[00:00] <bdizzle> is there an easier way to make files? I've had maybe 1 out of 10 packages actually work with /.configure, make, and make install
[00:00] <hi> #kubuntu-es for clickability
[00:00] <fitoria> i in there :P
[00:01] <bleaked> I just want to share with everyone that after the last week of updates from the hardy-proposed and hardy-backports repos, my installation of kubuntu 8.04 works with no visible flaws, bugs, or problems.  (and this is an older custom-built pc, with a troublesome ATI card, and running full desktop effects) -- So I just want to sincerely thank everyone for all of their efforts, be it large or small, on this project.
[00:03] <v6lur> bleaked: then pray that following updates don't break anything ;)
[00:03] <bleaked> indeed :D
[00:03] <v6lur> as happened on my old (and crappy) laptop
[00:04] <hi> bleaked: expect regressions :P no seriously, that's very gracious of you and i'm sure it's appreciated by anyone reading that who's helped out.
[00:05] <bdizzle> how often do updates come out?
[00:05] <jussi01> does anyone know where I could get an equivalent of obsidian coast kde4 colour scheme, but for kde3 ?
[00:06] <bleaked> bdizzle: depends.. i have the above mentioned repositories enabled, which both tend to have daily updates..
[00:06] <bdizzle> Robeson08
[00:06] <bdizzle> gah, wrong thing
[00:07] <bdizzle> at least the good thing is that Ubuntu doesn't nag and force you to update your computer
[00:07] <bdizzle> its just a nice little icon in the corner
[00:07] <wesley> !adeptfix
[00:08] <grout> how do i enable wobbly windows and stuff in kubuntu kde4?
[00:09] <bdizzle> don't know how in KDE4, but wouldn't it be the same in KDE3?
[00:09] <bdizzle> of selecting advance desktop effects and go from there?
[00:09] <grout> is it in system settings?
[00:10] <bdizzle> if you have the advanced desktop effects in, it would be under K-Menu -> Settings
[00:10] <bdizzle> and then make sure that under desktop effects - K-menu -> System, that it is set to custom
[00:13] <bdizzle> oh, and does anyone know an equivalent program to Dev C++ and Origin?
[00:20] <hi> grout: install desktop-effects-kde
[00:20] <hi> it has one-click setup options that rock my world
[00:21] <hi> advanced desktop effects is pretty buggy imho still
[00:21] <bdizzle> true
[00:21] <bdizzle> I still can't figure out how to get the cube to work
[00:21] <hi> though needed for settings, it's just a tad overwhelming for new folks
[00:22] <hi> bdizzle: install the above, but also simple-ccsm
[00:22] <sFEARs> yo
[00:22]  * hi is a compiz fiend
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Okay, I'm having trouble installing a program.. can someone help me?
[00:23] <hi> redshadowhero: maybe, details?
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Its a cisco VPN client for the user of this computer.
[00:23] <hi> ah
[00:23] <redshadowhero> Yeah..
[00:24] <redshadowhero> It has a shell script that comes with it called "vpn_install", but it gives errors when I execute it.
[00:25] <bdizzle> so to get the cube, I want 4 desktop columns and 1 row, or 4 rows and 1 column?
[00:25] <hi> 1 row, 4 columns
[00:25] <hi> good question
[00:26] <hi> for the panel mode, i had to set 2row, 2 columns before it would work which through me for a loop at first. i hope that bug is fixed soon... deters folks
[00:26] <redshadowhero> Oh, and here is the errors that come with the installation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11034/
[00:27] <bdizzle> what is error SIGSERV?
[00:28] <bdizzle> sorry, SIGSEGV
[00:28] <hi> ah, SIGSEGV is a segmentation fault.
[00:28] <bdizzle> i get those frequently
[00:28] <hi> that shouldn't ever happen
[00:28] <hi> that said, it does :)
[00:30] <redshadowhero> So... nobody has any ideas here?
[00:34] <hi> it's not really a kubuntu issue, and i personally dislike cisco's vpn so i'm not inclined to google those errors for you since i have no clue. maybe someone else will see that, but you'd have better luck approaching cisco support
[00:34] <hi> they'd (hopefullly) know why their product is segfaulting on you
[00:35] <bdizzle> usually I get SIGSEGV on Kicker somehow
[00:35] <hi> dbizzle: ditto
[00:36] <redshadowhero> I know it isn't a kubuntu issue, but I was hoping that someone could help me.
[00:36] <stdin> redshadowhero: tell them to update their software? it's out of date
[00:36] <bdizzle> which is frustrating, since it won't reload my icons next to the clock, which is kinda needed for laptop battery and such
[00:36] <redshadowhero> Like it or not, its what NASA gives us for the linux VPN client
[00:36] <hi> redshadowhero: yeah, i know you know that, i'm just sorry i can't help and was advising other avenues
[00:36] <hi> lol, seriously!?
[00:37] <redshadowhero> Yup. Its the nasa client. As to the version.. we rarely pick up the client updates for linux.
[00:37] <hi> what's with every large organization using this thing!? an uname insurance company i did work for a few weeks ago has this on everyone's computers... it's always been buggy
[00:37] <redshadowhero> I suppose I could ask my boss to check on that.
[00:37] <hi> *unnamed
[00:37] <redshadowhero> Eh.. I don't care as long as it works for me.
[00:38] <bdizzle> does anyone else know of a program to replace and or be compatible with Origin? I've tried LabPlot, but the files for the newest version aren't in the repositories at all, which surprises me
[00:38] <stdin> redshadowhero: try "sudo touch /use/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/config.h" and edit /home/vellakd/Desktop/VPN/vpnclient/GenDefs.h to remove the struct uintptr_t
[00:39] <hi> wow, where did that come from stdin? lol
[00:39] <stdin> hi: from looking at the error message, where else ;)
[00:39] <hi> ;)
[00:40] <stdin> redshadowhero: line 40, add /* before and */ after
[00:40] <stdin> or just remove the line
[00:40] <stdin> erm, line 113 actually
[00:40] <redshadowhero> stdin: the touch command fails. The directory doesn't exist.
[00:41] <stdin> then install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[00:41] <stdin> you'll need it
[00:41] <redshadowhero> alright.
[00:41] <redshadowhero> with apt-get, right?
[00:41] <stdin> yep
[00:41] <redshadowhero> Give me a sec.
[00:42] <stdin> redshadowhero: ahh, wait, typo
[00:42] <stdin> redshadowhero: /usr
[00:42] <redshadowhero> usr, right?
[00:42] <redshadowhero> :P
[00:42] <redshadowhero> I saw that.
[00:42] <redshadowhero> But I'll get the headers just in case.
[00:42] <stdin> it's 00:42, I'm aloud a typo :)
[00:43] <redshadowhero> I have the latest headers already, and changing it to usr fixed that.
[00:43] <monkeybritches> At 2:30 we're cutting you off. No more typos for you.
[00:44] <hi> stdin: from uk i take it?
[00:44] <stdin> seeing as I'm typing at night, in the dark, I'm doing well
[00:44] <stdin> hi: yep
[00:45] <redshadowhero> does anyone remember the vi command for 'go to line'?
[00:46]  * redshadowhero has forgotten
[00:46]  * hi finds the GUI in kwrite more intuitive
[00:46] <bdizzle> vi?
[00:46] <mike-kubuntu> hey, during boot up it keeps taking me to tty1 after the initial section of a bouncing back and forth blue bar instead of a bootup bar, then it takes me into kdm and there are no warnings printed, only tips i've found in the forums is that someone else claimed it started when they installed kde4, but removing kde4 didn't make it go away
[00:46] <bdizzle> I just use Kate instead to edit files as root
[00:47] <redshadowhero> Eh.. nevermind then. I'll just search for the struct in question.
[00:47] <stdin> redshadowhero: may also be a typedef
[00:48] <stdin> bdizzle: vi or vim is pure evil, that's all you need to know ;P
[00:48] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/228432
[00:48] <hi> stdin: vivivi = 666?
[00:49] <stdin> precisely
[00:49] <wesley> stdin kde 4.0.3 got the same problems with Qt 4.4 installed
[00:49] <fabio_> o
[00:49] <hi> sounds like the talk of someone using a tool Generally Not Used, Except by Middle-Aged Computer Scientists
[00:49] <hi> ;)
[00:50] <hi> (GNU EMACS to spell it out)
[00:50] <Jes___Wy__> i had an emac
[00:50] <hi> lol
[00:51] <redshadowhero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11037/
[00:51] <stdin> if I'm in the cli I'll use nano, else I'll use kate/kdevelop
[00:51] <hi> ditto
[00:51] <redshadowhero> stdin: uh.. what do I comment out there?
[00:51] <hi> i find nano a tad more intuitive
[00:51] <Jes___Wy__> i have a question
[00:52] <stdin> redshadowhero: change "typedef uint32 uintptr_t;" to "/* typedef uint32 uintptr_t; */"
[00:52] <redshadowhero> Emacs is an ecellent operating system, lacking only a decent text editor.
[00:52] <hi> ah, red is highly initiated then :)
[00:52] <hi> lol
[00:52] <Jes___Wy__> do people that create linux versions rewire other linux versions?
[00:53] <Jes___Wy__> if i were to create a substandardgameco linux version
[00:53] <Jes___Wy__> hello?
[00:54] <redshadowhero> stdin: I did the changes.. and it didn't work =_=
[00:54] <stdin> redshadowhero: same error or different?
[00:54] <redshadowhero> lemme pastebin it.
[00:54] <stdin> Jes___Wy__: huh?
[00:55] <redshadowhero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11038/
[00:56] <Jes___Wy__> do i have your permission to look at that page?
[00:57] <stdin> Jes___Wy__: public channel, click where ever you like :)
[00:57] <Jes___Wy__> ehnahe ha
[00:57] <stdin> redshadowhero: that's just down to it being out of date, unless you know C and are willing to rewrite the app, you're stuck
[00:58] <redshadowhero> stdin: I kinda figured as much when it started popping out errors. I'll just request to my boss that we get the latest version, because he has access to the cisco site for this sort of thing, not me.
[00:59] <redshadowhero> stdin: but, thank you anyway for your time.
[00:59] <stdin> redshadowhero: no problem, I practically live here anyway :)
[01:00] <redshadowhero> stdin: I noticed :P You've helped me with my last 3 kubuntu-related problems
[01:00] <stdin> !helpersnack | stdin
[01:01] <stdin> heh
[01:02] <hi> is there a set of larger cursor icons available for kubuntu?
[01:02] <hi> i have a 1920x1200x17" laptop and the defaults are microscopic
[01:03] <redshadowhero> Oh, and another question (more for me than anything else)
[01:03] <redshadowhero> How hard is it to make an active directory server that allows windows xp, kubuntu 8.04 and macs to join it?
[01:03] <redshadowhero> Oh, and the AD server would be running ubuntu server.
[01:05] <stdin> hi: check the repos, or try kde-look.org
[01:06] <stdin> redshadowhero: honestly, no clue. I've managed to steer clear of active directory so far and I plan on keeping it that way ;)
[01:06] <hi> ah, so i'd just download larger images then basically it sounds like. just wanted to make sure i wasn't re-inventing the wheel if there was a setting i missed.
[01:06]  * hi checks repos
[01:07] <redshadowhero> Oh.. well, I want to put a server in the house here that would allow those types of computers (each person prefers a different OS in this house) to be connected to it, and have the printer managed by that server... what do your reccommend?
[01:09] <hi> not sure i follow, but all the operatings systems support IP printing
[01:09] <hi> and if by server, you mean ftp, smb or ssh / fish then... i don't see an AD need
[01:10] <DFlame> spam guide! http://two.xthost.info/DFUGTIRC/DFSUGTIRC.pdf
[01:10] <hi> i'm in the same boat as stdin on AD experience
[01:10] <stdin> I use cups to share my printer will the systems in my house
[01:10] <hi> ditto here
[01:10] <hi> os-x uses that fine
[01:10] <redshadowhero> I wanted to do AD because it would give me more in-depth experience with AD to demonstrate that they can trust me more with the AD server at work.
[01:10] <hi> windows is banned in my house though :)
[01:10] <stdin> DFlame: what?
[01:11] <redshadowhero> hi: I would have it that way, but people are stubborn :/
[01:11] <stdin> windows works with cups too, just uses http instead of ipp
[01:12] <DFlame> sorry folks, didnt mean it to hit hte ubuntu servers
[01:12] <stdin> amsg == Fail
[01:12] <heath> anyone know the php irc?
[01:13] <frederick> anyone had anyluck setting up elisa with samba files sharing??
[01:13] <hi> stdin: about cursors, the kde cursors aren't scalable ala gnome. the repos show things like "This package contains the DMZ cursor themes, which are derived from the Industrial theme developed for the Ximian GNOME desktop. Black and white cursors are provided, in scalable formats."
[01:13] <hi> is this right, or am i missing something?
[01:13] <redshadowhero> Oh, well.. darn. I have to go take someone to the hospital now.. >,>
[01:13] <frederick> tried the config files like smb://mybookworld/medias/ but elisa keeps getting stalled
[01:15] <stdin> hi: I've never tried to scale the cursor, so not sure. but there are specific "large" themes available so maybe, maybe not :p
[01:16] <hi> yeah, at 14mb i had to pause. then i realised, for instance, the oxygen-cursor-theme-extra is actually just  different colors. amazingly they aren't svg or something
[01:16] <hi> that's kind of ridiculous
[01:18] <frederick> anyone had anyluck setting up elisa with samba files sharing??
[01:21] <BluesKaj> frederick, between linux machines or mixed OSs ?
[01:21] <frederick> nas hard disk
[01:23] <frederick> network hard disk (mybookworld) created a public folder with all privileges, so there is no needs for username or password
[01:23] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm using Hardy and after my computer boots my numlock isn't set right; it's set to the opposite.  Any ideas why this is?
[01:24] <stdin> Ertain: if it's set to the opposite, set it to be off, and it'll be on
[01:25] <BluesKaj> Ertain, same here, I just live with it
[01:25] <imam_> we
[01:26] <Ertain> I could add "numlockx on" to one of my start up scripts.  I just don't know which one.
[01:26] <BluesKaj> Xorg
[01:26] <BluesKaj> it may not work tho
[01:27] <Mimi> I just reformatted my usb drive as ext3 and now my normal user acct doesnt have permissions to do anything in it... what gives?
[01:27] <stdin> because root owns it
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> yes
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> try sudo before you do anything
[01:27] <Mimi> I figured as much, but what do i have to do to fix it....
[01:27] <o0Chris0o> or su
[01:28] <stdin> sudo chown user: /where/it's/mounted
[01:28] <stdin> that'll make "user" own it
[01:28] <Mimi> ok, and then say  my brother logs in and he needs to use the drive, can he write to it too?
[01:29] <stdin> nope, not unless you "sudo chmod 777" too, then anyone can write
[01:29] <Mimi> Is that ok to do ?
[01:30] <Mimi> Thanks btw
[01:30] <stdin> depends what you mean by "ok"
[01:30] <Mimi> security risk, etc
[01:30] <stdin> what security risk are you thinking of?
[01:31] <stdin> it's not like you're chmod'ing the root partition, it's just external storage
[01:31] <Mimi> Alright :)
[01:32] <Mimi> Thank you :-)
[01:32] <stdin> the only alternative would be to create a new group and add all the users you want to be able to write to that group and then set the group of the device to that group
[01:32]  * Mimi reboots
[01:32] <stdin> but that can be overkill for most people
[01:32] <Mimi> Meh, I think 777 will be okay :D
[01:32] <Mimi> Thanks /bai bai!
