[00:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:09] <knome> hey sean
[00:09] <bluesabre> hey pasi
[00:10] <knome> what's up?
[00:10] <bluesabre> nm, just got home from work and dinner
[00:12] <Unit193> Figured may as well backport the -pulseaudio- from the repos.
[00:17] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras/+packages oh right, forgot about the different dep.
[07:34] <flocculant> Unit193: changelog - didn't know apt-listchanges - but surely /usr/share won't help to see what's changed in a ppa before it's updated?
[07:34] <Unit193> flocculant: Hah, correct.  Though, apt-listchanges can be noisy.
[07:35] <flocculant> rightio
[07:36] <Unit193> flocculant: apt-listdifferences is even more fun. :P
[07:37] <flocculant> :)
[07:37] <flocculant> I can guess that :D
[07:40] <flocculant> Unit193: so all in all - checking the changelist on the ppa package detail page is the best option ?
[07:41] <Unit193> Likely.
[07:42] <flocculant> :)
[07:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: thanks - fiddled a bit more with it - but you'll see that anyway :)
[09:02] <Unit193> xubuntu.xenial: Unit 193<EMAIL_ADDRESS>xubuntu.xenial * 992 /  supported: Add xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin to supported
[09:23] <sorinel1o> Unit193, Hello. You wanted to PM me yesterday, but I was off. I'm on GMT+2.
[10:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: nice
[10:58] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also hit up whisker.
[10:58] <bluesabre> also good to see that supported started working for our packageset at some point
[10:58] <bluesabre> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/xubuntu
[10:58] <Unit193> Yes it did!
[10:58] <bluesabre> did you do that?
[10:59] <Unit193> Added supported to packageset?  No.
[10:59] <bluesabre> hm
[10:59] <bluesabre> maybe something just started working, or somebody fixed a bug in secret
[10:59] <bluesabre> :D
[11:01] <bluesabre> flocculant: well done, looks good
[11:38] <akxwi_dave> flocculant, I'm going thru some of the testcases for the packages, but the file  a bug link doesn't let me file one..
[11:49] <akxwi_dave> i'll post a failed for the moment with the bug details in comments and then file the bug report when it lets me.
[11:52] <akxwi_dave> ok change that to In-progress with the bugs in comments
[12:02] <akxwi_dave> off for lunch back later
[12:52] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: in for a short while - when you're back can you explain what "the file  a bug link " refers to :)
[13:03] <akxwi_dave> hi mate, when you are on the tracker, and go thru the testcase, at the bottom you have th option  to submit the failure or pass etc, on the  option to submit the pafiled, it has a link to File a big
[13:03] <akxwi_dave> bug*
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> when you lclick on it, it take you to a page that says... Bug reporting instructions for Xubuntu Desktop
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> You are currently on: Ubuntu Package Testing
[13:04] <akxwi_dave> This product doesn't have detailed bug reporting instructions yet.
[13:04] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: yea - never noticed that before :p
[13:06] <flocculant> akxwi_dave: basically report a bug with ubuntu-bug packagename (for non-ppa) or if that fails https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug
[13:06] <flocculant> changing the packagename to suit
[13:06] <akxwi_dave> cheers will try it that way..
[13:06] <flocculant> then once you've got a number you can add it to a test result
[13:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: something I just thought of - if we keep getting fails - gmb say - we can disable that from testing, then re-enable it when we know there's a fix
[13:08] <flocculant> could get that kind of info on qa trello for testers so they know not to bother
[13:19] <akxwi_dave> cheers flocculant, reported those bugs
[13:57] <akxwi_dave> bbl
[17:45] <dkessel> yay, xenial images are there :)
[17:46]  * drc bets that if one installs that image, it'll still say 15.10 wily :)
[17:48] <dkessel> probably :)
[17:49] <dkessel> just like everytime
[17:58] <flocculant> I would be extremely surprised if that wasn't the case :)
[17:59] <flocculant> dkessel: did you catch my ping the other day re autopkg tests?
[18:00] <dkessel> flocculant: yup thanks. i'll have a look and only add it back if i am sure something will happen
[18:00] <flocculant> yep - works for me :)
[18:24] <dkessel> bluesabre, would it be possible to build the mousepad version in the xubuntu-dev PPA against GTK3, just like the version in wily/xenial?
[18:32] <flocculant> bluesabre: something odd in xenial - just did an update - now have both evince-gtk and evince installed
[18:34] <flocculant> -gtk now appears to have evince as a depends
[18:35] <flocculant> knome: when you've a handful of minutes :p
[18:40] <dkessel> do we need to remove some dependencies on python2 in our default packages, or is there nothing left to do for us? i noticed normal ubuntu wants to move to a python3 default installation
[18:41] <flocculant> no idea myself
[19:38] <Noskcaj> flocculant, debian is making evince-gtk go away
[19:38] <flocculant> mmm
[19:39] <flocculant> Noskcaj: k - thanks - now I can't see why we went to -gtk
[19:39] <Noskcaj> lowering deps, but really it's just the two minor ones listed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755071
[19:40] <knome> flocculant, hello
[19:41] <flocculant> knome: hey :)
[19:41] <flocculant> I'm thinking about the contribute page again ...
[19:41] <knome> yep
[19:42] <flocculant> and now wondering if wiki -> /Xubuntu/Testing/few child pages
[19:42] <flocculant> is a better way of dealing with it
[19:43] <flocculant> pro's being that each page can grow easily as needed/or shrink
[19:43] <flocculant> con - being that we've not much control - other than reverting a change
[19:43] <flocculant> just wondered what you thought of that
[19:45] <flocculant> then just have basic information on website pointing elsewhere as necessary
[19:48] <flocculant> I want to try and start including those like akxwi in stuff tbh
[19:49] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you have any issues with reverting the evince-gtk dep?
[19:54] <flocculant> Noskcaj: so reading that - the reasoning is one person didn't like there being 2 evinces?
[19:55] <Noskcaj> it doubled the build time, and was mostly unneeded.
[19:55] <flocculant> apart from the bits that obviously caused us to move to -gtk from evince
[19:55] <Noskcaj> We seem to already have all the r-deps, so in it's current state this isn't an issue for us
[19:56] <Noskcaj> since the nautilus thing was dropped
[19:56] <flocculant> right - as I said I'm not finding why we did it
[19:57] <Noskcaj> killing the nautilus dep i think
[19:58] <knome> flocculant, sorry for disappearing...
[19:58] <knome> flocculant, anyway, i really wouldn't want to start using the wiki more :(
[19:58] <flocculant> knome: that's ok :)
[19:59] <knome> slickymaster, you around?
[19:59] <flocculant> knome: I realise that - but frankly editing website is just a pain
[19:59] <flocculant> not the actual editing - the only *foo* can
[19:59] <knome> flocculant, yep, i'm not exactly saying we should use the website either
[20:00] <knome> flocculant, maybe the docbook way would be the best, even if it means people need to be able to write docbook...
[20:00] <flocculant> my issue is making the information both as encyclopaedic as we need and in as short a text per subject as possible
[20:00] <flocculant> and a website page 6 metres long won't be much fun :)
[20:01] <knome> yep
[20:01] <Unit193> TBH, Docbook isn't as nice as other markup languages.
[20:01] <flocculant> knome: re docbook - I don't care one way or the other - but then where does it land for people to read
[20:01] <knome> Unit193, but we already use fit for docs
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, as i said before, it can be any subdomain on xubuntu.org
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, or docs.xubuntu.org/developers
[20:02] <knome> flocculant, and we can ship it in pdf
[20:02] <knome> Unit193, s/fit/it/
[20:02] <flocculant> so we could docs.xubuntu.org/qa then sub pages?
[20:02] <Unit193> I gathered that, and know that yep.
[20:03] <knome> flocculant, well, i'd make one documentation for all contributor documentation
[20:03] <knome> flocculant, so sth like docs.xubuntu.org/contributors and then same index as the regular docs
[20:03] <knome> and structure
[20:03] <flocculant> right ok - so long as there are *pages*
[20:03] <knome> sure
[20:04] <knome> comparing to http://docs.xubuntu.org/1504/C/index.html
[20:04] <knome> i would imagine QA would be in the same level as "What is Xubuntu?"
[20:04] <knome> and different subtopics under that
[20:04] <flocculant> so say Developer section > Chapters, QA section > Chapters
[20:04] <flocculant> yep
[20:04] <knome> i know the chapters are currently shown all on one page
[20:04] <knome> but that can be changed
[20:05] <knome> if we feel like it's necessary
[20:05] <knome> then also,
[20:05] <knome> appendix for basic stuff
[20:05] <knome> like "how to register a launchpad account"
[20:05] <flocculant> so front page could just be Dev/QA/Docs for instance
[20:05] <flocculant> yep
[20:05] <knome> and "how to work with bzr"
[20:05] <flocculant> saved me typing ...
[20:05] <flocculant> lol
[20:06] <knome> yes, the front page would be a very simple index with a nice hello message
[20:06] <flocculant> ok - so I can work with that plan - as long as it's not 16.10 :D
[20:07] <knome> as i said before and as you know, we have the doc building process ready
[20:07] <knome> so we just need to copy that and start working on the docbook stuff
[20:07] <knome> but i'd like to quickly run this through slickymaster
[20:07] <knome> to make sure he doesn't completely disagree
[20:07] <flocculant> yea yea - I understand we have the behind curtain available
[20:08] <knome> yep, what i'm saying is that there isn't nothing that is slowing us down except ourselves :P
[20:09] <flocculant> :D
[20:14] <knome> bbiab
[20:22] <flocculant> http://xubuntu.org/?p=3559&preview=true
[20:22] <flocculant> biab too
[20:25] <Unit193> Also, will pop the new -pulseaudio- into Extras, want -staging too?
[20:50] <flocculant> Unit193: I guess you're not asking me - but I have extras so ...
[20:50] <flocculant> hi akxwi-dave - re the bug reporting link - fixed
[20:50] <Unit193> flocculant: Honestly?  You'd likely care the most.
[20:51] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: re the other bug - I changed the package - but the fix is done now
[20:51] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - so I'll see if from extras is what I meant :)
[20:51] <flocculant> at least it'll be fairly simple to tell you my world imploded :D
[20:52] <akxwi-dave> cheers floc, will re-run those test
[20:52] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: shouldn't need to do that - I saw the issue so I know it's fixed :)
[20:52] <flocculant> wasn't actually a package problem but a testcase one
[20:53] <akxwi-dave> ok mate.. :-)
[20:53] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: also - better to tab people's whole name in IRC - if I wandered off I'd not see floc :p
[20:54] <flocculant> Unit193: what's the soundmenu plugin? possible replacement?
[20:56] <Unit193> soundmenu is the mpris2 (media controls) panel plugin, we liked pulseaudio better and want that to grow them.
