[01:59] <zkriesse> mathay: ping
[01:59] <zkriesse> ok /me out
[04:21] <sundowatch_> hello
[04:21] <sundowatch_> is there anyone who using ubuntu on sony vaio?
[05:02] <bodhizazen> evening all
[05:02] <zkriesse> hey bodhizazen
[05:02] <bodhizazen> zup ? anything happening ?
[05:02] <zkriesse> not much
[05:03] <zkriesse> i became an ubuntu member if ya didn't hear
[05:03] <zkriesse> other than that...eh
[05:03] <bodhizazen> CONGRATS !!!!
[05:03] <zkriesse> thanks bodhizazen
[05:03] <bodhizazen> ooo, nice cloak =)
[05:03] <zkriesse> yeah
[05:03] <tenach> Hello
[05:03] <zkriesse> bodhizazen: paultag suggested i change from ZachK_ to zkriesse
[05:03] <zkriesse> it's much better
[05:04] <bodhizazen> I like it as well
[05:04] <tenach> Easier on the eyes :D
[05:04] <zkriesse> bodhizazen: and I'm helping out the UWN and I'm just getting started with Ubuntu Manual
[05:06] <bodhizazen> very nice, documentation is fun, IMO
[05:07] <zkriesse> oh yeah
[05:09] <zkriesse> well i gotta sign off for the night
[05:09] <zkriesse> I'll be back in the AM
[05:09] <bodhizazen> nn
[05:32] <tenach> How are you bodhizazen ?
[05:35] <ronaldo_> tenach who are u
[05:37] <tenach> ronaldo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tenach
[05:38] <bodhizazen> busy tenach , children are getting older
[05:38] <tenach> bodhizazen, yeah, they do that ;D
[05:39] <ApOgEE> greetings...
[05:41] <dvz-> lo there people
[05:49] <dvz-> bodhizazen, how goes it these days?
[05:50] <dvz-> tlorn, lo there mate
[05:51] <tlorn> dvz-: ellooo
[05:51] <dvz-> tlorn, welcome to the IRC world
[05:54] <tenach> Brb!
[06:34] <skrippy11> I just upgraded my hp mini 311 to 10.04 and my wired and wireless connections don't work.  Help forums say that I should get broadcom network drivers, but how do I do that with no internet access? can I access them from a USB drive?
[14:31] <cprofitt> hey all -- any bash experts?
[15:02] <jmburgess> cprofitt: not particularly, but whats up?
[15:06] <cprofitt> I am trying to take the results of a grep and have them execute
[15:10] <jmburgess> oh
[15:10] <jmburgess> I have no clue how to do that
[15:10] <jmburgess> haha, have you tried googleing around?
[15:11] <pedro3005> cprofitt, eh, use python
[15:11] <pedro3005> :P
[15:16] <cprofitt> jmburgess: I have
[15:16] <cprofitt> I think not knowing the 'command name' is causing issues
[15:17] <cprofitt> I have searched on executing the results of grep
[15:17] <cprofitt> and not gotten anything
[15:17] <Puck`> you should setup a var that will be the result and execute that var
[15:18] <Puck`> at least logically that's how i would think it'd work
[15:18] <cprofitt> hmm... would that be a one line command still?
[15:18] <Puck`> well one line to setup the var
[15:18] <Puck`> and one line to execute it
[15:18] <Puck`> put it in a bash script file and done
[15:18] <geirha> jmburgess: You want to execute the output of grep? I don't like the sound of that.
[15:19] <Puck`> or the task is to do this in one line?
[15:21] <geirha> You can do   grep | bash   but be certain that the file you grep does not contain any malicious commands.
[15:22] <cprofitt> geirha: thanks... I wrote the file so it does not
[15:23] <geirha> Still, there are probably better ways to achieve what you're trying to do.
[15:23] <cprofitt> perhaps... but that worked...
[15:23] <cprofitt> so +1000 geirha
[15:23] <Puck`> (:
[15:25] <cprofitt> geirha: are you a BT member?
[15:26] <geirha> No, I just hang around.
[15:26] <stlsaint> been around for quite some time
[15:27]  * mohi1 looks at stlsaint
[15:27] <Puck`> hey mohi1 (:
[15:27] <stlsaint> mohi1: DONT WATCH!! WATCH TV!!!
[15:27]  * pedro3005 watches stlsaint
[15:27] <pedro3005> :)
[15:28] <mohi1> hey Puck`and pedro3005 lets play with him in BT :)
[15:29] <geirha> I dropped by to ask something about a beginner programming challenge at the ubuntuforums a long time ago.
[15:30] <geirha> And I seem to have accidentally added it to the autojoin list
[15:30] <stlsaint> pedro3005: DONT WATCH ME!!! WATCH TV!!!
[15:30] <pedro3005> stlsaint, TV is boring
[15:31] <geirha> Have you downloaded and watched the Pioneer One pilot?
[15:31] <geirha> Was quite good for such a low budget.
[15:31] <Puck`> nothing is accidental, we have you in our force
[15:31]  * Puck` *winks*
[15:40] <geirha> Oh, so that's what's causing that tingling feeling
[15:47] <charming> hi people! :D
[15:48] <pedro3005> hey ChanServ
[15:48] <mohi1> pedro3005: fail :P
[15:48] <pedro3005> charming, *
[15:48] <pedro3005> mohi1, can't I say hi to my friend ChanServ?
[15:49] <pedro3005> :/
[15:49] <mohi1> lol
[15:49] <charming> heya all ubuntu beginners?
[15:49] <mohi1> heya charming
[15:52] <stlsaint> charming: hello
[15:53] <charming> hi stlsaint :D
[15:55] <stlsaint> charming: mon
[19:54] <win_2_linux> <<==now has a ubuntu  laptop clean install no more wubi lol
[19:54] <pedro3005> :D
[19:56] <zkriesse> win_2_linux: HOORAY!!!
[20:09] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: I'm curious, since I just started experimenting w/ wubi, did you encounter any issues that made you want to move away from it?
[20:11]  * DarkNemesis_ wishes to use tor for all except https
[20:12] <nUboon2Age> DarkNemesis_: is that a reply to my question?
[20:13] <DarkNemesis_> nUboon2Age, ummmmmmmm guess not
[20:13] <nUboon2Age> DarkNemesis_: I'm not following you.  What does it mean 'wishes to use for all except https'?  Wish to use what?
[20:14] <DarkNemesis_> tor
[20:14] <DarkNemesis_> !tor
[20:14] <ubot2> Want to hide your IP while connected to freenode? See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks  More information available in #freenode
[20:14] <win_2_linux> nUboon2Age it has its limitations, and wasn't supposed to be a permanent thing, and it started acting freaky
[20:14] <nUboon2Age> DarkNemesis_: thank you.  interesting...
[20:15] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: I'm curious, what symptoms?
[20:17] <duanedesign> win_2_linux: is the new install working well?
[20:18] <DarkNemesis_> nUboon2Age, tor is a proxy sytem
[20:19] <win_2_linux> duanedesign so far its only been a couple of hours lol
[20:19] <duanedesign> :P
[20:20] <nUboon2Age> DarkNemesis_: thank you.  interesting...
[20:20] <win_2_linux> nUboon2Age everyone is different, it started to freeze where i had to take the battery and unplug the cord in order to get it started
[20:21] <nUboon2Age> win_2_linux: ohhh.  gotcha.  good to know.
[20:21] <win_2_linux> I did it on an old lapttop a dell d600 with xp and wubi
[20:21] <win_2_linux> so if you have a newer laptop it might not act up on you
[21:45] <win_2_linux> whats a good email program
[21:46] <win_2_linux> i've tried thunderbird in the respositories but its old and buggy so i d/l the new tz which doesn't seem as buggy i want to install that version now how do i install a bin file
[21:53] <pedro3005> win_2_linux, I'll get a link for you in a sec
[21:53] <pedro3005> god damn slow internet
[21:54] <pedro3005> win_2_linux, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1361203&postcount=2
[21:54] <win_2_linux> thanks pedro
[21:54] <kdotj_> win_2_linux, was there a deb file available?
[21:54] <kdotj_> oh wait, the new thunderbird is only tar for now isn't it
[22:01] <win_2_linux> kdotj yes
[22:07] <phillw> win_2_linux: don't forget that gmail can be configured to receive mail from most email accounts and send as that email account
[22:08] <win_2_linux> phllw it works its just not in the right directory its in my download i want to put in where it wil show up in my menus
[22:09] <win_2_linux> right now its in download
[22:10] <phillw> i've not used thunderbird for many years, once i got my gmail account ::coughs:: a few years ago, I've stayed with them and just link other accounts to it.
[22:14] <phillw> i recall the guy who wrote the backup system for thunderbird stopped supporting it, so I'm not too sure what level of back up system there currently is.
