <apachelogger> srsly
[15:58]  * apachelogger goes grumpy
[15:58] <dantti> apachelogger: have you seem the printer queue?
[15:59] <dantti> you will say the same
[15:59] <apachelogger> kmenu -> system settings -> app appearnace -> style -> fine tuning -> main toolbar text: no text
[15:59] <dantti> thruth is that we need to reinvent ourselfs
[15:59] <apachelogger> that is your KDE apps should follow us
[15:59] <apachelogger> because you are not obeying the setting
[16:00] <dantti> apachelogger: no, because I don't think my other apps should be like this
[16:00] <apachelogger> which is next to no programming effort
[16:00] <apachelogger> but gives user the option to add text
[16:00] <dantti> this isn't a tool bar
[16:00] <dantti> this is a like where you add/rm/configure
[16:00] <apachelogger> and if a half blind user wants to have text for the sake of usign the freaking desktop and they shall have flipping text labels next to icons
[16:00] <dantti> like a new widget
 dantti: this is not about right or wrong
 this is about having a consistent setup
 hence I recommended having it as a ktoolbar
[16:01] <dantti> apachelogger: right and then you call good usability kmix channel selector? a default kde widget
[16:01] <dantti> which sucks hard even for I that can see
[16:01] <apachelogger> what sort of argument is that?
[16:01] <apachelogger> kuser has crappy ui, lets all make crappy uis
[16:01] <apachelogger> hooray
[16:01] <dantti> well there you don't have text either
[16:01] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:02] <dantti> and even worst you have to drag and drop
[16:05] <sheytan> apachelogger dantti: add text as tooltips, and we're good ;)
[16:42] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197009 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/ (PrintKCM.cpp PrintKCM.h PrintKCM.ui) multiple qtoolbuttons in horizontal alignment == qtoolbar
[16:47] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197012 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/AddPrinterAssistant.cpp context for translators
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think Neon is nearly done
[16:51] <shadeslayer> we now have a xsession entry as well
[16:51] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197013 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (11 files) context for translators
[16:51] <shadeslayer> we just need to export vars and stuff
[16:52] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197021 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/printer-manager-kcm/PrintKCM.cpp make strings translatable
[16:53] <yofel> make that: nearly something that's actually usable, the packaging todo has enough left to do :/
[16:56] <CIA-42> [print-manager] sitter * 1197024 * trunk/playground/base/print-manager/add-printer/ (ChooseSerial.cpp DevicesModel.cpp) guess what... more context for translators
[16:59] <apachelogger> dantti: add-printer all i18nc'd it seems
[16:59] <apachelogger> well, except for commented out stuff and pino does not like me fixing things, so...
[17:05] <shadeslayer> oh boy oh boy..... Nov 18 is beta 1 tag.... KDE 4.6 Beta 1 packaging is coming! \o/
[17:30] <dantti> apachelogger: thanks
[18:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I am thwarted.  Bug #675240
[18:18] <maco> anyone need a blue narwhal laptop decal? http://www.etsy.com/listing/61786553/friendly-narwhal-laptop-decal  :P i wonder if "narwhal" is getting tagged "geekery" on etsy for *buntu reasons...
[18:20] <hrw|gone> cr
[18:21] <ScottK> hrw|gone: Be careful not to upgrade to the latest Natty gcc-4.5 if you want to keep building packages with implicit-it=thumb.
[18:23] <apachelogger> <3 gcc
[18:25] <ScottK> or something.
[18:26]  * ScottK considers "Qt/KDE default compiler for Natty is gcc-4.4" as an option.
[19:59] <hrw|gone> ScottK: already noticed that :(
[19:59] <apachelogger> madness
[20:00] <ScottK> hrw|gone: OK.  Just trying to warn you before it was too late.
[20:00] <hrw|gone> ScottK: anyway kde4 and 512MB ram = fail
[20:00] <ScottK> We need to work on that.
[20:00] <hrw|gone> desktop runs and 5MB free
[20:01] <ScottK> You'll find the plasma-netbook uses less ram than plasma-desktop, AIUI.
[20:01] <hrw|gone> this with plasma-netbook...
[20:02] <ScottK> OH.
[20:02] <ScottK> One of the things we plan to do this cycle is see about breaking out some of the packages so it's possible to run a lighter system with fewer services.
[20:03] <hrw|gone> I am considering xfce + kde apps
[20:03] <ScottK> That would still bring in ~all of kdelibs.
[20:04] <hrw|gone> and 1GB swap but on 22MB/s disk :(
[20:04] <hrw|gone> ScottK: but not plasma stuff
[20:04] <ScottK> True.
[20:04] <ScottK> Which disk is that?
[20:05] <hrw|gone> efika internal pata is slow. alternative is microsd or sd. pata is still fastest..
[20:06] <hrw|gone> arm hardware usually sucks when it comes to storage speed
[20:08] <hrw|gone> beagleboard has 5MB/s sd, panda has 17 with same card.
[20:08] <hrw|gone> chips which handle sata with good speed usually lack graphics
[20:10] <apachelogger> hm
[20:10] <apachelogger> two compiles with -j20
[20:10]  * apachelogger is going crazy
[20:13] <hrw|gone> ;D
[20:16] <ulysses> apachelogger: you're totally mad
[20:20] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* D20icecc stop killing iceccd when starting a pbuilder, simplyfy code, comment out ccache support (for now), create a gcc tar to use by nodes, to ensure every machine uses the right GCC as the pbuilder
[20:21] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (B90kill C90kill) stop killing iceccd altogether
[20:24] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* D20icecc add icecc to path if it is not already there
[20:29]  * hrw|gone upgrades armel to latest gcc
[20:29] <hrw|gone> will look at kdepimlibs problem
[20:31] <hrw|gone> will require few rebuilds of gcc probably
[20:37] <hrw|gone> bye
[21:14]  * bulldog98 is questioning weather Kubuntu is able to run on the n8
[21:30] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* D20icecc fix native tarball creation && moving
[21:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: most unlikely
[21:32] <apachelogger> rbelem will know for sure ^^
[21:38] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think that jaunty is suposed to work on it
[21:39] <rbelem> but needs lots of hacks
[21:39] <rbelem> and a working bootloader
[21:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when is kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts going to be renamed?
