[04:39] <waters33637> Question: Webmin has problems with ubuntu .. as i just found out ... does ispconfig or ebox work better .. or do they have the same problem with ubuntu?
[05:20] <VelusUniverseSys> from personal experiance ispconfig is built towards deb based unix never heard of ebox
[05:24] <VelusUniverseSys> waters33637,
[05:26] <VelusUniverseSys> and waters33637 reading on the ebox (or what i can see is it) it seems to support ubuntu as in the front page its on about ubuntu
[05:36] <cihhan> hi all! i am trying to install xfce4 to my ubuntu server -- i installed by apt-get install xfce4; however it doesnt auto start and i have to write startxfce4 everytime. is there a way to make it run at automatically at boot time?
[08:58] <John[Lisbeth]> I'm looking for some thorough online materials about dist-upgrade
[08:58] <John[Lisbeth]> preparing for my first one from 15.10 to 16.04
[09:07] <Seveas> John[Lisbeth]: don't use dist-upgrade for that.
[09:07] <Seveas> do-release-upgrade is what you want
[09:50] <John[Lisbeth]> Does do-release-upgrade only go one way, and how does it determine which version to install?
[12:04] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[12:51] <k2gremlin> lordievader, Morning :P
[12:53] <lordievader> Hey k2gremlin
[12:54] <k2gremlin> lordievader, So what's on your agenda today?
[12:54] <lordievader> Not much, finishing some assignment.
[12:54] <k2gremlin> lordievader, I need to finish my bio paper :/
[12:55] <k2gremlin> and figure out why my openvpn traffic is retarded.
[13:14] <if_gaga0> hello all ! i have 15.10 and xen-4.5 kernel, that kernel have bug, and i will patched they. My question is: how i can get ubuntu xen4.5 kernel sources? How-to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel for kernel source without xen 4.5 patches
[13:52] <RoyK> if_gaga0: my question is: Why do you use xen when kvm does it far better?
[13:53] <if_gaga0> RoyK: because, i'm need PV mode
[13:54] <RoyK> what is that?
[13:54] <RoyK> paravirt?
[13:54] <RoyK> kvm has paravirt all the way
[13:54] <if_gaga0> yep, paravirt
[13:55] <RoyK> even amazon has kicked out xen
[13:55] <if_gaga0> http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ#What_is_the_difference_between_KVM_and_Xen.3F
[13:56] <RoyK> what sort of guests are you running?
[13:56] <waters33637> VelusUniverseSys: Thanks ...
[13:57] <if_gaga0> "KVM does not support paravirtualization for CPU"
[13:57] <RoyK> what sort of guests are you running?
[13:57] <RoyK> do you need cpu paravirt?
[13:58] <RoyK> most of us just need that for I/O
[13:58] <if_gaga0> yep, i'm have 90% of linux vm
[13:58] <RoyK> then kvm will be fine
[13:58] <if_gaga0> 95%
[13:58] <RoyK> on windows too
[13:58] <RoyK> imho xen is a pita
[14:00] <if_gaga0> may be
[14:01] <RoyK> I stopped using xen som 4-5 years ago
[14:05] <if_gaga0> RoyK: Overall, Xen and KVM were performing well compared to the host's performance. Xen tended to have the most wins while KVM generally came in right behind and the two were very competitive with one another, either are great solutions for Linux virtualization depending upon your specific needs (c) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1510-virt&num=5
[14:06] <RoyK> if_gaga0: the bonus with kvm is that you don't need to care about reserving memory to the machines, and no need for a specific kernel, and it's widely supported
[14:07] <if_gaga0> can you clarify about "memory reserving" ?
[14:09] <if_gaga0> for dom0?
[14:25] <RoyK> if_gaga0: iirc xen reserves memory for domU and only lets the dom0 use the rest - kvm is dynamic on this
[14:25] <RoyK> if_gaga0: I don't see a single reason of using xen these days
[14:52] <if_gaga0> RoyK: thnx for notion
[15:06] <John[Lisbeth]> Does do-release-upgrade only go one way, and how does it determine which version to install?
[15:09] <patdk-lap> it installs the next version
[15:09] <patdk-lap> that is all it does
[15:36] <RoyK> John[Lisbeth]: it installs the next version - if you're on LTS, it installs the next LTS version - see /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades - if it says "lts" it will only upgrade to lts releases - if it says "normal" it'll upgrade to whatever's the next thing
[16:16] <kauli_> hello, I would like to run dynamips on ubuntu server and I would like to read cisco image when I write dynamips -H 7000 it is open it and bulid date and get hypervisor TCP control startec port 7000 but nothing happen after that or try to read configration file ??
[16:25] <kauli_> hello, I would like to run dynamips on ubuntu server and I would like to read cisco image when I write dynamips -H 7000 it is open it and bulid date and get hypervisor TCP control startec port 7000 but nothing happen after that or try to read configration file ??
[17:44] <John[Lisbeth]> Would you say it is safe to upgrade a system to 16.04 at this point, or would you wait until april?
[17:44] <John[Lisbeth]> It's not mission critical
[17:45] <teward> i would not, John[Lisbeth]
[17:45] <teward> John[Lisbeth]: stick with teh LTS, or 15.10 if you need newer software.
[17:45] <teward> i would wait for 16.04 release first
[17:45] <John[Lisbeth]> Alright, thanks for the heads up.
[18:44] <tucemiux> anyone knows if there is a GUI app that will allow you to remotely administer virtual machines stored on kvm ?
[19:02] <Sling> tucemiux: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools
[19:40] <VelusUniverseSys> how od i upgrade again without reinstalling /
[19:40] <VelusUniverseSys> ?
[19:45] <Sling> VelusUniverseSys: upgrade what to what?
[19:48] <VelusUniverseSys> 15.04 to 15.10
[19:48] <Sling> do-release-upgrade
[19:50] <VelusUniverseSys> im asuming to do an update from 15 - 16 would mean a whole wipe and resintall?
[19:51] <Sling> not really, you never have to 'wipe'
[19:51] <Sling> this isn't windows ;)
[19:54] <VelusUniverseSys> lol yeah but would be hard on a vps system lol
[19:54] <Sling> how so?
[19:55] <VelusUniverseSys> well how would i be able to upgrade from 15 - 16 without any disks and in comandline only
[19:55] <VelusUniverseSys> do-release-upgrade?
[19:58] <VelusUniverseSys> all i can say is thank god for tywo screens at work and home lol i can watch the upgrade and code at the same time
[20:03] <Sling> VelusUniverseSys: yes, with do-release-upgrade, over the internet
[20:03] <Sling> it will update the repository and fetch all needed packages
[20:05] <VelusUniverseSys> even from 15 - 16
[20:05] <Sling> yes
[20:06] <Sling> 16 just means it's one of the releases in 2016
[20:06] <VelusUniverseSys> thats cool thought you couldnt but yeah when will 16 be relased
[20:06] <Sling> always in april and october
[20:06] <Sling> hence the 04 and 10
[20:06] <VelusUniverseSys> ok cool
[20:06] <Sling> 16.04 = april 2016
[20:06] <VelusUniverseSys> would 16 be lts?
[20:06] <Sling> yup
[20:06] <VelusUniverseSys> and would 16 have php7?
[20:07] <maswan> yes
[20:07] <VelusUniverseSys> good i wonder when centos will get php7 lol they still on php5.5 now
[20:07] <Sling> probably (unless there is a confirmation somewhere I didn't see yet)
[20:07] <maswan> Package: php
[20:07] <maswan> Depends: php7.0
[20:07] <Sling> cool
[20:08] <maswan> I'm on 16 for my laptop
[20:08] <Sling> VelusUniverseSys: well 5.5 isn't *that* old
[20:08] <Sling> there was no php6
[20:08] <VelusUniverseSys> yeah i know but they are behind on stuff most things these days are on php5.6 and there is a bit you cant do on php 5.5 that you can on 5.6
[20:09] <VelusUniverseSys> i cant wait to see how my apps run on php 7? see if they break or not lol
[20:10] <maswan> I know people still working on migrating off centos5, it is starting to get really painful for thme now
[20:11] <VelusUniverseSys> yeah i used to love it it was good but its so behind i didnt know this till a while back then i found fedora yeah thats good and nearly up to date but it goes out of date quick so now im on ubutu now
[20:12] <VelusUniverseSys> and thinking of creating my own os for me to use
[20:12] <VelusUniverseSys> lol
[20:12] <VelusUniverseSys> well two really one for me and one for a group of people to use lol
[21:37] <Razva> any idea why all the servers that I connect to MAAS got shut down, and I have no option to start them...?
[23:11] <VelusUniverseSys> sarnold, it looks like im going with nginx and rtmp which will hopefully be better
[23:41] <compdoc> ubuntu server doesnt have a subsys directory. What happens when I install a program that specifies /var/run/subsys? does it just get ignored?
[23:46] <RoyK> compdoc: iirc /var/run is /run, which is tmpfs, so that program needs to create the subsys dir to be able to use it, or you'll need to hack it into somewhere in systemd or somewhere


[16:48] <sjw> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all is outdated since 10th of April because of build failures
[18:29] <Unit193> Mhmm, sure is.  Dude that does them doesn't have a lot of spare time, so they tend to take a little to get fixed (or it's upstream's fault. ;) )
[20:43] <sjw>  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all is outdated since 10th of April because of buil failures


[00:13] <gouki> Do I have to ask here to get locobot_1 removed or do I just kick it?
[00:13] <gouki> From a channel, I mean.
[00:13] <Seeker`> gouki: I suspect asking here would be best
[00:13] <Seeker`> arand: how can we help you?
[00:14] <gouki> Can someone please remove locobot_1 from #ubuntu-pt?
[00:14] <Seeker`> I'm not sure who runs that bot
[00:14] <Seeker`> may be worth brining it up in
[00:14] <Seeker`> #ubuntu-irc too
[00:14] <gouki> Seeker`, thank you,
[00:15] <arand> The !installing factoid still mentions known bugs for ubiquity dapper, is that really relevant?
[00:16] <Seeker`> feel free to suggest a replacement
[00:22] <arand> The other items seem fairly relevant, so I figured just removing the dapper item would clear it up a bit...
[00:25] <Seeker`> !installing
[00:27] <Seeker`> someone else will take a look at it, not on the right client for it atm
[00:29] <arand> All bugs referenced there seems to be fixed. First item seems to be closed via https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubiquity-advanced-partitioner, not sure about the powerpc thing though, but it does seem like a lot of irrelevant/ outdated info there
[00:31] <Seeker`> yeah, I saw
[00:32] <Seeker`> just a pain to correct it while accessing irc using PuTTY
[00:49] <arand> Ok, just wanted to point it out.
[00:52] <tsimpson> Dapper is still supported until 2011, so it should be there
[00:52] <tsimpson> (on the server)
[00:53] <tsimpson> but then again, ubiquity is the GUI installer, so maybe not
[00:54] <tsimpson> !no installing is <reply> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[00:54] <Seeker`> 3ty
[01:09] <wgrant> tsimpson: Right, Dapper Ubiquity has been unsupported since June.
