[00:11] <lubuntu> boa note
[00:37] <impermanence4> is there any way to have a script still register keyboard input even if the window is minimized or similar?
[00:38] <impermanence4> I asked in bash but they told me to come here
[00:50] <ravage> that is called malware/keylogger
[00:56] <impermanence4> haha
[00:57] <impermanence4> yeah I guess that would be one way
[00:57] <guiverc> impermanence4, you've not said what Ubuntu product you're using, but what will have control of the keyboard will be determined by whatever is running (desktop its usually the active window), or if SysRq etc that will be handled by kernel etc
[00:57] <impermanence4> desktop 20.04
[00:58] <guiverc> if using Wayland very likely not; Xorg has lower security (why remote desktop is easy with xorg) but that would need to be setup to allow for it I'd bet
[01:14] <MuXtraCrdit> Reese Wilkerson Does Edna Skilton - Malcolm in the Middle Season 8 Episode 1  Barely legal and after his graduation, Reese Wilkerson is at Bovina Fields Mall in Star City shopping for new jeans where he runs into Edna Skilton from Regina, Saskatchewan, who is in town for a body art convention. They hit it off and get jiggy with it later in Reese's bedroom where his shit is hot pocketed into her panochota!
[01:14] <MuXtraCrdit> https://justpaste.it/Reese_Fucks_Edna_Skilton_Malcolm
[01:15] <lotuspsychje> not here please MuXtraCrdit
[02:02] <frib> I ran `sudo screen /dev/tty1` on my remote ubuntu server and now it becomes intermittently unresponsive over ssh for 5 seconds every 5 seconds
[02:03] <frib> I don't know for a fact its related to running that comman
[03:07] <xxy> after executing "sudo chsh  -s /bin/bash" , i can't switch "zsh" to "bash"
[03:13] <gry> xxy, how are you switching, and what error message do you get?
[03:16] <jq> hi
[04:11] <studiotv> heloooWW.!!
[04:12] <studiotv> welcome to the jungle..!!
[04:13] <studiotv> ahhh ubuntu oficial
[04:13] <studiotv> yeah..
[04:13] <studiotv> congratulations..!! for free OS studio
[04:14] <studiotv> beatifull system
[04:15] <studiotv> znc.in?
[04:16] <studiotv> (chrfle)
[04:16] <studiotv> phishing? je.!!
[04:17] <studiotv> ttranslation (overcluker)
[04:19] <studiotv> cluck.. jaja
[04:20] <studiotv> AI trembles
[04:22] <studiotv> Successfully connecting to an IRC channel is something
[04:23] <studiotv> Thanks to Ubuntu it became possible
[04:25] <studiotv> telia - telecom?
[04:26] <studiotv> znc
[04:27] <studiotv> llego el latino fumanchu
[04:28] <studiotv> znc yeah..
[06:38] <hwpplayer1> I can't hear the audio output from google-translate extension in Emacs. I run Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[06:38] <hwpplayer1> Is it about Emacs or Ubuntu
[06:39] <hwpplayer1> Is it related with Emacs or Ubuntu
[06:42] <hwpplayer1> I'm installing mplayer
[06:45] <Croran> !
[06:47] <Croran> my system was working fine but then i went and folowed inte
[06:48] <Croran> l's instructions for setting up the Arc video card, and now Xorg fails to start
[06:48] <Croran> lightdm hangs at a flashing cursor, but other ttys still available
[06:49] <Croran> only issues i can see in dmseg are some imei 'FW not responding' lines and then some lines indicating BAR failed to resize
[06:50] <Croran> vainfo gives an error for both DRM drivers it reports but different for each. returns 1 for iHD-drv and -1 for i965_drv
[06:57] <Croran> Xorg is crashing when lightdm tries to start it. stack trace has the iris module in there along with libc stuff
[06:57] <Croran> not sure whether that's a hint. should the iris module be involved for an Arc A380?
[07:58] <paul424> hello, my Ubuntu lts 22 hangs infinite on my laptop asus  x50gl ... what should I do ?>
[07:59] <paul424> I should have added
[07:59] <paul424> that it is the installer which hangs ...
[08:00] <toddc> paul424: do get to the grub menu?
[08:00] <paul424> the last info on screen was ...starting kernel crash submission whoopsie service
[08:00] <paul424> toddc, yes
[08:00] <paul424> "whoopsie.service"
[08:02] <toddc> paul424: that is the error reoring service   so ignore at this time    is youe computer 32bit or 64 bit
[08:02] <paul424> 64
[08:03] <toddc> what video card if you know?
[08:03] <paul424> we have one Ubuntu at school already , so Iwanted all laptops to run ubuntu if they run linux
[08:03] <paul424> video card is ati ...'\
[08:04] <paul424> sorry it's
[08:04] <paul424> nvidia int. gfx
[08:04] <toddc> 1 sec
[08:04] <paul424> 2 sec
[08:04] <paul424> 3 sec
[08:04] <paul424> :P
[08:06] <paul424> https://forums.opensuse.org/t/newbie-asus-x50gl-help/26036
[08:06] <paul424> "I have this notebook(Asus X50GL) and really want to install some linux distro on it. I keep running into all sorts of troubles though. The laptop won’t power off, Fn keys don’t work, wi-fi and bluetooth leds are always on, graphics card isn’t recognised. "
[08:07] <paul424> ahh that's 14 years old post
[08:08] <toddc> as I recall --at the grub menu hit the right shift key tab down to nomodset then enter and continue the install   after the install use addl drivers to install the nividia drivers they are not open source so not included
[08:09] <paul424> yeah that's what I read here on some forum ...
[08:09] <paul424> oki brb
[08:09] <toddc> may be need to hit space bar to set nomodeset
[08:09] <toddc> I was looking for a you tube guide for you
[08:12] <toddc> https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/fix-ubuntu-live-usb-not-booting/
[08:13] <toddc> F6
[08:14] <toddc> paul424: then after you install and reboot I update it the do the addl drivers and pick the one listed as recommended
[08:14] <toddc> or recommeded tested
[08:29] <paul424> how do I log in to Ubuntu "Try me" , what user what password ?
[08:30] <paul424> besides I would like to test how the xfce4 works , not only kde
[08:32] <toddc> no password that is part of the live usb feature so no data is save---basily running off the usb drive
[08:32] <paul424> I have logged out
[08:34] <paul424> How do I try XFCE4 ? ??
[08:34] <paul424> The username should be ubuntu, and the password is blank
[08:36] <toddc> paul424: download xubuntu install to a usb the use live or install same ubuntu and it can be changed from ubuntu to xubuntu but I avoid changing them if I can
[08:38] <paul424> toddc, oki why ?
[08:41] <toddc> when changing from a installed desktop to another once in a while things go wrong --it usually works fine but if you do not have any data on it a clean install is my preferd way
[08:41] <paul424> toddc, oki thanks for the info, time to go , see you O_/
[08:41] <toddc> there are people here with great skills than can usually fix any issues
[10:42] <Guest76> hey, is alpine linux based on ubuntu?
[10:42] <Guest76> do they use the same packages or are they entirely different things?
[10:42] <ravage> nothing in common
[10:43] <Guest76> ravage is ubuntu more secure than alpine linux? How do I determine that?
[10:45] <ravage> no idea. and offtopic for this room
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Guest76
[10:45] <Guest76> ok, thank you
[12:37] <ruffleS> Hi. My touchpad doesn't work every time I boot into Ubuntu. And I also couldn't get my sound card to work either. I've tried unmutting the Speaker in alsamixer (which is what made it work for me on Fedora) but it didn't work on Ubuntu 23.04. I'd appreciate if anyone could help. Cheers!
[12:37] <enyc> ruffleS: I would say **stick around** in the channel whatever you do  don't disconnect, let people reply tomorrow etc... THEN
[12:38] <enyc> ruffleS: please give info: has it worked on other ubuntu versions or other linux distros generally (give details!) ?
[12:40] <ruffleS> I've tried Fedora and PopOS. On Fedora I could have the sound working by messing with alsamixer. However, on both Ubuntu and PopOS I could never hear any sound at all
[12:41] <ruffleS> As for the touchpad behavior, it's the same on all distros that I've tested. It works as long as I move my finger over it as the notebook is booting onto the OS. Otherwise it will not work
[12:42] <danjalical> today I move my final laptop to ubuntu making it my last 'windows' machine
[12:49] <ruffleS> and here's what I get from lspci: 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Celeron/Pentium Silver Processor High Definition Audio (rev 06)
[13:16] <SrPx> We installed ZeroTier in an Ubuntu machine. Recently, we uninstalled it. Since then, the internet has completely stopped working. I have no idea what is going on, it just doesn't connect to anything. I believe ZeroTier messed up system files somehow. How can I do a clean reset of all network related system files and config, given that I don't have internet? Is that possible without requiring another computer?
[13:18] <leftyfb> SrPx: what release of ubuntu?
[13:19] <SrPx> sorry, ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[13:20] <SrPx> if I do "sudo dhclient eth0" it says "Cannot find device 'eth0'"
[13:20] <leftyfb> SrPx: server or desktop?
[13:20] <SrPx> desktop
[13:20] <SrPx> with an UI interface im accessing right now
[13:21] <leftyfb> SrPx: make sure the contents of /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml  match this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xwgZGvGhXz/
[13:21] <leftyfb> remove all other files that are in /etc/netplan/
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:23] <SrPx> leftyfb: it does match already, and  there is nothing else on netplan
[13:23] <leftyfb> SrPx: ok, then look through your network manager network settings
[13:35] <SrPx> got it, ty
[14:20] <eN_Joy> running `dpkg --get-selections` I got quite a few packages marked `deinstall`, such as `linux-modules-5.15.0-1018-oracle                deinstall`, are those packages safe to be removed? If it is, what is the correct syntax to remove them? Thanks!
[14:20] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: run: sudo apt autoremove
[14:21] <eN_Joy> leftyfb: No, that won't do...
[14:21] <leftyfb> why not?
[14:22] <eN_Joy> I ran that, nothing happened... those packages still hang there marked `deinstall`...
[14:24] <leftyfb> eN_Joy: are the packages causing issues for you?
[14:25] <eN_Joy> Not at all, just curious if I could reclaim some storage space...
