[08:26] <ArrenLex> cschauer: I hate to doubt you, but are you sure you have the right card? Please post the output of "lspci" and also "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver"
[08:26] <avagant> Yah see the turning the sound down thing still happens.
[08:26] <avagant> I think I'll stick to esd for xmms.
[08:26] <ArrenLex> Turning sound down thing?
[08:26] <ArrenLex> You do realise that esd is still using alsa in the end, right? x
[08:26] <avagant> turn down xmms sound, firefox sound goes too.
[08:26] <ArrenLex> D
[08:26] <Jei61X> I desperately need to get new drivers for my video card for a fresh install of ubuntu - is there some way to start in a safe-graphics mode, long enough for me to get download the new drivers?
[08:27] <ArrenLex> avagant: enable software mixer in XMMS.
[08:27] <avagant> Is that a plugin?
[08:27] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: will command line suit you?
[08:27] <ArrenLex> avagant: no! It's part of the alsa conf options in XMMS.
[08:27] <Draco> is there a way to make a LiveCD with some network/proxy configuration ?
[08:27] <Jei61X> ArrenLex: won't help me if I need to download the stuff from a website
[08:28] <avagant> See ya, now it says the "make sure you have a soundcard" crap.
[08:28] <ArrenLex> avagant: right-click on xmms, go preferences, change output plugin to ALSA, click configure, enable "use software volume control"
[08:28] <cschauer> VGA compatible controller : ATI technologies Inc  : Unknown device 7142
[08:28] <noiesmo> !easysource
[08:28] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:28] <ArrenLex> cschauer: that's your problem. Your sound card is not detected by the kernel. It's unsupported.
[08:28] <ArrenLex> cschauer: unless you're running a really old kernel, I would say for at least a few months to a year, that machine ain't running any Linux.
[08:29] <avagant> It says "make sure nothing else is blocking the soundcard"
[08:29] <ArrenLex> cschauer: is it a brand new video card?
[08:29] <avagant> but I did all the tricks with dsnoop and dmix and such.
[08:29] <Draco> is there a way to make a LiveCD with some network/proxy configuration ?
[08:29] <ArrenLex> avagant: and you're running a recent system?
[08:29] <cschauer> well It's a newer video card
[08:29] <avagant> Uh well the computer is kinda old.
[08:29] <cschauer> the version number on ubuntu is 5.10
[08:29] <cschauer> on the package
[08:29] <avagant> I have /.asoundrc and everything all configured.
[08:29] <ArrenLex> cschauer: firstly, upgrade to ubuntu dapper
[08:29] <avagant> I hate to tell you this but maybe I'd better stick to what I have before I pull my hair out.
[08:30] <ArrenLex> avagant: Okay, don't fix it if it ain't broken. xD
[08:30] <ArrenLex> cschauer: secondly, try the fglrx drivers from ATI.
[08:30] <avagant> Like I said before, I'm working on my 6th reinstall here.
[08:30] <ArrenLex> cschauer: to do that, apt-cache search fglrx and install all which looks relevant.
[08:31] <cschauer> alright
[08:31] <avagant> Augggghhh
[08:31] <avagant> I have a via82xx onboard soundcard if that makes any difference.
[08:31] <ArrenLex> cschauer: "all which looks relevant" = linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` and xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:32] <avagant> I heard I might as well just forget it with those.
[08:32] <Jei61X> hm...
[08:32] <Jei61X> If I had the video drivers on a seperate disk, for instance
[08:32] <shah02> is tehre any way i can use gnome dictionary offline?
[08:33] <avagant> I'm actually half considering finding a windows disc.
[08:33] <Jei61X> hm
[08:33] <avagant> Yah I know.
[08:33] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: what are you talking about? xD
[08:33] <Jei61X> OK, how do I start Ubuntu with just the CLI?
[08:33] <ArrenLex> avagant: what problem are you having, exactly?
[08:33] <avagant> You don't understand how frustrating this has been.
[08:33] <avagant> Everything! Haha
[08:34] <ruffles> this channel never sleeps lol
[08:34] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: if it can't boot the GUI, it'll fall back automatically. Alternatively, select "recovery mode" from the grub menu.
[08:34] <Jei61X> There are instructions on Nvidia's website for doing a CLI install
[08:34] <avagant> Actually that's really odd, gaim sounds played at the same time as firefox...hmmm.
[08:34] <Jei61X> oh, it's booting the GUI - just distorted all to hell
[08:34] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: the nvidia drivers are available from the ubuntu repos. Recommend you use those.
[08:34] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: then use the recovery mode option.
[08:34] <Jei61X> Elvis Naked Monkeys!
[08:34] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: does it work with the "nv" drivers?
[08:34] <Jei61X> Where do I find those?
[08:35] <ArrenLex> ....yes. Elvis Naked Monkeys indeed. o_o
[08:35] <Jei61X> "nv" drivers?
[08:35] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: "nv" is the open-source driver for nvidia cards which does not support 3D acceleration. Will it at least get you booted?
[08:35] <Jei61X> No idea, haven't tried it, booted from the LiveCD just now
[08:35] <avagant> Maybe it's just xmms.
[08:36] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: I suggest you install it before you go troubleshooting.
[08:36] <ArrenLex> avagant: can you be more explicit with your "Everything! Haha" comment? It's hard to troubleshoot, you know, "Everything".
[08:36] <ArrenLex> All at once, that is.
[08:36] <avagant> Haha.
[08:36] <Jei61X> Better question: where do I find the ubuntu repos?
[08:36] <ArrenLex> The dependencies are quite horiffic.
[08:36] <avagant> ArrenLex: Alright for starters, sound.
[08:37] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: they're... there. o_o when you use apt-get or synaptic, you're using the ubuntu package repositories.
[08:37] <ArrenLex> avagant: what about sound doesn't work?
[08:37] <avagant> ArrenLex: Well I still can't play more than one thing at a time in Alsa.
[08:37] <avagant> ArrenLex: Even though I have everything configured as such to do so.
[08:37] <ArrenLex> avagant: is your alsa up to date? Have you hacked the config files to hell?
[08:37] <avagant> How do I check if it's up to date?
[08:37] <Jei61X> OK, let me try actually booting from the system, might not have this issue...
[08:37] <Normal> when trying to upgrade to edgy, I get this:"Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"..
[08:38] <ArrenLex> avagant: mine played multiple sounds without touching the configs. Maybe you've actually DISABLED that feature?
[08:38] <avagant> I don't think I did.
[08:38] <ArrenLex> Normal: use a different mirror.
[08:38] <Normal> How do I go about doing that?
[08:38] <avagant> ArrenLex: How do I find out which version of Alsa I have, I got it from the repos.
[08:38] <ArrenLex> Normal: in /etc/apt/sources.list, replace "archive.canonical.com" with "archive.ubuntu.com", for example.
[08:39] <ArrenLex> avagant: will anything upgrade if you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
[08:39] <Normal> Okay, I'll try it
[08:39] <avagant> Let me try real quick.
[08:40] <avagant> It just asked me for root even though I put in sudo....hmm.
[08:40] <ArrenLex> Your system is weird, man. o_O
[08:40] <avagant> You're telling me!
[08:40] <ArrenLex> Keep in mind that sudo won't carry over &&.
[08:41] <Normal> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[08:41] <ArrenLex> You need to do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:41] <avagant> It just asks me if I want to install linux image and something else.
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant: i think the command is man alsa --verison
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> *version
[08:41] <avagant> no sir, didn't work. :(
[08:41] <ArrenLex> Normal: try this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main multiverse universe restricted
[08:41] <ArrenLex> Normal: try this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main multiverse universe restricted
[08:41] <ArrenLex> Sorry, second one.
[08:42] <dfgas> how do i fix?
[08:42] <dfgas> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:42] <dfgas>  vmware-player
[08:42] <dfgas> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:42] <dfgas> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[08:42] <dfgas> then it quits
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> !paste > dfgas
[08:42] <avagant> There's no man page on alsa either.
[08:43] <dfgas> k, but how do i fix?
[08:43] <ArrenLex> dfgas: that's all the errors it gives you?
[08:43] <Jei61X> Well, I feel foolish
[08:43] <dfgas> pretty much
[08:43] <Jei61X> Noi troubles with the video drivers at all
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> avagant: info alsa --version
[08:44] <ArrenLex> dfgas: what if you install the package manually? Go to /var/cache/apt/archives and run sudo dpkg -i vmware-player*.deb
[08:44] <Normal> ArrenLex: I think that did it, thank you!
[08:44] <Jei61X> My next mining expidition will be the default root password, though
[08:44] <ArrenLex> There is no info alsa.
[08:44] <avagant> 4.8
[08:44] <ArrenLex> Normal: I forget what I helped you with, but you're welcome! :D
[08:44] <ArrenLex> ...or maybe there is.
[08:44] <dfgas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26045/
[08:44] <ArrenLex> No, no there isn't. That's info's version.
[08:44] <Jei61X> Any thoughts?
[08:45] <ArrenLex> Jei: what's the problem again?
[08:45] <avagant> oh snap
[08:45] <Jei61X> This time - the default for the root password
[08:45] <Jei61X> *headdesk*
[08:45] <ArrenLex> dfgas: assuming you're installing the package as root, try "sudo mkdir /etc/vmware/"
[08:45] <Jei61X> Oh.
[08:45] <ArrenLex> And try installing it again.
[08:46] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: There is no root in ubuntu by default.
[08:46] <lupine_85> mcphail: any real reason for el pings?
[08:46] <ArrenLex> ...and bye?
[08:46] <ArrenLex> ...and hi.
[08:46] <noiesmo> !firestarter
[08:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line) or firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing)
[08:46] <Jei61X> wrong button, sorry ><
[08:46] <dfgas> ArrenLex, how bout removing?
[08:46] <avagant> what version of alsa is everyone else on?
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> 4.8
[08:47] <ArrenLex> dfgas: if you want to remove the package, try going to /var/cache/apt/archives and issuing sudo dpkg --purge vmware-player*.deb
[08:47] <Jei61X> I feel foolish once again :-)
[08:47] <ArrenLex> dfgas: I have no idea why I just said that.
[08:47] <ArrenLex> dfgas: from anywhere, issue apt-get remove --purge vmware-player
[08:48] <ArrenLex> dfgas: ignore previous idiotic instructions.
[08:48] <Jei61X> My account already has full access to everything - duhhhhh
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> !vmware
[08:48] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[08:48] <fyrestrtr> read that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[08:48] <ArrenLex> Jei61X: no it doesn't. You have to use sudo. If your account DOES have full access, that's very dangerous.
[08:49] <lupine_85> "can be" very dangerous ;)
[08:49] <Jei61X> Well, I have to use a password for the high-level system stuff, of course
[08:49] <ArrenLex> Yeah.
[08:49] <Jei61X> I'm still a-quiver over this computer not rebooting 4 or 5 times just from being on
[08:50] <Jei61X> I'm not at all sure why, but too much processing power seems to make Windows fill its diaper rather quickly
[08:51] <ArrenLex> You guys are more interesting than the 1818 edition of Frankenstein.
[08:51] <ArrenLex> Just observing, since that's what I'm taking a break from by being here.
[08:52] <ArrenLex> Jei: never heard of a machine which was too FAST for windows to handle. Where did you acquire this amazing creature?
[08:52] <Jei61X> GamePC.com
[08:52] <ArrenLex> And how fast?
[08:52] <Jei61X> twin Intel Xeons - 2.33 GHz each
[08:52] <ArrenLex> Fancy.
[08:53] <Jei61X> Well, since I had the dough, I figured - why not get the most processing power I could conceive of?
[08:54] <ArrenLex> 'cause you don't need it! :D
[08:54] <ArrenLex> Please tell me you're at least running folding@home on it and thereby contributing to society.
[08:54] <Jei61X> *blink*blink*
[08:55] <ArrenLex> So, has everyone else named their PCs also, or am I just weird?
[08:55] <harrism> even though I have 64 bit amd I can install ubuntu 32 bit right? I'm sick of not finding any games
[08:56] <Jei61X> I certainly did \
[08:56] <ArrenLex> harrism: of course you can.
[08:56] <harrism> great, so I can then install packages for i386?
[08:57] <ArrenLex> harrism: I don't know if you can just magically change architectures. I've never done it. I just know that it's POSSIBLE to run a 32-bit ubuntu on a 64-bit system, as Sam is 64-bit but this system sure isn't.
[08:58] <Jei61X> oh, that's what folding@home is LOL
[08:58] <Jei61X> cousin of SETI@home
[08:58] <ArrenLex> ....yyeah.
[08:59] <ArrenLex> Except SETI@home is a total waste of cycles.
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> seriously
[08:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm working on my own proteing project
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> it's insame
[09:01] <Jei61X> It is, at that
[09:01] <Jei61X> Now, what in creation is "ld"?
[09:01] <ArrenLex> man ld
[09:01] <Draco> is there a way to make a LiveCD with some network/proxy configuration ?
[09:01] <ArrenLex> It's a library linker.
[09:02] <ArrenLex> I don't think you need ld unless you're compiling.
[09:02] <Jei61X> aha
[09:02] <Jei61X> which it seems I am
[09:02] <Jei61X> the driver update uses ld
[09:04] <Draco> god i hate being ignored when i ask a question
[09:05] <Jei61X> Alright, BBL
[09:05] <rellis[home] > Draco: Then IRCp robably isn't a good choice of places ot hang out.
[09:05] <patbam> is dpkg compatible with apt-get?
[09:06] <KenSentMe> patbam: yes
[09:06] <Draco> rellis[home] , well it is supposed to be a support channel
[09:07] <KenSentMe> Draco: but you can't expect that people who know an answer to your question are online when you ask you question
[09:07] <Madpilot> Draco, no response generally means nobody knows an answer for you. You don't except 839 people to say "I don't know" to you, do you?
[09:07] <Draco> KenSentMe, relatively simple question id figure and there are over 800 people on, ive asked three questions with no response
[09:08] <patbam> i have some advice that says to install a tarball (python2.5, in my case), i should use checkinstall to create a .deb from my tarball, and then dpkg to install that
[09:08] <Draco> Madpilot, well at least that would be a response
[09:08] <Madpilot> Draco, no, 839 "I don't know"s would be spam
[09:08] <ArrenLex> Draco, your issue can be summed up by ubotu in one short factoid:
[09:08] <ArrenLex> !repeat
[09:08] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:08] <harisund> Draco: first, even though there are around 800 people, not all are necessarily online and next to the keyboard at this instance.
[09:09] <harisund> patbam: yes. You should create a .deb file and use dpkg .. then you can use apt to remove it. But what package are you installing from a source? (tarball?) and why?
[09:09] <aaron> My laptop only has Ubuntu on it now, whats the least painful way to add a windows partition running Windowsxp
[09:10] <aaron> does anyone have advice or links
[09:10] <ArrenLex> aaron: all ways will be painful because you will have to contrive to re-install grub.
[09:10] <patbam> harisund: python2.5, because it's not available in the repos yet
[09:11] <harisund> patbam: ah ok. Either way, prefix a 'checkinstall' to your final command in the installation sequence... you should have a nice .deb package (after answering a couple of questions of course0
[09:11] <Draco> ok heres a question, i am trying to copy a cd with K3b it copies a cd then halts with error unable to eject cd, I have seen an update or configuration change somewhere relating to ejecting cd's (i also cant eject cd by pressing the button)
[09:12] <cyberdream> Hello there, i need to print from Ubuntu LTS to a Canon 1120 printer which is a network printer on windows2003 server, any idea ??
[09:12] <patbam> harisund: i just used synapitc to install checkinstall; the post i found int he forum says: "To do that, you have to replace the  "make install" step with "check install" if you have the checkinstall package installed. " is that what you mean?
[09:12] <ArrenLex> cyberdream: what problems are you having?
[09:12] <harisund> patbam: hmmm not sure. I normally replace "make install" with "checkinstall make install"
[09:13] <Draco> sigh, no response
[09:13] <patbam> harisund: i should read teh checkinstall man page :)
[09:13] <patbam> thanks
[09:13] <harisund> patbam: oh ok. Just checked up some documentation. Apparently checkinstall does a make install by default.
[09:13] <minerale> foo: kinda
[09:13] <harisund> So you can simply do "sudo checkinstall" .. and it will work.
