[00:03] <acheronuk> Depending on which terminal program you have installed, you can use one of
[00:04] <acheronuk> ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -p 10022 ubuntu@localhos
[00:04] <acheronuk> ubuntu@localhost's password: ????
[00:04] <acheronuk> any guesses ^^^
[00:04] <clivejo> no idea
[00:04] <acheronuk> to login to a testbed to have a look after a test failed
[00:05] <clivejo> ubuntu:ubuntu?
[00:06] <acheronuk> that worked. I tried that 1st, but maybe mistyped and assumed in was not it!
[00:09] <clivejo> it working?
[00:10] <acheronuk> yep
[00:11] <clivejo> yippeee
[00:11] <acheronuk> doesn't mean I fixed anything!
[00:11] <clivejo> early days
[00:11] <tsimonq2> ^
[00:12] <acheronuk> but might be able to get a more verbose error log
[00:12] <clivejo> Im looking forward to you fixing all failures!
[00:12] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I'm not back to do development stuff yet. :P
[00:12] <clivejo> I meant Rik
[00:13] <tsimonq2> *kid eyes* But I can too!
[00:13] <acheronuk> hehe. error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/23842795/
[00:14] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Have fun! XD
[00:17] <acheronuk> in the end acc gives that exit code not as a failure with ABI incompatibility, but as "Headers have been compiled with minor errors"
[00:18] <acheronuk> so *think* it may ok for override
[00:32] <clivejo> is there any way to feedback to upstream devels
[00:33] <clivejo> get them fixed properly
[00:34] <valorie> sure -- if it's a patch, phab
[00:34] <valorie> something else, IRC or ML
[00:35] <valorie> ben said the other day in #kde-sysadmin that all the projects are now in phab
[00:36] <valorie> for code reviews I think, not necessarily other fancy things
[00:37] <acheronuk> not even sure if that is a kde thing, a Qt issue, a compiler issue that may be neither, or what???
[00:38] <valorie> Qt issue -- when thiago is in #kde-devel, he knows all Qt, and is helpful
[00:38] <valorie> if rather short with his answers
[00:38] <valorie> he's a Qt devel, and legendary
[00:39] <acheronuk> well, getting the test to run and getting it to cough up a proper error log is goo for tonight :P
[00:40] <acheronuk> *good
[00:40] <clivejo> indeed
[00:40] <valorie> oh gosh, that makes me think of my cat's hairballs
[00:40] <valorie> good work indeed!
[00:42] <acheronuk> I looked back at some of logs to time of the old crew, and the few mentions I could find they often just disabled these damn things.
[00:43] <acheronuk> but I will feel better if I at least have a little go at investigating. even if it comes to naught
[00:44] <valorie> seems more awesome to be able to figure out how to fix, yeah
[00:44] <acheronuk> always
[00:45] <acheronuk> or at least understand the issue better if not
[10:26] <acheronuk> morning :)
[10:28] <acheronuk> clivejo: spot the the issue with tests fr okular KF5? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/okular/tree/debian/tests/testsuite.xsession?h=kubuntu_zesty_archive
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[11:51] <soee> !info purge-old-kernels
[11:56] <soee> !info byobu
[12:12] <acheronuk> ah. I see the main issue with okular I think. will test later and commit fix hopefully
[12:13] <acheronuk> for now, Sunday lunch :)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> gonna have a few joins and quits here while i track down which servers work on the konversation quick connect option
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ok , port 8001 on chat freenode.net no longer connects on konverstion, however, port 7070 with SASL and SSL connects successfully
[20:26]  * acheronuk yawns
[20:30] <clivejo> so where we up to?
[20:32] <acheronuk> just tinkering with tests today. have been mostly busy
[20:33] <acheronuk> okular is hopefully sorted, which is quite important to have, and hopefully able to go back on the iso
[20:50] <clivejo> been thinking about https://phabricator.kde.org/T5123
[20:51] <acheronuk> clivejo: can you retry the failing tests for gwenview?
