[05:02] <tonyyarusso> Is there a template page on the wiki for feature specification outlines?
[05:03] <jjesse> tonyyarusso: not that i know of
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> Hrm
[05:04] <Madpilot> I thought there was?
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> Wait, there is a god!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> :)
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Now, oh wiki editing experts, how do I copy a template page and start a new one?  (Or should I just Ctrl-C it - I'm thinking there must be a more intelligent way)
[05:07] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: delete the page, and then when you recreate it use the template
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Page doesn't exist yet.  I need to make one from scratch, but using a template.  Wondering if there's a "start page like this" functionality from the template or something.
[05:07] <Burgwork> go to the page
[05:08] <Burgwork> in the middle, there is a box
[05:08] <Burgwork> the box has two setions
[05:08] <Burgwork> in the left section, choose spectempalte
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Aaah.  I was just approaching from the wrong direction.
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> What's BoF agenda mean?
[05:40] <Burgwork> what is going to be talked about
[05:40] <Madpilot> Bag of Freaks - slang for a group of hackers
[05:40] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> So if I have no idea what to put, leave it blank and wait for a "Freak" to fill it in?
[05:42] <Madpilot> hey! OK, it's actually Birds Of a Feather, which is nearly as strange as Bag o' Freaks
[05:42] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: leave it blank
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:58] <nixternal> birds of a feather, flock together, hack together, sle......
[05:58] <nixternal> i will stop there
[06:08] <tonyyarusso> Anyone want to proofread my spec writeup and give feedback?
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimCalendarAutoAways
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> (And is this ready to propose for UDS-mtv in launchpad now, or does that sort of thing come later?)
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> (I'm also not sure whether I should be set as the drafter or not, but that's probably moving into -devel territory, if I'm not already long there)
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> I'm guessing the silence is a hint I'm in the wrong spot at this point, /me takes deep breath and steps into -devel for first time...!
[06:27] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, sounds like something the Telepathy project is doing
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Really?  Have a link to more info on that so I can follow up?
[06:29] <Madpilot> not offhand - it's a gnome project, I think. Burgwork knows more about it.
[06:38] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: gaim is likely going away for fiesty
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Never heard of it...
[06:41] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: telepathy is to communication like gstreamer is to media
[06:42] <Madpilot> Burgwork, I won't especially miss gaim, but what's the replacement going to be?
[06:42] <Burgwork> Madpilot: likely gossip
[06:43] <Madpilot> is gossip multi-protocol like gaim, or just jabber?
[06:43] <Burgwork> that is what telepathy does
[06:44] <Burgwork> it solves teh multiprotocol stuff
[06:44] <Burgwork> if you listened to my analogoy
[06:44] <Madpilot> ah, OK. cool
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Should I mention my writeup to the telepathy/gossip people?
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: that is part of telepathy is trying to do
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: so remove the gaim and tbird stuff
[07:00] <Burgwork> tonyyarusso: add evo and telepathy
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Just under dependencies you mean/
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> ?
[07:01] <Burgwork> yep
[07:01] <tonyyarusso> Okay.
[07:02] <Burgwork> specs shoudl reallly only care about packages we install by default
[07:02] <Burgwork> everything else is fluffy
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> True enough.
[07:03] <tonyyarusso> Is there a way to link to packages in launchpad, or just on the wiki?
[01:26] <carlos> hi
[01:27] <carlos> is there any ubuntu-doc maintainer around?
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> I'm mostly an observer of this group so far, and the ones I know that are active it's 04:30 for.  Maybe some Europeans are around though....
[01:39] <pepsiman> carlos: what's the problem with ubuntu-doc this time?
[01:40] <carlos> pepsiman: it's not a problem
[01:40] <carlos> we got a bunch of .pot files to import
[01:40] <carlos> https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=distros&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=pot
[01:40] <carlos> and I need to know whether we should import all them or not
[01:41] <pepsiman> I think one string was changed, and there's no point importing
[01:41] <pepsiman> doc translation freeze was last week anyway
[02:03] <carlos> pepsiman: well, but we got those templates, should I ignore them?
[02:03] <carlos> it's new documentation...
[02:30] <pepsiman> carlos: this is all I know: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jmLsH385.html
[02:32] <carlos> pepsiman: ok, thanks
[05:26] <mdz> greetings
[05:27] <mdz> I mailed -doc yesterday regarding the release notes; I know it's late (and we've made arrangements to do better next time) but we could use a hand in preparing them
[09:03] <mdke_> nixternal: I take it Riddell did the upload yesterday
[09:04] <nixternal> i don't know if he did or not
[09:05] <mdke_> looks like Rosetta got some new translation templates
[09:05] <nixternal> i didn't see it in the commit list
[09:05] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:05] <nixternal> let me find out
[09:05] <mdke_> maybe was from something else
[09:05] <mdke_> might have been a previous upload
[09:05] <nixternal> i seen that email as well
[09:06] <nixternal> i just asked Riddell if he committed it
[09:06] <nixternal> i have been up to my neck in school work today
[09:08] <mdke_> no worries
[09:14] <pepsiman> mdke_: the new templates are at "needs review" https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=distros&status=NEEDS_REVIEW&type=pot  carlos was in here wondering if you wanted them to be imported
[09:14] <mdke_> pepsiman: I saw the scrollback yeah. I'll need to catch him and talk about that. I've pinged jordi
[09:26] <nixternal> 14:16:44]  <Riddell> nixternal: no, I don't think it's allowed
[09:26] <nixternal> mdke_: ^^
[09:26] <mdke_> ah.
[11:10] <jenda> mdke_: what's wrong with doc.ubuntu.com?
[11:13] <mdke_> jenda: dunno, what's wrong with it?
[11:13] <mdke_> oh, haha
[11:13] <jenda> hehe...
[11:13] <jenda> I get the italian forum there...
[11:13] <mdke_> that cheeky webmaster


[01:42] <hakimsheriff> Hi people
[05:21] <digirak> hey i want to register with bazaar for mago
[05:21] <digirak> how do i do that
[15:59] <guillemhs> hi!


[00:21] <mamarley> clivejo: I can confirm that an upgrade no longer wants to remove sddm.  It does look like you will need to recompile python3-pyqt5 though because that depends on qtbase-abi-5.5.1.
[07:14] <soee> !info libgtk-x11
[07:14] <soee> !info libgtk-x11 xenial
[07:28] <valorie> is this why some are complaining about how FF looks?
[07:28] <soee> nono
[07:28] <valorie> ok
[07:29] <valorie> not that I care; I've abandoned FF after years of use
[07:30] <soee> i'm on Vivaldi
[11:28] <clivejo> yofel acheronuk: I merged plasma-workspace with Debian in an atempt to fix some build issues I was having with it.  But it seems our version and Debian seems to have forked quite a bit
[11:28] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/273454553/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.plasma-workspace_4%3A5.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa12_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:29] <clivejo> I got myself into a right mess last night trying to fix it and need new fresh eyes on it
[13:15] <clivejo> more KCI memory issues
[13:16] <clivejo> 13:12:34 make: *** Cannot allocate memory.  Stop.
[13:43] <acheronuk> clivejo: have an old mate from uni visiting this weekend, so I doubt I can look at it
[13:43] <clivejo> no problem
[15:24] <blaze> sigh
[15:24] <blaze> clivejo: what's the status of plasma 5.7 packaging?
 I'm stuck on plasma-workspace
 Haven't had the will to go back to it yet
[16:05] <mamarley> clivejo: Yeah, I had a similar "couldn't find library" error a while back with the NVIDIA packages and it was difficult getting the right syntax in the shlibs file to tell it that the library it was looking for was in another package compiled by that same source package.
