[12:00] <heap_> who is going to call the grub
[12:00] <ikonia> then re-install grub into the vm once you've taken the image
[12:00] <ikonia> or take a copy of the first 512 blocks of the disk
[12:01] <heap_> if i take that copy 512 blocks copy should i dd it on the image with root?
[12:01] <heap_> i think to reinstall grub will be less pain
[12:01] <ikonia> that would be simpler
[12:02] <heap_> of course u need a live boot for that
[12:04] <no_mr_black> anyone heard of a machine only allows windows os to boot?
[12:04] <ikonia> no_mr_black: nothing to do with ubuntu, so nothing to do with this channel
[12:04] <mlvmhn> which is the latest LTS?
[12:04] <no_mr_black> was trying to install ubuntu
[12:05] <ikonia> mlvmhn: 14.04
[12:05] <syg> can anyone help me setup gmail notification on my ubuntu 15.10?
[12:06] <heap_> ikonia:  so just chroot /mnt/root; grub-install /dev/sda ; update-grub ; thats it?
[12:06] <ikonia> !grub2 > heap_
[12:06] <MonkeyDust> !info checkgmail | syg
[12:06] <mlvmhn> k, can qBittorrent cause my system to hang?
[12:07] <ikonia> mlvmhn: you've been told earlier, maybe
[12:08] <syg> MonkeyDust: this doesn't seem to work right on 15.10
[12:10] <syg> it loaded once, i entered my credentials, now it just crashes without fail MonkeyDust
[12:10] <Ubik_> hello  cannot change input device [french] in lubuntu 15  nothing in keyboard settings for input layout
[12:10] <vin_> can someone please address my query?
[12:11] <MonkeyDust> vin_  hit the up arrow to repeat it
[12:13] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys hey there
[12:13] <mrtAkdeniz> I've a problem about hostname
[12:14] <mrtAkdeniz> i changed my hostname
[12:14] <vin_> @MonkeyDust I am actually not able to boot from CD ROM in my laptop Dell Latitude E6510 which has ubuntu 15.04 installed....I would like to reinstall the OS as there is some issue with WiFi access for 802.11n....but due to this CD ROM issue I am stuck...I cannot even go to  the boot options using F12...
[12:14] <mrtAkdeniz> my hostname -f returns "roomworks.site" which is my domain
[12:14] <mlvmhn> when will the next LTS be released?
[12:14] <auronandace> !hostname | mrtAkdeniz
[12:14] <mrtAkdeniz> but when I try to send email with roundcube, it says that : http://pastie.org/private/kxajwxojdzbfuinrycszmw
[12:14] <ikonia> mlvmhn: -f is fullly qualified
[12:14] <mlvmhn> for?
[12:15] <ikonia> mlvmhn: sorry, not you
[12:15] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: -f is fully qualified
[12:15] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, auronandace yeah i know. i changed them both. and hostname and hostname -f returns what I need to see
[12:15] <mlvmhn> is there a program for checking the health on my esktop?
[12:15] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, i know mate.. but if you check the log which i pasted, you'll understand me.. :\
[12:15] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: thats nothing to do with your hostname
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> vin_  that F12 issue is not ubuntu related, i guess...
[12:16] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: thats the external mail server rejecting you as you don't have a fully qualified ARPA address
[12:16] <mrtAkdeniz> it seeing room.site which is my old hostname..
[12:16] <vin_> @MonkeyDust I am looking for a workaround to actually  boot from CD
[12:16] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, http://pastie.org/10519808
[12:16] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: how did you set the hostname ?
[12:16] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: you don't set the hostname with the hostname command
[12:16] <mrtAkdeniz> by changing etc/hosts and etc/hostname
[12:17] <ikonia> you need to reboot after you've done that
[12:17] <mrtAkdeniz> after that reboot and "sudo service hostname restart"
[12:17] <ikonia> err no
[12:17] <ikonia> just reboot
[12:17] <ikonia> hostname is not a service
[12:17] <mrtAkdeniz> yeah ubuntu told me same :\
[12:17] <mrtAkdeniz> ok let me reboot again
[12:18] <mrtAkdeniz> ok reboot is done
[12:18] <mrtAkdeniz> hostname and hostname -f still return my domain name
[12:18] <mrtAkdeniz> not room.site
[12:18] <ikonia> hostname -f is your fully qualitied domain
[12:19] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: have you rebooted ?
[12:19] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, yeah
[12:19] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: show me the output of "uname -a" please
[12:19] <mrtAkdeniz> Linux roomworks.site 3.13.0-57-generic #95-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 19 09:28:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:19] <mlvmhn> is there any goos system tools for ubuntu for checking the health on the desktop??
[12:19] <mlvmhn> good
[12:19] <mrtAkdeniz> mlvmhn, check ubuntu system monitor
[12:20] <ikonia> mlvmhn: so your hostname has correctly changed then
[12:20] <ikonia> oops
[12:20] <ikonia> mlvmhn: sorry not you
[12:20] <ikonia> mlvmhn: so that is your hostname rootworks,site
[12:20] <ikonia> mlvmhn: ahh, sorry again, not you
[12:20] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: your hostname is roomworks.site
[12:20] <vin_> MnkeyDust: OK...
[12:20] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, it says while trying to sent : SMTP Error (454): Failed to add recipient<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(4.7.1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Relay access denied).
[12:20] <mrtAkdeniz> and on logs
[12:20] <mlvmhn> ikonia; stop drinking LOL ;)
[12:21] <mlvmhn> is ubuntu system monitor included in the OS?
[12:21] <mrtAkdeniz> http://pastie.org/private/q84xcxt6kej4ydzvoprhg
[12:21] <mrtAkdeniz> mlvmhn, on ubuntu desktop it should be
[12:21] <vin_> MonkeyDust:  Since I am stuck because of not knowing whether the current BIOS setting is to boot from the CD as the primary option, is there a way I can check/change this from ubuntu?
[12:21] <mrtAkdeniz> on server idk, my sysdev doing this stuff
[12:22] <Ubik_> hello  cannot change input device [french] in lubuntu 15  nothing in keyboard settings for input layout
[12:22] <mlvmhn> found it, but i can not run any scans?
[12:23] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: please show me the output of the command "hostname"  - just "hostname"
[12:23] <mrtAkdeniz> root@roomworks:/var/log# hostname
[12:23] <mrtAkdeniz> roomworks.site
[12:23] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: now hostname -f
[12:23] <mrtAkdeniz> root@roomworks:/var/log# hostname -f
[12:23] <mrtAkdeniz> roomworks.site
[12:24] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: what is in the postfix config file
[12:24] <mrtAkdeniz> which part?
[12:24] <ikonia> and what address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:24] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: for the hostname
[12:24] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, myhostname = roomworks.site
[12:25] <mrtAkdeniz> and this ip is my server's ip
[12:25] <mave_> hi, anyone familiar with this error on first boot after a fresh install of 15.10? ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist
[12:25] <mave_> 14.04 install fine
[12:25] <mrtAkdeniz> ifconfig confirms that
[12:26] <ikonia> so if you do nslookup <IP_ADDRESS> what do you get ?
[12:26] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, http://pastie.org/10519824
[12:26] <mrtAkdeniz> that should be problem..
[12:27] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: there is your answer then
[12:27] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, sorry but really did not get the answer yet :P
[12:27] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: your reverse lookup is wrong
[12:27] <mrtAkdeniz> now what is wrong, what is this "room.site" part? where it came from?
[12:28] <mrtAkdeniz> hmm
[12:29] <Mneuro> Is it possible to disable mouse acceleration in Ubuntu 15.10?
[12:31] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, should I change my resolv.conf file?
[12:31] <mrtAkdeniz> as a newbie, I googled "change reverse lookup" and it came with nothing
[12:31] <mrtAkdeniz> just dig, host and dnslookup codes
[12:33] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: if you're new - why are you trying to setup a mail server ?
[12:33] <ikonia> that is not something for the inexperienced
[12:33] <mrtAkdeniz> I'm a software developer and trying to create a new server for myself
[12:33] <mrtAkdeniz> like publishing works etc
[12:33] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: putting a mail server on the web is not a "toy"
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> yeah i saw that :\ ikonia
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> but I installed vimbadmin and getting mails fine
[12:34] <cfhowlett> mrtAkdeniz, better served in the #ubuntu-server channel perhaps?
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> only problem is sending..
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> omg cfhowlett sorry :(
[12:34] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: that is not a solution
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> you are right
[12:34] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, what you refer with "that"?
[12:35] <ikonia> vimbadmin
[12:35] <mrtAkdeniz> for what?
[12:35] <ikonia> use
[12:35] <mrtAkdeniz> i installed it to create mail accounts and control them
[12:35] <mrtAkdeniz> like using phpmyadmin
[12:35] <ikonia> and yet your mail server is not working.....
[12:35] <mrtAkdeniz> yeah :\
[12:35] <mave_> hi, anyone familiar with this error on first boot after a fresh install of 15.10? ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist
[12:35] <mave_> 14.04 installs fine
[12:36] <Ben64> mave_: whatever partition doesn't exist
[12:36] <mave_> it does exist with the uuid mentioned
[12:36] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, I spend my whole night for it and make getting mails work
[12:37] <Ben64> it didn't when the error was shown
[12:37] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: and yet - it's not working
[12:37] <mrtAkdeniz> i dont want to stop right now.. i mean i don't want to break up
[12:37] <mrtAkdeniz> getting mails are working o.O
[12:37] <mrtAkdeniz> problem appearing while sending
[12:37] <mrtAkdeniz> and i think it is because that dns lookup
[12:37] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: again - you are doing this without understanding the mail system or thge basics
[12:37] <k1l_> systemd is very picky when it comes to fstab entries. (since 15.04 ubuntu uses systemd)
[12:37] <ikonia> this is not something you should be doing as a toy - putting a mail server on the internet is not a "play thing"
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> ikonia, why?
[12:38] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: you can cause problems
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> without playing, how can I learn it?
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> on the web or on the my server?
[12:38] <ikonia> mrtAkdeniz: both
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> :\ ok
[12:38] <mrtAkdeniz> thanks for your time
[12:39] <Mneuro> Is it possible to disable mouse acceleration on Ubuntu 15.10?
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  in dconf-editor, find motion-acceleration
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  there's also org.gnome.desktop.a11y.keyboard > mousekeys-accel-time
[12:45] <Mneuro> how do i edit that? gconf-editor?
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  no, install dconf-editor, open it and then ctrl-f, find 'mouse'
[12:47] <Mneuro> thanks!
[12:51] <Mneuro> so mousekeys-accel-time turns off mouse acceleration?  set it to 0?
[12:52] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  no, my mistake, that's for the mousekeys on your keyboard
[12:52] <Mneuro> no problem.  which setting in dconf does mouse acceleration
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  i guess it's in org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.mouse
[12:55] <Mneuro> That just has double-click, drag-threshold and locate-pointer
[12:58] <MonkeyDust> Mneuro  i also found 'motion-treshold'... if that's not it, i'm out of ideas
[12:58] <Mneuro> alright no prob, thanks for trying
[13:02] <jml32ljl2> how do i enable universe and backports via a command for ubuntu?
[13:04] <heap_> hi
[13:04] <heap_> how can i create partitions based on the block size?
[13:04] <Windows3> my wireless only works after I suspend the computer. What should I do?
[13:07] <n1ck7> I've recently switched over to Ubuntu and I'm having some issues with my wireless adapter. It's an Atheros AR9485, and the problem I'm experiencing is the device randomly shuts off and stops working. The only way to connect to the internet again is by a restart
[13:07] <n1ck7> I posted in this thread with details of the output of dmesg - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2298681&page=2&p=13382668#post13382668
[13:07] <n1ck7> Can anyone help me? :)
[13:08] <mrtAkdeniz> Guys, how can I change the wrong hostname on "nslookup IP" ?
[13:08] <mrtAkdeniz> should I change the DNS?
[13:11] <sreejesh> hi
[13:12] <libracious> i have a small problem on ubuntu 15.10 i am getting this error W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/apt-fast/stable/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[13:12] <libracious> i added the repo using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saiarcot895/myppa
[13:12] <libracious> the repo works when on 15.04
[13:13] <libracious> so is there any way i can use vivid package and not wily
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | libracious
[13:19] <libracious> this ppa is not availble for wily so can i use force ubuntu to install vivid release instead of wily
[13:20] <ChargedLight> Hi. I currently have Windows and Ubuntu installed on the same drive (SSD 128GB). I installed windows first and then added ubuntu. But now i'm running out of free space on my ubuntu partition. Basially i need free space to install virtual machine, so it can be accessible when i work in Ubuntu. I've resized window's partition, so now i have unallocated partition (10 GB size) and now i need to mount it somehow. Here is the screenshot from gparted - ht
[13:20] <ChargedLight> tp://joxi.ru/4Akol09Hv3lnAq
[13:20] <ChargedLight> Question: How to mount this unallocated space so it will be visible under Ubuntu and i can use it?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, you have to join it to your sda5.
[13:21] <ChargedLight> yes, but how. And is it safe? i
[13:23] <cfhowlett> quickest way: delete linux-swap.  join all the allocated space to sda5.  reassign 4 gb to swap.
[13:24] <ChargedLight> cfhowlett, should i do all operations with partitions when booted from live usb?
[13:25] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, yes.  ONLY from the live usb
[13:25] <ChargedLight> ok, then another question ) how to boot from usb when i currently have grub2 installed. Bios don't see my usb stick as a boot option
[13:26] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, are you on live session now??
[13:27] <ChargedLight> cfhowlett, i am booted with my ubuntu now
[13:27] <ChargedLight> not live usb
[13:32] <ItsMrb> Hi All, A quick question for everyone. I have a minecraft server and I would like to start the minecraft.jar in a screen (Using screen -dmS mc java -Xmx1024M -Xms1024M -jar /srv/mc/minecraft_server.1.8.7.jar nogui) Hower the screen starts but terminates after a few seconds. I am planning to use that command on start up so I do nt have to start it by hand on reboot. Can anyone suggest a way to stop it terminating? Many Thamnks
[13:32] <ItsMrb> thanks*
[13:32] <jml32ljl2> anyone know if i can `sudo add-apt-repository trusty-backports` on ubuntu 14.04 with univserse enabled?
[13:32] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, unless the USB is faulty, bios should see it.  try a different USB
[13:33] <bekks> jml32ljl2: why wouldnt you?
[13:33] <jml32ljl2> i need the backports enabled and installed
[13:33] <jml32ljl2> automating it within travis
[13:33] <ChargedLight> cfhowlett, both ubuntu and windows see it. It's not the trouble with usb, it's because grub2 installed
[13:33] <bekks> jml32ljl2: And?
[13:33] <jml32ljl2> so it should work?
[13:34] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, grub2 should have no  issue either.
[13:34] <jml32ljl2> i need backports to install the 'shellcheck' packaged
[13:34] <jml32ljl2> i think the backports repository has the 'shellcheck' package
[13:34] <bekks> jml32ljl2: Then why dont you just enable it then?
[13:34] <jml32ljl2> i can't do it via nano
[13:34] <jml32ljl2> since, it's an automated travis build
[13:35] <jml32ljl2> used for linting, and unit tests
[13:35] <jml32ljl2> so i need to bake in the command to the config file
[13:35] <jml32ljl2> in .travis.yml, which is run on the travis server on the cloud
[13:36] <jml32ljl2> `sudo add-apt-repository trusty-backports` yields "Error: 'trusty-backports' invalid"
[13:36] <jml32ljl2> do i need a ppa?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> jml32ljl2, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nameofppa-ppa/name is the command
[13:45] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, since you're booting the live session, grub won't even see your USB.
[13:47] <ChargedLight> cfhowlett, what do you mean by live session? I've create bootable usb under windows (using unetbootin). After that i'm restarting my computer and getting to the grub2 screen. I have 4 optaions - Ubuntu, Ubuntu with options, Windows, Enter settings (BIOS)
[13:47] <cfhowlett> ChargedLight, when booting the live usb, reboot, immediately go into bios and tell it to boot the USB.  if you are getting the grub MENU, something is wrong.
[13:48] <friendofkiwi> hello guys :)
[13:49] <mikeyuf_> Hi there, newb here, trying to install server 14.04, hyper-V in windows 10, Anyone have a good guide to getting networking to work, specifically external access.  Added legacy adapter, connected to external switch but ifconfig -a only shows lo (loopback)
[13:49] <sallu> Hi
[13:49] <sallu> anyone using ubuntu in uefi mode enabled
[13:49] <sallu> ?
