[07:44] <cpaelzer> juliank: is debian/current-config some magic file/place for dh_auto_build?
[07:45] <cpaelzer> juliank: I've seen you use it in packages and want to complete the missing 5% of the puzzle to feel like I really understand it :-)
[07:45] <juliank> cpaelzer: I have?
[07:45] <cpaelzer> juliank: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipxe/commit/?id=c727c197a06dde15bd9eb140bc1d588cfba35280
[07:46] <cpaelzer> I understand the export if the target matches the file name, but I yet fail to see the point of "current-config"
[07:49] <juliank> cpaelzer: I don't understand it either. Where's 2018 juliank when you need him?
[07:51] <cpaelzer> juliank: it might be that "all you wanted" was to detect if you need to clean it up
[07:51] <cpaelzer> juliank: which is fine with me, yet I wanted to be sure that there is no arcane magic dust hidden somewhere
[12:01] <kanashiro> mwhudson: I attached a cadvisor debdiff to LP #1884663 disabling containerd support while we do not have a fix for the containerd library package, could you take a look at it?
[13:27] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/remmina/1.4.6+dfsg-2ubuntu1 ... isn't the 'remove the remmina session from GDM" part resolved by the kiosk binary split done in Debian?
[14:36] <jibel> xnox, the 3 zfs related bugs have been updated with sru information.
[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, let me have a look
[15:36] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, will fix thanks
[15:36] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, thanks!
[15:41] <xnox> bdmurray:  jibel>	xnox, the 3 zfs related bugs have been updated with sru information.
[15:44] <bdmurray> xnox: ack
[19:21] <seb128> teward, hey, bug #1875231 has been sitting there for a while, any plan to do the SRU verification or find someone to do it?
[19:22] <seb128> kanashiro, bryce, similar question for bug #1871685
[19:27] <kanashiro> seb128: thanks for the heads-up, I'll act on it
[19:27] <seb128> kanashiro, thanks
[21:26] <teward> seb128: it had already been verified like an eternity ago.  It's a simple version string change, upgrade works without issue, and we've done about a ton of those already.
[21:27] <teward> seb128: the tricky part is Server Team's now working on a merge from Debian of 1.18.0-3
[21:27] <teward> so that may have to land first.
[21:27] <teward> in order for version strings to not collide.
[21:28] <teward> seb128: was left with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1875231/comments/8
[21:28] <teward> afaict it never landed in proposed to test, so ppas are the only way i tested
[21:28] <seb128> teward, the bug has no tag so no it's not marked as verified
[21:28] <teward> it's been held in unapproved for an eternity and never released to -proposed
[21:28] <teward> so it couldnt be tested per SRU restrictions
[21:28] <seb128> ?
[21:28] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx
[21:28] <teward> or at least I never saw a message about it
[21:28] <seb128>  1.18.0-0ubuntu1 	proposed (main) 	2020-04-29
[21:29] <teward> seb128: well then the system never *told* me it was let through
[21:29] <seb128> right, unsure how that happened
[21:29] <teward> probably LP exploding
[21:29] <seb128> I'm coming from https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[21:29] <teward> so because i never saw the notification I never *saw* that it was ready for testing
[21:29] <teward> but the package as it was should work - however not sure you want to give bryce even more work :P
[21:29] <seb128> where it's marked as 56 days old and not verified
[21:30] <teward> it's been tagged now
[21:30] <seb128> thx
[21:30] <teward> also nobody put verification-needed
[21:30] <teward> note that this would be superseded by the merge bryce is working on
[21:30] <seb128> right, looks like it was accepted without the usual SRU tooling
[21:30] <teward> yep
[21:30] <seb128> no comment, no tgging
[21:30] <seb128> k, good to know
[21:31] <seb128> I was mostly trying to make sure that things don't end up sitting in proposed for ever because it's just a waste of effort for everyone
[21:31] <teward> seb128: but unless you want a "WTF" to happen in Groovy with it having a lower version than in Focal you'll have to wait for bryce to complete their merge from Debian in Groovy
[21:31] <teward> seb128: ack
[21:53] <bryce> teward, yeah just wrapping up things on that merge, might be uploaded tomorrow
[21:53] <teward> bryce: sounds good :)
[21:56] <bryce> teward, actually since you're here, one of the last bits needing thought is how the replaces/breaks added by debian to nginx-core for nginx-full will behave for users upgrading from focal.  Christian suggested in review we may want to have something to give users a cleaner upgrade experience from focal, until 22.04.  What do you think we should do?
[21:57] <teward> bryce: if they used the nginx metapackage that just pulls in nginx-common and nginx-(core|full|light|extras) so it SHOULD work without issue
[21:57] <teward> so to my knowledge if how APT works nginx-full still meets the dep criterion
[21:57] <teward> lemme double check the control file
[21:59] <teward> yeah to my knowledge https://git.launchpad.net/~bryce/ubuntu/+source/nginx/tree/debian/control?h=merge-v1.18.0-3#n34 is where that magic happens and this should Just Work
[21:59] <teward> i could test it if necessary but nginx-full will upgrade to nginx-full and nginx-core will upgrade to nginx-core here in Ubuntu
[21:59] <teward> in Debian, nginx-core is new so any upgrade tasks will still meet nginx-full or nginx-light or nginx-extras
[22:00] <teward> if they're using nginx metapackage
[22:00] <teward> and flavors will still upgrade to their corresponding flavor both in Ubuntu and Debian
[22:01] <teward> bryyce: let me know what you missed from my mini dump of info
[22:01] <teward> tl;dr I think it will Just Work because those deps on nginx metapackage are ORs.
[22:02] <teward> and it should Just Work in a Debian/Ubuntu way, and in upgrade stay on the same nginx version since nginx-full, nginx-light, nginx-core, nginx-extras are independent binaries and can't work in the same install
[22:07] <bryyce> sorry, kernel gpu driver oopsed
[22:07] <bryyce> last I saw was <teward> lemme double check the control file
[22:08] <bryyce> ok, was hoping it'd just work
[22:08] <teward> incoming text wall
[22:09] <teward> see direct messages for the logs bryyce
[22:12] <bryyce> thanks
[23:03] <teward> bryyce: as is it should just work for the upgrade
[23:03] <teward> nginx full doesn't switch to core, etc.
[23:03] <teward> same in Debian.  Because the "or" condition for Debian file is met.
[23:03] <teward> for the nginx metapackage*
[23:04] <bryyce> teward, *nod* I'll include this in the MP update, I'm going to send it shortly


[02:50] <zul> BenC: do you need a newer udev for 2.6.19?
[02:50] <BenC> zul: Don't think so
[02:50] <zul> ok
[02:25] <zorglu_> q. i got a dapper on 2.6.15-26-386, and it just trashed (aka disk active all the time and no more answering ping), i rebooted and /var/log/message is full of oom-killer, is there a way to determine the source of this ?
[02:25] <zorglu_> like the name of the process which consume the memory so suddently
[02:36] <neuralis> there's no guarantee that it was any one process, and discovering which process the oom killed, in particular, will not give you much of any useful information.
[02:40] <zorglu_> well it was a box which was running not doing anything but running a azureus bittorrent (which was not transfering anything)
[02:40] <zorglu_> and from /var/log/message all the swapped was used
[02:40] <zorglu_> usually on the same condition, it has like 380 of free ram + 1gbyte of swap free
[02:41] <zorglu_> so something did consume this 1.4gbyte of memory :)
[02:41] <zorglu_> and quite 'out of the blue' as the box was not doing anything i know of
[02:43] <neuralis> i don't really care about the situation on your machine; i was merely answering your question.
[02:43] <zorglu_> ok :)
[02:44] <zorglu_> so anybody around willing to help ?
[02:44] <neuralis> i don't see what kind of help you're looking for. in general, no, it's not easily possible to figure out which conditions led to an oom after you've rebooted.
[02:45] <zorglu_> well i would like to determine what caused this box, which was quite idle, to use 1.4gbyte
[02:45] <zorglu_> so i ask for more info
[02:46] <zorglu_> to people who may care :)
[02:46] <neuralis> yes, and i just told you that it generally can't be done.
[02:49] <zorglu_> ok will retry later on a more active hour, see ya
[02:49] <neuralis> sigh.
[02:59] <fabbione> neuralis: hey dude
[02:59] <neuralis> fabbione: hey, i was sick all week and never made it to the office
[02:59] <fabbione> neuralis: feeling better now?
[02:59] <neuralis> somewhat, i can mostly walk now
[03:00] <fabbione> neuralis: ouch
[03:00] <fabbione> neuralis: i did install the t2000
[03:00] <neuralis> ah, cool. so you did the bios upgrade?
[03:00] <fabbione> i left a text file in /root of the gw what i did install and changed
[03:00] <fabbione> no, i didn't do the alom update. the machine can work without but crashes at reboot
[03:01] <fabbione> and there is no way on earth to backport the driver to dapper
[03:01] <fabbione> it pulls in too many changes all over
[03:01] <fabbione> so we will need to live with edgy
[03:01] <neuralis> that was my suspicion when i dug around git, yeah :/
[03:01] <fabbione> the major bloker are the changes to the scsi_sas transport layer
[03:02] <fabbione> otherwise it was a matter of a sed call to revert mutex to semaphores
[03:02] <neuralis> gotcha. yeah, i remember looking at the scsi_sas stuff and thinking that's not going to fly..
[03:03] <fabbione> nope
[03:03] <fabbione> i did install on sdb btw..
[03:04] <fabbione> you can trash the install if you want
[03:04] <neuralis> well, it's unfortunate we can't have a lts release on it, but edgy works well, so it's probably not that big of a deal.
[03:04] <fabbione> the gw is all set for you to grab a new installer and do a netboot/netinstall
[03:04] <neuralis> great, thanks.
[03:04] <fabbione> just read the file i left there
[03:04] <neuralis> yep, read it already.
[03:04] <fabbione> i also created an account for me on the ALOm, so you can change the admin passwd
[03:05] <neuralis> will do.
