[00:02] <daftykins> diddledan: you know you wanna
[00:03] <diddledan> I wanna zigga zig aah
[00:06] <denny> diddledan: huh.  No, 64-bit here too.  Well, thanks for that bewildering feedback.  :)
[00:06] <denny> I could try purging it and reinstalling it I guess
[00:15] <diddledan> denny: you could also try adding a new user account to your system and seeing if a clean profile works or not
[00:18] <diddledan> lol @ https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=askew
[00:19] <daftykins> denny: maybe just reset rhythmbox?
[00:33] <mapps> sheesh
[00:33] <mapps> my sky adsl is down AGAIN
[00:33] <mapps> having to tether to my phone;/
[00:37] <diddledan> mapps: looks like you went down at about 01:10
[00:38] <mapps> sky is rubbish
[00:38] <mapps> basically imo the issue is contention?
[00:38] <mapps> EVERYONE is on sky..walk around and scan for wireless and its all SKYZYX
[00:38] <mapps> BECAUSE its so damn cheap
[00:39] <daftykins> yeah very little room for quality of service i'd imagine
[00:40] <mapps> yep
[00:40] <mapps> honestly everywhere its like SKY SKY SKY..and i get it because people just get phone/tv/net for like 2quid
[00:40] <mapps> so its rubbish
[00:42] <denny> I just got sold from Be to Sky  :(  :(  :(
[00:42] <denny> so far; slower, less stable, and no reverse DNS
[00:42] <diddledan> diddledan has userhost<EMAIL_ADDRESS><-- this
[00:42] <diddledan> :-p
[00:42] <diddledan> I've not had any issue
[00:43] <denny> as in, I can't specify my reverse DNS
[00:43] <denny> on be it was home.denny.me
[00:43] <denny> (denny.me being my domain, not just some random gibberish I made up)  :)
[00:43] <mapps> heh
[00:43] <diddledan> yes, I know what you mean. the be people are apparently encouraging sky to open up features like that
[00:44] <mapps> hey denny same well i was with o2..which was powered by be
[00:44] <mapps> sucks hey
[00:44]  * denny nods
[00:46] <mapps> im not a spurs supporter after monday i think;p
[00:46] <mapps> wont be moving there anytime soon but will go to a few games when possible:)
[00:46] <diddledan> why mudnay?
[00:47] <mapps> went to spurs v sunderland ..0-1 down spurs come back and win 5-1!! and id had £250 at 1.63 for them to win and 30 quid at any unqouted score at 7/1 on bf:D
[00:48] <diddledan> lol
[00:48] <mapps> paid for the whole thing
[00:49] <mapps> really enjoyed it and tottenham wasnt as bad as i thought itd be
[01:19] <mapp> so its back
[01:19] <mapp> glad i could tether dunno what id do if my net went down all day:D
[01:22] <diddledan> http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/
[01:29] <daftykins> how many will be plugged into laptops and fried? :>
[01:30] <diddledan> at least 50%
[01:30] <daftykins> g'night guys :>
[01:30] <diddledan> nn
[01:46] <mapp> early for you daftykins
[01:46] <mapp> nn
[02:18] <diddledan> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/wild-heart-were-intelligence-agencies-using-heartbleed-november-2013
[02:19] <mapp> wonder if i should geta rasperry pi
[03:34] <neuro> 01:38 <mapps> sky is rubbish
[03:34] <neuro> speak for yourself :)
[05:33] <mapp> hey
[05:33] <mapp> sup
[05:35] <mapp> a week away from the casinos and
[05:35] <mapp> 'oh hey mark you alright hows it going where you been'
[05:35] <mapp> heh
[05:41] <MooDoo> hello all
[05:42] <mapp> hey MooDoo
[06:41] <bashrc_> morning
[06:42] <MartijnVdS> hello
[06:50] <bashrc_> so when is the 14.04 launch day?
[06:51] <mapps> morning bashrc
[06:51] <ali1234> 17th
[06:51] <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[06:52] <MooDoo> final freeze was yesterday
[06:52] <bashrc> ok.  I'll probably upgrade both home and work laptops when it's released
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> according to launchpad, the "double screensaver" bug has FINALLY been fixed
[06:55] <bashrc> I hope the Z580 boot bug has been fixed.  That has been an annoyance.
[06:57] <MartijnVdS> Z580? Is that a "newer" Z80 (like the 80386 was a "better" 8086 ;)
[07:13] <bashrc> no, Lenovo Z580 laptop.  Sometimes it doesn't boot.    Lots of embedded systems out there may not be upgradable
[07:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: the coder submitted the code for the issue 1 hour before midnight on new years eve, even then reviewer missed it
[07:47] <SuperMatt> >.<
[08:16] <bashrc> I've probably made thousands of coding mistakes, and even in a good team things can still get past review
[08:17] <bashrc> so I don't think heartbleed was necessarily a conspiracy unless more information comes to light
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:47] <arsen> is there a way i can avoid MITM attacks on my ssh sessions?
[08:47] <arsen> and SSL traffic.
[08:47] <SuperMatt> in reality, no.
[08:48] <SuperMatt> if the server you have been connected to has in any way been compromised and had their keys taken, you can't prevent MITM
[08:48] <directhex> physical proximity to the target server! you'll see all men in the middle!
[08:48] <arsen> :)
[08:49] <arsen> ive learnt i may be about to be monitored by a palo alto device, and i understand it does SSL/SSH decryption - presumably via MITM, and i have a problem with my privacy being invaded :o
[08:50] <SuperMatt> without the keys from the other side, I don't know how they would decrypt
[08:50] <SuperMatt> they may do deep packet inspection to try to guess what's going on though
[08:50] <arsen> https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/products/features/decryption.html
[08:51] <diddledan> arsen: what makes you think someone will be monitoring you with such a device?