[14:49] <sebsebseb> Hmm   did   others  also,  suddenly   get  updated    without  knowing,   to the  latest  new  proper  version  of   THunderbird?  on  Ubuntu  23.04   ?    I  wasn't  expecting that,  but  I guess  it's possible  if  Thunderbird,  is a  snap  to  just  get  updated
[14:50] <sebsebseb> to  I mean the  new  one,  not the old one with some  update
[14:50] <sebsebseb> Thundebird    Super nova
[14:51]  * sebsebseb waits  for a  hopefull    reply,  since  it's  2023  and  IRC  is   no  longer  what it used to be
[14:54] <mbeierl> sebsebseb, it looks like beta got a new release yesterday, but stable has not updated since Sep 26.  snap info thunderbird should show you what you've got
[14:55] <sebsebseb> mbeierl: I know i t's  the new  one
[14:55] <sebsebseb> wasn't  expecting  that
[14:57] <sebsebseb> mbeierl: yep  tha  command  did nice  output,  but yes it's  definetly  a  snap  that's  givern me the later  version  as well
[14:57] <leftyfb> sebsebseb: yes, snap packages will update on their own as needed
[14:57] <leftyfb> sebsebseb: also, problem with your keyboard?
[14:58] <sebsebseb> yes   got some problems  with the space  bar
[14:58] <sebsebseb> does  that show
[15:01] <sebsebseb> Thunderbird  115.3.,1  (64bit)    I  wasn't  expecting to get  that  version  just  yet
[15:01] <sebsebseb> or  maybe  they  have dropped  maintaiing  the old  version
[15:04] <sebsebseb> leftyfb: hmm  so  snap packages   will   and ccan  auto  update,  ok  I guess that's why they are trying to do a  more  snap  based  Ubuntu as well  now,   or going that direction
[15:49] <imran> hi
[16:03] <throwthecheese> Does anybody have issues with stylus input on XWayland?
[16:07] <throwthecheese> I have to run some applications, Xournal++ to be precise, under XWayland on KDE as they won't cooperate with the appmenu widget otherwise but whenever I try to write something with my stylus pen the beginning of the stroke gets this smudgy or leaky thin line
[16:08] <throwthecheese> Example: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fl4ovbtq3o5sb1.png%3Fwidth%3D1345%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D38a90dc43f833f7806d055b7a2bd081dc1c6e586
[16:11] <throwthecheese> I would like to know if this is reproducible on other Wayland compositors
[16:25] <AngryTom> How to select mulitple files with Nautilus?
[16:25] <AngryTom> ctrl + mouse doexy not work
[16:26] <leftyfb> AngryTom: CTRL+left-click
[16:26] <leftyfb> AngryTom: if it's not working for you, you have something misconfigured/wrong
[16:27] <AngryTom> hm
[16:27] <toddc> works for me
[16:30] <AngryTom> the context menu appears
[16:31] <leftyfb> AngryTom: that is right-click
[16:31] <AngryTom> and with ctrl left click
[16:32] <AngryTom> ah, when I right click it kind of works
[16:32] <AngryTom> strange
[16:46] <spinningCat> what should i do https://dpaste.com/4FNMGQFVA
[16:47] <spinningCat> i cannot update the system or install something
[16:50] <leftyfb> spinningCat: looks to me like tr.archive.ubuntu.com doesn't work as a repo
[16:50] <spinningCat> i didnt change it anytime
[16:51] <spinningCat> it is default sources.list
[16:51] <leftyfb> spinningCat: it's not the default
[16:51] <spinningCat> i mean
[16:52] <spinningCat> when you install ubuntu sources.list is created right
[16:52] <spinningCat> i didnt add any address thats what i meant
[16:52] <xangua> !kinetic
[16:52] <xangua> MMM that's still supported?
[16:53] <leftyfb> spinningCat: regardless, 22.10 is EOL. You'll need to upgrade
[16:53] <mguy> I have an issue where one user can run a python script that uses selenium, but another user cannot run the same script in the same pythong environment. 22.04. How can I figure out what the differences are between the users? https://pastebin.run/ft4b4hq-jmnk
[16:55] <spinningCat> leftyfb, upgrade to new version?
[16:56] <toddc> Ubuntu 22.10 (Kinetic Kudu) reaches End of Life on July 20 2023
[16:57] <pickanick> In Ubuntu 22.04 is there a command to find the fastest update mirror?
[16:59] <toddc> spinningCat:     upgrade to a current version of ubuntu or downgrade to a Long Term support version
[17:00] <pickanick> In Kubuntu 22.04 is there a command to find the fastest update mirror?
[17:00] <toddc> pickanick: sudo netselect -v -s10 -t20 `wget -q -O- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | grep -P -B8 "statusUP|statusSIX" | grep -o -P "(f|ht)tp://[^\"]*"`
[17:00] <leftyfb> !repeat | pickanick
[17:01] <throwthecheese> Ummm.... does anybody know why does this happen? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fl4ovbtq3o5sb1.png%3Fwidth%3D1345%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D38a90dc43f833f7806d055b7a2bd081dc1c6e586
[17:02] <throwthecheese> For context: the malfunctioning app is Xournal++ run under XWayland
[17:02] <toddc> pickanick: ubuntu should autmaticlly find the fastest/closest at that second with default setttings
[17:03] <leftyfb> toddc: netselect isn't a valid command in ubuntu
[17:07] <toddc> leftyfb: so it is invalid  looking for correct
[17:07] <pickanick> leftyfb : please note,  I was not repeating myself, I was correcting myself: Ubuntu -> Kubuntu
[17:08] <leftyfb> pickanick: in the case of mirrors, it doesn't really matter
[17:08] <pickanick> In any case I found that the discover app settings has a button to find the mirror responding fastest to ping.
[17:14] <b1ldramer> Garfield Has Sex with Nermal in Minecraft - Garfield lures Nermal into a Minecraft world and gangbangs him with Steve, the Ender Dragon, and Creeper. https://justpaste.it/Garfield_Sex_Nermal_Minecraft
[17:15] <leftyfb> !op | b1ldramer
[17:15] <b1ldramer> hi leftyfb
[17:16] <b1ldramer> Long time no see
[17:16] <leftyfb> b1ldramer: please stop
[17:16] <b1ldramer> Remember  c h i m p o u t . c o m
[17:16] <b1ldramer> your favorite site
[17:28] <ioria> ardeatina
[18:22] <paul424> Does newest ubuntu 22 -- still supports BIOS/MBR style of booting ?
[18:23] <leftyfb> yes
[18:23] <paul424> So all I need to do is to choose to mount and install a /boot partition at custom partitioning, right
[18:24] <leftyfb> paul424: why do you need custom partitioning?
[18:24] <paul424> I got windows on the same disc
[18:24] <paul424> on the same hdd
[18:25] <leftyfb> pretty sure the ubuntu installer will account for that
[18:25] <paul424> damn it, I forgot to pay the electricity bill !
[18:29] <paul424> leftyfb, so what shall I do ? The installer keeps warning that the efi partition wasn't choosen and this might cause problems
[18:30] <leftyfb> ah, so Windows is using EFI then? Then you would need Ubuntu to also use EFI
[18:31] <paul424> leftyfb, no no , The windows is old windows 7 installation
[19:41] <gmcastil> i'm on ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS and I inadvertently deleted the partition table (its in a VM) - i recovered the partition table (i had a vfat in for boot and ext4 for /) but the boot partition is empty (i'm on an ISO live) - do i just need to reinstall grub and manually install the kernel and so forth or is there an easier way?
[20:13] <Yakov> gnome-screenshot -w --display 0 | cannot open display: 0 - how to fix it?
[20:13] <leftyfb> try display 1
[20:14] <Yakov> same
[20:14] <Yakov> I have two monitors and need to make screen shot on 0 or 1 by choose
[20:19] <leftyfb> Yakov: --display isn't for multiple monitors
[20:29] <bentbrewer> @ leftyfb: --display is for multiple monitors. The format of the display is what is incorrect. "gnome-screenshot --display=[DISPLAY] is the correct command where you will need to run "xrandr --query to find the correct display value. The value is in the form VGA-0 or HDMI-1 or what have you, the output of the xrandr command will inform the monitor location desired.
[20:30] <Yakov> xrandr XWAYLAND1 connected primary 2560x1600+1920+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 290mm x 180mm
[20:30] <Yakov> gnome-screenshot -w --display=XWAYLAND1 or gnome-screenshot -w --display XWAYLAND1 same error
[20:34] <leftyfb> Yakov: xrandr --query|awk '/ connected/ {print $1}'
[20:35] <leftyfb> bentbrewer: except that doesn't work at all
[20:35] <Yakov> XWAYLAND0
[20:35] <Yakov> XWAYLAND1
[20:35] <leftyfb> Yakov: pretty sure gnome-screenshot will only work on Xorg and not Wayland
[20:36] <leftyfb> bentbrewer: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/STVPqzPvpv/
[20:57] <Yakov> what is screenshot tool for wayland ubuntu?
[21:03] <toddc> Yakov: standard gnome has a built in one called  ---- screenshot
[21:03] <zniavre> grim
[21:03] <zniavre> grim is a command-line utility to take screenshots of Wayland desktops.
[21:03] <Yakov> grim
[21:03] <Yakov> compositor doesn't support wlr-screencopy-unstable-v1
[21:04] <toddc> Yakov: assumming 22.04 wayland standard Gnome
[21:04] <Yakov> toddc, share syntax pls
[21:04] <Yakov> I dont understand those things, gimme syntax pls
[21:06] <toddc> what version on ubuntu are you using I.E 22.04    and desktop  I.E Xubuntu Kubuntu Lubuntu or standard ubuntu desktop or server
[21:07] <Yakov> Description:    Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS
[21:09] <Yakov> is it so complicated to make screen shot on second monitor?
[21:12] <toddc> leftyfb: I had issues but screenshots remote desktop teamveiwer have been working 1+ year across my 5 local 22.04 Gmone desktops with no mods
[21:13] <toddc> Yakov: settings-about will tell you a lot
[21:13] <leftyfb> toddc: ?   nobody is mentioning teamviewer
[21:13] <Yakov> toddc, i dont understand, give me full syntax pls
[21:13] <Yakov> settings about what?
[21:13] <leftyfb> toddc: what are you talking about?
[21:14] <toddc> leftyfb: correct    those screen tools did not work on early wayland
[21:15] <Yakov> what is early wayland?
[21:15] <leftyfb> toddc: Yakov already knows they are running Wayland. Setting -> About isn't going to provide any useful information in this case. And nobody mentioned teamviewer
[21:17] <toddc> trying to find out which verion and DE he has   settings about I am looking  for a guide for him 1 sec
[21:22] <kubuntu> hi guys, I installed windows in virtual box for software and time reasons. I will only use it those rare times when it is essential. I wanted to ask you a question, what configuration can I implement on the virtual network card to eliminate the risk of contagion of any viruses coming from Windows to Ubuntu?
[21:22] <kubuntu> host-only, nat with firewall? thx
[21:27] <toddc> Yakov:  does your desktop look like this?  https://owncloud.azloco.com:8081/index.php/s/5rfMAn7as7TmRdo
[21:29] <Yakov> cant open the link
[21:29] <Yakov> loading
[21:29] <Yakov> infinite
[21:30] <diew_> Hello
[21:30] <Yakov> is there a way to make screen shot of specific app?
