[00:13] <genii-around> !dle | mnaines
[00:13] <genii-around> !idle | mnaines
[00:13] <maco> genii-around: he's waiting for Flannel to return
[00:13] <maco> Flannel had to go deal with a server issue
[00:14] <genii-around> maco: OK, so legitimate
[00:14] <maco> aye
[00:14]  * genii-around hands mnaines a coffee
[00:14] <mnaines> maco, did the logs catch my comment about needing to go get dinner and that I would be right back?
[00:14] <maco> yes
[00:15] <mnaines> ok...Just wondering...
[00:15] <maco> i think genii missed it
[00:15] <mnaines> He can't read them himself?
[00:15] <maco> i dont think he scrolled up :P
[00:16] <genii-around> My irc client normally records all backlog but right now I'm on my backup
[00:16] <mnaines> backup?  Why?
[00:16] <maco> genii-around: the core's back up dude
[00:16] <genii-around> maco: Ah, thanks
[00:16] <maco> mnaines: because the server he and i use for irc was offline for a bit
[00:16] <mnaines> Ah...So you two are buddies
[00:17] <mnaines> Or is that the server that runs this room?
[00:17] <maco> no one of the other ops has a server that he lets some of us use
[00:17] <mnaines> Linux server?
[00:18] <genii-around> Yes.
[00:18] <maco> i assume so. the software we're using is called quassel
[00:18] <genii-around> maco: Still not up for me. I'll try again later
[00:18] <maco> we connect our quasselclients to the quassel core and then we dont miss what happens when we're offline because the core catches the scrollback
[00:19] <mnaines> Ah...So its a dedi
[00:19] <mnaines> (Gamer-speak for dedicated server, meaning a server that stays online even when the host signs off)
[00:19]  * genii sips
[00:20] <genii> Back.
[00:21] <mnaines> Another term gamers like myself use is "You have to pay to play", which we generally use to mean "If you want to run the good games, you have to pay to get a top-of-the-line system"
[00:21] <maco> hello corebuddy
[00:22] <maco> mnaines: and thats why console gaming is more fair
[00:22] <maco> wiat im OT now
[00:22]  * genii slips maco a nice Ubuntu mug of coffee
[00:22] <mnaines> Plus, console gaming is easier because then you don't have to crowd multiple TVs and game systems in one place just to have more than one person playing
[00:23] <mnaines> There's always a debate about which has better graphics and better performance, though I'm not going to start that debate up in here
[00:30] <mnaines> I've been waiting for you, Flannel
[00:31] <Flannel> I was off playing with electricity
[00:32] <mnaines> One of my biggest fears, even though I spend most of my time dissecting computers
[00:32] <mnaines> Flannel, I found a youtube video you'd like
[00:33] <mnaines> Only 3 minutes long, but is calm and anonymous, like watching a movie
[00:46] <mnaines> Anyway, you ready to finish our conversation about the banishment, flannel?
[00:49] <Flannel> Sure
[00:49]  * genii settles in
[00:52] <mnaines> Anyway, where were we before I left?
[00:55] <Flannel> We were discussing venting, how ubuntu channels aren't the place, real life, no one's trying to aggravate you, just keep ubuntu usable,
[00:55] <Flannel> In the opposite order of that, I was reading backwards, but those were recent topic stuffs
[00:57] <mnaines> Yeah...I usually can know when my stress level is going up, but sometimes, I get distracted and by the time I figure it out, its already too late
[01:00] <mnaines> Now, about removing that ban...?
[01:01] <Flannel> At the moment my biggest concern is how you'll react if the ops need to step in in the future, since you didn't react in the best of manners this time
[01:02] <mnaines> I don't know if you realize this, but some people do learn from their mistakes
[01:03] <Flannel> You don't need to get snippy.  We can't assume you've learned, but no one said you hadn't, that's why I'm asking.
[01:05] <mnaines> During our conversation before my dinner, I kept reiterating the fact that I am definitely trying to learn from my mistakes but that it is a time-consuming and challenging process on some of the things
[01:10] <Flannel> Alright.  Just know that being rude towards individuals will not be tolerated, so if someone points out that you're getting off topic, or ranting or whatever, you should respect that, instead of attacking them.
[01:12] <mnaines> Only reason I attacked them is because I felt I had no place to go to talk about random stuff
[01:13] <Flannel> Er, how does that work?  Instead of asking where you can go, you attack someone for reminding you to follow the rules?
[01:14] <mnaines> Up until this morning, people had been trying to keep the off-topic room on the subject of Ubuntu as well, but as the day progressed, it turned into a place for ubuntu users to talk about random stuff...That's the way it should have been all this time
[01:15] <mnaines> I figure as long as the conversations are clean, it should be a place for anyone in the Ubuntu community to talk about anything not pertaining to technical support
[01:16] <Flannel> It's always been a place for random stuff as long as it's in the spirit of Ubuntu.  No one tries to keep the topics ubuntu only
[01:17] <mnaines> It just seemed like people were trying to keep it ubuntu-related...I just wanted it to be a place where Ubuntu users could go when they don't need tech help
[01:17] <Flannel> No, it's not kept ubuntu related, and you know that, having participated it in over the past few days.
[01:18] <mnaines> Yeah...It just happened that when I got to talking about Windows in that room, several admins complained about it
[01:18] <mnaines> That's why I thought that
[01:19] <mnaines> The problem with talking bad about Windows in a Windows room is then you start getting hated like the plague
[01:20] <Flannel> mnaines: There's a difference between having a conversation and going off on a monologue or a rant.  I believe the latter is what was taken exception to.
[01:21] <mnaines> I am trying to break that habit...I have always had a habit of rambling on about random stuff when I get bored
[01:21] <Flannel> If you're being engaging to the rest of the channel, and everything is in the spirit of Ubuntu, there's no reason for it to be stopped.
[01:22] <mnaines> If by "in the spirit of Ubuntu" you mean keeping it on the topic of Ubuntu, well, you now understand what my complaint is
[01:22] <mneptok> !o4o
[01:22] <Flannel> No, "in the spirit of ubuntu" has nothing to do with being related to Ubuntu
[01:23] <mnaines> Basically what I interpret the off-topic room to be is a place for open discussion among Ubuntu users...Its just a place where Ubuntu users can go when they don't need help so they don't make too much noise in the support room...
[01:23] <Flannel> Keep the code of conduct and the IRC guidelines in mind and use those as a meter of appropriateness of conversation.
[01:24] <Flannel> No one's saying it isn't, nor have they said it isn't.
[01:24] <Flannel> but "open" doesn't mean "everything"
[01:24] <mnaines> As long as my interpretations and the real thing are both the same, I can understand that
[01:25] <mnaines> I didn't think operating system conversations were that controversial
[01:25] <mnaines> I also didn't think debates were controversial
[01:25] <Flannel> No, they're not.  But you weren't having a conversation at that point, if I remember correctly.
[01:26] <Flannel> I might be mistaken, I wasn't paying attention
[01:27] <mnaines> I thought I was just stating my beliefs but not directing them at any one person
[01:27] <Flannel> Perhaps you should ask the people who asked you to stop, they'll definately be able to clarify
[01:27] <Flannel> If I knew who they were, I'd ping them for you.
[01:28] <mnaines> Don't waste your time...
[01:28] <mneptok> Flannel: mind if i interject something quickly?
[01:28] <Flannel> Well, there's obviously a question about it, and having clarification should lead to a decrease in conflict in the future.
[01:28]  * mneptok has to go make dinner soon
[01:28] <Flannel> mneptok: By all means
[01:28] <mneptok> mnaines: as regards you discussing your hatred of Windows ...
[01:29] <mneptok> mnaines: you know that Linux is a pile of crap developed by a Finnish mouth-breather, and that anyone that uses it is a knuckle-dragging troglodyte that only obeys a herd mentality. right?
[01:29] <mneptok> mnaines: i suggest OpenBSD. real men use that. you're obviously a Linux loser.
[01:30] <mneptok> mnaines: now ... does that make you feel particularly warm toward the OpenBSD community?
[01:30] <mnaines> I wouldn't be surprised, mneptok...Most of the more user-friendly distros don't teach command-line, so I will agree they aren't all that great
[01:30] <mneptok> mnaines: does it make you think "wow, maybe this person is onto something. they sound like a fun, understanding, and capable group. i want to check that out!"

[01:31] <mnaines> Try getting away with that in a Windows room
[01:31] <mneptok> in short, "you draw more flies with honey."
[01:32] <mneptok> want to convert a Windows user? help them get their machine working again, even though all the supposed MCSE's they have talked to have failed.
[01:32] <mnaines> It also depends on how well you can tolerate insults...I've seen people who go ballistic the moment they feel insulted
[01:32] <mneptok> when they thank you, say something along the lines of, "i'm actually surprised i could help. i haven't used Windows much in years. i use Linux. ask me about it sometime."

[01:33] <mneptok> nome sane?
[01:34] <mneptok> you don't really get ahead by shoving the other guy backwards.
[01:34] <mnaines> To me, "the people who really know computers" are the ones who can work on any computer regardless of the OS and are not biased towards or against any one OS
[01:34] <mneptok> mnaines: exactly.
[01:34] <mneptok> mnaines: and you sound damned biased.
[01:35] <mneptok> ennyhoo, off to make dinner.
[01:35] <mnaines> I don't see it as biased...I see it as telling them the truth...Every one of the techies I know won't say anything bad about anything they work on because they make money selling people things they don't need
[01:35] <mneptok> think about that. and thanks for the airtime Flannel.
[01:36] <mnaines> I don't work like that most of the time...My business strategy with my own computer company is telling people everything about a product, including its disadvantages or flaws, then letting the customer decide on their own which one they want
[01:38] <mnaines> I let the product sell itself...I just tell the customer everything they want to know about the product
[01:39] <mnaines> It pays off for me because that generates repeat business...Customers see that and say "This guy isn't pushy and isn't trying to sell me something I don't need, so I'm definitely coming back here if I need something"
[01:39] <Flannel> #ubuntu isn't about selling anything.  It's about providing support.    Obviously they have a need for windows, or want to give it a try, or whatever.
