[04:13] <pabelanger> What an exercise, finally have reprepro and rebuildd working together.  Yay, for local package repository
[04:39] <MTecknology> ok... so... override_dh_fixperms:  if I place that in debian/rules it'll automatically be used, nothing special, just all magic?
[04:48] <micahg> MTecknology: I thought with overrides you have to do something
[04:50] <MTecknology> micahg: oh.. I'm only adding it to change the permissions of one directory, would it maybe make more sense to just put it right after dh_fixperms?
[04:51] <micahg> MTecknology: hmm, I thought that you can the dh_foo, if appropriate, in the override along with whatever using the override for
[04:51] <micahg> *call
[04:52] <MTecknology> oh
[05:00] <MTecknology> micahg: If a user installed the package, then upgraded the package but never changed that directory, could I make the permissions get updated on it?
[05:00] <micahg> MTecknology: which directory?
[05:00] <MTecknology> micahg: /var/log/nginx
[05:01] <MTecknology> 750 instead of 755
[05:02] <micahg> MTecknology: Yeah, that should be fine as long as you have a good reason :), you might want to add a news file so people aren't shocked
[05:04] <MTecknology> micahg: I'll add it to the news file; i'd add the change to postinst but then every single update the permission will be reapplied; i'd rather just do it once for old updates and if the user changes it then leave it alone
[05:05] <micahg> MTecknology: yes, that's best, cleaning up after oneself is fine, but sysadmins should have the final say
[05:05] <micahg> MTecknology: check the version in the postinst
[05:06] <MTecknology> oh... I was under the assumption that that postinst happened after the new package was installed
[05:07] <micahg> MTecknology: hmm, you might have access to the old version, I'm not so clear, maybe someone else knows
[05:07] <micahg> *version number
[05:10] <micahg> MTecknology: yeah, you're right, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html
[05:11] <micahg> MTecknology: you could check it in the preinst
[05:35] <MTecknology> micahg: I had to run for a minute.. "new-preinst upgrade old-version
[05:36] <MTecknology> micahg: I had to run for a minute.. "new-preinst upgrade old-version" does that mean there should be an old-version variable in there?
[05:36] <micahg> MTecknology: I believe so :)
[05:36] <MTecknology> $2 i assume?
[05:36] <micahg> I think so
[05:36] <MTecknology> :D
[05:37] <MTecknology> heh.. so I'll just need to know how to compare the versions
[05:37] <micahg> MTecknology: dpkg --compare-versions :)
[05:41] <MTecknology> micahg: and to grab the new version?
[05:42] <micahg> MTecknology: you shouldn't need to worry about the new version, right?
[05:42] <MTecknology> what else would i be comparing against?
[05:42] <micahg> MTecknology: the last bad version
[05:42] <micahg> or the first good version depending on how you compare
[05:43] <MTecknology> oh!
[05:43] <MTecknology> I created a preisnt and didn't even need it :P
[05:44] <MTecknology> except postinst doesn't seem to have that version for an upgrade
[05:44] <micahg> MTecknology: whcih is why you should do it in preinst :)
[05:48] <MTecknology> if dpkg --compare-versions "$most_recently_configured_version" lt "0.8.54-4"; then chmod 750 /var/log/nginx; fi
[05:52] <MTecknology> micahg: thanks a bunch :D
[05:53] <micahg> MTecknology: you're welcome
[05:53] <MTecknology> micahg: now to test it out and see if things still build; I made a lot of changes (should close every open debian and launchpad bug against the package.) :D
[05:54] <micahg> MTecknology: awesome
[05:54] <MTecknology> even added a feature through a patch that it doesn't look like igor will accept
[05:55] <micahg> MTecknology: is Igor upstream?, we'd want Debian to take that then
[05:56] <MTecknology> :S ... debuild failed
[05:56] <MTecknology> micahg: because of all the work i did with the package, the guys that manage it in debian asked me to help maintain; so what i do winds up right there
[05:57] <micahg> MTecknology: that's great, work in one place and lots benefit
[05:57] <MTecknology> by igor, I meant the guy that controls what winds up in nginx
[05:57] <micahg> MTecknology: right, so if upstream rejects and Debian takes it that's fine for Ubuntu
[05:57] <MTecknology> apparently i messed up debian/rules bad enough that debuild won't even complete
[05:58] <MTecknology> oh.. it was only complaining about a little itty bitty thing....
[06:00] <MTecknology> micahg: ya know.... I put a LOT of work into this thing; now I'm looking back and wondering where I'd be if this channel didn't exist.. I'd probably have given up entirely and got nowhere
[06:01] <micahg> MTecknology: I'm sure that'll make a lot of people here smile :)
[06:03] <MTecknology> micahg: I hope so; I wouldn't even want to /try/ to get a list of everyone that's helped me...
[06:27] <jonathan> hi everyone
[06:30] <jonathan> I'm interested in joining the prospective developers but I'm confused as to where to go to start
[06:30] <jonathan> uh oh, guess my text got cut off
[06:30] <jonathan> would anyone happen to know where one would start off in joining the perspective developers?
[06:32] <MTecknology> jonathan: which developers?
[06:32] <jonathan> I was looking at the ubuntu website and it said that prospective developers was a good place to start in joining the development team
[06:33] <MTecknology> oh.. there's a lot of places developers can look to contribute; that's part of why it's such an easy place to jump into
[06:33] <jonathan> I'm just confused on what I need to do in order to get started
[06:34] <MTecknology> you could look into some bugs for a package you particularly like and try to fix them
[06:34] <MTecknology> fix them, build a patch, and then add to the bug report
[06:34] <jonathan> that's it?
[06:35] <MTecknology> that's one place that's somewhat easy to jump into
[06:35] <MTecknology> otherwise you could look through and try to triage all bugs in ubuntu :)
[06:35] <jonathan> hehe
[06:35] <jonathan> I'm sort of new to coding
[06:36] <jonathan> I'll have to handle easy things
[06:36] <MTecknology> there's no one language used; a lot packages produced for ubuntu are python driven though
[06:37] <jmarsden> jonathan: You may find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Devbeginnings#Ubuntu%20Development%20Beginnings has a few things you can try out as you get started.
[06:37] <evilvish> jonathan: bug triage is relatively easy and gives you a good idea about the packages.. and where to get involved..
[06:37] <jonathan> and I can just come here if I happen to have questions?
[06:37] <MTecknology> triage is where i started out at; i thought that if i just sat there and hammered away, i could be 'that guy' that got through everything :P
[06:38] <MTecknology> jonathan: nope, questions are hated in here.... actually, some of the most amazing devs i know hang out in here
[06:38] <evilvish> jonathan: depending on what you are doing, we have channels different channels..
[06:38] <MTecknology> always eager to help new guys
[06:38] <jonathan> where do I go if I have questions or happen to need to talk to someone?
[06:39] <MTecknology> there's #ubuntu-packaging if you want to get into packaging
[06:39] <MTecknology> jonathan: you can ask where the best place is to ask too :)
[06:39] <jmarsden> jonathan: For questions that are definitely about triage, you may find #ubuntu-bugs is a good place to ask them.
[06:41] <jonathan> by ubuntu packaging do you mean maintaining packages?
[06:41] <MTecknology> ya
[06:41] <jonathan> someone like me would be capable of doing that?
[06:41] <MTecknology> that's what I'm working on right now actually
[06:42] <MTecknology> and I'm very far from an expert
[06:42] <jonathan> how much coding is involved in maintaining packages?
[06:43] <MTecknology> depends.. ideally, not much
[06:43] <jonathan> I guess that would be a good place to start then
[06:43] <MTecknology> if you start though.. my best suggestion is 1) setup a dev system using debootstrap 2) create a user inside of that 3) do your dev in there
[06:44] <MTecknology> if/when you start breaking things or installing php5-dev (i'm doing so now) you're not messing with your base system and it makes new environments incredibly easy to play with
[06:44] <MTecknology> jonathan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[06:46] <jonathan> I've never used debootstrap before
[06:46] <jonathan> do you have a guide for that?
[06:47] <MTecknology> aptitude install debootstrap; debootstrap natty natty; chroot natty
[06:47] <MTecknology> debootstrap is so easy it's actually scary :P
[06:47] <jonathan> ok, I think the first thing I'll work on is mastering all those packaging commands
[06:48] <MTecknology> nah, then you'll never get anything done :P
[06:48] <jonathan> which ones should I focus on?
[06:49] <MTecknology> jonathan: up until a month ago I was always editing the timestamp line in debian/changelog by hand and screwed up a lot; then i found dch and life got easier
[06:50] <jonathan> if I may ask, how long have you been a linux user?
[06:50] <MTecknology> jonathan: there's a billion (or so) tools to make your life easier; best to just take a walk through that complete guide, and then start playing and figure out what you don't understand
[06:50] <jonathan> I've used linux for a few months so far
[06:50] <MTecknology> i started playing with linux when 5.04 came out (my senior year in HS)
[06:51] <jonathan> that was last year for me
[06:51] <jonathan> ok, I'll look through the guide then
[06:51] <jonathan> thanks for the help
[06:52] <MTecknology> jonathan: always feel free to ask questions; sounds like #ubuntu-packaging may be a good channel for you
[06:55] <MTecknology> only 7min wait time estimated for amd64 ppa builders.... I'm about to skew that estimate...