[08:51] <diddledan> arsen: those devices are for corporates who have the ability to use GPOs to make your computer trust the certificate the device uses
[08:52] <arsen> diddledan  - overheard / noticed it being installed for testing a while back :)
[08:52] <diddledan> arsen: for a computer that isn't part of an Active Directory corporate domain there is nothing they can do without you being warned
[08:53] <arsen> interesting. i think during testing i was made aware that someone saw me chatting in #ubuntu-uk , for example
[08:53] <arsen> not that i'm doing anything wrong, but if they can do SSL decrypt, i'll suddenly be more concerned about banking / private sites / emails etc.
[08:54] <diddledan> they can't without your consent. consent is implicit when you're using a business pc
[08:54] <arsen> and i sit on a self built nix box, not part of the AD domain, though that's unique to a few people.
[08:55] <arsen> yeah i suspect that'd be their arguement
[08:55] <diddledan> if you don't have someone installing certificates behind your back and your pc isn't using GPOs then they have no way of decrypting your traffic
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Barbershop Quartet Day! :-D
[09:16] <diddledan> morning JamesTait
[09:17] <JamesTait> diddledan, o/
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:50] <jussi> the hearbleed explanation on xkcd is nice :D
[09:51] <bigcalm> Yup
[09:52] <bigcalm> Also explains how to exploit it
[09:52] <bigcalm> Or at least gives me an idea how one does
[10:02] <bigcalm> Anybody recognise names on this list? https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/lamp-and-beyond-ii-tickets-11069221339
[10:04] <MooDoo> not me
[10:04] <jussi> nor I.
[10:06] <philwyett> I know Mr Spriggs by the emails he sends me. He is part of UK LUGs http://lugs.org.uk :-)
[10:06] <jussi> anybody want to play "Caption this"?  http://is.gd/Wqng8J
[10:07] <philwyett> Sorry lug.org.uk
[10:07] <popey> philwyett: wassup?
[10:08] <philwyett> jussi: Come on lads. Torres's scoring ability must be here somewhere!
[10:08] <bigcalm> Yeah, I've heard of Jon Spriggs. Not sure I've met him though
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: "Are you sure that's East?"
[10:08] <philwyett> popey: Just someone asking if we recognised anyone from a list of attendees for a LAMP event.
[10:09] <philwyett> Morning popey by the way.
[10:09] <jussi> MartijnVdS: and philwyett - both are very good :D
[10:36] <andrewebdev> What's the app called again that basically works as a chrome wrapper around a webapp in ubuntu?
[10:37] <andrewebdev> There are a number of web-apps I'd like to open in their own windows
[10:44] <andrewebdev> ah found it, need to prefix unity-webapps
[10:54] <jussi> so who likes fast booting linux? :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYpq_7nicM - just a little something the lads at work have been doing.
[10:56] <selinuxium> Morning all o/
[10:56] <jussi> morning selinuxium
[10:56] <jussi> (afternoon here and only just still morning there) :P
[10:57] <selinuxium> yup. :) Where are you jussi ?
[10:57] <jussi> selinuxium: Finland
[10:57] <selinuxium> Neat :)
[10:57] <jussi> don't ask why I hang out in the UK channel... :P
[10:57] <selinuxium> Wasn't going to... :)
[10:58] <MooDoo> you're just a sucker for punishement and you know i'll be around at atupid o'clock in the morning for you to bug ;)
[10:58] <diddledan> jussi: more to the point would be "why would you NOT want to hang out in the UK channel?!"
[10:59] <diddledan> I mean, the UK channel is where all the cool kids hang out
[10:59] <MooDoo> diddledan: I'm old, therefore not cool well that's what my kids say
[10:59] <MooDoo> lo
[11:00] <selinuxium> Yay! I am a cool kid again!
[11:00] <jussi> :D
[11:07] <jussi> ah dear. I just almost cracked up laughing on a business call... I shouldnt click unknown links while on calls... http://is.gd/EyVa7c
[11:10] <bigcalm> http://catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcats.tumblr.com/post/70714086421
[11:11] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: bonsai kitten?
[11:18] <directhex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNhycX0XCJ0
[11:23] <jussi> directhex: epic!
[11:29] <popey> omg, is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAjM1pRIFP4 where "Hello, yes this is dog" comes from?
[11:32] <nigelb> nah, that's from http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yes-this-is-dog
[11:34] <shauno> ugh, we have a manager at work who always interupts with "this is robert" on conf calls.  every single time, "this is dog" appears in my head
[11:35] <diddledan> this is dan, shauno , he's from corporate stock
[11:36] <shauno> oh it's worse than that.  he's german
[11:36] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu_bGbZiiQ
[12:02] <diddledan> did everyone just up-and-die on me?
[12:02] <shauno> yes
[12:02] <MooDoo> yes
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> yup
[12:03] <diddledan> damn
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> 😵
[12:18] <jussi> c..ca...call 112... :P
[12:23] <diddledan> 112 is 999 in britain :-p
[12:23] <diddledan> although 112 should still work but nobody in britain knows it exists apart from me :-)
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 112 works in all of Europe, and mobile phone networks map it ;)
[12:26] <diddledan> damned "tories" want to hold a referendum over whether britain should leave europe
[12:26] <diddledan> they think by promising that they'll get elected next time around
[12:26] <diddledan> they're trying to get the xenophobic/racist vote
[12:29] <diddledan> it surprises me there isn't an effort underway to move britain to just-off the coast of New York by means of a large engine
[12:40] <jussi> its sad that winning is so important that you need to cater to the racist/xenophobic vote
[12:44] <dwatkins> I don't understand how they can give these viewpoints so much of their time, no-one I know thinks this way.
