[17:48] <jrgifford> Happy sysadmin day to my fellow sysadmins!
[17:49] <jrgifford> and to the pythons that pretend to do that (cough paultag cough)
[17:50] <paultag> i'm proudly unemployed
[17:50] <paultag> :)
[17:52] <dzho> sysadmins gonna sysadmin even if they don't always get paid
[22:47] <cyberanger> dzho: +1


[00:21] <mathomastech> Even everyone!
[00:21] <mathomastech> Evening*
[00:22] <widox> hola mathomastech
[00:22] <widox> missing CHC
[00:22] <mathomastech> Yea, unfortunately
[00:23] <mathomastech> widox: I am about 3/4 of the way to chicago right now. Kinda hard to be 2 places at once.
[00:24] <widox> boo
[01:29] <mathomastech> Hows the hacking going?
[01:34] <snap-l> eh, it goes. :)
[01:35] <rick_h_> email fits on one page again yay
[01:50] <rick_h_22> this isn't bad at all
[01:51] <snap-l> Sve for the nick chaning all the damn time
[01:55] <rick_h_22> yea, there is that
[01:56] <rick_h_droid> boom
[01:56] <rick_h_droid> until we leave
[01:57] <widox> rick_h_droid: derp
[01:57] <rick_h_droid> herp
[01:57] <rick_h_droid> and such
[01:57] <snap-l> i just uae ssh
[01:58] <rick_h_droid> yea, ssh ftw
[02:49] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://goo.gl/7tYbh
[02:49] <rick_h_> is the case I have
[02:50] <rick_h_> with http://goo.gl/ax5m8
[02:50] <Blazeix> rick_h_: perfect, thanks!
[04:28] <Blazeix> rick_h_: so i just spent 1.5 hours reading redis documentation and doing some data modeling.
[04:29] <Blazeix> after all that, i think i arrived at the same data model you described in like 30 seconds :)
[04:29] <Blazeix> though i'm going to try to put everything in redis, and not need a sql db at all. we'll see how that goes
[11:23] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:54] <rick_h_> Blazeix: hah, very cool
[11:56] <rick_h_> morning, ugh
[14:02] <rick_h_> <3 chrome this is badass https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/317275266693083137
[14:53] <snap-l> Oh hell yes.
[20:19] <rick_h_> OMG yay! goodreads to audible integration please! http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/28/amazon-acquires-social-reading-site-goodreads/
[20:19] <rick_h_> auto updating your progress would be so awesome
[22:09] <snap-l> I hope the Kindle gets the automatic progress updates
[22:10] <snap-l> I'll never see it for Nook now, but that would be quite awesome
[22:10] <snap-l> Wonder if that means the Goodreads app will disappear from the B&N store
[22:13] <snap-l> I <3 these twats that want to put content on my site
[22:13] <snap-l> hey, we have this infographic on airports and lost luggage. Perhaps you could link to it off this Ubuntu article you have?
[22:14] <snap-l> How about you get fucked?
[22:16] <snap-l> Really hate that


[13:20] <Sparkee> do you guys know how can I specify the relay/smtp server to be used by sm-mta?
[13:24] <Sparkee> so I avoid issues like Jul 13 13:14:17 my-server.hostname.com sm-mta[15339]: 169GH1sX018435<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(0/0), delay=3+20:57:16, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=931101, relay=alt3.aspmx.l.google.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by alt3.aspmx.l.google.com.
[13:24] <Sparkee> my server does not have a public IP
[13:26] <rbasak> Why are you using sendmail?
[13:26] <rbasak> Here are instructions for postfix: https://askubuntu.com/questions/228938/how-can-i-configure-postfix-to-send-all-email-through-my-gmail-account
[13:26] <rbasak> postfix is in main in Ubuntu, unlike sendmail, so better supported, and you'll be able to get better community help with it.
[13:29] <Sparkee> rbasak: the funny thing is that I updated /etc/mail/submit.cf, the did a 'mane -C /etc/mail' then reloaded, and IF I send an email by command line the system will use the email server specified on submit.cf, but system emails / root emails are ignoring this setting
[13:30] <Sparkee> if possible I'd like to keep the default sendmail, there must be a setting for it
[13:34] <rbasak> Sparkee: sendmail isn't default on Ubuntu.
[13:35] <Sparkee> rbasak: oh, I saw /etc/cron.d/sendmail and I thought it is, what is the default?
[13:35] <rbasak> postfix
[13:35] <rbasak> How did you end up with sendmail installed?
[13:35] <rbasak> It's not there by default.
[13:35] <Sparkee> hmmm, I'm not seeing it installed
[13:36] <qman> most (if not all) MTAs provide the sendmail program for compatibility reasons
[13:36] <Sparkee> I see
[13:36] <qman> it isn't actually sendmail, it's a sendmail compatible interface
[13:37] <Sparkee> ok...
[13:38] <Sparkee> in /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/maillog I'm seeing "sm-mta"
[13:38] <rbasak> That suggests to me that you actually have sendmail installed
[13:38] <qman> with postfix, it's very easy to set up a remote relay, the dpkg configuration has an option for it built in, "satellite system"
[13:39] <qman> using gmail for your relay requires more changes than that since they use auth and custom settings, but for connecting to another postfix relay, it just works
[13:39] <Sparkee> ok
[13:40] <Sparkee> with sendmail I can send emails without a daemon be listening
[13:41] <Sparkee> can I do that with postfix?
[13:41] <qman> no
[13:42] <Sparkee> can you configure postfix to listen only on <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:42] <Sparkee> I ONLY want to send emails
[13:42] <Sparkee> but I want to do it from ~50 servers :)
[13:43] <qman> yes
[13:43] <Sparkee> that's good
[13:43] <Sparkee> is that also configured in /etc/postfix/main.cf ?
[13:44] <qman> yes, also pretty sure it does that by default when you choose satellite system
[13:45] <qman> mynetworks = <IP_ADDRESS>/8 [::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>]/104 [::1]/128
[13:45] <qman> inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[13:45] <Sparkee> ty!
[13:46] <Sparkee> I'm going to give it a try as soon as I can
[16:56] <Sparkee> btw postfix, what logrotate config do you use for it?


[16:19] <thx> test
[19:41] <ROBOT1024> 晚上好 同胞们
[21:35]  * mosesofmason slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout


[03:26] <wrst-phone> woot
[03:26] <cyberanger> wrst-phone: what just happened
[03:26] <cyberanger> you get an early christmas gift
[03:44] <wrst> yep cyberanger
[03:44] <wrst> :)
[03:44] <cyberanger> what'd you get
[03:45] <wrst> android
[03:45] <wrst> gotta go but if all works well i will be back in a few cyberanger :)
[03:46] <cyberanger> android what?
[03:46] <cyberanger> gonna root it?
[03:59] <wrst-phone> Cyberaner you here?
[04:02] <cyberanger> yes
[04:02] <cyberanger> what's your phone, besides a verizon android device
[04:03] <wrst-phone> Woot a vortex
[04:03] <cyberanger> gonna root it
[04:03] <wrst-phone> This keypad takes some getting used to
[04:04] <wrst-phone> Should I?
[04:05] <cyberanger> not on day one, I guess
[04:06] <cyberanger> unless you know of a good reason for it or already researched it
[04:06] <wrst-phone> Ha ha why should I do it? Sounds fun
[04:07] <cyberanger> sometimes the reason is as simple as "Sounds fun"
[04:11] <wrst-phone> That works for me
[17:09] <cyberanger> afternoon everyone
[20:42] <wrst> hey cyberanger
[21:03] <wrst> netritious: drum setup i like the sound of all of that
[21:03] <netritious> it's getting there wrst :)
[21:04] <netritious> first thing was to get it out of the closet lol
[21:04] <wrst> cool no instrument should reside in a closet for long!
[21:05] <cyberanger> well, except maybe a bagpipe
[21:06] <wrst> nah that's all good too if its played rigth :)
[21:06]  * wrst wonders why his direct tv channels where leaving one by one
[21:06] <wrst> oh netritious finally made it to the modern age got an android phone
[21:06] <netritious> nice wrst! which one?
[21:08] <cyberanger> Vortex
[21:08] <wrst> vortex, not top o' the line but pretty nice i'm enjoying it
[21:08]  * cyberanger <3's his T-Mobile G2
[21:13] <wrst> cyberanger: what do you use for ssh ?
[21:13] <cyberanger> irssi connectbot
[21:13] <wrst> i saw that thought about giving it a go
[21:13] <cyberanger> http://www.appbrain.com/app/irssi-connectbot/org.woltage.irssiconnectbot
[21:14] <wrst> downloading now cyberanger
[21:16] <jfenn2199> Good afternoon all
[21:16] <wrst> cyberanger: i have been using connectbot for sshing into my server this is cool stuff :)
[21:17] <jfenn2199> +1 to connectbot wrst
[21:18] <cyberanger> afternoon jfenn2199
[21:19] <cyberanger> wrst: ditch yaaic for weechat screen and connectbot
[21:19] <jfenn2199> How goes cyberanger?
[21:19] <cyberanger> not too bad
[21:19] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm pretty tempted to go back to that in place of quassel
[21:23] <cyberanger> wrst_phone: see how powerful the cli is ;-)
[21:23] <wrst_phone> cyberanger I  have no tab key
[21:24] <wrst_phone> gotta figure all this out
[21:25] <cyberanger> right alt key
[21:26] <cyberanger> or, huh, lemme see, that's it for me, but your phone...
[21:27] <cyberanger> no hw keyboard, ugh idk
[21:27] <wrst_phone> yeah I ned further research I cant turn the phone sideways either
[21:27] <jfenn2199> Yeah that's the only plm with connectbot figuring out crtl and tab is a pain with all the diff phones but if your using andChat the search button does tab completion
[21:28] <cyberanger> jfenn2199: not all models have a search button
[21:28] <jfenn2199> Hmm
[21:28] <cyberanger> and for connectbot, shouldn't be too bad, the settings should allow some selections
[21:28] <wrst_phone> I have one but no dice
[21:28] <cyberanger> but it was built for hw phones
[21:29] <wrst_phone> yeaah
[21:30] <wrst_phone> my typing still stinks
[21:30] <cyberanger> *hw keyboard phones
[21:30] <jfenn2199> Just noticed the sw key has no search button which makes me think twice about the Evo when I can upgrade in Jan
[21:31] <cyberanger> wrst_phone: one might say your all thumbs ;-)
[21:31] <wrst_phone> oh yeah
[21:33] <wrst_phone> well cool I can scroll with touch screen
[21:33] <wrst_phone> and change windows cool
[21:38] <wrst_phone> cyberanger I found tab but not working... yet
[21:39] <cyberanger> hrm
[21:40] <wrst_phone> yeah I wil get it eventually
[21:42] <cyberanger> yeah, eventually, you've got time
[21:42] <cyberanger> Rome didn't fall in a day (mostly cause I left my C4 in Beirut)
[21:43] <cyberanger> (bad joke, very bad joke)
[21:43] <wrst_phone> yeah trying to transfer a file to it now cyberanger
[21:49] <wrst_phone> now trying to install something not from the store
[21:57] <netritious> yeah I like ConnectBot for SSH, AndChat for IRC
[21:59] <cyberanger> I just keep to connectbot for SSH, and run IRC off my server
[21:59] <cyberanger> covers both nicely ;-)
[22:06] <jfenn2199> AndChat has been very useful to me here lately
[22:07] <wrst> andchat... i shall try it
[22:07] <cyberanger> jfenn2199: no doubt, I've seen it as you login
[22:08] <cyberanger> jfenn2199: can you tether?
[22:08] <jfenn2199> Not yet I need to get a usb cabel and root this then I will be
[22:09] <jfenn2199> Yeah wrst AndChat (though not Open Souce (but free as in free beer)) is really nice
[22:10] <jfenn2199> *cable
[22:16] <wrst> i may try it i would love  a quassel client the one out there is not much and just getting going
[22:21] <wrst-phone> My fav so
[22:21] <wrst-phone> Far
[22:30] <jfenn2199> Yeah it started as some kids Comp Sci project
[22:36] <wrst> cool i would love a native quassel client for android but with no QT that looks not so likely
[22:57] <wrst-phone> JACK-86 hello
[22:57] <cyberanger> hey JACK-86
[22:58] <cyberanger> welcome to the Tennessee LoCo
[22:58] <wrst-phone> N
[22:58] <cyberanger> wrst-phone: ?
[23:00] <wrst-phone> Fat fingers small keys cyberanger
[23:00]  * cyberanger sends wrst-phone a Motorola Brick ;-)
[23:00] <JACK-86> hey
[23:01] <JACK-86> hello
[23:01] <wrst-phone> How arw you doing JACK-86
[23:02] <JACK-86> fine
[23:04] <wrst-phone> Cool welcome to the madness
[23:06] <wrst-phone> Something I said?
[23:06] <cyberanger> madness
[23:06] <cyberanger> or lack of intrest
[23:07] <cyberanger> maybe a first time IRC'er
[23:12] <wrst-phone> ha ha,maybe
[23:30] <wrst-phone> cyberanger maybe elijah-mbp wont leave so quickly
[23:30] <elijah-mbp> lol
[23:31] <cyberanger> hehe
[23:31] <wrst-phone> How are ypu doing elijah-mbp?
[23:31] <elijah-mbp> busy - client emergency right now.  otherwise i wouldn't be online right now.
[23:33] <cyberanger> wrst-phone: also, that IP is apperently from Brazil, so the issue could simply be trying to say more, I said hey, you said hello, he didn't say goodbye
[23:33] <wrst-phone> Crud hope tou get it fixed quickly
[23:33] <cyberanger> elijah-mbp: eek
[23:33] <elijah-mbp> yeah, back in a few
[23:34] <wrst-phone> Ah could be cyberanger
[23:34] <wrst-phone> Later elijah-mbp


