[02:15] <bob2> help-me: read the page I gave you again
[02:15] <sleon|tuX> bob2, i become that: root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # Mar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: udf: registering filesystem
[02:15] <sleon|tuX> Mar  6 14:15:38 localhost kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, only after i MANUALLY MOUNTED IT AS ROOT
[02:16] <bob2> please don't use caps
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, before it i have had not messages in /var/log/messages
[02:16] <bob2> it's the IRC equivalent of screaming
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, sorry
[02:16] <Echylo> lol
[02:16] <bob2> njan: right
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, i wanted only to make it bold
[02:16] <Echylo> ctrl + b
[02:16] <Echylo> bold
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> bob2, so you not overread it
[02:16] <sleon|tuX> Echylo, thx
[02:17] <Echylo> manually mounted it as root
[02:17] <bob2> njan: otoh, people who spend stupid amounts of time helping people in there get worn down by person after person who doesn't read the FAQ and confuses brevity with abuse
[02:17] <zenwhen> this works for bold
[02:17] <bob2> sleon|tuX: no, you do not need to do that, ever
[02:17] <njan> sleon|tuX, *text* is what I usually use to denote bold. /text/ italicising. Most office suites understand that syntax, and it looks quite obvious..
[02:17] <help-me> bob2,  i'm downloading them over synaptic package manager
[02:17] <bob2> help-me: cool
[02:17] <sleon|tuX> bob2, so any suggestions?
[02:17] <help-me> let's see if that works
[02:17] <help-me> cheers
[02:17] <bob2> sleon|tuX: what kernel is it?
[02:17] <daniels> (as an aside, people who are going to overlook stuff will overlook it anyway, and bold/caps/whatever will just make them more determined to do so.  people who aren't going to, won't.)
[02:18] <njan> bob2, Yup. I work in IT, I understand that :).. it varies from case to case. There's a lot of arrogance that goes along with it in certain intsances as well - especially where ideological bludgeoning is involved (the example I used earlier was the usage of the word 'stable')
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> bob2, root@marjan:/etc/dbus-1/event.d # uname -a
[02:18] <bob2> exactly
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> Linux marjan <IP_ADDRESS>-4-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:40:53 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:18] <sleon|tuX> bob2, what should have been activated in kernel that it work??
[02:18] <bob2> sleon|tuX: I don't know, sorry
[02:18] <bob2> try asking on the list
[02:19] <sleon|tuX> ok thx
[02:19] <zenwhen> hey bob2, do you run hoary?
[02:19] <bob2> njan: well, the stable thing is in the faq, too ;)
[02:19] <Echylo> damn
[02:19] <Echylo> gaim crashed
[02:19] <bob2> njan: and people usually only get rude on that topic when someone comes in with a stupid comment like "OMG WOODY HAS APACHE 1.2.9??? HOW OLD"
[02:19] <bob2> but I do see your point
[02:19] <bob2> and do agree the ubuntu community is a big advantage
[02:20] <sleon|tuX> :(
[02:20] <johnnybezak> ubuntu community *makes* ubuntu
[02:20] <njan> bob2, True, but being in the FAQ doesn't give someone the right to alter the definition of a word in the english language. I've used the word 'stable' in the english language context in more than one instance in #debian where there's been a response from a community member who obviously hadn't read what I'd written and bludgeoned me because they misunderstood what they did read because they assumed something about my usage of the word :)
[02:20] <bob2> but I'd hate to see it turn into a lazy community where people expect they can just bother other people for help without reading the FAQ or whatever
[02:20] <Echylo> if some people would check www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:20] <njan> johnnybezak, bob2, definitely. The ubuntu community rocks.
[02:20] <Echylo> it's a great place
[02:20] <njan> bob2, Also agreed. The balance is a hard one to find :)
[02:20] <Echylo> and you find the most common problems there
[02:20] <njan> because .. because .. because.. I need a thesaurus..
[02:21] <bob2> njan: #debian has the problem of being under constant assault from clueless people who get abusive when told to read documentation
[02:21] <wheelbarr> im i in the right channel for help with ubuntu hoary ?
[02:21] <bob2> so most of the regulars are bitter and annoyed
[02:21] <bob2> zenwhen: yes
[02:21] <bob2> which is a shame, since probably the most active 10 people in there do 90%+ of the support
[02:21] <njan> bob2, #debian needs to lease the alt.gothic special forces ;)
[02:21] <zenwhen> does the current pango seem a bit slow to anyone?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> wheelbarr: yes
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> how does dbus-1 on top of hal works?
[02:21] <daniels> wheelbarr: yeah
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> does does it need to automatically mount media?
[02:21] <sleon|tuX> what does it *
[02:21] <wheelbarr> just ask away ?
[02:22] <daniels> sleon|tuX: er, no -- hal runs on top of dbus-1 (it's a service that listens on dbus for events)
[02:22] <johnnybezak> sleon|tuX: you don't want to know hehe
[02:22] <daniels> wheelbarr: you got it
[02:22] <sleon|tuX> :)
[02:22] <bob2> daniels: sleeeeeeeeeep
[02:22] <njan> bob2, indeed. It has to be noted, though, debian has one of the best communities of all the distros. Many smaller distros have channels that don't even have anyone alive in them.. imo, only gentoo matched debian before ubuntu came along
[02:22] <wheelbarr> I'm trying to boot from the hoary live CD on a toshiba 2210CDT and all I get is the mouse, works fine, but nothing else. Checked the web site and the 2210CDT is said to work fine. Is this the right channel for this
[02:22] <wheelbarr> ?
[02:22] <help-me> hey bob2 what were the software you said i needed ? i forgotto write it down
[02:22] <help-me> :)
[02:22] <daniels> sleon|tuX: err ... hal runs on top of dbus-1, and sends events out saying 'hey, someone threw a usb thumbdrive in', and then gnome-volume-manager or similar does the actual mounting
[02:22] <bob2> njan: hm, I found the gentoo irc channel to be terribile
[02:22] <njan> bob2, I've used debian for a fairly long time (a really long time, thinking about it), and that's mostly why
[02:22] <njan> bob2, howcome? (Interested)
[02:22] <bob2> njan: the clueless leading the clueless in a lot of cases
[02:22] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: yeah the right place hehe
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> daniels, then the problem is that hal isn't running
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> at all
[02:23] <thoreauputic> njan: #debian is OK for the thick skinned or those who lurk for a while before asking ;-)
[02:23] <daniels> wheelbarr: what do you mean 'but nothing else'?  is the screen dead?  keyboard?
[02:23] <help-me> gxine?
[02:23] <daniels> sleon|tuX: have you looked at the output of ps auxww?
[02:23] <njan> bob2, that's started happening a lot more recently, but you're right; that's the disadvantage of having a 'trendy' distribution.
[02:23] <help-me> and what else?
[02:23] <wheelbarr> comes up with the splash screen to load stuff then goes blank with only the mouse working
[02:23] <sleon|tuX> daniels, moment
[02:23] <daniels> sleon|tuX: there are some bugs in g-v-m and hal lately with this osrt of thing
[02:23] <njan> bob2, if you get the right people, there are a lot of knowledgable people in there, esp. if you have a query which is well explained; the clueless tend to shy away from properly worded technical queries.
[02:23] <bob2> njan: which is something that hits ubuntu, too, but I'm not really sure what to do about. e
[02:24] <njan> bob2, careful monitoring and supervision :)
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> root@marjan:/home/marjan/Desktop # ps auxww|grep hald
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> root      5592  0.0  0.2  3348  732 pts/1    S+   14:24   0:00 grep hald
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> dand,
[02:24] <wheelbarr> CDrom keeps buzzing away
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> daniels,
[02:24] <bob2> njan: except to have a good quality library of documentation that people are encouraged to read
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> daniels, no it is not running but the dbus does
[02:24] <sleon|tuX> and hald is installed
[02:24] <njan> bob2, unless you want to start +ving competant community members to denote expertise, the only thing you can do is watch and ensure.
[02:24] <bob2> njan: the #ubuntu group of clueful regulars isn't quite big enough yet, afaict
[02:24] <njan> bob2, It's getting there.. it's bigger than when I started using ubuntu, ~2 months ago..
[02:24] <daniels> sleon|tuX: ok, then hal is broken.  cool.
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> cooool
[02:25] <daniels> but I need to sleep now
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> :)
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> daniels, but , the gnome-volume-manager
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> should is also be running?
[02:25] <bob2> njan: yeah
[02:25] <njan> bob2, unfortunately, I think freenode are fairly anti-large numbers of +o and +v in channels..
[02:25] <sleon|tuX> ii see it is
[02:25] <bob2> njan: I don't think that really helps, since it centralises it too much
[02:26] <njan> bob2, I know they were when I ran an active channel on here, but then, freenode didn't really like the channel
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> gnome-volume-manager exits when hal is not running
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> ok
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> so i need to start the freakin hal manually
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> then gnome-volume-manager
[02:26] <njan> bob2, possibly not a bad thing; communities need a focal point :)
[02:26] <sleon|tuX> lets see if it will work
[02:26] <bob2> njan: I'm pretyy convinced having a lot of good quality written docs are a solution...people can get pointed at them, and the clueful will read them and become more clueful (and helpful)
[02:26] <bob2> njan: hah, perhaps
[02:27] <johnnybezak> bob2: i agree docs are the key
[02:27] <njan> bob2, definitely. Documentation is a big plus point, but you can have the best docs in the world and still have a nasty IRC channel if you're not careful :)
[02:27] <bob2> hah, indeed
[02:27] <njan> bob2, tbh, msdn.microsoft.com has some cracking documentation, but #windows is dead as a doornail.
[02:27] <njan> bob2, there are no good windows or microsoft-related IRC channels which I've ever managed to find, ever. There are some great mailing lists, but that's just not the same.
[02:27] <nasdaq> but windows is all we will ever need
[02:28] <bob2> njan: heh, yeah, windows seems to be lacking a irc support culture...Ithink part of it is the huge schism between "developes" and "users"
[02:28] <factotum> buenos tardes
[02:28] <factotum> lol
[02:28] <wheelbarr> The Warty Warthog worked fine, just had to change the screen res at boot. It did ask if I wanted to creat a swap file which I did, but hoary doesnt prompt me to make a swap file. Checked the help and couldnt find anything on that.
[02:28] <factotum> anyone try to apt-get gftp and run into a dep problem?
[02:28] <njan> bob2, possibly - at a high level though, there's actually quite a good commmunity of *proper* windows administrators, people who've actually bothered to learn the technology they're using before getting their MSCE
[02:29] <zenwhen> bob2, your abrasive nature was what originally prompted me to start looking elsewhere for help. I suppose the fact that I felt i was goig to be "flamed" each time I asked for help pushed me to find written documentation.
[02:29] <njan> bob2, as far as desktop users are concerned, you're spot on; but in the SME/Enterprise/Corporate marketplace, there are a lot of really clever people who really know MS technology.
[02:29] <bob2> zenwhen: I'm sorry I came across like that.
[02:29] <bob2> njan: hm, right
[02:29] <Welly> Hi all, I've built a panel applet, mail notification, and it's been build and all that, however I'm unsure how to add it to the panel
[02:29] <njan> bob2, http://www.activedir.org/ <= that mailing list in particular is a good starting point if you're interested in knowing your enemy ;)
[02:29] <bob2> I have basically no experience with that side of things.
[02:30] <njan> bob2, I do ;)
[02:30] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: heh, bob2 isn't abrasive: try lurking in #debian for a while and see what I mean ;-)
[02:30] <njan> bob2, I work with a *lot* of MS technology in my day job.. and all from ubuntu :p
[02:30] <factotum> #debian can be a nightmare
[02:30] <thoreauputic> indeed
[02:30] <zenwhen> Hoary is really frigging choppy for me right now. Upgrading to hoary has made my 3Ghz P4 system with a GB of ram feel like a 486 chugginging along.
[02:30] <factotum> its hard to hear when their up on their high-horse  :)
[02:31] <njan> zenwhen, yup. I moved from hoary => warty partly for that reason
[02:31] <zenwhen> thoreauputic, I dont go into #debian. Those people need to get laid. BADLY. They are bitter about everything.
[02:31] <njan> zenrox, and I'm a 2.2GHz p4 with 1.3gb ram
[02:31] <njan> s/zenrox/zenwhen/
[02:31] <wheelbarr> so hoary is memory hungry ?>
[02:31] <johnnybezak> it's not possible to run 2 apache servers (for the web) on the same ip is it?
[02:31] <zenwhen> I like all the new stuff in hoary
[02:31] <zenwhen> but pango seems really slow
[02:31] <thoreauputic> I used to be something of a regular in #debian, but I got really tired of the sophomoric arrogance of many in there...
[02:31] <njan> wheelbarr, no clue. But 'choppy' is a good description of it at times :)
[02:32] <njan> thoreauputic, sophomoric in what sense?
[02:32] <zenwhen> things just render slowly
[02:32] <zenwhen> firefox scrolls choppily.
[02:32] <arun--> /usr/sbin/synaptic: relocation error: /usr/sbin/synaptic: undefined symbol: _ZN10pkgAcquire3RunEi    what does this mean?
[02:32] <factotum> yeah, lurking and just saying rtfm or google doesnt help anyone
[02:32] <bob2> hm, the last time zenwhen was in #debian was two months ago, and he/she got no answer, really
[02:32] <thoreauputic> njan: people who imagine they are expert, and have ego problems - maybe sophomoric is the wrong term
[02:32] <wheelbarr> is there a menu option at boot up to creat a swap file or can it be done manually ?
[02:32] <bob2> arun--: most likely that you compiled something from source
[02:33] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: there is a good how to for this on the front page of linux.com atm
[02:33] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic would be a good descriptor, I thought you might have been aiming for that, which is why I asked :)
[02:33] <arun--> bob2: it is a fresh install :) from array 4 cd i guess
[02:33] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic as in sophism..
[02:33] <factotum> wheelbarr: it can be done manualy, at least with ext3, but im not sure how
[02:33] <zenwhen> bob2, oh sure.. i did get an answer. But i was speaking of the general attitude in there.
[02:33] <arun--> bob2: i havent compiled anything, i havent installed gcc
[02:33] <wheelbarr> johnnybezak: thanks ill check it out
[02:33] <bob2> arun--: that's very odd then
[02:33] <johnnybezak> wheelbarr: np
[02:33] <thoreauputic> njan: in the sense pretentious; inflated in style or manner; as,   sophomoric affectation. [U. S.]
[02:34] <nasdaq> what do you mean zenwhen?
[02:34] <wheelbarr> factotum: warty gave you the option at boot time to add swap
[02:34] <zenwhen> Helpful or not, stuck up arrogant people suck.
[02:34] <wheelbarr> thought hoary would also
[02:34] <thoreauputic> njan: from 'dict"
[02:34] <nasdaq> you mean many people in here is not helpfull?
[02:34] <factotum> wheelbarr: it doesn't?
[02:34] <njan> thoreauputic, it's a word I've never seen used before, but I'm guessing it has roots in the US school system, so I'm not surprised ;)
[02:34] <factotum> wow
[02:34] <wheelbarr> factotum: couldnt find it
[02:34] <arun--> ok i will try to reinstall again
[02:34] <factotum> hmmm thats...wierd
[02:34] <njan> thoreauputic, sophistic has a similar meaning but is about 1500 years older :-D
[02:35] <zenwhen> no no, #debian is helpful if oyu cna get past the people tripping over eachother to be the first to be rude to you.
[02:35] <zenwhen> thats all i have to say about it
[02:35] <Welly> I've found this channel to be the most useful irc channel I've found.. every other channel i've used just seems to be an outlet for people to feel superior to everyone else
[02:35] <Tycho_Atreides> hey, i dont know crap about linux and have a dilemma, can you guys help me out?
[02:35] <njan> zenwhen, I take your point, but they aren't all like that.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> njan: here we might say "undergraduate" (which in itself is kind of a sophomoric term)
[02:35] <njan> Tycho_Atreides, ask away, someone'll help if they can :)
[02:35] <factotum> I always have fun in #slackware, but this channel is quite good as well
[02:35] <njan> thoreauputic, yeah.. I think I was aware that a sophmore vaguely compared to that in the UK..
