[18:07] <hxmuller> ioria: not client.conf not present there ..., just default.pa which points to /etc/pulse/default.pa
[18:08] <ioria> hxmuller,  touch one if not existing ?
[18:08] <dangelov> ioria: i had already tried that, and i tried radeon.runpm=0, though it's entirely possible i didn't add them on the correct line. By busted i mean broken, not working. I ran it disabled under win7, so the OS used the integrated one instead
[18:09] <hxmuller> blacklisting, but I don't know the current method for that
[18:09] <hxmuller> ioria: great idea, will  try
[18:09] <ioria> good luck
[18:10] <ioria> dangelov, what is , radeon ?
[18:11] <dangelov> yeah
[18:11] <ioria> dangelov, nouveau.modeset=0  edit the linux kernel line in grub
[18:11] <dangelov> ioria: ok, let me give it a try right now
[18:14] <hxmuller> I've managed to install Bionic Beaver on a B350M board with a Ryzen 3 2200g if anyone is interested.
[18:14] <ioria> dangelov, sorry mate ...  radeon.modeset=0
[18:16] <dangelov> ioria: np, radeon worked :) i got the logo to appear, thanks! i think the install will go through now
[18:16] <ioria> dangelov, ok
[18:19] <hxmuller> ioria: adding client.conf didn't work, I restarted the box, killed pulseaudio and it came back to life. I guess I have to look at gdm to see if there's some configuration there I can tinker  with
[18:20] <ioria> hxmuller, what did you put in /var/lib/gdm3/.pulse/client.conf   ?
[18:21] <Furai> Can you use newer Kernels with ubuntu? Or will that cause a lot of headaches?
[18:22] <lafleurdubien> Furai: you can if you're ok with it breaking your system occasionally.
[18:22] <Furai> I guess, I'm ok, I can always choose in grub other kernel to start system with, right/
[18:22] <Furai> /
[18:23] <lafleurdubien> Furai: I'd say if its in production or not backed up, don't upgrade Kernel.
[18:23] <lafleurdubien> you can as long as you don't delete the old kernel
[18:23] <Furai> Nah, just my desktop.
[18:23] <hxmuller> ioria: I copied /etc/pulse/client.conf contaiing 'autospawn = now' into /var/lib/gdm3/.pulse/
[18:23] <hxmuller> 'autospawn = no' that is
[18:23] <Furai> lafleurdubien, thanks, I'll try it out then some day.
[18:24] <ioria> hxmuller,  append   daemon-binary = /bin/true
[18:24] <lafleurdubien> there's a utitlity called  Ukuu that might be of assistance https://github.com/teejee2008/ukuu
[18:24] <hxmuller> Furai: depends. I use a stable kernel on this box, on my newer box, I have to use a development kernel
[18:25] <Furai> Do I need ukuu though? Can't I just download deb files from kernel.ubuntu.com and install those?
[18:25] <lafleurdubien> hxmuller: out of curiosity, what do you need dev kernel for?
[18:25] <lafleurdubien> @furai you sure can
[18:26] <Furai> I guess ukuu will just do all of that for me, which is probably better.
[18:26] <hxmuller> on my AB350M / Ryzen 3 2200g box, new firware and kernel code requires a fresh kernel
[18:26] <hxmuller> even fresher than Bionic Beaver
[18:27] <Furai> lafleurdubien, would you recommend using ukuu or going the manual way?
[18:27] <lafleurdubien> well that sounds zippy
[18:28] <lafleurdubien> Fural: If you don't need a gui, do it on the command line. Then you don't get dependent
[18:28] <hggdh> Furai: there are mainline kernels already built by the kernel team
[18:28] <hggdh> Furai: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[18:30] <Furai> How is this different from what people suggested so far?
[18:32] <hggdh> Furai: these kernels are alraady built, as DEB packages. They are purely upstream, no Ubuntu integration
[18:32] <hggdh> (they are mostly used to test if a bug is Ubuntu-specific or mainline
[18:41] <Furai> Hmm, anyway, I went with mainline from ukuu, 4.17.3. Works after reboot.
[18:42] <hggdh> Furai: just keep in mind mainline kernels do not have Ubuntu integration, and are absolutely NOT supported
[18:44] <hxmuller> ioria: daemon-binary = /bin/true didn't work. I added it in all places. I just searched /etc/gdm3 for all mentions of pulse and came up empty too.
[18:45] <Furai> Yeah, I'm aware.
[18:46] <ioria> hxmuller, https://www.debuntu.org/how-to-disable-pulseaudio-and-sound-in-gdm/
[18:46] <ioria> hxmuller, the proble might be ownershipof the file : chown gdm:gdm
[18:47] <hxmuller> ioria: just spotted that in the link  you provided, testing with fingers crossed.
[18:54] <hxmuller> ioria: thanks for your help, that link didn't help. but I just found the reference to pulse in: /var/lib/gdm3/.config/pulse/default.pa#!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF
[18:55] <hxmuller> I'm going to comment that out and see what happens
[18:55] <ioria> hxmuller, ok
[19:06] <blinksy> newbieQ: how do i change dns servers while still keeping dhcp on cli?
[19:08] <bobthebuilder20> So, running into issue with OS not booting after an LSI 6348-8i upgrade, getting black screen and blinking cursor. Originally, the drive was plugged into the SATA port and ran without issue.  Add the LSI card in JBOD mode and tried to run the disk off the LSI card. During POST LSI reports seeing the disk. OS was originally installed with GPT, no BIOS changes were made. If i plug the disk back into sata ports boot fine, any sug
[19:08] <blinksy> did you turn it off, then back on again?
[19:08] <bobthebuilder20> yep
[19:09] <blinksy> :(
[19:10] <bobthebuilder20> OS version is 14.04
[19:11] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, any changes in /etc/fstab ?
[19:11] <bobthebuilder20> nope
[19:14] <qwebirc79354> help
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> !ask | qwebirc79354
[19:14] <bobthebuilder20> The LSI card should be acting transparent and not affect anything. Its not even getting to the grub menu
[19:15] <bobthebuilder20> just boots straight to black screen and blinking white cursor
[19:16] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, can you ctrl+alt+fx something ?
[19:17] <bobthebuilder20> negative | ioria
[19:17] <qwebirc79354> how to enable boot
[19:18] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, i'd disable quiet splash in grub ..
[19:20] <hxmuller> bobthebuilder20: you have to hold down shift key to get to grub screen, then type e to edit
[19:20] <hxmuller> nvm, that
[19:20] <bobthebuilder20> it doesn't even get to that stage
[19:20] <hxmuller> that is after it's already installed
[19:20] <ioria> it's installed,i guess
[19:21] <bobthebuilder20> it POST the LSI message saying jbod mode and disk found, then proceeds with black screen and white cursor.
[19:21] <bobthebuilder20> if unplug it from LSI card and plug back into MB SATA port it boots up just fine, straight into GRUB, then OS.
[19:22] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, we're talking about an installed system, right ?
[19:22] <bobthebuilder20> yep
[19:22] <bobthebuilder20> OS was originally installed when it was plugged into MB SATA.
[19:22] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, make grub shows up... and remove quiet splash
[19:23] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, it'll give you a text boot with more infos
[19:25] <ubhunter> I'm getting stuck at splash screen while boot. I am able to boot to recovery mode though. VERSION="18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[19:26] <bobthebuilder20> ioria will double check quiet splash is off, i believe it is. Will be back in a minute or two.
[19:27] <ioria> ubhunter, What did you do earlier?
[19:27] <michael2> hi all. I have notifications from "notifiy send" which are showing in red - and not going away - does anyone know how to fix this?
[19:28] <ubhunter> I just installed 17.04 LTS
[19:28] <bobthebuilder20> ioria,
[19:29] <ioria> ubhunter, 17.04 is dead
[19:29] <ubhunter> I'm sorry, I meant 18.04
[19:29] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, confirmed quiet splash wasn't there
[19:29] <RoadRunner> at which version did ubuntu switch from unity to gnome?
[19:29] <michael2> I hin think 17.04 is a LTS
[19:29] <michael2> I _dont_ think 17.04 is a LTS
[19:29] <ioria> michael2, nope
[19:30] <ioria> ubhunter, fresh install ?
[19:30] <ubhunter> ioria: yup. Actually it had 14.04 but I wiped that partition and asked the installation screen to install grub at /dev/sda
[19:32] <RoadRunner> and is hw driver manager a part of gnome or is it desktop independent?
[19:33] <ioria> ubhunter,  so ...you did a fresh install of bionic (freash=from media) with manual partitionig ?
[19:33] <ubhunter> Yup ioria
[19:33] <ubhunter> From DVD
[19:33] <ioria> ubhunter,  what's your video card ?
[19:33] <ubhunter> ioria: intel integrated
[19:34] <ubhunter>        description: VGA compatible controller        product: 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller        vendor: Intel Corporation
[19:34] <ioria> ubhunter,  what happens if you choose resume from Recovery ?
[19:34] <ioria> ubhunter,  that's old ...
[19:35] <ubhunter> yes it is, but it ran 16.04 just fine
[19:35] <ioria> ubhunter,  not sure can run gnome-shell
[19:35] <ubhunter> ioria: I am using freenode from GUI which I got when I did resume from recovery mode.
[19:35] <ubhunter> That's gnome shell right?
[19:36] <ioria> ubhunter,  what happens if you choose resume from Recovery ?  does it boot into Desktop ?
[19:36] <ubhunter> yes
[19:36] <ubhunter> I am in such a session now
[19:36] <ubhunter> Typing into firefox at webchat.freenode.net from that
[19:36] <ioria> ubhunter, how is the screen resolution  ?
[19:37] <ubhunter> Not good. But then my screen is having a max of 1366x768
[19:37] <ioria> ubhunter,  and you got it atm ?
[19:37] <ubhunter> My monitor I mean
[19:38] <ioria> ubhunter,  run xrandr    to check
[19:38] <ubhunter> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[19:38] <ubhunter> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[19:39] <ubhunter> Oh I think my monitor max is 1024x768
[19:39] <ioria> ubhunter,  personally,id go with lubuntu
[19:39] <ubhunter> Does 17.04 have easy switch to unity?
[19:39] <ioria> ubhunter,  cpu and ram ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7500  @ 2.93GHz
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  17.04 again ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> oops
[19:40] <ubhunter> 18.04 :D
[19:40] <ubhunter> 2GB RAM
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  ram ?
[19:40] <ubhunter> 2 or 3 I don't remember
[19:40] <ioria> ubhunter,  cat /proc/cmdline
[19:40] <ubhunter> let me check
[19:41] <ioria> ubhunter,  free -m
[19:41] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, confirmed quiet splash wasn't there.
[19:41] <ubhunter> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-23-generic root=UUID=08caecf6-c183-449e-91e9-820616575f2f ro recovery nomodeset
[19:41] <ubhunter> Mem:           2.9G        1.5G        448M         39M        1.0G        1.4G
[19:41] <ioria> ubhunter,  3G
[19:42] <ioria> ubhunter,  cat /etc/default/grub | pastebinit
[19:43] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, did you remove it ?
[19:43] <ubhunter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G79JFjwC7n/
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, the quiet splash wasn't in there orginally
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> had it remove quit a while back
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> had it removed*
[19:45] <ioria> ubhunter,  change  this line : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"  ; run sudo updat-grub and reboot
[19:45] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, why ?
[19:45] <bobthebuilder20> like to see grub menu and see what is happening during boot.
[19:46] <ubhunter> ioria: you mean I need to add nomodeset to that line?
[19:46] <ubhunter> Or remove that line?
[19:46] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, so had quite splash edited out.
[19:46] <ioria> ubhunter,  yes, add nomodeset
[19:47] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, if you don't see anything on the screen than the system it's not booting at all
[19:48] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, which is weird.
