[01:56] <jbicha> robert_ancell: it didn't happen in cosmic either
[01:57] <jbicha> oh never mind, there were updates, it works in ubuntu10
[02:00] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I didn't realize the text had changed, so I updated my translation page
[06:33] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:37] <didrocks> good morning
[06:38] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, didrocks
[06:42] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, didrocks
[06:42] <oSoMoN> happy Friday!
[06:44] <jamesh> hi oSoMoN, duflu
[06:44] <duflu> lo jamesh
[06:48] <oSoMoN> hey jamesh
[06:50] <didrocks> hey duflu, oSoMoN, jamesh happy Friday!
[08:03] <willcooke> morning
[08:03] <willcooke> duflu, are you aware of any palm detection issues on macbooks (running 18.04 upgraded from 17.10)?
[08:04] <duflu> willcooke, nope. I also don't have Ubuntu on a Macbook right now
[08:04] <duflu> But I did prepare USB sticks for that last night :)
[08:04] <willcooke> :)
[08:05] <duflu> willcooke, one note about upgrades though - upgraders are likely to be using the synaptics driver, not libinput
[08:05] <willcooke> Peter (in Design/Web) asked me yesterday, what he described sounded generally like palm detection wasnt working
[08:05] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:05] <willcooke> duflu, ah yeah, that's what I thought
[08:06] <duflu> They can uninstall synaptics and try libinput at their leisure
[08:06] <willcooke> duflu, should I ask him to switch? Or do you know if the macbook needs synaptics?  He has libinput installed, I asked him to check
[08:06] <willcooke> kk, I'll get him to uninstall and see what happens
[08:07] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[08:07] <duflu> willcooke, I have no idea about the state of Macbooks. I have only been working with the Magic Trackpad (on a Lenovo) recently
[08:07] <duflu> And it seems Apple's touchpads change frequently enough that you can't assume the two are similar
[08:08] <willcooke> kk
[08:08] <willcooke> I'll get him to remove and reboot and see what happens
[08:09] <duflu> willcooke, changes like that in https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2018-May/038052.html are bound to the specific device ID, so will not affect Macbooks at all
[08:10] <duflu> Although that's not what you're asking... there is a world of potential difference when switching from one driver to the other
[08:10] <willcooke> easy enough to try it and find out
[08:12] <duflu> willcooke, worth noting also that only synaptics is easy for users to tweak (run synclient)
[08:12] <duflu> *to tweak advanced things like palm rejection
[08:34] <Laney> werd
[08:35] <willcooke> ahoy Laney
[08:36]  * Laney nods willcooke
[08:37] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:38] <Laney> what up didrocks
[08:38] <Laney> WAIT
[08:38] <Laney> (/me checks 'cal')
[08:38] <Laney> happy friday!
[08:38] <Laney> oh, Shell tells me the day, no need to use 1970s unix tools ...
[09:25] <willcooke> Can I start the VPN, copy what I need and disconnect it again quick enough for freenode not to notice?
[09:26] <willcooke> here goes
[09:27] <willcooke> muhahaha
[12:51] <amano> @chrisccoulson: Firefox 60 isn't localized in german for me. And it hasn't for the whole 60-cycle on the firefox-next PPA. Is that a problem with my machine? Or is that known?
[12:51] <ubot5-ng> amano: Error: "chrisccoulson:" is not a valid command.
[12:52] <amano> chrisccoulson, ricotz: Firefox 60 isn't localized in german for me. And it hasn't for the whole 60-cycle on the firefox-next PPA. Is that a problem with my machine? Or is that known?
[13:17] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, any chance you'll publish the chromium-browser 66.0.3359.139 update to {bionic,artful,xenial}-security today?
[16:33]  * Laney fills in some examples on the git wiki page
[16:54] <tsimonq2> Psst, we have #ubuntu-flavors now if anyone is interested. ;)
[17:02] <willcooke> night all
[17:22] <oSoMoN> time for a beer and a week-end
[17:22] <oSoMoN> have a good one everyone


[03:13]  * ogitux waitting ubuntu-meeting start
[03:24] <ogitux> hii persia , elky` when start ubuntu-meeting with Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania thanks before.
[03:24] <lifeless> 5 hours or something I think
[10:02] <ogitux> hii persia , elky, ejat when start ubuntu-meeting with Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania thanks before.
[10:06] <elky> I'm not sure persia will be able to join us, he's in Japan. ejat, freeflying, lifeless
[10:07]  * ejat here ..
[10:07] <ejat> ouch .. persia in japan ? hope he's fine :)
[10:07] <czajkowski> I'm here if you need another board member for numbers - EMEA
[10:08] <elky> We need another one before we meet quorum
[10:08] <elky> (besides you, that is)
[10:08] <czajkowski> have you poked popey or ogra
[10:08] <popey> o/
[10:08] <elky> Not yet, I was giving the members of this board the courtesy of reply for a few minutes.
[10:09] <czajkowski> elky: fair enough thought it was due t start 8 mins ago.
[10:09] <elky> Awesome, lets roll.
[10:10] <elky> ogitux, do you have your pre-prepared introduction ready?
[10:11] <ogitux> elky:  yes I ready
[10:11] <elky> ogitux, could you please paste your introduction then?
[10:12] <ejat> elky: start meeting ?
[10:12] <elky> #startmeeting
[10:12] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:12. The chair is elky.
[10:12] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:12] <elky> [topic] ogitux's application
[10:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogitux's application
[10:13] <ogitux> My name Adnan Kashogi , I Live in Indonesia , why I want join member ubuntu because i want study about environment operating system opensource and first in there now I am study system information faculty on indonesia budiluhur university, else I so work in shipping transportation corporat my job is IT Staff. enough
[10:15] <ejat> anything else to add ..
[10:15] <elky> ogitux, your introduction got cut off at "enough" ... was there more?
[10:16] <ogitux> ejat: elky  enough
[10:16] <elky> ogitux, what are your contributions to the Ubuntu project?
[10:18] <ogitux> yes I has contribute on Ubuntu Loco Team
[10:19] <elky> ogitux, what do you do for the loco team?
[10:21] <elky> ogitux, are you still there?
[10:21] <ogitux> elky: yes
[10:21] <udienz> offline meeting
[10:21] <udienz> ups, wrong channel
[10:21] <elky> ogitux, what do you do for the loco team?
[10:22] <ogitux> elky: manage Administration mailling list, active on irc #ubuntu-id, and offline meeting
[10:22] <czajkowski> ogitux: how are you inovolved http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-id
[10:23] <elky> udienz, are you here to support ogitux?
