[00:10] <davef> Jimmy Carr is in Montreal tonight https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tbYfUxvb/20220727_195707.jpg
[10:54] <zxmpi> berndard cribbins dead, here's his the hobbit jackanory https://youtu.be/n221gNQSUgk
[17:01] <daftykins> davef: lots of empty seats
[17:01] <davef> that was about 20mins before the show
[17:02] <daftykins> :D
[17:02] <davef> it was a full theater


[17:12] <Prim> any one around
[17:13] <Guest69302> any one know how to fix this  Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/fossfreedom/packagefixes/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[17:14] <Guest69302> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kirillshkrogalev/ffmpeg-next/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[17:59] <Guest69302> ..
[18:04] <krytarik> Guest69302: It seems like those PPAs don't provide any packages for Xenial.
[18:06] <Guest69302> so does that mean its not inportant
[18:06] <Guest69302> im having an issue with kdenlive after i upgraded it so wasnt sure if it could ahve had something to do with it
[18:08] <EleanorEllis1> I tried and failed to install the Native Client for Google Chrome but now, when I start Chrome, it says "You are using an unsupported command-line flag: --extensions-on-chrome-urls. Stability and security will suffer." How do I access the command line entry for the XFCE menu?
[18:47] <Guest69302> any one have an issue with a gray project monitor with new update in kdenlive?
[18:48] <dokerB3D> hi
[18:48] <dokerB3D> someone know best app for ToDo list organize
[18:49] <OvenWerks> maybe ask in #xubuntu would be best.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> (Studio uses the same desktop)
[18:50] <dokerB3D> thx i understend
[19:03] <Guest69302> any one have issues with the latest kdenlive


[01:53] <HiddenCannon> I just installed xubuntu, and now my computer won't start
[01:53] <HiddenCannon> Please help
[01:55] <HiddenCannon> I've got a black screen with three messages
[01:55] <HiddenCannon> "/dev/sda1: recovering journal"
[01:55] <HiddenCannon> "/dev/sda1: Superblock last mount time is in the future.
[01:56] <HiddenCannon> "(by less than a day, probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set)"
[01:56] <HiddenCannon> "/dev/sda1: clean, 6025/15269888 files, 2040187/61049344 blocks"
[02:03] <Unit193> How long did you leave it at that point?  Is there screen flashing?  You should remove  'quiet splash'  from the grub boot options.
[02:03] <HiddenCannon> How do I do that? all I have is a blank screen
[02:57] <Deadlock783> Okay so I am using xubuntu (duh) and I am having problems with xrandr, it's saying xrandr: failed to get size of gamma for output default....How do I fix this for my monitor so I can setup my two monitors
[06:30] <codebrainz> hi. for 16.04, how can I get a volume control in the panel?
[06:30] <codebrainz> i tried xfce4-goodies and xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, neither does anything
[06:31] <codebrainz> xfce4-mixer isn't found in repos
[07:49] <Unit193> (Answered elsewhere: volumeicon-alsa)
[07:50] <codebrainz> yeah, thanks again
[07:51] <Unit193> Sure thing, been using it for quite a while. :)
[09:28] <sugardrunk> oh thanks :) got the answer about the volume control... was thinking it yesterday totally drunk... now everything is set, more coffee. Thanks commonity.
[09:28] <sugardrunk> *munity :)
[11:26] <xubuntu59i> hi
[11:26] <xubuntu59i> what can i do here?
[11:27] <xubuntu59i> bye
[13:35] <bliplap> hi all, I've always used Xubuntu on my laptops for the lighter weight/performance - but on current hardware Ubuntu and Kubuntu wms run just as fast.   Do you think it's reasonable to still use XFCE in 2017, just because I feel it's more distraction free?   I'll still need to install some Gnome/KDE libs for certain apps.  any thoughts ?
[13:48] <Spass> bliplap: hello, my thoughts are 1) people should use whatever they like the most 2) people are leaving IRC after they asked a question way to early
[19:04] <drumcode303> how do i do /mount -t autofs /dev/sda1 /mnt/somewhere when i want to mount a specific device by id that is listed in /lsusb, but not in thunar/disks/gparted/fdisk?
[19:07] <drumcode303> the output of /lsusb would be: Bus 002 Device 004: ID 1043:8011 name of the usb stick. but how would i integrate the device id into the mount command?
[19:09] <diogenes_> try blkid
[19:09] <diogenes_> sudo blkid
[19:10] <drumcode303> the usb stick is not listed in blkid
[19:10] <diogenes_> maybe it has no falesystem?
[19:11] <diogenes_> filesystem*
[19:11] <drumcode303> it likely has, there is data on it, probably just not recognised yet
[19:11] <diogenes_> trylsblk
[19:11] <diogenes_> lsblk
[19:12] <drumcode303> probably listed as sr0
[19:12] <drumcode303> judging by size, and it's listed as: rom
[19:13] <diogenes_> try sudo fsck /dev/sr0
[19:13] <diogenes_> but I doubt it's your usb
[19:13] <mrkramps> check logfiles with dmesg or journalctl
[19:14] <mrkramps> should tell you what's going on there
[19:14] <diogenes_> yes you can try dmesg | grep "sdb" (or sdc)
[19:19] <drumcode303> 1) fsck for sr0: fsck.ext2: No medium found while trying to open /dev/sr0
[19:19] <drumcode303> 2) dmesg | grep sr0: [    2.268982] sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
[19:19] <drumcode303> [    2.269133] sr 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
[19:19] <drumcode303> looks like my cd rom that is not powered, but still inside the tower.
[19:20] <drumcode303> well, /lsusb clearly shows it though. i wanted to try to mount it by device ID, not a good idea that way?
[19:21] <drumcode303> journalctl - can't read anything useable from it i'm afraid
[19:21] <diogenes_> i guess you can't mount it by id
[19:22] <diogenes_> it's just vendor id and device id whereas you need uuid
[19:23] <diogenes_> does gparted show it?
[19:27] <drumcode303> no gparted does not show it, not even as unallocated.
[19:27] <mrkramps> because your system did not find any block device
[19:27] <diogenes_> install gnome-disks
[19:27] <diogenes_> then unplug and reconnect it
[19:28] <mrkramps> rather use journalctl -f , unplug and plug it back in … then check the journal output
[19:28] <mrkramps> installing gnome-disks is completely pointless for analysing this issue
[19:29] <drumcode303> gnome-disk-utility shows as installed in synaptic
[19:29] <diogenes_> drumcode303, then type in menu disks
[19:30] <diogenes_> sometimes I had more luck with gnome disks than with gparted
[19:31] <drumcode303> do i have to do ctrl+c each time the prompt doesn't bring me back to myname@myname:~$ to be able to enter the next command?
[19:32] <drumcode303> when i do journalctl -f it suspends in the air it seems, ctrl+c brings me back
[19:32] <mrkramps> drumcode303, you could use a second terminal window?
[19:33] <mrkramps> but yeah, journalctl -f follows the journal live and requires a manual exit
[19:34] <drumcode303> ahh ok i see.  - want me to copy paste it in here?
[19:34] <mrkramps> no here, but use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ instead
[19:34] <mrkramps> and paste the url here
[19:37] <drumcode303> is it a problem that anyone sees my login name? :f
[19:37] <drumcode303> better erase before?
[19:37] <diogenes_> :) we can hack via ssh :)
[19:38] <drumcode303> that everyone could see*
[19:38] <drumcode303> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24532508/
[19:38] <mrkramps> the device should be /dev/sdd
[19:39] <mrkramps> but it is lacking partions/file system
[19:39] <drumcode303> so i go? /mount -t autofs /dev/sdd /mnt/usbstick
[19:40] <mrkramps> drumcode303, your system did not find something to mount
[19:41] <mrkramps> there's somthign wrong with the usb stick
[19:41] <mrkramps> or the file system at least
[19:43] <drumcode303> i'm sure it was fat32 a year ago
[19:44] <mrkramps> have you tried mounting it with another computer or operating system?
