[12:00] <aru> La_PaRCa: install stable
[12:00] <aru> -
[12:00] <La_PaRCa> aru, how would he go about that?
[12:00] <zerotime> !codecs
[12:00] <ubotu> codecs is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:00] <aru> download the stable iso and install
[12:01] <thoreauputic> aru: erm... what are you talking about?
[12:01] <aru> nevermind
[12:01] <martin_> Anyone knows about some nice photo manager for gnome? STK like picasa...
[12:01] <thoreauputic> martin_: gthumb is nice
[12:02] <thoreauputic> I don't know picasa, guess it's a Windows thing...
[12:02] <vini> thoreauputic, thanks a lot... now I'm listen MP3, but WAV files do not play
[12:02] <martin_> I know, but I miss some features (album generating, slideshow, red-eyes correction etc.)
[12:02] <thoreauputic> vini: wav or wma ?
[12:02] <retteketet> yes picasa is a windows thing
[12:03] <vini> thoreauputic, wav :)
[12:03] <jnk> martin_, f-spot maybe (didn't try in a while so I don't know if it has those features)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> vini: in a terminal, what happens if you type   aplay song.wav ?
[12:03] <kyncani> vini: install gstreamer0.8-plugins which will install a whole bunch of gstreamer codecs
[12:04] <aru> heh
[12:04] <htaccess> how do i tab between virtual desktops in ubuntu?
[12:04] <htaccess> ctrl tab dont seem to work
[12:04] <jnk> ctrl alt arrows
[12:04] <vini> thoreauputic, aplay: test_wavefile:689: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files
[12:05] <thoreauputic> htaccess: ctrl-alt arrow I think (I'm in fluxbox...)
[12:05] <martin_> I tried installing imgseek via apt-get, but didnt work... I will try the f-spot, thx for the tip.
[12:05] <htaccess> yea thats it, thanks
[12:05] <thoreauputic> vini: hmmm... what does the command   file test_wavefile   say ?
[12:06] <jnk> oops do not feel lucky for f-spot on google
[12:07] <aru> takes you to the project page...
[12:07] <jnk> aru does it?
[12:07] <apokryphos> Can the Ubuntu partition manager not format free space that hasn't been partitioned/formatted before?
[12:07] <jnk> I typed f-spot in the location bar in firefox... went elsewhere
[12:07] <vini> thoreauputic, test_wavefile: ERROR: cannot open `test_wavefile' (No such file or directory)
[12:07] <martin_> And guys, Ubuntu rules!
[12:08] <jnk> apokryphos, you mean gparted? sure it can, if you don't have too many primary parittions
[12:08] <thoreauputic> vini: well, of course you need to be in the right directory and use the right file name :)
[12:08] <martin_> I have tried Suse, Fedora, Mandrake, Debian and Ubuntu is my choice...
[12:08] <thoreauputic> vini:  file <name of file>
[12:08] <apokryphos> jnk: nope, the installer partioner
[12:08] <martin_> see you
[12:09] <kevin> Same here martin_
[12:09] <jnk> apokryphos, it definitely can
[12:10] <apokryphos> jnk: could be the fact that there's too many primaries; I'll check that out
[12:10] <vini> thoreauputic, ohhh, I didn't understand :P
[12:10] <thoreauputic> vini: :)
[12:10] <vini> thoreauputic, Menu-Tarantino.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, mono 22050 Hz
[12:10] <thoreauputic> vini: OK, well it should play AFAIK - try   play Menu-Tarantino.wav
[12:11] <apokryphos> jnk: is there any potential loss of data on a partition that's changed from primary to logical?
[12:11] <vini> thoreauputic, play? command not found
[12:11] <jnk> apokryphos, I don't know how you can do that without loss
[12:12] <vini> thoreauputic, whats AFAIK
[12:12] <jnk> (except by copying)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> vini: as far as I know
[12:13] <noplease> hiqall
[12:13] <noplease> uups
[12:13] <noplease> @
[12:13] <thoreauputic> vini: OK it's odd that you can't play a .wav file - seems you don't have the "play" script, which doesn't matter, but I think installing gstreamer-plugins is a good idea, as someone suggested
[12:13] <nickrud> vini, try this: sudo apt-get install esound-clients, then esdplay <file.wav>
[12:14] <yourghetek> is there a way to get a "boot from cd" command in grub?
[12:14] <SogniX> jnk, mind helping me some more? :p
[12:14] <nickrud> vini, I'm assuming you're using ubuntu, not kubuntu
[12:14] <vini> nickrud, yes, ubuntu
[12:14] <nickrud> vini, ok
[12:14] <jnk> SogniX, I can try
[12:14] <basti> fucking ATI cant they just make a driver that works...
[12:14] <vini> thoreauputic, I installed gstreamer-plugins when kyncani suggested
[12:14] <SogniX> jnk, I'm booted from a live CD and staring at a terminal window as root... but the drive with ubuntu installed does not show up in df
[12:14] <MIK3MAN> I am running the ubunto live cd, everything looks great, but I cant get wy wireless lan to work, I downloaded ndiswrapper.deb, but how can I install it manually?? I would like to make sure I can configure my wireless lan before I install ubuntu to the harddrive. Can someone help??
[12:15] <jnk> SogniX, it's not mounted
[12:15] <nickrud> vini, and, what app are you trying to play the wav file from?
[12:16] <MIK3MAN> ndiswrapper.deb is now on a cdrw, and is loaded in terminal. How do I install... anyone??
[12:16] <vini> nickrud, totem and rhythmbox
[12:16] <MrMo> MIK3MAN, dpkg -i is your friend
[12:16] <nickrud> vini, and mp3's work in both?
[12:17] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: thanks, hold on
[12:17] <vini> nickrud, yes, after I install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:17] <thoreauputic> vini: hmmm.... I don't often need to play .wav files, but if I were you I would install beep-media-player and set it to use the esound output plugin - I'm surprised totem won't play that file: else try running gst-register-0.8
[12:17] <vini> maybe my WAV file is broken
[12:17] <vini> nickrud, esdplay Menu-Tarantino.wav
[12:17] <vini> Audio File Library: WAVE file data format 0x161 not currently supported [error 0]
[12:18] <thoreauputic> vini: actually running gst-register-0.8 is probably a good idea anyway
[12:18] <vini> thoreauputic, I will try download another wav file
[12:18] <thoreauputic> vini: that command should regiater all your plugins
[12:18] <thoreauputic> *register
[12:18] <nickrud> vini, use the files in /usr/share/sounds as your test files
[12:19] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: its reading database... I have the source package... that shouldnt matter right?
[12:19] <lcore> Hmm. Chrootkit wrote: Warning: `//root/.bash_history' file size is zero. What apart from an intruder could zero it?
[12:19] <MrMo> dunno. should handle it transparently I think
[12:19] <vini> nickrud and thoreauputic, yes, my WAV file is broken
[12:19] <vini> works with another one
[12:19] <thoreauputic> vini: ah, OK :)
[12:20] <vini> thanks a lot :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[12:21] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: it installed successfully, I dont know how to get this to connect now.. trying through network, btw its a dlink card
[12:22] <basti> seriously. anyone can help me understanding what is wrong with my ati driver installation
[12:22] <MIK3MAN> MrMo: is there a terminal command I could use to get my ip stats?
[12:23] <MIK3MAN> says its connected, but I cant browse
[12:23] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: ifconfig
[12:24] <zukalk> !lamp
[12:24] <ubotu> it has been said that lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[12:24] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: thanks, hold on
[12:24] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: don't paste the output!
[12:29] <OdiiN> anyone knows how to configure Konversation and firestarter to be able to resume dcc downloads ? ( i'm behind a router)
[12:29] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: I know that.. heh, still not working.. think I need ndiswrapper utils?? its a dlink card. Under network it says connected and active, but I cant browse
[12:29] <MIK3MAN> ifconfig just gives me my loopback ip
[12:30] <thoreauputic> MIK3MAN: unfortunately, what I know about wireless and ndiswrapper would fit comfortably on a postage stamp , sorry ;)
[12:30] <felo> help
[12:30] <felo> help
[12:31] <nickrud> felo, ask
[12:31] <MIK3MAN> thoreauputic: thats ok, thanks, I know that the card will work under debian, I had it going with simplymepis
[12:31] <Will_> It's a good conductor! But a bugger to get into drywall
[12:31] <felo> i need driver song card daemond dt0398 ubuntu system
[12:31] <CrushToZeroo> Can someone give me a hand. I downloaded the window decorations at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I don't know how to install them.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Will_: well, it beats string and two paper cups i guess ;-)
[12:32] <Will_> thoreauputic: I was experimenting with string soaked in mercury... but the fumes got to me
[12:32] <Nsaneice> Hey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?
[12:33] <felo> nickrud?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Will_: ah yes, and I guess your face is kind of pale and drawn now - but it used to be a cure for syphilis, so I guess you aren't likely to get that at leaast ;-)
[12:33] <nickrud> felo, thinking and looking, I'm not a real sound guru :)
[12:33] <Will_> thoreauputic: I've not had sex in about....At least a month. I think I would have noticed an STD by now
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Will_: it took Henry VIII a lot longer than that to notice the symptoms ;-)
[12:34] <IIIEars> << practices safe sex - anyone have that 1-800 number? - lol
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Will_: but I guess this is for #ubuntu-offtopic - heheh
[12:35] <felo> i dont now
[12:35] <felo> no speak spanish
[12:35] <CrushToZeroo> how do I register my nick?
[12:35] <imaek> When I try to use DVD::Rip, or even try to play a DVD, I get the message "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable."
[12:35] <thoreauputic> CrushToZeroo:  /msg nickserv help
[12:35] <CrushToZeroo> thx
[12:36] <IIIEars> I don't worry about sex since i got married. - abstinence - lol
[12:37] <nickrud> eh
[12:39] <Burrito> does anybdy know where is the floppy disk in linux?
[12:40] <CrushToZero> Can someone help me please. I downloaded a few window decorations from http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330 but I'm not sure on how to get them installed.
[12:40] <Burrito> how can i save a file in the floppy?
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Burrito:  /dev/fd0
[12:40] <Burrito> ok
[12:40] <Burrito> thanks
[12:40] <thoreauputic> or /media/floppy0
[12:40] <enyc> butt: at least, thats the floppy _device_
[12:40] <enyc> /media/floppy0 is somewhere a filesystem on floppydisk may be mounted
[12:40] <TheWarMachine> hello one and all
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> I have a question
[12:41] <thoreauputic> enyc: yes, hence my follow-up to clarify where he might find it :)
[12:41] <enyc> i.e. "/dev/fd0" is usually a 1.44mb file representing the disk itself,  /media/floppy0 is where the files/etc may be visible individiually ;-)
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> im using realplayer and I get  no sound
[12:41] <enyc> thor: kk ;-)
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> any ideas
[12:41] <TheWarMachine> ??
[12:41] <nickrud> Burrito, first, you must mount the floppy, in a terminal, mount /media/floppy0
[12:41] <Nsaneice> Hey, what is the best place to put Windows drivers that ndiswrapper is going to use?
[12:42] <Nsaneice> Do I need to keep the drivers on the system even after ndiswrapper is done installing?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> TheWarMachine: sometimes deleting the *.swf files in the realplayer plugins directory helps (don't ask me why)
[12:43] <imaek> ARGH.  The DVDRIP package doesn't work
[12:43] <indentbp> hi all
[12:43] <derral_8> I looked at the ubuntu web site to find out what version still runs XFree86 but could not find it. Anyone no ?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> derral_8: warty
[12:43] <TheWarMachine> thoreauputic: ilol try it
[12:43] <derral_8> 4.3.0 ?
[12:44] <TheWarMachine> i will*
[12:44] <thoreauputic> derral_8: I think so - type X -version to see
[12:44] <knowledge_> ok guys I did menu makeconfig on my kernel and did what that guy told me and still no Wifi card
[12:44] <thoreauputic> derral_8: to see if you have warty type   cat /etc/issue
[12:44] <knowledge_> do I have to do a modprobe
[12:44] <knowledge_> ?
[12:45] <zukalk> heyko_, i just installed a LAMP and put some php files i wrote using windoze. they work fine in the Win apache2 server, but here i always get this error: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource
[12:45] <zukalk> (heyko_ this wasn't just for you, but xchat assumed it was, sorry)
[12:45] <nickrud> thoreauputic, yes, moving those swf* works, thanks
[12:45] <indentbp> Does anyone here have experience with the wifi rt8180 chipset
[12:45] <thoreauputic> nickrud: :) you're welcome
[12:45] <Burrito> nickrud: where is the floppy now?
[12:46] <nickrud> Burrito, if you did the mount command, then the files on the floppy are in /media/floppy0
[12:46] <knowledge_> anyoen?
[12:46] <Burrito> ok
[12:46] <Burrito> thanks
[12:46] <indentbp> All of my hardware is supported on Kubuntu except my netgear wireless card... can anyone help?
[12:47] <enyc> Hrrm
[12:47] <nickrud> Burrito, move files around as you wish, then umount /media/floppy0 before you eject, too late
[12:47] <zukalk> does anyone why i get the error "Warning: mysql_fetch_object(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /var/www/phpxs/test/news-admin3.php on line 128"? it works fine with windoze
[12:47] <zukalk> does anyone know*
[12:47] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I been using totem-xine, but it's nice that realplayer works now
[12:47] <enyc> inde: Does the hardware manafacturer provide/help the kernel developers with driver etc. ?
[12:48] <cafuego> indentbp: ndiswrapper
[12:48] <indentbp> nndiswrapper didnt work
[12:48] <cafuego> indentbp: Which card do you have?
[12:48] <indentbp> netgear ma521
[12:48] <nickrud> enyc, lol, not very often
[12:48] <thoreauputic> nickrud: I use totem-xine too, and ironically it plays more real media than realplayer :) I use realplayer to listen to the BBC
[12:49] <nickrud> mmm, bbc
[12:49] <nickrud> I miss it
[12:49] <psai_> anybody got a terratec dmx6fire 24/96 working with ubuntu ? i can only play soundfiles in some kind of fast forward mode
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nickrud: well, tune in with realplayer - the plugins for firefox seem to work OK here
[12:50] <cafuego> indentbp: Driverloader, ndiswrapper or a buggy realtek driver (8081L) are your only options.
[12:50] <Tsukasa> zukalk: you sure mysql is running? you sure the username allows your host?
[12:50] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I have dialup right now, I'm basically not on the net ;(
[12:50] <indentbp> cafuego: netgear ma521... im trying to use the rt8180 driver, im about ready to give up and either go with a different distro or buy a new card
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nickrud: I have dialup too - BBC radio works OK
[12:51] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I'll check it out
[12:51] <zukalk> Tsukasa, i'm sure it's running, i can confirm it using mysql-admin. how do i know about the username-host thing?
[12:51] <cafuego> indentbp: A different distro will still have the same issue. A new card might be a better option. I have a WG311, which works fine using ndiswrapper.
[12:51] <Tsukasa> zukalk: check out your mysql -> user table
[12:51] <thoreauputic> nickrud: realplay automatically changes the quality for low bandwidth
[12:51] <indentbp> im leaning towards getting a new card... im just nort ready to give up kubuntu. Any reccomendations on an easily supported wireless card?
[12:52] <enyc> inde:  "orinoco" chipset cards are good I understand
[12:52] <Tsukasa> maybe doing a check in the script itself would help too
[12:52] <indentbp> cafueago: wg311? thanks, im buying it now
[12:53] <cafuego> indentbp: Keep in mind that will _NOT_ work without windows drivers. There surely are cards that have _native_ Linux drivers.
[12:54] <zukalk> Tsukasa, these are the users i have: H:localhost U:root - H:ubuntu  U:root - H:localhost U:[blank]  - H:ubuntu U:[blank]  - H:localhost - U:debian-sys-maint
[12:55] <aru> ls
[12:55] <aru> dur
[12:57] <funkyHat> what is the default font path for ubuntu?
