[19:28] <tdaitx> sbeattie: could you please take a look at the packages at https://launchpad.net/~openjdk-11-transition/+archive/ubuntu/fixes/+packages ?
[19:28] <tdaitx> there are fixes for bugs introduced after the updates we did for the openjdk-11 bionic transition
[19:28] <tdaitx> I believe you would like to have at least bionic and cosmic packages into the security pocket so they can work there, and let me know if you would rather have the same for disco
[19:28] <tdaitx> in case you believe that having them into -updates is enough let me know and I will proceed with the necessary sru work


[03:12] <wyoung> Lets discuss
[18:16] <isapgswell> hi everyone
[18:17] <isapgswell> why ubuntu has X mouse acceleration via xset and Xorg acceleration too ?
[18:19] <isapgswell> and how the definitive way to disable mouse acceleration
[18:23] <isapgswell> on X and gnome-shell
[18:27] <sarnold> isapgswell: probably, xinput to find the the names of your devices, xinput list-props "USB Optical Mouse"  (but with your device name) to see the properties, and then some xinput set-props to change the acceleration properties
[18:32] <isapgswell> sarnold, thx
[18:32] <isapgswell> sarnold i usually do: xset m 0/1 0
[18:33] <isapgswell> sarnold, and set flat option on mouse acceleration gnome-tweaks
[18:33] <isapgswell> in my home folder, i create the file .xsessionrc with: xset m 0/1 0
[18:34] <sarnold> isapgswell: oh yeah, I remember using xset m for that now.. does that still work?
[18:34] <isapgswell> sarnold yes for sure, and a would like to see this option m 0/1 0 for default
[18:35] <isapgswell> x and gnome-shell acceleration for what?? LAG??
[18:36] <isapgswell> i play cs go, with it's acceleration too, oh my god!!!
[18:37] <isapgswell> sarnold if you want permanent xset conf, create a file in home folder called .xsessionrc with this: xset m 0/1 0
[18:39] <sarnold> isapgswell: thankfully I've been happy with whatever my defaults are when using i3wm
[18:40] <isapgswell> sarnold good, are you using ubuntu 20.04?
[18:40] <sarnold> isapgswell: yeah
[18:41] <isapgswell> sarnold i3wm its better than mutter?
[18:42] <sarnold> isapgswell: I don't think I tried mutter..
[18:42] <sarnold> isapgswell: oh yeah, I've never tried it
[18:43] <isapgswell> sarnold is it hard too try out? i3wm?
[18:44] <sarnold> isapgswell: it's pretty easy, you just need to change the configuration from using jkl; keys to hjkl instead for changing focus and moving windows, and then you just dive right in
[18:45] <sarnold> the user guide is pretty good https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html
[18:45] <isapgswell> sarnold good!
[18:47] <sarnold> isapgswell: here's my config https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BGVQzprbRk/ -- sorry it's not an easy diff to see what I changed, but I think at this point it was just moving the jkl; to hjkl -- moving the h to g -- and moving from alt to the windows key
[18:48] <isapgswell> sarnold i3wm works with steam?
[18:48] <sarnold> isapgswell: I've never tried steam, but I suspect it'd be fine, I expect steam to take over the screen entirely
[18:48] <sarnold> isapgswell: maybe you'd get tearing if you're not using a compositor with i3, I never figured out how that stuff works, I don't play much video on this machine, so occasional tearing while watching rocket launches is fine :)
[18:50] <isapgswell> sarnold wow
[18:50] <isapgswell> sarnold i3wm is lightweight
[18:51] <sarnold> isapgswell: yeah; it doesn't work for everyone, but it mostly works for me. I ran it around 2010-2012 and loved it, then used unity from 2012 until 2017 or something, and switched back when we killed unity
[18:51] <sarnold> isapgswell: I don't know what exactly changed or doesn't feel right, but it works well enough that I haven't gone looking for a replacement, hehe
[18:54] <isapgswell> sarnold yes, amazing!
[18:57] <isapgswell> sarnold mutter doesnt have many options for conf
[18:59] <sarnold> isapgswell: where i3wm has a *lot* of options and I've barely scratched the surface :)
[19:01] <isapgswell> sarnold yep
[19:01] <isapgswell> sarnold i dont like so much mutter
[19:02] <isapgswell> sarnold maybe i switch a try another


 Does Kubuntu support Wayland ?
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManticMinotaur/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Plasma_Wayland_session (re @MarkoB90: Does Kubuntu support Wayland ?)
 Ok, thanks..didnt know about that wiki
[11:54] <cbreak> wayland worked even in 23.04, but it was quite bad :/ scaling was all wrong
[12:05] <webchat17> Hello. The "Release Notes" link on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManticUpgrades/Kubuntu still points at Lunar. Also do-release-upgrade is not working from 23.04
[12:08] <guiverc> thank webchat17 ; give me a few mins
[12:10] <guiverc> if you refresh page (use private mode to ensure cache isn't re-used if necessary) and it should be okay; yell out if its not
[12:11] <oerheks> 👍
[12:12] <guiverc> :)
[12:30] <webchat17> (If these logs are up to date then my prior message did not work https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2023/10/22/%23kubuntu.html). Two bugs: 1) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManticUpgrades/Kubuntu links to lunar release notes; 2) do-release-upgrade is not working, and discover is not prompting that there's a new version available
[12:30] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[12:32] <oerheks> webchat17, sorted. and the upgrade path is not released yet.
[12:37] <webchat17> Thanks!
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi
 Hi
 has anyone experienced unexpected power off in kubuntu 23.10 ?
 my laptop went off two times, each after about 2 hours being on I don't know why!? and I don't know how to investigate it.
 after first shutdown an old HDD with NTFS filesystem been corrupted and now it's not mountable, do I need to reformat that HDD?.
 That may be some time after the main release
[18:02] <mparillo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047344/how-can-i-run-fsck-on-ntfs-partitions-on-my-hard-drive
[18:37] <omr> hey everyone! I'm running 23.04 but do-release-upgrade can't find 23.10, should i force the upgrade with the -d flag?
[18:51] <oerheks> omr, i would wait.
 thank you, I am trying ntfsfix at the time.
 but I am afraid this problem happen again because I don't know why it happened before and what i have to do to stop it (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047344/how-can-i-run-fsck-on-ntfs-partitions-on-my-hard-drive)
[20:45] <mparillo> If you can run fsck, then you back up your data and restore it to a reliable file system.
[20:46] <mparillo> If it cannot resolve your corruption, then I am out of ideas.