[06:56] <maco> upoading OOo?
[06:56] <MTecknology> maco: not that bad, 13596k
[06:57] <MTecknology> maco: providing a backport of php5 for lucid and maverick because it was such a huge request with nginx
[07:00] <MTecknology> maco: at least i didn't trigger a complete rebuild of python :D
[07:37] <MTecknology> dangit.....
[07:40] <MTecknology> I have package nginx-full that depends on package nginx being already installed; package nginx depends on nginx-full | nginx-light.. so nginx needs to be installed before nginx-full is finished up; but installing nginx means you need to install one of the others
[07:41] <MTecknology> any tips on making this work?
[07:43] <jmarsden> MTecknology: install nginx-light first?  That will satisfy the dependency.  Then install nginx, then install nginx-full.  Sounds like it will do what you want??
[07:45] <MTecknology> jmarsden: nginx-full and nginx-light are conflicting packages; they both require nginx to be installed first though; it's like apache-common
[07:46] <jmarsden> Then you have a circular dependency, if nginx depends on -light or -full and they each depend on nginx.
[07:46] <MTecknology> yup
[07:46] <MTecknology> I'm not sure what the right way is to deal with it
[07:47] <MTecknology> jmarsden: I'm sure it's my control file - lemme grab it
[07:47] <jmarsden> Don't do that :)  Avoid recursive dependencies :)  apache-common doesn't depend on apache-mpm etc...
[07:48] <MTecknology> jmarsden: oh......... that's making more sense now :)
[07:49] <MTecknology> jmarsden: so instead of Depends: nginx-full; I'm looking at Reccomends: nginx-full ?
[07:50] <MTecknology> or would I want Suggests?
[07:51] <MTecknology> Recommends: nginx-full | nginx-light ?
[07:51] <jmarsden> Suggests is less "forceful" to package managers, recommends will mean if you apt-get install nginx you *will* pull in nginx-full...  Eww, not sure you want the | stuf in Recommends.
[07:52] <MTecknology> ok- that makes sense :)
[07:55] <jmarsden> Are the names set in stone?  Maybe you should rename what i snow nginx to nginx-common and then rename nginx-full to nginx ???
[07:56] <jmarsden> That way apt-get install nginx will do what most people expect.
[07:57] <MTecknology> I considered different names like that; but the only thing held in nginx-full or nginx-light is a binary and one or two other tiny things; nginx has most everything; but to deal with the way things look now it made the most sense to have nginx instead of nginx-common
[07:58] <jmarsden> OK.  If there is an existing "tradition" for that naming scheme, then it makes sense to keep it.
[08:03] <MTecknology> jmarsden: uploaded again... we'll see if things get fixed :)
[08:06] <jmarsden> OK.  You can sometimes avoid the upload/wait-for-builders/test/oops/edit... cycle delay by setting up your own local repository, incidentally.  But I need to go to bed, you'll need to google for info on how to do that yourself :)
[08:07] <MTecknology> jmarsden: alrighty, i should do that too... I wanted to be sleeping 4hr ago :P    thanks :)
[08:07] <jmarsden> Goodnight.
[08:18] <dholbach> good morning
[08:52] <MTecknology> !info php5-fpm
[08:52] <MTecknology> !info php5-fpm natty
[08:52] <MTecknology> zul: What happened? :(
[08:54] <MTecknology> zul: I just bumped up to 11.04 and it seems to have gone buh-bye
[13:22] <paultag> MTecknology: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/09/msg00348.html  <-- related?
[13:24] <paultag> php5 (5.3.3-2) unstable; urgency=low
[13:24] <paultag>   * Don't build FPM SAPI now
[13:24] <paultag>  -- Chuck Short<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:44:56 +0000
[13:24] <paultag> MTecknology: might want to get in touch with that feller if it's a big deal
[13:57] <ari-tczew> bdrung: bug 702765 is ready.
[13:59] <udienz> ari-tczew, about bash merging. You can take it i will merging firestarter
[14:00] <ari-tczew> udienz: I doubt that there is anyone willing to sponsor.
[14:01] <ari-tczew> cjwatson wouldn't touch it. doko is maintainer, but he delayed merge to next upstream release.
[14:01] <ari-tczew> and I'm not suprised. bash is very impotant package.
[14:02] <udienz> hm.. ok ok
[14:03] <Rhonda> I still don't really understand why bash has the need for such a lengthy diff in the first place.
[14:04] <cjwatson> the merge in question isn't even all that important; most of the important changes are already in Ubuntu
[14:04] <cjwatson> so I don't understand the lengthy debate about it
[14:05]  * Rhonda . o O ( especially since the maintainer on both sides is the same person, actually … )
[14:05] <BlackZ> I'm agreed with cjwatson; I said that in the bug report, though :)
[14:06] <cjwatson> Rhonda: I can understand plenty of reasons for that from my own experience, THB
[14:06] <cjwatson> TBH
[14:06] <cjwatson> not all my packages are synced
[14:07] <cjwatson> important> I mean, I don't mean to diss udienz, but it does seem reasonable to spend effort on merges with important changes first
[14:09] <Rhonda> Like pgadmin3, thanks for ACKing it, cjwatson ;)
[14:09] <Rhonda> Though no merge but sync, actually.
[14:10] <cjwatson> I think I just processed it
[14:10] <cjwatson> that's mostly scripted, no need to thank me :)
[14:11] <Rhonda> Whatever, thanks anyway. :)
[14:11] <ari-tczew> I hope that in next Debian cycle most packages will support Ubuntu changes in modern, parallel system
[14:12] <cjwatson> I don't find it that simple
[14:12] <ari-tczew> so maybe we will gain more syncs
[14:12] <cjwatson> in particular I'm not convinced that that interacts brilliantly with revision control
[14:12] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Actually dpkg is ready for that and buxy did blog on how to do it.
[14:12] <Rhonda> … in source v3
[14:13] <Laney> the implementation there isn't as good as it could have been, IMHO
[14:13] <Laney> you need to maintain entire separate series files for each distro
[14:13] <cjwatson> I know dpkg can do it, but think of what the unpacked trees look like and how you deal with that in revision control; you end up having diffs in the unpacked tree even though it's the same version, which is very confusing when you then come to modify it
[14:13] <cjwatson> so I haven't implemented that for any of my packages
[14:13] <Rhonda> There is a lot of things that aren't as good as they could have been and annoy people indeed, in source v3 in general, but it's definitely a step in the proper direction
[14:14] <ari-tczew> +1 ^^
[14:14] <Laney> I (and the cli teams) find that keeping VCS branches for Ubuntu is a good way to manage the delta
[14:14] <Laney> git merging is excellent for this workflow
[14:14] <cjwatson> right, I prefer that to the approach of multiple series files
[14:15] <cjwatson> it's much easier to see what's happening
[14:15] <Laney> I would probably use unapply-patches in the multiple-series workflow
[14:16] <Rhonda> Laney: I also consider VCS branches proper.
[14:16] <Rhonda> I just haven't anyone approach me to do an ubuntu branch for irssi yet.  %-/
[14:17] <Rhonda> Hmm, actually I could do that myself me thinks.
[14:17] <Laney> It's in main, so you will have to get upload rights for it
[14:17] <Rhonda> And step on the toes of those who have worked without contacting me so far. :P
[14:17] <Laney> (if you want to upload yourself)
[14:17] <Rhonda> oh
[14:17] <Laney> that should be a formality though
[14:17] <Rhonda> I guess I will have to apply because of logcheck anyway.
[14:18] <Laney> you can get per-package rights, and the Debian maintainer should be almost guaranteed to receive them
[14:18] <Rhonda> So what else from me is in main that I'm not aware of? Any cheap way to find out?  :D
[14:18] <Laney> UDD? :P
[14:18] <Rhonda> nah, grep-dctrl!
[14:18] <Laney> or g.. yes
[14:19] <Rhonda> huhm
[14:19] <cjwatson> the problem with unapply-patches (and traditional patch systems) is that you can't use $vcs blame coherently between upstream and patched source files
[14:19] <Rhonda> Laney: I don't have the packages files at my hand, so I might need to ressort to udd.  %-/
[14:19] <cjwatson> well, one of the problems
[14:19] <Rhonda> … or start adding deb-src for ubuntu onto my system. :)
[14:19] <Laney> I want to figure out if topgit makes sense
[14:20] <cjwatson> Rhonda: or chdist
[14:20] <Rhonda> cjwatson: What's chdist?
[14:20] <cjwatson> it's in devscripts
[14:21] <Laney> and I also want a way to indicate to Ubuntu developers that the Debian maintainer is maintaining a branch for the package
[14:21] <Laney> probably Vcs-foo
[14:21] <cjwatson> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/en/man1/chdist.1.html
[14:21] <cjwatson> I use it on an Ubuntu system so that I can do 'chdist apt-get unstable -d source <package>'
[14:22]  * Rhonda goes to http://deb.at/Mchdist instead  :P
[14:24] <Rhonda> huhm
[14:25] <Rhonda> $ grep-dctrl -FMaintainer,Original-Maintainer,Uploaders 'Gerfried Fuchs' -sPackage,Section /var/lib/apt/lists/at.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_* | grep-dctrl -v -FSection universe
[14:26] <Rhonda> So it's beep, irssi and logcheck  \o/
[14:27] <Rhonda> Laney: Thanks for pushing me to dig it up
[14:28] <Laney> \o
[14:28] <Laney> now get applying!
