[00:10] <teo_> Hi
[00:10] <teo_> i have ubuntu 15:10 and would like to have silverlight
[00:11] <teo_> I installed pipeline  and enabled silverlight5.1 but dont work
[00:11] <OerHeks> install google chrome for flash with drm support, like netflix and such
[00:11] <teo_> so enabled silverlight 5.0 and still dont work after restart FF
[00:12] <teo_> google chrome for flash?
[00:12] <burdickjp> I'm in the process of starting an unpriveleged gentoo container. It's not connecting the containers virtual interface to the client side vlan. I don't have an /etc/lxc/lxc.conf to see what ubuntu was using for defaults for this. Can someone paste their /etc/lxc/lxc.conf?
[00:13] <pkircher> anyone had problems with a p400 raid controller and ubuntu 15-10 ?
[00:14] <yigal> teo_: https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/flash-player-google-chrome.html#main_How_do_I_install_the_latest_version_of_Flash_Player_in_Google_Chrome_
[00:14] <OerHeks> teo_, yes, that is the only solution that works for me
[00:14] <bozkurt> Hi
[00:15] <OerHeks> no need for installing flash in chrome.. it uses pepperflash
[00:17] <yigal> OerHeks: yes one can install Pepper Flash without Chrome but then it's making sure that the browser one is using, is using it
[00:18] <yigal> e.g. chromium
[00:19] <OerHeks> correct, though that peperflashplugininstaller downloads chrome to get the ppapi, funny solution for chrome.
[00:19] <teo_> so what should do?
[00:19] <teo_> i want use FF
[00:19] <OerHeks> i moved away from firefox, just for these flash issues.
[00:20] <pkircher> reboot time .. lets see if that damn raidcontroller likes me this time .. >.>
[00:20] <artois> you can use "pepper" flash with Firefox if you want
[00:20] <artois> Flash issues are Flash issues
[00:21] <teo_> how I can install? apritude install peperflash?
[00:21] <teo_> I must enable it in any way?
[00:22] <yigal> teo_: yes, for Firefox you can use the Pipelight project, or through this project https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin
[00:22] <teo_> yigal, what is better?
[00:23] <yigal> teo_: Pipelight uses an emulation, Wine, to use the latest Adobe Flash Plugin for Windows and well Fresh player uses Pepper
[00:23] <yigal> teo_: I just use Chrome tbh
[00:23] <teo_> yigal, what is better for FF? peper or pipeline? pipeline dont work on HBO Go
[00:23] <teo_> yigal, chromium have paper?
[00:24] <yigal> teo_: yes, Pipeline works for HBO but you have to mask the browser, this is very offtopic for #ubuntu however
[00:25] <altoidnerd> anyone know how to view the keybindings for the default WM in 14.04
[00:25] <teo_> yigal, mask browser? how?
[00:25] <yigal> altoidnerd: http://askubuntu.com/questions/575631/how-do-i-find-all-key-bindings-in-ubuntu-14-04
[00:26] <altoidnerd> yigal: thanks
[00:26] <yigal> altoidnerd: np
[00:26] <OerHeks> altoidnerd, systemsettings > keys, and hold <super> for a short list
[00:27] <catalase> do drives automatically unmount on reboot?
[00:27] <catalase> in 14.04 server lts
[00:27] <tomreyn> yes catalase
[00:27] <altoidnerd> OerHeks: Im using a weird keyboard, how can I find out what my keys are (which is super, etc)
[00:27] <catalase> thanks tomreyn
[00:28] <yigal> catalase: no, not unless they've been added to /etc/fstab or are part of automount
[00:28] <yigal> catalase: why, what are you attempting to set up?
[00:28] <catalase> yigal, the drive is added to /etc/fstab/ and has automount flag enabled
[00:28] <catalase> just wondering if my ext4 ext hdd is being auto-unmounted on sudo reboot
[00:29] <yigal> catalase: then yes, if things are set up properly it should
[00:29] <yigal> catalase: what happens if you issue 'sudo mount -a' after boot, if the drive doesn't mount automatically?
[00:30] <altoidnerd> OerHeks: because my keyboard is a 'mac keys' version, not sure what Alt key is
[00:30] <catalase> no idea, every time i reboot it automatically mounts yigal
[00:30] <yigal> catalase: so it does what it should, so what's the issue :)?
[00:30] <OerHeks> altoidnerd, i see, mac has no super or 'windows' key.
[00:30] <catalase> right, but the question is whether or not it automatically unmounts when reboot is issued via cli
[00:31] <catalase> since it is not good for the ext4 filesystem to not unmount before shutdown or reboot
[00:31] <altoidnerd> OerHeks: for me right now, 'command' is mapped to super, 'option' to alt
[00:31] <OerHeks> If you have an Apple keyboard, there will not be a Windows key on your keyboard. The ⌘ (Command) key can be used instead.
[00:31] <yigal> catalase: it will unmount on a normal reboot
[00:31] <catalase> great, thanks for confirmation yigal
[00:31] <yigal> catalase: you will want to look through the logs to verify this
[00:32] <yigal> catalase: cool
[00:32] <catalase> any idea which log to look through?
[00:32] <altoidnerd> OerHeks: just asking about the general case of using a strange keyboard, how to determine what keys are recogized as <super>, <alt>, <ctrl> <F1>, etc
[00:32] <yigal> catalase: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[00:32] <catalase> 14.04 lts server
[00:32] <yigal> catalase: I'm not certain but I suspect dmesg should have that info.
[00:33] <OerHeks> altoidnerd, the rest of the functions i don't know :-( there are mactel pages
[00:34] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard
[00:34] <jamie12> hey is there a specific channel for ubuntu phone?
[00:35] <artois> /msg alis list *ubunt*phone*
[00:35] <pkircher> as long as they keycode leaves the kb .. it will be recognized ..
[00:35] <artois> /msg alis list *ubunt*touch*
[00:35] <OerHeks> !touch
[00:35] <pkircher> thing is with internal keys aka meta / super / fn .. which are interpreted internaly in the kb
[00:35] <artois> altoidnerd: 'xev' will tell you what a key registers by default
[00:35] <pkircher> + also depends on the kb firmware
[00:35] <artois> altoidnerd: any key that registers at all can be mapped to another
[00:36] <artois> and there are one or two utils other than xev, if xev doesn't work
[00:36] <pkircher> @altoidnerd what kb are you using ?
[00:36] <pkircher> some custom mecha ?
[00:37] <altoidnerd> pkircher: it is a das keyboard
[00:37] <pkircher> ah its a straight pass throw no tmk stuff
[00:37] <yigal> altoidnerd: das I like it, I have one of those
[00:37] <pkircher> easy thenm
[00:37] <pkircher> -m
[00:37] <altoidnerd> yigal: its awesome
[00:37] <altoidnerd> i dont know why all the hate on unity.  I am really enjoying it right now on multiple displays
[00:38] <altoidnerd> thanks for the help this resolved everything
[00:38] <pkircher> displays >.> tmux!
[00:39] <pkircher> hah! solved my problem with the raid controller .. > boots just fine now ..
[00:39] <artois> altoidnerd: because it replaced GNOME 2 and isn't much like it
[00:39] <artois> mostly people didn't like the change from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3
[00:40] <Bashing-om> pkircher: :) When you are good, you are good !
[00:41] <altoidnerd> artois: I can understand that, but I think Unity is objectively the best option for the most use cases... if you park your pride and try to learn it
[00:42] <altoidnerd> Question:  <Alt>+<TAB> switches applications.  If you have more than one display, this happens on the display where the cursor is.  How can I do it for all displays?  Note i mean physics monitor, not "workspace"
[00:42] <altoidnerd> physical * display
[00:42] <artois> altoidnerd: unity is fine, it's just the drastic change people didn't like
[00:43] <artois> it also didn't help that they didn't realize the bulk of drastic change was in GNOME
[00:43] <pkircher> ya UI changes are hard on users
[00:43] <pkircher> .. breaks habbits
[00:43] <artois> so you got strange things like people moving from Ubuntu with Unity (GNOME 3) to Linux Mint (Ubuntu) with Cinnamon (GNOME 3 reconfigured in a way that can also be done on Ubuntu)
[00:44] <pkircher> im still a kde fan for what its worth .. if i have to have a ui
[00:44] <artois> yeah... KDE does drastic changes, too
[00:44] <artois> perhaps not as awfully as GNOME manages, however
[00:44] <raidr> Hey, has anyone here got any experience with setting up RAID after an install?
[00:44] <artois> raidr: what do you want raid for?
[00:45] <pkircher> raidr: softraid ?
[00:45] <pkircher> or via controller ?
[00:45] <raidr> I want to set up RAID1/softraid
[00:45] <pkircher> you gotta do that before
[00:45] <altoidnerd> pkircher: i have used lots of good options.  I try not to decide i hate something and have a bad attitude ... instead just use it and get on with life, knowing how to help oneself is key
[00:46] <altoidnerd> pkircher: do you know how to make keybindings like <alt>+<TAB> not care which display my cursor is on?
[00:46] <raidr> I have managed to partially set up RAID1 so far but I am having some issues
[00:46] <pkircher> altoidnerd: server moron here ..
[00:46] <pkircher> all i have is bash / sh most of the time
[00:47] <artois> well that's what's great about free software
[00:47] <altoidnerd> pkircher:  i hear you, same here, thats why i dont know how to use this GUI
[00:47] <artois> you don't have to stop using any free software, ever
[00:47] <burdickjp>  I'm having trouble with LXC bridges. would someone be willing to walk me through getting a bridge set up
[00:47] <artois> you can potentially never have to relearn something new
[00:47] <artois> it's very efficient
[00:47] <altoidnerd> artois: conversely though
[00:48] <altoidnerd> artois: I never "learn" anything so much that its a habit I can't break easily.., makes life easier if you use multiple machines
[00:49] <raidr> Anyone use RAID with LUKS?
[00:49] <pkircher> mdadm
[00:49] <pkircher> :)
[00:50] <raidr> My issue is that the second drive will not boot up on its own
[00:50] <raidr> I have set up the array but I am not too sure that it has mirrored properly
[00:51] <pkircher> you start from /dev/md0
[00:51] <pkircher> so you gotta change grub ..
[00:51] <pkircher> or what ever bootloader you are using
[00:51] <raidr> I changed that in grub, boot up, none of my files are available
[00:52] <pkircher> ext4 ?
[00:52] <artois> altoidnerd: self reliance, or reliance on only the fundamentals, yes
[00:52] <raidr> root is ext4
[00:54] <altoidnerd> artois: yup.  between social outlets like here, or reddit, stackoverflow etc, and docs, you can usually find answers quickly if you know what youre asking
[00:55] <altoidnerd> artois: this should be the first thing new users of ubuntu are told
[00:55] <artois> oh yeah, be nice if children were educated properly :p
[00:56] <raidr> Is there something I need to do with the LUKS partitions? Do they need their own array?
[00:58] <altoidnerd> artois: I cant wait to have kids, but to give them their first computer with a base ubutu-server install and set them going
[00:58] <artois> altoidnerd: should make them build the computer and the OS
[00:58] <pkircher> just give them a rasperry pi / beagle bone black ..
[00:58] <pkircher> anyone played with hikey already ?
[00:59] <altoidnerd> artois: lol, this can go all day.  ubuntu-server is a realistic starting point but of course I could always make it crazier
[00:59] <pkircher> FPGA > have them design there own cpu :)
[00:59] <altoidnerd> artois: an image of arch linux, and a print out of the wiki
[01:00] <pkircher> no print needet .. all they need is learn how to read man pages
[01:00] <pkircher> .. its all in there
[01:00] <altoidnerd> pkircher: I disagree actually.  man pages help only when you already know *something*
[01:01] <artois> computer is just a magic box if you can't make your own =)
[01:01] <altoidnerd> pkircher: man pages are best when you already have experience with a program
[01:02] <altoidnerd> pkircher: to introduce a how command line tool works to somehow who has nebver used it - take for example "grep" - only examples help.  man pages just dont do a lot to tell someone what a fucntion basically does from a base level
[01:02] <altoidnerd> pkircher: a blog format works well
[01:03] <pkircher> probably .. i dont know my wee one is 5 ..
[01:03] <pkircher> so soon :> 2-3 years more
[01:03] <altoidnerd> pkircher: How are you going to handle internet access?  I dont have kids but I think about that
[01:04] <pkircher> i had internet access back then .. even if it was just 9k6 .. and extremly expensive
[01:04] <pkircher> but .. no point limiting it .. we are in the information age after all
[01:04] <altoidnerd> pkircher: true.  but is there nothing to worry about in this way - young childen can see images, etc that are not age appropriate
[01:05] <minitrue> hey, im trying to share an internet connection. but im having problems
[01:05] <pkircher> ofc but they can see that in school as well
[01:05] <pkircher> .. or on a phone
[01:05] <altoidnerd> pkircher: yeah.  totally different now from when i was a kid
[01:05] <pkircher> you cant fence everythin off .. unless you are a tinfoil guy
[01:05] <altoidnerd> minitrue: what is your question
[01:06] <minitrue> altoidnerd: i dont know how to enable forwarding in systemd
[01:06] <altoidnerd> pkircher: how about setting up a network at home and letting them use that first before they can go to www
[01:06] <pkircher> and ya .. its entierly different .. today 6-7 years old have a mobile ..
[01:06] <pkircher> and if they dont ..
[01:06] <pkircher> i was 14ish where i had a FAT alcatel brick
[01:07] <pkircher> ya .. i got the homenetwork anyway
[01:07] <virtuosoj> hello :)
[01:07] <minitrue> altoidnerd: i have a laptop wich is connected using wlan0 to internet, Im trying to forward the traffic to eth0
[01:07] <pkircher> .. lab here .. > 3 m1000e and a few brocade switches
[01:07] <minitrue> so i can send it to a router
[01:07] <pkircher> but that “new” hp server gives me a hard time
[01:08] <minitrue> and im using this guide as a reference https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Internet_sharing
[01:08] <virtuosoj> what DE do people here use? I'm currently running MATE but I'm interested in a more modern DE, I'm deciding between Unity and Gnome3
[01:08] <altoidnerd> minitrue: I have done it one second
[01:08] <altoidnerd> minitrue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359856/share-wireless-internet-connection-through-ethernet
[01:08] <The_Letter_M> virtuosoj, I prefer Cinnamon or XFCE
[01:08] <minitrue> altoidnerd: thanks :)
[01:09] <virtuosoj> The_Letter_M, thank you but I don't consider those to be modern. maybe Cinnamon a little moreso
[01:09] <altoidnerd> minitrue: the arch wiki is always a little terse, if you're a non expert
[01:09] <virtuosoj> I've been starting to notice some buggy elements of MATE.  Mostly the panel and indicator icons
[01:10] <pkircher> arch wiki is superb .. special with systemd stuff
[01:10] <The_Letter_M> virtuosoj, at work my computer is really locked down but I'm allowed to have Vbox installed. I have a lot of tools in a Xubuntu VM buecause XFCE works great in a VM. At home I used Cinnamon on my personal computers
[01:10] <altoidnerd> pkircher: the home network is a cool idea.  lets you hack around and also saves the children from being deflowered
[01:10] <altoidnerd> pkircher:  the conundrum arises because you want the child to learn the computer as early as possible
[01:10] <virtuosoj> Cinnamon on Ubuntu or on Mint?
[01:10] <The_Letter_M> XFCE is very modern. Cinnamon is one of the most new of DEs
[01:10] <The_Letter_M> Ubuntu
[01:10] <pkircher> well yup ..
[01:10] <virtuosoj> Yes but featurewise, I consider the modern ones to be Gnome3, KDE, and Unity
[01:11] <virtuosoj> Cinnamon is a little more retro
[01:11] <pkircher> but .. lets move that to pm .. no conversation for a support channel
[01:11] <pkircher> :P
[01:11] <The_Letter_M> GNome and KDE are ancient. You should define what you mean by "Modern"
[01:11] <The_Letter_M> Cinnamon is a great blend of classic but with modern features
[01:11] <pkircher> retro is good ! .. i love retro ..