 I don't know how to restore data from inside a corrupted filesystem but it seems it is possible so I have to figure it out.
 thanks for the time
 I come back with the results (re @IrcsomeBot: <mparillo> If you can run fsck, then you back up your data and restore it to a reliable file system.)
[23:37] <mparillo> So, for whatever you were able to recover with fsck, take a backup, then restore to a different, more modern file system.


[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:57] <elfy> hi lordievader
[09:58] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you this fine morning?
[10:03] <elfy> good thanks - you?
[10:05] <lordievader> Doing good, contemplating on where I am going to put my desk.
[10:07] <elfy> heh
[10:08] <elfy> well I hope you're eating cake while contemplating :)
[10:12] <lordievader> No, I am not. I am drinking coffee though.
[10:12] <elfy> :)
[10:12] <lordievader> And I have made a decision on what to do.
[10:12] <elfy> \o/
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:15] <GeoMint> check this:W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[13:15] <GeoMint> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[13:15] <GeoMint> W: Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[13:15] <GeoMint> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[13:16] <GeoMint> i am using 15.04 alpha-1
[13:39] <BluesKaj> GeoMint, not all the repos are active in 15.04 alpha
[13:40] <BluesKaj> i get the same output
[13:40] <GeoMint> is that a bug?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> no, the OS is in alpha, not all repos are available in development releases
[13:42] <GeoMint> hmm ok
[13:51] <BluesKaj> if it bothers you GeoMint, just comment the extras deb line in the sources.list with a # and update again
[14:10] <GeoMint> thanks
[15:19] <WhoKnows_625> Hi, since an update yestarday of Krita (from version 2.8.7 to 2.8.90) I can't run it, neither from KDE nor from terminal, I get a command not found. Where should I report this?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> !bug | WhoKnows_625
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> WhoKnows_625: you might wanna start your program from terminal to check errors aswell
[15:24] <BluesKaj> WhoKnows_625, did you run a dist-upgrade ?
[15:24] <WhoKnows_625> yep
[15:25] <WhoKnows_625> also vivis-proposed enabled
[15:25] <WhoKnows_625> *vivid-proposed
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ok that could expalain it , i lost konversation after the dist-upgrade, just had to re-install it
[15:25] <BluesKaj> don't use proposed
[15:26] <BluesKaj> it'll surely break things
[15:27] <qengho> proposed has 1) broken stuff, and 2) stuff that will be in regular channel anyway when it's ready.
[15:28] <WhoKnows_625> but that stuff need to be tested right?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> proposed is just that, not ready even for devel OSs
[15:28] <WhoKnows_625> BluesKaj: I already tried reinstalling and then romed and installing, no luck
[15:28] <BluesKaj> tested by those who know how to fix the asociated bugs
[15:30] <BluesKaj> did you remove or comment the proposed ppa ?
[15:30] <WhoKnows_625> so, should I: 1) report bug in proposed to launchpad as regular bugs?, 2) Report them elsewhere? or 3) Do not test them? (I'm aware of possible failures, that's why I keep important things in another box)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ppa purge proposed then update and upgrade and try installing krita again
[15:32] <BluesKaj> WhoKnows_625, even the devs recommend you not use proposed
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Hi elfy
[15:36] <WhoKnows_625> ok, thanks.
[15:36] <elfy> hi BluesKaj :)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> what's new , elfy?
[15:37] <elfy> nothing new - but old - installing windows is as much a pita as I remember ...
[15:37] <elfy> other than that \o/
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yup, 1500 windows updates to go :)
[15:39] <elfy> oh don't ... taken me a while to find the right lan driver for it - threw the disc away ages ago as linux tends to just work :p
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I still have a corporate W7 disk my son-in-law gave me back in '09...he's now my ex-son-in-law :)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> so it's anold version and it takes practically a whole day to finsh the install and all the required updates including SP-1 etc
[17:18] <soee> hi, gusy any updates lately taht break nvidia drivers to work ?
[17:20] <bubbasaures> soee, Are you using the drivers straight from nvidia?
[17:22] <soee> bubbasaures: nope, from xorg edgers but they worked fine for a long time, the 343, after latets updates (im on Kubuntu Vivid) system does not boot when using nvidia profile on my laptop with optimus tech. on intel profile though, all works nice
[17:24] <bubbasaures> soee, There is a xorg for 15.04? that is a ppa and not supported is all.
[17:25] <soee> bubbasaures: yes https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=vivid
[17:25] <soee> the drivers forked for me fin in 14.10 and on vivid since a bunch of updates i make today
[17:26] <bubbasaures> soee, Cool, only problem is this.
[17:26] <bubbasaures> !ppa
[17:26] <bubbasaures> you might get support, it is just technically not provided is all
[17:27] <bubbasaures> out of my area to really help, I just wondered if it was a case of a proprietary driver and a new reload after a kernel update
[17:28] <soee> yeah might be something with kernel i think
[17:49] <soee> the nvidia problem seems to be related to systemd updates
[17:54] <bubbasaures> soee, Try the provious kernel you have showing in grub
[23:36] <SuperLag> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e) <-- that's my wifi adapter in my ThinkPad W530. It is a 3x3. If I put a newer Intel adapter in there that only has 2 antenna connections, will it still work? I was thinking of the 7260. It support 802.11ac
[23:37] <SuperLag> sorry, though I was in the main channel :)


[00:18] <nickellery> do you mean completely remove Xubuntu?
[00:32] <sp219> Hello
[00:32] <cheeseboy> anyone know how to get midi to work with gstreamer?
[00:32] <sp219> Hello. i'm using xubuntu 8.04 on a freshly installed system, and
[00:32] <sp219> Code:
[00:32] <sp219> glxinfo |grep direct
[00:32] <sp219> shows that i do not have direct rendering on.
[00:32] <sp219> Does anyone know how to fix it? I know I had direct rendering on the last version of xubuntu. glxgears also has a very slow framerate (unbearably slow)
[00:33] <cheeseboy> sp219, install nvidia-glx
[00:33] <sp219> it's an intel card
[00:33] <sp219> intel 915
[00:33] <sp219> fairly old
[00:33] <sp219> but worked outstandingly on the last version
[00:34] <sp219> Any ideas?
[00:34] <sp219> not that skilled with linux drivers yet
[00:34] <sp219> i heard something about it may having to do with "mesa"
[00:35] <cheeseboy> nvr had intel card so dont know sorry
[00:43] <jepes> hi, i downloaded the hardy 8.04 thru torrent, md5 sum is correct but when trying to install in virtual machine it says some files are corrupted.... does anyone had any similar problems?
