[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:49] <EriC^^> hey immu
[11:50] <immu> hey EriC^^
[11:50] <immu> how di
[11:50] <EriC^^> how are you?
[11:50] <immu> i am good
[11:50] <immu> you? EriC^^
[11:50] <EriC^^> im good
[11:51] <EriC^^> hot today here
[11:51] <immu> really its also hot here :)
[11:51] <EriC^^> thank god for a/c right
[11:52] <immu> yup , you in lebanon right?
[11:53] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:53] <EriC^^> you're in which part of uae?
[11:54] <immu> dubai
[11:54] <EriC^^> cool
[11:54] <immu> yeah
[11:55] <EriC^^> what's the driving like there?
[11:56] <immu> Good
[11:57] <EriC^^> lots of exotic cars i imagine?
[11:57] <immu> yup
[11:57] <EriC^^> how long have you lived there for?
[12:02] <immu> approx 30+ years
[12:05] <immu> brb rebooting into Linux
[12:09] <immu> back
[12:09] <immu> EriC^^, yo
[12:09] <EriC^^> wb
[12:14] <immu> so what else?
[12:19] <EriC^^> not much going on
[12:19] <EriC^^> what do you do for a living?
[12:23] <ducasse> \o
[12:24] <ducasse> EriC^^: do you know exactly which grub-efi package runs the scripts that executes grub-install etc?
[12:24] <EriC^^> ducasse: not really
[12:25] <ducasse> EriC^^: ok, i'll just dig then ;)
[12:26] <ducasse> looks like grub-efi-amd64...
[12:29] <immu> i work in trade finance
[12:46] <EriC^^> immu: cool
[15:51] <ducasse> oerheks: he joined +1, said 'hi' and quit 11 secs later - not very patient :)
[15:53] <oerheks> weekend support, best days for irc :-D
[15:54] <ducasse> there's a reason i only keep a half eye on the irc window during weekends :)
[15:54] <immu> hmm
[15:55] <oerheks> uhuh
[17:17] <pauljw> EriC^^, hi
[17:17] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[17:17] <EriC^^> how are you?
[17:17] <pauljw> good, you?
[17:17] <EriC^^> good thanks
[17:17] <pauljw> :)
[17:36] <immu> hi eric
[17:56] <EriC^^> hi immu
[17:57] <immu> hi EriC^^ welcome back to me and you
[17:58] <EriC^^> yup
[17:58] <EriC^^> so you said you work in trading finance.. is that like stock market?
[17:58] <immu> nope
[17:59] <EriC^^> what is that?
[17:59] <immu> Dealing with shipment docs for clients
[17:59] <EriC^^> ah i see cool
[17:59] <EriC^^> which company?
[18:00] <immu> hbz services
[18:01] <EriC^^> aha cool
[18:01] <EriC^^> you like it in dubai?
[18:01] <EriC^^> ive never been there, hear it's pretty awesome
[18:25] <immu> yes good place
[18:25] <immu> they have worked hard to make it such a good place
[18:26] <daftykins> shame about the burning buildings
[18:27] <immu> yeah happens
[18:31] <EriC^^> heya daftykins
[18:31] <daftykins> sir \o
[18:31] <EriC^^> how are you?
[18:32] <daftykins> not bad thanks :) got a few snaps of what's going on in my house works - http://imgur.com/a/oKCQ5
[18:33] <immu> oooooo daftykins what am i seeing here?
[18:33] <EriC^^> nice! looks good
[18:33] <daftykins> got replaced window lintels in the first pic, there was rotten wood there
[18:34] <daftykins> next few are the scene in my office where another rotten lintel set is above another window, plus damaged woodwork - and one of the new window i've got ready for my bedroom
[18:34] <daftykins> final pic is the A-frame beam of the roof, which is very damaged
[18:39] <EriC^^> cool stuff
[18:40] <EriC^^> english architecture seems kind of cool, all the houses here are made of cement and just buildings
[18:49] <daftykins> :) mine's pretty historic though, from the 1600s
[18:50] <EriC^^> even cooler
[18:52] <immu> coool
[18:52] <immu> thanks for the walkthru
[18:59] <EriC^^> i'm getting an isp connection soon finally
[18:59] <EriC^^> no more using the phone
[19:00] <EriC^^> i hope it's fast enough to watch youtube without buffering!
[19:00] <daftykins> :D
[19:01] <daftykins> when my scaffold comes down i need to call my phone company, they're going to dig up the road and redo my phone connections
[19:03] <EriC^^> wow google doesn't help much with scaffold
[19:04] <EriC^^>     1.
[19:04] <EriC^^>     a raised wooden platform used formerly for the public execution of criminals.   2.
[19:04] <EriC^^>     a structure made using scaffolding.
[19:05] <EriC^^> i guess it's the wooden piece over the window in the first pic?
[19:14] <oerheks> dilatation, to give structural strength
[19:14] <daftykins> metal frame outside = scaffold
[19:14] <oerheks> in the old days one used an arch, but nowadays a concrete slab is as strong as iron
[19:16] <oerheks> scaffolding is my old profession, making workplatforms.. best thing is: when i was done, you see nothing.
[19:16] <daftykins> :D
[19:16] <daftykins> yep looking forward to that day coming
[19:19] <immu> cool daftykins we have a in house structural engineeerrr
[19:20] <immu> yuppy
[19:20] <daftykins> ooh funky, show him/her that rotten beam pic :)
[19:27] <EriC^^> i'm thinking what to add to the youtubextras comment fetcher site, hmm
[19:28] <EriC^^> i added a back to youtube button and scroll to top, also attempted to put a search bar but it isn't all done yet


[01:10] <greg_g> @schedule michigan
[01:10] <ubotu> Schedule for US/Michigan: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 15:00: Technical Board
[02:08] <Vorian> who's here for the US LoCo Teams meeting?
[02:09] <Vorian> and hello to everyone else :)
[02:12] <Vorian> bye
[11:32] <TriniTy_> salut
[11:32] <TriniTy_> Ju,
[11:32] <TriniTy_> t'es l ?
[11:33] <Ju> oui hello !
[11:33] <Ju> sur #ubuntu-fr-meeting
[11:33] <TriniTy_> lol t'avais mis #ubunut-fr-meeting sur le siteeeeeeeeee
[11:33] <TriniTy_> heureusement je t'ai whois :p
[11:33] <Ju> ;-)
[11:33] <TriniTy_> w donc quand je veux changer mes distrib
[02:45] <Spec> @schedule edt
[02:46] <Spec> @schedule
[02:46] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jun 13:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00: Technical Board
[02:46] <Spec> @schedule America/New_York
[02:47] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 15:00: Technical Board
[02:47] <Spec> finally :p
[02:48] <Spec> err, that doesn't mention the LoCo meeting today?: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[02:49] <shawarma> Spec: Maybe the loco team meeting wasn't submitted to the fridge..