[19:48] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, grub issue
[19:49] <bobthebuilder20> ioria, but it works fine, if I unplug from the LSI card and plug it back into MB SATA port.
[19:49] <ubhunter> btw. Ubuntu ditched Unity?
[19:50] <ubhunter> ioria: I'm rebooting. I'll be back [arnold.png]
[19:50] <oerheks> as standard, but still available
[19:50] <ioria> ubhunter,  no, you can still install it with  sudo apr install unity-session
[19:50] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, no idea then,sy
[19:51] <bobthebuilder20> Assuming the LSI JBOD mode doesn't tweek anything and LSI POST messsage reports seeing the disk. It should just boot into grub/OS.
[19:51] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[19:51] <bobthebuilder20> ioria thanks for your help thou.
[19:51] <ioria> bobthebuilder20, no prob
[19:52] <Zeelot3k__> hey, can someone help me understand the right way to dual boot multiple versions of ubuntu 1804 on one disk? I can't for the life of me get grub or refind to detect more than one and the second distro I install always overwrites the first when it comes to boot entries
[19:52] <Zeelot3k__> right now I have a GPT table, a small EFI partition, and 4 100GB btrfs partitions and I am trying to install a different copy of ubuntu into each of the 100GB partitions
[19:53] <Zeelot3k__> I don't want to share anything so I am using each partition mounted as `/` and not sharing `/home` or any other partition
[19:54] <Zeelot3k__> `sudo os-probe` returns nothing no matter which OS I run it from
[19:56] <oerheks> os-prober
[19:56] <oerheks> not sure that works on btrfs too..
[19:56] <ubhunter> ioria: thanks, that booted me in
[19:57] <ubhunter> But my display scaling is messed up
[19:57] <Zeelot3k__> oerheks: yeah sorry that's what I ran
[19:57] <Zeelot3k__> it doesn't return anything
[19:57] <ioria> ubhunter,  i see ... try unity
[19:57] <ubhunter> Display resolution locked to 640x480
[19:57] <ioria> ubhunter,  with lightdm i mean
[19:57] <ubhunter> let me try installing unity
[19:58] <ubhunter> What should I install first?
[19:58] <ioria> ubhunter,  then remove nomodeset from /e/d/grub
[19:58] <ubhunter> ioria: unity-session or lightdm?
[19:58] <ioria> ubhunter, no worries, it's a dependency
[19:59] <ioria> ubhunter, it'll ask you if tou want as default DM, say yes
[20:00] <ioria> !info unity-session | ubhunter
[20:00] <ubhunter> ioria: unity-session or ubuntu-unity-desktop?
[20:00] <ioria> ubhunter, i use unity-session ...
[20:01] <ubhunter> What's the difference?
[20:01] <ioria> ubhunter, i guess the seconf it's the full environment
[20:02] <ubhunter> What will I miss out if I go for session?
[20:02] <ioria> ubhunter, nothing that you cannot install
[20:02] <ubhunter> Oh okay
[20:02] <ubhunter> I'll go for session then
[20:02] <ubhunter> How can I purge gnome and gnome bits?
[20:03] <ioria> ubhunter, nope
[20:03] <scientes> how do i turn off tracker
[20:03] <scientes> it eats all my memory and cpu needlessly
[20:03] <scientes> if i try to uninstall it it tries to remove gnome-documents and gnome-boxes
[20:04] <scientes> nvm figured it out
[20:04] <ubhunter> ioria: you mean I shouldn't ?
[20:04] <ioria> ubhunter, yes
[20:04] <ubhunter> That would end up as a stale desktop manager in my installation right?
[20:05] <ubhunter> At least how do I make sure any gnome component does not consume any of my runtime resources?
[20:05] <ioria> ubhunter, btw, unity IS gnome
[20:06] <ubhunter> Ohh
[20:06] <ubhunter> I don't understand
[20:06] <ioria> ubhunter, built on top, i mean
[20:06] <ubhunter> So it's Unity vs Gnome shell?
[20:07] <ioria> ubhunter, yes
[20:07] <ubhunter> So I won't need gnome shell anymore right?
[20:07] <oerheks> installing a desktop is no problem, removing one is amazing
[20:10] <alecie> does your cat sometimes walk on your keyboard while you have terminal open and execute random commands?
[20:10] <tomreyn> Zeelot3k__: you'll probably need to add grub menu records for the other systems to each of your systems' grub configurations yourself then. or choose one of the systems to manage grub for all of them, and uninstall grub on the others.
[20:11] <tomreyn> alecie: this seems to happen occasionally, we only do ubuntu support here, though, not (living) cat support
[20:12] <tomreyn> if you have questions about how to feed things into cat, though, we could probably help-
[20:13] <ubhunter> Hi
[20:13] <ubhunter> I forgot the nick to whom I was talking
[20:13] <ubhunter> Could someone help me
[20:14] <tomreyn> !irclogs | ubhunter
[20:14] <tomreyn> ubhunter: what do you need help with?
[20:15] <roothorick> \/lib/systemd/system-shutdown/nutshutdown does not check the argument passed. Doesn't this mean that the UPS would be turned off even if it was a reboot that was requested?
[20:15] <ubhunter> tomreyn: I was talking with someone here for some help
[20:15] <ubhunter> I reconnected and forgot the nick
[20:15] <ubhunter> a few minutes ago
[20:15] <oerheks> ioria, but he left
[20:15] <ubhunter> ohh :(
[20:26] <Biessie> Question: I have ubuntu 18.04 desktop installed but im basically using it as a server.. i just wanted a GUI incase i ever decided to use it as a computer at any given time.. will be rare. nonetheless, how can i make it that when i reboot it, i do not have to login to make it load up all my servers such as SSHD/FTPD/apache, sql etc
[20:27] <Biessie> login using the x gui
[20:27] <roothorick> Biessie: it should already do that automatically
[20:27] <Biessie> roothorick : Hmmm okay, maybe it does and maybe i just tried to SSH before it was fully loaded?
[20:27] <Biessie> ill double check next reboot
[20:28] <roothorick> Either that or there's an unrelated issue preventing sshd from starting, or there's a network level or firewall issue preventing access
[20:28] <Biessie> roothorick : Ill report back if that's the case and request further assistance :)
[20:28] <Biessie> thanks for response.
[20:29] <roothorick> np :)
[20:29] <tomreyn> Biessie: it might be that it is only connected using wireless, and the wireless credentials are stored in the user domain, not available system wide. then it wouldn't get connected / become available on the network until your user logged in.
[20:29] <roothorick> oh, forgot about that
[20:30] <Biessie> tomreyn : You know what - that may actually be the main issue. I literally just put it on the ethernet last night since my wifi was having issues.
[20:30] <Biessie> so next reboot i bet that does the trick!
[20:30] <roothorick> Ethernet connections will always start automatically so
[20:30] <Biessie> yea good call!
[20:30] <roothorick> (well, you can override that, but by default...)
[20:31] <tomreyn> Biessie: you could also reconfigure the wireless. but for a server, ethernet is obviously the better option.
[20:31] <Biessie> my wifi card isnt compatible with the kernal on 18.04 according to ioria
[20:31] <Biessie> so it was extremely slow as it was. so i had to go grab a switch and now i have ethernet. screw wireless inded
[20:31] <Biessie> indeed*
[20:31] <tomreyn> then i guess ethernet makes even more sense ;)
[20:32] <Biessie> went from 80kbps up/down to 110mbps up/down switching lol
[20:33] <roothorick> Any "static" systems (servers, desktops etc) really should be on Ethernet if at all possible, even if it means stuffing cable under the wood trim along the walls
[20:33] <tomreyn> if this system is buried under stuff or in a remote room, you could attach a small computer to it to act as a serial console server,
[20:33] <roothorick> WiFi is for devices that move around
[20:33] <Biessie> agreed. it was a quick fix to get what i needed at the time. but yea ethernet is the way to go for certain
[20:34] <roothorick> laptops, tablets, cellphones, you get the idea
[20:34] <oerheks> wifi + server .. that would need a decent wifichip
[20:35] <Biessie> alrighty then! Im going run to the store and ill be back. thanks again for quick responses as always. great people here
[20:35] <roothorick> As a rule of thumb: if it has a built-in battery that it can run from with full functionality, it goes on WiFi. Otherwise, Ethernet.
[20:35] <forester> Hi. Is it possible to install Yunit ot Ubuntu Mate 18.04?
[20:35] <Biessie> oerheks - Yea it's just my personal toy.. ssh (tunnel at work) and host a website for images for family, ftpd, stuff like that. not seeing a whole lot of bandwidth
[20:36] <roothorick> I even apply that to game consoles, though I make exceptions for systems that don't have an integrated Ethernet interface, because I feel like there's not much point
[20:36] <roothorick> i.e. everything Nintendo has ever made
[20:51] <hxmuller> roothorick: I use ethernet over powerline. don
[20:51] <hxmuller> don't have to run cables
[20:55] <roothorick> hxmuller: EoP can be a very temperamental and inconsistent thing. Mains noise is quite the bugbear
[20:55] <dreamcat4> new 18.04 kernel won't boot for me (4.15.0-23)
[20:55] <dreamcat4> previous kernel 4.15.0-22 works fine
[20:55] <dreamcat4> in this week's software update
[20:56] <dreamcat4> on asus z270 apex 9 motherboard, with skylake 6600k cpu
[20:58] <hxmuller> dreamcat4: have you removed 'quiet splash' from kernel boot params in grub yet? (use the shift key when booting) you'll get more information, maybe
[20:59] <dreamcat4> no, but now that you said to, i'll definately try it. thanks for the suggestion. it's all stock settings atm
[20:59] <dreamcat4> (a clean install)
[21:00] <hxmuller> I had to use nomodeset when I installed onto an AB350M/Ryzen3 2200g, afterwards I got the APU working
[21:03] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: Nother thought is that the graphic's driver did not build in the new kernel .
[21:03] <dreamcat4> ok well i did have to install an nvidia graphics driver for my  gt 1030
[21:04] <dreamcat4> otherwise the whole GUI would just completely hang for many seconds
[21:04] <dreamcat4> apt-get install -y install nvidia-390
[21:07] <tomreyn> dreamcat4: use "ubuntu-drivers" to manage the proprietary drivers. while i don'T think skylake needs it, you may still work around some issues if you add the "i915.alpha_support=1" kernel parameter until you run linux 4.17+
[21:08] <dreamcat4> hi again. my nvidia-390 package came from this ppa
[21:08] <dreamcat4> add-apt repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[21:08] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: As you installed from repo .. dkms "should" have picked up and built the driver for the new kernel . ' sudo dkms status ' from the F2 console .
[21:08] <dreamcat4> ah, thanks
[21:09] <dreamcat4> nvidia, 390.67, 4.15.0-22-generic, x86_64: installed
[21:09] <dreamcat4> nvidia, 390.67, 4.15.0-23-generic, x86_64: installed
[21:09] <dreamcat4> seems good ^^
[21:11] <Bashing-om> dreamcat4: Yup .. the manager happy ? ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' ?
[21:12] <dreamcat4> interesting that it says i doesnt have intel... because i have an intel igp in the cpu also
[21:13] <tomreyn> there are no proprietary drivers available for the intel gpu, so no need to manage those.
[21:13] <dreamcat4> other than that, there does not seem to be any obvious errors in that log file. just some details about which gpu driver was loaded.. (only the nvidia one)
[21:16] <dreamcat4> i'm gonna reboot now and try that no splash grub thing, and the i915.alpha_support=1 kernel param
[21:17] <tomreyn> dreamcat4: if you made other changes, then post pone the i915 one to the next but one reboot. it increases complexity.
