[05:00] <Kilos> morning all
[05:08] <Kilos> sjoe pieter2627  jy is vroeg
[05:12] <pieter2627> haha, hi Kilos. eks altyd vroeg
[05:12] <Kilos> mooi
[05:24] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[05:26] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[05:26] <Kilos> lekker to have you back
[05:30] <barrydk> More almal
[05:30] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[05:54]  * jacques_ waves
[05:54]  * Kilos waves back
[05:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:55] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[05:55] <Kilos> te veel goeters aan die gang
[05:56] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[06:07] <magespawn> good morning
[06:07]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[06:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:21] <Kilos> hiho SilverCode
[06:22] <Kilos> oh that was for silver the horse
[06:22] <SilverCode> neigh
[06:22] <Kilos> hehe
[06:26] <SilverCode> anyone know how to show all emails not matching a domain in mutt?
[06:26] <SilverCode> ie. show me all mails not maching<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:34] <Jacques_Stry> O.O
[06:35] <Kilos> maybe the pro will know how to do that
[06:35] <Jacques_Stry> First time hearing of the email client
[06:36] <Jacques_Stry> Terminal email client O.O I'm not that comfortable in terminal yet
[06:36] <SilverCode> trying to find a specific email when you don't know when it was sent, who sent it, or what the title/contents of it is damn hard
[06:40] <Kilos> sjoe so what are you going to look for if you dont know any of that
[06:40] <Kilos> gonna take long but you can go search the mails on the server
[06:41] <SilverCode> well my current strategy is eliminate all the prople I work with .. I know it wasn't from them. Then keep adding people to the elimination list until I see a mail that matches
[06:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:41] <Kilos> good luck
[06:51] <SilverCode> if anyone is interested, you can use !(~f silvercode.com) in mutt to filter out all messages with that domain in the from field
[06:52] <SilverCode> and after doing that it looks like the mail isn't in my old mutt mailbox, so now I need to figure out how to do the same in the terrible Outlook Web App
[06:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:56] <Kilos> magespawn
[06:57] <Kilos> can you point Jacques_Stry  to the mails about that book thin WWK is doing please
[06:57] <Kilos> dont you guys read the mails in the list
[06:58] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[06:58] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  only joined the list yesterday and he does the it at a school so i thought it might be good to have him onboard
[06:59] <Kilos> maybe its my mail addy that shocked them all
[07:10] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:11] <superfly> morning Kilos, Jacques_Stry, SilverCode, magespawn
[07:13] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[07:20] <magespawn> hi Kilos superfly Jacques_Stry
[07:20] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: you should be able to look uo the old mail on the list site i think
[07:21] <Jacques_Stry> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-April/thread.html ?
[07:22] <Kilos> check march Jacques_Stry
[07:24] <Jacques_Stry> Got it
[07:25] <Kilos> i think header thing was books-- something
[07:25] <Kilos> or topic
[07:25] <Jacques_Stry> Documentation User Group
[07:25] <Kilos> maybe that ya
[07:34] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: you should be able to look uo the old mail on the list site i think
[07:34] <magespawn> hi Kilos superfly Jacques_Stry
[07:34] <Jacques_Stry> Hi magespawn
[07:34] <Jacques_Stry> Running through the mails now
[07:34] <magespawn> cool beans
[08:05] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[08:06]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[08:06] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:06] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  dont mail the list when i am busy typing out a new one
[08:06]  * psyatw waves back at Jacques_Stry
[08:06] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[08:06] <Kilos> i get distracted and forget what i wanted to say
[08:06] <Kilos> haha just joking
[08:07] <Jacques_Stry> i know ;)
[08:34]  * Kilos waves to plustwo  inetpro
[08:34] <Kilos> hi SubOracle  you well?
[08:34] <Kilos> en nuvolari  se tog iets man
[08:35] <Kilos> al is dit net besig
[08:36] <SubOracle> Hi Kilos yes thanks and yourself also hello everyone else
[08:38] <superfly> \o/ SubOracle
[08:39] <Kilos> im good ty
[08:43]  * Jacques_Stry waves at SubOracle
[09:16] <inetpro> Kilos: \o/
[09:16] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[09:16] <Kilos> yessir inetpro
[09:17] <psyatw> hi superfly
[09:17] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[09:17] <psyatw> yesterday I went to the AngularJS meetup at Google here in Dublin
[09:18]  * inetpro noticed something about an awesome announcement somewhere
[09:18] <inetpro> Announcement: New Ubuntu Membership Board Members http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/04/14/announcement-new-ubuntu-membership-board-members/
[09:18] <inetpro> Kilos: that is magic! Congratulations and well done!!!
[09:19] <Kilos> ty sir. all your guidance
[09:19] <Jacques_Stry> Congrats Oom Miles!!!
[09:19] <inetpro> haha...
[09:19] <Kilos> ty Jacques_Stry
[09:19]  * inetpro had very little to do with it
[09:20] <Kilos> sigh
[09:20] <magespawn> nice one Kilos
[09:20] <magespawn> more work
[09:20] <Kilos> yeah ty magespawn
[09:20] <Kilos> they said i must do lees here and attend their meetings hehe
[09:21] <Kilos> 2 a month
[09:22] <Kilos> inetpro  if not for you and fly and magespawn  and some others patience i would most likely still be asking "sudo" whats that
[09:22] <inetpro> Kilos: I think you'll do a great job and you will enjoy it as well
[09:23]  * inetpro is very happy for him
[09:23] <Kilos> thanks so much
[09:23]  * psyatw is happy for Mr Kilos himself
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> I remember my days of "Sudo? wt* - #!%$ why is everythink so complicated! >.<"
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> Now it's a different story
[09:24] <inetpro> lot's of interesting people to interview
[09:24] <inetpro> lots as well
[09:24] <psyatw> now it's a fairytale of how you found the love of your life
[09:24]  * Jacques_Stry does a solo mexican wave for Kilos
[09:25]  * inetpro joins the wave
[09:25] <magespawn> i tried suo aptitude install on windows, only stopped just before i pushed enter
[09:25] <magespawn> s/suo/sudo
[09:25] <Jacques_Stry> haha >.<
[09:25] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:26] <inetpro> time for some coffee and then some work again
[09:26] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[09:26] <Kilos> maaz assumption
[09:26]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:26] <Maaz> An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts, but when made by intelligent people is often proven to be true.
[09:26] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[09:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:27] <Kilos> i  get by with a little help from my friends
[09:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[09:30] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[09:30] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[09:31] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks man
[09:31] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[09:31] <Kilos> oh inetpro  they said one thing i must do though
[09:31] <Kilos> remove trello
[09:32] <Jacques_Stry> LIES!
[09:32] <Kilos> oh did i dream it
[09:34] <stickyboy> Ok, this is fucking depressing.
[09:34] <stickyboy> https://twitter.com/AfricanConserve/status/586788556800008192
[09:34] <stickyboy> Kilos: :(
[09:34] <Kilos> hi stickyboy
[09:35] <Kilos> eish
[09:35] <Kilos> we have a continuous war here with poachers as well
[09:36] <stickyboy> Last northern white rhino. wtf.
[09:36] <Kilos> we are even taking dna from every rhino
[09:36] <stickyboy> I don't want to belong to this world!
[09:37] <Kilos> we even have choppers and microlights for chasing poachers
[09:39] <Kilos> wb MaNI
[09:40] <stickyboy> Kilos: Nature is amazing... such a shame.
[09:40] <MaNI> thanks
[09:40] <MaNI> eskom have totally ruined my day
[09:40] <Kilos> inetpro  MaNI  is our gentoo go to man now
[09:40] <Kilos> ai!
[09:40] <stickyboy> gentoo w00t
[09:40] <stickyboy> Arch ftw doe
[09:41] <Kilos> stickyboy  are you back yet?
[09:43] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, back in KE since Sunday.
[09:43] <stickyboy> Kilos: Currently preparing a presentation to my group about GitHub Pages.
[09:43] <stickyboy> https://alanorth.github.io/github-pages-2015
[09:43] <stickyboy> Source is on GitHub of course.
[09:43] <stickyboy> :P
[09:43] <Kilos> sigh
[09:44] <Kilos> no more new stuff to learn man
[09:44] <stickyboy> Kilos: I know how you feel.
[09:45] <Kilos> ive been told to conserve what brain i have left
[09:45] <MaNI> well I'm a man who uses gentoo and hangs around here, I don't belong to anyone :P
[09:45] <Kilos> but you like the git thing so go for it
[09:46] <Kilos> MaNI  once you have been here a while you become part of the family
[09:46] <MaNI> ;)
[09:50] <Kilos> same as stickyboy  , i found him wandering around in the bush in kenya
[09:53] <Kilos> not poaching though, he thinks a rifle is a fancy kind of walking stick
[09:58] <stickyboy> I had a shirt back in the day with a rifle breaking in half.
[09:58] <stickyboy> :P
[09:58] <Kilos> lol
[10:00] <Kilos> so Jacques_Stry  suggestions on hosting that book thing
[10:01] <Kilos> I am the in between guy so chat directly to william about it
[10:01] <Kilos> or mail him
[10:01] <Kilos> he only gets here on meeting nights
[10:03] <MaNI> heh
[10:04] <Jacques_Stry> Kilos: Well we can get a dedicated server from OVH for R65 per month?
[10:05] <Kilos> wait till tomorrow i think padroni can get it cheaper
[10:05] <Kilos> where did you test booktype
[10:07] <Jacques_Stry> http://booktype-demo.sourcefabric.org/
[10:07] <Jacques_Stry> just have to create an account to test
[10:11] <Kilos> ah
[10:12] <Kilos> drop that link in the list maybe
[10:14] <Jacques_Stry> Got it from the list
[10:14] <Kilos> aha cool
[10:15] <Kilos> so we need a local server
[10:15] <Kilos> sigh
[10:15] <Jacques_Stry> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-April/011658.html
[10:15] <Jacques_Stry> Does it have to be hosted locally?
[10:15] <Kilos> nono ive read them all
[10:15] <Kilos> i suppose not
[10:15] <Jacques_Stry> Nah I just posted the mail that has the link
[10:16] <Kilos> oh ty
[10:16] <Kilos> thats all beyong me
[10:16] <Kilos> beyond
[10:16] <Jacques_Stry> Thing is - Servers in SA is so expensive
[10:16] <Kilos> you see how well i type
[10:16] <Kilos> padroni has for good price
[10:17] <Kilos> i remember it was much cheaper than hetzner
[10:19] <Jacques_Stry> Well to host it you need terminal access - so will have to be VM-Hosting or dedicated
[10:19] <Kilos> its actually a major project that
[10:20] <Kilos> everything must be done online then put on a vm on a pc that can go around to schools with no internet
[10:21] <Jacques_Stry> Don't think it is necessary - Finished books can be downloaded as Ebooks so can work without internet access
[10:22] <Kilos> well you guys can work all that out
[10:22] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[10:22] <Kilos> lest just see what padrowants for a server
[10:22] <Kilos> lets
[10:22] <Jacques_Stry> jaja
[10:23] <Kilos> i think his yearly price was about what others monthly prices were
[10:23] <Kilos> i cant remember everything
[10:45] <Symmetri1> hrm
[10:45] <Symmetri1> question, if I have something like this:
[10:45] <Symmetri1> <IP_ADDRESS>/20
[10:46] <Symmetri1> and I want a quick shell command I can echo <IP_ADDRESS>/20 | ..............
[10:46] <Symmetri1> so that it returns <IP_ADDRESS>/20
[10:46] <Symmetri1> (basically subtract one from the last octet)
[10:46] <Symmetri1> anyone got a command line like that for me?
[10:46] <Jacques_Stry> Mmm...
[10:47] <Kilos> oh Symmetri1  your mirror has been sick
[10:47] <Symmetri1> yeah I fixed it last night
[10:47] <Kilos> cool
[10:51] <Symmetri1> HAH
[10:52] <Symmetri1> aalston@home-server:~$ cat temp2 |sed s/\ \ \ //g |grep [0-9] |awk -F . '{split($4, s,"/"); last=s[1]-1; print $1"."$2"."$3"."last"/"s[2]}'
[10:52] <Symmetri1> ;p
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> Holy cr@p
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> you got it?
[10:57] <Symmetria> lol yes
[10:58] <Jacques_Stry> Thanks for posting - I learned a few things
[10:58] <Symmetria> the awk statement divides the IP address into 4 parts, the last part still has the /cidr mask on it, so it then splits the last parameter again into an array, and subtracts from the actual ip, then prints the changed thing out again
[10:59] <Symmetria> the sed and the grep were just fixes to the file to cut out leading crap and stuff
[10:59] <Symmetria> but its the awk statement thats important
[10:59] <Jacques_Stry> Nice
[11:09] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  i think i found the right person. keep it up
[11:10] <Kilos> im sure betwwen you and william the result will be problem solved
[11:11] <Jacques_Stry> Haha
[11:11] <Kilos> im so clever hey
[11:11] <Kilos> hehe
[11:12] <Kilos> the other mails were all advice and noone doing anything
[11:12] <Kilos> poor william
[11:12] <Jacques_Stry> ;) That Ubuntu board member organizational skills coming to out
[11:13] <Kilos> haha too soon man
[11:14] <Jacques_Stry> ...and evidently not my English skills...