[21:31] <toddc> Yakov: 1  sec
[21:32] <diew_> No hello b
[21:32] <toddc> Yakov:  yes
[21:33] <toddc> Yakov:   Try link now I had it blocked for outside usa
[21:34] <Yakov> same issue
[21:35] <toddc> Yakov: 9 dots in lower left?
[21:35] <diew_> @Druid
[21:35] <Yakov> yes
[21:37] <toddc> Yakov: click the nine dots type screenshot in top window  then click the bult in screenshot tool
[21:38] <diew_> Bitchx
[21:38] <tomreyn> diew_: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:38] <toddc> Yakov: screenshots will be saved in pitures/schreenshots
[21:39] <diew_> tomreyn
[21:39] <diew_> Not
[21:40] <tomreyn> diew_: then please remain calm until you do - this channel is for ubuntu support only. there are several other channels, if you're looking for other topics. you can get help with IRC in #libera
[21:41] <diew_> Ok
[21:41] <diew_> Tkz
[21:48] <tomreyn> kubuntu: host-only prevents network communication between host and guest, is thus the safer network configuration, but limits what you can do. NAT should also be safe enough, preventing network access from the guest to a firewalled (or no service exposing) host. you can get irc support for virtualbox on the irc.oftc.net IRC network (so not here on irc.libera.chat) in channel #vbox, or (better) on their web forum. they also provide documentation.
[21:50] <tomreyn> gmcastil: if the contents of your /boot file system have vanished along with your partition table, then apparently you did not just delete the partition table. or you did, but recovering did not succeed. one of the two, so your summary seems to not tell the full story of what happened.
[21:51] <tomreyn> (which means it may be a better idea to just do a fresh install and restore backups)
[21:53] <gmcastil> tomreyn, yeah, i think i formatted that partition vfat as well
[21:53] <gmcastil> i was in the middle of trying to do too many things at once on too many different machines
[21:54] <gmcastil> luckily, I NFS mount RO a large partition at /opt that has all of the stuff that takes a long time to restore
[21:54] <gmcastil> but transferring my home partition is goinig to take a while - if there is a quicker way to just reinstall the bootloader and a kernel, that'd be ideal
[21:55] <Yakov> toddc, i know that, but I need 1) make screen shot with cmd 2) make screenshot only from monitor #2
[21:58] <tomreyn> gmcastil: if you know the rest of the system is not broken (other than the lost and subsequently (correctly?) restored partition table and the lost /boot file system) then you can still do a chroot recovery on the on-disk system from a bootable live usb. *if* you are familiar with this process then it can be faster than a fresh installation / restoring backups.
[21:59] <gmcastil> yeah, i hadnt thought to do that...chrooting into it from a live env
[21:59] <gmcastil> i've got the VM open again with a live CD and the / partition is mounted at /mnt so i can transfer a bunch of stuff
[22:00] <gmcastil> i can chroot into it and then format / mount the /boot partition
[22:00] <gmcastil> i'd still want to engage witht he package manager though i should think
[22:01] <gmcastil> would i just try to reinstall whatever ubuntu calls the linux kernel package?
[22:01] <gmcastil> or would i want to mount the /boot partition outside of the chroot environment?
[22:01] <gmcastil> i should think the latter
[22:02] <gmcastil> i would really like to avoid having to reinstall - because i have a ton of non-standard packages installed as well as a lot of i386 stuff that i need as well
[22:02] <tomreyn> you mount all the file systems of the on-disk system first, then chroot into the system with the empty /boot.
[22:03] <tomreyn> then you (optionally purge, then) reinstall the kernel package
[22:03] <gmcastil> yah, it wouldt work the otehr way, because that partition would be unknown
[22:03] <gmcastil> oh, purge, that's a thing
[22:03] <gmcastil> last i checked, there were a number of kernels installed - so i guess query the package manager to see what it thinks is installed, purge it, and then reinstall it
[22:03] <tomreyn> apt list --installed linux-image-*
[22:04] <gmcastil> what about the bootloader?
[22:04] <gmcastil> when i try to boot the VM it just goes to a grub rescue prompt (and shows me the drive and partitions, now that i fixed that)
[22:05] <tomreyn> you will have one (or more) generally named kernel package, and one (or more) versioned one. the versioned one is the one you need to (re) install
[22:05] <tomreyn> for the bootloader, you need to grub-install
[22:05] <gmcastil> i seem to recall there was a grub- package of some sort that would reinstall a bootloader because presumabely, someone like windows had nuked it
[22:05] <tomreyn> but if this is a uefi booting system then the boot loader would be on a separate partition
[22:06] <gmcastil> it is not...mbr
[22:06] <toddc> Yakov: if you have the mouse on the second monitor press alt+ PrintScreen? screenshots entire scond monitor  assumming terminal is full screen
[22:07] <toddc> https://beebom.com/how-take-screenshot-ubuntu/
[22:07] <tomreyn> gmcastil: you need to "grub-install TARGET_DEVICE" then, where the target device is probably the same device as the one which you deleted the partition table on.
[22:08] <Yakov> toddc, there is no print screen button on mac -> i use F11 as shorkey to make screenshot
[22:10] <leftyfb> Yakov: do you need to screenshot the entire desktop on monitor 2 or is there just a specific application you need to screenshot?
[22:11] <Yakov> i can do app or full monitor 2, app is full screen on monitor two
[22:13] <leftyfb> Yakov: switch from Wayland to Xorg, then use (install first) wmctrl -l # to list your applications you have open and then run:  wmctrl -a <name of application window> ; gnome-screenshot -w
[22:13] <Yakov> omg is it possible?
[22:13] <Yakov> on current hardware?
[22:13] <leftyfb> yes, I just tested it
[22:14] <Yakov> any risks of switching?
[22:14] <Yakov> resource consuming or bugs?
[22:14] <leftyfb> unlikely
[22:14] <gmcastil> tomreyn, cool, i didnt realize there was a way to remove damaged packages and reinstall them
[22:14] <gmcastil> the chroto idea wasnt something that had occurred to me
[22:14] <Yakov> leftyfb, thanks a lot :)
[22:14] <gmcastil> which is wild, since i use chroot to do a ton of things in embedded work
[22:15] <leftyfb> Yakov: wmctrl -a <name of window>     puts the window you want in focus and then gnome-screenshot -w     take a screenshot of the window that is in focus
[22:17] <tomreyn> gmcastil: hope it works for you - it should.
[22:17] <gmcastil> yeah i think so
[22:23] <Yakov> same issue https://pastebin.com/vn4nqdE1  |  5 min trying option with windows targetting
[22:29] <leftyfb> Yakov: don't bother with --display
[22:29] <leftyfb> leave that out like I posted above
[22:29] <Yakov> leftyfb please paste command for wmctrl
[22:30] <Yakov> not sure about syntax i use : wmctrl -a 0x9c
[22:30] <leftyfb> Yakov: switch from Wayland to Xorg, then use (install first) wmctrl -l # to list your applications you have open and then run:  wmctrl -a <name of application window> ; gnome-screenshot -w
[22:30] <leftyfb> put the name of the window in quotes
[22:31] <Yakov> is it ids for wmctrl use only?
[22:31] <Yakov> so good
[22:31] <leftyfb> use the Window name
[22:31] <leftyfb> the part after your hostname
[22:33] <Yakov> wmctrl -a 0x03400006; gnome-screenshot -w
[22:34] <Yakov> does screen shot of terminal which is on second monitor
[22:34] <Yakov> not target app
[22:40] <Yakov> done, needed to use text name not its id :) thanks a lot leftyfb
[22:40] <Yakov> have second big concern - how to minimize only left screen or right screen
[22:44] <Yakov> is it possible to make exact path and name for screen shot we make with gnome?
[22:53] <gmcastil> tomreyn, i have three linux-image-* that are generic
[22:54] <tomreyn> gmcastil: namely?
[22:54] <gmcastil> linux-image-<uname -r>-generic (two different ones) and then a linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[22:54] <gmcastil> (VM doesnt have extensions installed in it, so i cant copy and paste)
[22:55] <tomreyn> oh by "generic" i did not mean "include the word 'generic'" but rather "do not include a version number"
[22:55] <gmcastil> ok thats what i thought you might have been referring to - so I want to leave the 20.04 and remove the other two then
[22:56] <tomreyn> so i was referring to llinux-image-generic and inux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 only
[22:56] <gmcastil> and then reinstall the latest one of the kernel packages then
[22:56] <tomreyn> yes to what you just said / asked
[22:56] <gmcastil> ok, i was pretty sure that's what you meant
[22:56] <gmcastil> thanks leme see what happens here
[22:56] <tomreyn> you can also re-install both of the `uname -r` ones
[22:57] <tomreyn> so you'll have a fallback, which is the standard setup
[22:57] <gmcastil> oh, i guess that makes sense
[22:57] <gmcastil> complaining about not being able to write logs...which i do not think i care about because i know why....
[22:58] <tomreyn> you mounted /var read-only?
[22:58] <gmcastil> no, its trying to do some /dev/pts stuff
[22:59] <tomreyn> oh, you should have mounted those virtual file systems before chroot'ing
[22:59] <gmcastil> gah and probably proc too
[22:59] <tomreyn> https://superuser.com/questions/111152/whats-the-proper-way-to-prepare-chroot-to-recover-a-broken-linux-installation#answers
[23:00] <tomreyn> dev, proc, sysfs
[23:00] <gmcastil> yeah, that's more specific, yeah i didnt realize that the package manager needed to touch all of that stuff
[23:00] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery is actually a better guide, not focring the file system (ext3)
[23:02] <tomreyn> grub needs to access some of those virtual file systems to determine how to boot from where properly
[23:02] <tomreyn> i mean grub-install
[23:02] <tomreyn> and/or update-grub
[23:02] <gmcastil> hopefully my attempts didnt break something
[23:03] <gmcastil> what apt-? command should i try to make sure everything is updated?
[23:03] <mybalzitch> apt update
[23:03] <mybalzitch> then apt upgrade
[23:03] <tomreyn> apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade
[23:04] <gmcastil> i meant to try to make sure i didnt screw somethign up by trying to remove packages and having it bail in the middle because of unmounted virtual filesystems
[23:04] <gmcastil> i'd liek to get the system booting on its own first
[23:06] <tomreyn> unless you installed grub to a different disk / file system than it should be, none of what you did should have been destructive as a result of non-mounted VFS
[23:06] <gmcastil> i meant the package manager
[23:07] <tomreyn> if you'll just re-re-install those packages after mounting the VFS and chroot-ing again you'll be fine
[23:07] <gmcastil> apt --fix-broken install gave me an error because it claims /dev/pts  isnt mounted (/dev is)
[23:08] <gmcastil> i hate blindly trusting the damn package manager
[23:08] <tomreyn> you ust have used just "mount" not "mount --bind" for /dev then
[23:08] <gmcastil> install, reinstall, purge, remove, autoremove
[23:08] <gmcastil> i did mount bind
[23:08] <leftyfb> gmcastil: you need to mount /dev/pts separately
[23:09] <leftyfb> it's a separate mount on top of /dev
[23:10] <gmcastil> dpkg failed this time because it cant create a symlnk...not a surprise, its vfat
[23:10] <tomreyn> --bind should have included it if pts was mounted on the host
[23:10] <tomreyn> vfat on which file system?