[10:23] <elky> if you're coaching him on the english to use, maybe it might be worth you giving a testimonial on his behalf :)
[10:23] <udienz> elky, yes. i'm here for ogitux
[10:24] <elky> his english doesn't need to be perfect to be a member, but we do need to hear what he does, and we're a little under-informed at the moment I think
[10:24] <udienz> well, he is a member now. usually only  folks with Membership can administrer
[10:25] <elky> huh?
[10:25] <udienz> but he is very active in IRC, Mailling list
[10:25] <udienz> i mean administer on LP page or under loco.u.c
[10:26] <udienz> sorry for delay :)
[10:27] <ejat> any other thing that he work/contribute ....
[10:29] <lifeless> bah, late - sorry
[10:29] <elky> udienz, i find one email for him in the entire google group, is he posting under a different name?
[10:30] <ogitux> elky: my name on google groups is vmlokal
[10:30] <lifeless> elky: btw, lifeless doesn't grab me - lifeless: does
[10:30] <czajkowski> lifeless: if you're here I can head to a meeting
[10:31] <lifeless> I am here
[10:31] <lifeless> its 2330 but I can stay till 2400
[10:31] <popey> http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/search?group=id-ubuntu&q=vmlokal&qt_g=Search+this+group
[10:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://groups.google.com/group/id-ubuntu/search?group=id-ubuntu&q=vmlokal&qt_g=Search+this+group
[10:31] <popey> I only see one thread
[10:32] <elky> udienz, what does ogitux do with the offline meetings? just attend?
[10:33] <udienz> elky. actually i'm not attend while meeting because ogitux home too far from me. but i hear from others that he is not only attend
[10:34] <udienz> ~500km
[10:34] <elky> udienz, what do others say he does?
[10:35] <udienz> elky, I hear that he come and discussing about Jakarta SubLoco
[10:35] <udienz> maybe 3 times meeting. if i'm not forget
[10:35] <elky> Ok, I'm ready to vote, lifeless: ejat, popey?
[10:36] <lifeless> sure
[10:36] <elky> [vote] ogitux for member?
[10:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  ogitux for member?.
[10:36] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[10:36] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[10:36] <elky> +0
[10:36] <MootBot> Abstention received from elky. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[10:36] <lifeless> +0
[10:36] <MootBot> Abstention received from lifeless. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[10:36] <ejat> +0
[10:36] <MootBot> Abstention received from ejat. 0 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
[10:36] <popey> +0
[10:36] <MootBot> Abstention received from popey. 0 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0
[10:36] <elky> I don't feel like enough has been done. The wiki mentions wanting to do packaging in the future, I strongly recommend going via motu
[10:37] <popey> I agree, its hard to see a significant and sustained contribution
[10:37] <lifeless> ack
[10:37] <popey> if there's contributions we can't see then they need to be more fully documented on the wiki page
[10:38] <elky> !motu
[10:38] <elky> [endvote]
[10:38] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 0 against. 4 abstained. Total: 0
[10:39] <elky> Sorry ogitux.
[10:39] <ogitux> elky: okay thanks
[10:39] <udienz> afaik, to get membership via devepment through ~universe-contributor
[10:39] <elky> shani, are you around?
[10:41] <elky> got an away ping from shani so moving on.
[10:41] <elky> stub is not in the channel?
[10:42] <lifeless> let me grab hinm
[10:42] <popey> just poked him in #lp
[10:42] <elky> ta
[10:43] <elky> [topic] stub's membership application
[10:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  stub's membership application
[10:43] <lifeless> I'm going to recuse myself from voting on stub unless the other board members want me to - he reports to me @work
[10:43] <elky> welcome! introduce yourself :)
[10:44] <elky> lifeless, that would put us below quorum unless you can re-conjour czajkowski or someone else
[10:44] <stub> Hi, I'm Stuart Bishop and I'm unprepared for this meeting
[10:44] <lifeless> czajkowski: persia: yo
[10:44] <stub> I've worked for Canonical since pre-warty on the Launchpad project a developer and DBA
[10:44] <lifeless> elky: its up to you and popey; if you are comfortable that I can be objective enough, I'm happy to vote.
[10:45] <stub> Apart from Launchpad, my main contributions to Ubuntu are in beta testing and bug reporting.
[10:45] <stub> I maintain the pytz Python timezone library
[10:45] <popey> stub: do you do 'formal' testing or is this 'when i find a bug i report it' type testing?
[10:46] <stub> I'm an expat Australian currently living in Bangkok.
[10:46] <stub> When I find a bug, I report it, help diagnose and test fixes.
[10:46] <popey> I can certainly see a lot of bug work
[10:46] <popey> understandably a lot in launchpad
[10:47] <elky> stub, how many languages do you speak/write?
[10:47] <stub> English and some basic Thai.
[10:48] <popey> I have no more questions and am happy to vote whenever
[10:48] <stub> I can read a menu in Thai :)
[10:48] <popey> hah
[10:48] <ejat> stub: do u join thai loco :)
[10:48] <elky> stub, this is the most important part of a language, indeed.
[10:48] <ejat> i mean .. any loco activities ..
[10:48] <stub> I've been involved in the local barcamps. Locos are too advanced for my Thai.
[10:49]  * ejat winks :)
[10:49] <elky> I do of course ask this question because I'm looking at your translations teams/etc
[10:49] <ejat> c00l barcamps ..
[10:49] <elky> Either way, I'm ready to vote also
[10:50] <elky> [vote] stub for membership?
[10:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  stub for membership?.
[10:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[10:50] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[10:50]  * ejat too
[10:50] <elky> +1
[10:50] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[10:50] <ejat> +1
[10:50] <MootBot> +1 received from ejat. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[10:50] <popey> +1
[10:50] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[10:50] <elky> lifeless, your vote is merely a formality :)
[10:50] <popey> bah, you initiated vote just as I went to get a biscuit!
[10:50] <lifeless> +0 [recusing as per above]
[10:50] <MootBot> Abstention received from lifeless. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[10:50] <stub> \o/
[10:50] <popey> thanks for your great work stub, keep it up :)
[10:50] <elky> [endvote]
[10:50] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[10:51] <stub> Thanks!
[10:51] <stub> I'll go get my tattoo then.
[10:52] <ejat> congrate ...
[10:52] <ejat> ubuntu tattoo ? wwooo :)
[10:53] <elky> ubuntuku around under a different nick?
[10:53]  * ejat no i dea
[10:54] <elky> and sadeq doesn't seem to be either
[10:54] <ejat> ubuntuku calling twice ..
[10:55] <elky> We're kind of out of time to process a whole application anyway I think
[10:55] <popey> also sadeq is MIA
[10:55] <ejat> end meeting i guess ..
[10:55] <popey> makes sense
[10:55] <elky> ejat, popey, lifeless: czajkowski, thanks!