[03:05] <fabbione> and you did place eth0 on the external network btw
[03:05] <fabbione> it took me a while to figure it wasn't on the internal one :)
[03:05] <neuralis> i didn't have a static ip allocated for the machine yet, so it was just picking up an external ip from dhcp, yes
[03:06] <neuralis> i'll create a short page on the wiki about the t2000 rev2 requiring edgy, so there's record of it.
[03:10] <neuralis> by the way, do you know why the machine has a pci card with an fpga on it?
[03:11] <neuralis> i sort of boggled when i saw that
[03:11] <fabbione> soirry had to go for my son
[03:11] <neuralis> np
[03:12] <fabbione> yeah i know about the dhcp.. i configured .21 static
[03:12] <fabbione> the pci card you saw is the ALOM
[03:12] <fabbione> it's ppc based card..
[03:12] <neuralis> right, i figured, but i'd have assumed they pressed their own asics for that. why on earth an fpga?
[03:13] <fabbione> no idea
[03:13] <neuralis> maybe it's cheaper if they're doing really low volumes..
[03:13] <fabbione> same volumes as Niagara's :)
[03:13] <neuralis> yeah
[03:14] <fabbione> ok i am off again to play with my son
[03:14] <fabbione> ttyl
[03:14] <neuralis> cheers
[03:14] <neuralis> oh, by the way
[03:15] <neuralis> am i misremembering, or does d-i not have a way of running a b&w install (i.e. not sending the ansi color codes)?
[03:19] <fabbione> it does autodetect :/
[03:19] <fabbione> neuralis: look for sparc64-installer spec for feisty
[03:19] <fabbione> it will make you happy
[03:20] <neuralis> okay, cool. yeah, partitioning with boot on raid and root on lvm on raid took about 2 hours over 9600bps.
[05:03] <MouseJstr> If I was hoping for a new pre-built kernel variant, should I just add a note to the effect in the EdgyIdeas/Kernel wiki page?
[10:13] <freeflying_> malone #67458
[11:06] <justin420> hi all. anybody help with building a kernel on ubuntu dapper the correct ubuntu way? that includes the ubuntu splash image? and all other ubuntu features?
[11:17] <crimsun> wiki page. (topic)
[11:28] <Xal2> Hi
[11:30] <Xal2> are the daily kernel builds built with the latest kernel?


[09:17] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i will be moving the qmltests for showing previews from tst_GenericScopeView to tst_DashContent since now we have that slide from left stuff, i think it's better suited in DashContent where the sliding actually happens, that ok with you?
[09:18] <Saviq> tsdgeos, +1
[10:05] <jibel> Hey, could anyone look at bug 1284536, it is blocking installer tests.
[10:07] <seb128> Trevinho, bregma: ^
[10:08] <seb128> in fact it might be an xorg bug
[10:08] <seb128> jibel, it would help to have debug symbols for swrast_dri.so
[10:08] <seb128> jibel, you might want to try pinging mlankhorst about it (he's not on this channel)
[10:09] <jibel> seb128, okay, it is difficult to add debug symbol in this environment but I'll try. I'll ping mlankhorst when he is online. thanks
[10:10] <seb128> jibel, he should be online, he's based in .nl
[10:10] <seb128> he's just part of the xorg team and not hanging out on the unity channel
[10:10] <seb128> you can try e.g #ubuntu-desktop though
[10:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you there?
[10:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[10:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: a bit confused about something you added to qml/Dash/Previews/Preview.qml
[10:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hit me
[10:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: bah, ignore me, can't read :D
[10:52] <tsdgeos> sorted
[10:52] <tsdgeos> somehow was confused into row.column and widgetColumnCount
[10:53] <tsdgeos> thinking it was setting the value to itself
[10:53] <tsdgeos> but then row.column is not the rows :D
[10:53] <tsdgeos> but the columns
[10:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: mhr3_: so here i'm doing the fake unity scopes ng clases for the tests and i was wondering if we could somehow re-use the real classes instead of me having to copy&paste&adapt them and then having to follow the changes everything they happen
[10:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, we should abstract the classes to lp:unity-api, and base our mocks on that, only overriding what's needed
[10:56] <tsdgeos> but that would mean installing the headers and some kind of C++ library we would use from the tests in unity8
[10:56] <tsdgeos> i mean for now it's fine since i hope it's api is not going to change much
[10:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I'm not sure we should get anything more than just interfaces from the real plugin
[10:57] <tsdgeos> but i just realized that the classes i did two weeks ago for scopes-ng-tests are now changed again :D
[10:57] <tsdgeos> Saviq: rolenames
[10:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes, that too
[10:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, /me considers part of interface
[10:57] <tsdgeos> ok :)
[10:58] <tsdgeos> but yeah now i was having preview() return a PreviewModel and now it's returning a PreviewStack
[10:58] <tsdgeos> i think that would be "enough-ish" if we could at least share this kind of things
[10:58] <mhr3_> everything that qml uses is an interface, and the idea was that the interface would be defined in unity-api
[10:59] <mhr3_> but it would be nice to have some tests magic that creates a model with predefined roles and content
[10:59] <tsdgeos> yeah ;)
[10:59] <tsdgeos> it's what i'm doing anyway
[10:59] <mhr3_> surely not only scopes test would benefit
[10:59] <tsdgeos> create 4 scopes with n categories and k items inside
[11:00] <tsdgeos> don't need more than that
[11:49] <Saviq> xnox, btw, if you wanted to press for py32ap, you'll need to convince didrocks to let those in
[11:50] <xnox> didrocks knows what he is doing =)
[11:50] <xnox> Saviq: as long as py32ap does land, when it can, that's fine. just don't get it caught into another regression / stop-ship =)
[12:08] <mhr3_> Saviq, where did you get that "text" widget is supposed to have title? the spec doesn't specify that
[12:08] <mhr3_> Saviq, but anyway, i'm wondering whether we shouldn't make "Description" default there
[12:26] <Saviq> mhr3_, from the visual
[12:26] <Saviq> s
[12:26] <Saviq> mhr3_, and we defaulted to empty, not sure "Description" would be common enough
[12:26] <Saviq> mhr3_, especially since it needs to come pre-translated
[12:27] <mhr3_> Saviq, well, each scope we have has Description there
[12:27] <mhr3_> Saviq, an i18n was exactly why i thought that having that as default would be a good idea
[12:28] <Saviq> mhr3_, problem is Description might not be as omnipotent in other languages
[12:33] <anpok_> Saviq: could you have a look https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/unity-mir/fix-1281075/+merge/207375 sometime.. will be back in a few hours
[12:45] <mhr3_> Saviq, can we do title-less / header-less categories yet?
[12:45] <Saviq> mhr3_, no
[12:46] <Saviq> mhr3_, would be purty simple if we had the JSON
[12:46] <mhr3_> what will blow up if i create a cat titled ""? :)
[12:46] <mhr3_> what do you mean, if we had json... don't we?
[12:47] <Saviq> mhr3_, you want it to base off of empty title?
[12:48] <Saviq> mhr3_, I thought it'd be explicit
[12:48] <mhr3_> Saviq, i meant as a temporary thing, agreed that it should be explicit
[12:53] <Saviq> mhr3_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6994212/
[12:58] <mhr3_> Saviq, didn't you want explicit?
[12:58] <mhr3_> although i'd be fine with this
[12:59] <Saviq> mhr3_, lol, that's for the temporary thing ;)
[12:59] <Saviq> mhr3_, problem with that is that empty title == non-expandable category
[12:59] <Saviq> mhr3_, so yeah, I want it explicit
[13:00] <Saviq> mhr3_, or wait, not with see more | see less
[13:05] <mhr3_> Saviq, also true, so maybe it doesn't need to be explicit afterall
[13:06] <Saviq> mhr3_, indeed
[13:06] <Saviq> mhr3_, but should wait for see more / see less then
[13:06] <Saviq> mhr3_, on that note
[13:07] <Saviq> mhr3_, we need to think how do we communicate the intent to see more
[13:07] <Saviq> mhr3_, and whether there's anything to see more
[13:09] <mhr3_> Saviq, is that 14.04 thing?
[13:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, you tell me, from our PoV it's easy
[13:10] <mhr3_> for now we'll just give you result set and you can see more while you don't display everything
[13:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, you mean just see more without querying the scope?
[13:10] <Saviq> mhr3_, yeah, that we'll do
[13:10] <mhr3_> i think that's good enough for 14.04
[13:11] <mhr3_> as for actual paging
[13:11] <mhr3_> need to think that through
[13:11] <Saviq> mhr3_, ok
[13:11] <mhr3_> not exactly simple since scopes are stateless
[13:11] <Saviq> mhr3_, sure
[13:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so, how about scrapping LimitProxyModel?
[13:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and relying on the renderers? it's actually not related to delegateRange at all, since we'll just make the *View yay-high, so the rest will just be out of the view, so not created
[13:13] <Saviq> brb
[13:47] <dandrader> mzanetti, needing your review https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/disableDDAWhileDragging/+merge/207965
[13:48] <mzanetti> dandrader: ack
[13:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: might work
[14:22] <mzanetti> dandrader: approved. looks good. There's a test failure. Seems flaky AP, I've retriggered the job
[14:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, ok, thanks!
[14:30] <mzanetti> karni: that was quick :)
[14:30] <Saviq> @unity: standup
[14:30] <Saviq> kgunn, ↑
[14:30] <karni> mzanetti: hahahah well.. I decided changing on canonical irc was sufficient ;)
[14:39] <mzanetti> Saviq: any ETA on the new scopes being ready to be merged? Sounded like its gonna be soon too
[14:41]  * mterry adds notes to doc
[14:41] <mterry> sorry for missing
[14:41] <mzanetti> In any case, I'll polish/add some tests for the right edge stuff today and tomorrow morning we can figure a plan on how to get stuff merged.
[14:43] <mhr3> Saviq, ideas how to translate card background into mascot-only background in the preview?
[14:44] <mhr3> Saviq, or well... should header widget support something like "mascot-background" attribute?
[14:44] <mhr3> Saviq, i'm asking cause i just previewed TWC scope
[14:45] <davidcalle> mhr3, +1
[14:45] <elopio> can I get a review here, please?
