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[01:05] <GunnarHj> doko: Whatever the reason was for the l-s build failure a few hours ago, it has made it now, so you can disregard my question above.
[05:07] <hrob> hi
[05:08] <hrob> I see very old bug reports about ubuntu crashing when creating new master pointer devices...  yet  xinput2 has been around for 5 or more years.
[05:09] <hrob> I need a little help around Ubuntu's support for Wacom only... and also how Ubuntu has been crashing when creating a second master input device.
[05:09] <hrob> I'm wondering what I can do to get things going on these two fronts.
[05:11] <hrob> so, the first issue... there are many competing pen taplet/screen/touch brands out there,  yet the Ubuntu config menu specifically rejects any brand that isn't "Wacom"
[05:11] <hrob> this is super strange... considering that the other brands. such as  Yiyama  together with  Wacom/Cintiq   use the usb input devices standard.... so... its like an ISO standard here. fully supperted already by xorg xinput
[05:12] <hrob> yet... the tablet config menu ... not so aptly named "Wacom" ... rejects my non wacom pen device...    xinput does not... it sees it and says hello
[05:13] <hrob> I've had to go out of my way and develop a more general config app that supports both.... http://wenhsinjen.github.io/ptxconf/
[05:13] <hrob> it talks with xinput
[05:14] <hrob> Now,  should I continue on this path... or is it easier just to change the name of the Ubuntu wacom config dialog too... pen and tablet config dialog?
[05:29] <hrob> hello
[05:34] <hrobjartur> hello
[05:38] <hrobjartur>  does anyone know the motivation for Ubuntu ignoring other usb input devices "ISO" compliant devices?
[05:39] <hrobjartur> Ok so in the ubuntu config panel there is a trademark name "Wacom"
[05:39] <hrobjartur> I meant
[05:39] <hrobjartur> instead of saying "pen device/touch device" config it says "wacom" config
[05:39] <hrobjartur> and the config rejects any input mode absolute pointing device that isn't with manufacturer Wacom.
[05:40] <hrobjartur> not good code re-usability there -- should I develop my own xinput configurator ?    seems pointless, unless Wacom is sponsoring Ubuntu not to reject other pen devices
[05:41] <hrobjartur> *to reject
[05:59]  * tsimonq2 is gone:
[06:35] <amigaguru> hi
[06:36]  * amigaguru greets everybody politely
[06:46] <amigaguru> @all: you heard of Amiga?
[06:46] <udevbot> Error: "all:" is not a valid command.
[06:46] <amigaguru> lol
[07:25] <pitti> Good morning
[07:26] <pitti> hallyn: thanks for the patch, will look at it right now
[07:34] <lpotter> my first computer was an amiga 500
[07:37] <amigaguru> my too
[07:39] <amigaguru> err sorry. my first computer was a Dragon 32
[07:42] <pitti> hallyn: hm, this doesn't yet seem to suffice in my tests
[07:45] <pitti> hallyn: and the original code looks right (the non-inverted condition)
[08:09] <pitti> hallyn: hah, got it
[08:15] <hallyn> pitti: you fixed my broken patch? :)  +1  (though my patch *did* work fo rme for libvirt, but i assumed it couldn't be so simple)
[08:19] <pitti> hallyn: wow, I actually don't see how it could have worked
[08:20] <pitti> hallyn: xenial fix uploaded and bug updated.
[08:22] <pitti> hallyn: sorry, I didn't realize the double calling of dh_s_s on Friday night..
[08:23]  * pitti preps the wily SRU
[08:24] <smb> more libvirt fun... note to myself to check for cdbs in other pkgs too
[08:26] <hallyn> pitti: oh - yeah.  i had noticed the two stanzas
[08:27] <amigaguru> exibel
[08:29] <hallyn> pitti: thanks!
[08:29]  * hallyn -> bed
[08:31] <pitti> hallyn: good night!
[09:31] <ginggs> pitti: morning!  [08:43:45] <tumbleweed> d!oko: cffi got caught up in your python3.4-dropping. packages are building without 3.4 in proposed, but the adt tests are expecting 3.4, because they're using the old -defaults
[10:05] <jamespage> pitti, good morning - I was chatting with stgraber last week about the correct way to detect whether something is running in-container or not - for upstart/14.04 we have /run/container_type - is the same applicable for 16.04?
[10:06] <pitti> ginggs: ack, re-running with p3-defaults from -proposed
[10:06] <xnox> Odd_Bloke, http://www.redmine.org/issues/5880#change-68618 =)
[10:06] <pitti> jamespage: no, that's upstart specific
[10:07] <pitti> jamespage: please use systemd-detect-virt --container
[10:08] <Laney> not running-in-container?
[10:08] <pitti> that's also an ubuntu-ism
[10:09] <pitti> and systemd-detect-virt works under sysv and upstart too
[10:10] <Laney> hah
[10:10] <Laney> interesting name
[10:13] <ginggs> pitti: thanks!
[10:14] <Laney> ginggs: hey, do you know if<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is caused by the new pcre3?
[10:16] <ginggs> Laney: it could be, that was run against the old pcre3.  can we try run it against the new pcre3?
[10:18] <Laney> hmm this is perl itself
[10:18] <Laney> yeah it's probably the perl update
[10:18] <Laney> nm
[11:11] <ancaemanuel> jdstrand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lz4/+bug/1531923 for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#apt please ?
[11:12] <ancaemanuel> or anybody else ?
[11:42] <alkisg> Hi, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+changelog says "NPAPI: <IP_ADDRESS>9" yet the flash player about site says <IP_ADDRESS>4, and firefox complains that flash is out of date
[11:43] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: would that be a bad installation on my behalf, or is it possible that the last adobe-flashplugin has the wrong NPAPI version installed?
[11:43]  * alkisg checks more...
[11:46] <alkisg> Hmm no sorry, my version 1:20151208.1-0ubuntu1 is too old even though I've dist-upgraded, checking what went wrong with the updates.
[11:47] <alkisg> Nope that's the latest version for 16.04
[11:47] <alkisg> chrisccoulson: as far as I can see, adobe-flashplugin 1:20151228.1-0ubuntu1 claims to have NPAPI: <IP_ADDRESS>9 but has .554
[11:48] <ricotz> alkisg, are you using -proposed?
[11:49] <alkisg> No
[11:49] <ricotz> "1:20151228.1-0ubuntu1 	proposed (partner) 	2015-12-28" claims to be still in the partner-proposed pocket
[11:50] <teward> which i just said in #ubuntu+1 where this ended crossposted
[11:50] <alkisg> Hmmm let me investigate how I ended up with that adobe-flashplugin version, without having -proposed, and with the wrong flash inside it
[11:51] <alkisg> I'll look at apt logs
[11:53] <alkisg> OK bad eyes. The version numbers are different, 1208 vs 1228.
[11:53] <alkisg> It's been in proposed for 20 days though, and no versions show up in the partner repository... is there something blocking it?
[11:57]  * alkisg enabled the partner-proposed repository and everything is good again, thank you guys...
[11:58] <doko> xnox, do you keep a list of s390x porting stuff?
[12:01] <xnox> doko, elaborate? there is a report of things that have never built on s390x yet (in launchpad that is)
[12:01] <xnox> doko, http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/primary-xenial-s390x-release.html
[12:02] <xnox> doko, i am working on those things. But e.g. from main i ahve only opencryptoki (in progress) and openvswitch to get done. I'm ignoring the rest of main packages, as they are desktop only. and then universe.
[12:02] <xnox> doko, is there something in particular you are after?
[12:02] <doko> xnox, well I thought instead of fiddling around with mpich, maybe better port openmpi
[12:03] <xnox> doko, .... haha =) it's listed as unported in like fedora and suse. so i guess nobody cares to port it =)
[12:03] <doko> should be a handful of assembler lines and using the GCC atomics
[12:04] <xnox> doko, on my list of priorities it's all the way down with the "build freepascal cross compiler, to bootstrap freepascal on arm64 and ppc64el" =)
[12:04] <xnox> doko, hm, sounds interesting. it would be nice indeed to have openmpi.
[12:04] <doko> xnox, fpc is done for arm64, and works on the trunk on ppc64el
[12:04] <Laney> doko doesn't mess around when it comes to pascal
[12:05] <doko> Laney, well, I tried to backport the trunk fpc to 3.0 for ppc64el, but then lost interest
[12:06] <Laney> you monster
[12:06] <cjwatson> fpc is done?  oh, experimental only
[12:07] <doko> yep
[12:08]  * xnox knows how to derail a conversation
[12:08] <teward> heh
[12:14] <ogra_> are there actually still people that use pascal (beyond for academic and teaching purposes) ?
[12:26] <xnox> ogra_, as far as i can tell dephi and/or kylix are dead as far as I can tell, and i guess that's the end of objective pascal....
[12:26] <ogra_> yeah
[12:28] <rbasak> I hear about legacy projects that are still maintained from time to time.
[12:29] <ancaemanuel> @Michael Hudson-Doyle: \o/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2016-January/005020.html GO go !
[12:29] <udevbot> Error: "Michael" is not a valid command.
[12:32] <ancaemanuel> ^ Updates for s390x support, for golang \o/
[12:34] <ancaemanuel> that means juju people have some work to do...
[12:41] <cjwatson> doko: OK, will do
[12:41] <cjwatson> err, echan
[12:53] <ancaemanuel> freepascal is more important than apt ?!?
[12:53] <cjwatson> ancaemanuel: huh?
[12:54] <ancaemanuel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lz4/+bug/1531923 for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#apt please ?