[22:18] <win_2_linux> i found a deb file for it
[22:21] <phillw> win_2_linux: have you hade a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunderbirdNewVersion yet ?
[22:22] <phillw> that covers 10.04 ubuntu
[22:24] <win_2_linux> no but found the deb file on sourceforge
[22:24] <win_2_linux> just read it thanks.  3.0 was buggy
[22:24] <win_2_linux> it wouldn't open all the way and th menus were black
[22:24] <win_2_linux> etc
[22:27] <phillw> that link has how to add the daily build, which is always .. ermmm.. interesting (I run the chromium one as I use lubuntu)
[22:28] <win_2_linux> what is lubuntu?
[22:30] <win_2_linux> oh nevermind a lighter ubuntu
[22:32] <phillw> win_2_linux: yeah, the baby :-)


[03:51] <yf-geek> Hi all, I am using kubuntu 12.04 and sometimes I experience complete system lockup. I highly suspect that i have spinlock problems. I am trying to find a debug build kernel on the ubuntu repository but couldn't find any.
[03:52] <yf-geek> Does this means that I have to manually compile the kernel with debugging mode enabled?
[03:54] <yf-geek> If compiling is the only option, I hope you all can shed some light on how to do it; I have never compiled a kernel before...
[09:20] <yf-geek> anyone?
[12:20] <apw> yf-geek, we don't have builds with debug generally no
[12:22] <apw> yf-geek, in theory this page will help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[12:45] <yf-geek> ok, thanks...
[12:46] <bantu> Hey. Anyone working on fixing http://kernel.ubuntu.com/ ?
[15:12] <apw> bantu, the appropriate admins are aware, i have no information as to cause as yet
[15:13] <bantu> apw: thanks, I just wanted to make sure someone is working on it
[23:05] <BenC> Is kernel.ubuntu.com down?


[06:01] <Some_Person> I have captured some old videos from my Hi8 camcorder to my computer. What video codec/bitrate would be best for storing them?
[06:04] <Some_Person> Also, when I export in Openshot, it seems to add a black border to my video
[06:12] <Some_Person> as if it's compensating for overscan :-(
[06:35] <astraljava> Sorry, no experience on fiddling with videos... :-/


[02:31] <guiverc> thanks oerheks, I saw numerous audio issues [last night mostly askubu] so now have direct location :)
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:50] <ducasse> good morning
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[14:59] <akem> Got a bad bug with my freshly compiled kernel. Everything frozen and the vlc that was playgin music looping few ms. Had to power switch off, but nothing in logs whatever.
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> wich kernel was that akem
[15:00] <akem> I tried to reproduce it, but all i got was a segfault from ffmpeg.
[15:00] <akem> [00007f0084cd4b90] avcodec decoder: Using Intel i965 driver for Intel(R) Skylake - 2.1.0 for hardware decoding
[15:00] <akem> [h264 @ 0x7f0084d06d20] mmco: unref short failure
[15:00] <akem> ^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^C^CSegmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:00] <akem> 5.5.9
[15:02] <akem> I think it's the hardware decoder.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> akem: you need 5.5 specificly for something?
[15:15] <akem> lotuspsychje, Yes, it fixes a bug with i915 lockup, and all my hardware is functionnal, especialy Wifi so i'm happy with it.
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> great
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> akem: but why dont you use the !mainline kernels? or isnt it ubuntu?
[15:16] <akem> I'll continue using it, i'll see if it happens again in normal usage. That's the first time i have this bug and i was doing weird video convertions with ffmpeg :)
[15:17] <akem> Yes it's Ubuntu 18.04, well because i wanted to compile my own. I always had troubles before with this hardware with Ubuntu kernels.
[15:17] <akem> That one is newer.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[15:18] <akem> It's an HP pavilion laptop.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> i would still suggest to file a bug on the current kernel, so the devs know about your bug
[15:21] <akem> I don't know where to report bugs for a kernel.
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> akem: filing bugs on ubuntu is not very hard, use ubuntu-bug packagename from terminal
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> in the case its against your kernel, ubuntu-bug linux
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> then you get forwarded to launchpad, enter a title & description and you got your bug
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> akem: just make sure you are then booted into the current kernel for your ubuntu version
[15:27] <daftykins> skylake is 4 years old at this point, chasing kernels for something for it doesn't sound right


[01:34] <mediacenter> I have an acer aspire 3810TZ that has an atheros wireless N built in and was running Windows Vista Home Premium. With Windows I got 130mbs. Now I am running Ubuntu 10.4 and I get only 1mbs or unknown. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[01:37] <Sensiva> mediacenter I guess you need to ask in #Ubuntu
[01:50] <mediacenter> I have an acer aspire 3810TZ that has an atheros wireless N built in and was running Windows Vista Home Premium. With Windows I got 130mb/s. Now I am running Ubuntu 10.4 and I get only 1mb/s or unknown. Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[01:56] <bazhang> mediacenter, this channel is for 10.10 not 10.04
[01:56] <mediacenter> Bazhang: It's the same issue on 10.10
[01:57] <bazhang> mediacenter, you mention 10.04 in your post; that is for #ubuntu
[01:58] <mediacenter> Bazhang: I know but I have the same problem on both versions
[02:34] <bbordwell> Is anyone else getting EXTREMELY slow update-manger start up times?
[02:35] <IdleOne> bbordwell: just tested and took less then 5 seconds
[02:36] <bbordwell> IdleOne, hmm for me it sticks on building dependency tree for about 2 minutes with 100% cpu usage on one core
[02:37] <IdleOne> nope no issue here and as a matter of fact I think the upgrade in progress is going to fix my calculator bug I reported earlier
[02:39] <bbordwell> hmm It happened from an upgrade, then just now I did a fresh install and it happened again.
[02:40] <bbordwell> I guess i will get working on a good bug report
[02:44] <bbordwell> I do not seem to be able to find a man page for update-manger does anyone know where i could find it?
[02:45] <holstein> not much to man update-manager eh?
[02:47] <IdleOne> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/en/man8/update-manager.8.html
[02:47] <bbordwell> eh never mind --help worked
[02:47] <IdleOne> doesn't seem to have man pages for maverick yet
[04:46] <Jordan_U> xulrunner has been configuring for an hour now, any ideas?
[06:55] <aaronwball> I have a question about how to get some information regarding a problem with Maverick's wifi on an intel chipset.
[06:55] <aaronwball> Any command line gurus have a few seconds?
[06:56] <bilalakhtar> hello people, I am upgrading my system from lucid to maverick. Is maverick somewhat stable? or it crashes very often?
[06:57] <aaronwball> Hi bilalakhtar...I'm no guru here but have been testing ubuntu alphas and betas for about a year now.
[06:58] <aaronwball> I've tested maverick live and persistent and it seems to be stable to me.
[06:58] <bilalakhtar> aaronwball: I am ready to take care of small crashes. But sys breakups like kernel panics?
[06:59] <bilalakhtar> I hope not.
[08:12] <robertzaccour> is there gonna be a new theme for Xubuntu?
[08:18] <robertzaccour> is there gonna be a new theme for Xubuntu?
[08:49] <robertzaccour> is there gonna be a new theme for Xubuntu?
[09:27] <the_student> Are there any major show-stoppers in nightly?
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> the_student: why don't you try and let us know? :)
[09:41] <BUGabundo_remote> I haven't seen much breakage recently
[09:41] <BUGabundo_remote> other then the uterly slowdown system with unknown root cause
[10:28] <coz_> hey guys.. has progress been made on maveick for installing official nvidia drivers... wallpaper options working... external hard drives with multiple partitions right click unmount with no cache errors..
[10:36] <funcqshun> hello, i have a bug in maverick, can anyone help me please?
[10:37] <bazhang> funcqshun, have you filed it yet?
[10:37] <bazhang> !bugs
[10:38] <funcqshun> everything was running fine, then i made the bottom panel orientation to be on top, and then it was fine as well. when i rebooted the next morning gnome panel was all fucked up, i can barely use it. i havent filed yet since i can only use one application at a time in an xterm session. please help!
[10:39] <bazhang> funcqshun, please file a bug, and also thanks for watching the language
[11:08] <DrHalan> is firefox 3.7 the same as 4.0 on windows?
[11:36] <DrHalan> is anyone else experiencing freezes of x?
[13:09] <funcqshun> hello, when i try to connect to an ftp server via nautilus i get this: 'DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)'. Any solutions?
[13:11] <DrHalan> funcqshun: are you sure the server is there? i mean it could be an ftp error
[13:12] <DrHalan> maybe try another (public) server
[13:12] <funcqshun> and, is there a replacement in the meanwihle to access files on a remote server via ftp or ssh and get it to play nicely with nautilus and gedit?
[13:12] <funcqshun> yes, the server is most definitely there, since i can ssh and ftp in via terminal
[13:13] <funcqshun> further, i just tried via gftp and it works, but not via nautilus. anyone knows why?