[01:37] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:38] <Seeker`> @login
[01:38] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[01:39] <Seeker`> I think -ot could do with some eyes
[08:23] <bazhang> eyes on Hajuu
[14:53] <Tm_T> uh oh
[14:56] <vox> anyone alive?
[14:56] <Tm_T> yes?
[14:56] <Bodsda> Excuse me kind sirs/madam's could we please have some assistance with a spammer/troll in #ubuntu please
[14:57] <Bodsda> nvm, already dealt with
[14:57] <vox> just remove ^^
[14:57] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[14:57] <vox> Guest96712<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:57] <vox> *removed
[14:57] <Bodsda> Thank you
[15:59] <jrib> !cube
[16:00] <jrib> !cube =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/g
[16:00] <jrib> !cube =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[16:00] <jrib> !cube
[16:00] <jrib> ubottu i hate you
[16:00] <jrib> !-cube
[16:00] <jrib> !composite =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[16:01] <jrib> !cube
[16:01] <jrib> !composite =~ s/ubotu/ubottu/
[16:01] <jrib> though don't most other factoids just have "!compiz" instead of /msg?
[16:28] <jussio1> jrib: its preferable to have /msg than !
[16:28] <jrib> jussio1: k
[16:28] <jussio1> if we have space
[16:29] <jussio1> reason being, if someone calls 2 factoids at the end, then we get more channel noise.
[16:36] <sblunix> Hey guys
[16:36] <sblunix> Just wondering if you were aware of user "dns"
[16:37] <sblunix> Everytime someone logs into #ubuntu It sends:
[16:37] <sblunix> -dns- Welcome to #ubuntu - You want BNC? For FREE? Yes! Visit and Click Text! : ( http://vpsnetwork.info )
[16:37] <sblunix> I don't think it's an actual part of ubuntu...
[16:43] <jrib> I queried dns and he agreed to stop
[16:43] <jrib> now he's asking me how old I am...
[17:17] <Seeker`> jrib: asl lol
[18:03] <Tm_T> jussio1: hi
[18:04] <MenZa> ILoveMyGlock, Grexo - connection, anyone?
[18:06] <Seeker`> dunno who Grexo is
[18:06] <MenZa> bantracker records, anyone?
[18:06] <MenZa><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <MenZa> He's the only one connecting from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but would anyone care to suggest a better mask?
[18:08] <Seeker`> grex*@host?
[18:09] <MenZa> hmm, aye
[18:10] <MenZa> fixed, Seeker`
[18:10] <MenZa> cheers
[18:38] <CosmiChaos> hello
[18:39] <CosmiChaos>  Kann nicht beitreten #ubuntu-de (Sie sind gebannt).
[18:39] <CosmiChaos>  Kann nicht beitreten #ubuntu-de-offtopic (Sie sind gebannt).
[18:39] <CosmiChaos> i would like to ask for unban please
[18:40] <CosmiChaos> its month ago
[18:40] <CosmiChaos> monthes
[18:40] <MenZa> CosmiChaos: Bitte in #ubuntu-irc fragen; hier können wir nur mit die core-channels hilfen.
[18:41] <CosmiChaos> MenZa, danke bye
[18:41] <MenZa> :)
[18:41]  * MenZa one-ups bazhang, instantly!
[18:42]  * MenZa makes weird gestures.
[19:16] <ikonia> cosmicchaos is a long time problem
[19:16] <ikonia> he's been banned from a few ubuntu channels
[19:16] <ikonia> I'm not surpised he was banned from -de
[21:03] <MenZa> We don't have !quickly.
[21:09] <AxxxA> hi guys
[21:09] <AxxxA> i really need help
[21:09] <AxxxA> my friend saved over a file on his mac
[21:09] <Flannel> AxxxA: This isn't #ubuntu
[21:10] <AxxxA> how do i join it
[21:10] <nalioth> AxxxA: please clean up your ident and join #ubuntu
[21:10] <Flannel> You've been forwar... yeah
[21:11] <Ravi_S> guys
[21:12] <Ravi_S> how do i get to #ubuntu
[21:12] <Flannel> Ravi_S: Not your nick, your ident.   Thought I recognized it but ...
[22:57] <Flannel> Yeah
[22:57] <Pricey> I wonders what sort of person would realise that is a bash comment, and paste it into their terminal.
[22:57] <Pricey> I also wonder.
[22:57] <Pricey> and command, i'll be quiet now.
[22:57] <Flannel> One wouldn't think it
[22:58]  * nickrud has seen many strange things
[23:00] <MenZa> nickrud: Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?!
[23:00] <nickrud> what a dirty thought !
[23:16] <nalioth> what a lovely person
[23:16] <jrib> hi nigra
[23:16] <jrib> bye nigra
[23:17] <ikonia> not quite grasped it's the ident not the nick
[23:17] <jrib> hahaah: welcome back
[23:18] <jrib> sad
[23:18] <ikonia> ahh, it's a trolling attempt then
[23:18] <nalioth> not sure we want him in #ubuntu anyway, tbh
[23:18] <ikonia> arand: how can we help ?
[23:18] <elky> hahaah, your ident still has "fuck" in it.
[23:19] <jrib> might want to change the real name too
[23:19] <arand> Dougdoug4 is (what I would guess) trolling in #ubuntu again
[23:19] <arand> Although, it seems like you're already on it?
[23:19] <ikonia> arand: I'll look at it closer, thanks
[23:19]  * jrib did not know dougdoug4 was known
[23:19] <jrib> thanks arand
[23:20] <ikonia> ha ha, made it into #ubuntu
[23:20] <nickrud> I got a heads up, that's why I kept up with him
[23:20] <ikonia> and flooded it with cunt
[23:20] <jrib> heh, we should have forwarded the ip pre-emptively :)
[23:20] <jrib> heh all that work for two lines of spam...
[23:20] <Flannel> ikonia: Believe h...whatever was a mistab for you
[23:20] <arand> thanks
[23:20] <nickrud> ikonia, you sure you got the right nick>?
[23:21] <ikonia> Flannel: no, my client lagged after the ban
[23:21] <Flannel> happosade?
[23:21] <ikonia> I've pm'd apologies to him
[23:21] <ikonia> it got the right IP - but then picked the wrong nick
[23:22] <Flannel> Right
[23:22] <ikonia> I seem to be lagging quite bad
[23:22] <Flannel> c112-106 is consistent
[23:23] <jrib> floodbots...
[23:23] <elky> * exodus_ms 8yo is now asking what that word is o_O
[23:23] <Flannel> well, plus the latter stuff
[23:23] <ikonia> he has a lot of ip's
[23:23] <elky> they're gone now
[23:23] <ikonia> elky: I know, feel bad for him
[23:23] <elky> ikonia, optusnet is easy for new leases. that's how panarchy was such a pain
[23:23] <elky> i'm somewhat suspecting this is thefeds btw
[23:24] <jrib> should we go +r?
[23:24] <Flannel><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:24] <Flannel> so far that's consistent with all of them
[23:24] <ikonia> elky: concur
[23:25] <ikonia> I've not kicked him on purpose
[23:25] <jrib> Flannel: yeah, put that up
[23:25] <elky> could whoever broke the bantracker please un-break it?
[23:26] <LjL> you banned what's probably a legitimate user who's in #ubuntu, naught101
[23:26] <LjL> what about the ident/realname? they haven't changed so far
[23:26] <ikonia> looking
[23:26] <ikonia> the ident have changed
[23:26] <ikonia> he was in here with "fuck" based idents
[23:26] <ikonia> changed them to get around the ban
[23:27] <LjL> well, not in th wave i have in my backscroll though
[23:27] <Flannel> could just +e naught101, he's identified/registered
[23:27] <elky> Flannel, yep
[23:29] <LjL> another thing, do you think you could revior Dougdoug4? with the best will in the world, he's a known troll, and he's received *8* bot warnings in like 30 minutes. his UPPERCASE ranting seriously impaired #ubuntu conversation, in a continued way.
[23:29] <LjL> consider also he previously connected as "MsgServer"... honestly.
[23:30] <nickrud> he's gone, or at least by that nick
[23:30] <Flannel> oh bother
[23:30] <LjL> i know he's gone, but when i called !ops, after waiting *quite* some time, "nothing happened"
[23:30] <jrib> heh
[23:30] <ikonia> I went to remove him and he's gone a while ago
[23:30] <Flannel> What'd I just do?
[23:30] <MenZa> oh dear
[23:30] <MenZa> read alert, captain
[23:30] <nickrud> ? Seemed easily turned to me. Or he was
[23:31] <Flannel> What's +l did I remove it and need to reset it? or was it never set?
[23:31]  * Flannel goes to check
[23:31] <LjL> Flannel: nothing
[23:31] <LjL> it's just join limit
[23:31] <LjL> was never set
[23:31] <ikonia> Flannel: I removed your ban on lastlog ;)
[23:31] <LjL> well, not true, it was set for a while by the floodbots, but that stopped long ago
[23:31] <Flannel> ikonia: It was an e, but thanks
[23:32] <ikonia> oh, I thought I saw +b
[23:32] <ikonia> ahh you where right
[23:32] <LjL> nickrud, you've joined when he was at his second entrance, you should review also what happened before you joined to get an opinion
[23:32] <elky> are ubottu and ubot3 on the same infrastructure?
[23:32] <tonyyarusso> elky: No.
[23:32] <Flannel> jrib: Please verify my +e was the right mask :)
[23:32] <nickrud> behavior improved then?
[23:32] <MenZa> Odd for them to... die similtaneously then. o_O
[23:32]  * Flannel is obviously having an odd hour.
[23:33] <jrib> Flannel: looks good
[23:33] <tonyyarusso> elky: ubottu runs the latest code, and ubot3 is at least older, but as I understand it also slightly non-standard.
[23:33] <Flannel> Thankee
[23:33] <LjL> that +e works, but if naught101 ever disconnects, anyone will be able to connect with that nickname and be exempt from bans
[23:33] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: I think she meant the same physical box.
[23:33] <LjL> because +e's work on unidentified people too
[23:33] <tonyyarusso> oh
[23:33] <tonyyarusso> I think that's also a no though
[23:34] <MenZa> Then why would they die similtaneously?
[23:34] <MenZa> Exploit? o_O?
[23:34] <Pricey> I think we should get rid of that +e
[23:34] <MenZa> Or just... random coincidence?
[23:34] <LjL> MenZa: or both were connected to the same freenode server, and that had trouble
[23:34] <elky> MenZa, physical box/rack in DC/DC, whatever.
[23:34] <Pricey> Flannel: exempts are very scary things, and in that case can be very easily exploited.
[23:34] <LjL> (no, i don't actually have evidence of freenode server trouble. just saying)
[23:35] <ikonia> night chaps, I'm exausted
[23:35] <elky> Pricey, it's only temporary until the flooding dies down, which is probably the case by now.
[23:35] <ikonia> elky: sorry - "night all"
[23:35] <jrib> Pricey: I think it makes sense to take it down once the ip ban is removed
[23:35] <LjL> why not make the *IP* exempt instead?
