[12:33] <dipnlik> Krpano: LOL, what happened? Kubuntu should recognize other OS's in the HD
[12:34] <Krpano> yes...but in case i need to uninstall Kubuntu...headaches will come...lol
[12:35] <Krpano> ive tried to set it up on another partition in another HD and tried to use boopart to insert Kubuntu in the windows boot...but i had no success.
[12:36] <kameron> Krpano, you tried to use bootpart to insert kubuntu into the windows bootloader?
[12:37] <Krpano> yep...:)
[12:37] <kameron> why not use grub/lilo?
[12:37] <Krpano> because i may run into trouble if i uninstall Kbnt....
[12:38] <WolfT> Does anyone know of a way to make a script like Automatix but without the GUI? I basically just want it to download all the stuff I have now, which I will do, with like sudo apt-get install stuff, well after I put in the new sources.list. I basically want to be able to start where I left off if I have to reformat.
[12:38] <kameron> Krpano, alright, i don't really know what's going on.. what do you need a hand with?
[12:39] <Krpano> Kamero, i just wanted to know the minimum size for the default Kubuntu installation...but other mates here already advised me...thx.:)
[12:39] <robotgeek> WolfT: take a look at http://easybreezy.robotgeek.org
[12:39] <kameron> Krpano, holla!
[12:40] <robotgeek> WolfT: all you need is the part at the end, i think
[12:40] <Krpano> i just wonder if anyone here has Kubuntu on the XP bootloader.
[12:41] <kameron> Krpano, probably not. you can go with an optional windows bootloader. the default one is very restricting.
[12:41] <Krpano> bootpart says it can do it...till now i had no success.
[12:41] <WolfT> robotgeek, #  Does not touch your  sources.list .
[12:42] <WolfT> robotgeek, I guess I will have to put that in.
[12:42] <robotgeek> WolfT: isn't that cool :)
[12:42] <kameron> Krpano, what is bootpart?
[12:43] <robotgeek> WolfT: all you need is dpkg --get-selections > pkglist.txt
[12:43] <Krpano> http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm ...its for windows NT, i thought i could use it with XP...seems im wrong.
[12:43] <Krpano> anyway it says its compatible with XP.
[12:43] <robotgeek> keep that safe, and the next time you reformat, all you need is a sudo dpkg --get-selections < ppkglist.txt && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[12:44] <WolfT> robotgeek, What exactly does sed do?
[12:44] <WolfT> Eh, sorry.
[12:47] <kameron> Krpano, take a look around for 'Acronis Disk Director Suite'
[12:47] <tristan> I have created a file on my desktop and everytime I modify it, there is a temporary file that is left on my desktop with the same name except that there is a ~ at the end. Is there any way so that this file does not appear?
[12:48] <Krpano> kameron, ill take a look at that site. :)
[12:48] <robotgeek> tristan: which editor are you using? kate?
[12:48] <tristan> yes, kate robotgeek
[12:49] <kameron> Krpano, there are several alternative windows bootloaders, but i prefer to use a linux one.. i don't know why you just don't do that.. from a livecd even
[12:49] <Krpano> boot a installed Kubuntu through the live cd ?
[12:50] <kameron> i meant, install the bootloader through a livecd.
[12:50] <Krpano> but where should i install the grub ?
[12:50] <kameron> hda?
[12:50] <kameron> Krpano, please explain what you're trying to do.. partition your drive, and install windows and linux?
[12:50] <robotgeek> tristan: kate -> Settings -> COnfigure Kate -> Save Load
[12:51] <robotgeek> tristan: however, it's a good idea to save those files
[12:51] <Krpano> Kameron, XP is installed....i want to install Kubuntu again.....but im affraid to install the Grub into the MBR, because if i need to uninstall Kubuntu windows will no longer boot.
[12:51] <kameron> Krpano, ah, no problem at all.
[12:52] <kameron> Krpano, do you have a livecd, or an fdisk?
[12:52] <Krpano> i have a Kubuntu live cd....
[12:52] <kameron> perfect.
[12:52] <Krpano> and the installation one too
[12:52] <tristan> thanks robotgeek
[12:52] <kameron> okay. say you destroy the the whole installation and omfg stuff goes wrong.
[12:52] <Krpano> yes
[12:52] <kameron> but the windows partition is still okay..
[12:52] <Krpano> yes
[12:53] <kameron> at a command prompt.. from the live cd: 'install-mbr /dev/hda'
[12:53] <kameron> and that will install the default windows bootloader.
[12:53] <Krpano> oh yes ?...i didnt know that...
[12:53] <kameron> Krpano, actually, i don't know if kubuntu live has that. i know knoppix has it.
[12:54] <Krpano> ill dl a knoppix live cd too....just in case....:)
[12:54] <chope> hi, does anybody know how to prevent iptables from running?
[12:55] <Krpano> kameron, its possible to do the same with fdisk ?
[12:55] <kameron> Krpano, or just get an fdisk. it's even simpler with one of those, simply because it boots a lot quicker than a livecd does. after booting to the floppy you type 'fdisk /mbr'
[12:55] <kameron> !info install-mbr
[12:55] <Krpano> Kameron, thx alot....its all noted..;)
[12:55] <kameron> kay, good stuff man.
[12:56] <kameron> if you do have grub problems, and can't boot to windows.. don't panic. just get back to me, and we'll get things working with grub, or lilo if you want.. if not, you can do either ways i showed you to installt he default windows bootloader.
[12:57] <kameron> Krpano, even another option.. is to do this: dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/backupmbr bs=446 count=1
[12:57] <kameron> that will backup your mbr to /path/to/backupmbr
[12:57] <Krpano> kameron, great...i do not pretend to uninstall kubuntu this time...all this is just in case....
[12:57] <kameron> to put it back on.. you do: dd if=/path/to/backupmbr of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1
[12:57] <kameron> Krpano, okay, cool.
[12:59] <Krpano> Actually if i can get my TV out working, i might even get rid of XP.
[01:00] <kameron> tv out shouldn't be too hard with v4l
[01:00] <Krpano> its the first time ill use KDE....
[01:00] <kameron> KDE rocks man. well, compared to gnome.
[01:01] <kameron> that's not saying a lot though.
[01:01] <Krpano> i know...i found it it last week when i was testing the Slax distro..
[01:01] <WolfT> robotgeek, What are some you have done to your linux?
[01:02] <kameron> Krpano, slax is cool, really slick for a livecd.
[01:02] <Krpano> yes...i like so much, that make me delete alot of stuffs to create some space and dl Kubuntu.
[01:03] <kameron> good call.
[01:03] <WolfT> How come my Bash Aliases dont work?
[01:03] <Krpano> Kubuntu is like Ubuntu ?...without the NTFS support ?
[01:03] <Melsen> Hi everybody - is there anyone who could help me to how I do a harddrive install from a Kubuntu Live CD please?
[01:03] <WolfT> They are in '~/.Bash_Aliases
[01:04] <kameron> Krpano... no, Kubuntu is part of the ubuntu development, and officially supported, with NTFS support, and everything else, but it uses KDE as it's default desktop environment, instead of Gnome, that's used in regular ubuntu
[01:04] <WolfT> Anyone?
[01:05] <kameron> Krpano, but, from ubuntu you can type 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and have all the kubuntu stuff, or vice versa from kubuntu typing 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[01:05] <Krpano> kameron, but it cant write in NTFS, right ?
[01:06] <kameron> Krpano, oh... NTFS write support isn't supported in the kernel yet.. not in ubuntu, or kubuntu, or mandriva, fedora, slackware, etc.. it's a kernel level thing. the new kernels being released will have ntfs write support, like in dapper (dapper is the development version of ubuntu)
[01:06] <kameron> Krpano, but ntfs READ support has been supported for quite some time
[01:06] <Hobbsee> WolfT: got no idea, but check if the file is case sensitive - may need to be ~/.bash_aliases - but i just put my aliases into ~/.bashrc anyway
[01:07] <Melsen> Do I need an install CD to install Kubuntu - Or can I do that from the Live CD?
[01:07] <WolfT> Hobbsee, How do I put them in bashrc?
[01:07] <kameron> WolfT, yeah.. i ust .bashrc too
[01:07] <Hobbsee> lemme go check...
[01:07] <hatake_kakashi> Krpano: you can with captive-ntf
[01:08] <hatake_kakashi> s/captive-ntf/captive-ntfs
[01:08] <praotec> Hi! Do you know how install Kaffeine-xine? I dont have this engine in my Package manager and I didnt find some package for Kubuntu on Internet..
[01:08] <Hobbsee> alias show='apt-cache show'
[01:08] <WolfT> Anywhere in the file?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> WolfT: anywya, ~/.bash_aliases needs to be all lowercase, and the part of ~/.bashrc needs to be uncommented - the bit from if to fi
[01:09] <weedar> Is there any way of showing amount of memory and cpu speed in KDE/Kubuntu?
[01:09] <WolfT> Oh yeah.
[01:09] <WolfT> Forgot to uncomment it after the reformat.
[01:10] <kameron> weedar, somewhere i kcontrol i'm pretty sure
[01:10] <robotgeek> weedar: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:11] <weedar> thx robotgeek !
[01:11] <weedar> kameron, I looked but could not find it anywhere, unfortunately
[01:11] <kameron> weedar, hm
[01:14] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: cat /proc/meminfo
[01:14] <kameron> weedar, it's on my other computer with a much older version of kde.. can't find it on kubuntu though, weird
[01:14] <weedar> thanks hatake_kakashi, I just did that. It's so easy to forget /proc (at least for me)
[01:14] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: kinfocenter has info
[01:14] <weedar> kameron, that's what I thought too. I seem to remember it being on the "main" page of kcontrol
[01:15] <kameron> weedar, yeah, exactly! what went down.
[01:15] <kameron> maybe it got it's own section weedar... kdeinfocenter
[01:15] <weedar> thanks for the tip hatake_kakashi, I'll add that to my K-bar :)
[01:16] <weedar> kameron, you mean that somewhere within kcontrol opens kinfocenter?
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> K, System, KInfoCenter
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: its under a seperate window
[01:16] <weedar> ah, there it is.
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> you have to run it, its a different app imo
[01:17] <kameron> well im out, night everyone. thanks for the tip hatake_kakashi
[01:17] <hatake_kakashi> kameron: np
[01:17] <kameron> good luck Krpano
[01:17] <weedar> I just assumed I had to add it like kcontrol
[01:18] <weedar> Which I have big issues understanding why isn't the default "control center" instead of the "system settings"-alternative
[01:19] <Melsen> Boy.. it sure isn't easy to get reply here... I'll try for the third time =) hehe. If I want to install Kubuntu on my harddisk... do I need an install CD, or can I do it from the Live CD??
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> Melsen: install
[01:20] <Melsen> ?
[01:20] <morrow> the live cd is optimized to run from cd. Use the install CD if you want to install a fresh version
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> install CD, do should not use the livecd to install
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> s/do/you
[01:20] <Melsen> Ahhhh
[01:20] <Melsen> alright.. thanks folks
[01:20] <Melsen> Appreciate it
[01:23] <hatake_kakashi> funny that there is no more molecule screensaver anymore
[01:23] <weedar> If it existed in the past, why is it not possible to use it now?
[01:24] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: its not included in the KDE3.5 package.. well not in the kubuntu I suppose
[01:25] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, it's not available to download separately?
[01:25] <weedar> The only thing keeping me from calling Kubuntu a good desktop OS is the lack of a Grateful  Dead screensaver, so you have my sympathy :)
[01:25] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I'm looking for that now
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: both kcontrol and system settings are in kubuntu
[01:26] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I never really liked screensavers.. until I saw Mac OSX (Panther)'s screen saver and that molecule screensaver that used to be in RH8
[01:26] <weedar> Hobbsee, I think you should say that to me. Thing is, kcontrol wasn't on my K-bar when I installed Kubuntu, I had to install it myself
[01:26] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: ?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> weedar: true, but the program exists in the install, alt+f2, kcontrol
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: sorry, wrong nick - i only read the last section
[01:27] <weedar> I know "system settings" is there, the reason I mentioned it is because it is not a good "control panel", as it is uncomplete and sometimes spans beyond the desktop
[01:27] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: ahh ok
[01:27] <weedar> Hobbsee, oh yes I am aware of that. I just think they should make kcontrol default instead of system settings. I haven't seen a good argument for "system settings" as of yet :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> weedar: i agree with you - apparently the reasoning is "less bugs in SS"
[01:28] <Hobbsee> i've been known to take out system settings and put kcontrol in the menu
[01:29] <weedar> Hobbsee, I'd like to meet the person who claims that. As I said, SS spans beyond the desktop, often making certain modules unusable since you can't gain admin-privileges
[01:29] <Hobbsee> weedar: well, that's what i was told by Riddell, i think it was
[01:29] <Riddell> hmm?
[01:30] <Riddell> systemsettings doesn't have less bugs than kcontrol
[01:30] <Hobbsee> debate on system settings and kcontrol
[01:30] <Riddell> it's just 10 times more usable
[01:30] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought that was what i was told
[01:30] <Hobbsee> tis not!
[01:30] <weedar> Riddell, how is it more usabel when it doesn't have all of the options kcontrol has?
[01:30] <Riddell> you like searching randomly ordered tree widgets?
[01:30] <weedar> s/usabel/usable
[01:31] <Riddell> weedar: what options doesn't it have?
