[01:21] <BlankDenim> where can I get , oh nevermind :)
[01:21] <BlankDenim> no ait yeah
[01:21] <BlankDenim> where can, nevermind -_-
[01:22] <osito> how do I re-enable nm applet ?
[01:24] <minimec> osito: there is a remote mode or so i think in >system >network >wifi
[01:27] <whta> quick question. is this compiz fusion out-of-the-box with gutsy designed to work properly with ati cards with no extra config?
[01:28] <osito> minimec, nothing there
[01:28] <minimec> whta: Depends on your card. the radeons working with the opensource driver should work out of the box.
[01:30] <whta> minimec: so if i have an x700 pro at the moment, it would work? because currently i have an xgl session set up, and I'd like to know if i'll need to keep it.
[01:30] <whta> though i'm probably going to buy a new card very soon. nvidia, of course.
[01:31] <osito> how do I re-enable the roaming mode =(
[01:31] <minimec> whta: i have no experience with xgl ...
[01:34] <lymeca> I want a FAST place to download a Gusty alternate install disc
[01:34] <lymeca> A good mirror better than official
[01:34] <lymeca> I'm in Massachusetts
[01:36] <osito> lymeca, why don't you try bittorrenting? it's usually faster in my experience
[01:36] <rsk> yes if you are on fiber
[01:37] <rsk> dsl and cable is usually really slow on torrents
[01:37] <Skwid_> i upgraded to gutsy and i can't find the screen and graphics tool ? what package is it with ?
[01:37] <rsk> displayconfig-gtk
[01:38] <Skwid_> thanks rsk :) twice :)
[01:38] <rathel> lol http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38403/ How do I fix that, or is it a gutsy bug?
[01:38] <rathel>
[01:39] <minimec> osito: I have the 'roaming option' in the WirelessConnectionSettings of  the NetworkSettings
[01:40] <Skwid_> rsk: i have it now
[01:40] <osito> minimec, mine is gone, do you know how to re-enable nm applet?
[01:40] <minimec> osito: is it installed?
[01:41] <osito> minimec, it is
[01:42] <Skwid_> is there a way i can install the packages that dist-upgrade missed ? (such as displayconfig)
[01:42] <ReL1K> anyone got a t61 intel video card?
[01:42] <minimec> osito: I can't help you I think?
[01:46] <DanaG> You can fix the comcast spoofing with some iptables rule.
[01:46] <DanaG> I don't know what it is, but there was something on Slashdot about it.
[01:46] <DanaG> Oh, and for fast direct download: go to a college campus and download from some mirror at a place such as mirrors.kernel.org.
[01:47] <DanaG> Or look up the list of ubuntu mirrors, and try to find one nearby.
[01:47] <osito> the icon has returned once I aptitude reinstalled it
[01:47] <osito> hi
[01:48] <minimec> osito: cool ;)
[01:48] <osito> seems like I'm back in business
[01:48] <osito> now if only I could ping when using wifi
[01:49] <osito> minimec, can you take a look at bug 92088, my second to last post
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[01:50] <osito> anyone knows if there's plan to update the network-manager to .7 version on Gutsy?
[01:51] <osmosis> serial --unit=1
[01:52] <osmosis> Im having a problem with the update-grub script. There is no place in my menu.lst file to configure console options on the initrd line.
[01:54] <osito> is there a way to purge the list of wireless networks already detected and star from scratch?
[01:54] <Amaranth> osito: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/networking/wireless/networks
[01:54] <RAOF> rathel: What's the bug?    What *driver* are you using?
[01:56] <rathel> RAOF, fglrx? The restricted driver that it get's for ya..
[01:56] <RAOF> rathel: Ok.  Hm.
[01:58] <bur[n] er> hey RAOF, what was that freedesktop X thing that should make totem video work with intel drivers and compiz running?  EXA?
[01:58] <Amaranth> yeah, EXA
[01:59] <Amaranth> of course EXA makes your desktop in general slower...
[01:59] <gaminggeek> EXA?
[02:00] <bur[n] er> i wouldn't care if it was slow as long as videos played
[02:00] <bur[n] er> vlc kind of works, but not really like my old nvidia card did
[02:02] <osito> how do I safely remove old kernels?
[02:03] <minimec> osito: synaptic aptitude apt-get
[02:03] <bur[n] er> aww, no dice.  exa makes my fonts unreadable
[02:03] <RAOF> "sudo aptitude remove linux-image-<oldversion>"
[02:04] <osito> minimec, wouldn't it "get" me the kernels ??
[02:05] <minimec> osito: Well it will show you the installed kernel packages and then you decide what you want to do with these packages.
[02:05] <osito> minimec, thanks, I'll give it a try
[02:11] <javabugz> does anyone know if mplayer in gusty uses libdvdread?
[02:12] <osito> anyone might throw some light on why my laptop registers fine and gets a dhcp ip from my wireless router, but would only ping it's own assigned IP and nothing else?
[02:13] <javabugz> encryption mismatch?
[02:15] <minimec> osito: HAve a look at your /etc/resolv.cof. You have no DNS Server I guess.
[02:15] <minimec> osito: You can't even ping the router?
[02:16] <javabugz> pinging ip address does not involve the resolver
[02:16] <osito> I have my ISP DNSs there and no, I cant even ping the router itself
[02:17] <minimec> osito: what does ifconfig say?
[02:18] <osito> I'm currently "hard-wired" but when I'm "wireless" it shows the IP assigned by DHCP the broadcast and the mask just fine
[02:18] <DanaG> hmm, do any of you know how to do stuff with avahi/zeroconf and dnsmasq?
[02:18] <osito> and I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> that's the ip assigned to the laptop viia dhcp
[02:19] <DanaG> I want my dd-wrt router, which runs dnsmasq, to announce the presence of its status page.
[02:19] <osito> now it shows eth1:avah also on the wireless interface
[02:19] <minimec> osito: ok. try also iwconfig to see the wifi connection status
[02:19] <DanaG> It's possible that changing wifi drivers would have changed interface names.
[02:20] <DanaG> When I was using iwl3945 (which now seems to have disappeared.......), it originally wanted to be wlan0_rename.
[02:20] <osito> minimec, it shows info, any bit you're interested in particular?
[02:20] <DanaG> Look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[02:20] <DanaG> But that's likely not the issue.
[02:21] <osito> this bit seems odd  Rx invalid crypt:175
[02:21] <minimec> osito: link quality and noise
[02:21] <osito> minimec, Link Quality=86/100  Signal level=-48 dBm  Noise level=-69 dBm
[02:22] <DanaG> aack, l-u-m removes iwl3945.
[02:22] <DanaG> But waah, I wanted to use it.
[02:22] <RAOF> DanaG: ??
[02:22] <minimec> and the Essid is correct and you get an ip...
[02:22] <osito> I'll do a multiline paste if no one mind for you to see
[02:23] <osito> minime, yes, the ID is fine and the laptop gets an ip from the router/dhcp
[02:23] <RAOF> osito: That suggests that youv'e got the wrong WEP/WPA key?
[02:23] <DanaG> Sorry, I'm just being random.
[02:23] <DanaG> !find iwl3945.ko
[02:23] <ubotu> File iwl3945.ko found in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-386, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-rt, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-server, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-ume (and 1 others)
[02:24] <osito> RAOF, why do I get an IP then? I've multiple-checked the key
[02:24] <minimec> osito: could it be that you have the network card enabled to in the network configuration and your simply doesn't use the wifi. Try to disable eth0 in the network.
[02:24] <RAOF> DanaG: No, that's fine.  I just confirmed that iwl3945 no longer exists on my system.  Which is OK by me, 'cause it doesn't work properly, but I can see how that'd be irritating.
[02:24] <RAOF> osito: No idea :)
[02:25] <minimec> RAOF: He wouldn't get an ip when the wep/wpa are wrong
[02:25] <osito> minimec, what if I yank my ethernet cable, is that what you need?
[02:26] <minimec> osito: You have >System>Network. There you can configure enable/disable your network devices.
[02:26] <Xero> !find compiz-core.h
[02:26] <Xero> I really need that file.
[02:26] <ubotu> Package/file compiz-core.h does not exist in gutsy
[02:26] <osito> minimec, can you please put a game plan on the bug already reported? then the community could benefit/help as well
[02:27] <osito> there are at least 3 fellow ubunteros suffering what I am
[02:27] <minimec> osito: I did not report a bug for some time now. What do you mean?
[02:27] <osito> minimec, can you take a look at bug 92088
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92088 in bcm43xx-fwcutter "this does not work with dell 1390" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92088
[02:27] <osito> this is the bug I'm dealing with
[02:28] <DanaG> I like using iwl3945 just to be daring, mostly.
[02:29] <minimec> I mean I am running a HP nc8000. My contribution to a 'Dell' bug would be rather small...
[02:30] <dmakalsky> Hi, can someone please walk me through on how to get AWN going?
[02:30] <osito> minimec, but you've got the right questions IMHO
[02:31] <osito> and if recorded there would be a better trail of what's been already tried and such
[02:31] <minimec> osito: I'll have a look.
[02:32] <osito> minimec, thanks a bunch
[02:34] <sam1337> Anybody here have an installed version of x-plane?
[02:36] <Laibsch> !pdf
[02:36] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[02:36] <Laibsch> !acrobat
[02:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acrobat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <minimec> osito: So you installed the restricted dirver?
[02:40] <FatDave> hey guys.  anyone around that can help me with weird nvidia restricted module problems?  I'm running a fresh gutsy install
[02:40] <osito> minimec, yes, but I believe there's another bugger around there
[02:41] <osito> the restricter driver shows "Not in use" even if I have the iwconfig showing my interface
[02:42] <minimec> osito: Well you might have to wait a moment and try to help them. Unfortunally I cannot help you.
[02:43] <osito> minimec, do you mean report it as a bug also?
[02:46] <minimec> osito: add a comment to the existing bug.
[02:46] <osmosis> any xen testers here ?
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> i installed i the other day.... but its totally new to me..
[02:47] <nomasteryoda> not any time to actually see how it works
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> yet
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> installed on a core duo dell
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> with 2gb ram
[02:51] <Laibsch> I have installed mozilla-acroread from medibuntu.  acroread runs fine and nppdf.so is active according to about:plugins
[02:52] <Laibsch> But pdf files are opened in a separate window when I want them to open inside the browser window.
[02:52] <Laibsch> This used to work. How do I get the functionality back?
[02:53] <FatDave> has anyone else been reporting problems with the restricted nvidia drivers for gutsy?
[02:54] <minimec> FatDave: Yes. The xserver was not loading correctly
[02:55] <FatDave> what were the symptoms?
[02:55] <osito> minimec, thanks on listening I'll reboot and update the bugger accordingly
[02:55] <FatDave> they would reboot and get the "failsafe graphics" screen?
[02:55] <osito> I've seen exactly that FatDave
[02:56] <osito> and I'm now stuck at 800*600
[02:56] <FatDave> ya.  thats what i'm trying to figure out.  don't suppose anyone has had any success ?
[02:56] <minimec> FatDave: he had a black screen with the mouse pinter in it, while starting the gdm session
[02:56] <osito> I had that happen to me on a inspiron 8200 (geforce go 440) this afternoon
[02:57] <osito> FatDave, certainly not me =(
[02:57] <FatDave> this is a GeForce4 MX onboard card i believe
[02:57] <osito> myne is also a geforce4 go 440
[02:57] <FatDave> i did something that actually worked once.  I was able to run nvidia-settings and it detected my card and everything.  but then I rebooted and everything went to hell again
[02:57] <osito> FatDave please subscribe alex_mayorga to the bug if you file it
[02:58] <FatDave> and I haven't been able to reproduce the success since
[02:59] <osito> it's the so called "bullet proof X" to blame IMHO
[02:59] <osito> I can confirm the breakage in any case
[02:59] <FatDave> hm
[03:00] <FatDave> so i guess i'm just stuck like this for a while then huh?
[03:00] <RAOF> It works for me, but I'm using nvidia-glx-new.
[03:01] <FatDave> i also have tried the -new with no success.  I don't think my card is supported under -new either
[03:01] <osito> FatDave, have you found it reported already? I tried to search but was unlucky
[03:01] <FatDave> i don't think so.  but i've only browsed the forums quick
[03:01] <FatDave> i didn't look to any specific gutsy stuff
[03:02] <RAOF> FatDave: Oooh.  If you've installed nvidia-glx-new at some point, you *may* have to remove the /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_instaled file
[03:02] <FatDave> yeah.  i've scrubbed my machine since then
[03:02] <FatDave> so now i'm only running nvidia-glx
[03:03] <RAOF> FatDave: And what's the actual error?
[03:04] <FatDave> could someone remind me what the trick is again to get totem to play dvds?
[03:05] <FatDave> the error is that when I tell nvidia-xconfig to write out a new xorg.conf, and then reboot, it boots me to the "failsafe graphics" window
[03:05] <FatDave> and then I have to end up choosing the nv driver i think
[03:06] <RAOF> FatDave: So, when that happens, there should be a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old or somesuch lying around.  Could you pastebin that?
[03:06] <FatDave> and I don't think nvidia-settings works with the nv driver
[03:07] <FatDave> let me see if I have that log
[03:07] <RAOF> Indeed it doesn't.
[03:08] <FatDave> is there a way to tell what driver i'm using right at the moment?
[03:09] <RAOF> grep Driver /var/log/Xorg.$DISPLAY.log
[03:09] <AmyRose> FatDave: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i driver
[03:11] <FatDave> RAOF, I see this error in my Xorg.0.log.old:
[03:12] <FatDave> Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compativle NVIDIA X Driver not found)
[03:12] <FatDave> *Compatible
[03:12] <AmyRose> FatDave: Don't look at the .old one
[03:12] <FatDave> but the current one is for the x session i'm currently running.  not the one that didn't work
[03:12] <AmyRose> Oh
[03:13] <RAOF> AmyRose: UUoC :P
[03:13] <RAOF> FatDave: Can you pastebin the whole log, please?
[03:13] <FatDave> yeah.  i'm just looking over it to make sure its the right log.
[03:14] <AmyRose> RAOF: ?
[03:14] <RAOF> AmyRose: Unnecessary Use of Cat :)
[03:15] <FatDave> see here is what makes me skeptical that this isn't the right log:
[03:15] <FatDave> Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so
[03:15] <AmyRose> RAOF: But I like cats =P
[03:15] <RAOF> AmyRose: So don't use them up uncecessarily :)
[03:15] <FatDave> shouldn't that have a reference to nvidia instead of nv RAOF ?
[03:16] <AmyRose> RAOF: How about dog /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver ?
[03:16] <AmyRose> :P
[03:16] <RAOF> FatDave: Yes.
[03:16] <FatDave> hm....i'll reboot and when i get that failsafe graphics screen i'll just go to another shell and log in so that I can see what the most current log says
[03:17] <RAOF> FatDave: You may be interested in pastebinit, too
[03:17] <FatDave> oh.  whats that?
[03:17] <RAOF> !info pastebinit
[03:17] <ubotu> pastebinit: command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 84 kB
[03:18] <FatDave> nice
[03:18] <FatDave> i'll looks it up
[03:18] <FatDave> *look
[03:18] <FatDave> ok.  what plugin do i need to play DVD's?  Or do I have to browse the forums :P
[03:19] <AmyRose> FatDave: libdvdcss from Medibuntu
[03:19] <FatDave> oh ya.  thats is.  thanks!
[03:21] <tate> Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to play a DVD in Gutsy Gibbon?
[03:21] <tate> I have VLC, I have tried OGLe
[03:21] <tate> I need a library I don't have
[03:22] <FatDave> add the medibuntu repos, then install libdvdcss
[03:22] <FatDave> and make sure you sub the right name.  aka. gutsy instead of feisty in the repo name
[03:24] <buttercups> or, sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[03:25] <tate> I tried that last one, now every media player I try freezes
[03:25] <tate> I have people coming over to watch a DVD on my media center and I hate to have to tell them it just doesn't work
[03:25] <tate> the most basic freakin' thing!
[03:26] <FatDave> well, installing libdvdcss2 after adding the repo as instructed on the medibuntu page seemed to work for me
[03:28] <FatDave> i think i had to reboot or something first though....
[03:37] <FatDave> tate: you using totem?
[03:38] <FatDave> if you are, also do "sudo apt-get install totem-xine libxine1 libxine1-ffmpeg"
[03:38] <FatDave> after I did that.  then it worked
[03:39] <FatDave> RAOF: you still here?