[18:00] <kyrofa> My snap builds have been sitting for 45 minutes and haven't started yet. Are we going through a rebuild of some sort?
[18:05] <dobey> kyrofa: https://launchpad.net/builders
[18:06] <dobey> looks like the builders are just busy, but not as horrible as a whole archive rebuild
[18:07] <kyrofa> dobey, yeah, lots of jobs there. I always forget about that page, thanks :)
[18:46] <cjwatson> kyrofa: just a lot of early-zesty activity
[18:46] <kyrofa> cjwatson, ah, makes sense
[18:46] <cjwatson> there was a rebuild of boost reverse-deps
[18:47] <cjwatson> I can rescore urgent things, although if it's not urgent I'd prefer to just let things churn
[18:50] <kyrofa> cjwatson, no need, I was asking to make sure nothing was wrong :)
[18:51] <kyrofa> cjwatson, perhaps a dumb question: how did you know that there was a rebuild of boost reverse-deps?
[18:52] <kyrofa> Just because you're involved in those channels? Or is there a way I could have seen that as well?
[18:52] <cjwatson> kyrofa: zesty-changes@
[18:53] <kyrofa> Ah ha! Thanks cjwatson


[02:02] <projectdp> so quiet
[02:02]  * pleia2 waves
[02:05]  * seidos rides pleia2's wave
[02:06] <seidos> anyone know the syntax for sending a /me in an irssi perl script?
[02:07] <pleia2> action
[02:08] <pleia2> so instead of /me you'd do "action #channel does cartwheels"
[02:08] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/modular_r2d2.php has a bunch of irssi scripts I wrote in 2003 or something
[02:09] <seidos> ah, action
[02:09] <pleia2> scripts.irssi.org is also super useful for examples
[02:09] <seidos> lemme try that
[02:09] <seidos> yeah, already there
[02:10] <pleia2> cool
[02:10] <seidos> searching it though was taking a long time
[02:10]  * pleia2 nods
[02:11] <seidos> goooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal
[02:11] <seidos> thanks
[02:11] <pleia2> welcome :)
[02:14] <projectdp> oh wow that's an awesome site hahah
[02:43] <projectdp> hi akk
[02:44] <akk> hi
[03:25] <seidos> hmmm, that's kind of disturbing that i couldn't find documentation for the action syntax
[03:25] <pleia2> not really, irssi is poorly documented
[03:25] <seidos> so then it's less than "kind of" disturbing?
[03:26] <seidos> like, not disturbing at all?
[03:26] <seidos> i guess most people do the word of mouth thing
[03:26] <pleia2> I don't know that I'd call lack of documentation for an open source project "disturbing" at all :) it's quite common
[03:26] <seidos> hunger is quite common :/
[03:27] <pleia2> I'd hardly equate human suffering with lack of documentation
[03:27] <seidos> there are different levels of suffering, lack of documentation is one of them
[03:28] <pleia2> doesn't hit my "disturbing" meter though, YMMV
[03:28] <seidos> does it hit anything?
[03:29] <pleia2> just my typical "ah open source and it's lack of documentation"
[03:29] <akk> Hey, it's suffering -- just in a "first world problems" sense. :)
[03:30] <seidos> actually, i thought this was a pretty good link:  http://www.irssi.org/documentation/perl
[03:30]  * akk is busy writing up a blog post about how much I've suffered trying to write a web app for android
[03:30] <akk> (poor me :)
[03:30] <seidos> it was just missing something specific on "action"
[03:31] <sn9> isn't the action syntax just "/me does this" ?
[03:31] <seidos> sn9: apparently not
[03:31] <seidos> i gave the old "/me does this" a try, it's in perl fyi
[03:31] <seidos> using Irssi module
[03:32] <seidos> pleia2: did you see "action" used in an existin script?  sample script?
[03:32] <pleia2> probably in an existing script
[03:32] <seidos> is that how you learned it?
[03:32] <seidos> ah...hmmm
[03:34] <seidos> oh yeah, i got wireless from terminal working, took "a few" tries
[03:34] <seidos> the arch wiki didn't quite cut it
[03:34] <seidos> but it did help
[03:34] <sn9> /action does this
[03:34]  * sn9 does this
[03:35] <seidos> so /me is an alias i guess?
[03:35] <sn9> should be
[03:35] <seidos> that wasn't included in the Irssi module i guess
[03:36] <seidos> well, i'll use action from now on, "me" wasn't a command that worked.  i'm sure i tried everything correctly
[03:37] <seidos> that is interesting, i must've got stuck with the /me from my mirc days or something
[03:37] <seidos> maybe everyone has been using /action except for me
[03:37] <seidos> T_T
[03:37]  * pleia2 uses /me
[03:38] <seidos> me me me, like Agent Smith
[03:38] <seidos> /me is shorter
[03:38] <seidos> quicker, more efficient
[03:39] <seidos> i'm considering downloading all the files on scripts.irssi.org, then using grep to find syntax i need
[03:41] <akk> Not a bad idea, assuming it doesn't take forever to download them all.
[03:53] <seidos> it shouldn't take more than 10 min i guess
[03:53] <seidos> how fast is your connection akk ?
[03:53] <seidos> but i'll let you know :P
[03:53] <seidos> i'm not really in a hurry though
[03:53] <seidos> just be nice to have it cached
[03:53] <akk> seidos: Not super fast -- it's DSL, not cable.
[03:54] <akk> And we're in a backwater on the edge of San Jose.
[03:54] <seidos> ah
[04:13] <seidos> wow, 824 files in 1m6s 239K/s
[04:13] <seidos> there is a problem with internet infrastructure
[04:13] <seidos> which is...well...kind of sad
[04:15] <seidos> i wish i knew more about the technology
[04:16] <seidos> blah blah blah
[04:19] <projectdp> hm, i'm also in SJ
[04:20] <seidos> i probably should be in san jose
[04:20] <seidos> well, there's some foss activity here
[17:02] <projectdp> seidos: what foss activity is there here?
[17:02] <seidos> projectdp: you mean in so. cal?
[17:03] <pleia2> projectdp: http://linuxmafia.com/bale/ include san jose and the surrounding area
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> I thought this was interesting... an Open Source Ecology idea (TED Talk 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIsHKrP-66s
[17:03] <iheartubuntu> and do I see an Ubuntu laptop at 2 min 10 sec?
[17:04] <seidos> i like what the chicago loco did
[17:04] <seidos> made a loco out of a city
[17:04] <seidos> i'm sure this has been beaten to death though
[17:04] <seidos> a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
[17:06] <projectdp> cool
[17:06] <projectdp> thanks pleia2, i just emailed the svbug people :)
[17:07] <pleia2> seidos: yeah, ubuntu chicago was established a long time ago when city locos were allowed to be approved
[17:07] <pleia2> usually locos are *country* wide, the US was allowed to do by state
[17:08] <pleia2> works out nicely because then the whole state can benefit from active cities
[17:08] <seidos> mhm
[17:09] <seidos> hopefully i can get more activity here in LA
[17:09] <akk> It can get a little tricky in big states like CA, though, where people are so far apart.
[17:09] <seidos> ah, sad, my wireless terminal stuff doesn't handle sleep so well
[17:10] <pleia2> yeah, we all just do our own local things, even in "small" states it can be a 3 hour drive across the state :)
[17:10] <seidos> the paradoxical sacred and profane
[17:10] <seidos> it's great, and not so great
[17:13] <projectdp> cool video iheartubuntu
[17:14] <projectdp> akk: are you talking about emotionally apart?
[17:14] <akk> projectdp: No, just physically.
[17:15] <projectdp> really it seems like we have higher person-proximity density than most other places.
[17:15] <akk> I grew up in SoCal, live in NorCal now, so I just laugh at the whole rivalry thing.
[17:15] <akk> I like both parts.
[17:15] <projectdp> me too i'm here now too :)
[17:15] <akk> And they're not that different except when NorCalians start going all "ooh <shudder> WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE LA!"
[17:16] <seidos> the only gripe i have with LA is the car culture
[17:17] <akk> or THEY'RE STEALING OUR WATER, THOSE EVIL LA PEOPLE
[17:17] <projectdp> heh
[17:17] <akk> seidos: How is the bay area not a car culture, outside of downtown SF and Berkeley/Oakland?
[17:17] <seidos> i wonder if folks in colorado ever think "those californians are stealing our water"
[17:17] <projectdp> well it's kind of like a desert. and they try to keep it green
[17:17] <akk> Good question, seidos.
[17:18] <projectdp> akk: we're not as much of a car culture as LA come on..
[17:18] <seidos> akk: BART i think is nicer than the light rail here
[17:18] <akk> seidos: BART? I live in the south bay, what is this BART you speak of?
[17:18] <projectdp> maybe in 10 yrs akk
[17:18] <seidos> akk: you know, annoying little kid on the Simpsons
[17:18] <akk> heh
[17:19] <seidos> i suspect quantifying the difference probably isn't easy
[17:19] <seidos> if we compare downtown LA to SF city
[17:19] <seidos> hmmm, yeah, it's probably totally an illusion
[17:20] <projectdp> not entirely
[17:20] <akk> I'd say downtown SF is definitely less car oriented than downtown LA. But the outlying areas are pretty comparable, really.
[17:20] <iheartubuntu> BART used to appear so modern to me as a child. now it has lost that viewpoint IMO. still looks nice tho
[17:20] <projectdp> we have some semblance of a public transportation cutlure
[17:20] <projectdp> culture*
[17:20]  * iheartubuntu waits for the goldline metro to arrive near my house
[17:21] <akk> I try to take transit every now and then, and I find it very difficult and expensive starting from the south bay.
[17:21] <projectdp> it's one of the only systems in the state like it
[17:21] <projectdp> auto-best
[17:21] <projectdp> even though it sucks compared to all of europe
[17:22] <akk> Or any east coast US city.
[17:22] <akk> Or Portland or Seattle (not sure about Seattle, been a long time)
[17:22] <iheartubuntu> i have always either flown in and taken public trans in SF or driven in, parked the car in a lot and used public trans while in SF
[17:23] <iheartubuntu> but last time I was in SF for a long weekend I drove the car around a lot and saw much more than i thought was possible :)
[17:23] <akk> Sure, within the city of SF it's fine. The bay area is not SF.
[17:23] <projectdp> i've only done that a handful of times to LA
[17:23] <seidos> that's pretty cool, i probably should do that next time, i didn't know where to park the car
[17:23] <projectdp> and it's much more annoying
[17:23] <seidos> i took Bart to Berkeley from SF
[17:23] <seidos> wasn't too bad
[17:23] <seidos> wasn't too great either, i think it took an hour
[17:23] <projectdp> loud in that section huh
[17:23] <akk> yeah, as I said earlier, SF, Berkeley and Oakland.
[17:24] <akk> If you only ever go to the cores of the big cities you're fine.
[17:24] <iheartubuntu> ive always stayed at like thepowellhotel.com and parked under union square (the hotel used to give free parking passes)
[17:24] <akk> Or a few outlying places that happen to be on a BART line.
[17:24] <seidos> that really isn't true here in LA, since it's so big
[17:24] <seidos> suburban sprawl is like bacterial growth, and unfortunately, public transit doesn't automatically grow with it
[17:24] <akk> LA is certainly bigger than the bay area, but the bay area is HUGE compared to SF+Berkeley+Oakland.
[17:25] <seidos> well, we have the Inland Empire...
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> its not much of an empire
[17:25] <seidos> or maybe that's San Diego's
[17:25] <seidos> don't let the emperor here you say it iheartubuntu
[17:25] <iheartubuntu> he has no clothes
[17:27] <seidos> *hear
[17:28] <seidos> he's probably involved in some kind of sith group thing
[17:30] <projectdp> :)
[18:24] <projectdp> what are awesome window managers you guys use?
[18:25] <nhaines> screen!
[18:25] <nhaines> Also metacity.
[18:25] <projectdp> smh
[18:25] <projectdp> tmux is where it's at
[18:25] <projectdp> i approve of metacity though
[18:25] <nhaines> I remember twm fondly.  Nostalgically, anyway.
[18:26] <projectdp> http://dominik.honnef.co/posts/2010/10/why_you_should_try_tmux_instead_of_screen/
[18:27] <projectdp> what about applications?
[18:28] <nhaines> I use byobu for my screen configuration and it is very handy.
[18:28] <pleia2> xfwm (xfce's window manager) and fluxbox
[18:28] <projectdp> interesting i'll look at it
[18:29] <pleia2> fluxbox is kinda minimal, I use it on my lower end laptop and on my second desktop whose only job is to be my network firewall and have a web browser
[18:29] <projectdp> does anyone use headless machines?
[18:29] <pleia2> dozens of them
[18:30] <projectdp> with remote desktop?
[18:30] <projectdp> +gui?
[18:30] <pleia2> no, just ssh
[18:30] <projectdp> ah
[18:30] <pleia2> ssh -X from time to time
[18:30] <pleia2> (but mostly that's just desktop to desktop stuff, no GUI on servers)
[18:30] <projectdp> cool
[18:30] <projectdp> administrator?
[18:31] <pleia2> my job is a linux sysadmin
[18:31] <projectdp> sweet
[18:31] <projectdp> do you have rhce?
[18:31] <pleia2> no, I use debian and ubuntu
[18:31] <projectdp> ah, but isn't that /the/ linux admin cert to have?
[18:32] <pleia2> you don't have to have any (I don't, but I did help write the ubuntu certified professionals course)
[18:32] <projectdp> no one has to have anything
[18:32] <pleia2> it's certainly a popular one though
[18:33] <projectdp> i thought it was a ticket to a fairly significant salary
[18:33] <nhaines> I use headless machines as well.  Just SSH.
[18:33] <pleia2> lol
[18:33] <pleia2> not at all :)
[18:33] <pleia2> some companies look at certs, some are more focused on formal education, some on experience
[18:33] <nhaines> Certifications are largely useless in a wide array of applications.
[18:34] <pleia2> it helps to have some of each, but nothing is a "ticket" - certainly not a cert
[18:34] <nhaines> That's not to say that they aren't worth taking, but they're not a golden ticket!
[18:34] <pleia2> (I lack certs and education, but I make up for it in awesomeness)
[18:34] <pleia2> :D
[18:34] <projectdp> thats ok too
[18:35] <nhaines> I've found that my experience running Ubuntu events and writing has made it really easy to interest new employers.
[18:35] <pleia2> yeah