[02:36] <njan> thoreauputic, the US school system just confuses me, though :p
[02:36] <Tycho_Atreides> im trying to install nvidia drivers, but it tells me "You appear to be running Xserver; please exit X before installing"
[02:36] <Tycho_Atreides> how do i exit X
[02:36] <Welly> i was asking for help on some SQL in #sql on efnet I think.. christ! properly up their own arse
[02:36] <factotum> njan: i think that is what it is there for, to confuse
[02:36] <wheelbarr> I find #bash is a channel that lives by its name
[02:36] <factotum> i wake up everyday and feel the national iq dropping
[02:36] <njan> Tycho_Atreides, switch to a console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login, and sudo killall gdm and sudo killall X should do it
[02:36] <snowblink> Tycho_Atreides: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:37] <njan> factotum, lol
[02:37] <lukesk> how can i get some assitance with some ubuntu problems?
[02:37] <johnnybezak> ask here lukesk
[02:37] <factotum> im not saying im immune either, but when i start feeling it, i get worried
[02:37] <lukesk> i did.. but apparently i asked about it the wrong way
[02:37] <njan> lukesk, just ask your question
[02:37] <Tycho_Atreides> snowblink: thanks, worked :)
[02:38] <johnnybezak> lukesk: we just probably didn't know an answer hehe
[02:38] <sleon|tuX> daniels, the script /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal is not working
[02:38] <wozischra> .
[02:38] <njan> bbiaf
[02:38] <wozischra_> .
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> daniels, when you do  /etc/dbus-1/event.d/hal start it says
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> * Starting Hardware abstraction layer...                                [ ok ]
[02:39] <sleon|tuX> but no damon was tarted
[02:39] <lukesk> a friend help me setup 2 x 129GB hdd's on an IT8212 PCI card, it worked for a while, now the drives wont mount. How can i fix this?
[02:39] <factotum> must have tarted daemons!
[02:39] <johnnybezak> lol
[02:39] <factotum> heh
[02:40] <johnnybezak> lukesk: what error do you get?
[02:40] <nanomad> any1 knows if xawtv works with hoary/xorg ?
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, i know
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, i know
[02:40] <lukesk> well, error where? from the syslog or when i try mount them?
[02:40] <factotum> no biggie, just thought it was funny
[02:40] <wheelbarr> Im aware of how to make a swap partiton, but can it be done at boot time with the hoary live CD ?
[02:40] <sleon|tuX> factotum, but dbus fires up that script and this script says ok but does nothing
[02:40] <johnnybezak> lukesk: when you try and mount them
[02:40] <factotum> that is odd...
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> this lazy fagg :D
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> but i fix it manually
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> i write simply my own hal script
[02:41] <sleon|tuX> thats all
[02:41] <vince_> join #eiffel
[02:41] <lukesk> i get this "mount: /dev/hdg1 already mounted or /mnt/test/ busy"
[02:43] <johnnybezak> well im off to bed guys night
[02:43] <johnnybezak> lukesk: sorry i couldnt help
[02:43] <lukesk> lol, thats ok
[02:44] <lukesk> anyone else know how to troubleshoot drives that wont mount?
[02:47] <rattboi> hi
[02:47] <rattboi> I was wondering if anyone could help me w/ setting up the fglrx drivers?
[02:48] <rattboi> I'm running hoary, and I followed this guide to convert the ATI website RPM to a deb, and I installed it
[02:48] <rattboi> and running "lsmod | grep gl" shows that fglrx module is loaded
[02:49] <rattboi> but I still have no hw accel in 3d stuff
[02:51] <Lupius> How to record a CD in Ubuntu? I get some funky error in the console cdrecord , and im new to GNOME
[02:51] <cooldude127> i just setup ubuntu on my ibook ppc. how can i add the debian unstable ppc sources to my ubuntu? i need an updated version of ruby
[02:57] <tp__> does somone have a way to fix evolution imap.. I've been waiting 4 years for to refresh my folders
[02:57] <bretzel> Wow! KUbuntu is out for testing! Great news for KDE-only users!
[02:57] <tp__> after the third year I was starting to worry that I'd dropped a connection
[02:59] <Echylo> hey what about a channel for music scripts? :P
[02:59] <Echylo> #finemusic ?
[02:59] <Echylo> damn
[02:59] <thoreauputic> if only they'd found a name that didn't perpetuate the "K is for KDE" thing... :/
[02:59] <Echylo> I've been trying for 2 weeks to get a channel launche
[03:00] <Riddell> thoreauputic: I was overrules on the k thing
[03:00] <Riddell> thoreauputic: I was overruled on the k thing
[03:00] <Echylo> but no one joins
[03:01] <xinel> this printing prob of mine is driving me crazy :E
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Riddell: it also succeeds in trivialising the concept "ubuntu" - I think it's unfortunate
[03:01] <xinel> have a usb printer epson C45 and can't get it too work
[03:01] <thoreauputic> the idea itself is fine...
[03:02] <Riddell> thoreauputic: the name came from canonical, blame them :)
[03:02] <fluxy> Hello. Is Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Riddell: OK - always nice to have a corporation to blame *grin*
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Riddell: at least it will silence the "Ubuntu is just a gnome fanboy distro"
[03:04] <thoreauputic> people
[03:04] <njan> thoreauputic, no it won't; there are always people like that :p
[03:05] <thoreauputic> njan: haha - how true :)
[03:05] <njan> thoreauputic, most of them attack gentoo, though ;)
[03:05] <fluxy>  Is the Ubuntu Live Cd Modular?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> fluxy: don't know - but the warty one seems to be based on morphix, so maybe it is
[03:08] <fluxy> thanks, I will try to ask the morphix folks then
[03:09] <thoreauputic> fluxy: morphix is probably what you want if you want modular
[03:13] <thierry> where, in the firefox source, can I add bookmarks?
[03:13] <hynix_mod> hello world
[03:13] <wezzer> ello
[03:14] <lunitik> fluxy: yes...
[03:14] <lunitik> fluxy: the hoary livecd is at least...
[03:15] <fluxy> lunitik: Do you know where I can get modules for Morphix and Links to faqs/docs in using/making modules? Thanks
[03:15] <cvxb> hey google  www.otomotivshow.com  :)
[03:16] <hynix_mod> hey can you tell me a place from where i can download frebsd 5.3. Ps:i want the connection to be as strong as posible, and fast to
[03:16] <hynix_mod> oh and i am from romania
[03:16] <thoreauputic> thierry: do you really mean in the source? The bookmarks are an html file in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[03:16] <hynix_mod> dambovita
[03:16] <hynix_mod> targoviste
[03:17] <jono> hi all
[03:17] <Funraiser> splinter cell is playable on linux with cedega!
[03:17] <jono> is hwdb-client working right for people?
[03:17] <dgr> Funraiser: CVS or binary?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> hynix_mod: ask in #freebsd ?
[03:17] <thierry> thoreauputic, no I mean like a source that I downloaded (it's for ubuntu bug 3176)
[03:18] <rattboi> hmm
[03:18] <rattboi> can anyone give me a tip
[03:18] <Funraiser> check this out http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/categories/view.mhtml?gametype=1
[03:18] <hynix_mod> what is cedega
[03:18] <hynix_mod> ???
[03:18] <hynix_mod> pls
[03:18] <AngryClip> cedega lets you play windows games
[03:18] <AngryClip> on linux
[03:18] <looksaus> a proprietary program
[03:18] <thoreauputic> hynix_mod: the commercial version of wine, I think
[03:19] <Funraiser> i didn't know u could play that many games on linux
[03:19] <rattboi> I got fglxr going, but it says in my xorg log that my kernel module version doesn't match driver
[03:19] <dgr> thoreauputic: you can also compile it yourself
[03:19] <thierry> yeah but it's not open source
[03:19] <Funraiser> that program must be somewhere on .torrent no?
[03:19] <AngryClip> probably
[03:19] <dgr> Funraiser: should be
[03:19] <looksaus> Funraiser, what are you suggesting?
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Funraiser: Practically anything has a torrent.. you just have to look for it
[03:20] <rattboi> lol
[03:20] <Quest-Master> looksaus: Warez. :P
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Particularly not a good thing to talk about in a Linux channel.
[03:20] <dgr> right
[03:20] <dgr> however, I think it's shit
[03:20] <dgr> well, at least the cvs version
[03:20] <thierry> how does grep works? anyone can give me an example?
[03:20] <Funraiser> what is shit?
[03:20] <rattboi> so nobody knows what I might need to do to get 3d accel working?
[03:20] <wezzer-> locate foo | grep foo
[03:21] <rattboi> I read the forums quite a bit, but I'm not really finding much for hoary
[03:21] <dgr> thierry: grep [regexp]  gives you only the lines that match your regexp
[03:21] <looksaus> ps ax|grep nameofprogram
[03:21] <wezzer-> umm, not so goof example
[03:21] <wezzer-> here is better one
[03:21] <Slackman> hey guys, if i want to upgrade just the kernel is it apt-get upgrade kernel?
[03:21] <wezzer-> apt-cache search gimp | grep gimp
[03:21] <dgr> ls ~ | grep porn << try this
[03:22] <looksaus> dgr, :)
[03:22] <dgr> ;)
[03:22] <Funraiser> i'm just saying many people stay on windows because of the games...which they didn't buy...
[03:22] <Funraiser> so they could do that too on linux
[03:22] <dgr> Funraiser: Let's assume they bought the games
[03:23] <thoreauputic> dgr: nah, to find that you do ls -al ~ | grep "accounts/.x/buried/here"
[03:23] <ogra> jono: its not done yet :)
[03:23] <jono> ogra, I can run the client but it seems to hang at the end, is this because there is no server to send data to ?
[03:23] <hynix_mod> You need to be identified to join that channel
[03:23] <Funraiser> What i'm saying is that there are no more REAL reasons to stay on windows.
[03:23] <hynix_mod> what is this
[03:23] <dgr> Funraiser: There are
[03:23] <hynix_mod> i want to enter #freebsd
[03:24] <looksaus> Funraiser, you mean for
[03:24] <looksaus> end users?
[03:24] <dgr> non-techies
[03:24] <dgr> they love windows
[03:24] <ogra> jono: this is becase there is not even a sending part yet ;) i'm just writing the assembling bit that glues the data together
[03:24] <dgr> and I can understand them, because it's easy to configure (and if something doesn't work, they just reinstall *g)
[03:24] <NetwrkMonkey> sigh
[03:25] <dgr> I have to admit that - when it comes to GUIs and stuff - I prefer windows
[03:25] <jono> ogra, ahha, is there a plan to merge this hardware database into future versions of Ubuntu to automate configuration? or will it *just* provide a web service?
[03:26] <rattboi> dgr, have you used OSX?
[03:26] <rattboi> I think that's the best interface
[03:26] <dgr> rattboi: I'm sorry; I'm a student and I don't have the money for a mac
[03:26] <ulas2> hwdb-gui should sent the databse to a repo right?
[03:26] <hynix_mod> hey guis can you help here pls
[03:26] <looksaus> rattboi, I like gnome better
[03:26] <ogra> jono, the information we recieve should flow ack into development....
[03:26] <ogra> back even
[03:26] <dgr> looksaus: yeah, but it's slower and uses more RAM than windows
[03:26] <looksaus> in fact, using Ubuntu in single boot on my iBook
[03:26] <Funraiser> plus, in europe, according to the 52th European convention, software can't NOT be subject to copyrights...yes...u are reading well, hard to swallow but true...but that's not a reason to steal somebody elses work, i'm just saying, currently in Europe it would not be illegal to crack/copy cedega
[03:27] <ogra> ulas2: not yet....
[03:27] <ogra> ulas2: its still in development
[03:27] <looksaus> Funraiser, copyright ==/== patents
[03:27] <ulas2> ogra, ahhh thats why
[03:27] <rattboi> dgr, I'm a student too, but I can still snag my gf's iBook :P
[03:27] <jono> ogra, this kinda hooks into David Zeuthens talk of an online FDI database for HAL device files
[03:27] <dgr> only thing that I don't like when using Linux is the GUI being kind of slow
[03:28] <ulas2> has anyone got info about glade-3 status?
[03:28] <ogra> jono: i will talk to him after the release, how we can merge the efforts....but currently i'm more busy in getting the app in shape :)
[03:28] <Funraiser> mine is not slow
[03:28] <thoreauputic> dgr: it doesn't have to be
[03:28] <dgr> well, I installed the nvidia drivers but it's not as smooth as winxp
[03:28] <thoreauputic> dgr: and the use of memory is a *good* thing - better thab *not* using it
[03:28] <Funraiser> and i have on old' pentium 3
[03:28] <jono> ogra, sure, I understand, I assume you are detecting HAL keys and sending them to the web server, right?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> s/thab/than
[03:29] <ogra> jono: run hwdb-xml on the commandline ;)
[03:29] <dgr> thoreauputic: well, but if it has to access the hard drive everytime I start an app it's slow
[03:30] <Funraiser> dgr did u enhance the Nvidia drivers too?
[03:30] <dgr> enhance?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can prelink, or you can preload a-la-windows
[03:30] <dgr> I didn't
[03:30] <jono> ogra, ahha, that looks suspiciously like HAL keys :)
[03:30] <dgr> now, how to do _that_? ;)
[03:30] <Funraiser> well on ubuntuguide.org there are 2 steps to install nividia, first install, then enhance
[03:30] <ogra> jono: i enhaced hal a bit for that....(there is a bios, processor and memory device)
[03:30] <ulas2> Funraiser, i want to enhance too
[03:30] <jono> ogra, nice, hookinh this into FDI files should be fairly straightforward
[03:31] <ogra> jono: to get the missing data...
[03:31] <Funraiser> well go to ubuntuguide.org then
[03:31] <rattboi> ubuntuguide doesn't do ATI drivers
[03:31] <thoreauputic> dgr: basically what windows is doing is just loading stuff at start up
[03:31] <ulas2> Funraiser, hmmm sounds promising
[03:31] <Funraiser> not yet
[03:31] <Funraiser> but soon
[03:31] <Funraiser> for ati
[03:31] <rattboi> well, that's not helping me now, is it?
[03:31] <dgr> the enhancing "trick" on ubuntuguide slows down my fps (checked via glxgears)
[03:31] <Funraiser> well at least that's what the author promised at least
[03:31] <rattboi> and it won't help me with hoary either
[03:32] <Funraiser> it enhanced mine big time
[03:32] <dgr> atm I have 3500 fps, and if I do what ubuntuguide says it's 2000
[03:32] <Funraiser> i mean big time
[03:32] <jono> ogra, something I have talked about at various conferences is the idea of developing an online repsitory of automatically generated FDI files, and then when you install a distribution, the distro could download the FDI files (or include them on the CD) and automate the sane defaults - you could reasonably include things such as X resolution in a graphics card FDI file and monitor rates in a monitor FDI file, and then configuration of X and the monitor goes away :)
[03:33] <ogra> jono: but that would involve the need being online at install time.....
[03:33] <dgr> thoreauputic: now, how do I enhance the drivers? (and does that really solve the slow-GUI problem?)
[03:33] <thierry> so, thoreauputic, any idea where I could add these bookmarks in firefox source?
[03:33] <larsson_> When i use the vidix driver in xine, and use tv-out, the xine window on my TV is purple, but it looks fine on my monitor. Any ideas?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> thierry: no, sorry I don't know
[03:33] <thierry> k...
[03:33] <ogra> jono: improving the aotudetection mechanisms based on this data is probably a better approach....
[03:34] <thierry> this is really an easy-fix but I Just can't find where to fix it!
[03:34] <dgr> thierry: what do you wanna do?
[03:34] <Funraiser> tu cherches quoi thierry?
[03:34] <dgr> lol
[03:34] <thoreauputic> dgr: don't know that either - but evidently what you tried didn't work for you, so I guess disabling it would make sense
[03:34] <thierry> ubuntu bug 3176: I want to add ubuntu bookmarks in the ubuntu firefox source package
[03:35] <jono> ogra, well, you could include a snapshot of all FDI files with the distro, they are only tiny text files, and any devices configured after the network is up can use the online repository - most distros try to get online ASAP so as to offer the ability to download packages and security fixes
[03:35] <dgr> thoreauputic: I did
[03:35] <thierry> dgr, Funraiser : I just can't fing where to add them!
[03:35] <Funraiser> oh
[03:35] <ogra> jono: true...
[03:35] <thoreauputic> dgr: if you want maximum GUI speed, maybe look at a window manager like fluxbox or windowmaker?
[03:35] <Funraiser> that's too deep for me
[03:35] <jono> ogra, I think this would set Ubuntu apart as a truly seamless distribution with respect to hardware configuration
[03:36] <thierry> Funraiser : then help me find where to add bookmarks!
[03:36] <dgr> i have them in /home/netslayer/.mozilla/firefox/default.ef6/bookmarks.html ;)
[03:36] <Funraiser> let me check
[03:36] <thierry> dgr: thanks!
