[11:20] <ikonia> ?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> !vbox | soheil
[11:21] <th__72> hi
[11:34] <feodoran> one of my screens remains black even though it works during boot (and on windows). it worked just fine when I installed ubuntu. the other screen works just fine. what can I check for?
[11:34] <cfhowlett> xrandr something or other feodoran
[11:35] <Anthaas> What is the easiest way to take the contents of a machine running Ubuntu and clone it to a VM (VirtualBox for example)
[11:37] <feodoran> cfhowlett: if I try to enable the screen in the settings it just stays black
[11:37] <hateball> !clone | Anthaas
[11:37] <hateball> no
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !clone | Anthaas
[11:37] <cfhowlett> !cloning
[11:37] <hateball> Anthaas: I'd use clonezilla, personally
[11:38] <th___72> hi
[11:40] <Speiros> th___72 Hi:)  How's your computer going?  Well, how are you going too...
[11:40] <Speiros> lo;l
[11:40] <Anthaas> hateball: Limitations of Clonezilla - the destination partition must be equal or larger than the source one. The source in my case is the machine Im on - its the whole machine - on the destination it will be a VM...
[11:41] <Speiros> Anthaas Does that mean that your computer you're putting these things on is smaller than the partition you have already?
[11:41] <Anthaas> Well, its a VM so I would assume that is naturally the case?
[11:41] <hateball> Anthaas: you can resize your partitions prior to cloning. there's advanced flags to ignore the size limit as well, as long as the data fits
[11:41] <ikonia> Anthaas: you can use disk images of a certain format to act as a virtual disk for a vm
[11:41] <ikonia> Anthaas: you'll always have to make a few changed, eg: mac address on the nic
[11:41] <hateball> that's also an option
[11:42] <Speiros> hateball's got it:)
[11:43] <Speiros> Anthaas I didn't understand how a person could in a very broad and rough explanation "cut and paste" as such into a smaller filesize.
[11:44] <IhrFussel> My root server installation now asks me about the partition...if I only choose / will I still have /home as folder? It gives me the options "only /" "/ and /home" "/ /home and /var" ... do I need to choose the one containing /home for it to create the user folders?
[11:44] <mcphail> IhrFussel: no
[11:44] <ikonia> IhrFussel: home is a directory
[11:45] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you need to stop calling it a "root" server as that means nothing to anyone other than you, and just adds confusion
[11:45] <Anthaas> apt-clone just copies packages right, nothing in the filesystem (Documents, etc...)
[11:45] <ikonia> Anthaas: correct
[11:45] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, you might consider taking this to #ubuntu-server.
[11:45] <mcphail> IhrFussel: unless you have a reason to create separate partitions, you can stick to a simple "/" partition. All the needed directories will be made
[11:47] <IhrFussel> mcphail, okay then I'll just stick with / partition..thanks
[11:47] <IhrFussel> ikonia, the hoster advertises it as "Root Server Linux D100"
[11:48] <ikonia> IhrFussel: it means nothing to anyone
[11:48] <Speiros> Why IS that an option?  What is the reason why when partitioning a drive, the name is for a certain sub alternative as well as "/"?
[11:48] <k1l> IhrFussel: that is more of a marketing name. root server could mean that its not a virtualized server. but that is not important for that partitioning.
[11:49] <hateball> !fhs | Speiros
[11:49] <IhrFussel> k1l, yep they mean a dedicated server that you don't share with other customers
[11:49] <Speiros> hateball Thanks man.
[11:49] <hateball> Speiros: one reason is that you dont want to grind the system to a halt if some directory like /var gets full, for instance
[11:50] <ikonia> thats pretty much one of the best examples you could see
[11:50] <hateball> Speiros: putting /home on its own partition is nice for reinstalling, since you dont have to backup/restore user data
[11:51] <Speiros> hateball Aah, okay.  So similar to having the files on a separate drive, except partitioned...I'm slow, but steady I think.
[11:52] <hateball> Well you couldnt really keep files on another drive without it having partitions either
[11:52] <hawa> this works `sudo tail /var/log/auth.log -n 30 -f | grep -i <searchword>`, this doesnt `sudo tail /var/log/auth.log -n 30 -f | grep -i <searchword> | tee -a outputfile`
[11:53] <hateball> hawa: and where is outputfile?
[11:53] <hawa> in my home folder
[11:53] <hateball> also you can read auth.log without using sudo
[11:54] <hawa> okay. thanks
[11:54] <hawa> but why isnt writing to file not working.
[11:54] <hawa> hateball, third level pipe is not working for anything
[11:54] <Speiros> hateball Nice.
[12:00]  * Speiros is away: He's off breaking something, probably!!
[12:06]  * Speiros is back (gone 00:05:59)
[12:12] <red_> hey everyone
[12:12] <Speiros> :)
[12:13] <red_> how do I add items to the top bar in Ubuntu 16.10?
[12:13] <red_> I want to add CPU temperature to it...
[12:13] <Speiros> red_ You can drag them from the search button to the bar after they're downloaded.
[12:14] <k1l> red_: you can use indicators
[12:14] <k1l> red_: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[12:14] <Speiros> red_ Then you can lock them by right-clicking and selecting that option.
[12:15] <red_> k1l, ty, was reading that.
[12:15] <Speiros> * looks as he realises he might be in the wrong ball-park...:\
[12:16] <k1l> Speiros: the standard ubuntu got unity as desktop.
[12:17] <red_> k1l, any indicators that you personally use/recommend?
[12:17] <red_> also, is it possible to correctly determine whether laptop is overheating, from the values shwn in such applets?
[12:18] <cfhowlett> !sensors | red_
[12:19] <red_> cfhowlett, i've installed it already, but how to enable then? running `lm-sensors &` in terminal didn't do it.
[12:19] <red_> ow, netsplit.
[12:19] <k1l> red_: well, that is a personal thing. but i use sshplus, radiotray, system load indicator, hardware sensor indicator, my weather indicator, cpufreq, caffein, redshift,  and others
[12:20] <Ben64> k1l: weather works for you? it stopped for me months ago
[12:20] <red_> k1l, all those in that AU link before?
[12:20] <k1l> Ben64: there are 2 indicators, the my-weather-indicator works for me.
[12:20] <k1l> red_: yes. just look at the answers and read the descriptions. its a very good overview
[12:21] <Speiros> What causes all these people to drop out and then re-sign in?
[12:21] <Firefly67> netsplit?
[12:21] <k1l> !netsplit
[12:21] <Ben64> Speiros: irc server issues
[12:22] <cfhowlett> !quietirc | Speiros,
[12:23] <Speiros> cfhowlett Thanks:)
[12:23] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:25] <Firefly67> I have some questions about partitioning a disk to install Ubuntu with Windows. Can I ask here, is there anyone around familiar with this?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> !dualboot | Firefly67
[12:25] <cfhowlett> read first, then ask
[12:26] <Firefly67> I have read, I have made a recovery image of Windows and a live Ubuntu USB, now I am wondering how to assign space to Windows and Linux
[12:27] <Firefly67> I followed these instructions: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-alongside.html
[12:27] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, depends on how much data you expect to have on your #buntu. a basic no frills/no data = about 15 gb
[12:27] <red_> k1l, ppa:alexmurray/indicator-sensors this one works for you?
[12:28] <k1l> red_: the "my-weather-indicator"
[12:28] <k1l> red_: there are other weather indicators. so please look carefully
[12:28] <Conner05> I just got an SSD and installed it in my Dell 7559 laptop. I now have a HDD and SSD. I want to install Ubuntu on the SSD and use it as my primary machine. Do I need to change from AHCI to ATA?
[12:29] <hateball> Firefly67: Do you mean you are unsure how much space to assign to each? Because the Ubuntu installer will do the partitioning itself, assigning 50% to each OS by default iirc
[12:29] <Firefly67> I have a 256 GB SSD, only 221 GB seems available (18 GB is taken up by recovery drive(?), not sure what that is). Windows is currently taking up 108 GB. I intend to use Ubuntu primarily, Windows only to make powerpoint presentations.
[12:29] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, 50/50
[12:29] <red_> k1l, you mentioned hardware sensor indicator...
[12:29] <Firefly67> cfhowlett, hateball, according to my tutorial, I shrink the space in Windows first
[12:30] <cfhowlett> true
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: That's advisable yes, if you want to use that space in Ubuntu instead
[12:30] <IhrFussel> Will "adduser" create the home folder in /home by default?
[12:30] <k1l> red_: i just mentioned things that are named on the askubuntu link
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: Altho you can always resize things later on should you like
[12:30] <hateball> Firefly67: Can be good to keep that in mind
[12:30] <red_> k1l, <k1l> red_: well, that is a personal thing. but i use sshplus, radiotray, system load indicator, hardware sensor indicator, my weather indicator, cpufreq, caffein, redshift,  and others
[12:30] <red_> I meant this...
[12:31] <Firefly67> are there any guidelines? I have read variously that you must have at least 10 GB more on Windows than it is currently taking up, elsewhere I read you must allocate 10% more space than it is currently taking up, to prevent fragmentation.
[12:31] <hateball> Firefly67: Not much you can do to prevent fragmentation on NTFS anyway. Not that it matters much in the day of SSD anyhow
[12:32] <k1l> red_: yes, everything i said, you can find on that askubuntu page
[12:32] <red_> k1l, yes, but that PPA listed is 404
[12:33] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, split your available HDD in half.
[12:33] <red_> last build for hardware sensor indcator was 2 years ago, https://launchpad.net/~alexmurray/+archive/ubuntu/indicator-sensors
[12:33] <zamanf> how can I access the music library of my iPhone?
[12:33] <Ben64> k1l: so it seems like the api has changed and it doesn't work by default anymore (at least on 14.04)
[12:33] <zamanf> I tried amarok and banshee it doesnt recongnise it
[12:33] <cfhowlett> mtp zamanf - hopefully
[12:33] <k1l> red_: you are right. its outdated. but i still have that on my machine, since its way older than 2 years
[12:34] <red_> so old k1l ;p
[12:34] <k1l> Ben64: yes, there were some updates. maybe you need to change to another data provider. i use yahoo in the settings
[12:34] <Firefly67> cfhowlett, my SDD has 221 GB available, Windows already is 108 GB big, 1/2 would 110 GB which according to what I have read is inadvisable because it doesn't leave at least 10 GB additional space for Windows
[12:34] <zamanf> mtp?
[12:34] <red_> im on bleeding edge ubuntu :P
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !itunes | zamanf,
[12:34] <ikonia> red_: what is vleeding edge ubuntu
[12:34] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, fine.  75/25
[12:34] <k1l> red_: i am using 16.10. this machine was upgraded since many years
[12:34] <ikonia> red_: do you mean the 17.04 pre-release ?
[12:34] <zamanf> !players
[12:35] <red_> ikonia, please go easy on me, i was only kidding -_-
[12:35] <zamanf> cfhowlett, I installed banshee. I can't see my iphone there
[12:35] <cfhowlett> zamanf, and you might not.  apple deliberately makes it a huge PITA to use anything other than Apple with their products
[12:36] <red_> k1l, any way I can install it? by downloading the package and using dpkg?
[12:36] <cfhowlett> zamanf, I gave up, put a basic windows install in a virtualbox, added itunes and manage things from there
[12:36] <k1l> red_: i dont know if that works. maybe you can ask the ppa maintainer if he will make new builds
[12:36] <Firefly67> I want to allocate enough to Windows, but since it won't be my primary OS, not too much. I was thinking 125 GB for Windows, 96 GB for Linux - does that sound reasonable? Currently Windows is taking up 108 GB, and I have 221 GB to partition.
[12:36] <zamanf> I see
[12:37] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, more than adequate
[12:37] <red_> k1l, i don't understand how yours didn't break when you upgraded?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, OR ...
[12:38] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, keep your current windows, install virtualbox, install a light *buntu to the box; Lubuntu or Xubuntu.  Learn the system and get a feel for just how much space you're likely to need in a proper dual boot.
[12:39] <hateball> Firefly67: Or do the opposite, backup your data, install Ubuntu on full disk and run Windows in a VM or Powerpoint in Wine if that's all you need it for :D
[12:39] <hateball> there are many options.
[12:41] <Firefly67> ok, I will do the simplest, just partition it. I am doing this for the first time, so want to keep it simple
[12:42] <Firefly67> also, once I install Ubuntu from the live USB, am I done, or do I have to do some partitioning on Ubuntu too? I hear of people allocation swap memory(?) and such
[12:42] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, use the ubuntu autopartition
[12:44] <Firefly67> the tutorial says " By default the Ubuntu installer will create an ext4 partition for Ubuntu and all of your personal files and a swap partition used for swapping idle processes when memory gets low."
[12:44] <Firefly67> so is this taken care of by the Ubuntu installation, it does it smartly by itself and I don't have to worry about how much swap space it allocates?
[12:44] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, yes.
[12:44] <Firefly67> ok
[12:45] <cfhowlett> also another good reason to practice first with a vbox before committing to a dual boot
[12:45] <Firefly67> and will it come with the directory structure already there - /usr, /local, /bin, /home, etc.?
[12:45] <hateball> Firefly67: Yes.
[12:45] <Firefly67> ok, and emacs, latex already pre-installed?
[12:46] <hateball> No.
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, nope, but easily addded
[12:46] <Firefly67> ok, with sudo apt-get?
[12:46] <hateball> Or a graphical package manager of choice, yes
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, sudo apt or via the gnome software center
[12:46] <Firefly67> ok
[12:47] <littlejames> App Grid is good choice
[12:47] <littlejames> maybe
[12:48] <Firefly67> on my current (old) laptop I see "software and updates" - is that where I install emacs, python, latex from?
[12:48] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, depends on the ubuntu version
[12:49] <Firefly67> I am on 14 now, will install 16 on the new laptop
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, nope.  things are changed in 16.40 which you should get
[12:49] <littlejames>  sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:appgrid/stable
[12:49] <littlejames>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install appgrid
[12:50] <cyphix> How do I check if a given module is currently loaded?
[12:50] <cfhowlett> littlejames, this aint' the terminal, amigo
[12:50] <Ben64> cyphix: lsmod
[12:50] <Firefly67> ok, I will think about that once I get Ubuntu installed first
[12:51] <cyphix> Ben64: I see the output, but I can't interpret it. If a module has a 0 as a last info, does it mean it's not loaded?
[12:51] <Ben64> lsmod lists loaded modules
[12:51] <cyphix> ah ok
[12:53] <cyphix> My toshiba laptop does not wake up from sleep mode anymore. What should I look for in my investigation?
[12:55] <Speiros> cyphix When you shut it down and restart it, it works?
[12:55] <web_212> what does it mean when the url starts with "dl"?
[12:57] <cyphix> Speiros: Yes. The problem only occurs when I put it to sleep. Then, when I try to wake it up, it stays black. I have to hold the power button to shut it down, and restart it. Every time.
[12:57] <cfhowlett> web_212, no context = no answers.  try being less ... vague
[12:57] <Speiros> cyphix To start with, you could turn sleep mode off.  I know it's not the solution, but it would mean you have to physically turn it off consciously.  Does it do it when you log off too?
[12:58] <web_212> there's specific website that starts out with the url "dl". I'm wondering what that means cyphix
[12:58] <Speiros> web_212 Can you type the whole link, including the http:// bit?
[12:58] <cyphix> Speiros: Logging off/on works fine too
[12:59] <web_212> http://dl.vahidfilm.com/Serial/Friends/
[12:59] <Firefly67> someone here said it is possible to resize partitions later if my needs change. Is that a complicated process? I guess it would mean transferring files from one OS to another or something like that, which sounds complicated?