[01:11] <pkircher> even my keyboard is retro themed ..
[01:12] <raidr> No dice on any input for RAID1/LUKS/LVM?
[01:12] <virtuosoj> As in, 3D effects, new and fresh takes on window/workspace management
[01:12] <virtuosoj> features like dash or unified menu bar in Unity, or the overview in Gnome
[01:13] <virtuosoj> I don't really like KDE5 so far
[01:13] <pkircher> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ghqh3nxpqfssgm5/2015-11-26%2021.57.37.jpg?dl=0
[01:13] <pkircher> more retro love !
[01:13] <The_Letter_M> In XFCE you can set the panel to "Deskbar" and have it act like how the Unity bar does
[01:13] <dani__> hello my pretties
[01:14] <dani__> :>)
[01:14] <virtuosoj> :O that's really cool, thanks LetterM
[01:15] <virtuosoj> I have a question for anyone who uses Unity: A feature that I really like in MATE and Gnome3 is the ability to have a weather applet located in your top panel
[01:15] <virtuosoj> How do I get this in Unity?
[01:15] <minitrue> altoidnerd: hey, its working thanks, i really like the arch wiki but yes, sometimes can get a little harsh.
[01:15] <virtuosoj> I like looking at my comp and without clicking anything, I can see the temperature outside
[01:15] <The_Letter_M> Maybe I just like it because back int he day I used Fluxbox a lot and XFCE reminds me of a modern take on those super minimalistic DEs and WMs
[01:17] <virtuosoj> XFCE has weather in panel right?
[01:20] <virtuosoj> The_Letter_M, weather in XFCE?
[01:21] <Guest68558> ok
[01:22] <artois> virtuosoj: there's a plugin, yes
[01:23] <virtuosoj> I'm most likely not going to choose XFCE, I want more modern and featureful
[01:24] <virtuosoj> after hopping around and trying different things, I really liked Unity's functionality.
[01:24] <virtuosoj> the Unity Tweak Tool is really dope too, so much customization
[01:24] <The_Letter_M> virtuosoj, it sounds like you already have your mind made up
[01:25] <virtuosoj> haha maybe... I don't know if the distro hopping will stop
[01:25] <The_Letter_M> It happens
[01:25] <virtuosoj> I thought I was stuck on Ubuntu MATE but I have been noticing its flaws more
[01:25] <The_Letter_M> I do it sometimes too
[01:25] <artois> virtuosoj: it's 'Xfce'
[01:26] <artois> Xfce is nice, reliable
[01:26] <virtuosoj> The_Letter_M, what distro are you currently running?
[01:26] <The_Letter_M> I'll go through periods where I jump between Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSuse
[01:26] <virtuosoj> artois, you as well?
[01:26] <artois> it can do basically all the things KDE & GNOME do, but hasn't completely rewritten their codebase the way they have
[01:26] <artois> the way KDE/GNOME have
[01:26] <The_Letter_M> Right now I use Ubuntu at home
[01:26] <The_Letter_M> With Cinnamon installed
[01:27] <virtuosoj> I had a nice setup of opensuse tumbleweed with Gnome3, but I don't like YasT and Zypper as much as Software Center and Apt-get
[01:29] <tarcids> virtuosoj: what's wrong with yast
[01:29] <tarcids> virtuosoj: I always install synaptic
[01:29] <virtuosoj> Not as comfy to install/uninstall programs as Software Center
[01:29] <virtuosoj> I like synaptic better than yast but I prefer software center or terminal install
[01:29] <ghostinzshell> Are there any known fixes for NetworkManager not updating /etc/resolv.conf when using OpenVPN?
[01:29] <dani__> Gnome 3 is horrible
[01:29] <dani__> even worse than Unit
[01:29] <dani__> Unity
[01:29] <dani__> imh
[01:29] <The_Letter_M> I like Gnome Shell. I used it for a couple years. I still sometimes move my mouse to the top-left expecting my apps to show up
[01:31] <virtuosoj> Yes I also really like Gnome Shell
[01:31] <virtuosoj> the app overview is sweet, the only 2 DE's that do it this  well are Gnome3 and Elementary's Pantheon
[01:32] <ghostinzshell> The GNOME paradigm certainly takes some getting used to, but once you get used to it, it's pretty good.
[01:32] <virtuosoj> but I am not so keen on the vertically aligned workspaces, and I wish the panel was customizable. I can't move anything around
[01:32] <The_Letter_M> ghostinzshell, yes it is
[01:33] <virtuosoj> I don't have a left windows key(Steelseries mech keyboard).  But binding Ctrl + Space to app overview in Gnome 3 was really nice
[01:33] <ghostinzshell> If you have anything touchscreen, GNOME is the only one that provides an experience comparable to Windows.
[01:33] <The_Letter_M> I tghink vertically aligned is more inuitive, especially when you consider our screens are wide so Horizontal real estate is more available than Vertical real estate
[01:33] <tarcids> virtuosoj: synaptic is the best other than terminal to install programs
[01:34] <virtuosoj> I really want a linux tablet, but it doesn't seem functional right now so I'm using Samsung android
[01:34] <virtuosoj> technically still linux but its not the same
[01:34] <tarcids> virtuosoj: it's linux
[01:34] <virtuosoj> not gnu/linux though
[01:36] <tarcids> You are talking about two different animals. Linux is a kernel. Gnu is a shell that can even run on windows
[01:36] <The_Letter_M> virtuosoj, why don't you get a convertable Windows laptop and install Gnome Ubuntu on it and tell us how you like it?
[01:36] <virtuosoj> The_Letter_M, tried that with my dad's Surface 3, it worked but always crashed pretty quickly
[01:37] <virtuosoj> well to be fair, I was booting from USB but I don't feel that should make a difference
[01:37] <raidr> Any help with RAID?
[01:38] <TurBoss> has someone got probblems with packets from their ubuntu begin tagged as "Gobbles ssh" exploit by the IDS?
[01:38] <ghostinzshell> virtuosoj: Might require some tweaks. (https://youtu.be/oXuYg5P4EHo)
[01:38] <ghostinzshell> virtuosoj: Wendell from TekSyndicate had to recompile the kernel
[01:39] <virtuosoj> I'm not knowledgable enough to do those tweaks
[01:39] <virtuosoj> the Galaxy S2 runs really well for now I'm pretty happy with it. but when the linux tablet becomes a better option I will use that
[01:39] <virtuosoj> linux for desktop is already way better than anything else though, IMO for my purposes
[01:40] <ghostinzshell> Yea, it's a little too much effort just to get a Surface running Ubuntu.
[01:40] <artois> virtuosoj: for anyone's
[01:40] <artois> ghostinzshell: how so?
[01:40] <virtuosoj> BRB all, I'm going to try out Antergos for kicks hahaha XD
[01:41] <ghostinzshell> artois: Having to compile a kernel I guess. I'm used to installing Ubuntu on my laptop and start working without minor changes (e.g changing the shell from bash to zsh)
[01:41] <ghostinzshell> with*
[01:41] <ghostinzshell> Compiling a kernel is simple enough too, I just don't want to wait around for it to compile.
[01:43] <svennebanan> where can I find REALLY nice Fluxbox themes?
[01:43] <tarcids> Just when ubuntu becomes easy to install on Computers.  Making it almost impossible to install on most SOC
[01:47] <artois> ghostinzshell: mmm, if you weren't using all Ubuntu's generic builtins, it'd only take a bit
[01:47] <artois> ghostinzshell: or you could just use modules
[01:47] <artois> svennebanan: ~/mycustomthemes/
[01:48] <svennebanan> artois, what?
[01:49] <Remind> Hey there! New user here, loving it so far :)
[01:49] <artois> Remind: gj
[01:49] <Remind> artois: :) thanks
[01:50] <Remind> The Encryption option that was available, is that using LUKS?
[01:50] <k1l> Remind: yes
[01:51] <Remind> k1l: Thanks! Just out of curiosity (I did select it - as well as encrypting the empty data and home folder), what all does it protect against? Someone hooking up a live boot USB and viewing my files, or removing my hard drive and using as an external on their computer and viewing my files?
[01:52] <artois> there's one using luks and the home-only one is using ecryptfs, probs
[01:53] <artois> Remind: for a laptop?
[01:53] <Guest68558> thanks
[01:53] <Remind> artois: Yeah, this is on my laptop. I selected the guided using encryption, then when I went to create the user I also checked to encrypt my home folder
[01:53] <Remind> artois: And thanks btw!
[01:53] <artois> mostly it protects you from the rare thief that might take a moment to see if you have bank authentication data on your drive
[01:54] <artois> ...before reselling your laptop
[01:54] <artois> but it could also protect you from a theoretical legal attack
[01:54] <k1l> Remind: it protects against powerd down hdd "loss".
[01:54] <artois> it will not protect you from an expert who wants your data
[01:55] <Remind> With this encryption, if I was to use Kali and found a vulnerable exploit, could I still explore files without the encryption pass?
[01:55] <artois> but in these days of processors with built in instructions for handling encrypting and decryption, there's not much reason to not encrypt
[01:55] <artois> if you found a vulnerability that let you do that, yes of course
[01:55] <k1l> if there is a exploit its exploitable due to that exploit. we cant guess what that is now
[01:55] <artois> but you won't
[01:55] <artois> it's quite simple to trick a human into giving away their authentication, however
[01:56] <tarcids> Remind: in ten years the best encryption will like a cracker jack lock
[01:56] <artois> and even simpler to gain physical access
[01:56] <_bodhi> how do i install 16.04
[01:56] <k1l> !16.04 | _bodhi
[01:56] <_bodhi> anyone know?
[01:56] <k1l> Remind: as long as your system is running that is quite no protection from LUKS
[01:57] <k1l> _bodhi: see the bots message. 16.04 will be released in april so its still in development
[01:57] <_bodhi> i want the development version
[01:57] <artois> see #Ubuntu+1
[01:57] <_bodhi> so this is for the risk averse side, i get it
[01:57] <k1l> if you cant even read a bots message then i doubt you will want to use a development release
[01:58] <_bodhi> If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing tok pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to crash your system doing what you love.
[01:58] <svennebanan> ma
[01:58] <svennebanan> man
[01:58] <svennebanan> help me
[01:58] <_bodhi> this isn't for momma's boys
[01:58] <_bodhi> i'll try the other channel
[01:58] <svennebanan> where can I find Fluxbox, really nice Fluxbox themes
[01:58] <artois> heh
[01:58] <artois> svennebanan: the fluxbox website? #fluxbox?
[01:58] <artois> you might also like openbox or blackbox
[01:58] <svennebanan> artois, they suck
[01:59] <k1l> svennebanan: see a fluxbox theme page. we cant help you because we have another taste than you, most probably
[01:59] <artois> svennebanan: well, fluxbox isn't very popular
[01:59] <artois> it also isn't very much... visually
[01:59] <artois> it's just a window manager, after all
[01:59] <svennebanan> artois, Hmmm, ok. So it is hard to make it look good?
[01:59] <artois> no
[01:59] <artois> but it's more than zero work
[02:00] <svennebanan> artois, Have you seen a good-looking Fluxbox screenshot?
[02:00] <artois> https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sout=1&safe=off&q=%22fluxbox%22%20%22eye%20candy%22
[02:00] <artois> probably, but I don't keep track
[02:00] <artois> I use my DE for getting things done
[02:00] <artois> I don't use it as wall art
[02:02] <svennebanan> artois, ok, holy sh*t: http://orig03.deviantart.net/48fb/f/2015/324/1/4/no_man_s_sky_fluxbox_by_xexpanderx-d9h55wt.png
[02:02] <svennebanan> artois, How do I make it look like that?
[02:03] <artois> svennebanan: it says, at http://xexpanderx.deviantart.com/art/No-Man-s-Sky-Fluxbox-572989997
[02:03] <k1l> svennebanan: usually they name and link their used themes and iconpacks on  the site
[02:04] <svennebanan> sh*t, Fluxbox can look goot...
[02:04] <svennebanan> good
[02:04] <artois> most things _can_
[02:04] <Greylocks> fluxbox is awesome looks good and performs well with low mem usage
[02:06] <pkircher> that no mans sky theme is pretty
[02:06] <pkircher> sadly that game isnt out yet
[02:06] <The_Letter_M> You should try Fluxbox combined with Razor DE
[02:07] <pkircher> i wonder how that looks with 16 cores ..
[02:07] <svennebanan> That guy seems to do some nice Fluxbox themes...
[02:07] <pkircher> http://puu.sh/mHdYj/1193eb93eb.png
[02:08] <svennebanan> artois, thank you. I think Fluxbox is really awesome
[02:08] <svennebanan> gonna check more about that guy, "xexpanderx" or whatever he calls himself
[02:10] <svennebanan> pkircher, so "No Mans Sky" is a game...
[02:10] <pkircher> yep
[02:10] <svennebanan> looks really cool
[02:47] <cpetrikowski> hi
[02:48] <cpetrikowski> bye
[02:49] <doodle> hey
[02:49] <k1l> hi
[02:50] <Guest37668> how r u
[02:50] <k1l> tired :)
[02:50] <Guest37668> me too :(
[02:51] <Guest37668> sooo....
[02:51] <Guest37668> anybody here?
[02:51] <k1l> just ask the support question
[02:52] <Guest37668> oh cool
[02:54] <Guest37668> hola
[02:55] <Guest37668> bye
[02:59] <natalie_> how do I make a tablet attached by USB get recognized by the files explorer program?
[02:59] <anand_ts> Hello all
[02:59] <anand_ts> anyone tried installing ubuntu 14.04 on UCS C servers
[02:59] <homa> hi
[03:00] <anand_ts> when I install ubuntu it is completed installation succesfully and after reboot it goes to EFI shell. not sure whats wrong
[03:00] <anand_ts> hi homa
[03:00] <nicomachus> natalie_: here's the full guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226702
[03:01] <anand_ts> is this channel active
[03:01] <anand_ts> Can I get some help here
[03:01] <EriC^^> anand_ts: hey
[03:01] <anand_ts> EriC^^: hey
[03:01] <EriC^^> anand_ts: try pressing esc when it boots and see if you can get a boot options menu
[03:02] <EriC^^> anand_ts: also did you install it in uefi mode or legacy?
[03:02] <anand_ts> EriC^^: It is not at all booting from harddisk after reboot
[03:02] <EriC^^> anand_ts: yeah i mean the boot options before the uefi shell
[03:02] <anand_ts> EriC^^: I changed the boot options in bios to kvm-mapped-DVD.
[03:02] <homa> hi
[03:02] <EriC^^> anand_ts: ok, can you boot a live session?
[03:03] <anand_ts> EriC^^: I am sorry, how to boot a live session
[03:03] <natalie_> apt-get dist-upgrade does what?
[03:03] <EriC^^> !dist-upgrade | natalie_
[03:03] <EriC^^> anand_ts: do you have a live iso? something that can get you a shell?
[03:04] <natalie_> oh, ok, thanks
[03:04] <EriC^^> np
[03:04] <anand_ts> EriC^^: I am hitting the exact issue http://askubuntu.com/questions/721539/cisco-ucs-and-ubuntu
[03:04] <anand_ts> EriC^^: Oh I dont have a live iso.
[03:04] <EriC^^> anand_ts: ok, and the server iso doesn't give a live iso right?
[03:05] <snakeryslug> hello :) i'm trying to play with bluesnarfer, but i can't get it to build. does anyone else have problems with https://github.com/boos/bluesnarfer? I `sudo apt-get install libbluetooth-dev -y; git clone https://github.com/boos/bluesnarfer; cd bluesnarfer; make`, but I get a bunch of undefined references.
[03:05] <EriC^^> anand_ts: try to get a boot options menu and if you can select the efi file to boot or boot an entry you want
[03:06] <anand_ts> EriC^^: okay. I will try that.
[03:08] <ttal> I have just installed a fresh 15.10, using a GTX980 with nvidia driver version 352.63. I have not installed Cuda (nvidia-cuda-toolkit) however when I use Blender (3D software) if gives me the option of Cuda GPU Rendering. Any idea why? I mean, I am thankful it just works, but any idea why?