[14:45] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/fake_app_from_toolkit/+merge/208002
[14:46] <elopio> oh, no, wait, the scroll branch hasn't landed yet.
[14:46] <elopio> I saw it, I suppose I was confused.
[14:46] <Saviq> mhr3, not sure what you're telling me? have an image?
[14:48] <mhr3> Saviq, have working screenshoting in mir? :)
[14:48] <mhr3> Saviq, just preview twc scope
[14:48] <Saviq> mhr3, rm ~/.display-mir; reboot; lxc-console -nandroid -t0; screencap foo.png
[14:48] <Saviq> mhr3, don't have mwc scopes on my devices any more :0
[14:49] <mhr3> Saviq, it's not mwc scope, it's regular server one
[14:49] <mhr3> you'll get it on desktop too
[14:49] <Saviq> mhr3, ah ok
[14:49] <mhr3> oh... desktop
[14:49] <mhr3> shouldn't be too hard to screenshot that
[14:50] <Saviq> lol
[14:50] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, not here on desktop for some reason
[14:51] <mhr3> Saviq, http://imgur.com/b4MCd7D
[14:51] <mhr3> Saviq, missing blue background on the icon
[14:51] <Saviq> mhr3, weeell, the icon is missing the background, not the mascot :P
[14:52] <mhr3> Saviq, that's why i'm suggesting mascot-background
[14:52] <Saviq> mhr3, comment on the spec please
[14:52] <mhr3> ok
[14:53] <Saviq> mhr3, but yeah, if we support card-background, it should map into the preview, too, probably
[14:53] <mhr3> Saviq, right, i just don't want to map it completely, so that the entire header would be colorized
[14:54] <Saviq> mhr3, no no, of course
[14:54] <Saviq> mhr3, it'd be the whole preview (as the whole card is) ;)
[14:54] <mhr3> heh
[14:57] <mhr3> Saviq, btw who's going to respond to these comments now? :/
[15:07] <Saviq> mhr3, I am
[15:07] <mhr3> Saviq, ah, cool, don't forget to reply to those comments about the table widget ;)
[15:07] <Saviq> ;)
[15:14] <elopio> ok, now I'm ready for a review:
[15:14] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/fake_app_from_toolkit/+merge/208002
[15:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you do ↑, I thought it could help with the click issue
[15:44] <tsdgeos>  The diff has been truncated for viewing.
[15:44] <tsdgeos> sorry :D
[15:45] <davidcalle> Saviq, is there a renderer that allows variable height cards?
[15:51] <tsdgeos> Ran 60 tests in 138.775s
[15:51] <tsdgeos> FAILED (failures=58)
[15:52] <tsdgeos> autopilot is a bit broken in new-scopes :D
[15:58] <Saviq> davidcalle, vertical journal, but it's not integrated yet
[15:58] <Saviq> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes-vj-integration/+merge/201932
[15:58] <davidcalle> Saviq, thanks
[16:14] <achiang> davmor2: mhr3: hi, i'm here
[16:15] <mhr3> achiang, ETIMEDOUT
[16:19] <davmor2> achiang: awesome I think it was ricmm that wanted to talk to you.  I think we have a potential fix for the images performance issues tested with 10 apps open but ricmm can give you more details
[16:24]  * tsdgeos hates autopilot tests, they are ultra broken in new-scopes :'(
[16:28] <Saviq> elopio, can you help tsdgeos on the status of that ↑?
[16:29] <Saviq> elopio, i.e. we should update the emulators for new-scopes, right? /me recalls a branch floating around, not sure...
[16:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: oh, didn't know someone he was trying to make them work, i was trying to get myself to convince to start doing that
[16:29] <tsdgeos> Saviq: will you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/new-scopes-cleanup/+merge/207921 ?
[16:30] <tsdgeos> it contains the removal of all files we don't need and makes qmluitests pass for me
[16:31] <elopio> tsdgeos, Saviq: I can help, that's why I'm here.
[16:31] <elopio> I'm in a meeting, will finish in 45 minutes. tsdgeos, will you still be around?
[16:31] <tsdgeos> good stuff :)
[16:31] <tsdgeos> wasn't planning to
[16:32] <tsdgeos> but i can stay a bit longer
[16:32] <tsdgeos> if you want to talk about it
[16:48] <elopio> tsdgeos: if you have to leave, send me an email with what you have done. So I'll continue on my evening, and we sync again tomorrow.
[16:56] <tsdgeos> elopio: ok, will do that
[17:35] <Saviq> ah mzanetti forgot to let you know
[17:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, had to revert the running apps aspect, it wasn't working well, some Changed signals were not emitted
[17:36] <Saviq> I remember I had some issues like that with Qt.size at some point
[17:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok. no prob. seems to work well in my branches (I don't use QSize like that in there)
[17:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, but you'll need to for rotation, won't you?
[17:56] <mzanetti> don't think so... as images come from the image provider directly.
[17:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, right
[17:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, but they'd have to be rotated in the provider then?
[17:56] <mzanetti> yep
[17:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, ok that works
[18:21] <mhr3> Saviq, something's super broken with unity on my device
[18:21] <Saviq> mhr3, ?
[18:21] <mhr3> Saviq, when i swipe left/right between scopes it doesn't work from most categories
[18:21] <mhr3> ever seen that?
[18:21] <Saviq> mhr3, no
[18:22] <Saviq> mhr3, meaning like the renderer would take over the events?
[18:22] <mhr3> Saviq, plus carousels don't scroll
[18:22] <Saviq> mhr3, something got pretty broken your side
[18:22] <Saviq> mhr3, that mwc?
[18:22] <mhr3> yep
[18:23] <mhr3> Saviq, wanna see it? it's super weird
[18:23] <Saviq> mhr3, /me flashes mwc
[18:23] <mhr3> it was working fine for a long time
[18:24] <mhr3> now after a couple of hours it's like this
[18:24] <Saviq> mhr3, what device?
[18:25] <mhr3> mako
[18:26] <mhr3> Saviq, ah, got pattern - swipes/scrolling work fine from the first category, but not the rest
[18:28] <mhr3> and maybe not really
[18:29] <mhr3> wow..
[18:31] <mhr3> Saviq, maybe it's actually a MouseArea covering the bottom ~half of the screen that makes everything un-interactive
[18:31] <mhr3> rings a bell?
[18:31] <Saviq> mhr3, that sounds like OSK
[18:31] <Saviq> mhr3, either maliit died
[18:31] <Saviq> mhr3, or the connection between OSK and shell
[18:32] <mhr3> let me check if it's alive
[18:32] <Saviq> mhr3, still worth a bug
[18:32] <mhr3> maliit-server?
[18:32] <mhr3> that one's running
[18:33] <mhr3> and osk does appear
[18:33] <mhr3> and disappear
[18:35] <mhr3> Saviq, and now started an app and can't get from it cause the edges don't work
[18:35] <mhr3> eh, time for reboot
[18:41] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, there's a socket connection in unity8 to maliit-server that gives up after some time
[18:41] <Saviq> mhr3, or to ubuntu-keyboard, actually
[18:41] <Saviq> something of this sort must've failed
[19:33] <dandrader> Saviq, there's the OSKController item from unity-mir that puts a MouseArea to block events intended to the OSK from reaching items in unity8. So it might be that the OSKController thinks the OSK is up when it's not
[19:33] <dandrader> that would cause this bug
[19:34] <dandrader> @ that discussion you were having with mhr3 an hour ago :)
[19:37] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, that's what I meant
[19:37] <Saviq> dandrader, maybe something didn't reach IRC?


[15:35] <cskinfill> i hope this is the right place to ask this, does upstart provide a stanza (or something else) to set the UID the process should run as?  Or does the job's binary just need to handle this?
[15:40] <ion> Not yet, it’s in TODO.
[15:40] <ion> Use su or equivalent for now.
[15:41] <cskinfill> ok thanks
[15:42] <cskinfill> I googled all over and couldn't find anything . . . seems like a perfect feature for upstart to have


[07:58] <dsv> i m new to xubuntu 16.04. and i have a question,how to instal playonlinux?
[13:01] <xubuntu04i> If I am using the live CD, and want to install with LVM-LUKS on the SECOND harddrive (but leave the first harddrive with another OS on it), how do I go about doing that?
[14:30] <craigbass76> I've got my panels all laid out like I want on my laptop. What's the best way to get them over to my desktop's fresh xubuntu install?
[14:30] <craigbass76> both are 16.04
[14:32] <diogenes_> craigbass76, copy /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4/panel to your new machine's /home/yourusername/.config/
[14:33] <craigbass76> Heh... I've been using Ubuntu since Dapper, and STILL forget to install vim until I use vi the first time.
[14:43] <craigbass76> Well, that didn't work. All I saw in my laptops panel directory were references to buttons. Seems as though I should have a directory for each panel, no?
[14:44] <diogenes_> try moving the entire folder /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4 to your target machine
[14:45] <craigbass76> I will -- I want to log in and out of XFCE clean on that machine first I think -- I tried moving the whole shooting match yesterday and got an error when trying to get into XFCE on the Desktop
[14:58] <craigbass76> diogenes_, Mucho betterer. I think I was still logged into XFCE on the laptop last time I tried copying and failed. That or it was because xubuntu-desktop package had a fight with Mint. I'm runnign straight xub now.
[14:59] <diogenes_> so what is the result?
[14:59] <craigbass76> I'm good to go
[14:59] <diogenes_> ok
[15:00] <craigbass76> Except for not having some of the programs installed yet that links point to (vivaldi, geany, etc) but they're there at least and will start working in a few minutes
[15:01] <craigbass76> With the last copy, I was getting some "Your last session didn't shut down properly" or something error, and I'm not sure which of the two scenarios caused it.
[15:40] <Funky_Boris> anybody here ?
[15:40] <Funky_Boris> I am having problems installing Xubuntu 16.04.3 on a laptop
[15:41] <Funky_Boris> it has that Intel fake RAID, which seems to be ubuntu compatible
[15:42] <Funky_Boris> (fake)raid0 is detected as /dev/mapper/isw_ ....
