[02:10] <livingdaylight> "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:11] <Netziro> if it get some errors.. then use sudo apt-get -f install
[02:11] <Netziro> later u can to sudo apt-get update
[02:11] <Netziro> and use adept normally
[02:12] <livingdaylight> anyone know how to configure Kmail?
[02:12] <malkavian> wops, i know what is wrong... wrong settings on my repositories list, sry for problem :)
[02:12] <Netziro> livingdaylight:  sorry, i don't use kmail...
[02:12] <Netziro> thunderbird is better.. :)
[02:13] <Netziro> cool :)
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> kmail has some nice features, but thunderbird is more stable for sure, especially with imap, with kmail I constantly have to rm my index files for imap accounts.
[02:14] <livingdaylight> Thunderbird is not better than Kmail - be serious
[02:14] <livingdaylight> i need my Calendar
[02:14] <livingdaylight> does Thunderbird have Calendar?
[02:14] <livingdaylight> or is it just an email client?
[02:15] <Jucato> (kmail doesn't have a calendar either...)
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: that's why I still use kmail and put up with my imap problems. :) kmail is more featureful by far.
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> well, kontact
[02:15] <livingdaylight> LeeJunFan, i don't use imap, having problems with pop3
[02:16] <livingdaylight> says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:16] <depi> hi all, how can I mount my remote FTP as my local drive?
[02:17] <depi> is there any command like mount_ftp in mac os?
[02:18] <Netziro> u can do from kde
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <livingdaylight>  says:  "could not start process pop3" ?? Can anyone help me see where i'm going wrong configuring Kmail?
[02:18] <Netziro> in status bar you have Start with K logo and the second icon who open 4 item... click on remote address
[02:19] <Netziro> and later u can do it using add network dir
[02:19] <depi> I need to work with it from editor, to edit fileso n ftp
[02:19] <livingdaylight> Please, do NOT make me reinstall Evolution, please!?
[02:19] <Netziro> or on konqueror
[02:19] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: i hear thunderbird's a good app
[02:20] <Netziro> u can write on address bar ftp://ftp.address.com
[02:20] <livingdaylight> what is it with asking about a problem with one app and everyone suggesting a different application?
[02:20] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, i need Kontact for Kalendar etc
[02:20] <Netziro> and it opens ftps withous problems.. and u can do mods and save files
[02:20] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: you suggested an app, i suggested a better one :)
[02:21] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, please shut up
[02:21] <Bubba_Gump> :)
[02:21] <livingdaylight> i'm not interested in a thunderbird /Kontact flamewar
[02:22] <livingdaylight> i just would like someone to tell me what this pop3 thing is i'm having a problem with
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: i would like kontact to work for me too
[02:22] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, huh, have you had problems with it?
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: yup
[02:22] <Bubba_Gump> livingdaylight: pop3 (hotmaill)
[02:23] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, i thought Kmail was a top-brass application
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> it is
[02:23] <livingdaylight> Bubba_Gump, what is the calendar alternative?
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> it works great, until hotmail changed things around a bit
[02:23] <Bubba_Gump> i think a plug-in is needed
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: do you need to install hotway?     hotway - pop3 to Hotmail (HTTPmail) gateway
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: perhaps kmail requires that for pop3 to hotmail?
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> livingdaylight: actually a howto I found says use gotmail
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> http://madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=27
[02:27] <Jucato> unless you're paying for Hotmail, you can't get any POP3 from it. not KMail's fault. Thunderbird alone won't be able to do it either anyway...
[02:28] <livingdaylight> LeeJunFan, its Bubba_Gump who had issues with homtail working in kmail, I don't use hotmail, my issue is basic pop3 as i 've already said
[02:28] <Jucato> basic pop3 using what?
[02:28] <LeeJunFan> oh sorry.
[02:28] <Jucato> Gmail pop3 works fine here
[02:29] <Jucato> er.. gtg...
[02:29] <livingdaylight> lol, Jucato
[02:29] <livingdaylight> using Kmail, Jucato
[02:29] <Jucato> livingdaylight: yes, but who's POP3 service?
[02:30] <ubuntu> d
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, ah...blueyonder
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, pop3.blueyonder.co.uk
[02:30] <defrysk> why is kmail not in the menu ?
[02:30] <livingdaylight> Jucato, they're Telewest, my isp provider
[02:30] <Jucato> defrysk: because it's in Kontact
[02:30] <defrysk> Jucato, tnks :)
[02:31] <Jucato> livingdaylight: you have double checked every setting right? server, port, authentication (SSL stuff)?
[02:31] <Jucato> anyway, brb...
[02:35] <defrysk> livingdaylight, read the kmail bit on this page : http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/41552-complete-guide-using-gmail-thunderbird-mozilla-mail-evolution-kmail.html
[02:37] <livingdaylight> defrysk, i was only trying to get my isp pop account to open in kmail. I've given up and gonna find something else
[02:39] <defrysk> sure
[02:40] <Gandalf> HI
[02:40] <Gandalf> any person
[02:40] <Gandalf> that give
[02:40] <Gandalf> me help?
[02:41] <Morbo> ican
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> !ask | Gandalf
[02:42] <ubotu> Gandalf: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:42] <snpzee> !xgl
[02:42] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[02:43] <Gandalf> ubotu
[02:44] <Gandalf> sorry for my english
[02:44] <Gandalf> i'm italian
[02:44] <Gandalf> :
[02:44] <Gandalf> I've a problem about network connection
[02:44] <Gandalf> on Kubuntu 6.10
[02:44] <Alextremo> don't worry Gandalf
[02:44] <Gandalf> what is the way to start an automatic ocnfiguration of my connection?
[02:44] <Alextremo> i'm venezuelan
[02:45] <Alextremo> jeje
[02:45] <Gandalf> lol
[02:45] <Gandalf> sudo ppoeconf it's right?
[02:51] <Schalken> *sigh* still no luck. im beginning to think this whole compiz thing is a joke and people just gimped the screenshots ;)
[02:57] <GnarusLeo> Hi, I have the flash player plugin for firefox, but most flash-thingys on the web needs version 8 of flash ... how do I get this?
[02:57] <LeeJunFan> !flash9
[02:57] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[02:58] <GnarusLeo> thanks :)
[03:00] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[03:05] <dinosaur-rus> I can't get a screenshot with the keyboard shortcut
[03:06] <GnarusLeo> LeeJunFan, do you know if it installs the plugin on firefox automatic?
[03:06] <GnarusLeo> Unfortunately you don't have Macromedia Flash 8 installed. I get this .. I have the flashplayer-nonfree-9beta package
[03:06] <user_> hello
[03:07] <user_> i'm using the alternate install
[03:07] <user_> i placed ks.cfg in /installeer and edited isolinux.cfg and added ks=/installeer/ks.cfg to the APPEND line. however the script doesn't automate stuff
[03:08] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: sorry, I don't know. I downloaded mine from adobe in tarball and copied the plugin to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/.
[03:08] <Jucato> !flash 9
[03:08] <ubotu> Flash player 9 beta has been released. You can download it here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for edgy)  -  Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:08] <GnarusLeo> I got that package Jucato
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: also make sure you remove the old flash plugin so it's not confused by having 2.
[03:09] <dinosaur-rus> !screenshot
[03:09] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: you can type "about:plugins" in your address bar in firefox to see what plugins it sees.
[03:09] <dinosaur-rus> uh, that doesn't work for me :(
[03:10] <octan> what port does msn use?
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> octan: 1863
[03:10] <octan> thxz
[03:10] <GnarusLeo> LeeJunFan, yeah ... can only see the flash 7 verison
[03:11] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: could you help me?
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> GnarusLeo: I'm not sure where that package put the plugin then, apparently somewhere firefox isn't looking.
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: with?
[03:11] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: can you still run ksnapshot?
[03:12] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: yes
[03:13] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: go to System Settings -> Accessibility -> Input Actions -> Preset Actions and check if the PrintScreen action is enabled
[03:13] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: it's enabled
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: you aren't running beryl or compiz are you?
[03:14] <dinosaur-rus> LeeJunFan: I even dunno what that is :))
[03:15] <BluesKaj> Howdy All ! :)
[03:15] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: on the Keyboard Shortcut tab (Input actions -> Print Screen), does it still say "Print"? try changing it to something else, then back to "Print" again
[03:15] <Jucato> hi Admiral_Chicago
[03:15] <Admiral_Chicago> how is it going
[03:16] <DaSkreech> There should be a way to combine multiple Cd ISOs to burn on a DVD :-(
[03:16] <Jucato> doing fine. slow day...
[03:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Howdy!
[03:16] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: didn't help
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> DaSkreech: just burn the iso's as files to DVD then mount them with loopback :)
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Hiya DaSkreech!
[03:17] <DaSkreech> LeeJunFan: Ha ha That works great for all but install Cds
[03:17] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Whats Digging?
[03:17] <BluesKaj> Jucato,!  I got me printer today, too. yay!
[03:19] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Easy use the zoom on teh camera to read it :)
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> i got...9 hours of sleep.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> i still use windows for emergency DVD stuiff
[03:20] <Jucato> lol
[03:20] <Admiral_Chicago> haven't done that in well over a month
[03:20] <BluesKaj> yeah DaSkreech :)
[03:23] <BluesKaj> right on Jucato...which printer ?
[03:23] <Jucato> HP PSC 1350 :)
[03:24] <BluesKaj> HP for teh win !
[03:24] <Jucato> evrything works purrrrfectly (except for the card reader, and the ink...)
[03:25] <LeeJunFan> I'm thinking about getting an hp460, portable printer.
[03:25] <Jucato> yeah, never expected it to work out of the box, specially the scanner
[03:25] <Jucato> (actually, I had to install some stuff, but since I don't have default kubuntu-installed, that's not a surprise)
[03:25] <BluesKaj> using an elcheapo HP Deskjet 3520 on the windows network ...it's lasted 3 yrs ...that's longer than the canon 5100 i had originally that 3 times more than the HP
[03:26] <BluesKaj> cost 3 times more than the HP
[03:26] <Jucato> yeah, HP isn't exactly the cheapest printer around here...
[03:27] <Jucato> I was worried that the scanner (which was actually more important to me) wouldn't work. :P
[03:28] <Guardian> hello
[03:28] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I got my HP 3500 scamnner working on Edgy
[03:28] <Guardian> with the traditional desktop cd, how can i install grub where i want (that is not on the mbr)
[03:29] <LeeJunFan> Guardian: not sure, but my guess would be that you'd have to boot from it and do a text install.
[03:31] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato, LeeJunFan: any ideas why getting screenshots through keyboard shortcuts doesn't work?
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: sorry, no clue.
[03:32] <dinosaur-rus> :(
[03:33] <LeeJunFan> dinosaur-rus: I've always just use ksnapshot myself.
[03:33] <Jucato> neither do I. do your other keyboard shortcuts work?
[03:33] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: yes
[03:34] <Jucato> my only guess would be that the PrintScreen button was mapped to something else. making it ignore Input Actions' settings
[03:38] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: but it doesn't work even if I change the shortcut to, e.g. Alt+F10
[03:38] <BluesKaj> trying open a rar file but /usr/bin/rar file association or "open with" doesn't work ...any ideas ?
[03:38] <Jucato> BluesKaj: you have unrar installed?
[03:39] <intelikey> !unrar-free
[03:39] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[03:39] <BluesKaj> ooo, i thot rar was enuff ...oops :)
[03:39] <BluesKaj> too used to windows :)
[03:39] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: one last try: did you check if the Input Action correctly points to ksnapshot in teh Command/URL Settings tab
[03:40] <DaSkreech> !unrar
[03:40] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:40] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:40] <intelikey> every time i try to do anything on window i remember why i hate it.
[03:40] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: "Command/URL to execute: ksnapshot"
[03:41] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: another thing to try, check if the Presets Actions group is not disabled
[03:41] <intelikey> if there's a windows expert here, is there anyway to force xp to NOT load drivers for one hardware ?
[03:41] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: it's enabled
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Jucato, is the nonfree version more "capable" than the free version of unrar ?
[03:42] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: without any conditions
[03:42] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: also, in Input Actions, click on Global Settings near the bottom, then make sure that in the General Settings tab, khotkeys daemon is not disabled
[03:42] <voicu> !p2p
[03:42] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[03:42] <dinosaur-rus> Jucato: enabled
[03:43] <Jucato> dinosaur-rus: if those still don't work, then the only other alternative I could think of is right-clicking on KSnapshot in the K Menu, selecting Edit Menu, then giving KSnapshot a shortcut there..
[03:43] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I think the free version doesn't handle more recent versions of RAR
[03:43] <Guardian> LeeJunFan: well in fact you can change it in the graphics installer ! i have to change (hd0) to something, will (hd0,7) install grub on /dev/hda8 ?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> ok Jucato thx
[03:44] <Jucato> BluesKaj: "Rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. There are several versions of rar and the newest version, 3.0, is not supported by any free tools." from the wiki
[03:44] <intelikey> Guardian looks right
[03:45] <intelikey> Guardian that assumes that hd0 is /dev/hda
[03:47] <intelikey> what exactly does blkid read ?
[03:48] <voicu> !rpm
[03:48] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:49] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean?
[03:49] <Jucato> intelikey: probably /dev/disk/by-uuid (if that's what you meant)
[03:50] <intelikey> jucato no, that's not what i mean.   the man page sujests that it is "utility to locate/print block device attributes"  but it only display fs data not block devices
[03:51] <Jucato> ah ok.. don't know then :)
[03:51] <ubuntu> salut le chan :)
[03:51] <ubuntu> oops
[03:51] <akrus> salut le chan / hello everyone
[03:52] <akrus> after Microsoft released Windows Vista I've finally decided Linux is ten times better lol
[03:53] <marcelrc> hello all
[03:53] <akrus> last time I was using Kubuntu (RC) it hadn't detected my WiFi while I was in LiveCD mode so I can say that it became really nice in Release :D
[03:53] <akrus> marcelrc: heya
[03:54] <akrus> intelikey: actually I was comparing to Beryl :)
[03:54] <akrus> I still cannot move some of my friends to linux lol
[03:55] <intelikey> with windows, like any whore; you get less than you pay for.
[03:55] <Guardian> intelikey yep it is, thx for the help and sorry for the lag :)
[03:55] <akrus> btw is there any utility that will display my current connection status on the KDE Taskbar?