[12:59] <cyphix> Speiros: I'll try with an older kernel
[12:59] <cfhowlett> Firefly67, not trivial but do-able
[12:59] <Speiros> web_212 It's probably a language thing, or separated page from vahidfilm.com
[12:59] <cfhowlett> web_212, did you open the site
[12:59] <ioria> dl = download ?
[12:59] <web_212> ioria probably, yeah
[13:00] <ioria> yep
[13:00] <Speiros> cyphix Yeah, fair enough.  I'd be turning it off for the time being, but still, it's a security issue if you forget to log off in the meantime.
[13:00] <Speiros> ioria True!  dl...makes sense regarding movies.
[13:00] <ioria> yup
[13:01] <cyphix> Speiros: I realize I can connect to it through ssh. So it's "working", it simply remains black
[13:01] <cyphix> (when I wake it up)
[13:02] <ioria> cyphix, it stays black or it does not wake at all ?
[13:02] <Speiros> cyphix  That's strange that.  I don't know what it could be.
[13:03] <cyphix> ioria: the screen stays black. But I can operate on it through ssh
[13:04] <ioria> cyphix, try to switch to console and back to gui (ctrl+alt+fx)
[13:04] <hateball> cyphix: nvidia driver?
[13:05] <cyphix> ioria: I just tried it, it does not help
[13:05] <cyphix> how do I select which kernel to use at start up?
[13:06] <cyphix> hateball, I should check, but I don't think it uses nvidia
[13:06] <cyphix> it's an old toshiba
[13:07] <ioria> cyphix, grub -> advanced options
[13:07] <cyphix> ioria: I don't see the grup options at startup...
[13:08] <hateball> cyphix: hold/hammer left shift
[13:09] <fub> Any recommendations for a good password manager? Keepassx has no/bad browser integration and keepass2 is just an ugly ported .NET app :/
[13:09] <hateball> cyphix: during bootup that is. I should be more clear
[13:10] <ioria> cyphix, edit /etc/default/grub and comment GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 with a '#' and run sudo update-grub
[13:12] <maxime__> Hello, i have a question regarding a fresh ubuntu installation
[13:12] <cfhowlett> ask, maxime__
[13:14] <maxime__> I just received a new laptop with ubuntu preinstalled. I start it up and I get a setup screen. I fail to enter the correct wifi password, decide to do it later and press 'Cancel'. It then went to a temporary 'Guest' user. How do i restart the setup process? Thank you
[13:14] <cfhowlett> maxime__, reboot
[13:14] <maxime__> I tried restarting it, but it automatically goes back to the login screen with only a guest user.
[13:16] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I tried restarting it, but it automatically goes back to the login screen with only a guest user.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> maxime__, contact your seller / manufacturer
[13:18] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'll do that then. thank you for your time.
[13:18] <Speiros> maxime__ cfhowlett has good advice, as it's still under warranty.
[13:18] <ioria> maxime__, did you create a user ?
[13:18] <maxime__> ioria: I never created a user no
[13:19] <Speiros> maxime__ What are you looking to do?
[13:19] <ioria> maxime__,  so.... no other option then Guest account...
[13:20] <maxime__> Speiros: Just installing and setting up the computer. It went out of the main setup screen and i'm looking for that to reopen/restart...
[13:20] <ioria> maxime__,  no experience with preinstalled stuff, but maybe you can restart the configuration setup
[13:21] <ioria> maxime__,   usually ubuntu is configured by the user himself during the install process
[13:21] <Speiros> maxime__ Yes, it's best off seeing the manufacturer if it's still under warranty.
[13:22] <maxime__> Speiros, ioria, I was trying to do it myself but indeed, i need that first configuring screen again. Can't find it anywhere in google thou...
[13:23] <ioria> maxime__,   what  pc is that ?
[13:23] <marekw2143> hi, which terminal app can you suggeswt
[13:23] <ripper17> hi all, I can't play mp4 videos in firefox on Ubuntu 14.04 , even though gstreamer1.0-libav and gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg are installed (which is the solution that a google-search suggested) - any more ideas?
[13:23] <marekw2143> to easily navigate between tabs
[13:23] <maxime__> ioria: It's a new Dell xps 13
[13:24] <elh9> marekw2143, yakuake
[13:24] <cfhowlett> maxime__, do not muck around if you do not know precisely what you are doing!  take this to the dell support forums, twitter and facebook
[13:25] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'm trying to contact them right now through their site and facebook.
[13:25] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I got more response via twitter
[13:26] <cfhowlett> #dellcares
[13:26] <maxime__> cfhowlett: Ow, ok. I'll try that then, thankyou :)
[13:26] <cfhowlett> happ2help!
[13:26] <hateball> maxime__: dunno if this is relevant http://www.dell.com/support/article/se/sv/sebsdt1/SLN265750/EN
[13:26] <hateball> suggests you can restore the OS during boot, quite easily
[13:27] <cfhowlett> yeah, no, it ain't that easy
[13:27] <cfhowlett> and that page is WAY out of date
[13:28] <hateball> "Note: While this article and the pictures used were created around Ubuntu 9.04, the steps listed are still valid for the latest LTS versions."
[13:28] <hateball> anyhow, contacting support if an option is probably best
[13:29] <maxime__> cfhowlett: ok, i have twitter but never really used it. You just make a tweed and add their hashtag?
[13:29] <sruli> need to do some ps grepping while apt / dpkg is running, what is a large application which might take at least few minutes to install so i can do my grepping?
[13:30] <cfhowlett> maxime__, a very gentle "I'm frustrated! #dell XPS 13 won't install ubuntu!" should do it.
[13:30] <cfhowlett> they do monitor that channel pretty continuously
[13:31] <maxime__> cfhowlett: haha, okay. I'll try that one
[13:31] <ioria> maxime__,  you can try to press esc or shift right after the bios screen, and see if it presents some useful options, or exit if you don't feel safe with those
[13:31] <red_> k1l, if you are using sshplus, could you tell me how to retain it in the topbar? it seems i have to run it from a terminal and keep that terminal open always... i attempted to force to run in bg with `sshplus.py &` but that does not work.
[13:33] <ioria> red if it's a panel indicator you can use Startup Applications
[13:34] <ioria> red type Startup Applications in dash then 'add' and give it the path to the script
[13:36] <maxime__> ioria: esc gave Dell support assist but it has nothing to do with software or ubuntu sadly. Shift didn't do nothing. The bios is pretty bad to and also no ubuntu stuff there.
[13:36] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I have the m3800, i.e. xps13's big brother.  proceed with extreme caution
[13:36] <Callek> hihi, so I am having an issue... I'm on a lenovo laptop, connected to wifi -- frequently it seems (multiple times per day) lately (last 2 weeks) I'm getting internet drops. Network manager says wifi is still connected, I just lose DNS, a restart of network manager reconnects automatically and all works out fine...
[13:37] <Callek> ... I just ran a loop with dig and timestamps to identify when that starts... it just happened again, and ONLY thing in syslog for that window was:
[13:37] <Callek> Jan  3 08:32:15 Centaurus sudo: pam_ecryptfs: pam_sm_authenticate: /home/callek is already mounted
[13:37] <ioria> maxime__, we don't want to nuke your warranty
[13:37] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I'm not changing anythin without knowing what it is or what it does, i just looked if there was an obvious option for restart the config
[13:37] <Callek> I was actively using the computer, so it wasn't a screensaver (afaik)
[13:38] <Callek> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[13:38] <Callek> googling only takes me to screensaver and stuff about remote login, neither of which are the case here.
[13:41] <ioria> i frankly find weird that you don't have the chance to run that setu again ...
[13:42] <cfhowlett> ioria, dell has some highly customized thing going on.  it is not the normal OEM install.
[13:43] <Callek> ...incase it wasn't clear, `callek` is my username on this laptop :-)
[13:43] <ioria> cfhowlett, i see
[13:48] <taliptako> i didnt get any update from Ubuntu repos for a 10 day
[13:48] <taliptako> did i enable the automatic updates ? or Ubuntu didnt realese any update
[13:49] <cfhowlett> taliptako, open a terminal: sudo apt update | pastebinit && sudo apt full-upgrade | pastebinit
[13:50] <taliptako> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733482/
[13:50] <taliptako> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733483/
[13:50] <taliptako> cfhowlett here they are
[13:50] <cfhowlett> well there it is then.
[13:50] <cfhowlett> you probably enabled background auto updates.
[13:51] <taliptako> oh yea but whats happening if i shut down my computer
[13:51] <baffone85> salve a tutti, ho un problema con ubuntu, non mi fa più scaricare gli aggiornamenti. Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
[13:51] <taliptako> while updates are installing
[13:51] <cfhowlett> taliptako, don
[13:52] <enzotib> !it | baffone85
[13:52] <cfhowlett> taliptako, do not do that.
[13:52] <Conner05> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu on my new SSD. I clicked restart like it said and now it's hung at the Ubuntu logo with 3 of the five dots being white. What should I do?
[13:52] <baffone85> grazie mille
[13:53] <maxime__> ioria, cfhowlett, I just called the dell technical support. He said I just had to install a new Ubuntu from the Ubuntu site. He said they don't have their own version. The os support is directly from Ubuntu. I told him I asked here first and that you guys told me they use a custom version. He said that is not true...?
[13:53] <FinalX> Conner05: afaik, hitting esc when splash screen first appears, makes it show the normal startup, you can then more easily see where it gets stuck on
[13:53] <cfhowlett> maxime__, no it is ubuntu, but their OEM install is customized.
[13:54] <ioria> maxime__, if at first startup it asked you to configure the os, it's the standard ubuntu version
[13:54] <cfhowlett> his solution would indeed work BUT ... to keep all of the default grub options, do not install grub.
[13:54] <Conner05> Finalx OK. My fans are cranking right now. Is it OK to just shut it off with the power button then try to boot again?
[13:54] <cfhowlett> after you complete the install, reboot to the terminal and do a sudo grub-update command
[13:55] <FinalX> Conner05: I'd try ctrl-alt-del first, see if that helps. If your harddisk LED isn't showing any activity for a while, it's probably stuck. Keep in mind that it can also be a systemd timeout for networking, and that takes quite a few minutes. Shutting off power is never really a good idea, but sometimes it's your only option
[13:55] <cfhowlett> a regular install will wipe out their options, including the Dell Restore option.
[13:56] <ioria> maxime__,   if it ships with ubuntu preinstalled, how can he say that 'you need to 'to install a new Ubuntu from the Ubuntu site' ?
[13:56] <ioria> maxime__,   does it makes sense for you ?
[13:57] <maxime__> ioria: I don't know, they don't give a usb neither. I have to download it myself...
[13:57] <maxime__> ioria: nope it doesn't, but what choice do i have
[13:57] <maxime__> cfhowlett: In a normal ubuntu install does it asks me to install grub where i can say no or do i need a special instal?
[13:58] <ioria> maxime__,   but, as cfhowlett remarked, it has (had) a highly customized version...  the new install won't be the same, iam afraid
[13:58] <cfhowlett> maxime__, select the manual install option, do not format your existing partitions, and do not install a bootloader
[13:59] <Conner05> Finalx I restarted it and it took me to a screen asking me if I wanted to install Ubuntu or try it or whatever (weird since I already installed it supposedly) now the CMD line is saying the cpu#1 is stuck
[14:00] <Speiros> maxime__ So they gave you no startup disc nor a USB startup disc either?
[14:00] <ioria> maxime__,   are you sure you don't have a rescue disk included ?
[14:01] <maxime__> Speiros: nope, a box with the laptop, charging cable, quick start guide (for windows...) and safety guide.
[14:01] <cfhowlett> Speiros, nope.  restore to factory settings is in the boot options and I believe there was a reminder after booting up to create a startup uSB
[14:01] <cfhowlett> the days of "hey dummy!  here's a disc in case you murder something vital!" are over.
[14:02] <Speiros> Ok.  Not good that they didn't supply a physical copy though.  That's (in my opinion) neglectful on the packaging department management.
[14:02] <ioria> this is not the right place, but it's not fair
[14:02] <Speiros> Still, it isn't helping the issue.
[14:03] <Speiros> ioria, what is there on your computer now that you're worried about losing if you did a boot with a disc or a usb?
[14:03] <cyphix> Speiros: ioria Sorry, had to leave. Switching to an older kernel doesn't change the problem. I still can connect to it via ssh, but the screen remains black
[14:03] <Speiros> ioria is it correct that there is nothing yet on it?
[14:03] <maxime__> You know what is amazing. You guys don't get paid and he does. You give good and direct support whereas he only said, install it again. Can't do more for you...
[14:04] <Speiros> cyphix That's okay.  It's a shame it isn't working though.  Can it be turned off for now?
[14:04] <cfhowlett> maxime__, regarding that: direct your email to the dell sputnik project staff and/or forums
[14:04] <ioria> Speiros, i agree with you, their conduct it's not fair
[14:05] <cyphix> Speiros: What do you mean turning it off? I manually put my computer on sleep (or when I close the lid)
[14:05] <cfhowlett> maxime__, http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/
[14:05] <Speiros> cyphix Is there a setting for you to be able to turn that off in your "settings", like there is for battery power, etc.?
[14:06] <cyphix> Speiros: probably yes, but that is not a convenient solution
[14:07] <Speiros> cyphix No, I appreciate it isn't the optimum solution mate.  Sorry I don't have anything else to actually address the issue, excepting that someone else has more experience, and also that it may be a physical problem.
[14:08] <cyphix> Ok, thanks anyway!
[14:08] <Speiros> cyphix No problem, but sorry man:)
[14:08] <Speiros> cyphix Somebody else on here will have more experience than me man.  I'm pretty inexperienced.
[14:09] <cyphix> That said, it worked fine until about a week ago...
[14:09] <Speiros> cyphix do you remember the trigger that made it happen, or any circumstances surrounding it?
[14:10] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I made a ubuntu img and am starting it right now
[14:10] <cfhowlett> maxime__, best of luc
[14:10] <IhrFussel> Does mv work recursively by default?
[14:10] <Speiros> cyphix Even if I don't know the solution, the questions will help in creating a log, and somebody else might be able to troubleshoot it.
[14:10] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, nope.
[14:11] <IhrFussel> cfhowlett, alternatives that do it recusively? =/
[14:12] <cfhowlett> IhrFussel, mv can work by default if you tell it to.  But not by default
[14:13] <IhrFussel> I don't see an option for that in the man page
[14:13] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you move top level everything under it will go too
[14:13] <ikonia> eg: mv /foo will take /foo/bar and /foo/blah with it
[14:14] <IhrFussel> ikonia, But isn't that recursively? I'm confused
[14:14] <Callek> my issue (posted ~30 min ago) just happened again -- but at 9:07 my time...
[14:14] <cfhowlett> as am I --- but more likely I was in error IhrFussel
[14:14] <ikonia> IhrFussel: I think thats just a wording error,
[14:14] <maxime__> cfhowlett: I get 3 options for installing. Reinstall (all files, docs,... are kept, software kept where possible, system-wide settings cleared), Erase and reinstall (Deletes all above), Erase disk and resinstall. Then at the bottom there is 'Something else (create or resize partitions yourself or choose multiple parts)'. I'm guessing I need the second one?
[14:15] <ikonia> it's not "recursive" in such as moving individual items, but if you move the top, if has to take everything under it with you
[14:15] <tozen> cypfix: what a problem u've got?
[14:15] <Callek> log from syslog and then potentially related info of whats in my /tmp *after* a network manager restart https://irccloud.mozilla.com/pastebin/dKM1krXH/
[14:16] <IhrFussel> ikonia, so if I have /a/b/c/d.txt and do mv /a/b /a it will take d.txt too?