[11:15] <Kilos> np im tweetaling
[13:02] <kulelu88> ping
[13:03] <Kilos> you pinging who kulelu88
[13:03] <kulelu88> it works :D
[13:03] <Kilos> you ping yourself
[13:03] <Kilos> ping
[13:03] <Kilos> i see nothing
[13:04] <Kilos> oh you mean the lappy works now
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[13:12] <Kilos> Maaz  it
[13:12] <Maaz> Kilos: it is Saturday
[13:12] <Kilos> ai!
[13:13] <Kilos> i forget how the pro does the it thing
[13:18] <Kilos> it doesnt work
[13:18] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[13:18] <Kilos> lol
[13:33] <Jacques_Stry> bb chat later
[13:33] <Kilos> ok
[14:14] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[14:15] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[14:26] <georgelappies> how are you today Kilos?
[14:28] <Kilos> im good ty georgelappies  and you?
[14:28] <Kilos> you at home already
[14:28] <Kilos> ?
[14:29] <georgelappies> hi Kilos yes I am
[14:29] <georgelappies> I am good thanks
[14:50] <Padroni> hi
[17:00] <Kilos> load shedding huh
[17:01] <Kilos> for those without idiot boxes watch this, i think its a classic
[17:01] <Kilos> http://www.santam.co.za/posts/santam-news/our-latest-tv-ad-one-of-a-kind-insurance-for-a-one-of-a-kind-country/
[17:01] <Kilos> inetpro  you also look
[17:08] <Padroni> hi kilos
[17:08] <Padroni> I've seen that
[17:08] <Kilos> hi Padroni  whats news?
[17:09] <Padroni> nothing much
[17:09] <Padroni> loadshitting
[17:09] <Padroni> rain
[17:09] <Padroni> slow internet
[17:09] <Padroni> no complaints
[17:09] <Kilos> we just had 2.5 hours in the dark
[17:10] <Padroni> so did we
[17:10] <Padroni> came back 16H30
[17:10] <Padroni> off again at 22H00
[17:10] <Kilos> eish
[17:10] <Padroni> dit is fokken belaglik
[17:10] <Kilos> sies man
[17:11] <Kilos> bad news this load shedding. i need to find a gas powered pc
[17:16] <inetpro> ai tog!
[17:17]  * inetpro guessing it's the wrong time to call him to order
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:18] <inetpro> some real bad language there :-!
[17:19]  * inetpro is the lucky one in this round
[17:19] <Kilos> why?
[17:19] <Kilos> oh no power cut
[17:19] <inetpro> busy charging my phone while I can
[17:19] <Kilos> lol
[17:20] <inetpro> don't tell anyone, but we have not had load shedding in this round
[17:20] <inetpro> just yet
[17:20] <Kilos> ssshhh
[17:20] <MaNI> do you live next to an embassy or something?
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:21] <inetpro> feels like it
[17:21] <MaNI> only got shed once today, I guess that makes me 'lucky'
[17:21] <Kilos> lol
[17:21] <inetpro> kinda unfair, I know
[17:22] <inetpro> just doesn't make sense
[17:22] <inetpro> my bill will be higher than yours
[17:22] <MaNI> really need to buy myself some solar panels or something
[17:23] <Kilos> iits expensive, solar panels, batteries and inverter
[17:24] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, still very expensive
[17:24] <Kilos> laptops have the advantage when it comes to power outs
[17:40] <Kilos> i go eat
[18:05] <Kilos> why so quiet
[18:08] <Padroni> looking for a booktype alternative
[18:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:11] <Kilos> what is a dedicated server
[18:12] <inetpro> devoted to a task or purpose
[18:12] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:12] <inetpro> or  exclusively allocated to or intended for a particular purpose
[18:17] <inetpro> kulelu88: wb
[18:17] <Kilos> wb kulelu88
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: I beat you! :-)
[18:18] <Kilos> not here you didnt
[18:18] <Kilos>  <Kilos> wb kulelu88
[18:18] <Kilos> [15/04/2015 20:17] <inetpro> kulelu88: wb
[18:18] <Kilos> should we draw swords and sort it out
[18:19] <inetpro> ai!
[18:19] <superfly> Kilos: you can make your Kubuntu look and work like Unity
[18:19]  * inetpro too tired for that
[18:19]  * superfly found a new plasmoid
[18:19] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:19] <Kilos> leave my kde alone superfly
[18:19] <inetpro> superfly: that sounds interesting
[18:20] <inetpro> what version?
[18:20] <superfly> 4
[18:21] <Kilos> why would anyone want to do that
[18:21] <inetpro> not that I want it, just asking for interest sake
[18:22] <superfly> http://pasteboard.co/2ABdGJFq.png
[18:23] <Kilos> wow you did it by you superfly  ?
[18:24] <superfly> it's really simple to set up
[18:24] <Kilos> nono im happy ty
[18:25] <Kilos> only thing wrong with my kde is , it cant keep the power on
[18:27] <Kilos> but that does look interesting
[18:27] <inetpro> ai!
[18:28] <kulelu88> thank you Kilos and inetpro
[18:28] <kulelu88> i switched from 3G back to ADSL
[18:28]  * inetpro still likes the windows95 extended look and feel
[18:28] <kulelu88> in 2025 I may be on fibre
[18:29] <kulelu88> XFCE ftw!
[18:29] <kulelu88> XFCE woot!
[18:29] <inetpro> KDE took the windows 95 and improved in ways that not even windows 7 could catch up with
[18:29] <Kilos> kulelu88  did you fix the 3g thing
[18:29] <inetpro> and then they gave up
[18:29] <kulelu88> ja, turns out it isn't network locked on the dongle
[18:29] <Kilos> i love kde
[18:30] <kulelu88> something occurred to me and that is that we have very few hack-like sites in SA. hack = DIY kind of things
[18:30] <Kilos> i replace xfce today with 12.04 unity again
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: with windows 8, MS became their own biggest enemy
[18:31] <inetpro> users don't like change
[18:31] <Kilos> it works ok if you install an app that adds the start button and its stuff
[18:32] <Kilos> thats what i did with the second lappy i fixed
[18:32] <Kilos> makes it much of a muchness with 7
[18:32] <inetpro> superfly: do you like it this way?
[18:36] <superfly> inetpro: so far, no. but that's normal with change.
[18:36] <inetpro> true
[18:38] <kulelu88> my setup looks similar to Unity, but I have everything at the bottom and hotkeys on the left also
[18:38] <inetpro> the one thing I have adopted from unity is the positions of the titlebar buttons
[18:38]  * inetpro moved them from right corner to left corner
[18:40] <Kilos> shhh now
[18:40] <inetpro> took a while to get used to that but really enjoy them on the left now
[18:40] <Kilos> im changing nothing
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[18:40] <Kilos> you normally go on and on til i try stuff
[18:40] <Kilos> ty im enjoying TB
[18:41] <Kilos> no more now too busy
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: http://pasteboard.co/2ACw1PjR.png
[18:43] <Kilos> i have 10 workspaces in that corner
[18:43] <Kilos> the switcher thing
[18:44] <inetpro> ai!
[18:45] <Kilos> eish how many channels do you watch?
[18:45] <inetpro> plenty
[18:46] <inetpro> but it's less than 50
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <Kilos> i battle with 6
[18:46] <Kilos> and pidgin
[18:47] <Kilos> first meeting was this avy
[18:47] <Kilos> luckily no new candidates
[18:47] <Kilos> so i could rest
[18:48] <Kilos> we need to push for members
[18:49] <Kilos> inetpro  you have procrastinated long enough now
[18:52] <Padroni> right
[18:52] <Padroni> I am off
[18:52] <Padroni> laters, folks
[18:53] <Kilos> night Padroni
[18:53] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:53] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[18:53] <Padroni> and you, mate
[18:54] <inetpro> uh
[18:54] <inetpro> Padroni: good night
[18:54] <Padroni> ciao
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[18:55] <kulelu88> do any of you okes listen to house music>?
[18:55] <inetpro> what we need to focus on now is Release Parties!
[18:55] <Kilos> sigh
[18:55] <inetpro> we need a release party in each town and city
[18:55] <Kilos> i spose any excuse is better than none
[18:55] <Kilos> eish
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you're in charge of arranging that
[18:56] <Kilos> 16.04 ya
[18:56] <kulelu88> imagine a release party in bloemfontein and ermelo
[18:56] <Kilos> nope
[18:56] <inetpro> can't just sit there and look pretty
[18:56] <Kilos> i have the whip
[18:56] <inetpro> use it
[18:56] <inetpro> but not on me, again
[18:56] <Kilos> hibana  gee terug my sjambok asb
[18:56] <Kilos> you havent done one inetpro
[18:57] <inetpro> ahh... you see, he doesn't even have it
[18:57] <Kilos> i have a whip now, reach is 5 times or more than a sjambok
[18:57] <hibana> Kilos: I'll give it back on one condition
[18:57] <Kilos> leather plaited
[18:58] <Kilos> what hibana  ?
[18:58] <hibana> you use it to make sparks so people get into a party mood
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:59] <Kilos> i battle to get them out of bed
[18:59]  * hibana tucks it away again
[18:59] <Kilos> the mood isnt the prob its the time
[18:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:00] <Kilos> i thought he was my friend
[19:00] <Kilos> hibana  lets negotiate
[19:00] <kulelu88> don't call it a release party. call it a braai and everyone will show up. a free braai and people who dont use ubuntu will show up
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: go see what inetpro posted under current activities
[19:00] <inetpro> https://trello.com/c/gZgulbMO
[19:01] <Kilos> nono man vivid is a short term release
[19:02] <inetpro> every release needs a party to celebrate
[19:02] <Kilos> yes i agree but
[19:02] <Kilos> you find 5 peeps here with the time
[19:02] <inetpro> every release is better than the previous release
[19:06] <Kilos> i am actually tempted to get 15.04
[19:06] <Kilos> mainly for plasma 5 and to see what systemd does better
[19:07] <Kilos> will the command be update-systemd
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3075/
[19:10] <inetpro> only one party listed in Africa so far
[19:10] <inetpro> not good enough sir!
[19:10] <kulelu88> party by Kilos house
[19:10] <kulelu88> release + rave party
[19:11] <Kilos> lol
[19:12]  * pieter2627 is yawning and off to bed
[19:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:12] <Kilos> that was fast
[19:14] <Kilos> inetpro  you are granted the power to organise as many as you can
[19:16] <inetpro> nee jy verstaan verkeerd meneer die voorsitter van die partytjiebeplanningskomitee
[19:16] <Kilos> o dis nie ekke nie
[19:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: just talk about it, every day man
[19:18] <Kilos> why dont you mail the lists, they dont listen to me
[19:18] <Kilos> they accuse me of spam
[19:18] <Kilos> lol actually only one did
[19:42] <inetpro> wb Private_User
[19:42] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[19:43] <Kilos> im about falling asleep here
[19:45] <Kilos> ty my inetpro
[19:45]  * inetpro still doing the mexican wave \o/
[19:46] <Kilos> sjoe @ubuntuza followers are growing hey
[19:46] <Kilos> your turn next my man
[19:47] <Kilos> youre
[19:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[22:44] <gremble> o/


[20:00] <fta> chrisccoulson, the http:// link bug in evo is back. weird
[20:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - that doesn't surprise me, i'm not sure why it worked in the first place ;)
[20:01] <chrisccoulson> it should be completely broken at the moment because of the glib change
[20:23] <fta> *sigh*
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> fta - you can fix it by adding x-scheme-handler/http and x-scheme-handler/https to the Mimetype entry in the desktop file for chromium
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> and then running update-desktop-database
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> (if you've not done that already)
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> i shall be doing the same for firefox in the next upload
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> (and tbird)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> i guess we'll need to update desktop-file-utils this week to add the default handlers
[21:36] <fta> chrisccoulson, is it a fix or a temporary workaround?
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> fta - that's the fix (to add the x-scheme-handler types to the desktop file)
[21:38] <fta> chrisccoulson, hmm, so to fix evo, i need to tweak chromium?? weird
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah. all applications which ship desktop files are responsible for indicating to the system which types they handle
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> this has always been the case for content types, but protocol's were previously handled via a different mechanism
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> (which has now been removed)
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> the problem is there are no applications on your system that are registered to handle http:// URI's, which is why evo fails to open the links in your browser
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> previously, it just looked up the handler in gconf
[21:40] <fta> ok, i see
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> this also breaks the default browser check :/
[21:41] <fta> so i must add those 2 handlers in MimeType?
