[02:49] <Omnifrog> me today --> http://i.imgur.com/36YHGjH.jpg
[02:50] <Omnifrog> me in 2009 --> http://i.imgur.com/QjQdLDT.jpg
[02:50]  * Omnifrog goes to bed
[10:15] <Omnifrog> Calvin and Hobbes: The Movie (Trailer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17qyaXOFZXg
[18:27] <wrst> afternoon chris4585
[18:35] <chris4585> hey wrst
[18:37] <wrst> how are things going chris4585?
[18:38] <chris4585> alright, just received my fractal define R4 case
[18:38] <chris4585> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352025
[18:38] <chris4585> planning something nice with it :)
[18:38] <chris4585> how are you wrst?
[18:41] <wrst> nice, can you reveal your plans
[18:41] <wrst> that case cost a lot more than the last cmputer I bought :)
[18:42] <wrst> and doing well chris4585, thanks
[18:48] <chris4585> lol awesome
[18:48] <chris4585> well
[18:48] <wrst> chris4585: just got a raspberry pi in last week
[18:49] <chris4585> I'm just going to make it looks very nice
[18:49] <chris4585> nice
[18:49] <wrst> that is a nice looking case
[18:50] <chris4585> yes, got it on a deal, $85, and I believe I got the last one
[18:50] <wrst> evidently its no longer available
[19:06] <chris4585> lol
[19:06] <chris4585> they have to restock it
[19:11] <wrst> all because of you chris4585... way to go ;)
[19:12] <chris4585> lol
[19:13] <chris4585> it was a steal :)
[19:20] <wrst> cool
[19:35] <chris4585> I decided not to do anything to it until I get my fx8350 thursday
[19:56] <wrst> eight core?
[20:02] <chris4585> wrst, yes
[20:09] <chris4585> the beautiful fx8350 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core
[20:09] <chris4585> easily overclockable to 4.5ghz or so
[20:14] <wrst> wow that's a beast, adn to think I've been marveling at the raspberry pi would take like 57 million of them to do that :)
[21:47] <chris4585> wrst, its pretty much the beastiest amd cpu you can get right now
[21:48] <chris4585> one thing I love about amd is the am3 socket, I can upgrade this motherboard's cpu and at the same time upgrade two other computers with hand me down's
[21:49] <chris4585> well of course you could do that with intel, but amd has kept the same socket for a while
[22:03] <chris4585> wrst, the biggest down side is that it is multithreaded and can generate some heat
[22:04] <chris4585> but I foresee 8 threaded applications being made very soon
[22:04] <chris4585> especially with the new PS4 and Xbox both having 8 cores


[19:00] <thorwil> grrr. made the mistake to look into the forum again. smartboyathome: "Mark came out with his goons late in the art cycle, and said that we (the community) no longer work on the default themes, his people do. So I am kind of saddened that Mark doesn't use community themes, but there ARE a lot of program-related bugs with the themes that need fixing first"
[19:02] <thorwil> "Community can only do so much and have it be professionally, and while I do agree with Mark saying that his people should do the default artwork, I do not agree with him saying that we shouldn't try to make artwork which is good enough for default."
[19:04]  * karmaferit hopes they don't smudge orange over everything like the human icons
[19:12] <thorwil> karmaferit: just to be very clear. the point is that what smartboyathome writes is not quite correct
[19:12] <thorwil> the forum suffers from this kind of rumors and half-truths quite a lot, i think
[19:13] <karmaferit> thorwil: oh i imagine so
[19:13] <karmaferit> pitty that the artwork is in limbo though
[19:14] <karmaferit> fedora never has this issue
[19:14] <thorwil> kwwii: seen http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/?
[19:15]  * thorwil summons rsc
[19:21] <kwwii> thorwil: nope, didn't see that yet
[19:21] <kwwii> he told me he was making some stuff, never saw it though
[19:21] <kwwii> he is the guy who made the sounds for intrepid (which I had to remove)
[19:23] <thorwil> kwwii: also the one who made reasonable countdown banners and who is involved with the 8.10 start page and the wanted project, i think
[19:24] <thorwil> sebastian strikes again :)
[19:26] <kwwii> :-)
[19:27] <Cimi> kwwii, why you had to remove those sounds
[19:27] <Cimi> they are amaxing
[19:29] <kwwii> Cimi: apparently they are very close to vista
[19:29] <kwwii> but they are still on my system :p
[19:30] <kwwii> and in my ppa I might add
[19:31] <kwwii> mads had contact with another guy who has done a work for big-time cell phone companies, he wants to make sounds for +1
[19:32] <kwwii> hopefully someone who has worked for samsung and nokia can make something mark likes :p
[19:33]  * karmaferit always thought it was odd that mark has the final say when it comes to the artwork, is he qualified in any way?
[19:33] <thorwil> kwwii: sure, if he can make it sound orange and glossy ;)
[19:34] <thorwil> karmaferit: he has the money ... ;)
[19:34] <kwwii> lol
[19:34] <karmaferit> golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rule
[19:34] <kwwii> karmaferit: in our new team we also have a new boss (also from a big company and with lots of experience)
[19:34] <karmaferit> good to hear :)
[19:35] <kwwii> so in the future mark will no longer deal with details, which should allow us more freedom
[19:35] <kwwii> I'll be joining the new team sometime early next month...can't wait!
[19:35] <thorwil> kwwii: the boss is from which field?
[19:36] <thorwil> will the desktop team cease existance?
[19:36] <karmaferit> well that is good, ubuntu's artworks been rather embarrassing compared to fedora's and suse's (SLED)
[19:37] <kwwii> thorwil: he was the lead creative director for Orange
[19:37]  * thorwil giggles
[19:37] <kwwii> thorwil: no, we are forming a new team which only concerns artwork (platform and marketing)
[19:38] <thorwil> orange!
[19:38] <kwwii> no more micro-managing-millionares :p
[19:39] <karmaferit> kwwii: how bad is it having him manage things?
[19:39] <kwwii> although I have been offered to decide whether to work on that team as platform artwork lead or to switch to our new desktop-experience team and do more technical work
[19:40] <kwwii> karmaferit: hard to explain and keep my job :p
[19:41] <karmaferit> ok whos the one that likes the orange
[19:41] <thorwil> karmaferit: from what little insight i have, i'd say a big problem is that Mark is only available in small slices. yet is required for decisions
[19:41] <thorwil> kwwii: oh, all the time i thought the experience team is also about artwork
[19:46] <kwwii> thorwil: nope, the experience team is about developing new desktop tech
[19:46] <kwwii> thorwil: that sums up the problem exactly
[19:47] <thorwil> kwwii: a shame. thought it was a holistic approach, taking the term experience quite literal :)
[19:49] <kwwii> thorwil: yes it is but not on an artwork level
[19:49] <kwwii> this is really about developing totally new thing for the desktop
[19:49] <kwwii> new ways of using your computer, etc
[19:49] <kwwii> lots of super-secret stuff :p
[19:50] <thorwil> bwaha :)
[21:05] <thorwil> greet _MMA_ from me if he shows up here :)  good night!
[21:09] <kwwii> _MMA_ !!!!!!
[21:10] <_MMA_> yo yo
[21:10] <kwwii> _MMA_: how's life, man? good, I hope!
[21:11] <kwwii> I'd add a funny mexican saying but I guess you have heard enough of that language lately :p
[21:11] <_MMA_> kwwii: I'm doing fine. 1 more week in Mexico.
[21:11] <kwwii> bet you can't wait to get home, eh?
[21:11] <_MMA_> Si
[21:11] <_MMA_> :P
[21:11] <kwwii> ;)
[21:11] <_MMA_> Neither can my wife. ;)
[21:11] <kwwii> lol, I bet
[21:12] <kwwii> better have someone watch the kids for day or two after your return
[21:12] <_MMA_> Already taken care of. :P
[21:12] <kwwii> being away from home probably makes her appreciate you even more
[21:13] <kwwii> good to see that you still have enough strength and will to spend time in stupid art chat :p
[21:13] <_MMA_> No. She knows why I'm the best. :) She just likes me a whole lot and wants me home.
[21:13] <kwwii> good for you ;-)
[21:13] <kwwii> maybe I should go to mexico as well :p
[21:13] <_MMA_> Well I get off @noon on Saturdays. No work Sunday. 1 more 60hr week.
[21:14] <_MMA_> I get back to Raleigh next Saturday.
[21:14] <_MMA_> On Sunday or Monday I hope to get some art done.
[21:14] <kwwii> well, I got emails from mark this morning asking me if I look at the bug list and expecting changes so I deal with the same stuff, really
[21:14] <kwwii> only I don't sweat that much at work :p
[21:15] <_MMA_> I think I've lost 10lbs.
[21:15] <kwwii> I can imagine
[21:15] <kwwii> it would be good for me :p
[21:15] <_MMA_> Somewhat due to less eating. Im scared of getting sick from something I would eat.