[01:40] <spO> hi
[01:40] <mnaines> Yeah, but in that case, I would tell them what flaws Windows has them let them decide if they want to take that risk
[01:40] <mnaines> If they need windows, maybe they can find a way to off-set those flaws
[01:40] <mnaines> Or maybe you can tell them how to
[01:41] <spO> can you guys please unban me from #ubuntu , i was banned because i was trolling in #launchpad , but i didn't do anything like trolling in #ubuntu .  I was trolling because i wanted a ban, but i don't know why i was banned from another channel or someone had botnet scripts or something
[01:42] <spO> i mean if i troll in #politics , that means i get a banned from #ubuntu?
[01:42] <Flannel> mnaines: #ubuntu is not the place for your evangelism.  Moreso, you weren't telling them flaws, you were telling them anecdotes, and in one case, a flat out lie.  Making someone worry about dual booting isn't going to make them want to give up Windows.
[01:42] <spO> come on, we can have  contextual ethics, we don't need to be so universal
[01:42] <mneptok> spO: you were banned because i felt your behavior in #launchpad was egregious enough to warrant the bad karma in other Ubuntu-related channels.
[01:43] <mnaines> mneptok: Can I interject into that for a second?
[01:43] <mneptok> mnaines: you may not.
[01:44] <spO> mneptok, that is fine , personally, but i don't understand how feelings merits anything in a rational universe  (ie, i don't know what feelings has to do with anything whereas rational is superior),. Furthermore, i would like a third party to intervene in decision making if you are going to use your feelings in judgment rather than rational
[01:44] <mnaines> Aww...I was simply going to give the Golden Rule
[01:44] <spO> i assure you , i did not mean to cause grief or fear of any behavior in #ubuntu
[01:45] <spO> i didn't intend on doing anything in there
[01:45] <mneptok> spO: jussi01 said he would discuss it. but remember, trying an exploit in ANY channel on Freenode gets you banned from the network. by your logic, anyone trying an exploit cannot be removed from the network until they try it in every channel. that's simply insane.
[01:45] <spO> i would like someone else to intervene if you are going to use mystic like concepts that i do not really understand , like "karma"
[01:46] <mneptok> spO: well, that intervention will not be happening now, as jussi_01 is asleep.
[01:46] <mneptok> spO: try either very late tonight US time, or tomorrow.
[01:46] <spO> if you want to be vendictive or overzealous, can you please gline me from all of freenode ?
[01:47] <spO> to further your point
[01:47] <spO> because your feelings merit something or because karma is something qualifiable
[01:48] <spO> ie, i did lots of bad things to ants this morning, that makes karma ought to attack me via gline
[01:48] <mneptok> spO: repeat the behavior you exhibited in #launchpad in #freenode and other channels, and i'm sure Freenode staff would be happy to oblige.
[01:48] <spO> you suggested that one channel has the same rules of all channels, and that trolling in one channel merits (feeling or karma based) bans in other channels
[01:49] <spO> ie, so ban me from all channels
[01:49] <spO> seriously, you are overzealous, and i will come back later
[01:49] <spO> i don't understand why you don't just put your feelings in check
[01:49] <mneptok> your reductio ad absurdum is a weak and flawed strategy.
[01:51] <spO> i am attacking your logic as absurd based on its merits of being feeling or karma based
[01:51] <spO> instead of rationally based
[01:52] <mneptok> good night, spO.
[01:52] <mneptok> this is not going to be resolved now.
[01:52] <mneptok> you need to wait for jussi_01
[01:52] <mneptok> please leave until then.
[01:53] <mneptok> some context for the morbidly curious: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/261023/
[01:59] <mnaines> No wonder he got kicked out
[02:00] <mnaines> He seems to be the type of person who doesn't even realize what he did was wrong
[02:00] <mnaines> I'm willing to hazard a guess that he's a teenager
[02:01] <mnaines> Young and cocky, and like all teenagers, he seems to think everything that happens is someone else's fault
[02:03] <mnaines> Unfortunately, I must speak my mind about that and say that society is to blame for that sort of thing...Adults make that same mistake, and their children see that behavior and think it is perfectly acceptable because the adults go unpunished for pointing fingers
[02:04] <mnaines> A person not taking responsibility for their actions sets a bad example for their children and for anyone who looks up to them
[02:05] <mnaines> Far too many people get away with pointing fingers these days
[02:06] <mnaines> It happens sometimes IRL, too, when men get drunk and a woman ends up pregnant...Some of those men then think its not their kid and that's when things just go downhill
[02:08] <mnaines> I've also met teenagers who have an "All women are good for is sex" mentality, and I do my best to stay as far away from them as I can, but it sickens me that there are people like that in this world
[02:09] <mnaines> And then there are the teenagers who have an "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" mentality...And their parents think they are perfect little angels who can do no wrong
[02:10] <mnaines> These are the same kind of parents who buy their teenagers high-horsepower hotrods and expect their kids to "drive safely"
[02:13] <mnaines> As a cop once told me..."If you tell the truth, you will still get in trouble, but the consequences will not be as severe as they would be if you lie to me"
[02:13] <mnaines> The cop then said "If you tell me the truth, I may consider letting you go with just a warning"
[02:16] <mnaines> That stemmed from a time I got pulled over for having a broken headlight...I told the cop I had a knife on me and then I told him if he lets me out of the car, I'll prove to him that he can trust me and put the knife on the hood of his car...He obliged and after that, he asked if there were anymore weapons in the car, and when I said no, he told me to tell him the truth, so I gave him consent to search the car and it turned out it was the truth
[02:17] <mnaines> After everything was all said and done, he wrote me a fix-it ticket for the broken headlight then sent me on my way...I wasn't nailed for carrying a concealed weapon
[02:18] <Pici> !idle
[02:20] <mnaines> Pici: I was waiting to finish my conversation with Flannel about my own banishment...Since he went quiet after mneptok was interrupted, I figured I might as well voice my opinion on what happened
[02:21] <Flannel> I'm here, just biding time
[02:22] <mnaines> Me, too...I don't believe we have anything more to discuss about my ban, Flannel.  I think it should be clear by now that your questions have been answered
[02:22] <mnaines> Unless you still have questions...
[02:23] <Flannel> mnaines: So you'll be better about getting input from people in the future, yes?
[02:24] <mnaines> I can't make promises, Flannel...I rarely ever do in situations like this because I doubt I can keep them.  All I can say is, I am working as hard as I can to keep myself under control
[02:25] <Flannel> Alright.  I'll go ahead and remove the ban, just remember everything that's been covered over the past few days.  Hopefully you won't have to join this channel again in the future.
[02:26] <mnaines> If I do, it should hopefully not be about a ban...
[02:27] <mnaines> I may come in here again if incidents like what mneptok had to deal with come up, or if I get wind of malicious users
[02:28] <Flannel> Right, you're always welcome to let us know about problems, etc.
[02:28] <Flannel> My comment was just about in this sort of situation, not in general.
[02:29] <Flannel> However if there's nothing else for us to discuss at the moment, I will ask you please not to idle here.
[02:29] <mnaines> Very well
[02:30] <Flannel> Oh shoot
[02:30] <Flannel> forgot to verify his ban is removed
[02:30] <Flannel> Well, BT says it is, so I'll go by that
[02:31] <Flannel> and of course, can't message him.
[02:31]  * Flannel grumbles.
[02:52] <maco> he's in #ubuntu, so it is
[02:52] <Flannel> Indeed.  Running at full speed touching as many topics as he can.
[02:53] <Flannel> Or he was, he may've slowed down now.  Hopefully.
[02:57] <maco> hey, clocks. i should learn to use them
[03:08] <Flannel> er?
[03:31] <bazhang> casa flooding nonsense in #kubuntu
[05:04] <spO> hi
[05:05] <spO> i am banned from #ubuntu  , how long am i banned?  i am banned because i was trolling in another channel , #launchpad  ,  i didn't know the two channels were interconnected or that banning in one channel merited banning in another (for reasons of karma or feelings)
[05:05] <spO> i am sorry
[05:07] <spO> mostly, i thought feelings could be used to justify generousity or caring for others, but i didn't take into account about how feelings of anger or some other related feelings were good justification
[05:08] <spO> this is probably some kind of cultural misunderstanding  ... (hence, also not understadning or taking into account karma based actions)
[05:21] <Flannel> spO: While you're here waiting for jussi 01, I'm curious.  Why did you decide to troll #launchpad?
[05:54] <spO> because i thought it would be an entertaining way to part the channel including inhibit my autojoin list
[05:54] <spO> ie, i wanted to get banned
[05:55] <spO> from that channel because i have too many opened channels and i need to also inhibit my auto join list
[05:56] <spO> i wanted to get banned from that #launchpad , but if i wanted to get banned from any other channel including #ubuntu , i would have trolled in any other channel to,  But i didn't troll in any other channel
[05:56] <spO> thus, i was surprised about getting banned from other channels
[05:56] <Flannel> spO: So, whenever you decide you don't want to be in a channel anymore, you'll just troll so you get banned?
[05:57] <spO> if i don't want to be in a channel anymore and i want to stop autojoining that channel,  getting banned from that channel is one way
[05:58] <spO> alternatively i could have asked for a ban rather than trolled
[05:58] <spO> or i could have parted and changed my autojoin list
[05:58] <Madpilot> most people just modify their IRC client's startup setup, you know...
[05:59] <spO> i guess
[08:52] <ikonia> spO: jussi01 is not around at the moment. Please come back later
[13:14] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[17:48] <ryanakca> Is there anything to do for someone who's been reconnecting to #kubuntu-devel every minute or half or so since 11? (Now 12:47) ... They've stopped for a few minutes, but if/when it restarts...