[01:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: exactly
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yet in kcontrol, it doesnt matter - there's a search box at the top, that you can type it in, and it goes there immediately
[01:31] <weedar> Riddell, I think kcontrol is organized great - I don't have trouble finding what I need, and there is a search-bar too
[01:31] <Riddell> search bar was only added in 3.5, breezy wouldn't have it
[01:32] <weedar> Riddell, right now I can't remember what option it doesn't include, but I had major issues a week ago finding whatever it was I was looking for :)
[01:32] <Riddell> and system settings has a search bar too
[01:32] <Hobbsee> but then you have to look for which icon isnt greyed out, blah, blah blah - oh, and you have to move your mouse further to select the given icon
[01:33] <weedar> ah, I believe it was the "file associations" lacking in SS
[01:33] <Hobbsee> then find the selection after finding the correct module
[01:33] <weedar> the "KDE components" module in SS is not as complete as kcontrol
[01:33] <Riddell> file associations has no business being in kcontrol, it's for the file manager to handle (which it does)
[01:33] <Riddell> weedar: in which way?  they should be identicle
[01:34] <Riddell> oh, it doesn't have all the stuff duplicated from konqueror
[01:34] <Riddell> that's a feature
[01:35] <weedar> Riddell, in SS "kde components" includes kde resources and service manager, while in kcontrol you have session manager, spell checker, service manager, kde resources, kde performance, file manager, file associations and components chooser
[01:36] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: any clue what happened to that screen saver that displays proteins and that you can import them>
[01:36] <hatake_kakashi> s/>/?
[01:36] <weedar> It's not a feature if it means you take out handy stuff
[01:36] <Riddell> nothing is taken out (except the theme manager), it's all just duplicated from konqueror
[01:36] <Riddell> hatake_kakashi: no idea
[01:37] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: bah, thanks
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you like a screenie for me to prove you wrong?
[01:37] <Riddell> possibly lost in the xscreensaver changes, might be in a new xscreensaver-gl package or something
[01:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: err, ok
[01:37] <Hobbsee> sorry, lack of food here - i'm not the nicest person tonight
[01:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wrong on which account?
[01:38] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: will look into it, thanks for the heads up
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: grabbing the link
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/1011/snapshot47af.jpg
[01:39] <weedar> Well, I still feel the duplicating is a nice thing, it's nice to have one place to (k)control everything :) But I guess I'm losing this fight, so I'll just give up
[01:39] <Hobbsee> weedar: we'll see...
[01:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yeah, all the stuff not in system settings there is because it's already in konqueror
[01:40] <weedar> You don't feel having it all in kcontrol is more intuitive Riddell ?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> er...where in konq?
[01:41] <weedar> Hobbsee, under settings
[01:42] <Hobbsee> you're kidding!  not all the way down here??
[01:43] <weedar> Changing settings shouldn't bee easy, if it was everyone would do it
[01:43] <Hobbsee> for goodness sake!  that's terrible!  what happened to having all the config settings in a central location for easy finding????
[01:44] <Hobbsee> oh yes, and kcontrol always resizes properly, wish i could say the same for SS :P
[01:44] <Hobbsee> weedar: indeed, it seems this is the case...
[01:44] <weedar> Actually, if the resizing issue was fixed SS could almost be usable for at least some of the things I'd like to do
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hold down alt and click and drag, the solution seems to be
[01:46] <Riddell> weedar: what's the resizing issue?
[01:46] <ccc_> the overview in kcontrol is terrible imo, i really like SS
[01:46] <freeflying> how can I extract squashfs file
[01:47] <Riddell> freeflying: remastering live cd?
[01:47] <freeflying> Riddell: y, I want to remast dapper's
[01:47] <Hobbsee> shh!
[01:48] <Riddell> freeflying: Mithrandir would know
[01:48] <weedar> Riddell, the resizing issue is that most of the modules span the desktop, making it hard/impossible to get administrator priveleges for the modules that need that
[01:48] <ccc_> however kde's settings in general is and always has been messy :\ but SS is a step in the right direction.
[01:49] <Riddell> weedar: I fixed network settings, do you have a list of other troublesome modules?
[01:49] <weedar> What drugs are you on and how do I get them ccc_ ??
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: what's his nick ? thx
[01:49] <weedar> Riddell, I'll take a look. Give you feedback in a few
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try printing
[01:49] <Riddell> freeflying: Mithrandir is the nick :)  on #ubuntu-devel
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/295/snapshot54xp.jpg
[01:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, printing doesn't work in dapper anyway :)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> sure it does
[01:50] <Hobbsee> works here :P
[01:50] <Hobbsee> on both network printers, yet it cant find my parallel port printer
[01:50] <Hobbsee> never has :P
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: on dapper?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> sure
[01:51] <Hobbsee> did on mon night
[01:51] <Riddell> groovy, I think it's just when yu don't have any printers configured yet that it complains
[01:51] <Hobbsee> cant try now though - hobbsee would get shot!
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, you just ignore the whinging, add anyway, then print
[01:51] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I can get away with just patching away the whinging then :)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: How about the MainInlusion of scim now ?
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying: still sitting in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[01:54] <Riddell> we need to poke pitti
[01:54] <Riddell> since he's sitting behind me I could actually poke him
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> where are you now Riddell?
[01:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: distosprint
[01:55] <Hobbsee> which is?
[01:55] <ccc_> weedar: not for sale, sorry :)
[01:56] <weedar> Riddell, issues exist in: printing, networking settings, users & groups, date & time
[01:56] <Riddell> where they lock us in a room for a week and get told to fix things
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe - sounds good to me!
[01:56] <Riddell> weedar: thanks, I'll make a note to try and get those fixed
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what surprises me abuot the resizing in system settings - that tehy dont have some sort of control on "this is how wide and how long the box can be"
[01:56] <Riddell> see ubuntu-devel-announce for distrosprint updates
[01:56] <Hobbsee> will do
[01:57] <weedar> Riddell, thanks!
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i feel so out of it - i knew what was going on before i went away!
[01:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how would you control that?  programmers can code them as large as they like
[01:57] <Riddell> kcontrol scrolls modules as a last resort, system settings can't (yet)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ah, is that what they do - scroll would be useful, rather than nothing
[01:58] <weedar> Would it be possible to check the resolution the user is using and then size the window to maxX-10 and maxY-10 (or similar) ?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> somehow...i dont know...i dont program!
[01:58] <Riddell> but mostly modules are designed to just squeeze into kcontrol on a 1024 screen, so system settings adding borders breaks that assumption
[01:58] <Hobbsee> or that they're designed to work without the kicker
[01:59] <Riddell> naw, system settings haa toolbar and some text about the admin button at the top
[02:01] <ludwikc> Witam... mam krotkie pytanie - dlatego nie chce pisac na forum - jak ODinstalowac Kopete? mam wersje 0.10.4 - nie moge wejsc w konfiguracje bo wywala _CALY_ system... :(
[02:01] <Hobbsee> too bad admin and apply buttons are usually at the bottom
[02:02] <weedar> exactly
[02:04] <weedar> SpeedCrunch is a bit too advanced for me, is there a calculator similar to windows calc?
[02:06] <ccc_> tried kcalc?
[02:06] <weedar> ccc_, apt-get'ing it as we speak
[02:08] <weedar> ah, kcalc was exactly what I wanted ccc_  :)
[02:09] <ccc_> great
[02:09] <arska> After I upgraded kde from 3.5.0 -> 3.5.1 I have a problem with my keyboard layout: in kcontrol center -> keyboard layout : kyboard model combobox is empty.
[02:11] <arska> Any idea ?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:28] <jpatrick> http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot277ir.png <- anyone know how I can get rid of those red and blue lines?
[02:32] <jpatrick> morning nalioth
[02:32] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[02:33] <weedar> jpatrick, I believe you have to turn off showing of changes in document
[02:33] <jpatrick> weedar: I just talked to the guys in #koffice
[02:34] <weedar> jpatrick, what did they say? :)
[02:34] <jpatrick> weedar: apply this diff: http://kdab.net/~dfaure/kotext-enable-final.diff
[02:35] <weedar> jpatrick, so there was a real bug, not just incorrect settings?
[02:35] <jpatrick> bug I guess
[02:35] <jpatrick> was bugging me...
[02:36] <weedar> hehe
[02:38] <gnumdk> weedar: packages are going to be updated
[02:39] <weedar> gnumdk, which?
[02:39] <gnumdk> http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2006/02/02#hectic
[02:40] <weedar> ah, brilliant!
[03:08] <ludwikc> hello
[03:09] <ludwikc> i've got a problem with my kopete. had v.0.10.3  - everything was ok.
[03:10] <tristan> Is there any FTP software with graphic interface?
[03:11] <eidolon> kde has an ftp kioslave.
[03:11] <eidolon> ftp://ftp.host.com/
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> gftp
[03:20] <Tainted-Wolf> What are some bash aliases you use? I use these: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/536924
[03:22] <lilminime> hi everyone, ive just installed a fresh install of kubuntu, I use the RT2500 ethernet card, but i cant get wierd net or wireless internet to work, therefore i need some help..
[03:24] <lilminime> Are there anyone that have had the same problem?
[03:25] <lilminime> Remeber, I cant get wierd or the wireless
[03:25] <lilminime> none of 'em is working
[03:27] <jpatrick> lilminime: admin mode not working?
[03:28] <lilminime> what do you mean
[03:28] <lilminime> jpatrick: No
[03:28] <lilminime> jpatrick: In ubuntu root is locked
[03:29] <jpatrick> lilminime: I know that, I meant in System Settings
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> lilminime: is the card detected? does the card have the modules loaded? does ifconfig or iwconfig show anything?
[03:30] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: yes
[03:31] <lilminime> ive modprobed rt2500
[03:31] <lilminime> but i still gets no net
[03:31] <jpatrick> lilminime: set it up in System Settings
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> lilminime: did you get any messages after loading? what about dmesg?
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> _root: you should never surf the web as rot
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> !root
[03:31] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> bah ubotu :P
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> s/rot/root
[03:32] <_root> halll=
[03:32] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: ;p, when i goes to network settings - system settings. it says that the two cards; eth0 and ra0 is disabled
[03:32] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: maybe its a way to enable them?
[03:32] <jpatrick> lilminime: press the admin button
[03:33] <lilminime> jpatrick: wich admin button?
[03:33] <jpatrick> lilminime: it's at the bottom near apply
[03:34] <lilminime> jpatrick: okey im in
[03:34] <jpatrick> lilminime: goody
[03:35] <lilminime> jpatrick: now what?
[03:36] <jpatrick> lilminime: enable & configure them then apply
[03:36] <makuko> quit
[03:36] <lilminime> jpatrick: omg its impossible to click on them
[03:36] <lilminime> its like they are a part of the background
[03:37] <lilminime> they are hard, or freezed or whatever you call it
[03:37] <jpatrick> lilminime: odd
[03:37] <jpatrick> lilminime: greyed-out?
[03:37] <lilminime> jpatrick: yes
[03:37] <dark_suic> it's a known bug, isn't it?
[03:38] <jpatrick> lilminime: then you're not root there :/
[03:38] <jpatrick> dark_suic: yes
[03:38] <lilminime> jpatrick: Im not root because i use sudo not su, cuz the root user is locked
[03:39] <jpatrick> lilminime: clicking "admin mode" should let you have root control over the module
[03:39] <lilminime> Yesterday i think it was a admin mode button there, but its not here now, i know it must be sounding redicolus
[03:40] <jpatrick> lilminime: does it go off the screen?
[03:40] <lilminime> jpatrick: what do you mean?
[03:40] <ludwikc> i've been loged of - did anybody answer my question about kopete ?
[03:40] <jpatrick> lilminime: does the window like go off the screen (too far to the edge)
[03:41] <lilminime> yes
[03:41] <jpatrick> lilminime: hold down ALT and move it around
[03:41] <jpatrick> dragging it
[03:41] <lilminime> ok
[03:42] <lilminime> jpatrick: ahh, there it was
[03:42] <lilminime> well now im in there
[03:42] <jpatrick> :)
[03:42] <lilminime> in admin mode
[03:42] <jpatrick> lilminime: now you should be able to touch the controls :)
[03:43] <lilminime> jpatrick: yes i am
[03:43] <lilminime> jpatrick: now what?
[03:44] <jpatrick> lilminime: configure the cards
[03:44] <lilminime> ok
[03:44] <jpatrick> then "enable" then apply
[03:45] <lilminime> jpatrick: when i do that, it shows: enabeled for like a half secound, and then it gets back to Disabled
[03:45] <jpatrick> :/
[03:46] <mcbit> Hello,everybody, how are you today, I'still listening your hosts and dooing a lot of fub
[03:46] <lilminime> jpatrick: any ide why it happens?
[03:46] <jpatrick> lilminime: horrible bug
[03:46] <mcbit> It's just happening you, all the time.
[03:46] <jpatrick> lilminime: you'll have to edit /etc/network/interfaces yourself
[03:46] <lilminime> jpatrick: No way to get it working then?
[03:47] <lilminime> jpatrick: omg, do you have an guide link for that?
[03:47] <mcbit> They have conclusions on having their minds on preparing some new computers. Working arounbd
[03:47] <mcbit> A je kaksen ki ve kaj po nase
[03:48] <jpatrick> lilminime: see man:interfaces in Konqueror
[03:49] <lilminime> ok
[03:49] <mcbit> interfaces are good
[03:50] <_jose> everytime i insert a cd rom a message appears: "file or folder media:/hdd/ doesn't exist" but the actual cd contents are on /media/cdrecorder/
[03:50] <mcbit> besides them, you can developing their roms in scheduling motherboards, so than you can see what kind of glote, do they diserving
[03:50] <_jose> can someone help me?