[13:50] <bekks> sallu: I bet a lot of people do.
[13:50] <Osirez> sallu: yea, it's pretty common to use UEFI for a newer computer
[13:50] <sallu> hmmmmmmmmm
[13:50] <friendofkiwi> anyone know how to get su access gui ?
[13:51] <sallu> wait let me call my university mate , he is teasing me to tell him all
[13:51] <sallu> he bought laptop very much expensive
[13:51] <sallu> wait a sec
[13:52] <byabbablabb_> friendofkiwi: su access to gui?
[13:52] <sallu> Osirez, well i am here now, he is coming here at this irc channel
[13:53] <sallu> Osirez, can you tell me , are you using the same
[13:53] <friendofkiwi> im trying to install xampp, i downloaded it manually, changed to executable, and now i need su privilege in gui mode :)
[13:53] <Osirez> sallu: yes I use UEFI
[13:53] <asd> hello
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> !xampp | friendofkiwi
[13:54] <sallu> Osirez, ok ,
[13:55] <sallu> Osirez, ok i tell you
[13:55] <asd> hello people
[13:55] <asd> i want you to say
[13:55] <asd> these words
[13:55] <cfhowlett> asd, ask your ubuntu questions.
[13:56] <asd> and you will be safe in byound
[13:56] <cfhowlett> asd this is ubuntu support.  stay on the topic please.
[13:56] <friendofkiwi> lotuspsychje: thanks :)
[13:57] <Osirez> sallu: Go for it. What's the question?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> friendofkiwi: np
[13:57] <asd> Ashhadu Alla Ellaha Ella Allah WA'na Muhamadan RAsoul lo Allah
[13:57] <cfhowlett> asd, wrong channel.  consider yourself added to my /ignore
[13:58] <mikeyuf_> If ifconfig -a only displays info on the lo adapter, does that mean it doesn't detect a network card? lspci returns an Ethernet controller?
[14:00] <akik> mikeyuf_: i followed this guide to share the network connection of the hyper-v host. you still need to have a network interface in your vm. http://blog.areflyen.no/2012/10/10/setting-up-internet-access-for-hyper-v-with-nat-in-windows-8/
[14:01] <mikeyuf_> akik:  That you for replying, I found a similiar guide with no luck, but maybe like you said, it is because
[14:01] <mikeyuf_> ifconfig -a only displays lo
[14:03] <akik> mikeyuf_: i think there are two types of network adapters in hyper-v manage4, legacy and new
[14:04] <akik> god i hate writing on a touch screen
[14:04] <mikeyuf_> akik: I have been messing with legacy all this time.
[14:09] <kubast2> Hey ,do you know how to "send" usb device into ubuntu virtualbox guest? I have installed vbox guest additions and choosed usb device on win host. Device was recognized for a short while on ubuntu ,but it no longer is and no matter what I do it's not seen in lsusb anymore.
[14:09] <kubast2> *I installed vbox guest additions on ubuntu guest
[14:09] <sallu> Osirez, i am coming back after prayer and will ask you queries about 15 minutes
[14:09] <sallu> be right back
[14:10] <kubast2> and choosed usb device to be inside of guest ,using vbox windows host.
[14:10] <cfhowlett> kubast2, see the vbox help menu
[14:11] <kubast2> I went to search ,typed in "usb" "No topics found"
[14:11] <cfhowlett> kubast2, click on your machine settings > usb
[14:11] <kubast2> yeah
[14:12] <kubast2> I have added the device from therre
[14:12] <kubast2> rebooted ubuntu too
[14:12] <kubast2> the windows recognizes "VirtualBox USB" ,but no device is present in ubuntu
[14:12] <akik> kubast2: maybe you need to install the vbox extensions too
[14:12] <kubast2> installed
[14:12] <mikeyuf_> akik:  I just removed legacy, added normal nic, connected to internal network and shared the vexternal switch like the guide, working (at least showing up in ifconfig now :))
[14:13] <akik> kubast2: i don't mean the guest additions
[14:13] <kubast2> oh
[14:14] <akik> kubast2: virtualbox extension pack
[14:15] <kubast2> on guest right
[14:15] <akik> kubast2: no. on host
[14:16] <cfhowlett> kubast2, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.0.8/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.0.8-103449.vbox-extpack
[14:16] <akik> kubast2: they ar3 installed through preferences
[14:16] <kubast2> ok I'll turn off vm and install additions
[14:17] <kubast2> *extension
[14:17] <akik> mikeyuf_: i think the guide says to use the internal switch
[14:19] <Guest973> works thx
[14:19] <Guest973> Bus 001 Device 002:
[14:19] <mikeyuf_> akik: I got networking working now, but I imaging it pulling an ip address on my private LAN, which is a 10. network, it is pulling a 192.168. address, any idea why?
[14:20] <akik> mikeyuf_: i 5hink it's the hyper-v manager giving that ip, unless you use the ext swi5ch?
[14:23] <juki> I upgraded to 15.10 and now my laptop boots to black screen.  Any help?
[14:25] <sima_> my xubuntu install with Virtualbox and Teamviewer installed, won't shut down
[14:25] <sima_> it is H81 motherboard, new machine
[14:25] <sima_> it just waits forever, never shutting down aether I shutdown in GUI or I shutdown with shutdown -P now
[14:26] <sima_> It is the problem for a user that asks me what is wrong with the computer and all is at stake now
[14:27] <sima_> oh yes, it is XUbuntu 14.04.3 LTS 64bit
[14:27] <demonlove> what is exactly LTS
[14:27] <cfhowlett> !LTS | demonlove
[14:28] <byabbablabb_> and what is next LTS?
[14:28] <[n0mad]> 16.04
[14:28] <byabbablabb_> ty
[14:28] <sima_> So it should work for supported period, but in practice some update to LTS broke some funcitionality for s ome short time, bu repair it also fast
[14:28] <sima_> So I would like to shut down..
[14:28] <demonlove> somone told me it releases during christmas
[14:29] <cfhowlett> then they lied to you
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> demonlove: 31 december is alpha
[14:34] <demonlove> Means?
[14:34] <skwishy> How can I determine which wifi driver I'm using?
[14:34] <k1l_> demonlove: 16.04 means its release date is april 2016
[14:34] <sima_> how do I post some related logs to see where does it holds instead of shutting down?
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> skwishy: sudo lshw -C network
[14:35] <skwishy> lotuspsychje: awesome, thanks!
[14:35] <cfhowlett> !paste | sima_
[14:35] <k1l_> skwishy: lspci -v
[14:35] <sima_> cfhowlett, that was not the question, question was what to paste from what log to debug it
[14:36] <k1l_> sima_: after a reboot the logs are cycled to log.0 or log.1. see /var/log/ for syslog etc
[14:37] <abkabkabk> anyone know how to make filename.cc:40 a clickable link in any term? i need a new term
[14:37] <skwishy> Does this line from lshw look like a good wireless driver? configuration: broadcast=yes driver=wl0 driverversion=<IP_ADDRESS> (r487574) ip=<IP_ADDRESS> latency=0 multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abg
[14:38] <mikeyuf_> Am I right assuming there is no way to natively use Ubuntu 14.04 on Hyper-V with networking besides using ICS sharing from an external switch to an internal switch?  I would rather just set the network settings in hyper-v to External so it will live on the same network as the host.
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> skwishy: yes, driver=
[14:39] <sima_> Yes, I also have MANY bugs reports popping up
[14:39] <sima_> Pointing to Team Viewer
[14:40] <sima_> I would also like to know how to turn off bug reports popping up but manually reporing them automatically
[14:40] <OerHeks> sima_, does your system shutdown properly when you stop teamviewer first? heard that issue before, and check the manufacturor of that mobo for bios updates.
[14:41] <OerHeks> sima_, filing a bugreport on teamviewer also helps, but we don't support teamviewer, as it is closed source.
[14:42] <akik> mikeyuf_: you don't get any network access with the external switch?
[14:42] <sima_> OerHeks, it is good question because Teamviewer has also soem background service, that does not actually closes but it is a good question and I would try
[14:44] <skwishy> Is there a good place to look for updated wifi drivers?
[14:44] <mikeyuf_> akik: well I'll be, just shutdown changed to the external network, now it is working, I swear it wasn't :)  Thanks again akik
[14:44] <cfhowlett> !wifi | skwishy
[14:49] <sima_> I had put acpi=force in /etc/default/grub , wish me luck on shutting down..
[14:50] <akik> mikeyuf_: can you describe the full setup?  :)
[14:50] <annamilofra> .xchat2/budus.so
[14:50] <balnaimi> +i
[14:51] <mikeyuf_> akik: My VMs setup, what part would you like me to describe?
[14:51] <akik> mikeyuf_: are you using the ics and external switch?
[14:52] <akik> mikeyuf_: alwo if dhcp gets the address from your external dhcp server
[14:52] <mikeyuf_> akik:  Well, I still have the vExternal shared to vInternal, but in the VMs network settings, I have the network set to External now, so DHCP is pulling from  my internal lan scope
[14:52] <mikeyuf_> 10.
[14:53] <JCT500THz> I need some help with installing Ubuntu 14.04.
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> !ask | JCT500THz
[14:53] <abkabkabk> anyone know how to make filename.cc:40 a clickable link in any term? i need a new term
[14:54] <akik> mikeyuf_: i didn't follow but congrats
[14:54] <JCT500THz> ?
[14:54] <EriC^^> abkabkabk: a clickable link in a term?
[14:54] <abkabkabk> yea, like in uxrvt
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> JCT500THz: before we can help, we need a question from you
[14:54] <EriC^^> oh, no idea
[14:54] <JCT500THz> Okay.
[14:55] <ratrace> Guys, how can I reboot 15.04 into command line? I tried appending "text" to the kernel line in grub menu but that didn't seem to work. I'm guessing systemd requires something else? I can't seem to find what.
[14:55] <JCT500THz> How do I assign more space to the partition I want to install to? Right now I'm using the live disk.
[14:56] <uwily> ratrace: try rescue mode from grub
[14:57] <ratrace> uwily: isn't that for the busybox shell?
[15:00] <uwily> ratrace: sorry, rescue mode from boot menu.
[15:02] <skwishy> Using chrome in ubuntu, is there a way to change the key mapping so that Ctrl-Alt-C will work the same as ctrl-C for "copy", instead of opening the developer tools?
[15:03] <demonlove> use firefox
[15:03] <demonlove> its open-source
[15:03] <skwishy> it's so slow tho :(
[15:03] <skwishy> well, the way I'm misusing my browser with a million tabs, it's slow
[15:04] <prsteele> Hello everyone, I'm having trouble rebooting and powering down. The reboot/shutdown sequence hangs after it says "Unmounting local filesystems... [OK]" and then never progresses. Any thoughts on where to start looking?
[15:04] <blithen> Any thoughts as to why Mate wouldn't be listed in my available DEs at login?
[15:04] <prsteele> this isn't new hardware; this machine was running fine for several years before it started
[15:05] <edlinde> hi all, I am thinking of installing Ubuntu
[15:05] <edlinde> I have never used it before
[15:05] <blithen> prsteele: maybe try this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/508029/ubuntu-14-04-stuck-on-shutdown
[15:06] <cfhowlett> !install | edlinde,
[15:06] <edlinde> was using Fedora 22.. but it doesn't seem to be working well for me
[15:06] <cfhowlett> edlinde, it's easy to learn, documentation and support are abundant.
[15:06] <prsteele> blithen: I have tried a few of those fixes, and nothing seemed to come of it
[15:06] <edlinde> cfhowlett, should I install 15?
[15:06] <prsteele> blithen: I'm skeptical that would be the fix anyway, since my GRUB file was working fine before, unless an update changed it
[15:07] <cfhowlett> edlinde, me: 14.04 Long Term Support.  YMMV.  15.10 is the latest.
[15:07] <blithen> If you haven't tried that yet, it'd be worth a shot. Can't hurt to try.
[15:07] <edlinde> so I should go with 15.10 right?
[15:07] <cfhowlett> edlinde, sure.
[15:07] <edlinde> do I make a usb booter?
[15:07] <cfhowlett> !usb | edlinde,
[15:07] <edlinde> like a live-usb
[15:08] <edlinde> or you suggest something easier?
[15:08] <blithen> edlinde: you can, you don't have to though. Whatever your preferred way is.
[15:08] <edlinde> blithen, what are the other ways?
[15:08] <cfhowlett> edlinde, see the link I sent you.  unetbootin can make a live USB and I'm pretty sure fedora has live usb creator tools that would work.
[15:08] <OerHeks> edlinde, burn a dvd, or make a live usb
[15:09] <edlinde> oh I have live usb creator installed on Fedora
[15:09] <cfhowlett> edlinde,  I *think* that can create an ubuntu USB
[15:09] <edlinde> so I just download the latest Ubuntu iso and install on usb stick
[15:09] <cfhowlett> yep
[15:09] <edlinde> ok will give it a shot
[15:09] <martin_r> edlinde i suggest you try live boot as others suggested before installing the ting, you will probably though find unbutu much friendlier than fedora
[15:09] <JCT500THz> I'm using the live disk boot, and I'm planning on installing Ubuntu to my 4th partition. But I don't need to ask anything about it right now, yet.
[15:10] <JCT500THz> Specifically, 14.04 LTS.
[15:11] <prsteele> side note, is there any inherent problem with doing REISUB every time I try to fix this? Because for now that's the only way I can actually reboot
[15:11] <edlinde> yeah fedora is killing me with the new dnf
[15:12] <edlinde> keeps getting stuck on 99%
[15:12] <cfhowlett> edlinde, try a live boot, see what's what.
[15:12] <cfhowlett> or install virtualbox to fedora, then install lubuntu to vbox
[15:12] <edlinde> I just need something that can work out of the box with most hardware like printer and connect to wifi easily
[15:12] <edlinde> I think Ubuntu might do all that much easier than other distros
[15:12] <blithen> prsteele: I don't even know what that means so it's a bit above my dumb head. ;)
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> edlinde: depends on the hardware also
[15:13] <prsteele> blithen: ctrl-alt-sysreq-{r,e,i,s,u,b} will... force a reboot
[15:13] <prsteele> blithen: it sends signals to halt everything that will listen, and the boots
[15:13] <cfhowlett> edlinde, they elves and gremlins work hard at user-friendliness and hardware support so unless you have some brand new or exotic hardware you should be good.
[15:13] <edlinde> lotuspsychje, yeah but I remember a collegue with the same laptop installing ubuntu and hving no troubles with it
[15:13] <prsteele> blithen: mnemonic: Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken
[15:14] <abkabkabk> hah
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> edlinde: yeah on LTS many things go fine on ubuntu :p
[15:14] <edlinde> the laptop is 3 yrs old :)
[15:14] <iamrohit7> wily werewolf is awesome.
[15:14] <edlinde> I am downloading 15 though.. not LTS
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> edlinde: but still depends wich chipset of the hardware
[15:14] <JCT500THz> Does 15 even have an LTS yet?
[15:15] <prsteele> alright, anyone know where the log files are for teh reboot sequence? Trying to learn to learn here
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> !lts | JCT500THz
[15:15] <cfhowlett> JCT500THz, 15 will NEVER be lts
[15:15] <JCT500THz> I though only 14.04 had an LTS
[15:15] <JCT500THz> That's the one I'm installing.
[15:15] <prsteele> next LTS is 16.04?
[15:15] <mrtesty> guys how do we prevent DNS leaks when using Network Manager a lot?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> prsteele, corect
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> !xenial | prsteele
[15:16] <mrtesty> what my NM does it adds nameservers to resolv.conf
[15:16] <prsteele> thank you
[15:16] <mrtesty> and I want it to clear it for each connection and input only DNS as per the configuration
[15:16] <mrtesty> of Wifi or VPN etc
[15:16] <mrtesty> but it won't do likewise
[15:17] <JCT500THz> It's taking forever to resise these partitions.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> prsteele: you can find logs at /var/log
[15:21] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: any idea which would log shutdown info? There's an obvious /var/log/boot.log for boot, but none I can see for shutdown. Or would it just be buried in dmsg?
[15:21] <EriC^^> prsteele: you can press esc while the shutdown splash is there
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> prsteele: press esc or f1 during shutdown
[15:21] <EriC^^> to see stuff
[15:22] <prsteele> ah, thanks EriC^^, lotuspsychje, that sems promising
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> prsteele: whats going wrong exactly?