[15:26] <iceman_3233> hello
[15:27] <iceman_3233> getting this error? W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/bisigi/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[15:28] <iceman_3233> says it's broken?
[15:28] <iceman_3233> bisigi
[15:30] <Daekdroom> iceman_3233, bisigi PPA currently doesn't have maverick packages.
[15:30] <iceman_3233> how can I remove?
[15:30] <iceman_3233> in terminal
[15:31] <Daekdroom> System > Adm > Software Channels > Other software > unmark the bisigi
[15:31] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[15:31] <Daekdroom> sudo ppa-purge ppa:bisigi/ppa
[15:31] <Daekdroom> But that'll also remove all bisigi packages
[15:31] <iceman_3233> I'll try the first one. Thank you so much
[15:46] <Chipaca> is today a good day to take my main box to M?
[15:47] <Ian_corne> any day is a good day to screw up your main install!
[15:47] <Ian_corne> I've done it yesterday
[15:48] <Ian_corne> only had some ati issues, which were fixed by uninstalling fglrx and installing the os driver
[15:48] <Chipaca> 64 bits?\
[15:48] <Ian_corne> yes
[15:49] <Ian_corne> npbviewer crashed a few times already (nothing new) and nautilus once and telepathy-butterfly
[15:53] <BluesKaj> interesting , this pc is supposedly an amd64 cpu , but 64bit ubuntu won't install on it
[15:54] <BluesKaj> I have 32 bit installed ok
[15:54] <Ian_corne> weird
[15:54] <Ian_corne> daily 64 bit broken?
[15:54] <Ian_corne> or is this lucid?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> nope maverick
[17:37] <Daekdroom> There is some serious problem with maverick RAM usage.
[18:05] <Draglor> I got kde 4.5 rc1 installed (kubuntu 10.04) but I can't copy large files (reproducable on an 170 MB file) to a vfat formatted disk usind kde (or even usind console if automounted by KDE) the only way to copy for me is mounting the device manually as root and copy then. Does anyone have the same issue maybe even a solution? (The file is partly copied, but hangs at random copied MB, sometimes it copys the full file, but doesn't finish it and hangs at
[18:05] <Draglor>  0 seconds, if I try to read this file it's broken) ... I can copy small files, but it fails at large files
[18:08] <Chipaca> Draglor: when automounted, what does 'mount' print out?
[18:09] <Draglor> The permissions are right
[18:10] <Draglor> I can copy files .. but files > 150 MB don't finish (even not by mv or cp on console)
[18:11] <Draglor> /dev/sdb1 on /media/2GB_SD type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush)
[18:11] <Chipaca> that seems ok
[18:15] <Draglor> it is ok
[18:15] <Draglor> I can copy, I can remove, I can do anything on this drive, but I can't copy lalrge files to it
[18:16] <Draglor> If I mount it manually (using mount as root) it works
[18:34] <Draglor> noone any hint?
[18:46] <Draglor> could anyone say if this is a kde or an ubuntu (kubuntu) issue?
[18:50] <Draglor> thx for your help guys ...
[18:50] <yofel> I don't have a vfat drive at hand to test it currently
[18:51] <yofel> could be KDE or HAL though from what you say
[18:51] <Draglor> I know
[18:51] <Draglor> or udev (used by HAL)
[18:52] <Draglor> but permissions are right (so it seems not to be udev or hal) as I can copy smaller files
[18:52] <Draglor> but by using console (where it does not work as well) it seems to be udev IMHO
[18:52] <Draglor> but using gnome it works
[18:53] <Draglor> so my belief is, that is it kde somehow
[18:54] <Draglor> I tried it on 4 boxes all having the same issue ....
[18:54] <Draglor> all running kubuntu (and kde rc1) (but on #kde there's no such issue
[18:55] <Draglor> well .. but this seems to be the wrong place to ask about this .. thanks for anyone trying to help ....
[18:57] <Draglor> this channel isn't really helpfull is it?
[18:58] <Ian_corne> omg
[18:58] <Ian_corne> please be more friendly
[18:58] <Ian_corne> and be patient
[18:59] <Ian_corne> you're not making it any more likely for someone to help you with those comments
[19:00] <Ian_corne> and you're here for 10.04 support?
[19:03] <Draglor> no 10.04 would be #ubuntu for me
[19:04] <Draglor> But I didn't expect any help here, I just asked inside here cause I was asked to ask here .... I knew before that it would be useless ....
[19:04] <Pici> Draglor: #ubuntu+1 is only for 10.10 support. Since you said you are using 10.04, you shouldn't be asking in this channel,.
[19:04] <Pici> Draglor: Who told you to ask here?
[19:04] <Draglor> that's why I didn't ask in äubuntu Pici
[19:05] <Draglor> a guy on twitter (I won't reveal his name nor nickname)
[19:05] <Draglor> I'm using maverick and kde 4.5 rc1
[19:05] <Draglor> Should I ask in #ubuntu?
[19:05] <Pici> Draglor: Thats not what you said earlier.
[19:06] <Draglor> what did I say earlier?
[19:06] <Pici> 13:05:35 <Draglor> I got kde 4.5 rc1 installed (kubuntu 10.04)....
[19:06] <Draglor> oh sorry just read it .. it's 10.10 not 10.04
[19:06] <Draglor> but just thanks for the help
[19:07] <Pici> Then this is the place to ask.  Sorry if that was confusing.
[19:07] <Draglor> This was my fault
[19:07] <Chipaca> is the cursor flickering like crazy a known issue?
[19:08] <Draglor> But I didn't want to ask here .... I knew why (same for #kde) ;) I was "forced" by some guys on twitter to say it here .. they said anyone here might help (what wasn't my experience)
[19:09] <Draglor> And isn't my experience now as well
[19:09] <yofel> right now asking for kubuntu support is a bit of a bad time anyway, as it's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay today
[19:10] <Daekdroom> yofel, so we should expect all the kubuntu experienced people to be on that?
[19:10] <Daekdroom> *most of
[19:10] <yofel> propably
[19:12] <Draglor> Well ... I won't switch, but I'll advice others to use gnome (ubuntu) as it works on that
[19:40] <Draglor> well ... same on kde (in lucid)
[19:45] <edgy> Hi, I upgraded to maverick and the network manager tool looks as normal (enable wireless, manage connections, connect to other network), but from the livecd it looks much better with some graphs and more options, how can delete my old configs so I get this new look?
[20:23] <aliendude3500> hey guys, I have NOTHING open except for the Update Manager and XChat, and I still have 1.9GB/2GB of RAM in use. I think there is a major memory leak, but I'm not sure what it
[20:23] <aliendude3500> 's in. What should I do?
[20:23] <aliendude3500> sorry about that being two messages -- bumped enter by mistake
[20:24] <jag0> aliendude3500, #top, read man page to order by cpu... also ps can do it
[20:24] <aliendude3500> I'm in Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha 2 right now. I upgraded from Lucid with do-release-upgrade -d
[20:24] <jag0> aliendude3500, also, gnome-system-monitor
[20:24] <aliendude3500> jag0, I tried system monitor and nothing seemed to be using more than 30MB.
[20:25] <aliendude3500> also, I tried htop and the highest number for mem was 5.8
[20:25] <aliendude3500> htop is just like top but easier imho
[20:25] <jag0> alpha eh? no help from me then
[20:25] <jag0> hmm
[20:25] <zakscott> im having trouble with nvidia drivers and my ion chip in 10.10
[20:25] <aliendude3500> I think there is a kernel memory leak
[20:26] <aliendude3500> even as root, I couldn't find an offending process
[20:26] <Pici> aliendude3500: How much ram is being used by buffers/cache? see the output from; free -m
[20:26] <aliendude3500> Everything seemed to be using low ram
[20:26] <aliendude3500> Pici: 323588
[20:26] <jag0> aliendude3500, I also have only 60mb free and only running a few things
[20:26] <zakscott> anyone have success with nvidia drivers in maverick and an nvidia ion chip?
[20:26] <aliendude3500> Then it's certainly a memory leak...
[20:27] <aliendude3500> I have 30MB free right now. My system is often freezing momentarily
[20:27] <aliendude3500> zakscott: we read your message once, don't bother reposting it, it clutters chat.
[20:27] <jag0> I use free -m and I also am using 1.8gb mem only running xchat and terminals . do we think this is similar to the 99% cpu thing in windows? ok i gotta go
[20:28] <Pici> huh?
[20:28] <aliendude3500> jag0: I'm running the same things as you. Yeah, it seems to be a common issue
[20:29] <aliendude3500> is there a way to dump my memory to a file? I have a 1.5TB hard disk, I can afford to waste space...
[20:29] <edgy> Hi, I upgraded to maverick and the network manager tool looks as normal (enable wireless, manage connections, connect to other network), but from the livecd it looks much better with some graphs and more options, how can delete my old configs so I get this new look?