[16:11] <mamarley> Except these packages use .symbols files, which I know even less about. :(
[16:16] <mamarley> I don't even see this "liblegacytaskmanager.so" being packaged anywhere in plasma-workspace, hmm…
[16:17] <soee> something like that was removed in Plasma 5.7 master
[16:28] <mamarley> So, sorry.  This is above my head.
[19:52] <jimarvan> hey guys
[19:52] <jimarvan> how is it going? :)
[19:54] <clivejo> head is spinning
[19:54] <clivejo> you?
[19:57] <clivejo> libs dont seem to be enough, now we need legacy libs
[19:59] <clivejo> LOL
[19:59] <clivejo> (krazy can't deal with embedded classes)
[20:13] <jimarvan> :/
[20:13] <jimarvan> hehe I was enjoying the sunny day
[20:13] <jimarvan> then fog came and ruined it all -.-
[20:17]  * clivejo bangs head off the wall
[20:19] <jimarvan> hey hey
[20:19] <jimarvan> :D
[20:20] <jimarvan> problem?
[20:21] <clivejo> you could say that
[21:01]  * clivejo starts bleeding from his ears
[21:04]  * valorie offers tea and cotton fluff for the ears
[21:05] <clivejo> why oh who oh why
[21:05]  * jimarvan will take some tea
[21:05] <valorie> pot's still hot, jimarvan!
[21:06] <valorie> and plenty for everyone
[21:06] <clivejo> anything stronger?
[21:06]  * valorie has milk and sugar but no lemon
[21:06] <valorie> ..... and brandy!
[21:06] <jimarvan> :D
[21:06] <clivejo> Ill have some brandy
[21:08] <valorie> there are even brandy glasses if you don't want the tea
[21:08] <valorie> :-)
[21:16]  * valorie needs direct caffeine to the brain today, dunno why
[21:23] <clivejo> know how you feel
[21:27] <clivejo> *beeping* *beep* *beep* *beep*
[21:47]  * mamarley hugs clivejo.
[21:47] <clivejo> Im going insane!
[21:47] <jimarvan> :(
[21:51]  * yofel passes clivejo a bug mug of hot coffee
[21:53] <jimarvan> guys
[21:53] <jimarvan> can someone kick the guy in #kubuntu?
[21:56] <clivejo> valorie: ?
[21:57] <clivejo> here comes yofel to the rescue!
[21:58] <yofel> now if I could remember how to ban someone..
[21:58]  * yofel googles
[22:01] <yofel> gone
[22:03] <jimarvan> thanks :)
[22:03] <yofel> jimarvan: the appropriate action at such times is to call !ops in the affected channel
[22:03] <jimarvan> what did kubuntu do to him?
[22:03] <jimarvan> oh
[22:03] <jimarvan> by name you mean?
[22:03] <yofel> nothing, he got kicked out of several other channels too
[22:03] <jimarvan> ah ok
[22:04] <yofel> either that or just the factoid, that'll ping a couple people and send a message to #ubuntu-ops
[22:04] <jimarvan> hmm is there an option to display on top the ops?
[22:04] <yofel> no, ubuntu channels have a 'no-ops' policy.
[22:04] <valorie> in konvi there is
[22:04] <jimarvan> aah that is why i dont see any ops
[22:04] <yofel> not sure if the ACLs are publicly readable
[22:04] <valorie> however, yeah it doesn't work so well in ubuntu chans
[22:05] <jimarvan> i c
[22:05] <valorie> um, there is a command to see who has powerz in each chan
[22:05] <jimarvan> ye it has been 10 years
[22:05] <jimarvan> since i used irc xD
[22:05] <jimarvan> good times >-)
[22:06] <valorie>  like /msg chanserv access #kde list
[22:06] <valorie> you might have to have access to see that though
[22:07] <valorie> https://toxin.jottit.com/freenode_chanserv_commands is useful
[22:07] <jimarvan> hmm
[22:07] <valorie> just doing !ops calls all the ops
[22:07] <aaron-> IRC so different at times
[22:07] <aaron-> I should have op but don't
[22:07] <valorie> but of course trolls know that too, and use it to annoy
[22:08] <aaron-> crap forgot how to set nick
[22:08] <valorie> just /nick newnick
[22:08] <valorie> or do you mean with chanserv?
[22:08] <yofel> ahoneybun: yes, you are op?
[22:09] <yofel> [ChanServ] 19    ahoneybun              +Aefiortv (kcouncil) [modified 42w 2d 23h ago]
[22:09] <ahoneybun> there we go
[22:09] <valorie> because you can always do /nickserv HELP or so
[22:09] <valorie> or any of the services
[22:09] <ahoneybun> yofel: [Error] You need to be a channel operator in #kubuntu to do that.
[22:09] <ahoneybun> ;p
[22:10] <yofel> ahoneybun: what exactly are you trying to do?
[22:10] <ahoneybun> ban
[22:10] <jimarvan> xD
[22:10] <jimarvan> omg :O what did i do? :P
[22:10] <yofel> ahoneybun: /msg chanserv op #kubuntu ahoneybun
[22:10] <yofel> *then* you can
[22:10] <yofel> remember to deop after that
[22:11] <ahoneybun> deop instead of op?
[22:11] <yofel> yes
[22:11] <jimarvan> and if you deop
[22:11] <yofel> I had already banned him though ^^
[22:11] <jimarvan> you can still use bans?
[22:11] <ahoneybun> just checking
[22:11]  * ahoneybun returns to his show
[22:11] <yofel> ahoneybun: banning the nick isn't that great an idea
[22:12] <yofel> webchat nicks are random. so that might hit random people
[22:12] <jimarvan> guys gotta go, see ya tomorrow!
[22:12] <jimarvan> have fun! :)
[22:12] <yofel> nini :)
[22:12] <valorie> niters jimarvan
[22:21] <clivejo> please go green
[22:47] <mamarley> clivejo: You've got this.  I have confidence in you. :)
[22:56] <clivejo> mamarley: have you a box for a test install?
[23:15] <N3X15> Any known issues with files in kactivities conflicting with kio-extra-data?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/19833042/
[23:18] <clivejo> N3X15: where are you getting these packages?
[23:18] <clivejo> kio-extras_4%3a16.04.3+p16.04+git20160708.0424-0_amd64.deb
[23:18] <clivejo> KCI?
[23:18] <N3X15> Yep
[23:18] <clivejo> you shouldnt use KCI
[23:18] <N3X15> Unfortunatel, the stable Kubuntu has far more issues for me, for whatever reason
[23:19] <clivejo> KCI is for development
[23:19] <N3X15> Things like severe graphical glitches (white-on-white taskbar, etc)
[23:19] <N3X15> KCI is the only repo that seems to work.
[23:22] <N3X15> Sorry for the trouble.  It doesn't seem to be causing any problems, other than an error when updating, but since it's been going on for a month or so, I thought I'd pop in and see if you guys had noticed it or not.
[23:24] <clivejo> have you tried the backports PPA?
[23:25] <N3X15> Not yet.
[23:26] <clivejo> anyone with a disposal yakkety?  I need a test install
[23:27] <clivejo> disposable
[23:27] <valorie> install of what, clivejo?
[23:27] <clivejo> plasma
[23:27] <valorie> just staging, or what?
[23:28] <valorie> tell me what you need and I'll do it
[23:28] <clivejo> yeah, but needs to be totally throw away
[23:28] <valorie>  creating another vbox isn't difficult
[23:29] <valorie> mine is started and waiting
[23:29] <clivejo> add the staging PPA and do a dist upgrade
[23:30] <valorie> also I have a snapshot to fall back to if necessary
[23:30] <clivejo> paste me the install, upgrade, remove report
[23:30] <valorie> via the cli I assume, not testing discover or so
[23:31] <clivejo> yup
[23:32] <valorie> to double-check, this ppa? ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing
[23:32] <clivejo> nope
[23:32] <valorie> oops, you wanted staging
[23:32] <valorie> so ppa-staging
[23:32] <valorie> or is it plasma-staging
[23:32] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/
[23:36] <valorie> still working away......