[03:08] <wizkdd_> i cant enable my bluetooth
[03:09] <snakeryslug> ttal: do you know that Cuda is?
[03:10] <ttal> snakeryslug: No, not exactly. Does it enable faster processing by the GPU somehow?
[03:11] <snakeryslug> ttal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA
[03:13] <dmfrey> how do you verfiy what version of intel graphics stack is installed?
[03:13] <ttal> snakeryslug: ok wow. I wish I had done a bit more reading 48 hours ago..
[03:15] <ttal> snakeryslug: I thought I needed it to enable GPU rendering in Blender.. ffs. I have installed and reinstalled 14.04, 14.10, 15.10 trying to get cuda to work and for the gpu rendering settings to work in blender.
[03:16] <ttal> snakeryslug: long long long story short, if anyone else faces this issue, it appears Blender 2.74 just didnt support the new GTX980 yet. I installed Blender 2.76b and it works right away.
[03:17] <ttal> snakeryslug: thank you.
[03:21] <musty26069> hey guys, I just typed something like kill X on the terminal and screwd my shortcuts, task bar and top menu...... any help to restore it, plz? tks a lot
[03:21] <hatsuneMiku> ...
[03:23] <musty26069> yeah.. .kind of stupid, huh? :P
[03:23] <EriC^^> anand_ts: any luck?
[03:24] <dmfrey> how do you verify what version of intel graphics stack is installed?
[03:29] <ttal> can anyone give me an example of how they keep their system maintained with regards to update, dist-upgrade, and autoremove? Are these things that are done every day?
[03:30] <hatsuneMiku> #theitalianjob
[03:31] <danfun64> For whatever reason, Timidity does not want to use any soundfonts that aren't freepats or fluidr3
[03:31] <danfun64> I have Scc1t2.sf2 in /usr/share/sounds/sf2/
[03:32] <danfun64> timidity.cfg has source /etc/timidity/scc1t2.cfg
[03:32] <danfun64> and scc1t2.cfg has dir /usr/share/sounds/sf2
[03:32] <Bashing-om> ttal: 'sudo apt update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ; df -h ' depending on what the package manager advises from <- , then I may run ' sudo apt-get autoremove ' . The 'df -h ' is to watch disk usage. I run real tight and I have too watch !
[03:33] <danfun64> wait
[03:34] <danfun64> the soundfont loads if I use the timidity command directly
[03:34] <danfun64> but if I load a game using SDL (in this case PrBoom+) no music comes out
[03:35] <ttal> Bashing-om: thanks for that. When do you do a dist-upgrade?
[03:37] <danfun64> yet it works if fluidr3 is used...why?
[03:37] <Bashing-om> ttal: Package manager will advise " held packages" and relate which ones . I generally try and determine what these "held" packages are ( phased release updates ??) ... and then I might do the ' sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ' .
[03:38] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | ttal
[03:43] <sexyshowercurtai> Evening all... any ideas why update manager (on 10.04) would freeze after I hit the "close" button on the "Your ubuntu release is not suported anymore" dialog box?
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> !eol | sexyshowercurtai
[03:44] <ttal> Bashing-om: any reason why you use apt update and not apt-get update?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> sexyshowercurtai: fresh install a version from our topic mate
[03:48] <sexyshowercurtai> lotuspsychje, have tried but I'm running into roadblocks. do-release-upgrade aborts, update manager freezes, and booting version 14 leads to serious graphics issues...apologies for noobiness
[03:48] <Bashing-om> ttal: apt is the updated apt-get and does have some added new features . Less ytyomg too amd apt is faster .
[03:48] <Bashing-om> typing **
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> sexyshowercurtai: its not recommended to upgrade from an eol version..would you trust yours after all the security exploits out?
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> sexyshowercurtai: i advise you to backup everything dear to you, and start over fresh
[03:54] <sexyshowercurtai> lotuspsychje, I do not. It has been very problematic upgrading to a newer release, due to graphics issues that arise.
[03:54] <ttal> Bashing-om: awesome, thanks for the tips. will definitely be more aware of the possible destructiveness of dist-upgrade
[03:55] <sexyshowercurtai> lotuspsychje, Fortunately, I have nothing to back up. Was hoping that I could progressively use the do-release-upgrade to get all the way up to current
[03:55] <danfun64> ...
[03:55] <sexyshowercurtai> lotuspsychje, Will attempt once more. Thank you for the patience :)
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> !usn | sexyshowercurtai
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> sexyshowercurtai: many chances you will break your system like this
[03:56] <Bashing-om> ttal: " possible destructiveness " is a remote possibility . and bear in mind the package manager will always tell you what it is doing, and there is a history of what took place .
[03:56] <ttal> Bashing-om: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required"  <-- so I hould listen to this and then do an autoremove?
[03:57] <danfun64> nevermind...
[03:57] <ttal> Bashing-om: where do you find the history?
[03:58] <stoneman1> Hello. Can someone give me support here? I just rebooted and nearly all my settings are gone/not accessible.
[03:59] <Bashing-om> ttal: Look at the list .. does it make sense what it is telling you ? .. then YES by all means - clean the system up . ( it is rare that in a system with a consistent package manager that the package manager will make a mistake ) .
[04:00] <stoneman1> My monitor settings coul not be loaded. I deleted ~/.config/monitors.xml that fixed that. My terminal profile prefrences were not loaded. Visual things like cmy theme are not loaded.
[04:00] <Bashing-om> ttal: ' ls -al /var/log/apt ' .
[04:01] <stoneman1> And the system needs pretty long when booting before the ubuntu splashscreen shows up
[04:01] <ttal> Bashing-om: thanks for all the tips and advice, really helpful and really appreciate it.
[04:02] <stoneman1> I'd be really thankful for help. If you need further information just ask.
[04:03] <Bashing-om> ttal: What we do here .. hang with us and you too will make contributions .
[04:07] <ttal> Bashing-om: I will be hanging. I have used linux / ubuntu on and off for over 10 years. Finally made the switch on my main system, with a new GTX980. The only reason I had windows was for games but Steam has fixed all that, and i only play nerdy games like KSP, Minecraft, Cities, and XPlane so I'm all set now. Most applications I use are web based. Just need to learn the ins and outs of safe, predictable, regular maintenance and troubleshooting.
[04:10] <stoneman1> the problem stays after i restored a backup from 5 days ago
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> stoneman1: restoring a backup overwrites your old settings right
[04:14] <stoneman1> yes but i think the settings are not the problem. they are there. they are just not loaded i think...
[04:15] <Bashing-om> ttal: Then you are will over the hump . It is now just common sense and GOOF backups ! .. you are ready to break your system to your heart's content . ( I learned very quickly the value of a 'buntu dual boot ) It has been ages now since I broke my system to a point of frustration to RE-install .
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> stoneman1: you can check your /home with hidden folders and browsing in configs to make sure?
[04:15] <stoneman1> for example i get this message on bootup: Could not apply the stored configurations for monitors
[04:15] <stoneman1> but ~./config/monitors.xml is there
[04:16] <stoneman1> when i delete it the monitors adjust
[04:16] <ttal> Bashing-om: whats a buntu dual boot? And for what purpose? Just a backup os ready to go?
[04:18]  * LambdaComplex has 3 linux distros installed
[04:18]  * LambdaComplex is prepared for anything
[04:18] <LambdaComplex> no, wait, i still have Arch installed twice
[04:18]  * LambdaComplex has 4 linux distros installed
[04:19] <stoneman1> also my context menu and buttons look like from win2k and i cannot change the theme (not my biggest problem but surely the same root).
[04:19] <Bashing-om> ttal: Yes, dual boot .. you have the "work" system and on a seperate hard drive a backup ( what is 50 gigs now-a-days ) - a shared data partition is very handy . See mine : http://paste.ubuntu.com/14627513/ .
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> LambdaComplex: please no broadcasting here
[04:20] <LambdaComplex> lotuspsychje: pardon?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> LambdaComplex: we have a discuss channel for that
[04:21] <LambdaComplex> lotuspsychje: it was relevant to what Bashing-om said
[04:21] <LambdaComplex> lotuspsychje: now hush, because you're just causing even more off-topic discussion
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> LambdaComplex: relevant is trying to help, not /me ...
[04:22] <stoneman1> lotuspsychje is there a log of the boot up which i can look into. because as i said it takes longer than usual
[04:22] <LambdaComplex> so what, there's some rule that /me isn't allowed here? i don't recall ever seeing that in the rules
[04:22] <LambdaComplex> i'm gonna stop replying now
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> stoneman1: wich ubuntu version do you have?
[04:23] <LambdaComplex> Bashing-om: If that's how you're doing it, perhaps sharing a home partition would be useful?
[04:23] <LambdaComplex> Bashing-om: Although you'd still want a backup of it
[04:24] <stoneman1> lotuspsychje: 14.04 LTS. in /var/log/boot.log nothing interisting is logged
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> stoneman1: try lightdm log
[04:26] <stoneman1> lotuspsychje /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log has no errors either
[04:26] <Bashing-om> LambdaComplex: No, never share /home .. configs can and are different .. can cause the system to have head aches ! .. copy files to share to a 'data' partition .
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> stoneman1: how about pressing F1 during boot to see errors/bottleneck?
[04:27] <stoneman1> ok ill try.
[04:27] <Bashing-om> stoneman1: what release ? as systemd keeps good boot logs .
[04:27] <nicomachus> 14.04
[04:27] <nicomachus> so upstart
[04:28] <ttal> Bashing-om: wow, nice setup. I just have this kind of 'dumb' main desktop, and a nas pc in another room for large video, software, lectures etc, and photos and documents are in the cloud.
[04:28] <Bashing-om> nicomachus: :) .. and the hunt begins .
[04:28] <LambdaComplex> Bashing-om: If all your distros are the same, why would the configs be different?
[04:30] <Bashing-om> LambdaComplex: All of mine are different .. I see no value in risking sharing a /home .
[04:33] <stoneman1> mmmh the problem solved when i removed my usb-to-ethernet adapter. i know that booting with usb peripherals is not recommended but i was so sure that i did this already a thousand time that i didn't try without
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> !yay | stoneman1
[04:34] <stoneman1> now i did and it booted just fine. i will try again with and without if the problem occurs again. but i hope not. thanks alot
[04:35] <LambdaComplex> Bashing-om: Oh, in that case, then you're right
[04:36] <stoneman1> bye. when im more fluent with ubuntu i might comeback sometime. maybe i can help others by then. ;)
[04:37] <ttal> if i downloaded the Blender binary, and the sublime text 2 binary, where should I put it? /usr/lib/?
[04:42] <Bashing-om> ttal: Be aware .. It has taken me @ 40 some odd years to know how to set up my box for a particular use case .
[04:44] <ttal>  / opt?
[04:45] <pkircher> usr/local/bin ?
[04:45] <pkircher> opt/bin
[04:45] <pkircher> you just gotta find it
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> pkircher: use the whereis command perhaps?
[04:47] <pkircher> he asked where he should put it .. not where it is
[04:47] <pkircher> :)
[04:48] <pkircher> small but suttle difference
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> pkircher: try !who to make things less confusing, when other volunteers dont follow or just joined
[04:49] <pkircher> “ttal: if i downloaded the Blender binary, and the sublime text 2 binary, where should I put it? /usr/lib/?”
[04:49] <pkircher> its just 2 lines above .. o
[04:49] <pkircher> so its rather obvious who i ment
[04:49] <pkircher> just saying
[04:49] <c3l> How do I best write a program that "hijacks" keyboard input and "simulates" other keypresses? (I have some fancy mappings I want to make..)
[04:50] <pkircher> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions @c3l
[04:50] <Omnipotent> Is there any shortcut to access minimized apps in indicator area
[04:50] <Omnipotent> top right
[04:50] <Omnipotent> like hexchat etc.
[04:51] <lotuspsychje> Omnipotent: classicmenu indicator
[04:52] <Omnipotent> What is that? an application?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> Omnipotent: an indicator with menu items
[04:52] <ttal> pkircher: thanks got it.
[04:52] <Omnipotent> Installing
[04:53] <Omnipotent> lotuspsychje, Ok, that is not what I want.
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Omnipotent: logout/login to make it active
[04:53] <Omnipotent> Yeah it created the "start button" kind of thing in indicator area where you could select the icons.
[04:53] <Guy1524> hey guys, I have a really weird problem, I am dual booting elementary OS freya on my mom's 5 year old imac, at first it booted into the tty, so I had to do radeon.modeset=0 making it use intel graphics.  Do any of you know how I can use the amd graphics card?  lspci -nn | grep VGA returns this: http://pastebin.com/WwGK9JdP
[04:53] <Omnipotent> I don't want that, I just want to select minimized to indicator area style apps
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> ah
[04:53] <Omnipotent> Like hexchat if you know.
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> Omnipotent: i guess that relies on the app itself, using indicator area or not
[04:54] <Omnipotent> ... The app is IN indicator area
[04:54] <Omnipotent> I just want to select it.
[04:54] <Omnipotent> Focus you know.
[04:54] <Omnipotent> without mouse.
[04:54] <Omnipotent> With mouse I can do.
[04:55] <nicomachus> Guy1524: Elementary support is in #elementary
[04:55] <Guy1524> yes but isn't elementary os based off ubuntu
[04:55] <nicomachus> it's a derivative, not a flavor. So many things are different.
[04:56] <Guy1524> ok
[04:56] <Omnipotent> Wow elementary is paid.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> Omnipotent: can this help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/13137/is-there-a-keyboard-shortcut-to-open-the-indicator-applet
[04:57] <c3l> pkircher, no.. what I need is more control than this. I want to use spacebar as a modifier key, but only if pressed alone, and when spacebar is released (with no other key having been pressed) a space should be inserted
[04:57] <pkircher> get a mechanical keyboard and do it in TMK ?!
[04:57] <Omnipotent> lotuspsychje, Yeah works, but pretty darn crucade way to do it, 1) You need to click two buttons that are way too faar on keyboard and 2) you need hit right arrow key multiple times to reach those apps
[04:57] <pkircher> i much rather have that logic inside the keyboard .. !
[04:57] <ChibaPet> Support question! Is there a standard way to tell something not to run without muching with its /etc/init/foo.conf ?
[04:57] <Omnipotent> shouldn't there be a straightforward way to access them, considering they are indicator/system tray icon
[04:57] <ChibaPet> (on 14.04)
[04:58] <ChibaPet> s/muching/mucking with/
[04:58] <pkircher> c3l that wont work inside linux mappings ..
[04:58] <pkircher> you need the keyboard firmware todo that :)
[04:58] <c3l> pkircher, why_
[04:59] <Guy1524> nicomachus: the elementary irc is empty, can I please ask the question here?
[04:59] <nicomachus> c3l: that is all in xinput settings, and it's possible but not easy.
[04:59] <pkircher> > amtel32u4 and tmk .. thank you very much .. job done
[04:59] <nicomachus> c3l: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[05:00] <c3l> pkircher, nicomachus: in principle it should be easy(?) Ideally I'd just have a small python script that listens to (hijacks) all keyboard input, and "sends" other input
[05:01] <pkircher> nope
[05:01] <pkircher> :)
[05:01] <pkircher> hid is a entire different level .. but good luck .. special at the reaction times :)
[05:02] <nicomachus> c3l: why not just remap in the xinput config...?
[05:02] <pkircher> because he wants to make a “fake” tmk keyboard ..
[05:03] <pkircher> > as i sayed .. you be way better of .. if thats done in hardware and not in linux at all
[05:03] <pkircher> > https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard is the firmware im referening to
[05:04] <loveheartjoylov1> Are we talking about tab completion for partial words system wide provided by a dictionary file (with later support for statistical word complete personalization) since nobody will port and modify the code from existing mobile applications? Because if so, I'm in.
[05:05] <nicomachus> that doesn't sound OT at all.
[05:05] <c3l> pkircher, am I supposed to reprogram my keyboard? I doubt that will be easy
[05:05] <loveheartjoylov1> Ima if i cou typ o th muc
[05:05] <loveheartjoylov1> (imagine if I could only type this much)
[05:05] <loveheartjoylov1> Spaces autocomplete of course
[05:06] <nicomachus> loveheartjoylov1: #ubuntu-dev
[05:06] <pkircher> c3l: if you got a normal rubber dome .. your right .. if you got a “real” keyboard .. its easy .. apart from that ..