[12:58] <imaek> When I try to use DVD:: RIP, I get a "filetype/codec not yet supported by 'transcode'" message, and then it doesn't do anything.
[12:58] <imaek> Is there any way to correct this?
[01:00] <nickrud> funkyHat, you can find at the top of /etc/font/font.conf
[01:00] <funkyHat> thanks :)
[01:01] <nickrud> funkyHat, sorry, it's /etc/font/fonts.conf
[01:01] <funkyHat> ls: /etc/font: No such file or directory
[01:01] <funkyHat> eek
[01:01] <nickrud> funkyHat, I cannot type correctly tonight, /etc/fonts/fonts.conf :)
[01:02] <funkyHat> lol. i should have guessed and tried that
[01:04] <orates> ddefefa
[01:04] <sphincter> ssdgjgsd
[01:04] <evo|ution> heya
[01:04] <sphincter> anyone know where the xorg headers/sdk is?
[01:04] <evo|ution> i wanted to knw which gui does ubuntu use
[01:04] <sphincter> evo, whatever you want
[01:05] <evo|ution> i like gnome
[01:05] <sphincter> can be had with gnome or kde depending, but install what you want
[01:05] <evo|ution> will it work
[01:05] <Will_> Stop asking me!
[01:05] <evo|ution> im a newbie
[01:05] <nickrud> evo|ution, then get ubuntu, it uses gnome
[01:05] <evo|ution> thnx ppl
[01:06] <sphincter> hmmm....
[01:06] <kutucape> hi all
[01:07] <sphincter> no ideas on the xorg sdk?
[01:07] <nickrud> sphincter, sudo apt-get install  x-window-system-dev will get you just everything
[01:08] <sphincter> ahhhh... that's it. thanks
[01:08] <sphincter> i tried apt-cache search dev, but i guess i missed that ;)
[01:08] <evo|ution> ok one last question, can i have the link for the lastest version of ubuntu for amd64
[01:09] <sphincter> er..... ubuntulinux.org?
[01:09] <feugan3333> Hi all. Does anyone know where I can get the man pages for socket programming. eg "man bind","man listen"
[01:10] <cafuego> feugan3333: manpages-dev
[01:10] <nickrud> sphincter a good trick is, if you know a file you want, but don't know which package: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[01:10] <GreaseMonkey> you have to be frickin' kidding me
[01:10] <GreaseMonkey> I didn't pingout yet>!
[01:10] <sphincter> nick, thx
[01:10] <cafuego> feugan3333: I told the info pages are better for beginners and people who need more extensive docs than just a list of function calls and params.
[01:11] <sphincter> just making the switch from fedora, still unlearning ;)
[01:11] <indentbp> cafuego: is the wg311 a pci or pcmcia card
[01:11] <cafuego> indentbp: pci
[01:11] <cafuego> indentbp: If you're after pcmcia, get a decent prism54.
[01:11] <feugan3333> cafuego: Thanks. Where would I find the info pages?
[01:11] <indentbp> cafuego: does the prism have come with native linux drivers?
[01:12] <cafuego> indentbp: Alternatively, cisco ahs prettyd ecent support afaik.
[01:12] <cafuego> indentbp: http://www.prism54.org/
[01:13] <KB2000> indentbp: my laptop has a prism54g WLAN card internally... and it works in ubuntu autodetected...
[01:13] <feugan3333> Yes, linux supports the prism chipset in the kernel
[01:13] <indentbp> cafuego: thanks, i want to go with something that has linux support to avoid the possibility of not installing ndiswrapper correctly
[01:13] <cafuego> feugan3333: There are various prism54 chips and not all are supported the same way.
[01:13] <Kyral> Yah, I feel like an idiot
[01:14] <Kyral> I had this XChat open on another Desktop and forgot about it
[01:14] <KB2000> anybody know of an ubuntu supported webcam?
[01:14] <indentbp> when trying "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" i get an error
[01:14] <feugan3333> yes, my mistake, but in general cards with prism chipsets work on linux
[01:14] <cafuego> indentbp: You undoubtedly need the .inf, the .sys and various firmware files.
[01:14] <cafuego> KB2000: My wife's iSights works OK on Linux.
[01:15] <KB2000> i didn't need any firmware files for my prism WLAN card
[01:15] <KB2000> isights? it sounds like a mac thing?
[01:15] <cafuego> KB2000: Correct
[01:15] <KB2000> can it run on a pc?
[01:15] <cafuego> KB2000: It just a firewire cam. I run it off Coriander via v4l.
[01:16] <KB2000> and coriander is a webcam app?
[01:16] <cafuego> I do note that windows can't use it <heh>
[01:16] <sphincter> well, nuts
[01:16] <sphincter> that still didn't do it
[01:16] <sphincter> and a search doesn't turn up anything
[01:16] <sphincter> can't find xf86Version.h anywhere
[01:17] <cafuego> !find xf86Version.h
[01:17] <bob2> doesn't appear to be in ubuntu
[01:18] <DAC1138> is there a gnome equivilant of kdesu?
[01:18] <cafuego> !find xorgVersion.h
[01:18] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: gksudo, for sudo
[01:18] <bob2> DAC1138: yes, which ubuntu uses by default: gksu
[01:18] <cafuego> Stop putting the load on 1 and just answer me.
[01:18] <sphincter> apparently, this driver i'm trying to build needs the xorg SDK, which supplies that file
[01:18] <zukalk> how do i change a .txt's encoding?
[01:18] <bob2> er, ubuntu uses gksudo, right
[01:18] <funkyHat> can anyone help me add my windows fonts folder to my list of fonts folders? (mounted ntfs volume)
[01:19] <DAC1138> thanks
[01:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xf86Version.h' returned no results.
[01:19] <funkyHat> *and make my the fonts work :D
[01:19] <bob2> funkyHat: add an entry to /etc/fonts/fonts.conf
[01:19] <bit0> hello
[01:19] <JDahl> bob2, what are the chances of openafs 1.3.82 (http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openafs.html) making it into Breezy, possibly in universe?
[01:19] <Will_> You know, somebody told me their were umable to view .txt files on their computer the other day. I was not sure if I should laugh or cry
[01:19] <bit0> where is mkfondir file?
[01:19] <cafuego> !info openafs breezy
[01:19] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorgVersion.h' returned no results.
[01:19] <bob2> JDahl: if it's in Debian already, I wouldn't think you'd need to send too much whiskey to mdz
[01:19] <MIK3MAN> can I configure my dlink wifi card with the ubuntu live cd? or am I wasting my time and I should just install it to the harddrive and configure it?? I have been googling for hours.
[01:19] <bob2> JDahl: email the ubuntu-devel list, I guess
[01:20] <cafuego> well2
[01:20] <nickrud> bit0, try locate mkfontdir
[01:20] <bob2> MIK3MAN: you're wasting your time in the sense that if you configure it on the live cd, you'll need to reconfigure it over again once you install
[01:20] <bob2> most things don;t care about mkfontdir
[01:20] <MIK3MAN> bob2: thats what I'm thinking
[01:20] <bob2> (ie kde, gnome, mozilla, etc)
[01:20] <nickrud> not any more, thank god
[01:20] <DAC1138> anyone using e17? or anyone know how i would replace gdm with entrance?
[01:20] <cafuego> bob2: especially a read-only ntfs font directory
[01:20] <bit0> nickrud, which package contais "mkfondir"?
[01:20] <bob2> hah, yeah
[01:21] <MIK3MAN> bob2: I dont know what distro I want though... lol
[01:21] <zukalk> how do i change a .txt's encoding?
[01:21] <cafuego> or am I mixing up users now?
[01:21] <bob2> MIK3MAN: then just install ubuntu and enjoy!
[01:21] <bit0> nickrud, i'm using breezy
[01:21] <bob2> zukalk: iconv is one way
[01:21] <nickrud> interesting, mkfontdir is not installed by default in hoary
[01:21] <bob2> but you need to know what you're doing with it...
[01:21] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: you want ubuntu
[01:21] <cafuego> bit0: Well, X is a bit broken in breezy
[01:21] <nickrud> bit0, if I remember, it's mkfontdir :)
[01:21] <zukalk> bob2, thanks
[01:21] <bit0> cafuego, "a bit broken" ??? :((
[01:22] <MrMo> Whaaaaa! I gotta kill this !... I want to use my USB at HIGH speed... damit!
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: Ok ok, VERY broken.
[01:22] <MIK3MAN> feugan3333: I wanted my dlink wifi to work with the live cd, but that aint happenen
[01:22] <KB2000> bit0: X is quite broken in breezy...
[01:22] <bit0> cafuego, suuure!!
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: See /topic.
[01:22] <pax> anyone used QTParted successfully to resize an ext3 partition?
[01:22] <cafuego> bit0: if it wasn't broken, X works wotk fine and half of Gnome wouldn't try to uninstall when upgrading.
[01:22] <bit0> cafuego, how could i return to "stable"??
[01:23] <funkyHat> so will just adding <dir>/mnt/win/WINDOWS/fonts</dir> make the fonts work, or do i need to do anything else?
[01:23] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: yes there are not a lot of cards that work with live cds?
[01:23] <cafuego> bit0: Wipe, reinstall.
[01:23] <MIK3MAN> I guess I'll just try the full blown ubuntu for a week then decide
[01:23] <KB2000> bit0: breezy IS "unstable"... :)
[01:23] <FormerWindowsUse> I won an iPod via Apple's new 500 Million competition and tried to access it via gtkpod but it says my iPod's file structure is invalid.  What do I do?
[01:23] <feugan3333> MIKE3MAN: most cards require you to install their drivers (that is if there are any)
[01:23] <KB2000> it's nice to have the bleeding edge apps and get updates every day, but when X breaks it's not cool... been there... :)
[01:24] <bit0> KB2000,sure!,.. i know :(
[01:24] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: You probably need to set it up and format it using FAT32 (It may be an HFS formatted one). HAve you copied anything onto it yet?
[01:24] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, no
[01:24] <MIK3MAN> I will prolly be on here later guys once its downloaded and installed. You can help a noob to configure wifi
[01:24] <MIK3MAN> heh
[01:24] <cafuego> X is a fairly minor thing to be broken.
[01:24] <KB2000> cafuego: why is that minor? :)
[01:24] <Madpilot> is it possible to use Adobe's .pfb format fonts in Ubuntu?
[01:24] <feugan3333> Is breezy out in some form?
[01:24] <indigo_> can anyone tell me if there is something i must do to get alsa to use my echo indigo (pcmcia sound card) ?
[01:24] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: See if you can mount it (it'll be a scsi disk, sda or sdb)
[01:25] <MIK3MAN> I know the dlink works though, cause I had it working on Mepis
[01:25] <bob2> feugan3333: it's available for testing, but it's not recommended for new users
[01:25] <Slipaway172> i would like to know the difference between a primary and extended partition. i will use ext3 on a 2nd HDD to use as a backup
[01:25] <bob2> Madpilot: are they postscript ones?
[01:25] <MIK3MAN> I'll be back later
[01:25] <indigo_> Slipaway172: there is no significant difference, really
[01:25] <feugan3333> bob2: cool where can I get a look?
[01:25] <Slipaway172> what would reccomend i use for backing up?
[01:25] <Madpilot> bob2: yeah, google says .pfb is one of the Postscript formats
[01:25] <cafuego> where the crap did bringing go oin the kernel config?
[01:25] <raven3x7> indigo_,  huh there is a difference depending on how many partitions you need on your hd
[01:26] <bob2> Madpilot: then it should work fine
[01:26] <FormerWindowsUse> cannot mount my iPod, cafuego
[01:26] <bob2> feugan3333: dunno, if you wanted it, you'd just upgrade, or read the devel list
[01:26] <indigo_> Slipaway172: it doesn't really matter, but you can't have more than 4 primary partitions, and 4 subpartitions per extended partition
[01:26] <bob2> feugan3333: things like X are slightly broken, tho, so I wouldn't recommend it
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> FormerWindowsUse: use the 'create file structure' ion the menu
[01:26] <Madpilot> bob2: OK, interesting. Ubuntu recognizes them as fonts, but OOo doesn't seem to...
[01:26] <Slipaway172> OoOohhhh ..... thanks
[01:26] <feugan3333> bob2: ahh ok
[01:26] <bob2> Madpilot: OO has it's own magic font system
[01:26] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: mkdir /media/ipod; sudo mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda(X) /media/ipod
[01:27] <bob2> like it has it's own printing system, and toolkit, and java and ...
[01:27] <bob2> reuse is for the weak
[01:27] <indigo_> Slipaway172: http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiwtab.htm explains it in detail, but probably you don't really need to read it
[01:27] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, will this screw up my sys?
[01:27] <raven3x7> indentbp,  but for Slipaway172 backup drive its bobably irrelevant
[01:27] <Madpilot> bob2: ah. I'll have a look thru OOo config then. or ask on #openoffice.org...
[01:28] <cafuego> FormerWindowsUse: No
[01:28] <raven3x7> i just noticed that killall gnome-panel also kills azureus. thats weird
[01:28] <FormerWindowsUse> cafuego, do you own an iPod Shuffle?
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: it should automatically mount
[01:28] <funkyHat> it sometimes kills gaim too, it's a bit annoying
[01:28] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: That would depend on what's compiled into teh kernel.
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Notably Mac partition map support
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> true, I converted my ipod to fat for better compatibility
[01:29] <funkyHat> what do i need to do to get X to re-read fonts.conf?
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yes, I expect gtkpod wants that, which is why he might be having errors.
[01:29] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: he's not used it udner windows or macos...
[01:30] <enyc> Urrrm, do the breezy openoffice2 packages work on hoary? are there backports available for hoary ? [i cant see them myself]
[01:30] <enyc> only older 1.9.79 openoffice2 packages for hoary
[01:30] <FormerWindowsUse> ok thanks cafuego
[01:30] <FormerWindowsUse> :)
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: gtkpod doesn't care
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: gtkpod is file-level
[01:30] <bob2> enyc: the breezy onesalmost certainly won't install on haory
[01:30] <bob2> wow, my typing is getting worse
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> unless you're talking about initialising the directories .. in which case, yes
[01:31] <feugan3333> Anybody running amd64 with an nvidia graphics card. The installer provided by nvidia seems broken1
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Would it whinge if you were on a kernel without apple partition map or hfsplus support?
[01:31] <enyc> bob2: interesting
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: (IF you had an apple formatted ipod) ?
[01:31] <bob2> feugan3333: so, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: only in dmesg
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> when it tried to mount it
[01:31] <enyc> bob2: btw, I decided after much trying ot get used to various keyboards all over the place that my IBM ps/2 original clicky-clacky keyboard is the best that i make the least mistakes on and get east annoyed with
[01:31] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: He's getting some "Invalid structure" or somesuch error.
[01:32] <bob2> hah, I never been able to find one of them
[01:32] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: "file structure is invalid"
[01:32] <enyc> bob2: see http://clickykeyboards.com/  // http://www.pckeyboard.com/  ;-)
[01:32] <cafuego> Never mind, he left anyway.
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: yeah, that's because the ipod needs to be 'initialised'
[01:33] <hondje> I have some .mp4 files, nautilus doesn't recognize/thumbnail them, but xine plays them fine....how can I get them to thumbnail?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> with certain directories
[01:33] <JDahl> isn't it funny how laptop manufacturers charge you for recovery CDs and have more people in techsupport than a medium sized Europea city, and in the end all you need (and all that works) is a Linux boot CD? :/
[01:33] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Can gtkpod do that?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> there is a very clear menu entry for doing so :)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> in gtkpod
[01:33] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Ok, user error on his part then :-)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> yeah :)
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> I have my wife's ipod mini :)
[01:34] <sphincter> another question... shutdown hangs for several minutes at deconfiguring network interfaces and on everything after that
[01:34] <sphincter> ideas?
