 I'm about 400KM North of Toronto
[12:04] <EriC^^> ah cool
[12:05] <BluesKaj> small town near Lake Huron /North Channel..very touristy area
[12:06] <EriC^^> that's cool
[12:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's nice here...winters are very cold by your mediterranean climate standards tho
[12:09] <EriC^^> yeah, some people i knew from canada used to say you guys got special jackets against the cold
[12:09] <EriC^^> the jackets there are designed some way and are great
[12:11] <EriC^^> i've always wanted to visit canada, i had some friends there i knew from irc and we stayed friends for a long time but never met
[12:13] <EriC^^> seems like a very fun and peaceful country at the same time
[12:14] <EriC^^> you were born there?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, I was born in Finland to swedish speaking parents, sort of like Linux Torvalds. We emigrated to Canada when i was a small child. So I basically grew up here.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Linus Torvalds :-)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> What about you EriC^^ , lived in Lebanon all your life?
[13:44] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: i was born in the usa, came to lebanon when i was about 6 and was raised here in lebanon
[13:44] <EriC^^> hey pauljw
[13:45] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, interesting and you stayed, still have American citizenship ?
[13:45] <EriC^^> yup
[13:45] <BluesKaj> cool
[13:48] <BluesKaj> I've lived in Canada since I was 4 yrs old ...I'm an old retired guy now ...kids are all grown and I have 5 grandchildren
[13:49] <EriC^^> that's nice :)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Linux has become my hobby, especially in winter , it's kinda fun :-)
[14:05] <EriC^^> yup
[14:21] <pauljw> hey EriC^^ , BluesKaj, everyone.  how's it going today?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw, fine here, and you ?
[14:30] <pauljw> doing well, BluesKaj.  keep getting called away from the computer... :)
[14:59] <BluesKaj> Dreyk, check your irc cleint/internet connection or turn off auto join
[15:52] <tgm4883> Is there a name for when someone has added so many 'fixes' to something that it doesn't even resemble the original item anymore so you don't want to work on it?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, patched to death ?
[16:00] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: I was hoping for a one word catchy name, like the xy problem
[16:02] <BluesKaj> catchy , ok patchy :-)
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/06/latest-ubuntu-17-10-update-ditches-unity-desktop-installs-gnome
[18:39] <EriC^^> hey all
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:41] <EriC^^> what's up lotuspsychje ?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: just finished work
[18:42] <EriC^^> cool
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: tommorow first laptop delivery for a customer
[18:42] <EriC^^> nice!
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: Clevo i3 4gig ram 850 pro samsung ssd
[18:42] <EriC^^> nice :D
[18:43] <EriC^^> it's the dawn of a new time
[18:43] <EriC^^> hehe you know what i mean
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: this customer needs windows, so its an exception
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i was thinking to install ubuntu-gnome  16.04 on first ubuntu system i sell
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so the 18.04 unity=>gnome shock will be less
[18:45] <EriC^^> yeah that's an idea
[18:45] <EriC^^> still cant believe unity will go
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> same here
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> i silently hope, that gnome survey will give us a nice workable default gnome
[18:46] <EriC^^> hope so
[18:47] <EriC^^> i never liked gnome much, felt fat
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> gnome2 was nice
[18:47] <EriC^^> never tried that one
[18:47] <EriC^^> i think ill stick with unity
[18:47] <EriC^^> its been my favorite
[18:48] <EriC^^> it's hard to part with it :D
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> i know, but i cant risk to mess with my customers
[18:48] <EriC^^> xubuntu is lacking lubuntu is pale gnome is fat kde is fisiky
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> so i thought, why not training them to gnome right away?
[18:49] <EriC^^> yeah it's a good idea
[18:49] <EriC^^> you know, i wish you could like make an os that has multiple de nicely and they can choose which to keep
[18:50] <EriC^^> everybody puts linux and first thing they think is i wanna try de's
[18:51] <EriC^^> just an idea
[18:51] <lotuspsychje_> yeah
[18:51] <lotuspsychje_> EriC^^: they say unity will still in repos right, but wont it die silently?
[18:52] <EriC^^> i hope so!
[18:52] <EriC^^> i think i'll still run it far into the future
[18:52] <EriC^^> i'm still on xchat to this day!
[18:52] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[18:52] <lotuspsychje_> well it sure is lighter then hex
[18:53] <EriC^^> yeah it looks nicer and just is nice
[18:53] <EriC^^> it's odd unity is great, i wonder what the motivation was to cut it
[18:54] <EriC^^> if anything is just needs a button "always behind" in the window and then its perfect almost (xubuntu has that)
[18:55] <lotuspsychje_> what i find intrusive, is to create something to take away
[18:55] <lotuspsychje_> why not leave it alive and keep it updated and focus to gnome?
[18:55] <EriC^^> what do you mean?
[18:55] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:55] <EriC^^> saving costs i guess
[18:55] <EriC^^> $$
[18:56] <lotuspsychje_> same for the BQ phones, users payed for a phone, now in june updates ends?
[18:56] <EriC^^> it's the flagship though
[18:56] <lotuspsychje_> you cant rip off ppl like that
[18:56] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:57] <lotuspsychje_> im sure BQ would say now, you can still install android image
[18:57] <EriC^^> aha
[18:58] <EriC^^> that's shitty
[18:58] <EriC^^> oh well, c'est la vie!
[18:59] <EriC^^> $ makes the world turn around
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> buy one, throw away one..
[18:59] <EriC^^> it's just so inconsistent
[19:00] <EriC^^> ubuntu is supposed to be something
[19:00] <EriC^^> and it's a company trying to be profitable at the same time
[19:00] <EriC^^> somebody should make an actual ubuntu
[19:00] <EriC^^> lol
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> its ironical
[19:01] <EriC^^> yeah
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> but mark says desktop will keep important so
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> lucky us
[19:01] <nacc> to be clear, ubuntu is not a company
[19:02] <EriC^^> i dont buy it a lot, why's unity going
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> nacc: but devs get payed right?
[19:02] <EriC^^> nacc: how so?
[19:02] <nacc> lotuspsychje: canonical employees get paid
[19:02] <nacc> EriC^^: canonical is a company
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> right
[19:02] <nacc> EriC^^: ubuntu is an open source project
[19:03] <EriC^^> well yeah but it's target is to make the company profitable
[19:03] <nacc> lotuspsychje: and other companies pay their employees to contribute to ubuntu as well (IBM, Intel, etc.)
[19:03] <nacc> EriC^^: whose target?
[19:03] <EriC^^> canonical's
[19:03] <EriC^^> if ubuntu doesn't make money bam it's gone no?
[19:03] <nacc> ubuntu makes $0
[19:03] <nacc> EriC^^: i think you're blurring a line unnecessarily
[19:04] <nacc> In that canonical is a for-profit company, yes, I think canonical's goal is to make a profit
[19:04] <EriC^^> yeah and ubuntu is their project
[19:04] <nacc> That does not, in and of itself, determine ubuntu's direction in all matters
[19:05] <nacc> there is a lot of stuff in ubuntu that has nothing to do with revenue or profit
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> lets say canonical looses money, ubuntu desktop will remain stable?
[19:05] <EriC^^> well that's nice to know
[19:05] <nacc> EriC^^: i mean, most of universe, probably :)
[19:05] <nacc> EriC^^: it's all just normal open source stuff
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> its hard for us to divide canonical & ubuntu
[19:06] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i'm not sure how to answer that
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> but we are users, not insiders
[19:06] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i have to wear both hats, so i divide them all the time :)
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> i see
[19:06] <nacc> lotuspsychje: but i understand that
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> the infrastructure is complex
[19:07] <nacc> lotuspsychje: which infrastructure?
[19:07] <EriC^^> it doesn't feel like canonical cares about the users of ubuntu nor the ideology it presented with ubuntu itself
[19:07] <EriC^^> take the name itself
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> i mean like, IOT, servers, ubuntu core, all branches their going
[19:08] <nacc> EriC^^: what makes you say that? (two statements there, I guess maybe the first one)
[19:09] <EriC^^> nacc: well i read that for instance phones were dropped cause they were deemed unprofitable, and also unity 8 was dropped cause it guess it's related to phones and unity will cost money to maintain
[19:10] <nacc> EriC^^: the canonical investment in both was dropped, yes
[19:10] <EriC^^> and unity was like the flagship easy going easy to use ubuntu "unity" unifying desktop, and it's like no money it's gone
[19:11] <nacc> EriC^^: so you would expect a company to stay invested in a revenue-losing venture (not justifying it, just trying to understand) -- e.g., phone or unity8.
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> well i also understand, times changes
[19:12] <nacc> EriC^^: tbh, unity was a failure
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> if wayland is the future..perhaps we cant stay behind?
[19:12] <nacc> EriC^^: well, 'convergence' was -- via unity8
[19:12] <nacc> no one else went that route
[19:12] <nacc> and it's impossible for one distribution to maintain a fork like that forever, it's just too expensive
[19:12] <EriC^^> i guess either i have it confused or i think its more of a misleading kind of thing, like i read that the guy was a millionaire and wanted to make an open source project thats friendly to users and stuff like that, feels more like a club or idea or so, and then it's like it's some guy who's trying to show he can put nice profit numbers out of an open source project
[19:13] <nacc> (a fork of the entire graphics stack that is)
[19:13] <nacc> EriC^^: I certainly think that's how it started
[19:13] <nacc> EriC^^: but he also started a *company* to do it
[19:13] <EriC^^> the logo, the names of the os etc they all convey a certain idea, but it's far from the actual concept that's going on
[19:13] <nacc> EriC^^: not just paying existing open source developers without any direction
[19:14] <nacc> EriC^^: i think it's perfectly legitimate to not favor the direction ubuntu is going
[19:14] <nacc> EriC^^: but i think it's also irrational to think one person is going to intentionally lose money to keep non-paying users happy
[19:14] <nacc> (just my opinion, to be clear)
[19:14] <nacc> EriC^^: i think phone and unity8 were both huge mistakes, tbh
[19:14] <EriC^^> well he's a millionaire
[19:14] <EriC^^> :P
[19:15] <EriC^^> or billionaire?
[19:15] <nacc> EriC^^: neither should have ever been done
[19:15] <nacc> EriC^^: yes, and probalby he'd like to stay one :)
[19:15] <EriC^^> well yeah
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> are there distro's that keep their systems up to date for free?
[19:16] <EriC^^> so why the whole ubuntu name and logo and and and
[19:16] <nacc> lotuspsychje: how do you mean? ubuntu, fedora and opensuse, among others, are free
[19:16] <nacc> lotuspsychje: debian, arch, etc.
[19:16] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i guess arch isn't a company
[19:16] <nacc> lotuspsychje: or do you mean 'for free' as in 'without cost to the distribution' ?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah without cost to distr
[19:17] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i'm not sure how arch does it, tbh. They might get donations from users, e.g.
[19:18] <nacc> lotuspsychje: but just hosting a distribution takes $$
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> ah yes
[19:19] <nacc> EriC^^: i wasn't around when ubuntu started (at canonical). I've been using ubuntu roughly since then, though. What specifically do you feel like is not following ubuntu's mission or name?
[19:23] <EriC^^> nacc: well the dropping off the phones, unity 8 and unity all together due to profitability issues
[19:23] <nacc> EriC^^: so i think basically, canonical was propping up unity8
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: and mark has chosen to stop that
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: if unity8 wants to continue because it's the 'right' choice, that's a community decision to make
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: tbh, like i said, i think the phone idea was stupid
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: and was guaranteed to fail
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: i think unity8 is tied to phone/convergence
[19:24] <nacc> EriC^^: once the latter is gone, the former is not really sensible
[19:25] <EriC^^> yeah, why drop unity altogether though
[19:25] <nacc> EriC^^: they are just changing the default
[19:25] <nacc> EriC^^: unity is still in the archives
[19:25] <nacc> unity 7 that is
[19:25] <EriC^^> it wont get any updates past 18.04 though no?