[19:44] <diogenes_> drumcode303, if you won't find a workaround for it then, before you go to bed, put your usb stick into the fridge and in the morning try to plug it in again, rumors say it helps or, if it's a firmware failure then you can go to flashboot.ru introduce your VID and PID and see if they have the available recovery software for your device
[19:44] <drumcode303> mrkramps: no i haven't, will try that next then.
[19:45] <drumcode303> the fridge workaround sounds lovely :D
[19:45] <diogenes_> :)
[19:46] <drumcode303> thanks a lot for your great help guys!
[19:46] <diogenes_> yw
[19:48] <drumcode303> disks does recognise at least one of the sticks.
[19:51] <drumcode303> if you want to look at no.2 :)) https://paste.ubuntu.com/24532585/
[19:52] <drumcode303> this second thumb drive is rather new (32GB) the former was very old (512MB)
[19:54] <drumcode303> mrkramps still around?
[19:54] <mrkramps> yes, researching …
[19:54] <drumcode303> awesome!
[19:54] <drumcode303> gparted error: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.
[19:55] <drumcode303> i'll try both on windows, brb 10minutes.
[20:03] <drumcode303> re
[20:04] <mrkramps> wb
[20:04] <drumcode303> ty:)
[20:05] <drumcode303> win recognises the thumb drive, offers to format it, then goes on to say that there is no device in G:/
[20:06] <mrkramps> sounds like a hardware issue to me
[20:07] <drumcode303> other usb pen drives work though, it is just those two that don't
[20:07] <diogenes_> drumcode303, on windows you can try minitool power ecovery
[20:09] <drumcode303> can i partition them somehow anyway and waive data recovery?
[20:10] <diogenes_> drumcode303, with that software is searches for lost partitions and filesystems and recovers your data first, then you can format it
[20:10] <drumcode303> shouldn't linux be able to that as well/better?
[20:11] <diogenes_> yes, but you should know how to do that
[20:11] <drumcode303> i ran testdisk on one of the sticks a week ago, many i/o errors, but i didn't know how to proceed really.
[20:13] <drumcode303> are you referring to this? http://download.cnet.com/MiniTool-Power-Data-Recovery-Free-Edition/3000-2094_4-10561431.html
[20:17] <diogenes_> minitool power recovery
[20:17] <diogenes_> it recovers 1GB for free, what is more you have to pay
[20:18] <drumcode303> once i got away from windows, i don't really feel like going back there to fix problems with proprietary software :P
[20:20] <diogenes_> me too, but if you have to recover EXTREMELY important data, then you should,
[20:20] <drumcode303> mrkramps: any other notion from the last journalctl btw? should I just dump the thumb drives or could it be some usb issue with my hardware?
[20:21] <drumcode303> going to try a different system anyway before i retire them
[20:29] <mrkramps> i'd guess the drives are both broken
[20:30] <mrkramps> you could try some data recovery with gddrescue and running testdisk on the image
[20:30] <mrkramps> but i'd not expect much
[20:31] <drumcode303> ok tyvm :)


[00:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ubuntucinnamon-wallpapers [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [23.10] (no packageset)
[05:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ubuntucinnamon-wallpapers [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [23.10]
[08:05] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, can we please kick ulex0.8 out from mantic? Debian bug: #1051377
[08:05] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1051377 in ftp.debian.org "RM: ulex0.8 -- ROM; no more rdeps; FTBFS" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1051377
[11:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: golang-1.15 (mantic-proposed/primary) [1.15.9-6]
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> please REJECT IT ^^
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> mistype 15 instead of 19
[11:00] <LocutusOfBorg> meh
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> (I'm syncing due to CVE-2023-29409 and CVE-2023-29406.
[11:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Extremely large RSA keys in certificate chains can cause a client/server to expend significant CPU time verifying signatures. With fix, the size of RSA keys transmitted during handshakes is restricted to <= 8192 bits. Based on a survey of publicly trusted RSA keys, there are currently only three certificates in circulation with keys larger than this, and all three a... <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-29409>
[11:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- The HTTP/1 client does not fully validate the contents of the Host header. A maliciously crafted Host header can inject additional headers or entire requests. With fix, the HTTP/1 client now refuses to send requests containing an invalid Request.Host or Request.URL.Host value. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-29406>
[11:15] <LocutusOfBorg> (and other cves, such as CVE-2023-39320 CVE-2023-39318 CVE-2023-39319 CVE-2023-39321 CVE-2023-39322
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-39320>
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-39318>
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-39319>
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-39321>
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. <https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2023-39322>
[12:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rsync [source] (focal-proposed) [3.1.3-8ubuntu0.7]
[13:36] <rbasak> doko: is your sync of valgrind-is-available into Jammy unapproved intentional?
[13:36] <rbasak> *if
[14:03] <doko> rbasak: I added it to the i386-whitelist, yes. but if we cannot add it, I think I can work around it as well, replacing b-d's with valgrind [!riscv64]
[14:14] <rbasak> doko: I don't understand it as it appears in the Unapproved queue. 3.18.1 is already in Jammy, no?
[14:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (lunar-proposed/main) [4:7.5.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 4:7.5.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-desktop)
[14:21] <ricotz> rbasak, hi :), in case you are still doing SRU reviews today, there is libreoffice for lunar ^
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted edubuntu-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.72.1]
[14:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntustudio-menu [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.55.1]
[14:33] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: Reuploaded ubuntustudio-menu with changes to d/control reverted.
[14:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-menu (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.72 => 0.72.1] (ubuntustudio)
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-websockets [source] (jammy-proposed) [10.2-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:40] <rbasak> Eickmeyer: thanks. Did you see the Jammy issue too?
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: That's about to be uploaded too. :)
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> There was a problem in the git history between jammy and kinetic, so that's why it wasn't caught.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: Uploaded.
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-menu (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.55 => 0.55.1] (ubuntustudio)
[14:43]  * Eickmeyer isn't messing around with this .desktop file update :)
[14:50] <rbasak> ack, looking
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted netplan.io [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:53] <rbasak> Looks good now. Accepting - thanks!
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-menu [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.72.1]
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-menu [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.55.1]
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libfprint (jammy-proposed/main) [1:1.94.3+tod1-0ubuntu2~22.04.04 => 1:1.94.3+tod1-0ubuntu2~22.04.06] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected golang-1.15 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [1.15.9-6]
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected netplan.io [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted netplan.io [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (jammy-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (lunar-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu13.3]
[17:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ec2-hibinit-agent [source] (focal-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu9.5]
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mokutil (focal-security/main) [0.6.0-2~20.04.1 => 0.6.0-2~20.04.2] (core) (sync)
[17:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mokutil (jammy-security/main) [0.6.0-2~22.04.1 => 0.6.0-2~22.04.2] (core) (sync)
[18:08] <Eickmeyer> Is there something weird going on with lunar-proposed? Trying to test a package, enabled the repo, and all packages are up to date. Confirmed the box is looking and getting the lists,  and proposed wasn't enabled prior to 'apt update.'
[18:09] <Eickmeyer> In other words, everything is correct/as it should be.
[18:11] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: lunar was 1st release with not-automatic, so you need to actively ask apt to install the new version IIRC
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: I did.
[18:12] <ricotz> see apt-cache policy PKG
[18:13] <RikMills> yes, apt upgrade won't be enough
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> I never use upgrade when proposed is enabled.
[18:14] <RikMills> what is the command you are using then?
[18:14] <RikMills> so we are very clear
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> sudo apt install ubuntustudio-menu. I guess I need to use --from
[18:15] <RikMills> what about sudo apt install ubuntustudio-menu/lunar-proposed
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> That works.
[18:16] <RikMills> kool :)
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> I guess I didn't get the memo that it wouldn't be not-automatic. Again, one of those communication failures I've been screaming about.
[18:16] <RikMills> it is documented 'somewhere'
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Not good enough.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I'm not saying it's intentional or that it's in bad faith, but things like that need to be sent out in ML post.
[18:18] <RikMills> I don't recall where I learnt that from
[18:19] <ricotz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed ;)
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> ricotz: Like I said, "documented somewhere" isn't good enough when it's a major change.