[14:31] <Rhonda> hah
[14:31] <Rhonda> If time permits I would. The irc meetings aren't quite working for me these days.  %-/
[14:31] <geser> 19:00 UTC doesn't suite you either?
[14:36] <Rhonda> That's around the time my young one goes to bed, and we have time to talk with each other, my SO and me
[15:26] <bdrung> ari-tczew: done
[15:27] <ari-tczew> bdrung: thanks
[15:36] <Rhonda> Oh. Still had an intrepid chroot and wondered why it gave me errors.
[15:38] <bdrung> all sync and merge requests processed
[17:03] <al-maisan> hello, I am having trouble installing a package (python-scipy) on natty; the errors are as follows: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/558620/
[17:03] <al-maisan> what is puzzling is that the quoted dependency "Depends: python-numpy (< 1:1.5)" is not in the python-scipy package's debian/control file
[17:04] <al-maisan> any ideas why this breaks?
[17:24] <geser> al-maisan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/python-scipy shows this versioned dependency too
[17:24]  * al-maisan looks
[17:25] <al-maisan> oh, I see.
[17:25] <al-maisan> thanks geser !
[18:04] <ScottK> Hopefully whoever uploaded the new numpy is also taking care of the transition.
[18:05] <maco> ScottK: does your brain pronounce that package's name with the proper -py ending or do you keep rhyming with an adjective for mashed potatoes?
[18:06] <ScottK> Depends.  That one rhymes with pie.  Scipy however sounds like the peanut butter.
[18:09] <geser> not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skippy_the_Bush_Kangaroo ? :)
[18:11] <al-maisan> re. the new numpy .. /me hopes the same .. I went back to rev. 1:1.4.1-5ubuntu4 for the time being
[18:17] <tumbleweed> ScottK: he's supposed to (he's a mentoree of mine). I'll prod him again
[18:18] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Thanks.
[18:20] <ScottK> geser: No.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skippy_(peanut_butter) - Also not http://skippyslist.com/list/
[18:47] <ari-tczew> ScottK: around?
[18:48] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Somewhat.
[18:49] <ari-tczew> ScottK: could you try build gnome-power-manager on natty (armel) without that change: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/gnome-power-manager/natty/revision/123#debian/rules
[18:49] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Link to a .dsc I can dget and build without change and I'll try it.
[18:49] <ScottK> Link/Link me
[18:50] <ari-tczew> ScottK: give me 5 minutes
[19:08] <m4n1sh>  i had the trunk build of gaj in my PPA
[19:08] <m4n1sh> now there is an official release
[19:08] <m4n1sh> so for adding the entry in changelog
[19:08] <m4n1sh> should I remove the changelog entry of the trunk build
[19:08] <m4n1sh> or keep it there?
[19:10] <ari-tczew> m4n1sh: remove
[19:10] <ari-tczew> keep information only about ubuntu package
[19:11] <m4n1sh> ari-tczew: yeah. Since I would ask a DD to upload it
[19:11] <m4n1sh> so I think it needs to go
[19:11] <m4n1sh> ari-tczew: thanks for help
[19:11] <m4n1sh> just wanted to learn the best practices
[19:12] <ari-tczew> m4n1sh: You're welcome.
[19:25] <ari-tczew> ScottK: armel = ARM ?
[19:25] <ScottK> ari-tczew: For our purposes yes.
[19:26] <ScottK> arm is the processor and also the name of a now defunct architecture in Debian that was replaced by armel (IIRC little endian versus big endian is the difference)
[19:38] <ari-tczew> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ari-tczew/ScottK/ let me know when you will start build :)
[19:41] <ScottK> ari-tczew: I have to update the natty chroot on that box first, so it'll be a few minutes.
[20:41] <ari-tczew> ScottK: How it's going?
[22:10] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Started the build and then had to leave.  Just got back.  I'll have a look and see.
[22:11] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Successful build.  Do you need the build log?
[22:11] <ari-tczew> ScottK: if you could upload somewhere?
[22:12] <ScottK> Sure
[22:14] <ScottK> ari-tczew: http://pastebin.com/QRrF9W0E
[22:15] <ari-tczew> ScottK: thanks :)
[22:16] <ScottK> ari-tczew: You're welcome.


[12:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'm done with the redesign of the package selection step. Next up is the installation type one (desktop, ltsp, server) then I'll have the fun one... the authentication step ;)
[12:35] <highvoltage> nice
[13:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: didn't there used to be a place where I can edit the contact form page content on http://edubuntu.org/admin/structure/contact/edit/1 ?
[13:27] <highvoltage> I can't seem to find where we used to enter things like "Don't use this for support" or "Sorry, we really really can't post you discs"
[15:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: I got my passport/visa back today, so at least that's not a problem
[15:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: good
[18:32] <highvoltage> stgraber: have you settled on flask or is that pretty much still up in the air?
[18:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: pretty likely to be flask, that's what I've been using so far (though the code isn't really flask specific)
[18:39] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool. I'm looking for a nice way to authenticate a flask app against samba4, so I'm (not so) secretly hoping that you'll be doing that for edubuntu to so that I could "steal" it :)
[18:41] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh, that part I already have, including changing password, it's everything else I don't have ;)
[18:41] <highvoltage> stgraber: oh awesome!
[18:43] <stgraber> highvoltage: code is in lp:~edubuntu-dev/edubuntu/edubuntu-server
[18:43] <stgraber> highvoltage: needs python-flask and python-ldap
[18:44] <stgraber> highvoltage: just replace the domain name and DN in access.py (hardcoded for now in the header)
[18:44] <highvoltage> cool :D
[18:46] <highvoltage> "Now on revision 67." heh, I think before I pulled I was still on revision 2, you've been busy :)
[18:47] <stgraber> yeah, took a few revisions to get something that works
[19:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: nice. there's nothing in that code that I don't understand. I guess having played with python3-lxc helped :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: I think in the deployments confirmation mail, perhaps the confirm link should be higher up, or perhaps it should say in the first line that they need to click that link to confirm
[19:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: because the mail itself almost looks like a confirmation mail that the details have been received and I can see how many people won't read it until the end
[19:23] <highvoltage> stgraber: I just looked at the rejection mail too and it might be nice if it mentioned that a reason for rejection could be because the submission wasn't confirmed
[19:23] <highvoltage> (it looks a bit short-off)
[19:25] <stgraber> highvoltage: you know that you have commit rights to that branch right? :)
[19:25] <stgraber> highvoltage: the email templates are at the end of deployments.module
[19:26] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah, cool!
[21:42] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://www.stgraber.org/download/edubuntu-step-1.png http://www.stgraber.org/download/edubuntu-step-3.png
[21:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: nice!
[21:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: so if you choose server, will you get server package options on the software selection screen?
[21:45] <stgraber> yeah, you'll get a different screen to choose the roles, that'll be step-4 (and step-3 will just be hidden on servers)
[21:46] <stgraber> I still need to implement step-2 which is the standalone/join-a-domain/create-a-domain one
[21:46] <highvoltage> well, it's already really nice
[21:47] <stgraber> I'm hoping to get step-2 and step-4 implemented tomorrow evening so we can get that stuff uploaded when the archive opens
[21:48] <stgraber> obviously step-1 changes depending on what .squashfs you have on the media and will be skipped entirely if you only have one
[21:48] <stgraber> (so our arm image won't show that step)


[23:43] <joey> rockstar: did you ever take your ve test?
[23:43] <joey> There's one on Thursday :-)
[23:44] <rockstar> joey, where?
[23:44] <joey> boulder
[23:44] <joey> Ellie...
[23:44] <joey> they do it every month
[23:44] <rockstar> joey, Boulder is a big place.
[23:45] <joey> near macaslan and south boulder road
[23:46] <joey> rockstar: actually this might be more correct http://www.qsl.net/w0dk/veteam.html
[23:46] <rockstar> Oh, of course the Mormons are behind it...
[23:47] <rockstar> I'll make some phone calls to those phone numbers and make sure.
[23:47] <rockstar> I've grown a bit weary of showing for tests in places where there are no tests.
[23:48] <joey> rockstar: just call ellie on that page and mention me
[23:49] <joey> rockstar: it's advertised regularly on 146.70 ...that's what prompted me to poke you


[10:05] <tjaalton> RAOF: mind if I merge from 1.10-branch before your backports?
[12:49] <tjaalton> RAOF: pushed the merge, rebase yours ;)
[13:06] <RAOF> tjaalton: No problem :)
[13:31] <Sarvatt> ScottK: ugh thats not good, mesa wasn't updated in natty-updates. was the crash the same with the event type 0 message?
[13:31] <ScottK> Let me check.
[13:38] <ScottK> Can't find anything in the logs, so either I don't have the right log anymore or it was something different.
[13:39] <ScottK> If it happens again, I'll pay more attention.
[14:37] <tjaalton> RAOF: how's the nouveau testing going?