[19:26] <nacc> EriC^^: why not?
[19:26] <nacc> EriC^^: it's not being removed from ubuntu
[19:26] <EriC^^> well that's cool
[19:26] <nacc> EriC^^: at least, afaik
[19:26] <EriC^^> i thought it won't be in the repos or have any changes being made at all
[19:26] <nacc> EriC^^: i mean it'll be in universe and someone has to keep taking care of it
[19:26] <nacc> EriC^^: that is not my understanding, but I could be wrong
[19:27] <nacc> EriC^^: it will be like xfce4 or gnome-shell is now
[19:27] <nacc> EriC^^: although gnome-shell just moved to main in 17.10
[19:28] <nacc> EriC^^: and probably unity will drop to universe in 17.10 as well
[19:28] <EriC^^> oh ok
[19:28] <nacc> EriC^^: i'm not on desktop or really involved, so i'm not sure what the plan is for 18.04 exactly
[19:28] <nacc> EriC^^: but i don't think there's any intention of it being removed
[19:28] <nacc> EriC^^: just a default change (gnome going forward)
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> articles say it will still be on repos
[19:28] <nacc> which puts ubuntu more in line with many other distributions
[19:30] <EriC^^> nice! :D
[19:30] <xangua> Too much chocolate
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua & KingsQuest
[19:32] <KingsQuest> hello
[19:32] <KingsQuest> thank you
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> xangua: is there such a thing as too much?
[19:40] <xangua> 10 chocolate bars
[19:40] <xangua> 8 left
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> wash it down with a couple of beers :p
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> welcome tamaros
[20:07] <Bashing-om> Chores caught up .. and back on the keyboard :)
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> wb Bashing-om
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: support slow & steady
[20:10] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I be watching now .. see what my 2 cents is worth :)
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys bedtime :p
[20:19] <Bashing-om> Nite nite lotuspsychje o/
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> nite ; )


[00:00] <dStruct> Snoop_: basically to install and run Ubuntu on your tablet it would require somewhat advanced knowledge of how linux works, it may be difficult but it looks like it can be done
[00:01] <Snoop_> wow this link is very helpful this is exactly whats going on with my tablet
[00:01] <Snoop_> i already have ubuntu installed its just some things are not working properly
[00:03] <bleb> hey i want to use vainfo to find out what codecs i can hardware decode
[00:04] <bleb> but it seems like vainfo depends on libva-wayland2
[00:04] <bleb> why would this be? im not using wayland
[00:06] <bleb> i see there is also libva-x11-2
[00:07] <bleb> but apt says it will install libva-wayland2 for vainfo
[00:10] <Bashing-om> bleb: ' apt depends vainfo " yup - Depends: libva-wayland2. That is a question for the package manager people :)
[00:11] <bleb> cool
[00:12] <OerHeks> because you have a wayland session also?
[00:12] <OerHeks> that is standard, btw
[00:12] <bleb> why would i
[00:13] <OerHeks> default xorg, Wayland as option installed
[00:13] <bleb> the default xorg package installs wayland?
[00:14] <OerHeks> no, as wayland is installed too, those dependencies are not that surprising
[00:14] <bleb> wayland is installed? why?
[00:14] <Bashing-om> bleb: Wayland is a optional environment that yuou may boot into . ( I find I like it over the traditional Xorg)
[00:14] <OerHeks> logout, change DE, login :-)
[00:14] <bleb> does 18.04 include wayland by default
[00:15] <OerHeks> yes, that is wht i try to tell ya
[00:15] <bleb> is there an option not to
[00:16] <OerHeks> No, and removing wayland can be an interesting job
[00:16] <bleb> i was under the impression that 18.04 uses x by default
[00:16] <OerHeks> yes, that is correct
[00:16] <bleb> so wayland is integrated into the system even if you use x?
[00:17] <OerHeks> but wayland is installed too
[00:17] <bleb> aren't they two separate ways of managing windows
[00:17] <OerHeks> you *can* disable wayland from login, edit /etc/gdm3/custom.conf and uncomment #WaylandEnable=false
[00:18] <bleb> ah
[00:18] <bleb> well i forgot to mention this is xubuntu so gdm is not included by default
[00:19] <dStruct> OerHeks: ok so get this one, that issue installing server with my NIC, the ethernet 100% works AFTER Ubuntu installs lol, go figure
[00:20] <OerHeks> xubuntu, does that use lightdm?
[00:20] <OerHeks> dStruct, oh, surprisingly ,..
[00:21] <dStruct> OerHeks: yeah I was shocked, I went and grabbed a USB to Eth adapter I had laying around, pulled up ifconfig and noticed I had a down unconfigured eno1 lol
[00:23] <Bashing-om> dStruct: OerHeks :: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ dpkg -l lightdm >> ii  lightdm        1.26.0-0ubun amd64        Display Manager" .
[00:24] <OerHeks> ah oke, then my brain is still working
[00:24] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I never doubted :P
[00:58] <qwebirc60513> hey i am having an issue signing  the kernel after upgrading to 19
[00:58] <qwebirc60513> on secure boot
[01:01] <dash886> moving to the other pc'
[01:23] <Guest85076> as
[01:23] <Krennic> hmm
[01:24] <Guest85076> hello
[01:28] <Guest85076> hi, running an ACER CLOUDBOOK 14, had ubuntu running fine on it...then problems began. systems tkes forever to boot. then, suddenly, sleep fails, and now ...cant boot into os at all. the emmc drive is not even being recognized
[01:29] <Guest85076> im running off the live usb and fdisk -l only shows the usb but not the internal storage
[01:29] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: Hello. Have you ran a file system check/repair ?
[01:30] <Guest85076> i have yes
[01:30] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: When bootiung, does bios see the hard drive ?
[01:30] <dash886> yes
[01:31] <Guest85076> but the emmc drive doesnt even show up in bios,no
[01:31] <dash886> i think it is due  to secure boot
[01:31] <Guest85076> ive tried w nd wo secure boot
[01:31] <Guest85076> same issues
[01:32] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: If bios can not see the drivem can not pass it on to the kernel . Bad connection to the drive ?
[01:33] <Guest85076> very strange
[01:34] <transhumanist> Hi! Its been a while since using wordpress on the ubuntu platform. Figured I would run by you all the problem that has been referred to me. http://wordpress.localhost/ some how ends up getting redirected to http://wordpress.localhost. As far as I can see nowhere in wordpress does it do this redirection. And it doesn't appear to be an htaccess file problem. Any ideas?
[01:34] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: I do have that issue that sometimes my boot drive looses a good connectiuon. reseating restores :)
[01:34] <Guest85076> i can boot the emmc drive ...takes me to grub loader...ive treied bootin the ubuntu default and recovery--both casue a kernel panik
[01:34] <transhumanist> oops the redirected it to http://wordpress.localhost:8080
[01:35] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: But, you day that '
[01:35] <Bashing-om> fdisk' does not detect the drive ?
[01:36] <Guest85076> does not ,nope
[01:36] <Guest85076> only sees the usb
[01:43] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: Sorta confusing in that you advise that bios does not see the drive, fdisk does not see the drive, yet you say you can boot to the grub boot loader. Is this "boot loader" on the liveUSB ?
[01:43] <OerHeks> maybe the drive is not visible if the boot was in legacy ( not uefi)
[01:44] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: \o/ Good thought !
[01:44] <Guest85076> hey
[01:47] <Guest85076> ok if I CAN boot the emmc drive it just kernel panics
[01:50] <Bashing-om> Guest85076: Then what shows ' sudo parted -l ' from the liveUSB ?
[02:09] <wildEMU> Do permissions forbid rsync from backing up to a remote servers mounted hdd?
[02:14] <teward> wildEMU: that's entirely dependent on how permissions on the remote server are set up and how you're rsyncing to it
[02:14] <teward> such as where it's being written, what user you're using to do the remote sync to, etc.
[02:24] <Squarism> theres this chrome extension called "move to workspace" (or similar) that moves any new window to a certain workspace # depending on application. Im not sure how workspace 1 is resolved. Will that allways be empty? if I add a window to workspace 1 it becomes 2?
[02:27] <OerHeks> Squarism, i think that is a *gnome* extention, yes, it keeps track of your desired setting
[02:27] <Squarism> hehe.. oops. brain malfunction
[02:27] <OerHeks> np, i understand it
[02:28] <Squarism> OerHeks, does it work as I described or in some other way?
[02:28] <OerHeks> and install gnome-tweak-tool, that gives access to those extentions easily
[02:28] <Squarism> i have it
[02:30] <OerHeks> if i open it, auto-move-windows > settings, i can add a rule, then you can select manually app and workspace
[02:30] <OerHeks> but fluently and standard, hexchat here opens always on workspace2, where i closed it
[02:34] <Squarism> OerHeks, im interrested in how workspaces are labled/numbered.
[02:35] <OerHeks> systemsettings > devices > displays #gives the indicator in the left top corners
[02:39] <Squarism> OerHeks, hmm not here. It shows the "display #"
[02:39] <Squarism> i have dynamic workspaces turned on in gnome tweak tool
[02:41] <Squarism> ...and it doesnt seem to close empty workspaces as it says
[02:45] <Aztec03> I upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I noticed the nautilus UI has changed. What is the normally intuitive method for connecting to a remote server with it?
[02:45] <Aztec03> is it really CTRL-L with no means of telling the user visually?
[02:46] <teward> Aztec03: "+ Other Locations" and the Connect to Server bar at the bottom?
[02:46] <Aztec03> I see, thanks
[02:46] <Aztec03> fastest solution ever ^_^
[02:47] <AndyChow888> Hi. I'm having a basic problem. My 3rd monitor doesn't show up. They are all connected to a radeon RX 480 by display port. They work when booting with windows.
[02:48] <AndyChow888> xrandr outputs: xrandr: Output DisplayPort-0 is not disconnected but has no modes
[02:54] <Squarism> what do i miss if i switch from IBUS to NONE as "Keyboard input method"?
[02:54] <Squarism> (Ibus is stealing important shortcuts)
[02:57] <guest69> Has anyone found a fix for lightdm default user-session? I've set the user-session=LXDE, and the greeter shows it as the default; yet mate is always selected (not even installed as such mind, just the screensaver)
[02:58] <guest69> any way to get it to stay with the default?
[02:59] <guiverc> guest69, are you just talking about a mate plymouth screen (ie. a image showed instead of boot message)  (it doesn't relate to lxde/lubuntu/mate - it's like a wallpaper and can be changed)
[03:01] <guest69> no, I'm talking about lightdm and using slick-greeter, and the default set to LXDE, but it preselects mate - which is not actually installed, just the screensaver
[03:01] <guest69> which leaves a non-useable system unless you're watching what you're doing - and I have inexperienced users
[03:02] <guest69> dmrc is LXDE too btw
[03:03] <guest69> for some reason it is being stubborn and listening to the config at all
[03:03] <guest69> unless there is a config that I'm missing somewhere that I don't know about - AFAIK conf overrides dconf though, shouldn't it?
[03:03] <guest69> ^not listening
[03:03] <guiverc> guest69, it may help if we know a release of Ubuntu
[03:04] <guiverc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM is the lightdm wiki
[03:05] <guest69> issue is with lightdm - no ubuntu involved. As far as I was aware, that was an ubuntu project though, wasn't it?
[03:05] <AndyChow888> I doubt it. gdm is the gnome thing.
[03:06] <guiverc> if you're not using Ubuntu, you're off-topic as this room supports Ubuntu releases.  If you have a bug with a software package (lightdm) you should file it with your release of GNU/Linux, and upstream after that ..