[21:19] <dreamcat4> ah i changed both things. it worked. so now i will back out the i915 part and reboot again. see if its still good
[21:22] <dreamcat4> still good. so then all i needed was to remove the 'quiet splash' from the default flags in /etc/default/grub
[21:22] <dreamcat4> thanks again
[21:45] <Biessie> What is ethernet over powerline
[21:46] <EriC^^> Biessie: it's when the lan is using the power outlets of the house
[21:46] <oerheks> network over your 110v/220v energy system, sometimes it can reach out houses away
[21:47] <Biessie> Seriously? WTF how did i never hear of this
[21:47] <oerheks> https://www.tp-link.com/au/products/details/cat-5034_TL-PA4010PKIT.html
[21:47] <oerheks> and
[21:47] <Biessie> im going read up on that now
[21:47] <oerheks> there is power over ethernet
[21:47] <Biessie> is it reliable?
[21:47] <oerheks> a wifi camera that gets power from the networkcable
[21:48] <oerheks> yes, encrypted hardware by itself
[21:48] <Biessie> does it have packet loss etc ?
[21:48] <Biessie> just seems weird
[21:48] <oerheks> but high ping, lik 150 ms
[21:48] <oerheks> or more
[21:48] <Biessie> Makes sense.. so will it "throttle" speeds as well
[21:48] <oerheks> so not reliable for gaming
[21:50] <Biessie> WHAT?! it says it can be faster than wifi speeds.
[21:50] <Biessie> thats insane. thanks hxmuller for bringing that up in this chat
[21:52] <ntd> and that 4010kit?
[21:52] <hxmuller> PoE is working great for me
[21:52] <ntd> vulnerable to a variety of vulns which will let anyone pair to your "encrypted" network :)
[21:52] <ntd> poe != plc
[21:53] <ntd> and tp-link decided not to release firmware fixed to early revs
[21:53] <ntd> ofc qualcomm fixed the known knowns, oems don't give a damn
[21:53] <oerheks> yes, unless there is faster than 1000 mbit wireless > TP-Link AV1000 Gigabit Powerline Starter Kit
[21:54] <hxmuller> I'm using the Netgear Powerline, 1000mbs
[21:54] <hxmuller> on the desktop box I just built
[21:55] <oerheks> i have a spare old 11 mbit set somewhere, enough for webcam
[21:55] <oerheks> dedicated stream, 1 user
[21:56] <Biessie> im on fiber with 115 up/down
[21:56] <Biessie> so i should be good
[21:57] <hxmuller> btw, I have an alsa only setup, defaults to the speaker/headphone. I can play sound through HDMI using aplay -DSTUFF test.wav. How do I get system to play through HDMI?
[21:58] <hxmuller> my google skills are weak, because I can't figure out the right keywords
[22:00] <ntd> getting a lot of results for latvian hardwood floors?
[22:00] <ntd> yeah, scroogle have been like that for a while
[22:06] <WoC> is there any screensaver compatible with wayland ?
[22:09] <oerheks> nope, i follow the fedora project too, about screensaver option in wayland
[22:10] <oerheks> " There was some development and even a small demo of a Wayland screensaver (wscreensaver), but there is not a final "
[22:10] <oerheks> nor arch, or debian/ubuntu
[22:11] <WoC> k, ty oerheks
[22:12] <oerheks> basicly one can write a unit that simply shows a picture and enables the coffeemachine
[22:12] <tomreyn> but it works via xwaylayd? otherwise, how did 17.10 do it?
[22:12] <tomreyn> i'm just wondering about screen locking really
[22:13] <oerheks> screensaver, animated, and animated desktop
[22:13] <oerheks> i want those 3
[22:13] <ubuntu1604> hi im tryimg to add a new partition but looks like i cant
[22:14] <ubuntu1604> im using virtualbox btw
[22:14] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: with a single disk?
[22:15] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: are you saying the ubuntu installation you are inquiring about runs in a virtualbox VM?
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> yeah
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> im running ubuntu 16.04
[22:16] <ubuntu1604> i have a 40 GB virtual hard disk
[22:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: does it have internet connectivity?
[22:17] <ubuntu1604> yes
[22:17] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: run: sudo parted /dev/sda print | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:18] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:18] <tomreyn> this will return a web address where we'll fi9nd information on your VM's partitions
[22:18] <ubuntu1604> http://termbin.com/y6b1
[22:19] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: all your partitionable spcae is allocated. how did you plan to add additional partitions?
[22:19] <ubuntu1604> by shrinking that big one
[22:19] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604then boot gparted-live in the VM and shrink it.
[22:20] <ubuntu1604> gparted is an app
[22:20] <ubuntu1604> i have it
[22:20] <tomreyn> it's a software. gparted-live is a live linux system.
[22:21] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[22:21] <ubuntu1604> oh so tomreyn its an OS ?
[22:21] <tomreyn> running gparted on the existing ubuntu installation will *not* help
[22:21] <ubuntu1604> i should treat it as a OS ?
[22:21] <Sir_Andrei> People, I have a problem.
[22:21] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: yes. it's a bootable linux system with gparted on it.
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> k where can i  download it ?
[22:22] <hxmuller> !win Sir_Andrei
[22:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: do you have a web browser?
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> yes
[22:22] <Sir_Andrei> I've installed Lubuntu 18.04 on my PC, (alongside Windows 10), I've made a biosgrub partition (1023Mb), but my computer won't boot as I want.
[22:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: do you know what a search engine is?
[22:22] <Sir_Andrei> I mean, it starts and give me just the grub shell.
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> google
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> wait
[22:22] <ubuntu1604> its that ubuntu startup thing
[22:23] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: right, google is one. go to google and type "gparted-live download"
[22:23] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:24] <ubuntu1604> https://gparted.org/download.php <<this ?
[22:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: impressive internet reasearch capabilities!
[22:24] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: yes
[22:24] <Sir_Andrei> Anybody knows why Lubuntu exploded?
[22:24] <Sir_Andrei> Well, GRUB.
[22:25] <Guest67195> Hello, I'm looking to how to disable a hard drive from my ubuntu partition (18.04). this ubuntu is running on an SSD and doesn't require the second drive at all, is there a way to disable that 2nd drive so it doesn't spin all day for nothing ?
[22:25] <ubuntu1604> amd64 right ?
[22:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: right, you probably want the gparted-live-0.31.0-1-amd64.iso download
[22:25] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: then insert the iso into0 your VM's cdrom drive and boot off it.
[22:26] <ubuntu1604> ok
[22:26] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: does your system boot using uefi or the old bios?
[22:26] <Sir_Andrei> Yep.
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'd booted it using GRUB shell commands.
[22:27] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: that was two options.
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> But I wanna know the reason...
[22:27] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: mutually exclusive options. which one is it, uefi or bios?
[22:27] <ubuntu1604> tomreyn: it wont damage things right ? ( i have a snapshot of the VM tho)
[22:27] <Sir_Andrei> UEFI
[22:28] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: then you want an ESP, not a bios_grub partition
[22:28] <Sir_Andrei> ESP?
[22:28] <Sir_Andrei> What's that?
[22:28] <tomreyn> ubuntu1604: if you have a recent complete snapshot then it'll be ok. but editing partition tables always puts your system at danger of data loss.
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> When I done my partitions it requested me the bios_grub partition :P
[22:29] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: efi system partition
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, nice, I'll read about it.
[22:29] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: what is "it"?
[22:29] <tomreyn> in your last but one statement
[22:29] <Sir_Andrei> About "efi system partition".
 When I done my partitions it requested me the bios_grub partition :P
[22:30] <tomreyn> the ubuntu installer?
[22:30] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, well, Lubuntu installation assistant.
[22:30] <Sir_Andrei> Sorry for my english, I'm a native spanish speaker.
[22:30] <tomreyn> this suggests you were actually doing a BIOS boot at the time
[22:30] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: no worries, mine's not that great either
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> But I'd booted the system.
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> Can I fix it just upgrading an regenerating GRUB?
[22:31] <Sir_Andrei> What's your native language?
[22:31] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: so unless you switched between BIOS and UEFI booting after installing ubuntu then we should assume you're actually doing a BIOS boot.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> Well, yea.
[22:32] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: so ubuntu booted fine after the installation?
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> No, I've booted it from GRUB shell.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> Ubuntu itself it's working fine.
[22:32] <Sir_Andrei> I'm upgrading in this moment.
[22:32] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: ok, but you were able to, so it's something else, and it does BIOS boot.
[22:34] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: i guess what you need to do is to ensure that grub will boot the same way you booted manually.
[22:34] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: just regenerating the grub configuration will most likel ynot suffice then.
[22:34] <Sir_Andrei> Hmm. I'll try that first, five minutes please :P
[22:35] <tomreyn> rebuilding initramfs *might* help if the one you have now is somehow corrupt.
[22:37] <tomreyn> Guest67195: maybe you can disable it in bios / uefi?
[22:39] <tomreyn> Guest67195: please use a different nickname (using /nick newnick), there are too many guest*'s here, making it difficult to address you. make sure the other drive is not listed in /etc/fstab or used in any other way.
[22:39] <Sir_Andrei> Who is Guest
[22:39] <Sir_Andrei> Oh, sorry.
[22:40] <Sir_Andrei> That nicknames are assigned by their IRC client, right?
[22:40] <Sir_Andrei> I'm using ERC on emacs, and it always request me a nickname to join on IRC servers.
[22:41] <tomreyn> the irc server may replace the nickname sent by the irc client if there is already a user using this nickname on this network.
[22:42] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I've done with the update..., let's restart.
[22:42] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck..., Grub shell again.
[22:43] <tomreyn> nox1234: much better
[22:43] <nox1234> tomreyn: yeah sorry about that, i forgot my credentials and got assigned the guest nick :)
[22:43] <tomreyn> ;)
[22:44] <tomreyn> nox1234: if you used a real e-mail address to register you can have your password reset
[22:44] <nox1234> tomreyn: the thing is that i might need that disk from time to time and didn't want to reboot and edit the bios each time
[22:45] <Sir_Andrei> That's strange. Now when I do linux /boot/initrd.img... etc. It says "error: invalid magic number".
[22:45] <Sir_Andrei> I can't load the kernel.
[22:46] <retr02> leave
[22:46] <retr02> exit
[22:47] <tomreyn> nox1234: you can "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete" to (logically) remove the device off the bus, making it inaccessible and unmanaged until the next reboot.
[22:48] <tomreyn> nox1234: actually you could re-add it later by scannnig the bus again.
[22:49] <nox1234> tomreyn: I was more looking for something like : 'do not spin until i tell you to'
[22:49] <tomreyn> nox1234: you will need to replace the X in sdX by the actual device name.
[22:50] <tomreyn> nox1234: consumer hdd's will automatically power down after a while if not in use, all current firmwares would handle it this way.
[22:50] <nox1234> tomreyn: but the bus scan could be triggered by anything, which will then re-add that disk no ?
[22:51] <tomreyn> nox1234: it could, yes, but it doesn't usually happen by itself, or by automated processes, i would think.
[22:51] <tomreyn> nox1234: is this a rather old disk or computer?
[22:52] <nox1234> tomreyn: nah, brand new :)
[22:52] <tomreyn> nox1234: and the drive doesn't spin down by itself after a few minutes?
[22:52] <Sir_Andrei> Nice, kernel panic.
[22:54] <nox1234> tomreyn: no it doesn't, but i think that it has to be enabled by hand in the disk > disk settings
[22:54] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: maybe it would be easier to just reinstall?
[22:55] <tomreyn> nox1234: hmm right, i was wondering this also
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> I got Kernel Panic reason.
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> Not on the traceback (it's too long to copy it here).
[22:57] <tomreyn> !paste | Sir_Andrei
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[22:57] <Sir_Andrei> @tomreyn
[22:58] <Sir_Andrei> ubottu, yeah, but I can't copy it cause I don't have a way to do it.
[22:58] <Sir_Andrei> Eh?, Ah, it was you, @tomreyn.
[22:59] <Sir_Andrei> I've tried with both kernels (...20, and ...23) (remember I've upgraded few minutes ago).
[22:59] <oerheks> is this on bare metal or a VM ?