[23:35] <Pricey> THe +b is useless if whoever it is sees that +e
[23:35] <jrib> true
[23:35] <LjL> it'd be very hard for an attacker to come into possession of that IP specifically; on the other hand, taking the nick can be easy
[23:35] <Pricey> Which if they've any sense, will.
[23:36] <LjL> Pricey: well, not 100% useless, unless they can DoS the real naught101 or they disconnect.
[23:36] <elky> i'd say lift both the exempt and ban for now
[23:36] <Flannel> elky: Apparently ##linux is still getting hammered?
[23:37] <jrib> all better?
[23:37] <elky> is it? i have more sense than to be there
[23:37] <Flannel> I have no idea.  -ot is mentioning it
[23:37] <jrib> Flannel: I switched the exemption to the ip in case you remove the ban later
[23:37] <Flannel> jrib: Aye.  I saw it
[23:39] <LjL> nickrud et al, http://pastebin.ca/1662702 gives an idea of all that dougdoug4 triggered tonight
[23:40] <elky> LjL, i did what i could whilst on the phone organising surgery, sorry it wasn't enough
[23:40] <LjL> elky: oh, that was better than nothing.
[23:41] <LjL> i was however under the impression that ops were definitely looking
[23:41] <LjL> consider that well before i called ! ops, someone else did adding "Dougdoug4 abusing CAPS, was already warned"
[23:41] <krummlauf> hehehehehehehehe
[23:41] <elky> oh really now?
[23:41] <LjL> i think when things reach the point that people are frustrated at a troll like that, and think nobody is doing anything about it, they will leave the channel, and that cannot be good
[23:43] <elky> krummlauf, can we help you with something?
[23:45] <elky> krummlauf, this channel is not here for spectators. is there a specific issue you need us to help with? if not, kindly see the /topic
[23:49] <LjL> oh i guess i'll come back when and if there's not very many spectators
[23:57] <MenZa> Can someone confirm my banmask in -ot?
[23:57] <sjefen6> Bomj is spamming adult contect
[23:57] <sjefen6> *content
[23:58] <nalioth> what do you want us to confirm it as, MenZa ?
[23:58] <MenZa> As banning grex* (for ident) and forward to -ops
[23:58] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: Mask looks fine, but what's it for?
[23:58] <tonyyarusso> sjefen6: where?
[23:59] <sjefen6> in pm's
[23:59] <MenZa> tonyyarusso: See above :P
[23:59] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[23:59]  * nalioth watches all the ops /cycle  :P
[23:59] <tonyyarusso> MenZa: oh, and now that I look closer, mc44 is right


[03:09] <snap-l> rick_h__: Well, your name is anonymous, with you icon as the frisbee icon, and it says that you haven't shared anything with me (private)
[03:11] <rick_h__> gotcha
[12:00] <greg-g> g'morning
[12:04] <rick_h__> morning
[12:31] <rick_h__> damn that deal of the day
[12:31] <rick_h__> snap-l: how dare you tell me of it
[12:34] <brousch> rick_h__: wallet lighter and kindle heavier today?
[12:36] <rick_h__> yea
[12:44] <brousch> so many metaphors break down in the digital age
[12:52] <rick_h__> yea, guess it's more "wallet found/used and kindle with less free memory today?"
[12:53] <rick_h__> I've got to get me a DX this year
[12:54] <rick_h__> hopefully they'll have new ones out around school time
[13:18] <brousch> i'm considering getting this http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920016632
[13:18] <rick_h__> I thought the point of app inventor was that you didn't need a book
[13:18] <rick_h__> it was so easy kids could use it kind of thing?
[13:19] <rick_h__> wow, 384 pages?
[13:19] <rick_h__> guess I'm wrong...or lots of screenshots
[13:20] <brousch> hah
[13:22] <snap-l> rick_h__: I know, right?
[13:22] <rick_h__>  snap-l yea, record two books in two days
[13:22] <brousch> did you also see "Building Android Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript"? http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920010067
[13:22] <snap-l> That's a record? :)
[13:22] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, there are a few books like that I've been checking reviews on
[13:23] <rick_h__> snap-l: lol, for me
[13:23] <rick_h__> I had only gotten one deal before
[13:23] <snap-l> rick_h__: I thought it would have been 7 books in 2 days.
[13:23] <rick_h__> but I'm starting to check my machine for bugs
[13:23] <rick_h__> oh, I just mean deal of the day purchases
[13:23] <rick_h__> lol, get books all the time, though I've been working hard to stick to the new year's resolution
[13:23] <brousch> i really need a tablet so i can read these things on the couch
[13:24] <brousch> rick_h__: a new year's resolution to buy _fewer_ books?
[13:24] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, "read less..do more"
[13:24] <rick_h__> bah, lcd isn't for reading, but man that DX is getting hard to resist
[13:25] <snap-l> The line is due for a refresh anyway.
[13:25] <rick_h__> yea, why I'm waiting
[13:25] <rick_h__> see what the new one is and maybe save some $$ on a used model
[13:25] <rick_h__> Blazeix must be looking to upgrade soon :)
[13:26] <snap-l> ;)
[13:27] <brousch> i only have 1 hour stretches of time to read, so lcd is sufficient. it's just a pita to balance a laptop for reading on the couch
[13:27] <rick_h__> yea, laptop reading is fail as well
[13:27] <rick_h__> I do a lot of 'read to sleep' stuff
[13:27] <rick_h__> so the ereader without the bright light is good for that last 30-60min before bed
[13:28] <brousch> i would looooove one of these http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-limited-edition-review/
[13:28] <brousch> 1280x800 on 10" screen
[13:28] <brousch> also i want an android tablet so my son can play around with it
[13:29] <brousch> i'm getting annoyed that tigerdirect hasn't sent a replacement for my buggy archos tablet
[13:34] <snap-l> They may have trouble sourcing one
[13:38] <brousch> yeah, so send my money back ;)
[13:54] <brousch> damnit, they have the thing supposedly in stock in one of their stores in naperville, il. grab it off the shelf and send it to me!
[13:54] <rick_h__> ruh roh, they've angered the brousch
[13:55] <brousch> well it's been a month, and i really wanted it for monday's mobile web development meeting
[13:55] <rick_h__> ah, yea sucky
[14:01] <brousch> hm, it says i may be able to substitute. this is the same price http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7330044&CatId=6957
[14:31] <brousch> damn fools cancelled my back order and credited me back, but didn't notify me by email
[14:34] <rick_h__> heh, well at least it's not that they ignored you for a month
[14:34] <rick_h__> now you can go order whatever you want
[14:45] <brousch> i should just bite the bullet and get a nook color
[14:45] <rick_h__> heh, wait they have an announcment coming
[14:46] <rick_h__> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385535,00.asp
[14:47] <brousch> probably a new nook color now with encrypted bootloader!
[14:48] <rick_h__> you know it
[14:48] <rick_h__> they don'e like all that hacking
[14:51] <brousch> i can stay out of trouble with the wife by asking for it for my birthday 6/30. by that time i'll find out what the new one is
[14:53] <rick_h__> there you go, now you're thinking
[14:53] <rick_h__> I got in trouble, ordered a vacuum lol
[14:55] <_stink_> rick_h__: did you create a comparison matrix for the vacuum too?
[14:55] <rick_h__> heh no
[14:55] <snap-l> rick_h__: On the surface that doesn't sound troublesome
[14:55] <rick_h__> I knew I wanted to try one of these dyson
[14:55] <rick_h__> and woot had one so took the bait
[14:55] <rick_h__> but it's over the agreed "we'll discuss with sig other" $$
[14:56] <rick_h__> so I got in trouble :P
[14:56] <brousch> foot-pounds of suction / decibel of noise?
[14:56] <_stink_> hehe, i get it
[14:56] <rick_h__> so brousch is a wise man
[14:59] <brousch> rarely
[15:36] <krondor> rich_h__:  recorded some audio with that mic, it's working great!  Thanks again.
[15:36] <rick_h__> krondor: awesome
[15:37] <krondor> I was going to try to fashion a pop filter, but I think that will come after I get at least 1 episode out the door.
[15:37] <rick_h__> heh yea
[15:37] <rick_h__> you can actually have some decent distance on that to help some
[15:37] <rick_h__> but with pop filters for $10 I just ordered one
[15:38] <krondor> oh wow didn't realize they were so cheap.  I was going to do the felt thing and try to make it but for 10 bucks yeah I'll just buy one.
[15:38] <jrwren> make your own pop filter by going under the sink and getting a spounge
[15:39] <krondor> jrwren:  are you speaking of the carbonated variety?
[15:40] <jrwren> i have no idea.
[15:41] <rick_h__> krondor: ok lied: http://goo.gl/Epetw
[15:41] <rick_h__> that's the one I got and it's $16 right now
[15:42] <rick_h__> but there are some down to $12 it looks like
[15:42] <rick_h__> and up to $50
[15:42] <rick_h__> try a metal one out for me lol
[15:42] <rick_h__> I don't hear grat things about those
[15:43] <rick_h__> but they pack/travel better
[15:46] <krondor> yeah that's true, maybe I'll make one initially and see how well it performs.  Felt or nylon is cheap enough...
[15:46] <rick_h__> yep
[16:08] <wolfger> only 148 days to go... time to switch repos to the ocelot
[16:20] <rick_h__> http://techland.time.com/2011/05/18/playstation-network-security-woes-continue-with-new-exploit/
[16:20] <rick_h__> man, how much $$ you think sony has dished out to security companies and they still can't get it right
[16:21] <snap-l> nice
[16:21] <snap-l> Seems they're in for a continued world of hurt.
[16:22] <rick_h__> well at this point it's like they've put out a calling card
[16:22] <rick_h__> "want to be cool, join the crowd of folks that have hacked up sony! We want you! to hack us up good"
[16:23] <krondor> that's not really a new hack is it?  I mean they're just saying that they took the reset password page offline because hackers compromised the security questions.
[16:23] <krondor> that's kind of a fallout from the first hack right?
[16:23] <rick_h__> "Hello, this is Sony. We suck...so can you please change your password *again*"
[16:23] <rick_h__> well it's a mix
[16:23] <rick_h__> part of opening back up is asking everyone in the system to please change your password before you can log back in
[16:23] <rick_h__> but once everyone changes their passwords, the original hackers (who have your email/birthday) can just change it to something else
[16:24] <rick_h__> since that's all that's required to change a password
[16:24] <rick_h__> the original plan was that you could only change your password from the place you first set it back up at
[16:24] <rick_h__> but guess the token/etc isn't verifying correctly
[16:24] <rick_h__> so your buddy down the street that knows your birthday could reset your password from his machine lol
[16:25] <rick_h__> at least that's how this reads
[16:25] <krondor> ah ok, so that's the second piece then.  Yeah not so good...
[16:25] <krondor> so this will all end with sony sending two factor tokens to everyone
[16:25] <rick_h__> oh awesome, I can see it now
[16:25] <rick_h__> "dammit, I'm high and just want to kill some people, where the $#@$%#@ is that token generator!?!?!?!"