[20:51] <blaze> let's pretend kdepim doesn't exist
[20:51] <blaze> :)
[20:52] <clivejo> not pretend, just give people the choice
[20:52] <acheronuk> lol, you know my opinion on PIM
[20:52] <acheronuk> I like akregator though. would not be without that
[20:53] <acheronuk> it does not use akonadi though
[20:53] <clivejo> just thought maybe we should consider not preinstalling it my default
[20:56] <acheronuk> much as I am not keen on it, I do think an an email client and calendar/reminder app should be part of the default install
[20:56] <acheronuk> and if we are KDE, that is kmail and korganiser
[21:01] <clivejo> I'm somewhere in the middle
[21:01] <clivejo> I use it, but can see both sides
[21:01] <clivejo> it is a rather big resource hog
[21:02] <clivejo> makes me think IE being intregated into Windoze
[21:03]  * blaze is thinking about what would it take to make a qt gui to sylpheed
[21:03] <blaze> it has a separate library libsylph so...
[21:03] <clivejo> blaze is there a qt frontend for firewall?
[21:03] <blaze> dunno
[21:04] <acheronuk> what firewall?
[21:05] <clivejo> ufw?
[21:06] <clivejo> be nice to have a kcm
[21:06] <acheronuk> I seem to recall someone looking at a KF5 update for the old KCM for that?
[21:08] <clivejo> https://cgit.kde.org/ufw-kde.git/log/
[21:09] <clivejo> dont think any work in a while
[21:10] <acheronuk> aha. from september http://paste.ubuntu.com/23848271/
[21:11] <clivejo> I dont even remember that!
[21:14] <acheronuk> my memory can be either stupidly good, or damn awful
[21:15] <acheronuk> often without rhyme or reason
[21:41] <valorie> I used to use sylpheed, before just using gmail full-time
[21:41] <valorie> tried tbird again too, but it's awful
[21:42] <tsimonq2> valorie: WHAT I LOVE THUNDERBIRD :O
[21:42] <valorie> horror show
[21:42] <tsimonq2> !
[21:42] <valorie> used claws mail for awhile too
[21:42] <valorie> and mutt
[21:42] <valorie> let's just stick with mutt
[21:42] <valorie> gah, I miss kmail
[21:42] <vip> /me too
[21:43] <tsimonq2> Best place to start out with packaging docs?
[21:44] <valorie> clivejo: have you set up the wiki yet?
[21:44]  * acheronuk curses at gpgme
[21:44] <valorie> tsimonq2: it was thought that the phab wiki would be a good place
[21:44] <clivejo> valorie: added a few pages, yes
[21:44] <valorie> at least to try that out
[21:44] <tsimonq2> HAH I CAUGHT IT http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1701.2/05343.html
[21:44] <valorie> cool
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Linux 4.10 rc 5
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Within 15 minutes of it being released! :D :D :D
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Anyways
[21:45] <tsimonq2> clivejo: Huh? O__O
[21:45] <tsimonq2> Link?
[21:46] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you could fix gpgme? that would be good....
[21:46]  * acheronuk runs
[21:46] <clivejo> https://phabricator.kde.org/project/profile/214/
[21:46] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Maybe if I had access to do so
[21:47] <tsimonq2> *runs*
[21:47] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: you have your ppas. and can dget the source
[21:47] <tsimonq2> But that's not our normal workflow :P
[21:47] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: doesn't need our stuff
[21:48] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: excuses excuses
[21:48] <tsimonq2> clivejo: kthx
[21:48] <acheronuk> :P
[21:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: You atarted it :P
[21:48] <tsimonq2> *started
[21:49] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: and I have given up for now
[21:49] <acheronuk> may come back to it at some point, but had enough for now
[21:50] <acheronuk> you never know, could be an easy fix that I haven't come across or fathomed
[21:51] <acheronuk> anyway.... only a suggestion. no worries
[21:51] <valorie> wat
[21:51] <valorie> there is chat built into phab
[21:51] <clivejo> there is indeed
[21:52] <acheronuk> Conpherence
[21:52] <valorie> not sure I see the use of it
[21:53] <valorie> but ok
[21:54] <clivejo> to talk about coding :)
[21:55] <clivejo> did you get phurl?
[21:56] <valorie> no, not yet
[21:58] <valorie> tsimonq2: https://phabricator.kde.org/w/kubuntu/
[21:59] <valorie> oooo, clivejo has already done a lot of work
 (little compared to what I want to do...)
