[00:16] <mweijts> @ riddell no problems with re-update, gonna try KDE
[00:16] <Riddell> mofux: should be built now, can you get it installed?
[00:19] <mofux> Riddell: lemme check
[00:20] <mofux> Riddell: back to KDE 4.5, all works :)
[00:20] <mofux> thanks for the help
[00:21] <mweijts> @ Riddell KDE is working
[00:21] <dbc254> how can I have my user account AND root be the same account?
[00:22] <Riddell> mweijts: great, thanks
[00:29] <James147> dbc254: login as root? why would you want to do soemthing like that?
[00:31] <BluesKaj> Riddell, i mnaged to install kde 4.5 withoy much trouble but there are still several pkges being held back. Also the bakcport ppa at http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 works only a package manager , the whole deb url isn't listed . I prefer to edit my sources.list and updae/upgrade in the terminal  rather than the package manager.
[00:31] <BluesKaj> scuse my spelling
[00:34] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what is being held  back?
[00:36] <James147> BluesKaj: it also works with comand line "sudo add-apt-repository REPO"
[00:54] <BluesKaj> James147, yeah but which repos, that's whay I'm asking
[00:54] <BluesKaj> what
[00:54] <qnix> Hi, on my laptop, with any video player, the images is strange.. the colors...
[00:54] <qnix> Do I need something to get the proper colors displayed?
[00:56] <BluesKaj> gonna check the boot
[00:56] <James147> BluesKaj: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports"
[00:57] <EDinNY> where can I find how to make Nvidia work"?
[00:58] <qnix> got it... for an unknown reason the hue saturation was set to 0.
[00:58] <qnix> thanks
[00:58] <mkpaa> hmm.. upgraded with latest kde rc from repos and now I am missing .. for example startkde :)
[00:59] <DarthFrog> mkpaa: KDE 4.5 has been officially released.
[00:59] <DarthFrog> mkpaa: Check the channel topic.
[00:59] <mkpaa> well, packages were broken in this case anyways
[00:59] <DarthFrog> mkpaa: Or just go to http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[01:00] <mkpaa> will do
[01:00] <DarthFrog> mkpaa: If the packages in an obsolete release are broken, does it really matter? :-)
[01:01] <mkpaa> it is problem if I can't start kde :)
[01:01] <James147> mkpaa: did the upgrade break kde?
[01:02] <mkpaa> yes, I get blank screen after login (using kdm) and good ol' startx says missing startkde
[01:03] <James147> mkpaa: run this: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[01:04] <jesse_> anyone on?
[01:04] <mkpaa> working on it
[01:05] <jesse_> have a question, want to play evony on fire fox, have installed flash player but will not go to play area, does go past login screen, to server selection, but thats it
[01:08] <zylogz80> I'm trying to install the newly released KDE 4.5 on Kubuntu 10.04 following the directions here http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 and here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu however, after adding the ppa kpackagekit finds the updates as blocked and I am unable to install then. what step am I missing?
[01:09] <mkpaa> james, working again. that purged all old versions?
[01:09] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: Try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" on the command line.  All on one line.
[01:10] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: ok, I'll give it a go. thanks!
[01:10] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: It may not do anything different.  No guarantees but it's worth a shot.
[01:12] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: its doing something. here's to hoping it is doing something not destructive.
[01:13] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: :-)  I truly hope that it's not destructive.  It never has been so for me before.
[01:13] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: hahaha
[01:13] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: And I run that command daily.
[01:13] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: I hereby absolve you of any guilt if I end up booting to CDE or something
[01:13] <James147> zylogz80: large updates like kde 4.5 are usually blocked in kpakcagekit due to them needing to remove some packagees
[01:14] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: Even worse, to GNOME!  :-)
[01:14] <zylogz80> James147: cool thanks for the context
[01:14] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: no! haha
[01:14] <zylogz80> James147: I am a recent convert from Fedora so my apt-fu is not strong. I haven't gotten comfortable with apt yet.
[01:15] <blip99> hi, I want to make sure I understand how to upgrade to KDE 4.5 on 10.4 via PPA's.   They're saying I add the backports and update. I added backports PPA - now it shows I have 20 updates but none of them look like KDE4.5...
[01:15] <blip99> it also shows me 119 Blocked updates
[01:16] <zylogz80> blip99: same problem I had :) I am running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and it appears to be working
[01:16] <blip99> zylogz80: but won't that install every single update in the backports ? I only want KDE4.5 from it
[01:16] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: apt is an excellent frontend to dpkg (which is actually doing the heavy lifting).  Apt is one of the best things about Debian.
[01:16] <zylogz80> blip99: unknown. I'm new to this.
[01:16] <blip99> zylogz80: I will check now with synaptic
[01:17] <James147> blip99: upgrade via command line: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade"
[01:17] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: I intend to learn more. My rpm and yum are both strong. I will get comfortable with it eventually.
[01:17] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: apt is somewhat equivalent to yum.  dpkg to rpm.
[01:17] <blip99> zylogz80: btw did you add "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" to the sources list ?    I know yum/rpm.  I think apt/dpkg is better.
[01:18] <zylogz80> blip99: yeah I added that. I then tried to update with kpackagekit but it was all blocked due to package removals as I've since learned
[01:18] <James147> blip99: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports   will add the repo
[01:18] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: I've heard really great things about it, especially with regards to speed
[01:19] <DarthFrog> zylogz80: APT has never hosed a system on me.  I can't say the same for ... other distros tools.
[01:20] <zylogz80> DarthFrog: hahah I've had my share of problems with rpm/yum that's for sure!
[01:20] <raven24> kdevelop got uninstalled with the upgrade to 4.5 ... I had a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports and there it seems that the kdevelop package is from April...
[01:21] <phant0ml0rd> raven24: yes, kdevelop depends on a library that got renamed in 4.5 ... I believe its on their list of things to fix
[01:21] <blip99> James147: I added it via software-properties-kde tool fine.  I'm just surprised how it was able to map that to the full url. anyway not important, I need to get installing and test it before I sleep :)
[01:23] <raven24> phant0ml0rd: ah ... that's good to hear. is the info on how/who/when somewhere?
[01:24] <blip99> zylogz80: yep I just checked with synaptic, all those KDE4.5 packages that kpackagekit blocked are listed to install in synaptic.  It's only removing a few things that look normal.  I trust synaptic here
[01:24] <phant0ml0rd> nope, i found out the hard way. and the op here (Ridell) told me that they were still in the process of fixing it. There was no ETA, but I think they will get to it after they fix the AMD64 distro
[01:27] <mkpaa> bug or feature, libkontactinterface4 and libakonadi-contact4 were not installed with kontact (works after installing those)
[01:27] <zylogz80> blip99: it removed some things that looked kind of scary to me, did it remove these for you too? kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data ktorrent libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4
[01:27] <zylogz80> libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4
[01:27] <zylogz80> libweather-ion4
[01:28] <raven24> phant0ml0rd: ok ... that sounds promising. since it's already late (at least here in GMT+1) I'll have another look tomorrow
[01:30] <BluesKaj> James147, DarthFrog , success, no probs after doing some relogins and installing kubuntu-desktop ...seems stable now
[01:30] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: Excellent.  Glad to hear it.
[01:30] <James147> zylogz80: it should also install some similarly named packages
[01:30] <zylogz80> James147: cool
[01:31] <blip99> ETA: 3 minutes, 50 seconds :D
[01:35] <zylogz80> alright, done. lets see if it worked. if you see me back in a couple then something went wrong. :) thanks all!
[01:56] <lov255> Hello
[01:56]  * lov255 is a Ubuntu noob and can use some help with installng a wirless USB 802.11 stick
[01:56]  * lov255 has Ububtu 10.04
[01:57]  * lov255 has been working on installing the wireless card all day
[01:57]  * lov255 wonders if anyone can help?
[01:57]  * lov255 wonders if anyone is alive?
[01:59] <James147_> lov255: best to ask for help rather then wonder about it :)
[02:00] <James147_> lov255: also, this is the Kubuntu support channel, for ubuntu help you might want to ask in #ubuntu
[02:00] <lov255> I did lol...I am trying to get a wireless USB 802.11 adapter installed on my laptop with Ubuntu 10.04
[02:00] <lov255> ohhh
[02:00] <lov255> sorry just noticed that
[02:00] <lov255> thanks
[02:00] <FloodBotK3> lov255: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:08] <zylogz80> kde 4. is looking nice except that it is making liberal use of the very slow and broken wash-out/color-burn effect, example http://h.imagehost.org/view/0648/snapshot1 (look at the all white window preview down the bottom) this makes window tiling and previews broken and very slow. does anyone know how to disable this filter?
[02:08] <zylogz80> *kde 4.5 I mean
[02:12] <zylogz80> here is a much more compelling example, check this out : http://imgur.com/sOKbc noticed how the window previews are color burned and washed out? how can I keep the window managment features but shut off this color burn effect?
[02:12] <phant0ml0rd> zylogz80: i may be way off here, but did you try disabling dektop effects ?
[02:13] <zylogz80> phant0ml0rd: well then I would lose all desktop effects, that wouldn't be good :) I just want to get rid of that color burn effect but keep all the actual desktop effects themselves
[02:13] <phant0ml0rd> zylogz80: i know, but its a good way to figure out if its one of the compositing effects, or something else
[02:14] <zylogz80> phant0ml0rd: yeah it is definately a compisiting effects issue. none of the window management features that make use of the color burn filter are available when desktop effects are disabled
[02:15] <zylogz80> phant0ml0rd: but it should be possible to disable just that filter, however I don't know KDE well enough yet to do things like that.
[02:16] <phant0ml0rd> zylogz80: yeah, the enabled filters are in system settings > desktop effects > Alleffects tab
[02:17] <phant0ml0rd> zylogz80: try disabling the sharpen filter if you have it enabled
[02:18] <zylogz80> phant0ml0rd: I will poke around in there. I think I will need access to whatever config files actually define those effects. I don't think any of them excplicitely expose what filters they utilize
[04:12] <olskolirc> im on Lucid can someone help me with my firefox 3.6.8 it keeps hanging and crashing....I always have to kill the pid
[05:09] <juliano> Upgrade to KDE 4.5 broke everything. How do I downgrade to 4.4.5?
[05:26] <DarthFrog> juliano: If it were me, I'd go for a pure GNOME system (i.e. purge your system of KDE), then re-install kubuntu-desktop.
[05:27] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[05:29] <juliano> DarthFrog: This ought be possible without resorting to GNOME... apt-get runs from the command-line, it just refuses to reinstall kubuntu-desktop, and I can't seem to convince it
[05:30] <juliano> it seems I managed to somehow partially unbreak 4.5
[05:30] <DarthFrog> juliano: Because you've got a more recent version of KDE installed.  You have to rip it out first.
[05:31] <juliano> isn't there a way to remove KDE without having to install GNOME?
[05:31] <DarthFrog> Sure.
[05:32] <DarthFrog> Uninstall *all* the KDE packages.
[05:32] <DarthFrog> !puregnome | juliano
[05:32] <DarthFrog> That'll tell you what to uninstall.  You don't have to install GNOME.
[05:32] <DarthFrog> Rip out KDE.  Remove the repo from /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:33] <DarthFrog> Then re-install kubuntu-desktop.
[05:33] <DarthFrog> Remember, if it breaks you get to keep both pieces.
[05:33] <juliano> ok, thanks
[05:36] <phoenix_> yesterday i upgraded to kde 3.5 rc3, the xserver is not compatable with the latest nvidia driver. when will the next nvidia driver be available.if that will take so long, is there a way to degrade the xserver. yesterday i tried to do that but there are dependency problems
[05:38] <DarthFrog> KDE 3.5???