[15:42] <Funky_Boris> and the installer is able to write to it
[15:42] <Funky_Boris> however, the install comes to a halt when it tries to install the boot loader
[15:42] <Funky_Boris> for some reason it defaults to trying to install the boot loader to /dev/sda which fails
[15:43] <Funky_Boris> I then get prompted to choose another drive to install the boot loader to, but I am unable to continue from this dialouge box, no matter what I do
[15:44] <Funky_Boris> I am given the option to select a drive, continue without boot loader or to abort the installation
[15:44] <Funky_Boris> none of the above will let me continue
[15:44] <Funky_Boris> any ideas ?
[15:47] <Funky_Boris> I could ditch the fakeraid and do software raid
[15:47] <Funky_Boris> but I cannot find the alternate install image that lets me skip the GUI installer and use the text based one
[15:47] <Funky_Boris> so apparently no software raid for me
[15:48] <Funky_Boris> this is the legacy bios installer btw
[15:48] <Funky_Boris> the EFI installer was able to finish, but then the machine was unable to boot from the install
[15:49] <krytarik> !mini.iso | Funky_Boris
[15:50] <Funky_Boris> krytarik: is that also for Xubuntu or will it only get me Ubuntu ?
[15:51] <krytarik> You can install any DE you want from there.
[15:51] <Funky_Boris> right
[15:52] <Funky_Boris> should I report somewhere that the installer defaults to wanting to install the boot loader to /dev/sda regardless of where the rest of the installer has been asked to install things ?
[15:52] <Funky_Boris> should I report that once boot loader install fails, the resulting dialouge box traps you ?
[15:53] <Funky_Boris> It seems that the 2nd option (to manually install boot loader) would have worked for me
[15:53] <Funky_Boris> or the first, if it had indeed worked
[15:54] <Funky_Boris> or is it all just features, not bugs? :)
[15:55] <Funky_Boris> I have tried both xubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso and 04.3 btw
[15:57] <krytarik> Yeah, I think you've hit the limit of what the graphical installer is able to provide.
[15:58] <Funky_Boris> perhaps
[15:58] <Funky_Boris> but I should be able to get past the dialouge from failing the boot loader write somehow, right ?
[15:58] <Funky_Boris> I am stuck there, regardless of the option I choose
[15:59] <Funky_Boris> and does it make sense for the installer to _always_ try to install the boot loader to /dev/sda ?
[15:59] <Funky_Boris> regardless of which devices are present ?
[18:22] <mark76> Does anyone know what to do when this happens at bootup "Volume Group "Xubuntu-vg" not found"?
[18:26] <well_laid_lawn> mark76:  is this on a live cd ?
[18:35] <mark76> No, normal installed system well_laid_lawn
[18:35] <well_laid_lawn> mark76:  see if this helps https://askubuntu.com/questions/551446/cant-find-lvm-root-dropped-back-to-initramfs
[18:35] <well_laid_lawn> !lvm
[18:36] <mark76> I'll check em out later


[06:52] <bryce> sforshee, heya bug #1166442 has been fixed by a patch in linus' tree posted last week.  I stuck the patch on the bug report.  I've verified it on my samsung laptop backported to the 3.5 kernel; issue affects pretty much all recent samsung laptops I gather.
[06:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1166442 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "Elantech clickpad/touchpad lacks multitouch features." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166442
[07:19] <ppisati> indicators today are in the correct position
[07:19] <ppisati> but when i click on the volume one, nothing pops up
[07:19] <ppisati> so i can't change the volume level
[07:20] <smb> Youre lucky sw update worked
[07:20] <ppisati> or any other audio-related thing
[07:20] <ppisati> :(
[07:23] <ppisati> actually NO indicators work today :(
[07:23]  * ppisati -> reboot
[07:33]  * apw yawns
[07:38]  * smb waits on RAOF mentioning some sort of bees
[07:39]  * apw realises he isn't on irc :) [sic] him away
[07:39] <apw> wtf
[07:40] <apw> that is like old ...
[07:40] <apw> the bees have takne him away
[07:40] <smb> giant bees
[07:41] <cking> smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065434
[07:41] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1065434 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) ""unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1" after LXC container shutdown" [High,Fix released]
[07:41] <smb> apw, and yous is not on mumble (again). Quick finish breakfast and get dressed before the doorbell rings
[07:42] <smb> cking, Ah, thanks... now lets see
[07:43] <cking> smb, I recall now it was a pain to test because it needed many multiple iterations before I found a way to reproduce it reliably
[07:43] <smb> cking, Yeah, the new one mentions "after 6000 or so launches and teardowns..."
[07:44] <smb> bug 1196295
[07:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1196295 in lxc (Ubuntu) "lxc-start enters uninterruptible sleep" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196295
[07:44] <cking> urgh
[07:46] <cking> hrm, very similar looking, but I do wonder if it's a different issue, I guess it may be, hard to tell
[07:48] <smb> Feels a bit like something that happens after many iterations which then prevents proper cleanup... but really hard to tell
[07:48] <cking> 6000+ iterations is a killer to bisect with
[07:50] <smb> And even if you could in theory bisect, my experience with network changes is that they make ones life of bisecting even harder
[07:50] <cking> double urgh
[07:53] <apw> smb, or lots of them
[07:53] <apw> smb, nope not expecting any builders today, thankfully
[07:54] <smb> apw, The fun with the doorbell is that it does even ring when you are not *expecting* it to
[07:54] <smb> :)
[07:54] <smb> And yes, lots of changes and lots of dependencies between
[07:55] <apw> as long as they are bringing fun things for me, that is fine
[07:55] <smb> Yeah, the bills they just put into the letter box (strangely)
[08:04]  * smb is glad to see that the software-center maintains a consistent level of quality
[08:04] <RAOF> Bumblebees!
[08:44] <ppisati> brb
[08:44] <apw> RAOF, swarms of uber-bumble-bees
[10:45]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[11:48] <psivaa> jdstrand: thanks for the fix for bug 1202203, appears to solve the issue. 20+ runs did not see the bug with today's images.
[11:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202203 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Connection requests to saucy server VMs from a hosts fail after fresh preseeded VM installs" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202203
[12:38] <nessita> hello. Is there anyone available to help me with a potential kernel sound bug? LP: #1201528
[12:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201528 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[Realtek ALC889] - Audio Playback Unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201528
[12:50] <rtg> nessita, you might try restarting pulseaudio when it gets in that state, e.g., http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7130/2
[12:50] <nessita> rtg, yeah, but it does not solve it
[12:51] <nessita> rtg, the sound gets "dead", and nothing fixes it but a restart
[12:51] <rtg> nessita, the fact that audio output lasts for many minutes before stopping kind of indicates that its a pulse issue. diwic might be able to offer some thoughts.
[12:52] <nessita> rtg, happy to provide any log that could be useful -- currently I can not do any meeting in this computer, all mumble/skype/hangouts will "break"
[12:52] <nessita> rtg, I was suggested by the support team that this could be a buffering issue
[12:53] <rtg> nessita, possibly, but I see no indication in your logs that its a kernel problem. without that there isn't much to go on.
[12:53] <diwic> nessita, this is worth trying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/PositionReporting
[12:54] <nessita> diwic, looking
[12:57] <nessita> trying with "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1" and rebooting, brb
[13:08] <nessita> diwic, hello, I'm back, So, audio worked for a while and stopped working again. I think I noticed the following pattern:
[13:09] <nessita> if I adjust volume levels using pavucontrol, it usually ork
[13:09] <nessita> works*
[13:09] <nessita> but if I use the control dialog below the sound icon in the indicator menu, it breaks immediatly
[13:10] <diwic> nessita, hmm
[13:11] <nessita> diwic, I alos note that the device for inout gets constantly reset to the S/PDIF option: I keep chooise the "regular" one (Front Microphone), but every time I close and open the volume control app, the input device is set to the S/PDIF one
[13:11] <nessita> also*
[13:12] <nessita> diwic, want me to try with "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2" noe?
[13:12] <nessita> now*
[13:12] <nessita> puf, I'm typing pretty bad today
[13:13] <diwic> nessita, what have you tried so far? both "position_fix=1", "position_fix=2" and "tsched=0" is worth a try
[13:13] <diwic> (and a reboot between each one)
[13:14] <nessita> diwic, right, so far only tried the first one, but I wanted to mention the "pattern" (audio does not break until I open the app in the sound indicator, and input device gets "reset")
[13:14] <nessita> diwic, will try the other two
[13:14]  * nessita reboots
[13:27] <nessita> diwic, hello again! well, seems like position_fix=2 fixed it (well, at least I tried all I tried before and the audio playblack kept working)
[13:28] <nessita> will comment on the bug
[13:29] <diwic> nessita, all right, interesting
[13:30] <nessita> diwic, FYI, the app below the sound indicator keeps "resetting" the input device to the S/PDIF one, but changing it to the Front microphone allows me to use the mic (otherwise mic does not work)
[13:31] <diwic> nessita, you mean the gnome sound settings?
[13:32] <nessita> diwic, the app title is "Sound", but I think is that, yes
[13:32] <nessita> is the section under All settings -> Sound
[13:53] <nessita> diwic, ping again, when you can. So, audio died, not sure when.
[13:54] <nessita> diwic, any more ideas what can I try?
[13:55] <diwic> nessita, well, the tsched=0 one. Remove the nonworking position_fix first
[13:56] <nessita> diwic, ack, will do
[14:00] <nessita> diwic, just to be sure, the line I have in /etc/pulse/default.pa is "load-module module-udev-detect use_ucm=0"
[14:00] <nessita> (the wiki says "load-module module-udev-detect" without the use_ucm=0)
[14:01] <diwic> nessita, you can keep the use_ucm=0 too, it doesn't matter much
[14:01] <nessita> ack
[14:01] <diwic> for your hardware
[14:01] <nessita> ok, so, reverted options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2 and added the tsched=0, rebooting
[14:09] <rtg> ppisati, can you install https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4806723 on calxeda as a test ?
[14:09] <ppisati> rtg: i'll do
[14:11] <nessita> diwic, so far working, will report back if audio playback stops working
[14:11] <diwic> ok
[14:12] <diwic> nessita, you're using standard stereo profile, right? Nothing surround related?