[22:04] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (4 files in 3 dirs) Add uman - search Ubuntu Manuals/manpages
[22:05] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* D20icecc exporting in hooks will not work because pbuilder is parent and the env is only inherited by children... maybe /etc/environment would work? for now additionally requirements are necessary
[22:07] <CIA-42> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* D20icecc make comment more copyandpasteable
[22:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I subscribed kubuntu-bugs to bluedevil
[22:18] <apachelogger> afiestas: are you on top of the bug reports btw? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/11.04ubuntu1
[22:19] <apachelogger> dantti: so, when are you releasing printer-manager 0.1? ^^
[22:20] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197097 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Oops, meant to change the text in that situation, not change what we were checking for
[22:22] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197099 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (6 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[22:22] <CIA-42> -Split and/or filtering in to and filtering and or filtering. They really can't
[22:22] <CIA-42> be combined. -Implement package section filtering in the proxy model As a
[22:26] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197104 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Implement "exclude by package name" filtering in the proxy model
[22:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: do you think kubuntu-mobile for n900 by 11.04 is a sensible target?
[22:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and apachelogger: Canonical is doing some work on improving multi-monitor experience for Gnome and RAOF said he'd be happy to mentor someone to do similar improvements for KDE.  Any idea who might do this (I know this is stuff that upstream (at least generally) wants)?
[22:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup :-)
[22:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it's an excellent target.
[22:33] <apachelogger> okidoki
[22:33] <ScottK> If it's not, I want my n900 back that I just mailed to the guy that's going to do the kernel work.
[22:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: afiestas wanted to look into display config IIRC
[22:33] <ScottK> Oooh.
[22:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, with linaro kernel it will work fine :-)
[22:33] <ScottK> rbelem: linaro kernel plus the stuff mpoirier is going to do.
[22:33] <rbelem> :-)
[22:34] <ScottK> afiestas: If you're interested in display config stuff have I got a proposition for you ....
[22:34] <ScottK> Please ping me when you're around.
[22:34] <rbelem> And some improvements on our userland side
[22:35] <apachelogger> well, I just announced to the intartubes, so you better make that work :P
[22:36] <rbelem> hahahahah :-D
[22:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please get someone to send me a n900 or similar device thingy?
[22:36] <apachelogger> since you are close to the source right now...
[22:36] <afiestas> ScottK: :o?
[22:37] <apachelogger> rbelem: no laughing matter that is :P ... http://identi.ca/notice/58615786
[22:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, we will work hard ;-)
[22:40] <rbelem> we will not disappoint our users :-)
[22:41] <apachelogger> yeah, that just made his day, so you better dont :P
[22:41] <rbelem> :-D
[22:41] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1197113 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Implement package name wildcard filtering in the proxy model
[22:41] <dantti> apachelogger: dunno, I want the basic stuff working first
[22:41] <apachelogger> dantti: really, the basic stuff is working
[22:41] <dantti> the add printer has many unfinished things
[22:42] <apachelogger> dantti: so call it 0.1 beta1?
[22:42] <apachelogger> basic stuff IMHO == add local printer && print queue displaying stuff properly
[22:43] <apachelogger> dantti: you never know, maybe someone feels like contributing
[22:43] <apachelogger> meaning less work for you :D
[22:43] <dantti> apachelogger: well I've blogged a lot about it
[22:45] <apachelogger> blogging can only communicate so much awesomenss :)
[22:45] <dantti> well out of time also
[22:45] <dantti> debconf stuff is still in kde review
[22:46] <dantti> too many things todo
[22:52] <apachelogger> I see
[22:57] <ScottK> afiestas: Canonical is investing engineering effort into "improving the multi-monitor experience" in this Ubuntu development cycle.
[22:58] <ScottK> afiestas: As is not unheard of, they are doing it for Gnome, but not KDE.
[22:58] <ScottK> If we could get some KDE person to work with them, we could have something which we'd try out as a distro patch this cycle that would go upstream KDE in 4.7.
[22:59] <ScottK> afiestas: Since I know this is an area that KDE really needs work in, you were just blogging about looking for something useful to do, and from your bluetooth work, I know you can handle things that aren't simple, it might be a good project for you.
[23:00] <dantti> ScottK: I have a friend the could maybe help on this too, but he knows only few Qt, he works with java
[23:01] <apachelogger> surely we could find a mentor, or two ;)
[23:01] <ScottK> Yeah.
[23:01] <ScottK> RAOF will mentor on the X stuff.
[23:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, which bzr repos is the best to clone and apply ksambashare patches? https://code.launchpad.net/kdelibs
[23:04] <rbelem> kubuntu-members or vcs-imports?
[23:05] <apachelogger> vcs-imports
[23:05] <apachelogger> kubuntu-members only contains our packaging
[23:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, is vcs-imports used by project neon?
[23:06] <apachelogger> I suppose so
[23:07] <apachelogger> yep
[23:07] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4/+recipes
[23:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, are there kde trunk pkgs?
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, yes, technically, not sure how well they work
[23:09] <rbelem> nice :-D
[23:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer indicated that there are still runtime issues
[23:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, those packages have weird names. how them work?
[23:13] <apachelogger> rbelem: which ones? where?
[23:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, the neon packages
[23:14] <apachelogger> how do they have weird names?
[23:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, project-neon-qt_1.0+2295-22~maverick1_i386.deb (54.6 MiB)
[23:15] <ScottK> That's because they install in /opt so they need different names than regular system packages.
[23:15] <rbelem> hum...
[23:16] <rbelem> that's pretty cool!
[23:16] <rbelem> i can use them without mess with my current installation
[23:19] <apachelogger> rbelem: that is the whole idea :D
[23:20] <yofel> rbelem: join us in #project-neon if you're interested, we're still not finished as you can see from the package list
[23:21] <yofel> you *can* log in though, even it's just basic plasma desktop with errors currently :/
[23:21] <ScottK> yofel: I'm working on building your branches on arm to see if they build.