[05:39] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: ya
[05:39] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: sorry 4.5
[05:40] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  The xserver and the nvidia drivers will be orthogonal to whatever KDE version you have.  i.e. Not a KDE issue.  BTW, KDE 4.5 was officially released today and Kubuntu packages are already available.
[05:41] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: yesterday i upgraded using the command "do-release-upgrade -d"
[05:42] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: what should i do now to fix the problem
[05:45] <DarthFrog> Try a different nvida driver?  The latest one isn't always the best choice.
[05:48] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: the error was something like video driver version ABI. it said the xserver is using version 8 which is not compatable with the nvidia driver , so it asked me to install a lower version of xserver
[05:49] <DarthFrog> Urk.  I've not come across that one before.
[05:53] <phoenix_> have you tried kde 4.5 rc3
[05:54] <DarthFrog> RC3 was only available as source.  It was never built for Kubuntu.  I ran RC2, then the pre-release of 4.5.  Now I"m on the official release.
[06:08] <phoenix_> DarthFrog: why they dont give importance for kopete
[06:12] <phoenix_> imagebin link?
[06:20] <phoenix_> http://imagebin.org/109055
[06:20] <phoenix_> something wrong with the thumbnail generation
[06:36] <enderw> is there a ppa for kdepim 4.5?
[07:28] <francesco_> ciao a tutti voi
[07:28] <francesco_> !list
[07:29] <francesco_> ok
[07:41] <skramer_> I still have problems upgrading to KDE SC 4.5.0 on Kubuntu 10.04, 155 packages hold
[07:42] <skramer_> any hints what I could do? I'm on amd64...
[07:43] <AndreS_> skramer_: yesterday, i was told to hold on this channel to a bit longer for amd64.
[07:43] <AndreS_> I'd very much like to upgrade to 4.5 too...
[07:43] <charlotte___> hello
[07:44] <charlotte___> this is beartifuly
[07:45] <skramer_> AndreS_: I see, just thought I read last night that upgrading amd64 should work now
[07:45] <AndreS_> OK, perhaps my info is outdated now then.
[07:46] <AndreS_> I last heard around 22PM CET.
[07:46] <skramer_> AndreS_: [23:25:15] <Riddell> amd64 should be fine now
[07:47] <skramer_> AndreS_: but still, nothing changed after that...
[07:47] <AndreS_> ok, good to hear. Missed that last night :-)
[07:49] <AndreS_> Weird... When I try to update the packages in KPackageKit, I get this error (with a request to report it):
[07:49] <AndreS_> http://pastebin.org/469675
[07:49] <AndreS_> I mean: when I hit the refresh button in KPackageKit
[07:52] <AndreS_> Another issue is that when updating the sources and the additional package files are downloaded, this process always hangs on the last file.
[07:53] <skramer_> AndreS_: that's strange, I did not find these problems in my side
[07:53] <skramer_> AndreS_: KPackageKit just gives me the same 155 blocked packages as aptitude does...
[07:54] <skramer_> AndreS_: no problem when hitting the refresh button, though
[07:54] <AndreS_> http://imagebin.org/109070
[07:55] <AndreS_> What's the magic word to try with aptitude?
[07:56] <skramer_> AndreS_: in cli "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[07:56] <AndreS_> thanks
[07:57] <AndreS_> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid/main Packages
[07:57] <AndreS_>   404  Not Found
[07:57] <AndreS_> Hmmm....
[07:58] <skramer_> AndreS_: that means one of the PPA's you have in your sources.list is currently not reachable / does not exist any longer
[07:58] <AndreS_> Removing that source takes care of the last problem, yes.
[07:59] <AndreS_> But no KDE 4.5 pops up in my list of updates...
[07:59] <skramer_> AndreS_: should also be the reason why the update process hangs on last file in KpackageKit
[07:59] <AndreS_> That's what I figured too. Too bad KPackageKit does not give a decent error for that.
[08:00] <skramer_> AndreS_: do you have the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports in your sources.list?
[08:01] <AndreS_> I added it like that, but it now shows as http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[08:01] <AndreS_> sorry, correct that: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backport/ubuntu
[08:02] <skramer_> AndreS_: should be backports, not backport
[08:02] <AndreS_> The one holding up the proces is actually the last one...
[08:03] <AndreS_> Doh!
[08:03] <AndreS_> I must have missed the s while copy/pasting the URL from the website. Updating the package list at least now works...
[08:04] <skramer_> AndreS_: :-)
[08:05] <AndreS_> Hmmm... not sure I want to upgrade. Most updates appear blocked?!
[08:05] <skramer_> AndreS_: I suggest not to upgrade then
[08:05] <AndreS_> Including stuff like KDE base
[08:06] <AndreS_> What set up updates do you have enabled, skramer_?
[08:07] <skramer_> AndreS_: what do you mean? which PPA's?
[08:07] <AndreS_> No, I mean the options in KPackageKit in the software sources dialog, third tab
[08:12] <skramer_> AndreS_: I checked the first two & the fourth one. that should be important security updates, recommended updates and unsupported updates (i.e. backports)
[08:13] <AndreS_> skramer_: ok, thanks, that's what I have.
[08:14] <AndreS_> Slightly frustrating to see that new and shiny KDE 4.5 finally ready to install in my list, only to have them listed under "blocked updates" :S
[08:14] <skramer_> anybody succeeded upgrading to KDE SC 4.5.0 on amd64 architecture?
[08:25] <mkrista> no :( hosed 64bit... they might have fixed it by now tho . I did it 12hr ago
[08:32] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[08:33] <phoenix_> does the nvidia driver work with the new xserver
[08:34] <zak_> I'm pretty sure I have neither of those things.
[08:34] <zak_> Sorry, dude.
[08:37] <phoenix_> zak_: have you tried kde 4.5 rc3
[08:41] <zak_> I'm actually on gnome right now, just using elements of KDE, so no.
[08:41] <phoenix_> zak_: ok
[09:52] <kas> Привет всем!
[09:53] <kas> Сразу вопрос) почему может тупить система когда меняется заставка на рабочем столе?
[10:02] <ghostcube> !ru kas
[10:02] <kas> !кг
[10:02] <kas> !ru
[10:02] <ghostcube> oh i forgot the pipe :)
[10:03] <kas> блин там все на Гноме сидят а мне нуда КДЕ(((
[10:25] <AndreS_> Please note the channel guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines?action=show&redirect=IRCGuidelines
[10:26] <AndreS_> -> english please!
[10:28] <slow-motion> hi
[10:37] <AndreS_> Is there an easy way to merge the left and right audio channel somehow? I have a vid with only audio on one channel, and that is annoying to listen to on my headphones...
[10:39] <AndreS_> I am currently using Dragon Player. I know VLC has the feature, but installing VLC on my system is blocked by... vlc.
[10:51] <Guest43528> i purged xserver-xorg,kdm,xinit,kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins and reinstalled those. now when i start X , i get the login screen, after loging in i see only the wallpaper and mouse cursor nothin else
[10:59] <torsten> hello. just recently Kontact starts with summary. And then there no click has an effect in Kontact. I can't switch to calendar, news or mail. How can I get Kontact working again?
[11:00] <lelamal> hi, I need to check something from yesterday's exchange for some users on Kubuntu Forums who are having the same issue. Is there a place where logs are kept so I can point them to it?
[11:09] <well_laid_lawn> !logs
[11:15] <lelamal> well_laid_lawn: many thanks!
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[11:42] <roam> is it recommended to upgrade a 10.4 netbook installation to kde4.4.4 or kde4.5?
[11:45] <floown> hello
[11:46] <floown> I can't use imap in Kontact since the upgrade to KDE 4.5
[11:46] <floown> what packet should I manually install?
[11:51] <torsten> floown: try libakonadi-contact4 and libkontactinterface4?
[11:52] <floown> torsten: already installed
[11:52] <torsten> then I cant help anymore sry
[11:52] <floown> nop
[11:52] <floown> thx
[11:55] <Logi> my google-fu is failing me. How do I enable webkit in konqueror after upgrading kde to the new 4.5.0 packages?
[12:07] <torsten> logi: install webkitkde. switch Engine under View > View Mode while browsing a web page.
[12:07] <Logi> thanks
[12:09] <Logi> torsten: It's kpart-webkit now, btw
[12:17] <sgomes> hey everyone
[12:18] <sgomes> I'm having a bit of trouble updating to KDE SC 4.5 in Lucid
[12:18] <sgomes> I've added http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ to the sources list, but an upgrade doesn't seem to pick up any new packages
[12:19] <sgomes> (and yes, I've done an apt-get update first)
[12:25] <Logi> ok, I can switch individual pages to webkit - now how do I make this the default?
[12:26] <amgarching> Hi, what was that commandline for adding PPA repos to apt source list? It is about ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:27] <James147> sgomes: what did you add to the sources.list exactly?
[12:27] <James147> amgarching: sudo add-apt-repository <repo>
[12:27] <sgomes> James147: the line reads "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main"
[12:28] <amgarching> add-apt-repository ?
[12:28] <amgarching> thaks, James147
[12:29] <James147> sgomes: any errors when you run: "sudo apt-get update"?
[12:30] <sgomes> James147: nope, no errors. The relevant line in the output seems to be "Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-en_US"
[12:31] <sgomes> is it getting ignored?
[12:31] <James147> apperantly :S
[12:31] <sgomes> hmm
[12:31] <James147> ahh, "lucid/main"   should be "lucid main"
[12:32] <James147> sgomes: btw, the repos can be added with the command "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports" << this will also get the gpg keys for it
[12:33] <sgomes> James147: I believe that's what I did, but let me try again
[12:35] <Logi> To answer my own question: System Settings -> File Associations -> [html & xhtml+xml] -> Embedding -> Move WebKit to the top of the list. Not very obvious :)
[12:38] <sgomes> James147: nope, everything's the same
[12:41] <amgarching> so, KDE was upgraded. Rebooting. Wish me luck
[12:42] <James147> sgomes: hmmm, seems mine is also Ign :S might be a problem their end? you could wait abit and retry
[12:43] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. another question:   I am just trying out akonadi together with google mail contacts/calender...  seems like import of contacts works.. but many of them are  incomplete...   any idea whats going on here? is aknoadi ready for use in 4.5 ?
[12:44] <st33l> hello im having toruble installing sis mirage
[12:44] <st33l> any help
[12:44] <James147> howlymowly: my guess is that it would be the resource plugin for google isent quit ready yet :) I have the same ehre and calendars wont shot up either
[12:45] <st33l> hello
[12:45] <James147> st33l: hi ^^
[12:45] <howlymowly> hmmm...  kk..  what a pity :)  because with kde4.5 this is the first time I came so far to sync my cal/contacts with google..
[12:45] <st33l> hi james
[12:46] <howlymowly> this is one of the things I am really looking forward to in KDE :)
[12:46] <st33l> i cant seem too get sis mirage driver installed
[12:46] <st33l> any idea?
[12:46] <James147> howlymowly: yeah, looks like they still need alittle more time to get it working properlly :)
[12:46] <st33l> i have the log with me.
[12:46] <James147> st33l: dont know what that is
[12:47] <sgomes> James147: ok, so looks like for some reason it's only trying the translation stuff, any idea why it won't try the actual package repository?
[12:48] <James147> sgomes: are you sure it is?
[12:49] <sgomes> James147: yeah, the only lines in an update, when I grep for "kubuntu-ppa", are of the type "Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ lucid/main Translation-en_US"
[12:51] <James147> sgomes:  thats the only one I have (apart from the ubuntu.com backports, but I dont think thats what you want)
[12:51] <sgomes> hmm, odd, I figured it'd show in the log
[12:51] <sgomes> ok, so I guess the problem is not there
[12:51] <James147> ^^ well except mine is *en_GB  :)
[12:53] <sgomes> James147: ok, so if I open KPackageKit, it seems the packages are there
[12:53] <sgomes> 4.5.0b
[12:53] <sgomes> is this the right stuff?