[02:55] <gnomefreak> the us loco team meeting was
[02:56] <gnomefreak> it was on schedule a thursday for sat i think
[02:56] <Spec> what meeting is taking place in an hour?
[02:56] <gnomefreak> none from what fridge says
[02:56] <Spec> but the wiikiii
[02:57] <gnomefreak> seems there are 2 loco meetings today
[02:57] <gnomefreak> maybe ubotu wasnt updated since seveas is gone
[02:57] <gnomefreak> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[02:58] <Spec> seveas is gone?
[02:58] <gnomefreak> yes
[02:59] <gnomefreak> month or so been gone maybe 2 weeks now
[02:59] <Spec> why'd he leave?
[02:59] <Spec> oh, gone for a month?
[02:59] <Spec> so that's georgia us loco meeting and catalan loco team?
[02:59] <Spec> the wiki seems to imply it's a generic all-loco team meeting
[02:59] <gnomefreak> yes both seem to be today
[03:00] <gnomefreak> Spec: not sure about that
[03:06] <popey> @schedule
[03:06] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 26 Jun 13:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 15:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 12:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 19:00: Technical Board
[03:18] <ompaul> Spec, he will be back, he is gone for $time very suddenly he had to run
[03:49] <amachu> hi
[03:49] <amachu> be back in 20-25 min
[03:49] <amachu> :-)
[03:56] <Spec> kjcole: i don't know why i'm still awake.
[04:01] <flint> Kevin, you're killing me...
[04:01] <flint> kjcole, ...my life is a living hell...
[04:02] <flint> ...I am getting coffee...
[04:02] <elkbuntu> Ok, who is here for the LoCo Teams meeting? (that it seems didnt get on the fridge :-/)
[04:03] <flint> elkbuntu, it was on the fridge.
[04:03] <elkbuntu> flint, it was? it's not in the topic here. i guess ubotu is b0rked
[04:03] <seele> seele (Celeste Paul)
[04:03] <flint> elkbuntu, well it was on the wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[04:03] <elkbuntu> flint, yes i know that much. i put it there :
[04:04] <Spec> it's not on the fridge....two loco meetings are on the fridge
[04:04] <flint> seele, mille gratzie
[04:04] <Spec> (which ubotu also didn't pick up)
[04:04] <flint> elkbuntu, do not be bitter, I can do that for you.
[04:04] <dthacker> dthacker  Dave Thacker-Nebraska Team
[04:04] <elkbuntu> flint, im not bitter, just disorganised
[04:05] <dthacker> elkbuntu: welcome to my world....
[04:05] <elkbuntu> dthacker, haha!
[04:05] <flint> I announce myself here as the rep from Vermont Area Group of Unix Enthusiasts (VAGUE)
[04:06] <elkbuntu> ok, i guess we shall start. latecomers can read logs and join in when they manage to get their disorganised butts into gear
[04:06] <elkbuntu> So, general issues?
[04:06] <flint> dthacker, hey Dave!
[04:06] <elkbuntu> does anyone have a general LoCo team issue? (with the LoCo project or the running therof)
[04:07] <kjcole> FYI to all who might not have noticed (like me): This meeting likes MootBot which I hadn't encountered before.  See:
[04:07] <kjcole> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[04:07] <flint> elkbuntu, the issue of loco recognition should be deligated by counrty.
[04:07] <elkbuntu> flint, what do you mean by that?
[04:07] <flint> elkbuntu, the hell that the DC loco had to go through with the loco central in London should not be repeated.
[04:08] <elkbuntu> flint, and what hell was that?
[04:08] <Spec> flint: we were a special case due to the fact that we were formed before much of the LoCo Team rules & guidelines were in existance.
[04:08] <Spec> elkbuntu: pleny of hell
[04:08] <flint> my motion is to declare the ability for the country amalgamated locos to recognize any local country based loco.
[04:08] <kjcole> More purgatory (or limbo) than hell. ;-)
[04:09] <flint> any seconds?
[04:09] <elkbuntu> can someone explain what happened, because at the moment i've got no idea what happened
[04:10] <flint> Ah Melissa with the handle you are using i thought you were Jeff Elkner, my sincere apologies...
[04:10] <kjcole> elkbuntu: Early on, I went to the CC for approval, and thought that I had obtained it.  A year later, someone got miffed and said we weren't an approved team
[04:10] <elkbuntu> kjcole, how long ago was this? (the original CC thing)
[04:11] <kjcole> elkbuntu: and we had to start over again, defending ourselves to the CC after having held several events, etc.
[04:11] <flint> The DC Loco was the first formed.  A bureaucracy grew up at cannonical/ubuntu in london which did not "recognize" our group as part of the "council"  thus there was a show vote.
[04:11] <flint> The whole thing stank of procedure for procedures sake, and I feel that each country should be able to recognize local locos for goodness sake.
[04:12] <flint> seconds?
[04:12] <elkbuntu> flint, the concept of approved teams is for Canonical to distinguise between us
[04:12] <elkbuntu> flint, please stop calling for seconds, I am chairing this meeting
[04:12] <flint> ok. no harm intended.
[04:13] <flint> the point of country based approval seems like a reasonable request.
[04:13] <kjcole> elkbuntu: (I went to the council after flint handed the reigns of the LoCo to me.  He was the original LoCo guy before me when he moved from the area.)
[04:13] <elkbuntu> as i was saying, it is for Canonical, the 'bureacracy' you mention, to distinguish between active/approved teams, so they can better judge where to trust resources to
[04:14] <flint> I am merely suggesting that peers within a country can also make that determination and that this matter should be delegated to that level.
[04:14] <elkbuntu> Canonical trusts the CC and more recently Jono, to judge which teams are active and therefore trustworthy
[04:14] <Spec> What resources(other than CDs and serverspace) does/can Canonical provide for LoCo teams?
[04:14] <mc44> elkbuntu: its the CC, not Canonical who distinguishes :)
[04:14] <elkbuntu> mc44, it is, but it is for Canonical's sake, mostly
[04:14] <flint> mc44, excellent point...
[04:14] <mc44> right
[04:15] <flint> elkbuntu, merely food for thought madame chairperson.
[04:15] <flint> I am getting coffee.
[04:17] <dthacker> brb, dog wants in....
[04:17] <elkbuntu> the only country that has a splintered loco is the US. It would be highly unfair to allow a decision to go through to allow the US LoCo to decide to approve the state teams. As it is, the US already has as many teams as South America, and each of these US teams is already entitled to Canonical sponsored benefits.
[04:17] <Spec> elkbuntu: Is there a list of said benefits?
[04:18] <seele> i dont know why the number of teams matter, especially if we have active members to support them
[04:18] <elkbuntu> Spec, it was revised at the most recent Dev Summit, let me drudge up the link
[04:18] <kjcole> For the DC LoCo, the issue with the CC is water under the bridge, at least as far as approval goes.