[18:35] <projectdp> the only problem is that there isn't much of an excuse not to represent your skills
[18:35] <pleia2> certifications and education are expensive and time consuming, and of negligable benefit if you have experience
[18:36] <projectdp> why is it time consuming?
[18:36] <pleia2> (there are some companies who won't hire you without them, but I don't want to work for that kind of place anyway)
[18:36] <seidos> getting experience isn't always that easy, a lot of the time connections are necessary
[18:36] <pleia2> you still have to study
[18:36] <projectdp> so you gain benefit from the skill by studying?
[18:37] <pleia2> you study for the test, if you have experience you are already competent in the real world
[18:38] <projectdp> if you are in the domain for which you are studying you should also be competent in the material to some degree
[18:38] <pleia2> but everyone is different, best thing to do is learn how you learn best and get the education, experience, certs for whatever area you're shooting for (an IT job at a traditional corporation may require certs, something at a silicon valley startup typically won't)
[18:39] <pleia2> pratical application and test taking are very, very different beasts
[18:39] <pleia2> if I forget the exact syntax for fstab when using UUIDs I can do a 3 second google search, can't do that when taking a test
[18:40] <projectdp> many certs have practical elements
[18:40] <projectdp> i mean i'm just seeing if there are any arguments that are decent against certs
[18:41] <projectdp> maybe it is negligible standing next to a contact that can land you a job
[18:41] <pleia2> it really depends on the person and the work you're looking for
[18:41] <projectdp> or when you look at a couple hundred dollars and a few hundred hours of time
[18:42] <projectdp> i think so too
[18:43] <projectdp> so in what ways would you be jockying for a better position now?
[18:44] <projectdp> i'm sure if you've been in the industry you would have a majority of your work represent you
[18:45] <pleia2> personally my public open source work and sysadmin experience is plenty for the next few years
[18:45] <pleia2> I get contacted by recruiters from impressive companies pretty often
[18:45] <projectdp> plenty in terms of things to do?
[18:45] <projectdp> i see
[18:47] <projectdp> brb few more questions in a bit :)
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> im doing the UCP just to familiarize myself better
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> mostly terminal commands and such that i dont know or forget easily
[18:54] <projectdp> ucp?
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> Ubuntu Certified Professional
[18:55] <iheartubuntu> its pretty much the same as LCP - linux cert pro
[18:55] <projectdp> i see
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> its beren renamed and updated since i started. Its not the Ubuntu Professional Training http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> *been
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> now
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> not not
[18:56] <iheartubuntu> gosh im lame lately
[18:57] <iheartubuntu> there is a PDF course overview at the bottom of that link
[18:57] <projectdp> cool
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> "About the Course and Objectives - The Ubuntu Professional is a training course for system administrators who are
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> required to deploy Ubuntu into the office environment."
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> This hands-on course will provide participants with the skills they need to deploy and
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> configure Ubuntu within the office. It introduces participants to the basic skills
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> required of Ubuntu System Administrators.
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Scenario-based exercises guide
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> participants on how to select appropriate solutions and tools for their organisation.
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> After completing this course, participants will be able to:
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Install and configure Ubuntu systems
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Perform routine administration tasks; manage user accounts and file systems,
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> and maintain system security
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Configure network connectivity and key network services
[18:58] <iheartubuntu> Work productively at the Linux command line
[18:59]  * pleia2 takes paste button away from iheartubuntu
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> done :L|)
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> :)
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> frankly, just using ubuntu for 5 or 6 years now i know most of that stuff
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> even if i have to refresh my memory on commands
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> under "Work productively at the Linux command line" it says not to chat in the California IRC channel or you'll get absolutely nothing done
[19:03] <projectdp> haha
[19:06] <projectdp> :o
[19:07] <projectdp> byobu is kinda cool
[19:08] <projectdp> pleia2: no more about certs but how do you get to do linux admin work?
[19:09] <projectdp> i'm just curious because i'm just starting in corporate
[19:09] <pleia2> projectdp: I applied at a small linux shop that was hiring folks for contract work, was eventually hired full time
[19:09] <pleia2> I was involved with the LUG so the owner of the company already knew me
[19:09] <projectdp> cool
[19:10] <projectdp> bay area?
[19:10] <pleia2> nah, philadelphia
[19:10] <projectdp> interesting
[19:10] <pleia2> (I was living there at the time)
[19:10] <akk> projectdp: Sometimes you can get started by doing sysadmin on a volunteer basis for projects, or by lower-paid work adminning machines at a college or science lab.
[19:11] <projectdp> yeah
[19:11] <projectdp> i like server side stuff
[19:11] <pleia2> yeah, my volunteer sysadmining was taken into consideration when I was hired, I put all volunteer work on my resume
[19:13] <projectdp> do you have to deal with windows networks?
[19:13] <akk> I get the impression there are a lot more jobs available if you know Windows than if you're Unix/Linux only.
[19:14] <akk> Though the Unix/Linux only ones are maybe higher status/higher pay (and require more experience).
[19:14] <pleia2> projectdp: depends on what you mean by "windows networks" - a lot of the networks our servers are on have windows systems too, usually an IT department that manages an exchange server or something
[19:14] <pleia2> but we don't touch them, the most we do is help them with network issue debugging
[19:15]  * pleia2 wouldn't know what to do with a Windows machine
[19:15] <projectdp> heh
[19:16] <projectdp> i guess i mean active directory microsoft networks
[19:16] <pleia2> ah, no
[19:18] <projectdp> do you deal with virtualization?
[19:18] <pleia2> yeah, a lot of it
[19:18] <projectdp> xen?
[19:18] <pleia2> we've got a couple old xen systems around, but everything new is kvm
[19:18] <projectdp> ah
[19:19] <projectdp> hardly know anything about that
[19:19] <pleia2> kvm is easy to experiment with even on your desktip if you have virtualized hardware
[19:19] <pleia2> desktop
[19:20] <projectdp> do you know much about performance given certain hardware on xen or kvm?
[19:22] <pleia2> we've only used xen in paravirtualization mode with a hypervisor (hardware doesn't have virtualization, so it's all emulated), kvm is all hardware virtualization, so it's not comparing similar things
[19:22] <pleia2> never done benchmarks though
[19:22] <projectdp> hm
[19:23] <projectdp> i was considering using xen in para with a hypervisor to run various os livecds on alien hard drives simultaneously
[19:23] <projectdp> i was wondering if it would be very feasible or not very
[19:23] <pleia2> with paravirt you need a xen kernel on the guest, so it's difficult
[19:23] <projectdp> but hardware virtualization sounds nicer
[19:24] <pleia2> with hardware virtualization the guest doesn't need to know it's a VM, so you can use regular kernels
[19:25] <projectdp> alright well i haven't dealt much with this, before i started i wanted to get some opinions
[19:25] <projectdp> people have been saying the hardware shouldn't be an issue
[19:25] <projectdp> to scan several disks simultaneously with a couple os'
[19:25] <pleia2> if you have hardware virt I'd strongly suggest kvm+libvirt
[19:25] <pleia2> but an easy way to start out playing with virtualization is using something like virtualbox
[19:26] <projectdp> i don't think that would have the performance would it?
[19:26] <pleia2> no, it would be slow
[19:27] <projectdp> i mean i really would like something that would be a light hypervisor deal that manages the guest os'
[19:27] <pleia2> libvirt kinda fills that role
[19:27] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM is quite good
[19:28] <projectdp> oh great, now i'll be buying some hardware :)
[19:28] <pleia2> heh, yeah, my desktop is an i7 with 8G/RAM
[19:28] <pleia2> I do lots of test stuff on it with kvm virtualization
[19:29] <projectdp> how well does it handle running a few os instances
[19:29] <pleia2> much nicer than having my bedroom filled up with phyisical machines when I want to test a network infrastructure :)
[19:29] <projectdp> ?
[19:29] <pleia2> does fine
[19:29] <projectdp> well like how many
[19:29] <projectdp> and what sort of load
[19:29] <pleia2> I've never really pushed it to the limit
[19:29] <projectdp> what i'd be doing is like defragmenting and doing scans on a bunch of disks
[19:30] <pleia2> I've never run windows vms
[19:30] <projectdp> with just some light livecd os's
[19:30] <pleia2> eep, conference call time
[19:30] <projectdp> thanks pleia2
[19:30] <projectdp> ttyl
[19:33] <nhaines> projectdp: you're going to be defragmenting and scanning multiple disks from CD-based virtual machines on the same host?
[19:33] <projectdp> well they will be basically livecd iso's
[19:33] <projectdp> yes
[19:35] <nhaines> Any reason not to use an installed OS to run the utilities on the drives?
[19:35] <projectdp> yes
[19:35] <projectdp> it takes up an entire computer to scan one disk
[19:35] <projectdp> i have to do scanning serially
[19:35] <projectdp> it sucks.
[19:35] <projectdp> and if i do other things in the mean time
[19:36] <projectdp> i don't see stupid messages like "click ok to copy this file to backup" or something
[19:36] <projectdp> wasting like 10 mins to a few hours
[19:36] <projectdp> if i leave it over night or lunch
[19:37] <projectdp> and i'm pretty sure it's not cpu intensive activity
[19:37] <projectdp> and even if it was i think todays computers would do ok.
[19:39] <projectdp> and now that i look at it, kvm was already suggested to me casually heh
[19:39] <nhaines> So you're going to take a I/O-intensive operation, add a hypervisor, load multiple virtual machines, and run everything across the same system bus in parallel, with the expectation that this will make things faster?
[19:40] <projectdp> i have no idea, thats why i was asking about feasibility on hardware
[19:40] <projectdp> given the virtualization constraint
[19:41] <nhaines> Why not just run the utility in parallel on the host OS?
[19:41] <projectdp> because it's not one utility
[19:42] <nhaines> Why not run the suite of utilities in parallel on the host OS?
[19:42] <projectdp> ok, how?
[19:43] <nhaines> Generally, you invoke each program seperately, once for each disk.
[19:44] <projectdp> well here's the issue
[19:44] <projectdp> the software is generally a bundled antivirus suite
[19:44] <projectdp> i have about 10-15 of these
[19:44] <projectdp> most of them are iso's
[19:45] <projectdp> now i could go about figuring how to strip them from their bundle, and figure out how to update them for each
[19:45] <projectdp> but that would suck
[19:45] <projectdp> i mean for some things yeah i could run multiple instances
[19:46] <projectdp> backing the disks up
[19:48] <projectdp> imaging and the sort
[19:49] <nhaines> That sounds like it'd take a lot of scripting.  I'm not sure it'd be easy to do with multiple disks in parallel though.
[19:50] <nhaines> It shouldn't be terribly hard, just annoying to get set up initially.
[19:50] <projectdp> you mean about the iso utilities?
[19:51] <nhaines> Yes, to set up a script to instantiate a virtual machine that boots each ISO in turn.
[19:51] <projectdp> oh yeah thats not a problem
[19:52] <nhaines> You can't access the same disk simultaneously with different VMs.  (You *can* but you shouldn't.)
[19:52] <projectdp> no i'm not interested in that
[19:53] <projectdp> one os per disk at a time
[19:54] <nhaines> That's good to hear.  :)
[19:54] <projectdp> what kind of system do you think it would take to handle something like that?
[19:55] <projectdp> i was thinking maybe if i had a separate disk controller that it would offload a bunch of the io requests
[20:07] <nhaines> It still all has to go over the system bus I believe.
[20:08] <nhaines> I'd probably get a script going and benchmark it, then try it with two simultaneously.
[20:10] <projectdp> i guess there's only one way to find out :)
[20:10] <projectdp> i may just make the plunge anyway
[20:13] <projectdp> i haven't had a server or a desktop of my own for quite a while
[20:13] <projectdp> my last desktop was a p3 500mhz
[20:14] <nhaines> They're slow but they'll run Ubuntu 5.04 without a fight.
[20:14] <projectdp> hah hardly slow
[20:14] <projectdp> i ran netbsd
[20:14] <projectdp> it flew
[20:15] <projectdp> i also had rambus memory
[20:15] <projectdp> heh
[20:15] <projectdp> rdram
[20:41] <nhaines> I avoided rdram.  :)


