[00:00] <Unit193> Has anyone else tested the Live install with the menu item installer?
[00:12] <Unit193> Alright. The installer doesn't seem to work in the menu
[00:25] <Unit193> There is a problem with the file /rofs/usr/share/applications/ubiquity-gtkui.desktop where it's supposed to say "Xubuntu 11.10" it has "RELEASE" and here is a comment at the top of the file "# Do not translate the word "Xubuntu 11.10".  It is used as a marker by casper."
[00:36] <Unit193> Looks like I should file a bug agenst xubuntu-default-settings or ubiquity
[01:14] <Unit193> But 831716
[01:14] <Unit193> Sorry, I opened Bug #831716
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Unit193: that works the best. It sounds like a translation bug
[01:33] <charlie-tca> They put notes like that in, and it should have been commentted out, there are probably more than just the one line.
[01:33] <Unit193> Can't be as the other .desktop files were fine and it was in English :P
[01:34] <Unit193> I did a diff on those files
[01:34] <charlie-tca> so that is the only line needs commenting?
[01:35] <Unit193> That line was commented out in all files, but where it should have said "Xubuntu 11.10" it said "RELEASE"
[01:35] <charlie-tca> You said it is menu, right?
[01:35] <charlie-tca> I see
[01:35] <charlie-tca> It does install from the desktop icon?
[01:36] <Unit193> In the menu is correct, but I don't know for sure if it pulls it from /rofs/ as it was also in /usr/share/applications/ .  Desktop worked
[01:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is from
[01:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is from France, he is usually sleeping at 3:30 AM his time
[01:36] <Unit193> The .desktop file on the desktop was fine :P
[01:36] <charlie-tca> Okay
[01:36] <charlie-tca> Thanks for reporting it. I will confirm the bug and set high priority
[01:36] <Unit193> Let me guess, xubuntu-default-settings was the one I was supposed to file it for
[01:37] <Unit193> Great! Once you do that, I'll file it in the wiki
[01:37] <charlie-tca> I am not sure
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Oh, wiki it anyway. I put mine in as soon as I get the bug number so I don't forget them.
[01:38] <charlie-tca> Also, I go through them weekly, to see what has changed
[01:38] <Unit193> I forgot and was going to put it as confirmed after you did so
[01:38] <charlie-tca> okay
[01:39] <charlie-tca> It just might take me a bit to get there
[01:42] <Unit193> And now I spammed you and mic|ahg
[01:45] <charlie-tca> That's okay. I get every change to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu part of the wiki
[01:45] <charlie-tca> and every single bug report, too
[01:46] <charlie-tca> If it mentions Xubuntu in the bug report, I will get an email
[01:46] <charlie-tca> oh, and every package for accessibility, too
[01:47] <Unit193> Yeah, I guessed. I try not to do the dirty trick of marking it trivial to avoid mailing people :P
[01:47]  * charlie-tca follows about 7000 bugs, but only has about 1250 he cares about
[01:47] <Unit193> Eh, I follow a few pages, my wiki page is one of them :P
[01:47] <charlie-tca> for those subscribed, it doesn't matter what gets marked, they will see it.
[01:49] <charlie-tca> Sometimes I think I got too much stuff going through
[01:51] <Unit193> I did that once to see if the people that are subscribed by default would still get it, and they didn't seem to :D (Personal wiki page that I don't keep up :P )
[02:13] <knome> charlie-tca, just had a talk with ochosi. he made some improvements to greybird-gtk3 today, and he's going to do a "release" tomorrow, even if some things might be suboptimal
[02:15] <charlie-tca> Thaks
[02:15] <charlie-tca> thanks, too
[02:23] <charlie-tca> I am going away. Too tired to keep going now.
[03:20]  * Unit193 forgot to update GDoc yet again :P
[08:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: also, I'm hoping to get a little space back with the dh_python2 conversion, but haven't had time for that yet (needs FFes, see u-d-a)
[09:12] <mr_pouit> micahg: ah, if the new limit is 703M, then I guess it's ok
[09:12] <mr_pouit> the daily mail I receive still tells me it's oversized though
[10:06] <ochosi> micahg: ping
[14:05] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:05] <madnick_> morning
[14:07] <ochosi> hi
[14:07] <ochosi> just released a 0.2.2 version of greybird, which boasts a completely rebased gtk3 theme
[14:07] <ochosi> would be happy if some of you could test it
[14:08] <madnick_> i can :
[14:08] <ochosi> didn't find so many gtk3 apps and the time pressure was rather high, so there might still be quite a few pitfalls
[14:08] <madnick_> :)
[14:08] <ochosi> k, thanks madnick_
[14:08] <charlie-tca> ochosi: UI freeze 25th at 21:00 UTC. We don't have the greybird changes in yet
[14:09] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i know, i already talked to mr_pouit about it
[14:09] <charlie-tca> ochosi: welcome back. I hope you had a good holiday
[14:09] <charlie-tca> Okay
[14:09] <ochosi> thanks, in fact it was more a work-related trip than holidays
[14:09] <ochosi> but yeah, i was gone for quite a while
[14:09] <ochosi> didn't have the UI freeze in mind so it all was a bit of a rush today
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Sorry
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Just kind of disappointed to see the changes weren't there yet.