[04:18] <seele> the US has 300 million people, it seems silly to have a single loco for it
[04:18] <dthacker> Spec: mailing lists, forums,
[04:18] <flint> elkbuntu, true, VAGUE may choose to participate as a loco, DC is again a first, but a pattern emerges...
[04:18] <kjcole> However, to me "Local
[04:19] <kjcole> and "Community" have a very different meaning than "Country".
[04:19] <elkbuntu> seele, India has over a billion people
[04:19] <seele> yeah.. and they should be able to have regional LoCos too
[04:19] <kjcole> seele, agreed
[04:19] <flint> elkbuntu, and India's local councils will need to have this authority delegated, and quick.
[04:19] <myriam_rs> seele: +1
[04:19] <elkbuntu> kjcole, that may be so, but if we splinter LoCos to the point of cities, then Canonical is either going to go bust trying to support them all, or reduce LoCo allocations to like 10cds
[04:19] <kjcole> CoCo's and LoCo's
[04:19] <myriam_rs> India for instance even has many different languages
[04:20] <flint> I do not even want to think about China, the Peking loco opened with 5,00 members.
[04:20] <elkbuntu> flint, India doesnt have the same 'problem' working together as the US does
[04:20] <Spec> elkbuntu: If the LoCo's are using and effectively distributing Ubuntu CDs to lots of people in each individual city, where does the problem lay?
[04:20] <seele> elkbuntu: what do you mean by that?
[04:20] <flint> elkbuntu, and Vermont is noted for its ability not to play well with the other states, but that is another matter...
[04:21] <elkbuntu> seele, the US team has splintered into many state and sometimes city teams.
[04:21] <_kjcole> Elkbuntu, definitely hard to sustain. ;-)  In an ideal world, we'd all be good little communists and find ways to contribute some
[04:21] <Spec> What cities have thier own team?
[04:21] <seele> yes i know that.. but other than vermont, who isnt playing nice
[04:21] <dthacker> may we get back on track please.  This issue is delegaton of approval.  We could have an entire day discussion on scope
[04:22] <elkbuntu> Spec, Chicago
[04:22] <seele> Spec: i think there are some "clubs" but i dont know of any official locos
[04:22] <_kjcole> financial resources to the collective. ;-)
[04:22] <seele> chicago is an official loco?
[04:22] <amachu> hi everyone
[04:22] <myriam_rs> elkbuntu: I can understand states teams to be officialized, but cities is questionable also to my perception
[04:22] <Spec> elkbuntu: How should we cooperate and organize with other LoCOs in the United States?
[04:22] <elkbuntu> dthacker, and unfortunately it is not one that *anyone* here has jurisdiction to decide
[04:22] <flint> seele, wait a second my friend I speak for flint, not for Vermont.
[04:22] <seele> sure
[04:22] <myriam_rs> why not approve state teams and thei handle cities teams themselve?
[04:23] <elkbuntu> I recommend that this be taken to the Community Manager, and if need be the CC
[04:23] <Spec> State teams should be responsible for the teams that form in cities....
[04:23] <elkbuntu> but go through the Community Manager first
[04:23] <dthacker> elkbuntu: then the question becomes. how do those concerned get their concerns heard by the CC?
[04:23] <flint> does anyone but me see the wisdom of country delegation?
[04:23] <Spec> dthacker: attend a CC meeting
[04:23] <popey> i dont see the need personally
[04:23] <_kjcole> (But DC's not a state: Taxation w/o Representation. ;-) )
[04:23] <seele> lol
[04:23] <flint> _kjcole, DC is in fact a military district....
[04:24] <Spec> The DC team obviously should represent all of US. <hides>
[04:24] <dthacker> Spec: LOL
[04:24] <flint> Spec, you are on the slippery slope...
[04:24] <Spec> No, but seriously, elkbuntu, citi-LoCo-groups should be controller by the State LoCo (exception: DC), who do we take that to?
[04:24] <dthacker> flint: it sounds like you need to email Jono
[04:24] <Spec> controller, controlled, whatever.
[04:25] <elkbuntu> Spec, this is out of my control. Take it to Jono, please.
[04:25] <popey> sounds to me like creating an unnecessary hierarchy
[04:25] <popey> what is the problem you are trying to fix flint ?
[04:25] <Spec> popey: s/fix/create/
[04:25] <flint> popey, the issue that every loco must go throught what I witnessed the d
[04:26] <flint> DC loco going through.
[04:26] <flint> popey, it was not pretty.
[04:26] <popey> thats one loco
[04:26] <Spec> So, since we've decided that we're talking about thigns we can't change - next topic, elkbuntu?
[04:26] <flint> popey, it was the first loco
[04:26] <dthacker> agreed,  this goes to jono, next topic?
[04:26] <popey> dthacker: +1
[04:26] <Spec> Why isn't jono here? :p
[04:26] <elkbuntu> next topic is Software Freedom Day :D
[04:27] <elkbuntu> Spec, he's in transit from somewhere to somewhere else afaik
[04:27] <amachu> elkbuntu: we formed a team yesterday
[04:27] <Spec> haha
[04:27] <elkbuntu> plus, it is a weekend
[04:27] <flint> elkbuntu, thank you for your time and consideration.
[04:27] <elkbuntu> amachu, cool.
[04:27] <popey> elkbuntu: i registered the UK team
[04:27] <elkbuntu> oh actually... were there any other concerns before we launch into SFD goodness?
[04:27] <popey> no clue what we will do tho :)
[04:28] <Spec> So we get free schwag from Canonical for SFD?
[04:28] <amachu> schwag??
[04:28] <popey> cds
[04:28] <amachu> ok..
[04:28] <_kjcole> DC LoCo has done the past two, and gotten a wee bit of help, and plan to do a third.
[04:28] <elkbuntu> Spec, indirectly. You get free swag from SFI, which is plyed by canonical
[04:28] <Spec> http://softwarefreedomday.org/
[04:28] <dthacker> elkbuntu: my mailing list is attractin a lot of spam.  Is there anything I can do or request be done?
[04:29] <elkbuntu> dthacker, talk to the sysadmins
[04:29] <amachu> from the sfd site.. it appears that we will get it from SFD bith Ubuntu & OpenCD
[04:29] <_kjcole> amachu: Swag (Schwag), stuff handed out at conferences to advertise and gain loyalty: CD's, T shirts, pens, stickers, balloons,
[04:29] <Spec> Is there any general structure to SFD, or is it just what the LoCo's make it out to be?
[04:30] <myriam_rs> elkbuntu: and what is SFI?
[04:30] <elkbuntu> myriam_rs, Software Freedom International
[04:30] <flint> how about making one of those goofy SFD across the planet type movies?
[04:30] <popey> Spec: there are guides of the site
[04:30] <Spec> And is there any reason we would want to cooperate with other US, or other Country's LoCo's for SFD?