[10:56] <elky> [endmeeting]
[10:56] <popey> thanks for chairing elky !
[10:56] <elky> #endmeeting
[10:56] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:56.
[10:56] <ejat> thanks for chairing ..
[10:56] <elky> I *always* fail that.
[10:59] <lifeless> thanks all
[10:59] <ejat> thanks all
[11:00] <dholbach> popey, ready? :)
[11:01] <popey> yup
[11:02] <dholbach> I pinged Greg, but he might still be asleep :)
[11:02] <dholbach> but maybe we can get his opinion or advice over email
[11:02] <dholbach> #startmeeting
[11:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:02. The chair is dholbach.
[11:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:02] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda still lists the ubuntu jobs page as an agenda item
[11:02] <dholbach> popey, do you recall if we had an action item for it the last time?
[11:03] <popey> let me check
[11:04] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/01/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:01
[11:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/03/01/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t21:01
[11:04] <popey> no actions
[11:04] <dholbach> ok, nothing on there
[11:05] <dholbach> [action] dholbach to get more opinions on bug #605969
[11:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dholbach to get more opinions on bug #605969
[11:05] <dholbach> ok, let's crack on
[11:05] <dholbach> [topic] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing
[11:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing
[11:06] <dholbach> (this is the only agenda item I have)
[11:06] <dholbach> we asked for feedback on the ubuntu wiki relicensing and established a period of 4 weeks where we wait for advice and concerns until we move on and finally get the content on the wiki a proper license
[11:06] <popey> we've had a lot of good feedback
[11:07] <dholbach> I'm happy to say that the vast vast majority of the comments all appreciated that we are trying to solve a problem and were delighted by the choice of license (cc-by-sa 3.0)
[11:07] <dholbach> some comments were related to us not trying to get explicit approval of each and every single contributor to the wiki
[11:07] <dholbach> as far as I remember there's been more than 15k contributors to the wiki
[11:08] <dholbach> so it's simply not feasible to try to do that
[11:08] <dholbach> what we're doing is a best efforts attempt at getting everybody's feedback
[11:08] <dholbach> so we mailed every single contributor and also spread the news about it widely
[11:09] <dholbach> the single piece of feedback regarding the license itself was about the "drm clause" that's in cc-by-sa 3.0
[11:09] <dholbach> give me a sec to dig it ou
[11:10] <dholbach> "When You Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work, You may not impose
[11:10] <dholbach> any effective technological measures on the Work that restrict the
[11:10] <dholbach> ability of a recipient of the Work from You to exercise the rights
[11:10] <dholbach> granted to that recipient under the terms of the License."
[11:11] <dholbach> AIUI the concern raised was related to limiting the choice of devices by imposing this clause on users of ubuntu wiki content
[11:11] <dholbach> the solution proposed was to "dual license" the content and remove this clause from the "second license"
[11:12] <dholbach> I don't speak for the CC here, but personally I can see where the concern is coming from and agree that it'd be unfortunate to limit readers of the content
[11:12] <dholbach> unfortunately we don't have folks like greg-g, mdke or mako here who I'm sure would have an opinion on it
[11:12] <dholbach> does anybody have any thoughts related to the point above?
[11:13] <popey> I don't like the idea that we're limiting where people can use the content that community members created
[11:14] <dholbach> yes, I agree
[11:14] <popey> I like the idea that we could generate (for example) a pdf, ebook, epub or whatever format file and distribute that in stores (for free or fee) which have DRM on them
[11:14] <popey> we will of course always make it available in non-DRM formats
[11:14] <dholbach> it'd be nice to get opinions on this specific points (and other related bits) as we haven't received explicit feedback about it via mail yet
[11:15] <popey> but for the widest possible flexibility I don't think we should limit ourselves
[11:15] <popey> agreed
[11:15] <dholbach> even if we can't make a decision about it now (no quorum, etc.), it would at least be good data points to keep the discussion going
[11:15] <dholbach> yes, popey, I agree with you
[11:16] <dholbach> Does anyone have feedback about this topic at all?
[11:18] <elky> I like the dual-licence idea.
[11:18] <dholbach> ok... it seems like there's no additional feedback on this, at least not here - if you have additional data points you want the CC to consider, please mail the CC about it
[11:18] <dholbach> thanks elky
[11:18] <dholbach> popey, maybe we should bring it up in the next CC meeting (with more data points) and aim to make a decision around that time
[11:19] <popey> yup
[11:19] <dholbach> IIRC Greg was pinged about the specific dual-license idea already, so we might have his opinion for the next meeting then
[11:19] <dholbach> great
[11:19] <dholbach> let's move on then
[11:19] <dholbach> [topic] any other business
[11:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other business
[11:21] <dholbach> looks like not :)
[11:22] <popey> heh
[11:22] <dholbach> [action] dholbach to produce team report / minutes and find chair for next meeting
[11:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dholbach to produce team report / minutes and find chair for next meeting
[11:22] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[11:22] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:22.
[11:22] <dholbach> thanks everyone
[11:22]  * dholbach hugs popey
[11:23] <popey> \o/
[11:24] <popey> next meeting 29th at 21:00 UTC?
[11:26] <dholbach> popey, 5th Apr?
[11:26] <dholbach> but, yes, 21:00
[11:26] <dholbach> I don't think we have a fifth thursday of the month rule
[11:27] <popey> ok, I'll chair
[11:27] <dholbach> excellent
[11:27] <dholbach> thanks popey
[11:27] <dholbach> adjourned :)
[11:34] <czajkowski> elky: np sorry couldnt stay meetings called
[16:02] <SpamapS> Tue Mar 15 16:01:58 UTC 2011
[16:02]  * smb thinks that is correct
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <hallyn> \o
[16:03] <SpamapS> |o|
[16:03] <kirkland> o/
[16:04] <ttx> \o
[16:04] <SpamapS> hallyn: did you forget to update the wiki page?
[16:04] <hallyn> who's up?
[16:04] <hallyn> SpamapS: i didnt run the last mtg
[16:05] <hallyn> SpamapS: did you forget to update the wiki page? :)
[16:05] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[16:05] <SpamapS> Looks like smoser o zul did..
[16:06] <zul> that would be smoser
[16:06] <hallyn> the action items look diff from last week's
[16:06] <smoser> i updated this morning
[16:06] <smoser> it is hallyn's turn to lead
[16:06] <SpamapS> ahh right
[16:06] <hallyn> SpamapS: so quit whining
[16:06] <hallyn> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:06. The chair is hallyn.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06] <SpamapS> smoser: you forgot the header update.
[16:06] <Daviey> (sorry i'm late, meeting overan)
[16:06] <SpamapS> thats what confused me
[16:06] <smoser> i did?
[16:06] <hallyn> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:07] <smoser> ah. yes.