[03:36] <dgr> thoreauputic: nah, don't like them. I want it simple, but not THAT simple.
[03:36] <ogra> jono: i think hal will be the base in the future, but yu need to port the apps to use it as well, so it will take its time.... the hwdb stuff is the initial step in that direction
[03:37] <thoreauputic> dgr: hmm.. flux doesn't have to be "simple" - but you need to edit things to get functionality, I admit
[03:38] <dgr> hm...
[03:38] <Echylo> question about ircd
[03:38] <Echylo> password: the password required to oper.  By default this will
[03:38] <Echylo> 	 * need to be encrypted using '/usr/bin/mkpasswd'.
[03:38] <Echylo> this is standing in .conf file
[03:38] <Echylo> but I don't have the program
[03:38] <Echylo> can someone help?
[03:38] <jono> ogra, spot on :) I think where this is interesting is that when I developed some ideas for an online driven hardware database, I thought the most difficult bit was getting usable data from *normal* users; this has been done already with hwdb-client :) I think the key is in hooking that data into the distro so it truly automates the process - if the data is left on a website for users to deal with themselves, it won't be much use, but if it automates hardware conf
[03:38] <jono> iguration, it will really make a difference - HAL is the ideal middleware to make this happen
[03:39] <thierry> wich program could I install to edit .html files?
[03:39] <thoreauputic> dgr: most linux window managers are endlessly tweakable
[03:39] <dgr> thoreauputic: well, I need icons on the desktop to store some things ;)
[03:40] <Funraiser> well, i'm going back to my unix course then...(cedega rulezzzz!!)
[03:40] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can get icons on a flux deaktop (or an icewm desktop, or... you get the idea)
[03:40] <jono> ogra, where it gets really interesting is when you open up a channel for meta-data - imagine asking the user what the best resolution for their graphics card is or some other user information that could possibly be un-detected; this way you have the opportunity to then use the community to step above autodetection - naturally this requires some moderation, but there are various options...
[03:40] <ogra> jono: it will flow back, be sure ;) but building a online database is helpful in other ways too for support issues....
[03:40] <thierry> dgr: finally it wasn't it, I dont have any folder named firefox/default.ef6/bookmarks.html and the bookmarks.html files I have aren't what I need... how did you get your source?
[03:40] <dgr> thoreauputic: did that once via nautilus *g man it was buggy ;)
[03:41] <thoreauputic> dgr: and windowmaker has them by default - just not windows-style
[03:41] <dgr> well, I didn't talk about the source, sorry I got you wrong
[03:41] <thierry> mmmm ok then
[03:41] <thoreauputic> dgr: heh- there are always 15 ways to do whatever you want to do in linux *g*
[03:42] <thierry> Funraiser, I still need your help! I really can't find where to add the bookmarks in the source
[03:42] <ogra> jono: the DB will hand out a token to hwdb-client after submission, so if you got a support case, you can supply this token and the supporter can look up you HW and log data...
[03:42] <dgr> thoreauputic, sometimes I wish there was only one ;)
[03:42] <rattboi> hey
[03:42] <rattboi> ATI 3d is working :)
[03:42] <rattboi> I guess I'm not a complete retard
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dgr: well.... OS-X for you maybe
[03:42] <rattboi> but not the newest drivers...
[03:42] <rattboi> oh well
[03:42] <xinel> okies
[03:42] <xinel> printer works on ma g/f's ubuntu machine
[03:42] <dgr> thoreauputic, ok, stop it, I'm willing to learn! *G*
[03:42] <rattboi> thoreauputic, don't be so sure
[03:42] <xinel> now how do i print from mine over the lan?
[03:43] <ogra> jono: the online DB is only the first step here, because its the easiest to manage use case we have on the list....
[03:43] <thoreauputic> dgr: hehe ;-)
[03:43] <rattboi> I do everything in OSX 15 ways too
[03:43] <xinel> looked at forums so far no help
[03:43] <thoreauputic> rattboi: yeah, that wasn't accurate on my part - sorry :)
[03:43] <Echylo> anyone can help me?
[03:43] <Echylo> where can I fine mkpasswd?
[03:43] <ogra> jono, everything else involves adjustment in other apps...
[03:43] <Echylo> find*
[03:43] <Echylo> or a channel related to ircd-hybrid
[03:44] <thoreauputic> rattboi: in fact I even have blackbox in OS-X (not that I use it much)
[03:44] <rattboi> I used KDE on OSX :P
[03:44] <rattboi> didn't like it much, more just to see it working
[03:44] <thoreauputic> rattboi: right - did you use the fink version?
[03:44] <rattboi> yeah
[03:44] <dgr> I don't like KDE. doens't matter if it's mac or x86 (or sparc, or...).
[03:44] <rattboi> dgr, same here
[03:45] <dgr> *doesn't
[03:45] <rattboi> used to not mind it, until I used gnome and OSX
[03:45] <thoreauputic> dgr: have you ever tried Enlightenment? Pretty cool...
[03:45] <rattboi> Enlightenment? Looks a little too flashy for me
[03:45] <dgr> when I started using Linux (mandrake) I used KDE without noticing I'm using it *g
[03:45] <rattboi> KISS
[03:46] <dgr> my wm of choice shall be fast and comfortable.. but that's difficult to find ;)
[03:46] <rattboi> does anyone here know OSX well?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> rattboi: I don't use it, but it has some sophisticated eyecandy
[03:46] <lemsx1> i know OSX
[03:46] <thoreauputic> (I meant E)
[03:46] <rattboi> there's this app I always use called Quicksilver
[03:46] <rattboi> I hope there's something like it for Gnome/Xorg
[03:46] <lemsx1> rattboi, what does it do?
[03:46] <dgr> did you look at gnomefiles.org?
[03:46] <jono> ogra, cool, the token idea is great - I agree that much of this will need buy in from apps, but I am pleased to see the infrastructure is being built so you can theoretically hook this data into apps and potentially the installer
[03:46] <rattboi> actually, I thikn it's like Beagle
[03:46] <rattboi> can beagle run programs?
[03:47] <zenwhen> The only think I can stand that isn't gnome is XFCE.
[03:47] <Echylo> goddamned
[03:47] <dgr> zenwhen: well, it's also gtk+ based ;)
[03:47] <ogra> jono: yup
[03:47] <Echylo> can someone please tell me where to get mkpasswd
[03:47] <rattboi> anyone here use gdesklets?
[03:47] <Echylo> irc server needs it to generate passwords
[03:47] <jono> ogra, good luck with it, if I can be of any help, just give me a yell :)
[03:47] <rattboi> I have this gdesklet that's like the OSX dock, but it doesn't stay on top like I'd like
[03:48] <zenwhen> dgr: that is exactly why I can stand it. :)
[03:48] <thoreauputic> rattboi: tried gdesklets about a year ago, but they wanted to eat all my resources for some reason...
[03:48] <ogra> jono: we will discuss the stuff further after release, feel free to join in ;)
[03:48] <dgr> zenwhen: I have to admit that k3b seems smooth although it uses qt (smoother than my gtk+ apps)
[03:48] <rattboi> what permissions do I need in fstab to make my vfat partition r/w by all users?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> k3b is very good indeed
[03:49] <jono> ogra, where will you discuss it ?
[03:49] <Echylo> @n ? ???  ??? ??? ???
[03:49] <ogra> jono: its on the plan for UbuntuDownUnder, but will also be discussed online....(ML or IRC)
[03:49] <dgr> does anyone know where I can change the qt font settings? k3bs fonts are damn big :/
[03:50] <thoreauputic> rattboi: I would set umask=002 and id=1000 gid=1000
[03:50] <thoreauputic> hmm change user to users too
[03:50] <thoreauputic> dgr: used to be a fonts setting in kcontrol
[03:50] <zenwhen> dgr: while I admit that I currently cannot live without k3b, it is the only qt app I subject myself to. pretty much everything about qt makes me want to lose my lunch.
[03:51] <jono> ogra, I was chatting to jdub about that - I might see if work can send me
[03:51] <thoreauputic> dgr: but I haven't used KDE for a while
[03:51] <dgr> thoreauputic: I don't have (and want to have) KDE installed here.
[03:51] <ogra> jono: great....i'm hoping for sponsorship too :)
[03:51] <thoreauputic> dgr: you can apt-get it if you wish
[03:52] <dgr> thoreauputic: is there no other way? *cry*
[03:52] <ogra> jono: there is a complete BOF planned about hwdb ....
[03:52] <jono> ogra, are you a Canonical hacker?
[03:52] <lemsx1> Echylo, mkpasswd? the stuff that comes with cygwin you mean?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> dgr: look at the kubuntu release?
[03:52] <ogra> jono: nope :) only a ubuntu hacker
[03:53] <dgr> thoreauputic: oh well. qt is a stand-alone widget set, so there should be a way to configure it _without_ KDE, shouldn't it?
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dgr: probably - I'm not knowledgable enough to answer that
[03:54] <jesuel> help
[03:54] <dgr> ls -R /etc | grep qt doesn't show any results..
[03:54] <thoreauputic> dgr: I would guess you are right. though
[03:54] <lemsx1> Echylo, mkpasswd is a script. get the .tar.bz2 from any cygwin mirror and copy the script to /usr/local/bin
[03:55] <Xappe> dgr, apt-get install qt3-qtconfiguration
[03:55] <Xappe> hmm, wrong, qt3-qtconfig
[03:56] <dgr> thanks, I'm trying it in 2 minutes..
[03:56] <macewan> hrm, does ubuntu require grub?
[03:57] <dgr> Xappe: thank you, works :)
[03:57] <thoreauputic> macewan: I don't think it "requires" it, it is just the default bootloader
[03:57] <thoreauputic> macewan: lilo would work too
[03:57] <Echylo> please
[03:57] <macewan> thinking of messing with bootsplash thismorning
[03:58] <Echylo> can somebody help me with my irc server?
[03:58] <macewan> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuerty ubuntu
[03:58] <rattboi> thoreauputic, could you give me a little better idea of gid, uid, etc? for fstab
[03:58] <rattboi> uid=1000 is first user, right?
[03:59] <rattboi> can I remove the uid part and just use gid?
[03:59] <thoreauputic> rattboi: gid=group identification, uid= user identification
[03:59] <rattboi> so that users of a certain group can have r/w access to my vfat partition?
[03:59] <eruin> hm
[03:59] <eruin> what's up with esound?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> rattboi: hmm .... I'm just saying what works for me: try your way and see if it works, I suppose
[04:00] <rattboi> well, the problem is that the way you specify only works for one user
[04:00] <rattboi> and that user isn't me
[04:00] <rattboi> we have two admins on this computer
[04:00] <thoreauputic> rattboi: right, i see
[04:01] <rattboi> me and my roommate, and we both will want acces
[04:01] <eruin> mehe, esound is gone
[04:01] <bretzel> Riddell?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> the "users" flag should make mounting possible for all users, I believe
[04:02] <eruin> how would I use polypaudio ?
[04:02] <eruin> for gnome sound
[04:02] <thoreauputic> but check man fstab, I'm just going on memory
[04:03] <Fr0D0> hi
[04:04] <Quest-Master> Is there a way I can do a simple terminal command, and it would go through the contents of every file in the directory, and tell me which ones have "hello" written inside them?
[04:04] <Riddell> bretzel: hmm?
[04:04] <schasi> Yep
[04:05] <Fr0D0> I have a big problem  My Ubuntu hoary desktp locked up and I had to turn the puter off at the switch...it was frozen completely
[04:05] <schasi> Quest-Master: Bash and its scripting can do that
[04:05] <Fr0D0> Upon reboot I only have text boot with 375 commands available
[04:05] <Quest-Master> schasi: I know that.. I need to know if there is already a script for it or a simple command, hehe
[04:06] <schasi> I dont think so
[04:06] <virtuald> Quest-Master: grep -r "your text" dir
[04:06] <schasi> would be something with grep
[04:06] <schasi> yuop
[04:06] <schasi> Thats it
[04:06] <Fr0D0> If Ubuntu can just freze like that (aka windoze bsod) then it is not worth this crap
[04:06] <schasi> -r for recursive?
[04:06] <virtuald> yes
[04:07] <Quest-Master> Fr0D0: You have to work real hard at getting Ubuntu to freeze
[04:07] <schasi> And where does it say "look inside"? Is that default by grep?
[04:07] <dgr> Fr0D0: If you don't like Ubuntu, don't use it.
[04:07] <schasi> Quest-Master: nah, depends. If the System is unstable (e.g. powersupply unit crappy) then its easy
[04:07] <virtuald> schasi: man grep
[04:07] <Fr0D0> I dont like Ubuntu that freezes, please dont insult
[04:08] <schasi> virtuald: A simple yes or no would have sufficed ;-)
[04:08] <Quest-Master> schasi: You can't blame Ubuntu for a bad power supply though. Blame the power supply. ;)
[04:08] <dgr> Fr0D0: what freezes? GNOME?
[04:08] <Quest-Master> Fr0D0: We're not insulting you. o_o
[04:08] <schasi> Quest-Master: That was my message
[04:08] <AciD> oi
[04:08] <schasi> Its easy then to freeze very os and kernel and whatever
[04:09] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: sometimes "top" can tell you which app is the problem
[04:09] <virtuald> schasi: no it isn't, that's why you need -r
[04:09] <rattboi> thoreauputic,
[04:09] <rattboi> it works
[04:09] <rattboi> I changed gid to admin
[04:09] <rattboi> and it looks like it's working properly
[04:09] <Fr0D0> Gnome freezes...if it has something running and askes for root passwrd, you cant get to the password prompt without moving the locked process first, but f it is locked you cant move it
[04:09] <rattboi> turns out I wasn't a member of the users group
[04:09] <thoreauputic> rattboi: great :) I'll remember that, thanks
[04:09] <dgr> Mem:    516348k total,   495784k used,    20564k free,   154188k buffers << HELP
[04:10] <thoreauputic> rattboi: sudo adduser rattboi users
[04:10] <rattboi> is there a pipe to put stuff right into the clipboard?
[04:10] <rattboi> it'd be cool to do like "cat /etc/fstab | grep /media/shared | clipboard
[04:11] <dgr> I think there's a clipboard server, but you have to install it
[04:11] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: try ctrl-alt-F1 or F2 to get a terminal, run top and id the offending process and kill it
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: then alt-F7 to return to the GUI
[04:12] <Fr0D0> I wouldnt even allow that Thor
[04:12] <bwlang> rattboi: there's no pipe interface atm  - but it would be easy to write a small program to accept information over a pipe and put it on the clipboard eg "echo foo | toclip'
[04:12] <dgr> thoreauputic: I like ps better than top
[04:12] <schasi> virtuald: you where right. i apologize
[04:12] <Fr0D0> tried ps
[04:12] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: ah, total freeze - OK that's different
[04:12] <bretzel> oh! I see there is 43 updates, almost all for gstreamer stuff: May I go update without breaking xine stuff ?
[04:12] <Fr0D0> nothing would get attention...
[04:12] <Tycho_Atreides> hey, question: how do i find my kernel source path?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> dgr: yeah, ps if you uknow what to look for
[04:12] <Fr0D0> had to coldboot
[04:13] <dgr> Fr0D0: have you updated the kernel=
[04:13] <Fr0D0> yes...the kernel was updated
[04:13] <dgr> hoary beta?
[04:13] <Fr0D0> to 2.6.10
[04:14] <dgr> 2.6.10-4 kernels don't work for me either (kernel panic 30 seconds after startup), I have to use the old 2.6.10-3 ones
[04:14] <thoreauputic> ah - if it's 2.6.10-4 I think there's a known bug...
[04:14] <thoreauputic> dgr: right
[04:14] <Fr0D0> it had become my favorite desktop handsdown...now I will prolly have to format again...format again...format again
[04:15] <dgr> don't you have an old kernel installed?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: no, you can revert to the old kernel
[04:15] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: just choose it at boot-up
[04:15] <dgr> thoreauputic: he can't if he removed the old one
[04:15] <bretzel> Wow! Just finished downloading Kubuntu iso ( 560MB) in 20 min :-) :-)...
[04:15] <thoreauputic> dgr: this is true
[04:15] <rattboi> dgr, 2.6.11 does that for me
[04:15] <thoreauputic> dgr: that would be unwise... :)
[04:16] <rattboi> as soon as gnome starts, kernel panic
[04:16] <jesuel> Bretzel, nice connection
[04:16] <dgr> rattboi: didn't try 2.6.11 yet
[04:16] <Fr0D0> I will try and see, but there is some kind of corruption that is preventing me from startx or even dpkg  NO DPKG
[04:16] <dgr> you don't have dpkg?