[04:30] <elkbuntu> myriam_rs, there is a wikipedia page that lists the board
[04:30] <myriam_rs> elkbuntu: thanks
[04:30] <elkbuntu> Spec, cooperate in terms of sharing ideas, the same way LoCos share ideas :)
[04:31] <amachu> ok
[04:31] <popey> i would recommend joining the SFD lailing lists
[04:31] <Spec> Well, if states are close enough they can make a really big SFD
[04:31] <Spec> ie: VA/MD/DC all got together
[04:32] <_kjcole> So, in the interest of sharing: The DC way = pairing up with a local library that collects books from the community to distribute for free.
[04:32] <elkbuntu> yep. and contacting organisations that may be able to 'sponsor' in the form of brochures and other fun stuff
[04:32] <dthacker> dthacker is trying to get an exhibit at the local uni...
[04:32] <amachu> yep
[04:32] <elkbuntu> I have managed to coerce a package of coolness out of RedHat for example
[04:32] <_kjcole> It becomes a "Free Books, Free Software" event, but then we explain the "Freedom" part of "Free".
[04:32] <elkbuntu> not sure what is in said package yet, but im sure it will be cool
[04:33] <Spec> elkbuntu: for your loco?
[04:33] <flint> Spec, how about the reason to cooperate is that the US has  a brilliant Texan leading us from the White House :^)  the new ubuntu multimedia cd might help produce such a thing.  Red hat might help with any costs...
[04:33] <elkbuntu> Spec, for the SFD event where i am
[04:33] <popey> elkbuntu: how do you deal with organising an event for such a large loco such as -AU or -UK ?
[04:33] <popey> or do you do multiple events?
[04:33] <popey> delegate?
[04:33] <elkbuntu> flint, you are being sarcastic, right? :
[04:33] <elkbuntu> popey, we do multiple events
[04:34] <elkbuntu> popey, (in aus)
[04:34] <flint> elkbuntu, whatever gave you that idea...  LOL
[04:34] <flint> ROLF
[04:34] <Spec> rolling on laughing floors.
[04:34] <elkbuntu> rofl
[04:34] <amachu> elkbuntu: in Log i did find some words about India
[04:34] <amachu> ?
[04:34] <flint> can't type laughing too hard.
[04:34] <Spec> kjcole: trying to contact organizations for swag/support in our area?
[04:35] <elkbuntu> amachu, ah, i was using India as an example of a large loco that hasnt splintered as much as the US has
[04:35] <flint> elkbuntu, the cool thing about a distributed multimedia event is that this frames the issues for all to see for the next year.
[04:35] <_kjcole> Spec, have been busy trying to deal with the (dying) FOSSED conference.
[04:35] <amachu> elkbuntu: ok
[04:35] <Spec> elkbuntu: We should have one website/page/wiki-page to journal our adventures on SFD (from all around the world)
[04:36] <flint> Spec, Excellent start!
[04:36] <_kjcole> Spec, SFD's web site used to have such a beastie...
[04:36] <Spec> elkbuntu: who would be responsible for setting that up?
[04:36] <Spec> the 'archives' is seriously lacking
[04:37] <Spec> oh, maybe not, i was in wrong section
[04:37] <elkbuntu> Spec, you mean on softwarefreedomday.org? I believe someone lost some data since last year or something
[04:37] <Spec> oh, ok
[04:37] <Spec> yeah, these aren't journals of events
[04:37] <Spec> kjcole: how far is hampton, va from us?
[04:38] <Spec> elkbuntu: SFD is sponsored in part by Canonical, right?
[04:38] <flint> Spec, about 3 hours
[04:38] <kjcole> spec, you're asking a non-driver?
[04:38] <flint> ogra, hello Ollie!
[04:38] <elkbuntu> Spec, yes. but not 'owned' by
[04:38] <ogra> hey hey
[04:38] <elkbuntu> hey oli
[04:38] <kjcole> ogra, hey long time no chat.
[04:39] <ogra> yeah
[04:39] <popey> elkbuntu: they wipe the site each year
[04:39] <myriam_rs> hi ogra :-)
[04:39] <Spec> elkbuntu: We should find a way to ensure all LoCo teams have registered for SFD on sfd.org
[04:39] <flint> ogra, you missed my rap on national determination.... it was a beaut.
[04:39] <popey> they dont lose it, they deliberately wipe it
[04:39] <elkbuntu> popey, aha
[04:39] <ogra> hi myriam_rs :)
[04:39] <dthacker> ubuntu-nebraska needs bodies for SFD, so I contacting the LUG, the perl-mongers, the python-LUG,  and any other bunch that might help
[04:39] <popey> (which is dumb IMO)
[04:40] <flint> popey, that is why i like the "day" movie idea, we made a python movie and the damn thing is still around after five years.
[04:40] <elkbuntu> Spec, the aim isnt to make sure every LoCo registers, just to make sure loco teams are encouraged to participate
[04:40] <amachu> gud
[04:40] <elkbuntu> most SFD events are LUG based, not LoCo based
[04:40] <Spec> elkbuntu: by encouraging them to register, it encourages them to participate, right?
[04:40] <Spec> I don't see why we shouldn't make it a mandatory thing ^.^
[04:40] <amachu> Spec: not nessesary that it has to be LoCo
[04:41] <Spec> I know, but it should be necessary to participate in SFD if you are a LoCo
[04:41] <Spec> or at least pretend to participate.
[04:41] <amachu> Spec: it can be the LUG & the LoCo Combination too
[04:41] <amachu> LUG might have registered and the LoCo can join hands
[04:41] <elkbuntu> but making sure LoCos partipate is important. LoCo SFD teams as opposed to LUG SFD teams face alienating potential helpers
[04:41] <Spec> The requirement of one event(SFD) each year to be a LoCo isn't an outrageous one.
[04:41] <flint> elkbuntu, getting over the LUG - LOCO dichotomy is a necessary prelude for this thing.
[04:41] <kjcole> BTW: Since SFD is not Ubuntu specific, a nice intro to Linux can be found at http://www.getgnulinux.org/
[04:41] <elkbuntu> Spec, you cannot force volunteers to do anything
[04:42] <kjcole> (Though it's not specifically a Linux event either.)
[04:42] <elkbuntu> kjcole, exactly
[04:42] <elkbuntu> my aim in pestering about SFD is to *encourage* LoCo people to participate in the day at a LUG level
[04:42] <Spec> So do we have any printable literature directly from Canonical?
[04:43] <Spec> elkbuntu: yes...so what's the best way to accomplish that?
[04:43] <elkbuntu> Spec, ask for a conference pack
[04:43] <Spec> kjcole: ^^ :D:D:D
[04:43] <elkbuntu> Spec, by talking about it in your LoCo, asking who is helping which LUG
[04:43] <Spec> Ok, so we'll try to contact the 10 or so LUGs in our area
[04:44] <dthacker> kjcole: bookmarked, thanks
[04:44] <Spec> Any advertising for the event comes out of our own pocket, yes?