[21:15] <kwwii> actually, I have lost quite a few pounds in the last months
[21:15] <kwwii> thank god
[21:16] <_MMA_> Maybe I'll see at the next UDS. (not MTV)
[21:16] <kwwii> that sucks
[21:16] <kwwii> not seeing you in ca, I mean
[21:16] <_MMA_> I told Jono that this one was a no-go because of work.
[21:17] <kwwii> fair enough...real life comes first
[21:17] <kwwii> I wish I could say that
[21:17] <_MMA_> One of my 1st things I'll be doing is a product manual. In addition to learning AutoCAD.
[21:17] <kwwii> hehe, if you need any help with AutoCAD let me know...I have a lot of experience with it
[21:18] <_MMA_> I just might. I gotta look at classes as well.
[21:18] <kwwii> I learned drafting the hard way first and then did CAD
[21:18] <kwwii> one or two good classes will really help
[21:18] <kwwii> it is not hard, there are just some basic ideas you need to understand first
[21:20] <kwwii> when I went back to college (after flunking out on my scholarship to study music) I started doing a two-year degree in drafting, from which I sprung to a four year degree in engineering
[21:20] <_MMA_> killer :)
[21:20]  * _MMA_ goes to eat lunch. bbs.
[21:21] <kwwii> bueno appetito
[22:30] <b_mind> I'm learning gtkrc syntax and trying to customize some application via gtkrc file, for now I found how to customize Gedit - widget_class "*edit*" ... but next what I need is gnome-terminal how can i find name of widget_class for gnome terminal? can somebody help me?
[22:43] <b_mind> or maybe someone know if I have application, how could I find out all it gtk structure... maybe there is some tool for analyzing bin file and show GTK tree or smth?


[00:04] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Which did you decide to run?
[00:06] <cmaloney> It's looking very Squarespacey
[00:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea squarespace
[00:13] <cmaloney> Looks nice
[00:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea more to do but the multiple blog-ness and editor seems cool
[16:06] <cmaloney> morning
[16:33] <flipsidecreation> good morning
[16:35] <brousch> My friend who works at Ford on self-driving vehicles told me they give you an Ubuntu laptop as your development computer
[16:43] <flipsidecreation> that is pretty cool
[17:00] <_stink_> $ drive_car --to grocery_store
[17:03] <cmaloney> Python ins moving to Github
[17:03] <cmaloney> brousch:  That's pretty cool
[17:04] <cmaloney> http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/tommy-lee-gets-stuck-atop-his-cruecifly-during-motley-crues-final-concert-happy-new-year
[17:18] <flipsidecreation> that is awesome


[00:34] <wallyworld> axw: hml: babbageclunk: burton-aus: i'll be right back
[00:56] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: aw man, I didn't see that you'd requested the review on GH - I guess that's close enough to voluntelling. I'll have a look this afternoon once I get charms uploading.
[01:05] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: no worries, you are busy, totally understand
[02:06] <thumper> FARK
[02:11] <anastasiamac> thumper: ?
[02:17] <thumper> just trying to look at how mongo counts records in a collection
[02:17] <thumper> it is non-trivial
[02:32] <babbageclunk> thumper: Can we use stats instead of counting? Might be accurate enough and much faster.
[02:32] <thumper> what stats?
[02:32] <thumper> I have a theory on the count
[02:32] <babbageclunk> db.<collection>.stats()
[02:33] <thumper> but need access to a big controller to test
[02:33] <babbageclunk> https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/reference/method/db.collection.stats/
[02:33] <thumper> babbageclunk: you would think that db.coll.find().count() would use that
[02:33] <thumper> but perhaps it doesn't
[02:34] <thumper> can we get access to the stats through mgo?
[02:34] <babbageclunk> not sure
[02:34] <babbageclunk> mmm, toasted sandwich for lunch
[02:35] <wallyworld> axw: if you have a chance, here's a PR for review. sadly it doesn't reflect 2 file renames so counts the full contents towards the +/- count :-( https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7808
[02:35] <thumper> var stats bson.D
[02:35] <thumper> session.DB("mydb").Run(bson.D{{"collStats", "mycollection"}}, &stats)
[02:35] <thumper> fmt.Println("Stats:", stats)
[02:36] <thumper> so... maybe
[02:38] <axw> wallyworld: ok, looking
[02:38] <wallyworld> ta
[02:39] <axw> wallyworld: is relationnetworks.go otherwise unchanged?
[02:40] <wallyworld> axw: sadly not - there's some tweaks to accommodate the egress stuff - same core structs but with a direction attribute - "ingress" or "egress"
[02:40] <wallyworld> pita the renames aren't better handled
[02:40] <wallyworld> reviewboard did it better
[02:42] <axw> wallyworld: perhaps do the rename and change in separate commits next time. anyway, not too big, reviewing...
[02:42] <wallyworld> that would have worked, yeah
[02:49] <axw> wallyworld: looks good
[02:49] <wallyworld> tyvm
[03:00] <thumper> anyone know what needs to be done to be able to run the mgo tests?
[03:25] <babbageclunk> thumper: I've never got them running locally, but I think I had them running in travis against my github fork
[03:35] <babbageclunk> thumper: that was pretty straightforward to set up
[03:57] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: approved
[03:57] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: yay, ty
[05:07] <babbageclunk> axw: just realised I need something from 2.2.3 in the upgrade juju2 tree (client side of the machine sanity check) - do you think I should just spot patch that in from 2.2.3, or update the tree to get it?
[05:07] <babbageclunk> axw: While typing that up I think I decided, I'll just update that client.
[05:08] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks for the help!
[05:47] <axw> babbageclunk: hah :)  FWIW I was going to say the same
[05:47] <babbageclunk> ha, lucky!
[05:59] <babbageclunk> axw: Can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/1.25-upgrade/pull/20 please?
[05:59] <axw> babbageclunk: ok. just finishing up a PR, then will take a look
[06:00] <babbageclunk> axw: thanks - no rush, I'm close to end of day so I'll look at comments tomorrow.
[06:00] <axw> babbageclunk: okey dokey
[06:29] <axw> jam: when you're free, can you please take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7803?
[10:35] <wallyworld> jam: wpk: you free now for a HO? or soon?
[10:36] <jam> wallyworld: I was just about to make coffee and then I'm available, i'm not sure about wkp
[10:36] <jam> wpk
[10:36] <wallyworld> ok, just ping whenever
[10:41] <jam> wallyworld: is it worth just you and I meeting? I feel like we're mostly in sync
[10:42] <wallyworld> jam: we are, we can do it again tomorrow with everyone
[10:42] <jam> I'm off tomorrow, but maybe I'll be around the house (local 'vacation')
[10:42] <jam> Its a national holiday, vs a planned vacation
[10:43] <wallyworld> or it can wait. we just need to ensure we're fully synced up and plan the next most important bit to do for nextwork-get
[11:19] <wpk> wallyworld: jam: sorry, I am now if you're available
[11:20] <wallyworld> i can be in 10
[11:20] <wpk> k
[11:35] <wallyworld> wpk: jam: i am free now if you guys are
[11:35] <jam> wallyworld: we're on the hangout that wpk linked on the other channel
[20:52] <hml> is there a way to get juju upgrade-juju —build-agent to work on a model other than controller?
[20:55] <thumper> hml: no
[20:56] <thumper> hml: you need to upgrade the controller first
[20:56] <thumper> then specify the controller version for the hosted model
[20:56] <thumper> the hosted model then gets the same version as the controller
[20:58] <hml> thumper: how do i do the 2nd bit “specify the controller version for the hosted model”?
[20:58] <thumper> hml: ok, lets say you have upgraded the controller
[20:58] <thumper> and do a status on the controller
[20:58] <thumper> and it says version <IP_ADDRESS> say
[20:58] <thumper> you then go
[20:58] <thumper> juju upgrade-juju other-model --agent-version=<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:59] <thumper> probably a -m in there too
[20:59] <hml> thumper: okay, i’ll give it a shot
[22:24] <bdx> I'm experiencing some odd behavior using JAAS + AWS + network spaces
[22:25] <thumper> bdx: what sort of odd behaviour?