[03:40] <RAOF> Yup
[03:40] <FatDave> you going to be here for a while?
[03:40] <RAOF> FatDave: You have a logfile for me?
[03:40] <RAOF> On and off, yes.
[03:41] <FatDave> my wife wants to watch a movie....which hogs the myth box
[03:41] <FatDave> so I can't produce a log just yet
[03:54] <secleinteer> hi, i installed gutsy in vmware, and tried to upgrade the packages, but when i get to some lib 'pam' install, it says i have to reboot
[03:55] <secleinteer> when i try to reboot, it freezes on 'running local boot scripts'
[03:55] <secleinteer> when i manually reboot, and run the upgrade again, it tries to install lib 'pam' again and i get the same problem
[03:56] <secleinteer> any ideas on fixing this?
[03:57] <DanaG> Odd: now the brightness-on-idle thing does NOT show a GUI.
[03:57] <DanaG> BUt it still changes brightness... and blinks twice while doing it.
[04:03] <secleinteer> it's specifically called 'libpam0g', btw
[04:05] <secleinteer> hmmm, i did some stuff and now dpkg just returned some error and then skipped that package
[04:06] <Random832> will /usr/X11R6 be gone? you know, now that we're on R7 [and other dists are just putting it all in /usr]
[04:06] <Random832> i.e. in the next v ersion of ubuntu
[04:06] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555964&page=4
[04:06] <DanaG> hmm.
[04:06] <DanaG> Poll about the new subpixel rendering.
[04:08] <secleinteer> looks like the problem was auto-reported or w/e
[04:10] <RAOF> DanaG: That poll doesn't have the correct answer, which is "No hinting"
[04:11] <DanaG> s/the correct/my chosen/ (where 'my' is you.)
[04:12] <RAOF> Well, yes.
[04:16] <rockets> Hey so I just installed Gutsy
[04:16] <rockets> and apt-get is broken
[04:17] <rockets> When I try to do a sudo apt-get update I get:
[04:17] <rockets> E: Unable to write mmap - msync (2 No such file or directory)
[04:17] <rockets> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:17] <rsk> yea that's broken alright
[04:17] <rockets> rsk: Yes I know its broken, any idea how to deal with it?
[04:18] <rockets> I haven't made *any* changes, this is today's daily release.
[04:23] <rsk> daili build?
[04:23] <rsk> or tribe
[04:44] <kevinO> is gutsy going to be released with a newer version of gnome?
[04:45] <RAOF> Not than the one that's currently in there (barring bugfix releases, possibly).  We've *got* the latest Gnome version!
[04:46] <kevinO> oh, i thought i read somewhere that they are released simutaneously
[04:46] <RAOF> No.  We *do* take some time to test that they actually work! :)
[04:46] <kevinO> is it a different version from fiesty fawn?
[04:47] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:47] <RAOF> 2.20 rather than 2.18.
[04:47] <RAOF> And Hardy will have 2.22 :)
[04:47] <corevette> kevin0: you might be thinking of the new KDE
[04:47] <kevinO> ok
[04:47] <kevinO> thanks guys
[04:49] <kevinO> doe shardy come out 6 months after gutsy?
[04:49] <kevinO> or is there not a set time for the releases?
[04:50] <pppoe_dude> any ideas why the panels have big thick borders?
[04:50] <RAOF> !release
[04:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[04:50] <kevinO> thankd RAOF
[04:51] <Kr0ntab> I tried todays daily iso, and the progress is fantastic.  Very nice features.  I love that the Ubuntu team listens to the community.  What a great job.
[04:58] <snadge> spewing that my 8600gt doesnt just work out of the box.. now i have to use windows at work because dont have time to stuff around with it ;)
[05:00] <RAOF> snadge: It should work, at least after installing nvidia-glx-new
[05:02] <snadge> RAOF: tried that.. went into restricted drivers manager, it said i didnt need a restricted driver.. had a quick hunt around, the nvidia binary howto in the ubuntuguide says have to install drivers manually from website for 8600gt
[05:02] <RAOF> They lie.
[05:02] <snadge> oh woops im in ubuntu+1 .. im talking about feisty ;)
[05:02] <RAOF> Also, ubuntuguide sucks.
[05:02] <RAOF> snadge: Ah, in which case they're *right*
[05:02] <snadge> this is a work pc.. and i had feisty on cd, so i decided to try and use that
[05:02] <IntuitiveNipple> wow, hottest I've seen these cores... 76C !
[05:03] <snadge> i got the nvidia binary drivers on there, then i was having screen resolution / refresh issues.. at which point my boss told me off for wasting too much time
[05:03] <snadge> and to just use windows
[05:07] <snadge> i take it gutsy has working 8600 drivers then? :)
[05:08] <snadge> without screen resolution/refresh problems? :P
[05:09] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:09] <RAOF> Although "refresh problems" may refer to the intended behaviour of the nvidia drivers with twinview.
[05:11] <snadge> oh never mind about that.. i just have a 22" lcd screen and an 8600.. nice and simple ;)
[05:14] <RAOF> Then the refresh rate should be irrelevant, and hopefully it will just work.
[05:14] <bur[n] e1> snadge: you could download a tribe5 cd
[05:15] <bur[n] e1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[05:15] <snadge> RAOF: it wasnt detecting the resolutions
[05:15] <bur[n] e1> snadge: the money he saves in software cost is worth the extra ten minutes of setup.
[05:31] <Vuen> quick question, since the itunesdb hash function was cracked on the new ipods, is there any chance of new ipod support being rushed into gutsy before release?
[05:31] <Ryo> Okay, I've heard about a new thing called "Bulletproof X" that's supposed to be in gutsy, but it seems not to exist.  Is this just not implemented yhet?
[05:32] <Vuen> !bulletproofx
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulletproofx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <wladston> I was later here asking for help on an issue. Checked that it was reported to be working on gusty, so I'd like to  try t upgrade to get my system working again.  I have a server without a video card, so I can't use update-manager. Can anyone tell me how to update to gusty via command-line ?
[05:32] <Ryo> wlad-  type sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <Vuen> Ryo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BulletProofX
[05:33] <Ryo> wlad- then change all your repositories from their original distro to gutsy
[05:33] <RAOF> wladston: You may be interested in "do-release-upgrade"
[05:34] <wladston> RAOF: yeah!
[05:34] <wladston> but looks like I'll need to pass some sort of flag
[05:34] <RAOF> --devel-release, probably :)
[05:34] <wladston> "No manual entry for do-release-upgrade"
[05:35] <Ryo> Yuen-  I checked that out, but I couldn't find whether or not it was implemented yet.  If it is, it's not very good, because I've never had it boot into failsafe mode.
[05:35] <wladston> RAOF: just tried, didn't work :(
[05:35] <Vuen> Ryo: ah. i read on slashdot that it has been implemented
[05:35] <RAOF> wladston: Eh.  Um...
[05:36] <wladston> "current dist not found in meta-release file"
[05:36] <Vuen> Ryo: and the blueprint is gone from launchpad, which might possibly mean it's done
[05:36] <Ryo> wladston-  You might have to do it manually /w apt.
[05:36] <wladston> "No new release found"
[05:36] <wladston> allright
[05:36] <wladston> chaning my sources.list
[05:36] <RAOF> Wait...
[05:36] <Vuen> heh
[05:37] <Vuen> use at own risk! #sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:37] <Vuen> the quick and dirty way, and almost guaranteed to break
[05:37] <Ryo> vuen- well it's not in the packages list.  so I'll just assume it's not quite done.
[05:37] <wladston> :)
[05:37] <Ryo> wladston-  I did it that way, It worked fine for me.  And I'm not broken ^.^
[05:37] <gregcha117> ive got gutsy running right now, and i have compiz-fusion installed but i cant seem to start the settings manager
[05:38] <Ryo> gregcha117-  What settings manager was installed by default?
[05:38] <RAOF> wladston: You probably want to check out http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5 - the "Upgrading from Fiesty" bit.  Don't worry that it uses "update-manager", do-release-upgrade is in the same package.
[05:39] <Vuen> wladston: yeah, i also just changed my sources.list and did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:39] <gregcha117> ccsm is what was installed and everytime i try to run it i get an error and it doesnt start
[05:39] <Vuen> should work.
[05:39] <Vuen> but not for beginners, because you might get stuck at command-line if anything goes wrong
[05:40] <Ryo> I use GLdesktop.
[05:40] <Ryo> It's a little tiny GUI based thing for it.
[05:40] <wladston> well, I'm on a "unsupported" architeture ... my server is a powerpc
[05:40] <Ryo> wladston- then you might have to wait for october to roll along.  sorry.
[05:41] <Vuen> oh
[05:41] <wladston> Ryo: oh, for real ?? :(
[05:41] <Vuen> i'm pretty sure canonical dropped powerpc
[05:41] <Vuen> you might not get gutsy at all.
[05:41] <wladston> :( I wished to stay with ubuntu :(
[05:42] <Vuen> you can. there's no real need to have the latest version, especially since you're on older hardware.
[05:42] <Ryo> wladston- unfortunately, it's true.  Allthough they might be nice and give PPC support for Hardy in April.
[05:42] <Vuen> wladston: feisty will be supported for the next 2.5 years on your powerpc. you don't have to give up ubuntu.
[05:42] <wladston> my hardware isn't "older" ... it's just different ... i bought it 3 months ago
[05:42] <Vuen> wladston: and after 2.5 years (or any time in between), you can switch to debian.
[05:43] <wladston> Vuen: the problem is that the mldonkey package has some nasty bugs - the core doesn't start :( and the guys said it was working on gusty
[05:43] <Ryo> Vuen-  He is right, PPC isn't an outdated architecture, it's just... Mac.
[05:43] <Vuen> not really. apple moved to intel chipsets. they're on x86 now.
[05:44] <Vuen> that's mostly why canonical is dropping ppc
[05:44] <wladston> Ryo: I have a Kurobox. It's like a linux-powered NAS that takes very little power
[05:44] <wladston> Ryo: I use it as a file server, and also as the server for my experiments, and file sharing
[05:44] <Ryo> That's true.  But Power PC was originally invented by IBM and Primarily supported by Mac.
[05:44] <wladston> i was the first one to run Ubuntu on that kind of machine :)
[05:45] <Vuen> anyway wladston, if it's a server (and you're installing the server edition), it will be supported for the next 2.5 years, so you can stick with feisty. if you *really* want the latest stuff on powerpc, you can always install Debian Etch.
[05:45] <Ryo> As well as Wii.  Which apparently runs Linux.  w00t!
[05:45] <Vuen> wii runs linux?
[05:45] <Ryo> Yuppers.
[05:45] <Vuen> link
[05:45] <wladston> well, I just wanted to have mldonkey working again :(
[05:45] <Vuen> sounds made up. link
[05:45] <wladston> after I did an apt-get upgrade, it doesn't work anymore :( I can't get music/videos anymore
[05:45] <Ryo> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061009-7939.html
[05:46] <wladston> I don't know what can I do to have it working again ... on the bug that looks like my case, the guy said "it works on gusty" and the bug was marked as fixed
[05:46] <Vuen> wladston: or you could install Debian Unstable on your server. it's really your only option for bleeding edge on powerpc architecture.
[05:47] <wladston> yeah - I was on debian before i made the switch to ubuntu
[05:47] <Vuen> wladston: tried purging it? sudo aptitude purge mldonkey
[05:47] <Vuen> backup your settings first
[05:47] <Ryo> No wait, source is bad, but I'm still pretty sure it runs linux,  because its files are in ln linux binary formats when you import them to SD.
[05:47] <wladston> I tried with apt-get remove --purge
[05:47] <Vuen> linux binary formats? that doesn't make sense
[05:47] <leperkhanz> I STILL can't get any 3d in wine.
[05:48] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[05:48] <Vuen> what files are in "linux binary formats"? what is a "linux binary format"?
[05:49] <Ryo> hold on, let me get a better source for you.
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> !binary
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about binary - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:49] <Vuen> haha
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-emulat.html
[05:51] <FatDave> RAOF:  still here?
[05:51] <gregcha117> i cant get ccsm started for compiz-fusion
[05:51] <Ryo> By Linux binary format I mean its files are .bin formatted, btw.  Which is generally associated with Linux systems.
[05:51] <wladston> the problem about switching to debian is no nice launchpad like support :(
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> Vuen, source code has to be compiled into a binary to run on your Linux system... or windows, mac, solaris, etc...
[05:52] <leperkhanz> gregcha117: You found System: pref: advanced desktop settings?
[05:52] <Vuen> ...
[05:52] <leperkhanz> they changed it's name and such.
[05:52] <Ryo> wladston- yeah, but the Ubuntu forums will still help you with open arms.
[05:52] <gregcha117> leperkhanz: compiz is running fine but the compiz settings manager wont start so i cant configure it
[05:54] <leperkhanz> gregcha117: Just wanted to make sure you weren't starting it from the command line, since the name changed.
[05:54] <Vuen> and i'm back from disconnection. now where were we?
[05:55] <Ryo> K, after digging, I found a better source for the fact of Wii running Linux  http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/10/08/1754219.shtml
[05:55] <Ryo> Why I didn't think to check slashdot, I don't know.  Considering if they hear "Linux" anywhere, they jump to report.
[05:56] <Vuen> i'm pretty sure that's not the case. why aren't nintendo distributing the linux source code?
[05:57] <Ryo> Vuen,  accordingly, it's a proprietary version of Linux.
[05:57] <Ryo> So they wouldn't have to.
[05:57] <Vuen> yes, they would.
[05:58] <Ryo> Vuen, no, that would be if they were running a GNU version of linux.
[05:58] <hydrogen> err
[05:58] <hydrogen> linux /is/ gpl
[05:58] <Vuen> ryo: hi. you're completely out to lunch.
[05:58] <hydrogen> there is no "commercial alternative"
[05:58] <hydrogen> they could use a unix derivative
[05:58] <hydrogen> but not linux
[05:59] <Vuen> they can't even pay the copyright holders for a non-gpl linux license because kernel contributors maintain the copyright over their code
[05:59] <hydrogen> .bin isn't a binary format
[05:59] <hydrogen> linux binary format is currently ELF
[05:59] <Vuen> which means if they want a proprietary version of linux, they have to hunt down every last person who contributed code (including the code contributors who are actually DEAD) and pay them off to give them permission.
[05:59] <Ryo> I mean the file extension for it...
[05:59] <hydrogen> it used to be a.out, but thats more of a compatability thing
[06:00] <hydrogen> there is no extension for most executables
[06:00] <Vuen> exactly, the file extension is totally irrelevant
[06:00] <hydrogen> ls /usr/bin
[06:00] <IntuitiveNipple> Ryo. It was a hoax http://saruwatari-wii.blogspot.com/2006/10/my-name-is-sebastian.html
[06:00] <Vuen> and this ryo:
[06:00] <Vuen> http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=199749&cid=16358253
[06:00] <Vuen> read the comment. it's made up.
[06:00] <Ryo> I see
[06:01] <Ryo> Well what does it run, then?
[06:01] <Vuen> their own OS.
[06:02] <Ryo> Well whatever.  Wii still rocks.  And that's what counts.
[06:02] <Vuen> yes, it does.
[06:03] <Vuen> people have been trying to crack it to install linux on it, but that's going to be pretty much impossible (at least without a soldering iron)
[06:03] <Ryo> Ha, I love when they actually ask you to do that.  Most people just quit when they hear "Now desolder this chip".
[06:03] <Vuen> the wii even digitally signs saved games using elliptical curve encryption so that you can't try modifying saved games to inject code through a buffer overrun
[06:04] <Ryo> There are programs to make miis though.
[06:04] <Vuen> it's pretty seriously locked down
[06:04] <Ryo> yeah
[06:04] <Ryo> But at least that means you won't have to worry about getting a virus for it.
[06:04] <Vuen> heh
[06:05] <Ryo> Wii doesn't seem the ideal system to use Linux on though, to be honest.
[06:05] <Ryo> Xbox was a little more ideal for that.  Save for the fact that it was made by microsoft.
[06:06] <Ryo> Because Wii lacks one thing that you really need if you want to use a serious Operating system-  A hard drive.
[06:06] <Vuen> nah
[06:06] <Vuen> half a gig is plenty for an embedded form of linux
[06:06] <Vuen> lots of cellphones run linux these days
[06:07] <Vuen> and they've got web browsers, email, etc.