[03:06] <guest69> plus all the issues I've discovered via google have all involved ubuntu as well
[03:06] <guiverc> guest69, ^
[03:07] <guiverc> most references relate to ubuntu, it may not mean anything more than most people/references refer to ubuntu causing google to relate it that way
[03:08] <guiverc> `lightdm` has been a community package since before 18.04 LTS (probably 17.04)
[03:08] <AndyChow888> guest69, do you have a ~/.dmrc file?
[03:11] <guest69> AndyChow888: yes - set to LXDE as well
[03:11] <guest69> so no idea why it would insist on mate
[03:12] <AndyChow888> guest69, what are the permission to that file? They must be 644
[03:16] <guest69> permissions are correct -rw-r--r--
[03:17] <guest69> what other conf files are there? user-session-LXDE in lightdm.conf
[03:17] <the2048> I'd say do 755 for some example permissions if you need to modify
[03:19] <guest69> the2048: I'll give it a shot, but I'd say that's overkill - that would also allow whatever is insisting on mate to adjust it to what it wants as well
[03:19] <the2048> Yeah
[03:20] <the2048> But if you need to just quickly test something then you can use it temporarily
[03:20] <AndyChow888> rw-r-r is 644 alright.
[03:20] <guest69> to test will kick me off here. What other configs would have relevance here?
[03:20] <guest69> yep
[03:21] <guest69> read = 4, write = 2
[03:21] <guest69> exec = 1
[03:21] <AndyChow888> Yeah. Orthogonal encoding.
[03:48] <bleb> im trying to mount an nfs share
[03:48] <bleb> $ showmount -e <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:48] <bleb> Export list for <IP_ADDRESS>:
[03:48] <bleb> /usr/home/cm/kodi (everyone)
[03:48] <bleb> ^ so far so good. but then:
[03:48] <bleb> $ sudo mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/usr/home/cm/kodi mnt
[03:48] <bleb> mount.nfs: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
[03:49] <bleb> any way to get more diagnostic info?
[03:49] <bleb> the nfs server is freebsd fwiw...
[03:51] <Eickmeyer> bleb: I'm no expert at this, but what happens if you leave the absolute path out? (i.e. sudo mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:52] <bleb> mount.nfs: remote share not in 'host:dir' format
[03:52] <bleb> another thing is this:
[03:52] <bleb> $ sudo mount -t nfs -o vers=4 <IP_ADDRESS>:/usr/home/cm/kodi mnt
[03:52] <bleb> mount.nfs: Protocol not supported
[03:52] <bleb> this appears to be saying nfsv4 is not supported
[03:53] <bleb> but this seems to say nfsv4 is supported https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto
[03:54] <Eickmeyer> bleb: try the same command, but with "mount -t nfs4" instead and see what happens.
[03:56] <Eickmeyer> bleb: i.e. sudo mount -t nfs4 <IP_ADDRESS>:/usr/home/cm/kodi mnt
[03:57] <bleb> still
[03:57] <bleb> mount.nfs4: requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported
[03:57] <Eickmeyer> bleb: Did you "modprobe nfs"?
[03:59] <bleb> yeah
[03:59] <bleb> ah i think i figured it out
[04:00] <bleb> rpcbind on the nas was not aware of the nfsd
[04:00] <Eickmeyer> Ah. Yep, that would do it.
[06:19] <shadow-walker> hello
[06:45] <deanc> Morning. I'm encountering a strange issue where sometimes my caps lock key gets err locked. Even when i disconnect the keyboard and plug it in again, it's set to on, so I know this is not a hw issue
[06:51] <qwebirc30628> hi, does anyone know where to find instruction to reinstall ubuntu on a machine with ubuntu already on uefi.
[06:51] <qwebirc30628> i only see instruction from windows to ubuntu, but I don't see any from ubuntu to ubuntu.
[07:42] <Koopz> hmmm... can i move specific users to a new server?
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> Koopz: come join in #ubuntu-server for likeminded volunteers
[07:44] <elias_a> Is 14.04 still upgradeable to newer versions?
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> elias_a: yes, still supported to LTS upgrade
[07:44] <Koopz> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i'd ask the same question in case i should get a new workstation running the desktop version but fine
[07:44] <elias_a> lotuspsychje: TY
[08:18] <Basinator> Hi there!
[08:18] <Basinator> I am tryying for roughly 5 workdays to get VNC working on LTSP-clients
[08:18] <Basinator> if you got any advice or can help I am grateful for that.
[08:19] <Basinator> I can contact the server by vnc
[08:19] <Basinator> but not to an LTSP client
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> Basinator: be carefull with vnc, its a big security risk these days, can you do your work over ssh for example?
[08:19] <Basinator> We want direct support to one of our customers who runs edubuntu
[08:20] <Basinator> As in: See what they see.
[08:20] <mouses> Basinator: can't think of a single good reason one would ever want to run vnc
[08:20] <Basinator> I have tried anydesktop for linux, but I think it has the same issue for not working as VNC
[08:20] <mouses> Basinator: try chrome remote desktop?
[08:20] <Basinator> it looks like the xserver of the LTSP client can't open a display for that app
[08:21] <Basinator> I don't even know how to setup chrome remote desktop on an LTSP client because the only GUI is the login screen to LTSP and else I can only use console.
[08:21] <Basinator> And TBH I am not sure if it wouldn
[08:21] <Basinator> 't run in the same x-org issue
[08:22] <Basinator> I can grab the VNC error message, moment.
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> Basinator: we really reccomend to use something else, your machines will get hammered on vnc
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> !vnc | Basinator
[08:23] <Basinator> Tell that my boss. :p
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Basinator: you tell it to your boss :p
[08:24] <Basinator> VNC errors regarding X, prob .XAuthority: http://paste.arn-fai.net/?2872227
[08:25] <Basinator> If you got other solutions, sure.
[08:25] <Basinator> I figured I might could configure SSH after setting up VNC
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> Basinator: ssh X, teamviewer, remmina, ..
[08:25] <Basinator> I might need to create an .Xauthority but no idea on how to do that
[08:26] <Basinator> Isn't Remmina an VLC client? I tried it and worked not at all while other VNCviewers did (VNC connection to the LTSP serveR)
[08:26] <Basinator> teamviewer isn't free to use as a company
[08:27] <Basinator> plus: linux download page is a 404.
[08:28] <Basinator> x ssh...Well, we run Windows machines here.
[08:31] <Basinator> So yeah, I am not convinced any of these are alternatives for us.
[08:31] <Basinator> Anydesk sounds fine, but only runs properly if the LTSP client user is also logged in as a session on the LTSP server
[08:36] <matteotanca> hi all
[08:37] <matteotanca> I'm getting this error whit apt update
[08:37] <matteotanca> W: Errore GPG: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release: Le seguenti firme non erano valide: EXPKEYSIG 1397BC53640DB551 Google Inc. (Linux Packages Signing Authority<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:37] <matteotanca> can you help? I already tried to delete the key and redownload it, seems like the key is invalid
[08:37] <NTQ> Musst wohl mal deinen Key vom Google PPA aktualisieren.
[08:38] <NTQ> oh, sorry. :-D
[08:38] <NTQ> matteotanca: Seems your PGP key for the Google PPA is too old. I guess you have installed Google Chrome?
[08:39] <NTQ> The easiest solution could be to download the chrome installer again an install it again, then the key should be refreshed too.
[08:39] <guiverc> matteotanca, have a look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1133199/the-following-signatures-were-invalid-expkeysig-1397bc53640db551
[08:39] <NTQ> But that's just aguess
[08:40] <guiverc> (ie. google stuffed up, no doubt they'll be working on it so be patient)
[08:41] <matteotanca> yeah same problem, maybe is a google problem becouse I already tried to reinstall chrome from google and also tried to delete apt list and keys, but still having the error
[08:41] <matteotanca> thanks, I'll wait
[08:54] <faekjarz> Hi, is there a DEB package of nvtop(https://github.com/Syllo/nvtop) somewhere?
[09:02] <ducasse> faekjarz: if there is nothing in the repos you should ask the maintainer of the software
[09:10] <algun> What's the key combo for switching virtual desktops in Ubuntu's own UI?
[09:10] <algun> I forgot its name (I wanna say docky?) otherwise I'd google it myself
[09:11] <algun> oh i tried ctrl+alt+up/down, that works
[09:13] <algun> Different question then. I have a laptom and a monitor connected to it. I show one screen on the stand-alone monitor, one on the leptop. When I disconnect the monitor, how do I get to its screen on the laptop? Mind you the laptop's screen does not show the title bar or the side dock.
[09:14] <algun> the above-mentioned virtual desktop key combo doesn't do anything for me in this scenario
[09:16] <faekjarz> ducasse: well, it's not in their README, so i guess i'll have to build it myself.
[09:17] <ducasse> faekjarz: that, or search launchpad for a ppa
[09:23] <Basinator> On my issue above: Any advice on how to craete an .Xauthory file for root?
[09:23] <Basinator> (For x11vnc on a LTSP client)
[09:33] <tiptop> hi@ll, problem@SCRIPT: crontab call a script....script starts tmux....then calls a script, cause cramping with tiks (') and quotes ("), it works fine. BUT: only with "cd path"...."./path/script.sh". it should be possible to use the absolute path, but it doesnt. :/
[09:49] <FrogCast> Hey, I am getting a error when trying to run a qprocess `"Resource error (fork failure): Cannot allocate memory"`
[09:51] <FrogCast> It was working before, but I have made a change that adds a massive hash into memory, which has my program now idling at about 2.5 gigabytes large.
[09:51] <FrogCast> Thing is, I should have more than enough ram leftover to fork, but it is not letting this program do so.
[10:22] <tiiptop> Q: <tiptop> hi@ll, problem@SCRIPT: crontab call a script....script starts tmux....then calls a script, cause cramping with tiks (') and quotes ("), it works fine. BUT: only with "cd path"...."./path/script.sh". it should be possible to use the absolute path, but it doesnt. :/
[10:27] <EriC^> tiiptop: maybe the script depends on the cwd to be set
[10:28] <EriC^> tiiptop: so cd path, /absolute/path/script.sh would actually work in that case
[10:52] <tiiptop> EriC^: , "cd path"(=/home/user/paht/)...."./script.sh" is working. NOTworking: /home/user/path/script.sh. mh. :/
[10:52] <EriC^> tiiptop: try to cd path then use absolute path
[10:53] <tiiptop> EriC^: is there no way just to use an absolute path there?
[10:54] <tiiptop> EriC^: i like to skip "cd path"....is there no way just to use an absolute path there?
[10:55] <EriC^> tiiptop: as i said see if cd path then using absolute path works
[10:55] <EriC^> if it does then use cron's way to set the environment, or set it from within the script itself somehow
[11:05] <tiiptop> EriC^: yes, it works. ("cd path"...."/home/user/path/script.sh") what is it telling u?? (i dont get it.)
[11:05] <EriC^> tiiptop: it's telling me your script depends on the set CWD to work, it doesnt actually set it itself intelligently
[11:05] <EriC^> tiiptop: either use cron's environment settings, or modify the script
[11:07] <EriC^> tiiptop: do you know what a CWD is?
[11:33] <JonelethIrenicus> drivermanger_dbus is failing because it cant import Qt 5.10, but i am not showing 5.10 in my repos and I am showing 5.9 in the repos any idea how to fix this?
[11:38] <tomreyn> !details | JonelethIrenicus
[11:38] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: drivermanager_dbus is crashing because it cannot import a a library because it can't find the version it wants
[11:39] <JonelethIrenicus> DriverManager_DBus crashed with ImportError in __main__: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.10' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/PyQt5/QtCore.so)
[11:39] <tomreyn> start with ubuntu version, explain what you're doing, what prints this error message.