[04:16] <dgr> well, there's something wrong ;)
[04:16] <Fr0D0> I dont have it after reboot
[04:16] <bretzel> jesuel: yop!!! Cable modem @5.1mbits/sec
[04:17] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: was this a dist-upgrade from warty (a recnet one?)
[04:17] <Fr0D0> hard boot screwed up things bad
[04:17] <dgr> Fr0D0: did you boot the old kernel?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> *recent
[04:17] <jesuel> bretzel, peachy
[04:17] <Fr0D0> I used a dist-upgrade for Warty
[04:17] <bretzel> But What I want to notice is the bandwidth from Ubuntu arch sites... very generousely fast!
[04:18] <dgr> I think your kernel version is broken. but in grub, there should be another kernel to choose...
[04:18] <Shachar> question: I have a package in the queue to be accepted into Debian-sid. What do I have to do in order to get it into Ubuntu?
[04:18] <jesuel> bretzel, yeah. I routinely get around 25 to 30mbit/sec
[04:18] <Fr0D0> I will try an old kernel...brb
[04:18] <thoreauputic> Fr0D0: I agree with dgr
[04:19] <dgr> Shachar: wait for the next release, IIRC they grab the sid packages every six months and put them in universe
[04:19] <AciD> hi, when i try to install the package xserver-xorg i get a failedaccording to apt-get.org the libgcc1 package needed by xserver-xorg is in experimental. how can you bypass the pinning protection to get it ?
[04:19] <AciD> oups
[04:19] <AciD> according to apt-get.org the libgcc1 package needed by xserver-xorg is in experimental. how can you bypass the pinning protection to get it ?
[04:19] <Echylo> where does my irc server has to listen?
[04:19] <Echylo> which host? :s
[04:19] <bretzel> jesuel: Cool! 8-) ...And the fact that the updates don't stop to arrives and work very well: add all those benefits and we have a utopic system actually working in real world ...
[04:20] <Shachar> dgr: A. I'm not sure when it will get into Sid. It has been in the upload queue for over a week and a half already. Apparently, everyone is busy with Sarge.
[04:20] <jesuel> bretzel, aye
[04:20] <Shachar> B. Just found the answer to B on the web site
[04:20] <thoreauputic> AciD, are you using debian sources with ubuntu?
[04:20] <AciD> yes
[04:21] <thoreauputic> AciD, don't
[04:21] <dgr> Shachar: If you want them to put it in main, I think you should drop them a mail
[04:21] <AciD> i use ubuntu only for xorg
[04:21] <BiteMeBill> Echylo: What do you mean where does it have to listen?  The port number?
[04:21] <Echylo> no its allright
[04:21] <Echylo> I needed the host
[04:21] <AciD> on my main computer, now i try to setup it for my laptop
[04:21] <bretzel> I say that because I had pain in the as... with some other distros espsecially Fedora(RedHat) with broken connexions, mandrake woth randomly borken connexion, and not working RPM pkgs...
[04:21] <Shachar> dgr: I'm not asking about the Debian process. If you know it, you'll understand that I already packaged the program, got a sponsor, convinced him it was in an ok state, and had him upload it to the queue
[04:21] <dizzie> Afternoon all :)
[04:22] <Shachar> which means I'm fairly along the way :-)
[04:22] <StoffBox-Steve> hi all
[04:22] <dgr> Shachar: I'm talking about Ubuntu ;)
[04:22] <Shachar> I was wondering whether it was worth my while to upload it directly to ubuntu
[04:22] <bretzel> full of thums this morning....sorry full of misspelled words in my phrases ...
[04:22] <Shachar> dgr: who should I email?
[04:23] <dgr> Shachar:http://www.canonical.com/ << there should be a contact page
[04:23] <dgr> don't know if that's right, you should have a look at the wiki first
[04:24] <WeirdAl> 'lo!
[04:24] <WeirdAl> lo?
[04:24] <WeirdAl> can someone tell me how to install SMB support?
[04:24] <thoreauputic> Shachar: or  lists.ubuntu.com
[04:25] <dizzie> WeirdAl, compile a new kernel with SMP support?
[04:25] <WeirdAl> How do I do it easily?
[04:25] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: sudo apt-get install samba smbfs
[04:25] <WeirdAl> ty
[04:25] <thoreauputic> SMB or SMP?
[04:25] <dgr> WeirdAl: SMB = Samba or SMP?
[04:26] <WeirdAl> oh
[04:26] <WeirdAl> Now I don't know. Hang on.
[04:26] <dizzie> I missread SMB as SMP, sorry :<
[04:26] <StoffBox-Steve> SMB > network
[04:26] <hahu> Hi
[04:26] <WeirdAl> Yeah that one.
[04:26] <dgr> ah ok
[04:26] <WeirdAl> For Windows networking on account of other people.
[04:27] <StoffBox-Steve> than Samba is you way  :D but when you have hoary it is still supported, or ? ... i think so ... you can easy share files over the system menu
[04:27] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: then see the command I posted above
[04:27] <WeirdAl> getting :-)
[04:28] <Echylo> anyone knows how the packet for services like nickserv & chanserv is called? I use a ircd-hybrid server
[04:28] <dgr> Hm, since I upgraded to Hoary the nautilus smb support seems broken
[04:28] <dgr> is there another way to browse smb-shares?
[04:28] <BiteMeBill> WeirdAl: If you need to know how to configure Samba it's here on the guide http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[04:28] <StoffBox-Steve> btw guys, i have upgrade a few days ago to hoary .. and when its done my locale settings are a ugly mix of DE and ENG ... what was the command to set the locale new ?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales  ?
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> *blink*
[04:29] <StoffBox-Steve> that was to easy for me *lol*
[04:30] <thoreauputic> haha ;-)
[04:30] <dgr> sudo apt-get install language-pack-de-base <<
[04:30] <dgr> that should solve your problems...
[04:30] <StoffBox-Steve> << change to ENG .. its better than de :D
[04:33] <thoreauputic> dgr: on warty, apt-cache search doesn't know about language-pack-de-base  - is it a Hoary thing?
[04:33] <dgr> hm, try language-pack-de
[04:33] <thoreauputic> k
[04:33] <dgr> I don't know, I'm using the Hoary Beta (which is quite stable)
[04:33] <Botje-> what's the default ubuntu dhcp client?
[04:34] <dgr> Botje-: do you need the default or just a dhcp client?
[04:35] <Shachar> Is there an official stance as far as ubuntu for servers?
[04:35] <Shachar> Is that "recommended", "will work", "at your own risk"?
[04:35] <Botje-> the default one
[04:36] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm, die Nvidia drivers are in the linux-restricted-modules pack or ?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Shachar: a question for canonical, I guess, if it's a mission-critical server
[04:36] <linuxboy> I just installed one of the Ubuntu monthly packages. What do i do with it?
[04:36] <rattboi> si there a hotkey for xchat to change tabs?
[04:36] <dgr> StoffBox-Steve: they are ;)
[04:37] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: you mean the calendar?
[04:37] <_d4vid> hi all
[04:37] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: yeah
[04:37] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm ok, i have installed the Nvidia drivers ( using them right now ), but i see i dont have the restricted pack installed
[04:37] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: what do i do now? where do i use it?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: you find it in loginscreen setup I think
[04:38] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: oic
[04:38] <Echylo> how stubborn can you be
[04:38] <Echylo> or something like that
[04:39] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: nope, didnt change anything
[04:39] <dgr> have to go, see you guys
[04:39] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: there are backgrounds as well - try using locate ubuntu-calendar or ubuntu | grep nameofmonth
[04:40] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: ah.. yes. found a background
[04:40] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: mine are in /usr/share/
[04:41] <thoreauputic> for instance, /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-calendar-february
[04:41] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm how can i deinstall software that are coming with the basic example : openoffice , without deinstalling ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:41] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: ah, thanx
[04:42] <Tycho_Atreides> how can i find my linux source path?
[04:42] <rattboi> see ya
[04:42] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: and /usr/share/backgrounds
[04:43] <Quest-Master> G3 Torrent for Ubuntu is here. :D http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=86007
[04:43] <thoreauputic> StoffBox-Steve: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - you can uninstall it without breaking anything
[04:44] <StoffBox-Steve> Oh thx, didnt know that :) so its only a dummypack to easy install all desktop tools? :D
[04:44] <thoreauputic> yes
[04:44] <StoffBox-Steve> ty
[04:44] <thoreauputic> pulls in dependencies etc
[04:45] <thoreauputic> time to sleep... good night all
[04:45] <xoxoxo> hello. i need to run a small script after the system finish booting up. in which rc file should i call this script?
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, you have to put the script into /etc/rc2.d with name that starts as S99"name"
[04:47] <Hikaru79> I've switched from gnome to KDE on ubuntu... what packages should I delete to get rid of gnome now? (There's no point in keeping both)
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, but the best way is to put the script into /etc/init.d
[04:47] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, and link it with update-rc.d
[04:48] <Riddell> Hikaru79: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0 would about do it
[04:49] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: that doesnt guarantee that my script run after every other scripts
[04:49] <xoxoxo> there must be a better way to do it
[04:49] <Goshawk> yes
[04:49] <Goshawk> S99 is the last script
[04:49] <Goshawk> to be executed
[04:49] <Goshawk> S01 is the first
[04:49] <xoxoxo> like in RH, they have smt like rc.local
[04:50] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: i know that, but what if there are 10 S99?
[04:50] <xoxoxo> what will run last?
[04:50] <xoxoxo> that is why we need a better way
[04:50] <Goshawk> they are ordered for name
[04:50] <Goshawk> S99b comes after S99a
[04:50] <xoxoxo> then you must choose the "good" name for it
[04:50] <xoxoxo> still bad solution
[04:51] <Goshawk> S99z"name" will be the last
[04:51] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: are u sure???
[04:52] <xoxoxo> ok, tell me what is the "sure" name so my script will be the last?
[04:52] <Goshawk> do ls /etc/rc2.d
[04:52] <Goshawk> and the last script will be executed for last
[04:52] <xoxoxo> u dont get my point
[04:53] <snowblink> xoxoxo: crontab @reboot?
[04:53] <xoxoxo> that solution is not scalable
[04:54] <xoxoxo> i need smt like rc.local in RedHat. there must be smt like that in ubuntu, but i dont know exactly what it is named
[04:55] <ca> Hi all. Just installede ubuntu hoary. Love it so far :) Would like to get java on my system, but the guides i find are a bit hard to make out. Some refer to warty, some seem outdated and so on. What is the "best" way to get sun java for hoary?
[04:56] <Goshawk> ca have you looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[04:58] <ca> Goshawk, Don't remember if it was there or some wiki, but i found that most guides refered to warty. Just wondered if i could use those withoug prolems or not?
[04:58] <ca> Goshawk, Just saw the link you gave, looks good, will try that. Thanks.
[04:59] <mijenix> where I can set the domain name? apache2 gives a error message
[04:59] <Goshawk> ca there is one of the best guide about ubuntu ^__^
[04:59] <ca> Goshawk, First time i see that page i think. Will bookmark it right away :)
[05:00] <mijenix> Goshawk: wich ine
[05:00] <Goshawk> mijenix, what?
[05:01] <Goshawk> ca yes.. it should be put at the topic...
[05:01] <snowblink> hmmm. Used to be in the topic...
[05:01] <Goshawk> one week ago it there was.. but now not
[05:13] <Echylo> anybody experience with dyndns?
[05:13] <Echylo> and knows a (good) service that auto updates your IP on their site?
[05:14] <xoxoxo> my ubuntu (4.10) boot up so slow. anybody can recommend me how to refine system to speed things up?
[05:15] <xoxoxo> i already remove unneeded script from /etc/init.d, but that doesnt help much
[05:16] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, you have to see where you system lose time
[05:16] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, removing things from /etc/init.d will make your system unstable
[05:16] <Echylo> I think he loses the most at hotplug subsystem right?
[05:16] <xoxoxo> ok i meant i removed things in rc3.d
[05:17] <Echylo> and I think they will try to speed it up in hoary
[05:17] <xoxoxo> Echylo: yes hotplug is so slow
[05:17] <Echylo> uhu
[05:17] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, but hotplug is the besic for plug& play
[05:17] <xoxoxo> i wonder if upgrading to hoary will help ?
[05:17] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, yes it will help
[05:18] <xoxoxo> Goshawk: are u running hoary now? how fast it boot compare to warty?
[05:18] <help-me> hello
[05:18] <LinuxJones> xoxoxo, debian uses runlevel 2 by default
[05:18] <Echylo> hello
[05:18] <help-me> anyone fluent in networking?
[05:18] <Echylo> mr hacker help-me
[05:18] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, yes t seems to be better but the best advantages is not th speed
[05:18] <LinuxJones> xoxoxo, err Ubuntu
[05:18] <Goshawk> but the compatibilities
[05:19] <Goshawk> since it has X.org
[05:19] <help-me> who Echylo?
[05:19] <Echylo> you
[05:19] <Echylo> your name ::P
[05:19] <help-me> ahh...
[05:19] <help-me> nothing to do with it
[05:19] <xoxoxo> i just need my ssytem run fast, dont care x.org. i work mainly in console
[05:20] <Echylo> uhu
[05:20] <Echylo> otherwise you would hide your ip ;)
[05:20] <help-me> do i need to install samba to access folders in a windows machine?
[05:20] <Goshawk> xoxoxo, so remove the packages not the scripts!
[05:20] <Goshawk> and remove daemons if you don't need them
[05:21] <zenwhen> well hoary boots much faster, but general desktop apps are slower
[05:21] <zenwhen> much slower
[05:21] <ca> xoxoxo, I'm just a noob wrt. ubuntu, but if you work mainly in console are you sure ubuntu is the distribution for you? How about pure debian or ...?
[05:22] <xoxoxo> ca: ubuntu is more updated, so i prefer it
[05:22] <help-me> hey, what about networking.....
[05:22] <lunitik> ca: there is really no advantage to Debian over Ubuntu... they are basically the same thing, except that you get decent release schedule...
[05:22] <help-me> any pages that people know?
[05:23] <HcE> xoxoxo: that actually depends on what you use the disto for ;) Or are you using Warty or Hoary?
[05:23] <lunitik> ca: They are basically the same thing.
[05:23] <xoxoxo> hmm i will try to upgrade to hoary. hopefuly it works
[05:23] <LinuxJones> help-me, what kind of networking questions do you have ?
[05:23] <lunitik> xoxoxo: thats an irrelivant point... hoary takes packages from sid... sid is more up-to-date.
[05:23] <help-me> humm,
[05:23] <HcE> I lack some development packages in Ubuntu
[05:23] <ca> hmm, thought there was bigger difference. But what do i know, i'm new here :)
[05:23] <help-me> i have my ubuntu machine in a windows network
[05:24] <lunitik> HcE: apt-get install build-essential
[05:24] <help-me> and i would like to access folders in windows machines
[05:24] <help-me> but i can't access them
[05:24] <lunitik> ca: nope, not really.
[05:24] <LinuxJones> help-me, so you wnat the Ubuntu machine to share files with your windows machine ?
[05:24] <HcE> lunitik: I'm not that new ;) Ubuntu uses libpqxx 2.2, Debian Sarge uses libpqxx 2.4.1
[05:24] <LinuxJones> err want
[05:24] <andrewski> how many packages does everyone have installed?  i have 760 currently.
[05:24] <help-me> more the other way around LinuxJones
[05:25] <xoxoxo> lunitik: ok but ubuntu is updated and also much more stable. not as sid.
[05:25] <LinuxJones> help-me, have a look @ www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:25] <help-me> i have
[05:25] <help-me> but i can't install samba server
[05:25] <help-me> it gives me an error message
[05:25] <lunitik> HcE: I see 2.4.1 here...
[05:25] <lunitik> HcE: Hoary though...
[05:26] <HcE> yes, not in Warty
[05:26] <help-me> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, do you know what error comes up ?
[05:26] <help-me> this one
[05:26] <help-me> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[05:26] <lunitik> xoxoxo: Sid isn't that unstable actually, unstable stuff goes to experimental generally...
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, ok you have synaptic running
[05:26] <help-me> yeah
[05:26] <help-me> i'll close it
[05:26] <help-me> :S
[05:26] <LinuxJones> help-me, you can use it
[05:26] <lunitik> HcE: I don't use warty.
[05:27] <LinuxJones> help-me, hit the reload button to refresh the package list
[05:27] <cavediver> Gahh, i'm getting tired of this... I can't install oo2 no matter what i do.