[22:25] <bdx> at a high level, things work (charms deploy successfully) if deployed in the default vpc, with no juju spaces defined
[22:28] <bdx> on the other hand, if I create a model in the non default vpc, add some spaces, and deploy the exact same bundle except to the defined space I get odd failures throughout
[22:28] <bdx> grabbing some material to support this omp
[22:30] <bdx> it might be specific to the charm, in this case, elasticsearch
[22:36] <bdx> ok
[22:37] <bdx> this is making me feel a bit crazy
[22:37] <bdx> but its entirely reproducable
[22:37] <bdx> so
[22:38] <bdx> I don't know what to say .... I think it might be a charm specific thing though and not juju or network related ..... I just don't get it
[22:38] <bdx> using upstream elasticsearch in the charmstore (cs:trusty/elasticsearch-19)
[22:39] <bdx> what happens is elasticsearch will be deployed and running on the machine deployed to the default vpc, and when elasticsearch deployed with a spaces constraint, the process just doesn't exist
[22:40] <bdx> all the dirs are there, the binary is ther
[22:42] <bdx> this model https://pastebin.com/NaLcqBFy is configured to a default vpc, no spaces added, and no constraints used
[22:43] <bdx> from that elasticsearch node, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25434884/
[22:43] <bdx>  <- `ps aux | grep elasticsearch`
[22:43] <bdx> we can see that elasticsearch is running
[22:44] <bdx> next, a model created with a non-default vpc and spaces added, and all the machines deployed to the spaces
[22:44] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25434893/
[22:44] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25434894/
[22:45] <bdx> heres the full yaml status http://paste.ubuntu.com/25434903/
[22:45] <bdx> and now, same as before, I'll ssh into elasticsearch box and ps aux
[22:46] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25434906/
[22:46] <bdx> boom
[22:46] <bdx> java process for elasticsearch exists
[22:47] <bdx> odd because the machine has elasticsearch and all the deps (java) installed
[22:47] <bdx> lol
[22:47] <bdx> I've been ramming my head on this for days now .... just thinking my fork of elasticsearch is borked
[22:47] <bdx> lol
[22:49] <bdx> ^^ important correction s/java process for elasticsearch exists/java process for elasticsearch ceases to exist/
[22:50] <bdx> its quite baffling, really
[23:02] <bdx> thumper: ^that kind
[23:06] <babbageclunk> bdx: can you see logs for elasticsearch? It sounds like it might be trying to start and failing when you have space constraints.
[23:06] <bdx> babbageclunk: I was just about to report back with that
[23:07] <bdx> babbageclunk: the java process appears just for a second then disappears
[23:08] <bdx> the logs are clean though
[23:08] <bdx> because it looks as if it actually does start
[23:09] <bdx> so there is no error being logged or anything
[23:10] <bdx> I have this juju log for the failing instance http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:11] <bdx> wow ... the logs are entirely different
[23:12] <bdx> and this log for the working instance 2017-08-30 22:19:45 INFO juju.cmd supercommand.go:63 running jujud [2.2.2 gc go1.8]
[23:12] <bdx> 2017-08-30 22:19:45 DEBUG juju.cmd supercommand.go:64   args: []string{"/var/lib/juju/tools/unit-elasticsearch-0/jujud", "unit", "--data-dir", "/var/lib/juju", "--unit-name", "elasticsearch/0", "--debug"}
[23:12] <bdx> 2017-08-30 22:19:45 DEBUG juju.agent agent.go:543 read agent config, format "2.0"
[23:12] <bdx> 2017-08-30 22:19:45 INFO juju.jujud unit.go:151 unit agent unit-elasticsearch-0 start (2.2.2 [gc])
[23:12] <bdx> 2017-08-30 22:19:45 DEBUG juju.worker runner.go:319 start "api"
[23:12] <bdx> oh no
[23:12] <bdx> my bad - jeeze
[23:13] <bdx> and this log for the working instance http://paste.ubuntu.com/25435003/
[23:13] <thumper> weird
[23:15] <bdx> possibly one of my models has different logging config
[23:16] <bdx> geh
[23:16] <bdx> yep
[23:17] <bdx> logging-config was turned up on the model with spaces/non-working one


[08:59] <goshawk> ogra: hi
[08:59] <goshawk> ogra: i'm playing with rootstock
[08:59] <goshawk> I: Setting up serial tty in image
[08:59] <goshawk> ./rootstock: 555: cannot create /tmp/tmp.QxQsDRVgaU/tmpmount/etc/init/ttyS0.conf: Directory nonexistent
[09:00] <goshawk> i may have a patch for it soon
[11:25] <goshawk> ogra: ping
[11:25] <ogra> hey goshawk, thanks for the fix :)
[11:25] <goshawk> ogra: thx to you, it was just a mkdir -p :P
[11:26] <ogra> it wont save you though
[11:26] <ogra> as i wrote in the branch review
[11:26] <goshawk> yes :)
[11:26] <goshawk> i saw
[11:26] <goshawk> and i'm fixing thsi now
[11:26] <goshawk> /bin/installer: line 60: reboot: command not found
[11:26] <goshawk> it's in upstart-compat-sysv
[11:26] <ogra> yeah
[11:26] <goshawk> which seems to be not installed
[11:26] <ogra> right, which is dead
[11:26] <goshawk> so i forcedo to install it
[11:26] <goshawk> (Reading database ... 10802 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:26] <goshawk> Unpacking upstart-compat-sysv (from .../upstart-compat-sysv_0.3.10-2_armel.deb) ...
[11:26] <goshawk> it's 30 mins
[11:26] <goshawk> at 100%
[11:26] <goshawk> in that position
[11:27] <goshawk> i just added a apt-get install -y (Reading database ... 10802 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:27] <goshawk> Unpacking upstart-compat-sysv (from .../upstart-compat-sysv_0.3.10-2_armel.deb) ...
[11:27] <ogra> well, i'm not sure what this package needs from the old upstart
[11:27] <goshawk> oops sorry
[11:27] <goshawk> apt-get install -y upstart-compat-sysv
[11:27] <ogra> the former upstart had tools and binaries scattered across multiple packages
[11:27] <goshawk> well the problem is that reboot is not found
[11:27] <goshawk> ah... understood
[11:27] <ogra> the new one has everything in a single package
[11:28] <ogra> startup-tasks system-services upstart-compat-sysv and upstart-logd will likely be needed additionally
[11:28] <ogra> though ...
[11:29] <ogra> it might be that udev gets a prob alongside if certain sockets from new upstart arent available
[11:29] <goshawk> uhm.. let me see where is /sbin/reboot in karmic
[11:29] <ogra> likely in upstart 0.6
[11:30] <ogra> yeah, it is ... (on x86)
[11:30] <goshawk> yep it's there
[11:30] <ogra> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/0.6.0-2/+build/1112005/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-armel.upstart_0.6.0-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:30] <ogra> thats the prob
[11:30] <ogra> and by the looks of it its caused by a gcc bug
[11:30] <goshawk> so.. the question is... when will upstart will be built?
[11:30] <goshawk> ah!
[11:30] <goshawk> wow!
[11:30] <ogra> so it wil take a while to identify and fix i assume
[11:31] <goshawk> ogra: it's nice to have the build daemon :)
[11:31] <ogra> ah, well ... its not very helpful with its error messages in this case
[11:32] <ogra> i only found the actual error by building upstart at home
[11:32] <goshawk> uhm... it seems that test_node.c
[11:32] <goshawk> did it kill cuz it hangS?
[11:33] <ogra> no
[11:33] <goshawk> Session terminated, killing shell...make: *** wait: No child processesmake[1]: *** [check-recursive] Terminated
[11:33] <goshawk> Build killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity
[11:33] <ogra> gcc spills an error the log doesnt have
[11:33] <goshawk> ah
[11:33] <goshawk> ok, so i've to build by myself to see it
[11:34] <ogra> tests/test_watch.c: In function ‘test_new’:
[11:34] <ogra> tests/test_watch.c:590: internal compiler error: in df_ref_record, at df-scan.c:2845
[11:34] <ogra> depending on what board i build t here i get different errors :/
[11:34] <goshawk> :( that's very weird
[11:34] <ogra> yes
[11:35] <ogra> fun is though that the package is built in a way that it should finish building even if the tests fail
[11:35] <ogra> and that actually works in a local build
[11:35] <goshawk> can it be a problem related to gcc?
[11:36] <ogra> the buildd lock up though and kills the process after 150min
[11:36] <ogra> yes, very likely
[11:36] <ogra> i will need to talk with our gcc maintainer tomorrow
[11:36] <ogra> and with Keybuk who wrote upstart
[11:37] <goshawk> ogra: it seems that gcc goes in loop for me
[11:37] <goshawk> and it never exits
[11:37] <goshawk> from compiling
[11:37] <goshawk> (for the builder)
[11:37] <goshawk> at home it gives - internal compiler error -
[11:37] <ogra> right
[11:37] <goshawk> ogra: does it hang after "internal compiler error"
[11:37] <goshawk> ?
[11:38] <ogra> no idea, a buildd admin might know
[11:38] <goshawk> no i mean
[11:38] <goshawk> at home
[11:38] <ogra> it might hang before
[11:38] <ogra> no, it doesnt hang at all
[11:38] <goshawk> ah.. so it goes in the loop
[11:38] <ogra> »upstart« in »../upstart_0.6.0-3_armel.deb«.
[11:38] <ogra> it rols a package
[11:40] <goshawk> uhm
[11:43] <goshawk> ok... time to go for me
[11:43] <goshawk> exam tomorrow
[11:43] <goshawk> see you
[11:48]  * ogra files bug 398403
[11:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 398403 in gcc-4.4 "gcc-4.4 fails to build upstart 0.6 on armel due to an internal compiler error" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398403
[18:37] <Stskeeps> hmm, did you make the armv6+vfp switch in karmic yet?