[23:41] <valorie> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19836625/
[23:42] <valorie> rebooting
[23:42] <valorie> it
[23:43] <clivejo> did it complete?
[23:43] <valorie> hmmm, it reboots to a VT
[23:43] <valorie> looks like it didn't
[23:43] <clivejo> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-0ubuntu1) ...
[23:43] <clivejo> W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish
[23:44] <valorie> yeah, I didn't interrupt it, so dunno
[23:44] <valorie> I'll just install a daily when we want to test that
[23:44] <valorie> or go back to the snapshot
[23:45] <clivejo> what happened when you rebooted?
[23:45] <valorie> took me to tty1
[23:45] <valorie> and didn't let me login
[23:46] <valorie> I wonder if I remembered my login correctly
[23:46] <clivejo> what was the original install source?
[23:46] <valorie> the daily on alpha-day
[23:46] <valorie> 11 days ago
[23:47] <clivejo> humm
[23:49] <valorie> oh, my notes say I snapshotted after adding -landing and kdeapps, updating, then removing them
[23:49] <valorie> so it might not be worth saving at all
[23:52] <valorie> anyway, I discarded the present state so it either comes back from that or doesn't


[01:12] <Lynx|2> anyone having flash problem in 11.04 natty?
[01:13] <ari-tczew> Lynx|2: better place for ask will be #ubuntu+1
[01:13] <Lynx|2> k, thx
[02:51] <rsalveti> :
[05:49] <elStefano84> Heya
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ayatana meeting?
[13:03] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone?
[13:26] <MrChrisDruif> Is the ayatana meeting not today and now?
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is NCommander.
[15:00] <NCommander> Who's here?
[15:01] <davidm> G'day NCommander
[15:01]  * soren chuckles
[15:01]  * janimo waves
[15:01] <NCommander> morning davidm
[15:01] <janimo> hello everyone
[15:01] <ogra> moo
[15:02] <davidm> NCommander, it got even colder here!!
[15:02] <NCommander> No wiki page folks, as the wiki broke everytime I tried to make one with a 500 error
[15:02] <NCommander> davidm: move to Oregon :-)
[15:02] <ogra> you wrote something different in your mail :P
[15:02] <ogra> it said you had 500 errors *g*
[15:02] <NCommander> yeah, one every time I tried :-P
[15:02] <ogra> was a funny read
[15:02] <NCommander> Hence errors
[15:03] <ogra> we should have a standing item for unity-2d from now on
[15:03] <ogra> until its in the images
[15:03] <NCommander> ogra: k
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:05] <ogra> shudder
[15:05] <ogra> i guess we all fell back due to unity
[15:05] <NCommander> [topic] persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to handle namespace renaming (co)
[15:05] <ogra> which namespace was that ?
[15:05] <NCommander> wiki namespace from Mobile to ARM
[15:06] <ogra> ah, nice
[15:06] <ogra> seems persia isnt here though
[15:06]  * NCommander pokes him
[15:06] <rsalveti> argh, fighting with nm-applet at natty
[15:06] <rsalveti> but finally on :-)
[15:07] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to fix workitem links
[15:07] <NCommander> Did this during the last meeting template
[15:07] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[15:07] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.htmlhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.htmlhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <NCommander> oops
[15:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:08]  * ogra is still not intrested in these ...
[15:08] <jo-erlend> is there any news regarding OMAP3?
[15:09] <ogra> release team only cares for canonical-arm items
[15:09] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm.html
[15:09] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html
[15:09] <NCommander> bah
[15:09] <NCommander> sorry about that
[15:10] <NCommander> laptop broke
[15:10] <NCommander> ogra: damn it, this is the Ubuntu ARM meeting
[15:10] <NCommander> Will you stop posting that link?
[15:10] <ogra> NCommander, fine, make the release team care about something else then
[15:10] <ogra> no
[15:10] <NCommander> ogra: and if the release team only cares about Canonical ARM work items, then I'll fix it
[15:10] <ogra> go ahead
[15:10] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs
[15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to talk to the release team on which team to track w.r.t. to bugs
[15:10] <ogra> bugs ?
[15:10] <NCommander> er
[15:10] <NCommander> workitems
[15:11] <ogra> heh
[15:11] <NCommander> sorry, still early here
[15:11] <ogra> bugs is another issue
[15:11] <ogra> but we'll get to that
[15:11] <ogra> and note that i wont run around after people that dont report for the release team report
[15:11] <ogra> i.e. people that have WIs on ubuntu-armel
[15:12] <ogra> which will constantly make us look bad in the release meeting
[15:12] <ogra> NCommander, make davidm tell me to stop caring for canonical-arm and i will
[15:13] <ogra> but i will not start running after the community to make us look better, preparing the release report already takes half a day
[15:13] <ogra> anyway, move
[15:13] <GrueMaster> I'm looking at the two Alpha 2 workitem links side by side, and not seeing much of a difference.
[15:13] <ogra> GrueMaster, apart from the fact that nobody maintains the tracker
[15:14] <ogra> which you can see by the broken trendline etc
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:14] <ogra> anyway, nothing to discuss now
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney)
[15:14] <ogra> NCommander, buglist ?
[15:14] <NCommander> oh righ
[15:14] <ogra> :)
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-arm-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[15:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, proposed an new buglist
[15:15] <ogra> which is based on the armel tag
[15:15] <ogra> that bit goes better with apport, but sadly also shows *all* linaro bugs
[15:16] <ogra> note that the difference is 160 vs 18 bugs
[15:16] <rsalveti> NCommander: please also put my name on the kernel status
[15:16] <ogra> between these two lists
[15:16] <NCommander> ogra: as the ubuntu-armel team, we should be looking at those bugs instead what is easy to look at as well. Just because its on the team list doesn't mean we have to fix it
[15:16] <rsalveti> put an action item for it, you said you'd do it at the last meeting
[15:16] <NCommander> rsalveti: ah, whoops, sorry :-)
[15:16] <GrueMaster> I am really out of ideas on how to get a better list of open bug reports out of launchpad.  If someone here has a workable solution, please step up and make a suggestion, not a complaint.
[15:16] <ogra> NCommander, so you want to start triaging linaro image tools bugs, linaro kernel package bugs etc ?
[15:17] <ogra> GrueMaster, ubuntu-armel subscribed bugs would be the right thing
[15:17] <NCommander> ogra: the tool should be limited to the ubuntu distro, then all bugs tagged armel
[15:17] <GrueMaster> ubuntu-armel doesn't get added until the bugs are triaged.
[15:17] <ogra> NCommander, right, but such a feature doesnt exists at all
[15:17] <ogra> GrueMaster, which is fine since the list is supposed to track "subscribed" bugs
[15:18] <ogra> which is usually after triage
[15:18] <rsalveti> we usually just want to track triaged bugs
[15:18] <ogra> right
[15:18] <ogra> err
[15:18] <rsalveti> but would be good to have the general picture, and the GrueMaster link works for that
[15:18] <GrueMaster> And who is supposed to subscribe these bugs to team members or the team in general?
[15:18] <ogra> s/sbscribed/assigned/
[15:18] <ogra> we usually dont assign the team
[15:18] <ogra> but subscribe
[15:19] <ogra> so subscribed is the right thing to look for
[15:19] <NCommander> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=armel
[15:19] <GrueMaster> I'll try to get another list with team subscribed bugs.  This list helps me at least do my job.