[14:17] <cyphix> tozen: When I put my laptop on sleep, I can't wake it up. The screen remains black, although I can connect to it via ssh
[14:17] <Speiros> tozen cyphix has a screen that stays black when the computer goes to sleep, even though he can see that it is not actually sleeping, but awake from sleep.
[14:18] <cfhowlett> maxime__, yeah, sounds right, but
[14:18] <Speiros> cyphix Come to think of it mate, after typing that, it really could be a physical problem.  I had a laptop a number of years ago, and it was the connector between the laptop body and the screen.
[14:19] <tozen> cyphix: which model? system release? kernel?
[14:20] <cyphix> Speiros: It might, but I don't close the lid. I manually activate the sleep mode, so I don't move the screen. It shouldn't affect the connection then.
[14:20] <noncom|2> Flannel: it happened again. Emacs disappeared once more
[14:20] <Speiros> cyphix Yes, I see.
[14:21] <cyphix> tozen: It's a toshiba Satelite Pro, Ubuntu 16.04, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:21] <noncom|2> dpkg -i ***.deb did not do the trick
[14:21] <maxime__> cfhowlett: but?
[14:22] <cfhowlett> maxime__, I've not done it from an OEM system like this so results may not be as expected. worst case: you'll have a fully functional ubuntu system but none of the dell extras.   first world problem
[14:23] <maxime__> cfhowlett: Oh yeah, well isn't so bad. What extra dell functions do they even give with ubuntu. And indeed, first world problem, I can do perfectly with just normal ubuntu :)
[14:24] <noncom|2> there is a problem I'm getting on ubuntu -- after I instal a package, the application disappears over time
[14:24] <hateball> cyphix: you could try a later kernel by installing linux-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[14:24] <noncom|2> can anyone help with this?
[14:25] <noncom|2> last time I installed it -- I used dpkg -i PACKAGE.deb to install
[14:25] <noncom|2> now it's gone again, by itself
[14:25] <cfhowlett> maxime__, noncom|2 if you dpkg install - which you should not be doing - yes, that can happen
[14:25] <noncom|2> why does it happen?
[14:25] <noncom|2> how can it get uninstalled... ?
[14:26] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, 1.  dpkg does not capture dependencies.  2.  later upgrades can and do remove old packages that are no longer needed
[14:26] <cyphix> hateball: I simply install it and reboot?
[14:26] <gt-my-test> hi
[14:26] <gt-my-test> join linux from windows
[14:26] <hateball> cyphix: that's the idea yes. you can pick your kernel in grub menu (hold left shift) if the newer one doesnt work properly
[14:26] <cyphix> hateball: ok, I'll try that
[14:27] <Speiros> gt-my-test What do you mean?
[14:27] <gt-my-test> where is this place
[14:27] <cfhowlett> gt-my-test, this is ubuntu support - read the topic please
[14:27] <gt-my-test> i dumb windows 10 for linux
[14:28] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: you know, what, I installed Emacs 25.1.1 as by the instruction (./configure, make, checkinstall) because apt-get does not know about it. then I did apt-get upgrade which for whatever reason downloaded Emacs 24. after this happened, my installation of Emacs 25 automatically disappears after several hours after the installation
[14:28] <Conner05> 2nd fresh Ubuntu install and it's stuck on splash screen again after restart. Pressing ESC or ctrl alt del does nothing.
[14:28] <gt-my-test> is there something like itunes for linux
[14:28] <cfhowlett> !itunes | gt-my-test
[14:29] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: in my mind that behaviour is unthinkable -- its even worse than Windows Update -- the app gets auto-removed SILENTLY after a few hours
[14:29] <cfhowlett> Conner05, did you 1. md5sum your .iso  2. md5sum your usb?
[14:29] <gt-my-test> the problem is i can't connect to itunes
[14:29] <Conner05> Cfhowlett no I didn't.
[14:29] <cfhowlett> gt-my-test, do a dpkg -l | grep emacs
[14:29] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: do you maybe know how to fix this? how to install Emacs 25... ?
[14:29] <pokmo> hi
[14:29] <Conner05> Guess I better boot into Windows and do that.
[14:30] <pokmo> if i have a cronjob * * 1 * * <command> will it run only on the first of each month at 00:00?
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | Conner05
[14:30] <hateball> pokmo: try this if you are unsure https://crontab.guru/
[14:31] <pokmo> hateball, thanks
[14:32] <gt-my-test> is the remmina able to remote desktop to sql server
[14:33] <cyphix> hateball: no change unfortunately...
[14:34] <jjjhjkgff> Hello
[14:35] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: here is the printout: http://pastebin.com/L8qxwgqZ
[14:35] <noncom|2> and I don't need emacs 24, I only need 25
[14:35] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, yep, certainly seems that 24 is the only one present ...
[14:35] <noncom|2> however, that apt-get upgrade for some reason wants to install 24
[14:36] <noncom|2> but how do I install emacs 25?
[14:36] <noncom|2> is this possible on Ubuntu?
[14:36] <cfhowlett> you can selectively skip that particular update ... pinnning?  someone else will know
[14:36] <noncom|2> I don't know how to do this...
[14:37] <ducasse> noncom|2: there is no ubuntu version with v25 yet, you will need to use a third-party repo or build it yourself.
[14:37] <noncom|2> yes, that is the case -- I downloaded the source from the official repo, did everything as in the official instruction
[14:38] <noncom|2> ducasse: and then, when I did "apt-get upgrade" for other reasons, it started this with emacs. now I can't work with emacs 25 without reinstalling it every several hours
[14:38] <noncom|2> what puzzles me the most -- is how does it get installed and usable, and then, after a few hours, it's gone from the system
[14:39]  * cfhowlett is also curious
[14:39] <noncom|2> does anyone know how to fix this?
[14:39] <Speiros> Not me:)
[14:42] <Conner05> Cfhowlett how do I check the md5sum of the installer? The ISO is fine
[14:42] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | Conner05 use the "cdrom" instructions
[14:42] <ducasse> noncom|2: did you install emacs 25 packages from a repo, or did you build it from source?
[14:43] <Conner05> The CD-ROM instructions are for Ubuntu. Not windows.
[14:43] <cfhowlett> noncom|2, found it ... "holding" in apt
[14:43] <noncom|2> ducasse: I downloaded the source and then did as it says here: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/09/install-gnu-emacs-25-1-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[14:43] <noncom|2> all official instructions
[14:43] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: what do you mean? ummm "holding" ?
[14:44] <cfhowlett> !pinning | noncom|2, see "intro to holding packages"
[14:44] <cfhowlett> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD Conner05
[14:45] <noncom|2> cfhowlett: thank you, looks interesting, gonna read this
[14:45] <ducasse> noncom|2: nothing official about those instructions :)
[14:46] <noncom|2> ducasse: but... its.. ubuntuhandbook?
[14:46] <cfhowlett> :) not from Canonical.  not from ubuntu.  not official.
[14:46] <ducasse> noncom|2: just a random tutorial site with 'ubuntu' in the name.
[14:47] <cfhowlett> should be clearly stated but isn't.  confusion is natural
[14:47] <noncom|2> well, okay, could be..
[14:47] <Conner05> Cfhowlett I'm sorry but all of those instructions are for Linux. I don't see any instructions on verifying my burned USB on Windows.
[14:48] <Speiros> Conner05 You may need to speak to a Windows advisor for that mate:)  The processes and commands are quite different, as I'm sure you're aware.
[14:48] <Conner05> Yea, I'll keep googling.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> Conner05,  you're correct.  sorry.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> Conner05, restate the failure ?
[14:54] <Conner05> cfhowlett three days ago I got a new SSD and installed Ubuntu on it. I did have some issues with the USB i burned (I could only install when using legacy boot options, not UEFI), but after I got it installed everything was great...until I decided to install drivers for my nvidia card. I followed some tut from the internet. Seemed pretty innocent. T
[14:54] <Conner05> hen, everytime after a suspend my system would lock up and the display would be black. I turned it off and back on and then I couldn't see anything. I messed around with some stuff in "safemode" as root but that didn't help so today I decided to just do a clean install. I did and then after a restart I started getting an error at the splash screen
[14:54] <Conner05> that said "CPU#1 stuck for 22s!" ... so I try another clean install and I still get stuck at the splash screen ( probably same CPU stuck error)
[14:56] <cfhowlett> Conner05, well your .iso was clean, I wonder if this might not need no further reinstallations.
[14:56] <cfhowlett> stuck cpu sounds ... highly questionable ... as in I have NEVER seen that on my systems
[14:56] <Speiros> *had a problem similar, and had to swap my hard drives around to fix the problem.  I don't know why though.
[14:56] <Conner05> I have an SSD and a HDD so not possible
[14:57] <Conner05> my system is a dell 7559
[14:57] <Conner05> intel kaby lake i5
[14:57] <Speiros> NVIDIA drivers...interesting.
[14:57] <Conner05> yea I have a gtx 960m
[14:57] <hateball> Conner05: boot using nomodeset
[14:57] <hateball> !nomodeset
[14:58] <hateball> and then install nvidia blob
[14:58] <Conner05> but that isn't my problem right now
[14:58] <Conner05> right now I cannot get past the splash screen
[14:59] <ducasse> the only time i have seen that 'cpu stuck' message it was actually a hw failure
[15:00] <ducasse> but kaby lake - support might not be all there yet.
[15:00] <ikonia> ducasse: seen it on overheating too (although yes, that can be a hardware failure too)
[15:00] <ikonia> funny enough, more so when apm isn't supported properly
[15:00] <hateball> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2307688 - solution -> nomodeset
[15:00] <hateball> and so on
[15:02] <IhrFussel> Is it normal that my server says total RAM 3919 MB, used 209 MB, free 90 MB, buffer 3619 MB ?? Why is free so low?
[15:03] <FinalX> IhrFussel: the OS caches a lot of often used data in RAM as to increase performance
[15:03] <whitekidney> IhrFussel: https://linux-mm.org/Low_On_Memory
[15:03] <FinalX> IhrFussel: when needed, the buffers/cache is freed and given to the application that requires it
[15:04] <Speiros> IhrFussel Looking at it, the buffer has ample space too.
[15:04] <Conner05> yea I am still getting the CPU stuck error
[15:04] <IhrFussel> But my old VPS didn't keep that much as buffer o.o
[15:04] <ducasse> IhrFussel: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[15:06] <IhrFussel> Was it a bad idea to enable Swap on a dedi?
[15:06] <Speiros> thanks for that link there ducasse.
[15:06] <Speiros> Helpful
[15:07] <treehug88> IhrFussel generally speaking, no
[15:07] <ikonia> IhrFussel: on a what ?
[15:07] <IhrFussel> Dedicated server
[15:07] <cfhowlett> !linuxatemyram | IhrFussel
[15:09] <IhrFussel> Okay I understand the RAM part now...another question is about the load: If my CPU has 4 cores and the load says 1,0 it means only 1 core is fully used correct?
[15:09] <Conner05> should I change my SATA config from AHCI to ATA?
[15:09] <ikonia> IhrFussel: no
[15:10] <treehug88> IhrFussel http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages
[15:14] <IhrFussel> "On multi-processor system, the load is relative to the number of processor cores available. The "100% utilization" mark is 1.00 on a single-core system, 2.00, on a dual-core, 4.00 on a quad-core, etc."
[15:14] <Speiros> Ok, I guess I'd better sleep.  :)
[15:14] <IhrFussel> Mine is a quadcore so it should mean 4,00 is 100% load
[15:14] <popey> IhrFussel: yes, that's a simplistic view of things
[15:15] <popey> IhrFussel: it doesn't really match cpu utilisation, the number can go way above the number of cores. Think of it more of a number of items in a queue waiting for the cpu cores.
[15:16] <IhrFussel> popey, so when should I start to investigate the CPU load? 1,00? 2,00?
[15:16] <ikonia> popey: cleanest description I've ever heard
[15:16] <popey> IhrFussel: it depends.
[15:16] <ikonia> IhrFussel: do you actually have a cpu load problem ?
[15:16] <Conner05> So now I cannot even boot into windows. Both my Hard Drive and Second Hard Drive selections from legacy boot take me to my broken Ubuntu install
[15:16] <popey> IhrFussel: if the number is very high (like tens, twenties, hundreds) it could be a problem
[15:17] <popey> but it depends what the box is doing, maybe there are lots of little busy processes all wanting a bit of time.
[15:17] <popey> having a high load average just means things are having to wait for some cpu time.
[15:17] <IhrFussel> Well I'm running a game server on it..the load is 0,50 right now
[15:17] <popey> then you have no problem
[15:17] <popey> it's under utilised
[15:18] <Mr1NK> need help please, i just change the theme on my ubuntu with bash : gsetting set org.gnome......  and now i want to set into default theme,
[15:18] <Mr1NK> what the bash i need to write on terminal
[15:19] <Mr1NK> i should , i mean
[15:20] <ikonia> Mr1NK: why not just use the gui
[15:20] <TheDamnedOne> its on the tip of my brain
[15:20] <TheDamnedOne> gimme a minute Mr1NK
[15:20] <ikonia> Mr1NK: (I don't know the getting option off the top of my head) but it's clear your running a gui, so why not just use it
[15:21] <Mr1NK> ikonia : ubuntu-tweaks its not work on my ubuntu
[15:21] <ikonia> Mr1NK: what happens ?
[15:21] <ikonia> as I suggest there is a bigger problem when you're aware of if it can't set the theme
[15:22] <Firefly67> does anyone know what a live USB contains? I tried to do that, but my USB only contains efi -> boot -> {bootx64.efi, grubx64.efi}
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> idk.. I may be mistaken.. but will it be possible to set it using update-alternatives?
[15:22] <Firefly67> *live Ubuntu USB
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: It contains live OS.. its bootable..
[15:22] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: to set a theme ?
[15:22] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: to set a default theme..
[15:23] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: or is that only for commands?
[15:23] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: that seems unlikley
[15:23] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: that command basically sets symlinks
[15:23] <Firefly67> yes, but what kind of files does it contain? I am not sure if I have prepared it correctly. I followed these instructions: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-create-ubuntu-1510-usb-drive.html
[15:23] <Mr1NK> ikonia : idk, its happend when i just change the default repository into local repository
[15:23] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: wait.. i'll send yu a  snap of mine
[15:23] <ikonia> Mr1NK: whats actually happening when you use it
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: I think you messed up somewhere..
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: do you have the iso?
[15:25] <ikonia> Firefly67: what are you actually trying to do
[15:25] <Mr1NK> ikonia : its wont to open
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: if so, I'd recommend using rufus.. its straight foeward
[15:25] <ikonia> Mr1NK: how are you launching it
[15:25] <TheDamnedOne> forward
[15:26] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne : so , thats itsn't solved ?
[15:26] <Firefly67> yes, I downloaded the iso
[15:26] <ikonia> Firefly67: are you trying to create a bootable usb
[15:27] <Mr1NK> ikonia : launching what ?, ubuntu-tweaks ?
[15:27] <ikonia> Mr1NK: yes
[15:27] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: ok so download rufus..
[15:27] <Firefly67> ikonia, yes
[15:27] <ikonia> Firefly67: why are you not using the official docs/howto
[15:28] <ikonia> !install | Giant81
[15:28] <ikonia> oops
[15:28] <ikonia> !install | Firefly67
[15:28] <Firefly67> I am trying to do dual boot, following this tutorial: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2015/11/how-to-create-ubuntu-1510-usb-drive.html
[15:28] <Mr1NK> ikonia : with double click
[15:28] <ikonia> Firefly67: then stop following that
[15:28] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne : bro ?