[23:22] <yofel> that's certainly interesting, let's hope for the best ^^
[23:23] <apachelogger> *omnomnom* ice cream
[23:26] <rbelem> thx yofel
[23:26] <rbelem> i will try to help :-)


[01:19] <daftykins> EriC^^: 'tis a long shift! how's you? :)
[01:23] <Bashing-om> I be look'n how I can take up the slack .. Just about cinched in .
[02:52] <EriC^^> daftykins: hey, i'm ok, you?
[09:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:59] <TJ-> Would anyone happen to have, or have used, an Asus K8V SE Deluxe mobo. It allegedly has a talking POST (Power On Self Test) ability even if the CPU is missing, and I'm trying to play about with one not able to get it to talk to me :)
[11:00] <cfhowlett> talking as in ... TALKING?
[11:01] <TJ-> Yeah! It has a Winbond chip onboard that apparently stores sampled audio and plays it out based on the system's POST code numbers when there's a failure. There's even Windows software to replace the default messages with your own
[11:01] <TJ-> I want to pull a stunt on someone ... give them the board and have ot say things to them even without the CPU onboard :p
[11:02] <cfhowlett> you, sir, are a sick and twisted individual ... :)
[11:02]  * TJ- sniggers evilly
[11:03] <TJ-> But rather like our Huskies, this mobo is refusing to howl - Oooo! now there's an idea, a howling mobo :D
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:29] <TJ-> well that was fun - just being playing cops and robbers chasing some people hare-coursing on the fields, cops are persuing them by road now
[13:16] <pauljw> mornin'
[13:24] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[13:25] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[13:27] <BluesKaj> it seems a shame that Kubuntu 16.04 takes 2 mins from grub to the login screen on my new Samsung EVO 256Gb SSD . it was really fast booying until a week ago after some upgrade mucked up the systemd start
[13:28] <pauljw> ouch, that is a shame
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I see the benefits of the speed after booting when switch apps etc , but booting is a mess
[13:30] <pauljw> upgrades scare me, i had one this week that messed up my virtualbox
[13:30] <BluesKaj> there are 2 /30 sec delays in the syslog with no data in between either of them, so there's no way of knowing what th eporblem is there
[13:31] <BluesKaj> the problem
[13:32] <BluesKaj> 14.04 is still nice and fast , but it's on an older spinner HDD
[13:32] <pauljw> :)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> IMO 14.04 is the last decent Kubuntu OS ...plasma 5 has been nothing but a problem for me
[13:35] <pauljw> that's a bummer, i always liked KDE.  does seem to be getting quite bloated lately.
[13:36] <pauljw> my wife and daughter are on PCLinuxOS using KDE and so far it's going well for them.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> good, nice to hear the ladies are using linux too. Wife is a W7 user and doesn't plan to change, besides her fav games aren't in the steam stable
[13:40] <BluesKaj> my daughter used Kubuntu for a while on a laptop I gave her, but now she's on a new W10 laptop and seems to like it.
[13:41] <pauljw> my daughter took to linux like water but it took me years to convince my wife to let me switch her to linux.  none of us are big gamers.  daughter is into art and does freehand, then scans in to gimp for coloring and manipulation.  taught herself gimp and is getting real good at  it.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> pauljw, what's PCLinux OS forked from?
[13:41] <pauljw> crap...
[13:41] <pauljw> can't remember
[13:42] <pauljw> mandrake is all i can think of but not sure if that's a distro or a software name
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Mandrake Linux (now Mandriva Linux).
[13:44] <pauljw> :) that's the one...
[13:44] <BluesKaj> rpm package management.... not my cuppa tea, but if it works ....
[13:45] <BluesKaj> who's to argue :-)
[13:46] <pauljw> yeah, seems to work ok, and they have it set up to utilize apt-get so it's easy for me to remotely keep them updated and not confuse myself
[13:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: systemd provides specfic tooling to identify delays
[13:49] <TJ-> BluesKaj: "systemd-analyze blame"
[13:58] <BluesKaj> TJ-, sytemd-analyse: Startup finished in 11.609s (kernel) + 3min 635ms (userspace) = 3min 12.245s
[13:59] <BluesKaj> looks about right, from grub to desktop, over 3mins
[14:01] <TJ-> BluesKaj: did you use "blame" to see what was using the time?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> nothing shows,  all actions are in ms
[14:04] <BluesKaj> except for the first few, they add up to 10secs total
[14:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: can you "pastebinit <( systemd-analyze blame )"
[14:11] <BluesKaj> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/aAxkPfMe
[14:13] <TJ-> BluesKaj: are there any remote network file-system mounts declared in fstab?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> not remote , just my outboard drive
[14:16] <TJ-> but that PC is operating a samba AD ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> TJ-, i can pastebin the syslog if you wish
[14:18] <BluesKaj> but it's huge
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:18] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[14:19] <TJ-> BluesKaj: sure, if it has timestamps... how about find where the last boot started and paste from there?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hi TJ-
[14:19] <BluesKaj> TJ-, ok
[14:20] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> anyone of you guys knows a free logo designer online?