[12:45] <dwatkins> Mind you, I live in Scotland, and we might well become part of Scandinavia sometime soon.
[12:45]  * dwatkins wonders idly what the ISO 3166 2-letter code for Scotland will be
[12:46] <SuperMatt> a journo friend of mine did some polls about leaving europe. The answers were either "yes!" in that pigheaded "Britain for the British" kind of way, or "I really don't have enough information"
[12:47] <SuperMatt> and even then, the vast majority fell in to the latter camp
[12:47] <SuperMatt> so having a referrendum is pointless
[12:49] <dwatkins> yeah, because the former camp might win because the rest of us might not vote
[12:49] <SuperMatt> I also feel that scotland should be part of the UK. I think we're all better off if we can work together
[12:50] <dwatkins> I'm concerned the scottish referrendum might turn out like this.
[12:50] <SuperMatt> it's the building of artificial barriers which prevents progress
[12:50] <dwatkins> indeed, SuperMatt - my main question about Scottish independance is "Why?"
[12:50] <SuperMatt> I just don't know
[12:52] <dwatkins> I suspect it will result in a country with little income.
[12:52] <SuperMatt> I imagine if you go to glasgow or edinburgh, most won't want to leave, my money's on most of the "yes" voters coming from the rural towns and villages who don't quite understand how economies work and just want their own piece of land to be exactly how they want it
[12:52] <dwatkins> indeed
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: they can sell moss.
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: highland moss.
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: and some peat.
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> and a few bottles of drink
[12:53] <SuperMatt> I wonder how scotland will cope when it comes to paying its welfare bill
[12:54] <dwatkins> we have it pretty good right now with free prescriptions, free eye tests and no student fees.
[12:54] <dwatkins> I'd be very surprised if that could continue after independence.
[12:54] <SuperMatt> sure sure, but how is that being paid for?
[12:59] <dwatkins> I imagine it's a case of apportioning our taxes differently.
[13:00] <shauno> for iso3166-2, since EC & SC are already taken, I'd propose 'JK'.  it's unused, and dot-jock would rock
[13:01] <dwatkins> nice
[13:04] <shauno> I'm kinda tied on the independence thing.  I think we should go more-EU and make borders less and less relevant.
[13:06] <dwatkins> the trouble is that sentiment seems to be less prevelent south of the "border"
[13:06] <dwatkins> I gather there's a clear difference in the way Scotland votes compared to England, too.
[13:06] <shauno> well there's your irony, I'm english :)
[13:07] <dwatkins> me too, I just happen to live in Edinburgh
[13:07] <dwatkins> I grew up in Berkshire.
[13:07] <shauno> I'm from oxord, but I grew up near glasgow
[13:07] <shauno> er, *oxford
[13:07] <SuperMatt> I think we should all just be a massive part of europe
[13:07] <SuperMatt> but there we go
[13:08] <dwatkins> well quite, SuperMatt
[13:08] <shauno> we are a massive part of europe.  we're just in denial about it
[13:08] <dwatkins> although I'm not sure "The United States of Europe" would be a popular idea ;)
[13:12] <SuperMatt> we just call outselves europe!
[13:12] <SuperMatt> Or, tbh, Outer London
[13:12] <SuperMatt> because London is all that matters
[13:13] <SuperMatt> or maybe "London wastes"
[13:13] <SuperMatt> yes, that's what we shall call Europe
[13:13] <dwatkins> not-London
[13:13] <shauno> I found myself recently wondering if the EU is closer to the US's initial design than the US is
[13:14] <dwatkins> that wouldn't surprise me
[13:15] <shauno> as far as state law vs federal law goes, at least.  the fed was only supposed to be involved with interstate commerce, foreign policy, etc.  and eventually dug its fingers into everything else
[13:15] <dwatkins> ...and then the rest of the world
[13:16] <shauno> so we're moving towards the design they're moving away from
[13:17] <dwatkins> well, Europe is...
[13:18] <shauno> I'll stick with 'we' because I don't live in the UK anymore :)
[13:18] <dwatkins> fair enough
[13:18] <dwatkins> I've always considered myself a citizen of Europe, as the school I went to was a european one.
[13:18] <shauno> and it saves me the embarrassment of admitting the UK's foreign policy is driven by the Daily Mail
[13:19] <dwatkins> it appears they aren't aware of the .ac.uk domains, though: http://www.esculham.co.uk/
[13:21] <SuperMatt> too many of the UK's policies are daily mail driven
[13:22]  * dwatkins shudders
[13:22] <dwatkins> I don't understand why that paper sells so well
[13:24]  * brobostigon reads private eye.
[13:24] <directhex> fear sells
[13:26] <popey> http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA26
[13:27] <popey> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/454601744711168000
[13:29] <shauno> that doesn't seem so wise.  could be interesting though
[13:29] <dwatkins> "Poitras responded to a question of if she would hazard an entry into the United States and she responded that she planned to attend an April 11th event regardless of the legal or professional threats posed by the United States authorities."
[13:37] <dwatkins> My cheap USB fan with LEDs on it that is a clock is now just a fan #FirstWorldProblems
[13:39] <bashrc> I consider myself a citizen of planet Earth
[13:40] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[13:40] <dwatkins> well said, bashrc
[13:41] <bashrc> I just consider countries to be zones of administerial convenience
[13:41] <popey> Hippy.