[17:54] <Amaranth> ryanakca: find someone in the access list
[17:55] <Amaranth> ryanakca: looks like they're all away for several hours/days though
[17:56] <Amaranth> you could see if staff would step in, they're on the access list (twice actually)
[17:56] <Amaranth> hmm, they're away too
[17:56] <Amaranth> ryanakca: Looks like the answer is there is nothing we can do right now
[17:56] <nhandler> Need something?
[17:57] <Amaranth> nhandler: Apparently #kubuntu-devel is having some problems with someone with a bad connection and everyone on the access list is gone
[17:57] <Amaranth> I guess if they keep up we need a forward to ##fix_your_connection or whatever :P
[17:58] <nhandler> jussi01 might be around
[17:58] <Amaranth> idle 3 hours right now but I don't know what timezone
[17:59] <mneptok> ryanakca: one mo'
[17:59] <nhandler> If not, and if he continues to have connection problems, I can step in if desired
[17:59] <mneptok> ryanakca: nick?
[17:59]  * mneptok is on the #k access list
[17:59] <Amaranth> mneptok: no you aren't...
[17:59] <Amaranth> mneptok: #kubuntu-devel
[18:00] <mneptok> oh
[18:16] <nhandler> I set a ban forward on him to ##fix_your_connection. Would someone here like to explain the issue to him when he joins there? Otherwise, I can
[18:22] <ikonia> nhandler: no problem
[18:47] <ryanakca> nhandler: thanks
[18:48] <nhandler> ryanakca: You are welcome
[18:52] <Alvinware> Where's the #ubuntu channel now?
[19:54] <Flannel> !away > papapep
[19:54] <Flannel> !away > Ph`
[20:46] <Flannel> Anyone else get a CTCP ping from losher?
[20:48] <nhandler> Nope


[03:42] <mathor> Has anyone gotten a chance to test Mir? How stable is it?
[03:44] <kdef> looking for help for 13.04...  I regretfully upgraded and now I cannot start firefox
[03:44] <vwade79> hey, i installed 13.04 on my virtualbox on ubuntu 12.04. it installed fine and then when i reboot, the login screen shows up. then theres a black screen and it says 13.04 has encoundtered a problem
[03:45] <vwade79> this should  be almost bugless considering its being released in a few weeks
[03:45] <vwade79> a week*
[03:45] <kdef> it's horrible
[03:46] <kdef> I cannot start firefox... muon comes up with crash messages
[03:46] <kdef> I am using kubuntu, though
[03:46] <kdef> I went to #kubuntu but bots sent me here
[03:46] <vwade79> kdef, try reinstalling
[03:47] <kdef> :-(
[03:47] <mathor> It is recommended that you do a clean install as opposed to doing an upgrade, as it leads to dependency issues.
[03:47] <kdef> I customized everything and now gotta re-install?
[03:47] <vwade79> no reinstall firefix
[03:47] <kdef> why have upgrades at all then?
[03:48] <kdef> so every time there is a new edition, you have to re-install?
[03:49] <kdef> mathor, I hear ya though... that's what I've usually done but tired of it... it's absurd :(
[03:49] <wilee-nilee> you all are not critically reasoning. ;)
[03:49] <kdef> vwade, I'm afraid its' a bug... I already found my bug is a kde bug...  for muon and many others reporting same problem
[03:50] <vwade79> so remove kde?
[03:50] <kdef> also, chrome tabs at the bottom become corrupted... cannot read text on the tab
[03:51] <vwade79> lol why so many bugs when this is released in a week
[03:51] <vwade79> theres some serious work to be done
[03:51] <vwade79> i cant even boot
[03:51] <kdef> really?
[03:51] <vwade79> login*
[03:51] <vwade79> at least something shows up
[03:51] <kdef> and you're trying an upgrade of ubuntu 13.04?
[03:51] <vwade79> no
[03:52] <vwade79> virtualbox
[03:52] <vwade79> fresh
[03:52] <vwade79> the login shows up
[03:52] <vwade79> then i enter pass and press enter
[03:52] <kdef> oh well
[03:52] <vwade79> then black screen
[03:52] <vwade79> and ubuntu crashes
[03:52] <kdef> I don't think it's a good test on virtualbox really
[03:52] <kdef> too many variables
[03:52] <mathor> virtualbox rarely boots stable stuff for me correctly
[03:53] <kdef> you have the right extension pack?   I think it's difficult to assess what's wrong
[03:53] <vwade79> aww
[03:53] <vwade79> now i need to live boot
[03:53] <vwade79> o well
[03:53] <vwade79> it was worth a shot
[03:53] <vwade79> thanks
[03:53] <vwade79> guys
[03:53] <kdef> I don't think I helped.. no need to help me ;)
[03:54] <kdef> i mean, to thank me
[03:54] <vwade79> lol
[03:54] <kdef> cannot type ;)
[03:54] <vwade79> did u try removing kde?
[03:54] <kdef> no
[03:54] <vwade79> idk what it is, a quick google told me its a addon gui
[03:54] <kdef> i didn't
[03:54] <vwade79> try it
[03:54] <kdef> it's the DE
[03:55] <vwade79> wahts that lol sorry im a noob
[03:55] <vwade79> only been using ubuntu for 2 days
[03:56] <kdef> desktop environment
[03:57] <kdef> like unity is the DE for ubuntu
[04:03] <vwade79> o
[04:03] <vwade79> ok
[05:38] <yeahuyen> im having trouble backing up using ubuntu one
[05:38] <yeahuyen> getting a bad request error
[07:55] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:04] <MonkeyDust> glitch: unable to set colours as desktop background
[09:35] <bau> hi all, I'm trying to install amd drivers on ubuntu 13.04, using "The Fan Club", but I have an error when it tries to create the deb file after the download, it says: Failed to build Ubuntu Deb installation package The application will now close what can I do?
[09:38] <bau> with beta drivers seems to work
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:40] <hays_> woot one more week
[14:19] <johnjohn101> i made the mistake of installing evolution and uninstalling it.  it left something call evolution-alarm-notify on my system.  how do i get rid of this error?
[14:58] <Konstigt> no audio after some updates the other day, using HDMI (driver nvidia-313-updates). known issue?
[14:58] <Konstigt> in sound settings it's not even listed as it was before
[15:05] <Konstigt> problem went away after installing v3.8.7-raring kernel from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> hmm, I'm not getting any sound in my browser, not chrome, not firefox. Also not in totem
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> anyone an idea?
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> VLC works fine
[15:08] <Ian_Corne> spotify too
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, got pulseaudio ?
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> err, I guess so
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> I didn't do anythign special :p
[15:10] <Ian_Corne> it's installed
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> Spotify and vlc also work fine side by side
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> so it's not the old only one app can use the sound
[15:12] <BluesKaj> the symptoms seem the same as mine, without pulseaudio installed
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> I've had it before, but I think it got fixed
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> but I'm not sure :p
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> Updating right now
[15:13] <Ian_Corne> I'll see if it works with that
[15:13] <BluesKaj> my symptoms were , no audio on sites that use flash
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> Yes, it's flash
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> I don't know anything else that produces sound :p
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> but also totem BluesKaj ?
[15:14] <philinux> Ian_Corne: try booting the previoous kernel
[15:14] <BluesKaj> flv files on the pc worked fine , but I had no web audio , all the players worked fine
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> I'll try the newer one first, and then an older one
[15:25] <speedy_> I screwed things up after updating to 13.04, seems the display driver fglrx doesn't support the ATI graphics card, how to enable open source display driver?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> speedy , alt+f2, type, additional drivers , to bring up any available optional drivers
[15:28] <speedy_> BluesKaj, the whole unity is gone, and I get lots of crash reports, I cant event do alt+f2
[15:29] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, check the sound applet
[15:30] <speedy_> BluesKaj, gone in the sense of cannot work, there is no top bar, and there are no icons on the left side
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> Aha
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider:
[15:30] <bjsnider> i don't know what point there woulld be to booting a previous kernel if most audio works. the kernel has nothing to do with flash
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> selected a different sound thingy
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> and it works now
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> Thansk
[15:30] <bjsnider> oh, it was a thingy problem
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> :D
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> err
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> sound output device?
[15:31] <bjsnider> yeah, i get it
[15:32] <bjsnider> sometimes i get the impression people don't know they  have a sound applet, or know what it's for
[15:33] <speedy_> I can access console to issue commands, I remember there was a way to enable the open source display driver
[15:36] <bjsnider> speedy_, just remove fglrx
[15:37] <bjsnider> the server will select the next best driver, which is going to be radeon
[15:37] <speedy_> bjsnider, trying that now, thanks!
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: well I checked there
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> but didn't change the device
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> just checked the application specific sound volumes
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> and they were fine
[15:40] <bjsnider> tweaks in there are going to be frequently necessary, as they haven't worked out all the kinks in pulse at this point in time
[15:47] <BluesKaj> yeah pulse is a pita for me but I need it for web audio , otherwise alsa does the job on local media files ...I've experimented by purging pulse and running my local media and it allworks , just audio on sites that use flash.
[15:47] <BluesKaj> don't
[15:48] <bjsnider> flash uses alsa, not pulse. browsers use alsa too
[15:49] <bjsnider> if you look at the applet, it says alsa plug-in when flash is using audio
[15:50] <rymate1234> Hey
[15:50] <rymate1234> Why is there no compiz-kde package in 13.04?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, I don't have that applet , kde here.
[15:51] <genii-around> rymate1234: Because kwin has it's own compositing
[15:51] <bjsnider> i think kde has an applet
[15:51] <rymate1234> Maybe I want to use compiz?
[15:51] <bjsnider> if it doesn't, it's robbing users of control they need'
[15:51] <rymate1234> And compiz-kde was in 12.04
[15:52] <BluesKaj> it has kmix , but there's no indicator telling when alsa-plugin is enabled
[15:53] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, ok do you use pulse ?