[04:44] <dthacker> Spec: try the perl-mongers too
[04:44] <elkbuntu> Spec, by logic, those 10 or so LUGs probably already have people in your LoCo
[04:44] <amachu> mmm..
[04:44] <Spec> elkbuntu: you would think so, but i don't think that's the case.
[04:45] <elkbuntu> Spec, you need to put a call out to the lurkers on your loco mailing list ;)
[04:45] <elkbuntu> Spec, i think you'll find there's a wider spread than you think
[04:45] <dthacker> question: is the Ubuntu book available as a PDF?
[04:45] <amachu> mm
[04:45] <elkbuntu> dthacker, iirc. no idea where
[04:46] <flint> dthacker, the concept of free software packaged in a proprietary format warms my heart...
[04:46] <dthacker> flint: my sarcasm detector is going off again
[04:46] <flint> dthacker, hehe
[04:46] <Spec> flint: wget ubuntu.exe
[04:46] <kjcole> Spec, advertising, banner, registration fees at events, have been coming out of jelkner's pocket and mine.  Not enough to break the bank, but like Canonical
[04:47] <kjcole> it's not self-sustaining in the long run, w/o income.
[04:47] <Spec> Well, I was thinking more of how are we going to accomplish mass-advertisement of SFD.
[04:47] <elkbuntu> kjcole, you can always ask them. at worst, they'll say 'no', but at least you will have tried
[04:47] <dthacker> see I have this wacky idea to send out CD's to local teachers, but I want to include the book.  And I can't afford 50 copies of the book
[04:47] <Spec> Like getting the local Career Center to make a Video-Advertisement for SFD, and then somehow getting local cable company to run the ad on public television....how feasable is that?
[04:48] <elkbuntu> Spec, i dont know, try it and let us know
[04:48] <kjcole> We were thinking of putting out a hat/jar for contributions at events...
[04:48] <Spec> elkbuntu: what about trademark?
[04:48] <flint> Spec, so we need a movie.  Think about SFD as an annual thing. We need to plan for a future, or SFD will not have one.
[04:48] <Spec> would canonical need to authorize our ad?
[04:48] <elkbuntu> Spec, mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you're unsure
[04:49] <Spec> flint: can you browbeat D.Welsh to get a 60-120 second (ingenious!) advertisement?
[04:49] <kjcole> elkbuntu, since Canonical has already provided us CD's and other materials, I don't want to keep hitting them up for stuff.
[04:49] <elkbuntu> Spec, or, join #ubuntu-marketing and wait for gerry (probably in the midst of a nice weekend atm, so wait until tomorrow ;))
[04:50] <Spec> #ubuntu-marketing? :p
[04:50] <popey> i doubt you will get much from canonical other than CDs/stickers
[04:50] <Spec> popey: uhh
[04:50] <popey> otherwise they would logically have to do the same for _all_ LoCos
[04:50] <Spec> popey: i get free software from canonical all the time as well :)
[04:50] <popey> which would cost them $$
[04:50] <flint> Spec, those would be the hardest 60-120 seconds you ever got involved with...
[04:51] <elkbuntu> popey, still, it never hurts to ask
[04:51] <Spec> flint: That's why I asked you to do it.
[04:51] <kjcole> The movie idea could be really great: If different LoCo's agree on a similar quality/format for a video, and someone could edit them together...
[04:52] <Spec> Well, if other people (not necessarily us) come up with an advertisement,
[04:52] <Spec> we could just pass around the one video and try our hardest to get it on local tv channels
[04:52] <Spec> If all the LoCos helped out, we might get some half-way decent coverage
[04:52] <flint> kjcole, it is applying the process of distributed programming to multimedia.  I feel like Eric Raymond...
[04:52] <flint> :^)
[04:52] <kjcole> Watch it everyone! Flint has a gun.  ;-)
[04:53] <kjcole> Duck!
[04:53] <flint> kjcole, ouch!
[04:53] <dthacker> the cathedral and the bizarre
[04:53] <Spec> bazaar
[04:53] <elkbuntu> take advertisement creation discussion to your LoCo channel or #ubuntu-marketing please
[04:53] <Spec> ok! next.
[04:55] <elkbuntu> ok, i think we've discussed sfd enough, im going to revert back to the first item and ask if anyone who has joined since that discussion if there's any issues that need advice
[04:55] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: can i have a pony?
[04:55] <Spec> No, Hobbsee! elkbuntu can't have a pony!
[04:55] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, steal mneptoks
[04:55] <Spec> hmm, that went wrong.
[04:55] <flint> kjcole, thanks for inviting me to this meeting (yes Melissa, this is Kevin's fault, and he may do it again :^)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ooh, there's an idea
[04:56] <dthacker> the pony ran off when elkbuntu blew the offtopic horn
[04:56] <flint> thanks and later..
[04:56] <elkbuntu> dthacker, it can tolerate mneptok, it can tolerate a horn :
[04:56] <dthacker> hehe
[04:57] <elkbuntu> Ok, i think that means we're done...
[04:57] <amachu> hey.. we would like to have the Ubuntu Derivate Team going
[04:57] <amachu> :-(
[04:58] <elkbuntu> amachu, that is outside the loco scope, i'm afraid. while loco relevent, out of our control.
[04:58] <amachu> elkbuntu: ok
[04:58] <kjcole> Good chatting with you all...  (I guess we
[04:58] <dthacker> amachu: is there a team set up?
[04:58] <kjcole> (I guess we're NOT using MootBot after all...)
[04:59] <Spec> kjcole: indeed we're not :)
[04:59] <amachu> dthacker: nope.. it started and stopped in between
[04:59] <elkbuntu> amachu, see the PM
[04:59] <Spec> kjcole: now get to work! *whipcrack*
[04:59] <amachu> :-(
[04:59] <amachu> PM?
[04:59] <elkbuntu> amachu, private message
[04:59] <amachu> ok
[04:59] <kjcole> Are we ajourning?
[05:00] <elkbuntu> kjcole, unless you have another genuine matter, yes
[05:00] <kjcole> s/ajourning/adjourning/
[05:00] <kjcole> OK.  Later all.
[05:01] <elkbuntu> thanks for coming everyone
[05:01] <Spec> elkbuntu: When is the next LoCo meeting?
[05:02] <dthacker> elkbuntu: this time works for me, hope it works for non-us teams.....
[05:02] <elkbuntu> Spec, when i announce it :)
[05:02] <kjcole> (Most excellent time for me...)
[05:02] <elkbuntu> Spec, i think i'm going to aim for monthly, since fortnightly doesnt bring alot of discussion
[05:03] <Spec> elkbuntu: sounds good
[05:03] <elkbuntu> dthacker, this is the most encompassing time I could find
[05:04] <amachu> okie
[05:04] <dthacker> sounds good
[05:04] <dthacker> monthly that is
[05:04] <amachu> it works fine for us
[05:04] <Spec> for US.