[15:28] <ikonia> use the official document I've just given you
[15:29] <k_sze> I need help installing Ubuntu 16.10 alongside an existing Windows 10 installation.
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Mr1NK: ?
[15:29] <ikonia> !dualboot | Firefly67
[15:29] <ikonia> Mr1NK: try launching it from the terminal, that will give you more info
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: go here https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[15:29] <ikonia> k_sze: also see the link ubottu just pasted
[15:29] <IhrFussel> So weird...htop says load is almost 1,00 but the CPU bars never go above 20%
[15:29] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: get this tool.. its quite straight forward when making bootable usbs
[15:29] <ikonia> IhrFussel: thats not unusual
[15:29] <Mr1NK> TheDamnedOne  : i think you have same problem with me,
[15:29] <ikonia> IhrFussel: why are you obsessing about this,
[15:30] <Mr1NK> ikonia : ok, hold on
[15:30] <k_sze> ikonia: the thing is, I have a m.2 SSD and I *don't* want a swap partition.
[15:31] <ikonia> k_sze: then don't create one ?
[15:31] <IhrFussel> ikonia, well the VPS I had before hang a lot at ~ 1,00 load...but it was a dualcore
[15:31] <k_sze> But then I'm not sure how I should use the manual partion step.
[15:31] <IhrFussel> hung*
[15:32] <popey> IhrFussel: 1.0 load is fine
[15:32] <courrier> Hey guys, my 14.04's avconv has no support of codec x264, although I installed all the packages I could, and it is listed in the codec list... any idea? http://paste.debian.net/906175/
[15:32] <k_sze> What should I choose for the "Device for boot loader installation"?
[15:32] <JP___> Who needs help? noob here with time to kill
[15:32] <bingbong> Hi. So after booting I have to establish some connection to the internet in the first few minutes, otherwise I cant establish connections to the internet.
[15:32] <k_sze> Same partition as the Windows Boot Manager?
[15:32] <bingbong> I found out that I get an IP assigned from the dhcp, but I cant resolv a host, so it's a DNS problem
[15:32] <bingbong> What can be responsible for this?
[15:32] <ikonia> k_sze: whatever disk you are booting from
[15:32] <TheDamnedOne> k_sze: Mr1NK has some issues with setting the default gnome theme.. or somethin
[15:32] <ikonia> bingbong: the dns server you are using
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> oops
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: Mr1NK has some issues with setting the default gnome theme.. or somethin
[15:33] <TheDamnedOne> Firefly67: done downloading rufus?
[15:33] <IhrFussel> popey, yes I see that but 1,00 load is worse on a dualcore machine than on a quadcore correct?
[15:33] <ikonia> IhrFussel: no
[15:33] <popey> IhrFussel: a load of 1 is not bad on any machine
[15:33] <ikonia> IhrFussel: is there a reason you are obsessing with the uptime stats ?
[15:33] <ikonia> do you have a reason to think you have a problem
[15:33] <bingbong> ikonia, it's my DSL router (fritzbox)
[15:33] <JP___> Have never used gnome, unity ftw
[15:33] <bingbong> and for all other devices its reliable
[15:33] <ikonia> bingbong: what host are you trying to resolve
[15:34] <k_sze> ikonia: it's a bit confusing because the installer allows me to select the whole SSD block device or just one of the partitions.
[15:34] <ikonia> k_sze: right, so what is your boot device
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> eww.. Unity is bad!
[15:34] <popey> TheDamnedOne: not helpful.
[15:34] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: no, it's not
[15:34] <JP___> It is? :(
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> oh ok
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> sowwy
[15:34] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: I've warned you before about only giving solid help
[15:34] <IhrFussel> I am running a game server and i moved to a dedicated server now because my VPS hung a lot...and the load was mostly at 1,00 so I'm surprised that this machine now does NOT hang at 1,00
[15:34] <bingbong> ikonia, doesnt matter, cant resolv a single one
[15:34] <TheDamnedOne> okzz.. didnt know about the rules here
[15:34] <JP___> I am too lazy to learn anything new
[15:34] <ikonia> bingbong: what hosts are you trying to resolve
[15:34] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | TheDamnedOne
[15:35] <bingbong> doing dig google.com @<my router ip> works
[15:35] <JP___> Except for embedded linux, now that's fun
[15:35] <popey> IhrFussel: it could have been something else. could have been busy doing IO or something else...
[15:35] <ikonia> IhrFussel: you have zero concern with 1 load
[15:35] <popey> IhrFussel: i wouldn't jumpt to the conclusion that it's bad because load = 1.
[15:35] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: cool.. is it possible to run embedded linux as a VM? I am new to embedded..
[15:35] <ikonia> bingbong: ok, so you know the router is working, how do you know yoru ubuntu box is using the router
[15:36] <JP___> Yeah it is
[15:36] <JP___> But why would you want to?
[15:36] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: I wanna see what embedded linux is..
[15:36] <TheDamnedOne> JP___: my router uses it.. and I wanna see how it works..
[15:36] <stevenm> Hey, i've connected a usb sound device and in 'Sound Preferences' it says it is 'Disabled' how do I go about enabling it?
[15:36] <IhrFussel> Okay so you are saying 1,00 load should never make a system hang? Then it was something else...maybe because I shared the server with others
[15:36] <JP___> Oh it's just linux on some other architecture
[15:37] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: the same as the main distro
[15:37] <JP___> Only fun if you are into electronics
[15:37] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: this really isn't a topic for #ubuntu
[15:37] <ikonia> JP___: ^
[15:37] <JP___> Embedded ubuntu? :p
[15:37] <TheDamnedOne> ok
[15:37] <JP___> Whatever happened to ubuntu phone?
[15:37] <TheDamnedOne> its dead already?
[15:37] <cfhowlett> !touch | JP___,
[15:37] <courrier> No clue about avconv + x264? :)
[15:37] <k_sze> ikonia: looks like this is my answer: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330139
[15:38] <cfhowlett> courrier, restate the question
[15:38] <JP___> Thanks cfhowlett
[15:38] <bingbong> ikonia, I dont.. How do I check this?
[15:38] <courrier> cfhowlett: my 14.04's avconv has no support of codec x264, although I installed all the packages I could, and it is listed in the codec list... any idea? http://paste.debian.net/906175/
[15:38] <bingbong> "ip route show"?
[15:38] <popey> IhrFussel: if it's a vps then you absolutely did share it with others
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: no
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: that shows routes
[15:38] <bingbong> tracert?
[15:38] <ikonia> k_sze: I don't think so
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: no, that traces routes
[15:38] <bingbong> :D
[15:38] <stevenm> JP___, i tried it on my nexus 4 and 10 the other day - it's stupidly bad, you're not missing anything
[15:38] <bingbong> okay, enlighten me
[15:38] <ikonia> bingbong: are you using network manager to configure your host
[15:38] <bingbong> no
[15:39] <bingbong> I.. dont configured anything
[15:39] <JP___> stevenm: you could probably just build normal ubuntu for your phone
[15:39] <k_sze> ikonia: why not?
[15:39] <cfhowlett> courrier, sorry, no idea.  ask the avconv team?  better yet, upgrade to 16.04 and you can go with ffmpeg with avconv folded back in
[15:39] <ikonia> bingbong: right, so it's network manager configuring your network
[15:39] <popey> JP___: can we stick to support questions please
[15:39] <bingbong> It's just connected to an AP via ethernet
[15:39] <JP___> Or maybe a lighter flavor
[15:39] <ikonia> bingbong: this is a desktop install right ?
[15:39] <bingbong> the AP is connected to my router
[15:39] <bingbong> ikonia, lubuntu + i3 without gnome
[15:39] <stevenm> JP___, i'd love to have normal Ubuntu MATE 16.04 for my nexus 10
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: what is in /etc/resolv.conf
[15:40] <bingbong> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: ok, great so it's using dnsmasq
[15:40] <bingbong> and an entry that this is changed automatically
[15:40] <TheDamnedOne> I think that entry has to be for the router IP
[15:40] <ikonia> bingbong: nmcli device show (your network card name)
[15:40] <tzmfen> hey guys.. which server should i install..16.04 or 16.10. or is there much difference?
[15:41] <courrier> Other dependencies oblige me to keep 14.04 cfhowlett, but there's no #avconv channel... maybe installing ffmpeg then
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: depends on your needs
[15:41] <TheDamnedOne> My resolv.conf contains IP address of my router(the default gateway)
[15:41] <TheDamnedOne> My resolv.conf contains IP address of my router(the default gateway)
[15:41] <cfhowlett> courrier, installing ffmpeg in 14.04 might not be possible ...
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: it shouldn't
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: sorry, not you
[15:41] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: it shouldn't
[15:41] <tzmfen> ikonia: ah ok
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: that was for you
[15:41] <tzmfen> but for 16.04 and 16.10 there is no real difference?
[15:41] <JP___> stevem: i dunno if it would work, but maybe try the yocto project
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: depends on your needs
[15:41] <ikonia> tzmfen: yes, there are
[15:41] <tzmfen> aah ok
[15:42] <ikonia> tzmfen: they are a later release, with different support life cycles
[15:42] <ikonia> hence depends on your needs
[15:42] <tzmfen> well i am just running web servers/websites and some irc stuff
[15:42] <ikonia> tzmfen: 16.04
[15:42] <tzmfen> dovecot/sendmail etc
[15:42] <tzmfen> cause its LTS ?
[15:42] <ikonia> yes
[15:42] <popey> for a public server I'd use LTS
[15:42] <popey> longer support
[15:42] <ikonia> only real option
[15:42] <courrier> cfhowlett: there's a PPA ppa:mc3man/trusty-media
[15:43] <cfhowlett> courrier, well, okay then
[15:43] <courrier> has all versions > 14.10 switched back to ffmpeg?
[15:43] <tzmfen> popey:  ok thanks
[15:43] <cfhowlett> courrier, might have been a later version; 15.10?
[15:43] <RSA4096> hello, I need to install this dependes libavutil52 | libavutil54, who can help me?
[15:44] <ikonia> RSA4096: what needs it
[15:44] <popey> RSA4096: pick one, the | means "or"
[15:44] <bingbong> ikonia, currently I have internet (I rebooted and established a connection fast)
[15:44] <JP___> cfhowlett: i am thinking of building a commercial kiosk system, and am thinking of using ubuntu... My question: is it stable enough to work without updates for say.... 10 years?
[15:44] <courrier> cfhowlett: ok, ffmpeg converts well my file, grrrr that clone...
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: I didn't ask you about your internet
[15:44] <bingbong> so does the output now helps you or should I do this when I have no connection
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: you need a connection
[15:44] <ikonia> bingbong: you need to know what dhcp server is setting is your dns server
[15:44] <ikonia> JP___: you understand how pointless that question is
[15:45] <cfhowlett> JP___, 10 years?  the longest LTS - which will need security upgrades at the very least, is only supported for 5. I think RHEL/Centos goes for 10 but you'd have to research that
[15:45] <ikonia> JP___: if it works out of the box - and you never update it, it won't change from it's "out of the box" working state
[15:45] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: my resolv.conf has 2 entries.. nameserver (ip address of my router) and search
[15:45] <ikonia> TheDamnedOne: it shouldn't
[15:46] <TheDamnedOne> ikonia: will look into what it should look like. thanks for picquing my interest in ti
[15:47] <bingbong> ikonia, so currently (working state) it is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23733938/
[15:48] <bingbong> should I restart and then do this again when I have no "connection" to the internet?
[15:48] <RSA4096> ikonia, popey I need to install wickr messanger, and I can install this depency: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=226844
[15:48] <noncom|2> could somebody explain what this means? http://pastebin.com/qu2Jp0Wu
[15:48] <popey> RSA4096: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:48] <noncom|2> I am removing a package, why is it complaining that something is not installed?
[15:48] <noncom|2> *could not be installed
[15:49] <ikonia> bingbong: ok - so when it's not working compare against that
[15:49] <bingbong> okay, I will reboot then, give me a few minutes
[15:49] <JP___> Ikonia: that is also what i think, but just wanted to make sure
[15:49] <RSA4096> popey, 16.10
[15:49] <ikonia> noncom|2: you have a broken install, so before it removes what you want it's trying to finish the install of the broken package most likely
[15:49] <noncom|2> ikonia: uh.. what would be my actions to fix this?
[15:50] <ikonia> noncom|2: look at fixing the broken install
[15:50] <noncom|2> okay
[15:50] <ikonia> noncom|2: (confirm that is the problem first - I'm guessing)
[15:50] <ioria> RSA4096, 16.10 uses 55
[15:50] <ioria> !info libavutil55
[15:52] <RSA4096> ioria, do you have command for install they
[15:52] <RSA4096> ?
[15:53] <ioria> RSA4096,   libavutil52 or 54 are not available for  16.10
[15:54] <RSA4096> ioria, there are alternative?
[15:55] <Conner05> I tried doing a check on my installer USB and got a CPU stuck error... (2nd image) http://imgur.com/a/3l24v
[15:55] <ioria> RSA4096,   you can try to install 55 , if not working try to force another version (but not advisable)
[15:55] <ikonia> Conner05: you said this earlier
[15:55] <Conner05> ikonia no this is new
[15:56] <RSA4096> ioria, how Can I install 55?
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: in what way is it new
[15:56] <Conner05> I got the cpu stuck error after installation
[15:56] <Conner05> now I get it just running a check on the usb installer
[15:56] <ioria> RSA4096,   sudo apt install  libavutil55
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: yes, but it was suggested that cpu stuck = hardware problem or lack of device support
[15:56] <ikonia> Conner05: so cpu stuck = cpu stuck
[15:56] <cfhowlett> Conner05, this is sounding more and more like hardware failure
[15:56] <Conner05> makes sense
[15:57] <RSA4096> ioria, libavutil55 is already the newest version
[15:57] <ioria> RSA4096,   so....
[15:57] <Conner05> cfhowlett I will go over to #hardware and see if they have any suggestions for testing it
[15:57] <popey> RSA4096: you might need to speak to sickr to get a build for 16.10
[15:58] <RSA4096> ioria, so I have same error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libavutil52|libavutil54
[15:59] <RSA4096> popey, :(
[15:59] <k_sze> How do I quit the ubuntu installer with keyboard only?
[15:59] <k_sze> As in tell it to reboot
[15:59] <ikonia> k_sze: tab down to exit
[15:59] <ioria> RSA4096,   52 is for trusty and 54 for utopic
[16:00] <anonlub> Hey everyone
[16:00] <k_sze> There isn't an "exit" button.
[16:00] <RSA4096> ioria, ok thank you anyway
[16:00] <ikonia> k_sze: what are the button names
[16:00] <ikonia> there should be an exit/quit/whatever button
[16:00] <anonlub> Guys i just need an information
[16:00] <ioria> RSA4096,   you're welcome
[16:01] <k_sze> ikonia: only "Back" and "Continue"
[16:01] <ikonia> k_sze: just turn the power off then
[16:01] <ikonia> k_sze: or alt f to a terminal and reboot
[16:01] <selvodka> kernel panic need help
[16:01] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, were you trying to install ffmpeg?
[16:01] <ikonia> sanjeev: read error message
[16:02] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, I try install wirck messager
[16:02] <workerbeetwo> Hi. does anyone know when the upgrade option to 16.10 will pop up?
