[00:36] <zerothis> is there a untiy room?
[00:37] <RAOF> Depends on what you want - #ayatana is one room where the design & Unity guys hang out.
[00:39] <TheMuso> Whats more, they are unlikely to be there at this time, since they are based in Europe.
[00:39] <TheMuso> The majority are anyway.
[00:40] <zerothis> I want to add launchers dock/launchbar for apps that do not appear there as an icon. ie: "gnome-do", "fceu mynesproject.unif", etc. maybe a config file?
[00:41] <zerothis> aunchers to the dock/launchbar, rather
[00:41] <RAOF> Anything with a .desktop file can be added there.
[00:42] <RAOF> I *believe* you can drag from nautilus?
[00:43] <zerothis> oh, fancy. if the drag don't work i'll just type me up one from scratch and double click to get me an icon in the bar?
[00:44] <RAOF> If it's got a window it should appear on the launcher.
[00:47] <zerothis> there in lies the problem for some apps and some specific files (app+command-line loading), they don't have 1. an icon, or 2. a specific icon
[00:51] <zerothis> drag don't work
[00:56] <zerothis> nope, custom .desktop don't work neither
[05:29] <pitti> Good morning
[05:34] <braiam> nite pitti :)
[05:34] <TheMuso> Good morning pitti.
[05:56] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[05:57] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, kinda annoyed at the weather making it dark enough to need a light on, so my monitor doesn't hurt my eyes. Its not even 3PM for goodness sake. :)
[05:57] <TheMuso> Weather == very very wet here atm.
[05:59] <RAOF> Fun!
[06:00] <TheMuso> RAOF: Oh yeah.
[06:08] <RAOF> Hm.  Does llvm really not do any bugfix releases?
[06:20] <RAOF> I don't suppose anyone particularly wants to finish this llvm mir for me? :)
[06:21] <pitti> and spoil your fun? nah!
[06:22] <RAOF> Pros: very few bugs.
[06:22] <RAOF> Cons: *Suspiciously* few bugs, no bugfix releases.
[06:23] <RAOF> Oh, and arm is, of course, going to be a problem child, but they probably don't care about mesa anyway.
[06:35] <TheMuso> heh
[07:44] <didrocks> good morning
[07:52] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[07:52] <pitti> TheMuso: so wrt. bug 632468, is that even worth fixing, or want me to remove the package from oneiric instead?
[07:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632468 in padevchooser "Maverick : padevchooser, pavucontrol icon doesn't show" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632468
[07:52] <pitti> TheMuso: the bug is fixed in sid, so we could also merge (or sync if we aren't interested in our delta any more)
[07:53] <TheMuso> pitti: Probably worth removing from oneiric, no longer maintained upstream.
[07:53] <pitti> TheMuso: ok, will do that then; thanks!
[07:53] <TheMuso> pitti: hrm ok I'll take a look tomorrow, hold that thought
[07:53] <pitti> replaced by pavucontrol?
[07:53] <TheMuso> Yeah it is
[07:53] <TheMuso> SO I guess we could remove it...
[07:53] <pitti> last upload was in hardy, doesn't look very maintained to me
[07:53] <pitti> and it's apparently using the systray, so won't work anymore anyway in unity
[07:54] <pitti> ok, removing/blacklisting then
[07:54] <TheMuso> Yup sounds good.
[08:01] <pitti> didrocks: I had to reject unity-place-applications due to the typo in the changelog's bug number
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: guten morgen. Yeah, quite tired because of the ubuntu party, but I'm fine :)
[08:02] <didrocks> pitti: oh? ok, looking at it
[08:02] <pitti> how was it?
[08:03] <didrocks> pitti: busy ;) gave 3 presentations on unity and what's new in ubuntu 11.04, 2 classrooms on how to discover unity + small interviews/helping in the install room
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: u-p-a reuploaded, sorry for the typo
[08:07] <didrocks> how was your week-end?
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: pretty nice as well; got some more gardening and house-cleaning done, and we did some long walks to explore our nice environment here
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: how are the surroundings?
[08:09] <pitti> it's a three-minute walk until you are in the green, and 10 minutes to the forest/river shore
[08:09] <pitti> at these high temperatures that was quite nice to stick your feet into the river :)
[08:10] <pitti> and there's another huge forest some 5 km eastwards here, we did a small bike trip there
[08:16] <didrocks> nice :)
[08:58] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:01] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_!
[09:02] <rodrigo_> bonjour didrocks
[09:08] <pitti> seb128: bonjour
[09:08] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, seb128
[09:08] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti rodrigo_
[09:08] <pitti> hey rodrigo, good morning!
[09:08] <seb128> did you guys have a good w.e?
[09:09] <didrocks> hey seb128!
[09:09] <didrocks> quite busy one, but was nice, yeah ;) you?
[09:09] <rodrigo_> not me, had a horrible toothache and couldn't sleep much :(
[09:09] <rodrigo_> you?
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, quite relaxing one ;-)
[09:10] <seb128> didrocks, how was the french ubuntuparty?