[23:10] <gmcastil> boot
[23:11] <tomreyn> why? is this embedded, too?
[23:11] <gmcastil> no, but thats how i formatted it when i screwed up
[23:11] <leftyfb> for i in sys proc dev dev/pts ; do sudo mount -o bind /${i} /path/to/chroot/${i}/ ; done
[23:11] <gmcastil> i can fix that...
[23:12] <leftyfb> and you have to make sure /dev is mounted first, then mount /dev/pts on top
[23:12] <tomreyn> ah lefty is right, i meant to say --rbind, not just --bind for /dev
[23:12] <leftyfb> hm
[23:13] <leftyfb> TIL -R --rbind
[23:13] <gmcastil> it shows udev is on /dev and devpts is on /dev/pts
[23:13] <gmcastil> so i should be set
[23:14] <tomreyn> this sounds right
[23:15] <tomreyn> and you probably want something with journalling on /boot, ext4, ext2, btrfs, xfs or whatever
[23:15] <gmcastil> yeah i already reformatted it ext4...now i'm getting failures because its tryhing to rebuild the virtualbox guest additions
[23:15] <gmcastil> this is almost certainly because i'm in a VM
[23:15] <gmcastil> and i'm not sure that it matters right now
[23:16] <leftyfb> there shouldn't be any symlinks in /boot regardless
[23:16] <gmcastil> its symlinking the kernel to kernel-old
[23:16] <gmcastil> because its the only one in there
[23:17] <leftyfb> ah right, yup
[23:17] <gmcastil> and i'm getting "Failed to connect to bus: no such file or directory" after trying to build the virtualbox guest additions module
[23:17] <leftyfb> the vmlinuz and initrd
[23:17] <gmcastil> but /boot has stuff in it now
[23:17] <gmcastil> and it looks bootworthy, so that's nice
[23:18] <gmcastil> now to fix grub, i just run grub-install /dev/bootpart ?
[23:20] <zecred> khjkhkjhkjhkjkjhkjhkjhkjhkjhkhkjh
[23:20] <tomreyn> more like /dev/bootdevice
[23:21] <gmcastil> hm..
[23:21] <gmcastil> that will install grub files into /boot as well?
[23:21] <tomreyn> i mean you probably want /dev/sda (raw device / MBR) or something, not /dev/sda1 (partition)
[23:21] <gmcastil> yes, that's what i was asking
[23:22] <tomreyn> no, grub won't go into /boot
[23:22] <gmcastil> how does it know that /dev/sda1 is my boot partition? or does it just not care and throws stuff into /boot (which is my mounted partition)
[23:22] <gmcastil> i guess that makes sense
[23:22] <gmcastil> dafuq...says it was installing for i386-pc platform
[23:24] <tomreyn> with classic BIOS booting from a DOS/MBR partitioned disk, grub usually goes next to the MBR. it can also try to 'embed into a partition', but it think current grub no longer supports this and it was always a metter of luck.
[23:24] <gmcastil> ok, so i rebooted and just have a grub> menu now, but thankfully, no rescue prompts
[23:24] <tomreyn> i think "installing for i386-pc platform" is how grub says "in bios mode on x86-like systems"
[23:25] <gmcastil> yeah i can believe that
[23:25] <gmcastil> and no one cares that its misleading as hell because..uh..reasons, sure
[23:26] <tomreyn> i'm almost certain it is well enough documented. ;)
[23:26] <gmcastil> probably right
[23:27] <gmcastil> so ther's a grub directory in /boot now
[23:27] <gmcastil> and i386-pc :)
[23:27] <tomreyn> the grub prompt suggests that either (a) the wrong grub installation was loaded (i.e. an old/different grub installation on a different disk was loaded) or (b) the right grub was loaded but it failed to access its configuration file from the boot file system
[23:28] <gmcastil> as in it cant find the rootfs? should still be able to load a kernel though right?
[23:28] <tomreyn> or (c) the configuration file on the boot file system was properly accessed but does not make sense / is outdated / was created while the VFS were not properly mounted
[23:29] <tomreyn> because grub's configuration file tells it where to load the kernel from, that can fail if the configuration file is not found or not correct
[23:29] <gmcastil> i havent used grub in ages - there used to be a grub.conf file but now...?
[23:29] <tomreyn> there still is, in /boot/grub
[23:30] <tomreyn> grub.cfg though, not grub.conf
[23:30] <gmcastil> ....i have a fonts/, i386-pc/ and grubenv (which is a bunch of 0x23
[23:31] <gmcastil> i just looked at a different VM running ubuntu and it has that, but i'm missing one
[23:31] <gmcastil> is that something i can rebuild?
[23:31] <tomreyn> from a chroot after mounting the file systems and VFS, yes
[23:32] <gmcastil> so i need to bind mount /dev and /dev/pts right?
[23:32] <tomreyn> you could also try your luck from the grub> prompt but i'm not sure i want (or can) guide there
[23:32] <gmcastil> naw, i'm already putting the chroot back together
[23:32] <tomreyn> yes you need both available
[23:33] <gmcastil> there's a grub-mkconfig or something..i remember running into this a while back
[23:34] <gmcastil> so do i just run that from the chroot and grub2 will build one for me from the defaults?
[23:35] <gmcastil> or do i run updaet-grub instead...the /etc/default/grub file recommends the latter
[23:36] <tomreyn> update-grub && grub-install /dev/sdX (or whichever target device it should be)
[23:37] <tomreyn> update-grub is a wrapper around (i think not only) grub-mkconfig
[23:37] <gmcastil> yep, that looked promising, because it found both the -83 and -84
[23:37] <gmcastil> yeah, it did a bunch of stuff beyond rjnning grub-mkconfig
[23:37] <gmcastil> i wasn't gonna run it blindly - i remember there being a responsible way to do it and a hamfisted way
[23:39] <gmcastil> i'd be shocked if i dont have to rebuild the virtualbox extensions again, but thats not ap roblem
[23:39] <gmcastil> ok, so its booting now and doing some fsck which is nice
[23:40] <tomreyn> unless it's an indication that you overwrote more than you think you did ;)
[23:40] <gmcastil> no, its not that, its complaining that UUID changed i think
[23:40] <gmcastil> because i reformatted that partition
[23:41] <gmcastil> or something of that nature
[23:41] <leftyfb> gmcastil: edit /etc/fstab
[23:41] <gmcastil> yeah no doubt
[23:41] <tomreyn> oh right we forgot about that
[23:41] <gmcastil> cant remember if i have stuff in there by uuid or not
[23:41] <gmcastil> i dont htink i did
[23:41] <gmcastil> purple screen...i dig it
[23:42] <gmcastil> system recovery three steps removed...yikes
[23:42] <gmcastil> guest exetensions still work
[23:43] <gmcastil> awesome...that was a great way to spend my afternoon, but thanks, you saved my bacon mate - i owe you a brewsky
[23:43] <tomreyn> we're two, though ;)
[23:53] <gmcastil> i was trying to explain to my wife a bit ago what i did today and i told her "I learned about the folly of trying to multitask"
[23:54] <gmcastil> keep a sharp eye out kids and dont go nuking partition tables via 3 layers deep in ssh
[23:56] <gmcastil> this is weird
[23:56] <gmcastil> https://bpa.st/BVFA
[23:56] <gmcastil> there's the /etc/fstab and fdisk output
[23:57] <tomreyn> what's weird? the partition type of sda1?
[23:59] <tomreyn> the (outdated) reference to sda5?


[10:01] <cristi> hello, I just noticed that the mainline PPA builds seem to be broken
[10:02] <cristi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:02] <cristi>  linux-image-unsigned-4.17.0-041700rc2-lowlatency : Depends: linux-modules-4.17.0-041700rc2-lowlatency but it is not installable
[10:03] <cristi> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.17-rc2/ only contains a handful of packages, as if the build is not yet completed
[10:06] <cristi> amd64 and ppc64el are marked as succeeded, but they're actually missing some packages. All other architectures are marked as failed
[10:13] <apw> cristi, hmmm, thanks for teh heads up
[10:13] <cristi> my pleasure :)
[10:15] <cristi> @apw: please let me know once this is fixed, I'm looking forward to try these packages
[11:42] <syoung> Hello, I posted some stable kernel patches for v4.15 but they were rejected since v4.15 is eol, see http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg132629.html
[11:43] <syoung> it would be nice if they could be included in bionic at some point, lirc_zilog does not work lircd and and will oops
[11:43] <syoung> I'm the submaintainer for rc-core btw
[12:01] <apw> syoung, thanks for the heads up, do feel free to send those to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>we are always interested in stable patches for our versions
[12:02] <apw> (send them to kernel-team@ when sending them to stable@)
[12:03] <apw> cristi (N,BFTL), that rebuild just completed
[12:10] <syoung> apw: I've resent them to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:13] <apw> syoung, thanks a lot
[12:15] <apw> syoung, and stroked through moderation, thanks
[12:16] <syoung> I wonder why 4.15 was picked for an lts release, considering it is eol.
[12:18]  * syoung doesn't pretend to know the intricacies of picking kernel versions
[12:30] <apw> syoung, becasue we would have to backport a heck of a lot of h/w shpport to use a 4.14 base
[12:30] <apw> syoung, we trade one kind of work for anohter
[12:30] <apw> syoung, and every choise is a tradeoff
[12:34] <syoung> fair enough. No perfect answer, I guess.
[17:54] <leitao> I am trying to build a new bionic kernel, and I am getting
[17:54] <leitao> "II: Checking modules for generic...previous or current modules file missing!". Any idea what am I missing this time?


[02:30] <blue379> hi
[02:32] <blue379> I have recently got a machine that I want to put ubuntustudio on, and this will be my first attempt, but I've read lots on it, and I have two (hopefully simple) questions that I have not found yet
[02:33] <blue379> the first, when I went to download, it looks like there is ONLY the alternate distribution DVD image available (on all versions);  is that the one we are supposed to use, or is there somewhere else I should download?
[02:34] <blue379> 2nd:  any idea if vmware running the old windows XP will be ok, and allow usb devices to work inside the vm?