[20:56] <flocculant> k
[20:58] <akxwi-dave> Just a quick question on testcases, if I have run some under a vm, would you want those re-doing on real hardware as well? I knwo some would be better on real hardware like power manger etc?
[20:58] <flocculant> if something doesn't run properly in a vm - there should be a note to say that
[20:59] <flocculant> generally for a package testing in a vm is enough to check it works as expected
[20:59] <akxwi-dave> thanks flocculant.. just wanted to ensure that i don't go to overboard..:-)
[21:00] <flocculant> you won't go overboard :)
[21:00] <flocculant> there's no such thing as too much testing in relation to having ~10 people regularly test things :D
[21:01] <akxwi-dave> nice to know, well time for the wife and wine, have a good evening all
[21:01] <flocculant> thanks akxwi-dave :)
[21:18] <flocculant> Unit193: oh - did it fail to build for xenial?
[21:46] <flocculant> knome: when you get time can you check out the draft post on x.org :)
[21:48] <knome> yep
[21:48] <flocculant> ta
[22:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:09] <flocculant> evening bluesabre
[22:09] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: probably fine to go ahead and return to evince
[22:09] <bluesabre> flocculant: I like the idea of disabling a test if its known to already fail
[22:10] <flocculant> I'd not thought of that before
[22:10] <bluesabre> dkessel: yes, I think that would be logical for -gtk3 mousepad builds to be in the ppa :)
[22:10] <flocculant> seems a bit silly to leave it there till we know it's fixed
[22:10] <bluesabre> agreed
[22:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll go ahead as and when then - just need some sort of agreement about how much fail is enough :D
[22:11] <flocculant> take gmb - fails when closing - I'd remove it
[22:11] <flocculant> and fails all the time - not one person here and there
[22:11] <bluesabre> maybe 3 "me toos" and 1 "still affects me, when is it getting fixed?"
[22:12] <bluesabre> :)
[22:12] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - that sounds fair :)
[22:12] <flocculant> I'll disable gmb then :D
[22:12] <bluesabre> :D
[22:13] <flocculant> bluesabre: it is mentioned in a post I've got drafted - but adding them to disabled test list at https://trello.com/b/IV66JCHl/xubuntu-qa
[22:13] <bluesabre> :)
[22:14] <Unit193> flocculant: ...I haven't gotten to it yet. :3
[22:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...I'm not supposed to update gmb?
[22:14] <flocculant> bluesabre: I did check to make sure we didn't lose results from the tracker by the way :)
[22:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: please update gmb
[22:16] <flocculant> thought that got turned off ... going to get noisy while I try remembering how to do something ...
[22:17] <knome> flocculant, i poked many places in the article - mostly just saying things in a better form
[22:18] <flocculant> well - depends if it still says what I want it to ;)
[22:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: K, was going to take a vcs snapshot of Debian.
[22:18] <flocculant> oh my
[22:19] <flocculant> read that as vlc and shuddered violently
[22:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: good deal
[22:19] <Unit193> Yeeeah, not touching VLC.  Was thinking about doing xscreensaver merge, if I can line up a sponsor.
[22:20] <bluesabre> bbiab
[22:20] <slickymaster> I am now knome
[22:20] <slickymaster> evening all
[22:20] <flocculant> hi slickymaster
[22:20] <slickymaster> hey flocculant
[22:21] <knome> slickymaster, see the discussion about contributor docs just begore that ping
[22:21]  * slickymaster goes through the backlog
[22:21] <knome> *before
[22:21] <knome> flocculant, should do
[22:26] <slickymaster> I don't disagree at all, knome
[22:26] <slickymaster> flocculant ^^
[22:27] <knome> ok
[22:27] <slickymaster> tbh today I took a look at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ and it's a big wall of thext
[22:27] <knome> slickymaster, some of that is totally moving to the contributor docs
[22:28] <knome> slickymaster, that's part of the reason we want one :P
[22:28] <slickymaster> thing is, pages tend to grow
[22:28] <slickymaster> not the other way around
[22:28] <knome> once we have that, we can keep the stuff on the website at minimum
[22:28] <knome> even just one page
[22:28] <slickymaster> yeah, and even though Unit193could be right about the docbook markup value, we do have it now
[22:29] <slickymaster> ãnd we already have a structure build with it
[22:29] <slickymaster> so it's only natural to use it, imo
[22:29] <flocculant> slickymaster: "big wall of thext" which is why I'm wanting to do something else
[22:29] <knome> flocculant, as i just said... ;)
[22:29] <slickymaster> yeaps, and that's why I agree with you two
[22:29] <flocculant> probably - fighting trello too ... ;)
[22:30] <slickymaster> hm hm
[22:30] <knome> flocculant, stop typing, you'll just end up repeating me anyway!
[22:30] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[22:30] <slickymaster> and besides, we do have a few of us able to cope with docbook markup anyway
[22:31]  * slickymaster is +1 on that idea
[22:31] <flocculant> the other day I did fight with the current qa page and docbook so can get a draft on there pretty swiftly to see how it pans out
[22:33] <slickymaster> flocculant, practice makes perfection
[22:33] <flocculant> perfect
[22:33] <flocculant> :p
[22:33] <slickymaster> ok ok :P
[22:34] <Unit193> slickymaster: My point wasn't that the docs could be something other than docbook, but that we wouldn't have to use it with new stuff.
[22:34] <Unit193> flocculant: As knome pointed out to me, if people don't like the notifications, it's simple to ignore.  Unless there's another issue.
[22:35] <flocculant> nah - not too worried you all know I do something then kill it and have another go :p
[22:36] <Unit193> (Notices don't get logged nor ping me. :D )
[22:37] <slickymaster> ok Unit193, I misinterpreted you
[22:37] <flocculant> Unit193: yep - saw that afterwards :p
[22:37] <slickymaster> flocculant, are these already made tests your's? http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/350/builds/105268/testcases
[22:38] <slickymaster> * yours
[22:38] <flocculant> knome: ack - that works for me - I'm logged in and can press the button
[22:38] <flocculant> slickymaster: those are the pkg testsuites we're using this cycle yes
[22:39] <slickymaster> that's not what I'm asking flocculant
[22:39] <flocculant> ok - what are you asking then - not sure what you mean :)
[22:40] <slickymaster> what I'm asking is if it was you who run them and report the bugs?
[22:40] <flocculant> oic
[22:40] <flocculant> a couple - akxwi did a bunch too
[22:41] <slickymaster> there are already three tests registred
[22:41] <slickymaster> ok
[22:41] <slickymaster> correction, six tests
[22:41] <flocculant> yep
[22:42] <Unit193> I got a VM on xenial at least..
[22:42] <slickymaster> I'll run a couple tomorrow
[22:42] <ochosi> evening all
[22:42] <slickymaster> evening ochosi
[22:43] <flocculant> evening ochosi :)
[22:44] <flocculant> knome: also - thanks for looking and those changes - should trust you more :p
[22:49] <Unit193> bluesabre: I presume you saw new python is default?
[22:54] <flocculant> right - I'm just flailing about now :p
[22:55] <flocculant> knome: not sure if you wanted to do anymore to that page - if not I'm happy for that to publish
[22:55] <flocculant> night all :)
[22:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, what about libdvdcss2 and gst1.0 for restricted?
[22:57] <slickymaster> night flocculant
[23:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'm no longer maintaining -pa- for trusty. :P
[23:26] <bluesabre> back
[23:26] <Unit193> Wow, yer slow, SwissBot.
[23:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes, python3 is now default for xenial, catfish, menulibre, mugshot should all be functional
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: 3.4*
[23:27] <bluesabre> 3.4?
[23:27] <bluesabre> I thought 3.5 was the goal
[23:27] <Unit193> Fine, that's the one! :P
[23:27] <Unit193> !info python3 xenial
[23:28]  * bluesabre might be wrong
[23:28] <Unit193> Nope, you're good.
[23:28] <bluesabre> woot
[23:30] <bluesabre> and oh yeah, libdvdcss2 exists now
[23:31] <ochosi> +1 on Unit193's suggestions
[23:31] <bluesabre> Unit193 is on a roll lately
[23:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Been tracking that since saucy or so. :P
[23:32] <bluesabre> :D
[23:32] <bluesabre> hi ochosi
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, it's cooler, I'm finally up and running again. :P
[23:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://sigma.unit193.net/source/gmusicbrowser_1.1.15~ds0-0ubuntu1.dsc ?
[23:32] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[23:32] <bluesabre> Unit193: great stuff, I've been slightly less useful the past few days, hoping to have a burst of productivity this weekend
[23:33] <ochosi> btw, not sure what that thing really is that i linked there on g+, i just remembered that elementary had developed a small helper to login on wifis that need that
[23:33] <ochosi> and if it's only that it could be interesting
[23:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I'd have to take a better look at it (take an elementary iso to starbucks)
[23:34] <Unit193> bluesabre: Review?
[23:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll take a look now
[23:34] <Unit193> Danke.
[23:38] <bluesabre> initial review looks good
[23:38] <bluesabre> building it now
[23:49] <bluesabre> Unit193: builds cleanly, installs fine, runs, still crashes on close, so it seems no worse than where we currently stand :)
[23:49] <Unit193> "Great"
[23:55] <Unit193> Ubuntu Installer (5K) [ubuntu/xenial-proposed] gmusicbrowser 1.1.15~ds0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)   :3
[23:58] <bluesabre> yay


[15:49] <StudioUser70> Hi everyone!!!
[15:51] <StudioUser70> i have a question...
[15:51] <StudioUser70> i am new with Ubuntu Studio, and i wanted to know if there's a way to install it on arm
[15:55] <oerheks> hi StudioUser70 , there is no arm iso with studio, but ..
[15:55] <oerheks> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-studio-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-20-04
[15:55] <oerheks> use the server arm iso, and follow that guide?
[15:57] <StudioUser70> thanks, i'll try that
[16:23] <StudioUser16> Greetings
[16:28] <ChrisUK> Greetings


[09:26] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r997 intrepid-proposed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-14 kernels.
[09:42] <CIA-4> debian-installer: cjwatson * r998 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu29
[10:13] <CIA-4> localechooser: cjwatson * r147 ubuntu/ (16 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 2.11
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[10:32] <wolferz> Is there a way to "undo"  something synaptic did?
[10:34] <davmor2> wolferz: #ubuntu is the general channel for help this is a dedicated channel for the installer process
[10:35] <wolferz> ahh, I apologize, I took install to be installations of packages as well as the actual distro
[10:38] <davmor2> wolferz: No sorry.  #ubuntu will help though you may wish to point out what you did too though
[12:09] <corecode> hey
[12:09] <corecode> cjwatson: you around?
[12:10] <cjwatson> yes, though going out for lunch shortly. On IRC it's best to just talk and not mind if you don't get a response until hours later ...