[18:21] <RikMills> has always been the case when you manually in proposed lower
[18:21] <ricotz> I guess this is outdated while "selective upgrading" would be the default now
[18:21] <RikMills> but I do think there was a mailing list notification when that became defult
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> I don't recall seeing a ML notification about this.
[18:21] <RikMills> but can't find it just this sec
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> And I'm not subscribed to every single discourse post.
[18:31] <RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2022-November/042338.html
[18:31] <RikMills> all I can find in a quick look
[18:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (jammy-proposed/main) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.13 => 1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.14] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[18:45] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: That looks like it stalled-out with no clear notice that it was being done. Still a lack of communication and continuation of that thread.
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mokutil [sync] (focal-security) [0.6.0-2~20.04.2]
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mokutil [sync] (jammy-security) [0.6.0-2~22.04.2]
[19:16]  * RikMills shrugs
[19:25] <vorlon> "I have set this flag now" isn't clear?
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: It's not a clear notice *to everyone* that this is a major change and not merely a discussion. I feel that, as such, it needs to be a separate thread and made a major announcement that the behavior is changing so people aren't off-guard.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> It's not a clear announcement. It's merely discussion.
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (jammy-proposed/main) [2.765.25 => 2.765.26] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[20:16] <vorlon> did someone here retry the deal.ii/riscv64 build?
[21:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-menu (lunar-proposed/universe) [0.72.1 => 0.72.2] (ubuntustudio)
[21:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: edubuntu-menu (lunar-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (no packageset)
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> rbasak: If you're still around, bug 2025196 is verification-failed, so ^ those two uploads fix the issue.
[21:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2025196 in ubuntustudio-menu (Ubuntu Lunar) "[SRU] Conflicts with edubuntu-menu and ubuntustudio-menu" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2025196
[22:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: 46 entries have been added, updated or disabled
 hello, can we please kick ulex0.8 out from mantic? Debian bug: #1051377
[22:30] <LocutusOfBorg> -ubottu/#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1051377 in ftp.debian.org "RM: ulex0.8 -- ROM; no more rdeps; FTBFS" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1051377
[22:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1051377 in ftp.debian.org "RM: ulex0.8 -- ROM; no more rdeps; FTBFS" [Normal, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1051377
[22:33] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: doesn't show up as a build failure on https://people.canonical.com/~ginggs/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20230830-mantic-mantic.html ?
[22:34] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ulex0.8/1.2-2build4
[22:34] <LocutusOfBorg> proposed pocket shows the failure...
[22:34] <LocutusOfBorg> it's related to camlp5
[22:35] <vorlon> ah got it
[22:36] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: done
[22:37] <LocutusOfBorg> camlp5 got a minor update, for compatibility with newer ocaml and some pcre->pcre2 moving and fixes (will we ever remove pcre3 from the archive? )
[22:37] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm really working to port/fix pcre3 apps to move to pcre2
[22:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230907)


[05:24] <dpm> good morning everyone
[05:27] <timp> good morning david
[05:30] <dpm> hey, good morning timp :)
[05:31] <dpm> bzoltan, when you guys have got a minute, could you check if bug 1229571 is indeed a bug in the toolkit?
[05:31] <dpm> hm, bug bot died?
[05:31] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1229571
[05:47] <mihir_> good Morning :)
[05:57] <timp> dpm: it might be a UITK bug. I think I won't manage to check in detail today if it really is, and tomorrow my holidays start
[05:57] <timp> dpm: but I left a comment on the bug report
[06:26] <dpm> thanks timp
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <nik90|Office> dpm: regarding your question, the clock app uses geonames.org which provides an extensive set of API for this purpose
[07:52] <dpm> nik90|Office, thanks. I know m-b-o was looking into using the Mapquest API (http://developer.mapquest.com/web/products/open/geocoding-service) - did you have a look at it when you picked the API to use for city locations? Do you know if it offers any advantages over geonames.org?
[07:54] <nik90|Office> dpm: I did not know about mapquest when I chose geonames.org. However on geoname's website, they stated that their services are (or was) being used by the ubuntu installer
[07:54] <nik90|Office> dpm: and after looking through their webservices it suited the needs of the clock app
[07:54] <dpm> yeah, I think it still is, and also for tthe time indicator
[07:55] <nik90|Office> dpm: that said, if mapquest seems better, switching to it should be easy enough
[07:55] <m-b-o> dpm, nik90|Office: Hi, did I missed something? :)
[07:56] <dpm> hi m-b-o, morning!
[07:56] <dpm> we were just talking with nik90|Office about using geonames.org vs. mapquest
[07:56] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: dpm told me you are looking into mapquest API and wanted to know if I looked at it when I chose geonames.org for the clock app
[07:56] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: and good morning :)
[07:56] <dpm> nik90|Office, I don't know yet, trying to get a feel on whether it gives us data we need or not. Do you get the country names for the cities from geonames.org as well? Does it give you e.g. US states too?
[07:57] <nik90|Office> dpm: it gives me city name, state and country names
[07:57] <m-b-o> even better, also county names in GB or "Landkreise"  in Deutschland
[07:58] <dpm> m-b-o, I guess that's with mapquest, right? nik90|Office do you know if geonames gives us that as well? ^
[07:58] <m-b-o> it's really good, but I'm unsure about timezones at the moment
[07:58] <m-b-o> dpm: yes, mapquest
[08:00] <nik90|Office> dpm: geonames does provides names in their local language as well
[08:00] <nik90|Office> dpm: however I am not sure how many languages are supported. It could be that for certain languages, the support is lacking
[08:01] <nik90|Office> dpm: which is also the reason why I did not enable that in the clock app
[08:01] <mihir_> dpm: can you review this bug please ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1229859
[08:02] <dpm> nik90|Office, that's a plus point for geonames, yes. But the do you know whether it supports things like U.S. states, UK counties and more fine-grained territorial divisions?
[08:03] <mihir_> I have added the descripction
[08:04] <nik90|Office> dpm: for US states yes
[08:04] <nik90|Office> dpm: for uk counties I havent tried
[08:04] <nik90|Office> dpm: do you have some examples I can test now
[08:06] <popey> nik90|Office: btw did you see my PM late last night?
[08:06] <popey> probably not as it went to nik90 not nik90|Office
[08:07] <dpm> m-b-o, do you have some examples of German "Landkreise" to test geonames.org with? ^
[08:07] <nik90|Office> popey: I briefly glanced at it this morning. will test when I get home today or tomorrow
[08:08] <nik90|Office> popey: was rushing to office, so dint have much time to check it out completely
[08:08] <dpm> popey, would you have some UK examples of same name cities in different UK counties to test geonames.org with? ^
[08:08] <nik90|Office> dpm: http://imgur.com/NLCFEIs
[08:09] <nik90|Office> dpm: it shows the us states clearly ^^
[08:09] <m-b-o> dpm: "Schramberg" for example
[08:09] <popey> dpm: hmm.. we don't have a huge amount of duplication in the UK
[08:10] <nik90|Office> m-b-o, dpm: http://imgur.com/BQcTFMo
[08:10] <popey> Farnborough is a good one though ☻  there's 3 of them
[08:10] <m-b-o> nik90|Office: try "aichhalden"
[08:11] <dpm> m-b-o, nik90|Office, for "Schramberg" in Germany, at least it gives you the "Land", which should be more or less equivalent to the US state
[08:11] <m-b-o> nik90|Office: there are some doubling and I wondered if it would be safe, to filter sout some data sources in geonames results.
[08:12] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: agreed. http://imgur.com/yH4UpGZ
[08:12] <m-b-o> dpm: It gives you "Landkreis", which is an equivalent to county
[08:12] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: but I do not know how to remove duplicate results from a list view
[08:13] <m-b-o> nik90|Office: lat/long is one option, another is to filter out specific data sources they use. Have to look at the api result
[08:13] <nik90|Office> popey, dpm: farmborough -> http://imgur.com/ggMfsIF
[08:14] <popey> dpm: also, farnham, there's more than one of them
[08:14] <popey> nice nik90|Office !
[08:14] <m-b-o> http://open.mapquestapi.com/geocoding/ there's a web form to play with
[08:14] <popey> thats the problem, there's three of them and I don't know which one is mine
[08:14] <oSoMoN> gusch: hey, could you please review and test https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/qsettings/+merge/187353 ?