[01:32] <stdin> :)
[01:37] <Mimi> hey  mmm so i changed the drive's permissions to 777, then cd to lost+found to test:    bash: cd: /media/USB Drive/lost+found/: Permission denied
[01:38] <stdin> it's not good to have lost+found 777 or owned by anyone but root
[01:38] <stdin> it can mess with fsck
[01:38] <stdin> just try creating a file/dir
[01:38] <Mimi> AH Ok, I just tried creating a folder and it works fine *faints* lol
[01:39] <Mimi> Time to move all my junk over there :P
[01:41] <v6lur> what's that lost+found for anyway?
[01:41] <Mimi> Short explanation here http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/lostfound.html
[01:43] <nano_> They say the best weapon is the one you don't have to fire.  I respectfully disagree.
[01:43] <Mimi> There should be one for each ext partition
[01:43] <Mimi> How come nano_ ?
[01:43] <imam_> hhh
[01:43] <nano_> lol.  idk.  i saw it on an Iron Man commercial
[01:43] <nano_> :P
[01:43] <Mimi> blarg!!!
[01:44] <nano_> anyway, i have to go.
[01:44] <nano_> i'll cya guys later
[01:44] <nano_> lol
[01:44] <Mimi> Bye bye
[01:45] <Mimi> I like that in linux when you are moving files, it says , example, 15 seconds, it actually IS 15 seconds! In Windows you'd see... "15 seconds left... no wait... 18... noooo! its 29 now!!" .... -_-;
[01:46] <[B5C]wallabee> hi
[01:46] <Mimi> Hi hi
[01:46] <Kr|ptiX> any1 kno of a good problem like photoshop or dreamweaver to make website with
[01:47] <Kr|ptiX> programs*
[01:47] <Mimi> photoshop is not to make websites.. anyway i recomend cinepaint       as for dreamweaver... eh.... *ponder* do you code from scratch or do you use WYSIWYG?
[01:48] <v6lur> quanta+ maybe?
[01:48] <Mimi> Yea
[01:49] <Kr|ptiX> you can design sites with photoshop
[01:49] <Mimi> you can spit out a random jumble muble with photoshop, but dont go telling me that is a website :p
[01:49] <Mimi> you can design, but you shoudlnt use it to build the actual website
[01:50] <[B5C]wallabee> fireworks
[01:51] <zeeon> evening folks
[01:52] <fildo> well morning this way
[01:52] <fildo> but gday
[01:52] <Mimi> :)
[01:52] <[B5C]wallabee> hi
[01:52]  * hi really needs to change his nick
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah duh
[01:52] <fildo> lol
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:52] <fildo> hi
[01:53] <hidamm> lol
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> change it to hello or something...
[01:53] <stdin> !hi | hi
[01:53] <zeeon> does anyone have an up todate guide for dual monitor on kubuntu?
[01:53] <zeeon> or does http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773584 still apply?
[01:54] <BluesKaj> funny , haven't seen anyone choose the "lowlife" nick yet
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> hi there
[01:54] <zeeon> hey
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> is this the kubuntu channel
[01:54] <[B5C]wallabee> hiho
[01:54] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin2: yes! it is
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> well...
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> i'm a new user...
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[01:55] <BluesKaj> tv time
[01:55] <BluesKaj> BBL
[01:55] <Haemogoblin2> i've just run away from winblow xp
[01:55] <Mimi> how do you like it so far? ^^
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> welcome to the bright side:)
[01:56] <Haemogoblin2> well i've been using it for all of an hr
[01:56] <Mimi> awww be nice windows isnt that bad *gag*
[01:56] <[B5C]wallabee> ;)
[01:56] <Haemogoblin2> it's overwhelming
[01:56] <Mimi> so whats on your mind?
[01:57] <Haemogoblin2> could it trouble some with a few noobie questions
[01:57] <Mimi> Go right ahead ^^
[01:59] <frank_> why isn't libdvdcss being hosted at kubuntu.org anymore? the kaffeine auto installation failed
[02:00] <Mimi> Hey guys... what the bunny is this?! gvfs-fuse-daemon       10G  4.4G  5.1G  47% /home/luisa/.gvfs   (show's when I type    df -h  )
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> first..i'm using a compaq armada m700 laptop as my test machine...
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> it's running super!
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> i was also really impressed that this os comes with it's of irc chat client built in
[02:00] <Haemogoblin2> i'm having issues configuring my wireless card..
[02:00] <v6lur> frank_: libdvdcss should be in medibuntu...
[02:01] <Haemogoblin2> but i have no idea how you set them up on this operating system...i'm used to using OSX and XP..
[02:01] <frank_> v6lur: yeah it's there. but the kaffeine auto install of libdvdcss gets it from kubuntu.org. it used to be there
[02:02] <v6lur> hmm, don't know then. those great US intellectual property laws mayhaps?
[02:02] <Haemogoblin2> hey sorry about that my network cable came out
[02:02] <Mimi> !wireless
[02:02] <stdin> Mimi: something to do with gnome and fuse
[02:03] <zeeon> question does twinview come with nvidia-glx-new and is it better then xinerama?
[02:04] <Haemogoblin2> does anyone here happen to use a officconnect 3com wireless card ?
[02:05] <frank_> v6lur: maybe
[02:05] <Haemogoblin2> i'm trying to follow the guides, but a human voice of input/guidance would sure help a great deal :)
[02:07] <Mimi> Mmm I don't
[02:08]  * Dr_willis totally missed the problem
[02:08] <Haemogoblin2> kubuntu seems to have found my wifi card and says it's enabled..however in setting i've noticed there are no options for WEP/WEP2 ect
[02:08] <Mimi> Ooh
[02:08] <Haemogoblin2> i've been unable to successfully connect to the router..
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> soo i'm using the very hap hazard internal ethernet port..which the cable keeps slipping out of :S
[02:09] <Dr_willis> break that little tab off the end eh?
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> hehe how did you guess
[02:09] <Haemogoblin2> :P
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Rubberbands and one of those stick on hooks. does wonders. :)
[02:10] <Haemogoblin2> Stop looking through my window
[02:10]  * Mimi does it all the time >.<    I R BE CLUMSY
[02:10] <Haemogoblin2> hehe
[02:11] <Dr_willis> I alwyas have some of those plastick sticky hook/cable holders on the back of all my pc's to help route the cables.
[02:11] <Haemogoblin2> i was hoping i could trouble someone to just give me a quick run through the process of setting wifi up and kubuntu..
[02:11] <Haemogoblin2> i'm pretty good under XP and osx
[02:11] <Dr_willis> All i did was install the proper driver for my wireless ard. clicked on the icon in the system tray and entered my ssid and password.
[02:12] <Dr_willis> Some drivers/cards may not have all the different encryption types availiable  perhaps?
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> but there's no WEP security feature in the setup window
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> right
[02:12] <Dr_willis> wep? isent that like the MOST insecure one?
[02:12] <Haemogoblin2> we use WEP2
[02:13] <Dr_willis> perthaps the wireless guide will have some info
[02:13] <Dr_willis> !wireless
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> right
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> well
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> the reason i came on here..was i researched my card
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> it took me to linuxquestions.org
[02:13] <Haemogoblin2> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/3com-office-connect-3crwe154g72-387024/
[02:14] <Haemogoblin2> i found the above info on the site..
[02:14] <Dr_willis> a lot of those guides may be out of date. Now that Hardy is released. Its using some newer drivers/features for wireless.
[02:14] <Haemogoblin2> but...they are talking about having trouble with drivers and using commands i have no clue about
[02:14] <Dr_willis> It would be best to stick with the ubuntu/kubuntu specific guides.
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> i should point out i've no linux knowledge...but i'm really wanting to give it a try..
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> it looks really good
[02:15] <OmnipotentEntity> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experience using Super Flasher under wine.
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> :D
[02:15] <Mimi> yeah he's only been using linux for ONE hour... :D give him some tips (unfortunately i dont use kde, i use gnome so... )
[02:15] <Haemogoblin2> hey any tips would be very much appreciated
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin2, what issues are you facing?
[02:16] <[B5C]wallabee> anyone using a acer travelmate 4000 ?
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> None thus far?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> just the wireless
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> thats it
 but there's no WEP security feature in the setup window
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> soo i'm doing pretty good
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> x86 or x64?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> 86
[02:16] <OmnipotentEntity> Do you have kwifimanager installed?
[02:16] <Haemogoblin2> erm
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> I'll take that as an iunno.
[02:17] <Mimi> Just run that in a terminal window to find out ^_^
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> Alt+F2 will bring up your run box.
[02:17] <OmnipotentEntity> You can try there as well.
[02:18] <Haemogoblin2> nope it's not installed
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> Try knetworkmanager
[02:18] <v6lur> knetworkmanager should be installed & running by default
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> I know.
[02:18] <OmnipotentEntity> :)
[02:18] <jmichaelx> is anyone else having firefox/swiftfox continually jamming up or locking up on them in hardy?
[02:18] <Haemogoblin2> erm
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> well
[02:19] <v6lur> but that linuxquestions thingy mentions ndiswrapper
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> it did something
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> but nothings popped up
[02:19] <v6lur> which is not installed by default, agaik
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> but it definately loaded something
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> check by your clock in your systemtray
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> There should be an icon that you can right-click on.
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> hep
[02:19] <v6lur> jmichaelx, no (Fx beta 5)
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> i mean yep
[02:19] <OmnipotentEntity> Looks like a white popsicle kinda.
[02:19] <Haemogoblin2> a little usbpen icon
[02:20] <Haemogoblin2> it's there
[02:20] <OmnipotentEntity> Right click and see what you can do in there. ;)
[02:20] <Haemogoblin2> presently showing my internal ethernet connection
[02:20] <jmichaelx> v6lur: i am using the most recent firefox3, and it is locking up on 2 different PCs
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> ok, so chances are it just didn't detect and use your wireless card.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> before i look silly i'll point out the wifi card isn't in..i took it out just incase you guys might have needed model number info ect
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> hahaha
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> its going in now
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> ok, I figured you had one built in.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> no
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> lol
[02:21] <OmnipotentEntity> :) No worries.
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> i'll install it now
[02:21] <Haemogoblin2> ok we're plugged in
[02:22] <OmnipotentEntity> Give it a second and then check in knetworkmanager again.
[02:22] <billyd> ?part
[02:22] <v6lur> now give networkmanager some 30 seconds to "find" it
[02:22] <billyd> ?\/part
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> wooooh
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> ok
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> somethings working
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> :D
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> i just right clicked the icon
[02:23] <mneptok> !enter > Haemogoblin2
[02:23] <Mimi> yaaay :D
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> and i'm finding our network
[02:23] <Haemogoblin2> and next doors
[02:23] <v6lur> cool
[02:24] <Haemogoblin2> ok give me a second and i shall have a go at getting it connected using it..if i vanish you'll know where i've gone
[02:24] <Haemogoblin2> and also...thanks muchly!
[02:25] <v6lur> jmichaelx: fx isn't my primary browser, so i don't use it very often, but i haven't noticed any crashes...
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> Anyway, my problem was I have an obscure program that I'm trying to run under wine, it's a ROM dumping/flashing program called superflasher.  It's just acting buggy.
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> I had been trying to get VirtualBox working, but none of my drivers work under the VirtualBox kernel.
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> :/
[02:25] <OmnipotentEntity> Or at least, none of the ones I care about, like video driver and wifi.
[02:26] <jmichaelx> v6lur: i doesn't exactly crash... it just stops working for several seconds off an on.... over and over
[02:26] <jmichaelx> it*
[02:26] <OmnipotentEntity> jmichaelx are you going to flash heavy sites?
[02:26] <OmnipotentEntity> And do you have the free version of flash installed?
[02:27] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: it behaves this way whether or not flash is being used
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> s/flash/java/g ?
[02:27] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: i am using adobe's flash
[02:27] <[B5C]wallabee> i really really hate ati ;)
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> What about Java?  Are you using Sun's version of Java.
[02:27] <OmnipotentEntity> ?
[02:28] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: yes, i am... but this is happening with FF without (obvious) connection to flash or java
[02:28] <jmichaelx> ...i think
[02:28] <OmnipotentEntity> AddOns?
[02:28] <OmnipotentEntity> Does it appear in top?
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> Is it dragging the rest of the system or is it isolated of FF?
[02:29] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: i have no addons on this FF.... on my laptop i have only stumbleupon... i don't think that is the issue
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> Is it's CPU usage spiking?
[02:29] <Haemogoblin3> Well thank you very much :D i'm online using the wireless card..that was amazingly painless
[02:29] <OmnipotentEntity> its rather.
[02:30] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, congrats!
[02:30] <jmichaelx> OmnipotentEntity: that is a good question... i am also trying to narrow this down... it may be more system-wide than i thought
[02:30]  * jmichaelx wonders what ever happened to intellikey
[02:30] <OmnipotentEntity> jmichaelx, I meant is Firefox's CPU usage spiking, but if you think something else may be the issue you can monitor your CPU usage using top or ksysguard
[02:30] <Haemogoblin3> can you guys recommend a good place to big up noobie tips/hints for kubuntu? i dont want to be annoying you chaps to much with questions
[02:31] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, does this happen on websites like Facebook and such? JavaScript intensive site, especially ones that like to send HTTP requests, can lock up your browser temporarily.
[02:31] <Mimi> Yeah I get that a lot on icanhazcheeseburger... they have soooo many widgets on their page!
[02:31] <jmichaelx> NickPresta: it has been happening to me even doing google searches
[02:31] <NickPresta> Haemogoblin3, the docs http://help.ubuntu.com
[02:31] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, processor specs?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> nick, on this machine i have a 2.5Ghz celeron w/ 11GB RAM
[02:32] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, the great thing about kubuntu and ubuntu is everyone uses it, so if you run across a problem someone has probably already stumbled on the same problem. ;)
[02:32] <jmichaelx> oops
[02:32] <jmichaelx> 11GB*
[02:32] <jmichaelx> grr
[02:32] <Haemogoblin3> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[02:32] <jmichaelx> 1GB*
[02:32] <jmichaelx> very touchy number keys
[02:32] <OmnipotentEntity> The kubuntu uses KDE, and ubuntu uses gnome.
[02:32] <Mimi> Oh yeah  Haemogoblin2    ubuntuforums.com  very very busy... make sure you search when you have a trouble, but it seems you are good about that :)
[02:33] <Haemogoblin3> cheers dude..i'll check that out
[02:33] <Mimi> kde and gnome are just two different... desktop environments
[02:33] <heath> anyone know where I can reverse lookup a cell number?
[02:33] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, I don't know what the problem would be. I would probably open up a terminal with top/htop running and watch for firefox spikes and see what is going on.
[02:33] <Mimi> This is #kubuntu not #csi   :P
[02:33] <Haemogoblin3> what is kde? i've seen that on several sites
[02:34] <Mimi> kde is your desktop
[02:34] <NickPresta> !kde > Haemogoblin3
[02:34] <OmnipotentEntity> I constantly have npviewer.bin running at 100% whenever I run youtube.
[02:34] <jmichaelx> nick, thanks. i'll keep investigating.
[02:34] <OmnipotentEntity> It's just my machine is a beast so I don't notice it. >_>
[02:34] <jmichaelx> most of my hardware is old junk, i like it that way
[02:35] <Haemogoblin3> right..see i'm slowly wrapping my head around it..i might make my main pc dual boot xp and kubuntu
[02:35] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, a desktop environment is just your UI.  Have you ever hacked Windows XP with a different explorer.exe?
[02:36] <Haemogoblin3> i've used stardock
[02:36] <Mimi> You might like Avant Window Manager then :D
[02:36] <OmnipotentEntity> That's kinda the difference between gnome and KDE.  It's just a different version of "explorer.exe"... sorta.
[02:36] <OmnipotentEntity> kinda.
[02:37] <Haemogoblin3> cool, thus far it looks really really good and on a P3 750 its nippy
[02:37] <OmnipotentEntity> There's more to it than that, but it's an easy to understand way of describing it
[02:37] <jmichaelx> do people use avant in KDE?