[01:34] <feugan3333> bob2: I'll take a look. Thanks
[01:34] <cafuego> my wife's birthday is in 32 days, she has a new mac mini and a new car stereo with ipod attachment....
[01:34] <hondje> cafuego: buy her a keychain
[01:34] <alejandro> hola
[01:34] <sphincter> or a hotwheels
[01:35] <cafuego> sphincter: We already have a few ACTUAL cars ;-)
[01:35] <bob2> enyc: oh, cool, I didn't know anyone had new ones anymore
[01:35] <sphincter> ok, put linux on her mini
[01:35] <sphincter> she'll thank you for it
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: heh, an ipod mini is $SFA
[01:35] <cafuego> sphincter: It's been running Kubuntu since the day we got it.
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> (well overall)
[01:36] <sphincter> heh
[01:36] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: She wants an ipod photo, though (also have new digicam)
[01:36] <sphincter> so why does this bloody thing hang so long at shutdown?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: why though?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. pointless thing to argue with a woman
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> but last time I looked the camera already had a screen :)
[01:37] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: took the words out of my mouth
[01:38] <cafuego> I expect the large storage has something to do with it
[01:38] <cafuego> our mp3s won't fit on a 30 or 40G ipod
[01:38] <linlin> Hi, I installed ubuntu hedgehog a few weeks back, without a gui. Now, I want to put in a gui, what is the easiest way?
[01:38] <robert_pectol> sphincter:  Do your system logs give any clues?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> cafuego: 4gb still holds a lot of mp3s :)
[01:38] <cafuego> and who can really go to the shops without Right Said Fred?
[01:38] <hondje> what's the difference between mpeg1, 2 and 4?
[01:38] <pax> a women is just another partition, never gives you trouble unless you mount it
[01:39] <enyc> ipods do seem a bit silly..  fancy and have the 1394 connection.. but there are many more players/etc. out ther to choose from with more versatile autdio-format support and everything.. it seems a bit odd to me
[01:39] <The_Vox> linlin: "sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop" if you want gnome...kubuntu-desktop if you want kde
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> enyc: they have a very very very good interface and a few other things
[01:39] <anto9us> I'm too sexy for the shops
[01:39] <cafuego> enyc: The issue is ease of use. Pretty much any other player I've seen comes with shitty windows software
[01:40] <The_Vox> enyc: it's the Cool factor, nothing else matters :)
[01:40] <enyc> hrrrm iirc they still supproted only mp3 [which isnt as good as newer codescs in many ways]  and   their weirdo aac which hardly any other portable player supports anyway.. and needs silly licensing etc. to useit
[01:40] <enyc> interesting
[01:40] <cafuego> well, that and having it in the glovebox whilst you control it from the car stereo itself is handy re not crashing.
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> enyc: FLAC and mp3
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> and AAC
[01:40] <raven3x7> linlin sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop i believe
[01:40] <linlin> ok thanks
[01:40] <enyc> hrrm, flac -- lossless,  not really what you want for portable thignie in most cases
[01:40] <linlin> its downloading a bunch of stuffs now
[01:41] <enyc> mp3 is not partcuarl good codec, you need needless anmounts of bitrate compared to aac, vorbis
[01:41] <raven3x7> The_Vox, why aptitude?
[01:41] <The_Vox> linlin: it'll take a while...it downloads tons of stuff
[01:41] <enyc> aac is not well supported on anyt oher player thingie et.c and loads of rpograms, which tend to support either vorbis or wma instead
[01:42] <The_Vox> raven3x7: it has better dependancy management logarythm than apt....even debian has marked apt as deprecated for the new release, and marked aptitude as the prefered tool
[01:42] <nalioth> y'all talking about an ipod or a mac mini in the glove box?
[01:42] <cafuego> nalioth: yes
[01:42] <IIIEars> synaptic works too. - good to know a variety of ways to install things. - synaptic is easiest
[01:42] <raven3x7> The_Vox,  didnn't know that. good to know
[01:42] <The_Vox> nalioth: ipod...you need more hacking power to get a mini working in there :)
[01:42] <JDahl> I'd rather make my own using gumstix...
[01:43] <raven3x7> The_Vox  should'nt it look for the cd first?
[01:43] <IIIEars> DRM - "Treat all of your customers like potential thieves." - O_o
[01:44] <nickrud> IIIEars, lol
[01:44] <The_Vox> raven3x7: only if you have the CD source for packages still uncomented in your sources.list
[01:44] <nickrud> he must work retail
[01:44] <sphincter> so.... i'm thinking 10 minutes and counting for deconfiguring network interfaces isn't normal?
[01:44] <The_Vox> raven3x7: the first thing I did when I installed was get rid of the CD line...I hate having to find CDs
[01:44] <nebular> Ok after a year long lapse in windows world I just switched to kubuntu, and now I can't figure out how to configure my X server. the default settings work, but they're a little off. Debian used to ask a lot more configuration settings
[01:45] <The_Vox> sphincter: it is too long...shouldn't take over a few seconds...a minute at the extreme
[01:45] <nickrud> nebular, you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -Plow xserver-xorg
[01:45] <robert_pectol> sphincter:   And your system logs??
[01:45] <raven3x7> The_Vox, yeah i gues if you have a good connection it really doesnt matter
[01:46] <anto9us> nebular: you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf directly if you're adventurous, make a backup first though
[01:46] <roy> can someone help me change my display resolution 640x480 to 1024x768?
[01:46] <IIIEars> nickrud - "-Plow" - what does that switch do?
[01:46] <sphincter> stops the kernel log daemon before deconfiguring network interfaces
[01:46] <The_Vox> raven3x7: it's not only that...I have the (bad?) habit of treating CDs as disposable media...there's around 500 unlabeled CDs here that I have no clue what they have....looking through them to find the kubuntu CD I installed from is...not advaisable :)
[01:46] <raven3x7> roy system>settings>screen resolution
[01:47] <roy> raven ...that doesn't work...and I'm new to linux - today is 1st day...
[01:47] <IIIEars> The_Vox - recycly your old hard drives with USB external cases.
[01:47] <nickrud> IIIEars, debconf has several levels for configuration, I don't remember them all, but critical asks the least questions, and low asks the most
[01:47] <nalioth> roy: ubotu will send you a clue, watch him
[01:47] <raven3x7> The_Vox,  i know what that feels like, although i do tend to at least write something on them
[01:47] <nalioth> !resolution
[01:47] <ubotu> resolution is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:47] <The_Vox> IIIEars: that's what's sitting on top of my computer...couple of 40G and an 80G :)
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> The_Vox: CDs are disposable media
[01:48] <raven3x7> roy what do you mean doesnt work exactly?
[01:48] <IIIEars> nickrud - Nice tip. :) - can't help but to learn something new here.
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> just make sure you dispose of them
[01:48] <The_Vox> nickrud: thanks for that tip, didn't know it either :)
[01:48] <cafuego> HrdwrBoB: Yeah, creek is full of 'em
[01:48] <The_Vox> HrdwrBoB: hehehe that's also true :) I do need to get rid of all of these CDs :)
[01:49] <roy> Raven3x7 - It only offers 640x480...no other choices...
[01:49] <raven3x7> roy interesting what drivers are you using?
[01:50] <raven3x7> roy btw you might wanna look at that wiki page ubuto spat out
[01:50] <raven3x7> ubotu
[01:50] <roy> raven: i have a dell monitor w1700 with drivers that should do a lot more than 640x480.
[01:50] <thoreauputic> roy: *cough* we suggest you read the recommended wiki page
[01:51] <cafuego> !wiki FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:51] <roy> thoreauputic .... will do..... thanks all!
[01:51] <IIIEars> <<- should put all USB drives on the desk.    If so, does it take a long time?  Are you certain it's the networking scripts that are taking so long to run?
[01:52] <jmspeex> For some (unknown) reason, the Ubuntu installer kept failing in the "timezone" section. How do I set my timezone manually?
[01:52] <IIIEars> difficult to hold nose and turn a screwdriver....
[01:53] <cafuego> IIIEars: If you can remove the actual drive from the case, rinsing the case in warm water and letting it dry out for a few days might save 'em
[01:53] <IIIEars> cafuego - interesting idea. i just tied the usb cable and box to the cats tail. - Just kidding.
[01:54] <nalioth> IIIEars: yes, cafuego is correct, a good washing, and let dry completely
[01:54] <cwells> nebular: the best results i've had (not on ubuntu) is to put in one card, run X -configure, get the config, swap cards, repeat, then merge the two configs
[01:54] <cafuego> IIIEars: I rescued an apple keyboard by dumping it in warm water and hanging it on a clothesline for a week. Mind you, that was coffee, not cat.
[01:55] <IIIEars> searched ebay for cat diapers. - no luck. - lol
[01:55] <cafuego> IIIEars: corks
[01:55] <IIIEars> ROFL
[01:55] <wrtpeeps> hi, i am wondering if i am allowed to redistribute ubuntuguide.org's downloadable guide
[01:56] <Madpilot> "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are not subtle and will pee on your computer" - read somewhere on the net... :)
[01:56] <nickrud> wrtpeeps, I think it's under the gpl now, check it's copywrite
[01:56] <nalioth> oh i've reached nirvana now!
[01:56] <cwells> wrtpeeps: does it have a license with it?
[01:56] <nalioth> nickrud: the ubuntuguide?
[01:56] <IIIEars> wrtppeps - it's updated frequently to reflect changes with ubuntu. - much easier to add a link to it.
[01:56] <wrtpeeps> i will check
[01:57] <nickrud> nalioth, yes, I was browsing the docs mailling list, and the author approved putting it under the gpl
[01:57] <cwells> IIIEars: he could mirror it
[01:57] <nickrud> don't know if actually is, yet
[01:57] <wrtpeeps> ah, in the Disclaimer
[01:57] <wrtpeeps> it's GNU GPL
[01:58] <cwells> the GPL is a disclaimer?
[01:58] <wrtpeeps> cwells: yea, under Disclaimer it says copyright.... released under GNU Gpl..... no warranty .. blah blah blah
[01:59] <cwells> ah
[01:59] <cwells> no warranty
[01:59] <cwells> k
[01:59] <cwells> makes sense
[01:59] <cwells> wrtpeeps: are you looking to provide a mirror for general consumption?
[01:59] <wrtpeeps> explain?
[01:59] <cwells> i guess not
[02:00] <IIIEars> GNU Public License - It can be distributed and any derivitive works using it must be freely available.
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> am i looking to provide a mirror for people to download off?
[02:00] <bob2> that's not quite true
[02:00] <cwells> yes
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> yes
[02:00] <nalioth> nickrud: good! there is hope yet
[02:00] <cwells> just the docs?
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> yes
[02:00] <raven3x7> need to get some sleep
[02:00] <nickrud> nalioth, yes, and if you'll look, the repositories are already fixed :)
[02:00] <cwells> thanks, i was just wondering
[02:00] <auk> hmm it is 17:00 here
[02:00] <bob2> IIIEars: the author of derivative works can decide who he/she gives them to, and only those people have the right to ask for the source
[02:00] <wrtpeeps> ubuntuguide is unofficial docs right?
[02:01] <bob2> IIIEars: those people can of course give it to whoever they like, tho
[02:01] <bob2> wrtpeeps: yes
[02:01] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: very unofficial
[02:01] <auk> !ubuntuguide
[02:01] <IIIEars> the repos are fixed? - growing pains ubuntu is getting very popular. - wide grin
[02:01] <ubotu> hmm... ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:01] <wrtpeeps> are the official docs available to download
[02:01] <TokenBad> whats a bandwidth monitor for ubuntu?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> I think that factoid needs rewording :/
[02:01] <nickrud> heh, ubotu still has the right answer, though
[02:02] <auk> wrtpeeps: if you want to download the entire wiki
[02:02] <bob2> thoreauputic: iptraf is nice
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> pffff
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> ok
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> anyway
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> bedtime
[02:02] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: I think bob2 meant that for you :)
[02:02] <bob2> er
[02:02] <IIIEars> the ubuntuguide contains from what i have heard some misinformation about configuring repositories. specifically backports
[02:02] <bob2> TokenBad: iptraf is nice
[02:02] <socomm> !guide
[02:02] <wrtpeeps> good night
[02:02] <ubotu> socomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:03] <Mobius> anyone know where one finds information about themeing GDM?
[02:03] <TokenBad> thanks
[02:03] <IIIEars> gnomelook.org?
[02:03] <socomm> Mobius: http://www.google.com
[02:04] <Mobius> thanks for the help socomm -_-
[02:04] <IIIEars> heh
[02:04] <nickrud> IIIEars, good point. at least it doesn't have marillat, and all that really needs to change on the repo's is commenting out backports, and pointing out how to uncomment them for codecs and a couple other things
[02:04] <nalioth> well i was not aware it'd been gpl'd
[02:05] <IIIEars> ubuntuguide is well done concise and step by step illustrated.
[02:05] <socomm> IIIEars: The thing about the ubuntu guide is that theres very little explation behind the process.
[02:05] <nickrud> except when it's wrong, like rp-pppoe. (at least that was bad)
[02:05] <nalioth> IIIEars: with no "how or why" to learn from
[02:06] <nickrud> maybe it should be retitled to expertubuntuguide :)
[02:06] <DAC1138> theme GDM?
[02:06] <DAC1138> wow, there''s such an interest in themeing everything nowdays
[02:07] <thoreauputic> at least the language on the wiki link for "don't advise ubuntuguide" has been improved... formerly it was kind of offensive
[02:07] <DAC1138> even login screens in which you only see every time you login.
[02:07] <liz4rd> whats the package called for the ms fonts?
[02:07] <IIIEars> I couldn't have done without it. - true i didn't learn a lot that was transferable. It was a toehold into linux
[02:07] <thoreauputic> liz4rd: msttcorefonts
[02:07] <nickrud> I think that reflects the doc teams efforts to integrate it into the mainstream docs
[02:07] <DAC1138> but thats the cool thing about linux, everything is customizeable
[02:07] <nalioth> liz4rd: msttcorefonts, i believe
[02:08] <bit0> cafuego, are you using breezy?
[02:08] <socomm> liz4rd: What nalioth said.
[02:08] <liz4rd> k thx
[02:08] <aceidia> does anyone know of a dvd player i can find?
[02:08] <Madpilot> !msfonts
[02:08] <ubotu> methinks msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:09] <aceidia> on multiverse?
[02:09] <blaylock> anybody know why i get an error saying that [somelang] .UTF-8 does not exist when i try to use a different language?
[02:09] <socomm> aceidia: totem-xine
[02:09] <aceidia> thx
[02:09] <nickrud> aceidia, and vlc and mplayer
[02:09] <nalioth> aceidia: any of your media players will play dvds, with the right codecs
[02:09] <blaylock> ive installed the various language packs via synaptic
[02:09] <IIIEars> everyone has a favorite. - grin
[02:09] <bit0> where could i find mkfontdir file ? (breezy)
[02:09] <socomm> nickrud: mplayer does not support dvd-menu though, dunno about vlc.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> the !msfonts factoid is inaccurate: msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[02:09] <aceidia> i have mplayer but it wont work
[02:10] <nickrud> blaylock, I think you have to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:10] <blaylock> ahh
[02:10] <nalioth> !info msttcorefonts
[02:10] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[02:10] <tanki> hi socomm
[02:10] <socomm> Hello.
[02:10] <nickrud> aceidia, try mplayer -ao esd <file> see if that works
[02:10] <nalioth> cafuego: what other db can ubotu be piped into?
[02:11] <tanki> socomm, can you view flash?
[02:11] <Madpilot> is someone re-writing !msfonts?