[05:06] <pkircher> if you want the functionality of a fully programmable mecha
[05:06] <pkircher> you gotta get a fully programmable mecha ..  If something shows up in /dev/mapper it's probably more complex than /dev/sda.
[05:13] <ChibaPet> lerner: /dev/mapper has things like LVM volumes, LUKS devices unlocked, etc.
[05:14] <lerner> is there any country that loves to use abreviations so extensively as americans?
[05:15] <ChibaPet> Terser. You get your answer quicker.
[05:19] <lerner> LUKS = linux unified key system?
[05:19] <ChibaPet> Another support question! So, using ALSA, I used to be able to say "amixer sset Master toggle", but PulseAudio seems to want something different. Is there a clean way to toggle muting from the command line?
[05:20] <ChibaPet> lerner: Yar. man cryptsetup
[05:20] <ChibaPet> Despite the name, it's not just Linux. DragonflyBSD also supports it.
[05:24] <nicomachus> ChibaPet: mute would be "amixer set Master mute"
[05:24] <nicomachus> but toggle also does work
[05:25] <rypervenche> ChibaPet: pactl set-sink-mute 0 toggle
[05:25] <arooni> is it possible to remote desktop from ubuntu 14.04 ==> OS X ?  i.e. so i could do things like compile iOS apps on my mac mini when i'm not home ?
[05:25] <rypervenche> ChibaPet: That will work too, using pavucontrol and not ALSA.
[05:25] <ChibaPet> ty both
[05:26] <rypervenche> ChibaPet: s/pavucontrol/PulseAudio/
[05:26] <homa> hi
[05:26] <nicomachus> ChibaPet: PulseAudio employs the ALSA components...
[05:27] <ChibaPet> Mm. I'm just finding that my command is muting a bunch of stuff, and I'm having to go in with alsamixer to unmute it all.
[05:27] <ChibaPet> I'll try these new invocations you've kindly provided.
[05:27] <nicomachus> ChibaPet: see here for more on ALSA/PulseAudio: https://askubuntu.com/questions/426983/how-can-i-tell-if-im-using-alsa-or-pulse-audio-by-default-switching-to-i3-wm
[05:27] <ChibaPet> ty
[05:27] <ChibaPet> (Ah, I'm thinking about i3 here. Heh.)
[05:29] <rypervenche> i3 ftw :)
[05:30] <ChibaPet> I script wmctrl and xprop to get tiling navigation now, and, um, dzen2, but it might be simpler to just use i3 stuff.
[05:31] <nicomachus> I never could get comfortable with tiling.
[05:32] <ChibaPet> My hybrid approach is floating windows with overlap, but tiling behaviour. It's a decent compromise, mostly arising from my dinosaurlike insistence on 80-column terminal windows.
[05:34] <vanish> need help running Minecraft on 15.10
[05:34] <ChibaPet> vanish: Server or client?
[05:37] <c3l> pkircher, Actually,I think this can be done with a python script. with evdev I can both read from /dev/input/eventX that is my keyboard, and generate custom input with uinput device
[05:41] <dirtypervert> Testing
[05:41] <dirtypervert> Microphone check
[05:42] <ChibaPet> Ah, that link had a subsequent link to http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/07/13/top-five-wrong-ways-to-fix-your-audio/, which gave me the glorious "echo autospawn=no > ~/.pulse/client.conf", and now my amixer sset is happy again.
[05:43] <nicomachus> !yay | ChibaPet
[05:43] <wjx> Is there anyone using ubuntu SDK?  I get iso-codes package Size mismatch error when trying to create build target
[05:43] <nicomachus> wjx: try #ubuntu-dev
[05:44] <nicomachus> or even #ubuntu-touch
[05:44] <wjx> thanks I will try
[05:45] <il-x> hallo
[05:48] <ChibaPet> Woot. So, as a reward for dominating .Xauthority, PulseAudio, libdvdcss, and if not dominating home-on-ZFS than at least fighting it to a draw, I'm going to watch a DVD. Good night all, and stay safe, those of you currently in the storm.
[05:57] <django_> hey all
[05:57] <django_> so i downloaded a tar.gz file
[05:57] <django_> how do i actually instsall it?
[05:57] <NoobsterMCTorval> I think you need to extract it
[05:57] <Jordan_U> django_: What are you actually trying to install?
[06:00] <django_> Jordan_U, trying to install a bare eclipse ide
[06:01] <Jordan_U> django_: What is wrong with eclipse from the repositories?
[06:04] <NoobsterMCTorval> Does anyone know the best way to get familiar with the command line?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !manual | NoobsterMCTorval
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> !bash | NoobsterMCTorval
[06:05] <rabbitdew> django: tar -xvJf filename.tar.gz; cd filename; ##check documentation of what you're installing, usually something like : ./configure; ./make; make install
[06:06] <NoobsterMCTorval> Django left
[06:07] <rabbitdew> oh..I'm ignoring quits
[06:08] <NoobsterMCTorval> Thanks. Lotus
[06:09] <NoobsterMCTorval> What do u mean though rabbit?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> NoobsterMCTorval: alot of packages/ commands also hold man pages (manual) so : man yourcommand
[06:09] <rabbitdew> and didn't notice, thanks for mentioning it. Oh well.
[06:09] <NoobsterMCTorval> Is man terminal a command?
[06:10] <NoobsterMCTorval> I would try it but I'm on my phone right now
[06:10] <rabbitdew> If you wanted to get more comfortable with an ubuntu command line you should probably try and get more comfortable with bash.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> NoobsterMCTorval: yes try man cp
[06:10] <NoobsterMCTorval> Rabbit, I'm trying to learn bash
[06:10] <rabbitdew> yeah dude! or man man
[06:11] <rabbitdew> or man bash
[06:11] <NoobsterMCTorval> I know z ok me simple commands dealing with directories and installing apps but that's about it
[06:11] <NoobsterMCTorval> I know some
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> NoobsterMCTorval: installing apps: sudo apt-get install yourpackage-name
[06:14] <NoobsterMCTorval> Alright thanks guys. Good night, I'm gonna go and start reading.
[06:18] <homa> are there my friends here?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> homa: this is ubuntu support channel
[06:23] <pkircher> right network routing question .. i got openstack installed single node with juju .. > the br is on <IP_ADDRESS> .. the host is on <IP_ADDRESS> .. > straight forward ..
[06:23] <pkircher> but juju puts the openstack components into a container .. with 10.0.4.X
[06:23] <pkircher> how would i actualy forward the ip to the containers
[06:24] <pkircher> preferable 1 static route for the full subnet
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> pkircher: ##networking
[06:25] <pkircher> ubuntu :P
[06:25] <pkircher> http://puu.sh/mHuc8/c2be21bc49.png
[06:27] <centric> what is statble version of coreutils for ubuntu 15.10?
[06:27] <centric> *stable
[06:27] <centric> !coreutils
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> centric: !info package
[06:29] <centric> !info dd
[06:29] <centric> !info coreutils
[06:29] <centric> !info coreutils wily
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | centric
[06:33] <centric> is coreutils 8.24 supported for ubuntu wily?
[06:43] <dani--> ive bought a TV Capture Card that is said to work well in ubuntu.. here's a link to a linux article.. my card is reviewd at the very bottom of the link... note what it says that the card works  "out of the box"  https://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T_PCI
[06:44] <dani--> do you think that means with any software??? what do you guys think??
[06:44] <dani--> it doesnt specify.. simply says "works out of the box"
[06:47] <Ben64> dani--: try it and find out?
[06:56] <dani--> it seams unlikely that the tv card will work out of the box without specific software in mind???
[06:56] <dani--> Ben64, ?
[06:57] <dani--> drivers only work with specific hardware dont they?
[06:57] <mark__> mare
[07:01] <Jordan_U> dani--: You of course need to install software that makes use of Tuner cards, like Kodi. In this case "Out of the box" likely is intended to mean, without installing any additional drivers or doing extra configuration beyond installing some software that uses the tuner.
[07:01] <dani--> thanks Jordan_U ... so do you think it will work on most tv software? such as Kaffiene?
[07:02] <dani--> or mythtv?
[07:03] <Jordan_U> dani--: Yes. While I don't have experience with any such software, I expect that they all support the same hardware since the hardware support is part of the kernel.
[07:03] <dani--> :) very good. thanks for your opinion mate
[07:03] <Jordan_U> dani--: You're welcome.
[07:04] <o> hi
[07:04] <Guest62268> 大家好
[07:09] <dani--> ne  how
[07:10] <decci> I have 24 packages to be installed and the packages are to be installed in sequence
[07:10] <dani--> good one decci
[07:10] <decci> What is the best possible way to get it installed...installer???
[07:10] <dani--> :<)
[07:10] <dani--> apt-get is easy
[07:10] <dani--> apt-get install *Software*
[07:11] <dani--> sudo apt-get install *Software*
[07:11] <decci> I want it to be installed off line
[07:11] <decci> Since few packages does need to be installed and require internet
[07:11] <dani--> not sure about that decci
[07:12] <decci> Say, I identified 4-5 packages and include everything under one folder
[07:12] <decci> Now will apt-get help???
[07:13] <decci> Will apt-get still look into the current folder
[07:13] <decci> To fetch the dependency
[07:16] <Jordan_U> decci: How did you figure out the appropriate packages to download? You can use dpkg and shell globs to install a set of packages, but I want to make sure that you've properly grabbed the correct packages first.
[07:17] <decci> Jordan_U: while installing I got the dependency errors and that's what I collected
[07:17] <decci> Jordan_U: well I am using fresh machine to identify the missing packages
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> decci: added ppa's of any kind?
[07:18] <decci> lotuspsychje: no...it's customer specific
[07:18] <decci> No...ppa
[07:19] <decci> Not avl on public forum
[07:19] <ZZZZ_> hey i run ubuntu tooo
[07:19] <ZZZZ_> hello guys
[07:19] <FiestyGirlXD> i don't like ubuntu
[07:19] <ZZZZ_> why not
[07:19] <ZZZZ_> :s
[07:19] <Jordan_U> decci: What are you trying to install exactly?
[07:19] <ZZZZ_> jordan_u do u help with ubuntu installs?
[07:19] <FiestyGirlXD> it just sucks
[07:20] <FiestyGirlXD> it's all orange and shit
[07:20] <FiestyGirlXD> makes it 3* worse
[07:20] <ZZZZ_> u can change the color scheme.........
[07:20] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: This channel is for Ubuntu support only, not for sharing your opinions.
[07:20] <ZZZZ_> geeze,,,,,,
[07:20] <FiestyGirlXD> true
[07:20] <Silenced> Memory card can't be read . Any way to access files of the memory card ?
[07:20] <ZZZZ_> silenced have u tried xlr sd?
[07:20] <Jordan_U> Silenced: How are you trying to access the files? What happens when you try?
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> Silenced: tried with gparted if you still can see the card
[07:21] <FiestyGirlXD> i put ubuntu on my grandma's computer
[07:21] <FiestyGirlXD> and she yelled at me
[07:21] <decci> Jordan_U: I have custom .deb packages built
[07:21] <FiestyGirlXD> how do i fix this?
[07:21] <decci> And they are couple of them
[07:21] <Jordan_U> decci: Did you build them or did someone else?
[07:21] <decci> But inn sequence
[07:21] <ZZZZ_> decci: nice bro
[07:21] <FiestyGirlXD> how to uninstall ubuntu
[07:21] <decci> Jordan_U: yes...I build it with my team
[07:21] <ZZZZ_> try debian fiestgirlxd
[07:21] <ZZZZ_> u might like it
[07:21] <Silenced> ZZZZ_, Jordan_U ,lotuspsychje : "sudo fdisk -l" doesn't shows any entry of the SD card
[07:21] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: Did you install Ubuntu alongside another OS, or did you replace the OS that was on the computer before?
[07:22] <FiestyGirlXD> i dunno
[07:22] <ZZZZ_> silenced ah, is the reader faulty by any chance?
[07:22] <FiestyGirlXD> as a browser
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> Silenced: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and insert your sd for errors
[07:22] <decci> Now I can install them but in sequence..
[07:22] <FiestyGirlXD> yeah, that's how
[07:22] <soman> [XUbuntu] How to setup pppoe network via router with Network manager? At this moment I configured ppoe with 'ppoeconf' and after editing /etc/network/interfaces I always get 'Waiting up network for 60 sec' and 'Booting system without full network support'. Internet works.
[07:22] <Silenced> Nope.  Are you connected from your Grandmother's computer right now?
[07:27] <FiestyGirlXD> i went online
[07:27] <FiestyGirlXD> and clicked install
[07:27] <FiestyGirlXD> i went to the ubuntu website
[07:28] <Jordan_U> Silenced: If the card isn't showing up as a disk at all, there's not really anything you can do about that in software. Seems like a hardware problem. Does "dmesg" reveal any relevant looking error messages when you plug the SD card in?
[07:30] <Michael_Wright> hi
[07:31] <Michael_Wright> i am wondering can you tell me, is intel b960 with 4GB of ram and 2nd gen intel hd graphics is it compatible with Ubuntu? this laptop is running windows 8.1 perfectly but i'm getting tired of windows..
[07:32] <Jordan_U> Michael_Wright: Try Ubuntu from a LiveUSB first and see how well it works on your hardware before installing.
[07:32] <Michael_Wright> alright
[07:32] <barnito> ubuntu will run on almost anyhting
[07:32] <Michael_Wright> jordan_U if you had to guess would it work fine?
[07:34] <Jordan_U> Michael_Wright: Intel graphics are generally well supported out of the box, any CPU will be supported just find, and 4 GiB of RAM is more than enough for most use cases (especially since it seems like enough RAM for what you want to do in Windows). Where compatability becomes an issue with hardware tends to be Wireless cards, so you should check that wireless works in the live environment before installin
[07:34] <Jordan_U> g.
[07:37] <agung> hi
[07:37] <agung> hi
[07:37] <FiestyGirlXD> hi person
[07:37] <agung> a yes ...
[07:37] <agung> this is ubuntu server ????
[07:38] <FiestyGirlXD> this is where we get down and dirty
[07:38] <agung> i"ve 1 question for my xubuntu desktop .....
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> !server | agung
[07:39] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: Please limit your comments to only productive Ubuntu support discussion. This is your second warning. Further unproductive comments will lead to removal from the channel.
[07:39] <agung> Can I change desktop enviroment to kde desktop ?????
[07:40] <FiestyGirlXD> oh, sorry
[07:40] <Jordan_U> agung: Yes you can, but for future questions please limit yourself to a single question mark.
[07:41] <agung> yes ,, thank you ... I newbie to use xchat .... hehehe
[07:41] <Jordan_U> agung: If you install the "kubuntu-desktop" metapackage then you will get all of the packages that are installed in a default installation of Kubuntu, but will still keep all of your existing applications. You can then choose a KDE session from the login manager. Note that since you'll have applications from both Xubuntu and Kubuntu your application menus will be more cluttered than they would be if you h
[07:41] <Jordan_U> ad just installed one or the other.
[07:42] <ZZZZ_> jordran_u what do u recommend for a first time user as a desktop environment
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | ZZZZ_
[07:43] <dani--> ZZZZ_, avoid gnome and avoid unity
[07:43] <agung> kde desktop will fine in my laptop?? because i use the old laptop with low spec .....
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !behelpful | dani--
[07:43] <dani--> ubottu i dont mean to be un helpfull
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> dani--: unity and gnome are also user friendly in use
[07:44] <dani--> i wont argue
[07:45] <Jordan_U> ZZZZ_: I don't know. Unity is the Ubuntu default, and seems like it's probably pretty easy to use but GNOME, XFCE, and KDE seem pretty intuitive also. It's very subjective. I like GNOME Shell and XFCE, but I'm far from a first time user and honestly which DE I'm using doesn't really affect my use cases much.
[07:45] <agung> if install the kde ,, I'll have the 2 enviroment before login ??