[22:59] <Sir_Andrei> bare metal C:
[23:07] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: apparently the first partition on the first hdd does not contain the /boot filesystem
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> F*ck
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> So...
[23:10] <Sir_Andrei> Initramfs fail?
[23:11] <Sir_Andrei> Maybe reinstalling the system and doing things correctly would work.
[23:11] <Sir_Andrei> What do u think?
 Sir_Andrei: maybe it would be easier to just reinstall?
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'll do that jajajaj.
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> I don't understand very well yet how it works UEFI and all of thats.
[23:13] <Sir_Andrei> that*
[23:14] <hxmuller> hdmi working. just had to use the right card #.
[23:14] <Sir_Andrei> Reinstalling... :P
[23:15] <SJr> I've installed ubuntu 18.04 twice now, both times the install completes successfully however after reboot the system doesn't seem fully installed. The hostname is set wrong, and no users seem to have been created so I cannot log in.
[23:15] <SJr> Ubuntu 18.04 server*
[23:15] <Bashing-om> !uefi | Sir_Andrei
[23:16] <tomreyn> !md5 | SJr
[23:16] <Sir_Andrei> @Bashing-om, thx, I'll read it :D
[23:16] <tomreyn> !smart | SJr
[23:17] <tomreyn> SJr: maybe the installation or target media is llosing coherence
[23:18] <SJr> Seems unlikely, it was a fully functioning Linux install mere hours ago.
[23:18] <SJr> I will re-image the USB key, and verify the md5 before hand.
[23:19] <tomreyn> SJr: you can also run a 'media test' from the grub menu of the installer
[23:21] <hxmuller> yes, sometimes the dowload is bad
[23:21] <SJr> Well this will be the weirdest corrupt media I've ever seen.
[23:23] <tomreyn> SJr: you said the hostname was set wrong. was it set to a value you know personally, to what might be a 'Desfault value'. to the empty string, or just some gibberish?
[23:24] <SJr> default value, localhost.localdomain.
[23:24] <tomreyn> SJr: this would happen if you used the desktop installer without reliable network connection, i think
[23:25] <SJr> Hrm... that's pretty bad error handling, but maybe it's because I set the DNS wrong, I was just going to install BIND later.
[23:26] <SJr> Check on the media went fine as well.
[23:26] <tomreyn> SJr: this sounds like an even better explanation. making the installer think it can pull updates from the internet since there is a network connection but then breaking name resolution could indeed cause this situation.
[23:27] <SJr> I set some other ones up, but maybe I'll just let DHCP take over during install.
[23:27] <tomreyn> your other option is an offline installation using the *alternative* server installation. if you want it offline.
[23:27] <qwebirc89603> I just downloaded Ubuntu on my chromebok, how ever its only 14.04 how can I upgrade it?
[23:28] <SJr> I guess I'll not set the hostname to something that collides with something else on the network this time either.
[23:28] <tomreyn> SJr: it's also possible that the desktop installer actually works wfine if you just don't bring up the network before starting the installation (nor during installation)
[23:28] <SJr> Oh this is server*
[23:28] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: you cuol djust download a newer version instead,
[23:29] <tomreyn> SJr: oh you said so initially, sorry i hadn't noticed.
[23:29] <qwebirc89603> how?
[23:29] <SJr> Installing again right now.
[23:30] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: use a web browser, point it to ubuntu.com, click on download etc.
[23:30] <SJr> Oh I'm a moron
[23:30] <SJr> The install script dies, and says "An error has occurred" my monitor is so big, I don't notice it.
[23:31] <tomreyn> i guess this would explain why the installation didnt succeed
[23:31] <qwebirc89603> I cant do that on a chromebook
[23:32] <qwebirc89603> im running Ubuntu 14.04 right now
[23:32] <SJr> An unexpected error while running command "unshare --fork --pid -- chroot /target efibootmgr ..."
[23:32] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: there's this https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-ubuntu-on-chromebook
[23:33] <SJr> Reason -, StdOut: '', Stderr: ''.
[23:34] <tomreyn> SJr: i don't know, no hits on the web for this output. use the alternate installer.
[23:35] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: sorry about the iso download suggestion, i never worked with chromebooks, but see the tutorial which is about installing 16.04 on a chromebook
[23:36] <qwebirc89603> I did the same thing in the tutorial it downloaded ubuntu 14.04
[23:36] <oerheks> qwebirc89603, you could use the updates setting > to next LTS release
[23:36] <oerheks> but chromebook, i would not run ubuntu/any linux on it, limited hdd
[23:38] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: hmm i could have sworn i saw 16.04 somewhere, but looking now, can't seem to find any notion of it.
[23:39] <tomreyn> oh stepo #3 of the tuorial states 16.04
[23:39] <qwebirc89603> yeah the farthest ive gotten was to the tab that said my software is up to date but 16.04 is released and when I clicked upgrade it closed the tab and did nothing
[23:40] <oerheks> update manager core
[23:41] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=update-manager-core
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> People, i was reading the article.
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> W10 have it's own ESP.
[23:41] <Sir_Andrei> I've created a new ESP with Gparted (FAT32, 1024Mb, flags: boot, esp).
[23:42] <Sir_Andrei> It's necessary?, I mean, I'm not sure of using W10 ESP (fearing to do such a mess as it is my first time using ESP).
[23:43] <oerheks> not sure what article, but our uefi manual says you can use the windows efi one
[23:45] <SJr> Well tomreyn I disconnected a bunch of other hard disks that were plugged in, since the errors seemed to be about disk related ,and then the installer passed.
[23:45] <Sir_Andrei> Article @Bashing-om gived me.
[23:45] <Sir_Andrei> Idk if "gived" exists in english.
[23:46] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: from what i read, the "crouton" installation method discusse don the tuorial i linked does not replace ChromiumOS but installs ubuntu into a chroot (something like a virtual server). there can also be chromebook specific ways to actually replace ChromiumOS by Linux, but you'll need to search those chromebook specific methods yourself, and are basically on your own there.
[23:47] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: if this system boots in UEFI mode and has an ESP, then all OS's installed on it need to share this ESP
[23:47] <tomreyn> SJr: glad it worked out in the end.
[23:47] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: it's "gave" (past tense)
[23:48] <Sir_Andrei> So isn't neccesary i do biosgrub partition as Installer recommends, right?
[23:49] <Sir_Andrei> I just need to select W10 ESP and specify /boot/efi as mount point.
[23:49] <Sir_Andrei> Right?
[23:49] <qwebirc89603> tomeryn yeah I know but isnt there a way to upgrade it?
[23:50] <tomreyn> Sir_Andrei: if your system boots in UEFI mode and the partition table is a GTP one then you need to use the existing ESP partition, not create a bios_grub partition.
[23:50] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: yes. the question is just will it still work after it is upgraded? and form what i read, 16.04 won't.
[23:51] <tomreyn> qwebirc89603: which chromebook model is it?
[23:51] <Sir_Andrei> Well, W10 boots in UEFI mode.
[23:51] <Sir_Andrei> But..., its safe?
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: Is Win10 presently installed on the system ? If so I would expect the intaller - booted in UEFI mode - to find the /boot partition and install the operating system automatically .
[23:52] <Sir_Andrei> Oh..., nice.
[23:52] <Sir_Andrei> Well, I'll try.
[23:53] <Sir_Andrei> Bashing-om, W10 is presently installed on my computer.
[23:54] <Sir_Andrei> I've seen from Gparted W10 have a ESP (Fat 32, boot flag) partition.
[23:54] <qwebirc89603> tomeryn: I dont know
[23:54] <Sir_Andrei> 272Mb (size), 69Mb already used.
[23:54] <oerheks> !uefi
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: ubuntu will gladly share that ESP partition .
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Yea oerheks, Bashing-om gave me that article few minutes ago, thx.
[23:55] <oerheks> he is been told 4 times i think
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Bashing-om, all automatically? C:
[23:55] <Sir_Andrei> Nice.
[23:56] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: Bear in mind that ubuntu uas existed for some time .. and millions of programmers pour over the code .. it is now user friendly :)
[23:56] <Sir_Andrei> Sorry oerheks, I have a lot of files on this computer and I wanna do things just right.
[23:57] <SJr> In Ubuntu 18.04 /etc/network/interfaces seems to be replaced by netplan. Everything on the internet says I can just modify /etc/netplan files with yml. However the file in there, 50-cloud-init.yml says this file is provided by "the datasource". Changes to it won't persist?
[23:57] <Bashing-om> Sir_Andrei: If the data is important ..it is backed up . no excuses .
[23:57] <oerheks> if you don't have a backup, your files are unimportant, basicly
[23:57] <Sir_Andrei> Yeah, I have backups.
[23:58] <SJr> Why does my server seemingly have Ubuntu Cloud?
[23:58] <Sir_Andrei> But let's be clear.


[00:30] <avihay> LostMonk: you probably mean krunner Alt+F2
[00:42] <michealpw> alt+f2, that's Krunner?
[00:42] <michealpw> haha it is. Alt+f2 and type krunner (rofl)
[00:42] <michealpw> brilliant!
[00:54] <Guest92580> hi
[02:52] <Guest6969> usuarios reales?
[03:00] <rottingdead> Hallo hello..
[03:04] <rottingdead> Quiet in here tonight.
[03:25] <Daskreech> wannted something?
[06:20] <nicekiwi> im trying to watch a movie in fullscreen and every 10mins my screen goes black. ive turned off all powermanagments and screen saver. help?
[06:29] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:36] <jdrs> i'm not too sure but try: System Settings -> Worspace Behavior -> Screen Edges. Choose one of the corners that hasn't been assigned an action yet then assign 'Prevent Screen Locking'.
[06:36] <jdrs> Place your mouse pointer on that corner when watching in full screen.
[06:48] <bander9289> sudo reboot
[06:49] <bander9289> haha, dang kde bug, can't tell which window I'm in
[07:05] <avihay> I try to use fsck, I'm preserned with :
[07:05] <avihay> Reclaimed 14566 unused clusters (238649344 bytes). \n     Free cluster summary wrong (4940552 vs. really 4955118)
[07:05] <avihay> 1) Correct    \n    2) Don't correct
[07:07] <avihay> and no matter what option I pick, I get: Leaving file system unchanged.
[07:16] <rethus> whats on today... 208 updates?!
[07:17] <lordievader> rethus: Update to KDE 4.9.1?
[07:18] <rethus> could be
[07:18] <lordievader> rethus: At least I had something similair a few days ago, turned out to be the update of kde.
[07:19] <rethus> i think, your right, caus normaly i update every day... and then there are only a few updates.
[07:19] <rethus> thats cause i wonde of more as 200 updates today
[07:24] <rethus> the search of mails in subfolders doesn't work anymore in kmail2 for my imap-accounts
[07:25] <rethus> before i search for mails older than 3 Month, and move them to an archiv-folder, to make a backup.
[07:25] <rethus> how can i do this now?
[07:54] <Lugia010719d1> Hello. I think I need help. I was upgrading Kubuntu from Natty to Oneiric, using the do-release.upgrade  command and when it came to unpacking update of libpam0g 1.1.2-2ubuntu8.4, when restarting the services it got stuck at "cups: stopping...starting..." and then it did nothing for another hour, no CUP usage or anything. so i cancelled the whole upgrading proccess. after manually killing the stuck dpkg I managed to resume
[07:54] <Lugia010719d1>  the upgrading process, but some packs still throw an error like "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process:" .. how do I get rid of this?