[15:23] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: when I reboot, it never completes
[15:23] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: when I hit ESC or any F key, it just toggles the splash screen, but there is no useful information anymore
[15:23] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: it used to get to "Unmounting local filesystems... [OK]" before hanging
[15:24] <C_minus> Hello all. I have been corresponding intermittently with #ubuntu regulars like cfhowlett, TJ, lotuspsychje about my WIFI issues (dell factory ubuntu, intel 7260 card). Taking hours to connect, sometimes failing all together. I thought it might interest you to know that since our ISP provided us with a different model router, the connection issues have disappeared!
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> prsteele: you can try to set grub to quiet splash= off ""
[15:24] <cfhowlett> C_minus, happy2hearit!
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> !yay | C_minus
[15:24] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: I tried removing the quiet splash line entirely, that didn't seem to help. I just got the same text with no splash
[15:24] <C_minus> It was a crappy D-Link router before, now its a Huewei.
[15:24] <C_minus> *Huawei
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> prsteele: did you sudo update-grub after?
[15:25] <C_minus> Thanks fellas.
[15:26] <prsteele> lotuspsychje: yes. Now it's not frozen; when I REISUB, I see each command print a log message, and then it reboots. I can even ctrl-alt-f6 to get to another login screen, not that I can type there
[15:27] <Roscoe> trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 32 Bit from USB stick to Windows XP computer. I believe the USB stick is good but cant get the installation menu to boot, any advice?
[15:27] <cfhowlett> Roscoe, 32 bit XP era computer??? Lubuntu, not ubuntu.
[15:28] <cfhowlett> lubuntu can fit on a CD
[15:28] <togo> i just installed hexchat and it autoconnected me here
[15:28] <Roscoe> Lubuntu ? Same installation process?
[15:28] <prsteele> togo: welcome
[15:28] <cfhowlett> Roscoe, yep.  not sure your computer supports USB boot, so CD might be your only option
[15:29] <C_minus> So having been on ubuntu for a few months now, I've totally come round to the idea that linux is how a computer is meant to be used. But recently when somebody asked me why that is, what's different about linux, i was a bit stumped. So the file system is different to windows (/ instead of drive letters), the kernel can be replaced without even rebooting (somehow!!). What else?
[15:29] <cfhowlett> C_minus, you're not "leasing" the software from the publishers
[15:29] <prsteele> C_minus: it comes with the tools you need to make it better
[15:30] <Roscoe> No CD burner on this Dell - How about going back to version 12.04 which is stillsupported?
[15:30] <C_minus> but i mean from a computer science perspective, rather than a commercial/legal perspective.
[15:30] <cfhowlett> C_minus, opensource = no hidden backdoors and surprises.
[15:31] <elosz> what's the difference between extended security and trusted extended attributes ? http://linux.die.net/man/5/attr
[15:31] <cfhowlett> Roscoe, lubuntu 14.04.3 = 750.8 mb .iso
[15:32] <C_minus> is there something particular about its architecture/design that distinguishes it from windows? in my experience it's a lot more similar to mac os, but without all the restrictions of course.
[15:32] <C_minus> is it that linux and mac are "unix like"?
[15:33] <cfhowlett> C_minus, suggestion as we quickly getting off-topic.  as these questions in ##linux
[15:33] <C_minus> good point
[15:33] <Roscoe> thanks Ill give it a try
[15:34] <C_minus> well i mainly came to declare my victory over my old router and to thank you guys for the support. see ya real soon kids!
[15:34] <cfhowlett> C_minus, go forth and sin no more ...
[15:35] <prsteele> can anyone running Ubuntu >= 14.04 tell me the output of `cat /proc/cmdline` ?
[15:35] <prsteele> would like to compare
[15:35] <cfhowlett> prsteele, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13027520/
[15:35] <prsteele> cfhowlett: thank you
[15:36] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[15:36] <prsteele> damn, almost the same (different kernel image)
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> elosz: maybe the #ubuntu-devel guys know more of this?
[15:36] <elosz> will check it out, ty lotuspsychje
[15:45] <kaspi> hi guys, one of my libs is missing "libmysqlclient_r.so.16"... any idea how to install it to the system?
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> !find libmysqlclient
[15:46] <streulma> hello can I stop loading my battery at 80 percent ?
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> !info libmysqlclient18
[15:47] <kaspi> It literally requires "libmysqlclient_r.so.16"
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> kaspi: yes, but it might be a part of another package
[15:50] <prsteele> so for those of you following along at home, the reboot problem *seems* to have been fixed by `sudo apt-get install ubuntu-standard`. Unsure what this could have done.
[15:50] <TJ-> elosz: Trusted extended attributes require the process to have CAP_SYS_ADMIN to see and access them
[15:50] <OerHeks> streulma, depends on the laptopmodel, some vendors allow charging to your limit but that would not prolong its lifetime,its a myth.
[15:50] <kaspi1> I've installed libmysqlclient18 already through
[15:51] <Razzdoll> Why is it that ubuntu 15 vivid seems more like Windows then ever? Every day there are updates from the software manager.
[15:51] <elosz> TJ-: if i want the attribute  to be only read by any process but it should not be writeable even by superuser, which one to use?
[15:51] <cfhowlett> Razzdoll, 1.  unfair  2. untrue.
[15:51] <MonkeyDust> Razzdoll  what's wrong with security updates? if you want them less often, change the settings
[15:52] <Razzdoll> cfhowlett, no itsvery true
[15:52] <cfhowlett> but if you'd rather use an OS that doesn't get upgrades, you're welcome to it.
[15:52] <vivid> debian doesnt have security updates every day, i suppose that means its insecure
[15:52] <Razzdoll> lol
[15:52] <Razzdoll> good point
[15:52] <OerHeks> Razzdoll, updates are bad and costs a lot of money, no?
[15:52] <mrtesty> Do you know how to prevent DNS Leaks?
[15:53] <Razzdoll> nope
[15:53] <mrtesty> NM adds VPN ip to resolv.conf
[15:53] <mrtesty> and some sites shows my DNS
[15:53] <mrtesty> as well
[15:53] <mrtesty> so I think it is leaking
[15:53] <mrtesty> dnsleaktest.com suucks
[15:53] <mrtesty> dnsleak.com <-- rocks
[15:54] <Razzdoll> lol what
[15:54] <kaspi1> This is what I get http://pastie.org/10520195
[15:54] <TJ-> elosz: I'm not sure that's possible. superuser (UID 0) will have CAP_SYS_ADMIN
[15:54] <kaspi1> even through libmysqlclient is installed
[15:55] <hume> hi.. I have a problem with a swap partition - it seems not to be used. How do I make it active?
[15:55] <elosz> TJ-: true. I want to prevent it from writing the attribute.Let's see.
[15:56] <Razzdoll> cfhowlett, no i rather an os with updates. requiring a restart for every one of them is on the path of windows though.
[15:56] <vivid> yeah, the daily kernel updates are quite annoying
[15:56] <OerHeks> Razzdoll, untrue, not all updates require reboot
[15:56] <Razzdoll> how can you say untrue OerHeks when I am the one who does it
[15:57] <TJ-> elosz: It must be possible, thinking about it. SELinux makes use of it as do some of the other security modules
[15:57]  * cfhowlett reminds himself that some people are *never* satisfied.
[15:57] <MonkeyDust> Razzdoll  System settings > Software & Updates > Updates
[15:57] <TJ-> elosz: probably a good question for  ##kernel although possibly not until a weekday
[15:57] <elosz> i am also thinking/googling..let me know if you find anything TJ- and i'll let you know too
[15:58] <Razzdoll> cfhowlett, it's only a conversation. you relax mr
[15:58] <elosz> i asked TJ- .."<derRichard> elosz: IIRC the lsm defines that. so, you need to read its policy"
[15:58] <TJ-> elosz: try reading up on SELinux; that should give you a good idea
[15:58] <elosz> yeah TJ-
[15:58] <TJ-> elosz: right, so SELinux is the best documented
[15:59] <elosz> TJ-: i think i've better way:P I am setting all 4 attributes on file in kernel and then will see what happens on user-side
[15:59] <Razzdoll> MonkeyDust,  :)
[16:00] <prsteele> entirely new line of questions. I have a second monitor that I have rotated, and would like the OS to know about this. I can do this with xrandr, and I currently have a script in my .xprofile to call the appropriate xrandr commands. However, this only happens after I login, and so (for example) lightdm is sideways. I would have assumed this means editing my xorg.conf file, but it seems that "this file is no longer necessary". It also
[16:00] <prsteele> seems that I can put a file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d to have similar effects, however all of the files currently there have a 2-digit prefix. Anyone know what prefix I'd need for a user-generated file there?
[16:00] <MonkeyDust> Razzdoll  it's a bit less 'Windows' now, no?
[16:01] <Razzdoll> MonkeyDust i suppose :P
[16:01] <vivid> prsteele: i have my monitor stuff under "50"
[16:01] <MrMart> If I want to do a full backup of my hdd which is 265 GB, what should I use then? I like dd but a image on 256 GB isn't the most optimal solution
[16:02] <TJ-> prsteele: "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/"
[16:03] <cfhowlett> !clone | MrMart
[16:03] <prsteele> vivid: and from what I'm reading... that just puts it late in lexicographic order?
[16:03] <TJ-> prsteele: i use "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/01fix-rotation-physical-dimensions" to fix-up physical monitor dimensions for rotated monitors
[16:04] <prsteele> TJ-: thanks. ANy reason you use /etc/X11/Xsession.d instead of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
[16:04] <vivid> i suppose late depends on what else is there..
[16:05] <JCT500THz> I resized my partitions.
[16:05] <prsteele> vivid: sorry, yes, it is relative. But the numbers have no inherent meaning, and are just used to control ordering?
[16:05] <vivid> i believe so
[16:05] <TJ-> prsteele: anything under /usr/share/ is for installation by packages. Local changes should be under /etc/
[16:05] <prsteele> thanks, that seems to be what I'm reading
[16:05] <TJ-> prsteele: numbering is for ordering, yes
[16:05] <prsteele> TJ-: that is a useful convention to know, thank you
[16:05] <TJ-> prsteele: those scripts are usually called (in scripts) by run-parts
[16:06] <JCT500THz> How do I install Ubuntu... Without Grub2?
[16:06] <Quitta> Hi, I'm trying to save a environment variable so it survives a computer restart, I tried this by adding to the .profile file "export VARNAMEX=3", however if I do printenv it doesn't list it. What am I doing wrong?
[16:06] <TJ-> JCT500THz: tell the installer not to install a bootloader
[16:07] <JCT500THz> TJ-, Ok, I'll figure out how to do that.
[16:07] <MrMart> ubottu: apt-clone doesn't backup my entire drive, right? Im sorry if I was unclear but I want full hdd backup which includes kernels, confs, home and etc
[16:07] <prsteele> Quitta: what desktop environment? Different ones source different files, from what I can tell
[16:07] <TJ-> Quitta: it depends in which shell the user is using as to whether ~/.profile is sourced or not
[16:08] <TJ-> JCT500THz: the bootloader option is either at the end of the partitioner stage (there's a combo-dropdown box with a default choice pre-selected), or the last question of the installer (depending on which release and flavour)
[16:08] <Quitta> Hmm I just made a clean install of Ubuntu 14.3.0 and try to make it so the environment variable is loaded when I start a terminal window.
[16:08] <JCT500THz> TJ-, I run 14.04 LTS
[16:08] <prsteele> Quitta: .bashrc, .bash_profile ?
[16:08] <prsteele> Quitta: assuming you use Bash
[16:09] <JCT500THz> I'm on the partition table menu.
[16:09] <MrMart> cfhowlett: man clone isnt what im looking for is it?
[16:09] <JCT500THz> There's 4 partitions.
[16:09] <JCT500THz> I want to install Ubuntu to the fourth partition, and no bootloader.
[16:09] <akik> what's the self configured part for /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d if those files shouldn't be edited?
[16:10] <OerHeks> JCT500THz, why do you want no bootloader?
[16:10] <TJ-> JCT500THz: I think the boot-loader option combo comes in the next stage, after you've confirmed the partitioning
[16:10] <JCT500THz> Because I have to disk to boot Ubuntu with
[16:10] <Quitta> prsteele: I believe so, it's Im using the default settings of ubuntu so I guess. I read I needed to add the variable in $HOME/.profile
[16:10] <JCT500THz> A*
[16:10] <prsteele> akik: TJ- said /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[16:11] <JCT500THz> I click on the fourth partition, and then "Change", right?
[16:11] <TxLinuxNetbook> amba
[16:11] <prsteele> Quitta: try putting it in your .bashrc and see what happens. Just open a new terminal window after you do it to check, no reboot or logout required
[16:11] <JCT500THz> And then, "Use As: [Ext4 journaling file system]" right?
[16:11] <JCT500THz> Do I assign a mount point?
[16:12] <JCT500THz> Right now, as far as I can tell, there's no mount point.
[16:12] <OerHeks> JCT500THz, remove the 4th partition, and let ubuntu handle partitioning, easy
[16:12] <Quitta> Seems my network crashed prsteele, so if you said something I might have missed it. It seems to work if I save it in the .bashrc file instead of the .profile file
[16:13] <prsteele> Quitta: great. Your bashrc is sourced whenever you launch an interactive bash session
[16:13] <akik> Xsession.d contains scripts and xorg.conf.d xorg configuration snippets
[16:13] <TJ-> prsteele: akik /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ is where packages can install  extensions for xorg.conf, such as quirks for buggy hardware
[16:13] <Quitta> what do you mean by sourced, if you don't mind me asking prsteele
[16:13] <maddawg2> anyone here have any experience configuring VLANs with ubuntu
[16:13] <maddawg2> ?
[16:14] <prsteele> Quitta: source filename evaluates that file, e.g. loading environment variables defined in it. `source` can also be pronounced `.`, e.g. `. .bashrc` is equivalent to `source .bashrc`
[16:14] <JCT500THz> When I create a new partition to run Ubuntu on, do I select "Primary", or "Logical"?
[16:14] <prsteele> Quitta: It basically means "pretend I wrote each line of that file directly in the terminal window"
[16:14] <TJ-> JCT500THz: yes, if the 4th partition is intended as home for Ubuntu, it should be set to be the root file-system which is the "/" mount point
[16:14] <Quitta> aha, never heard of it before, need to look it up :) Thanks for the info prsteele
[16:14] <JCT500THz> Okay.
[16:15] <JCT500THz> Do I leave it at "Beginning of this space"?
[16:15] <TJ-> Quitta: if you see in a script or at the terminal ". /path/to/some/file" that "." is short for "source /path/to/some/file"
[16:15] <prsteele> Quitta: you're welcome!
[16:16] <Quitta> thanks TJ- and prsteele. :)
[16:17] <JCT500THz> The button for the next menu says "Install Now", Will it give me a choice for the bootloader in the next menu?
[16:18] <TJ-> JCT500THz: You should have seen it by now
[16:18] <JCT500THz> I formatted sda4 and set it to ext4 with the mount point at "/"
[16:18] <TJ-> JCT500THz: was it not at the bottom of the screen in the partitioning summary?
[16:19] <JCT500THz> "Device for boot loader installation"?
[16:19] <Zeldhoron> i'm getting this intresting thing when i try to run a ubuntu live usb on a ubuntu device, i get to the live usb grub interface, i selected ubuntu, then it boots, but when its running its not running from the live usb but from the device itself
[16:20] <TJ-> JCT500THz: that's it
[16:20] <JCT500THz> TJ-, which option do I select in the drop down box, specifically?
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> Zeldhoron  so it didnt boot from the live usb
[16:21] <JCT500THz> It has /dev/sda, and then /sda1, 2, 3, and 4.
[16:21] <Zeldhoron> it did at first, i got the grub bootloader from the usb
[16:21] <Zeldhoron> but it seems to load the settings etc from the hard drive in the laptop
[16:21] <TJ-> JCT500THz: there should be a check-box to en/dis-able installing the bootloader
[16:21] <JCT500THz> I don't see anything.
[16:22] <MrMart> I want to make a full backup of my hdd, what are my alternatives? Preferably options that doesn't take up as much space as dd
[16:22] <MonkeyDust> MrMart  backup your /home
[16:23] <MonkeyDust> MrMart  i misread, disregard my comment
[16:23] <JCT500THz> I'm going to put it on Imgur to show you what it looks like.
[16:23] <TJ-> JCT500THz: I'm looking at some screenshots, and indeed, I do not see the bootloader option!
[16:24] <JCT500THz> TJ-, yes, I don't see it, all I see is a drop down box.
[16:24] <TJ-> JCT500THz: are you able to *delete* the text in the "Device for boot loader installation:" combo box?
[16:24] <JCT500THz> TJ-, No, it will only allow me to pick a partition.