[11:40] <tomreyn> and provide the full in- and output on a pastebin
[11:41] <tomreyn> DriverManager_DBus is a function in a python library. if this is an ubuntu support request, not just a proigramming question (off-topic here) then you must be running some command which calls this function.
[11:42] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: its apart of my DE
[11:42] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: your ubuntu version is?
[11:42] <JonelethIrenicus> in KDE the Settings manager and it is called in the background
[11:42] <JonelethIrenicus> 18.04
[11:43] <JonelethIrenicus> i dont know much more then that
[11:43] <JonelethIrenicus> i got this error because it pops up some times
[11:43] <JonelethIrenicus> wants to report the error
[11:43] <tomreyn> okay, that's much better already.
[11:44] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: so you have ubuntu or kubuntu 18.04 installed (not some derivative, right? and when you start the KDE settings manager then sometimes an error message pops up whic reports "DriverManager_DBus crashed with ImportError in __main__: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5.10' not found (required by /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/PyQt5/QtCore.so)". Correct?
[11:47] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: still around?
[11:48] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: it happens any time it runs in the background
[11:49] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: okay, thanks for clarifying. can you confirm that you're seeing this issue on ubuntu or kubuntu 18.04 (not some derivative)?
[11:49] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: you can run this command if unsure: nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};)
[11:49] <pagios> Hi, when running ssh -X on my cloud headless system, the graphics are so slow |(example playing a video remotely) how can i optimize this?
[11:50] <JonelethIrenicus> its kubuntu
[11:51] <blackflow> pagios: you can't really. best you can do is run openssh server with "none" cipher support, but I don't think regular Ubuntu's ssh can do that without rebuilding it.
[11:52] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/PyQt5/QtCore.so is a library you installed via pip, it would seem?
[11:52] <pagios> blackflow, so it is slow by default?
[11:53] <blackflow> pagios: yes. remote xorg is not meant for high bandwidth situations, definitely not over ssh designed for typing (ack after smallest packets). I've had it very slow even on localhost between two jails, via tcp.
[11:53] <blackflow> (so let alone any actual network latency involved)
[11:54] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: maybe
[11:54] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: how do i know
[11:56] <pagios> blackflow, alternatives to run remote gui?
[11:56] <pagios> not teamviewer please :)
[11:56] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: i'd think    /usr/bin/pip3 list --local
[11:57] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: can you post the last 500 lines of your system journal?     journalctl -n 500 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:57] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: it shows "PyQt5 (5.10.1)"
[11:58] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/5zfa
[11:58] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: right, that's not installed by default
[11:59] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: i guess not
[11:59] <tomreyn> if you installed the python3-pyqt5 package via apt, you'd see the library in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt5 , not in /usr/local/lib/python3.6/dist-packages/PyQt5
[11:59] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: should i uninstall it?
[12:00] <JonelethIrenicus> right
[12:00] <JonelethIrenicus> ok
[12:00] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: you installed it, so oyu'll be best qualified to tell whether it's wise to uninstall it.
[12:00] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah sure
[12:01] <JonelethIrenicus> pip is always so dangerous
[12:01] <tomreyn> you should use virtualenvs
[12:01] <JonelethIrenicus> ya
[12:01] <JonelethIrenicus> dont know why it doesn't use them by default
[12:01] <JonelethIrenicus> for ignorant people like me
[12:01] <JonelethIrenicus> haha
[12:02] <tomreyn> or at least dont install python modules system wide, but in the system user scope
[12:02] <JonelethIrenicus> i see
[12:02] <JonelethIrenicus> is that the difference between sudo and just pip
[12:02] <JonelethIrenicus> ?
[12:03] <tomreyn> yes and no, you'd need to run pipi without sudo, but also with the --user option.
[12:06] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: in addition to the drivermanager issue, your system log shows several file system mounting issues.
[12:07] <tomreyn> i suggest you uninstall the system wide pythion 3.6 pyqt module, then see if the drivermanager works fine.
[12:08] <tomreyn> this is what the full error message looks lik eon your logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ysd9b4hVgY/
[12:09] <tomreyn> you will need to restart your desktop environment after removing this python module.
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:11] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: do you need any more help with this?
[12:13] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: i think i will just uninstall that package and hopefully that resolves any further issues
[12:13] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: thanks
[12:14] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: i am moving my extra drives from ntfs to ext4 so it is a little messy right now
[12:14] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: i think it will solve the immediate python issue. the mounting issues which i assume may slow down your system boot significantly, will likely prevail.
[12:15] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: yeah it is annoying happens sometimes
[12:16] <tomreyn> you should compare the lines in /etc/fstab against the output of lsblk
[12:18] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: thanks i will
[12:19] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: that is one of the reasons i am moving to ext4
[12:19] <tomreyn> pagios: vnc will be better.
[12:19] <JonelethIrenicus> tomreyn: proton and wine give so much issues if you use an NTFS disk
[12:20] <tomreyn> JonelethIrenicus: i have little experience with either, can't comment.
[12:21] <tomreyn> pagios: also consider x2go
[12:33] <TomyWork> I'm trying to boot off a usb stick with kubuntu 18.04.2 on it and i'm getting something like /casper/vmlinuz not found
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: how did you create your usb?
[12:34] <TomyWork> i think the guy who gave it to me just copied the iso onto it with windows explorer
[12:34] <TomyWork> not sure though, still inquiring
[12:34] <TomyWork> what's the proper way?
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: you need a tool to create an usb
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !usb | TomyWork
[12:35] <TomyWork> surprisingly, i get a grub menu, though :D
[12:36] <TomyWork> he sent me this: https://rufus.ie/de_DE.html
[12:36] <TomyWork> not good?
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: rufus should work actually
[12:37] <TomyWork> ok, do i need to put it into legacy bios mode or something?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: do you want to singleboot or dualboot?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: and wich Os do you create the usb from?
[12:41] <TomyWork> single boot
[12:41] <TomyWork> and from windows, on another machine
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: try universal usb installer
[12:41] <TomyWork> deactivating secureboot doesnt help either :/
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: doublecheck your iso with !md5
[12:47] <tomreyn> TomyWork: you don't need to switch to legacy (BIOS) boot, you should not need to have to disable secure boot. i suggest you just re-do the usb.
[12:53] <beaver> §1
[13:13] <TomyWork> this kubuntu installer is clunky, how do i tell it to create 32 GB of swap and use LVM?
[13:14] <TomyWork> i dont seem to be able to configure lvm with it at all
[13:14] <TomyWork> oh well i guess i'll just move some space over later
[13:17] <EriC^> TomyWork: you could just create a larger swap file later if it's 18.04+
[13:18] <TomyWork> not gonnause a swap file
[13:18] <TomyWork> but i know how to move space to the swap with lvm later
[13:19] <makk> You could also switch to another tty and do it on the terminal there if you know how.
[13:20] <TomyWork> i dont really want to interfere with the installer in that way :)
[13:20] <TomyWork> plus i already went ahead
[14:14] <zero116> hello ~
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome zero116
[14:15] <zero116> where are you from?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> !chat | zero116
[14:19] <BlitzKrieg> Hello!
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> welcome BlitzKrieg
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you today BlitzKrieg
[14:20] <BlitzKrieg> Basically, Software updater doesn't work, it constantly prompts me to check my internet connection. I've tried changing to the main Ubuntu server, but nothing's working so far.
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> BlitzKrieg: could you pastebin whats happening please?
[14:23] <BlitzKrieg> Er... Meaning? I'm a bit Linux illiterate, I basically just switched to Linux so... Apologies if I get a bit annoying!
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> BlitzKrieg: open a terminal and: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> !pastebin | BlitzKrieg
[14:25] <tenplus1> hi guys... is anyone else having boot issues with the new 5.0 kernel ???
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> BlitzKrieg: this way wa can help you see whats really happening there
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> tenplus1: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[14:26] <tenplus1> I've installed and tested 19.04 alpha and been updating since then, it's worked fine on 4.19 but 5.0 stalls on a black screen (even from flash drive)
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | tenplus1
[14:26] <tenplus1> ah thanks :)
[14:33] <quakenet>  INVITED: Hello I invite you to a great chat service >< IRC quakenet  ORG <<< #philosophy  #DALnet , #NASA , #Freenode , #LOVE
[14:33] <leftyfb> !op | quakenet
[14:34] <leftyfb> quakenet: spamming is offtopic here.
[14:34] <quakenet>  INVITED: Hello I invite you to a great chat service >< IRC quakenet  ORG <<< #philosophy  #DALnet , #NASA , #Freenode , #LOVE
[14:45] <ansyeb> hello. how to start ubuntu-based container with systemd? so that I am able to control services inside through it
[14:45] <leftyfb> ansyeb: try #lxcontainers
[14:46] <OerHeks> updating and google chrome gives an error, again a new key needed? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Wm4tvTfm6y/
[14:49] <OerHeks> i find https://askubuntu.com/questions/1133273/what-to-do-with-keyexpired-1555048520-on-updating-google-chrome-and-earth-reposi
[14:49] <OerHeks> and a possible fix, remove the repo, chrome, and download the deb again? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1133199/the-following-signatures-were-invalid-expkeysig-1397bc53640db551
[14:50] <OerHeks> or is it the switch to https?
[14:51] <qwebirc4556> Hey all! Big issue, I think i added a bad .bashrc commands, and every time i enter to my user the terminal crashes. I've tried using a diffrent tty in roder to skip GUI, same issue, the tty crashes and restart. any ideas?
[14:52] <leftyfb> qwebirc4556: boot into rescue mode and undo your mistake
[14:53] <qwebirc4556> I figured some engine like windows safe mode exists but i could not find info, can you point me a keyword?
[14:53] <Guest90182> m
[14:53] <Guest90182> hi all
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: That's how I have resolved my issues with Google's Chrome repo in the past
[14:54] <leftyfb> qwebirc4556: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode  found when searching for "ubuntu recovery mode"
[14:54] <Guest90182> ho
[14:54] <Guest90182> hi'
[14:54] <qwebirc4556> <3 <leftyfb>  Ty!
[14:54] <leftyfb> Guest90182: hello. How can we help you?
[14:54] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, oke, me too, now this tombola appears again, i installed apt-transport-https, no dice, removed chrome and repo, now installing
[14:55] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think it has to do with https... as much as google just randomly does strange things on their repo. Sometimes it resolves itself after a few hours too
[15:01] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, hmm, i installed a fresh deb, no dice, again this key error
[15:01] <OerHeks> this is ugly, we will get a lot of questions about this
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: let's follow up in -discuss
[15:11] <dbff2> when to prefer an SSH tunnel vs an OpenVPN network
[15:12] <Sven_vB> dbff2, in case you need just a few ports and want them easy.
[15:15] <pragmaticenigma> dbff2: That depends on your use case. If you only need access to specific things, a port forward maybe enough via SSH. If you want to do more with the remote machine (access file shares, web server) as if it was on your local network, A VPN is a better optio
[15:30] <avocado> anyone have trouble with google's signing key today (https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub)?
[15:30] <avocado> one of the subkeys looks expired and i'm having problems pulling versions of chrome in my CI :S
[15:31] <OerHeks> avocado, we know about this, there is no solution yet.