[05:27] <help-me> what should i look for?
[05:27] <xoxoxo> anybody experiences problem upgrading from warty to hoary?
[05:27] <LinuxJones> help-me, after you refresh click the serach button and type in samba
[05:27] <lunitik> HcE: there is backports.ubuntuforums.org if you want to check that out
[05:28] <lunitik> xoxoxo: none here.
[05:28] <andrewski> xoxoxo: nope. ;)
[05:28] <snowblink> help-me: you don't need to install samba server just to access windows shares
[05:29] <lunitik> snowblink: in fact, it doesn't help at all  :P
[05:29] <LinuxJones> snowblink, he want to share files both ways
[05:29] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[05:31] <snowblink> LinuxJones: didn't read it that way...
[05:31] <LinuxJones> snowblink, I do that all the time ;)
[05:32] <universal> dow someone know about gdesklets?
[05:33] <leitao> people, my ubuntu dont recognized my sound. how can i do that?
[05:33] <lunitik> universal: what do you need to know??
[05:33] <universal> lunitik, gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:33] <universal> , thats my problem
[05:34] <lunitik> universal: you compiled yourself or something?  :/
[05:34] <universal> lunitik, no i dl it from synaptic
[05:34] <lunitik> universal: I'm not sure then... never seen that, sorry
[05:34] <universal> lunitik, ok
[05:35] <universal> someone else who have seen my problem : gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:35] <snowblink> universal: sounds like a warning rather than an error
[05:36] <universal> snowblink, i think it is, but then how to run the program anyway?
[05:36] <snowblink> universal: does it exit the program with that message?
[05:37] <universal> no, its when im typing gdesklets in term
[05:37] <snowblink> universal: okay, so what happens when you start adding gdesklets?
[05:37] <usual> man this redrawing of windows is the pits
[05:38] <universal> snowblink, (gDesklets:9042): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[05:38] <universal> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[05:38] <universal> gDesklets 0.26.2
[05:38] <universal> Copyright (C) 2003, 2004 The gDesklets Team
[05:38] <universal> This software is licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
[05:38] <universal> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[05:38] <universal>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: okay
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: that's fine
[05:39] <universal> snowblink, ok, ?
[05:39] <snowblink> universal: now try adding gdesklets
[05:39] <universal> snowblink, what do u mean?
[05:39] <larsson_> I
[05:40] <snowblink> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/some.display
[05:40] <larsson_> Ive got video problems. I am using vidix as video driver in xine. I want to use it on the tv-out too. When i do this, everything looks fine on my monitor but on the TV, the xine window is pink. This only happens with the vidix drivers. Need help!
[05:41] <universal> snowblink, ok, i shall tyoe that in term?
[05:41] <snowblink> universal: when you start gdesklets it's like a clean slate. You have to add things to show on the desktop
[05:41] <snowblink> universal: have a look in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays for some of the things you might want to run
[05:42] <universal> snowblink, ok, but as im adding, it cannot open, because it does not exitst
[05:42] <snowblink> universal: sorry. Didn't understand that.
[05:43] <larsson_> Anyone?
[05:43] <universal> snowblink, when im typing the add-line, a windoes pops up, and says that the folder doesent exist
[05:43] <bretzel> Hi again: I am actually running hoary KUBUNTU :-)
[05:43] <snowblink> universal: ah - have you go the gdesklets-data?
[05:43] <universal> no
[05:43] <universal> ahh ok
[05:44] <andrewski> larsson_: #xine
[05:44] <universal> snowblink, so first i have to go to the folder cd...... and then type the adding
[05:44] <snowblink> sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[05:44] <snowblink> universal: you can add stuff that ends in .display
[05:45] <snowblink> universal: yup that works too
[05:45] <universal> snowblink, hmm?
[05:45] <universal> snowblink, ok
[05:46] <universal> snowblink,ok, now im in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays, then what shall i type?
[05:46] <andrewski> how do i change the keyboard ubuntu boots with?
[05:46] <macewan> this shit would be so much easier if i wasn't a dumbass
[05:47] <andrewski> universal: man gdesklets.  it gives you the syntax for adding displays.
[05:47] <snowblink> universal: you have to pick something you want to display now
[05:47] <andrewski> universal: or, run it from nautilus.
[05:47] <universal> ok, hmm
[05:47] <andrewski> macewan: that's a very true statement, for all of us. ;)
[05:48] <universal> and now i can download what i whant to display, as a clock, Weather, and so??
[05:48] <snowblink> universal: sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[05:48] <snowblink> universal: that will get you a bunch to start playing with#
[05:49] <universal> snowblink, ok, can u then tell me how to?
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: open up nautilus
[05:49] <universal> ok
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: go to /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[05:49] <andrewski> universal: and double-click on any you want to try.  that should work, but i'm going from memory.
[05:49] <universal> andrewski, ok, thx
[05:50] <universal> BOTH
[05:50] <andrewski> universal: no problem
[05:53] <universal> andrewski, when using nautilus, shall i then run from root?
[05:53] <andrewski> universal: no.
[05:54] <CarlK> anyone have a URL for setting up a print server using Hoary server?
[05:54] <andrewski> universal: gdesklets are a user program; you don't need root privileges to run it.
[05:54] <universal> andrewski, when dubbelclicking, it cannot open the .display
[05:55] <andrewski> universal: hmm.  ok, try reading the manpage for gdesklets; i think all you have to do is 'gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/name-of-desklet.display' but I could be wrong. :)
[05:55] <Zitter> hi, is it possible to map "window key" to open gnome-menu?
[05:55] <StoffBox-Steve> how is the command for the KDE system setup ?
[05:55] <andrewski> Zitter: yes, look at the manpage for xmodmap.
[05:55] <universal> andrewski, ok thx
[05:55] <andrewski> universal: let me know if that works.
[05:55] <Zitter> andrewski, ok
[05:59] <alessandro> I
[06:00] <alessandro> I've a problem with usb, when I plug any device doesn't appen nothing
[06:01] <LinuxJones> universal, are you using warty ?
[06:01] <universal> andrewski, hmm root@universal:/home/universal # gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/rss
[06:01] <universal> (gDesklets:9516): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:01] <universal> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:01] <universal> gDesklets 0.26.2
[06:01] <universal> Copyright (C) 2003, 2004 The gDesklets Team
[06:01] <universal> This software is licensed under the terms of the GNU GPL.
[06:01] <universal> LinuxJones, yes
[06:01] <andrewski> universal: did you read the manpage?
[06:01] <universal> andrewski, sry, ;)
[06:02] <andrewski> universal: you should be adding something that has an extension of .display
[06:02] <andrewski> universal: read the manpage!
[06:02] <andrewski> :)
[06:02] <LinuxJones> universal, I';m runnign Hoary and when I run gdesklets it opens a nice gui for adding gdesklets to the desktop.
[06:02] <andrewski> LinuxJones: IIRC that's a recent addition
[06:02] <universal> LinuxJones, ok, hmm it doesent come up for me ;)
[06:03] <looksaus> why shouldn't I disable/remove postfix from my laptop?
[06:03] <looksaus> (trying to keep battery usage to a minimum)
[06:04] <looksaus> and memory usage...
[06:04] <snowblink> andrewski: in warty I don't believe they set up the file association by default
[06:04] <looksaus> suggestions for removing even more service?
[06:04] <CarlK> install gentoo ;)
[06:04] <andrewski> snowblink: ok, i see.  so this CLI command should work just fine. :P
[06:04] <CarlK> which is GENerally TOO much trouble
[06:05] <snowblink> andrewski: I already gave the command to him.
[06:05] <andrewski> snowblink: oh, i missed that.
[06:05] <NobleArc> ick.  I hated Gentoo when I tried it. >.<
[06:06] <andrewski> i really liked gentoo, but the endless compiling wore on me.  now, in ubuntu, i sacrifice the availability of any package i come across....  win some, lose some.
[06:06] <rattboi> you can still compile from source
[06:07] <andrewski> rattboi: yes, that's true, but it's much more a pain in the butt to keep track of.
[06:07] <rattboi> yeah
[06:07] <andrewski> i know i can't...
[06:07] <NobleArc> Compilation from source of X.Org scares me.
[06:07] <andrewski> NobleArc: you mean in gentoo?
[06:07] <NobleArc> on this machine, it took about an hour or two, but on my old 400 MHz one, it took two days. >.<
[06:07] <NobleArc> yes, in Gentoo.
[06:07] <rattboi> I never used gentoo, so I don't know how easy it is to compile
[06:08] <andrewski> NobleArc: i mean, it takes a while, but it's rather painless.
[06:08] <rattboi> NobleArc, that was probably memory-limited
[06:08] <andrewski> rattboi: as is most compiling.
[06:08] <NobleArc> Still.
[06:08] <NobleArc> The pain!
[06:08] <andrewski> NobleArc: you mean the time.
[06:08] <NobleArc> er, yes.
[06:08] <NobleArc> The time!
[06:08] <andrewski> :P
[06:08] <NobleArc> ..of pain!
[06:08] <rattboi> what makes Ubuntu so much harder to compile with?
[06:08] <rattboi> usually it's the same ./configure, make, make install stuff
[06:08] <NobleArc> uh, lack of gcc when you first install it? -_-
[06:09] <rattboi> bah, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[06:09] <rattboi> solved that
[06:09] <andrewski> rattboi: since that's what you do in gentoo, portage keeps track of things, keeps the source in this directory, installs to this directory, and makes exceptions based on the program so that it's rather painless.
[06:09] <rattboi> oh, it's source packages then
[06:09] <andrewski> rattboi: emerge program and (after the time...) you have it ready to go.
[06:09] <universal> andrewski, when im trying one of the .Display it says No preview tag for file:///usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/boxmail-desklet/boxmail.display
[06:10] <LinuxJones> universal, andrewski I just installed gdesklets cause you guys were talking about it...very cool
[06:10] <NobleArc> gdesklets is broken in Debian. :0
[06:10] <andrewski> universal: i dunno anymore.
[06:10] <NobleArc> Is it here? :0
[06:10] <rattboi> NobleArc, nope
[06:10] <rattboi> I'm using it now
[06:10] <NobleArc> ooh, score.
[06:10] <andrewski> ask LinuxJones :)
[06:10] <NobleArc> brb.
[06:10] <rattboi> on Hoary at least
[06:10] <NobleArc> aw, fuzz.
[06:10] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, I jsut installed it 10 minutes ago on Hoary
[06:11] <NobleArc> I refuse to use Hoary 'til it's officially released. -_-
[06:11] <universal> LinuxJones, u know the problem?
[06:11] <andrewski> NobleArc: aw, fuzz on you then.
[06:11] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, I wish there was a gdeskltp to fix my horrid typing skills
[06:11] <andrewski> LinuxJones: lol
[06:11] <cshah2> when would it be officially released?
[06:11] <NobleArc> uh. eventually.
[06:11] <LinuxJones> universal, no sorry dude
[06:11] <cshah2> :(
[06:12] <universal> LinuxJones, ok ;)
[06:12] <oferw> where I can find what are the requirement for workstation
[06:12] <rattboi> who here uses gdesklets?
[06:12] <NobleArc> Someone said it would be in April. o_O
[06:12] <rattboi> is there a way to get them to stay on top?
[06:12] <universal> rattboi, me!
[06:12] <andrewski> universal: did you read the manpage?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> NobleArc, Hoary should be frozen within a few weeks
[06:13] <rattboi> universal, do you  know a way to get a gdesklet to stay over other windows?
[06:13] <NobleArc> Huzzah.
[06:13] <rattboi> I'm using StarterBar, but it doesn't work so well when apps go over the top of it
[06:14] <universal> andrewski, yes
[06:16] <oferw> anybody can help me
[06:16] <oferw> ?
[06:16] <NobleArc> I'm sure someone could.. but I don't know that they will.
[06:16] <NobleArc> I'm next to useless, so don't ask me.
[06:16] <LinuxJones> oferw, it should be on the ubuntu webpage
[06:16] <oferw> I can not find it
[06:17] <NobleArc> ..."cannot" is one word.
[06:17] <apokryphos> and "can not" is still not syntactically incorrect, either
[06:18] <NobleArc> Or /is/ it?
[06:18] <andrewski> no.
[06:18] <NobleArc> heh, "syntactically."  That's gold.
[06:18] <NobleArc> Pure gold!
[06:18] <apokryphos> Gee, thanks.
[06:18] <andrewski> it's a word, NobleArc.
[06:18] <NobleArc> That's the official #ubuntu word of the day. o_O
[06:18] <NobleArc> Or at least I think it should be.
[06:19] <NobleArc> It just rolls off the tongue! Syntactically..
[06:19] <LinuxJones> oferw, what kind of system do you have ?
[06:19] <apokryphos> Not like "velocity". That's a killer word; a v, a c, and an l!
[06:20] <oferw> LinuxJones: I need to know to buy computers for workstations
[06:20] <andrewski> oh no, not an l!
[06:20] <NobleArc> L's are the worst.
[06:21] <apokryphos> They're the best. Lush, lovely... all very sensuous. :P
[06:21] <NobleArc> I suppose.
[06:21] <apokryphos> libindous :P
[06:21] <NobleArc> I prefer q's.  There's one in quintessential. ^^
[06:21] <apokryphos> possibly spelt wrong ;-)
[06:21] <LinuxJones> oferw, most entry level systems can easily run Ubuntu quite well
[06:21] <NobleArc> I wouldn't know.  My spelling is horrid. >.<  Still, I go out of my way to correct everyone else's!
[06:22] <apokryphos> libidinous; that's it.
[06:22] <andrewski> apokryphos: "of the libido"?
[06:22] <NobleArc> I see 'lib' and automatically think of apt. >.<
[06:22] <oferw> LinuxJones: but still I want to know if there are any requirements
[06:22] <andrewski> O_o
[06:23] <apokryphos> andrewski: whatwhat? Syn: Lewd; lustful; lascivious; unchaste; impure; sensual; licentious; lecherous; salacious.
[06:23] <LinuxJones> oferw, your going to want at least a 1 gig processor and 256 megs of ram 512 would be optimal.
[06:23] <dkl> hi
[06:25] <oferw> LinuxJones: thanks, do you know where I can find it on the website?
[06:25] <LinuxJones> oferw, let me have a look
[06:26] <oferw> LinuxJones: thanks
[06:28] <LinuxJones> oferw, >> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20050107_20.html#4
[06:28] <JDigital> Hello folks, does anyone know the easiest way to install Java?
[06:29] <JDigital> The wiki page is complicated.
[06:29] <LinuxJones> oferw, looks like P3 500 with 192 megs ram
[06:29] <andrewski> i've gotten a number of freezes in ubuntu.  i'm jus' sayin'.
[06:29] <oferw> LinuxJones: thank you very much
[06:29] <LinuxJones> oferw, np
[06:30] <NobleArc> I installed it from a guide, but the guide was long, and annoying.
[06:30] <Vishaakje> is there an easy way to making a samba shared upload folder?
[06:30] <oferw> LinuxJones: you probbly know how to search
[06:31] <LinuxJones> oferw, I just google'd for it
[06:32] <NobleArc> Google > *
[06:32] <andrewski> NobleArc: exactly.
[06:33] <NobleArc> *nods*
[06:33] <NobleArc> Google got me my first -- and only -- quote on bash! :D
[06:33] <dampjam> I just got ubuntu working and I was wondering if anybody could tell me a good code editor that supports coloring
[06:33] <JDigital> is there like some kind of package
[06:33] <JDigital> that I can install
[06:33] <LinuxJones> dampjam, gedit
[06:33] <andrewski> NobleArc: huh?
[06:33] <JDigital> dampjam: gedit
[06:33] <knucks> Has anyone been successful with getting RealPlayer to work in Firefox
[06:33] <knucks> ?
[06:33] <Blissex> dampjam: there are dozens and dozens
[06:33] <NobleArc> I have a quote of me talking to someone on bash, and it involves google. :0
[06:34] <JDigital> I submitted quote 1337 on bash :cool:
[06:34] <andrewski> dampjam: if you've used vim before, gvim is a good one.
[06:34] <Blissex> dampjam: depends a lot on your preferences and ho geeky you are
[06:34] <JDigital> vim sucks
[06:34] <JDigital> gedit
[06:34] <NobleArc> I can't even get RealPlayer working, knucks.
[06:34] <dampjam> Wow, gedit is awesome, I just saw the source formattin gmenu
[06:34] <NobleArc> It loads, plays the audio, but there's no video. :P
[06:34] <dampjam> I know everybody will make fun of me but I'm more of a nano kind of guy when it comes to terminal editing
[06:34] <knucks> hm i havent tested mine out..