[18:37] <Stskeeps> as in, for gcc
[19:34] <neure> hello
[19:34] <neure> would someone be so kind and build a kernel for me to be used with qemu?)
[19:36] <kblin> there's a kernel that works with qemu.. try the -versatile kernel
[19:36] <neure> well
[19:36] <neure> i'd need one with preempt
[19:37] <neure> im using the versatile kernel already, but I have some slightly tricky application which would benefit from preempt kernel
[19:39] <kblin> I see
[19:41] <neure> or else, i wonder what all i need to be able to build the kernel myself?
[19:41] <neure> can i just get the latest kernel and build it myself, or do I need to apply some patches?
[19:43] <kblin> uh, good question.. it's been a while since I had to build a kernel myself
[19:44] <kblin> but building for armel-versatile shouldn't be different than the normal procedure for building a kernel on ubuntu
[19:44] <neure> well i need to crossbuild
[19:45] <neure> i found http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crosstools.html
[19:45] <neure> i wonder if apt-get install libc6-armel-cross libc6-dev-armel-cross binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi  gets me the right toolchain
[19:45] <neure> i'll try :)
[19:46] <neure> oh dear W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58
[19:46] <neure> that looked too easy
[19:46] <neure> can i get around that?
[19:46] <neure> does ubuntu have crosstool packages?)
[20:22] <neure> well i guess im going to try my luck with codesourcery toolchain then
[20:23] <neure> http://www.nas-central.org/wiki/Setting_up_the_codesourcery_toolchain_for_X86_to_ARM9_cross_compiling
[20:23] <neure> looks like pretty close what im doing
[20:23] <neure> except im using vmware instead of virtualbox, but anyway :D
[20:23] <neure> virtualbox bluescreened my macbook :(
[20:25] <Martyn> I've had a very good run with the CodeSourcery toolchain
[20:25] <Martyn> just remember you don't have NEON or good vfp support in the Lite version
[20:25] <neure> well
[20:26] <neure> im targeting for qemu
[20:26] <Martyn> nod
[20:27] <Martyn> there's also a good 4.2 and 4.4 toolchain set that supports armv5/6/7
[20:27] <Martyn> I'm using CodeSourcery only because I'm developing for the Cortex-A9
[20:30] <neure> uuh
[20:31] <neure> i downloaded arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi.bin
[20:31] <neure> it needs X11 huh
[20:31] <neure> i dont have X11 :D
[20:31] <neure> i dont event want one
[20:32] <Martyn> Wait, needs x11?
[20:32] <Martyn> why?
[20:32] <Martyn> Wierd.
[20:32] <neure> i suppose it has some graphical installer
[20:34] <Martyn> Did you download that from silver.arm.com?
[20:34] <Martyn> I'm trying to figure out which toolchain it's part of
[20:35] <neure> from codesourcey
[20:35] <neure> now i'll try this script http://www.nas-central.org/wiki/Setting_up_the_codesourcery_toolchain_for_X86_to_ARM9_cross_compiling
[21:04] <neure> i wonder which kernel configuration to use for qemu
[21:09] <Martyn-> There's a standard one
[21:09] <Martyn-> make qemuconfig
[21:09] <Martyn-> or something along those lines
[21:09] <Martyn-> you'll find it in the kernel tree
[21:10] <neure> how?
[21:10] <neure> make qemuconfig didn't work
[21:11] <neure> http://kernel.xc.net/search.cgi?string=qemu&version=2.6.30&arch=arm doesnt find much about qemu
[22:33] <neure> oh dear
[22:33] <neure> the kernel i compiled didn't start in qemu :/
[22:35] <neure> would anyone have their kernel config?
[22:48] <neure> hmm
1097:2: warning: #warning syscall fadvise64 not implemented
1265:2: warning: #warning syscall migrate_pages not implemented
1321:2: warning: #warning syscall pselect6 not implemented
1325:2: warning: #warning syscall ppoll not implemented
1365:2: warning: #warning syscall epoll_pwait not implemented
[22:49] <neure> i wonder if that is anything to worry about


[18:44] <Guest78> Cheers to the maintainers for making such a great tool.  I'm trying to find documentation on starting from the cloud-init package in the case there is no image available.  In my case, I'm working on a non-major cloud that has the concept of user-data, which is just a string not backed by cloud-init.  Installing the package seems easy enough, but how can I tell cloud-init to look at my custom metadata / user data field?
[18:45] <Guest78> apologies if I am totally missing the complexity of such a request
[19:59] <rharper> Guest78: If your cloud does is one of the cloud-init datasources it knows how to read then you may want to look at using the NoCloud datasource which can read information from an ISO, floppy, or a directory within the image
[20:00] <rharper> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[20:00] <rharper> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[20:07] <Guest78> thank you @rharper it is not, but there is a metadata URL so hopefully that can be a source without much hassle
[20:09] <rharper> Guest78: maybe;   do you know if it 's similar to any of the existing datasources?  like an OpenStack variant ?
[20:10] <rharper> the quickest way is likely to write a shell program which uses curl/wget to pull the metadata and then you can parse out what you need from it.   Is it only meta-data or does it include user-data as well ?
[20:11] <Guest78> @rharper the metadata endpoint is different and I'm honestly not sure what is similar.  it seems like I may be able to use nocloud-net in the docs you sent me "With ds=nocloud-net, the seedfrom value must start with http://, https:// or ftp://"
[20:12] <Guest78> there is user_data in the meta-data, yes, it's a 16K max string
[20:12] <rharper> can you dump the output from the URL  somewhere ?
[20:13] <rharper> typically a cloud needs to provide a unique id (instance-id) ; and then user-data would include yaml in cloud-config format which can be processed;   if it's in NoCloud's format (one file for meta-data and one file for user-data)
[20:13] <rharper> it's possible that the seedfrom=url could work
[20:14] <Guest78> very cool, you mean the output from the metadata service?
[20:14] <rharper> yeah
[20:15] <Guest78> Ok
[20:43] <Guest78> @rharper excuse the delay that info is a little too revealing, but it's a large json response where user_data is: curl http://<gateway_ip>/skytap/ | jq .user_data
[20:44] <rharper> np
[20:44] <rharper> the NoCloud datasource expects cloud-config, which is textoutput starting with #cloud-config\n<yaml>
[20:45] <rharper> so, the NoCloud datasource isn't going to work with that.
[20:46] <Guest78> ok, thanks for clearing that up
[20:46] <rharper> there are more complicated ways to use NoCloud to run a program to extract the user-data/cloud-config and run that manually, but that's not going work well.  Likely the best bet would be to teach cloud-init how to consume the metadata URL directly
[20:49] <Guest78> ok, great, I'll start looking into that.  For now we'll probably go with your idea of using the shell script to parse user data until we can figure that out.  cheers!
[20:50] <rharper> sure
[21:07] <smoser> Guest78: how did/do you sign up for skytap?
[23:53] <Guest78> @smoser it sorta fell into my lap professionally.  Did some digging and if you want to check it out, one of the professional services folks would like to get you an account.  I'll DM his contact


[09:00] <fabbione> hey BenC
[09:00] <fabbione> BenC: i have a bunch of updates to push to git
[09:01] <fabbione> if you can kindly wait to pull from me, it will spare you another pull in a few hours
[09:05] <BenC> ok, I probably wont pull till I get back up in the morning :)
[09:05] <fabbione> perfect
[09:13] <BenC> hey fabbione, has your powerbook ever booted where capslock and numlock were reverted?
[09:14] <fabbione> hmm i never noticed that
[09:14] <fabbione> i don't use any of them
[09:14] <BenC> last time I rebooted (even in macosx) they were on to start
[09:14] <BenC> it was weird
[09:14] <fabbione> oh..
[09:14] <fabbione> no, never seen
[09:14] <fabbione> i need to check with the latest kernel tho
[09:14] <fabbione> it's a bit i don't update the toy
[09:14] <BenC> well, the lights were on, but they weren't enabled
[09:14] <fabbione> nope.. never seen
[09:15] <BenC> shouldn't be kernel related, since macosx was affected too
[09:15] <BenC> I fear hardware issues :)
[09:15] <fabbione> possibly
[09:15] <fabbione> we can verify the OF versions..
[09:15] <fabbione> i just don't know how
[09:15] <BenC> something in /proc/device-tree
[09:16] <fabbione> ok i will look at it later
[09:16] <fabbione> wife is using it atm
[09:17] <BenC> I'm hoping terra/ibm will do that deal again soon, my wife wants one for herself :)
[09:17] <BenC> but that means I'll get the G5 for building/testing
[09:18] <fabbione> ehehe
[09:30] <fabbione> BenC: ok i am done with the redhat cluster suite
[09:30] <fabbione> you can pull anytime
[09:30] <BenC> ok, thanks
[09:31] <sn9> any more test builds of snd-powermac.ko?