[14:10] <ochosi> so it's not all 100% as i would've wanted it
[14:11] <ochosi> you have to download the current version directly from git if you want to test it: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/archives/v0.2.2
[14:11] <charlie-tca> I can do that
[14:11] <ochosi> ok thanks
[14:12] <ochosi> not sure that bugs can be fixed before the freeze anyway, but it's still worth knowing
[14:13] <charlie-tca> True. We have a good theme now, if it shows too many bugs, maybe wait for P ?
[14:14] <ochosi> actually the gtk3 version of the theme that i did yesterday night and today is definitely better than what is there now
[14:14] <ochosi> so that's really worth taking into oneiric
[14:14] <charlie-tca> Great!
[14:15] <ochosi> bugfixes might actually be possible even after the UI freeze
[14:15] <ochosi> so i guess it depends on what is considered a bug in a theme
[14:15] <madnick> hm
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is true, too. If we can report, we can call it a bug, can't we?
[14:15] <madnick> its a zip file
[14:15] <madnick> But "archive not supported" O_o
[14:15] <ochosi> madnick: you can run "unzip" from shell
[14:16] <ochosi> (i had the same problem with file-roller in oneiric btw)
[14:16] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, that was what i thought. "visual bugs"
[14:16] <madnick> ochosi: i just put this with my thems?
[14:17] <ochosi> madnick: yes, maybe rename it to "greybird-git" so you can compare the old and the new version
[14:17] <madnick> okay
[14:17] <madnick> :
[14:18] <madnick> it got a little darker?
[14:19] <ochosi> maybe the toolbar and the menubar aren't the same anymore
[14:19] <madnick> oh scrollbars look alot better
[14:19] <ochosi> but that's because of the engine switch from adwaita to unico
[14:20] <ochosi> yeah, the scrollbars should match now, i mean no diff between gtk2 and 3
[14:20] <madnick> ill use this theme on this machine and see what happens, if i encounter anything odd :P
[14:21] <ochosi> k
[14:21] <madnick> Also, I have to face the fact that; LightDM greeter won't be finished in time :\
[14:22] <madnick> So I guess, change background on the normal gtk greeter + add new icons into the UI file?
[14:22] <ochosi> what's the problem with the lightdm theme, the last screenshot i saw looked ok?
[14:23] <madnick> yeah :) however, it wont run in lightdm --test-mode, so there is a bug somewhere (unless --test-mode is bugged :))
[14:23] <madnick> So I could install it on a real machine and see if it works
[14:23] <madnick> But even if it does work then, i still need to write alot of code still
[14:23] <GridCube> madnick, want me to test it?
[14:23] <madnick> Its just not gonna be possible in 1 day
[14:24] <madnick> GridCube: not yet :) ill give it 2 hours more, then we can see if i stumbled upon the bug
[14:24] <madnick> I dont want you to install something that might break it badly
[14:24] <GridCube> :P virtual machine don't matter
[14:24] <madnick> oh :)
[14:25] <ochosi> i have a real install of oneiric, so if you feel it's ok let me know
[14:25] <GridCube> oh, real machine, I use 10.04, can't try that
[14:25] <GridCube> ochosi, :D hello
[14:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: okay, we can run with just the lightdm-gtk-greeter if that is the case. Let's get the new theme in for P .
[14:25] <GridCube> how was your vacations?
[14:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: what about leaving out the 16bit stuff and just going with what you had already?
[14:26] <ochosi> GridCube: fine, i was actually teaching at a university summer academy, so no real vacations ;)
[14:26] <GridCube> :P
[14:26] <GridCube> summer academy in winter, lol
[14:26] <ochosi> winter?
[14:26] <GridCube> south hemisphere
[14:26] <ochosi> i don't know where you live, but it's summer here...
[14:26] <madnick> charlie-tca: in lightdm? 16 bit stuff would only take 10 minutes, its more about getting it working at all in testmode :(
[14:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: not limited to visual bugs... If they kick an error in .xsession-errors, we can still report a bug
[14:27] <ochosi> GridCube: right :)
[14:27] <charlie-tca> madnick: does testmode have to work? I can release note that it is broken, if the greeter works in real modes
[14:27] <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah, also there might be gtk-warnings etc. i still have a few of those unresolved things that are very tricky to debug and it's not clear where the bug is (visually not always apparent)
[14:28] <ochosi> yeah, also: if only the test-mode is broken we can fix that after the UI freeze, because it's a bug then
[14:28] <ochosi> same goes for real modes in fact
[14:28] <madnick> charlie-tca: give me 2 hours :P I will try everything I can
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Okay.
[14:29] <charlie-tca> I consider testmode a minor bug. We really need real modes to work, though.
[14:31] <GridCube> but he can't know if they work if he cant test them
[14:33] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:35] <charlie-tca> madnick, ochosi : you both got errors trying to extract greybird using thunar and archive manager?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Mine using oceiric worked
[14:36] <charlie-tca> wonder if we are missing a "unzip" app again?
[14:36] <ochosi> charlie-tca: the error was that file-roller didn't seem to recognize the zip-format
[14:36] <ochosi> no, unzip was installed
[14:36] <ochosi> so i guess it's a file-roller issue
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will dig deeper later. I need to run some image tests today
[14:43] <charlie-tca> How do I know if I am running gtk2 or gtk3 theme now?