[14:24] <pauljw> sorry, no
[14:25] <pauljw> brb
[14:30] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: logo design is pretty easy with thinks like Inkscape (SVG)
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but its nice to have it show business style right :p
[14:31] <BluesKaj> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/dvjG5upY , looks like a couple of uuids are troublesome but not until the end
[14:36] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: not disagreeing - just saying you an generate some very good logos using SVG and Inkscape, I've used it many times for such things. SVG scales to whatever resolutions you need
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ok ill look it tru
[14:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: nothing wrong there. Starts at 08:11.20 and finishes at 08:11.33 - after that it's the KDE stuff
[14:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: probably you've got that plasma delay bug
[14:41] <TJ-> that timeout for the swap device might delay things, but everything else in the log doesn't indicate it is doing so
[14:41] <pauljw> TJ-: does 14.04 not have a complete systemd config?  the analyze blame doesn't work for me
[14:42] <BluesKaj> TJ-, damn plasma 5, it's nothing but a mess IMO
[14:42] <TJ-> BluesKaj: "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[14:42] <TJ-> pauljw: introduced in 15.04; 14.04 only uses systemd-login
[14:42] <pauljw> ah, thanks
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , 14.104 is till on plasma 4
[14:43] <BluesKaj> err 14.04 even
[14:43] <TJ-> BluesKaj: yeah, this is 1 of the main reasons I didn't volunteer to work on Kubuntu - I was told by sitter they only do packaging and don't carry bug fixes in the distro - so the entire thing is beholden to upstream
[14:44] <TJ-> And from what I've seen the actual, useful, code is often half-baked and buggy
[14:45] <TJ-> Even stupid amateur things like not remembering the directory a File>Save-As dialog was opened at, which makes the user experience terrible
[14:47] <TJ-> Got frustrated by that one with GwenView earlier, trying to copy individual CCTV capture files from the camera's NFS share
[14:50] <BluesKaj> like I said earlier , seems 14.04 Kubuntu is tha last best
[14:55] <TJ-> I'm not sure the KDE4 apps took care of things like Save-As either. It seems to be the devs are more interesting in glitzy effects than regular good efficient user workflow and experience.
[15:48] <pauljw> brb
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> yes
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> but no
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: yes
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> someone wants a w10 theme :p http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/windows-10-accurate-theme-released-for-almost-all-major-linux-desktops-496831.shtml
[18:09] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  gonna try that in my 16.04 vm
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:10] <MonkeyDust> :)
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> brb laundry
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> re
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: do you have a working eid card reader on ubuntu?
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  no, but a lady in my evening class has one, i'll ask her
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> also for ubuntu
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: tnx, if you can let me know wich type/brand
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> ok
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> thanks
[20:03] <MonkeyDust> she also has working drivers, she said
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: nice, JanC explained me the other day some chip works on ubuntu
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: as we have same country, thought to ask you too :p
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> Belgium, 'the world's most boring country', is on the frontpages again ;-)
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> haha
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> big wafle sales!!!
[20:06] <lotuspsychje> or do you mean another headline ? :p
[20:08] <MonkeyDust> last time was in 1995 or -96, with that child abusing criminal
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[21:17] <lotuspsychje> there was a recent dpkg exploit, everyone update to latest
[21:23] <TJ-> If there any of those 'old style' packages in the archives I'd be surprised, and there's no privilege escalation, only software dev's will generally be using 'dpkg-deb'
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah well i rather keep updated :p
[21:29] <TJ-> agreed, but it's not an OMG! stop everything type of vulnerability. I'm rather suprised more such bugs aren't found in the dpk tooling, the code is a bit ropey from what I've seen
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> my god that motaka enervates me
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> all this repeated questions
[21:33] <TJ-> He's Iranian, and a novice, and dealing with something way beyond his experience with blind trust in us
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> seems like it
[21:34] <TJ-> that's why I focused on getting the remote SSH working via PuTTY, and checking things careful, because the symptoms were so weird. Glad you guys figured out it was an aborted d-r-u
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah ioria got that1 i think
[21:36] <TJ-> it really does explain why the system got into such a strange state. I don't think I've seen a system that didn't regain the greeter GUI when lightdm is restarted.
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats real weird
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> that 2500sec lag in conf
[21:39] <TJ-> times like these I reall mis hands-on
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> remote take-over?
[21:41] <TJ-> being in front of the system for that kind of issue. I've had those described as 'black screen' only to find the monitor has gone DPMS off, or the GPU is driving an imaginary monitor, or the monitor is blinking its out-of-range LED
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah i also like the real system in front of me
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> and find a way in
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> mostly clean install fix alot :p
[21:42] <TJ-> classic one is where there are dual outputs and the user has connected the monitor to the secondary output, but the GPU is driving the first only once the X server starts. Up to them both outputs are getting the console output so its not obvious
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> big thumbs up to the guys that always work over ssh to straighten things out :p
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> i wouldnt like that :p
[21:43] <TJ-> On reason I love linux and the logging; you can almost guarantee finding clues in the logs
[21:44] <TJ-> so remote works even when there's no GUI. Impossible on Windows when the GUI goes funny, or log-ins crash
[21:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[21:45] <TJ-> anyhow... I've got a talking motherboard here with a fault power driver circuit I need to trace
[21:45] <lotuspsychje> ok :p
[22:04] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys
[22:05] <lotuspsychje> boxspring awaiting us
[22:30] <daftykins> ah har freenode has calmed down
[23:19] <daftykins> hey folks \o
[23:19] <daftykins> looks like Kornbluth in Germany took a hit last night, taking me offline!


[18:55] <nickmoeck> douglasawh-work: what about something like teamviewer for remotely connecting? Or perhaps a reverse ssh connection?