[09:13] <Squee> How do I make Ubuntu go into a text login by default?
[09:14] <harisund> Squee: you disable gdm from starting up. 'sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove'
[09:14] <avagant> What version of alsa is everyone else on? Just so I know.
[09:14] <ArrenLex> Squee: uninstall the display manager. apt-get remove gdm
[09:14] <ArrenLex> or kdm or xdm depending on what you have.
[09:14] <Squee> Um... What if i want to go back to gdm later?  Do i have to keep uninstalling GDM and reinstalling it?
[09:15] <Asymmetry> ArrenLex, removing GDM is kind of permanent.
[09:15] <Asymmetry> Or, drastic.
[09:15] <ArrenLex> Asymmetry: isn't that what he wants?
[09:15] <patbam> harisund: ah, i see. since checkinstall is in the repos it's probably got the defaults configured correctly... famous last words ;)
[09:15] <Asymmetry> Squee, removing GDM from the startup set is a better idea. Go with harisund's idea.
[09:15] <ArrenLex> Squee: do you want to boot to Linux in text mode ONCE?
[09:15] <ArrenLex> Because if so, just select "recovery mode" from grub.
[09:15] <cyberdream> can any one help me in printing from Ubuntu ????
[09:16] <harisund> Squee: GDm is what gives you a graphic screen. If you stop gdm from running, you still have gdm installed on your hard disk (which means you can set it to start on boot up again later). If you remove gdm, you will have to manually install it again if you want it to appear on startup again.
[09:16] <Squee> ArrenLex:  I'm running a lan server, and I dont need X running through any of it so i want it disabled to save ram.  But when Its over the computer will be for mythtv
[09:16] <ArrenLex> cyberdream: what problem?
[09:16] <cyberdream> ArrenLex: Hello there, i need to print from Ubuntu LTS to a Canon 1120 printer which is a network printer on windows2003 server, any idea ??
[09:16] <aaron> Does anyone know if there is a "Howto" page if you want to add a WinXP boot to Ubuntu system
[09:16] <ArrenLex> Squee: feel free to uninstall or disable gdm.
[09:16] <ArrenLex> cyberdream: any idea about WHAT?
[09:16] <cyberdream> any idea how to add this printer ??
[09:17] <ArrenLex> How to add this printer to cups? You will have to define it as a samba printer.
[09:17] <Squee> So if i take off gdm i can still 'startx' and it will work fine?
[09:17] <KenSentMe> cyberdream: you need to tell us what you've tried, what errors did you get etc.
[09:17] <harisund> Squee: that will work as well.
[09:17] <ArrenLex> Squee: yes.
[09:17] <Squee> ok cool thanks
[09:17] <cyberdream> KenSentMe: till now, i tried adding it from the GUI Gnome printer wizard. but didnt work
[09:17] <harisund> Draco: bad luck eh? I can sort of understand the frustration going through your mind at being ignored.. just happens... perhaps now is a bad time for your questions :)
[09:18] <ArrenLex> Draco: try googling or the forums.
[09:18] <harisund> ArrenLex: you are using Gaim? Do you know of any way to disable the "nick has joined" "nick has parted" "nick has quit" messages in Gaim IRC?
[09:19] <Draco> harisund, no such thing as a bad time when u urgently need a solution :) im on ubuntuforums atm looking about, frustrating though because the no-eject is a common thing on all my ubuntu installations
[09:19] <O2> Hello, every one!
[09:19] <O2> I am O2
[09:20] <ArrenLex> harisund: nope, don't know of one. Google?
[09:20] <O2> I want to do C++ programming in ubuntu, I know I need gcc or else?
[09:20] <ArrenLex> Hello, O2. I am the Lord Jesus Christ.
[09:20] <harisund> ArrenLex: nah .. I have tried.. no luck.
[09:20] <harisund> ArrenLex: lol ... O2 you will need the g++ compiler. Best way would be to install a package called 'build-essential' using the package manager of your choice..
[09:20] <O2> oh, g++
[09:21] <O2> I apt-cache search gcc, g++.      and found many results, I wonder which should I get?
[09:21] <harisund> O2: you will probably also need make (if you know what it is, good. else ignore it). Either way, it helps to install teh build-essential package since it also installs all standard development related packages nad libraries.
[09:21] <kalm> hello all, How do i change the permissions of files from console 0_0 so that they are user readable and fully editable?
[09:21] <ArrenLex> O2: install build-essential. That'll get everything.
[09:21] <melon> ok - i sort of already know the answer.. but figured i should ask anyway.. is it possible to run Gnome and KDE side by side and have the ability to switch from one to the other?
[09:21] <harisund> O2: apt-get install build-essential
[09:21] <kalm> i understand theres something to do with chmod
[09:21] <O2> Jesus ArrenLex, you are god!
[09:22] <kalm> but i dont know the commands
[09:22] <ArrenLex> Yes! :D
[09:22] <harisund> melon: you can indeed..
[09:22] <ArrenLex> Except it was suggested by someone else first. =P
[09:22] <melon> u can?
[09:22] <melon> nifty
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> kalm: 'man chmod', although depending on the file you may not want to do that, and in those cases use sudo.
[09:22] <O2> oh, thanks!
[09:22] <kalm> ok
[09:22] <kalm> thank you
[09:22] <harisund> kalm: do you own the file? And who all do you want it to be read by?
[09:22] <melon> i'm not one to get these things handed to me.. so i can just google this 'n find what i need yeah?
[09:23] <harisund> melon: KDE and Gnome can happily co-exist, and even run applications written for each other!
[09:23] <kalm> yes i own the file... its just i put the files on my home directory as root and theyre not accesible by me
[09:24] <harisund> kalm: then you need root permissions to modify it (sudo). You could do 'sudo chown kalm:kalm file_name" to make it your file again.
[09:24] <ArrenLex> harisund: I think (s)he's looking for the equivalent of "fast user switching" on Linux for DEs. Does this exist?
[09:24] <kalm> ok
[09:24] <kalm> thank you
[09:24] <melon> pretty much what i mean ArrenLex
[09:24] <melon> although - i'm beginning to think it's just unnecessary
[09:24] <harisund> ArrenLex: oh good point ... now that's a thought ... I only know of logging off and logging on .. perhaps you could run a Gnome session on vt7 and a KDE session on vt8 ... but I doubt that would be a very good idea..
[09:25] <harisund> melon: yeah .. it is .. you could pick a single window manager/desktop environment.. and customize it to suit your needs.. and then run all kinds of apps in it.
[09:26] <melon> yep - i honestly thought programs for KDE would only run in KDE and the same with Gnome
[09:26] <melon> <-- still very new at this
[09:26] <melon> but - you've already given me more than enough assistance
[09:26] <melon> thanks muchly :)
[09:26] <harisund> melon: programs for KDE need some libraries to display it. If you have those libraries installed, you can display them ..
[09:26] <ArrenLex> No, silly; programs for KDE use the QT toolkit, as does KDE itself. As long as you have the qt libraries installed, they'll run.
[09:26] <Flannel> melon: well, technically theyre not for either.  they just use KDEs graphic library, or gnomes (qt or gtk, respectively)
[09:26] <ArrenLex> And the same with gnome -- GTK.
[09:26] <harisund> pretty much what ArrenLex said. I didn't mention qt :)
[09:26] <melon> ok
[09:26] <ArrenLex> QT is life.
[09:27] <melon> well.. i'm learning..
[09:27] <harisund> Is QT GPLed now? (offtopic I know.. just curious)
[09:27] <ArrenLex> Of course. It's been GPLed for a very long time.
[09:28] <harisund> oh.. ok.. but I thought there some controversies with the QT toolkit (or was it for using on Windows?) and so the Gnome project was started to have a pure open source display library?
[09:28] <ArrenLex> Anyone else find it interesting that GTK is the "GIMP Tool Kit", which is the "GNU Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit", which is the "GNU'S Not Unix Image Maniuplation Program Tool Kit"?
[09:28] <DarkMageZ> ArrenLex, no, QT has not been gpled... it's gpl compatible
[09:28] <ArrenLex> So much meaning in so few letters..
[09:28] <harisund> DarkMageZ: ah ... ok .. cool.
[09:28] <harisund> ArrenLex: after all that, it's still recursive :D
[09:28] <Flannel> guys, take these conversation seeds to -offtopic ;)
[09:28] <ArrenLex> DarkMageZ: Lies! Hearken Wikipedia:
[09:29] <ArrenLex> License: GPL, Proprietary, QPL
[09:29] <O2> hurisund: thanks, I will try build-essential
[09:29] <harisund> O2 yes, it pretty much installs everything you will need.
[09:30] <O2> in fact, what do i need? could you list them?
[09:30] <harisund> O2: in case you need additional libraries, they will be named in the form lib<name><version>-<more info> .. such as libgtk2.0-dev and so on..
[09:30] <melon> thanks again people.. :)
[09:30] <harisund> O2 what sort of C++ programming are you intending to do?
[09:30] <DarkMageZ> ArrenLex, ah, k, they fixed the licencing in 2.2. but prior to that there were issues with the licence :P it wasn't gpl
[09:31] <O2> I want to know basic programming, not in gnome or kde
[09:31] <ArrenLex> DarkMageZ: yes, at first, QT wasn't gpl. But that's not been the case for a very long time.
[09:31] <O2> in command line mode
[09:31] <Ademan> i installed the libboost-doc package for ubuntu how do i get at those docs?
[09:31] <harisund> O2 then build-essential will be more than what you need.
[09:31] <Ademan> (devhelp doesnt see them)
[09:31] <Squee> man libboost?
[09:31] <Ademan> they're html files
[09:31] <Ademan> or thats what the package says
[09:31] <O2> then what do i need then? have a list?
[09:32] <pi> hi to everybody
[09:32] <ArrenLex> Ademan: use the command "dpkg -L libboost-doc" to see all the files that the package installed. Then you can just view them.
[09:32] <ArrenLex> Like with a browser.
[09:32] <ArrenLex> !hi
[09:32] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[09:32] <pi> I'm looking for activate XDMCP on my dapper
[09:32] <ArrenLex> Yay acronyms.
[09:32] <Flannel> pi: it's in the login screen setup
[09:32] <Ademan> ArrenLex: yuck, i shouldn't hafta do that... but whatever... devhelp can't view straight html can it?
[09:32] <pi> I must do: /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[09:33] <harisund> Flannel: is it still in teh login screen setup? The last time I checked it was in there.. and somebody here told me it was not there in the Dapper gdm-setup
[09:33] <pi> but the system tell me :command not found
[09:33] <avagant> ArrenLex: I just found out that my ./asoundrc was set to "default" and not my soundcard.
[09:33] <harisund> pi I don't think you need to?
[09:33] <pi> any idea?
[09:33] <ArrenLex> Ademan: I have no idea what devhelp is and what it can or cannot do. I'm suggesting a way for you to view these packages at all. If it doesn't suit you, please feel free to google.
[09:33] <Flannel> harisund: it is.  gdm setup is login screen setup
[09:33] <harisund> pi: you just need to restart gdm. Not inetd
[09:33] <pi> ok
[09:33] <ArrenLex> avagant: AHA! I told you that you messed your configs up.
[09:33] <pi> i try
[09:33] <patbam> harisund:  still around? sudo checkinstall seems to have failed me... well actually, it seems to ahve owrked, but the installation itself failed with a complaint of missing Tcl/Tk libs and "... _struct.so: no such file or directory"
[09:33] <avagant> ArrenLex: Well the sound worked before, but maybe this will help or something.
[09:34] <Ademan> by the way, there's no event or signal that gets sent out when certain bash commands are issued is there? (that you could trap and use)
[09:34] <harisund> patbam: ok . ... in that case, we need to ensure you have the necessary library to compile and install python-2.5 in the first place.
[09:34] <ArrenLex> Good luck.
[09:34] <ArrenLex> I have to go. Hope I could help someone!  Just execute 'sudo apt-get install build-essential' and in a while you will have everything you need to have to start g++ ..
[09:35] <O2> but i know it more than I need...
[09:36] <avagant> Ironically the sound works now on both with alsa. Haha
[09:36] <O2> in fact, I want to know exactly what I need for that
[09:36] <patbam> Ademan: no, should i go ahead and install it?
[09:36] <harisund> patbam: here's a suggestion. I think if you do something like apt-get build-dep python it might help
[09:36] <Ademan> i'd say its a good bet
[09:37] <Ademan> harisund: checkinstall is python?
[09:37] <harisund> Ademan: I don't know. Why?
[09:37] <ScreaminIke> how do i change my windows networking workgroup? by default, it's "workgroup" but i want it to be "lan"...
[09:37] <harisund> ScreaminIke: in ubuntu using Samba you mean?
[09:37] <Ademan> then why would installing the python package help? (except of course it DOES depend on tcl...)
[09:37] <harisund> ScreaminIke: edit the required line in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:37] <harisund> Ademan: no no... apt-get build-dep python installs all the necessary packages to compile python 2.4.
[09:38] <Flannel> O2: you need 90% of build-essential, the only thing you won't need is dpkg-dev, but you might as well just grab the whole thing.  that last package is 159kb
[09:38] <Draco> hooray, I found at least one solution so far, so for anyone thats having the annoying problem of eject button not working: sudo sysctl dev.cdrom.lock=0 and to make it permanent sudo sh -c 'echo "dev.cdrom.lock=0" >> /etc/sysctl.conf' (i haven rebooted to test the permanent part but eject now works)
[09:38] <ScreaminIke> thx, harisund
[09:38] <Ademan> harisund: you're right, i thought you said apt-get install, i always assume install lol
[09:38] <Ademan> but still, why would that be desirable?
[09:38] <harisund> Ademan: this- Right now, tcl is missing, so you install that. Then you try again, and this time something else is missing. You then install that.
[09:39] <ivx> hey what ftp software do you guys use?
[09:39] <patbam> searching for "build-dep" in synaptic didn't trun up anything
[09:39] <harisund> Ademan: but if you execute the build-dep everything you need to compile and build python2.4 from source is pulled. In most cases, python2.5 (the one that patbam wants) will have the same requirements.
[09:39] <harisund> patbam: build-dep is not a package.
[09:39] <KenSentMe> ivx: nautilus
[09:39] <Flannel> patbam: build-dep isn't a package, it's an argument
[09:39] <patbam> ah i see
[09:39] <patbam> no wonder it didn't show up in synaptic :)
[09:40] <harisund> patbam: either way, install your tcl package and try the checkinstall again
[09:40] <patbam> okay :)
[09:40] <Ademan> harisund: wait i just thought he was trying to get checkinstall... or was that so that he could get the latest version of python?
[09:40] <ivx> kensentme i mean for your server side
[09:40] <harisund> Ademan: he wants to use checkinstall to install the latest python2.5
[09:40] <KenSentMe> ivx: proftpd then
[09:40] <harisund> Ademan: so that he gets a .deb file that integrates nicely with the package management system.
[09:40] <Ademan> harisund: OOOHHHHHHHH, it all makes sense now
[09:40] <Ademan> yeah i know checkinstall well
[09:40] <Ademan> better than installing from source
[09:41] <ivx> kensentme: is that a real populare gpl one?
[09:41] <patbam> ugh, i was mistaken before; tcl8.4 *IS* installed
[09:41] <KenSentMe> ivx: well, i think it's pretty popular. I used this tutorial to install it: http://howtoforge.com/proftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting
[09:42] <O2> thanks Flannel
[09:42] <Ademan> patbam: well harisundis right, i misunderstood your goal
[09:42] <patbam> Ademan: so i should go ahead and try "apt-get build-dep python" ?
[09:42] <patbam> Ademan: er,  "sudo apt-get build-dep python" ?
[09:42] <harisund> patbam: I am trying it out. Give me a mintue (or go ahead adn try it)..
[09:42] <Ademan> you probably need tcl8.4-dev anyways, but i agree with harishund now
[09:42] <Ademan> yes
[09:42] <patbam> harisund: okay, thanks a lot
[09:43] <patbam> Ademan:  well i could just go ahead and install the dev thing, huh? probably wouldn't cause any problem
[09:43] <harisund> patbam: can you give me the URL from where you downloaded python2.5? I will try installing it on my machne now.