[03:51] <mcbit> jose, ja what kind of help do you need
[03:52] <_jose> everytime i insert a cd rom a message appears: "file or folder media:/hdd/ doesn't exist" but the actual cd contents are on /media/cdrecorder/
[04:01] <lilminime> ive configureaded the /etc/network/interfaces after a guide where people where very happy and it worked for most, but it still applys enabled for a half sec and then changes back to normal "disabled"
[04:05] <thomas> hi! i have a problem with the secure shell! i always get the error message "connect to host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx port22: connection refused" i am in a network with 3 pcs, in the middle a switch!! can anyone help?
[04:06] <eidolon> port 22 connection refused is port 22 connection refused.
[04:06] <eidolon> the machine you're tryign to connect to is refusing the connection.
[04:06] <`Nomad> Is wine broken going to 3.5.1?
[04:07] <thomas> don't use wine
[04:07] <thomas> i know that the machine refuses the connection, but how can i solve the problem that the machine isn't refusing anymore
[04:08] <`Nomad> thomas:  busted that badly?  shame, it was working fine before
[04:09] <[Vampis] > hey
[04:10] <[Vampis] > kkathman:
[04:12] <kkathman> hey [Vampis]  :)
[04:13] <visik7> `Nomad: no WFM
[04:14] <[Vampis] > kkathman: whazup ?
[04:15] <kkathman> [Vampis] : raining here..man I hope it hangs around..we need it!
[04:15] <[Vampis] > aah, :)
[04:15] <[Vampis] > Nice
[04:16] <trappist> kkathman: you wouldn't be in tx would you
[04:16] <kkathman> trappist:  yes sir I am
[04:16] <`Nomad> wfm?
[04:16] <[Vampis] > :)
[04:16] <Tainted-Wolf> Anyone have suggestions for a beginner coding languagE?
[04:17] <visik7> python
[04:17] <[Vampis] > erlang
[04:17] <visik7> asd
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> erlang? asd?
[04:18] <[Vampis] > Erlang is nice ;)
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> Eh, what is that?
[04:18] <[Vampis] > You dont know ?
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> No....
[04:18] <alumnos> hi
[04:18] <trappist> kkathman: we do indeed need the rain
[04:18] <[Vampis] > "Erlang is a programming language designed at the Ericsson Computer Science Laboratory. Open-source Erlang is being released to help encourage the spread of Erlang outside Ericsson. "
[04:18] <[Vampis] > http://www.erlang.org/
[04:19] <_alumnos> choose
[04:19] <`Nomad> visik7: what is WFM?
[04:20] <visik7> works for me
[04:20] <Tainted-Wolf> [Vampis] , I would prefer something more mainstream.
[04:20] <[Vampis] > We had a project last term using erlang
[04:20] <[Vampis] > it was fun :>
[04:21] <[Vampis] > programmed an AI soccerteam
[04:21] <alumnos> vampis!!!!!!!!!
[04:21] <[Vampis] > our team came 3d place in the school tournament :)
[04:22] <[Vampis] > alumnos: yes ?
[04:22] <alumnos> can you help me
[04:22] <alumnos> ?
[04:22] <[Vampis] > with what ?
[04:22] <alumnos> with a program in c
[04:22] <lilminime> anyone who has an working eth0 or ra0 /etc/network/interfaces config?
[04:22] <[Vampis] > Hm, I've only coded C in like 2 weeks :P
[04:23] <alumnos> where are you from?
[04:23] <[Vampis] > Sweden
[04:23] <alumnos> thanks
[04:23] <[Vampis] > Eeh ? Thanks what ?
[04:24] <Tainted-Wolf> Hes hacking YOU!!!
[04:24] <Tainted-Wolf> ROFL, :P
[04:24] <[Vampis] > well goodluck
[04:24] <] -[aunter> hi
[04:25] <alumnos> i working with my english i ve a exam
[04:25] <alumnos> d
[04:25] <[Vampis] >  /whois [Vampis]
[04:26] <alumnos> are you a man? vampis?
[04:26] <[Vampis] > No, I'm something in between
[04:26] <alumnos> well
[04:27] <[Vampis] > So, whats the deal with you, first you want help with C, then asks where I'm from, then english and now my sex ?
[04:27] <Tm_T> irrelevant, I think
[04:27] <alumnos> when you born you was a boy or a girl
[04:27] <[Vampis] > Both
[04:27] <Tm_T> [Vampis] : trying to get into your pants ;)
[04:27] <[Vampis] > Tm_T: ooh ;)
[04:27] <eBug> i can't get accented characters with oofice2
[04:27] <eBug> is this a known issue ?
[04:27] <alumnos> it is fun i just
[04:28] <eBug> breezy here
[04:28] <[Vampis] > But I'm afraid my fianc would dissagree ;)
[04:28] <eBug> accented characters everywhere but in oofice
[04:28] <eBug>
[04:28] <`Nomad> eBug: did you change your keyboard layout to the proper language?
[04:28] <eBug> see
[04:28] <`Nomad> oh really..
[04:29] <Tm_T> eBug: dunno, maybe font issue?
[04:29] <`Nomad> There must be an override in the OO settings
[04:29] <eBug> btw they show up fine with gnome
[04:29] <[Vampis] > alumnos: So you're from mehico ?
[04:29] <eBug> gnome+OO works fine
[04:29] <_alumnos> yes
[04:29] <_alumnos> how do you know that
[04:29] <`Nomad> weird.. You looked in the Languages settings in OO?
[04:30] <asraniel> hi, i have a strange problem!! i cant ping localhost (from this computer, the same from which im chating here)
[04:30] <[Vampis] > Then stop trying to get into my pants and bring me a Corona ;)
[04:30] <`Nomad> mine all show Default, and all works fine with french
[04:30] <kkathman> rofl
[04:30] <_alumnos> would you like it
[04:30] <_alumnos> ?
[04:30] <`Nomad_Away> !wfm
[04:30] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad_Away
[04:31] <eBug> `Nomad_Away, yes
[04:31] <Tainted-Wolf> Where can I find some tuts on C?
[04:31] <eBug> `Nomad_Away, what versions ?
[04:32] <_alumnos> How old are you vampis?
[04:32] <Tainted-Wolf> !c
[04:32] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tainted-Wolf
[04:32] <Tainted-Wolf> !C
[04:32] <ubotu> Tainted-Wolf: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:32] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: give it a rest will you ?
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> !coding
[04:33] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tainted-Wolf
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> Damnit.
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> :p
[04:33] <_alumnos> i do not understand the last part
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> !programming
[04:33] <ubotu> Tainted-Wolf: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:33] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: Hmm, how could I put it,... .leave me alone ? :P
[04:34] <_alumnos> wel if you want it
[04:34] <_alumnos> say me why
[04:34] <kkathman> _alumnos:  quantos annos ?
[04:34] <Tainted-Wolf> Where can I find tuts on C?
[04:35] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: you dont seem to know what u want ?, First C help, then where I'm from, then english lessons, then what sex I have, and age? ... So, what do u really want ?
[04:35] <[Vampis] > kkathman: I would guess 12 ;)
[04:35] <Tainted-Wolf> [Vampis] , HEs trying to hack you.
[04:35] <Tainted-Wolf> ;P
[04:36] <kkathman> [Vampis] : I'd say thats close
[04:36] <_alumnos> i am just playing with you
[04:36] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: Yes, The combination of my countra, my sex and my age is my root password ;)
[04:36] <[Vampis] > countra = country
[04:36] <[Vampis] > :)
[04:36] <Tainted-Wolf> Damn, you use it too?
[04:36] <_ganymed> hallo
[04:36] <Tainted-Wolf> :D
[04:36] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: And here I'm sitting and thinking I'm all alone ;)
[04:36] <kkathman> _alumnos:  this is not a chat channel, if you need help with #kubuntu, ask your question please
[04:36] <_ganymed> i have a problem setting up my wlan with encryption switched on...
[04:36] <[Vampis] > _ganymed: Witch encryption ?
[04:37] <[Vampis] > WEP or WPA-PSK ?
[04:37] <_ganymed> wep
[04:37] <Tainted-Wolf> Anyone?
[04:37] <_ganymed> 13 sign key 104 bits
[04:37] <[Vampis] > hm, dunno, I use wpa
[04:37] <_alumnos> are you angry?
[04:37] <[Vampis] > Just annoid
[04:37] <_ganymed> i know, wep is not the best, but better than nothing
[04:38] <[Vampis] > Exactly
[04:38] <[Vampis] > I havent tried to configure WEP so I'm afraid I cant help you
[04:38] <_ganymed> anybody here who knows what's going on with this kcontrol module for network config?
[04:39] <kkathman> _ganymed:  what are you trying to do in the network config part?
[04:39] <_ganymed> i tried setting up my wlan connection with it and it enters the key 2A2A...
[04:39] <_ganymed> which is wrong
[04:40] <_ganymed> bit it doesn't work with iwconfig either
[04:40] <kkathman> _ganymed:  in kcontrol?? thats odd... setting a WEP key is something you normally set on your router
[04:40] <[Vampis] > YES, Gene Simmons on tv on sunday !!! :D
[04:40] <kkathman> oh wait I get what your doing
[04:41] <_ganymed> i did that. but i have to enter the key for it for my device... otherwise i won't have a connection
[04:41] <_ganymed> the strange part is coming now:
[04:42] <_ganymed> i do iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey and check with iwlist eth1 key
[04:42] <kkathman> _ganymed:  this resource is a very good one:  http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kwifimanager/using.html
[04:42] <asraniel> if i ping localhost, ethereal shows me that my computer makes the reply packet, but i never recieve it..?? ip adress is correct etc, any ideas?
[04:42] <_ganymed> everything is fine until i do ifup eth1. it resets the key to 2A2A... .
[04:43] <[Vampis] > About time
[04:43] <Tainted-Wolf> ;)
[04:43] <_ganymed> but if i first do ifup eth1 and THEN (while it is requesting the dhcp server) do iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey it works...
[04:43] <_ganymed> kkathman: thx
[04:43] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: but I was expecting a ping-timeout
[04:43] <kkathman> hmmm
[04:43] <[Vampis] > ;)
[04:43] <Tainted-Wolf> lol
[04:44] <kkathman> _ganymed:  that may be a bug, have you tried looking for it in the bug system
[04:44] <kkathman> if not, I'd report that
[04:45] <_ganymed> well, the network module seems to be a bit tricky anyway when it comes to wlan... i guess, this is sth. that will be improved in the next release :)
[04:46] <[Vampis] >  *Getting some more coffee*
[04:46] <kkathman> _ganymed:  the network module in KDE for ubuntu has always been a little bit flaky
[04:46] <_ganymed> oh yes, kwifi... it crashes everytime i click on network search... without any notice
[04:47] <_ganymed> will this change? how do i search the bug system?
[04:48] <kkathman> _ganymed:  I believe there is a search capability there
[04:49] <_ganymed> sry
[04:49] <_ganymed> kkathman: what do you mean?
[04:49] <kkathman> _ganymed:   https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:49] <kkathman> there is a search feature there
[04:50] <_ganymed> thanks very much
[04:50] <kkathman> _ganymed:  np
[04:52] <thomas> does anyone know how to install the airsnort tool??? i need help
[04:53] <thomas> i always get the error message: "can't create execute tables"
[04:53] <[Vampis] > when do u get that ?`When you're running ./configure ?
[04:53] <_ganymed> ok, i'll try to reconnect. let's see. ciao and thx a lot
[04:54] <kkathman> thomas:  check Google, there is a specific article on that
[04:54] <kkathman> thomas: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/953531
[04:57] <MrSuper34> hi
[04:58] <[Vampis] > hi
[05:00] <pestilence> could somebody tell me why links clicked in mozilla thunderbird open in konqueror?
[05:00] <kkathman> pestilence:  because your default KDE setting is konqueror
[05:00] <pestilence> kkathman, where do i change that
[05:01] <[Vampis] > Thats wierd, I use konq. as default, but my links in firefox always opens in firefox
[05:01] <kkathman> pestilence:  alt-F2,  type kcontrol, then choose KDE components, choose Web Browser, and type firefox
[05:01] <kkathman> Im doing that by memory so I hope I didnt leave anything out
[05:02] <[Vampis] > nope
[05:02] <[Vampis] > mozilla-firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > not just firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > :)
[05:02] <[Vampis] > But then u got it right
[05:02] <pestilence> kkathman, under "component chooser"?  i already set that to firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > nope, my bad, firefox, not mozilla-firefox, that was in gnome
[05:03] <pestilence> [Vampis] , neither work for me.
[05:03] <kkathman> pestilence:  then there isnt a reason that I know of
[05:03] <[Vampis] > same here
[05:03] <pestilence> kkathman, perhaps it is a bug in the new kde
[05:03] <kkathman> unless someplace else you have a hard setting that says to open links in an external browser (in firefox)
[05:04] <[Vampis] > I use the new KDE and I dont have that problem
[05:04] <kkathman> pestilence: no  cuz mine works fine
[05:04] <kkathman> and Im on the newest KDE
[05:04] <pestilence> breezy packages, or dapper?