[14:38] <RAOF> tjaalton: No-one's turned up with a broken machine, and the users here seem to find everything working.
[14:40] <tjaalton> whee
[14:40] <tjaalton> I'll test with my gf8600gt next week
[15:31] <tjaalton> oh synaptics needs a merge..
[15:51] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: do you think this was the upstream bug/fix for bug #774978? http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37459
[15:51] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 37459 in Input/synaptics "Strange check in syndaemon for synaptics device" [Minor,Resolved: fixed]
[15:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon (affects: 211) (dups: 34) (heat: 721)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774978
[15:51] <tjaalton> hum
[15:51] <tjaalton> wait
[15:51] <tjaalton> no :P
[15:52] <tjaalton> this was a crasher, duh
[16:37] <tjaalton> oh fck it, friday
[16:38] <tjaalton> time to finish the merge next week
[19:08] <jcristau> expiring bug 756273 seems wrong, there's a patch on it
[19:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 756273 in xterm (Ubuntu) "xterm dies on popup-menu action (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/756273
[19:46] <stefanlsd> Is it a known bug that nvidia-current and nvidia-current-dev get removed using xorg-edgers and doing dist-upgrade?  or do i have something wierd going on...
[19:56] <jcristau> bryceh: thanks
[20:58] <tjaalton> jcristau: hmm, does thomas have a public git for his xterm?
[20:58] <jcristau> xterm's in cvs afaik
[20:58] <jcristau> and i don't know of a public tree
[20:58] <tjaalton> ok
[21:08] <tjaalton> that patch is probably going to end up in xterm 271 then, but correct to keep the bug open
[21:08] <tjaalton> stefanlsd: read the ppa description, it's due to multiarch
[22:46] <yofel> not sure if this is a bug, but why does nvidia print something about i386-linux-gnu when I'm running amd64?
[22:46] <yofel> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/nvidia-current/alt_ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf (i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf) in auto mode.
[22:47] <yofel> that's oneiric
[22:47] <tjaalton> multiarch
[22:47] <yofel> ah
[22:47] <yofel> shouldn't I have one for amd64 too?
[22:48] <yofel> ah, was looking for the wrong file, nvm


[00:57] <guiverc> uwn 826 posted to fb
[01:03] <Bashing-om> ^ \o/
[01:36] <guiverc2> Bashing-om, replace https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/contribute/26 with https://ubuntu.com/community/contribute  (skel & wip issue?)   do you have a preference?
[01:38] <guiverc2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Join  (referenced)..  should be https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/joining-the-ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-team/40929
[01:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We are working toward depreciating all WIKI instances - we are almost done with the WIKIs.
[01:45] <guiverc> the link to https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/contribute/26 i wonder if what got me to 404 error on my phone..  (phone wasn't logged in)
[01:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: /26 link > "This topic has been replaced by the following resource:" So yeah we should do that re-direct to https://ubuntu.com/community/contribute?_ga=2.20369720.1494544449.1700780807-1801317718.1696462138 .
[01:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ short URL (same) https://ubuntu.com/community/contribute .
[01:51] <guiverc> :)
[01:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do have a list of the pages we have migrated to Discourse :)
[01:52]  * guiverc is slow here today; 33oC in this room currently..
[01:53] <guiverc> is there a glossary there.. (i did a search and didn't find any.. I've a mousepad page here with the wiki page partially converted..)
[01:53] <guiverc> s/mousepad page/mousepad window
[01:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: https://ubuntu.com/community/contribute - I do not see a glossary.
[01:59] <guiverc> i sent an email (whilst waiting earlier today in waiting room with family) which included link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/glossary  that uwn referencess..  converting that to discourse being what I meant
[02:00] <guiverc> lots of refs like "<<Anchor(ack)>>ACK" that i'm trying to decide if we just drop <<Anchor>> or try and adjust..
[02:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have you seen these editing docs: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/contributing-to-discourse-documentation/42391 // steep learning curve for me :(
[02:03] <guiverc> (I currently don't see we'll lose anything if <<Anchor..>> is just dropped...)  but not in any hurry to do that yet..
[02:05] <guiverc> yep that looks useful/nice Bashing-om ...  I was made a mod over at Lubuntu discourse years ago.. so have slowly learnt stuff there (sort of had to)
[02:06] <guiverc> (that doesn't mean I recall much of it.. just that I try and remember a page where I liked how something looked, and can thus go peek & copy formatting usually)
[02:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "had to" is such a goad !
[04:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 826 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/02/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-826/
[04:30] <guiverc> this 'term' in glossary makes no sense to me - " SRU - Search/Retrieve via URL."   I'll likely drop (two SRUs were defined; to me it's Stable Release Update(s) only)
[04:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Out of context - SRU is Stable Release Update to me also.
[04:35] <guiverc> (a bold doesn't look right.. why it's not yet visible...)
[04:39] <guiverc> i've saved it (thunder outside.. in case power goes out)... but "ACK - Acknow.." was supposed to make ACK only bold but I've got something wrong.. will correct when I can (& work out why is done wrong)
[04:40] <guiverc> (both SRU definitions are still there; along with a couple of others that maybe need deletion or change)
[04:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Have a cuppa and wait out the storm - get a fresh look at it.
[04:45] <guiverc> that doc could also be made a wiki.page; with URLs also made neater.. a WIP  (some text changed/dropped from wiki but mostly just copy)
[04:50] <guiverc> made it a list; the  looks as it should now (at least)
[04:51] <Bashing-om> Progress :D
[04:52] <guiverc> REVU needs to be dropped (goes nowhere)..     (i won't edit out now)
[04:54] <guiverc> Bashing-om, make the URLs [hidden]()???  or leave as is (easier to read when hidden, but I do like URL open & visble such that nothing is hidden)
[05:03] <Bashing-om> I too think open.
[05:17] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 826 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2024/02/12/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-826/
[05:24] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I also have a definition list - want that I add what I have to the Discourse list ?
[05:25] <guiverc> for sure !!  (also remove the REVU i mentioned if you edit please)  ...  feel free to delete/amend as necessary
[05:26] <guiverc> (I considered altering here earlier; but opted firstly to get the format looking ~okay... its hot here & thus I'm spending more time elsewhere (under ceiling fans) than sitting here)
[05:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - will be a while adding my list.
[07:03] <guiverc> 2fa = two factor  (s/to/two)
[07:04] <guiverc> arm = acorn ??  (boy that's old)...   advanced risc machine [architecture]  maybe better
[07:05] <guiverc> ^ just noting
[07:07] <guiverc> (even ARM ~= advanced risc machine is rather formal.. but it's more modern than 'acorn' .. could be ARM Holding processor maybe..
[07:11] <guiverc> some of what you added are real good, thanks Bashing-om   (MOK is rather critical I'd expect these days for one)
[07:11] <guiverc> Thanks !
[07:13] <guiverc> maybe we should add ROCKS as "portfolio and community for production-grade container images" as well; esp. given a definition exists for Rock (unrelated)
[07:14] <guiverc> ^ slight adjustment to my rocks definition; I dropped "best", maybe should also drop the "and"  (or leave best in)
[07:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: saved my additions and out of the glossary now.
[07:16] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[07:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Going back in - fixing and adding.
[07:48] <Bashing-om> Gkossary saved and out.
[07:48] <guiverc> thanks (again) Bashing-om :)
[08:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Meds have kicked on - headed off to bed.
[08:15] <guiverc> :) & have a good nights sleep Bashing-om
[19:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Simplify IoT device management: How to add Ubuntu Core devices to Landscape @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/simplify-iot-device-management-how-to-add-ubuntu-core-devices-to-landscape
[20:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: First Look at Ubuntu’s New ‘Desktop Security Center’ @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/first-look-at-ubuntus-new-desktop-security-center
[23:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Mozilla Announces Layoffs, Will Bring ‘Trustworthy’ AI to Firefox @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/02/mozilla-announces-layoffs-firefox-ai-plans


[07:20] <amurray> hey folks, can I please get someone to review https://code.launchpad.net/~alexmurray/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/417621 - this is needed to finish get nftables into main for jammy - thanks :)
[07:27] <xypron> I am looking for a sponsor for LP #1966219 flash-kernel will be needed for the RISC-V LiveInstaller image.
[07:35] <eoli3n> Hi
[07:35] <eoli3n> who wrote ubuntu-drivers util ?
[07:35] <eoli3n> --package-list is broken
[07:35] <eoli3n> --no-oem is broken
[07:36] <eoli3n> that guy should stop writing code
[07:44] <eoli3n> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1966638
[07:44] <eoli3n> another bug exists "--package-list list-oem is broken"
[07:44] <eoli3n> the dude fixed it... but no "--package-list list"
[07:45] <eoli3n> seriously dude, just stop code for a while.
[07:51] <eoli3n> i understand why people are moving to pop_os
[07:52] <eoli3n> if ubuntu-drivers is the tool to auto install the nvidia driver, then its full of bug
[08:44] <seb128> juliank, hey, was there any reason those ppc64el rebuild needed to migrate together?
[08:44] <juliank> seb128: no, they don't need to migrate together
[08:44] <seb128> juliank, update_excuses show them as 'Grouped with PPA ~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4810-deletedppa'
[08:44] <seb128> juliank, well britney disagrees it seems
[08:45] <seb128> juliank, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#apg as a random example
[08:45] <seb128> it seems to consider that since they landed together from a bileto they need to migrate as a group?