[12:54] <cjwatson> I don't know how on earth you get from there to "more important than apt"
[12:55] <cjwatson> there is not a single linear to-do list for all developers
[12:55] <ancaemanuel> I sent the same message several hours ago
[12:56] <ancaemanuel> no answer
[12:56] <cjwatson> ancaemanuel: and the person it's assigned to is likely asleep right now
[12:56] <cjwatson> the world is inconveniently spheroid
[12:57] <cjwatson> it makes more sense to wait for them to wake up in order to find out how far along they are, rather than potentially duplicating work
[12:57] <ancaemanuel> ok, thanks
[13:01] <LocutusOfBorg> good morning ubuntu developers
[13:02]  * LocutusOfBorg for a very strange meaning of "morning"
[13:02] <LocutusOfBorg> I did upload libsdl2_2.0.4 on debian experimental, and I would like to know your opinion about a sync
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> it changed API/ABI, but upstream convinced us that the changes are still ABI safe (and if something segfaults, it's because they are using the library in a wrong way)
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> so I didn't bump soname
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-sdl-maintainers/2016-January/thread.html
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> the rationale is there ^^^
[13:03] <LocutusOfBorg> how do you feel about a sync from experimental or unstable (I plan to test reverse dependencies a week or two and then go for unstable)
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg> s/sync/merge
[13:04]  * ogra_ guesses you should ask the same in #ubuntu-mir
[13:27] <sil2100> pitti, cjwatson: hey guys! Do you remember how the translations work for the overlay PPA? We're using ubuntu-rtm/15.04 for the translations there, but we were wondering if uploads to the overlay PPA are scanned, or is there some assumption that we land the same thing to the development series?
[13:28] <sil2100> pitti, cjwatson: e.g. is an upload to overlay-ppa only enough for launchpad to do its work?
[13:30] <cjwatson> sil2100: uploads to the overlay PPA have their translations magically redirected to the ubuntu-rtm/15.04 series
[13:30] <sil2100> seb128: ^
[13:30] <cjwatson> uploads to vivid in that PPA, anyway
[13:30] <sil2100> seb128: so it's as I thought, some workaround is done
[13:31] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks
[13:31] <seb128> ok, I don't know why it's not working then
[13:31] <cjwatson> see https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/archivepublisher/rosetta_translations.py
[13:32] <seb128> cjwatson, the template from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+sourcepub/5961354/+listing-archive-extra wasn't imported
[13:32] <seb128> but now I manually uploaded it so that might have changed the state to be able to debug
[13:32] <seb128> cjwatson, should those import show on e.g https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/15.04/+source/trust-store/+imports ?
[13:47] <cjwatson> seb128: That upload doesn't appear to have built a _translations.tar.gz, so nothing to import
[13:47] <cjwatson> seb128: see the build logs
[13:53] <seb128> cjwatson, hum, right ... do you know why? pkgstriptranslations is used and the package is in main
[13:53] <seb128> pitti, ^
[13:56] <cjwatson> seb128: because it's a build in a non-virtual PPA, so tries to behave like the primary archive, and that package is in universe in the primary archive for vivid.  Adding X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes to debian/control would fix it
[13:56] <seb128> cjwatson, oh ok, I looked at the package for xenial, thanks!
[13:57] <cjwatson> np.  took me way too long to spot that :)
[13:58] <seb128> well at least you did figure it out ;-)
[14:15] <Laney> doko: any chance you could look at why http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-sso-client/xenial/i386/ started failing?
[14:15] <Laney> the package itself didn't change
[14:17] <Laney> pitti: ...and do you know anything about udisks2/ppc64el or upstart? :)
[14:18]  * Laney goes to lunch it up
[14:19] <pitti> seb128: looking
[14:19] <seb128> pitti, unping
[14:19] <pitti> sorry, I ignored IRC while handling moving files in essential packages, that needed some attention :)
[14:19] <seb128> pitti, the package was in universe in vivid
[14:19] <seb128> Colin figured it out
[14:19] <pitti> seb128: oh, good
[14:21] <pitti> Laney: TBH I even have trouble finding the failed test in upstart log
[14:22] <pitti> not ok 26 - with single-line script that is killed
[14:22] <pitti> wrong value for WIFSIGNALED (status), expected TRUE got FALSE
[14:22] <pitti> at tests/test_job_process.c:1760 (test_start).
[14:22] <pitti> ah, here we are
[14:23] <pitti> Laney: no clue, but it started failing before glib, so I'm fine with badtesting it
[14:28] <ricotz> hi, as a reminder https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gettext/+bug/1532799
[14:37] <pitti> Laney: so the dbus-test-runner regression "Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated", that's prce, not glib, right?
[14:37] <cjwatson> that's a new warning from perl 5.22
[14:38] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/intltool/+bug/1490906
[14:38] <pitti> ah right; still, not glib, so I'm force-skiptesting, the rest looks unrelated
[14:38] <cjwatson> dobey might be able to look at that perhaps?
[14:41] <ricotz> the mentioned gettext update also includes a perl 5.22 fix for texi2html
[14:59] <ancaemanuel> @piti, how is possible to run for more than 24 hours on armhf on autopkgtest for apache2 ?
[14:59] <udevbot> Error: "piti," is not a valid command.
[15:00] <ancaemanuel> unnoticed ?
[15:02] <ancaemanuel> piti: ? ^
[15:04] <cjwatson> people's highlights usually work better if you spell their nicks correctly :)
[15:04] <cjwatson> tab-completion helps
[15:05] <pitti> ancaemanuel: that's an lxc bug in xenial, I killed them earlier today
[15:05] <pitti> and fixed adt-run to properly time out on a hanging lxc-stop
[15:06] <ancaemanuel> oh,
[15:12] <ancaemanuel> this one: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=9008c6f285bcfa6c4f8f6cf172497116042307db ?
[15:12] <pitti> ancaemanuel: right
[15:21] <ancaemanuel> thanks, pitti, waching now http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[15:23] <ancaemanuel> pitti, is there anything to speed up apt ( see messages above )
[15:24] <pitti> ancaemanuel: apt isn't even running ATM?
[15:24] <pitti> ancaemanuel: but I speed it up as much as possible -- I disable translations, foreign arches, set dpkg unsafe IO and run through eatmydata
[15:24] <ancaemanuel> it needs lz4
[15:24] <cjwatson> pitti: ancaemanuel is talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lz4/+bug/1531923, which requires somebody in ~ubuntu-mir to handle it
[15:25] <ancaemanuel> in main
[15:25] <cjwatson> i.e. neither you nor I :)
[15:25] <pitti> ancaemanuel: ah, you mean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/1.2 doesn't build
[15:25] <pitti> (nothing to do with tests)
[15:25] <pitti> ancaemanuel: right, needs MIR team
[15:26] <ancaemanuel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lz4/+bug/1531923 for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#apt please ?
[15:27] <ancaemanuel> I repeated this the #3 time now
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> !regression-alert
[15:28] <cjwatson> yes, and you still haven't waited long enough for the person it's assigned to to be clearly within their working hours
[15:28] <cjwatson> patience!
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coreutils/+bug/1535349
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, that's an exciting list of people to ping.
[15:29] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: it's been in trusty-updates for a month, so I shouldn't think that blacklisting it from the archive is appropriate at this point
[15:30] <cjwatson> chiluk prepared the upload and mterry/cyphermox sponsored it, so perhaps they can look
[15:31]  * mterry looks up
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Yeah, agreed.  (The SRU wiki page doesn't make it clear what will happen when you do !regression-alert; I would probably have been a bit more chill if I'd realised it would ping all the people ^_^)
[15:32] <mterry> chiluk, ^
[15:32] <cyphermox> indeed that's very broken
[15:33] <mterry> Odd_Bloke, ok, assigned bug to chiluk and opened a trusty task
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> mterry: Great, thanks. :)
[15:43] <Laney> pitti: I handled the regex one already
[15:43] <Laney> just those three I pinged about
[15:44] <Laney> I mean sure we could badtest things, but ...
[15:46] <ogra_> pitti, do you have an idea whyx systemd always grabs the last option from the kernel commandline and appends it to init ?
[15:46] <ogra_> i.e.:     1 ?        Ss     2:32 /lib/systemd/systemd fixrtc
[15:47] <pitti> ogra_: not off the back of my hand, but supposedly to do something like "single", like the old runlevels?
[15:47] <ogra_> (it doesnt do harm indeed, but its like an itch i cant scratch :P )
[15:51] <Laney> like obviously something changed to break ubuntu-sso-client build
[15:52] <Laney> I was happy to take the pain until we find out what that is
[16:10] <pitti> hallyn: with schroot I now get tons of "call to remove-on-empty (freezer:0) failed: invalid request"; is that due to the new libpam-cgm cgroup?
[16:19] <ginggs> where do i report a gcc internal compiler error? package ncbi-tools6, only happens in arm64 build, package built fine in debian
[16:21] <xnox> pitti, can you retrigger golang-github-gorilla-handlers autopkgtest with golang as a trigger?
[16:21] <xnox> pitti, or is there a way for me to do that?
[16:22] <pitti> xnox: with both gorilla and golang; done
[16:22] <pitti> xnox: no, not at the moment
[16:22] <pitti> xnox: only folks with snakefruit access
[16:38] <mdeslaur> infinity: I've filed bug 1535379 to get refpolicy removed from xenial. What team do I need to subscribe to that bug?
[16:39] <rbasak> mdeslaur: ~ubuntu-archive usually, or should this be an exception?
[16:39] <mdeslaur> rbasak: ok, thanks
[16:45] <chiluk> Odd_Bloke, cjwatson, mterry re: coreutils bug, I'll take a look tomorrow.  Xenial appears to have the correct behavior so hopefully the diff is not too great. I'll take a closer look tomorrow when I'm fully back from holiday
[16:47] <Odd_Bloke> chiluk: Thanks!