[16:25] <TJ-> JCT500THz: that is bad! It also shows how long ago I last used that installer!
[16:25] <JCT500THz> Hmm...
[16:26] <JCT500THz> Maybe I can install it to another partition that I don't need, but at the same time, it won't load it from that partition?
[16:26] <JCT500THz> It would try to load it from /dev/sda/, right?
[16:26] <TJ-> JCT500THz: that's hardly a good solution though
[16:26] <JCT500THz> But if I put it on /dev/sda3 it wouldn't even load, right?
[16:26] <TJ-> JCT500THz: correct, which would over-write anything already there
[16:27] <JCT500THz> It's a useless, unused partition.
[16:27] <JCT500THz> I could use it to hold Grub2 and not load Grub2.
[16:28] <JCT500THz> Would that work?
[16:28] <TJ-> JCT500THz: possibly. I'm reading on the wiki that the workaround style you suggest is required!! That's totally useless
[16:29] <JCT500THz> So, it will work? it won't load?
[16:30] <JCT500THz> TJ-, I have SuperGrub2Disk, specifically so I can boot from a disk.
[16:31] <JCT500THz> So assigning it to a useless partition will work?
[16:31] <TJ-> JCT500THz: although grub may error out for being installed to a partition; I know it warns, but not sure if that will cause the installer to stop
[16:33] <JCT500THz> TJ-, what do you mean, it may have errors?
[16:33] <JCT500THz> During bootup?
[16:33] <TJ-> JCT500THz: during installation
[16:33] <TJ-> JCT500THz: grub doesn't like installing to partitions, because it knows it cannot be booted that way
[16:33] <JCT500THz> TJ-, Okay, I'll try to install it to a partition.
[16:33] <JCT500THz> Hmm...
[16:34] <TJ-> JCT500THz: the only other thing I can think to do is get to the "Install Now" step and wait there, open a terminal, find the Debian-Installer (d-i) dconf database and change the setting for bootloader to 'no'
[16:35] <TJ-> JCT500THz: I'm trying to reproduce your issue here, albeit with 15.10 Kubuntu, to find the dconf
[16:36] <JCT500THz> TJ-, I'm installing Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:36] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Ive been working with the guys in #kubuntu trying to solve a issue with my laptop and (k)ubuntu 15.10 and an Nvidia driver. I've tried both the nvidia-340 and nvidia-352 drivers without success. When i get past the kubuntu splash screen i don't get a login screen. Just blackness
[16:36] <TJ-> JCT500THz: makes no difference; the GUI is just a front-end for d-i
[16:37] <hazamonzo> the graphics card is a K2100M on a thinkpad W541 (its a pretty new laptop) but im told the graphics card should be well supported
[16:37] <JCT500THz> TJ-, oh.
[16:37] <hazamonzo> Its also worth mentioning that this is a hybrid laptop with an intel card also
[16:37] <erxr3> Hello everyone, how can I remove files from a filled-up OS-drive?
[16:38] <erxr3> I have access to the files from another OS
[16:38] <TJ-> hazamonzo: sounds like nvidia-prime isn't correctly working. That is supposed to handle the switching with Optimus systems
[16:38] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Yeah. We checked and nvidia-prime is installed but im not sure how its meant to work / not work
[16:39] <hazamonzo> TJ-: I have a load of pastebin based on the command executed that i was told to do in #kubuntu if you're interested?
[16:40] <TJ-> hazamonzo: I try to keep away from Optimus, its such a mess
[16:40] <hazamonzo> TJ-: The interesting part was that i have to run the laptop with the grub option nomodeset initially to get the OS installed
[16:40] <hazamonzo> Im told that was the first mistake
[16:40] <TJ-> hazamonzo: there's a "gpu-manager" that also examines and does something at boot-time, and I know it writes a log-file under /var/log/ which may contain some clues
[16:41] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Okay. I can take a look at that. All i have is a basic terminal at the moment
[16:41] <TJ-> hazamonzo: "nomodeset" prevents the video driver using the kernel mode-setting to change video modes, so yes, it can cure some problems but leads to others. Rock and a hard place, sometimes.
[16:42] <TJ-> hazamonzo: also /var/log/Xorg.0.log should reveal what is going on, or else /var/log/lightdm/ logs
[16:42] <hazamonzo> TJ-: You're right. To get into the OS i had to use nomodeset. Then once in i tried the various nvidia drivers (352 and 340)
[16:42] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Okay. I'll take a look at that log also
[16:43] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Is there anything i should look out for in the gpu-manager.log first?
[16:43] <TJ-> hazamonzo: provided the PC is no longer using nomodeset it ought to work, even if the boot splash screen is blank
[16:43] <TJ-> hazamonzo: I only know its there from other investigations, but as it is related to GPU detection, I'd infer there's some useful info there
[16:44] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Okay. Well grub is not hard coded to use nomodeset, i just override it if i want to at least get to a terminal. Without it the OS freezes after the splash
[16:44] <hazamonzo> And i don't have a UI or terminal
[16:45] <PanV> Since I am sick of Ubuntu, and now I don't have a tablet, until Windows 10 supports Windows 8.1 keys (Monday) I would like to have a temporary Ubuntu system. But for some reason, with my LiveUSB Unetbootin could not be installed. Any help?
[16:45] <Fjorgynn> hello
[16:46] <Fjorgynn> I've got a question. Can I remove the gui updater? When I do apt-get update it always say "Hey here is your new stuff"
[16:46] <Renfried> you can tell it not to inform you of updates, or only show once a week or fortnight if you want
[16:46] <MonkeyDust> Fjorgynn   System settings > Software & Updates > Updates ... try setting it to 'never'
[16:47] <Renfried> but why would you? for me it is a good reminder, I have security and normal updates to display immediately, or I would forget
[16:48] <blah-> happy Halloween :)
[16:48] <SchrodingersScat> reminder? he just ran apt-get update, I normally just close the window and don't mind
[16:48] <hazamonzo> TJ-: Ooft. Xorg.log has a fair amount of info... Not sure what im really looking for
[16:48] <Fjorgynn> hm
[16:49] <cheetahw26> I need a small/affordable mini/micro-pc that I can use with Ubuntu, needs ethernet, ability to play 1080p videos, and HDMI for a commercial solution, audio port is a plus, but not mandatory...
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> cheetahw26  ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:50] <cheetahw26> some very nice people at #hardware recommended an MSI Cubi or Intel NUC, but I haven't been able to find any information on them running Linux, they all seem to have Windows 8
[16:50] <cheetahw26> oh... thanks
[16:51] <PanV> Since I am sick of Ubuntu, and now I don't have a tablet, until Windows 10 supports Windows 8.1 keys (Monday) I would like to have a temporary Ubuntu system. But for some reason, with my LiveUSB Unetbootin could not be installed. Any help?
[16:51] <PanV> Sorry for repeating myself.
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> PanV  next time, drop the rant part
[16:53] <neurocroc> how to upgrade to windows 10
[16:54] <k1l_> neurocroc: ask ##windows
[16:55] <loa> how i can downgrade my ubuntu?
[16:56] <k1l_> loa: you cant downgrade the whole ubuntu release
[16:56] <MonkeyDust> loa  not, install an earlier release instead
[16:56] <MonkeyDust> loa  maybe there's a a different sollution for your issue, start from the beginning
[16:58] <anas> hi
[16:59] <erxr3> Hello everyone, how can I remove files from a filled-up OS-drive? I have access to the files from another OS, but cannot change permissions via gui
[17:00] <uRock> WHen I run uname -r the terminal shows I am running 3.13.0-35-generic. Is this accurate? Synaptic shows I the latest installed as being 3.13.0-66.
[17:00] <people> [code]Just testing[/code]
[17:01] <uRock> erxr3, if you have synaptic package manager installed, then you can uninstall older kernels to free up space. I did this on my wife's ubuntu yesterday and cleared up 2GB in the system partition.
[17:01] <TJ-> uRock: 'uname' reads the running kernel version
[17:02] <bekks> erxr3: For doing that, you may install the 'bikeshed' package, which provides 'purge-old-kernels'.
[17:02] <uRock> TJ, is it odd to be running on the oldest kernel listed in the package manager?
[17:02] <erxr3> uRock, yes, I have synaptic installed, but can I find this old kernel from another system?
[17:02] <TJ-> uRock: usually the latest installed kernel should be listed first in GRUBs menu.
[17:03] <erxr3> bekks, also the installation of this system is very fresh, can there be old kernels still?
[17:03] <uRock> TJ, thanks. I'll reboot and see if it is using that one.
[17:03] <bekks> erxr3: Theoretically, every update can provide a new kernel, leaving you with an additional old kernel.
[17:03] <mr_lou> Hello. I've been using a Samsung 22" TV + a Sony 40" TV as cloned monitors for years without problems. Now I've replaced the Sony 40" TV with some other cheap 22" TV, that Ubuntu recognizes as "OEM 7"" and doesn't offer any acceptable resolution. Is there a relative easy fix for this?
[17:04] <bekks> erxr3: I'm using that tool mentioned above regularly, for getting rid of old kernels.
[17:04] <TJ-> uRock: does this list all the installed kernels, with the most recent first?  "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[17:04] <erxr3> bekks, I guess I haven't even run any updates yet on the new system.
[17:04] <erxr3> yet I can still try the tool.
[17:05] <TJ-> mr_lou: the display is expected to provide its supported modes in an EDID data strcuture. It may not be doing that. Check /var/log/xorg.0.log to see if the EDID is being received, and if it is mbeing reported corrupt
[17:05] <bekks> erxr3: If you havent run any updates yet - how large/small is your / then?
[17:05] <loa> MonkeyDust, i upgraded to ubuntu 15.10 and i have strange filling when working with firefox and chromium, they are behaving strange, firefox flickering on some pages, chromium sometimes staying in pending requests to page forever/
[17:05] <loa> MonkeyDust, looks like software is not so stable in ubuntu 15.10
[17:05] <erxr3> bekks, it is 20gb
[17:06] <bekks> erxr3: And is it / which is full?
[17:06] <uRock> TJ, yes. Oddly it shows that one first, then 3.13.0-24 afterwards and none of the more recent kernels. There are 12 newer kernels listed as installed.
[17:06] <erxr3> bekks, yes
[17:06] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/10517424#15   cant do the job, i need copy a file from server1 to server2, i try generate a ssh certificate, and ask and ask me the password any adivce?
[17:06] <sallu> Osirez, are you there
[17:06] <sallu> Osirez, i am free now
[17:06] <erxr3> bekks, while installing bikeshed I am asked if I want to install some packages w/o verification
[17:07] <jak2000> sallu can advice me please
[17:07] <bekks> erxr3: yeah.
[17:07] <erxr3> ok, thank you
[17:07] <MonkeyDust> loa  you can always backup and install 14.04 LTS ... 16.04 will be released in april, you can upgrade directly LTS > LTS
[17:07] <sallu> jak2000, what kind of advice you need now?
[17:08] <loa> MonkeyDust, can i somehow downgrade chromium to ubuntu 14.04 version?
[17:08] <MonkeyDust> loa  not sure, havent tried, but i guess not
[17:08] <sallu> Osirez, ??????????????????????????
[17:08] <jak2000> why not work:
[17:08] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/10517424#15
[17:09] <bekks> jak2000: Whats not working there?
[17:09] <mr_lou> TJ-, Thanks. It seems to report EDID info fine... but returns wrong resolutions. Only goes to 1280x1024. At least I know it supports 1920x1080 when connecting a blu-ray player to the same HDMI input. Is there some kind of difference between a blu-ray player and a computer?
[17:10] <linocisco> hi all
[17:11] <jak2000> bekks ask and ask the password
[17:11] <hazamonzo> ugh. So close yet so far for this Nvidia issue :)
[17:11] <jak2000> i need not ask me a password when try copy the file with scp or rsync command
[17:11] <linocisco> i used 15.04 x64 and my D-link USB modem was fine. when I installed 14.04.3 LTS for better support, it is not ok. can't turn on mobile internet
[17:12] <TJ-> jak2000: use a public key then
[17:12] <linocisco> i used 15.04 x64 and my D-link USB modem was fine. when I installed 14.04.3 LTS for better support, it is not ok. can't turn on mobile internet. If I want to use internet from sim card, I need to put it in one handset via USB cable and it works. I want to use on USB modem instead dont want to overcharge my phone battery
[17:12] <bekks> jak2000: when connecting from host A to host B - did you add the public key of A into authorized_keys of host B?
[17:13] <hazamonzo> So i went to check what drivers each one of the GPUs in this laptop is using. The intel one is using i915. The nvidia one is using the nvidia driver. buuuuut.... when o try modinfo nvidia i get "Nvidia not found"
[17:13] <hazamonzo> Isn't that slightly odd?
[17:13] <linocisco> what could be the issue?
[17:13] <mr_lou> TJ-, Hmm, actually it returns these two lines too:
[17:13] <mr_lou> [    32.976] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #0: hsize: 1920  vsize 1200  refresh: 60  vid: 209
[17:13] <mr_lou> [    32.976] (II) NOUVEAU(0): #1: hsize: 1920  vsize 1080  refresh: 60  vid: 49361
[17:13] <erxr3> bekks, bikeshed installed. how do I use it?
[17:15] <sallu> http://filehippo.com/download_dotnet_framework_4        ,
[17:15] <sallu> oh sorry .....
[17:17] <erxr3> or else how can I remove old kernels via synaptic?
[17:18] <erxr3> there is a files tab under preferences, where it says "delete cached package files" ...is it this one to be used?
[17:20] <carl_> I'm using 14.04 and trying to get vino/desktop sharing to work and I can't find the place to configure it
[17:22] <MonkeyDust> erxr3  sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:23] <erxr3> MonkeyDust, the problem is, I am on another system than the one in which I'd like to remove files
[17:23] <erxr3> as I cannot access the system directly
[17:23] <erxr3> due to filled-up space
[17:24] <Dyzem> Trying to output my display to TV monitor using HDMI cable and only my background appears. Anyone know how to fix this? I can drag VLC player to the right for it to display but I don't want to have to do that.
[17:25] <erxr3> MonkeyDust, would autoremove still erase old kernels of the target system, if there is any?
[17:26] <erxr3> ok, I ran autoremove, but it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded"
[17:26] <loa> erxr3, you can search by linux keyword and delete what you want.
[17:26] <TJ-> Dyzem: currently the workspace has been extended to use both displays; if you want to 'clone' the primary display you need to configure that in display settings
[17:26] <erxr3> loa, should the keyword be "linux" or "linux-image", which I found in ubuntu forum?
[17:27] <loa> erxr3, linux will be ok, just select thos packages you don't really need
[17:27] <loa> and be carefull.
[17:30] <erxr3> loa, that's just what I wanted to say now. I am wary of this. it is relatively easy for me to apply solutions to current system problems, but I dont want to add a messed up kernel to them :)
[17:31] <loa> erxr3, i suggest you to save 2-3 different kernels.
[17:31] <erxr3> I just want to be able to delete the files that I myself have pasted in my home folder. I can access the system via another OS, but  I cannot delete them due to permissions..could you maybe help me know how I can change folder /file permissions? it is not changeable via nautilus.
[17:33] <erxr3> it says read-only
[17:33] <loa> erxr3, it full name is /file ?
[17:34] <erxr3> loa, sorry, you mean the full name of the folder?
[17:34] <jak2000> bekks: yes in line 25 and 40 i do....
[17:34] <loa> erxr3, yes
[17:34] <erxr3> no, no, I just wanted to write "how I can change folder and file permissions", if you refer to my sentence
[17:34] <erxr3> it was a slash
[17:35] <erxr3> but I found this one:     sudo mount -o remount,rw '/media/drivename/path-to-folder
[17:35] <erxr3> is it correct?
[17:35] <erxr3> it says for remounting as writeable
[17:36] <Windows3> How do I run a script as root right after login?
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> Windows3  sudo crontab -e ... enter a command with sudo
[17:37] <loa> erxr3, you don't give all information. That can depend on target file system, if it is ext4 it will preserve all permissions of directories and files.
[17:37] <erxr3> loa, it is ext4, yes
[17:38] <Windows3> What exactly would I put in the crontab?
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> Windows3  the command you want
[17:38] <loa> erxr3, that you can use chmod and chown commands to change owners and permissions.
[17:38] <Windows3> thats it? no time/
[17:38] <Windows3> ?
[17:38] <loa> erxr3, after that you delete them from nautilus.