[08:14] <popey> ooh, four.
[08:14] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[08:14] <oSoMoN> thx
[08:15] <nik90|Office> popey: they will all lead to the same result
[08:16] <gusch> oSoMoN: quick question, why qsettings and not qgsettings?
[08:16] <nik90|Office> popey: it is just that there are minor variations in their lat and lng
[08:16] <m-b-o> nik90|Office: in geonames, there's a filed <fcodeName
[08:16] <m-b-o> field, sorry
[08:16] <oSoMoN> gusch: you mean gsettings?
[08:16] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: do you have link?
[08:16] <dpm> nik90|Office, popey, it seems that geonames might be able to provide UK county info too? -> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/geonames/7bNvFNOCyng
[08:17] <m-b-o> http://api.geonames.org/search?username=uweatherdev&q=Aichhalden&style=long
[08:17] <dpm> thanks m-b-o
[08:18] <popey> that doesn't have counties...
[08:18] <popey> nik90|Office: oh
[08:19] <dpm> oh, reading the thread in more detail, it seems geonames.org does not have counties in the placename service
[08:19] <oSoMoN> gusch: if so, that’s because application confinement doesn’t support gsettings yet, and it’s been delayed until 14.04, so I went for the simplest solution, which is an ini file under ~/.config/<appname>/, which is supported by application confinement
[08:19] <dpm> then agaoin, that thread is from 2006
[08:19] <nik90|Office> popey, dpm, m-b-o : I got to go as my nick says I am in office :P. But if you feel that mapquest seems to be a better option, then I am fine with that. I will transition the clock app to use that instead.
[08:20] <nik90|Office> but the decision for that has to be made by you guys :)
[08:21] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: let me know how you find mapquest after all it would be nice to get the same city results both in clock and weather
[08:21] <dpm> yep, we'll finish the assessment and keep everyone in the loop. Thanks nik90|Office!
[08:21] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - thx
[08:21] <nik90|Office> dpm: no problem ...se you guys
[08:21] <m-b-o> nik90|Office, dpm, popey: I would be fine with mapquest. But I guess you nik90 we would have to use geonames for the timezones?
[08:22] <dpm> http://www.geonames.org/search.html?q=Farnborough&country=
[08:22] <nik90|Office> m-b-o: true, but I can use city search from mapquest and get back to geonames for the timezone
[08:23] <m-b-o> nik90|Office:ok, would be the same for weather app
[08:23] <dpm> that lists counties ^^, let me check if that info can be queried via API
[08:24] <m-b-o> http://www.geonames.org/postalcode-search.html?q=Farnborough&country=
[08:26] <Laney> Chaps!
[08:26] <Laney> The Dialer component looks exciting
[08:26] <Laney> is that what we want for time & date selectors?
[08:27] <Laney> will there be predefined dialers for those so that everyone does them the same?
[08:30] <oSoMoN> gusch: when you finish with the first MR, I have a second one for you (your time permitting of course): https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/domain-with-only-one-entry/+merge/187455
[08:31] <dpm> Laney, I think that might be a question for zsombi perhaps ^^
[08:33] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok - but first I have to review a MR for SDK ;)
[08:35] <zsombi> Laney: there will be a TimePicker component which will be used to select a time, if you referred to that...
[08:36] <Laney> zsombi: Ah, I guess date is a Picker instead of a Dialer then
[08:38] <zsombi> Laney: the Picker is just a tumbler-type value selector, The DatePicker will use 3 of those, then the Dialer is the disk-type value selector, and the TimePiclker will use one of that and a Picker (for the seconds)
[08:41] <Laney> zsombi: Right then, thanks
[08:41] <Laney> as long as apps don't have to roll thei rown
[08:41] <zsombi> Laney: the plan is not to... unless they don';t want something uber-fancy :)
[08:45] <mihir_> how can we format date like 1st,2nd , 3rd using Qt.formatDateTime ??
[08:49] <dpm> m-b-o, I've filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1230153 - if you could add the advantages you think mapquest bring as a comment, it would be really helpful to have all the facts and make the decision
[08:49] <m-b-o> dpm: ok
[08:51] <m-b-o> dpm: do you have adminName2 or adminName3 in geonames search results?
[08:52] <m-b-o> dpm: forget it :)
[08:57] <dpm> yeah, they're there :)
[08:57] <dpm> although we'll need to check how well populated they are
[08:57] <m-b-o> nik90|Office, dpm, popey: I'm sorry :) I haven't seen the "style=full" parameter in the geonames api. Now it's just perfect for me. it even has timezone offset. Mea culpa.
[08:58] <m-b-o> http://api.geonames.org/search?username=uweatherdev&q=Aichhalden&style=full
[08:58] <dpm> m-b-o, no worries. Having the discussion has helped us understanding more the data available and what we need!
[09:12] <popey> \o/
[09:20] <mihir_> popey: i did sent email to lina pio but didn't get any reply from her
[09:22] <nik90|Office> mihir_, popey: me too ^^
[09:22] <popey> will nudge
[09:24] <mihir_> popey: thank you :)
[09:24] <nik90|Office> popey: ty
[09:25] <mihir_> is there anyway we can change the color of toolbar which is docked at bootom of the app ?
[09:36] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved and commented first MR
[09:39] <oSoMoN> gusch: thanks, commented back
[09:43] <gusch> oSoMoN: ok
[09:45] <mihir_> nik90|Office: is that okay to have multiple Mainview in single app ?
[09:47] <gusch> oSoMoN: shall I top approve?
[09:49] <oSoMoN> gusch: please do, I added cwayne to the requested reviewers only to keep him updated on the feature implementation, as he’s the one who requested it, but if it works (and I’m confident it does) there’s no need for an extra review
[09:51] <nik90|Office> mihir_: no you cannot have more than one mainview
[09:51] <nik90|Office> timp: ping (1 small question pls)
[09:52] <popey> mihir_: my fault, Lina had mailed me and I missed the mail, have replied to her.
[09:52] <mihir_> nik90|Office: okay :)
[09:52] <mihir_> popey: no problem
[09:57] <timp> nik90|Office: *really* fast then, I'm leaving for dinner
[09:58] <timp> nik90|Office: sorry I gotta go. bbl.
[10:01] <gusch> oSoMoN: approved second MR
[10:02] <oSoMoN> gusch|lunch: thanks, and enjoy your lunch
[10:06] <nik90|Office> timp: no worries, I will just leave the question for you to answer when you are free. Hopeful before you on vacation :)
[10:06] <nik90|Office> timp: Is it possible to increase the height of a ListItem.Standard or ListItem.Base? Otherwise I seem to get the text overflowing its boundaries
[10:27] <nik90|Office> dpm, popey: Could you try https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/sync-clock-backend on your device and let me know if it returns your current location correctly using geoIP. If yes, I will merge it in. Me and dpm discussed this in the morning.
[10:27] <popey> certainly can
[10:27] <popey> *exciting*
[10:27] <popey> ☻
[10:27] <nik90|Office> dpm, popey: I would recommend clearing your db first
[10:28] <nik90|Office> dpm, popey: to prove its working
[10:28] <popey> mine is a cleanly flashed phone
[10:28] <nik90|Office> popey: okay
[10:29]  * popey runs ./adhoc_branch_build_run.sh lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/sync-clock-backend  and awaits magic happening
[10:43] <popey> nik90|Office: how do I know when it's working?
[10:45] <nik90|Office> popey: your current location. Did it set your current location automatically?
[10:45] <nik90|Office> popey: I am referring to the name of the city like farmborough etc.