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> avocado: Yes, many people are. Google has not updated their signing key. Please also understand that Google provides it's own software repository. Support here is limited for software repositories not provided by Ubuntu
[15:31] <avocado> OerHeks: pragmaticenigma okay.. good to know i'm not alone
[15:31] <avocado> lol
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> avocado: feel free to join the discussion in #ubuntu-discuss
[15:33] <dbff2> how do I choose if I want to tunnel my internet traffic through VPN on my local machine
[15:33] <dbff2> e.g. I want to be connected to the VPN network
[15:34] <dbff2> but I want to choose if I want to tunnel through it to access the internetzz
[15:35] <leftyfb> dbff2: connect to the vpn. If the vpn is setup properly, that's how it works
[15:36] <pragmaticenigma> dbff2: This channel is for support topic related to the Ubuntu operating system, updates, and configurations. For questions like "which is better" or recommendations, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:41] <dbff2> @pragmaticenigma maybe my question wasn't clear. I am curious how to configure Ubuntu to not tunnel regular traffic through VPN
[15:41] <dbff2> but remain attached to it
[15:41] <dbff2> e.g. I can access <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:42] <leftyfb> dbff2: there should be a setting in your vpn config "use this connection only for resources on its network" under the ipv4 tab
[15:50] <dbff2> thanks boss! leftyfb
[15:55] <van777> !isitoutyet
[16:19] <subcool> what is the filesystem for /boot
[16:19] <EriC^> subcool: ext4 works well
[16:20] <subcool> fat16?
[16:20] <subcool> thanks
[16:20] <subcool> thats the default, - but i thought it was fat 16 or something really basic
[16:20] <dabbill> subcool:  ext2/3/4 what ever you want to run. /boot/EFI needs to be fat
[16:20] <EriC^> subcool: no fat16/32 is usually used for efi partitions (esp)
[16:20] <subcool> cool- thanks.
[16:20] <EriC^> np
[16:46] <jcotton> i beleive the spec specifies fat32 explicitly
[16:48] <jcdutton> Hi. Is there anyone we can ask to fix the google chrome signing key.  It expired today.
[16:50] <hggdh> jcdutton: chrome, or chrmium-browser?
[16:52] <ShakibMT> exit
[16:54] <dStruct> tomreyn: I figured I'd provide some closure on that ethernet issue I was having yesterday.  So I simply disabled the ethernet NICs in the BIOS, booted and it let me install.  Funny thing though I was gearing up to put a USB to Eth adapter on the server when I found after it booted it somehow had the firmware already, even though the installer itself did not.
[16:54] <jcdutton> hggdh, the one here: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[16:54] <hggdh> jcdutton: you will have to contact Google itself. Chrome is released and controlled by them, not by us.
[16:56] <tomreyn> dStruct: oh thats good to know, please add a note on the bug report for others to benefit from your discovery
[16:56] <dStruct> tomreyn: sounds good, thanks again for the help
[16:57] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:04] <dStruct> tomreyn: on bug 1763823, I don't think that's actually my issue, linux-firmware did infact have the firmware, however my issue was it was simply not included in the server boot image, should I submit a new bug?
[17:04] <Guest27404> Greetings, i tried the Ubuntu Budgie live version today to see whether it supports HD videos in the browser. But it didn't
[17:04] <tomreyn> dStruct: yes, i would say so
[17:05] <Guest27404> Should i install and check it or can i find it in the live version itself?
[17:05] <tomreyn> Guest27404: what kind of videos?
[17:06] <tomreyn> which browser?
[17:06] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version?
[17:06] <Guest27404> Videos and movies in streaming site (Prime Video and Netflix), Browser: Firefox and Ubuntu Version 18.04 Budgie
[17:07] <tomreyn> oh so drm stuff, requiring widevine
[17:07] <Guest27404> Yes, DRM was activated, Widevine was installed but still it played in SD
[17:08] <tomreyn> should work on firefox if you checked the 3rd party drivers option during installation
[17:08] <tomreyn> oh ok
[17:08] <Guest27404> Hmm Ok, tomreyn. I am going to install it tomorrow
[17:09] <tomreyn> then i wouldnt know, ask them how to use their streams on your platform
[17:09] <Guest27404> Before that i wanted to know whether there is a solution. Most of the distros failed
[17:09] <tomreyn> no idea, i don't use drm
[17:09] <Guest27404> I asked Amazon and they give a reply saying Linux doesn't Amazon Prime
[17:10] <tomreyn> so you have an answer.
[17:10] <tomreyn> they dont support linux
[17:10] <Guest27404> Oh ok, thanks for the help though tomreyn. Anyone else can fill me with some insights
[17:10] <Guest27404> Yes they don't support Linux and i saw in few forum or thread that users are able to play HD videos
[17:11] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu-offtopic for non supported configurations.
[17:12] <Guest27404> Thanks!
[17:14] <jcdutton> hggdh, I have managed to raise a google security bug. I will see what happens.
[17:16] <qwebirc78372> hi im having trouble with the ubuntu installer
[17:17] <OerHeks> yay, the google chrome key bug disappeared
[17:33] <jack-> if i want to make a system "lighter" - what should i replace first?
[17:34] <jack-> xorg? the DE? something else?
[17:34] <Airee> jack-, what DE do you run?
[17:35] <jack-> MATE, atm
[17:35] <Airee> you typically want to look at replacing that if you run a "heavy" de
[17:35] <jmc> jack-: you can start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:35] <jack-> ok, thx
[17:35] <Airee> MATE is already pretty light. you can look at something like LXDE.
[17:35] <jack-> right - thx
[17:36] <jack-> which browser should i run? firefox/opera/chrome?
[17:37] <Airee> Firefox is what I use. Use what is best for you.
[17:37] <jack-> currently testing all 3 :)
[17:37] <jack-> i like chrome
[17:37] <Airee> jack-, Opera is chromium based w/ more/ features, Chrome is run by too creepy a company for my taste.
[17:37] <jack-> heh
[17:38] <jack-> opera is cool, admitted
[17:38] <Airee> degoogled chromium is also an option, but i wanted to be able to send tabs to my phone
[17:38] <Airee>  so i use firefox
[17:38] <jack-> seems slightly bloated though, compared to chrome
[17:39] <Airee> hm.
[17:39] <Airee> not sure I understand in that regard, but I have a really good system so
[17:39] <Airee> maybe I just don't notice any performance constraints
[17:40] <jack-> maybe :P
[17:47] <Airee> are there any good like
[17:47] <Airee> windows task manager clones for linux
[17:47] <Airee> with a similar table layout
[17:48] <Airee> & nvidia support
[17:50] <Airee> Ohohoho
[17:50] <Airee> "There were 50191 failed login attempts since the last successful login."
[17:50] <Airee> Lovely
[17:52] <jack-> Airee: wow
[17:53] <jack-> freenode?
[17:53] <OerHeks> Airee, standard would be gnome-system-monitor
[17:53] <OerHeks> it is a *good* manager, no other one needed imho
[17:54] <Airee> jack-, on my SSH server
[17:54] <jack-> ouch
[17:55] <lordcirth__> pretty standard for anything with port 22 open
[17:55] <OerHeks> Airee, lolz, geo block some countries like China, Russia..
[17:55] <jack-> did you publish the ip somewhere?
[17:55] <OerHeks> no need to publish your ip, they scan the whole internnets
[17:56] <jack-> Airee_: use ipv6 only :)
[17:56] <teward> Airee: that's not atypical of any thousands of services scanners that hit web-facing SSH ports.  Use key auth only.
[17:56] <jack-> should solve the problem, mostly
[17:57] <lordcirth__> It certainly solves the "scan <IP_ADDRESS>/24" approach, that's for sure :P
[17:58] <jack-> yeah :P
[17:58] <lordcirth__> I also love the fact that my house has a real /64, because why not.
[17:58] <OerHeks> harden ssh, other port, restricted login for certain domain/ip, tons of howto's in the wild
[17:59] <jack-> lordcirth__:  what a waste :)
[17:59] <Airee> teward, I already do
[17:59] <Airee> jack-, that's dumb and impractical
[18:00] <jack-> to go ipv6-only?
[18:00] <Airee> yes
[18:01] <lordcirth__> Note that you don't have to do that for all services, just ssh.
[18:01] <jack-> well...depends on what you really need :)
[18:01] <Airee> I don't have to do it for any services :D
[18:05] <rypervenche> lordcirth__: A /64 (at *least* a /64, I should say) is normal and recommended for an IPv6 network.
[18:05] <lordcirth__> rypervenche, yes, I know. It's just so nice after dealing with NAT.
[18:05] <rypervenche> lordcirth__: Agreed. Back to the way IPv4 used to be.
[18:06] <justthedoctor> im compiling something on ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04 its complaining of /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqrencode i know i have qrencode and qrencode-dev installed,
[18:06] <jack-> :P
[18:06] <justthedoctor> can anyone please help me with this really quick
[18:06] <jack-> (salut, rypervenche)
[18:07] <OerHeks> justthedoctor, tell us what you are compiling, really quick?
[18:07] <lordcirth__> justthedoctor, LD_DEBUG=all make
[18:07] <shivaya> hi holks, i am trying to set up unattented install with debian-installer and I have a line "d-i passwd/make-user boolean false" to skip regular user creation but the installer presents the prompt and won't let me continue without regular user. does anyone know if I need to do something else beside passwd/make-user?
[18:07] <rypervenche> jack-: Hi there. :P
[18:08] <lordcirth__> Oh, actually "ld -lqrencode --verbose" would be better
[18:08] <justthedoctor> OerHeks: i am compiling a crypto currency -qt lordcirth__  i dont know how to apply that,
[18:09] <nacc> justthedoctor: you need libqrencode4 and/or libqrencode-dev
[18:09] <nacc> justthedoctor: probably the latter
[18:09] <justthedoctor> i have both
[18:09] <nacc> justthedoctor: are you possibly building a 32-bit binary or something?
[18:09] <justthedoctor> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/IwjGCmoz/
[18:10] <nacc> justthedoctor: also trusty goes eol in a few months
[18:10] <nacc> justthedoctor: ... wrong paste?
[18:10] <justthedoctor> when i apt-get the -dev or the normal, it says its installed
[18:10] <justthedoctor> im getting a error that says its not there
[18:11] <OerHeks> * eol in less than a month, April 30
[18:11] <nacc> OerHeks: thank you for the correction
[18:11] <justthedoctor> this app is multi os capable, i compiled for windows, compiled for mac and i get this on ubuntu
[18:19] <viju> Hello, I get warning when I login that says something under /etc file/folder not found. Profile will not be configured correctly. You should fix this as soon as feasible.
[18:19] <lordcirth__> viju, we can't really help you without knowing what this "something" is...
[18:20] <viju> I tried to copy the text but it did not copy. It comes as dialog box with nothing available to take the screenshot.
[18:20] <CrayOsicom> Hello ubuntu peeps! I come to you, hat in hand, begging  for help: I cannot get L2TP VPN to work with a sonic wall appliance! Please can you help? I will give you millions and millions of internet points!
[18:20] <leftyfb> viju: there is no error message in linux that says "something under /etc/ file/folder not found". If you'd like help, you need to explain what the exact error message is and where exactly you see it and what you'te doing to cause it. Also what version of ubuntu
[18:21] <viju> Also, the system won't let me logoff.
[18:21] <viju> It just stays there with no error.
[18:22] <viju> I'll have to reboot for that. I'll jot it down on paper and come back.
[18:22] <CrayOsicom> I've tried many many things over the course of several days now, and it completes phase1 negotiations and then just immediately craps out and disconnects. No reason given and no meaningful error message! Can anyone help?
[18:23] <lordcirth__> CrayOsicom, do you have L2TP working on some other system?
[18:23] <CrayOsicom> Yes, the l2tp works great in windows and macOS
[18:23] <CrayOsicom> And I can l2tp to my windows RRAS based L2TP vpn, on ubuntu
[18:23] <CrayOsicom> But not the sonicwall :(
[18:25] <viju> leftyfb, lordcirth__ https://pastebin.com/Qd2m7Lf4   This happened again while I was attempting to logoff. I'm on ubuntu 18 LTS
[18:25] <leftyfb> CrayOsicom: Tried specifying the algorithms in your vpn settings?