[09:11] <didrocks> seb128: lot of people, I have a little voice today after 3 conferences and 2 classrooms in the 2 days (and little sleep)
[09:11] <rodrigo_> didrocks, :)
[09:11] <didrocks> but was quite nice, a little bit "trolling", but people understand when we explain the decision and why
[09:11] <seb128> didrocks, with some luck with the u.s and u.k on holidays you will have no dx call today ;-)
[09:12] <didrocks> so that's clearly what was missing :)
[09:12] <didrocks> seb128: yeah \o/
[09:22] <dpm> hi desktop people, good morning! I'm managing translation templates in Launchpad, and I've noticed there are now templates in oneiric for the 'glade' and 'glade-3' source packages. Are these two source packages going to stay in oneiric?
[09:22] <seb128> hey dpm, how are you?
[09:22] <dpm> seb128, very well, not sure if fully awake yet, though ;) and you?
[09:22] <seb128> same here ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> but I'm working on it with coffee :p
[09:23] <seb128> dpm, I think "glade" is the new name
[09:23] <seb128> glade-3 is deprecated
[09:24] <dpm> yeah, it seems so, glade is for 3.10 and glade-3 for 3.8 IIRC. I'm thinking if it makes sense to have both templates in LP, though. glade-3 being deprecated means that it might be demoted to universe or something in oneiric?
[09:25] <seb128> dpm, no, it's stripped, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glade-3/3.8.0-0ubuntu2
[09:26] <seb128> dpm, the source is just kept for the old library until application are transitioned
[09:26] <rodrigo_> hey dpm
[09:26] <dpm> seb128, ok, so I'll leave both templates enabled for oneiric for now, thanks!
[09:26] <dpm> buenas rodrigo_ :)
[09:27] <seb128> dpm, yw
[09:52] <didrocks> mvo: hey! small question on update-manager: update-manager -d fails because of extras.ubuntu.com not being available for oneiric
[09:56] <jibel> didrocks, bug 778666
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 778666 in Ubuntu Oneiric "Failed to fetch http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778666
[09:56] <didrocks> jibel: salut, et merci! :-)
[09:56] <jibel> didrocks, salut :)
[09:56] <jibel> stgraber did something last week, but that didn't create the extra repository for oneiric
[09:57] <didrocks> jibel: ok, let's dist-upgrade then
[09:58] <jibel> didrocks, you cant this morning
[09:58] <didrocks> jibel: oh?
[09:58] <jibel> didrocks, well, you can but here python-glade2 python-gtk2 are hold back
[09:59] <didrocks> jibel: ok, let's try to upgrade what it can upgrade, I'll dist-upgrade later on then
[10:04] <pitti> held back still? I fixed gnome-python yesterday, it should work now
[10:05] <mvo> didrocks: oh, right. I thought that was fixed by now, I check it out
[10:05] <mvo> didrocks: thanks!
[10:05] <didrocks> mvo: yw :-)
[10:05] <pitti> and the live CD built again as well (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110530/)
[10:05] <pitti> hey mvo
[10:06] <pitti> mvo: sorry, I screwed up the aptdaemon SRU: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/781874/comments/10
[10:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 781874 in aptdaemon "<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)" [High,Fix committed]
[10:22] <jibel> pitti, when I install one of these packages it removes python-gtksourceview2, which in turn removes packages from universe that I need.
[10:23] <pitti> jibel: I confirm for python-gtksourceview2 (I'll fix), but python-glade2 works here; can you re-confirm?
[10:25] <jibel> pitti, yes its installable if I accept to remove python-gtksourceview2. but I don't :-)
[10:25] <pitti> jibel: ok, so it's only gtksourceview which is broken
[10:26] <jibel> pitti, right
[10:36] <rodrigo_> dpm, I just read a message I got from LP about brasero Serbian translations:
[10:37] <rodrigo_> We were unable to import the file because of errors in its format:
[10:37] <rodrigo_> Line 11: Invalid content: u', 2011.'
[10:37] <rodrigo_> dpm, that's from the upstream translations, I guess?
[10:54] <pitti> seb128: g-panel> wohoo!
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[10:57] <seb128> it's an upstream experience though since we don't use it for our default or fallback desktop we probably don't need as much ubuntu tweaking that we had
[10:57] <seb128> there is also no indicator support until indicator-applet is ported to gtk3
[10:57] <didrocks> seb128: now that the new gnome-panel is here, there is my recommend on gnome-session-fallback I guess?
[10:58] <seb128> didrocks, hum, no
[10:58] <didrocks> seb128: hum? it was on the vcs IIRC
[10:59] <seb128> didrocks, right but that was a 3 way merges in some ways, merged the gnome3 ppa work first and then rebased on debian
[10:59] <seb128> it seems the ppa was one revision behind and that commit reverting this entry
[10:59] <didrocks> seb128: ok, so a leftover, no worry, I'm fixing it :) and upload gnome-session as well dropping the recommends then
[10:59] <didrocks> then, no gnome-panel and dep anymore on the CD!
[11:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, maybe just wait a bit to see if gnome-panel builds first
[11:00] <seb128> or if I forgot a build-depends or something
[11:00] <didrocks> seb128: right :-)
[11:00] <seb128> bah, dep-wait
[11:01] <seb128> on libwnck-3-dev
[11:01] <pitti> shall I promote quickly or are you on it?