[16:26] <wolfger> Can't they just do simple e-mailed password resets, like everbody else in the world?
[16:26] <rick_h__> "the new sony contrller, now with bio auth...simply point the red laser at your eye to log in"
[16:26] <rick_h__> no, they wanted to limit it to the devices
[16:26] <rick_h__> you have to do the changes from your ps2
[16:26] <rick_h__> ps3
[16:26] <wolfger> lame
[16:27] <rick_h__> well the idea is ok. Help use the device as part of auth
[16:27] <rick_h__> but if you scew up...*sigh*
[16:28] <rick_h__> at least it sounds like a security firm found/notified them
[16:28] <rick_h__> nothing in here about real exploit at this point
[16:29] <krondor> wasn't it uncovered as part of the Japanese government's audit?  They didn't allow them to turn psn back on in japan until the government was satisfied it was secured.
[16:30] <wolfger> "Mexican authorities find 513 illegal immigrants in 2 tractor-trailers". Those crazy college kids!
[16:30] <wolfger> Always trying to see how many people they can stuff in one vehicle.
[16:31] <wolfger> there were 513, so clearly one team beat the other by at least one person
[16:31] <Blazeix> so close to 512. then we'd have nice power of 2 numbers.
[16:38] <snap-l> If I were a PS3 owner heavily into networked gaming, I'd be furious right now
[16:38] <Blazeix> my coworker hasn't been able to complete Portal 2 yet because of it
[16:39] <snap-l> Wow, that sucks
[16:39] <brousch> is there a way to measure how much more productive the world has been during this outage?
[16:40] <snap-l> It's a false productivity with everyone trying to get to the network every five minutes. ;)
[16:45] <jrwren> what outage?
[16:46] <rick_h__> sony PSN
[16:55] <wolfger> somebody must die
[16:56] <rick_h__> they're running out of IT folks in japan
[16:58] <wolfger> oh, I wasn't referring to Sony. I couldn't care less about gaming consoles
[16:58] <wolfger> I meant, somebody here must die
[17:00] <wolfger> For starters, I just got an e-mail that was addressed to "Friends_of_Fred_Shadko"... a group ID that apparently everybody in Chrysler (or at least everybody in ITM) was added to, whether they'd ever heard Fred's name before or not.
[17:00] <wolfger> The e-mail contained a link to a Notes document (we've migrated away from Notes) which then contained a Word document.
[17:01] <wolfger> that's 2 or 3 different kinds of stupid
[17:01] <wolfger> possibly 4
[17:01] <_stink_> awesome
[17:02] <wolfger> and the Word doc didn't contain anything that couldn't have just been pasted in the body of the e-mail to begin with. In fact, most of it was.
[17:03] <wolfger> and I'm still wondering who Fred Shadko is, but I'm tempted to go to his retirement party anyways.
[17:10] <wolfger> perhaps I'm just grumpy
[17:10] <jcastro> http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit
[17:10] <jcastro> call it the rick heart attack kit!
[17:12] <wolfger> Hey, don't bash monospace!
[17:12] <wolfger> Monospace fonts are FTW
[17:14] <wolfger> variable width fonts are just asking for trouble. Don't believe me? Come take a look at the crap application I'm involved with... :-p
[17:25] <snap-l> jcastro: I hope that whatever this gent is working on works for him
[17:25] <snap-l> because I'll likely never use it
[17:26] <snap-l> I don't need the ADD version of GNOME-DO in my terminal.
[17:26] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[17:26] <jcastro> My idea is more conservative
[17:26] <jcastro> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/terminal-lens.png
[17:27] <snap-l> Meh
[17:28] <jcastro> meh your face
[17:28] <ColonelPanic001> not in public
[17:29] <wolfger> Now that's what I'm talking about...
[17:29] <wolfger> It's pretty, but it's still a term window
[17:29] <wolfger> and monospace
[17:30] <snap-l> Meh
[17:30] <ColonelPanic001> I don't see the advantage
[17:31] <Blazeix> well, I think it'd be pretty cool to integrate termkit as a lens.
[17:31] <snap-l> I use the terminal to get shit done
[17:31] <ColonelPanic001> the input is t the top? So it's all in top-to-bottom order? That'd be confusing to me
[17:31] <ColonelPanic001> and making it bigger just doesn't do much for me
[17:35] <snap-l> Uness it works via SSH, it's no good to me
[17:38] <wolfger> you remote access people...
[17:38] <snap-l> Yeah, we're killing the internet.
[17:39] <Blazeix> well, it'd be in addition to urxvt, of course. If it's a lens it'd be just used for local access.
[17:39] <Blazeix> I can't imagine myself sshing via a lens. If I had to do serious bash scripting or remote sessions, I'd use a standalone terminal
[17:43] <snap-l> ++
[17:44] <snap-l> http://blog.iso50.com/2746/vt100-user-guide/
[17:47] <rick_h__> Blazeix: it's the return of tilda/yaquake
[17:47] <rick_h__> just as a lense shortcut vs a drop down
[17:47] <rick_h__> all that wasn't cool then is cool now
[17:48] <Blazeix> yeah, that's why the termkit integration would differentiate it
[17:48] <rick_h__> I'm missing the termkit bit?
[17:49] <rick_h__> why would we have a node/js based terminal there? can't it just incorp gnome-terminal or something?
[17:49] <Blazeix> ah, see jcastro's link http://acko.net/blog/on-termkit
[17:50] <krondor> that link both offends and intrigues me, I don't know what to think
[17:50] <rick_h__> right, oh you just mean the ui-ish of it?
[17:50] <rick_h__> I thought you meant more the embedded js tech of it, like gnome3 js stuff
[17:51] <rick_h__> sometimes I feel like such a bad guy
[17:51] <rick_h__> boss is all excited about: http://fanstatic.org/
[17:52] <rick_h__> and all I can do is think about how it solves the wrong problem the wrong way ugh
[17:52] <Blazeix> oh, I'm not sold on the json passing yet, though it could be neat.
[17:52] <Blazeix> mainly just basic user stuff like nice progress bars, cat-ing images, etc
[17:53] <snap-l> rick_h__: What is this supposed to solve? Looks like Python CDN
[17:53] <rick_h__> kind of, he's all excited that he can (in python) say which .js and .css to include
[17:53] <rick_h__> so that pages without a date picker don't get datepicker code
[17:53] <rick_h__> but now each page hash it's own url for .js and .css files, causing you to miss caches much more often
[17:54] <rick_h__> when just using library cdn's, or moving your files to a diff subdomain (static.xxx) and all that would make a much bigger difference
[17:54] <rick_h__> but he's all happy and wants to defend it to no end
[17:54] <snap-l> Why not use this for a static CDN subdomain?
[17:54] <rick_h__> and I don't want to deal with it so want to crush it
[17:54] <snap-l> Ah, OK. ;)
[17:54] <rick_h__> so this isa wsgi layer you wrap around your app
[17:55] <rick_h__> so the files come from your app via the same wsgi serving your app is under
[17:55] <rick_h__> and you've got to do all the library setup, it's just more pita for no real gain
[17:55] <snap-l> This sounds like the problem of too few resources (one domain name)
[17:55] <rick_h__> it's a number of problems
[17:56] <snap-l> ie: If I didn't have the ability to spin up CNAMEs like crazy, then it might help
[17:56] <rick_h__> I'd much rather biuld something like the yui builder
[17:56] <rick_h__> that's the right way to fix those kinds of issues imo
[17:56] <wolfger> Did this Planet post about bug triage make anybody else say "WTF"? http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/how-triage-launchpad-bugs
[17:56] <rick_h__> and then he goes off "well what if we're on site with no net access"...ugh
[17:57] <wolfger> High importance is "Bugs we think we can fix in the next six months."  I'm sorry... thinking you can fix it in x amount of time is more about low difficulty than high importance.
[17:59] <wolfger> And low importance basically means DIY or fuggedaboutit
[17:59] <snap-l> bug priorities are too overloaded anyway
[17:59] <tjagoda> There is a bug in priorities of bugs.
[17:59] <snap-l> Should be when to fix, not prioirity
[18:00] <snap-l> Immediately, ASAP, etc
[18:01] <wolfger> There should be some mechanism that links "This bug affects me" directly to priority. So that if a bug affects a lot of people, it gains more importance than bugs that affect few
[18:02] <snap-l> With a separate security priority
[18:02] <snap-l> I could abide by that
[18:03] <snap-l> Security priority: denial of service _> Serious goatse moment
[18:04] <wolfger> not necessarily security... I'd say a "priority" based on users complaining and an "importance" which devs set one of 3 levels. Critical for security issues or total breakage, High for non-security issues that adversely affect functionality, and low for annoyances.
[18:04] <snap-l> Sorry, but you need a secuirty path
[18:04] <snap-l> and make it separate
[18:04] <snap-l> you're once again overloading priority. ;)
[18:07] <snap-l> You need the secuirty path to be clean
[18:10] <brousch> if users are worried about a security bug they can add themselves to the "this affects me" and get it moved up the queue
[18:12] <rick_h__> let me fix that for you "if users are worried about a security bug, they can apply the diff and recompile like everyone else out there!"
[18:13] <brousch> wtf, is this gentoo?
[18:14] <brousch> i just picked up some of this for a meeting tonight http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12516/27857
[18:15] <brousch> Thirsty Dog Old Leghumper Porter
[18:17] <wolfger> because everybody wants an Old Leghumper...
[18:18] <wolfger> and "I only *wish* this was Gentoo..."
[18:18] <wolfger> :-p
[18:38] <brousch> oooh, star trek cook book http://www.thinkgeek.com/books/nonfiction/e8ce/?cpg=159H&link
[18:38] <binbrain> brousch: your AA meeting lets you BYOB?
[18:38] <binbrain> anyhow, looks good ;)
[18:39] <brousch> barcamp grand rapids organizing meeting
[18:39] <binbrain> ah
[18:42] <binbrain> hmm, the NYC barcamp is at Microsoft's office, not sure I could be BYOB
[18:42] <wolfger> oh, don't let tjagoda see that link
[18:55] <tjagoda> I would never buy a cookbook with nelix on the cover
[18:55] <brousch> racist
[18:58] <tjagoda> Yes
[18:58] <tjagoda> I am racist against rainbow lion-lizards =P
[18:58] <brousch> maybe you're sexist. i bet if it was an orion slave girl on the covor you'd buy it
[18:59] <tjagoda> Orion slave girls are not rainbow lion-lizards.
[18:59] <wolfger> I bet if it was Neelix's wife on the cover you'd buy it
[19:01] <tjagoda> What part of racist are you people not getting
[19:02] <brousch> cripes. apparently i need a license on my blog posts now
[19:02] <tjagoda> do I need to exterminate the lion-lizards? =P '
[19:02]  * wolfger is being intentionally obtuse
[19:02] <brousch> i feel like a rock star
[19:02] <jjesse> brousch i saw your post got posted on facebook
[19:02] <wolfger> tjagoda is the Hitler of the Star Trek universe
[19:03] <brousch> jjesse: the tedxmuskegon site wants to republish it or use it
[19:03] <jjesse> 'interesting
[19:04] <tjagoda> If the Jack boots fir, sir. =P
[19:04]  * brousch wanders over to Consilience to see how the pros do it
[19:19] <brousch> greg-g: why did you choose the cc-by-sa over just cc-by?