[12:10] <corecode> yah i know
[12:10] <corecode> d-i partman-auto/method string lvm
[12:10] <corecode> d-i partman-auto-lvm/guided_size string 20GB
[12:10] <corecode> d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic
[12:11] <corecode> that's the relevant portion
[12:11] <corecode> doesn't change the size of / though, / will use up all space on the volume
[12:11] <cjwatson> ok, the preseeding looks correct. Can I see syslog+partman with DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer please?
[12:12] <corecode> i'll try that.  will the log be preserved after installing?
[12:12] <corecode> or do i have to copy it out before rebooting
[12:12] <cjwatson> note that DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer will include *all* debconf activity including passwords, so I recommend modifying your preseed to use innocuous values
[12:12] <cjwatson> the logs will be preserved in the /var/log/installer/ directoyr
[12:12] <cjwatson> directory
[12:12] <corecode> okay
[12:12] <corecode> thanks
[12:12] <corecode> will take a couple of minutes to install though
[12:12] <corecode> also, auto-install/defaultroot doesn't work for me
[12:13] <corecode> seems the installer doesn't run the autoinstall part
[12:13] <corecode> what i mean is, i can't set url=hostname to make it install.
[12:13] <corecode> but that's a different thing
[12:13] <cjwatson> auto-install doesn't work in Ubuntu
[12:13] <corecode> i see
[12:14] <cjwatson> just set the network stuff on the kernel command line
[12:14] <corecode> yah, works sufficiently well
[13:23] <corecode> http://documents.epfl.ch/users/s/sc/schubert/www/partman
[13:23] <corecode> http://documents.epfl.ch/users/s/sc/schubert/www/syslog
[15:23] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r100 future/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[15:23] <CIA-4> usb-creator: Manage mountpoints. Unmount any devices mounted by usb-creator on failure or exit.
[15:23] <CIA-4> usb-creator: Once again check for sufficient free space on the target device and update the frontend accordingly.
[15:26] <cjwatson> corecode: I need you to run the installer through a little further before extracting the logs; you seem to have given me logs from right after the preseed file is read - I need to see what the partitioner does too
[15:27] <corecode> that's all i have
[15:27] <corecode> the full installation
[15:28] <corecode> syslog covers from boot to reboot
[15:28] <corecode> cjwatson: do you need something else?
[15:34] <cjwatson> oh, sorry, I think the download got truncated
[15:52] <corecode> it is 8 mb large
[15:58] <cjwatson> I did curl blah | less and obviously waited too long before telling less to go to end of file
[16:02] <corecode> nevermind :)
[17:40] <CIA-4> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r220 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog perform_recipe_by_lvm): Make partman-auto-lvm/guided_size preseedable.
[17:41] <cjwatson> corecode: so, err, yeah, this was a bug, sorry.
[17:42] <cjwatson> corecode: with a bit of creativity, you might be able to use preseed/early_command to bodge the fix from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto-lvm/ubuntu/revision/220 into the running installer
[17:42] <cjwatson> the path to the relevant file in the installer environment is /bin/perform_recipe_by_lvm
[17:43] <corecode> i see
[17:43] <corecode> will you roll a new installer at some point?
[17:44] <corecode> i mean, one that gets picked up by the netinstaller
[17:44] <cjwatson> not for jaunty
[17:45] <cjwatson> well, probably not; I'm not sure I can justify this as a release-critical thing that justifies a stable update
[17:45] <cjwatson> we have quite a high bar for that kind of change
[17:45] <corecode> oh
[17:47] <cjwatson> it'll be in karmic of course
[17:49] <cjwatson> should be possible to grab a copy of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/partman-auto-lvm/ubuntu/download/cjwatson%40canonical.com-20090505164031-xv31hanv1w3fm4qr/perform_recipe_by_lv-20061127181313-x5wza1qumbsi91v1-12/perform_recipe_by_lvm, and get a preseed script to stick that into the installer at run-time
[17:56] <corecode> not such an easy thing i guess
[17:56] <corecode> well maybe
[17:56] <corecode> i could just preseed-fetch the replacement
[17:59] <cjwatson> yeah, should be straightforward enough
[17:59] <cjwatson> or you have wget :)
[17:59] <corecode> so that goes into /bin?
[18:00] <cjwatson> yeah
[18:01] <corecode> do you have a clever way to specify "first hdd" instead of telling the system /dev/sda?
[18:01] <corecode> (unrelated)
[18:03] <cjwatson> define first :-)
[18:04] <cjwatson> in general, disk probe order isn't well-defined
[18:04] <corecode> the one that would be booted from, ideally
[18:04] <cjwatson> mm, it would be awfully nice if Linux had that information
[18:04] <cjwatson> (that's serious, not sarcastic)
[18:04] <corecode> yah
[18:05] <corecode> well, i guess i'm more concerned with /dev/sda vs /dev/hda
[18:05] <cjwatson> if there's only one disk in your system, you can just leave partman-auto/disk unset
[18:06] <cjwatson> if you have more than one, then you can do something like this: d-i partman/early_command string debconf-set partman-auto/disk "$(list-devices disk | head -n1)"
[18:06] <corecode> yah, i think we have two
[18:06] <cjwatson> (that's untested)
[18:06] <corecode> ah, list-devices
[18:07] <corecode> thanks
[18:08] <corecode> now let's see whether that works
[18:11] <corecode> hm.  doesn't seem that that worked
[18:12] <corecode> could it be that preseed/early_command is run too early?
[18:12] <corecode> so that my replacement gets overwritten?
[18:12] <cjwatson> partman/early_command, not preseed/early_command - that wasn't a typo :)
[18:13] <cjwatson> partman/early_command is a special thing that runs after disks are detected but just before the partitioner starts
[18:13] <corecode> yah, i'm talking about the script replacement
[18:13] <cjwatson> oh, right
[18:13] <cjwatson> uh, yeah, it could well be - try doing that in partman/early_command as well
[18:13] <cjwatson> menu-item-numbers.txt says:
[18:13] <cjwatson> 2100 network-preseed
[18:14] <cjwatson> 2300 [...] download-installer
[18:14] <cjwatson> so indeed
[18:21] <corecode> hm.
[18:21] <corecode> doesn't seem to work
[18:22] <corecode> ah my fault
[18:25] <corecode> nice!
[18:25] <corecode> works
[18:27] <cjwatson> oh good
[18:39] <corecode> thanks!
[18:59] <SiDi> Hello folks
[18:59] <SiDi> I'd like to know what happens exactly at the "Analysing the mirror" step of the installer
[19:00] <SiDi> its stuck at 82% with that phrase, 3 times out of 4 so far, installing Xubuntu 9.04 in a vm
[20:16] <cjwatson> SiDi: the easiest way to tell would be to get /var/log/syslog from the installer; you can extract it by switching to tty2, running 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb', and using scp to copy it out
[20:16] <cjwatson> SiDi: the installer doesn't have any messages that read "Analysing the mirror", as far as I can see - are you translating this back to English from another language?
[20:17] <cjwatson> "Scanning the mirror...", perhaps?
[20:18] <cjwatson> it's basically doing an 'apt-get update' there, although it's supposed to tweak the timeout down to be reasonable; it could be that the mirror is responding for you but is just very slow
[20:22] <SiDi> cjwatson: yeh
[20:22] <SiDi> Scanning probably
[20:23] <SiDi> i'm behind a firewall, but i didnt have the problem when i was installing 8.10 vms, behind the same firewall
[20:23] <cjwatson> I wouldn't mind seeing the syslog, if possible
[20:23] <SiDi> cjwatson: the vm died :P i'll make another and send you the syslog, sec
[20:23] <cjwatson> could be a regression of some kind, or it could just be "normal" slowness
[20:23] <SiDi> i got an horrible bandwidth
[20:24] <SiDi> but i dont understand why it doesnt drop on that
[20:24] <SiDi> cause obviously it wouldnt hang for more than 15 mins if i didnt have the internet
[20:24] <cjwatson> if it's getting anything, even at a very low rate, it'll keep going
[20:25] <cjwatson> if you have no (working) internet access at all, it ought to give up quickly
[20:25] <cjwatson> it's a pretty tough judgement call when it is getting something
[20:25] <SiDi> I see
[20:25] <SiDi> i should disable eth0 from the VM before installing then
[20:25] <SiDi> maybe you could add a 'cancel' button for this step too
[20:25] <SiDi> i saw there was one for when it downloads the locales
[20:27] <SiDi> Do you still want a syslog ?
[20:35] <cjwatson> yes please
[20:35] <cjwatson> I thought there was a cancel button already
[20:35] <cjwatson> are you installing from the alternate CD or the desktop CD?
[20:35] <cjwatson> hmm
[20:35] <cjwatson>   * Disable option to cancel progress bar as there are issues with it.
[20:36] <cjwatson> helpful referencing in that changelog entry
[20:36] <cjwatson> # Option to cancel an action does not currently work:
[20:36] <cjwatson> # - application does not seem to always react to a cancel signal
[20:36] <cjwatson> # - debconf-apt-progress does not exit with code 30 when cancelled
[20:36] <cjwatson> # - even if it did, the exit code would be mangled by in-target
[20:36] <cjwatson> # See also thread http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/01/msg00094.html
[20:36] <SiDi> Desktop, Xubuntu
[20:37] <SiDi> i'll do this asap then
[20:37] <cjwatson> nah, don't bother with the syslog now, if it's just for the absence of the cancel button
[20:38] <SiDi> i got another VM running and vbox doesn't want me to run another VM since i'm using VT-x
[20:38] <SiDi> okay then :p
[20:38] <cjwatson> as that thread notes, there are some underlying problems that mean we can't offer it yet
[20:38] <cjwatson> unfortunately
[20:40] <cjwatson> bug 172879, which I'll target for karmic
[20:43] <SiDi> Great :)
[20:43] <SiDi> wow, its been there for a while
[20:43] <cjwatson> sure, most non-trivial bugs have
[20:44] <CIA-4> console-setup: cjwatson * r104 ubuntu/ (29 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 1.33
[20:51] <CIA-4> console-setup: cjwatson * r105 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto): merge from Debian 1.34
[21:23] <CIA-4> console-setup: cjwatson * r106 ubuntu/debian/ (console-setup.initramfs-hook console-setup.initramfs-top): update for boottime.kmap.gz -> cached.kmap.gz change
[21:26] <CIA-4> console-setup: cjwatson * r107 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.34ubuntu1
[23:27] <SiDi> Good bye


[09:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS>  hey brobostigon
[10:02] <brobostigon> hi MartijnVdS
[10:09] <beilby> just taken just taken OSMC image from 4GB SD to 16GB SD it boots & works, is there a way to resize from Ubuntu to enable me to use all of the 16GB card please?
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> beilby: there probably is, what's OSMC?
[10:10] <beilby> raspberry pi distro
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> beilby: if you plug the SD into an Ubuntu machine, you can resize/move the partition(s) using the "gnome-disks" or "gparted" tools
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> (I prefer gparted myself)
[10:12] <brobostigon> if memory serves, with raspbian for the pi, there was a tool built into it, to resize itself.