[08:00] <Lugia010719d1> ok so i managed to get rid of the lock usinf fuser and killing "frontend"
[08:01] <Lugia010719d1> now the upgrade process doesnt want to proceed because od some unresolvable dependencies "ubuntu-desktop" marked for removal while being in the list of unremovable
[08:06] <Lugia010719d1> hmm by manually removing it with sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop i managed to somehow make it work.. i hope there is no more trouble :/
[08:16] <Lugia010719d1> ok upgrade finished... sorry for bothering.. but for a while I thought I'm doomed
[08:17] <Lugia010719d1> time to reboot
[08:53] <faichele_> A question regarding kdm and a multi-display setup? Is it possible to make KDM show its login prompt on a specific display? With lightdm, I found a solution using xrandr and a greeter setup script; does KDM have a similar mechanism?
[08:57] <phoenix_firebrd> faichele_: did you try asking in #kde?
[09:33] <alsitnetpc> hallo here....
[09:33] <alsitnetpc> all okay.....
[09:35] <alsitnetpc> news w.w.w. internet see....
[09:35] <alsitnetpc> goodbye here....
[10:01] <hechao> 第一次使用
[12:02] <Guest2447> ola
[12:03] <Guest2447> yes
[12:05] <casb> ola
[12:05] <Smurphy> alo
[12:06] <casb> cara irc sou novato
[12:07] <casb> mv box
[12:43] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a question, how can i find out if a directory is linked to another directory?
[12:47] <avihay> it usually has an extra symbol on the directory icon in dolphin, you can also see it(link target) in the folder properties (right click->properties), or in the terminal with ls, I think links are pink, and if you use ls -al, it will show you the link target too
[13:08] <skrite> hey all, i have a keyboard shortcut to rotate windows (like alt-tab) but is meta-j  works fine but if console is focused, /quit
[13:08] <skrite> exit
[13:10] <Pici> Okay...
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:46] <skrite> hey all
[13:48] <fede1178> ciao
[13:48] <BluesKaj> !it
[14:40] <Derpian> holy crap, I wake up and 186 updates for kubuntu-desktop related packages
[14:40] <Derpian> and i update everyday
[14:42] <hateball> It's not like there's a limit to how many packages that get updated in one day
[14:42] <hateball> Like say... when KDE gets updated, like now
[14:42] <lordievader> Derpian: KDE is updated to 4.9.1
[14:42] <madison> Hello. I'm using kubuntu and my gpu is AMD Radeon HD 6870. I'd like to use the proprietary ATI drivers, but it won't install them. I can't install fglrx...anyone has an idea what to do?
[14:42] <Derpian> oh wow
[14:42] <Derpian> cool
[14:43] <Derpian> i'm not using kde right now but i have it installed
[14:43] <lordievader> madison: How are you trying to install them?
[14:44] <madison> I downloaded the proprietary drivers from the ati homepage and tried to run the setup..doesn't work. Before that, I tried to install fglrx, didn't work either
[14:45] <madison> It always fails while "Postproccessing kernel updates"
[14:46] <tsimpson> did you try the "Additional Drivers" application?
[14:47] <madison> I don't think so, let me see...
[14:50] <madison> tsimpson: I've tried that, but it says "SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." when trying to install the AMD drivers....(I don't have held broken packages though)
[14:51] <madison> And the AMD drivers appear twice on the list of additional drivers
[14:55] <madison> Any ideas?
[14:57] <tsimpson> sorry, I don't have AMD or nVidia, so I can't really do anything to test it
[14:58] <madison> Okay
[14:58] <BluesKaj> madison, run , sudo dpkg --configure -a , then try to install the driver from additional drivers
[14:59] <madison> No changes
[15:00] <BluesKaj> madison, pls expalin , no changes
[15:00] <madison> It still says "SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." when trying to install the AMD drivers in "Additional Drivers"
[15:00] <BluesKaj> err expalin
[15:01] <BluesKaj> my KB is giving up some keys are slower than others it seems (wireless)
[15:01] <madison> Mh?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> madison, sudo apt-get -f install
[15:03] <madison> There are no broken packages..
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ok good , meaning no broken packages left behind
[15:05] <BluesKaj> madison, so you're running the vesa driver ?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> madison, sudo lshw -C video| grep driver
[15:08] <madison> driver=radeon latency=0
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ok so you have the ati radeon driver installed
[15:09] <madison> But it's not the proprietary, is it?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> proprietary drivers don't always work properly , even when included in the install by default
[15:11] <madison> My problem is that every game is lagging...I don't play much, but if I do, I want it to be lag free :P
[15:14] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver , madison
[15:35] <madison> Well, no clue how to make it lag free.. :/
[15:36] <TheLordOfTime> madison, everything lags :P
[15:37] <ptomblin> Holy cow, 182 packages to update!
[15:37] <TheLordOfTime> madison, the solution: turn down the graphics
[15:37] <madison> TheLordOfTime: I've installed Windows on a second HDD, nothing lags there..
[15:37] <TheLordOfTime> that's Windows
[15:37] <TheLordOfTime> windows != Kubuntu
[15:37] <TheLordOfTime> accept that fact :P
[15:38] <madison> kubuntu -> lag? :o
[15:38] <TheLordOfTime> linux isnt a gaming OS.  at least not primarily
[15:38] <TheLordOfTime> no offense :P
[15:38]  * TheLordOfTime returns to bugsquad stuffs
[15:39] <madison> ....I don't want a gaming OS, but I want an OS I can play a game with
[15:39] <madison> without lag
[15:40] <madison> And that game doesn't have BF3 graphics
[15:43] <xata> hello
[15:43] <xata> where do i get kate-sdk development files? they might be somwhere in kdesdk or ktexteditor, but they ain't there
[15:44] <xata> i mean what package ofc
[15:44] <Torch> madison: in my experience, 3d games make no sense without proprietary drivers. open source fanatics will tell you otherwise, but it just never worked for me
[15:45] <madison> Torch: That's why I want to install proprietary drivers, but it doesn't work :P
[15:47] <spawn57> I always install the properitary stuff :\
[15:47] <madison> kubuntu doesn't let me :(
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> did you actually *try*
[15:49] <madison> I did
[15:49] <madison> several times
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> with the hardware drivers tool?
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> or by hand?
[15:50] <madison> I downloaded the driver from ATI's website and ran the installer
[15:51] <madison> Well at first I tried to install fglrx but that didn't work
[15:51] <cmagina> madison: are you on quantal (12.10) or precise (12.04)?
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> you should try using hardware drivers tool before trying to actually install by hand
[15:52] <madison> Quantal
[15:52] <madison> 12.10
[15:53] <cmagina> madison: it appears that the latest fglrx drivers do not support the newer xorg that quantal is shipping
[15:53] <madison> meh :@
[15:53] <cmagina> means, either wait till AMD updates their drivers or use 12.04
[15:53] <bazhang> !12.10 | madison
[15:54] <cmagina> madison: i just checked on my system here and the reason the additional drivers fails is due to a missing dependency (older xorg abi package)
[15:54] <cmagina> the fglrx driver wants abi 11, quantal is shipping abi 13
[15:55] <madison> Hmmmmm.
[15:56] <cmagina> this is the problem with proprietary drivers. the distro can't build them to keep up with whatever version of xorg they ship
[15:56] <madison> What do you think how long will ATI need to update their driver?
[15:57] <cmagina> no idea, they normally release the updated driver before ubuntu releases, so sometime between now and end of october hopefully
[15:57] <cmagina> i also tried the fglrx-updates driver, same issue
[15:57] <cmagina> if you want to play games with the proprietary driver, always stick to the latest release as the development releases are very unlikely to work with proprietary drivers
[15:58] <madison> Hehe, okay :P
[15:59] <madison> Is Quantal going to be released in october?
[15:59] <bazhang> 12.10 yes
[15:59] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[15:59] <bazhang> madison, did you not see the support and discussion in #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:00] <madison> I didn't really think about joining that channel
[16:00] <spawn57> woo
[16:00] <spawn57> can't wait for kde 4.9
[16:01] <spawn57> plasma-desktop crashes way too often in 4.8
[16:01] <xata> spawn57: already in ppa-s
[16:01] <madison> Nothing crashed yet
[16:01] <madison> here
[16:01] <xata> i have 4.9.1 already, actually
[16:05] <spawn57> yeah, but when I go cutting edge other programs tend to go wonky
[16:05] <spawn57> last time it was digikam, and that was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
[16:06] <spawn57> so I'll wait for 12.10 and do a full upgrade then
[16:06] <xata> why i am always ok?
[16:07] <xata> oh, i am using awesome+some usefull kde stuff
[16:07] <xata> that's why
[16:07]  * BluesKaj is running 12.10 without too many problems , the odd glitch with graphics or grub , but solvable
[16:08] <xata> anyway, see you. thanks for not helping me!
[16:09] <BluesKaj> ???
[16:09] <madison> Can't even watch fullscreen videos (on youtube) without lag, lol
[16:10] <BluesKaj> madi have you checked system monitor to see what's eating resources ...are you sure it's not nepomuk or akonadi or some such useless daemon /server
[16:10] <BluesKaj> madison,^
[16:10] <BluesKaj> well ,useless to me anyway :)
[16:14] <cmagina> madison: really? i am using the radeon driver with a radeon 6780 and have not had any flickering when playing full screen 1080p flash
[16:14] <madison> BluesKaj: Nothing is eating resources ;)
[16:15] <neo69> hi
[16:15] <cmagina> are you using chrome? i have noticed flickering when using that browser. actually use firefox to play flash now due to that
[16:15] <madison> 6780 or 6870? I have radeon hd 6870
[16:15] <madison> using Firefox
[16:15] <madison> It's not like flickering, more....lag :P
[16:15] <cmagina> i have the 6780
[16:16] <cmagina> the thing to remember about flash is it does not offload in linux
[16:16] <cmagina> so, lagging could be more cpu issues
[16:17] <madison> CPU is at 10-30%
[16:17] <madison> while watching a 1080p video on youtube
[16:17] <madison> using flash
[16:17] <cmagina> hmmmm
[16:17] <neo69> when I try to look for new updates I get this error "It was not possible to transfer the list of applications", details: "E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main Sources
[16:18] <neo69> what is the problem?
[16:21] <cmagina> madison: not really sure what to tell you. just re-verified i don't get lag when playing 1080p youtube videos in full screen on a 1920x1200 reso lcd
[16:22] <madison> not really sure what to do.
[16:22] <cmagina> only thing i can think of is the 6800 series might not be as optimized in the radeon driver
[16:22] <cmagina> but i'd be surprised by that. i know the latest hardware tends to be rough with it, but 6800's been around for a while
[16:23] <cmagina> sorry i couldn't help, only thing really left would be checking the all mighty google for answers
[16:35] <PeterME> Hi, how would I apply a .patch file?
[16:36] <DarthFrog> !patch | PeterME
[16:37] <PeterME> Thanks, I'll look into it
[16:38] <PeterME> !patch just asks me which file to patch. But I'm not really sure..
[16:39] <PeterME> ubottu You seem to be helpfull, your creator must be a good guy :P
[16:54] <mangdood> I'd like to reinstall my system, preferably with the same packages it has now, since some of them seem to be broken. How can I do this?
[16:57] <DarthFrog> mangdood:  "dpkg --list" will give you a list of all packages installed on your system.  Save the output from that.
[16:58] <mangdood> DarthFrog: How would I use this output to reinstall all the packages?
[16:58] <DarthFrog> mangdood:  But also note that "sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>" may solve your problem with individual packages.
[16:58] <DarthFrog> mangdood:  By hand.
[16:59] <mangdood> DarthFrog: the thing is, I have a general idea of which applications are broken (namely, something in the kde suite) but I don't know which
[16:59] <DarthFrog> mangdood: I have an alias that lists just the package name.  alias lspkg="dpkg --list | grep ^ii.* | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | sort | less"
[17:00] <DarthFrog> I would use my lspkg alias to list the packages and save the output to a file.  Then I'd write a bash script that took that file and installed the packages.
[17:01] <DarthFrog> BTW, that alias is included in my ~/.bash_aliases file so it's loaded everytime I log in.  i frequently pipe the output to grep.