[18:57] <nickmoeck> AT&T tech just called me, he said he thinks one or two the T1's going to my area's DSL range extender are down
[18:57] <nickmoeck> which would explain why my internet speed is just fine right now when no one else in the area is home
[22:10] <douglasawh-work> nickmoeck: they are going to be unwilling to spend money and I doubt it's free for corporate use, but I'm looking at it
[22:10] <douglasawh-work> haha
[22:11] <nickmoeck> yeah, you have to pay for corporate use unfortunately
[22:11] <douglasawh-work> they aren't even willing to spend the landscape fees which I think were something like $10, though I could be wrong about the exact #
[22:11] <douglasawh-work> that contract was tied up in legal
[22:12] <douglasawh-work> what I ended up deciding to do was to lock grub and the kernel from updates on the next image
[22:12] <douglasawh-work> which isn't ideal, but better than cutting them off completely
[22:13] <douglasawh-work> grub seem to be pretty effed and I know there was a recent grub update
[22:14] <douglasawh-work> two of our server admins worked on it yesterday for like an hour to no avail
[22:15] <douglasawh-work> one of them really thinks we should use Landscape, so I emailed the man that pulls the purse strings.  I don't see it happening though
[22:24] <douglasawh-work> any idea if this is still true? https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2008-September/073095.html
[22:25] <douglasawh-work> nm, got the answer to that one: https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2008-September/073099.html
[22:25] <douglasawh-work> still don't know how to use it...looking into that
[22:26] <douglasawh-work> nevermind.  that tells you how to do it on the bind side, but says things still need to be set up correctly
[22:26] <douglasawh-work> guess I'll talk to our windows admin
[23:08] <douglasawh-work> looks like I got it working. still fighting with synergy though


[00:23] <BenC> mjg59: we have a list of the exact commits that didn't clear rebase, and that was one of them
[00:24] <BenC> mjg59: list emailed to you
[17:40] <Kano> btw. could someone update gspca? there is a new version out
[17:40] <Kano> http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/gspcav1-20071220.tar.gz


[15:59] <hiniya> hello
[21:15] <Unit193> .twit<PHONE_NUMBER>35875585
[23:23] <dzho> https://twitter.com/alicesperi/status/746074170925035521
[23:23] <jenni> [ Alice Speri on Twitter: "“Last time we heard of anything like this was when Dr. King and J. Edgar Hoover were around.” https://t.co/yiCVNtV6NZ" ] - https://bit.ly/28UgFRO
[23:23] <dzho> (this is not the tweet you requested but oh well)
[23:24] <Unit193> There was some way to do it I think, but lost intereset real quick. :P
[23:33] <Unit193> gilbert: Howdy.  Are you going to OLF this year?
[23:36] <yano> .tw
[23:36] <jenni> “Last time we heard of anything like this was when Dr. King and J. Edgar Hoover were around.” http://interc.pt/28T0xk3 | By: @alicesperi, Date: Thu Jun 23 20:15:18 +0000 2016, RT#: 54, Favs: 30


[11:05] <hilander_> I wanted to say, that I'm proud, having installed my first Unix-System on my computer. ;)
[11:05] <parsnip> sayers: its cool man, i'll dig it up yet
[11:05] <sayers> parsnip: it worked for that folder, do you mean you want a whole nother icon set
[11:05] <encom> help  in coyote
[11:05] <sayers> parsnip: well I've probably done it before
[11:06] <krisx> yes yes every winblows computer should have linux just sso it doesnt rot there brain
[11:07] <parsnip> sayers: i was after changing the background of a folder to the album art of the album the mp3s are from
[11:07] <johnseb__> hi al
[11:07] <johnseb__> all
[11:07] <johnseb__> i need help configuring kdm auto-login on my ubuntu box
[11:08] <johnseb__> i've configured the kdmrc file using the control panel but it changes absolutely nothing
[11:08] <MetaMorfoziS> johnseb__ > you need to check /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[11:08] <newsense_> parsnip: could you make a copy of the folder icon your using add the albu cover to the bg in pimp ?
[11:08] <MetaMorfoziS> and google ( i can't tell more )
[11:08] <sayers> parsnip: oh thats possible, just right click the folder -> properties then press other icons -> browse and click the picture
[11:08] <johnseb__> MetaMorfoziS: yes, that's what i did
[11:08] <newsense_> err gimp
[11:09] <johnseb__> MetaMorfoziS: the problem is that I guess ubuntu starts up with gdm and not kdm
[11:09] <MetaMorfoziS> johnseb__ > then try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:09] <parsnip> newsense_: i'm considering it ;)
[11:09] <MetaMorfoziS> it's asks you for the default login manager
[11:09] <MetaMorfoziS> then select kdm. or what you want.
[11:10] <parsnip> sayers: i'll try it
[11:10] <newsense_> parsnip: sounds like the only way, i know of nmo other way to do it
[11:10] <newsense_> parsnip: kind of a lotta work if ya got a big collection
[11:10] <smallfoot-> Kubuntu will be FUCKING AWESOME with KDE4 :D
[11:11] <PriceChild> smallfoot-, lets watch the language and stay on topic please.
[11:11] <smallfoot-> ok
[11:11] <smallfoot-> KDE 3 sucks
[11:11] <parsnip> newsense_: I need a project :D
[11:11] <smallfoot-> KDE4 is sweet!!!!!
[11:12] <parsnip> smallfoot-: I'm waiting until its released proper
[11:12] <newsense_> parsnip: i might do it too, sounds nice
[11:12] <parsnip> smallfoot-: does look tasty though
[11:12] <sayers> smallfoot-: kde 3 does not suck, if it wernt for kde3 we wouldnt have kde4
[11:12] <PriceChild> !offtopic
[11:12] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:12] <smallfoot-> kde3 its slow as hell, start KDE3 takes like 1 minute to load all stuff
[11:13] <sayers> not really
[11:13] <smallfoot-> and KDE3 looks buttugly
[11:13] <smallfoot-> the blue icons are horrible
[11:13] <smallfoot-> KDE4 with Tango icons will be beautiful
[11:13] <sayers> smallfoot-: Okay please #offtopic
[11:14] <encom> coyote linux info
[11:15] <encom> any
[11:15] <drewcipher__> !coyote
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about coyote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <encom> yes
[11:16] <g011um> hi
[11:16] <sayers> smallfoot-: how would I even install kde4 on Gutsy?
[11:16] <encom> i only  need a proxy cache server
[11:17] <encom> for help  my  broadband
[11:17] <newsense_> sayers: i think its kde4base-dev
[11:17] <igor> hi
[11:17] <satty> Cineva din romania ?
[11:17] <igor> can someone by chance help me with a little beryl problem? :)
[11:19] <igor> the window border dissapears after installing beryl
[11:19] <inaety> igor, i have that error as well...quite annoying
[11:20] <ch40s_> replace --beryl -c emerald &
[11:20] <sayers> newsense_: thats it?