[21:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that will fix it
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> if you're manually editing the desktop file installed on your system, you'll need to run update-desktop-database too
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> but that normally happens automatically on package installs
[21:42] <fta> i hope it won't hurt backports
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> it's fine, it will be ignored there
[21:45] <fta> committed


[02:47] <Homefix> anyone help with a chroot problem
[11:10]  * janimo is a bit irked by OMAP3 being called omap while OMAP4  omap4
[11:10] <ogra> janimo, thats because the plan is to have only one omap flavour at some point
[11:10] <ogra> for all omaps
[11:14] <amitk> one OMAP flavour to rule them all, one kernel to find them, one OMAP flavour to bring them all and in mainline bind them
[11:15] <ogra> well, its likely that by the time we have -oamp for 3 and 4 we will have a new -omap5 flavour :)
[11:16] <ogra> but yeah, originally that was the plan
[11:16] <hrw> ogra: unless TI will start from -omap not -omap5
[11:16] <ogra> unlikely
[11:17] <ogra> there will always be a patchset before it goes upstream
[11:17] <ogra> might be smaller for omap5 but you will still have new code that doesnt get immediately upstream
[11:18] <vstehle> This should be less and less, now that we have teams focused on upstreaming
[11:18] <ogra> indeed
[11:18] <ogra> but you will always have new HW that will need basic development before you can push upstream
[11:18] <vstehle> Ideally upstream kernel will boot on omap5 when the silicon is there, at least :)
[11:19] <ogra> thats the nature of things
[11:19] <ogra> ideally that timeframe is very short
[11:45] <Tims_> Hello,
[11:47] <Tims_> can anybody help me, to run an Logitech WebCam on an GumStix (ARM cortex A8 - OMAP 3503)
[11:47] <ogra> whats the problem ?
[11:47] <ogra> the ubuntu kernel should have everything you need
[11:48] <Tims_> but it don't
[11:48] <Tims_> its ubuntu - lucid - 10.4 - lxde
[11:48] <ogra> oh, 10.04
[11:48] <Tims_> I build it with rootstock
[11:49] <ogra> and your kernel comes from ??
[11:51] <Tims_> rootstock does everything,
[11:51] <hrw> Tims_: lsusb, dmesg please
[11:51] <ogra> it doesnt install a kernel if you dont define one
[11:52] <Tims_> the order was: ‘sudo rootstock -f “Gumstix” -l “gumstix” -p “overo” -n “Gumstix Overo Ubuntu” -s lxde,gdm,openssh-server,x11vnc -t “Europe/Berlin” –serial ttyS2 -d lucid –locale de_DE.UTF-8'
[11:52] <ogra> that will only roll a rootfs
[11:52] <ogra> wont install a kernel or create an initrd
[11:52] <Tims_> http://pastebin.de/14695
[11:52] <ogra> your kernel must come from somewhere else (NAND boot probably)
[11:53] <Tims_> http://pastebin.de/14700
[11:54] <Tims_> i work on a Gumstix,
[11:54] <Tims_> overo, maybe it is usefull
[11:55] <Tims_> ah sorry, of course i get the kernel, i was a little bit blind :D
[11:55] <Tims_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/211887/Ubuntu/uImage-2.6.34-r88-overo.bin
[11:56] <hrw> modprobe uvcvideo
[11:57] <Tims_> "FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.34/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[11:57] <ogra> shouldnt be necessary if his kernel is proper
[11:57] <ogra> which it obviously isnt
[11:57] <LetoThe2nd> hrw: ogra: we've been through all this in #ubuntu-de already.
[11:57] <LetoThe2nd> his kernel is whacked, but he has no clue how to update or bake a new one.
[11:57] <ogra> ah
[11:58]  * LetoThe2nd has repeatedly told him to read documentation.
[11:58] <ogra> is there probably a modules tarball at the dropbox location you could extract to the rootfs ?
[11:59] <ogra> if not, you need to roll your own kernel
[12:00] <LetoThe2nd> and once again: http://wiki.gumstix.org/index.php?title=Kernel_Reconfiguration
[12:00] <ogra> (i'm not sure how well gumstix is supported by mavericks kernel, but might b worth a try)
[12:01] <Tims_> i can't look into the dropbox
[12:02] <sveinse> Where can I find a "good" kernel config for omap3 for maverick? I just need the config file to compare my settings against
[12:03] <ogra> sveinse, in the linux-image-omap3 package
[12:04] <Tims_> LetoThe2nd, i can't find this link in #ubuntu-de log, but thanks
[12:05] <LetoThe2nd> Tims_: you can't find it because i've never mentioned so far. by "go read documentation" i though it would also include "go and search it first". i sincerely apologize for that misunderstanding.
[12:06] <sveinse> ogra, thanks.  Name being linux-image-omap though
[12:06] <ogra> oh, yeah
[12:06] <ogra> though that might only be the meta, check the deps
[12:07] <Tims_> @LetoThe2nd, no problem
[12:07]  * LetoThe2nd hands out a few spare sarcasm detectors.
[12:10] <Tims_> orga, thanks
[13:13] <XorA> persia: ping
[15:52] <ogra> GrueMaster, ugh, whats all that assigning to ubuntu-armel ?
[15:53] <GrueMaster> Open bugs that need to be assigned to the team, but not necessarily an individual.
[15:53] <ogra> why ?
[15:53] <ogra> where is the change in our bug policy documented ?
[15:53] <ogra> we never assigned the team, only individuals
[16:00] <GrueMaster> marjo was concerned yesterday about the armel bugs that weren't assigned to anyone.  I'm just trying to assign them to the team so they are on our radar (and proper bug report).  I am also weeding out the bugs that we don't care about, so that I can go back and say "not our problem".
[16:02] <ogra> these should better be assigned to individuals
[16:02] <GrueMaster> Why is lool reassigning bug 705689 from NCommander to janimo?
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705689 in qt4-x11 "QT applications crash with segfault error on armel when QT is built with gcc 4.5 on natty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705689
[16:03] <janimo> GrueMaster, possibly because I touched it last? No idea
[16:03] <janimo> anyway we're going to decide how to fix this porperly together
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I thought a good first step would be to assign these bugs to our team, then we can take individual ownership from there.
[16:03] <ogra> because janimo had a workaround for using gcc 4.5
[16:03] <janimo> so not sure that assignment means much in this particular case.
[16:03] <ogra> instead of just dumping 4.4 in place
[16:04] <janimo> ogra, I'd rather wait a bit and see if gcc can be fixed so we don;t need another workaround upload (Especially if the NCommander
[16:04] <janimo> s's latest one gives us working images)
[16:04] <ogra> GrueMaster, i'd rather see us doing a dedicated bug triage day with the whole team and see that we can get them all assigned properly
[16:04] <ogra> GrueMaster, also many are linaro (thumb2 porting) and need to be tagged for the new porting querue
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Works for me, assuming the bugs actually get worked on.
[16:04] <ogra> *queue
[16:05] <ogra> and not be assigned to us at all
[16:05] <GrueMaster> The porting bugs I am leaving alone.
[16:05] <janimo> ogra, I see a few of the porting to Thumb2 are oboslete. I mean thumb2 is enabled in most packages. There are other issues -multicore for ex
[16:05] <janimo> but that is mislabeled as a Thumb2 porting issue
[16:05] <ogra> janimo, well, we have to decide if we want to work on these or give them to linaro
[16:05] <GrueMaster> One of the issues is that no one has been closing bug reports when they get fixed.
[16:06] <ogra> thumb2 porting is usually linaro nowadays
[16:06] <lool> GrueMaster, janimo: I commented earlier that it seemed to me the bug should be open since it's not fixed, just worked around; I've reopened it since janimo was active on it anyway, and because the assignee was NCommander but janimo was actually the one working on it, I've changed the assignee to janimo
[16:06] <lool> Hope that makes sense
[16:06] <ogra> the tag you see is likel old
[16:06] <ogra> *likely
[16:06] <janimo> lool, ok,. actually we were both working on it, just on different aspects, but I agree it is still an open bug
[16:06] <GrueMaster> lool: Both have been actively working on it in unison.
[16:06] <janimo> as far as gcc is concerned
[16:06] <ogra> lool, thats why i re-did the description a bit
[16:07] <janimo> ogra, the FTBFS ones I think we can manage, thre toolchain bugs we must give to linaro
[16:07] <lool> From the comments on the bug, NCommander seemed to be working on gcc-4.4 vs 4.5 and janimo on fixing the cpp code; I am happy if you folks fix the assignee either way
[16:08] <ogra> really no need to reassign randomly ... the prob here is that we miss a "workaround applied tag, needs revisiting"
[16:08] <ogra> lool, both workarounds are done in QT while the bug is a gcc bug
[16:08] <ogra> which still has the task open
[16:09] <lool> ogra: I am not sure why you frame this as "randomly"; I think I explained how I picked it; I tried to make the best guess
[16:10] <ogra> sure, but one is uploaded, the other isnt, neither fixes the root cause, bug is being worked on by both
[16:11] <ogra> janimo, right, thats what i mean
[16:29] <janimo> rsalveti, ogra, does the version of x-loader/u-boot used get exposed somehwre in linux while booted and running>
[16:29] <janimo> ?
[16:30] <rsalveti> janimo: just at the first partition
[16:30] <rsalveti> atm
[16:31] <rsalveti> you can install the packages if you want, but it's not installed by default
[16:31] <rsalveti> and the version you can check probably by just booting the board
[16:35] <janimo> rsalveti, yes, I know about t6hose, but was wondering if they get passed to linux in some param and mnaybe readable in proc
[16:36] <janimo> just out of curiosioty, it is not of much use
[16:36] <rsalveti> janimo: not something they pass to linux
[16:39] <XorA> would be real easy to add to u-boot/kernel though
[16:50] <janimo> rsalveti, I copied over the MLO and u-boot.bin from the new natty packages, and while the panda boots, there's no output on serial as it used to, this is why I wanted to see if I can read the version strings elsewhere
[16:51] <rsalveti> janimo: no output at all or just after loading the kernel?
[16:51] <janimo> rsalveti, at all
[16:51] <janimo> before I saw x-loader print stuff
[16:51] <ogra> weird
[16:51] <ogra> but it boots ?
[16:52] <janimo> ogra, it booted
[16:52] <ogra> very very weird :)
[16:52] <rsalveti> so could be a problem with your serial connection
[16:52] <janimo> I rebooted adn and now I still can;t ssh
[16:52] <janimo> so maybe it does not boot all the time
[16:52] <janimo> 115200 is fixed right?
[16:52] <rsalveti> not booting at all would be kind of "ok"
[16:52] <ogra> should be
[16:52] <rsalveti> but booting and not getting you anything is weird
[16:53] <janimo> rsalveti, I agree
[16:53]  * janimo takes out the SD card to inspect in the laptop
[16:53] <ogra> 115200n8 *should* be a default
[16:53] <ogra> no guarantee that didnt change though
[16:53] <janimo> I did not touch boot.scr, only copied over two new files
[16:54] <rsalveti> didn't change
[16:54] <rsalveti> so it seems that you're not even loading the x-loader correctly
[16:54] <rsalveti> you can easily check by the panda leds
[16:54] <rsalveti> once u-boot is loaded both leds should blink
[16:55] <rsalveti> and then stays on until the kernel gets control of them
[16:56] <janimo> I have one of the leds blinking more often
[16:56] <janimo> but sometimes they alternates
[16:56] <janimo> not on permanently though
[16:56]  * janimo resets
[16:56] <ogra> one is SD, one is heartbeat
[16:56] <janimo> it could be a faulty SD card
[16:57] <janimo> I had issues with it's seconds root partition and was only using it for booting
[16:57] <janimo> ogra, the one further away fro the SD slot blinks periodcally
[16:57] <janimo> actually long pause, blink short pause blink, then repeat
[16:58] <janimo> time for another SD card
[17:54] <Homefix1> i need help an error that i get installing DarwinSS in qemu or arm7 device? got a min anyone?
[17:57] <ogra_> darwin ?
[17:57] <Homefix1> Darwin streaming server
[17:57] <Homefix1> I...
[17:57] <ogra_> no idea about that
[17:58] <Homefix1> it ibstalles fine in normal envirement however in chroot envirement i get these errors......
[17:58] <Homefix1> ./Install: line 408: /usr/local/bin/qtpasswd: No such file or directory
[17:58] <Homefix1> ./Install: line 416: /usr/local/bin/qtpasswd: No such file or directory
[17:58] <Homefix1> cp: cannot stat `DarwinStreamingServer': No such file or directory
[17:58] <Homefix1> copying PlaylistBroadcaster to /usr/local/bin/PlaylistBroadcaster
[17:58] <Homefix1> cp: cannot stat `PlaylistBroadcaster': No such file or directory
[17:58] <Homefix1> copying MP3Broadcaster to /usr/local/bin/MP3Broadcaster
[17:58] <Homefix1> cp: omitting directory `MP3Broadcaster'
[17:58] <Homefix1> copying qtpasswd to /usr/local/bin/qtpasswd
[17:58] <Homefix1> and such.....