[10:14] <beilby> yes, I am looking for that too, stuggling though
[10:20] <beilby> I guess I want to
[10:20] <beilby> osmc@osmc:~$ df -h
[10:20] <beilby> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:20] <beilby> /dev/root       3.4G  819M  2.4G  26% /
[10:20] <beilby> devtmpfs         63M     0   63M   0% /dev
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M     0   67M   0% /dev/shm
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M  4.4M   62M   7% /run
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs           5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[10:20] <beilby> tmpfs            67M     0   67M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[10:20] <beilby> /dev/mmcblk0p1  240M   16M  224M   7% /boot
[10:21] <beilby> tmpfs            14M     0   14M   0% /run/user/1000
[10:21] <beilby> dev/root 3.4GB
[10:22] <beilby> resize2fs is there
[14:27]  * penguin42 is glad he went for a nice walk yesterday - it's cold and horrid today
[14:31] <Laney> today and the rest of the week :(
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's summer, of course it's miserable outside :-)
[14:38] <knightwise> just started to rain outside. Not considering this "summer" :)
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> I can't wait to be sat in the queue to Folkstone whilst the rain lashes down. With two dogs. Who will probably be desperate for the lav....
[15:15] <Nokaji> Any recommendations on blu ray media and best prices, I need a few rewritable and some write_once. I'm new to the BR market so any other advice such as buy verbatim or avoid LTH also welcome.
[15:28]  * penguin42 turns the heating up and switches gas tarrif
[16:11]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if if it might be cheaper to announce on social media that you are looking for cheaper gas, wait for all the bumpf to arrive through letterbox and burn it to keep warm... :-)
[16:12] <penguin42> haha possible
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> maybe mention planning a big order for marshmallows for local scout groups for a few free bags of marshmallows to toast over the free fire... :-p
[16:20] <TwistedLucidity> Sorting home insurance. Such a total PITA.
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> cheaper to install a scorpion/crocodile pit :-)
[18:20] <diddledan> allo
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[18:27] <ging> has anyone ever used a cd as an apt source after install on 14.04 or newer ?
[18:34] <penguin42> no, but it should be possible, normally it leaves a commented out thing in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:40] <ging> only trouble is i still can't get it to work, since 14.04 the default mountpoint for cds is /media/$user/ it used to be /media/ which seems to be where apt still expects it to be
[18:42] <ging> i filed a bug 6 months ago but i don't seem to be able to convince anyone that this is a real problem
[18:42] <penguin42> but then how is apt supposed to know which user will present the CD
[18:42] <penguin42> ging: What is the line you have in /etc/apt/sources.list for cdrom?
[18:44] <penguin42> ging: But I have to agree that my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00CDMountPoint still points to /media/cdrom
[18:45] <ging> penguin42: there is nothing there currently i cleaned it all out and tried to add it via the software centre and you just don't seem to be able to do it unless you hack fstab and force it to mount to /media instead
[18:47] <penguin42> ging:    http://paste.ubuntu.com/11943567/
[18:47] <penguin42> ging: Looks like you can specify the path
[18:48] <penguin42> ging: Or use the apt-cdrom command to do it
[18:49] <ging> when i tried it before i was able to add it by specifying the path, but when it ccame to trying installing a package from it it went back to expecting to find it at the default mount point
[18:49] <penguin42> hmm
[18:55] <ging> i don't understand how it's not an issue which as got more attention, because it doesn't seem to be an obscure set of hardware or config which causes it, it seem to be an issue on any machine
[18:56] <diddledan> ging: it's not a common thing to do
[18:57] <diddledan> most computers are connected to the net so installing direct from the mirror is standard practice
[18:57] <penguin42> it's not unheard of though
[18:58] <diddledan> no, but if you're futsing around trying to get packages installed in an offline-only scenario then you can usually figure out how to install the deb packages manually
[18:58] <penguin42> mind you there's a guy on #ubuntu-offtopic who just installed an ancient thinkpad using a thumb drive over USB-1.1 - ouch
[18:58] <diddledan> jeebers
[18:59] <diddledan> the answer is to just plug the thing into the net
[19:00] <penguin42> yeh that's what I said
[19:01] <ging> i need to distribute some packages offline, and having to have a work around for people to be able to use the cds is something of a pain
[19:02] <diddledan> why not use apt-mirror?
[19:02] <diddledan> do you _really_ _need_ to distribute packages offline?
[19:03]  * penguin42 can see he might need to
[19:03] <penguin42> I've come across machines with some broadcom ether which you need to install stuff before the net will wake up
[19:03] <diddledan> yeah but in those cases you don't do it via apt
[19:03] <diddledan> you download the single package you need and install it with dpkg
[19:04] <d3ngar> Hi there, I'm experiencing a strange issue: when I plug in my USB network adapter I do not resolve host names anymore. Any ideas why that is?
[19:04] <diddledan> d3ngar: you'll have to be more specific I think
[19:04] <diddledan> d3ngar: what do you do, what do you expect, what really happens?
[19:04] <d3ngar> diddledan: mmm, what can I say: I can still browse with IP addresses
[19:05] <d3ngar> I have a USB network adapter for my laptop, it doesn't have a normal ethernet card - only WiFi
[19:05] <d3ngar> And so to use a wired connection, I use this USB ethernet adapter.
[19:05] <d3ngar> It connects fine, identifies the device and all that, but it just won't resolve host names.
[19:06] <diddledan> ok. when you use wireless you can connect using hostnames?
[19:06] <d3ngar> yep
[19:06] <penguin42> d3ngar: and where did you plug the ethernet cable in?
[19:06] <d3ngar> In my home router. It's one of those Sky things
[19:06] <d3ngar> But to be honest,the issue came up at work first
[19:06] <d3ngar> There it was some other router
[19:07] <d3ngar> Same problem though
[19:07] <penguin42> d3ngar: What happens if you switch wireless off, and then plug the ethernet in?
[19:07] <d3ngar> Same thing
[19:07] <d3ngar> Actually, I only disconnected the WiFi
[19:07] <d3ngar> Didn't completely switch it off
[19:07] <diddledan> have you perhaps toggled the thingy in network-manager that tells it not to use your dhcp-supplied dns config or perhaps set a static dns config?
[19:08] <d3ngar> Just checked: no
[19:08] <d3ngar> It's pretty much left as it was from the installation
[19:09] <d3ngar> And the issue just suddenly appeared
[19:09] <d3ngar> What's really bizzare to me is that I can still browse the internet using IP addresses
[19:09] <penguin42> not bizarre if DNS is broken
[19:09] <d3ngar> So it has t oahve something to do with how the DNS settings are refreshed
[19:09] <d3ngar> yes
[19:10] <d3ngar> Bizarre even (or not so)
[19:12] <ging> i used to have a problem with openvpn breaking resolvconf i suspect it is a similar thing
[19:12] <d3ngar> Isn't resolvconf meant to refresh when I plug the cable in?
[19:14] <ging> meant to, but things seem to go wrong with it
[19:14] <d3ngar> Can I trigger that manually?
[19:15] <ging> it's quite hard to do manually first i'd check that resolv.conf is still symlink and hasn't been overwriten with a file
[19:16] <d3ngar> It is still a symlink
[19:16] <ging> that was the problem i had, all the fiddling with resolvconf was doing nothing
[19:17] <ging> is the namesever in the file localhost or something else?
[19:17] <d3ngar> yes, well <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:17] <d3ngar> At the moment, at leasr
[19:18] <d3ngar> I'm using the WLAN
[19:18] <penguin42> but that's ok, ubuntu normally sets up a local DNS cache thing
[19:18] <d3ngar> I have also noticed that I cannot ifdown or ifup. It keeps saying that it's not configured
[19:18] <d3ngar> Either interface
[19:19]  * penguin42 is expecting nm is managing it
[19:19] <d3ngar> Albeit they are definitely configured and working
[19:22] <d3ngar> Seems like I'm out again
[19:22] <d3ngar> More strange, I tried the cable again to see what might happen
[19:23] <d3ngar> to the resolve.conf. I stayed connected, but then after 1 minute it dropped.
[19:24] <daftykins> i purge resolvconf and just edit the file by hand to avoid drama
[19:28] <ging> using vi or a magnetized needle and a steady hand?
[19:29] <zmoylan-pi> butterflies or nothing!! :-)
[19:29] <daftykins> well, nano
[19:29] <daftykins> i don't see the sense in text editors you have to learn :P
[19:31]  * zmoylan-pi wonders what text editor daftykins was reared on without learning...
[19:31] <ging> you still have to learn most of the shortcut in nano, it's just a bit easier to figure out how to do simple edits
[19:31] <penguin42> ging: The first 5-10 years of vi is the worst, after that you get to like it.
[19:31] <daftykins> now you're just being facetious.
[19:32]  * penguin42 is on about his 27th year of vi I think
[19:32] <ging> i seem to have to constantly switch between vi and nano because there are things i know how to do in vi and not nano but nano is eaiser for most other things
[19:33] <penguin42> ging: Here, have a simple summary of vi I wrote ages ago; http://www.treblig.org/talks/vitalk/index.html
[19:33] <penguin42> there are others available
[19:34] <ging> can you write one for nano too?
[19:34] <penguin42> no, if you need a summary for nano you're beyond help
[19:41] <diddledan> ergh, I hate that - it would seem that the dns information is only available via dbus with a network-manager interface
[19:41] <diddledan> I don't know, then, how to get at it
[19:41] <diddledan> it _used_ to be saved in /var/run or /run
[19:41] <diddledan> now it seems it's config-fileless
[19:43] <diddledan> I miss the days when everything was a transparent config file away. now it's all via opaque services talking to each other with no way of knowing what they're up to
[19:43] <ging> they are sending all your internets to amazon
[19:44] <diddledan> huh?
[19:45] <penguin42> diddledan: Yay for SunOS4 days :-)
[19:46] <ging> it's all so you can't see that your local machine has be replaced wit ha dumb terminal and everything is going on in the amazon cloud and everything you do is being watched so they know when you are most vulnerable to targetted adverts
[19:46] <diddledan> I get the idea behind it is for things to "just work" but it makes it completely impossible to diagnose when it doesn't "just work"
[19:47] <diddledan> amazon don't advertise
[19:47] <penguin42> maybe /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf ?
[19:47] <diddledan> you're thinking of google
[19:47] <ging> for chromebooks it's google for ubuntu it's amazon
[19:48]  * penguin42 thinks ging is referring to the search term thing
[19:48] <diddledan> penguin42: nope that's the resolv.conf used to point the nss to look at <IP_ADDRESS> where there should be a dnsmasq listening - I'm looking for the dnsmasq config to ask d3ngar to pastebin but it doesn't exist
[19:49] <ging> network manage does it or something
[19:49] <penguin42> ah, yeh I've got dnsmasq disabled on this box
[19:50] <diddledan> penguin42: I'm thinking there's a discrepency between his two network configurations for dns
[19:50] <diddledan> but I can't prove it without no files
[19:51] <penguin42> nod
[19:51] <penguin42> right, time to disappear - back to work tomorrow
[20:11] <d3ngar> In the end it started to work! By itself no less...