[02:37] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, some do
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> jmichaelx: yeah..but it generally sucks
[02:37] <jmichaelx> hmm,
[02:37] <jmichaelx> lol ok, i sort of figured it was cut out more for gnome
[02:37] <Haemogoblin3> i've not got around to costomizing the system...i just got it installed and go into getting my hardware working
[02:37] <Mimi> Sucks? Really? It runs with 0 problems under gnome, for me
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Mimi: we were talking about avant being used in KDE...
[02:38] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: got that shutdown bug fixed now..had to patch that script
[02:38] <Haemogoblin3> i have a belkin bluetooth adaptor which i'm hoping i'll get workign at some point
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> wirechief-intel: yeah me too....
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: a lot of avant's applets are dependent on gnome and gtk, it's not a good kde solution, yet
[02:38] <Mimi> Yes I know, but that comment struck me as odd that it doesnt run ok in kde... i was surprised, since its flawless in gnome, thats all... sheesh relax xF
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !hardware | Haemogoblin this is invaluable for hardware problems
[02:39] <jmichaelx> the thing that really has me worked up is that weather.com changed  their page layout, and no liquid weather is not working
[02:39] <jmichaelx> now*
[02:39] <jmichaelx> i think i'll write them a nasty email
[02:39] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, you could write a new python script :)
[02:40] <jmichaelx> NickPresta: i was hoping to avoid that
[02:40] <NickPresta> jmichaelx, it shouldn't be too tough. a little BS and you're good to go
[02:40] <jmichaelx> lol, probably so
[02:40] <Mimi> Daisuke_Ido,  thanks i had no idea
[02:40] <jmichaelx> writing the scathing email would be fun, too... but probably less productive
[02:41] <Haemogoblin3> right i've bookmarked that page thanks :D
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: no worries
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i've been following awn pretty closely lately, the devs are trying to degnomify the applets
[02:41] <Haemogoblin3> so far this looks like a pretty sweet OS
[02:42] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: cool thanks for the links
[02:42] <jmichaelx> i hope that by KDE4.1 we will be able to make the panel transparent again....
[02:42] <rignes> Hello all, where is the default run level in Hardy set?  In other distros I would just edit inittab but that file doesn't appear to exist in Kubuntu.
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> jmichaelx: you can do that now... install the slim-glow plasma theme
[02:43] <OmnipotentEntity> Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experience using Super Flasher under wine.  It a bit of an obscure program, used for dumping and flashing ROMs to an SNES cart/programmable SNES cart.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> !upstart | rignes
[02:43] <wirechief-intel> nosrednaekim: i had to get rid of firefox3 it was just too buggy, would not save bookmarks or homepage
[02:43] <rignes> Thanks
[02:43] <jmichaelx> nosrednaekim: ty, i didn't know there was such a thing. i am going to do that right now
[02:44] <jmichaelx> wirechief-intel: i have been having FF3 issues , too... all was well with FF3 until the most recent updates came down the line a few weeks ago
[02:44] <wirechief-intel> jmichaelx: hmm well till they sortem out im using ff2
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> what is compiz?
[02:45] <Mimi> !compiz
[02:45] <Mimi> Oops :)
[02:45] <jmichaelx> compiz will eat your CPU
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> i just tried to enable it and it wont
[02:45] <Mimi> Well Haemogoblin3  search youtube for compiz     :) :) :)
[02:45] <hi5> *compiz will eat your GPU
[02:45] <jmichaelx> lol
[02:45] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[02:45] <jmichaelx> that, too
[02:45] <OmnipotentEntity> I haven't had terrible amounts of CPU usage w/compiz.
[02:46] <Haemogoblin3> i just wondered how i alter...background colour ect ect
[02:46] <v6lur> Haemogoblin3, you need to logoff and logon again to use compiz-fusion
[02:46] <hi5> my cpu is currently at 3% at 798Mhz, and little use of my GPU even so?
[02:46] <jmichaelx> no, i was kidding. it isn't that bad
[02:46] <hi5> compiz pwnz all
[02:46]  * hi5 is compiz fiend
[02:46] <Mimi> compiz helps with my ADD ;p
[02:46] <jmichaelx> i don't use compiz much
[02:46] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, right click the desktop, Configure Desktop.
[02:46] <jmichaelx> LOL @ Mimi
[02:46] <Mimi> ctrl + p   and all the windows im not using become semi transparent :D
[02:46] <Haemogoblin3> well i just clicked on install desktop effect and it failed
[02:47] <v6lur> compiz-fusion is really cool, but kopete keeps crashing the system with emerald as window manager :/
[02:47] <OmnipotentEntity> compiz is useful.  But I don't like running with while running WoW.
[02:47] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  probably havent installed resttricted drivers yet
[02:47] <hi5> lol, seriously compiz helps with mine too!
[02:47] <jmichaelx> sweet, my slackware 12.1 CDs have finished downloading
[02:47] <Mimi> !restricted
[02:47] <hi5> the window darkening rocks!
[02:47] <Mimi> oops
[02:47] <Haemogoblin3> so how do i install it
[02:47] <Mimi> hi5,   i just make the windows look almost like they arent there (so that they blend in with the wallpaper ;) )
[02:47] <hi5> compiz (when it's not busy crashing) is like os-x on speed
[02:47] <Mimi> !compiz | Haemogoblin3
[02:48] <hi5> Mimi: ditto :)
[02:48] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[02:48] <v6lur> hi5, well said
[02:48] <tuanpham> morning every !
[02:48] <[B5C]wallabee> how can i find out which video driver kde4 is using (without starting kde4)
[02:48] <Haemogoblin3> is it worth having installed?
[02:48] <Mimi> Hi  tua :)
[02:48] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  depends on your needs and how good your computer is. still, its worth a try me thinks
[02:48] <tuanpham> hi Mimi
[02:48] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, do you like eyecandy?  Is your computer's GPU fast?
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> If you answered yes to both, compiz is right for you.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> thanks i thought i'd just ask..you guys have been using this os alot longer then me
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> it's a 16mb ATI 128
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> :/
[02:49] <Mimi> You dont want compiz then
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> Don't install compiz.  You won't like it.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> 750 P3
[02:49] <OmnipotentEntity> Yeah.
[02:49] <Haemogoblin3> a basic compaq laptop
[02:50] <Mimi> Should probably be using xubuntu uh?
[02:50] <OmnipotentEntity> (from 2002. :)
[02:50] <Haemogoblin3> xubuntu?
[02:50] <OmnipotentEntity> I agree, you'll like xubuntu better.
[02:50] <v6lur> if kde runs fine, why change it?
[02:50] <jmichaelx> geesh, konqueror is not working correctly either
[02:50] <Mimi> True
[02:50] <Haemogoblin3> it's running very sweet right now
[02:51] <OmnipotentEntity> :) Good, don't fix what's not broken.
[02:51] <jmichaelx> i may have to do a fresh install... initially i thought my upgrade to hardy had gone smoothely
[02:51] <jmichaelx> An error occurred while loading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion:
[02:51]  * Dr_willis waits for ServicePack1 for hardy.
[02:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:51] <Mimi> lol
[02:51] <OmnipotentEntity> Ouch Dr_willis, harsh.
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> :D
[02:52] <OmnipotentEntity> Haemogoblin3, open up a terminal and run glxgears
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> i'm just getting firefox..good and faithful
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> what is that?
[02:52] <v6lur> it's a program to benchmark your graphics card
[02:52] <Haemogoblin3> can't run specified command
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> It's not really a benchmark, I just wanted to see if he had glx extensions installed.
[02:53] <Haemogoblin3> apparently i dont
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> But then again, ati open source drivers have 3d acceleration already.
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> I forgot that.
[02:53] <OmnipotentEntity> >_>
[02:53] <v6lur> well, that's how people round here ar using it :)
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> You mean like this:
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> (1)omnipotententity@oberus% glxgears                                                                                ~
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 82994 frames in 5.0 seconds = 16594.297 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 104067 frames in 5.0 seconds = 20813.357 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> 105443 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21088.562 FPS
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> :D
[02:54] <v6lur> yea
[02:54] <jmichaelx> sick the ops on OmnipotentEntity!
[02:54] <jmichaelx> oh well, nevermind
[02:54] <OmnipotentEntity> Yeah, not a benchmark, I preferred it when you had to pass the option --iunderstandthatthisisnotabenchmark
[02:55] <v6lur> lol
[02:55] <Dr_willis> I think who ever came up with that --iunderstand. bs should be shot.
[02:55] <Haemogoblin3> i take it kubuntu comes bundled with those ati drivers
[02:55] <Dr_willis> its as close to a bench mark as anything else ive seen. :)
[02:56] <OmnipotentEntity> He was.  The option isn't there anymore and it prints the FPS by default now.
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: no... not really
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: you can get them from the hardware deveices manager
[02:56] <Haemogoblin3> i might need a little, guidance :P
[02:56] <Haemogoblin3> DOH!!
[02:57] <jmichaelx> this shooting devs for stupid config flags could catch on
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: system->hardware devicemanager
[02:57] <Haemogoblin3> okies loaded it up
[02:58] <OmnipotentEntity> be back later. :)
[02:58] <OmnipotentEntity> tootles.
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: anything about the ati driver there?
[02:58] <Haemogoblin3> no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[02:59] <jmichaelx> for some of the older ati video adaptors, the OS drivers are fairly awesome
[03:00] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:00] <jmichaelx> i have a machine with compiz enabled, and working well.. using a radeon 9000, and OS drivers
[03:00] <Haemogoblin3> i dont think this little laptops GFX card would compare to even a 9000
[03:00] <jmichaelx> ahh, yeah, probably not
[03:01] <Haemogoblin3> i've just noticed a problem
[03:02] <Haemogoblin3> i followed a link off the wiki for compiz to a youtube video..it's not playing the vid
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: run "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree"
[03:03] <v6lur> rather: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:04] <Haemogoblin3> should something pop up when i put that in the run command window
[03:04] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  oops, you want to run that from terminal window, not  from alt + f2 ^^
[03:05] <Haemogoblin3> ok how does one do that
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: run it from a terminal.. a konsole
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> v6lur: that has the flash player?ok
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: system->konsole
[03:06] <Haemogoblin3> could not find kubuntu- ect ect ect
[03:06] <Haemogoblin3> do i need the CD in
[03:06] <Mimi> Shouldn't
[03:07] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras[sudo] password for haemogoblin:Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extrashaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[03:07] <Mimi> AH
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: ok, run " sudo apt-get update" to update your package lists
[03:08] <Mimi> not only that, doesnt he have to enable the extra repos, since restricted is non free?
[03:08] <Mimi> Where do you Kubuntians go to change the software sources? (In gnome I have Administration>Software Sources
[03:08] <Haemogoblin3> Ohh now something IS happening :D
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> probably already enabled
[03:08] <Mimi> It comes enabled by default? non free?
[03:09] <Haemogoblin3> ok done
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: try the previous command
[03:10] <Haemogoblin3> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree?
[03:10] <[B5C]wallabee> hm my panel disappeared how can i get it back? already tried a restart
[03:10] <Haemogoblin3> just to confirm
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> yes
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: kde4?
[03:10] <[B5C]wallabee> yes
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: adept_manger
[03:11] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfreeReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfreehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: "killall plasma && rm .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc && plasma"
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: go into adept manager->adept->manage repositories and check them all on
[03:13] <Mimi> Except CDs
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> yes
[03:13] <[B5C]wallabee> nosrednaekim, thank you ;)
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> [B5C]wallabee: you don't know how many times I've had to type that for people :)
[03:14] <sledge> anybody know how i can install an older (<2.6.24-16) kernel image without rolling my own?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> sledge: you don't want to :P
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> !kernel
[03:14] <Haemogoblin3> so anything beginning with CD is a no no
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: right... it would require you to have your CD all the time, which is a pain when you have a net connection
[03:14] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  don;'t want to use CD packages unless you have bad bad bad internet connection
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> ok ticking them off now
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> erm
[03:15] <Haemogoblin3> there are alot of them..
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> like 6 right?
[03:16] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:16] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,
 Haemogoblin3,
[03:16] <Mimi> gaaah!!!!
[03:16] <sledge> nosrednaekim: I want to. Everything above -11 breaks my broadcom wireless adapter.
[03:16] <Mimi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu      here you go
[03:16] <Haemogoblin3> there are ALOT
[03:17] <Mimi> actually Haemogoblin3  please ignore that link. try this one instead https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: just in the "kubuntu software tab:
[03:17] <Haemogoblin3> 904 installed , 15 upgradable, 24798 availible
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: oh... don't check all those packages! go into the adept menu->manage repositories
[03:18] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:18] <Haemogoblin3> going there now
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> make sure "restricted" is checked off
[03:19] <Mimi> Why have it checked off?
[03:20] <Haemogoblin3> i dont even see it :S
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> well... checked :)
[03:20] <Haemogoblin3> ooh i do now
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> multiverse and restricted
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> drivers for devices ( restricted)
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> and then the one below it? yes
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> ok... were they both checked before?
[03:21] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> oh.... what version of kubuntu do you have?
[03:22] <Haemogoblin3> the latest
[03:22] <Haemogoblin3> what evers on the site
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> hmm ok..... well, why you are in adept_manager... search for "flash"
[03:23] <Haemogoblin3> wooo progress bars
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> ah! the package name is now "flashplugin-nonfree"
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> sorry about that
[03:23] <Haemogoblin3> its dwnloading stuff
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> i dont see it on the list
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> but there's alot of flash related findings in the search
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> not that though?
[03:25] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:26] <Haemogoblin3> libflash
[03:26] <[B5C]wallabee> :( kde4 is too buggy
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> thats very odd... do you have the "kubuntu-restricted-extras" package?
[03:27] <Mimi> *sigh* isn't it called...   yes that,   ^
[03:27] <Haemogoblin3> how would i determine if i had?
[03:27] <Mimi> theres a search bar there
[03:27] <Mimi> search for:   restricted
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> no
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> one sex
[03:28] <Haemogoblin3> sec even
[03:29] <Haemogoblin3> nothing by that name
[03:29] <Haemogoblin3> linux-restricted-modules......
[03:30] <Mimi> no
[03:31] <joseph> !openaim
[03:32] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:32] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  i think i found out what the problem is :) stay tuned
[03:32] <Haemogoblin3> okies :)
[03:32] <Mimi> under the search bar, do you see SHOW: not installed, installed, etc etc?
[03:33] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:33] <Mimi> are they all checked?
[03:33] <Haemogoblin3> yes
[03:33] <Mimi> why do kubuntunians use adept manager >.> its so difficult to use, while gnome's  add/remove is so simple >.>
[03:33] <Mimi> mmmm thats odd xD
[03:33] <Mimi> match package name and description?
[03:34] <twoshadetod> is there a graph program? something that just gives you a graph and you can click a box and have it selected, preferably with other features but doesn'thave to
[03:35] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  you've already tried i think, sincce you've updates the repositories now, can you try this?   open a konsole from the system menu,  then run   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> twoshadetod: maybe kmplot
[03:35] <twoshadetod> hmmm
[03:35] <twoshadetod> thanks ill check that out
[03:36] <Haemogoblin3> ok doing it now
[03:37] <Mimi> *cough* me sugests installing gnome-app-install *cough* *cough!*
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> nope
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> not found
[03:37] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:37] <Mimi> OhMy Ubuntu even comes with Flickr Updates on it's repos!! Neat!
[03:37] <Mimi> the package blah blah was not found?
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> yep
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> it seems to be a running theme
[03:38] <Haemogoblin3> would firefox be flash enabled out of the box?