[22:10] <valorie> tsimonq2: of course
[22:10] <valorie> great hopes there
[22:11] <acheronuk> Trying easy from autohinter: kdegraphics-mobipocket/4:16.12.1-0ubuntu1 okular/4:16.12.1-0ubuntu2
[22:11] <acheronuk> * amd64: baloo-dbg, baloo-utils, baloo4, kfilemetadata-dbg, libkfilemetadata-dev, libkfilemetadata4, libokular-perl, libsmokekde-dev, libsmokeokular3, okular-backend-odp, okular-backend-odt
[22:11] <acheronuk> some obsolete kde4 stuff there ^^^ ?
[22:14] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/zesty/perlkde ?
[22:16] <acheronuk> kde4 baloo http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/zesty/baloo
[22:16] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/zesty/kfilemetadata
[22:17] <acheronuk> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/zesty/smokekde
[22:31] <valorie> gosh, I was just updating some links about the seed for Intrepid, and Natty!


[01:33] <xubuntu497> i was wondering if someone could help me with something? I've only been using Xubuntu for a couple of months,... and i love it. Today i noticed that updates are available (18 in fact), but i click on "show updates", it tells me that software on this computer is up to date.
[01:44] <Unit193> xubuntu497: You could try to "reload sources" or whatever the GUI calls it.
[01:44] <Unit193> (Or, open terminal and type  sudo apt-get udpate && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  )
[01:55] <xubuntu497> Unit193: thanks for the suggestions. I opened a terminal and typed in what you suggested and that seemed to do it.
[01:56] <Unit193> That's how I do my updates, followed by  sudo apt-get autoremove --purge; sudo apt-get autoclean
[01:56] <XRS1> yeah the GUI updater is slower and less reliable
[01:56] <XRS1> but nice to have
[01:56] <xubuntu497> that's how i'll do mine from now on.. so much better.
[01:57] <Unit193> XRS1: I wouldn't know. :D
[01:58] <xubuntu497> what is the autoremove and autoclean commands for?
[01:59] <XRS1> gets rid of old leftovers
[01:59] <Unit193> autoremove removes packages that were automatically installed, and (shouldn't) be needed anymore.  autoclean removes debs from /var/cache/apt/ that are no longer on the update servers.
[01:59] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/apt-get
[02:00] <xubuntu497> ah. i'm new to all of this. So much to learn... but so interesting.
[02:03] <xubuntu497> Unit193: Thanks for the link. I'll keep that on hand
[02:03] <Unit193> You can read it on your system too,  man command-name  for  amnaual page on the command.
[02:04] <Unit193> !man
[02:05] <xubuntu497> nice, thanks
[02:07] <xubuntu497> i appreciate all the help and direction.   good night
[02:08] <Viva_Nero> my issue from earlier was never resolved, xubuntu quntal used to display a splash in boot and shutdown, but stopped for some reason, and I'd like the splash back
[02:10] <XRS1> more often than not, that boot splash doesnt work on most of the systems i've installed ubuntu upon
[02:11] <Viva_Nero> but is has worked before, and without me touching anything, stopped working
[02:11] <XRS1> which causes a lot of user confusion when using a CRT tube screen
[02:12] <Unit193> Viva_Nero: Any recent updates?  Text say anything?
[02:12] <Viva_Nero> nope, and nothing like error messages, just showing stuff loading or stopping
[02:13] <XRS1> well at least you get that. i just get a black screen
[02:14] <Viva_Nero> it says xubuntu on a black background, a few dots below that, then changing text\
[02:14] <Unit193> XRS1: You can edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet splash to get text.
[02:15] <XRS1> awesome
[02:15] <Unit193> Old knoppix days++
[02:15] <Viva_Nero> there is something happeng at boot, "scanning for btrfs file systems" (this is unrelated to the splash issue) slowing it down
[02:15] <Viva_Nero> I think a package is starting at boot that doesn't need to be
[02:16] <Unit193> "This package contains the default xubuntu-text theme used when no support for a graphical theme is found on your system." is when it kicks you over to plymouth-theme-xubuntu-text rather than the graphical one.
[02:16] <Unit193> There's a boot option to disable btrfs, iirc.
[02:20] <Viva_Nero> where would this setting be?
[02:21] <Viva_Nero> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[02:21] <Viva_Nero> hmm, quiet splash is on, according to /etc/default/grub
[02:53] <[[thufir]]1> on ubuntu, apt-get install xubuntu-desktop will pull in the rest of the packages?  that's the main package?