[19:21] <wolfger> because he wants you IP thieves to share
[19:21] <brousch> but they still have to give credit
[19:23] <wolfger> what's credit got to do with anything?
[19:23] <brousch> it seems like it would limit reuse of the work
[19:23] <brousch> only other freetards can reuse it
[19:23] <wolfger> LOL
[19:24] <wolfger> if you don't believe in releasing things as CC, don't steal things from other people's CC works. That's very simple.
[19:25] <wolfger> sa is the "don't be a f'ing hypocrite" clause
[19:26] <wolfger> Of course, I don't really speak for greg-g... his reasoning may or may not be the same.
[19:35] <brousch> i guess i'm more mit than gpl
[19:38] <greg-g> brousch: did you have a specific use of mine in mind, or just in general?
[19:40] <brousch> general
[19:40] <rick_h__> brousch: is trying to stir up trouble
[19:40] <brousch> for once i'm not
[19:41] <brousch> i'm trying to put a license on my blog
[19:41] <greg-g> ahhhh, so...
[19:42] <greg-g> in general, I like the use of BY-SA over just BY because it makes sure that is someone reuses my work when creating something new, I can build off of their derivative. This argument usually works to help people move away from -NC/ND restrictions
[19:43] <greg-g> like, if a political campaign that yo udon't like uses your photo, you can then create a derivative of their ad under BY-SA to comment on it
[19:43] <greg-g> with BY, you don't (necessarily) have that option
[19:43] <brousch> interesting
[19:47] <greg-g> but... with that said (sorry, phone call)...
[19:47] <rick_h__> "go find your own license silly!"
[19:47] <rick_h__> oh sorry, didn't mean to complete your sentence there greg-g :P
[19:47] <greg-g> BY does have less restriction, thus is pretty quantifiably "more re-usable"
[19:47] <greg-g> haha
[19:47] <greg-g> i encourage the use of CC:BY for educational/scholarly works
[19:48] <greg-g> and BY-SA for creative works
[19:48] <greg-g> that distinction is hard to make sometimes, and the benefits of SA over just BY can start to diminish as time goes on... but, that's my general rule of thumb
[19:48] <brousch> how many times a day do you reeat that?
[19:48] <brousch> repeat
[19:49] <greg-g> hah, about 6.8, on average
[19:49] <brousch> you have infinite patience. it is amazing
[19:49] <greg-g> with my job, you have to.
[19:49] <rick_h__> it's the beard
[19:49] <greg-g> And, really, to try and effect change in a complex system, you *really* have to
[19:49] <greg-g> rick_h__: indeed
[19:49] <greg-g> :)
[19:50] <brousch> two times and i'm yelling IT'S ON MY BLOG LOOK IT UP
[19:50] <greg-g> btw, /me waves from orlando
[19:50] <brousch> oh, nice
[19:50] <brousch> hanging with Mickey?
[19:50] <wolfger> it's easier to have patience in Orlando
[19:50] <greg-g> yeah, here for a conference, giving the lunch time keynote on CC
[19:51] <greg-g> yeah, my evening is going to consist of a pool, a hot tub, a drink, and reviewing my preso
[19:51] <greg-g> not all at the same time
[19:51] <brousch> why not?
[19:52] <greg-g> even though my x200s is awesome, it is not water proof
[19:52] <wolfger> pool and hottub at the same time? Would be difficult and counterproductive
[19:53] <greg-g> oh yeah, that too
[19:53] <wolfger> often they are separate by more than the length of one person, as well
[19:53] <greg-g> "I make my own hottub"
[19:53] <wolfger> so: difficult -> impossible
[19:53] <brousch> yikes
[19:53] <wolfger> eww
[19:53] <brousch> must be all that natural food
[19:53] <wolfger> "Why is it warm and bubbly around that guy?"
[19:57] <brousch> thanks for the help, greg-g
[19:58] <greg-g> brousch: of course, if you have any specific issues/concerns you have in mind, let me know, I might have some pointers
[19:59] <brousch> tedxmuskegon wants to republish a blog post i wrote. that's when i realised i had no license
[20:03] <greg-g> ahhh
[20:54] <snap-l> https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-made-in-the-usa-mug?source=20110518_js_nd
[20:54] <snap-l> brilliant
[20:56] <brousch> ohman, i am so tempted to get that. half the people i work with are birthers
[20:57] <snap-l> Sorry to hear that.
[20:58] <brousch> yeah, that's the worst part of west mi, all the conservative nutjobs


[00:21] <nyo> oerheks, I tried even this https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-3051821.html?sid=afae2eda32875995ae33027215340ca8#3051821
[00:58] <henrique> BR?
[02:40] <gebbione> hi folks, i am trying to understand how a software got installed as i dont see it through the ubuntu package manager nor it is installed with snap but it is there.
[02:40] <gebbione> I have /usr/bin/slack -> ../lib/slack/slack
[02:41] <gebbione> but i dont remember how i got it there
[02:41] <gebbione> maybe with a deb installation
[02:41] <gebbione> but how do I uninstall it correctly given that i cannot do it with apt
[02:41] <sarnold> try dpkg -S /usr/lib/slack/  and see if that gives any results
[02:42] <gebbione> do i just remove the /usr/lib/slack folder ?
[02:42] <gebbione> it gives me -> slack-desktop: /usr/lib/slack
[02:42] <sarnold> cool, try apt purge slack-desktop
[02:43] <gebbione> it worked, thank you
[02:43] <gebbione> let see if i can install one with snap now
[03:14] <gebbione> what annoys me with snap is that it looks like stuff is hidden
[03:14] <gebbione> where are the actual installation files kept?
[03:14] <gebbione> i had a look around but cannot see a folder with its library content
[03:17] <ravage> gebbione, https://snapcraft.io/docs/data-locations#heading--system
[03:24] <gebbione> thank but i think what i was looking for is https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-format
[03:25] <gebbione> it is linked from that page
[03:28] <ravage> that was not your question but im glad you found an answer
[05:25] <alkisg> nyo_: UTC+3 here, I'm online now if you still have issues
[06:37] <dw1> is there a way to programmatically read current system notifications
[06:45] <dw1> i guess dbus-monitor "interface='org.freedesktop.Notifications'"
[06:47] <fenix_vd> hi guys
[06:59] <scooterman222> hi
[07:00] <forgotmynick> I want to get samba setup so I can do windows file versioning. With shadow_copy2 docs say I need to use a file system capable of snapshotting. The server will contain files that change infrequently so I’d like to make sure I get a ‘version’ every time someone modifies a file. With btrfs I’d need to manually/script a snapshot. Is there a way to do this automatically?
[07:07] <ravage> forgotmynick<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:51] <Guest53> https://play.google.com/store/apps/dev?id=7137538439457445826&hl=en_US&gl=US
[08:14] <dreamon> trying to start "mii-tool" from terminal. "No interface specified" .. all examples work without specify a interface. manpage I dont unterstand really what option do I have to use?
[08:55] <ajay_> hi
[08:55] <johnau> i've accidentally filled up my main drive, 0 bytes free, by running a docker image that exploded in size once it was running... what can I do to get space back so the system can function (cant remove programs because logs cant be written)
[08:56] <nikolam> it seems I can not set the default option in GRUB to boot. Whenever I set it and dot update-grub it again asks for the first, Ubuntu option. Would like to set other OS as default for now and have an option to change it.
[08:56] <nikolam> Xubuntu 22.04 LTS , updated.
[08:58] <nikolam> as I understand, I am free to edit /etc/default/grub and it's changes should be reflected after update-grub?
[08:59] <nikolam> I have found that script " awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg " lists grub options
[09:01] <nikolam> and that grub-set-default should set default option in grub to boot from
[09:04] <nikolam> I have set it to 5 as GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 in /etc/default/grub and did update-grub and will see if that will have effect
[09:05] <nikolam> maybe beside update-grub I also needed to issue grub-install /dev/sda afterward.. let's see.
[09:08] <nikolam> It's all the same. changes in /etc/default/grub for default boot option are not reflected after reboot , after update-grub and grub-install..
[09:10] <nikolam> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved and GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true also did not work when set in /etc/default/grub
[09:11] <CatalinS> Can you please help with an issue related to apt ?
[09:11] <Habbie> CatalinS, just ask your question
[09:14] <santosh> join #r/linux
[09:15] <CatalinS> There is this output: https://pastebin.com/Z3CnzYnc following these commands being run by a provision script in packer inside ADO: https://pastebin.com/vQevNAyi
[09:15] <CatalinS> any idea what could be causing that file not to exist ?
[09:15] <CatalinS> 2022-09-09T08:06:58.6917933Z [0;36m azure2: Get:48 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/multiverse amd64 c-n-f Metadata [508 B][0m
[09:15] <CatalinS> 2022-09-09T08:07:05.1807751Z [1;31m==> azure2: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_focal_multiverse_cnf_Commands-amd64 - open (2: No such file or directory)[0m
[09:17] <CatalinS> I know not how this can be fixed, other than maybe disabling multiverse.
[09:42] <CatalinS> it's ubuntu 20.04
[10:45] <cuppls> Hi there! I have some funny problems that I live with since a couple of years. The 1st one: I cannot change my brightness at startup, I only can change it after closing my laptop and re-open it
[10:46] <cuppls> I tried to goole around, but I only found solutions for the opposite problem (people who cannot change brightness after having closed their laptops)
[11:05] <nomicon> how do I set the VC Keymap in Ubuntu 22.04.1 ?
[11:05] <micka-france> Hi, I need help to solve a wake issue from hibernate in 22.04.1 fresh upgrade. Tried : Suspend -> result is ok. Hibernate -> image to swap OK, image restore OK but screen is black. Using a ssh on my phone to the ubuntu pc and firing systemctl suspend then power on, solve the black screen issue.
[11:12] <nomicon> localectl set-keymap broken on 22.04 ?
[11:15] <mncheck> I get this jammy candidate from apt-cache policy: 1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 . how does this work? I get No packages found with apt-cache show 1:1snap1-0ubuntu2 so what is happening here?
[11:21] <luna> found and reported a bug with the design of the new installer
[11:24] <stevenm_> luna, was it titled "Stop this snap madness RIGHT NOW!" ?
[11:25] <luna> stevenm_: nope
[11:25] <stevenm_> aww
[11:37] <Intelo> how to remove calculator app from xubuntu (not ubunut)? how to do it from terminal? what is the name of the gui app?
[11:41] <bluesabre> sudo apt remove mate-calculator
[11:41] <murmel> mncheck: any weird repo enabled which could have a bogus snap package?
[12:00] <jeronimo> my asus laptop drivers need a recent kernel (>=5.17)
[12:00] <jeronimo> what would you recommend?