[06:34] <NobleArc> I love nano.
[06:35] <Tomcat_> \o/ nano \o/
[06:35] <NobleArc> I wont use anything else.
[06:35] <knucks> link to a realplayer video?
[06:35] <NobleArc> *won't
[06:35] <JDahl> JDigital, that's quite original: bringing gedit into an editor flamewar! cudos to you
[06:35] <billytwowilly> nano basically = pico..
[06:35] <dampjam> billytwowilly: correct
[06:35] <NobleArc> nano is pico .. to the MAX!
[06:35] <dampjam> only it's smaller
[06:35] <billytwowilly> and notepad destroys all;)
[06:35] <dampjam> ;)
[06:36] <Quest-Master> ScITE \m/
[06:36] <Hikaru79> If I have a computer that is dual-booting Ubuntu and Windows, and I want to get rid of Ubuntu, once I delete the partitions with Ubuntu on it, do I have to do anything to the boot record for it to automatically load Windows from now on?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> If gedit had auto-tabbing, I'd use it
[06:36] <JDigital> oh, I think I found java. neato.
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Yes
[06:36] <billytwowilly> fdisk mdr
[06:36] <knucks> anyone?
[06:36] <JDigital> I like nano
[06:36] <knucks> I cant get RealPlayer working in firefox
[06:36] <billytwowilly> But you should go the other way and get rid of windows;)
[06:36] <Hikaru79> I just do 'fdisk mdr'? That's it?
[06:36] <dampjam> Hikaru79: you can either leave it running grub, or put yoru windows disk in and have it repair the boot
[06:36] <JDigital> but I prefer gedit when it comes to GUI-based editors
[06:36] <Hikaru79> Ah
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: You'll need your Windows XP install CD, open up a Recovery console
[06:36] <Hikaru79> Okay =0
[06:36] <LinuxJones> Hikaru79, fdisk mbr ?
[06:37] <NobleArc> isn't it mbr.. o_o
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *=) That's not a problem
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Then type in fixmbr
[06:37] <JDigital> Ouch, I forgot that Java is 61MB
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *mbr
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: Then type in fixboot
[06:37] <JDigital> I once downloaded Java and split it onto fourteen disks to take it home
[06:37] <JDahl> JDigital, I hear you! my favorite editor is Notepad via Wine...
[06:37] <JDigital> that was fun
[06:37] <Hikaru79> fixboot or fixmbr?
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Hikaru79: And that will fix it all. :)
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Both.
[06:37] <NobleArc> sick. notepad.
[06:37] <Hikaru79> Oh, booth?
[06:37] <Hikaru79> *both?
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[06:37] <Hikaru79> Okay =) Thanks guys
[06:37] <JDigital> Gedit gives all the advantages of notepad, but with also extra functions.
[06:37] <JDahl> NobleArc, I was joking, of course
[06:37] <dampjam> I have a 1280x768 resolution and this: http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5371 works, but I was wondeirng if there was a "correct" way to do it, instead of patching the vbios
[06:37] <Quest-Master> fixboot usually isn't needed, but is in rare cases.
[06:37] <NobleArc> phew.
[06:37] <NobleArc> Scared me.
[06:38] <tritium> JDigital, I remember installing slackware off of 30+ floppies back in the day
[06:39] <dampjam> exit
[06:39] <NobleArc> ...
[06:40] <billytwowilly> Beat that;)
[06:40] <NobleArc> ..It's a contest now?
[06:40] <billytwowilly> To see who has done the lamest thing with linux;)
[06:40] <NobleArc> ah.
[06:40] <NobleArc> well if it's lame, I threw a Knoppix CD at my toaster and screamed: "LINUX TOASTER, HUZZAH!" .. That's pretty lame.
[06:40] <andrewski> billytwowilly: i think i'll let you win.
[06:41] <andrewski> NobleArc: that's just funny.
[06:41] <NobleArc> ah.
[06:41] <NobleArc> well, score.
[06:41] <NobleArc> I demand to be able to run Linux on my toaster. =\
[06:41] <andrewski> uh...
[06:41] <NobleArc> or my Apple ] [+.
[06:41] <billytwowilly> NobleArc wins...
[06:41] <NobleArc> .. or my Apple //c.
[06:41] <javiolo> anyone here use zircon ?
[06:43] <knucks> "added a symbolic link to nphelix.so
[06:43] <knucks> > and nphelix.xpt in that /opt/RealPlayer directory"
[06:43] <knucks> how do i do that?
[06:43] <NobleArc> Someone remind me never to order anything from TigerDirect again. -_-
[06:43] <knucks> the symbolic link thiung?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> NobleArc: :o Why?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> I was going to order some stuff from them
[06:44] <Tycho_Atreides> why, whatd tiger direct do
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Guess I won't now
[06:44] <NobleArc> I've been waiting two months for my video card now.
[06:44] <Quest-Master> :o!
[06:44] <NobleArc> I ordered it December 27th. -_-
[06:44] <Tycho_Atreides> o.
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Wow.
[06:44] <javiolo> anyone here use zircon ?
[06:44] <Quest-Master> That's.. a while.
[06:44] <NobleArc> My last order from them only took two weeks.
[06:44] <NobleArc> this?  Much longeer.
[06:44] <NobleArc> *longer
[06:44] <knucks> please
[06:44] <knucks> someone
[06:44] <NobleArc> mind you, this is TigerDirect.ca, so they might be different. :P
[06:45] <knucks> how do i add a symbolic link?
[06:45] <Tycho_Atreides> only two weeks? newegg usually takes about 3-4 days
[06:45] <snowblink> knucks: man ln
[06:45] <NobleArc> I can't use NewEgg, as far as I know, they no likey the Canadians.
[06:45] <Quest-Master> XD
[06:45] <Tycho_Atreides> that blows
[06:46] <NobleArc> all I want is my cheap cruddy GeForce 5200. =\  Anything is better than my 420 MX.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> whoa
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> dont buy that!
[06:46] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18369 <-- G3 Torrent for Ubuntu.. anybody interested in trying, feedback/bugs/comments would be appreciated. :)
[06:46] <NobleArc> it was $20 CDN, that's like $15 USD.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> youve gotta be able to get something better for not more money
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> oh ok
[06:46] <NobleArc> :P
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> $20 is ok
[06:46] <knucks> snowblink: would this be right: ln --symbolic /usr/bin/nphelix.so ?
[06:46] <NobleArc> It was on super-hella-secretive-no-one-knows-cept-everyone sale.
[06:46] <Tycho_Atreides> uh huh
[06:46] <Blissex> NobleArc: I'd suggest canceling the order for the 5200; 2 momnths it might have been still tolerable, there are better tjhings for the same moeny now.
[06:47] <snowblink> knucks: ln -s sourcefile newfile
[06:47] <Tycho_Atreides> better things.. for $15?
[06:47] <knucks> snowblink: ahhh ok thans
[06:47] <NobleArc> They wont /give/ me the money back.    I'll lose the cash.
[06:50] <billytwowilly> NobleArc, they'll deal quickly to unfreeze their paypal account.
[06:50] <NobleArc> eh, maybe.  Nothing I can do on the weekend, when I have a cold though.
[06:50] <NobleArc> >.<
[06:50] <NobleArc> I've only had two dealings with them. =\
[06:50] <billytwowilly> although I always pay credit card so I can reverse charges if they mess with me...
[06:50] <NobleArc> one alright -- and oh-so cheap! -- and one horrid. =(
[06:50] <BockBilbo> hello
[06:51] <BockBilbo> anyone here has installed wordpress in ubuntu from the apt universe repositories?
[06:51] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:51] <billytwowilly> BockBilbo, I did a long time ago...
[06:51] <jae686> hi
[06:51] <NobleArc> I prefer getting wp from their website.
[06:51] <BockBilbo> billytwowilly, did you have to do any simlink from the apache root directory to /usr/share/worpress ?
[06:52] <jae686> how can i setup VNP ?
[06:52] <jae686> erm vpn
[06:52] <zverj> after booting from ubuntu cd, chrooting to fedora partition, /dev folder is empty. how to get it back?
[06:52] <knucks> my plugins folder is read + execute only
[06:52] <BockBilbo> NobleArc, did you have any probs doing that?
[06:52] <NobleArc> Nope.
[06:52] <knucks> how do i move two files into it?
[06:53] <billytwowilly> BockBilbo, I don't think so. I can't remember though, sorry
[06:53] <BockBilbo> billytwowilly, thanks anyways
[06:53] <NobleArc> I haven't done it in ages though.  It was annoying the first time, but I was following a guide. :P
[06:54] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:54] <BockBilbo> and one last question
[06:54] <BockBilbo> whats the best dinamic addressing domain server service?
[06:55] <NobleArc> ..dynamic.
[06:55] <NobleArc> and I don't know.
[06:55] <BockBilbo> i mean... smthing like no-ip.or
[06:55] <BockBilbo> *org
[06:56] <NobleArc> Still don't know.
[06:56] <zverj> HOW to get /dev folder working after chrooting?
[06:56] <NobleArc> Don't know.
[06:57] <andrewski> how do i kill a program so that it starts again?
[06:57] <tck> kill process_id
[06:57] <andrewski> zverj: what are you doing?
[06:57] <jae686> how do you get the process id ?
[06:57] <andrewski> tck: no, that will just kill it; i want it to start again.
[06:57] <tck> whats the program
[06:57] <andrewski> tck: xfce4-panel
[06:58] <NobleArc> kill program && program?
[06:58] <tck> pidof xfce4-panel
[06:58] <snowblink> andrewski: kill -HUP id
[06:58] <andrewski> snowblink: thanks, that's it.
[06:58] <Xenguy> NobleArc: if you don't know the answer, please don't offer confusing advice
[06:58] <NobleArc> m'kay. =(
[06:58] <andrewski> Xenguy: you're not saying that to tck too?  sheesh.
[06:58] <zverj> andrewski, my fedora crashed, i booted ubuntu cd, mounted partition, chrooted to it, now trying to grub-install but seems no /dev entries exist
[06:58] <CarlK> md5sum --check of hoary-install-i386.iso: OK, but the "check CD" option says /dist/hoary/main/binary-i386/packages fails - any idea whats going on?
[06:58] <andrewski> oh boy.
[06:59] <tck> andrewski, pidof gets the program ID
[06:59] <Xenguy> andrewski: I can't be everywhere at once ;-)
[06:59] <tck> as jae686 asked
[06:59] <chillywilly> hello ubuntuers
[06:59] <andrewski> Xenguy: NobleArc put a question mark after his and tck didn't even answer my question.  why not just stop criticising?
[06:59] <tck> andrewski, just because we dont answer your question, dont mean you have to get an attitude
[07:00] <NobleArc> @_@;;
[07:00] <andrewski> tck: i just didn't like the way Xenguy criticised NobleArc's input.
[07:00] <NobleArc> Score, someone's standing up for me. :P
[07:00] <NobleArc> lol.
[07:01] <andrewski> lol
[07:01] <JDahl> tck, how about "all we need is love"?
[07:02] <tck> ive retired ;)
[07:02] <Xenguy> My apologies -- I didn't mean to single anyone out.  My message was intended to convey that it's better to offer help when you know you can help.  A guess once in awhile is helpful, but not constantly.  That's all :-)
[07:02] <tck> kill -1 id is better
[07:02] <tck> does same as kill -HUP id
[07:02] <NobleArc> It hasn't /been/ constant, it was just once. :0
[07:02] <andrewski> Xenguy: i agree with NobleArc.
[07:02] <andrewski> Xenguy: but no sweat.
[07:02] <NobleArc> Score, someone agrees with me. ^^
[07:03] <NobleArc> brb, need more water.
[07:03] <Xenguy> NobleArc: I've apologized, so don't let it worry you any further.  It was not personal.
[07:03] <NobleArc> ^^
[07:03] <andrewski> tck: neither one works for me.  the program is frozen; is there something else i should try?
[07:03] <tck> kill -9 id , will totally kill the program
[07:03] <tck> no way to block it
[07:04] <tck> then restart it
[07:04] <tck> if everything else fails
[07:04] <cwillu> why must programs close automatically every 30 seconds?
[07:04] <Xenguy> cwillu: can you be more specific?
[07:04] <noddaba> I've used Debian for years, today was my first time installing Ubuntu (Warty).  WHen running Debian, I was using unstable sources.  Would the equivalent in Ubuntu be Hoary?
[07:04] <cwillu> well... I'll be working in mozilla, or synaptic, or what-have-you, and it'll close
[07:05] <cwillu> i.e., disappear, no error, simply cease to be open
[07:05] <Xenguy> noddaba: pretty much, except that I think of Hoary as Experimental ;-)
[07:05] <tck> noddaba, prob. yes
[07:05] <noddaba> Xenguy, heh.  so then I shouldn't try dling the Hoary install CD's?  (and what is Array-6, btw?)
[07:05] <cwillu> Laptop, hoary, although warty had the same problem
[07:06] <tck> noddaba, array-6 is instable would it be ?
[07:06] <tck> s/instable/unstable
[07:06] <Xenguy> cwillu: That is very broken behaviour (I've never seen that before actually).  You need to check logs to see what's going on.  Or try start a program from a terminal window (command-line) and see if any errors appear there.
[07:06] <cwillu> which logs?
[07:06] <noddaba> tck, eh?  Array-6 is unstable?
[07:07] <Xenguy> noddaba: I can't offer any specific advice about Hoary - I don't use it.  Some people do tho I hear.
[07:07] <andrewski> tck: thanks; kill -9 was the only thing that worked. ;)
[07:07] <Xenguy> cwillu: see /var/log/...
[07:07] <tck> noddaba, well its the latest test version before the pre-release
[07:07] <cwillu> thx
[07:08] <noddaba> tck, is "Array 6" the codename for Hoary?
[07:08] <Xenguy> cwillu: yw
[07:08] <tck> noddaba, nope hoary is the codename for hoary
[07:08] <noddaba> lol, ok, so I ask again.  What is "Array 6", i see it in the room title :)
[07:08] <tck> it will be release as 5.04 afaik
[07:09] <tck> year 2005, 4th month i.e. april release
[07:09] <snowblink> noddaba: Arrays are the names of the release candidates. Arrays of Hedghogs...
[07:09] <noddaba> Ahhhh
[07:09] <noddaba> snowblink, thanks :)
[07:09] <CarlK> trying to install hoary - both normal and server error with "load installer compents from CD" - anyone know how I can work around this?
[07:09] <tck> noddaba, think of it as a progress meter
[07:10] <rattboi> hey, I just installed k3b
[07:10] <cwillu> Xenguy:  is there a particular log file I should be looking at?
[07:10] <rattboi> is there a way to make qt look like gtk theme?
[07:11] <Quest-Master> rattboi: You could theme it and try to make it look like GTK, I suppose.
[07:11] <BockBilbo> no-one knows a good DDNS server?
[07:11] <tck> dyndns.org
[07:12] <Xenguy> cwillu: it depends on your application really, and on the type of problem.  You would need to explore a bit.  For example you could do 'ls -ltr' to see which files are most recent (appearing at the bottom of the screen).  If I were you tho, I'd open a terminal window, type 'mozilla' and then watch for any error messages to appear.  That would give you a starting point, maybe a few more clues.
[07:13] <cwillu> okay..., so keep doing what I've been doing
[07:13] <Xenguy> cwillu: /var/log/messages is a good general file to check, as is /var/log/syslog
[07:14] <cwillu> ya, ran into those two, didn't see anything specific to the programs I was running
[07:14] <cwillu> powernow:  This is indicative of a broken BIOS.
[07:14] <BockBilbo> thanks
[07:14] <Xenguy> cwillu: the truth is out there :-)
[07:15] <cwillu> so I've been told
[07:15] <cwillu> does this sound like broken bios behaviour?
[07:15] <jae686> does anyone knowswere i can get the fix for the baterry issue on asus M6N laptops?
[07:16] <cwillu> does sudo swallow output?
[07:16] <tck> jae686, you tried the wiki ?
[07:17] <knucks> how do i change my rootpassword?