[14:43] <mr_pouit> you'll be running both, depending on the application
[14:44] <charlie-tca> okay
[14:44] <charlie-tca> ochosi: only thing I see that really bothers me with the new theme is the white on light gray for highlighting
[14:45] <charlie-tca> It has wrong contrast, which makes it hard to see. I have to squint to read what is in white text.
[14:45] <ochosi> highlight where?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> looking at thunar
[14:45] <charlie-tca> it highlights the directory or file selected?
[14:46] <ochosi> yes, but it's white on blue, just like everywhere else (other lists i mean)
[14:46] <ochosi> or do you mean something else?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> the blue it too light for the white text
[14:46] <ochosi> oh noes, we had that discussion a long while ago, can't you remember?
[14:47] <ochosi> but feel free to send me a screenshot, so that i can see whether it's a bug
[14:47] <charlie-tca> really?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> So, it's my eyes?
[14:47] <ochosi> yeah, we kinda settled on this blue back then because you said it's reasonably readable
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Okay
[14:50] <charlie-tca> No, I can't remember... I am old and braindead now
[14:50] <ochosi> heh, well don't worry, i can ;)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> but as long as you remember, we don't need to rehash it :)
[14:51] <ochosi> no anyway, it's a bit late now to change things drastically :)
[15:00] <ochosi> k, i'm off for now, feel free to ping me if you come across anything noteworthy wrt greybird
[15:01] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/lightdm-gtk-greeter-changes.tar.gz
[15:01] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/changes.png
[15:01] <ochosi> known issues: gtk-scale, progressbar (those are not the same in gtk2 and 3)
[15:03] <Olbi> hello
[15:03] <Olbi> where I can mark passed tests of xubuntu oneriric daily?
[15:03] <madnick> dunno if thats accepable, but I guess its better than pink :)
[15:03] <charlie-tca> madnick: that's what we get? It looks lioke it will work for me
[15:04] <madnick> charlie-tca: unfortunetly, because: There is simply not enough time to fix the theme in progress
[15:04] <madnick> The brand new one
[15:04] <madnick> :(
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Olbi: http://2tu.us/3gn1
[15:04] <charlie-tca> madnick: That will work. the tar above is for mr_pouit ?
[15:04] <madnick> Yes, I suppose, or if someone like to test it
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It's way better than pink, yes :)
[15:05] <madnick> it uses the new icons
[15:05] <madnick> And the xubuntu-icon.svg
[15:05] <madnick> And the background + slightly larger prompt
[15:05] <madnick> thats it
 thx
[15:08] <mr_pouit> shouldn't theme-name by Greybird (instead of Ambiance), and font-name Droid Sans (instead of Ubuntu)?
[15:08] <mr_pouit> s/by/be/
[15:09] <charlie-tca> in lightdm?
[15:09] <madnick> Sure, I did not change anything like that
[15:09] <madnick> Did not occur to me
[15:09] <mr_pouit> yes, in lightdm
[15:09] <charlie-tca> All he did is throw the background in, and icons, I think
[15:09] <madnick> yeah
[15:10] <madnick> Im sort of disappointed in myself for not being able to be quicker with the new theme :(
[15:13] <Olbi> I wonder if it is possible to change icon on desktop, I mean disks icon from now to computer looks likes:]
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Olbi: no, those are fixed by the theme
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Maybe changing icon sets will change them, but it will change all the icons
[15:15] <mr_pouit> I don't really know how I'm supposed to use these files though
[15:15] <mr_pouit> I really can't replace the ones from lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:16] <charlie-tca> madnick: mr_pouit needs some help with the tar files
[15:16] <madnick> okay
[15:16] <madnick> mr_pouit: how come we cannot do that?
[15:16] <madnick> you*
[15:17] <madnick> Should I fork off another lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:17] <madnick> and rename it?
[15:17] <madnick> In case we need the original
[15:19] <mr_pouit> madnick: I can use dpkg-divert, but it's ugly, and anyway will affect everyone using the gtk greeter with xubuntu-artwork installed, which is not nice either
[15:19] <madnick> Oh
[15:20] <madnick> So what is the best solution? Fork the greeter and ship as another greeter?
[15:20] <mr_pouit> and lightdm-gtk-greeter will only look for its config in -DCONFIG_FILE=\""$(configdir)/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf"\", so I can't create another greeter reusing this binary
[15:21] <mr_pouit> I'm afraid we've to fork it yeah
[15:21] <madnick> okidokie
[15:22] <mr_pouit> grmbl, this will probably require a freeze exception =]
[15:22] <madnick> how come?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: skaet will approve it
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I gave notice just before the freeze we would need one for lightdm
[15:24] <mr_pouit> madnick: it needs its own package
[15:24] <madnick> oh
[15:25] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: been advised by cjwatson to wait on the "maybe-ubiquity"  change until after oneiric releases
[15:26] <mr_pouit> yeah, this is wise
[16:04] <charlie-tca> weechat is doing things when I change themes; it just closed on me
[16:06] <GridCube> charlie-tca, want me to delete the form made sheet and the form?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> There's no way we can make it work, huh?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> It just doesn't want to cooperate and let us see the tests to do/done, is there?
[16:08] <GridCube> i can do some choosing things, but it wont take information from the sheet and show it on the form, no
[16:09] <GridCube> i can make it ask you if you asked on the irc channel, or what day tests you are meant to do
[16:09] <GridCube> but not see the tests already done, unless...