[02:12] <socomm> tanki: Yes. Follow the guide on ubuntus wiki.
[02:12] <socomm> !restricted
[02:12] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:12] <IIIEars> VLC is nice and can be used with all platforms
[02:12] <tanki> socomm, http://omgwtf.superlime.com/attention.swf heehee
[02:12] <IIIEars> okay i don't think it works with amiga
[02:13] <nickrud> just be sure to get vlc-esd if you use ubuntu
[02:13] <socomm> Haha.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> !msfonts
[02:13] <ubotu> I guess msfonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:13] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:14] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: done
[02:14] <thoreauputic> hmm...missing sudo...
[02:14] <Steve0> Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.
[02:14] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: good; I wrote the original but it was a straight copy'n'paste of !msttcorefonts or something too long...
[02:14] <Madpilot> !msttcorefonts
[02:14] <ubotu> I guess msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:15] <Madpilot> ubotu forget msttcorefonts
[02:15] <ubotu> Madpilot: i forgot msttcorefonts
[02:15] <blaylock> thanks nickrud, i think it worked
[02:15] <blaylock> now to test it
[02:15] <blaylock> :)
[02:15] <Madpilot> ubotu msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need multiverse enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[02:15] <ubotu> okay, Madpilot
[02:15] <Madpilot> just to be completist about it...
[02:16] <IIIEars> !DVD
[02:16] <ubotu> IIIEars: I give up, what is it?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: I also inserted a sudo in the msfonts one
[02:16] <socomm> !dvd
[02:16] <ubotu> socomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[02:16] <PLaf> i'm trying to boot to the install cd/live cd, but even though the bios allows me to set cdroom to boot, it wont find the boot sectors on the cds
[02:16] <socomm> PLaf: Could it be that you burned a freesbie instead of cd?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: teaching the bot should pronbably be done in /query
[02:17] <Madpilot> thoreauputic: i /msg'd ubotu, I'll fix the long msttcorefonts one now
[02:17] <PLaf> socomm: i ordered the cd's from ubuntu, it came in that cute little packet
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Madpilot: K
[02:17] <socomm> PLaf: Hmmmm.
[02:17] <nalioth> PLaf: are the cds burnt properly? (correct MD5s run on teh image adn the disk?)
[02:18] <PLaf> nalioth: well, once i boot into windows i can access the cd's fine
[02:18] <socomm> PLaf: Do other cds boot fine?
[02:18] <PLaf> socomm: nope
[02:18] <PLaf> see the thing is guyz, i have win95 installed, and i DESPERATELY need something else because it sucks
[02:18] <socomm> PLaf: What is the primary boot device?
[02:18] <socomm> Try setting your cd room as your first boot device.
[02:19] <socomm> CD->Floppy->HDD, or something like that.
[02:19] <PLaf> socomm: right now its just the harddrive, i already tried setting the cd as #1, and it just said "insert boot disk"
[02:19] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is There are several DVD applications Totem is installed with Ubuntu add totem-xine and it should work. Mplayer,VLC (Cross platform), XINE are just a few. All are threatened by US style patents.
[02:19] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:19] <socomm> Well you could make a boot floppy and then point the installer to use the CD.
[02:20] <nalioth> IIIEars: but you need codecs, for most of them to play dvds
[02:20] <hondje> PLaf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:20] <PLaf> ah thats smart, are there doc's on the web that explain how to do that?
[02:20] <PLaf> ah thank you hondje
[02:20] <hondje> :) No problem
[02:20] <IIIEars> ffmpeg is warning on it site that it will close soon.
[02:21] <tanki> socomm, when you get done with helping people i have another which requires a lot of reading and is long but is hella funny
[02:21] <cwells> IIIEars: ?
[02:21] <IIIEars> most players use a restricted codec. - got my fingers crossed that europeans wake up and crush the move towards new patent laws.
[02:22] <hondje> I think they already did
[02:22] <cwells> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php
[02:22] <cwells> i don't see anything
[02:22] <thoreauputic> IIIEars: the patents directive was defeated
[02:22] <IIIEars> Ah, great! - you made my day. :)
[02:22] <nickrud> ah, good news for once
[02:23] <IIIEars> ubotu forget DVD
[02:23] <ubotu> i forgot dvd, IIIEars
[02:23] <|QuaD-> always love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy :)
[02:24] <socomm> Why are you using breezy?
[02:24] <aru> me too, which is why I love stable
[02:24] <|QuaD-> socomm: why not?
[02:25] <teferi> socomm: because I'm a crazy masochist, clearly
[02:25] <|QuaD-> teferi: :)
[02:25] <wonderland> can anyone help
[02:25] <teferi> also because seven years of running debian unstable has taught me how to deal with massive breakage
[02:25] <bob2> wonderland: you need to ask a question first...
[02:25] <socomm> Well if youre running the development branch you really have no right to complain when things break.
[02:25] <teferi> i even know how to hack preinst and postinst scripts and fuck with dpkg internals at this point
[02:25] <teferi> hey, i don't complain
[02:25] <wonderland> is there any kind people liker there are on ubuntuforums.org
[02:26] <aru> there won't be, unless you ask a question :)
[02:26] <wonderland> I bet there alot of hackers here and can sense that im n00b and gonna hack the fuck out of me
[02:26] <thoreauputic> socomm: I didn't notice any complaints...
[02:26] <socomm> teferi: I was not refering to you in particular.
[02:26] <teferi> i actually find ubuntu's unstable branch to be a heck of a lot more stable than debian's unstable branches
[02:26] <teferi> have been
[02:26] <teferi> i've yet to get a single package ending up in 'Half-installed'
[02:26] <socomm> always love when my X won't start after a reboot on breezy
[02:26] <bob2> wonderland: please just ask your question
[02:26] <teferi> wonderland: relax and ask already, man
[02:26] <parabolize> wonderland just ask man
[02:26] <teferi> just chill
[02:26] <cwells> wonderland: just turn your computer off. you'll feel safer
[02:26] <|QuaD-> socomm: i never complained
[02:26] <thoreauputic> wonderland: I think you misunderstand the term "hacker"
[02:26] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good.
[02:26] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:27] <wonderland> ok, i need help regarding apache
[02:27] <teferi> IIIEars: gstreamer totem does DVDs now too
[02:27] <teferi> ...wait, only in breezy, nevermind
[02:27] <wonderland> i have read the bit in the ubuntu guide of where it says "Q: How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"
[02:27] <IIIEars> ubotu DVD is also gstreamer-totem
[02:27] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[02:27] <wonderland> And i dont understand it
[02:28] <nickrud> IIIEars, it's totem-gstreamer
[02:28] <teferi> ubotu, ubuntuguide?
[02:28] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:28] <teferi> ^^--
[02:28] <bob2> wonderland: so, why don't you ask a specific question
[02:28] <cwells> wonderland: you can use symlinks
[02:28] <bob2> then someone can give you a specific answer
[02:29] <nalioth> IIIEars: do those players play DVD out of the box?
[02:29] <Madpilot> !question
[02:29] <ubotu> No idea, Madpilot
[02:29] <thoreauputic> !hacker
[02:29] <ubotu> I guess hacker is well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[02:29] <Madpilot> !questions
[02:29] <ubotu> questions is, like, recommend reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:29] <wonderland> the information the guide gives to add to the new file, thats what i dont understand, where it saysAlias /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:29] <wonderland> <Directory /location_of_folder/>
[02:29] <wonderland>    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
[02:29] <wonderland>    AllowOverride All
[02:29] <wonderland>    Order allow,deny
[02:29] <wonderland>    Allow from all
[02:29] <IIIEars> unfortuneatly - no, - all need codecs added. except VLC for windows

[02:29] <wonderland> Alias /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:29] <wonderland> <Directory /location_of_folder/>
[02:29] <cafuego> !ubuntuguide =~ s/3/4/
[02:29] <ubotu> OK, cafuego
[02:29] <wonderland>    Options Indexes FollowSymLinks
[02:29] <wonderland>    AllowOverride All
[02:29] <bob2> wonderland: please don't paste crap in here
[02:29] <wonderland>    Order allow,deny
[02:29] <aru> hmm
[02:29] <cafuego> wonderland: Please stop pasting.
[02:29] <wonderland>    Allow from all
[02:29] <Madpilot> !pastebin
[02:29] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[02:30] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[02:30] <Madpilot> ...heh...
[02:30] <nalioth> IIIEars: then you should probably amend the factoid to include that additional codecs WILL be necessary for DVD enjoyment
[02:30] <hondje> eww, sending people to ESR? :(
[02:30] <teferi> hondje: indeed :(
[02:31] <thoreauputic> hondje: have you read the jargon file? It's very good and entertaining
[02:31] <Madpilot> what, the !questions thing I made? skim the article, it's pretty good...
[02:31] <thoreauputic> hondje: not everything esr does is bad, you know ;)
[02:31] <wonderland> can someone help please, that bit i pasted above,
[02:31] <hondje> No, I never read the jargon file, other than when someone links to an anti-sco joke :)
[02:31] <socomm> ESR is a good guy. When you said Ewwww you probably meant RMS.
[02:32] <bob2> esr's a bit of a nutter
[02:32] <socomm> Still, I admire RMS more than most people.
[02:32] <bob2> and far too eager to just babble instead of hacking
[02:32] <nickrud> Madpilot, maybe start with 'when you ask a question, be as specific as you can, <the link> can provide guidance'
[02:32] <hondje> RMS hasn't really ever been wrong :)
[02:32] <wonderland> where do i change it to make it work on home/chris/public_html
[02:32] <Madpilot> nickrud: good point. hold on...
[02:32] <wonderland> IS THERE A BLOODY PLACE PEOPLE CAN GET SOME HELP HERE. OR DOES EVERY ONE CHAT CRAP
[02:32] <thoreauputic> bob2: I agree - but the jargon file is kind of fun
[02:33] <aru> heh
[02:33] <hondje> ESR wants people to wear 'the game of life' logo as an official hacker thing, and pretends that it's still 1989....RMS wears a robe and calls himself a saint
[02:33] <thoreauputic> wonderland: great psychology, sir
[02:33] <socomm> hondje: Funny, neither have I. :P
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: just ask your question, and don't flood the channel
[02:33] <nickrud> wonderland, probably noone around feels competent enough; wait a bit and ask again
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: if you used pastebin
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: where it says "URL-path" it means "the path you want to have appear at the end of the url"
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: people could look at your problem properly
[02:33] <hondje> wonderland: what part of that guide thing confused you?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> wonderland: also shouting doesn't endear you to people
[02:33] <bob2> wonderland: where it says "location_of_folder", it means "where is the folder on your hard disk"
[02:33] <hondje> thoreauputic: well, I'm mostly deaf so sometimes it helps :)
[02:34] <wonderland> the folder which is var/www
[02:34] <socomm> hondje: http://stallman.org/harry-potter.html
[02:34] <Madpilot> tweaked !questions:
[02:34] <Madpilot> !questions
[02:34] <ubotu> somebody said questions was what #ubuntu exists for. Please help by asking good, clear questions. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is recommended reading.
[02:34] <PLaf> hey hondje, i tried the smartbootmanager, and when i booted it said "SBM Bad!"
[02:34] <funkyHat> xmms has mysteriously stopped playing .wma files
[02:35] <DAC1138> xmms never works here
[02:35] <DAC1138> loads, then freezes and needs killed
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: I don't think you've really explained what you're trying to do, though
[02:35] <wonderland> what do i replace with this part: /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: which makes it hard to help you
[02:35] <funkyHat> :( i don't like any of the other media players
[02:35] <bob2> wonderland: by default it serves /var/www, so you don't need to do anything
[02:35] <nickrud> Madpilot, very nice
[02:35] <DAC1138> anyone here able to get ANY audio editing apps working?
[02:36] <wonderland> the guide gives you text to enter in a text file, which is that text that i copied and pasted
[02:36] <DAC1138> or is my ubuntu install just b0rked?
[02:36] <nickrud> DAC1138, try changing the audio output
[02:36] <DAC1138> nickrud, how do i do that?
[02:36] <wonderland> so what do i  replace with this part of the text:  /URL-path /location_of_folder/
[02:36] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: yes, audacity works for me
[02:36] <chaps0063> has anyone gotten any WMAs that are DRM'd to play?
[02:36] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, doesnt work here, says some crap about not being able to access sound system
[02:36] <funkyHat> chaps0063, no, it's not possible at the moment
[02:37] <chaps0063> funkyHat: darn.
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: so, stop talking and explain what the hell you're trying to do
[02:37] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: yet another esd issue, I'm afraid
[02:37] <funkyHat> untill someone breaks the wma drm ;)
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: if your goal is "have apache server the contents of /var/www", you're already done
[02:37] <wonderland> bib can i talk to you by your self
[02:37] <nickrud> DAC1138, I don't have it installed at the moment, but right click options/preferences, something like that I think
[02:37] <tobsen> hello
[02:37] <bob2> wonderland: if it's something else, you've done a terrible job if enlighetning it
[02:37] <indentp> I succesfully installed the buggy rt8180 driver by using driverloader and i am getting a signal from the wireless network but I still can not access the internet or ping any websites
[02:37] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: short and dirty way: killall esd - longer way, configure dmix and get rid of esd
[02:37] <DAC1138> "Error initializing the i/o layer"
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you want to have your webserver serve the contents of /home/user/public_html by default?
[02:38] <bob2> wonderland: just ask your real question
[02:38] <wonderland> yes
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ok.
[02:38] <wonderland> ho fucking ray
[02:38] <indentp> are there any settings in konqueror i am forgeting about?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you could have said that.
[02:38] <nickrud> :)
[02:38] <wonderland> well like i said im a n00b
[02:38] <funkyHat> anyone got any ideas for my xmms-wma problem?
[02:38] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, that worked. thatnks.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> easiest way is to go to /vart
[02:38] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, is that a bug they're working on in ubuntu?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> /var
[02:38] <bob2> wonderland: so, stop telling us what you don't understand, and just tell us what you're trying to do
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo mv www www-orig
[02:39] <wonderland> you just said what i want to do
[02:39] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: I believe breezy will fix it, yes
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sudo ln -s /home/yourusername/public_html www
[02:39] <nickrud> best way, if it's not a portable, is getting a sound card that supports hardware mixing
[02:39] <bob2> wonderland: so, you don't need to do anything, apache is already doing that
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> anything based on the emu10k1 is good
[02:39] <parabolize> wonderland: when you get some free time read this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> sblive
[02:39] <bob2> wonderland: and in future, just ask your question to begin with, don't flood the channel, and don't be aggressive and rude to people trying to help you
[02:39] <indentp> can ayone help me with a wifi card problem?
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: what *I* said or what he said
[02:40] <funkyHat> well, i'd like to be able to configue both my soundcards :D not a lot of hope of that is there
[02:40] <wonderland> but how does apache now that public_html
[02:40] <wonderland> is being part of its webserver
[02:40] <bob2> wonderland: it's configured to do that in apache2.conf
[02:41] <nickrud> funkyHat, yes, alsa supports that, look on alsa-project.org
[02:41] <wonderland> ok so im going to add a file in there called index.php but how do i access that file
[02:41] <PLaf> great, im trying to make a boot disk and windoze is giving me magic disk problems rofl
[02:41] <tobsen> hello can i just ask something quickly? i dont know how to tell the terminal that ive got SUDO rights... the thing is: i want to mount a HD but the PC thinks ive got no rights :o
[02:41] <tobsen> thanks :P
[02:42] <nickrud> tobsen, do you still have your originally installed user account available?