[07:17] <tck> knucks, sudo passwd root
[07:17] <knucks> thanks tck
[07:17] <tck> cwillu, yes
[07:17] <knucks> tck: im on a fresh install now. all my stuffs gone :(
[07:18] <tck> if you have identified
[07:18] <cwillu> doh
[07:18] <tck> it should return 0
[07:18] <cwillu> i.e., if I do sudo synaptic I'm not going to see any output from synaptic
[07:18] <knucks> Im getting errors on k3bv
[07:19] <knucks> er, k3b
[07:19] <tck> cwillu, synaptic doesnt show errors in the shell anyways
[07:19] <knucks> Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found
[07:20] <knucks> whats that mean
[07:20] <jae686> tck : y, i'm still seraching but found anything yet
[07:20] <cwillu> I'm trying to troubleshoot applications closing on their own
[07:20] <tck> s/erros/anything
[07:20] <cwillu> synaptic is only an example, but it has done it
[07:20] <devdude> Has anyone had problems with Synergy under Hoary? Cant connect to server.
[07:20] <rattboi> knucks, run it with sudo first
[07:20] <tck> cwillu, are you getting any errors or are you just saying
[07:20] <knucks> rattboi: run k3b w/ sudo?
[07:20] <rattboi> yeah
[07:20] <cwillu> Program (mozilla, nautilus, synaptic, etc) just closes
[07:20] <rattboi> I just did
[07:20] <rattboi> did you just install it?
[07:21] <tck> cwillu, are you using sudo
[07:21] <tck> try sudo -K
[07:21] <cwillu> yes, although not for mozilla
[07:21] <tck> then retry, sudo program and enter your pass
[07:21] <rattboi> wow, k3b rules
[07:21] <rattboi> took like 3 seconds, and I'm burning a DVD
[07:22] <knucks> I just got a long list of error for k3b
[07:22] <snowblink> cwillu: Is this recent? Does the same thing happen if you restart X?
[07:22] <knucks> but it did load
[07:22] <cwillu> ever since I installed ubuntu
[07:22] <cwillu> persists through reboots, updates, etc
[07:22] <snowblink> cwillu: hoary or warty?
[07:22] <cwillu> either, but I'm on hoary now
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: ERROR: filesharelist not found in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin: /usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/sbin
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name passed to  the constructor!
[07:22] <knucks> k3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /root/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist. xml
[07:22] <cwillu> beware, I'm on a laptop,
[07:23] <knucks> last three errors on k3b
[07:23] <snowblink> cwillu: me too. I'm running warty though.
[07:23] <cwillu> I started with that, was getting the same issue
[07:23] <snowblink> cwillu: what's the load like?
[07:23] <rattboi> hmm
[07:23] <rattboi> dvd burning is really killing my system
[07:23] <cwillu> good question
[07:23] <rattboi> speedwise
[07:23] <rattboi> max cpu
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: also check your disk space.
[07:24] <cwillu> plenty... 20 gig partition, 1 gig swap
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: lots free?
[07:24] <snowblink> cwillu: I'd check your RAM next
[07:25] <cwillu> 512 mb... I'd be surprised
[07:25] <cwillu> or you mem memchk86
[07:25] <cwillu> mean
[07:25] <snowblink> cwillu: possibly bad RAM - just throwing out ideas
[07:26] <knucks> do my errors mean anything bad?
[07:26] <cwillu> could be, I've been suspicious before, but memchk always came back clear
[07:26] <snowblink> knucks: should you be running that as root?
[07:26] <knucks> i did
[07:26] <snowblink> knucks: why?
[07:27] <knucks> tck told me to
[07:27] <cwillu> memories at 94 in use/56 in cache
[07:27] <cwillu> load average 11%
[07:27] <CarlK> dd if=/dev/hdc of=hdc.iso, md5sum hdc.iso = bbaf920d5fba57a97c340cd83c6456e0 (what it should be) and yet the install is saying "fails md5sum check" -  - same CD works fine on a laptop
[07:27] <tck> tck told you to what
[07:27] <CarlK> oh yeah, still tryig to install hoary
[07:27] <tck> you asked me hwo to change the root pass, and i told you, sudo passwd root
[07:28] <lizdeika> anyone noticed 2D slowdown after hoary got xorg version 6.8.2 ?
[07:28] <andrewski> lizdeika: i've not noticed any slowdown.
[07:28] <cwillu> I'm seeing Gtk-CRITICAL **:  gtk-tree-view-unref-tree-helper: assertion 'node !=null' failed errors
[07:29] <knucks> no
[07:29] <cwillu> but its still runnign
[07:29] <knucks> like
[07:29] <knucks> i ran k3b
[07:29] <knucks> and i got errors
[07:29] <andrewski> knucks: you should not need to run k3b as root.
[07:29] <CarlK> woa... segfault in the install... anyone here want to debug this?
[07:29] <knucks> how do i start it up?
[07:29] <knucks> it wont show up in my apps meny
[07:29] <lizdeika> my 2.6gz with radeon 9600xt feels like 233mhz with s3 1mb video card. :/
[07:29] <knucks> menu*
[07:29] <andrewski> knucks: as your regular user.
[07:29] <snowblink> cwillu: that doesn't sound good...
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: in a terminal window, run k3b.
[07:30] <knucks> ok
[07:30] <devdude> Anyone here using synergy?
[07:30] <knucks> but i still get errors in my terminal
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: ok, what are they?
[07:30] <cwillu> m'thinks I'm going to rebuild, and if I don't get this working today, it's back to xp for another week
[07:30] <knucks> theres a lot
[07:30] <andrewski> knucks: #paste
[07:31] <andrewski> knucks: paste them there
[07:31] <andrewski> knucks: that looks like a problem with your icon theme.
[07:32] <cwillu> !!!!!!!!!!11
[07:32] <cwillu> everybloody one of my cd's are cracked!
[07:32] <cwillu> :(
[07:32] <Dr_willis> hmm
[07:32] <snowblink> cwillu: elephants?
[07:33] <cwillu> heh... no, I noticed about 5 or six whe I got my cd's in the mail
[07:33] <ompaul> cwillu, guess it is off down the shop and buy a new batch :(
[07:33] <cwillu> first one worked fine
[07:33] <cwillu> (i.e., the machine I'm typing on here was off that, no problems)
[07:33] <andrewski> knucks: so it looks like a problem with your icon theme; are you using the default?
[07:33] <cwillu> just looks like a stain on the surface;  almost like putting it in my laptop drive causes enough strain to kill them
[07:34] <knucks> i think so
[07:34] <andrewski> knucks: do you get that error in other apps?
[07:34] <knucks> hold on let me change to a different one
[07:34] <knucks> no
[07:34] <cwillu> still seems odd though, seeing as I did an upgrade
[07:34] <andrewski> knucks: and that keeps k3b from running?
[07:34] <cwillu> oh well... back to xp with me
[07:34] <knucks> nope
[07:34] <knucks> k3b still loads
[07:35] <andrewski> knucks: ok, then i wouldn't worry about it too much and i would go to #kde and ask about it.  but, you should be ok to run k3b.
[07:35] <knucks> ok
[07:35] <knucks> but k3b doesnt show up in my apps menu
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: many apps don't; i would file a bugreport on bugzilla.ubuntu.org about it.
[07:36] <knucks> ko
[07:36] <knucks> ok
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: you're in kde or gnome?
[07:36] <knucks> gnome
[07:36] <andrewski> knucks: ok, i'd mention that, because that may be the "reason"... albeit a bad one.
[07:36] <knucks> ok
[07:36] <knucks> so my next question..
[07:36] <knucks> i got two folders
[07:36] <knucks> how do i delete them through the terminal?
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: rm name-of-folder
[07:37] <knucks> thanks
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: sorry, rmdir
[07:37] <knucks> aight thanks
[07:37] <knucks> what if its not empty?
[07:37] <andrewski> knucks: if they have contents, you'll have to do rm -rf, but that will force remove everything in them, so only use it when you're sure of what you're doing.
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: i wondered if you'd ask before i got done typing that. :)
[07:38] <cwillu> stupid windows
[07:38] <knucks> hah :D
[07:38] <andrewski> cwillu: ?
[07:38] <cwillu> explorer is _just_ about running so I can click on things
[07:38] <knucks> so rmdir -rf folder ?
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: no, rm -rf folder
[07:38] <cwillu> need to do _something_ to burn an ubuntu cd, seeing as the pressed cd's are garbage :(
[07:38] <andrewski> knucks: rmdir only works if the dir is empty.
[07:39] <knucks> ahh ok
[07:39] <andrewski> cwillu: you just got them in the mail?
[07:39] <cwillu> 'bout a week ago
[07:39] <cwillu> first one seemed okay (but it was only used in a fairly slow tray cd drive
[07:39] <andrewski> cwillu: and they were cracked when you got them?
[07:40] <cwillu> well, they've been sitting upright on a shelf since then :)
[07:40] <cwillu> so I can only assume so
[07:40] <snowblink> cwillu: I think they're sending out hoary mid-april
[07:41] <cwillu> cd drive in my laptop's got one of those 'push it on the spindle' drives, so that may have exasperated the situation, but 6-7 never left the folders
[07:41] <cwillu> is there a bittorrent mirror for warty?
[07:42] <cwillu> neverind, I'm blind
[07:42] <Aivaras> :))
[07:42] <cwillu> and azereus...
[07:42] <LinuxJones> cwillu, >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[07:43] <cwillu> ompaul:  heh... that's what I thought
[07:44] <StoffBox-Steve> where are the PannelMenus storet on the harddrive?
[07:45] <CarlK> hoary install: Mar  5 13:36:12 main-menu[4976] : (process:10515): Segmentation fault  - last 177 lines of syslog with debugging turned on: http://paste.phpfi.com/53498
[07:45] <cwillu> and 2.5 megabits, here we go
[07:46] <ompaul> cwillu, I do expect the mouse of darkness other than that nothing too bad, I have an almost identical
[07:47] <cwillu> I first got worried when I saw "uninstalling gdm:  success!"
[07:47] <Venker> hi there
[07:48] <Aivaras> by
[07:49] <ompaul> reboot needed brb
[07:53] <drspin> Could anyone help me try and figure out why my sound isn't working?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> drspin,  often the sound volumes are totally muted. to begin with.
[07:54] <Dr_willis> drspin,  this a clean install?
[07:55] <drspin> Dr_willis: it is a hoary update from a fresh Warty install... on a Dual Celeron box --
[07:55] <CarlK> here aer some tips - if you have more, please get them added: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:55] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* nautilus say applications:/// issnt a folder or file
[07:55] <airox> Is kernel-image-2.6-386 the default kernel off ubuntu warty ?
[07:55] <drspin> CarlK: thanks!!!
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Dual Celeron.. gesh i dident teven think that was possible...
[07:55] <danny666> hi@all
[07:55] <airox> hi danny666
[07:55] <drspin> Dr_willis: yup sure is :) an overfclockers dream!!! :) :)
[07:56] <danny666> could somebody help me with a sound problem
[07:56] <CarlK> drspin - don't get too excited until you get sound ;)
[07:56] <CarlK> here aer some tips - if you have more, please get them added: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:56] <CarlK> danny666  - don't get too excited until you get sound ;)
[07:56] <danny666> i have sound
[07:56] <danny666> but only 2 channels
[07:56] <airox> Which kernel would I have to install to get the improvements off a 686 machine ?
[07:57] <airox> kernel-image-2.6-686 ?
[07:57] <Blissex> airox: that's OK. The improvements are not massive, unless you are doing some specific stuff.
[07:58] <airox> Blissex: Would it be worth the risk off installing the kernel mentioned above ?
[07:58] <Blissex> airox: the risk is very low though.
[07:58] <snowblink> airox: I believe kernel* are debian kernels
[07:58] <StoffBox-Steve> *arg* nautilus say applications:/// issnt a folder or file << SOMEONE an idea why ? or where the Appmenus are so i can edit them ?
[07:58] <snowblink> airox: go for linux-686
[07:58] <Blissex> CarlK: I have already written a massive page on that: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#troubleshooting
[07:58] <airox> snowblink: hmm ...
[07:59] <airox> snowblink: Yep, you are right. But I also found kernel-image-2.6-686 as package names.
[07:59] <airox> And heh, I'm a debian guy :)
[08:00] <snowblink> airox: look for image* for ubuntu ones
[08:00] <airox> Btw, I read somewhere that ubuntu does have boot logo's, but not enabled by default. Is this true ?
[08:01] <airox> Or grub themes ../
[08:01] <snowblink> airox: not in warty
[08:01] <snowblink> airox: anyway, how often do you intend to reboot?
[08:01] <thekoreuk> if i keep up to date with synaptic am i updating from warty to hoary.. or do i need to re-install to get hoary :s ?
[08:01] <airox> Can I enable them ?
[08:01] <zenrox> airox,  ya not in warty and not in hoary either
[08:01] <airox> snowblink: It's not a server :)
[08:01] <zenrox> airox,  its not done yet
[08:02] <airox> hmm, oke to bad
[08:05] <drspin> I don't have lspnp :-/
[08:05] <Quest-Master> How do I change how my mouse looks?
[08:05] <Quest-Master> There are X11 Mouse themes at Gnome-Look, but I don't know how to change them
[08:06] <airox> I see ubuntu automagically adds the linux-686 kernel to the grub menu. Would I need to do anything more ?
[08:06] <airox> Or is there some documentation about this process ?
[08:07] <rattboi> who's running hoary?
[08:08] <rattboi> I can't seem to make a launcher on the desktop
[08:08] <rattboi> I go through the steps, and nothing happens
[08:09] <zenrox> rattboi,  have you restarted x
[08:09] <drspin> I just modprobe snd_pcm -- then aplay -l returns no soundcards found
[08:10] <lok_> Does someone know if a partition ext3 largefile  (1 inode by MB) can slow down the write speed on that partition ?
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> *ahh* can nobody tell me where the F********** Gnome menus are ?
[08:12] <rattboi> zenrox, no
[08:12] <rattboi> I need to?
[08:12] <rattboi> that's crazy
[08:12] <zenrox> rattboi,  you might
[08:13] <rattboi> yeah, they're there
[08:13] <rattboi> I have to restart X for that...
[08:13] <rattboi> stupid
[08:13] <zenrox> thats all you need to do then
[08:13] <Quest-Master> StoffBox-Steve: Hoary or Warty?
[08:13] <StoffBox-Steve> hoary upgradet form warty Quest-Master
[08:13] <rattboi> zenrox, can I restart X without restarting all apps?
[08:13] <zenrox> rattboi,  nope
[08:14] <rattboi> yeah, so that sucks
[08:14] <Quest-Master> StoffBox-Steve: Ok, which Gnome menus? The ones for the applications?
[08:14] <zenrox> alt+ crtl+ backspace is as best as it gets rattboi
[08:14] <rattboi> applications:/// in nautilus doesn't work anymore?
[08:14] <StoffBox-Steve> yes Quest-Master the default menu on the pannel i what to short it new
[08:14] <rattboi> how do I edit my gnome menu?
[08:14] <Quest-Master> rattboi: COrrect
[08:14] <universal> hello all, have i nice evening
[08:14] <zenrox> rattboi,  thats in hoary
[08:14] <StoffBox-Steve> no appli dosnt work for me ... says no floder or file
[08:15] <Quest-Master> There's a method of editing menus
[08:15] <Quest-Master> I can't remember, let me find it, one sec.
[08:15] <Zer0G> rattboi: u can create a *.desktop file manually
[08:15] <StoffBox-Steve> Quest-Master  my hero ;)
[08:15] <cwillu> and download done... can I make a cd without a crack in it?  We will see.....
[08:15] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  dont you have to make your desktop files in like some dir under /usr
[08:16] <Zer0G> it should be /usr/share something
[08:16] <zenrox> Zer0G,  ya something like that
[08:17] <cwillu> and a nice peaceful 8x burn...
[08:17] <lok_> Does someone know if a partition ext3 largefile  (1 inode by MB) can slow down the write speed on that partition ?
[08:17] <zenrox> lok_,  no it shouldent unless the hdd is compleatly filled
[08:18] <lok_> ok thanks zenrox
[08:18] <Quest-Master> It's actually pretty hard to do right now
[08:18] <Quest-Master> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18034
[08:19] <StoffBox-Steve> thx for the link :)
[08:19] <Quest-Master> No problem
[08:19] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  read the forums and learn to search them it has tones of info
[08:20] <cwillu> has anybody written a nice front-end for launching apps on a remote machine onto a local x server?
[08:20] <cwillu> i.e., instead of the remote xterm approach?
[08:20] <zenrox> cwillu, try doinf a ssh -Y -l yournick then.you.ip
[08:20] <zenrox> then type in the command
[08:21] <cwillu> dumb question, does that work out of the box, assuming that the x server itself will allow connections?
[08:21] <StoffBox-Steve> zenrox, dont tell me that, i know it ;) ... i use google 20min ... and im just frustrated ... the #gnome channel is ****
[08:22] <zenrox> StoffBox-Steve,  so it #nvidia
[08:22] <zenrox> it=is
[08:22] <zenrox> lol
[08:22] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[08:22] <zenrox> thoes chanels expect you to RTFM!!