[05:04] <kkathman> breezy
[05:04] <[Vampis] > breezy
[05:05] <kkathman> if its dapper, thats not released software and just about anything goes there for bugs right now
[05:05] <[Vampis] > I should go and do the dishes
[05:05] <pestilence> kkathman, yea.
[05:06] <pestilence> i don't think there is a way to set a preferred browser from within thunderbird.
[05:06] <kkathman> pestilence:  I didnt think so
[05:06] <kkathman> thats the purpose of having the setting in kcontrol
[05:06] <[Vampis] > :)
[05:07] <[Vampis] > kkathman: you wanna do my dishes ? :)
[05:07] <kkathman> pestilence:  now one thing...be sure that if you have that web browser setting to "firefox" that its valid.  go to alt-f2 and type "firefox" and be sure it opens.
[05:08] <pestilence> kkathman, sure does
[05:08] <kkathman> [Vampis] :  I'll pass this time
[05:08] <kkathman> pestilence:  ok...gee I dunno then
[05:08] <pestilence> it's weird because thunderbird is the only app that does this...everything else opens in firefox
[05:08] <[Vampis] > hm, choose it in the list then
[05:08] <[Vampis] > hms
[05:09] <[Vampis] > copy paste ;)
[05:09] <[Vampis] > kkathman: daemn :)
[05:09] <pestilence> [Vampis] , ye, but that's a pain.
[05:09] <[Vampis] > then I gotta do it myself
[05:09] <[Vampis] > or else my fianc's gonna kill me
[05:09] <[Vampis] > :P
[05:09] <kkathman> pestilence:  what version of firefox?
[05:10] <pestilence> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20060127 Ubuntu/1.0.4 Firefox/1.5
[05:10] <pestilence> thunderbird: version 1.5 (20060119)
[05:10] <kkathman> hmmm
[05:13] <pestilence> what's the procedure for removing ubuntu-desktop?
[05:13] <pestilence> is that possible.
[05:13] <eightiesk> hello
[05:14] <eightiesk> does anyone know wherw i can find some info in kopete
[05:14] <kkathman> pestilence: well..Im thinking it HAS to be a firefox problem
[05:14] <eightiesk> it won't connect.
[05:14] <[Vampis] > hm, I had that problem the other day
[05:14] <kkathman> because firefox does its own thing..doesnt really respect KDE settings like, say Konq does
[05:14] <[Vampis] > It doesnt even try to connect ?
[05:15] <inc|freaky> is there a remote desktop solution for windows-> linux .... i have a laptop and a desktop pc ... i want to be able to control the linux GUI over my laptop (windows)
[05:15] <eightiesk> ya but when it does it discvonnects within seconds.
[05:15] <pestilence> kkathman, well, an aptitude dist-upgrade shows an update for firefox.  but i'd like to remove gnome first
[05:15] <[Vampis] > eightiesk: my didnt even tried to connect
[05:15] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: VNC
[05:15] <pestilence> is there a documented procedure for removing gnome (ubuntu-desktop)?
[05:15] <eightiesk> pestilence, yeah
[05:16] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : is that free?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > just activte the remote desktop service on the linux, and the install the VNC viewer in windows
[05:16] <eightiesk> pestilence, do a trerminal login then
[05:16] <[Vampis] > yep
[05:16] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : do you know where i can find that?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > vnc viewer?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > http://www.realvnc.com/download.html
[05:16] <inc|freaky> and server
[05:16] <eightiesk> pestilence, then do sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <[Vampis] > server its integrated in gnome and KDE
[05:17] <inc|freaky> thx :D
[05:17] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : ohhh, thx a lot :D
[05:17] <pestilence> eightiesk, i thought that would just remove the meta-package, and not all it's dependencies.  i guess i'll give that a shot
[05:17] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: you use KDE or Gnome ?
[05:17] <inc|freaky> kde ;D
[05:17] <kkathman> pestilence:  I'd guess you can do a sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <eightiesk> i mean.
[05:17] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: Internet / Desktop sharing then
[05:17] <inc|freaky> thx :D
[05:17] <[Vampis] > np
[05:17] <kkathman> but if you have gtk depependent apps they will cease to work
[05:17] <[Vampis] > NOW I'm going to pee
[05:18] <inc|freaky> im currently upgrading to breezy it takes some time to finish ^^
[05:18] <eightiesk> pestilence, alot of programs u use in KDE still need gnome lib. and such
[05:18] <pestilence> kkathman, eightiesk, it indeed only removes ubuntu-desktop -- a meta-package
[05:18] <pestilence> eightiesk, that may be, but there should be some way of removing the bulk of gnome
[05:19] <eightiesk> !removinggnome
[05:19] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[05:19] <eightiesk> i dunno
[05:19] <eightiesk> !gnome
[05:19] <pestilence> i mean, when you install kubuntu it doesn't install gnome too does it?
[05:19] <eightiesk> no
[05:19] <[Vampis] > no
[05:19] <eightiesk> just kde.
[05:20] <pestilence> right, so that's what i'm hoping to pare this down to.  maybe i shouldn't waste my time
[05:20] <eightiesk> this is my 3rd week using linux
[05:20] <pestilence> eightiesk, ah :)
[05:20] <eightiesk> and i'm learing fast
[05:20] <eightiesk> the key is to redo everything
[05:20] <eightiesk> over and over
[05:20] <eightiesk> till you know it inside and out
[05:21] <eightiesk> like in reinstall kubuntu daily.
[05:21] <eightiesk> and then all the software.
[05:21] <pestilence> eightiesk, i would think that other distros would force you to learn faster, but more power to you.
[05:21] <kkathman> pestilence:  kubuntu does not install anything gnome
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, right.  so how do i get back to that state :)
[05:22] <kkathman> just remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <eightiesk> well at work they us kubuntu
[05:22] <kkathman> that will remove virtually all things gnome
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, that's just a meta-package, removing it doesn't actually remove anything
[05:22] <eightiesk> thats the real reason...
[05:22] <kkathman> pestilence:  well give it a try and see if it doesnt :)
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, done.
[05:22] <pestilence> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:22] <pestilence>   ubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <Reborn> hello
[05:23] <eightiesk> pestilence, alot of things depend on ubuntu desktop to run.
[05:23] <eightiesk> pestilence, they will also be removed.
[05:23] <Reborn> what is the easiest way to install mplayer?
[05:23] <pestilence> eightiesk, not really, if you are using full-out kde
[05:23] <eightiesk> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:24] <kkathman> pestilence:  if you remove ubuntu-desktop, you wont have gnome or any of its components, or apps
[05:24] <Reborn> i can't find mplayer in the repositories
[05:24] <pestilence> kkathman, that's the idea :)
[05:24] <kkathman> then remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <pestilence> kkathman, so ubuntu-desktop has a lot of dependencies, but nothing depends on it.  that's why removing it doesn't remove anything
[05:25] <eightiesk> u need to
[05:25] <Reborn> could not find package mplayer
[05:25] <eightiesk> add multiverse to the end of the universe re
[05:25] <kkathman> sigh
[05:25] <kkathman> ok  well suit yourself
[05:27] <vir--> hi.. i've a problem.. i've built a own kernel.. but i cant boot it.. i've compiled ext3 support into the kernel.. but the kernel dont generate a initrd.img.. how do create a new initrd for my new kernel?.. or how do i get rid of the "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) "
[05:27] <pestilence> kkathman, you don't believe me?  i just removed ubuntu-desktop, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7948
[05:29] <Reborn> do you know of a repository that has mplayer in it?
[05:30] <pestilence> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/graphics/mplayer-586
[05:30] <pestilence> !tell Reborn about multiverse
[05:30] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : umm, i need a real server, without the need of invitations ...
[05:30] <inc|freaky> i mean the remote desktop sharing
[05:30] <kkathman> pestilence:  did you install kubuntu from disk?
[05:31] <kkathman> pestilence:  and did you use aptitude to isntall ubuntu-desktop?
[05:31] <pestilence> kkathman, i installed kubuntu with "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu
[05:31] <pestilence> i think i'm just going to start removing the gnome packages.  one of them is bound to snare a huge chunk of the install
[05:32] <eightiesk> pestilence,  try sudo apt-get remove-dep ubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <kkathman> hmmm Im just curious why the aptitude remove wont remove then...cuz its supposed to keep up with dependencies...if it doesnt, then all this talk of "RPM Hell" is just as founded in Debian/ubuntu :)
[05:32] <pestilence> invalid operation :-D
[05:32] <eightiesk> ic.
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, like i said, ubuntu-desktop depends on a lot of things
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, but i don't think any package depends on it
[05:33] <eightiesk> ususally add -dep and it will install or remove anything u need
[05:33] <kkathman> pestilence:  icck definitely a bad thing I fear
[05:33] <pestilence> eightiesk, i think the only -dep that works is build-dep
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, i think i saw a program that removes the dependencies smartly.
[05:33] <eightiesk> no ive removed gaim that way.
[05:34] <eightiesk> and my dam Kopete still won't connect
[05:38] <arrinmurr> pestilence: so you want all the gnome stuff gone, rigth? i could give you a list of packages that would be installed on my kubuntu if i installed ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <pestilence> arrinmurr, that would work :-D
[05:39] <gibarian> hey everyone...
[05:41] <eightiesk> w00t kopete connected
[05:41] <eightiesk> not anyone know if i can move the folders around?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: or here, rather :)
[05:42] <pestilence> eightiesk, what is your question?
[05:42] <arrinmurr> pestilence: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537125
[05:43] <eightiesk> like in kopete how do i move the folders around?
[05:43] <eightiesk> in the buddy list
[05:43] <pestilence> eightiesk, dunno.  i use gaim
[05:44] <pestilence> you can do that in gaim.
[05:44] <eightiesk> me2 since its first release.
[05:44] <eightiesk> but i wanna try kopete.
[05:45] <pestilence> arrinmurr, thank you
[05:46] <pestilence> arrinmurr, xchat xchat-common haha i'll lose this window if i uninstall those
[05:46] <inc|freaky> where can i download kakuake?
[05:47] <arrinmurr> pestilence: well, konversation is better anyway ;)
[05:47] <pestilence> lemme fire it up and see
[05:47] <apokryphos> inc|freaky: do you mean yakuake?
[05:48] <humboldt> is there a way to send a message to a kde desktop user (or all current xserver users) from the console or from an other kde session? something like net send?
[05:54] <_JakubS> humboldt: dcop --all-sessions --all-users knotify something
[05:54] <_JakubS> as root
[05:54] <humboldt> cool
[05:54] <humboldt> and is there a way to speak to a specific user?
[05:54] <_JakubS> dcop --help
[05:55] <Riddell> apokryphos: hmm?
[05:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: regarding the "installing akode-mpeg wants to remove juk, kttsd etc"
[05:59] <cheese> how do i install ati linux display drivers?
[05:59] <apokryphos> cheese: /msg ubotu ati
[06:03] <seashell11> /ubotu tell cheese about ati
[06:04] <evilh> my dvd playback is super choppy and putting my cpu usage at 100%. any ideas as to why and how to fix?
[06:09] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[06:09] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a problem about shutting down:
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> When i go tu the "kde" menu -> logout -> shutdown
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> during the shutdown it throw forme 2 errors
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> like windows's "don't send" window...
[06:10] <inc|freaky> hi all. how can i install the nvidia drivers ?
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> the klauncher and the kicker going to frozen...
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=nvidia&titlesearch=C%ADmek#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> inc|freaky ^^
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> so, anybody has an idea?
[06:15] <maxtor> hii
[06:15] <maxtor> i need help
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> detto
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> :DDD
[06:15] <_maxtor> somebody can help me??
[06:16] <apokryphos> !helpme
[06:16] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you not write your question, nobody going to answer for you:)
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> my english is bad, so ubotu has the powa!:)
[06:16] <_maxtor> Im noob in this, i want to know how install programs, i read toturials but i dont undestand them
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> _maxtor , i'm using linux about a week but i have a little knowledge about this.
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> so you can isntall packages
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> packages are the programs
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> like editors, drivers anything
[06:18] <_maxtor> :(
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> the package isntalling vas easyer than the simple download -> configure compile
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> go to: kde menu -> system utilities (or sg) and find adept
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you type "adept" to the terminal its the same
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> adept is a pacakge manager
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> easy to use, you tipe what you want, check it and install.
[06:19] <kkathman> _maxtor:  are you familiar with the Adept tool?
[06:19] <_maxtor> nop im NOOB.... sorry
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> many package manager available
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the easiest is the apt-get :)
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> in terminal
[06:20] <_maxtor> ok
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get mozilla-thunderbird
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> but in adept you have a gui, a graphical finding section etc
[06:20] <kkathman> _maxtor:  you might want to read up on  packages and Adept, or Aptitude before attempting installs. You'll definitely want to do your first update as soon as possible
[06:20] <_maxtor> ok
[06:21] <MetaMorfoziS> kkathman: have you an idea about my problem? ^^
[06:21] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  flooding a little bude
[06:21] <kkathman> hehe
[06:21] <_maxtor> i only want program in C++ and JAVA
[06:21] <kkathman> what issue do you have?
[06:21] <kkathman> _maxtor:  get your system updated first if you've just installed
[06:21] <_maxtor> ok
[06:21] <MetaMorfoziS> [2006-02-03 18:21:20]  <kkathman> what issue do you have? <- for me?