[01:02] <max_harmony> I asked last night, but no one seemed to be here, so I'll ask again
[01:02] <max_harmony> Where is the list of all launchpad teams?
[01:05] <LarstiQ> launchpad.net/people/ ?
[01:08] <max_harmony> there's a link to it from there, but since this is logged I should probably note that it's launchpad.net/people/+teamlist
[05:53] <ranf> hi
[05:54] <ranf> I'm trying to get familiar with bzr. Is it ok to just register a project on LP for my testing mini project?
[05:58] <ranf> Oh gotta read that first: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/lpbazaar
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, it's not easy to get rid of things in Launchpad
[06:00] <LaserJock> in fact, most things in launchpad can't be deleted
[06:01] <ranf> I've put it to +junk. Is that ok?
[06:02] <LaserJock> I think so
[06:02] <ranf> phew
[06:02] <LaserJock> I think that's the LP equivalent of removing
[06:15] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[06:23] <LaserJock> hola ajmitch
[12:32] <kgoetz> hi all. i'm looking at lp.net/distros/ubuntu and i cant find a list of supported architectures. is the " Architectures for Gutsy" as close as it gets?
[12:32] <kgoetz> i was hoping for an 'offical/unoffical' split in the list
[12:35] <harrisony> kgoetz: there is a page on the ubuntu wiki and on the ubuntu homepage
[12:41] <kgoetz> hm. wiki page = out of date (badly), i cant find where on the homepage it meantions architectures though
[12:41] <Hobbsee> the ones on releases.ubuntu.com and ports.ubuntu.com marks the spli
[12:41] <Hobbsee> t
[12:43] <kgoetz> convoluted, but suppose i found it. thanks h*
[12:44] <Fujitsu> I'm sure they're marked as official or otherwise on LP...
[12:46] <kgoetz> Fujitsu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu this page or clicking through to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/hppa doesnt make it clear if/whats supported
[12:47] <Fujitsu> Look at launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[12:47] <Fujitsu> kgoetz: ^^
[12:48] <kgoetz> ah, thanks. that seems to work
[01:32] <totalwormage> hello, can i somehow list the things i reported launchpad?
[02:08] <pochu> totalwormage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~your_profile/+reportedbugs
[02:19] <harrisony> https://bugs.launchpad.net/+me/+reportedbugs also works i think
[03:01] <totalwormage> thanks guys :]
[04:46] <sacater> why is beta so laggy :(, its not like there are many users :P
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #110794 in rosetta "Lack of a fuzzy matching or match propagation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110794
[05:18] <persia> Hello.  I'm working on a patch for mass-bug that would use the Malone email interface, rather than posting to the Debian BTS.  Is there a test launchpad I could use to create test bugs to make sure the program does the right thing?  I don't really want to flood launchpad.net.
[05:41] <persia> Hi.  Does staging.launchpad.net generate bugmail to anyone?  I'd like to test a patch to mass-bug, but don't want to spam anyone.
[05:49] <sabdfl> i dont believe it does, persia
[05:49] <persia> sabdfl: Thanks.
[07:25] <kiko> persia, it definitely does not.
[07:26] <persia> kiko: Thanks.  I've not had any success with testing my script: does it respond to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:32] <kiko> new@ adds new bugs
[07:32] <kiko> bugid allows modification
[07:33] <persia> kiko: Hrm.  I'll try some more.  Thanks.
[07:38] <kiko> it should work at least
[07:40] <persia> kiko: Does one need to be a member of a specific team?  I've sent a few gpg-signed messages to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with "  affects ubuntu/vegastrike" in them, but https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vegastrike/+bugs hasn't been updated.
[08:07] <kiko> persia, no, you don't. that's strange.
[08:07] <kiko> do you have a valid bug to test with on production?
[08:08] <pochu> persia: is your email address registered in staging?
[08:09] <persia> kiko: Not really.  I have a couple pending merges, and can run once, claiming the merges, but then I'm out of bugs.
[08:09] <persia> kiko: I think so.  I'm logged into staging, and can see all my details.
[08:09] <kiko> persia, and your GPG key registered too?
[08:10] <persia> kiko: Yes.  Note that I'm only pretending to use my email address.  My envelope sender is different.  Is this likely to be an issue?
[08:10] <kiko> it shouldn't be, we use the from address.
[08:11] <persia> kiko: The "From foo@bar" header, or the "From: User <foo@bar>" header?
[08:11] <kiko> the From: header, not the envelope sender. :)
[08:12] <persia> kiko: I don't understand then.  I sent one actual (non GPG-signed) message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and haven't seen that either.
[08:12] <kiko> persia, could be that the mail processor on staging is bustage
[08:12] <kiko> which is why I suggested filing a bug on production just to make sure.
[08:12] <persia> That has both envelope & content headers set correctly.
[08:13] <persia> kiko: OK.  I'll file on production.
[08:21] <persia> kiko: I found the issue.  The Launchpad SMTP daemon is rejecting my mail because it doesn't like the envelope sender, and not passing it to the processing scripts.  Somehow this doesn't happen when sending mail to myself.  I'm still not sure about the valid mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but perhaps that is a different issue.
[08:22] <kiko> hmmm
[08:22] <kiko> perhaps that is the issue
[08:22] <kiko> why doesn't it like the envelope sender..
[08:22] <kiko> oh, foo@bar is not good :)
[08:24] <dqdev> hello everyone! I was thinking that it would be nice in lauchpad a feature such as PM (private messages in forums). SO I could contact a MOTU for example without havong to catch him in the IRC chanel or knowing his mail
[08:24] <persia> kiko: Well, it's not foo@bar, but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>isn't much better :).  Thanks for your help anyway.  I'll test my valid bug on production, and once that is working, then go back to staging for real mass-filing testing.
[08:25] <kiko> no problem
[08:28] <persia> kiko: Just for reference, looking at my mailspool more carefully, it appears that production is complaining about the envelope, and staging is timing out trying to contact the SMTP server (at <IP_ADDRESS>).
[09:22] <jan_s> #sfd
[09:59] <mdke> dqdev: but his mail is written on his homepage, do you really need another way to contact him?
[10:09] <ryanakca> works, thanks :)
[10:09] <ryanakca> oops, wrong chan :)
[10:19] <rappo> http://digg.com/software/Statisfy_net_Real_time_Google_Maps_and_Site_Statistics_Mashup