[09:43] <ivx> kensentme yeah that was the last question. thanks man
[09:43] <patbam> harisund: http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.5/Python-2.5.tar.bz2
[09:43] <KenSentMe> ivx: no problem
[09:43] <harisund> patbam: ok .. let me also try simultaneously..
[09:44] <harisund> no reason why I shouldn't have 2.5 on my system ;)
[09:44] <deadly_venom> When is Ubuntu Edgy Eft coming out ?
[09:44] <KenSentMe> deadly_venom: end of this month
[09:44] <Ademan> patbam: true, but it could be depending on A LOT more than just tcl8.4-dev, what harishund described will install everything you need, which is a good plan
[09:44] <patbam> harisund: i'm dying to try out the native sqlite :)
[09:44] <Ademan> the 26th i believe
[09:44] <KenSentMe> !edgy > deadly_venom
[09:44] <patbam> Ademan: okay, thanks
[09:44] <Ademan> !edgy
[09:44] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[09:44] <harisund> patbam: is that a 2.5 feature? (not much of a programmer myself)
[09:45] <patbam> harisund: yeah
[09:45] <Ademan> !schedule
[09:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more.  Ok (running ./configure now)
[09:46] <Ademan> can AIGLX run on vesa drivers?
[09:46] <harisund> patbam: I like the output of ./configure. If I let it runnign on my laptop for some big application, it increases my geek factor massively in college :)
[09:46] <deadly_venom> !xfree86
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfree86 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <deadly_venom> !xfree
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <djuuss> !xorg
[09:46] <harisund> deadly_venom: what are you saerching for?
[09:46] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:47] <djuuss> Hey about Xorg
[09:47] <harisund> !info xfree86
[09:47] <deadly_venom> xfree86 supports what kind of video card?
[09:47] <ubotu> Package xfree86 does not exist in any distro I know
[09:47] <patbam> harisund: let me know if ./configure gets you any dates hehe
[09:47] <djuuss> is it possible to put custom brightness/gamma/contrast values anywhere?
[09:47] <deadly_venom> xfree86 supports what kind of video card? any in particular ?
[09:47] <deadly_venom> xfree86 supports what kind of video card? any in particular ?
[09:47] <Ademan> deadly_venom: quit spamming
[09:47] <gzevspero> Hi, I'm trying to change the size of an existing partition on my HD so I can use the freed up space to create a new partition, trying to do this using gparted, but all my existing partitions are locked - how can I remove the lock so I can repartition the drive?\
[09:47] <deadly_venom> DamN KeyboarD :(
[09:48] <djuuss> deadly_venom, all of them,  YMMV, if your on your way to the graphics card shop, pick up an nvidia card for best results.
[09:48] <Ademan> deadly_venom: don't even use XFree86, Xorg is far better (basically all of the XFree86 people)
[09:48] <harisund> patbam: I am running make now. Anyhow, I would have expected python 2.5 to be able to get compiled by python 2.4 and not g++ .. but oh well :)
[09:48] <patbam> compile 2.5 with 2.4?
[09:48] <deadly_venom> djuuss IF my vid=card died on me, sure ! .. But at the moment my video card is working fine.
[09:49] <Ademan> deadly_venom: don't use XFree86
[09:49] <djuuss> gzevsperso, did you use gksu  gparted?
[09:49] <harisund> patbam: yeah ... you know, running something like python setup.py :)
[09:49] <djuuss> deadly_venom, what kind of video are you using now
[09:49] <deadly_venom> Ademan Look, who's spamming :-)
[09:49] <Ademan> gcc would still compile it though...
[09:49] <O2> yes, I want to know what is X, x-window, xfree86, xorg, and there relation?
[09:49] <deadly_venom> djuuss ATI Radeon 9250
[09:49] <patbam> harisund: ah... likely story :)
[09:49] <Evil> hello :)
[09:49] <harisund> O2: lookup http://xwinman.org/
[09:50] <gzevspero> djuuss: what's that? in about gparted it says I have version 0.0.8.
[09:50] <djuuss> deadly_venom: Ouch. It's gonna work, but its not gonna give you pretty games at a good framerate
[09:50] <harisund> O2 that has some good documentation in the beginning you might find helpful. Besides, there's always Wikipedia for everything under the sun these days.
[09:50] <deadly_venom> djuuss used to be gamer.
[09:50] <harisund> patbam: any idea how long a
[09:50] <harisund> make takes?
[09:50] <deadly_venom> djuuss I don't tend to play any games on Ubuntu box
[09:50] <daviey> Hi,  I have dependency issue.  Can't find "linux-libc-dev" (for i386)  Any help appreicated
[09:50] <Evil> can someone tell me how to completely remove gnome environment please? i only want to run fluxbox on my laptop
[09:50] <djuuss> gzevspero, you need root acces to change partitioning. gksu runs gparted as root, that should help. Remember, dont repartition mounted drives!
[09:51] <patbam> harisund: depends on your processor, i think, more than anything
[09:51] <patbam> er, maybe ram too
[09:51] <Ademan> harisund: it all depends on the program, i'd expect python to take 10 minutes at least
[09:51] <djuuss> deadly_venom, then that ati board will work just fine with xorg
[09:51] <Ademan> kernel builds can take hours
[09:51] <harisund> Evil: unless there's some space consideration that you are worried of, you don't need to eliminate gnome. But if you do read this page http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[09:52] <harisund> patbam: Ademan ok... patbam I think make is nearly done. I am attempting a checkinstall in a second or two.
[09:52] <patbam> Ademan, harisund: took me a few minutes on a prehistoric fedora box (which ended up only sorta working) and just a couple on a recent laptop with dapper
[09:52] <deadly_venom> djuuss Question, how can I do a symbolic link, since my ndiswrapper tells me I don't have kernel builds on /lib/modules$(uname -r)/build ?
[09:52] <patbam> harisund: cool, thanks for your help
[09:52] <djuuss> harisund, how can i stop gdm from running at boot? i installed kubuntu desktop over a normal ubuntu install and i'm using KDE
[09:52] <KEA0463> hello i installled fluxbox in ubuntu how do i get it to run
[09:53] <KEA0463> it wont start
[09:53] <Ademan> patbam: i guess i overestimated the size of python :-p
[09:53] <daviey> deadley venom "ln -s linkto linkname
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> deadly_venom, ln -s from to
[09:53] <djuuss> deadly_venom, what daviey said!
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, you are still here ?
[09:53] <KEA0463> yeah
[09:53] <wickedpuppy> wow ... how were you running fluxbox ?
[09:53] <deadly_venom> Where is the kernel-build (just curious) location ?
[09:54] <KEA0463> i installed it from the terminal
[09:54] <KEA0463> now how do i start it
[09:54] <patbam> Ademan: maybe you were thinking of java ;)
[09:54] <Evil> i have lot of space harisund but i really want to get a pure fluxbuntu with no more applications that i would never run
[09:54] <daviey> deadley venom "linkname also includes path ie /home/test/linktotest
[09:54] <daviey> startflux
[09:54] <daviey> i think
[09:54] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, i know how how were you trying to run it ... oh log out .. at the log in screen change the section to fluxbox
[09:54] <Ademan> patbam: the longest thing i've ever written took about a minute to compile...
[09:54] <Ademan> << n00b
[09:54] <harisund> Evil: ok. Either way the page I linked you to earlier should be fine.
[09:54] <gzevspero> djuuss: how do I run gparted through gksu?
[09:54] <Ademan> about 6000 lines of code
[09:55] <KEA0463> at the login screen?
[09:55] <Evil> thanks harisund :)
[09:55] <wickedpuppy> djuuss, you are here too .. boy i sure got lots of friends
[09:55] <patbam> Ademan: if you're a newb, i'm an oobernoob, because i stay away from any language that needs a compiler :)
[09:55] <KEA0463> were will i see it
[09:55] <djuuss> gzevspero, alt+f2, gksu gparted
[09:55] <deadly_venom> DaveyJ so, it would be --> ln -s /from/location/of/kernel/build /lib/module/$(uname -r)/build .. correct?
[09:55] <harisund> patbam: I wonder who I am, since I stay away from any language except English :)
[09:55] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, yes .. look for session there aren't many words there ..
[09:55] <Ademan> patbam: hah, take the time to learn c or c++, they're important you know...  python is great too though, i'm starting to learn python cause its very powerful
[09:55] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, look bottom left
[09:56] <KEA0463> ok illl giver er a go
[09:56] <patbam> Ademan: c++ and i had a very unloving and disastrous love affair
[09:56] <KEA0463> or i could type startflux right
[09:56] <Ademan> i still don't like a lot of "features" though, like how tabs work, (you have to tab in functions and whatnot)
[09:56] <harisund> patbam: Ademan continuing our discussion, I see a lot of gcc -pthread lines... what does the -pthread do while running gcc?
[09:56] <KEA0463> alt=f2
[09:56] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, yes if you are not in X ...
[09:56] <djuuss> wickedpuppy, dude, IRC = internal relations console. Ergo, i'm your imaginary friend.
[09:56] <Ademan> harisund: pthread = posix thread
[09:56] <Ademan> multitasking
[09:56] <Ademan> or multithreading rather
[09:56] <harisund> Ademan: oh! I remember that word from my Operating Systems class!
[09:56] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[09:56] <KEA0463> is x the gui iam looking at
[09:57] <KEA0463> that says ubuntu
[09:57] <Ademan> patbam: what happened? lol
[09:57] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, have you logged out yet ?
[09:57] <patbam> Ademan: i went screaming back to my scripting languages :)
[09:57] <KEA0463> not yet
[09:57] <deadly_venom> is VFAT = FAT32 ?
[09:57] <djuuss> it was still love tho, righ patbam?
[09:57] <patbam> harisund: still building?
[09:57] <Ademan> patbam: the concept of variable type? haha
[09:57] <wickedpuppy> KEA0463, then pls do .. if you realllly can't see session pls come back and ask us
[09:57] <djuuss> deadly _venom, yes
[09:57] <patbam> djuuss: love, in the sense of "the way a mouse loves a cat"
[09:58] <harisund> patbam: no.. running checkinstall now .. but I see a lot of "no such file or directory" lines.. think that is ok?
[09:58] <KEA0463> ok
[09:58] <harisund> patbam: having a look .. hang on..
[09:58] <djuuss> patbam, hey that sounds like me and my girlfriend
[09:58] <matti> Morning.
[09:58] <Ademan> i wonder how much the linux users with significant others : linux users without  has changed since the release of dapper :-p
[09:59] <bitwiseshiftleft> hello, i have a couple questions on ubuntu
[09:59] <daviey> Hi,  I have dependency issue.  Can't find "linux-libc-dev" (for i386)  Any help appreciated
[09:59] <djuuss> depends ademan, does dapper run world of warcraft?
[09:59] <Ademan> hehe, with wine it does!
[09:59] <patbam> Ademan: i'm firmly in the latter group O.o
[10:00] <Ademan> i'm engaged O.o
[10:00] <Ademan> or soon to be anyways
[10:00] <Ademan> in the proccess of finding a ring
[10:00] <djuuss> :O you havent asked her yet?
[10:00] <djuuss> and, is a loopback enough of a ring?
[10:00] <Ademan> hahahhah
[10:00] <patbam> Ademan: try a frootloops box :)
[10:00] <Phlosten> a keyring perhaps?
[10:01] <Ademan> i gave her a ring i made out of paper, it didn't satisfy her though...
[10:01] <Phlosten> just give an IOU note
[10:01] <pwk> hi
[10:01] <djuuss> well you could at least have used actual paper, not toilet paper
[10:01] <daviey> give her a toekn ring network in your house
[10:01] <harisund> patbam: did you see a whole lot of "No such file or directory" messages
[10:01] <patbam> you could give her your pgp public key... and tell her to get her own key ring
[10:01] <Ademan> yeah, especially not used tp...
[10:01] <bitwiseshiftleft> i custom compiled a 2.6.18 kernel.  it definitely has my chipset and fs drivers, because i could boot with it.  but after i upgraded to the latest edgy bits, it doesn't boot, citing "cannot boot from unknown(0,0)" as if it had no fs drivers
[10:01] <patbam> harisund: yeah :-/
[10:01] <pwk> i'm having a hard time deicidng which version of linux to install.. kde or gnome ?
[10:01] <harisund> patbam: hmm ... ok give me a couple more minutes
[10:01] <Ademan> GNOME
[10:02] <djuuss> KDE
[10:02] <deadly_venom> pwk gnome
[10:02] <Ademan> and its a desktop environment, not the type of linux
[10:02] <bitwiseshiftleft> i can boot under 2.6.17-ubuntu, but it panics half the time on boot, and i can't read the panic message, because it scrolls backtraces off the screen
[10:02] <Phlosten> go the gnome
[10:02] <djuuss>  /cast FlameShield lvl 2
[10:02] <daviey> pwk: both, test drive them
[10:02] <bitwiseshiftleft> after it boots, it's rock-solid
[10:02] <pwk> whcich one is easiest for a newbie?
[10:02] <Phlosten> run them all
[10:02] <bitwiseshiftleft> any ideas how to fix?
[10:02] <deadly_venom> pwk gnome
[10:02] <djuuss> pwk: KDE
[10:02] <O2> apt-get install g++   =    apt-get install build-essential!!!
[10:02] <deadly_venom> :-P
[10:02] <O2> apt-get install g++   =    apt-get install build-essential!!!
[10:02] <pwk> whats difference ?
[10:02] <Ademan> pwk: everyone has their own opinion, just try both
[10:02] <Ademan> style, look and feel, etc
[10:02] <wickedpuppy> O2, no ... build-essential install more than g++ ...
[10:02] <tonyyarusso> pwk: Gnome is simple.  KDE looks more like Windows.  (I'll second that, try both)
[10:03] <O2> who can tell me.
[10:03] <Ademan> a lot of people say GNOME is more stable, which I agree with
[10:03] <pwk> but they same just different setup ?
[10:03] <BlueEagle> pwk: The only real answer would be to try each one out for yourself and see what you like. You can have both installed and choose which one to use when you log in.
[10:03] <Ademan> plus Adept blows
[10:03] <Phlosten> Ademan: agreed
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> pwk: Same in that they're both Ubuntu.
[10:03] <O2> oh, maybe
[10:03] <Phlosten> adept is inept
[10:03] <pwk> so, i got the gmome cd to install
[10:03] <BlueEagle> pwk: To do this you simply install kubuntu-desktop after installing ubuntu (or ubuntu-desktop after installing kubuntu) and then you're free to choose.
[10:03] <harisund> patbam: kind of painful ... . a couple of things..
[10:03] <BlueEagle> *flameshield lvl 2 terminated*
[10:03] <pwk> i can install it, then like downalod a pack via terminal
[10:03] <Nub> Hi
[10:03] <tonyyarusso> pwk: You can also customize each beyond recognition (for instance, I have a URL for a guide on making Gnome look like OS X)
[10:03] <Ademan> pwk: then install the GNOME cd, then try KDE later if you're not satisfied
[10:03] <BlueEagle> pwk: That is correct.
[10:04] <pwk> and then i can switch between them both ?
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> pwk: Yep
[10:04] <patbam> harisund: pain builds character :)
[10:04] <daviey> apt-get install build-essentials: build-essential: Depends: (Unmet libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[10:04] <harisund> patbam: first hte documentation says if you want to retain your previous version of python, do a make altinstall and not a make install.
[10:04] <BlueEagle> pwk: That was what I said. :)
[10:04] <pwk> ok
[10:04] <pwk> cause i need to learn linux
[10:04] <tonyyarusso> pwk: I once had a dozen different environments installed at once for kicks.  'tis fun
[10:04] <djuuss> Hmm, i wanna learn Python.. where do i start?
[10:04] <Ademan> BlueEagle: you put down your flameshield too soon!!! GNOME RULES KDE DROOLS!!!!
[10:04] <patbam> harisund: so, "sudo checkinstall make altinstall"?
[10:04] <pwk> i got windows vista and xp on now
[10:04] <Ademan> lol
[10:04] <[Nige] > hi all
[10:04] <Nub> I have a question about edgy, if I download and install the beta today, will I have to download the final version again?
[10:04] <patbam> djuuss: have you programmed before?
[10:04] <pwk> i can use acronics boot loader ?