[11:02] <seb128> pitti, if you want to do it you're welcome
[11:02] <pitti> doing
[11:02] <seb128> thanks
[11:02] <pitti> sorry for the hurry, but now it catches the publisher in 30 seconds :)
[11:02] <seb128> I'm doing some upload and my ssh is very laggy
[11:02] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[11:03] <seb128> go pitti go
[11:03] <pitti> (yes, done in time)
[11:03] <seb128> \o/
[11:04] <seb128> we are almost done with the GNOME3 updates
[11:05] <pitti> jibel: I got pygtksourceview fixed in Debian svn now, FYI
[11:05] <seb128> there is basically gnome-games gnome-system-monitor gnome-themes remaining
[11:05] <pitti> niiice!
[11:06] <seb128> gdm as well...
[11:06] <seb128> the other ones as point revision updates
[11:06] <seb128> empathy as well
[11:06] <pitti> for gdm, should we just wait until the lightdm MIR gets approved, switch to it, and revert most of our gdm changes then?
[11:07] <pitti> like gdmsetup
[11:07] <seb128> hum
[11:07] <seb128> if we added those that's mostly to get it not working
[11:07] <pitti> or rather, see what's easy to merge against the current Debian pkg
[11:07] <seb128> in opposite to gnome-panel where we had behaviour tweaking, gdm changes are mostly functional
[11:07] <jibel> pitti, nice! thanks
[11:07] <seb128> so I think we should keep those
[11:08] <pitti> but it seems we can drop gdmsetup anyway, as it's now in the user accounts dialog?
[11:08] <seb128> right
[11:08] <pitti> the other patches are small and easy to port
[11:08] <seb128> pitti, I will have a look today and clean from the vcs the patches
[11:08] <seb128> right, debian also fixes some of the same issues
[11:08] <pitti> seb128: Debian cleaned up a lot of them as well
[11:08] <seb128> they have a gdmsetup patch as well I think
[11:09] <seb128> bah, alioth websvn is still not back
[11:09] <pitti> seb128: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/desktop/
[11:09] <pitti> the svn.d.o aliases are still missing indeed :(
[11:10] <seb128> thanks
[11:10] <seb128> I was trying on http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gdm3/
[11:10] <seb128> ok, they dropped their gdmsetup
[11:11] <pitti> the user account dialog now has an autologin switch, I think
[11:11] <seb128> pitti, I will start on cleaning that a bit this afternoon and see where we stand, I will probably let you all the locale, keyboard patches though
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: yes, that's fine
[11:11] <seb128> not sure how those will play with the new gdm since they dropped the keyboard and locale selector from their login screen
[11:11] <pitti> probably obsolete
[11:11] <pitti> (which is a pity)
[11:12] <pitti> I always found the keyboard selector quite nice in gdm
[11:12] <pitti> but lightdm has one
[11:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, what do you work on? still gnome-games?
[11:13] <seb128> there is a stack of easy point updates on version for those who want
[11:13] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, and some evo-couchdb debugging, but yes, right now finishing gnome-games
[11:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, do you want me to work on those?
[11:14] <seb128> ok no hurry I was just curious
[11:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, not especially I was just pointing it in case some is interested
[11:14] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[11:14] <seb128> some->somebody
[11:47] <kinouchou> hello seb128, fredp and didrocks
[11:47] <seb128> lut kinouchou
[11:47] <didrocks> salut kinouchou!
[11:57] <seb128> didrocks, ok, gnome-panel built on i386, you can reapply your recommend and upload
[11:57] <didrocks> seb128: excellent, thanks!
[11:57] <seb128> yw, sorry for dropping that revision in the merge
[11:57] <didrocks> no worry :)
[12:28] <rodrigo_> hmm, btw, I see debian's gnome-games has never had the separation in subpackages (aisleroit, etc) we have, so do we want to keep that?
[12:28] <rodrigo_> I was working on just using what debian is doing, but I wonder if it's the correct thing
[12:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should use the gnome3-team version as a start
[12:30] <seb128> yes we want to keep the split, we don't install all games on the CD and having a bundle confuses users
[12:30] <seb128> like we used to have users asking how to uninstall some games
[12:30] <rodrigo_> ok
[13:06] <dpm> rodrigo_, sorry for the delay, re: brasero, yes, that's an error in the Serbian .po file imported from upstream
[13:20] <rodrigo_> dpm, ok, so anything I could do, or just wait for it to be fixed upstream?
[13:23] <rodrigo_> dpm, anyway, going for lunch now, bbl
[13:24] <dpm> rodrigo_, you can file a bug on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=l10n. The l10n is for that, and the upstream teams should take a look at it
[13:32] <pitti> seb128: g-panel binNEWed FYI
[13:32] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:34] <pedro_> hello folks
[13:34] <pitti> hey pedro_, how are you?
[13:35] <seb128> pedro_, hello ;-)
[13:35] <pedro_> hey pitti, doing good, thanks. what about you?
[13:36] <pedro_> bonjour seb128 :-)
[13:38] <pitti> pedro_: I'm great, thanks!
[13:51] <alex3f> mvo: u around :-) ?
[13:53] <mvo> alex3f: yeah, had a bit of a busy morning, but I saw your branch and your mail
[13:53] <mvo> alex3f: anything you would like to talk about now or should I just reply to the mail?