[12:53] <James147> sgomes: thats them... so you had them all along ;P
[12:53] <sgomes> odd
[12:53] <sgomes> I wonder why upgrade isn't picking them up?
[12:53] <James147> sgomes: best to do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to install them
[12:54] <sgomes> James147: well, that doesn't find anything to upgrade
[12:54] <James147> sgomes: what "upgrade" command are you using?
[12:55] <sgomes> I've tried apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade
[12:55] <sgomes> none of them picks anything up
[12:56] <James147> thats weird :S
[12:56] <sgomes> s/apt-get -upgrade/apt-get upgrade
[12:56] <sgomes> yeah, kind of odd
[12:56] <sgomes> oh well, I suppose I'll force the upgrade via KPackageKit
[12:56] <James147> sgomes: can you do that?
[12:56] <sgomes> James147: I can try :)
[12:57] <yofel> sgomes: just curious, what does 'apt-cache policy kdelibs5' tell you?
[12:58] <sgomes> yofel: is it safe to paste ~10 lines in the channel?
[12:58] <yofel> !paste
[12:59] <sgomes> thanks :)
[12:59] <yofel> ;)
[13:00] <sgomes> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476404/
[13:02] <yofel> that looks like it being blocked by a package pin on the older version
[13:03] <sgomes> aha
[13:03] <sgomes> let me look through the conf.d stuff, then
[13:04] <yofel> should be set in preferences[.d]
[13:04] <sgomes> oh, right
[13:07] <nicolas_> hie everyone
[13:07] <nicolas_> fench people here?
[13:07] <James147> !fr | nicolas_
[13:09] <nicolas_> i have an issue with device notifier , it doesn't see my cds
[13:09] <James147> nicolas_: are they blank cds?
[13:10] <nicolas_> no it-s data cd
[13:10] <nicolas_> usb key works
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920221] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920224] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920227] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Medium Error [current]
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920230] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920233] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 05 2f ca 00 00 02 00
[13:10] <nicolas_> [ 5129.920239] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1359656
[13:10] <FloodBotK2> nicolas_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:11] <nicolas_> oups sorry for flood
[13:12] <nicolas_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476411/
[13:13] <nicolas_> this is my dmesg output
[13:13] <phoenix_> i have downloaded kubuntu 10 4 months back.
[13:14] <sgomes> aha, success! :)
[13:14] <sgomes> installing now
[13:14] <sgomes> thanks James147 and yofel !
[13:15] <phoenix_> will the kubuntu 10.04 iso available in the web page be newer than the previously downloaded
[13:16] <James147> phoenix_: the iso will be the same unless the version has changed
[13:16] <phoenix_> James147: does the new iso contain the updates till date
[13:17] <James147> phoenix_: not sure But I would think so (although I dont think there is a newer one yet)
[13:18] <phoenix_> should i use the old one and update or download the new one and install. what do you recommend
[13:19] <phoenix_> James147: should i use the old one and update or download the new one and install. what do you recommend
[13:19] <James147> phoenix_: I dont think there is a new one yet
[13:21] <adarsha> My composting has become very slow. i'm using kde 4.4.2 please help
[13:21] <phoenix_> James147: what is your kde version
[13:21] <James147> phoenix_: kde 4.5.0, but lucid has 4.4.2 by default
[13:22] <phoenix_> James147: did you enabled the backports to get kde 4.5?
[13:22] <James147> phoenix_: yes
[13:22] <phoenix_> James147: is it stable?
[13:23] <James147> phoenix_: I find it more responsive then 4.4.x
[13:24] <phoenix_> James147: ok. see you after a reinstall
[13:28] <skramer_> anybody here did upgrade to KDE SC 4.5.0 on amd64 architecture?
[13:30] <skramer_> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade gives me 18 packackes to update & 158 to be blocked
[13:31] <skramer_> what am I doing wrong?
[13:32] <yofel> you'll need to have to do a dist-upgrade, it needs to remove a few packages
[13:32] <yofel> or full-upgrade for aptitude
[13:33] <skramer_> yofel: you mean aptitude full-upgrade?
[13:33] <yofel> yes
[13:34] <skramer_> yofel: that seems like wiping the whole 4.4.5 & pulling in the 4.5.0 instead, right?
[13:35] <yofel> well, most packages should be upgraded, but a few libraries need to be replaced with newer versions
[13:36] <James147> ^^ there are also some package renames so will look like imporant stuff is being removed
[13:43] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:44] <floown> I can't use imap in Kontact since the upgrade to KDE 4.5
[13:44] <floown> what packet should I manually install?
[13:46] <glaucous> Are the KDE 4.5 packages in Release state now? From the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa?
[13:47] <James147> glaucous: I beleave so
[13:47] <glaucous> I'm getting 108 blocked packages now, when adding the backports ppa, is this normal?
[13:48] <James147> glaucous: yes, run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[13:49] <glaucous> James147: Quite a lot of packages there
[13:49] <James147> glaucous: you are upgrading the WHOLE of kde :)
[13:50] <glaucous> James147: Hehe. And it should be safe doing this?
[13:50] <James147> glaucous: should... ;) you can run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" after to make sure if you want :)
[13:50] <glaucous> Alright, here we go
[13:51] <James147> glaucous: some have had it break, but that was yesterday when things where still being built :) it should be fine now
[13:51] <howlymowly> iok.. and now my question: my nepomuk indexes all files and so on... only problem: when i use the nepomuk plug-in in krunner it never shows the "name" of a nepomuk indexed file.. it is always "resource"  https://photos-2.dropbox.com/i/o/4q4_IpO7GUoHohDLSlWF6kkiWsxGG3LbuAXdggofACI/6602612/1281618000/9e1e033
[13:51] <killown> how can i update for kde 4.5?
[13:51] <James147> killown: see topic
[13:51] <glaucous> James147: Although is seems like all packages are marked beta
[13:51] <James147> howlymowly: same here... just deleted my index to see if that will help (waiting on it to rebuild)
[13:53] <killown> James147, thanks
[13:59] <killown> where is the kde 4.5 in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[13:59] <killown> its not updating for 4.5
[14:00] <James147> killown: ^^ what did you do with that ppa:...??
[14:00] <killown> apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:01] <James147> killown: then you should beable to "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:01] <killown> ok
[14:01] <killown>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-help_4%3a4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu3~lucid1~ppa4_i386.deb
[14:01] <killown> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:01] <killown> ...
[14:02] <killown> this repos give me a broken system package
[14:03] <glaucous> James147: Should I overwrite "Configuration file `/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc'", or is it compatible with the old kde 4.0?
[14:06] <James147> glaucous: wouldnt think it should break :) but then I would overwrite it if you havent made any changes to it your self
[14:06] <glaucous> James147: What setting file is it, cant find it?
[14:06] <glaucous> What part of KDE that is
[14:07] <rethus> if ui run kpackagekit, i have many conflicts and packages which are blocked. i Heard, thats cause of kde 4.5 released. How can i upgrade saftly?
[14:07] <James147> glaucous: kdmrc is the kdm (the login screen) settings file
[14:07] <glaucous> James147: Then i can probably just overwrite
[14:08] <rethus> have done aptitude safe-upgrade, but there are still many blocked packages at all
[14:08] <James147> rethus: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:08] <James147> rethus: ^^ or aptitude full-upgrade
[14:08] <James147> safe-upgrade isnt enough for a new kde version
[14:08] <rethus> k
[14:08] <glaucous> Now I'm gonna try restart, exciting
[14:09] <rethus> are there known problems ?
[14:09] <James147> rethus: not atm as far as I know...
[14:09] <rethus> thanks for information
[14:10] <James147> rethus: if in doupt install kubuntu-desktop after to be on the safe side :)
[14:10] <mdlr> Hello guys! I would like to ask a short question: I am trying to configure a dial up connection via bluetooth and my mobilephone. I already got it to work through configuring rfcomm.conf, restarting bluetooth and configuring kppp. For some reason - the file and kppp are definetely correctly configured - the bluetooth module seems not to work right. when trying to dail up, kppp sais that it can't find the serial port rfcomm0. i can't start bluetooth correctly
[14:10] <mdlr> via /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart. what could be the reasons for the bluetooth module not working correctly?
[14:11] <afink> anyone else having an issue where there kde flakes out and you get your gnome background with gnome things when you right click?
[14:13] <mdlr> anyone got an idea...? under which conditions is bluetooth itself not working correctly?
[14:14] <rethus> how can i do this?
[14:15] <afink> for my issue see this: http://picpaste.com/pics/wtfkde.1281532457.png check out the right click menu....not kde
[14:18] <glaucous> I like the notification area in kde 4.5, looks a bit nicer :)
[14:18] <Torch> afink: does plasma still work? can you use the panel at the bottom?
[14:18] <afink> yep
[14:24] <aljosa> i've updated kde to v4.5 and Ctrl+Alt+V for Klipper popup doesn't work although it's defined in global shortcuts. any idea howto fix this?
[14:26] <afink> maybe I should try upgrading to 4,5?
[14:28] <Torch> afink: looks like it's a nautilus problem: http://identi.ca/conversation/44495643#notice-44820622
[14:29] <afink> yep thats exactly it, thank you!
[14:30] <floown> what the name of the packet of the kio slave for imap, please?
[14:32] <glaucous> I'm having a problem (which I had before KDE 4.5 as well), that I'm getting quite low FPS when resizing Windows. It's low even when composition is turned off. I have ATI latest drivers.
[14:33] <Torch> floown: kdepimlibs-kio-plugins
[14:33] <floown> Torch: it still installed :\
[14:34] <Torch> floown: like i said on #kde, it's probably not that the pacakge is missing
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's a known issue with the proprietary ATI drivers for a while now... You may try going to System Settings -> Window Behavior -> Window Behavior and untick "Display content in resizing windows" in the "moving" tab
[14:34] <floown> Torch: so what the problem?
[14:35] <Torch> floown: what version of this package do you have installed?
[14:35] <Torch> floown: dpkg -l kdepimlibs-kio-plugins will tell you
[14:35] <floown> 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[14:36] <Torch> floown: alright, that's the right one, it seems.
[14:38] <Torch> floown: i'm a little at a loss now at how to further help you.... we could go the full kdebug-output-route but that's a long process and i'm short on time.
[14:39] <floown> Torch: nop, thx
[15:15] <Maruno> Hey all. Has anyone succesfully upgraded to KDE 4.5? Aptitude tells me some dependency problems between freespacenotifier and kdebase-workspace-data and wants to delete kdevelop, libqt4-support and libqt4-phonon :S
[15:16] <Maruno> Sorry, that's libqt4-assistant
[15:16] <DarthFrog> Maruno: Yep.  4.5 is running fine.
[15:17] <anxel> hola
[15:17] <anxel> alguien que hable castellano
[15:17] <anxel> ?
[15:17] <Pici> !es | anxel
[15:24] <alvin> Maruno: bug 615902. I see similar messages. Ridell says libqt4-assitant and libqt4-phonon are no longer needed, but I'm happily ignoring those warnings and am downloading the updates.
[15:27] <Maruno> Thanks alvin! :) I'll do that aswell and ignore the freespacenotifier recommendation from kubuntu-dekstop. Only thing left is kdevelop :S
[15:29] <pushkaraj> Hi if i scroll my mouse on taskbar, the focus cycles thru the open window, do anyone know how can i disable this?