[15:53] <bjsnider> of course
[15:54] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:55] <BluesKaj>  if alsa can work with flash like it used to back around 11.04 then I wouldn't bother with it , but alsa no longer works with flash on websites on my setup
[15:55] <BluesKaj> it needs the pulse link
[15:56] <BluesKaj> or layer
[15:58] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, http://i.imgur.com/3bIVbJ4.png
[15:58] <BluesKaj> "I wouldn't bother with it" , means pulseaudio
[15:58] <bjsnider> one of those is talking to pulse directly. the other is talking to alsa
[16:06] <bjsnider> compiz-kde is not in quantal either
[16:07] <rymate1234> ah
[16:07] <rymate1234> ok then
[16:07] <rymate1234> 2nd problem
[16:07] <rymate1234> kwin compositing doesn't work
[16:07] <rymate1234> Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values.
[16:07] <rymate1234> Check your X configuration.   Anyone got an idea on this?  When using touchscreen input on 13.04, i lose focus and can't click on anything in the unity desktop.  If I set the onscreen  keyboard program to "doubleclick," it properly refocuses on the desktop and selects the action (opening, closing something, minimize etc), but only for that one action.
[16:38] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[16:39] <ShapeShifter499> I noticed something I haven't before, ability to link your google account and search everything  via the unity dash, was this included in 13.04?
[16:41] <ShapeShifter499> it is entirely possible I installed something that added this feature but never used it or forgot I had
[16:44] <servantes> Hey guys, how you doing? :)
[16:44] <ShapeShifter499> anyone know?
[16:44] <servantes> Just did a fresh install of 13.04 cause I switched drives and decided just to start over. But, I am having a couple issues
[16:45] <servantes> First, I would just like to let you guys know that I have a good base of linux knowledge as it has been my primary desktop for the past 12 years. I am not trying to gloat, It is just that I know aroundhere a lot of times people try to go towards the lowest common denominator so to speak.
[16:46] <servantes> So anyway, first issue that software-center completely crashes after starting it.
[16:46] <servantes> I have the output from the terminal with a miny strace I believe
[16:47] <servantes> It's not a HUGE issue for me, because I rarely use it. All my applications and such are installed, removed, configured etc via the terminal using dpkg and apt
[16:47] <servantes> But regardless, software-center is on of the key parts of the distro, I would expect it to work. I will pastebin the error in a second
[16:48] <servantes> Here is the detailed error from launching via terminal: http://pastebin.com/eajDx7eD
[16:49] <servantes> It does launch, and you can see the program for a second or two, and then imediate crash.
[16:49] <servantes> So, if someone can help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it.  :)
[16:50] <servantes> My second issue is google-chrome, I have never experienced an issue installing the official chrome package in ubuntu or any other distro, even on 13.04. But right now, it will not install using dpkg or even gdebi (which would pull in any needed dependencies to satisfy it)
[16:51] <servantes> When I go to install via dpkg or gdebi, it says the dependcy package libudev0 is not met. I have tried installing the packaqge by hand, but its installable
[16:51] <servantes> not installable*
[16:56] <tgm4883> servantes, the second issue is Google's not Ubuntu's
[16:56] <servantes> Ok, great
[16:57] <servantes> its still not the issue I really care for
[16:57] <tgm4883> servantes, the first, I'm not sure on. Are you launching that from the terminal as a regular user?
[16:58] <servantes> Yes, launching from terminal and the applications menu
[16:58] <servantes> Same problem with both, lemme try giving it elevated perms
[16:58] <tgm4883> servantes, nah, shouldn't need elevated priviledges. I don't have my 13.04 system here to test though
[16:59] <servantes> i know it shouldnt
[16:59] <servantes> but it could produce something else
[17:00] <servantes> Like I said above, I have plenty of exxperience, and I understand ubuntu channels normally tend to gravitate towards the lowest common denominator user, but its not needed in my case :)
[17:00] <servantes> BTW, I am not trying to offend by that
[17:00] <servantes> Just trying to get by the fluff, and down to business
[17:01] <tgm4883> servantes, I'm assuming launching 'software-center-gtk3' from the terminal has the same results?
[17:01] <servantes> tgm4883, this is funny, software center works with elevated priv (sudo)
[17:01] <servantes> ill try it
[17:02] <servantes> nope, adding the gtk3 gives the same issue.
[17:02] <servantes> so, im guessing its something in my .BLAH in my ~/
[17:02] <servantes> like a rouge setting
[17:03] <servantes> i would have no idea what though, im gonna try purging the package and reinstalling
[17:03] <jbicha> servantes: are you using the GNOME3 PPA?
[17:04] <servantes> yup
[17:04] <servantes> but it was working after updating to 3.8
[17:04] <servantes> I did check that
[17:05] <servantes> jbicha, did you find someone with a similar issue or something?
[17:05] <servantes> if so, please let me know
[17:05] <jbicha> Software Center crashing is a known issue, but we don't know what's wrong yet; I hadn't seen the sudo workaround yet though
[17:05] <servantes> ok so it is known
[17:05] <servantes> thats nice
[17:05] <servantes> yup, sudo launches it fine
[17:05] <jbicha> I believe it works if you ppa-purge the gnome3 ppa
[17:06] <servantes> ppa-purge, unfortunately I am not familiar with what exactly that does, being that I am more pure debian centric
[17:06] <servantes> What does that actually do?
[17:06] <servantes> You dont mean remove the ppa entirely, right?
[17:06] <jbicha> yes but ppa-purge helps to do it safely
[17:06] <servantes> ick, nah
[17:07] <jbicha> you shouldn't use the gnome3 ppas if you don't know how to use ppa-purge but it shouldn't be too difficult to learn how to use it
[17:07] <servantes> Like I said earlier, software-center isnt something I use anyway
[17:07] <jbicha> anyway it's bug 1163886
[17:07] <servantes> thanks
[17:07] <servantes> As long as its a known bug, i am fine
[17:07] <servantes> I use dpkg anyway
[17:08] <servantes> And at the moment, if I want a GUI for clicking debs I downloading and install them without terminal, I use gdebi
[17:08] <servantes> Which is hella better than software-center anyway
[17:08] <servantes> Dont get me wrong, software-center is fine, but for installing one package, gdebi is the better tool GUI wise
[17:09] <servantes> No need to open an entire app market to install one package that isnt in that app market/repo anyway
[17:09] <servantes> Just like ubuntu used to use gdebi :)
[17:10] <servantes> jbicha, i appreciate it though. I wouldve looked for the bug, but I was already on freenode, so figured I would popin and ask before I went digging in my browser
[17:13] <servantes> jbicha and tgm4883 have a good day :)
[17:16] <servantes> Dangit, jbicha one more thing
[17:16] <servantes> Cause this a fresh install I hadnt enabled my irc logs, what was that bug number
[17:17] <servantes> Oh wait, nvm. I see I have a small backlog automatically when entering a channel.  I see it
[17:17] <servantes> Thanks again :)
[17:37] <smallfoot-> Today, I updated the Mesa packages, and now a game (Tibia) wont work anymore, it segfaults at startup
[17:41] <rymate1234> Maximum number of clients reached
[17:41] <rymate1234> what's that error?
[17:42] <rymate1234> happens whenever I launch a program
[18:02] <rymate1234> ok
[18:02] <rymate1234> fixed
[18:02] <smallfoot-> Today, I updated the Mesa packages, and now a game (Tibia) wont work anymore, it segfaults at startup
[18:02] <rymate1234> akonadi appears to spawn lots of processes
[18:03] <rymate1234> smallfoot-: report a bug?
[18:04] <smallfoot-> how?
[18:04] <smallfoot-> Tibia is a proprietary game and not in repo
[18:04] <smallfoot-> Mesa has many packages
[18:04] <rymate1234> idk then
[18:27] <smallfoot-> timo allthonen broke mesa
[18:27] <smallfoot-> it is  KernelFreeze, NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline and shit now
[18:27] <smallfoot-> and he updated mesa
[18:27] <smallfoot-> and now stuff stopps working
[18:28] <bazhang> smallfoot-, no cursing here
[18:28] <smallfoot-> ok sry
[18:30] <smallfoot-> and tomorrow is final freeze
[18:44] <cebor> is there a way to execute *.sh files by double clicking in nautilus, like in previous versions of ubuntu ??
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> !find ia32
[19:25] <smallfoot-> bazhang, I found a bug in Mesa and it has importance HIGH, I also installed debug symbol libraries ran debugger with backtrace!
 smallfoot-, thanks that's helpful.  Mind a few more steps to gather some extra data?
[19:26] <smallfoot-> bryce harrington (famous cool ubuntu guy) said thanks :D
[19:26] <bazhang> thats great smallfoot-
[19:26] <smallfoot-> cuz am helpin these duds out fixing ubuntu
[19:26] <bazhang> thats what this distro is all about
[19:26] <smallfoot-> yeah!! :D
[19:26] <smallfoot-> am rly proud now! :D
[19:33] <zAo^> Hi, can anyone help me on getting my wifi to work with the gui? I got it working via the CLI, but it doesnt show up in Unity
[19:34] <minas> after upgrading to 13.04, there is no option in "sound manager" for HDMI output (it worked in 12.10, and yes, the cable is connected :) )
[19:54] <minas> when upgraded to 13.04 I get no sound from HDMI (no option listed in "sounds"). How can this be solved?
[19:56] <roasted> hello friends
[19:56] <roasted> Anybody using unity tweak tool? I'm finding that the hot corner feature does not work on a dual monitor setup...
[20:15] <ShapeShifter499> I just went through my sources, swapping them out for their "raring" versions but I noticed that the Steam package has placed a repo in there and that it is for "precise" although I had just been on 12.10 before updating, does this mean steam doesn't have a different repo for 12.10 and 13.04?
[20:19] <jtaylor> they probably only have a 12.04 repo
[20:20] <ShapeShifter499> Thats what I'm thinking, ok I'll re-enable that
[20:21] <jtaylor> you can use precise just fine, the package is just a bash script which downloads more stuff so far I know
[20:22] <ShapeShifter499> jtaylor, I know, just making sure I have the latest script that points to raring kernel friendly stuff
[20:50] <mrjoel> leh sigh... I hate it when issues that should seem minor, completely vex me.  How can I set up firefox to use pinch to zoom and 2-finger scrolling gestures?