[17:38] <Windows3> I'll try it
[17:38] <MonkeyDust> Windows3  you can @reboot
[17:39] <MonkeyDust> Windows3  you can use @reboot
[17:39] <codernotz> anyone knows abt installing Dolby Digital Plus driver for linux on lenovo
[17:39] <carl_> hmmm
[17:39] <TJ-> erxr3: if the target is using 100% space, the best solution is to create a chroot of the target root file-system and work from within the chroot to analyse and fix it
[17:39] <Windows3> I tried it and it gave me an error said bad minute I think it wants a time
[17:40] <wileee> codernotz, From the ubuntu repos here, gotta link so we know what it is?
[17:40] <MonkeyDust> Windows3  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto#Crontab_Sections
[17:40] <erxr3> loa, one more detail, I can access the target system until the point just before desktop appears. that is, I can login, but I get a blank ubuntu 14.04. ambiance-theme screen without any desktop element.  E.g. /dev/sdXY or /dev/mapper/VG-LV ?
[17:44] <erxr3> TJ- no, how can I understand which one it is?
[17:44] <byabbablabb_> df
[17:44] <TJ-> erxr3: You'll need to figure that out yourself. use "sudo lsblk -f" to get an idea of what is what
[17:46] <erxr3> TJ- if you mean whether I know the name of my system's partition, yes, I can see it as /dev/sdXY
[17:46] <erxr3> I also see that of the target system's
[17:47] <erxr3> system*
[17:47] <wileee> codernotz, Try addressing what it is you need in sound, we want to help, just need some details, not sure the dolby is offered as a driver for linux.
[17:48] <codernotz> thats exactly what i am searching for...
[17:49] <wileee> codernotz, what is? use nics when answering and a sentence with context.
[17:49] <codernotz> need linux driver for dolby digital plus for lenovo but lenovo only provides drivers for windows
[17:50] <codernotz> ok wileee
[17:50] <wileee> codernotz, right and not available, what now?
[17:50] <ST-84> Nvm i fixed it
[17:51] <codernotz> dont know wileee i thought someone might know if custom drivers are available wileee... no problem i will keep looking..
[17:51] <erxr3> let's say the system that I am in now is /dev/sda1, and the target system is /dev/sda2...how would the chmod or chown command be applied to change permissions of the  ~/Documents/myfolder  in target system?
[17:51] <wileee> codernotz, Look at pulse audio that is the answer in the end, best of luck. ;)
[17:52] <programming913> could someone help me with gcc on ubuntu
[17:52] <codernotz> thanks wileee for your assistance..
[17:52] <programming913> basically, when I #include <signal.h> I still get implicit declaration warning for 'kill'
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> programming913  if you don't find help here, try #gcc or #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:53] <Seveas> programming913: you need sys/types.h as well, and you'll need to define _XOPEN_SOURCE or _POSIX_SOURCE
[17:53] <wileee> codernotz, my pleasure, no problem.
[17:53] <loa> erxr3, something like this mkdir /mnt/fs; mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/fs; chroot /mnt/fs;  chmod 0777 /home/YourUser/myfolder
[17:53] <Seveas> programming913: see man 2 kill
[17:53] <loa> erxr3, you can use recovery mode in grub for this too
[17:55] <erxr3> loa, assuming that fs refers to the target system, am I making a directory of this system in my current system?
[17:55] <loa> erxr3, yes you doing i current system
[17:55] <loa> in
[17:56] <jessu> Hello guys I installed ubuntu 15 on dell vostro 3546 and it have intel haswel mobile graphics how can i install those graphic drivers ??
[17:56] <jessu> I see my screen very small
[17:57] <erxr3> loa,  "/home/YourUser/myfolder" will be the folder in the target system that I want to change permissions for, rightß
[17:57] <erxr3> ?
[17:58] <skywebro> l2tp-ipsec-vpn is gone from ubuntu wily. is there a replacement?
[17:58] <programming913> MonkeyDust, Seveas: thanks
[17:58] <loa> erxr3, yes i change symbol ~ on that YourUser becase in chroot it will not work
[17:58] <PaulW2U> quit/
[17:58] <erxr3> loa, ah, ok, thank you :)
[18:01] <jessu> how can I keep my screen resolution goog fit to screen
[18:01] <jessu> good*
[18:02] <erxr3> loa, I replaced "fs" with the path of the target system as it is shown under "/media" folder, but it said "No such file or directory"...did you mean that I need to make a directory that is literally named as "fs" ?
[18:03] <loa> erxr3, i gave you exact command instruction set to make things work.
[18:03] <loa> you must create that directory, yes.
[18:03] <TheMike|laptop> Hello.
[18:03] <TheMike|laptop> I just got a Lenovo Y50, with a GeForce 960M GPU.
[18:04] <erxr3> loa, thank you, i will go on with it now
[18:04] <TheMike|laptop> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 15.10 on it
[18:04] <TheMike|laptop> I burnt the install ISO to a USB, and I've tried to use it
[18:05] <TheMike|laptop> When I use it (UEFI is disabled), I get a bunch of noveau errors, which I assume is from my graphics card.
[18:05] <TheMike|laptop> Then Ubuntu's boot screen pops up, then it just reboots the entire computer back into Windows.
[18:05] <TheMike|laptop> How can I fix this?
[18:08] <skywebro> need help on setting vpn with l2tp/ipsec, anyone
[18:09] <Bashing-om> TheMike|laptop: Did you me5sum the .iso file ? Did you verify the burn to UAB was good ? One must know theses are good prior to install . Did you "try ubuntu" mode ?
[18:09] <wileee> TheMike|laptop, missing key details for the helpers here, where are you getting the driver you use? What is the graphics hardware completely sounds dual card.
[18:09] <Bashing-om> UAB/USB*
[18:09] <TheMike|laptop> The driver is whatever is on the Ubuntu 15.10 install ISO?
[18:10] <erxr3> loa, I proceeded until the last command, and with chmod 777 I got this error; http://paste.ubuntu.com/13035550/
[18:10] <TheMike|laptop> I seriously just downloaded Ubuntu 15.10 install, and used Unetbootin to stick it on a USB.
[18:11] <ioria> TheMike|laptop, try to  boot with nomode set   (Option F6 )
[18:11] <Bashing-om> !md5sum TheMike|laptop 1st step::
[18:12] <Bashing-om> !md5sum |TheMike|laptop 1st step::
[18:12] <TheMike|laptop> I tried
[18:12] <TheMike|laptop> Try Ubuntu
[18:12] <TheMike|laptop> and Install Ubuntu
[18:12] <TheMike|laptop> I'll look into nomode, thanks!
[18:13] <TheMike|laptop> I'll be back on IRC in a few.
[18:16] <yesuserok> can someone tell me where to edit the icon maximize button size in gnome shell? they are too small
[18:17] <erxr3> loa, I guess I corrected the path here, but still the same error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13035983/
[18:17] <ggg> hi
[18:17] <yesuserok> ???
[18:19] <darkmaniac> I have ubuntu installed on a laptop and a desktop. When I pull the laptop drive out of hte laptop and out it in a USB enclosure and hook it up to the desktop, it seems that I have full access to all user's files, since both computers have the same uid and username. That seems kinda weird. ext4 filesystem.
[18:20] <Bashing-om> erxr3: For reference, what you should see " sysop@1404mini:~$ ls -al /home/sysop/Downloads/ " where I am 'sysop' . All files in "your" home should be owned by "YOU" .
[18:20] <darkmaniac> I would think that Ubuntu would create some kind of unique hash for every username created or something
[18:20] <jessu> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem
[18:20] <jessu> what shoul I do??
[18:21] <erxr3> Bashing-om, sorry, what are you referring to?
[18:21] <erxr3> have I mistyped the pathß
[18:21] <erxr3> ?
[18:21] <kubast2> Hey ,where can I find libusb.h ?
[18:21] <EriC^^> darkmaniac: yeah cause it uses the uid
[18:21] <kubast2> after installing libusb-dev
[18:22] <EriC^^> darkmaniac: you can access the files, and if you aren't chrooted, it'll even show as the user who has the same uid on your machine
[18:22] <erxr3> Bashing-om, I have the real folder names in terminal, if you mean them. just while pasting I replaced them with symbolic names
[18:22] <vfw> kubast2: find / -name libusb.h -type f
[18:23] <Bashing-om> erxr3: In your command " /home/homename/Documents/myfolder " this is nonsense . "homename shoube be your actual username ( as in mine is sysop 0 and the target 'myfolder' as a actual existing directory as in "Downloads" .
[18:23] <kubast2> my mouse doesn't work now lol
[18:23] <erxr3> Bashing-om, sure I did as you mention..I just explained it above
[18:23] <vfw> kubast2: Probably somewhere like /usr/include/something-or-other/
[18:23] <shallwe> hi guys, trying ubuntu here, but theres some errors. Please someone knows how can i do verbose mode un boot?
[18:23] <kubast2> ls us
[18:23] <kubast2> fuck
[18:23] <kubast2> forget abot the mouse
[18:23] <shallwe> i need to see the lines in boot for see the error
[18:24] <vfw> shallwe: remove quiet from kernel line
[18:24] <kubast2> ok it's not here
[18:24] <darkmaniac> EriC^^, that's very interesting
[18:24] <kubast2> funny thing through
[18:24] <OerHeks> kubast2, watch your language here please, keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[18:24] <shallwe> vfw: but i cant acess ubuntu, its just stay in ubuntu logo
[18:24] <kubast2> ok
[18:24] <kubast2> my mouse only works in hexchat
[18:24] <shallwe> is theres a grub command?
[18:24] <vfw> kubast2: Two suggestions: 1) Watch the language 2)
[18:25] <kubast2> 2) we kick you
[18:25] <yesuserok> hgello
[18:25] <kubast2> ls
[18:25] <vfw> kubast2: Quit using enter for puncuation.
[18:25] <yesuserok> how are you
[18:25] <vfw> kubast2: You are correct
[18:25] <byabbablabb_> guys, i'm using kde - is there somewhere i can manage link handlers and such?
[18:25] <darkmaniac> EriC^^, so unless there is disk or folder encryption, local access to a machine REALLY DOES give a person full control of everything
[18:25] <shallwe> vfw: i got, ty
[18:25] <shallwe> i type E and not C :)
[18:26] <EriC^^> darkmaniac: yeah, if you have local access to the disk, then you can do anything
[18:26] <darkmaniac> scary
[18:26] <EriC^^> darkmaniac: local access to the machine is pretty easy too
[18:26] <kubast2> I couldn't find libusb.h :(
[18:26] <darkmaniac> EriC^^, how do you mean
[18:26] <kubast2> I installed libusb-dev
[18:27] <vfw> kubast2: find / -name "libusb*" -type d
[18:27] <EriC^^> darkmaniac: if somebody holds shift to get grub, edits the boot entry with init=/bin/bash he gets a root shell
[18:27] <darkmaniac> EriC^^, oh right
[18:27] <darkmaniac> EriC^^, I thought you meant it was easy to break into peoples houses or something
[18:27] <EriC^^> lol
[18:28] <EriC^^> no
[18:28] <kubast2> 2> /dev/null sends sttderr to dev null ?
[18:28] <kubast2> yup
[18:28] <erxr3> as a user with name "ubunted" and the target folder "places" I do apply "sudo chmod 0777 /home/ubunted/Documents/places" but it gives the above-pasted error
[18:29] <ioria> kubast2, i can only say that  is here http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/amd64/libusb-1.0-0-dev/filelist,but i  don't knowwhat are you doing
[18:29] <Bashing-om> erxr3: K; Please pastebin ' ls -al /home/ubunted/Documents ' . We see what the story is .
[18:30] <kubast2> ioria I need libusb.h to compile some rockchip flash tool
[18:30] <ioria> !info    ibusb-1.0-0-dev
[18:31] <goddard> where  can i read about the firefox updates being pushed out?
[18:31] <kubast2> No such file or directory
[18:31] <kubast2>  /usr/include/libusb-1.0
[18:32] <ioria> kubast2, you have  to install it
[18:32] <erxr3> Bashing-om, I try to change permissions of a folder in a target system. I created mnt/fs and chrooted it, as you can read above. in the last step, I get the error "No such file or directory"..the same error comes when I type  "root@ubunted:/# sudo ls -al /home/ubunted/Documents"
[18:32] <kubast2> I did
[18:32] <kubast2> oh
[18:32] <kubast2> libusb-1.0-0-dev
[18:32] <ioria> yes
[18:32] <kubast2> sudo apt-get
[18:32] <kubast2> thx
[18:32] <ioria> kubast2, read the  link first
[18:33] <ioria> kubast2, and check apt-cache for conflicts
[18:33] <vfw> kubast2: You do not havef libusb.h in the directory /usr/include/libusb-1.0 ?
[18:33] <kubast2> I have it
[18:33] <kubast2> I installed libusb-dev
[18:33] <paffy> Hi. Is there a way to change where the ssh keys are located? Instead of ~/.ssh ?
[18:33] <vfw> kubast2: Oh ok
[18:34] <erxr3> forget to add that I'd also mounted the target system at /mnt/fs
[18:34] <EriC^^> paffy: sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[18:34] <EriC^^> i think you have to uncomment AuthorizedKeysFile	%h/.ssh/authorized_keys and set it to what you want
[18:35] <paffy> EriC^^: Ok.  sshd_config doesn't exist. There is a ssh_config file though?
[18:35] <EriC^^> paffy: oh you mean on the client?
[18:35] <paffy> EriC^^: Yeah
[18:35] <p4r0> s
[18:36] <paffy> EriC^^: I want to have my ssh keys in ~/Dropbox/.ssh
[18:36] <Bashing-om> erxr3: Are you in a full CHange Root environment, os just mounting the partition from a live environment ? The paths then will be different .
[18:36] <EriC^^> paffy: i guess it's ssh_config then
[18:36] <EriC^^> paffy: this line needs to be uncommented IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[18:36] <kubast2> ioria
[18:36] <kubast2> forget
[18:36] <Netek> hi all, I installed Viber onto ubuntu but it keeps crashing.  Can somebody please guide me where to look to find what the issue is?
[18:37] <kubast2> to click ctrl+alt again
[18:37] <paffy> EriC^^: yeah, I see it
[18:38] <erxr3> Bashing-om, I guess both. I am in root in the terminal, and also have access to the target partition from the system that I am in now
[18:39] <erxr3> I followed the commands as loa gave them to me, and used them to create fs directory and mount the target system there, and chrooting mnt/fs
[18:39] <erxr3> so the target system is mounted in two places now
[18:40] <erxr3> both are read-only at the moment
[18:40] <loa> how it is even possible?
[18:40] <paffy> EriC^^: thanks btw :)
[18:40] <EriC^^> paul-kk: no problem :)
[18:40] <EriC^^> paffy: no problem :)
[18:41] <Bashing-om> erxr3: Let us test and see where you are .. what returns  ' ls -al /home/ ' is there a directory of your "username" ?
[18:42] <kubast2> how to paste something into terminal without a mouse ?
[18:42] <erxr3> Bashing-om, to add a detail in case relevant, the target system's home folder is encrypted.
[18:42] <EriC^^> kubast2: shift+ctrl+v or shift+insert , depending on how you got it into the clipboard
[18:42] <erxr3> Bashing-om, this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13037542/
[18:44] <OerHeks> i was waiting for that, erxr3, target home encrypted.
[18:44] <Bashing-om> erxr3: That "encryption" is a layer of complexity I am not qualified to cope with . Others will have to advise on how to access encrypted volumns .
[18:48] <ubuntu521> daftykins: hey daftykins, are you there?
[18:49] <erxr3> but I have access to the encrypted folder, just that I cannot delete files there (change permissions)
[18:50] <erxr3> Bashing-om ^
[18:51] <erxr3> that said, I cannot access the encrypted folder mounted at /mnt/fs, but i can access it on the other mounting point, which I managed via ecryptfs over terminal
[18:51] <Netek> I am going to install ubuntu 14.04 on a vps, I plan to run 2 websites from this vps.  Is it worth installing webmin to easily manage the accounts?  I will need email (smtp/imap), FTP and Apache webserver
[18:51] <OerHeks> Netek, no, see !webmin
[18:51] <OerHeks> !webmin
[18:52] <Netek> OerHeks ok what is another recommendation? I have heard of ISPConfig but not sure if that is supported, might just go ahead and read up about it.  Thank you
[18:53] <bekks> Netek: If you know that you are using just two websites, it's not worth going with a web ui :)
[18:54] <erxr3> interestingly, using nautilus I try to change permissions of the home folder mounted at /mnt/fs, and they appear to have been changed, but the files are still not removabl
[18:54] <erxr3> e
[18:54] <Netek> bekks ok, its just that I am not experienced with setting up ftp, apache, mail server etc
[18:54] <bekks> Netek: Then you should NOT use web ui :)
[18:54] <Bashing-om> erxr3: From that last output to pastebin, I would surmise that the username here is " paro " what has " ubunted " got to do with this ?