[08:22] <zenrox> witch i have
[08:22] <zenrox> lol
[08:23] <zenrox> cwillu,  yes
[08:23] <cwillu> so I shouldn't see "Connection refused?"  :p
[08:23] <Xenguy> cwillu: try it out - it should work.  If you need it to work cross-platform, a newish technology called FreeNX is one option worth exploring
[08:23] <Venker> someone knows when Hoary is bein stable (instead of Warty)?
[08:23] <ompaul> Venker, april
[08:23] <drspin> Venker -- April
[08:23] <Venker> ok, thanks
[08:23] <zenrox> cwillu,  no you shouldent see that
[08:24] <Xenguy> cwillu: for that error, checkout your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:24] <Venker> I was waiting for March  ;)
[08:24] <cwillu> 'cause I see it :p
[08:24] <zenrox> cwillu,  do you have the ssh server set up on that bax
[08:24] <zenrox> bax=box
[08:24] <cwillu> that would be why I asked about "out of the box" :p
[08:24] <cwillu> heh
[08:24] <Xenguy> cwillu: you need to enable X forwarding I think
[08:24] <zenrox> Xenguy, i dont have that enabled
[08:24] <cwillu> I don't need to worry about encryption on the x itself
[08:25] <cwillu> i.e., I'm planning on running this over a tap/openvpn virtual network
[08:25] <cwillu> I've got the x session working to another machine
[08:25] <drspin> cwillu why not just VNC?
[08:25] <zenrox> cwillu,  then make shure the ssh server is installed on that box
[08:26] <cwillu> because vnc only gives you that picture-in-picture look
[08:26] <cwillu> I use vnc all the time, but what I really want is to mix local and remote on the same desktop, transparently
[08:26] <zenrox> cwillu,  another way is enable the xdmcp in the gdm and use tsclient to connect to it like you would and get a gdm login
[08:26] <cwillu> anybody here ever use citrix?
[08:27] <Xenguy> cwillu: just a suggestion in case yer still having problems at all: man sshd_config and read the section on 'X11Forwarding'
[08:27] <cwillu> :p
[08:27] <cwillu> I can get xterm up, I can start remote apps
[08:27] <snowblink> X Forwarding is enabled by default
[08:27] <cwillu> I want a nice front end for it, that's all,
[08:27] <cwillu> xnest, xdmcp et al is not what I'm looking for
[08:27] <zenrox> cwillu,  just an idea
[08:27] <cwillu> Citrix Program Neighborhood would be close though
[08:28] <cwillu> but I don't think you guys know what the heck I'm talking about :)
[08:28] <zenrox> i use ssh -Y -l  and i run my xchat thauru it
[08:28] <Xenguy> snowblink: if true, that is the opposite of Debian then (and I doubt it is a good idea actually - JMHO tho)
[08:28] <cwillu> but ssh is probably close enough to get started writing a front end
[08:28] <zenrox> cwillu,  you might find a front end on www.sf.net
[08:29] <zenrox> using ssh
[08:29] <snowblink> Xenguy: I was surprised too.
[08:29] <Xenguy> cwillu: you want to run windows apps remotely and serve them up to your linux system?  Or something different?
[08:29] <StoffBox-Steve> hmm i have both Gnome as Standart and KDE just for playing around :) .. but in Gnome must of the KDE symbols dosnt show up! any help for that ?
[08:29] <zenrox> as its underpinning
[08:30] <cwillu> I want to run linux apps remotely and serve them up to my linux desktop (i.e., not a dumb client)
[08:30] <snowblink> cwillu: ssh -X remoteprogram is probably the fastest way
[08:31] <cwillu> ya, that's what I'm thinking
[08:31] <ompaul> okay just went from warty to hoary in the main what I have used seems okay, just two comments and I will write these up later, the mouse has changed, this also happened to a box that was array 5 at startup and was upgraded yesterday, the second and more worrying one is the fact that there is no comment in /etc/apt/sources.list which points me to a `proper` hoary sources.list that might be useful and the second thing is the obvious fail
[08:31] <ompaul> ing of changing security.ubuntu.com these things just should not happen :) but other than that I am happy
[08:31] <zenrox> snowblink,  whats the full lay out for that
[08:31] <cwillu> next, is there an easy way to force X to only listen on a specific _adapter_?
[08:31] <Xenguy> cwillu: yes, that is the simplest/best idea
[08:31] <snowblink> zenrox: for what?
[08:31] <zenrox> snowblink,  the ssh -X
[08:32] <zenrox> whares the username ip of the box etc...
[08:32] <cwillu> I suppose all that's really neccessary is a link to a (for example) remote nautilus window containing the apps the user could run
[08:32] <snowblink> zenrox: ssh -X remotebox remoteprogram (more stuff if you're not using keys)
[08:32] <Xenguy> cwillu: did you say you had ssh -X working, or no?
[08:33] <snowblink> zenrox: A nice tip from Linux hacks was to set up a quick script. So I can type remotemachine -X remoteprogram
[08:33] <cwillu> no, but I had an xterm, I don't have two machines up at the moment
[08:33] <cwillu> but I am familiar with the concept
[08:33] <drspin> ssh -X remoteprogname<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:33] <zenrox> snowblink,  give me and exampole script
[08:33] <cwillu> and I'm also familiar with how an end user will be stumped by anything command line :p
[08:34] <snowblink> #!/bin/sh
[08:34] <snowblink> ssh `basename $0` $*
[08:34] <pebkac> had anyone had any corrupt cd problems with the kubuntu tests?
[08:34] <zenrox> snowblink,  paste it in a msg
[08:35] <snowblink> Then create symbolic links
[08:35] <snowblink> zenrox: that's it. ;)
[08:35] <zenrox> just 2 lines
[08:35] <cwillu> ....and we have a lockup (back to the laptop install)
[08:35] <Blissex> snowblink: read a bit more on how to write shell scripts :-)
[08:35] <snowblink> zenrox: yes
[08:35] <zenrox> shit
[08:35] <pebkac> every cd i've burned has been corrupt in the same spot.
[08:35] <zenrox> thats easy
[08:35] <cwillu> linux noacpi?
[08:35] <pebkac> ./docs/install/manual/en/ch03.html
[08:35] <pebkac> so i go in and remove it, and it STILL says it's corrupt in the same spot.
[08:36] <snowblink> Blissex: actually this is from the ORA Linux Hacks. What problem do you have with it?
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> i have a qwuedstion
[08:36] <cwillu> what's a qwuedstion?
[08:36] <Rocco> ask
[08:36] <Blissex> snowblink: several... and dont believe everything you read on the web or in OReilly books. There are so many ignoramuses out there.
[08:36] <zenrox> snowblink,  and the basename id assume = the pc's name
[08:36] <zenrox> or ip
[08:36] <shadeofgrey> is there any way to make xchat behave like mirc and allow multiple windows? because i can open lots of windows but it wont let me make them different sizes so i can see more than one at once
[08:37] <JDahl> shadeofgrey, right click channel tab, and "detach"?
[08:37] <snowblink> Blissex: okay, I'm guessing the first line is okay. How would you write the second?
[08:37] <shadeofgrey> and im at a phase in my current work schedule where i have to be able to see multiple windows at once
[08:37] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"" ${1+"$@"}
[08:37] <shadeofgrey> okay
[08:38] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"` ${1+"$@"}
[08:38] <Blissex> snowblink: a better version would be: exec ssh "`basename \"$0\"`" ${1+"$@"}
[08:38] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know whether mirc wil run on ubuntu thru wine
[08:38] <shadeofgrey> or is there an mirc clone available under a diffgerent name?
[08:38] <cwillu> why must I lock up?
[08:38] <Rocco> hey guys! hast anyone gdesklets running?
[08:38] <drspin> shadeofgray WHY would you want to run Mirc
[08:38] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: just use one of a million really good Linux IRC clients...
[08:39] <Quest-Master> X-Chat. \m/
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> okay so whats an AWESOME linuxc irc client?
[08:39] <zenrox> shadeofgrey, xchat
[08:39] <Quest-Master> X-Chat!
[08:39] <drspin> LOL
[08:39] <apokryphos> konversatioin
[08:39] <snowblink> zenrox: ln -s thatscript nameofremotehost
[08:39] <drspin> bitchX
[08:39] <apokryphos> *konversation
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> xchat isnt even mediocre
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> bitchx
[08:39] <shadeofgrey> that might work
[08:40] <Quest-Master> :P
[08:40] <rattboi> how do I install a theme?
[08:40] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: depends on what you regard as AWESOME. Ease of use? Power? lots of plugins? Cool/colored GUI
[08:40] <rattboi> I got one and had to compile it?
[08:40] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: konversation is the way to go ;-).
[08:40] <rattboi> but now I don't know how to install it
[08:40] <Quest-Master> rattboi
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Really easy
[08:40] <drspin> I just use Gaim
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> cool color and gui with power to run customized scripts
[08:40] <cwillu> I lock up around "choose your location"
[08:40] <snowblink> Blissex: will take a look at that. Cheers,
[08:40] <cwillu> sometimes after, sometimes before
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme
[08:40] <Quest-Master> Then, Install Theme
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> okay cant stand it another minute. must reboot into ubuntu
[08:40] <shadeofgrey> BRB
[08:41] <Quest-Master> And type in the directory of where you untarred the theme
[08:41] <rattboi> Quest-Master, I did that and pointed it to the theme .bz2
[08:41] <Blissex> shadeofgrey: also try Chatzilla under Mozilla/Firefox.
[08:41] <airox> Is there some package that provides some utilities for gnome in combo with bluetooth ?
[08:41] <Quest-Master> No
[08:41] <airox> :(
[08:41] <Quest-Master> Don't point it to the .bz2, rattboi
[08:41] <avirox> lol
[08:41] <avirox> hey
[08:41] <Quest-Master> Point it to the directory, rattboi
[08:41] <rattboi> ok
[08:41] <avirox> thought that was me talking
[08:41] <queuetue> Where is the "system bell sound" defined?  I want to replace the drum hit every time I hit tab in bash with something more subtle, but can't find the right setting in sounds...  The "whump" every time I use tab-completion is driving every onenuts.
[08:42] <avirox> where can i access the things i installed using synaptic?
[08:42] <airox> avirox: hehehe
[08:42] <rattboi> Quest-Master, didn't work...
[08:42] <rattboi> it won't let me just choose the folder
[08:42] <rattboi> it wants a file in the folder
[08:42] <apokryphos> avirox: from the menu, or from terminal or alt + F2
[08:42] <Quest-Master> rattboi: Click the index.theme
[08:43] <cwillu> I almost _want_ memchk86 to give me errors
[08:43] <avirox> what menu?
[08:43] <rattboi> Quest-Master, the message I got from the theme.bz2 before was "This theme is an engine, you ahve to compile it"
[08:43] <avirox> also i dont see it in the "run progra" thignie
[08:43] <rattboi> so I did "./configure, make, make install"
[08:43] <avirox> *thingie
[08:43] <Quest-Master> rattboi: Oh, never mind then.. no idea on how to do engines, hehe
[08:43] <apokryphos> avirox: what are you trying to run?
[08:43] <rattboi> it definitely was doing stuff, because I had to get the gtk+ dev packages
[08:43] <avirox> xmms and wine
[08:43] <avirox> none of them are in "run program"
[08:44] <cwillu> pass:  2%
[08:44] <rattboi> avirox, xmms is easy
[08:44] <avirox> but i installed them through synaptic
[08:44] <rattboi> synaptic, yeah
[08:44] <pebkac> ew, xmms.
[08:44] <cwillu> oo!!  3%!!!
[08:44] <apokryphos> avirox: if you install xmms, then alt + f2 will certainly turn up xmms
[08:44] <apokryphos> avirox: wine works by running it with ohter things; i.e. a Windoze .exe
[08:44] <avirox> how can i access wine tho
[08:45] <apokryphos> by opening the program with wine...
[08:45] <queuetue> Please, someone - how do I replace the "system bell" sound?
[08:45] <andrewski> someone said there was xfce 4.2 in hoary, but i don't see it.  can anyone confirm?
[08:45] <Quest-Master> queuetue: Easy. Hoary or Warty?
[08:45] <queuetue> Quazion, Hoary
[08:45] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Hoary.
[08:46] <Quest-Master> Ok
[08:46] <apokryphos> I don't see it there
[08:46] <Quest-Master> System -> Preferences -> Sound
[08:46] <Quest-Master> System Bell
[08:46] <Quest-Master> queuetue: Then change it from there
[08:46] <queuetue> Quest-Master, You can't change it there.
[08:47] <Quest-Master> You can't?
[08:47] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Or at least *my* install doesn't let me change it there...
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Let me check
[08:47] <apokryphos> There might be an extra repository with it in "testing" running around, but it doesn't seem to be in any of the main ones.
[08:47] <queuetue> Quest-Master, (you are the fifth person to tell meot change it there.)
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Wow, looks like they removed it queutue
[08:47] <Quest-Master> *queuetue
[08:47] <Quest-Master> Sorry
[08:47] <Quest-Master> :\
[08:48] <queuetue> Quest-Master, So ... How do I change it?  whump whump whumop ...  How do the rest of you stand it?
[08:48] <Quest-Master> queuetue: I just turn it off
[08:48] <cwillu> any suggestions if the cd installer crashse?
[08:48] <avirox> hmm ok i still cant fine Wine lol
[08:49] <avirox> i found xmms
[08:49] <avirox> is wine in /usr/bin or sommit?
[08:49] <cwillu> I've tried noapic/nolapic/noapci in all their permutations
[08:49] <queuetue> Quest-Master, Gah.  I was hoping I could put in a simple, subtle click or a quiet ding...
[08:49] <CarlK> queuetue - never ending drums on startup?
[08:49] <queuetue> CarlK, No, the system bell - can't figure out how to change it.
[08:50] <CarlK> queuetue - ah - my warty install has a problem playing .wav - it loops forever
[08:51] <CarlK> so on boot, there is something like startup.wav that must be 2 seconds of bongos, but it loops
[08:51] <paperclip> CarlK: heh.. that's humane =)
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> i installed bitchx - but it didnt put any icons anywhere on my system
[08:52] <paperclip> i'd like to figure out why my samsung ml-4500 doesn't work for crap.. i really need to print some stuff..
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> so how the hell do i run it?
[08:52] <shadeofgrey> im not even sure where everything was installed
[08:53] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: open a terminal
[08:53] <CarlK> it wound;t be so bad, but it is what I setup for my gf to use for school, and she doesn't exactly like the bongos
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  i have one too.  you just have to set it in printing prefs it should work fine
[08:53] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: an ml-4500?  i've tried setting it up a few times.. with both 300 and 600 dpi
[08:53] <pebkac> er.
[08:53] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  your talking a samsung ml-4500 right?
[08:53] <pebkac> bitchx won't put icons anywhere; it's a terminal app.
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> it has NO icons or anything?
[08:54] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: type `which bitchx`
[08:54] <shadeofgrey> how gay is that
[08:54] <pebkac> ...
[08:54] <pebkac> see, back before the magical world of GUI, we had this thing called the console.
[08:54] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: yes.. samsung ml-4500 ... yours works perfectly, eh?
[08:54] <pebkac> and what we would do is, we would run this magical command called "screen."
[08:54] <andrewski> pebkac: lol
[08:54] <paperclip> hmm.. maybe i can force a reinstall of cups..
[08:54] <pebkac> and could load up all sorts of enchanting little programs.
[08:55] <pebkac> one of these being "BitchX"
[08:55] <shadeofgrey> paperclip:  hang on
[08:55] <pebkac> you don't need icons in a console, hence the lack of icons.
[08:55] <paperclip> pebkac: you could have icons tho.. for some people..
[08:55] <pebkac> you can make one, fairly simply.
[08:56] <paperclip> i know that..
[08:56] <pebkac> there's really no logical reason to create an icon for bitchx when you have xhcat, sirc, et. al. for GUI chat.
[08:56] <paperclip> =)
[08:56] <shadeofgrey> hey paper -- i forgot to tell you.  samsung actually has a linux driver for the ml-4500
[08:57] <paperclip> why do people use ubuntu without gnome..
[08:57] <shadeofgrey> i havent the slightest clue
[08:57] <apokryphos> paperclip: so we can use kde
[08:57] <andrewski> paperclip: or xfce
[08:57] <paperclip> shadeofgrey: i tried the ppd file from linuxprinting.org