[16:09] <GridCube> unless i like people to the form and they see by themselfs
[16:10] <GridCube> s/like/link
[16:10] <charlie-tca> yeah, may as well update it manually then
[16:10] <GridCube> yes
[16:14] <knome> GridCube, let's move the conversation here...
[16:14] <knome> we don't have pulseaudio anymore, or why isn't it mentioned?
[16:15] <GridCube> i did an audio questio
[16:15] <GridCube> its number 2
[16:15] <GridCube> or 1
[16:15] <knome> i know, (#1), but id doesn't mention pulseaudio, only alsa
[16:15] <GridCube> but i did it whit alsa, not pulseadio
[16:15] <GridCube> i never used pulseaudio so i don't know
[16:16] <knome> the problem before was many times pulseaudio
[16:16] <knome> charlie-tca, have we removed pulseaudio?
[16:16] <GridCube> i actually did sudo apt-get purge pulseadio
[16:16] <knome> right. that is what i'd propose as the last effort.
[16:16] <knome> gstreamer*pulseaudio too
[16:16] <charlie-tca> no, we haven't. But we do not get near the questions about it, either, that we were seeing
[16:16] <knome> okay.
[16:17] <GridCube> sorry gotta go buy some stuff
[16:17] <knome> GridCube, what's your emila?
[16:17] <knome> email
[16:17] <knome> or shall i just use the ML for improvement suggestions
[16:19] <knome> (i'll do that)
[16:37] <charlie-tca> hm, new plymouth screen on desktop image looks great!
[16:52] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: colors are screwed up bad on the live cd installer
[16:53] <knome> charlie-tca, but the logo is still the old one?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> nothing to do with logo
[16:53] <charlie-tca> go to live session, click on install xubuntu, colors are screwed
[16:53] <knome> okay, could have if you were talking about the same menu
[16:53] <knome> right
[16:53] <knome> that's different, yes
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Unit193: 64bit live session, install from menu works
[16:55] <GridCube> knome, my mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:55] <GridCube> (or @yahoo.com.ar, or @hotmail.com)
[16:55] <knome> i already sent mail to the devel mailing list :)
[16:56] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: no bug filed for colors
[16:56] <GridCube> :D
[16:57] <charlie-tca> yet, at least
[16:58] <charlie-tca> going to need a bug on the colors, some fields go black text on black background when clicked
[16:58] <Olbi> better testing on normal comp or vbox is enough?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> VBox is great!
[16:59] <charlie-tca> We accept tests on anything you can use. Please don't mess up your installation you need to test oneiric, though.
[16:59] <GridCube> knome, about proofreading, my native language aint english, i will need someone to do that
[16:59] <knome> GridCube, sure :)
[17:00] <knome> charlie-tca, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/332687
[17:00] <knome> charlie-tca, is that still valid for oneiric?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> as in, you plan to write a firefox start page ?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> too late to do that now
[17:01] <knome> charlie-tca, i don't for oneiric, but if the bug is still valid, i'll do that for O+1
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Okay, start writing then
[17:01] <knome> charlie-tca, is it?
[17:02] <charlie-tca> We still use the Ubuntu start page
[17:02] <knome> okay
[17:02] <charlie-tca> We also should have xubuntu.org bookmarked in it
[17:02] <knome> yeah.
[17:03] <Olbi> GridCube: what is your native language?:P
[17:04] <charlie-tca> knome: don't know that the referrences given in that bug are still valid. I believe the page and css have moved
[17:04] <knome> yup, i believe so too, but i just assigned to myself so i don't forget to investigate
[17:06] <GridCube> Olbi, spañish
[17:06] <Olbi> :P
ish
[17:14] <GridCube> :P i like my ñ
[17:15] <GridCube> its pretty representative of my language
[17:15] <GridCube> i feel it need to be showed more, its a crusade
[17:15] <knome> heh
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Unit193: will try the i386 desktop image to confirm the installer bug
[17:22] <Olbi> I like my polish language :]
[17:23] <Olbi> ź, ż, ć, ą, ę, ł, ó, ś :D
[17:24] <GridCube> what if i open the file so anyone can edit it?
[17:25] <knome> GridCube, that would be good.
[17:25] <GridCube> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es
[17:25] <GridCube> done
[17:26] <GridCube> well i have classes soon  :D today is Reference and Information Services day :P
[17:27] <GridCube> :) see you
[17:32] <Olbi> jockey-back-end crashed here too :D
[17:33] <knome> charlie-tca, had a talk with chrisccoulson and he said it's not going to be easy, at least, but we scheduled some more time to discuss about it friday
[17:33] <charlie-tca> I didn't get the oneconf crash this time, yet
[17:34] <charlie-tca> knome: I knew it wasn't gonna be easy, but is it doable?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> with firefox changing things so fast now?
[17:35] <Olbi> super, freezing when preparing to install from LiveCD :D
[17:35] <knome> charlie-tca, it's not about firefox complexity really, it's more about the ubufox package doing some not-always-so-stable things already, and this would kind of be one more issue
[17:36] <Olbi> it's normal to freeze during preparing install?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> it figures. One more thing to try and make work
[17:36] <knome> charlie-tca, it is doable, but chrisccoulson wasn't exactly cheering for it.
[17:36] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Olbi: freezing as in trying to type, or just moving through the installer, or where?