[17:02] <mangdood> Mhm. How should I go about reinstalling the entire kde package suite? as far as I can tell, apt-get reinstall kde4 will only reinstall the metapackage
[17:02] <DarthFrog> mangdood: You could always upgrade KDE to 4.9.1, which might also solve your problem.
[17:03] <DarthFrog> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-plasma-workspaces-applications-and-platform-491
[17:03] <mangdood> DarthFrog: heh, I think I've broken my system far too much to upgrade, probably
[17:03] <DarthFrog> Well, if it's not worth a shot ... :-)
[17:14] <viteac> Hi guys, Im new with Kubuntu, is there anybody help me with security matters?
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> define "Security matters"
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> and also, you have a dupe.
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> * viteac<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> * viteac_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[17:14] <viteac> dint know what is dupe
[17:14] <TheLordOfTime> viteac, you have two connections :P
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> to the same channel
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> perhaps you have quassel open one too many times ;)
[17:15] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, depends on what you mean by "security matters"
[17:16] <viteac> I have notice today that one of the user account have changed password, and I did not change it. I want to find where I can notice actions like this and prevent if of course.
[17:16] <viteac> I know there are logs, but  there is so many files in /var/log
[17:19] <viteac> Now is one probably
[17:23] <PeterME> Hmm, still can't figure out how to apply this patch..
[17:26] <viteac> same lamers like me :-)
[17:53] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:55] <DarthFrog> lordievader: Good morning.
[17:56] <lordievader> Hey DarthFrog, how are you?
[18:44]  * lordievader note to self: use visudo when editing the sudoers file!
[19:24] <Machtin> hey guys, probably a mainstream question, but I can't figure it out.. any way to use my ipod touch with KDE?
[19:25] <sex_offender> have you tried to use it through amarok?
[19:26] <Machtin> yup, can't see it there
[19:27] <Machtin> hm, got an idea.
[19:27] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: do you have libimobiledevice3 installed?
[19:28] <sex_offender> click on settings -> configue amarok -> plugins
[19:28] <sex_offender> check that ipod plugin is selected
[19:31] <sex_offender> #nick leeds_fan
[19:34] <sex_offender> i've forgotten how to change nickname
[19:35] <Machtin> SIR_Taco: 3? no.
[19:35] <TheLordOfTime> sex_offender, /nick newnick
[19:35] <sex_offender> thank you
[19:36] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: but you have a libimobiledrvice? (2, or something installed)
[19:36] <leeds_fan> thats better
[19:37] <Machtin> SIR_Taco: yes, 2
[19:37] <leeds_fan> you solved it yet?
[19:39] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: which ipod and iOS version?
[19:42] <Machtin> puh, let me check the device.. first time i hold it in my hand.
[19:43] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Media_Device:IPod shows supported devices and required programs (if applicable)
[19:43] <Machtin> SIR_Taco: i think it's an ipod touch with version "5.1.1. (9B206)"
[19:43] <Machtin> minus one "."
[19:45] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: Not sure if there are problems with newer iOS versions (there usually are)
[19:47] <Machtin> okay
[19:47] <SIR_Taco> Machtin: according to the Wiki entry (which may be out of date), firmwares v2.x+ may require jailbreaking due to a database incompatibility, unfortunately
[19:48] <Machtin> okay, guess it'll be just the virtualbox with itunes then.
[19:48] <SIR_Taco> yea, sorry
[19:51] <Machtin> no reason to apologize :) thanks for the help!
[20:30] <Walzmyn> I've got my power management set to put the computer to sleep after 90 min, but it does not. What can I do to fix this?
[20:30] <kubuntu> i need help
[20:31] <Guest39729> i need help!!
[20:31] <Guest39729> #nick Enrique
[20:32] <Guest39729> ¬¬
[20:32] <Walzmyn> Guest39729: just say what you need
[20:32] <Guest39729> estoy usando kubuntu 8.04.2 por nostalgia y veo que ai varias kosas ke necesitoo rekordar
[20:33] <Walzmyn> !es | Guest39729
[20:33] <Guest39729> no se komo instalar google chrome y tampoko puedo instalar chromium
[20:33] <c_smith> wow..... this guy doesn't get the message.
[20:33] <Walzmyn> That is Spanish, isn't it?
[20:34] <Guest39729> yes
[20:34] <Guest39729> ordinary spanish
[20:35] <Walzmyn> well, you're the only one here that can speak it
[20:36] <c_smith> Guest12039, just so you know, not too many people on this channel speak Spanish, I only know "no hable epanol" I probably mangled the spelling of even that.
[20:36] <Guest39729> k for que
[20:37] <Guest39729> or por for x
[20:44] <SIR_Taco> Walzmyn: in konsole, what does "xset -q" say for Suspend?
[20:51] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: Suspend off
[20:53] <SIR_Taco> Walzmyn: does is say "DPMS  is Enabled" ?
[20:56] <Walzmyn> DPMS is Enabled, SIR_Taco
[20:56] <SIR_Taco> "xset dpms X Y Z" where X, Y and Z are the time (in seconds) you wish to have your system Standby, Suspend, and Power Down (when on low battery) respectively
[20:57] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: this is a desktop
[20:57] <SIR_Taco> so to suspend/sleep after 90mins, you'd set it to 5400
[20:57] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: why does the KDE system settings power management utility not override this?
[20:59] <SIR_Taco> well then something like 'xset dpms 1800 5400 off' then if it's a desktop. I've found on some occassions, there's a disconnect between the power management utility and the actual settings for X, not sure what causes it, but usually when you set it manually once, it works as it should after that
[21:00] <Walzmyn> ok, thanks, I was going to put a zero instead of off, SIR_Taco
[21:00] <SIR_Taco> Walzmyn: should ignore it anyway since it has no battery ;)
[21:01] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: gave me an illegal combination of values error, suspend time of 5400 is greater than off time of 4800
[21:02] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: nevermind, did it with a '0' and it worked fine.
[21:02] <Walzmyn> Thank you very much for the help
[21:02] <SIR_Taco> knew it was something like that :P you're welcome
[21:28] <Frankko> how do i start kmix minimized if i want to use it in another Desktop enviroment as well. (in this case razor-qt)
[21:29] <Walzmyn> is there any way to watch youtuve videos though a real videwo player (VLC, Kaffeine...)?
[21:39] <SIR_Taco> Walzmyn: http://lifehacker.com/5577212/play-youtube-videos-directly-in-vlc-media-player
[21:40] <SIR_Taco> Frankko: have never used razor-qt, but it should have a startup programs list somewhere, just add kmix to that
[21:41] <Walzmyn> SIR_Taco: vlc dosen't seem to want to play it. I think I got xmbc to work
[21:47] <SIR_Taco> Walzmyn: if you were really bored, you could wget the page for the video, parse the dom, then load the url for the video file directly into a video player ;)
[22:15] <oneadvent> anyone know how to get system sound to control sound level? I get sound, just can't control it with kde. Can with built in apps, say youtube or amarok though
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> oneadvent: chances are that your kmix master channel is set to something you're not using (like digital out / hdmi/ etc)
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> oneadvent: if you click on the speaker icon in your tray click 'Mixer', click 'Settings' -> 'Select Master Channel...'
[23:41] <BarkingFish> Morning all :) Anyone around to give me some help quickly please?
[23:42] <lordnynex_> just ask your question
[23:43] <BarkingFish> lordnynex_, I always check first - usually when I come here, the place is quieter than a round of applause at a convention of people with no hands :)
[23:43] <BarkingFish> and please be a little more polite, thanks :D
[23:45] <BarkingFish> Now, the problem I have is with krunner - when I open it and start typing something in, every keypress triggers a "dong" noise - and it's not the system bell, I've checked, and that's disabled.  Any other ideas what it could be and how I switch it off please?
[23:45] <lordnynex_> and you will now get ZERO help from me. If you had just asked yoru question in the first place you'd be waiting for an answer and not someone typing 'yes'
[23:45] <lordnynex_> I've reached the peak number of retards I will fight today
[23:46] <BarkingFish> I happen to have been helping here well over a year, I'm patient, but I don't like people coming at me with that kind of attitude.   You're ignored. Don't bother.
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> very civil... nice
[23:47] <OerHeks> The reason the beeps occur is because KRunner finds multiple matches when you start typing .. solution: the problem by disabling the partial matching sound. This can be done by going into system settings -> notifications and selecting "KDE System Notifications" in the Event Source drop-down. Then disable the Textcompletion: Partial Match entry.
[23:47] <OerHeks> i love forums > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1167616
[23:47] <lordnynex_> I think I've just been FACED by a kubuntu helper of over a year
[23:48] <BarkingFish> Thank you OerHeks
[23:48] <BarkingFish> And SIR_Taco - By the time I come in here at night, the place is usually dead - I always check to see if people are about.
[23:49] <lordnynex_> I mean I would th ink a helper of #kubuntu for OVER A YEAR would know krunner like whoa by now, but I guess I'm just the new guy
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> BarkingFish: that wasn't in reference to you :P
[23:49] <BarkingFish> oh, ok :)
[23:49]  * OerHeks sips coffee
[23:55] <BarkingFish> OerHeks, I found it eventually. Looks like that url is now a little out of date - in the Systemsettings it goes - Audio and System Notifications > KDE Workspace > Textcompletion: Partial Match
[23:55] <OerHeks> ah, i was hoping it still was the same place. thanks,  noted.
[23:56] <BarkingFish> yw
[23:57] <BarkingFish> Been a while since I've been about - just dropped into apper today and discovered I have KDE 4.8.5 to download.  Nice - just shy of 323 files including security updates! That should keep my wifi busy in the morning :P
[23:58] <BarkingFish> <#kubuntu-offtopic


[08:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Youth Day! :-D
[14:25] <aquarius> o hai dobey :)
[14:25] <dobey> hey
[14:26] <aquarius> how's it going?
[14:26] <dobey> ok
[14:26] <dobey> you?
[14:26] <aquarius> actually, pretty well, modulo annoyance that porting C to JS is harder than I was hoping it would be :)
[14:27] <dobey> you're rewriting some C code in JS?
[14:28] <aquarius> ya. Echonest's song recogniser, echoprint, is open source, which is rather nice. But I don't want native code; I figured it'd be doable to port the recogniser to pure client-side JavaScript; then I could have something shazamish without compilation and cross-platform.
[14:28] <aquarius> (ignore, for the moment, how you get the song data *into* the browser; that's doable with the web audio API)
[14:29] <aquarius> I could use emscripten or something to compile the C to JS, but that seems massively overkill; it's just doing manipulation on arrays of numbers, so I thought I'd reimplement it in JS.
[14:29] <aquarius> (also, emscripten assumes you know a lot more about C than I do.)
[14:29] <dobey> is there a C lib too? i thought it was C++
[14:30] <aquarius> C++, sorry
[14:30] <aquarius> the recogniser has three stages: whiten, subband analysis, and creating the fingerprint. The first two stages were fine -- the meat of the code is practically unchanged between C and JS (as I say, it's just doing operations on a big array of numbers, even if that big array in C++ is actually a block of memory)
[14:31] <aquarius> the third stage, fingerprinting... it's confusing me, 'cos the code does C-ish things like index into an array with a negative index...which is obviously fine in C, where it's all just pointers under the covers, but not at all fine in JS, where arrays are a real thing rather than just syntactic sugar for memory access.
[14:31] <aquarius> that means I have to understand what the code's doing, not just blindly port it...and that's hard. Or it's hard for me, anyway :)
[14:33] <dobey> uh, negative index in C is not fine
[14:33] <aquarius> dobey, I invite you to consider https://github.com/echonest/echoprint-codegen/blob/master/src/Fingerprint.cxx#L115
[14:34] <dobey> aquarius: negative index in C results in undefined behavior
[14:35] <aquarius> j loops from 0 up to SUBBANDS. k loops from 0 up to nbn. Thus, pE[j-SUBBANDS*k] is pE[ (a number smaller than SUBBANDS) - SUBBANDS * (a positive number) ].