[16:08] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:08] <hallyn> Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations
[16:08] <hallyn> Daviey: ^ did that happen?
[16:09] <Daviey> hallyn, defer
[16:09] <Daviey> :(
[16:09] <hallyn> [ACTION] Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred)
[16:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred)
[16:09] <hallyn> thanks
[16:09] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Natty Development
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:09] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: around?
[16:09] <hallyn> bleh
[16:10] <hallyn> robbiew: around?
[16:10] <robbiew> yep
[16:10] <robbiew> in terms of development for Natty
[16:10] <robbiew> nothing huge to bring up
[16:11] <SpamapS> upstart ppa would be good
[16:11] <robbiew> I need to look at the burndowns, but overall (given we're in feature freeze)...we're fine there
[16:11] <robbiew> SpamapS: huh?
[16:11] <SpamapS> Sorry I typed and hit enter before thinking ;)
[16:11] <robbiew> there is an upstart ppa
[16:11] <robbiew> ;)
[16:11] <robbiew> bug wise...there's the eucalyptus/dhcp thing
[16:11] <robbiew> and apparently lxc containers broke with latest openstack updates
[16:11] <robbiew> (per zul)
[16:12] <ttx> yay live migration
[16:12] <robbiew> but no OMG! issues...at least not yet ;)
[16:12] <zul> well i got past that part
[16:12] <Daviey> Eucalyptus bug, dhcpd - is still a major concern.
[16:13] <Daviey> bug #717166
[16:13] <hallyn> Daviey: is everyone who needs to be involved, involved?
[16:13] <Daviey> hallyn, Upstream have been chased - but still no update.
[16:14] <hallyn> no action items to be added here?
[16:14] <Daviey> no.
[16:14] <SpamapS> this is not related to the dhcp server starting before eth0 is up is it?
[16:14] <zul> no
[16:14] <hallyn> robbiew: any more?
[16:15] <robbiew> oh, sorry
[16:15] <robbiew> nope
[16:15] <robbiew> multitasking :/
[16:15] <Daviey> SpamapS, different interface to dhcpd.
[16:15] <hallyn> thanks :)
[16:15] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:15] <hallyn> we're trying to decide on a location for a lxc development mini-conf
[16:16] <hallyn> preferably in august (earlier I can't attend, later is... too late :)
[16:16] <hallyn> any new events?
[16:16] <hallyn> and, btw, should a link to the list of events be on the meeting page or something?
[16:16] <SpamapS> I will be speaking at the mysql UC
[16:17] <SpamapS> en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/
[16:17] <hallyn> date?
[16:17] <SpamapS> April 11 - 14
[16:17] <hallyn> topic? :)
[16:17] <SpamapS> I am speaking on the 13th and will only be ther 13th/14th
[16:17] <SpamapS> "Run Drizzle on Your Narwhal"
[16:17] <hallyn> cool
[16:17] <SpamapS> http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640
[16:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2011/public/schedule/detail/17640
[16:18] <hallyn> oh, hey - ubuntu cloud days counts as an event :)
[16:18] <hallyn> next week wed and thu, be there or be square
[16:18] <zul> Open Stack summit next month as well
[16:18] <hallyn> who all is going?
[16:18] <SpamapS> Right I think thats the next week after the mysql UC
[16:19] <hallyn> zul: are you going to openstack summit?
[16:19] <zul> hallyn: afaik right now yes
[16:19] <hallyn> ok,  anything else?
[16:19] <hallyn> moving on...
[16:19] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:20] <hggdh> we are still blocked on euca
[16:20] <hallyn> the dhcp bug again?
[16:20] <Daviey> yes
[16:20] <hggdh> or still, the bug was open up to last week. I did not receive any updates on it
[16:21] <hggdh> this is starting to be a real issue
[16:21] <hggdh> apart from that, life is good
[16:21] <hggdh> ..
[16:21] <hallyn> any sort of escalation we can do?  (and action here)  or are we jsut stuck waiting?
[16:22] <hggdh> Daviey: ?
[16:22] <Daviey> hallyn, I will post a another follow up, raising urgency
[16:22] <hallyn> [ACTION] Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug
[16:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Daviey: post another followup one euca-dhcp bug
[16:22] <hallyn> thanks Daviey
[16:22] <hallyn> any questions for hggdh ?
[16:23] <hallyn> moving on,
[16:23] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:23] <smb> \o
[16:23] <smb> So last week mainly was
[16:23] <smb> * working on some multipath debugging
[16:24] <smb> * looking into some patches proposed for xen and finding there is much more to do (currently doing that)
[16:24] <smb> smoser, btw all the requested patches are in Natty
[16:24] <smoser> smb, in a archive kernel ?
[16:24] <smoser> or were they already
[16:24] <smb> smoser, So if it does not work there (t1.micro and java) it may be something else
[16:25] <smoser> it does not work. at least last i tested.
[16:25] <smoser> it is extremely easy to test
[16:25] <smb> All patches seemed to be in since 2.6.37
[16:25] <smoser> yeah, i commented in that bug about the version i tested
[16:26] <hallyn> thanks, smb. any questions for him?
[16:26] <smb> Anyway it makes (unfortunately, as it is a lot of work) sense to sync our lucid-ec2 with upstream opensuse
[16:26] <smoser> i verified it was present in vmlinuz-2.6.38-2-virtual
[16:27] <smb> hallyn, one thing was your backports of kvm patches too. Sent them up today and nudged for a second ack for our lucid tree
[16:27] <smoser> smb, there is discussion in bug 732046
[16:27] <hallyn> smb: yup, thanks, saw that
[16:27] <smoser> brought up by loic. we have a need for some -virtual module  or config work
[16:27] <smb> smoser, Yeah, I should look into that probably today
[16:27] <smb> I think its just missing statements in including files
[16:28] <smoser> ?
[16:28] <smoser> i'm confused
[16:28] <smoser> the config defintely needs improving to include filesystem modules
[16:28] <smoser> that is true
[16:28] <hallyn> [ACTION] smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046
[16:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  smb to look into kernel fs modules config for bug 732046
[16:28] <smoser> but the larger issue is the divergence from -server, which i think is inevitable
[16:29] <smb> smoser, I think the problem is that there is the config and the build modules, but I also saw some sort of use-this-for-packaging file
[16:29] <smb> Maybe a bit of a leftover from having virtual not be a real falvour
[16:29] <smoser> ok. well i will certainly defer to you on that.
[16:29] <smoser> going forward, i would ike -vrtual to be
[16:29] <hallyn> can you guys follow up on this offline then?  Sounds like there is some discussion to be had.
[16:29] <smoser> a.) slimmer than -server
[16:30] <smoser> b.) "just work" for as many hypervisors as possible (including built-in)
[16:30] <smoser> sure.