[20:51] <Imposible> hi all, could help with installing bumblebee? I've tried several ways and can not get it to work
[20:54] <BluesKaj> mrjoel, ctrl + to zoom, ctrl - to shrink , 2 finger scrolling ?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> I just us the arrow keys
[20:55] <mrjoel> yes blues :)  I'm trying to set up a system with no keyboard or mouse access, just screen (like a tablet basically)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> mrjoel, laptop eh?
[20:57] <mrjoel> i can drag the scrollbar down to scroll down a page, but it isn't "user friendly", suppose i could have a firefox plugin with zoom buttons, but same thing... wondering if i could do better
[20:58] <mrjoel> nope, thin client and a 27" monitor
[20:58] <mrjoel> gonna mount it in a workcell
[20:59] <tigrang> Anyone using spotify and recently notice that if you lock spotify launcher to the dock and launch it, it creates 2 icons now
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> I do, didn't notice that yet
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> I'll check it out tomorow, after fresh reboot with latest updates
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> Do you also always get "offline access has been revoked for this device"?
[21:28] <Ian_Corne> Maybe it's because I sync to too many devices though
[22:45] <Guest78104> i try again today. i have trouble updating ubuntu 13.04 (amd64). the software updater says this: Failed to download repository information Check your Internet connection
[22:46] <Guest78104> someone able to help?
[22:49] <Guest78104> this is what i get in terminal: http://pastebin.com/RjX3fXS7
[22:55] <Guest78104> it is a clean install done after the kernel freeze so i presumed most bugs should be sorted out. is it possible to get some support here, or do i have to wait for the final release and download again then?
[22:56] <jtaylor> how long have you been seeing this?
[22:56] <jtaylor> can you open the url in a browser?
[22:57] <Guest78104> yes i tried that yester day. i has been like this since the fresh installation two days ago
[22:57] <Guest78104> *i=it
[22:58] <sithlord48> im on raring kubuntu and i have broken HDMI audio with radeon driver on <IP_ADDRESS> (amd64) it works on other kernels correctly
[23:00] <Guest78104> proof: http://pastebin.com/giXPPFnu
[23:01] <Guest78104> i have gotten many updates but there is always this error when i do a manual update
[23:01] <jtaylor> you could try a sudo rm -f /var/cache/apt/lists/*
[23:02] <jtaylor> and then apt-get update again
[23:03] <jtaylor> must leave now, bye
[23:05] <Guest78104> jtaylor: no difference
[23:11] <Guest78104> wilee-nilee: hi again. i did not follow you last tip last night as the errors there was different from mine and it was not official Ubuntu solutions
[23:13] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, cool I forget the links I posted by now.
[23:14] <Guest78104> as i could understand it was not the right solution
[23:14] <wilee-nilee> Ah the key problem, I wopuld use the actionparsnip one I have used it twice since then on a double rload of a clone.
[23:15] <Guest78104> yes
[23:18] <Guest78104> i find this strange and frustrating. ubuntu is supposed to be solid. but when you encounter errors in something as basic as with the system update and it is so hard to find a official solution or support... hmmmm
[23:19] <Guest78104> common people like me want simple and secure solutions
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, You have run into a glitch that is rather uncommon, so there is no official fix, repos change keys and things can get mixed up on occasion.
[23:34] <Guest78104> hmmm, ok. ill give it a try :)
[23:35] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, Did you catch the comment on just commenting out the repo in the sources list in #ubuntu as well.
[23:36] <Guest78104> when i run: "sudo ./fixpackage" i enter password and the cursor just blink and i can write but notting seems to happen.
[23:36] <Guest78104> sorry
[23:36] <Guest78104> it started now
[23:38] <Guest78104> the script did not help
[23:38] <Guest78104> still get the same error
[23:39] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, Try commenting it out in the sources list open it with gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and find that repo and put # in front of it
[23:40] <Guest78104> wilee-nilee: whywould i want to comment out official ubuntu repo?
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, That link is just to a key, not a update or upgrade
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> it errors out so it is not needed basically.
[23:46] <Guest78104> i dont get what line to comment out
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, Copy and paste the whole file to a pastebin
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> !paste
[23:47] <Guest78104> http://pastebin.com/ZFreHxns
[23:48] <hggdh> anybody with nouveau getting X crashes?
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> Guest78104, I think it is the raring partner, it may not be set up pre-release. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu raring partner
[23:51] <wilee-nilee> I will boot to raring and take a look be right back/
[23:51] <Guest78104> ok, tnx
[23:55] <Guest78104> wilee-nilee: you are right :D


[01:23] <Sarvatt> looks like i'm not alone getting insane memory usage with intel 2.11
[01:29] <ripps> I know the moment I say this I'm going to Jinx it, but since installed kernel 2.6.33 from the kernel-ppa I havent' had any Xorg cpu hogging.
[01:36] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: have you seen http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~whot/xf86-input-wacom/log/?h=waltop ?
[01:43] <Sarvatt> ripps: did you also update ati to 6.13 at the same time? :D
[01:43] <ripps> Sarvatt: no, I rebooted and tried that before installing 2.6.33
[01:43] <ripps> So, no the ati update didn't fix it
[01:43] <Sarvatt> still had it with 6.13 and the lucid kernel then?
[01:43] <ripps> Sarvatt: yes
[01:46] <ripps> whoa, irssi just crashed all of sudden there..... hope that wasn't an omen
[01:46] <Sarvatt> i was going to say do a xlsclients and start killing off things until you find which it is, most likely something in there
[01:46] <Sarvatt> what mainline kernel did you install?
[01:46] <Sarvatt> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[01:48] <ripps> Sarvatt: inux-image-2.6.33-020633-generic
[01:48] <Sarvatt> do you see anything flooding ~/.xsession-errors when its slow? or dmesg?
[01:49] <ripps> Sarvatt: fitst thing I checked, I didn't see anything
[01:50] <Sarvatt> chromium has been acting kind of similar for me the past week of daily builds but its not making the X process CPU spike after closing it.. I was going OOM after a few hours and thrashing wildly even with 3GB ram, thats why I was asking about that
[01:51] <ripps> Sarvatt: eh, I switched back to google-chrome, it's html5 video is a bit uglier, but it seems a little faster
[01:51] <Sarvatt> but i did have flash using all of my cpu still doing what you said after i closed it one time
[01:51] <Sarvatt> yeah I switched to the in-archive chromium and its alot better
[01:51] <Sarvatt> think its from the beta channel
[01:53] <ripps> I recently helped fta resolve a bug with sse2 with chromium, because chromium was crashing on any html5 video, but even with that fixed, I still think the equivalent version of chrome when compared to chromium is still a bit faster.
[01:53] <ripps> It's probably just how it's compiled. Maybe google uses profiled builds
[01:53] <Sarvatt> interesting if its really fixed by 2.6.33 and not the lucid kernel though, definitely not gpu related if so
[01:54] <Sarvatt> you said mouse options affected it at some point?
[01:54] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I've got a hacked-up nouveau/linux-2.6 building locally.  Mostly.
[01:55] <ripps> Sarvatt: well, I didn't have this problem when I first installed 2.6.32-19. It first appeared after the large number of updates the day before. So I'm guess that an update in xserver earlier caused it.
[01:55] <ripps> Sarvatt: well I was playing around with some stuff, and after disabling mousetweaks the cpu usage of Xorg dropped to around 5% instead of 20%, but a few minutes later it went back up.
[01:59] <Sarvatt> well hopefully it was a client app that was screwed up and fixed, i think gnome-keyring gwibber desktopcouch and gnome-control-center were screwed up pretty bad recently but not sure if any of those had spiking X cpu usage as a side affect.. if you cant reproduce it after a day or so on that mainline kernel i'd be interested if you still have the problem on -19 or -20
[02:00] <Sarvatt> dont know what generation ati you're using but there were a bunch of fixes in mesa 7.7.1 too
[02:01] <ripps> I'm using r300 ati radeon 9600
[02:02] <ripps> I'm wondering if the 2.6.33 has something in it's scheduler that prevents whatever's happening in Xorg to occur
[02:04] <ripps> On an unrelated note, I couldn't get the 2.6.34-rc3 kernel to work because it would turn my monitor off when X started. I couldn't figure out a way around it.
[02:05] <Sarvatt> did you use the lucid or karmic one? i can't use 2.6.34-x-karmic at all, panics right when it starts :( there's always radeon.modeset=0
[02:06] <ripps> the karmic ppa only had header packages
[02:06] <Sarvatt> check your /var/log/dmesg.0 after booting it, and rebooting into a good kernel?
[02:08] <ripps> Sarvatt: the archived dmesg log doesn't say anything that stands out to me
[02:09] <ripps> and the Xorg.1.log says that it couldn't find any screen(s)
[02:10] <ripps> it seems my monitor wasn't initialized
[02:14] <ripps> y'know, every once in a while, I get an audio stutter and Xorg goes up to 15% for a moment, but than it seems to recover and go back to ~3%. I wonder if the problem is still occuring but the kernel is able to recover more elegantly than lucids
[03:07] <Sarvatt> 2752 objects
[03:07] <Sarvatt> -2109001728 object bytes
[03:07] <Sarvatt> kaaay
[03:11] <Sarvatt> thats with stock lucid packages too, hmm..
[03:12] <Sarvatt> ahh my mesa texture tiling setting was carried over after the downgrade
[03:20] <Sarvatt> ripps: try installing linux-backports-modules-alsa and use the lucid kernel?
[03:21] <ripps> Sarvatt: really? okay, I don't know how it could be related...
[03:24] <ripps> Hmmm... I'm getting a lot of gdk errors for gmpc in my .xsession-errors log... think that could also be a cause?
[03:25] <Sarvatt> what errors?