[00:45] <nickellery> does this take place when booting from the Live CD?
[00:48] <Seeeb> nickellery: no i dont want to remove xfce completely, i just want to take a look at the fluxbox windowmanager
[00:49] <nickellery> Seeeb: sorry, what was the matter?  You want to test out fluxbox on the Live CD?
[00:50] <Seeeb> nope
[00:50] <Seeeb> i have a running xubuntu right now
[00:50] <Seeeb> and tomorrow i want to reinstall to hardy
[00:50] <Seeeb> but until then, i want to try another windowmanager
[00:51] <Seeeb> so i want to install fluxbox, then shut down xfce and run fluxbox
[00:51] <Seeeb> :)
[00:51] <nickellery> So do you want fluxbox to take over the entire HDD?
[00:52] <Seeeb> mhh, what do you mean ?
[00:52] <nickellery> ok... do you currently ahve Xubuntu installed on your entire Harddrive, or are you dual-booting with another operating system
[00:53] <Seeeb> dual booting
[00:53] <Seeeb> i also have winxp
[00:54] <nickellery> ok, so you want to keep Xubuntu, XP, and install fluxbuntu as well?
[00:55] <Seeeb> yes
[00:56] <Seeeb> what
[00:56] <Seeeb> fluxbuntu?
[00:56] <Seeeb> =D
[00:56] <jepes> nickellery: sorry from the late reply, i was intalling it from an alternate cd, "installation failed"
[00:56] <Seeeb> i thought fluxbox was just a windowmanager !?
[00:56] <Seeeb> like kde/gnome
[00:56] <Seeeb> not a whole system
[00:56] <nickellery> ooh HUGE apologies
[00:57] <nickellery> I misread, and thought you said fluxbuntu, which is a Ubuntu derivative
[00:57] <Seeeb> :-o
[00:57] <Seeeb> np
[00:57] <Seeeb> :)
[00:57] <nickellery> So lets start from the beginning
[00:58] <Seeeb> well, i just need to know howto shut down xfce
[00:58] <Seeeb> so i can run fluxbox
[00:58] <Seeeb> =)
[00:59] <nickellery> have you installed fluxbox yet?
[00:59] <Seeeb> nop
[01:00] <nickellery> Try to install fluxbox, and see if it overwrites
[01:01] <Seeeb> i dont think so :p
[01:01] <Seeeb> and i hope not!
[01:02] <nickellery> well, you have to install fluxbox in order to use it
[01:24] <h4mx0r> how do you people easily deal with xfce and samba servers?
[02:39] <HermanChess> how can I change the window manager in xfce?  For some reason it is now using metacity , how can I change it back to the default ?
[02:43] <Seeeb> settings manager -> "workspace / interface -settings" -> let xfce control...
[02:43] <Seeeb> ah
[02:43] <Seeeb> xd
[03:48] <emdash> why is it that unmounting drives in thunar still fails to work
[03:48] <emdash> in hardy
[03:54] <emdash> oh my god
[03:54] <emdash> ubuntu forums search interface is HORRIBLE
[05:01] <matthew> will xubuntu run on a pentium mmx computer?
[06:04] <dthacker> Hi,  I'm building a nice little Xubuntu laptop for a release party tommorrow.  Anything I should absolutely make sure i install?
[06:09] <slimjimflim> how would i go about diagnosing why my sound card doesn't work
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> hey guys
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> or peeps
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> lol
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> umm well i'm trying to copy some files from windows into a linux shared folder
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> but everytime i do
[06:30] <Kaemon12433> it wont let me
[06:31] <Kaemon12433> like it's firewalled or wont let anything in
[06:43] <nikolam> 1 2 1 2
[06:43] <nikolam> khm hello
[07:05] <Volkodav_> what's the fs on the linux folder?
[07:06] <dthacker> what package does totem need to play DVD's?
[07:07] <ere4si> !dvd
[07:27] <S0210> Hi. What to do if I get "Translation setup needed" message at the translation.launchpad.net? (For xfce4-session to be specific.) Who can do that?
[07:37] <nikolam> Volkodav_, if you are thinking about file system then it is usually ext3, but it depends what you choose when you install system.
[07:38] <nikolam> dthacker, Play DVD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs?highlight=%28DVD%29
[08:10] <nikolam> USB memory access on 8.04 amd64 is buggy
[08:10] <nikolam> second time i insert my usb memory, it locks itself in some state un-defined
[08:11] <nikolam> not mounted, not umounted
[08:11] <nikolam> floating unusable,
[08:17] <litlebuda> can anyone tell me why i cant have a static ip on xubuntu 8.04 ? it keeps on changing to roaming mode and even stranger , it adds another eth , i only have one nic but since i have rebooted twice i now find miself with eth2 !! any ideas ?
[08:20] <nikolam> how many notwork cards do you have?
[08:20] <nikolam> did you select static ip during install?
[08:20] <litlebuda> nikolam,  1
[08:20] <litlebuda> it was an upgrade from 7.10
[08:22] <nikolam> ifconfig?
[08:22] <litlebuda> where can i paste the output ?
[08:23] <nikolam> hm look at the System>Network app first
[08:24] <nikolam> I used to use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ but i am not shure if it is working now
[08:24] <litlebuda> its activated as roaming
[08:24] <nikolam> !pastebin
[08:25] <nikolam> heh you can change it now. Is it ok now?
[08:26] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ seems to be working for pastebin
[08:32] <litlebuda> nikolam, it didnt change and i now have eth3
[08:32] <litlebuda> :)
[08:33] <nikolam> Wow :)
[08:33] <nikolam> Did you open System>Network applet?
[08:34] <nikolam> unlock it and set it
[08:34] <litlebuda> yep
[08:34] <litlebuda> yep
[08:34] <nikolam> and? :)
[08:35] <litlebuda> it didnt change anything, after i rebooted it changed to eth3 and dinamic ip
[08:36] <litlebuda> changed the /etc/network/interfaces
[08:36] <litlebuda> rebbot again
[08:36] <litlebuda> :)
[08:39] <nikolam> ahh nice. Now it is ok?
[08:41] <litlebuda> found it i think
[08:41] <litlebuda> its a kernel bug
[08:41] <litlebuda> it says my nic as an incorrect mac address
[08:44] <nikolam> ah what nic it is?
[08:45] <litlebuda> wait a sec
[08:45] <litlebuda> dont know
[08:45] <litlebuda> :(
[08:46] <litlebuda> how can i see it ?