[06:07] <Ryo> Yeah, but if you want something more serious, like, for example, a full copy of Ubuntu, you'd need a hard drive.
[06:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Ubuntu fits in 700MB :)
[06:08] <IntuitiveNipple> and thats with all the drivers; for a targeted piece of hardware it'd be way way smaller - most of that 700MB is open-office
[06:09] <Ryo> It is very small, that's true, but unforunately Wii only has a system memory of half a gig.  If you either compressed it a ton or cut out a few programs, you might be able to pull it off.
[06:09] <shayne> is there any way to make my cd/dvd's mount in a generic directory in /media? i'm sure this used to happen in feisty, but now they auto-mount in a directory named after the cd label - not in /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0
[06:10] <IntuitiveNipple> shayne: Yes, add an entry in /etc/fstab using the volume's UUID, and make sure the directory exists in /media
[06:11] <Ryo> Shayne-  On mine it shows as a CD automounting by the its proper name, but still has a regular entry in /media.  Do they just not go to /media on yours anymore?
[06:12] <wladston> WOW -- looks like I'll be using ubuntu for a few more time - after i removed every file that contained mldonkey after purging, and installed, it did work :)
[06:12] <shayne> IntuitiveNipple, ah, ok - so change the fstab entry from /dev/hda to whatever the UUID is? Ryo - i've still got the cdrom and cdrom0 links in /media, but there's nothing in there when the cd/dvd is mounted - only in the volume label directory
[06:13] <Ryo> wladston-  w00t ^.^
[06:13] <shayne> this is what's in fstab for cd/dvd drive: /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
[06:14] <Ryo> wladston-  I almost typed your name as wldonkey from reading that.  I think it's time I go to sleep.
[06:14] <Ryo> I'm going.  Goodnight everybody.
[06:14] <IntuitiveNipple> shayne: Yes; I use that method for my USB keys, external drives, etc
[06:14] <wladston> I just love the way Ubuntu is developed ... :) good night Ryo!
[06:14] <shayne> IntuitiveNipple, ok, i'll try it out ...
[06:14] <Vuen> bleh, past midnight, i should sleep
[06:14] <Vuen> night all
[06:14] <wladston> RAOF, Vuen, good night!
[06:15] <IntuitiveNipple> shayne: An example: # SanDisk 2GB USB key 751MB #1 46A0-AEBC
[06:15] <IntuitiveNipple> UUID=46A0-AEBC /media/key1 vfat rw,user,uid=1000,noauto,exec 0 0
[06:16] <IntuitiveNipple> # SanDisk 2GB USB key 1.1GB #3 d6f1f983-57cd-46cd-a1a4-e743b2bbfbfc
[06:16] <IntuitiveNipple> UUID=d6f1f983-57cd-46cd-a1a4-e743b2bbfbfc /media/key3 ext3 user,rw,nosuid,nodev,noauto,exec 0 0
[06:16] <shayne> hmm ... i don't get anything when i do "blkid /dev/hda" ... maybe hda is no longer my optical drive ... how do i tell which device it is?
[06:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I use "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[06:17] <DanaG> vol_id -u /dev/sdaX
[06:17] <DanaG> must be as root.
[06:19] <IntuitiveNipple> I also use those disk/by-uuid/ paths in /etc/crypttab
[06:19] <shayne> looks like the block device is scd0, not hda ... i think
[06:22] <shayne> how funny .... dunno why gutsy thought my cdrom was at hda ... just changing the fstab entry to point to /dev/scd0 and not /dev/hda fixed the problem - thanx dudes!
[06:35] <DanaG> Odd: I can't use snd_pcsp as a pulseaudio sink.
[06:35] <RAOF> DanaG: I can't imagine why that would be :)
[06:36] <DanaG> I can aplay to it, though.
[06:37] <RAOF> Oh, really?  Wow.
[06:37] <DanaG> I had to manually build it, though.  alsa-hg.
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh, and I had to remove the l-u-m hda-intel.
[06:37] <DanaG> Oddly, beep through pcspkr doesn't work.
[06:38] <DanaG> And why is pcspkr an input device?
[06:39] <RAOF> You've never used your pcspkr as a mic before? :P
[06:47] <DanaG> I hope you're joking.
[06:47] <DanaG> And the type of input I mean, is keyboard/mouse.
[06:49] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:51] <keram`> hello
[06:51] <keram`> my sound isnt working
[06:51] <keram`> has anyone else had a sound problem with gutsy and a laptop?
[06:54] <DanaG> !find snd_pcsp.ko
[06:55] <ubotu> Package/file snd_pcsp.ko does not exist in gutsy
[06:55] <DanaG> bummer.
[06:55] <keram`> :/
[06:56] <keram`> i dont know what the problem is
[06:56] <keram`> its been like this for a long time
[06:56] <keram`> before i put ubuntu on it, windows was able to use the sound card
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[07:06] <DanaG> oops, I got an oops.
[07:06] <DanaG> Apparently, snd_pcsp doesn't like being unloaded.
[07:29] <keram`> bur[n] er_, i think i'm using tribe 4
[07:29] <keram`> bur[n] er_, lenovo x61
[07:29] <keram`> if i do dist-upgrade will that upgrade me to tribe 5, or the latest gutsy version?
[07:29] <RAOF> Latest gutsy.
[07:29] <keram`> ok
[07:29] <keram`> i will try that then
[07:29] <RAOF> Because a tribe is just a snapshot of the continually changing archive.
[07:29] <keram`> this install is maybe a month and a half old
[07:29] <keram`> i see
[07:29] <keram`> i will check back in 20 minutes after the upgrade :]
[07:29] <keram`> thanks
[07:29] <RAOF> (A snapshot that's more likely to be installable than a random daily CD, but otherwise just a snapshot)
[07:31] <kevinO> what packages do i need to open firefox through ssh?
[07:31] <kevinO> besides firefox
[07:31] <kevinO> im running gutsy server
[07:33] <RAOF> Just firefox.
[07:33] <RAOF> It'll install everything it needs.
[07:40] <kevinO> but when I do ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then type firefox, it says gtk warnign cannot open display
[07:41] <RAOF> Hm.
[07:41] <RAOF> echo $DISPLAY outside of ssh?
[07:42] <kevinO> localhost:10.0
[07:42] <kevinO> that when im logged into ssh
[07:42] <kevinO> want me to log out and do that?
[07:42] <RAOF> yeah, try that.
[07:43] <kevinO> :0.0
[07:43] <keram`> ssh -X
[07:43] <keram`> ssh -X usr@ip
[07:43] <RAOF> Odd.
[07:43] <kevinO> yeah thats what im doing
[07:43] <kevinO> i get a gtk warning cannot open display
[07:46] <kevinO> well. It is opening firefox now, but its from the same computer, if I type localhost, it displays my website on my workstation, I am trying to ssh into my server
[07:48] <kevinO> oh well i give up for the night
[07:49] <kevinO> gotta get some sleep
[07:49] <kevinO> night yall
[07:51] <DanaG> Try -X -Y
[07:53] <DanaG> Hmm, for a 99.89DPI screen, what's better for Gnome, 99 or 100?
[07:53] <kevinO> tried that DanaG, same thing happens
[07:53] <kevinO> thanks anyway  :)
[07:55] <DanaG> Odd, now KDE fonts look better than Gnome fonts, for some reason.
[09:20] <gaminggeek> Hello
[09:21] <gaminggeek> is there a way to get ubuntu to generate me a new X.org config
[09:21] <gaminggeek> I want to set it back to default
[09:21] <gaminggeek> I tryed moving it to a .old config but its not made me a new one from defaults :(
[09:22] <RAOF> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg"
[09:22] <gaminggeek> thankyou!
[09:22] <RAOF> Drop the -pcritical if you'd like some configuration questions :)
[09:26] <gaminggeek> How do I know what mouse protocol my mouse uses?
[09:26] <RAOF> Is it an microsoft explorer mouse?
[09:26] <RAOF> Yes: Explorer.  No: ps/2
[09:27] <gaminggeek> its a microsoft laser mouse I just assumes the default
[09:28] <RAOF> Doesn't hurt :)
[09:30] <enyc> I have noticei tha
[09:31] <enyc> I have noticed that xorg likes loading config from cwd/xorg.conf in preference to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:31] <enyc> --can be really confusing ;-)
[09:32] <NielsE> where is cwd located?
[09:32] <enyc> current working directory
[09:33] <enyc> i.e. whatever dir you are at in shell, before you type X etc; -)
[09:33] <NielsE> odd :-P, could be handy though
[09:34] <jscinoz> Is there any way for gnome-screensaver to support thinkfinger for fingerprint authentication?
[09:35] <RAOF> jscinoz: If thinkfinger provides some pam modules, prosumably yes.
[09:35] <jscinoz> it does
[09:35] <jscinoz> it uses pam to integrate with GDM login window
[09:36] <RAOF> And that doesn't make gnome-screensaver Just Work?  Damn.
[09:41] <wabid> hey is there a way to get compiz working on an ati firegl v5200
[09:42] <h1st0> !ati | wabid
[09:42] <ubotu> wabid: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <NielsE> what happens when you enable it?
[09:42] <h1st0> wabid: just use the restricted manager install drivers for your card then enable desktop effects
[09:42] <wabid> from the terminal
[09:42] <NielsE> preferences->appearance->enable desktop effects
[09:42] <wabid> no witelisted driver found
[09:42] <wabid> cant be enabled from there
[09:42] <wabid> the driver works fine though
[09:43] <wabid> i know the restricted driver is working mostly right because the laptop runs at 1920x1200
[09:44] <wabid> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[09:50] <wabid> hello
[10:01] <gaminggeek> hello again
[10:02] <wabid> hi
[10:02] <gaminggeek> thank you RAOF
[10:02] <gaminggeek> that worked
[10:08] <scizzo-> morning everyone
[10:10] <wabid> is there a reason compiz wont enable with the ati drivers
[10:10] <scizzo-> you get any error?
[10:32] <knix> I'm about to murder trackerd
[10:33] <databuddy> whats a good 7.1 sound card to get?
[10:45] <Symian> Hi - ok, so, I risked an upgrade to 7.10 even though I am unfamiliar with Ubuntu's packaging system. (I am coming over from Gentoo). The 7.04 installation had the rt2x00 drivers pre-installed off of the disk, which is great, but after upgrading to 7.10 the package dissapeared and my internet connection is gone.
[10:45] <Symian> ifconfig reports no wireless device.
[10:46] <scizzo-> Symian: is the card at all listed=
[10:46] <scizzo-> Symian: in lspci or something?
[10:46] <scizzo-> Symian: also check dmesg for errors
[10:46] <Symian> It's a usb card, but yes, it is.
[10:46] <Symian> So, my question is just: can I install the rt2x00 package straight from the CD?
[10:47] <Symian> I'm probably 70% sure that all I need to do is isntall the rt2x00 package
[10:47] <Symian> but I can't, since I do not have a net conneciton.
[10:47] <Symian> But logically the package has to be on the CD
[10:48] <scizzo-> you can always check on the CD
[10:48] <Symian> That's what I'm trying to do.
[10:49] <Symian> I want to install the package from the disk, but this is my first, like, four hours in using Ubuntu (which has otherwise been very nice, by the way!)
[10:49] <Symian> But I'm not sure how to get the package manager to stop trying to use the internet.
[10:49] <scizzo-> I can give you a quick help
[10:50] <scizzo-> how the system works
[10:50] <scizzo-> the manager uses mirrors which can be internet links or even a locla media
[10:50] <scizzo-> local
[10:50] <Symian> right
[10:51] <scizzo-> the mirrors/media is listed in the sources.list file located in /etc/apt/
[10:51] <scizzo-> this file contains lines like: deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[10:51] <scizzo-> and so on
[10:51] <Symian> Right
[10:51] <Symian> I have two entries
[10:51] <Symian> the deb cdrom
[10:51] <Symian> (Feisty Fawn)
[10:51] <scizzo-> yes
[10:51] <Symian> and the gutsy main universe restricted and multiverse server
[10:52] <scizzo-> those indicate to look into the CD for the packages
[10:52] <Symian> Should I just, like, remove the internet line?
[10:52] <scizzo-> what you can do is the following: cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.backup
[10:52] <scizzo-> and then remove all the lines except the ones that indicate to look into the CD
[10:53] <scizzo-> after you have a backup and then only use the CD path
[10:53] <scizzo-> you then need to "refresh" sort of...with apt-get update
[10:53] <scizzo-> so you run: sudo apt-get update
[10:53] <scizzo-> and then it should only look at the CDrom
[10:54] <scizzo-> then you can use: apt-cache search something
[10:54] <Symian> it gets an error
[10:54] <scizzo-> to search in the CD
[10:54] <Symian> "please use apt-cdrom to make this cd-rom recognized by APT)
[10:54] <Symian> I'll just do that, then?
[10:54] <scizzo-> yeah
[10:55] <scizzo-> there are other ways to go around this but I am not _that_ into the apt system
[10:55] <Symian> That generated, like, 2000 errors.
[10:55] <scizzo-> hmmm
[10:55] <Symian> Hash mismatches
[10:55] <scizzo-> what kind of error?
[10:55] <scizzo-> o.O
[10:55] <Symian> 3 lines each
[10:55] <wabid> what does this mean "Checking for Xgl: not present. "
[10:55] <Symian> Bad file descriptor
[10:55] <scizzo-> wabid: that you are not using xgl
[10:56] <scizzo-> wabid: or the app you try to start is not finding xgl
[10:56] <wabid> if i have the ati driver installed am i using xgl
[10:56] <scizzo-> Symian: hmmm....and the CD is in the tray?
[10:56] <scizzo-> !xserver-xgl
[10:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xgl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <scizzo-> wabid: xgl is another xserver
[10:57] <Symian> scizzo, yup
[10:57] <wabid> it says "No whitelisted driver found"
[10:57] <wabid> i have the ati driver from the restricted repository
[10:57] <scizzo-> wabid: search for xserver-aiglx
[10:58] <scizzo-> wabid: search for xserver-aixgl or something like that
[10:58] <scizzo-> Symian: strange
[10:59] <scizzo-> Symian: its not really reading the CD?
[10:59] <wabid> think xserver-xgl will work?
[10:59] <Symian> scizzo - it is. I can browse the files and everything.
[11:00] <Symian> scizzo - is there a way to just, you know, transfer the needed files?
[11:00] <scizzo-> Symian: its the apt-cdrom stuff that gives errors?
[11:00] <Symian> I could download the files on this computer, and use a usb thumbdrive to move the files over.
[11:01] <scizzo-> Symian: yeah
[11:01] <Symian> scizzo-, how would I locate the correct files, and where would I put them?
[11:02] <scizzo-> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+search?text=rt2
[11:02] <scizzo-> Symian: launchpad is your ubuntu friend.. :D
[11:02] <Symian> Yes, I see that! Where can I find the exact file I need?
[11:03] <scizzo-> Symian: well now...that my friend is a good question
[11:03] <scizzo-> Symian: I guess that you have to look into the package to know
[11:04] <scizzo-> Symian: I haven't used those packages so can't tell you much really
[11:04] <Symian> *laughs* This is frustrating since I know *exactly* how to do this using gentoo's portage system.
[11:04] <Symian> But I just couldn't stand to keep using gentoo's portage system, since I had do to this stuff all the time.
[11:04] <Symian> heheh
[11:05] <scizzo-> Symian: well thing is......no one here have heard what exactly is the error with your card either from dmesg or lspci or even in other logs... :P
[11:05] <Symian> Mm. Let me give you a quick run-through
[11:05] <scizzo-> even though I wanted to know that before... ;)
[11:05] <Symian> my wireless card uses the rt73usb driver
[11:05] <Symian> this is added in the package rt2x00 package
[11:05] <Symian> 7.04 had that package
[11:05] <Symian> and had that driver.
[11:06] <Symian> When I used update-manager -c -d, the package went away.
[11:06] <scizzo-> well in the manager it also tells you if anything replaces it
[11:06] <scizzo-> Symian: you can always run: dpkg -l | grep rt2
[11:06] <cowbud> Symian: you mean like: rt2x00-source - RT2x00 wireless network drivers source
[11:06] <cowbud> I seem to have that package
[11:07] <cowbud> apt-cache search ^rt2
[11:07] <scizzo-> cowbud: ummm.....that is the source package...