[13:41] <popey> ☻
[13:41] <bashrc> heh, I don't even have long hair
[13:55] <directhex> i'm more of a visitor to planet earth than a citizen
[13:55] <directhex> with a residency visa
[13:56] <dwatkins> I feel like an alien sitting in the corner solving problems he sees as they float past
[14:15] <dwatkins> either that, or I'm actually from another century, but I had my memory wiped.
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: wait, you're https://www.youtube.com/user/ZoggFromBetelgeuse ?!
[14:19] <dogmatic69> nope
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> uhrr I meant to say directhex:
[14:19] <dogmatic69> ah
[14:20] <foobarry> i do these very lowly paid surveys for ipsos etc.. lots of them seem to be about home broadband and/or beer
[14:25] <foobarry> interesting to see what market research they are doing though
[14:45] <jussi> foobarry: I do similar ones here. for the same reason.
[14:49] <foobarry> get paid pittance
[14:50] <foobarry> like £1 for 20  minutes
[14:50] <jussi> these ones dont even pay. you get put into a draw for a gift card...
[15:01] <popey> bug #1283979
[15:10] <foobarry> jussi: one of the surveys just now says "did you share any unauthorised films online in the last 12 moinths?"
[15:13] <bigcalm> How do you know if a film is unauthorised?
[15:14] <foobarry> i.e did you share any copyrighted films onlien
[15:14] <dwatkins> I imagine it's pretty easy to tell
[15:14] <foobarry> i didn't , but if i did, would i say yes?
[15:14] <bigcalm> Ignore me, I was being pedantic
[15:14] <dwatkins> perhaps it's like the riddle of the two people, one of whom lies, the other tells the truth
[15:14] <dwatkins> next question "have you ever lied on a survey?"
[15:15] <foobarry> i got screened out of the survey after saying no
[15:15] <foobarry> its a trap!
[15:23] <bigcalm> Are t-mobile and orange offering 4g now? Or does one have to move their contract to ee?
[15:24] <foobarry> even three are doing it
[15:24] <foobarry> as i realised because my wireless mics stopped working
[15:29] <awilkins> Och, shite
[15:29] <awilkins> Oops
[15:29] <awilkins> Sorry, channel unfriendly
[15:53] <mapp> hey bigcalm i think you gotta go to ee
[15:54] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[15:54] <bigcalm> I'd lose my discount then
[16:13] <mapp> whenever ive looked at 4g its too expensive anyway
[16:13] <mapp> i have unlimited 3g atm and thats the best i can get
[16:13] <mapp> i pai 50quid/month though..couldnt see any way to get it for any less
[16:13] <mapp> and it includes tethering
[16:24] <bigcalm> 3g is actually fine for my needs. Just that 8th May sees the end of my current contract and time for a new handset
[16:25] <bigcalm> So getting one that can do 4g is nice, but I guess not going to get used
[16:25] <awilkins> bigcalm, I've separated my handset and contract cycles
[16:26] <bigcalm> We've recently had this discussion in here :P
[16:26] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:27] <awilkins> £10 pcm for 1GB inc. tethering suits me just fine
[16:27] <awilkins> Hardly ever tether anyway
[16:27] <bigcalm> Oppo any good?
[16:27] <awilkins> Oppo?
[16:27] <bigcalm> Yeah, that's what I thought
[16:27] <bigcalm> https://en.oppo.com/
[16:29] <awilkins> Nice idea I suppose
[16:29] <awilkins> Happy enough with my N4, but if you want the extra customizability they seem to have the right attitude
[16:29] <awilkins> Who knows about the hardware though..
[16:30] <bigcalm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mY7Px6n4o
[16:36] <mapp> awilkins sure but i do like 3-4gig a month 3g at times
[16:36] <mapp> and tether on the train etc
[16:36] <awilkins> mapp, Heh, don't travel on trains anymore, and when I did it was usually over the pennines... tethering almost pointless  :-)
[16:37] <awilkins> Ouch $600 for the fancy end Oppo
[16:38] <mapp> ah
[16:39] <bigcalm> Looks like I'll "make do" with the Samsung Galaxy S5
[16:39] <mapp> how much that gonna cost u
[16:39] <mapp> for the phone and per month
[16:39] <bigcalm> Hopefully 50 quid up front and no more than 30 quid a month for 2 years (which is what I'm currently on)
[16:40] <bigcalm> That's if I can get the SGS5 on my Friends & Family discount
[16:40] <bigcalm> T-Mobile originally said that I couldn't have the SGS3 on my discount contract. But when I tried to cancel my contract to go elsewhere, they said I could have it
[16:40] <mapp> that seems ok
[16:40] <mapp> but
[16:41] <mapp> that seems cheap
[16:41] <mapp> hard to judge as all i want is unlimited 3g though and that costs money dnt care about mins ir texts
[16:41] <bigcalm> The S5 has the style of the S2
[16:41] <mapp> not upgrading till the i6 is out
[16:41] <mapp> :D
[16:43] <mapp> il be putting a pre order in once the dates released
[16:43] <mapp> cant wait
[16:46] <bigcalm> Looking at these new phones makes my SGS3 feel small
[16:47] <mapp> KIK
[16:47] <mapp> LOL EVEN
[16:47] <mapp> well
[16:47] <mapp> my friend had that big samsung thats like a phablet
[16:47] <mapp> he got sick of it and sold it
[16:47] <mapp> like a big screen is nice except it dont fit in your pocket so its awkward
[16:47] <bigcalm> The Note?
[16:47] <mapp> na a phone tablet note is ust a tablet aint it?