[06:21] <kkathman> _maxtor:  its good to read alot at first
[06:21] <_maxtor> ok
[06:22] <kkathman> yes MetaMorfoziS
[06:22] <inc|freaky> umm, what sources are there for kubuntu, which i can add to the sources.list? is there a contrib and a non-free tree?
[06:22] <_maxtor> kkathman i have to many package for install
[06:22] <MetaMorfoziS> i've got 1-2 error window at shutting down from kde (not halt)
[06:22] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  only about 17,000
[06:22] <MetaMorfoziS> about klauncher and kicker is "not responding"
[06:22] <inc|freaky> yea, is there a contrib or non-free source?
[06:22] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  for what?
[06:23] <kkathman> all the source is free more or less
[06:23] <inc|freaky> i know
[06:23] <kkathman> give or take a few things
[06:23] <inc|freaky> nm ^^
[06:23] <kkathman> inc|freaky: im not sure what you are asking specifically
[06:23] <kkathman> _maxtor:  what do you mean that you have too many packages?
[06:23] <_maxtor> hey kkathman i have a acer lc2413lci notebook but i dont know if my wireles card was installed
[06:23] <_maxtor> mmm
[06:24] <kkathman> _maxtor:  you mean in your computer?  or if kubuntu installed the software for it
[06:24] <inc|freaky> kkathman: thx, im trying to install the nvidia drivers the "debian way" but that doesnt work. and im using the k7 kernel so the tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesnt work, too
[06:24] <_maxtor> kubuntu
[06:25] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  if you have a debian package you can use dpkg -i
[06:25] <inc|freaky> i dont have any
[06:25] <inc|freaky> it says
[06:25] <inc|freaky> "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed igoring this package
[06:25] <inc|freaky> ;D
[06:25] <kkathman> inc|freaky: you cant really interchange debian and kubuntu packages
[06:25] <kkathman> so if you are trying to, thats a prob
[06:25] <inc|freaky> yo
[06:26] <inc|freaky> im trying to install the nvidia drivers
[06:26] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  from the ubuntu repos?
[06:26] <inc|freaky> generally, the way how to do so
[06:27] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  see if this helps:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[06:28] <kkathman> if not, Google "nvidia driver install Ubuntu" and you'll get a lot of resources
[06:31] <inc|freaky> thx ^^
[06:31] <Reborn> is there a way to stop dvd playback from stuttering with okle/vlc/xine?
[06:36] <arrinmurr> Reborn: do you have dma enabled on your dvd-drive?
[06:36] <Reborn> i just did that... and it works now... but do i have to do that everytime i want to play one?
[06:37] <arrinmurr> Reborn: there's instructions on how to get it permanent https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[06:37] <Reborn> thanks
[06:41] <Nirvana> !dma
[06:42] <Nirvana> aww, there's an ubotu fact for DMA!
[06:45] <blueyed> Where's the list of used locales on the system? The one that "locale -a" outputs?
[07:05] <asraniel> i just installed the ATI drivers, now all my fonts are huge. how can i solve that?
[07:06] <Nirvana> asraniel: go to kcontrol
[07:07] <Nirvana> asraniel: under appearence & themes > fonts
[07:08] <Nirvana> Wait, do you mean to tell me you have to install drivers for ATI cards? I have a RAGE mobility, and it was sensed, and I didn't install any drivers... must only be an issue with newer cards (mines ~3 years old)
[07:09] <Nirvana> ^^ hehe
[07:09] <Nirvana> booted because someone regged that nick already :P
[07:10] <asraniel> Nirvana: no you dont have to, but my X server felt slow.. but the font change wont solve it, because everything it too big. i think its a dpi problem.. perhaps i can find the sollution
[07:11] <Nirvana> asraniel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:11] <Nirvana> WOW! LAG = 55 s
[07:11] <asraniel> Nirvana: what does that command exactly do?
[07:12] <Nirvana> reconfigures your xserver (fixes most resolution problems)
[07:12] <Nirvana> ohh
[07:12] <Nirvana> btw, it requires root, so sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:12] <Nirvana> !dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:12] <ubotu> Nirvana: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:13] <Nirvana> nope, ubotu can't help :P
[07:18] <tecs> whenusing the add printer wizard...which should i choose if my printer in an hp 720 c....HP? or HP(HPLIP)? then what model Deskjet 720 c or Deskjet 720 c pnm2ppa?
[07:19] <hatake_kakashi> asraniel: it basically goes through the xorg configuration file but doing it in a more friendlier sort of manner
[07:19] <hatake_kakashi> asraniel: and btw, you should consider getting your video card's specific linux binary if possible
[07:21] <Nirvana> tecs: I'd say try the plain one first
[07:23] <tecs> but it wont work.... acctually both wont.
[07:25] <tecs> does kde print manager come with kde desktop naturally or do i have to add it too?
[07:26] <tecs> because it wont load up when i click it
[07:27] <inc|freaky> where can i get the kde3.5 packages from which are said to be updated
[07:28] <inc|freaky> i upgraded to breezy from hoary an jhour ago still got kde3.4.something
[07:30] <sampan> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:30] <evilh> whats a good, easy to use firewall?
[07:32] <sampan> evilh, by default, (k)ubuntu has no services turned on that listen for (uninvited) external packets.  unless you're running a server of some kind (non-default), you don't really need a firewall at all.
[07:33] <sampan> evilh  but, if you still want one, firestarter (in the repos) is easy to install, set up, and allows for on-the-fly changes to iptables
[07:33] <evilh> sampan: ok thanks. since i dont need one then no point messing with one
[07:34] <inc|freaky> WTF happened to firefox and thunderbird?!? they cant be installed into the bin directory anymore i have to execute it in the unextracted directory!!!!
[07:34] <inc|freaky> so no F2 --> firefox anymore
[07:34] <inc|freaky> :(((
[07:35] <howcomes> inc|freaky are you trying to upgrade to 1.5 ?
[07:35] <inc|freaky> i installed the breezy packages and noticed they're old so i downloaded the .tar.gzs and found out that theres no installer
[07:35] <inc|freaky> for any of them
[07:36] <howcomes> i see
[07:36] <inc|freaky> :(((((
[07:36] <inc|freaky> that REALLY!!! sucks
[07:36] <howcomes> well i can tell you how to upgrade to Firefox 1.5
[07:36] <inc|freaky> no i think i will install windows again, there i can at least install firefox and thunderbird
[07:37] <rich0rd> lol
[07:37] <rich0rd> just do that
[07:37] <inc|freaky> just be quiet
[07:37] <howcomes> inc|freaky
[07:37] <howcomes> look at this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:37] <inc|freaky> yea?
[07:37] <inc|freaky> thx
[07:37] <howcomes> that will get you upgraded to firefox 1.5
[07:38] <howcomes> the same instructions may work for Thunderbird as well
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody have a little time to write me a very little bash script?
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> i want a keyboard changer script, which view the current keymap, and if its us set it to hu and if it hu set it to en
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> setxkbmap hu
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> setxkbmap us
[07:40] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody?
[07:40] <Ra211> how do I upgrade to KDE 3.5.1?
[07:40] <MetaMorfoziS> Ra211: simply, apt-get upgrade
[07:41] <Ra211> 0 upgraded, 0 installed, etc...?
[07:41] <howcomes> Ra211
[07:41] <howcomes> I wrote a HOWTO , gimme a sec to get it
[07:41] <howcomes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124812
[07:41] <howcomes> there ya go
[07:41] <weedar> there's also a link on the kubuntu homepage
[07:42] <Ra211> thanks... was looking for that on the forums already
[07:42] <weedar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[07:42] <rizo> please help somebody with kde and gnome font conflict can't change fonts in gnome and google reader not looking right in all browsers
[07:43] <rizo> because of font
[07:43] <rizo> file:///home/rizo/Desktop/greader.png
[07:44] <rizo> please help somebody with kde and gnome font conflict can't change fonts in gnome and google reader not looking right in all browsers because of the font issue..
[07:49] <nat> is someone is using raki ?
[08:24] <GuS> Hi!
[08:24] <GuS> People... i wanna ask.. wich ML i must join to help with Spanish translations for Kubuntu apps?
[08:25] <GuS> or wich place...
[08:29] <trappist> |GuS|: try in #kubuntu-es
[08:29] <|GuS|> thanks
[08:31] <Riddell> |GuS|: kubuntu will not be in launchpad.net for translations for another couple of months yet when dapper opens for translation
[08:31] <Riddell> |GuS|: you can always help the KDE spanish team in the mean time
[08:31] <|GuS|> Ok Riddell , thanks for the Tip :)
[08:31] <lwizardl> hi
[08:32] <lwizardl> does the x86 install cd have an option for laptops with small hd's
[08:33] <|GuS|> Well.. thanks!.. cya around!
[08:40] <visik7> |wizard| use xubuntu or run ubuntu-server
[08:44] <lwizardl> whats xubuntu
[08:45] <weedar> I installed firefox 1.5 directly from the tarball, instead of following the guide. How wrong was that?
[08:45] <ziza> weedar: nothing wrong in that
[08:46] <weedar> Some pages don't play movies, although mplayer worked for the old firefox. Any tips ziza? :)
[08:48] <ziza> hm, i'm sorry, but i'm not that much into embedded media on webpages you know, but maybe it's because the mplayer plugin for firefox can't be found by FF 1.5
[08:48] <ziza> i think i have the same problem, but i'm too lazy to configure it :)
[08:50] <ziza> if i really want to see embedded media i just look into the sourcecode, download the streaming file and open it explicitly with the player of my choice :)
[08:51] <ziza> what a terrific helper i am :D
[08:52] <weedar> I think you're doing fine :)
[08:52] <ziza> hehe
[08:53] <weedar> I should probably google some more first, then ask somewhere again
[08:54] <ziza> maybe a search on www.ubuntuforums.org might help
[08:57] <lwizardl> so if i install kubuntu as a server i should beable to change it to a desktop style correct?
[08:57] <weedar> ziza, the answer was right infront of me..  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/* . =)
[08:58] <weedar> It wa actually in the guide I didn't follow
[08:58] <ziza> cool
[08:59] <humboldt> Does anybody know how to get the kwrited to work in ubuntu breezy? I read in some mailing list that it was disabled in debian due to some security reason. However, I think this is an important piece of software for delivering messages of all sort directly to the users (like please save all your work, system is on UPS now due to power failure, system will shut down in 10 minutes if power does not come back online).
[09:00] <ziza> kwrited = kwrite?
[09:00] <ziza> has been working all the time on my system
[09:06] <m_tadeu> hi...i have mounted a partition with write permissions, but some directories are read only...howcome?
[09:08] <CarstenP> which games should i try?
[09:08] <evilh> kbounce rocks
[09:08] <ziza> Solitaire :P
[09:08] <smoet> uhm, because it only means you can write to the partition. that doesn't mean everything on the partition has write permissions.
[09:10] <m_tadeu> smoet: its a fat32 and all directories were created with windows, so they should have the same permission settings, i guess
[09:12] <smoet> oh sorry i thought you were talking about a linux filesystem. then i don't know why that is
[09:15] <CarstenP> is there a website with some k-games?
[09:16] <evilh> there is all kinds of games in the repositories
[09:16] <CarstenP> i mean, where they are presented? i am looking for puzzle type games, but i dont know the names
[09:16] <specialbuddy> how do I get a root terminal up
[09:16] <humboldt> ziza: kwrite is an editor. kwrited is a daemon to receive and display message sent via wall and write some old old UNIX messaging tools (very rudimentary but usefull).
[09:16] <specialbuddy> because it won't let me in ever after I install
[09:16] <evilh> if you hover over the package itll give a short description
[09:18] <m_tadeu> is there a tool to convert a fat32 to ext3( without formating )?
[09:21] <vandal> hey where can i get a list of repository mirrors?
[09:21] <vandal> mine appears down
[09:21] <thehil> Some people reported that after an upgrade of KDE on Kubuntu5.10, you cannot unlock the screen if you lock it.
[09:22] <fatbrain> Hi, I have installed Subversion on my kubuntu, do I need apache to access the svn repository from a remote location?
[09:22] <thehil> vandal, from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:22] <thehil> fatbrain: I guess not
[09:23] <fatbrain> thehil: Do I have to start some svn application on my kubuntu?
[09:23] <fatbrain> thehil: like, some sort of service or something?
[09:23] <thehil> fatbrain: svn is independent from Apache. are you running it as a client or a server?
[09:23] <fatbrain> server
[09:23] <fatbrain> I want to access my svn repo from another computer (using tcp)
[09:24] <thehil> fatbrain: try to locate the server of svn from /etc/init.d/
[09:24] <thehil> fatbrain: I dont use svn but I would try /etc/init.d/svn restart to start it
[09:24] <monteiro> when i install something with "adept" the program crashes. Anyone knows how to solve that?
[09:25] <thehil> monteiro: give the crash debug info
[09:25] <fatbrain> thehil: ok, thanks, I'll try that
[09:26] <lwizardl> after i install kde (kdm) how do i start it
[09:26] <thehil> fatbrain: Hope you find more info from google
[09:27] <thehil> lwizardl: if you want to start KDE, startkde: /usr/bin/startkde would do it; if you want to switch from xdm to kdm, you have to edit files in /etc
[09:28] <lwizardl> startkde not found
[09:29] <thehil> lwizardl: I can find startkde in my system. How did you install KDE?
[09:29] <lwizardl> sudo apt-get install kdm
[09:30] <thehil> lwizardl: you installed kdm not kde. do you have kde?