[16:03] <seb128> DMB meeting?
[16:04] <bdmurray> o/
[16:06] <rbasak> Sorry I'm late
[16:08] <seb128> so from the previous meeting Utkarsh was supposed to chair and bdmurray be backup
[16:08] <bdmurray> I don't see any applications for today so given the lack of quorum.
[16:08] <seb128> neither were there and kanashiro ended up chairing
[16:09] <seb128> bdmurray, should we just skip?
[16:09] <rbasak> Is there anything outstanding from the ML or anywhere else that needs addressing?
[16:09]  * kanashiro waves
[16:09] <bdmurray> Yeah, sorry also in another meeting
[16:10] <rbasak> "Mailing list only appliations for Contributing Developer"
[16:10] <seb128> there was some reply via email on the list but we could get some more
[16:10] <seb128> sorry i'm also distracted by non computer tasks
[16:11] <rbasak> Let me reply to the ML thread to prompt people to reply there.
[16:11] <rbasak> (done)
[16:12] <teward> i'm late sorry
[16:12] <teward> dealing with "WTF Internet" problems today due to construction crews messing with things
[16:13] <teward> but i guess there's nothing for the meeting so
[16:14] <seb128> doesn't seem so, outside of some members who need to reply on the list about the topic mentioned ^
[21:18] <Guest43> HELLO


[00:14] <bryce> heh, someone is happy with the patch posted to #206287
[00:14] <bryce> tjaalton: that patch fixes mesa's libgl1-mesa-glx, not sure if that's the same that you were looking at earlier
[00:19] <tjaalton> bryce: ah that one, nice to see it fixed
[00:20] <tjaalton> ..upstream
[00:20] <bryce> yup
[00:32] <jcristau> the actual fix is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/diff/?h=mesa_7_0_branch&id=1e83d70b6d07c7d3c61ee0ddf0de9420c167175d
[00:33] <jcristau> i mean, the one that was committed upstream
[00:34] <bryce> heh, I love 1 char fixes
[00:41] <tjaalton> yawn.. bedtime, night!
[00:57] <ubotu> New bug: #212018 in xorg (main) "X selects wrong modeline for LG Flatron L222WS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212018
[01:07] <ubotu> New bug: #211954 in xorg (main) "Incomplete desktop in GNOME (hardy) after boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211954
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #212073 in xorg (main) "Touchscreen stops functioning correctly in Xorg if the device is removed/reinserted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212073
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #212079 in xorg-server (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV in FlushClient()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212079
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #212108 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "man page out of date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212108
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #139391 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] ath_pci not running well w/ 11g" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139391
[09:54] <bryce> just got the number of -intel bugs down to 100.
[10:11] <dennda> ping bryce
[10:12] <bryce> yep (about to go to bed tho)
[10:13] <dennda> oh
[10:13] <dennda> where do you live?
[10:15] <bryce> oregon
[10:15] <bryce> ok bedtime.  ttyl
[10:16] <dennda> ok
[10:16] <dennda> good night
[10:44] <dennda> bryce: I just got an intel-driver-update
[10:44] <dennda> I cannot adjust my displays brightness since
[10:47] <dennda> ok now it works magically
[10:47] <dennda> I need to investigate that further
[10:47] <tjaalton> fixed by the new kernel
[10:48] <dennda> hm?
[10:49]  * dennda boots once again
[10:49] <dennda> gnome had some startup problems, maybe that was the cause
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #212163 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Need a Pipe-A quirk for Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device [104d:81e6]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212163
[10:51] <dennda> hm no
[10:51] <dennda> same effect
[10:52] <dennda> my brightness-adjustment-applet for the panel shows this read exclamation mark and I can't adjust the brightness
[10:52] <dennda> (the gnome-systray-things are not loaded. power-manager and network-manager don't show up. I started nm-applet by hand.)
[10:53] <dennda> last session they came up at some point and since then, adjusting the brightness worked
[10:53] <dennda> ah
[10:53] <dennda> q.e.d.
[10:53] <dennda> happened again
[10:53] <dennda> odd
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: did I pick the right LP user to add you to the sync request for -geode ?
[11:48] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: don't know.. which bug #?
[12:02] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: bug #211385
[12:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211385 in xserver-xorg-video-amd "please sync xserver-xorg-video-geode (main) from Debian (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211385
[12:07] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: replied
[12:11] <Q-FUNK> thanks!
[12:11] <Q-FUNK> the main difficulty, though, is that this is currently sitting in NEW at Debian
[12:13] <tjaalton> nothing special tehre
[12:13] <tjaalton> there
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> ture, but it delays importing on time for hardy
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> true
[12:17] <tjaalton> packages can be synced from NEW afaik
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> ah, in that case, we're in business :)
[12:42] <ubotu> New bug: #212206 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[Hardy] digital output driver (SDVO) sets wrong resolution on GM965" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212206
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #212341 in xorg (main) "Many graphics glitches while using the screensaver settings dialog with desktop effects enabled." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212341
[19:14] <dennda> bryce: tell me when you got up
[20:17] <bryce> I'm up
[20:23] <dennda> ah cool
[20:23] <dennda> hilighting me is always a good idea
[20:24] <dennda> bryce: what was that link again?
[20:27] <bryce> not sure
[20:30] <dennda> got it
[20:32] <dennda> bryce: so you want me to enable those stacktraces and then rotate my external screen and do some stuff until it crashes?
[20:37] <bryce> yup
[20:38] <bryce> (pardon I don't recall the bug number - been looking at a lot of bugs lately)
[20:38] <dennda> ok
[20:38] <dennda> will come up with them tomorrow or so
[20:38] <dennda> how do you prefer to get them? email? paste? bugreport?
[20:38] <bryce> bug report
[20:39] <dennda> ok
[20:39] <bryce> upload as attachments (not inline)
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #212510 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[gutsy] [hardy]No signal with Samsung SyncMaster 750s" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212510


[12:58] <lapo> hi
[01:13] <nomed> hi lapo
[01:13] <nomed> bad news ...
[01:14] <nomed> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2006-April/000918.html <--
[01:14] <nomed> anyway i haven't strong objections ...
[01:14] <nomed> but i 's love to see that logo as xubuntu logo ..
[01:14] <nomed> i like it more day by day ..
[01:16] <nomed> http://www.dsslive.org/xubuntu/tmp/artworks/html/logos.html <--
[01:16] <nomed> it looks the one that fit better with the others ..
[01:17] <lapo> no probs, if the xubuntu guys likes it good, if not, well
[01:19] <nomed> lapo, at least one likes it ...
[01:19] <nomed> but it's not enough ..
[01:19] <nomed> the mouse seems a must ..
[01:38] <lapo> is there a foot in the ubuntu logo?
[01:38] <lapo> anyway, if you like you can use it, if not, not a problem
[01:47] <nomed> lapo, that's exactly my point of view ..
[01:48] <nomed> i mean ... the DM logo shouldn't be included in the distro logo ..
[09:33] <delire> where would be a useful place to make some comments on the look'n'feel of Flight 6? i'd rather not be registering 'bugs' as such because they don't fit that criteria.