[17:05] <tumbleweed> pitti: didn't seem to have any effect on s390x. (python-cffi)
[17:13] <hallyn> pitti: it is - it's fixed in the new (ubuntu4) version;  did that not pass proosed yet?
[17:14] <hallyn> pitti: no, it got promoted - can you check if you still get it with the upgrade?
[18:53] <tkamppeter> Anyone around who can help me on a buildds problem? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/2.1.2-2 It says that cups-filters (> 1.0.38~) is not going to be installed.
[18:57] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: root cause is that liblouisutdml needs an MIR
[19:45] <mjeanson> cking: I'm using zfsutils-linux on xenial, the package "Replaces" and "Conflicts" with zfs but does not "Provides" so I can't install packages that depends on zfs, would it be possible to add it?
[19:54] <cking> mjeanson, sure, please file a bug so I can track this and I'll get around to it this week
[19:59] <mjeanson> cking: thanks, here you go : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1535428
[20:07] <cking> mjeanson, thanks!
[20:19] <allizom> which repository should patent-encumbered FLOSS software not officially supported by the Ubuntu team be packaged into? universe or multiverse?
[20:26] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: multiverse
[20:27] <allizom> thanks Pharaoh_Atem, why x264, lame and other software are in universe then?
[20:28] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: because universe technically maps to debian's main repos, while multiverse maps to nonfree and contrib
[20:29] <Pharaoh_Atem> universe and multiverse are filled out by importing from the corresponding debian repos
[20:30] <allizom> I understand, that was not so clear in the user documentation
[20:30] <allizom> so when a given software is not packaged in debian, but has the aforementioned properties, it goes in multiverse
[20:31] <allizom> but when it is in debian main, i'd say en exception is granted and it goes in universe
[20:32] <allizom> did I understand it the correctway?
[20:38] <ScottK> allizom: No.
[20:38] <ScottK> The patent policy is a bit complicated.
[20:38] <ScottK> It mostly depends on how active enforcement of the patents is.
[20:39] <ScottK> If no one is actively suing over patents, the policy is to ignore them (as it's impossible to write any non-trivial piece of software that doesn't at least in theory infringe some patent)
[20:41] <allizom> ScottK: hmm... can you show me an example? for instance why avidemux is in multiverse while other video editing software are in universe? or another one if you prefer
[20:43] <tumbleweed> allizom: probably because it came from debian-multimedia.org
[20:44] <ScottK> Not really.
[20:44] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: it'd be dangerous to give an example
[20:44] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatentPolicy
[20:45] <allizom> tumbleweed: what does "came from" mean in this context?
[20:45] <Pharaoh_Atem> because then that means someone knows, and then it's willful infringement
[20:46] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: as it is, Canonical is walking on a tightrope here, so...
[20:48] <allizom> Pharaoh_Atem: I believed the user is the one tasked with obtaining applicable patent licenses, the software itself can be distributed without issues, or am I wrong?
[21:00] <pitti> hallyn: ah cool, thank you!
[21:03] <pitti> hallyn, stgraber: out of interest -- will you deprecate the user lxc mode in favor of lxd at some point in the future, or continue to support all three modes (sys lxc, user lxc, lxd)?
[21:04] <pitti> AFAIUI lxd is the privilege level of user lxc, but shared amongst all users
[21:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: wrong
[21:04] <Pharaoh_Atem> completely wrong
[21:05] <stgraber> no plan on deprecating anything though the lxc-* tools will be moving to a new lxc-legacy binary package (lxc will in turn become a meta-package installing lxc-legacy for now)
[21:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: it depends on the jurisdiction, really
[21:05] <hallyn> pitti: no, lxd is more like libvirt - users who may use lxd on the host areno longer unprivileged
[21:05] <Pharaoh_Atem> software patents are super-murky
[21:05] <stgraber> note that you can also run LXD itself as an unprivileged user, not all features work then though
[21:06] <pitti> stgraber: ah, so the "lxd" group more or less just gives you containers that are shared amongst users, but the same privileges in the container?
[21:08] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: if it was quite that simple, Fedora would be shipping that stuff
[21:08] <Pharaoh_Atem> and while Ubuntu doesn't have Fedora's policy, Canonical isn't US-based
[21:08] <allizom> Pharaoh_Atem: of course a distribution bears a risk of getting sued, I understand
[21:10] <allizom> Fedora policy is more straightforward in this regard, the Ubuntu one is not clear cut
[21:11] <allizom> but is this why a package gets put in universe rather than in multiverse? or is it the software license?
[21:12] <allizom> from what i read, free software = universe, nonfree = multiverse
[21:14] <allizom> no mention as to the patents
[21:19] <ari-tczew> is it true, that debhelper since 9.20160114 uses autotools-dev as default? does it mean, if we got that revision, adding autotools-dev to d/rules and B-D to d/control will be not needed anymore?
[21:19] <Pharaoh_Atem> Debian and Ubuntu's policies on this are... confusing
[21:19] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: it's a bit inconsistent from what I can tell
[21:20] <allizom> Pharaoh_Atem: that's why I got confused in the first place and asked here :)
[21:21] <Pharaoh_Atem> Mageia's policy is that patent encumbered stuff goes into nonfree
[21:21] <Pharaoh_Atem> Fedora's policy is that it doesn't go into the distribution at all
[21:21] <Pharaoh_Atem> Debian's policy is... ???
[21:22] <allizom> Pharaoh_Atem: it goes in main if it is free software, even as it is patent-encumbered
[21:22] <tumbleweed> Pharaoh_Atem: https://www.debian.org/legal/patent
[21:22] <ginggs> Pharaoh_Atem: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Component
[21:22] <allizom> tumbleweed: interesting
[21:24] <tumbleweed> "patent encumbered" isn't clear-cut. I think it's safe to assume that there are patents covering every piece of software in the archive, because many many stupid, unenforceable patents are granted. So, there's some value in not wasting time on the problem
[21:36] <rbasak> Also there's a jurisdiction problem. "Patent encumbered" in which jurisdiction?
[21:37] <rbasak> And who decides whether a patent applies to a particular piece of software, given that a court could end up deciding something different?
[21:37]  * tumbleweed prefers the jurisdictions that don't recognise patents :)
[21:37] <rbasak> Also, mere examination for patent encumbrance risks triple damanges in some jurisdictions.
[21:37] <rbasak> (if you decide differently from what a court later decides)
[21:39] <rbasak> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-advantage/assurance is relevant here. You always carry a risk regardless of what distro you use. For Ubuntu, Canonical will take the risk away (for a fee).
[21:42] <allizom> debian policy seems to reject software that is 'encumbered' by patents, without explaining for instance whether a royalty-free licensing and not-to-sue assertions are considered 'encumbering'
[21:42] <tumbleweed> debian wouldn't consider royalty-free licencing an option
[21:43] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, found out that I had forgotten to "git push" the separation of the Braille stuff, will appear with cups-filters 1.7.0-1.
[21:43] <tumbleweed> DFSG #8
[21:43] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, but thanks anyway for the hint.
[21:45] <allizom> tumbleweed: that just says it cannot be debian-specific
[21:45] <allizom> I have a feel we are being quite ot now though
[21:46] <allizom> if it is royalty-free for all, then it should be good
[21:46] <tumbleweed> sure
[21:47] <tumbleweed> and in that situation nobody will sue, so there's no problem anyway
[21:50] <allizom> thank you tumbleweed and the others, that's enough discussing this issue for me, even though the only conclusion that I can draw wrt my original question is: the reasoning behind why to put X in universe or multiverse is inconsistent
[21:52] <allizom> as far as some freely licensed software that *may* infringe on some patents goes
[22:01] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: Red Hat does something similar to Canonical for RHEL, too: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/open-source-assurance
[22:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> royalty-free does not imply freely usable
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> as the key is that it has to be usable, redistributable, and modifiable
[22:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> that's a hard requirement
[22:05] <allizom> Pharaoh_Atem: the code implementing the patented invention has to be free software, so that freedoms would be granted
[22:06] <allizom> how about modifying a patent?
[22:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> allizom: not required
[22:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> and not possible
[22:07] <Pharaoh_Atem> but the license of the patent must allow for the software implementing it to be freely modifiable
[22:09] <allizom> of course. what about a license that permits anyone to implement the covered patent royalty-free the way they choose?
[23:24] <barry> doko: \o/
[23:54] <ari-tczew> xnox, doko: is there any plan to grab latest cmake soon?
[23:55] <xnox> ari-tczew, do you need it, or is it a nice-to-have thing?
[23:55] <ari-tczew> xnox:  I'm having odd trouble with FTBFS, I'm guessing it's cmake related
[23:56] <xnox> ari-tczew, show me =)
[23:56] <ari-tczew> xnox: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234550380/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kraft_0.59-1~ppa01_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:56] <ari-tczew> the same package builds fine on Debian
[23:56] <xnox> ari-tczew, link to ppa? one cannot go from launchpadlibrarian -> build record reliably =)
[23:57] <ari-tczew> xnox: https://launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+build/8867098
[23:57] <xnox> tah
[23:57] <ari-tczew> however, the same FTBFS I got on pbuilder locally
[23:58] <xnox> ari-tczew, the error is with kdelibs5-dev provided cmake module, and the package you are building, have you tried debian's cmake and does it actually make any difference?
[23:58] <cjwatson> xnox: one actually can for package builds, though it's utterly undocumented and obscure :-)
[23:58] <xnox> i'd think either ubuntu's or debian's kdelibs5-dev are ahead.
[23:59] <xnox> cjwatson, i don't want to know... =) is like iterating build-records with API calls?
[23:59]  * xnox ain't got time for that =))))))
[23:59] <cjwatson> xnox: find the bit that says PACKAGEBUILD-8867098, then https://launchpad.net/builders/+build/8867098 redirects
[23:59] <xnox> fun. thanks.