[03:55] <akrus> cause it takes too long to open konsole -> ifconfig or System Settings :)
[03:56] <marcelrc> some from brazil
[03:57] <akrus> I still remember first time I tried using Linux at home hehe
[03:57] <akrus> I was really young... around 11 years old :)
[03:57] <akrus> omg, Gaim2beta5 released, something new to test out...
[03:57] <intelikey> akrus knetdockapp - Network activity monitor applet for KDE
[03:57] <akrus> intelikey: thanks :)
[03:58] <intelikey> akrus i've never seen that so i cant tell you what it does.    apt-cache search network monitor | grep -ie kde
[03:58] <cryptom> hi all, I would like to setup a linux environment in our school (linux server and kubuntu clients with server-based home dirs and user accounts). What is the best way to achieve this? Samba?
[03:58] <Jucato> time to hit the sack. night guys!! :)
[03:59] <voicu> has anyone tried using frostwire or limewire under ubuntu edgy?
[03:59] <akrus> still waiting for the installer... it always lags at HDD detecting...
[03:59] <akrus> for me, unfortunately :)
[04:00] <intelikey> cryptom samba isn't needed for that.  samba is for windows networks.
[04:00] <cryptom> intelikey, ok, what do you propose?
[04:00] <akrus> I still do not understand how Vista may be better than Linux? At least memory usage is very high... I can't believe someone will use it for server :D
[04:00] <BluesKaj> voicu , try aMule
[04:00] <akrus> or xMule as well
[04:01] <voicu> well, I guess I am going to try an alternative if this one doesn't work but I wanted to know if someone had used frostwire and how did he do it
[04:01] <voicu> *he/she :D
[04:02] <intelikey> cryptom i propose asking someone that knows networking.   which unfortunately isn't me.    but linux has several ability in that field.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> Xmule , akrus ... never tried it , is it better than amule ?... cuz i can't get the Kad network to connect
[04:02] <akrus> BluesKaj: don't remember :)
[04:02] <akrus> BluesKaj: I didn't use it for a long time
[04:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i use torrents mostly
[04:03] <akrus> BluesKaj: same :)
[04:03] <voicu> well, amule is quite convenient, it's in the repos
[04:03] <dennister> IRkick
[04:03] <dennister> !IRKick
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about IRKick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <BluesKaj> amule is good for individaul mp3 s etc , but big stuff like movies it's like molasses in January
[04:03] <intelikey> cryptom vnc maybe  or ssh  depending on how/what you plan on doing.
[04:04] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: hello, Stream sucks :D
[04:04] <tamacracker> Hey guys, how do you change the login screen on  kde?
[04:04] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: ???
[04:04] <tamacracker> akrus does it?
[04:04] <intelikey> initrd-netboot-tools - initrd scripts for netboot support
[04:04] <intelikey> kernel-image-netbootable - net-bootable kernel for use with diskless systems
[04:04] <intelikey> mknbi - Create tagged images for Etherboot or Netboot
[04:05] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: nah, just found out you're from Russia :) Stream is okay, but until ADSL2+ is not implemented it sucks in ping rates :(
[04:05] <tamacracker> oh oopes
[04:05] <maverick> !ADSL2+
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ADSL2+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: :)
[04:05] <cryptom> intelikey, vnc? ssh? I intend to a server-based user accounts and server-based home directories for all my clients, not making remote logins
[04:05] <akrus> maverick: yep, it would be nice, but in Russia we're missing lots of things.
[04:05] <tamacracker> How do you change the login screen on  kde?
[04:05] <akrus> I still cannot get more than 550kbps at home.
[04:05] <akrus> Maximum: 1024kbps (ADSL)
[04:05] <intelikey> cryptom thus the later posts ^
[04:06] <maverick> well in egypt, we're missing loads of things :D
[04:06] <akrus> :)
[04:06] <dennister> ok, how do i add applications (like mythtv and mplayer) to IRkick?
[04:06] <akrus> recently Golden Telecom started WiFi network all over Moscow
[04:06] <akrus> so I'm using their WiFi sometimes. anyway it's free while testing mode is active :)
[04:06] <akrus> 2 Mbps for free is nice :)
[04:07] <intelikey> cryptom unless you mean the clients are running windows (yuch) and they log into a linux account on the server... ?
[04:07] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: at first, Stream has reasonable price. at second, they have 7.5Mbps plan :)
[04:07] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: but with limited bandwidth ;)
[04:08] <cryptom> intelikey, no, they should use the server only for authentication and storage, programs are executed on the client
[04:08] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: are 7GBytes too little for you? :)
[04:08] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: yep, very :) and I need upload speed more than 768kbps... too many things uploading :)
[04:09] <akrus> by the way Stream still has problems with their :games login... maybe you remember when there was a bug so everyone had access to internet in :games... so my friend has 6mbps and unmetered lol
[04:09] <maverick> akrus: are you a millionaire ??!!
[04:09] <maverick> lol
[04:09] <tamacracker> Can anyone tell me how to change my log in screeN?
[04:09] <akrus> maverick: no :)
[04:09] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: oh... you're sooooooo traffic-consuming...
[04:09] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: yeah :(
[04:10] <akrus> especially I love to download everything new from ubuntu's repos xD
[04:10] <maverick> akrus : i guess a traffic like wht u're talking about costs too much
[04:10] <intelikey> cryptom if no one in here can point you in the right dirrection, try #ubuntu   else  ##linux or ##linuxhelp
[04:10] <akrus> My server connection has 100mbps, unmetered... I wanna have it at home :D
[04:10] <maverick> it might causes me to pay 400$ per month
[04:10] <cryptom> intelikey, ok thx
[04:10] <akrus> maverick: I pay ~35$/month
[04:11] <dinosaur-rus> tamacracker: try System Settings -> Advanced -> Login Manager
[04:11] <akrus> I'd like to pay 50~70$ per month in case there was something available :)
[04:11] <intelikey> cryptom while "some" technical questions are resolved here,  most of this channel sees "where is the start button" type questions.
[04:11] <tamacracker> on kde?...
[04:11] <akrus> tamacracker: K Menu -> System Settings
[04:14] <tamacracker> yeah im on that
[04:14] <tamacracker> but..
[04:14] <tamacracker> there's no option
[04:14] <intelikey> 35$ 400$ what is that euro syntax ?
[04:14] <tamacracker> to replace the login screen
[04:14] <akrus> intelikey: 1,2 EUR = 1 USD
[04:14] <akrus> (approximately)
[04:14] <BluesKaj> tamacracker, kde/syssettings/login manager/advanced/admin mode/background
[04:15] <intelikey> not conversion rate.  the possion of $ relative to numbers ?
[04:15] <intelikey> we pay $22.50  <-- examplt
[04:15] <intelikey> e
[04:16] <akrus> ah
[04:16] <akrus> no idea xD
[04:17] <akrus> I pay 890 RUR :P
[04:17] <dinosaur-rus> is khotkeys daemon required for mouse gestures?
[04:18] <intelikey> i just saw it and wondered.  i know that some euro standards use date format YYYY/MM/DD   and   pounds 22.50l (not a unicode input here)   but not used to seeing x$
[04:26] <AaronCampbell> I want a video card that will be able to do dual monitors on a DEFAULT install of Kubuntu Edgy (without needing additional drivers).  Is this possible?
[04:26] <akrus> omg
[04:26] <akrus> sorry, just was trying out :)
[04:27] <intelikey> AaronCampbell i won't say "not possable" but i will say "not likely"
[04:28] <Schalken> What does it mean when you set something to install in Adept but it says 'BREAK (install)' instead of just 'install'???
[04:28] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: I thought there might be an HCL somewhere, but I can't find one.
[04:28] <akrus> AaronCampbell: you need proprietary software then...
[04:29] <intelikey> AaronCampbell i don't know of a hardware maker that does that and open sources the drivers.
[04:29] <AaronCampbell> akrus: that was to me?  I was asking if there were any cards that did NOT require proprietary drivers
[04:29] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: Ok.
[04:29] <akrus> AaronCampbell: likely no :(
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> I have very little time to mess with getting stuff to work, and after my last install, that was the only thing that didn't, so I went back to XP
[04:30] <hades> can i play windows games on kubuntu ?
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> was hoping to solve it by just buying a card that worked
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> and saving the time
[04:30] <dinosaur-rus> hades: with Cedega or Wine
[04:30] <AaronCampbell> hades: depends on what you mean by "games"
[04:30] <intelikey> ati "might" make one in the near future,  but don't hold your breath until it is released.... you're likely to sufficate.
[04:30] <akrus> hades: yeah, specify some please :)
[04:30] <hades> i mean like fifa 2007
[04:30] <hades> or just cause
[04:31] <hades> or .. scarface
[04:31] <hades> whatever
[04:31] <akrus> hades: www.winehq.org
[04:31] <hades> every type of games ?
[04:31] <akrus> Open applications database
[04:31] <akrus> and check in case it was tested
[04:31] <akrus> if it was -> you can play
[04:31] <Admiral_Chicago> not every game, but some
[04:31] <akrus> and what's your video card? ;)
[04:31] <akrus> I still can't believe nVidia works better under linux than ATI :(
[04:31] <hades> radeon 1600 XT  256Mb on pci-express
[04:31] <akrus> it will work mostly, but with problems
[04:32] <hades> what do you mean by problems ?
[04:32] <akrus> most popular games work without any problems (like Counter-Strike, especially 1.6)
[04:32] <akrus> well
[04:32] <akrus> for example Ragnarok Online + ATI card -> only full screen, with some lags during loading screens
[04:32] <dinosaur-rus> ATI's Linux drivers sucks :)
[04:32] <akrus> same with nVidia -> no problems... :(
[04:32] <akrus> yeah
[04:32] <AaronCampbell> intelikey: I have an older ATI Radeon 9250 in my system.  Is there a how-to for setting that up on edgy?
[04:33] <akrus> next PC i'm going to buy will be with nVidia....
[04:33] <hades> hmm
[04:33] <hades> ill try
[04:33] <akrus> lol
[04:33] <akrus> one of my friends does not know english
[04:33] <hades> should i use adept to install the wine package ?
[04:33] <akrus> he's using translator...
[04:33] <intelikey> on edgy specificly, idk, but there was on dapper, maybe it's been updated.
[04:33] <intelikey> !ati
[04:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <akrus> I still cannot understand what does he want to tell xD
[04:34] <akrus> >> I have to a kind when shall meet I of money of ladies
[04:34] <Admiral_Chicago> hades: yes
[04:34] <akrus> btw was the bug with ATI auto installer fixed?
[04:35] <akrus> I meant do I still need to add it to kernel modules list which should be loaded during system startup?
[04:35] <intelikey> !wine
[04:35] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:36] <dinosaur-rus> !cedega
[04:36] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[04:36] <akrus> Cedega sucks :)
[04:36] <Admiral_Chicago> dinosaur-rus: that's because ATI doesn't open source their drivers
[04:36] <hades> it is so strange
[04:36] <akrus> btw does nVidia?
[04:36] <hades> they dont open source they drivers
[04:36] <hades> it doesent make any sens at all
[04:36] <akrus> hades: it's secret development x)
[04:37] <akrus> noone should know anything about it *hides*
[04:38] <hades> that is the biggest disadvantage for linux... every small thing to do like playing the games or making wifi is a big problem
[04:39] <akrus> wifi is okay
[04:39] <akrus> confirmed :)
[04:39] <akrus> using it atm
[04:39] <hades> i would not say that
[04:39] <akrus> D-Link DWL-510G
[04:39] <akrus> lemme guess... 6.06.1 LTS? ;)
[04:40] <hades> yes ...
[04:40] <hades> edgy ? ;)
[04:40] <akrus> yep
[04:40] <akrus> ;)
[04:40] <akrus> for home it's okay
[04:40] <trappist> hades: it depends on the card you have.  if there are open source drivers available, it's a snap.  same with games - open source, snap.  otherwise it takes some work.
[04:40] <hades> i shoudl make an update ...
[04:40] <akrus> LTS for server/corporates mostly
[04:40] <akrus> hm
[04:40] <akrus> you may use my mirror :D
[04:40] <akrus> http://kubuntu.flygames.net/ ;)
[04:41] <hades> trappist: really ? tell me why on my computer 1GB RAM 3.0Ghz(Intel pentium D) and Ati radeon 1600xt pci express with 256mb tux racer works like crap
[04:41] <hades> ?
[04:41] <akrus> apt-get install fglrx
[04:41] <akrus> :P
[04:41] <akrus> or www.ati.com -> Linux Drivers -> Download
[04:42] <akrus> second one will be better I think...
[04:42] <trappist> hades: because there are no (good) open source ati drivers
[04:42] <trappist> hades: you need the proprietary ones
[04:42] <akrus> let's develop it!
[04:42] <akrus> but
[04:42] <akrus> what about nVidia?
[04:42] <akrus> isn't it the same?
[04:42] <trappist> both companies refuse to release their specs
[04:42] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: nVidia's drivers are partially open-source :)
[04:43] <hades> porpably couse they make crapy stuff ...
[04:43] <hades> :)
[04:43] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: hm... let's h4ck ATI s3rv3R xD
[04:43] <trappist> more likely because they're worried they'll sue each other all over the place when they see what's in there
[04:43] <akrus> oh i have an idea
[04:43] <Itcharlie> hello all
[04:43] <akrus> we should hack Windows Update...
[04:43] <akrus> and add auto update
[04:44] <Itcharlie> I am trying to install kubuntu
[04:44] <Itcharlie> on an aptiva
[04:44] <Itcharlie> IBM
[04:44] <akrus> mark it as 'Critical Security Fix'... and then add the Linux distro xD
[04:44] <Itcharlie> but when i choose any option
[04:44] <Itcharlie> it just restarts on me
[04:45] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: do you want to make people really mad?
[04:45] <akrus> dinosaur-rus: no, I want ATI to release source code of their drivers
[04:45] <Itcharlie> hi anyone can help me
[04:45] <akrus> hm... where's Reiser?
[04:45] <dinosaur-rus> ltcharlie: alternative or live CD?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> !wine
[04:46] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:46] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: and how that stuff refers to Windows Update?