[15:19] <NCommander> just saying, that list does exist
[15:19] <ogra> NCommander, all linaro packages are in ubuntu
[15:19] <ogra> it doesnt
[15:19] <ogra> that doesnt filter out linaro
[15:20] <ogra> it even is less filtered than GrueMasters list above
[15:20] <ogra> 220 bugs vs 160
[15:20] <ogra> the only proper list would be ubuntu-armel subscribed
[15:21] <ogra> it think we should filter on both ...
[15:21] <ogra> armel tag and ubuntu-armel subscribed
[15:21] <ogra> GrueMaster, can you ask bdmurray to add such a filter ?
[15:21] <ogra> should be trivial
[15:21] <GrueMaster> I'll try, if it is even possible to search for subscribers.
[15:22] <ogra> i think it is via launchpadlib
[15:22] <ogra> so assuming bdmurray uses that in his script he should be able to add such a filter
[15:23] <ogra> move ?
[15:24] <rsalveti> launchpadlib should do the job
[15:25]  * ogra tickles NCommander
[15:25] <ogra> wake up ;)
[15:25] <NCommander> ogra: sorry
[15:25] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (rsalveti, cooloney)
[15:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (rsalveti, cooloney)
[15:26] <rsalveti> same kernel for omap 4, no other updates from TI
[15:26] <ogra> there was an upload today
[15:26] <ogra> with fixes from cooloney
[15:26] <rsalveti> cooloney worked at the mem instability issues, and could reproduce it with latest linux-omap tree
[15:26] <ogra> only minor stuff though
[15:26] <rsalveti> probably meta
[15:26] <ogra> i think naming issues etc
[15:26] <rsalveti> then he fixed the linux-tools package
[15:26] <ogra> and doc updates
[15:26] <rsalveti> to properly probe the correct package for omap 4
[15:26] <ogra> and that, yeah
[15:27] <rsalveti> as the name is different
[15:27] <rsalveti> omap 3 still needs to be properly tested
[15:27] <rsalveti> but we still don't have images for it
[15:27] <ogra> should be possible with the next image
[15:27] <ogra> we will tomorrow
[15:27]  * ogra will report in image status
[15:27] <GrueMaster> And I no longer have a beagleXM at the moment for testing.
[15:27] <rsalveti> sure, once we get it, would be good to test it asap
[15:28] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: do you know if davidm already ordered another one for you?
[15:28] <GrueMaster> New board ordered, status unknown.
[15:28] <ogra> will be shipped after the pandas :P
[15:28] <rsalveti> davidm: any updates on that?
[15:28] <davidm> I ordered a replacement at the rally
[15:28] <rsalveti> cool, should arrive soon probably
[15:28] <davidm> No update from vendor as yet
[15:29] <rsalveti> I can help testing it once we have images
[15:29] <GrueMaster> Web indicated March timeframe.
[15:29] <ogra> lol
[15:29] <ogra> now that will be helpful
[15:29] <rsalveti> it seems there's a bug related with the mmc driver, as sometimes I get some i/o errors
[15:29] <rsalveti> lol
[15:29] <rsalveti> linaro probably got a lot of those, maybe we could ask one from them
[15:29] <janimo> rsalveti, only on arm?
[15:29] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: on omap3 or 4?
[15:29] <rsalveti> only on omap 3
[15:29] <janimo> I get those with my broken sdcard
[15:30] <ogra> jo-erlend, you had questions regarding omap3 ... now is probably the time to ask them ;)
[15:30] <rsalveti> I could reproduce with 2 cards already, but didn't spend much time on that
[15:30] <GrueMaster> Before the end of the week last week, I successfully upgraded from Maverick to Natty on my XM.
[15:30] <GrueMaster> So that is something.
[15:30] <rsalveti> cool
[15:30] <ogra> yeah
[15:30] <jo-erlend> well. I was just wondering if there were any news. :)
[15:30] <ogra> jo-erlend, we'll have images soon
[15:31] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: well, we'll start producing image soon
[15:31] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:31] <ogra> not sure how well they will work
[15:31] <rsalveti> kernel is based on upstream
[15:31] <jo-erlend> sorry if I interrupted earlier. :)
[15:31] <rsalveti> so 37 now and soon 38 something
[15:31] <ogra> since as you can see above they havent been tested yet
[15:31] <ogra> but we should have something by alpha2
[15:31] <rsalveti> tested with new x-loader and new u-boot
[15:31] <rsalveti> so if we get a working kernel, should be fine
[15:31] <ogra> great
[15:32] <jo-erlend> I'm happy to test, if someone tells me what and how to test.
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: what hardware do you have in hands?
[15:32] <ogra> we'll have dailies at cdimage.ubuntu.com soon
[15:32] <jo-erlend> IGEPv2.
[15:32] <ogra> oh, i dont think we support that OOTB
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: cool, I believe we'll soon have an x-loader for that
[15:32] <rsalveti> once the patches are merged upstream
[15:32] <ogra> you will need to replace x-loader at least
[15:32] <rsalveti> probably
[15:32] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: will ping you back then
[15:33] <jo-erlend> great.
[15:33] <ogra> NCommander, action ^^^^
[15:33] <ogra> :)
[15:33] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:33] <rsalveti> NCommander is generally so fast, what's happening today?
[15:33] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, can you put up some really loud heavy metal to keep him awake ?
[15:34] <ogra> :D
[15:34] <GrueMaster> It is 7:32am here.  Lack of caffeine.
[15:34] <NCommander> ogra: having laptop issues
[15:34] <GrueMaster> And no, as that would keep me awake too.
[15:34] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[15:34] <rsalveti> slacker
[15:34] <ogra> *g*
[15:34] <GrueMaster> Continuing to do update testing due to lack of images since 1/12.
[15:35] <GrueMaster> (12/1 for you european folk)
[15:35] <ogra> we should change the order of the standing items
[15:35] <ogra> so i can report on image stuff before QA
[15:35] <rsalveti> yup
[15:35] <GrueMaster> Installed unity-2d yesterday.  No icons as of yet.  Still looking into.
[15:35] <rsalveti> NCommander: ^
[15:36] <ogra> GrueMaster, unity will have its own topic
[15:36]  * GrueMaster pauses for aob items to be handled.
[15:36] <GrueMaster> You asked for QA status.  Thisis my QA status.
[15:36] <ogra> yep
[15:36] <ogra> that was no complaint, just a hint
[15:36] <NCommander> GrueMaster: thought that was on ARM only, not x86
[15:36] <jo-erlend> rsalveti, you mentioned once that you were going to have a look at Ubuntu ARM on Nokia N900. Did that result in anything?
[15:37] <ogra> jo-erlend, can we keep that for AOB?
[15:37] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: latest update I made I got a working kernel for it, just lack proper userspace hacks
[15:37] <rsalveti> jo-erlend: we can discuss this on #ubuntu-arm
[15:37] <ogra> or that
[15:37] <ogra> NCommander, move ?
[15:38] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:38] <ogra> would make sense to have unity-2d now
[15:38] <NCommander> k
[15:38] <ogra> ah, or that
[15:38] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Unity 2D
[15:38] <ogra> i just mean before images ;)
[15:38]  * NCommander is unsure who to assign to it :-P
[15:38] <ogra> so i spend the time since i got off the plane to make the packages properly installable
[15:38] <ogra> as of yesterday they install fine, the metacity patch is in and working
[15:38] <ogra> i only could test on x86 yet though
[15:38] <rsalveti> cool
[15:39] <NCommander> ogra: \o/
[15:39] <ogra> and due to the places transition of unity 3d we dont have places and dash working atm
[15:39] <rsalveti> I also worked with Kaleo yesterday to improve the performance of places and spread on panda
[15:39] <ogra> dash looks good but is non functional currently
[15:39] <GrueMaster> Odd that it works on i386 but not on armel.