[09:31] <BenC> not yet, but I will be getting to it this coming week
[03:09] <Mithrandir> BenC: prod?
[03:10] <BenC> Mithrandir: ?
[03:10] <Mithrandir> BenC: have you done anything which could have made /dev/null turn up as c 0 259 in the latest kernels?
[03:10] <Mithrandir> (the static /dev/null)
[03:11] <Mithrandir> (when it's on squashfs)
[03:11] <BenC> heh, no, pretty sure I haven't :)
[03:11] <sn9> sounds like a stray udev rule to me
[03:11] <BenC> unless something in squashfs did it
[03:11] <Mithrandir> sn9: static dev.
[03:11] <zul> heylo
[03:12] <Mithrandir> BenC: same image looks fine with an older kernel.
[03:12] <Mithrandir> I see it on both i386 and amd64
[03:12] <sn9> i can check ppc
[03:13] <sn9> a quick ls -l showed 1,3
[03:13] <Mithrandir> BenC: if you pull down http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base/current/i386.squashfs and look at it, you'll see that /dev/null is c 0 259
[03:14] <Mithrandir> sn9: how did you check?
[03:14] <BenC> what do you mean "static dev"?
[03:14] <Mithrandir> if you mount that image somewhere and look in /dev
[03:14] <sn9> i did ls -l
[03:14] <BenC> Mithrandir: but what created that file?
[03:15] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu /tmp > sudo mount -o loop amd64.squashfs /mnt -t squashfs
[03:15] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@thosu /tmp > ls -l /mnt/dev/null
[03:15] <Mithrandir> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0, 259 2006-02-03 05:53 /mnt/dev/null
[03:15] <Mithrandir> BenC: mksquashfs.
[03:16] <Mithrandir> this worked with -14 but not -15
[03:16] <sn9> oh. i looked at -14
[03:17] <BenC> Mithrandir: no, what created /dev/null in the dir where you used mksquashfs
[03:17] <Mithrandir> BenC: debootstrap/makedev.
[03:17] <BenC> from what I can tell, mksquashfs is like mkisofs, it doesn't create files
[03:17] <sn9> you had said "latest kernels" so i thought -14 would be included
[03:17] <Mithrandir> BenC: it's done on the buildds, which run .12
[03:18] <Mithrandir>   * Updated squashfs to latest CVS.
[03:18] <Mithrandir> I wonder if that can be blamed
[03:18] <BenC> Mithrandir: so maybe debootstrap is at fault?
[03:18] <BenC> Mithrandir: is /dev/null ok in the root where deboostrap creates?
[03:19] <BenC> so if you mount the squashfs under -14, it /dev/null correct?
[03:19] <BenC> if the kernel module is at fault, then the image should be fine, and would work with -14, but not -15
[03:19] <sn9> maybe the version of mksquashfs used isn't in sync with the squashfs in the kernel
[03:19] <Mithrandir> BenC: correct.
[03:19] <Mithrandir> sn9: shouldn't matter.
[03:19] <BenC> Mithrandir: so you verified that this image works correctly with -14?
[03:19] <Mithrandir> BenC: yes.
[03:19] <Mithrandir> BenC: or at least, /dev/null isn't on crack
[03:19] <BenC> Mithrandir: actually it could matter if they made some whacked change in the filesystem
[03:20] <Mithrandir> well, they do actually version the file systems, so if so it'd still be a bug in the kernel module
[03:20] <sn9> just because it shouldn't doesn't mean it doesn't
[03:20] <Mithrandir> it supports 1.0, 2.0 and 2.1, IIRC.
[03:20] <BenC> ok, I'm booted into -14 on my powerbook, but I have -15 installed
[03:20] <BenC> I'll check into this
[03:20] <Mithrandir> coolie, thanks.
[03:21] <BenC> Mithrandir: no, there was compatibility options in the kernel module that I wasn't sure about
[03:21] <BenC> it's possible that I didn't enable/disable one like I should
[03:21] <BenC> is this holding up cd's?
[03:21] <Mithrandir> yes.
[03:21] <BenC> I'll make it a priority for today then
[03:21] <Mithrandir> thanks
[03:21] <BenC> np
[03:22] <fabbione> hey Ben
[03:22] <BenC> how long will you be around?
[03:22] <BenC> hey fabbione
[03:22] <zul> oh hey BenC..
[03:22] <BenC> hey zul
[03:22] <Mithrandir> BenC: I?  An hour more or so.
[03:22] <BenC> I've been spending the past few days out in my barn working on oopses and breezy->dapper regeressions...will be nice to work inside again :)
[03:23] <fabbione> hi zul
[03:23] <BenC> Mithrandir: probably wont be fixed before you leave, but by tomorrow for you :)
[03:24] <fabbione> BenC: you are good to pull from me
[03:24] <Mithrandir> BenC: thanks
[03:24] <fabbione> BenC: tho it might add a symbol, but don't break the ABI
[03:29] <BenC> fabbione: ok, because I'll want to do a quick upload for this squashfs problem with the ABI bump
[03:29] <BenC> I might just skip the pull to be safe, and do it after the upload
[03:30] <fabbione> BenC: if you plan to bump the ABI, it would be good to check OCFS2 and import bug fixes
[03:30] <fabbione> i didn't get that far
[03:30] <fabbione> the pull is safe..
[03:30] <fabbione> but up to you
[03:30] <fabbione> just don't wait long, there is also that security fix in it
[03:31] <BenC> ok
[03:31] <BenC> rebooting to -15, squashfs looked good under -14
[04:49] <BenC> Mithrandir: fixed
[04:49] <BenC> uploading soon
[04:50] <BenC> I would strongly suggest that you update squashfs tools from CVS
[04:57] <Mithrandir> oh, why?  We're in UVF.
[04:59] <BenC> it's not a requirement, just a strong suggestion :)
[04:59] <BenC> the new code isn't being used if you use the v2 tools
[04:59] <BenC> not sure what benefits the new code holds, but it may fix some problems
[05:00] <BenC> maybe you can test with both and see if it helps/hurts? especially on ppc where we have oopses
[05:32] <Mithrandir> I still don't have a workable ppc. :-)
[05:54] <zul> later
[07:29] <mdz> BenC: speaking of unionfs powerpc oopses, I've sent you an email regarding some potential assistance there
[07:55] <mdz> BenC: ack?
[08:08] <BenC> mdz: ok
[08:09] <BenC> mdz: what's the subject of the email, I don't see it
[08:10] <mdz> Subject<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Re: Thanks - and guest access card]
[08:11] <BenC> heh, I might have deleted that as spam considering the subject, can you resend?
[08:12] <mdz> sent again
[08:12] <BenC> thanks
[09:32] <_ace> !help
[09:33] <_ace> hi
[09:33] <_ace> have some questions about make-kpkg
[09:33] <_ace> specifically how to change the name of the kernel
[09:34] <_ace> and later also questions about build-kernelpackage
[09:34] <BenC> what do you mean "name"?
[09:35] <_ace> I made a kernel with make-kpkg and the deb is named kernel-image-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2_i386.deb
[09:35] <_ace> (I know, it's old, I have reasons though)
[09:35] <BenC> so what name would you like it to be?
[09:36] <sn9> probably linux-image
[09:36] <_ace> Something like kernel-image-2.6.11-w4l-686-smp-megaraid.deb
[09:36] <_ace> sn9
[09:36] <_ace> linux or kernel, there's a whole stoy behind that! want me to tell ya ?
[09:36] <BenC> --append_to_version=-w4l-686-smp-megaraid
[09:37] <BenC> for s/kernel/linux/ do --stem=linux
[09:37] <_ace> ah
[09:37] <_ace> that's 'stem' about thank you.
[09:38] <BenC> not sure where stem came from, but we set it to linux
[09:38] <_ace> will the append-version get rid of the '_2.6.11-0.2_i386' part
[09:38] <BenC> I think the head is that it can be --stem=bsd at some point
[09:38] <BenC> the 2.6.11-0.2 part is the version
[09:38] <BenC> or revision to be more exact
[09:39] <BenC> all of this is covered in make-kpkg(1)
[09:39] <BenC> and you wont be able to get rid of the _i386 part, that's a dpkg-deb thing, you don't want to mess with it
[09:40] <BenC> in your first example, linux-image-2.6.11 is the package name, 2.6.11-0.2 is the version+revision, and i386 is the architecture
[09:41] <_ace> okay Ill play with that a bit more
[09:41] <_ace> for reference, just chek http://www.suares.an/?page_id=28
[09:42] <BenC> if you change the package name (--append_to_version), it will change the package name and the version+revision
[09:42] <_ace> it also explains the reason I went for the 2.6.11 kernel
[09:42] <_ace> However, in a wiki i read that you can do apt-get source linux-<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:42] <_ace> but that gives an error
[09:43] <_ace> you can only do that for 2.6.12
[09:43] <_ace> why is that not possible for 2.6.11 ?