[12:04] <mncheck> murmel, maybe right, I removed all sources.list.d and now apt-cache show shows pool/main/f/firefox/firefox_1snap1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[12:05] <murmel> mncheck: oh you meant firefox. thought you were talking about snapd itself. yeah those are the debs, which install the snap version of ff
[12:05] <Intelo> bluesabre thanks
[12:06] <jeronimo>  install a mainline kernel? https://linuxhint.com/install-upgrade-latest-kernel-ubuntu-22-04/
[12:06] <mncheck> murmel, I fail to set enterprise TLS CA for the snap and trying to use debian testing firefox-esr
[12:06] <murmel> mncheck: use rather the ppa
[12:06] <murmel> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:07] <murmel> mncheck: ^
[12:07] <murmel> mncheck: they have firefox and firefox-esr
[12:08] <mncheck> murmel, thanks
[12:09] <murmel> mncheck: I really wonder why you would choose debian testing version xD. it would have made more sense to probably use the ff from linuxmint, which at least is the same ubuntu base
[12:09] <mncheck> murmel, any way to make firefox-esr provide a command "firefox"?
[12:10] <murmel> mncheck: alias?
[12:10] <mncheck> murmel, that's why I asked here, it was out of desperation + hope to have more recent firefox than stable
[12:10] <mncheck> murmel, I mean update-alternatives
[12:11] <mncheck> murmel, I think I could probably add an alias to /etc/profile.d/something but that won't work with non-shell execs
[12:12] <murmel> mncheck: sudo update-alternatives --install path/to/symlink command_name path/to/command_binary priority
[12:13] <i_> xnj 'nj
[12:13] <mncheck> murmel, thanks
[13:01] <Teckla> Hey all, just a quick note in case anyone else has been having this problem, under Hyper-V, when I would restart Ubuntu, the screen would go black, and stay black (even though the VM was running)
[13:01] <Teckla> The fix is to switch from Wayland to X
[13:02] <zaggynl> huh, haven't had that usecase before, odd that switching to X solves it
[13:02] <Teckla> Yeah, not sure what's going wrong there, but easy enough fix  :)
[13:10] <tomreyn> you may want a kernel with CONFIG_DRM_HYPERV=y for wayland
[13:15] <JanC> that's probably always a good idea on Hyper-V?
[13:18] <jeronimo> I'm having trouble getting multi channel audio to work on linux. I have the xonar u1. It's recognized but I don't get audio when I switch to optical.
[13:27] <artemis> i'd try to check in pavucontrol (pulseaudio) and aumix (terminal volume control), see if something is on mute or volume @ 0, ... just to be sure you checked. I don't know about optical thingy tho...could be driver related or whatnot.
[13:28] <artemis> ^jeronimo
[13:30] <jeronimo> artemis: I read that but ubuntu recently switched to pipewire. I assumed that those tools don't work on the new backend
[13:31] <oerheks> jeronimo, pipewire? not yet..
[13:31] <oerheks> LTS usually does not introduce new services.
[13:32] <oerheks> next 22.10 will
[13:32] <jeronimo> oerheks: ah I thought kubuntu 22.04 is using pipewire
[13:33] <jeronimo> oerheks: thanks, I will try!
[13:34] <oerheks> there is an extended manual howto install https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/pipewire-replace-pulseaudio-ubuntu-2204/
[13:35] <ogra> flavours might actually have switched in 22.04 ...
[13:36] <ogra> (ubuntu-desktop has not ... but who knows if kubuntu did 🙂 )
[13:36] <oerheks> not Kubuntu, AFAIK
[13:37] <jeronimo> maybe I installed it myself
[13:37] <jeronimo> so I guess it's my fault it's not working then
[13:37] <jeronimo> I just checked systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager
[13:38] <ogra> pipewire is installed by default but only for RDP and such, not for audio
[13:38] <jeronimo> ah k
[13:39] <ogra> so yopu have pipewire, pipewire-bin and pipewire-media-session ... but not pipewire-pulse and pipewire-audio-client-libraries installed by default
[13:40] <jeronimo> I see. what are the chances pipewire would work better?
[13:40] <ogra> for that use-case ? not great i think ...
[13:43] <ogra> jeronimo, did you check with pavucontrol yet ?
[13:43] <mncheck> murmel, do you have something for chromium? it doesn't seem to load ~/.pki/nssdb . like the ppa for firefox?
[13:45] <jeronimo> ogra: yes I did. I also just discovered a TU106 device
[13:45] <jeronimo> apparently it can do 5.1 over hdmi
[13:47] <ogra> mncheck, that path wopnt work, the snap sotres stuff under ~/snap/chromium/current ... (unlike the firefox snap which has full support for that stuff, i dotn think chromium has that bit added)
[13:48] <ogra> mncheck, for firefox there are guides summarized under https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-customize-the-firefox-snap-with-enterprise-policies/23074
[13:54] <jeronimo> @ogra: but then I need to switch to the nvidia driver which overheats the system
[13:55] <ogra> jeronimo, huh ? to use your usb card ?
[13:55] <ogra> that does not need the nvidia driver
[13:56] <jeronimo> no I mean the TU106 device can do 5.1 surround over hdmi
[13:56] <ogra> ah, right ... but you wanted to get the xonar to work
[13:56] <jeronimo> when I use my dedicated gtx 2060 graphics card
[13:56] <ogra> yeah
[13:56] <jeronimo> ogra: yeah sorry got sidetracked
[13:58]  * jeronimo is installing aumix
[13:58] <ogra> well, do you see your xonar in "cat /proc/asound/cards" ?
[13:59] <jeronimo> yes
[14:00] <ogra> and in pavucontrol in the "Configuration" tab ?
[14:00] <jeronimo> C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Advanced Audio Device at usb-0000:04:00.4-1.1, ful
[14:00] <jeronimo> yes
[14:00] <mncheck> ogra, thanks, I was planning to do away with snaps and installed https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa now I am trying to do something for chromium and if I knew a ppa for chromium I would do the same
[14:01] <mncheck> ogra, I mean currently I am configuring chromium, not firefox anymore
[14:01] <ogra> mncheck, well, the PPA is perhaps fine for home use, but note that it is a test-build PPA, there is no guarantee it will stay around
[14:01] <ogra> i'd not use it for any business
[14:02] <mncheck> ogra, first I tried to use debian testing and murmel recommended this ppa
[14:03] <ogra> well ... the only officially supported package is the snap ... all else is up to you ...
[14:03] <mncheck> ogra, with debian testing I can install firefox-esr/testing but I'm not sure how to apt_preferences it in a way that is future-proof for broken dependency resolution
[14:03] <mncheck> I mean when updates appear
[14:04] <ogra> you should indeed never mix debian and ubuntu packages .... that will definitely end in tears
[14:04] <ogra> (library versions differ ... all of a sudden ubuntu libs get replaced by debian libs due to some dependencies etc etc)
[14:04] <jeronimo> brb
[14:05] <mncheck> ogra, I thought proper apt_preferences could fix that
[14:05] <mncheck> (not that I know the right preferences)
[14:07] <ogra> mncheck, that wont help, simply dont mix distros ...
[14:08] <ogra> since we import from debian, the package names are all the same but the binaries are built completely different
[14:08] <ogra> (and are at different versions)
[14:38] <Milencho> what could be the reason with pci-e wifi ax210 to have lower speed for download compare to upload
[14:39] <Milencho> with windows it's fine (almost max)
[14:39] <Milencho> ubuntu 22.04.1 lts
[14:39] <Milencho> kernel is 5.15
[14:48] <jeronimo> did anyone get multi channel audio to work with nvidia TU106(HDMI), usb xonar U1(optical cabel), and the renoir amd(hdmi)
[14:48] <jeronimo> ot*
[14:49] <jeronimo> or*
[14:51] <ogra> the usb oe shoudl just work if you pick the digital-out in pavucontrol
[14:51] <ogra> s/oe/one/
[14:55] <jeronimo> ogra: yeah the renoid hdmi device does work only not with the 5.1 surround sound profile
[14:55] <jeronimo> renoir*
[15:10] <tomreyn> Milencho: the power saving configuration; it's firmware.
[15:10] <tomreyn> i mean the firmware that's loaded. and the driver would be potential cause #3.
[15:19] <jeronimo> update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-5.19.5-051905-generic with 1
[15:20] <jeronimo> I switched to the latest mainline kernel
[15:20] <jeronimo> and then switched to nvidia drivers and got this error
[15:21] <jeronimo> I need the newest kernel for my hardware to work properly
[15:21] <jeronimo> do I need to switch to another distro with a newer kernel?
[15:23] <oerheks> 5.19 is unsupported on 22.04, you could try 22.10 beta ..
[15:24] <oerheks> !next
[15:26] <jeronimo> oerheks: ok thanks
[15:27] <ogra> jeronimo, note that the mainline kernels are solely for testing and bug verification, they are lacking a lot of (security) patches, do not use the ubuntu config and do never get updated if you install them ... you will hit problems with using such a kernel
[15:29]  * ogra points to https😕/wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds ... "These kernels are not supported and are not appropriate for production use. " ...
[15:29] <ogra> hmpf ... silly emoji plugin
[15:35] <mncheck> jammy, how do I extend the default groups for new users?
[15:35] <jeronimo> ogra: thx
[15:35] <jeronimo> for the warning
[15:38] <rfm> mncheck, there's /etc/adduser.confm EXTRA_GROUPS, at least for users added with adduser.  (I don't know if any of the GUI user dialogs use adduser, though.)
[15:39] <leftyfb> rfm: I was just about to post that. My google-fu wasn't as quick this morning :)
[15:39] <anddam> howdy, I disabled gdm service using "sudo systemctl disable gdm"
[15:40] <anddam> now I am not able to enable it and having gdm start at system boot by default
[15:40] <stevenm_> am I right in thinking that... https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-desktop-installer ... isn't a fork/continuation of ... https://launchpad.net/ubiquity
[15:40] <anddam> currently "systemctl | grep -i gdm" has no output
[15:40] <leftyfb> anddam: what issue do you get when you try to enable it again?
[15:41] <stevenm_> i.e. "ubuntu-desktop-installer" (what a vague name) doesn't borrow anything from the debian-installer / parman (unlike Ubiquity which does)
[15:41] <stevenm_> also is Canonical abandoning launchpad for github now?
[15:42] <anddam> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/e5wr
[15:42] <stevenm_> ah crap I'm not in #ubuntu-devel - my bad!
[15:42] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:42] <luna__> hey
[15:42] <leftyfb> anddam: what version of ubuntu? Why did you disable gdm to begin with?
[15:42] <anddam> 22.04
[15:43] <anddam> because it is running in qemu and at times I had a blank screen in the viewer, but the system was still running
[15:43] <leftyfb> anddam: apt-cache policy gdm3
[15:43] <anddam> I think this was related to some power saving mode, so booting the system and letting it stay at the gdm prompt would trigger this
[15:43] <johnfg> I needed/wanted to install dropbox on 22.04 for some files too large for thunderbird.  https://itslinuxfoss.com/install-dropbox-ubuntu-22-04/ shows it available, but I don't see it through the gui, nor does apt search dropbox find it.