[10:04] <Madpilot> daviey, sounds like there's something wrong with your sources.list if you're getting that sort of error
[10:04] <Nub> Or will it be upgraded automatically bu ubuntu?
[10:04] <wickedpuppy> Nub, no you update way
[10:04] <harisund> patbam: now that's what I tried. But it crapped out too. So I just tried make altinstall and it works.
[10:05] <djuuss> if playing mindgames on 4 yr olds to turn them into murderous rapists counts, yes
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> !python
[10:05] <Ademan> Nub: i don't reccomend installing the beta either way, just wait for release
[10:05] <Nub> wickedpuppy: oh goodie, thanks.
[10:05] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 532 kB
[10:05] <wickedpuppy> Nub, you got to update ...
[10:05] <daviey> madpilot: doh, how can i re-create my sources.list
[10:05] <tonyyarusso> Bah.
[10:05] <BlueEagle> ademan: I put it down because any flames to come after that explination was just a show of immaturity and all but you got it. ;)
[10:05] <Madpilot> daviey, just a second
[10:05] <Nub> Ademan: Wireless doesn't work in dapper, been trying for over a week now :(
[10:05] <deadly_venom> Nub tried ndiswrapper/madwifi ?
[10:05] <Nub> Ademan: the best advice on forums till now has been to install edgy
[10:05] <Ademan> Nub: ?!?! mine worked flawlessly... what card?
[10:05] <harisund> patbam: I am now trying to figure out a way to get it to work with checkinstall... let's see..
[10:05] <patbam> harisund: could you do a favor and do $ python2.5 ; and then at the prompt do >>> import sqlite3 ?
[10:06] <wickedpuppy> Nub, actually if it doesn't work in dapper ... i doubt it will work in edgy
[10:06] <Nub> deadly_venom: yeah, ndiswrapper brings me to some kind of a prompt that says, "DB"
[10:06] <pwk> so, all i need now is help on howto setup the bootloaders,
[10:06] <Ademan> not only that my card is an obscure integrated card as part of an obscure brand of laptop...
[10:06] <Nub> Ademan: BCM4310
[10:06] <daviey> Madpilot: i tried to install it from search for the depenendant deb's but one wasn't avaliable on the http: rep index
[10:06] <djuuss> patbam, no, i havent :P
[10:06] <pwk> i got vist'a bootloader now to dual boot xp/ vista
[10:06] <Ademan> grub uber alles!
[10:06] <Madpilot> daviey, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic - but how did you mess up your sources in the first place?
[10:06] <pwk> will linux destroy vist'a loader ?
[10:06] <djuuss> lilo!
[10:06] <Ademan> pwk: yes, if you want it to
[10:06] <Nub> Ademan: atleast thats what lspci says
[10:07] <pwk> i want vista, xp, mac os x, and ubuntu on
[10:07] <Ademan> pwk: and i would definitely want it to... GRUB is far better
[10:07] <daviey> probably automatix or adding own repos
[10:07] <Nub> wickedpuppy: i'd rather try because a laptop without wireless is pretty useless :p
[10:07] <djuuss> kde > grub
[10:07] <pwk> would grub boot vista ?
[10:07] <wickedpuppy> daviey, pls do not recommend automatix here
[10:07] <djuuss> pwk, yes
[10:07] <pwk> k
[10:07] <wickedpuppy> Nub, of course there is nothing wrong with trying :P
[10:07] <pwk> so i'll install mac now,.. then ubntu
[10:07] <Ademan> djuuss: huh? kde is a desktop environment, grub is a bootloader....
[10:07] <daviey> wickedpuppy: i wasn't - infact i was doing the opposite!!
[10:07] <Madpilot> daviey, automatix is a wonderful way to break your Ubuntu. It's best avoided.
[10:07] <pwk> and grub should pick up all os's ?
[10:08] <Ademan> pwk: yep, its a multiboot loader
[10:08] <Nub> Plus, people have been saying rave things about edgy, i really want to see if its any faster
[10:08] <Ademan> grand universal boot loader = GRUB
[10:08] <djuuss> ademan, so? Beer > Toilet Paper
[10:08] <pwk> k, i hope so
[10:08] <pwk> cause i need to boot vista
[10:08] <pwk> thanks guys
[10:08] <Ademan> djuuss: poop > pee?
[10:08] <pwk> guys its parttioning time
[10:08] <pwk> 4 os's to install
[10:08] <djuuss> those are too related for it to make sense
[10:08] <Ademan> hrm
[10:09] <Ademan> apples > 5
[10:09] <djuuss> depends on the amount of apples
[10:09] <djuuss> heres one for you, what is the complete opposite of 'rubber band'
[10:09] <Ademan> iron ball?
[10:10] <wickedpuppy> what about penguins > apples > windows ?
[10:10] <Ademan> agreed
[10:10] <Madpilot> Folks, #ubuntu-offtopic is over there ---->
[10:10] <djuuss> no its not, thats where the client list is
[10:10] <bitwiseshiftleft> anyone in here know how to get openssl hardware accel on a via chip?
[10:11] <Ademan> <--- over there is where my channel list is
[10:11] <djuuss> my server list <------
[10:11] <POVaddct> [x]  <-- nail here for a new monitor
[10:11] <djuuss> wait, and channels too
[10:11] <Ademan> djuuss: xchat-gnome ? :-)
[10:12] <djuuss> ewwwww gnome. On topic: Where do i set custom gamma/contrast/brightness values for my x server?
[10:12] <Madpilot> Ademan, the mods here lurk. It's more fun that way.
[10:12] <daviey> hmm, okay - i created a new sources.list from the link provided but still get.    build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or
[10:12] <daviey>                             libc-dev
[10:12] <daviey>                    Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[10:13] <Ademan> lol
[10:13] <Ademan> owned
[10:13] <neil_d> I am trying to get ruby to work with the gtk2 module, but all I get are a lot of error messages, can someone help?
[10:13] <Ademan> daviey: sudo apt-get install g++
[10:13] <POVaddct> daviey: here libc6-dev depends only on libc6 and linux-kernel-headers
[10:14] <daviey> ademan: as you said = g++: Depends: g++-4.0 (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed
[10:14] <Ademan> neil_d: paste your errors at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:14] <POVaddct> daviey: are you running dapper?
[10:14] <daviey> i am running dapper
[10:14] <Ademan> daviey: wierd... make sure nothing in your sources.list says breezy ok?
[10:14] <POVaddct> daviey: i run dapper too by here i don't have a dependency against g++
[10:15] <POVaddct> s/by/but
[10:15] <daviey> nothing saying breezy in source'
[10:15] <Ademan> k
[10:15] <Ademan> try manually installing g++-4.0 ?
[10:15] <djuuss> then try for sarge, woody, and hoary
[10:15] <Ademan> eh? sarge is debian...
[10:15] <wickedpuppy> why not just ask him to paste us the sources.list ?
[10:16] <boink> !pastebin
[10:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:16] <djuuss> yeh,,, daviey post  your sources.list there
[10:16] <POVaddct> djuuss: no!
[10:16] <deadly_venom> !kernel
[10:16] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:16] <neil_d> Ademan: I pasted the code and errors to 'http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26049/'
[10:16] <Ackeubu_> whats the curretn gcc compiler version?
[10:16] <Ackeubu_> !gcc
[10:16] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:17] <daviey> my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26050/
[10:17] <djuuss> POVaddct: no what?
[10:17] <wickedpuppy> Ackeubu_, gcc version 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)
[10:18] <POVaddct> djuuss: files like sources.list shouldn't be pasted here. better use pastebin.
[10:18] <Ackeubu_> wickedpuppy: someone was murmeling about gcc 5. hes out of it?
[10:18] <deadly_venom> !smp
[10:18] <wickedpuppy> ?
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <Ademan> neil_d: and i assume you have the ruby bindings for gtk installed right?
[10:18] <djuuss> POVaddct, i said 'post it there' by there meaning paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:18] <Madpilot> daviey, that looks fine, I don't know why you're getting errors
[10:18] <POVaddct> djuuss: ah okay
[10:18] <wickedpuppy> Ackeubu_, you want to know about latest gcc version or latest gcc version in the repo ?
[10:19] <Madpilot> !info gcc
[10:19] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-1 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[10:20] <Ademan> gtg to sleep, speech tomorow
[10:20] <Ademan> night all
[10:20] <Schalken> does anyone have the valid md5sum for the kubuntu 6.06 iso?
[10:20] <KenSentMe> Ademan: good night
[10:20] <daviey> Okay, get this: unmnet dependency libc6.  So ap' install libc6 = already latest version
[10:21] <Daverocks> hey, i'm having trouble getting my wg111v2 netgear wireless usb adapter working on ubuntu 6.06 with ndiswrapper
[10:21] <neil_d> Ademan: I have the libgtk2-ruby package installed.
[10:21] <Daverocks> i've gotten to the point where "ndiswrapper -l" says "driver present, hardware present"
[10:22] <Daverocks> but even when i say "modprobe ndiswrapper", the light on the device doesn't come on (which many wg111 tutorial things said it should) and i don't have any wireless interface under ifconfig
[10:25] <POVaddct> Daverocks: you meant iwconfig?
[10:25] <tamacracker> hey guys?...
[10:26] <tamacracker> How do I get my bit torrent to start?...
[10:26] <Daverocks> POVaddct: it doesn't show in either ifconfig or iwconfig
[10:26] <tamacracker> It used to start but another torrent client is actin as the default
[10:26] <harisund> There's a package in the edgy repos that I want. How do I get it?
[10:26] <daviey> hmm.  Think i'm getting to the crook of it:  install libc6-dev:
[10:26] <daviey>   Depends: libc6 (=2.3.6-0ubuntu20) but 2.4-1ubuntu11 is to be installed
[10:26] <Daverocks> POVaddct: in iwconfig, no interfaces support wireless because there is no wireless interface corresponding to the adapter there
[10:26] <POVaddct> Daverocks: any error messages in dmegs after modprobe ndiswrapper?
[10:26] <Daverocks> POVaddct: i'll check
[10:27] <hummel> i.  i recently installed ubuntu 6.0.6 and i'm having some trouble installing the libgtk2.0-dev packages...
[10:27] <deadly_venom> you can install it without depencies, but i don't know how, sorry.
[10:28] <POVaddct> Daverocks: dapper doesnt have glibc 2.4. your sources.list is f***ed up
[10:28] <hummel> Daverocks, hmmm what do you mean?
[10:28] <Daverocks> POVaddct: wrong person :P
[10:28] <hummel> oh
[10:28] <POVaddct> oops
[10:28] <Daverocks> POVaddct: and it works now
[10:28] <POVaddct> daviey: dapper doesnt have glibc 2.4. your sources.list is f***ed up
[10:28] <harisund> How do I install a package presesnt in the edgy repos into Dapper?
[10:28] <Daverocks> POVaddct: even though i did "modprobe -r ndiswrapper; modprobe ndiswrapper" before, i just did it again now, and it works xD
[10:29] <Daverocks> ty :P
[10:29] <daviey> POVaddict: i manully installed it a while ago!  however, i cannot remove it as the whole system is depenendant on it
[10:29] <POVaddct> Daverocks: strange :)
[10:29] <Daverocks> POVaddct: yeah, i just hope it stays working
[10:29] <daviey> i need to roll back to a previous release
[10:29] <POVaddct> daviey: why did you install that glibc version anyway?
[10:30] <daviey> POVaddct, it was a dependancy for another package
[10:30] <POVaddct> Daverocks: i try not to buy wifi hardware that requires ndiswrapper
[10:30] <Daverocks> POVaddct: yeah, on this laptop i have ipw2200 which is nice because it's native
[10:31] <POVaddct> daviey: but that package was certainly not from the ubuntu repos
[10:31] <[Nige] > anyone know how to get the wireless to start on notebooks without using the fn keys?
[10:31] <Daverocks> POVaddct: but i had this old adapter lying around and i needed it, so yeah :P
[10:31] <daviey> POVaddct,  it wasn't
[10:31] <POVaddct> daviey: that is the problem
[10:32] <Daverocks> [Nige] : it depends on the notebook, but if the fn keys are required to turn the adapter on, then you need to use them
[10:32] <neil_d> Ademan: any ideas
[10:32] <Daverocks> [Nige] : there's often a setting in the BIOS which determines the state of the wireless card on boot
[10:32] <[Nige] > Daverocks, , yer I want it to be turned perminately at boot
[10:32] <[Nige] > I looked i didnt seen anyting in the bios
[10:32] <POVaddct> Daverocks: fortunately my usb wifi stick has ralink chipset, running native with rt2570 module
[10:33] <Ackeubu_> wickedpuppy: latest general
[10:33] <Daverocks> [Nige] : so what happens usually is you need to use the fn keys to turn the wireless card on after boot, then it works?
[10:33] <[Nige] > yep
[10:33] <tamacracker> can anyone tell me where i can locate the executable icon to strt up my bit torrent?
[10:33] <Daverocks> POVaddct: heh lucky, but i didn't know about linux when i bought this adapter ages ago :P
[10:34] <Ackeubu_> tamacracker: write bittorrent in terminal
[10:34] <wickedpuppy> Ackeubu_, i think you saw it right ?
[10:34] <[Nige] > it needs the fn keys pressed to start the wireless. I know its petty to want to have it work without it but i would rather have it boot with the wireless on
[10:34] <daviey> tamacracker, execuatbel icon.  do you mean to make it look pretty?  or some other functional reason?
[10:34] <Ackeubu_> wickedpuppy: i think so thanks
[10:34] <Daverocks> [Nige] : yeah... it must be annoying
[10:34] <tamacracker> i can't find the "file" (normally an icon) that i can double click to start up the program
[10:34] <Daverocks> [Nige] : what notebook model do you have?
[10:34] <[Nige] > yer it is :P\
[10:34] <[Nige] > joybook 5000
[10:34] <[Nige] > its becomming my media pc
[10:35] <daviey> so how can i roll back to a version of deb without removeing the the dependancy's between apt-get remove/install
[10:35] <neil_d> tamacracker: you need to turn it on using the menu editor.
[10:36] <Daverocks> [Nige] : that's kind of weird
[10:37] <[Nige] > Daverocks, i know.l..
[10:37] <Daverocks> [Nige] : usually most notebooks by default remember the last state of the wifi card
[10:37] <[Nige] > hmm okay
[10:37] <[Nige] > I might try that again. and see what it does
[10:37] <Daverocks> [Nige] : i don't know, maybe try looking more in the bios
[10:38] <[Nige] > yer I will
[10:38] <[Nige] > bbs
[10:38] <Daverocks> [Nige] : but i can't really help you further, sorry =(
[10:38] <Daverocks> k
[10:38] <tamacracker> oh ok neil_d gonna check it out righ tnow
[10:38] <Daverocks> bbl
[10:41] <neil_d> Ademan: I pasted the code and errors to 'http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26049/' I have the libgtk2-ruby package installed.
[10:41] <rodrigosg> lalal
[10:41] <tamacracker> neil_d it should be under System > Preferences > Toolbars & Menu right?
[10:42] <neil_d> tamacracker: Applications->Accessories->Alacarte Menu Editor
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> Where can I get a stand like this?:  http://ubuntu.sange.fi/ubuntu-cd-teline.png
[10:44] <tamacracker> LOL
[10:44] <tamacracker> thanks neil
[10:44] <tamacracker> i looked at that and didn't notice it :x
[10:44] <daviey> for those that may be interested in how to downgrade a package with huge dependency's: sudo dpkg --force-downgrade -i xxx.deb
[10:44] <deadly_venom> !init
[10:44] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a bootfloppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[10:45] <peace-keeper> hi could you please un-ban me? i'm sorry for saying bad things in here :D
[10:45] <neil_d> I am trying to get ruby to work with the gtk2 module, but all I get are a lot of error messages, can someone help?  The code and errors are on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26049/ the libgtk2-ruby.
[10:48] <tamacracker> neil_d does revert mean set as default? or "apply" >.>
[10:48] <anilomkar> how to install flash player for swiftfox
[10:48] <deadly_venom> neil_d do you have gtk2 ?
[10:48] <neil_d> tamacracker: you want to apply the change.