[02:53] <bazhang> the meta-package
[02:53] <bazhang> !meta-package
[02:54] <[[thufir]]1> good :)   unity seems to be causing me problems.
[02:54] <bazhang> its the same for all other desktops, lubuntu, kubuntu edubuntu ubuntustudio etc
[02:55] <Unit193> !purexubuntu | don't think it's  been updated, though.
[02:55] <bazhang> you could just install gnome-shell if you wish to stay in gnome
[02:55] <bazhang> !nounity
[02:55] <[[thufir]]1> thanks.
[02:56] <bazhang> np
[03:09] <[[thufir]]1> what's the command to run "xubuntu reset" if I have problems?
[03:10] <bazhang> !xfce-panels
[03:10] <bazhang> nope
[03:10] <bazhang> ubottu lag
[03:11] <[[thufir]]1> bazhang:  no, like when you can't click on windows properly.
[03:11] <[[thufir]]1> xfce4-reset?
[03:12] <bazhang> doubt there is such a one.
[03:13] <[[thufir]]1> hmm. I've had to enter it before, jsut can't recall.
[03:25] <crystalline> Anyone know a cpu monitor for xfce? I want to see temp and clock
[03:25] <Unit193> You can add a panel item for that.
[03:28] <crystalline> oh my god gnash plays youtube well enough that I don't need flash, when did it start working
[04:42] <crystalline> So I installed 13.10 and I'm disappointed... I've seen some "x has crashed" when closing things, but I've had no real problems beyond the volume not working(alsamixer works as usual)
[04:45] <Unit193> Yep, volume indicator is broken right now, and nm-applet randomly crashes.  It's not released yet.
[04:46] <crystalline> It seems pretty much done, not much to change really, xfce really is tiny and everything is an add-on
[04:47] <crystalline> the over 13.10's are still unusable
[04:47] <crystalline> the others* kde/lxde/gnome3
[04:54] <crystalline> hmm, thunar doesn't want to bookmark folders...
[06:32] <lody> hey my desktop resolution is normal, except everything is huge, it's as though i'm in HDPI mode on OSX! is there a way to make everything normal sized? (including even the mouse cursor) http://i.imgur.com/u5F0SxY.jpg yes it also looks like this on xubuntu session
[06:33] <lody> i did not install anything unusual, just nvidia-325, then lxde to see if the de was causing the weird hugeness
[06:41] <XRS1> what you got for Launcher -> Settings -> settings Manager -> Appearance -> Fonts?
[06:42] <XRS1> 96 DPI? Droid Mono 10 regular?
[07:18] <xubuntu473> hi
[07:18] <xubuntu473> my update icon is yellow, says there are 18 updates available (option is grayed out, I cannot click on it). When I click on Show updates, it says my computer is up to date
[07:18] <xubuntu473> what is going on?
[07:20] <Unit193> You could try to "reload sources" or whatever the GUI calls it.  (Or, open terminal and type  sudo apt-get udpate && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  )
[07:22] <xubuntu473> thanks Unit193. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade has gotten rid of it
[07:23] <Unit193> Kernels?
[07:23] <xubuntu473> the update message
[07:34] <foto> Hello everyone i have just tried the beta1 of Xubuntu 13.10 . I have found it really good but also i have found a program that imho does badly what is supposed to do, the ristretto image viewer. The image scaling (and i use my pc mostly for viewing photo) is worser than every other image viewer i have tried before, with the result is fully of jagginess! I haven't found an option to change the scaling method, anyway i have m
[07:34] <foto> ade a screenshot of the same image in ristretto ( http://goo.gl/5TUsTQ ) and eye of mate ( http://goo.gl/ro5kbg ). I have also found out on launchpad that i'm not the first to notice this problem.
[07:57] <Unit193> Bug #1055528
[13:08] <daniel_fr> Hi, i have a pb after fresh install full HD formated... : /dev/disk/by-uuid/8280A25C80A25687 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[13:09] <daniel_fr> black screen and this if I press esc on boot
[13:11] <cfhowlett> daniel_fr, ask in #ubuntu.  I'll be watching - should be interesting!