[11:20] <ch40s_> igor:
[11:20] <igor> sec, will try that
[11:20] <m_> helo
[11:20] <ch40s_> try it in run, alt+f2
[11:21] <newsense_> sayers: i believe so
[11:21] <igor> could not run specified command
[11:21] <ch40s_> errr
[11:21] <igor> in console it gives "[1]  11899"
[11:21] <ch40s_> beryl --replace -c emerald &
[11:21] <ch40s_> in alt+f2
[11:21] <newsense_> sayers: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[11:22] <igor> hmmm something happened, :)
[11:22] <igor> but dint solve the problem
[11:22] <igor> only made thigns slower :)
[11:22] <igor> i havent setup emerald yet
[11:22] <igor> maybe that's why
[11:23] <ch40s_> oh well emerald is gonna be your window borders
[11:23] <igor> hmm
[11:24] <smallfoot-> KDE3 sucks, cuz it has legacy qt3, it has blue ugly icons, and it uses Konqueror as a file manager
[11:24] <smallfoot-> KDE4 will be awesome, cuz it uses qt4, has nice tango icons, and uses Dolphin as file manager
[11:24] <smallfoot-> make the bootloader fail-safe
[11:25] <sayers> smallfoot-: First of all please go to offtopic youve said this 1000 times and you can change the icons, and dolphin isnt that nice.
[11:25] <newsense_> sayers: thank you, lol
[11:25] <holycow> hey guys
[11:25] <holycow> anyone know how to remove all gnome desktop related components at once?
[11:26] <sayers> do a fresh install of kubuntu?
[11:26] <igor> emerald is seriously resisting any attempts to set it up
[11:26] <inaety> holycow: maybe "sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop"
[11:26] <holycow> sayers: too much work
[11:26] <holycow> inaety: aptitude does recursive uninstalls? really?
[11:26] <holycow> sweet, thx
[11:26] <inaety> holycow: oh no
[11:26] <inaety> idk
[11:27] <inaety> but it should remove the meta package of ubuntu-deskto
[11:27] <inaety> p
[11:27] <parsnip> sayers: its working. The folders look ace
[11:27] <holycow> thats totally usefull
[11:27] <sayers> holycow: aptitude is a lot better than apps for when packages break
[11:27] <holycow> ;)
[11:27] <sayers> parsnip: great
[11:27] <holycow> i thought there was some apt command that checked all metapackage pullins and reversed that
[11:29] <igor> ch40s: doenst work :(
[11:29] <ch40s> have u tried loading compiz?
[11:29] <igor> borders still dissapear
[11:29] <igor> i tried compiz fusion
[11:29] <kofany> i start kubuntu in rescue mode can somebody tell me how istall drivers for geforce?
[11:30] <inaety> !nvidia
[11:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:30] <ch40s> hrm, i dunno
[11:30] <kofany> yh,
[11:30] <igor> ch40s mind if we talk in another window?
[11:30] <ch40s> ive only used compiz and beryl in ubuntu fiesty
[11:30] <ch40s> nope
[11:30] <igor> sec, need to register
[11:31] <Aondo> what was that name for the new spell checker in kde4? memory is a bitch :P
[11:32] <igor_> bah, all nicks taken :)
[11:32] <ch40s> !beryl
[11:32] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:32] <ch40s> !compiz
[11:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:33] <igor_s> was it beryl --replace --c emerald &?
[11:34] <ch40s> -c
[11:34] <newsense_> !dolphin
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dolphin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <jhutchins> Aondo: Dunno, #kubuntu is still on 3.5.7.  Try #kde.
[11:37] <Minataku> Hm
[11:38] <Minataku> What are these strange new device entries?
[11:38] <Minataku> I've got "1-3" "2-3" "5-1" "5-1.1"
[11:38] <mikko> hm, how can i set myself right to actually do something with my other hdd?
[11:39] <mikko> this doesnt make any sense to me ._.
[11:41] <Minataku> Oh
[11:41] <Minataku> They're USB devices
[11:41] <Minataku> Okay
[11:41] <Minataku> lol
[11:53] <CppIsWeird> i was looking at the System Properties window and noticed that I have a constant stream of 700-1000 b/s coming in. How do i track down what application is recieveing this data?
[11:54] <Savak> brb
[11:55] <meuhlol> Someone can help me to restore my GRUB step by step please? I'm currently on LiveCD
[11:55] <jbrouhard> flaccid: I finally fixed the problem.  Tho i had to use an app called "KillDisk" to destroy any and all data on the SATA drive :(
[11:56] <Kiry> Hello !
[11:57] <Kiry> Can someone help me ?
[11:57] <CppIsWeird> you're 4th in line.
[11:57] <CppIsWeird> :P
[11:58] <Kiry> I just want to get the original design of logout window of KDE
[12:02] <encom> #ubuntu-es
[12:03] <Kiry> Nobody can tell me how to do ? :(
[12:03] <ScorpKing> i've tried qtparted and partlogic but neither can resize my ext3 partitions. :( any ideas?
[12:03] <CppIsWeird> ScorpKing, dont resize.
[12:04] <ScorpKing> i have to
[12:04] <CppIsWeird> i dont believe you
[12:04] <ScorpKing> 20 mb free
[12:04] <ScorpKing> on / and 4.5 gb on home
[12:05] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: You can't resize the disk you're booted from.
[12:05] <ScorpKing> i know
[12:05] <ScorpKing> used kubuntu live cd and partlogic boot cd
[12:07] <newsense> after i install kde4, what config file do i need to dit to be able to switch between kde3,kde4 ?
[12:07] <ScorpKing> the kubuntu cd used the swap. i turned it off and deleted the swap partition but the resize option stayed unavailable
[12:07] <CppIsWeird> How can i track down what application is recieveing data over the internet at any given time??
[12:07] <newsense> kdm config?
[12:08] <newsense> netstat ?
[12:08] <CppIsWeird> so far as i know, that just lists current applications
[12:08] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: Well I guess just use fdisk & restore your backups.
[12:08] <newsense> CppIsWeird: netstat -a | grep "app name" ?
[12:08] <ScorpKing> :(
[12:09] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: Often faster than resizing a partition with data anyway.
[12:09] <jhutchins> ScorpKing: Don't tell me you're messing with the partition table and you don't have backups?
[12:10] <ScorpKing> ya i suppose. still dont like the idea. i like my current setup. i made backups.:)
[12:10] <newsense> after i install kde4, what config file do i need to edit to be able to switch between kde3,kde4 ?