[16:30] <smoser> moving on
[16:30] <hallyn> thanks.  smb, anything else, else i'll move on
[16:30] <smb> I am done
[16:30] <hallyn> thanks
[16:30] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:31] <hallyn> sommer is not here
[16:31] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:31] <hallyn> do we have a proxy for the community?
[16:31] <ivoks> :)
[16:31] <hallyn> we have a volunteer!
[16:32] <kim0> hey guys
[16:32] <kim0> just want to mention
[16:32] <hallyn> ivoks: with natty release coming up...  anything in particular concerning you?
[16:32] <kim0> that cloud days is next Wed 23-24
[16:32] <kim0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays
[16:32] <ivoks> hallyn: add vlan package to CD and possibly instaled by default
[16:32] <kim0> Please spread the news :)
[16:33] <ttx> was wondering about the "Ubuntu Server Task Forces", should we still push that for Natty ?
[16:33] <ttx> Daviey: ^ still on your radar ?
[16:33] <hallyn> ivoks: wasn't there a blueprint regarding vlan?
[16:33] <ivoks> s/instaled/install/
[16:33] <ivoks> i'm not aware of...
[16:33] <SpamapS> kim0: are there open slots for topics?
[16:33] <ivoks> hallyn: i've been out of server development for some time
[16:33] <kim0> SpamapS: We can always increase it
[16:33] <ttx> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-server
[16:33] <kim0> so yes absolutely
[16:33] <Daviey> ttx, yes!
[16:33] <kim0> SpamapS: what would you like to shoot
[16:34] <Daviey> ttx, Will talk out of band to you.
[16:34] <SpamapS> kim0: I was thinking about doing an ensemble demo.
[16:34] <hallyn> SpamapS: cool!
[16:34] <kim0> SpamapS: mm that would be awesome :)
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: indeed
[16:34] <SpamapS> I'll ask the ensemble team if they'd like to be involved.
[16:35] <SpamapS> kim0: will get back to you tomorrow (no need for an ACTION item ;)
[16:35] <ivoks> hallyn: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-virtual-networking ?
[16:35] <kim0> SpamapS: perhaps it could be two sessions .. one explaining concepts, and one a hands on demo
[16:35] <ivoks> hallyn: no, that's not it... this is cloud related
[16:35] <SpamapS> kim0: sure.. I like to start w/ the demo, then explain what sort of black magic we just did. ;)
[16:35]  * kim0 nods
[16:35] <hallyn> ivoks: but that's the one i was thinking i'm afraid
[16:36] <ivoks> hallyn: issue we have is that if you install ubuntu server in an evironment where VLAN is requried to get internet access, you are in pain
[16:36] <ivoks> (at least on lucid, vlan package isn't even on CD)
[16:36] <SpamapS> there's a "vlan" package?
[16:36] <ivoks> yes
[16:37] <hallyn> ivoks: sounds like a good request for UDS-o decision?
[16:37] <SpamapS> I would have thought ifconfig can handle it
[16:37] <ivoks> SpamapS: vconfig
[16:37] <ivoks> and ifconfig is old and obsolete
[16:37] <zul> yes
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> vlan tagging is done by switches, but if you use a linux box to do vlan tagging then yes it is needed
[16:38] <ivoks> hallyn: sure
[16:38] <hallyn> do we have a list of server uds topics started yet, that we could add this to?
[16:39] <zul> hallyn: not yet
[16:39] <ivoks> we had package review every uds; i hope that didn't change :)
[16:39] <zul> oh it has :)
[16:39] <ivoks> it was always best fun :)
[16:40] <hallyn> ok, there seems to be no good place to stash this action right now.  I'll put it in my tickler for may
[16:40]  * ttx has a few ideas for universe demotin that would clear up plenty of CD space.
[16:40] <hallyn> ttx: and youll be bringing those up?
[16:40] <hallyn> at uds?
[16:40] <ttx> hallyn: not sure that would be politically correct, but yes, I'll be there
[16:40] <SpamapS> ttx: we're not getting rid of eucalyptus damnit!
[16:40] <ivoks> :)
[16:40] <ttx> oops.
[16:40] <SpamapS> sheesh.. openstack guys think they invented post-its
[16:40]  * hallyn slaps his forehead
[16:41] <SpamapS> ;)
[16:41] <hallyn> all right, moving on :)
[16:41] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Open Discussio
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussio
[16:41] <hallyn> n
[16:41] <hallyn> DST is not a valid topic.  anything else?
[16:41] <SpamapS> Does anyone feel that the meeting format needs some streamlining?
[16:41] <hallyn> nah
[16:42] <ivoks> can't tell... this is my first in a long time
[16:42] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:42] <hallyn> Tuesday, March 22 2011 16:00 UTC
[16:42] <hallyn> thanks, everyone
[16:42] <hallyn> #endmeeting
[16:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:42.
[16:42] <ivoks> thank you
[16:42] <SpamapS> Ok.. I hallyn nice!
[16:42] <SpamapS> hahaha
[16:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: ?
[16:43] <SpamapS> I meant to say "I digress"
[16:43] <hallyn> :)
[16:43] <SpamapS> and then  hallyn: nice!
[16:43] <ttx> SpamapS: your mind goes faster than your fingers.
[16:43] <SpamapS> ttx: like a robot monkey w/ a new battery
[16:44] <hallyn> that's bc he keeps getting marshmellows stuck in his keys
[16:44] <hallyn> (sorry, got the munchies)
[16:45] <kim0> SpamapS: It would be great if you can write a getting-started page describing how ensemble formulas interact, in a way a newbie can understand. I'll be happy to help with that also
[16:46] <SpamapS> kim0: indeed.. thats on the list for sure. :)
[16:46] <kim0> awesome :)
[16:58] <JayFo> \o/
[16:59] <apw> o/
[16:59] <ppisati> o/
[16:59] <cking> o/
[16:59] <smb> o/
[16:59] <herton> o/
[16:59] <JFo> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[17:00] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <bjf> #       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf)
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (bjf)
[17:00] <bjf>   * The Kernel team has a new ARM developer.
[17:00] <bjf>   * The existing MVL Dove regression has been resolved and a new package will be uploaded.
[17:00] <bjf> ..
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (9 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 8 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 22 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[17:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * 7 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * 71 Linux Bugs (up 2)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * 94 Linux Bugs (no change)
[17:01] <JFo> [17:01] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[17:01] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[17:01] <JFo> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:02] <JFo> * Andy and I will review the remaining items to see if any will be postponed.
[17:02] <JFo> Additionally, I will be finishing up several that have been put off of completion
[17:02] <JFo> due to other priorities taking precedence.