[16:48] <mapp> i mean for using the net or watching videos its sweet but it wouldnt fit in my pocket
[16:48] <bigcalm> The S5 is only slightly larger in both dimensions than the S3 that I have. So it'll still fit in my pocket
[16:48] <mapp> the i6 is coming in 2 varieties apparently
[16:48] <bigcalm> Does one of them have a usable OS?
[16:48] <bigcalm> Na, that'll never happen
[16:48] <mapp> pffff
[16:48] <mapp> :P

[16:48] <mapp> have u used an iphone
[16:49] <mapp> i love them
[16:49] <bigcalm> I've used an iPad. Hated it
[16:49] <mapp> i think even popey has an iphone?
[16:49] <popey> i do
[16:49] <mapp> yea see
[16:49] <popey> and android, firefox, ubuntu..
[16:49] <bigcalm> popey is an Apple fan boy
[16:49] <popey> shut it
[16:49] <mapp> lol
[16:49] <bigcalm> :D
[16:49] <popey> i have 5 phones on my desk, not rnough
[16:50] <mapp> ive got an android tablet nexus7/ipad air 128gig/firefox zte open/firefox other phone and i5
[16:50] <mapp> so not an apple fanboy..i just like ios:)
[16:50] <mapp> i dont think androids half as good tbh
[16:50] <mapp> firefox os phones arent a fraction of the cost of ios/android so dont have to be as good
[16:52] <mapp> s5s how much off contract?
[16:52] <popey> the new $25 ffos phone has 128MB RAM
[16:52] <mapp> ZTE open?
[16:52] <popey> no
[16:53] <popey> the new one
[16:53] <mapp> oh
[16:53] <popey> made by foxconn i think
[16:53] <mapp> i mean ive got a zte open..and its obviously not anywhere near an iphone 5
[16:53] <mapp> but its also 1/10 of the price
[16:53] <popey> indeed, i have one too, it was given to me
[16:53] <mapp> people dont seem to get that
[16:53] <popey> its a terrible phone.
[16:53] <mapp> but its 1/10 of the price of an iphone or s5
[16:53] <popey> so what?
[16:54] <popey> that doesn't stop it being terrible
[16:54] <mapp> well, then you cant expect miracles :)
[16:54] <popey> I didnt expect miracles
[16:54] <popey> You're suggesting things I never said.
[16:55] <mapp> no i didnt mean that just saying i didnt expect much
[16:55] <mapp> i mean imo it does twitter and the net and its cheap its what i expected
[16:55] <popey> you cant even scroll properly
[16:55] <popey> it flies past the target
[16:55] <mapp> yea thats annoying
[16:56] <mapp> i wonder if the other firefox phones are any better
[16:56] <mapp> also wonder if any if the updates make it better
[17:00] <popey> the geeks phone feels nice
[17:00] <popey> a bit like a sony device
[17:09] <bigcalm> Up in Manchester tomorrow. Where's nice to have dinner on one's own?
[17:10] <mapp> nandos!
[17:10] <mapp> i went there in the ardale
[17:10] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[17:11] <mapp> its nice lol
[17:11] <bigcalm> I like Nandos, but I can get that here
[17:12] <popey> curry mile dude!
[17:12] <mapp> hard rock cafe
[17:12] <bigcalm> Hayley be home!
[17:12]  * bigcalm scurries off to be happy
[17:13] <mapp> hayley?
[17:14] <awilkins> Lots of nice place in Manchester
[17:14] <mapp> yea
[17:16] <mapp> gah
[17:16] <mapp> in a queue
[17:16] <mapp> on phone to passport office;/
[17:17] <Azelphur> so, I met some guy locally who wants to set up a bitcoin meetup yesterday, he casually mentions he has something from Butterfly Labs and that he broke the PSU, I offered to go take a look. Turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in a box, since November...*cry*
[17:17] <Azelphur> for those not in the know...$3000 worth of hardware, $20,000+ in missed profits
[17:21] <mapp> woah
[17:21] <mapp> you in the US?
[17:22] <Azelphur> mapp: nope, UK
[17:24] <mapp> oh just u said in dollars
[17:40] <mapp> going to United game on 3rd may
[17:40] <mapp> then flying to Slovakia ..coming ack 6th may for another united game:P
[17:40] <mapp> then flying to Budapset:D
[17:43] <bigcalm> mapp: Hayley is my wife
[17:43] <bigcalm> That sounds weird to say, but it's true
[17:46] <mapp> ah
[17:46] <mapp> i cant imagine being married or living ih soeone
[17:46] <mapp> i love living alone
[17:46] <popey> I can believe it, I witnessed the marriage!
[17:46] <popey> er, wedding
[17:47] <mapp> living alone is nice
[17:47] <mapp> no questions of where im going etc
[17:47] <popey> heh
[17:47] <popey> yeah, i can see how that could be appealing
[17:47] <mapp> especially with my odd hours lol
[17:47] <popey> right now I have a kid watching telly, wifey asleep on the sofa, and daughter dancing in the kitchen
[17:48] <popey> i could go and and nobody would notice ☻
[17:48] <mapp> i went to the casino at 4am for a beer yesterday
[17:48] <popey> i have never been to a casino
[17:48] <mapp> i hate being questionned on what im doing..
[17:49] <mapp> im a member of both (stannley/genting/grrosvenor)
[17:49] <mapp> only go for a drink..i dont gamble usually
[17:49] <mapp> mugs game
[17:49] <mapp> i work for 365 and i know how much we make
[17:49] <mapp> so there's only one winner clearly
[18:18] <mrjdy123> Hi guys
[20:11] <mapp> urgh
[20:11] <mapp> ticket resale 24th and 27th
[20:11] <mapp> wonder why they split it up?;/
[20:11] <mapp> still 2 more chances to get a ticket..failed on release day;/
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> .. bigv dropped of the net for a bit there
[22:06] <daftykins> D:
[22:06] <daftykins> that's no good
[22:09] <MartijnVdS> it came back in 2 minutes or so
[22:13] <Alue_> hi. it's Alue.