[02:35]  * blue379 serves coffee, juice, etc while he waits, and offers thanx in advance :)
[02:59] <pietro10> Hi. I installed Ubuntu Studio by installing ubuntustudio-desktop from within Ubuntu 11.04, and now Firefox will not let me drag images to the Desktop. What's going on?
[03:16] <holstein> hey pietro10
[03:17] <holstein> pietro10: im assuming what you really wanted was the studio applications
[03:17] <holstein> not the studio 'look and feel'
[03:17] <holstein> i would give a read to
[03:17] <holstein> !vanilla
[03:17] <holstein> and just open synaptic or whatever and search ubuntustudio
[03:18] <holstein> i didnt realize you could drag images to the desktop
[03:18] <pietro10> yeah; I was intending on trying it out (and planning to move to US 11.10); I originally got Linux to test my music programs there as well as on windows/mac
[03:18] <pietro10> eh
[03:18] <holstein> i know the way i do it is right-click and save-as on the desktop
[03:18] <holstein> that'll work*
[03:18] <pietro10> so if I remove ubuntustudio-desktop I should go back to the old configuration?
[03:18] <holstein> OR, you can just go back to the normal ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <holstein> pietro10: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <holstein> ^^ look at the output
[03:19] <pietro10> oh ok
[03:19] <holstein> see if ubuntustudio-desktop is going to be removed
[03:19] <holstein> *make sure it is
[03:19] <holstein> pietro10: we will be in XFCE on 11.10
[03:19] <pietro10> yeah
[03:20] <pietro10> (which is why I said I was going to wait for 11.10)
[03:20] <pietro10> meh
[03:20] <pietro10> anyway the apt-get line tells me already installed
[03:20] <pietro10> should I just remove ubuntustudio-desktop?
[03:21] <holstein> pietro10: when you sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, you should see ubuntustudio-desktop being offered as removed
[03:21] <holstein> if not, let me know
[03:21] <holstein> if you want, go grab the xubuntu alpha for 11.10, and add the studio meta-packages :)
[03:21] <pietro10> no it's quitting, saying "ubuntu-desktop already latest version"
[03:22] <holstein> OH
[03:22] <holstein> pietro10: you can probabaly just log out and choose it in the session manager then
[03:22] <pietro10> ok
[03:26] <pietro10> eh, that didn't come up as an option so I just removed ubuntustudio-desktop and now it works
[03:26] <pietro10> thanks anyway
[04:58] <blue977> hi
[05:02] <holstein> blue977: o/
[05:34] <blue977> I finally saved enough to build a machine for ubuntustudio; and I read lots, (this is my first attempt) but I got two questions I could not find answers to
[05:35] <blue977> first, when I went to get the dvd .iso - all I see is alternate distributions, (same for every version), is there somewhere else I should be lookin?
[05:36] <blue977> second, any idea if I can use vmware to run a windows XP with usb devices on the inside?
[05:37]  * blue977 serves coffee, juice, etc to everyone
[05:39] <holstein> blue977: we only have the one installer right now
[05:40] <holstein> the bigger than a CD sized alternate installer
[05:40] <holstein> check out..
[05:40] <holstein> !vanilla
[05:40] <holstein> if you want, you can install normal ubuntu from the normal live desktop CD
[05:40] <holstein> *i suggest checking out *some* live distro first
[05:40] <blue977> ok; I just though I was missing something and didn't want to download the wrong one
[05:41] <holstein> nah, thats it :)
[05:41] <holstein> Vbox doesnt care where the guest OS's hard drive is
[05:41] <holstein> you might though
[05:41] <holstein> if the USB performances it not up to speed
[05:41] <blue977> is vbox like vmware? for vm's?
[05:42] <holstein> AH
[05:42] <holstein> yeah, VMware *should* be the same
[05:42] <blue977> I was going to put ubuntu inside windows cause I had that, but windows wont let usb work inside vm's
[05:43] <holstein> AFAIK, virtual box doesnt care
[05:43] <holstein> even on windows
[05:43] <holstein> but, i havent been in windows in a while
[05:43] <blue977> kewl :)
[05:43] <holstein> and i never wanted a guest on a USB drive
[05:43] <holstein> blue977: you dont want ubuntustudio virtualized anyways
[05:43] <holstein> i mean, you can
[05:43] <holstein> but you wont be able to use 'the goods'
[05:44] <holstein> really depends on what you are doing
[05:44] <blue977> oh
[05:44] <blue977> for starters I got to learn everything first
[05:45] <holstein> well, it wont take you long to learn that
[05:45] <holstein> assuming you are wanting to use JACK, and do audio production
[05:45] <holstein> if you are doing graphics, you might get away with it
[05:45] <holstein> you could do video editing too probably
[05:45] <holstein> just brutally slow
[05:45] <holstein> you want to do it the other way anyways
[05:46] <holstein> you want windows virtualized
[05:46] <blue977> this is going to be the first machine I got for me and I'm so excited
[05:46] <holstein> you can save 'snaptshots' of guest OS's
[05:48] <holstein> unless you use windows more like an appliance, and dont get online with it
[05:50] <blue977> been saving up since november; I got the cheapest intel quad, 4 gb mem, a new motherboard, an old nvidia pcie 256 video card, and a dvd-rw, and a 500 gb western digital caviar blue
[05:50] <blue977> and there is space for 4 more gb of ran too
[05:51] <blue977> and a FREE 22" old vga monitor cause someone got a flat one and he didnt want this one
[05:52] <holstein> nice
[05:52] <holstein> i got a dual core finally
[05:53] <holstein> got it for recovering some data
[05:53] <holstein> that and a laptop of similar specs
[05:53] <blue977> mine is a desktop
[05:54] <blue977> old case but I got a new power supply with red green yellow and blue lights
[05:54] <blue977> and the fan has blue lights
[05:54] <holstein> right... i got a decent desktop machine and a laptop for that job
[05:55] <blue977> why is the video slow?
[05:55] <blue977> will it be too slow to record a vcr to make it for a dvd and edit out the commercials?
[05:56] <holstein> what video?
[05:56] <holstein> depends on the capture card i guess
[05:56] <holstein> what capture rig did you get?
[05:56] <blue977> you said the video editing was brutally slow
[05:57] <holstein> i said it *would* be
[05:57] <holstein> in VM or Vbox
[05:57] <blue977> oh
[05:57] <holstein> rendering would be slower than necessary
[05:57] <blue977> but if ubuntu is the main os then its ok
[05:57] <holstein> ok?
[05:58] <holstein> i mean, its not magic
[05:58] <holstein> you can still break things ;)
[05:58] <holstein> i personally dont do media editing in general in virtual machines
[05:58] <holstein> im sure its do-able though
[05:59] <blue977> I will try to put it on as the main os and make windows inside
[06:00] <holstein> what graphics card did you go with?
[06:00] <holstein> O I C
[06:00] <holstein> nvidia
[06:00] <holstein> i got a dual head nvidia recently
[06:00] <holstein> at the charity shop
[06:00] <holstein> works pretty well
[06:01] <blue977> its a nvidia 256 mb pci-e with 2 ports so I can have use a old vga monitor for the 2nd one too - lots of those free
[06:01] <blue977> I think it is 6400 or 6800 or something like that
[06:02] <blue977> not a good idea to turn on the light to see, cause my mom is not asleep
[06:04] <blue977> I really want to try to make a full length animated video with awesome music too, and make a zillion dollars cause that would be really amazing
[06:06] <holstein> hey, it could happen :)
[06:06] <blue977> on 500 gb drive if I keep 100 gb for the vm for windows, should I make the rest in one partition or split it for programs and data separate?
[06:06] <holstein> whatever you want
[06:07] <holstein> i just do buntu in one big partition
[06:07] <holstein> but, the seperate /home is usually considered more 'pro'
[06:07] <blue977> ok
[06:08] <blue977> I'm so excited :)
[06:10] <blue977> thanx so much!  I am going to download that now, and as soon as exams are over I will get busy on it
[06:12] <holstein> cool
[06:12] <holstein> blue977: welcome to the channel :)
[06:17] <blue977> :)
[06:22] <blue977> I'm going to bed before I get my butt kicked; thanks again


[08:32] <chesco> morning people
[08:33] <SunStar> hiya
[08:33] <chesco> I need few help with kernel options freeing and some tips concern options to place in hard or as modules
[08:34] <SunStar> huh?
[08:35] <chesco> yes Im compiling new kernel on a asus eeepc
[08:36] <chesco> RT of course
[08:36] <chesco> and i need to know if its better to place sound card drivers in hard or as module ?
[08:37] <chesco> and Im trying to free all the module I dont need for this computer.
[08:37] <chesco> and all useless kernel options
[08:39] <chesco> well. ^^. noway. I ll try by myself
[08:43] <SunStar> as a module
[08:43] <SunStar> its designed to be modular
[08:44] <chesco> ok, fine thanks
[08:45] <chesco> I just check my cpu info, its a C60 AMD a K10 AMD processor family, the kernel offer me the choice between K8 P4 Core 2 Atom and Generic .. is there any patch for the C60 K10 AMD ?
[08:55] <chesco> maybe I should stay like that before installing patches and patches.. .to c if It work
[09:14] <chesco> there is a k10temp patch but only to fix sensor reading problem.... not very usefull.
[14:48] <Zer0freak> hi all
[14:57] <loopy> hi all


[05:09] <mazal> Mornings
[06:09] <Kilos> hi alphad MaNI Squirm theblazehen and others
[06:11] <MaNI> morning
[06:25] <Kilos> hi Tonberry Cryterion
[06:25] <Kilos> oh my pro is gone
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:33] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:40] <nuvolari> o/ mornings :D
[06:41] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[06:41] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[06:41] <nuvolari> oh hi MaNI
[06:41] <nuvolari> and mazal
[06:41] <Kilos> hi nuvolari goed dankie en daar?
[06:47] <Kilos> Maaz  tell inetpro you missing man
[06:47] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[06:54] <Kilos> can anyone see when the pro parted?
[06:54] <Kilos> i was offline so dont see it
[06:56] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  do you see it on your scrollback please
[06:56] <Kilos> im helping him via telegram
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Oh hai ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos and nuvolari
[06:57] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[06:57] <Trixar_za> Also MaNI and mazal who also said good morning :P
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my i didnt see mazal
[06:58] <Kilos> sorry
[06:58] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> my bouncer doesn't replay joins/parts
[06:58] <Kilos> oh my ty ThatGraemeGuy
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> or rather I've not configured it to
[06:58] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[06:59] <Kilos> yeah it becomes a nuisance but he needs the info
[06:59] <Kilos> irc logs dont show joinparts either
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> maaz: seen inetpro
[06:59] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: inetpro was last seen 1 day, 40 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-07-13 23:19:37 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> no scrollback required
[07:00] <Kilos> that shows his last time he said something only
[07:00] <Kilos> he was online yesterday
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> "and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-14 19:40:14 PDT"
[07:00] <Kilos> ah cool
[07:00] <Kilos> ty
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> and why oh why does Maaz use PDT timezone?!