[01:03] <mpt_> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:03] <mpt_> It's a lovely morning, but there's nowhere to park the car
[02:45] <mpt> Ok, now there's a hailstorm
[04:57] <mpt> ugh
[06:32] <abentley-gaim> I've uploaded my SSH (DSA) public key to launchpad, but I still can't sftp to bazaar.launchpad.net.  I get "Permission denied (publickey)"
[06:33] <spiv> abentley-gaim: using your launchpad username?
[06:34] <abentley-gaim> Ah, maybe not.
[06:34] <spiv> abentley-gaim: there's no delay between uploading your key and the sftp server using that key.
[06:34] <jamesh> abentley-gaim: you can configure your ~/.ssh/config file to automatically use your LP user name
[06:35] <jamesh> abentley-gaim: add a stanza like "Host bazaar.launchpad.net\nUser aaron-bentley"
[06:35] <spiv> abentley-gaim: I suppose I *could* make the sftp server try every single key in launchpad ;)
[06:35] <abentley-gaim> Okay, great.  I'd almost forgotten ssh used usernames, because they're always the same.
[06:35] <jamesh> spiv: but what if two people are using the same key? :)]
[06:36] <spiv> jamesh: give the user access to both home directories, obviously ;)
[06:36] <jamesh> you could try changing your LP username to match your local user name (assuming it hasn't been taken)
[06:37] <jamesh> spiv: I suppose we could do the same for logging into the website
[06:37] <jamesh> so people don't need to remember their email address
[06:37] <abentley-gaim> jamesh: thanks for the config file tip.
[06:37] <jamesh> abentley-gaim: I also use the config file to pick different ssh keys for different sets of hosts (quite useful)
[06:39] <abentley-gaim> I think my all-time favourite was how auffield used it to force a particular umask for Arch uploads.
[06:42] <abentley-gaim> Thanks, guys.  I'm out.
[07:42] <stub> spiv: Before the disabled flag on Person lands, we also need to update the ValidPersonOrTeamCache materialized view to know about the new field. Punt a branch over to me and I'll handle it (unless you feel like playing with PostgreSQL triggers)
[07:43] <spiv> stub: Ah, right.  I'll finish up my work on that branch tonight and then punt it to you.
[07:44] <spiv> stub: Hmm.
[07:44] <spiv> stub: Should the authserver be using that cache to check that user is valid, rather than replicating the checks itself?
[08:08] <stub> spiv: I think that would be best - centralize the logic in one place. There is a Person.is_valid method that does it this way, or just join on the table.
[08:44] <SteveA> good morning
[08:49] <SteveA> mpt: ping
[08:49] <mpt> SteveA, pong
[11:32] <carlos> stub: hi, do you know if there is any problem with staging?
[11:33] <stub> carlos: I think it is down - mandatory config items changes landed without changes being made to staging/launchpad.conf
[11:33] <carlos> stub: the database is also broken
[11:33] <carlos> launchpad_staging=> SELECT * from distribution;
[11:33] <carlos> ERROR:  permission denied for relation distribution
[11:34] <stub> Yer. If the code rollout fails it is stuffed, as we need to run code to complete the restoration.
[11:34] <stub> I assume this is a round about way of asking me to fix it? :)
[11:36] <carlos> stub: pretty please....
[11:36] <carlos> :-P
[11:41] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[11:42] <LarstiQ> hallo Yannig
[12:13] <stub> carlos: Hmm... failing on the rosetta db patch. Would that be because the data migration script needs to be run first?
[12:14] <stub> failed attempting to make POSubmission(potranslation, pomsgset, pluralform) UNIQUE
[12:16] <Keybuk> the bigger the "Build Score", is it more or less likely to get built?
[12:17] <Keybuk> so...
[12:17] <Keybuk> the higher the "build score", is it more or less likely to be built?
[12:18] <Kinnison> erm, more
[12:18] <Kinnison> IIRC
[12:26] <stub> carlos: Up except for that patch, which will likely break some stuff. Let me know re: data migration.
[12:26] <Keybuk> yes, that worked
[12:26] <Keybuk> Kinnison: thanks
[12:27] <Kinnison> Keybuk: y'welcome
[12:27] <Keybuk> we now have tzdata for edgy
[12:27] <Kinnison> yay
[12:27] <Kinnison> Anyone would think you actually wanted a working distribution
[12:27] <Kinnison> You slacker
[12:27] <sladen> how do I get the audit trail on a support-request to see what it was previously:  https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/1085
[12:27] <Keybuk> we still need to sync the locales from Debian for the glibc ABI change
[12:27] <Keybuk> meh
[03:23] <SteveA> carlos: ping
[03:36] <MrE-n-sweet> hello
[03:38] <MrE-n-sweet> hmmm guess not
[03:41] <SteveA> MrElf1961: lots of people are awake.   many are at the ubuntu summit in paris.
[03:42] <MrElf1961> ah, ok, SteveA. thanks
[04:26] <SteveA> matsubara:
[04:26] <matsubara> SteveA: I'll call him
[04:29] <matsubara> SteveA: he's calling
[04:55] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
[04:55] <SteveA> lifeless:
[05:29] <claude> matsubara: thanks for your mail about #1020
[05:30] <claude> but i'm still stuck :(
[05:30] <claude> i cannot see my old key
[05:30] <claude> and when I try to import it again, i see:
[05:31] <claude> OpenPGP key F24EB7813A533EC055E191D89566ACA516946297 already imported
[05:31] <matsubara> Hi claude
[05:32] <claude> would you be able to delete it from launchpad?
[05:32] <claude> so I may be able to reimport it again?
[05:33] <matsubara> claude: I can't delete it myself, but I can ask an admin to do it.
[05:33] <Kinnison> That key is registered to the launchpad user 'paroz'
[05:34] <claude> yes, but in the meantime, it has expired
[05:34] <claude> i i extended the validity on the key server
[05:34] <Kinnison> So you want to reactivate it
[05:34] <Kinnison> I see
[05:34] <matsubara> claude: do you still see the message  'The key 16946297 cannot be validated because it has expired.' when you try to revalidate it?
[05:34] <Kinnison> That's an interesting situation
[05:35] <Kinnison> matsubara: who was it who wrote the UI for the gpgkey stuff?
[05:35] <Kinnison> matsubara: I think it may have been cprov
[05:35] <claude> matsubara: no, because i even don't get to activation screen
[05:36] <claude> the key don't appear on the "Details" screen
[05:36] <matsubara> Kinnison: I'm not sure. I thought it was jamesh
[05:36] <Kinnison> matsubara: Hmm, might have been
[05:36] <Kinnison> claude: Right, I am looking now
[05:36] <claude> good :-)
[05:38] <Kinnison> Okay, so this is a UI workflow bug
[05:38] <Kinnison> It should be possible to reactivate a deactivated key
[05:38] <Kinnison> I don't seem to have access to do that for you
[05:38] <Kinnison> Can you please email launchpad-users with the details of the key and ask for it to be reactivated?
[05:39] <claude> ok, i'll do it
[05:40] <matsubara> Kinnison: there's already a open support request on the issue.
[05:40] <Kinnison> matsubara: link it to bug 50578 then
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50578 in launchpad "Unable to reactivate a gpg key" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50578
[05:44] <matsubara> Kinnison: the workflow you described it's already possible with the current code.
[05:45] <Kinnison> matsubara: right, so it just needs the UI changing to allow it
[05:47] <matsubara> Kinnison: I mean, it's already possible in the UI. At least using sample data I was able to deactivate foo.bar key and revalidate it and receive a token email
[05:47] <Kinnison> matsubara: odd, then what is stopping claude doing the same?
[05:47] <claude> maybe it was because mine had expired
[05:48] <matsubara> I thought it could be related  to bug 3052
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3052 in launchpad "GPG upload of newly-changed key fails because we cache the old key" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3052
[05:48] <matsubara> but you can see what we already tried here: https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+ticket/1020
[05:48] <matsubara> Kinnison: ^^
[05:48] <cprov> matsubara: key caching was kind of sorted entirely by new jamesh gpg backend
[05:51] <matsubara> cprov: Why is #3052 still open? When the james' gpg backend landed?
[05:52] <matsubara> claude: so, when you visit the launchpad.net/people/paroz/+editpgpkeys there's no option to revalidate key16946297?
[06:06] <cprov> matsubara: because we suck, basically. Could you request info on that, from requester and from james ?
[06:53] <bradb> stub: ping?
[06:53] <stub> bradb: pong
[07:26] <carlos> stub: the answer to your question about the migration script, yes, we need to execute data migration before the db patch can be executed
[07:26] <carlos> stub: the db patch adds a unique restriction
[07:26] <carlos> hmm
[07:26] <carlos> I see that you already fixed it :-P
[07:26] <carlos> stub: thanks
[07:27] <stub> carlos: Ta. Just wanted to confirm. I'll run it on production tomorrow morning, which should keep staging happy
[07:27] <stub> (staging is currently running without that db patch applied)
[07:27] <carlos> stub: unless someone does some translations with suggestion approvals....
[07:27] <carlos> which will produce duplicate entries again
[07:28] <carlos> the branch includes code changes to prevent those code duplicates
[07:28] <carlos> s/code/rows/
[07:28] <carlos> s/code duplicates/rows duplicates/
[07:29] <carlos> dinner time
[07:29] <carlos> see you later
[08:29] <kiko> matsubara, what is this lookuperrror when viewing the bug?
[08:30] <matsubara> kiko: I'm not sure yet. seems related to the importance_widget. the bug is currently assigned to brad.
[08:30] <matsubara> kiko: bug 49899
[08:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49899 in malone "Lookup error on bug page" [High,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49899
[08:34] <kiko> matsubara, brad's in paris, perhaps you could look it up?
[08:38] <matsubara> kiko: I think he's already working on it. He changed the status to in progress yesterday
[08:38] <kiko> mmm ok.
[08:39] <kiko> and the inTeam() one?
[08:41] <matsubara> kiko: bradb already fix committed it.
[08:42] <kiko> ah cool
[09:08] <jordi> kiko!
[09:08] <kiko> hello lil jordi
[09:12] <SteveA> kiko: it's a goddamn rollback!
[09:12] <kiko> yeah
[09:13] <kiko> I'm writing up a comment
[09:15] <kiko> SteveA, were rollbacks not being logged before, then?
[09:15] <kiko> hmmm
[09:15] <SteveA> it was something stu added after he and i discussed the issue on voip
[09:15] <SteveA> we guessed that the problem was due to either
[09:15] <SteveA> 1. spurious rollbacks
[09:16] <SteveA> 2. more than one connection
[09:16] <SteveA> so, the logging code was specifically designed to find out if it was one of those possibilities, or something else
[09:16] <SteveA> i'm glad it is one of those, otherwise we'd have a serious mystery
[09:16] <kiko> thanks for the rationale
[09:17] <SteveA> making a stack trace on a ROLLBACK, and logging that, will be easy
[09:17] <SteveA> there are actually 2 rollbacks in that oops report
[09:17] <SteveA> it is strange
[09:17] <jordi> SteveA: I will need help from you guys to answer this licensing stuff
[09:17] <SteveA> jordi: have you been asked a direct question about it?
[09:18] <jordi> I think MJR did
[09:18] <jordi> I'll have to check tomoorow
[09:18] <kiko> SteveA, there are 4 rollbacks in that report.
[09:18] <jordi> I need to go run now
[09:18] <SteveA> kiko: 5
[09:18] <SteveA> two in the body, three at the end
[09:18] <kiko> who in the body where?
[09:18] <SteveA> just search in the page for ROLLBACK
[09:19] <SteveA> you'll see them
[09:19] <kiko> the first one is a dupe
[09:19] <kiko> it's in the repeated sql statements section.
[09:19] <SteveA> oh, okay
[09:19] <kiko> it even says "reps 4" :)
[09:19] <SteveA> shit
[09:19] <SteveA> there it is
[09:20] <SteveA> if there are any widgets errors, using an editform
[09:20] <SteveA> we get a transaction.abort()
[09:20] <SteveA> see lib/zope/app/form/browser/editview.py
[09:20] <kiko> who does that?
[09:20] <kiko> sheesh.
[09:20] <kiko> these people are crazy
[09:21] <kiko> so we don't do validation before starting to change the database, SteveA?
[09:21] <SteveA> i don't understand what you're saying
[09:22] <kiko> well, what's a widget error?
[09:22] <SteveA> i'm speculating that in the overriding of the edit view code
[09:22] <SteveA> or some similar code
[09:22] <SteveA> our translation form edit view makes some changes
[09:22] <SteveA> then hits a codepath in the overridden code that causes a transaction.abort() to be called
[09:23] <SteveA> there is a transaction.abort() in both lib/zope/app/form/browser/formview.py and lib/zope/app/form/browser/editview.py
[09:23] <SteveA> it is likely that one of these is to blame
[09:25] <SteveA> i think i'm wrong though
[09:25] <SteveA> the +translate page doesn't appear to use zope forms at all
[09:26] <SteveA> generalform does an abort
[09:26] <SteveA> so we must watch out for that
[09:27] <SteveA> if anything, it should be dooming the transaction rather than aborting as such
[09:29] <SteveA> so... this is a clear problem with implicitly starting a new transaction after an abort
[09:39] <kiko> okay
[09:39] <kiko> incoming email processing also calls abort()
[09:40] <kiko> and so does SQLObjectEditView
[09:45] <tortho> Hi, is there any rosetta experts here, wich know if there is possible to get the dictionary wich is used to make the suggestions for translations.... (in text/db format of some kind..)
[09:49] <kiko> tortho, AFAIK the suggestions come from submissions from other versions or instances of the translation.
[09:49] <kiko> the database is not downloadable
[09:50] <tortho> that was what i was looking for.. there is a dictionary project upcomming, and that would be a great plece to keep the translation the same... (To get all the words, and submit them for proofreading...)
[09:52] <kiko> oh!
[09:52] <kiko> that's something different
[09:53] <tortho> :-) yes, and then it would be nice to have those as a starting point... it would benefit both the translation project, and ubuntu in giving more precisely translations..
[09:54] <tortho> so, if ii understand correct, there is no way it is possible to extract those translations? (the one word ones..)
[09:55] <kiko> no, but that is a planned feature.
[09:58] <tortho> okay, thanks, I'll try again in a while :-)
[10:06] <mpt> ... Gooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:06] <mpt> It's a horribly icy morning, stay inside
[11:48] <mungewell> Hi all.  What status should I set a bug to if the behaviour is noted as 'usual' (for particular circumstances) and won't be fixed?
[11:48] <mpt> mungewell, "Rejected"
[11:48] <mungewell> Thanks.
[11:48] <mpt> Eventually we'll split that into "Not a Bug" and "Not For Us"