[14:13] <nessita> diwic, standard stereo setup, and in particular nothing changed in my setup since precise (where audio worked with no glitches)
[14:13] <nessita> diwic, not sure if it's worth noting that the "only" thing that breaks is audio playback, mic keeps working without issues (even if I can not hear anything)
[14:13] <diwic> ok
[14:14] <diwic> nessita, yeah, every time we try to improve the stack for some set of users, it's easy to break for another, as we don't have the ability to test > 1000 machines every time something is changed
[14:15] <rtg> apw, overlayfs is the only thing standing between me and switching over to 3.11-rc2 in the archive. Is that readdir issue still on your todo list ?
[14:15] <apw> rtg, yes on todays indeed
[14:15] <rtg> or, are you gonna make _me_ learn it ?
[14:15] <apw> heh no, i wouldn't do that
[14:16] <rtg> prolly wouldn't hurt
[14:16] <rtg> well, it would _hurt_ a lot, but I should learn it
[14:17] <apw> rtg, next time
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.075144] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.082461] VFS: Cannot open root device "UUID=608a7f64-20e8-400f-97b0-fb34d06bf327" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.092984] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
[14:23] <ppisati> rtg: ^
[14:23] <ppisati> rtg: uhmm....
[14:24] <rtg> ppisati, FIIK
[14:24] <ppisati> rtg: that's weird
[14:24] <ppisati> rtg: it's the same node as yesterday
[14:25] <ppisati> rtg: so that UUID should be valid
[14:25] <rtg> ppisati, missing device driver ? It _is_ a completely different kerenel version
[14:25] <ppisati> rtg: well, there're two weird things:
[14:26] <ppisati> 1) [    3.035132] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[14:26] <ppisati> 2) the uuid thing
[14:26] <ppisati> actually 2 could be a consequence of 1
[14:26] <rtg> ppisati, as I am totally distracted by some other issues, I'll leave this problem in your capable hands.
[14:27] <rtg> :)
[14:27] <ppisati> rtg: ack
[14:27] <rtg> at least the tool chain seems functional
[14:35] <apw> rtg, just pushed a rules change to master-next and unstable to make a new udeb for use in the seeds
[14:36] <rtg> apw, did you catch the unstable rebase I pushed just a few minutes ago ?
[14:36] <apw> yeah i fetched 10s before
[14:36] <rtg> apw, cool
[14:36] <apw> and when i pushed it was linear
[14:37] <apw> infinity, i've commited that udeb change for saucy both ... for whenever we upload that
[14:38] <infinity> apw: Feel the urge to push that to Ben's branch too?
[14:38] <apw> infinity, will do in a bit indeed
[14:38] <infinity> (If not, I'll talk to him about it $later)
[14:56] <hallyn> apw: hey - have you used git-send-email through smtp.canonical.com recently?  I thought it used to work (with the expected obvious arguments) but i'ts failing me right now...  wondering if htere are any new tips and tricks
[14:57] <apw> hallyn, i think i did it a couple of days ago, nothing different then that i know of
[14:57] <hallyn> hm, ok.  actually maybe this is a bug in the saucy git-send-email.  it also won't honor --smtp-debug
[14:57] <apw> hallyn, oh, no i have switched to gmail
[14:57] <hallyn> just keeps telling me to use --smtp-debug :)
[14:58] <hallyn> oh, right.
[14:58] <hallyn> i've been thinking maybe i'll give in and do that.
[14:58] <hallyn> though i figure they'll just disable imaps access soon now that jabber and rss are gone :)
[14:59] <apw> i think we are paying for it, so they had better not
[14:59] <hallyn> all right - thanks.  i guess i'll just send by hand and get on with actual work
[15:03] <hallyn> ah - was specifying port 587 without thinking - should be 465 (or just unspecified)
[15:08] <rtg> apw, infinity: so you're gonna use linux-udebs-generic in the debian installer ?
[15:09] <apw> rtg, in the seeds
[15:14] <apw> rtg, so a simple fix for overlayfs for the moment might be to revert the removal of readdir
[15:15] <apw> and then we can work on the replacement or wait for it from upstream overlayfs if it is coming
[15:15] <apw> anyhow i am working on it
[15:16] <nessita> diwic, so, bad news. Audio playback no longer works. More info: as per the debugging I was first requested in the bug, I had set pulseaudio to autospawn = no, so I could gather more verbose logging (which is attached to the bug). Noticing that the latest attempt may have worked, I resetted that setting (ie, I removed the .pulse/client.conf) and restarted the computer. Now, opening more than one thing that access pulseaudio (mplay
[15:16] <nessita> diwic, another debugging info is that now, mplayer can not play a video, it gets absolutely blocked
[15:17] <nessita> (ie, the first video frame appears and then nothing else happens)
[15:17] <diwic> nessita, okay. I'm afraid I don't have time to help you right now, and I don't have any good ideas either.
[15:17] <nessita> diwic, do you think that moving to saucy could fix this?
[15:18] <diwic> nessita, you could also try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[15:18] <rtg> apw, is the removal atomic ? I thought it touched a bunch of file system drivers,
[15:18] <diwic> nessita, that would be even better to try than saucy
[15:18] <apw> rtg, he added the new interface, moved everything over to the new one, and removed the old
[15:18] <apw> so in theory we could revert the last bit and be ok for now, maybe
[15:18] <apw> i'll have a play with it
[15:18] <rtg> ok
[15:19] <apw> ahh no he may have removed the infrastructure we use as welll ... hmmm well see
[15:19] <nessita> diwic, will try that, thanks.
[15:20] <nessita> diwic, shall I remove the "load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0" tweak?
[15:20] <diwic> nessita, yes, remove it
[15:20] <nessita> ack
[15:37] <nessita> diwic, so, if you have more ideas what else could I try, I will appreciate those, since even after updating dkms my audio playback dies. I know you mentioned you can't help me debug now, but perhaps you can indicate another person that could help or guide me?
[15:38] <nessita> I have pulseaudio set to be verbose (at system level), I keep getting these 3 lines in syslog:
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37  pulseaudio[2636]: last message repeated 10 times
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37 dali pulseaudio[2636]: [alsa-sink] ratelimit.c: 15 events suppressed
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37 dali pulseaudio[2636]: [alsa-sink] alsa-sink.c: Underrun!
[15:39] <diwic> nessita, yeah, the "Underrun!" is unusual actually
[15:40] <diwic> nessita, does it happen only with low latency - sound settings, mumble, skype etc, if you only use say some music player, does it still crash?
[15:40] <nessita> diwic, I use sonata which is a GUI client for mpd, the music server. I never got those to work since I updated to raring
[15:40] <ppisati> rtg: what's happended to linux-lts-raring - 3.8.0-27.40~precise2? i see there's a new one in the pipe (~precise3), any chance i can get the previous one?
[15:41] <diwic> nessita, I wonder if the "Underrun!" is due to wrong position reports or system scheduling issues
[15:41] <nessita> diwic, I even tried uninstalling those two (sonata and mpd), and using rhythmbox, but audio playback eventually dies no matter what
[15:41] <rtg> ppisati, infinity re-uploaded to use an orig tarball. dunno if the original still exists.
[15:41] <diwic> nessita, hmm, okay
[15:42] <diwic> nessita, for further troubleshooting I guess you would need a special pulseaudio build with DEBUG_TIMING on
[15:42] <nessita> diwic, I'm not sure about "wrong position reports or system scheduling issues", I don't know what those mean :-)
[15:43] <nessita> happy to try saucy this weekend, though I see pulseaudio version (mayor) has not changed
[15:48] <diwic> nessita, we have PA 4.0 in a PPA, but I doubt that would make a difference
[15:49] <diwic> nessita, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/pulse-testing <-- PA 4.0 is here, and you're welcome to test it, but I doubt it'll help
[15:49] <nessita> diwic, your doubts makes me doubtful :-)
[15:49] <nessita> diwic, not sure if this helps, but is the output of pulseaudio log in syslog when I try to play a video (audio playback does not work and video speed is off, frames are shown too fast, something like 1.5x) https://pastebin.canonical.com/94733/
[15:50] <nessita> without understanding the output that much, lines that call my attention are "Scheduling delay of 6.33ms, you might want to investigate this to improve latency..."
[15:50] <nessita> "Have to rewind 65276 bytes on render memblockq"
[15:54] <diwic> nessita, yeah, scheduling messages with >= 20 ms is not optimal, I saw you had one of those, but not enough to cause constant problems
[15:55] <nessita> diwic, since you're busy, in order to stop interrrupting you, is there someone else I can ping for debugging further?
[15:57] <diwic> nessita, not really...unfortunately
[15:59] <nessita> diwic, would it be better if I ping you again next week? I kind of need audio to work (meetings and all)
[16:01] <diwic> nessita, what time zone are you in?
[16:01] <nessita> diwic, GMT-3 (is 1pm for me now(
[16:01] <nessita> ))
[16:02] <diwic> nessita, hmm, that sounds like Brazil or something
[16:02] <nessita> diwic, yeah, Argentina
[16:03] <diwic> nessita, anyway, yeah, try pinging me on Monday. You could try TheMuso too, but he's in Australia so I doubt you and him will find a time that works for you both
[16:04] <nessita> diwic, will do, thanks for your time today
[16:05]  * nessita reboots one more time
[16:06] <diwic> nessita, yw
[16:19] <nessita> diwic, one more interrupt (last one!). When rebooting the computer (first reboot since I installed the new dkms), computer will not shutdown, had to sysrq+b to have it rebooting. Error shown in screen was http://ubuntuone.com/5crDl5mdauSvTF0BjnQrQk
[16:21]  * apw breaks out a beer
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, t
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, t
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, this is going to take some porting me thinks, now do remember if aufs is working that will be used anyhow, so we don't need overlayfs per-se.  so you might upload it to the PPA so that the dkms people can start their grinding
[16:33] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg-afk, do you think this one should be hot listed: bug 1202887
[16:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202887 in linux-manta (Ubuntu) "'binder: RLIMIT_NICE not set' when using binder from the ubuntu side" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202887
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$ uname -a
[16:36] <ppisati> Linux c16 3.10.0-4-generic #13~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 18 23:37:03 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$ lsb_release -a
[16:36] <ppisati> No LSB modules are available.