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> grrrrr
[07:01] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Kilos> i dont even know what that is
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah what a joke indeed
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and every time we suggest replacing it it's "nooooo there will be a shiny new bot any day now"
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> except nobody has put a second's effort in
[07:02] <Kilos> and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is ubuntu-ZA
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> in ZA we use UTC+2
[07:02] <Kilos> thats from qa on ##kilos
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> no reason for maaz to use anything else
[07:03] <Trixar_za> :|

[07:03] <Trixar_za> I have the wierdest urge to use Japanese
[07:03] <Trixar_za> I may be watching too much Anime
[07:03] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <Kilos> ill get the pro to make her use utc+2 when he gets some time
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah yeah
[07:04] <Kilos> they have a line down or something
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> this isn't the first time i've heard this and it won't be the last
[07:05] <Kilos> but utc is easier to figure for me anyway
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[07:06] <Kilos> QA  hi
[07:06] <QA> hi there
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> how can that possibly be easier to figure than just using UCT+2, which is what 99% of us use all day every day
[07:06] <Kilos> well we havent bothered to sort her yet
[07:07] <Kilos> and with utc its easy to add 2
[07:07] <Kilos> QA  seen inetpro
[07:07] <QA> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 7 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes and 17 seconds ago in #ubuntu-africa on freenode [2015-07-07 21:40:41 UTC], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-07-15 02:40:35 UTC
[07:08] <Kilos> he is so busy , when i ask him to sort her timezone ill get an ai!
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> its easier to not have to add or subtract anything
[07:08] <Kilos> i totally agree
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> it pisses me off no end when people aren't willing to give up being the custodian of something, yet are constantly too busy to maintain it
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> wtf is the point
[07:10] <Kilos> i have admin on QA but dont know how to set the timezone thing
[07:14]  * mazal peaks
[07:14] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:14] <mazal> Hallo everyone I haven't greeted yet
[07:14] <Kilos> sies man
[07:14] <mazal> sies why ?
[07:15] <Kilos> jy los ons in die donker
[07:15] <Kilos> skaam jou
[07:15] <mazal> huh
[07:15] <mazal> I'm not following
[07:15] <Kilos> mazal afk is nearly same as mazal offline
[07:16] <mazal> Not really
[07:16] <mazal> mazal afk = working
[07:16] <mazal> mazal offline = playing
[07:16] <Kilos> i try greet online not away peeps so i dont ping them if they busy
[07:17] <Trixar_za> If that playing involves porn, then it's probably better than he left us in the dark
[07:18] <mazal> I don't do porn , so nope
[07:18] <Kilos> lol\
[07:18] <mazal> But oom I still don't know why I got a sies ? What  did wrong ?
[07:20] <Kilos> haha sorry man
[07:21] <Kilos> i said sies because ytou didnt greet me first thing
[07:21] <mazal> I can't help it oom sleep so late :P
[07:21] <mazal> When I said morning nobody was here lol
[07:21] <Kilos> you are forgiven
[07:22]  * mazal needs to find about 120gig data somewhere
[07:23] <mazal> Why is top-ups sooooooooo expensive
[07:23] <mazal> I don't get that
[07:23] <Kilos> oh my
[07:24] <mazal> I want an ISP that offers top-ups at the same price per gig as your monthly bundle cost per gig
[07:24] <mazal> Kilos: yeah , I need to do a ton of downloads , but is a once-off thing so no use upgrading my monthly package
[07:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:26] <mazal> It's what happens when you sit without power for a whole day and think out stuff
[07:26] <mazal> cos of boredom
[07:26] <Kilos> ai!
[07:26] <mazal> It's always great ideas but ends up costing lots of money or data every time lol
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: vox fat pipe 100GB R164
[07:27] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: That's the one of last week yes ?
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes valid til end of the month
[07:28] <mazal> Really wish there was better once-off options in these specific cases
[07:30]  * ThatGraemeGuy mumbles something about the wonders of uncapped
[07:30] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <mazal> Ag nee , you barely reach 50gig then you get throttled so bad you can't even use email
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> riiiight
[07:31] <mazal> Is what happened to me
[07:31] <mazal> Got lik 7k download on a 4mb line. Rediculous
[07:32]  * ThatGraemeGuy steps away
[07:32] <Kilos> lol
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> not going through this loooong conversation again
[07:32] <mazal> Just pointing out the facts of what happened. Maybe my ISP just bad , but that's what happened
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, you pointed out those same facts last time, and everyone here told you that yes, the isp choice was bad, and etc. etc. etc.
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> like i said, not getting into that loooong conversation again
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i routinely use 200-300GB without breaking a sweat
[07:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:37] <Kilos> wooot pro returned
[07:37] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:37] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro you missing man" 50 minutes and 10 seconds ago
[07:38] <inetpro> hehe... he missed me? :-)
[07:38]  * inetpro just had to kickstart the interwebs into gear
[07:38] <mazal> morning inetpro
[07:38] <Kilos> hi inetpro wb
[07:39] <inetpro> Kilos: last night I just gave up connecting when we had loadshedding after a long day at work
[07:39] <Kilos> we had 3 hours no power
[07:39] <Kilos> and when you have time we need to make the bots use utc+2 please
[07:40] <mazal> Oi I need a document management system
[07:44] <mazal> Oom Kilos have you figured one out yet ?
[07:50] <Kilos> a document manager?
[07:50] <magespawn> good morning
[07:51] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:51] <Kilos> mazal  what you wanna do?
[07:52] <mazal> Kilos:  a " Help me remember in which folder I put which document " system :P
[07:52] <Kilos> lolol
[07:52] <mazal> morning magespawn
[07:52] <Kilos> no i forget too
[07:53] <Kilos> thats why i let my browser open to over 20 pages daily
[07:53] <mazal> I lost one of barry's files
[07:53] <mazal> and can't find the thing
[07:53] <Kilos> use the search
[07:54] <mazal> uhm.......can't remember the filename
[07:54] <mazal> And also can't remember if it's on mail , pc or server lol
[07:55] <mazal> It's defnitely on one of those systems , that I know lol
[07:55] <Kilos> ai!
[07:56] <Kilos> whats this thing http://tellico-project.org/
[07:58] <Kilos> you should save all barry stuff in a barry folder
[07:59] <mazal> We have a bunch of work folders and in there a bunch of sub folders
[07:59] <mazal> We try and name the folders according to relevance , but there is also some that could be in 3 different subjects
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <mazal> For example , this is a user's application for memory sticks.  BUT then comes the problem when it gets updated. Then the " Now which one did I update problem again "
[08:03] <Kilos> lol
[08:03] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: We asked for an admin clerk , as usual the response was no
[08:03] <mazal> Our poor files is a mess
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is it you work for?
[08:04] <mazal> nuff said right there
[08:05] <mazal> om Kilos , you should see when it happens when me and barry goes " Maar ek het jou gese jy moet onthou waar ek dit bere , jy moet help onthou "
[08:05] <Kilos> lol
[08:05] <Kilos> correctional services
[08:05] <mazal> then the inevitable " Nee jy het my niks gese nie , ek kan dit nie onthou nie " lol
[08:06] <Kilos> ai!
[08:06] <mazal> Two ou toppies trying to remember stuff , get's very funny
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <mazal> Don't tell him I said that :P
[08:08] <mazal> And the less you remember the more docs and manuals you make for yourself and so the cycle get's worse
[08:09] <Kilos> i battle with only my stuff, dunno how you guys do so much
[08:09] <mazal> But the digital stuff is ok , eventually we find it. You should check when I try and find something I wrote in last year's diary lol
[08:21] <magespawn> mazal: you still write things?
[08:33] <Kilos> hi ronaldm
[08:34] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:35] <mazal> magespawn: Defnitely , I have a diary at work and at home I have notepads for stuff to remember
[08:36] <magespawn> i almost always lose the notes, can remember that i wrote something somewhere
[08:36] <magespawn> brb
[08:45] <magespawn> back
[08:48] <ronaldm> Kilos: thanks for the warm welcome
[08:48] <Kilos> we are happy when new people join us ronaldm
[08:48] <ronaldm> Kilos: I am based in Harare, saw your email on the LoCo mailing list
[08:48] <Kilos> if you need some help just state what you need help with
[08:49] <Kilos> aha ok then you can join #ubuntu-africa
[08:49] <Kilos> thats the channel for all of africa
[08:51] <mazal> Welcome ronaldm
[08:52] <ronaldm> mazal: thanks
[08:55] <mazal> heh , heard another myth now
[08:56] <mazal> magespawn: I keep mine in one place only , then it can't get lost :)
[08:56] <mazal> Always lying next to my pc
[09:07] <Kilos> haha i saved school books full of notes, and that is even harder to find
[09:09] <magespawn> mazal i need to get into this idea of having one office, at the moment i tend to carry everything with me
[09:11] <magespawn> bbl got to go again
[09:15] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:15] <Kilos> need clever peeps ideas
[09:17] <Kilos> if a tower is upgraded to lte will ones normal modem also be faster even though it cant do the lte bit
[09:17] <Kilos> surely the whole signal or bandwidth will be better wont it
[09:19] <Kilos> so everything connected to it will be faster
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure if there are and GSM/LTE techs around here that would know
[09:22] <Kilos> well i hope so because ive just asked them to upgrade this tower
[09:22] <Kilos> and will get all neighbours to do likewise
[09:44] <mazal> Good q Kilos , would be interesting to know
[09:47] <Kilos> logically i think everything connected to it should be faster, cells, tablets pcs etc
[09:47] <mazal> Usually it's never that simple. There is always a BUT
[09:48] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't think that would be the case at all
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> if your device can speak HSDPA it will still speak HSDPA
[09:49] <mazal> I think only LTE enabled devices will benefit
[09:49] <mazal> The rest not
[09:49] <Kilos> oh yes ThatGraemeGuy i agree but
[09:49] <Kilos> lets figure
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have a WiFi 802.11n device, there is no speed benefit for a device that only speaks 802.11g
[09:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> similar situation
[09:49] <Kilos> to upgrade to lte they must surely increase bandwidth right?