[16:02] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=226844
[16:03] <boom> Any tips i should i know for when i install ubuntu? The computer will mainly be just office work
[16:03] <cfhowlett> workerbeetwo, if you don't have it, you likely have your system settings on Long Term Support release only
[16:03] <ikonia> RSA4096: why are you using mint inforamtion
[16:03] <cfhowlett> boom, install libreoffice
[16:04] <selvodka> KERNEL PANIC NEED HELP
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, I foun only this
[16:04] <boom> How does that compare to openoffice cfhowlett
[16:04] <ikonia> sanjeev: READ ERROR MESSSAGE
[16:04] <cfhowlett> selvodka, drop the caps
[16:04] <workerbeetwo> cfhowlett: yes likely. was eager to install packer from the new release.
[16:04] <ikonia> RSA4096: where are you getting the actual messagger package from
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, about my terminal message
[16:04] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, that's for mint , might not work on ubuntu?
[16:04] <selvodka> cfhowlett, want to be noticed
[16:04] <ikonia> BluesKaj: it's a totally different mint version based on the wrong ubuntu version
[16:04] <RSA4096> ikonia, from this: https://www.linuxhelp.com/how-to-install-wickr-app-in-linux/
[16:05] <cfhowlett> boom, openoffice?  is that even still supported?  seriously, libreoffice is much more active and supported
[16:05] <ikonia> sanjeev: you're likley to get ingnored
[16:05] <cfhowlett> !patience } selvodka,
[16:05] <cfhowlett> !patience | selvodka,
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ikonia, unless he's running mint
[16:05] <RSA4096> BluesKaj, I do, but whit my terminal's error, I found only this post for help
[16:05] <cfhowlett> selvodka, also, you were asked and question and ignored it.  not a good way to help us help you.
[16:05] <oniichan> yoo
[16:05] <RSA4096> *with
[16:06] <BluesKaj> RSA4096, you do what?
[16:06] <ikonia> RSA4096: you need to talk to the package maintainer and ask them to fix the dependenices to something thats available in ubuntu
[16:06] <cfhowlett> workerbeetwo, do this: sudo apt update && sudo apt full upgrade
[16:06] <ikonia> RSA4096: or you need to find a repo that contains those packages
[16:06] <selvodka> cfhowlett, i didn't see it
[16:06] <workerbeetwo> cfhowlett: thank you.
[16:06] <selvodka> sry
[16:07] <RSA4096> ikonia, I try to find him, but I lose, can you help me pls?
[16:07] <oniichan> is anyone can't speak indonesian language
[16:07] <ikonia> RSA4096: how can I help you  ?
[16:07] <ikonia> !id | oniichan
[16:07] <cfhowlett> boom, you might also want the latest templates from https://github.com/dohliam/libreoffice-impress-templates
[16:07] <RSA4096> ikonia, install this app for ubuntu 16.10
[16:07] <boom> cfhowlett, So how does installing work, do I just download the one meant for windows, and it'll work fine?
[16:07] <ikonia> RSA4096: read what I said
[16:08] <oniichan> okeeee wakatta
[16:08] <cfhowlett> boom, install the libreoffice for linux version please.
[16:08] <ikonia> RSA4096: you either need to a.) talk to the package maintainer to get them to update the package to dependencies available in ubuntu b.) find a repo that contains those dependencies
[16:08] <ikonia> RSA4096: how can I help you with that ?
[16:10] <boom> cfhowlett, Alright, thanks, also what program is best to turn the usb into something bootable to install from?
[16:10] <cfhowlett> boom, ubuntu startup disk creator.  don't let the name fool you
[16:11] <boom> I'm on win10 right now, my parts for the ubuntu pc wont be here for a few more days
[16:12] <jmadero> hi all - I just installed a second language for the first time in 16.04 (done it a lot on previous versions) but for some reason my system is defaulting to the secondary language every time
[16:15] <zerous> Is it alright if I ask a question regarding gdb here ?
[16:16] <cfhowlett> gdb?
[16:16] <ikonia> c++ debugger
[16:16] <zerous> yeah
[16:16] <cfhowlett> zerous, ask
[16:16] <ikonia> if it's to do with the ubuntu package, sure, if it's to do with how to use gdb you may want to hit the gcc / gdb channels
[16:17] <circ-user-PStve> Hello
[16:17] <zerous> cfhowlett, I am getting an error message while trying to change the file being debugged. The error message says "can't access memory 0x740"
[16:18] <ikonia> zerous: so thats "how to use gdb"
[16:18] <cfhowlett> ?  :)  remember I asked "gdb"?  best to direct this to the channel at large or #gcc #gdb
[16:18] <ikonia> zerous: you can look at basic things like syslog to see if things like apparmor are blocking access via a security policy
[16:19] <zerous> What I am doing can summarized into the following "I happen to find the bug. I make the necessary changes, run make in gdb. delete breakpoints, Ctrl+C and then run program"
[16:19] <zerous> but I get the same error message
[16:20] <zerous> It goes away if I quit gdb and reopen it though
[16:21] <evoluti0n> Anyone here
[16:21] <zerous> ikonia, what should I look out for ?
[16:22] <Evia> hi
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <Evia> BUG: Ubuntu no run on intel HD 4600.
[16:23] <troy1> Uhh, ok.
[16:24] <Evia> Add to bugtracker please.
[16:24] <ikonia> no
[16:24] <ikonia> as it works fine on a 4600
[16:24] <Evia> no
[16:24] <Evia> From the flash and installed Ubuntu no run
[16:24] <ioria> RSA4096, if really desperate you can check this out :  https://metalkey.github.io/installing-wickr-on-ubuntu-1604.html
[16:24] <ikonia> Evia: it does
[16:25] <Evia> not work for me
[16:25] <Evia> your ubuntu?
[16:25] <Evia> integrated intel on Guard Pro H97
[16:26] <ikonia> don't know what guard pro is
[16:26] <ikonia> sorry
[16:26] <Evia> motherboard MSI
[16:27] <troy1> Evia: lspci -knn | grep -A2 VGA
[16:27] <Evia> i cant
[16:27] <Evia> Ubuntu no run I said
[16:27] <debouncer> hello all, after installing ubuntu to my laptop, my laptop's battery gets drained rather quickly compared to when I boot Windows. Although i installed all drivers of the laptop, it is still same. Is there anyone who encounters this issue?
[16:28] <Evia> Im on Windows now
[16:28] <ikonia> debouncer: there is often a difference in power consuption between windows and linux depending on how your power management is supported on linux
[16:28] <troy1> What does it say Evia?
[16:29] <ikonia> troy1: he can't boot ubuntu
[16:29] <Evia> I have GPU-Z
[16:29] <troy1> ikonia: i read that. That could mean 5 million things
[16:29] <ikonia> troy1: whatever it means, if he can't boot it, he's going to struggle to run lspci
[16:29] <nacc> Evia: do you mean you don't get to a desktop? or do you mean nothing happens (not even grub, e.g.)?
[16:30] <troy1> ikonia: i was asking him what output he gets on trying to boot ubuntu
[16:30] <Evia> no run from flashdrive (live) no run from harddrive (installed)
[16:30] <spacebaer> hi, I think my Ubuntu desktop/server has a rootkit (getting seg faults when ssh'ing into it) what logs should I look at to do a little detective work
[16:30] <debouncer> ikonia: so, cant I use ubuntu (and other linux distros) in my laptop?
[16:30] <ikonia> troy1: apologie, I thought you where asking to run lspci
[16:30] <ikonia> debouncer: you can, as you've said you're currently using it
[16:31] <Evia> I said I have GPU-Z on Windows
[16:31] <troy1> What output do youg et trying to run live?
[16:31] <debouncer> yes, but as a desktop
[16:31] <nacc> Evia: i have no idea what 'gpu-z' is.
[16:31] <Evia> Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
[16:31] <nacc> Evia: so the live USB doesn't boot?
[16:31] <Evia> NO
[16:31] <Evia> oh
[16:31] <troy1> Evia: we need the error from the live usb console
[16:31] <Evia> Intel 4600 +SmartTV
[16:32] <ikonia> +smart TV
[16:32] <ikonia> ???
[16:32] <Evia> SmartTV as display
[16:32] <troy1> I assume he's using a tv as display
[16:32] <ikonia> nacc: it's a windows tool that identifies CPU info
[16:32] <nacc> ikonia: ah, so irrelevant to linux...
[16:33] <ikonia> nacc: totally
[16:33] <debouncer> ikonia: yes but as a desktop computer, it wanna use it as it is
[16:33] <ikonia> debouncer: what's stopping you ?
[16:33] <Evia> Any solutions?
[16:34] <troy1> Evia: we can't provide a solution if you don't tell us the error.. "It doesn't boot" does not help us.
[16:34] <Evia> I said about error
[16:34] <bingbong> ikonia, so it is working now. I guess this is some effect which happens randomly (it was not the first time today)
[16:34] <nacc> !who | Evia
[16:34] <ikonia> bingbong: wait for it to break (if it does again)
[16:34] <bingbong> when it happens again, I will run the command and see what differs
[16:34] <Evia> Ubuntu + Intel 4600 + Smart TV = No Run
[16:34] <ikonia> bingbong: changes are, it may have just expired the DNS servers from your config
[16:35] <debouncer> ikonia: the laptop's battery is now almost dead. However, while I was using windows 7, I can get 2 hour battery life
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: that is not sufficient information. What does 'No Run' mean? You don't even see the bootloader? What about if you use a regular monitor?
[16:35] <bingbong> ok
[16:35] <bingbong> ikonia, thanks for your help so far!
[16:35] <Evia> There no signal
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: imo, 'No Run' would imply your computer does not turn on.
[16:35] <troy1> Evia: How do you know it's that combination? We need the error output from the live boot
[16:35] <ikonia> bingbong: no problem
[16:35] <Evia> just black
[16:35] <ledeni> Evia, just run live usb and from terminal give us 'lspci -knn | grep -A2 VGA'
[16:35] <nacc> Evia: that does *not* mean it's not running.
[16:35] <troy1> ledeni: he claims he cannot live boot
[16:35] <Firefly67> I put ubuntu on a USB using rufus, but still can't boot into it. Windows keeps coming up. Any suggestions as to how to boot into the ubuntu live USB?
[16:36] <troy1> Evia: What version of ubuntu?
[16:36] <nacc> Firefly67: do you need to specify a boot order (or allow USB to be before hard drive) in your BIOS?
[16:36] <Evia> I think xorg crach
[16:36] <k1l> Evia: "smart tv" is no output signal. they are: vga, hdmi, displayport,..... are adapters involved?
[16:36] <Evia> Ubuntu of 2016 year
[16:37] <troy1> Evia: what output are you using? as k1l has said. HDMI, VGA?
[16:37] <troy1> Evia: 2016.04 or 2016.10?
[16:37] <Evia> HDMI -> DVI
[16:38] <Evia> 2016.04
[16:38] <Dreaman> cable
[16:38] <Evia> All work with the Nvidia
[16:38] <Dreaman> my laptop vga and hdmi
[16:38] <Dreaman> lg ulltrahd
[16:38] <Dreaman> tv
[16:38] <Dreaman> work
[16:38] <troy1> Evia: Have you tried displaying to anything else other then a TV? What do you mean all work with Nvidia?
[16:38] <Evia> Problem no in cable and in Ubuntu
[16:39] <Dreaman> 4k
[16:39] <Dreaman> :)
[16:39] <Firefly67> nacc, I disabled fast boot in Windows. Am I supposed to do something else too?
[16:39] <debouncer> well, what if i use another linux disto, can I get a better battery perfomance?
[16:39] <Evia> Just test it.
[16:39] <Evia> testing
[16:39] <ikonia> debouncer: unlikley
[16:40] <ikonia> debouncer: depends on why it's not getting good battery use
[16:40] <jmadero> debouncer: I get better battery life in Bodhi than I do in Ubuntu so it's possible
[16:40] <troy1> Evia: Are you using a laptop?
[16:40] <nacc> Firefly67: so you don't even see an option to boot to your USB?
[16:40] <Evia> DESKTOP
[16:40] <troy1> Evia: it has a dedicated GPU as well nvidia?
[16:41] <nacc> troy1: i think two different systems
[16:41] <nacc> troy1: a laptop that works and a desktop that doesn't
[16:41] <k1l> debouncer: most manufacturers only give out drivers for windows. most linux distros use the same drivers. so its not a real change in battery time. you could try to adjust some settings which reduce some services to save some batterytime.
[16:41] <Evia> I said problem in Ubuntu
[16:41] <Firefly67> no, I don't see any option. I see "press escape key for startup menu", but nothing happens when I press the escape key
[16:41] <troy1> Evia: sorry can't help you if all you say is problem in ubuntu.
[16:42] <Evia> xorg problem
[16:42] <k1l> debouncer: look at powertop and such hints like: http://askubuntu.com/questions/400/tips-to-extend-battery-life-for-laptops-and-notebooks
[16:42] <troy1> Evia: so it spits out a xorg problem trying to boot live udb?
[16:42] <troy1> Evia: usb*
[16:42] <Evia> I think xorg crash
[16:42] <k1l> Evia: does it work with another linux? does it work with another monitor or tv?
[16:42] <Evia> I now downloading Mint
[16:42] <nacc> Firefly67: i *think* that's your bios' menu, but i'm not sure
[16:42] <k1l> Evia: do you have any logs or errormessages? "i think" is not enough to help you
[16:43] <Evia> I cant read logs
[16:43] <Evia> need manual boot
[16:43] <k1l> debouncer: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/improve-battery-life-linux  those are basics tips that help on windows, too
[16:44] <Firefly67> ok, with F12 it seems to have booted, but now says /casper/vmlinuz.efi: file not found
[16:46] <debouncer> Can alinux offer a better battery perfomance than windows
[16:46] <debouncer> Can a linux distro offer a better battery perfomance than windows systems?
[16:47] <LinuxNovice> hello, when will the new Lubuntu with lxqt be available?	is it going to be still suitable for old computers? I mean, is it going to be as lightweight as the existing one?
[16:47] <jmadero> debouncer: usually no - google around for articles
[16:47] <k1l> LinuxNovice: maybe you get more detailed info on #lubuntu about that specific question
[16:48] <LinuxNovice> I posted the question there too. Nobody is online there, it seems.
[16:48] <ctjctj> Hello.  I'm attempting to mount a filesystem from an iscsi server.   My fstab has the _netdev option for the filesystem and it is using UUID.  The problem is that during the boot sequence iscsi-open start script hasn't run at the time the system attempts to mount the disk.  How do I get iscsi-open to run after network start and before the mounting of filesystems?
[16:48] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: this isn't the right place for that question
[16:49] <jmadero> if there's no one around in that chat it's a good sign that the community isn't super robust so the waiting might be longer
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: 17.04
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: thats the next release,
[16:49] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: look in the repos to see if it contains the versions you want
[16:49] <LinuxNovice> ok. In what ways Ubuntu is different and better than Debian?
[16:49] <k1l> LinuxNovice: i know they plan to change to lxqt and it should be still lightweight. but as i said: for details you want to talk to the lubuntu team itself
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[16:50] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: try them, see what you like/don't like
[16:50] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: that question is ridiculously subjective
[16:50] <nacc> ctjctj: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:50] <ctjctj> nacc, thanks.  I will try there as well.
[16:50] <k1l> LinuxNovice: ubuntu is far more widespread so there is way more programs packaged for ubuntu.
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> yes. I am just a linux beginner.
[16:50] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: haven't we spoken many times about this sort of thing
[16:50] <LinuxNovice> ok. I can expect more packages in ubuntu.
[16:51] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: perhaps if you did more "using" and less trying to upgrade to the next big thing, you'd get better
[16:51] <Conner05> ikonia looks like it was a bad stick of RAM
[16:51] <k1l> LinuxNovice: and debian is not really a beginners distro.