[03:38] <Mimi> xD  You must have not selected all the repositories / sources... :/
[03:38] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  I could swear mine was, but you know, I installed ubuntu soooo long ago i dont remmebr
[03:39] <Mimi> Would anyone be against him installing gnome-app-install..> ? lol its so easy to use compared to adept...
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> nah
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> thats fine :)
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> under third party software..those need ticking right?
[03:40] <Mimi> Yes
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> right
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> ok!
[03:40] <Haemogoblin3> now i know where i went wrong...human error
[03:40] <Mimi> Like the repository list in adept... what the bunny is that mess!
[03:41] <Haemogoblin3> ook its once more updating
[03:41] <Mimi> Yeah it has to download the list of available applications and updates :)
[03:41] <Mimi> Has anyone told him to do update & upgrade yet?
[03:42] <andresj> hello. i am currently using gutsy. I wanna upgrade to hardy but I don't know if I'll need to reinstall the O.S. like I had to do last distro upgrade... any comments?
[03:42] <Mimi> andresj,  no, you dont have to do a fresh install
[03:43] <andresj> but does it work correctly? I mean, I also thought I didn't have to do a fresh install from feisty->gutsy
[03:43] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:43] <Mimi> I personally prefer to do a fresh install since it doesnt take too long.  If you  have a separate ./home partition I recomend you do a fresh install
[03:43] <Haemogoblin3> thus far what i did, i checked the two files under the CD part of the third party packages
[03:44] <Haemogoblin3> i searched for flash but i didn't see the plugin, so i've run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras in the terminal and still nothing
[03:44] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:44] <andresj> mmm... I dont have a separate /home partition :(
[03:45] <andresj> I used to, but I got lazy the last two installs :D
[03:45] <Mimi> We told you not to enable Restricted, didn't we? .... *shakes head* ..... Who did that?! :P    hae, you need Restrict repositories too >.> Im sorry for the mess
[03:45] <heinkel_111> hello..is it possible to upgrade 7.10 --> 8.04 using the DVD?
[03:45] <Mimi> andresj,  maybe this time you could make up for your lazyness? *wink* *lets you borrow her usb drive for backup ^^
[03:45] <Mimi> Yeah it is heinkel_111
[03:45] <andresj> :D
[03:45] <Mimi> !install
[03:46] <andresj> !automate
[03:46] <andresj> ahh...
[03:46] <heinkel_111> Mimi ...I looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades/Kubuntu and it only mentions the alternate CD, that is why I asked
[03:46] <Haemogoblin3>  Restrict repositories ??
[03:46] <Mimi> Yes, enable those, hae
[03:47] <Haemogoblin3> i ran a search again
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> for restricted and it didn't find it still
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Haemogoblin3: :(
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> sorry, I'm outa ideas... something is messed up there
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:48] <matiii> hi
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> well i've not had time to mess it up myself
[03:48] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[03:48] <Mimi> You're right lol
[03:48] <matiii> any body can help me, i cant install nvidia drivers
[03:49]  * Mimi googles for a clean sources file
[03:49] <Haemogoblin3> i'll install firefox and get back to you
[03:49] <Haemogoblin3> it might solve it
[03:50]  * Mimi loves having firefox launch in 1 sec   when I have 20 tabs and just booted ;p
[03:50] <Haemogoblin3> ooook, how do i install firefox lol...
[03:50] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[03:51] <Mimi> did you search it for firefox?
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> ?
[03:51] <Mimi> adept manager
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> nope
[03:51] <Haemogoblin3> i only just downloaded the firefox zip
[03:51] <Mimi> lol :)
[03:52] <Mimi> welcome to ubuntu, where you usually never need to download stuff from websites :)
[03:52] <Haemogoblin3> having just unzipped it....i'm looking for the EXE or the installer
[03:52] <Mimi> just type sudo apt-get install firefox :) Why work when ubuntu does it for you :)
[03:52] <Haemogoblin3> in ther terminal i guess
[03:52] <Mimi> its faster :)
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> what about when i need to install stuff manuall
[03:53] <Mimi> You will rarely have to
[03:53] <Mimi> very very rarely
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> you PROBABLY won't ever have to
[03:53] <Mimi> Yeah.
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[03:53] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> then can some explain to me this sudo apt thingy
[03:54] <Mimi> Yeah, one sec
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> :P
[03:54] <Mimi> guys what text editor does kubuntu use, is it kate?
[03:54] <Haemogoblin3> hehe...my OS is doing things for me that simply is not meant to happen
[03:55] <andresj> Mimi, I think kwrite is the default
[03:55] <Mimi> thanks
[03:55] <Haemogoblin3> simple laws of microsoft state that your os is supposed to STOP you from doing things..not help you!
[03:55] <andresj> (at least it is for KDE4--been disconnected from the kde3 world for over 5 months now :D)
[03:55] <Mimi> hae, can you do me a big favor? could you  type in that konsole:           sudo kwrite /etc/fstab    (DONT make any changes, just copy, paste it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com  )
[03:55] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: and they are very good at it :D
[03:56] <Mimi> Yea....
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> !apt
[03:56] <Mimi> I <3 not needing a firewall and antivirus :D
[03:57] <andresj> yeah I can't remember the last time i did anything even related to an antivirus
[03:57] <Haemogoblin3> eeeep
[03:57] <Mimi> omg hae, ignore waht i said. LOL
[03:58] <heinkel_111> where di I find the MD5 checksum for the AMD64 DVD version of kubuntu 8.04?
[03:58] <Haemogoblin3> what?
[03:58] <Haemogoblin3> ignore what?
[03:58] <Mimi> Guys where is the apt lists saved at? /etc/apt/.....
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> sources.list in that dir, yes
[03:59] <Haemogoblin3> dude i have this fstab window full of text
[03:59] <Mimi> Ok thanks *rubs sweat off forehead with  her sleeve* lol
[03:59] <Mimi> lol sorry i gave you the wrong file *blush*  just close that *blush*
[03:59] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[03:59] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_1 fc43f665ba51c4be0d95c011aefef45d *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:00] <Mimi> instead do               sudo  kwrite  /etc/apt/sources.list          please copy everything and paste it at http://paste.ubuntu.com   and  give us the link when you're done ^^   (What Im trying to do is set up the lists correctly for you ^^;;;
[04:00] <Mimi> If you don't mind :)
[04:00] <Haemogoblin3> it's fine i'm a PC user i'm used to my os doing random things without my knowledge
[04:00] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel: you sure that is for the DVD?
[04:00] <Mimi> lol
[04:01] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel: that is the cd file
[04:01] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_111: its what i got from www.distrowatch.com but for dvd ?? dont know
[04:01] <heinkel_111> the dvd is named kubuntu-8.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[04:01] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo  kwrite  /etc/apt/sources.listsudo:  kwrite: command not foundhaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> uhh kate :)
[04:01] <wirechief-intel> heinkel_111: i just checked my list it is not given  oh well
[04:02] <Mimi> gah you guys hate me or what :D
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> oh.. and make that kdesudo
[04:02] <Mimi> replace kwrite with kate   ....    you guys hate me !!  lol i love this channel
[04:02] <andresj> oh that made me remember: now that I'm doing a fresh install, should I use amd64 or i386? I currently use i386 because of all the compatibility problems (flash, blender3d--which is fixed now, etc), but I used to have amd64 before.
[04:02] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:02] <andresj> so that's ``kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list`` :D
[04:03] <Mimi> This would never happen at #ubuntu... they're so stern
[04:03] <Mimi> Yes that will do * as andresj  said
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: way more traffic, yes :)
[04:04] <heinkel_111> wirechief-intel & others, I solved the checksum problem, have some coffee!
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11052/
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> there you go
[04:04] <Mimi> Thanks
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> np
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> i should mention
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> that when i inserted that command into the terminal is error'd
[04:04] <Mimi> Ok gimme a sec *editing*
[04:04] <Mimi> What did it say?
[04:04] <Haemogoblin3> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.Error: "/tmp/kde-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.Error: "/tmp/ksocket-haemogoblin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thats cause you ran it with sudo
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> don't EVER run graphical programs with sudo
[04:05] <Haemogoblin3> i'm not savvy on what the heck i'm doing just yet
[04:05] <Mimi> Its my fault ;)
[04:05] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:05] <Mimi> I always run stuff with sudo (havent had problems with it)
[04:05] <Mimi> !multiverse
[04:06] <andresj> I just use nano when doing admin stuff to avoid this :D
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> Mimi: its different in GNOME
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> laterz guys
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> good luck
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> and gals :)
[04:06] <Haemogoblin3> byee
[04:06] <Haemogoblin3> and thank you for your help
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. NP :)
[04:07] <Mimi> ok Haemogoblin3     http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/     all i did is enable multiverse
[04:07] <Mimi> multiverse: non free (usually non open source) software.
[04:07] <Mimi> like flash me thinks
[04:07] <andresj> Mimi: wouldn't it have been simpler to use Adept Manager for that?
[04:08] <Haemogoblin3> now..i think you will know my next question....what do i do with this nice..very lovely look stream of text
[04:08] <Mimi> andresj,   yea but but but...   we were having trouble picking the right ones. I dont blame it, the interface is rusty and  he's new to it so
[04:08] <Mimi> :)
[04:09] <Mimi> kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.list          replace everything by that new link
[04:09] <Haemogoblin3> ok so i type that into the terminal
[04:09] <Mimi> Yes
[04:10] <Mimi> and no, you dont have to do stuff on the konsole all the time in case youre wondering!    i just want to  set  you up with that real quick so you can get going and learning more / quicker ;)
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> ok.....*sigh* i really dont know what the heck i'm doing
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:10] <Mimi> Ask if you have a doubt
[04:10] <Haemogoblin3> i fear at the moment my brains might melt
[04:10] <Mimi> lol
[04:11]  * Mimi wonders why her cat is sitting on the stove staring at the wall. i think HER brain has melted.
[04:11] <Haemogoblin3> erm it says command not found
[04:11] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.listsudo: Â: command not found
[04:11] <twoshadetod> where is a good linux games website?
[04:12] <Mimi> did you copy and paste?  it seems it copied a unicode (?) character ^^ try typing it manually
[04:13] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: APT is like a database of programs: it includes links to the installers, description and what other programs should be downloaded with it (like you have to install the .NET Framework before using some programs in Windows). This database is constantly updated from repositories. What you just did was a repository, thus enabling you to install more programs using APT.
[04:13] <Haemogoblin3> kdesudo  kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:13] <Haemogoblin3> thats the right command yes?
[04:13] <Mimi> Yeah except when you install something that requires .net, you have to do download it and install it yourself. in Ubuntu, if an app needs something, APT does it itself ;)
[04:13] <Mimi> Yes that's right Haemogoblin3
[04:14] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ kdesudo kate/etc/apt/sources.listsudo: kate/etc/apt/sources.list: command not found
[04:14] <Haemogoblin3> thats with me typing it out
[04:14] <Mimi> guys, its kdesudo right?!
[04:15] <andresj> #Haemogoblin3: did you j
[04:15] <andresj> ah!
[04:15] <wirechief-intel> twoshadtod http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.filefront.com%2FZero%2BBallistics%2Bv110%2BBeta%2Bfor%2BLinux%2F%3B10070204%3B%2Ffileinfo.html&ei=r8EjSPXiFoHUpgT9wuC_Cw&usg=AFQjCNFlIHsJLCNcRMmyInoXLdDPSmyFhw&sig2=phqji5hWGvMpsOe7sFILcA
[04:15] <andresj> I forgot this is not the command line, that you can comment out a line by adding # :D
[04:15] <Mimi> andresj,  its kdesudo? or kdesu ?
[04:15] <andresj> kdesudo I think
[04:16] <andresj> but try kdesu
[04:16] <andresj> because that also exists here
[04:16] <Mimi> lol I feel bad for this mess :)
[04:16] <wirechief-intel> twoshadtod thats a great tank game
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> i just tried kdesu
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> same error
[04:17] <Mimi> holy bunny
[04:17] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:18] <andresj> type `sudo -i`, type the password, and then `curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list` and then `exit`
[04:18] <Mimi> Wwwooooowww that's so cool :)
[04:18] <andresj> :D
[04:18] <Mimi> but curl is on a fresh install? lol i doubt it  *rolf!*
[04:18] <andresj> actually, do this then, instead of the curl thing: `wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list`
[04:19] <wirechief-intel> just apt-get install curl
[04:19] <Mimi> :-)
[04:19] <Mimi> Nah, dont make him install anything yet, lets just get this thing clear....
[04:19] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo -i[sudo] password for haemogoblin:root@Compaq:~# curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.listThe program 'curl' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:apt-get install curlYou will have to enable the component called 'main'-bash: curl: command not foundroot@Compaq:~#
[04:20] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: yeah use "wget -O -" instead of "curl" :D
[04:20] <Mimi> wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:20] <Mimi> ^ that
[04:20] <andresj> I forgot it wasn't installed by default
[04:20] <Mimi> Poor Haemogoblin3 , he must be thinking we're / I am a bunch of ... bunnies... or something... ;p
[04:20] <andresj> :D
[04:20] <Haemogoblin3> well something happened
[04:20] <Mimi> :)
[04:21] <andresj> then its done
[04:21] <Haemogoblin3> root@Compaq:~# curl http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.listThe program 'curl' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:apt-get install curlYou will have to enable the component called 'main'-bash: curl: command not foundroot@Compaq:~# sudo -iroot@Compaq:~# wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list--04:20:41--  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11054/plain/
[04:21] <Haemogoblin3> te.ubuntu.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKLength: unspecified [text/plain]    [ <=>                                 ] 2,639         --.--K/s04:20:41 (48.17 MB/s) - `-' saved [2639]
[04:22] <Mimi> That's a green light for GO, right? andresj  ?
[04:22] <andresj> yes I'm guessing yeah
[04:22] <Haemogoblin3> erm so am i flash enabled now
[04:22] <Mimi> or should he      more /etc/apt/sources.list | grep multiverse
[04:22] <Mimi> Alright, I guess that's a GO   xD
[04:22] <andresj> I tihnk that wont be necessary
[04:22] <Mimi> oops
[04:22] <Mimi> Ok, yes. Open adept manager     again  (someone remind him where it is)
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> i know
[04:23] <Mimi> yay
[04:23] <andresj> wait, won't it be easier to let firefox install it for you?
[04:23] <Mimi> Sure? Let's give it a go
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> eeep
[04:23] <andresj> cuz now it can install it when a page with flash is opened
[04:23] <Haemogoblin3> ok
[04:23] <Mimi> Oh RLY. Alright :) Install Firefox first then  :)
[04:23] <Mimi> Cool beans
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> i'll go find firefox
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hey mimi thats my saying
[04:24] <Mimi> be careful, it burns to the touch
[04:24] <andresj> lol
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> and its with a z at the end
[04:24] <Mimi> ^^
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> Kewl beanz!
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> :P
[04:24] <Mimi> k00l b3anz?
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hehehe
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> you have to like an os that comes packed with a torrent client
[04:24] <Haemogoblin3> hahaha
[04:25] <Mimi>  FIrefox: Contents are hot. Handle carefully.
[04:25] <Mimi> lol yea!
[04:25] <Mimi> I made my final move to Linux today : I finally formatted my backup drive from ntfs to ext :D
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: congrats :D
[04:26] <Mimi> ^_^
[04:26] <andresj> lol I did that about one year ago
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> your soul is ours now.
[04:26] <andresj> :D
[04:26] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[04:26] <Haemogoblin3> firefox is having me download the flash plugin
[04:26] <Mimi> :-) My soul was Ubuntu's ever since I started using it *heart beats fast* : )
[04:26] <Mimi> Nice...