[20:29] <aliendude3500> I just want to be able to look at each process and see what's using the most ram
[20:30] <aliendude3500> zakscott: Try installing the noveau drivers. That's better than nothing. I think they should work with your card. I have an ATI, so I wouldn't know...
[20:31] <aliendude3500> edgy: try pressing ctrl+h in your home directory. That should show hidden files.
[20:32] <aliendude3500> edgy: then delete these folders:
[20:32] <aliendude3500> ... sec ...
[20:32] <edgy> aliendude3500: those files contains my important 100000000 mails
[20:32] <edgy> aliendude3500: and lots of other important stuff
[20:32] <aliendude3500> .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private .gconf .gconfd
[20:32] <aliendude3500> only delete the ones I listed.
[20:32] <edgy> aliendude3500: it's kde btw
[20:33] <aliendude3500> oh... KDE? dang.
[20:33] <aliendude3500> That would've worked in gnome.
[20:33] <TommyThaGun> why do I get a  Hash Sum mismatch
[20:33] <TommyThaGun> why do I get a  "Hash Sum mismatch" error when doing an apt-get update?
[20:33] <zakscott> aliendude3500 are the noveau drivers in the main repos?
[20:33] <aliendude3500> zakscott: they should be, let me check for you
[20:34] <aliendude3500> dang... so low memory my computer can barely browse the internet :(
[20:35] <aliendude3500> I think there is a ppa for the newer noveau drivers that work on more cards...
[20:35] <aliendude3500> zakscott: try this:
[20:35] <aliendude3500> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau
[20:35] <aliendude3500> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[20:35] <aliendude3500> that might work, but I don't have an nvidia card to test it on.
[20:36] <aliendude3500> let me know if that works
[20:36] <zakscott> i tried installing nvidia-current
[20:36] <zakscott> to no avail :(
[20:36] <aliendude3500> noveau works better than the nvidia proprietary driver on newer kernels and versions of X.org
[20:36] <edgy> aliendude3500: do you have any idea whether ati fglrx works now?
[20:37] <aliendude3500> remove the nvidia-current driver and install noveau for now
[20:38] <aliendude3500> edgy: I have an old X1950 GT in the PC I'm on right now, and my card isn't supported anymore, but I do have another computer with an ATI  Radeon 4850HD card, but that's running Lucid. However, fglrx works fine on that pc.
[20:39] <aliendude3500> I know the nvidia drivers don't work on the new version of the X server, so you have to use the noveau drivers if you're on maverick. I heard that the noveau drivers are getting closer and closer to matching the proprietary drivers performance
[20:39] <edgy> aliendude3500: I am asking whether fglrx works with maverick
[20:40] <aliendude3500> edgy: I know that... I don't have an answer for you, but I'd assume it's not yet updated for the new X server yet.
[20:41] <edgy> aliendude3500: ok thanks
[20:42] <aliendude3500> I'd test it with my other computer, but it's very important that that computer works right now, as I have a lot of important files on it. sorry...
[20:42] <aliendude3500> zakscott: any luck with noveau?
[20:43] <bjsnider> nouveau will not be matching the 3d performance of the nvidia driver any time soon
[20:43] <bjsnider> 2d is good though
[20:43] <zakscott> aliendude3500: cant get that apt-repo to go through
[20:44] <zakscott> but i did find xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[20:44] <zakscott> aliendude3500: should i run nvidia-xconfig now?
[20:45] <aliendude3500> I think nvidia-xconfig is part of the proprietary driver, not noveau...
[20:45] <aliendude3500> I wouldn't suggest that if the proprietary driver isn't working for you
[20:45] <zakscott> device driver "nvidia"?
[20:45] <zakscott> or should i put nouveau
[20:46] <aliendude3500> Umm... let me check
[20:48] <bjsnider> all you need to do to use nouveau is remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and uninstall nvidia-current
[20:50] <aliendude3500> really? I think you have to set it in    /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you installed the proprietary driver before, since that changes settings...
[20:50] <bjsnider> no, if you remove that file it uses the default driver for that platform, which is nouveau
[21:04] <Draglor> aliendude3500: xorg conf isn't used anymore .. it's settings are generated by udev(hal
[21:05] <Draglor> it's only used by old setups .. on actual systems it is not there anymore
[21:05] <Ian_corne> new kernel update inc
[21:05] <Ian_corne> Draglor: only for the OS drivers
[21:06] <Ian_corne> if you use fglrx or nvidia drivers, it'll require you to put an xorg
[21:06] <Ian_corne> the tools do it for you tho
[21:06] <Ian_corne> oh he was talking about the OS driver
[21:08] <Draglor> Ian_corne: OS drivers?
[21:08] <Draglor> KDE itself does use udev
[21:09] <Ian_corne> open source
[21:09] <Draglor> hm?
[21:09] <Ian_corne> hard mode?
[21:09] <Draglor> I use a proprietary nvidia card and I don't have an xorg.conf ...
[21:10] <Draglor> so how does this work?
[21:10] <Ian_corne> do you have the proprietary driver in use
[21:10] <Ian_corne> or nvidia?
[21:10] <Draglor> yes
[21:10] <Draglor> the prop driver
[21:10] <Draglor> but no xorg.conf
[21:10] <Ian_corne> weird then, my boxes don't work if I remove the xorg and try to use the driver
[21:10] <Draglor> as it's configured by hal/udev since 9.04
[21:11] <Ian_corne> I do have dual screens on my nvidia box
[21:11] <Draglor> there's no need for an xorg.conf anymore
[21:11] <Draglor> me too
[21:11] <Draglor> the former xorg.xonf is now generated by udev/hal
[21:12] <Ian_corne> wasn't hal being decommisioned?
[21:12] <Draglor> still there
[21:12] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[21:13] <Draglor> it is being deprecated by udev, but not yet
[21:14] <janisozaur> which version of gcc does maverick ship with?
[21:14] <TommyThaGun> when I upgraded to maverick, I was so unaware of any differences from lucid to maverick that I looked at System > About Ubuntu... and it still says Lucid Lynx
[21:15] <bazhang> !info gcc
[21:16] <janisozaur> hmm... any idea why not 4.5?
[21:16] <guntbert> TommyThaGun: changes "under the hood" come first I guess, UI only later
[21:16] <h00k> !info gcc maverick
[21:16] <h00k> oh, look. ubottu does maverick. I missed that.
[21:17] <janisozaur> !info gcc-4.5
[21:17] <janisozaur> ah, I see - it's optional
[21:54] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:55] <BUGabundo> system is looking more responsive now
[21:55] <BUGabundo> not sure what changed in todays updates
[21:55] <BUGabundo> to improve this
[21:57] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, if I had to guess, I'd think it's Ubuntu One nautilus integration.
[21:57] <Ian_corne> :p
[21:58] <Daekdroom> They managed to break the linux-image-generic and linux-headers-generic packages O.O
[21:59] <BUGabundo> o.O
[21:59] <Daekdroom> Aptitude is holding them back.
[22:01] <BUGabundo> not here
[22:01] <Daekdroom> Hm..
[22:01] <BUGabundo> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:01] <Daekdroom> linux-image-generic version differs from the kernel package..
[22:02] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.35-6-generic #9-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 1 03:01:23 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:02] <BUGabundo> !info linux
[22:03] <Daekdroom> Most recent version is <IP_ADDRESS>.8 here
[22:03] <Ian_corne> It's not in the repo's yet I think
[22:03] <Ian_corne> Initializing package states... Done
[22:03] <Ian_corne> The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[22:04] <Daekdroom> well, linux, linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic are
[22:04] <Daekdroom> The matching kernels, not so much
[22:31] <ripps> geez, they should have waited until linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS> was ready before pushing linux-generic forward
[22:32] <ripps> it's not available for i386


[00:03] <Riddell> yuriy: sure, can try and do it tomorrow
[00:13] <yuriy> cool. meanwhile, a wiki page for improvement suggestions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Guidance/Userconfig
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/kcm-gtk
[00:46] <nixternal> hey, is there an issue with PyKDE4 right now?
[00:53] <nixternal> heh, update pyqt4 and now it just segfaults :/
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> I'd guess that python-kde4 would need a rebuild, but we aren't building that for now
[01:01] <nixternal> why is that?
[01:02] <nixternal> i noticed they are all dep-wait in the builders right now
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, looks like we are
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> we couldn't get them to build at first, but Riddell gave them a nice whack it seems
[01:02] <nixternal> Riddell: any reason that kdebindings is staying in dep wait in teh builders?