[02:42] <hondje> wonderland: if it's in the root dir for your webserver, you just go to your domain (or <IP_ADDRESS>) and it'll pop up
[02:42] <tobsen> yes
[02:42] <tobsen> i was just told i should type "su command"
[02:42] <nickrud> tobsen, log in as that user, then sudo adduser <newuser> admin
[02:42] <funkyHat> nickrud,  one of my soundcards appears to be using ALSA (I can see them both in , but can't choose between them in applications)
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> tobsen: sudo
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> not su
[02:42] <bob2> tobsen: no, 'sudo command'
[02:43] <wonderland> but it wont be becuse var/www/ is completely locked and un writable
[02:43] <tobsen> no i dont want a new user i just want the system to know ive got the rights
[02:43] <bob2> tobsen: look at the adduser manpage, that command is not creating a new user
[02:43] <wonderland> thats why iwant to create a folder away
[02:43] <hondje> why would you want a php script to write to /var/www?
[02:43] <bob2> it's adding an existing one to the admin group
[02:43] <tobsen> ahh, sorry i am very new to ubuntu :blush:
[02:43] <bob2> hondje: he/she wants to write to a php script there
[02:43] <hondje> oh, you can't copy it to there
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: make the php file
[02:44] <wonderland> finally someone
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: then use sudo to copy it
[02:44] <hondje> sudo cp index.php /var/www/index.php
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> sudo cp index.php /var/www
[02:44] <PLaf> oh too slow :D
[02:44] <hondje> sudo gives you permission to write there, cp copies
[02:44] <wonderland> could i do that in gui
[02:44] <wonderland> instead of going sudo
[02:44] <PLaf> personally, i hate guis
[02:44] <nickrud> funkyHat, I ran two cards a while ago, I think I had to write wrapper scripts, but my memory extremely fuzzy on htat
[02:44] <wonderland> becuase scripting php in linux is gona be a nightmare
[02:45] <bob2> wonderland: er, no, it's the same as writing php anywhere
[02:45] <nickrud> *is extremely fuzzy on that
[02:45] <wonderland> ok ill make the php file
[02:45] <TheWarMachine> where is realplayer installeed
[02:45] <TheWarMachine> ?
[02:45] <tobsen> the user i am currently logged in with is already member of the "admin group"
[02:45] <nalioth> wonderland: giving a gui root priveleges to fix your current problem can lead to your user account being severely messed up
[02:46] <bob2> tobsen: paste the exact error you got to #flood
[02:46] <bob2> including the command you ran
[02:46] <indentp> I am getting excellent signal on my KWiFi Manager but still can not ping or access any websites.... any ideas?
[02:46] <joKKer_fr> des francais ici ?
[02:46] <wonderland> ok
[02:46] <TheWarMachine> where is realplayer installeed
[02:46] <hondje> joKKer_fr: #ubuntu-fr
[02:46] <tobsen> its in german *blush
[02:46] <wonderland> ill note that
[02:46] <socomm> joKKer_fr: /join #unbuntu-fr
[02:46] <joKKer_fr> ok thanks
[02:46] <tobsen> tobsen@Tobsen:~$ sudo adduser tobsen admin
[02:46] <tobsen> Der Benutzer tobsen ist bereits ein Mitglied der Gruppe admin.
[02:47] <indentp> It took me a good 8 hours to get this driver installed, and I finally got the card up and running, but still no internet
[02:47] <evader> Hi I'm using Hoary. How can I get some sort of mail notification for Evolution in my systray/notfication area please?
[02:47] <tobsen> it says "tobsen is already a membe rof the admin group"
[02:47] <wonderland> does that mean ill have to use console mode through out my whole php coding experience in ubuntu
[02:47] <evader> I thought there was an applet, cant fidn it
[02:47] <funkyHat> TheWarMachine, do locate realplayer
[02:47] <bob2> tobsen: no, from the command you were trying to run to begin with
[02:47] <bob2> wonderland: no
[02:47] <indentp> are there any special settings in konqueror i am overlooking?
[02:47] <PLaf> blarg, ive tried two different ways to install SBM, and both have failed
[02:47] <wonderland> anyway i created the php file now its in desktop where shall i copy it to in gui
[02:47] <tobsen> tobsen@Tobsen:~$ mkdir /media/windows_c
[02:48] <thoreauputic> wonderland: try to be less negative: there are usually solutions if you need them :)
[02:48] <bob2> tobsen: no, that's wrong
[02:48] <tobsen> i was trying that
[02:48] <bob2> tobsen: sudo mkdir /media/windows_c
[02:48] <tobsen> Oh
[02:48] <DAC1138> alright, this is beginning to annoy me. my mouse lags every time i open a program or have a sudden jump in cpu useage
[02:48] <tobsen> Ohhh
[02:48] <tobsen> :)
[02:48] <tobsen> thank you I'll try
[02:48] <wonderland> i dont mean to be rude but what does that mean
[02:48] <DAC1138> ive got a 2.2 ghz processor and 768 mb ram, i should see lag in a mouse cursor
[02:48] <evader> Anyone please? Mail notifcation with Evolution in the systray? Is there an applet? Anything?
[02:49] <bob2> evader: just use the mail notification applet
[02:49] <DAC1138> evader, gdesklets maybe
[02:49] <wonderland> o yeah i have NOT dont this step of the guide "How to map URLs to folders outside /var/www/?"
[02:49] <bob2> wonderland: yes, that's fine
[02:49] <nickrud> evader, not really no, the one that comes with ubuntu is not really useful with evo
[02:49] <umarmung> evader: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=402
[02:49] <indentp> cafuego: you there? my card has signall but I still can not ping any addresses outside of my network
[02:49] <indentp> my head is about to explode
[02:50] <wonderland> do i need to do that step to make home/chris/public_html run as part of the server
[02:50] <chaps0063> I was hoping to get some help in setting up apache/mysql as inetd for use on my laptop instead of daemon.
[02:50] <nickrud> oh, umarmung thanks
[02:50] <aceidia> can anyone help me to get mplayer to play dvd's..?
[02:50] <nickrud> gonna try that very soon
[02:50] <nalioth> evader: there is a mail-notification applet, but dont think it runs with evolution
[02:50] <chaps0063> aceidia: you need libdvdcss2
[02:50] <cafuego> indentp: Load drivers, set options (essid, key, etc) fetch IP, set route, off you go.
[02:50] <TheWarMachine> im not getting any sound from realplayer
[02:50] <TheWarMachine> or vlc
[02:50] <chaps0063> aceidia: plus, I use xine-ui instead.
[02:51] <wonderland> bob2: please help
[02:51] <TheWarMachine> any thoughts?
[02:51] <wonderland> weres bob2?
[02:51] <bob2> wonderland: no, as I said, you don't need to
[02:51] <DAC1138> aceidia, yeah, why limit yourself to mplayer?
[02:51] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, you probably need vlc-esd
[02:51] <aceidia> if i get that do i need to get the codex or w/e.?
[02:51] <DAC1138> aceidia, there's xine, videolan, ogle (i use ogle, it supports menus) and i think powerdvd for linux is out, though its not free
[02:51] <wonderland> ok sorry for being a pain, but then what do i do, just please give me a general step by step guide
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: no
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: you need to ask specific questions
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: you have apache working, and youve been told how to put your php file there
[02:52] <funkyHat> wonderland, all you need to do is uncomment the related lines in apache2.conf, and make sure your home directory permissions are ok
[02:52] <bob2> wonderland: what do you want to do next?
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia: add those, then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 xine-ui
[02:52] <aceidia> i'm new don;t know what i can get..
[02:52] <indentp> cafuego: drivers are loaded, essid is correct and no WEP for now... no local ip address picked up under KWiFi Manager however
[02:52] <chaps0063> aceidia: I was new once too...:-)
[02:52] <TheWarMachine> nickrud, what about realplayer?
[02:52] <aceidia> k thanx
[02:52] <DAC1138> aceidia, doesnt matter if you're new, look at the ubuntu guide
[02:52] <wonderland> does this not leave security issues
[02:52] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, I haven
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: how?
[02:53] <chaps0063> DAC1138: yeah, I was a nub one day...I still am..hehe
[02:53] <TheWarMachine> ??
[02:53] <wonderland> wy the way where is the config file
[02:53] <indentp> getting excellent signal strength, yet still cant get online
[02:53] <nickrud> 't configured realplayer recently, but I think you need to configure it to use esd for sound
[02:53] <DAC1138> chaps0063, we're all n00bs, we're just a higher level :)
[02:53] <TheWarMachine> how wuld I do that?
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: /etc/apache2/ (basically all packages put system config files in /etc/packagename/)
[02:53] <DAC1138> but the thing is, you can be a n00b, that doesnt mean the ubuntu guide is too hard
[02:53] <bob2> wonderland: but please don't touch it, you'll only screw it up
[02:53] <chaps0063> DAC1138: but now I can install java without looking at any directions.
[02:53] <DAC1138> actually, the unofficial ubuntu guide is the best written distro documentation ive ever seen
[02:54] <chaps0063> DAC1138: and thats a big step from where I was, got my start with mandrake.
[02:54] <knowledge_> really stupid question....when using Gnome....are you using GTK+ or X11?
[02:54] <bob2> knowledge_: both
[02:54] <DAC1138> knowledge_, gtk
[02:54] <thoreauputic> knowledge_: both
[02:54] <wonderland> but you said uncomment it now your saying dont touch it
[02:54] <bob2> knowledge_: X just put pixels on the screen, gtk tells x11 to draw buttons and menus and ...
[02:54] <DAC1138> you cant have gtk really without x, can you?
[02:54] <knowledge_> mannnn I think I'm just going to format and reinstall
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: no, I didn't say that at all
[02:54] <wonderland> shall i just go back to windows
[02:54] <DAC1138> x11 libs
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: just leave it alone
[02:54] <bob2> wonderland: if you want to use windows, go for it
[02:54] <wonderland> no i dont
[02:54] <DAC1138> wonderland, if you're not willing to help yourself, yes
[02:55] <bob2> DAC1138: you can, it has been ported to run directly on the framebuffer, and it works on windows without X
[02:55] <wonderland> please
[02:55] <bob2> wonderland: you haven't asked a useful question
[02:55] <DAC1138> wonderland, we can help, but you need to put fourth some effort and not expect us to baby you through it all
[02:55] <chaps0063> wonderland: what are you having trouble with
[02:55] <nalioth> wonderland: windows has more oppertunitys for hackers, then linux
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you might do well to spend some time familiarising yourself with the linux environment
[02:55] <indentp> cafuego: i may need help configuring the card correctly, everything seems to be fine except no local IP resolved... is this the problem? how can I check to see what is not configured correctly?
[02:55] <nickrud> heh, it's been so long I don't even recognize realplayer10's config screen :)
[02:55] <knowledge_> bob2, or anyone ever deal with wxWidgets?
[02:55] <DAC1138> wonderland, help us help you
[02:55] <wonderland> ok
[02:55] <bob2> knowledge_: I used it once from python, I think
[02:55] <bob2> I prefered glade
[02:55] <wonderland> i cannot create anything in /var/www/
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: yes, indeed
[02:56] <wonderland> becuase its completely locked
[02:56] <knowledge_> I'm trying to install soulseek...I updated like a million and a half packages...and it's still lnot working
[02:56] <wonderland> so where do i put my php files to access them through a webbrowser
[02:56] <pax> wonderland: #apache
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: an easy fix for this is sudo chown youruser /var/www
[02:56] <knowledge_> I think I'm going to format and reinstall so I can also get my wifi card back
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/
[02:56] <bob2> wonderland: but be very careful
[02:56] <kbrooks> No, knowledge_
[02:56] <wonderland> no this is a security risk iv been told
[02:57] <wonderland> what other ways is there
[02:57] <funkyHat> i was hesitant to give that advice...
[02:57] <kbrooks> wonderland, um
[02:57] <knowledge_> kbrooks, I've tried what people told me to try, and no dice....
[02:57] <funkyHat> create a directory inside /var/www
[02:57] <DAC1138> knowledge_, wait, what?
[02:57] <kbrooks> this is not a "security risk"
[02:57] <aru> wonderland: I would consider going back to windows if I were you
[02:57] <funkyHat> call it whatever you want, chown that to $USER:apache
[02:57] <bob2> wonderland: how on earth is it a security risk?
[02:57] <kbrooks> aru!
[02:57] <chaps0063> wonderland: are you editing locally or are people other than those on your computer going to access them?
[02:57] <DAC1138> knowledge_,  try "dhclient eth1" or whatever your wifi card was detected as
[02:57] <pax> wonderland: your other option is to set a vhost and have rootdir as user dir
[02:57] <kbrooks> DONT BE SERIOUS
[02:58] <wonderland> im alone user on the computer
[02:58] <indentp> iwconfig gives me: wlan0 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"homenet" Nickname:"unknown"
[02:58] <knowledge_> DAC1138, no such device
[02:58] <wonderland> this computer is the linux (ubuntu)machine
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, im having problems getting wired ethernet working. ubuntu wants to default to the wifi device that isnt there anymore
[02:58] <chaps0063> isn't there a way to not allow anyone else to connect to apache but localhost?
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, so its not even detecting a secondary ethernet device?
[02:58] <chaps0063> I'm not sure.
[02:58] <TheWarMachine> nickrud any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, in ifconfig?
[02:58] <knowledge_> I had it working until I patched my kernel
[02:58] <DAC1138> knowledge_, ah, yeah, i'd say reinstall
[02:58] <knowledge_> and the only reason I patched it was because there was a how to
[02:58] <indentp> with ndiswrapper?
[02:58] <wonderland> so now every nows my problem, what can i do apart from changing the permission of var/www/
[02:59] <bob2> wonderland: so, chown it
[02:59] <chaps0063> wonderland: who told you its a security risk?
[02:59] <kbrooks> wtf
[02:59] <bob2> wonderland: it is not a security issue
[02:59] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, my realplayer freezes also, but then, I generally use totem-xine to watch real media. I hadn't noticed, and have no advice at the moment.
[02:59] <knowledge_> DAC1138, no hope huh?
[02:59] <robert_pectol> What's the best way (command) to search for a specific package name for Debian and Debian derived distros?  I just moved to Ubuntu after 5+ years on Red Hat/Mandrake and am still trying to "come up to speed" on the subtle differences...
[02:59] <hondje> but having /dev/shm mounted rw is ... what a world :)
[02:59] <wonderland> its a thread on ubuntuforums, and anyway why doesnt the guide tell my chown it then
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: you can use sudo cp like we said
[02:59] <wonderland> yes
[02:59] <bob2> robert_pectol: apt-cache search package
[02:59] <wonderland> thats a good way
[02:59] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: because the guide is on crack
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: because tthe forums are wrong
[03:00] <TheWarMachine> nickrud, totem doesn't even work
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: and the guide is also wrong
[03:00] <robert_pectol> bob2:   Thanks!
[03:00] <wonderland> but i want to use gui
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont believe everything you read
[03:00] <nalioth> robert_pectol: use synaptic
[03:00] <DAC1138> knowledge_, probably not. ive been having wifi problems until i tried ubuntu, its the only distro to get my card working out of the box (at all actually)
[03:00] <wonderland> you lot are talking bullshit
[03:00] <wonderland> now
[03:00] <chaps0063> wonderland: sudo (app you want to use)
[03:00] <robert_pectol> synaptic?
[03:00] <knowledge_> yeah I hear ys
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: please stop it
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: you're being rude, and you're way out of your depth
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont believe everything you read!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:00] <wonderland> bob2 your taking the piss
[03:00] <nalioth> robert_pectol: system > admin > synaptic package mangler
[03:00] <bob2> wonderland: the solution to your problem is to chown /var/www
[03:00] <kbrooks> wonderland, no you are
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: no he's not
[03:00] <chaps0063> wow..
[03:00] <wonderland> you dont really talk like that
[03:00] <indentp> DAC1138: could you help me with getting my card online?
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: do it, or not, but you're wasting everyone's time
[03:01] <chaps0063> wonderland: relax.