[11:07] <scizzo-> cowbud: apt-cache show rt2x00-source
[11:07] <cowbud> yeah install it compile it and there ya go
[11:09] <Symian> ummm
[11:09] <Symian> what's happening
[11:09] <Symian> woh
[11:09] <Symian> Suddenly rt2x00 is not being found
[11:09] <Symian> either by CLI or GUI
[11:09] <Symian> rt2x00-source, or anything
[11:10] <cowbud> well we can see it so maybe you didn't setup your sources correctly?
[11:10] <scizzo-> cowbud: well he does not have internet connection...?
[11:10] <cowbud> scizzo-: and you know this how?
[11:11] <Symian> Ok, let's assume that's the case - how can I set up my sources correctly?
[11:11] <scizzo-> cowbud: he told me..
[11:11] <Symian> cowbud, because I told him.
[11:11] <cowbud> ah hah
[11:11] <scizzo-> cowbud: didn't get the morning coffee? :D
[11:11] <cowbud> and the laptop or whatever you have has no nic ?
[11:11] <cowbud> scizzo-: huh
[11:12] <cowbud> without a network connection you aren't going to be able to fix it
[11:12] <Symian> *facedesk*
[11:12] <Symian> Ok, so, here's the thing
[11:12] <Symian> logically, this CD I am holding HAS to have this package.
[11:12] <cowbud> you can see if you have it in /var/cache/apt/archive
[11:12] <Symian> I *just* installed 7.04, and before it even touched the internet I already had the rt2x00 package
[11:12] <Symian> Then the very next thing I did was upgrade to 7.10
[11:12] <Symian> and poof! The package was gone
[11:12] <cowbud> Symian: when you upgrade kernels the modules don't come with it
[11:13] <cowbud> so if you updated to 7.10 and it does things differently like make you install the source then it is quite possible you lost it
[11:13] <Symian> I understand that, having compiled kernels by hand before. But, how do I now install the modules?
[11:13] <cowbud> do you still have the kernels from 7.04?
[11:13] <cowbud> if so boot to that
[11:14] <Symian> No.
[11:14] <Symian> Grub shows several entries.
[11:14] <Symian> All are gutsy.
[11:14] <Symian> It appears to have clobbered the old kernel
[11:14] <cowbud> Symian: are you doing what big daddy said or what?
[11:15] <zetheroo> when will Ubuntu have the new ATI opensource drivers?
[11:15] <cowbud> Symian: do a ls /var/cache/apt/archive | grep r2
[11:15] <Symian> cowbud - I'm fairly certain what he says will fail, but as soon as the reboot completes I'll be trying it.
[11:15] <Symian> k, just a sec.
[11:16] <minimec> zetheroo: I would wait a moment. It seems that AMD will bring out restricted Drivers wirth aiglx support at the end of october.
[11:16] <cowbud> Symian: you can also look on the old CD you have to see if it has r2x00* on it
[11:16] <Symian> cowbud
[11:16] <zetheroo> minimec: thats a bit late.... OpenSUSE and others are already using the latest drivers
[11:16] <Symian> I have no /var/cache/apt/archive
[11:17] <Symian> I have a /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:17] <Symian> that... has no positive results
[11:17] <Symian> on a grep rt2
[11:17] <Symian> Well, it has... 4. All false positives.
[11:17] <cowbud> so look on the cd you have then
[11:17] <minimec> zetheroo: Yeah, but the drivers you talk about, don't have aiglx support, only xgl.
[11:17] <Symian> cowbud, that's what I've been trying to do.
[11:17] <Symian> And no one seems to know how to do that.
[11:17] <scizzo-> Symian: maybe copy back the sources.list file that we backedup before?
[11:17] <Symian> scizzo-, did that already.
[11:18] <cowbud> uh put the CD into the computer it should have packages on it
[11:18] <zetheroo> minimec: oh? this I know nothing about.... what better?
[11:18] <Symian> cowbud, ok, the cd is in the drive. Now what? I've added it as a repository, no luck.
[11:18] <cowbud> scizzo-: if he has no internet connection what good will that do him?
[11:18] <minimec> zetheroo: Well ... Ubuntu is designed to use aiglx as default.
[11:18] <cowbud> Symian: how about going into the mounted directory and using find
[11:19] <Symian> cowbud, no results
[11:19] <Symian> I imagine it's archived
[11:19] <cowbud> and this is a 7.04 image?
[11:19] <Symian> Yes.
[11:19] <zetheroo> minimec: so you rekon that sometime in October Ubuntu will have the new OS drivers?..... is there any documentation on this topic?
[11:19] <cowbud> Symian: did you look in the pool directory?
[11:20] <Symian> cowbud, two subdirs: main and restricted. Browsing now.
[11:20] <cowbud> it isn't on the CD
[11:20] <Symian> pool on what, then?
[11:20] <cowbud> what?
[11:21] <minimec> zetheroo: I guess, that there is a chance, that gusty will come with this new version of drivers. If this is not the case, then you will soon see a 'private repo', where you will find dome deb- packages with the new driver.
[11:21] <Symian> cowbud, we must have fallen out of synch. Let me rephrase my question: "How do I install a package from the 7.04 livecd?"
[11:21] <cowbud> Symian: Let me phrase a question for you what do you want to install
[11:21] <Symian> rt2x00-source
[11:21] <cowbud> Ok
[11:22] <cowbud> let me repeat what I said before hand
[11:22] <cowbud> it doesn't exist on the CD
[11:22] <Symian> cowbud, it logically must
[11:22] <cowbud> no
[11:22] <cowbud> it doesn't have to
[11:22] <Symian> as it was installed when I installed 7.04, before ever connecting to the internet.
[11:22] <cowbud> logically it can also be a binary that was once distributed with the kernel
[11:22] <cowbud> which no longer is
[11:22] <minimec> zetheroo: For doc: Try to look for the net using keywords 'fglrx' in combunation with 'aiglx'
[11:22] <cowbud> Symian: go to the cmd line and type modprobe -l | grep rt2x
[11:23] <Symian> cowbud, ahah! Several positives!
[11:23] <Symian> Shall I modprobe them in?
[11:23] <cowbud> so it is still distributed with the kernel
[11:23] <cowbud> which did you use? Do you remember?
[11:23] <cowbud> what kind of card do you have?
[11:23] <Symian> yes
[11:23] <Symian> I know this very well
[11:23] <Symian> I use... rt2500pci.ko
[11:23] <cowbud> ok well modprobe it and see if iwconfig returns something
[11:24] <Symian> rt73usb.ko
[11:24] <Symian> and both depend on rt2x00lib.jo
[11:24] <cowbud> modprobe them
[11:24] <Symian> Can I modprobe one of the end ones and it will chain-load them?
[11:24] <Symian> Or do I need to modprobe them all?
[11:24] <cowbud> yes to the former
[11:24] <zetheroo> minimec: I just want to be able to use compiz-fusion without having to make a seperate seesion for XGL.... thats really old-hat!
[11:24] <Symian> WOOO!
[11:25] <Symian> wait
[11:25] <zetheroo> minimec: and its very problematic as well... and never works well
[11:25] <Symian> No. No devices added.
[11:25] <RAOF> zetheroo: "apt-get install xserver-xgl"
[11:25] <RAOF> zetheroo: It now JustWorks
[11:25] <cowbud> look at dmesg and see what it says?
[11:25] <Symian> uhhh... stuff from a long time ago.
[11:25] <zetheroo> RAOF: why would it work now?
[11:25] <Symian> soem mod load lines from boot time
[11:25] <Symian> some*
[11:25] <minimec> zetheroo: I do understand you. I have that privilege using some old 'radeons'. They work with the opensource driver out of the box.
[11:25] <RAOF> zetheroo: Because it now gets auto started?
[11:26] <cowbud> so try modprobing all of the modules and see what happens
[11:26] <zetheroo> RAOF: what card are you working with?
[11:27] <Symian> cowbud, nothing. Do I need to do something after modprobing?
[11:27] <Symian> Oh, wait!
[11:27] <Symian> dmesg got a new one
[11:27] <cowbud> ?
[11:27] <cowbud> and iwconfig
[11:27] <Symian> "usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2500usb"
[11:27] <Symian> No.
[11:27] <Symian> No new interfaces.
[11:27] <cowbud> does it list an interface at all ?
[11:27] <Symian> And I don't use rt2500usb. Nominally.
[11:27] <zetheroo> RAOF: I am working with an ATI Radeon Mobility X1400
[11:27] <Symian> yes, my eth0 NIC. Which is not being used.
[11:28] <cowbud> well have you gone through all of the drivers?
[11:28] <Symian> Yes.
[11:28] <Symian> :-\
[11:28] <Symian> Is there some other step, perhaps? After modprobe?
[11:28] <cowbud> and this is a usb wireless card?
[11:28] <Symian> Well, see, I have 2 wireless cards, one USB and one PCI. One of them uses rt2500pci.ko
[11:28] <zetheroo> RAOF: you there?
[11:28] <RAOF> zetheroo: Yes.
[11:28] <Symian> the other uses rt73usb.ko
[11:29] <cowbud> and when you modprobe either of those it doesn't work?
[11:29] <Symian> Yes.
[11:29] <RAOF> zetheroo: So, after installing fglrx you should be able to just install xserver-xgl, and everything should just work.
[11:29] <cowbud> well i'd say submit a bug and hope it gets fixed
[11:29] <Symian> :-\ Ok, thanks for all the help.
[11:29] <Symian> How do I downgrade to 7.04?
[11:29] <Symian> Should I just re-install?
[11:29] <cowbud> yeah
[11:29] <Symian> Okey doke. hey, Cowbud, scizzo-
[11:29] <Symian> Thanks so much.
[11:29] <Symian> Very helpful.
[11:29] <cowbud> sorry we couldn't get the card up
[11:30] <Symian> Where should I submit a report?
[11:30] <cowbud> Symian: bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:30] <Symian> *nod* That's fine, it happens. Hell, Ubuntu got me WAY farther than gentoo ever did - it had the rt2x00 package in the first place.
[11:30] <Symian> Thanks!
[11:30] <Symian> Will do. Goodnight.
[11:30] <zetheroo> RAOF: but do I have to create a whole new seesion for XGL? -- what card are you working with?
[11:30] <RAOF> zetheroo: No, you don't have to create a new session.  It will just work the next time you log in.  I use an nvidia card.
[11:31] <zetheroo> RAOF: So you have not tested this on an ATI X1*00 card?
[11:32] <RAOF> zetheroo: No, but many many other people have.
[11:32] <RAOF> zetheroo: If the fglrx drivers work, so will Xgl.
[11:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Is anyone using kvm_intel having failures with !mmio_needed recently?
[11:33] <zetheroo> RAOF: see, unless something very recently changed (as in the last week) it will not work
[11:33] <RAOF> IntuitiveNipple: Bah!  You couldn't have filed this bug a couple of weeks ago? :)
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Well, is it known then? I only encountered it for the 1st time today
[11:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I assumed it was the kernel updates
[11:34] <zetheroo> RAOF: I am using the fglrx driver presently
[11:34] <RAOF> IntuitiveNipple: Then I could have seen if the new upstream version in debian fixes it, and requested a UVFe :)
[11:34] <RAOF> zetheroo: And you have 3D workning fine?
[11:34] <RAOF> zetheroo: Because I've fixed that Xgl problem you may have hit.
[11:35] <zetheroo> RAOF: I cannot use Beryl or compiz-fusion
[11:35] <RAOF> zetheroo: How did you install fglrx?
[11:35] <zetheroo> RAOF: I have tried MANY How-To's etc....
[11:36] <zetheroo> RAOF: I did not install it
[11:36] <zetheroo> RAOF: it comes with Ubuntu
[11:36] <zetheroo> RAOF: I enabled the restricted drivers
[11:36] <RAOF> zetheroo: Right.  What does "glxinfo | grep -i vendor" return?
[11:37] <zetheroo> zeth@T60-Ubuntu:~$ glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[11:37] <zetheroo> server glx vendor string: SGI
[11:37] <zetheroo> client glx vendor string: ATI
[11:37] <zetheroo> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[11:38] <zetheroo> RAOF: do you see it?
[11:38] <RAOF> zetheroo: Hm.  I think that SGI bit is a problem.
[11:38] <RAOF> zetheroo: What does running "pgrep Xgl" return?
[11:39] <zetheroo> nothing
[11:39] <RAOF> Mm.
[11:39] <zetheroo> I don't think I have xgl installed
[11:39] <RAOF> So, what happens when you install Xgl?
[11:40] <zetheroo> becasue it was not working
[11:42] <zetheroo> RAOF: you still there?
[11:42] <RAOF> zetheroo: Yes.
[11:42] <RAOF> I was wondering what happens when you install xserver-xgl.
[11:42] <zetheroo> I am really worried to install that again
[11:43] <zetheroo> last time I did all that stuff.... I had to actually redo my machine...
[11:43] <zetheroo> it was such a mess
[11:43] <scizzo-> anyone using dual monitors with xgl and so on here?
[11:44] <RAOF> zetheroo: You shouldn't have to.  Worst case you'd need to create a file ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[11:44] <zetheroo> RAOF: hmmm
[11:44] <minimec> zetheroo: I did some tests on gusty switching from the xorg driver to fgrlx and back again with a radeon mobility 9600. Works quiet good. No configuration needed.
[11:45] <scizzo-> it seems that after installing xserver-xgl the panels are actually being moved to fit the whole area of both screens is there anyway to actually get to panels to be on the 1 screen?
[11:45] <zetheroo> minimec: running compiz-fusion?
[11:45] <scizzo-> that is to use the right of stuff from xorg.conf files....
[11:45] <minimec> zetheroo: Not on xgl.
[11:46] <zetheroo> minimec: I am really not getting all this.... sorry... ppl have tried to explain it to me so many times that now I am totally confused.....
[11:46] <zetheroo> minimec: what is the Rad Mobility 9600?
[11:46] <zetheroo> compared to my X1400?
[11:47] <RAOF> zetheroo: You can't use the radeon driver, your card is too new.
[11:47] <zetheroo> RAOF: I know....
[11:48] <zetheroo> RAOF: thats why I was wondering if the new ATI OS drivers were available to Ubuntu users?!?
[11:48] <RAOF> zetheroo: No, and they're not out yet.
[11:48] <zetheroo> OpenSUSE and other distros are already using them
[11:48] <minimec> zetheroo: This is a quiet old radeon (RV250). The opensource driver runs quiet good, but you can also use the fgrlx driver.
[11:48] <sobersabre> hi.
[11:49] <sobersabre> Where can I see translation status of languages in gutsy ?
[11:49] <zetheroo> minimec: so Gutsy may work for me in this case!?
[11:50] <zetheroo> but not for certain...?
[11:50] <minimec> zetheroo: your X1400 probably needs the fgrlx driver for compiz and until the end of october amd will only support compiz with xgl. As RAOF said, the xgl-configuration shouldn't be so hard...
[11:50] <zetheroo> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Open_Source_Driver_for_ATI_Radeon_R5xx_R6xx
[11:51] <zetheroo> minimec: the configuration is not hard..... just very unstable and basically rubbish to work with...
[11:51] <sobersabre> guys. please help me with finding status of translation. where can I see it ?
[11:52] <RAOF> zetheroo: That open source driver won't be ready for a year or so.
[11:52] <zetheroo> sobersabre: sorry ... I dunno.... I am not ignoring you...
[11:52] <zetheroo> RAOF: WHAT?
[11:52] <zetheroo> RAOF: why not?
[11:53] <RAOF> zetheroo: Because they've just opened the specs.  People still need to actually write the driver.  This is hard, as fglrx makes plain :)
[11:53] <minimec> zetheroo: When the new driver is out, I will probably use it because I heard that it has a much better performance...
[11:54] <zetheroo> RAOF: yeah.... so OPENSUSE and those other guys can do it in like a week ...? and for Ubuntu it will take a YEAR!?!?
[11:54] <RAOF> zetheroo: OpenSUSE has a skeleton 2d driver.  You can certainly do that in a week.
[11:55] <zetheroo> minimec: Well for old cards like yours there is no problem.... I have 3 older ATI cards and they all work with the OS drivers available in the past.... beryl and all...
[11:55] <RAOF> zetheroo: Also, I *think* that skeleton driver is in Gutsy now.  It doesn't do 3d, though.