[01:03] <nixternal> pyqt4 dbg is build and in the repos now cuz I just installed it
[01:44] <nixternal> OK, I re-kicked off the kdebindings builds...only because I need updated pykde4
[01:52] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[01:53] <_Groo_> just a kick note, kde 4.2 beta 2 kdeutil is broken
[01:54] <_Groo_> its trying to install kde-printer-applet but the new package is called only printer-applet.. ence it doesnt install
[01:54] <_Groo_> because the old package is for beta 1
[01:54] <nixternal> SETBOOT /IBD:C
[01:54] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[01:55] <_Groo_> ScottK: ping
[01:55] <nixternal> you can't talk, I just rebooted you
[01:55] <nixternal> have to wait for the command line to come back up before you can echo again :p
[01:55] <_Groo_> hi nixternal
[01:55] <nixternal> howdy
[01:56] <_Groo_> well im in a hurry just wanted to warn you guys about kdeutils
[01:56] <nixternal> for x in stomach.empty_space:
[01:56] <nixternal>     x.append(food)
[01:56] <_Groo_> and what happened to kdebindings.. its not listed in the ppa anymore
[01:56] <nixternal> stomach.fill(x)
[01:56] <_Groo_> python is good for empty stomach ;)
[01:57] <nixternal> I just kicked off rebuilds for kdebindings in karmic
[01:57] <nixternal> dunno about PPA
[01:57] <nixternal> haven't been paying attention there unfortunately :(
[01:57]  * nixternal goes to eat, I am starving
[01:57] <_Groo_> ok
[01:57] <_Groo_> what about kdeutils?
[01:57] <_Groo_> probably someone forgot the old dependency
[02:52] <lex79> Riddell or ScottK: launchpad bug 385425
[03:11] <e-jat> is it plasmoid has bugs on 4.2.9 ( 4.3 beta2)
[03:11] <lex79> maybe the summary now is better :) Riddell launchpad bug 385425
[03:11] <vorian> Riddell: great! (re pykde)
[03:11] <lex79> ops in not update yet
[03:12] <vorian> is anyone else runnink karmic?
[03:13] <vorian> ... on a laptop
[03:14] <lex79> no
[03:17] <e-jat> can some help me to fix my desktop (plasmoid) in 4.3 beta2
[03:23] <e-jat> ?
[03:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Nice latency though.
[04:31]  * nixternal pokes - hurry up and accept the kdebindings binaries already! :)
[04:36] <ScottK> lex79: Looking at it.
[04:38] <lex79> thanks ;)
[04:41]  * ScottK considers should we have provided a transitional package too.
[04:43] <lex79> ScottK: ok I poke you when is done
[04:43] <ScottK> lex79: I'll do it.
[04:43] <lex79> oh ok :)
[05:27] <ejat> can someone help me with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/192168/
[05:54] <ScottK> lex79: Uploaded.
[05:55] <ScottK> Took quite a while to download all the build-dep on hotel internet.
[05:59] <ScottK> Not what you like to see in the build log "../../kgpg/keysmanager.cpp:1024:2: warning: #warning port me"
[08:44] <javi> hi, I'm using the kubuntu-ppa and today a lot of updates for kde showed up with 4.2.90 versions. Is this some kind of beta release from 4.3?
[08:47] <javi> this comes along a lot more upgrades to 4.2.4 versions
[09:03] <DaskreeCH> which ppa?
[09:04] <DaskreeCH> But if it says 4.2.90 then yes that's KDE 4.3
[09:05] <javi> launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty
[09:06] <javi> the fact is that 4.2.9 versions are for kdegames-mahjongg-data, system-config-printer-kde, kdebase-runtime-data-common, kdegames-card-data & kdepimlibs-data
[09:06] <javi> all other packages shows available updates to 4.2.4 versions
[09:07] <javi> that's why i'm asking, maybe there is some problem with the numeration
[09:39] <sebas> javi: you're mixing 4.2.4 with 4.3 beta2, good luck ;)
[09:39] <sebas> Seriously, remove on or the other, you might run into problems otherwise
[09:44] <Nightrose> current updates want to remove kdebase and kdebase-bin
[09:44] <Nightrose> that sounds not so good to me
[09:44] <Nightrose> Riddell: ^
[09:45] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ^
[09:46] <sebas> I'm using the 4.3 beta archive, and that one seems fine
[09:46] <Nightrose> i don't have that here
[09:50] <Nightrose> yea it wants to install 4.2.90 from the ppa
[09:51] <Nightrose> i am sure i don't have any ppa's enabled that should give me beta updates of 4.3
[09:51] <Nightrose> ScottK: ^ can you look into this?
[09:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:52] <apachelogger> you know, I have like 3 billion mails from apport about retraced stuff
[09:52] <Nightrose> dito
[09:52] <Nightrose> ah apachelogger
[09:52] <apachelogger> all from yesterday or today
[09:52] <Nightrose> yo are here now!
[09:52] <Nightrose> can you look into why people are getting beta packages which they shouldn't
[09:52] <apachelogger> like I would care about them darn retracing :P
[09:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what kind of beta?
[09:53] <Nightrose> kde 4.2.90
[09:53] <Nightrose> it currently wants to uninstall kdebase here
[09:53] <Nightrose> and all kinds of other scary stuff
[09:54] <Riddell> Nightrose: where are you installing 4.2.90 from?
[09:54] <Nightrose> Riddell: apt-cache policy says a ppa
[09:54] <Nightrose> i guess teh kubuntu one
[09:54] <Nightrose> non-experimental
[09:54] <Nightrose> i don't have experimental
[09:54] <tsimpson> there seem to be issues with the kubuntu-ppa/backports packages
[09:55] <Nightrose> ah that is enabled as well yea
[09:55] <tsimpson> people in #k are having issues at least
[09:55] <apachelogger> mhm
[09:55] <apachelogger> copied from experimental to backports
[09:55] <Nightrose> Oo
[09:56] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[09:56] <Nightrose> why now?
[09:56] <Nightrose> and why does it want to uninstall kdebase?
[09:56] <Nightrose> it's still beta
[09:56] <apachelogger> because the copy is b0rked
[09:56] <Nightrose> meh
[09:56] <apachelogger> because someone should not have copied it
[09:57] <apachelogger> bbecause KDE is rather slow in development coz otherwise it was stable already :P
[09:57] <Nightrose> who is allesandro ghersi?
[09:57] <Nightrose> this is pretty bad
[09:57] <Nightrose> really
[09:57] <Nightrose> people added that ppa all over the place to get amarok 2.1
[09:58] <Riddell> it failed to compile is why
[09:58] <Nightrose> lex79: ^
[09:59] <apachelogger> no telling that lex did break it :P
[10:00] <Nightrose> he copied it ;-)
[10:00] <Nightrose> which i think shouldn't have been done at this point
[10:00] <Riddell> I copied it
[10:00] <Riddell> it needs qedje, copying that too
[10:00] <Nightrose> ah
[10:00] <Nightrose> lex79: sorry
[10:00]  * Nightrose missread launchpad
[10:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I told you :P
[10:01] <apachelogger> though I think that is a bug in soyuz ... it's ppa interface should show who copied something, makes blaming easier :D
[10:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you copy by accident , or do you have some master plan on how to make 4.3 more stable in less time? :D
[10:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's backports, it's not guaranteed to be super stable
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: no no, 4.3.0 would be backports
[10:04] <Nightrose> i think so to
[10:04] <apachelogger> 4.2.x => updates, 4.3 pre-release => experimental, 4.3.x => backports
[10:04] <apachelogger> at least that was the destinationflow for intrepid *shrug*
[10:05] <Riddell> experimental has stuff like a new Qt in it and other experimental bits, you can't transition from experimental to backports once the 4.3 final is out
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: it needs to be rebuilt
[10:07] <apachelogger> technically it needs to be rebuilt between each ppa move anyway
[10:07] <Riddell> ?  it's being rebuilt
[10:08] <apachelogger> a) rebuilding should happen in the staging PPA
[10:08] <apachelogger> b) it should not be moved to backports until 4.3.0
[10:09] <apachelogger> anything should be built within staging IMHO, that way KDE in experimental would not depend on Qt 4.5.1 which would make the users life a lot easier
[10:09] <Riddell> mm, but experimental isn't a good place for it, it has other experimental bits in it
[10:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, you could apply the same reason to get amarok into the updates ppa
[10:10] <apachelogger> because now pre-4.3 is in backports which is of considerable more experimental stage than amarok 2.1 :D
[10:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: the whole problem is what I reported as bug 373197
[10:16] <Riddell> in our PPA discussions I did propose a backports-unstable, but didn't make it reasoning we could just use backports
[10:21] <apachelogger> experimental => unstable => backports => updates maybe
[10:21] <apachelogger> but really, what differs experimental from unstable?