[04:46] <akrus> everyone will switch to Linux
[04:46] <Itcharlie> my computer is an aptiva
[04:46] <akrus> and then ATI will listen to the people :)
[04:46] <Itcharlie> and its restarting on me
[04:46] <Itcharlie> everytime I choose an option on the menu to install
 AMD
[04:47] <akrus> :D
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> AMD is more likely to do so but again They are not worried about much else than being sued to tears
[04:48] <dinosaur-rus> akrus: don't blow the world ;)
[04:51] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: you're the one trying to get a midwest LoCo togethel/
[04:52] <Itcharlie> hi all
[04:52] <Itcharlie> I am trying to install
[04:52] <Itcharlie> kubuntu on an aptiva
[04:52] <Itcharlie> and when it boots up
[04:52] <Itcharlie> I am chooose an option
[04:52] <Itcharlie> an it just restarts
[04:53] <Itcharlie> I am using alternate cd install
[04:53] <akrus> hm... what's aptiva?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> IBM machine
[04:54] <akrus> hm
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Which option?
[04:54] <Itcharlie> yes
[04:54] <Itcharlie> IBM
[04:54] <Itcharlie> text mode
[04:54] <Itcharlie> any ideas
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Where does it restart?
[04:55] <Itcharlie> after pressing enter
[04:55] <Itcharlie> on that option
[04:56] <trappist> !enter
[04:56] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[04:56] <DaSkreech> try a different option?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> tackat: Morning
[04:56] <Itcharlie> I tried oem and commandline
[04:56] <Itcharlie> and still the same happens
[04:56] <DaSkreech> The Cd works on other computers?
[04:56] <Itcharlie> yes
[04:56] <Itcharlie> i tried that as well
[04:57] <Itcharlie> it works just ine
[04:57] <Itcharlie> fine
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:57] <DaSkreech> ok what happens if you press F6 twice?
[04:58] <jatos> hi
[04:59] <Itcharlie> f6
[04:59] <Itcharlie> two time
[05:00] <Itcharlie> makes me choose
[05:00] <Itcharlie> normal mode
[05:00] <Itcharlie> or expert mode
[05:01] <Itcharlie> i chose expert mode
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Right is there an option where you can select the command line prompt?
[05:01] <Itcharlie> and still does the same
[05:01] <DaSkreech> And it restarts?
[05:01] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:01] <Itcharlie> yes I see the command line
[05:01] <Itcharlie> what can I write there
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Can you give me an idea of what it says?
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Sorry I Haven't used it in a bit :(
[05:04] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:04] <Itcharlie> its says
[05:04] <patlkli> hi
[05:05] <intelikey> patlkli
[05:05] <patlkli> intelikey, yes?
[05:05] <akrus> :))
[05:05] <jatos> is their anyway I speeding on Kubuntu of a 1ghz/256mb ram laptop?
[05:05] <akrus> *tasty*
[05:05] <akrus> I love installing Linux
[05:06] <akrus> I may listen to online radio & talk in IM...
[05:06] <patlkli> akrus, :-P
[05:07] <akrus> jatos: installing Gnome/Xfce instead of KDE?
[05:07] <patlkli> akrus, nice, I install every 3 weeks a new test-distribution... ;-)
[05:07] <intelikey> jatos if no one answers try asking in english.
[05:07] <akrus> patlkli: I also do, but not every 3 weeks... :)
[05:09] <akrus> finally, installing Linux :) ~copying files~
[05:09] <patlkli> jatos, yes, you're English is terrible... (mine too :-P)
[05:09] <jatos> sorry, reading something on the Ubuntu page
[05:09] <akrus> oh, does someone have Linux installed on notebook?
[05:09] <jatos> actually I am English, I just type fast!
[05:10] <jatos> akrus: yes,me
[05:10] <patlkli> jatos, Dapper or Edgy?
[05:11] <jatos> patikli: I probably should have been more specific... the Xserver on Dapper runs a little slowly for my liking
[05:11] <jatos> in short, when I play OpenTTD the graphics are too slow for the game to be actually worth playing
[05:11] <patlkli> hmm... try http://www.attackr.com/speed-up-ubuntu-with-fasterdapper/
[05:12] <jatos> cheers
[05:12] <patlkli> i didn't test it, but it should work...
[05:13] <Itcharlie> file /cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed
[05:13] <intelikey> actually  "typing fast" != "uninteledgable babble"
[05:13] <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384
[05:14] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[05:14] <patlkli> hmm, bad thing
[05:14] <intelikey> trying to type faster than you actually can == ^
[05:14] <fyrmedic> k
[05:14] <patlkli> i can't type anything in Konqueror
[05:14] <Itcharlie> can you see what I typed
[05:14] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[05:14] <jatos> yes... I can be a little bad at typing too fast every now and again
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Yup?
[05:15] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:15] <Itcharlie> so what do you think
[05:15] <intelikey> jatos me too.
[05:15] <Itcharlie> or do you need more ino
[05:15] <Itcharlie> info
[05:15] <fyrmedic> How do I change the permissions on a harddrive that was originally set up in windows so that I can add/delete files and such. I tried just setting the permissions in kubuntu but it won't override the windows permissions.
[05:15] <DaSkreech> I didn't see anything I think the net connection here died
[05:16] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:16] <DaSkreech>  I asked you to send the line the next thing I see is you saying my name
[05:16] <Itcharlie> file /cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed
[05:16] <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384
[05:16] <intelikey> Itcharlie 16m ram ???   the installer wont run in that.
[05:17] <intelikey> Itcharlie installer requires 32m+ on the alternative and 192m+ on the live.
[05:18] <intelikey> i think it says 64m on the alternative but i have gotten it to work on 32    not well though
[05:18] <restwix> Hello all, does anybody know a kubuntu channel of open source projects that need some help with?
[05:19] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:19] <Itcharlie> I have 256 ram
[05:19] <Itcharlie> installed
[05:20] <intelikey> what is the   " <Itcharlie> ramdisk_size= 16384 "  from ?
[05:20] <Itcharlie> the option for installation
[05:20] <Itcharlie> on the command prompt
[05:21] <intelikey> ah.  i see.   sorry.   i wasn't keeping up with your issue.
[05:21] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:21] <Itcharlie> no problem
[05:21] <DaSkreech> restwix: #kubuntu-devel
[05:21] <Itcharlie> the problem is that when I choose an option to boot up
[05:21] <intelikey> show me what you type ?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> omgponiezlol: Ha ha :)
[05:23] <restwix> DaSkreech: Thanks
[05:23] <intelikey> Itcharlie you say you choose an option,  show me what you type in, please.
[05:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: He means any option
[05:24] <DaSkreech>  Install, oem etc
[05:24] <DaSkreech> assuming Itcharlie is a male :)
[05:24] <Itcharlie> Ilol
[05:24] <intelikey> what happens if you just hit enter.   does it still reboot ?
[05:24] <Itcharlie> I choose oem
[05:24] <Itcharlie> and text mode
[05:25] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:25] <intelikey> that sounds like a bad burn.   like the kernel maybe corrupt.
[05:25] <Itcharlie> oh ok
[05:25] <Itcharlie> so just make another copy
[05:26] <intelikey> did you say it will boot in other boxes ?
[05:26] <DaSkreech> It will
[05:26] <intelikey> hmmmm   that's an odity alright.
[05:27] <intelikey> let me thunk....
[05:28] <intelikey> Itcharlie can you boot other cd's in that box without error ?
[05:28] <intelikey> like the live cd maybe ?
[05:29] <Itcharlie> well
[05:29] <Itcharlie> i boot up other computers
[05:29] <intelikey> no i'm talking that box.    it could be something specific to that box.
[05:30] <octan> sup
[05:31] <intelikey> drive error, bios anti-virus protection, ahhh memory stick problem.... ide cable loose....  Itcharlie  making sure that other linux cd's will boot in there eliminates that kind of thing.
[05:32] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:35] <bsnider> is edgy going to get the 2.6.18 kernel?
[05:35] <intelikey> logic disk A boots in box 1 & 2 but not in box 3   test if disk B also boots in box 1 & 2 but not box 3  then conclusion box 3 has fault.  elif disk B boots in box 1 2 & 3  disk A has fault.    fi
[05:36] <intelikey> Itcharlie you had done part one of that test.   check part 2 of it   ^
[05:38] <intelikey> bsnider edgy has 2.6.17
[05:38] <Itcharlie> i am checking
[05:39] <bsnider> intelikey: does fiesty have 2.6.18?
[05:39] <Itcharlie> i am using xubuntu
[05:39] <intelikey> bsnider idk.
[05:39] <Itcharlie> still nothing
[05:39] <Itcharlie> i am going to try a live cdd
[05:39] <intelikey> Itcharlie ok.
[05:39] <Itcharlie> but I have xp installed
[05:39] <Itcharlie> and it works fine
[05:39] <DaSkreech> restwix: Found what you were looking for?
[05:40] <intelikey> different animal
[05:40] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think he means the CD works fine
[05:40] <intelikey> it still is.
[05:40] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:41] <Itcharlie> so cd should no be the problem
[05:41] <Itcharlie> should it
[05:43] <restwix> DaScreech: Not really. What I had in mind is application, project for kubuntu....
[05:44] <restwix> DaScreech: Like open office
[05:44] <intelikey> !contribute
[05:44] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[05:44] <restwix> or so
[05:46] <DaSkreech> restwix: Right you want to help out with some project?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: You mean reading hte CD should be no problem?
[05:46] <restwix> DAaSkreech: Yeah, like fix some bugs and so...
[05:47] <Itcharlie> yes
[05:47] <Itcharlie> reading the cd should not be the problem
[05:47] <restwix> DAaSkreech: But something usefull for Kubuntu
[05:47] <DaSkreech> reading the Cd and booting from the Cd are different. As I've found out
[05:47] <Itcharlie> o ok
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Itcharlie: Do you have any other live Cds?
[05:47] <Itcharlie> nope
[05:47] <Itcharlie> should I download one
[05:47] <intelikey> try knoppix
[05:48] <Itcharlie> which one would be good
[05:48] <DaSkreech> restwix: read the URL above and join #kubuntu-devel
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Both will get you on your way
[05:48] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I would think the smaller the better :)
[05:48] <intelikey> DaSkreech dsl then :)
[05:48] <Itcharlie> download dsl
[05:48] <Itcharlie> ???
[05:48] <intelikey> yep
[05:49] <intelikey> distrowatch.org   isn't it ?
[05:50] <intelikey> Itcharlie in this application dsl == damn small linux
[05:50] <Itcharlie> I know
[05:50] <icheyne> Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux are good live CDs
[05:50] <Itcharlie> ok
[05:51] <intelikey> both debian based and using knoppix techknowledgy
[05:51] <intelikey> iirc
[05:53] <intelikey> i need a new acronymn    iisc == if it's spelled correctly.
[05:53] <intelikey> :)
[05:53] <BluesKaj> new  2.6.18 kernel description:  http://kerneltrap.org/node/7144
[05:54] <BluesKaj> looks too linuxtechie.. intelikey :)
[05:55] <BluesKaj> iisc that is
[05:55] <defrysk> acronym
[05:57] <chx> i have installed ubuntu (base) with netboot & alternate cd mounted on the 'server'. now, I would like to install kubuntu-desktop and i have the ISO downloaded. please advice on how to continue
[05:57] <grwerks> Hello to all.
[05:58] <intelikey> chx sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop     is the recomended way.
[05:58] <grwerks> Somebody knows what happend with kopete server?
[05:58] <BluesKaj> who cares
[05:58] <BluesKaj> use konverstion
[05:59] <intelikey> chx if you mount the iso and copy the .deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives/   apt won't re-download files that are already there.
[05:59] <grwerks> Yes, but my other friends don have idea of irc.
[06:00] <_3nkidU`> amsn powa
[06:00] <grwerks> Ok, I have to go.
[06:00] <grwerks> Cya!!!
[06:01] <DaSkreech> chx: are you online?
[06:01] <intelikey> chx might i also mention that first enabling the security and update repos as well as universe and multiverse   then doing   sudo apt-get update       will make sure that you get any patches and or updates installed when you do the     apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:01] <chx> yes i am
[06:01] <chx> but the problem is that ISO is not on the machine...
[06:01] <DaSkreech> Ok then follow intelikey's sage advice
[06:01] <chx> i have two machines
[06:01] <chx> one has tftpd, apache , kubuntu and all
[06:02] <DaSkreech> then just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop but htat will take about an hour longer
[06:02] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:02] <chx> the other is new and being installed and has no CD and such
[06:02] <DaSkreech> no CD drive?
[06:02] <chx> and no Internet connection yet :)
[06:02] <chx> I have a local net
[06:02] <chx> and so far, ubuntu base installed nice over that
[06:03] <DaSkreech> Oh then copy the ISO
[06:03] <chx> oh
[06:03] <chx> that's an idea :)
[06:03] <chx> copy the iso, loop mount it and then...?
[06:03] <intelikey> see above ^
[06:03] <hammer> hello
[06:04] <DaSkreech> chx: Yup :)
[06:04] <DaSkreech> assuming you have ssh on the other machine
[06:04] <DaSkreech> hi
[06:04] <chx> ok ISO copied, 42Mbyte/s
[06:04] <intelikey> chx one could mount the iso and cd into it to hold it mounted.  then apt-cdrom add it's mount point.... haven't done that but it should work.
[06:04] <chx> so, I mount it but then what do i write into apt sources.list ?
[06:04] <chx> ah
[06:04] <chx> apt-cdrom add... one always learns
[06:06] <intelikey> i think the switch is -m /path/mounted/
[06:07] <intelikey> inturpret path mounted of course.  iisc
[06:07] <intelikey> maybe   iisc == it isn't spelled correctly     hehhe :)
[06:08] <BluesKaj> hehe yeah
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[06:09] <intelikey> he he   ho ho  ha ha     ja ja ja....
[06:09] <intelikey> so there
[06:09] <intelikey> :)
[06:10] <intelikey> ok gotta go for a while,  but i'll be back same time next week, same station, see you then.
[06:12] <brett> how do i find out if my machine is Linux IA32, Linux IA64, or Linux AMD64?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> uname -a
[06:13] <brett> DaSkreech: Linux brett-desktop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Fri Oct 13 18:45:35 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:13] <brett> DaSkreech: which one am i?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I could be wrong :)
[06:13] <chx> i go crazy
[06:13] <brett> but?