[13:54] <alex3f> no, nothing's burning
[13:54] <alex3f> take your time
[13:55] <didrocks> ok, trying a reboot after the oneiric upgrade
[13:59] <mvo> alex3f: the branch looks good, I will merge it in a wee bit (doing some tiny adjustments) and then answer the questions (they are very good and highlight some more weak points in the code that needs fixing)
[14:00] <alex3f> mvo: sent a new email with another question
[14:00] <mvo> ok
[14:00] <alex3f> hope I'm not abusing your time
[14:00] <mvo> no, thats fine, I want software-center to improve :)
[14:01] <alex3f> me too :)
[14:05] <stgraber> jibel: it's fine on LP's side ...
[14:06] <mvo> alex3f: could you please mail me a example appstream xml so that I can try to reproduce the problem locally?
[14:06] <alex3f> of course
[14:08] <cyphermox> good morning!
[14:12] <didrocks> we don't have anymore the patch for gtk exporting its menu?
[14:15] <mvo> alex3f: thanks, branch is merged now, I just changed on tiny detail
[14:15] <seb128> didrocks, we have it but we don't have appmenu-gtk built for gtk3
[14:16] <alex3f> mvo: I'm not sure about the debian_source, app_stream_sources approach... in general i'm trying to make changes so that current workflow remains untouched
[14:16] <alex3f> it seemed like a good compromise at the time
[14:16] <alex3f> thanks for the merge :-)
[14:19] <didrocks> seb128: oh ok, and I don't find the gsettings key for the show_desktop in nautilus, am I blind?
[14:19] <seb128> didrocks, didn't you say you need glasses? ;-)
[14:19] <seb128> didrocks, org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[14:20] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but the appointment to the doctor is at the end of July :/
[14:20] <didrocks> seb128: ok, thanks! :-) seems that my grep to desktop was on nautilus…
[14:22] <pitti> seb128: oh, we have a g-applets diff of using pysupport?
[14:23] <seb128> pitti, using python rather which is off in debian, but yeah it's done using pysupport for now
[14:24] <seb128> it should probably be ported to dh_python2 but I just wanted to merge what we had now in this one rather than having to figure how to port to dh_python2
[14:26] <pitti> seb128: ah, I thought Debian was using pycentral or so
[14:26] <pitti> thanks
[14:26] <seb128> yw
[14:26] <seb128> if you want to fix it to use dh_python2 feel free though ;-)
[14:26] <chrisccoulson> good afternoon everyone
[14:27] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[14:27] <seb128> is today an uk holiday again? ;-)
[14:27] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[14:27] <seb128> how are you?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it is today. i got the correct day this time :)
[14:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what are you doing there then? ;-)
[14:31] <pitti> didrocks: hm, at least on the current CDs unity-2d seems to start; I can only see the indicators, though, the rest is garbled and crashes :/
[14:32] <didrocks> pitti: let me have a try now that I upgraded on oneiric
[14:32] <didrocks> pitti: it's the same snapshot that in the natty ppa, which I have built and was working on natty
[14:32] <pitti> didrocks: probably not your fault, just wanted to say that there's some progress
[14:32] <pitti> it actually figured out which session to start, etc.
[14:33] <pitti> ... I think; let me check
[14:33] <didrocks> pitti: one sec, rebooting to this session to test :)
[14:35] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-1.html hardly seems realistic; let me move some bits to a2
[14:35] <didrocks> pitti: evevrything is loaded and works there (no display garbled)
[14:35] <pitti> didrocks: nice!
[14:35] <pitti> didrocks: in kvm I just get a crash, but apport confirms it's unity-2d at least :)
[14:35] <didrocks> heh, it's a way to know it :-)
[14:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: which alpha-1 WIs on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging do you actually want to keep for a1? (given that it's supposed to happen on Thursday)
[14:36] <didrocks> pitti: ok, maybe will worth having a look just post alpha1 so that the dev team can debug in kvm directly
[14:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: at least 3.4.0 for oneiric is definitively -> a2 now, given the build time
[14:38] <pitti> Sweetshark: I did some minor adjustments (the rest for a1 is work that isn't in Ubuntu); feel free to move further stuff to a2, though
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, btw seems the at-spi2 sources got updates addressing your mir issues if you have time for a new review
[14:39] <seb128> with the new gnome-panel we are getting close from dropping some of the olds libraries on the CD ;-)
[14:40] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I noticed, but thanks :-) (not the third one AFAIK), I'll process them
[14:40] <pitti> seb128: on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 we have two a1 WIs for nautilus/desktop icons
[14:40] <didrocks> great!
[14:40] <pitti> seb128: on my system nautilus now starts by default, rendering the desktop, and doesn't open a window by default any more (as last week); is that the intended state now?