[18:55] <ioria> Netek, take  a look , i did it once https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-14.04-apache2-php-mysql-pureftpd-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3
[18:55] <Netek> bekks hah I thought the purpose of a web ui was for people like me?
[18:55] <Netek> ioria thanks
[18:55] <ioria> np
[18:55] <bekks> Netek: No, a web ui is for people knowing whats happening under the hood ;)
[18:56] <OerHeks> Netek, ispconfig is mentioned here too http://askubuntu.com/questions/333529/what-server-control-panels-are-available-for-ubuntu-server
[18:57] <OerHeks> Netek, and there is also #ubuntu-server :-)
[18:57] <erxr3> Bashing-om, ubunted was just exemplary, i was trying to explain that there was no error in the path
[18:57] <Netek> I love to know how I search numerous things on google and I dont find anything and everybody else seemlessy finds things within seconds
[18:58] <ioria> Netek, i have  to say that is  very easy  to make mistakes, so  read it a couples of times before starting
[18:58] <Netek> ioria I will do :)  I will read up each software that is recommended to be installed to find out more what they are for
[18:59] <ioria> Netek, exactly
[18:59] <erxr3> will i be able to further apply chmod hereß
[18:59] <erxr3> ?
[19:00] <Bashing-om> erxr3: I have no experience with encryption . Others I feel can better advise. I would not want to mislead you .
[19:01] <erxr3> Bashing-om, sure, I understand, thank you very much for your kind help!
[19:02] <erxr3> because I have to handle multiple problems today, I would to ask of if I can bring about a second question, too, while trying to solve this current one.
[19:02] <erxr3> "I would like to ask if.." *
[19:03] <Bashing-om> erxr3: One can always ask .. but best practice is to focus on one issue at a given time .
[19:04] <erxr3> Bashing-om, to avoid confusion, or to make it technically easier, I can join the channel with a second username. if it is ok for you
[19:04] <erxr3> as a second user, that is
[19:06] <Bashing-om> erxr3: That practice of 2 nicks is discouraged .. it does add to the confusion factor .. this is a busy channel and is difficult enough as it is to keep up with a particular nick/issue .
[19:06] <Netek> OerHeks and ioria thank you both for the guidance :)
[19:06] <ioria> np
[19:07] <paffy> Is it just me or is the key-binding Super+T to open trash not in Keyboard settings? I can't find it to disable.
[19:07] <erxr3> Bashing-om, ok..then the current problem first.
[19:08] <trimeta> I'm having trouble getting the ncurses-based Ubuntu Server installer to work from a USB flash drive. I used dd to directly copy ubuntu-15.10-server-amd64.iso onto a drive, and while it boots initially (using either regular USB boot or UEFI), and I can hit "enter" at the "Install Ubuntu" screen, on the next screen after that (where it wants you to choose a language), it freezes and refuses to respond to any input.
[19:08] <goddard> has anyone been getting several firefox updates lately?
[19:09] <Klojum> goddard: which FF version are you on now?
[19:10] <ioria> trimeta, do you  have a  ' test  disk integrity' option  at the beginning   ?
[19:10] <trimeta> I believe so. I'll check that.
[19:11] <goddard> Klojum: 41.0.2
[19:11] <erxr3> just curious, instead of mounting the target at /mnt/fs, and chrooting the latter, can I chroot the folder where the target system is also mounted via ecryptfs command?
[19:11] <Klojum> goddard: same here... Is there are problem?
[19:12] <goddard> Klojum: i have gotten update notifications for the past two days
[19:12] <goddard> multiples in fact
[19:12] <erxr3> I mean, in order to then apply chmod the folder with the latter path?
[19:12] <goddard> like 3 or 4
[19:12] <erxr3> to*
[19:12] <Klojum> such as?
[19:13] <TJ-> Did someone mention encryption?
[19:13] <goddard> Klojum: such as?
[19:14] <Bashing-om> TJ-: erxr3 Is encrypted, and attempting to access and change permissions (WHY ?) I am running away real hard .
[19:14] <Klojum> goddard: sorry..  multitasking is not good idea for me tonight.
[19:14] <goddard> haha
[19:15] <erxr3> Bashing-om?
[19:15] <erxr3> i dont understand your question
[19:15] <TJ-> Bashing-om: encrypted home with ecryptfs?
[19:15] <trimeta> ioria: Good call about the disk check: I got an error saying "The ./pool/restricted/i/iucode-tool/iucode-tool_1.3-1_amd64.deb file failed the MD5 checksum verification. Your CD-ROM or this file may have been corrupted."
[19:15] <ioria> trimeta, with dd can happen
[19:15] <TJ-> Bashing-om: reading the backlog but having difficulty piecing together the current situ. Can you summarise?
[19:15] <Bashing-om> TJ-: erxr3 :: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13037542/ .
[19:15] <ioria> trimeta, reformat and dd  again
[19:16] <TJ-> Bashing-om: erxr3 yes, saw that, but there's no context. I thought there's a chroot involved here somewhere?
[19:16] <trimeta> ioria: I've done this multiple times, with multiple flash drives...is there anything special I should be using? A specific blocksize for dd, maybe?
[19:16] <ioria> trimeta, did you format with  fat32 ?
[19:17] <erxr3> I am trying to delete files from this encrypted home folder, because there is no more free space on the partition and therefore I cannot access my desktop
[19:17] <Bashing-om> TJ-: No I also came in here in the middle, think'n to assist in the thought process, and then found we are dealing with encryption .
[19:17] <ioria> trimeta, with gparted, i mean
[19:17] <trimeta> Why would formatting be necessary, if I'm just going to dd over the whole thing anyway?
[19:17] <erxr3> TJ_ ^
[19:17] <erxr3> sorry, TJ- ^
[19:17] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, so you've used "ecryptfs-recover-private" and mounted the user's home under /tmp/ecryptfs.XXXX ?
[19:17] <xprophetx> can anyone help me if i accidentally installed grub on my windows HDD and now i cant boot into it and just get a grub rescue prompt?
[19:17] <ioria> trimeta, well, i usually  did it ....
[19:17] <erxr3> TJ- correct
[19:17] <ioria> *do
[19:18] <TJ-> erxr3: did you also mount the target system's root file-system somewhere else?
[19:18] <trimeta> ioria: I can use fdisk to create a single FAT32 partition, and then mkfs.vfat to format it, but I'm not optimistic that will change anything.
[19:18] <ioria> trimeta, how did you download the iso ? torrent  ?
[19:19] <trimeta> Torrent, but after the problems I was having I downloaded it directly too, and cmp says the files match.
[19:19] <erxr3> TJ- following the advice of loa, I applied mkdir /mnt/fs, then mounted the target system at fs, and then chrooted fs, but after that i could not chmod the target folder, getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13035983/  (the real folder names have been changed)
[19:20] <ioria> trimeta, try  with gparted, format , and dd
[19:20] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, so you currently have "/mnt/fs/home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.Private" which you used with "ecryptfs-recover-private"
[19:21] <ioria> trimeta, don't make partition   on the usb
[19:21] <ioria> *s
[19:21] <trimeta> I'm going to try something a little different, using unetbootin to see if that works any better (and if it gives the same error regarding corruption).
[19:21] <erxr3> TJ- no, no, currently there are these: tmp/.ecryptfs/$USER/ and  /mnt/fs/home/myuser
[19:21] <ioria> trimeta, yes
[19:21] <trimeta> I'll try that next...
[19:22] <TJ-> erxr3: That's what I said ... the ecryptfs system stores the encrpyted files under /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.Private and that is where ecryptfs-recover-private looks for and finds them.
[19:22] <erxr3> TJ- oh, sorry, i overlooked your post..sure, that's correct
[19:23] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Simple question. Am i better to install applications like Chrome from the ubuntu repo or a download from the website? I've had issues before keeping it up to date and i can't remember if it was because the repo version or website version had issues updating
[19:24] <TJ-> erxr3: So, also, ecryptfs-recover-private mounts read-only so I recommend you do: "sudo mount --bind tmp/.ecryptfs/$USER /mnt/fs/home/$USER" and "sudo mount -o remount,rw /mnt/fs/home/$USER" then you'll have read/write access to the entire target (including user home dir) under /mnt/fs. That means if you do "sudo chroot /mnt/fs" you'll see the entire system and be able to work with it
[19:24] <erxr3> TJ- this is how it exactly looks : /mnt/fs/home/myuser/Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[19:24] <hazamonzo> Thoughts? :)
[19:25] <trimeta> Interesting, with unetbootin, the disk check still finds a corrupted file...but it's a different file.
[19:25] <ioria> uhmmm
[19:26] <TJ-> trimeta: dodgy USB interface/device?
[19:26] <trimeta> The thing is, I used dd earlier to put the Arch installer onto USB flash drives, and that didn't randomly have files get corrupted somehow. Is the Ubuntu iso somehow much more brittle? How could dd be screwing this up?
[19:27] <paffy> Is there a way to disable workspaces for a particular monitor? like in Gnome ^^
[19:27] <ioria> trimeta, start up disk ?
[19:27] <TJ-> trimeta: dd won't be screwing it, it simply copies blocks. If different files report corruption at different times that suggests corruption introduced during reading the files, rather than writing them
[19:27] <pauljw> hazamonzo: imho it's best to update from the repos and not worry about whether it's the latest release.  you'll keep a stable system that way.
[19:28] <erxr3> TJ- there is an error again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13040275/
[19:29] <ioria> trimeta, shutdown some services , maybe
[19:30] <TJ-> erxr3: that suggests the target mount doesn't have the /home file system mounted. Can you "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f; cat /mnt/fs/etc/fstab )"
[19:30] <xprophetx> in boot-repair will i lose any data by restoring MBR?
[19:31] <trimeta> ioria: OK, I tried a different drive and a different USB port. Now the disk check goes without any complaints...but at the very end, when I get the "Integrity test successful. The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid," it hangs again.
[19:31] <erxr3> TJ- sure, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13040469/
[19:31] <trimeta> Although, it just occurred to me that there's a very simple explanation for all of this: I'm using a Logitech wireless keyboard. Maybe it isn't loading the drivers correctly?
[19:32] <ioria> trimeta, maybe, try a usb/ps2
[19:32] <trimeta> I don't have any lying around...but I guess I may need to change that.
[19:32] <Bashing-om> hazamonzo: Not all applications are in our repo .. case in point the proprietary google-chrome . Heed the warning " untrusted PPA" .. best advise is always when possible to remain within our repo .
[19:33] <ioria> trimeta, a spare  one, is always useful  :þ
[19:34] <TJ-> erxr3: ?? there's no lsblk output, and the file doesn't exist? That tells me the target root file system is no longer mounted at /mnt/fs
[19:34] <TJ-> erxr3: OH! are you executing these commands from INSIDE the chroot?!
[19:35] <TJ-> erxr3: the commands I give should be executed from OUTSIDE the chroot unless I say otherwise
[19:35] <erxr3> TJ- oh, sorry..
[19:36] <TJ-> erxr3: no worries, we just didn't communicate clearly :)
[19:39] <erxr3> TJ- error again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13041047/
[19:40] <erxr3> oh sorry, I forgot to add sudo chroot /mnt/fs
[19:40] <erxr3> TJ- ^
[19:40] <trimeta> ioria: Allegedly, the wireless keyboard bug was fixed in 2012...but someone else ran into it in 2015 (http://askubuntu.com/questions/589405/installing-ubuntu-server-with-wireless-keyboard-stuck-at-language-section). Doing what they did didn't help, though.
[19:41] <ghost_> Hey, how can I fix my battery percentage? It says I have many more %s than I actually have. Yesterday my laptop died with "60%"
[19:42] <nemo> so. setting up a new laptop for work.  they officially support redhat, ubuntu and centos.  Normally I choose ubuntu, but, I'm less than thrilled w/ systemd.  Recent versions of ubuntu require it right?
[19:42] <erxr3> TJ- the output of "sudo lsblk -f; cat /mnt/fs/etc/fstab" is still as before, also out of the root.
[19:42] <ioria> trimeta, so ps2/usb   keyboard ...
[19:42] <Seveas> ghost_: get a new battery that accurately reports its charge.
[19:42] <TJ-> erxr3: that is not right then! lsblk should be reporting the booted host devices plus all the chroot mounts
[19:43] <Bashing-om> nemo: Yes and no .. release 14.04 - supported until April 2019 is upstart .
[19:43] <trimeta> ioria: I guess I'll go buy one.
[19:43] <ioria> trimeta, sorry for that
[19:44] <ghost_> Seveas: The problem is that worked correctly three days ago
[19:44] <erxr3> TJ- when i go to the folder, I see an empty folder named "fstab.d" under mnt/fs/etc
[19:44] <TJ-> erxr3: as a (complicated) example here's what lsblk shows me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13041503/
[19:45] <ghost_> Seveas: The problem is that worked correctly three days ago
[19:45] <erxr3> TJ- oh, no, sorry, there is a text file named fstab
[19:46] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, lets take a look at that but we need to get to the bottom of why lsblk cannot see host devices, since that may point to a wider problem on the system
[19:46] <erxr3> TJ- sorry thousand times..
[19:46] <erxr3> TJ- I just noticed that the terminal went into chroot again
[19:46] <erxr3> now I exited and can see the output
[19:47] <TJ-> erxr3: YAY :D OK, re-do the pastebinit :)
[19:47] <Pantelleria> ciao
[19:47] <Pantelleria> !list
[19:47] <TJ-> Pantelleria: welcome
[19:47] <TJ-> and bye!
[19:48] <ghost_> So, can someone actually help me? I'm sure it's software-related problem
[19:49] <TJ-> ghost_: show us "pastebinit <( for n in  /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/*; do [ -f $n ] && echo $n=$(cat $n); done )"
[19:50] <ghost_> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13042024/
[19:52] <ghost_> TJ-: It shows 99% now, I'm pretty sure it's below 40% now
[19:53] <erxr3> TJ- it is ready : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13042202/
[19:54] <TJ-> ghost_: that shows the battery can now only hold  86% of its design capacity, which indicates it is coming to the end of its life. cycle_count=0 indicates the battery also doesn't correctly report how many discharge cycles it has gone through, so its impossible to know what condition it should be in
[19:54] <ghost_> TJ-: So it's a hardware problem? Uh
[19:54] <TJ-> ghost_: how old is the battery?
[19:54] <ghost_> TJ-: Year and two months, I think
[19:55] <ramn> I just upgraded to 15.10, and now there is a new UI element in the bottom left, which expands when I hover the mouse and it shows icons for some running apps. How can I remove this thing?
[19:55] <nemo> Bashing-om: oh. good.
[19:55] <ramn> and what is the name of it
[19:55] <TJ-> ghost_: from what you have described it sounds like the battery is failing
[19:55] <nemo> Bashing-om: the sucky thing ofc is that it is kinda out of date for things like releases of svn and git and such
[19:55] <nemo> Bashing-om: but there are always PPAs for those
[19:55] <wileee> ramn, Gnome shell desktop?
[19:55] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, can you now show me "pastebinit <( mount )" from OUTSIDE the chroot
[19:55] <ST-84> Hey
[19:55] <ramn> wileee: ye
[19:55] <nemo> Bashing-om: aight. 2019 is fine. guess I'll use 14.04 for now. can figure out other options by then
[19:56] <ST-84> I cant seem to be able to do threading in ubuntu
[19:56] <ST-84> DSO missing from command line
[19:56] <ST-84> That is the error i keep getting
[19:56] <ST-84> then i add -lpthread as compiler flag
[19:56] <ST-84> Same error
[19:56] <ghost_> TJ-: Ugh, thank you then. Also screw lenovo for putting failing hardware in their products (hdd has also failed)
[19:56] <ST-84> It also happens when i use the Boost library
[19:56] <TJ-> ghost_: Ouch :(
[19:56] <ramn> wileee: I don't know what the thing is called so it's hard to google for
[19:57] <Bashing-om> nemo: Well .. if ya stay within 'buntu's package management system ( our repo) one avoids that dependency hell that PPA's can get one into .
[19:57] <wileee> ramn, not sure removable, look in https://extensions.gnome.org/ for a hide
[19:57] <TJ-> ST-84: you might be better in ##programming
[19:57] <ghost_> TJ-: It was showing as "old age" month after I've bought it, yeah. Thanks again, goodnight
[19:57] <ST-84> TJ-, But this is a Ubuntu based problem
[19:57] <ramn> wileee: do you know what it is called?