[16:36] <ppisati> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[16:36] <ppisati> Description:    Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[16:36] <ppisati> Release:        12.04
[16:36] <ppisati> Codename:       precise
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: ^
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: the new vmlinuz was too big and was overwriting part of initrd (that resulted in garbage)
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: shuffling the things around, made it boot
[16:37] <ppisati> rtg-afk: but i still need to tweak it to make it automatic now
[16:40]  * ppisati -> EOW
[18:02] <rtg> jsalisbury, I'll have a look at bug #1202887. No need to hot list it.
[18:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202887 in linux-manta (Ubuntu) "'binder: RLIMIT_NICE not set' when using binder from the ubuntu side" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202887
[18:03] <jsalisbury> rtg, thanks
[19:42] <apw> jsalisbury, we should keep an eye yes
[19:43] <rtg_> apw, do you understand that bug ? 'cause I'm not seeing the problem.
[19:44] <rtg_> on the other hand, nice seems unreasonably complicated.
[20:09] <rsalveti> rtg: apw: bug 1203173, in case you guys got a maguro as well
[20:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1203173 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] broadcom dongle host driver sometimes fails to load the correct mac address" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203173


 I'm thinking of getting a gear s3 frontier to replace my Pebble. Any reasons why an android wear is better then samsung tenzin OS for watches
 Aside from the massive number of zero day exploits, Android Wear has a lot more applications


[02:31] <H_A_N_D_S_O_M_E> hi
[05:52] <sakhi> Morning
[07:36] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:22] <psydroid> spreken mensen hier Nederlands of Afrikaans of alleen Engels?
[08:40] <superfly> psydroid: We mostly speak English, since that is the language that is common to all of us.
[08:43] <psydroid> superfly, it's ok, I referred someone to this channel because he wanted to practice his Afrikaans and neither of us knows of a channel with Afrikaans as its main language
[08:47] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:47] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[08:48] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[08:48] <Kilos> you new?
[08:48] <psydroid> well, kind of but not really
[08:48] <Kilos> haha
[08:49] <Kilos> oh you not the new guy in the mailing lists
[08:50] <psydroid> I just joined this channel because a friend wanted to find a channel where he could practise his Afrikaans and this is the only South African channel I know, so I just wanted to see if there were any people in the channel first
[08:50] <psydroid> no, definitely not
[08:50] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> psydroid, we have an afrikaans channel but dunno how many guys have time to chat
[08:52] <psydroid> I'm from the Netherlands, the only thing we have in common is our time zone
[08:52] <Kilos> #ubuntu-afr
[08:54] <psydroid> Kilos, he already said to me that no one was there, so I guess he's out of luck unless you or someone else knows of another channel or server where he can practice his Afrikaans
[08:54] <psydroid> and I can only speak Dutch
[08:55] <psydroid> nor do I have the time to chat myself, really
[08:55] <Kilos> he must just remember everyone is at work so it all depends on workload
[08:55] <Kilos> your english is good
[08:55] <psydroid> okay, I will tell that to him when I see him again
[08:56] <psydroid> thanks, I've been using it for so many years that it almost feels native to me
[08:56] <Kilos> hehe
[08:58] <Kilos> maybe get him to watch some afrikaans movies if he hasnt got a bandwidth problem
[09:00] <Kilos> later
[09:23] <Kilos> psydroid, let him watch these. they are funny too
[09:23] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Uys
[12:12] <superfly> hi Guest32398
[12:12] <superfly> Looks like you'll need to choose another nick ;-)
[12:13] <Guest32398> howzit guys
[12:13] <Guest32398> so how do i change my nickname
[12:13] <superfly> well, choose one, and then  type "/nick <yournick>"
[12:14] <superfly> it'll tell you if it's already in use, and then you need to find another
[12:14] <Guest32398> "/nick <lionthinker>"
[12:16] <Lionthinker> okay
[12:16] <Lionthinker> greatings guys
[12:16] <Lionthinker> thanks for the help and welcome
[12:17] <Lionthinker> is the ubuntu loco a busy one?
[12:21] <superfly> Lionthinker: not hugely... we have stuff going on from time to time... but it is a do-ocracy. If you want something to happen, you do it
[12:29] <Lionthinker> okay found a nickname, anyone still there
[12:29] <superfly> some of us, from time to time
[12:30] <Lionthinker> so how does this work, i see you set a meeting time and people get together to discuss an agenda or topic?
[12:31] <superfly> those are our monthly meetings
[12:32] <superfly> then, as I said while you were jumping in and out, it's a do-ocracy - if you want something done, do it.
[12:33] <Lionthinker> that sounds great
[12:33] <Lionthinker> apologies about that, never used this thing before
[12:34] <Lionthinker> tell me, how effective is brainstorm?
[14:26] <Kilos> hi RazorBeamz
[14:27] <RazorBeamz> hi
[14:27] <RazorBeamz> I joined this channel in hopes of learning some Afrikaans. How much of that is spoken here?
[14:28] <Kilos> some but the guys here work most of the time so help people with ubuntu/linux problems mostly
[14:28] <Kilos> you in the netherlands
[14:29] <RazorBeamz> Nope, US
[14:29] <Kerbero> RazorBeamz: #ubuntu-afr
[14:29] <Kerbero> is dalk beter as jy afrikaans wil leer
[14:29] <RazorBeamz> Dankie
[14:30] <Kilos> oh thats nice, we had a guy earlier from the netherlands who was also looking for help learning afrikaans
[14:30] <Kerbero> Ik ben van het nederlanden en ik spreekt ook heel goed afrikaans
[14:30] <Kilos> lo Kerbero
[14:30] <Kerbero> :P
[14:30] <Kerbero> ja ek sit nou hier by die familie
[14:55] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[15:06] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[15:06] <Mezenir> how goes
[15:06] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[15:08] <Mezenir> pretty good
[15:08] <Mezenir> glad its almost weekend
[15:08] <Kilos> hehe
[15:08] <Mezenir> and theres a new patch out for skyrim
[15:09]  * nlsthzn 'd calm is severely disturbed at the moment...
[15:09] <Mezenir> to address some of those bugs ive been experiencing
[15:09] <Mezenir> so happy day :D
[15:09] <Kilos> lol hi nlsthzn
[15:09] <Kerbero> hehe
[15:09] <Kerbero> nice
[15:09] <nlsthzn> Hey uncle Kilos
[15:09] <Kerbero> Mezenir: you play it under wine?
[15:09] <Mezenir> no
[15:09] <Mezenir> i use windoze
[15:10] <Mezenir> :(
[15:10] <Kerbero> sad
[15:10] <Mezenir> yes
[15:10] <Kerbero> i also have a win7 partition
[15:10] <Mezenir> do you play it under wine ?
[15:10] <Kerbero> booted it twice only to try skyrim
[15:10] <Kerbero> i never could get it to work in wine
[15:10] <Mezenir> thats the problem
[15:11] <Mezenir> and if you did i doubt the performance would compare
[15:11] <Kerbero> it is suppose to work though
[15:11] <Kerbero> indeed
[15:11] <Mezenir> and i have maaaany games on steam
[15:11] <Mezenir> so yes
[15:11] <Mezenir> until steam goes linux
[15:11] <Mezenir> ill have that partition
[15:11] <Mezenir> doesnt mean i dont like linux more thou
[17:33] <deegee_> gud evening all o/
[17:37] <superfly> hi deegee_
[18:33] <kbmonkey> timer 20 join #ubuntu-za #crunchbang
[18:34] <kbmonkey> oops. I meant hello :)
[18:37] <Kerbero> lol
[18:37] <Kerbero> so what happens on that last mentioned channel?
[18:37] <Kilos> what you lolling at Kerbero
[18:37] <Kilos> what did i miss
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hi
[18:38] <Kerbero> not much
[18:38] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey you well?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> ha ha its a linux distro channel Kerbero
[18:38] <Kerbero> ok
[18:38] <Kilos> ha hq
[18:38] <Kerbero> boring
[18:38] <Kilos> ha as well
[18:38] <kbmonkey> hello kilos
[18:39] <Kilos> kbmonkey, did you read inna mail about  that lpi course
[18:39] <Kilos> http://wiki.lpi.org/wiki/LinuxEssentials
[18:40] <kbmonkey> I see that now Kilos. neat
[18:41] <Kilos> i dunno what it is i waiting for you and nuvo to get going
[18:43] <kbmonkey> the LPI course requirements say you need some basic experience to start with
[18:43] <kbmonkey> like using a terminal, and such things
[18:43] <Kilos> well i can boot a pc and say sudo iftop -n
[18:43] <kbmonkey> this linux essentials is for such things. the basics. I dare say Kilos you know most of that already ;)
[18:44] <Kilos> oh is that what it is about
[18:44] <Kilos> then i keep waiting for you two. i started reading it again from scratch
[18:44] <kbmonkey> you use iftop often ey?
[18:45] <Kilos> all the time
[18:45] <kbmonkey> We can improve that for you
[18:46] <Kilos> how?
[18:46] <Kilos> i got some info from inetpro and did his commands
[18:47] <kbmonkey> we can tell sudo, that when you run iftop, you don't need to enter your password each time. like a special rule, an exception
[18:48] <Kilos> ah that would be lekker
[18:48] <Kilos> i wear my keyboard out with all the passwords
[18:48] <kbmonkey> haha! yes I do the same
[18:48] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:51] <Kilos> here is what i did  echo -e "dns-resolution: no\nport-resolution: no\nline-display: one-line-both\nshow-totals: yes" >> ~/.iftoprc
[18:51] <Kilos> my iftop lost its conf file somewhere and went back to eth0
[18:51] <Kilos> he helped me find ppp0 again and gave that long command
[18:52] <kbmonkey> lost its config? eek
[18:53] <Kilos> yeah weird it just stopped showing anything and by chance i saw it show eth0 one day
[18:53] <kbmonkey> you fixed it now
[18:53] <Kilos> ya he made me um
[18:53] <Kilos> er
[18:54] <Kilos> make a new conf file
[18:54] <Kilos> and tell it to use ppp0
[18:54] <Kilos> but now its kiff again
[18:54] <kbmonkey> what does 'whereis iftop' say?