[15:39] <ogra> nor does the search function in the dash work
[15:39] <ogra> that will all come back once places is fixed
[15:39] <GrueMaster> The icons & places I mean.
[15:39] <ogra> which is supposed to be done this week
[15:40] <ogra> i dont know about the icons
[15:40] <ogra> we need to research wwhy it doesnt work on arm
[15:40] <rsalveti> ogra: when are you planning to change it to be the default one?
[15:40] <ogra> for the packaging there are some tasks pending which i'm working on
[15:40] <ogra> fixes of the copyright and branches in control is my first task
[15:41] <ogra> i'm 80% through .., but need to talk to NCommander (off meeting) about some commits that werent uploaded
[15:41] <ogra> then we need to rename the session to follow the new natty scheme
[15:41] <ogra> desktop team asked for that
[15:41] <ogra> after that we are supposed to merge unity-2d-default-settings and unity-2d
[15:42] <ogra> once these three are done i'll file MIRs
[15:42] <rsalveti> cool
[15:42] <ogra> and see that we get them approved
[15:42] <rsalveti> are we planning to use it by default at alpha 2?
[15:42] <ogra> once thats done we can change the seeds
[15:42] <rsalveti> mir would take some time, but maybe possible
[15:42] <ogra> depends if i can finish the three tasks and the MIRs before A2
[15:42] <ogra> cross your fingers
[15:42] <ogra> MIR team is slow
[15:42] <rsalveti> yup :-(
[15:43] <ogra> i expect to have the packaging bits done by monday evening
[15:43] <ogra> and MIRs files by tue.
[15:43] <ogra> so if we can make the MIR team work fast the packages could be in on wed. which would give us a chance for A2
[15:44] <rsalveti> that would be awesome
[15:44] <ogra> there is a liuvecd-rootfs change required to use the new session by default
[15:44] <rsalveti> omap 3 back and now new interface
[15:44] <ogra> i dont really want to do that before i know the packages are in
[15:44] <ogra> else we end up without any default session
[15:44] <ogra> post that we have to care for the efl bits to be demoted to universe btw
[15:45] <ogra> thats all for unity-2d
[15:45] <rsalveti> yeah
[15:45] <rsalveti> NCommander: ^
[15:45] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:45] <ogra> move ;)
[15:45] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:46] <ogra> janimo, ??
[15:46] <janimo> some progress on haskell stuff
[15:46] <ogra> i'm poked by mono gusy about banshee
[15:46] <janimo> and on bugs I got reassigned from David S.
[15:46] <ogra> but i think we wait for a new upstream here
[15:46] <ogra> they claim that it works "since years"
[15:46] <janimo> ogra, for banhshee I am waiting for 1.9.2 upload to natty to test
[15:47] <rsalveti> janimo: what packages did you have issues with the builders?
[15:47] <janimo> rsalveti, let me get the bug from LP
[15:47] <ogra> who is David S. ?
[15:47] <NCommander> ogra: David Sugar
[15:47] <ogra> ah
[15:47] <ogra> heh
[15:47] <rsalveti> lol
[15:47] <GrueMaster> ogra: The banshee upstream team reports that it works on x86.  They haven't tested on armel.
[15:47] <janimo> rsalveti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/705344
[15:48] <ogra> GrueMaster, no, i got mails today where they claim it works on armel "since years"
[15:48] <ogra> dunno really what to answer
[15:48] <janimo> ogra, it may be specific to armv7
[15:48] <NCommander> ogra: how about 'test it on panda'? :-)
[15:48] <janimo> we'll see once we have 1.9.2
[15:48] <ogra> or thumb2
[15:48] <rsalveti> janimo: did you try those with your panda?
[15:48] <GrueMaster> On armv7 or armv5?
[15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, are we talking about banshee crash now?
[15:49] <ogra> jcastro added me to the mail discussion
[15:49] <GrueMaster> It fails on all of my arm platforms here.
[15:49] <rsalveti> janimo: sorry, the ones with issues with the builders
[15:49] <ogra> i'll ask about default compiler settings and which toolchain they used for that
[15:49] <ogra> janimo, sorry mixed discussions above
[15:49] <janimo> rsalveti, yes, most build fine on panda
[15:49]  * ogra stays quiet
[15:50] <GrueMaster> there's a first.  :p
[15:50]  * NCommander enjoys this moment
[15:50] <janimo> those build for a long time on x86 as well, the specific files which time out
[15:50] <janimo> for a long time as in it takes long
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra: GrueMaster: how much memory do we have at the older builders?
[15:50] <ogra> 512M
[15:50] <janimo> I was hoping the new beagle boards would be better but I heard the existing ones also had 512 RAM
[15:50] <rsalveti> hm, same as xm
[15:51] <janimo> so not sure if they help
[15:51] <ogra> and 4G of swamp
[15:51] <ogra> err
[15:51] <ogra> swap
[15:51] <rsalveti> 30G actually
[15:51] <ogra> 30 o_O
[15:51] <ogra> oh
[15:51] <janimo> so no progress until pandas
[15:51] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[15:51]  * GrueMaster thinks swamp was the correct term
[15:51] <ogra> lamont set up some XMs in the datacenter
[15:51] <ogra> i wonder if we could redirect a build to one of them
[15:52] <rsalveti> yup, that's why janimo was happy to test with it
[15:52] <ogra> but to my knowledge they are linaro exclusively
[15:52] <ogra> and wer dont really want XMs in the pool permanently i think
[15:52] <janimo> ogra, I actually saw regular builds on the new machines
[15:52] <rsalveti> hm, I believe they are regular builds
[15:52] <janimo> their names end in *ecae
[15:53] <janimo> or somehting
[15:53] <ogra> hmm
[15:53] <janimo> *eace
[15:53] <rsalveti> but sure, that should be replaced with pandas
[15:53] <janimo> even one panda would help, but pointless to discuss now I guess
[15:53]  * ogra checks https://launchpad.net/builders
[15:53] <rsalveti> panda unfortunately is not stable atm
[15:53] <ogra> GEEZ !!!
[15:53] <rsalveti> because of the mem issues
[15:54] <ogra> 15 builders !
[15:54] <rsalveti> it helps, but not as good as it should
[15:54] <rsalveti> yup
[15:54] <rsalveti> and we're running out of time
[15:54] <ogra> do we ?
[15:54] <NCommander> ogra: me thinks lamont and the rest of IS had fun
[15:54] <ogra> NCommander, rsalveti had
[15:54] <rsalveti> for sure
[15:54] <ogra> providing help to get them up
[15:54] <rsalveti> I helped creating the images and etc
[15:55] <rsalveti> any other point to discuss at this topic?
[15:55] <GrueMaster> heh.  One of them is rebuilding the mdove kernel in natty.
[15:55] <ogra> rsalveti, why are we running out of time ?
[15:55] <ogra> i didnt get that point
[15:56] <rsalveti> meeting
[15:56] <ogra> we're only discussing universe builds, right
[15:56] <ogra> oh
[15:56] <ogra> i thought ftbfs builds :)
[15:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:56] <ogra> NCommander, move !!!!!!
[15:56] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:56] <ogra> yeah
[15:56] <GrueMaster> broken.
[15:56] <ogra> i worked on getting as mush as possible in sync the last days
[15:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:56] <ogra> but there is one blocker
[15:57] <rsalveti> ogra: what about the webkit blocker?
[15:57] <ogra> RB ftbfs
[15:57] <rsalveti> what's blocking that?