[14:40] <pitti> (from my POV it's certainly good enough at least for a1, if not for oneiric)
[14:40] <didrocks> that's what I just got after the dist-upgrade
[14:41] <didrocks> just no icon by default right now, as expected
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, the second on is DONE, I've fixed that
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, it's intended out of sorting the default value of the key
[14:41] <didrocks> well, TBH, the wallpaper key was not the right key as discussed the other day
[14:41] <pitti> I'm not quite sure whether it was me who modified it
[14:41] <didrocks> so, no refresh of the background
[14:42] <didrocks> until I changed the wallpaper in the capplet
[14:42] <seb128> right, I will fix the background, I was just pondering what to do with nautilus and the desktop which delayed that upload
[14:43] <seb128> the issue is that we can't really make the gsettings nautilus key specific to unity
[14:43] <didrocks> seb128: I would say, for the unity sessions, still show the desktop, not for the others
[14:44] <seb128> or we need to teach gnome-session about Unity and use a ShowOnlyIn=Unity
[14:44] <pitti> seb128: ah, seems a guest session doesn't start nautilus, so that's just my settings
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, the autostart check the show-desktop-icons gsettings key
[14:44] <seb128> it start it only if the key is on
[14:44] <didrocks> weird, nautilus was started there… I didn't change anything after the dist-upgrade
[14:44] <lool> seb128: Oy, had you spotted https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71888305/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.libdmapsharing_2.9.7-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[14:44] <lool> build log filters detected implicit conversion in the gcc warnings
[14:45] <pitti> $ gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[14:45] <pitti> true
[14:45] <seb128> lool, yes, updating to 2.9.12 which is current is on my todolist for today
[14:45] <pitti> ah, that'd be it
[14:45] <lool> seb128: cool, thanks
[14:46] <seb128> lool, does it block you for anything?
[14:46] <pitti> seb128: I pinged TheMuso about at-spi2, FYI
[14:46] <lool> just for upgrading to across the brasero-media lib transition (a rhythmbox recommends gets broken)
[14:47] <seb128> pitti, what about it?
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: "do it"
[14:47] <pitti> [themuso] Adjust package dependencies and seeds to use at-spi2: TODO
[14:47] <pitti> (or move to a2)
[14:47] <seb128> pitti, it's in mir ping-pong, didrocks had comments, they got fixed in an upload today they need a new review
[14:47] <pitti> ah
[14:47] <pitti> I asked whether it's blocked and if it should be done for a1 or moved
[14:47] <didrocks> I think there is just one component without answer
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, we were just discussing it there before you pinged about wis ;-)
[14:48] <didrocks> but for the two with answers, it will be done today, seems the answer are ok, just need to check the new version uploaded
[14:48] <pitti> seb128: ah, sorry
[14:48] <seb128> no need to be sorry ;-)
[14:48] <seb128> didrocks, seems like on track to be fixed this week then
[14:49] <didrocks> right :)
[14:49] <seb128> didrocks, seems he fixed the third one as well
[14:49] <seb128> well he uploaded the 3 sources and adressed your comments for each
[14:49] <seb128> but maybe he didn't comment on the bug for the third one
[14:49] <didrocks> seb128: ok, just didn't get it in my mail, dunno why
[14:49] <didrocks> yeah, probably
[14:52] <seb128> didrocks, in fact he replied on the bug as well just they are just waiting for you ;-)
[14:52] <didrocks> seb128: nice, seems something bad happened in my filter :)
[14:52] <didrocks> the answer was ok when I looked this morning, just need to check the package modification :)
[14:52] <didrocks> will do shortly
[14:53] <Sweetshark> pitti: updated libreoffice-packaging some more, as some items are upstream release bound (cant be done before 3.4.X) ..
[14:54] <pitti> Sweetshark: thanks
[14:59] <mvo> alex3f: I think your approach of step-by-step improval is good and valid, like adding these flags to update-software-center
[15:02] <alex3f> thank you, I will continue this way
[15:27] <mvo> alex3f: this http://paste.ubuntu.com/614947/ works now for me and shows firefox from appstream.xml
[15:28] <alex3f> hmm, fresh flags
[15:28] <alex3f> it was apt-xapian-index fault?
[15:47] <didrocks> gnome-color-manager by default in main?
[15:49] <didrocks> + Argyl apparently, but no MIR for it
[16:12] <alex3f> mvo: what do you think about extending the PackagInfo class to have a __contains__ method?
[16:13] <alex3f> it will make transition from apt.Cache to get_package_info much more easier
[16:25] <mvo> alex3f: yeah, that is fine with me
[16:25] <mvo> hey kiwinote!
[16:26]  * alex3f salutes kiwinote
[16:26] <kiwinote> hey mvo and alex3f!
[16:26] <alex3f> I'm doing something wrong, about bazaar
[16:27] <alex3f> I use pull and push, last time when I pushed on my lp branch, it erased history, replacing it with history from trunk
[16:27] <alex3f> and my last commit
[16:27] <alex3f> it's my fault
[16:31] <mvo> uhhh :(
[16:32] <alex3f> yeah, must be more careful next time.
[16:33] <alex3f> gtg, see you later
[16:36] <pitti> time for Taekwondo (I found a new club, let's see how it is); see you tomorrow!
[16:38] <didrocks> pitti: enjoy  :)
[16:41] <seb128> ok
[16:41] <seb128> pitti, just fyu I just commited a gdm3 in the vcs which builds with some patches commented, I've cleaned quite some patches, refreshed some others and commented those for keyboard or that need porting work
[16:42] <seb128> while I was at it I've lowered a bit the delta with debian by copying over the copyright and some other files and part of their control
[16:42] <seb128> the current version should be buildable but needs work, you are welcome to pick it up to clean the keyboard patches when you want
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, have fun, see you tomorrow
[16:54] <rodrigo_> hmm, gnome-sudoku needs python-gobject
[16:54] <rodrigo_> not sure if we should disable it in gnome-games for now?