[19:57] <ST-84> I did not have this on Arch, Fedora nor suse
[19:58] <wileee> ramn, So your sure this is the gnome shell not the fallback?
[19:58] <nemo> Bashing-om: yeah, that's usually my preference, but unfortunately the LTS stuff can get pretty out of date and missing fixes
[19:58] <nemo> Bashing-om: like, had to add a ppa for git just to get semi-functional webdav.
[19:59] <ramn> wileee: Thanks I found the solution: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/967/hide-legacy-tray/
[19:59] <ioria> ST-84, try to put  put   -lpthread  at  the end
[20:00] <erxr3> TJ- sure, here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13042507/
[20:00] <TJ-> ST-84: OK, what source package / version are you trying to build?
[20:00] <wileee> ramn, Cool, I like it compared to the old, but to each our own. ;)
[20:00] <ST-84> TJ-, My own software
[20:01] <ST-84> TJ-, I program :)
[20:01] <ramn> wileee: yes might be better but it constantly covers a few pixels down there
[20:01] <Guest68142> hexchat ?
[20:01] <Bashing-om> nemo: System Administrartion, YO ! .. Latest git : https://launchpad.net/~git-core/+archive/ubuntu/ppa .
[20:01] <wileee> ramn, Ah, understandable.
[20:01] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, now I've got a good clear idea of where you are :) "sudo mount -io remount,rw /mnt/fs/home/paro" will make the F.S. read/write.
[20:02] <nemo> Bashing-om: yep. that's the PPA I added
[20:02] <nemo> Bashing-om: also added another for ancient svn
[20:02] <TJ-> ST-84: so do I. Sounds like either you have a circular dependency or you're missing -lm
[20:02] <nemo> (in 14.04)
[20:03] <ioria> trimeta, or -lrt
[20:03] <wileee> Guest68142, What your need?
[20:03] <TJ-> erxr3: and then when you do "sudo chroot /mnt/fs" you can then do "df" and check usage, and e.g. "du -d 2 /home/parp" to check where space is used in the user home directory
[20:03] <ioria> ST-84, ot  -lrt
[20:03] <wileee> What's*
[20:04] <Bashing-om> nemo: :) that be a good start .. As you know .. exercise care .. PPAs can and do break the system. Clever programmer can make coding for the kernel, can not predict what other programmers interfaces will be/do  .
[20:04] <TJ-> erxr3: and then when you do "sudo chroot /mnt/fs" you can then do "df" and check usage, and e.g. "du -d 2 /home/parp" to check where space is used in the user home directory
[20:06] <erxr3> TJ-  the error again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13042752/
[20:07] <Guest68142>
[20:08] <Guest68142> i like this software
[20:08] <TJ-> erxr3: that is weird; I do that operation daily and never experience that issue. *thinking*
[20:08] <Guest68142> whrite in python ?
[20:09] <wileee> Guest68142, Cool, let us know if you need help, for chat #ubuntu-offtopic  ;)
[20:09] <Guest68142> u used python or another language ?
[20:09] <TJ-> erxr3: let's try it a different way. "sudo umount /mnt/fs/home/paro; sudo mount --bind -io remount,rw /tmp/ecryptfs.eg2eRmDe /mnt/fs/home/paro"
[20:13] <erxr3> TJ- another error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13043018/
[20:14] <TJ-> erxr3: OK, so it didn't like the remount and --bind at the same time. I was trying to beat the original error!
[20:15] <TJ-> erxr3: Let's try yet another way: "sudo mount -io remount,rw /tmp/ecryptfs.eg2eRmDe; sudo mount --bind /tmp/ecryptfs.eg2eRmDe /mnt/fs/home/paro"
[20:17] <paffy> Hey guys. How do I run an app from terminal without it attaching to my current terminal? I just want to open it outside the terminal sort of.
[20:17] <ioria> &
[20:18] <paffy> ioria: ok that's what I thought. I guess it's a problem with the program then.
[20:18] <erxr3> TJ- YESSSSS!
[20:18] <ioria> paffy, whatprogram ?
[20:18] <erxr3> TJ- it worked!
[20:18] <paffy> ioria: "pstorm", a command line tool for PhpStorm IDE.
[20:18] <TJ-> erxr3: I knew we'd get there eventually! Now you can do "sudo chroot /mnt/fs" and then "df" and "du -d 2 /home/paro"  to check the usage
[20:18] <paffy> ioria: it's supposed to let me open a project from cmd line.
[20:19] <Juanes> hi there
[20:19] <TJ-> erxr3: and you can remove files as needed
[20:19] <ioria> paffy, i see
[20:20] <erxr3> TJ- yes i just could remove. thank you so very much!
[20:20] <paffy> ioria: How would you word the issue for a google search? I don't know the terminology of this very well :P
[20:21] <erxr3> TJ- specially for showing me all solution possibilities
[20:21] <ioria> paffy, i'm downloading it ... but no clue
[20:22] <TJ-> paffy: "man nohup" might help
[20:24] <erxr3> TJ- I will check my access to other system, and be back in a short while
[20:24] <paffy> TJ-: "nohup pstorm . &" does work at least, ty.
[20:25] <TJ-> paffy: you don't need '&' that puts the process into the background. nohup detaches the process from the current terminal.
[20:26] <ioria> paffy, needs a key  ...
[20:26] <paffy> TJ-: "nohup pstorm ." didn't work
[20:27] <paffy> ioria: You can choose 30 dey evaluation
[20:27] <TJ-> paffy: what are you expecting 'pstorm' to do?
[20:27] <ioria> paffy, ok
[20:27] <paffy> TJ-: It's a python script that launches a java app (an IDE)
[20:28] <paffy> TJ-: and "pstorm ." should open the current directory as a project.
[20:29] <TJ-> paffy: I'd inspect 'pstorm' itself then
[20:30] <ioria> paffy, alt +F2
[20:30] <ioria> paffy, with complete  path
[20:30] <ioria> paffy, no terminal
[20:31] <paffy> ioria: yup that works
[20:31] <ioria> paffy, good
[20:31] <test123> what is with the "/nick" not working. I am dave1947'
[20:32] <ioria> paffy, it's cool
[20:32] <ioria> paffy, but too heavy for my  system
[20:33] <paffy> ioria: yeah it is. awesome to work with tho.
[20:33] <ioria> paffy, ^_^
[20:33] <test123> i guess a Drone won't answer :)
[20:34] <Bashing-om> test123: ' /nick dave1947 ' should have a positive resilt .
[20:34] <TJ-> Bashing-om: that user is already online; he must have ghosted
[20:35] <TJ-> Bashing-om: probably didn't read the client's server console
[20:35] <userix> .
[20:35] <userix> Bastante br aqui ?
[20:35] <userix> kkk
[20:35] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Uh huh .. as per your usual .. some kine of fast you are .
[20:42] <inteus> !pt | userix
[20:44] <flyboy21> what is a good source to talk about programs for linux
[20:44] <haskell_> I am trying to visit a website, but it says connection refused, does that mean my ip is blocked?
[20:44] <TJ-> haskell_: Or the server is no longer there
[20:44] <ioria> try a free proxy
[20:45] <TJ-> flyboy21: 'talk' in what way?
[20:45] <flyboy21> well I am new to linux and looking for basic programs to replace some windows apps
[20:45] <flyboy21> did not know if there is a node just for this sort of chat
[20:46] <TJ-> flyboy21: Hmmm, not sure on that. Possibly ##linux although sometimes that gets a bit distracted, and is more technical than you might want
[20:46] <flyboy21> that might help
[20:46] <flyboy21> i can give it a try, thank you
[20:47] <TJ-> flyboy21: possibly #ubuntu-offtopic but thats usually trivial chat
[20:52] <Pr0x1mu5> can someone explain me how i can dual boot from surface pro 1
[20:52] <Pr0x1mu5> this is the most idiotic computer that i have ever had my hands on
[20:52] <Pr0x1mu5> no tutorial works for it
[20:54] <CraigyDavi> Pr0x1mu5, not sure if you tried this one https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/windows but it worked well for me (windows 10)
[20:54] <haskell_> TJ, I can access it from one server but not another
[20:55] <haskell_> TJ, I can access it from one country*** but not another
[20:59] <trimeta> I'm in the ubuntu-server ncurses-based installer, and I'm trying to configure some encrypted volumes manually. I set up a couple of disks and was able to do this successfully (by formatting the disk as encrypted volume, then going to "configure encrypted volumes" and activating those volumes), but some other partitions refuse to appear in the "configure encrypted volumes" options even though they also were set up as "physical volume
[21:03] <UBu> hi
[21:03] <UBu> so
[21:03] <UBu> I am having some problem
[21:03] <UBu> s
[21:03] <UBu> I'm running my java application
[21:03] <UBu> but
[21:03] <UBu> when I do java -jar <my application>
[21:03] <UBu> It's missing some jars
[21:04] <UBu> that are already inbuilt
[21:04] <UBu> in it?
[21:05] <wileee> I'd like to see you on an fmri
[21:05] <wileee> saying that
[21:12] <UBu> wileee: What do you mean?
[21:12] <UBu> wileee: My dependencies are compiled with it
[21:12] <UBu> wileee: Plus it works on my computer
[21:12] <UBu> wileee: just not my dedi
[21:13] <wileee> UBu, kinda disjunct, we all do it. ;) a complete straight sentence would be understood, less enter. ;)
[21:13] <inteus> UBu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line. Don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation.
[21:13] <erxr3> hello back everyone, I've had multiple issues today, and would like to seek your help again in these. I've been moving files to external drive, and using gnome disk utility to create and access partitions. while moving files, it first happened that the process froze, including everything else on the computer, except the cursor moving.
[21:13] <erxr3> then came irregularities in using power-off button of disk utility, like it close the whole window when clicked on.
[21:14] <erxr3> and the next thing was a partition taking ages to open or close.
[21:14] <erxr3> sometimes never happening
[21:15] <erxr3> after these incidents within a day or two, I now had to lose a partition on my external drive, which i thought was created properly in the previous session.
[21:15] <erxr3> it is shown with "unknown" label instead of "file system ext4.."
[21:16] <wileee> erxr3, one issue at a time with details, for help.
[21:16] <erxr3> wileee, this is all one single issue, i guess
[21:16] <erxr3> because it all happened while moving files
[21:16] <erxr3> and in gnome disk utility
[21:16] <erxr3> and to same drives
[21:17] <erxr3> one drive was affected more (like 4 partitions) and the other only one partition.
[21:17] <erxr3> what might have caused this?
[21:18] <bprompt> erxr3:    so, when you were in the middle of resizing partitions, some "data" was being moved, and the partitioning tool was hanging, and then you did a force poweroff ?
[21:18] <UBu> anyone know the fix to my problem?
[21:20] <erxr3> bprompt, what first happened was that the file transfer to external drive stopped, and didnt ever resume, so that I had to force power-off..but after this I could continue creating partitions. yet this happened a few more times, with shorter hangings.
[21:20] <bprompt> UBu:    as often said here, the "enter" key is not a punctuation character, is simpler to keep it in a line or two, rather than scattered all over the lot, keep it concise and in a line or two, makes it readable
[21:21] <UBu> bprompt: that was all on one line?
[21:21] <erxr3> the second irregularity that came after was that the power-off button of disk utility didnt close the drives properly. it often closed the whole window, or left the drive name in the device list after removal
[21:21] <bprompt> UBu:    ahemm nope
[21:21] <UBu> bprompt: [21:18] <UBu> anyone know the fix to my problem?
[21:22] <bprompt> right... which we dunno what that is
[21:22] <erxr3> and the last irregularity was that the disk utility remained hanging forever while unlocking-locking certain partitions
[21:23] <bprompt> erxr3:    well, once the system is b0rked from the first "irregularity", sure, expect more to come, but that's expectable
[21:23] <erxr3> after all these, i was still able to create partitions properly until the last session, in which I thought I completed the transfers. but in the next session, I saw that more than one drive had partition losses. some with only one lost, some several partitions.
[21:24] <erxr3> bprompt, what might have borked the system?
[21:24] <bprompt> erxr3:    well, the force shutdown I'd think
[21:24] <Jymmm> Is anyone familiar with netbook build?
[21:25] <bprompt> erxr3:   and the fact that you could "run the partition tool" and make partitions afterwards, simply means, the partitiion tool could run, and the hdd wasn't bad, is all, doesn't mean the partitions or files were in good state
[21:26] <bprompt> erxr3:     so... as wileee  suggested... . one at a time.... you were partitioning, and gnome partitioning tool was hanging, and in the middle of it, what again?
[21:27] <erxr3> bprompt, then, as I wrote, the power-off began to work strangely..
[21:27] <TJ-> erxr3: 'external drive' - connected how, USB2 ?
[21:28] <erxr3> TJ- I think so. it was an earlier drive
[21:28] <erxr3> bprompt, so you mean it wouldnt be caused by HDD?
[21:28] <bprompt> erxr3:    did I read you correctly, you gnome partitioning tool froze while resizing partitions, and you forced a shutdown?
[21:29] <zubuntu> hi
[21:29] <bprompt> allo
[21:29] <erxr3> bprompt, not while resizing, but while transferring files from one drive to another
[21:29] <zubuntu> well
[21:29] <zubuntu> i am using pc dual boot win 10 and ubuntu 14.04
[21:29] <istvan> hi beszel valaki magyarul?
[21:29] <zubuntu> how can i set windows bootloader (easyBCD) as default?
[21:29] <TJ-> erxr3: when things look to be going wrong, the first thing to do is examine the log files. For disks, my first suspect is I/O errors, and I check /var/log/kern.log.
[21:30] <zubuntu> now grub2 - ubuntu is default one
[21:30] <TJ-> erxr3: I'd also check /var/log/syslog, and /home/$USER/.xsession-errors if using the GUI
[21:30] <bprompt> erxr3:    ok.... so, you were moving files from internal hdd to external hdd I assume, drag and drop I gather, and the moving process was hanging and then you forced a shutdown?
[21:30] <zubuntu> anyone help pls?
[21:31] <bprompt> zubuntu:    hmmm I thought easyBCD was meant to be easy :), I"ve done BCD editing but manually using bcdedit and the whole UUID string, no easyBCD yet though
[21:31] <erxr3> bprompt, correct, except that not by drag and drop, but by cut-paste, if that has significance
[21:31] <wileee> zubuntu, easybcd is only a 3rd bootloader, not supported here and a bad idea.
[21:32] <TJ-> zubuntu: if you're dual-booting Windows 10 that infers the PC uses UEFI, so Windows and Ubuntu should be entries in the UEFI boot menu.
[21:32] <zubuntu> wileee: so what can i do?
[21:32] <wileee> zubuntu, follow TJ- info.
[21:32] <zubuntu> how can i get into UEFI boot menu TJ- ?
[21:32] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you want windows first in the grub menu? or you want easybcd to be booted and choose ubuntu or windows from there?
[21:32] <zubuntu> in my boot menu i never seen it
[21:32] <zubuntu> EriC^^: i want default windows boot menu
[21:33] <zubuntu> i dont like purple boot menu of ubuntu at all
[21:33] <zubuntu> i installed ubuntu
[21:33] <TJ-> zubuntu: the UEFI setup should provide access to it, but from a Linux boot, 'efibootmgr' accesses it
[21:33] <zubuntu> then i set easyBCD entry
[21:33] <zubuntu> but ubuntu didnt boot
[21:33] <EriC^^> zubuntu: well do you know how to add ubuntu there? cant help you with that but i can get you to have easybcd boot i guess
[21:33] <zubuntu> then i set grub in ubuntu again
[21:33] <zubuntu> and then it booted
[21:33] <zubuntu> to ubuntu
[21:33] <zubuntu> but set default ubuntu boot menu
[21:34] <bprompt> erxr3:   check the logs as TJ-  suggested, to see why the system froze or what process was hanging,    but I'd think that, some open files or inodes ended up broken or corrupted due to the force shutdown, doesn't happen always, you could also try going to "recovery mode" and use the root console from that menu, to do an "fsck"
[21:34] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you mean you tried adding ubuntu to easybcd but it didn't boot ubuntu? didn't follow you there
[21:34] <zubuntu> well if i have an option i dont like 3rd party bootmanager to have
[21:34] <zubuntu> EriC^^: yes at first try it didnt boot into ubuntu
[21:34] <UBu> I still don't have a fix for my problem :/
[21:34] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you can change the colors in grub and even put a background i think
[21:35] <zubuntu> after i installed ubuntu
[21:35] <zubuntu> i just like the way of windows boot menu :/
[21:35] <zubuntu> i dont know what is wrong with easybcd
[21:36] <zubuntu> it didnt boot to ubuntu when i added entry there
[21:36] <EriC^^> what did you add there?