[06:13] <DaSkreech> i686 seems to be 32
[06:14] <brett> ok
[06:14] <brett> thanks i will try that
[06:14] <chx> apt-cdrom nicely found the cd
[06:14] <chx> added it to sources.list
[06:14] <chx> but apt-get update simply says ign cdrom:// .....
[06:14] <icheyne> brett, look in your bios
[06:15] <brett> you mean reboot?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: What?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: how does that tell him if he has 64bit Libraries installed on his hard drive?
[06:15] <MidMark> guys somene has problem mounting dvd with only one session? I've just asked, but no response :(
[06:15] <icheyne> my bios tells me what kind of processor I have
[06:15] <icheyne> I can then google it
[06:15] <DaSkreech> icheyne: Yeah but not wethere you have a 64 bit os
[06:15] <icheyne> isn't that the best approach?
[06:15] <brett> icheyne: i am installing new graphic driver.. what happens if i get it wrong? Very little right?
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[06:15] <DaSkreech> :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> I just realized the question :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Ha ha. Brett you don't know what processor you have?
[06:16] <brett> no not really
[06:16] <icheyne> I just read this "how do i find out if my machine is Linux IA32, Linux IA64, or Linux AMD64?" :o)
[06:16] <brett> ok where is that?
[06:17] <amichai> i cant send msgs from kopete i get
[06:17] <Admiral_Chicago> man IRC is always going nuts
[06:17] <amichai>  :
[06:17] <amichai>   The following message has not been sent
[06:17] <MidMark> guys somene has problem mounting dvd with only one session? I've just asked, but no response :((
[06:17] <amichai> correctly (Connection closed):
[06:17] <icheyne> wouldn't lshw show the processor type?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah it woul
[06:18] <amichai> anyone?
[06:18] <brett> icheyne: product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+
[06:18] <brett> icheyne: width: 32 bits
[06:19] <DaSkreech> there you go 32 bits
[06:19] <BluesKaj> BBL
[06:19] <brett> DaSkreech: so you were right the first time?
[06:19] <icheyne> brett, looks like you need a 32 bit version of Linux
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Amichai: which protocol?
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Yep
[06:20] <brett> DaSkreech: you said yep to my question right?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Yes
[06:20] <brett> cool
[06:20] <DaSkreech> If you are doing an apt-get it will auto choose the right one anyway
[06:21] <brett> ERROR: this .run file is intended for the
[06:21] <brett> Linux-x86_64 platform, but you appear to be
[06:21] <brett> running on Linux-x86.  Aborting installation.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> It's right :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech> !nvidia
[06:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:22] <brett> how do i do apt get for the nvidia open gl drivers?
[06:22] <brett> i am attempting to run a 3d game
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Read that link
[06:23] <oslo> how repair ALL par2 in a folder ?
[06:24] <brett> ok...doing that now
[06:25] <oslo> par2 r *z.par2 repairs only one file wich ends by ...z.par2; but a "rar e *z.rar" extracts ALL files which end by ...z.rar .... i'd like to use par2 like unrar ...
[06:26] <chx> please help isntalling, this is maddenning i have the installer cd in mounted in /mnt and apt-get update just ignores it
[06:26] <octan> any iptables dudas in here? i need some help with a rule
[06:27] <octan> whats wrong with this rule
[06:27] <renin> Hello!
[06:27] <octan> /sbin/iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --cmd-owner ktorrent -j LOG --log-level DEBUG --log-prefix "OUTPUT pack died: "
[06:27] <octan> i get
[06:27] <octan> iptables: Invalid argument
[06:28] <renin> I have trouble mounting my SATA Drives in Kubuntu, though the BIOS reads it and I can get into windows XP, can anyone help?
[06:28] <bastid> how do i get mp3s and video files to play
[06:28] <bastid> keeps telling me i dont have the decoders
[06:29] <bastid> so i used synaptic to 'install' them
[06:29] <bastid> but it hasnt worked
[06:29] <DaSkreech> !mp3
[06:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:29] <MidMark> DaSkreech: is it known the dvd mounting issue?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Not that I've heard of
[06:30] <MidMark> do you have a dvd-rw?
[06:30] <MidMark> just for a try
[06:30] <bastid> so i have to convert my mp3s?
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  I heard of some issues with Commericial DVDS after an upgrde but not burnt ones
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  Nope
[06:30] <DaSkreech>  Don't even have a DVD drive
[06:30] <DaSkreech> bastid: no
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Read the top link
[06:30] <MidMark> DaSkreech: I'm getting crazy because with dvd with one session but not closed (the disc) cannot mount
[06:31] <MidMark> if I add another session all is ok!
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Whats the error?
[06:31] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/14692
[06:31] <MidMark> see my last comments
[06:31] <Itcharlie> hi all
[06:31] <Itcharlie> DaSkreech
[06:31] <Itcharlie> puppy linux is not working for me
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Yes?
[06:32] <Itcharlie> it boots up
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Wait
[06:32] <Itcharlie> untill I hit the enter for default boot up
[06:32] <DaSkreech> it boots up or it's not working?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Ah Ok
[06:32] <DaSkreech>  the machine has an issue then
[06:32] <renin> Is anyone available to help me with a Mounting problem? Kubuntu doesn't seem to read my SATA drives but the BIOS does.
[06:32] <DaSkreech> !sata
[06:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sata - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <MidMark> DaSkreech: Martin said that need a login to the machine affected by the problem, bu I cannot contact him, sent an email, no response
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Damn :-(
[06:33] <MidMark> renin: which version? Edgy?
[06:33] <DaSkreech> renin: If you like you could also ask in #ubuntu the fix should be the same
[06:33] <MidMark> DaSkreech: is there something I can do in your opinion?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> not sure has pitti responded to you?
[06:35] <MidMark> nope :(
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Well hang around a bit. I take it you hve checked the forums already?
[06:35] <hammer> Hi there!
[06:35] <hammer> !irda
[06:35] <MidMark> I have checked all the page that have knownbugs nothing, I've only found that bug where I added all infos, but nothing....
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irda - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <hammer> ping
[06:36] <DaSkreech> MidMark: Well #ubuntu-devel is also a good place to feel this problem out. They would have at least some record there
[06:37] <DaSkreech> pong
[06:37] <MidMark> DaSkreech: done, but nothing for now... thx anyway
[06:37] <hammer> who knows anything about irda?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Did you get the hal build depend?
[06:38] <MidMark> DaSkreech: sorry?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> he asked for a Ssh login and you said you mailed him?
[06:38] <MidMark> yes
[06:38] <DaSkreech> did you set up the account as he asked?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> With cdrom group membership and the hal build dependencies ?
[06:39] <MidMark> what does it mean hal build dep?
[06:40] <bastid> and how would i install a 'video' driver.. when i try and scroll a webpage its all laggy like it installed a bad driver or not the right one
[06:40] <bastid> i have an ati x1300 agp
[06:41] <DaSkreech> MidMark: I would assume apt-get install hal-deve
[06:42] <MidMark> anyway I have mailed him to have a date for the login, because I'm not always online
[06:42] <DaSkreech> MidMark: libhal-dev sorry
[06:42] <MidMark> no response
[06:42] <DaSkreech> sure. Might take a little while :)
[06:43] <MidMark> DaSkreech: I love kubuntu, but there are too many regressions, it isn't possible to have this bug now that I don't have in Dapper...
[06:44] <DaSkreech> You burn a lot of DVDs?
[06:45] <MidMark> DaSkreech: yes and I have a lot of dvd-rw, but it also affects dvd-r
[06:45] <MidMark> they are all blank until I close them or add another session :(
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Two optical drives?
[06:46] <MidMark> I have only one drive, but in Windows the same dvd burned in linux are perfectly readable
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Yes I know it's a Linux problem :) but the fix is still forthcoming
[06:47] <DaSkreech> if you had two drives i would say use a Dapper live CD
[06:47] <brett> !ati
[06:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:47] <yahalom> my kopete wont send messages on the msn protcol. help plz.
[06:47] <DaSkreech> yahalom: join #kopete
[06:47] <brett> !help
[06:47] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:48] <yahalom> #kopete
[06:48] <yahalom> ok thanxc
[06:49] <MidMark> DaSkreech: thanx for your interest, hope to be contacted by Martin
[06:50] <MidMark> DaSkreech: thought also to backport my self hal, but I think can be a little risky :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Frontport hal? :-)
[06:51] <MidMark> :).... :(.... ;(
[06:53] <DaSkreech> X(
[06:53] <d0m1n8r> Question: there is no /dev/dsp on this distro. So how you make Teamspeak work?
[06:55] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: maybe try with /dev/dsp0 ?
[06:55] <d0m1n8r> no dsp* in dev
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> never mind.. there is a dsp there
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> think I mistyped before =
[06:56] <d0m1n8r> but now im more confused cuz not working =,(
[06:58] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: have you tried with /dev/dsp0 or 1? i am not sure which one
[06:58] <snpz> !xgl
[06:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:59] <d0m1n8r> nope trying now
[07:00] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: maybe try as root
[07:00] <narvik86> to run teamspeak
[07:00] <Martijn81> anyone knows a source for a LAME 3.97   September 24 2006 deb?
[07:00] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: will try =\
[07:02] <radius> quick question, xorg.conf seems to be configured properly for 1680x1050 but when i start up my session the screen looks bloated stretched - trying to fix it is not working - if i edit xorg.conf - it resorts back to old config - any help would be appreciated
[07:02] <radius> thanks
[07:03] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: Still nothing
[07:04] <d0m1n8r> I see something on the forums about alsa-wrapper but dont see it listed in package manager at all
[07:04] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: this teamspek is big(mbytes)? maybe i can download it and try if its not big
[07:05] <icheyne> Martijn81, http://rarewares.org/debian.html
[07:05] <icheyne> maybe?
[07:05] <d0m1n8r> fairly small..
[07:05] <narvik86> i will try
[07:06] <d0m1n8r> Thanks.. I can hear my self on speakers but teamspeak is just not picking up the mic for some reason
[07:06] <rahmetli> where is newsticker conf files or how can i backup my newsticker configuration?
[07:07] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: i am downloading ts
[07:07] <Search4Lancer> here's an annoyance: before the upgrade, when I would click on a link, whether it be from here in Konversation, or in an email in Thunderbird, it would open in Firefox in the background. Now, after the upgrade, when I click on a link, it brings the Firefox window to the front - how do I stop that?
[07:07] <Martijn81> thanks icheyne, site is dead though
[07:08] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: Looks like its 7MB big. maybe a bit much for 56K
[07:09] <yahalom> where can i change the kdm theme from?
[07:09] <n0va> Hi all, everytime I do an apt-get I get this "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" any ideas?
[07:10] <uwe2> hi zusammen
[07:11] <DaSkreech> KDE theme manager
[07:11] <DaSkreech> yahalom: ^^^
[07:11] <d0m1n8r> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22120
[07:12] <rahmetli> where is newsticker conf files or how can i backup my newsticker configuration?
[07:13] <TheMole> Hi, sound keeps breaking on my edgy box. When i try to play something with xmms it will play fine then just randomly it will say "failed to initialise ALSA mixer"
[07:13] <TheMole> Anybody have any ideas?
[07:13] <yahalom> d0m1n8r: thanx
[07:18] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: few seconds left
[07:20] <slow-motion> bye
[07:21] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: any luck?
[07:22] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: same as you, i can hear myself on speakers, but when try to record and listen to that is silence
[07:22] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: i can't even use skype :/
[07:26] <ubuntu__> how do i add dvdrom repository to adept
[07:26] <narvik86> d0m1n8r: skype works
[07:27] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: =\
[07:28] <d0m1n8r> narvik86: link for teamspeak site? goteamspeak.com
[07:29] <d0m1n8r> ubuntu__: you mean how to select the DVD Rom to install a package or how to install a DVD codec?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: apt-cdrom
[07:30] <DaSkreech> d0m1n8r: Thanks :)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> hi tackat
[07:34] <tackat> hi DaSkreech
[07:35] <tackat> DaSkreech: Had to take care of the LinuxWorldExpo KDE booth recently
[07:42] <DaSkreech>  How'd that turn out tackat?
[07:45] <tackat> DaSkreech: well
[07:46] <JacquelineG> i have an intel pentium d 2.8g what version of kubuntu do i want?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> LinuxWorld hasn't gone yet?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> JacquelineG,  Dapper is the Long term support version.. edgy is the latest/greatest..   you decide. :)
[07:47] <Dr_willis> id go with Edgy 6.10 version
[07:48] <JacquelineG> dr willis, im speaking of 64 bit and whatnot
[07:48] <Dr_willis> 64bit is not worth screwing with.
[07:48] <Dr_willis> unless you really have a need for the benifits you get.
[07:48] <JacquelineG> whats wrong with it?
[07:48] <Dr_willis> and want to deal with the other issues.
[07:49] <DaSkreech> JacquelineG: In short non open source drivers
[07:49] <Dr_willis> lots of annoyances/issues/quirks.. and i gained nothing from using it.. so i never use 64bit any more on any of my machines.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> perhaps in a year or so i may try again.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> work time for me.. bbl.
[07:49] <JacquelineG> i wasnt aware 64 bit distros were still so far behind
[07:50] <JacquelineG> i thought they were pretty solid in the linux world
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Oh they are mstly ok as long as you can get the source code
[07:50] <DaSkreech> once you need say Flash or a Driver for your video card you are pretty much spiralling the drain
[07:54] <yahalom> i installed kdmtheme but  i cant find it, where is it meant to be
[07:54] <yahalom> ?
[07:54] <BluesKaj> I switched from the 64bit dapper to 32/ x86 cuz a lot of programs and some of my hardware didn't work on the 64 bit version
[07:55] <bluepyth> hello
[07:55] <bluepyth> I'm a new user of kubuntu Edgy Eft, and I've got a question ...
[07:56] <bluepyth> where can I find packages of blender ?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> yahalom: It should be in System Settings
[07:57] <DaSkreech> !blender
[07:57] <ubotu> blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[07:57] <bluepyth> thx ubotu
[07:57] <bluepyth> ^^
[07:57] <DaSkreech> heehee
[07:58] <BluesKaj> bots get thx too :)
[07:58] <bluepyth> lol
[07:58] <bluepyth> I didn't get that it's a bot... :$
[07:58] <kjelderg> this probably seems like a silly question, but how do I disable the screensaver?
[07:59] <voicu> yeah, it's very human like... totally creepy, it might become conscious someday :D
[08:00] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[08:00] <bluepyth> lol voicu ^^
[08:00] <ubotu> Yum!