[08:45] <juliank> possibly
[08:45] <juliank> I don't really do britney stuff
[08:46] <seb128> Lukasz isn't around, who would know about that?
[08:46] <juliank> I looked at britney's code and that's true
[08:47] <seb128> shrug
[08:47] <seb128> it's going to be an annoying transition
[08:48] <juliank> you can force hint stuff
[08:48] <seb128> can we maybe tell britney to ignore the grouping for that landing?
[08:48] <juliank> arguably we should disable grouping for ppas 4810, 4815, 4816
[08:48] <juliank> but there'S no exclude list
[08:48] <seb128> that would be nice
[08:49] <seb128> seems like using bileto for those rebuilds wasn't the right thing to do
[08:50] <juliank> at least we got no build failures
[09:00] <juliank> seb128: So someone needs to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/417726 and update britney, but waiting for sil2100
[09:01] <juliank> usually vorlon does these sort of things
[10:59] <Fantu> hi, someone can consider the sync of muffin and bleachbit please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muffin/+bug/1965922 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bleachbit/+bug/1965435
[13:54] <enr0n> seb128: FYSA, I opened bug 1966317 as a follow on to our discussion on bug 1963758
[16:35] <juliank> sil2100, vorlon I typoed in https://code.launchpad.net/~juliank/britney/+git/britney2-ubuntu/+merge/417726 and 4810 should be 4813
[16:35] <juliank> please someone fix that :D
[16:35] <juliank> sorry
[16:44] <sil2100> I should have checked that but of course I didn't ;)
[16:44] <sil2100> On it
[16:46] <sil2100> juliank, vorlon: double-checked and done
[16:46] <sil2100> I love Bileto PPAs, but when there's so many Bileto tickets in flight, the numbers can get confusing
[16:49] <juliank> vorlon, sil2100 agreement to move the remaining ppc64el rebuild in the normal queue to huge?
[16:49] <juliank> such that we can get the other stuff move in front, wether small uploads or manual requests
[16:50] <juliank> I've written the tool to move the items over
[16:50] <juliank> it unfortunately won't re-order huge based on submit date, but oh well
[16:56] <juliank> I guess it's done
[22:46] <amurray> hey folks, could someone please take a look at (and hopefully approve) https://code.launchpad.net/~alexmurray/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/417621 - this is the last step to get nftables into main for jammy - thanks :)
[23:54] <GunnarHj> bdmurray: "The queue freeze will last from now until final release in October" That's a long time. :)


[16:48] <mlindsay> So registering a new session job appears to require more than just the presence of a file in $HOME/.config/upstart/myupstartjob.conf
[16:48] <mlindsay> True?
[16:49] <mlindsay> I’m running upstart 1.12.1 on trusty 14.04
[16:49] <jodh> mlindsay: no - that is sufficient. Is your job valid ('init-checkconf $HOME/.config/upstart/myupstartjob.conf')?
[16:50] <mlindsay> s3-router.conf: syntax ok
[16:51] <mlindsay> the reason I think it’s not running is ps aux | grep js returns nothing
[16:51] <mlindsay> and no corrosponding log file in /var/log/upstart
[16:51] <mlindsay> it’s all put together under a brand new user
[16:52] <mlindsay> so I created the .config/upstart dirs myself
[16:52] <jodh> mlindsay: /var/log/upstart is for *system* jobs, not session-level jobs. For those, look in $HOME/.cache/upstart/myupstarjob.log.
[16:52] <jodh> mlindsay: .config/upstart must exist before the session init starts (inotify limitation).
[16:53] <jodh> mlindsay: if that isn't the case, you should be able to run 'start re-exec' (non-root) to have the job picked up.
[16:53] <jodh> mlindsay: (and avoid having to log out).
[16:53] <mlindsay> jodh: do I have to create the .cache dir?
[17:13] <mlindsay> jodh: thanks for helping out, and sorry for any stupid questions, but when I ‘start re-exec’ I get start: Unknown job: re-exec
[17:22] <mlindsay> on a more general note, I’m setting this up as a session job for security reasons only, Is that appropriate?  If not I’m working too hard
[18:01] <jodh> mlindsay: yes, you need to create the .cache dir if you want job output to be logged (it's not an error if it doesn't exist, but upstart will discard all job output).
[18:01] <jodh> mlindsay: are you running 'start re-exec' as a non-root user?
[18:01] <mlindsay> yes
[18:03] <mlindsay> nodejs-runner@ip-###-###-###-###:/home/ubuntu$ start re-exec
[18:03] <mlindsay> start: Unknown job: re-exec
[18:08] <mlindsay> funny thing is, with ~/.config/upstart/s3-router.conf present, service s3-router status says s3-router: unrecognized service


[00:26] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: I've heard it's going to be somewhere in Europe
[18:29] <cjohnston> Somewhere in the world


[19:38] <aendruk> Are the old server guides archived online anywhere? e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/


[08:28] <tsdgeos> guys, i've retriggered CI for all the branches
[08:28] <tsdgeos> now that we have had a landing that should at least fix the qmluitests
[08:29] <tsdgeos> well not for wip
[08:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, was meaning to do that, thanks
[10:04] <tsdgeos> /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqpa-ubuntumirclient.so: undefined symbol: u_application_instance_get_mir_connection
[10:04] <tsdgeos> woot?
[10:04] <tsdgeos> is this the bad landing thing?
[10:05] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑↑
[10:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[10:05] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, dist-upgrade
[10:05] <tsdgeos> it's the CI jobs not me
[10:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah, they must be outdated then
[10:10] <Saviq> since this landed a few hours ago already...
[10:10] <Saviq> right, the AP jobs don't do dist-upgrade..
[12:06] <dandrader> wow! a new unity8 release finally!
[12:06] <tsdgeos> yeah \o/
[12:07] <tsdgeos> dandrader: see the comment i made in one of your MR, tehre's a few suspicious segfaults
[13:10] <mterry> Saviq, yay!  Thanks for shepherding that unity8 release through.  Lots of good stuff in there
[13:11] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, it was a big one
[13:29] <dandrader> Saviq, just noticed that your rotating grey rect also show in tryFoo, not only testFoo
[13:30] <davmor2> mterry: hopefully it fixes the welcome wizard crashing out but I need to test that
[13:30] <Saviq> dandrader, it was the same with the ActivityIndicator ;)
[13:31] <dandrader> Saviq, don't think so. I least I never noticed it in tryFoo...
[13:31] <mterry> davmor2, it should?  If you're talking about bug 1425484
[13:31] <dandrader> s/I least/at least
[13:31] <Saviq> dandrader, just look at the diff, it was there :)
[13:33] <Saviq> dandrader, oh wait
[13:33] <Saviq> dandrader, it had a visible: testCase.running
[13:33] <Saviq> dandrader, you're right
[13:34] <dandrader> Saviq, thanks to my lame code review I only spotted it now :)
[13:34] <Saviq> dandrader, not a huge thing, but we can fix indeed
[13:34] <Saviq> ;)
[13:34] <dandrader> Saviq, will you make the patch or shall I?
[13:35] <Saviq> dandrader, please do
[13:35] <dandrader> Saviq, ok
[13:58] <dandrader> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/noRotatingRectInMakeTry/+merge/253513
[14:05] <dandrader> tsdgeos, nice, I'm getting the segfault locally, after merging with trunk
[14:09] <Saviq> dandrader, tx
[14:16] <a1fa> anyone else having copy&paste issues with unity and remmina?
[14:16] <a1fa> issue : 2, the menu does not want to appear sometimes from hiding..
[14:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you repro https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1375491 in vivid?
[14:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we fixeded that some time ago
[14:54] <tsdgeos> did we?
[14:54] <Saviq> yeah, it was about visibility
[14:54] <Saviq> the layout got b0rked after we switch visibility around
[14:54] <tsdgeos> ah right, may be
[15:04]  * tsdgeos hits himself
[15:05] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: quick review https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/run_pot_file/+merge/253524
[15:05] <tsdgeos> ^_^
[15:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, would you have time to review this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/mouseClickSwitchesSurfaceFocus/+merge/252745
[15:38] <mzanetti> didn't I review that already?
[15:41] <dandrader> mzanetti, no. I think you just gave it a quick look
[15:41] <mzanetti> ah ok
[15:41] <mzanetti> but it's working now in trunk :D
[16:35] <tsdgeos> oh lol, rtm stable still has a "too high header" on the manage dash
[16:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, we never backported the fix did we
[16:36] <tsdgeos> seems not
[16:36] <tsdgeos> or maybe is in stable-proposed
[16:36] <tsdgeos> E_TOO_MANY_CHANNELS :D
[16:38] <Saviq> stable{,-proposed} == rtm{,-proposed}


[23:51] <mrsteveman1> roasted: it works the way  you want it to as long as the router tells your clients what domain they are a part of
[23:51] <mrwes> ActionParsnip1, nice to have puppylinux on a flash drive to fix system errors like messing with /etc :)
[23:52] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: open terminal and run: gconf-editor
[23:52] <cchaos> !help
[23:52] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: go to your routers config page, should be http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:52] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: there should be a domain name box
[23:52] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: you are under ubuntu and gnome right? or did I miss something
[23:53] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - my domain name is related to comcast.