[10:49] <tamacracker> neil_d :( there's no apply to click on.. just revert and close
[10:49] <YogSothoth> Hi
[10:49] <tiny> Hi! I need to decide what kind of ubuntu to install. Desktop vs Server. I will need features from both on my lappie. So I guess I'm wondering how sharp the line between those two is? Can desktop install packages that are on server and vice versa?
[10:50] <neil_d> deadly_venom: the libgtk2-ruby package is installed, the script does say it can find it, it says it is haveing trouble with the line that requires the gtk2.
[10:50] <YogSothoth> I have a "Kodak EasyShare printer dock series 3" photo printer. Anything special to use it with Ubuntu?
[10:50] <kuja> neil_d: Yes
[10:50] <Riot777> tinn: desktop
[10:50] <kuja> err
[10:50] <neil_d> tamacracker: then close it and see if its in the menu.
[10:50] <kuja> tiny*
[10:50] <Riot777> tiny: desktop
[10:51] <tamacracker> neil_d you my friend... are good.
[10:51] <tamacracker> You're good you!
[10:52] <AbortD> anyone know how to setup dual monitors with dual vid cards?
[10:52] <jaakkos> is this the right place to ask an XGL-question, or is there a support channel for it?
[10:52] <kenny_> try
[10:52] <kuja> neil_d: What sort of trouble?
[10:53] <tamacracker> thanks again neil_d
[10:53] <anilomkar> how to install flashplayer for Swiftfox Please help me
[10:53] <deadly_venom> anilomkar -> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:54] <neil_d> kuja: I am having trouble with ruby and gtk see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26049/
[10:55] <tiny> What else do I get on DVD image?  Can't find info on diferences between CD and DVD.
[10:55] <kuja> neil_d: Try changing your theme.
[10:55] <anilomkar> deadly_venom, I installed flashplugin-nonfree but it is not working
[10:55] <Draco> I am trying to run x-cd-roast for the first time and its telling me it has to be run by super-user first ?
[10:56] <jaakkos> is this the right place to ask an XGL-question, or is there a support channel for it?
[10:56] <anilomkar> deadly_venom, when i open website it is displaying "install missing plugin"
[10:57] <KEA0463> ok i got flujxbox working
[10:57] <mesut> hi, does aiglx packages for dapper-ppc exist ?
[10:57] <KEA0463> how do i get the graphs to show
[10:57] <neil_d> kuja: I am using the default theme, what one do you sugjest.
[10:57] <KEA0463> the system stuff on fluxbox
[10:57] <kuja> neil_d: Hm, the default Human? That one doesn't work? I had a problem like this before, I forget how I solved it.
[10:58] <KEA0463> the number charts
[10:58] <kuja> neil_d: Ah wait.
[10:58] <kuja> neil_d: You don't have a Gtk.init
[10:58] <kuja> You must always have a Gtk.init and a Gtk.main around the part where you show your application.
[10:58] <AbortD> anyone know how to setup dual monitors with dual vid cards?
[10:59] <neil_d> kuja: it is a direct copy from a web-page.
[10:59] <kuja> neil_d: Then the web page just forgot to include a Gtk.init
[10:59] <kuja> neil_d: The Ruby-GNOME2 docs have many typos, just in case you haven't noticed.
[10:59] <KEA0463> i have a question
[10:59] <KEA0463> in fluxbox
[10:59] <neil_d> kuja: oh great.
[11:00] <kuja> It is best to read the C GTK docs.
[11:00] <KEA0463> how do i get those scientific looking computer charrts
[11:00] <KEA0463> running
[11:00] <kuja> Or the Python GTK docs...
[11:00] <mart1> hi there ... how do I recognize my wireless card with lspci ?
[11:00] <SeraVitae>  hey guys, my ubuntu box, i left it running over night, woke it up this morning and it was totally hung.
[11:00] <SeraVitae> anywhere i can check what's going on?
[11:01] <SeraVitae> ...actually, it just hung again then. harddrive spun down, ubuntu responsive for about another 4 seconds. can't alt to a TTY.
[11:01] <kuja> Harddrive failure, perhaps.
[11:01] <SeraVitae> perhaps
[11:01] <SeraVitae> any programs i can use to check it?
[11:02] <kuja> fsck to check your filesystem, maybe
[11:02] <neil_d> kuja: line 12 "gtk.init" got the error message "hello.rb:12: undefined local variable or method `gtk' for main:Object (NameError)"
[11:02] <kuja> neil_d: Gtk.init, I've been saying "Gtk.init", I never said "gtk.init"
[11:02] <kuja> Gtk is a constant, not a variable named "gtk"
[11:02] <SeraVitae> yeah i just booted up again and the harddrive (well one of them) went a bit bonkers.
[11:02] <Marlun> how do I make a file executable?
[11:03] <kuja> Marlun: chmod +x file
[11:03] <mart1> hey guys: how do I know my wireless card, and get it into work??
[11:03] <RyEINic> chmod a+x
[11:03] <boink> martl: depends on what chipset it's using
[11:03] <boink> !wireless
[11:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:03] <neil_d> kuja: thanks that got it to go.
[11:03] <mart1> jejj
[11:03] <mart1> i'll see that odc, thanks boink
[11:03] <mesut> is there any ppc channel of ubuntu ?
[11:05] <Marlun> kuja: thanks!
[11:05] <kuja> np
[11:09] <gandolfthewizard> hi can someone help me please
[11:11] <tiny> What are the differences between CD and DVD install isos? Does DVD include all packages while CD only selected and the rest in installed over net?
[11:11] <tiny> *is
[11:12] <oskude> tiny: i doubt the dvd has _all_ packages... i think just more than the cd...
[11:12] <gandolfthewizard> dvd has more space on them
[11:12] <tiny> o:
[11:12] <harm_> I cant seem to boot into my Xubuntu system, its hangs after its sayd ... Ok, booting the kernel
[11:13] <gandolfthewizard> but if the program is the same and it can fit on a cd then it could be the same program or if there are multipal cd they may have combinded them to fit on one dvd
[11:13] <Shadowpillar> did you upgrade the kernel?
[11:13] <Shadowpillar> and that happen?
[11:13] <gandolfthewizard> nope
[11:13] <Shadowpillar> or is it doing it off the bat?
[11:13] <gandolfthewizard> i have ubuntu
[11:13] <tiny> harm_: you sure your grub/lilo is setup properly?
[11:14] <gandolfthewizard> i've been trying to get the java pilug in to wor kbut i have not been able to
[11:14] <woekele> is mesa gl support in ubuntu by default?
[11:15] <harm_> Shadowpillar well yesterday i installed server 6.06 > then Xubuntu > easyubuntu
[11:16] <harm_> Shadowpillar and it was working fine yesterday
[11:16] <harm_> tiny well it worked yesterday and i didnt touch grub or lilo
[11:16] <tiny> harm_: yesterday .. hm yeah and you prolly rebooted today ... something happened in between
[11:17] <Shadowpillar> harm_: what are your kernel choices on the bootloader (try pressing esc on start)
[11:18] <dennda> hi. did anyone succesfully install a lexmark z45 printer?
[11:18] <Shadowpillar> easybuntu might have messed things up
[11:18] <harm_> Shadowpillar should i reinstall grub via a live CD?
[11:19] <harm_> Shadowpillar kernel options > Ubuntu Kernel 2.6.15-27-k7 then same + recovery mode then 2.6.15-26server + recovery and a memtest86
[11:20] <Shadowpillar> no
[11:20] <woekele> dennda, did you check http://www.linuxprinting.org/ ?
[11:20] <woekele> they have lots of info about printers in Linux
[11:21] <woekele> although it seems your printer is not listed there
[11:21] <dennda> woekele yes i did. but unfortunately the printer is not listed there
[11:21] <woekele> :{
[11:21] <Shadowpillar> harisund: try the recovery mode kernel
[11:21] <Shadowpillar> harisund: better yet
[11:21] <Shadowpillar> try the server kernel to see if it boots
[11:21] <Shadowpillar> harisund: : better yet
[11:21] <harm_> shadowpillar harm :)
 thats why linux comes with a gui
[11:21] <pohwom> lol ^
[11:22] <Shadowpillar> .....
[11:22] <Shadowpillar> damndsfkjhdsljfdsfds
[11:22] <harm_> =]
[11:22] <Shadowpillar> harm_:  better yet
[11:22] <harm_> Shadowpillar iam trying to  boot server kernel now
[11:22] <harm_> shadownpillar and that seems to work :)
[11:22] <woekele> dennda, you seem to have bad luck with that printer: http://lists.freestandards.org/pipermail/printing-user-lexmark/2003/001743.html
[11:22] <tiny> harm_: One possible cause is that ACPI is not working correctly but is enabled in the kernel. Try to disable it in your bios or in your kernel.
[11:23] <harm_> tiny iam not that good w. linux could u wiki me or walk me through that?
[11:24] <harm_> tiny_ and shadowpillar iam in my desktop now.. and everything looks fine
[11:25] <woekele> does anyone know if mesa gl support in ubuntu by default?
[11:26] <pulltab> Hi, can someone please help me configure mail()?  I have read up on using it, but don't know how to go about debugging/knowing why it wont send mail
[11:27] <nold222> hi...
[11:28] <tiny> pulltab: you mean mail.1 ?  You need to have MTA configured properly in order for MUA's to work
[11:29] <Daverocks> MUA = mail user agent, MTA = mail transfer agent
[11:29] <anilomkar> when i double click on the fat32 partition in Ubuntu that is displaying a error msg like "Unable to mount the selected volume"
[11:29] <tiny> known MUA's: mail, pine, mutt, mozilla mail ...
[11:30] <tiny> know MTAs: postfix, sendmail, exim ...
[11:30] <nold222> hi any can help me how to fix my internet
[11:31] <tiny> pulltab: configuring postfix for local mail delivery is easy ..follow the guide
[11:31] <Daverocks> nold222: it would be nice if you could be more specific... you can't ping anything, you can't access any webpages?
[11:32] <nold222> thanks daverocks,, no. once i leave my cpu for a cuople of time
[11:33] <nold222>  i use dhcp
[11:33] <Daverocks> nold222: can you still ping your gateway, etc?
[11:33] <pulltab> tiny: I think I wasn't specific enough, sorry.  I am trying to have the mail() function of php working with postfix?
[11:34] <kakalto> how do I change the clock on ubuntu? I've rather forgotten. daylight savings has just gone into effect for me
[11:34] <nold222> yes, but my dns had gone
[11:34] <wickedpuppy> pulltab, why not ask in #php ?
[11:34] <manni18> TZ
[11:34] <manni18>          KC4% XOK#9 ),     MD3# !\"LT#<E$,6%'&
[11:34] <manni18>                                        'C'4(%)*+,-./01] 23=4R5626889:C;X<_=:>A?@#A9BFCD%ECFG#GIIJKLMNOPQWRS7TLGUNV,)V0XFXY(Z[
[11:34] <harm_> Spam
[11:34] <Flannel> kakalto: there's a time/date section in sy
[11:34] <manni18> \] ^__?] =T[=S5Q<1E /          *0
[11:34] <wickedpuppy> !ops
[11:34] <ubotu> Help! Keybuk, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob, Hobbsee, imbrandon, DBO or gnomefreak!
[11:34] <manni18> @0:$
[11:34] <manni18> oh
[11:34] <wickedpuppy> thanks Madpilot
[11:34] <djuuss> haha
[11:34] <djuuss> owned
[11:34] <Daverocks> =)
[11:34] <Seveas> sigh, the versanet trolls moved to here now?
[11:34] <Khamael> was that gibberish for everyone?
[11:35] <nold222> yes
[11:35] <Daverocks> think so
[11:35] <Flannel> Seveas: not the first time... although not in a while
[11:35] <nold222> daverocks
[11:35] <harm_> Kgameal yes unless u have japense shit installed
[11:35] <Daverocks> nold222: yeah, i heard ya :P
[11:35] <tiny> Seveas: is versanet know for that?
[11:35] <Madpilot> someone claiming to be the Chancellor of Germany
[11:35] <Flannel> kakalto: time/date thing in system
[11:35] <tiny> *known
[11:35] <Daverocks> nold222: just a bit busy atm
[11:35] <Seveas> harm_, watch your language
[11:35] <nold222> ic
[11:35] <tiny> pulltab: sorry no skilz in php
[11:35] <Seveas> tiny, there are a fw german trolls using versanet.
[11:35] <tiny> I see
[11:36] <Daverocks> nold222: is your DNS settings in ubuntu the gateway, or an external DNS server?
[11:36] <tiny> pulltab: but you should first check if postfix is working ok. Then use php mail() function.
[11:36] <harm_> Seveas sorry :) slipped out
[11:36] <pulltab> tiny: is there an easy way to test that?
[11:36] <nold222> i dont know, just new to linus, it is given by our asp here
[11:37] <wickedpuppy> nold222, linus is a person ...
[11:37] <nold222> yup, c linux
[11:37] <tiny> pulltab: sure it is: $ mail person@domain
[11:37] <djuuss> !linus
[11:37] <tiny> and follow from there
[11:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <tiny> pulltab: or read man mail
[11:37] <tiny> pulltab:  I'm sure you can test it with one-liner
[11:37] <pulltab> thanks tiny!
[11:38] <kakalto> Flannel: I mean from the CLI - I use ubuntu base, no GUI
[11:38] <tiny> pulltab: no prob
[11:38] <nold222> daverock
[11:38] <kakalto> (sorry slow reply, charas went a little weird there. bad input)
[11:38] <nold222> were u
[11:38] <nold222> bc
[11:38] <Daverocks> nold222: so "host google.com" or whatever just doesn't work?
[11:39] <Flannel> kakalto: tzconfig I believe is what you want.  since you don't really want to change your system time, only your offset
[11:39] <nold222> it work at all once i set from the biggining but once i left my cpu unused.
[11:39] <nold222> it disappear''
[11:40] <Daverocks> nold222: does ifdown/ifup-ing the interface fix it?
[11:41] <nold222> may i know, how do you set your internet. i dont know
[11:42] <kakalto> Flannel: cheers
[11:42] <Daverocks> nold222: type ifconfig
[11:42] <nold222> and then
[11:42] <kakalto> Flannel: but, if I'm on the edge, and I'm meant to end up @ GMT+13, what am I meant to do?
[11:42] <Daverocks> nold222: do you see an interface which is UP and has your internal IP?
[11:42] <mOrO^> does it ask me ...where do you want to go today?
[11:43] <Flannel> kakalto: There isn't a GMT+13?  or, maybe it's GMT+12 + DST
[11:43] <nold222> yah, i got it
[11:43] <Daverocks> nold222: what's it called? something like eth0, eth1?
[11:48] <Burn_> morning
[11:48] <Burn_> can somebody check this forum thread -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273515
[11:48] <DennyCrane> Very funny, the calendar died and popped up the inform developer window, I chose that and to update bug buddy, which promptly crashed and asked me if I would like to use bug buddy to report the bugbuddy crash - all very amusing - so who has be porting microsoft code then...! ?
[11:51] <mwe> DennyCrane: please file a bug report manually anyway
[11:51] <Shadowpillar> Madpilot: it looked more like he accidently pasted his command prompt
[11:51] <Shadowpillar> Madpilot: ever cat'd something that turned your terminal into gibberish?
[11:52] <Madpilot> Shadowpillar, nope - I assume you're talking about the guy I kickbanned?
[11:52] <Shadowpillar> yeah
[11:52] <Shadowpillar> look like he copied what he catencated from a TZ file, you can see a command prompt thing in there
[11:53] <Madpilot> could be - I'll remove the ban in a while, before I sign off for the night
[11:53] <Shadowpillar> Madpilot: cat /usr/share/zoneinfo/CET
[11:53] <Shadowpillar> Madpilot: for example
[11:53] <Shadowpillar> watch what happens to your term
[11:53] <Shadowpillar> (type reset to fix it)
[11:54] <Madpilot> cool - what causes that?
[11:54] <Shadowpillar> I dont know
[11:54] <Shadowpillar> bash interpreting a command character wrong?
[11:54] <wickedpuppy> you can also cat binary files ? no ?