[10:22] <Riddell> experimental is a place for random stuff
[10:22] <Riddell> KDE beta releases are less random
[10:22] <apachelogger> hm
[10:22] <javi> sebas: well I haven't mixed anything yet, it looked strange so that's why I came here first to ask
[10:22] <apachelogger> needs to be discussed
[10:22] <Riddell> mm
[10:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: I would introduced unstable, but also establish a strong policy on what can go there and what can not
[10:24] <Riddell> javi: 4.2.90 is beta 2 which is now building in experimental
[10:24] <Riddell> do
[10:24] <Riddell> javi: 4.2.90 is beta 2 which is now building in backports
[10:25] <apachelogger> bug 385503 :P
[10:26] <Riddell> I copied as the lp_archive user, you'd never know it was me, bwa ha ha
[10:26] <apachelogger> ewww
[10:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that'll just mean you'llg et blamed by default, whether you did it or not ;)
[10:28] <javi> I've disabled deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[10:29] <javi> and enabled deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[10:30] <javi> and that last is what shows the problem
[10:30] <Nightrose> javi: yea we just discussed it
[10:30] <javi> ah ok sorry
[10:30] <Nightrose> a package was missing
[10:30] <Nightrose> Riddell copied it now
[10:30] <Nightrose> so at least it should be installable again soon
[10:30] <Nightrose> but you gotta decide if you want beta 2 or not
[10:31] <javi> i've rather keep betas for the virtual machine :D
[10:31] <Nightrose> ;-)
[10:32] <Riddell> disable backports then
[10:33] <javi> but then 4.2.4 updates don't show up
[10:33] <javi> neither do it amarok 2.1
[10:34] <Nightrose> javi: amarok 2.1 will hopefully get into backports very soon
[10:34] <Nightrose> official backports that is
[10:35] <javi> and for kde 4.2?
[10:35] <Nightrose> no idea
[10:35] <javi> :-8
[10:35] <javi> ups
[10:35] <javi> :-( <- thats it :D
[10:50] <Riddell> has anyone looked into amarok and backports?
[10:50] <Riddell> any reason it can't just go there
[11:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: it needs the generator backported as well
[11:09] <Nightrose> and JontheEchidna didn't have time for that
[11:09] <Nightrose> besides that he said it should be ok iirc
[11:13] <Riddell> we have packages in the kubuntu backports ppa
[11:13] <Riddell> unrealated to the karmic packages, but they work
[12:00] <apachelogger> that said
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: the karmic stuff should replace what we have in backports
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: for qtscriptgenerator?
[12:11] <freinhard> should i file bugs for things going wrong with 4.2.4 on jaunty?
[12:14] <Riddell> freinhard: depends what's wrong
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: kopete-facebook.  what's the crack?
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was on vacations, looking right now
[12:15] <freinhard> define some shortcut for switching desktops, klick on the big K, switch desktop and get a not functional K button in the panel
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: last time I checked it ftbfs but you said you uploaded the fix.... let's try right now
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: if it builds, then I'll upload to revu and we can get it in today
[12:16] <freinhard> then get back to the original v-desktop, klick on the K, use alt-tab to focus the qt-subapplication and everything is fine again
[12:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'll prepare mid settings toonight fyi
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lkopete_videodevice
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: always the same issue
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: didn't you upload a fix for kdenetwork ?
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: I thought I did, let me check
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[12:22] <Riddell> freinhard: that sounds like a fairly complex upstream issue of the sort that is unlikely to get fixed at this stage I'm afraid, but do try the 4.3 beta 2 packages to see if it's fixed and complain if not
[12:22] <Riddell> libkopete-dev.install:usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so
[12:24] <freinhard> Riddell: there are 4.3b2 packages for jaunty?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: are there karmic packages for those ?
[12:25] <Riddell> >dpkg -L libkopete-dev | grep video
[12:25] <Riddell> /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: well my pbuilder chroot is up to date, lemme check
[12:25] <Riddell> freinhard: coming very soon, watch kubuntu.org
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: got libkopete-dev 4.2.90-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: so you must have /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so ?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking in the chroot gimme a sec
[12:28] <Tonio_> dpkg -L libkopete-dev | grep video
[12:28] <Tonio_> /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: got it
[12:29] <Riddell> voila
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe we can patch for just this atm...
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: could it be fixed svn maybe ?
[12:34] <Riddell> patch what?
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: debuild works..... investigating....
[12:40] <Riddell> of course it works, there's no problem!
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: why does puilder fail then ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe my chroot has an issue then
[12:41] <Tonio_> testing...
[12:41] <Riddell> it probably hasn't been updated
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: got a kernel freeze... it looks like I had bin diff in the dif.gz file.... retesting the buld
[12:57] <Lure> Riddell: why is kde 4.3 beta in backports? I would expect backports only for stable releases and experiemental for prereleases...
[12:58]  * Lure also thinks that having <release>-backports and ppa/backports makes it confusing
[13:02] <Lure> Riddell: after reading backlog from apachelogger: I agree with him, we should have clear separation between released and prerelease stuff
[13:03] <Lure> Riddell: people enabling backports ppa to get kde 4.2.4 are not expecting beta updates
[13:03] <Lure> Riddell: however I agree with you that experimental should be considered "will eat you babies"
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: as debuid works and pbuilder fails
[13:05] <Lure> Riddell: btw, can we use <release>-backports for 4.2.x updates? then renaming "ppa/backports" to "ppa/prerelease" would be the way to go
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we consider the build might succeed in the archives, and make an attemp ?
[13:05]  * Lure rests his case ;-)
[13:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can upload if you wish
[13:08] <freinhard> any ideas howto reset the parallel port after hibernation?
[13:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it seems apport deleted all the core dumps from duplicates
[13:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[13:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[13:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded
[13:26] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, seems like we want yet another PPA then
[13:26] <Riddell> but too late for this relase I think
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect a missing build-dep
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: debuild inside a chroot doesn't work, but locally, no pb
[13:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what could be missing ?
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: works when kopete binary package is installed
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a packaging issue on that point I suspect
[13:43] <Riddell> build-deps on libkopete-dev ?
[13:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: libkopete-dev doesn't depend nore install kopere
[13:43] <Riddell> I'd need to see the error message to say more
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: still the same message.... ld cannot find libkopete-videodevice
[13:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: put the package on revu and I can look at it
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[13:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: it needs to build-dep on kopete too
[13:47] <Riddell> kopete contains the /usr/lib/libkopete_videodevice.so.4.3.0 file
[13:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[13:47] <Riddell> probably libkopete-dev should depend on kopete
[13:47] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: pong
[13:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[13:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: I setup a PPA
[13:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: that may explain the problem
[13:47] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: hmm
[13:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: let me find the link
[13:48] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ok great
[13:48] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: here it is: https://launchpad.net/~kon-smanis/+archive/ppa
[13:48] <Artemis_Fowl> it contains a recent build of kgrubeditor
[13:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: have fun :) test is whenever you find the time
[13:49] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: cool :)
[13:49]  * Artemis_Fowl has to go now
[13:49] <Artemis_Fowl> bb
[13:49] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: uhm, I hope it work. If it doesn't, then let me know
[13:49] <seele> ok
[13:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed, this is the issue...
[13:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'd say make libkopete-dev depend on kopete then
[13:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[13:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you do that and upload?  I'm running from a live CD just now
[13:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixing this and uploading
[13:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb
[13:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdenetwork uploaded
[13:55] <Tonio_> better wait for it to approve kopete-facebook then...
[14:03] <Riddell> add a versioned build-dep
[14:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: done
[14:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: Depends: kopete (= ${binary:Version}), ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev}
[14:31] <Riddell> **  Kubuntu alpha 2 candidate CDs need testing!
[14:32] <Riddell> yay, lots of seeles!
[14:32] <seele> lots of love to go around!
[14:33]  * seele is looking at konversation and quassel
[14:33] <seele> Riddell: if anything is going on with printing, you should put it on my TODO or i probably wont remember to look at it
[14:33] <seele> seele/KarmicTODO
[14:42] <ScottK> Looks like we should have bumped build-dep version needed of kdelibs-experimental in those packages that build-dep on it.
[14:53] <tomsdale> Hi - Does Kubuntu/KDE consider the file /etc/hosts for name resolution at all? according to /etc/nsswitch.conf I have "hosts: files dns" so it should look for local name resolution first but it doesn't.
[15:00] <rgreening> hello rickspencer3
[15:00] <rickspencer3> hello rgreening
[15:02] <rgreening> how goes the battle rickspencer3
[15:06] <rickspencer3> rgreening: battle?
[15:07] <rgreening> battle, as in daily work :P
[15:07] <rgreening> you know, it's all a battlefield :)
[15:07] <rgreening> or is that love? I constantly mix up my sayings :>
[15:24]  * rgreening guesses the battle doth no go well for Sir rickspencer3
[15:24] <rickspencer3> hehe
[15:25] <rgreening> :>
[15:25] <rickspencer3> rgreening: this is a fun, but stressful and busy time of the cycle for me
[15:25] <rgreening> I imagine so...