[04:26] <Mimi> Ubuntu is 99% of everything I could ask from an OS :)
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> sigh
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> ok that didnt go to plan
[04:27] <Mimi> What happened
[04:27] <andresj> what happened
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> i was directed tot eh adobe website to download the player
[04:27] <Mimi> Eh. Plan B :)
[04:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: just out of curiosity, what's the other 1%
[04:27] <andresj> that isnt what I expected wither
[04:27] <Haemogoblin3> i downloaded the tar.gz file
[04:27] <Mimi> Go back to adept  and search for that  flash nonfree thingie
[04:27] <andresj> no need to do that, Haemogoblin3.
[04:28] <Mimi> Nah dont get the tar file *wink*
[04:28] <Mimi> Adobe hates us.
[04:28] <andresj> sudo apt-get install flash-nonfree
[04:28] <andresj> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:28] <Mimi> Daisuke_Ido,    random minor bugs here and there
[04:28] <Mimi> Hey andresj  I thought you didn't want me to encourage him to use konsole!! :P
[04:29] <andresj> :D lol
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Mimi: perfectly understandable
[04:29] <andresj> well in any case I gave him the package name :)
[04:29] <Mimi> Yeah :)
[04:29] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still running into little things like that almost two years after switching
[04:29] <Mimi> does konsole have the TAB auto completion thingie?
[04:29] <andresj> yes
[04:29] <Mimi> alright
[04:30] <Mimi> My best friends are Ubuntu + terminal  + TAB completition  thingy
[04:30] <andresj> :)
[04:30] <andresj> I never noticed I could do "sudo apt-get install fire" + TAB and have firefox
[04:30] <Haemogoblin3> Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DonePackage flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another sourceE: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidatehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$
[04:31] <andresj> Do update
[04:31] <andresj> Update Package list I think its called
[04:31] <Mimi> What andresj  means is do    sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <Mimi> or that....
[04:31] <Haemogoblin3> thanks mimi
[04:31] <andresj> which do you feel more comfortable doing, Haemogoblin3? the terminal or the gui?
[04:32] <Mimi> AFTER update, do             sudo apt-get upgrade                   and AFTER that's done, do the sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:32] <Mimi> andresj,  eek, he's only been using kubuntu for about a hour and a half ;) might be too early for him to know ^^
[04:32] <adf585> alguien de mexico
[04:32] <adf585> ??
[04:32] <andresj> true, true
[04:32] <Mimi> !espanol
[04:32] <adf585> sip
[04:32] <andresj> adf585: yo soy de peru, pero si hablo espanol :D
[04:32] <adf585> okok
[04:32] <adf585> al fin
[04:32] <adf585> ejej
[04:33] <adf585> q  roio
[04:33] <Mimi> Aaah spanish sounds soooo nice :)
[04:33] <adf585> como estan
[04:33] <andresj> :)
[04:33] <andresj> bien bien
[04:33] <adf585> cual es su bussines
[04:33] <Mimi> muy bien, y tu ? (my espanol es malo ;) )
[04:33] <Mimi> usted? tu?
[04:33] <Mimi> lol
[04:33] <andresj> lol
[04:33] <dbglt> kde 4.04. Whenever I change fonts in systemsettings, they do not persist, and do not apply in other applications. Any ideas what is up?
[04:33] <andresj> estamso ayudando a un noob de uan hora y media :D
[04:33] <neogmx> wut
[04:34] <neogmx> is this spanish or english channel?
[04:34] <Mimi> english :P
[04:34] <neogmx> lol
[04:34] <Mimi> spanglish?
[04:34] <Haemogoblin3> to be honest...if i was up on the commands for the terminal i'd be ok with it
[04:34] <neogmx> am a spanish speaker but i was like "whoops wrong channel" then i saw 2 spanish ones
[04:34] <neogmx> i was like what happen to the english one
[04:34] <andresj> yeah probablemente deveriamos hablar en espanol en #kubuntu-es
[04:34] <Haemogoblin3> it reminds me pretty much of dos...
[04:34] <andresj> porque nos van a empezar a botar :)
[04:34] <neogmx> sip
[04:34] <neogmx> sip
[04:35] <Haemogoblin3> unscorchio!
[04:35] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  yeah in that case.... :)  remember if you're not sure what a command is called, you can usually start typing a few letters then press TAB to have konsole provide you with sugestions
[04:35] <Haemogoblin3> right..
[04:35] <andresj> but write two letters or more
[04:35] <andresj> cuz if not you'll get 100 commands :D
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> i might actually read up on kubutu first
[04:36] <Mimi> So what's going on Haemogoblin3    ....  did you do the update upgrade thingy?
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> it's doing it now
[04:36] <Haemogoblin3> and razzing my hdd like a nutter
[04:36] <K`zan_emc> restarting into kde!  Thanks stdin !
[04:37] <Mimi> brb im gonna log in to kde (im on gnome)
[04:37] <andresj> yeah you should probably enable automatic upgrades so that you don't have to go through this everyday
[04:37] <Mimi> arent they enabled by default in kde?!?!  I'm on KDE now :D
[04:38] <Haemogoblin3> AFTER update, do             sudo apt-get upgrade                   and AFTER that's done, do the sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:38] <andresj> Mimi, you using kde3 or kde4?
[04:39] <Haemogoblin3> is what i just did
[04:39] <andresj> what did it say exactly?
[04:39] <Haemogoblin3> ldconfig deferred processing now taking placehaemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfreeReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DonePackage flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another sourceE: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no ins
[04:39] <Mimi> O-o they might have changed it since last time.  install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[04:40] <Mimi> andresj,  im running 3.5.9 ---- is 4   worth updating to yet?
[04:41] <andresj> Mimi, the effects are good, although I play so many 3d games its just not worth it to enable and disable it every time
[04:41] <andresj> the style is pretty good
[04:41] <Haemogoblin3> How do i do that mimi
[04:41] <Mimi> the effects are kde effects, not compiz effects?
[04:41] <andresj> kde effects
[04:41] <nas> anyone knows of a good keylogger program for gutsy?
[04:41] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras :D
[04:41] <Mimi> Without the smiley!
[04:41] <andresj> lol
[04:42] <Haemogoblin3> are you sure :P
[04:42] <Mimi> *shakes head*  I hate kde its too much like windows :P
[04:42] <andresj> no, actually the smiley is required by the program
[04:42] <nas> anyone?
[04:42] <andresj> Mimi, kde4 is less like windows
[04:42] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extrasReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[04:42] <andresj> specially because of the plasma thing
[04:43] <andresj> Mimi, are you using hardy?
[04:43] <Mimi> andresj,  everything is so complicated looking in kde, for me that is. i like the simplicity of gnome.  like that adept manager, its a eye sore!! you try the gnome add remove... its so clean and easy to use!
[04:43] <Mimi> yes i am andresj
[04:43] <andresj> yeah adept manager is seriously bad
[04:43] <nas> keylogger
[04:43] <Mimi> sudo apt-get install gnome-app-install    *snickers*
[04:43] <Mimi> I have no idea nas
[04:43] <Haemogoblin3> well getting flash to work seem nutz
[04:43] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:44] <andresj> i didnt like to use it before, but when i upgraded to kde4 I switched to aptitude
[04:44] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  nah its not, we messed it up for you ^^
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> :(
[04:44] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: it actually is one of the easist things to do
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> well it doesnt seem it
[04:44] <andresj> I mean it should be
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> lol
[04:44] <Mimi> Its just been a while for us Haemogoblin3  so we dont remember all the little details, a few things have changed since we last had to do this :P
[04:44] <o0Chris0o> hello guys, anyone familiar with ubottu bot and its functions plz PM me or join me in #ubuntu-irc, I have some questions. Thanks
[04:44] <Haemogoblin3> i'm just reading the adobe guide
[04:45] <Haemogoblin3> # Click the "Download .tar.gz" link. A dialog box will appear asking you where to save the file.# Save the .tar.gz file to your desktop and wait for the file to download completely.# Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_9_linux will be created.# In terminal, navigate to this directory and type ./flashplayer-installer to run the installer. Click Enter. The installer will instruct you to shut dow
[04:45] <Haemogoblin3> be installed in your Mozilla browser. To verify, launch Mozilla and choose Help > About Plug-ins from the browser men
[04:45] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  noooooo :)
[04:45] <Mimi> damn
[04:46] <andresj> I know whats wrong
[04:46] <andresj> there are two lines missing in the sources.list
[04:47] <Mimi> There are? we enabled multiverse
[04:47] <andresj> enabled multiverse for the backports
[04:47] <andresj> but not for the main
[04:47] <Mimi> yaarp
[04:48] <andresj> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:48] <[B5C]wallabee> kde is always freezing or i get a white or black screen. is there another way then adding vesa to the xorg to get kubuntu 8.04 working with 9700 mobility?
[04:48] <[B5C]wallabee> i tried kde 3 and kde4 same prob
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> ok i followed that link
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> and it's opened up a new window
[04:48] <andresj> `sudo -i` Enter pasword. `wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list` Enter. `exit`
[04:48] <Haemogoblin3> plain - kate
[04:49] <andresj> yes that's what should be in your sources.list
[04:49] <andresj> just update it like we did before
[04:49] <andresj> and then update, upgrade and install
[04:49] <Mimi> andresj, you might want to clear that thing , it looks confusing to read....  the sudo thing
[04:49] <Mimi> In other words.
[04:50] <Mimi> Type      sudo -i           press enter and enter password
[04:50] <Mimi> type             wget -O - http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/ > /etc/apt/sources.list                 then enter
[04:50] <Mimi> let it do its thing.
[04:50] <Mimi> then  type              exit
[04:51] <andresj> and Enter :D
[04:51] <Mimi> ofcourse =^..^=
[04:51] <o0Chris0o> j/ #supybot
[04:51] <Mimi> ?
[04:52] <Mimi> andresj,    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash     *.... blush*
[04:52] <Haemogoblin3> my machines gone silly
[04:52] <andresj> actually, I just thought of a simpler command: `sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/`
[04:53] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: how did it go silly?
[04:53] <Haemogoblin3> that last command worked
[04:54] <Haemogoblin3> my video is slow and laggt
[04:54] <andresj> what video?
[04:54] <andresj> flash video?
[04:54] <Haemogoblin3> and i have a random A inside a box in the middle of the chat window
[04:54] <andresj> that is wierd.
[04:54] <andresj> you should finish upgrading
[04:55] <andresj> and then restart the X server or computer
[04:55] <Haemogoblin3> haemogoblin@Compaq:~$ sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/--04:53:29--  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11059/plain/           => `/etc/apt/sources.list'Resolving paste.ubuntu.com... <IP_ADDRESS>Connecting to paste.ubuntu.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKLength: unspecified [text/plain]    [ <=>                                 ] 2,899
[04:55] <andresj> (to restart the X server, logout, click on the menu, and click on "restart X server")
[04:55] <andresj> that means it worked
[04:55] <Haemogoblin3> cool
[04:55] <andresj> Mimi, you still there?
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> i'm falling asleep almost
[04:56] <andresj> lol
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> :S
[04:56] <andresj> what step are you in?
[04:56] <Haemogoblin3> ??
[04:57] <andresj> `sudo apt-get update`, `sudo apt-get upgrade`, `sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree`
[04:57] <andresj> :D
[05:00] <Mimi> Sorry I was putting my boyfriend to bed :)
[05:00] <Haemogoblin3> Sweet beans its working
[05:00] <Mimi> YAY! :D
[05:01] <Mimi> So it was the non backports multiverse andresj ?
[05:01] <andresj> yes
[05:01] <andresj> it most definiely is :D
[05:01] <Mimi> Did you see that link I sent though?
[05:01] <andresj> yes
[05:01] <andresj> I have it open right now
[05:01] <Mimi> It says adobe provides the installer now? :/ so the flashplugin-nonfree still works eh
[05:02] <andresj> it says adobe provides flash, it doesnt say it provides the installer
[05:02] <Kr|ptiX> can somone help me install a amarok theme
[05:02] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: what is the problem?
[05:03] <Haemogoblin3> right i'm going to bed...
[05:03] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: im tryn to install a theme but its not applying on restart
[05:03] <andresj> how did you install it?
[05:04] <Mimi> Already? well goodnight Haemogoblin3   ... come back tomorrow :)
[05:04] <andresj> Haemogoblin3: :D see you then
[05:04] <Haemogoblin3> dudes and dudet...if you could drop me an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>incase i can't find my way back here after a nights sleep
[05:04] <andresj> lol
[05:04] <Mimi> pfft!
[05:04] <Mimi> Youll be fine :P
[05:05] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: i just clicked on download new style
[05:05] <Haemogoblin3> i actually dont recall how i found this forum..
[05:05] <andresj> mmm... this might be ovbious but are you using File->Quit to restart it? :P
[05:05] <Mimi> Haemogoblin3,  whats the name of the program youre using to chat with us?
[05:05] <andresj> konversation, probably im guessing
[05:05] <Mimi> Yea
[05:05] <Haemogoblin3> soo if you dont see me tomorrow..give me a shout....i might be lost in cyber space
[05:06] <Haemogoblin3> kopete
[05:06] <andresj> ohh
[05:06] <Mimi> oooh kopete .. *adds email*
[05:06] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yeah i am
[05:06] <Haemogoblin3> its gng slower then a 486
[05:07] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: is it in ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/themes/ ?
[05:07] <Haemogoblin3> i best shut down
[05:07] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yelp
[05:07] <Haemogoblin3> byeeeee
[05:07] <Mimi> bye ^_^
[05:08] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: wierd
[05:08] <andresj> what files are in its folder?
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> andresj: yeah i kno
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> a style sheet an a image fodler
[05:08] <Kr|ptiX> folder*
[05:09] <[B5C]wallabee> i really hate it kde freezes with vesa gr
[05:09] <andresj> Kr|ptiX: no idea :(
[05:10]  * Mimi promptly searches for Apple styles
[05:10] <andresj> Apply styles?
[05:10] <andresj> Apple*?
[05:10] <Mimi> aqua, leopard, etc etc
[05:10] <andresj> ah.. ohhh!
[05:10] <andresj> got it
[05:11] <Mimi> I heard kde styles are very difficult to install compared to gnome's  (drag file to Appearance box)
[05:11] <andresj> mmmm... make; sudo make install
[05:11] <andresj> although some come with ubuntu debs already
[05:11] <Mimi> eek :O :O  *hair raises in terror*
[05:11] <andresj> lol
[05:12] <andresj> I wonder how that works
[05:12] <andresj> the gnome drag file thing
[05:12] <andresj> are gnome styles just images or sth?
[05:13] <Mimi> Well you can open Appearance properties, you can drag the tar file to it, or click the Install button (where you locate the tar file) and it takes a sec, then it asks if you want to keep your current setup or if you want to apply the new theme.
[05:13] <Mimi> I hate when windows people use kde at first... its so complicated.
[05:13] <andresj> well yeah it is complicated in many aspects
[05:13] <Mimi> Like, how can you except a new user to do the whole make, make install  deal?!
[05:14] <andresj> the hardest part of that is installing the -dev packages manually
[05:14] <Mimi> oh yeah
[05:14] <Mimi> That's a lot to  ask from a newbie
[05:15] <andresj> true, true
[05:16] <Mimi> Like, right now, I downloaded the kde Daurora style... no instructions.. so I think "ok it must be easy then"..... so I open the tar, and it has 2 pictures and 2  kcsrc files..... so I think "... mmmk..." .... then ....
[05:16] <[B5C]wallabee> my battery status stays at 11% is there anything i can do?
[05:16] <Mimi> then i go to Configure > Apearance > Style  ....  THere's nothing there regarding installing a new style
[05:17] <Mimi> And I'm not even new to kde, ive used it on and off since ....1997?