[08:49] <litlebuda> where is the error
[08:49] <litlebuda>  forcedeth 0000:00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: 29:94:e4:8f:13:00
[08:49] <litlebuda> [   18.172624] forcedeth 0000:00:07.0: Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC.
[08:49] <litlebuda> [   18.692356] forcedeth 0000:00:07.0: ifname eth0, PHY OUI 0x20 @ 1, addr 00:00:6c:38:64:5f
[08:49] <litlebuda> [   18.692363] forcedeth 0000:00:07.0: highdma pwrctl mgmt timirq lnktim msi desc-v3
[08:53] <nikolam> i think i heard that there is a way to change a mac adress. When i was reading about some witreless networks
[08:53] <nikolam> But I would consider that Nic is broken
[08:54] <nikolam> is it integrater Nic on motherboard?
[09:21] <sphax3d> I need help. I use Xubuntu for one week, and a search to change layout of my keyboard. I can't type others symbols with Alt or Alt+Shift :-/
[10:31] <Addana> Hello
[10:31] <Addana> I cannot play DVD. whats the thing which I need to install in order to play DVD?
[10:34] <sphax3d> Addana: http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/video.html ?
[11:04] <Addana> console is terminal right?
[11:04] <sphax3d> yes
[11:07] <chirlu> Does anyone know, why the xubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386-CD installs totem-gstreamer and not totem-xine (like 7.10) while the metapackage xubuntu-restricted-extras only adds multimedia-support for the xine-engine?
[11:08] <Addana> hey thanks guys, it did work
[11:15] <kripz> how do i make a shortcut to open terminal? what do i put as the script/binary
[11:35] <floating> xfce4-terminal
[11:38] <ere4si> he left floating
[12:51] <Seeeb> hey, is there a way to save my XFCE settings when i want to delete xubuntu& install hardy ?
[12:51] <Seeeb> which files do i have to backup :)
[13:20] <totalwormface> Seeeb: well, you get far with just copying your home folder
[14:01] <Seeeb> yeah, ill do that totalwormface :-)
[14:01] <totalwormface> good
[14:01] <totalwormface> :P
[14:24] <Daddy> Hey. the master volume of my system is so low. How can I increase the master volume?
[14:26] <Seeeb> add the soundvolume control button to your bar and use it
[14:26] <Seeeb> :)
[14:28] <andy> anyone around?
[14:37] <xeorex> Hi
[14:38] <xeorex> Is there anyone?
[14:38] <chirlu> Hi
[14:38] <xeorex> Great, seems like it's working
[14:41] <xeorex> Is there anyone who could help me out and tell me if it's possible to use xubuntu to create a backup server that will automatically switch on network workstations, do a backup of the documents, switch off the workstations when finished. I am looking to make the backups nightly while nobody is in the office and write those backup on a RAID5 for speed and security.
[14:42] <xeorex> Most workstations are running Windows XP Pro apart a couple using Windows XP Home that will be updated to Windows XP Pro. All I need to know is Is it possible or should I find another solution?
[14:44] <wolfwalker> Minor question about the basic nature of Ubuntu:  If I have Ubuntu installed, complete with Grub, and I have Xubuntu installed on a flash drive, complete with Grub, does the computer get confused with two Ubuntu kernels present?
[14:44] <wolfwalker> Before I installed Ubuntu to the hard drive, Xubuntu ran from the flash drive.
[14:47] <ere4si> good question - did you have the flash drive in when you installed to the hard disk?
[14:48] <wolfwalker> No
[14:49] <ere4si> so it would come down to which is called first in the bios then I would think
[14:49] <wolfwalker> Flash drive is.  When I boot from flash drive, it comes up alright.  But when I try to select an os it gives me an error message.
[14:49] <wolfwalker> Error 17, whichever that is.
[14:53] <ere4si> when you select an os it gives an error - with which grub?
[14:53] <wolfwalker> In Grub, from the flash drive
[14:53] <wolfwalker> When I boot from the flash drive, Grub boots from the flash drive.  It comes up with the Xubuntu I installed to the flash drive, and Windows and Ubuntu on the hard drive.
[14:54] <wolfwalker> And it specifies that Windows and Ubuntu are on a drive other than Grub's home drive
[14:54] <wolfwalker> But when I try to select any OS, it gives me error 17 and reboots.
[14:56] <RedLineCity> Hey. the master volume of my system is so low. How can I increase the master volume?
[14:57] <wolfwalker> Should be an icon in the top right corner.
[14:57] <ere4si> wolfwalker: you said the flash drive wasn't in when you installed ubuntu to the hard drive?
[14:57] <wolfwalker> No
[14:58] <ere4si> wolfwalker: then it shouldn't show in the grub from the flash
[14:58] <RedLineCity> ere4si, sorry theres no icon in top corner which has anything to do with volume :(
[14:58] <wolfwalker> Case history:  Installed Windows on the hard drive.  Installed Ubuntu on the hard drive.  Installed Xubuntu on the flash drive.
[14:59] <wolfwalker> When I installed Ubuntu, flash drive wasn't connected.  When I installed Xubuntu grub was installed on the flash drive.
[15:00] <ere4si> RedLineCity: right click the panel - select add to panel - install volume applet    maybe?
[15:00] <wolfwalker> The grub on my hard drive still works fine, I can boot into Windows and Ubuntu.
[15:01] <ere4si> wolfwalker: while installing xubuntu to the flash you had a choice of where to put grub - where did you put it?
[15:01] <wolfwalker> On the flash drive.
[15:02] <wolfwalker> In step seven of the pre-fab installer routine, hit Advanced Options and select to install Grub to the flash drive.
[15:03] <wolfwalker> And grub does in fact come up, and it is the grub from the flash drive, because it notes Windows and Ubuntu are on a disk other than that Grub's home disk (the flash drive)
[15:03] <RedLineCity> thanks ere4si, that helped :)
[15:04] <ere4si> RedLineCity: great :)
[15:05] <ere4si> wolfwalker: did you follow a guide for booting linux from flash - e.g. - http://lifehacker.com/software/ubuntu/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-a-flash-drive-245087.php
[15:05] <wolfwalker> I went to pen drive linux
[15:06] <ere4si> I think the prob is that the other partitions aren't recognized by the flash's grub
[15:06] <ere4si> error 17 and all...
[15:07] <wolfwalker> It wouldn't load Xubuntu from its home drive (the flash drive) either.