[12:10] <ScorpKing> will reinstall tomorrow :(
[12:10] <CppIsWeird> newsense, still doesnt tell me what the active transfer rate is. I've been watching System Monitor when i was supposed to have any internet activity, i've had nothing running, and i've had a constant stream of 700-1000 b/s for the last few hours atlest.
[12:10] <jhutchins> newsense: #kubuntu is still kde 3.5.7.  How you switch depends on how you installed.
[12:11] <newsense> jhutchins: i instlled kde4base-dev via apt
[12:11] <ScorpKing> won't snort or ethereal be able to monitor network traffic? never used it.
[12:12] <CppIsWeird> *not supposed to have
[12:13] <CppIsWeird> what does this mean?ethereal - dummy upgrade package for ethereal -> wireshark
[12:15] <emilsedgh> newsense: you could launch apps from /usr/lib/kde4/bin
[12:15] <newsense> emilsedgh: thanks
[12:15] <emilsedgh> newsense: do not except too much from it...
[12:16] <CppIsWeird> ok, i've got another great question for ya. how come no internet applications will work on my linux box now (dont know why, wireless is up and kicking) however system properties is still reporting traffic.
[12:16] <newsense> emilsedgh: thanks again, exactly what i wanted
[12:16] <emilsedgh> np newsense
[12:18] <newsense> wow, dolphin is pretty nice, ive heard nothing but ad things about it in here
[12:18] <dwidmann> CppIsWeird: maybe it's related to a bug in kdenetworkmanager ... there's a bug where if it's running no kde-apps can see the net.
[12:19] <CppIsWeird> not even kde specific apps. apt-get failed to connect to the internet
[12:19] <CppIsWeird> firefox
[12:19] <CppIsWeird> aswell
[12:19] <ScorpKing> CpplsWeird: using 3g?
[12:19] <CppIsWeird> which is strange because a virtual machine running on the box is accessing the internet just fine
[12:19] <CppIsWeird> dont know what 3g is
[12:20] <ScorpKing> cellphone internet.
[12:20] <CppIsWeird> no, broadband
[12:20] <atomicpotato> newsense, nothing but bad things? Well, my main gripe is that it doesn't have a tree view or any kind of previewing ability.
[12:20] <ScorpKing> maybe it's dns.
[12:21] <dave_> hey ..somebody speak french and can help me with kubuntu
[12:21] <emilsedgh> atomicpotato: It has
[12:21] <newsense> looks cool though, avent looked at functionality yet
[12:21] <atomicpotato> where
[12:21] <emilsedgh> !fr -> dave_
[12:21] <dave_> ???
[12:21] <atomicpotato> emilsedgh, if it does, I'm not seeing it.
[12:21] <atomicpotato> Where?
[12:21] <CppIsWeird> scorpking, how could it be if a virtual machine on the same linux box is getting internet?
[12:22] <emilsedgh> atomicpotato: TreeeView is new, will see it in Beta2 packages, Preview is there from kde 3.x version...
[12:22] <atomicpotato> ok
[12:22] <paul_semaganda> Hi I have a quick question about running a C program on ubuntu after compiling it with gcc can some one help
[12:22] <Biovore> CppIsWeird: route -n
[12:22] <ScorpKing> CpplsWeird: it might still have the dns cache. i don't really know.
[12:23] <newsense> paul_semaganda: whats the question?
[12:23] <Savak> Firewall..?
[12:23] <paul_semaganda> I have compiled a C program using gcc but I don't know how to run it
[12:24] <emilsedgh> paul_semaganda: dont ask to ask, just ask, please
[12:24] <CppIsWeird> Biovore, what exactly is this supposed to tell me?
[12:24] <newsense> paul_semaganda: ./programname
[12:24] <emilsedgh> paul_semaganda: there should be a file named something.out (I think)
[12:24] <Kiry> Who can tell me how restore original KDE logout window on Kubuntu ? Please :)
[12:25] <Biovore> CppIsWeird: your routing tables.. does your box know how to get to the internet.. can you ping your default gw?
[12:25] <paul_semaganda> this is how I compiled it gcc -o error erro.c
[12:26] <Biovore> ok  so it made something called "error"  to run..  ./error
[12:26] <paul_semaganda> I have been using gcc on cygwin and all I have to do is to run the exe file
[12:26] <emilsedgh> Kiry: how did you change it?
[12:26] <Biovore> paul_semaganda: same idea here..
[12:26] <Kiry> I didn't change it, I don't like a lot the Kubuntu one, and I want the original KDE one
[12:26] <paul_semaganda> not it said there is no such command when typed error
[12:27] <newsense> paul_semaganda: ./programname
[12:27] <Biovore> when you ls do you see the file you want to run?
[12:27] <newsense> paul_semaganda: if in the same directory the program is in
[12:27] <CppIsWeird> Biovore, 99% of the time my internet and all net activities work just fine, this behavior only happens like once a week.
[12:28] <CppIsWeird> so far for reasons i cannot correlate to be the cause
[12:28] <Biovore> knetwork manager?
[12:28] <Kiry> emilsedgh: any idea ?
[12:28] <CppIsWeird> what about it?
[12:28] <Biovore> does weird thing sometimes..
[12:28] <paul_semaganda> thank you guys ./progname works
[12:28] <newsense> paul_semaganda: np
[12:29] <CppIsWeird> well im using gnome atm, i installed gnome just to see if it was kde related, because i herd of a few of those kde things.
[12:29] <emilsedgh> Kiry: I think you should find the files that are changin it, if they are only configuration files, then you should replace them by KDE's Default files, else, it will be a little hard
[12:29] <CppIsWeird> so far, same thing.
[12:30] <Kiry> T_T
[12:31] <Biovore> CppIsWeird: well All I can say for sure is that if your IP/Netmask, Default Route, /etc/resolv.conf, and phyical attachments are all correct.. then it should work..
[12:31] <Biovore> one of those has to be the root of the problem..