[09:43] <_ace> also, the only place I found the 2.6.11 kernel with debian patches
[09:44] <_ace> is http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.11/
[09:44] <_ace> there are three files (orig, diff and dsc) and I can finally (after some days of toying around
[09:44] <_ace> )
[09:44] <_ace> make a kernel from that.
[09:44] <sn9> it all depends on your sources.list
[09:44] <BenC> because we never shipped a 2.6.11 kernel
[09:45] <_ace> BenC: aha ! thx for the clarification!
[09:45] <BenC> it was a development package, not really supported
[09:45] <_ace> now this kernel that I found
[09:45] <_ace> which *version* is that
[09:45] <_ace> <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:45] <_ace> or some even older one ?
[09:45] <BenC> no idea to be honest, It was before my time here :)
[09:45] <BenC> probably older
[09:45] <_ace> heh
[09:45] <_ace> thought so
[09:46] <_ace> You know the whole problem would be away
[09:46] <_ace> if win4lin had had a patch for 2.6.12 that *does* include smp support
[09:46] <_ace> but that is not the case
[09:46] <_ace> that cost me a lot of time
[09:46] <_ace> win4lin distributes generic kernels
[09:46] <_ace> with <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:46] <BenC> the 2.6.11 patch doesn't apply to 2.6.12?
[09:47] <_ace> and it doesn't boot on my machine since it misses the megaraid
[09:47] <_ace> drivers..
[09:47] <_ace> eh..
[09:47] <_ace> i haven't tried
[09:47] <BenC> and if not, have you tried manually fixing the failed hunks of diff?
[09:47] <BenC> you should try
[09:47] <_ace> but i figured why they publish a patch for 2.6.12 that has no smp support
[09:47] <BenC> just because they say 2.6.11, doesn't mean it wont work with 2.6.12
[09:47] <_ace> if it were that easy...
[09:47] <_ace> guess i should try that...
[09:47] <BenC> probably because the 2.6.11 patch applied cleanly to 2.6.12? :)
[09:48] <_ace> would be very strange
[09:48] <BenC> I'd give it a go, if you get a couple of .rej's you can clean them up by hand usually
[09:48] <_ace> http://www.win4lin.com/component/option,com_remository/Itemid,76/func,select/id,4/
[09:48] <_ace> they *do* have a patch, if the 2.6.11 worked, why make a 2.6.12 patch with no smp support ?
[09:49] <_ace> 2.6.13 doesn't have smp support
[09:49] <_ace> en at <IP_ADDRESS> suddenly it's back
[09:50] <BenC> just making suggestions, I've no idea what might or might not happen with it
[09:50] <_ace> good idea though, I might try that.
[09:50] <_ace> still, in the end I want a *real* ubuntu kernel
[09:50] <_ace> so now I learned about dpatch
[09:50] <_ace> heh
[09:51] <_ace> and build-kernelpackage (or whatever that command is called) failed miserably with the 2.6.11
[09:51] <_ace> stuff and now I know why :-(
[09:51] <_ace> I'll go off and try some stuff now... brb...
[09:52] <_ace> thanks so far...
[10:18] <bubbalwz> BenC: any idea when the kernel update will be out that'll fix megaraid?
[10:18] <bubbalwz> i thikn fabbione had the changes
[10:18] <BenC> I pulled his changes for dapper earlier
[10:18] <bubbalwz> ok, so nothing for breezy?
[10:19] <bubbalwz> i tested a kernel he sent me ... 2.6.12-10-686.26
[10:19] <bubbalwz> on breezy
[10:20] <bubbalwz> just wonderinf if that would make it into a security update
[10:39] <_ace> whatr's wrong with the megaraid ?
[11:11] <fabbione> bubbalwz: i am uploading to breezy now or tomorrow.
[11:11] <fabbione> bubbalwz: the fix is there
[11:17] <fabbione> bubbalwz: ok 2.6.12-10.27 is up
[11:17] <fabbione> it will take a day or probably 2 to be in the archive
[11:17] <fabbione> with that version you should be fine
[11:18] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.12 (2.6.12-10.27) breezy-security; urgency=low
[11:18] <fabbione>   Changed by Fabio M. Di Nitto:
[11:18] <fabbione>   * Fix regression from hoary kernel in megaraid scsi driver:
[11:18] <fabbione>     In the breezy kernel a split up of the megaraid and megaraid_m* driver was
[11:18] <fabbione>     done to be able to support all controllers. During the split one pci
[11:18] <fabbione>     subvendor ID was lost due to removal of PCI_ANY catch all.
[11:18] <fabbione>     Thanks to Brian (bubba) Wilson for spotting the issue and testing the fix.
[11:18] <fabbione>     Update drivers-scsi-megaraid_splitup.dpatch with the missing ID.
[11:18] <fabbione>   * [SECURITY] : Fix extra dst release when ip_options_echo fails:
[11:18] <fabbione>     - Add patch CVE-2006-0454.dpatch.
[11:18] <fabbione>  -- Fabio M. Di Nitto<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:41:12 +0100


[05:01] <sbeattie> we considered a rebuild the world for bionic immediately prior to its release due to spectre/meltdown to retpoline everything, but based on a few factors ended up deciding not to.
[17:47] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks a bunch everyone. I'm still not sure what happened, I know it happened while I was working on Ubuntu Touch. Oh well. Glad for the context!


[00:09] <Unit193> "tee redirects only stdout"  that's why  2>&1 | tee
[00:32] <Unit193> xnox: Thanks.
[00:32] <Unit193> Now I'm scared to ask. :P
[02:34] <skellat> Okay, LP #1231978 bothers me greatly on my clean install of the daily.  We need to figure that one out soon.
[09:42] <brainwash> Unit193: yes, I guess this terminal gtk mneu issue requires some real debugging :(
[09:46] <Noskcaj10> brainwash, Can't you use xterm to help with debugging
[09:47] <brainwash> Noskcaj10: I did, using another terminal emulator to start xfce4-terminal freezes the session
[09:47] <brainwash> (if you trigger the bug)
[09:53] <Noskcaj10> brainwash, Some ideas for debugging: Test debian version, Test the xfce version, test older versions. It looks like it's something else rather than the terminal itself though
[09:54] <brainwash> right, thanks for the ideas :)
[09:56] <Noskcaj10> I've just added myself to the affects list
[09:57] <Noskcaj10> But if you can repeat it in a debian install or with the upstream tarball please file the bug there, it should speed up getting a fix
[10:00] <brainwash> yes, I will
[11:17] <brainwash> wow, first time I see the update notifier applet in saucy
[11:18] <brainwash> does a bug report for all the hidden gtk3 indicators exist?
[11:21] <brainwash> besides, it's almost unbelievable, how often apport gets triggered, it's like every app wants to segfault once in a while
[11:29] <baizon> well, the update notifier isnt showing up for me :(
[11:29] <baizon> not for me
[11:38] <brainwash> it did for me, to tell me that I have an outdated package
[11:38] <brainwash> because I downgraded xfce4-terminal
[16:28] <skellat> Well, looking ahead to the upcoming LTS cycle...this bit of auto-removal news relative to Testing should be interesting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/09/msg00006.html
[16:28] <skellat> Nothing Xfce-related is listed so far
[16:46] <brainwash> regarding bug 1232027 , shouldn't the missing package be included asap?
[19:16] <skellat> micahg: If we're still able to do so, I think we can go ahead and remove pidgin-microblog from the archive since it has been orphaned upstream in Debian.
[19:16] <skellat> I proposed merges to get it out of our seed and Lubuntu's due to this: #712102
[19:16] <skellat> Pardon me, Debian Bug #712102
[19:16] <skellat> And now Debian Bug #724983 says it is orphaned
[19:17] <skellat> It looks like no further action on it is going to happen
[19:17] <skellat> :-(
[21:17] <kristal> Soo gnomers are playing with wayland and kde is getting there... how/when is xfce getting/going wayland?
[21:17] <ochosi> after the gtk3 transition, which is after the 4.12 release
[21:18] <ochosi> so it'll be a while
[21:18] <brainwash> in like 2 years
[21:18] <kristal> Oh my, LXDE is going to beat you.
[21:18] <ochosi> it's not a contest though
[21:19] <knome> no, not by any means
[21:19] <brainwash> feel free to help porting Xfce to gtk3
[21:19] <kristal> It's for feature phallus waving :P
[21:19] <knome> !language | kristal
[21:19] <kristal> Wow, I didn't get the language warning for that work on a Christian irc.
[21:20] <knome> that's not a contest either.
[21:21] <kristal> Well if it were, you won.  You guys porting the piles of gtk2 stuff to gtk3 or jsut rewriting a lot? I haven't looked into how modular things are.