[03:25] <ripps> (gmpc:8052): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixbuf_get_pixels: assertion `GDK_IS_PIXBUF (pixbuf)' failed
[03:26] <ripps> I have gmpc start at boot, and leave running a seperate workspace
[03:28] <JanC> hm, question, could anybody recommend a (cheap) graphics card that supports OpenGL 2 with open open source drivers in lucid?  ☺
[03:29] <ripps> Does any oss driver have complete opengl 2?
[03:32] <JanC> I wish I knew...
[03:33] <johanbr> according to http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature , the radeon driver has that on R600/R700
[03:34] <johanbr> on the other hand, most of the 3d features say "Mostly done"
[03:37] <JanC> I suppose some of the newest Intel drivers might support it on their newest hardware too
[03:37] <johanbr> I hear the intel drivers have been in pretty bad shape lately, though
[03:38] <JanC> but intel doesn't sell "cards"
[03:39] <ScottK> johanbr: My experience has been Intel was 'unfortunate' in Jaunty/Karmic, but pretty good so far in Lucid.
[03:39] <JanC> sointel has been good on karmic for me
[03:39] <johanbr> ahh... happy to hear that's improved
[03:40] <JanC> only jaunty was bad
[03:40] <JanC> and I have 3 different intel systems...
[03:42] <ripps> Hmm... according to xlsclients, ubuntuone-login and ubuntuone-preferences are in use, is there any way to stop them?
[03:44] <ripps> hmm killing them seems make things a little smoother
[03:46] <ripps> Well, I'm going back to the lucid kernel to see if I can isolate use xlsclients to see if there's a particular app that's causing cpu hogging.
[03:51] <Sarvatt> 965+ intel, R600+ ati with mesa 7.8+
[03:55] <ripps> My new favorite tool: watch. easy to check changes to various logs at a glance from my screen terminal
[04:02] <JanC> Sarvatt: was that an answer about my OpenGL 2 question?  if so, I was looking at recommendations about R600+ ATI cards that actually work well I suppose...  ;)
[04:39] <bjsnider> JanC, i'm going to regret asking this question i guess, but why the "open source drivers" condition?
[07:00] <JanC> bjsnider: because I prefer that, even if only to give a "message" to manufacturers  ☺
[07:03] <JanC> and I don't really need it, I just wanted to try out an application that apparently needs OpenGL 2
[07:50] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yes, have you seen http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=alpine.DEB.2.00.1004091001160.30959%40deckard.hut.fi&forum_name=linuxwacom-devel :)
[07:50] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: merged the waltoptablet kernel driver with wacom
[07:50] <RAOF> JanC: I recently got a radeon 43something or other for $60 that Just Works™ and supports OpenGL 2.0 with the free drivers.
[17:45] <ripps> Does anybody know how to read straces of Xorg? What exactly is normal?
[17:49] <ScottK> bryceh: Any objection t me uploading a fix for Bug #560814?
[20:24] <Sarvatt> wow, didn
[20:24] <Sarvatt> t realize it was so easy to edit insyde efi bioses
[20:24] <Sarvatt> ahh wrong channel sorry :)
[20:29] <Sarvatt> ugh so it looks like theres quite a few lenovo laptops with intel needing powersave=0 too.. maybe we should have just made it opt-in globally
[20:34] <Ng> what actually happens when you set that?
[20:44] <Sarvatt> depends on the chipset, it disables things like self refresh CxSR and framebuffer compression
[20:44] <Sarvatt> Ng: do you have one of the machines experiencing the problem?
[20:45] <Sarvatt> can you boot with drm.debug=0x04 and watch dmesg to see what happens when it flickers? that'll help alot figuring out what feature is causing it
[20:50] <Ng> Sarvatt: my X301 (Gm45) intermittently has flashing issues. I can't really say whether powersave=0 changes anything yet, it's so annoyingly rare :(
[20:52] <Sarvatt> yeah all the affected ones i've seen still are gm45 too, all lenovo too oddly
[20:53] <Sarvatt> can you describe the flicker at all?
[20:53] <Ng> I have a vast selection bias towards lenovos, since a lot of canonicalers buy them, but fwiw one of them is an IdeaPad, which I think is quite different internally to a Thinkpad, but I'm not sure
[20:53] <Sarvatt> ideapad shouldn't be flickering at all anymore..
[20:54] <Ng> it could be that it stopped, I'll check with ivanka tomorrow
[20:54] <Sarvatt> those should have been fixed in the -18 or -19 kernel
[20:55] <Ng> I'm booted without powersave atm and I've not seen it for a while, but it's not that predictable
[20:55] <Sarvatt> Ng: if you can boot with drm.debug=0x04 on your x301 and send along your dmesg it would help
[20:56] <Sarvatt> like does the whole screen shift for a fraction of a second? or is it isolated to part of the screen? does it black out or just shift the screen contents over a little?
[20:56] <Ng> Sarvatt: just attach the output after booting, or when it actually flashes?
[20:56] <Sarvatt> and does it happen when the system is idle or right after you do something?
[20:56] <Ng> it's like the bottom 1/3-1/4 goes slightly out of sync and corrupted for like 1 or 2 frames
[20:56] <Sarvatt> either, preferably the latter but you said it was hard to trigger
[20:57] <Ng> hmm, I'm not sure about the idleness factor
[21:00] <Sarvatt> any idea if its isolated to something like during video playback?
[21:01] <Ng> I'm pretty sure it's not related to video playback, but perhaps I had flash open in browser tabs at the time. certainly not something like totem though
[21:04] <Sarvatt> Ng: do you have another monitor plugged in?
[21:04] <Ng> Sarvatt: it generally seems to only happen when I have no monitor attached. At work I have an LCD hooked up to the DisplayPort connector and it's *never* happened then
[21:05] <Sarvatt> self refresh is disabled when you have more than one monitor plugged in
[21:05] <Sarvatt> Ng: yeah a dmesg just after boot with drm.debug=0x04 would be handy
[21:06] <Ng> ok, lemmie just close everything down and get that now
[21:06] <Sarvatt> appreciate it Ng
[21:07] <Ng> very much likewise :)
[21:14] <Sarvatt> heyo tormod
[21:15] <Ng> Sarvatt: added
[21:15] <Sarvatt> Ng: bug number?
[21:16] <tormod> konnichi wa Sarvatt :)
[21:19] <stgraber> hey tormod !
[21:19] <Ng> Sarvatt: bug #538648
[21:20] <Sarvatt> thanks, odd that it didnt show up in my ubuntu-x-swat mail
[21:20]  * ScottK says "What the heck" and uploads.
[21:21] <ScottK> bryceh: Nevermind.  Uploaded it.
[21:22] <tormod> bonsoir stgraber :)
[21:24] <Ng> Sarvatt: what influence does the idleness of the machine have? some part of the chip being powered down or so?
[21:29] <Ng> ooh
[21:29] <Ng> it just flickered
[21:29] <Ng> and again
[21:29] <Ng> the drm debug thing is only logging cursor changes, and it doesn't seem to be related to that
[21:32] <stgraber> tormod: it's still the afternoon here ;)
[21:33] <Sarvatt> thats odd, Ng can you try drm.debug=0x05 then?
[21:34] <Ng> Sarvatt: sure, lemmie just close everything down again ;)
[21:34] <Sarvatt> looks like self refresh and fifo watermark updates are 0x01 not 0x04 so 0x05 will get both of those
[21:34] <Sarvatt> Ng: actually just drm.debug=0x01 would be enough
[21:34] <Ng> ok
[21:34] <tormod> stgraber, guess you're in Quebec then :)
[21:34] <Sarvatt> sorry about that, I thought that info was given in 0x04
[21:35] <stgraber> tormod: yep, will be in Switzerland for two weeks between the 24th of April and the 9th of May. Not sure if there's anything getting planned for the release there though.
[21:37] <Ng> Sarvatt: wow that's a lot of output :D
[21:38] <Sarvatt> yeah :( save it now if you can before it overflows then save the rest after it happens (if it does)
[21:38] <tormod> stgraber, not much cooking for an RP here (yet) except something in Winterthur
[21:39] <Ng> Sarvatt: looks like it overflowed pretty quickly after booting, as soon as my desktop appeared I launched a terminal and did dumped dmesg to a file
[21:39] <Ng> and it's lacking kernel boot messages
[21:39] <Ng> but I'm guessing it's all gone to syslog
[21:39] <Sarvatt> thats ok you'll have the boot stuff in /var/log/dmesg
[21:41] <Ng> syslog from boot->now is 116MB :o
[21:41] <Ng> I'm not sure I can leave this on, but hopefully it'll flicker soon
[21:42] <Sarvatt> well can ya just run intel_reg_dumper and attach that, and attach the /var/log/dmesg from this boot to the bug too?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> i'll upstream it after ya put those on there and I get home
[21:44] <Ng> Sarvatt: sure thing
[21:49] <Ng> Sarvatt: done
[21:49] <Sarvatt> i dont know why g4x_update_wm and i965_update_wm self refresh info goes to DRM_DEBUG when i9xx_update_wm and older goes to DRM_DEBUG_KMS, thats what threw me off
[22:18] <kklimonda> hey, what to do if crt monitor sends invalid edid info?
[22:21] <kklimonda> http://pastebin.org/146979 Xorg.0.log is anyone is interested
[23:12] <Ng> Sarvatt: just had a glitch and I hadn't rebooted :)
[23:16] <Ng> snagged dmesg and gpu regs and added them to the bug
[23:16] <Ng> and now I'm definitely rebooting to get this debug mode cleared ;)
[23:51] <Sarvatt> Ng: just to be clear, it only happens with compiz enabled for you too?