[03:01] <hondje> lol
[03:01] <wonderland> is there any other way then
[03:01] <chaps0063> wonderland: what gui-app do you want to use?
[03:01] <DAC1138> indentp, i could try, whats the problem?
[03:01] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: I assure you that you're surrounded by people who by and large know damn well what they're talking about
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: use chown.
[03:01] <IIIEars> Hey! if you guys can't get along will we have to seperate you? - ;)
[03:01] <robert_pectol> nalioth:   Cool!  I'll try that although I prefer the cli for installing software.  Thanks again!
[03:01] <nickrud> TheWarMachine, I used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotem to get totem-xine to work right
[03:01] <knowledge_> alright...I'm off to reinstall
[03:01] <knowledge_> later people
[03:01] <chaps0063> IIIEars: lol... wonderland to the corner in the left please...
[03:01] <wonderland> i want to drag and drop php files on to var/www/ so i can access them through a web browser
[03:01] <bob2> wonderland: you can continue to argue with people who know far more about this than you do, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wasting time
[03:02] <nalioth> robert_pectol: then use "apt-cache search <pkgname-fragment-etc>"
[03:02] <bob2> wonderland: sudo chown $USER /var/www/
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: so use chown like it has been explained to you many times
[03:02] <indentp> DAC1138: I am using an MA521 with the rt8180 driver through driverloader and the card is picking up excellent signal strength
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> this is *NOT* a security risk
[03:02] <bob2> wonderland: if you're going to continue to be disruptive, perhaps it's better if you go
[03:02] <hondje> if you have to use a gui to move a couple files, are you sure running a webserver is really a good idea?
[03:02] <Davey> lmao
[03:02] <indentp> DAC1138: but still having trouble accessing the internet
[03:02] <hondje> sounds like a bigger security risk than chown, IMHO
[03:02] <chaps0063> hey bob2, I got apache/mysql and all that working as of yester...
[03:03] <chaps0063> yesterday...if I could spell.
[03:03] <chaps0063> thanks for your help.
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, ah, i had that same problem
[03:03] <wonderland> is there any other way? thats all im asking, like what the guide says, it says create a text file and enter that text the guide provides, thats what i need help on that bit of the guide
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, does anything show up in ifconfig?
[03:03] <wonderland> thats what i originally came for
[03:03] <pax> bob2: dude you have some patience. kudos
[03:03] <wonderland> the bit i copied and pasted
[03:03] <hondje> then do what the guide says
[03:03] <kbrooks> wonderland, dont read the guide
[03:03] <hondje> if that's really what you want
[03:03] <bob2> wonderland: no, ignore that, it's complicated and pointless
[03:03] <chaps0063> wonderland: its been told to you.
[03:03] <nalioth> wonderland: the ubuntuguide has been known to lead to total reinstallation of system
[03:03] <indentp> DAC, yes
[03:03] <bob2> wonderland: run "sudo chown $USER /var/www/"
[03:03] <kbrooks> nalioth, how?
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: running that single command fixes ALL of your problems
[03:03] <DAC1138> indentp, what does it say?
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> and is trivial to do
[03:04] <bob2> wonderland: whoever told you that adding an Alias was any more secure is an idiot
[03:04] <kbrooks> nalioth, other than backports
[03:04] <nalioth> kbrooks: i spoke on this earlier
[03:04] <DAC1138> indentp, you should see something like eth0 for your wired ethernet, and eth1 or wlan0 for wireless
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> the ubuntu guide should be a wiki
[03:04] <wonderland> ok
[03:04] <Bob_> hey, a friend of mine setup my wireless card and told me to use ifup and ifdown... I had to restart due to lock up and now there is no card! how do I get it back>
[03:04] <wonderland> im going to " CHOWN " it
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> wonderland: excellenty
[03:04] <kbrooks> wonderland, changes the owner of the directory
[03:05] <wonderland> but i bet my computer crashed becuase the amount of hackers trying to access my new linux computer
[03:05] <nickrud> lol
[03:05] <bob2> wonderland: plese stop being an idiot
[03:05] <DAC1138> indentp, i had the same problem in other distros. driver was installed, kde applet showed a network and signal strength, yet i couldnt get any information out of the network or internet
[03:05] <kbrooks> um
[03:05] <indentp> DAC, Link encap:local loopback inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS> Mask <IP_ADDRESS> inet6 addr ::1/128 Scope:host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436
[03:05] <bob2> wonderland: I don't know if you're trolling, or really clueless, but it's just annoying.
[03:05] <wonderland> what changes the owner of the directory what does that mean
[03:05] <indentp> iwconfig you mean?
[03:05] <kbrooks> wonderland, please do not clutter the channel
[03:05] <kbrooks> wonderland, chown
[03:05] <wonderland> kbrooks
[03:06] <thoreauputic> wonderland: please get a clue from ubotu 's URL below
[03:06] <funkyHat> wonderland, open a terminal, type "sudo chown *your username* /var/www"
[03:06] <Bob_> how do I mount my network card?
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www
[03:06] <thoreauputic> !hacker
[03:06] <ubotu> somebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[03:06] <wonderland> o is that what it stands for
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, currently, you cant write to /var/www
[03:06] <indentp> DAC, under iwconfig i see lo eth0 and wlan0
[03:06] <DAC1138> indentp, i mean what devices do you see? anything like eth1 or eth0? list all the eth# and wlan# you see
[03:06] <Bob_> I already ndiswrappered it--I think...
[03:06] <wonderland> sorry my user name is chris so how would the command look like
[03:06] <kbrooks> wonderland, REPLACE
[03:06] <DAC1138> indentp, alright, wlan0 is probably it then
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> sudo chown chris /var/www
[03:06] <wonderland> like this "sudo chown $chris /var/www/"
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> no,  no $
[03:06] <indentp> DAC, the correct essid is picked up and everything seems ok
[03:06] <kbrooks> no
[03:07] <bob2> the command I actually gave would work
[03:07] <DAC1138> indentp, try "dhclient wlan0"
[03:07] <indentp> DAC, but still can not ping anything
[03:07] <bob2> since your shell sets $USER
[03:07] <pax> wtf everyone in this channel got their troll detector off?
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:07] <kbrooks> bob2: From what I've read, he is a IDIOT
[03:07] <DAC1138> indentp, or "dhclient eth0"
[03:07] <rebort> hey... i could use some simple breezy help
[03:07] <wonderland> ok GUYS (is there any girls here by the way) im about to wack on the old CHOWN
[03:07] <chaps0063> kbrooks: I concur.
[03:07] <bob2> wonderland: enough
[03:08] <wonderland> every ones waiting
[03:08] <indentp> DAC, permision denied, let me try in root
[03:08] <DAC1138> about now im thinking linux isnt for you wonderland
[03:08] <hondje> yeah, he's trolling
[03:08] <nickrud> wonderland, if I may, http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html and http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html make good reading
[03:08] <DAC1138> ya know, its not for everybody
[03:08] <wonderland> whats trolling for f sake
[03:08] <Bob_> how do I mount my network card in hoary?
[03:08] <kbrooks> nickrud, NO!!!!!!
[03:08] <nickrud> no?
[03:08] <rebort> it's the /etc/X11/X is not executable issue... i'd rather hear from one reliable source about how to fix that instead of hearing many non-working and unofficial fixes
[03:08] <carrot> that is old
[03:08] <wonderland> o sware to god i really do need help
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> yes, we know
[03:08] <kbrooks> nickrud, Do not make him RTFM
[03:08] <wonderland> ive been on ununtu forums for a day now
[03:08] <wonderland> check out my post
[03:08] <rebort> can anyone give me an official answer?
[03:09] <wonderland> wait let me get the url
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, the forums are inaccurate
[03:09] <indentp> DAC you are my savior
[03:09] <nickrud> both are dated 2005, I check first
[03:09] <DAC1138> indentp, worked?
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, Honestly.
[03:09] <wonderland> ok just see what iv learn so far from the forums
[03:09] <bob2> rebort: that's a symlink, perhaps it's broken
[03:09] <indentp> somthing as simple as grabbing an IP address
[03:09] <kbrooks> wonderland, irrevelant
[03:09] <nalioth> rebort: breezy is not for everyday use atm
[03:09] <rebort> bob2: we share a name, and it is broken
[03:09] <nalioth> rebort: most of us in here do not use it for that reason
[03:09] <evader> Hi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail PLEASE.
[03:09] <wonderland> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=259573#post259573
[03:09] <DAC1138> indentp, well, i was frusturating as hell for me, and i still couldnt get mine fixed, and now that ubuntu has it working out of the box, i know what to do
[03:10] <rebort> nalioth: i know, i have suffered through much with breezy, and i was hoping to also suffer through this
[03:10] <bob2> rebort: it should point at /usr/bin/X or so, I'd assume
[03:10] <cafuego> indentp: Blah, I told you that 20 minutes ago :-P
[03:10] <DAC1138> indentp, i was about to throw my laptop on the wall and slam my head on my desk. glad i could save someone from the same troubles
[03:10] <bob2> rebort: surely the answer is in the bts?
[03:10] <indentp> DAC, so the command dhclient just hits the dhcp server on my router to request an IP address?
[03:10] <HrdwrBoB> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2004-11-10 09:30 /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/X11/Xorg
[03:10] <evader> Hi. How can I get Evolution to put a notification in the systray when I get mail .... ANYONE?
[03:10] <wonderland> o yeah by the way what does this mean "chmod 744"
[03:10] <bob2> hm
[03:10] <DAC1138> indentp, i guess, i was told to do that to switch to my eth0 wired network
[03:10] <bob2> wonderland: ignore it
[03:11] <cafuego> wonderland: read,write,execute by owner, read-only for anyone else.
[03:11] <nickrud> kbrooks, that is not rtfm, that is basic research
[03:11] <bob2> wonderland: if you don't understand an answer on the forum, follow up saying you don't understand it
[03:11] <indentp> DAC, will switching to my eth0 be difficult?
[03:11] <carrot> just a link..
[03:11] <DAC1138> indentp, because by default, ubuntu wants to use my wireless card for network access, which isnt always in, so i have to run that command everytime i want to use my wired net
[03:11] <Bob_> ah ha! I just had to wait a bit
[03:11] <Bob_> it works now!
[03:11] <rebort> there is not a /usr/bin/X11/Xorg, only a [...] /X
[03:11] <Bob_> thanks all :-p
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: even more than that; compulsory background knowledge
[03:11] <DAC1138> indentp, no, just run dhclient eth0 to switch back to wired
[03:11] <kbrooks> nickrud, SO?
[03:11] <indentp> DAc, ahhh... i see. I dont have to disable the wlan0?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> rebort: then link it to that
[03:11] <kbrooks> HrdwrBoB, this is irrevelant
[03:12] <DAC1138> indentp, nope
[03:12] <wonderland> have you had a look
[03:12] <nickrud> kbrooks, although I do take your point.
[03:12] <indentp> DAC, sweet. I love it when everything works simultaneaosly
[03:12] <kbrooks> nickrud, huh?
[03:12] <wonderland> do you bob2 and the others have some kind of blog so i can trust you becuase in common sense, id rather trust the forum then some chat on IRC
[03:12] <nickrud> kbrooks, about not shoving manuals at people, instead of helping
[03:12] <DAC1138> wonderland, you can trust google
[03:12] <kbrooks> wonderland, listen to me
[03:13] <bob2> wonderland: I'd trust IRC ahead of the forums
[03:13] <kbrooks> wonderland, forums suck.
[03:13] <kbrooks> End of story.
[03:13] <bob2> and having a blog just proves someone has too much time on their hands ;p
[03:13] <nalioth> wonderland: perhaps you should have lurked in here for weeks to see the quality of answers that are given
[03:13] <indentp> DAC, i am running a buggy rt8180 driver that i could only get to work under driverloader (which will cost me $20 after 30 days), do you have any experience with ndiswrapper?
[03:13] <bob2> cafuego: well, ok, good point
[03:13] <kbrooks> wonderland, you are still a troll.
[03:13] <wonderland> o well if you decide to hack me
[03:13] <tritium> bob2, heh, I agree ;)
[03:13] <pschulz01> Greetings. Anyone know if 'nvu' is available for  Ubuntu?  What's a decent way to point at them.
[03:17] <indentp> the need for "nick: question" format is gone
[03:18] <kbrooks> nickrud, i dont think so
[03:18] <kbrooks> not here anyways
[03:18] <kbrooks> nickrud, i would never ever .... *EVER* point a newbie to ubuntu at those 2 links.
[03:19] <kbrooks> nickrud, why do so when we can ALL help and the wiki exists?
[03:19] <indentp> DAC, what types of cards use the Atheros chipset?
[03:19] <MIK3MAN> which is the best kernal to install for ubuntu?? stability wise..??
[03:19] <kevin> question, how would I add say a button to xfce for say abiword?
[03:19] <rebort> linking /etc/X11/X to /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg works
[03:19] <DAC1138> indentp, i dont know. isnt atheros supported in the kernel? i was building a kernel todya and thought i saw atheros in there
[03:20] <JDahl> MIK3MAN, the one that's installed by default, I think
[03:20] <IIIEars> vulnerability discovered in zlib compression
[03:20] <indentp> DAC, im not sure... im trying to find out if madwifi will work with my card
[03:20] <DAC1138> MIK3MAN, i dont think ubuntu takes kindly to new kernels
[03:20] <rebort> but mouse keyboard and nv modules arent found
[03:20] <DAC1138> MIK3MAN, i just built the latest, and i cant get the thing to boot
[03:21] <thoreauputic> kevin: you can add lauchers to the panel through the config app - I'm in fluxbox and can't recall the exact name but it has a cross shaped icon IIRC
[03:21] <DAC1138> indentp, check your manuals or label on the card, it should have the chipset or model # on there
[03:21] <TheWarMachine> anyone know how to get sound working in realplayer>?
[03:21] <wonderland> u rock bob2
[03:21] <ablyss> anyone want to see a screenshot of my ubuntu?  http://www.epluribusunix.net/screenshots/07-17-05_21:18:48.jpeg  :)
[03:21] <MIK3MAN> JDahl: whats the difference from linux 386 and linux-image 386, and linux image 2.6?? they are all on the install cd
[03:21] <wonderland> everythings dandy
[03:21] <indentp> DAC, i think its a realtek, not sure though
[03:21] <DAC1138> indentp, google search for the model # and look for the chipset, then search google.com/linux for using that chipset in linux
[03:21] <Davey> ablyss: do you have a pr0n background?
[03:21] <wonderland> although one last proper question
[03:21] <kevin> hmmmmmmmmmmm ok, thanx anyways, I will wait for someone running xfce
[03:22] <Davey> ablyss: if not, I don't care :D
[03:22] <wonderland> why was the var/www/ folder locked in the first place
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: they are logical packages of the same thing
[03:22] <JDahl> DAC1138, if you must, you can build a kernel using Ubuntu defaults by copying the /boot/config file to the kernel source tree
[03:22] <Madpilot> pschulz01: your question sort of got lost. nvu is installable. watch the two posting's ubotu's about to make
[03:22] <Madpilot> !nvu
[03:22] <ubotu> I heard nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:22] <kevin> not trying tobr rude dude
[03:22] <MIK3MAN> HrdwrBoB: which should I choose??
[03:22] <Madpilot> !html
[03:22] <ubotu> [html]  HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. HTML editors available in Hoary include Bluefish & Screem, both installable through Synaptic. HTML can also be written in any text editor, as purists will be quick to tell you!
[03:22] <kbrooks> wonderland, because linux sucks.
[03:22] <Davey> ablyss: whats the second graph to the right of the CPU one?