[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[14:12] <Beastcloud> yayyyy I was able to make this hang out!
[14:16] <omast90> hi every guys
[14:17] <Beastcloud> Do you feel like the phone endeavor is taking away from other Ubuntu schemes that are far more integral to the growth of Ubuntu?
[14:19] <omast90> when and how is made the idea of ubuntu?
[14:55]  * pitti waves
[15:00] <balloons> questions ready? :-)
[15:01] <RuudschMaHinda> I so hope this is the right channel to the YT-live-stream..
[15:01] <dholbach> yes
[15:01] <dholbach> ask all the questions you have
[15:01] <balloons> RuudschMaHinda, you are in the right place
[15:01] <RuudschMaHinda> YAY
[15:01] <dholbach> and make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[15:02]  * balloons waves to everyone
[15:03] <balloons> feel free to ask questions, simply prefix with QUESTION:
[15:04] <ptidav38090> what is a situation in france?
[15:04] <dholbach> ptidav38090, which situation in France?
[15:05] <ptidav38090> for ubuntu user
[15:05] <Arron> QUESTION will i be able to run ubuntu on a galaxy note 2?
[15:05] <dholbach> ptidav38090, in which sense? to get ubuntu on a machine preinstalled?
[15:05] <mhall119> ptidav38090: please start questions with QUESTION, otherwise we might miss it
[15:05] <dholbach> ptidav38090, or the local team in France?
[15:06] <dholbach> ptidav38090, if it's the team you're talking about, you could take a look at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr/ and the links posted on there
[15:07] <ptidav38090> it have a french community, i know
[15:07] <dholbach> yes :)
[15:07] <ptidav38090> so how many user in france however other country
[15:08] <bogdan> https://errors.ubuntu.com/ Is Ubuntu 14.04 almost already?. It;s stable enough?
[15:10] <mhall119> if anybody has questions for martin about QA or systemd, ask them here now
[15:11] <sina_> what is the future of the "ubuntu for android" project? Is it going to be discontinued ?
[15:12] <Stangier> QUESTION: why Ubuntu causes so many problems on Hp Pavilion dv6 laptops ?
[15:12] <mhall119> Stangier: we'll need more information than that to help you, what kinds of problems?
[15:12] <Stangier> battery life, overheating for example
[15:13] <mhall119> Stangier: my give had one of those running windows, it overheated all the time too, so it might just be the hardware
[15:13] <mhall119> my wife, not give
[15:14] <ptidav38090> i build computer with ubuntu
[15:14] <balloons> Stangier, strangely enough I too had a friend with one running windows, and anecdotally they still have tons of trouble with it overheating. They bought a laptop cooler
[15:14] <Stangier> i've got Windows 7/Kubuntu 12 dualboot and when i use windows it doesn't overheat so it's definitely a software problem
[15:15] <dholbach> and please prefix your questions with  QUESTION:
[15:15] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:15] <sina_> QUESTION what is the future of the "ubuntu for android" project? Is it going to be discontinued ?
[15:16] <dholbach> sina_, yes, your question has been noted
[15:18] <Arron> QUESTION what version of android is ubuntu touch based on?
[15:19] <RuudschMaHinda> Arron: none, it's its own "distribution" --> pure linux.. :)
[15:20] <exuser> QUESTİON:  How much of their time do developers allocate to solve hardware support issues?  I know that manufacturers don't provide drivers for Ubuntu and it must be really challenging, but as a end-user I find it very disappointing to have a 5 year old laptop that is still as incompatible with Linux as it was 5 years ago.
[15:20] <mhall119> RuudschMaHinda: that's not entirely accurate, we run a bit of Android in a container to interact with Android hardware
[15:20] <RuudschMaHinda> mhall119: I see.. thx
[15:23] <pitti> exuser: there aren't fixed "time slots" really; we have a whole team in Canonical which deals with hardware enablement, but that's of course only for certified hw, i. e. if some company pays for that work
[15:23] <pitti> exuser: otherwise it's by and large an issue of raising enough interest with some developer to fix it :)
[15:24] <RuudschMaHinda> QUESTION: how will docker influence future app-installations?
[15:25] <Gavin__> QUESTION: Will the software center ever get a new UI ?
[15:27] <henke> QUESTION: What is this CI Train and CI Airline stuff I keep hearing about?
[15:28] <balloons> henke, we where just covering that in the video -- did you see it?
[15:28] <henke> sorry just joined
[15:28] <balloons> henke, no worries :-)
[15:28] <henke> never mind then, I'll rewatch it
[15:29] <sina_> QUESTION ,why linux is more successful in smartphones rather than laptops or pc's ?
[15:29] <exuser> pitti, I understand thanks for the answer.
[15:31] <henke> QUESTION A phone related Q: how is RTM for phones going, will you make it? :) Is it feature freezed? Whats the deadline you are working against
[15:34] <Arron> QUESTION will you support any more devices like cyanogenmod does ?
[15:36] <smt566> hi how we can build a good app store u know usefull applications, nice icons and others all in one in the store no need a website or ppa
[15:36] <mhall119> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[15:37] <ptidav38090> same meteo
[15:39] <exuser> Thanks so much for the answer, sir.
[15:39] <ptidav38090> more easy
[15:40] <ptidav38090> same appstore of mac
[15:40] <larnada> hi,
[15:41] <larnada> why ubuntu show high temperature processeur
[15:41] <arthur_> QUESTION: what are the formal requirements for something like Ubuntu MATE to become an official spin?
[15:41] <dholbach> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22263/how-code-contributions-make-it-into-ubuntu/
[15:41] <dholbach> ^ CI TRAIN AWESOMENESS
[15:42] <henke> great thanks :)
[15:42] <balloons> yw henke :-)
[15:42] <henke> an hour of bliss :)
[15:42] <popey> arthur_: thats a long way off ☻
[15:42] <ptidav38090> no all working in because is obsolete
[15:43] <balloons> feel free to ping me with questions; I can answer or help connect you with the folks working on this henke
[15:43] <arthur_> thanks popey
[15:44] <hamslaai> how much does it cost to publish an app for phones?
[15:44] <ptidav38090> for smartphone too
[15:45] <ptidav38090> i don't know what is miss
[15:45] <ptidav38090> :)
[15:46] <mhall119> hamslaai: ask with "QUESTION" at the beginning
[15:46] <hamslaai> thx
[15:46] <Spartacurse> QUESTION: Whenever I google around Ubuntu Phone topics the results localization tells me "This is cool in india, two villages in south america and 14 russian guys dig this" - Why is Ubuntu Phone not so mainstream? I mean I'd love to see more about this in Sweden, but it's basically the most in depth nerds that know stuff and they don't share the info. (Confusing question, sorry)
[15:46] <hamslaai> QUESTION: how much does it cost to publish an app for phones?
[15:46] <pitti> Spartacurse: well, so far you can't buy an Ubuntu phone anywhere yet, so that's quite natural
[15:47] <pitti> it hasn't really been fit for millions of users so far
[15:47] <pitti> Spartacurse: that'll change in August, then you will be able to buy them :)
[15:47] <ptidav38090> yes maybe more device
[15:47] <pitti> that too
[15:48] <pitti> but we start small, with just a few devices and opt-in users; this thing needs to grow sanely, we can't "blast" it into the big market and then have people be disappointed because it's not yet complete enough for their purposes
[15:49] <ptidav38090> :)
[15:49] <balloons> arthur_, here's the wiki page I was thinking of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[15:49] <arthur_> got it, thanks.
[15:50] <Arron> QUESTION does ubuntu touch have a vpn api?
[15:50] <dholbach> talk to me on IRC to find out more about development, getting upload rights and stuff
[15:50] <ptidav38090> QUESTION: when get more easy device
[15:52] <ptidav38090> in ubuntu store?
[15:52] <balloons> ptidav38090, what do you mean? Are you asking when phones with ubuntu will be available?
[15:53] <balloons> Any more questions? we still have a few mins and can still answer yours :-)
[15:53] <ptidav38090> i have capture video not working in, not only phone
[15:53] <druellan> QUESTION: Hi! The Laptop Testing Team was pretty quiet during 14.04 launch. I did not remember a beta testing coming from this group. Is active or are you managing laptop-tests on the main Q&A group?
[15:53] <exuser> QUESTİON: In smartphones and tablets, OSwise or hardware wise,  are there obstacles as to writing more complicated productivity apps such as video editing, engineering etc.  Because in term of horse power some companies claim that their SoC's are as powerful as desktop computers.
[15:55] <pitti> exuser: indeed, hw is good/big/fast enough these days; I think the main limitation is what a human can do with just a finger and a touch screen, and a relatively small screen size
[15:55] <ptidav38090> big community
[15:55] <pitti> exuser: I think the better answer to that is to turn your phone/tablet into a fully fledged desktop when you put it into a dock (i. e. keyboard/mouse/monitor)
[15:58] <druellan> Thanks Nicholas!
[15:58] <dj95> hello  i have a question about ubuntu
[15:58] <Spartacurse> Thanks again guys, see you next week!
[15:58] <balloons> druellan, I hope that helped.. maybe it wasn't a good answer :-) In general I find desktops, laptops, and pc like stuff just works with ubuntu nowadays. Our hardware testing efforts can probably be applied now to other devices :-)
[15:58] <ptidav38090> bye Spartacurse
[15:59] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[15:59] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[15:59] <ptidav38090> you are really need approbation of constructor for driver make
[16:00] <ptidav38090> see you next
[16:00] <ptidav38090> bye
[16:00] <balloons> see you next week everyone and thanks!
[16:00] <dj95> i have a lenovo z710 with an idt sound card... i cannot get headphone audio to work and when i restart my pc the headphone jack isnt working anymore in windows,too
[16:01] <exuser> they were so nice people. Thanks
[16:01] <ptidav38090> good to see video conference
[16:01] <exuser> I so glad I came across this program.
[16:02] <henke> thanks a lot bye
[16:02] <exuser> Wish everyone the best. Good-bye
[16:02] <ptidav38090> bye exuser
[16:02] <exuser> bye sir
[16:03] <dj95> can anyone help me pls
[16:04] <ptidav38090> will be continued to build ubuntu computer
[16:08] <druellan> balloons: yeah, I'm in the team just because I'm lazy and its easy to do some specific hardware tests than a full Q&A test. But I missed the 14.04 tests because I was busy and waiting for the laptop team call for beta test, that never happened :P
[16:11] <balloons> druellan, I appreciate the willingness to help
[16:19] <druellan> Noprob! Thanks people. bye!
[16:36] <cyberheart> hi guys
[18:12] <sure_> is anybody there ?