[23:51]  * Sarvatt is filling out the upstream bug report and using your info
[23:52] <Ng> Sarvatt: I've only seen it with compiz because I haven't tried without compiz :/
[23:52] <Sarvatt> ah ok, too bad theres nothing in that new dmesg you posted since it was only a seconds worth :D
[23:53] <Ng> woah
[23:53] <Ng> hrm
[23:53] <Ng> syslog will have it even though I've rebooted
[23:53] <Ng> current syslog is 1.9GB :O
[23:53] <Sarvatt> sheesh! :D
[23:53] <Ng> I might wait until I'm in the office tomorrow to upload that ;)
[23:55] <Sarvatt> grep it for [drm:g4x or [drm:intel ?
[23:58] <Ng> grepping out drm:drm_ioctl and gzipping gets it down to 869K


[07:47] <ara> good morning!
[09:35] <KE1HA> GM ara .. hope all is well on ur side of the big pond :-)
[09:45] <ara> hey KE1HA, norning
[09:46] <ara> morning, even
[09:53] <KE1HA> ara, I think I've ran out of ISO's to test. Are we going to ISO test the release on the 17th I think it is?
[09:54] <ara> KE1HA, indeed, once they are ready to test they will appear in the tracker as usua
[09:55] <ara> l
[09:55] <ara> I will ask at #ubuntu-release how's that going
[09:56] <KE1HA> Ok. And the other thing, I sent an e-mail to the fealla asking about Server Apt testing. Is there a way to get that on a Tracker as well ?
[09:57] <KE1HA> Server Apts meaning (admin - service apts) not Ubuntu-Server applications.
[09:57] <ara> KE1HA, yes, I saw the email
[09:58] <ara> KE1HA, I don't think it fits under desktop.qa.ubuntu.com
[09:58] <ara> KE1HA, and it hasn't been release to Ubuntu yet
[09:58] <ara> Once it gets into Ubuntu and it is widely used, we can add it to the tracker
[09:59] <ara> I'll reply to your email in the mailing list
[10:01] <ara> mmm, his nick, now I remember that he's called Greg
[10:02] <ara> I am looking for your email
[10:02] <ara> but I don't seem to find it
[10:03] <ara> hey! just found it
[10:03] <ara> replying now
[10:08] <KE1HA> ara, sri was in the ubuntu channel .. I think that tracker system is awsome, and to keep things consistent and the flows straight, it makes allot of sense to ahve them all in one spot.
[10:09] <ara> KE1HA, yes, but the application is not in Ubuntu yet, there are other applications that need more testing
[10:09] <ara> I am replying to the email
[10:11] <KE1HA> ?? I dont understand, what you mean its not in UB yet?
[10:11] <KE1HA> you mean the packages themselves are not in UB yet?
[10:11] <ara> yes
[10:11] <ara> they are in a PPA
[10:11] <KE1HA> Ahh, ok, so he was asking us to test things that are standard distro packages?
[10:12] <KE1HA> oops are not standard
[10:12] <ara> yes, but it is going to be standard
[10:12] <KE1HA> Ok, Now Im with you, yes, I'd agree with that totally.
[10:12] <ara> in fact, yesterday was Feature Freeze, so it might be now part of ubuntu
[10:12] <KE1HA> Ok, uderstand.
[10:12] <ara> yes, it is now in Ubuntu
[10:13] <ara> but, still, first things first, someone has to write the testcases
[10:13] <KE1HA> I thought they were normal apps that needed to be tested, allbeit, service apps.
[10:13] <ara> and we have a lot of applications that need testcases first
[10:13] <KE1HA> Is there a list of those ?
[10:14] <KE1HA> second, I have a recommendation. There's lots and lots of folks working on lots and lots of things, but I've also see lots of folks workign on the same things and not know it.
[10:14] <KE1HA> Opps it cut off my line.. sri,,,,
[10:15] <KE1HA> Is there a way to Implement like a W3 system, who-what-when type thing so we dont duplicate efforts?.
[10:17] <KE1HA> For instance, the test-case writing, could folks volenter to write x,y,z and have that posted somwhere, so people can see what's left to be worked on?
[10:20] <ara> KE1HA, it is a wiki, so if someone is editing something, you would know
[10:21] <ara> anyway, the best way is to send an email to the mailing list saying "I will work on ..."
[10:21] <ara> so people know
[10:21] <KE1HA> Ahh, ok, so use the Wiki and e-mail for notificaiton & tracking, ok, just wanted to understand how it is to be done.


[03:42] <allstarschh> hi, I found firefox-trunk hasn't been updated since 8/3, is there anything wrong?
[07:04] <edwinksl> ^
[07:05] <edwinksl> been a while since the last "daily" build :/
[07:08] <allstarschh> does that mean daily build is broken?
[07:25] <edwinksl> not sure
[07:25] <edwinksl> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all says that the builds are not even attempted
[08:01] <ricotz> firefox-trunk requires a newer rustc/cargo and this update is in progress
[08:05] <allstarschh> thanks for the info :)
[09:21] <edwinksl> ah okayh


[08:59] <mup> PR snapd#12980 opened: t/regression/mount-order-regression: set no mem limit <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12980>
[09:14] <mup> PR snapd#12967 closed: install: extract unmount helper function <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12967>
[09:14] <mup> PR snapd#12974 closed: snapcraft.yaml: pull in apparmor optimization patches from Alfonso <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12974>
[13:35] <mup> PR snapd#12981 opened: gadget: add kernel parameters from "append" in gadget yaml <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12981>
[13:45] <mup> PR snapd#12982 opened: gadget: fix TestMountVolumesLazyUnmount after master branch update <⚠ Critical> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12982>
[14:10] <mup> PR snapd#12983 opened: snap, store: avoid invalid snap edited links from store and persisted state <Created by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12983>
[14:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#4277 closed: requirements: bump craft-archives <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4277>
[14:41] <mup> PR snapd#12982 closed: gadget: fix TestMountVolumesLazyUnmount after master branch update <⚠ Critical> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12982>
[17:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#4261 closed: commands: fix missing built_at store upload option <Created by suligap> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4261>
[18:53] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4278 opened: snapcraft "list-*" subcommands are inconsistent <Bug> <Created by rpjday> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4278>
[19:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#4279 opened: repos: revert package-repositories changes for core18 and core20 <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4279>
[22:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4279 closed: repos: revert package-repositories changes for core18 and core20 <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4279>


[04:02] <ando> hello
[04:03] <ando> i'm having trouble booting windows after i have failed to install ubuntu


[16:02] <LeLapin> hello !!!! (and, I hope, help ! ;) ).
[16:03] <holstein> LeLapin: welcome.. just ask and a volunteer will likely try and assist you ASAP
[16:04] <LeLapin> I've broken my U-Studio 14.04.1 config (something about a multimedia software I might have incidently installed, whatever).
[16:04] <holstein> LeLapin: ?
[16:04] <holstein> LeLapin: what did you install, exactly? and how?
[16:04] <LeLapin> I reinstalled it from DVD over the old install (I dont have another disk or particion left to install on a formated disk).
[16:05] <holstein> LeLapin: so, you *had* an issue? and now you are in a fresh install?
[16:05] <LeLapin> But the bug stuill persists. This bug is about the real-time rendering/monitoring of Kdenlive.
[16:05] <holstein> LeLapin: whats the bug number?
[16:06] <LeLapin> theres no bug. When I position to the timeline, the monitor doesn't go there. The monitor plays just the clips in the left,
[16:06] <LeLapin> i mean no  BUG alarm
[16:06] <holstein> LeLapin: ok.. then, is it a bug? or no?
[16:06] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, kdenlive is outside of ubuntu so ... if you don't report a bug, how would they know to fix it???
[16:07] <holstein> LeLapin: or is it a configuration you are bringing along with you?
[16:07] <LeLapin> I would like to reinstall REALLY U-Studio from scratch, jot having it finding old packets and stuff and taking them
[16:07] <holstein> i would do the following about the kdenlive issue.. first.. if its not a bug, dont refer to it as a bug.. if it is a bug, look for a bug report and join it, or make one if you dont see one.. then..
[16:08] <LeLapin> I just wan a fresh install but while keeping my /home an 2To of data and program parameters
[16:08] <holstein> i would start the application from the terminal, and see if you get any helpful error messages.. and also, use a fresh config.. you can make a new user, or use the guest account.. if the issue is not there as a different user, the the issue is likely just in the users config for the application
[16:08] <holstein> LeLapin: those /home paramaters can be where the issues you are stating are stored
[16:09] <LeLapin> let me show yoçu the apt-get update end :
[16:09] <holstein> LeLapin: i suggest a *fresh* install.. and backup the data you have, and want to keep.. you should back this up to a different location regardless, since *all* hard drives will fail
[16:09] <LeLapin> I can't move 2Tb :(
[16:09] <LeLapin> dont have another hard disk
[16:10] <LeLapin> and donc have th e time
[16:10] <holstein> LeLapin: you can, though. and you need to have it backed up regardless.. you *will* lose that data.. period.. its not a patter of "if".. its *when* you loser it
[16:10] <holstein> so, take the time, and make a proper backup that will faciliate your actions now, and ensure you dont lose the information
[16:10] <LeLapin> my strategy was to boot from live-U-Studio and erase all old traces of packets config os some
[16:10] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, I bet if you knew the drive would fail in 1 hour, you would magically find time
[16:10] <holstein> yup
[16:10] <holstein> and, it could fail in an hour, or a minute from now
[16:11] <LeLapin> Well, the time is the other issue, I lost all day long and I have work due tonight :(
[16:11] <holstein> but, it *will* fail
[16:11] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, your driver WILL fail and it will do so without warning.
[16:11] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, make a backup plan ...
[16:11] <holstein> LeLapin: that drive *is* going to fail.. you will lose what you dont have properly backed up.. no one will suggest doing installs and partitions on that drive without backing up..
[16:11] <LeLapin> what du you mean my driver WILL fail ?
[16:11] <holstein> LeLapin: drive.. *all* hard drives fail
[16:12] <holstein> regardless, i would try and see that your issues are not just in your users config
[16:12] <cfhowlett> LeLapin, it's hardware.  hardware breaks.  ALL the time.  that's why every computer user manual you will ever read says, repeatedly, backup.  but hey, if it's just too much trouble or your data really isn't that important, ignore the advice.