[15:31] <James147> pushkaraj: think thats the "highlight window" desktop effect
[15:31] <pushkaraj> James147: ok,let me chck
[15:32] <James147> pushkaraj: o sorry, miss read its not that :)
[15:33] <pushkaraj> James147: yes was telling the same - desktop effects is disabled on my machine
[15:34] <James147> not sure that can be disabled (at least I cannot see a way)
[15:35] <pushkaraj> James147: go to settings->desktop->desktop effects; in general tab, deselect the "enable desktop effects" checkbox
[15:37] <James147> pushkaraj: I mean the scrolling on the task manager
[15:39] <pushkaraj> oh
[15:39] <pushkaraj> ok
[15:39] <staar2> hello
[15:40] <staar2> i got problems with booting up the windows xp after ubuntu installation
[15:40] <staar2> it wont just boot
[15:40] <staar2> i use grub 1.98*
[15:40] <staar2> where i can find some tutorial ?
[15:41] <James147> !grub2 | staar2
[15:41] <staar2> why it shows version 1.98 ?
[15:42] <James147> staar2: because thats the version of grub2 that you ahve
[15:42] <staar2> ok
[15:44] <raven24> is there any progress on kdevelop packages? I hate using kate for coding...
[15:45] <alvin> Well, the upgrade to 4.5 worked, but not without using '-f' twice because of libqt4-help that halted the dist-upgrade
[15:46] <Renegade15> good day
[15:47] <dotnetted> Hey all -- I just installed the kde desktop package to use KDE instead of Gnome - After I log in all I can see is a terminal window and the KDE desktop background - My resolution is way too big so I can't read anything in the terminal - Any suggestions? (There is nothing on the screen except for a small terminal window and right-clicking the desktop does nothing)
[15:48] <alvin> Kontact still works, but restarting akonadi shows me a nice backtrace
[15:49] <Renegade15> dotnetted: Can you move around on the screen?
[15:50] <Renegade15> as in, does going to the edge of the screen move the desktop?
[15:50] <dotnetted> Renegade15: Yep - I can also see the desktop background
[15:50] <dotnetted> Renegade15: No it does not
[15:50] <Renegade15> okay, do you see a weird bean-like symbol in the top right corner?
[15:51] <dotnetted> Renegade15: No bean-like symbol ;)
[15:52] <Renegade15> could you try starting plasma-desktop in the terminal?
[15:52] <dotnetted> Renegade15: The mouse pointer is contrained to the visible screen area (doesn't scroll), the resolution is so high the terminal window that is open is unreadable, and right-clicking the desktop does nothing. The monitor is a 50in TV and Gnome has been working fine on it.
[15:53] <dotnetted> Renegade15: Starting plasma-desktop seemed to get everything working
[15:53] <Renegade15> as in, the resolution fixed itself?
[15:54] <dotnetted> Renegade15: The bottom toolbar showed up, the bean showed up, and the resolution is still way to big
[15:54] <Renegade15> ah, okay
[15:55] <dotnetted> Renegade15: I'm sure I can figure out how to adjust the resolution now - why did I have to run plasma-desktop manually though?
[15:55] <Renegade15> I have no idea, honestly...given the appearance of the terminal, I'm wondering if you ended up in some kind of safe mode
[15:55] <Renegade15> maybe try rebooting and see if it goes into KDE normally
[15:55] <dotnetted> Renegade15: Thanks for all the help - I'll try that now
[15:56] <Renegade15> not a problem
[15:58] <dotnetted> Is there a quick and easy way to change the resolution to 800x600 from terminal - I just realized I can't read anything well enough to change it through the menus
[16:01] <Renegade15> I think there was something...let me find a hotkey list
[16:03] <raven24> dotnetted: xrandr can set screen resolution
[16:04] <raven24> something like
[16:04] <raven24> xrandr -output VGA -mode 1024x768
[16:04] <raven24> xrandr --output VGA --mode 1024x768
[16:05] <lumm> hi, anythink i can do to avoid this 2 x windows alltray and gajim causing here. -> http://i34.tinypic.com/soo8cw.png just upgraded to 4.5
[16:06] <dotnetted> raven24: thanks
[16:12] <Renegade15> to pose my own question: After an update last night, the device monitor/notification plasmoid insists on being gigantic...we're talking a fifth of the screen or so. Everything else seems to work fine, and after removing the plasmoid, all looks well, but now I obviously don't get USB device notifications and stuff...is there a way to force a plasmoid into a certain size?
[16:13] <Magix-> Hello.
[16:13] <Magix-> I have a question.
[16:13] <Magix-> I just did dist-upgrade and when i rebooted i got a black screen with alittle ^ rightbelow,
[16:14] <Magix-> Help please.
[16:14] <Renegade15> that's a little vague...what did you upgrade from and to, and how far did it boot?
[16:15] <Magix-> from KDE 4.4.2 to KDE 4.5
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Magix-, no bash prompt ?
[16:15] <Magix-> After i pressed enter in grub. It says a _ then when i has to start it outputs the ^
[16:15] <ubuntu> hello i have an ecryptfs problem
[16:15] <Renegade15> and how far did it boot? like, is it failing at grub, is it failing at X, is it failing inside KDE?
[16:15] <Magix-> No bash problem.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Magix-, try the previous kernel in grub , then install kubuntu-desktop again
[16:17] <Magix-> Hmm?
[16:17] <ubuntu> i cant access my private directory, because i installed new kubuntu
[16:17] <Magix-> The recovery?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> it might boot , it's worth a try
[16:18] <Renegade15> recovery would be the next step if the previous kernel doesn't work
[16:18] <Magix-> How to previous kernel :s
[16:18] <Magix-> I'm a windows g33k
[16:18] <Renegade15> usually, you have multiple entries in grub
[16:18] <Magix-> and its the first time i installed kubuntu.
[16:18] <Magix-> I have.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> in grub , choose the kernel below the default
[16:18] <Renegade15> two for each kernel version
[16:18] <Magix-> I know;.
[16:18] <Magix-> But it outputs the same
[16:18] <Magix-> I tried the other one.
[16:19] <Renegade15> ah, unfortunate
[16:19] <Magix-> I got still a Windows XP running too.
[16:19] <Renegade15> then yes, recovery mode would be an option
[16:19] <DarthFrog> Magix-: What video card do you have?
[16:19] <Magix-> If someone is dutch. It will be easier.
[16:19] <Magix-> Darthfrog: Kubuntu worked before i upgraded KDE>
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !nl
[16:20] <scott_l> Hi all
[16:20] <scott_l> Just upgraded to kde 4.5..
[16:20] <DarthFrog> Magix-: I'm wondering if the upgrade didn't also install a new kernel (there was a new one the other day) and you don't have a proper kernel module now.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> that's why I use gnome as a backup , seems disloyal but it works :)
[16:21] <Magix-> DarthFrog: First i had one Kubuntu, one recovery, 2 memory check , 1 windows
[16:21] <Magix-> Now i have 2 kubuntu, 2 recovery, 1 windows.
[16:21] <Renegade15> if it is a graphics issue, graphics failsafe mode should fix it...but I've never had a graphics failure send me to a caret
[16:21] <scott_l> File search in krunner is giving me errors: Items show up labelled just as 'Resource', and trying to open them gives a "Malformed URL" error.
[16:21] <DarthFrog> Renegade15: True.
[16:22] <scott_l> Anyone else seeing this or knows how to fix it? I've deleted & rebuilt the nepomuk DB, to no avail.
[16:22] <Magix-> When i tried failsafeX it returns to the recovery menu.,...
[16:24] <Renegade15> hmm...I see there are more updates. Gonna try those to see if they fix my issue
[16:24] <Renegade15> bbs
[16:28] <staar2> could any pro help me with missing hal.dll problem http://www.comitservices.com/wp/?p=12 its same problem as here
[16:28] <BluesKaj> unfortunately, some kernel source modules aren't recognizing the hardware ..didn't notice if a new kernel was installed with kde 4.5
[16:29]  * BluesKaj has to remember to be more vigilant
[16:30] <Magix-> But when i press Ctrl Alt F5 i can enter the console.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> staar2, linux doesn't use dlls
[16:32] <Renegade15> nope, that did nothing
[16:32] <Renegade15> so, anyone any ideas? xD
[16:32] <staar2> BluesKaj: yes i know but win uses
[16:32] <Pici> staar2: Try ##windows then
[16:32] <staar2> thats booting problem
[16:32] <BluesKaj> staar2, go askm in #windows
[16:34] <DarthFrog> staar2: The best solution is to delete Windows entirely.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> ok  , Magix- run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:35] <Magix-> BluesKaj: Done. Now what
[16:35] <Magix-> Hallo david
[16:35] <davidtje> hi
[16:35] <davidtje> where am i ?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> Magix-, kubuntu-desktop is usually missing after the dist-upgrade , then sudo apt-get update and upgrade again
[16:36] <Magix-> Ok.
[16:36] <DarthFrog> davidtje: On Sol III.
[16:36] <Magix-> BluesKaj: done.
[16:36] <Magix-> Now?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> 3rd planet from the sun , davidtje
[16:36] <davidtje> hahaha
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Magix-, try to boot kubuntu
[16:37] <Magix-> davidtje: Nederlands?
[16:37] <Magix-> BluesKaj: Ok.
[16:37] <BluesKaj> sudo reboot
[16:37] <davidtje> i mean i just istaled konversasion. and when i startet it i came to this channel, but what kind o channel is this ?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> kubuntu support char davidtje
[16:38] <BluesKaj> chat
[16:38] <DarthFrog> !topic | davidtje
[16:38] <davidtje> ah ubuntu support
[16:38] <Magix-> BluesKaj: Thank you soo much!
[16:38] <Renegade15> Kubuntu >_>
[16:38] <Renegade15> we're not the gnomes
[16:39] <davidtje> is this a kind of q&a section
[16:40] <DarthFrog> davidtje: Pretty much, yes.  Frequently though, there may be many more q's than a's.
[16:42] <davidtje> ok, sorry to hav botherd you, i'l browse the net to search for chat servers now, thank you for your help
[16:42] <BluesKaj> davidtje,  if you want to configure konversation one can do so by adding other irc servers in the server list. Konversation doesn't auto populate it's server list
[16:43] <davidtje> ok but i do not know any servers. il browse the net to find some
[16:44] <BluesKaj> right , this chat is on freenode.irc
[16:44] <Renegade15> maybe https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#Networks will be of help
[16:56] <reagle> Using 4.5ppa: I'm having real trouble with Klipper, it's shortcut key doesn't work, and then I can't dismiss it. The shortcut bug can be hacked by disabling it in the global config and setting it in system tray (244620). But how do I make the bloody pop up go away after some period?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> click on the klipper icon in the panel , the popup should disappear
[17:05] <solifugus> Has anyone here used Debian on an IBM mainframe?
[17:05] <Pici> solifugus: Try #debian , this channel is for Kubuntu support.
[17:06] <solifugus> oops...  thought i was typing in debian
[17:28] <raven24> is there any progress on kdevelop packages for 4.5? I don't like using kate for coding...
[17:29] <omicron23> hi there. I am using ubuntu 10.04 without a kde desktop at the moment. I want to install KDE SC 4.5.0 but synaptic only offers packages for the version 4.4. Can you help me with the installation of version 4.5.0 ?
[17:29] <Renegade15> I think I got mine from the backports ppa last night
[17:29] <Renegade15> let me check
[17:33] <omicron23> Renegade15, my network connection dropped. In case you said anything to me, can you repeat it?
[17:34] <Renegade15> it looks like all the 4.5.0 stuff I've listed in apt is from the backports ppa
[17:34] <BluesKaj> omicron23, sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  then sudo apt-get update, then ,  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:36] <omicron23> BluesKaj, thanks! upgrading now.. =)
[17:36] <omicron23> Renegade15, thanks as well!
[17:37] <Magix> Hello.
[17:37] <Magix> I have two questions.
[17:37] <Magix> 1. All sound works except Firefox.
[17:37] <Magix> How to fix that.
[17:38] <Magix> 2. When i boot the game teeworlds my screen says: Input not supported.
[17:38] <Magix> How to fix those?