[07:45] <dani--> kde is much better
[07:46] <dani--> i recommend kde or cinamin or mate or metacity
[07:46] <agung> yes ,, i think so ....
[07:46] <LambdaComplex> ZZZZ_: Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, and XFCE are all good choices really
[07:46] <The_Letter_M> Yu[
[07:46] <The_Letter_M> Yup
[07:46] <The_Letter_M> KDE is the only of those that I haven't used extensively
[07:46] <agung> my laptop is low spec ... i had only 512 mb of ram .....
[07:47] <LambdaComplex> agung: Eh, KDE isn't really a good choice if you have that little RAM
[07:47] <Jordan_U> agung: KDE might be a bit much for that little RAM, probably best to stick with XFCE or buy more RAM.
[07:47] <LambdaComplex> Could also try openbox
[07:48] <dani--> xubuntu is low specs
[07:48] <agung> i see slax use the kde enviroment ....
[07:48] <lahaugen87> 512mb? Try Lubuntu...
[07:49] <agung> I use the xubuntu ... maybe instal the lubuntu desktop enviroment????
[07:50] <agung> i think slax can install in hdd partition .... but not ... just in the disk ....
[07:51] <FiestyGirlXD> how do i get company of heroes II working on ubuntu
[07:51] <FiestyGirlXD> this is annoying
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> FiestyGirlXD: did you try playonlinux?
[07:52] <Jordan_U> agung: What don't you like about XFCE?
[07:53] <FiestyGirlXD> i already own it and all
[07:53] <FiestyGirlXD> alright
[07:53] <FiestyGirlXD> how do i download linuxpolay
[07:54] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: Did you install it via Steam or through some other method?
[07:54] <lahaugen87> agung, founf a test on the interwebs where someone compared the RAM usage of different distros. http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.no/2014/11/ubuntu-1410-vs-kubuntu-1410-vs-xubuntu.html
[07:54] <FiestyGirlXD> got it on steam
[07:54] <FiestyGirlXD> that's the method i used
[07:54] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: What happens when you try to play the game?
[07:55] <agung> i think xfce is weight for my pc ...
[07:55] <FiestyGirlXD> i get mad and fling my arms around
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> FiestyGirlXD: he means, what happens as error?
[07:56] <Jordan_U> FiestyGirlXD: This is your last warning about unproductive comments.
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> agung: lubuntu for nice and light
[07:58] <agung> yes , I'll try it later .... thank for your sugestion .... :)
[07:59] <zermizh> i just installed lubuntu.  pretty amazed by how small everything is
[07:59] <zermizh> totally resurrected my laptop
[07:59] <kfm2> does it auto resize resolution in vmware?
[08:00] <zermizh> haven't installed vmware yet, still pretty new to linux in general
[08:00] <Jordan_U> kfm2: Please clarify your question.
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> zermizh: this is an ubuntu support channel here, please only use for questions
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> zermizh: you can use #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss for other chat
[08:01] <kfm2> currently im trying to figure out why ubuntu doesnt auto-fit the resolution to the vmware window
[08:01] <kfm2> even though vmware guest tools are installed
[08:01] <agung> Can linux open the apk file .... i see the android use the linux kernel ...
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> agung: what are you trying to do exactly?
[08:03] <agung> i try to open , but not happend ..... i think the format not support
[08:04] <Jordan_U> kfm2: Please pastebin the output of "lsmod" and "pgrep vmware" from within the guest.
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> agung: is this what you need? http://xmodulo.com/how-to-run-android-emulator-on-ubuntu-or-debian.html
[08:05] <Jordan_U> agung: Short answer, no. Longer answer, it's possible but probably not worth the trouble. Why Android and Ubuntu both use a linux kernel, almost everything above the kernel is completely different.
[08:06] <Jordan_U> agung: *While
[08:07] <dani--> Jordan_U, can you recommend a piece of software to use with my tv tuner card? I've heard MythTV is the best.. but it's too heavy weight.. i need something i can shrink and leave on top on my desktop while i work on my computer.... any suggestions?
[08:07] <agung> yes thank you for your answer .......
[08:07] <Jordan_U> dani--: I haven't used any of such software before so no.
[08:07] <dani--> ah np
[08:08] <kfm2> Jordan_U, this is the output of lsmod, but "pgrep vmware" shows nothing: http://pastebin.com/uqwaVFN5
[08:13] <Jordan_U> kfm2: You have the vmware kernel modules inserted but the vmware-tools daemon isn't running. How did you install vmware-tools?
[08:13] <kfm2> Jordan_U, oh i switched setting to "Scale all window contents to match: "Unknown Display"", now it works :D
[08:13] <kfm2> Jordan_U, I extracted the archive in /media/$username and run the install.pl file as root
[08:28] <qbez> hello
[08:30] <trixtator> hi
[08:39] <pkircher> regarding juju-openstack single .. is there a way to change the vm sizes of the 3 nodes ?
[08:41] <craz> I am trying to get logitech harmony elite to work with my ubuntu PC, but I cant. It worked well with my old logitech harmony one, but now I am totally lost. Anyone able to offer some guidance?
[08:45] <Bassem> is there something work like hotspotshield for ubuntu
[08:47] <Jordan_U> Bassem: hotspotshield seems to just be a VPN, and yes most VPN solutions work with Ubuntu.
[08:48] <Bassem> Jordan_U, so is there one for ubuntu ? or i should install hotspotshield on ubuntu
[08:48] <Jordan_U> Bassem: Do you know what a VPN is?
[08:49] <Bassem> Jordan_U, yes i do, virtual private network
[08:49] <pkircher> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[08:49] <lahaugen87> Do you use it for privacy?
[08:49] <Bassem> Jordan_U, hotspotshield help me to browse the internet through vpn which give me more privacy
[08:50] <pkircher> openvpn will do the same
[08:50] <pkircher> just follow the wiki
[08:50] <Bassem> Jordan_U, so i wonder if there's a program do the same for ubuntu i just need to install hotspotshield on ubuntu
[08:50] <Jordan_U> Bassem: Great. Assuming that hotspotshield is just a VPN and nothing more, you can probably connect to it via network manager in Ubuntu without installing any additional software. If it's more than just that, then to be honest you probably don't want the other "features" of hotspotshield's software anyway.
[08:51] <lahaugen87> Bassem. Then pay for one... This one i basicly giving ALL your information to one company who live off selling your information
[08:51] <lahaugen87> If its free, you are the product...
[08:51] <pkircher> and if you pay a bill for the server .. its not privat anymore
[08:52] <pkircher> its traceable to you .. rather easyly
[08:52] <Bassem> Jordan_U, but i dont know the details of the vpn to connect to it how can get vpn details
[08:53] <lahaugen87> One rather easy way to provide some privacy is using 2 browsers. One for face etc and bank. And one for all the others.
[08:54] <lahaugen87> Atleast it protects you from threads like this. VPN do not. http://brettpthomas.com/online-porn-could-be-the-next-big-privacy-scandal.html
[08:54] <pkircher> lahaugen87: not true .. to the outside its still the same ip :)
[08:55] <lahaugen87> IP is not your biggest thread. Your unique browser is
[08:55] <pkircher> security comes in layers ..
[08:56] <pkircher> a vpn is useless .. same as just a different browser ..
[08:56] <pkircher> :)
[08:56] <pkircher> you need to layer it ..
[08:56] <ttal> i am running ubuntu 15.10, there is no way to re-arrange or remove PLaces in Nautilus right? If not can anyone recommend a file manager that can?
[08:56] <pkircher> anyway if you are consirn about your privacy .. use tor ..
[08:57] <pkircher> and ofc for your banking stuff a separat browser where you actualy have anony. sessions with empty cookies / localstore
[08:58] <mech422__> Hi all - can anyone tell me what this is? I was told we have a 'repo' at blah/blah/ubuntu/lucid|precise|trusty/binary/Package.gz - there's no 'dists' directory and no Releases file - just Packages.gz and a manifest?
[08:59] <mech422__> thats not really a repo is it? its like a dump of someone's apt directory ?
[09:00] <viju> What's the next stable version of Ubuntu?
[09:00] <lahaugen87> 16.04
[09:00] <viju> I mean the LTS version.
[09:00] <Ben64> the next version is the next lts, 16.04
[09:00] <viju> Okay, I'll opt for that one before 2017
[09:00] <Jordan_U> Bassem: Who are you trying to gain privacy from? If you use a VPN (with the exception of TOR) you are basically just changing who can see where you're browsing to. Without a proxy, your ISP can see where you're browsing to and with a proxy the company running the proxy service can see where you're browsing.
[09:01] <viju> Avoided to upgrade to 2014 LTS as it didn't make sense to upgrade from 2012
[09:01] <viju> It's just been  2 years since
[09:02] <Ben64> viju: yes, new LTS is every 2 years
[09:02] <Bassem> Jordan_U, some website are blocked in my location, and hotspotshield give me access to it
[09:02] <viju> I see.
[09:02] <Ben64> viju: support for LTS versions is 5 years, you can't wait 4 years each time or you'll run out
[09:03] <viju> Didn
[09:03] <viju> Didn't catch the last one.
[09:04] <viju> I mean why not release it after 4 years instead?
[09:04] <pkircher> because its how they do it ..
[09:05] <viju> It only added the confusion, so, I might wonder if I should upgrade again in 2018
[09:05] <Ben64> viju: normally you'd upgrade LTS every 2 years
[09:05] <pkircher> i dont even see the point talking about is right now +1 to that ..
[09:05] <Jordan_U> Bassem: OK. For that any VPN service should do. http://itshidden.eu/ is a free service that supports OpenVPN and so should work with network-manager out of the box. Note that I have no experience with this service, and for all I know they may be aweful.
[09:05] <pkircher> you keep the system uptodate anyway . so you gotta have some sort of orchistration in place
[09:06] <viju> I keep the whole system updated. But I don't know what upgrades provided from one LTS to another.
[09:06] <viju> are*
[09:07] <pkircher> just change the apt source and run a upgrade
[09:07] <viju> At the same time I don't want to be left behind and not upgrade because I don't understand some things.
[09:07] <pkircher> its mostly as simple as that
[09:08] <Bassem> Jordan_U, thanks alot i'll give it a look
[09:08] <Jordan_U> pkircher: That is *NOT* the correct way to upgrade Ubuntu, please be more careful about the advice you give.
[09:09] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | viju pkircher
[09:09] <Jordan_U> Bassem: You're welcome.
[09:09] <viju> Jordan_U, I'll have at a look at it.
[09:09] <viju> Thanks!
[09:10] <Jordan_U> viju: You're welcome.
[09:10] <viju> One more thing, if I upgrade as in the instructions, what happens to my files and other settings?
[09:11] <viju> I am more concerned about my files.
[09:11] <park> hi
[09:14] <geirha> viju: Apt will never touch any files in your homedir, if that's what you're afraid of
[09:15] <Jordan_U> viju: Note that even if you never upgrade, you should always have good backups of all of your important files in case your hard drive dies, or your house burns down, etc.
[09:17] <viju> Okay, I'll backup everything before the upgrade.
[09:17] <viju> Waiting for the 16.04 release.
[09:19] <Ben64> viju: you have two upgrades to do to get to 16.04 from 12.04
[09:20] <LibertyWeNeed> does anyone know a chatroom that is focused on gaming? I want to ask about call of duty.
[09:21] <viju> Ben64, I can't skip to 16.04?
[09:21] <Ben64> viju: nope
[09:30] <dylan14022012> ciao
[09:32] <Jordan_U> LibertyWeNeed: If you're using steam to get Call of Duty, then #ubuntu-steam might be able to help.
[09:36] <LibertyWeNeed> Jordan_U, Thank your reply. I wanted to ask what call of duty version is the one that is setup in a WWII era and has the American's V.S the Nazi's ?
[09:38] <Jordan_U> LibertyWeNeed: That's not Ubuntu related at all. This channel isn't a channel for finding other IRC channels, it's for Ubuntu support. For finding channels use alis, and for help learning how to use the network please join ##freenode.
[09:38] <Jordan_U> !alis | LibertyWeNeed
[09:40] <LibertyWeNeed> Thank you
[09:43] <Linus_> Hello, in Synaptic, it better to CHECK/UNCHECK:  "consider recommended as dependencies"
[09:44] <Linus_> i have seen guides give contradicting advice
[09:44] <Linus_> by default i think it comes CHECKed
[09:45] <zin_> Hi
[09:45] <zin_> need help regarding installation in ubuntu
[09:46] <hatsuneMiku> hi
[09:46] <zin_> i already have python 2.7.9 installed but when i am trying to install python-gnuradio-core .. it says
[09:47] <zin_> packages have unmet dependencies
[09:47] <zin_> depends:python (<2.7) but 2.7.9 is to be installed
[09:47] <zin_> unable to correct problem, you have held broken packages
[09:47] <zin_> how to fix it up
[09:47] <jul4> hi all i have problem connecting to my wifi..need help
[09:47] <Jordan_U> Linus_: It's somewhat personal preference. In one case you're more likely to run into missing functionality, in the other you're more likely to end up with packages you don't want or need. Which do you think would bother you more?
[09:48] <Linus_> what r the downsides of extra packages, besides Disk-space?
[09:49] <Jordan_U> Linus_: In most cases, that's it.
[09:49] <bijan_> How do I make an executable start automatically in ubuntu 14.04 Server?
[09:50] <Linus_> Jordan_U: well, i guess also, more updating time & amount.. could annoy some people
[09:50] <Jordan_U> Linus_: There are a few packages that start services by default, like openssh-server, mysql, apache2, but I wouldn't expect any of those to be part of recommends for another package.
[09:50] <Linus_> Jordan_U: but if it doesnt take up more RAM or CPU,  i guess it doen't matter
[09:51] <Linus_> Jordan_U: or do the "extra" packages have more security vulnerabilities?
[09:52] <Linus_> Jordan_U: i've noticed the hardcore-security guys, love super bare-boned systems
[09:54] <Linus_> i guess the reason, i'm asking is, i did turn OFF "recommended  packages " a while ago, and i'm wondering if that is causing problems now,   just like the error message zin got above.
[09:55] <Linus_> This is my error message:          :0: UserWarning: You do not have a working installation of the service_identity module: 'No module named pyasn1_modules.rfc2459'.  Please install it from <https://pypi.python.org/pypi/service_identity> and make sure all of its dependencies are satisfied.  Without the service_identity module and a recent enough pyOpenSSL to support it, Twisted can perform only rudimentary TLS client hostname verification.  Many valid
[09:55] <Linus_> certificate/hostname mappings may be rejected.
[09:58] <ezech_> hi, I want to change the ubuntu 15.10 theme to something less pinky/purply
[09:59] <kfm2> just inject more female hormones to like it
[09:59] <Linus_> Linus_: that error, is from when i log in to my VPN (but the VPN still works.  i looked it up, it is something about preventing MitM attack)
[10:01] <ezech_> kfm2, what if I am female hormones producer and I still hate it? :)
[10:01] <lele_> ciao
[10:01] <lele_> !list
[10:01] <kfm2> ezech_, then I would install cinnamon ;-D
[10:02] <ezech_> kfm2, I did, I like ubuntu better - just need some nice looking theme for unity
[10:02] <ezech_> or if you mean a desktop environment, I like unity better
[10:03] <ezech_> just too dead-body color scheme
[10:03] <elky> what.
[10:03] <gswebspace> ezech_:  how about ubuntu MATE ?
[10:03] <Naruni> hello, im trying to work libvirt via virt-manager and app armor is giving me quite a headache. when creating a VM i get the message Unable to complete install: 'error from service: ListActivatableNames: Failed to query AppArmor policy: No such file or directory'
[10:04] <k1l> ezech_: use another theme then.
[10:04] <k1l> !themes
[10:04] <Naruni> I've tried disabling app armor for libvirtd via: sudo apparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.libvirt.virt-aa-helper and sudo apparmor_parser -R /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.libvirtd
[10:05] <Naruni> if i restore the apparmor then it will create the VM
[10:05] <Naruni> im very confused about this behavior
[10:05] <ezech_> k1l, I'm browsing them but I can't find one that works (like doesn't have white font on light grey and other stupidity like that)
[10:06] <ezech_> which non-default you usually use?