[23:53] <lepine> I'm running to intrepid systems but they seem different. I'm trying to configure a vpn with the networm-manager openvpn plugin ... and that's quite the same, but not quite
[23:53] <PhxMan> martin: no you're right  I just ran the editor
[23:53] <kerlo> I have a feeling Ubottu's "!root" entry is inspired by Buddhism or something.
[23:53] <lepine> the controls that allow you to select files (to CA.crt, client.crt, client.key etc ) ... don't allow me to select the same kind of files
[23:53] <cchaos> !root
[23:53] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: ok, now apps > gnome-screensaver
[23:53] <PhxMan> got it
[23:53] <cchaos> !ask
[23:54] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: if the cable company requires a domain name for their system to be in there it could be more complicated
[23:54] <PhxMan> martin:  can i just delete the key under themes???
[23:54] <lepine> what could explain these discrepancies?
[23:54] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: the stock linksys firmware might not even hand out a search domain to dhcp clients
[23:54] <mrsteveman1> Roasted
[23:54] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - It must have been automatically generated. I did not put it in, and I was the one who set up this router. Comcast does not touch routers.
[23:54] <mrsteveman1> oops :)
[23:54] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: yes that was probably dhcp from upstream
[23:54] <vidor> Hiyas
[23:54] <vidor> !!!
[23:55]  * lepine just noticed that the logout menu now proposes IM status messages as well!
[23:55] <cchaos> !hi | vidor
[23:55] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - Question. If I disable WINS on all of the computers in the house, would that basically disable the XP computers from pinging each other by hostname unless I had a DNS server?
[23:55] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: don't know if that solves it. The cycle-delay key is minutes to wait before starting screensaver, set that very high
[23:55] <nightrid3r> mrsteveman1: i think stock linksys firmware links dhcp and dns
[23:55] <nightrid3r> mrsteveman1: doesn't*
[23:55] <lepine> nightrid3r: eg, lease and address and serve the dhcp hostname as an A record? Yes.
[23:55] <mrsteveman1> hmmm
[23:55] <st0k33> how do you force quit in ubuntu?
[23:56] <vidor> how do I revert back to the Ubuntu gnome login screen instead of the kde login in screen
[23:56] <vidor> anybody know
[23:56] <Roasted> st0k33 - for programs?
[23:56] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: if you disable WINS then windows file sharing will probably stop working
[23:56] <st0k33> yeah, if my firefox is not responding
[23:56] <lepine> killall firefox
[23:56] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: but yes probably
[23:56] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: sorry, idle-delay that is
[23:56] <lepine> or xkill, then click
[23:56] <Roasted> st0k33 - I personally use xkill. Type xkill in termianl and click on the problematic application.
[23:56] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  I deleted the theme and it let me open the screensaver program
[23:56] <st0k33> lepine: thx
[23:56] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn: i was able to change the default screensaver - it workeD
[23:56] <PhxMan> !
[23:56] <PhxMan> martinkoelewijn:  thank you for your help
[23:56] <Roasted> mrsteveman1 - Okay. I'm just trying to figure out if the Ubuntu thing with pinging and DNS is a Linux PROBLEM or if its something that would exist in Windows without WINS too.
[23:57] <lepine> Roasted: problem? eg, uber long waits between sending pings?
[23:57] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: its not an ubuntu problem, i can say for certain that if your router passes the search domain to all dhcp clients, and if those clients are named in the router config, pinging by hostname would work
[23:57] <martinkoelewijn> PhxMan: idle_activation_enabled will toggle on / off screensaver. But if it works its ok
[23:57] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: i believe your router is not doing this though
[23:58] <vidor> Anyone have any ideas?
[23:58] <ttto> How can I send every keystroke to standard output, even when xterm is not focused?
[23:58] <ConvictedFelon> Hello everybody! I was wondering if there was a way to remove currently installed packages that a download script does not contain? anybody know?
[23:58] <lepine> vidor, about?
[23:58] <mrsteveman1> Roasted: there is probably a way to check, perhaps open the network configuration on your ubuntu desktop, it should list a domain alongside the ip information
[23:58] <Roasted> lepine - Long story short... I have 4 computers in front of me. Two Ubuntu desktops, Mac iBook laptop, and XP laptop. I cannot ping Ubuntu to Ubuntu via hostname, but I CAN ping via IP address. I've just been discussing with the others here as to why that is, and it seems the common consensus is I may have a DNS issue with my router, and the reason XP works is due to XP's usage of WINS.
[23:58] <fx3> mrsteveman1, will defining search <domain> in resolv.conf fix it?
[23:58] <lepine> Roasted: interesting ...
[23:58] <vidor> reverting back to the nice looking ubuntu gnome login in screen instead of the kde launch/login screen?
[23:58] <mrsteveman1> fx3: i'm not sure if thats a valid config option for resolv.conf but if it is, yes
[23:59] <lepine> Roasted: look into your dhcp.conf ... see if you're sending a hostname
[23:59] <fx3> mrsteveman1, lol, of course it is, its a local override for what youve been talking about
[23:59] <Roasted> lepine - etc/dhcp.conf? In ubuntu?
[23:59] <lepine> if you arent ... your router won't be serving a dns record for it
[23:59] <lepine> Roasted: i think
[23:59] <mrsteveman1> fx3: ok then, try that :)
[23:59] <lepine> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[23:59] <fx3> Roasted, add a search domain in /etc/resolv.conf and see if it works
[23:59] <mkasson> how do I get Java? is it not in base install?


[22:41] <demophobia> last.fm doesn't seem to work well with rhythmbox; e.g. i can't get last.fm radio stations to play, or delete them once created ...
[22:41] <MonkeyDust> lowenea  winff is a nice ffmpeg frontend
[22:42] <lowenea> MonkeyDust: I need a command line program. Can I use it for that?
[22:43] <MonkeyDust> lowenea  if you're skilled enough: avconv or ffmpeg
[22:43] <lowenea> How do I do it with avconv?
[22:44] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: http://pastebin/iC8NghH6
[22:44] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: gone to look, brb
[22:45] <sudonoob> pastebin.com/iC8NghH6
[22:45] <sudonoob> bashing-om: http:// pastebin.com/iC8NghH6
[22:46] <MonkeyDust> lowenea  try to learn soem new things from this page https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/help-transcoding-video-with-avconv-4175452069/
[22:46] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: nope, I get my ISP's search page not pastebin .. try again.
[22:47] <schultza> how do i get a saucy ppa to load/update packages on a precise ubuntu?
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> lowenea  or simply       man avconv
[22:49] <k1l> schultza: use a PPA for precise
[22:49] <sudonoooob2> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/iC8NghH6
[22:49] <schultza> ppa for precise doesnt have the latest version of something that is needed
[22:49] <lowenea> MonkeyDust: Thnx
[22:49] <sudonoooob2> try that one
[22:50] <k1l> then look out for another PPA.
[22:50] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: still not working for you, my example to show it works ! -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828924/ ..
[22:51] <sudonoooob2> Bashing-om: http://tinyurl.com/o9g7vun  - I created the tinyurl version
[22:51] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: will try again that last, I got pastebin with a server busy notice.
[22:53] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2:  Yepper, got it ->chris@chris-D1740:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit !
[22:54] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: excellent. hopefully it helps
[22:55] <Bashing-om> sudonoob:  This ->chris@chris-D1740:~$ dconf reset -f org/compiz/ <- does not look proper at all .. I will be back.
[22:57] <Bashing-om> sudonoob:  The leading slash was missing from yoour command ->dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ <-, try again.
[22:57] <bob876> Hello. I'm having trouble with my T61 thinkpad with Ubuntu 13.10 (new install). It randomly freezes and reboots.
[22:57] <TJ-> Bashing-om: if you read further you'll see he did
[22:58] <PoolShark_> hi all... I have a question.. what I'm looking to do is build an Ubuntu server as a dual-WAN router, where one WAN is a slow but reliable DSL connection, and the other is fast but expensive mobile broadband connection. Is there a way I can route traffic based on content to one or the other interface? eg having windows updates, apt-get, youtube streams, and other stuff go over DSL, and regular web browsing go over the mobil
[22:58] <mlody> Hi some one can helo me? I hibernate windows 7 and run grub update now grub doesn't see my windows. How add grub to windows now?
[22:58] <fer755> dunno what is metric 202 param on route command anyone know?
[22:58] <Bashing-om> TJ-: THANKS, haste makes waste.
[22:58] <TJ-> PoolShark_: Yes, there is a way using alternative routing tables in combination with packet marks, but it is not easy
[22:59] <PoolShark_> TJ-: do you know of any place where it is explained how to do it?
[22:59] <H1FuelCell> hey folks
[22:59] <H1FuelCell> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04; I have python 2.7.3 right now, can I install python 2.6.6 near it, is it fraught with danger?
[23:01] <TJ-> PoolShark_: The key phrase is "Linux policy-based routing"
[23:01] <PoolShark_> thanks... let me go try my google-fu
[23:01] <sudonoooob2> Bashing-om: I did it agin, just in case, but you will see i used it (i think)...