[22:13] <MartijnVdS> hi Alue_
[22:13] <Alue_> please help me to partition my disk.
[22:14] <Alue_> I use Ubuntu 12.04
[22:15] <Alue_> please guide me step-by-step.
[22:15] <MartijnVdS> Alue_: do you have another OS on the same disk?
[22:15] <Alue_> no.
[22:16] <Alue_> but I would like to partition it.
[22:16] <MartijnVdS> Alue_: in that case, go with the installer's default for "Whole disk":
[22:16] <Alue_> ???
[22:16] <Alue_> please guide me
[22:17] <Alue_> my laptop is on.
[22:17] <Alue_> what should I do next??
[22:21] <Alue_> hello is anybody there???
[22:22] <directhex> Alue_, why not use the installer defaults?
[22:23] <Alue_> guide me at every step.
[22:23] <Alue_> What's installer default???
[22:24] <directhex> everything in one partition, except for a swap partition, i think?
[22:26] <Alue_> yeah.
[22:28] <daftykins> Alue_: you were asking the same last night, how far did you get?
[22:29] <Alue_> hey I was speaking about a boot error. I have overcome that issue. thanks. Thank you all for the support.
[22:33] <Alue_> what is linux-swap???
[22:34] <daftykins> it is like a virtual memory partition
[22:37] <Alue_> okay.
[22:37] <Alue_> it is consuming my memory.
[22:37] <Alue_> is it really required???
[22:49] <daftykins> depends what RAM you have
[22:49] <daftykins> or whether you want to suspend/hibernate
[22:53] <daftykins> a max of 4GB really isn't that much
[22:53] <daftykins> but to sleep or hibernate you'd need it the same size as what RAM you have
[22:55] <Alue_> help me partitio!!!
[22:58] <daftykins> you need to ask a more specific question
[22:58] <daftykins> how much disk space do you have free? is this free space after Windows? are you dual-booting? are you installing ubuntu on its' own?
[22:58] <daftykins> why aren't you just choosing automatic and getting on with it?


[10:49] <lapo> hi
[06:03] <coz> hello all
[06:03] <andreasn> hi
[06:03] <coz> It was suggested that I share my splash screen with the srt team I assume that is who you guys are/
[06:03] <coz> art
[06:04] <coz> andreasn, hello
[06:15] <coz> for the art team I have made a Splash-screen for dapper uploaded on to ubuntu forims under cosimo
[06:15] <coz> forums
[06:17] <andreasn> I'll check
[06:18] <andreasn> coz: url?
[06:23] <coz> andreasn, hold on
[06:24] <coz> andreasn,  for some reason you have to click on the greyed image to see it  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=2408&original=1&c=newimages
[06:24] <coz> andreasn, you have to click on
[06:25] <andreasn> nice
[06:26] <coz> andreasn, thanks
[06:26] <andreasn> I have a feeling a splash-screen is already in the works though
[06:26] <coz> andreasn, just a note, that is an african baobab tree
[06:26] <andreasn> I like the idea


[14:32] <mhall119> I have a couple of FFe's, if somebody could take a look at them.  Just version updates to fix a couple of bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/singlet/+bug/955317 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/955330
[14:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955317 in singlet "Update unity-singlet to version 0.2.2" [Undecided,New]
[14:43]  * skaet spots pitti looking at them...
[14:50] <pitti> hehe
[14:50] <mhall119> cjwatson: it seems pitti is already on the case though, thanks pitti
[14:56] <mhall119> pitti: I can't change the "affects" on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/955330, but the package is quickly-unity-lens-template
[14:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955330 in ubuntu "Update quickly-unity-lens-template to version 0.0.3" [Undecided,New]
[14:58] <mhall119> pitti: scratch that, I can change it, I just wasn't looking at the right place
[14:58] <mhall119> updated now
[15:01] <skaet> pitti,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/884888/ - figured it might be useful to be explicit that we'll not be switching over, and target the ubuntu-devel mail list with this info as well.   ( and forward Laura's email with it),   any tweaks you want to add?
[15:04] <cjwatson> that's a pretty content-free mail.  how about we say WHAT feature? :)
[15:05] <cjwatson> (also, I don't get the conservatism in this case; work item updates are not critical-path for release so I don't see why we shouldn't go ahead)
[15:07] <Laney> If this is about WI tracking in blueprints, then indeed I don't see why we shouldn't go ahead. Slightly more conservative would be to wait a week or so to see how Linaro's rollout goes.
[15:07] <mhall119> pitti: can I get your +1 on bug #955330 as well?
[15:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955330 in ubuntu "Update quickly-unity-lens-template to version 0.0.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/955330
[15:08] <cjwatson> Another way to look at it is that broken work item handling would actually be *more* painful after release than before (when we want to start planning new feature development), so we'd be better off going ahead now while it doesn't really matter.
[15:09] <skaet> cjwatson,  its more a case of not wanting to loose the tracking through a bad transition.
[15:09] <skaet> yes,  concervative
[15:09] <mhall119> does this new work-items feature have an API that can be used by status.ubuntu.com?
[15:09] <cjwatson> skaet: but it's conservative at exactly the wrong time to be conservative
[15:09] <mhall119> probably should ask that in an launchpad channel...
[15:09] <cjwatson> we're sufficiently far past feature freeze that it doesn't matter if we lose tracking at this point, surely?