[05:17] <andresj> yeah I really think stuff like that should be automated
[05:18] <Mimi> seriously... im looking aorund in the control center and I still dont see the option to install a style lol
[05:18] <andresj> i just asked in ##gnome how do their system work
[05:18] <andresj> to see if it is viable to use it in kde, too
[05:19] <Mimi> definately not
[05:19] <andresj> definetly not what?
[05:19] <Mimi> it applies styles to gnome apps only.
[05:19] <andresj> I know.
[05:19] <andresj> I mean a similar system
[05:19] <Mimi> oh ok
[05:19] <andresj> :P
[05:20] <joseph> !wm-manager
[05:20] <joseph> !virtualbox
[05:23] <andresj> Mimi: ok so GNOME styles are a group of images and conf files. KDE styles are libraries.
[05:24] <Mimi> *shrug* I don't care what it is, I just want it to work without me having to spend a whole afternoon making it work *wink* ^^
[05:24] <andresj> lol
[05:24] <andresj> well yeah I mean it should compile it automatically, or the people should provide compiled packages already
[05:25] <Mimi> well see this Daurora, it doesnt even look complicated, its just 2 files ;p
[05:26] <andresj> I think it will be easier now that cmake is being used
[05:27] <Mimi> lol... i dbl click the file and its just a text file... what in the name of god do i do with it? i bet god himself doenst even know ^^
[05:27] <leo_rockw> greetings #kubuntu
[05:27] <Mimi> aloha
[05:27] <andresj> #kubuntu says hi :P
[05:27] <leo_rockw> :-)
[05:28] <leo_rockw> aloh speme
[05:28] <leo_rockw> aloha*
[05:29] <Mimi> Does anyone know how to install a theme... lol seriously.... so I got .. ummm i managed to get to Theme manager... but when I pick Install it doesnt  list the thing i downloaded  xD
[05:29] <leo_rockw> i'm bored... nobody with broken grubs or amarok-don't-play-mp3s?
[05:29] <[B5C]wallabee> :)
[05:29] <[B5C]wallabee> my batterystatus is wrong
[05:30] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: what does it say?
[05:30] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: hello
[05:30] <andresj> Mimi: what files are in the tar?
[05:30] <[B5C]wallabee> it says 2 batterys and 11%
[05:31] <[B5C]wallabee> i have 1 battery and 100%
[05:31] <Mimi> andresj,  2 screenshots      1 daurora-look.kcsrc        1 domino_daurora-lookrc
[05:31] <[B5C]wallabee> acer travelmate 4000 with kde3
[05:31] <andresj> oohhh... THAT kind of style... lol
[05:31] <Mimi> .. that kinda style? lol
[05:31] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: where do you get the readings from?
[05:32] <andresj> it would be called a theme I think
[05:32] <[B5C]wallabee> ?battery 2. what do u mean?
[05:32] <Mimi> mmm i could swear I clicked /styles/ in kde-look ;p
[05:32] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: what app
[05:32] <[B5C]wallabee> the small battery icon in the panel
[05:32] <dennister> hey channel, any recommendations for an accounting/inventory program to install on my kubuntu database server?
[05:33] <andresj> Mimi, what is the page in kde-look?
[05:33] <Mimi> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daurora?content=65297
[05:33] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: the green one w/ the yellow thingy?
[05:33] <[B5C]wallabee> jep
[05:33] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: there's another monitor, that's why i'm asking
[05:33] <andresj> Mimi, that's a Domino style
[05:33] <andresj> so you have to install Domino first
[05:34] <dennister> no way will i ever trust sql-ledger again, tinyerp and egroupware seem way too huge for just me, i'm looking at postbooks now...any other ideas/recommendations?
[05:34] <Mimi> O_O
[05:34] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: i believe it's called klaptopdaemon... idk if it will give you the same readings, tho. idk how that other app gets its readings.
[05:34] <setuid_w00t> Are there any serious issues that I should be aware of before I try to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy?
[05:35] <andresj> Mimi: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42804
[05:35] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: do you have a broadcom wireless card?
[05:35] <setuid_w00t> leo_rockw: Nope, this is a desktop
[05:35] <andresj> just untar this one, ./configure; make; sudo make install
[05:36] <[B5C]wallabee> kloptopdaemon shows the real status ;)
[05:36] <leo_rockw> [B5C]wallabee: yay!
[05:36] <Mimi> theres a wiki page with a list of issues... cant find it..
[05:36] <andresj> and then select it as your style in system settings, go into configure and put "import"
[05:36] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: that was about the only "problem" i had w/ hardy
[05:36] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: and it was easy to solve, just get the proper drivers
[05:38] <setuid_w00t> cool, thanks
[05:38] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: and the media key didn't bind to amarok... easy to solve, just do it manually
[05:39] <leo_rockw> setuid_w00t: there's nothing else i recall having problems with. but different things might happen w/ different hardware
[05:41] <Mimi> Aaaaah Gnome... :) *sits back and enjoys the show*
[05:41] <andresj> lol
[05:41] <leo_rockw> Mimi: gnome > /dev/null
[05:41] <Mimi> pffftt   kde>/dev/null
[05:42] <Mimi> I just can't make myself use kde... i've tried. I've tried lots.
[05:42]  * leo_rockw shakes his arm: you shall pay for this Mimi, you hear me? you shall pay!
[05:42] <leo_rockw> lol
[05:42] <Mimi> ;p
[05:42] <leo_rockw> to each his own, i don't like gnome.
[05:43] <andresj> Mimi: I can say the same thing about gnome
[05:43] <Mimi> If I wanted to spend a whole week trying to make my desktop look half decent, I would go back to Windoz  ^^;;
[05:43] <andresj> its not that it is not good, but I just cant get used to it
[05:43] <leo_rockw> Mimi: you can change absolutely everything in kde
[05:43] <raket> hey people, why there are extensions for firefox in the add/remove programs?
[05:43] <andresj> raket: why not?
[05:43] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  yeah i know but theres soooooo many options with no details of what thye do that its just too overwhelming
[05:44] <raket> are they somehow modified to work under linux?
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: exactly :-)
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: i likey...
[05:44] <leo_rockw> Mimi: just stay with the DE that you feel comfortable with
[05:44] <raket> andresj?
[05:44] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  it shoudlnt take me a week to make my desktop look good... it took me a few minutes in gnome....
[05:45] <andresj> raket: a couple of them are specific to ubuntu
[05:45] <leo_rockw> Mimi: i really don't care about looks
[05:45] <andresj> the rest are just there for convenience
[05:45] <raket> I was only wondering where should I install them from
[05:45] <leo_rockw> Mimi: my wallpapers were randomly chosen from kde-look
[05:46] <Mimi> I see your point, but for me, leo_rockw  ,  the gnome looks i have make me work better.  much much better... i dont know
[05:46] <andresj> Intrepid is the name for the next release :D
[05:46] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  I only have 1 wallpaper at a time, something soft, not distracting *cough* its actually the mac/aqua wallpaper but in a soft gray-blue
[05:47] <leo_rockw> Mimi: yeah, you would have 1 wallpaper in gnome. i have 10 lol
[05:47] <raket> alright. So I installed 7zip in Kubuntu (ofcourse) but I don't see the program's shortcut anywhere. what's the deal, does anyone know?
[05:47] <Mimi> leo_rockw,  theres a lil app in the repos that makes it so you can do that too, i just choose not to. having a internet connection is distraction enough
[05:48] <leo_rockw> raket: 7zip is for console
[05:48] <Mimi> MOAR isnt always better
[05:48] <raket> leo_rockw: what? there's no GUI?!
[05:48] <andresj> raket: you can use ark
[05:48] <leo_rockw> raket: you might be able to make ark and 7zip play along... i never did it but it's probably possible
[05:48] <raket> andresj: I know, I just prefer 7zip
[05:48] <andresj> Ark uses the 7zip console program
[05:48] <andresj> *I think
[05:49] <andresj> the 7zip gui program for linux just doesnt exist
[05:49] <raket> hmm
[05:49]  * Mimi is tired... goes see some lolcats
[05:50] <leo_rockw> wikipedia uses 7zip... just letting you know :-P
[05:50]  * andresj impatiently waits for Kubuntu Hardy KDE 4 Remix to download and being able to install KDE 4.0.4 and the "Toogle Composite" plasmoid
[05:50] <leo_rockw> 404 is out?
[05:50] <leo_rockw> not found...
[05:50] <andresj> yes
[05:51] <leo_rockw> (pfft, bad joke)
[05:51] <andresj> didn't get it lol :D
[05:51] <leo_rockw> 404 not found
[05:51] <leo_rockw> you never got that from your browser?
[05:51] <andresj> yes I have
[05:51] <andresj> I thought you were asking for help lol
[05:51] <leo_rockw> haha, nah.
[05:52] <leo_rockw> when's 4.1 coming out? july?
[05:52] <andresj> yes
[05:52] <leo_rockw> sweet... i might install it again then
[05:52] <andresj> the alpha is already out, though but there is no package
[05:52] <leo_rockw> andresj: did you try the neon packages of amarok?
[05:52] <Dad_> My CD drive isn't working. In KDE control panel it is set as Type: devfs  Mount Point: /media/cdrom0 Device (by name): /dev/scd0  Options: utf8.  Is that right?
[05:52] <andresj> leo_rockw: that's what I was about to talk about lol
[05:53] <andresj> I have, in gutsy
[05:53] <andresj> but they don't work
[05:53] <raket> is there a way to change the three left-right, and up-down arrows, in each window, to only two?
[05:53] <andresj> it says that it can't find the deb files
[05:53] <leo_rockw> i installed the alpha. it was ok, but way too buggy
[05:53] <andresj> leo_rockw: the alpha of amarok or kde?
[05:53] <leo_rockw> andresj: amarok
[05:53] <andresj> raket: yes. go to system settings, window decoration
[05:54] <leo_rockw> raket: you're talking about the buttons on top?
[05:54] <andresj> system settings->appearence->windows->buttons
[05:54] <leo_rockw> raket: what andresj said, haha
[05:54] <fildo> andresj: that polish
[05:54] <fildo>  ?
[05:54] <Mimi> Heya, what can I use to record audio that is playing on my computer? (not streams, just all sounds that are being played)
[05:54] <fildo> or russian ?
[05:54] <leo_rockw> Dad_: what happens when you put a cd in?
[05:54] <andresj> fildo: no, that's short for Andres J.
[05:54] <fildo> ok
[05:55] <andresj> lol
[05:55] <fildo> cause my brothers name is andrezej
[05:55] <fildo> but thats polska spelling
[05:55] <andresj> really? where are yo ufrom?
[05:55] <fildo> im aussie as vegimite
[05:55] <fildo> but i have polish origin
[05:55] <andresj> aussie?
[05:55] <fildo> australian
[05:55] <andresj> ohhh
[05:55] <andresj> that's cool
[05:55] <fildo> yeah i guess
[05:56] <andresj> :D I want to go there
[05:56] <fildo> :) we p.o.w.s .. @ end of day
[05:56] <fildo> ive been there, its fukn awesome
[05:56] <andresj> lol
[05:56] <Dad_> leo_rockw, nothing. And Dolphin does see it.
[05:56] <fildo> sorry for language
[05:56] <fildo> im kinda blind from the pub
[05:57] <andresj> lol no problem by me
[05:57] <raket> andresj: that wasn't it. I am talking about the buttons that appear between the sliders
[05:57] <andresj> raket: what sliders?
[05:57] <Dad_> leo-rockw, Typo. That should be Dolphin does NOT see it.
[05:57] <raket> the ones you use to go up and down on a certain page
[05:57] <raket> or left right
[05:57] <andresj> ooohhh!
[05:58] <raket> so between them, there's three buttons instead of two
[05:58] <tuanpham> have lunch now :D
[05:58] <andresj> that should be in systemsettings->appearence->style->configure...
[05:58] <andresj> but only some styles have the option to change it
[05:58] <raket> and sometimes the lower one doesn't work
[05:58] <tuanpham> bye all
[05:58] <raket> andresj: lemme see
[05:58] <raket> thanks
[05:59]  * andresj notices that his download goes 1% per minute
[06:00] <leo_rockw> Dad_: put a cd on the drive and see if dmesg tail says anything
[06:01] <raket> andresj: hell yeah! that was it! I guess now I'll have to restart the programs
[06:01] <andresj> it shouldn't be necessary
[06:01] <raket> or kde?
[06:01] <andresj> put apply
[06:01] <andresj> i mean, click apply :D
[06:01] <raket> I saw the change happen in the preview, but not anywhere else
[06:02] <raket> ahaha
[06:02] <raket> lemme restart kde, and I'll brb..
[06:03] <leo_rockw> he didn't have to restart kde... lol
[06:03] <andresj> yeah he didnt
[06:03] <andresj> 83% at 10:03
[06:03] <andresj> and 80% at 10:00
[06:03] <leo_rockw> andresj: did you try kde4 before?
[06:03] <andresj> I am using it right now
[06:03] <leo_rockw> ooo
[06:03] <andresj> I have since christmas :D
[06:04] <andresj> well actually since new year
[06:04] <leo_rockw> i couldn't let go of my 3.5.9
[06:04] <andresj> why?
[06:04] <leo_rockw> i couldn't do all the modifications i wanted. all those lil things i was telling Mimi about...
[06:05] <andresj> oh yeah yeah
[06:05] <leo_rockw> i couldn't change the "kicker" size, or hide it, or put it on top...
[06:05] <Dad_> leo_rockw, What is dmesg tail?
[06:05] <andresj> many things were disabled by 4.0.0
[06:05] <leo_rockw> i see a lot of potential, but i'll stay with 3.5.9 for now
[06:05] <andresj> leo_rockw: although that specific thing was fixed on 4.0.3
[06:05] <raket> andresj: I reloaded the programs, and that was it
[06:05] <leo_rockw> andresj: yeah, i had kde 4 until the .0.3, then did a fresh install of hardy and didn't install it again
[06:06] <leo_rockw> Dad_: in konsole (or yakuake ;-) ) input that command
[06:06] <raket> leo_rockw: what did you think of it?
[06:06] <Mimi> heya any of you  know how to record sound you hear on your computer.... yes I know there's audacity/ardour blah blah blah, im not asking about app names, but how to do it :/
[06:07] <hi5> Is anyone here familiar with incremental updating for apt etc?
[06:07] <leo_rockw> raket: i think it will be the best DE out there (and i'm including vi$ta's and os x's) but it is still buggy
[06:07] <andresj> yeah it will
[06:07] <andresj> lol
[06:07] <andresj> i cant wait for amarok and koffice 2
[06:07] <andresj> they will be the killer apps
[06:07] <leo_rockw> andresj: there are like 40 SoC projects for KDE
[06:08] <raket> SoC ?
[06:08] <hi5> summer of code
[06:08] <leo_rockw> andresj: i tried koffice 2 as well
[06:08] <raket> ah
[06:08] <hi5> or silicon on insulator
[06:08] <andresj> Summer Of C-- what he said
[06:08] <raket> :)
[06:08] <andresj> leo_rockw: what did you tihnk of it?
[06:09] <raket> (01:07:20 AM) leo_rockw: raket: i think it will be the best DE out there (and i'm including vi$ta's and os x's) but it is still buggy
[06:09] <raket> :)
[06:09] <leo_rockw> andresj: looks really good. way different than OO.o
[06:09] <andresj> yeah i don't like OO.o cuz it doesn't use styles
[06:09] <raket> is it any better?
[06:09] <leo_rockw> i installed OO.o 3beta yesterday too
[06:10] <andresj> nor gtk nor kde's
[06:10] <andresj> leo_rockw: how is it? i haven't seen that one
[06:10] <leo_rockw> andresj: yeah, that's what i don't like about it
[06:10] <leo_rockw> andresj: well, i can't really compare it with 2.4, since i barely use it. it looks pretty much the same, maybe a lil faster.