[11:54] <Shadowpillar> yep
[11:54] <Shadowpillar> just expect a ton of gibberish
[11:54] <wickedpuppy> i remember getting the same result that way before
[11:54] <kakalto> Flannel, dunno, looking
[11:55] <edgy> Hi, if I launched msyqld from the command line it can't be killed using Ctrl+C or hanged using Ctrl+Z, any reason for this?
[11:55] <Daverocks> it's like cat /dev/urandom ... but that's more out of control xD
[11:55] <Shadowpillar> strings will find text in a file
[11:55] <wickedpuppy> edgy, sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop
[11:56] <edgy> wickedpuppy: I want to kill it from the same window
[11:56] <wickedpuppy> edgy, yah you type it in same terminal
[11:56] <wickedpuppy> i don't remember mysql staying in the foreground while i run it ...
[11:56] <edgy> wickedpuppy: I started it like this: sudo mysqld  so now I don't have a prompt ($)
[11:56] <wickedpuppy> i always get back the prompt
[11:57] <edgy> wickedpuppy: this is for debugging purposes
[11:57] <wickedpuppy> ah well i can't help ya .. cause i don't start it that way .. i usually do sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[11:57] <tsw> what about sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start?
[11:57] <mwe> edgy: you shouldn't start it like that
[11:57] <RyEINic> because it is a daemon, it is it's very nature to fork in to the background
[11:58] <wickedpuppy> i suppose kill or killall will do ...
[11:58] <mwe> edgy: and you want to type sudo <program>& to start it in the bagground to get back to the prompt
[11:58] <edgy> mwe, RyEINic: sendmail is a daemon too and it would respond to Ctrl+C
[11:59] <Seveas> edgy, to debug: ensable the most verbose logging and tail -f the logfile
[11:59] <edgy> Seveas: the issue is Ctrl+C _should_ be able to kill all programs that launched in the foreground why only mysqld is different
[11:59] <mwe> edgy: most daemons come with a startup file in /etc/init.d/ that you want to use to start it
[12:00] <Seveas> edgy, applications are free to ignore that signal
[12:00] <Seveas> and mysqld SHOULD not just be killed by it
[12:00] <edgy> Seveas: really? can you give an example of another app that did it?
[12:00] <Seveas> edgy, anything that has to store state before shutting down
[12:00] <mesut> anyone using ubuntu on powerpc ?
[12:01] <Seveas> !anyone > mesut
[12:01] <djuuss> !anyone
[12:01] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:01] <edgy> Seveas: store state? can you explain this please
[12:01] <Seveas> edgy, if mysql just quits, your database will likely become very inconsistent
[12:01] <Seveas> it will ahve to flush its buffers
[12:02] <edgy> Seveas: Ctrl+C sends SIGTERM not SIGKILL so it should be able to save the buffers,no?
[12:02] <Seveas> yes
[12:02] <Seveas> but that means it won't instantaneously quit
[12:03] <edgy> Seveas: I don't expect it to quit instantaneously but it should quit any way
[12:03] <edgy> Seveas: the situation now it doesn't
[12:03] <mwe> edgy: rcconf ignores ctrl-c as well
[12:04] <oskude> edgy: isnt that an issue you should be talking with the mysql people ? (or does this happen only on ubuntu)
[12:04] <wickedpuppy> edgy, why not ask it to mysql developers ?
[12:04] <Seveas> edgy, then read the mysql docs -- it probably has its reasons for ignoring TERM completely
[12:04] <nold222> my real problem is my dns, how
[12:04] <edgy> mwe: but rcconf is a curse application. I won't expect gui's to quit with it
[12:04] <mwe> you don't run mysqld like that anyway
[12:04] <nold222> daverocks
[12:05] <Daverocks> nold222: yes?
[12:05] <edgy> oskude, wickedpupp: i tried there but also no one can tell me and this gave me the impression it related to linux more than mysql ;)
[12:05] <mwe> edgy: anyway, like Seveas said programs are free to ignore the signal
[12:06] <nold222> huh,,sory, there is panic here, i tot our building got fire
[12:06] <wickedpuppy> edgy, then try it on other distros see if there is a same reaction ... if so then nope its the program ignoring the TERM so mysql developers should know this
[12:06] <nold222> daverock
[12:06] <Daverocks> nold222: yeesss, what is it?
[12:06] <kakalto> I can't change my timezone to GMT+13 (or GMT+12+DST
[12:07] <kakalto> )
[12:07] <XCTest> Hi all.
[12:07] <nold222> how cud i do that
[12:08] <RyEINic> it ignores keyboard input but a sigterm does kill it
[12:08] <Daverocks> nold222: have you tested dns with basic things like "host google.com"?
[12:08] <XCTest> Is possible to install xchat 2.6.6 on my ubuntu 5.10? This ubuntu runs on PowerBook G3...
[12:08] <nold222> yuh
[12:08] <hazexp_> yes
[12:08] <dennis-> hey folks
[12:09] <Daverocks> nold222: and that doesn't work?
[12:09] <dennis-> why does ls does not sort lexicographically? my dotfiles are intermingled with all other files instead of being on top of them. how do i change that?
[12:09] <XCTest> If yes, then where I can download the package of Xchar 2.6.6?
[12:09] <Madpilot> enough op spam ;)
[12:09] <nold222> yah, lyk this one,, now i left, i restating my internet b 4 i used again
[12:10] <edgy> wickedpuppy: yes you are right. if it's in all distros, I should ask them why mysql ignores the Ctrl-C signal as explained by Seveas
[12:10] <wickedpuppy> edgy, if you got the answer pls come back to tell us why .. thanks
[12:10] <manni18> p!m04msUHW!Pg;#}N/[PA= #w<=FTGk
[12:10] <manni18>                                                                        |vo_4h?Vy9xc,@n4OLf=[?T~    c%.LYVLJ;#6+6o1>\b{_mt2w(<
[12:10] <manni18> =iV3f~@hYs        qgp4|4swsEdix;WafPc
[12:10] <manni18>        i`] hTI;xLwo9a'o
[12:10] <XCTest> It's nice to see a Server without Chanserv... :)
[12:10] <manni18> 'HXtWO;zz-P(@Q
[12:10] <manni18>                                &2S
[12:10] <manni18> wtf is that?
[12:10] <manni18> i have that in my terminal
[12:10] <edgy> RyEINic: yes and that's what made it nonsense for me
[12:10] <manni18> and i cant read the other shit
[12:11] <manni18> how to fix?
[12:11] <Madpilot> manni18, do NOT paste here
[12:11] <Madpilot> !paste
[12:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:11] <manni18> ok
[12:11] <nold222> daverock
[12:11] <manni18> but what is it?
[12:11] <lazzareth> Gday folks Does anyone reccoment a good asus motherboard with atleast 6 sata; 2 ata; 1gbit nic; pci-e; supports socket 478 (amd athlon 64bit 3200+)   ? Linux firendly.. mine just died today :D
[12:11] <RyEINic> it's not meant to listen to anything you type though :)
[12:11] <nold222> can ask other one
[12:11] <XCTest> Can someone reply me pllease?
[12:11] <Daverocks> nold222: yes, sorry, i didn't understand what your last question was
[12:11] <lazzareth> 'recommend
[12:11] <dennis-> why does ls does not sort lexicographically? my dotfiles are intermingled with all other files instead of being on top of them. how do i change that?
[12:11] <Madpilot> XCTest, hmm?
[12:12] <Daverocks> nold222: have you got the name of the interface like i was asking before?
[12:12] <XCTest> Is possible to install xchat 2.6.6 on my ubuntu 5.10? This ubuntu runs on PowerBook G3...
[12:12] <XCTest> If yes, then where I can download the package of Xchar 2.6.6?
[12:12] <Madpilot> manni18, did you run 'cat' on something?
[12:12] <nold222> yuh
[12:12] <lazzareth> 'friendly
[12:12] <manni18> i did run cat /dev/random
[12:12] <manni18> why?
[12:12] <Daverocks> manni18: well, that's expected
[12:12] <hazexp_> XCTest: Do you have 'alien' installed?
[12:12] <Madpilot> manni18, that'll do it. type 'reset' to reset
[12:12] <hazexp_> because you can download the RPM from here: http://www.xchat.org/files/binary/rpm/
[12:12] <railz> does anyone know where to get suitable images for a skydome image for compiz?
[12:12] <manni18> but i dont want to reset
[12:12] <Madpilot> XCTest, Ubuntu 6.06.1 has XChat 2.6.1
[12:12] <nold222> daverocks can i ask your mail
[12:12] <hazexp_> then use alien to convert it to a DEB
[12:12] <timalot> why no changelogs in the update manager????
[12:13] <wickedpuppy> ?
[12:13] <Daverocks> nold222: sorry, don't give it out publicly
[12:13] <nold222> k
[12:13] <wickedpuppy> then what do you want manni18 ? if you do not want to fix it ...
[12:13] <manni18> i want another fix
[12:13] <XCTest> hazexp_, Madpilot I cant install ubuntu 6.06.1... It isnt for macs...
[12:13] <manni18> i got sensitive data there
[12:13] <nold222> cayote, can you help me how to insy=tall this
[12:13] <manni18> in my console
[12:13] <nold222> install
[12:14] <Madpilot> manni18, the fix *is* to type 'reset'
[12:14] <wickedpuppy> manni18, i don't think /dev/random output is sensitive
[12:14] <manni18> but i dont want to loose data
[12:14] <manni18> please
[12:14] <Madpilot> XCTest, there is a PPC version of 6.06.1...
[12:14] <manni18> i cant read it anymore
[12:14] <manni18> i got my password there
[12:14] <manni18> and stuff
[12:14] <Daverocks> manni18: the data that was on screen in your console?
[12:14] <manni18> yes
[12:14] <Madpilot> !enter
[12:14] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[12:15] <nold222> k
[12:15] <timalot> !nerd
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nerd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <hazexp_> XCTest: you don't need to install 6.06.1 to install 'alien'
[12:15] <nold222> cayote any help pls
[12:15] <nold222> daverock
[12:15] <hazexp_> which can be used to install XChat from this:
[12:15] <hazexp_> http://www.xchat.org/files/binary/rpm/
[12:15] <Daverocks> nold222: yes, did you try restarting the interface?
[12:15] <XCTest> hazexp_, what is alien please?
[12:15] <nold222> yup
[12:15] <edgy> wickedpuppy: sure
[12:15] <kakalto> how can I add an hour to my clock from the CLI?
[12:15] <Daverocks> nold222: and? still dns doesn't work?
[12:16] <kakalto> s/CLI/command line
[12:16] <edgy> dennis-: it ignores the dots
[12:16] <mesut> Seveas: i want to know if there is a ppc channel for ubuntu
[12:16] <Seveas> mesut, there is not
[12:16] <nold222> 8s running now, but as soon as i restarted my cpu at all, all goes nothing
[12:16] <hazexp_> XCTest, it converts RPM files to DEB files, usable by Ubuntu's package manager
[12:16] <hazexp_> to obtain alien, simply sudo apt-get install alien
[12:16] <timalot> powertrip anyone?
[12:16] <XCTest> hazexp_, wow... That's sound good :)
[12:17] <mesut> Seveas: then i want to know if aiglx packages exist for dapper-ppc
[12:17] <XCTest> hazexp_, can you give me the URL of alien please?
[12:17] <wickedpuppy> XCTest, alien is in the repo ..
[12:17] <Seveas> mesut, aiglx there are no official aiglx packages for edgy, you'll need to ask the people who create the unofficial ones
[12:17] <nold222> k
[12:17] <manni18> eat my vagina Seveas
[12:17] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[12:17] <hazexp_> XCTest, you don't need a URL, simply 'sudo apt-get install alien' from the terminal
[12:17] <Seveas> cs kb manni18
[12:17] <elkbuntu> o.O
[12:18] <elkbuntu> oh, another of those
[12:18] <Seveas> the same
[12:18] <Seveas> someone unbanned him
[12:18] <wickedpuppy> i don't know she was a girl ..
[12:18] <Daverocks> nold222: as in, it stops working when you restart, or stops when you leave it idle and come back later?
[12:18] <hazexp_> XCTest, now download the RPM for XChat from here: http://www.xchat.org/files/binary/rpm/
[12:18] <XCTest> hazexp_, thanks... But where I can find all this tips ;) ?
[12:18] <Seveas> hazexp_, don't give crap advise
[12:19] <Seveas> using rpms on ubuntu should be avoided whenever possible
[12:19] <Seveas> and using an rpm for xchat is nowhere near neccessary
[12:19] <Seveas> XCTest, those particular tips can be found in the 'what not to do on Ubuntu' section ;)
[12:20] <XCTest> Seveas, Thanks .. ;)
[12:20] <hazexp_> Seveas, I was only trying to help, sorry for the "poor" advice
[12:21] <kakalto> could anyone help?
[12:21] <kakalto> please?
[12:21] <XCTest> Anyway, sudo apt-get install alien give me some errors... Fuck,,,
[12:21] <timalot> kakalto: i only give crap advice sorry.
[12:21] <kakalto> timalot: hey, if you have any advice on my situation, that'd be kinda nice
[12:22] <timalot> kakalto: i might get told off... but fire the question?
[12:22] <kakalto> uh
[12:22] <kakalto> said it a few mins ago
[12:22] <kakalto> wait up
[12:22] <dennda> hi. did anyone succesfully install a lexmark z45 printer?
[12:22] <lazzareth> I want to install edgy eft on my flash drive, but via the update method.. there wont be enough room to download the updates however.. what directory do i need to bind to my local hard drive ?
[12:22] <kakalto> how can I add an hour to my clock from the command line? I have no GUI
[12:22] <XCTest> Guys, please, another way to install Xchat 2.6.6 ?
[12:23] <timalot> kakalto: the date command running as root will do it
[12:23] <kakalto> guess I'll just man it
[12:23] <timalot> date MMDDhhmm
[12:23] <Madpilot> XCTest, wait a couple of weeks, Edgy will have XChat 2.6.6 when it releases near the end of the month
[12:23] <edgy> dennis-: what do you exactly want to do?
[12:23] <oskude> XCTest: well, dapper seems to have  2.6.1-0ubuntu2, so you may have to compile it yourself... if you really really need that particular version...
[12:24] <nold222> daverock gtg, hope next time we can chat
[12:24] <edgy> dennis-: may be you want an output like LC_ALL=C ls -a
[12:24] <Daverocks> nold222: k
[12:24] <Daverocks> he's gone, meh :P
[12:24] <RyEINic> i have xchat 2.6.6 on dapper probably because i'm using backports
[12:25] <Seveas> RyEINic, most likely
[12:25] <XCTest> Madpilot, oskude ok thanks... So next question please: where aI can find all the ubuntu distos for ppc?
[12:26] <oskude> XCTest: are thy not on the download page ?
[12:26] <Madpilot> XCTest, http://www.ubuntu.com/download - look for the ppc ISOs
[12:26] <XCTest> Ok, thanks. ;)
[12:26] <lara_> hola
[12:26] <Seveas> hi
[12:27] <XCTest> hola lara_ :)
[12:27] <elias_> what is the best way to get a hardware overview (cpu, chipsets, ... whatever) on the console so I can post it in a bug report?
[12:28] <Seveas> %reload Encyclopedia
[12:28] <ubotu> OK
[12:28] <Seveas> !xchat dapper-backports
[12:28] <Grey> elias_, lshw
[12:28] <Seveas> yay, bot bug :/
[12:28] <XCTest> I have to go now... Thanks for all guys. See you.
[12:29] <lara_> hola
[12:30] <lara_> ablamos en
[12:31] <Madpilot> !es
[12:31] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:34] <edgy> wickedpuppy, Seveas: I just found on google that passing --gdb option to mysqld would allow it to respond to ^C ;)
[12:36] <triplc> hello every one
[12:37] <d_tech> hi
[12:37] <Seveas> hi
[12:38] <wickedpuppy> edgy, thanks ... --gdb huh ? gnu debugger ?