[17:02] <JFo> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw)
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: General Natty (apw)
[17:02] <apw> The natty kernel is now at v2.6.38-6.34 (v2.6.38-rc8 based).  We have had some instability due to compiler changes from Linaro, but seem to be coming out the other side.  v2.6.38 dropped today and kernels are in test prior to upload.  We remain concentrated on bug squashing for Natty.  One area of concern is an interaction between vesafb and drmfb during boot, in some cases we are triggering gpu hangs; a prototype startup wherein we load vesafb later
[17:02] <apw> is in test.  We are closing in on Beta-1 freeze which is a week on thursday.
[17:02] <apw> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf)
[17:03] <bjf>  * This week is the start of yet another stable kernel release cycle. I'm in the process of getting git repos in shape and packages put together.
[17:03] <bjf> .
[17:03] <bjf>  * A request for feedback has gone out regarding the kernel SRU workflow. The proposal can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/kernel-sru-workflow
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:03] <bjf> || Package                                    || Upd/Sec              || Proposed             ||  TiP || Verified ||
[17:03] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:03] <bjf> || dapper   linux-source-2.6.15               || 2.6.15-55.93         || 2.6.15-57.94         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:03] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>            || <IP_ADDRESS>            ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:03] <bjf> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.15    || 2.6.15-55.13         || 2.6.15-57.15         ||    0 ||        0 ||
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[17:04] <bjf> || hardy    linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.30         || <IP_ADDRESS>.31         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.24-28.86         || 2.6.24-29.87         ||    1 ||        1 ||
[17:04] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:04] <bjf> || karmic   linux-ec2                         || 2.6.31-307.27        || 2.6.31-308.28        ||    2 ||        2 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-ports-meta                  || <IP_ADDRESS>.18         || <IP_ADDRESS>.19         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.31-22.73         || 2.6.31-23.74         ||    1 ||        1 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.31    || 2.6.31-22.24         || 2.6.31-23.25         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.35         || <IP_ADDRESS>.36         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-ec2                    || <IP_ADDRESS>7.6         || <IP_ADDRESS>8.7         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> ||                                            ||                      ||                      ||      ||          ||
[17:04] <bjf> || lucid    linux-ports-meta                  || <IP_ADDRESS>.22         || <IP_ADDRESS>.23         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-mvl-dove                    || 2.6.32-211.27        || 2.6.32-214.30        ||   20 ||       20 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               || <IP_ADDRESS>.12        || <IP_ADDRESS>.15        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.32    || 2.6.32-29.28         || 2.6.32-30.29         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.34.4               || 1.34.7               ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.32-29.58         || 2.6.32-30.59         ||    3 ||        3 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-fsl-imx51                   || 2.6.31-608.22        || 2.6.31-608.25        ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:04] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.35         || <IP_ADDRESS>.36         ||    0 ||        0 ||
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[17:05] <bjf> || maverick linux-ports-meta                  || <IP_ADDRESS>.21         || <IP_ADDRESS>.21         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux-mvl-dove                    ||                      || 2.6.32-414.30        ||    9 ||        9 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta-mvl-dove               ||                      || <IP_ADDRESS>4.4         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux-firmware                    || 1.38.4               || 1.38.5               ||    1 ||        1 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux                             || 2.6.35-27.48         || 2.6.35-28.49         ||    4 ||        4 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux-backports-modules-2.6.35    || 2.6.35-27.18         || 2.6.35-28.19         ||    0 ||        0 ||
[17:05] <bjf> || ---      linux-meta                        || <IP_ADDRESS>.35         || <IP_ADDRESS>.36         ||    0 ||        0 ||
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[17:05] <bjf> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: HW Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: HW Cert. Team  (ara)
[17:05] <ara> Hello!
[17:05] <ara> This week we finised testing both the Maverick and the Lucid kernel. Results are publicly available:
[17:05] <ara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/wk10_2011/lucid-proposed.html
[17:05] <ara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/wk10_2011/maverick-proposed.html
[17:05] <ara> All the 75 systems passed the SRU tests (the minor errors are problems with the script themselves).
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/wk10_2011/lucid-proposed.html
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/sru-testing/wk10_2011/maverick-proposed.html
[17:05] <ara> So, from our side, they are good to go.
[17:05] <ara> We updated the tracking bugs with this information as well.
[17:05] <ara> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:06] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:06] <JFo>  297 Natty Bugs (up 72)
[17:06] <JFo>  1218 Maverick Bugs (up 18)
[17:06] <JFo>  1034 Lucid Bugs (up 3)
[17:06] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo>   * 40 maverick bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 74 lucid bugs (down 2)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 7 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo>   * 131 natty bugs (up 37)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 240 maverick bugs (up 6)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 221 lucid bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 38 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo> [17:06] <JFo>   * 5 natty bugs (up 4)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 0 maverick bugs (no change)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 1 lucid bugs (up 1)
[17:06] <JFo>   * 0 karmic bug (no change)
[17:06] <JFo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:07] <JFo> Last week's bug day was a success. We had several individuals helping to triage
[17:07] <JFo> new state bugs and we got a number of them triaged and into the proper status.
[17:07] <JFo> The next bug day will be next Tuesday. The focus will be on bugs in the confirmed state.
[17:07] <JFo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[17:07] <JFo> There is always tremendous interest in having me look at a particular bug here and there.
[17:07] <JFo> I am stillworking to get these interested parties to approach me in the pulblic channel
[17:07] <JFo> versus currently getting pinged in private windows.
[17:07] <JFo> We have had some further interest in working bugs from individuals geared toward beginning
[17:07] <JFo> device driver and module work. As much as it pains me, we had to explain that bugs were
[17:07] <JFo> likely not the best way to go to get into module development. :-)
[17:07] <JFo> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:08] <bjf> welcome back ogasawara !!!
[17:09] <ogasawara> :)
[17:09] <JFo> woo hoo!!!
[17:09] <JFo> :)
[17:09] <cking> yay
[17:09] <smb> \o/
[17:09] <ara> ogasawara, welcome back!
[17:09] <apw> :)
[17:09] <Sarvatt> \o/ welcome back!
[17:09] <apw> we can all take a vaction now
[17:09] <ppisati> hi :)
[17:09] <JFo> oh thank god
[17:09]  * JFo passes out
[17:10] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:10] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:10.
[17:10] <JFo> thanks bjf
[17:10] <ara> thanks bjf
[21:14] <JanC> will there be a loco-council meeting?
[21:15] <JanC> czajkowski: ^^^ ?
[21:15] <czajkowski> JanC: on a podcast!
[21:16] <czajkowski> with popey
[21:16] <czajkowski> 4 others not here...
[21:17] <JanC> czajkowski: let me know when the meeting gets rescheduled?  ☺
[21:18] <czajkowski> next month
[21:20] <huats> am I late ?