[08:00] <DaSkreech> AI training ;-)
[08:00] <kjelderg> !screensaver
[08:00] <bluepyth> ^^
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screensaver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <kjelderg> ubotu: you and me both
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you and me both - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <bluepyth> kjelderg: just have to go into system settings from the "start menu"
[08:01] <DaSkreech> kjelderg: Under System settings -> Desktop -> Screen Saver
[08:01] <DaSkreech> !es
[08:01] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:01] <bluepyth> and...
[08:02] <DaSkreech> !es | AzvLiTo
[08:02] <ubotu> AzvLiTo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:02] <bluepyth> just do what DaSkreech said...
[08:02] <bluepyth> ^^
[08:02] <kjelderg> I went to the screen saver page in kcontrol and it says that it shouldn't be autostarting after some timeout
[08:02] <kjelderg> but it is starting
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Un check start automatically
[08:02] <smaggard> chello
[08:02] <AzvLiTo> DaSkreech:  ok .. gracias
[08:03] <bluepyth> thx for the help ubotu ^^ and thx to the others (the real ones :p)
[08:04] <bluepyth> bye all (I'm gonna eat, it's about 8 oclock in France ^^)
[08:04] <kjelderg> DaSkreech: it is unchecked
[08:04] <firebird619> In adept, when I select a package and request install, what does it mean when it says BREAK (install), and how can I fix that issue?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> firebird619: it means Bad Things (tm) will happen
[08:05] <kjelderg> firebird619: iirc, it means that the package conflicts with a currently installed package
[08:05] <DaSkreech> normally it's some misconfiguration
[08:06] <firebird619> Ok, Thank You.
[08:06] <___osh__> Has the screensaver-issue been fixed in edgy?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> firebird619: Look in details to see what is breaking
[08:07] <___osh__> Screensaver-issue = no screensaver except the one with the X-logo in kde.
[08:08] <kjelderg> hmm...different screensaver issue than mine :(  I'm having the "screensaver shows up even though it is disabled in kcontrol" issue
[08:08] <sdlnxgk> how do you get adept notifier to start  working again??
[08:08] <rahmetli> i cant find power management settings under system settings?
[08:09] <firebird619> DaSkreech: It doesn't specify what is breaking. I had Beryl installed, which I uninstalled and I now want to install Compiz. Compiz is what says BREAK (install).
[08:09] <rahmetli> i cant find power management settings under system settings?
[08:09] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli they should be under monitor settings in system settings
[08:09] <DaSkreech> firebird619: Ha ha :) ok try asking in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:10] <sdlnxgk> err display settings that is
[08:10] <firebird619> DaSkreech: Ok, Thank You.
[08:11] <fugitivo> hello
[08:11] <findme> hello all
[08:11] <DaSkreech> all isn't in right now. Can I take a message?
[08:12] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have a loptop,i want to configure laptops power man. not the monitor.
[08:13] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli the power settings are under display settings in system settings
[08:13] <sdlnxgk> if you don't seeit there check for laptop power and settings icon
[08:14] <sdlnxgk> I know I have it and i'm not on my laptop at the moment
[08:15] <fugitivo> no firefox package for kubuntu?
[08:15] <rahmetli> i not looking for "power saving",i am looking for low battery level notification settings etc...
[08:15] <___osh__> kjelderg: the answer would be "no" then. Since we both have some problems with it... =)
[08:16] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli there  should be a separate icon in system settings for this called laptops & power
[08:16] <fugitivo> rahmetli: mine was detected at installation and is working fine
[08:16] <kjelderg> ___osh__: but it's possible (likely) that these are 2 different issues
[08:17] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont have an icon "laptops & power" and i was looking for that actually.
[08:17] <rahmetli> so how can i add that ?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:18] <trappist> fugitivo: of course there is
[08:18] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli no sure how to add should have  been dectected  when installed
[08:18] <rahmetli> i had a standard intallation,i have an asus laptop.
[08:18] <fugitivo> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:19] <fugitivo> apt-cache search only shows this
[08:19] <fugitivo> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb - Mozilla Firefox English language/region package
[08:20] <rahmetli> i had dapper before i didnt have this kind of problem,i have downloaded and installed edgy so the situation is this.
[08:20] <trappist> fugitivo: dapper?  edgy?  what repos do you have configured?  the package is in main
[08:20] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <DaSkreech> trappist: I'm guessing he hasn't done an update yet
[08:20] <fugitivo> no idea, it's a fresh install :)
[08:20] <trappist> ah
[08:20] <DaSkreech> yup :)
[08:20] <fugitivo> i'll try apt-get update
[08:20] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: or reload in adept
[08:20] <fugitivo> it's edgy
[08:21] <derekS> is the a reason that in dapper, amarok requires gtk?
[08:22] <fugitivo> i'm a gentoo user looking for easy stuff for my desktop
[08:22] <Tm_T> derekS: gtkpod, ipod support.
[08:22] <derekS> yuck
[08:22] <dom> are we supposed to be using aptitude instead of apt-get?  I just ran across this page about them: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude
[08:23] <fugitivo> this Add/Remove programs thing return this error to me:
[08:23] <fugitivo> Su returned with an error
[08:24] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli have you did all the updates??
[08:24] <derekS> alright, well thanks for your help
[08:24] <rahmetli> i have formatted hd partition and installed the new edgy.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: close add remove
[08:24] <T3hWiz0rd> rawwr
[08:24] <T3hWiz0rd> !kde
[08:24] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[08:25] <fugitivo> any easy way to install ATI drivers for opengl?
[08:25] <trappist> !ati | fugitivo
[08:25] <DaSkreech> fugitivo: Alt+space and type adept
[08:25] <ubotu> fugitivo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:25] <fugitivo> thanks
[08:26] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have formatted hd partition and installed the new edgy from the CD
[08:27] <fugitivo> cool, this is easy & fast :)
[08:30] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli do you have an advanced tap in system settings???
[08:31] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:  yes i have
[08:31] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli nothing about laptop power?
[08:32] <rahmetli> and yes, nothing about laptop power :(
[08:32] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: and yes, nothing about laptop power :(
[08:32] <petter_> hey everyone
[08:33] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli that is wierd reading about it now and kubuntu says it's a new power management system so should be installed
[08:33] <sdlnxgk> Hey petter_
[08:33] <petter_> hey
[08:34] <petter_> what is going on?
[08:34] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ??? for you if you run the live cdrom do you get a power option then???
[08:34] <sdlnxgk> nothing much here just laptop power settings issues
[08:34] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: what kind of power option?
[08:35] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: there was a battery icon in the system tray
[08:35] <shnee> can any point me to a guide of help getting apollon and gift to work.....i ran gift-setup and forwarded all the ports but it wont connect to OpenFT or Guntella
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli can you click on it?? and get some kind of properties box up??
[08:35] <sdlnxgk> i'm  booting up live cdrom on laptop now
[08:36] <kjelderg> shnee: it'd probably help to just look at giftd.  It's likely not related to apollon at all
[08:36] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i am checking.
[08:36] <kjelderg> giftd can be a pain to get working just right
[08:37] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i will reboot the system and come back...
[08:37] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ok i'll be here
[08:38] <shnee> kjelderg, i ran giftd -v buy i didnt see anything that helps....the only thing i noticed is that it said "no host to try looking in gwebcaches"
[08:39] <rtj__> hello all
[08:40] <kjelderg> shnee: well, you'll have to find yourself a hostlist to get caches for searching the p2p, then
[08:45] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli found the  package
[08:45] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have a battery icon in the sys try now
[08:45] <sdlnxgk> check your adept manager for kmenuedit and klaptopdaemon
[08:45] <fugitivo> damn, it didn't work
[08:45] <fugitivo> !ati
[08:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli cool if  you click on it should give you some  options then
[08:46] <rahmetli> 3 options very limited
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> hmmmm wierd
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> I have laptop & power in system settings
[08:47] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: suspen hibernate restore
[08:47] <sdlnxgk> then I  choose  laptop power
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: yes i understand what you mean
[08:48] <windshear> anyone knows if there is a good tutorial on how to install (k)ubuntu from an usb stick (on any machine with same architecture)
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: but i dont have it in my settings
[08:48] <sdlnxgk> I have battery, power control, low  battery  warning, low battery critical, button actions and ACPI config
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: all i want
[08:48] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli check and see  if you have those packages
[08:48] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:  :9
[08:48] <rahmetli> :)
[08:49] <rahmetli> i have installed those
[08:49] <sdlnxgk> what about right click on battery in system tray and choose  configure klaptop???
[08:50] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i am confused
[08:51] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: before i ask here,i have installed kpowersave
[08:51] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli on the bottom right system  tray klaptop is the app that shows battery power left
[08:52] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have 2 app icons related to power management; "kpowersave" and "power manager"
[08:52] <sdlnxgk> hmmm should be klaptop
[08:52] <sdlnxgk> it might think your using a pc instead  of a laptop
[08:53] <sdlnxgk> if  I right click on the battery power  it lets me configure klaptop
[08:54] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: my dapper crashed after the upgrade,i have installed the edgy,edgy doesnt seem to be robust to me
[08:55] <easyrider1> hello all
[08:55] <pat_> hey
[08:55] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli I don't  have edgy installed yet, still waiting a while...  check for package laptop-detect ???
[08:55] <easyrider1> Having some major problems installing things
[08:56] <easyrider1> First of all, is there an alternative to adept? because adept sucks
[08:56] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont want to take your time.
[08:56] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: already installed.
[08:57] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli have nothing but time ;)
[08:57] <klerfayt> easyrider1: there is one, but it is gtk application
[08:57] <easyrider1> gtk?
[08:58] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli never had any problems with dapper  drake that why i'm still with it ;)
[08:58] <easyrider1> well I'm brand new so I'm not yet married to adept
[08:58] <easyrider1> dapper drake?
[08:58] <klerfayt> easyrider1: synaptic
[08:58] <easyrider1> synaptic?
[08:58] <easyrider1> where can i get it?
[08:58] <easyrider1> or do i already have it?
[08:58] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: what about upgrading?
[08:59] <klerfayt> easyrider1: if you hate adept so much then open konsole and type:   sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> !upgrading edgy
[08:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrading edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:59] <easyrider1> Thats my problem, whenever i upgrade, its successful 20% or the time
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> !edgy
[08:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (codenamed Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. To upgrade to Edgy, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - To download Edgy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[08:59] <easyrider1> it says command not found
[08:59] <sdlnxgk> that is my knowledge on edgy sorry :(
[08:59] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i have lost all the conf's and programs installed after upgrade
[09:00] <easyrider1> opps
[09:00] <klerfayt> easyrider1: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:00] <dgiulian> #lugna
[09:00] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli that is wierd everthing should still be there  unless you did a clean install
[09:00] <easyrider1> uh oh, it says i need to run dpkg
[09:01] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk:(i couldnt make system up again) i decided to download and install edgy
[09:01] <dgiulian> hi everyone
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli maybe there is a way to go back but i'm not sure how you would do this
[09:01] <klerfayt> easyrider1: do you have adept running?
[09:01] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: "waste of CD edgy" my new slogan...
[09:01] <dgiulian> where can i found firefox2 repository?
[09:01] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli ahhhh ya fresh install wipes everything
[09:02] <easyrider1> ok done, but I really screwed things up when i tried to install java
[09:02] <ypsila> mon together
[09:02] <thrawn_> :)
[09:02] <easyrider1> its hanging up on a java applications all the time
[09:03] <ypsila> gna java
[09:03] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: after upgrade there were 3 couple of kernels in the grup menu
[09:03] <ypsila> easyrider1:  which java do you run?
[09:03] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: dapper was better 4 me.
[09:03] <easyrider1> Originally i installed the blackdown
[09:04] <easyrider1> then Adept prompted me to upgrade to sun jre5
[09:04] <easyrider1> I also run AMD64
[09:04] <ypsila> easyrider1: .oO sometimes java5 is running fine, sometimes it crashes a lot of things
[09:04] <trappist> easyrider1: I just run java from a 32bit chroot (since the browser plugin doesn't work in 64bit anyway)
[09:04] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli I haven't tried edgy yet but i'm so happy with dapper i'm  sticking with it
[09:04] <fred__> hey, does anyone know how to access the partition settings in Kubuntu?
[09:05] <fred__> or can that only be done when setting up
[09:05] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: stay with it!
[09:05] <easyrider1> yeah i downloaded the 64 bit version
[09:05] <sdlnxgk> easyrider1 try to remove or or reinstall java in adept
[09:05] <justin1278> hello
[09:05] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, java is one of quite a few programs that don't render correctly in 64 bit kubuntu
[09:05] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: i dont want to return to opensuse, i like kubuntu
[09:05] <easyrider1> remove all of it?
[09:06] <justin1278> I am having issues setting beryl to startup with my system
[09:06] <justin1278> can somebody help me?
[09:06] <sdlnxgk> ypsila  you got that right !!!!  my mp3 player works with usb support off the bat ;)
[09:06] <justin1278> I am using Kubuntu 6.10
[09:06] <section58> anyone know how to get credtals automaticly allowed cause its on ad ?
[09:06] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, i did and installed the 32bit version on my AMD64 box and it runs great
[09:07] <BluesKaj> removed 64 that is
[09:07] <easyrider1> here we go again with this shit again, why the hell can't adept shut itself down all of the way?
[09:07] <BluesKaj> broken pkges ?
[09:07] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: I upgraded to edgy and I'm definetly thinking about downgrading, what I never ever did in my life before
[09:08] <easyrider1> broken packages
[09:08] <easyrider1> so how do i delete them?
[09:09] <easyrider1> It started working this way when adept wanted to upgrade java (from the original
[09:09] <sdlnxgk> rpsila I have never been one for bleeding edge technology for that reason.. i'm more of if it works for me i'm staying put ;)
[09:10] <sdlnxgk> rahmetli hope you get things worked out if not just reinstall  dapper ;)
[09:10] <sdlnxgk> ok Kubuntu land it's time for nap before going to the movies ;)
[09:10] <rahmetli> sdlnxgk: the bad thing is my connection is very slow and i have lost the dapper cd :(
[09:10] <ypsila> sdlnxgk: I even waited for the release but..............
[09:11] <ypsila> rahmetli: uhuh, that is really bad
[09:11] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, click on adept in the top left ...there should be a list with "fix broken packages"
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: u
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: will you downgrade?