[17:38] <Renegade15> I vaguely remember one of the sound environments (pulse?) offers per-application sound settings
[17:38] <Renegade15> could be that
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Magix, try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras again
[17:39] <DarthFrog> Magix: The "Input not supported" means that the games video output is trying to use a resolution that your monitor cannot provide.  You will have to change the game's rez.
[17:39] <Magix> Darthfrog: that is a game that has to be runned from the termianl
[17:40] <Magix> terminal
[17:40] <Magix> Dont know how to change.
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Magix: Neither do I.  But that's what's going on.
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Probably, that is. :-)
[17:41] <Magix> BluesKaj: Installing
[17:41] <Magix> BluesKaj: It installes .exe's :p
[17:42] <Magix> BluesKaj: It are fonts.
[17:42] <bigbrovar> Hey guys, anyone running kde 4.5 on kubuntu 10.04 having issues with nepomuk? Its has been acting up ever since I upgraded from kde 4.5 RC2 to  the final release. search via dolphin no longer works :S
[17:43] <BluesKaj>  Magix , it's a lot of media stuff
[17:43] <Magix> Ok.
[17:43] <Magix> Does someone knows Teeworlds ?
[17:43] <Magix> http://teeworlds.com/
[17:43] <Magix> How to change the resolution of that
[17:43] <BluesKaj> !kubuintu-restricted-extras | Magix
[17:44] <Magix> BluesKaj: Its done.
[17:44] <BluesKaj> oops
[17:44] <Magix> Restarting Firefox
[17:45] <Magix> Still nothing :/
[17:45] <BluesKaj> Magix, no sound ?
[17:45] <DarthFrog> Magix: That teeworlds page says it has a support section for those needing help.  That'll be the best place for you to go.
[17:45] <debfx> Magix: teeworlds starts in windowed mode by default
[17:46] <Magix> debfx: Not here!
[17:46] <Renegade15> Magix: Does sound work in other applications at the same time?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> gamers...bah :)
[17:46] <Magix> Yes.
[17:46] <Magix> Renegade15: yes.
[17:46] <Magix> brb
[17:46] <Renegade15> in multiple other applications at the same time?
[17:47] <Renegade15> asking because it's possible some application is hogging the audio hardware
[17:48] <Renegade15> anyway, I updated some more, let's see if this fixes the damn icon...brb
[17:55] <Renegade15> further updates seem to have fixed it ^^
[17:56] <petr_> hi all
[17:56] <Renegade15> dunno why those didn't end up in the cycle earlier/last night
[17:56] <ranger111> hi all
[17:56] <ranger111> LICQ does not work!   how to loging?   how to create of customer user???
[17:58] <ranger111> WHAT?????????????????????????
[17:58] <glaucous> My desktop effects have stopped working.  Its has been acting up ever since I upgraded from kde 4.5 RC2 to the final release. search via dolphin no longer works :S
[17:59] <ranger111> maco ))
[17:59] <ranger111> maco  terrable message
[18:00] <ranger111> maco LICQ does not work!   how to loging?   how to create of customer user???
[18:00] <maco> ranger111: i dont know, but you need to learn some patience
[18:00] <Renegade15> have you checked the licq documentation?
[18:00] <ranger111> maco   shit licq
[18:04] <dominguez> holaaaaaaaaaaa
[18:06] <BluesKaj> hi dominguez
[18:07] <dominguez> hola
[18:07] <dominguez> q tal
[18:07] <DarthFrog> !es | dominguez
[18:09] <bigbrovar> is anyone having issues with nepumok on after upgrading to kde 4.5 from RC2 on kubuntu lucid. A yes or no would do please :) I just want to know if its a common problem or if am alone :)
[18:09] <dominguez> gracias
[18:13] <Magix> BluesKaj:  The sound still doenst work.
[18:13] <Magix> Should i logout and login?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> yeah , dunno what else
[18:15] <Renegade15> Magix
[18:15] <mweijts> I'm Missing Alsa in phonon ( only have pulseaudio there ) Multimedia > System settings > Phonon
[18:16] <Magix> still doesnt work.
[18:16] <bigbrovar> smh
[18:16] <DarthFrog> mweijts: Same with me.
[18:16] <mweijts> Magix: I'm Missing Alsa in phonon ( only have pulseaudio there ) Multimedia > System settings > Phonon
[18:17] <BluesKaj> mweijts, di you upgrade to kde 4.5 ?
[18:17] <mweijts> yes
[18:17] <Magix> mweijts: Then? Because the normal sound does work. but not firefox
[18:17] <BluesKaj> try alsamixer in the terminal, mweijts
[18:17] <Renegade15> Magix, do you have a terminal at hand?
[18:17] <Magix> Renegade15: Yes.
[18:18] <Renegade15> try sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[18:18] <bigbrovar> I guess no one here upgraded to kde 4.5 and if there did they dont use nepomuk hence cant comfirm if it works on their system. That or the Kubuntu channel sucks.
[18:18] <Renegade15> I'm rather sure I disabled nepomuk for being utterly annoying
[18:18] <Magix> Renegade15:
[18:18] <Magix> sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[18:18] <Magix>                      USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
[18:18] <Magix> /dev/snd/controlC0:  magix      2945 F.... kmix
[18:18] <Magix> /dev/snd/controlC1:  magix      2945 F.... kmix
[18:18] <Magix> /dev/snd/controlC2:  magix      2811 F.... knotify4
[18:18] <Magix>                      magix      2945 F.... kmix
[18:18] <FloodBotK2> Magix: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:19] <Magix> Ok
[18:20] <Magix> Renegade15: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476525/
[18:20] <Magix> It outputs that
[18:20] <Renegade15> hmm, I got kmix and knotify...only one kmix, but still, it looks alright
[18:20] <KukuNut> Magix: open kmix and see if the channels are in mute
[18:21] <bigbrovar> Renegade15: It actually been working fine since kde 4.3 this issue am having with kde 4.5 is rather strange :(
[18:21] <Renegade15> Magix: as said, I do think pulse can set application-dependent audio settings, so it is possible FF is just muted on its own
[18:21] <mweijts> Renegade15: http://paste.ubuntu.com/476526/ another one
[18:22] <mfraz74> still not sure about the way KRunner behaves in KDE 4.5
[18:23] <mweijts> BluesKaj: alsamixer seems working
[18:24] <BluesKaj> mweijts, make sure the ctrls are all turned up and unmuted with M key , or at least the ctrls that you want to use.
[18:24] <Renegade15> interestingly, mweijts' paste suggests pulseaudio would appear in the output...which would imply Magix isn't running pulse
[18:24] <Renegade15> which, in turn, would rule out per-application audio settings
[18:24] <Renegade15> ...unless ALSA/OSS added that by now
[18:25] <KukuNut> pulseaudio is known not to play well with amarok/kde
[18:26] <KukuNut> don't have it
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Renegade15, much to my chagrin pulseaudio is now in my audio path as well , after doing  your cmnd ...dunno if I should be happy or upset  :)
[18:27]  * BluesKaj not a PA fan
[18:28] <Renegade15> is there anybody at all who likes it?
[18:28]  * DarthFrog is about to try Amarok with PA.
[18:28]  * maco uses amarok with pa just fine
[18:28] <Renegade15> I think I had it in use for exactly as long as it took to switch to alsa
[18:28] <DarthFrog> I can haz sound! :-)
[18:29] <mweijts> Blueskaj : Alsamixer was not Unmuted all channels are 100%
[18:30] <BluesKaj> mweijts, ok
[18:31] <Renegade15> Magix: That is a rather befuddling problem you have there...how exactly are you trying to play sound in firefox?
[18:34] <Magix> Renegade15: YouTube.
[18:34] <Magix> Renegade15:  FIXED
[18:34] <Magix> by reboot :p
[18:35] <Renegade15> all hail magic self-fixes
[18:35] <mweijts> brb gonna reboot
[18:35] <Renegade15> I'm guessing flash wasn't initialized properly
[18:35] <Renegade15> or just plain crashed
[18:35] <Renegade15> what version of FF are you running?
[18:35] <Magix> Newest :p
[18:35] <Magix> From KDE
[18:36] <Renegade15> well, newest from canonical repos doesn't mean newest existing ;)
[18:36] <Renegade15> I'm asking 'cause they recently added functionality to notice and restart crashed plugins, including flash
[18:51] <aovidal> what are graphic drivers that it comes kubuntu 10.04 default?
[18:52] <DarthFrog> aovidal: There are a large number of them.
[18:52] <aovidal> i have an Ati radeon 42000
[18:52] <aovidal> 4200 sory
[18:53] <DarthFrog> aovidal: It would be the radeon driver.
[18:53] <aovidal> radeon driver is private!
[18:53] <aovidal> any free?
[18:54] <aovidal> how about envy ng?
[18:54] <DarthFrog> aovidal: the radeon driver is free.  The fglrx is proprietary.
[18:54] <DarthFrog> aovidal: You asked what the default drivers are.
 yes. how can i know what driver i have install?
 any command?
[18:56] <DarthFrog> aovidal: Try " apt-cache search | grep radeon".
[18:56] <DarthFrog> That'll tell you what is available for installation.
[18:57] <DarthFrog> "dpkg --list | grep radeon"  will tell you what is already installed.
[18:57] <DarthFrog> And "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" will tell you what driver is currently being used.
[18:59] <KukuNut> aovidal: if you want free use the vesa
 Tnks men! ;) I take note. I ask this because i installed kubuntu 10.04 and it has graphic install default!
[19:03] <gp[8]> ih guys...is normal if I try to upgrade to KDE 4.5 the follows packages must be removed?
[19:03] <gp[8]> freespacenotifier kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data libkfontinst4
[19:03] <gp[8]>   libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4
[19:03] <gp[8]>   libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 libprocesscore4
[19:03] <gp[8]>   libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libsolidcontrol4 libtaskmanager4
[19:03] <gp[8]>   libweather-ion4
[19:03] <FloodBotK2> gp[8]: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:04] <gp[8]> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476546/
[19:06] <Renegade15> gp[8]: I did an update just earlier and I distinctly remember freespacenotifier being on top of a list of around 14 packages being removed
[19:06] <Renegade15> kwin was among them as well, iirc
[19:06] <Renegade15> did the update, rebooted, worked fine, even fixed the issue I had
[19:07] <Renegade15> so I assume it is indeed normal
[19:08] <gp[8]> Renegade15: thank you...I trust you... :D
[19:09] <Renegade15> my history.log says:
[19:09] <Renegade15> Remove: kdebase-plasma (4.4.2-0ubuntu2), libprocessui4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libtaskmanager4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), kwin (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), freespacenotifier (0.0svn1061317-0ubuntu1), libkwineffects1 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libkfontinst4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), khelpcenter (4.4.2-0ubuntu4.1), libplasmaclock4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libweather-ion4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libsolidcontrol4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14), libproces
[19:09] <Renegade15> score4 (4.4.2-0ubuntu14)
[19:09] <FloodBotK2> Renegade15: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:10] <Renegade15> for two lines? my word we're sensitive
[19:10] <v3nd3tta``> no, for more than hundred letters in one line
[19:11] <Renegade15> I see
[19:12] <gp[8]> ok...thanks mr. ;)
[19:13] <gp[8]> your log is like my log
[19:16] <bamyasi> hi everybody!
[19:16] <Renegade15> hello
[19:17] <bamyasi> can someone advise me if it is now safe to upgrade to JDE 4.5?
[19:17] <bamyasi> KDE 4.5 ;)
[19:18] <bamyasi> apt still wants to remove a bunch of packages (Lucid, amd64)
[19:18] <Renegade15> they wouldn't happen to include freespacenotifier?