[16:55] <didrocks> seb128: gdm3 > \o/
[16:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, btw, can I upload gnome-menus, now that we have gnome-panel 3?
[16:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[16:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, but maybe turn off the list of blocked softwares
[16:58] <seb128> not sure we want to block kde the way debian is doing
[16:59] <seb128> the patch they have with list a stack of softwares to not list
[16:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, but otherwise yes feel free to upload
[16:59] <seb128> rodrigo_, the python games are disabled in the ppa iirc, do the same in oneiric, they are being ported to vala iirc
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, you mean turn off the Breaks:?
[16:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok
[17:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, in fact, whatever I do, sudoku is not built, so yeah, disabling it
[17:00] <seb128> ok
[17:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, not the break the patch from debian which lists items to filter out
[17:00] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok
[17:06] <kklimonda^> rodrigo_: any idea how can, in GNOME 2, make application display in fullscreen (i.e. cover all other windows, and panels) in a way that makes onboard display above it?
[17:07] <kklimonda^> running gtk_window_fullscreen() makes window cover onboard, the F10 shortcut suggested in http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/stable/ats-5.html.en doesn't work in application I've tried.
[17:08] <rodrigo_> kklimonda^, I think it's onboard that needs to set the window to be on top
[17:08] <rodrigo_> kklimonda^, or you can use the window menu to set it to be always on top
[17:09] <kklimonda^> rodrigo_: it does set itself as an "always on top" window.
[17:09] <kklimonda^> rodrigo_: the link I've pasted suggests that fullscreen windows display over all the others
[17:10] <rodrigo_> I just tried in gnome3 and the window set to be always on top stays on top when I maximize other windows
[17:10] <rodrigo_> so I guess it's a bug in metacity?
[17:10] <kklimonda^> rodrigo_: maximize != fullscreen
[17:10] <rodrigo_> ah, sorry :)
[17:10] <rodrigo_> yeah, I guess then it's "by design", not sure
[17:10] <kklimonda^> my other option would be to hide gnome panels unless some magic key (or combination is pressed) - the point is to not display any other part of the interface
[17:11] <rodrigo_> yes, indeed when you open one in fullscreen, the window set to be always on top is hidden
[17:12] <kklimonda^> funny thing is, notif-osd manages to stay on the top so it's probably possible to do that.
[17:13] <rodrigo_> hmm
[17:15] <didrocks> it's possible to do that through a X property IIRC
[17:15] <didrocks> I think onboard should set it
[17:22] <kklimonda^> hmm, can't find anything obvious.. I'll look for it later, thanks.
[17:23] <kklimonda^> ah, it most likely sets GTK_WINDOW_TYPE_HINT_NOTIFICATION
[17:34] <fta> baaaahh... just read the source of evo3 /wrt the new ugly/giant red EAlertSink, it's too deeply integrated and there's no easy way to remove it :((
[17:38] <fta> seb128, is there a gthumb update planed? i can't upgrade brasero without removing it
[17:39] <seb128> not from me
[17:39] <fta> let me rephrase :) is there a gnome3 gthumb?
[17:40] <seb128> not that I know about but I've no clue about gthumb it's an universe software I don't use
[17:40] <fta> ok :(
[17:41] <seb128> seems like the git version is going this way
[17:41] <seb128> somebody who cares could try to make a git snapshot or something
[17:42] <fta> it seems it's just a matter of libbrasero-media1 vs libbrasero-media3-1
[17:42] <smspillaz> didrocks: do you want a tarball now, or do you want to wait until the SRU2 deadline so I can try and squeeze in some more fixes ?
[17:42] <seb128> fta, the second one is gtk3 though
[17:42]  * smspillaz is working on the imfamous invisible windows one
[17:42] <seb128> so it's not "just a rebuild", it's porting to a new gtk, or turning the integration off
[17:43] <fta> oh smspillaz! any update on the infamous chromium/bafm bug?
[17:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: no, the sooner the better
[17:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: ok, I'll make one up now
[17:43] <smspillaz> fta: I'm probably not the one to ask on that :)
[17:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: with the list of fixes and such clearly identified + a resonable diff :)
[17:44] <didrocks> fta: DBO is in charge of bamf
[17:44] <fta> oh?
[17:44] <didrocks> fta: and today is a national holiday in the US
[17:44] <didrocks> so probably ping him tomorrow :)
[17:45] <smspillaz> didrocks: can you review a brach quickly then?
[17:45] <fta> ah, that's why i didn't get answers from my co-workers on the east coast ;)
[17:45] <smspillaz> (it's the 1px fix)
[17:45] <didrocks> smspillaz: I think we decided that people in charge of the code and close to it (I'm not really familiar with that code) should review it?