[11:56] <minimec> zetheroo: Yeah, that is true, but the new fgrlx driver will work with my Radeon 9600 Mobility with new 3D performance... ;)
[11:57] <zetheroo> RAOF   minimec  :  its a sad day for me and my kind.....
[11:57] <nanonyme> zetheroo, don't worry, it probably takes a few years for debian
[11:57] <zetheroo> nanonyme: thats not even slightly encouraging...
[11:57] <zetheroo>  :'(
[11:58] <nanonyme> heh, maybe ubuntu+2 will get it
[11:58] <minimec> zetheroo: Just another month to wait. You will handle that, I guess. We ATI users were waiting for years, so one month woun't kill me...;)
[11:58] <RAOF> It'll be better in Hardy, and may even be the standard driver in Hardy+1.
[11:59] <nanonyme> wasn't the AMD announcement just for old cards, mostly? that is, specs opened for ancient already reverse-engineered cards and then a 2d framework driver? :P
[11:59] <zetheroo> minimec: I am so disapointed becasue I bought this new laptop with great specs and a great graphic card... and I can't even run beryl and its relations....
[12:00] <zetheroo> nanonyme: just the opposite! It was for the new cards!
[12:00] <sobersabre> zetheroo: thanks. I've found it.
[12:00] <RAOF> nanonyme: No, the other way around.  It's actually only for really new cards.
[12:00] <RAOF> zetheroo: I'm not sure if your card is new enough, anyway :)
[12:00] <nanonyme> RAOF, got a link to the original announcement?
[12:00] <minimec> zetheroo: As I said. 1 month will not kill you. And then you will have the driver you want.
[12:00] <RAOF> Nah, actually.
[12:01] <nanonyme> a friend read it and made the conclusion i just said
[12:01] <nanonyme> marketing trick
[12:01] <zetheroo> minimec: well if that true ... then I can wait
[12:01] <nanonyme> i don't know ati models well enough to say anything about it
[12:01] <Eq|work> nanonyme : except that if it /was/ for old cards, it would backfire on them
[12:01] <zetheroo> nanonyme: wrong conclusion -- your friend need to do his research.... tee hee
[12:01] <minimec> zetheroo: That's what I have heard...
[12:02] <Eq|work> they're trying to attract customers, not drive them away
[12:02] <zetheroo> nanonyme: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/12/1747202&from=rss
[12:03] <zetheroo> nanonyme: the R500/R600 are the X1*00 cards
[12:03] <scizzo-> zetheroo: I have a geforce 8800GTS that is not working correctly in ubuntu really...so you are not alone with having to wait a bit for good drivers to the cards...
[12:03] <nanonyme> ah
[12:04] <zetheroo> scizzo-: but thats a NVIDIA card... right?
[12:04] <zetheroo> scizzo-: I thought they were sorted out?!?
[12:04] <nanonyme> heh, might be intel vs. amd on GPU market eventually unless nvidia releases specs too...
[12:05] <scizzo-> zetheroo: nothing will be 100%
[12:05] <zetheroo> scizzo-: I suppose
[12:06] <scizzo-> zetheroo: I have performance issues but I am not complaining...the map for when gutsy and the packages are being freezed is nothing that anyone really can control....
[12:06] <scizzo-> zetheroo: I am guessing that in about 2-3 months with this machine and updates from nvidia then yeah it will be working nicely...
[12:06] <zetheroo> scizzo-: being freezed? please explain...
[12:06] <scizzo-> zetheroo: however the development of linux drivers are different
[12:07] <scizzo-> zetheroo: freezing means that they wont take on new version of the packages.....instead aims to get it to work stable and being able to make a release on what they have
[12:07] <zetheroo> I see
[12:08] <scizzo-> but most of the time people have a external source to get the driver for the card anyway
[12:09] <nanonyme> heh
[12:09] <zetheroo> scizzo-: is that so?
[12:09] <scizzo-> zetheroo: yep
[12:10] <minimec> zetheroo: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=833&num=1
[12:10] <zetheroo> yeah... read that one
[12:10] <nanonyme> btw, is ubuntu+2 the so-called hardy?
[12:10] <minimec> zetheroo: <ctrl>f This driver does
[12:10] <zetheroo> does what?
[12:11] <minimec> zetheroo: Does confirm you, that the new driver will come next month ;)
[12:11] <zetheroo> gulp... maybe I should read it again... heh
[12:13] <scizzo-> "This driver does not support AIGLX for Beryl or Compiz, but that support will finally arrive next month with fglrx 8.42. Linux 2.6.23 kernel support for the fglrx driver will hopefully arrive next month as well."
[12:13] <zetheroo> I just wonder if Ubuntu Gutsy will include all this newness!?
[12:13] <nanonyme> heh, too bad xorg-7.3 is not guaranteed to work with fglrx ^^
[12:14] <scizzo-> zetheroo: I don't belive that the 2.6.23 kernel will be in gutsy at the moment
[12:14] <nanonyme> that is, it's not supported
[12:14] <scizzo-> zetheroo: mostly for the fact of it being a development kernel
[12:15] <zetheroo> scizzo-: i see..... well could one manually update his kernel?
[12:15] <scizzo-> zetheroo: yes
[12:15] <scizzo-> zetheroo: ubuntu is not stoping you from anything
[12:15] <scizzo-> zetheroo: they make the standard release and then its up to you if you want to change anything
[12:16] <zetheroo> scizzo-: right!.... but I suppose it would really be at ones own risk ...
[12:16] <nanonyme> scizzo-, then again, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=821&num=2 claims that the new fglrx doesn't work with 2.6.23
[12:16] <scizzo-> zetheroo: yes
[12:17] <scizzo-> nanonyme: loads of patching and so on until it finally works then... :P
[12:17] <nanonyme> that is, the driver should work fine with gutsy...
[12:17] <nanonyme> considering it only works with the kernel we have ;P
[12:18] <scizzo-> nanonyme: true
[12:19] <scizzo-> IMO its hard to see how far they get with 2.6.23 and so on before the final gutsy release though
[12:19] <scizzo-> but I think that the 2.6.23 also has the...ummm....CFS schedular thingy?
[12:20] <nanonyme> yeah, we'll see
[12:24] <nanonyme> 7t
[12:24] <nanonyme> oops
[12:29] <zetheroo> how can I know if XGL is running?
[12:29] <zetheroo> is there a command for the terminal?
[12:32] <zetheroo> hello?
[12:33] <minimec> zetheroo: glxinfo glxgears
[12:34] <nanonyme> glxgears isn't very reliable though considering it can - as far as i've heard - also run on software rendering... you usually want hardware :)
[12:34] <void^> just check if it's running.. ps aux | grep -i xgl
[12:34] <nanonyme> nice
[12:34] <zetheroo> zeth@T60-Ubuntu:~$ aux | grep -i xgl
[12:34] <zetheroo> bash: aux: command not found
[12:35] <zetheroo> zeth@T60-Ubuntu:~$ ps aux | grep -i xgl
[12:35] <zetheroo> zeth     17650  0.0  0.0   2896   832 pts/0    S+   20:35   0:00 grep -i xgl
[12:37] <zetheroo> whats all that mean?
[12:37] <void^> no xgl running
[12:37] <zetheroo> great...
[12:38] <Xero> void^, it's Xgl, not xgl. Case sensitivity sucks.
[12:38] <zetheroo> so.... does that mean I should do something else?
[12:38] <crdlb> Xero, -i :)
[12:38] <void^> grep -i neatly takes care of that
[12:39] <zetheroo> takes care of what?-- the capitalization?
[12:39] <_Thelonius_> hey! Does anyone have experience with beryl on gutsy?
[12:40] <_Thelonius_> i cannot run compiz sinnce i have a blacklisted graphics card (intel gm965)
[12:40] <zetheroo> _Thelonius_  : what makes you think you can run beryl then?
[12:40] <_Thelonius_> i did run it on debian before
[12:40] <_Thelonius_> worked fine
[12:40] <zetheroo> cool
[12:40] <_Thelonius_> in fact i am on debian right now and beryl runs smoothly
[12:41] <crdlb> the i965 is just blacklisted because Xv video doesn't work
[12:41] <_Thelonius_> well, how do i use it then?
[12:42] <_Thelonius_> i already tried to turn of video in compiz and switched of the check on compiz
[12:42] <_Thelonius_> but still whole bunch of plugins run weirdly
[12:42] <_Thelonius_> and will the video be fixed any time soon?
[12:43] <_Thelonius_> cause i would really like to be able to watch videos without always turning compiz on and off
[12:43] <_Thelonius_> therefor i looked into beryl
[12:54] <zetheroo> how can I tell in the terminal what driver my graphic card is using?
[12:56] <zetheroo> how can I tell in the terminal what driver my graphic card is using?
[12:57] <zetheroo> hello?
[12:59] <albert23> zetheroo: try grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:00] <zetheroo> well it says that its using the fglrx driver.... but I had this before  and it was actually using the VESA driver
[01:00] <zetheroo> there is another command that tells you about the OpenGL and all
[01:00] <zetheroo> but I forget it ..
[01:01] <void^> to be safe, read /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:01] <IntuitiveNipple> glxinfo (fglxinfo) ?
[01:02] <zetheroo> why do I get this:
[01:02] <zetheroo> server glx vendor string: SGI
[01:02] <zetheroo> shouldn't it be XGL or something?
[01:03] <IntuitiveNipple> search further down, for OpenGL
[01:03] <zetheroo> I made a new seesion for XGL to run on .... and it seems to be working ... all the desktop effects etc..... but the performance of anything (like glxgears) fullscreen is deplorable
[01:04] <IntuitiveNipple> I find you need a combination of the two to work out which drivers should/are being used
[01:04] <IntuitiveNipple> that SGI is mesa, I seem to recall
[01:04] <zetheroo> NOOOOOOO
[01:04] <zetheroo> not MESA!!!
[01:04] <zetheroo> why.. oh why
[01:04] <zetheroo> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[01:04] <zetheroo> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
[01:04] <zetheroo> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.0.6334 (8.34.8))
[01:05] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, so you need to enable glx :)
[01:05] <zetheroo> how....? and why is it not on the Ubuntu How-To?
[01:06] <void^> eh.. if you beryl/compiz wobblystuff works fine then it's working as expected
[01:06] <void^> *your
[01:06] <zetheroo> but my screensavers run horribly
[01:06] <zetheroo> and I am not using any hectic ones
[01:06] <zetheroo> just the default ones that come with Ubuntu
[01:06] <void^> xgl has a tendency to mess up opengl
[01:08] <zetheroo> ok...
[01:08] <zetheroo> well I am going to test out Compiz-fuzion now
[01:08] <zetheroo> gulp
[01:25] <zetheroo> I installed compiz-fusion ... but now I got no window borders
[01:27] <SoulChild> HI all ,... What is the default resouloution for fonts, can someone check please in "System"->"Settings"->"Apperance"->"Fonts"->"Details" ?
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> zetheroo: Enable "window decorations"
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> SoulChild: dpi = 96
[01:28] <SoulChild> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[01:28] <void^> dpi depends on your monitor's size and resolution
[01:29] <zetheroo> IntuitiveNipple: where ? How?..... I am looking at the Compiz manager.... under Window Managment
[01:29] <IntuitiveNipple> zetheroo: Effects
[01:33] <nimra987> hey, i can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere... but on the ubuntu Launchpad there was a milestone for Ubuntu 6.06.2 due on 2007-09-21, which is overdue as a downloadable release... isn't it?
[01:33] <nimra987> can i download Ubuntu 6.06.2 as an iso image?
[01:35] <gnomefreak> nimra987: not yet
[01:37] <nimra987> ok, thanks
[01:39] <gnomefreak> nimra987: if i had to gues the soonest would be friday but since everyone is rushing around to get gutsy beta out by friday its anyones guess on the dapper point release
[01:57] <m1r> hi all
[02:02] <m1r> on alternate cd install i got  option to install grub2 , but it wouldnt install. then i went back for grub , which also failed , and at the end i was left with option only to install lilo. also none of the grub detected "tiny XP" install which now i dont get an option to boot to. should i try reinstall grub over lilo to fix this ?
[02:04] <unggnu> hi
[02:05] <unggnu> anybody have problems with Gutsy and clicking noises?
[02:05] <unggnu> especially if there are basses?
[02:06] <unggnu> oh, it seems that rhythmbox is the bad one
[02:07] <contrast83> unggnu: i haven't used rhythmbox, but you might try checking to see if it can use a different output engine
[02:08] <Amaranth> unggnu: oh oh
[02:08] <unggnu> contrast83, Thanks, the bug is already known https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/116990
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116990 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox sound problems (clicking/snapping/crackling) when not using crossfading backend" [High,Triaged]
[02:08] <Amaranth> unggnu: turn on crossfading
[02:08] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:08] <Amaranth> just set the crossfade to 0 so it doesn't actually do anything
[02:08] <Amaranth> it just needs to be in the pipeline
[02:09] <unggnu> works :)
[02:09] <unggnu> fascinating
[02:10] <unggnu> Only the intel graphic driver crash bugs have to been fixed than Gutsy is so great :)
[02:10] <Amaranth> intel graphics driver crash bugs?
[02:10] <Amaranth> bug #?
[02:11] <unggnu> one second
[02:12] <unggnu> Amaranth, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/127101
[02:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127101 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "laptop hangs when switching video mode" [Unknown,In progress]
[02:13] <unggnu> and at least for me this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/141063
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New]
[02:13] <unggnu> It would be great if somebody with intel graphic and working suspend can confirm the last one.
[02:13] <ReL1K> yea, i dont put my computer in suspent wouldn't know
[02:13] <ReL1K> suspend even
[02:14] <ReL1K> got a t61 with intel video card
[02:14] <unggnu> ReL1K, Suspend should work for IBM/Lenovo
[02:14] <ReL1K> i know a couple weeks ago when resuming on a screensaver it would freeze, removed the screensaver and went with a blank one, worked fine
[02:14] <ReL1K> nice
[02:14] <ReL1K> i noticed compiz is working without the little white lines on everything, looks preeeety
[02:15] <unggnu> Yeah, compiz works great finally.
[02:15] <unggnu> Only the crashes of intel driver is annoying :)
[02:15] <ReL1K> mines been pretty stable
[02:15] <ReL1K> had to comment out some stuff in my compiz conf file though
[02:15] <unggnu> ReL1K, i810 or intel driver?
[02:16] <ReL1K> intel driver
[02:16] <ReL1K> i got the gm965
[02:16] <unggnu> 1) Watch a video in totem
[02:16] <unggnu> 2) Switch to vty1
[02:16] <unggnu> 3) Observe it lock up or repeat 1 and 2 until it does
[02:16] <ReL1K> yea, totem doesn't work
[02:16] <ReL1K> use vlc or mplayer
[02:16] <ReL1K> those work fine
[02:16] <unggnu> ReL1K, Oh, so you can't use xv?
[02:16] <unggnu> with compiz
[02:16] <ReL1K> nope
[02:17] <ReL1K> at least as of 2 days ago i couldn't
[02:17] <unggnu> But without xv I guess.
[02:17] <ReL1K> i updated this morning haven't checked
[02:17] <ReL1K> afk sec
[02:17] <unggnu> Vlc automatically changes to software video output.
[02:19] <ReL1K> hey nice blue screen in virtualbox hehe
[02:20] <unggnu> Intel driver in Virtual Box?
[02:20] <ReL1K> anyone know how to copy and paste between terminal server client?
[02:20] <ReL1K> unggnu yea, virtualbox works fine
[02:20] <ReL1K> well except for the bsod
[02:20] <unggnu> Intel graphic driver and Virtualbox?
[02:21] <unggnu> Makes no sense for me since everything is emulated afaik.
[02:22] <ReL1K> Are you asking if VirtualBox is using my intel drivers for display? The answer would be no, it is emulated. If you are asking do I have an intel video chipset and using VirtualBox, the answer would be yes,.
[02:22] <unggnu> first one
[02:22] <ReL1K> Gotchya, no it uses emulation
[02:32] <LjL> has anybody tried upgrading to Gutsy using do-release-upgrade? is that the recommended way (as much as upgrading to an unstable version can be recommended)? for me, it just quits without saying anything after fetching the packages
[02:32] <contrast83> Has anyone here ever used Splashy?