[21:20] <huats> I am sure I am...
[21:20] <huats> sorry about that
[21:21] <YoBoY> huats: seems everyone was late, meeting rescheduled next month
[21:21] <huats> YoBoY, oh... thanks :)
[21:22] <YoBoY> de rien président :)
[21:22] <khrm> Good. I am going to sleep.


[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:19] <ducasse> good morning
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu , the trivia channel :p
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje: a littlee help with kimmy please?
[14:28] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: which is why I pinged the !ot on them... they do this daily
[14:29] <oerheks> yes, this dude is regular
[14:30] <pragmaticenigma> mm hmm
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> and they really weren't looking for help... they post links and bait them like that to get people to look at it
[14:31] <oerheks> not clicking bitcoin pdf
[14:31] <oerheks> grinn
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> Less you want to be co-opted into some bitcoin mining
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> we need a !clickbate instead of !danger these days
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> !danger
[14:34] <oerheks> carefull with URLs given in this channel. paste.ubuntu.com uses no JS.
[14:34] <oerheks> *hips*
[14:34]  * oerheks putting sandwiches/cheese on the grill
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> good idea oerheks
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> I'm assuming the VPn is because they're setting up a seedbox
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Most links I open in Tor browser, if only to avoid someone easily pulling my IP address
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> and it has JS blocking enabled
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Us: Would you like that in Black or Gold Aadam? Aadam: Yes
[14:43] <oerheks> :-P
[14:43] <oerheks> i want to write .. tell me
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> I'm guessing he's one of those trying to make a quick buck at the ol' link farm types
[14:44] <pragmaticenigma> We need tutorials so we can load the page up with thousands of adverts
[14:44] <ducasse> why create a wiki on something you don't know how to do?
[14:44] <oerheks> cookies!
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> because they think that somehow everyone will flock to their "no fun" christian proxying service
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> I'm surprised they allow Ubuntu and Arch... they have demons.. err, I mean daemons in them
[14:54] <oerheks> yeah
[14:54] <oerheks> a system deamon
[14:54] <oerheks> systemd
[14:55] <Ussat> well, look, systemD is pretty evil.....
[14:56] <Ussat> maby not THE devil, but
[14:57] <Ussat> and I am pretty sure Lennart hasd performed a black mass or two
[14:57] <Ussat> has
[17:14] <leftyfb> oerheks: "<oerheks> such upgrade path is not supported" huh? That is the most supported upgrade path there is. LTS -> LTS
[17:21] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I think the comment was based on the failure that occurred during the update, and being able to recover the limbo state?
[17:35] <oerheks> leftyfb, on AWS?
[17:35] <oerheks> just got back from cooking diner
[17:36] <leftyfb> Oh right, that I’m not sure of
[17:36] <leftyfb> They use their AMI images right?
[17:36] <oerheks> yes, also i suggested ##aws
[17:37] <oerheks> vpn and vps upgrades, specialist support
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> vielfarbig: I am unable to reproduce your seg-fault in an instance of Ubuntu running as a host
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> vielfarbig: what ever is causing the seg fault... has to do with the environment that you have setup
[18:52] <vielfarbig> pragmaticenigma: Have you tried it with Ubuntu 18.04 as a ltsp 2019 client
[18:52] <vielfarbig> pragmaticenigma: On the Ubuntu 18.04 host I also not get a segfault
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> right, which would mean that something in the host environment for Ubuntu (ltsp 2019 in your case) is causing the behavior... not ubuntu
[18:55] <vielfarbig> pragmaticenigma: Do you know how i can determine the cause of this segfault? I've tried to debug it with gdb, apport-bug and strace, but I had no success
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> vielfarbig: I suspect the debugger has to be implemented in the ltsp environment
[19:00] <vielfarbig> pragmaticenigma: So all tools from the host system are basically available, but e. g. "gdb sudo /bin/echo Test" says that the core was not dumped and with "list" inside gdb i says that no symbol table was found
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> vielfarbig: I'm not an expert in this sort of stuff... There's so much going on with STDOUT, STDIN, STDERR going here... I don't know how things are sent to those I/Os when sudo is requesting passwords
[19:04] <sarnold> sudo should be opening the terminal device directly
[19:06] <vielfarbig> Ok. So I've read that one can see the called syscalls with strace, but with "strace sudo /bin/echo Test" the Segfault did not throw but the exit status is 1
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic eoan
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> interesting facts: https://ubuntu.com/blog/design-and-web-team-summary-14-february-2020
[19:44] <leftyfb> "JordiGH> And let's tell HN about this."   who is HN?
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> hacker news
[19:45] <leftyfb> :/
[19:45] <leftyfb> lame
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> y-combinator ... i don't even know who reads that anymore
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> I took it off my feed lists when all it was doing is repeating everything that came in through slashdot
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> and ars
[19:46] <leftyfb> oh, found another way of disabling it. sed -i "s/ENABLED=1/ENABLED=0/" /etc/default/motd-news
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> oh yeah
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> that works too
[19:48] <sarnold> this is my favourite way to read HN http://n-gate.com/
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> interesting
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> looks like a kindergarten home page
[19:51] <sarnold> lol
[23:17] <xln> Quick q. Whats the current situation with grub and luks2
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> wasn't aware there was a situation
[23:20] <oerheks> As of January 10th 2020, GRUB supports LUKS2 https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/grub.git/commit/?id=365e0cc3e7e44151c14dd29514c2f870b49f9755
[23:29] <xln> Any ideas if that exists in 19.10 ?
[23:31] <oerheks> cryptsetup 2.0in 19.10 ?
[23:31] <oerheks> you can look that up on launchpad
[23:32] <xln> thanks :)


 I can only use the interet if I know the ip address, otherwise I'm stuck. I've tried killing and disabling dnsmasq, but I still can't get internet to work.
[03:48] <ripps_cr48> I've already tried commenting out dns=dnsmasq in NetworkManager.conf, and then restarting network-manager. But, it still doesn't work. At this point, I can't even update my computer. Is there a bad package that caused this? It was working before I updated my computer and restarted.
[08:34] <zorael> Can anyone confirm that the proprietary nvidia driver still doesn't work well/at all with quantal xorg?
[12:43] <Varikonniemi> when will the 12.10 daily build alternative installs be available?
[12:43] <Varikonniemi> i think it is a shame mdadm does not come optional in the desktop version like in fedora
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:01] <philinux> BluesKaj: Hiya, have you tried to run libreoffice at all?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> philinux, yes i tried a couple of small tests on it, seemed fine , but that's no guarantee all be well with your setup.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> philinux, I've heard very few negatives about LO though.