[09:30] <lwizardl> i don't think so
[09:31] <paulvolk> Hey guys
[09:31] <thehil> lwizardl: why do you want kdm if you dont have kde? kdm is probably in /etc/kde/kdm /usr/bin/kdm
[09:32] <lwizardl> trying to install it i was told to do a server install
[09:32] <lwizardl> but i need a gui and prefer kde
[09:32] <g33k> hi
[09:32] <g33k> can anyone help me with an kubuntu problem ?
[09:32] <g33k> i am new
[09:32] <thehil> g33k: what problem/
[09:32] <paulvolk> I want to install linux on a second hd and have windows on the primary. I have windows installed on the primary and have about 1 gig on the primary if it is needed. how do I install Kubuntu so that I have a dual boot system?
[09:32] <g33k> okay i explain
[09:33] <g33k> if i use apt-get i get an error with eagle-usb-utils
[09:33] <specialbuddy> how do I get a root terminal
[09:33] <thehil> paulvolk: you can boot kubuntu and install it if you have a 2nd HD. It will produce dual boot by default
[09:33] <g33k> i have to configure it or simething like that
[09:33] <thehil> specialbuddy: sudo -s
[09:34] <g33k> what is eagle-usb-utils
[09:34] <g33k> and how to configure ?
[09:34] <specialbuddy> thanks
[09:35] <thehil>  g33k: nenver heard of it
[09:35] <g33k> mmhh okay
[09:35] <paulvolk> ok but I have windows on the primary and 1 gig on the primary if needed but the bios is so old that I can not choose to boot from the secondary instead of primary
[09:35] <thehil>  g33k: why do you need it?
[09:35] <g33k> because of this error i cant use apt-get
[09:35] <g33k> and apt is very important
[09:36] <g33k> i just wanna install mp3 for amarok
[09:36] <thehil> paulvolk: you will modify MBR (boot master record) to produce dual boot. 1 gigabyte for kubuntu is not enough. You need 2 to have a full functional kubuntu
[09:36] <beefsprocket> paulvolk, grub (grand unified bootloader) will detect your installations, both ubuntu and windows and give you the choice of either one
[09:37] <thehil> g33k: eloberate the error more
[09:37] <g33k> eloberate ?
[09:38] <g33k> mmh okay
[09:38] <g33k> i wll try
[09:38] <paulvolk> but I only have 1 gig and I have a secon hd that is free
[09:38] <thehil> g33k: elaborate the error
[09:39] <g33k> at the end there is an error like this
[09:39] <g33k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:39] <paulvolk> I want the boot part on the primary and the data stored (like programs) on the secondary
[09:39] <beefsprocket> paulvolk, so do you have the 2nd hdd connected as slave to the primary ide channel?
[09:39] <thehil> g33k: what was before that
[09:39] <paulvolk> um I am not sure
[09:39] <weedar> What is the prefered partitioning tool with a GUI for kubuntu?
[09:40] <thehil> paulvolk: elaborate your disk schema
[09:40] <LjL> weedar: you could use qtparted
[09:40] <beefsprocket> is it on the same cable as the other hard drive or is it on a cdrom's cable?
[09:40] <thehil> weedar: Theres no GUI partition tool by default in kubuntu
[09:40] <g33k> it said "Configure eagle-usb-utils ein ...."
[09:40] <thehil>  weedar: grub is prefered
[09:40] <g33k> Then came an error
[09:40] <paulvolk> probobly same cable as the hd
[09:40] <g33k> moment
[09:41] <g33k> dpkg: Error configure eagle-usb-utils (--configure):
[09:41] <thehil> paulvolk: I have only few minutes to help you. Give me the partitions on the disks. how many disk do you have?
[09:41] <weedar> I will look into those LjL and thehil
[09:41] <paulvolk> 2 disks
[09:41] <g33k> Subprocess post-installation script has Errorcode 127
[09:41] <thehil> g33k: you were installing eagle-usb-utils but apt failed to configure it
[09:41] <LjL> thehil: is grub a partition editor as well?
[09:42] <g33k> i translate the error from german to english
[09:42] <g33k> its not 1:1
[09:42] <thehil> paulvolk: 2 empty disks? elaborate them
[09:42] <g33k> yes
[09:42] <paulvolk> primary is 40 gigs slave 10 I have 1 gig free on primary the rest is windows
[09:42] <thehil> g33k: why do you use German version?
[09:42] <weedar> I'd love a partitioning tool with a GUI and the possibility to format partitions with different formats (ext3,fat32,ntfs, etc..)
[09:42] <paulvolk> the slave is empty
[09:42] <StR> Hi all...
[09:42] <g33k> because i am german ^^
[09:42] <thehil> weedar: webmin has a GUI for grub.
[09:43] <StR> I have a problem with my kontact in kde3.51 ... it crashes if I select the mail vew, and then return to summary....
[09:43] <thehil>  g33k: Damn German. The same as my roommate.
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: I take that back. Some german girls are HOT!
[09:43] <weedar> which reminds me, I installed webmin some time ago.. I was unable to log in
[09:43] <g33k> Are you studing ?
[09:43] <weedar> do I have to make a root account thehil ?
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: in www.cwu.edu
[09:43] <g33k> Where are you from ?
[09:43] <thehil>  weedar : normally no. whats the purpose?
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: China. I am located in USA now
[09:44] <weedar> thehil, to log into webmin :)
[09:44] <thehil>  g33k: are you in USA?
[09:44] <g33k> You are from China ?
[09:44] <LjL> weedar: qtparted can do that, i think
[09:44] <thehil>  g33k: Do you instant message?
[09:44] <g33k> Very nice i like asian.
[09:44] <g33k> yes
[09:44] <weedar> LjL, ah I see I was looking at the wrong program, Kqtparted
[09:44] <thehil> g33k: what IM do you use?
[09:44] <paulvolk> thehil did you hear me?
[09:45] <StR> can anyone checks if kontact crashes too in kde 3.5.1?
[09:45] <g33k> i use Kopete with ICQ
[09:45] <jindiaz> hey can anyone help me really quick here?  i need some help setting up a windows xp and linux network
[09:45] <thehil> weedar: make an root account and install webmin. it should work
[09:45] <weedar> thehil, so in other words webmin won't work in kubuntu with a root-account?
[09:45] <thehil>  g33k: you can add my AIM: allhilbert . I will help you later.
[09:45] <g33k> okay
[09:45] <g33k> thanks
[09:46] <thehil> weedar: probably without a root account
[09:46] <thehil>  weedar: Mine is working
[09:46] <paulvolk> thehil can you please help me?
[09:46] <weedar> thehil, with your normal account?
[09:46] <_Blaise> hello everyone
[09:46] <thehil>  paulvolk: with my normal account? what do you mean? are you trying to make webmin work?
[09:46] <thehil>  paulvolk: I have to go in 4 min
[09:47] <thehil>  paulvolk: Quick! Shoot it!
[09:47] <paulvolk> no with the install issue
[09:47] <paulvolk> on the 2 hd?
[09:47] <jindiaz> yah... um anyone?
[09:47] <jindiaz> please
[09:47] <kkathman> jindiaz: whats the problem?
[09:47] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: what's up?
[09:47] <thehil> paulvolk: I have experience with it enough and Id like to help you but I have to go. I will leave my email and you can reach me
[09:47] <paulvolk> ok
[09:47] <jindiaz> just quickly. how would i go about setting up a windows xp and linux netwrok
[09:48] <paulvolk> what is your email?
[09:48] <thehil> paulvolk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hil
[09:48] <weedar> thehil, yes I asked if webmin worked with your normal user account, without the need to install/create a root account
[09:48] <paulvolk> ok
[09:48] <paulvolk> thanks
[09:48] <kkathman> jindiaz: be sure that your windows areas are shared first
[09:48] <g33k> thehil, got an  UIN ?
[09:48] <thehil>  g33k: i dont use ICQ. I use AIM
[09:48] <jindiaz> ok, so set those as shared folders first?
[09:48] <kkathman> jindiaz: yes
[09:49] <g33k> Did i have to make me an AIM account first ?
[09:49] <jindiaz> ok, one moment, this will only take a second
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: its best if all boxes are on the same workgroup too
[09:49] <g33k> Dont know AIM, never used it
[09:49] <thehil>  g33k: probably not. They are compatible . try to force to add me. If you have gmail, you can add me too
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: on your linix box you
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: on the linux box you will want to run samba
[09:50] <g33k> okay i will try
[09:50] <kkathman> jindiaz: actually if you installed from the disk and have no probelems connecting to the net, when you open conqueror they should be seen
[09:50] <jindiaz> ok so i put one folder as a share to start with, from there ill do the rest later
[09:50] <thehil> weedar: When I installed webmin, I had my root password configured. Whats your problem of webmin?
[09:50] <jindiaz> o really?
[09:50] <thehil>  g33k:  do you have gmail?
[09:51] <weedar> thehil, my problem is the inability to login to webmin, but then again I don't have a separate root account
[09:51] <jindiaz> where would they be in konquerer?
[09:51] <_home> is there a goog media player for kubuntu 5.10?
[09:51] <thehil>  g33k: Add my gmail account by accessing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hil
[09:51] <kkathman> jindiaz: yes, open Konqueror and you should see them, or put in their network address  as  smb://192.168.x.y  whatever it is
[09:51] <weedar> _home, yes there are many. VLC, mplayer, xine and others
[09:51] <thehil> weedar: try to re-configure webmin from apt-get
[09:51] <kkathman> jindiaz:  those without the $ will be the shared folders
[09:52] <weedar> thehil, good idea, I'll look into that. Thank you :)
[09:52] <kkathman> jindiaz: try those things first, if you have probs, then you may have firewall things, etc
[09:52] <jindiaz> uhhh i dont see anything there
[09:53] <_home> can anyone help me installing vlc?
[09:53] <jindiaz> when i open samba it says its unable to find any workgroups
[09:53] <kkathman> jindiaz:  as I mentioned above..they need to be on the same workgroup
[09:53] <kkathman> they dont NEED to be, but its best
[09:54] <jindiaz> damn.  ok how do i do that with these?  they are linked through a switch
[09:54] <jindiaz> then to a router
[09:54] <jindiaz> then to modem
[09:54] <jindiaz> etc etc
[09:54] <g33k> I am registering at AIM
[09:54] <g33k> then i will add you
[09:55] <_Blaise> Can someone tell me where to find my boot logs please?
[09:56] <trispace> _Blaise: in /var/log/dmesg you'll find the kernel boot log
[09:58] <_Blaise> thanks!
[09:58] <kkathman> jindaz check your windows box and see what the workgroup is
[09:58] <jindiaz> ok one sec
[09:58] <kkathman> or
[09:59] <kkathman> check what your linux box workgroup is and change the windows one
[09:59] <kkathman> whichever you want
[09:59] <kkathman> the WORKGROUP setting for your linux is in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:00] <_home> is there no synaptic in kubuntu??
[10:00] <beefsprocket> nope
[10:00] <beefsprocket> but you can use adept etc. to get it if you really really need it
[10:01] <kkathman> _home yes there is
[10:01] <jindiaz> the windows one ios the default, mshome
[10:01] <kkathman> jindiaz: ok you can change either one..its your choice
[10:02] <jindiaz> ok so ill just change the linux one to make it easy
[10:02] <jindiaz> so where do i edit that file?
[10:02] <jindiaz> or how... to be more precise
[10:02] <kkathman> jindiaz:  edit at root,  the file  /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:03] <kkathman> jindiaz:  look for the line WORKGROUP=
[10:03] <jindiaz> at root?  i cant do it through konquerer?
[10:03] <kkathman> jindiaz:  no
[10:03] <jindiaz> crap
[10:04] <jindiaz> ok, where then?  and in konquerer, it does say workgroup = mshome btw
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> small price to pay in exchange for security.
[10:04] <kkathman> jindiaz:  if you are on kubuntu,  alt-f2 then type  kdesu kate
[10:04] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  I am on a phone call..can you help jindiaz please
[10:04] <jindiaz> cool, got kate oppen
[10:04] <kkathman> he's just trying to see his windows shares
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah.
[10:05] <kkathman> thanx
[10:05] <jindiaz> thanx kkathman
[10:05] <jindiaz> and lee
[10:05] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  he needs to check the workgroup..thats where I was goin
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: now file->open and open your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:06] <jindiaz> ok cool, got it up
[10:06] <StR> Hi all
[10:06] <StR> anyone could help me check if kontact crashes?
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: make sure it's set to workgroup = MSHOME
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> if in fact that is the name of the workgroup.
[10:06] <jindiaz> yup, it already does
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: lemme read back a bit and see what's going on.
[10:08] <StR> anyone else with kde 3.5.1 with a crashing kontact?
[10:08] <jindiaz> haha ok man, ill be waiting here
[10:09] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: how are you testing to see if you can see your other machine?
[10:10] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: from a shell try typing 'smbclient -L localhost' just hit [enter]  and password prompt and paste your results to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:10] <weedar> Any ideas why a computer running kubuntu would freeze after installing a harddrive that at least in theory works?
[10:10] <jindiaz> ummm im not
[10:11] <jindiaz> in terminal right?
[10:11] <jindiaz> just type that?
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: if you open konqueror in location what do you see if you type 'smb:/' [enter]
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: yeah
[10:12] <LeeJunFan> w/o the ' marks
[10:12] <LjL> weedar: uh, dunno, i suppose the master/slave jumpers are set correctly?