[05:04] <Spec> I wonder if we could reserve the DC Mall for SFD
[05:05] <elkbuntu> Spec, worth trying. One thing some teams found useful was to dress young kids in tshirts that say 'I'm not scared of Open Source' and have them trot around handing leaflets out
[05:06] <mc44> exploiting children! zomg :)
[05:06] <Spec> woohoo!
[05:06] <elkbuntu> mc44, damn straight
[05:06] <Spec> i don't know, the DC mall is pretty damn big
[05:06] <Spec> the logistics of operating a SFD would be mind boggling...unless we had the full support of all the LUGs in our area
[05:06] <Spec> and, of course, the government.
[05:07] <elkbuntu> Spec, the worst you can get is a 'no', in which case you move on to plan b
[05:07] <kjcole> Spec, I think you've been drinking flint's Free Beer.
[05:07] <elkbuntu> try the local library, see if they'd be willing to let people congregate on the lawn or in the foyer
[05:07] <Spec> kjcole: how hard could it be?
[05:08] <Spec> to drink the free beer, that is.
[05:08] <elkbuntu> anyway, anyone interested in SFD can move their talk to #sfd :)
[05:09] <Spec> 'k, laters.
[05:09] <kjcole> And, with that, I really do think I must be going.  Someone record whatever happens on #sfd
[05:09] <kjcole> and perhaps send out an e-mail...
[05:09] <kjcole> Ta-ta.
[06:04] <greg_g> @schedule Detriot
[06:04] <greg_g> @schedule Detroit
[06:04] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 26 Jun 09:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 11:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 15:00: Technical Board
[06:04] <greg_g> I always do that
[10:15] <myriam_rs> @schedule Zrich
[10:16] <myriam_rs> @schedule Zurich
[10:16] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 26 Jun 15:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 17:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 14:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 21:00: Technical Board
[10:19] <Ju> @schedule Los_angeles
[10:19] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 26 Jun 06:00: Community Council | 26 Jun 08:00: Kernel Team | 27 Jun 05:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 28 Jun 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 03 Jul 12:00: Technical Board
[10:41] <coreymon77> hi, ive got a question
[10:42] <coreymon77> is it allowed for people who are already approved members to vouch for me at the meeting? (im trying to get approved)
[10:44] <ScottK> coreymon77: Is this for Ubuntu membership?
[10:44] <coreymon77> yup
[10:44] <ScottK> Yes.


[00:02] <meena> catred: on qemu/bhyve and on Hetzner (which is also qemu) the ISO isn't actually ejected
[00:20] <minimal> meena: is it actually a CDROM device? or just a ISO9960 image on a block device?
[00:22] <meena> minimal: it's pretending to be a CD ROM device.
[00:41] <minimal> meena: "eject" works for me on QEMU if the device is using virtio-scsi.
[00:42] <meena> aaah
[00:42] <meena> ok.
[00:42] <meena> I'll try that tomorrow, rn it's time to head to bed
[00:42] <minimal> Using virtio-blk won't work unless you're using the ISO image as a block device, not a CDROM, doesn't matter if you specify "media=cdrom"
[00:43] <meena> i was using it as straight SATA / SCSI device, not virtio-scsi
[00:43] <minimal> so if the "cdrom" appears as /dev/vda or /dev/vdb etc then it is not a cdrom
[00:43] <meena> which makes me wonder if we actually support virtio-scsi
[00:43] <minimal> oh, didn't try "real" scsi on a VM but it should work the same as virtio-scsi
[00:43] <minimal> as they're using almost the same device "stack" on Linux
[00:43] <minimal> not sure about FreeBSD
[00:44] <meena> minimal: i just updated my desktop, so i now have a qemu version from this decade
[00:44] <meena> but now my fonts are all messed up
[00:44] <meena> oh well…
[00:45] <minimal> for Qemu try using "-drive file=XYZ.iso,id=cdrom0,if=none,format=raw,media=cdrom,readonly=on
[00:45] <minimal> -device virtio-scsi-pci,id=scsi0
[00:45] <meena> I will absolutely do no such thing; I'm going to bed,
[00:45] <minimal> -device scsi-cd,bus=scsi0.0,drive=cdrom0
[00:46] <meena> also, I usually use virt-manager to create my VMs and then complain that it can't do everything i need
[00:50] <minimal> virt mangler? ;-)
[01:16] <meena> haaahh
[20:14] <minimal> FYI: https://hackingthe.cloud/aws/exploitation/local_ec2_priv_esc_through_user_data/


[00:01] <magespawn> good morning
[09:03] <inetpro> Kilos reen gehad?
[09:03] <inetpro> goeie more
[09:04]  * inetpro had about 29mm
[13:54] <squish102> i have the strangest problem on a linux box, login as root but i cannot type a commands. some work like df -h, but top or screen just never returns
[13:55] <squish102> vi doesnt work, but cat does
[13:55] <squish102> had some storage removed, but not sure what to look for
[13:58] <MaNI> sounds like a ncurses issue or something
[13:58] <MaNI> all the problem commands involve manipulating the terminal in some way other than just plain text output
[13:58] <squish102> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm6be5n
[13:58] <MaNI> while the ones that work are all plain text output
[13:58] <squish102> hmm
[13:59] <squish102> i'd have no idea what to do about ncurses
[14:00] <MaNI> perhaps: strace top - or similar can shed a bit more light
[14:00] <squish102> what happened is that this is a vm on vmware and we ripped a storage array out from under it. vmware had a failure because disk wasnt removed correctly and vm would not start. removed all storage array disk from vmware and machine booted.
[14:01] <squish102> strace top -
[14:01] <squish102> ^^ doesn't do anything
[14:02] <MaNI> maybe ncurses or some similar library that all these things share got corrupted or something, don't know if apt-get has some way to just forcefully reinstall everything if so that would clear it up
[14:03] <MaNI> otherwise I don't know - can't see a direct link between a failed storage array and your symptoms, but theres definitely some kind of a pattern to which commands are working and which are not
[14:04] <squish102> Thanks, that gives me a place to start
[16:54] <Kilos> hi everyone, many power cuts today with storm and rain
[16:55] <Kilos> and water getting into house wiring so earth leakage tripping
[16:55] <Kilos> helloooo inetpro and all you other lurkers
[17:05] <smile> Kilos-: hi :)
[17:07] <nsnzero> hey smile
[17:08] <smile> Should I leave? Should I stay? Should I come back another day? :)
[17:08]  * smile listens to David Carvet - Should I Leave
[17:08] <nsnzero> stick around
[17:08] <smile> I'll do that ;)
[17:08] <smile> for now :p
[17:09] <smile> Kilos-: but you still have power :)
[17:09] <smile> nsnzero: are you a developer? :)
[17:09] <nsnzero> no smile , just an average joe
[17:10] <nsnzero> but what do you need help with ?