[17:59] <ogra_> did you try to find a darwin related IRC channel ?
[18:00] <Homefix1> none
[18:00] <Homefix1> i thought maybe permissions of some sort because of the chroot env.
[18:00] <Homefix1> im always in root i think
 .....................help hrw


[00:44] <guiverc[m]> thanks oerheks for thinking of ^ for UWN inclusion; I enjoyed watching it last night, but alas it never entered my mind about it for UWN ☹
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning


@UniversalSuperBox [We're trying to build QtWebEngine 5.13 against Qt 5.9 using GCC 5.4.0 on Ubuntu …], As far as I know QtWebEngine is supposed to build against the latest supported LTS version. 5.9 has already been replaced by 5.12 iirc.


[01:19] <rww> added him to @ignore on ubottu
[01:19] <HFSPLUS> !ops | GOD PREDESTINES PEOPLE TO HEAVEN AND HELL ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL
[02:39] <daftykins> ebolajackson in #ubuntu spamming me with religious... stuff :/
[02:40] <daftykins> oops nope not religious, that other thing - politics!
[02:43] <rww> daftykins: in PM, I assume? if so, copy it to me (also in PM), please
[02:43] <daftykins> roger that
[02:48]  * rww frowns at spammers
[02:48] <rww> they should make my life easier and spam my honeypot account
[02:48] <daftykins> :D
[02:49] <daftykins> i do find it odd that people want to disrupt networks and channels that are there for the support and proliferation of free things :/
[02:49] <daftykins> i mean, trolling or spamming a Windows channel, you can kind of understand misguided hatred there... but Ubuntu? just nope.
[02:50] <rww> it's the largest channel on freenode, lots of targets for their nonsense
[02:50] <daftykins> ah
[02:51] <daftykins> so my new strategy of walking away from the IRC client when in a mood unlikely to fit with volunteering seems to be working.
[02:52] <rww> there we go
[02:53] <rww> daftykins: banned, thanks for the report
[02:53] <rww> and yes, it does :)
[02:53] <daftykins> no problemo!
[02:54] <daftykins> back to the baseball with me, have a good one sir
[03:43] <_unreal_> hello.. <TennisUrchin> in #ubuntu channel is sending BS pm messages advertizing gay ideals, cross dressing suggestive messages and the list goes on.
[04:06] <phunyguy> probably gonna have to set +r at some point in #u
[04:20] <phunyguy> hfsplus ^
[04:20] <phunyguy> he is having a good old time
[04:21] <phunyguy> also, #u has been handled.... for now.
[04:25] <_unreal_> cheers :)
[04:41] <rww> "gay ideals" eh
[13:39] <k1l> !alis
[14:21] <k1l> dont we have one with ops active?
 Don't worry about that disgusting virus from Africa. He only has 2 years left.
[23:53] <bazhang> 2 years?


[00:05] <Takyoji> What would your response be to a person that thinks favoring open source software as being a "cheap ass" (trying to go for anything that's lower in price regardless of quality) and that because you can edit source, but that it has no direct benefit to a standard user since a standard user isn't going to be modifying the source code ever?
[00:06] <Takyoji> It's kind of like how I think my brother perceives of open source as, from what I've observed.
[00:07] <Takyoji> Since supposedly anyone that's paid to develop it is supposedly a "professional".
[00:07] <Takyoji> which costs money, and supposed "there's no such thing as a free lunch"
[00:09] <Takyoji> I don't view it like that at all; but how would any of you try to clear up some of the misconceptions? Like, what points should be expressed?


[02:37] <f0urtyfive> anyone have an idea why I get red boxes flashing every once and a while when watching HD quality tv in myth?
[03:43] <rhpot1991> f0urtyfive: bad signal somewhere?
[03:43] <rhpot1991> sounds like maybe a digital breakup
[03:44] <f0urtyfive> yeah thats what I figured... it always clears up real quick though...
[03:44] <f0urtyfive> its like a grid of red blocks, quite annoying :D
[03:45] <rhpot1991> f0urtyfive: what kind of tuner?
[03:46] <f0urtyfive> I have a hdhomerun
[03:46] <f0urtyfive> annnndd....
[03:47] <rhpot1991> f0urtyfive: do you see it on more than one tuner?
[03:47] <f0urtyfive> I dont know, I dont have much HD so I dont see it that often :D
[03:47] <rhpot1991> I used to get digital breakups on my HDHR, so I took it off the network and run it straight into my master backend now
[03:48] <f0urtyfive> yeah I use my HDHR for an IR reciever as well so :/
[03:48] <f0urtyfive> (and its two floors up)
[03:49] <f0urtyfive>  Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250
[03:49] <f0urtyfive> is my other tuner
[03:49] <f0urtyfive> but I'm not sure which one the boxes are on, since my myth install seems to be showing 4 tuners
[04:50] <hipitihop> I want to allow other hosts to access the db, what is the correct way ?
[04:51] <hipitihop> I'm trying to setup mymote app in iphone and getting disconnected.
[06:04] <DaveQB_> How do you enable the Control Centre option to be displayed in the settings menu? So far, I can't select it without jumping through hoops to get the Desktops Main menu open...
[06:27] <DaveQB> Oops, sorry, parted for a bit, I hope I didn't miss a response...
[06:30] <superm1> DaveQB, it doesnt show up there for the 0.22 or 0.23 releases by default
[06:31] <DaveQB> superm1: Thanks for the response. Hmmm I am using 9.10 and 0.22.0
[06:31] <superm1> DaveQB, you can modify the xml file if you want to add it in there
[06:31] <DaveQB> superm1:  is there a way to "enable" it? Hack some config/xml?
[06:31] <DaveQB> superm1:  Ahhhhh
[06:32] <DaveQB> superm1:  Path for it please?
[06:32] <superm1> DaveQB, i dont know off hand which xml file it is, but they're all in /usr/share/mythtv
[06:32] <DaveQB> superm1:  Ahh huh! I see :-)
[06:32] <DaveQB> superm1:  Why is not enabled by default?
[06:33] <superm1> DaveQB, because you cant control it with a remote
[06:33] <DaveQB> Every review/tutorial I see says to open it graphically...
[06:33] <superm1> yeah we used to have it there
[06:33] <DaveQB> Hmmm I see
[06:33] <DaveQB> superm1:  Oh I see
[06:33] <superm1> you can open it graphically from the applications menu when you quit mythfrontend
[06:33] <DaveQB> I like how it used to be ;-)
[06:33] <superm1> help get us a patch to do remote support in there, and we'll gladly :)
[06:34] <DaveQB> Oh, if you quit the frontend, you are left with an XFCE desktop?
[06:34] <DaveQB> superm1:  hehe but it was listed before right? How did it work then?
[06:34] <superm1> Yeah you are
[06:34] <superm1> it didnt work with the remote, it just required you use a keyboard/mouse when you picked it
[06:34] <DaveQB> superm1: and to launch tyhe frontend again....a desktop icon or in the main XFCE menu?
[06:35] <superm1> in the menu
[06:35] <superm1> you can make a desktop icon if you want, sure though
[06:35] <DaveQB> superm1: Right, cool. I like that, personally. Having it there as an option, but I can see noobs getting confused...
[09:20] <ripperda> hi, I'm ripping dvds and I'm curious what the easiest way to find out what each track is
[09:20] <ripperda> in some cases, I would like to rip trailers, etc, so I'm curious if there's an easy way to play back specific tracks to see what they are
[09:29] <ripperda> ah, found the mplayer commands to play back a specific title
[15:28] <batrams> Hi - I see some kernel errors(?) in my /var/log/messages. Is it a bad idea to try a kernel update?
[15:32] <mrand> batrams: no, kernel updates that are offered via the update/upgrade services are generally good.  But before doing that, it might be good to google the potential messages.
[15:47] <batrams> Thankls
[15:48] <batrams> This AM the box was locked - could not even ssh in and I saw messages such as this:
[15:48] <batrams> Feb 13 10:13:30 mythbox kernel: [40889.717840] type=1503 audit(1266074010.163:54): operation="open" pid=5166 parent=5165 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/sys/devices/system/cpu/"
[15:53] <mrand> batrams: I've seen that before.   ah... here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.1/+bug/444479
[15:53] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #444479 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (Ubuntu): “missing apparmor access rule ”
[15:53] <mrand> google also turns up this: http://bokov.net/weblog/administration/quick-fix-problem-with-mysql-starting-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[15:53] <Zinn> [bokov.net] Alexey Bokov’s weblog » Blog Archive » Quick fix problem with mySQL starting on Ubuntu 9.10
[15:57] <batrams> Thanks - I'll check it out!
[16:54] <dashcloud> folks, I just had a bizarre experience with restoring my database backup
[16:55] <dashcloud> I needed the mythtv user to drop the database (root user would not work), and the root user to create the new database- which is a little strange I think
[17:00] <mrand> dashcloud: When I was playing around with backup and restore, I think I noticed that too.  sorry, don't know what else to say about it.
[17:27] <fukdnscerd> new mythbuntu install, set video directory, made sure its readable by everyone, and mythtv still tells me it finds no files.  Tried setting verbosity to all, but it doesnt say what directory its loading, only that its getting the default video directory from the db
[17:28] <mrand> fukdnscerd: you scanning for files after you enter mythvideo?
[17:29] <fukdnscerd> i have it set to browse the folder by default, but i did try using video manager to scan and it also comes up with no files
[17:32] <mrand> browse by folder doesn't auto scan, so that doesn't count.  But it sounds like you did request it to scan ('m' key, or MCE button)?
[17:34] <fukdnscerd> ahhh, previous versions of myth scanned automatically for changes when video manager was started correct??  I don't ever remember having to tell it to scan before!!!  well either way it did it
[17:35] <mrand> fukdnscerd: So it's fixed?  Previous versions you had to go into mythvideo setup.  Mythvideo setup has basically been eliminated, and understandably if you had a huge library, you might not want it scanning everytime you enter the plugin.
[17:36] <fukdnscerd> i see.... yes it is fixed, thanks
[18:00] <fukdnscerd> is it normal for it to take a few minutes to download metadata for movies
[18:10] <fukdnscerd> if i already have part of the meta data downloaded, then it is very fast, but for new movies takes up to 2 minutes to update metadata in myth even thought the log shows its complete
[18:25] <thafreak> Hello group, I'm curious if mythbuntu 10.04 will be an LTS release?
[18:30] <thafreak> Also, if I upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10, does the DB schema change significantly? Will I lose all my current recorded show info and schedules?
[18:32] <fukdnscerd> .04 releases are usually lts
[18:32] <fukdnscerd> i think
[18:32] <fukdnscerd> not sure on the DB
[18:35] <fukdnscerd> may have found a bug!! in video manager, if you try to exit video manager before dowload meta data script is finished, mythtv crashes with: "QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running."
[19:02] <mrand> fukdnscerd: I think I recall it being said that the image retrieval is done in the background so it doesn't block other stuff.
[19:03] <mrand> thafreak: yes.  Every other .04 release is LTS.  10.04 is.
[19:06] <mrand> !debug | fukdnscerd
[19:06] <Zinn> fukdnscerd: To report crashes, please follow the directions outlined under the "Basic backtrace" section of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debugging_with_Ubuntu_packages
[19:09] <fukdnscerd> thanks
[19:26] <fukdnscerd> do i have to create links to my video, video cover, etc. directories for access from mythweb
[19:28] <fukdnscerd> nvm
[19:28] <mrand> fukdnscerd: it's been a long time... I don't recall.
[19:28] <mrand> fukdnscerd: ah... what did you find?
[19:29] <fukdnscerd> there are already links created, but they point to the standard directories... I keep my data in non-standard locations
[19:29] <fukdnscerd> so should just have to recreate links
[19:29] <mrand> gotcha.  where were they pointing to by default?
[19:34] <fukdnscerd> /var/lib/mythtv/video
[19:35] <mrand> was this a fresh install or an upgrade?  I thought it had changed to vidoes (with an 's')
[19:39] <fukdnscerd> yes, most recent mythbuntu image....  It may have been, I might have been mistaken..
[19:39] <fukdnscerd> you are right it did have an s
[19:40] <fukdnscerd> my existing storage was set up for the old scheme
[19:43] <mrand> very good.  thanks for verifying that.