[15:12] <suriro> wolfwalker: compare boot/menu.lst files of both sides, mostly some drive enumeration issue
[15:13] <suriro> * /boot/grub/menu.lst
[15:14] <ere4si> pen drive isn't for multiple boots unles I'm outdated
[15:15] <Seeeb> can someone tell me how to stop xfce, so that i can run fluxbox that ive just installed? :)
[15:16] <ere4si> Seeeb: you select flux from the login - sessions
[15:17] <Seeeb> ere4si: well ok, but isnt there a textbased way todo this ?
[15:19] <ere4si> Seeeb: you need to restart x to start a new window manager for a simple explanation - ctrl_alt+bksp
[15:20] <Seeeb> yes i know
[15:20] <Seeeb> but ctrl alt and backspace restart xfce
[15:20] <Seeeb> it doesnt shut it down, does it ?
[15:21] <Seeeb> isnt there a way to to the opposite of "startx" or "xfce4"
[15:22] <suriro> Seeeb: xfce4 does not start until you login. It's GDM that asks for username, password, not xfce.
[15:23] <Seeeb> ahhh
[15:23] <Seeeb> ok :]
[15:23] <Seeeb> thanks then
[15:23] <ere4si> ctrl+alt+bksp takes you to the login - there is a session option there that will let you select flux as the window manager
[15:23] <Seeeb> okok
[15:23] <Seeeb> now i understand
[15:23] <ere4si> k
[15:24] <Seeeb> just because im interested in it: how would i stop X if i wanted to?
[15:24] <ere4si> Seeeb: in flux right click the desktop for a menu
[15:24] <Seeeb> and in xfce ?
[15:24] <ere4si> /etc/init.d/gdm stop   perhaps
[15:25] <Seeeb> ok!!
[15:25] <Seeeb> big thanks dude
[15:25] <ere4si> :)
[15:32] <chirlu> Hello everyone! I'm still wondering, why the xubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386-CD installs totem-gstreamer and not totem-xine. I thought xine is the peferred backend in Xubuntu. Does anyone know anything about that?
[15:33] <ere4si> I thought there was an option to use either
[15:34] <Odd-rationale> chirlu: it was the same in 7.10...
[15:35] <chirlu> I didn't see any option while installing. With 7.10 I had totem-xine installed automatically.
[15:38] <ere4si> chirlu: I haven't used it in a while but in edit-preferences I think is the option t use xine
[15:38] <ere4si> *to
[15:42] <chirlu> Well, I could just change it with 'sudo apt-get install totem-xine', but I would like to know, If there is any advantage in using totem-gstreamer.
[15:45] <ere4si> I think gstreamer has better support but that isn't based on hard facts
[15:48] <chirlu> I'm just wondering, if it is purposed for any reason or just forgotten to change from ubuntu 8.04.
[15:58] <chirlu> The xubuntu-restricted-extras don't include anything for gstreamer but libxine1-ffmpeg. That makes me believe, xine is still the preferred backend in xubuntu. Well, I will try and see. Thanks for answering.
[15:58] <Dream> hi
[15:59] <ere4si> !hi
[16:00] <ere4si> bots still not working then...
[16:00] <Dream> i'm currently using xfce on xubuntu and i would like to get the alt+f2 behavior work like xfce on debian. does anyone could help me please ?
[16:00] <ere4si> alt+f2 opens a run dialog
[16:00] <Dream> yep
[16:00] <ere4si> and?
[16:01] <Dream> but the behavior on xubuntu is not the same on debian
[16:01] <ere4si> what's diff
[16:01] <ere4si> ?
[16:02] <Dream> hum... the alt+f2 on debian open the run dialog selecting the text box and xubuntu does not do it
[16:02] <Dream> so i prefer much debian alt+f2 behavior
[16:04] <ere4si> I've never used debian - what is the text box it selects?
[16:04] <ere4si> a terminal?
[16:04] <Dream> oh... no, it's not this
[16:04] <Dream> it's the completing fonction working different
[16:05] <ere4si> you know debian is years behind...?
[16:05] <Dream> "years behind" ?
[16:06] <Dream> i'm not sure to understand what you mean
[16:06] <Dream> do you mean debian is oldest than xubuntu ?
[16:07] <ere4si> debian only uses progs that are proven over time - it doesn't update very often at all
[16:07] <Dream> so... i'm using the unstable one ;)
[16:08] <xeorex> Is it possible to make a xubuntu server that will boot itself during the night (via the Bios, that's possible), wake on line other Windows workstations attached to the network, do a backup of selected files (do I need to login into Administrator for this?), shut down the Windows systems when finished, keep track in a log files, shut the server down when all processes are completed?
[16:08] <ere4si> I don't understand what you mean by the text box that alt+f2 selects
[16:08] <Dream> and progs aren't that old you say ;)
[16:09] <xeorex> Query me if you know
[16:09] <ere4si> xeorex: #ubuntu-server might know the answer to that
[16:09] <xeorex> Cheers
[16:09] <ere4si> k
[16:10] <ere4si> Dream: xubuntu is beta or stable
[16:11] <ere4si> and released every six months with newer packages for most apps
[16:11] <ere4si> there is no unstable
[16:11] <Dream> hum... eg. if in my progs list i have "firefox" and "firestarter", in debian, if i type "fire", completing function give me "firefox" because i using firefox last time. xubuntu does not completing anything. i find it annoying. i have to type "firef" to get something
[16:11] <ere4si> tried using the tab button?
[16:12] <Dream> (like the alt+r function on gnome-terminal)
[16:12] <Dream> yep, it doesn't work
[16:13] <Dream> (debian unstable is not so unstable ;) the very unstable version of debian is called sid...)
[16:14] <ere4si> maybe someone else can chime in - I have an icon on a dock for the terminal and never use alt+f2
[16:16] <Dream> ok. try it, it's a great function. i never use my mouse to lauch apps and find it very confortable ;)
[16:16] <Dream> (but it's pretty more confortable on debian :s)
[16:17] <suriro> Dream: press up arrow to select when completion list appears
[16:18] <Dream> suriro: yep. this is what i do on xubuntu but it's not so confortable and longer than on debian...
[16:19] <Dream> suriro: i would very appreciate to give the debian behavior
[16:19] <suriro> it's not a debian thing. That's how recent xfce behaves
[16:20] <Dream> suriro: oh... are you sure about that ?
[16:20] <Dream> suriro: i'm using debian since a year and i was the same behavior...
[16:20] <ere4si> maybe install xfce3 instead of xfce4
[16:21] <suriro> Dream: wha'ts the version of xfce you use on debian?