[23:59] <xnox> kind of like bugs/+bug/ i guess.
[23:59] <cjwatson> doesn't work for all build types, I've never bothered to work out what's different


[02:21] <xubuntu422> hello 422 here, how can i check md5sum of xubuntu 12.04 disk?
[03:20] <holstein> !md5 | xubuntu422
[04:16] <xubuntu296> Is there *real* installer for xubuntu 12.10?  One that will let me *choose* what software I want to install?  The only ISOs I could find have installers that decide for themselves what software should be installed.
[04:18] <holstein> xubuntu296: xubuntu is really just ubuntu with a pre-determined set of software installed and configured
[04:18] <holstein> you might prefer just installing minimal and adding what you like.. xfce4 for example and not the xubuntu desktop
[04:18] <holstein> !minimal
[04:19] <holstein> xubuntu296: enjoy!
[04:20] <xubuntu296> Thanks, holstein.
[04:28] <shaih> Hello, when i use firefox my cursor randomly dissapears and wont come back until i restart my computer
[04:28] <holstein> shaih: just firefox?
[04:29] <shaih> It is still gone even out of firefox
[04:29] <shaih> though it is still active just invisable
[04:30] <holstein> shaih: and its *only* firefox that seems to cause it?
[04:31] <shaih> the only thing that i have seen so far cause it
[04:31] <holstein> shaih: will you launch ff from the terminal and see if you see any output there?
[04:31] <shaih> it is possible that it happens with other programs
[04:31] <holstein> shaih: anything in particular? like flash?
[04:32] <shaih> holstein: what would the command for that be? And not that i noticed though it happens relatively rarely about once every three hours of constant use
[04:33] <holstein> shaih: it'll be.. open a terminal, type the word "firefox", without the quotation marks.. and press the enter key
[04:33] <shaih> oh sorry i spaced that ff was firefox
[04:34] <holstein> shaih: no worries
[04:34] <shaih> there was no output, simply ff launched
[04:34] <holstein> shaih: what graphics card? nvidia? are you using a proprietary driver?
[04:35] <shaih> i am pretty sure its nvidia, and i have not installed any non-standard drivers
[04:35] <holstein> shaih: you might try that as a troubleshooting step
[04:35] <holstein> !ati
[04:38] <shaih> thanks for the help ill follow those steps and see if it works
[04:38] <shaih> if not ill be back
[04:39] <donnie> I have a 'slave' drive. What should I format and partition it too, to make a storeage/media drive
[04:41] <holstein> donnie: depends... for a linux only system, you might want ext4
[04:42] <donnie> holstein. It should be a linux use only. I don't really plan on going back to windows for anything
[05:43] <Cheri703> leandro: it's generally considered good IRC etiquette to ask before sending private messages.
[05:43] <Maccer> Mh hm.
[05:44] <Maccer> XChat sadly doesn't provide me the context of the channel you message from or are in.
[05:52] <leandro> i have a problem with compiz emerald, it's the windows' frames, when i go to the top right edge with the mouse i cannot click on the 'X' to close the window because it is not fully maximized, i've tried using different themes and other things, does anyone know what can i do?
[06:40] <shadow_fox> hi i am new here.. i am looking for a new os that will support my hardware
[06:40] <shadow_fox> is this os runs on low end hardware also ??
[06:41] <shadow_fox> as in run like if i open up 4-5 concurrent application is that going to halt or run smoothly on my laptop which i bought back in 2006,
[06:42] <shadow_fox> laptop configuration:: hp dv2000 series, 512mb ram upgraded to 1.5gb. harddisk 160gb, intel centrino processor.
[07:03] <Cida> Hey guys. Anyone active?
[07:05] <Cida> Hey guys
[07:05] <SunStar> hi
[07:06] <jarnos> shadow_fox, depends on applications :) If you find xubuntu's desktop environment too heavyweight, there are alternatives.
[07:06] <Cida> Xubuntu is heavy weight for someone's computer? lol
[07:08] <Cida> So I'm relatively new to this thing called Xubuntu, and Linux in general lol. What are some commands I should know?
[07:09] <nikolam> Cida, use man <command> and there is also help.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <jarnos> Cida, well lubuntu is more lightweight and does not use pulseaudio by default. BTW how does current xubuntu handle volume control?
[07:09] <nikolam> Also consult distowatch.com to see the amount of free software distributions out there.
[07:10] <Cida> Guys, I don't even know how to send private messages using XChat cx
[07:10] <Cida> Isn't something like MSG (the person's nick) (the message)
[07:10] <nikolam> yup /msg <nick> message
[07:10] <SunStar> right click on a user's name and select open dialogue window  or query
[07:11] <nikolam> consult your client docs.
[07:12] <Cida> Where do I find the client docs?
[07:12] <SunStar> F1 or Help menu -> Contents
[07:12] <Cida> Oh...
[07:13] <nikolam> I was thinking about manual for irc client app you use, Help>Contents man command, find program project page and see there etc
[07:15] <Cida> mmk cx
[07:16] <Cida> So...another question from the greenest newbie that's probably been in here for a while.
[07:16] <Cida> What's so awesome about Xubuntu versus other Linux OSes?
[07:17] <shadow_fox> jarnos: can you point out what are my options ?
[07:18] <Guest10002> xubuntu is ok but I'll prob switch to crunchbang because this is a really old laptop
[07:18] <Cida> Crunchbang. What kind of name is that? XD
[07:19] <SunStar> xubuntu has a "fresher" software library than the "satle" one offered by debian, as well as a being more lightweight and requiring lower hardware specs
[07:19] <SunStar> stale*
[07:20] <Cida> Sounds nice. And I'm loving the performance my computer has had since I installed Xubuntu on it. Although, I'm not loving this no WiFi business.
[07:20] <Cida> I mean
[07:21] <Cida> It prevents other people from using my computer without my permission and downloading things... But it's so annoying plugging it in to a router
[07:21] <SunStar> your wifi should be working, if its not then it requires fixing. its not that way be design
[07:21] <SunStar> be = by
[07:22] <Cida> I've heard Xubuntu has issues with WiFi for some reason. I've tried fixing it, but I'm too much of newbie to fix it myself
[07:22] <SunStar> try installing ndiswrapper and wicd
[07:22] <SunStar> you can find both in the software center
[07:23] <SunStar> xubuntu has no more issues with wifi than any other buntu or debian
[07:24] <Cida> I wonder why it didn't work for me out of the package cx
[07:25] <SunStar> try installing ndiswrapper and wicd. both can be found in the software center
[07:26] <Cida> I am
[07:27] <Cida> the debconf thing is annoying the crap out of me, though
[07:27] <Cida> cx
[07:27] <Cida> This isn't the first time I've installed something on this computer. But it's still annoying when you're in several chats
[07:28] <SunStar> you can adjust the focus stealing prevention to prevent seeing it
[07:29] <Cida> Do what now?
[07:30] <SunStar> launcher menu -> settings -> settings manager -> Window Manager -> Focus Tab
[07:30] <nikolam> window focus stealing prevention is what I suffer from, too. I will set it , too.
[07:31] <SunStar> takes some twekaing. i usually screw it up so i dont mess with it
[07:32] <nikolam> I just wonder why, since installing I never stop reporting bugs. I like am not sure they will ever get fixed in this LTS.
[07:33] <Cida> I just set it so that the computer focuses on what the mouse is on. Now my computer behaves more like Blender x3
[07:33] <Cida> I've had several problems with crashes, but it's mostly with using Mixcraft through .wine
[07:34] <Cida> So I'm figuring it's not a big deal
[07:35] <Cida> ugh, it's still not letting me turn WiFi on
[07:35] <SunStar> 12 is more aggressive in requesting bug reports
[07:36] <jarnos> shadow_fox, well lubuntu works faster when using my mini-laptop; chromium-browser is defaut there instead of firefox.
[07:37] <SunStar> go to a terminal and type "sudo lspci" to find out what chipset the wifi uses
[07:37] <SunStar> i hate lubuntu  >_<
[07:37] <bazhang> no sudo needed for lspci
[07:38] <Cida> What information from this do I need
[07:38] <Cida> It pulls up like 50 lines of info
[07:38] <bazhang> perhaps you are thinking of sudo lshw
[07:39] <jarnos> shadow_fox, I have not tried latest releases, but they tend to get heavier.
[07:40] <nikolam> SunStar, yes, more bugs get reported, but is gives me a bad impression, like eather I fix it myself in code, or they will bug me forever while using LTS. I can not recommend that for novice user that just installed Xubuntu 12+ and needs to be assured he is using stable platform.
[07:40] <nikolam> Eather they do not repeat all the time in GUI and get reported behind scenes, or community shoud fix them all and update repos.
[07:41] <SunStar> Cida, somewhere in there you should see info about network controller
[07:41] <SunStar> unless its a USB wifi, the the command would be lsusb
[07:41] <jarnos> shadow_fox, maybe your hp is faster anyway.
[07:43] <jarnos> shadow_fox, you may want to remove pulseaudio, if you don't need it. Lubuntu (12.04 at least) does not have it by default.
[07:44] <shadow_fox> jarnos: all i want that i can do multiple works at the same time without any halt
[07:45] <Cida> It says "Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)" when I use lspci
[07:45] <Cida> Now
[07:46] <Cida> Knowing that information... What do I do? Search up dribers?
[07:46] <bazhang> !broadcom | Cida
[07:46] <Cida> drivers*
[07:47] <SunStar> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[07:51] <Sir_Leto> I'm using a bluetooth keyboar that has no page up /page down keys, how do I scroll in irsssi without them?