[20:11] <d3ngar> I wonder for how long or why it wasn't working before
[22:51] <daftykins> wow
[22:51] <daftykins> Myrtti: bit funked up there.
[22:58] <Myrtti> yeah
[23:02] <m0nkey_> Myrtti husband is messing with the internet connection again.


[00:00] <cjohnston> nope.. just Jellow
[00:00] <cjohnston> Hellow
[00:04] <nigel_nb> oh, hey pleia2 :)
[11:03] <Sagaci> does this channel and it's service have anything to do with the ubuntu certified professional courwe
[11:03] <Sagaci> course*
[12:36] <cjohnston> Sagaci: no it does not.. Sorry.
[15:17] <pleia2> cjohnston: for reference, it's #ubuntu-training that folks want for certified stuff
[15:18] <pleia2> not sure how useful it would be to them since work isn't really done there often, but that is the right channel :)
[15:19] <cjohnston> oh cool... :-)
[15:19]  * cjohnston wants to get certified.. anyone got some money to get me certified?
[15:19] <pleia2> hehe
[15:20] <cjohnston> how was your christmas?
[15:22] <pleia2> calm :)
[15:22] <pleia2> yours?
[15:23] <cjohnston> uneventful.. the way I like it.. the kids enjoyed getting gifts. the grandparents enjoyed spending time with the kids.. what more can I ask for? oh ya... a nap would have been nice
[15:24] <pleia2> hehe
[15:24] <pleia2> how old are your kids?
[15:25] <cjohnston> my daughter is 4 and my boy will be 2 next month
[15:25] <pleia2> cool
[16:29] <nigel_nb> hey everyone :)
[16:51] <nigel_nb> Pendulum and pleia2, hope you both had a great Christmas :)
[20:27] <cjohnston> doctormo: ping


[00:49] <Thorby> hi all
[00:49] <Thorby> are nicknames registerable here?
[00:57] <seronis> yup
[01:01] <Thorby> oh cool
[01:01] <Thorby> is it /register [nick]
[01:01] <Thorby> ?
[01:02] <seronis> i think   /msg nickserv register [email] [password]
[01:02] <seronis> omit the two optional arguments and it should spam back an error msg with the syntax
[01:03] <Thorby> cool
[01:03] <Thorby> nickserv replied
[01:03] <Thorby> Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email>
[01:03] <seronis> ok i was backwards then =-)
[01:04] <Thorby> It's all good,.
[01:04] <Thorby> I'll be here a while so I'd thought to keep my nick constant
[01:05] <seronis> random:  but do you want a 48hr pass code for crunchyroll.com ?
[01:06] <seronis> logged in to see if crunchy has any issues in xubuntu and noticed i have a couple saved up
[01:36] <brauleinchen> FLTK 1.3, i need that its not int he repo, where do I get it?
[01:48] <scarecrow_> I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) wifi adapter that worked with 12.xx, not working under 13.04. can i get some help with it?
[01:49] <scarecrow_> i in additional drivers there was a mention of it not working and recommended i install the STA driver. after reboot, still no WiFi
[01:55] <TheMaster> !bcm | seen this?
[01:56] <scarecrow_> yeah just found it and am going through it right now thanks
[02:03] <TheMaster> scarecrow_: Worked pretty good for me, another BCM43 card.
[02:04] <scarecrow_> i wonder why it worked with no trouble on 12
[02:18] <Thorby> mm he quit
[02:18] <Thorby> i had wifi woes too
[02:18] <Thorby> bbl
[03:06] <scarecrow_> i have installed the driver for my canon pixma mx310 all in one. its a networked printer attached to a windows PC. driver installed, print jobs claim to finish without error, but nothing prints / no reaction from the printer. any ideas? works from other networked windows PCs
[03:25] <scarecrow_> fixed.  was sending the job to the fax instead of the printer
[08:03] <nyuszika7h> hi, is it possible to order the app list on the top panel in first-started-first order, and possibly with an option to rearrange them by dragging?
[08:35] <Inoki> Anybody managed to get the Friends App working on Xubuntu?
[08:38] <Inoki> Or is that only suited for Gnome / Unity.
[08:46] <[uzver]> Inoki: oh, so many dependences with qt4, qt5 libs
[08:54] <Inoki> I followed this guide: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/install-friends-app-gwibber-rewritten.html
[08:55] <Inoki> But in the end it says, that I don't have any accounts registered and the account module is something to add to Xubuntu, but is Gnome specific I believe.
[08:55] <[uzver]> Inoki: gnome-online-accounts or so maybe?
[08:56] <Inoki> Need to check,
[08:56] <Inoki> Got that package installed.
[08:57] <Inoki> But Ubuntu w/ Unity has this option where you add accounts. Can't find that in Xubuntu.
[08:57] <[uzver]> Inoki: can u open gnome online accounts?
[08:58] <Inoki> [uzver]: nope.
[08:58] <[uzver]> Inoki: i think its a part of gnome control center
[08:59] <Inoki> [uzver]: yeah...... guess so, so it's Gnome specific and would load a bunch of "extras" and that I don't want.
[09:01] <Inoki> [uzver]: hm, just checked, not really that many, giving it a shot.
[09:03] <Inoki> [uzver]: still accounts don't show up in gnome-control-center
[09:05] <[uzver]> Inoki: might be need to run gnome-settings-daemon or so, imho it's not worth it
[09:05] <Inoki> [uzver]: yeah, kinda. Pity some apps don't run that easy under other DEs.
[09:11] <onr> friends app, gnome online account, etc. all sound horrible :D
[09:11] <[uzver]> :-D
[09:19] <Inoki> Yea, well I kind of like the concept of being able to post in multiple accounts. So I guess still Google's Chrome apps are the best. Can anyone recommend something where one can have multiple FB accounts / Pages / Twitter running and post to all at once?
[09:20] <onr> while i don't have any of those accounts, they support cross-posting i guess
[09:22] <[uzver]> Inoki: fb and twitter https://support.twitter.com/articles/31113-how-to-use-twitter-with-facebook
[09:23] <Inoki> That I'm familiar with. I was hoping for something like Hootsuite.
[09:23] <Inoki> Because I'll be posting content on behalf of many people on many accounts, so having them all in one window would help.
[09:24] <onr> i would use browser plugins that lets you have multiple cookie arrays for same website
[09:27] <Inoki> onr: I'm looking for something like this: http://tinyw.in/VrPC
[09:28] <Inoki> onr: hence Friends. It's almost the same.
[09:29] <Inoki> onr: or http://tinyw.in/2f5c
[09:30] <Inoki> This is why I wanted Friends to get working, since it's a native Linux app.
[09:46] <carrera> Greetings!  :)
[09:46] <[uzver]> Hi!
[09:47] <carrera> What's the best way of monitoring CPU  and other temps?  Should I install the Gnome sensors-applet?
[09:48] <[uzver]> xfce have its own panel applets
[09:49] <[uzver]> just install xfce4-goodies :)
[09:49] <carrera> okay, I couldn't find the temp applet under Panel->Add New Items
[09:50] <carrera> oh, ok!  :)
[09:50] <anonymous> hello everybody
[09:51] <[uzver]> hi!
[09:51] <carrera> Hi!
[09:51] <lelz> how are we enjoying raring?
[09:52] <tgy_xubi> Hi carrera...I suggest you to use the conky program for monitoring CPU, RAM, disk, Temps...I use XUbuntu and i'm very satisfied about it
[09:52] <lelz> this whole gnu+linux stuff is new to me
[09:52] <lelz> what can you tell a beginner?
[09:53] <tgy_xubi> it's not so easy to configure, but it's extreme configurable
[09:53] <lelz> the whole os? :D
[09:54] <lelz> i put xubuntu on an old laptop and it seems got be working better than windows
[09:54] <lelz> and its free
[09:54] <lelz> at least for this old machine
[09:55] <tgy_xubi> yes, its "very" free! :)
[09:56] <[uzver]> !offtopic | lelz
[09:56] <lelz> ive been warned.
[10:02] <carrera> tgy_xubi, are u sure it's called conky?
[10:02] <tgy_xubi> yes...take a look at:
[10:02] <tgy_xubi> http://conky.sourceforge.net/
[10:02] <carrera> never mind, fount it
[10:02] <carrera> thanks anyway
[10:02] <tgy_xubi> and u can install it with apt packets
[10:03] <tgy_xubi> sudo apt-get install conky-all
[10:03] <knome> just a note that conky is more about *displying* monitoring data, not gathering it (but various conky setups exists to do that for you)
[10:03] <carrera> thanks, doing it through Synaptec
[10:04] <tgy_xubi> for temperature and  fans monitoring install lm_sensors
[10:05] <carrera> already installed
[10:05] <tgy_xubi> and then you can install other plugins such as conkyforecast, conkyemail etc
[10:06] <tgy_xubi> if you search in internet you can find a tons of docs, tricks, configurations and other for conky
[10:07] <tgy_xubi> i hope my suggests can help you
[10:08] <carrera> tgy_xubi, for sure sir, thank u!  :)
[10:08] <tgy_xubi> ;)
[10:08] <carrera> that's it's 3:09 over here in Vancouver and I'm beat.
[10:09] <carrera> Goodnight everyone!  :)
[10:09] <tgy_xubi> good night to u!
[11:38] <kksafak> hi... how can i change the start menu?
[13:28] <xubuntu006> can anyone help me - i have xubuntu last updated - 13.04 on Acer Travelmate - core i7, more then enough ram, video card - intel 3000
[13:28] <xubuntu006> but video playing causing flickering always
[13:28] <xubuntu006> horizontal flickers
[13:29] <[uzver]> xubuntu006: its called "tearing"
[13:29] <xubuntu006> maybe, english is not my native language
[13:30] <xubuntu006> what to do with it?
[13:30] <xubuntu006> uzver, it seems u re russiaN - by your nick?
[13:31] <[uzver]> xubuntu006: yeap)
[13:31] <xubuntu006> можешь подсказать что делать?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> !ru
[13:32] <[uzver]> xubuntu006: try googling with "ubuntu hd 3000 video tearing"
[13:32] <[uzver]> never used intel graphics
[13:33] <xubuntu006> thanks for term, will try
[13:35] <[uzver]> btw, it was nice surprise that with nvidia 319 driver at last no tearing in video, no mature compositor on or off
[13:36] <[uzver]> thx, Linus :-D
[14:08] <Araneidae> Silly question here: where's the update manager on my menus?!
[14:09] <drc> 13.04?