[15:10] <skaet> cjwatson,  actually it does,  there are some events we need to straighten out,  and want to consult before setting up the q plans.
[15:10] <cjwatson> whereas if it broke stuff while people were trying to put together plans for Q just post-release, that would annoy lots of people
[15:10] <cjwatson> there are quite a few well-understood things that can be written up without further consultation
[15:11] <skaet> cjwatson,  timing we're likely looking at is a month from now.   That gives things a bit of a chance to settle down,  and find issues, before we create the work items at UDS
[15:11] <cjwatson> quite a few WIs can be written up pre-UDS, and I think we should be encouraging that when possible
[15:12] <skaet> cjwatson,  am fine with it being used for new workitems - that should be enabled now.   Its the conversion of existing ones to the new form that has the risk of loss.
[15:12] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[15:12] <cjwatson> OK, that makes more sense
[15:12] <ogra_> the arm team used to start writing up WI drafts about a month before final release during the last few cycles
[15:12] <ogra_> i bet there are other teams doing that too
[15:12] <cjwatson> in that case the mail should explain exactly what's happening - if I didn't know that I suspect most of the intended audience won't either
[15:13] <skaet> cjwatson,  ogra_ good points though,  I'll ad that clarification to the email.    :)
[15:14] <skaet> cjwatson,  I was going to forward Laura's email with the note,  which gave an overview of the change.   I'm not sure of the distribution list it went to,  since it was sent to a launchpad group members...
[15:14] <cjwatson> ok, thanks.  mails to ubuntu-devel-announce probably ought to assume that people haven't read that.
[15:14] <skaet> however,  will attempt to add a bit more clarity and context.  :)
[15:14] <skaet> ubuntu-devel-announce or ubuntu-devel?
[15:14]  * skaet was planning on ubuntu-devel,  but you may have a point...
[15:17] <cjwatson> well, either way
[15:17] <cjwatson> maybe just devel
[15:18] <skaet> ok,  I'll stick with devel for now,  and we can use devel-announce when we do switch over.
[15:29] <greyback> skaet: hi, Unity2D mini-release delayed, we found an issue with ATI hardware that we need to fix. didrocks proposes delaying release until Monday, to make sure we get everything right. That ok?
[15:29] <skaet> greyback,  yes, that's ok.   Thanks for letting me know.
[15:30] <greyback> skaet: np, good to keep you in the loop
[16:24] <pitti> skaet: not sure, we now have a fixed WI tracker which can deal with both (it hasn't rolled out yet)
[16:25] <pitti> skaet: but if you want to hold it back, no real objection from me
[17:12] <skaet> pitti,  yeah,  I figure a week after Beta 2,  most of the key issues should be resolved is probably a good time for those who want to manually do the switch,  and then get the automated migration to occur around release candidate time.
[17:16] <pabelanger> Coming from ubuntu-motu; I've just done my first FFe (bug 956188) and hoping when somebody has a minute to confirm I have all the required information? Thanks
[17:16] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956188 in rebuildd "FFe: Sync rebuildd 0.4.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956188
[17:20] <pitti> skaet: TBH I'd never switch existing blueprints
[17:20] <pitti> skaet: I'd just keep the ones that we have as they are, and then start using the decidated WI field for the 12.10 specs
[17:20] <skaet> pitti,  what about the ones that were postponed for P,  that folks want to rework for Q?
[17:21] <skaet> those were the ones I was thinking might get targetted for the transition.
[17:21] <pitti> they shouldn't be too hard to update, and AIUI LP will even migrate them automatically
[17:28] <skaet> hmm... I've been using the term transitition in the context of "migrate them automatically",  sorry to be unclear.
[17:28] <skaet> agreed by the way,  don't see any point in moving the historical ones over.   Only those from Q forward.
[17:28] <skaet> pitti, ^
[17:37] <pitti> *nod* (sorry for lagging, I'm in a meeting)
[19:34] <ScottK> Daviey: Could you have a look at Bug #956167  please?
[19:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956167 in opendkim "FFe: Upgrade to opendkim <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956167
[19:43] <Daviey> ScottK: done.
[19:45] <ScottK> Daviey: Thanks.
[20:02] <Daviey> Does anyone know why these binaries were rejected?
[20:02] <Daviey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quantum/2012.1~e4-0ubuntu1/+build/3261167
[20:03] <Daviey> no mention on ubuntu-archive
[20:20] <Daviey> jdstrand: I don't suppose that was part of the mass-reject that happend beginning of March? ^^
[20:24] <jdstrand> Daviey: I don't recall, but think it might have been a binary (quantum-common?) that was provided by another package, both with the same version. I told zul
[20:29] <Daviey> jdstrand: Ahhh, yes!  Thanks
[20:29] <Daviey> jdstrand: It was a transitional thing, i think.. without proper Breaks/Replaces
[20:29] <Daviey> jdstrand: thnaks
[20:41] <jdstrand> np
[22:31] <stgraber> skaet: do you know if any UIFe has been granted for the changes to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu?
[22:31] <stgraber> skaet: I was considering doing a translation update and noticed quite a few changes that appeared in the branch after UI freeze: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/changes
[22:32] <stgraber> my last commit (tag:53) was UI freeze, everything after that was during UI freeze
[22:32] <skaet> stgraber, not remembering any, but need to do some homework to confirm.   My memory could be flawed here.
[22:33] <skaet> Xubuntu is changing their logo, and that was approved.
[22:33] <knome> \o/
[22:33] <stgraber> skaet: I see a few other string changes in that branch, so if we choose to go with them, we should upload it ASAP so that translators have time to catch up
[22:34] <knome> it might be my mistake to pull them in - sorry
[22:34]  * knome blushes
[22:34] <knome> i just pulled and pushed
[22:35] <skaet> stgraber,  yeah, we need to get this sorted, and give the translators a chance here.