[15:57] <ogra> and thus the old RB depends on old webkit
[15:57] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[15:57] <NCommander> (we're going to run over quickly, and I don't want to bump into the tech board(?) meeting that follows this one)
[15:57] <ogra> seb128 promised me a new upstream RB upload for today
[15:57] <ogra> but i havent seen that yet
[15:58] <ogra> if it wont be in by end of my day, i'll unseed RB
[15:58] <ogra> so we will have images tomorrow in any case
[15:58] <ogra> NCommander, move
[15:58] <NCommander> nice
[15:58] <ogra> :)
[15:58] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:58]  * NCommander ha snothing
[15:58] <ogra> GrueMaster, had something
[15:59] <NCommander> GrueMaster: ?
[15:59] <GrueMaster> No, I was just waiting for the othe aob discussions to finish so I could continue QA status.
[15:59] <ogra> NCommander, do something against your snothing :P
[15:59] <NCommander> my what?
[15:59] <NCommander> GrueMaster: GrueMaster we're almost out of time, anythng critical that has to be brought up?
[16:00] <GrueMaster> nope.
[16:00] <ogra> fnish
[16:00] <ogra> :)
[16:00] <rsalveti> go
[16:00] <NCommander> going once
[16:00] <NCommander> twice
[16:00] <NCommander> three times
[16:00] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:00.
[16:00] <ogra> wow
[16:00] <rsalveti> \o/
[16:00] <ogra> thats timing
[16:00] <NCommander> \o/
[19:00]  * charlie-tca__ waves
[19:00] <vinnl> Yay, I'm here :)
[19:00] <charlie-tca__> Giving everyone a minute to arrive...
[19:00]  * micahg waves
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca__.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <charlie-tca__> May as well start in, huh?
[19:02] <charlie-tca__> I am testing pidgin today, so I got two logins in some channels
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] a full agenda for today is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  a full agenda for today is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> I know someday we won't have anymore... :-)
[19:03] <charlie-tca__> pleia2: here?
[19:04] <pleia2> yep
[19:04] <charlie-tca__> converting website to new logo and icons ??
[19:04] <charlie-tca__> We got this one in work now, don't we?
[19:04] <pleia2> yep, cody-somerville got me access to the site and gave me the link to where the drupal stuff is stored in bzr
[19:05] <pleia2> I'm working with knome to get a design put together
[19:05] <charlie-tca__> Great! Thank you for doing that.
[19:05] <pleia2> sure thing
[19:05] <beardygnome> hi, sorry i'm late
[19:05] <charlie-tca__> knome is great when it comes to websites. He was talking about converting to wordpress, at one time, too.
[19:06]  * charlie-tca__ waves at beardygnome
[19:06]  * beardygnome waves back at charlie-tca
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> take the discussion about default launchers to the ML
[19:06] <charlie-tca__> I sent the email out, with rather disappointing results so far.
[19:07] <charlie-tca__> It may come down to deciding here what gets used, which is also fine. I think there is some resistance to change defaults.
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> and, we are actively trying to get thorwil and ochosi together for the wallpaper colors
[19:08] <beardygnome> brb
[19:08] <charlie-tca__> I think that takes of old business, doesn't it?
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
[19:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development
[19:09] <charlie-tca__> mr_pouit: are you available today?
[19:10] <beardygnome> back
[19:10] <charlie-tca__> hmm, well, Xfce announced the release of 4.8 on Sunday
[19:11] <charlie-tca__> It is being packaged for Natty Narwhal first.
[19:11] <charlie-tca__> micahg: did you and mr_pouit get together about backporting it to maverick and lucid?
[19:11] <beardygnome> do you know how that's going, charlie-tca__?
[19:11] <micahg> charlie-tca__: not yet
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> beardygnome: near as I can tell, most of it is minor package updates, mainly language
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> or translations
[19:12] <charlie-tca__> I think if you are running Natty, you are real close to final 4.8
[19:13] <beardygnome> I'm running Maverick at the moment, but I have a Natty VM that's a couple of weeks old
[19:13] <beardygnome> are we OK to start running updates on the Natty image now?
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> There is a ppa for 4.8 in lucid. I do not know the individual with it, nor is alexx2000 a member of any teams. He is new in launchpad as of October 17
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> and I don't know how complete the ppa is for lucid
[19:14] <charlie-tca__> anything else on development and packaging?
[19:15] <charlie-tca__> oops, wrong date there. the person signed into launchpad January 17
[19:15] <charlie-tca__> of 2010
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> We have kept the number of new bugs level this week.
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> As for testing, the images installed one day this week only
[19:17] <charlie-tca__> the running Natty installs are working fine, from what I can tell.
[19:18] <charlie-tca__> I do run Natty on a 64bit system here
[19:19] <charlie-tca__> We should start ISO testing for alpha2 about the 1st of February. Everyone is welcome to help with that
[19:20] <charlie-tca__> any questions on bugs and triage?
[19:20] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:21] <charlie-tca__> vinnl or pleia2 : got any updates?
[19:21] <vinnl> Not me, the only thing I'm doing is posting news messages when needed...
[19:21] <charlie-tca__> We still a Marketing Lead, seriously, for Xubuntu.
[19:22] <pleia2> same as above really, knome is thinking of redoing the whole site so we'll be creating a drupal template and presenting it
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> vinnl: will need an announcement for alpha2 the 3rd
[19:22] <pleia2> not sure about timeline though, he's out of town for at least a week right now
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> Works for me
[19:22]  * vinnl adds to agenda
[19:22] <charlie-tca__> Send any prospective marketing leaders to me, please.
[19:23] <pleia2> I've been working with the -adverts folks some lately, I'll be sure to mention that xubuntu could use a marketing lead if the opportunity arises
[19:23] <charlie-tca__> thanks. We need all the help we can get
[19:24] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Artwork
[19:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Artwork
[19:24] <charlie-tca__> Greybird and elementary fonts are looking good
[19:24] <beardygnome> I'm running Greybird on my Maverick installs and liking it a lot
[19:25] <charlie-tca__> We will be discussing the default launchers next week, for anyone interested.
[19:25] <charlie-tca__> beardygnome: would you recommend it to anyone not yet on natty that wants to see it, then?
[19:26] <beardygnome> it's definitely worth a lokk
[19:26] <beardygnome> *look
[19:27] <charlie-tca__> wOw - a chance to see the new theme, and you don't even need natty installed! and ochosi would appreciate any issues you find, even in Maverick.
[19:27] <WhitePelican> what is greybird?
[19:27] <charlie-tca__> The theme we plan to use in Natty Narwhal.
[19:27] <WhitePelican> ah
[19:28] <charlie-tca__> Learn all about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:28] <beardygnome> here's a link to the latest (I think) version: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <beardygnome> [LINK] http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://shimmerproject.org/hg/bluebird-colors/rev/33411ef772ac
[19:28] <charlie-tca__> Thanks, beardygnome
[19:29] <charlie-tca__> any other questions about artwork?
[19:29] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Announcements
[19:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announcements
[19:30] <charlie-tca__> I sent out the email about voting for Project Lead. Next week will have an vote for the Lead. Thanks to pleia2 for taking on the task of tracking the email votes and negative comments on it.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> Xfce 4.8 is out. It is not packaged for Maverick 10.10 or Lucid 10.04 at this time.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[19:31] <micahg> o/
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> Raise you hand, voice, etc if you have anything else we should discuss.
[19:31] <charlie-tca__> micahg: go ahead
[19:32] <micahg> Thunderbird 3.1.7 translations just uploaded to lucid-proposed, new translations for Gaelic, Galician, and Serbian
[19:32] <micahg> will be in 10.04.2
[19:33] <micahg> if anyone uses those languages and can test, comments welcome on bug 705028
[19:33] <charlie-tca__> That just gets better and better
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> thank you for that information, micahg . Let's hope we get it tested
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> and one more...