[10:45] <popey> no, lemme put it on the window sill, it takes ages to get a lock
[10:45] <nik90|Office> popey: Previously the clock app on the first start, defaulted to UTC
[10:46] <nik90|Office> popey: it is not based on gps but geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[10:46] <nik90|Office> popey: it should be instant
[10:46] <popey> oh
[10:46] <popey> location is None
[10:46] <nik90|Office> popey: screenshot and I can understand what's happening
[10:46] <popey> 10:46
[10:46] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-09-25-114655.png
[10:51] <dpm> nik90|Office, I'll let popey do the testing since he's started already, I need to switch to a couple of other tasks. Re: one of the comments on the merge proposal, I think the initial (long) delay in getting the GPS location is to be expected and it is not a bug in Qt Location. mzanetti explained to me the other day it can take around 12 mins to get a fix (your position from GPS measurements), as we currently don't have any AGPS support to speed it
[10:51] <dpm> up
[10:52] <nik90|Office> popey: can you navigate to geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup and see your city locatio
[10:53] <nik90|Office> popey: sry, I had to leave because of a false fire alarm

 ?
[10:53] <popey> a "false fire" alarm or a "false fire alarm" ? ☻

[10:53] <popey> nik90|Office: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6153990/
[10:54] <nik90|Office> popey: someone triggered the fire alarm accidentally. no idea how..
[10:54] <popey> ☻
[10:54] <nik90|Office> popey: that's really weird you get None as the city
[10:54] <nik90|Office> damn
[10:54] <popey> ☹
[10:54] <popey> let me get others to test
[10:55] <nik90|Office> popey: also why is your time 10:46?
[10:55] <nik90|Office> shouldnt it be 11:46 in UK now
[10:55] <nik90|Office> or 11:55
[10:55] <popey> it is ☻
[10:55] <popey> I guess the phone is on UTC?
[10:55] <nik90|Office> I guess
[10:55] <nik90|Office> the clock app shows system time by default now
[10:55] <nik90|Office> so then your system time is wrong
[10:56] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ adb shell
[10:56] <popey> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# date
[10:56] <popey> Wed Sep 25 10:56:36 UTC 2013
[10:56] <popey> yup
[10:56] <popey> ok, checked with other -uk people and they get towns
[10:57] <nik90|Office> popey: why is it always that you get the worst bugs ever :P ?
[10:57] <popey> \o/
[10:57] <popey> I know, right!?
[10:57] <popey> It's awesome
[10:57] <nik90|Office> lol
[10:58] <popey> Friend of mine has learned never to launch apps until I have "played" with them.
[10:58] <nik90|Office> hehe
[10:58] <nik90|Office> I am called for lunch...brb in another 30 mins.
[10:59] <popey> \o/ lunch
[10:59] <mihir_> dpm:  i did push MR
[10:59] <mihir_> https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni-123/ubuntu-calendar-app/NewEventdetails/+merge/187489
[10:59] <mihir_> if you get time to review
[11:00] <mihir_> still i haven't changed any colors & some of the things are static mentioned in description
[11:02] <popey> nik90|Office: 12:01:01 < ali1234> i also get None
[11:02] <popey> not just me \o/
[11:30] <clepto> nik90, hello!
[11:32] <popey> clepto: he's at lunch tight now, back soon.
[11:32] <clepto> popey, hey man! thanks
[11:32] <popey> np
[11:32] <clepto> just wanted to ask about the contest
[11:38] <daker> nik90|Office: me too http://paste.ubuntu.com/6154110/
[11:39] <nik90|Office> hey clepto
[11:40] <nik90|Office> popey: I will investigate qtlocation
[11:41] <nik90|Office> popey: temporarily, i will add a if statement which will allow the user to set the location manually if the location returned by geoIP is NONE
[11:41] <nik90|Office> clepto: the results will be announced next week I think, if that's what you wanted to know
[11:41] <nik90|Office> clepto: the past week was spent trying to get the apps into the app store
[11:42] <clepto> nik90|Office, ok, thanks!
[11:42] <nik90|Office> popey: or rather I will get the lat, lng from geoIp and then get the city name through the online API
[11:43] <nik90|Office> daker: I have a fix for that in mind.
[11:45] <nik90|Office> bzoltan: in the systemInfo app, I am missing "import QtSystemInfo 5.0". Do you know its package name?
[11:47] <nik90|Office> popey: if I didnt mention before, you are the best test candidate :D
[11:49] <bzoltan> nik90|Office: Yes... a second
[11:50] <bzoltan> nik90|Office: qtdeclarative5-systeminfo-plugin
[11:54] <popey> hah
[12:09] <nik90|Office> bzoltan: thnx
[12:34] <daker> popey: when the results of the contest will be announced ?
[12:35] <popey> next week I believe
[12:35] <daker> ok thanks
[12:52] <dpm> daker, we updated the showdown page with the dates. We're planning to finish judging this week and announce the winners next Monday: http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/
[12:53] <dpm> dholbach, did any of the guys you reached to replied or sent updates to the store (skimbou, audiotape, ramsamsam)?
[12:57] <nik90|Office> zsombi: I tried the pickers, however it is having a package discrepancy
[12:57] <nik90|Office> zsombi: import Ubuntu.Components.Pickers 0.1
[12:58] <nik90|Office> zsombi: file:///home/krnekhelesh/Documents/Clock/test/test.qml:3 module "Ubuntu.Components.Pickers" is not installed
[12:58] <nik90|Office> zsombi: I copy  pasted an example as it is. I also noticed that in the toolkit gallery, for the picker tab is completely empty.
[12:58] <zsombi> nik90"Office do you have the latest SDK installed?
[12:59] <nik90|Office> zsombi: yes
[12:59] <nik90|Office> zsombi: looking at the API docs, I see the dialer documentation indicating the latest commit to uitk
[12:59] <zsombi> nik90|Office any logs? check also that you have the Pickers under the system imports
[13:00] <nik90|Office> zsombi: how can I check the system imports?
[13:00] <zsombi> ls /usr/lib/*/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Pickers
[13:01] <nik90|Office> zsombi: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/*/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Pickers: No such file or directory
[13:01] <zsombi> nik90|Office well....
[13:02] <nik90|Office> zsombi: nvr mind, on checking apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin, I dont have the latest
[13:03] <nik90|Office> zsombi: weird only that plugin alone is not updated to the latest, while everything else is
[13:05] <dpm> nik90|Office, what's the latest on the Alarms API implementation? zsombi told me the SDK bits landed yesterday and there was also a branch with further fixes in the pipeline. Is there anything you're waiting on?
[13:07] <nik90|Office> dpm: it landed only  yesterday. I just need to test my branch one last time and then push it to trunk I guess
[13:07] <nik90|Office> dpm: it was crashing before the fix, so I definitely need to test it
[13:08] <zsombi> nik90|Office there's something else weird there... I don't have the Pickers folder either!!!
[13:08] <nik90|Office> zsombi: lol
[13:08] <dpm> nik90|Office, awesome, I'm looking forward to get that one landed, thanks a lot for also helping with the platform bits along the way! :-)
[13:08] <nik90|Office> dpm: all thanks to zsombi (man of the hour) :)
[13:09] <nik90|Office> dpm: although I did mention this earlier, from the user's perspective alarm is still broken since there is no notification support
[13:09] <dpm> that thing landing made him man of the week ;)
[13:09] <nik90|Office> dpm: from clock app dev point of view, it is ready
[13:09] <dpm> nik90|Office, yeah, I've had that on my to do to check who is responsible for that, but afaik, there will be limited indicator support for 13.10
[13:10] <nik90|Office> dpm: not just indicator
[13:11] <nik90|Office> dpm: if an alarm goes off, the phone wont do anything special to indicate that (no ringtone or anything)
[13:12] <zsombi> nik90|Office damn it! we have a problem in one of the deployment descriptors!
[13:13] <nik90|Office> zsombi: also in the state saver API docs, right in the first line there is a spelling error "Attached propertyes"
[13:14] <zsombi> nik90|Office: fix it :)
[13:15] <nik90|Office> zsombi: well since I wouldnt need to compile uitk to fix it, sure! hehe
[13:15] <zsombi> nik90|Office that's just a doc ;)
[13:48] <dholbach> dpm, nope
[13:51] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I missed the context. What's the nope for, and should I worry about it? :)
[13:51] <dholbach> dpm, nobody got in touch :/
[13:52] <dholbach> mhall119, do we have API docs for the ubuntu download manager?
[13:52] <daker> nik90|Office: that's the getting the same problem ...