[20:17] <gbee> how do I disable gnome-screensaver, dead, never coming back to life? I'd uninstall it but mythbuntu-desktop requires it for some vexing reason
[20:40] <mrand> gbee:  superm1 would have to answer why it is listed as a requires.  I believe the problem you are seeing may be caused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/428884
[20:40] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #428884 in vlc (Ubuntu): “gnome-screensaver-command --poke no longer inhibits screensaver”
[20:52] <gmathews> hey all
[20:52] <gmathews> what graphics would i need to run mythbuntu - primary need would be to display 1080p rips of video
[20:52] <gmathews> *graphics card
[20:53] <mrand> gmathews: the only question that generates more interest than that one is which tuner to use ;-)
[20:54] <mrand> If your CPU is powerful enough, nearly any graphical output device woud work.
[20:54] <gmathews> mrand: u reckon? I am running Kubuntu 9.10, not too happy when connecting the pc to my bravia 40", video is a lil sluggy - using an onboard 6150
[20:54] <mrand> If you are trying to minimize CPU power, then the general advice is to buy something Nvidia based which support VDPAU
[20:55] <gmathews> whats VDPAU
[20:55] <gmathews> okay let me google :D
[20:56] <gmathews> interesting its for series 8 and onwards :D
[20:56] <mrand> Pretty much.  There are slight variations between cards, with some having a few more features than others.
[20:57] <gmathews> mrand is setting up mythbuntu worth it for just playing media on disk - or should i get something like the mede8er MED500X..trying to weigh out between buying a graphics card and putting cash into a new graphics card
[20:57] <mrand> !vdpau | gmathews
[20:57] <Zinn> gmathews: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[20:58] <gmathews> i mean wigh out between putting cash into a graphics card or a media center like the mede8er
[20:58] <gmathews> *weigh
[20:59] <mrand> I'd have to read up on the MED500X.
[20:59] <gmathews> its one of those media centers thaat can play anything on disc
[20:59] <gmathews> HDD i mean
[21:00] <gmathews> which is what i want really..but i have been using ubuntu for a while..so want to see its capabilities as a media center
[21:01] <gmathews> need to figure out a way to get a remote working for mythbuntu too tho ;/
[21:01] <mrand> Depends on what you're looking for then.  MythTV excels at scheduling and recording TV from its various sources.
[21:01] <gmathews> hmmm i see..i'm just keen for having a media center to play stuff from my HDD
[21:01] <mrand> gmathews: lirc doesn't require mythbuntu... it can be installed by itself.
[21:02] <gmathews> mrand: lirc?
[21:02] <gmathews> !lirc | gmathews
[21:02] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about lirc
[21:02] <gmathews> ;/
[21:02] <mrand> hahaha  I'm surprised Zinn doesn't know that.
[21:02] <Zinn> Hi mrand, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[21:04] <mrand> it's the software which handles most remote controls.  Google will tell you lots about it.  Anyway, MythTV could certainly do what you want, but is not its primary focus.  XMBC and other media software may be a bit more targeted for just that application if that's all you want/need.
[21:05] <superm1> gbee, it's because it was a depends rather than recommends for mythbuntu-desktop.  you can safely remove mythbuntu-desktop as it's just a metapackage.  just keep in mind that if you upgrade to 10.04, the upgrades go smoother when the metapackages are intact
[21:05] <superm1> mrand, ^
[21:05] <mrand> thanks for the reminder
[21:05] <gmathews> mrand: sorry was having a smoke..okay i need to  do more googling it seems 'D
[21:05] <gmathews> mrand: thanjs for ur time
[21:05] <mrand> sure thing.
[21:09] <gbee> mrand: poking has always been a pretty fragile and imperfect way of dealing with the screensaver, and doesn't handle the screensaver kicking in when idle in the menus, like many people my mythbuntu box is a dedicated frontend connected to a TV, I don't need the screensaver at all
[21:10] <gbee> if I can safely remove it as superm1 says, then that's better in the long run
[21:10] <superm1> can switch the screensaver over to a Recommends for 10.04 so it's easier to remove too
[21:11] <mrand> superm1: that might help people live with bug that you can't seem to kill it.
[21:11] <thafreak> mrand: I know every other .04 release is usually LTS, but does that mean mythbuntu is LTS too? I heard some variations (like lubuntu) aren't LTS
[21:12] <superm1> there is no formal "support" so it's irrelevant
[21:12] <superm1> but it means the repos live for a longer time
[21:14] <gbee> thafreak: I expect that the core OS is still LTS but I can't speak for that, what I can say is that no long term support is offered for mythtv, once a new version is out we expect people to upgrade or put up with bugs, we don't have the manpower to maintain multiple versions
[21:15] <superm1> as the mythbuntu developers we'll try to keep autobuilds going for as long as is sustainable
[21:15] <superm1> gbee is correct that the core OS is still LTS
[21:19] <mrand> anyone have a favorite hex editor that will open binary files, allow for searching, and jumping to locations?
[21:19] <superm1> whatcha hackin on?
[21:19] <gmathews> mrand: xmbc is exactly what i was looking for, thanks!
[21:21] <mrand> superm1: car chip.  I burned a lot of chips for friends a long time ago.  One has had some engine work done and the point-and-click chip burning tools that people use now can't do a few of the customizations that I did back then.  So I'm taking the revised chip that he has and changing it slightly.
[21:21] <mrand> Shift light, in this case.
[21:38] <mrand> WOW.  Bless is a really nice hex editor.  will even support find&replace and insert, as well as goto  much nicer than back when I used emacs
[22:41] <hipitihop> Is 6546 still the standard telnet port for frontend remote control ?
[22:42] <superm1> the port hasn't changed afaik
[22:43] <superm1> so yes, 6546
[22:43] <hipitihop> and does frontend need to be restart if I change the port in setup ?
[22:47] <superm1> i dont know.  doesn't hurt to restart the frontend if it's not working immediately though


[15:27] <Mothership> hello sirs
[19:24] <saml> i have a bashscript. how do I run it?
[19:24] <saml> do i need to fork  process myself?


[18:22] <japa> So wondering if I can get some assistance regarding my install usb it's not installing grub it tries to install it on "dm" ill have to be home tonight to confirm the full message
[19:39] <fossfreedom> japa you need to set the usb device as the place to install grub - a good run through describing this is here http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/11/install-real-ubuntu-os-usb-drive/
[19:59] <japa> Why is the boot drive where to install grub if it'll be on my pc?
[20:00] <japa> Just out of curiosity since thats not something I've ever heard of. I'm reimaging
[20:00] <fossfreedom> if you are installing everything on the USB stick - the USB stick needs to have grub.
[20:01] <japa> I'm installing to pc from Ian
[20:01] <japa> Usb*
[20:02] <fossfreedom> k - write your usb flash drive from the ISO using something like etcher.  It will correctly install everything to enable you to boot from USB to install onto  a PC
[20:07] <japa> I actually used either
[20:07] <japa> Etcher*
[20:26] <japa> That's what's weird the setting up the iso on usb was successful but when installing it throws an error trying to install the bootloader
[20:28] <fossfreedom> have you got four primary partitions on the hard-drive?
[20:29] <japa> It's not in front of me so not sure.
[20:29] <fossfreedom> maybe that's the issue - you can't have more than four primary partitions
[20:32] <japa> Thanks. Hadn't thought of that weird that I wouldn't. I will check this when I get home. I was going to bring it to work to work on but I forgot it.
[20:33] <japa> I was hoping it would be a relatively simple fix


[09:02] <ricotz> bdrung_, hello, the latest ubuntu-dev-tools update broke pbuilder-dist for me
[09:03] <ricotz> it fails with "Command line parameter [] is not a valid .dsc file name"
[09:16] <persia> ricotz, Could you file a bug about that?  Specifically, detailing the precise command you used to generate that output, etc.
[09:18] <ricotz> persia, it fails with a simple command like this "pbuilder-dist maverick build PACKAGE.dsc"
[09:19] <persia> ricotz, I believe you.  I don't use pbuilder, and my python is questionable, so I'm not the right person to fix it.  Please file a bug.
[09:19] <ricotz> RainCT, ^
[09:20] <RainCT> Hi
[09:20] <ricotz> it might be releated to this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/740
[09:21] <ricotz> RainCT, hi, i was looking into the latest commit in ubunu-dev-tools and something seems to broke pbuilder-dist
[09:24] <RainCT> ricotz: I see. "pbuilder-foo build *.dsc" fails but "pbuilder-foo *.dsc" (a shortcut for that) works. However both seem to run exactly the same command (which you can see with --debug-echo) :S
[09:26] <ricotz> RainCT, seems like the arguments arent seperated the right way now
[09:26] <ricotz> using --debug-echo results in a quoted dsc-filename with the newer version
[09:30] <ricotz> RainCT, i hope you find the problem ;-)
[09:32] <RainCT> ricotz: I've just found the problem, but I'm not sure why it's only happening after the quoting change.
[09:35] <ricotz> RainCT, i havent had a deep look into it, i just suspected this change might have caused it
[09:44] <RainCT> ricotz, persia: OK, pushed the fix. Should I upload this or better wait a day or two in case anyone else has something to get in?
[09:49] <ricotz> RainCT, i think it is worth an update since it might break some custom build scripts on the weekend ;-)
[15:04] <quidnunc> I have a regression on dovecot process restarting (Bug #646858). Is this a possible candidate for a freeze exception?
[15:14] <kklimonda> can someone take a look at, and sponsor if possible, bug 636482? It's getting late :)
[16:03] <ScottK> RainCT: A LOT of people use pbuilder-dist.  I'd prefer it if you'd go ahead and upload the fix.
[16:11] <ScottK> quidnunc: I've triaged the bug so it will get reviewed by the release team for inclusion.
[16:11] <quidnunc> ScottK: Thanks
[16:11] <ScottK> quidnunc: No problem.  Thanks for reporting it.
[16:17] <RainCT> ScottK: Looks like bdrung_ already uploaded it.
[16:17] <ScottK> RainCT: To Ubuntu?
[16:18] <RainCT> ScottK: changelog says "experimental", but it shows up on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools
[16:19] <ScottK> RainCT: Thanks.
[16:24] <bdrung_> ScottK, RainCT: i uploaded it to experimental and synced it with syncpackage
[16:24] <ScottK> bdrung_: Thanks for taking care of it.
[16:25] <bdrung_> ScottK: np
[16:26] <bdrung_> release early, release often ;)
[18:02] <bilalakhtar> Sorry for all those joins, was fiddling with Irssi, for some reason its -! flag to stop autoconnecting was not working
[18:24] <lucas> cd
[18:24] <lucas> oops


[00:23] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else getting compiz memory leaks?
[00:30] <DBO> Daekdroom, how bad?
[00:30] <Daekdroom> It increased 12MB since that message, and now is at 178MB
[00:31] <Daekdroom> I'm gonna time 5 minutes in here to see the difference.
[00:32] <DBO> so a MB a minute?
[00:34] <DBO> JohnLea, is it really you are just your phone
[00:37] <Daekdroom> 19,6MB in five minutes with intense window focus switching/minimizing
[00:45] <DBO> Daekdroom, messing with the dash much?
[00:45] <Daekdroom> Not really.
[00:45] <Daekdroom> I wonder if it's QT's fault again.
[00:46] <DBO> Daekdroom, I like to blame qt
[00:53] <Daekdroom> It doesn't look like Clementine is the one to blame.
[00:54] <DBO> no we are likely leaking something somewhere
[00:54] <DBO> I just dont know where yet
[01:05] <Th3Pr0ph3t> Daekdroom: compiz? I'm using no effects because compiz crashes everytime I do something.
[01:07] <DBO> Th3Pr0ph3t, by do something?
[01:07] <DBO> like do something == move your mouse?
[01:07] <Th3Pr0ph3t> Right-clicking
[01:07] <Th3Pr0ph3t> An clicking on a combo box are safe bets
[01:08] <JohnLea> DBO; ?
[01:08] <Th3Pr0ph3t> It crashes 100% of the time I do that (rightclicking for context menus)
[01:08] <DBO> have you tried getting crash traces?
[01:08] <Th3Pr0ph3t> no, how do I do that?
[01:08] <DBO> does apport pop up asking you to report the problem when it crashes?
[01:08] <Th3Pr0ph3t> everytime
[01:09] <DBO> do you ever report it?
[01:09] <Th3Pr0ph3t> let me check launchpad for a link to the reported bug
[01:09] <DBO> thanks :)
[01:11] <Th3Pr0ph3t> DBO: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/753771 this is the bug of me clicking on a combo that crashes compiz
[01:13] <Th3Pr0ph3t> I reported that bug to compiz because it happens on both Unity and Gnome with special effects enabled...
[01:15] <DBO> Th3Pr0ph3t, thanks
[01:15] <DBO> I will make sure sam sees it
[01:16] <DBO> Th3Pr0ph3t, your bug report unfortunately does not include the core dump data
[01:16] <DBO> :/
[01:16] <Th3Pr0ph3t> You mean, that BIG report?
[01:16] <Daekdroom> Ikr?