[18:54] <Kilos> anyway how are you lad
[18:55] <Kilos> sec i see
[18:55] <Kilos> /usr/sbin/iftop /usr/share/man/man8/iftop.8.gz
[18:55] <kbmonkey> ah good Kilos. I will email the list soon about studies. some fresh ideas
[18:56] <kbmonkey> you wana try to do away with your iftop password? ;)
[18:56] <Kilos> yes please
[18:56] <kbmonkey> yey :)
[18:56] <Kilos> huh?
[18:57] <Kilos> you using me as the guinnee pig
[18:57] <Kilos> forgot how to spell that
[18:57] <Kilos> Maaz, spell guinnee
[18:57] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Ginnee
[18:57] <kbmonkey> guinnea
[18:57] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[18:58]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:58] <Kilos> oh ty the bot stupid
[18:58] <kbmonkey> he uses African spelling
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:58] <Kilos> hehe
[18:58] <Kilos> lo Langjan
[18:59] <kbmonkey> hi Langjan
[19:00] <kbmonkey> no guinnee pig Kilos I do this too!
[19:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:01] <kbmonkey> okay it's easy. this line will copy your sudoers file to a backup (for safety)
[19:01] <kbmonkey> > sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening sirs
[19:01]  * kbmonkey tips hat to inetpro
[19:01] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[19:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[19:02] <inetpro> yikes, I just missed that nice cup o coffee from Maaz
[19:02] <Kilos> Cmaty
[19:02] <Kilos> eish
[19:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, who the sudoers?
[19:03] <Kilos> or what?
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan dit goed
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: very well thanks and you
[19:03] <inetpro> ?
[19:04] <Kilos> good ty inetpro
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Kilos, man sudoers says: list of which users may execute what
[19:04] <inetpro> kbmonkey: watch out for that > you gave through
[19:04] <inetpro> that is one dangerous redirector
[19:04] <kbmonkey> oh damn, thanks inetpro! just realized what will happen with that ha ha
[19:05] <Kilos> what what what
[19:05]  * Kilos shakes with fear
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: that sign will start a new file without warning
[19:06] <inetpro> can make you loose data very quickly
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my goodness, how
[19:07] <Kilos> oh will it be making backups all the time?
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: man bash and see REDIRECTION
[19:07] <kbmonkey> luckily Kilos isn't running as root... I hope not!
[19:07] <Kilos> not now now
[19:07] <kbmonkey> sudo cp /etc/sudoers /etc/sudoers.bak
[19:07] <inetpro> or man sh and see Redirections
[19:07] <Kilos> i be this guy  miles@P4:~$
[19:07] <kbmonkey> ^^ that command ^^
[19:08] <kbmonkey> it backs up your sudoers file
[19:08] <kbmonkey> then to add a new line into sudoers, run:
[19:08] <kbmonkey> sudo visudo
[19:08] <Kilos> i still dunno who the sudoers are
[19:08] <Kilos> just me here
[19:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos, sudoers is list of which users may execute what
[19:09] <kbmonkey> we can tell sudo to let you (and only you) run iftop (and only iftop) without asking the password
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: man sudoers
[19:11] <linuxhopper> or man su
[19:12] <inetpro> linuxhopper: and man su
[19:12] <inetpro> :-)
[19:12] <Kilos> is root not the superuser boss kinda guy here
[19:12] <Kilos> i have used sudo -i a coupla times to fix stuff that said i didnt have permissions
[19:13] <kbmonkey> exactly right Kilos
[19:13] <Kilos> lo linuxhopper
[19:13] <kbmonkey> so is your sudoers backed up Kilos? I'll tell you next step when it is
[19:13] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, root is the boss, but sudo allows you execute a command as somebody else and some of the permissions amongst other things are configured in the sudoers file
[19:13] <Kilos> must be i did what you said
[19:14] <linuxhopper> yes, but still need to put in password. if you enter once in a setion then you dont need to again
[19:14] <linuxhopper> root=boss su=adim
[19:14] <kbmonkey> depends linuxhopper. some setups have a timeout/expiry on authentication, and when you close the terminal session
[19:15] <kbmonkey> good Kilos! no run "sudo visudo"
[19:15] <Kilos> i have
[19:15] <kbmonkey> now be careful not to change anything!
[19:16] <kbmonkey> only Add a new line at the bottom
[19:16] <kbmonkey> add this: "miles ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/iftop"
[19:16] <Kilos> is that the blue one with /etc/sudoers at the top
[19:16] <kbmonkey> yes that sounds right
[19:17] <Kilos> with the "" goodies
[19:17] <Kilos> ?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> no
[19:17] <Kilos> no\
[19:17] <Kilos> haha
[19:17] <kbmonkey> everything inside the quotes
[19:18] <Kilos> ok now file save?
[19:18] <kbmonkey> then press Ctrl+X, and Y to save
[19:19] <Kilos> the line i added is gone after that
[19:20] <kbmonkey> gone? what do you mean gone?
[19:20] <Kilos> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:20] <Kilos> last line
[19:20] <Kilos> the added line disappeared
[19:20] <Kilos> is gone the wrong word
[19:20] <kbmonkey> must've pressed the wrong key or reverted changes
[19:21] <Kilos> disappeared missing
[19:21] <Kilos> ok sec i try again
[19:21] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what editor is that?
[19:21] <kbmonkey> pico?
[19:22] <Kilos> i dunno, isnt gedit the default here
[19:22] <kbmonkey> Xtrl+X obviously cuts the line.
[19:22] <kbmonkey> no, mine is pico L:p
[19:22] <kbmonkey> anyways, re-add that last line and save it (however your editor saves)
[19:23] <Kilos> gotta find out how first
[19:23] <Kilos> no save in file
[19:24] <Kilos> maybe i shoulda opened it with sudo gedit /etc/sudoers hey?
[19:24] <kbmonkey> what does that window title say?
[19:24] <kbmonkey> no Kilos, you have to use visudo unfortunately
[19:25] <Langjan> Hi kilos and kbmonkey, are you well?
[19:25] <Kilos> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[19:25] <kbmonkey> told you ;)
[19:25] <Kilos> i did that command to get that blue page
[19:25] <Kilos> yip ty Langjan and you?
[19:25] <kbmonkey> good Langjan :]
[19:26] <kbmonkey> lol Kilos! all we want to do is add one new line of text :D
[19:26] <Kilos> ya i can add it but cannot save it
[19:26] <kbmonkey> run visudo again. what does that window title say? and what does the first line inside the window say?
[19:28] <Kilos> eish it tells me its busy try again later
[19:28] <Kilos> grrr
[19:28] <kbmonkey> your pc is haunted!
[19:28] <kbmonkey> he he
[19:29] <Kilos> the first line was /etc/visudolol
[19:30] <Kilos> gonna have to reboot the swine
[19:30] <Kilos> got everything closed but it still says its busy
[19:31] <Kilos> brb
[19:33]  * inetpro falling asleep
[19:33] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:33] <Kilos> night inetpro
[19:33] <Kilos> sleep lekker
[19:34] <Kilos> kbmonkey, must i do visudo from root
[19:34] <kbmonkey> nite :)
[19:34] <linuxhopper> cant you just vi
[19:35] <Kilos> i try
[19:35] <kbmonkey> no, sudoers requires you to use the visudo command
[19:35] <kbmonkey> it's safer
[19:35] <linuxhopper> ok i just vi or vim
[19:35] <Kilos> so its sudo visudo?
[19:36] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos, run sudo visudo
[19:36] <kbmonkey> sudo and visudo are two different commands
[19:36] <kbmonkey> visudo is a program to edit the sudoers file
[19:36] <Kilos> first line
[19:36] <Kilos> # /etc/sudoers
[19:37] <kbmonkey> okay. now what do you read *above* that
[19:37] <linuxhopper> vi is to edit any txt file, sorry came in to this too late
[19:37] <Kilos> nothing above that
[19:37] <kbmonkey> I like vi linuxhopper :)
[19:38] <kbmonkey> do you know which editor it is Kilos? what does your window title read? "gnome-terminal"?
[19:39] <kbmonkey> wow this is hard
[19:39] <Kilos> it doesnt say anything kbmonkey
[19:39] <linuxhopper> sorry but would like to know why you busy with sudoers file
[19:39] <Kilos> miles@p4~
[19:39] <kbmonkey> and at the bottom of the window?
[19:40] <Kilos> Line=28    Col=1    Sz:567    Ch:EOF    IA   "sudoers.tmp" Offs:567 (100%)
[19:40] <Kilos> haha
[19:40] <kbmonkey> we want to add a line to sudoers linuxhopper. so that kilos can run iftop without the password each time. he runs it often.
[19:41] <kbmonkey> ah okay, now which editor is that? 100 points anyone?
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <linuxhopper> ok check may permission on that file , like -a
[19:41] <kbmonkey> that is vi Kilos
[19:42] <kbmonkey> no its not, arg I cant say :(
[19:42] <linuxhopper> cant you read write and exicute on it, sometimes it will not give error just do notting
[19:42] <kbmonkey> I can't believe we can't get past a text editor
[19:43] <kbmonkey> lol! maybe it's not meant to be today :)
[19:44] <linuxhopper> cd to file and ls -li to see permission " i think"
[19:44] <kbmonkey> we need to figure out what text editor Kilos is using linuxhopper, so we know how to save the changes
[19:45] <linuxhopper> ok.................
[19:45] <Kilos> if i control+x when i type the y my pasted line disappears
[19:46] <kbmonkey> okay hang on Kilos
[19:46] <Kilos> with control+x it brings up a flashing line with save etc in it
[19:47] <linuxhopper> maybe as i said he has permission to read and wire but not save on that file, maybe. he did vi so he must be useing vim.... right?
[19:47] <Kilos> oh my
[19:47] <Kilos> whole page disappeared and terminal says
[19:48] <Kilos> >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<<
[19:48] <Kilos> What now?