[19:34] <charlie-tca__> Ubuntu User Days is coming Saturday January 29
[19:35] <pleia2> oh right, the schedule hasn't been officially posted yet (confirming some final instructors) but I'll be doing the xfce part of a session on desktop options
[19:35] <pleia2> (maco is covering gnome and kde)
[19:36] <beardygnome> sounds good
[19:36] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[19:40] <charlie-tca> hm, well that takes care of my daily power outage
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I apologize for that.
[19:40] <pleia2> wb
[19:40] <charlie-tca> Is there any other business
[19:40] <beardygnome> are the natty repos down at the moment?
[19:40] <beardygnome> i can't get my natty vm to upgrade
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Not that I know, but they been on and off, too
[19:41] <charlie-tca> I use the U.S. archives, and they have been working
[19:41] <beardygnome> is there a newer iso available?  i have one from before xmas
[19:41] <charlie-tca> did we end the meeting?
[19:41] <pleia2> not yet :)
[19:42] <maco> beardygnome: there are daily ones
[19:42] <charlie-tca> and will it work with a different nick?
[19:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: you're the chair :)
[19:42] <charlie-tca> yeah, but what happens when the chair loses the power and goes away?
[19:42] <micahg> er, charlie-tca__ is the chair :-/
[19:42] <pleia2> you'll probably have to /nick charlie-tca__ to end
[19:42] <beardygnome> maco: can you send me the link?
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> I no longer have mootbot
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> #endmeeting
[19:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:43.
[19:43] <maco> beardygnome: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> Thanks, everyone, for being here.
[19:43] <maco> beardygnome: choose daily for an alternate cd or daily-live for a live cd
[19:43] <beardygnome> maco: thanks
[19:43] <charlie-tca__> hm, were we done?
[19:44] <beardygnome> does the current image have the new panel layout?
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> yes
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> I think it does, but it is not yet final
[19:44] <beardygnome> cool, looking forward to trying that
[19:44] <charlie-tca__> It at least uses greybird
[19:45] <charlie-tca__> although the last time, I had to CTRL+ALT+SysRq+k at the login screen to change themes in the desktop
[19:45] <beardygnome> what's that the command for?
[19:46] <charlie-tca__> reset X
[19:46] <charlie-tca__> used to be Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, I think
[19:46] <beardygnome> tanks
[19:46] <beardygnome> *thanks
[19:50] <vinnl> Which is SysRq? :)
[19:50] <beardygnome> i believe it's another function of the PrintScreen key
[19:50] <charlie-tca> yup, printscreen
[19:51] <charlie-tca> It's one of the so-called "MagicSysRq" keys
[19:51] <vinnl> What would be their label on the keyboard? :P
[19:51] <charlie-tca> PrintScreen
[19:51] <vinnl> Ah :)
[19:52] <charlie-tca> or PrntScrn
[19:52] <charlie-tca> older keyboards show both on the same key, PrntScrn/sysRq
[22:03] <Ayrton> pleia2, the meeting for new members is today?
[22:04] <pleia2> Ayrton: yes, in 3 hours
[22:04] <Ayrton> thanks :)
[22:49] <JackyAlcine> O.o I want to watch. Is it for Ubuntu Members or something else?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> It is open to anyone that wants to attend. this will be the Americas Regional Membership Board meeting, so many will not be members yet
[23:02] <czajkowski> JackyAlcine: anyone can idle in the channel
[23:03] <JackyAlcine> :D
[23:04] <JackyAlcine> Funny enough, I'm in North America.
[23:06] <charlie-tca> then you will apply to this board when you are ready for membership
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Here is the information on it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas


[10:35] <JonathanD> morning.
[10:41] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:41] <JonathanD> howdy rmg51
[10:41] <rmg51> o/
[10:41] <rmg51> back to getting up early again after your camping trip
[10:42] <JonathanD> Yup
[10:42] <JonathanD> I was still up at 6 yesterday, I just didn't get online :P
[10:43] <JonathanD> unpacked the car, instead.
[10:43] <rmg51> get your priorities straight
[10:43] <rmg51> first you say good morning here
[10:44] <rmg51> then you unpack the car ;-)
[10:44] <JonathanD> :P
[10:44] <JonathanD> Sorry, guess I left you to fend for yourself all morning eh? :
[10:44] <rmg51> I had to take over for you
[10:45] <rmg51> you started this thing
[10:45] <JonathanD> So I saw.
[10:45] <JonathanD> I appreciate it ;)
[10:45] <JonathanD> Carry the torch, man!
[10:45] <rmg51> either me or Teddy :-D
[10:46] <rmg51> ok, back to reading the paper
[10:46] <rmg51> the main reason for me awake this early
[11:10] <InHisName> Good Morning World!
[11:10] <JonathanD> howdy
[13:01] <InHisName> Dewdy
[13:44] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[13:53] <ssweeny> mmm bacon
[13:55] <SamuraiAlba> has anyone here used Sardu?
[13:56] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.sarducd.it
[13:56] <PennBot> Title: SARDU - Multi Boot USB pendrive and CD or DVD Builder (at www.sarducd.it)
[14:30] <IdleOne> SamuraiAlba: I just recommended http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/  I haven't tried either but they both look to do the same thing
[14:30] <PennBot> Title: YUMI - Multiboot USB Creator (Windows) | USB Pen Drive Linux (at www.pendrivelinux.com)
[14:30] <IdleOne> that is a windows app mind you
[14:49] <SamuraiAlba> :>
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> I give up on Hyper-V. Its limitations are crimping my style.
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> And, Ubiquity kept crashing.
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> Ok, now Ubiquity crashes in vbox. Maybe my ISO is corrupt
[16:35]  * ChinnoDog thinks everyone is sleeping
[16:42] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you have no style
[16:43] <teddy-dbear> the bear is awake
[16:44] <teddy-dbear> the bear just doesn't care :-[
[16:45]  * teddy-dbear doesn't use or know anything about that stuff
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[17:56] <jedijf> ntr-user: welcome
[17:56] <andrew> hi
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: ntr-user?
[17:57] <PennBot> Wish I knew.
[18:29] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Didn't you say 'ntr-user' is a default nick for something?
[18:32] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: it was the old kejava ntr image default. I know of one person who uses it, but ntr recently announced linux desktops for $35 and i wonder if they were using the old image
[18:46] <ChinnoDog> ntr-user: How new is your computer?
[18:58] <ChinnoDog> ntr-user is mute
[19:38] <InHisName> could be stale
[19:39] <ChinnoDog> ntr-user is stale?
[19:41] <InHisName> if it has been three years .  .   .    .    .      version 8.04?   Would you consider that one stale now or modern ?
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> stale
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> ntr-user: time to upgrade
[19:59] <teddy-dbear> time to upgrade to teddy bear level
[19:59] <teddy-dbear> I'm more active ;-)
[20:08] <jthan> Who likes Frank Sinatra?
[20:11] <teddy-dbear> Nancy Sinatra :-D
[20:11] <jthan> lol
[20:11] <teddy-dbear> and a cousin of that silly human of mine


[02:15] <maslen> Hi guys; I'm on Ubuntu 13.10 and thought that this VLC/OpenGL bug might be relevant: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/8952
[02:15] <maslen> Either the VLC dev is making a false assumption or there is a bug in the openGL code it's referencing.
[02:17] <SonikkuAmerica> maslen: From the info provided on the ticket we don't even know if the submitter was using Ubuntu.
[02:18] <maslen> I was using ubuntu 13.10; I filed the ticket.
[02:18] <maslen> x86
[02:18] <maslen> "Tested on Ubuntu 13.10 x86 with the trunk version of VLC with git commit"
[02:18] <maslen> (wow, I was tired when I filed that one)
[02:20] <SonikkuAmerica> maslen: Oh wow, I'm slow. I never bothered to look @ the introductory text. Slap me now.