[13:52] <daker> i am getting*
[13:52] <dpm> ah, the remaining contest apps, well, they've had nearly a week to reply, at this point I think we should then not block the judges anymore
[13:53] <mhall119> dholbach: not that I know of
[13:53] <dholbach> mhall119, ok
[13:53] <mhall119> not sure who was working on that one either
[13:53] <dholbach> mandel on the code, but I'm not sure how it can be used from the app side
[14:12] <nik90|Office> daker: if you were referring to the picker, then yes it has been confirmed by zsombi as well.
[14:12] <zsombi> nik90|Office I'm working on fixing that
[14:12] <daker> nik90|Office: ok
[14:12] <daker> zsombi: perfect!
[14:12] <zsombi> daker: there was a typo in the deployment :(
[14:14] <nik90|Office> dpm: there is still the bug about the graphic canvas shown black in two apps. Michael reported the bug upstream. What do we do about those 2 apps?
[14:14]  * nik90|Office tries to find the bug report
[14:15] <nik90|Office> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1229287
[14:16] <daker> zsombi: aha i was confused since i was getting the "pickers" section on the gallery but nothing in /Components, the changelog was mentioning the addition of the picker and everything was updated on my machine
[14:18] <boiko> dpm: hi, so yesterday I was debugging the calculator app freezing
[14:40] <dpm> hi boiko, thanks for looking into that, I saw your comments on the bug report
[14:42] <boiko> dpm: so I think we can live with that workaround for now, and check for a proper solution afterwards?
[14:43] <dpm> boiko, most probably, yes
[14:44] <dpm> boiko, unless you think the workaround changing the cache size might make the app explode at some point :)
[14:44] <boiko> dpm: probably not, so it helps because it creates extra delegates assynchronously before showing them onscreen
[14:57] <balloons> ping dpm
[16:00] <mhall119> jvrbanac: can you join today's API website call?
[16:09] <jvrbanac> mhall119, unfortunately, no. I'm in another meeting right now.
[16:09] <mhall119> jvrbanac: ok, when you have a chance go visit http://<IP_ADDRESS>/api/
[16:11] <dpm> nik90, in the interim while there is no notification support in the platform for alarms, how are you signaling that an alarm goes off? Are you just showing a message within the app? Or setting a signal which has got no consumer yet?
[16:53] <oSoMoN> bfiller: MR for the UA overrides changes we discussed: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/ua-override-domains/+merge/187561
[16:54] <bfiller> oSoMoN: nice, will try
[16:55] <nik90> dpm: I havent done anything interim for that
[16:55] <nik90> dpm: the EDS should be the one to fire a signal when an alarm goes off
[16:56] <nik90> dpm: the only way I can do it in the clock app is to check every minute (using a qml timer) if the alarm has gone off or not which is quite cpu intensive.
[16:56] <Laney> Looking at the weather app for the first time
[16:56] <Laney> it looks super sexy
[16:57] <nik90> dpm: It is similar to the situation of the calendar app, if the calendar creates an event for 09:00AM, the EDS should trigger it on behalf of the calendar app.
[16:57] <nik90> Laney: the work of m-b-o and his team
[16:57] <m-b-o> Laney: thanks! :)
[16:58] <Laney> \o/
[17:05] <dpm> nik90, thanks. So I guess it's the EDS part that runs in the background and as you're saying should trigger the notification, right?
[17:05] <nik90> dpm: yup
[17:07] <dpm> ok, thanks for confirming. Just had a chat with thostr about it, and he'll check the support we've got in the platform for this. It seems that we could use libnotify using a C plugin (which I don't think we'll have the time for in 13.10) or if there is a QML binding for notifications already, we could use that. He'll come back to me tomorrow once he finds out more, and we'll need some syncing with Design on how it all should work as well. We'll try
[17:07] <dpm> to join the dots tomorrow.
[17:08] <dpm> nik90, popey ^
[17:08] <nik90> dpm: awesome
[17:08] <nik90> dpm, popey: Tomorrow I am at home all day. Just ping if you have any questions
[17:09] <dpm> nik90, awesome, if you've got time and you're interested, we can also do a quick ad-hoc call with design
[17:10] <nik90> dpm: I am in :)
[17:16] <nik90> daker: if you have time, could you test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/sync-clock-backend
[17:17] <nik90> daker: I believe you were one of the people who has the city returned by geopIP as None
[17:17] <daker> nik90: yes
[17:17] <nik90> daker: you need to delete the clock db
[17:18] <nik90> daker: on the desktop it is stored in .local/share/Qt Project/QML/Database/..
[17:18] <daker> nik90: you'll need to wait sometime, since i am on 12.04 rightnow
[17:22] <daker> nik90: well replacing thing manually i got this http://api.geonames.org/findNearbyPlaceName?lat=32.0000&lng=-5.0000&username=krnekhelesh
[17:29] <nik90> daker: is that your current location?
[17:29] <daker> nik90: the lat/long yes
[17:29] <daker> but this : Amellago no
[17:30] <nik90> daker: what is the city name that it shows under hte current location?
[17:30] <daker> it should says Casablanca or Rabat
[17:30] <nik90> daker: Does it show Amellago?
[17:30] <nik90> daker: Also is Amellago far away from where you live?
[17:30] <daker> nik90: i can't test the app rightnow,
[17:37] <nik90> daker: how far is Amellago from where you live?
[17:37] <daker> nik90: one sec
[17:38] <daker> nik90: http://goo.gl/maps/u5nY1
[17:39] <dpm> nik90, ok, cool, tty tomorrow, then, thanks!
[17:39] <daker> nik90: i am in "A"
[17:40] <nik90> daker: damn, the result is quite off :(
[17:40]  * nik90 is getting annoyed with geonames.org API
[17:40] <daker> nik90: geobytes shows the exacte location http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&IpAddress=<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:42] <daker> nik90: ah i see, http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup show a different lat/long
[17:42] <nik90> daker: I rather not send a user's IP to a website without their consent
[17:42] <nik90> daker: yeah I noticed that
[17:43] <nik90> daker: could it be that the lat/lng you are sending to geoname is incorrect?
[17:43] <nik90> daker: did you get that lat/lng from geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup?
[17:43] <daker> nik90: yes
[17:43] <daker> nik90: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6155444/
[17:45] <daker> nik90: even sending the lat/long from geobytes to geonames show on a "Place" name rather than a "City" name
[17:45] <daker> http://api.geonames.org/findNearbyPlaceName?lat=34.0330&lng=-6.8330&username=krnekhelesh
[17:48] <nik90> daker: I accept that it wont narrow down to the exact city sometimes,, but 500 KM is way off!
[17:48] <nik90> daker: although searching casablanca gives http://api.geonames.org/search?q=casablanca&maxRows=10&username=krnekhelesh
[17:48] <nik90> daker: the lat,lng of cassablanca is around 33.5 and -7.6
[17:49] <daker> nik90: it's rabat http://api.geonames.org/search?q=rabat&maxRows=10&username=krnekhelesh
[17:49] <nik90> daker: which makes me wonder why geoIP does not return something closer to that value
[17:51] <daker> nik90: just to confirm this is the exact place http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&IpAddress=<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:52] <daker> nik90: i guess the problem is here http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[17:52] <nik90> daker: I checked that link
[17:54] <nik90> daker: yup
[19:38] <peter__> hi! I'm trying Ubuntu SDK and can't see any Touch project templates in "New project" window. Does anyone knows how to fix it?
[19:48] <blaroche> peter__: i had something similar
[19:49] <blaroche> do you have the qt libs (qmake) what is packaged with ubuntu-sdk configured in qtcreator qt versions?
[19:50] <blaroche> I had the regular qt sdk libs configured and not ubuntu, and that caused the templates to not show up
[19:51] <blaroche> in my case,i just had to ensure I added qmake from /usr/bin/qmake
[19:51] <peter__> hmm
[19:52] <peter__> where should I configure that?
[19:52] <blaroche> tools->options->build & run
[19:52] <peter__> and yes - most probably I have qt4 libs installed before
[19:53] <blaroche> "Qt Versions" and "kits" tabs
[19:54] <blaroche> you shouldn't have to remove other versions, just add the correct ubuntu qt libs
[19:56] <peter__> blaroche: bingo
[19:56] <blaroche> great :)
[19:57] <peter__> Thanks - I wouldn't figure it out by myself and couldn't find it in google either...