[18:25] <CrayOsicom> @lordcirth__ here's the pastebin: https://pastebin.com/PiqW1BBs
[18:26] <lordcirth__> viju, ok, please pastebin /etc/profile
[18:26] <thomas-pc2> Hey question here -- I've added a PPA and installed a bunch of Qemu/Kvm related packages. I can see Qemu 3.1 in the PPA list, but it will only install 2.12. How can I force 3.1? (I opted to try this repository vs compiling for now)
[18:26] <leftyfb> viju: looks like you tried editing your /etc/profile and pasted something in you shouldn't have
[18:26] <lordcirth__> and /usr/share/im-config/data/21_ibus.rc
[18:26] <thomas-pc2> PPA is https://launchpad.net/~jacob/+archive/ubuntu/virtualisation
[18:27] <viju> leftyfb, I think I've added some lines for java home
[18:28] <viju> I'll paste it give me a few minutes
[18:28] <lordcirth__> thomas-pc2, PPA's aren't really supported here. However, that PPA has packages for multiple Ubuntu versions; if you are on 18.04, that may be the problem.
[18:28] <leftyfb> CrayOsicom: for instance, I have to specify: Phase 1: 3des-sha1-modp1024 ; Phase 2: 3des-sha1
[18:28] <lordcirth__> 3des??
[18:28] <thomas-pc2> yes i am on ubuntu 18.04. im unsure why that creates a problem, can you que me in?
[18:28] <thomas-pc2> queue*
[18:28] <CrayOsicom> @leftyfb yes, I have specified aes128-sha1-modp1024 and aes128-sha1
[18:29] <CrayOsicom> @leftyfb I also tried the 3des-sha1-modp1024 etc
[18:29] <thomas-pc2> and awknowledged about the PPAs, i will limit my questions in the future
[18:29] <lordcirth__> thomas-pc2, I thought perhaps he had only packaged 3.1 for 18.10, but it seems that's not the case.
[18:29] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: https://launchpad.net/~jacob/+archive/ubuntu/virtualisation?field.series_filter=bionic
[18:29] <viju> leftyfb, here https://pastebin.com/GATZhTsD
[18:29] <lordcirth__> Oh, nvrm, I was right. thomas-pc2 yes, if you see leftyfb's link, you'll see what I mean
[18:30] <viju> lordcirth__, https://pastebin.com/GATZhTsD
[18:30] <Sharkface419> Hey friends
[18:30] <CrayOsicom> lordcirth__: I've tried both 3des and aes128, changing as appropriate on the sonicwall
[18:30] <Sharkface419> So, I'm trying to dual boot my machine as a windows 10/ubuntu machine. I'm super 100% new to this. I've got my live USB, secure boot off, booting in legacy mode, tried the install, OEM install, and the trial and it's working. It's like the install just stops. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[18:30] <thomas-pc2> oh, i was completely unaware there was a dropdown for versions
[18:30] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, at what stage does it stop?
[18:31] <thomas-pc2> let me see if it was added to my source list properly. one moment
[18:31] <leftyfb> viju: first, you need to stick $ in front of those variables you're trying to export
[18:31] <lordcirth__> thomas-pc2, the point is that if you add the bionic ppa, you'll only get 2.12
[18:32] <Sharkface419> Lordcirth__, so I try to boot from the USB, it gives me the install options, you know try without installing, install, and OEM install
[18:32] <Sharkface419> Tried all of them
[18:32] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: do not add a PPA specifying a version of ubuntu newer than what you're running. That's not how they're meant to work
[18:32] <CrayOsicom> leftyfb: any other suggestions?
[18:32] <thomas-pc2> oh i see...would adding cosmic circumvent that?
[18:32] <lordcirth__> thomas-pc2, well, as you are not running cosmic, that could break things.
[18:32] <leftyfb> CrayOsicom: nope. VPN is black magic
[18:32] <thomas-pc2> oh, you already answered that thought, ok.
[18:32] <Sharkface419> It brings up the ubuntu screen for a bit and then goes back to the previous screen and does nothing
[18:32] <viju> leftyfb, did you mean export $JAVA or before that?
[18:33] <leftyfb> viju: correct
[18:33] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, it goes back to the "try or install" select?
[18:33] <Sharkface419> No
[18:33] <CrayOsicom> leftyfb: well that's a bummer. did you see my pastebin logs? Maybe something jumps out at you?
[18:33] <Sharkface419> Its a screen with a bunch of shit that I don't understand
[18:33] <thomas-pc2> what would you suggest for me getting Qemu 3.1 installed properly via apt? i need the SMT support for my ryzen chip
[18:33] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, you'll need to be more specific :P
[18:33] <leftyfb> viju: though, you should just be doing something like: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/lib/jdk1.8.0_91
[18:33] <Sharkface419> I'll fully admit that I'm probably in way over my head
[18:34] <thomas-pc2> i'm not sure if asking a qemu question is outside of the scope of what is covered in this channel
[18:34] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, did it have [ OK ] lines like this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Systemd-on-fedora.png
[18:35] <thomas-pc2> may i also ask how you were able to instantaniously tell that the qemu 3.1 wasn't available for bionic
[18:35] <lordcirth__> thomas-pc2, by choosing bionic and looking
[18:35] <thomas-pc2> so i can understand better when viewing ppa's via that website
[18:35] <lordcirth__> !pm | Sharkface419
[18:36] <thomas-pc2> oh i understand, i didn't scan the page after selecting. understood.
[18:36] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, and if it's long, use a pastebin.
[18:36] <thomas-pc2> dang, cosmic has the 3.1. maybe qemu 3.1 is dependent on cosmic then? i wanted to stay LTS, but I could upgrade for that...i don't see why not.
[18:37] <thomas-pc2> interesting stuff
[18:37] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: run cosmic in a container
[18:37] <Sharkface419> lordcirth__, it says unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[18:37] <Guest90182> hi
[18:37] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, this is a live USB? Try rebooting it, and in the first menu, run the self-checksum
[18:37] <thomas-pc2> leftyfb running cosmic in docker?
[18:37] <lordcirth__> Guest90182, hello
[18:38] <Sharkface419> Above that it also says device not accepting address 2, error _62
[18:38] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: lxd
[18:38] <Sharkface419> ....what?
[18:38] <viju> leftyfb, the error is gone but I still cannot logout.
[18:38] <leftyfb> viju: reboot
[18:38] <viju> Oka
[18:38] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, in the first menu that the live USB gives you, there should be an option to self-verify
[18:39] <Sharkface419> Check disk for defects?
[18:39] <viju> Thanks though. I have been here using ubuntu for a little over a decade but struggle like a grandma
[18:39] <Guest90182> screen -S chat1
[18:39] <thomas-pc2> leftyfb interesting. if you could potentially point me to a good doc to get me primed on this, i could give it some research time and get familiar
[18:39] <lordcirth__> Sharkface419, yeah, that
[18:39] <Sharkface419> Okay
[18:39] <Sharkface419> It's doing the thing
[18:40] <lordcirth__> Yup. so it will look for any errors that happened while downloading or writing the image. That's usually the first thing to check.
[18:40] <Sharkface419> Aaaaand I'm at a purple screen displaying the ubuntu logo and a loading icon???
[18:40] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxd.html.en # first result on google for "ubuntu lxd"
[18:40] <Guest90182> screen -r
[18:40] <Sharkface419> Wth
[18:40] <lordcirth__> Guest90182, this is a IRC channel, not a terminal. running commands here isn't going to work.
[18:41] <Sharkface419> Unable to find live file system
[18:41] <Guest90182> ho can i open new screen on irc
[18:41] <Guest90182> excuse me im new here
[18:42] <lordcirth__> Guest90182, depends, what IRC client are you using?  Though LXD isn't as much of a hypervisor as the rest
[18:43] <lordcirth__> Guest90182, or in irssi, /help
[18:44] <thomas-pc2> i've passed through my GeForce 1070 and a USB group, setup hugepages, all sorts of stuff to rock n roll a windows installation
[18:44] <Guest90182> thank you
[18:47] <thomas-pc2> dang.
[18:47] <thomas-pc2> i'm going to opt out of an additional layer for now
[18:48] <thomas-pc2> potentially i should just upgrade to cosmic....but maybe i should create a new lvm snapshot and give compiling a go.
[18:48] <thomas-pc2> the easability of apt is appealing. ugh.
[18:48] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: you REALLY should just give lxd a try. It'll take like 5 minutes to get it running with qemu installed
[18:49] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: lxc launch ubuntu:18.10 mycontainername
[18:49] <thomas-pc2> i was just coming across that in the docs. it seems to be very streamlined.
[18:50] <leftyfb> thomas-pc2: sudo snap install lxd. Then run the above command, and within a minute or two you'll have cosmic running
[18:52] <thomas-pc2> very cool
[18:52] <thomas-pc2> leftyfb i'll give it a whirl. thanks
[18:52] <thomas-pc2> i'll be back
[18:54] <CrayOsicom> ANY VPN EXPERTS out there--- cannot get L2TP VPN to work with Ubuntu
[18:54] <viju> leftyfb, I think the issue is with one more file https://pastebin.com/jdG4wDzZ   this file /usr/bin/ibus-daemon  doesn't exist
[18:54] <viju> what would you do to solve this?
[18:54] <leftyfb> viju: I would undo whatever changes you made to cause this
[18:55] <viju> I wouldn't know about display managers or ibus daemon
[18:55] <ralarX> a 16.04 > 18.04 upgrade brought me some problems, one being that after boot and login, it's like an empty screen except for taskbar but even the latter no text at all, yet when hovering the mouse the pointer changes shape alike it's all there, but it's like blind selecting and I can only push reset to try a next boot. Sometimes 3 such boots to finally get a normal interface all visible.
[18:55] <leftyfb> viju: I'm pretty sure those are just symptoms of an unrelated issue
[18:56] <ioria> viju, you mean you don't have a /usr/bin/ibus-daemon ?
[18:56] <viju> Could be I have installed 4-5 desktops and I am not sure what things are enabled or disabled. It pretty much used to breakdown nearly everyday
[18:56] <viju> Yes, I don't find the file with that name
[18:57] <ioria> viju, dpkg -l  ibus
[18:58] <viju> Reinst required
[18:58] <viju> I'll paste everything
[18:58] <ioria> wierd
[18:59] <viju> ioria, https://pastebin.com/r1EtTJ65
[18:59] <ioria> viju, has been removed ....
[19:00] <viju> What do I do now?
[19:00] <ioria> but why ?
[19:00] <viju> I am sure I didn't remove. I don't even know what it does
[19:00] <ioria> viju, afaik, only Mate does not use it
[19:01] <ioria> viju, using Mate ?
[19:01] <viju> Yes, it must be there - I have ubuntu/classic/xfce/mate/kde/lubuntu/lxde
[19:02] <ioria> yep
[19:02] <ioria> viju, try to change ibus withXIM in Language Settings
[19:02] <ioria> viju, try to change ibus with  XIM in Language Settings
[19:03] <ioria> viju, Keyboard Input  Method
[19:04] <viju> language support?
[19:04] <ioria> viju, really depends on your DE... but yes
[19:04] <viju> right now I am on lxde
[19:04] <viju> and I dont see anything like ibus on language support
[19:04] <ioria> viju, should be the same
[19:05] <viju> Got something like XIM
[19:05] <ioria> viju, from terminal run   /usr/bin/gnome-language-selector
[19:05] <ioria> viju, yeah
[19:05] <viju> So now keyboard method system is changed to XIM
[19:05] <viju> What else?
[19:05] <ioria> viju, nothing else
[19:06] <ioria> viju, logout /in
[19:06] <viju> Ok, I am doing that
[19:06] <viju> Thanks
[19:09] <wysiwyg31> Hi !
[19:09] <lordcirth__> wysiwyg31, hello
[19:10] <wysiwyg31> I have some trouble with a bluetooth mouse....maybe somebody can help? :)
[19:10] <lordcirth__> !ask | wysiwyg31
[19:11] <wysiwyg31> ok :)
[19:12] <viju> ioria, the error is gone thanks. Well I do have another problem I mentioned earlier that is I cannot logout. But maybe I'll give you guys a break
[19:12] <viju> I'll ask tomorrow or next week.