[12:38] <d_tech> I have a problem I just install ubuntu and I am a programer in php. I must work on files on remote serwers. how can I do this ? I install Quanta but i can't log in a remote place :(
[12:39] <Ackeubu_> !help gcc
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help gcc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <Ackeubu_> !show gcc
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about show gcc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <Ackeubu_> !gcc
[12:39] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:39] <wickedpuppy> !gcc
[12:39] <triplc> please help me: i've just install sympa on ubuntu (sympa is the mailing list program which is in ubuntu repo). how ever it does not seem to work. i do not know whether to ask the question here in this channel. all the installation seems ok. but when i open the website "https://lists.hanoictt.com/wws" it has Error 500 (internal error). Running the perl program manualy from ssh console (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/sympa/wwsympa.fcgi) is perfectly okay
[12:39] <Ackeubu_> !view gcc
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about view gcc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <triplc> (lists.hanoictt.com is that computer)
[12:40] <KenSentMe> d_tech: you can use nautilus to connect to remote servers. Go to locations and Connect to server
[12:40] <chamo> hello
[12:40] <KenSentMe> d_tech: then you can use gedit to open the files
[12:40] <Ackeubu_> wickedpuppy: you didnt a command before gcc before. giveng the current version #
[12:40] <d_tech> KenSentMe: I dit that and I have a ICO on my desktop
[12:40] <wickedpuppy> !info gcc
[12:40] <ubotu> gcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.0.3-1 (dapper), package size 4 kB, installed size 64 kB
[12:40] <Ackeubu_> info thanks
[12:40] <d_tech> and that ist id doesent show on Quanta when I browse
[12:40] <wickedpuppy> why not ask us Ackeubu_  ? :P
[12:40] <aFx> where is Proftpd(package) down ?
[12:41] <Ackeubu_> sry
[12:41] <wickedpuppy> Ackeubu_, its ok .. it was just a kick after all .. not a ban
[12:41] <KenSentMe> d_tech: well, that's a problem that i have too. Some programs use it, others don't use the servers from nautilus
[12:42] <d_tech> KenSentMe: waht ?! so what program support nutilus ?
[12:42] <Ackeubu_> hehe
[12:42] <KenSentMe> d_tech: gedit
[12:42] <Ackeubu_> !view bot
[12:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about view bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:42] <Ackeubu_> !bot
[12:42] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:42] <Seveas> apparently he doesn't learn...
[12:42] <triplc> (oh bot?)
[12:43] <wickedpuppy> ... i did told him it was just a kick .. sigh
[12:43] <oskude> Seveas: maybe someone should change all occurances of !foobar to /msg ubotu foobar in the factoids...
[12:43] <d_tech> KenSentMe: it is a joke, I ned self completition and other stuff :/
[12:44] <KenSentMe> d_tech: i know, but i don't have another solution
[12:44] <gnomefreak> oskude: dont give him any ideas :(
[12:44] <d_tech> :/ whell and that was it about ubuntu for humans :(
[12:44] <d_tech> maybe for humans but not for programers.
[12:44] <Seveas> d_tech, programmers use vim ;)
[12:45] <oskude> gnomefreak: i mean, the first people see is !foobar, and then they get mocked cause of using that... but yes, spamming (what ever) is not ok anyway...
[12:45] <d_tech> yes, but not me. I don't have time to lear how to use it.
[12:45] <chamo> question
[12:45] <chamo> is there a way to force update via apt-get ?
[12:45] <chamo> I have 30 packet not updated
[12:45] <d_tech> but ok thx
[12:45] <d_tech> and by.
[12:45] <chamo> and -f doesnt help
[12:46] <Seveas> chamo, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <gnomefreak> oskude: that wasnt his first time he has been wanred
[12:46] <chamo> it says 0, 0,0 and 30 not updated!
[12:46] <chamo> still!
[12:46] <gnomefreak> chamo: -f isnt force in apt
[12:46] <triplc> someone please kindly help me how to get sympa work
[12:46] <triplc> please help me: i've just install sympa on ubuntu (sympa is the mailing list program which is in ubuntu repo). how ever it does not seem to work. i do not know whether to ask the question here in this channel. all the installation seems ok. but when i open the website "https://lists.hanoictt.com/wws" it has Error 500 (internal error). Running the perl program manualy from ssh console (/usr/lib/cgi-bin/sympa/wwsympa.fcgi) is perfectly okay
[12:47] <triplc> chamo, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:47] <O2> Hello, every one!
[12:47] <oskude> triplc: i doubt anyone use sympa here... so you would have more luck in sympa related room/list/forum ...
[12:47] <chamo> triplc: this doesnt work as just said.
[12:47] <O2> I am O2.
[12:47] <chamo> gnomefreak: any other idea ?
[12:48] <triplc> chamo, so, just use aptitude
[12:48] <gnomefreak> chamo: sudo apt-get update thank run sudo apt-get dist upgrade and please pastebin the output of both commands
[12:48] <O2> I think ubuntu is my O2, :P
[12:49] <triplc> chamo, sometime i cannot get apt-get to work, i use aptitude, press "U" then "g" then "g"... (sorry, i am not apt-get expert)
[12:50] <edgy> wickedpuppy: yes
[12:50] <chamo> trying...
[12:51] <webben> When I plugin in my usb DVD drive, a dvc
[12:51] <webben> dvdrecord folder appears in /media
[12:51] <webben> how to I find out what /dev this is?
[12:51] <deadly_venom> "linux noprobe" is equivalent to what in Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <edgy> webben: mount may be
[12:52] <Seveas> deadly_venom, what's noprobe supposed to do?
[12:52] <triplc> webben, can you run "mount" to see which device is mounted as which folder?
[12:52] <dennda> hi. did anyone succesfully install a lexmark z45 printer?
[12:52] <deadly_venom> Seveas it's a method of supporting a hardware that is newer than the installation,
[12:54] <suspectkboss> is this the right place to ask newbie questions?
[12:55] <Seveas> suspectkboss, yes
[12:55] <gnomefreak> chamo: is this a upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[12:56] <swilliamson> anyone hav any tip0s to figure out why the screensaer is not working on my dapper laptop, I cannot lock the screen either
[12:56] <gnomefreak> chamo: and the 30 not upgraded are under the heldback part?
[12:56] <chamo> yep
[12:56] <gnomefreak> chamo: and 95% of them are python
[12:56] <suspectkboss> okay. i have a problem changing screen resolutions. i'm using version 6.01 on an intel386 with a nvidia 7600 gs card. i can't go above 1024x768. any hints?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> chamo: sudo apt-get install package package package ......   replace package with the name of the package
[12:57] <gnomefreak> chamo: please use #ubuntu+1 for edgy
[12:57] <gnomefreak> brb smoke and coffee
[12:58] <chamo> :)
[12:58] <Seveas> suspectkboss, did you install the proprietary drivers?
[12:58] <suspectkboss> ahh ... no. what are those?
[12:59] <Seveas> !nvidia
[12:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:59] <Seveas> see what ubotu just said suspectkboss
[12:59] <suspectkboss> ok
[12:59] <suspectkboss> i'll check it out. thanks.
[01:00] <myesterious> Actually, Program installation with compiling from src , Can it specifies cpu model ? (such as add option 686 when use ./configure)
[01:00] <pulltab> Hi, postfix is not sending mail, how do I debug/fix it? I'm using ubuntu 6.06
[01:01] <Seveas> pulltab, check your logs
[01:01] <suspectkboss> i have another question. do i need to download gcc and emacs, or are they there on the cd?
[01:02] <pulltab> Seveas, what logs do i check, sorry
[01:02] <Seveas> suspectkboss, gcc is, emacs not. You can install them with the pcackage manager
[01:02] <Seveas> pulltab, /var/log/mail*
[01:03] <suspectkboss> how do i see what stuff is there on the cd?
[01:03] <suspectkboss> ok
[01:03] <swilliamson> anyone know what logs to look at when gnome is no lading the screensaver, already check messages
[01:04] <gnomefreak> swilliamson: first make sure you have it set to use a screensaver
[01:04] <gnomefreak> swilliamson: also what version of ubuntu?
[01:05] <deadly_venom> If sudo is for root , then what is gksudo ?
[01:05] <swilliamson> dapper i686smp screensave is on if I goto prefs>screensaver
[01:05] <chamo> gksudo is for choosing user running the task
[01:06] <chamo> and for graphic instances
[01:06] <chamo> brb dinner
[01:06] <gnomefreak> gksudo is sudo for gtk apps
[01:06] <Ramunas> hello :)
[01:07] <deadly_venom> why can't i just type -> sudo ? is it necessary to use gksudo?
[01:07] <chronoAZ> can anyone tell me what i need to send mail using phps mail() function (on ubuntu + apache 2 + php)
[01:07] <suspectkboss> can i use kde with ubuntu?
[01:08] <kyja> gksudo is good for if you write a script or a menu item. without terminal it will propt for pass with a dialog.
[01:09] <gnomefreak> suspectkboss: yes
[01:09] <gnomefreak> suspectkboss: install kubuntu-desktop package and than you are able to choose what one you  want to use on the login screen
[01:09] <oskude> deadly_venom: you should use sudo for commandline programs, and gksudo for graphical programs... (afaik)
[01:09] <kyja> suspectkboss, you can install kde fluxbox or other window managers and can choose at login.
[01:10] <suspectkboss> ok... and how do i set kde as default? can i do that?
[01:10] <Seveas> yes, it will ask you whether you want it as default
[01:11] <suspectkboss> ok.
[01:11] <suspectkboss> thanks!
[01:11] <kyja> suspectkboss, at opon loging in it will ask if you want that to be your default choice or not.
[01:11] <kyja> lol
[01:11] <chronoAZ> what do i need to send mail using php mail() function?
[01:11] <hawkaloogie> chronoAZ, usually sendmail
[01:11] <SpComb> or an smtp server
[01:11] <hawkaloogie> chronoAZ, ask ##php, it's probably a configuration problem
[01:11] <Seveas> chronoAZ, either a locally installed mailserver or the details of a remote one in php.ini
[01:12] <chronoAZ> just installed apache 2 and php packages, didnt configure them from the default
[01:14] <kyja> #ubuntu user list towers over #debian by 227
[01:14] <kyja> neat
[01:18] <tcr> I just installed edgy. Why doesn't the libpcap package (that ships with it) create a default libpcap.so symlink, but only installs libpcap.so.0.8 in /usr/lib?
[01:18] <kyja> :/ ?
[01:18] <kyja> #ubuntu+1
[01:19] <tcr> kyja: was that comment directed at me?
[01:19] <yakumo> hello
[01:19] <oskude> !edgy > tcr
[01:19] <kyja> sorry yes tcr, the edgy help is at #ubuntu+1
[01:20] <yakumo> how do i uninstall rpm program which is install on my ubuntu
[01:20] <tiny> just installing ubuntu on a spare partition on my lappie ... it's installing system atm ... when do you pick your software? Or it installs default one
[01:20] <fyrestrtr> tiny: it installs whatever you have on the livecd.
[01:20] <kyja> tcr, was only thinking you might get help there for that.
[01:21] <tiny> fyrestrtr: so there's no options there to pick WM, etc
[01:21] <tcr> yes, thanks kyja. your comment was just a bit... err, cryptic for an outsider.
[01:21] <fyrestrtr> tiny: not from the livecd, from the alternate cd you can.
[01:21] <kyja> hehe sorry
[01:21] <tiny> fyrestrtr: oh I see
[01:21] <tiny> fyrestrtr: what about the DVD?
[01:22] <fyrestrtr> tiny: don't know -- but if its a livedvd, then I suspect it will be the same. Either way, you can install whatever WM suits your fancy once you have the base system in place.
[01:22] <yakumo> is there any software that convert avi to mp4 on ubuntu
[01:22] <fyrestrtr> tiny: so even if you have ubuntu, you can install kde or fluxbox.
[01:22] <fyrestrtr> yakumo: mplayer
[01:22] <deadly_venom> Anyone used ndiswrapper ?
[01:22] <tiny> there's ubuntu WM?
[01:23] <yakumo> thnks
[01:23] <fyrestrtr> tiny: no, ubuntu comes with gnome.
[01:23] <tiny> figures yeah
[01:23] <fyrestrtr> tiny: kubuntu is ubuntu with kde.
[01:23] <tiny> livecd look gnomish
[01:23] <tiny> i wanna ubuntu + fluxbox
[01:23] <tiny> that's all
[01:24] <fyrestrtr> tiny: then use the alternate cd, install the basic system (type server at the boot: prompt) then install fluxbox.
[01:24] <kyja> then sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[01:24] <kyja> or maybe sudo apt-get install fluxubuntu
[01:24] <fyrestrtr> nah, no such thing as fluxubuntu
[01:25] <oskude> that reminds me, will there be like "ubuntu-base/minimal" ? (or should we use server image for that)
[01:25] <tiny> okies ty mates
[01:25] <fyrestrtr> oskude: use the alternate cd if you want to control what gets installed.
[01:25] <tiny> yep I wanna control! :)
[01:25] <oskude> fyrestrtr: oh, it can do just like debian base ? didnt notice :/
[01:26] <fyrestrtr> the alternate cd has the text mode installer, plus other configuration options not available on the 'desktop' aka live cd.
[01:27] <fyrestrtr> oskude: the easiest way to get base system is to boot from the alternate install cd, and type 'server' at the boot prompt.
[01:27] <oskude> fyrestrtr: ok, that was the answer to (or should we use server image for that) :)
[01:27] <fyrestrtr> that gives you most of the userspace tools, no X. Basically everything you need to run a headless environment. Then if you want gnome you instal ubuntu-desktop, if you want kde you install kde-desktop, if you want fluxbox you install fluxbox etc.
[01:28] <oskude> fyrestrtr: or is alternate cd "server" != server cd ?
[01:28] <fyrestrtr> the server cd is something else, its like the alternate cd, but with some server-only things, like a one-shot command to install the LAMP stack.
[01:29] <fyrestrtr> for the most flexible options, choose alternate. For the easiest install, choose desktop. If you are going to run the LAMP stack, choose the server cd.
[01:31] <tiny> fyrestrtr: I appreciate this explanation ... this should be out there on ubuntu pages right at the start of DL page .. to sort of hit you in the face ... with links to download sections
[01:31] <oskude> fyrestrtr: and if youre bored, use debootstrap ;)
[01:32] <tiny> heh .. of course ... live cd installed GRUB and over my old setup .. hee
[01:32] <tiny> h
[01:32] <kishore> hi all
[01:34] <vegiVamp> grrrrr @ update
[01:34] <Decadent> how can i open a *.chm fyle??
[01:34] <Decadent> *file
[01:34] <vegiVamp> adept seemed stuck at 1% with this weekend's updates
[01:35] <vegiVamp> turns out you need to open the details to notice the new skype package waiting for you to read the license agreement
[01:35] <fyrestrtr> Decadent: with a chm viewer, like xchm
[01:35] <vegiVamp> debconf++
[01:35] <unfknblvbl> !realmedia
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realmedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <unfknblvbl> !mp3
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:35] <Decadent> ok thanks
[01:37] <ahfeel> hi all
[01:37] <ahfeel> could anybody help me with installing a gaim plugin ?
[01:37] <ahfeel> the ./configure goes ok, i've installed gaim-dev
[01:37] <ahfeel> but make doesn't work, i get this :
[01:38] <Draco> hi all, is it possible to use a live cd but somehow load the network configuration when live cd boots ?
[01:38] <ahfeel> http://rafb.net/paste/results/GttIvK73.html
[01:40] <oskude> ahfeel: error: cipher.h: No such file or directory
[01:41] <Ash-Fox> How does one start java webstart under Ubuntu? I tried 'javaws', but I get a 'Splash: sysCreateListenerSocket failed: No such file or directory'
[01:41] <ahfeel> yeah i saw but
[01:41] <ahfeel> i don't know what package i should get to correct that
[01:42] <oskude> ahfeel: well, the readme of the program you try to compile should say that...
[01:42] <unfknblvbl> what package do i install for realmedia files (i don't want the realplayer) and i've read the restricted formats
[01:43] <oskude> ahfeel: or you could try your luck with "apt-file search cipher.h"
[01:44] <ahfeel> oskude: oki !
[01:44] <ahfeel> thanks :)
[01:44] <Draco> hi all, is it possible to use a live cd but somehow load the network configuration when live cd boots ?
[01:44] <livingdaylight> people aleady using Edgy in a stable manner?
[01:44] <livingdaylight> Is Edgy ready yet for the desktop?
[01:44] <oskude> livingdaylight: no
[01:44] <livingdaylight> is Edgy stable and functional enough to use?