[10:09] <Silenced> Memory card can't be accessed . Any way to access files of the memory card ?
[10:10] <ikonia> if it can't be accessed, how do you expect to access it ?
[10:10] <ikonia> "why" can't it be accessed
[10:10] <ezech_> Silenced, if your card is going bad try using it in the last device it was successfully working in
[10:13] <ezech_> ok, so a different question - is there a repository with unity themes or do I need to ancient-times-linux-engineer gtk themes made for other de's?
[10:13] <ikonia> not aware of specific unity themes
[10:14] <ikonia> there seems to be very little specific themes designed for unity
[10:14] <ikonia> not all the GTK themes seem to be picked up by unity
[10:14] <mech422__> ezech_: personally - personally, I like KDE, but there should be plenty of gtk/gnome themes around ?
[10:14] <mech422__> ezech_: doesn't gnome have some sort of widget for downloading new themes ?
[10:16] <DaHopi> Hello, my mobile broadband is no longer visible in NetworkManager. yesterday it worked.. ;) ubuntu 14.04, elitebook qualcam Adapter. any idea?
[10:16] <ikonia> DaHopi: is it a dongle ?
[10:16] <DaHopi> nope, internal HP adapter
[10:16] <ikonia> does it show up in the hardware list ?
[10:17] <mech422__> DaHopi: it doesn't have a 'hot key' to disable it in hardware does it? a lot of lappies have them...
[10:17] <DaHopi> jap hw is OK and syslog shows messages
[10:17] <ikonia> so it's just network manager not displaying it
[10:17] <ikonia> (in the applet I assume)
[10:17] <DaHopi> jap hotkey exists and is in, if i Boot win10 it works..
[10:18] <DaHopi> jeah i think its just a display Problem..
[10:18] <ikonia> can you manually add the device ?
[10:18] <ikonia> does it show up in the network-manager command line tool ?
[10:18] <DaHopi> if i Start network settings, theres no wwan option
[10:19] <DaHopi> ikonia: no
[10:19] <ezech_> mech422__, gnome does have a widget for themes, I'm using unity though
[10:19] <Silenced> ezech_: No man. Its not working in any device
[10:20] <Silenced> The problem is that its not even accessible
[10:20] <DaHopi> ikonia: is there a shell command that i can try?
[10:20] <ezech_> Silenced, replace it for a new one if you still have a receipt then, consider it broken
[10:20] <DaHopi> on ubuntu 12.04 had mmcli
[10:20] <ikonia> DaHopi: have you tried the network-manager command line interface ?
[10:20] <Silenced> I need the data in it.  Been trying from morning. Couldn't find a solution :/ Atleast if it mounts i can try something. Its not even mounting up :/
[10:22] <ikonia> Silenced: it won't mount if it can't be seen / dead
[10:41] <mech422__> ezech_: Sorry - I haven't really followed the whole unity thing - I thought it was just a gnome skin and some applets/'lenses' :-P
[10:41] <Volkodav> tomreyn:
[10:42] <Volkodav> tomreyn: I figured it out - the video package error is gone
[10:42] <k1l> mech422__: its a bit more. its another gnome-shell using compiz.
[10:43] <bestbirdaround> ImportError: No module named gi.repository
[10:43] <bestbirdaround> please help
[10:43] <mech422__> k1l: ahh... so shouldn't compiz/gnome themes work with it ? errr...or would it be gtk themes these days ?
[10:44] <k1l> bestbirdaround: what ubuntu exactly? what are you doing?
[10:44] <k1l> mech422__: since unity is somewhat different from the gnome gnome-shell you need themes made for unity.
[10:44] <bestbirdaround> k1l: 14.04, I messed up my libraries with pip (prob) trying to get some dev versions and get my hands dirty with gtk+ development
[10:44] <bestbirdaround> now no app using it is albe to work
[10:45] <k1l> sorry, i am not familiar with pip
[10:46] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: if you find out which package is messed up, you can purge/re-install the debs
[10:47] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: then if you play with pip - do it in an virtualenv :-)
[10:47] <k1l> bestbirdaround: are you sure you dont want pygtk?
[10:47] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: It's python2-gobject or python3-gi
[10:47] <bestbirdaround> but I reinstalled both and problem presists
[10:47] <bestbirdaround> that's why I'm here
[10:47] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: sounds like pip updated another module as well
[10:47] <k1l> yes, seems you need pygobjekt
[10:48] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: It's really old installation, I would like to try some stuff before reinstalling
[10:48] <Remind> Hey there!
[10:48] <Remind> Just curious if anyone's around that's willing to help, new user here running into a few issues during installation
[10:48] <bestbirdaround> at current state a lot of my favorite software is broken
[10:49] <k1l> bestbirdaround: is python-gi installed?
[10:49] <k1l> bestbirdaround: but pip uses its own software repos.
[10:49] <ezech_> ok, I've solved my themes issue with some noobslab repos and gnome themes applet which worked well enough - it even added some gnome wallpapers :)
[10:49] <bestbirdaround> k1l: I'm not sure it's broken by pip, might be as it was last think I was doing before I noticed
[10:50] <bestbirdaround> k1l: python3-gi is isntalled
[10:50] <k1l> bestbirdaround: python-gi
[10:50] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: ok - re-installing the python packages really shouldn't hurt but up to you - just remember, in the future - python lets you create 'virtualenvs' for playing with stuff like this - insulates your system libraries from any 'funny stuff'
[10:51] <Remind> I formatted my drive to ext4 (just to wipe it), tried a Ubuntu install with LUKS encryption and LVM. When I would try to put I would get an error that said the Filesystem could not be mounted: /boot/efi, I could Skip (S) or Manual Config (M). Neither one would always work, most times it leaded to me having to power off again. I also noticed that when I boot I get a ton of errors with nouveau that spam my screen. I'm running live right
[10:51] <bestbirdaround> k1l: I'll try reinstalling python-gi I didn't notice that one was there as well
[10:51] <Remind> WHen I would try to reboot*
[10:52] <bestbirdaround> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-gi
[10:52] <bestbirdaround> ImportError: No module named gi.repository
[10:52] <bestbirdaround> still
[10:52] <Remind> THis was a windows computer but I used gparted to wipe the drive. It still uses UEFI and Secure Boot
[10:52] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: how would I do that?
[10:52] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/dev/virtualenvs/
[10:52] <bestbirdaround> The reinstall part.
[10:53] <k1l> bestbirdaround: most apt stuff depends on python. so if you break python by manual (or with pip) changing files that might not work anymore
[10:53] <Remind> Anyone have any suggestions by chance?
[10:53] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: oh sorry - um - I'd probably just purge/re-install all the python-gtk stuff
[10:54] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: the command line apt client shouldn't need gtk, so I don't think that will be a problem
[10:54] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: I tired a lot of doint that. I might have missed some packages but I don't think this will take me anywhere with more blind reinstalls.
[10:54] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: It doesn't.
[10:54] <bestbirdaround> doing*
[10:55] <bestbirdaround> Can I have another question.
[10:55] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: It might be easier then trying to track down if pip upgraded any of the 'C' libraries...
[10:55] <k1l> mech422__: the command line commands use python which doesnt work when python is messed up
[10:56] <remind> I formatted my drive to ext4 (just to wipe it), tried a Ubuntu install with LUKS encryption and LVM. When I would try to restart I would get an error that said the Filesystem could not be mounted: /boot/efi, I could Skip (S) or Manual Config (M). Neither one would always work, most times it leaded to me having to power off again. I also noticed that when I boot I get a ton of errors with nouveau that spam my screen. I'm running live ri
[10:56] <mech422__> k1l: its only his python gtk modules that are messed up isn't it ? eg 'python ' starts a REPL ?
[10:57] <Silenced_v2> Can i install a dual boot . I have ubuntu now.  Can i install Windows now ?
[10:57] <mech422__> remind: sounds like ya got one of them new fangled EFI bios's and you wiped something it was looking for ?
[10:57] <remind> mech422__: Can I do anything to fix that?
[10:57] <bestbirdaround> Silenced_v2: If you have free space on your drive then sure.
[10:57] <remind> mec422__: Please be gentle, new user here, haha
[10:57] <k1l> Silenced_v2: yes,
[10:58] <bestbirdaround> Silenced_v2: Mind that you will need linux live to fix grub afterwards.
[10:58] <mech422__> remind: I'd imagine a new release of one of the 'rescue' CDs might be able to help ?
[10:58] <k1l> mech422__: see 5minutes before in backlog. even apt-get doesnt work
[10:58] <mech422__> remind: I really don't know much about EFI
[10:58] <Silenced_v2> I need to reduce the size of /home . Will that affect the data in it ?
[10:58] <bestbirdaround> Silenced_v2: It is the program that allows you to boot to either of your OSes, windows will not install it
[10:58] <mech422__> k1l: oh - I though he meant he ran the apt-get and his gtk stuff still didn't work
[10:59] <bestbirdaround> Silenced_v2: Do it from live usb with gparted, it should allow you to shrink your partition without affecting your data BUT
[10:59] <remind> mec422__: I'm not sworn to UEFI, but when I  try to select Legacy it won't let me boot into the USB, even under boot options. Even if I pick the USB with the live ISO, it boots into my network controller it seems because it starts talking about DHCP
[10:59] <bestbirdaround> Silenced_v2: BUT please do a backup
[10:59] <Silenced_v2> But ?
[10:59] <mech422__> k1l: he could manually unpack the archived versions of the .debs...but icck....
[10:59] <Silenced_v2> Damn :/ i always hate this backing up stuff
[11:00] <net2014> hello
[11:00] <net2014> is it safe to press control alt f1? it seems like a terminal, but I never logged in
[11:01] <k1l> net2014: its called "tty1". its a console
[11:01] <bestbirdaround> mech422__, k1l any ideas?
[11:01] <Silenced_v2> Does anyone use guake here ?
[11:01] <remind> mec422__: Thanks for the help. I'm kind of at a stand still because I have no idea what to do. I don't have anymore files on this computer at all, however, after struggling to get into the live USB (it takes a lot of restarts because it just won't make it to the install), all I want is a fresh install with Ubuntu working :(
[11:01] <bestbirdaround> I saw you both talking about my problem.
[11:02] <bestbirdaround> net2014: it is safe, you can get out of ther with ctrl+alt+f7, those are just your graphic environments
[11:02] <MonkeyDust> Silenced_v2  i tried guake once, but dropped it, because of keybinding issues i couldnt change
[11:02] <bestbirdaround> it's just normal console you are seeing
[11:03] <Silenced_v2> MonkeyDust i guess those key binding bugs are fixed now
[11:03] <k1l> bestbirdaround: revert the changes you made. that is all i can say ./
[11:03] <bestbirdaround> k1l: easier said then done
[11:03] <k1l> bestbirdaround: sadly yes :/
[11:03] <net2014> bestbirdaround, once a game stuck, pressed control alt f1 then control alt f7 and game quit, how is that possible?
[11:03] <bestbirdaround> k1l: I think I'll start backing up my data and proparing my body for 5h of configuring and installing stuff
[11:03] <Silenced_v2> Could someone supply with any tutorial or link on how to use tmux ?
[11:04] <mech422__> bestbirdaround: depends how big a hammer you want to take to it...you could boot a live/rescue cd and use that to recover ?
[11:04] <bestbirdaround> mech422__: at that point I would rather do clean installation
[11:04] <remind> Would anyone else have an idea: I can't boot into a fresh install of Ubuntu because of 2 reasons it seems (And I use to have Windows, but I don't dual boot): Filesystem could not be mounted: /boot/efi, and a ton of nouveau errors that spam. I can get the live USB to work but it takes a lot of restarts until it finally takes
[11:04] <k1l> bestbirdaround: you might want to change your "testing environment" for an easier rollback. like using snapshots or vms
[11:04] <django_> hey all im trying to do this: http://fbksoft.com/6-tips-to-make-eclipse-lighter-prettier-and-more-efficient/
[11:05] <mech422__> remind: can you just disable network boot in your bios to get the usb to boot ?
[11:05] <remind> mech422__: Using legacy?
[11:05] <bestbirdaround> k1l: I don't have one. It's my home PC for games and stuff. Next time I start installing random libraries with stuff outside of apt-get
[11:05] <mech422__> remind: shouldn't have too - you can usually just tell your NICS not to net boot
[11:05] <remind> mech422__: I wouldn't mind using legacy, to be honest I don't know too much of a difference between Legacy, UEFI, and UEFI with CSM. Currently it's set to UEFI and has Secure Boot on
[11:05] <mech422__> remind: its usually in the 'boot order' stuff
[11:05] <bestbirdaround> I'll make sure to sandbox it somethow or prepare a rollback
[11:06] <mech422__> Does Secure boot work with linux ? I thought you needed some signed cert for that to work ?
[11:06] <remind> mech422__: The whole network manager thing only happens if I switch to Legacy. When I switch to UEFI it boots, but I get all of those errors I talked about. I figured with the whole 'could not be mounted /boot/efi' it was related to using UEFI
[11:06] <k1l> mech422__: secureboot works with ubuntu
[11:07] <mech422__> k1l: oh, cool
[11:07] <bestbirdaround> k1l: Didn't UEFI too with newest one
[11:07] <bestbirdaround> ?
[11:07] <mech422__> k1l: did ubuntu pay for a cert ? or do all linuxes work with it now ?
[11:08] <remind> What else could cause the /boot/efi not mounting errors that's preventing me from booting? I thought maybe there was a trace of the Windows MBR or something but I formatted/deleted all of the partitions using GParted
[11:08] <k1l> iirc all big linux distributions paid for a cert. but i am not too much into that secureboot/uefi topic
[11:09] <mech422__> remind: I _think_ that might be part of the problem - I seem to recall something about EFI using a disk partition for bootloaders and utilitys ?
[11:09] <mech422__> remind: best thing I can say, is google linux UEFI install ??
[11:10] <k1l> !uefi
[11:10] <django_> I ran this command: tar -zxvf eclipse-platform-4.6M4-linux-gtk.tar.gz  where do i find the output?
[11:10] <remind> I just saw "QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology (SRT) should be disabled"
[11:11] <remind> But without windows, how could I even do that?
[11:11] <mech422__> remind: bios setup screen ?
[11:11] <mech422__> remind: my machien is actually UEFI and has all kinds of stuff I don't touch in the bios :-P
[11:11] <remind> mech422__: There's nothing about fast boot in my BIOS, I saw that before and went through every menu
[11:12] <mech422__> remind: quickboot/fastboot is a bios function though..??
[11:12] <mech422__> remind: that skips the RAM check and stuff
[11:12] <remind> Mech422__: I couldn't find it anywhere
[11:12] <k1l> remind: please see the bots message for uefi
[11:12] <mech422__> remind: it might be called 'POST' - fast post or quick post or something
[11:14] <DaHopi> ikonia: im back, now on a long range train..
[11:14] <DaHopi> ;)
[11:15] <DaHopi> ikonia: any idea to solve my broadband issue?
[11:15] <DaHopi> ikonia: i dont have the nework-manager command line command..
[11:15] <Tommii> remind: hey man
[11:15] <DaHopi> nm-tool doesnt shows wwan adapter..
[11:17] <Tommii> remind:   maybe try updating BIOS/EFI?
[11:19] <Tommii> remind: maybe try installing without encryption, to see if that even works
[11:21] <django_> hey all im trying to install a bare bone eclipse. I installed platform binaries and ran the tar.gz but when i run the executable nothing happens
[11:21] <bekks> django_: How did you "install" it?
[11:21] <LostSoul_> Hi
[11:21] <django_> from here http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.5.1-201509040015/#PlatformRuntime
[11:21] <django_> bekks,
[11:22] <haidar> hiii
[11:22] <LostSoul_> I setup ldap(libnss-ldap) + kerbos
[11:22] <bestbirdaround> django_: use ubuntu-make
[11:22] <LostSoul_> I gave users access to server from AD
[11:22] <django_> bestbirdaround, how?