[21:21] <brainwash> ochosi: new release of gvfs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/1.18.1-0ubuntu2
[21:21] <kristal> LXDE guys are RWing into Qt because they're soo tied into their current stuff.
[21:22] <ochosi> brainwash: the changelog doesn't suggest our problem got tackled. but at least now you have a guy to talk to (seb128)
[21:22] <ochosi> kristal: things are really modular in xfce, so you can port component-by-component
[21:23] <kristal> Qt is superior to GTK in some ways, but they way Qt uses C++ is a nightmare,  the custom memory system alone deserves it's own book.
[21:23] <ochosi> and the main libraries already compile against gtk2 and gtk3, so anyone can start hacking on it
[21:23] <brainwash> ochosi: guess I'll inform him in #ubuntu-devel
[21:23] <ochosi> brainwash: yup, good call
[21:24] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm in there, but if you need support, lemme know
[21:24] <kristal> ochosi: I'd play with it but I'm currently playing with SDL for Qt5 and GTK3.
[21:25] <ochosi> kristal: that's a shame, xfce could really use more contributors
[21:25] <kristal> ochosi: If RazorQt and LXDE could join forces, I don't see why XFCE can't eat another project.
[21:26] <kristal> Really bowls down to how stubborn the lead devs to both projects are...
[21:26] <knome> can't eat what project?
[21:26] <kristal> knome: Any project that's gtk2 going gtk3 could simply work with xfce and become an xfce fork.
[21:27] <kristal> LXDE was going to do that but went with RazorQt devs because they decided to go Qt instead of GTK.
[21:27] <ochosi> i don't know of any gtk2 DE going gtk3 tbh
[21:27] <knome> right, but wouldn't that be the same as just the other people help porting xfce to gtk3?
[21:27] <ali1234> can't think of any myself
[21:28] <ali1234> i just heard about gnome-flashback today
[21:28] <ochosi> hmyeah
[21:28] <ochosi> not sure that'll be helpful
[21:28] <ali1234> they say they're going to port metacity to gtk3
[21:28] <knome> i don't think there is anything that is enough like xfce
[21:28] <ali1234> that's just mutter though. seriously, the code is like 99% copy pasted
[21:28] <ochosi> yeah, porting metacity is weird
[21:29] <ochosi> ali1234: btw, have you considered getting your hands dirty on some xfce project yet?
[21:29] <ali1234> like what?
[21:29] <kristal> Just have to post an official message of unity and love, mail DEs that are still active but short on manpower, even if they're not gtk2.
[21:29] <ali1234> i prefer to find bugs and let someone else fix them
[21:29] <ochosi> ali1234: dunno, depends on what you use. ppl use xfce in very different ways
[21:30] <ochosi> hehe, doesn't everyone ;)
[21:30] <ali1234> i use thunar and terminal...?
[21:30] <ali1234> and panel
[21:30] <ali1234> and that's it
[21:30] <kristal> Too bad there's still no official Go packaging standard for Linux, then I could make Go software for FOSS projects...
[21:30] <knome> kristal, i don't know how that would be different from simply gathering more developers/contributors for xfce. am i missing something?
[21:31] <ali1234> i can;t honestly think of any other DEs that haven't already been mentioned except for e17
[21:31] <kristal> knome: Not much different, just having projects hook up as well.
[21:31]  * knome shrugs
[21:31] <knome> i suppose there is a reason why they are different projects to begin with
[21:32] <ali1234> and e17 is a one-man show pretty much
[21:32] <kristal> ROX is gtk2, kinda dead, maybe ask about them.
[21:32] <ochosi> kristal: anyway, if you meet motivated folk it'd be nice if you point them in xfce's direction (git.xfce.org)
[21:32] <ochosi> ali1234: same with xfce though (mostly) atm
[21:32] <kristal> ochosi: I have, but they went KDE instead. :0
[21:32] <ali1234> i've never heard of ROX before
[21:33] <brainwash> you should head over to #xfce-dev
[21:33] <ochosi> kristal: thing is, usually people work on foss for fun or to scratch an itch, so "hooking up projects" isn't as easy as it sounds
[21:33] <ochosi> the ROX-filemanager?
[21:33] <kristal> ochosi: Ya it depends on the nature of the project.
[21:33] <kristal> ochosi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROX_Desktop
[21:35] <ochosi> yeah, but "hooking up" those two projects wouldn't add any dev-resources
[21:35] <ochosi> and still, people would wanna keep working on the stuff they're interested in
[21:35] <ochosi> and since it's open source, people read each other's sourcecode anyway...
[21:35] <kristal> ochosi: Where I work we basically contribute to another company's code and repackage it as our own... same concept. lol
[21:36] <ochosi> ali1234: you don't use xfwm4?
[21:36] <ali1234> yeah i use that i guess
[21:36] <ochosi> that could use some love...
[21:36] <ali1234> why?
[21:36] <ali1234> show me the bugs
[21:36] <ochosi> :)
[21:37] <brainwash> opengl compositing :)
[21:37] <ali1234> works for me
[21:37] <knome> ehm, probably not the highest priority bug :P
[21:37] <ali1234> much faster than compiz too
[21:38] <ochosi> well, many patches are rotting in bugzilla
[21:38] <ochosi> random example: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10184
[21:38] <ali1234> i don't understand how to use bugzilla
[21:39] <ali1234> it's the worst bug tracker ever :(
[21:39] <ali1234> you see a bug once and can never find it again because the search is useless
[21:39] <brainwash> does anyone run debian testing? we need to confirm bug 1231978
[21:39] <ali1234> why would you need to run debian testing to confirm that?
[21:40] <brainwash> too many questions
[21:40] <kristal> I have that bug in ubuntu 13.10
[21:40] <ochosi> ali1234: then there is a bug in xfwm4/X11 (since 12.10) that you can't use 1px window-borders anymore (it creates weird artifacts on the screen). our workaround was patching the themes. not too nice
[21:40] <ali1234> ah the window borders
[21:40] <ali1234> those need reworking
[21:40] <ochosi> ali1234: before i go into more, it just could use someone to look after
[21:40] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, stuff like enhanced grab-area for resizing, etc.
[21:40] <ali1234> it should be possible to have 0px window borders and still resize windows
[21:41] <ochosi> exactly
[21:41] <ali1234> kde only got that like a month or two ago :(
[21:41] <ochosi> i'm not saying those are all critical bugs, but there are 200+ bugs in bugzilla for xfwm4
[21:41] <ochosi> some extremely long-standing
[21:42] <ochosi> (many of those are design decisions)
[21:42] <ali1234> how can i see all the bugs affecting xfwm4 in chronological order?
[21:42] <ochosi> but also a lot of more recent ones
[21:42] <ochosi> ali1234: is PM ok? that link is loooong
[21:42] <ali1234> ha
[21:42] <skellat> brainwash: I can confirm that it is not found in Debian Testing on armhf with thunar 1.6.3-1 and gvfs 1.16.3-1+b1 according to apt-cache policy
[21:43] <ali1234> one time someone told me the link for "how to see all bugs you've commented on or edited" - with the warning "don't use this often, it kills the server"
[21:43] <ali1234> and so bugzilla sucks
[21:43] <brainwash> skellat: gvfs 1.18 is causing the trouble
[21:44] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, agreed to some extent... launchpad is quite awfully slow though and not much better
[21:45] <skellat> brainwash: Well, I've got on armhf what Debian has packaged.  Apparently Ubuntu has its own deltas.  See: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gvfs
[21:45] <ochosi> ali1234: btw, the link i sent you was sorted by "date when bug was last changed/updated", i can also send you one sorted by when it was opened
[21:45] <kristal> bug 1231978 is a far reaching one... every gtk FM I have is affected.
[21:45] <ali1234> i can sort it by ID
[21:45] <ochosi> true, should be the same :)
[21:46] <brainwash> kristal: nautilus, nemo?
[21:46] <kristal> brainwash: PCManFM, Nemo, Thunar... I'll try some more in a few mins.
[21:46] <brainwash> so Nemo is affected?
[21:46] <kristal> 3 FMs, surely not a coincidence, there's a pretty nasty underlying bug.
[21:47] <kristal> brainwash: Definitely.
[21:47] <brainwash> nautilus and nemo work fine for me
[21:47] <ochosi> anyhoo, i'm off for now
[21:47] <ochosi> bbiab
[21:47] <kristal> brainwash:  With Nemo the FM completely hangs up sometimes, but not 100% of the time like with pcmanfm or thunar
[21:48] <brainwash> ochosi: cya
[21:48] <ochosi> cya brainwash
[21:48] <brainwash> skellat: want to file a bug report upstream? bugzilla.gnome.org
[21:49] <kristal> brainwash: right click trash in nemo instead of left click, that seems to do the trick
[21:49] <brainwash> kristal: I'll try it
[21:50] <ali1234> i can't reproduce that bug about setting the clock back
[21:52] <brainwash> kristal: negative, nemo does not crash or lock up
[21:52] <kristal> brainwash: Just found an interesting quirk... after you crash and close... the next time you try you can't crash it again until you restart
[21:52] <brainwash> kristal: yes, I can confirm that (I think)
[21:53] <brainwash> maybe there is some randomness involved
[21:53] <kristal> What a bugger of a bug, it's not very consistent.