[13:06] <philinux> BluesKaj: clean install but fails to run.
[13:08] <philinux> errors from terminal too
[13:08] <BluesKaj> philinux, have you tried from the command line to see what fails
[13:10] <philinux> BluesKaj: yep same https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1029464
[13:10] <philinux> I've added my terminal errors to the bug
[13:14] <BluesKaj> philinux, which desktop ?
[13:14] <philinux> BluesKaj: unity 64 bit
[13:19] <BluesKaj> philinux, looks like a system call is failing , something Iknow very little about
[13:20] <philinux> BluesKaj: so yours works. Was it an upgrade or clean install
[13:21] <BluesKaj> yes philinux , but i run kde , so my setup is obviously different
[13:22] <philinux> Ah ok. Sit back and wait for a fix then
[13:22] <BluesKaj> philinux, have you upgraded lately ?
[13:22] <philinux> BluesKaj: Every day lol
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok :)
[13:23] <philinux> Sometimes twice a day ;)
[15:45] <CharlieSu> Has anyone experienced this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/967410
[18:31] <dupondje> Which filesystems can you make on raw disks (without partitions)?
[18:36] <penguin42> most I think
[18:38] <dupondje> penguin42: you know if there is some documentation on this ?
[18:39] <dupondje> its really partitionless right? Its not that the partition or something is hidden right? :)
[18:39] <genii-around> You can just do like mkfs.whatever /dev/sda  for instance
[18:40] <dupondje> genii-around: I know that works for XFS, but does not for extX I tought?
[18:40] <genii-around> Well, I wouldn't do it there on sda since the MBR will be overwritten. But others, sure
[18:41] <genii-around> dupondje: We have several hd here formatted this way in ext3, also we reduce superuser-reserved space to almost nothing
[18:42] <dupondje> genii-around: oh ok :) you know if there is some documentation on the internal working of it ?
[18:42] <dupondje> i'm right that there is no single partition involved in it? (even not a hidden one or so ...)
[18:43] <penguin42> dupondje: Yeh it works on ext just fine - I'm not sure the installer would let you do it through the GUI etc though
[18:43] <penguin42> dupondje: and don't try and boot off that drive
[18:44] <genii-around> dupondje: I'm not aware of any documentation on the subject... however, empirically I know this works.
[18:46] <penguin42> dupondje: The rule as far as I know is that a filesystem must be on a block device; raw disks are block devices, so are partitions
[18:46] <penguin42> ...or a loop back that although it's a file pretends to be a block device
[18:46] <genii-around> Since the automounter tries to deduce what fs to try from partition type, this doesn't work. But if you just specify in fstab the entire drive like sdb and fs there, it mounts fine. You can also fsck it like normal
[18:50] <dupondje> ok thanks for the information :)
[18:52] <penguin42> dupondje: Now, why do you want to do it?
[18:54] <dupondje> penguin42: Take a virtual server, a 50GB disk, with 1 partition mounted
[18:54] <dupondje> now you want to resize it to 100GB
[18:54] <dupondje> with a partition, you need to resize the partition, and yep ... REBOOT
[18:55] <dupondje> without a partition, you can resize, resize the filesystem
[18:55] <dupondje> and indeed, NO reboot :)
[18:55] <penguin42> dupondje: Ah right
[18:55] <penguin42> dupondje: You can use lvm on the disk
[18:56] <dupondje> but if you pvcreate  on a partition, you have same issue ... :)
[18:56] <penguin42> right, but you can pvcreate on the raw disk
[18:56] <penguin42> dupondje: I think there was some work to try and allow resize of a partition while active - I don't know how far it got
[18:57] <penguin42> dupondje: Also, out of interest, which VM system are you using and does it just detect the grown disk transparently?
[18:57] <dupondje> penguin42: on raw disk indeed, but thats partitionless also :) so see my original question
[18:57] <penguin42> dupondje: lvm on raw disk is less unusual than filesystem on raw disk
[18:58] <dupondje> ESXi, doesn't detect change automaticly, but you can force a rescan trough /sys/class/scsi_device/device/rescan :)
[18:58] <penguin42> nod
[18:58] <dupondje> then pvresize on the disk, and its ALL RIGHT :)
[18:58] <penguin42> yep
[20:32] <genii-around> Is there any word on when/if the nvidia driver will work soon with xorg again?
[20:33] <bekks> genii-around: It works, here.
[20:35] <trism> bekks: *starts firefox, crashes xorg* not quite
[20:35] <genii-around> bekks: As late as yesterday I was still getting booted back to lightdm every time. Had to switch to the nouveau which has a lot of tearing here on fullscreen playback, etc. I did see there was an xorg update today though, perhaps I'll try again
[20:36] <genii-around> trism: In my case with Kubuntu, as soon as plasma-desktop finishes loading... boom back to the dm
[20:36] <genii-around> No chance to fire up anything, let alone firefox....
[20:37] <trism> genii-around: yeah same here if I try to start unity, this is from the (no effects) gnome-panel session
[20:38] <genii-around> Hm. Guess I'll stay with the nouveau for now until it's sorted then.
[20:38] <trism> genii-around: keeping an eye on new nvidia releases but haven't seen anything yet
[20:52] <ianliu> After upgrading, I cant login anymore. Lightdm do appear, but after I type in my pass, it returns to lightdm. The same happens if I start gdm from a TTY
[20:53] <penguin42> ianliu: Will it let you choose Ubuntu2d and log in?
[20:53] <ianliu> penguin42: no, there is no Ubuntu 2d anymore
[20:54] <genii-around> ianliu: Are you using nvidia ?
[20:54] <ianliu> genii-around: yes, I have NVIDIA
[20:55] <genii-around> ianliu: If you are running the proprietary driver I would suggest to revert to nouveau for the time being... there is currently a problem with nvidia-current and xorg
[20:56] <ianliu> genii-around: I see. Do you know how I do this with the command line?
[20:57] <ianliu> I'm actually stuck in a TTY as I can't login
[20:58] <genii-around> ianliu: sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current    . Then as well, if you have something like nomodeset in your grub setup, to remove that from /etc/default/grub  and do sudo update-grub
[20:58] <genii-around> ianliu: If you have also an xorg.conf in /etc/X11  to rename it for the time being also
[21:01] <penguin42> ianliu: I'm not sure of the syntax but you should be able to do it with jockey-text if you installed it via additional-drivers
[21:01] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah the nouveau driver is doing the job here ok
[21:02] <ianliu> genii-around: I've uninstalled all nvidia packages in my machine, I will reboot. thanks!
[21:48] <icewalls123> hi people
[23:38] <axiomfinity> the unity dock should be more like os/x
[23:39] <axiomfinity> hierarchal menus
[23:53] <axiomfinity> yada yada