[11:22] <haidar> please I need help in Ubunto
[11:22] <django_> this: ./configure && make && sudo make install ? bestbirdaround
[11:22] <haidar> please I need help in Ubunto
[11:22] <haidar> please I need help in Ubunto
[11:22] <haidar> please I need help in Ubunto
[11:22] <haidar> please I need help in Ubunto
[11:22] <bestbirdaround> django_: It's cool tool from ubuntu to install popular IDEs and developing evironments
[11:23] <LostSoul_> Now, my samba users can only join if they are accessibly by ssh/ldap - what can I do to give them access based on AD?
[11:23] <bestbirdaround> django_: what is your version of ubuntu?
[11:23] <django_> bestbirdaround, then thing is i have eclipse installed, id like to install a bare bone version like how they explain here: http://fbksoft.com/6-tips-to-make-eclipse-lighter-prettier-and-more-efficient/
[11:23] <shaffl> hi there! is there a way to preserve modification time of a directory when a file located in that directory is deleted?
[11:23] <bekks> django_: Download the official Eclipse tarball, unpack it, done.
[11:24] <mech422__> django_: btw - the jetbrains ide is much nicer then eclipse, last I looked - and its free now for android development
[11:24] <bestbirdaround> django_: run executable with terminal, there must be some output
[11:24] <bekks> django_: No need for installing something, you can use Eclipse from your home, which is actually the most sane way, when it comes to installing upgrades, etc.
[11:24] <django_> *confused*
[11:25] <bestbirdaround> django_: Open terminal, using cd naviagate to place you extracted tarball, run the executable you mentioned with ./executablename
[11:25] <bestbirdaround> give us the output of that
[11:27] <django_> https://gist.github.com/jk16/e08da9a02eb0f043f491
[11:28] <bestbirdaround> django_: and it isn't running?
[11:28] <django_> no
[11:28] <django_> could be because i already have an eclipse installed?
[11:29] <bestbirdaround> no further erros or anything? and what is -arch x86 doing in there on another note
[11:29] <bestbirdaround> but then I know nothing of java flags
[11:30] <haidar>  I want to make a connection between virtual machine manager in an Ubuntu desktop with an Ubuntu server using SSH connection and I have these error in attachment above can you help me please
[11:30] <haidar>  I want to make a connection between virtual machine manager in an Ubuntu desktop with an Ubuntu server using SSH connection and I have these error in attachment above can you help me please
[11:31] <haidar> the error message
[11:31] <ikonia> haidar: stop spamming
[11:31] <ikonia> you just need to ask something once, not spam it over and over
[11:31] <bestbirdaround> django_: so I screened the link to fbksoft bla bla bla barebone eclipse
[11:31] <haidar> sI am sorry
[11:31] <bestbirdaround> what exactly did you do?
[11:32] <django_> bestbirdaround, ok so where it says to download the runstime binaries i went here: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.5.1-201509040015/#PlatformRuntime
[11:32] <haidar> please help
[11:32] <haidar> the error message
[11:33] <mcphail> haidar: no-one will help if you keep being annoying and spamming the channel. Instead of yelping for help, try to provide some coherent details about your problem
[11:33] <King_Hual> "in attachment above"
[11:33] <bekks> haidar: Can you state your issue including the error message in one sentence please? Without repeating yourself that often?
[11:33] <ikonia> it's the reason I'm not helping
[11:33] <ikonia> I'm not rewarding someone spamming the channel over and over
[11:34] <bestbirdaround> django_: so then? you picked correct one?
[11:34] <django_> I think so hah
[11:34] <django_> actually idk
[11:35] <bestbirdaround> x86 GTK+ or x86_64 GTK+
[11:35] <bestbirdaround> most likely
[11:35] <bestbirdaround> on any sane machine
[11:36] <haidar> unable to connect to libvirt connot recieve data:ssh connect to host ubuntu port 22 connection refused
[11:37] <bekks> haidar: Then start a ssh server on the computer you want to connect to.
[11:37] <bestbirdaround> django_: check if uname -a gives you x86_64
[11:37] <bestbirdaround> if so download x86_64/GTK one
[11:38] <mech422__> you generally have to tell libvirtd if you want it to listen on tcp ports as well, don't you? it defaults to localhost only I think
[11:38] <haidar> sorry sir can you send my an email no one in my country know ubuntu and this is my project
[11:39] <django_> Linux django 3.19.0-47-generic #53~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 18 16:09:14 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:39] <haidar> I have a little information in ubuntu
[11:39] <vifon> Hello. I recently upgraded Ubuntu Server 15.04 to 15.10. On 15.04 the microphone LED indicator of my laptop (Dell Latitude E7450) was working flawlessly out-of-the-box. After the upgrade the LED is always turned off regardless of the microphone state. Any ideas what might be the cause?
[11:39] <haidar> this is my email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:40] <vifon> I'm toggling it with "amixer set Capture toggle" if that matters.
[11:40] <django_> bestbirdaround, didntwork :/
[11:40] <bestbirdaround> django_: which part?
[11:40] <bestbirdaround> downloading and executing that x86_64 one?
[11:41] <django_> downloaded eclipse-platform-4.5.1-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[11:41] <haidar> mr. bekks how you can help me please
[11:42] <bekks> haidar: I will not send you any email. I told you what to do, in this channel.
[11:42] <haidar> ok can you replay that please
[11:42] <haidar> in details
[11:42] <bekks> < bekks> haidar: Then start a ssh server on the computer you want to connect to.
[11:43] <umby62> ciao list
[11:43] <haidar> sorry Mr.bekks I don't understand
[11:43] <django_> ohh bestbirdaround i downloaded the wrong one
[11:44] <bekks> haidar: What is your native language?
[11:44] <haidar> Arabic
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> !arabic
[11:44] <django_> bestbirdaround, it works!
[11:44] <django_> bestbirdaround, now i download the JDT Runtime Binary?
[11:44] <haidar> thanks
[11:47] <mech422__> I wonder if people using non-latin languages have to use a larger font size? that arabic looks awful hard to read at my normal font size?
[11:48] <mech422__> anyway - time for bed - have fun everyone :-)
[11:49] <bestbirdaround> django_: I don't know I don't even use eclipse.
[11:51] <cluelessperson> bestbirdaround, yeah... screw eclipse.
[11:52] <trixtator> why do you want to use eclipse?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:53] <artois> BluesKaj: heyo
[11:53] <artois> trixtator: who's doing that?
[11:53] <bekks> django_: How did you install eclipse, finally?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> hi artois
[11:54] <deltagon> eclipse isn't that bad... at school, we have to work with netbeans
[11:54] <trixtator> artois, not me ;)
[11:55] <DaHopi> ikonia: purge and re-installation of gobi-laoder did the trick.. thanx
[11:55] <artois> trixtator: you sane person you
[11:56] <artois> trixtator: ah, must be django_
[11:56] <django_> well i have eclipse, what i want is bare bone and i installed using Linux (x86_64/GTK+)
[11:56] <django_> that version
[11:56] <django_> now i need to add java to it: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.5.1-201509040015/#JDTRuntime
[11:59] <Neo31> Hello, We are building a new local community gnulug, do you think our team can use some help from Ubuntu trainters on IRC?
[12:00] <artois> Neo31: hrmm?
[12:00] <pantato> is google chrome available on arm linux platform?
[12:01] <MonkeyDust> Neo31  that's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:01] <artois> pantato: chromium is
[12:02] <artois> pantato: and the binary bits that chrome uses for things like... Netflix, for example, should also be
[12:04] <pantato> i thought netflix didn't work on anything but chrome
[12:04] <pantato> i'm thinking about grabbing a pine64 to replace my living room pc
[12:07] <pantato> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3atmhw/running_netflix_on_linux_on_arm/
[12:07] <pantato> doesnt look promising =\
[12:11] <gswebspace> pantato: which os are you plan to run on pine64 ?
[12:12] <gswebspace> planning*
[12:13] <pi______> raspbian on pi 2 also works good
[12:14] <k1l> for a general linux comparison better join ##linux
[12:14] <artois> pantato: not for nothing, but reddit is not exactly where the most technologically knowledgeable people are
[12:14] <artois> pantato: what I already told you makes the top rated comment look quite wrong, for example
[12:15] <artois> pantato: anyway, you should also consider that buying a little x86 computer will only cost you about $40 more up front over a raspberry pi
[12:16] <artois> intel caught up, it's close enough there's not a great argument to use arm for media centers anymore
[12:16] <artois> if you literally have $50 and not $90, perhaps
[12:16] <artois> but IME people spending time and money on a media PC do in fact have an extra $40
[12:19] <eviladmin> pantato: works in chromium too
[12:25] <artois> I wonder if there are any little arm SBCs that can playback HEVC reasonably well yet
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> artois: maybe the #ubuntu-arm guys know something?
[12:30] <artois> sorry, just thining out loud
[12:31] <artois> I don't really care personally (see above about x86 vs arm, etc.)
[12:31] <hicoleri> Why is do-release-upgrade saying that there is no new release (15.04) even if there is one? (i'm running lubuntu 14.04)
[12:32] <k1l> hicoleri: you need to upgrade to 14.10 first
[12:32] <k1l> and 14.10 is dead already
[12:33] <hicoleri> so 14.10 will kill my system?
[12:33] <k1l> no. but first think about if you really want to leave the LTS track. that means you need to upgrade every 6 months.
[12:35] <hicoleri> I actually want to upgrade to 15.04, so upgrading to 14.10 wont do any harm right?
[12:35] <Aitor> hi
[12:35] <k1l> hicoleri: why you want 15.04?
[12:35] <mcphail> hicoleri: 15.04 is days away from being end-of-life
[12:36] <Aitor> y want to install ubuntu with another OS  together help plz
[12:36] <k1l> hicoleri: (you can have the 15.04 kernel already in 14.04 and 15.04 is dead on february anyway and you need to upgrade to 15.10 then)
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | Aitor
[12:36] <k1l> Aitor: make partitions for the OSs and install them
[12:37] <Aitor> i have look a lot of web pages on the internet but they install ubntu desktop but when i download it i have the same as normal ubuntu
[12:37] <hicoleri> k1l:I didnt see that 15.04 wasnt an LTS release. Sorry about that.
[12:38] <Aitor> thanks for helping me but i have questions :S
[12:39] <k1l> Aitor: what questions? please be specific
[12:39] <bekks> Aitor: Then ask a question which actually makes sense :)
[12:39] <Aitor> if i make a partition and i install ubuntu on a partition it will work?
[12:39] <Aitor> sry :S
[12:39] <k1l> Aitor: you still need a bootloader that loads ubuntu, but yes
[12:41] <Aitor> i dont know 100% what is a bootloader... i am a noob i know...
[12:42] <Silenced_v2> Aitor : Install ubuntu and do boot repair
[12:43] <k1l> Aitor: the ubuntu installer will install a bootloader.
[12:43] <Aitor> ok so i only have to install ubuntu?
[12:43] <k1l> Aitor: but the other OS might overwrite that bootloader. so it depends on the other OS how it handles that
[12:44] <lahaugen87> If you already have Windows, and want to add Ubuntu, then yes
[12:44] <Aitor> i have windows 7
[12:45] <Aitor> i will have any problem?
[12:46] <solvarr> as long as the bootloader is installed in the right place, no you won't
[12:47] <Aitor> what does it means?
[12:47] <homa> hi my friends
[12:48] <pantato> sorry, i plan to run ubuntu on pine64
[12:48] <pantato> you can't watch netflix on chromium...
[12:49] <k1l> Aitor: make place for (at least) one partition. install ubuntu into that. that is ok
[12:49] <pantato> http://askubuntu.com/questions/555615/netflix-on-chromium
[12:49] <pantato> eviladmin:
[12:49] <pantato> artois:
[12:49] <pantato> gswebspace:
[12:50] <Aitor> ok and i have to install ubuntu desktop or normal version?
[12:50] <k1l> pantato: use chrome for netflix
[12:50] <pantato> k1l: it's not available on arm
[12:50] <k1l> Aitor: any version you want
[12:50] <Aitor> and which are the differences between them?
[12:51] <lahaugen87> What do you mean by normal?
[12:51] <k1l> Aitor: the preinstalled desktop that included another set of standard apps
[12:51] <Aitor> okay
[12:52] <Aitor> thanks a lot
[12:52] <artois> pantato: again, full of wrong information
[12:52] <artois> pantato: listen already :p
[12:53] <Aitor> i should install 14.04 or 15.10?
[12:53] <artois> Aitor: I'd go with the latest
[12:54] <k1l> Aitor: do you want to upgrade every 6 months?
[12:54] <artois> realistically you should be updating more frequently than that
[12:54] <k1l> artois: please no.
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> artois: leave the users the choice
[12:54] <k1l> dont confuse with updates and ubuntu release upgrades.
[12:55] <Linus_> Aitor: i'd go with 15.10, but then when 16.04 comes out soon, stick with that, cuz it is LTS
[12:55] <artois> lotuspsychje: couldn't take it away if I tried, could I?
[12:55] <artois> Linus_: makes no sense =)
[12:55] <artois> if 15.10 is suitable, so shall 16.10 be
[12:55] <pantato> artois: okay, i believe you. Can you be a tad more descriptive though?
[12:55] <Linus_> artois: cuz even if you get 14.04,  you upgrade soon, anyway
[12:55] <Aitor> but now i dontknow becouse 14.04 is lts but 15.10 is the newest........
[12:55] <artois> pantato: sure, about what in particular?
[12:56] <k1l> artois: are you aware of the ubuntu release cycles?
[12:56] <pantato> as to how i integrate / find the appriopriate binary bits so that i can run netflix on an ARM environment
[12:56] <artois> Aitor: do you know what lts entails?
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> ok lets not have a discussion here, but actually help users make a choice
[12:56] <artois> k1l: mmhmm
[12:56] <pantato> or maybe a link pointing me in the right direction
[12:56] <k1l> Aitor: go with 14.04
[12:56] <Aitor> entails?
[12:56] <artois> pantato: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60133/where-can-i-find-chromium-binary-tarballs
[12:56] <k1l> Aitor: beginners tend  to not upgrade that often so you run into troubles. LTS is better for beginners
[12:56] <Aitor> k1l probably
[12:57] <artois> pantato: they can apparently also be extracted from the chrome deb
[12:58] <artois> Aitor: what LTS means for you
[12:58] <Linus_> Aitor: oh,well, only if you DON"T plan on upgrading to 16.04.  ---then get 14.04
[12:58] <Aitor>  Long Term Support XD i know that
[12:58] <k1l> Linus_: you can upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04
[12:58] <pantato> artois: so i install chromium, then i find some libs from the x86 package? i'm confused
[12:58] <pantato> i know netflix doesn't work on chromium alone
[12:59] <k1l> but talking a beginner into a non-LTS where he needs to upgrade because is OS is dead in 6 months is not the good advice
[12:59] <artois> pantato: I know you think you know that
[12:59] <Silenced_v2> Whats the difference between chrome and chromium ?
[12:59] <artois> Silenced_v2: chrome is closed source, with proprietary bits added on top of chromium
[12:59] <k1l> Silenced_v2: chrome is based on chromium and google adds some stuff there.
[12:59] <Aitor> chrome is based on chromium
[12:59] <artois> chromium is the more Unixy way
[12:59] <Linus_> k1l: what are the benefits of 14.04 over 15.10, ---if you are going to upgrade to 16.04 soon?  i dont see any
[13:00] <pantato> ugh i'll go look right now on my machine
[13:00] <k1l> Linus_: you dont need to upgrade in 6 months because your OSs repos are shut down
[13:00] <Aitor> chromium dont consume RAM as chrome
[13:00] <Silenced_v2> Oh okay.  So its better to remove chrome then
[13:00] <artois> Silenced_v2: basically
[13:00] <artois> Chromium is much better packaged, at last for Unix systems
[13:00] <artois> on top of being less encumbered by things you might not even want anyway
[13:00] <bekks> "much better packages" - sounds like FUD.
[13:01] <Aitor> is better chromium
[13:01] <artois> bekks: packageD
[13:01] <k1l> Linus_: stay in here for years and you will see that beginners will not upgrade anytime soon. so they have a longer timeframe to get used to and make the upgrade when they want
[13:01] <Felishia> help
[13:01] <artois> a lot of distro devs spent a long time picking chromium's build process apart so it wouldn't suck as much
[13:01] <bekks> artois: Sounds like even more FUD.