[16:12] <holstein> seems like you are pulling a /home partition along with you, which is fine. and lots of users do it that way.. but, you need to have the date backed up somewhere else as well
[16:13] <LeLapin> the oblem is not a backup of fata, theres 10 Tb outside, the 2 Tb are the working config, and if I can consider taking a week to reinstall everything when theres a genuine physical crash, I wont move 2 TB without a reason :
[16:13] <holstein> and if you have issues, those issues can be with the users config
[16:13] <holstein> try isolating that..
[16:13] <holstein> LeLapin: you will soon have a reason..
[16:13] <holstein> LeLapin: it *will* break
[16:13] <holstein> but, then, you wont be able to move or copy it..
[16:13] <LeLapin> If it break I can reinstall it oonce again, it wont be worse than the othe 3 times today
[16:13] <holstein> it'll hopefully be recoverable.. and it will take *much* more time..
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/universe amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_universe_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/multiverse amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_multiverse_binary-amd64_Packages)
[16:13] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/universe i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-backports/multiverse i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages)
[16:14] <LeLapin> W: Vous pouvez lancer « apt-get update » pour corriger ces problèmes.
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: no.. its not *if* it breaks, friend.. its *when* it break
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: you are still saying, "if".. and it *will* break. .they all do
[16:14] <LeLapin> I juste want to get rid of that, but "Logitheque Ubuntu" shows none of them
[16:14] <holstein> LeLapin: http://askubuntu.com/questions/120621/how-to-fix-duplicate-sources-list-entry
[16:15] <holstein> !paste | LeLapin
[16:15] <LeLapin> The HD is brand new and it will not break, sorry, unless some piec of soft formats/scratches it mly data will still lbe there a few years
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: they *all* break. and you can google search that they are more likely to break when brand new
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: i am not speculating.. this is *fact*
[16:16] <holstein> LeLapin: regardless. its your data.. do test the applciations without the config that you pull along with you
[16:16] <holstein> the issues with kden live can be with the config, and not with the application
[16:17] <LeLapin> I use and design this kind of thinks since 35 years, I have my own odds thanks ;)
[16:19] <holstein> a proper backup would make it so that you can do a proper stock fresh install.. if you are afraid to, or cant, or havent, or think you shouldnt have a proper backup, then you are misinformed.. the backup can help you address the issues you are having, and get a proper fresh installation
[16:21] <holstein> using the guest account is an easy way to troubleshoot that. the guest account uses basically a temporary fresh config for the application
[16:22] <holstein> if you dont have problems in the guest account with kdenlive, then the issue is likely not a system-wide bug
[16:22] <holstein> not sure why you have messed with your sources and have duplicates.. were you trying to geo-locate? and get faster mirrors, LeLapin ?
[16:24] <LeLapin> Actually I applied a little too fast a few "waht to do after installing Trusty", and then tried to get back a few old softwares. Always the lack of time... :(
[16:24] <holstein> we have no such things.. and you should read the "fine print" on those guides. the sources are not officially supported
[16:25] <holstein> LeLapin: try a fresh stock install with no ppa's or sources. *anything* you do as sudo should be looked at closely anytime
[16:25] <holstein> could be you add sources that are providing you a broken package for kdenlive..
[16:26] <holstein> theres nothing wrong with using ppa's or adding sources.. its just about getting support from the creators of the packages at that point, since, they are not ubuntu packages
[16:26] <LeLapin> okay I'm completely lost now :(
[16:26] <LeLapin> I tried the "how to fix duplicate sources"
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: we have no "things to add to ubuntu" guides that are supported
[16:26] <LeLapin> created a new liste
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: sure.. we have no things in placed that break those.. whatever guide you followed broke those
[16:26] <LeLapin> then apt-get update gets the same error
[16:26] <holstein> LeLapin: *dont* break the soures..
[16:26] <holstein> sources*
[16:27] <holstein> LeLapin: please revert to stock sources, and purge whatever packages were installed.. otherwise, seek support with the source maintainers, becuase you will not be using ubuntu with those sources
[16:27] <cfhowlett> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/index.php   for rebuilding the source list
[16:28] <LeLapin> Is there a way to FORCE the U-Studio to reinstall all the software part, as I thought it would/should do in an install keeping the /home (but normally getting rid ou /var and others I thought) ?
[16:28] <holstein> ^^ i agree... if your sources are broken, revert to stock
[16:28] <holstein> LeLapin: you need a seperate /home to maintain the /home
[16:29] <LeLapin> getting mad :(
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: *nothing* like that should be done without backups.. you can try and have the ubuntu installer save settings, but i would have backups
[16:29] <cfhowlett> this !!!! ^^^
[16:29] <cfhowlett> but .. you already knew that ...
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: if you have only one copy of the /home, and its on the same disk, there is no easy way to maintain that other than a proper copy/backup
[16:29] <holstein> LeLapin: any other option should not be done without a backup..
[16:30] <LeLapin> No, I thought (and it's written) that the "overinstall" (keeping the /hom) would actually really reset all the software parts except personnal parameters (that are in the home)
[16:30] <holstein> LeLapin: that should not be done without a backup.. perio
[16:30] <holstein> period*
[16:30] <holstein> LeLapin: you are welcome to try it.. and i wouldnt.. and dont suggest it.. and no one will
[16:31] <holstein> LeLapin: the "best" and only way to proceed.. copy/backup the data, and fresh install..
[16:31] <LeLapin> Okay. Know what can I do ? I dont have the possibility to move those 2 To. know, nor the money to buy another one, etc. :/
[16:31] <holstein> LeLapin: sure. but, that needs to happen regardless. since you will lose that anyway
[16:32] <holstein> LeLapin: that data is not backed up. so, i would personally address this flaw in your setup, and this would also help me with the reinstall
[16:32] <LeLapin> can I try the soft and long way first, would you help me ?
[16:32] <holstein> in the future, i would try and keep a seperate /home partition, and backup the data regardless
[16:32] <holstein> LeLapin: you just fire up the installer, and install
[16:32] <holstein> !install
[16:33] <holstein> LeLapin: the installer will ask what you want to do. and you try the steps that i suggest you dont try without a proper backup
[16:33] <LeLapin> I used a fresh CD.
[16:33] <holstein> LeLapin: should be too large for a CD
[16:33] <cfhowlett> USB
[16:33] <holstein> you can use..
[16:33] <holstein> !mini
[16:34] <LeLapin> dvd sorry, I used the fresh one d/l on the U-studio site like I said 14.04.1
[16:34] <holstein> LeLapin: sure.. use it to do a fresh install if that is what you want.. i suggest having backups of your /home before starting
[16:35] <LeLapin> I dont have room for ù!
[16:35] <holstein> LeLapin: to leave the /home in place, you would need to move the data around, at best. and create a new partition, and resize on that disk.. *all* of which is dangerous when working without a backup
[16:35] <holstein> LeLapin: you dont have room for what?
[16:35] <LeLapin> to store the data elsewhere
[16:36] <holstein> LeLapin: then, i suggest you make arrangements to do so..
[16:36] <LeLapin> prostitute ? ^^
[16:36] <holstein> otherwise, you find room on the disk by resizing partitions, and make a partition that is the /home that doesnt get formatted during installation
[16:36] <holstein> LeLapin: you would use gparted to resize the partitions.. you will click through a warning that outlines what i am warning you of
[16:37] <LeLapin> I can rty that, but yes, it is much more dangerous than trying to put back the good packets
[16:37] <holstein> LeLapin: ubuntu dosnt have a "put back good packets" installer
[16:38] <holstein> LeLapin: i would just shrink the current partition and fresh install onto empty space, and clean up the existing partition and call it "data" and mount it back.. but, i would have copies of the data before moving on..
[16:39] <LeLapin> I juste would like the bad ones to go away. The install disk DOES put the good ones when it doesn't find another one.
[16:39] <holstein> LeLapin: sure. go for it, then.. just click through the menu following the path you want, and remember that you were warned.. and hopefully nothing bad happens
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: the install disk doesnt have a "put good ones back" step.. it only formats and installs.. as it will state
[16:40] <LeLapin> When you do video editing, and move about 10 Tb in benevolent using recuparation mcomputers and Linux you don't have the money to double your data storage
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: all of that is irrelevant..
[16:40] <LeLapin> its the context
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: if you cant back it up, you will lose it. maybe not today
[16:40] <holstein> LeLapin: its nothing to do with context.. its a fact
[16:41] <holstein> LeLapin: if you choose to try and fresh install onto that disk there is a risk... its the same risk as doing nothing, so i would just address the risk
[16:41] <LeLapin> its a fact that if i had to backup everything i wouldn't have done even one movie by now
[16:42] <holstein> LeLapin: you dont *have* to backup.. you just need to.. if you need to keep the data
[16:43] <holstein> anyways.. i wish you luck and hope nothing happens.. and suggest you make copies ASAP..
[16:43] <holstein> you can use #ubuntu if its slow here, since you have only basic installation questions... cheers!
[16:51] <studio-user358> need some help installing, GRUB2 keeps on failing when installing
[17:14] <nik_> Ciao a tutti, volevo sapere se c'è un modo per spegnere il pc senza ilò classigo modo, essendo che spesso mi ritrovo con tastiera e mouse bloccati Grazie
[18:10] <holstein> nik_: ..
[18:10] <holstein> !tty
[18:11] <holstein> "sudo reboot" or "sudo halt", or "sudo shutdown -r now"
[18:11] <holstein> !it
[18:12] <nik_> sorry but the keyboard is locked how do I write?
[18:12] <holstein> nik_: try tty
[18:13] <holstein> also.. setup ssh, and ssh connect from another machine, and enter those commands..
[18:13] <holstein> !ssh
[18:13] <holstein> the question is, how much of the machine is locked, and how.. if you cant tty, or connect via ssh, you may have a kernel panic, or some larger issue
[21:04] <sampler> hey guys goodevening from germany