[21:36] <zubuntu> i had to repair the grub in ubuntu live cd
[21:36] <bprompt> zubuntu:   well, if  you don't like the 3rd party, MS has bcdedit.exe :) easyBCD is just a frontend for it anyway
[21:36] <EriC^^> i mean what did you add to easyBCD?
[21:37] <zubuntu> bprompt: really
[21:37]  * wileee voted uefi boot keep it simple
[21:37] <zubuntu> how can i reach there?
[21:37] <zubuntu> EriC^^: i added Linux entry
[21:37] <zubuntu> hmm i think i did it wrong
[21:37] <EriC^^> with what path?
[21:37] <zubuntu> i didnt choose sda4 in there
[21:37] <TJ-> I'm confused as to why zubuntu is messing with the OS boot-manager, rather than letting UEFI do its job so each OS-specific boot-manager only needs to load its own OS
[21:37] <bprompt> zubuntu:     you'd run it off a cmd/terminal session, in windows or a winPE session
[21:37] <erxr3> bprompt, I dont have a visible problem with the working of the computer or the files transferred to still-intact partitions (assuming from the preservation of total file sizes in partitions, also skimming through them). now I ended up with a single partition with critical data in it, and it is only that I wish to recover. but just I'd like to know, too, if my HDD or RAM needs a replacement.
[21:37] <tron103> With debian-installer, does anyone know how to stop ethdetect and netcfg from running?
[21:37] <zubuntu> TJ-: i really dont know to use UEFI
[21:38] <zubuntu> i am not professional at ubuntu
[21:38] <zubuntu> i am newbie
[21:38] <TJ-> zubuntu: UEFI is the firmware (think BIOS) on the PC itself.
[21:38] <zubuntu> let me check bcdedit.exe
[21:39] <bprompt> zubuntu:   https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709667(v=ws.10).aspx  <--- bcdedit.exe
[21:39] <erxr3> bprompt, that said, disk utility has been showing one error on my HDD for months, like "disk is OK, with one error" or similar...lately this had become "disk is OK, with one failing attribute"..
[21:39] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you need to add /EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi to the easyBCD to boot ubuntu
[21:39] <zubuntu> TJ-: never viewed UEFI in my pc :/
[21:39] <TJ-> zubuntu: The boot process goes UEFI start-up > UEFI boot manager > OS boot-manager > OS bootloader > OS
[21:39] <zubuntu> thx bprompt
[21:39] <zubuntu> thx EriC^^
[21:39] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you don't point it to the partition that has ubuntu, you point it to the efi partition, usually the 1st or 2nd partition in the drive
[21:39] <TJ-> zubuntu: Hmmm... I'm pretty sure Windows 10 requires UEFI; anyone else know for usre?
[21:39] <erxr3> I'd asked about this HDD error earlier, and I was informed that it wouldn't mean an immediate risk, but that I had to keep an eye on it
[21:39] <EriC^^> zubuntu: it'll be a fat32 partition, in case that helps
[21:40] <EriC^^> TJ-: not all
[21:40] <zubuntu> EriC^^: i think i couldnt add the entry properly in EasyBCD
[21:40] <zubuntu> i dont remember choosing sda4 in there
[21:40] <erxr3> so, my first question would be how I could find out where the problem lies
[21:40] <zubuntu> by the way which ubuntu version do you suggest?
[21:40] <EriC^^> zubuntu: i doubt it's sda4
[21:40] <zubuntu> it is EriC^^
[21:40] <EriC^^> zubuntu: are you on ubuntu right now?
[21:40] <zubuntu> i installed ubuntu to sda4
[21:41] <zubuntu> yes EriC^^
[21:41] <EriC^^> zubuntu: sda4 is the fat32 efi partition?
[21:41] <zubuntu> yes
[21:41] <EriC^^> yeah read above
[21:41] <EriC^^> zubuntu: you don't point it to the partition that has ubuntu, you point it to the efi partition, usually the 1st or 2nd partition in the drive
[21:41] <TJ-> erxr3: "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" look for errors in the SMART log, look for reallocated sector count in the table
[21:41] <zubuntu> EriC^^:  well sda0 was empty partition
[21:41] <zubuntu> sda1 windows
[21:41] <zubuntu> sda2 was windows logical partition
[21:41] <EriC^^> zubuntu: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:41] <zubuntu> sda4 was ubuntu
[21:42] <EriC^^> it'll make things clear
[21:42] <wileee> erxr3, HD fail, be backed up is your best plan, it could blow up any time, law of averages, no warning.
[21:42] <zubuntu> ok
[21:42] <bprompt> erxr3:   as TJ-  suggested, the logs would be a good stop, as far as your ram and hdd.... we dunno if they're that bad or otherwise
[21:43] <erxr3> wileee, sure, back-ups are always there, but when several drives get borked together like here, you're caught unaware
[21:43] <zubuntu> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xJ1ud9zY
[21:44] <EriC^^> wow i'm blocked there
[21:44] <wileee> erxr3, Sure, was this a user error though, you seemed to press forward with freeze after freeze?
[21:44] <EriC^^> zubuntu: can you paste in paste.ubuntu.com?
[21:44] <zubuntu> ok
[21:44] <malmonte> Hello
[21:44] <erxr3> bprompt, TJ- sure, then I will get back to the other machine and see the logs..I also had the error messages of partitions while these anomalies happened. I hope I still have them there in this turmoil. then I can show them to you, too
[21:45] <zubuntu> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13048019/
[21:45] <erxr3> wileee, no, I only power-shut in the first incident
[21:45] <erxr3> the later freezes took quite long to resume, but they did
[21:45] <zubuntu> cool that ubuntu has paste now :)
[21:45] <wileee> erxr3, Ah, well you have good help, I'm just biased on having your booty covered no matter what, if needed.
[21:46] <zubuntu>  3      198GB   206GB  8191MB  extended  5      198GB   206GB  8191MB  logical
[21:46] <zubuntu> what is extended??
[21:46] <zubuntu> and same size?
[21:47] <EriC^^> that's like a container for the logical partitions, so you can have more primary partitions
[21:47] <zubuntu> EriC^^: should i set swap area primary or logical?
[21:47] <EriC^^> it doesn't matter
[21:48] <EriC^^> anyways, you're using legacy not uefi
[21:48] <zubuntu> so what do u suggest?
[21:48] <erxr3> bprompt, TJ- and how can I make sure the external drives are still usable? I'd heard that wiping them with dd might show they're intact if it exits with no errors..also I heard of badblocks, but it reads that it takes quite long
[21:48] <EriC^^> i've no idea how to set easybcd to boot ubuntu
[21:48] <zubuntu> is it ok to give 30+ gb to ubuntu?
[21:48] <zubuntu> EriC^^: i think i know how to
[21:48] <EriC^^> maybe if you install grub to the partition itself not the mbr of the disk
[21:48] <zubuntu> as i said i forgot to define the partition in easybcd
[21:48] <EriC^^> and point easybcd to boot that
[21:49] <zubuntu> is there a way not to use easybcd?
[21:49] <zubuntu> as bprompt said?
[21:49] <EriC^^> zubuntu: i dont think easybcd can boot ubuntu like that, maybe if you install grub to the partition though
[21:49] <EriC^^> let me see..
[21:49] <zubuntu> ok
[21:50] <wileee> in the past with easybcd to get a boot back to windows to use, grub went to /
[21:50] <BlueProtoman> My "Applications" menu in the upper left corner (in GNOME classic) is broken!  When I click it, the menu doesn't appear.  Rebooting my computer (Ubuntu 15.04) does not help.  Any tips?
[21:50] <wileee> with a dualboot ubuntu after
[21:51] <EriC^^> zubuntu: yeah, it's right
[21:51] <EriC^^> "Assuming that Windows is already installed, install Ubuntu on another partition. Make sure that you install Grub2 on the Ubuntu partition - don't install it on the MBR"
[21:51] <EriC^^> zubuntu: check here http://askubuntu.com/questions/62440/is-it-possible-to-boot-ubuntu-using-the-windows-bootloader/62442#62442
[21:51] <sftrabbit> Just installed Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 today, and reducing my screen brightness (either with the function key or through the power settings) is causing my display to turn off. I've been having to do a hard shutdown when it happens. Increasing the brightness is fine. It's an Asus N56V laptop. Any ideas?
[21:51] <zubuntu> ok
[21:51] <EriC^^> so run, sudo grub-install /dev/sda4
[21:52] <bprompt> erxr3:    the trend is, when the hdd comes up with errors, it deteriorates further later on as time, and usage, goes by, so.... how to ensure the hdd are still good? if external, chances, they still are, unless you've bumped them somewhere, or damage them physically
[21:53] <zubuntu> EriC^^: grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[21:54] <TJ-> zubuntu: create a BIOS boot partition
[21:54] <zubuntu> in easybcd TJ- ?
[21:54] <TJ-> zubuntu: it'll need about 2MB to be safe
[21:54] <TJ-> zubuntu: for GRUB
[21:54] <zubuntu> but it didnt happen before
[21:54] <erxr3> bprompt, sure, you're right about HDD..could I rely on the referred tests for checking the integrity of external drives?
[21:54] <zubuntu> i used ubuntu and windows both before many times
[21:55] <zubuntu> with easybcd
[21:55] <KK6AXQ> I am trying to dual boot 2 instances of Ubuntu 14.04LTS on the same computer. How do I do that?
[21:55] <zubuntu> just i faced some errors for a week
[21:55] <TJ-> zubuntu: In MBR partition tables, a BIOS boot partition is type 4
[21:56] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Fala galera
[21:56] <zubuntu> i wish i understand what i should do TJ- :/
[21:56] <bprompt> erxr3:     I'd say yes
[21:56] <zubuntu> i am not so good with ubuntu codes and other things
[21:56] <KK6AXQ> Anybody?
[21:56] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Maybe
[21:57] <KK6AXQ> Can you help me?
[21:57] <Vieira-Ubuntu> I'm terrible with Ubuntu codes
[21:57] <zubuntu> me too
[21:57] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Are you from ?
[21:57] <KK6AXQ> Does anybody here have experience with dual booting the same versions of ubuntu
[21:57] <zubuntu> turkey
[21:57] <zubuntu> u?
[21:58] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Wow
[21:58] <Vieira-Ubuntu> I'm from Brazil
[21:58] <TJ-> KK6AXQ: one install of GRUB, let one OS manage GRUB config.
[21:58] <zubuntu> KK6AXQ: never tried
[21:58] <zubuntu> why do u need same ubuntu?
[21:58] <EriC^^> KK6AXQ: just install as usual
[21:58] <Bashing-om> KK6AXQ: What is the problem ? The install option "install along side" will happily install the other instance . ( I multi-boot too ) .
[21:58] <KK6AXQ> So just run the ubuntu installer twice?
[21:58] <KK6AXQ> one for each partition
[21:58] <zubuntu> nice to meet u Vieira-Ubuntu
[21:59] <KK6AXQ> Ok I just didn't know if GRUB could handle mutliple instances of the same version
[21:59] <zubuntu> which version of ubuntu do you sugges?
[21:59] <zubuntu> t
[21:59] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Pleasure is mine
[22:00] <zubuntu> EriC^^:
[22:00] <erxr3> bprompt, TJ-  and one more thing I forgot to say (due to the mess here, sorry), while these strange behaviours were happening, I often failed to create partitions, with the following kind of error: paste.ubuntu.com/13005683
[22:00] <TJ-> KK6AXQ: it'll be confusing since menu entry titles will be identical in some cases
[22:00] <zubuntu> which version do u suggest?
[22:00] <Vieira-Ubuntu> My version Ubuntu is... 15.10
[22:00] <zubuntu> i couldnt install 15.10
[22:00] <bazhang> !lts | zubuntu
[22:00] <Bashing-om> KK6AXQ: Yhere can be but one boot code per hard drive in the legacy (MBR) scheme . Last installed/updated will be that controlling authority .
[22:01] <Vieira-Ubuntu> But i installed the Gnome 3
[22:01] <Vieira-Ubuntu> interface
[22:01] <KK6AXQ> How could I change that?
[22:01] <zubuntu> so you say 14.04 bazhang
[22:01] <zubuntu> hmm
[22:01] <TJ-> erxr3: that looks simply as if the constraints in the call to parted couldn't be satisfied
[22:01] <zubuntu> i use classic gnome also Vieira-Ubuntu
[22:01] <Vieira-Ubuntu> I also used this
[22:01] <zubuntu> i like it
[22:01] <Vieira-Ubuntu> me too
[22:02] <bazhang> Vieira-Ubuntu, you installed gnome-shell ?
[22:02] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Yes
[22:02] <EriC^^> zubuntu: i suggest 14.04
[22:02] <zubuntu> i miss 10.04
[22:02] <zubuntu> thx EriC^^
[22:02] <bazhang> so logout and choose a different one Vieira-Ubuntu
[22:02] <Vieira-Ubuntu> ^
[22:03] <EriC^^> zubuntu: i think ubuntu mate is similar to the 10.04 ubuntu version
[22:03] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Why ?
[22:03] <zubuntu> i didnt like mate
[22:03] <Vieira-Ubuntu> i'm using 15.10 perfectly
[22:03] <EriC^^> zubuntu: not sure, just guessing
[22:03] <EriC^^> zubuntu: aha
[22:03] <erxr3> also another one of the same kind: paste.ubuntu.com/12983637
[22:03] <bazhang> Vieira-Ubuntu, you said you wanted to change from gnome-shell to something else, thats why
[22:03] <zubuntu> i was expecting new icon set in ubuntu for 2 years
[22:03] <zubuntu> but nothing changed
[22:03] <Daisy> hello?
[22:04] <Seveas> hi!
[22:04] <zubuntu> hi Daisy
[22:04] <Daisy> that's good
[22:04] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Zubuntu, To update you will need to make the terminal
[22:04] <Daisy> you won't get confused
[22:04] <Vieira-Ubuntu> put the code
[22:04] <bazhang> daisy did you have an ubuntu support question
[22:04] <bazhang> Vieira-Ubuntu, there is no code to put
[22:05] <Vieira-Ubuntu> sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:05] <zubuntu> lol
[22:05] <Daisy> bazhang that depends
[22:05] <bazhang> daisy this is ubuntu support please ask if so
[22:05] <iraqicode> hello
[22:05] <iraqicode> how are you guys
[22:05] <iraqicode> im new here
[22:05] <Daisy> bazhang OK OK OK
[22:05] <Vieira-Ubuntu> Yes there is
[22:06] <bazhang> daisy if you just wish to chit chat then #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:06] <Daisy> so here's the question
[22:06] <zubuntu> Daisy: if u are interested in ubuntu i can help you darling :p
[22:06] <Daisy> what are pros and cons of installing Ubuntu over Android on my laptop?
[22:06] <Bashing-om> iraqicode: This is ubuntu support channel, you have an ubuntu question ?
[22:06] <zubuntu> Daisy: i always prefer ubuntu
[22:06] <zubuntu> it is more reliable
[22:07] <erxr3> TJ- this is the output of ~'/.xsession-errors: paste.ubuntu.com/13048831  I have also log and syslog, but I dont know what kind of error I would need to look for in them
[22:07] <zubuntu> and stable
[22:07] <Daisy> could you elaborate a bit zubuntu?
[22:07] <zubuntu> android sounds to me cheap
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> Daisy  that question is more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:07] <zubuntu> Daisy: ubuntu is real OS
[22:07] <Daisy> I use Android on daily basis
[22:07] <Daisy> and it works great
[22:08] <zubuntu> try ubuntu then
[22:08] <Daisy> I did once before
[22:08] <zubuntu> you wont regret ;)
[22:08] <Daisy> but it had issues with my graphic card so I gave up
[22:08] <zubuntu> hmm
[22:08] <Daisy> it was to new card
[22:08] <zubuntu> what tablet do you use?
[22:09] <Daisy> nexus 7
[22:09] <zubuntu> ok
[22:09] <Tisgh> Yo
[22:09] <Tisgh> https://lwn.net/Articles/659199/
[22:09] <Tisgh> ??
[22:09] <Daisy> ?
[22:09] <zubuntu> bazhang: seems to kick you Daisy lol
[22:09] <bprompt> Daisy:     you use android on... your laptop?  chromebook?
[22:09] <Daisy> normal laptop
[22:10] <zubuntu> ibmt43: cool