[15:26] <rickspencer3> I have to try to understand and articulate what the desktop teams are planning, in a manner that is digestible to various audiences
[15:26] <rgreening> If I could only quit my current job and do this 7/24... :P
[15:26] <rickspencer3> hehe
[15:26] <rgreening> and grow 8 more arms
[15:26]  * rgreening wonders about stem cells...
[15:27] <rgreening> rickspencer3: well, the usb-creator-kde port for Kubuntu MID is moving along...
[15:27] <rgreening> its one of the critical parts...
[15:28]  * rgreening mangles some more gtk into Qt...
[15:29] <rickspencer3> hehe
[15:40] <seele> is there a blueprint on kubuntu mid? i have no idea what the goals are
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: so how do I install usb-creator from bzr?\
[15:42] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if you mean the -kde bit, it's not integrated into the dbian package (started but not completed). to run it form the local dir, do the following:
[15:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: cp ./bin/usb-creator-kde . && cp ./gui/usbcreator.ui . && ./usb-creator-kde
[15:43] <rgreening> do this in the bzr dir
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> crash, I suppose I have the usb stick crash?
[15:45]  * JontheEchidna has a few things in his usb ports
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, this could be the pyqt4 crash that everybody's getting in karmic
[15:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'm in jaunty
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> but software-properties works
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> so my crash probably isn't the karmic pyqt crash
[15:50] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: if you comment out the gobject timeout_add section, it doesn't crash.
[15:51] <rgreening> so, some interaction with gobject, DbusGMainLoop and qt with it's own main/threads is likely the issue...
[15:51] <rgreening> though I can't figure it out...
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> there is a Qt DbusMainLoop you could try
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, but is this a backend running in a separate thread?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> ouch
[15:54] <rgreening> yep
[15:56] <rgreening> so, my choices are figure out how to make it work. fork a copy of the backend, or write a wrapper class and split out the gtk/glib/gobject and qt bits into the wrapper(s) and load them depending on the fe used.
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> jockey uses a DBusGMainLoop too
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> woner what its doing
[15:59] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: If you can figure this out, it would be a great gift :)
[16:00] <rgreening> and my birthday is just around the corner :)
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> it looks like jockey has an abstracted UI class that does dbus for either backend
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> and the jockey-kde frontend implements a graphical representation of several UI backend functions
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> and therefore doesn't have to do any dbusy-ness itself
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> backend -> AbstractUI -> DE-specific UI
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> to restate this after I have collected my thoughts... the abstract UI talks to the backend and gives the kde and gtk uis the strings and stuff with which to populate the GUI
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> this would mean major changes to the gtk side of things
[16:16] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: all the dbus, glib, gobject stuff is currently in the backend.py
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> but the frontend tries to communicate with it
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> usign dbus
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> which causes the threading issues/crash
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> or at least I think that's the cause
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> I'm having similar issues with the jockey kcm
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> actually, it's not that similar come to think of it
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> but it is similar in that its a dbus-related crash
[16:23] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: frontend has an instance of backend. Backend has all the bits. but yes, some threading issue or main loop issue for sure.
[16:23] <Riddell> seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicNetbook
[16:23]  * shtylman working on some more OO patches...goal for end of day: OO with kde integration in my PPA for jaunty :)
[16:24] <rgreening> OMG shtylman.. cool
[16:24] <Riddell> seele: package what upstream does and get it working is the hope
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: thanks for writting the specs while I was on vacations :)
[16:33] <seele> Riddell: i didnt think MID was going to have much done for 4.3 but i guess i'm wrong
[16:47] <firephoto> what's the new name for what was kubuntu-ppa/backports? (or wherever backport proposed things are going today) for jaunty btw.
[16:57] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ping ping ping ping ping ping ping
[17:16] <Riddell> seele: netbook not mid.  upstream says they expect it to be in working order for october and there's code there now which does something.  but it may not happen indeed
[17:16] <Riddell> seele: tonio also has opinions on the apps suitable for netboot
[17:16] <Riddell> firephoto: kubuntu-ppa/backports is it
[17:16] <Riddell> dudes, I'm away for the next two days, let me know now if there's anything I need
[17:17] <Riddell> anything you need from me
[17:45] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: is the package working?
[17:47] <yuriy> Riddell: userconfig package? not that urgent of course
[18:21] <smarter> is it me or has Ctrl+Maj+Z(Redo) stopped working in 4.3? (beta1 at least)
[18:28] <rgreening> anyone know the correct way to use gobject in a PyKde app?
[18:50] <Riddell> yuriy: sorry ran out of time
[18:50] <Riddell> cheereo all, back on saturday sometime
[18:50] <Riddell> oh please test the daily and daily-live CDs and report on iso.qa.ubuntu.com, alpha 2 candidates need testing
[18:55] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: yes, i got it installed OK. i havent had a chance to look at all the changes yet though
[19:06] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ok nice. I just wanted to check that
[19:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: btw there arent many changes. only the autmagic management is new
[19:07] <Artemis_Fowl> automagic*
[19:10] <Artemis_Fowl> yeah, confirmed. looking at the changelog, the only UI changes is Automagic management and using PolicyKit to acquire root priveleges. nothing else has changed in the UI
[19:32] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: i suppose kgrubeditor can enter main with grub2?
[19:33] <apachelogger> scripts should make it a lot easier to avoid debian-magic, right? :)
[19:45] <lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5612
[19:45] <apachelogger> not now!
[19:46] <apachelogger> I am on a code roll here
[19:46] <lex79> lol
[19:51] <asraniel> any estimation when kde 4.3 beta 2 will be ready in backports for 9.04 ?
[19:55] <smarter> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-fr-base/+bug/380011 damn, why do people feel obligated to hack perfectly valid upstream translations? :/
[19:59] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: well, it doesn't support grub2 yet
[19:59] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: well, once you made it support grub2 :)
[19:59] <apachelogger> or is the debian-magic support going to be done before that?
[19:59] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: if I ever find the time...
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: it is already done
[20:00] <apachelogger> oh
[20:00] <apachelogger> uh
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: recently completed
[20:00] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: also released?
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> not yet releases
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> released*
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> soon to be released
[20:00] <Artemis_Fowl> within the next month I suppose
[20:01] <apachelogger> I see
[20:01] <Artemis_Fowl> seele must review it first plus I should finish some other minor things for the code to release
[20:01] <apachelogger> once it is, we should restart the main inclusion process
[20:01] <Artemis_Fowl> probably
[20:02] <apachelogger> I am afraid already :D
[20:02] <Artemis_Fowl> I think someone mentioned in the MIR that grub2 isn't necessary for the inclusion in main
[20:02] <Artemis_Fowl> eg. a statement that grub2 isn't supported would be fine
[20:02] <Artemis_Fowl> anyway
[20:03] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: well, in 9.10 the default bootloader is grub2 ... so it might very well be required now
[20:03] <Artemis_Fowl> oh
[20:03] <Artemis_Fowl> didn't know that
[20:03] <apachelogger> though upgrades do not get grub2, only new installs, so it might very well not be a requirement
[20:04] <apachelogger> it certainly is a requirement for being on the CD ... but since grub is still in main I think it would justify to have a GUI config editor for it in main as well
[20:04] <apachelogger> well, this will have to be discussed in the MIR :S
[20:04] <Artemis_Fowl> btw you guys are heros. debian packaging...oh god. it took me about 3 days to make a proper source debian package and make LP compile it for a PPA... :/
[20:05] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: grub2 has the same options as grub?
[20:05] <apachelogger> well, the config is completely different AFAIK
[20:05] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact about everything is completely different since grub2 is a rewrite of grub
[20:05] <Artemis_Fowl> because if a single UI can fir both cases, then only parsing the menu file is the issue
[20:06] <Artemis_Fowl> fit*
[20:06] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I didn't look into it much yet, but I would suppose that feature parity is a target for ubuntu 9.10
[20:07]  * Artemis_Fowl should install grub2 in a virtual box machine and test it
[20:07] <Artemis_Fowl> I have absolutely no idea how things are in the Grub2-land
[20:07] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: the format is quiet different, but it works more or less like the old one, with debian automagic in the middle :)
[20:07]  * smarter digs for his old grub.cfg
[20:07]  * apachelogger notes that the code needed for storing and reading configurations settings can at times be quite epic alright
[20:08] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/192873/
[20:08] <apachelogger> smarter: Artemis_Fowl: ^
[20:08] <smarter> damn, too fast :p
[20:09] <apachelogger> tbh
[20:09] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: nice. I'll keep it for test-casing
[20:09] <apachelogger> smarter: batpaste ftw
[20:09] <smarter> I should use that :)
[20:09] <apachelogger> I actually think that the whole file is more or less script influenced
[20:09] <smarter> as noted in the big fat warning in the top :p
[20:09] <apachelogger> that is where the whole references come from, each script spits in its settings etc.