[19:58] <blaroche> yw
[20:11] <daker> nik90: i am using a 3G connection now with differente IP range and i am getting the same location
[20:14] <nik90> daker: okay
[20:14] <nik90> daker: I need to come up with a better solution
[20:15] <daker> nik90: http://i.imgur.com/uKTsFVu.png
[20:15] <daker> same place
[20:34] <nik90> daker: I have a feeling that is because of your provider. None the less the result is not acceptable
[20:38] <daker> nik90: ISP 1 wired http://paste.ubuntu.com/6155444/
[20:38] <daker> ISP 2 3G http://paste.ubuntu.com/6156071/
[20:40] <daker> actually the two links should reversed
[20:41] <daker> with my IP i am getting a different city using http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&IpAddress=<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:44] <nik90> daker: I will be switching to gps hopefully in the next few days.
[20:44] <nik90> daker: nothing much I can do with geoIP
[20:45] <nik90> daker: when it works, it works perfectly
[20:45] <daker> ok
[20:45] <nik90> daker: when it doesnt it is way off :(
[22:23] <daker> nik90: did we get the picker update ?


[01:58] <bazhang> Tenminute, how can we help you
[01:59] <Tenminute> bahzang how the family business
[01:59] <Tenminute> bows
[01:59] <bazhang> Tenminute, did you wish to try and resolve any of your various bans?
[02:00] <Tenminute> oh loko, there goes my interest
[02:00]  * Tenminute points at the sky and make a line like a shooting star
[02:00] <Tenminute> haha
[02:00] <Tenminute> bahzinger
[02:00] <Tenminute> bah bah black sheep have you any wool?
[02:01] <bazhang> Tenminute, if you have nothing serious to say, please exit the channel
[02:01] <Tenminute> yes sir, yes sir three back full
[02:01] <Tenminute> your turn to sing a nursery rhyme bah
[02:02] <chu> Tenminute: I banned you, and forwarded you to this channel because  wanted to give you a chance. I think you should read the Ubuntu code of conduct and familiarize yourself with the rules of the Ubuntu namespaces channels.
[02:02] <chu> !coc | Tenminute
[02:03] <Tenminute> k k got it
[02:03] <Tenminute> ty
[02:03] <Tenminute> choo sorry it willnot happen twice
[02:04] <chu> !guidelines | Tenminute
[02:05] <chu> This is exactly what you said in #ubuntu-offtopic and your failure to appreciate the rules is the reason for your ban.
[02:27] <bazhang> Tenminute, please exit the channel
[02:36] <bazhang> where's incog?
[02:37] <bazhang> aha
[02:37] <bazhang> dont PM random users please incog
[02:38] <IdleOne> he is spamming on join
[02:38] <bazhang> he's here in the channel now
[02:38] <IdleOne> err rather on text to channel
[02:38] <incog> you're smart IdleOne
[02:39] <IdleOne> not as smart as you
[02:39] <incog> and handsome too
[02:39] <IdleOne> That i am
[02:39] <IdleOne> you may leave now.
[02:40] <IdleOne> incog: Please part this channel now.
[02:40] <incog> yes massa
[02:41] <IdleOne> Why do you gotta make this difficult, just leave please.
[02:48] <IdleOne> Tenminute: unless you plan on being serious about resolving your bans I suggest you stop wasting our time.
[02:48] <bazhang> proof this!
[02:48] <Flannel> bazhang: Looks like proper spelling and grammar to me!
[02:48] <bazhang> Flannel, ayep!
[02:52] <Flannel> Anyone know anything about Qualia?  Odd query conversation so far.
[03:29] <mneptok> *sigh*
[03:30] <mneptok> anyone should feel free to remove that in an hour or so. or else i will in my morning. off to bed.
[07:46] <DJones> Removed & banned
[08:20] <chu> Oh god, was it like that all day long?
[08:24] <DJones> Its been like this since I came online about 90 minutes ago
[08:24] <chu> I'm so sorry :(
[08:26] <DJones> Heh
[08:33] <chu> Jesus they are persistent though. If they spent their doing *something* imagine what could be.
[09:25] <DJones> LjL: This is all I see in lastlog http://pastebin.com/6UWhttsd
[09:25] <ezoe> unfortunately, I just closed pm tabs.
[09:26] <LjL> ezoe: did you end up in #ubuntu-unregged? that would explain the floodbots saying some things to you.
[09:26] <ezoe> I think it said something like "prove you are a human."
[09:26] <ezoe> and asked a question.
[09:26] <LjL> ezoe: yes, they are supposed to do that. they generally do it in #ubuntu-unregged, though, not as PM
[09:27] <ezoe> well, I don't fully understand how IRC works. but somebody make me join that channel?
[09:27] <ezoe> how somebody make me join that channel?
[09:28] <LjL> ezoe: what happens is that during times when #ubuntu is under spam attacks, a mode is set that redirects you to #ubuntu-unregged when you join. there, the FloodBots ask you questions to make sure you're not a spambot. if you answer correctly, they invite you to #ubuntu
[09:28] <ezoe> oh. I think I suspended my machine without logging out from freenode.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[09:29] <ezoe> but I didn't spammed. in fact I didn't even say anything in #ubuntu.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> ezoe: it could have been anyone that spammed
[09:33] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: it's not that you spammed - someone spammed, and the channel was set into a mode where users who join the channel are directed elsewhere and asked questions to test if they're spammers or not
[09:33] <Myrtti> gah
[09:33] <Myrtti> brain malfunction
[09:33] <LjL> ezoe: no, you didn't spam. but since the spammers use several nicks and addresses, we must filter everyone who joins
[09:33] <Myrtti> ezoe: ^
[09:35] <ezoe> I see.
[10:01] <Myrtti> ezoe: anything else you need help with?
[10:02] <ezoe> no.
[10:04] <gnomefreak> ezoe: [;ease read the topic by typing /t
[10:04] <gnomefreak> please
[10:04] <ezoe> I see. bye.
[16:13] <jpds> Watching.
[17:36] <Corey> Pici: You were half a second faster than I was.
[17:36] <Corey> Your ban hit *just* before the kline did.
[18:08] <Fuchs> bleh, how did I get ubottu in query to print me a factoid again?
[18:10] <Myrtti> /msg ubottu list
[18:10] <Myrtti> or not
[18:10] <Fuchs> that is what I tried, yes
[18:11] <Myrtti> just !list then in pm
[18:12] <Fuchs> lovely, thanks Myrtti  *cuddles*


[00:19] <bkerensa> jono: what tool did you use for that video?
[00:25] <nhandler> bkerensa: The visualization looks a bit like gource: http://code.google.com/p/gource/
[00:30] <jono> bkerensa, gource
[00:40] <bkerensa> jono: Why does the accomplishment viewer desktop file have GNOME;Utility;
[00:40] <bkerensa> specifying it as specifically for GNOME?
[00:42] <jono> bkerensa, we haven't touched that file for a while
[00:42] <jono> it may well be wrong
[00:46] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'm pretty sure that's the default you get from Quickly
[00:46] <bkerensa> mhall119: hmm
[00:47] <bkerensa> mhall119: My understanding is that adding GNOME; in the category means it should be a GNOME specific app....
[00:47] <mhall119> bkerensa: I don't know
[00:47] <bkerensa> I pushed a merge based on the GNOME Desktop File Specification
[00:47] <mhall119> OnlyShowIn=GNOME would make it only appear in Gnome sessions
[00:47] <mhall119> but I don't think Category means too much
[00:48] <bkerensa> mhall119: :P I'm fussing over nothing likely
[00:48] <mhall119> likely
[00:48] <bkerensa> I was just bored and figured I would poke at the source
[00:48] <mhall119> it may be for DE's that separate apps by toolkit/environment
[00:49] <mhall119> like, Gtk/Gnome text editors in one menu, Kde/Qt editors in another
[00:49]  * bkerensa will have to test it on xfce later tonight and see how it shows up
[00:49] <mhall119> oh I'm sure it'll show up
[00:49] <mhall119> like I said, OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn are used to limit when they are visible
[00:49] <bkerensa> kk
[00:49] <mhall119> Category is just used to know where to group them
[00:50] <nhandler> The Gnome category is described as being used for "Applications based on GNOME libraries" at http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
[00:52] <bkerensa> nhandler: I don't think accomplishments uses gnome libraries
[00:53] <bkerensa> ahh it uses glib
[00:53] <nhandler> bkerensa: You would probably know better than me. I've never actually run it (only seen it in some Planet posts).