[17:37] <Olbi> charlie-tca: when you choose checkbox: updating during install and install 3rd party software
[17:37] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:37] <charlie-tca> it freezes and then goes again, then freezes again
[17:38] <Olbi> cool :) nice feature :P
[17:38] <charlie-tca> heh, at least it does go again, right?
[17:38] <Olbi> no, i have to end this and start again
[17:39] <Olbi> when you ddint check any box it works good
[17:39] <charlie-tca> give it time, it should unfreeze in a few minutes
[17:39] <Olbi> no, I had w8 5 minuts :D
[17:40] <Olbi> 2 times :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> wow
[17:40] <Olbi> now install :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> okay, maybe it is a slow connection?
[17:40] <Olbi> 12 Mb/s :]
[17:40] <charlie-tca> faster than mine
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Mine will freeze, then go, then freeze, then go. It just takes about twice as long
[17:41] <Olbi> I install without and 3rd software whole disk
[17:42] <Olbi> timezone isnt working properly
[17:43] <charlie-tca> not detected properly or choosing manually?
[17:44] <Olbi> automated isnt' works, manula good
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Olbi: probably need to file a bug for timezones; boot the live session and file it using
[17:45] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[17:45] <charlie-tca> in a terminal
[17:45] <Olbi> ok, w8 only when system installs
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Oneconf crash seems to be fixed today!@
[17:48] <charlie-tca> too soon, apparently takes longer to crash today
[17:48] <knome> updated the top 10 doc
[17:49] <Olbi> omg, lightdm is awfull :]
[17:52] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:53] <Olbi> it looks like logon screen in win98 :D
[17:57] <davmor2> Olbi: are you looking at the right one?  I see a really snazzy version on Ubuntu complete with rotating users etc
[17:57] <Olbi> I have daily oneiric from today 10:50 am
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Well, I don't remember what win98 used. I got a blue background, with a centered user list here
[18:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Ouch I'd of thought you would of poached the unity one and modded :(
[18:00] <charlie-tca> and it is a whole lot better then the unity greeter in black
[18:00] <davmor2> charlie-tca: or made your own pretty one
[18:00] <charlie-tca> we couldn't get it done in time. Since lightdm changed so many times, we have only had since featurefreeze to try and do anything,.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> no docs, no robert to ask, makes it really hard to cusomize
[18:01] <davmor2> charlie-tca: arse monkeys
[18:01] <Olbi> but gdm looks better when you logged in that lightdm now
[18:01] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:01] <charlie-tca> we tried really hard.
[18:01] <charlie-tca> gdm is not going to be used
[18:02] <Olbi> I know it :]
[18:02] <charlie-tca> we are tired of fighting with it
[18:02] <Olbi> spox :]
[18:03] <Olbi> is it easier to change than gdm?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> If they don't screw us up anymore, we can have a really nice lightdm screen for the next release
[18:03] <charlie-tca> much easier
[18:03] <charlie-tca> gdm we have to do a lot of customizing just to make it work
[18:03] <davmor2> Olbi: from what the devs have said it's been really nice to work with :(
[18:04] <charlie-tca> However, change still takes time to do, and with a whole week or so, it just wasn't enough
[18:04] <Olbi> :)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu got four months or so, we got a whole week
[18:05] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you make is sound like a challenge ;)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> sorry, I didn't mean to :)
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I think the lightdm fiasco upset me more than most things do.
[18:07] <davmor2> charlie-tca: put some spin on it, in using lightdm we have made it as light as possible to get you to your desktop as quickly as possible, then it's a feature ;)
[18:07] <charlie-tca> heh, hadn't thought of it that way.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I guess I just have to give it some thought
[18:08] <davmor2> haha
[18:12] <charlie-tca> 5.8 earthquake in eastern United States today?
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Unit193: confirming the installer bug on i386 desktop images only. Doesn't affect 64bit images
[18:57] <Olbi> is it possible to remove Logout from Top right icon or change position with shutdown?
[19:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Alright, thanks. Mine has been marked as a dupe of one filed a few hours after it, didn't know you could do that :P
[19:01] <Unit193> But I don't really care
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I see that, and commented on the other bug too. They can not use the live session to install, but I can by clicking on the icon
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Olbi: no, at this late date, changes can not be done anymore.
[19:09] <Olbi> I have bug of ubiquti :P
[19:09] <Olbi> error while try to install
[19:10] <Olbi> when check box with 3rd party soft
[19:15] <charlie-tca> got it
[19:15] <charlie-tca> bug 831519
[19:15] <charlie-tca> the number after name : will change, but the bug is the same
[19:21] <Olbi> testing autoresize partitioning :]
[19:21] <Olbi> next will be 32 bit LiveCD
[19:23] <Olbi> all works good :)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> we be banging heads soon, huh?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Olbi: thanks for testing these! It is always good to make sure we cover enough, and the bugs are not just one person.
[19:27] <Olbi> hehe :D
[19:27] <Olbi> charlie-tca: what you mean with incorrect colors on installer?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> The headers are in pink, if I click on options, the text and background go black
[19:28] <charlie-tca> The Continue block is in gray, but the rest are in bright white
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Did you file a bug on timezones?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> seems not to work at all here now
[19:29] <Olbi> yep, noly manula works :P
[19:29] <Olbi> auto is crashed
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Oh, maybe the freeze instead...