[13:01]  * artois shrugs
[13:01] <Linus_> k1l: exactly, so this is no benefit to 14.04 over 15.10 (if you plan on 16.04)
[13:01] <Felishia> I need to modify a pdf in ubuntu
[13:01] <Felishia> in the sense that I have to center the content
[13:02] <artois> bekks: http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html
[13:02] <Felishia> when I print it the content is so in the left that it's cropped
[13:02] <artois> not that you deserve it =)
[13:02] <Felishia> I'm not sure what to do
[13:02] <k1l> Linus_: you missed my points. its about beginners and the timeframe of upgrade
[13:02] <artois> Felishia: print with what, acroread?
[13:02] <Felishia> artois, with a printer
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> Felishia: inkscape perhaps?
[13:02] <artois> Felishia: ...with what software
[13:03] <Aitor> k1l:  i will do what yo say, i will install 14.04
[13:03] <bekks> artois: I dont see any relevance to Ubuntu, seeing your link talking about Chroium under Fedora. Unless you can prove that the Chrome .deb files for Ubuntu have severe packaging problem, I still consider your theory as being FUD.
[13:04] <Felishia> lotuspsychje, that actually worked o.o
[13:04] <artois> bekks: not reading that =)
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> !yay | Felishia
[13:04] <k1l> artois: please dont give false advice because you asume ubuntu works as fedora does.
[13:04] <artois> FYI, acroread doesn't always print as well (specifically regarding centering) as other things (like evince)
[13:05] <artois> k1l: doesn't even seem you've been following the conversation
[13:05] <bekks> artois: I bet he did.
[13:05] <artois> bekks: betting is not a factor
[13:05] <allizom> bekks: define "severe packaging problem"
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> artois: why do you always get this attitude in #ubuntu
[13:06] <artois> lotuspsychje: probably because you always read my text as an angry actor would? Got me
[13:06] <bekks> artois: Define the ubuntu relevance of your Fedora chromium crap for Ubuntu.
[13:06] <k1l> artois: its not the first time in last minutes your advice was based on not knowing ubuntu specifics.
[13:06] <artois> bekks: Ubuntu does not exist in a vacuum
[13:06] <Guest13598> hello everybody
[13:06] <artois> k1l: you're right, it's not the first, because there hasn't been a first
[13:06] <Linus_> Aitor: k1l  15.10 lasts until July 2016.  so just upgrade to 16.04 by then. (anytime between April - July)
[13:06] <artois> Guest13598: hi
[13:06] <bekks> artois: I'm not going to waste my time with your any further. *plonk*
[13:07] <artois> bekks: =)
[13:07] <Guest13598> *****************
[13:08] <Guest13598> hi "som sip"
[13:08] <k1l> Linus_: last time now: stay in here for a year and see how often beginners upgrade in the first months. its pure experience to let the beginner give more room to decide when to upgrade to 16.04 then to have a fixed deadline in less than 9 months.
[13:08] <artois> Guest13598: hi again
[13:08] <Aitor> i will install 14.04 and when 16.04 appears i will see...
[13:09] <k1l> Linus_: please stay in here and see how many user come in here having a EOL ubuntu. you would be amazed how often that happens. so please dont think because you can and will upgrade easily that beginners can do the same
[13:09] <artois> Aitor: you'll be fine
[13:09] <Aitor> yes i hope
[13:10] <flux242> knows someone if the power management is going to be fixed in 16.04? iirc they didn't wont the pm-utils quirks anymore without offering any alternative
[13:10] <Aitor> this chat is better than for example microsoft help chat....
[13:10] <Linus_> k1l: i agree with that:  if you don't want to be worried about upgrading to 16.04 by the summer, then yes, 14.04.  My point is , that is the *Only* reason to choose 14.04 (not worrying about upgraedes)
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> flux242: #ubuntu+1 for xenial
[13:11] <Linus_> or yes, you can install 16.04 Alpha right now, that actually worked for my friend who was having Wireless issues.
[13:12] <artois> flux242: I don't think it was about quirks, just that systemd replaced them with something systemd ate, IIRC
[13:13] <flux242> i have hacked the pm-utils to work wit the systemd locally but would like to know what's the proper solution
[13:13] <Aitor> i need an antimalware on ubuntu?
[13:13] <artois> depends on how you hacked, it, probably
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> !info clamav | Aitor
[13:14] <flux242> artois: no it's irrelevant
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> Aitor: also try rkhunter
[13:14] <k1l> Aitor: not like you are used to on ubuntu. run the updates regulary and dont install software from websites you dont know
[13:14] <k1l> lotuspsychje: rkhunter is not a beginners tool :/
[13:14] <artois> flux242: if you say so
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> k1l: rkhunter just scan the whole pc...nothing hard about it
[13:15] <artois> rkhunter will give you a lot of false positives
[13:15] <artois> and can't be foolproof anyway
[13:15] <k1l> lotuspsychje: yeah, but what helps a long list of results if one doesnt know what to do then
[13:15] <artois> if you want to be paranoid, use AIDE from the outset
[13:15] <Aitor> ok thanks everyone
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> im not the one asking for anti malware...
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> and its an official ubuntu package
[13:16] <Guest9132> how many times will you log in "Macscr"
[13:16] <artois> just sayin' =)
[13:16] <k1l> its a common windows habbit to want to have antimalware software
[13:16] <neil_> I have this .htaccess file ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14630418/ ... I want to get calls like /test -> /cgi-bin/test ... but it isn't working ... but using /cgi-bin/test directly does ... what am I doing wrong?
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> k1l: some recent linux rootkits/malware showing up clamav's database...so never say never
[13:17] <Aitor> so which i should install?
[13:18] <artois> Aitor: install clamav if you want
[13:18] <artois> Aitor: you will rarely if ever need it
[13:18] <k1l> !antivirus | Aitor
[13:18] <artois> it's nice to have, if for only the reason the bot mentioned
[13:18] <Guest9132> hi everybody
[13:18] <artois> hi 9132
[13:18] <Aitor> okokokok
[13:18] <Aitor> thanks
[13:20] <artois> Aitor: the end of the page is this: if you see an ad to buy antivirus for Linux, your time would be best spent ignoring it =)
[13:20] <Aitor> ok i understand
[13:21] <Aitor> and why there are any viruses on linux? explanaition for noob plz
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> Aitor: like on every Os there are virusses, malware and rootkits
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> Aitor: best to have a healthy paranoia while connected to internet
[13:22] <Aitor> my brain will explode....
[13:23] <neil_> Aitor, they exist but it is harder to get them
[13:23] <Aitor> ok i will have it XD
[13:23] <Linus_> Aitor: you dont need antivirus on Linux
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> Aitor: well dont worry too much, but surely be prudent also
[13:23] <Aitor> okok
[13:23] <k1l> Aitor: the strategy is that ubuntu ships updates for the softwares which fix securityissues. and you dont install code from websites you dont know what it does.
[13:23] <Katronix> Greetings all, was wondering if someone could at least point me in the correct direction to play bluray in Ubuntu that doesn't require ripping it?
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> Aitor  because linux is open source, a virus would be immediately removed from the system
[13:24] <Aitor> okokok
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> !bluray | Katronix
[13:24] <Linus_> Aitor: yes, listen to k1l , only install software from the Repos in 99% of cases. and you will be fine
[13:25] <Aitor> okok
[13:26] <Zeljko> "Unable to access 395GB volume"  how to solve it ?
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> !details | Zeljko
[13:27] <artois> Aitor: some combination of how we do package management, of how the source is open, and of how fewer people are angry at the OS
[13:27] <Zeljko> I've been installed ubuntu on my pc, and now, i can't access to my second partition
[13:27] <k1l> Zeljko: is that a ntfs partition?
[13:27] <Zeljko> k1l: i mean yes.
[13:27] <k1l> Zeljko: can you pastebin the whole erro message?
[13:28] <Aitor> ok thanks
[13:28] <Zeljko> of course k1
[13:29] <Katronix> so I suppose BluRay support is non existant under Ubuntu? :(
[13:29] <hrob2> hi
[13:30] <hrob2> im on freenode -- maybe a bad idea --- sometimes noone sees me message -- should I join through ubuntu irc server
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> hrob2  we see you
[13:30] <k1l> hrob2: that is the same
[13:30] <Zeljko> k1l: http://postimg.org/image/yj264ltzb/  look at the image
[13:30] <neil_> hrob2, sometime no one has an answer
[13:30] <lahaugen87> Katronix, Tried VLC and installed libbluray from git??
[13:31] <k1l> Zeljko: is there still a windows on that pc?
[13:31] <hrob2> MonkeyDust: k1l : neil_ :   its confusing,  maybe there is an irc protocol for testing a connection --  I just get this spooky feeling sometimes
[13:31] <Zeljko> k1l: yes, but its local disc d: partition
[13:31] <k1l> hrob2: try the ##test channel
[13:32] <Katronix> lahaugen87, I tried using it but during configure it came up with the error "No package 'libxml-2.0' found" however as far as I could tell I did have it installed
[13:32] <k1l> Zeljko: the issue is that windows doesnt unmount the ntfs partitions properly to have a faster reboot time. but if you want to mount that ntfs then you cant. so if there is a windows disable that "fast boot" setting on windows
[13:32] <hrob2> k1l:  thanks!
[13:33] <Aitor>  bye everyone and thanks for helping me
[13:33] <Zeljko> k1l: i need to disable fast boot on windows and it would work properly ?
[13:33] <k1l> Zeljko: yes.
[13:34] <hrob2> ok so I have a python script that use the python evdev binding
[13:35] <k1l> Zeljko: something like this http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/$CXIV/ATTACH-AEEE-8Y4KMQ/$FILE/win8.png
[13:35] <neil_> Zeljko, i been battling windows10 for the last couple of days, even it backup method is hard to use, and the recovery CD will not boot without changing the bois
[13:35] <lahaugen87> Katronix. Sounds like you need to add omething when you build it
[13:35] <hrob2> reading and writing directly from dev/input is forbidden to users  on ubuntu -- I guess all distros
[13:35] <MonkeyDust> hrob2  better ask in a python channel
[13:36] <Katronix> lahaugen87, yep figured that one out, now trying to solve the rest :)
[13:37] <hrob2> MonkeyDust:  yeah, I agree, ... however... this is in the applications layers of linux... python doesnt allocate resources
[13:37] <neil_> I have this .htaccess file ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14630418/ ... I want to get calls like /test -> /cgi-bin/test ... but it isn't working ... but using /cgi-bin/test directly does ... what am I doing wrong?
[13:37] <hrob2> MonkeyDust:  I imagined ubuntu might have a "recommended" way of giving a resource to an application
[13:37] <hrob2> MonkeyDust:   maybe more of a #kernel question
[13:37] <MonkeyDust> hrob2  #ubuntu-app-devel, perhaps
[13:38] <hrob2> MonkeyDust: yeah, noboday there like for ages
[13:38] <hrob2> MonkeyDust: spooky
[13:38] <aftreb> how can i make my gnu/linux laptop automatically remove a file after a second rebooting?
[13:39] <Zeljko> k1l: i cant run windows on pc....only i have Ubuntu in my options..
[13:39] <k1l> Zeljko: so you dont have a windows anymore on that pc?
[13:39] <neil_> aftreb, the only way I can think of is have a file with a count in it.
[13:40] <aftreb> sorry, can you ellaborate on that?
[13:40] <k1l> aftreb: talking about ubuntu? or ##linux ?
[13:41] <Zeljko> k1l: i dont know...now i cant run ubuntu... /dev/sda2/ contains file system with errors
[13:41] <net2014> hello
[13:41] <r0x> Why linux consume so much battery?
[13:41] <Zeljko> any BusyBox is running
[13:41] <r0x> Compared to windows it's a shame, gh
[13:41] <net2014> if I suspend my ubuntu, what happens to the virtual machines that run in it?
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | r0x try this
[13:41] <k1l> Zeljko: what?
[13:41] <k1l> Zeljko: what is the issue now and what system is it and what OS are installed?
[13:42] <neil_> aftreb, have a small file somewhere where the count gets decremented every boot, when count gets to zero delete file ... a good place to set this up is in /etc/rc.local
[13:42] <r0x> I'll take a look lotuspsychje, thanks
[13:42] <Zeljko> k1l: BusyBox v1.22.1 and Ubuntu is installed, but i cant open windows on this pc, i think its formatted.
[13:42] <r0x> But in 10 years of linux usage I ever had this problem
[13:42] <net2014> my ubuntu machine is mini pc, seems to have laptop hardware, but does not have battery. instead is connected to a ups
[13:43] <net2014> I am not sure if these laptop mode tools are for me
[13:43] <homa> are there my friends here?
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> r0x: tweak your system to be more power saving..
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> r0x  http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[13:44] <net2014> ah, ok info was directed to r0x
[13:44] <net2014> I have another question. Are usb drives meant only for transferring of files, or you can also use them for backups?
[13:45] <Katronix> perhaps its due to not being awake enough but I can't find a package to install to meet "configure: error: "libudfread source tree not found"" can you?
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> net2014  i use my external usb disk for backups, with rsync
[13:46] <hrob2> Ok, I think I found the correct way to rephrase my question to be ubuntu specific :D
[13:46] <r0x> lotuspsychje: I got errors while installing the package
[13:46] <neil_> net2014, be careful using usb flash drives, they can fail without warning..
[13:46] <r0x> SETTING OF KERNEL PARAMETER FAILED: echo ondemand \> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[13:46] <r0x> and so on...
[13:46] <Linus_> net2014: USB drives can be used for anything
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> r0x: ubuntu version?
[13:46] <hrob2> Which application does ubuntu use for controlling resouce allocation?   I heard of polkit or consolkit
[13:46] <net2014> Linus_, ok, neil_ says though, that they can fail without warning
[13:47] <r0x> 14.04.3
[13:47] <Zeljko> Do i need to change /dev/sda3/ ntfs to anything other ?
[13:47] <Linus_> net2014: USB-Sticks are cheap & fail. yes
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> r0x: not sure, working like a charm here
[13:47] <flux242> r0x: on 14.04.3 there's pm-utils by default. It should be sufficient
[13:48] <r0x> flux242: it is not
[13:48] <Linus_> net2014: SSD & HDD are more reliable than USB-stick
[13:48] <flux242> yes it is
[13:48] <ioria> Katronix,    check  the     libudf-dev  and    the   libudf0   packages
[13:48] <net2014> is there a port of rsync for windows?
[13:48] <r0x> I had power consumption issues with old laptops and other distribution
[13:48] <Katronix> ioria, thanks
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> net2014  rsync goes over port 22, like ssh
[13:49] <neil_> net2014, usb external drive are OK, I use one here, you can use a laptop SSD in them too.
[13:49] <ioria> Katronix,    np
[13:49] <flux242> r0x: what are the issues?
[13:49] <llutz> MonkeyDust: grep rsync /etc/services   (Port 22 only if you tell rsync to use ssh)
[13:50] <r0x> flux242: I lost more than an hour of battery life when I'm using Linux
[13:50] <ioria> Zeljko, can you paste sudo parted -l ?
[13:50] <MonkeyDust> llutz  tnx, i was wrong
[13:50] <r0x> compared to windows
[13:50] <net2014> is it preferable to allow a service or a port through uwf? when you allow a service, I assume, only that service will be allowed, whereas with a port, any services that go through that port will be allowed?
[13:50] <flux242> r0x: post 'uname -a'
[13:51] <Katronix> ioria, those packages didn't have what I needed :( if you had any other suggestions I'd appreciate
[13:52] <r0x> Linux r0x 3.19.0-47-generic #53~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 18 16:09:14 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:52] <flux242> 3.19 ? You said you are on 14.04
[13:52] <net2014> thank you for the information
[13:52] <ioria> Katronix,    did you install the -dev pkg ?
[13:52] <Katronix> is it possible to get ./configure to tell you everything you need to compile an app instead of just one thing at  a time?