[14:35] <dobey> a[-1] /may/ give you the last element of a[], but i don't think it is guaranteed to do so
[14:35] <aquarius> I can't see how that's anything other than negative?
[14:36] <dobey> right. i didn't say that the code wasn't doing that. i said it's undefined. i also don't know what SUBBANDS is.
[14:36] <aquarius> defined as 8
[14:36] <aquarius> this sort of thing is why I'm finding this difficult :)
[14:38] <aquarius> originally I was pinging you about the whole call-this-library-from-ctypes-so-I-can-write-a-test-suite thing
[14:38] <dobey> right
[14:39] <aquarius> but in the end you convinced me that that was either hard or impossible, so I just dropped a load of print statements into the executable and ran the executable and piped the output to a text file, and then parsed the text file from js to write the test suite :)
[14:40] <dobey> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4006736/c-negative-array-index
[14:40] <dobey> i don't think c++ defines arrays differently, but it might
[14:43] <aquarius> right.
[14:43] <dobey> so that code in echoprint is buggy
[14:43] <aquarius> I have tweeted at the echonest people to whine at them
[14:44] <aquarius> for extra hilarity, JS appears to be treating floating point stuff with different precision than C++ does, but I have decided to ignore that for now -- the numbers come up pretty close to being the same, and I'm secretly hoping that that means that the fingerprints will be the same
[14:44] <aquarius> if it doesn't mean that, then I get to cry and go back and fix that, but that sounds like major hassle :)
[14:45] <dobey> oh yeah, floating point. fun times that
[14:45] <dobey> you're probably going to be crying :)
[14:48] <aquarius> right :)
[14:49] <aquarius> but the fingerprint code is what's killing me right now. I was really hoping to not have to walk through it line-by-line by hand and understand it all :(
[14:49] <aquarius> all the variables being called stuff like Eb and pE is not helping, I have to say.
[14:49] <dobey> i don't see any other way. especially given their variable names
[14:49] <dobey> heh
[14:49]  * aquarius grins
[14:49] <dobey> I presume Eb is some sort of class though
[14:50] <aquarius> tbh the goal was to have something shazamish on Ubuntu, but it's not clear to me whether the Touch browser will support modern stuff like the web audio API anyway; the Qt WebKit implementation is quite a way behind on this sort of thing
[14:51] <aquarius> meaning that this little project is very rapidly approaching the tipover point away from "that'd be a fun little hack" into "the hell with this hard work, I have paid things to do" :)
[14:51] <dobey> i suppose it wouldn't be terribly hard to write an echoprint app in C++ though
[14:52] <dobey> aside from the fact that code is apparently buggy
[14:53] <dobey> does echoprint-codegen have a testsuite itself that's easy to run from "make test" or something?
[14:57] <aquarius> hahahahahaha
[14:57] <dobey> was afraid of that
[14:57] <aquarius> aquarius@faith:~/Programs/Others/echoprint/echoprint-codegen/src$ grep test *
[14:57] <aquarius> AudioStreamInput.cxx:        // Not an exhaustive list. ogg and rm could be added if tested.
[14:57] <aquarius> grep: echoprint-codegen-ios: Is a directory
[14:57] <aquarius> no. :-)
[14:58] <dobey> i got that much from the maniacal laughter
[14:59] <aquarius> it wouldn't be hard to write a C++ app -- just use the library
[14:59] <aquarius> but I'm not interested in C++ :-)
[15:00] <aquarius> someone else could do that, though
[15:00] <aquarius> elleomea wrote "eyrie" for the N9 a while back which does this, so that should be even easier to port.
[15:02] <dobey> a test suite would be nice though; then i could set up a daily build which runs the tests on arm, i386, and amd64


[04:21] <Unit193> pleia2: Something something, good something.
[04:25] <Unit193> Hmm... Should have included the word "link" too.
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[17:52] <pleia2> Pendulum: if you have time in the next couple hours, can you do a quick editorial review? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue324
[18:00] <Pendulum> pleia2: I'm looking at it now :)
[18:01] <Unit193> Links still good.
[18:03] <Pendulum> it looks good to me
[18:03] <Pendulum> for the first time ever, I didn't find any proofreading issues or awkward sentences or anything :)
[18:05] <pleia2> thanks!
[22:33] <pleia2> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue324
[22:36] <Unit193> Links siiiiill good.


[01:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: :)
[02:01] <brousch> I have no idea what search terms these people are using that they miss Grand Rapids Linux groups http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12473629&postcount=55
[14:42] <snap-l> Good morning
[15:15] <rick_h_> party
[15:16] <rick_h_> snap-l: so glad to finally be mechanical?
[15:16] <rick_h_> took us a few years to get you there :P
[15:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, it's actually quite nice.
[15:47] <snap-l> I think I don't even he soft landing pads
[15:48] <snap-l> they quiet down the keys, but they also get in the way.
[15:48] <snap-l> Yeah, I think I'm becoming more rick_h_ every day. ;)
[15:48]  * snap-l ordered that cat littler thing
[15:48] <snap-l> http://shop.littersystem.com/Litter-Quick-Litter-Box-and-Sifting-System-SP-0241.htm
[15:49] <snap-l> And also got pissed off at Target for a poorly done Free Shipping promition
[16:41] <Wolfger> Ugh. First reboot after Pangolin upgrade, and laptop doesn't want to start again, freezes pre-grub
[16:42] <Wolfger> finally got it to boot, but still didn't see grub. Dual booting is out the window? :-(
[16:43] <Wolfger> Google says this is not unheard of
[16:45] <Wolfger> and of course the wonderful people of Launchpad marked the bug "invalid".
[16:58] <snap-l> Lovely.
[17:10] <Wolfger> at least it seems to be fixed now, but why would you still be shipping 8 months later with a bug like that
[17:34] <jcastro> snap-l: if you're not doing shit this afternoon I am jill-less with many concerts
[17:56] <snap-l> jcastro: Nuts. I have some errands to run, and then dinner with my parents this evening.
[17:58] <jcastro> nuts indeed


[11:38] <davengames17> Hi everyone
[01:26] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[08:53] <Lure> @schedule ljubljana
[08:53] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 05 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:04] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[11:04] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 05 Jun 21:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 12 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 13 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 14 Jun 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[03:09] <CIA-3> ubiquity: superm1 * r3896 ubiquity/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[03:09] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Remove has_separator property from gtk dialogs to prevent a warning
[03:09] <CIA-3> ubiquity: from gtk.Builder when they are loaded.
[03:46] <shtylman> how man one human deal with all the launchpad email
[04:36] <superm1> filters :)
[06:10] <Ou42> hello, anybody home?
[15:53] <cr3> I'm getting an apt-setup/cdrom/failed error window when installing the desktop image today. is there a convenient way to get log files from the system being installed over the network? on the alternate, I'm used to calling httpd which is a simple script calling nc to open /var/log through http
[17:37] <cjwatson> cr3: you could install openssh-server and scp them - just remember to set PermitEmptyPasswords yes, since the 'ubuntu' user has an empty password
[17:47] <cr3> cjwatson: I was hoping for a consistent way to retrieve information across alternate and desktop images, so perhaps I could simply run the same nc command as in the httpd script for the desktop install
[19:30] <cjwatson> cr3: up to you, I guess that would work modulo slightly different list of files to fetch
[19:31] <cr3> cjwatson: good point, /var/log/syslog (alternate) != /var/log/installer/debug (desktop)
[22:40] <shtylman> https://code.launchpad.net/~shtylman/ubiquity/kubuntu
[22:40] <shtylman> contains the language bugfix and greeter functionality ^
[23:06] <shtylman> a code review would be appreciated if there is time
[23:08] <ev> I'm not convinced we need the "please choose the language to use for the install process" message.  It's a pretty straightforward interface.
[23:10] <shtylman> ev: think so? I dunno... cause the old message used to talk about selecting the language to continue... but the new one doesn't... and feel that it is a bit unclear (at least to me) what I am supposed to think about this random box with languages in it
[23:10] <ev> shtylman: also, do you have any objection to using ubiquity/text/install_ubuntu instead of ubiquity/text/begin_install_button?  I think it's more consistent.
[23:11] <shtylman> yea... by objection is that I feel the text "install ubuntu" is unclear... and feels like as soon as you hit it, it will perform the install
[23:11] <ev> oem-config doesn't have any description text
[23:11] <ev> it simply puts the languages in front of you
[23:12] <ev> with the theory being that if the text is in a language you don't understand, you'll find your language in the list and click on it
[23:12] <shtylman> ev: ubiquity/text/welcome_text_oem_user_label
[23:12] <shtylman> look at that template
[23:12] <shtylman> I think thats what it uses... no?
[23:12] <ev> only because I missed that when updating the interface
[23:13] <ev> I'm keen to strip the last line off that string
[23:13] <ev> I don't want to overcrowd the interface with text to the point that people cease to read it
[23:13] <shtylman> ev: I think it is a very helpful line
[23:13] <shtylman> right.. but in this case the text is actually telling you about an option
[23:13] <shtylman> leaves all guessing aside
[23:14] <shtylman> installing is important.. the user should never feel like they arn't aware of what is happening
[23:14] <shtylman> just my thoughts on it
[23:14] <shtylman> I won't cry if it is taken out...
[23:14] <shtylman> but I did have a reason for adding it
[23:14] <shtylman> likewise for the "continue installation" text :)
[23:16] <shtylman> a valid concern is more text to translate... ill give you that
[23:16] <ev> sure, which is why I asked if you had an objection.  I have no intention of trying to strong-arm you.  If you want to leave it in, by all means. :)
[23:17] <ev> I still disagree, but I don't think anyone is going to complain of massive UI differences between the GTK and KDE frontends on account of a single line of text.
[23:17] <shtylman> ev: :) I would prefer to leave it just on the grounds that it makes things clearer (at least to me) ... but then again.. I wrote it... so I am biased
[23:18] <ev> heh
[23:18] <shtylman> ev: noted
[23:19] <shtylman> something I do want to look at tho... unrelated to these changes is the slowness in startup
[23:20] <shtylman> somewhere there is a bottleneck... cause in my vm... when I launch the installer I can see the unreplaced text before it replaces it
[23:20] <shtylman> like its still thinking about something
[23:20] <shtylman> I will need to investigate that
[23:23]  * shtylman just finished yelling at my monitor... I think my neighbors think im crazy
[23:25] <ev> shtylman: see my change to the GTK+ frontend on that
[23:25]  * ev digs for the revspec
[23:25] <ev> we hide the text and language selector until they're ready
[23:25] <shtylman> ev: ahh.. I see.. interesting..
[23:26] <ev> 3871
[23:26] <shtylman> ev: a nice fix... but I do wanna know why it takes a while for it to start up... is this internal behavior? or frontend specific?
[23:27] <ev> the page is shown as soon as it can be, not as soon as the text that's going to be displayed is known
[23:27] <ev> between those two states is the running of localechooser
[23:27] <ev> which can take a noticeable amount of time
[23:28] <shtylman> I see
[23:33] <ev> so roughly, start up ubiquity and its ui frontend -> run the d-i component for the language page (localechooser) -> wait for a the localechooser/languagelist debconf question to be asked -> build a translation map, figure out the default language, etc -> populate the UI with the language list from debconf -> select the default language -> translate and substitute (RELEASE, MEDIUM, etc) the instructional text, and now we're ready for the user :)
[23:34] <shtylman> and this can't happen quickly? :p
[23:34] <shtylman> I would think 2 cores of an i7 and 2 GB of ram.. it should be a _bit_ quicker than it is...