[23:01] <sudonoooob2> http://pastebin.com/WtWb5aMq
[23:02] <TJ-> PoolShark_: If you want to make it easier I'd recommend installing Shorewall ... see for example http://www.shorewall.net/MultiISP.html
[23:03] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: Do you know for sure your grahics did work ? ..  Are you using nvidia drivers?
[23:03] <nicko_94> hi guys, I want to do something quite simple with a bash script: Find the extension of any file. Can you help me with it?
[23:04] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: not completely sure. They were installed when I uninstalled windows
[23:04] <bob876> Is there anything I can do to help solve my computer's problem?
[23:05] <nicko_94> bob876: what's it?
[23:05] <bob876> It's a fresh install of 13,10 on my T61. It randomly reboots :\
[23:06] <TJ-> nicko_94: something like this? " F="/usr/share/doc/apport/symptoms.txt" B=${F##*.}; echo $B "
[23:07] <nicko_94> bob876: have you seen a log of the boot process?
[23:07] <b00md> I am running a server on EC2 and I am trying to get a subdomain to work. I've modified my apache config to point dashboard2.mvp-interactive.com to /var/www/dashboardv2 but for some reason it keeps looking for /var/www - any ideas? here is the pastebin - http://pastebin.com/0SEzFCen  -- the main DNS is hosted with go GoDaddy and dashboardv2.mvp-interactive.com points to my linux server at
[23:07] <b00md> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:08] <sudonoob> TJ: I am running the OEM disc from Ubuntu and have not installed any drivers.. its a Pentium4 process
[23:08] <TJ-> bob876: random reboots are often caused by overheating or memory module issues. Checking "/var/log/kern.log" *may* reveal some clues but sudden reboots generally mean the log won't be updated with any useful info.
[23:08] <bob876> Thank you, I will look
[23:08] <TJ-> sudonoob: Can you do "lspci -knn | pastebinit"
[23:09] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: let's check, give me a few tics to verify what I have in mind.
[23:09] <nicko_94> TJ-: That's it, man, thank you
[23:09] <Oobii> Question,
[23:10] <H1FuelCell> p
[23:10] <Oobii> The more stuff you have on your laptop (music, pictures, documents) does it make your laptop heavier?
[23:10] <Oobii> ??
[23:10] <PoolShark_> TJ-: Shorewall looks cool... but I need to get deeper than just an IP or an application's port number... I need to get into the application code and break up an HTML transaction across the multiple WANs... for example load all youtube code through the fast interface except for hte video stream itself - send that request out the DSL
[23:10] <PoolShark_> if you get my meaning
[23:10] <PoolShark_> and, just as an example
[23:11] <Oobii> I'm wondering because I want to carry my laptop somewhere
[23:11] <Oobii> but i'm worried if I install too much stuff on it, i won't be able to carry it anmyore
[23:11] <TJ-> PoolShark_: That's why you use poilcy-based routing, Shorewall makes it easier to tie the requirements together and manage them
[23:11] <sudonoooob2> TJ: http://pastebin.com/6B9nt80M
[23:11] <elmer1> :DDd
[23:11] <sudonoooob2> Bashing-om:
[23:11] <Oobii> The more stuff you have on your laptop (music, pictures, documents) does it make your laptop heavier??
[23:11] <PoolShark_> TJ-: oka... well I need to dig into the documentation, but the cursory summary doesn't seem to indicate it can do policies based on HTML content... we'll see
[23:11] <Oobii> help
[23:12] <mlody> I hibernate my windows 7 and enter to Xubuntu. I edit grub using Grub Customizer after restart i dont have windows 7 on grub. I was try grub update but not not see my windows but osprobe see
[23:12] <TJ-> PoolShark_: You can mark packets as they enter netfilters from a process and then use a routing policy later to send them out over the required interface
[23:12] <Oobii> t
[23:12] <mlody> some one now how to add windows i need enter documents
[23:12] <bob876> I'm going to try reproducing the reboot event
[23:13] <TJ-> PoolShark_: You'll need to do deep packet inspection if the router isn't the originator of the traffic, or else route based on destination hosts
[23:13] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: pastebin ->sudo lshw -C display, then pastebin ->lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga ....
[23:13] <ff29> so i have a few questions about installing amd graphics drivers anyone able to help?
[23:14] <KurtKraut> I've purchased a Asus Vivobook notebook with Windows 8. I'm struggling to make it boot to Ubuntu I've managed to install. All instructions I find online tells to set to off any UEFI or 'secure boot' or 'fast boot' option. But in the BIOS there is no option related to that. Did I purchased a computer that is impossible to use Linux with it?
[23:14] <skinux> Are applications under /opt/ supposed to be owned by root specifically?
[23:15] <TJ-> sudonoob: Your system is using the Intel i915 video driver, so OpenGL support can be problematic at best
[23:16] <sudonoooob2> http://pastebin.com/9NpkDuvk for the first
[23:16] <fulanito> hi
[23:16] <fulanito> can anyone help me to add a route in linux 10.04?
[23:16] <nicko_94> KurtKraut: It depends on the version you installed. It has to be the last one. If not, you'll need to configure your bios to legacy mode (not UEFI one)
[23:16] <Bashing-om> KurtKraut: I think I have seen where ASus is tough.. might take a search on ubuntuforums on some hints to get ubuntu installed.
[23:17] <genii> skinux: Not necessarily. If you had /opt/new-email-server /file.bin   for instance, the dir "new-email-server" could be owned by whatever user might be allowed to be one which runs the binaries under that
[23:17] <fulanito>  route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[23:17] <KurtKraut> nicko_94, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 13.10
[23:17] <fulanito> root@ws1:~#  route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[23:17] <fulanito> SIOCADDRT: No such process
[23:17] <fulanito> any idea why I get this reponse?
[23:17] <sudonoooob2> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/4D0AYY7Q
[23:17] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: looking
[23:18] <TJ-> fulanito: Try prefixing the command with "sudo "
[23:18] <fulanito> I am as a root
[23:18] <fulanito> user
[23:18] <PoolShark_> actually I might be able to do this much more easily with squid
[23:18] <genii> TJ-: I thought you would have seen the hashmark prompt ;)
[23:18] <PoolShark_> send everything from squid out the fast WAN, and just tell squid not to proxy the mime types of the content I want going out the DSL
 root@ws1:~# sudo route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[23:19] <fulanito> SIOCADDRT: No such process
[23:19] <TJ-> PoolShark_: Yes, for HTTP not HTTPS, you could. HTTPS is a bit more complicated
[23:19] <fulanito> I still get no response
[23:19] <nicko_94> KurtKraut: do you know how to get to the bios settings? There should be an option to boot csm mode only. It is a different name for the legacy mode.
[23:19] <TJ-> fulanito: genii: yeah, not reading closely enough
[23:19] <PoolShark_> what's the issue with HTTPS?
[23:20] <KurtKraut> nicko_94, Yes, I do know how to get to the BIOS settings and there is no mention to CSM at all. It is driving me crazy :/
[23:20] <TJ-> fulanito: the reason is, <IP_ADDRESS> isn't in the <IP_ADDRESS> network
[23:20] <bob876> I'm back. I can reproduce the reboot issue at will. I can't find anything interesting in the logs but if you would like to look, here is /var/log/dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/6829034/ and /var/log/kern.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6829036/
[23:20] <TJ-> PoolShark_: errr... its encrypted, so you can't cache it, can't even see what host it is requesting, you can only see the destination IP
[23:21] <PoolShark_> TJ-: true point there...
[23:21] <TJ-> bob876: "mce: [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged" MCE == Machine Check Event"
[23:22] <nicko_94> KurtKraut: it is, but it's not as easy as it should. I did this some tome ago. Let me check a few things and I'll tell you how to find it
[23:23] <KurtKraut> nicko_94, thank you in advance!
[23:23] <TJ-> bob876: Run the mcelog daemon and then trigger the event, "sudo mcelog --daemon --syslog" ... you *should* get some more useful output in "/var/log/syslog" or "/var/log/kern.log"
[23:24] <bob876> Ok, here I go!
[23:24] <PoolShark_> hrmm
[23:25] <mlody> Can some one help me?
[23:25] <nicko_94> mlody: be more specific, pls
[23:25] <jhutchins> mlody: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[23:26] <fulanito> where are the ip routes stored in linux/
[23:26] <fulanito> ??
[23:27] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: I "think" the Brookdale driver should support unity, we'll try to get the desktop back the quick and easy way:
[23:27] <TJ-> fulanito: In the routing tables
[23:28] <Bashing-om> sudonoooob2: Code:sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop ; re-install the desktop.
[23:28] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: Excellent, just let me know what to do
[23:28] <nicko_94> KurtKraut: You have to go to the bios settings, find the "boot" tab, and enable the Launch CSM option. Please try that and, if it doesn't work, come back
[23:28] <mlody> I was try change default kernel run on grub using Grub Customizer. After save change restart pc on grub i can't see windows i was try this http://pastebin.com/WLfnaM8h . How to add windows again? Now my windows is Hibernate
[23:28] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: Code:sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[23:30] <ff29> so if i am having issues with installing amd drivers, i now have no screen
[23:30] <nicko_94> mlody: did you try the SuperGRUB2 Disk?