[02:33] <DamienCassou> hi, I've a problem installing Gutsy
[02:33] <DamienCassou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/144207
[02:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144207 in debian-installer "gusty installation failed with "Hash Sum mismatch"" [Undecided,New]
[02:33] <DamienCassou> can somebody help me please?
[02:36] <DamienCassou> is there anybody out there?
[02:37] <gnomefreak> DamienCassou: its a known issue they are working on
[02:37] <DamienCassou> how do you know it is known?
[02:37] <DamienCassou> where can I follow the progress?
[02:38] <DamienCassou> gnomefreak: I forgot to prefix my answer with your name :-)
[02:40] <gnomefreak> DamienCassou: because i saw the devels talking about it yesterday and some today. its the implemention of the D-I cryptset that is giving issues
[02:40] <gnomefreak> DamienCassou: we are frozen atm so they will have to fix it or remove it sometime this week for beta release.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: more breakage?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: pitti and cjwatson were talking about it this am on the whole encryption issues but i think it was just cryptset that was mucked up, unless fixed while i was at breakfast
[02:42] <gnomefreak> but still wouldnt have ISO for it yet
[02:42] <bhebing> it seems rt2x00 support got broken in the last kernel upgrade
[02:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: -devel?
[02:43] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:43] <gnomefreak> maybe 2 hours ago give or take
[02:43] <bhebing> module rc80211_simple complains about missing symbols
[02:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: probably makes sense to read the entire log anyway
[02:43] <gnomefreak> most likely ;)
[02:45] <bhebing> i upgraded to gutsy yesterday, so my rt61 never worked
[02:45] <bhebing> in older kernels it seems to work though, so this is fairly new
[02:45] <DamienCassou> gnomefreak: thank you very much for the information
[02:46] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: looks like they handled it already but i was gone shortly after they were talking about it
[02:46] <bhebing> can i easily downgrade to 2.6.22-11 or so, just to check that rt61 worked in older kernels?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: fair enough
[02:46] <gnomefreak> bhebing: do you have it in grub?
[02:46] <bhebing> nope
[02:46] <bhebing> only the older feisty kernels
[02:46] <gnomefreak> bhebing: or did you remove it (hint running devel always keep atleast one extra kernel
[02:47] <gnomefreak> bhebing: than use synaptic and install -11
[02:47] <gnomefreak> it should still be there
[02:47] <m1r> i got usb wlan Dlink DWL-G122 rev c1 , just pluged it in and working like charm, +5 ubuntu!!!
[02:47] <bhebing> gnomefreak: problem is, i don't have a network available
[02:47] <bhebing> can i download the package from somewhere and install that?
[02:47] <gnomefreak> bhebing: than yes that will be hard unless you have another pc with a usb stick
[02:48] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:48] <bhebing> oi have
[02:48] <gnomefreak> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <bhebing> ah, thanks
[02:48] <gnomefreak> than just use dpkg to install it but make sure you get all the depends for the packages
[02:49] <m1r> any tips for my grub2/grub problem ?
[02:49] <bhebing> gnomefreak: ok, will do
[02:49] <bhebing> any idea if this is being worked on? it seems more people have the problem now...
[02:50] <gnomefreak> bhebing: last i heard its due to the experimental intel driver but i cant be sure on that
[02:56] <nico__> hello
[02:56] <nico__> anyone in here?
[02:57] <bhebing> gnomefreak: ah, ok.. we'll just wait then. thanks for the help
[02:59] <schallstrom_> hi, i installed gutsy on a thinkpad x60s with 1.66ghz core duo but the cpu is always running on 1 ghz. i want it to run full speed when on ac and min speed on battery. can't find the same prob in ubuntu forums or bug tracker. any hints?
[03:00] <nico__> can anyone tell my where i can find more info about gutsy on the ubuntu website?
[03:01] <schallstrom_> nico__: probably in the wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:03] <nico__> is there gonna be a kickstart like program in Gutsy?
[03:08] <schallstrom_> nico__: whats kickstart?
[03:08] <nico__> apple bootloader like program
[03:09] <nico__> i found out there was gonna be a package like that
[03:09] <schallstrom_> nico__: default bootloader in ubuntu is grub
[03:09] <nico__> i know
[03:09] <rsk> what do you need kickstart for
[03:09] <nico__> but it would make Linux a lot more interesting
[03:10] <nico__> hm, grub does work ok
[03:10] <schallstrom_> i like grub
[03:10] <schallstrom_> anyone here who could help me with cpufreq settings?
[03:11] <nico__> yep, only 1 problem with Grub here, there is still a line in the configuration to make Windows boot
[03:11] <schallstrom_> nico__: ?
[03:11] <schallstrom_> nico__: remove it...
[03:12] <nico__> i want to remove windows but still every time i try another reason to keep windows pops up
[03:12] <hydrogen> so uhhh.. why did gutsy decide to change my kernel to a kernel that doesn't support mutliple cpu's?
[03:12] <nico__> but virtual box full screen works ok, i put virtualbox fullscreen on the left workspace and ubuntu on the right workspace so i can switch
[03:14] <nico__> hm how can i show my current running kernel version
[03:14] <rsk> uname -a
[03:15] <nico__> hm 2.6.20
[03:15] <nico__> what kernel is gutsy running on
[03:15] <rsk> 2.6.22
[03:15] <hydrogen> i'd love to know..
[03:16] <hydrogen> why gutsy decides to cripple my computer
[03:16] <rsk> my kernel is SMP
[03:16] <nico__> i dont know actually
[03:16] <rsk> even thou i even dont have SMP
[03:16] <hydrogen> and my kernel isn't smp
[03:16] <hydrogen> though i have smp
[03:16] <Tomcat_> hydrogen: File a bug? :o
[03:17] <schallstrom_> i have gutsy on core duo cpu, and see 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo...
[03:17] <hydrogen> I did until I updated my computer a day or two ago
[03:17] <hydrogen> now I'm going to play around with switching kernels
[03:18] <hydrogen> and hope that things don't explode
[03:21] <hydrogen> mm
[03:21] <hydrogen> all better
[03:21] <hydrogen> now why in the hell gutsy thought that linux-image-386 was the proper kernel..
[03:22] <Trewas> schallstrom_: you can change the frequency scaling method with cpufreq-selector (ondemand is the default, performance is always maximum)
[03:25] <bhebing> bugger... 2.6.22-11 is nowhere to be found. so, no wlan for me until they fix the rt61 bug...
[03:26] <bhebing> oh well, then let's revert to the legacy drivers..
[03:26] <gnomefreak> bhebing: network manager was just pushed with a bunch of fixes
[03:26] <gnomefreak> bhebing: give it time please. when i say just uploaded i mean within the last 45 minutes
[03:27] <smallfoot-> I tried Ubuntu, and I was pretty pleased. I liked that it shipped with Memtest86+ that saved me a ton of headache when I got this new computer...
[03:27] <bernier> hi' i just updated to ubuntu gutsy but the problem is have no sound anymore
[03:28] <smallfoot-> There was two things I didn't like about Ubuntu, 1) I couldn't change screen res higher than 1024x768 without edit xorg.conf file, neither change refresh rate.   and 2) fonts were ugly
[03:30] <rexy_> any linux distro ships with that memtest thing these days
[03:31] <rexy_> well at least the ones i encountered recently did
[03:32] <martalli> rexy_: almost all of them that I know of
[03:32] <martalli> rexy_: Was it not on the ubuntu install disk?
[03:32] <martalli> rexy_: If not, knoppix is always a good standby with all sorts of troubleshooting features
[03:35] <rexy_> yeah it's on the ubuntu disks, and knoppix, and the various suse's
[03:36] <minimec> talking about headache... imagine the following: You have a gusty-live that suspends whitout problems on a laptop with a radeon 9600 (opensource driver). You install gusty on this laptop using /etc/xorg.conf /etc/default/acpi-support and /etc/modprobe.d/ *-blacklist from the gusty-live ... and that fuc...g machine doesn't suspend. Oh lord send me a sign!
[03:37] <rexy_> did you update?
[03:38] <minimec> rexy_: You mean if I 'apt-get uprade'? Yes I did
[03:38] <rexy_> then dont do that
[03:38] <rexy_> and see if the problem still exists after installing
[03:38] <rexy_> if so, bugreport it
[03:39] <rexy_> or maybe it already has been, i dont know, i never seem to be able to find anything in there
[03:39] <rexy_> my last guty upgrade didnt go so well for me either, heh
[03:39] <smallfoot-> i hope Gutsy Gibbon will have nicer fonts than Feisty Fawn had
[03:40] <minimec> rexy_: Well that nc8000 always had some problems with suspend/hibernate. Nothing new to me :(
[03:40] <bhebing> gnomefreak: oh, ok i'll wait. does network manager contain kernel fixes then? or am i misunderstanding you?
[03:40] <rexy_> hah, i'm on a Dell C610, i'm getting tv-out support with gutsy, so you'll just have to wait for awhile to get it fixed :D
[03:41] <rexy_> (it's a 2002 laptop)
[03:45] <rexy_> minimec: are you sure the suspend/hibernate problems arent fixed by a newer bios? seem to recall they issued a few updates for my machine just for hibernate crap
[03:45] <gnomefreak> bhebing: not likely n-m houses its own fixes. now what fixes he did im not sure but he closed ~30+ bugs with this upload
[03:46] <minimec> rexy_: I once updated the bios but that was two years ago. I will have a look at the HP Homepage. Thx. Not a bad idea... ;)
[03:46] <rexy_> i still have to do it too
[03:46] <rexy_> but i dont have a floppy drive
[03:47] <rexy_> or windows, nor can i boot of a usb-stick, and i dont really want to try it from linux, heh
[03:48] <gnomefreak> bhebing: we have had 3 or 4 versions of 2.6.22-12 released since friday so your fix may be in that (not sure what was fixed, too busy to grab changelogs
[03:49] <rexy_> gnomefreak: could you point me to where i can find those for myself? want to see if the acx driver had any work done
[03:50] <gnomefreak> rexy_: they would live on LP somewhere or you can download the source unpack the .dsc and look in debian/changelog but it should be viewible on LP under the source package of kernel
[03:52] <Viaken> I think I've got a fairly nasty bug, but am unsure how to pinpoint it. When I boot 2.6.22-11, everything is fine and dandy (except I can't get my custom compiled sound module to work, but that's not important atm), but when I boot 2.6.22-12, as soon as NetworkManager associates with my network, my laptop hard locks. Ctrl-Alt-Bksp does nothing and the caps lock light flashes (behavior I saw when Windows would crash).
[03:53] <Viaken> Is this known of/been reported? I couldn't find anything searching launchpad.
[03:56] <Viaken> Come to think of it, it could be an ndiswrapper problem.
[03:56] <Viaken> That wouldn't have changed between kernel versions, though, would it?
[03:57] <rexy_> i think the ndiswrapper packages provides it's own module that plugs into the kernel and wraps around your driver
[03:58] <rexy_> you can check that by looking at the files the package installs(dont know the command by heart for that, dpkg <magic options>
[03:58] <Viaken> -c, --contents maybe
[03:58] <rexy_> so checking the version would be a good start
[03:59] <rexy_> also i have had the same issue you were describing with ndiswrapper
[04:00] <rexy_> but on feisty, with acx111 drivers.
[04:01] <rexy_> think it's due to the card pairing with lower speed ap's, since it only occurse in places where also lower speed AP's are availeabble. The card stays fine untill i start the association process
[04:03] <Viaken> My AP supports 54mb/s, and that's what I connect with in 2.6.22-11.
[04:04] <rexy_> and it still randomly crashes?
[04:04] <Viaken> ndiswrapper-modules isn't installed... hmm
[04:05] <Viaken> The modules exist and are loaded at boot, so I don't know what that package is for.
[04:05] <Viaken> But yeah, it still crashes immediately on association with my AP.
[04:06] <rexy_> i gave up on the whole ndiswrapper thing, managed to find a new intel4965 for cheap, so hopefully wireless will work better then
[04:08] <kevinO> hello i just installed updates, and then new kernel, the one ending in 386 makes my sound not work.  I get this error when I click the volume icon in the tray The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker i
[04:08] <Hobbsee> kevinO: what about -generic?
[04:08] <kevinO> geberic works
[04:08] <kevinO> generic*
[04:09] <rexy_> my amd 64 runs a generic kernel too
[04:10] <kevinO> eveb after the updates from this morning, I was using generic, but now -386 is at the top of my list
[04:11] <Hobbsee> kevinO: why do you even have -386 installed?
[04:11] <kevinO> thats what i dont know
[04:11] <kevinO> it wasnt there before this morning
[04:12] <kevinO> its possible though i guess that i installed them a few days ago, but it didnt show up until this morning
[04:12] <Viaken> You can probably safely remove -386 and go back to using -generic.
[04:13] <j4ne> hi
[04:14] <martalli> I upgraded this comp to from ubuntu-feisty to ubuntu-gutsy with updatemanager -d then added kubuntu-desktop and now things are running horribly slowly in kde
[04:15] <martalli> Is this because of everything being compiled with debug flags or because of somethingelse (like competing background processes or soemthing like that?)  This is a p4 2.6ghz comp with 512 mb, I would think it would be enough for running gutsy
[04:15] <kevinO> would i run this command?
[04:15] <kevinO> apt-get remove --purge linux-kernel-headers-2.6.22-12-386
[04:16] <j4ne> i've asus laptop (f3e-ap022). i cannot disable my speaker with gnome-volume-control (disable pc speaker has no effect). can you help me ?
[04:16] <magnetron> !gutsy | martalli
[04:16] <ubotu> martalli: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:16] <martalli> kevinO: There is actually a metapakage, something like linux-386 or something like that
[04:16] <Viaken> rexy_: aptitude show ndiswrapper-modules-1.22 says the module is included in linux-image-generic, so maybe that's where the problem crept in for me.
[04:16] <rexy_> hmm so it is a kernel mod
[04:17] <rexy_> err i mean
[04:17] <martalli> magnetron: That's why I am asking about this in ubuntu+1
[04:17] <magnetron> oops martalli
[04:17] <martalli> There isn't a kubuntu+1 channel btw
[04:17] <magnetron> sorry wrong channel
[04:17] <martalli> no problem
[04:17] <rexy_> did you check your process list martalli
[04:17] <rexy_> see if there are processes going haywire
[04:17] <rexy_> are you sure it's not the indexer?
[04:17] <martalli> How could I tell btw?
[04:17] <martalli> is there a command in top to check?
[04:18] <rexy_> top shows the most busy process on top by default
[04:18] <rexy_> you can change sorting with the <> signs
[04:18] <martalli> lol that would be boinc
[04:18] <rexy_> anyway, look for the desktop indexer, it can draw a lot of resources
[04:18] <kevinO> ok It says: Package linux-386 is not installed, so not removed
[04:18] <martalli> aha xgl is a hog
[04:18] <martalli> Do I have to use xgl in gutsy?
[04:19] <Viaken> kevinO: I went into Synaptic and removed anything that was named linux-*-386
[04:19] <Viaken> I don't know if aptitude supports wildcards in package names.
[04:19] <martalli> kevinO: I am just guessing on that name, I would check aptitude or synaptic or adept on that to find the actual name of the metapackage
[04:19] <kevinO> it is the right name
[04:19] <kevinO> but i know i never installed a meta package
[04:20] <martalli> wow, xgl is taking something like 60% of system memory at times
[04:20] <martalli> oops - gotta go
[04:21] <kevinO> synaptic turned up nothing
[04:21] <j4ne> i've asus laptop (f3e-ap022). i cannot disable my speaker with gnome-volume-control (disable pc speaker has no effect). can you help me ?
[04:23] <kevinO> j4ne, go to a terminal and type alsamixer or something
[04:24] <kevinO> you migh get to it there
[04:24] <DanaG> DO you want to entirely disable the pc-speaker beep?
[04:24] <DanaG> If so, you can 'sudo modprobe -r pcspkr'
[04:24] <DanaG> and then add 'blacklist pcspkr' on a new line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:25] <j4ne> DanaG: no pc speaker, headspeaker
[04:25] <DanaG> Oh, something with snd-hda-intel?
[04:26] <DanaG> Thanks to various manufacturers, snd-hda-intel has to deal with various quirks in different boards.
[04:26] <j4ne> DanaG: yes
[04:26] <DanaG> For example, some Dell laptops have internal speaker on a separate pin, so they have to be muted by software when something is plugged into the headphone jack.