[23:35] <ev> it's a lot quicker than it used to be
[23:35] <shtylman> but maybe I have unrealistic expectations... sigh
[23:35] <ev> no, but it's a hard nut to crack
[23:36] <superm1> i think that is causing problems if you run ubiquity in non maybe mode where quit keeps focus
[23:36] <ev> I've noticed the quit keeps focus thing as well
[23:36] <ev> I suspect it's that we try to set the next button as the default but it's disabled at the time
[23:36] <ev> a race of sorts
[23:37] <superm1> so maybe need to special case it that after the text gets substituted in and shown, reset next as the focused item
[23:38] <ev> or perhaps we should always wait until next can be selected to make it the default?
[23:39] <superm1> that probably is the smarter way


[01:38] <cheeseboy> im trying to compile mysql i get these errors http://pastebin.ca/600579 how do i fix?
[01:58] <nealmcb> cheeseboy: you might ask mysql folks in their own chat room.  why do you want to recompile rather than installing the package via apt-get?
[01:59] <cheeseboy> no root privliges
[02:01] <nealmcb> cheeseboy: you'll probably have better luck with the mysql folks then - looks like your source package is missing something
[04:29] <redline6561> i'm having a lot of trouble uploading files with vsftpd. can anyone help me figure out what I'm doing wrong?
[04:31] <redline6561> i've tried uploading with filezilla and gftp. i'm uploading from my local machine to a machine in the basement. i've set write_enable and local_enable and local_umask to 022.
[04:31] <redline6561> whenever i try to upload a directory (say with music in it) it creates the top directory with permissions d------------ and fails to create anything beneath it.
[04:31] <redline6561> help?
[04:35] <redline6561> aww hell with it. i just got it to work with SFTP. forget regular ftp. thanks anyway everybody
[05:08] <Yahooadam> hey guys, 2 quick questions
[05:08] <Yahooadam> how do i find the stauts of samba (i thought it would be somthing like /etc/init.d/samba status)
[05:08] <Yahooadam> and my samba does not seem to load on bootup, whats goin on ?
[09:53] <J-_> I'm currently trying to get PHPmailer working in a LAMP install. libphp phpmailer  uses php4 along with some other dependencies. I'm just wonder if that'll affect or work with php5, etc?
[03:17] <stonekeeper> hi guys, how can i find out if a package has been backported to dapper LTS? thanks.
[03:27] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: you can have a look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:27] <stonekeeper> thanks
[03:27] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: you can search for packages in the dapper-backports distribution.
[03:29] <stonekeeper> yeah, thanks. openldap still at 2.2. How could i get 2.3 for dapper?
[03:31] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: you can try to file a bug in ubuntu-backports.
[03:31] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: See [WWW]  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports for more information.
[03:33] <stonekeeper> thanks
[03:38] <stonekeeper> ok, i guess I'll have to use feisty server. How long will that have updates for?
[03:44] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: feisty is supported until October 2008.
[03:45] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: you can have the list of releases and their end of support date on http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:45] <stonekeeper> but there will be upgrade options right? It's not like the box will be dead in the water right?
[03:49] <mathiaz> stonekeeper: yes. You'll be able to upgrade to Gutsy Gibbons, the next version that will be released in October.
[03:50] <stonekeeper> thanks. I'll do that.
[04:11] <JackC> does the ubuntu-server default kernel have ntfs write support built in?
[04:20] <shawarma> no
[04:21] <shawarma> And you wouldn't want it to. :)
[06:51] <JackC> does ubuntu server use xinetd or inetd?
[06:52] <ivoks> none
[06:52] <ivoks> by default none
[06:52] <JackC> ah i see, so if i have installed the samba SWAT daemon, how would i go about enabling it? normally i would just add it to the inetd :s
[06:53] <ivoks> install inetd and add it
[06:54] <JackC> ok thanks alot
[06:55] <ivoks> np
[06:56] <ivoks> package is called netkit-inetd
[07:21] <jdstrand> dendrobates: can you look at my updated comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heimdal/+bug/123782
[07:35] <JackC> which is the correct config file for apache? there is both /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[07:37] <mathiaz> JackC: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[07:37] <JackC> thanks
[07:37] <mathiaz> JackC: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf should be empty
[07:38] <JackC> it is, i was just trying to change the documentroot, but it seems adding it to apache2.conf didnt change it, and that i need to edit sites-available instead, is it configured to use virtual hosts or something? Last time i used apache2 i just chanced the DocumentRoot in apache2.conf
[07:40] <mathiaz> JackC: yes. You should change it in site-available/default
[07:40] <JackC> ok thanks alot
[08:28] <Shane-S> how do I check my version from the CL?
[08:29] <nealmcb> Shane-S: version of what?
[08:29] <Shane-S> Ubuntu, not sure of it is 6.0.6 or 6.10
[08:29] <nealmcb> command --version often works, or command --help
[08:30] <nealmcb> ahh -
[08:30] <Shane-S> tried version :P
[08:30] <nealmcb> more /etc/lsb-release
[08:30] <nealmcb> the official standard for finding linux versions :-)
[08:31] <Shane-S> ok 6.10, just want to know for my questions
[08:31] <nealmcb> thanks!
[08:31] <nealmcb> version info really helps when you ask questions
[08:32] <Shane-S> I am running in a virtual testing enviroment, and I know I can set the IP, but in doing so I can't see it on the network of course. So, is there a way to "spoof" and IP address to trick software to think the machine is another IP...
[08:32] <nealmcb> by the way, there is no 6.0.6,  - you probably mean  version 6.06
[08:32] <Shane-S> specifically, it is web-based running Apache/PHP so maybe it would be a #apache question, just not sure
[08:33] <Shane-S> yeah, 6.06 :D I have like every version from 6.06 to 6.10 from U,K,X, and the server editions :P
[08:33] <nealmcb> you can serve multiple IP addresses from a single interface
[08:34] <nealmcb> and there are tools to send arbitrary packets.  what do you want to do?
[08:34] <Shane-S> well here is probably the kicker, if I serve multiple IP, that is fine, but the software checks the IP and I am not sure if I can see it on the network or if it respond to a local IP
[08:35] <Shane-S> well the damn vendor keeps releasing new software packages, which is great, but everytime my templates break and I have to pay a coder to "fix" them...so this time I want to test it before taking my site down
[08:35] <nealmcb> what software?
[08:36] <Shane-S> however, the key for the software is some hash that includes my host's IP address, so installing it localy doesn't work
[08:36] <Shane-S> indexu by nicecoder
[08:36] <nealmcb> can you run it on a different port?
[08:37] <nealmcb> is there a free software alternative?
[08:37] <Shane-S> well it doesn't care about the port, as apache processing it with PHP, so I am sure just adjusting Apache's port will change that
[08:38] <nealmcb> sounds like a problem for nicecoder's support folks :-)
[08:38] <Shane-S> lol no in my case, I like the software and paid for it, just need a test enviroment, and it doesn't work without the key code. I will just try it and complain to them :P
[08:39] <Shane-S> well if I could just make it think the IP was the internet one that would be fine, which I know I can do. I will just have to harass them to remove the IP portion, cause that also limits me to switching hosting account, which I have done
[08:39] <Shane-S> this is a case I can't have my cake and eat it too
[08:39] <Shane-S> I guess I could if I used the desktop versio
[08:39] <Shane-S> then I would have Firefox
[08:40] <Shane-S> lol...so many "methods" :P
[08:40] <Shane-S> perhaps Desktop is the best overall, then I can make it have the same IP as the internet one, test it, get it working, and then upload it to the production server
[10:08] <r00tintheb0x> if i were to "dd if=/dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s2 of=/dev/rdsk/c0t4d0s2 bs=128" would the two partitions have to be the same size or would it just use the free space on /dev/rdsk/c0t4d0s2?
[10:16] <jetole> hey guys
[10:19] <jetole> I have a server that I just replaced then NIC  cards in today, I installed two identical belkin gigabit ethernet cards, they both show up under ifconfig -a but the second card gives me IRQ handler type mismatch for IRQ 0, and on the second line it says IRQ handler: timer, but the first card seems to work perfectly, does anyone know what I do other then throw this server through a window?
[10:24] <lcdd> jetole: i'm just guessing, but does the second card share interrupts with some other device?
[10:25] <jetole> I don't know, how would I check?
[10:25] <jetole> I am looking over dmesg atm but not sure what I am looking for
[10:26] <lcdd> cat /proc/interrupts
[10:27] <jetole> I guess it does, it only shows one ethernet on /proc/interupts and it shows "timer" on :0
[10:28] <jetole> is there a way to fix this that you know of?
[10:30] <lcdd> if there is a way to allocate IRQs in bios setup, i would try to force one for the card
[10:31] <jetole> I didn't see one
[10:31] <lcdd> switching the card physically to another slot might work. other than that, i don't really know
[10:35] <jetole> Right, I am just reading something at the moment on APIC but switching it may be easier
[10:36] <jetole> another thing I am gonna toss fourth before I try switching it, is they are identical cards, if one gets the first interupt they request maybe the second one defaults to 0, but yeah I am not sure so I am gonna walk over and reboot and switch
[10:37] <nealmcb> r00tintheb0x: /dev/rdsk/c0t4d0s2 has a fixed size and no notion of space allocation when you write to it that way.  if it is a smaller size than the one you copy from, you'll  not get it all, and if it is bigger, you'll waste space
[10:37] <jetole> ok, it is booting now, lets hope it works so I can go home for the day
[10:38] <nealmcb> of course the file system inside the partition has a notion of free space, but the dd command to copy to another partition doesn't know that
[10:38] <jetole> oh also, these two new cards started at eth2 and eth3, is there somewhere that eth0 and eth1 are saved?
[10:41] <jetole> nevermind, found it
[10:41] <jetole> /etc/iftab


[05:15] <mup> Bug #1452557 was opened: 1.8b4 unable to select "secure disk wipe" when releasing <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452557>
[11:43] <mup> Bug #1450729 was opened: juju should be able to use nodes acquired by the same user in MAAS <deploy> <landscape> <maas-provider> <juju-core:Triaged> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450729>
[12:30] <wallyworld> rvba: hey, i've finally implemented maas storage in juju. it's based entirely on the maas/juju spec. i've not managed to test it live, but it will be in a juju 1.24 beta due out tomorrow. if the spec i correct and my implementation of the spec is correct, it should work, maybe :-)
[12:30] <rvba> wallyworld: fingers crossed :)
[12:30] <wallyworld> yeah
[12:31] <wallyworld> my kvm maas still doesn't work
[12:31] <wallyworld> node fails to transition to deployed
[12:31] <wallyworld> it does power on ok though which was the issue previosuly
[12:32] <wallyworld> but this is 1.8 beta4 so maybe there's an issue somewhere. but we'll see tomorrow if storage works
[13:25] <mup> Bug #1450765 changed: 1.8b4: Can't delete block of 151 nodes - delete operation fails afterwards <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450765>
[13:25] <mup> Bug #1452716 was opened: Unable to delete a node when the DHCP server is down on the cluster <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452716>
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1443700 changed: Node.release is not using post_commit hooks <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443700>
[14:10] <mup> Bug #1443700 was opened: Node.release is not using post_commit hooks <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443700>
[14:16] <mup> Bug #1443700 changed: Node.release is not using post_commit hooks <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443700>
[17:35] <mup> Bug #1452832 was opened: 1.8b4: isc-dhcp-server service status always stop/waiting while dhcpd process shows running <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452832>
[18:44] <mup> Bug #1452832 changed: 1.8b4: isc-dhcp-server service status always stop/waiting while dhcpd process shows running <oil> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452832>
[22:21] <mup> Bug #1452927 was opened: Clicking on a tag on the node details page doesn't take me to a listing of nodes with that tag <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452927>
[22:21] <mup> Bug #1452929 was opened: OS selection for "Deploy" action should show the actual default OS instead of "default OS" <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452929>
[22:21] <mup> Bug #1452931 was opened: Storage section in node detail page doesn't have 'model' underlined in column header until it's clicked <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452931>