[16:22] <Dream> suriro: uh... i don't know. it's on my work computer and i don't have the hand on it at this time
[16:23] <Dream> suriro: i'll try to find it
[16:23] <Dream> (using the web)
[16:25] <Dream> it seems to be the <IP_ADDRESS> : http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xfce4
[16:26] <Dream> and i'm using the 4.4.2 on xubuntu
[16:27] <Dream> (i mistake, i'm using the testing version, not the unstable)
[16:42] <Dream> my english is so bad but i really like to suggest make alt+f2 behavior work like debian in the ubuntu brainstorm website :D
[16:44] <ere4si> go ahead Dream - they welcome input :)
[16:46] <Dream> ere4si: :)
[16:46] <ere4si> hehe
[17:05] <compiler91> #whois compiler
[17:09] <OnionSWE> I have a question, im trying to install xubuntu on a laptop with the via KM400 chipset, in other words i have to install the openchrome driver to get graphics to work. Does any one know if openchrome works with xfce or do I have to install x?
[17:10] <BunnyRevolution> OnionSWE: vesa should work to get you started at least.  i think xorg has a fallback video to vesa.
[17:10] <BunnyRevolution> to run xfce, iirc, you'll need x
[17:10] <ere4si> it will boot with the vesa driver - then you install the necessaties
[17:11]  * BunnyRevolution lug presentation's focuses on *buntu, in particular xubuntu
[17:12] <BunnyRevolution> as many peeps in my area have low speced computes
[17:16] <OnionSWE> ok, i did the vga=791 thing to get VSA working at least, so now im running the install but i dont think that i will get xfce to start, guess that i have to install the openchrome driver in text mode and then start xfce..
[17:21] <OnionSWE> i have been trying to get xubuntu to run on this particular machine for about two years now, this openchrome driver stuff has been making it impossible
[17:24] <ere4si> OnionSWE: why not boot with the vesa driver?
[17:32] <OnionSWE> ere4si, how would i do that?
[17:34] <ere4si> OnionSWE: install xubuntu and boot into it - the vesa driver is the default
[17:34] <ere4si> if it can't find a better driver
[17:35] <OnionSWE> Well if i just boot the desktop version of xubuntu i just see the boot splash screen and then it just stops loading because it wont load xfce..
[17:37] <OnionSWE> if i use the alternate cd i cant even get the installation graphics to work without using the vga=791 thing, to work and even then i cant start xfce.. i have tried it hundreds of times in hundreds of diferent ways and it just wont start...
[17:38] <ere4si> OnionSWE: what is the hardware - laptop brand etc
[17:39] <OnionSWE> Acer aspire 1350 with via KM400 chipset which means i have a sis3 (i think) onboard graphics card that just refuses to work with any kind of linux dist..
[17:39] <OnionSWE> 256 MB RAM shared with graphics
[17:39] <OnionSWE> 40GB HDD
[17:43] <ere4si> OnionSWE: I use a sis 305 card and the vesa driver - and your lappy is well supported for ubuntu - where in the boot process does it stop?
[17:48] <OnionSWE> well if i just boot the alternate xubuntu hardy CD i the "boot menu" works where i choose how to install, but if i chose install the screen just "scrambels" and i cant se anything, the program dosent hang or anyting its just that the screen scarmbels everything and i cant see what im doing..
[17:48] <OnionSWE> so thats when i use the F6-> vga=791 commmand and then i can follow the installation through..
[17:50] <ere4si> then i can follow the installation through..and what happens next?
[17:51] <OnionSWE> but as i remember it even though i complete the installation xfce still wont boot when i try to boot the system for the first time.. i can see the spash screens with the "loding the system progress bar" and everything but just as xfce is about to start the system just stops, i see a few text commands and there is a text prompt so i can write stuff but i cant acctually execute any commands so its not the command line inter
[17:52] <OnionSWE> then i have to hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and the system shuts down...
[17:53] <ere4si> OnionSWE: is it a busybox prompt?
[17:53] <OnionSWE> im installing right now, im at 67% so i can give you a more detailed description in a few minutes..
[17:53] <ere4si> I'm here for a while :)
[17:54] <ere4si> use my nick when you're ready
[17:55] <OnionSWE> its just the blinking horisontal line and a black screen and i can write stuff but hitting enter just "changes to the next line", its like writing a text document..
[17:56] <ere4si> that's not a busybox prompt then...
[18:00] <OnionSWE> 87% cleaning up the system..
[18:03] <OnionSWE> installing grub
[18:03] <OnionSWE> finishing installation..
[18:04] <OnionSWE> ere4si: rebooting..
[18:04] <ere4si> k
[18:05] <OnionSWE> starting up..
[18:05] <OnionSWE> boot splash loding indicator thing...
[18:05] <ere4si> progress bar it's called
[18:07] <OnionSWE> ok, so now im stuck as i described before.. there are a few text lines to indicate OK status of some boot events and now just the text input blinking horizontal line...
[18:07] <OnionSWE> i can write a book here and hit enter just as many times as i wish, nothing hapens..
[18:08] <OnionSWE> last line was "*Running local boot scripts (etc/rc.local) [OK]" and now nothing...
[18:09] <xeorex_> sorry?
[18:10] <OnionSWE> describing my boot experience to ere4si... :)
[18:10] <ere4si> OnionSWE: can you reboot and select your kernel to boot - then press  e  then scroll down to the kernel line  press e  again and  remove the  "quietsplash" and add   verbose  hit enter and   b
[18:10] <doom> Anyone know of a work around for the 8.04 exception emask errors? I've tried all of the suggested fixes on the forums and they don't seem to help. Installs fine in VMware/VirtualBox any ideas?
[18:10] <OnionSWE> allright, rebooting...
[18:11] <ere4si> OnionSWE: it will let us know where the failure is
[18:13] <OnionSWE> ere4si, booting, but its booting as usual, with splash screen... ?
[18:13] <OnionSWE> ok, now stuck at the same place again..
[18:14] <OnionSWE> oh sorry, i made a mistake... rebooting now...
[18:14] <ere4si> OnionSWE: you should have got text instead of the progressbar
[18:14] <ere4si> k
[18:15] <OnionSWE> ere4si: it didnt say quietsplash, it just said quiet.. dont know if that makes any difference...
[18:16] <OnionSWE> ere4si: ok, i changed it from quiet to verbose and now it wont boot at all.. ??
[18:16] <ere4si> hmmm'
[18:17] <OnionSWE> hmm cant even use ctrl+alt+delete now, have to pull the battery... :)
[18:17] <ere4si> OnionSWE: done the md5 check on the cd ?