[07:52] <bazhang> try in #irssi ? Sir_Leto
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> I assumed you show me how to remap keys, but okay
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> *would
[07:54] <Sir_Leto> thanks
[08:00] <Cida> Um
[08:01] <Cida> So I downloaded it
[08:01] <Cida> Now I'm not sure how to install it. I used tar -zxvf on the tar.gz file it gave me
[08:01] <Cida> And
[08:02] <Cida> I can't find an executable for installion
[08:02] <bazhang> Cida, downloaded what?
[08:02] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx   <---- Cida did you follow this?
[08:03] <SunStar> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing_STA_drivers
[08:04] <SunStar> thats the next step
[08:04] <bazhang> not via PM Cida
[08:08] <SunStar> make sure you enable restricted extras and all that jazz in software sources (launcher menu -> settings -> software sources)
[09:22] <andrzejr> Hi, I'm working on an indicator plugin for xfce panel
[09:23] <andrzejr> what indicators are currently in Raring? I only see two on my system (soundmenu and application)
[09:24] <SunStar> #ubuntu-app-devel
[09:27] <andrzejr> SunStar, thanks. I thought this is specific to xubuntu (all indicators in ubuntu have moved to gtk3)
[09:27] <SunStar> oh yeah maybe thats not the best place
[09:29] <nikolam> there is #xfce channel also.
[10:19] <baizon> andrzejr: all indicators, that dont have gtk3 dependencies are working with xubuntu
[10:19] <baizon> andrzejr: if it is allowed, on what indicator are you? :)
[10:28] <xubuntu960> hello
[10:29] <SunStar> hi
[10:29] <baizon> to late SunStar
[13:15] <Ned_Flanders> hi can anyone help me?
[13:18] <Wizard> It depends.
[13:18] <Ned_Flanders> well
[13:18] <Wizard> !ask
[13:19] <Ned_Flanders> I installed Ubuntu 12.4 and Gnome. I am on unity system monitor and it says 1.8 gb RAM being used?
[13:21] <Wizard> Hmm.. with empty desktop?
[13:21] <Ned_Flanders> yes
[13:21] <Ned_Flanders> is that normal?
[13:22] <Wizard> I'm not quite sure, I haven't used Unity for a while, but afaik it taken less than 1G
[13:22] <Genrawir> That seems  a bit high, but if Gnome and Unity do tend to use a bit more RAM than XUbuntu (XFCE). Perhaps you can try to disable background services, there are quite a few of them on by default.
[13:23] <Ned_Flanders> how much RAM does XFCE use?
[13:23] <Ned_Flanders> what background services do you suggest i deactivate
[13:24] <Wizard> Currently my Xubuntu takes 1577424 bytes.
[13:24] <Wizard> It's been running for a while, has few apps open.
[13:24] <Ned_Flanders> so about 1.5gb?
[13:24] <Wizard> I bet half of that are disk buffers.
[13:24] <Wizard> Yes.
[13:24] <Ned_Flanders> what apps do u have open
[13:25] <Wizard> xhcat, few terminals, system monitor.
[13:25] <Wizard> I think it takes less than 500MB after boot.
[13:25] <Ned_Flanders> hmm i think ill uninstall gnome/unity and go with something else then
[13:25] <Genrawir> see what the output of 'top' says. That should tell you where your RAM went.
[13:26] <Wizard> 1577424
[13:26] <Ned_Flanders> i took a screenshot of system monitor: http://i50.tinypic.com/dnyjyt.png
[13:27] <Ned_Flanders> i need a linux desktop that uses the least memory
[13:27] <Ned_Flanders> what do u recommend?
[13:27] <baizon> xubuntu
[13:27] <Wizard> xubuntu :>
[13:28] <Genrawir> You can try to install the xubuntu-desktop package. This is the Xubuntu chan after all.
[13:28] <Genrawir> Lubuntu is another option.
[13:28] <baizon> xubuntu is better :P
[13:28] <Ned_Flanders> there seems to be a concensus here for xbuntu
[13:28] <Ned_Flanders> i guess i should of read the chan name lol
[13:29] <Ned_Flanders> hang on
[13:29] <Wizard> :P
[13:29] <Ned_Flanders> why does Xubuntu website say its an operating system?
[13:29] <Genrawir> It's easy enough to try it out, just open a terminal and 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop' then you can just log-out and pick it when you login.
[13:30] <Ned_Flanders> could u help me remove all traces of gnome/unity please
[13:30] <Ned_Flanders> how do i log out of unity btw
[13:31] <Ned_Flanders> ?
[13:32] <Ned_Flanders> there is no log out button
[13:32] <Wizard> There is logout option in this * button.
[13:33] <Genrawir> top right should be the power icon, if not terminal 'sudo shutdown -r now' will restart the computer.
[13:34] <Genrawir> That's not quite the same as logging out, since it is a full restart.
[13:35] <Ned_Flanders> should i shut down before uninstalling unity
[13:36] <Genrawir> You should install Xubuntu-desktop and then log in to it, and then uninstall unity from there.
[13:38] <Ned_Flanders> so is xubuntu an operating system or is it a desktop enviroment like gnome
[13:38] <Ned_Flanders> i am confused
[13:39] <Wizard> LOL
[13:39] <Ned_Flanders> sorry if that is very noob
[13:40] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: Don't worry ;)
[13:40] <Genrawir> Well XFCE is the desktop, but it's based on Ubuntu (which is based on Debian) but you can install it without ever installing Unity.
[13:40] <Wizard> Yes, for more information about XFCE, visit their website or read Wikipedia article :)
[13:41] <Ned_Flanders> so i am just installing XFCE and not xubuntu now?
[13:41] <Wizard> Ah, yes and no.
[13:41] <Wizard> You don't get the point, let me explain.
[13:42] <Wizard> Ubuntu, as all Linux distros, is modular.
[13:42] <Genrawir> You should probably install the xubuntu-desktop package since it will pull in all the other stuff that Xubuntu uses. Just a bare XFCE install is quite sparse.
[13:42] <Wizard> You can install apps and services from repository, replace default apps and so.
[13:42] <Wizard> That is what Xubuntu is - Ubuntu with different set of applications.
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> yes u get it
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> so i dont need to rebuild my OStemplate
[13:43] <Wizard> Desktop is just a set of application, Xubuntu developers used XFCE.
[13:43] <Ned_Flanders> i*
[13:43] <Wizard> Nope, just install xubuntu-destkop
[13:43] <Wizard> It is a meta package containing dependencies to all software Xubuntu includes.
[13:45] <Ned_Flanders> what the terminal command to install it
[13:45] <Wizard> Uh, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <Ned_Flanders> 382MB
[13:46] <Wizard> You can also download Xubuntu ISO and perform a clean install if you wish.
[13:46] <Ned_Flanders> o_0
[13:47] <Wizard> What?
[13:47] <Ned_Flanders> as well as xubuntu-desktop?
[13:48] <Ned_Flanders> whats the difference between doing that and installing xubuntu-desktop then deleting all traces of unity/gnome
[13:48] <Ned_Flanders> it will be a clean install then won't it?
[13:49] <Wizard> It will be, but removing packages all packages will probably take longer than downloading ISO and installing system, especially if you use VM ;P
[13:49] <Wizard> But do what you like.
[13:49] <Ned_Flanders> well i already entered apt-get install xubuntu-desktop in the terminal
[13:49] <Ned_Flanders> but i want to do what you said
[13:50] <Wizard> Do what you like, it's your os.
[13:50] <Wizard> First steps in Ubuntu?
[13:50] <Ned_Flanders> yes
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> Ok so if i download Xubuntu ISO it will overite everything?
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> including unity and xubuntu-desktop that i just downloaded
[13:51] <Genrawir> Yes it will.
[13:51] <Ned_Flanders> ok whats the command
[13:51] <Wizard> The command of what?
[13:52] <Ned_Flanders> I wish to do that
[13:53] <Ned_Flanders> should i shut down unity first and do it in putty?
[13:54] <Ned_Flanders> shutdown -p
[13:55] <Wizard> What putty, for the god's sake?
[13:55] <Ned_Flanders> ssh client
[13:55] <Wizard> OK, ski jumping is back on air, see you later :P
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> genrawir
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> 13:46  Wizard          • You can also download Xubuntu ISO and perform a clean install if you wish.
[13:56] <Ned_Flanders> how do i do this
[13:57] <Genrawir> If you download the ISO, burn it to disc and pop it in the drive it will install the OS...
[13:57] <Ned_Flanders> i dont have a disk
[13:57] <Ned_Flanders> cannot i not install it from terminal
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> i have a vps
[13:58] <Genrawir> The command I mentioned will install xubuntu.
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> your command was just for the desktop
[13:58] <Ned_Flanders> not for the xbuntu ISO
[13:58] <Genrawir> I guess I misunderstood your question.
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> clean install overwrite
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> I want to install xubuntu ISO clean install
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> and overwrite everything
[13:59] <Ned_Flanders> whats the command ill enter it in my ssh client
[14:01] <Genrawir> The iso file is really for doing a desktop install. I don't have a VPS, but if I did I would just install the meta-package.
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> yeah but wizzard said it will take longer to delete all the packages from unity
[14:02] <Genrawir> The only time I dealt with a VPS, the OS was preloaded by the host.
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> my OS was preloaded with Ubuntu 12.4
[14:02] <Ned_Flanders> thats what im using
[14:03] <Genrawir> So then just install the meta-package and be done with it.
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> yeah i just did
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> rebooting the system now :)
[14:04] <Ned_Flanders> then i need help removing all traces of unity/gnome
[14:05] <Ned_Flanders> if u dont mind
[14:08] <Ned_Flanders> damn it
[14:09] <Myrtti> why on earth would you have Unity and gnome on a vps?