[15:43] <anddam> anyway I resolved to disable gdm and use startx
[15:43] <mncheck> rfm, I decomment EXTRA_GROUPS would it keep ubuntu default extra groups... I don't want to loose ubuntu extra groups but extend them
[15:44] <johnfg> Has something changed so that I need to install it manually?
[15:44] <anddam> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/8v2e
[15:44] <mncheck> if ubuntu update changes the default groups I want to go with the change, but have my own local extra groups appended...
[15:44] <ioria> anddam,  sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target  and reboot
[15:45] <leftyfb> mncheck: it will keep the defaults
[15:45] <anddam> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/default.target → /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target.
[15:45] <rfm> mncheck, the way I read the adduser.conf man page, you have to set EXTRA_GROUPS to the full list (the man page has the default list)
[15:45] <ioria> and reboot
[15:45] <mncheck> the same goes for dconf favirote-apps. I created a /etc/dconf/db/something.d/00-favorite-apps but now the ubuntu default apps are lost. I don't know how can I just extend the default apps.
[15:45] <anddam> ioria: no changes
[15:46] <anddam> ioria: I mean after rebooting
[15:46] <anddam> i.e. gdm did not start, trying to enable it returns the same error message
[15:46] <leftyfb> rfm: that's not true. The EXTRA_GROUPS is only the list of additional groups you want to add. You do not need to add the full list of defaults in there
[15:46] <anddam> not error, just message
[15:46] <ioria> anddam, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
[15:46] <mncheck> leftyfb, man adduser says there is also /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local and I would like adduser to merge whatever the distro says and my EXTRA_GROUPS perhaps from adduser.local
[15:47] <leftyfb> mncheck: /usr/local/sbin is empty by default in ubuntu
[15:48] <anddam> question: if I enable gdm by hand I see Xwayland being run, is this what I'd get with a default Ubuntu 22 install?
[15:48] <anddam> ioria: gdm.service is not active, cannot reload.
[15:48] <anddam> I started the service and tried again
[15:48] <ioria> and ?
[15:48] <anddam> ioria: go no output at all
[15:49] <anddam> https://termbin.com/1wnt
[15:49] <mncheck> leftyfb, yes but https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/adduser.8.html#files it says adduser.local I don't understand it suggesting an executable but what should it do
[15:49] <mncheck> maybe I create a script what is it doing
[15:49] <leftyfb> mncheck: just modify /etc/adduser.conf as you need
[15:49] <mncheck> will it be called?
[15:49] <mncheck> leftyfb, ok
[15:49] <ioria> anddam, please, again   sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target
[15:50] <anddam> and reboot, I guess
[15:50] <anddam> that exited with 0
[15:50] <ioria> yep
[15:50] <anddam> just a moment, need to complete running a program
[15:50] <mncheck> anyone about extending dconf favorite-apps defaults?
[15:50] <ioria> ok
[15:51] <anddam> back the Xwayland question, my issue was trying a Qt program on wayland, it suddenly worked after I started manually the graphical session, then I figured that start is actually starting… X
[15:51] <anddam> so I wanted to go back to gdm to use "Ubuntu default" that I gather is wayland nowadays, but now the Qt app works and I see the server is Xwayland
[15:52] <anddam> is this always the case in Ubuntu 22 or a default installation would use just Wayland without the X compatibility layer?
[15:57] <tomreyn> anddam: ubuntu 22.04 (but not kubuntu 22.04) defaults to wayland unless nvidia proprietary drivers are used.
[15:58] <tomreyn> (it possibly also falls back to X for nouveau, not sure)
[15:59] <mncheck> leftyfb, thanks for the help. I added EXTRA_GROUPS in /etc/adduser.conf and logged in with a new user. pam_mkhomedir.so is enabled and I logged in with an sssd-ad user. if in terminal I type groups I cannot see the extra groups I added. is this not using adduser? I created a usre with sudo adduser something. if I su -l something and then type groups I cannot see the EXTRA_GROUPS. I only had #ADD_EXTRA_GROUPS=1.  I uncommented and the adduser... now
[15:59] <mncheck> adds the group but it didn't add what was listed as defaults in the comment of ubuntu distribution. but the sssd-ad user still didn't get the groups. I think the setting wasn't extended but overwritten and that this pam stack wouldn't use adduser.
[16:02] <oerheks> adduser vs useradd ..
[16:03] <mncheck> hm
[16:05] <mncheck> also, I found /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*.overrides files installed which set the favorite-apps according to glib-compile-schemas, however I don't want to set them but just extend them, how can I do that?
[16:35] <backthen> The Ubuntu software store app doesn't open for me. I just see the OS's top bar attempting to open it for a few seconds. Anything to diagnose?
[16:36] <mncheck> according to group.conf in libpam-modules package I could give users groups with pam_group in the pam stack...
[16:47] <oerheks> backthen, did you run updates lately?
[16:51] <backthen> oerheks: yes I just attempted the commands given by top answer here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231932/ubuntu-software-doesnt-open-in-ubuntu-20-04
[16:52] <oerheks> sudo killall snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store
[16:52] <oerheks> but make sure you are updated
[16:56] <backthen> says 'snap-store: no process found'
[16:56] <backthen> I thought the Ubuntu default store is different from Snap store
[16:57] <oerheks> it is, on 22.04 ..
[16:59] <backthen> Oh I'm on <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:02] <realivanjx> is there a way to make samba and nautilus faster? i only get like 40 MBps with nautilus. with windows 10 vm (virtualbox nat) on same machine i can get 80-90 MBps
[17:09] <backthen> Given that it's company machine, could IT be preventing access to the Ubuntu store? Don't know how friendly is Linux for installing big brother IT apps
[17:10] <scooterman222> how does linux communicate from the kernel to the actual physical hard disk
[17:17] <oerheks> scooterman222, interesting question ..
[17:18] <oerheks> examine the kernel source?
[17:18] <scooterman222> even if it's a little odd, or full of technical jargon i'd never understand- i'd be interested in reading about the processes involved with that, if just for the poetry.
[17:19] <oerheks> How would that be ubuntu support related?
[17:19] <oerheks> join #ubuntu-offtopic for that poetry
[17:21] <oerheks> backthen, so if you kill gnome-software, does it solve?
[17:36] <backthen> oerheks: hmm interestingly an update notification popped up asking to install/upgrade Snapstore. Perhaps the earlier commands worked. This had never happened before
[17:36] <oerheks> ah good
[17:36] <oerheks> that is why i asked you to update, one reason software center is borking
[17:41] <johnfg> ?
[17:46] <nyo_> alkisg, are you there?
[17:47] <nyo_> is there someone that can help me to fix a modeline on my xorg.conf?
[17:48] <oerheks> nyo_, if you have not tested it without KVM, i am out.
[17:49] <nyo_> ok anyway I have the solution with xrand
[17:49] <nyo_> it just doesn't take the modeline from xorg
[17:49] <oerheks> .. and certainly on Kubuntu
[17:50] <nyo_> yes kubuntu
[17:50] <nyo_> should I switch to #kubuntu?
[17:50] <nyo_> here anyway the pastebin of my xorg https://pastebin.com/SiABCjJu
[17:52] <croberts> is kubuntu as stable as gnome?
[17:52] <nyo_> I prefer the menus of kde
[17:53] <nyo_> I cannot stand activities button
[17:53] <oerheks> croberts, pretty much yes
[17:53] <nyo_> to switch windows
[17:53] <croberts> cool ty
[17:54] <nyo_> btw I will see to find a better kvm
[17:54] <nyo_> oerheks,
[17:57] <Milencho> tomreyn, what can i do about the drivers
[17:57] <Milencho> i think it's a bit shitty - latest drivers (kernel 5.15)
[17:57] <Milencho> and download speed is ....
[17:57] <nyo_> fount a good kvm here  :-) https://www.aten.com/it/it/products/kvm/switch-kvm-per-rack/cs1308/
[17:58] <Milencho> any suggestions - intel PCI-E AX210 - but download speed is horrible
[17:58] <Milencho> 5.530358] iwlwifi 0000:29:00.0: loaded firmware version 66.f1c864e0.0 ty-a0-gf-a0-66.ucode op_mode iwlmvm
[18:46] <jhutchins> Milencho: Network drivers generally work or don't work, there aren't "hot rod" drivers that are faster than the standard ones.
[18:48] <jhutchins> Milencho: You could check the messages from network manager to see what it's negotiating; check dmesg or journalctl to see what the system thinks is happening.
[18:48] <rob0> When I had ADSL some years back, what I would do to speed things up: I would get out and push!
[18:48] <jhutchins> WiFi performance is almost always controlled by signal strength and quality.
[18:52] <jhutchins> Milencho: Download speeds can be affected by storage speed.  What kind of free RAM do you have?  What kind of "disk" storage?
[19:08] <Milencho> justache, i have 32 gb ram
[19:08] <Milencho> avaiable 27
[19:09] <Milencho> jhutchins, strange that with usb dongle i can reach the normal speed
[19:09] <Milencho> on the phone is ok , also on windows laptop (but different pci)
[19:10] <jhutchins> Milencho: Which kernel are you on?
[19:11] <Milencho> 5.15
[19:12] <Milencho> strange is that upload is double to download on every speed test
[19:12] <Milencho> upload is almost on max speed
[19:23] <jhutchins> Milencho: Theoretical upload speeds are the same as download, usually limited by your carrier.
[19:24] <Milencho> jhutchins, agree
[19:24] <Milencho> but now sure what could be the reason
[19:25] <Milencho> i will change the slot (pretty sure that will not help) but ...
[19:30] <Milencho> jhutchins, just checked on 2.4 ghz i have better speed :_D
[20:18] <arraybolt3[m]> !ping
[20:19] <arraybolt3> arraybolt3[m]: test
[20:27] <bray90820> Is there a way to check in ther terminal if an app has an update without installing it
[20:27] <bray90820> Spesifically the snap store
[20:28] <jhutchins> bray90820:
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: Not sure which option goes with with which tool (apt aptitude apt-get) but there's a dru-run or noop option on all of them.
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: I know under most conditions the system will prompt you y/n to install.
[20:29] <bray90820> Yeah I am scripting it thio
[20:29] <jhutchins> bray90820: Also, "!info <pkg>" should give the current version.
[20:29] <oerheks> apt list --upgradable
[20:30] <bray90820> Kinda wanted to do it headless
[20:30] <oerheks> so easy to find...
[20:30] <jhutchins> There's also --download-only
[20:31] <bray90820> oerheks: Thanks
[20:32] <oerheks> that is what you see if you run apt update https://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/update-package-cache-ubuntu-800x461.png
[20:33] <bray90820> oerheks: Oh that might not work for the snap store
[20:33] <oerheks> snap refesh something?
[20:35] <toddc> snap refresh will update all snaps that are not running
[20:35] <bray90820> oerheks: I am talking about the snap store itself not the snap apps
[20:36] <toddc> I.E. snao store runs all the time unless you kill it
[20:36] <oerheks> snap store is a snap itself, no?