[18:17] <ere4si> !md5
[18:17] <ere4si> ahhhggg bot not working
[18:18] <BunnyRevolution> call for a bot
[18:18] <BunnyRevolution> !bot
[18:18] <ere4si> doesn't work here lately
[18:19] <OnionSWE> i did not check the md5..
[18:19] <ere4si>  To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[18:20] <ere4si> OnionSWE: that should be an option at booting the cd
[18:21] <OnionSWE> I can check it if you want but i dont think thats the problem.. Ive had this exact problem with several different xubuntu disks.. and i know that i have checked some of the otherones that gave me the exact same problem..
[18:22] <ere4si> OnionSWE: I never try and boot an unchecked disk
[18:23] <OnionSWE> it seams that i cant edit the boot options... even though i delete the quiet line and add a verbose line, the next time i reboot it has changed back to quiet..
[18:24] <OnionSWE> are you sure about the "verbose" thing?
[18:24] <ere4si> OnionSWE: positive
[18:25] <OnionSWE> What if i just boot into recovery mode, shouldnt that do the trick..?
[18:25] <ere4si> OnionSWE: and it always says   quiet splash   never just quiet
[18:26] <ere4si> OnionSWE: good thought - see if that takes you to a login
[18:26] <OnionSWE> mine just said quiet per default, i hadent touched it! :)
[18:27] <doom> pizza dewm
[18:27] <ere4si> OnionSWE: that's what made me think the disk wasn't right
[18:27] <OnionSWE> allright, im seeing a lot of text swooshing by...
[18:27] <ere4si> OnionSWE: you could have a dying burner
[18:28] <OnionSWE> Ok im at the recovery menu
[18:28] <doom> pizzzzaaaaaaa dewwwwmmmmmm
[18:28] <OnionSWE> Guess that i should chouse "Drop to root shell prompt"
[18:28] <ere4si> login
[18:29] <OnionSWE> im in..
[18:29] <OnionSWE> what now?
[18:30] <OnionSWE> should i try to install the openchrome drivers and se if that works?
[18:30] <ere4si> type   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:30] <ere4si> and choose defaults except vid card - choose vesa
[18:30] <Cannon> !ps3
[18:30] <ere4si> !bot
[18:31] <Cannon> does any body know how UI can install linux on the ps3?
[18:31] <ere4si> yahhh the bots back
[18:31] <OnionSWE> Use kernel framebuffer?
[18:31] <ere4si> no
[18:32] <ere4si> Cannon: google has the answer
[18:32] <Cannon> lol, i've looked
[18:32] <Cannon> i need somebody to talk to
[18:32] <Cannon> as right now I can't even boot to the ps3 os
[18:33] <doom> ubuntu 8.04, exception emask, ata2 frozen error. (cdrom) vmware works, virtualbox works, any known work arounds? Forum fixes haven't worked.
[18:33] <ere4si> Cannon: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/how-to-install-linux-on-your-ps3-220918.php
[18:33] <OnionSWE> ere4si: it just asked me lots and lots of questions about my keboard and then exited...
[18:34] <ere4si> OnionSWE: it should
[18:34] <ere4si> type shutdown -r now
[18:34] <OnionSWE> ere4si: i thought that it was supposed to ask me about my graphics hardware..
[18:35] <OnionSWE> Ok, its shutting down..
[18:35] <ere4si> OnionSWE: the third or so question should have been about the vid card
[18:35] <Cannon> thats not a guide ere4si, lol
[18:35] <OnionSWE> rebooting..
[18:35] <OnionSWE> Should i try a normal boot this time?
[18:35] <ere4si> yep
[18:36] <OnionSWE> So you think my keyboard is working against me? :=
[18:36] <OnionSWE> :)
[18:36] <doom> you broke it.
[18:36] <ere4si> hehe
[18:37] <ere4si> OnionSWE: there should have been a question or two about your vid card
[18:37] <OnionSWE> ere4si: there wasnt.. just about my keyboard...
[18:38] <OnionSWE> ere4si: stuck at the same place again...
[18:38] <OnionSWE> rebooting...
[18:38] <doom> broke back
[18:38] <doom> mountain
[18:38] <OnionSWE> brocke back
[18:38] <OnionSWE> laptop
[18:39] <doom> broke back 8.04 cd's
[18:39] <doom> guess i'll just have to compile gentoo
[18:39] <ere4si> OnionSWE: that's a 8.04 issue - it sucks with graphics cards atm - I went back to dapper 'cause ofit for my nvidia box
[18:39] <OnionSWE> i have a dapper CD laying around...
[18:40] <doom> 8.04 seems like its on the failboat atm
[18:40] <OnionSWE> couldent i just edit xorg.conf directly in "vi" or what its called...
[18:40] <ere4si> OnionSWE: xorg.conf is diff now
[18:42] <OnionSWE> but if i follow the install openchrome instructions in the commandline interface perhaps that will take care of the problem..?
[18:43] <OnionSWE> i ran the startx command in commandline and it said "fatal server error, no screens found"
[18:43] <ere4si> OnionSWE: in hardy I don't know... I gave up trying to get it working with anything other than defaults - it sux at that imho
[18:44] <ere4si> OnionSWE: that says you need to configure the xserver but you don't get the option to configure the vid card - so it sux...
[18:46] <OnionSWE> im gonna try the install openchrome thing, if that dosent work im trying dapper.. and if that dosent work gothenburg sweden is going to be home to the worlds first flying laptop! :)
[18:46] <ere4si> hehe
[18:47] <ere4si> OnionSWE: there is an option when you boot the cd - repair a system - that takes youto a command line - you can install drivers from there
[18:48] <quittt> what about XXXubuntu someday?
[18:48] <quittt> it would sound very pornographic...
[18:48] <doom> how about you install windows 3.1
[18:48] <doom> and die
[18:49] <OnionSWE> yes that was my thought! Thanks for the help! I'll be back some other day.. Its saturday and time to paaaaarrrrttyyy! (go for a bike ride with my girlfried or else she will be pissed that im spending to much time in front of the computer)
[18:50] <quittt> doom, windows 3.1 is not that bad...
[18:50] <doom> im working on getting my wireless working on it
[18:51] <quittt> doom, hehe, is it really possible?
[18:51] <quittt> but what for?