[01:16] <Th3Pr0ph3t> It was about 97MB and I said no way :/
[01:16] <DBO> :/
[01:16] <DBO> thats the only way we get the needed data
[01:16] <Th3Pr0ph3t> np I can reproduce it again
[01:16] <DBO> sorry :(
[01:17] <Th3Pr0ph3t> I'll make it crash again and send the full report next time, in about 10 or 20 mins
[01:17] <Daekdroom> I wonder, how do I report a kernel oops caused by compiz if the X server becomes inresponsive?
[01:17] <DBO> Daekdroom, it will pop up the next time you log in
[01:18] <Daekdroom> so what packages do I need?
[01:18] <DBO> Daekdroom, how do you know its a kernel oops?
[01:18] <Daekdroom> dmesg says so
[01:19] <Daekdroom> command parser from the graphics driver
[01:19] <Daekdroom> not sure if mesa or DDX
[01:19] <DBO> are you running any PPA;s?
[01:19] <DBO> what GPU?
[01:19] <Daekdroom> Xorg-edgers
[01:19] <DBO> mothers maiden name?
[01:19] <Daekdroom> and HD5450
[01:20] <DBO> uhm
[01:20] <DBO> have you tried without xorg-edgers?
[01:20] <DBO> fglrx support in unity is solid now
[01:20] <DBO> and we recommend that for ATI users
[01:20] <Daekdroom> I hold a grudge on fglrxc
[02:01] <Th3Pr0ph3t> DBO, I'm the guy whose compiz crashes when clicking a combo or menu. I can reproduce the bug but an error report window does not appear anymore. What do I do?
[02:02] <DBO> uhhhh
[02:02] <DBO> I dont know...
[02:02] <DBO> kenvandine ^^
[02:02] <Th3Pr0ph3t> sudo apt-get install kenvandine? :P
[02:04] <DBO> hoping hes around...
[03:07] <Omega> Man-oh-man drag-to-top-to-maximise is glitchy for me
[03:08] <Omega> Like _really_ glitchy.
[03:09] <Omega> It freezed my system.
[03:09] <Omega> And just a minute ago the window decorations disappeared, and now it's causing the whole window to disappear
[03:11] <Daekdroom> I might actually move to fglrx.
[03:11] <Daekdroom> Xorg is freezing every 5 minutes.
[03:15] <Omega> Yeah, I had two today.
[03:18] <Omega> Something changed recenty and it's causing a lot of problems.
[08:49] <Saamm> I cannot find my installed wine apps in unity under any category but they appear in classic desktop. How to locate them?
[10:05] <zniavre> good morning
[10:05] <zniavre> how the start-here menu icon is colored please ?
[10:08] <zniavre> im a bit color-blind and blue is strange for me
[12:51] <smspillaz|z> Omega: its going to be fixed next upload
[12:52] <smspillaz|z> its an annoying bug that slipped into the pacakge, apologies for that
[13:55] <om26er> smspillaz|z, Hey! I restarted the session so I am not seeing this at the moment but I know I'll see it atleast once in the coming hour
[13:56] <om26er> ok I am seeing it now
[13:57] <smspillaz|z> om26er: xwininfo and click on the invisible window
[13:57] <smspillaz|z> then xwininfo -root -tree again
[13:57] <smspillaz|z> om26er: also is the invisible window alt-draggable
[13:57] <smspillaz|z> and does it happen when you open a window or close one?
[13:57] <smspillaz|z> also, how are you reproducing it
[13:59] <om26er> smspillaz|z, generally its really visible on terminal as cursor changes there, so when I just said i am seeing it after doing super+d its fixed
[13:59] <smspillaz|z> right, showdesktop will fix it
[13:59] <smspillaz|z> how are you reproducing it normally though
[13:59] <smspillaz|z> that's what I need to know
[14:00] <om26er> I think it happens when a dialog from a window appears
[14:00] <smspillaz> om26er: when it appears, or when you close it
[14:00] <smspillaz> ^ this is important
[14:00] <om26er> when it appears
[14:00] <smspillaz> and for what applications?
[14:00] <om26er> so when i try to close it i cannot
[14:00] <om26er> deluge, software-center
[14:00] <smspillaz> so
[14:00] <smspillaz> hang on
[14:00] <smspillaz> so when you open the dialog
[14:00] <smspillaz> it appears, right?
[14:00] <smspillaz> and then when you close it
[14:00] <om26er> yes
[14:00] <smspillaz> bam, invisible window
[14:01] <smspillaz> is that right?
[14:01] <om26er> yes
[14:01] <smspillaz> ok
[14:01] <smspillaz> simple testcase then
[14:01] <smspillaz> open gedit
[14:01] <smspillaz> ctrl-f
[14:01] <smspillaz> close it
[14:01] <smspillaz> do you get an invisible window ?
[14:01] <smspillaz> like
[14:01] <smspillaz> exactly where the dialog was?
[14:01] <smspillaz> and also
[14:01] <smspillaz> are you able to alt-drag
[14:01] <smspillaz> to move it out of the way
[14:02] <om26er> atm gedit is working fine
[14:02] <smspillaz> ok
[14:02] <smspillaz> so its
[14:02] <om26er> yes I have to alt+click to move the dialog and then click its buttons
[14:02] <smspillaz> deluge and software center
[14:02] <smspillaz> "then click its buttons" ?
[14:03] <smspillaz> so you can interact with the invisible window ?
[14:03] <smspillaz> and also alt-drag it ?
[14:03] <smspillaz> how exactly do you reproduce it with deluge
[14:03] <smspillaz> walk me through opening deluge to hitting the bug
[14:03] <om26er> i double click on a torrent and the dialog to add the torrent appears and its 'add' buttons is not click able
[14:04] <smspillaz> and then what
[14:05] <om26er> then I move the window to start the torrent, the problem is its not happening everytime
[14:05] <smspillaz> brilliant
[14:05] <smspillaz> so
[14:05] <smspillaz> at what point do you get an invisible window ?
[14:05] <smspillaz> like
[14:05] <smspillaz> its not quite clear from what you said
[14:06] <smspillaz> I just tried adding a torrent the way you said and I got no invisible window
[14:06] <om26er> i reproduced this in a dell mini and an aspire one, both in the same room ;)
[14:06] <smspillaz> yeah ok
[14:06] <smspillaz> I need exact instructions to reproduce
[14:07] <smspillaz> otherwise I can't fix it :)
[14:07] <om26er> if i get it next time xininfo of the window will be useful?
[14:07] <smspillaz> very
[14:07] <smspillaz> xwininfo of the invisible area
[14:07] <smspillaz> exact instructions of what you were doing
[14:07] <smspillaz> and xwininfo -root -tree
[14:08] <smspillaz> try to provoke it now
[14:08] <smspillaz> since I'm cutting into time I need to be spending doing assignments for university
[14:09] <om26er> smspillaz, i am testing unity atm on two netbooks and am waiting for it to happen. I'll paste info on the bug?
[14:09] <smspillaz> ok, ping me when it happens please
[14:09] <smspillaz> om26er: keep trying with deluge
[14:09] <smspillaz> also
[14:09] <smspillaz> there's an update coming on monday
[14:09] <smspillaz> that changes the tracking code
[14:10] <smspillaz> and that's known to have an effect on this bug
[14:10] <smspillaz> so maybe that will fix it
[14:10] <smspillaz> om26er: if you're ok with compiling some code yourself, maybe you can check this for me?
[14:10] <smspillaz> actually
[14:10] <smspillaz> what arch are you, I can give you debs
[14:10] <om26er> 32bit
[14:10] <smspillaz> sweet, hang on a minute then
[14:17] <om26er> om26er@AOA110:~$ xwininfo
[14:17] <om26er> xwininfo: Please select the window about which you
[14:17] <om26er>           would like information by clicking the
[14:17] <om26er>           mouse in that window.
[14:17] <om26er> xwininfo: Window id: 0xe03a4f (has no name)
[14:17] <om26er>   Absolute upper-left X:  187
[14:17] <om26er>   Absolute upper-left Y:  135
[14:17] <om26er>   Relative upper-left X:  187
[14:17] <om26er>   Relative upper-left Y:  135
[14:17] <om26er>   Width: 662
[14:17] <smspillaz> om26er: pastebin!
[14:17] <om26er>   Height: 382
[14:17] <om26er>   Depth: 0
[14:17] <om26er>   Visual: 0x21
[14:17] <om26er>   Visual Class: TrueColor
[14:17] <om26er>   Border width: 0
[14:17] <smspillaz> !!
[14:17] <om26er>   Class: InputOnly
[14:17] <om26er>   Colormap: 0x0 (not installed)
[14:17] <smspillaz> -________________--
[14:17] <om26er>   Bit Gravity State: ForgetGravity
[14:17] <om26er>   Window Gravity State: NorthWestGravity
[14:17] <om26er>   Backing Store State: NotUseful
[14:17] <om26er>   Save Under State: no
[14:17] <om26er>   Map State: IsViewable
[14:17] <om26er>   Override Redirect State: yes
[14:17] <om26er>   Corners:  +187+135  -175+135  -175-83  +187-83
[14:17] <om26er>   -geometry 662x382+187-83
[14:18] <om26er> smspillaz, ^^
[14:18] <om26er> oh
[14:18] <smspillaz> that's what pastebin is for ;-)
[14:18] <smspillaz> om26er: can you also pastebin your xwininfo -root -tree
[14:18] <smspillaz> and exact instructions to reproduce this
[14:20] <om26er> http://pastebin.com/Z7tZiSkb
[14:20] <om26er> http://pastebin.com/3A28UfCU
[14:20] <smspillaz> thanks
[14:20] <smspillaz> anything on reproducing it ?
[14:20] <om26er> this time the step was totally different, I just did super+d and was selecting area on the desktop to highlight and one part did not get the clicks
[14:21] <smspillaz> om26er: did you close a dialog before that ?
[14:21] <om26er> the about dialog of software center and then closed software center itself
[14:21] <om26er> and then super+d
[14:22] <smspillaz> doesn't do it for me
[14:22] <smspillaz> om26er: does it happen all the time ?
[14:23] <om26er> I could try to reproduce that, have to relogin to first remove the current window
[14:23] <smspillaz> om26er: you can just xkill it
[14:24] <smspillaz> actually
[14:24] <smspillaz> if compiz crashes while xkilling it
[14:24] <smspillaz> let me know
[14:24] <om26er> smspillaz, i have xkilled it three times and still its there
[14:25] <smspillaz> hang on
[14:25] <smspillaz> are you able to move rhythmbox
[14:25] <smspillaz> so that it is above this invisible window ?
[14:26] <om26er> smspillaz, the invisible window is still over rhythmbox
[14:26] <smspillaz> xwininfo -root -tree again ?
[14:27] <njpatel> om26er, also, xprop on the window?
[14:28] <om26er> smspillaz, http://pastebin.com/498EiXxv
[14:28] <om26er> njpatel, _NET_WM_ALLOWED_ACTIONS(ATOM) = _NET_WM_ACTION_ABOVE, _NET_WM_ACTION_BELOW
[14:28] <njpatel> that's it?
[14:28] <om26er> yes
[14:28] <njpatel> nice
[14:29] <smspillaz> its a straggling frame window then
[14:29] <smspillaz> let me see if dbarth applied my fix for this correctly
[14:30] <smspillaz> if the ICCCM wasn't such a broken manual on how to write applications for X we would never have these problems :/
[14:34] <njpatel> om26er, can you do pgrep compiz please?
[14:35] <smspillaz> njpatel:  ?
[14:35] <njpatel> smspillaz, just want to see how many are running. did david apply your patch correctly?
[14:36] <om26er> 6567
[14:36] <smspillaz> njpatel: looks like it is ok in trunk, not sure about the tarball
[14:36] <njpatel> thanks
[14:36] <smspillaz> I'm running a pure version of natty right now though
[14:36] <smspillaz> and can't reproduce this
[14:36] <njpatel> what were the instructions to reproduce
[14:36] <njpatel> ?
[14:36] <smspillaz> om26er: ^
[14:37] <om26er> random
[14:37] <om26er> but generally with dialogs from software center and eluge
[14:37] <om26er> *deluge
[14:39] <smspillaz> njpatel: are you able to get it at all ?
[14:39]  * smspillaz cant
[14:39] <smspillaz> and its driving me nuts
[14:40] <njpatel> No, I can't
[14:40] <smspillaz> om26er: and you can confirm this happens even with stock natty ?
[14:40] <smspillaz> like, fresh off the liveusb ?
[14:40] <smspillaz> that's what I'm running now
[14:40] <om26er> I will test it, also atm this is happening on the very same GPU netbooks
[14:40] <om26er> i will test on the nvidia system
[14:40] <smspillaz> om26er: it doesn't matter which gpu it is
[14:40] <om26er> ok
[14:40] <smspillaz> its a Compiz <-> X thing
[14:41] <smspillaz> I just need to know whether or not you can get it on stock natty
[14:41] <smspillaz> because I literally just reinstalled today
[14:41] <om26er> and in news the invisible area just increased
[14:41] <smspillaz> om26er: it should be the same size of the dialog you just closed
[14:42] <om26er> no I didn't close any dialogs now, and the area have increased
[14:42] <om26er> i cannot copy any part of your last message in xchat for example
[14:44] <njpatel> wtf
[14:46] <smspillaz> om26er: what makes it increase ?