[09:49] <mazal> I agree with Graeme
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> backhaul yes
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but that isn't really relevant to your device
[09:50] <Kilos> so then , we are having slow speeds now because they say because of all the extra users
[09:50] <mazal> It's like if I plug my 100mb network card into a 1Gig lan , it's still only gonna work at 100mb
[09:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> it depends on whether the congestion is on the GSM side or backhaul
[09:51] <Kilos> my device is capable of 20mb/s but i get 2 mb/s
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't believe that backhaul would be congested
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> the wireless likely is
[09:51] <Kilos> at times then others over 7mb/s
[09:51] <Kilos> so thats because of too many peeps i think
[09:52] <Kilos> so if bandwidth is increased it should be able to do better
[09:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> your whole argument is based on them adding more backhaul
[09:52] <Kilos> i dunno what backhaul is
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's fat fibre pipes, i don't believe that would be the issue
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> backhaul is the fat fibre connection that connects base station comms kit to their backbone
[09:53] <Kilos> oh ty
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think more likely the wireless side is congested
[09:54] <Kilos> well i hope upgrading helps
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> and like everything, no provider is ever going to say you will get the speed your device supports, they will all say "up to" 20Mbps or whatever
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> there just isn't any way to guarantee speed, ESPECIALLY with wireless
[09:54] <MaNI> 99% of the time it will be the 'last mile' i.e. the wireless side
[09:54] <Kilos> ya but they must fix my side
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> they will advertise the speed the technology is capable of, but there's no way you will see that full speed constantly
[09:55] <Kilos> the pro gets up to 22mb/s and im stuck down at 2mb/s at times
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't compare like that
[09:55] <Kilos> im happy when i get 7 meg
[09:56] <Kilos> ya but he feeds off a lte tower and me not
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> and upgrading a tower costs a ton of money, they aren't just going to do that without all sorts of investigation and financial reports
[09:56] <Kilos> oh well all i can do is ask for upgrade
[09:57] <Kilos> and hope
[09:58] <Kilos> its very lekker to open a web page and not have to wait
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> that has less to do with bandwith and more to do with latency
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I only have 2M and pages load quickly for me
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> adsl has much lower latency
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have 20M of  peak bandwith but bad latency, web pages will still suck
[10:07] <Kilos> ai!
[10:09]  * mazal hears the word latency and screams
[10:09] <mazal> Killer for us online gamers that
[10:09] <mazal> Good old ping rate
[10:10] <MaNI> a bit of both depending on the web pages
[10:10] <MaNI> turning on ad block is a big help :)
[10:10] <Kilos> lol i have that
[10:10] <Kilos> hate adds
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh
[10:11] <mazal> Shees we are standing still today
[10:11] <mazal> Our work network I mean
[10:11] <MaNI> but yeah latency is a killer if its a badly written web page, with lots of back and forth, like 100s of little css files or whatever
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> trying to get some windows-only piece of crap software working on a vm
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> how do people still use this crap?
[10:12] <mazal> What app ?
[10:12] <Kilos> with difficulty
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> leapfrog connect
[10:13] <mazal> Don't know it sorry , can't be of help
[10:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> nobody can :)
[10:13] <MaNI> I lost most of my sleep on monday to get a product to still work on XP :/
[10:14] <mazal> XP!!! Wow ok
[10:14] <MaNI> product about to ship, client decides at last minute that it must still support XP, meh
[10:14] <Kilos> ouch
[10:14] <mazal> I almost said something now
[10:14] <mazal> But can't judge that badly :P
[10:15] <MaNI> It sounds ridiculous but when you look at some of the numbers out their some of them claim more people still use XP than OSX - and nobody acts shocked when people want OSX support :(
[10:16] <mazal> All things bad about Win aside, using an OS that has no security support anymore is just.........
[10:16] <MaNI> not condoning it
[10:16] <MaNI> but its still ~250 million potential customers that otherwise can't use your software :p
[10:17] <MaNI> I'd love to take a stick and beat them all into using another OS of course
[10:17] <mazal> That gives me an idea
[10:18] <MaNI> ergh 4-6 weeks lead time on the circuit breakers I want, terrible, I can probably import faster than that :(
[10:47] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch
[10:47] <Maaz> mazal: How about some soup?
[10:48] <mazal> maaz what is it with you and soup
[10:48] <Maaz> mazal: Not a clue, sorry
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird question, anyone know anything about dual-booting windows 8 and linux?
[11:53] <mazal> Not Win 8 no , last time I did it was Win 7
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> my laptop came with windows 8 in UEFI mode, and I blew it away within minutes
[11:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and now I want to go to dual-boot and I'm lost
[11:54] <mazal> formatted it ?
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've done nothing, just researching first
[11:54] <mazal> O ok
[11:54] <mazal> ask ubuntu has a nice one this somewhere
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I need to know what I'm in for up front, this is my laptop that I use all the time, can't have it down for a day or two while I'm figuring stuff out
[11:54] <mazal> UEFI is the main pain
[11:55] <mazal> Lemme see if I can find that nice how-to I saw before
[11:57] <mazal> http://askubuntu.com/questions/221835/installing-ubuntu-on-a-pre-installed-windows-8-64-bit-system-uefi-supported
[11:58] <mazal> Lots of info there ^^
[11:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks, but that's how to install ubuntu with 8 pre-installed
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> I already did that 1.5 years ago, I need something different
[12:00] <mazal> What specific you need ?
[12:00] <melodie> hi
[12:00] <melodie> Kilos ?
[12:00] <mazal> Lo melodie
[12:01] <melodie> hi mazal
[12:22] <mazal> What means "hybrid harddisk" ?
[12:22] <mazal> Semi ssd ?
[12:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive
[12:24] <mazal> hmm interesting thanx
[12:26] <mazal> I wonder if Ubuntu support that 2nd part :
[12:26] <mazal> the data placement decisions are performed either entirely by the device (self-optimized mode), or through placement "hints" supplied by the operating system (host-hinted mode).
[12:30] <mazal> oi gtg
[12:30] <mazal> l8tr all , have a nice afternoon
[14:57] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[15:00] <magespawn> trying to find out why the network is sporadic
[15:01] <magespawn> slow then fast intermittently
[15:02] <Kilos> during a download?
[15:03] <magespawn> no just general network usage
[15:03] <magespawn> do have 80 or so people on the network
[15:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:03] <Kilos> some are downloading stuffs
[15:07] <magespawn> yup i think so but the ping times are all over the place an i am losing packets on two locations
[15:08] <Kilos> oh my
[15:10] <magespawn> i think the one is an alignment issue and the other just crappy equipment
[15:12] <magespawn> nothing that would hurt chat, but your youtube might suffer a bit
[16:08] <Cryterion> And loadshedding starts again, grrr
[16:18] <MaNI> indeed
[16:18] <MaNI> and my panels are sitting in my lounge unable to help me, so close but still so far, the pain :p
[16:51] <inetpro> good evening
[17:05] <Cryterion_> evening inetpro mazal
[17:05] <Cryterion_> Mani i me
[17:05] <Cryterion_> mean grrr
[17:06] <MaNI> evening
[17:29] <Kilos> hi inetpro MaNI Cryterion_ and superfly
[17:29] <superfly> Hi Kilos, Cryterion_, MaNI and inetpro
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: the Nikola guys are super helpful. I'm using Nikola for another site, and I asked them for some help and they were exceptionally helpful.
[17:32] <Kilos> good superfly
[17:32] <Kilos> what could you need help with though
[17:34] <Kilos> ?
[17:34] <Kilos> not often my fly needs help
[17:51] <superfly> just some internals of Nikola
[17:52] <Kilos> aha
[17:59] <Cryterion_> in 1907 Nikola Tesla said "One day every person will have a hand held device that could send text messages to any other person", in 1999 the Blackberry arrived!
[18:00] <Kilos> i enjoy the tesla coils in red alert. they really shock the enemy to bits
[18:01] <Cryterion_> lol, I remember that game
[18:02] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 wb
[18:05] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos what's up
[18:05] <Kilos> just another day and you?
[18:06] <Kilos> hows the business Vince-0 ?
[18:07] <Kilos> you made your first million yet?
[18:09] <Vince-0> ag werk is werk
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:13] <Kilos> glad you got everything fixed inetpro , room is empty outa you
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: what problem?
[18:14] <Kilos> sigh
[18:14] <Kilos> none so blind as those that will not see
[18:16]  * inetpro don't know that he had problems
[18:16] <Kilos> oh ok then
[18:17] <Kilos> i must be the only observant one here
[18:17] <Kilos> obzervent
[18:17] <Kilos> ai! that
[18:17] <Kilos> opletbaar
[18:17] <stickyboy> "You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding" -Plato
[18:17] <stickyboy> (speaking about Google)
[18:18] <stickyboy> http://ma.tt/2015/07/plato-phaedrus/
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean this morning?
[18:18] <Kilos> yeaasir inetpro
[18:18] <Kilos> yessir
[18:18] <inetpro> that was not my problem to fix sir
[18:18] <Kilos> well thats a matter of opinion
[18:18] <inetpro> somebody else also needs to do some work around here :-)
[18:19] <Kilos> if you offline here its your problem
[18:19] <Kilos> haha
[18:19] <stickyboy> You guys, communities rise and fall.
[18:19] <Kilos> not this one
[18:19] <stickyboy> Just look at the once-mighty Nairobi LUG.
[18:19] <Kilos> we just keep rising
[18:20] <stickyboy> \o/
[18:20] <Kilos> i wont allow these peeps too fall till i stop breathing
[18:20] <stickyboy> I'll send you greetings from Georgia.
[18:20] <stickyboy> Have you seen how they write?
[18:20] <Kilos> when you going
[18:20] <Kilos> no
[18:21] <Kilos> georgia where
[18:21] <stickyboy> ქართული
[18:21] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:21] <Kilos> same to you
[18:21] <stickyboy> The caucasus, my friend.
[18:22] <Kilos> stickyboy  is that their word for yummy
[18:22] <Kilos> where is the caucasus
[18:23] <stickyboy> Kilos: Azerbaijan, Georgia...
[18:23] <stickyboy> But the Caspian Sea.
[18:23] <Kilos> aha
[18:23] <stickyboy> s/Buy/By/
[18:23] <mazal> Evenings
[18:23] <Kilos> hi mazal
[18:24] <Kilos> stickyboy  they dont have feta
[18:26] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yeah, looks like they might not...
[18:26] <stickyboy> But they have baklava.
[18:26] <Kilos> lol you gonna have to rough it for a while
[18:27] <Kilos> how long 2 weeks?
[18:28] <mazal> ugh this winter thing , 8:30 and I want to go sleep already
[18:28] <Kilos> yeah im also yawning here
[18:28] <Kilos> snow on the berg tonight
[18:29] <Kilos> luckily north east wind tomorrow
[18:29] <mazal> I'm too lazy to work and too cold to game lol
[18:29] <Cryterion__> Kilo's, I setup a post on the Congo's team facebook page, looks like it has to wait admin approval before it goes through, will wait and see
[18:29] <Cryterion__> Hi mazak
[18:29] <Cryterion__> mazal*
[18:29] <mazal> Hi Cryterion__
[18:29] <Kilos> ty Cryterion__
[18:30] <Cryterion> darn loadshedding, messes up my nick lol
[18:30] <Kilos> i actuallt think i had some mail contact with one of them once but forget who now
[18:31] <Kilos> loadshedding messes up everything
[18:32] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[18:33] <Cryterion> There's 175 people on the Congo page that like it (Can't tell how many still follow it though) but it's also a page, not a group like we've setup for Africa
[18:33] <Kilos> we are unique world wide i think
[18:35] <Kilos> its just difficult to pull social media peeps to irc
[18:35] <mazal> What's the africa group name ?