[20:37] <bray90820> Yes
[20:37] <toddc> yes but it is always running
[20:37] <oerheks> and if you want to include ALL apps in your script, you need to make 2 lines
[20:37] <bray90820> No
[20:37] <oerheks> sudo killall snap-store && sudo snap refresh snap-store
[20:38] <oerheks> no?
[20:38] <bray90820> oerheks: Correct but before I do that I want to see if an update is needed
[20:38] <bray90820> I don't wanna kill it if I don't need to
[20:39] <oerheks> for snap, no clue
[20:39] <oerheks> what have you found sofar?
[20:39] <bray90820> I'm looking and not really finding anything sadly
[20:43] <oerheks> snaps will update automaticly anyway
[20:43] <oerheks> :-D
[20:43] <oerheks> snaps are good
[20:44] <oerheks> polo___, fix your connection
[20:46] <krytarik> bray90820: Apparently there is "snap refresh --list" - would that work?
[20:47] <bray90820> krytarik: No
[20:47] <krytarik> Why not specifically?
[20:47] <bray90820> I'm looking to update the snap store not individual snap apps
[20:48] <oerheks> sudo snap refresh snap-store
[20:48] <bray90820> I wanna check if there is an update before updateing it
[20:48] <oerheks> nope.
[20:49] <bray90820> Whah do you mean by nope
[20:49] <leftyfb> bray90820: snap info snap-store
[20:49] <leftyfb> that will tell you the available versions
[20:50] <leftyfb> bray90820: mind you, unless you have manually configured snap to put off updates for up to 90 days, snaps will update on their own without your intervention
[20:50] <bray90820> leftyfb: Ooohhh Thanks
[20:51] <bray90820> That is exactly what I wanted Thanks
[20:52] <oerheks> good spot ... why did i not find that
[20:53] <bray90820> Hey I didn't find it ether
[21:08] <anddam> tomreyn: sorry for the late reply, would a "default" wayland session show /usr/bin/Xwayland process? I see a gdm-wayland-session process as well
[21:09] <anddam> ah I see the bottom-right gdm setting popup menu showing "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu on Xorg"
[21:12] <murmel> anddam: Xwayland is there to run legacy stuff. ubuntu on xorg runs the actual x server
[21:23] <rachdooo> hi
[21:23] <luna__>  hi
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> is this the correct channel for a quick support question?
[21:30] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Yep.
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> ok thanks.
[21:30] <Scotty_Trees> I've uninstalled Libreoffice on 22.04 so I can install LibreOffice Fresh via their official ppa
[21:31] <Scotty_Trees> after I go to remove libreoffice, no issue there, but when I run autoremove, it wants to remove 74 packages
[21:31] <Scotty_Trees> my question is, is it okay to autoremove this 74 packages: https://i.ibb.co/5FbxkcT/Screenshot-from-2022-09-09-17-29-04.png
[21:32] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Oh don't do that.
[21:32] <Scotty_Trees> that's why I came here to ask :)
[21:32] <arraybolt3> A lot of that stuff just looks like LibreOffice stuff, but you're about to lose some fonts, too.
[21:32] <arraybolt3> Install LibreOffice Fresh first, then try autoremove and show us the list then.
[21:32] <Scotty_Trees> i have the ubuntu restricted extras package as well, fyi
[21:33] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, yeah that was my first thinking, I just wanted to make sure.
[21:33] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Good thinking. If it wasn't for the fonts, I would risk it, but to be clear, it would be a risk. But with the fonts involved too, no. Don't do that. People use fonts. :)
[21:33] <Scotty_Trees> i did remove libreoffice and did run apt clean, so is a reboot needed or just go ahead and install the ppa of LibreOffice Fresh?
[21:37] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Eh, you can reboot just in case.
[21:37] <Scotty_Trees> yeah no worries, will do, thanks. brb
[21:58] <phonixgeist> hey guys... question.. in Ubuntu 22.04 is there a way to have two independent docks?
[21:59] <murmel> not that I know of
[22:00] <phonixgeist> murmel, jmm... or something similar to a dock?
[22:01] <phonixgeist> I want to have a separate "bar/dock" for some special apps...
[22:02] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, installed the ppa and then after a update and a reboot installed apt install libreoffice
[22:02] <Scotty_Trees> thought i was going to get libreoffice 7.4, but I'm still on 7.3, welp!
[22:02] <murmel> phonixgeist: I am not sure if you can run ubuntu dock and dock to dash (or any other dock) at the same time
[22:02] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Nice, and... crummy.
[22:02] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: isn't it called libreoffice-fresh?
[22:02] <oerheks> Scotty_Trees, LO 7.4 has not even arrived in snapstore yet
[22:03] <Scotty_Trees> omg did I install the wrong package, that is something I would do
[22:03] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: but when I look at the ppa, there is no 7.4
[22:04] <cbreak> phonixgeist: it's possible if you install kde :/
[22:04] <cbreak> but you might not want that
[22:04] <phonixgeist> cbreak, why I wouldnt?
[22:04] <Scotty_Trees> hmm, the flatpak is already at 7.4, not sure why the ppa version wouldn't be as well
[22:05] <cbreak> because it'd replace your whole desktop environment
[22:05] <cbreak> well, not really replace, but you have to chose between kde plasma and the other ones you have installed at login time
[22:05] <murmel> Scotty_Trees: maybe they have packaging issues. who knows
[22:05] <phonixgeist> cbreak, not good indeed..
[22:05] <arraybolt3> Installing multiple DEs *can* go horribly wrong.
[22:05]  * cbreak likes KDE
[22:06] <arraybolt3> Scotty_Trees: Maybe try this? https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/?type=deb-x86_64&version=7.4.0&lang=en-US
[22:06] <arraybolt3> If it looks like it's going to shred your system somehow, don't let it install, just FYI. Sometimes packages can be messed up and cause problems like that.
[22:07] <Scotty_Trees> arraybolt3, yah i prob should've done it that way first, but always preferred the terminal approach first
[22:07] <oerheks> ' candidate' .. at your own risk https://snapcraft.io/libreoffice
[22:09] <phonixgeist> I found floating dock... is good but it's not an independent dock.. is basically a copy of the dock...
[22:09] <Scotty_Trees> I used libreoffice-fresh on EndeavourOS for over a year, personally never had any issues
[22:18] <jhutchins> breoffice
[22:19] <jhutchins> !info libreoffice
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !fnfo sdl
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl2
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl2-dev
[22:23] <DynamiteDan> hmm
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> !info sdl-dev
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> not lucky
[22:24] <oerheks> use the bot in PM, please
[22:24] <DynamiteDan> ah okay. Sorry
[22:24] <oerheks> try !find
[22:24] <sarnold> or try apt-cache search
[22:24] <oerheks> that would do too
[22:25] <oerheks> run apt update and go wild
[22:25] <jhutchins> I wonder what magical wonders the newer version has brought to us mere mortals.
[22:25] <UNIX> https://github.com/kritiksoman/GIMP-ML trying to get this installed and I get problems when I try to get sudo apt install python python-cairo python-gobject-2
[22:25] <oerheks> 7.4 is a major point, they wrote
[22:26] <oerheks> not sure exactly why, but it was released aug 18?
[22:27] <oerheks> UNIX that might need python2, which is obsolete
[22:27] <sarnold> UNIX: try this instead? https://github.com/kritiksoman/GIMP-ML/tree/GIMP3-ML
[22:27] <oerheks> one could install it, but why?
[22:27] <oerheks> oh, [June 2] GIMP3-ML branch development started.
[22:27] <UNIX> Ok
[22:39] <UNIX> I did that and have no idea if it is installed. gimp doesn't have the new option in layers menu


[15:04] <Habitual> woof
[18:32] <Unit193> Good afternoon Ubuntu-Ohio!
[18:41] <Cheri703> hey
[19:03]  * Habitual waves
[19:17] <thafreak> Hey, look who's here
[19:20]  * Cheri703 is here
[19:22] <thafreak> Cheri703: always making it about yourself... ;-)
[19:22] <Cheri703> of course
[19:32] <Habitual> enough of the snow already.
[19:35] <thafreak> Seriously...
[19:36]  * Cheri703 likes it
[19:36] <thafreak> I was thinking last night, most people form Ohio are actually ok with living in ohio...until the snow starts...then EVERYONE says things like "I want to move where it's warmer"
[19:36] <thafreak> but no one moves
[19:36] <Habitual> I don't mind the snow, but I HATE wind and snow.
[19:36] <thafreak> well, some high school/college graduates do...
[19:37]  * Habitual left a perfectly good Southern California beach for this environment.
[19:37] <thafreak> I don't mind the snow, but I HATE cold snow
[19:37] <thafreak> that's insane
[19:38] <Habitual> I did -114 (huge Windchill) once in Minnesota back in '91
[19:39] <thafreak> also insane
[19:40] <thafreak> I do alot of calling in sick when I don't feel like driving in the snow
[19:47] <Habitual> I work from /home so there's no one to call in to.
[23:33] <canthus13> Haha.
[23:33]  * canthus13 has a persistent install of Knoppix booting from his MP3 player.


[01:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:54] <_WEZ_> Evening!
[11:45] <arg_> hello.
[11:47] <arg_> well i decided to ditch out ubuntu 4 linux mint /me gives a coca cola @ marcoginpeto.
[11:47] <arg_> too bad he's not there lol.
[11:47] <arg_> bbl.
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> heya
[16:37] <sarnold> marcoagpinto: < arg_> well i decided to ditch out ubuntu 4 linux mint /me gives a coca cola @ marcoginpeto.  < arg_> too bad he's not there lol.  < arg_> bbl.
[16:39] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh
[16:39] <marcoagpinto> :(
[16:39] <marcoagpinto> I have been mostly on PTnet, and coding
[16:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[16:40] <marcoagpinto> usually, at 4 or 5am I am already working on LanguageTool, dictionary, etc.
[21:33] <arg_> marcoagpinto: what is the best dishes in portugal?
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> arg_: I can't remember of any
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> I mostly eat meat
[21:35] <marcoagpinto> I don't like fish
[21:37] <arg_> fried beef and merguez with french fries, and the best portuguez sauce....that is...
[21:37] <arg_> the coke cola lol ;]
[21:37] <marcoagpinto> I have to leave to bed
[21:37] <arg_> fish is good.
[21:37] <arg_> happy dreamz.
[21:37] <marcoagpinto> medicines make me feel stoned
[21:38] <marcoagpinto> I can hardly keep my eyes open
[21:38] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[22:23] <enigma9o7[m]> The only time I've ever tried Portugese food was in Macau.
[22:23] <enigma9o7[m]> I remember having some famous chicken dish.
[22:23] <enigma9o7[m]> The first time I ever entered a Cahtolic church was in Macau too, as a toursit destination.
[22:24] <enigma9o7[m]> And, the first time a whore ever called and asked me if I wanted her service was in Macau too.
[22:24] <enigma9o7[m]> Whta a neat place.