[23:30] <ff29> and it appearst fglrx is all sorts of screwed
[23:30] <ff29> i try to do a apt-get install -f which fails and points me to
[23:31] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: and now reboot and let's see what there is.
[23:31] <ff29> .fglrx_2%3a13.101-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[23:31] <KurtKraut> nicko_94, There is a boot tab but doesn't have anything mentioning 'CSM'
[23:31] <sudonoob> bashing-om: Done that and says setting up ununtu
[23:31] <sudonoob> rebooting
[23:31] <ff29> saying theres an error... would it be bad to delete said file?
[23:31] <mlody> nicko_94 no i dont have flash data and clear CD but i need take documents from windows
[23:31] <sammy> what's everyone's favorite mirror for the southwestern US? I can't find anything giving me more than 100-200kpbs :(
[23:32] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: Still no dash...
[23:32] <nicko_94> mlody: you don't really need it. You can use uNetbootin to install it to a partition in your HDD
[23:33] <sammy> maybe its just daytime and everything is innundated but univ of utah, uc davis, kernel.org, a few others were just so slooooooow and the saucy upgrade has 1.2gb to download
[23:33] <kev999> anyone online who can help with ubuntu 12.04lts setup for dns - I used to put entried in resolv.conf - but this has changed
[23:34] <nicko_94> KurtKraut: mmm...can you take a pic of the options that it shows? It's really difficult to help with so less information
[23:34] <TJ-> sammy: that sounds more like you have a local router being overwhelmed
[23:34] <mlody> nicko_94 uNetbootin dont need cd or USB?
[23:34] <kev999> I want my server to resolve requests from other computers on my lan
[23:35] <sammy> TJ-: I can consistently snag 600k from speedtest.net and torrents rn. I am out in the boonies, but I should be able to average 500k+, where the mirrors Ive chosen so far were topping out around 100
[23:35] <nicko_94> mlody: Nope. It can be installed in USB or HDD. Just be sure to select the right iso image, and the right HDD partition.
[23:36] <sammy> maybe I just need to keep going through the list. I'm tempted to try the mirrors.ubuntu.com which does some geolocation based on the requesting IP to do round robin DNS or some sort?
[23:36] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: not looking good, let's try ->sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop ; sudo apt-get install unity .
[23:37] <TJ-> sammy: that might help, unless you've got an ISP doing some kind of traffic-shaping for such things
[23:37] <bob876> Ok, I ran the daemon for logging and reproduced the crash. Here is /var/log/syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6829109/ and /var/log/dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/6829111/
[23:38] <sammy> TJ-: i sure hope not. let's see how the mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt deb line works...
[23:38] <sudonoob> Unity is already the newest version
[23:38] <JaneDoe> where can i set the "focus follows mouse" in gnome-shell 3.8.4?
[23:39] <skinux> What is the right way to convert a PNG to an XPM icon?
[23:39] <kev999> bye
[23:39] <kev999> quit
[23:39] <TJ-> bob876: Unfortunately, the MCE is too severe so mcelog isn't able to write to a log before the system resets
[23:39] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: and still no launcher on let of screen, even when slamming the mouse against that lft edge ??
[23:39] <skinux> I thought simply exporting to XPM format would be sufficient. However, that only seems to be exporting a black gradient background.
[23:40] <TJ-> bob876: what do you do, to reproduce the issue?
[23:40] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: Nothing mate. Not even the clock
[23:40] <Bashing-om> sudonoob:  *left
[23:41] <TJ-> sudonoob: Have you tried using the Guest log-in, or creating a new user profile?
[23:41] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: tried that too. I have an untitled folder on desktop. Let me log in as guest
[23:42] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: Now that aint making a lot of sense to me for that outcome, let's see what -> sudo dkpg-reconfigure unity <- does.
[23:42] <bob876> TJ: I visit this website http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/holidaystats/ and scroll down to around 1/5th of the page. Then it reboots.
[23:43] <Boreeas> Is there a way to pass compiler flags to make via the command line?
[23:43] <TJ-> bob876: I do notice in the log "pci 0000:00:1f.0: address space collision: [io  0x1000-0x107f] conflicts with ACPI CPU throttle [??? 0x00001010-0x00001015 flags 0x80000000]" ... if the CPU throttle control is inactive, then I can imagine that any processor intensive task could cause the CPU to overheat
[23:44] <fulanito> is there a file where all the routes are stored?
[23:45] <fulanito> ip routes*
[23:46] <sammy> :( that set it to archive.cannonical.com which was suuuuper slow :P I'll just go with uc davis and wait the few hours extra.
[23:47] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: logged into guest session and tried the other bits on main - nothing
[23:47] <a_> i have an issue with block ios and high cpu usage can anyone point me on debugging the issue? i'm using deadline elevator and it seems operating better than cfq, i5 with 1 tb hd as temp disk, raid 10 4 disc array with lvm with 4tb of space as my storage, system is on ssd 8gb of ram, can it be too much for the fakeraid chip?
[23:47] <gustavo> teamviewer works ony 64bit on linux ?
[23:47] <TJ-> bob876: It looks as if there is a more recent BIOS update available for the T61... its worth checking and updating that first
[23:47] <a_> gustavo, yep
[23:48] <gustavo> a_, 32bit not worked ?
[23:48] <a_> gustavo, get the debian pkg for your ubuntu version
[23:48] <MonkeyDust> skinux  GIMP can handle png and xpm
[23:48] <Gorash_> yay serversplit
[23:48] <gustavo> a_, ok, but my ubuntu is 32bit
[23:49] <TJ-> sudonoob: Bashing-om: It's worth using ccsm to check if the unity plug-in has somehow been disabled
[23:49] <fulanito> why I get this ?
[23:49] <fulanito> root@ws1:~# route add -host <IP_ADDRESS> gw  <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[23:49] <fulanito> SIOCADDRT: No such process
[23:49] <jhutchins> skinux: Generally imagemagick is the best way to convert image files.
[23:49] <jhutchins> fulanito: Your subnet is invalid.
[23:50] <TJ-> fulanito: Because the host cannot gateway through another network, I told you
[23:50] <jhutchins> fulanito: The gateway has to be on the same subnet.
[23:50] <sudonoob> Tj: I tried doing ccsm and when i checked the utility it unticks it when i leave it, even though i enabled all the options
[23:50] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: Well, does youe system meet the minimum specs to run unity ?
[23:50] <TJ-> sudonoob: Hmmm, that's not good!
[23:50] <a_> fulanito, jhutchins is right unless specified by iptables
[23:51] <a_> i have an issue with block ios and high cpu usage can anyone point me on debugging the issue? i'm using deadline elevator and it seems operating better than cfq, i5 with 1 tb hd as temp disk, raid 10 4 disc array with lvm with 4tb of space as my storage, system is on ssd 8gb of ram, can it be too much for the fakeraid chip?
[23:53] <sudonoob> TJ: Just checked the min req... I make it
[23:54] <a_> i have an issue with block ios and high cpu usage can anyone point me on debugging the issue? i'm using deadline elevator and it seems operating better than cfq, i5 with 1 tb hd as temp disk, raid 10 4 disc array with lvm with 4tb of space as my storage, system is on ssd 8gb of ram, can it be too much for the fakeraid chip?
[23:55] <TJ-> sudonoob: Are you able to pastebin "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[23:55] <bob876> TJ: Here is something important I just remembered, I DO NOT have this reboot issue when I have nvidia proprietary drivers installed.  But when I have those drivers installed, X crashes (I don't think it left a record in Xorg.0.log) after I return my computer from sleep mode in a number of times (I haven't tried reproducing it but it happens more than once).
[23:55] <mlody> nicko_94 boot/ubenkern not found when i trying use bot unetbootin
[23:55] <viderbit> sry about this question, but is there anyone that can connect to this irc server - efnet.xs4all.nl
[23:55] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: ubuntu/unity likes 2 gigs of ram,, how much are you sporting ?
[23:56] <TJ-> bob876: That might correlate with my thought the CPU has to shutdown ... without the nvidia driver more of the graphics rendering will be done in the CPU, making it hotter.
[23:58] <sudonoob> Bashing-om: It has 1.5gb ram - os type is 32 bit
[23:58] <funky> heya
[23:58] <Bashing-om> sudonoob: should work !
[23:58] <funky> how I can mass search and replace in linux?
[23:58] <sudormrf> hey guys!  was wondering if any of you have any recommendations for decent hosted email services.  looking for something where I can just setup something like 2 users.
[23:58] <funky> search for string in file and replace
[23:58] <sudormrf> this is for private email, not enterprise.
[23:59] <funky> decent means?
[23:59] <ff29> gmail...
[23:59] <TJ-> bob876: This may help to capture more information: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html
[23:59] <funky> gmail reads all mails
[23:59] <bob876> TJ: Yup. Good reasoning! I'll try reproducing the issue from the nvidia driver. Is there anything I should to prepare for the crash or what I should look at after it?
[23:59] <sudormrf> funky, something that doesn't go down all the time.  gmail is a no go.  thought about icloud, but I wouldn't want them to obsolete the site in a couple of years and have to deal with a mail address change and what not.