[06:11] <K`zan> Hi all, got a qx5 webcam (microscope) and linux knows what it is and loads a module and seems to be well.  Tried xawtv to watch it but it keeps barfing out.  Anyone know a good app to look at a webcam?
[06:11] <andresj> :D
[06:11] <andresj> camorama?
[06:12] <K`zan> never heard of it, but will check it out - THANKS!
[06:12] <andresj> it came automatically with my isntallation :D
[06:12] <hi5> isn't that gnome?
[06:12] <mortici> why aren't my packages upgrading, it keeps stating 102 held back, why?
[06:12] <K`zan> Gnome isn't *all* bad :-)
[06:13] <hi5> well.. no, i rather like it myself for it's high usability
[06:13] <andresj> mortici: maybe upgrade them manually, using aptitude?
[06:13] <hi5> still, i could have sworn there was a kde webcam app
[06:13] <hi5> i can't find it in repos tho
[06:13] <hi5> gqcam maybe?
[06:13] <mortici> dependencie issues
[06:13] <mortici> i just upgraded from feisty to hardy
[06:14] <mortici> i just changed my sources to hardy is there anything else i might need to do?
[06:14] <leo_rockw> mortici: you can't upgrade from feisty to hardy
[06:14] <mortici> wow i fail
[06:14] <mortici> then do i have to upgrade to gutsy
[06:14] <mortici> then hardy
[06:15] <mortici> or do a fresh install?
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: yeah
[06:15] <mortici> leo_rockw: yeah?
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: you can only upgrade to hardy from gutsy or from the previous lts (was it dapper?)
[06:15] <leo_rockw> mortici: either upgrade to gutsy and then hardy or do a fresh install
[06:15] <mortici> ok cool ill try to upgrade to gutsy first
[06:15] <andresj> what is the last lst using?
[06:15] <andresj> what kde i mean
[06:16] <leo_rockw> andresj: idk, i started w/ feisty
[06:16] <andresj> i did too :D
[06:16] <Dad_> leo_rockw, no, dmesg tail is not giving any information. To make sure, I inserted a bluetooth receiver. Ran dmesg tail. Then inserted a CD. Then ran dmesg tail again.
[06:16] <leo_rockw> was it 3.5.7?
[06:16] <flaccid> hi im flaccid
[06:16] <flaccid>  f u
[06:16] <andresj> o. k.
[06:16] <leo_rockw> :-?
[06:16] <andresj> random
[06:16] <hi5> why, sometimes, when i hit ctrl+t for a new tab, it splits my screen into two windows? how do i close the other window pane w/o closing the whole tab?
[06:17] <hi5> *it == konquror sorry
[06:17] <andresj> hi5, in what ap--oh
[06:17] <leo_rockw> Dad_: what kind of drive is it?
[06:17] <leo_rockw> hi5: ctrl + shift + r
[06:18] <leo_rockw> hi5: you're hitting ctrl+shift+t that's why it splits
[06:18] <leo_rockw> hi5: take a look at view>split view
[06:19] <mortici> ok im trying to upgrade to gutsy but now i have 157 not being upgraded :/
[06:19] <hi5> aah
[06:19] <hi5> thanks!
[06:19] <leo_rockw> hi5: np
[06:19] <leo_rockw> mortici: was your feisty fully upgraded?
[06:19] <andresj> FINALLY!
[06:19] <andresj> hardy is downloaded! :D
[06:20] <leo_rockw> andresj: are you going to do a fresh install?
[06:20] <hi5> i think my keyboard has issues... it must be thinking i'm hitting T. good to know how to undo it since i'm not replacing my laptop kb anytime soon
[06:20] <andresj> leo_rockw: yes
[06:20] <leo_rockw> hi5: switch to colemak :-P
[06:21] <Dad_> leo_rockw, says Super multi LG SecurDisc on the front of the drive.
[06:21] <hi5> colemak?
[06:21] <raket> is the Kubuntu search tool (ksearch) any good? I've been testing it and sometimes it doesn't return results that I know are there
[06:21] <mortici> leo_rockw: should have been i can set the sources back to fiesty try to upgrade it
[06:21] <mortici> and then try gutsy again
[06:21] <leo_rockw> hi5: different keyboard layout
[06:21] <raket> is there anything better?
[06:21] <leo_rockw> raket: locate
[06:21] <hi5> lol, i just found colemak.com
[06:21] <hi5> yeah, may as well switch do dvorak
[06:22] <leo_rockw> hi5: colemak is easier when switching from qwerty
[06:23] <raket> leo_rockw: I found 2 programs. one is "Tracker search tool" and the other "Search for files"
[06:23] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is from console
[06:23] <leo_rockw> raket: then there's strigi
[06:23] <raket> I'm not a console guy, yet
[06:23] <hi5> why would switching to http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png alleviate a problem with the shift, ctrl, alt circuits being screwy!? lol
[06:24] <hi5> oh well, your esoteric joke has at least versed me in yet another new keyboard layout :P
[06:24] <mortici> feisty is fully upgraded
[06:24] <mortici> trying gutsy upgrade again
[06:25] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is superb
[06:25] <mortici> ok gutsy is going
[06:25] <leo_rockw> raket: locate file
[06:25] <leo_rockw> hi5: you can use capslock as control in kde
[06:26] <leo_rockw> hi5: you don't need capslock anyway
[06:27] <raket> somebody just reminded me about beagle, so I'll try that before strigi. maybe I'll use locate soon, but right now I don't wanna waste too much time on the console. I wanna move to it gradually
[06:27] <leo_rockw> raket: locate is the simplest command there is, lol. strigi is for kde
[06:28] <grupohalis> .
[06:28] <leo_rockw> raket: those are indexers, they make your comp goes slower too...
[06:28] <leo_rockw> grupohalis: . indeed
[06:29] <leo_rockw> raket: with locate you update the database when you feel like it
[06:29] <leo_rockw> raket: ooo, there's kerry for beagle
[06:30] <raket> leo_rockw: well I know that windows has an index option that is easily disable-able :) so isn't there an option like that in beagle/strigi ?
[06:30] <leo_rockw> raket: mmhhh... there might be. i haven't used them.
[06:30] <mortici> holy chit, i shoud of upgraded to gutsy a while ago 1038 files need to be upgrade :(
[06:30] <raket> that would be a service anyway, so I should be able to turn it off
[06:30] <leo_rockw> raket: true
[06:30] <raket> what's kerry though?
[06:31] <leo_rockw> raket: kde frontend to beagle
[06:31] <raket> beagle that's integrated to kde?
[06:31] <raket> i don't get what's you're saying
[06:32] <leo_rockw> raket: beagle is only the service, you need smth to make it work. kerri is the app you use in kde to make beagle work
[06:32] <raket> ahhh, cool
[06:33] <t3hwiz0rd> what is the name of KDE's power manager?
[06:33] <t3hwiz0rd> like, whats the actual command?
[06:33] <leo_rockw> t3hwiz0rd: guidance-power-manager
[06:35] <o0Chris0o> hello guys, anyone familiar with ubottu bot and its functions plz PM me or join me in #ubuntu-irc, I have some questions. Thanks
[06:36] <mortici> !ubottu
[06:47] <noaXess> good morning..
[06:47] <noaXess> is it better to remove kde-guidance-powermanagement if i use kpowersave?
[06:59] <mortici> is there a way to pass an automatic YES to apt-get install?
[07:01] <mortici> nvm
[07:01] <mortici> i RTFM'd
[07:14] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[07:18] <eagles0513875> how do i get flash to work in firefox3 beta 5
[07:18] <dennister> hi everyone...have some questions regarding hardy's users and groups...
[07:18] <noaXess> are ther some variables that i can use in shel programming.. lik eg. ${internal_ip} or like this?
[07:18] <raket> hey people, how can I mount my flash drive? I am in recovery mode (in xubuntu) and the thing won't mount itself automatically
[07:18] <raket> for some reason
[07:18] <raket> sorry for asking here, but nobody is responding in #xubuntu
[07:19] <noaXess> raket: sudo mount device
[07:19] <eagles0513875> !flash
[07:19] <eagles0513875> !gnash
[07:19] <noaXess> just unplug it.. the do a tail -f /var/log/messages
[07:19] <dennister> for instance, there's a group1001 that is new to hardy, and sambashare, a new system group...what is their relationship?
[07:20] <noaXess> then plugin the flash to see what /dev it is
[07:20] <raket> noaXess: It says "can't find device in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[07:20] <raket> after sudo mount device
[07:20] <raket> shall I try the other one?
[07:20] <noaXess> raket: my exampla was only to show how.. normaly you need the device part like /dev/sdb
[07:21] <noaXess> first.. unplug the flash..
[07:21] <noaXess> ok?
[07:21] <raket> ok
[07:21] <raket> and plug it back?
[07:21] <noaXess> then do: tail -f /var/log/messages
[07:21] <raket> oh
[07:21] <noaXess> ok?
[07:22] <raket> lemme see here
[07:22] <dennister> anyone know the relationship of group1001 to the system group sambashare? (only in hardy)
[07:22] <noaXess> raket:  if the aboce tail command runs.. plugin the flash
[07:22] <noaXess> above..
[07:22] <noaXess> then you will see, what devices it will have.. eg. /dev/sdb.. or something like tis
[07:23] <raket> noaXess: I did that, but it only show some activity that the pc was doing on some dates
[07:23] <raket> *shows
[07:23] <noaXess> no plugin the flash
[07:23] <raket> ok
[07:23] <noaXess> raket: now you should see what device it becomes
[07:23] <noaXess> .. /dev/xxx
[07:24] <raket> I don't see any changes
[07:24] <noaXess> hm..
[07:24] <noaXess> stop the tail command
[07:24] <raket> is the file system important?
[07:24] <raket> I think it's fat or fat32
[07:25] <raket> and how do I stop ctrl+c ?
[07:25] <noaXess> no.. run dmesg and check the latest entries
[07:25] <eagles0513875> the fs would be important cuz now in vista u can format flash devices as ntfs
[07:25] <noaXess> yes
[07:25] <raket> I see
[07:25] <raket> ok
[07:25] <raket> now what!?
[07:25] <noaXess> pastbin the last dmesg lines.. www.pastebin.com
[07:26] <noaXess> or the last /var/log/messages lines
[07:26] <raket> oh jeez, I can't I am not using that machine, since it's messed up
[07:26] <raket> but the last activity that it shows is dated Mar 29
[07:26] <noaXess> ??
[07:27] <raket> what?
[07:27] <noaXess> .. now.. your problem.. why you are in recovery mode and try to access to a flash drive?
[07:27] <raket> Xubuntu freezes on the loading screen
[07:27] <raket> I think the motherboard is screwed up
[07:27] <raket> I only speculate though
[07:27] <raket> :)
[07:28] <eagles0513875> something is uberly wrong
[07:28] <eagles0513875> raket: u might have a bad install
[07:28] <eagles0513875> raket: i would try a clean install from scratch
[07:29] <raket> nah, I tried other distros, they all froze
[07:29] <eagles0513875> see if u encounter the same problem and also
[07:29] <eagles0513875> raket: how olds the hard drive
[07:29] <noaXess> raket: what about running a live-cd?
[07:29] <raket> I just wanna back up some stuff
[07:29] <noaXess> then run a live-cd and backit up there
[07:29] <raket> the CD-ROM isn't recognized, even though BIOS finds it
[07:29] <raket> it's weird
[07:30] <leo_away> raket: do you get internets on the xubuntu recovery mode?
[07:30] <raket> no
[07:30] <raket> :(
[07:30] <leo_away> raket: did you try getting internets manually?
[07:30] <noaXess> boot from a live-cd and backup there
[07:30] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[07:30] <raket> let me try that, noaXess
[07:30] <noaXess> raket: in the live-cd you should see your local drive
[07:31] <raket> you mean, after I restart?
[07:31] <leo_away> o0Chris0o: edit the file?
[07:31] <raket> since, the thing won't boot
[07:31] <noaXess> raket: .. hm.. bad cd/dvd drive..
[07:31] <raket> and it's not a problematic CD, since I just finished using it on this laptop
[07:32] <raket> I am not so sure about that, I still think it's the motherboard
[07:32] <noaXess> raket: but the drive.. replace it.. or..
[07:32] <noaXess> the..
[07:32] <noaXess> n
[07:32] <leo_away> raket: try dhclient on the terminal. that might give you internets. then you can pastebin your dmesg and we can make your flash drive work
[07:32] <raket> lemme try
[07:33] <raket> i think I got it
[07:33] <raket> yes! I got internet!
[07:33] <raket> leo_away I love you!
[07:33] <leo_away> ok, do dmesg tail > file
[07:33] <leo_away> and then sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[07:33] <leo_away> and... you know the rest
[07:34] <raket> file? like file.txt ?
[07:34] <raket> I haven't used that before, sorry
[07:34] <leo_away> raket: extensions are useless in gnu/linux, but that works
[07:34] <leo_away> raket: the > means that it sends the output to a file
[07:34] <raket> ah
[07:35] <raket> but is it a normal txt file?
[07:35] <leo_away> raket: yup
[07:35] <raket> ok
[07:35] <leo_away> raket: then install pastebinit so you can pastebin the file (since you can't copy paste)
[07:36] <raket> I can't ? why not? I can just go on the website
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: aren't you in terminal?
[07:36] <raket> oh, i started x
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: ooo, ok
[07:36] <leo_away> raket: yeah, then go to the website
[07:37] <raket> should I pick a syntax ?
[07:37] <leo_away> raket: nah
[07:37] <raket> ok
[07:38] <raket> pastebin.com/d7f92104
[07:39] <leo_away> raket: do this in console
[07:39] <leo_away> raket: cd /media && mkdir flash && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/flash -o loop
[07:42] <raket> YES! that worked, AWESOME!
[07:42] <leo_away> raket: :-)
[07:42] <raket> whooooooooo!
[07:43] <leo_away> me! :-P
[07:43] <leo_away> raket: did you understand what i did? do you want me to explain it?
[07:44] <raket> haha, you! let me see
[07:44] <level1> Hi, I created a new user and now whenever I run a command as root it doesnt do anything
[07:45] <raket> ok, so how did you know what to mount leo_away?
[07:45] <raket> you saw that in the pastebin text?
[07:45] <leo_away> raket: [ 1532.937655]  sdb: sdb1
[07:46] <leo_away> raket: the pastebin text shows that when you plugged in the drive. the command i gave you created a mount point, and then mounted /dev/sdb1 in the mount point created ( /media/flash)
[07:46] <raket> what is that anyway, sdb?
[07:46] <raket> yes yes
[07:46] <leo_away> raket: sdb is the second drive. sda is the first one.
[07:47] <leo_away> raket: sdb1 is the second drive, first partition
[07:47] <raket> oh!
[07:47] <raket> I see
[07:47] <raket> and what is that -o loop?
[07:47] <leo_away> raket: it could also have been hda, or hdb
[07:48] <raket> oh, so that's how they're organized
[07:48] <raket> very nice
[07:48] <leo_away> raket: i actually don't really know what the -o loop does. when i tried mounting my external drive it told me that it couldn't mount and suggested those flags
[07:49] <raket> yes, I guess it's one of *those* things
[07:49] <raket> :)
[07:50] <leo_away> raket: ooo, i found and explanation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_device
[07:50] <jarnos> Hello. I can not uninstal kio-umountwrapper. How do you uninstall it?
[07:51] <raket> so in linux every device behaves kinda like a iso file, or am I mistaken?
[07:52] <leo_away> raket: maybe every non native filesystem does
[07:52] <leo_away> raket: well, now that you can back up your stuff, i return to the shadows...
[07:53] <raket> thanks thanks...
[07:53] <leo_away> np
[08:12] <Copter> Hello. I have ubuntu 7.10 running. If I want to install kubuntu 8 should I do a fresh installation (like winxp) or its just ok to upgrade it from within ubuntu 7.10?