[17:45] <smspillaz> ok
[17:46] <smspillaz> I'll wait for Jason to come online tomorrow
[17:46] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, anyway, I won't make the update right now, but better that Jason makes the review I think
[17:46] <smspillaz> sure
[17:46] <didrocks> smspillaz: you can still prepare the list of bugs
[17:47] <didrocks> smspillaz: and the delta for each + the test case in the bug report
[17:47] <smspillaz> didrocks: ok
[17:58] <seb128> kklimonda^, hi, do you plan to update transmission?
[17:58] <seb128> versions says it's really outdated compared to upstream or debian
[17:59]  * didrocks needs to help his neighbour with some computing stuff, will be back afterwards (can take some time)
[17:59] <seb128> didrocks, have fun, see you tomorrow
[18:00]  * rodrigo_ -> bbl
[18:00] <seb128> (since i will be out for sport and dinner before you are back)
[18:00] <didrocks> seb128: not sure that fixing a computer is "fun", but will try :-p
[18:00] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy your sport! see you tomorrow ;)
[18:00] <seb128> ;-)
[18:00] <seb128> see you ;-)
[18:00] <cyphermox> see ya
[18:01] <cyphermox> seb128: I'm doing the e-d-s/evo update now
[18:01] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, great, do evo-exchange as well if you can, it should be almost in sync on debian if you want to merge it (though they don't have the current version so we will need to update still)
[18:01] <seb128> cyphermox, nice work on n-m btw ;-)
[18:02] <cyphermox> thanks
[18:02] <cyphermox> yeah, evo-exchange will be done too
[18:02] <seb128> thanks
[18:02] <cyphermox> (i'm also waiting for samba4 rebuild to upload evolution-mapi)
[18:02] <cyphermox> or actually, the rebuild is done now, it's mostly just waiting for powerpc
[18:02] <seb128> oh
[18:03] <seb128> pitti, highlight for tomorrow, the (lib)gnome-keyring updates would be nice to do in debian and sync
[18:03] <seb128> we should be fine with those for a while after that, they are done with the tarballs in the stable serie
[18:03] <cyphermox> seb128: then i'll tackle the NBS because of evo and NM updates
[18:03] <seb128> cyphermox, ok
[18:03] <seb128> cyphermox, don't waste energy on the universe unmaintained softwares though
[18:04] <cyphermox> ok
[18:04] <seb128> we should discuss it during the cycle to clean those
[18:04] <cyphermox> like mail-notifications ;)
[18:04] <seb128> using the new e-d-s libs will mean using gtk3 for some softwares
[18:04] <ricotz> seb128, cyphermox, hello
[18:04] <seb128> we don't want to do the porting
[18:04] <cyphermox> hey ricotz
[18:04] <seb128> hey ricotz
[18:04] <seb128> ricotz, how are you?
[18:04] <ricotz> seb128, fine ;), thanks
[18:05] <ricotz> i was thinking to copy network-manager to the ppa soon
[18:05] <ricotz> cyphermox, thanks for the nm0.9 package :)
[18:06] <cyphermox> np
[18:06] <cyphermox> it's still in new though... you'll still be missing n-m-applet and n-m-pptp
[18:06] <ricotz> yes, i know
[18:07] <ricotz> seb128, are you ok with uploading it to the ppa at some point?
[18:07] <seb128> ricotz, why do you insist so much on getting unstable stack components in a stable distro? (just wondering)
[18:07] <ricotz> uploading gnome-panel, gnome-menus, gnome-applets is needed too
[18:07] <seb128> ricotz, if you check it doesn't break any other variant, i.e kubuntu yes
[18:08] <seb128> ricotz, no, gnome-panel etc will break tons of applets and the indicators
[18:08] <seb128> those are not changes for a stable serie
[18:08] <ricotz> seb128, because it is needed to use all functionalities of the gnome3 stack
[18:08] <ricotz> nm0.9 ^
[18:08] <seb128> is that just to get the ui in g-c-c?
[18:08] <ricotz> the gnome-shell "indicator" too
[18:09] <seb128> well, check with the mailing list what people think maybe
[18:09] <seb128> but I would vote against it if you don't check it doesn't break i.e KDE
[18:09] <seb128> users want to try new things but don't realize it will break their box and it might well break there
[18:09] <ricotz> i getting such requests too as emails directly to me :\
[18:09] <seb128> tell them to upgrade to oneiric
[18:10] <ricotz> i know gnome-panel is quite a big thing
[18:10] <seb128> we maybe need a second ppa then
[18:11] <seb128> one which is bringing GNOME3 without breaking your system and one that will break your system for users who really want it
[18:11] <seb128> but if they are so eager to break their system they can as well run oneiric
[18:11] <ricotz> hmm, might be worth it to use it for 3.2 then
[18:11] <ricotz> right
[18:12] <seb128> ricotz, 3.2 where? in a ppa? why? it should go in oneiric direct
[18:13] <ricotz> alright, but network-manager is quite safe if the "whole" stack is available in oneiric
[18:13] <seb128> by the time 3.1 is stable oneiric will be stable enough to be used
[18:13] <seb128> ricotz, well, depends if it breaks the indicator, depends if it breaks the KDE equivalent
[18:14] <seb128> ricotz, we often had issue where new n-m was only working in GNOME
[18:14] <ricotz> seb128, just thought for your "second ppa" idea
[18:14] <seb128> it's not acceptable to break other desktops in a stable ppa, users will not know what they are doing and screw their systems
[18:14] <seb128> if they want that sort of breakage they can run the unstable serie
[18:14] <cyphermox> ricotz: my suggestion for 0.9 for the gnome ppa is to have another PPA with the more "unstable" components, and perhaps depend on the NM stable PPA, to which I'd upload 0.9
[18:14] <ricotz> seb128, i think if one is willing to use the gnome3 ppa they wont use kde or unity
[18:14] <seb128> ricotz, you think wrongly there
[18:15] <seb128> lot of people tried because they wanted to see how it is and complained that it broke what they usually run
[18:15] <cyphermox> and it's pretty well known that installing 0.9 will break the current plasma network-manager UI in Natty
[18:15] <seb128> we get quite some bugs also from people who tried it and tried to go back to natty
[18:15] <cyphermox> (what I mean by that is that AFAIK the KDE people know about it)
[18:15] <seb128> i.e file conflicts on downgrades
[18:16] <seb128> ricotz, users just go "oh, nice, I want to try", they install it, they see and want to get back to KDE that they usually use
[18:16] <seb128> or Unity
[18:16] <seb128> or whatever
[18:16] <ricotz> cyphermox, hmm, i see, i think a self-contained ppa is better for users
[18:16] <seb128> then they notice they screwed their install
[18:16] <cyphermox> ricotz: nothing wrong with using the PPA dependencies that LP provides ;)
[18:16] <seb128> what's the point to backport the unstable distro in a ppa, you can as well run the unstable...