[13:18] <daniel_fr> I think should be a BIOS issue but :/
[15:02] <JimboPea> Hi, having a problem on xubuntu 13.04. have a rtl8188ce wireless card and the speeds are low with it dropping out often. tried installing the driver off the realtek website which just disabled it. had to reinstall to fix. Can anyone help?
[16:10] <aegis8> The software updater is bugging me that there are 12 updates for xubuntu, but when I click show updates, it says everything is up to date.
[20:17] <Malgorath> Hi I just installed xubuntu 13.04 and fully updated.  I was wondering if there is any way to stop having all the USB and other hard drive mounts from showing up on my desktop? Also i have 2 monitors and have dual monitor working but its showing [Home] [File System] and so on with both monitors(everything else is seperate).
[20:17] <elfy> settings manager - dsesktop - icons - default icons
[20:17] <Unit193> Malgorath: Yeppers, right click and check desktop settings.  Also, install arandr.
[20:18] <Malgorath> Unit193, what does arandr do?
[20:19] <Unit193> It'll make it easier for you to setup multi-monitor.
[20:19] <Unit193> It's in http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ for more information, I've only used it once.
[20:20] <Malgorath> Thx
[22:01] <anti>  hi guys i need help i set my display up with xrandr after reboot it just boots a black scxreen can some give me a fix for this
[22:39] <shadowgonecrazy> Hello everyone
[22:39] <shadowgonecrazy> could some one help me If Xubuntu fast for a crappy computer
[22:41] <well_laid_lawn> the applications you use have more of an impact than the linux distro you use
[22:41] <shadowgonecrazy>  alright Well will the specs of my computer help
[22:43] <well_laid_lawn> help with ?


[03:11] <ronnoc> well this might be one way to increase LoCo activity :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EmmaMarshall/posts/3CMARVPwN1g
[03:11] <jenni> [ Emma Marshall - Google+ - +Colorado Ubuntu Users Group geeks who drink tonight! Were… ] - https://j.mp/1pHsGcU
[07:17] <Unit193> Great, so samba works, but there is still a lot of weirdness going on here.  Can't browse a workgroup if one of them requires a password?  I don't know.  Different workgroups for all computers! :P
[07:20] <Unit193> Wait...


[15:54] <Jasem[m]> Help! It appears something changed in Launchpad armhf farms. I have CMake checks for armv6l and armv7l and aarch64 via CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR and none of the them are working now
[15:54] <Jasem[m]> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/363768459/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-armhf.libsbig_2.1.3~201804081003~ubuntu17.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:55] <Jasem[m]> This build log ends up copying a 32bit blob instead of an armv6 blob.. and it used to work before so something must have changed on the build farm itself, maybe recent upgrade changed something?
[15:56] <Jasem[m]> IF (CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR MATCHES "armv6l") does not work on Launchpad now
[19:49] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: When did it last build?  Have you tried diffing the build logs?
[19:50] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: It's much more likely to be a change in one of your build-dependencies.
[19:53] <cjwatson> Ah, or maybe not, hmm
[19:53] <cjwatson> -Kernel reported to sbuild: 4.4.0-101-generic #124-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 10 18:30:44 UTC 2017 armv7l
[19:53] <cjwatson> +Kernel reported to sbuild: 4.4.0-119-generic #143-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 2 16:10:02 UTC 2018 armv8l
[19:54] <cjwatson> Looks like we lost the compat-utsname patch for some reason?
[19:55] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: This is still a bug in your package - it must be conditionalising on uname somewhere and failing to handle armv8l (though conditionalising on uname is wrong anyway - you should override that in the packaging to conditionalise on DEB_HOST_ARCH)
[19:55] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: But it is apparently a regression at our end, since we intend to report armv7l to armhf builds rather than armv8l
[20:02] <Jasem[m]> cjwatson: it's "sorta" resolved now. It was reporting armv6l before and this check (CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR MATCHES "armv6l") used to pass fine
[20:02] <Jasem[m]> cjwatson: I changed it to MATHCES "armv+" for now
[20:03] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: No, it was reporting armv7l before.
[20:03] <cjwatson> Pretty certain of that, and you can see it in the diff fragment above.
[20:05] <Jasem[m]> cjwatson: At any rate, it seems to link just fine with an armv6l blob for now..
[20:06] <cjwatson> Jasem[m]: Right, but armv7l would be more correct.  Anyway, we'll get it fixed, thanks for the note