[01:45] <livingdaylight> oskude: no?  :(
[01:45] <oskude> livingdaylight: "<livingdaylight> is Edgy stable and functional enough to use?" maybe
[01:45] <fyrestrtr> Draco: the livecd tries to autoconfigure any detected network devices.
[01:45] <oskude> livingdaylight: what do you think why its beta ?
[01:45] <fyrestrtr> livingdaylight: no, its not recommended for day-to-day use.
[01:47] <Draco> fyrestrtr, yes but it uses dhcp on a non dhcp network causing IP address conflicts
[01:48] <Draco> i would like to be able to specify the IP address, gateway and proxy server for the live cd
[01:56] <tiny> fyrestrtr: fluxbuntu: http://www.fluxbuntu.com/
[01:56] <tiny> just found it
[01:58] <aFx> which editer does here user use much(emacs,vi,pico,etc.) ?
[01:58] <aFx> i am newbie
[01:59] <oskude> aFx: nano
[01:59] <ChocoCid> gedit
[01:59] <aFx> nano?
[01:59] <oskude> !nano > aFx
[02:00] <tiny> aFx: for newbies nano, but learn vim and master editing
[02:00] <aFx> tiny : ok
[02:01] <AnAnt> anyone knows the difference between -386 & -generic kernels ?
[02:01] <Chousuke> vimtutor is nice. :)
[02:01] <david83> right
[02:01] <lastnode> AnAnt, i just replied you no? :-)
[02:01] <AnAnt> lastnode: u told me to ask here ?
[02:02] <lastnode> AnAnt, i also answered it before i asked you to ask in here :-)
[02:02] <tiny> Chousuke: yep but I like this vim tutorial better: http://www.vi-improved.org/tutorial.php
[02:03] <AnAnt> lastnode: k, thanks
[02:03] <hydro> hello all
[02:03] <hydro> I have what is probably a silly question but hope someone can help ...
[02:03] <lastnode> !ask
[02:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:04] <hydro> I want to use, in Dapper Drake, Synaptic Package Manager, to download a Package ... but the Package is not the most current version. Is there anyway to get the most current version of the Package into my instance of Dapper Drake's package repository which will then be read by Synaptic Package Manager?
[02:05] <hydro> ubotu: thanks -- you're right, that's kind of silly to ask to ask a question
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks -- you're right, that's kind of silly to ask to ask a question - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <lastnode> hybrid, ubotu is a bot, not a real person
[02:05] <lastnode> hybrid, which package?
[02:05] <hydro> lastnode: ugh!
[02:05] <oskude> hydro: and you need that "most current version" cause of an missing feature, or just cause its "most current version" ?
[02:06] <hydro> oskude: because I just want the "most current version" ... which seems to be a few versions later than the version listed in the package manager
[02:06] <hydro> lastnode: the wacom-tools ... I have a Tablet PC
[02:06] <oskude> hydro: ok ...
[02:07] <lastnode> !info wacom-tools dapper
[02:07] <ubotu> wacom-tools: utilities for wacom tablets and other hid devices. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 36 kB, installed size 172 kB
[02:07] <lastnode> !info wacom-tools edgy
[02:07] <hydro> the version of wacom-tools in Dapper Drake is 0.7.2 but on the web site its listed as 0.7.4
[02:07] <ubotu> wacom-tools: utilities for wacom tablets and other hid devices. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.7.2-0ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 172 kB
[02:07] <lastnode> hydro, the maintainer has not updated it, :\
[02:07] <lastnode> you can compile from source, i guess
[02:07] <hydro> lastnode well, maybe I can live without 0.7.4 ... maybe its not that big of a deal
[02:07] <mAIJK> Hello. I want to install Linux on my computer, problem is that I do not have an CD-Rom. How can I boot from LAN and install that way? I have one Win XP machine that can host a ISO file or something like that... help??
[02:07] <hydro> thanks lastnode
[02:08] <lnx> lo
[02:09] <lnx> is there a Breezy badger backports ftp site where vlc player sitting? pls
[02:11] <oskude> lnx, looked here ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:13] <lnx> oskude: yes but there was too much dependency problems...
[02:14] <lnx> whed vlc dpkg -i 'ed
[02:14] <lnx> when*
[02:14] <oskude> lnx: dpkg -i ? you should use apt-get ...
[02:14] <lnx> k 'll try tx.
[02:16] <david83> lnx, i can find the vlc over apt-get but didn't got backports enabled just with the breezy breezy-updates and breezy-security on universe and multiverse
[02:17] <tombo> hi, got a problem with apt, the file libapache-mod-ssl: usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-ssl/examples/sign.sh on my system is missing, so I decided to reinstall the entire package:
[02:18] <deadly_venom> how do find my hostname of my ubuntu?
[02:18] <tombo> with apt-get install -reinstal t: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7]
[02:18] <spoilerhead> deadly_venom open a terminal, and type hostname
[02:18] <deadly_venom> spoilerhead ty
[02:18] <david83> hostname
[02:18] <jrib> deadly_venom: system > administration > networking > general,  will give you the info as well
[02:18] <tombo> [#ubuntu]  libapache-mod-ssl, ..
[02:20] <tombo> but this wants to install apache-common as well but I am using apache2 and do not want apache-common. Any Suggestions?
[02:21] <wickedpuppy> why don't ya want apache-common ?
[02:21] <LorandKA> anybody can cand me a url for the diskmounter script?
[02:21] <oskude> tombo: read "apt-cache show apache2-common" it says "This package contains all the standard apache2 modules, including SSL support."
[02:22] <david83> is it possible to give different users different /tmp directories?
[02:22] <wickedpuppy> david83, why ?
[02:22] <tombo> wickedpuppy,oskude, I do not want it apt-get forces me!
[02:22] <mAIJK> Hey, I have ubuntu on my comp and it does not work after my hardware change..  Can I reinstall ubuntu with APT-Get or something like that?
[02:23] <oskude> tombo: when you install what ?
[02:23] <wickedpuppy> tombo, because it has necessary packages ?
[02:23] <wickedpuppy> oskude, i assume he installed apache2
[02:23] <oskude> wickedpuppy: i doubt
[02:23] <tombo> wickedpuppy: exactly
[02:23] <orbin> mAIJK: what hardware change?
[02:23] <wickedpuppy> LOL
[02:23] <david83> wickedpuppy just for better cleaning up issues
[02:24] <mAIJK> orbin brand new computer but same HDD
[02:24] <mAIJK> I have tried to change in my xorg.conf
[02:24] <Homer_mobile> Hiya peeps
[02:24] <oskude> tombo: so, you did "sudo apt-get install apache2" and it tries to install "libapache-mod-ssl" too ?!
[02:24] <mAIJK> and installed nvidia drivers
[02:24] <mAIJK> but It doesn't work
[02:24] <mAIJK> I want a reinstall, feels better!
[02:24] <wickedpuppy> david83, cleaning up what ? actually if you go to /tmp there should be sub dirs with names ...
[02:25] <LorandKA> anyone can redirect me, where can I find the diskmounter script?
[02:25] <orbin> mAIJK: if X isn't working you probably just need to reconfigure the xorg package to detect the different video card
[02:25] <mAIJK> ok orbin. Can i make a autodetect?
[02:26] <orbin> mAIJK: the reconfigure script should autodetect the new card, yeah
[02:26] <david83> wickedpuppy i got different users on the machine and it makes conflicts because of some gnomefiles located in /tmp ;(
[02:26] <mAIJK> ok, where do I find this script?
[02:26] <wickedpuppy> oskude, i think he was installing apache2 and apt-get installs both apache2 + apache-common .. he wants to get apache2 but NOT apache-common ... is it right tombo ?
[02:27] <Homer_mobile> does anyone know if there is a x session manager for symbian smart phones i know there is for mobile windows
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> david83, and why you need to delete them ?
[02:27] <wickedpuppy> i am sorry .. i do not understand your point there
[02:28] <urakaipa> hi there, just a simple question: i would like to set different modes for directory and files, recursively. I mean files have to be readonly w/o execute permission and dir have to be rw with execution (so i can browse the content). There's a way?
[02:28] <tombo>  oskude: yes thats it, found know a work around I installed apache-common too, and its still lying there, I hope.
[02:28] <david83> wickedpuppy, sorry i mixed something no deletion is to be made
[02:28] <Dr_willis> urakaipa,  chmod -R whatever
[02:29] <wickedpuppy> david83, ok ..
[02:29] <Dr_willis> urakaipa,  man chmod --->  -R, --recursive
[02:29] <urakaipa> Dr_willis but how can i set mods just for dir without change files?
[02:29] <david83> wickedpuppy, i just had 2 users and when i log in with the first one i get a gnome-panel error that the second user got a lock on it
[02:30] <wickedpuppy> david83, type users ... how many names do you see ?
[02:30] <wickedpuppy> david83, or who
[02:30] <LorandKA> anybody, please, I can't find that diskmounter script :(
[02:30] <Dr_willis> urakaipa,  i would guess theres an option in  chmod, or one would use the find, command in addation to it.
[02:31] <wickedpuppy> i think find has it .. find with -exec
[02:31] <david83> wickedpuppy, the users aren't logged in at the same time
[02:31] <urakaipa> thx to both, i'm trying, stay tuned :)
[02:31] <Dr_willis> urakaipa,  looks like you would need to use find/chmod together
[02:32] <wickedpuppy> david83, can't be ... you only see your name when you do who ?
[02:32] <yccheok> hi, i try to download unrar, but i just cannot seach Synaptic Package Manager
[02:32] <yccheok> which repository i should added?
[02:33] <wickedpuppy> yccheok, system->admin->synaptic
[02:33] <oskude> yccheok: propably multiverse
[02:33] <jrib> ubotu: tell LorandKA about diskmounter
[02:33] <urakaipa> actually i never used find, so it would be possibile
[02:33] <Luc1> What application can edit pdf files?
[02:33] <david83> wickedpuppy, i don't know for sure i am asking this for another person but he said that they weren't logged in at the same time
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> david83, then ask him to do who .. at least come up with something .. we will see how things go
[02:34] <maxLF> Hey can someone show me the latest turtorial for installing W.O.W. in Linux?
[02:34] <david83> wickedpuppy, the two accounts were just sharing some files
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> you and me talking here won't solve anything
[02:34] <david83> wickedpuppy, ok thx
[02:34] <urakaipa> Dr_willis chmod doesn't care if it's a dir or a file. Do you already have the solution for using in combo with find?
[02:34] <yccheok> oskude: nope, i already have mutiverse, it just not there
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> so there were two accounts logged in ?
[02:34] <wickedpuppy> yccheok, universe ?
[02:34] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  You are refering to World of Warcraft?  check the Cedega message boards perhaps.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> urakaipa,  id have to google for examples.. i aint done it in years.
[02:35] <oskude> !info unrar
[02:35] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[02:35] <maxLF> I meant in wine. o_o Cedaga is like money
[02:35] <wickedpuppy> urakaipa, find -type f -exec chmod 755 * {}; or something like that ... test it first
[02:35] <oskude> yccheok: well, it IS in multiverse...
[02:35] <david83> wickedpuppy, he wanted to check the symlinks so if anything is mixed up with them
[02:36] <yccheok> oskude, u can find the non-free unrar there?
[02:36] <maxLF> Dr_willis I was kind of hoping to use it in Wine. :/ Not Cedaga seeing as you have to pay for it
[02:36] <oskude> yccheok: just read what ubotu said :/
[02:36] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  the same tricks will apply I guess. Ive given up on that Parasite WoW
[02:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:36] <Dr_willis> wine setup.exe and have at it.
[02:37] <maxLF> Dr_willis, meh someone gave it to me as a gift.
[02:37] <wickedpuppy> david83, really .. so does he have two users logged in or just one user ? and how do they share a file ?
[02:37] <maxLF> Dr_willis, i tried that and when it says replace the disk I click on the install for disc 2 nothing happens, I overwrite the files and nothing happens
[02:37] <pwk> hi
[02:37] <pwk> i'm setting up my part for ubntu
[02:37] <pwk> what should i format it with in xp
[02:37] <pwk> fat 32 ?
[02:37] <oskude> yccheok: and if you dont believe the bot :/ http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=unrar&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[02:38] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  copy ALL the cd's to a single directory.. then run the installer from that dir.
[02:38] <wickedpuppy> pwk, no just leave an empty partition ... ubuntu will format it
[02:38] <david83> wickedpuppy, sry he is still not chatting with me but i will ask him :) thx
[02:38] <pwk> k
[02:38] <pwk> bbbl
[02:38] <pwk> thanks
[02:38] <pwk> hope it goes well
[02:38] <wickedpuppy> david83, k
[02:38] <maxLF> Dr_willis, won't the files have the same name?
[02:39] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  ive installed it that way befor...
[02:39] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  why not Look. :P i dont memorize the install file names for games.. :)
[02:39] <maxLF> Dr_willis, no but I'm saying if they have the same name won't they try to replace each other?
[02:39] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  once ya do get it working.. expect a few hrs of downloads for updates..
[02:40] <maxLF> Dr_willis I dun mind.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  check the install cd files.. i have seen this trick done with MANY a game that comes on multi-cd
[02:40] <seishi> someone can help me with comands of compacted files convertion ?? (zip to tar.gz)
[02:40] <seishi> i've tried 'unzip -c file.zip | gzip -c > file.tar.gz
[02:41] <seishi> but when i try to open, it doesnt work
[02:41] <seishi> : |
[02:41] <Dr_willis> that sort of ignores the 'tar' aspect dont it? :)
[02:41] <mjr> seishi, no wonder, there's no tarring in there
[02:41] <Lasse|NOR> anyone know a good ftp client? something like smartFTP?
[02:41] <Dr_willis> !ftp
[02:41] <ubotu> FTP clients: gftp, konqueror, kbear, nautilus. FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd
[02:41] <ChaosFan> y/wg 30
[02:41] <Dr_willis> and others in the repos.. :)
[02:41] <Lasse|NOR> thanks
[02:41] <maxLF> Dr_willis so just copy them all to the same directory (i.e. same folder?)
[02:41] <mjr> seishi, you probably need to unzip into the filesystem and tar czf file.tar.gz files
[02:41] <seishi> hm..
[02:42] <Dr_willis> maxLF,  yes.. same DIRECORY.. 'folder' is for windows users. :P
[02:42] <mjr> seishi, you can't pipe multiple files like that
[02:42] <Dr_willis>  :)  *ducks*
[02:42] <seishi> mjr, i've suspected of that
[02:42] <Dr_willis> directory=folder
[02:42] <maxLF> Dr_willis, oh, sorry. xP I have been Windows free since about... o.O;; April of 06.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Heh heh... only the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
[02:43] <oskude> Dr_willis: directory = cli, folder = gui ?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> oskude,  but they are the same thing. :P so why bother with diffrent names.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> oskude,  ive seen this argued befor. :)
[02:44] <oskude> Dr_willis: the same reason why people bother to display them in gui ;P
[02:44] <Dr_willis> 'the icon looks like a folder' so its a folder..  what does a 'directory' look like.. ?
[02:44] <seishi> mjr, my base: "gunzip -c file.tar.gz | bzip2 -c > file.tar.bz2"  (tar.gz -> tar.bz2)
[02:44] <Dr_willis> oskude,  yea.. amuzing how the common names for them can be taken from windows - but terms like 'control panel' are not
[02:45] <lucien__> hi
[02:45] <Gabby_Hayes> and the fact that linux doesn't have a "blue screen of death"  either.
[02:45] <lucien__> is there a way to prevent a kernel module from being loaded (automatically)?
[02:45] <maxLF> I fxing hate the blue screen
[02:46] <Dr_willis> lucien_,  theres a modules.blacklist file that  can do that.
[02:46] <lucien__> Dr_willis: thx!
[02:46] <Dr_willis> I much perfer the AMIGA "Guru Mediation Error" screens
[02:47] <maxLF> Dr_willis, I'm getting same name problems
[02:47] <seishi> mjr, how can i do that?( convert .zip to .tar.gz)...
[02:48] <seishi> -.-
[02:48] <maxLF> Dr_willis, it's for InstallerTome or whatever, installer.exe, and installer Icon
[02:48] <mikesh> hi, do somebody play Lineage 2 on Ubuntu?