[14:46] <om26er> smspillaz, switched between chromium and xchat
[14:46] <om26er> for a few times, was reading a message in facebook
[14:46] <smspillaz> and it happens every time you do that ?
[14:47] <om26er> no it happened once I guess
[14:47] <om26er> have not increased after that
[14:51] <smspillaz> om26er: I've really got to work on my assignments, otherwise I'm seriously going to fail my units
[14:51] <smspillaz> om26er: could you post up this discussion on the bug report so I can refer to it when I get time to ?
[14:52] <smspillaz> also
[14:52] <smspillaz> keep trying to reproduce this
[14:52] <smspillaz> and let me know what usually triggers it for you
[14:52] <om26er> smspillaz, study hard :) and I'll do
[14:52] <smspillaz> thanks
[14:52] <Omega> smspillaz: Thanks for letting me know that it's getting fixed
[14:52] <smspillaz> Omega: yes, it will be fixed in the next upload
[14:52] <smspillaz> (mental note: never ever ever ever ever ever ever use glScissor without knowing what you're doing)
[14:53] <Omega> There's anothing thing too, when windows are tiled (with Ctrl-Alt-numpad) it's not positioned correctly
[14:53] <smspillaz> works fine here
[14:53] <Omega> They don't fit right into eachother and sometimes a piece of the window gets lost under the screen
[14:54] <smspillaz> oh hang on
[14:54] <smspillaz> Omega: you mean that for when you eg, press ctrl-alt-4
[14:54] <smspillaz> then 4 again to make it smaller
[14:54] <Omega> Yeah
[14:54] <smspillaz> right ?
[14:54] <Omega> No, no
[14:54]  * smspillaz should just disable that, the code for that is crack
[14:55] <Omega> When I press ctrl-alt-4 the window doesn't use all the space it has
[14:55] <Omega> and sometimes a part of the window goes off screen
[14:55] <Omega> My terminal would lose 1 line sometimes (goes under screen)
[14:55] <smspillaz> which windows ?
[14:55] <Omega> For example my terminal
[14:55] <smspillaz> gnome-terminal ?
[14:55] <smspillaz> what resolution
[14:55] <Omega> Yeah
[14:55] <Omega> Or firefox
[14:56] <smspillaz> not seeing it dude
[14:56] <Omega> I'll screenshot it
[14:57] <smspillaz> what resolution are you running at ?
[14:57] <Omega> 1366 x 768
[14:58] <Omega> http://i.imgur.com/2jde5.png
[14:58] <Omega> (Both windows have been tiled)
[14:59] <smspillaz> Omega: right so for terminals
[14:59] <Omega> Firefox with ctrl-alt-4
[14:59] <smspillaz> Omega: you can't ever really position them super-accurately
[14:59] <smspillaz> because they have these size hints
[14:59] <Omega> and gnome-terminal with ctrl-alt-6
[14:59] <smspillaz> which are more likely than not to not line up with other things
[15:00] <smspillaz> so there's really not all that much I can do about it
[15:00] <Omega> Oh man, I maximised a window and everything froze ):
[15:01] <Omega> (I already reported this bug)
[15:01] <smspillaz> Omega: known bug in X
[15:01] <smspillaz> we're working around it in the next upload
[15:01] <Omega> Anyway I can recover from this?
[15:03] <Omega> (I'm in a TTY)
[15:03] <smspillaz> Omega: killall -9 compiz && unity --replace
[15:03] <smspillaz> erm
[15:03] <smspillaz> DISPLAY=:0 unity --replace
[15:04] <smspillaz> Omega: but yeah, for the terminals the reason why you get the overlap is the same reason they resize in "chunks"
[15:04] <smspillaz> I think gnome-terminal does it in increments of 5px
[15:04] <smspillaz> which is why this bug is more likely for you since you have an odd horizontal resolution
[15:05] <Omega> Hmm
[15:05] <smspillaz> well
[15:05] <Omega> But it should be happening for firefox
[15:05] <smspillaz> Omega: what's firefox next to
[15:06] <Omega> Firefox is next to gnome-terminal
[15:06] <kafeitu> update ubuntu 11.4-beta failure
[15:06] <smspillaz> like, if firefox is overlapping your $terminal then its probably the same bug
[15:06] <smspillaz> bingo
[15:06] <smspillaz> well
[15:06] <smspillaz> its not really a bug
[15:06] <Omega> Well, they shouldn't be overlapping
[15:06] <smspillaz> right
[15:06] <smspillaz> but the problem is that
[15:06] <Daekdroom> Well, gnome-terminal can't resize freely.
[15:06] <Daekdroom> One of them has to give :p
[15:06] <smspillaz> gnome-terminal's size hints make it so that it has to be slightly larger
[15:06] <smspillaz> Daekdroom++
[15:06] <Omega> But firefox can
[15:06] <smspillaz> right
[15:06] <Omega> I don't see why firefox is dependant on gnome-terminal
[15:06] <smspillaz> but the code only resizes windows relative to the screen not other windows
[15:07] <smspillaz> Omega: it's not dependent
[15:07] <smspillaz> Omega: firefox is resizing just fine
[15:07] <Omega> Firefox got cut off at the bottom
[15:07] <smspillaz> the problem is that gnome-terminal is a slightly odd size so it looks like firefox is wrong
[15:07] <smspillaz> Omega: screenshot ?
[15:07] <Omega> Yeah
[15:07] <Omega> It's in the screenshot
[15:07] <Omega> You just can't see it very well
[15:08] <Omega> I understand that gnome-terminal can't resize freely
[15:08] <smspillaz> Omega: what happens when you use a different screen res?
[15:08] <Omega> Haven't tried
[15:08] <smspillaz> try it
[15:08] <Omega> (I haven't changed my res manually, this is the default for me)
[15:10] <smspillaz> Omega: try changing it please
[15:11] <Omega> Alright, I'm back in my session
[15:11] <smspillaz> Omega: try changing it please
[15:11] <Omega> I can do that now
[15:11] <Omega> (I was in a TTY)
[15:11] <Omega> Yes.
[15:12] <Omega> With other screen resolutions I can't see my whole screen though.
[15:12] <Omega> My screen is 16:9
[15:13] <smspillaz> so ?
[15:13] <Omega> It's not all that uncommon.
[15:13] <smspillaz> how does that affect what you can and can't see
[15:13] <smspillaz> unless you have a weird monitor
[15:13] <smspillaz> Omega: also, just to be 1000% sure that firefox is actually being cut off at the bottom
[15:14] <smspillaz> see if you can reach the resize grip at the bottom
[15:14] <smspillaz> like, at the very bottom of the window
[15:14] <Omega> Yes! I can, so I guess it was tiling correctly.
[15:14] <Omega> I'm sorry for wasting your time.
[15:14] <smspillaz> no problem
[15:14] <Omega> But
[15:15] <smspillaz> yes ?
[15:15] <Omega> gnome-terminal should never go off screen
[15:15] <Omega> And that happens sometimes
[15:15] <Omega> (even if it can't resize freely)
[15:15] <smspillaz> Omega: right, but g-t is impossible to handle really
[15:15] <smspillaz> you tell it to do one thing and it does another
[15:15] <smspillaz> seriously, g-t is crack
[15:16] <Omega> Why don't they allow it to resize freely though?
[15:17] <smspillaz> because its a terminal
[15:17] <smspillaz> and terminals are crack like that
[15:17] <Daekdroom> Because you can either have extra space for a whole column or no extra space at all.
[15:17] <smspillaz> exactly
[15:17] <Omega> I understand that it uses lines, but it should put whitespace at the bottom.
[15:18] <smspillaz> file a bug with the terminal developers, though you won't get far since that's the expected behaviour
[15:19] <Omega> smspillaz: Wait, now I've tiled firefox and I can't resize it at the bottom.
[15:19] <smspillaz> I'll look into it some other day then
[15:19] <smspillaz> what screen res is it and what size is firefox
[15:20] <Omega> How do I easily find the window size?
[15:20] <smspillaz> xwininfo it
[15:20] <smspillaz> and please make sure you are *absolutely* sure you can't reach the bottom
[15:20] <Omega> This is a bit annoying, I've re-tiled it and now it works.
[15:21] <smspillaz> *sigh*
[15:21] <Omega> I made *absolutely* sure.
[15:21] <Omega> It did happen.
[15:21] <smspillaz> uh-huh
[15:22] <smspillaz> alright, next time it happens
[15:22] <smspillaz> xwininfo it
[15:22] <smspillaz> file bug
[15:22] <smspillaz> but I probably won't get on to it for a while
[15:22] <Omega> Alright, I see that you're annoyed at me, so thanks for your time.
[15:22] <smspillaz> I'm not annoyed
[15:22] <smspillaz> just mildly on edge in general :)
[15:22] <smspillaz> sorry for treating you badly, I apologize
[15:25] <Pavel2> hey, is there a way to disable scissoring in nux?
[15:26] <Pavel2> I am trying to nail https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/726033
[15:26] <Pavel2> and it would help me debugging
[15:28] <smspillaz> Pavel2: I belive the scissoring is done inside of the compiz unity plugin, though I'm pretty sure we just clear the entire scissoring region
[15:31] <Pavel2> yeah, but I think there is a bug with my graphics drivers, and stuff outside the scissoring reagion gets cleared
[15:32] <Pavel2> so I would like to disable scissoring, if its possible
[15:32] <Pavel2> i.e. if the rendering process does not rely on it
[15:32] <smspillaz> hm, ok, I'm not too well versed in nux, njpatel any ideas ?
[15:34]  * smspillaz -> going to go write this assignment
[15:48] <Omega> smspillaz: You said this bug is fixed correct? (Fix Commited) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/755199
[15:48] <Omega> May I mark it as such?
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Omega, the real question is: can you mark it as fixed?
[15:50] <Omega> Sure, why wouldn't I be able to?
[15:50] <Omega> (I'm the reporter)
[15:50] <Daekdroom> I thought only Unity maintainers could change bugs related to Unity..
[15:51] <Daekdroom> Not sure about that :P
[15:51] <Omega> The option isn't grayed out here.
[15:55] <smspillaz> Omega: its fixed committed but not fix released
[16:48] <smspillaz> morning DBO
[16:48] <DBO> morning
[16:49] <smspillaz> DBO: so I reinstalled natty
[16:49] <smspillaz> and was able to reproduce this damage issue
[16:49] <smspillaz> once
[16:49] <smspillaz> and that was it >.<
[16:50] <smspillaz> also, apparantly we've got some invisible windows again (omer's getting them) but njpatel and I weren't able to reproduce them and the tracking on CreateNotify stuff that will be pushed into the archive will hopefully fix that
[16:50] <smspillaz> so if you hit an invisible window let me know :)
[16:51] <DBO> never had that
[16:52] <smspillaz> yeah, neither
[16:52] <smspillaz> its weird
[16:52] <smspillaz> DBO: its the same one that we had a while ago where you close a gedit dialog box and then you can alt-drag the straggling frame window
[16:53] <smspillaz> but I don't get it with gedit anymore
[16:53] <smspillaz> so unless anyone else is testing that code path
[16:53] <DBO> OH
[16:54] <smspillaz> ... are you getting it?
[16:54] <DBO> I once saw the grab handles remain
[16:54] <smspillaz> (please say no, otherwise my face will explode)
[16:54] <smspillaz> yeah, grab handles != this
[16:54] <smspillaz> DBO: when I say "frame window"
[16:54] <DBO> okay
[16:54] <smspillaz> I mean like an invisible window
[16:54] <DBO> well I dont know if the grab handles get reparented
[16:54] <smspillaz> they don't
[16:54] <DBO> I mean the windows they pop
[16:54] <DBO> okay
[16:54] <htorque_> smspillaz: sorry, i failed at testing intel yesterday, i do get those damage issues with intel too
[16:54] <smspillaz> ah ok
[16:55] <smspillaz> DBO: htorque_: IMO, we should disable the fade in / out in menus for now
[16:55] <smspillaz> since damage issues are usually quite difficult to debug
[18:16] <htorque> smspillaz, just to confirm: i'm not getting any of those artifacts when i disable the fade effect on close animations (not sure if fade-in is a problem)
[18:25] <smspillaz> htorque: right, we thought it might have been that
[18:25] <smspillaz> htorque: which applications are the most prone to getting this btw
[18:25] <smspillaz> (going to sleep, but leave a message, I idle here)
[19:24] <htorque> smspillaz|z, opera (bookmark menus), libreoffice (menus), the context menu of the unity decorator (using 'always on top' a lot), the context menu in xchat, and i've also seen it in kile and kate (again, context menus)
[19:39] <zniavre_> htorque,  i have this kind of behavior too
[19:42] <htorque> zniavre_, you can subscribe to bug 754609 and/or bug 753369
[19:43] <htorque> zniavre_, or just open ccsm, go to the animations plugin, the close animation tab, double click on the list entry containing 'Fade' and set the close effect to 'None'
[19:45] <zniavre_> yep i did that too it was an old compiz bug but i remember that 'workaround'
[19:46] <zniavre_> i thought it was nouveau driver related
[19:47] <htorque> nope, getting the same on intel too
[20:18] <joh> Hi, are there any API reference docs for Unity Lenses? Something more detailed than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses
[20:43] <joh> To be more specific, I'm wondering how UnityDefaultRenderer opens the uri in the results model.