[09:12] <rahmetli> ypsila: :)
[09:13] <easyrider1> i'm looking in the left and its not saying fix broken packages
[09:15] <zokeber> hello
[09:15] <ypsila> rahmetli: not really at the moment, I was originally searching for an idiot-proof OS, and edgy did not hit it
[09:16] <rahmetli> ypsila: :)) you r getting closer to the target ;)
[09:17] <BluesKaj> ypsila, looking for idiot proof ...ain't no such animal
[09:18] <rahmetli> try bb command and enjoy :) i like it.
[09:18] <ypsila> BluesKaj:  I would like to get rid of some "daus" by installing an adminstrated kubuntu
[09:20] <BluesKaj> daus ?
[09:23] <rahmetli> firefox runs away in edgy? do we have any sol'n?
[09:23] <Kiryn> why when i do sudo apt-get install monodevelop it says its not in there :S
[09:24] <ypsila> BluesKaj: I don't know the english expression, ppl that do use computers without knowing nothing, hardly finding a button eg
[09:25] <_vge> "where's the anykey"
[09:25] <rahmetli> _vge: :)
[09:25] <easyrider1> Ok,  I finally did it
[09:25] <BluesKaj> ypsila, "newbie"
[09:26] <easyrider1> The most pain in the ass job of installing java is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
[09:26] <easyrider1> ok
[09:26] <easyrider1> now, I need to install lots of hardware drivers
[09:26] <rahmetli> easyrider1: well done.what is your next mission?
[09:26] <rahmetli> :)))
[09:27] <easyrider1> For example, there is a driver for my printer, but its only or red hat
[09:27] <BluesKaj> we have to live with java... it's a pita but ...
[09:27] <easyrider1> yeah
[09:27] <easyrider1> and javas graphics aren't exactly knock out
[09:28] <easyrider1> But i'd better stop slamming java or it'll quit working on me
[09:28] <rahmetli> easyrider1: go and get your coffee :P i wouldnt be bad after a java installation :)
[09:29] <Kiryn> java sucks anyways ;)
[09:29] <rahmetli> easyrider1: go and get your coffee :P it wouldnt be bad after a java installation :)
[09:29] <easyrider1> yeah
[09:29] <easyrider1> ty
[09:29] <easyrider1> Hey, just out of curiousity, does anyone in the room have a philips VOIP 321 phone?
[09:30] <easyrider1> This thing is wonderful, it works skype through my computer and works a regular phone, but......I can only find a windows driver :-[
[09:31] <ypsila> BluesKaj:  no not neewbies, that kind of ppl who always buy the newest, best and most expensive without a simple idea who and why it works
[09:31] <thingy> ypsila: yuppies!
[09:32] <easyrider1> by the way, thanks for all your help with java, and adept.  Perhaps its the java installation that made adept malfunction
[09:32] <ypsila> no
[09:33] <Ayabara> is there a way to hide the ~ backup files from view in kubuntu / konqueror?
[09:33] <ypsila> DAU = german and means the most stupid user you can imagine
[09:33] <BluesKaj> ypsila, "first on the block syndrome"  :)
[09:33] <easyrider1> DAU
[09:33] <easyrider1> What is the abbreviation for ypsila?
[09:34] <BluesKaj> dumpkopf
[09:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[09:34] <Search4Lancer> here's an annoyance: before the upgrade, when I would click on a link, whether it be from here in Konversation, or in an email in Thunderbird, it would open in Firefox in the background. Now, after the upgrade, when I click on a link, it brings the Firefox window to the front - how do I stop that?
[09:35] <easyrider1> oh see
[09:35] <BluesKaj> we call them "clueless early adopters"
[09:35] <LjL> we do?
[09:35] <easyrider1> that would be me, I mean i just installed linux saturday
[09:36] <rahmetli> I HATE EDGY.
[09:36] <BluesKaj> we in the audio game do
[09:36] <easyrider1> Its not that i have anything huge against windows, its just, with linux, I feel i get to really learn computing
[09:36] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, welcome ! :)
[09:36] <easyrider1> thank you
[09:37] <easyrider1> I always hear the Computer science majors raving about linux, so i had to see for myself
[09:37] <BluesKaj> I still use windows for some DVD stuff I can't do in edgy , but I almost have that problem solved too.
[09:37] <easyrider1> yeah,
[09:37] <easyrider1> There's a few things
[09:38] <icheyne> BluesKaj, what sort of dvd stuff?
[09:38] <easyrider1> For example, that phone i mentioned is (i think) only liscensed to mac or windows
[09:39] <BluesKaj> this a for the most part a very hepful community
[09:39] <BluesKaj> icheyne, avi file conversion and some divx that wouldn't work with devede24 or k3b
[09:39] <basse> hi, i just installed Kubuntu for my son's computer, and works quite nicely.. except nvidia drivers. i installed the nvidia-glx and kernel-common packages, but X complains about version mismatch. could someone give me a little hand here?
[09:40] <fmeissner> how do you set write permissions?
[09:40] <icheyne> BluesKaj, yes avi file conversion has been winding me up too
[09:40] <ypsila> easyrider1: there is no abbreviation for ypsila
[09:41] <icheyne> BluesKaj, I tried tovid, but it's not giving me consistent results, which wastes too much time
[09:41] <DaSkreech> basse: Hi
[09:41] <fmeissner> how do I set write permissions in Kubuntu?
[09:41] <fmeissner> like for hard drives
[09:41] <rahmetli> rebooting :) may change something :) edgy looks like windoze :P
[09:41] <LjL> !permissions
[09:41] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[09:42] <BluesKaj> agreed icheyne, I dropped tovid as well due to it's 50% failure rate
[09:42] <basse> DaSkreech: hi.. any idea on the driver thing? ;)
[09:42] <fyrmedic> I have a drive that is formatted with NTFS that was part of my windows installation originally. There are no system files, it is purely storage, but I can't set the permissions to allow me to add/delete files in kubuntu. Any ideas on how to overcome windows permissions?
[09:42] <BluesKaj> basse, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <icheyne> BluesKaj, the annoying thing was that it did not recover from failures at all
[09:43] <BluesKaj> I've found devede24 quite good tho
[09:43] <Kiryn> i forgot how to open a file thats under root without doing sudo nano -w etc....
[09:43] <Ayabara> anyone know? is there a way to make ubuntu hide the ~ backup files from view?
[09:43] <icheyne> devede24 hmm. I'll check it out thx
[09:43] <BluesKaj> nonfree repos , icheyne
[09:43] <icheyne> BluesKaj, thanks :)
[09:45] <easyrider1> I was wondering, is it possible for MS office to read OS office?  I know that MS office can read os office
[09:45] <basse> ooh, i think i know what it is.. this could be legacy card :)
[09:46] <basse> it's old machine.. heh.. i followed the wiki page for nvidia instructions, and ofcourse they assume i have the latest and greatest..
[09:46] <BluesKaj> easyrider1, it's supposed to be back and forth readable afaik
[09:47] <BluesKaj> ok basse , do you still have windows on the HDD ?
[09:47] <easyrider1> ok good
[09:48] <easyrider1> the reason I ask is, supposing that I use OS office, and I go to my school's computer labs,,which runs windows
[09:48] <easyrider1> you see my concern
[09:48] <basse> BluesKaj: windows? hmm, no. i never had that.
[09:48] <DaSkreech> !nvidia > basse
[09:48] <BluesKaj> basse, any idea what the card model is ?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> !NTFS | fyrmedic
[09:49] <ubotu> fyrmedic: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[09:49] <basse> BluesKaj: i have to double check that..
[09:50] <BluesKaj> there are legacy drivers cuz a lot of ppl put kubuntu on older pcs cuz it runs so nicely on them
[09:50] <basse> thing is, no legacy package seems to be on apt
[09:50] <BluesKaj> I installed it on a 233mhz MMX 9yr old pc
[09:51] <BluesKaj> the nvidia driver site should have it
[09:51] <easyrider1> Blueskaj, is that a pentium II?
[09:51] <fyrmedic> !fuse
[09:51] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[09:52] <BluesKaj> it's pre p2
[09:52] <easyrider1> really?
[09:52] <easyrider1> wow
[09:52] <easyrider1> My dad has an old pentium II gateway
[09:52] <BluesKaj> an AT case and PSU
[09:52] <basse> BluesKaj: yes, i'm used to run debian.. so i might just do this the old fashion way and forget these apt packages :)
[09:52] <basse> i just thought it would be easy way to go
[09:52] <easyrider1> Also a new expensive Dell
[09:53] <easyrider1> But I have no idea what he'll do with the gateway
[09:53] <BluesKaj> well kubuntu / debian are clos cousins :)
[09:53] <BluesKaj> close
[09:53] <fyrmedic> DaSkreech: Thanks but I have them mounted and I can access the files.I just can't overcome ownership permissions.
[09:53] <easyrider1> I told him that if he used Linux, it would actually make that old machine worth a little more
[09:54] <easyrider1> I mean I like Kubuntu because my machine runs  lightning fast
[09:54] <BluesKaj> absolutely , kubuntu will run well if he chooses to run the lite version without much eyte candy
[09:54] <BluesKaj> eye candy
[09:54] <easyrider1> oh good
[09:55] <patlkli> re
[09:55] <DaSkreech> fyrmedic: look into ntfs3g
[09:55] <DaSkreech> easyrider1: You'd be right
[09:55] <fyrmedic> DaSkreech: ok I'll do that thanx
[09:55] <easyrider1> so just tone down the graphics a bit and, presto, turn a machine thats barely running into a good machine
[09:55] <BluesKaj> exactly
[09:55] <Kiryn> how do i release a lock on apt-get?
[09:56] <easyrider1> That machine was "upgraded" to windows 98, and by upgraded I really mean downgraded
[09:56] <Kiryn> ?
[09:56] <BluesKaj> Kiryn, shut down adept or synaptic if you still have one of them  open
[09:56] <Kiryn> im doing it through konsole
[09:56] <Kiryn> im new to linux
[09:57] <Kiryn> so i don't know how to shut down
[09:57] <BluesKaj> yes but do you have adept or synaptic open ....apt-get won't work
[09:57] <easyrider1> Is there a good book on all of the Konsole controls?  I would like to learn them
[09:57] <Kiryn> no i don't have them open
[09:58] <Kiryn> Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:58] <BluesKaj> !konsole
[09:58] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[09:58] <Kiryn> Unable to lock the list directory
[09:58] <BluesKaj> !commands
[09:58] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:59] <easyrider1> thanks for the info on commands
[09:59] <easyrider1> I'm starting a running list of useful commands
[10:00] <icheyne> Kiryn, are you using sudo apt-get install whatever?
[10:00] <Kiryn> sudo apt-get update
[10:00] <icheyne> tried a reboot?
[10:00] <Kiryn> i couldn't connect to a server so i closed the shell
[10:00] <Kiryn> about to right now
[10:01] <easyrider1> Is sudo apt-get update the same thing as if adept updates?
[10:04] <pete> easyrider1: Yes. aptitude/apt-get are just console equivelents to Adept/Synaptic. They do exactly the same thing.
[10:04] <pete> Adept just takes longer, since you have to wait for the whole GUI. By typing it, you save a lot of time.
[10:06] <FabioNET> pete adept/synaptic/aptitude/d-select all use dipendence dpkg ;-)
[10:06] <pete> meh
[10:06] <FabioNET> sorry my NEG
[10:07] <FabioNET> sorry my ENG
[10:07] <easyrider1> yeah
[10:07] <easyrider1> i tried it pete, the whole precess is over in half a second
[10:07] <easyrider1> I love it
[10:07] <Nookie> hi im trying to compile but getting this error:
[10:08] <Nookie> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:08] <Nookie> For more details about this problem, l
[10:08] <Nookie> what is the package im missing?
[10:08] <pete> easyrider1: Yeah, I always do things via Konsole, it's generally much faster.
[10:08] <FabioNET> Nookie, tried update list by apt
[10:08] <FabioNET> "sudo apt-get update"
[10:09] <FabioNET> after "sudo apt.get install qt"
[10:09] <FabioNET> after "sudo apt-get install qt"
[10:09] <Nookie> FabioNET: thanx m8 will try
[10:10] <FabioNET> tnx ;-)
[10:10] <Kiryn> i did shutdown - h 5 but i restarted and it won't let me login, said shutdown in 3 minutes >.<
[10:10] <Kiryn> why does it still remember >.>
[10:11] <FabioNET> "sudo shutdown -h now" tried!!!
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Kiryn: shutdown now is the command
[10:19] <Kiryn> i got it
[10:19] <Kiryn> i fucked up the sources.list >.<
[10:22] <LjL> !language | Kiryn
[10:22] <ubotu> Kiryn: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:22] <LjL> !source-o-matic | Kiryn
[10:22] <ubotu> Kiryn: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:22] <Kiryn> sorry
[10:23] <beefsprocket> anyone know how to get irssi to stop showing /join/part messages?
[10:25] <oli_> Hum... I just installed my ATi drive on Edgy Eft and I can't click on any of my KDE taskbar(mac-style one or bottom one) but I can moved between desktops and all, I can click on my application-menus on top, it all updates correctly but when I click on the taskbar, nothing happens!!
[10:25] <beefsprocket> nm, looks like /set is whta I need in irssi
[10:29] <trappist> beefsprocket: you can do it with /ignore
[10:30] <beefsprocket> trappist: yeah, but which part of ignore? heh, regexp?
[10:31] <trappist> beefsprocket: like, /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS
[10:31] <trappist> beefsprocket: /help levels
[10:31] <beefsprocket> trappist: just checking /help ignore
[10:31] <beefsprocket> thanks
[10:31] <lipe> Someone can tell me how can i add color in VIM ??
[10:31] <lipe> Someone can tell me how can i add color in VIM ?? please ...
[10:31] <fdoving> lipe: :syntax on
[10:32] <fdoving> you can put it in ~/.vimrc too.
[10:32] <beefsprocket> lipe: also, colorscheme and then use tab to choose
[10:32] <fdoving> echo 'syntax on' >> ~/.vimrc
[10:32] <lipe> thx u
[10:32] <lipe> thx u very much
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> any ways to fix avi audio lag ??
[10:33] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: in what player
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> kaffeine
[10:33] <Bubba_Gump> or vlc
[10:34] <trappist> try mplayer?