[10:12] <jindiaz> a message pops up.  unable to find any computers in your local network
[10:12] <jindiaz> and yah i typed that in to terminal, it says...
[10:13] <jindiaz> Error connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (Connection refused)
[10:13] <weedar> LjL, yes the harddrive is set as master on the secondary IDE. When on cable-select linux wouldn't boot properly (for some odd reason it set itself to slave which is the same as the cd-rom drive)
[10:13] <jindiaz> Connection to localhost failed
[10:13] <LjL> weedar: what does it mean that it "freezes"?
[10:13] <weedar> The freeze occured after having booted and while running as normal. The hard-drive wasn't even in use at the time of the freeze
[10:13] <LjL> oh
[10:13] <LjL> did that only happen once?
[10:14] <weedar> yes it happened just now
[10:14] <weedar> the reason why I quit last time
[10:14] <LjL> well, i know linux doesn't crash very often, but perhaps it was just a coincidence
[10:14] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: what about in konqueror?
[10:14] <LeeJunFan> smb:/
[10:14] <jindiaz> yah it says "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network"
[10:15] <LjL> weedar: couldn't your power supply be overloaded?
[10:15] <weedar> LjL, that is my current theory since I got this hard-drive after replacing it with another one that gave the same result
[10:15] <weedar> LjL, although to be fair the other one also gave an error during boot-up (S.M.A.R.T.)
[10:15] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: odd, I have a similar setup here, one winxp home, and my linux box w/o samba-server, just like yours, I've not touched any configs.
[10:15] <weedar> while this one did not
[10:16] <weedar> did/does
[10:16] <LjL> weedar: well, install the smart utilities to be sure
[10:16] <LjL> weedar: the package name is smartmontools i think
[10:16] <weedar> LjL, great tip, thank you!
[10:17] <LjL> weedar: i don't think that will tell you anything if the power supply is the problem, though
[10:17] <weedar> Well, the psu and casing is fairly new..
[10:18] <jindiaz> me neither
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: do you have a firewall setup on your windows box?
[10:18] <LjL> weedar: perhaps also get sensord, that can monitor some voltages and stuff if your motherboard has that feature
[10:18] <StR> Riddell: are you there?
[10:18] <jindiaz> ummmmm on the windows i have sygate and peerguardian running,
[10:18] <LjL> weedar: actually, lm-sensors should be all that you need, not sensord. well actually you could also find a graphical frontend to it nicer, like KSensors
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I'm not familiar with either of those but they could be disallowing your windows machine from both broadcasting and/or allowing connections to it.
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: what about smbclient -L [ip of your windows machine]
[10:21] <jindiaz> ok let me turn them off
[10:23] <jindiaz> lol, ok that was the problem
[10:23] <jindiaz> ok but now i have another
[10:23] <jindiaz> lol
[10:23] <jindiaz> ok so i got into the mshome thing
[10:24] <jindiaz> then into that pc
[10:24] <jindiaz> but im trying to access a folder on another of the hds, notc, and its prompting me for user name and password
[10:24] <jindiaz> is that the usern and pass of that machine?
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: yes
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: and if you don't have a passwd set on the windows you will need to set one.
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: you may be able to get access to some thing by typing un: guest and pw blank.
[10:26] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: but best to use real user/pass.
[10:26] <reagleBRKLN> In my KMenu I have created an application shortcut to the command /usr/bin/X11/xvncviewer -via localhost -passwd ~/.vnc/passwd shuttle:0. I have associated the blue screen icon of KRDC within the KMenu. However, when I am running the application and iconify xvncviewer I get the ugly and generic X window icon in the taskbar. Is there any way to fix that? The reason I ask is because a number of appl
[10:26] <eightiesk> hello
[10:26] <jindiaz> ummm ok, is it the one the same is the atrtup password?
[10:26] <jindiaz> cause if it is that isnt working
[10:27] <jindiaz> or is this a netowrking password which i musyt make?
[10:28] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: it should be the same username and password you use to log into the machine. Is it XP pro or home?
[10:28] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: hehe, or xp at all?
[10:28] <jindiaz> pro
[10:28] <jindiaz> hahahah
[10:28] <jindiaz> xp pro
[10:28] <jindiaz> lol
[10:29] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: try logging in with administrator username and password.
[10:30] <jindiaz> thats whut i have been trying to do, the pc belongs to me, so its under the admin account
[10:30] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I forget exactly how in XP but you have to enable sharing.
[10:31] <jindiaz> its not working on any hd btw, there are 4
[10:31] <jindiaz> enable sharing....
[10:31] <jindiaz> crap
[10:31] <jindiaz> i forget as well
[10:31] <jindiaz> ok one sec
[10:31] <wincide> hi, first sorry about my english, i dont speak it very well :) . I'm looking for a site where i could find help to make a usb Hard Drive boot with linux
[10:32] <wincide> if someone knows please tellme :P
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: right click a drive and choose sharing, from there you can click the link to enable sharing.
[10:33] <StR> who is using kde 3.5.1?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> StR: with dapper.
[10:34] <StR> LeeJunFan: do you have problems with kontact?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> StR: don't seem to have any. What problems?
[10:34] <evilh> wincide:http://www.zinside.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=76&language=en
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> str: did you do dist-upgrade? not just upgrade? when upgrading KDE you should do dist upgrade so it can install missing deps.
[10:35] <Riddell> StR: hi
[10:35] <evilh> wincide: thats all i know about it aside from some news articles
[10:35] <wincide> thx a lot evilh  :D
[10:35] <StR> LeeJunFan: for me, it crashes when.. It starts with the summary view.. then I go, the mail view, then return to the summary and it crashes
[10:35] <StR> Riddell: hi ... I want to report that bug....
[10:35] <wincide> evilh: i'll try to install it
[10:35] <wincide> thx again :D
[10:35] <jindiaz> nope... still no luck
[10:36] <jindiaz> crapppppppppppp
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> str: yeah, I dont' have that prob with dapper.
[10:36] <StR> LeeJunFan: did you check that?
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> StR: yeah.
[10:36] <StR> LeeJunFan: yes, I did a dist-upgrade...
[10:37] <Riddell> StR: which?
[10:37] <wincide> evilh:  but that iso is not free  Oo
[10:37] <wincide> 24  huauhahaa
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: kontact: r me, it crashes when.. It starts with the summary view.. then I go, the mail view, then return to the summary and it crashes
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: in breezy
[10:38] <LjL> wincide: well, if they can find people buying it, good for them
[10:38] <Riddell> StR: don't know of that one.  what KDE version?
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: 3.5.1
[10:38] <evilh> wincide: as far as i know there is not yet a free version of ubuntu/ kubuntu that can be installed on a USB drive. there are other distros though
[10:38] <jindiaz> any suggestions lee??
[10:38] <pestilence> why doesn't konversation have any other servers in its default list other than freenode :-x
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I dunno, have you tried smbclient -L [ip of your windows box]
[10:39] <wincide> evilh:  ok, but it's the first ubuntu distro i see that is not free :S
[10:39] <wincide> thx anyway :P
[10:39] <jindiaz> nope, how do i do that?
[10:40] <evilh> wincide: you are not actually paying for  Ubuntu but for the software to have it boot off the USB drive. give it a few weeks and i am sure someone will find a way to do it for free if they havent already
[10:40] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: alt-f2 type 'konsole' to open a shell and type
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: 'smbclient -L [ip of your windows machine] '
[10:41] <Riddell> StR: hmm, works for me, install kdelibs4c2a-dbg and add the backtrace to a report then
[10:42] <wincide> evilh: :)
[10:42] <StR> Riddell: let me try
[10:42] <jindiaz> no ip address shows up, just a list of commands
[10:44] <weedar> I see that the newest version of wireless extensions support wpa, does that mean it makes wpa_supplicant obsolete?
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: type in the ip address of your windows machine, or the name of it like, smbclient -L winblows, or smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:47] <jindiaz> smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>, i put that in and a whole bunch o info comes up, but it says session request fails at end
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: is that the IP of your windows machine?
[10:48] <paulvolk> can some one help me with an install problem?
[10:49] <jindiaz> ummm ok i got my ip off the net, and it says timeout connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:445
[10:49] <paulvolk> can any one help me?
[10:49] <jindiaz> god damn, i cant wait till both my machines are linux
[10:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:49] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: what's up now?
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: that won't work, that would be the IP address of your router on the internet, your internal IP address you can get from networking in windows xp.
[10:50] <jindiaz> oooo
[10:50] <jindiaz> crap
[10:50] <paulvolk> I still haven't figured it out beefsprocket
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: you can also use the name of the windows machine.
[10:50] <jindiaz> where exactly??
[10:50] <beefsprocket> ok
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: instead of the IP.
[10:50] <jindiaz> the name of the machine is nothing
[10:50] <jindiaz> lol
[10:50] <paulvolk> I have no idea how to put the boot on the primary but the data on the secondary can you help?
[10:50] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: what you want to do is select the entire /dev/hdb when you get the to partition part
[10:50] <paulvolk> ok
[10:50] <jindiaz> ummm wait. let me check
[10:50] <paulvolk> wait
[10:51] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: the thing is... wiating
[10:51] <paulvolk> I have 2 hd right one is hda the other which it the one I want to use for linux is hdd
[10:51] <paulvolk> that has nothing to do with anything right?
[10:52] <beefsprocket> ok, so you want to install to hdd instead of hdv
[10:52] <beefsprocket> hdb sorry
[10:52] <beefsprocket> it does
[10:52] <paulvolk> ok
[10:52] <paulvolk> ok
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I gotta run out, perhaps someone else can pick up? This is getting to be like a relay race for you :)
[10:52] <hawking> how can i enable identd?
[10:52] <paulvolk> so install it to hdd then what?
[10:52] <beefsprocket> the thing with boot is this: grub will install to the mbr of your /dev/hda
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I'm pretty certain your problem is on the windows side at this point at least.
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: we know you are connecting if it's asking for a password.
[10:53] <beefsprocket> becaue you can't boot any other hdd according to your bios right?
[10:53] <paulvolk> ok
[10:53] <paulvolk> Right
[10:53] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: ok, so when you boot, it will boot /dev/hda and find grub
[10:53] <paulvolk> I can only boot off the hda
[10:53] <weedar> Is there a reason kernel 2.6.13 isn't in the repositories?
[10:53] <jindiaz> awwwwwwwwwwwwww man
[10:53] <jindiaz> lol
[10:53] <jindiaz> yah i did that
[10:53] <jindiaz> it connects
[10:53] <paulvolk> ok
[10:53] <jindiaz> i see the shares
[10:53] <jindiaz> but still it wont connect
[10:53] <jindiaz> argh
[10:53] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: grub then looks and finds that it has windowsxp on /dev/hda1 and ubuntu on /dev/hdd
[10:53] <jindiaz> ok thanks for the help though man
[10:54] <jindiaz> appreciate it
[10:54] <beefsprocket> and gives you the choice to boot either one
[10:54] <paulvolk> ok
[10:54] <jindiaz> can anyone else help me out with this by chance?
[10:54] <beefsprocket> so the boot files can actually be on /dev/hdd because grub will find them there
[10:54] <beefsprocket> leaving you with the precious small 1gb left for windows to chew up
[10:54] <paulvolk> ok so I don't have to do anything to specify where to install grub it WILL install on hda?
[10:55] <paulvolk> I don't have to do ANYTHING special it will configure it for me?
[10:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: when you get there, it will prompt you telling you that it sees windows xp and then suggest that you let it install on /dev/hda mbr
[10:55] <beefsprocket> exactly
[10:55] <paulvolk> ok
[10:55] <paulvolk> ok I will try it
[10:56] <beefsprocket> well, enjoy it -- see you in 1/2 an hour?
[10:56] <paulvolk> Ya probobly
[10:56] <paulvolk> lol
[10:56] <beefsprocket> or do you have another computer you can stay connected with?
[10:56] <paulvolk> Oh ya I am on a diffrent computer right now
[10:56] <jindiaz> anyone willing to help out on this issue??
[10:57] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: still trying to get samba working?
[10:57] <paulvolk> I am just downloading the iso for the cd
[10:57] <jindiaz> sort of
[10:57] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: kk
[10:57] <paulvolk> Samba was a pain for me
[10:57] <jindiaz> it has come to the point where it works i can get into the other pc, but cannot access the shares and hard drives
[10:57] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: make sure to check the md5sum of the iso before you burn it
[10:57] <paulvolk> took me like 4 days
[10:57] <paulvolk> ok
[10:57] <jindiaz> like when the prompt comes up for usern and pass, it doesnt work
[10:57] <paulvolk> How would I check the md5sum?
[10:58] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: are you in windows now? there is a free tool on sourceforge that will do it
[10:58] <paulvolk> no I am on linux
[10:58] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: getting stuck in an endless authentication loop?
[10:58] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: then you can just run the md5sum utility from the command line on the iso
[10:58] <jindiaz> yah i think so, if that whut is is called then yes
[10:58] <jindiaz> actually.... yes.
[10:59] <jindiaz> lol
[10:59] <paulvolk> what is the command?
[10:59] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: and then take a look at the md5sum file on the mirror you dl'ed the iso from
[10:59] <beefsprocket> md5sum I think
[10:59] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: have you tried smb4ks?
[10:59] <beefsprocket> or whatever the package is called?