[14:10] <Genrawir> I'm leaving to go shopping, but removing unity should simply be a 'sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop'. I should mention that this may remove some stuff you actually wanted, but you can always re-install
[14:11] <Ned_Flanders> ok thanks
[14:11] <Ned_Flanders> and why maybe because i want to use the desktop Myrtti
[14:12] <Myrtti> from a VPS?
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> yea
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> im changing to xubuntu though as it uses less ram
[14:12] <Ned_Flanders> unity was taking up so much
[14:21] <ronalds> Ned-Flanders, you might want to try openbox later
[14:21] <ronalds> it's super lightweight, doesn't comes with panals or icons, but can be added
[14:23] <ronalds> openbox+nitrogen+conky+tint2+nice startup script for it
[14:23] <ronalds> pcmanfm for file managing
[14:24] <ronalds> takes 4 % of ram without anything
[14:29] <Ned_Flanders> can it run things like java
[14:29] <Ned_Flanders> and firefox
[14:30] <Ned_Flanders> my xbuntu desktop just crashed when i closed the terminal wtf
[14:32] <Ned_Flanders> now i see a grey screen on my vnc
[14:35] <Ned_Flanders> im rebooting my vps because i don't know how to get out the grey screen
[14:38]  * Wizard yawns
[14:40] <Ned_Flanders> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
[14:41] <Ned_Flanders> when i type startxfce4
[14:42] <Ned_Flanders> Hello?
[14:42] <Ned_Flanders> !help
[15:03] <paparent> Hi ! Anyone has 'xfdesktop' using 100% of a cpu core? :(
[15:10] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: ping
[15:10] <Wizard> paparent: Works fine for me :)
[15:11] <oid> Do any normal people use Linux or is it just for hardcore computer geeks?
[15:11] <Wizard> LOL, best question ever :D
[15:12] <paparent> I've that kept back:
[15:12] <paparent> The following packages have been kept back: xfdesktop4 (4.10.1-0ubuntu1~ppa<IP_ADDRESS> => 4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ppa<IP_ADDRESS>)
[15:12] <Wizard> oid: It depends. My mom isn't a hadcore geek, but I installed Linux for her.
[15:13] <Wizard> paparent: apt-get dist-upgrade usually works ;] Remember that PPAs are not supported.
[15:13] <oid> Wizard: can she use it?
[15:14] <Wizard> System doesn't matter for her. She's a total n00b. Seems XFCE is much easier than Windows XP or Windows 7 :D
[15:14] <Wizard> My father also appreciated Xubuntu.
[15:15] <paparent> Wizard: Yeah, finally get some webpage explaining that... (doing dist-upgrade doesn'T help.. guess the new package isnt ready yet).
[15:16] <Wizard> In contrast, my colegues at work (professional coders) are totally lost in every single linux server side.
[15:16] <Wizard> Sad.
[15:18] <Wizard> oid: Xubuntu is  pretty straightforward if it comes about daily tasks. Real problems start when people think of Linux as "Free Mac OS"..
[15:18] <Wizard> Or "Free Windows" or actually of anything which Linux isn't, wasn't and never will be.
[15:36] <scottbomb> testing iso
[16:52] <Ned_Flanders> wizard are u there?
[16:55] <Ned_Flanders> ?
[17:10] <xubuntu832> help
[17:10] <xubuntu832> just downloaded xbuntu made an image but It wont boot on an old laptop
[17:11] <xubuntu832> jemand da  anybody here???
[17:13] <Genrawir> xubuntu832: Where does it fail? I assume you set the BIOS to boot from CD?
[17:15] <Genrawir> xubuntu832: I also personally prefer to install from a netinst iso, since a liveCD is often a bad idea on old hardware.
[17:25] <Dantas_> hello, which program do i use to set up my wireless card as an access point?
[17:25] <koegs> Dantas_: hostapd
[17:26] <Dantas_> thank you koegs :)
[17:42] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: I had to go out.
[17:43]  * Wizard yawns.
[17:43] <Sir_Leto> umm, I've completely screweed up audio trying to get bluetooth to work, how do I get everything back to default?
[17:44] <Sir_Leto> would an apt-get purge and reinstall work?
[17:44] <Wizard> Yes, if you messed with files in /etc.
[17:44] <Wizard> Watch out for dependencies.
[17:45] <Wizard> Alas, reinstalling packages is not the best option.
[17:51] <Wizard> Guys, is it possible to create NAT by clicking it out from network manager or should I abandon all hope and use iptables magic instead?
[17:51] <Sir_Leto> fixed
[17:53] <xubuntu487> ?
[17:55] <Wizard> Seems it is possible!
[17:56] <Wizard> It even created DHCP server automatically o_O'
[17:59] <Wizard> And.. everything without giving any root password. Amazing.
[18:35] <xubuntu099> Hi Guys
[18:38] <Ned_Flanders> Wizard
[18:46] <Ned_Flanders> I installed xubuntu-destkop
[18:47] <Ned_Flanders> how come I see XFCE
[18:48] <baizon> Ned_Flanders: xubuntu uses xfce as DE, thats the reason
[18:48] <Wizard> Because XFCE is Xubuntu's desktop.
[18:49] <Wizard> Ned_Flanders: Could you write what do you want to achieve?
[18:57] <Ned_Flanders> ok
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> its just when i looked at google pictures of xunbutu desktop
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> they were different
[18:58] <Wizard> Different?
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> to how xfce looked
[18:58] <Ned_Flanders> but if its the same thing then great
[18:59] <Wizard> Hmm.. How different?
[18:59] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: my xfce does not look like default either , I changed it
[19:02] <Ned_Flanders> is it possible to change the theme
[19:02] <SunStar> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[19:02] <Ned_Flanders> mine doesn't look anything like the screenshots on http://xubuntu.org/
[19:02] <Wizard> If you changed it..
[19:03] <Wizard> Mine doesn't look either.
[19:03] <Ned_Flanders> i havent changed it yet
[19:04] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: have you check the "About" in the menu
[19:06] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: maybe you installed something else by accident
[19:07] <Ned_Flanders> version 4.8
[19:08] <Wizard> recon_lap: I'll wait for his screenshot.
[19:08] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: and way it a clean install, or have you change the wm in a ubuntu install
[19:08] <recon_lap> way/was
[19:11] <Ned_Flanders> screenshot: http://i47.tinypic.com/2wm270z.png
[19:12] <Ned_Flanders> i did 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[19:12] <Ned_Flanders> then deleted unity/gnome
[19:15] <Wizard> Looks pretty default.
[19:15] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: well that looks like the default xfce screen, the one you saw is probably tweaked by the XUbuntu team on the xubuntu install.
[19:15] <Ned_Flanders> oh
[19:15] <Ned_Flanders> well thats ok
[19:15] <recon_lap> xfce package != xubuntu
[19:16] <Wizard> Yuck, VM.
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> it almost had me thinking xbuntu desktop and xfce were to different things
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> became xfce has its own website too
[19:16] <Ned_Flanders> and it looked different
[19:16] <SunStar> they are
[19:17] <Ned_Flanders> *gives up on life*
[19:18] <SunStar> xubuntu is an OS, xfce is a GUI you can use on pretty much any distro
[19:18] <SunStar> xubuntu uses xfce by default
[19:18] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: xubuntu uses xfce, ubuntu uses  unity.
[19:19] <Ned_Flanders> i have xubuntu installed on my ubuntu ostemplate
[19:20] <SunStar> so now you have xfce and all the default apps that come with xubuntu
[19:20] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: you have xfce installed on ubuntu, it's not quite xubuntu
[19:20] <Ned_Flanders> so i dont have the true xubuntu desktop?
[19:20] <Ned_Flanders> i thought i did have xubuntu when i installed 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[19:21] <SunStar> you have a mashup between ubuntu and xubuntu (it doesnt really matter.)
[19:21] <recon_lap> Ned_Flanders: you've got the desktop. but there is probably a lot of odd ubuntu stuff under the hood not being used
[19:21] <SunStar> its basicly the same but you have a mix of the ubuntu default apps and the xubuntu default apps
[19:21] <SunStar> no big deal
[19:22] <Ned_Flanders> good to hear
[19:22] <Ned_Flanders> well i can sleep easy at night now knowing that i have the true xubuntu desktop that all xubuntu's use
[19:23] <Ned_Flanders> i deleted all the unity jazz
[19:27] <Ned_Flanders> i guess some guy was wondering the same thing as me http://askubuntu.com/questions/91380/what-is-the-difference-between-ubuntuxfce-and-xubuntu
[19:35] <Ned_Flanders> im quite happy with xubuntu though its using alot less RAM than unity
[22:48] <nantou> what is the best way to download ed2k files?
[23:30] <xubuntu708> magyar van köztetek?
[23:30] <knome> !hu | xubuntu708
[23:31] <xubuntu708> kösz


[00:05] <Juest> EriC^^: that file does not exist
[00:05] <Juest> but a subdirectory called /etc/default/grub.d exists
[00:06] <Juest> that only contains one file that does nothing and it mentions its going to be removed from future releases
[00:06] <Juest> i also noticed my system failed to start ssh service
[00:08] <Juest> something didn't go well with the upgrade
[00:08] <Juest> from 20.04 to 22.04
[00:09] <kotgc> Hi, is there a channel for VMM and KVM install questions?
[00:14] <Juest> kotgc: maybe not in this network, i've just searched in alis and came up empty, only a #kvm channel without a topic set and not a lot of people
[00:15] <kotgc> Juest, thx
[00:19] <EriC^^> Juest: that's why you get the weird menu i guess
[00:19] <Juest> I've got no idea how that file just disappeared
[00:20] <Juest> how can i regenerate it with ubuntu defaults?
[00:20] <EriC^^> during the update did it ask whether to replace blabla the edited vs maintainer or something like that?