[19:12] <viju> Thanks
[19:12] <ioria> viju, ok
[19:12] <sere_> hello all
[19:12] <wysiwyg31> I have a lenovo yoga mouse (dual mode: usb dongle or bluetooth); usb dongle work fine but bluetooth mode is slow and laggy....I discovered with a tool (evhz) that polling is very slow in bluetooth (22Hz, while most mouse are 125Hz or higher)...bluetooth pairing seems to works well....only polling is too slow.
[19:13] <ioria> viju, technically, would be better reinstall ibus and use only Mate  with 'XIM'
[19:14] <viju> sudo apt-get install ibus-daemon ?
[19:14] <ioria> viju, nope, ibus
[19:18] <CrayOsicom> leftyfb: I solved the problem by switching from Strongswan to libreswan
[19:18] <CrayOsicom> lordcirth__: I solved the vpn problem by switching from Strongswan to libreswan
[19:22] <wysiwyg31> !patience
[19:24] <lordcirth__> CrayOsicom, cool
[19:35] <asta> hi guys
[19:36] <asta> i can't conect wifi Intel centrino-N 6235 lubuntu 18.04.2
[19:36] <asta> can help?
[19:36] <jack-> hi asta
[19:36] <asta> jack-: hi bro
[19:37] <jack-> not sure :)
[19:37] <asta> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Tj8b88NPQJ/
[19:39] <asta> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hs3s4vqKMP/
[19:40] <jack-> i'm using wifi too, but i have no idea
[19:40] <asta> jack-: thanks bro
[19:40] <jack-> as if i was helpful
[19:41] <jack-> sigh :P
[19:42] <OerHeks>  some users have found disabling 802.11n is the only way to get a stable connection with some of these Intel Centrino N https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/533134-WIFI-Connection-Drops-Intel-Centrino-Advanced-N-6235-AGN?s=d085f16f5ad6fc80c3172810815f9322&p=2880719#post2880719
[19:42] <OerHeks> and see 'slow wifi when using bluetooth'  https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
[19:43] <OerHeks> options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 ## this disables N, sadly, but it should fix
[19:44] <asta> be back
[19:45] <asta> try default kernel 4.18-0.15 not work
[19:45] <asta> try to kernel 4.18-0.17
[19:45] <asta> :-(
[19:46] <asta> any help https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hs3s4vqKMP/
[19:46] <jack-> eek
[19:46] <jack-> good luck :P
[19:46] <asta> rsrs
[19:47] <asta> Lenovo l440
[19:51] <OerHeks> asta,  some users have found disabling 802.11n is the only way to get a stable connection with some of these Intel Centrino N https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/533134-WIFI-Connection-Drops-Intel-Centrino-Advanced-N-6235-AGN?s=d085f16f5ad6fc80c3172810815f9322&p=2880719#post2880719
[19:51] <OerHeks> and see 'slow wifi when using bluetooth'  https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
[19:51] <OerHeks> options iwlwifi bt_coex_active=0 swcrypto=1 11n_disable=8 ## this disables N, sadly, but it should fix
[19:57] <asta> OerHeks: i try. thanks
[20:07] <sere_> anyone know how to install quake3 on 18.04
[20:08] <OerHeks> !info quake3
[20:09] <OerHeks> and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/QuakeIIIArena
[20:09] <OerHeks> sere you did not search for it, really
[20:10] <sere_> actauly i did but i had it installed correctly but was only getting 55 fps for some reason
[20:10] <OerHeks> maybe that is the limits of your GPU?
[20:11] <RobinHood2019> APT package `adobe-flashplugin` isn't working with my Chromium snap package.
[20:12] <OerHeks> RobinHood2019, known issue, see the 1st answer for the fix .. https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-chromium-cant-see-flash-plugin-in-usr-lib/5380
[20:13] <OerHeks> and flash plugin soon dies, so no need to file a bugreport :-D
[20:21] <RobinHood2019> It makes me sad to know that there are still websites out there that just will not accept that Flash is a lame duck.
[20:22] <analogical> why isn't GUFW installed in Ubuntu by default??
[20:23] <OerHeks> analogical, it is a choice, i agree it helps a lot of users
[20:23] <analogical> a modern OS needs a firewall built in
[20:23] <jack-> but still a personal decision
[20:24] <jack-> some people just don't like or need any fw
[20:24] <OerHeks> the firewall part *is* buildin, it is just how you want to control the settings
[20:25] <RobinHood2019> all you need do is type `sudo ufw enable` at the terminal, then `sudo ufw status verbose`. The critical line you're looking for starts with "Default: deny (incoming)," etc.
[20:27] <OerHeks> sudo ufw enable && sudo ufw logging on; sudo ufw default deny incoming; sudo ufw default allow outgoing .. and a lot more https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-a-firewall-with-ufw-on-ubuntu-18-04
[20:28] <analogical> that's the problem right there you shouldn't have to use the terminal to configure the firewall
[20:29] <RobinHood2019> 0erHeks, I think most of it only applies to servers and so forth
[20:31] <OerHeks> analogical, welcome to the linux world of choice and freedom
[20:31] <OerHeks> there is a reason why the UFW is not enabled by default, to make deployment much easier
[20:31] <analogical> OerHeks, you mean no choice
[20:32] <analogical> at least concerning GUFW
[20:36] <hashfastr> poop poop
[20:41] <leonardus> Whenever I plug my phone into my computer, and set the USB mode to "File Transfer" my computer locks up for 10-15 seconds. Anyone know what could be going on here?
[20:43] <hashfastr> you need to unlock your computer
[20:45] <OerHeks> .. and unlock phone, perhaps?
[20:45] <leonardus> I meant it freezes, not locks
[20:45] <leonardus> phone and computer are both unlocked
[20:45] <JimBuntu> time to check dmesg
[20:45] <OerHeks> maybe it takes 15 sec to connect properly?
[20:46] <leonardus> JimBuntu: https://gist.github.com/leonardus/481435a66cedd9e163ef6eedd4e1c9ed
[20:47] <JimBuntu> leonardus, that shows a USB disconnect while it was setting up and a 6 second lock up. Please try with a different USB Root hub... such as the back ports instead of the front
[20:47] <leonardus> oh, I was using the usb port on my monitor
[20:49] <JimBuntu> leonardus, not sure if it's the same thing/cause, but I am plagued by this with one of my root hubs and an android phone... seems to work fine if I use a different root hub.
[20:53] <Vic3> Hello Ubuntu 14.04 LTS desktop ... I did long overdue apt-get upgrade while not watching ... the machine seemingly wanted to reboot and did so but the grub prompt came up ... how difficult is it likely going to be to get my machine to boot again?
[20:53] <Vic3> and PLEASE no EoL comments - I am well aware!
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: Very difficult, hopefully you've made a backup of your data prior to the upgrade?
[20:56] <Vic3> pragmaticenigma - no backup but when using a Ubuntu CD I can read the disk completely ... so if I need to backup first, well ... it will be a pain, but it can be done.
[20:56] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: I think it would be a good idea to do that backup now. While you still have a chance at recovering your vital files and settings.
[20:56] <Vic3> So it is not as simple as simply rewriting the boot sector
[20:57] <Vic3> Ok, that sounds very pragmatic. (sorry) :)
[20:57] <hggdh> Vic3: it may, or may not. All we know is you got thrown to grub
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: I'm not certain it's the boot sector. Seeing grub means that the boot sector is fine (that's where grub lives if I'm not mistaken)... If I had to guess either entries were not added to the kernel to grub during the upgrade, or the images are not there.
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> Personally on my EOL upgrades, I just back-up home, etc, opt, and a few select directories from /var. Then wipe the system and start over. I know it doesn't work for everyone.
[20:59] <Vic3> yeah ... grub command line comes up and when trying to boot - no boot sector found (no OS found).  Somone here the other night linked me to a system recovery iso, but I am clueless as to how to use it.  I did run the testdisk within that iso and it complained that my main partition size was fubared ... but like I said, I can access it seeminglt just fine.
[21:01] <OerHeks> i understand your hdd gives bad blocks?
[21:01] <Vic3> I was actually just doing a package upgrade ... since it is so close to EoL I wanted to get it done.  I wish now that I hadn't even messed with it.
[21:01] <Vic3> 0erHeks -- I have no idea ... it indicates that the size of the partition extends past the end of the drive ... totally odd.
[21:02] <jack> that sounds broken-ish ;)
[21:02] <Vic3> pragmaticenigma ... I am not seeing the grub screen per se.  I am getting a grub command line.
[21:03] <OerHeks> that hardly happens, unless there are bits tumbling in the mbr part
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: Sounds like to me that setup didn't complete properly. Getting to grub means the computer is finding the boot sector and booting. The grub prompt means no kernel images were setup for grub to load
[21:03] <Vic3> "bits tumbling in the mbr part" ? ELI5, please.
[21:04] <OerHeks> i wonder if bootrepair can fix that  ,, i guess not actually https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:04] <Vic3> Yeah that makes perfect sense pragmaticenigma .... so how do I add a kernal image?
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: That's above my skill level. For that, my approach would be to back important stuff up. and install fresh.
[21:06] <Vic3> Reasonable ... appreciated.
[21:06] <Vic3> So any recommendation of a full disk backup utility? :p
[21:07] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: Even if you were to successfully get it to boot, you'd be running your system in a constant state of needing attention. Think about what happens with the next kernel update, is it going to do this again or stay in perpetual usage of the old kernel.
[21:07] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: While recommendations aren't something this channel specializes in. I personally use Clonezilla for a full disk backup.
[21:08] <Vic3> Yeah.  I hate to upgrade as I have one piece of software that I use that does not function properly with newer versions of the OS.
[21:08] <Vic3> But it is time. :(
[21:08] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: Clonezilla makes a full disk (or partition) image to be restored from. In your use case, I think getting yourself a Live installer ISO booted and manually backing up is going to do the best job. Once you're done backing up, then you can go right into the installer
[21:09] <Vic3> Ahh yeah, that would be preferable (other than the manual part) but it is what it is.
[21:09] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: What software do you use that's pinned to that particular ubuntu or kernel release?
[21:11] <Vic3> Here is my issue ... and I was never able to solve it ... I have a flash application which I open several instances of.  In Ubuntu 14 I get ONE icon in the taskbar which I can hover over and select any of the 14 copies of it running ... in 16 I get 14 freaking taskbar buttons!
[21:12] <Vic3> The advice to use (I don't remember names now as it has been months) a specific utility did not ever work as there was no proper data returned.
[21:13] <pragmaticenigma> Vic3: Interesting, hopefully with 18.04 that might have been resolved
[21:16] <Vic3> If I am going to have to do all of this .. I certainly will install 18.04 first and see if it has been fixed. :)
[21:17] <Vic3> Sorry I don't remember the proper terms to have been more precise.  I know that can be maddening in your shoes.
[21:17] <Vic3> Thanks for your input! :)
[21:19] <Hassan> hey leftyfb look at that https://imgur.com/gallery/DHw5ASy
[21:26] <OerHeks> Hassan, looks like the drive is not mounted in /media/  ??
[21:27] <hggdh> or it is read-only
[21:28] <Hassan> i tried every thing with the chmod
[21:28] <Hassan> what should i do
 if there is any msg before this plz resend it i was out
[21:30] <OerHeks> open terminal; mount # and see if that drive is mounted, and how: rw or ro
[21:32] <Hassan> mount: dev/sda3: can't find in /etc/fstab.