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> yup
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> same lag
[10:34] <BluesKaj> source-o-matic needs to be upgraded to include Edgy Repos ...why is it taking so long
[10:34] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: with all avi's, or just this one?
[10:34] <Bubba_Gump> with this one
[10:35] <Bubba_Gump> and, with another
[10:35] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: oh - might be hopeless, or you could try re-encoding with mencoder
[10:35] <beefsprocket> BluesKaj: if you don't have too many repos, use sed on your sources.list
[10:35] <Bubba_Gump> trappist: okay
[10:35] <trappist> sudo perl -pi -e 's/dapper/edgy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:35] <Al> Guys I have this problem. I had my laptop on earlier and turned it off to come home. I tried to log in and the screen flickered and returned me to the login screen. I cleaned up the disk (it's kinda small) and now I have more free space than I did when I last logged in. Now, when I log in, I don't get the desktop - I just get a Konsole window (with no window borders) and nothing else.
[10:35] <Al> I can run KDE apps from it, but again they have no windows
[10:36] <Al> I mean, no window borders
[10:36] <trappist> Al: are you sure it's konsole, or maybe xterm?
[10:36] <Al> It has a menu bar, and in the Settings menu is "Configure Konsole"
[10:36] <BluesKaj> beefsprocket, i have plenty ... prolly too many by the number of dupes it generates when update in apt..but I was thinking of those who ussing kubuntu for the first time
[10:36] <trappist> Al: run 'kwin'
[10:37] <Al> oo says cannot connect to X server
[10:37] <BluesKaj> who are using
[10:37] <trappist> Al: are you root or something?
[10:37] <Al> oops yeh
[10:37] <Al> ah, that got me window borders
[10:37] <Al> I don't have a desktop though
[10:37] <Al> kdesktop?
[10:37] <trappist> heh
[10:38] <trappist> not sure what that would be
[10:38] <Al> Also, what's broken it? :/
[10:38] <trappist> I dunno, it doesn't sound like you're actually running kde
[10:38] <beefsprocket> BluesKaj: take a look at this thread on the ubuntu-ca mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ca/2006-November/001315.html
[10:38] <trappist> try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (that will kill your display and bring you back... in theory)
[10:38] <Al> ok
[10:39] <fdoving> Al: logout, select the menu button, then check that session type is 'KDE', not failsafe or anything else.
[10:39] <Sir_Brizz> hello everyone
[10:39] <beefsprocket> i wonder if Al cleaned up a piece of kubuntu-desktop?
[10:39] <Sir_Brizz> I have a taskbar panel that is seperate from the K bar, and when a program flashes it doesn't un-hide itself. Is there a way to fix that?
[10:40] <Al> Same thing happened.
[10:41] <Al> Well... I restarted and it dumped me to console
[10:41] <Al> Second try got me back to square 1
[10:41] <Al> It didn't give me any errors that I saw, though.
[10:41] <trappist> Al: how exactly did you clean up your drive?
[10:41] <beefsprocket> Al: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[10:41] <Al> i moved documents to an external disk
[10:41] <Al> I have / and /home on separate partitions
[10:42] <Al> yep
[10:42] <trappist> Al: if you create a new user, can you log in ok as him?
[10:43] <Al> I will try
[10:45] <Al> Yes.
[10:45] <Al> Works fine as this user
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: try moving your .kde directory to somewhere else (safe so you can restore if you need to), then login
[10:46] <trappist> yeah that
[10:46] <icheyne> I'm trying to install latest version of devede, but it won't start. Apparently it needs pygtk. How do I install it? I can't find it in the repositories.
[10:46] <Al> brb also
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: ?
[10:46] <beefsprocket> Al: wait
[10:47] <beefsprocket> Al: try chown -R al:al /home/al/*
[10:47] <beefsprocket> Al: insert your real username for "al" of course
[10:48] <Al> sorry, just went to the loo :>
[10:48] <Oli_> Hum... I just installed my ATi drive on Edgy Eft and I can't click on any of my KDE taskbar(mac-style one or bottom one) but I can moved between desktops and all, I can click on my application-menus on top, it all updates correctly but when I click on the taskbar, nothing happens!!
[10:50] <Al> ok then brbrbrbr
[10:50] <Electrolyte> Can anyone help me install the latest nvidia driver? I get an error saying an nvidia module is missing :/
[10:50] <Oli_> Can anyone help me?
[10:51] <eilker> !xubuntu > eilker
[10:51] <Al> roit
[10:52] <Al> neither of those worked :(
[10:54] <BluesKaj> icheyne, http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html
[10:54] <icheyne> Thanks BluesKaj I got it there, but I'm struggling with dependencies
[10:54] <icheyne> I'm getting there though
[10:54] <icheyne> I just need to know how to install glade
[10:55] <icheyne> or rather which one to get
[10:55] <BluesKaj> IC
[10:55] <icheyne> python-glade2?
[10:55] <icheyne> glade-2?
[10:55] <icheyne> glade-3
[10:57] <beefsprocket> Al: ouch
[10:57] <Al> I concur
[10:58] <Al> Why do I have .gnome2?
[10:58] <Sir_Brizz> it's magic
[10:58] <Bubba_Gump> the gnomes have learnt a new way to say hooooray?
[10:58] <Sir_Brizz> okay Al, is KDE not coming up?
[10:59] <jvives> what was the name of the bot again?
[10:59] <Al> If I log in as this test user, it works, but if I log in as my actual user, the startup splash screen doesn't show and I get no taskbar or window borders and it loads only Konsole
[10:59] <Sir_Brizz> wait, so the Graphical Login page comes up?
[10:59] <Al> yes
[10:59] <Sir_Brizz> hmm that's odd
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> so kdm is obviously running
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> how do you know it's Konsole that comes up?
[11:00] <Al> Before I moved some of my docs off of my home drive onto an external disk, it would just bottom out and return me to the logon screen
[11:00] <jvives> what should I do in order to play WMV files?
[11:00] <Al> So I figured it was a disk space problem
[11:00] <Bubba_Gump> !codecs
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> !wmv > jvives
[11:00] <Al> But now I have more free space than I did last time I logged on
[11:00] <Sir_Brizz> !wmv
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> hmm
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> Al, it's not a window opening maximized, is it?
[11:01] <jvives> Sir_Brizz: that's why I first asked for the name of the bot... I was going to ask him...
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> jvives, he's obviously not working...
[11:01] <Al> No, Konsole opens at the standard size but locked to the top left
[11:01] <jvives> damn
[11:01] <Al> if I run kwin I get window borders
[11:01] <Sir_Brizz> Al, okay so KDE runs fine, but nothing comes up except a Konsole window?
[11:02] <Al> yeah
[11:02] <Al> With its menu bar, but no borders
[11:02] <Al> Also, the display resolution is wrong
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> Al, did you install XGL or something?
[11:03] <Al> nope
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> new ATI drivers?
[11:03] <Al> Not on this laptop :x
[11:03] <Al> nothing new recently
[11:03] <Sir_Brizz> hmm
[11:04] <Sir_Brizz> it sounds like when you run Beryl and it doesn't do anything
[11:04] <Sir_Brizz> window decorations aren't working
[11:07] <BluesKaj> icheyne, the devede tar is self extracting/installing and it should come with all the required dependencies
[11:07] <Al> OK trying something else
[11:07] <icheyne> BluesKaj, it does not
[11:08] <icheyne> BluesKaj, but thanks for looking anyway
[11:09] <faderhval> Hi... i have downloaded the kubuntu 6.10 livecd does it have a bootloader like lilo so i can have more than one system???
[11:09] <BluesKaj> are you doing the konsole install tar xvjf ? ... i merely extracted in the home file taht i DL'd it to and inside the extracted file the "DEVEDE Desktop" icon opens the program
[11:10] <icheyne> BluesKaj, that's exactly what I did
[11:10] <BluesKaj> didn't use the konsole
[11:11] <icheyne> BluesKaj, which version? I am using the latest one
[11:11] <BluesKaj> 2.6
[11:11] <BluesKaj> i just DL'd it from that site
[11:11] <icheyne> BluesKaj, what can I say?
[11:12] <icheyne> BluesKaj, thanks anyway mate. I'm going to abandon for now. I have a policy that if I can't get something that should be simple going in 10 minutes, then it's not worth it. I am sure that saves me a lot of bother in the long run!
[11:13] <icheyne> BluesKaj, wtf can't he give a deb out like every one else?
[11:13] <icheyne> ok night all
[11:15] <harmental> i have to say im quite surprised by all discouraging opinions about upgrading to edgy
[11:20] <darkx> hi
[11:20] <Bubba_Gump> i'd say egdy is fine OS
[11:20] <darkx> i mesed up a driver can somone help me.. pls
[11:20] <darkx> :)
[11:25] <mulder> Hello all. I need help with camorama?
[11:25] <grommit> hi guys, anyone got time to help? I got fresh install of 6.10 but seem unable to connect to repostitories.?
[11:31] <__fn0rd__> how come i cant acsess my folder on kubuntu?
[11:31] <__fn0rd__> folders*
[11:32] <Itcharlie> hi all
[11:32] <Itcharlie> have any of you guys install a printer from a share
[11:32] <__fn0rd__> my 2 top folders are home and media
[11:33] <__fn0rd__> i need to acsess usr root etc.etc...
[11:33] <flaccid> !root
[11:34] <__fn0rd__> i can acsess tehm all from a terminal but not from the gui
[11:35] <__fn0rd__> is anyone actualy in here?
[11:36] <SortOfThing> :)
[11:36] <Lynoure> yes, but going soon...
[11:36] <SortOfThing> I'm also interesting by the answer
[11:36] <SortOfThing> interestED
[11:37] <__fn0rd__> i should have root acsess my user name is the first one that i intstalled with and the only user name
[11:37] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: what did you need to access and what ore the permissions?
[11:38] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: indeed, you should have sudo.
[11:38] <__fn0rd__> i just iopen itnstalled aircrack and want to
[11:38] <__fn0rd__> i just installed aircrack and want to open it
[11:38] <Lynoure> oh, then you should be skilled enough to manage :)
[11:39] <visik7> anyone using vista+kubuntu ? grub is unable to boot vista
[11:39] <__fn0rd__> sorry my keyboard messes up alot due to wines pillage
[11:39] <SortOfThing> huhu
[11:39] <kjelderg> visik7: you mean vista is unable to be chainloaded?
[11:39] <visik7> kjelderg: I suppose
[11:39] <BluesKaj> visik7, was vista installed after kubuntu or before ?
[11:39] <visik7> before
[11:39] <kjelderg> can't really say I've ever heard of such an issue
[11:40] <kjelderg> what happens when it tries?
[11:40] <visik7> when I select vista from grub the system reboot
[11:40] <__fn0rd__> try to reinstall vista
[11:40] <SortOfThing> It's a brand new behavior with Edgy! I don't really know why but you can see more than media and home folders in konqueror :(
[11:40] <kjelderg> what is the stanza for booting vista?
[11:40] <visik7> kjelderg: stanza ?
[11:40] <SortOfThing> you can'T
[11:41] <kjelderg> visik7: the boot loading commands that you are issuing to grub
[11:41] <__fn0rd__> <---hurts knuckles punching monitor
[11:41] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: sound bad. But luckily there is the command line.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> vista has a recovery disk or partition ...you may need to use a partition program to reactivate Vista
[11:41] <visik7> kjelderg: edgy installation put it there
[11:42] <visik7> btw nevermind I've removed vista
[11:42] <kjelderg> question still stands
[11:42] <__fn0rd__> mine too
[11:42] <BluesKaj> edgy should not have made vista inaccessible
[11:42] <BluesKaj> edgy install, that is
[11:43] <kjelderg> maybe the installer has evolved into an AI?
[11:43] <Itcharlie> I am trying to add a printer
[11:43] <visik7> BluesKaj: maybe is vista that won't  boot from grub for security reasons
[11:43] <Itcharlie> in kubuntu
[11:43] <Itcharlie> from windows
[11:43] <SortOfThing> Lynoure: of course. I guess /usr /etc ... should not be seen by non advanced users. It's a logical choice but I didn't found of to restore the old behavior
[11:43] <SortOfThing> -of +how
[11:43] <kjelderg> wonder if anyone's thought of a cobuntu
[11:43] <Sir_Brizz> co?
[11:43] <kjelderg> colinux
[11:44] <Sir_Brizz> ah
[11:44] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: I'd want to restore it too, were I on edgy.
[11:44] <kjelderg> would be kinda slick
[11:44] <visik7> I wonder if  colinux can run on vista
[11:44] <Lynoure> SortOfThing: what happens if you type the full path into konq?
[11:45] <isaac_> marius_ no me funciona ni el kopete ni el gaim:(
[11:45] <BluesKaj> visik7, i used vista in a dual boot with dapper for a short time , didn't have a problem with grub
[11:45] <marius_> no es este canal, isaac
[11:45] <marius_> es kubuntu-es
[11:45] <visik7> BluesKaj: maybe is a rtm feature
[11:45] <marius_> vete al de espaol
[11:45] <isaac_> aja
[11:46] <kjelderg> I wonder if the Zune works with Vista
[11:46] <__fn0rd__> is there any comand to open a prog from a shell into a gui window?
[11:46] <BluesKaj> but i had installed vista after dapper so , dunno maybe there is a security issue with newer vista releases
[11:46] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: how do you mean?
[11:46] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: GUI apps from the shell should start on the display specified by DISPLAY
[11:46] <Lynoure> __fn0rd__: yes, the program name.
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> I think he measn so he doesn't lose control of the terminal :)
[11:47] <kjelderg> & ?
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> ^^
[11:47] <__fn0rd__> i want ot open aircrack under kubuntu but my computers hidding all system folders form me
[11:47] <Sir_Brizz> ~$ <progname> &
[11:48] <pacman> stupid question, but I figure here's a good place to ask....
[11:48] <pacman> If I buy an iPod, will I be able to load music on it from kubuntu?
[11:48] <kjelderg> yes
[11:48] <kjelderg> (try gtkpod or amarok or whatnots)
[11:48] <pacman> sweet
[11:48] <visik7> btw vista is unusable the interface flood the user with text and it's incoherent
[11:49] <pacman> vista is going to suck worse than ME
[11:49] <BluesKaj> yuk
[11:49] <__fn0rd__> fnord@fnord-laptop:~$ ~$ aircrack &
[11:49] <pacman> ME=Melinium Edition...not ME as in pacman
[11:49] <__fn0rd__> like that?