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that's fine. visudo does syntax checking and wont save on this error
[19:48] <kbmonkey> that's why we don't edit sudoers directly with gedit ;()
[19:49] <linuxhopper> maybe  :wq in vim to sve and quit?
[19:49] <kbmonkey> I'm confused why your 'line disappears' Kilos. I think let us hang off this a while until we can figure out some basics
[19:50] <Kilos> hey
[19:50] <Kilos> hey
[19:50] <Kilos> its saved
[19:51] <kbmonkey> wow
[19:51] <Kilos> you gotta control +x then y on its own without control+x
[19:51] <Kilos> sigh
[19:51] <kbmonkey> um.. yes :p
[19:51] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:51] <Kilos> i was holding cntrl+x and typing y
[19:51] <kbmonkey> so it was nano ^^
[19:51] <kbmonkey> you double-jointed?
[19:52] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:52] <kbmonkey> okay well that is it
[19:52] <Kilos> no man ctrl+x left hand and y with right hand
[19:52] <Kilos> ty very much sorry for the hassles
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:53] <Kilos> what a twit i be at times
[19:53] <kbmonkey> okay well now, whenever you run sudo iftop, it should carry on
[19:53] <kbmonkey> hope that helps
[19:53] <Kilos> linuxhopper, i actually started with vim about a year ago but forgot it all by now
[19:54] <kbmonkey> you can actually change the default visudo editor, but that is another story and let's not go there today ;)
[19:54] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey you a handy dude to have around
[19:55] <kbmonkey> yw Kilos!
[19:55]  * kbmonkey says a silent prayer he didn't break Kilos's machine
[19:55] <Kilos> no if iftop works without psswrd thats kiff
[19:55] <kbmonkey> he he
[19:55] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:57] <Kilos> if i type in vi there a story there that looks like something must be setup first
[19:57] <Kilos> Langjan, you need help or just visiting
[19:57] <kbmonkey> that is vi's about page
[19:58] <Kilos> better we leave that too for now
[19:59] <kbmonkey> that coffee was nice
[19:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz ty
[19:59] <Maaz> You are welcome kbmonkey
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo iftop -n
[20:00] <Kilos> >>> /etc/sudoers: syntax error near line 27 <<<
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 27
[20:00] <Kilos> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[20:00] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:00] <kbmonkey> restore your backup!
[20:01] <Kilos> what is a parse error
[20:01] <Kilos> the line i added i first put the # in
[20:02] <Kilos> was that wrong
[20:02] <kbmonkey> you added a comment line?
[20:03] <Kilos> should i not have added the # before the command
[20:07] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, just visiting, beyond help...lmga!
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:07] <Kilos> nice to see you didnt forget us Langjan
[20:08] <kbmonkey> sorry to make you learn a lot today Kilos
[20:08] <Kilos> np
[20:09] <kbmonkey> i know how you can restore your backup file. but you may want to write this down.
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <Langjan> How can I forget such helpful allies?
[20:09] <Kilos> i can safe to a stick
[20:11] <Kilos> kbmonkey, does this mean i mustnt switch off or reboot
[20:11] <kbmonkey> it means you will need to reboot, sorry :p
[20:11] <kbmonkey> but not yet
[20:12] <Kilos> rebooting isnt a prob as long as it boots
[20:12] <kbmonkey> ever used the Recovery mode?
[20:12] <Kilos> yes in grub boot?
[20:13] <Kilos> works well normally
[20:13] <kbmonkey> that's the one. I will pm you the 4 steps so not to flood the channel :)
[20:13] <Kilos> ok
[20:17] <Kilos-> grrr
[20:17] <Kilos-> pulled out the wrong usb cable
[20:17] <Kilos-> bb soon
[20:18] <kbmonkey> i'll be here :)
[20:18] <Kilos-> ty laddy
[20:29] <kbmonkey> it worked Kilos!
[20:29] <Kilos> stupid thing kept looking for internet connection at eth0
[20:29] <kbmonkey> what thing?
[20:30] <kbmonkey> wblin
[20:30] <Kilos> that root shell with network
[20:30] <kbmonkey> go without network
[20:30] <kbmonkey> you dont need networking
[20:30] <kbmonkey> just to fix
[20:30] <Kilos> there no choice without network
[20:30] <Kilos> but its fixed now
[20:31] <kbmonkey> oh good
[20:31] <kbmonkey> phew. got worried there!
[20:31] <Kilos> and you left out sudoers after /etc/
[20:31] <Kilos> ha ha
[20:31] <Kilos> no i did when i wrote it down
[20:32] <kbmonkey> clever guy!
[20:32] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  i will use the password for now
[20:32] <Kilos> lol
[20:32] <kbmonkey> you can try again if you brave. i think something went wrong, like if you copy/paste text in it breaks
[20:33] <kbmonkey> cos it's a console editor, and not gedit
[20:33] <Kilos> oh mustnt i do that
[20:33] <Kilos> type it in rather?
[20:33] <kbmonkey> only if you know to paste properly into those things.
[20:33] <kbmonkey> even I mess it up some times, so I type. but anyway...
[20:34] <kbmonkey> I have an appointment with a shower
[20:34] <Kilos> go enjoy lad
[20:34] <Kilos> ty for everything
[20:34] <kbmonkey> installing a bath and today was a fight to get the old heavy cast iron one out. lol
[20:35] <Kilos> haha ja big job that
[20:39] <kbmonkey> ja thanks Kilos. chat tomorrow all!
[20:40] <Kilos> sleep tight kbmonkey
[20:40] <Kilos> night all.


[06:37] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:40] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment va aujourd'hui?
[06:41] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:51] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va bien, et toi?
[06:52] <seb128> ça va bien :)
[07:04] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and seb128
[07:24] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:42] <jibel> hi all
[07:43] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:52] <marcustomlinson> morning all
[07:55] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:00] <willcooke> hi all
[08:00] <willcooke> given a LP upload via the LP API, can I get the changes file URL directly via the API?
[08:01] <jibel> hmm, I did something like this a long time ago. I'll try to find it
[08:03] <willcooke> jibel, good journey home?
[08:03] <willcooke> I think I should be able to use "get_paramter "
[08:03] <duflu> Hi willcooke
[08:03] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[08:04] <jibel> willcooke, yeah, the train has been a bit delayed because it hit an animal, but still got my connection and reached home.
[08:04] <willcooke> but get_parameter(changes_file_url) doesnt work
[08:05] <jibel> willcooke, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XDXZxXJNVH/ but it uses changelogs.ubuntu.com, I'll find the one that uses the LP api
[08:05] <willcooke> jibel, don't worry, I think I've done it
[08:05] <willcooke> ha
[08:05] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[09:29] <andyrock> good morning all :D
[09:34] <marcustomlinson> hey andyrock
[09:37] <oSoMoN> hey andyrock, how are you doing?
[09:44] <duflu> Morning andyrock
[09:47] <duflu> Bah statistics. I spent over a day thinking I had a great new fix only to find it was random variation
[09:48] <duflu> At least I was careful to repeat and repeat
[09:57] <Laney> willcooke: https://api.launchpad.net/devel.html is useful if you didn't see that
[09:57] <Laney> e.g. it leads you to "lp.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='bionic').getPackageUploads(status='Unapproved')[0].changes_file_url"
[09:57] <willcooke> yeah I found it, thanks!
[09:58] <Laney> kool
[09:58] <seb128> oh, an andyrock! how are you?
[09:58] <Laney> also hi!
[10:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[10:02] <duflu> And with that, good night, almost
[10:04] <duflu> Crap. I was meant to put dinner in the oven some time ago
[10:04] <duflu> Backup plan
[10:04] <duflu> Bye
[10:32] <andyrock> I'm still getting used to lunch at 11:45
[10:48] <andyrock> sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulatorudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
[10:48] <andyrock> ops
[10:48] <andyrock> Dio1123Cancaro
[10:49] <andyrock> something wrong here sorry about the spam
[12:03] <sil2100> marcustomlinson, oSoMoN: can one of you SRUify LP: #1828683 ?
[12:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1828683 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Cosmic) "package libreoffice-impress 1:6.1.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> failed to install/upgrade: forsøger at overskrive '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libOGLTranslo.so', som også er i pakken libreoffice-ogltrans 1:6.1.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1828683
[12:04] <sil2100> Ah!
[12:04] <sil2100> marcustomlinson, oSoMoN: ...nevermind!
[12:04] <sil2100> I see it actually is
[12:05] <sil2100> Oh, the version number was incorrect last time in the replaces/conflicts? How did I miss that
[12:06] <marcustomlinson> sil2100: don't blame yourself, that was my bad sorry
[15:03] <Trevinho> morning!
[15:04] <willcooke> hi re
[15:04] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[15:04] <seb128> hey Trevinho , how are you?
[15:08] <Trevinho> hi seb128 and willcooke!
[15:08] <Trevinho> I'm good thanks... you?
[15:08] <seb128> good!
[15:08] <seb128> Trevinho, where are you atm?
[15:10] <oSoMoN> hey Trevinho
[15:19] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: hi!
[15:19] <Trevinho> seb128: still Guanajuato
[15:19] <seb128> Trevinho, enjoying the tacos? :)
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yes.... love them 😋
[16:27] <k_alam> marcustomlinson: Hi, is there any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1825741 was it fixed for new release in disco ?
[16:27] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1825741 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "[upstream] Multiple instances of global menu entries" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:48] <marcustomlinson> k_alam: I'll give it a test now
[17:00] <k_alam> marcustomlinson: Thanks
[17:01] <marcustomlinson> k_alam: nah, same problem exists in <IP_ADDRESS>. The upstream bug is still seeing confirmations of this as of 2 weeks ago
[17:01] <marcustomlinson> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124391
[17:01] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 124391 in UI "Doubled global menu in 6.2.2 with GTK VCL" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:04] <k_alam> ok, so not fixed yet
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> k_alam: not yet no. to be fair though, the problem itself was not clearly defined until March this year, so still a relatively new bug. Will just have to keep an eye on upstream