[14:09] <Araneidae> 12.10
[14:10] <xubuntu626> Hi everyone. I need some help because i've a compaq presario CQ57 and i'm trying to install wifi but it doesn't work. Can someone help me ? Thanks
[14:10] <Araneidae> Think I'll trigger the upgrade, but can't find the update manager!
[14:10] <Araneidae> This page: http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/ points me at  Applications -> System -> Update Manager -> Settings but no Applications menu and no Update Manager under the System menu
[14:11] <Araneidae> Clearly I can run `sudo update-manager` ... but why's it not on the menu?
[14:11] <drc> Araneidae:  Applications  is the top level...the little icon in the upper left of the panel.
[14:12] <Araneidae> Ok.  But System only has a strange handful
[14:12] <Araneidae> (can't hold it open while I type) and Update Manager isn't there
[14:13] <[uzver]> xubuntu626: try to ask in #ubuntu channel
[14:13] <Araneidae> Has: Gigolo, IBus, Synaptic Package Manager, Task Manager
[14:14] <Araneidae> Well... they won't have a clue will they?
[14:14] <[uzver]> Araneidae: look in menu>settings manager> software updater
[14:15] <Araneidae> Hahahahaha!
[14:15] <Araneidae> What a good place for it
[14:16] <Araneidae> I don't think it's such a smart location, and the web documentation needs to catch up.  Ah well, question answered
[14:16] <[uzver]> np
[14:17] <drc> Araneidae: They are looking <hard> for folks to help update the documentation...maybe you'd like to help?
[14:21] <moppers> does anyone have experience of a bug where xfce/xubuntu takes about 1/2 minute to shutdown or logout, then randomly doesn't load icons properly next time it starts?
[14:22] <[uzver]> hm... never had/
[14:23] <Araneidae> drc, maybe ... not yet sure Xubuntu is my system of choice though.  Got to go and do the upgrade now ... maybe another time
[14:23] <drc> Thought he'd say no.
[14:25] <[uzver]> drc: what kind of documentation needs to update? language is english?
[14:28] <drc> [uzver]: see http://xubuntu.org/contribute/support_documentation/  I know plea2, et.al., would love to talk to you (also you could ask on #xubuntu-devel )
[14:32] <[uzver]> drc: i've poor english:-(
[14:34] <drc> Then maybe http://xubuntu.org/contribute/translating/ would be more to your skills.  Ask about both, They are really flexable :)
[14:36] <[uzver]> drc:thx i'll try:)
[15:18] <cristiano> Boa tarde pessoal!
[15:18] <cristiano> Preciso de um help!
[15:18] <cristiano> No vlc tem alguma opção que em fullscreen (executando) ele oculte a barra superior do xubuntu 13.04?
[15:21] <knome> !pt | cristiano
[15:49] <nick14> I'm so happy with the thunar update in 13.04, tabs man, tabs!
[15:50] <[uzver]> enjoy:)
[15:50] <kRush> I wish the column-resizing was a bit smarter
[15:50] <nick14> I'm so beside myself I haven't used them, can't just waste the first use.
[15:53] <seronis> first week using Thunar here..  im satisfied with the few things i've needed to do with the custom actions
[15:54] <seronis> shell integration features just seem trivial compared to windows
[16:21] <didrod> bonjour
[16:22] <didrod> des français ? j'ai un problème de wifi
[16:22] <[uzver]> !de
[16:22] <seronis> !fr
[16:22] <kRush> how is this german?
[16:22] <kRush> =D
[16:23] <[uzver]> oops)
[16:24] <drc> It's all greek to him?
[16:25] <seronis> Hmm.. took 5 minutes to figure out how to add a context menu item to grab the public url for my dropbox items
[16:25] <seronis> week 1 in xfce is going well
[16:26] <seronis> and i officially love  xclip
[16:58] <Unit193> nyuszika7h: You figure it out yet?
[17:01] <nyuszika7h> Unit193: nope, not yet
[17:01] <Unit193> Ctrl+right click, sorting order
[17:03] <chewyboy000> Hello?
[17:04] <chewyboy000> Is anyone here?
[17:04] <nyuszika7h> Unit193: thanks
[17:04] <nyuszika7h> chewyboy000: yes
[17:05] <chewyboy000> Is the official latest Java supported with linux (Xubuntu)?
[17:05] <bekks> Yes.
[17:06] <Unit193> Sure.
[17:28] <seronis> whats the difference between  stop/kill/terminate   in task manager ?
[17:28] <seronis> steam froze on load and just 'close' from context menu isnt killing it
[17:33] <xubuntu727> question - currently have 32 bit 12.04, and would like to upgrade it to 64 bit 12.04
[17:33] <xubuntu727> is this possible without blitzing out the harddrive by doing a complete install?
[17:38] <moppers> xubuntu727, that is possible but it is very complex to do: you can reinstall without formatting
[17:38] <moppers> that is what i would recommend
[18:17] <bariumbitmap> Hi, my X server just crashed, and I had to login again.
[18:18] <TheSheep> bariumbitmap: hi, sorry to hear that, how can we help you?
[18:19] <bariumbitmap> Well, I'm just curious--everything works fine now, but apport didn't pop up to deliver any errors.
[18:19] <bariumbitmap> The only thing I noticed is this in dmesg:
[18:19] <bariumbitmap> [231236.128981] doodle[9645]: segfault at 0 ip b7611f81 sp bfdda7bc error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b7594000+1a3000]
[18:20] <bariumbitmap> [231247.516945] doodle[11976]: segfault at 0 ip b7611f81 sp bfdda4fc error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b7594000+1a3000]
[18:20] <TheSheep> bariumbitmap: what graphics driver do you use?
[18:21] <bariumbitmap> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[18:22] <bariumbitmap> I've also got the x-swat ppa installed; maybe that has something to do with it?
[18:22] <bariumbitmap> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu precise main
[18:23] <TheSheep> I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2010223
[18:24] <bariumbitmap> Sweet, thanks!
[18:25] <TheSheep> it may be unrelated though
[18:25] <TheSheep> seems like that error of yours is a pretty general thing
[18:26] <TheSheep> looks like in this particular case it was doodle that crashed
[18:26] <bariumbitmap> Yeah, what is doodle?
[18:26] <TheSheep> !info doodle
[18:27] <bariumbitmap> Oh, right. Could it crash the x-server?
[18:27] <TheSheep> no idea, maybe
[18:27] <TheSheep> but not very likely
[18:27] <TheSheep> but it all interacts in weird ways nowadays
[18:28] <bariumbitmap> I don't need doodle, I just tried it out for a bit, so I think I will just uninstall it and hope for the best.
[18:33] <TheSheep> it more likely crashed due to some bug and didn't even have time to log the error
[18:33] <TheSheep> you could try looking into /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <moppers> i have had x crashing since 13.04
[18:45] <moppers> i thought it was compiz at first but i think it's x
[18:46] <moppers> (i use both unity and xfce)
[18:46] <moppers> as soon as xfce started doign it, i started looking at x
[19:27] <onr> moppers: what does "crash" say?
[19:35] <moppers> onr,  i dont have the logs ATM on this machine, will get them though
[20:07] <brauleinchen> any idea on how to fix this? collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[20:07] <brauleinchen> make[2]: *** [src/fgrun] Error 1
[20:07] <brauleinchen> make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/fgrun.dir/all] Error 2
[20:07] <brauleinchen> make: *** [all] Error 2
[20:09] <xubuntu724> hola
[20:53] <kksafak> hi,
[20:54] <kksafak> banshee dony show me my music files
[20:55] <kksafak> he say me "loading"
[20:55] <kksafak> dony=don't
[20:55] <kksafak> banshee dont show me my music files from my iphone
[21:07] <heoyea> death
[21:23] <moppers> i have a problem with xubuntu
[21:23] <moppers> i can't use thunar as the viking picture frightens me :P
[21:24] <moppers> how easy is it to replace this graphic? (serious question btw)
[21:32] <knome> moppers, i imagine changing /usr/share/pixmaps/Thunar/Thunar-about-logo.png would do it.
[21:35] <moppers> aww thanks
[21:53] <seronis> there is a viking picture ?
[21:53] <knome> !offtopic
[21:54] <seronis> knome, whats the proper place to bringing up a menu icon from a repo installed program being HUGE ?
[21:54] <knome> seronis, file a bug against the application
[21:55] <seronis> !bug
[21:56] <kksafak> hi, where must i give the open dns adress?
[21:57] <kksafak> i am in wifi editing window
[21:58] <kksafak> under IPv4 tab
[21:59] <kksafak> ??
[22:01] <Arpad2> pls, could I get some help how to install driver for mulicolour keyboard?
[22:03] <seronis> kksafak,  i dont know what to edit that for a specific computer with ubuntu installed but I add the DNS addresses directly to my wifi routers settings
[22:04] <seronis> that way any computer in the house will use it without additional setup
[22:05] <kksafak> i want give it on my PC
[22:06] <seronis> well.. 10 seconds of clicking..  left click wifi icon -> edit -> highlight router -> click edit -> ipv4 tab
[22:07] <seronis> and there is a field for adding DNS addresses
[22:08] <seronis> again.. havent actually tried changing it myself.. thats just a quick search
[22:08] <kksafak> ok, if i want give 2 dns adress, can i give the another after coma, example: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:09] <seronis> dont know.  "havent used it myself" after all.  just try it using spaces, semicolons or commas
[22:10] <seronis> it might be smart and accept any delimiter.
[22:10] <knome> comma works
[22:11] <kksafak> ok, thanks
[22:14] <seronis> ""   Xlib: extension "NV-GLX" missing on display  ""
[22:14] <seronis> darn.. so much for not having any errors when setting up dev environment on first try
[22:15] <seronis> so would this be driver related or lib related?    im fairly certain i got  freeglut and freeglut-dev both installed
[22:17] <moppers> Has anyone seen a bug where xubuntu/xfxe takes a while to shut down, and then randomly on restart it comes up in low graphics mode?
[22:18] <seronis> not in the past week that i've had it installed
[22:18] <xubuntu510> I just purchased an inexpensive laptop with Windows 8 and I'm interested in Xubuntu, does anyone have any insights?
[22:18] <seronis> i had Unity do that to me 3 weeks ago from WUBI install
[22:19] <xubuntu510> I'm also interested in knowing the biggest differences in Ubuntu and Xubuntu, thank you...
[22:19] <kksafak> can i use amarok on 13.04
[22:19] <seronis> 510: first week using xubuntu here..  took <20 minutes from creating the LiveUSB to first login after completed install
[22:20] <seronis> 510: also getting chrome beta, dropbox (with shell integration) and some basic things like a slideshow on folders and imgur uploading for screen shots was easy
[22:20] <seronis> about the limit of my stress testing
[22:21] <xubuntu510> Is it best to start with Xubuntu 12.04?