[17:10] <smile> nothing in fact :) I was trying to build chmlib a few days ago, but to no avail :)
[17:10] <smile> I'm not used to C programming myself
[17:11] <smile> I know the basics, but I can't even compile a simple library XD
[17:11] <smile> unless there is a "configure" script, that is
[17:11] <smile> I wonder why it's missing
[17:11] <nsnzero> chm -> i remember that as a windows help file format
[17:11] <smile> yes! :D that's it!
[17:12] <smile> I'm writing a program to take a chm file, extract it and read the hhc file inside the chm archive
[17:12] <smile> the hhc file is what you end users call the table of contents
[17:12] <smile> ;)
[17:13] <nsnzero> ok in c there are two files to a library - the header and the code
[17:13] <smile> yeah, that's right. :)
[17:13] <nsnzero> do you have to use c ?
[17:13] <smile> I use JavaScript with node.js currently, for parsing the hhc file
[17:14] <smile> I wrote a command line tool with node.js and javascript
[17:14] <smile> I would like to know how I can "talk" to chmlib from JavaScript
[17:14] <smile> that way, I will get a lot of information about the chm file for free
[17:15] <smile> chmlib is also what's used by xchm and the sumatrapdf reader (which also opens chm files)
[17:16] <smile> chmlib is widely used, but not from within javascript ;)
[17:16] <smile> I'm going to play a game, be back in a while
[17:17] <nsnzero> ok sure i do some research in the mean time - i dont like java so i never learn't it
[17:25] <nsnzero> Maaz tell smile that this is a good starting point https://sourceforge.net/projects/chmpane/?source=typ_redirect
[17:25] <Maaz> nsnzero: Got it, I'll tell smile on freenode
[17:46] <smile> nsnzero: thanks :)
[17:46] <Maaz> smile: By the way, nsnzero on freenode told me "tell smile that this is a good starting point https://sourceforge.net/projects/chmpane/?source=typ_redirect" 20 minutes and 38 seconds ago
[17:46] <smile> I wonder if it's using chmlib, lets download it and look at the source code :)
[17:50] <Kilos-> power on and off smile
[17:51] <smile> Kilos-: now it's on I presume ;)
[17:51] <Kilos-> well duh
[17:51] <Kilos-> haha
[17:51] <Kilos-> longest its been on all day
[17:52] <smile> nsnzero: I tried chmpane, it works for some chm files, but even for CHM specification compliant files the chance of failing is high :)
[17:52] <smile> I might still have a good time studying the source code, but as a product on itself, it's worthless :)
[17:53] <smile> Kilos-: lets celebrate that. :)
[17:55] <Kilos-> lol
[17:55] <Kilos-> Maaz coffee on
[17:55]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:56] <smile> chmpane uses lzx.c, which is written by Jed Wing :)
[17:56] <Kilos-> i have power sockets hanging outside the flush wall mountings to escape the water
[17:56] <smile> the same author as the chm specification
[17:56] <smile> Kilos-: good
[17:56] <Kilos-> will need to check roof tommorrow
[17:56] <smile> :D
[17:56] <Kilos-> or in ceiling
[17:56] <smile> Kilos-: don't fall of the roof
[17:56] <Kilos-> nope its too far for old peeps to fall
[17:57] <Kilos-> ill tie a safety rope to a sky hook
[17:58] <smile> (y)
[17:58] <smile> that's a thumbs up
[17:58] <smile> http://www.nongnu.org/chmspec/latest/ <- do you envy me for reading that? ;)
[17:59] <Kilos-> nope
[17:59] <Kilos-> ok guys i go sleep now. you have a good time
[17:59] <Kilos-> see you tomorrow
[17:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos-!
[17:59] <Kilos-> oh my
[17:59] <Kilos-> Maaz ty
[17:59] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos-
[17:59]  * Kilos- sips cyber coffee
[18:00] <smile> good night, Kilos-
[18:00] <smile> good luck sleeping with drinking coffee late at night.. ;)
[18:01] <Kilos-> lol ty
[18:06] <nsnzero> smile - you will see in the spec that extracting the index is not guaranteed
[18:06] <smile> nsnzero: the CHM spec on nongnu.org? :p
[18:07] <nsnzero> the chm is just a bunch on html files , with an index which is compressed with LHZ and complied into the chm file itself
[18:07] <smile> index != table of contents :p
[18:07] <smile> index = keyword index = hhk file
[18:07] <smile> table of contents = hhc file
[18:08] <smile> it seems to extract the table of contents, but the encoding is wrong o.O
[18:08] <smile> it's just plain ascii / utf-8 I think..
[18:08] <smile> so it shouldn't fail at all
[18:10] <nsnzero> now you just want to extract the index or hhk file ?
[18:10] <smile> hhk = index XD
[18:10] <smile> I want to extract the hhc file
[18:10] <smile> which is the toc
[18:10] <smile> ;)
[18:11] <smile> I've succeeded at it with JavaScript and 7-Zip already :)
[18:11] <smile> but I'm very interested in the $FIftiMain file: http://www.nongnu.org/chmspec/latest/Internal.html#FIftiMain
[18:11] <smile> the search cache :)
[18:12] <smile> chmpane is not using chmlib o.O
[18:15] <nsnzero> i need to find a chm file to check out
[18:18] <smile> nsnzero: I'll pass you one :) what's your e-mail address?
[18:18] <nsnzero> got 1 aready
[18:21] <smile> okay :) where did you get it? :) I would like to test it as well :)
[18:34] <nsnzero> sorry smile : from here https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms669985(v=vs.85).aspx
[18:34] <nsnzero> right from the source
[18:36] <inetpro> ai!
[18:37] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos why you killing our power now as well?
[18:37] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:38] <nsnzero> hi inetpro
[18:39] <smile> nsnzero: thanks
[18:39] <inetpro> hi nsnzero
[18:39] <inetpro> city of Tshwane, "Power off due to a 132Kv trip, technicians already attending to it. ETR not yet known."
[18:40] <smile> ETR => estimated time resolved? ;)
[18:41] <inetpro> I guess so yes... down since about 18:30 here
[18:41] <inetpro> or estimated time to recover
[18:42] <inetpro> or estimated time to resolve
[18:45] <nsnzero> we had a transformer trip about a week ago - lucky it was about 10pm
[18:46] <nsnzero> when it blew about 8 months ago it took a week for them to fully restore power
[18:52] <nsnzero> smile - here is 1 using chmlib https://github.com/jedwing/CHMLib/blob/master/NOTES
[18:59] <smile> nsnzero: I came across it before, but now I already understand some more of it :)
[18:59] <smile> I now realize i just can call any chm* function from chmlib.c from within another c program
[19:00] <smile> let's hope I don't need the source code of "chmlib", and just use the compiled library as available in the repos
[19:00] <nsnzero> just include chmlib.h aswell
[19:02] <smile> yeah, but do I need the file "chmlib.h"? or will the C compiler detect "hey, I dont need to have chmlib.h, because I already have the installed chmlib?"