[11:49] <Sir_Brizz> no
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I wasn't impressed with vista RC
[11:50] <visik7> pacman: xp is far better than vista
[11:50] <__fn0rd__> or  ME as in maine which also sucks
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> ~$ was meant to illustrate you are at the command line :)
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> just <progname> &
[11:50] <__fn0rd__> ahh
[11:50] <pacman> visik7: right, but XP is far superior to ME
[11:50] <visik7> pacman: yes it is
[11:50] <kjelderg> wonder if they have a backup like they did when they released ME
[11:50] <BluesKaj> I think Maine is a neat state
[11:50] <pacman> ME is the standard for crappy windows software
[11:50] <visik7> btw kubuntu rule the world :)
[11:50] <Sir_Brizz> I never had problems with ME, personally
[11:51] <kjelderg> continue using XP doesn't seem like a reasonable solution...and if vista is problematic, then ...
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Canucks like Maine :)
[11:51] <__fn0rd__> i live in maine its actually is pretty damn cool just boring
[11:51] <pacman> I've been Microsoft-free for almost a year now, and I've never been happier
[11:51] <BluesKaj> absolutely , if gotta use windows stick with XP
[11:51] <visik7> pacman: me too just curious about vista
[11:52] <Kiryn> pacman, I'm happy to be using Microsoft :)
[11:52] <pacman> everything about Vista seems rushed...in a hurry to get it released
[11:52] <BluesKaj> vista is eye candy but a hog
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> I would go all-Linux if it weren't for the dang games
[11:52] <visik7> the network wizard of vista doesn't contemplate wired networking only wireless vpn dialup and broadband no LAN !!!!
[11:52] <__fn0rd__> whats some cool eyecandy for ubuntu?
[11:52] <Kiryn> i rather stick to Windows
[11:52] <kjelderg> a lot of games for linux, I think
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> __fn0rd__: Beryl
[11:52] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: about 1/1000000th of the ones for Windows
[11:52] <Kiryn> cause Mono will always be behind
[11:53] <kjelderg> Sir_Brizz: quality, mate, not quantity
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: :) Well the games I like are mostly windows
[11:53] <kjelderg> and even in quantity, I have over 4k games on my linux box
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> only about 1 out of every 20 good games works in Linux
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> and Cedega is a poor solution
[11:53] <kjelderg> lot of fun games, I think
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> like KillBill?
[11:53] <Sir_Brizz> ;)
[11:53] <Kiryn> nothing will ever get me to switch to linux fully
[11:53] <kjelderg> like Grand Theft Auto series :)
[11:54] <Kiryn> i use linux but rarely
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> hah
[11:54] <kjelderg> shooting people is a good way to pass times
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> is that through Cedega?
[11:54] <kjelderg> neg
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> hehe
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> well I have a variety of games
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> Supreme Commander won't work in Linux
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> and probably never will
[11:54] <kjelderg> never heard of it
[11:54] <Sir_Brizz> Call of Duty 1/2
[11:55] <Kiryn> i love Call Of Duty 3
[11:55] <Sir_Brizz> thankfully, UT2004 does work in Linux
[11:55] <Kiryn> Video games aren't suppose to be for Linux
[11:55] <bLaZeD> hello all im kinda having a prob........ive come home from being out all day and my computer is totaly frozen......... this has happened probly 5 times in the last 2 weeks......im trying to find out more info on what is causing this....any ideas where to start.....my kern.log doesnt seem to have any info...normal stuff then it stops....then the next entry is my hitting the power button
[11:55] <Kiryn> I thought linux was mainly a development machine
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: why not?
[11:56] <Kiryn> its graphics don't carry enough support
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> OpenGL is as far as DirectX is, it's just pickier and developers like it less because of that
[11:56] <kjelderg> huh, one of the first google results searching for supreme commander is "Anyone else disappointed with Supreme Commander?"
[11:56] <kjelderg> guess I'll skip that game
[11:56] <Kiryn> DirectX is what makes the games, linux doesn't support it
[11:56] <__fn0rd__> sir brizz i checked the repos for beryl and no luck is it somewhere else?
[11:56] <Kiryn> thats why
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: heh, you believe everything you read on google search results? :)
[11:56] <kjelderg> yup
[11:56] <kjelderg> every word
[11:56] <Sir_Brizz> __fn0rd__: it's kinda tricky to install
[11:57] <Kiryn> if linux supported it then probably yeah, but DirectX is better than OpenGL
[11:57] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: as I said, SDL and OpenGL are as good as DirectX
[11:57] <kjelderg> each has its good and bad, I think
[11:57] <Kiryn> I find DirectX better
[11:57] <Sir_Brizz> DirectX is certainly easier to code on
[11:57] <Kiryn> yeah
[11:57] <kjelderg> I've heard dozens of professional game designers say it both ways
[11:57] <__fn0rd__> damn im still a newbeng quick i think ill wait thoue but learni
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> yah, but most of the develoeprs that like OpenGL like it because it's OSS more than that it is easier to code for
[11:58] <__fn0rd__> still a newbee but im learning quick i think ill wait
[11:58] <kjelderg> they're all "oGL gives us better low-level control" and then "DirectX gives us better high-level tools to get hings done faster"...
[11:58] <Kiryn> I hate OSS to a point
[11:58] <__fn0rd__> really need a new keybored
[11:58] <BluesKaj> well if yer a gamer ...then yer not a serious computer user ...altho you can be both , just don't expect linux to help the game cos to make a profit
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> kjelderg: indeed
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> I'm a gamer and a serious computer user :)
[11:58] <Sir_Brizz> I think it's probably more likely that a gamer will be a superuser than the average computer user
[11:59] <Kiryn> so i see really no point in linux being for games
[11:59] <Sir_Brizz> why?
[11:59] <__fn0rd__> i heard a rumer bill gates bought up suse's stock and now owns a major percent,is this true?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> wth is "superuser"...another one of those gamerz terms ? :)
[11:59] <bLaZeD> and in my messages log i see this http://pastebin.ulteo.us/228 ...im not sure if that is normal...or if it isnt what is causing this?
[11:59] <Sir_Brizz> no, obviously it means someone that knows how to use a computer
[12:00] <Kiryn> okay say Linux ran games, they would be slow as fuck
[12:00] <Sir_Brizz> why?
[12:00] <Sir_Brizz> I get BETTER frames per second in Linux on UT2004 than on Windows
[12:00] <kjelderg> I prefer a linux(like) platform for games as it has a better (subjective) driver architecture
[12:00] <BluesKaj> he entered into an agreement with novell
[12:00] <__fn0rd__> are there any good linux games in the repos?like with 3d?even wolfinstien quality or doom would be perfect
[12:00] <kjelderg> gives it substantially better graphics support than windows
[12:00] <BluesKaj> gates did
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> yah
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> Novell sucks
[12:01] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: get wolfenstein, then?
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> their headquarters are up the street from my office
[12:01] <Sir_Brizz> they have been laying off people like crazy
[12:01] <Kiryn> the wine app is a joke
[12:01] <Riddell> __fn0rd__: doom is in the archivve
[12:01] <__fn0rd__> cool
[12:01] <Riddell> __fn0rd__: but without the level data
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> what does this mean for linux users i heard he could make people pay for linux?
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> nah
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> where do i put the level data? is that a wad file or something?
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> it really means nothing other than that Novell is destitue and scrambling to get any funding
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> GOOD BYE SUSE
[12:02] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: some of us already do pay for linux
[12:02] <BluesKaj> suse yast sucks as repos system
[12:02] <Sir_Brizz> yes, it does
[12:02] <__fn0rd__> :0
[12:03] <kjelderg> gets the job done
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> SuSE sucks in nearly every regard
[12:03] <kjelderg> beats windows repo system
[12:03] <nekez> sup
[12:03] <Kiryn> i love SUSE
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> file system, file locations, ETC
[12:03] <nekez> hey whats the stable release atm???
[12:03] <Kiryn> 10.2
[12:03] <nekez> is that edgy thing stable
[12:03] <kjelderg> yup
[12:03] <Kiryn> oh nvm
[12:03] <bimberi> nekez: Edgy 6.10
[12:03] <nekez> Download Kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS (Dapper)
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> SuSE is terrible
[12:03] <nekez> bimberi ah
[12:03] <Kiryn> I enjoy it
[12:03] <kjelderg> what's so wrong with SuSE?
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> possibly the worst Distro ever
[12:03] <Sir_Brizz> it's completely non-standard
[12:03] <nekez> and is there any documentation for getting yahoo dsl to work with it??
[12:03] <Kiryn> the worst is um Debian
[12:03] <kjelderg> Fast, stable...
[12:04] <nekez> ~_~
[12:04] <kjelderg> supports the pSeries here
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> it's for the dumbest computer user in the world and fails at just about everything compared to other distros
[12:04] <nekez> Kiryn ubuntu is debian
[12:04] <nekez> with  a twist
[12:04] <Kiryn> i know
[12:04] <nekez> and some incompatability
[12:04] <nekez> ~_____~
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> Debain isn't bad
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> Debian*
[12:04] <Kiryn> but debian itself is crap, ubuntu is a better version of debian
[12:04] <Sir_Brizz> yes but Debian isn't as bad as SuSE
[12:04] <kjelderg> now if a debian had good support...that might catch on
[12:04] <Kiryn> I like Gentoo better than Ubuntu imho
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> Nereid, LOL
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> I like Gentoo as well, but it's a lot of wasting time to get setup
[12:05] <Sir_Brizz> I don't have time to compile every package
[12:05] <Kiryn> yeah thats the bad thing but after that its better
[12:05] <kjelderg> huh, I use gentoo here at work, doesn't seem to be much trouble to administer
[12:06] <Sir_Brizz> I use Kubuntu at work
[12:06] <Kiryn> its nothing bad after the install
[12:06] <Lynoure> good time to go to sleep, I've seen too many pointless distro wars in my life already :)
[12:06] <kjelderg> my right machine is kubuntu, the left is gentoo
[12:06] <Kiryn> i use Windows XP :)
[12:06] <kjelderg> ... stuck in linux here :(
[12:06] <Sir_Brizz> Ubuntu's biggest strength is it's community
[12:07] <Kiryn> I can't keep a linux installed longer than maybe 5-7 days without something breaking
[12:07] <Aondo> kjelderg  are you dead? becaus i think you are stuck in heaven then :D
[12:07] <kjelderg> Aondo: I'd rather use other things, but ... linux it is
[12:07] <Aondo> :)
[12:07] <kjelderg> with all of its faults and quirks
[12:07] <Kiryn> i don't like constantly looking through a app to get all my downloads. its good at times but very annoying.
[12:07] <Sir_Brizz> HAH!
[12:08] <kjelderg> something about "linux developers need to run linux" or some'n' like that
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> XP has no faults and quirks?
[12:08] <kjelderg> I didn't understand the whole thing
[12:08] <Kiryn> it does to a point
[12:08] <kjelderg> Sir_Brizz: huh?
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> or did you want to use BeOS? ;)
[12:08] <kjelderg> there are other OSen
[12:08] <Kiryn> look Mono will never be better than .NET
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> so?
[12:08] <kjelderg> a nice unix would be much more comfortable
[12:08] <Sir_Brizz> I hate Unix
[12:08] <Kiryn> Why use a imutation than the real thing :S
[12:08] <kjelderg> Kiryn: :)
[12:09] <Kiryn> im bad at spelling
[12:09] <T3hWiz0rd> in soviet russia, unix hate you.
[12:09] <ehird> lol, troll
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> why write apps in .NET anyway? :p
[12:09] <Kiryn> Sir_Brizz, easier
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> :)
[12:09] <Kiryn> easier to gcode than in C++
[12:09] <Kiryn> code*
[12:09] <ehird> lol.
[12:09] <Kiryn> no stupid pointers
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> uhhh
[12:09] <ehird> if you're looking for easier to code, check out ruby.
[12:09] <nekez> sigh
[12:09] <Kiryn> auto garbage
[12:09] <Kiryn> heap
[12:09] <kjelderg> [18:08]  <Kiryn> im bad at spelling
[12:09] <nekez> ok then sorry had to adjust settings./.......
[12:09] <Sir_Brizz> are you trying to talk about C#?
[12:09] <nekez> the edgy is stable or no?
[12:09] <Kiryn> ruby meh i hate it
[12:10] <fdoving> nekez: it is.
[12:10] <Kiryn> I'm a C# programming and VB.NET
[12:10] <ehird> Kiryn: how about assembly?
[12:10] <nekez> kk
[12:10] <Kiryn> assembly is a pain to use
[12:10] <kjelderg> nekez: is
[12:10] <Sir_Brizz> Kiryn: C# != .NET
[12:10] <ehird> POP, PUSH, BASH, DIE, EAT-CHEESE, all easy, assmebly rawkz!!
[12:10] <fdoving> !offtopic | kiryn, ehird
[12:10] <ehird> <.<
[12:10] <ehird> lol @ bot not working.
[12:10] <kjelderg> .NET is a pretty good idea ...that mono is wonderful
[12:10] <Kiryn> i used to love C++ but now i can't stand it one bit
[12:11] <ehird> how about BASIC? :D
[12:11] <kjelderg> Kiryn: too much language for you?
[12:11] <Kiryn> .NET > mono
[12:11] <fdoving> ehird: you get the idea. #programming or #kubuntu-offtopic is a better place for this kind of discussion.
[12:11] <Sir_Brizz> I like C#, personally. But C# is not .NET, you can use .NEt with C#, but C# isn't .NET
[12:11] <Kiryn> fdoving, i don't see no one else talking about anything else?
[12:11] <ehird> fdoving: but the trolls are so nice to feed =(
[12:11] <kjelderg> so, what's causing my screensaver to come on?
[12:11] <Kiryn> im not trolling douche
[12:11] <kjelderg> I have it disabled in kcontrol
[12:12] <__fn0rd__> so still no advice on acsessing my folders under a gui?
[12:12] <kjelderg> I xset s off as well
[12:12] <Kiryn> they brought up the convo so i kept it going
[12:12] <kjelderg> __fn0rd__: konqueror?
[12:12] <fdoving> Kiryn: that's not the point. If the channel is full of offtopic things no one even tries to ask a question.