[00:54] <bkerensa> :D
[01:01] <jcastro> bkerensa: ping!
[01:02] <jcastro> you could link to leann's segment on onair on youtube for even more goodies
[01:02] <bkerensa> jcastro: how?
[01:04] <jono> bkerensa, if you want to poke at the source, feel free to have a crack at fixing some bugs :-)
[01:04] <jono> we could definitely do with the help :-)
[01:04] <bkerensa> jono: After this week I will put some effort in... its hectic (family dropped in for a three day visit with very little notice)
[01:04] <bkerensa> :D
[01:05] <jono> np
[01:05] <bkerensa> jono: when are u targeting accomplishments to be packaged and in universe?
[01:05] <jono> bkerensa, when it is done :-)
[01:05] <jono> not for a while yet
[01:05] <bkerensa> applications are never done though ;p
[01:05] <bkerensa> well except xchat ;)
[01:06] <jono> bkerensa, I have an idea of what done is
[01:06] <bkerensa> ;p
[01:06] <jono> I want us to push out 0.3 first
[01:06] <jono> and then the next release will likely be a 1.0
[01:06] <bkerensa> jono: ahh :) any BBQ this week?
[01:06] <jono> but we have a way to go yet :-)
[01:06] <jono> bkerensa, maybe a little rib smoking :-)
[01:07] <bkerensa> I think you might have inspired me to give smoking a try.... I mostly use my regular weber grill
[01:08] <jono> bkerensa, awesome!
[01:08] <jono> smoking is a tonne of fun :-)
[01:08] <jono> bkerensa, the Weber Smokey Mountain is awesome :-)
[01:13] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRegWI99TS0&feature=player_detailpage#t=3385s is the direct link for leann's part, there should be a way to embed it
[01:14] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: there is but I dont have access to that acct so I cant embed anything
[01:16] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: like me to pull anything?
[01:17] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: ?
[01:18] <bkerensa> Pull what?
[01:18] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: you said you didn't have access to an account, which one did you refer to?
[01:19] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: the ubuntuonair one you linked to of course
[01:19] <bkerensa> you could add the OMG link to the Leann portion
[01:19] <bkerensa> they have a link adding feature in video editor
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: yeah, and you can embed to leann's part on the interview
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> that was what jcastro mentioned :)
[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm doing that atm
[01:22] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: I dont have access is what I was saying only the account holder can do that
[06:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:26] <nothingspecial> good morning czajkowski
[06:27] <czajkowski> nothingspecial: ello
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <elfy> good morning dholbach
[07:11] <dholbach> hey elfy
[07:11] <elfy> thanks :)
[13:16] <elfy> balloons: ping
[14:49] <jcastro> jono: in one post you got more reddit karma than I have in like 5 years
[14:50] <jono> jcastro, hah, which one?
[14:50] <jono> oh the teacher one
[14:50] <jcastro> yeah
[14:50] <jcastro> heh, r/BBQ too I see
[14:51] <jono> :-)
[15:00] <jono> dpm, mhall119 all set?
[15:00] <dpm> jono, yep!
[15:01] <jono> dpm, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b2d727bc00c25e082c1688c58bece40d7c137f93?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:02] <balloons> elfy, wow.. totally never got prompted for your ping
[15:02] <balloons> ohh.. right.. I have no notifications
[15:02] <balloons> I broke unity.. I'm running in fluxbox
[15:03] <balloons> z
[15:37] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: ello you about
[15:38] <elfy> balloons: you got 5 minutes for PMs ?
[15:38] <balloons> elfy, certainly
[15:38] <elfy> cheers
[15:51] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: here I am!
[15:52] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: ello my dear, please see pm
[16:05] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow! :)
[16:39] <popey> nigelb, do you have family in india who might know any good deals for microsims for ipads?
[16:39] <popey> family member is off to india with his ipad soon, wants to get a 3g microsim out there, for a bit of light surfing and maybe skype to home
[16:44] <nigelb> popey: sure, both my colleagues have iPads, I'll ask them tomorrow.
[16:44] <popey> nice one, thanks!
[16:44] <nigelb> :)
[17:16] <czajkowski> jcastro: any indicators you know of to show multiple timezones?
[17:17] <jcastro> I use a website
[17:17] <jcastro> I forget now
[17:17] <czajkowski> jcastro: no bother
[17:17] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:17] <mhall119> czajkowski: the datetime indicator lets you do that
[17:18] <czajkowski> mhall119: looking
[17:18] <czajkowski> cheers
[17:19] <mhall119> czajkowski: Time & Date Settings->Clock tab->Choose Locations button
[17:19] <czajkowski> aye that seems to do the trick
[17:19] <czajkowski> cheers
[17:34]  * balloons loves that indicator
[17:36] <czajkowski> trying to help the new starters in sales
[17:45] <jono> balloons, all set?
[17:47] <balloons> sure
[17:47] <balloons> we'll see if compiz behaves
[17:48] <balloons> I might need to restart first after I file some bugs
[17:48] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c7b5b18df474b92b71b52680e7374b8e23143985?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[18:59] <jcastro> jono: ok my juju call is over, we can go whenevs
[19:27] <jono> jcastro, cool, eating lunch now, will do it after
[19:27]  * jcastro nods
[20:13] <jono> jcastro, give me a few mins and I will set it up
[20:14] <bkerensa> jcastro: Sup
[20:14] <jcastro> yo
[20:15] <bkerensa> jcastro: Interview?
[20:15] <bkerensa> :)
[20:15] <bkerensa> If so I can automagically generate some questions and send them
[20:16] <jcastro> bkerensa: in the middle of something, ping me later?
[20:16] <bkerensa> kk
[20:16] <jcastro> also, I'm boring! There's way more interesting people
[20:16] <jcastro> like marco and brandon
[20:17] <jono> jcastro, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f8d23ba01c1eb51032c0b8e86a06285b78ec976c?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[20:21] <SergioMeneses> jono, is it a public hangout?
[20:21] <jono> SergioMeneses, no
[20:22] <SergioMeneses> jono, jeje I see
[20:35] <balloons> does anyone remember how to have preformatted text on the wiki?
[20:36] <balloons> ahh.. nvm
[20:36] <balloons> {{{pre}}}
[20:36] <balloons> i needed 3! braces
[20:47] <SergioMeneses> balloons, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax
[20:48] <SergioMeneses> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[20:48] <balloons> SergioMeneses, ty
[20:49] <balloons> i bookmarked
[20:49] <balloons> hah
[20:49] <SergioMeneses> balloons, don't worry :)
[20:55] <cjohnston> balloons: ping
[21:03] <balloons> cjohnston, pong
[21:04] <cjohnston> balloons: did you get the issue you where told to ping me about resolved?
[21:04] <balloons> cjohnston, yes thank you
[21:04] <cjohnston> how?
[21:05] <balloons> I asked one whose power is greater than even yourself cjohnston
[21:05] <balloons> that's right.. I went straight to the top
[21:05] <cjohnston> mhall119?
[21:05] <balloons> ROFL
[21:05] <balloons> that's your first guess?
[21:05] <balloons> mhall119, ^^
[21:05] <cjohnston> heh
[21:05] <balloons> we all <3 u!
[21:05] <cjohnston> well, I know I don't have the power to do that stuff, so he was who I was going to tell you
[21:05] <balloons> yes I asked mhall119 and he helped me out
[21:06] <cjohnston> mhall119: did you get the other one that I asked you about a week or two ago fixed?
[22:08] <mhall119> cjohnston: which one?