[21:41] <peter22222> hi guys.. can anybody help me install a printer driver? I dont really know what to do with this files... https://www.toshibatec.eu/support/drivers/SearchDriver?searchString=e-STUDIO5508A
[22:06] <Dice> Hello. I get the status "active (exited)" on a systemd status command for tor which has a daemon. Here is the .service file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNxTV5SXD6/
[22:07] <Dice> How do I fix this?
[22:15] <tomreyn> peter22222: i suggest yo set it up with its ip address, the lpr/lpd protocol, and the e-studio 5500c foomatic/pxlcolor driver
[22:16] <peter22222> ok thank you.. that might work...
[22:16] <tomreyn> peter22222: you can do so at http://localhost:631/admin - login with your ubuntu users' credentials (localhost is your own computer)
[22:17] <tomreyn> this is just a guess, i never actually worked with these
[22:19] <tomreyn> Dice: is there a reason you don't just use Tor as provided by Ubuntu or the Tor project?
[22:19] <tomreyn> either provide it via apt
[22:19] <Dice> the package is outdated, I compiled it from source
[22:20] <tomreyn> The Tor projects packages are outdated?
[22:20] <Dice> the apt-get version
[22:20] <Dice> so I compiled it from source
[22:20] <tomreyn> please re-read what i wrote.
[22:20] <Dice> I downloaded it from tor and compiled it from source
[22:21] <Dice> so it is provided by the tor project
[22:21] <tomreyn> these are usually not outdated https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[22:22] <Dice> I used the latest version as provided by tor
[22:22] <tomreyn> sure, you can build from source, too. but that's outside of what we support here (also third party repositories are normally)
[22:22] <Dice> I've already done it, I'm asking about the systemd file
[22:23] <tomreyn> this also applies to "making self-built software work" ;-)
[22:23] <Dice> it's an ubuntu question
[22:23] <tomreyn> there's #ubuntu-offtopic and ##linux
[22:23] <leftyfb> Dice: if you install the package properly, you'll get a systemd file
[22:23] <Dice> not about a specific software
[22:24] <leftyfb> Dice: if you install the package properly, you'll get a completely functional systemd statup file that runs immediately after installing
[22:24] <leftyfb> startup*
[22:24] <Dice> this does not seem to give me a systemd startup file anyway
[22:24] <leftyfb> Dice: install using this: https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en
[22:24] <leftyfb> Dice: sudo apt install tor
[22:28] <Dice> leftyfb: doesn't work, my solution worked better
[22:35] <leftyfb> Dice: if "sudo apt install tor" doesn't work for you, you have other problems not related to tor.
[22:36] <Dice> I got it to work. Same problem with the systemd file though
[22:36] <Dice>  Active: active (exited)
[22:36] <leftyfb> ok?
[22:36] <leftyfb> ps -ef |grep tor
[22:36] <leftyfb> it should be running
[22:36] <leftyfb> oh wait, you need to configure it
[22:38] <plady> Hi. I am trying to install a program, catt, and the installation instructions say to use pip install catt, and i installed pip and ran the command, it seemed to install find but when i try to run catt it cant find the program. I'm not using to using the pip program so I don't know if that has something to do with it but can anyone help?
[22:49] <plady> I downloaded the zip from github and am trying to run the setup script even though the readme says to install it by pip, but once again when i try to install by pip it says it goes fine but the program is nowhere to be found. any help?
[22:53] <Sleaker> plady: you're probably missed adding a directory to your path
[22:54] <OerHeks> chromecast .. you need to be logged in i guess https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/05/command-line-chromecast-player-catt.html
[22:54] <Sleaker> if mlocate is installed, run updatedb and then locatel catt
[22:55] <OerHeks> https://github.com/skorokithakis/catt
[22:55] <Sleaker> right, but if 'catt' isn't on his path it wont do anything.
[22:55] <Sleaker> probably cause path doesn't include the python3/bin directory or similar.
[22:55] <OerHeks> pip3 install --user catt # the first url says..
[22:56] <Sleaker> ahh
[22:56] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:56] <leftyfb> it goes beyond that
[22:56]  * Sleaker shrugs.
[22:56] <Sleaker> they left
[22:57] <Sleaker> heh on that first link the very first step talks about setting up the path properly.
[22:57] <leftyfb> it won't help
[22:57] <leftyfb> first, it says to install using pip3 and --user , which I doubt they did
[22:57] <leftyfb> then
[22:57] <leftyfb> $ python3 /home/leftyfb/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/catt
[22:57] <leftyfb>  /usr/bin/python3: can't find '__main__' module in '/home/leftyfb/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/catt'
[22:58] <Sleaker> ah broken install or something right now?
[22:58] <leftyfb> no idea, not worth my time
[22:58] <Sleaker> agree
[23:00] <Airee> anyone been able to get degoogled-chromium working?
[23:01] <leftyfb> Airee: that isn't a support question. But also, that's not a supported application here.
[23:02] <Airee> OK.
[23:03] <OerHeks> *degoogled*-chromium ?
[23:04] <leftyfb> https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
[23:04] <leftyfb> tin-foil-hat stuff
[23:04] <OerHeks> that sounds like a pleonasm
[23:09] <NginUS> Has anyone ever wound up with an entire directory's contents duplicated as a hidden file somehow?
[23:10] <leftyfb> NginUS: that isn't a support question
[23:11] <leftyfb> NginUS: what do you need help with exactly?
[23:11] <OerHeks> the somehow part is interesting, what did you do?
[23:11] <alien64> He copied a dir into a file lol
[23:12] <alien64> Drag and drop mistake?
[23:13] <Dice> Now I have this odd issue where I cannot find the systemd file. It says it's in /etc/system/systemd, but it isn't
[23:13] <Dice> nano'ing the exact file it says exsits gives "No such file"
[23:13] <Dice> Also, the service file is still somehow broken and has to be stopped and then restarted to work
[23:13] <NginUS> Been running backups from inside a Windows VM, through a samba share. Just found its logs showing files starting with ".~lock." & ending with "#" & when I look in my file manager with "show hidden" I now have 2x the number of iles there, all having been duplicated hidden like that. Screenshot: https://files.catbox.moe/z5usmc.png
[23:14] <leftyfb> Dice: type: "which tor"
[23:16] <Dice> leftyfb: /usr/sbin/tor
[23:16] <Airee> Dice, do you mean /etc/systemd/system?
[23:16] <Dice> Airee: yes
[23:16] <Dice> whatever is the correct one is the one I mean because I copy pasted it
[23:16] <Airee> Dice, well /etc/system/systemd is not a thing
[23:17] <Dice> I know
[23:17] <Airee> what systemd file specifically are you talking about?
[23:17] <Dice> tor.service
[23:17] <leftyfb> Dice: /lib/systemd/system/tor.service
[23:17] <Dice> locate tor.service gives me a file that does not exist
[23:18] <Dice> leftyfb: that's not right, apparently it's a broken file that should just be deleted
[23:18] <leftyfb> Dice: what version of ubuntu?
[23:18] <Dice> which I did, and now I can start it manually
[23:18] <Dice> it does not autostart though
[23:18] <Dice> It's ubuntu 18.04
[23:20] <OerHeks> systemctrl enable tor.service or something like that
[23:20] <NginUS> Seems they were all created the same day I was tinkering with rclone.
[23:20] <Dice> OerHeks: no, that gives an error
[23:20] <Dice> there's also an old tor installation that is apparently still running
[23:20] <Dice> I don't know where it is
[23:21] <leftyfb> Dice: I'm on Ubuntu 18.04, I just ran "sudo apt install tor", it installed and is running just fine
[23:21] <Dice> leftyfb: that's an outdated version
[23:21] <leftyfb> Dice: sounds like either you're still running from your compiled version or you didn't remove it properly or it screwed something up
[23:21] <leftyfb> Dice: it works just fine
[23:21] <Dice> yes it works
[23:21] <Dice> but it's insecure according to tor
[23:22] <leftyfb> Dice: we do not support their tarball. You'll need to seek support from them
[23:22] <Dice> leftyfb: I think I'm still using my outdated version, the same one installed
[23:22] <Dice> I need to know how to remove it from ubuntu
[23:22] <Dice> the same one you installed*
[23:23] <leftyfb> Dice: sudo apt remove --purge tor
[23:23] <leftyfb> that is how you uninstall it
[23:24] <Dice> I guess now I just reinstall the entire thing
[23:53] <Dice> "apr 13 01:47:02 lunarmerlin Tor[2022]: Error creating directory /etc/folder/newfolder/: Permission denied" this happens after systemd start. How do I figure out which user I need to give permission? "Locate" only gives me files that do not exist


[00:07] <eydaimon> hi is there any reason I'd see "Unit waiting to bootstrap" while running `juju status` when the node is booted and fully working? Why would it report its waiting to bootstrap ?
[00:11] <pmatulis> eydaimon, what version of juju is that? i've never seen that before
[00:15] <eydaimon> 2.8.8-bionic-amd64
[00:16] <pmatulis> maybe try: 'juju controllers --refresh', then 'juju status' ?
[00:17] <pmatulis> otherwise i would file a bug
[00:17] <eydaimon> still the same
[00:17] <eydaimon> is this a reasonable version of juju ? I just started looknig and it isnt my setqup
[00:18] <pmatulis> yeah, 2.8.8 is the latest stable
[00:19] <pmatulis> see 'snap info juju'
[00:19] <eydaimon> thanks man, I posted on discourse. maybe someone there will know
[00:19] <pmatulis> welcome
[00:19] <eydaimon> snap. i've never heard of this before. is this a debian based thing ?
[00:20] <pmatulis> more like an ubuntu thing
[00:20] <pmatulis> see https://snapcraft.io/docs
[00:20] <eydaimon> hmmm. ok. I just checked /etc/debian_version and since there wa sa such a file, assumed it's debian as opposed to ubuntu. Although I remember ubuntu is based on debian, I expected it to be more clear
[00:22] <pmatulis> what backing cloud are you using?
[00:23] <eydaimon> openstack you mean ?
[00:27] <pmatulis> you created a controller for openstack? then, yes, openstack is the backing cloud
[00:29] <pmatulis> i see your discoursian post. i misunderstood. i thought the "waiting to bootstrap" was referring to the creation of the controller (bootstrap command)
[00:31] <pmatulis> what series (ubuntu release) is running on those containers?
[00:32] <eydaimon> sid/buster
[00:34] <pmatulis> output of: `juju ssh mysql/0 lsb_release -c` ?
[00:52] <eydaimon> Codename:       bionic
[01:35] <pmatulis> k
[01:37] <pmatulis> a typical deployment should look like: 'juju deploy -n 3 --config min-cluster-size=3 percona-cluster'
[01:38] <pmatulis> you'd then need to set up HA
[01:38] <pmatulis> see: https://opendev.org/openstack/charm-percona-cluster/src/branch/master/README.md
[01:49] <eydaimon> it was setup and working apparently but after some trouble they had, they restarted everything, and it was giving that message
[01:59] <pmatulis> please read:
[01:59] <pmatulis> https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/charm-deployment-guide/latest/app-managing-power-events.html#percona-cluster
[02:18] <eydaimon> thank you
[16:05] <pmatulis> eydaimon, any luck?
[16:25] <manadart> achilleasa: Gonna QA your patch in a minute. If you or hml have time, this is a forward merge of 2.8 - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12632.
[16:32] <achilleasa> manadart: any particular issue with the bundlechanges/applicationoffers conflicts? Looks like you kept the 2.9 ones
[16:34] <manadart> achilleasa: No, I just nuked the 2.8 section and it all settled fine.
[16:35] <achilleasa> manadart: cool; some things got relocated in 2.9 so just wanted to doublecheck
[21:21] <eydaimon> pmatulis: not et. I will have to check later. thanks
[21:44] <pmatulis> eydaimon, let's continue this on the Juju user forum (Discourse). you will most likely need to provide more details and context for others to understand


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