[19:30] <charlie-tca> See, this really is fun :)
[19:30] <Olbi> i dont have freeze if I dont check boxes :D
[19:30] <charlie-tca> yeah, well, you know, gotta try it
[19:31] <charlie-tca> For some odd reason, the continue, back , etc boxes are reversed in colors
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Does autologin work now?
[19:32] <Olbi> i will check this one more time
[19:32] <Olbi> didnt check it yet
[19:32] <Olbi> only manual pass
[19:32] <charlie-tca> checked it this time
[19:32] <Olbi> ok
[19:56] <Olbi> how to login into livecd after logout?
[19:56] <Olbi> what are pass?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> user = ubuntu
[19:58] <charlie-tca> password = nothing, just hit enter
[19:58] <charlie-tca> auto-login fails on installations
[19:58] <charlie-tca> but, if we get things working, we can work on that
[20:00] <Olbi> you have right with colors
[20:00] <Olbi> pink characters on top
[20:01] <Olbi> and button Next doesnt have arrow
[20:02] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:03] <charlie-tca> That's okay, I will take the pink if we fix the real issues
[20:27] <Olbi> lol, alternate install corectly choose my timezone :D
[20:29] <charlie-tca> then it is an ubiquity bug, they use different installers for alternate and desktop images
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Okay, now that things are settled down a bit, I guess I can go for a walk.
[21:33] <Olbi> testing 32 bit LiveCD
[21:57] <Olbi> ok, done, I am too sleepy, altarnate 32 bit only left, but I think its same like 64 bit :)


[15:07] <andrejz> hello dpm! i have a question about translation of universe packages
[15:07] <andrejz> i recieved an email that fix has been commited, but i don't know how to access the universe packages
[15:11] <dpm> hi andrejz, that's correct, the feature has now been implemented \o/ - now the next step is for selected universe packages to be modified and mark them as "translatable in Launchpad". But this is something that will only happen when pitti is back from his holiday in a week
[15:12] <andrejz> great \o/ :)
[15:12] <andrejz> i am on a holiday myself, but needed to check this out :)
[15:13] <danilos> dpm, don't forget to mark them as "included in language pack" if you want translations exported by LP :)
[15:14] <dpm> danilos, absolutely :)
[15:14] <dpm> I'm looking forward to seeing this working
[15:18] <danilos> dpm, hey, we've committed a fix, you don't expect it to work, do you?
[15:19] <dpm> danilos, true, I forgot about the "commit and forget" Launchpad policy :P
[15:21] <danilos> we live and die by it :)


[00:02] <jpds> mdeslaur: The .list of the DVD file should have a listing?
[00:04] <mdeslaur> jpds: thanks
[00:05] <slangasek> there hasn't been a DVD spin for the point release though
[00:07] <slangasek> mdeslaur: I think the cutoff on security was right after the copy of openjdk
[00:08] <mdeslaur> slangasek: openjdk didn't make it
[00:08] <mdeslaur> at least, on the server cd I just looked at
[00:08] <slangasek> oh
[00:08] <slangasek> right, depends how you're counting
[00:08] <slangasek> it was in the snapshot, not in the CD :)
[00:08] <slangasek> that was the one delta between the two
[00:08] <slangasek> so, right /before/ openjdk
[00:08] <mdeslaur> ok, cool
[00:08] <mdeslaur> slangasek: thanks
[00:11] <slangasek> sure thing
[01:24] <ScottK> robbiew: clamav doesn't show up on your list.  It's got a new upstream version.  Makes me wonder what else got missed.
[14:37] <robbiew> ScottK:hmm...used the same script we usually do...let me see if it wasn't a cut-and-paste error from when I was arranging by Install, Upgrade, etc
[14:38] <ScottK> If it's just that, it's not a big deal, but dunno how much stuff got missed.
[14:38] <robbiew> ScottK: hmm...not in the raw list either
[14:39] <robbiew> cjwatson: ScottK says clamav was updated but it didn't get pulled by the script :/
[14:40] <robbiew> ScottK: FYI, I used the script referred to in wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess -> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/lucid-updates.py
[14:45] <cjwatson> it didn't list any bug closures so the script skipped it
[14:45] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[14:45] <cjwatson> if you want to change that behaviour, look for the two places where it says 'if bugnums:', delete those two lines and dedent the line immediately below each
[14:50]  * ScottK marks it for TODO.
[15:46] <robbiew> ScottK: if you make the change, I'll be happy to re-run the script and diff between my original ouput
[15:46] <robbiew> output
[15:47] <robbiew> then I can update the wiki with anything missed
[16:27] <ScottK> It's unlikely to be soon enough I'll have time to make it sensible to update that, but we'll see.
[16:28] <cjwatson> robbiew: it should be easy for you to change that using my instructions abov?
[16:28] <cjwatson> *above
[16:29] <robbiew> cjwatson: heh...good point
[17:21]  * robbiew re-runs "the script" with changes to see what pops out
[19:24] <robbiew> so there were changes...and I added those to the wiki...but still no clamav :/


 On my laptop Kde connect does not run on the background when i close it can i change this?