[22:22] <seronis> never used it.  13.04 isnt giving me issues on my aspire laptop yet
[22:22] <seronis> well touchpad was psychotically sensitive when typing, but i just disabled it
[22:22] <seronis> i tend to disable it in windows too
[22:34] <kksafak> i have installed amarok on XU 13.04
[22:35] <kksafak> but if i want open it, he closed instantly
[23:21] <Morph_> Can someone help me really fast? I am going to install Xubuntu on my old windows XP desktop, as well as apache. I need to practice SSH. Would anyone happen to have a link  that can walk me through that?
[23:22] <Morph_> Because it didnt seem to like booting from my flashdrive, so I wonder if I got the wrong version
[23:35] <onr> do linux users really use chrome instead of chromium?
[23:37] <kgb> not me
[23:38] <kgb> chromium ppa died, but there's other places to get it
[23:47] <holstein> onr: i use chrome.. not really "instead of chromium".. its just the browser i choose to use


[18:42] <ianorlin> wxl alternates seem to have broken today
[18:42] <ianorlin> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/wily/daily-20150813.log


[07:30] <Vialas> hi guys, can anyone help me with NPM ?
[07:32] <Vialas> http://www.pastebucket.com/21804
[07:32] <Vialas> thats the ugly error i get :(


[00:00]  * holstein flashes some sort of gnome gang sign at kristian-aalborg
[00:01]  * charlie-tca uses xfce4-panel
[00:02]  * charlie-tca uses Xubuntu, too
[00:02] <holstein> i am looking forward to transitioning over to XFCE :)
[00:02] <kristian-aalborg> don't take this the wrong way, but XFCE looks very blocky?
[00:02] <froq> holstein, what made you decide to do that?!
[00:03] <charlie-tca> I don't know what that means... blocky?
[00:03] <holstein> nothing really *made* me
[00:03] <froq> charlie-tca, rought around the edges.
[00:03] <holstein> unity and gnome 3 are not my thing
[00:03] <froq> holstein, i agree dude!  I agree....  I am bummed that is the future, I downgraded to 10.04
[00:04] <froq> any of you guys using flexraid!?
[00:04] <holstein> eh... its linux, we always have options
[00:10] <kristian-aalborg> charlie-tca, made out of Duplo bricks?
[00:10] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[00:11] <charlie-tca> I was thinking shapes that fit the monitor ;)
[00:11] <holstein> i dont find the look/feel much unlike gnome2
[00:15] <charlie-tca> I probably haven't run gnome in too long
[00:15] <charlie-tca> Just testing images doesn't give much feel for it
[00:16] <froq> charlie-tca, what do you run?!
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu with Xfce
[00:17] <froq> oo so you have been using Xfce for some time now! :) lol
[00:17] <pleia2> xfce is beautiful
[00:17] <charlie-tca> Since about 2006?
[00:17] <charlie-tca> 6.06 was the first time it came out, and I never looked back at gnome
[00:18] <pleia2> froq: http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu08.png
[00:18] <pleia2> it's pretty :)
[00:19]  * pleia2 started using it in 2004
[00:20] <froq> pleia2, looks nice! so you use xubuntu too?!  nice... so can I d/l the xubuntu-desktop?!  via like sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:20] <charlie-tca> certainly
[00:22] <froq> 2 minutes & I got it! :)
[00:23] <froq> what terminal command will tell if I install 32 or 64 bit?
[00:23] <charlie-tca> You can now choose Xubuntu session or unity session at login
[00:23] <froq> charlie-tca, you got a desktop screenshot?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> froq: http://imagebin.org/160658
[00:26] <charlie-tca> I keep workspaces in the bottom, since I run 10 of them
[00:26] <charlie-tca> They would fill the top panel, so I moved it
[00:26] <froq> i don't see any work spaces in the photo?  so does it auto hide>
[00:26] <charlie-tca> oh, and I run Oneiric
[00:27] <charlie-tca> yes, it is a auto-hidden panel, with launchers on the left and workspaces on the right
[00:27] <charlie-tca> let me shoot it
[00:28] <froq> kkk
[00:28] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/160659
[00:29] <charlie-tca> I am running weechat, since I often use dasher, and it works better than xchat with dasher
[00:29] <froq> charlie-tca, cool
[00:29] <charlie-tca> The clocks across the top are orage global clock, which is part of Xfce too
[00:30] <froq> dasher?!  gotta look @ it
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Dasher is an application to type without a keyboard
[00:30] <charlie-tca> In Xubuntu, you do have to run at-spi-registryd first, then start dasher
[01:04] <kristian-aalborg> did anyone get quingy running?
[01:07] <Sekm> how can i change the password of a user if i forgot it?
[01:08] <holstein> passwd is the command... you can run that as the user
[01:08] <holstein> or, you can do it in the GUI
[01:08] <Sekm> i forgot the user password... therfore i cannot login as the user
[01:09] <charlie-tca> Sekm: use the recovery menu from grub, you can go to a root prompt and fix it
[01:11] <holstein> this looks pretty much like it
[01:11] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[01:14] <Sekm> its just my mysql account, i have root etc
[01:15] <holstein> Sekm: SO you need to recover a lost mysql password ??
[01:16] <Sekm> ya
[01:17] <holstein> i dont know much about mysql, but see if this looks right http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html
[01:57] <froq> so I checked out xubuntu... I think I prefer gnome 2.0
[01:59] <froq> charlie-tca, I just wanted to pass that on to you.  There was a lot about it I liked, however I gnome is just closer to heart. lol :)
[02:15] <holstein> froq: lol
[02:15] <holstein> where are you going to get it?
[02:16]  * holstein looks for froqbuntu :)
[02:19] <froq> holstein, if I ever become a genious (HIGHLY unlikely) I will develop a froqbuntu! :D
[02:20] <holstein> you got about 4 more months to like gnome2
[02:21] <froq> holstein, yeah, I am really just anxious for 11.10... hopefully they will get it a slight bit more finetuned.
[02:22] <froq> brb, gotta log out, & back in.
[02:22] <Zaragon> hi all....my first ubuntu computer....my new wireless adapter has no linux drivers available...Linksys ae1000...what adapters work with ubuntu?
[02:24] <holstein> well, assuming there really are *no* drivers available, then you'd need to try the windows drivers with ndiswrapper
[02:25] <holstein> Zaragon: if you are not wired up to internet, wire it up, and look at the 'additional software' for available restricted drivers
[02:26] <Zaragon> guess I'll have to lug new box into the office and set up a ethernet connection...what is ndiswrapper?
[02:27] <holstein> this looks promising
[02:27] <holstein> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=244215
[02:28] <holstein> Zaragon: ndiswrapper is a way to utilize windows wifi device drivers in linux
[02:28] <holstein> there is a gui for it
[02:28] <holstein> ndisgtk
[02:28] <Zaragon> available in downloads?
[02:28] <holstein> you can run... sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[02:29] <holstein> and run it from the command line, or look for 'windows wireless drivers' in the menu
[02:29] <holstein> but, take a look at that link at the fedora forums
[02:29] <holstein> that seems to reference a linux driver for your device
[02:33] <froq> hey all, after i downloaded xubuntu to try it out, I then removed it, however I am still getting residual effects, such as my mouse cursor is all wrong.  anyone know how to get ride of the remaining xfce stuff?
[02:33] <Zaragon> I appreciate the advice, holstein...I'll check on it.  thanks
[02:33] <holstein> Zaragon: i have the best luck with the windows xp drivers
[02:34] <holstein> froq: i would just look in 'appearance' and reapply the theme
[02:35] <Zaragon> I'm a total noob when it comes to linux.....You have given me a direct to blunder toward...that's a good start
[02:35] <holstein> we'll be here, and ready to help :)
[02:36] <holstein> Zaragon: looks like you can get it working though
[02:36] <holstein> its a lot easier to work on linux (i find) when you can be online in some capacity
[02:37] <Zaragon> good advice and wild optimism all in one package.  I'll be off to fedoraland
[02:38] <Zaragon> bye all
[05:52] <Sekm> how can i make sed made changes directly to a file?
[05:53] <Sekm> i.e.
[05:53] <Sekm> sed 's/Defaults requiretty/#Defaults requiretty/g' /etc/sudoers > /etc/sudoers
[05:54] <holstein> i dont think you'll get any better than this
[05:54] <holstein> http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html
[05:54] <Sekm> thats what i have at the moment, but if it makes no changes, then it prints nothing and the /etc/sudoers will turn to nothing
[05:54] <Sekm> i did see that, its so big though, ill try sift through it
[05:54] <holstein> do you have rights?
[05:55] <Sekm> ya
[05:56] <Sekm> wait... ill have to chmod it first
[05:56] <Sekm> now i do
[08:35] <stlsaint> hey folks anyone around?
[08:36] <head_victim> Briefly, what can I do you for.
[08:37] <stlsaint> head_victim: alright so i grabbed some source code
[08:37] <stlsaint> head_victim: tried creating a deb out of it for practice, i knew i needed to do some extra stuff but i wasnt sure what so i did basic way,
[08:38] <stlsaint> long story short i installed this .deb and of course something went wrong and the package didnt install as i expected
[08:38] <stlsaint> then my root (/) started filling up like crazy and i couldnt find what was causing it
[08:38] <stlsaint> so i went from having 1.79gb free on root to having 134 mb free and i cant figure out how or why
[08:38] <stlsaint> ...
[08:39] <head_victim> It sound s like a log file someowhere
[08:40] <stlsaint> thats what i was thinking but i cant seem to find it
[08:41] <geirha> du -m -x --max-depth=1 /
[08:41] <geirha> Did it install an init/upstart script?
[08:42] <stlsaint> geirha: not that i can tell
[08:42] <stlsaint> just from looking at source
[08:42] <head_victim> stlsaint: what geirha for some reason I was poking in df not du
[08:42] <geirha> dpkg -L package-name
[08:43] <stlsaint> geirha: i removed the package
[08:45] <geirha> Maybe it started some process when you installed it, and it didn't stop it when you removed it..?
[08:46] <geirha> If that process is writing to some logfile that got installed with the package, that the package deleted upon removal, that process may still be writing to that file, which is now unlinked.
[08:46] <stlsaint> geirha: also what i was thinking and went thru trying to kill anything that looked like it
[08:46] <stlsaint> geirha: http://paste.debian.net/121477/
[08:46] <stlsaint> tried running a: ps aux | grep gsimplecal and killed everything there
[08:47] <geirha> 1.6G in /media?
[08:49] <geirha> I'm thinking you copied some files to the wrong dir in /media, one that wasn't mounted.
[08:52] <stlsaint> geirha: that space there is my system backup which i did incidently copy to wrong location i see, but i did that yesterday and the data started filling up earlier...
[08:52] <stlsaint> geirha: either way i think you just found the issue, ill move it and see
[08:54] <stlsaint> geirha: ha yea that was it, i noticed it earlier but didnt think twice about it, thanks man
[08:54] <stlsaint> geirha: question, would that explain the filesystem being rapidly used up like that? even though the backup had finished already?