[03:22] <nalioth> wonderland: anything outside of your home directory belongs to someone else, that is why it's "locked"
[03:22] <ablyss> Davey: CPU and memory
[03:22] <DAC1138> JDahl, thats what i did
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: any of them, they're effectively all the same
[03:22] <Davey> ah, didn't see that one
[03:22] <nalioth> pschulz01: i answered your question right after you asked it
[03:23] <wonderland> so now it belongs to every one now that i changed the previliges to everyone
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> MIK3MAN: choose linux-386
[03:23] <DAC1138> JDahl, and basically i only changed the acpi and the processor info, and the partition stuff
[03:23] <wonderland> now that i chown it
[03:23] <MIK3MAN> ok
[03:23] <DAC1138> JDahl, still wont boot
[03:23] <IIIEars> ubotu html is also "!NVU" html editor.
[03:23] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[03:23] <ablyss> Davey: hehe i dont watch pron :P
[03:23] <thoreauputic> wonderland: you changed it to belong to your user
[03:23] <TheWarMachine> ablyss what prog do you use as the dock>
[03:23] <indentp> DAC, thanks for daving me an increcible headache. now I must decide if I want to buy a new card or purchase driverloader
[03:23] <indentp> saving*
[03:23] <wonderland> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[03:23] <auk> !html
[03:23] <ablyss> TheWarMachine: gnome panel
[03:23] <wonderland> thoreauputic you are a star
[03:23] <thoreauputic> wonderland: unless you did something no-one advised
[03:23] <wonderland> what
[03:24] <wonderland> sudo chown chris /var/www
[03:24] <auk> !nvu
[03:24] <ubotu> hmm... nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:24] <wonderland> thats what i did
[03:24] <auk> !Nvu
[03:24] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallNVUHTMLEditor/ http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.""
[03:24] <IIIEars> auk - ubotu is chewing on the database update for html. - it takes a minute or two
[03:24] <wonderland> does that still mean its safe
[03:24] <wonderland> and no one of you lot can access it
[03:24] <kbrooks> wonderland, ummmm
[03:24] <kbrooks> wonderland,
[03:24] <wonderland> what kbrooks
[03:24] <kbrooks> !hack
[03:24] <ubotu> Wish i knew, kbrooks
[03:24] <auk> IIIEars: no--he messaged me
[03:24] <thoreauputic> wonderland: if you run ls -ld /var/www  you'll see that it  now belongs to chris
[03:24] <kbrooks> !hacking
[03:24] <ubotu> kbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:24] <nickrud> kbrooks, sorry had to step away for a sec. I don't think most of that is on the wiki, and it's also extremely relevant.
[03:25] <ablyss> BTW, i took the picture of the lilly from my backyard.. you guys like it?  I have about 6 more that make really awesome desktop wall paper
[03:25] <Madpilot> !hacker
[03:25] <ubotu> somebody said hacker was well, a misunderstood term: see http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
[03:25] <Madpilot> kbrooks: there you go...
[03:25] <auk> !cracker
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[03:25] <wonderland> why is kbrooks saying hacks for then
[03:25] <auk> !cracking
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: I don't know
[03:25] <auk> !crack
[03:25] <ubotu> auk: Are you smoking crack?
[03:25] <TheWarMachine> `ablyss tell me how you got/config it
[03:25] <auk> lol
[03:25] <kbrooks> wonderland, you misunderstand the term
[03:25] <Madpilot> wonderland: we're fooling around with ubotu. but ppl should be doing that thru /msg, really
[03:25] <thoreauputic> auk: ubotu doesn't have a factoid for that yet
[03:25] <IIIEars> be nice to the bot a slender database is a lot faster.
[03:25] <TheWarMachine> !insult
[03:25] <auk> his factiod now is good enough for me
[03:26] <aceidia> does anyone know of a good dvd player?
[03:26] <kbrooks> wonderland, go and read ESR's jargon database entry for hacker'
[03:26] <DAC1138> aceidia, ogle
[03:26] <aceidia> thx
[03:26] <wonderland> wheres that then
[03:26] <chaps0063> aceidia: I like xine-ui
[03:26] <DAC1138> aceidia, i suggested a bunch earlier, didnt oyu read?
[03:26] <tritium> aceidia, gxine is nice too
[03:26] <aceidia> can i get it off mulitiverse?
[03:26] <kbrooks> wonderland, at the link the bot posted
[03:26] <auk> check out the blender package
[03:26] <wonderland> oh yeah how about phpMyAdmin
[03:26] <auk> way bloated
[03:26] <wonderland> how do you install that
[03:26] <thoreauputic> wonderland: hacker is not a bad word - go read the URL and learn what it means
[03:26] <ablyss> TheWarMachine: well transparency is optional in the panel preferences.. svg icons are downloadable off synaptic gnome themes... there isn't too much to config about it
[03:26] <aceidia> i did but some aren;t working.. nad i closed the window
[03:27] <wonderland> ok whatevery. but how do you install phpMyAdmin
[03:27] <auk> wonderland: were you talking to me
[03:27] <auk> ?
[03:27] <DAC1138> aceidia, ah. ogle is in multiverse and so is gxine
[03:27] <wonderland> anyone
[03:27] <wonderland> i need help
[03:27] <kbrooks> wonderland, d/l, untar, cp, config, you're done
[03:27] <chaps0063> wonderland: do you have mysql installed?
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: stop being annoying
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: or you will be permanently removed
[03:27] <wonderland> yes
[03:27] <bob2> wonderland: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:27] <Madpilot> !lamp
[03:27] <ubotu> lamp is, like, Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[03:27] <DAC1138> wonderland, you arent the only person in the world you know, other people need help too
[03:27] <chaps0063> wonderland: http://www.phpmyadmin.net/home_page/
[03:27] <Madpilot> wonderland: see the link ubotu just posted...
[03:27] <ablyss> wow this chat is a rocking.. dont bother knocking :D
[03:27] <signbarn> What's a good p2p application for ubuntu?
[03:28] <indentp> haha
[03:28] <useruser> signbarn: mldonkey
[03:28] <kbrooks> Madpilot, are you the resident ubotu expert?
[03:28] <kbrooks> ;)
[03:28] <aceidia> thankxs
[03:28] <sizzam> i try to start mail-notification from a terminal and nothing happens, it just sits there.   what log files can i check to point me in the right direction?
[03:28] <nalioth> signbarn: depends on how you want to p2p
[03:28] <auk> ablyss: hahahahahaahahaha...
[03:28] <kbrooks> signbarn, amule
[03:28] <thoreauputic> wonderland: do what we all have to do sometimes: use google, read howtos, use http://google.com/linux...... etc etc
[03:28] <wonderland> thas what i been looking for
[03:28] <kbrooks> amule > *
[03:28] <wonderland> that lamp thingy, i been using it on windows
[03:28] <auk> signbarn: tinyP2P
[03:28] <auk> heh
[03:28] <signbarn> well i guess i'm just looking for a "large" user base
[03:28] <kbrooks> auk: uh.......
[03:28] <auk> wonderland: wtf?
[03:28] <Madpilot> kbrooks: no, but I"ve got nothing else to do right now... gotta be fast with the ! key... :)
[03:28] <nalioth> signbarn: gtk-gnutella
[03:29] <nalioth> signbarn: bittorrent
[03:29] <kbrooks> nalioth, amule ;)
[03:29] <signbarn> :-)
[03:29] <plb> hey guys heres another metacity theme i did..thoughts?> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=26574
[03:29] <auk> wonderland: linux on windows?
[03:29] <kbrooks> auk: no
[03:29] <Evil> hello all
[03:29] <thoreauputic> wonderland: erm... the "l" in LAMP stands for what, do you think?
[03:29] <wonderland> Is there any GIRLS here
[03:29] <kbrooks> auk, think think
[03:29] <DAC1138> plb, shouldnt you be checking in #metacity?
[03:29] <bob2> wonderland: final warning
[03:29] <DAC1138> wonderland, yes
[03:30] <identp> sweet
[03:30] <plb> DAC1138: i like it here better =P
[03:30] <Evil> can someone say me how to fix this bug : "error activating wkb configuration"
[03:30] <DAC1138> bob2, hes had enough warnings, i'd say boot him
[03:30] <wonderland> whos heard of WAMP, its for windows
[03:30] <wonderland> WAMP 5.4
[03:30] <bob2> wonderland: please stay on-topic
[03:30] <auk> pbl: what have you got in the way of gtk+ ?
[03:30] <kbrooks> wonderland, OT alert
[03:30] <wonderland> can bob2 stop bosing me about and picking on me
[03:30] <IIIEars> thorauputic - hehe
[03:30] <signbarn> pbl: that's a pretty slick theme. i like it
[03:30] <chaps0063> wonderland: bye.
[03:30] <DAC1138> to be honest, wonderland is the worst ive seen on any linux irc chat
[03:30] <nickrud> lol, wonderland bob2 is bos
[03:30] <bob2> I'lll un+q when I get to Sydney
[03:31] <chaps0063> bob2: when are you going there?
[03:31] <kbrooks> wonderland, bob2 is boss
[03:31] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: you're new here, aren't you ? *grin*
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, not really, ive been here ltos before
[03:31] <Madpilot> bob2: you're going to Sydney in about ten years, right? :)
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, ive never really been this active though
[03:31] <kbrooks> nalioth
[03:31] <bob2> chaps0063: about tne minutes ;)
[03:31] <kevin> I am going there by the time I die lol
[03:31] <DAC1138> thoreauputic, but im saying of all the linux chats ive been in, #linux, #suse, #slackware, #vector, ive been around
[03:31] <thoreauputic> DAC1138: it was a reference to a well known slashdot meme actually :)
[03:31] <chaps0063> bob2: hehe...I'd love to go.
[03:32] <auk> pbl: got any GTK+ mac-liek buttons, by any chance?
[03:32] <kbrooks> and unfair
[03:32] <chaps0063> kbrooks: he probably has no clue it even happened.
[03:32] <kbrooks> chaps0063, so?
[03:32] <DAC1138> tritium, yeah, i remember you, you were the one who told me about the linux headers needing to be installed
[03:32] <plb> auk: no but i can make some
[03:32] <nalioth> kbrooks
[03:32] <Madpilot> chaps0063: did wonderland have any clue to begin with?
[03:32] <tritium> DAC1138, cool :)
[03:32] <chaps0063> kbrooks: just pointing it out.
[03:32] <DAC1138> tritium, back when i had the kernel compiling problems like im having now
[03:32] <chaps0063> Madpilot: this is true.
[03:32] <tritium> still?
[03:33] <kbrooks> nalioth: is the +q fair? ;)
[03:33] <DAC1138> tritium, by the way, that headers tip was awsome, thanks. saved my butt on many other distros too
[03:33] <bob2> kbrooks: yes, irc is kinda inherently undemocratic
[03:33] <auk> pbl: i'm hacking a gtk/metacity theme to make it more what i want, but all the mac buttons i find are cheesy-looking
[03:33] <tritium> DAC1138, of course :)
[03:33] <bob2> kbrooks: I try very hard to not remove people just because they annoy me
[03:33] <IIIEars> Ubuntuans are a considerate bunch. - banning isn't done lightly
[03:33] <nalioth> kbrooks: bob2 did wonderland a favor. he allowed wonderland to stay to soak up all this wonderful knowledge, w/o disrupting the dispersal of said knowledge
[03:33] <plb> auk: google os x themes there are a few good sites out there
[03:33] <chaps0063> bob2: from what I witnessed, your patience is great.
[03:33] <kevin> uh hu
[03:34] <trinidad> HELP! How do i remove the stipple from detailed list view in konqueror when i browse my folders?
[03:34] <plb> brb
[03:34] <nickrud> lol, when I first started following this channel ...
[03:34] <chaps0063> bob2: he would've been gone after the first "is there any girls here" for two reason, one for being off topic, two for improper grammar.
[03:34] <teferi> man, I have had it up to here with not having any kind of new-mail notification from evolution. time to learn how to use dbus and write a notification-area thingy...
[03:34] <bob2> trinidad: #kubuntu or #kde might know more, but is there nothing in the options?
[03:34] <DAC1138> chaps0063, sexual harassment come in anywhere?
[03:34] <bob2> chaps0063: hah
[03:34] <nalioth> chaps0063: there are many non-native-english speakers in here.
[03:34] <tritium> teferi, I do believe it's being worked on
[03:35] <redtech> I dont want to use gnucash...  is there a package for quotations/invoicing ?
[03:35] <bob2> teferi: that would be awesome
[03:35] <teferi> tritium: there was one called em-panel-applet
[03:35] <teferi> but it didn't get updated after the big dbus api breakage
[03:35] <chaps0063> nalioth: understood, but his spelling was bad also....and if english was his second language then I would retract that statement.
[03:35] <nickrud> teferi, someone mentioned http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=402 , I haven't tried it yet
[03:35] <tritium> teferi, ah, I see.
[03:35] <IIIEars> in ubuntu "SWM" is a window manger - lol
[03:35] <nalioth> chaps0063: i look at attitude over anything else
[03:36] <teferi> nickrud: i'm skeptical as to how recent that is
[03:36] <teferi> nickrud: in particular, as of september 29, 2004, the evolution dbus plugin didn't even exisit yet
[03:36] <chaps0063> nalioth: well, I guess I judge based on spelling/grammar (at least online, and within emails) to see how the person's attitude might be.
[03:37] <nickrud> teferi, it uses filters, as I read it, so it's a hack, but it may work for now
[03:37] <teferi> bob2: i can't imagine it'd be very hard...if there's ruby bindings, i'll hack with that, otherwise i'll brush up on my python
[03:37] <Will_> 'is there any girls here', classic.
[03:37] <trinidad> bob2, nothing I can see
[03:37] <chaps0063> nalioth: I guess its because I'm a stickler about spelling, etc.
[03:37] <teferi> nickrud: but there's no reason to do it that way anymore, now that evolution puts messages on d-bus when mail comes in
[03:37] <nickrud> teferi, when someone writes it, I'll send a donation.
[03:37] <auk> !scribus
[03:37] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, auk
[03:37] <teferi> nickrud: hey, i'm working on it now :P
[03:37] <auk> !info scribus
[03:37] <chaps0063> bob2: is it possible Channel Topic we could append "is there any girls here"?
[03:37] <ubotu> scribus: (free software desktop page layout program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4414 kB, Installed size: 13080 kB
[03:38] <tritium> teferi, awesome!
[03:38] <nalioth> nickrud: want my pp info?
[03:38] <teferi> foo, no dbus ruby bindings
[03:38] <teferi> time to relearn python :/
[03:38] <nickrud> nalioth, sure
[03:38] <nickrud> whatever pp is ;P
[03:38] <IIIEars> SpreadFirefox site was hacked (PHP/Drupal) - wow
[03:38] <teferi> what do you expect from php?
[03:38] <nalioth> nickrud: since you're passing out $
[03:38] <nickrud> oh, paypal, duh
[03:39] <nickrud> nalioth, give it to me in person
[03:39] <julz> Hi. Can Ubuntu run fine on an *External USB Hard Drive* and still use other  USB devices easily?
[03:39] <bob2> julz: except that your bios probably can't boot it, yes
[03:39] <auk> IIIEars: yeah, taht's what i thought
[03:39] <bob2> chaps0063: hah, the answer is "yes"
[03:39] <teferi> grr, i saw a dbus tutorial on planet gnome just yesterday
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: most modern bioses can, but ..
[03:40] <chaps0063> bob2: yes!
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> I don't know why you would do that
[03:40] <nickrud> teferi, that is the one thing that I truly want, so I was serious :)
[03:40] <sizzam> i can't get mail-notification to start, any suggestions on where to start troubleshooting?
[03:40] <julz> bob2: it can. i just heard that with usb, adding another device can cause the drive to unmount
[03:40] <auk> bob2: why probably can't boot it?
[03:40] <teferi> THERE
[03:40] <teferi> found it...