[19:18] <j800r> hey, i'm having a problem with my webcam. when i first plug it in and run cheese it looks flawless, but as soon as i run kopete and settings it messes the picture up for both kopete AND Cheese :\
[19:19] <bamyasi> Renegade15: yes but this is probably not the one I am concerned of
[19:20] <Renegade15> gp[8] and I just discussed this
[19:20] <bamyasi> Renegade15: kdebase-plasma kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data-common are what looks suspicious
[19:20] <Renegade15> I did that same update earlier and it worked fine
[19:20] <gp[8]> I'm updating right now
[19:21] <Renegade15> I guess you can just wait if gp[8] survives it as well
[19:21] <bamyasi> Renegade15: thanks
[19:21] <j800r> no one then? :\
[19:21] <gp[8]> Renegade15: lol I hope to survive :D
[19:22] <bamyasi> Renegade15: life is tough anyway, let's see...
[19:22] <Renegade15> sorry, j800r, no idea. sounds like kopete messes with the settings
[19:23] <j800r> it's annoying. the cam is fully linux certified
[19:23] <j800r> most logitech ones are tbh
[19:25] <bamyasi> gp[8]: keep talking to us :)
[19:26] <gp[8]> :)
[19:26] <Renegade15> soon, it'll be all "apt-get sees a white light; would you like to move towards it? y/n"
[19:27] <Magix> >,<
[19:27] <AndreS_> lol!
[19:29] <bamyasi> gp[8]: which arch, is it amd64? there were specific problems with amd64 build
[19:30] <gp[8]> amd64
[19:32] <gp[8]> ok guys I'm rebooting... if I not come back you know... :D
[19:32] <gp[8]> see you later...I hope... lol
[19:32] <Renegade15> good luck
[19:32] <bamyasi> gp[8], good luck :)
[19:43] <gp[8]> ok guys, I still alive :D
[19:43] <Renegade15> hooray!
[19:44] <gp[8]> lol
[19:45] <bamyasi> gp[8], welcome back :)
[19:45] <bamyasi> gp[8], how bad it was?
[19:46] <gp[8]> lol the life with kde 4.5 is beautifull :D
[19:47] <gp[8]> no bad...too easy to be true lol
[19:55] <gio_gt> gp[8]: so is KDE 4.5 out already?
[19:56] <gp[8]> yes
[19:56] <gp[8]> and works
[20:00] <gio_gt> I got disconnected
[20:00] <gio_gt> gp[8]: I don't see kde 4.5 in kubuntu 10.4 repos yet, though
[20:01] <Pici> gio_gt: See the channel topic
[20:01] <marcosrorizOMG> Guys I'm with a little problem here on Kopete. Every time a contact change it's state I get a notify. How do I change this? I already switched off on the notifications :/
[20:03] <gio_gt> Pici: oh thanks, read it! What are those backports, BTW? Is it the same if I wait KDE 4.5 to be in the official repos? Or maybe it will never go in the official repos, please?
[20:03] <Daskreech> hello
[20:03] <Daskreech> can I install from a USB drive from the Live Cd?
[20:04] <Pici> gio_gt: A backport is when something from a newer release is put into an older release.  So KDE 4.5 was backported from Maverick to Lucid.  And no, you'll never seen 4.5 in the regular repos.
[20:04] <Renegade15> Daskreech: I've never tried that, but I don't see why not...if it has an install option?
[20:05] <e_t_> Daskreech: do you want to install *to* a USB drive from a live CD?
[20:05] <gio_gt> Pici: oh, I see, thanks. Time to add the Kubuntu backport repo, then.
[20:08] <gio_gt> another thing: I would like to know wheter or not is reccomended to install Synaptic on Kubuntu. I don't like all those GNOME dependencies at all, but I like Synaptic
[20:08] <Renegade15> I've been running Synaptic for ages
[20:08] <Renegade15> no problems with it
[20:08] <e_t_> gio_gt: There's nothing wrong with installing Synaptic. It's your computer, do what makes you happy.
[20:09] <gio_gt> ok thanks
[20:09] <gio_gt> I used other distros before and I usually avoided application with too many gnome dependencies, but never mind, I will install it
[20:11] <gio_gt> I don't like very much the KDE Software Manager app, I think it can be fine for a new KDE user, but Synaptic is better (imho)
[20:12] <gio_gt> I was just worried about the gtksudo thing in KDE
[20:12] <Renegade15> I concur
[20:12] <Daskreech> e_t_: no I have a live Cd and  Live USB The Live CD is crashing Ubiquity. The computer can't boot from USB. I'd like to boot the live CD then install from the USB
[20:12] <Renegade15> Daskreech: that could be difficult
[20:13] <Daskreech> gio_gt: can't you use KDEsudo to run any GUI app? Why would you need the gtk interface for that?
[20:13] <Daskreech> Renegade15: I'm realising that. So I have to get a new CD then?
[20:13] <gio_gt> Daskreech: I thought that Synaptic would use gtksudo by default
[20:13] <gio_gt> Daskreech: well, now it finished installing it, I am going to try it
[20:14] <gio_gt> oh, nice, looks like it used kdesudo, it was smart enough
[20:14] <e_t_> Daskreech: I think you would need to make a Syslinux CD or floppy to bootstrap the USB drive. Or, a working Live CD would work too.
[20:14] <Renegade15> Daskreech: I'd say so...then again, I've never been in that situation, diagnosing the crash could be more fruitful
[20:15] <Renegade15> e.g. if the CD is actually fine, and there's a systematic problem with the installer, re-downloading won't help
[20:15] <Renegade15> so the cause of the crash would be interesting
[20:17] <Daskreech> Renegade15: It's Ubiquity when it hits 70% it fails. Pretty sure the data file on the Live CD is corrupted
[20:17] <Daskreech> All hail scratchy media
[20:18] <gio_gt> I am now installing KDE 4.5 from the backport repository, thanks everyone
[20:19] <Renegade15> Daskreech, then burning a new one does indeed sound like a good first attempt
[20:19] <gio_gt> just for the sake of curiosity, is the network manager applet improved? I couldn't configure a system connection with a fixed ID address in KDE 4.4
[20:20] <Renegade15> gio_gt: I have a funky network management icon in the system area that I didn't have before
[20:20] <gio_gt> Renegade15: oh ok :)
[20:21] <Renegade15> it looks shiny and powerful...though I'd rather not click around, since I like my network the way it is ;)
[20:21] <gio_gt> uff, I still cannot understand apt-get, though... it says that some packages are beeing "kept-back" and it doesn't upgrade them
[20:21] <Renegade15> you gotta do dist-upgrade for that
[20:21] <Renegade15> synaptic makes it easier
[20:22] <gio_gt> Renegade15: oh, ok... I used Ubuntu long time ago and it was different, if I remember right
[20:22] <Renegade15> no guarantees, though
[20:22] <Renegade15> I don't know what's being held back there
[20:22] <Renegade15> who knows what your system state is
[20:23] <gio_gt> Renegade15: will a dist-upgrade upgrade to a newer Kubuntu release when it will be available? I don't want that
[20:23] <gio_gt> Renegade15: I mean, when 10.10 will be out, will a dist-upgrade upgrade to 10.10?
[20:23] <Renegade15> provided the 10.10 stuff is accessible, it should; as said, using synaptic is easier
[20:24] <gio_gt> Renegade15: ok, I see, thanks. I watched apt-get and aptitute man pages, looks like that "apt-get dist-upgrade" is the same as "aptitude full-upgrade"
[20:25] <Renegade15> yes
[20:25] <Renegade15> you can use aptitude as well, btw
[20:25] <Renegade15> I'm actually rather sure it's recommended
[20:27] <gio_gt> Renegade15: I remember when I was using Ubuntu the last time that they started to say that we should all start to switch to aptitude. So I guess that now it should be really recommended as you are saying
[20:28] <well_laid_lawn> aptitude is being removed from the next release apparently
[20:28] <Renegade15> xD I see
[20:28] <gio_gt> well_laid_lawn: really?
[20:28] <Renegade15> guess it didn't fare as well as hoped
[20:28] <ovis> Has anyone seen problems with services/daemons in the last two weeks? some of them sometimes don't start on system up on my host.
[20:28] <alvin> well_laid_lawn: Do you have a source for that news?   I have a UPS, but the router is not connected to it yet, I should make a custom cable.
[20:30] <gio_gt> Renegade15: ok, thanks
[20:31] <gio_gt> I meant "damn", not "crap"... I am Italian so sometimes I make mistakes with my english, sorry.
[20:33] <gio_gt> but anyways I am confident, the package manager is very fast in Ubuntu and I have almost finished upgrading :)
[20:34] <Renegade15> good good
[20:36] <gio_gt> it is very annoying, though... I am on holidays and yesterday there was a little heartquake (it's good it didn't do any damage), today a lot of rain, and weather forecasts says it will rain untill sunday. Not very comfortable holidays, unfortunately.
[20:39] <e_t_> Most of the KDE packages are still blocked by my package manager. If I select a full-install in Aptitude, it will attempt to remove all these packages: freespacenotifier{a} kdebase-plasma{a} kdepimlibs-data{a} kdesnake{a} libkfontinst4{a} libkonqsidebarplugin4{a} libkwineffects1{a} libmarble4{a} libplasma-applet-system-monitor4{a} libplasmaclock4{a}
[20:39] <e_t_>   libprocesscore4{a} libprocessui4{a} libqyotoshared1{u} libsolidcontrol4{a} libtaskmanager4{a} libweather-ion4{a}
[20:39] <Renegade15> I'm sorry to hear that, gio_gt - hopefully at least the upgrade will go fine
[20:39] <Renegade15> e_t_ that's normal
[20:40] <e_t_> Renegade15: Won't that nuke KDE on my machine?
[20:40] <Renegade15> I have done it, gp[8] has done it, we're both still here
[20:40] <alvin> e_t_: bug 615902
[20:41] <Renegade15> so if did nuke KDE, it's working surprisingly well for a corpse ;)
[20:41] <e_t_> Is that a KDE or Ubuntu bug?
[20:41] <alvin> kubuntu ppa bug
[20:42] <alvin> There's something wrong with the dependencies and qt4-helper has to be forced to install
[20:42] <gp[8]> Yes, I still here...the upgrade worked fine
[20:43] <alvin> It was a bit scary, but worked. I'm waiting for other packages on my other machines
[20:44] <taxtropel> hello can anyone here answer a question about the new 4.5 release?
[20:45] <Renegade15> ask the question and we will know
[20:46] <taxtropel> ok, well I just upgraded from 4.4.9x to 4.5 and now kde is no longer offered as a session in gdm / kdm
[20:49] <Renegade15> I'm afraid I can't help with that
[20:57] <mkrista> anyone know if the 64bit 4.5 is ready?
[20:59]  * Renegade15 pokes gp[8]
[21:00] <Renegade15> I think he installed 4.5 on amd64
[21:00] <jake_> hey all
[21:00] <Renegade15> hello
[21:00] <gp[8]> yeah
[21:00] <jake_> new to linux
[21:01] <jake_> first time in IRC
[21:01] <gp[8]> I'm work with amd64
[21:01] <mkrista> kool
[21:01] <jake_> Anyone have any suggestions on must have apps
[21:01] <gp[8]> mkrista: amd64 is ready
[21:01] <mkrista> thank you
[21:01] <gp[8]> ;)
[21:01] <Renegade15> jake_: What are your needs?
[21:02] <jake_> multimedia gaming ect
[21:02] <jake_> working on installing wow right now
[21:03] <Renegade15> if you have a gaming need, you may want to consider adding playdeb to your repos: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/10.04#how_to_install
[21:04] <Renegade15> multimedia, you should have mplayer installed, as well as vlc, imo
[21:05] <jake_> using ryhtembox
[21:05] <Renegade15> you can look into songbird for a music app, though it felt a little sluggish to me...could be age of the computer, though
[21:06] <jake_> anyone got advice on apparence hacks or mods ?