[18:51] <doom> I haven't touched 3.1 in years and years :)
[18:52] <quittt> haha
[18:52] <doom> think im going to move these machines to gentoo
[18:52] <doom> can't work around this issue with even getting 8.04 installed
[18:54] <ere4si> compile a kernel for gentoo on a windows 3.1 machine - it would take years
[18:55] <doom> it'd be like sasquatch trying to fit in a shoe box
[18:55] <quittt> ere4si, maybe a week
[18:55] <quittt> haha
[18:55] <ere4si> hehe
[18:58] <ere4si> I use dapper server with fluxbox and a few apps on an old pent2 266 and it's pretty quick as a desktop
[18:58] <doom> i heart fluxbox
[18:58] <ere4si> not one comp here without it
[19:56] <HermanChess> the xfce desktop manager really sucks
[19:56] <HermanChess>  is there some very light but much more comfortable alternative?
[19:56] <ere4si> HermanChess: what's it not doing?
[19:58] <HermanChess> ere4si: having decent icons or previews (in the desktop) having the "draging box" with the mouse, I dont know why they left that out
[19:59] <ere4si> HermanChess: have you udated lately?
[19:59] <HermanChess> ere4si: nope
[20:00] <ere4si> HermanChess: in a terminal type   sudo apt-get update     then type    sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:01] <HermanChess> I'm updating now ... with the update manager ere4si
[20:01] <ere4si> k
[20:02] <HermanChess> ere4si:  but I don't that has something to do with it
[20:04] <ere4si> HermanChess: if you're up to date I know where you're working from - you are using 8.04?
[20:05] <HermanChess> ere4si: yeah, I'm up to date now
[20:05] <HermanChess> althoug I must say I have ubuntu but downloaded xfce
[20:06] <ere4si> HermanChess: you should really d/load xubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <HermanChess> ere4si: hmm what's the big advantage? because I've already configured a lot of this xfce
[20:10] <ere4si> HermanChess: xfce on its' own isn't optimized for ubuntu like xubuntu-desktop for a simple answer
[20:10] <HermanChess> ere4si: and .... should I delete xfce first ?
[20:11] <ere4si> HermanChess: I wouldn't  - most files would be the same - the little diffs count
[20:13] <HermanChess> ok installing
[20:23] <HermanChess> ok I'll open my session again and see if there are any changes
[20:45] <PsynoKhi0> heya
[20:46] <PsynoKhi0> has anyone here ever tried to setup a dualboot with Xubuntu and another distro?
[20:47] <ere4si> yep
[20:48] <ere4si> always windows first then linux
[20:49] <Volkodav_> not necessarily
[20:49] <ere4si> for ease of use definitely
[20:49] <PsynoKhi0> in the process of installing DeLi on a Xubuntu box as dualboot
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> my biggest concern is that DeLi uses Lilo
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> and not too fammiliar with cfdisk either
[20:50] <PsynoKhi0> familiar*
[20:52] <PsynoKhi0> I take it that you can recover grub the same way your would in a Windows/(X)ubuntu scenario?
[20:52] <ere4si> lilo will overwrite the mbr same as grub - and you can use the xubuntu livecd to partition before installing dli if you want
[20:52] <ere4si> yes
[23:14] <TheSheep> Package devhelp-book-pygtk2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[23:14] <TheSheep> hmm...
[23:14] <ere4si> I've found that to be a repo issue
[23:16] <TheSheep> ere4si: oh?
[23:16] <TheSheep> ere4si: any workaround?
[23:16] <crimsun> which package?
[23:16] <ere4si> TheSheep: I just enable all repositories
[23:16] <TheSheep> nope, I even searched for it in debian repos, no luck
[23:17] <TheSheep> mayhaps this book is 'palnned' :/
[23:17] <TheSheep> planned
[23:17] <TheSheep> shame, glade3 has nice support for devhelp books
[23:21] <woland> hey
[23:22] <woland> i want to get a similar setup to gnome in terms of panel setup
[23:22] <woland> how can i align an item to the right?
[23:22] <woland> everything i add seems to get aligned left
[23:24] <ere4si> woland: I just right click an applet and select move
[23:28] <Stroganoff> me too


[11:14] <soee> oh, im here :)
[11:15] <mamarley> soee: Thanks, I will start packaging the new driver now.
[11:15] <soee> mamarley: thanks, i can always test them when they are packaged
[11:16] <mamarley> OK, I will post here once I have them in staging.
[11:17] <mamarley> The KDE problem from the last beta could actually be worked around by self-compiling a specific commit of libglvnd and copying the compiled libraries over the ones shipped with the driver.
[11:17] <mamarley> But it should be fixed in this release.
[11:18] <soee> ok
[11:24] <mamarley> Hmm, the changelog doesn't actually mention fixing the KDE issue.  NVIDIA's changelogs haven't always been complete though.
[11:42] <tseliot> mamarley, ricotz: did you add code to support libglvnd? I haven't looked into it yet but I plan to do it soon
[11:43] <mamarley> tseliot: I modified the .install and .links files to support the new files that they ship, but that is all.
[11:43] <tseliot> mamarley: ok, good
[11:44] <ricotz> tseliot, mamarley, might be better to build it from source and drop the prebuilt binary?
[11:44] <ricotz> like vdpau
[11:44] <tseliot> ricotz: libglvnd is not in the archive though
[11:44] <mamarley> I speculate that someday the glvnd lib might be packaged separately, but aaronp indicated that the ABI isn't stable yet, so it is probably a good idea to wait until that happens.
[11:44] <ricotz> then it should be added?
[11:45] <tseliot> unless we have any specific needs, it's probably best if we rely on the binaries for now
[11:46] <ricotz> ok, as you can see with the KDE problem having it separately would be beneficial, but yeah, seems more reasonable now to use the binary
[11:48] <tseliot> if that's a beta, chances are the fix will get into the final release
[11:48] <tjaalton> upstream version for libglvnd is still at 0.0.0... :)
[11:48] <tseliot> heh
[11:49] <mamarley> tseliot: aaronp said the fix would be in the next beta, but the changelog doesn't say anything about it.  I will see in a minute.
[11:49] <tseliot> ok
[12:52] <mamarley> ricotz: tseliot: soee: 361.18 does fix the KDE crashing issue and is ready in my staging PPA: https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[12:52] <soee> mamarley: will test it now
[12:56] <soee> brb
[13:05] <soee> mamarley: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/14/snapshot59.png
[13:10] <soee> mamarley: no crashes, CS:GO works fine on Steam
[13:28] <mamarley> Yay!
[13:48] <tseliot> mamarley: excellent :)
[13:51] <ricotz> nice :)
[14:25] <mamarley> tjaalton: How is xorg-server 1.18 coming along?
[14:44] <tjaalton> mamarley: haven't even started yet