[21:53] <kristal> I can confirm it's not consistent on any FM, but PCManFM seems to get it the worst.
[21:54] <brainwash> delete some file and hover over the trash icon on the desktop (xfdesktop)
[21:54] <kristal> Nemo the best, Thunar in the middle... kde's fm seems fine so far
[21:54] <kristal> I wonder if fedora 20 has this issue...
[21:55] <brainwash> want to freeze your session? open xterm and start xfce4-terminal, not navigate to Menu Bar > Terminal > Set Encoding
[21:55] <brainwash> s/not/now/
[21:56] <ali1234> i just LOVE it when people CAPITALIZE random words IN bug REPORTS
[21:56] <Noskcaj> brainwash, If you do it xfce4terminal to xfce4-terminal it doesn't freeze the session
[21:56] <brainwash> I know, both instances simply vanish
[21:56] <kristal> me? let me swap back to xfce, i was playing with lxde... in lxde your desktop wallpaper disappears when the FM crashes, i kid you not.
[21:57] <Noskcaj> ali1234, You get used to it, as well as random swearing and saying that something else is better
[21:57] <brainwash> because pcmanfm handles the desktop
[21:57] <kristal> brainwash: Ah, that makes sense then.
[21:58] <ali1234> i don't mind ranting as long as it is well written
[21:59] <skellat> brainwash: The thing is, after the last apt-get dist-upgrade, the problem stopped on my Saucy Salamander partition.  Then again, there's no longer an option to send something to trash or view trash in Thunar but instead an 'rm -f' sort of menu item.
[22:00] <skellat> And I wasn't watching to see which packages changed
[22:01] <brainwash> skellat: a new release of gvfs has been pushed into proposed 2-3 hours ago
[22:01] <brainwash> only fixing a non-related bug
[22:02] <brainwash> skellat: wait, the trash is missing?
[22:02] <brainwash> did you remove gvfs eventually? :D
[22:03] <ali1234> speaking of "trash"
[22:03] <ali1234> the localization is all mixed up for me
[22:03] <kristal> So I installed trash-cli and this lets me view and empty trash without crashing the FM. :P
[22:03] <ali1234> sometimes it is wastebasket, sometimes it is rubbish bin
[22:04] <ali1234> and sometimes it is trash
[22:05] <brainwash> garbage can, waste container,..
[22:05] <skellat> brainwash: Nope, gvfs is still there...Trash is just no longer visible in thunar
[22:05] <brainwash> skellat: that's odd
[22:06] <skellat> Yep
[22:06]  * skellat heads to kitchen
[22:06] <kristal> Better having trash disabled until there's a proper fix...
[22:07] <brainwash> and why did ubuntu switch to gvfs 1.18 ahead of debian? :/
[22:08] <kristal> Probally for some feature or fix that affects canonical only.
[22:10] <kristal> hahaha, added trash applet think it'd have it's own little UI for emptying trash.. launches thunar... now have dead thunar
[22:10] <Noskcaj> The switch was probably so it was tested for the LTS
[22:10] <Noskcaj> btw, can we try and have a PPC release for 14.04?
[22:11] <kristal> A lot of 13.10 is intended for 14.04
[22:11] <knome> Noskcaj, where's the testers or the demand really?
[22:11] <kristal> ARM >>>>>>> PPC
[22:12] <kristal> China is looking for MIPS desktop OSes for their loongson platform, currently they use Debian.
[22:12] <Noskcaj> knome, there's not much demand. At least lubuntu will have a great PPC release then, and ubuntu might re-make it's image
[22:13] <knome> Noskcaj, why would we have a PPC release for 14.04 then and take the extra workload?
[22:13] <kristal> too bad sony killed otheros on the ps3, that would have propped up ppc demand
[22:13] <Noskcaj> kristal, yeah
[22:14] <kristal> PS4 and XboxOne are AMD APU, AMD64... I can't wait until one gets hacked and you can run Linux on it.
[22:14] <kristal> 8GB RAM, 8 weak cores, 1 pretty nice GPU
[22:14] <Noskcaj> :)
[22:14] <kristal> It'll be Xbox1 all over again.
[22:14] <Noskcaj> and linux gaming from the steam box
[22:14] <knome> can we take the non-devel talk to #xubuntu-offtopic? cheers.
[22:15] <Noskcaj> sure
[22:44] <kristal> Sorry to paster you about this, but I don't know if the feature exists. In window manger I don't see a keyboard shortcut to undecorate a window, is this not possible?


[16:41] <bryceh> jbicha, wish we could phase the autosync.  some stuff like the r-bioc stack are perhaps less important to sync upfront.  I was really hoping php8.1 would finish processing over the weekend.
[21:29] <mfo> jdstrand, hey Jamie o/ i'm working on the SRU of bug 1933117 , can you please target it to series bionic/focal/hirsute? i usually can do this, but not for this bug (maybe bcz it's a different project).
[21:33] <sarnold> is that "target to milestone" then Ubuntu focal-updates etc?
[21:33] <bdmurray> "Target to series"
[21:34] <bdmurray> when the highlighted task is "ufw (Ubuntu)"
[21:34] <sarnold> aha, thanks, I thought this looked different than I expected
[21:34] <bdmurray> I had to add "ubuntu/+source" to the url to get that link to appear
[21:35] <sarnold> crazy
[21:36] <sarnold> mfo: can you see it via https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ufw/+bug/1933117/ ?
[21:37] <mfo> sarnold, ah, that works! thank you
[21:38] <mfo> jdstrand, done, nevermind :)


[00:09] <nukedclx22> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:09] <revi16> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[03:09] <revi16> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[03:48] <mdroid> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
[04:20] <timeless9> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake
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 왜 스팸이 프리노드 해명글까지 링크하는거지..
 프리노드 블로그가 ico 광고 계시판이라고 링크를 걸면서 선동까지 하는군요(…)
 살다살다 별의 별 놈들을 다보네(…)
[05:56] <autowiz> 이거 프리노트 스팸방지기능이 스패머가 말하는 내용을 저 문구로 바꿔서 보내는거 아닌가요?
[05:57] <autowiz> 아 아닌거 같군요 ㅎㅎ
[06:24] <get> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:24] <get> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[06:25] <autowiz> 앞으로 어떻게 전개될지는 모르겠지만
[06:26] <autowiz> 스팸봇 운영한사람들 법정에 서면 좋겠네요 ㅜㅜ
[06:26] <autowiz> 일반 로그인이 아니라 어떻게 할 수 도 없고 ㅜㅜ   ㅜㅜ
[06:27] <Awesomecase> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[06:40] <BackUP17> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:00] <hpt> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[08:00] <hpt> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[08:00] <hpt> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[08:00] <hpt> Oh, and about those donations she speaks of: https://twitter.com/ISCdotORG/status/1025461692132519936
[08:01] <hpt> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
[08:38] <yar8> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[09:02] <soyeomul> 안녕하세요~
[09:06] <soyeomul> 어
[09:06] <soyeomul> 이맥스였다...
[09:09] <soyeomul> 아훕스님 어서오세요~
[09:12] <soyeomul> 저녁 소여물 주러 다녀올께요~
[09:12] <soyeomul> 꾸벅
[09:25] <Sheraf> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[10:32] <steveeJ25> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:16] <t0ne10> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[11:16] <t0ne10> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[11:16] <t0ne10> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[12:27] <zyley2> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[12:49] <soyeomul> 안녕하세요~
[13:08] <acuzio7> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:08] <acuzio7> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:12] <Natechip> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[13:12] <Natechip> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[13:12] <Natechip> Consider Andrew Lee's involvement, Andrew Lee is Christel's boss at London Trust Media and he also controls the majority of freenode voting rights. Andrew Lee also heads the handshake ICO scam. Coincidence?
[13:33] <soyeomul> 데비안도 조으네요
[13:34] <soyeomul> 나비가 하단 작업표시줄에 들어갔어요~
[14:47] <AlwaysHigh1> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[14:47] <AlwaysHigh1> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.
[15:30] <BenLand1008> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[15:47] <abian4> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[17:34] <obserd> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:17] <ipv620> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[19:31] <LambdaComplex20> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[20:34] <eir11> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[21:00] <lutki_> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[22:13] <insidious3> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[23:24] <mquin2> Christel just posted this "denial" on the freenode blog https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake Why does this blog post mention "10.2 million" THREE times?
[23:24] <mquin2> This blog is essentially an ad for the Handshake ICO scam with a one-line "denial" of involvement mixed in there. It's obviously very unethical of Christel to not mention her own involvement in the scam which the blog post promotes.