[19:05] <nsnzero> normally the *.h is the library that pulls the relevant c code into your program
[19:06] <nsnzero> i havent programmed in c in a long time - and i only use it for Atmel AVR microcontrollers
[19:07] <smile> I have a directory with chmlib.h and test_chmLib.c in
[19:07] <smile> [geoffrey@msi-laptop chmlib-tests]$ LANG=C gcc test_chmLib.c -o testchmlib
[19:07] <smile> /tmp/ccHNORkc.o: In function `main':
[19:07] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0x69): undefined reference to `chm_open'
[19:07] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0xe9): undefined reference to `chm_resolve_object'
[19:07] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0x1b4): undefined reference to `chm_retrieve_object'
[19:07] <smile> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:07] <smile> that means it can't import chmlib
[19:07] <smile> :/
[19:08] <smile> it doesn't matter if I have a chmlib.h in the same directory, it fails with the same errors
[19:11] <nsnzero> include chm_lib.c those missing functions are in there
[19:15] <smile> nsnzero: did that, no effect :) I found this, what should I do with it? :)
[19:15] <smile> https://github.com/jedwing/CHMLib/blob/master/src/Makefile.simple
[19:16] <MaNI> thats a linker error
[19:16] <smile> I would like to do a ./configure, make, make install, but no such file or command "./configure"
[19:16] <MaNI> you need to tell the linker to link chmlib
[19:16] <smile> MaNI: how?
[19:16] <MaNI> i.e. nothing to do with the header file
[19:17] <MaNI> gcc test_chmLib.c -o testchmlib -Lchmlib
[19:17] <MaNI> for example
[19:17] <smile> [geoffrey@msi-laptop chmlib-tests]$ LANG=C gcc test_chmLib.c -o testchmlib -Lchmlib
[19:17] <smile> /tmp/cc5KpISp.o: In function `main':
[19:17] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0x69): undefined reference to `chm_open'
[19:17] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0xe9): undefined reference to `chm_resolve_object'
[19:17] <smile> test_chmLib.c:(.text+0x1b4): undefined reference to `chm_retrieve_object'
[19:17] <smile> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:17] <smile> :|
[19:19] <smile> chmlib files (installed from repo): /usr/bin/chm_http /usr/bin/enum_chmLib /usr/bin/enumdir_chmLib /usr/bin/extract_chmLib /usr/bin/test_chmLib /usr/include/chm_lib.h /usr/include/lzx.h /usr/lib/libchm.so /usr/lib/libchm.so.0 /usr/lib/libchm.so.0.0.0
[19:20] <MaNI> sorry, -lchmlib
[19:20] <MaNI> -L is for specifying the search path.
[19:22] <nsnzero> thanks MaNI - i never built with command line gcc before
[19:24] <MaNI> header file (include) tells it -what- definitions to expect to find, linker has to actually locate those definitions in order to produce a binary that knows how to call them
[19:24] <MaNI> undefined reference is always a linker error
[19:24] <smile> :)
[19:24] <smile> [geoffrey@msi-laptop chmlib-tests]$ LANG=C gcc test_chmLib.c -o testchmlib -lchmlib
[19:24] <smile> /usr/sbin/ld: cannot find -lchmlib
[19:24] <smile> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:24] <smile> not yet there :)
[19:25] <smile> should I specify the path to the library, instead of the name?
[19:25] <smile>  /usr/lib/libchm.so maybe?
[19:25] <MaNI> I'm just assuming the name of course, I've never used 'chmlib' so I don't know what it calls itself
[19:26] <MaNI> if it's named libchm.so then it should just be -lchm
[19:26] <MaNI> if it's in a custom (non system) path then you need to tell the linker where to find it with e.g. -L/my/custom/folder as well
[19:26]  * nsnzero goes to read up on C.... again
[19:27] <nsnzero> goodnight guys - hope everything works out
[19:27] <smile> MaNI: you're an angel :D LANG=C gcc test_chmLib.c -o testchmlib -lchm worked
[19:27] <smile> LANG=C is just added because I could show you the error messages and info messages in English ;)
[19:30] <superfly> Hello
[19:33] <smile> I'm leaving, thank you for your support! :)
[19:35] <smile> bye :)
[20:13] <nlsthzn> hey superfly , so how is the US?
[20:15]  * nlsthzn will check for an answer in the morning... bed time :p
[20:16] <superfly> nlsthzn: so far, it's a good winter. In general, warmer than South Africa's winter.
[20:17] <superfly> nlsthzn But I'm in the desert, so that kinda figures
[21:05]  * inetpro falling asleep
[21:06] <inetpro> superfly: take care and have a good rest of the day
[21:07] <inetpro> good night
[23:41] <squish102> just had first snow day and snow is gone :(
[23:42] <squish102> !weather charlotte, nc
[23:42] <squish102> Maaz weather charlotte, nc
[23:42] <Maaz> squish102: In Charlotte, North Carolina at 5:52 PM EST on January 07, 2017: -2°C; Humidity: 49%; Wind: NW at 11 km/h; Conditions: Partly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:32 AM EST/5:27 PM EST; Moonrise/set: 1:31 PM EST/2:03 AM EST


[11:58] <sakrecoer_> hey guys! UI freeze is next week. :) is this when we ubuntustudio-look should be finished?
[13:43] <zequence> sakrecoer_: It is the date when vanilla Ubuntu UI needs to be done, but it is a good date for us as well
[15:23] <OvenWerks> zequence: did you see my note about -default-settings?
[15:23] <OvenWerks> zequence: it seems the fix was never uploaded or at least never made it to the repos.
[15:24] <OvenWerks> the version in launch pad does not match the verion on the ISO
[16:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: I must have made some error there. I will have a look and fix it.
[17:20] <sakrecoer_> zequence: ok :) good!
[17:21] <sakrecoer_> i can't figure out how to get my DEV-install to diplay the whisker menu...
[17:22] <sakrecoer_> i've done update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, but the old menu is the one showing. i gues i should just reinstall it from scratch..
[19:23] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I haven't uploaded the fix yet, so it'll only work if you edit the whisker config file for now
[19:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: if you can't see whisker after an up grade, create another user and see if it is there for the new user.
[19:38] <OvenWerks> Once a user has logged in once, the global default is copied to the users ~/.config/xfce* file and making changes to the gobal config will not change that user.
[19:40] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: if you truely want a new user experience :) and you probably don't want to do this. You can remove .config and .cache from your home directory. But be aware that you will loose a lot of stuff.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: you can also add whisker to your panel manually, but for testing purposes creating a new user is the standard method.
[19:47] <sakrecoer_> thanks zequence and OvenWerks :) i'll try create a new user