[00:20] <Juest> only one file, nothing else
[00:20] <Juest> and it was not that
[00:20] <EriC^^> 1 sec let me see which package has it
[00:20] <Juest> should be grub-efi something?
[00:20] <Juest> something went pretty wrong during the upgrade :/
[00:20] <Juest> is this a known issue perhaps?
[00:21] <Juest> i've read about upgrade issues when it came out
[00:21] <Juest> not fixed?
[00:22] <EriC^^> Juest: try ls -l /usr/share/grub/default/grub is that there?
[00:22] <EriC^^> Juest: also pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep grub"
[00:22] <EriC^^> no idea about the bug being known and stuff
[00:22] <Juest> it is there!
[00:23] <EriC^^> ok, i couldn't find /etc/default/grub in any package, but that file seems to be the same, and part of grub2-common
[00:23] <EriC^^> paste the dpkg thing though, might give some insight and what to do next
[00:24] <Juest> i also remembered that i've had to make changes to /etc/default/grub to work around a pci bug with my hardware that causes spam in the kernel
[00:24] <EriC^^> aha
[00:25] <EriC^^> you can probably find what you used in /var/log/syslog logs in the first line when it boots in the kernel parameters
[00:25] <EriC^^> if that's more convenient
[00:25] <Juest> let me tell you, the packages are all ii and those are: grub-common, grub-efi, grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-amd64-bin, grub-efi-amd64-signed, grub-imageboot, grub-pc-bin, grub2-common
[00:25] <EriC^^> ok
[00:26] <Juest> i consider the boot options i used lost, it doesnt really seem to affect the system performance
[00:26] <EriC^^> i guess for starters try "sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub{,2}-common" see if /etc/default/grub appears
[00:27] <EriC^^> gotcha
[00:27] <Juest> grub-common and grub2-common?
[00:27] <EriC^^> yeah
[00:28] <Juest> the package came like that
[00:28] <Juest> no /etc/default/grub
[00:28] <Juest> reinstalled and nothing changed
[00:28] <Juest> it was removed in the upgrade
[00:28] <Juest> with the upgrade due to packages
[00:30] <EriC^^> Juest: i guess copy over the /usr one
[00:30] <EriC^^> Juest: sudo cp /usr/share/grub/default/grub /etc/default/grub
[00:30] <EriC^^> then 'sudo update-grub'
[00:32] <Juest> done on my own before your copy message
[00:33] <Juest> im not really going to be able to find the boot options with just 'less /var/log/syslog'
[00:35] <EriC^^> zgrep -i "kernel command line" /var/log/syslog.*
[00:37] <Juest> got it
[00:37] <Juest> pci=nomsi
[00:39] <Juest> thank you EriC^^, i wonder why things were changed
[00:40] <EriC^^> no problem Juest
[00:50] <Juest> how can i figure out if the upgrade screwed up anything else?
[00:50] <Juest> should i look up about upgrade problems further?
[00:50] <Juest> or where i can read about the changes from lts to lts?
[00:52] <EriC^^> Juest: you could run debsums if you want to see if all the installed package files are right
[00:53] <EriC^^> sudo debsums | grep -v OK$
[01:03] <Juest> EriC^^: that's not the problem, i want to know about package changes that came through with this release that are impactful to the user
[01:04] <Juest> as you saw with the grub configuration
[01:41] <labestia_> exit
[02:03] <chasyxx> can i chat
[02:03] <chasyxx> yay
[03:43] <shadowhawk> hello!
[05:13] <benedictojaccobo> hi
[06:42] <lflin16> Hello world!
[08:35] <hay207> Hi, is it ok for these packages to be removed?
[08:35] <hay207> https://pastebin.com/qEiS3Htu
[08:36] <hay207> to solve a dependency error
[08:38] <hay207> An error in updating plasma-workspaces which depends on libxmlb2
[08:41] <hay207> Also this: https://pastebin.com/sY3uGAna
[08:59] <toddc> hay207: yes but update and ugrade after to verify the unmet dependency issue
[09:00] <toddc> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:00] <toddc>  libappstream4 : Depends: libxmlb2 (>= 0.3.13) but 0.3.6-2build1 is installed
[09:00] <toddc> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[09:34] <SteelRose> hi there! anyone here using Chef?
[10:06] <onworks> Young
[10:06] <onworks> STUPID
[11:11] <fichero> hello and hi
[11:11] <fichero> is this music player xmms or sum still aiv
[11:11] <fichero> i can't remember its name
[11:20] <geirha> Looks like xmms is no longer maintained, but qmmp looks like it's still maintained
[11:36] <Zumo> Good morning, as anyone had an issue with the keyboard layout in 22.04?
[11:37] <Zumo> the number 5 Alt-Gr key should input the euro sign and is input ½?
[11:37] <Zumo> I've tried changing keyboards
[11:37] <Zumo> from english to portuguese
[11:38] <Zumo> and used "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to reconfigure the keyboard to iso105
[11:38] <Zumo> no go still some weird characters
[11:39] <forccon_> Hello. How can I test an old version of Chromium in Ubuntu?
[11:45] <JAdams> hola
[11:45] <JAdams> alguien habla español
[11:53] <forccon__> hola
[12:00] <mozambique> can I amke a request
[12:00] <mozambique> cam I make a request
[12:01] <mozambique> here it goes
[12:01] <mozambique> Number 217208125
[12:01] <mozambique> Dear Prof Bjarne
[12:01] <mozambique> There is a internet problem
[12:01] <mozambique> The kids from all over can't do download and play online games at the same time
[12:01] <mozambique> Could you have a look?
[12:04] <feitnomore> Hello... I have a Dell Mini 3080 that I upgraded from 22.10 to 23.04, and my eth0 (pci NIC) stopped working... It works for a few minutes after reboot and them stops. I am getting tons of r8169: rtl_ephyar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 10) and r8169 rtl_eiar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 100). I tried adding pcie_aspm=off to my grub, but that did not help. Any clues?
[12:30] <Yakov> I want to browse stack overflow site from ubuntu in dark mode
[12:30] <Yakov> currently i'm using dark theme for ubuntu, it works well for OS environment, some sites are also dark, but stack overflow still white
[12:30] <Yakov> please advise if there is working solution
[12:31] <_________> in firefox you can choose dark "website apperance" in settings; if nothing else works, use darkreader.
[12:32] <Yakov> Dark Reader
[12:32] <Yakov> darkreader.org
[12:32] <Yakov> https://darkreader.org
[12:32] <Yakov> Dark Reader is an open source eye-care browser extension this?
[12:33] <Yakov> apologize for offtop:looking for social chat to discuss some eye related topics in IRC
[12:34] <_________> yes, that's dark reader
[12:36] <Yakov> wow, it works :)  thanks brother
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:28] <migbits> did anyone saw thisn plugins failing on their execution when i came in
[13:28] <migbits> is this a problem?
[13:30] <leftyfb> migbits: huh? This is an ubuntu support channel
[13:31] <migbits> leftyfb, and I'm runing a irc client which i instaled plugins but don't know how they work
[13:31] <leftyfb> !ot | migbits
[13:41] <fichero> geirha: thanks ...
[13:45] <alumne> hola
[13:46] <dkdk> hola
[13:46] <migbits> hola estamos igual
[13:48] <migbits> hey i started downloading recomended security updates for nvidia and etc and while installing my pc is without signal
[13:48] <migbits> it just went off mouse moving doesn't show image
[13:48] <migbits> is this a mistake?
[13:48] <migbits> i had the proprieraty drivers from the device manager
[13:49] <migbits> weren't this updates for proprieraty nvidia then?
[13:49] <hwpplayer1> I couldn't activate kernel live patch service within my pro subscribtion
[13:49] <hwpplayer1> Is it about kernel version ?
[13:51] <hwpplayer1> 6.2.0-33-generic is my kernel version
[13:54] <hwpplayer1> TheRedQueen: Are you the Ubuntu staff or community member ?
[13:54] <mybalzitch> they're a bot
[13:54] <hwpplayer1> cool
[14:01] <feitnomore> Hello... I have a Dell Mini 3080 that I upgraded from 22.10 to 23.04, and my eth0 (pci NIC) stopped working... It works for a few minutes after reboot and them stops. I am getting tons of r8169: rtl_ephyar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 10) and r8169 rtl_eiar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 100). I tried adding pcie_aspm=off to my grub, but that did not help. Any clues?
[14:47] <fichero> i prefer xmms
[14:49] <leftyfb> fichero: can we help you with something?
[14:51] <migbits> no yet
[15:00] <fichero> hi
[15:02] <fichero> i just installed latest security patches and there was no image on my screen for 20 minutes i had to force shutdown
[15:02] <fichero> there was a lot of nvidia packages
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> fichero: are you still not seeing an image on the screen? your support question is unclear what you need help with.
[15:09] <ravage> i had the same problem when updaing the nvidia packages on 22.04 in a GUI session
[15:10] <ravage> after the 20 minutes you need to just reboot and it should boot. try "sudo apt -f install" in a terminal when you are back in the system
[15:14] <kucklehead> Is there a repo that I can put in my apt-list for google chrome or do I really have to download the debian package and install it manually
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> the debian package offered by google installs the repo for you
[15:19] <pragmaticenigma> kucklehead: right on the download page, it tells you the .deb file installs the repo. look for the word "Not" in bold text: https://www.google.com/chrome/?platform=linux
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> *Note*
[15:22] <hermano> Looking to create an SSH key if it missing and do nothing if it exists:
[15:24] <hermano> .
[15:24] <leftyfb> hermano: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/cTmmgvh8nm/
[15:26] <lunatiq> is PHP 8.2 a PPA for 22.04 LTS?