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[08:58] <bazhang> Thats gonna work!
[08:59] <bazhang> @random twerk HURD
[08:59] <bazhang> ikr
[15:56] <teward> ops are needed in #ubuntu - Bremmyfag is making noise and obsceneties
[16:01] <tonyyarusso> teward: Sure it's #ubuntu?  I don't see anything.
[16:02] <teward> tonyyarusso: went silent, but 11:53 was the incidents (my time, UTC-4)
[16:02] <teward> [2015-06-25 11:53:21] <Bremmyfag> THAT FAGGOTFUCK METALEER IS BACK ON FREENODE ITS BOTCHLAB
[16:02] <teward> and again at here:
[16:02] <teward> [2015-06-25 11:54:47] <Bremmyfag> THAT FAGGOTFUCK METALEER IS BACK ON FREENODE ITS BOTCHLAB!!!!
[16:02] <teward> and yes i know copypasting spam is bad
[16:02] <teward> don't smack me plz :)
[16:02] <tonyyarusso> ohhh, there they are - I'm blind.
[16:02] <teward> observed: [2015-06-25 12:01:12] * Bremmyfag is now known as FUBotchlaB
[16:03] <teward> (from #freenode)
[16:03] <teward> tonyyarusso: happens to the best of us, but yes they're still there.  nick changed but still present
[16:03] <teward> not doing anything probably because other reasons, but eh
[16:04] <teward> 'course, #freenode is an interesting read right now with them xD
[16:05] <tonyyarusso> Removed and added to hilight so I'll notice if it reoccurs
[16:06] <teward> tonyyarusso: thanks!


 Always good to look good, always made a difference for me when interviewing! Back to work after sending kiddos back to school today \o/
[08:02] <brobostigon> :) \o/
[08:05] <foobarry> shave every face hair :)
[08:05] <foobarry> unless it makes you look 3 yrs old
[08:06]  * brobostigon has a fairly well groomed full moustache, i aint shaving that off.
[08:07] <diplo> Defo wouldn't pass the interview with a moustache!
[08:07] <diplo> :P
[08:08] <brobostigon> :(
[08:12] <diplo> What times the interview brobostigon ? And what work/role?
[08:14] <brobostigon> diplo: 11am, electronics, retail.
[08:14] <diplo> Well good luck, retail :( but hope it all goes well mate!
[08:15] <brobostigon> :)
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed you get the position
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> and agree about retail... my first job was in retail... i could have endured it if it weren't for the customers...
[10:24] <MooDoo> howdy all
[11:53] <ali1234> how do i install skype on ubuntu these days?
[11:55] <ali1234> get the weird deb from skype.com?
[11:56] <MooDoo> https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/ yes it's a deb
[11:56] <ali1234> does this version support desktop sharing?
[11:57] <MooDoo> not sure without looking at the pag
[11:57] <MooDoo> page
[11:58] <MooDoo> doesn't mention it, so not sure
[11:58] <davmor2> hey MooDoo
[11:58] <ali1234> 4.3 (the old one) kind of supports it but the picture always comes out messed up and unreadable
[11:59] <MooDoo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/930004/how-can-i-share-my-screen-with-skype-for-linux-5-3   don't think 5.3 supports it
[11:59] <ali1234> i dont want to share my screen, i want to see other peoples - they're using windows
[11:59] <ali1234> i note it says "outgoing"
[11:59] <ali1234> probably an issue with screenscraping X
[12:52] <diplo> I believe it sort of works ali1234 - I'm running it I think now, I can test with a colleague for you
[12:54] <diplo> I think they've removed it, sure I saw it there before
[12:56] <diplo> Ah, I remember now, I can view a shared screen, can't share mine
[13:01] <ali1234> that's exactly what i need
[13:16] <ali1234> seen on slashdot comments: "Elon is going to end up like Howard Hughes."
[13:16] <ali1234> sounds about right...
[13:40] <diddledan> speaking of elon musk. I've got a copy of alien covenant to watch
[13:40] <diddledan> (peter weyland was totally modelled on elon, or vicky verky)
[13:41] <diddledan> ref: https://vimeo.com/50383392
[13:42] <ali1234> skype screen share was a total fail. worked for about 5 seconds, then turned into a blocky mess, then froze completely :(
[13:42] <ali1234> luckily the firmware updater was just a big "UPDATE" button, nothing complicated
[13:43] <MooDoo> Big red Button :)
[13:43] <diddledan> OF DOOM
[13:48] <ali1234> wait is that guy pierce?
[13:48] <ali1234> *pearce
[13:49] <ali1234> i had no idea he was in those movies
[15:28] <diplo> How did your interview go brobostigon  ???
[15:30] <brobostigon> diplo: i think nominally well,
[15:31] <diplo> Good to hear, good luck!
[15:31] <brobostigon> fingers and toes crossed.
[16:05]  * diddledan offers good luck hugs
[16:05] <diddledan> any excuse for a hug, really
[16:06] <brobostigon> :)
[16:09] <davmor2> hmmmm popey if you want to freak your kids out, go down aldi get the speaker/led light bulbs replace their lightbulbs and let the fun comence :D
[16:09] <davmor2> not that I'm evil or anything
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: oh not in stock till Thursday :D
[16:29] <diddledan> interesting developments at konversation: https://blogs.kde.org/2017/09/05/konversation-2x-2018-new-user-interface-matrix-support-mobile-version
[16:33] <diddledan> eesh, I've had to turn the lights on already
[16:33] <diddledan> where did summer go?!
[16:34] <diddledan> davmor2: even better would be speaker+led+smart
[16:34] <diddledan> make the lights flicker
[16:34] <diddledan> and ghostly wails
[16:35] <diddledan> this is fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKj4Avjmuo
[16:51] <davmor2> diddledan: well plasma-mobile is still a thing so it would be for that I guess :)
[20:19] <marshmn> I never knew that there is a ##baseball channel on Freenode
[20:19] <daftykins> o rry
[20:19] <daftykins> i tend to just watch it with folk i chat to anyway
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> baseball on irc... oh for the good old days of cricket on teletext? :-P
[20:27] <daftykins> i uncovered a Dell PII at a clients today, i was asked to go around all the storage areas and turf out any old gear
[20:28] <daftykins> used to use it as a smoothwall router
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> you could use the case for a rasp pi cluster... :-)
[20:29] <diddledan> omg, snotwall is a name I've not heard in a long time!
[20:29] <diddledan> are they even still going?!
[20:29]  * diddledan googlies
[20:29] <zmoylan-pi> so old, even i've heard of it :-P
[20:30] <daftykins> might be, not sure about as a free product
[20:30] <daftykins> last release 2014
[20:30] <diddledan> oh god, they've gone corporate
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmoothWall
[20:32] <m0nkey_> diddledan: do I buy this? https://store.netgate.com/SG-3100.aspx
[20:33] <daftykins> preorder o0
[20:33] <diddledan> wtf is mikrobus?
[20:34] <m0nkey_> daftykins: yes, it's a pre-order.
[20:34] <m0nkey_> Coming out in October
[20:35] <daftykins> i wouldn't fancy getting in on something early
[20:35] <m0nkey_> diddledan: seems to be some kind of addon thing. like bluetooth, nfc all that crap. probably never use it.
[20:39] <m0nkey_> I've been following this for a long time. It pushes GbE speeds without breaking a sweat.
[20:39] <diddledan> looks quite decent
[20:39] <diddledan> I like the fact you can add storage via m.2
[20:40] <m0nkey_> That is handy. Plus drop in a LTE modem for backup :)
[20:42] <daftykins> pssh maybe if you can get a decent low rate plan
[20:42] <m0nkey_> Doubtful in Canada lol
[20:45] <diddledan> so smoothwall are currently running linux 3.16
[20:45] <diddledan> from their forum: "linux 3.16 was released during August 2014, thus Update8/SP3 may not support the latest hardware"
[20:46] <daftykins> heh
[20:46] <diddledan> no poo, sherlock!
[20:46] <daftykins> 'cause you're totally buying a ryzen box for a router
[20:46] <daftykins> ;D
[20:46] <diddledan> well, I was thinking about it
[20:46] <diddledan> :-p
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> it's new, it's shiny...
[20:49] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i played with the nokia 3310 2017 edition today!
[20:49] <daftykins> no SIM though so couldn't see much
[20:49] <diddledan> have you seen the size of those threadripper packages?!
[20:49] <zmoylan-pi> since i found it has a link to opera app store i'm gonna have to look, but i now realise there's at least 2 different versions.  different in size when you see them together...
[20:50] <diddledan> about twice the surface area of an i9: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fr1ZlUu8v_Q/maxresdefault.jpg
[20:50] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah, but then there's a layout of 2 x 2 and only 2 are real silicon! it's a faaaaaake! </DS9>
[20:51] <diddledan> o_O
[20:51] <daftykins> y'seen that?
[20:51] <daftykins> not DS9, the 2 x 2 layout
[20:52] <daftykins> http://cdn.overclock.net/c/c0/500x1000px-LL-c08df673_article-630x354.90c8d2d6.jpeg
[20:52] <diddledan> so they've put four on the package but only two light up?
[20:53] <daftykins> nah two are just dumb silicon i think that's just meant for contact
[20:53] <daftykins> but it suggested that maybe they could put 4 real ones on the single package, mmm
[20:53] <daftykins> assuming there's actually enough pins and gubbins for all that
[20:53] <diddledan> I'm not understanding the "dumb silicon" bit
[20:53] <daftykins> so not an actual fabbed chip but just a piece of metal
[20:54] <diddledan> why not just leave it off entirely though?
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> different nokias on sale... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/905172242191015937
[20:56] <daftykins> think it has some kind of cooling benefit, i forget - maybe it was just that it helps spread the pressure evenly
[20:56] <daftykins> i've no idea where i read that now
[20:56] <diddledan> of course, then you get the photoshops: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/11636/dbwthwoxkaeehmw-1.jpg.324b24f4c47236d1eaf463abf6ad95a3.jpg
[20:56] <diddledan> I can tell that's shopped because of the pixies
[20:57] <daftykins> i wonder if it's easy to tell if you've tightened the three screws of the socket enough :>
[20:57] <diddledan> I think you've probably got a point about the potential for replacing the dead bits with live chips tho
[20:58] <diddledan> futureproof the design upfront save inventing a new socket when you light up the dead zones
[20:58] <diddledan> perhaps it has pressure sensors inside the package
[20:59] <diddledan> :-p
[20:59] <daftykins> ooh hey this looks relevant - https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_clarifies_why_threadripper_uses_4_silicon_dies/1
[20:59] <diddledan> why would you drop a grand on a chip like that and destroy it straight away?!
[21:00] <diddledan> that der8auer must have money up the wazoo to cope with dropping that loss
[21:01] <daftykins> heh delidding is common to get some proper cooling on there, obviously some crazy overclocker
[21:01] <daftykins> there are scare stories of high end cooling solutions causing IHS' to pop and destroy everything
[21:04] <diddledan> wat: "Analysts at Kerrisdale Capital Investments have predicted that AMD will file for bankruptcy in 2020"
[21:04] <diddledan> oh, that article is two years old
[21:04] <diddledan> even more wat then :-p
[21:05] <daftykins> heh
[21:05] <diddledan> analysts are a strange bunch trying to justify their existence by inventing random crud
[21:06] <daftykins> did y'see intel have been scared enough to bump the new generation i7 to be a 6 core, 12 thread instead of stay 4/8 ?
[21:06] <diddledan> I hadn't
[21:06] <daftykins> coffee lake iirc
[21:06] <diddledan> doesn't surprise me - amd really upped their game
[21:07] <daftykins> mm, still trailing in a lot of ways i felt though (from benchmark glancing)
[21:07] <daftykins> i can't really claim to do multithreaded stuff for AMD to apply to me
[21:07] <diddledan> I wonder what they're like for compiling
[21:07]  * diddledan unwraps a gentoo :-p
[21:07] <daftykins> put that penguin down!
[23:07] <diddledan> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-warzone-2100/2001