[02:47] <Maahes> are there known issues with kernel 2.6.27-13 generic and all versions of the Nvidia binary drivers?
[02:48] <Maahes> because I am getting....beyond bad issues with all versions thereof. like binary information being written out on config files
[02:48] <Maahes> interspersed with strings in german, for some reason
[02:54] <Maahes> in any event, so far as I can tell 2.6.27-13 is broken for Nvidia binaries 177.82-0ubuntu0.1 and 173.14.12-1-0ubuntu5.1
[02:54] <Maahes> whether installed via envyng or restricted manager
[02:55]  * Maahes decides to revert to 2.6.27-12 for awhile
[06:07] <purentropy> WHen I try to boot from the live CD my system HANGS at [ 97.125547] ata6: PATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x170 ctl 0x376 bmdma 0xffa8 irq 15
[06:07] <purentropy> never gets to the desktop
[06:07] <purentropy> i can't run any terminal commands because i never get to the livecd desktop.  Can anyone make any sense of this message?
[06:10] <purentropy> I have Nvidia Nforce 630i chipset.  WDC 500GB SATA HDD.  Using 8.10 LiveCD. No externals plugged in besides monitor,keyboard,mouse,ethernet
[06:13] <n2diy> purentropy: ask the whole question in #ubuntu, the Nvidia stuff is important, and not kernel related.
[09:51] <davmor2> Guys I just completed a 64bit Ubuntu install from netboot mini.iso and am greeted with a nice little window that says....  Kerneloops-ui  Your system had a kernel failure
[10:09] <davmor2> What logs do you need is it just /var/log/kern.log?
[10:25] <davmor2> I'm having to carry on testing so I've put logs here:  http://www.davmor2.co.uk/kern.log  http://www.davmor2.co.uk/debug.log  http://www.davmor2.co.uk/dmesg.log
[10:40] <smb_tp_> davmor2, I am at a loss about what kerneloops is complaining. There is nothing apparent in the log files...
[10:42] <davmor2> smb_tp_: No idea either.  I finished the install rebooted and was greeted by 2 kerneloops windows one behind the other.  I'm doing a kubuntu install so I'll check if it happens again
[10:43] <smb_tp_> davmor2, ok. I'll peek at the package in the meantime
[10:44] <davmor2> smb_tp_: It wouldn't be because it is a netboot install and part that it wanted was missing could it?
[10:44] <davmor2> if so I'll have a look in the installer folder and see if there is a kern.log in there too which might help
[10:45] <smb_tp_> I wouldn't rule out this at the moment since I am not sure what it looks for exactly. At least it sounds unlikely that it found something in the dmesg
[10:45] <smb_tp_> Except it take the WARNINGs as something bad, which would be bad
[10:47] <davmor2> it only affects 64bit to 32 bit worked fine
[10:47] <smb_tp_> davmor2, The ui is IIRC triggered by a file being  in /var/crash... Maybe that has some info
[10:48] <davmor2> smb_tp_: if I get it again in kubuntu (which I'm guessing I should)  I'll have a look and see if there is anything in there for you
[10:48] <smb_tp_> ok
[12:47] <ia> hello. maybe it's wrong place for this question, but i don't know, where else i can ask about it. I use jaunty with latest updates at 2.6.28-9.29 kernel. during boot i get a few (~10) messages with modprobe usage text and when gnome starts, it shows warning that kernel can't use cpu frequency scaling. at 8.27 and earlier everything was fine. I just intresting to know, does anybody else have the same strange issue?
[12:57] <davmor2> smb_tp_: Can't reproduce at the moment might just of been an install issue If it does come back up I'll post any crash logs too :)
[12:59] <smb_tp_> davmor2, Ok, sure. Lets see
[13:02] <wmat> ia: ensure you're system has the latest BIOS
[13:03] <wmat> ia: then review the Launchpad bugs for fpu frequency scaling as there's been a few
[13:04] <wmat> ia: s/fpu/cpu
[15:14] <sconklin>  have we ever considered pulling the upstream video4linux directly into a distro? The reason I ask is that there's a good bit of device enablement in the delta between what we have in jaunty and what's upstream in v4l
[15:16] <smb_tp_> I do not remember this being discussed before...
[15:17] <smb_tp_> But I could think this increases the burden when syncing. rtg knows the pain for wireless
[15:22] <sconklin> I'm looking at a patch now that fixes an open bug, but it's against upstream. Still not too hard to backport, but I wondered whether it was worth the risk to take the whole pile. I think I'd be willing to serve as the go-between for our kernels. I think it's too late for Jaunty in any case.
[15:23] <rtg> smb_tp_: it all depends on how often we sync. we could think about it for Karmic.
[15:23] <sconklin> Like wireless, it would take someone following upstream, syncing bugs, etc.
[15:24] <rtg> sconklin: sprint topic?
[15:24] <sconklin> rtg: sure, if there are any open slots. I'd be happy to moderate
[15:24]  * smb_tp_ nods
[15:24] <rtg> sconklin: surely we could find an hour out of 3 days to chat about it
[15:25] <sconklin> ok, I'll ask pgraner to schedule it is he can. If he can't I'll just be opportunistic about bringing it up
[15:25] <sconklin> if he can
[16:04] <rtg> Keybuk: Re: [PATCH 29/31] esp: Auto-load esp module when device opened. Alan Cox says "NAK - the default esp behaviour is to do unsafe ISA probes to find the ports. We don't want it autoloading therefore.". I tend to agree with him when it comes to ISA probing.
[16:04] <Keybuk> sure
[16:04] <Keybuk> in fact, I'm of the opinion that all of these patches should be dropped for the next ubuntu kernel if they haven't been merged upstream
[16:05] <Keybuk> thus I realise they shouldn't have been "SAUCE"
[16:05] <Keybuk> the whole sauce non-sauce thing confuses me a little ;)
[16:05] <Keybuk> the important thing is that we had an alias to auto-load that driver
[16:05] <Keybuk> we turned it into the kernel patch
[16:05] <Keybuk> and someone upstream said it was wrong
[16:05] <Keybuk> which means our alias was wrong too
[16:05] <Keybuk> so it's fine for both to go :p
[16:08] <rtg> Keybuk: OK, I'll revert at least the esp patch.
[16:09] <Keybuk> I'd probably wait until karmic, unless you feel a pressing need
[16:09] <Keybuk> simply on the basis that there may be people who've been testing jaunty so far and relying on it working
[16:09] <Keybuk> it's less rude to break such things at the start of a release
[16:09] <rtg> Keybuk: that patch has only existed for the last couple of uploads. Probing of ISA ports is a bad thing.
[16:10] <Keybuk> right, but we had a modprobe.d alias before
[16:10] <Keybuk> which had the exact same effect
[16:10] <rtg> so, you're saying its always been loaded automagically?
[16:27] <Keybuk> right
[16:27] <Keybuk> I'm quite happy to drop that on Alan's word that it shouldn't be
[16:27] <Keybuk> but wishy-washily-vaguely leaning towards doing that drop when we rebase for karmic rather than right before jaunty beta :p
[16:47]  * JanC wonders why an extra-sensory-perception module has to do isa-probing  :P
[17:08] <cj> hmm?  esp?  isa?  are you talking about ipsec?
[17:10] <anubhav>  cj: ithink its http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v<IP_ADDRESS>/drivers/char/esp.c
[17:13] <cj> ah, not Encapsulated Security Payload / Internet Security and Acceleration
[17:35] <anubhav> johanbr: did the "up_threshold" param solve your issue?
[17:36] <johanbr> anubhav: I've been pretty busy so I haven't actually tried it yet. But I'll keep it in mind next time I compile something.
[17:37] <anubhav> johanbr: oh okay :)
[17:43] <porq69> hi
[20:37] <Lure> I am using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBugFixing to try one upstream fix, but the build in PPA fails with ABI error
[20:37] <Lure> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23761073/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-lpia.linux_2.6.28-9.29~lure~lp285834_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:38] <Lure> is something missing regarding ABI in the wiki page?
[20:40] <TheMuso> Lure: You need to fetch the abi files for a previous kernel if there were any, otherwise you need to disable ABI checking.
[20:41] <TheMuso> I'm guessing this is the first kernel you are building, so disabling the abi check is probably the best option.
[20:41] <TheMuso> if its your ppa only
[20:47] <Lure> TheMuso: how can I disable ABI check in package?
[20:48] <TheMuso> Lure: probably the easiest way is to add something like "skipabi = true" and "skipmodule = true" to the top of debian/rules.d/0-common-vars.mk
[20:48] <TheMuso> actually, add those two lines exactly to the top of that file, and things should be ok.
[20:48] <Lure> TheMuso: thanks - will try now
[20:49] <Lure> TheMuso: you are audio guy, right?
[20:49] <TheMuso> Lure: yes
[20:50] <Lure> TheMuso: can you comment how likely is to get quirk fix from sound-2.6.git into Jaunty - I am talking about bug 285834
[20:50] <ubot3> Malone bug 285834 in alsa-driver "Audio out on x200/x200s dockingstation doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285834
[20:50] <Lure> I plan to test it first and hopefully it will work for me and other reporters...
[20:50]  * TheMuso checks to see whether the commit needed is in 2.6.29
[20:53] <TheMuso> Lure: it is not in 2.6.29 yet, and I don't think rtg et al like pulling commits from anywhere else but upstream, and its a rather big diff, so I am not sure if the kernel team would be comfortable merging it.
[20:53] <TheMuso> Upstream here being Linus' tree.
[20:54] <Lure> TheMuso: ok, will check back only if we have positive testing reports
[20:55] <Lure> otherwise I may maintain custom kernel in ppa
[20:55] <Lure> TheMuso: thanks a lot for you help
[20:55] <TheMuso> Lure: np
[21:01] <rtg> TheMuso: I just replied to email about missing commits
[21:02] <rtg> to your email
[21:04] <TheMuso> rtg: right
[21:13] <dandel> ><; any ideas on where i can get generic 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 series of mainline in binary?
[21:19] <rtg> dandel: I tarted a mainline build for 2.6.25, watch the kernel team mailling list for completion
[21:19] <rtg> started*
[22:20] <dandel> RTG, that's good to know... i'll be looking for it then.


[05:58] <tsujp> I have cloud-init running a bash script as a user `foo` and `/home/foo/.bashrc` has `export ROLE=chungus` in it. At the time this script is run with cloud init via `su -l foo -c ./init.sh` where inside init.sh there is `echo $(env)` I do NOT see the environment variable `ROLE` set, however once I ssh into the machine I see `ROLE` being set
[05:59] <tsujp> Why is this not set at cloud-init time if this is being run as a user-data-script, is set in the users `.bashrc`, and is invoked using `su -l` for a login shell (and therefore sourcing .bashrc)
[14:58] <smoser> tsujp: see man bash.  bashrc is only consumed if the shell is interactive.
[19:02] <faa> goneri: ping https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256309 (bsd mtu improvement)
[19:22] <goneri> faa, hi! sorry for being slow on this. what remains to be done?


[04:33] <tiwake> are there any guide lines that people know of for setting up a table for [open source thing] at a convention?
[04:34] <tiwake> not that I'm setting up a table for exactly such a thing (folding@home), but as far as how information should be presented, would be nearly the same.
 @tiwake, Hi, I'm part of the #ubuntu-co LoCo team, and we often do activities of this kind, you can find more information in the ubuntu wiki: https://wiki.kubuntu.com/ConferenceTopTips
 @DGUERRERO, sorry, wrong address, this is the one: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ConferenceTopTips
[05:24] <tiwake> thanks :3
[07:34] <user|28485> my kubuntu is not working
[07:34] <user|28485> its loooding........
[07:49] <user|28485> i am having problem with my kubantu 16.04 lts stock on welcome screen help me
[07:51] <zorin-os> let me guess ur mouse and keypad dont work?
[07:51] <zorin-os> on kubuntu even with nomodeset?
[08:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:52] <sicilianotattoo> salut a tous
[11:52] <sicilianotattoo> ciao a tutti
[11:53] <sicilianotattoo> channel france??
[11:55] <BluesKaj> sicilianotattoo,  #ubuntu-fr ou #ubuntu-it
[11:56] <sicilianotattoo> ;-)
[19:02] <forcerecon> Hello Kubuntu
[19:04] <forcerecon> I was just installing kubuntu in vmware on debian.. I downloaded the latest 17.x and tried to install.. during the installation it kicks out the dvd and creates some type of autoinstall.iso mount, goes no place.. so I noticed there were two dvds in the panel and one was still the iso.  I remounted that, the install went farther, then both x'd out, so I remounted them during the install.. it finally came up with a language choice, doing
[19:04] <forcerecon> download updates now, but just sitting here looking at me.. gonna give it more time, but needs to be checked
[19:05] <forcerecon> also got this error during install - If you have an operating system installation disc, you can insert the disc into the system's CD-ROM drive and restart the virtual machine.
[19:14] <forcerecon> Im actually kind of glad there are problems.. lets me learn more troubleshooting.. :) installing language packs... seems to be going.. thanks!
[21:38] <TBotNik__> All: Having Wifi connect issues. Running Kubuntu 143.04 LTS. Wrote this up at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/wifi-disabled-by-metropcs-script-4175611950/page2.html
[21:40] <TBotNik__> All: Hoping someone can help me with diagnosis, as Wifi, from popup screens says connected, but dhclient not assigning IP and so can not ping or work.
[21:41] <TBotNik__> All: Running from hardwired right now, but this is a laptop so Wifi is a must!
[21:48] <valorie> !wifi
[21:48] <valorie> TBotNik__: ^^^ might help
[21:52] <TBotNik__> valorie: Did you read my writeup?
[21:55] <valorie> no and I won't go through linuxquestions' involved process to even see your question
[21:56] <valorie> we have the wifi docs page which takes you through testing and fixing, step by step
[21:58] <TBotNik__> valorie: OK all was working 3 weeks ago, then friend used his MetroPCS WIFI HotSpot with my machine and now can not get it to work on WiFi.  Keep getting a metro screen saying "Hotspot" not part of my Metro plan.  Also dhclient will not run, so no IP therefore cannot ping anything.
[22:00] <valorie> ah
[22:00] <valorie> sounds like the wifi hotspot made some changes in your confi without asking
[22:01] <TBotNik__> valorie: Have no idea what Metro installed on my machine disabling it, but need to find it and trash it, so get back to normal.  Everyone keep telling me "install", "install", "install" but that is doing nothing to find the installed junk from Metro.
[22:01] <valorie> config
[22:01] <TBotNik__> valorie: config ?
[22:01] <valorie> I doubt it installed anything; just changed dhcp settings
[22:02] <TBotNik__> valorie: Where do I look?
[22:02] <valorie> however that is beyond my knowledge to tell you how to fix
[22:02] <valorie> if nobody speaks up here, I suggest asking in #ubuntu which is a much larger channel
[22:03] <valorie> this isn't a kubuntu problem, fundamentally
[22:04] <valorie> there is also ##networking  which is a very large channel
[22:12] <TBotNik__> valorie: Thnx! Reposted on ##networking.  Will also post on ##linux