[20:10]  * apachelogger goes back to epic settings code
[20:10] <Artemis_Fowl> hmm, seems as if reading the configs will be painful
[20:10] <smarter> for changes to not be removed at every update, you'd have to edit stuff in /etc/grub.d
[20:10] <Artemis_Fowl> multiple files...
[20:11] <apachelogger> well
[20:11] <apachelogger> you'd need to override I suppose
[20:11] <smarter> or if you go the easy way and don't dare to touch the automagically generated stuff, add files in there
[20:13] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: could you please dump me the contents of your /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub?
[20:13]  * apachelogger is wondering how to reduce the lines of config manipulation code :S
[20:13] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/192877/
[20:13] <apachelogger> the latter
[20:18] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/grub.d.tar.bz2
[20:19] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: nice. thank you
[20:19] <Artemis_Fowl> I would install GRUB2 in my machine but I still need grub legacy for testing
[20:20] <Artemis_Fowl> virtual box to my rescue I suppose
[20:20] <apachelogger> vbox \o/
[20:20] <Artemis_Fowl> ?
[20:20]  * Tonio_ works on packagekit packages
[20:22] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: virtualbox = vbox :P
[20:22] <Artemis_Fowl> y
[20:22] <Artemis_Fowl> what I din't is \o/
[20:22] <Artemis_Fowl> what I didn't get*
[20:22] <Artemis_Fowl> ^^
[20:23] <apachelogger> uh, I think I can squeeze some slocs out of abusing configRead() for setting the instance variables, though that probably is kinda evil ... evil is good though :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: well, that is my_right_arm my_head my_left_arm
[20:24] <Artemis_Fowl> that
[20:24] <Artemis_Fowl> I didn't know
[20:36] <lex79> JontheEchidna: launchpad bug 385676
[20:40] <e-jat> bug 385647
[20:42] <nixternal> turning apport-qt into apport-kde is no joke, it is a lot more than just s/QApplication/KApplication/
[20:46] <e-jat> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/192900/
[20:46] <e-jat> did i miss the phonon package ?
[20:48] <e-jat> anyone?
[20:50] <nixternal> what package are you trying to build?
[20:52] <nixternal> are you depending on and using pkg-kde-tools?
[20:52] <nixternal> e-jat: ^^
[20:55] <nixternal> you need to dep on pkg-kde-tools and libqt4-phonon-dev <- debian/control
[20:55] <nixternal> in and in debian/rules you need:
[20:56] <nixternal> include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk
[20:56] <neversfelde> wah, why can't we use a mediawiki :)
[20:56] <neversfelde> I started a description of how to use the PPAs
[20:56] <neversfelde> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ChristianMangold/UsingKubuntuPPAs
[20:56] <nixternal> DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_ALL := -- -xphonon
[20:57]  * nixternal goes back to working on apport
[21:01] <Quintasan> nixternal: Aren't we supposed to use debian-qt-kde.mk for kde core modules?
[21:07] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I uploaded digikam in experimental to fix bug 377560, it works
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> lex79: just to make sure that you aren't working on it already, have you started on the new qtcurve?
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> (I'm sponsoring your audex package at the moment by the way)
[21:24] <lex79> JontheEchidna: no
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: when you have time, bug 385707
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> includes Messages.sh :)
[23:05] <apachelogger> uha
[23:05] <apachelogger> I think I could publish my synergy plasmoid now
[23:05] <apachelogger> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:05] <apachelogger> code looks pretty slick, well except for the epic configuration fuzz
[23:22] <smarter> apachelogger: isn't a kcm module more appropriate than a plasmoid for configuring synergy? :)
[23:22] <smarter> (though it's probably not as fun to do)
[23:22] <apachelogger> yes, no, doesn't matter
[23:22] <apachelogger> I splitted the code earlier today, so one could create a KCM as easy
[23:23] <apachelogger> if it is possible using ruby-kde that is :D
[23:23] <smarter> yay for ruby stuff in kde :p
[23:24]  * apachelogger is wondering how to split the UI stuff out though
[23:25] <apachelogger> really, the plasmoid would be like 30 SLOC if I get the UI and associated configuration bloat out of the plasmoid code
[23:25] <apachelogger> well, maybe 100 SLOC :D
[23:28] <smarter> use Qt Designer?
[23:29] <apachelogger> smarter: it still needs to setup the UI and fill it with the config's data
[23:29] <smarter> put that in a separate class then
[23:30] <apachelogger> well, doing that is kinda difficult without taking away the dynamics though :P
[23:30] <apachelogger> would have to split into a gazillion functions or something
[23:33] <apachelogger> hm
[23:33] <apachelogger> oh
[23:33] <apachelogger> uh
[23:35] <neversfelde> ah
[23:35] <apachelogger> smarter: I could use the designer ui files as implementation base I suppose
[23:36] <apachelogger> that way I could hook the configuration crap into the UI loading essentially hiding it from the UI component, while still allowing the component to fiddle with the UI as it wishes to
[23:37] <smarter> you mean hacking the .cpp(or .rb in that case I guess) generated by designer?
[23:38] <apachelogger> no
[23:38] <apachelogger> class SynergyShareConfig < Ui_SynergyShareConfig
[23:39] <smarter> yes, that's the normal way to do it then :)
[23:39] <apachelogger> SynergyShareConfig implements a complete Ui_... but essentially I can add the config parsing and add it to a hooked-in setupUi function
[23:39] <apachelogger> never hack generated code :D
[23:39] <smarter> yep
[23:40]  * smarter wonders if Qt Declarative UI will make all that better
[23:40] <apachelogger> makes also a lot more sense because right now the config magic is done independent from the UI object even though it is realyl the same :D
[23:41] <smarter> I personally can't seem to understand what it is, what it does and why it does it, same for about anything in Qt Kinetic actually (wut is a state-machine?)
[23:43] <apachelogger> smarter: something useful for sure :D
[23:44] <smarter> totally unrelated: http://www.lolcatbible.com


[10:46] <crydotsnake-M> Hello everyone. I Hope you all Feeling Well.
[11:20] <RikMills> crydotsnake-M: Hi, all is good!
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:59] <crydotsnake-M> RikMills Sorry that i was inactive so Long. I still want to Contribute! :)).
 No problem
 I haven't  recently
 Fwd from clivejo: <clivejo> has anyone logged into it recently?
 ^ clivejo
[13:27] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Now i'm Back on Kubuntu :)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> what's wrong with the new 19.10 release sources/repos, users are complaining there are no release-upgrades using the cli
 Upgrades are intentionally delayed and managed by Ubuntu.  Rik was expecting (hoping) they would be enabled by Tuesday.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> too bad they missed the adverted release date by so much
 Yes, we should advertise the upgrade date more clearly.
[19:55] <RikMills> yofel: 20:54:30 /usr/lib/ruby/2.5.0/drb/drb.rb:744:in `rescue in block in open': druby://<IP_ADDRESS>:9991 - #<Errno::ECONNREFUSED: Connection refused - connect(2) for "<IP_ADDRESS>" port 9991> (DRb::DRbConnError)
[20:00] <RikMills> docker-monitor can't start
[20:15] <clivejo> RikMills: would you try if you get a wee minute?
[20:16]  * clivejo forgot to take out the bouncer
 Clivejo... try?  Anyway I can assist?
[20:16] <RikMills> clivejo: seems to log in
[20:17] <clivejo> to see if the Big Blue Button room is still there
[20:20] <RikMills> it is
[20:22] <clivejo> good stuff
[20:26] <clivejo> I removed all that stuff from Bitwarden and can't even remember the login URL!
[20:27] <RikMills> clivejo: https://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[20:29] <clivejo> LOL need a password too
 It works anyway
 Unlike KCI, which is screwed 😢
[20:51] <yofel> meh, I'll look in a bit
[20:51] <RikMills> yofel: think I got docker monitor going. missing gems
[20:52] <RikMills> the plugins being moaned about, not sure if we need
[21:02] <yofel> they sound as if we need them. But one try to fix the runtime ended with a NullPointerException, and I didn't have time to look more at that
[21:16] <mparillo> clivejo: I saved that password (keepassxc for the win). If you still need it, you can PM me.
[21:55] <clivejo> thanks mparillo, rik already sent me it on Telegram
[21:55] <clivejo> on there now having a chin wag
[21:58] <valorie> :-)
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> Anybody wanna give a little info on this one? I have only vague knowledge, and I hope I'm on-point: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/up-to-this-day-kubuntu-still-does-not-have-the-previously-removed-release-upgrade-notification/
[23:45] <valorie> you are exactly correct, Eickmeyer
[23:45] <valorie> although I have to say that I've not waited to see for sure if the notification pops up
[23:45] <valorie> ever
[23:45] <valorie> lol