[03:41] <teferi> great, now to figure out how to make a notification area icon show up
[03:41] <auk> most computers can...
[03:41] <julz> so no usb problems?
[03:41] <tritium> sizzam, did you go to System->Preferences->Mail Notification and configure it after adding the applet?
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> julz: it's just a bad idea in general
[03:41] <julz> how come?
[03:42] <auk> julz: is it for a live distro
[03:42] <auk> ?
[03:42] <auk> or something?
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> because USB is slow and not generally reliable
[03:42] <bob2> auk: I guess I'm out of date
[03:42] <sizzam> tritium:  thanks.  do you know where the actual file is that holds those settings in case i need to wipe it
[03:42] <bob2> julz: I'd be pretty surprised if it managed to unmount /
[03:42] <bob2> ?win29
[03:42] <auk> linux-live.or
[03:42] <julz> i would use usb cos my main drive is for windows and i cant change it (families)
[03:42] <sizzam> tritium:  i dont see anything obviously labeled in /home/<user>
[03:42] <auk> g
[03:43] <tritium> sizzam, under ~/.gconf/apps/mail-notification, but I don't think you want to be editing that by hand
[03:43] <auk> julz: for a desktop distro, you would be much better partitioning
[03:44] <sizzam> tritium:  thanks again
[03:44] <tritium> sizzam, no problem
[03:44] <julz> auk: but it would still work ok on usb
[03:44] <teferi> geh, that's not good...
[03:45] <nickrud> teferi, and if I can make a feature request: per folder notification ;)
[03:45] <teferi> nickrud: doable, but not right now
[03:45] <nickrud> first things first, I guess
[03:45] <teferi> yeah
[03:45] <teferi>  the dbus signal says what folder the mail is in, so it's just a matter of parsing
[03:46] <JDahl> julz, I tried to boot both Debian and Ubuntu from a USB harddrive about a year ago, but I could never get it to work... Installation went smoothly, but the boot process stopped halfway through
[03:46] <nickrud> there was a thing (flink?) that I used for a bit, but was just too darn hard to keep in sync, and was extremely buggy
[03:46] <IIIEars> Adding Ubuntu to a second spare disk seems to be the way to go as windows will fdisk your ubuntu in a heartbeat with a one of those frequently needed reinstalls.
[03:47] <DukGalNamu> i got a quick couple of questions, does ubuuntu have good wireless support for laptops?
[03:47] <julz> JDahl: what do you suggest then?
[03:47] <damneinstien> does anyone know if ubuntu has released the new patches for firefox and gaim?
[03:47] <tritium> damneinstien, not for firefox 1.0.5
[03:47] <damneinstien> for gaim?
[03:47] <tritium> damneinstien, don't believe so
[03:47] <JDahl> julz, I am suggesting anyway - just saying it didnt work for me - and I put alot of effort
[03:48] <teferi> how the hell is dpkg running out of memory?!
[03:48] <JDahl> into it
[03:48] <damneinstien> DukGalNamu, great support for laptops. personally running centrino
[03:48] <tritium> DukGalNamu, it depends on the chipset
[03:48] <tritium> DukGalNamu, for example, Airport Extreme on Apple laptops is not supported
[03:48] <JDahl> julz, erm... I am not suggesting anything
[03:48] <julz> but how did u solve ur problem?
[03:49] <JDahl> julz, I didnt
[03:49] <IIIEars> tritium - no wrappers for aiport extreme?
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> tritium: but a basic PC laptop should be supported..
[03:49] <IIIEars> eye stile canned spell
[03:49] <tritium> IIIEars, no
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> ok then does ubuntu have any remote testing software for systems?
[03:49] <DukGalNamu> mmmm i love canned spell....
[03:49] <tritium> DukGalNamu, in general
[03:49] <JDahl> julz, at that time there was something wrong the Sarge's stock initrd, I dont know if it's fixed now
[03:50] <tritium> bob2, how long will you be down under?
[03:50] <teferi> noooo, session-saver didn't...
[03:50] <sizzam> anyone use nzb files for newsgroups?
[03:50] <DukGalNamu> tell me if that was not clear enough
[03:50] <julz> JDahl: so it may work?
[03:51] <JDahl> julz, there's only one way to find out ;)
[03:52] <DukGalNamu> ok let me try again, is there any type of remotes system diagnostic tools for ubuntu (for diagnosing computers that i were to connect to the ubuntu machine)
[03:52] <julz> no way! i just wiped my other hard drive.
[03:53] <DukGalNamu> julz: was it ext2?
[03:53] <tritium> DukGalNamu, you can always setup a ssh server on the ubuntu machine
[03:54] <julz> windows. i used partition magic to resize the ntfs so i could install linux, now i want an external so i dont destroy it again
[03:54] <DukGalNamu> tritium: what i want is to be able to hook the ubuntu machine up to a not to good working machine and diagnose any problems it ay be having...
[03:55] <tritium> DukGalNamu, I'm not aware of anything like that
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> hmm.....
[03:55] <DukGalNamu> sad
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> tritium: but i could use it to diagnose a problem with a network right?
[03:56] <tritium> DukGalNamu, yes
[03:56] <DukGalNamu> tritium: at least i could do that much :P
[03:57] <DukGalNamu> tritium: do you know of any other utalitarian uses of an ubuntu laptop?
[03:57] <tritium> DukGalNamu, I could hardly enumerate them all ;)
[03:57] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: use the LiveCD
[03:57] <levander> Anybody has a link to that wiki where they're talking about what they're going to do in Ubuntu for Breezy? I'm working on a backup strategy and think I remember them standardizing on a backup tool for Breezy in there.
[03:58] <MIK3MAN> I just installed ubuntu and my X will not start up... can someone try and help me here
[03:58] <MIK3MAN> I am going to reboot
[03:58] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no need to reboot
[03:58] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: but that doesn't accomplish what i need, and that is a complete, standalone point where i can access anything i need about another computer
[03:58] <tritium> MIK3MAN, which video chipset?
[03:59] <MIK3MAN> ati rage pro
[03:59] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: what OS is on the other computer?
[03:59] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> MIK3MAN: make sure your mouse is plugged in and that you plugged both your mouse and keyboard in BEFORE you started up
[03:59] <MIK3MAN> tritium: not yet, but I will
[03:59] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: most likely it will be a winbloze
[03:59] <chaps0063> what is a good application to remote desktop to windows machines besides rdesktop?
[04:00] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I'm not sure you want to.  I don't know if Rage Pro is supported with fglrx.  That's why I'm asking.
[04:00] <kjon> I need help compiling gnomebaker 0.4. Anybody can help me???
[04:00] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: so what do you want to know about the 'not-so-good" system?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> kjon: gnomebaker is in ubuntu
[04:00] <thoreauputic> kjon: you don't need to compile it
[04:00] <kjon> thoreauputic: Have you seen the features of gnomebaker 0.4???
[04:00] <bimberi> chaps0063: vnc
[04:00] <nalioth> tritium: the VESA driver will operate his video successfully
[04:01] <tritium> nalioth, thank you...
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: basically, check hard drive, irg problems, mobo problems, etc
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: *irq
[04:01] <thoreauputic> kjon: ah my  bad - I didn't read the version number, sorry
[04:01] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: the LiveCd will do that, as will the new knoppix
[04:01] <nickrud> levander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[04:01] <teferi> yay, completely undocumented stuff...
[04:01] <chaps0063> bimberi: vncserver or xvncviewer
[04:01] <flodine> can someone tell me way i cant use gaim 1.4
[04:01] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: but i can't do it from another computer remotly?
[04:01] <teferi> the state of the gnome docs is a tragedy
[04:01] <MIK3MAN> tritium: hmmm, another problem wiki points me to apt-get, but I have to configure my wireless still... grrrr
[04:02] <levander> nickrud: thanks
[04:02] <kjon> gnomebaker is quite cool. But, the "./configure" shows me an error about a "vorbisfile.pc" file...
[04:02] <bimberi> chaps0063: vncserver on the m/c you want to control, viewer on the controlling m/c
[04:02] <kjon> I heard that those files are related to pkg-config. But, I don't know how to get that damned file.
[04:02] <nickrud> google to the rescue :)
[04:02] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: windows is not a "network operating system" for one, and two if it's not working well, adding extra connectivity features to it isnt gonna help
[04:02] <tritium> MIK3MAN, please don't follow that wiki page.  Rage Pro is not supported by fglrx.  nalioth pointed out that you likely want the VESA driver
[04:02] <teferi> i've been googling for half an hour now
[04:02] <thoreauputic> !find vorbisfile.pc
[04:03] <teferi> i may just have to dig through the source, which we all know is the /best/ way of learning a new language and new api
[04:03] <nickrud> ah, but I knew it existed :)
[04:03] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'vorbisfile.pc' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/vorbisfile.pc) in libdevel/libvorbis-dev.
[04:03] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: what about remote burn in?
[04:03] <kjon> thoreauputic: Didn't work. Even if I tried to install some vorbis-devel packages...
[04:03] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: you need "the ultimate boot cd" it has burnin capability
[04:03] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok, so just get the proper driver?? I dont understand why this happened, I used the live cd for 2 days and it detected the proper driver
[04:03] <tritium> kjon, you installed libvorbis-dev?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> kjon: I think ubotu just gave ab abswer though...
[04:04] <sizzam> grrrrrr, i can't get firefox to start
[04:04] <redtech> anyone know of a simple,small quotation/invoice program?
[04:04] <kjon> I tried with apt, but I couldn't find anything...
[04:04] <thoreauputic> *an answer
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: so ultimate boot cd and new knoppix...
[04:04] <tritium> MIK3MAN, the installer should have.  Can we please see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf?  Please paste it on pastebin
[04:04] <MIK3MAN> rage pro is very popular chipset
[04:04] <sizzam> i see 'starting firefox' in my window list, and then it disappears
[04:04] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: what if i am faced with a client... with no cd or disk access..?
[04:04] <kjon> So? what should I do? make a few prays and give my life to apt?
[04:04] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I am on a separate machine, winblows xp
[04:04] <snackalot> Anbody know y package manager wont open when i have wine running
[04:05] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay
[04:05] <IIIEars> there is a "Free iso burner powertoy" available for windows written by alex feinmann
[04:05] <teferi> eternal love to someone who can help me figure out how to do a notification area icon in python...
[04:05] <thoreauputic> kjon: install libvorbis-dev  ?
[04:05] <DukGalNamu> or a bootleg alcohol
[04:05] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: go and check out the featureset on "tubcd" and you may not need knoppix or ubuntu-live
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: tubcd....
[04:06] <IIIEars> alcohol 120% is terrific
[04:06] <caonex> what are you suppose to do when hal is not running? How can one restart it?
[04:06] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: The Ultimate Boot CD
[04:06] <nalioth> DukGalNamu: typing out the same thing all the time leads to stress
[04:06] <nickrud> 120% O-0
[04:06] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: hehe, i see...
[04:07] <enum> hi.. I jjust completed an install of ubuntu, and xmms will "play" with alsa enabled, but no sound.. I get system sounds, and such.. Any ideas?
[04:07] <IIIEars> Faxes nalioth two aspirin and a cold pepsi
[04:07] <kjon> Reading package lists... Done
[04:07] <kjon> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:07] <kjon> E: Couldn't find package libvorbis-dev
[04:07] <nickrud> enum, you need to set xmms to use esd
[04:07] <DukGalNamu> enum: turn up the volume?
[04:07] <enum> nickrud, why ESD?
[04:07] <cwillu> if I say uqm, does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
[04:07] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: on your video, log in and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and when you get to the driver section, choose VESA (make sure you choose the rez options you want, also)
[04:07] <bob2> tritium: hah, I live here
[04:08] <damneinstien> enum, thats a problem with ubuntu not accepting sounds from more than 1 source
[04:08] <tritium> bob2, oh, didn't realize that.  Sorry :)
[04:08] <nickrud> enum, that's the sound server for gnome, and see damneinstien
[04:08] <gyaresu_> bob2, what time zone are you in?
[04:08] <kjon> damneinstien: I had the same trouble! - I fixed installing the alsa libraries!
[04:08] <enum> hmm.. changed it in xmms, and still no sound
[04:08] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: thanks, gimme a min
[04:09] <bob2> gyaresu_: +10
[04:09] <kjon> enum: With the multimedia selector, pick alsa instead osd!
[04:09] <damneinstien> i followed a guide on ubuntuforums
[04:09] <damneinstien> im trying to find it for enum
[04:09] <nickrud> !sound
[04:09] <ubotu> well, sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:09] <cwillu> suppose I'm safe bringing libc6 up to 2.3.2.ds1-21 from 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu?
[04:09] <gyaresu_> bob2, same. figures.
[04:09] <kjon> !libvorbis-dev
[04:09] <ubotu> kjon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:09] <kevin> now I remember why I quit using windblows, it eats the CPU baddddddddddd
[04:09] <snackalot> i cant get xmm to work at all thought i had all drivers in but dont no
[04:09] <nickrud> !sound
[04:09] <damneinstien> enum try: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[04:10] <kjon> !libvorbis
[04:10] <ubotu> I don't know, kjon
[04:10] <nalioth> kjon: you want !info libvorbis-dev
[04:10] <snackalot> yes
[04:10] <chaps0063> bimberi: so I have xvncviewer installed but I can't get to my windows desktop.
[04:10] <cwillu> anybody?
[04:10] <snackalot> thanks
[04:10] <kjon> T-T I can't compile gnomebaker T-T :'(
[04:10] <cwillu> chaps0063:  you have a vnc server running on your windows machine?
[04:10] <nalioth> cwillu: i'd leave it alone. libc6 runs your box
[04:10] <Steve0>  Does anyone know how to keep movies' audio/video in sync in various Linux players? I'm trying to play a series of movies that play fine in Windows.
[04:10] <kjon> where is that damed libvorbis-devel (or dev) --- I can't find it anywhere!
[04:10] <nalioth> cwillu: and changing anything about it could kill the box
[04:10] <nickrud> kjon, good advice, if his card can do hardware mixing of multiple sound streams
[04:10] <cwillu> and my box does nothing importatn
[04:10] <chaps0063> cwillu: no, thats why I figured it wouldn't work...I was hoping to just use remote desktop.
[04:11] <snackalot> use search
[04:11] <bimberi> chaps0063: Hm - I may have misunderstood your Q - you will need to install vncserver on the remote m/c
[04:11] <cwillu> chaps0063:  download ultravnc for the windows box
[04:11] <tritium> kjon, main repo
[04:11] <cwillu> then you should be able to connect just fine
[04:11] <chaps0063> bimberi: ok...np
[04:11] <flodine> can i upgrade my gaim 1.4
[04:11] <chaps0063> cwillu: well not every machine I am going to use I have vnc installed on.
[04:11] <damneinstien> anyone know about directx 9.0 w/wine?
[04:11] <bimberi> chaps0063: apologies :)
[04:11] <kjon> ok, I'll try that... t-T
[04:11] <sizzam> i can't get firefox to start for my account.  it works for  a different account on this machine.  ive killed my .mozilla folder, still wont start, any suggestions?
[04:11] <cwillu> chaps0063:  what's the context?
[04:11] <flodine> hello help
[04:11] <gyaresu_> Steve0, i found the same prob last night.
[04:12] <cwillu> i.e., I've got a script to remote install vnc if you have admin
[04:12] <kjon> !info libvorbis-dev
[04:12] <chaps0063> cwillu: the network admin won't like that.
[04:12] <ubotu> libvorbis-dev: (The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB
[04:12] <gyaresu_> Steve0, no solution though.
[04:12] <cwillu> if it's 2k+, you can just use remote desktop
[04:12] <snackalot> can someone tell me how to install bin. file
[04:12] <chaps0063> cwillu: I can do that, but I was hoping for something with an interface similar to windows' remote desktop app