[08:55]  * stlsaint facepalms...so ashamed! smh
[08:58] <geirha> Hm. It wouldn't explain the rapid filesystem use if it had completed a long time ago.
[08:59] <stlsaint> i would assume that had something to do with the package i installed gsimplecal
[11:10] <kristian-aalborg> I want to install Linux... with Danish apps and English terminal... can it be done?
[11:21] <bioterror> no
[11:32] <kristian-aalborg> that's easy then ;)
[11:34] <kristian-aalborg> I'f had some installs of Lucid where the wifi died after five minutes, again and again... anyone know if it's been fixed?
[11:47] <truepurple> Hi, is there a way to make linux open windows url links?
[11:48] <truepurple> Anyone here?
[11:49] <aman_> open the url file in text editor & copy the url link from there
[11:49] <truepurple> I mean to use them as shortcuts, that way is too time consuming
[11:52] <truepurple> Anyone?
[12:03] <geirha> When you install a program with wine, wine creates launchers of such shortcuts somehow.
[12:04] <geirha> You might have luck asking in #winehq
[12:32] <truepurple> Should I use this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=495131&highlight=fx-url+assogiate&page=2 Or this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1394268 ? Which thread has the better instructions?
[12:38] <geirha> truepurple: Both looks ugly to me. I'd try to figure out how wine does it.
[12:44] <truepurple> emulation seems like a extreme "solution" to what should be a simple problem and a simple solution
[13:01] <geirha> truepurple: What I mean is, wine might have some command that converts such a shortcut to an xdg launcher.
[13:02] <truepurple> Anyway, that would mean wine would have to be running at the time
[13:02] <geirha> Maybe, maybe not, I don't know.
[13:03] <geirha> Of the two threads you showed earlier though, I'd probably go with the perl version.
[13:03] <geirha> If there's no better way.
[18:36] <balaji_> how to set environment variable permanently
[19:46] <philipballew> does Ubuntu have a guide for configuring MBP with Ubuntu?
[19:47] <bioterror> !macbook
[19:47] <ubot2> For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[19:49] <philipballew> my friend came to me for a ubuntu cd and told me he felt updating to lion was going to dumb his computer down. he just wants to get the trackpad working with multitouch
[20:26] <burak575> hello
[20:26] <s-fox> Hello.
[20:27] <burak575> I have a question, I was SU to another user, and run a process like ./proc & after that I CTRL+C to get back console and exit, so I went back to original user
[20:27] <burak575> I can't see the output of process now, can acquire its output?
[20:28] <burak575> Short question: how to see output of already running background process?
[20:29] <burak575> It doesnt shows up in jobs list so can't FG it
[20:29] <burak575> but process is running
[20:30] <seidos> i dunno, i am researching
[20:33] <seidos> yeah, not sure.  i'm sure it's possible though.  you may try asking in a more active channel burak575
[20:33] <burak575> any suggestion for an active channel? :)
[20:34] <seidos> ##linux or #gnu maybe
[20:34] <burak575> Thank you
[20:34] <seidos> no worries, good luck
[20:50] <godtrunks> i have latest ubuntu and doesn't recognize my broadcom wireless canrd.how can i install the driver?
[20:50] <holstein> godtrunks: hey
[20:50] <holstein> can you wire up to internet?
[20:51] <godtrunks> no..
[20:51] <holstein> there are 'no internet' sections here
[20:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:52] <godtrunks> yes...
[20:52] <godtrunks> they have this command
[20:52] <godtrunks> ~$ sudo apt-get update
[20:52] <godtrunks> ~$ sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:53] <godtrunks> i don't have a wired connection\
[20:53] <holstein> yeah... look in the sections labeled 'no internet access'
[20:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#STA - No Internet access
[20:53] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43 - No Internet access
[20:54] <holstein> godtrunks: this guide will tell you how
[20:54] <godtrunks> thx
[20:54] <holstein> you can always just search for the packages you need online too, and move them over however
[20:54] <holstein> USB stick or whatever
[21:05] <sw0rdfish> hey guys how do I check if my system is 32bit or 64bit again?
[21:06] <holstein> sw0rdfish: uname -m
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> i686
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> is that 64bit?
[21:06] <holstein> nope
[21:06] <sw0rdfish> oh
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> hehe
[21:07] <holstein> :)
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> well I thought 32bit was referred to as
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> i386
[21:07] <sw0rdfish> holstein?
[21:08] <holstein> you can check out something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_(microarchitecture) if you want
[21:08] <holstein> but, x86 is 32bit
[21:08] <sw0rdfish> ok so
[21:08] <holstein> you'll see something like amd64 on the 64's
[21:08] <sw0rdfish> i386 and i686 are 32bit
[21:09] <holstein> yup
[21:10] <sw0rdfish> cool
[21:10] <sw0rdfish> I was just installing the google+ plugin anyway
[21:11] <sw0rdfish> wanted to make sure if i386.deb was the right one for me
[21:16] <holstein> yup, thats the one
[21:16] <holstein> sw0rdfish: feel free to offer to invite me :)
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> looking for a desktop clock
[22:25] <kristian-aalborg> something simple that won't have a load of dependencies... transparency would be nice
[22:27] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: cairo clock is the one ive used
[22:28] <kristian-aalborg> hi holstein
[22:29] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/ :)
[22:29] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, I tried that... but I can't get cairo transparency going
[22:29] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you need compositing ??
[22:30] <kristian-aalborg> something a la "fetch background.png - draw hands on it - put it in XY place" should be enough
[22:30] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, yes
[22:31] <kristian-aalborg> but I'm not going to spend time getting it to work... I will soon ditch this monitor, I reckon... and get a proper graphics card
[22:31] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you running gnome?
[22:32] <kristian-aalborg> fluxbox... so something I'd just throw in .xinitrc would be the best
[22:32] <holstein> you can try metacity http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/03/31/enable-metacity-compositing-in-gnome-222/
[22:32] <holstein> metacity compositing**
[22:34] <holstein> maybe http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Transparency
[22:36] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, yeah... but it just seems unreasonable to go through all kinds of shenanigans
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> for a very simple task
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> btw, have you tried fluxbox? It's rather cool, actually
[22:37] <holstein> well, if you want transparency, you'll need to enable it :/
[22:37] <holstein> yeah... i used fluxbox when i ran antix
[22:37] <kristian-aalborg> I just got the freshest stable one
[22:38] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.winandmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/320x480xxclock.png.pagespeed.ic.uV0VrnSJ8k.png
[22:39] <kristian-aalborg> interestingly iOS has what I want... they seem to have forked xclock ;)
[22:39] <holstein> is that ugly_clock.deb ;)
[22:46] <kristian-aalborg> the funny thing is, in time you start to grow some affection for those things
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> with that polyester-era look
[23:14] <dabarons> hey all
[23:14] <dabarons> im going thru a crazy time during a hd crash...
[23:14] <dabarons> just got my ubuntu install up... got nvidia drivers i believe
[23:14] <dabarons> but have to use my old lcd screen for some reason... ubuntu wont detect my second new dvi-HDMI connected lcd...
[23:14] <dabarons> how can i fix this? (aka get the big screen to be the main screen)
[23:15] <holstein> well, i would confirm that you have nvidia hardware, and that you have the proprietery driver installed
[23:15] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[23:17] <dabarons> ok cool
[23:17] <holstein> the short answer is, it might not be supported
[23:17] <dabarons> would it work if i just shut off my ocmputer, removed the old lcd from back of comp and replace with new one? Will it auto detect the new one ?
[23:18] <holstein> dabarons: that depends
[23:19] <dabarons> when i first started the computer it said to switch to current drivers, so i did, it told me to reboot and here i am...
[23:19] <dabarons> there is no nvidia control panel type setting?
[23:19] <holstein> dabarons: again, that really depends on the driver, and the hardware
[23:20] <holstein> i have an nvidia type of setup application for one of my nvidia cards
[23:20] <holstein> dabarons: there might be other drivers to try
[23:20] <dabarons> i got an 8800 gts i dont think there will be any problems ... i am going to see if i can find te drivers
[23:21] <holstein> if you say 'it' did this, then that would be one of the proprietary drivers from the ubuntu repos
[23:21] <holstein> there might be other options on the site
[23:21] <holstein> the nvidia site**
[23:21] <dabarons> nice found the settings!
[23:21] <dabarons> i have version 270.41.06
[23:21] <dabarons> awesome
[23:22] <dabarons> thank god ubuntu is not so hard so far :)
[23:23] <dabarons> ok
[23:23] <dabarons> i only see 1 screen in the app
[23:23] <dabarons> so its not detecting the second screen
[23:23] <dabarons> how can i tell it to detect the second screen ?
[23:23] <holstein> dabarons: again, that really depends
[23:23] <holstein> the driver may or may not see that dvi port
[23:24] <holstein> if nvidia didnt supply a proper driver for it, then it might not work
[23:24] <holstein> dabarons: i would google around, or look in the forums for someone with that hardware
[23:24] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=775586
[23:24] <holstein> ^^ for example
[23:25] <holstein> the DVI and VGA on mine work fine though
[23:25] <sw0rdfish> holstein should I trust free or htop to show me RAM usage
[23:25] <sw0rdfish> cuz both are showing different info
[23:26] <holstein> free just shows right at that moment
[23:26] <holstein> top will be an ongoing accessment
[23:26] <holstein> i would trust them
[23:26] <holstein> but, im not counting mb's
[23:26] <dabarons> ok ill look at it
[23:27] <dabarons> thaqnks
[23:27] <holstein> dabarons: i would just keep messing with it
[23:27] <holstein> its probably just something fiddly you'll sort out eventually
[23:49] <dabarons> well i got it working
[23:49] <dabarons> a couple reboots and i got dual screens as well :D
[23:50] <holstein> dabarons: good news :)
[23:50] <dabarons> ya
[23:50] <dabarons> strange when i plug old screen into other port everything goes purple...
[23:53] <holstein> do you need to do that?
[23:56] <dabarons> na its ignorable
[23:56] <dabarons> ok i got sound in my speakers
[23:57] <dabarons> but i have an audigy2 with 5.1 creative speakers, when i try setting up the sound to 5.1 it sounds HORRIBLE and everything plays from 5.1 speakers! any way to fix this ?
[23:57] <dabarons> also downloaded the client for a game i want to install (heroes of newerth) it came as a 500 mb .sh file, how can i install it ?
[23:57] <holstein> dabarons: its linux
[23:57] <holstein> there always a fix
[23:57] <dabarons> nice
[23:58] <holstein> dabarons: there should be a read me with the newerth game
[23:58] <dabarons> maybe i have the best audigy2 drivers now how can i check ?
[23:58] <holstein> sh /path/to/myScript.sh
[23:59] <holstein> dabarons: * just read this
[23:59] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=782360
[23:59] <holstein> dont do any of it
[23:59] <dabarons> nice got it working