[18:17] <seb128> you know what you will get at least and efforts are not duplicates
[18:17] <cyphermox> we have daily images already too, no?
[18:18] <ricotz> seb128, ok, yeah, user even dont read warnings they just copy-paste commands from websites and run them ;)
[18:18] <cyphermox> (though they have varying degrees of usefulness)
[18:18] <ricotz> cyphermox, yeah, i saying that user dont like to add multiple ppas to run things
[18:19] <seb128> ricotz, right, which is why the ppa should give you what it can give you of GNOME3 without breaking your install
[18:19] <seb128> the users who want other things should run oneiric
[18:19] <ricotz> seb128, yeah
[18:20] <ricotz> but oneiric also includes the more cracky parts like the kernel and x ;)
[18:20] <cyphermox> seb128: could you please ack the parts of NM 0.9 that are in NEW right now, so I can upload the next pieces and have at least what's not powerpc working?
[18:21] <ricotz> seb128, oh, if nm0.9 is in are you able to trigger a rebuild of gnome-shell?
[18:21] <ricotz> bigon uploaded it
[18:21] <seb128> sorry guys I've to leave I'm late already
[18:21] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[18:21] <ricotz> and nm0.9 and xfixes are available "now"
[18:22] <seb128> cyphermox, if didrocks didn't do it I will get to it after sport
[18:22] <seb128> but no need to wait things should just do depwaiting
[18:22] <cyphermox> ah, cool, thanks
[18:22] <seb128> ricotz, ok
[18:22] <ricotz> seb128, np, good evening
[18:22] <seb128> see you
[18:22] <cyphermox> ricotz: gnome-shell won't need a rebuild, it's in depwait
[18:24] <ricotz> cyphermox, oh ok, the archive does this automagically ;)
[18:24] <cyphermox> yes
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> does this mean i can switch to gnome-shell? ;)
[18:28] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, yes ;)
[18:29] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, are you working on firefox 5.0 beta3?
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, what do you mean? I have it ready to upload if that's what you're asking
[18:30] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, exactly, nice, i am waiting for it :P
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> i'm just waiting for mozilla to push it out to the beta channel
[18:56] <didrocks> cyphermox: doing
[18:59] <cyphermox> hey didrocks, thanks :)
[18:59] <micahg> just a reminder for new uploaders, please use -v when merging from Debian to show the new Debian changes as well as the Ubuntu merge changelog and to auto-close any bugs that Debian closed in their changelog
[19:04] <didrocks> cyphermox: all should be in main, right?
[19:05] <cyphermox> yeah. libnm* replace the old, and gir1.2-network-manager-1.0 is an equivalent of those for python
[19:05] <cyphermox> well, for gir ;D
[19:06] <didrocks> cyphermox: NEWed :)
[19:06] <cyphermox> thanks
[19:06] <didrocks> yw
[19:07] <cyphermox> I got e-d-s <IP_ADDRESS> building locally, and working on evo 3.0.2
[19:10] <didrocks> nice!
[19:39] <fta> Unpacking replacement gnome-panel ...
[19:39] <fta> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-panel_1%3a3.0.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[19:39] <fta>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/gnome-panel.desktop', which is also in package gnome-panel-data 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5
[19:39] <fta> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[19:40] <fta> a retry worked though..
[19:54] <geser> fta: already filed as bug #790251
[19:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 790251 in gnome-panel "package gnome-panel 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/gnome-panel.desktop', which is also in package gnome-panel-data 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790251
[19:55] <fta> ok
[19:56] <geser> fta: sorry, I just noticed that yours is a different bug (different gnome-panel version)
[19:57] <micahg> geser: same bug though
[19:57] <fta> seb pushed 3.0.2-0ubuntu3 not long after with "debian/control.in: use epoch in breaks and replaces version"