[22:35] <stgraber> knome: all the png changes are fine as they are either optimizations or covered by your UIFe
[22:35] <stgraber> knome: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/437 is a string change though
[22:35] <stgraber> and so are a few changes from Dylan
[22:35] <knome> mmh. i wonder if my pulling and pushing merged those too
[22:36] <stgraber> knome: the main branch is lp:~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html  so if that's what you used, then no
[22:36] <knome> i did
[22:36] <knome> ok :)
[22:36] <knome> phew
[22:36] <stgraber> knome: can you update debian/changelog for your changes too?
[22:37] <knome> i've never done that, but i can.
[22:38] <stgraber> knome: I can do it for you if that's easier
[22:38] <knome> that would be great, i'm not even on my desktop :)
[22:38] <knome> thanks!
[22:38] <stgraber> knome: do you have a bug number for your UIFe (for the logo)?
[22:39] <knome> just a sec...
[22:39] <knome> that would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/955396
[22:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 955396 in xubuntu-artwork "UIFe: New Xubuntu logo" [Undecided,In progress]
[22:39] <stgraber> thanks
[22:40] <knome> np :)
[22:40] <stgraber> skaet: this one changes the first slide of the slideshow: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/431
[22:40]  * knome is still a bit jammed after a huge back pain + migraine
[22:40] <skaet> stgraber, some of the twitter stuff looks like Dylan's work,  not remembering a UIFe about it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/942046
[22:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 942046 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "Hide Twitter stream for non-English slideshows" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
[22:41] <knome> i think there's one change by me that isn't under UIFe, but it's minor for us, so if it doesn't get fixed, it's okay
[22:42] <knome> i'm also afraid we might need an another UIFe for the ubuntu studio slideshow :/ need to check that with the US devs though and will ask them to file it
[22:43] <skaet> stgraber,  hmm,  pangolin logo, but not aware of a UIFe for changing it...
[22:46] <stgraber> skaet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/885625/
[22:46] <stgraber> skaet: reverse-engineered changelog with comments inline :)
[22:53] <skaet> stgraber,  am not spotting any UIFe's from Dylan in the last 30 days.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+subscribedbugs?orderby=-datecreated&start=0
[22:54] <skaet> there's an old one in there from Oneiric time frame that should be closed (currently incomplete)
[22:58] <stgraber> ouch, translations have been behind quite a bit ... just merged a new tarball and that's 500 of them being updated/added
[22:58] <stgraber> skaet: so what should we do here, nag them to file UIFe or just revert?
[22:59] <stgraber> I could probably file a generic bug though but I'm not the author of these changes so can only comment based on what I see in the branch...
[22:59] <stgraber> my job is usually limited to updating translations and uploading the branch
[22:59] <skaet> stgraber,  sorry to be slow,  thinking...
[23:00]  * knome should probably know more about translating to know how much it sucks to have UIFe's all the time
[23:00] <stgraber> if we're fair, everyone was expecting the first slide of the slideshow to change as it contained the ocelot
[23:00] <skaet> would prefer to revert, but not sure if we're just going to make the problem worse, but the delay.
[23:01] <stgraber> the added "!" if we're lucky will be merged automatically by LP as a fuzzy string and we'll be fine
[23:01] <stgraber> the rest should get translated pretty quickly if we inform dpm
[23:02] <skaet> ok,  go ahead and apply,  and we'll see if we can get the UIFe situation cleaned up,  and some education.
[23:03] <stgraber> skaet: I'll file a generic UIFe bug and subscribe documentation + translations so they're aware of the changes that happened
[23:03] <stgraber> and I'll subscribe the slideshow guys too so they know they would have needed a UIFe :)
[23:03] <skaet> stgraber,  thank you - that would be much appreciated.
[23:03] <skaet> interestingly enough there was one filed by Dylan in the Oneiric timeframe, so not sure why he didn't now... :P
[23:08] <stgraber> skaet: bug 956554
[23:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956554 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "[UIFe] Changes accumulated in the slideshow branch after UI freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956554
[23:08] <knome> thanks stgraber
[23:13] <skaet> stgraber, I've subscribed ubuntu-release, and approved it.
[23:15] <stgraber> skaet: thanks, just to confirm, you're fine with me uploading it without waiting for the doc team?
[23:15] <stgraber> (would have poked jbicha but for some reason he isn't around ;))
[23:17] <skaet> stgraber, I'll post in the #ubuntu-doc channel and let them know we had some string changes,  but yes go ahead.
[23:17] <stgraber> skaet: ok, thanks
[23:19] <stgraber> skaet: uploaded
[23:20] <stgraber> I'll prepare another one next Thursday so we have the new translations for beta2
[23:20] <skaet> stgraber, thanks.
[23:32] <skaet> slangasek,  if you have time, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rebuildd/+bug/956188,   I'm not sure of all of the implications of this at this point in the cycle.
[23:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956188 in rebuildd "FFe: Sync rebuildd 0.4.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]
[23:33] <pabelanger> hey, that's my request :)
[23:34] <slangasek> skaet: it's a leaf package in universe, so the implications should be self-contained
[23:34] <stgraber> ogra_, infinity: any of you two now if bug 567200 still applies to our current ARM images?
[23:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 567200 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu "On Netbook Edition installer shows apps that are not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567200
[23:35] <slangasek> skaet: sorry, don't have time to look at it beyond that at the moment - but at first blush it looks reasonable to me
[23:35] <skaet> slangasek, thanks.