[09:14] <yossarianuk> hi - I have a USB ethernet adapter and I cannot get it to work as a bridge using network manager - i have added a bridge via network manager ui and cli - and it just doesn't get ip address on the bridge
[09:14] <yossarianuk> however if I use the ip command its fine
[09:15] <yossarianuk> i.e this method fails -> https://www.tecmint.com/create-network-bridge-in-ubuntu/
[09:16] <yossarianuk> and this method works -> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/613188/bridging-built-in-ethernet-with-usb-ethernet-adapter-in-debian  (first answer)
[09:17] <yossarianuk> using nmcli - when i put br0 to up I see 'br0: connecting (getting IP configuration) to br0'
[09:17] <yossarianuk> but it never gets ip info
[09:17] <yossarianuk> any hints ?
[09:25] <yossarianuk> (i could ask in #ubuntu also i guess as this is not Kubuntu specific)
[11:00] <skramer> Isn't it possible to change the background of the analog clock? Readability was much better when it was black on white. Now being white on black it's very hardd to read.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:17] <user|83> Discover times out and doesn't connect to org.freedesktop.packagekit
[17:26] <iomari891> greetings, I just upgraded to 23.04 but I notice on wayland on my login menu.
[17:39] <kubuntu> Hi all, I am having some difficulty with getting Kubuntu running on a system with a SSD.  It seems to fail in terms of managing the NVMe SSD.  I have been running 20.04 and when I tried to upgrade to 22.04, the system refused to boot.  Since then, I have been trying to do a fresh install on the SSD using a 22.04 live usb and a 23.04 but with no success.  Both fail in exactly the same way.  Does anyone here have any insight
[17:39] <kubuntu> into what I am doing wrong and how I can get it right?
[17:41] <kubuntu> One of the error messages I get is: fsyncing/closing /dev/nvme0n1p1: no data available
[17:48] <John_in_Calif> Hi all, I am having some difficulty with getting Kubuntu running on a system with a SSD.  It seems to fail in terms of managing the NVMe SSD.  I have been running 20.04 and when I tried to upgrade to 22.04, the system refused to boot.  Since then, I have been trying to do a fresh install on the SSD using a 22.04 live usb and a 23.04 but with no success.  Both fail in exactly the same way.
[17:49] <John_in_Calif> Does anyone here have any insight into what I am doing wrong and how I can get it right?
[17:49] <John_in_Calif> One of the error messages I get is: fsyncing/closing /dev/nvme0n1p1: no data available
[18:00] <John_in_Calif> Oh well.  I thought I would try.  I may be back later.  Bye all.
[19:21] <linux> Hi, Can you recommend me a solution moving files over wifi between Kubuntu and Android? I used to use Sendanywhere but afte years of using it without any problems it started not connecting to my laptop. Now I tried Warpinator and KDE Connect. After I added rules to firewall I even turned firewall off and restarted applications it doesn't want to connect 8 times out of ten.
 sftp, filezilla
[19:47] <Elliria> I used the Wifi File Transfer app made by SmarterDroid for a while and just don't back up my tablet any more because I no longer keep things on it.
[19:49] <Elliria> I'm just checking my notes and see that I also used the Droid Over Wifi app by Dmitri Lapushkin and that one doesn't have ads, but just asks you to support the author from time to time.
[21:53] <John_in_Calif> Hi, I am having a bit of trouble installing Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS on my Asus laptop.  I have an 128 GB SSD and a 1Tb hard disk.  For years, I have been running Kubuntu and I recently tried to upgrade to 22.04.2. LTS with the OS installed on the SSD and I use the hard drive for data.  My attempt to upgrade has left the SSD unbootable and my attempts to do a fresh install from a USB drive have been unsuccessful as well,
[21:53] <John_in_Calif> each time failing when attempting to format the SSD.
[21:54] <John_in_Calif> Does anyone have any ideas what I might be doing wrong or more importantly, what I can do to overcome this problem?  Clearly, I am missing  something because I don't think my configuation is that unique and as I said above, I have been using it successfully for years before now.
[21:55] <John_in_Calif> This is the first error message I get every time"
[21:56] <John_in_Calif> Error fsyncing/closing /dev/nvme0np1: No data available
[21:57] <John_in_Calif> followed in succession by:
[21:57] <John_in_Calif> Error fsyncing/closing /dev/nvme0np2: No data available
[21:57] <John_in_Calif> Error fsyncing/closing /dev/nvme0n1: No data available
[21:58] <John_in_Calif> Then after a few more error messages, I get this omnious sounding message:
[21:58] <John_in_Calif> ubiquity.components.partman_commit failed with exit code 141. Further information may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken.
[21:58] <tomreyn> John_in_Calif: this may actually be a dead, or mostly dead, nvme
[21:59] <John_in_Calif> Dead in what sense.  I can mount it manually and access it.  The data there seems to be intact, although I haven't tried reconstructing the EFI partition  manually yet.
[22:00] <tomreyn> in the sense of decaying hardware
[22:00] <tomreyn> i would backup what you can
[22:00] <John_in_Calif> Everything  was backed up prior to my attempting to upgrade the system.
[22:00] <John_in_Calif> But that is always good advice.
[22:01] <tomreyn> okay then make sure the nvme is properly seated on the mainboard
[22:02] <tomreyn> and then, from the installer / live media, inspect the nvme error log
[22:02] <tomreyn> as well as the system log (journalctl -b   or   dmesg)
[22:03] <John_in_Calif> I didn't look at the system log but I did check the nvme log and didn't see anything  untword.