[16:51] <ikonia> Conner05: superb
[16:51] <Conner05> I took it out and ubuntu booted fine
[16:51] <Conner05> Just gotta deal with Amazon now... already tossed the pkging
[16:51] <LinuxNovice> k11, debian not for beginners?
[16:52] <sweb> how can i get new name of eth on ubuntu 14.04 like `enp7s0` ?
[16:52] <LinuxNovice> can I get the latest versions of packages like Libre Office, pdf reader etc in Ubuntu or its derivatives?
[16:52] <k1l> LinuxNovice: the overall impression is that ubuntu is more directed at beginners than debian. speaking of default settings, community, documentation etc.
[16:52] <nacc> !latest | LinuxNovice
[16:52] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: you can get whatever is in the repos, you can surely manually install newer versions as soon as they come out
[16:52] <nacc> sweb: I don't think you can, although maybe switching to systemd (if it's supported) would do it
[16:52] <ioria> !info lubuntu-qt-desktop | LinuxNovice
[16:53] <LinuxNovice> Over here, in my place not many people use Linux. They rely heavily on MS Windows and MS Office.
[16:53] <k1l> LinuxNovice: yes you can. but you need to think about that ubuntu (like debian) is a stable release distribution.
[16:53] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: and you can install PPAs if they are maintained by someone (LibreOffice for instance has a very active and maintained PPA)
[16:53] <LinuxNovice> most of the documents generated by others will be from MS Office.
[16:53] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why are you obsessed with "latest versions"
[16:54] <jmadero> ikonia: seems like he thinks latest version = better interop
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we've spoke about this before - you've created / almost created problems with this attitude
[16:54] <jmadero> which can be true but not always
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: we've spoke about this in detail
[16:54] <LinuxNovice> I want a distro that  offers the latest features and in some way compatibility with say MS Office.
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: why
[16:54] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: most recent version can mean more bugs, just know that
[16:54] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: in what way is ubuntu 16.04 not offering the latest features of compatability with office
[16:54] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, congratulations on picking a linux to try.  Regardless of which desktop version of Linux you are using you will get a great software system.  All distributions have sets of applications that you can choose to install to give you extra capabilities.  The benefit of a distribution is that somebody else is testing and making sure that the applications you installed work in that distribution.  If you need to do something
[16:54] <ctjctj> and you don't see the latest and greatest application version available to you.  Become a "User" and not a "Novice" and then attempt to use a PPA or equivlant.
[16:54] <LinuxNovice> I am using Lubuntu, now.
[16:54] <k1l> LinuxNovice: the compatibility to MS office is not made by some distro. its by the programs in use.
[16:55] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - in what way does lubuntu 16.04 not provided the latest features or MS office compatability
[16:55] <k1l> LinuxNovice: and MS office has no interest to be compatible to other office suits.
[16:55] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: and have you reported bugs against those packages when you find problems? if not, then you're not doing your part as a novice even
[16:55] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, I'm very sorry.
[16:55] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: don't be sorry
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: I'm asking you a real question though
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: all the time you're looking for latest versions of packages....why ?
[16:56] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: you just need to understand that Linux doesn't guarantee your pet bugs will be fixed
[16:56] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: more so when you've caused problems with this, why are you not "using lubuntu" rather than constantly looking for packages
[16:56] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: there are bugs in LibreOffice that have been around for 15 years
[16:57] <LinuxNovice> I think, I'm too new to notice or understand the bugs. However, I'll do my part to report them, whenever I encounter them.
[16:58] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what is the problem with say lubuntu 16.04
[16:58] <debouncer> ok thanks a lot, i hope these links work for me
[16:58] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: what features or incompatability do you have
[16:58] <ikonia> (features that are missing)
[16:59] <jmadero> ikonia: well let's not pretend like there is perfect interoperability ;)
[16:59] <ledeni> jmadero, i don't think so libreoffice is last 2 years default before was openoffice
[16:59] <jmadero> so maybe he just wants to always be on latest "just in case" random things are fixed
[16:59] <LinuxNovice> I have some pdf files that I am trying to open in Ubuntu or its derivatives. Tried Debian stable also. But, they keep asking for password.
[16:59] <ikonia> jmadero: no is pretnding that
[16:59] <jmadero> ledeni: I work on the LibreOffice project, I know where it began ;)
[16:59] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: new version won't fix that, guaranteed
[16:59] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - so how will upgrading package versions fix that
[17:00] <LinuxNovice> But, somehow I can open them in a Debian testing based distro called Sparky Linux.
[17:00] <jmadero> he wants a new version to hack around a password encrypted pdf? comical
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ok - so how will upgrading package versions fix that
[17:00] <LinuxNovice> Don't know. Whether latest ones will fix that or not.
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: right
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: so don't do it
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: you need to understand a problem first before trying to fix it
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: ask people how to fix a problem
[17:00] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: not how to deploy the fix you think you need
[17:01] <LinuxNovice> no. It is not password protected. I can open them in Windows and on my android tablet, without password.
[17:01] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: eg: I'm trying to open a PDF with application X, it's asking for a password
[17:01] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: instead of "I want to find a 3rd party repo that gives me version Y+1 of application X"
[17:01] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: try using a different PDF viewer in Lubuntu 16.04
[17:01] <jmadero> that's easy enough tod o
[17:01] <LinuxNovice> actually, I have tried every available pdf reader on Linux.
[17:01] <jmadero> <1 minute of effort
[17:02] <LinuxNovice> I have this problem only with some pdfs. Not all.
[17:02] <LinuxNovice> and these same pdfs open without any password on Windows and on my android tablet.
[17:03] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: great, so you have a problem, work that problem through with people, rather than blindly try to upgrade things that will probably break things more
[17:03] <ikonia> LinuxNovice: really - you need to stop chasing version numbers, and just "use" lubuntu
[17:03] <ikonia> any problems, ask for help
[17:03] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, ok.
[17:03] <ikonia> stop chasing package versions though, this is where %90 of your problems have come from in the past
[17:03] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, so the thing we teach our techs is "getting a good problem description".  You have a problem "I can't open some PDFs because it asks for a password"  but the problem you reported was "How do I install the latest and greatest PDF reader".
[17:03] <LinuxNovice> actually, I have dumped Windows entirely for Linux.
[17:04] <LinuxNovice> let me provide the link to the pdfs.
[17:04] <ctjctj> The first question we ask you, LinuxNovice, is "Do you know the password for these PDFs?"  and "Are these PDFs actually password protected?"
[17:04] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: can you share this pdf to my email?
[17:04] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: please just one
[17:05] <jmadero> I don't want 50 ;)
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/35534bos25026ipages1.pdf
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/35523bos25026cp1.pdf
[17:05] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: no need for more
[17:05] <jmadero> okay so immediately it opens in Firefox for me
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> please, save that pdf on your system.
[17:05] <ikonia> opens just fine
[17:05] <LinuxNovice> then, try to open it with a pdf reader.
[17:06] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: yes it asks for a pswd
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> I can open them in Firefox.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> it is not encrypted.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> I can assure you.
[17:06] <LinuxNovice> because, they open in my tablet.
[17:06] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, jmadero 16.10 clicked the download and opened it with Evince(sp) with no issues, no password request.
[17:07] <FinalX> it is encrypted
[17:07] <ctjctj> It opens fine in Firefox as well.
[17:07] <FinalX> just open the file in vim
[17:07] <jmadero> ctjctj: interesting, I'm on a derivative of 16.04 and it won't open
[17:07] <LinuxNovice> I did try Evince also.
[17:07] <ctjctj> jmadero, LinuxNovice might actually have found an issue.
[17:07] <FinalX> it's full of encrypt xml :p
[17:07] <FinalX> (or rather, decode)
[17:07] <LinuxNovice> then, why it doesn't ask for a password in Windows?
[17:08] <jmadero> but it's weird that it opens elsewhere
[17:08] <ctjctj> 21 pages of real stuff.
[17:08] <FinalX> I'm sure it's just basic Adobe PDF protection
[17:08] <k1l> LinuxNovice: opens in evince just fine for me on ubuntu 16.10
[17:08] <LinuxNovice> or in Android?
[17:08] <jmadero> let me try installing latest evince quickly
[17:08] <jmadero> one second
[17:09] <FinalX> It's protection, not encryption, it seems? Against editing, I guess. I also guess that it's better supported in updated clients.
[17:09] <squinty> LinuxNovice, fwiw, no password needed here using foxit pdf reader
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> I don't have Windows installed on my laptop. Entirely relying on Linux. That's the problem.
[17:09] <ctjctj> 16.04.1 requests a password.
[17:09] <jmadero> I'm updating evince now
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> ok. how can I install Foxit.
[17:09] <ikonia> it looks like it depends how the client is trying to open it
[17:09] <ikonia> if it tries to open it in read mode, it opens just fine
[17:09] <ikonia> if it tries to open it in edit mode it asks for a password
[17:09] <LinuxNovice> please download it and try opening it offline.
[17:10] <ikonia> I just did
[17:10] <k1l> 3.18 on 16.04 and 3.22 on 16.10
[17:10] <ctjctj> GNOME Document Viewer 3.22.0 works GNOME Document Viewer 3.18.2 fails
[17:10] <iLembus_> anyone know if i can install Ubuntu snappy core without connecting a screen?
[17:10] <iLembus_> i need to "follow the instructions on screen" while first boot
[17:10] <iLembus_> after that i can SSH into it
[17:10] <LinuxNovice> can anybody suggest a solution?
[17:10] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: patience
[17:10] <jmadero> if this works then it's an easy solution
[17:11] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[17:11] <nacc> iLembus_: may want to ask in #snappy
[17:11] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, please note how the responses to you have changed since you presented the actual problem you were having.
[17:12] <LinuxNovice> ok. I understand now.
[17:12] <LinuxNovice> I just thought it could be due to not having the latest versions of software.
[17:12] <k1l> LinuxNovice: you cant tell that without seeing the exact program in use and the exact issue with it.
[17:13] <jmadero> and LinuxNovice there is never a need to install the latest entire distro for one package
[17:13] <jmadero> that's begging for problems
[17:13] <LinuxNovice> why does it open in a Debian testing based distro? I could open it in Sparky Linux, using qpdfview.
[17:14] <jmadero> evince 3.22 fails for me in 16.04 derivative also
[17:14] <LinuxNovice> but, I tried with qpdfview in Lubuntu. It still asks for password.
[17:14] <icedwater> When I run gnome-terminal in an xterm, I get an error message saying org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8. It seems from syslog and forum posts that the locale is the issue. How do I fix it so that dbus passes the right locale (not ANSI_X3.4-1968) to allow gnome-terminal to launch?
[17:14] <LinuxNovice> and I update/upgrade everyday.
[17:15] <jmadero> LinuxNovice: just because you update every day doesn't mean anything, there are a ton of packages held back in each distro, unless you have PPAs installed that guaranteed latest and greatest
[17:15] <jmadero> Canonical has a strict policy against adding packages with regressions
[17:15] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, one of the things that you should be aware of is that sometimes there are multiple "frontends" that use the same "backend"  so you could have "evince" and "qpdfview" and a dozen other programs that all use (made up) libpdfsuperreader
[17:15] <ctjctj> If the library is where the issue is then all of the frontends that use that library will fail in similar ways.
[17:16] <k1l> LinuxNovice: trying blindly with reinstalls and other distros doesnt help. you dont just change the cars when one is not starting, right?
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, all this is greek to me.
[17:16] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, I understand.  Which is why I'm trying to explain it while others are attempting to help you.
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> k11, I understand.
[17:16] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, ok.
[17:17] <jmadero> the weird thing is that 16.10 updated the libraries as far as I can see but still no good
[17:17] <LinuxNovice> as an end user, I just want an OS that I can install and get to my work.
[17:17] <ctjctj> A quick google search shows that LinuxNovice's issue is documented in a couple of different places.  I've not checked the change log for evince but it looks like evince is incorrectly detecting a PDF as encrypted when it is not.
[17:18] <ikonia> there is a flag I think for "read" and "edit" mode
[17:18] <ikonia> try forcing read mode
[17:18] <ikonia> I think it's trying to open it in edit mode by default
[17:18] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, here is a work around for you, first check to see if you have the program pdf2ps installed.
[17:20] <feneco> hi
[17:21] <feneco> so I use ubuntu gnome 16.04 and just got hacked, can anyone help identify what could be the breach?
[17:22] <ikonia> feneco: what has been "hacked"
[17:23] <feneco> ikonia: tried to enter google.com, said certificate was invalid, and issued by another domain, rebooted/reconnected, tried to access again, got a defaced page
[17:23] <feneco> saying that i was hacked lol
[17:23] <ikonia> feneco: how do you know you where hacked
[17:25] <feneco> what do you mean?
[17:25] <ikonia> feneco: how do you know you where hacked
[17:26] <feneco> I don't understand your question, I just said the reason above
[17:26] <ikonia> feneco: so is that one site or all sites
[17:27] <feneco> it's google.com
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: so is that one site or all sites
[17:27] <feneco> only google.com
[17:27] <ikonia> ok
[17:27] <feneco> it's normal in my laptop
[17:27] <ioria> LinuxNovice qpdf --decrypt 35523bos25026cp1.pdf output.pdf
[17:27] <feneco> only desktop was compromised
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: so if you run this command what do you get
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: "nslookup www.google.com"
[17:27] <feneco> wait
[17:27] <ikonia> feneco: (use a pastebin please)
[17:29] <feneco> seems ok now ikonia
[17:29] <feneco> http://termbin.com/m2zl
[17:30] <ikonia> feneco: ok - so there is your problem
[17:30] <ikonia> feneco: the dns server you are using is giving out bad addresses
[17:31] <ikonia> feneco: one of those IP's is a braizilian home IP
[17:31] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS>.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br
[17:31] <ikonia> (they all are)
[17:31] <ikonia> feneco: so what dns server are you using ?
[17:31] <selvodka> need help kernel panic
[17:31] <ctjctj> Fenco, pastebin the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[17:32] <ikonia> selvodka: you've been told 3 times that is not the way to ask a question
[17:32] <selvodka> ikonia, sorry
[17:32] <ikonia> ctjctj: resolv.conf won't help
[17:32] <ctjctj> ikonia, why?
[17:32] <feneco> ikonia: from network manager it says <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:32] <ikonia> he's using dnsmasq
[17:33] <ikonia> feneco: so...lets see
[17:33] <ctjctj> ikonia, thanks.  I need to verify that because I believe that dnsmasq gets its DNS configuration from /etc/resolv.conf.  But that's me babbling until I verify.
[17:33] <feneco> http://termbin.com/41bve
[17:34] <ikonia> ctjctj: not it doesn't
[17:34] <feneco> resolv.conf seem ok
[17:34] <ikonia> ctjctj: you can see it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:34] <ikonia> feneco: run "nmcli device show (network device interface name)
[17:35] <selvodka> i asked cuz i just joined it
[17:35] <ikonia> selvodka: and you've been told when you asked earlier you don't ask a question like that
[17:35] <ctjctj> ikonia, thanks.  I see what is happening.  DNS queries are being sent to <IP_ADDRESS> (localhost) where dnsmasc is resolving it for him.  Thanks.
[17:35] <selvodka> ikonia, How ?
[17:35] <feneco> ikonia: http://termbin.com/ugsi
[17:35] <ikonia> selvodka: you need to explain details
[17:35] <ikonia> ctjctj: you got it
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: ok, so that looks good
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: I assume it's working just fine now ?
[17:36] <feneco> now google opens fine
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: I don't believe you've been "hacked"
[17:36] <feneco> what do you believe that happened?