[12:32] <paul_semaganda> any one know how to install playback plugins for lastfm in rythmbox music player
[12:32] <emilsedgh> Kiry: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+3.5.x+Alternate+logout?content=58881&PHPSESSID=b98ab5b338f4db9fc245fe1bb4c0567e
[12:33] <emilsedgh> paul_semaganda: rythmbox? man this is the Kubuntu channel, most of people are AmaroK Users...
[12:33] <Kiry> oh thanks emilsedgh :
[12:33] <CppIsWeird> biovore, i've checked them all, even then, none of those to my knowledge would be the cause of internet randomly going out. its not like i booted and it never worked, i just at some point in time decided to say screw the world and not allow anything on linux to connect to the internet.
[12:33] <CppIsWeird> and as I said, my virtual machine running is accessing the internet just fine, which would further cancle out those as problems
[12:34] <emilsedgh> Kiry: read the description...
[12:34] <Biovore> CppIsWeird: all the cancels out the physical interface.. dosn't rule out IP/Netmask or default route..
[12:34] <Biovore> or /etc/resolv.conf
[12:36] <ScorpKing> if you have more than one network device or dhcp server the one that get dns last will set it's dns to default which might cause some connection problems.
[12:36] <Kiry> emilsedgh: it works, thank you al ot
[12:37] <Kiry> a lot*
[12:37] <emilsedgh> np Kiry


[05:51] <Len-live> astraljava, todays ISO has devices again.
[06:20] <astraljava> Len-live: Yep, see lp: #1014632 for details.
[06:20] <astraljava> bug #1014632
[06:21] <Len-live> I will mark my bug as a dup
[06:21] <Len-live> Thanks
[06:22] <astraljava> Thanks for confirming.
[06:22] <Len-live> No problem.
[06:38] <Len-live> Bug #1016978  is now marked as a dup of Bug #1014632
[06:58] <astraljava> len-1210: We just need to make sure that udisks2 gets installed if we decide to drop thunar.
[06:58] <len-1210> Hmm, software center does not show ubuntustudio meta packages
[06:59] <len-1210> astraljava, ok... I'll remember (I hope)
[06:59] <len-1210> We should probably just seed it
[07:02] <len-1210> astraljava, The other bug I mentioned the other day about utils-linux may affect udisks2 as well. but it sounds like it should get fixed. Its in progress.
[07:03] <len-1210> with regard to software center vs synaptic. SW center does not show the ubuntustudio metas.
[07:04] <len-1210> I wonder what else it doesn't show.
[20:33] <scott-work> ack, is libgnome-desktop-3-4 a gnome3 package?
[20:34] <scott-work> oh, sorry, it was gnome-desktop3-data
[20:35] <scott-work> ah, i bet it's a multi-arch problem which is going to only affect the amd64 image
[20:55] <micahg> scott-work: well, it's amd64 only, but it's based on archive skew, not multiarch issues, and the builds should have finished now
[20:55] <scott-work> micahg: ah, okay, thanks :)
[22:03] <len-dt> scott-work, I have had an idea to do with loading workflow software.
[22:04] <len-dt> scott-work, I have heard the idea of ubiquity plugins to do that, but am thinking that ubiquity is mostly a file copy program and not a package installer.
[22:04] <scott-work> len-dt: astraljava has worked on a ubiquity plugin to get the workflows installed based on seeds
[22:05] <len-dt> scott-work, I was looking at the software center button on the menu and wondered if that would be better.
[22:05] <len-dt> scott-work, ubiquity gets uninstalled after it has doen its work
[22:06] <scott-work> ah, you mean after installation of the OS
[22:06] <scott-work> i think i understand better now
[22:06] <len-dt> so while it would be useful for choosing what to install at ISO install time that would work
[22:07] <len-dt> software center can be started with a set list of software
[22:08] <scott-work> len-dt: i had given thought to an app that would help people install the work flows and maybe even help them start them as well
[22:08] <len-dt> scott-work, So instead of just a SW center button there could be a submenu with different ways of starting the software center
[22:08] <scott-work> len-dt: interesting, so making it a menu entry...very different
[22:09] <scott-work> i need to go get kids in a minute
[22:09] <len-dt> The only problem I have had so far is having it show meta packages.
[22:09] <len-dt> No prob.
[22:09] <scott-work> i had a celeron computer set up for irc upstairs and it crapped out and died on me :(
[22:09] <scott-work> now i have to find another solution for keeping irc on at the house
[22:10] <len-dt> 486dx100
[22:10] <scott-work> i have an idea for one that i might set up tonight in the interim
[22:10] <scott-work> lol
[22:10] <len-dt> text of course.
[22:10] <scott-work> heh, actually i have USFF dell dual core 2.xghz machine i was going to use instead for now
[22:10] <scott-work> i figure that would actually generate less heat that any of the 486's i have
[22:11] <len-dt> I think the atom based MB are the best for low heat/noise/power use


[09:50] <KennyTalker> Foreskin Amputation-History & Ramifications [Urban Jungle Girl]
[09:50] <KennyTalker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYIC0uIKhsk
[09:51] <ikonia> ?
[09:53] <k1l> removed the forward on that ban.
[16:00] <jair> hello there
[16:00] <Pici> hello, what can we help you with today jair?
[16:03] <jair> may I understand why I am getting this:
[16:03] <jair> 00:50 -!- #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
[16:03] <jair> when I try to chat in #ubuntu
[16:04] <Pici> let me take a look...
[16:04] <jair> thank you
[16:05] <Pici> jair: It looks like the last time you were here you were trying to get help for debian in #ubuntu
[16:07] <Pici> jair: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu support only. There are other channels on freenode like #debian or ##linux for asking about other distros.
[16:08] <jair> understood
[16:08] <jair> I thought I then exited the room
[16:08] <jair> I remember somone asking me about it
[16:10] <Pici> jair: okay, just keep that in mind in the future and we should be good.  I've gone ahead and removed the mute.
[16:11] <jair> sounds good thank you very much
[16:11] <jair> and no problem I understand the rules
[16:11] <jair> have a good one
[16:12] <jair> Thank you so very much