[22:03] <tomreyn> then if you're convinced the nvme is still good and you want to try installing to it again, before you do so, use wipefs to wipe all file system structrues off it
[22:04] <John_in_Calif> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
[22:05] <John_in_Calif> I am not convinced that it is good, I just can't see any obvious errors.
[22:06] <John_in_Calif> But if you think that is the most  likely problem, I do have another SSD that is basically new that I can drop in and see if that solves the issue.
[22:07] <tomreyn> you'd need to   sudo dmesg   to overcome the above message
[22:08] <tomreyn> something else you can try is to look for and apply a firmware upgrade for the nvme
[22:08] <John_in_Calif> tomreyn, I think you may be on to something here.  I see lots of this message:
[22:08] <John_in_Calif> nvme0n1: I/O Cmd(0x0) @ LBA<PHONE_NUMBER>3709551615, 0 blocks, I/O Error (sct 0x1 / sc 0x82)
[22:08] <John_in_Calif> For both partitions.
[22:09] <tomreyn> right, those are likely hardware errors
[22:09] <John_in_Calif> I am going to shut things down and throw in the new SSD.
[22:09] <John_in_Calif> Thanks for your help.
[22:09] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:10] <John_in_Calif> By the way, for what it is worth, now I am convinced.
[22:10] <John_in_Calif> Bye
[22:10] <John_in_Calif> And thanks again.
[22:10] <tomreyn> :)
[22:10] <tomreyn> see you


[00:15] <dpsi> hey I want to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Tools but I cant edit the page


[20:03] <rick_h> bdx: there was new stuff in 2.1 I tbelieve to have containers respect constraints. e.g. you could limit a lxd container to 2gb of ram
[20:03] <rick_h> bdx: and it'll use the lxd tools to enforce that
[20:23] <bdx> rick_h: yeah, but also inherit the constraints from the host?
[20:23] <bdx> :(
[20:24] <bdx> rick_h: which won't work with spaces for any provider other then MAAS
[22:01] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: the 1:1 meeting got messed up - i've re-added it to the calendar if you're free
[22:01] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: oh yeah - let's do it!
[22:51] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: something's come up - just have to pop out for a bit, so if you ping me for a review and I don't answer straight away, it's not that i'm ignoring you....
[22:52] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok. I mean, that's what you'd say if you were ignoring me tho. :)
[22:52] <wallyworld> yep :-)
[22:56] <bdx> someone make my juju deployed lxd applications not inherit their hosts spaces constraints by default on aws plssss
[22:59] <thumper> wallyworld: hey
[22:59] <thumper> wallyworld: if you are in the all watcher code, are you able to address the current critical bug there?
[23:43] <thumper> well... poo
[23:43]  * thumper goes to dig
[23:55] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: my computer died, but all better now - take a look at this? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7246


[14:17] <Pharmasolin> Hello, someone online?
[14:18] <flocculant> hi Pharmasolin
[14:20] <Pharmasolin> I'm checking bugs from this list. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BigDesktopBugScrub and i see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1067951 which i can't reproduce in Ubuntu 15.04 with unity 7. Should i mark in as invalid?
[14:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1067951 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Firefox randomly loses window decoration in Gnome Classic (Compiz)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:20] <flocculant> not a clue - not using ubuntu
[14:20] <Pharmasolin> :D
[14:21] <flocculant> well the Ubuntu Mate lead found it 4 or 5 days ago
[18:29] <alief> #ubuntu_id


[02:56] <phunyguy> Whoops
[10:17] <darkxst> ricotz, I will take care of g-s-d/g-c-c for -staging, probably sometime in the next couple of days
[10:35] <l3on> if someone has time ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgweather/+bug/1370464
[10:52] <ricotz> darkxst, great
[10:55] <darkxst> l3on, if you prepare a fix? I will sponsor it for you
[10:56] <darkxst> actually no, I can't upload libgweather ;(
[10:59] <darkxst> l3on, but feel free to provide a fix and then subscribe sponsors to the bug!
[10:59] <l3on> darkxst, I think the best way it wait for Debian and import/sync the package
[10:59] <l3on> *is
[11:00] <l3on> the libgweather has been realsed with that fix.. so, a just "new upstream release" import should fix it
[11:00] <l3on> for 14.04.. I don't know
[11:06] <darkxst> l3on, no 3.12 release with that fix
[11:07] <darkxst> and 14.04 is still on 3.10, so the patch will need to be backported
[11:28] <l3on> darkxst, I will give a try for 3.10 .. :)


[02:01] <derpderp> i have downloaded the latest kernel repo from ubuntu's git archive, but how can I find the code that runs the interface used when changing resolution and monitor placement?
[07:40] <darkxst> pitti, I guess there is no way for apport to request logs from journal since its privileged, and we would just have to deal with all the noise in syslog?
[08:01] <darkxst> ricotz, hey
[08:03] <darkxst> any chance you can test Laney's gtk package against 3.14? I can't get gdm to start at the greeter at all ;(
[08:03] <darkxst> (on my desktop)
[08:03] <darkxst> and can't test in Vmware due to a different (probably cogl) bug
[08:03] <darkxst> or mutter is sending rubbish to cogl
[08:18] <darkxst> ricotz, obviously the window decorations are a bit of a problem either way though
[14:32] <smallfoot-> gnome-session-wayland depends on xwayland :(