[04:26] <j4ne> i've put this on my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - options snd-hda-intel model=asus-laptop position_fix=1
[04:27] <j4ne> DanaG: yes it's my problem ! :o)
[04:27] <j4ne> i've put this but are no effect
[04:27] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't know what model would apply.
[04:28] <j4ne> my laptop model ? asus f3e ap022
[04:28] <DanaG> I mean, the 'model' parameter.  The best thing I can think of doing is to file a bug report.
[04:30] <j4ne> ok thanks
[04:31] <DanaG> Hmm, take a look at http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel/shortlog
[04:32] <DanaG> If one of those items applies, you can build alsa-hg:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3409383
[04:34] <DanaG> When doing ./hgcompile in the alsa-driver dir, do './hgcompile --help' first to get the list of sound cards; I also use these options:  ./hgcompile --with-sequencer=yes --with-oss=yes --with-pcm-oss-plugins=yes --with-cards=seq-dummy,loopback,pcsp,emu10k1,hda-intel,usb-audio --with-debug=full --with-card-options=all
[04:36] <j4ne> ok thank i read this
[04:36] <kevinO> ok everything works fine now after i uninstalled the two -386 items
[04:41] <secher> heyhey, anyone have the ftp link for the newest alsa snapshots?
[04:42] <DanaG> Actually, I think it uses Mercurial.   http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel/
[04:42] <Viaken> You can rsync it fairly easily.
[04:42] <Viaken> If you don't have Mercurial installed.
[04:43] <Viaken> rsync -avz --delete --exclude=.hg* rsync://alsa.alsa-project.org/hg /wherever/you/want/it
[05:01] <m1ke> How come there is no option for Gutsy to be able to download and INSTALL latest updates without me be prompted?   Security?
[05:04] <ReL1K> m1ke, last time i checked sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade required you to execute the command and check before installing options, the package gui manager notifys you that there is updates and doesn't install them
[05:04] <ReL1K> not sure where your getting it from?
[05:05] <m1ke> ReL1K, yea the gui manager doesnt install them automatically :(
[05:05] <dennda> is it a known bug that window-decorations don't work in gutsy (compiz enabled)? i tried "gtk-window-decorator --replace", which didn't work
[05:05] <ReL1K> m1ke, its in beta, probably dont want to be downloading all the updates right away
[05:06] <m1ke> ReL1K, okay thanks.  Do you use an xbox 360 controller in gutsy?
[05:07] <ReL1K> yea, i ported my entire xbox over to it actually
[05:07] <m1ke> Relik, you the man then!  Hook me up teacher.
[05:09] <m1ke> ReL1K, i got a modded box to.  I haven't done the x360 yet, don't know enough about it.  But I would like to get my x360 controller to work in gutsy for gaming on pc.
[05:21] <m1ke> Also if you have a dual monitor setup, how do you make games only do fullscreen on one.   Using twinview
[05:29] <ReL1K> yea, was about to ask the same, anyone got dual mons working on t61's or intel chipsets?
[05:37] <Laibsch> Anybody else experiencing frequent FF crashes?
[05:37] <Laibsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/144073
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144073 in mozilla-firefox "[gutsy]  Firefox reliably crashes reliably on a number of sites" [High,Confirmed]
[05:49] <m1ke> Side note, also I have noticed when it comes to n64 emulators that project64 takes the crown.   All my roms work in the latest beta 1.7 so far.  but when I try Mupen, I cant get them to run.  Is there a mupen channel?
[06:13] <beuno> hello, I just upgraded to the latest kernel in Gutsy, and after the reboot, I get Error 22. Doing "find /boot/grub/stage1" after chrooting from a LiveCD returns "Error 15: File not found". I'm out of ideas  :(
[06:16] <branstrom> I've been using ADC Capture/Standard PCM Playback since I installed Ubuntu. It has worked fine most of the times, but I'd like to try ALSA. Especially since the PCM thingie seems to have stopped working recently. I have one onboard soundcard (nForce2) and one Audigy. I'd like to use the Audigy, and it's worked fine with PCM before to just select it as the current mixer device. But nothing seems to work right now...
[06:16] <branstrom> No matter if I select ALSA or PCM or OSS or anything else, the sound test won't give any... sound
[06:17] <branstrom> Strike that, I mean sounds won't play. The sound test works with PCM, but nothing else does.
[06:18] <branstrom> Rhythmbox won't even start playing files.
[06:20] <lluc84> In wich gutsy package can I found the binary log_daemon_msg ?
[06:21] <firstbit> hi all
[06:21] <m1r> hi all
[06:21] <dajhorn> lluc84:  Search at http://packages.ubuntu.com/ ...  I don't see it in Gutsy.
[06:22] <m1r> i just updated 7.10 and i lost wlan capability for usb stick dlink DWL-G122 rev c1
[06:22] <lluc84> dajhorn
[06:22] <lluc84> is a binary used in /etc/init.d/mysql
[06:22] <lluc84> but I doesn't appear in any package
[06:23] <firstbit> I'm experiencing a problem with the application assotiation capplet. I cannot remove applications that are already associated with a specific MIME type. I can remove only those application that I associate myself... i looked for the bug in launchpad but i could not find it... does anyone kwno something about this issue?
[06:24] <dennda> arg
[06:24] <dennda> The oem-enduser-configuration of current dailybuild seems to be b0rked.
[06:25] <dennda> Doesn't continue after Step 4 and I don't know how to tell ubuntu *not* to start this program after session login... It reappears every login
[06:28] <m1r> after kernel upgrade to 2.6.22-12 i cant use usb wlan stick which was working perfectly on basic install. any tips how to fix ?
[06:48] <tatters> when gutsy goes final will vmserver be in the repos ?
[06:50] <m1r> this not good :/
[06:50] <m1r> wmaster0: failed to select rate control algorithm
[06:55] <_dan_> is the new nvidia driver already in gutsy?
[06:56] <Vegar> yes
[06:56] <rsk> yes
[06:56] <_dan_> .19?
[06:56] <Petra|> Good Day, How I can update my kubuntu to Gutsy?
[06:57] <rsk> Petra|: if you dont know howto do it
[06:57] <_dan_> very nice
[06:57] <rsk> then it's probably not a good idea
[06:57] <Petra|> Sorry. But why r u want let's me to decide?
[06:57] <_dan_> Petra| edit your sources list and do aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:57] <Petra|> The classical way - changing repos and dist-upgrade.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> Petra|: because people are busy, and probably dont want to hand hold you through every single step, when it breaks
[06:58] <Petra|> But i saw what @ kubuntu that way is not good.
[06:58] <Petra|> No.
[06:58] <Petra|> I don't need support with troubleshooting
[06:58] <Petra|> I'm just want to know how is true way
[06:58] <Petra|> @ virtual machine of cource
[06:59] <_dan_> Petra| i did it with aptitude
[06:59] <_dan_> took care of broken deps for me
[07:05] <_dan_> the x failsafe stuff is really annoying
[07:05] <_dan_> btw
[07:05] <petterah> hello ppl, I don't know if this is a bug, but gutsy tribe 5 have problems getting the dpi corrent on to of my computers, one LCD , one laptop, feisty always detected 96 dpi, with 10 size fonts, but gutsy gets it at 75 dpi, which makes the fonts ber tiny..
[07:06] <afonic> petterah : just select the right size in appearance properties
[07:06] <afonic> it does it in Arch Linux too, so I guess it is either Gnome 2.20 or Xorg 7.3 related
[07:07] <petterah> #118745 and i just found the bug number :D thanks
[07:08] <petterah> well, i should mention that it happens in opensuse 10.3 rc1 also, and i guess this release uses gnome 2.20 and xorg 7.3 to, so... i guess one of these are causing the problem
[07:09] <smallfoot-> make pretty fonts for ubuntu
[07:09] <smallfoot-> the fonts in feisty fawn wasnt so good
[07:10] <afonic> yeah most probably xorg 7.3 is causing it, but the fix is quick
[07:14] <soothsayer> I used 'netinst' to create a minimal install. During installation network worked correctly but running from the new install I have no eth0 interface. The card is a rtl-8029. lsmod shows ne2k-pci loaded (and 8030). The only suspicious message I notice in dmesg was 'PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6...' (card is PCI). Can anybody suggest troubleshooting procedure?
[07:20] <ReL1K> anyone copy and paste sometimes and it shows up as japaense?
[07:20] <smallfoot-> make pretty fonts for ubuntu
[07:21] <rsk> smallfoot-: specify pretty
[07:22] <_dan_> i am seeing the x failsafe thingie the second time today, who the hell thought that would be a good idea instead of a simple error msg
[07:22] <_dan_> ill never understand this
[07:23] <_dan_> and who the hell thought moving my working xorg.conf is what i want if simple nvidia odule isnt loaded
[07:25] <afonic> _dan_ you actually looked at the xorg.conf that thing makes?
[07:25] <afonic> its a nightmare
[07:26] <_dan_> yes i did
[07:26] <_dan_> and i dont wnat stuff to mes with my config files
[07:26] <smallfoot-> rsk, like professional typeface fonts like Verdana, Times New Roman, Arial, Helvetica
[07:26] <rsk> smallfoot-: that's already in ubuntu
[07:26] <_dan_> i stoped using suse with version 6.2 for *exact* this reason, coz yast messed all up
[07:26] <smallfoot-> rsk, when i had feisty fawn, the fonts didnt was pretty
[07:26] <_dan_> now ubuntu gies the same way, thats really annoying
[07:26] <afonic> try Arch :)
[07:26] <afonic> they have banned GUI config tools
[07:27] <_dan_> hmmm gui config tool are nice IMHO
[07:27] <rsk> smallfoot-: ok well you can _change_ fonts
[07:27] <_dan_> if they give me a choice
[07:27] <smallfoot-> gui config tools are 4 girlz!!
[07:27] <Vegar> _dan_: one word: debian
[07:27] <rsk> smallfoot-: and what you call "prettier" is already in the repos
[07:27] <_dan_> but that annoying hellspawn wont give me a choice, nor is it working
[07:27] <rsk> smallfoot-: just install and config it
[07:27] <_dan_> vega- switched from debian sid recently, there are different probs with debian
[07:27] <smallfoot-> rsk, ya but when i use computer, i just want to use it, i kinda dont like to google, read website/faq/howto/doc, type commands in console, etc
[07:28] <rsk> smallfoot-: ok then put a bug in launchpad
[07:28] <rsk> smallfoot-: or continue to use windows/macosx whatever
[07:28] <smallfoot-> on Windows or Mac, i never have to todo stuff to make the fonts pretty, they already are
[07:28] <_dan_> its just sad cozi think feisty was the nicest distro i ever saw but with those annoyance stuff in gutsy  dunno
[07:28] <Vegar> _dan_: like what?
[07:28] <rsk> smallfoot-: yes. now deal with it :)
[07:28] <petterah> afonic, there is a fix for this problem?
[07:28] <_dan_> vega- i had terrible troubles with font config, charsets and some other stuff  cant recall right now
[07:28] <petterah> xorg dpi issue
[07:28] <smallfoot-> rsk: i think someone should fix it, that way, more people will be able to use ubuntu
[07:29] <rsk> smallfoot-: as i said
[07:29] <smallfoot-> _dan_: whats bad about gutsy gibbon?
[07:29] <Vegar> oh, right, pebkac
[07:29] <rsk> smallfoot-: report bug to launchpad to make developers aware of this issue
[07:29] <_dan_> smallfoot- well its to soon to judge, since its not realsed yet of corse
[07:29] <rsk> smallfoot-: dont continue the rant
[07:29] <rsk> do something instead
[07:29] <afonic> petterah : in the Appearance tab, go to Fonts -> Details -> and select 96dpi
[07:29] <_dan_> smallfoot- but i really dont like that thousands of prgamms wandering into my session file nor do i like that annoyance number one X failsafe stupid mess my xorg conf thingie up conf tool
[07:30] <petterah> afonic, :) ah of course, but its going to be alot of work to do this for every user on an ltsp system
[07:30] <afonic> petterah : yeah I know however the bug report seems to be stuck in the "Medium" importance :(
[07:30] <_dan_> i dont like that i ant load nvidia module if i didnt set "nviudia" in xorg.conf i mean wtf
[07:30] <_dan_> i fuckng typed in fucking load it i dont need some conf thngie preventing me from it
[07:30] <afonic> I don't think it will make it in final
[07:30] <petterah> hehe ok well, thanks alot anyway :)
[07:31] <stdin> !ohmy | _dan_
[07:31] <ubotu> _dan_: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:31] <petterah> afonic, thats to bad, kind of a "look nice" quality issue...
[07:31] <_dan_> sry
[07:31] <_dan_> just a bit annoyed right now
[07:32] <_dan_> ir well, not only annoyed but concerned the way this is heading :/ taking too much stuff out of the users hand
[07:34] <afonic> _dan_ : Ubuntu is meant to be a distro for beginners like it or not :P
[07:34] <afonic> and trust me beginners don't like to mess with xorg.conf
[07:34] <_dan_> one example, today i installed new nvidia driver, of corse module wont get loaded, so failsafe x thingie kicks in, meses with my xorg.conf while i was trying to conf that via the failsafe thing, didnt work ofcorse, so i switched console killed X and gdm, tried toload nvidia module to check verison etc, ubuntu prevented me from loading coz xorg,conf had no "nvidia" entry, so i had to manually copy old xorg,conf back load miodule restart x
[07:34] <_dan_> why nt simple say "nvidia not load it" or load it automatically instead of that failsafe stuff
[07:35] <_dan_> afonic well i am not concidering me an absolutely beginner, nor am i a pro, i have been a linux user for 7 years or so now
[07:35] <_dan_> and i like ubuntu ovr allother distros
[07:35] <_dan_> but that today, really really concerned me
[07:35] <afonic> ok so uninstall bulletproofx and have it your way
[07:35] <_dan_> bulletproofx?
[07:36] <afonic> ?
[07:36] <Jaymac> Hobbsee, are you a server admin here?
 ok so uninstall bulletproofx and have it your way <-- i dont get what u mean
[07:37] <afonic> you where talking about the failsafe thing
[07:37] <_dan_> yes
[07:38] <afonic> so I said you can uninstall it if you don't want it and get the old good xorg failure screen
[07:38] <_dan_> yeah that i would want
[07:38] <_dan_> but cnat find pacages named bulletproof or anything
[07:38] <_dan_> what is it called?
[07:38] <afonic> I am not in Ubuntu right now :S
[07:38] <afonic> but you can remove it
[07:39] <_dan_> let me turn on my laptop i got gutsy there
[07:39] <_dan_> desktop is on feisty
[07:40] <tsukasa> hey can i report a bug?
[07:40] <_dan_> afonic cant find it :/
[07:41] <ReL1K> anyone copy and paste sometimes and it shows up as japaense?
[07:41] <ReL1K> *japanese
[07:41] <Hobbsee> Jaymac: define "server admin" in this case?
[07:43] <Jaymac> Sorry Hobbsee, I had a  nickserv question - found the #freenode support channel... someone regged my nick whilst i was AWOL and got K-lined, wondering if I can have it back
[07:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, #freenode is the one you want.
[07:44] <_dan_> anyone knows why i cnat enable some plugins in compizfusion/gutsy?
[07:44] <martalli> What does "k-lined" mean?
[07:45] <PriceChild> martalli, server ban
[07:45] <martalli> "Regged" must mean his nick was stolen?
[07:47] <Jaymac> yeah... i let it drop by not identifying it
[07:47] <Jaymac> someone else registered it and has been banned by the server
[07:47] <martalli> woops
[07:47] <Jaymac> so i'm finding out if/when i can get hold of it again :)
[07:50] <afonic> _dan_ look for displayconfig-gtk
[07:50] <_dan_> afonic big thx
[08:00] <pepie34> i have a regression for the last week
[08:00] <pepie34> the battery level is always to 0
[08:01] <pepie34> acpi -b gives
[08:01] <pepie34> Battery 1: charging, 0%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge.
[08:05] <IntuitiveNipple> pepie34: please post a bug-report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[08:11] <CountX> help?
[08:12] <CountX> its monday, i was told to wait till monday and they would fix network manager to work with bcm43xx
[08:13] <CountX> anyone got bcm43xx wireless working in gutsy?
[08:14] <kevinO> where can i find a list of packages included in gutsy
[08:15] <LjL> kevinO: won't packages.ubuntu.com do?