[10:59] <jindiaz> nope, i have no idea what that is
[11:00] <beefsprocket> try it -- I can mount smb shares with it sometimes, whereas konqueror just goes in endless loops
[11:00] <ziza> is anybody using gstreamer 0.10? i'm just curious about how good it is :)
[11:00] <jindiaz> ok, but try what exactly
[11:00] <jindiaz> i have no idea whut yu are even refering to
[11:01] <beefsprocket> well, install it first, then scan your local network (smb4k is a samba mounting program of sorts)
[11:01] <beefsprocket> gui and all
[11:01] <beefsprocket> it should find the xp box on mshome
[11:01] <jindiaz> ok, so find it in adept?
[11:02] <beefsprocket> yep
[11:02] <jindiaz> ummmm its not there
[11:03] <beefsprocket> do you have universe repositories? not sure if that's where you find it, but I've got it
[11:04] <beefsprocket> try apt-cache show smb4k
[11:04] <beefsprocket> or just apt-get install smb4k
[11:05] <jindiaz> ummmmm... i dont think so, it says couldnt get whatever like alot in the terminal when i put those commands in
[11:05] <jindiaz> but i have them enabled in the repositories
[11:06] <Knowerrors> How do you enable image browsing mode in kde 3.5.1 konq?
[11:07] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: so you tried apt-get right?
[11:08] <jindiaz> yah, didnt work
[11:08] <jindiaz> frick no adept is messed, crashed and says i cant do anything, i have to be root user
[11:08] <jindiaz> which i should be
[11:08] <jindiaz> argh....
[11:08] <beefsprocket> ;)
[11:09] <jindiaz> well that enough trying to undertsand linux for me for one day
[11:09] <jindiaz> thanks again beef, appreciate the help
[11:10] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: sometimes it works best to start again with the configs from scratch
[11:10] <jindiaz> ill be back on here somne other day figuring out some other problem
[11:10] <jindiaz> coo, sounds good man
[11:10] <beefsprocket> np, see you around then
[11:10] <jindiaz> thanks again
[11:10] <jindiaz> lates
[11:12] <beefsprocket> is there something I can change to keep the kde startup music fromdoubling in volume on startup? I disable reload on startup but without sucess
[11:13] <beefsprocket> about 1/2 way through the music, the volume doubles, but kmix controls stay in place
[11:15] <`Nomad> !windows
[11:15] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is unnecessary - everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[11:15] <`Nomad> !windowsafterubuntu
[11:15] <ubotu> `Nomad: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:16] <MetaMorfoziS> good night
[11:20] <`Nomad> I have kubuntu running with 2 HD and soem free space on my second one.. I "need" to have XP instaklled as well now, so if I install it, do I simply follow the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows to recover my boot ability?
[11:20] <`Nomad> If I mess up badly I won't have a PC to search th enet for help
[11:20] <`Nomad> so kind of nervous
[11:21] <EIghtiesK> KOPETESUCKS!!
[11:21] <`Nomad> lol
[11:21] <`Nomad> how come?
[11:21] <`Nomad> and it must cuz I always use Gaim :)
[11:21] <larsivi> I think Kopete is great
[11:25] <Aji-Dahaka> it is
[11:25] <beefsprocket> indeed
[11:26] <`Nomad> So any advice or pitfalls to avoid in installing Xp after Kubuntu?
[11:26] <Aji-Dahaka> try to convince XP not to overwrite your boot record ...
[11:26] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: use a livecd to reinstall grub might help
[11:26] <`Nomad> I wonder if XP can live on 10 gigs
[11:26] <LjL> i'm sure it can
[11:26] <beefsprocket> how much ram do you have?
[11:27] <`Nomad> I'm going to follow the instructiosn here, using the install DVD in rescue mode.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:27] <`Nomad> 512 megs
[11:27] <`Nomad> Wish I had vmware
[11:27] <`Nomad> damn web development needing to test for IE.. :(
[11:27] <LjL> what about qemu?
[11:27] <LjL> and IE runs under Wine as well
[11:27] <`Nomad> dunno.. what is qemu?  googling
[11:28] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you can install i.e in wine
[11:28] <`Nomad> well wine won't run now since I upped to 3.5.1
[11:28] <`Nomad> I have many seg faults
[11:28] <Aji-Dahaka> qemu is a system emulater, kinda like vmware, but more powerful
[11:28] <`Nomad> starting with xmms
[11:28] <Aji-Dahaka> emulator*
[11:28] <beefsprocket> are you using winehq or ubuntu wine?
[11:28] <`Nomad> qemu is opensource?
[11:28] <`Nomad> ubuntu wine I guess
[11:28] <LjL> `Nomad: `nomad: qemu is a PC emulator, like VMWare, except that it emulates the CPU too, so it's slower than VMWare. but there's an "accelerator module" too (though it's not open source) that makes it much faster
[11:28] <LjL> `Nomad: qemu is open source, though the accelerator module isn't - but it's still free
[11:28] <`Nomad> I'll b elooking into qemu then
[11:29] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: try the winehq.org instructions for getting wine on debian
[11:29] <LjL> !tell `nomad about wine
[11:29] <beefsprocket> (or ubunut)
[11:29] <LjL> get the version Ubotu tells you about
[11:29] <Knowerrors> where do you set buddy icon in Kompete?
[11:29] <`Nomad> ok, thanks.. Do I remive the ubuntu one?
[11:29] <LjL> `Nomad: no need, it'll be upgraded automatically
[11:29] <`Nomad> remove
[11:29] <Aji-Dahaka> the accelerator module makes it do more exactly what vmware does.  and it's not /much/ slower.  Very competitive on processor-intensive tasks (slightly better on some I've tried)
[11:29] <`Nomad> ahh perfect
[11:29] <LjL> !kqemu
[11:30] <LjL> 23:29]  <ubotu> I heard kqemu is a *closed-source* kernel module for speeding up the QEMU virtual machine. To install on breezy, run the insQEMU.sh script available from http://oui.com.br/n/content.php?article.23 More complete install instructions can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQEmu
[11:30] <LjL> though be careful, that Wiki page was written by me ;)
[11:30] <`Nomad> I only have an Athlon 1800 in this machien I think.. Humm.. I could get the 2200 from the dead windows box
[11:30] <`Nomad> Thanks guys!
[11:30] <LjL> not the oui.com.br script though, that's news to me
[11:30] <`Nomad> That will work with XP by the way?
[11:31] <Aji-Dahaka> qemu?  yeah, works with everything
[11:31] <Aji-Dahaka> (with a hack for win2k which is "funny")
[11:31] <`Nomad> I love linux et al.
[11:31] <`Nomad> I think I';ll try qemu first, see how that works..
[11:32] <LjL> `Nomad: that insQEMU.sh looks good, though i have no idea how well it'd actually work... but it looks like it does a lot of checks that i didn't mention in the Wiki page
[11:32] <`Nomad> I used to run win4lin, but couldn,t access anythign hardware if I remember.. Is this better now?
[11:32] <LjL> `Nomad: well, i'd suggest trying Wine first actually, as that will be much quicker to get running
[11:32] <`Nomad> XP under wine?  really&
[11:32] <`Nomad> ?
[11:32] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah, and wine will be much faster and better to the system if it works right
[11:32] <LjL> no, just IE
[11:32] <`Nomad> Ohh I see
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah, just application-by-application
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> it runs a bunch of them
[11:33] <`Nomad> would all teh latest Macromedia apps work too you think?
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ... not sure
[11:33] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you might look into crossover office
[11:33] <LjL> you can't access "real" hardware using VMWare or QEmu - it has to go trough the "real" operating system drivers. dunno what win4lin is
[11:33] <`Nomad> win4lin was a bit cheaper than vmware
[11:33] <LjL> `Nomad: at winehq there is an (incomplete) compatibility list
[11:34] <`Nomad> ok, lots of work ahead then.. Wine first :)
[11:34] <LjL> `Nomad: but, really, i'd just try and install it. it's handy to have installed in any case
[11:34] <LjL> `Nomad: also, you can install winetools after installing wine. that'll install and configure many things (including IE) for you, even though the folks at #winehq recommend against it
[11:35] <LjL> `Nomad: it's in the same repository as wine, so "sudo aptitude install winetools" should be all that's needed
[11:35] <LjL> (not sure why they recommend against it, they gave me a link about that yesterday, but i didn't read it :)
[11:35] <Aji-Dahaka> it's "funny" sometimes
[11:36] <`Nomad> I just went to add the repository in my sources and it was the one I already had
[11:36] <LjL> `Nomad: oh
[11:36] <LjL> `Nomad: well, try getting winetools and see how well / badly explorer installs and runs... it's worth a try
[11:37] <LjL> explorer doesn't run *too* well under wine for me, though Firefox runs fine
[11:37] <LjL> but then you need IE
[11:37] <`Nomad> winetools is not found :(
[11:37] <`Nomad> weird..
[11:37] <LjL> yeah weird
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> some people get it working perfectly, though
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> just iexplore and wine
[11:37] <LjL> are you sure that repository's really enabled? did an apt-get update?
[11:37] <`Nomad> I know, I was shocked at how far along it came when I started using wine again when I swoitched to Kubuntu
[11:37] <`Nomad> yup
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> I've heard from some that with winetools, it gets up and going faster, but often doesn't work right
[11:38] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: it installed fine for me, it just that it looks really slow. not that i've actually used it though
[11:38] <`Nomad> I turned it on after I had issues with wine, after bumping up to 3.5.1
[11:38] <monteiro> i installed kubuntu but it is strange that internet connection is running so slow. Anyone knows what is it?
[11:38] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ... slow is weird
[11:39] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, who cares, i don't really need it anyway... if it works well for `nomad, good for him
[11:39] <LjL> though i don't quite understand why winetools' not found - i was positive it's in the same rep as wine
[11:40] <monteiro> Aji-Dahaka: very strange, in firefox and konqueror, its all working slow opening sites
[11:40] <`Nomad> This is following Ubotu's instructions, is that the repo we're talkign about?  That's teh one I have, for bleeding-edge wine stuff
[11:40] <LjL> `Nomad: yeah that's what i'm talking about
[11:40] <LjL> i think
[11:41] <LjL> `Nomad: hold on
[11:41] <LjL> ubotu says   deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[11:41] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, LjL
[11:41] <LjL> but i have   deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ breezy/
[11:41] <LjL> shuddup bot
[11:42] <`Nomad> maybe that's why
[11:42] <`Nomad> I have a second line for source, it ends in /source
[11:42] <`Nomad> source/
[11:42] <LjL> you don't care about source... anyway, binary/ and breezy/ seem to contain the same thing
[11:42] <LjL> either i remember wrongly, and i got winetools from somewhere else (but where?), or they've removed it
[11:43] <`Nomad> ok, it's mentioned on the winehq site, will look into it ;)
[11:43] <LjL> hmm i think it's been removed
[11:43] <LjL> 'cause it's referenced in a couple of sites as part of that repository
[11:44] <LjL> i guess you'll still find a .deb somewhere though
[11:46] <`Nomad> when I run winecfg, that should run right, and not seg fault?
[11:46] <`Nomad> that is the config tool
[11:47] <LjL> yeah it should definitely run :)
[11:47] <_td> tbaa: sorry, ad a problem
[11:47] <LjL> `Nomad: anyway -- winetools has been removed, that's confirmed on winehq
[11:47] <_td> tbaa: sorry had a problem
[11:48] <`Nomad> ok, thanks..  You're a great help, I have a splitting headache
[11:48] <LjL> `Nomad: be sure you run winesetup or whatever it's called (i don't have it because it gets removed by winetools :\)
[11:48] <LjL> `Nomad: you should end up having a ~/.wine directory, containing a drive_c/, containing windows/ and all its system32/ and stuff
[11:48] <_td> tbaa: i saw that i was on the wrong channel also, just did iwconfig wlan0 essid %name and iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
[11:54] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[11:54] <_allan> not me
[11:54] <_td> Im having trouble with my DLINK 650+
[11:54] <borut> witam
[11:54] <LjL> `Nomad: if you prefer, i could just send you a ready .wine directory - if you are not behind a NAT, 'cause otherwise i can't send DCCs
[11:55] <_allan> KDE 3.5.1 won't install kgraphics or kdevelop. Ask for details, but I don't know what to do.
[11:55] <borut> Jest tu jakis polak??
[11:55] <LjL> pl
[11:55] <LjL> !pl
[11:55] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu.pl
[11:55] <borut> Danke
[11:58] <`Nomad> LjL: I already have that made form a previous install that was working before the updates, btu thanks :)
[11:58] <LjL> `Nomad: well if IE6 works on that one, then fine
[11:59] <`Nomad> I don't have winesetup, I think it's winecfg , and "that's" what segment faults :(*
[11:59] <LjL> no, winecfg isn't winesetup
[11:59] <LjL> but if you already have a working .wine directory, then you shouldn't need to run winesetup
[11:59] <`Nomad> hum.. why would winsetup not be there?
[11:59] <`Nomad> I'll try an install and see
[11:59] <LjL> ... but then again, if winecfg crashes perhaps your .wine isn't really working =)
[12:00] <LjL> i don't know, perhaps it just has to be installed separately, i really don't remember as i've been using winetools for long
[12:01] <`Nomad> I should find winetools I think, ok
[12:01] <LjL> though i'd really suggest you start from scratch using winetools to be honest -- that is, if the current .tar.gz of winetools is easy to install / doesn't need to be installed