[21:06] <Renegade15> -_^
[21:06] <Renegade15> you mean themes?
[21:06] <jake_> sure
[21:06] <Renegade15> this ain't windows
[21:07] <jake_> lol
[21:07] <Renegade15> no hacks needed
[21:07] <jake_> sorry gotta get in mindset of opensource
[21:07] <Renegade15> http://kde-look.org/
[21:07] <jake_> anyone have android phones ?
[21:07] <Renegade15> or choose/adjust one of the many pre-installed ones
[21:10] <alvin> ok, actually I want KDE 4.5 too. Step 1, backup, step 2: breakage, here I come
[21:15] <mweijts> KDE 4.5 all system and application notifications are not playing anymore
[21:15] <mweijts> plasma-desktop(1513)/plasma StatusNotifierItemSource::refreshCallback: DBusMenu disabled for this application
[21:15] <mweijts> kmix(1639) sink_input_cb: Ignoring sink-input due to it being designated as an event and thus handled by the Event slider
[21:22] <mkrista> she works :) thanks everybody
[21:22] <alvin> ibqt4-help still breaks during upgrade
[21:25] <mweijts> http://paste.ubuntu.com/476596/
[21:25] <mweijts> KDE 4.5 all system and application notifications are not playing anymore
[21:35] <navetz> when I install new applications they are not in my start menu but are installed. Can someone help me fix this?
[21:38] <alvin> Well, you can ignore the breakakge of libqt4-help (didn't check the help yet. It'll be incomplete anyway) by using --force and finish the upgrade
[21:44] <logan_> who is actually here?
[21:45] <logan_> hello?
[21:45] <Renegade15> hello
[21:46] <logan_> who has flash working on 10.04?
[21:46] <Renegade15> as far as I know, my flash is working
[21:46] <logan_> are u using 10.04?
[21:47] <Renegade15> yepp
[21:48] <logan_> are u able to watch youtube videos?"
[21:49] <Renegade15> I am indeed
[21:50] <logan_> i stuch with 9.10 because with 10.04 i was never able to get flash working
[21:50] <Renegade15> sounds more like a flash problem than a kubuntu problem
[21:51] <logan_> i do have compiz fusion installed and configured
[21:55] <logan_> could that cause a flash problem?
[21:56] <Renegade15> I don't know, honestly...it's entirely possible, but I don't know how common it is
[21:56] <logan_> ok
[22:03] <hdevalence> Hi, how do I temporarily disable all hardware-accelerated graphics?
[22:06] <navetz> when I install new applications they are not in my application launcher but are installed. Can someone help me fix this?
[22:11] <James147> navetz: try running "kbuildsycoca --menutest"
[22:12] <navetz> James147: installing packages now
[22:14] <microcluster> hallo
[22:15] <microcluster> help with mysql
[22:19] <well_laid_lawn> microcluster: there is the   #mysql   channel
[22:20] <microcluster> well_laid_lawn: ok thanks
[22:22] <Phoenix][> hi all! is there any trick needed to build qt4-x11 from source? I am trying to upload a fix for bug 614699 to my ppa, but debuild -S -sa fails (whereas fakeroot dpkg-buildpackages works) with the following error: <path>/qt4-x11-4.7.0~beta2/bin/qmake-qt4: not found
[22:39] <BluesKaj> Phoenix][, is there aqmake builder ?
[22:39] <BluesKaj> a qmake
[22:41] <Phoenix][> BluesKaj: How would I find out? I actually just fetched the qt4-x11 source using apt-get, so whatever is in the source package should be present ;-)
[22:41] <well_laid_lawn> !info qt4-qmake
[22:46] <Phoenix][> Yes, that's installed:
[22:46] <Phoenix][> dpkg-query -s qt4-qmake
[22:46] <Phoenix][> Package: qt4-qmake
[22:46] <Phoenix][> Status: install ok installed
[22:46] <Phoenix][> Priority: optional
[22:46] <FloodBotK3> Phoenix][: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:46] <Phoenix][> Section: devel
[22:47] <Phoenix][> the weird thing is that debuild is expecting it below the source directory
[22:50] <well_laid_lawn> I've never used qmake...
[22:52] <mjobin> hi everyone ... its funny how kdebase-workspace-dbg does not have kdebase-workspace as a dependency ...
[23:03] <hgfgjfgffg> what vare system requirements?
[23:03] <baxeico> hi guys. I'm wondering if
[23:03] <baxeico> it's safe to upgrade to kde 4.5.0 in lucid
[23:03] <baxeico> or maybe it's better to wait for 4.5.1
[23:04] <baxeico> now i'm using 4.4.5 (from backports)
[23:04] <hgfgjfgffg> system requirements wgere?
[23:06] <Phoenix][> I upgraded today and am struggling with some ugly bugs. so, I'd recommend to wait for 4.5.1
[23:06] <dotnetted> Hey all - I just installed kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu 10.04 and all my fonts (even on the kdm login screen) are way too small to read - They are so small that I can't even begin to find the font preferences in the kde menus. - Any suggestions appreciated - Thanks. (PS. All the font sizes are correct when I run gdm)
[23:07] <IdleOne> hgfgjfgffg: http://kubuntuguide.org/Lucid#Hardware_requirements
[23:07] <hgfgjfgffg> which are system requirements?
[23:08] <IdleOne> hgfgjfgffg: look at the link I just gave you
[23:09] <hgfgjfgffg> that's a lie, i've tred t on 512mb machine and it hasn't even load desktop, are
[23:09] <hgfgjfgffg> there real ones?
[23:09] <IdleOne> hgfgjfgffg: those are the real ones
[23:10] <hgfgjfgffg> so why it cannot even login with 512 memory when 384 is required for it?
[23:10] <IdleOne> I don't know, maybe there is some other issue
[23:12] <hgfgjfgffg> like? even mouse was iirespomcible and it was harddrive activity all time
[23:21] <hgfgjfgffg> kubuntu appears to hang after logging in, what ca n caause this?
[23:23] <well_laid_lawn> hgfgjfgffg: if you can get to a tty run   top   to see what's using resources
[23:29] <marararam> hi, i just tried to upgrade to KDE 4.5
[23:29] <marararam> i did
[23:29] <marararam> 1. sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[23:29] <marararam> 2. sudo aptitude update
[23:29] <marararam> 3. sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:29] <FloodBotK1> marararam: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:30] <dotnetted> Anyone know what may cause the left half of the kde taskbar to have a black background that seems to be part of an image with large gray letters?
[23:31] <dotnetted> I can fix it by resizing it but it is black after every login
[23:32] <marararam> now i have 182 updates held back due to some conflicts
[23:32] <marararam> can anyone give me a hint on how to proceed?
[23:32] <Phoenix][> marararam: try a dist-upgrade
[23:32] <marararam> to what dist would that take me?
[23:32] <marararam> i am on lucid here
[23:33] <Phoenix][> in your case, the only difference will be that dist-upgrade installs new packages whereas upgrade does not
[23:33] <marararam> ah, interesting
[23:33] <marararam> thanks
[23:33] <Phoenix][> (both being arguments to the apt-get command)
[23:34] <marararam> did i miss this detail somewhere in the docs?
[23:35] <marararam> now it's working, thanks again
[23:50] <marararam> now it tells me 23 packages where broken
[23:50] <marararam> s/where/were/
[23:51] <marararam> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libqt4-core:


[02:06] <andresmujica> hi, i'm dealing with a suspend/hibernate bug #15372 and maybe i hit another bug while recopiling info from the debuggers to improve the report.
[02:07] <andresmujica> the thing is that when the /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force script is executed, a total freeze occurs, while executing gnome-power-cmd.sh hibernate behaves as expected..
[02:08] <andresmujica> are the acpi scripts deprecated? should we use the gnome-power-cmd.sh to debug those issues?
[02:44] <Ryan52> how do you best handle when a bug was reported against hardy and is already fixed in jaunty?
[02:47] <stgraber> usually it's marked fix released as it's fixed in the latest devel release. If it could become a SRU, the bug can also be changed to reflect that
[02:49] <Ryan52> that's what I assumed...wanted to double check. (/me worries that he's doing things wrong a lot..)
[02:50] <Ryan52> thanks
[04:11] <jedex> hi
[04:51] <jedex> while i am gathering information in order to triage a bug, should i assign it to myself?
[04:56] <greg-g> jedex: no. Just subscribe.
[06:57] <thekorn> good morning
[09:25] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> hi dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> hi BUGabundo_work
[09:28] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[09:29] <thekorn> and BUGabundo_work
[09:30] <dholbach> hiya thekorn
[10:47] <andresmujica> bug 268719
[10:53] <BUGabundo_work> thekorn: hi, back
[12:35] <CrownAmbassador> Hi guys... How do I filter the bug lists so that I only see the bugs that has no package assigned to it?
[12:36] <andresmujica> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks
[12:36] <andresmujica> first link
[12:36] <nhandler> andresmujica: You can use http://tinyurl.com/5uxg9a
[12:38] <CrownAmbassador> Fantastic! I had that tinyURL but lost it! Thank you both!
[12:39] <nhandler> You're welcome CrownAmbassador
[12:58] <afflux> kernel people, bug 51779 was about having to manually load the ircomm module and to  create some /dev/ircommX devices. The devices are now created automatically, after loading ircomm manually. Can I consider this fixed?
[13:55] <hggdh> afflux, best to check on #ubuntu-kernel
[13:56] <afflux> good idea, thanks
[15:19] <CrownAmbassador> Hi again guys. Does this pass as a bug or a suggestion? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/316780
[16:05] <joumetal> ponimato
[16:06] <joumetal> sorry for noise
[18:18] <BUGabundo1> howdy! can some QA or KDE dev take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/316837 ? thanks
[19:37] <jarnos> Would it be possible that Launchpad would show upstream changelog of a software?
[19:41] <pedro_> jarnos: better to ask in #launchpad ;-)
[19:41] <jarnos> pedro_: thanks
[19:41] <pedro_> you're welcome
[19:52] <MrKanister> hey. I have a question regarding the UbuntuBugDay. If I change the status of a bug (let's say from "new" to "incomple") do I then have to edit the page of the active UbuntuBugDay and move the bug to the roght section?
[19:52] <MrKanister> *right
[19:53] <thekorn> MrKanister, just mark the row of the bug in lightgreen and add your name
[19:54] <thekorn> don't move bugs from one list to another
[19:54] <MrKanister> thekorn: hm..that easy? Thanks :)
[23:37] <kostmo> Is there an "ubuntu" way to observe debugging events in GTK without recompiling?
[23:38] <RAOF> kostmo: Installing the various -dbgsym packages.
[23:40] <kostmo> what is the difference between a *-dbg package and *-dbgsym ?
[23:41] <kostmo> I am trying to follow the instructions in this bug report: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567312
[23:41] <hggdh> dbgsym are created by us; dbg are usually created by the build process; apport uses dbgsym
[23:41] <RAOF> kostmo: The difference is naming only.
[23:41] <hggdh> either will do the trick if you are gdb-ing
[23:41] <RAOF> (Mostly)
[23:42] <kostmo> is there a way to set a shell variable to make GTK spit out debug messages?
[23:42] <kostmo> (without using gdb)
[23:44]  * hggdh does not know how
[23:47] <kostmo> Are "debugging symbols" different than "printf messages used to assist in debugging"?  If so, then would it be fair to say I would have to recompile to do what the bug report asks?
[23:48] <hggdh> kostmo, yes, debugging symbols and printf messages have nothing to do with each other (although both help on debugging)
[23:48] <hggdh> you only need to recompile (probably) if you want a compile-time option to kick in
[23:49] <hggdh> for debugging sysmbols you need the .dbg or .dbgsym packages
[23:49] <kostmo> OK, I believe the poster in the report is referring to a compile-time option that probably spits out printf's
[23:49] <hggdh> kostmo, what bug #?