[17:36] <ikonia> feneco: for some reason the dns service you where using was giving false info,
[17:37] <selvodka> i tried to boot on both kernels and on recovery mode too i had a kernel panic
[17:37] <ikonia> either you where set to use a different dns service and network manager has just set it back to google (maybe you where hacked?)
[17:37] <ikonia> selvodka: kernel panic doesn't help anyone
[17:37] <ctjctj> feneco, it could be that a DHCP type server gave you a bad DNS server.
[17:37] <ikonia> selvodka: thats like may saying "fix it"
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/CYbBgax.jpg
[17:37] <ikonia> feneco: or as ctjctj you got your ISP's dns server and they forwarded incorrectly
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/sjI8H4B.jpg
[17:37] <ikonia> feneco: or maybe a cache was compromised on a DNS server elsewhere and it just got flushed when someone noticed
[17:37] <selvodka> https://i.imgur.com/sjI8H4B.jpg
[17:38] <ikonia> selvodka: your missing files on your system
[17:39] <ctjctj> feneco, it is often the case that people that install household routers don't bother to change the passwords.  Those routers are much easier to hack than a Linux box.  So they reconfigure the router to give a "bad" DNS server.  That DNS server is configured to redirect things like banks and searches to a phishing site.
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: what version of ubuntu is this
[17:39] <feneco> if I'm using google's public dns and not my isp dns, how could that happen?
[17:39] <selvodka> ikonia, xubunu 16.04
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: did it ever work
[17:39] <selvodka> yes
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: what happened to make it not work
[17:39] <selvodka> that i don't know
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: so you are missing file
[17:39] <feneco> yea, i Just got an used router from my ISP
[17:39] <ikonia> selvodka: that is your problem
[17:40] <feneco> that was from another client, and it has the default pass
[17:40] <selvodka> they keyboard most of the keys don't work
[17:40] <feneco> but it was always like that
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you should just re-install
[17:40] <selvodka> could fsck on live usb fix it ?
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you can see above it does a disk check and marks it as clean
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: you then see it complains for missing files
[17:40] <ikonia> selvodka: fsck will not bring files back
[17:41] <selvodka> do a clean install ikonia
[17:41] <feneco> ctjctj: for that, one would need the wifi pass to access the router
[17:41] <ikonia> selvodka: yup
[17:41] <tdannecy_> selvodka: By chance, do you have a RAID?
[17:41] <selvodka> idk it's a laptop
[17:41] <selvodka> getway
[17:41] <ctjctj> feneco, not if they are coming from the other side.  Some routers refuse connections from the public side, others do not.   It's a security issue that has been known for a long time.
[17:42] <ikonia> it's not a raid problem
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: if in ANY doubt, re-install ubuntu
[17:42] <ctjctj> feneco, The point I was attempting to make is that the DNS change could have been accomplished in many different ways.
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: but based on what you've just shown me, I don't think the problem was yours
[17:42] <ikonia> feneco: (keep in mind - from what you shown me, nothing more)
[17:42] <tdannecy_> selvodka: I'm going to say it's an IO issue. Your HDD might be failing. That's just my 2 cents.
[17:42] <ioria> selvodka, maybe a bad iso or bad media
[17:43] <ikonia> he's not live booting
[17:43] <ikonia> thats his install
[17:45] <selvodka> someone said on reddit to  fix selinux
[17:45] <feneco> ikonia: do you know why I get different output from nslookup google.com from my desktop and laptop?
[17:45] <ikonia> feneco: do you still get it from nslookup ?
[17:45] <feneco> my laptop shows different output for this command
[17:45] <ikonia> selvodka: they said wrong
[17:45] <selvodka> ok , sry
[17:46] <feneco> let me try again from desktop
[17:46] <feneco> yes, I get different IP's from my desktop
[17:47] <selvodka> ikonia, thx
[17:47] <selvodka> for your time sorry for my attitude
[17:47] <ikonia> feneco: you get the 191 addresses from the laptop ?
[17:47] <ioria> oh, i see .... selvodka  have you installed something out of the offcial repos  ?
[17:47] <ikonia> (if you run it now)
[17:47] <selvodka> recently i install intel update tool
[17:48] <ioria> here we are
[17:48] <feneco> ikonia: http://termbin.com/5hdh
[17:48] <Firefly67> I am installing ubuntu, I want a dual boot, but ubuntu isn't detecting Windows and offering the "boot alongside Windows" option. What should I do?
[17:48] <ikonia> feneco: you may still have cache
[17:48] <ikonia> lets find out
[17:48] <feneco> http://termbin.com/jksx
[17:48] <ikonia> feneco: (or you may have been compromised)
[17:49] <ioria> selvodka  not sure you need it on ubuntu
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: are you in brazil
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: (obvious question I know but I have to ask)
[17:49] <feneco> before that it showed even a different IP: <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:49] <feneco> yes, I am
[17:49] <ikonia> feneco: ok,
[17:50] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: It looks like you installed the bootloader to an incorrect location. You could reinstall or live boot and reinstall GRUB. Make sure to install it to the boot disk (usually / )
[17:50] <selvodka> does the usb keyboard work on the bios
[17:50] <ioria> selvodka, usually yes
[17:51] <feneco> I'm trying to check system logs, auth logs, but I can't find something clear
[17:51] <selvodka> ok. cuz of most of the keys don't work so i use a usb keyboard
[17:51] <ikonia> feneco: reboot the laptop
[17:51] <ikonia> feneco: so network manager is restarted clenaly
[17:51] <ikonia> cleanly
[17:52] <ikonia> then re-verify
[17:52] <MOUD> Hey all
[17:52] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I have not installed ubuntu yet. I am not sure what a bootloader is, or if I installed it incorrectly
[17:52] <feneco> the problem is in the desktop, you mean i should reboot the desktop right?
[17:52] <Firefly67> I am trying to install ubuntu from a live USB
[17:52] <ikonia> feneco: sorry, yes
[17:52] <ikonia> feneco: got it back to front
[17:52] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Ah! I read that wrong. Sorry about that.
[17:53] <feneco> rebooting
[17:53] <MOUD> how can I make ubuntu to check for new hardware? I just plugged a wifi usb dongle. I'm using ubuntu 16.04
[17:53] <ikonia> MOUD: it does it real time
[17:54] <MOUD> ikonia, I see. So how can I see all my available network adapters?
[17:54] <ikonia> MOUD: if it's supported
[17:54] <tdannecy_> MOUD: You can also check what's plugged into your computer by using the Terminal command "lsusb". It'll give you a list of what's plugged in.
[17:56] <feneco> ikonia: when it happened first, when I tried to access google at first, said the certificate was from vivawebhost.com (I saved the picture)
[17:56] <feneco> http://termbin.com/o6sx
[17:56] <ikonia> feneco: yes because it was an exploit directing you to the wrong site
[17:56] <feneco> http://termbin.com/eobc
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: so the certificate won't match the site
[17:57] <feneco> different ips
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: so thats still looking at someone home connection
[17:57] <ikonia> ahh no it's not
[17:57] <ikonia> sorry
[17:57] <ikonia> thats google
[17:57] <ikonia> no wait
[17:57] <feneco> you see it's different
[17:57] <feneco> from google.com and google.com.br
[17:57] <ikonia> feneco: thats fine though
[17:57] <ikonia> hang on
[17:58] <feneco> both are from the desktop
[17:58] <feneco> my laptop show different results
[17:58] <feneco> but I don't use google public dns on my laptop
[18:03] <LinuxNovice> hello, guys. I am really sorry. There was no network
[18:03] <LinuxNovice> anybody online here?
[18:05] <feneco> there must be, tell your question
[18:11] <MOUD> ikonia, tdannecy_, sorry for not replying, something came up. In the "lsusb" command I got this: Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5572 Wireless Adapter ; Does it mean it's working?
[18:15] <Firefly67> I am trying to install ubuntu 16.04 alongside Windows 10 from an Ubuntu live USB, but I am not getting an option which allows me to install Ubuntu alongside Windows - it says no other operating systems are detected. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[18:15] <tdannecy_> MOUD: That message means that it's detected by ubuntu and that it recognizes it. It doesn't mean it's "working" per say, just that it can see it. You might have to install some packages to get it working.
[18:15] <Dro> hello, how can i check what running on startup ?
[18:15] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Which version of Windows is on the HD?
[18:16] <tdannecy_> Dro: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[18:16] <selvodka> should i reinstall ubuntu or  erase disk and install ikonia ?]
[18:16] <Firefly67> Windows 10, I believe
[18:17] <Dro> tdannecy, 16.04
[18:17] <Firefly67> I say "I believe" because it is the installation that came with a new laptop, it has MS Word 2016
[18:17] <selvodka> ioria, ?
[18:17] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[18:17] <ioria> selvodka, erase disk and install
[18:17] <LinuxNovice> lost the connection.
[18:18] <Dro> I have a strange problem, openvpn is running automactly on startup, with an address that I never used and I don't know
[18:18] <Dro> this connection don't appear in the connections manager
[18:18] <selvodka> ioria, thx
[18:18] <MOUD> tdannecy_, I see. Thanks.
[18:18] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: It sounds like there's an issue reading the HD. You're able to boot into Windows 10, right?
[18:18] <Dro> I can stop it only with "killall openvpn"
[18:18] <ioria> np
[18:18] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Welcome! :)
[18:19] <LinuxNovice> ikonia, are you still online?
[18:19] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, yes. I am pressing F12 to boot into the live USB instead of Windows
[18:19] <Firefly67> otherwise it goes to Windows
[18:19] <tdannecy_> Dro: You should be able to see what's running at startup by running gnome-session-properties in the terminal.
[18:19] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Okay, open the app "gparted" and let's take a look.
[18:20] <Firefly67> gparted opens in Linux?
[18:20] <Firefly67> or Windows?
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Sorry! It runs in Linux on the live USB.
[18:21] <Firefly67> I am currently on the trial version of Ubuntu live USB
[18:21] <Firefly67> ok
[18:21] <Firefly67> so I just type gparted?
[18:21] <Firefly67> in a terminal?
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yep. It should come up in the app menu.
[18:21] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: No need for terminal.
[18:22] <Firefly67> it says root privileges are required for running it
[18:22] <Firefly67> ok, from the app menu I could open it
[18:24] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, I see/dev/sda3: 122 GB, unallocated: 94 GB
[18:24] <Firefly67> and several smaller ones
[18:25] <lugarius> woop
[18:25] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Can you send a screenshot?
[18:27] <feneco> ikonia: gonna have to reinstall the system :/
[18:27] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: A thought. Win10 us a UEFI system, did you boot the installer also in UEFI mode ?
[18:28] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, I don't know. How do I know that? I pressed F12 to get to the live USB
[18:29] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, trying to get a screenshot, a bit hard from the trial version, so it's taking time
[18:29] <Firefly67> not connected to the internet on the trial version
[18:32] <Bashing-om> Firefly67: That I can not tell you . If ya booted up the USB as "legacy" Will then have isssues installing ( MBR versus EFI), maybe driving the install system nuts ?
[18:32] <ctjctj> Where do I find documentation for the configuration files in /etc/init?
[18:35] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Firefly67
[18:37] <Firefly67> just realized my new laptop doesn't have an ethernet port at all
[18:38] <cheshircat> Hey, did anyone else get their efi system partition messed up by the latest windows upgrade?
[18:38] <tbottom[m]> Lol
[18:39] <cheshircat> Also, my laptop is refusing to boot from a flashdrive
[18:40] <tbottom[m]> Yep, although I don't use Windows, I've heard many of my friends have messed up their windows partition during an update happening on the NYE
[18:40] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: What we often see is that Windows rewrites the boot code . Requiring us to re-install ubuntu boot code .
[18:44] <Firefly67> how do I share an image?
[18:44] <LinuxNovice> hello...
[18:45] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Upload it to imgur and paste the link here.
[18:45] <Firefly67> ok
[18:45] <Dro> in my startup programs i found a program called "Torzm Duuif" with this path /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java -jar /home/ubuntu/.Qjytmqba/Nezqzwta.jar
[18:45] <Dro> is it a malware??
[18:45] <Dro> and how can i check if its running?
[18:46] <tdannecy_> Dro: I'll bet that's something nasty. Delete the entire .Qjblahblah directory
[18:46] <LinuxNovice> I have a problem, here. I have some pdf files, not encrypted, but still ask for password in Lubuntu. I have tried every pdf reader available.
[18:46] <tdannecy_> Dro: You can check if it's running to see if there are any Java apps in your System monitor.
[18:46] <tdannecy_> LinuxNovice: How do you know they're not encrypted?
[18:46] <uxfi> test
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I tried a debian testing based distro, Sparky linux. I could open them there by using qpdfview.
[18:47] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, there are two fixes for your PDF issue.  1) You can use a more current version of evince (don't) or 2) use a different tool to read and convert them.
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I installed qpdfview in Lubuntu, they still ask for password.
[18:47] <tdannecy_> LinuxNovice: You might have to open and "Print as PDF" or re-export them again.
[18:47] <LinuxNovice> I have tried evince also.
[18:48] <ioria> LinuxNovice have you tried   qpdf --decrypt 35523bos25026cp1.pdf output.pdf   ?
[18:48] <MonkeyDust> linux malware, exciting, i wonder what it does
[18:48] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, open a command line terminal.  Use "cd" to go to the directory where the file is stored.  run pdf2ps file.pdf >file.ps.  Then to read your file use evince file.ps
[18:48] <ctjctj> ioria, tdannecy_ this is something LinuxNovice has gone over already.  He has rediscovered an issue with the version of evince shipped with 16.04LTS
[18:49] <ioria> ctjctj, oh, really ?
[18:49] <LinuxNovice> I checked in distrowatch.com for the version of qpdfview. It is <IP_ADDRESS> in Sparky Linux.
[18:49] <LinuxNovice> but, in Lubuntu, it is 0.4.14
[18:49] <ctjctj> ioria, tdannecy_ the PDFs are not encrypted but are detected by GNOME Document Viewer 3.18.2 as password corrected.  In GNOME Document Viewer 3.22.0 the files open correctly.
[18:49] <Dro> tdannecy, nothing about it in the system monitor
[18:50] <Dro> maybe its running hidden?
[18:50] <LinuxNovice> I just updated all the packages on Lubuntu which I am using.
[18:50] <ctjctj> ioria, so yes, really.
[18:50] <ioria> interesting
[18:50] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, http://imgur.com/a/vaZVV - I took a photo with my phone for gparted, trial Ubuntu live isn't connected to internet
[18:50] <tdannecy_> Dro: I doubt it would be "hidden", but let's check in the terminal. Open it and run "top"
[18:50] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, see the work around I gave you above.  What version of lubuntu are you running?
[18:50] <LinuxNovice> 16.04
[18:51] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Great! Thanks!
[18:51] <feneco> what's the command to open the software store?
[18:51] <LinuxNovice> can I update qpdfview to 0.4.15?
[18:51] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, there is a 16.10 which is not LTS.  Does lubuntu have "software settings" option?
[18:51] <LinuxNovice> I will be able to open the files, then.
[18:52] <Dro> tdannecy, nothing in top too, damn I googled it and it seems to be a RAT (Adwind) !
[18:52] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: The unallocated space is where you're going to install Ubuntu. Right click on the unallocated list in the menu and click "New". We're going to create an ext4 partition.
[18:53] <tdannecy_> Dro: Well I'd suggest deleting the directory at the least, but reinstall Ubuntu just to be safe.
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> Dro  and use locate to, well, locate it ... most probably in ~/.cache only
[18:54] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, do I type ext4 in the blue box?