[18:35] <Kilos> on fb?
[18:35] <Kilos> ubuntu-africa
[18:35] <Cryterion> mazal, Ubuntu-Africa
[18:36] <mazal> Last post was April ?
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh i'm a bit spoiled
[18:36] <Kilos> what you got ThatGraemeGuy
[18:36] <Tonberry> hi
[18:36] <Cryterion> How do I un-ignore on xchat?
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> so used to a CD-sized ISO taking a couple of minutes, when I'm at home it seems inconceivable that it's going to take more than an hour
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> AN HOUR, really?!
[18:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> yay dvd size isos are the new norm
[18:37] <Kilos> ya
[18:37] <mazal> An hour for an install ?
[18:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> no an hour+ to download 438MB
[18:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> takes about a minute at work :-/
[18:38] <Kilos> wow
[18:38] <stickyboy> From USB flash disk it's quick. :D
[18:38] <mazal> Oh to dl
[18:38] <mazal> I was about to ask if that is a Windoooze install lol
[18:39] <Kilos> what last post was april mazal
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> well yes, from RAM its even quicker, but since the file I need is stored on neither of those, I will have to download it from the snail network :-p
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> a windows install is only 10 minutes nowadays
[18:39] <mazal> Kilos, the last post on the fb group
[18:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> but this whole affair is windows related actually
[18:39] <Kilos> the ubuntu-africa group?
[18:39] <mazal> yes
[18:40] <Kilos> Cryterion  post something
[18:40] <mazal> And seems like a micro financial organization actually
[18:40] <Cryterion> Something
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <mazal> I think I am on the wrong group that has the same name
[18:40] <Kilos> man something to show its alive and hunting buntu peeps in africa
[18:41] <Cryterion> I accidentally ignored mazal, not sure it I corrected it properly yet, mazal are you here?
[18:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1.5 hours and counting, resizing an NTFS filesystem by 150GB  :-/
[18:42] <mazal> Cryterion, yes I am
[18:42] <Cryterion> Kilo's I did, got confirmed post, but didn't display yet
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: he said yes, did you see it?
[18:42] <Cryterion> no :(
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish
[18:42] <mazal> oi
[18:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "oi"
[18:42] <Kilos> rofl
[18:42] <Cryterion> the /unignore command not working
[18:42] <mazal> I knew I should have bought flowers ai !!
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "I knew I should have bought flowers ai !!"
[18:43] <Kilos> i love this channel
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> I found a purpose in life
[18:43] <Cryterion> lol
[18:43] <Kilos> everyone is nuts
[18:43] <Cryterion> Usage: UNIGNORE <mask> [QUIET]
[18:43] <Kilos> i feel at home here
[18:44] <Cryterion> mask would be mazal? QUIET?
[18:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: the correct answer of course is to not use xchat in the first place :)
[18:44] <mazal> Isn't mask that mazal*!* something something stuff ?
[18:44] <Cryterion> hmm, this is the only problem I'm having with xchat
[18:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> check in ~/.xchat or ~/.config/xchat, or whatnot, not sure where xchat stores config
[18:45] <Cryterion> Will look
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "Isn't mask that mazal*!* something something stuff ?"
[18:45] <mazal> Can't remember the masks , been too long since I last used it
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal says "Can't remember the masks , been too long since I last used it"
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[18:45] <Kilos> haha
[18:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok i'm done
[18:45] <mazal> Last time was when I banned someone , and that was loooooooooooooong ago
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: /nick notmazal
[18:46]  * Cryterion sees that
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> notmazal: say something
[18:47] <notmazal> something
[18:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: notmazal said "something"
[18:47] <notmazal> rofl
[18:48] <Cryterion> I can see notmazal, even saw the change mazal: /nick notmazal
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: everything that notmazal says, please privmsg it to Cryterion, thanks
[18:48] <Maaz> no probs, ThatGraemeGuy
[18:48] <notmazal> bwahahahaha
[18:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then you didn't ignore him usin mazal!*@*
[18:48] <Cryterion> double msg's now lol
[18:49] <Cryterion> no, but the chat display did say that
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> weir
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> +d
[18:49] <Cryterion> was an accidental click
[18:49]  * Cryterion restarts xchat
[18:50] <Kilos> wbcry
[18:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you should uninstall xchat, not restart it :-p
[18:50] <Kilos> ai!
[18:50] <Cryterion> tks
[18:50] <Kilos> wb Cryterion
[18:51] <Cryterion> lol
[18:51] <notmazal> Can I be me again now ?
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> install BitchX
[18:51] <Cryterion> Try, can only see
[18:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> is BitchX even a thing anymore, that's a bit of a history lesson
[18:51] <Cryterion> Now that sounds mean ThatGraemeGuy lol
[18:51] <mazal> something
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> we all used BitchX at some point waaay back in the 90s
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless you were using mIRC
[18:52] <superfly> except me
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> those were your options :-D
[18:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> or irssi
[18:52] <superfly> I didn't IRC in the 90s, to be honest.
[18:52] <mazal> I was a mirc guy
[18:52] <mazal> Had awesome stats generator for mirc :)
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoe i didnt even have a pc then
[18:53] <Cryterion> notmazal is now known as mazal (That's all I've seen from mazal, grrr)
[18:53] <Kilos> you guys are old
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wrote a mIRC script that ran a trivia game in a channel
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then ported it to Eggdrop
[18:53] <mazal> Yeah we had one of those in our channel
[18:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was pretty popular back then
[18:53] <mazal> Trivia and one that you had to guess words and stuff
[18:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.donaldson.za.net/eggdrop
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I even have the files still :)
[18:54] <notmazalagain> Maybe we used one of your script and don't even know it
[18:54] <Kilos> night guys. ive laughed me moeg tonight
[18:54] <Kilos> ty
[18:54] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:54] <superfly> now you get @TriviaBot in Telegram
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> a whole lot of ZA IRC networks had a channel or two with my trivia game running back then
[18:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> there was an acronym game as well
[18:56] <Cryterion> mazal are you there?
[18:56] <mazal> yes
[18:56] <Cryterion> working now :)
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: mazal says yes
[18:56] <Cryterion> ThatGraemeGuy, I got it fixed :)
[18:56] <mazal> Yay :)
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: mazal says Yay :)
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> hahaha
[18:57] <Cryterion> Lol
[18:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: Kilos said sleep tight, and then left
[18:57] <Cryterion> Kwl
[18:57] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, we had lot's of fun with that stuff back in the day
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wonder if that script would still work with a modern version of Eggdrop
[18:58] <Cryterion> I remember my mIrc days, and yes was also back in the 90's
[18:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> is Eggdrop even maintained anymore :-/
[18:58] <mazal> Then somebody at work discovered it and closed the server :(
[18:58] <Cryterion> Maaz: google Eggdrop
[18:58] <Maaz> Cryterion: "Eggheads.org - Main Index" http://www.eggheads.org/ :: "Eggheads.org - Downloads" http://www.eggheads.org/downloads/ :: "Eggdrop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggdrop :: "egghelp.org: what is an eggdrop?" http://www.egghelp.org/whatis.htm :: "egghelp.org" http://www.egghelp.org/ :: "egghelp.org: setting up an eggdrop"
[18:58] <Maaz> http://www.egghelp.org/setup.htm :: "egghelp.org: eggdrop files" http://www.egghelp.org/…
[18:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> eggheads.org is the official site
[19:00] <mazal> Was in 90's for me also , didn't even know about linux back then
[19:00] <mazal> Wish I did though
[19:00] <mazal> Or rather knew about it , but was ignorant
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I played with Slackware around that time but never ran it properly
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> in 2004 I ran Gentoo on my desktop
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> which was quite a brave thing to do in the 56k dial-up era
[19:01] <mazal> I was one of the " Linux is only for servers and can't be used as a desktop os " people
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/brave/dumb probably
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then there was bonded ISDN and Telkom's "R7 weekend"
[19:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone remember that? :-o
[19:02] <mazal> Oh I remember those
[19:04] <Cryterion> I switched to Linux about 2 years ago, I have about 3 months experience with windows 8, then through it out the window
[19:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> I started a job in 2009 as the designated windows guy in a mostly-Linux shop
[19:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> superfly remembers
[19:05] <superfly> :-D
[19:05] <Cryterion> Ah, that R7 all weekend telkom one, got pissed at my step-sister for picking up the phone which dc'd me, grrr
[19:05] <mazal> I started using linux in 2002 for my home file share server
[19:06] <mazal> Wasn't until 2008 that I tried it as a desktop
[19:06] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: though Shaun vN was "I'll never use Linux on my desktop!"
[19:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> Cryterion: yeah with bonded ISDN the R7 weekend turned into a R14 weekend, and if you got disconnected it was infuriating
[19:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol Shaun
[19:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> almost thought he was done for the other day, shame
[19:08] <Cryterion> especially if your all night download was coming off a non-resuming server ThatGraemeGuy
[19:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> he's working for some Nigerian eCommerce site, and flew up there. his wife contacted me via fb, desperate that she hadn't heard from him for several hours after he should've landed
[19:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> many hours later he popped up on fb, turned out he just had really bad signal all the time
[19:09] <superfly> heh
[19:10] <mazal> I'm gonna crash
[19:10] <mazal> Night guys , sleep well
[19:11] <Cryterion> Night mazal
[19:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, what he said ^^
[19:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all
[19:15] <superfly> heh
[19:48] <stickyboy> Renewing my ACM membership.
[21:07] <Cryterion> Maaz: what bot are you
[21:07] <Maaz> Cryterion: If you say so
[21:08] <Cryterion> Maaz: what version are you?
[21:08] <Maaz> Cryterion: One learns a new thing every day
[21:08] <superfly> Cryterion: ibid
[21:14] <inetpro> Maaz: last set factoid
[21:14] <Maaz> inetpro: It was: what version
[21:15] <inetpro> Maaz: forget what version
[21:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[21:15] <inetpro> Maaz: forget what bot
[21:15] <Maaz> inetpro: Alrighty
[21:15] <inetpro> time for some sleep
[21:16] <inetpro> good night
[21:19] <Cryterion> lol
[21:19] <Cryterion> night guys
[21:31] <Cryterion> oh and tks superfly