[15:29] <lunatiq> it is
[15:29] <leftyfb> !latest | lunatiq
[15:30] <leftyfb> lunatiq: php8.1 is the latest in Ubuntu 22.04
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> lunatiq: The 3rd party PPAs for PHP are ones that I would be extra careful using
[15:34] <hermano> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xpVBRQ4scj/
[15:34] <hermano> Or should this question be move to #linux
[15:34] <leftyfb> hermano: you should probably ask in #bash
[15:34] <hermano> leftyfb, thanks.
[16:15] <BinarySavior> after OS wakes from a suspend / sleep state, I notice the scroll wheel on my mouse has significantly less sensitivity
[16:16] <BinarySavior> is there a way to restart the mouse?
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> BinarySavior: does unplugging the mouse and plugging it back in fix it?
[16:17] <BinarySavior> yes pragmaticenigma
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> That's what I would recommend to continue doing. Or refrain from using the syspend/sleep modes
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> you could also try testing with a different mouse
[16:21] <BinarySavior> thanks
[16:31] <osse> I'm unable to boot Ubuntu with kernel 6.2 properly. It just (seemingly anyway) hangs at [ OK ] Mounted /home.  Comparing the outputs of journactl -b for a boot with 5.19 and 6.2 I see that with 6.2 gdm-x-session is started which fails spectacularly, but with 5.19 gdm-wayland-session is started.
[16:31] <osse> Do I need to reconfigure 6.2 ? I can't remember configuring any such stuff manually before'
[17:01] <ano_> hi, I've got a question about mounting a cd drive
[17:02] <ano_> I want to backup my old cd game from cd to iso so I can play it during travel. until now I have copied everything using two commands. One was reading sizeblock and amount of blocks, and then later I copied everything using dd
[17:03] <ano_> but when it came to cd2 (yes, that goog old cd-swapping times :D  )  it was unable to read it
[17:04] <loswedseded> is there a tetris app for ubuntu?
[17:05] <ano_> and I saw that cd is somehow different. In file explorer I can see mounted two directories - one "normal" with files, and second mounts as audio cd with game soundtrack. So probably one disc contains two partitions. Am I right??
[17:06] <ano_> so how can I read the "whole" disc, not only one of it's partitions
[17:07] <ano_> comand I was using was : isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom | grep -i -E 'block size|volume size'
[17:13] <pragmaticenigma> ano_: This isn't the right forum for what you are asking. What you are asking, could be considered piracy. That goes against the rules of the channel.
[17:28] <ano_> ok, sorry. I really didn't mean no piracy, but ok, I'll seek the answer somewhere else
[17:39] <Guest302> @pragmaticenigma Well it depends on what is inside the cd
[17:49] <feitnomore> Hello... I have a Dell Mini 3080 that I upgraded from 22.10 to 23.04, and my eth0 (pci NIC) stopped working... It works for a few minutes after reboot and them stops. I am getting tons of r8169: rtl_ephyar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 10) and r8169 rtl_eiar_cond == 1 (loop: 100, delay: 100). I tried adding pcie_aspm=off to my grub, but that did not help. Any clues? I am using old kernel, but wanted to move forward to the new one
[17:49] <leftyfb> !repeat | feitnomore
[18:16] <feitnomore> Thanks! just posted there
[18:30] <laura> firefox and chrome will not work i cannot connect to internet
[18:34] <tomreyn> osse: whether gdm starts with Xorg or Wayland is defined by the "WaylandEnable=true|false" setting in the [daemon] section of the gdm configuration file in /etc/gdm3/
[18:36] <tomreyn> it's possible that - independently of this setting - gdm will fall back to Xorg in case you're using nvidia proprietary drivers (which may be the case with the one but not the other kernel version you mentioned).
[18:38] <tomreyn> feitnomore: are you referring to a "Dell OptiPlex 3080 Mini Tower" there (a "Dell Mini 3080" does not seem to exist).
[18:42] <tomreyn> feitnomore: see if you have a "cut here" line in dmesg / journalctl -b   when running the 6.2 kernel, similar to this linux mint user on bug 2032706
[18:42] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2032706 in Ubuntu "r8169 transmit queue 0 timed out (after upgrade from kernel 5.x to 6.x)" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2032706
[18:44] <tomreyn> see also the possible workaround in the mail thread leading to the upstream (kernel.org) bug report + patch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:47] <tomreyn> loswedseded: apt search tetris && snap find tetris    may tell
[19:03] <topcat001> loswedseded: I love this one: https://www.victornils.net/tetris/
[19:05] <topcat001> BinarySavior: You can also reset the mouse from the command line and see if it helps. See https://github.com/jkulesza/usbreset for a very simple utility.
[19:06] <topcat001> BinarySavior: The utility is just a wrapper for this ioctl() call: ioctl(fd, USBDEVFS_RESET, 0).
[19:08] <tomreyn> should be part of package usbutils
[19:09] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/amd64/usbutils/filelist
[19:12] <tomreyn> though this has more code added on top of the original alan stern mailing list post https://github.com/gregkh/usbutils/blob/master/usbreset.c
[19:25] <BinarySavior> thanks topcat001 & tomreyn
[19:25] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[19:33] <topcat001> np
[19:58] <Yakov> how to get my image DPI with ubuntu?
[19:59] <Yakov> is this image 300 dpi or 72 dpi? https://people.math.sc.edu/Burkardt/data/tif/autumn.tif
[20:07] <xamindar> please for the love of all that is sane, how do we complately remove snaps and switch back to native, fast-running, apps?
[20:15] <tomreyn> xamindar: there are not equivalent debian packages for all packages which have been replaced by snaps in all ubuntu releases.
[20:16] <tomreyn> you can install or download other builds of the respective software, though, where available, or build it yourself.
[20:25] <tomreyn> Yakov: i'm not really sure, but gimp seems to think it's 345x206 pixels at 72 ppi
[20:34] <xamindar> tomreyn: dang, so we can't even get around them by using the debian versions. that really sucks
[20:39] <Yakov> how do you see that?
[20:39] <Yakov> Image - Print Size  X: Y: ?
[20:42] <topcat001> Yakov: an easier way is this: `identify -format "res: %w x %h dpi: %x x %y\n" /path/to/image`
[20:43] <topcat001> identify is part of ImageMagick
[20:43] <Yakov> yes, I was looking for cmd, but was lazy to understand syntax
[20:43] <topcat001> there you go :)
[20:44] <Yakov> knowledge base psychology for it specialists just updated
[20:44] <topcat001> Yakov: FYI the format syntax is explained here: https://imagemagick.org/script/escape.php
[20:45] <Yakov> can you share your paste?
[20:45] <Yakov> would be easier for me
[20:45] <topcat001> what do you mean by my paste?
[20:47] <Yakov> what did you paste to your cmd (wihtout path)
[20:49] <tomreyn> Yakov: which ubuntu version do you run there?
[20:49] <topcat001> Yakov: I typed the exact command I used.
[20:49] <Yakov> Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish)
[20:50] <tomreyn> so you just need to install the imagemagick package and run the comand provided
[20:50] <topcat001> yes I guess I didn't understand the request :)
[20:52] <Yakov> topcat001 I'm installing Imagemagic... Asked you to share paste to let me just change path and name to file
[20:58] <topcat001> Ah I get you now. Ok: https://termbin.com/a2qo
[20:58] <topcat001> I also added the file name in case you are running this in a loop from a script.
[20:59] <Yakov> ty:)
[20:59] <Yakov> i'm having crazy slow limited thai internet, they cut you till 100kbs after you reach 50 gb per month
[21:17] <Yakov> supernova@supernova-BOHB-WAX9:~/Desktop$ identify -format "%f: res: %w x %h dpi: %x x %y\n" test.tiff | test.tiff: res: 154 x 30 dpi: 300 x 300
[21:18] <Yakov> is there some kind of analog for C++ (native or lib) ?
[21:19] <Juest> EriC^^: i realized that the upgrade disabled the plymouth ubuntu logo
[21:31] <pragmaticenigma> Yakov: there probably is, but that would be beyond the abilities of anyone here. There are channels on libera for programming help, they might be able to help you find a library  in one of those channels.
[21:32] <pragmaticenigma> Yakov: you could try first in #c++-basic or #C++-general
[21:33] <Yakov> yes, sure
[21:33] <Yakov> ty
[21:33] <topcat001> I'm very comfortable with C++, but this is off-topic.
[21:35] <Yakov> there could be short answer which is in context of our previous conversation...  could be something famous like openCV or other... nvm, sorry for offtop
[21:36] <topcat001> I don't have any specific recommendation, just try one of the many hits on google :)
[22:03] <gim> hello
[22:03] <gim> Mr Bungle
[22:04] <gim> anyone on here
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[22:07] <johansel> HOLA
[22:08] <gim> Hola Johansel
[22:11] <gim> NERFDS
[22:12] <gim> who is the person that keeps the man awake
[22:14] <genii> gim: Do you have some question relating to the support of Ubuntu?.. since that is the purpose of this channel...
[22:15] <gim> i want to go to a chatroom
[22:15] <genii> !offtopic
[22:15] <genii> The channel the bot mentions is the one for more casual conversation of Ubuntu users
[22:16] <genii> !alis
[22:17] <genii> ..and Alis is a way you can search the network here for channels relating to your specific interests
[23:22] <jwash> hi everyone, can you reccomend a remote desktop protocol to use ubuntu to ubuntu on the same wired network. x2go and vnc are both slow.
[23:46] <genii> jwash: I generally use x2x but it won't work if you're running Wayland
[23:47] <jwash> i'm not sure if i'm using wayland, i'm on ubuntu 22.04 both computers, also both use xfce
[23:49] <genii> jwash: https://itsfoss.com/check-wayland-or-xorg/
[23:51] <jwash> says x11
[23:52] <jwash> and tty, but i feel sure it's also x11 on remote computer because it's 100% the same install