[18:54] <Firefly67> I right clicked and a "create new partition" window came up
[18:54] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, open "Software & Updates" in the menu.  Select "updates" tab.  Select "for any new version" from the Notify me of new lubuntu versions drop-down box.
[18:54] <Firefly67> or do I just click on "add"?
[18:55] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Sorry, but you're going to have to give me another screenshot. :(
[18:55] <LinuxNovice> the latest version available for this version of lubuntu is 0.4.14-1. But, Sparky has 0.4.15-1. May be it is because of this.
[18:55] <ctjctj> Find the "software updater" and tell it to check for updates.  If this doesn't work I can only do the cli version of this as I'm not running lubuntu.
[18:55] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, according to the web there is a lubuntu 16.10.  Sorry if I'm wrong.
[18:56] <LinuxNovice> I am using the LTS version. that is 16.04
[18:56] <LinuxNovice> I just updated all the packages.
[18:56] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, one moment to give you some info.
[18:58] <LinuxNovice> ok. Last time I had asked this question, I had lost the connection. So, am not aware what transpired after that. Sorry for that.
[18:58] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, LTS means "Long Term Support".  This implies lots of things but for the people that need software to run forever it means that the release will be supported for a very long time.  But with that support comes some restrictions, those restrictions are that *packages* are not updated to the "latest and greatest" for stability reasons (or testing or a dozen other things)
[18:59] <ctjctj> You don't need LTS stability.  You have a particular problem that has been solved.  The 16.10, 17.04, 17.10 releases are not LTS.  They will not have that long term support but they do get changes.
[18:59] <LinuxNovice> As far as I can remember, I tried with Lubuntu 16.10 also.
[18:59] <ctjctj> When we move from one release to another things can break.
[19:00] <ctjctj> So for stability we don't want that to happen.  Since evince works *in most cases* in the 16.04 (3.18.2 version) there is no reason to move to a new release.
[19:00] <ctjctj> But in ubuntu 16.10 they did move to version 3.22 which solves your PDF issues as you rightly suspected.
[19:00] <LinuxNovice> I have evince installed now. I have tried with that too.
[19:00] <LinuxNovice> ok. Will try with 16.10 also.
[19:01] <ctjctj> So you need the more current version of evince.  The best way to get that 3.22 version of evince is to upgrade your lubuntu from 16.04 to 16.10.
[19:01] <cheshircat> Bashing-om: thanks for the speedy reply, I wasnt expecting to hear back so fast :) How exactly do you fix the boot code?
[19:01] <LinuxNovice> ok. Let me create a live usb of 16.10 and check if I can open those files.
[19:01] <xangua> ctjctj: pretty sure yakketty will never get gnome 3.22
[19:01] <ctjctj> So do that upgrade to Lubuntu 16.10 and let us know if that solved the issue for you.    run evince --version from the command line and you will see the version.
[19:01] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: Sorry, I have no UEFI experience, here I can not advise .
[19:02] <ctjctj> xangua, those are evince version numbers.
[19:02] <xangua> !info evince
[19:02] <ctjctj> xangua, I think you were making a joke? Maybe?
[19:02] <xangua> I see
[19:02] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[19:03] <cheshircat> Bashing-om: no worries, thanks anyways
[19:03] <LinuxNovice> Is 16.10 going to suit a beginner's needs?
[19:03] <xangua> So much problem for a PDF, can't you share it? Or is it confidential
[19:03] <Bashing-om> cheshircat: Hang loose here, others can advise who have the knowledge .
[19:03] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, 16.10 will do you just as well as 16.04 and maybe better.
[19:03] <nicomachus> LinuxNovice: for a beginner, an LTS release like 16.04 is probably best.
[19:04] <ctjctj> xangua, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/35534bos25026ipages1.pdf
[19:04] <LinuxNovice> I did share the last time I asked for solution. I lost connection in between.
[19:04] <LinuxNovice> ctjctj, that's great. Will try 16.10
[19:04] <ctjctj> nicomachus, you are correct. But LinuxNovice has a particular issue that needs resolving which is most easily solved for him with 16.10
[19:05] <sarkis> hey all - would you suggest the latest version of ubuntu desktop for a development workspace?
[19:05] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try with Xubuntu 16.10 this time.
[19:05] <ctjctj> xangua, the really cool thing is that you can read the PDF in firefox with the JS library for PDFs but if you download it with wget and test it fails for 3.18.2 and works for 3.22
[19:05] <nicomachus> ctjctj: ah, I missed that.
[19:05] <sarkis> so in this case Ubuntu 16.10
[19:06] <LinuxNovice> I will install it alongside this Lubuntu 16.04
[19:06] <sarkis> i like to keep my servers on LTS - but desktop i'd imagine latest is ok?
[19:06] <LinuxNovice> will that be ok?
[19:06] <ctjctj> nicomachus, no problem.  LinuxNovice has been working this issue for a while and had the right idea but the wrong way of asking earlier.  He's made great progress.
[19:06] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, don't install it, just run it as a livecd (or usb).  Download the file and test.  IF it tests, upgrade from 16.04 to 16.10.
[19:07] <Firefly67> tdannecy_: http://imgur.com/a/IBKqd
[19:07] <LinuxNovice> I checked in some places like distrowatch.com. Checked for the difference in the versions. Got this doubt that this issue could be because of that.
[19:07] <ctjctj> sarkis, my development team is using 14.04LTS for development but we'll migrate to 18.04 at some point.  *grin*  Just use a LTS for server support.
[19:08] <sarkis> ctjctj: same here .. using LTS - if you don't mind me asking what version do you use on your desktop?
[19:08] <sarkis> do you match your server version?
[19:08] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, it is hard to figure out if a particular issue will be fixed as there are so many issues.  I *know* that 16.10 will resolve your issue, but we'll prove it with a livecd and a test.
[19:08] <LinuxNovice> I checked the website of qpdfview also. They have versions higher that this.
[19:08] <sarkis> ctjctj: nvm i read that wrong - looks like you guys use 14.04 on your desktops? :)
[19:09] <LinuxNovice> ok. Need to download the image and create a live usb.
[19:09] <ctjctj> sarkis, my desktop runs 16.10.x.  I run a KVM virtual machine for development work.  So our desktops run at "latest and greatest" but our sandboxes run at 14.04LTS
[19:09] <sarkis> ah perfect - thanks ctjctj
[19:09] <feneco> ok, not sure if I was hacked yet
[19:09] <sarkis> now just waiting for Lenovo to "officially" announce the X1 Carbon 5th gen :D
[19:10] <feneco> maybe someone can help me analyze the logs
[19:10] <sarkis> going to finally make the leap from osx -> ubuntu for everyday ... on the X1 carbon
[19:10] <ctjctj> sarkis, I have a puppet configuration that keeps all of the servers (about 20) running the same software load.  It also keeps all of the development sandboxes (virtual machines) with *almost* the same software load.  The differences are how noisy they are in telling our system admins when something happens.
[19:11] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Perfect. You're in the right place. Set a label to "Ubuntu" or something you'll remember and click "Add". Then when you're finished, you'll have to accept the changes. That should take a minute or two.
[19:11] <feneco> I couldn't find anything on bash history, both for my user and root
[19:12] <ctjctj> sarkis, the path we took was to lock the development environment to a LTS but to allow the developers to use whatever host OS they wanted at whatever software revisions they wanted.
[19:12] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, it now says "1 operation pending" at the bottom of the window - is that ok?
[19:12] <tekk> hey guys, is there a way to force ubuntu to apply a network config to "any" NIC...
[19:12] <Bashing-om> tdannecy_: Firefly67 A swap partition ??
[19:12] <tekk> the scenario is this...
[19:12] <tekk> i have a machine thats headless, it expects to configure eth0
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yes. That's what you'll be doing when you click "Accept".
[19:13] <tekk> but the card will come up as eth1 and i need it to take the netwrok config
[19:13] <ctjctj> sarkis, so I have some devs running Apples on laptops, some use Ubuntu laptops, some are using M$ laptops, some (me) use desktop machines.  But all of us have a local VM that looks just like a server.
[19:13] <Firefly67> and also, "Create primary partition #1 (ext4, 94 GB) on /dev/sda"
[19:13] <tekk> until the weekend i can't get it not-headless
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Bashing-om: BAH swap. Psh. Nah.
[19:13] <LinuxNovice> So, I feel that Debian Stable would have even older versions of packages than what Ubuntu LTS has. is it so?
[19:13] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Yep. That's what you need.
[19:13] <Firefly67> Bashing-om, idk, I think I am creating space for Ubuntu
[19:13] <xdevnull> Hello people, I've problem. I don't have any sound in my ubuntu. However, i tried to run aplay -l. I think the device has been detected.
[19:14] <xdevnull> if i go to sound setting. almost everything is disabled
[19:14] <ctjctj> tekk, you can use the /etc/network/interface configuration file if need be?
[19:14] <tekk> i do use that ctjctj but it requires specifying the name of the nic
[19:14] <ctjctj> xdevnull, what version of ubuntu?
[19:14] <tekk> i wondered if there was a "Wildcard" style setting
[19:14] <n-iCe> Ok, I thought my device was screwed or something, but tried with another and the same, the thing is, I cannot connect a bluetooth device(speaker, and headphones) and make ubuntu to sound though those devices, any idea?
[19:14] <tekk> that would apply the interfaces config to any connceted nic
[19:15] <xdevnull> 16.04 LTS
[19:15] <ctjctj> tekk have you read "man interfaces"?
[19:15] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, when it says "pending", does it mean it is doing something? Should I wait for a "done" message? "top" doesn't seem to indicate anything is happening
[19:15] <LinuxNovice> guys, Debian Stable not for beginners?
[19:16] <tekk> ah
[19:16] <tekk> INTERFACE TEMPLATES
[19:16] <tekk> iface ethernet inet static
[19:16] <tekk> or am i up the wrong tree?
[19:16] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, given the name of the channel the answer is going to be "Ubuntu"
[19:16] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: There should be a "Go" or "Apply" or "Accept" or "Make it so" button at the top of the window. I don't have a good screenshot, but that's what you're looking for.
[19:16] <mazen160_> Hi
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> will I face such problems, I explained above because of not having the latest versions of packages?
[19:17] <ctjctj> tekk, what you are asking to do is non-standard for me.  There is a default that says to use DHCP.
[19:17] <mazen160_> Is there is anyone from Ubuntu security team online?
[19:17] <tekk> ctjctj, for any interface?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> tekk: Depends on "who" controls networking .. the system or do you manually manage networking ?
[19:17] <ctjctj> I don't understand why you want a default manual configuration as that would cause problems if you ever had more than one interface.
[19:17] <tekk> manuially
[19:17] <LinuxNovice> the problem was because of the difference in the package versions, I feel.
[19:17] <tekk> its ubuntu-server
[19:18] <ctjctj> tekk, as far as I know you should have it default to DHCP.  If not DHCP then get the interface name and configure it.  That interface name should not change.
[19:18] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, /dev/sda7 has been created
[19:18] <blami> LinuxNovice: in Ubuntu LTS you'll get pretty recent and stable versions of software. I've personally never run into any missing feature issue.
[19:18] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Great! Now go back to the Ubuntu installer window and refresh the drives.
[19:18] <ctjctj> LinuxNovice, you can use which ever distribution you wish.  I have suggested using 16.10
[19:19] <tekk> during installation it finds the interface thats active
[19:19] <tekk> afterwards it needs manually editing
[19:19] <tdannecy_> You're going to point your install to /dev/sda7
[19:19] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, what do you mean by refreshing the drives?
[19:19] <Bashing-om> tekk: Then if you are manage networking, make sure that ' dpkg -l network-manager ' returns null .
[19:20] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Just make sure the ubuntu installer shows your new partition.
[19:20] <blami> LinuxNovice: in case you need anything bleeding edge or so, you can install latest into virtual machine or so... it's safer and hurts less when there's an unexpected error and something goes wrong
[19:20] <LinuxNovice> ok
[19:20] <ctjctj> tekk, that might be the case but the name of the interface should not change once you've booted the first time.
[19:21] <marco__> !list
[19:21] <MOUD> VLC doesn't show subtitles or any kind of text (like increasing/decreasing volume, audio speed, etc). How can I fix it?
[19:21] <xdevnull> ctjctj, I installed PulseAudio now everything is ok.
[19:21] <Bashing-om> !alis | marco__
[19:21] <tekk> ctjctj, the interface name can change if i add /remove / change nics
[19:22] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Can you see the menu text? (File, View, etc)
[19:22] <aab> exit
[19:22] <Fohlen> heya there, I am having some errors and warning on startup in my vnc console, where would I find the respective logs on the disk? (since I can't capture them via vnc)
[19:22] <ctjctj> tekk, that depends *greatly* on the ubuntu version.  The NEW interface will get a NEW name.  but the given interface should always have the same name.  See udev
[19:22] <Fohlen> I've tried dmesg but it contains no errors
[19:22] <tekk> yes true
[19:23] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, so I choose /dev/sda7 ext4 in the "installation type" window?
[19:23] <tekk> so i basically want the NEW interface to use the /etc/network/interfaces config for the OLD interface automatically with no intervention from me
[19:23] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: I think you're on the right track, but to be sure I'd need a screenshot.
[19:23] <tekk> and i know no way of doing that without making some kind of start-up script that will enumerate interfaces and edit the file.. which is hacky at best
[19:24] <blami> tekk: so you want new interface added automatically?
[19:24] <tekk> and for it to use the existing config yes
[19:24] <tekk> it may be claled p3p0 instead of eth0 for example
[19:24] <blami> tekk: why don't use network manager which autoenumerates interfaces?
[19:24] <tekk> can i use network-manager on cli ?
[19:24] <blami> tekk: sure
[19:24] <tekk> interesting
[19:24] <tekk> i'm not destined to need to use /etc/network/interfaces
[19:24] <MOUD> tdannecy_, yes
[19:25] <ctjctj> tekk, blami I believe that what he is doing is planning on testing different NICs.  And he wants each nic, one at a time, to use the same manual configuration.  And not DHCP.
[19:25] <tekk> so network-manager is a great option if it works as i need it to
[19:25] <blami> ctjctj: i don't see why he couldn't do that with nmcli
[19:26] <ctjctj> blami, I don't know either.
[19:26] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Go to Tools > Preferences > Video and tell me what's listed as the output.
[19:26] <blami> tekk: clean way to do it without networkmanager is to prepare systemd generator stencil
[19:26] <MOUD> tdannecy_, automatic
[19:26] <blami> tekk: but that requires knowledge about systemd generators and way how systemd communicates with udev
[19:27] <tekk> right
[19:27] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Play with those options and see if changing that fixes the issue.
[19:27] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, does this look ok: http://imgur.com/a/YTmnE
[19:27] <Firefly67> do I click on "install now"
[19:28] <tdannecy_> Firefly67: Before you start, right click on the sda7 partition and assign a mount point of "/"
[19:30] <MOUD> tdannecy_, it's working now. Output: XVideo output (XCB). I was trying to make it work since yesterday. Thank you very much :)
[19:30] <blami> tekk: I have had a lot of hackery around ifup/ifdown /etc/network/interfaces and udev. You don't want to do that as networking is porcelain and unpredictable... Now I have that hackery (profile switching, drive automounting, vpn autoinitialization, docker routing) around networkmanager and it's way more maintainable
[19:30] <tdannecy_> MOUD: Good to hear! You're welcome.
[19:30] <Firefly67> tdannecy_, if I right click, nothing happens. Do you mean I should change "device for boot loader installation" at the bottom?