[08:14] <leo_away> Copter: you can just upgrade
[08:32] <eagles05> !aptfix
[08:37] <ubuntu_> hi
[08:39] <E_mE> does anyknow know why the borders and window title of my KDE windows have all disappeared
[08:39] <E_mE> i log into my account and i just get content with no borders
[08:39] <E_mE> im using 8.04
[08:39] <E_mE> with KDE 3
[08:42] <eagles0513875> !ghost
[08:45] <Xbehave> E_mE: kwin may have crashed
[08:46] <Xbehave> try alt+f2 kwin --replace
[08:46] <E_mE> thank you.. i shall try it
[08:52] <jarnos> I could remove kio-umountwrapper only after "sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/kio-umountwrapper.postrm". Why is that?
[08:54] <E_mE> okay.. i attempted to write alt+f2 and kwin --replace
[08:54] <E_mE> but the windows won't gain focus
[08:54] <E_mE> and so i cant type into the edit fields :/
[08:54] <squee> Someone save me from insanity: How do I stop kde4 from making a noise every time i change workspaces?
[08:59] <Xbehave> E_mE, im not sure ive not got 8.04, try login in out perhaps it should just be kwin instead of kwin replace, perhaps move your /.kde/kwinrc to /.kde/kiwnrc~ and loose all your WM settings
[09:00] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[09:00] <Xbehave> squee: last time i played with kde4 i think it was under the composting effects to trigger sounds
[09:00] <eagles0513875> !version | Xbehave
[09:01] <squee> Xbehave: Thanks, I'll try looking there
[09:02] <Xbehave> try getting rid of the file? sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /home/<your name>
[09:06] <thomi> does anyone know where I can get kubuntu packages for the Qt4.4 release?
[09:09] <o0Chris0o> alright this is getting really annoying, each time I try to open up an text document I get an error saying "The Desktop Entry File /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop has an invalid menu entry  addAsPodcast" any ideas how to stop this I have no idea why this error is happening
[09:17] <Xbehave> o0Chris0o:  try getting rid of the file? sudo mv /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop /home/<your name>
[09:19] <binde> slt
[09:20] <o0Chris0o> Xbehave: thanks, I'll try that, its just been annoying, not sure whay its been doing it
[09:21] <Xbehave> dolphin isnt really ment for kde3 IMO so probably something thats come from copying Konq stuff for it, if you have the time file a bug report see if theyll fix it
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> thanks Xbehave it worked much abliged!
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> :)
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> yeah not a problem
[09:22] <o0Chris0o> I don't care for dolphin
[09:23] <o0Chris0o> should stick qith Konq as main file browser
[09:24] <kos_tom> hi
[09:24] <kos_tom> I just installed Kubuntu, but I have troubles configuring the sound. I play to play on device hw:0,1 as recognized by ALSA.
[09:24] <ct529> hi there
[09:25] <ct529> anyone using rosegarden on kubuntu 804?
[09:25] <kos_tom> if I configure this in the KDE control center, all KDE notification sounds work properly. But not Kaffeine or Amarok.
[09:25] <kos_tom> it seems that Kaffeine and Amarok are using the Xine engine, trying to use ALSA directly instead of Arts.
[09:25] <kos_tom> why is the default configuration so broken ?
[09:25] <gh> i've tried to use rosegarden, even compiled it myself, a host of errors prevent me however, ct529
[09:25] <gh> same box different distro works fine
[09:26] <ct529> gh: :(
[09:26] <gh> not sure why and haven't given it much time
[09:26] <ct529> gh: the only problem I have is the jack server
[09:26] <gh> yeah
[09:26] <kos_tom> (and same goes for amarok)
[09:26] <gh> same host of problems for me, reinstall jack a million times and rosegarden can never seem to link
[09:27] <gh> however, have you tried ubuntustudio?
[09:27] <ct529> gh: nope, I need kubuntu for work
[09:27] <gh> seems to run on that
[09:27] <gh> ah
[09:28] <gh> also had problems with the proc sync rate. had to keep it above 1000 or rose just sorted froze
[09:29] <leo_away> d3lphin is meant for kde3
[09:29] <leo_away> oops
[09:29] <leo_away> i was answering something said a long time ago, lol
[09:30] <sebbar> hi, will there be a kde3 version of the next kubuntu or was hardy the last one?
[09:30] <gh> ct529: you mind find this useful however, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=606175
[09:30] <leo_away> sebbar: that's a good question... now you make me wonder too
[09:30] <gh> google "rosegarden jack server errors" for a host of fixes.
[09:31] <gh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711391 "getting jack server to run in rosegarden"
[09:32] <gh> the latest is from a studio user so it looks to be non *buntu specific?
[09:32] <ct529> thanks gh
[09:32] <ct529> it seems very complicated will have to postpone it ....
[09:32] <ct529> thanks nonetheless!
[09:32] <gh> ct529: oh here is a simple fix! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[09:33] <sebbar> leo_away: let me ask in kubuntu-devel...
[09:33] <gh> talks about the packages you need to get things running smoothly
[09:33] <ct529> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation that is very useful :) thanks ....
[09:34] <gh> at the bottom of that page it shows how to get everything running with some more jack specific links, np
[09:48] <drepan> !repos
[09:49] <nixninja> Just installed the kde4 remix and I'm seeing alot of problems I didn't have in older version sound is very soft, laptop buttons dont work, and bluetooth doesn't work or so kbluetooth says
[09:49] <nixninja> any one have any ideas
[09:49] <drepan> I have no libdc6-dev packages, how can I go about finding them, running hardy
[09:53] <nixninja> does anyone else see alot of kde3 apps crashing in kde4?
[09:53] <llutz> drepan: you mean "libc6-dev"?
[09:53] <drepan> llutz: yes, been it is not avail
[09:54] <drepan> but libc6-dev is not avail
[09:54] <drepan> sorry new from Slack and giving Kubuntu a try
[09:54] <ct529> anyone using eclipse on kubuntu, the very last version (3.3.2), installed manually?
[09:55] <llutz> hehe, i'm just giving slack a try.
[09:55] <drepan> llutz: welcome to my world
[09:56] <drepan> llutz: do i need to change the sources.list
[09:56] <llutz> drepan: i'm on gutsy here, libc6-dev is in main-repo. no idea about hardy
[09:57] <drepan> anyone knwo how I can ghet hold of libc6-dev on Hardy?
[09:58] <ct529> drepan: it is in the repository .... just sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[09:59] <Helios> Hello friends...
[09:59] <Helios> :D
[09:59] <drepan> tells me package no avail, what repos shoudl I use
[10:00] <ct529> drepan: it is in the main rep
[10:01] <ere4si> drepan: try  apt-cache search libc6
[10:01] <Helios> better use aptitude
[10:01] <Helios> :)
[10:01] <drepan> no libc6-dev
[10:01] <ct529> drepan: that is weird
[10:02] <ct529> drepan: what repositories a=have you enbaled?
[10:02] <Helios> Enable all the Repositories in ur package manager...
[10:03] <Helios> and then u try
[10:03] <ct529> drepan: sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[10:06] <ct529> drepan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libc6-dev here it is
[10:06] <nixninja> anyone have a list of any additional repos for the kde4 remix that would be good to add?
[10:08] <Helios> lol... i have installed KDE4... but now i plan to reinstall the KDE3.5.9 version.. :S
[10:09] <wirechief> kde4 is experimental at best
[10:11] <nixninja> yeah but I love the look and feel of it
[10:11] <ct529> wirechief: but the menu is 20 times better than the old .... on mandriva they have adopted it for the 3.5.9 as well .... very successfull ....
[10:11] <nixninja> I think suse was first
[10:11] <xsacha> which menu?
[10:11] <xsacha> http://raptor-menu.org ?
[10:11] <xsacha> you guys talkin about kickoff right?
[10:12] <wirechief> there are some nice things about it but im gonna wait for it to get a little more polish ;)
[10:12] <wirechief> like ff3 man that   is a work in progress too
[10:13] <xsacha> ff3 is pretty much finished
[10:13] <wirechief> well got all my updates finished now back to sleep lol
[10:13] <ct529> xsacha: I think so .... it works really well on the company laptop where we use mandriva
[10:13] <xsacha> its almost finished in its release schedule too
[10:14] <xsacha> they finished all the beta a while ago
[10:14] <ct529> xsacha:  wirechief: unfortunately on kubuntu we are a bit "back" .... :(
[10:14] <xsacha> back?
[10:14] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: we have been using it on mandriva for around 6 months very stable
[10:15] <wirechief> xsacha: well there are still lots of updates going on so it really wont be that long
[10:15] <nixninja> any ideas why my bluetooth adapter would work in 7.10 but not in the new version
[10:16] <wirechief> doesnt use bluetooth but there was something on it last night will have to check notes
[10:17] <naught102> anyone know of any simple reminder software? I want something to beep at me after every two hours of non-idle-time
[10:17] <wirechief> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[10:17] <xsacha> you know what i need? something to remind me of when battery is low
[10:18] <xsacha> my battery keeps dying and i dunno why.. 0% battery
[10:18] <xsacha> laptop
[10:22] <wirechief-intel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:22] <cstring> hi, I have upgraded kubuntu 8.04 kde 4.0.3 release with kde 4.0.4, but when I click about kde it says kde 4.0.3? Do anyone else have the same problem?
[10:23] <wirechief-intel> those are some good information links for checking hardware
[10:25] <eagles0513875> jhutchins_wk: figured out why repos so slow
[10:26] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: is the rapro
[10:26] <ct529> xsacha: wirechief: sorry, is the raptor thing available for kde 3.5.9 in kubunt 804?
[10:26] <wirechief> ?
[10:26] <xsacha> ct529: it works on kde3, kde4, gnome, windows, macosx and linux
[10:26] <xsacha> ct529: but it isnt finished yet
[10:27] <ct529> xsacha: the website says it works only if you have kde4 installed
[10:27] <xsacha> well it's outdated
[10:27] <xsacha> kde4 was removed as dependancy
[10:28] <ct529> xsacha: http://raptor-menu.org/download
[10:28] <xsacha> ct529: yeah thats outdated list of dependancies
[10:28] <wirechief> back to sleep for now
[10:28] <xsacha> ct529: dependancies are: Qt4.4
[10:29] <ct529> xsacha: where do I get the very last version, maybe compiled for ubuntu?
[10:29] <xsacha> you dont want it right now... :P
[10:29] <xsacha> just recently got broke up in to small plugins and theres no interface
[10:30] <ct529> xsacha: grrrr .... any old version? I got so used to it on the company laptop than we I move to the university laptop that does not have it is very difficult
[10:30] <xsacha> i dunno where you get older version
[10:31] <xsacha> ct529: anyway, working on the plugins stuff right now. any help would be appreciated
[10:31] <xsacha> i just added 'background' plugin today which display the background of the interface
[10:32]  * ct529 wonders if xsacha is one of the devlopers
[10:32] <xsacha> yeah i started developing on it yesterday
[10:33] <ct529> xsacha: :)
[10:37] <djdarkman> is it me or the qt4 designer starts up with a nice segfault?
[10:37] <ct529> what is the tastymenu?
[10:37] <jussi01> !info tastymenu
[10:38] <ct529> jussi01: oh thanks .... I could read that myself .... :D
[10:38] <ct529> jussi01: what does it do that is so specil
[10:39] <jussi01> ct529: Ive no idea, Ive never used it. you could install it and have a look?
[10:40] <ct529> jussi01: this is what I did but it does not make any apparent difference ....
[10:40] <jussi01> ct529: I assume its an applet you need to add to your panel, try right click on the panel - add applet to panel - tastymenu
[10:41] <ct529> !info raptor
[10:41] <SlimeyPete> tastymenu is the default menu in hardy
[10:41] <SlimeyPete> if you have hardy, you're already running tastymenu
[10:41] <jussi01> SlimeyPete: hehe, didnt know that :)
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: it is not installed on my laptop
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: I did fresh install yesterday
[10:42] <ct529> SlimeyPete: thanks to your help :)
[10:43] <roby> sono nuovo
[10:43] <roby> c'è nessuno?
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> ct529: your laptop is running hardy?
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> or...
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> !portguese
[10:43] <ct529> !italian
[10:43] <_julian> hi all
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> flippin latin languages all look the same ;)
[10:43] <roby> ok ciao ciao
[10:43] <SlimeyPete> hi _julian
[10:44]  * ct529 hits SlimeyPete with a mallet
[10:44] <ct529> SlimeyPete: your should study harder
[10:45] <SlimeyPete> heh
[10:45] <SlimeyPete> I'm English. We don't do foreign languages.
[10:46] <ct529> SlimeyPete: bad for you ....
[10:46] <SlimeyPete> true.
[10:49] <ct529> !reverse engineering
[10:49] <ct529> !ubottu
[10:52] <hellow> has anyone here ever used osx before?
[10:52] <haemogoblin> hi there
[10:52] <hellow> I have a quick question only someone that has could answer.
[10:52] <hellow> haemogoblin, you have?
[10:53] <haemogoblin> erm sorry no
[10:53] <hellow> oh, nm :O)
[10:53] <haemogoblin> :(
[10:53] <haemogoblin> i've been using kubuntu for all of 5 hours...sadly i dont think i could help you :S
[10:53] <hellow> well, if you want to vnc to one some day, lmk :)
[10:53] <haemogoblin> hehe
[10:54] <hellow> seriously, it's weird but nobody has evr replicated the zoom window function in os-x
[10:54] <K|> is there a way to disable that annoying kwallet password?
[10:54] <v6lur> K|: in kcontrol, tick off "enable kwallet subsystem"
[10:54] <haemogoblin> how do you increase the desktop res?
[10:54] <v6lur> don't remember exact location though
[10:54] <hellow> the maximize window philosophy of auld still plauges the non os-x world.
[10:59] <K|> v6lur: thanks, but i guess then all passwords are stored decentrally
[10:59] <v6lur> guess so, yes...
[10:59] <K|> still probably better, as long as all te apps can do so
[11:02] <leo_away> hellow: both compiz-fusion and kwin-kde4 have zooming
[11:03] <hellow> leo_away, have you used osx before?
[11:03] <leo_away> hellow: yup, it didn't have zooming when i used it
[11:03] <leo_away> hellow: i used cheetah
[11:04] <hellow> it did then
[11:04] <hellow> So, there's 3 buttons prominently featured in most every os x window.
[11:04] <leo_away> hellow: i hated every second of my os X esperience
[11:04] <K|> ah, meanwhile it's possible to have no password ("") in kwallet
[11:04] <leo_away> experience*
[11:04] <hellow> it's hard to explain, but do you know the functions of the red, yellow and green buttons?
[11:04] <K|> gotta try
[11:04] <hellow> leo_away: then you can't help me and have no idea what i'm on about :)
[11:04] <hellow> thanks tho
[11:04] <leo_away> hellow: i thought they were like maximize, minimize and close
[11:05] <leo_away> hellow: it wasn't my comp, so i really didn't use it much.
[11:05] <hellow> ah, you'd assume that but that third (zoom) button is way different
[11:05] <hellow> there is no maximize in osx
[11:05] <hellow> it seems odd for someone that's never used it i know
[11:05] <leo_away> hellow: oh, it's like one of those "right mouse button" things then...
[11:05] <hellow> as i say, hard to explain. maybe i should open up a mac i have lying around on vnc to you folks to know what i'm on about... :)
[11:06] <hellow> leo, no...
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: :-P
[11:06] <hellow> it dynamically resizes the window based on it's contents
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: ooo
[11:06] <hellow> anyway, hard to explain
[11:06] <hellow> but if you have a 342x128 image
[11:06] <leo_away> hellow: maybe w/ a youtube video?