[23:49] <kostmo> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567312
[23:50] <hggdh> ugh
[23:51] <hggdh> did you try to run with 'env GDK_DEBUG=events whatchamacallit' ?
[23:51] <kostmo> yeah, didn't work
[23:51] <hggdh> heh
[23:52] <hggdh> this will probably be painful
[23:52] <kostmo> actually, I typed the line before I executed the program
[23:52] <kostmo> I didn't use "env"
[23:52] <hggdh> how?
[23:52] <kostmo> first I typed "GDK_DEBUG=events"
[23:52] <hggdh> nope
[23:52] <hggdh> will do get it done
[23:53] <hggdh> you can either export the environment variable (which might trigger debugging on all GTK applications running) or do it in one single line as I showed
[23:53] <kostmo> ok, this is what I just tried: "env GDK_DEBUG=events ./leave_notify_testcase"
[23:54] <hggdh> yes
[23:54] <kostmo> where "leave_notify_testcase" is the name of my program
[23:54] <hggdh> did it work out OK?
[23:54] <kostmo> ok, didn't seem to do anything
[23:54] <hggdh> sigh... then I am back to 'this will probably be painful'
[23:55] <hggdh> I never built GTK, so I am unsure on what to do, but
[23:55] <hggdh> you will probably need to build it/them yourself with the debugging support the poster is asking
[23:55] <kostmo> I'm thinking I will do "apt-get source libgtk2.0-0"
[23:56] <kostmo> then do the custom build
[23:56] <hggdh> you should start with a 'apt-get build-dep libgtk2.0-0'
[23:57] <hggdh> to get all dependencies in place
[23:57] <kostmo> ok good idea
[23:57] <hggdh> then 'apt-get source libgtk2.0-0'
[23:57] <hggdh> and find out how to set debugging in the build process
[23:58] <hggdh> (it is probably a #define somewhere
[23:58] <hggdh> )
[23:59] <kostmo> i think the ./configure command sometimes displays a list of options
[23:59] <hggdh> ./configure --help
[23:59] <kostmo> thats it


[07:06] <artnay> hi all.
[07:07] <artnay> if you haven't subscribed to ML, please see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-October/005023.html
[07:07] <artnay> the bug report needs more +1's
[07:13] <dpm> good morning all
[07:13] <kelemengabor> good morning dpm
[07:14] <dpm> hey kelemengabor :)
[07:18] <kelemengabor> is it just me, or your software center looks like this too: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/softwarecenter.png ?
[07:19] <dpm> kelemengabor, I'm about to report a bug, it looks even worse on mine, let me send a screenshot...
[07:20] <dpm> kelemengabor, I see that on your system Education, Games, Graphics, Sound & Video, Universal Access and "More" are not translated, either.
[07:20] <kelemengabor> yep :(
[07:21] <dpm> I'm about to file bugs for all those
[07:23] <dpm> well, "about to" means "as soon as Launchpad allows me"...
[07:31] <kelemengabor> bug #868554 is fixed and the package is released, but no new templates here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/xkeyboard-config/+imports
[07:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868554 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Need to create POT template on build (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868554
[07:32] <dpm> kelemengabor, let me have a look at it later. In any case, the translations I manually uploaded yesterday were all imported, so we should be all covered
[07:33] <dpm> kelemengabor, here's the first SC bug: bug 868947
[07:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868947 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Heading text is not internationalization-friendly (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868947
[07:33] <kelemengabor> sure, just looks strange :)
[07:42] <artnay> will non-languagepack packages receive post-release translation updates if the package itself is updated?
[07:45] <dpm> artnay, generally not, although devs might be persuaded if we ask them
[07:47] <artnay> in this case I'm speaking of ubuntu-help (which probably is incorporated into yelp)
[07:49] <artnay> well, we were able to translate 66 % of ubuntu-help, rest will have to wait for precise.
[07:50] <dpm> artnay, in that case, the best thing to do is to ask the docs team. And also note that any updates to ubuntu-docs need 1) an upload of the package with translations and additionally 2) a new full language pack release. So docs updates need to be synchronised with language pack updates
[09:04] <artnay> dpm: did you read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-October/005023.html
[09:10] <dpm> artnay, I did, I asked him to report it on the translators list :). However, the last reply is not entirely correct, I believe. I think the "upstream overwrites" export has nothing to do with it, especially because what he's reporting is the contrary: it seems upstream is not being updated
[09:16] <artnay> dpm: I see the same pattern there. Tomas has updated some strings and after import those updates (LP translations) are being marked as suggestions and the old string is being used
[09:17] <dpm> artnay, he didn't do any translations in Launchpad, he did them upstream
[09:17] <artnay> I hope he's able to give more examples and verify if those updates are actually from upstream or LP translations
[09:18] <artnay> and if those new translations are actually from upstream, was the same string fixed in LP before upstream import
[09:18] <artnay> there could be a conflict if the new upstream string is the same as what has been done on LP
[09:18] <dpm> btw, I'm not saying it's not a bug (it might or might not be, it needs to be investigated). I'm just saying that I'm not sure they're the same bug
[09:18] <artnay> and hence in such a conflict it defaults to old translation
[09:19] <artnay> at least similar things occured when translating chromium
[09:20] <artnay> dpm: did you follow my explanation? just tell me if I'm not being clear enough
[09:21] <dpm> artnay, you mean the explanation here, on the bug, or on the mailing list?
[09:21] <artnay> dpm: here :-)
[09:21] <dpm> :)
[09:21] <artnay> I should post that on ML as well
[09:21] <artnay> but first things first, food!
[09:22] <dpm> enjoy! :)
[13:57] <stikonas> artnay: ping
[13:58] <artnay> hi stikonas
[13:58] <artnay> stikonas: at least Tomas has registered on LP
[13:58] <artnay> https://launchpad.net/~tomasstraupis
[13:59] <artnay> stikonas: I'll send a msg to him
[13:59] <stikonas> artnay: that may be true, but yesterday dpm and I talked about strings that I was translating
[13:59] <stikonas> and I am almost 100% sure that I have only touched them upstream
[14:00] <artnay> okay, very strange
[14:01] <artnay> so we have some pretty bad lp-translations bugs here
[14:01] <artnay> let's see what Tomas replies
[14:02] <stikonas> Lithuanian translation also causes/suffers from bug #636936 But this is probably unrelated...
[14:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 636936 in language-pack-he (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Export the number of plural forms as specified in the imported PO file's header (affects: 3) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636936


[01:40] <thismagpie> Hi Fudge, were you able to sort things out with firefox? I checked some bugs and there were a few filed against orca citing firefox but that's as far as I got, unfortunately.


[17:02] <Notsonoble> question: is there a lxqt test image to download? I downloaded the daily but it seems to be lxde
[18:43] <tsimonq2alt> Notsonoble: not yet. :)
[18:45] <tsimonq2> Notsonoble: it's a work in progress though :)
[18:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: hey, you around?
[18:51] <teward> tsimonq2: argh gosh darn it people are insane.  I am having 403 issues getting the hash sums for the Lubuntu ISOs, happen to have them around?
[18:52] <tsimonq2> teward: which ones?
[18:52] <teward> 16.04.1 latest
[18:53]  * teward thinks he broke an rsync from his fileshare server to this computer, and needs to check sums
[18:54] <tsimonq2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/
[18:54] <tsimonq2> works fine for me :P
[18:57] <teward> tsimonq2: i think it's a proxy problem here, hence my asking if you can grab the sum and send it my way
[18:57] <teward> *hates weird setups*
[18:57] <teward> trying to VPN out to avoid the proxy :P
[19:06] <tsimonq2> ok one sec
[19:09] <tsimonq2> teward: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0exhmhCedI-T1VzbVZLb09SWGs
[19:10] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:21] <wxl> tsimonq2: here's your pong
[21:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: hi :)
[21:25] <tsimonq2> wxl: so a lot of things have been happening with lubuntu-default-settings that I wanted to tell you about :D
[21:26] <wxl> tsimonq2: worthy of a blog or a list mail?
[21:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll do a blog post when it's all done, but I wanted to tell you what's up :)
[21:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: it's a WIP
[21:26] <wxl> tsimonq2: all ears
[21:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: so currently, the QLubuntu session uses lxsession, and obviously we should migrate off of that
[21:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: I want a rename BTW :P
[21:27] <wxl> yaya
[21:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: anyways, so this session used lxsession but lxqt-session doesn't allow you to specify a special Openbox file
[21:28] <wxl> ugh
[21:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: 0.10 in the archives flat out doesn't have that feature, so I'll have to craft a special startlxqt file to use
[21:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: because Julien told me that is what calls lxqt-session
[21:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: BUT in 0.11, that feature was added but it hardcodes a specific conf file
[21:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: I just worked with upstream to allow an env variable to be set, so when 0.11 lands in the archive, there's no need for a custom startlxqt
[21:29] <tsimonq2> wxl: https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-common/pull/60
[21:29] <wxl> good job
[21:30] <tsimonq2> so progress \o/
[21:30] <wxl> very good
[21:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: but yeah, I'm working a LOT with the lubuntu-defaults-settings source
[21:30] <tsimonq2> the final PR to Julien will be MASSIVE
[21:31] <wxl> hhahaha
[21:31] <wxl> i'm sure he'
[21:31] <wxl> ll be happy to have the help
[21:31] <tsimonq2> well technically I'm leading the transition so it's work that needs to be done :P
[21:32] <wxl> oh wow
[21:35] <tsimonq2> wxl: should I put my WIP notes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt or on a different page?
[21:36] <wxl> link to the blueprint and have the notes in there
[21:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: well a lot of my notes are trivial bits that might not fit in the bluepriunt
[21:37] <tsimonq2> *blueprint
[21:38] <wxl> i dunno i guess it could go on the lxqt page
[21:38] <tsimonq2> ok cool
[21:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: how's this config look to you? http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/16/0822/h_1471902431_2624208_f84e289d32.png
[21:47] <tsimonq2> as in, how's the desktop look?
[21:47] <wxl> tsimonq2: nice. but use the new wallpaper :)
[21:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: blame Rafael.
[21:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: :P
[21:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: he didn't take the time to upload the new artwork package yet changing the LXQt stuff
[21:48] <tsimonq2> wxl: but otherwise, think it looks ok? doesn't it look a lot like Lubuntu? :D
[21:49] <tsimonq2> just out of curiosity...
[21:49] <tsimonq2> !info lubuntu-core unstable
[21:49] <tsimonq2> good :P\
[21:51] <wxl> yes tsimonq2 it works
[21:52] <tsimonq2> good
[21:57] <tsimonq2> wxl: http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/16/0822/h_1471903046_2998026_8705f56453.png ?
[21:57] <tsimonq2> wxl: do the settings look reasonable there?
[22:00] <wxl> looks good
[22:00] <tsimonq2> anything specfic you want to see? :)
[22:00] <wxl> i want to see an image
[22:00] <ianorlyn> tsimonq2, does this mean we can get alt f2 on lxqt working out of the box because the runner is awesome
[22:01] <tsimonq2> ianorlyn: yes it does! :D
[22:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'd like to try something different. Some flavors mark milestones as ready the night before.
[22:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: want to do that? :)
[22:02] <wxl> if it's ready sure
[22:02] <wxl> it just rarely is
[22:02] <tsimonq2> wxl: I mean, if everything is tested of course :)
[22:02] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:02] <wxl> we've done it at least once before
[22:06] <tsimonq2> HAH guess what I just did? startx, then I opened qterminal in that, and did startlxqt &
[22:06] <tsimonq2> it started LXQt!
[22:06] <tsimonq2> :O
[22:06] <tsimonq2> I learned something new today! :D