[08:16] <Jaymac> yeah, http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ is as good a place as any :)
[08:16] <kevinO> yeah that will work, my google broke earlier, im waiting on the maytag repair man
[08:16] <CountX> maytag?
[08:16] <CountX> google broke'?
[08:17] <kevinO> yeah, hes never busy
[08:17] <x_link> Hi
[08:17] <kevinO> Hello
[08:18] <x_link> If I want to upgrade from Feisty to Gusty, should I then change this repo as well.
[08:18] <x_link> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-357 feisty main
[08:18] <x_link> Should I change that feisty to gutsy as well?
[08:19] <Pici> x_link: I usually either comment out or change custom repos to say gutsy when I upgrade
[08:19] <kevinO> from what i hear you change them all to gutsy, i heard it will break your system though
[08:19] <x_link> Okej.
[08:20] <x_link> Pici: But I added that repo myself.
[08:20] <kevinO> thats just what i hear, i installed from the disc
[08:20] <x_link> Pici: So I should just change every single "feisty" to "gusty" then, right?
[08:20] <Pici> x_link: Yes.
[08:20] <x_link> Pici: Then sudo aptitude update/upgrade.
[08:20] <x_link> Pici: Okej, thanks alot!
[08:20] <Jaymac> is the best method for upgrading to gutsy not by just typing to a terminal: gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[08:20] <x_link> Pici: Do you think I should do it or should I stick with Feisty=
[08:20] <x_link> ?
[08:20] <Jaymac> or kdesu or wahtever
[08:21] <_dan_> x_link i wouldnt use gutsy on a desktop
[08:21] <x_link> Jaymac: sudo "update-manager -c -d"
[08:21] <_dan_> try it on a machine u can spare
[08:21] <x_link> Jaymac: So if I run that command it will upgrade it for me?
[08:21] <CountX> how do you get flash working in opera 9.5?
[08:21] <_dan_> or in a virtualmachine
[08:21] <Pici> x_link: Thats up to you, there are still bugs and sometimes things get broken while trying to fix other things, so if you aren't prepared to deal with that, I'd stick with feisty.
[08:21] <x_link> _dan_: I just have this macine =/
[08:21] <_dan_> x_link dont do it then
[08:21] <Jaymac> x_link, use gksu on gnome, and kdesu on kde instead of sudo
[08:21] <_dan_> if its your main desktop use
[08:21] <x_link> Pici: Okej
[08:22] <x_link> Jaymac: Is sudo not good?
[08:22] <x_link> Hurmm
[08:22] <Pici> !gksudo
[08:22] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>  See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[08:22] <x_link> But I was using Debian Testing before, it worked fine for me.,
[08:22] <_dan_> i would upgrade with aptitude on console, it show u which packages are broken, which get removed etc
[08:22] <x_link> I will try Gutsy afte I have done a backup with Acronis.
[08:23] <x_link> Okej
[08:23] <_dan_> try it in a virtual machine if u just wanna see new features
[08:23] <x_link> So from now on I will use kdesu aptitude updatee etc.
[08:23] <_dan_> for example in virtualbox which is free
[08:23] <x_link> _dan_: I have virtualbox actually =)
[08:23] <x_link> _dan_: But I think I will wait.
[08:24] <x_link> Next time I need to reboot I will run a backup with Acronis, then I will upgrade. If something happens or if I don't like it then I will jump back to Feisty.
[08:24] <x_link> Will Feisty no longer get any new packages or new versions of things?
[08:24] <_dan_> it gets bugfixes afaiks
[08:24] <_dan_> and some backports if i am not mistaken
[08:24] <_dan_> but generally a released distro dont get new version f backages, just fixes
[08:25] <CountX> it will be the new 6.06
[08:25] <CountX> :P
[08:25] <_dan_> pls correct me if i am talking nonsense
[08:25] <x_link> Ahh o kej.
[08:25] <x_link> Okej.
[08:25] <x_link> Like I said, will do it next time I reboot.
[08:25] <eyec0n> anyone else know about 404 errors on updates?
[08:25] <x_link> Thanks ALOT for all help and info.
[08:25] <CountX> like it will be the "stable" one, and get longer support
[08:25] <Jaymac> unless you're prepared for things to break, x_link I'd recommend using Feisty for the next month
[08:25] <x_link> Really appreciate it alot!
[08:25] <x_link> Now I need to go for a short while, bye!
[08:25] <Jaymac> eyec0n, means your repository is no longer there I guess...
[08:25] <Jaymac> is it an unofficial repository giving you the 404?
[08:25] <x_link> Jaymac: I will use Feisty for another month yeah.
[08:26] <x_link> *afk*
[08:26] <_dan_> just try it in vm to play around )=
[08:26] <CountX> im good with gutsy, i just wish my wireless worked :(
[08:26] <eyec0n> unless us.archive.ubuntu.com is unofficial I dont think so
[08:26] <Jaymac> what card?
[08:26] <Jaymac> hmm
[08:26] <CountX> and i wish i didnt have to press ctrl+alt+del to get it to start
[08:27] <CountX> bcm43xx
[08:27] <Jaymac> its up and working..
[08:27] <CountX> i messed it up
[08:27] <CountX> i did something
[08:27] <eyec0n> it says 404 for linux-headers/image/restricted
[08:28] <_dan_> can anyone tell me why nvidia module wont get loaded automatically?
[08:28] <Jaymac> means that package hasn't made it into the repository yet
[08:28] <Jaymac> it will be there eventually
[08:28] <CountX> i like did a ndiswrapper tutorial, and like blacklisted it or something, somewhere, and not it wont work at all
[08:28] <CountX> like nm-applet doesnt even acknowledge i have a wifi card
[08:28] <Jaymac> during alpha/beta different kernel modules make it at different times, but it'll be there soon i'd imagine :)
[08:28] <_dan_> ah ubuntu always tries to load the module correspondig with nvidia-glx but i got nvidia-glx-new
[08:29] <_dan_> anyne can tell me how i can fix it?
[08:30] <eyec0n> _dan_ load synaptic and double check nvidia-glx isn't installed?
[08:30] <_dan_> well i got nvidia-glx-new installe
[08:30] <_dan_> since i need the newer drivers for my laptop
[08:30] <CountX> i wish i knew what i was doing when i do how-to's and tutorials, that way i can fix what i screw up
[08:30] <eyec0n> ok
[08:30] <Jaymac> to avoid the black window problem?
[08:30] <_dan_> if i modporbe nvidia afterward it loads correct module
[08:30] <_dan_> Jaymac exactly
[08:31] <Jaymac> yeah, I'm still running Feisty on my laptop (don't want broken wireless) so it drives me nuts
[08:31] <CountX> Jaymac: didnt they fix it like today
[08:31] <Jaymac> yeah
[08:32] <CountX> Jaymac: i was told that they fixed bcm43xx today
[08:32] <Jaymac> but it's in gutsy, not sure if it's in feisty..
[08:32] <eyec0n> bcm43xx working... will be a great day when that happens
[08:32] <eyec0n> :)
[08:33] <CountX> i was told they had done it
[08:33] <CountX> and it was going in the repo today
[08:33] <eyec0n> I hope so, another reason to ditch this dual-boot crap.
[08:34] <CountX> its like my only reason for needing windows
[08:34] <Jaymac> yeah i heard that they were going to get it working without ndiswrapper
[08:34] <Jaymac> or at least that was a gutsy goal
[08:34] <CountX> Jaymac: i tried to use ndiaswrapper and i effed something up
[08:34] <eyec0n> lol, I always eff something up myself.
[08:35] <CountX> ya i wish i knew what i was doing half the time
[08:35] <CountX> so i could un-do it
[08:35] <CountX> ctrl+z?
[08:39] <Jaymac> does anyone else have a seg fault problem in gutsy when trying to rip CDs to ogg vorbis using Sound Juicer?
[08:39] <Jaymac> oh, it's fixed itself in the latest update
[08:41] <eyec0n> *blushes* clicking check updates somehow fixed it (and added another 50megs of updates :/)
[08:42] <eyec0n> my kernel is upgraded :)
[08:46] <wabid> is there a way to add run/open as root to the right click menu in nautilus
[08:47] <Jaymac> yeah eyec0n, they're not all in the repos at exactly the same time :) you must have picked the wrong 5 minutes in which to upgrade
[08:47] <Jaymac> :)
[08:54] <rock1> hey does anyone know if tomboy notes are supposed to be getting indexed by tracker on gutsy?
[08:57] <eyec0n> bcm-43xx works in 7.10!!!!!!!!!!
[08:57] <eyec0n> omg
[09:00] <CountX> eyec0n: no effin way?
[09:00] <CountX> eyec0n: tell me how damnit >.<
[09:01] <eyec0n> CountX, the latest kernel update made it "activate"
[09:01] <CountX> eyec0n: i have the latest kernel.. :(
[09:01] <CountX> eyec0n: i have a red light on the front
[09:01] <eyec0n> you sure... the latest linux-restricteddrivers update?
[09:02] <CountX> eyec0n: i did some tweaking of a few files when i was doing a tut for ndiswrapper, would that have anything to do with it
[09:02] <eyec0n> no idea
[09:02] <CountX> i think one of he steps called for blacklisting bcm43xx in a file
[09:02] <CountX> forgot which though.... :(
[09:02] <eyec0n> well that might do it
[09:03] <CountX> eye :'(
[09:03] <eyec0n> better retrace your steps and unblacklist it...
[09:03] <CountX> i cant find that damn tut site
[09:04] <eyec0n> search man, search
[09:04] <_sidd> CountX: there are a bunch of blacklist files under /etc/modprobe.d/ Take a look at those.
[09:04] <CountX> _sidd: yeah i did something in that file
[09:05] <eyec0n> now I just gotta find a suitable gtk+ app for viewing wireless networks
[09:05] <CountX> wifi-radar
[09:05] <eyec0n> sweet
[09:05] <_sidd> eyec0n: nm-applet under gnome.
[09:08] <CountX> how do i remove ndiswrapper
[09:08] <_dan_> can anyone tell me how i can make gutsy load the appropriate nvidia module on bootup, seems old nvidia gets loaded instead the corresponding to nvidia-glx-new
[09:08] <_dan_> may be a bug or just some stupidness by me
[09:11] <afonic> _dan_ : there was a bug in nvidia-glx-new not sure if it is fixed yet
[09:11] <_dan_> it works if i manually modprobe it
[09:11] <_dan_> which is werd
[09:12] <CountX> nothing...
[09:12] <afonic> _dan_ , this seems unrelated I was talking for another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641
[09:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx-new]  Driver is missing libwfb breaking X on 8000 series cards" [High,Confirmed]
[09:13] <_dan_> oki
[09:13] <CountX> still no wifi-working, ive uninstalled ndiswraper and removed the blacklist line in modprobe.d
[09:14] <_dan_> afonic u got any suggestions how i can make it load proper module at bootup?
[09:14] <petterah> does gutsy provide a default xorg.conf, I can't find it anywhere in /etc/X11/ ...?
[09:15] <_dan_> btw there is a definite bug on sony vaio laptops of a special series, loading wrong module for sony keys, need to manually compile  a patched module
[09:16] <CountX> waaaa
[09:16] <CountX> i cant get wireless working, i messed it up installing ndiswrapper
[09:17] <CountX> anyone know how to get it back to normal?
[09:24] <ConstyXIV> is there any way to hide a certain program's tray icon?
[09:24] <ikonia_> see if it has properties to hide icon ?
[09:24] <ConstyXIV> it doesnt
[09:25] <ikonia_> you can look in gnome-conf, see if you can force it
[09:27] <eyec0n> _sidd, thanks for telling me to use nm-applet, I didn't know it did what it did.
[09:28] <_sidd> eyec0n: np.
[09:33] <eyec0n> i've been waiting to use wireless in linux for... ever.
[09:38] <CountX> eyec0n: i still cant get it to work
[09:38] <CountX> :(
[09:39] <_sidd> CountX: Which wireless card do you have?
[09:43] <unggnu> hi all
[09:43] <unggnu> Anyone here with intel graphic card and working suspend?
[09:43] <wabid> im not getting any kind of warning when my battery is low, how can i enable/mess with that setting
[09:44] <_sidd> unggnu: yea.
[09:44] <Vegar> when 2.6.23 gets stable, will we have to wait for hardy?
[09:44] <rsk> Vegar probably
[09:44] <rsk> but kernel releases are kinda often
[09:44] <unggnu> _sidd, could you please check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141063
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New]
[09:44] <rsk> like every 2/3 months
[09:45] <rsk> so maybe 2.6.25 in hardy
[09:45] <rsk> :)
[09:45] <Vegar> yes, but still
[09:45] <Vegar> 2.6.23 has some features I'd like to use
[09:45] <unggnu> Vegar, than compile it
[09:45] <rsk> you could always roll own kernel
[09:45] <unggnu> *then
[09:46] <Vegar> there won't be any ubuntu packages? I tend to prefer the ubuntu-way of building kernels
[09:47] <rsk> nope
[09:47] <rsk> you dont build any kernels the ubuntu way
[09:47] <rsk> just install them
[09:47] <wabid> or how can i change the % at which my battery is considered critically low?
[09:47] <darrend> my synaptics touch pad fails to work if I switch user (for the new user).  It keeps working for the old user - anyone had similar problem?
[09:47] <unggnu> Vegar, it is maybe possible to compile Hardy kernel for Gutsy
[09:47] <Vegar> unggnu: that's an idea
[09:47] <_sidd> unggnu: I don't have my laptop with me right now... I'll check this out in the evening.
[09:47] <unggnu> _sidd, would be great :)
[09:47] <Vegar> when does work on hardy start?
[09:48] <rsk> Vegar: after 7.10 is released
[09:48] <unggnu> Vegar, normally short time after Gutsy release
[09:48] <Vegar> ok
[09:48] <Vegar> cool
[09:48] <Vegar> then I can roll my own kernel based on the Hardy kernel
[09:48] <Vegar> (using debian/rules in the ubuntu kernel source)
[09:48] <CountX> _sidd: bcm43xx
[09:49] <CountX> _sidd: i installed ndiswrapper and did some stuff, but now it doesnt work, eyec0n said it sis
[09:49] <CountX> did
[09:49] <_sidd> CountX: Did it work with ndiswrapper before?
[09:49] <CountX> _sidd: nope, i messed it up
[09:49] <CountX> _sidd: i suck at doing tutorials and stuff for linux
[09:50] <_sidd> CountX: Mine works with ndiswrapper... I haven't tried the bcm43xx driver.
[09:50] <_StefanS_> hi there
[09:51] <CountX> _sidd: i cant follow tuts very well, i always end up screwing it up
[09:51] <_StefanS_> did someone else notice the hotkey for brightness up/down stopped working within the past kernel update?
[09:51] <branstrom> I can't run VMWare Workstation anymore after upgrading to gutsy. When I start it, it just goes away without even showing a window. It tries to load up but dies without any error message.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> (thats on a thinkpad t60p)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> branstrom: rerun vmware-config.pl
[09:52] <CountX> _StefanS_: ya it doesnt work for me either
[09:52] <branstrom> _StefanS_: I read something about vmware-configure.pl but wasn't sure
[09:52] <branstrom> Is that the correct name or is it config?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> branstrom: config
[09:52] <branstrom> I'll run it
[09:52] <humbolto> I ran evolution on Gutsy with my Feisty home. Now when I try to start evolution in Feisty again, it does not work anymore! What can be wrong here?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> branstrom: and make sure you have downloaded the latest 6.01 release, it works flawlessly on latest 2.6 kernels
[09:53] <_StefanS_> branstrom: then no need for vmware-any-any
[09:53] <_StefanS_> CountX: glad you see the same issue
[09:53] <humbolto> That's what's happening: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38486/
[09:54] <branstrom> _StefanS_: hmm
[09:54] <_sidd> CountX, sorry... I just remembered... I use my bcm43xx card with driverloader from http://www.linuxant.com
[09:54] <_StefanS_> CountX: in kde the kde-guidance-powermanager seems to conttrol the backlight without problems
[09:54] <branstrom> So 6.0 won't work well?
[09:54] <branstrom> vmware-config is running, seems to be doing good
[09:55] <_StefanS_> branstrom: well, until 6.0.1 I had to use vmware-any-any to make it compile (or change the page.h file in the kernel-headers described many places on the web)
[09:55] <riotkittie> are the included rt2x00 drivers wonky, or am i just really dumb? :|