[02:20]  * maslen slaps SonikkuAmerica with a slimy politician
[02:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Ouch. Thank you.
[02:21] <SonikkuAmerica> maslen: Has a bug been filed against the vlc package in Launchpad?
[02:21] <maslen> SonikkuAmerica: Not AFAIK
[02:22] <SonikkuAmerica> maslen: Well, if it happens again, Apport should appear, if it doesn't, run [ ubuntu-bug vlc ] in a terminal.
[02:23] <maslen> Hmm? That bug was just something I triggered will attempting to build a PoC for (what I'm hoping is) a security vulnerability in VLC.
[02:25] <SonikkuAmerica> maslen: Aaaaaaaaaaand what's stopping you from filing the report in Launchpad? I have a hunch that the Ubuntu devs working on the VLC packaging can direct it to the correct place.
[02:30] <maslen> SonikkuAmerica: Laziness - I'm not going to fight to get a crash fixed. One bug report if sufficient on my end. I'm willing to hand it off - that's why I mentioned it here.
[02:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Believe me, we don't fight. We just get things done :) Besides, we need to reproduce stuff.
[07:45] <sm0x> hey guys, is in the actual daily-build of saucy "Mir" already included ?
[07:47] <bazhang> there's a PPA for that iirc
[07:49] <sm0x> bazhang: thx
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:46] <penguin42> hmm, muon software/updater seems to be hanging for me after doing updates - it just sits there 'Loading software list...'
[12:10] <penguin42> reported as kde bug 322340
[13:54] <jalcine> Hey everyone, got a problem with grub-efi-amd64=2.00-15ubuntu1
[13:55] <jalcine> I'm attempting to use apport to push a bug report now
[14:04] <jalcine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1201112
[14:07] <penguin42> jalcine: You say an error occurs - what error?
[14:07] <jalcine> Well, I'm getting a configuration error, `dpkg --configure grub-efi-amd64` fails each and every time.
[14:08] <jalcine> http://paste.kde.org/pb9b7db8a/
[14:08] <penguin42> right but you say something about ust line 529
[14:09] <jalcine> ah, yes, line 529 within /usr/bin/uct seems to be hit every time
[14:09] <penguin42> so how did you find that ?
[14:10] <jalcine> it explicitly stated that in the console, but after uninstalling (*cringe*) and then reinstalling 'grub-common', the error message went away, but it kept failing.
[14:10] <penguin42> do you have the exact error that uct said?
[14:10] <jalcine> How would I get more output from `dpkg --configure`?
[14:11] <penguin42> it's tricky - that says it's the post installation script - so I'd try running it manually
[14:12] <jalcine> error from /usr/bin/ucfq: "Undefined subroutine &conffile::abs_path called at /usr/bin/ucfq line 529, <HASH> line 21
[14:12] <jalcine> I spelled the file's name wrong, sorry.
[14:12] <penguin42> ahha - ok, add that detail to the bug
[14:14] <penguin42> also say what you did to try and install saucy - is this an upgrade? How? Did you have any ppas installed? Anything else odd?
[14:17] <jalcine> updated
[14:17] <jalcine> is it okay if I gzipped my /etc/apt/source.list.d to a tar.gz for the bug reports?
[14:17] <jalcine> it's nothing big
[14:18] <penguin42> you could do if it was small and you thought it would help (not sure if it would for this)
[14:18] <penguin42> jalcine: you said 'I fixed it' - how?
[14:19] <jalcine> updated with how I did.
[14:19] <jalcine> I just forced it to call the method in question: `Cwd::abs_path`
[14:20] <jalcine> but it didn't change anything, so I undid it.
[14:20] <penguin42> ok, I'll leave that to the grub guys to figure out
[14:21] <jalcine> thanks!
[14:21] <penguin42> thanks for adding the info
[14:22] <jalcine> glad I could help!
[14:27] <jalcine> I'm looking at the postinst script right now, I'd have to manually run this script, you said?
[14:31] <jalcine> AH! man, how would I get in touch with the grub team?
[14:31] <penguin42> jalcine: Well, there is the maintainer address shown on the pacakge, but if you know what's wrong then add it to the bug and I can set the bug to triaged
[14:39] <jalcine> I have an idea of it, I'm updating the bug now.
[14:48] <jalcine> Yup, I think I fixed it
[14:48] <jalcine> it's one number that always get us.
[14:48] <jalcine> I'll continue adding to the bug.
[14:48] <jalcine> I'd send a patch if I knew how.
[14:49] <jalcine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1201112/comments/4
[14:49] <jalcine> that's my results
[14:50] <jalcine> I wish that Launchpad had some kind of markup for the comments.
[14:51] <penguin42> jalcine: so it sounds like you've got two things there, one is ucf that needs to put a cwd:: in, and the other the cut field
[14:51] <jalcine> yup
[14:51] <jalcine> man, I haven't fretted this hard in a while, I was scared I wouldn't be able to boot!
[14:51] <penguin42> jalcine: Can you include your /etc/default/grub
[14:51] <jalcine> sure
[14:51] <penguin42> it sounds like perhaps it's a little odd - I doubt this failed for everyone
[14:53] <penguin42> jalcine: In my ucfq I have the line    use Cwd qw{abs_path};    at line 504 - why doesn't that work for you?
[14:53] <jalcine> I don't have that there.
[14:54] <penguin42> which version of the ucfq package do you have?
[14:54] <jalcine> My last-mod date for this file (in the file itself is) Fri Apr 14 19:30:45 2006 with an update count of 81
[14:54] <penguin42> sorry, ucf package
[14:54] <penguin42> jalcine: What does dpkg -l ucf   say ?
[14:55] <jalcine> 3.0027
[14:55] <penguin42> hmm I have 3.0027+nmu1
[14:56] <jalcine> http://paste.kde.org/pfc50b292/
[14:57] <penguin42> ah, I see - the +nmu1 variety is in saucy-proposed
[14:57] <jalcine> so something got missed! happens to the best of us!
[14:58] <jalcine> looks like I might have to add that sourcelist
[14:58] <penguin42> no, I think it's just that it was fixed recently but not made it into the main release yet
[14:59] <jalcine> ah, so I can wait then
[14:59] <penguin42> ok, so attach your /etc/default/grub
[15:00] <jalcine> attached
[15:01] <jalcine> yup, that debbug definitely is it.
[15:02] <penguin42> jalcine: I don't think the change of the 2 to 1 is needed - that's expecting a package name
[15:02] <jalcine> Well, I wouldn't say it's the solution, but it's what got it working here locally.
[15:02] <jalcine> a hack, if you may.
[15:02] <penguin42> what does    ucfq --with-colons /etc/default/grub | cut -d : -f 2  say to you?
[15:03] <jalcine> completely empty
[15:03] <penguin42> huh
[15:03] <penguin42> ok, what about   ucfq --with-colons /etc/default/gru
[15:03] <jalcine> /etc/default/grub:grub-efi-amd64:Yes:Yes
[15:03] <jalcine> but it didn't show that before
[15:03] <penguin42> ok, that's fine - so why doesn't the cut work?
[15:04] <jalcine> I'm not sure.
[15:04] <penguin42> jalcine: Can you try   echo   red:green:blue | cut -d : -f 2
[15:05] <jalcine> green
[15:05] <jalcine> ah. I think I understand now.
[15:05] <jalcine> makes sense with the old output
[15:05] <penguin42> good, so lets try that    ucfq --with-colons /etc/default/grub | cut -d : -f 2     again ?
[15:05] <jalcine> It was "/etc/default/grub::Yes" originally
[15:05] <jalcine> grub-efi-amd64 outputs now
[15:06] <penguin42> any idea what changed it?
[15:06] <jalcine> it looks like my GRUB config was faulty before but after running the postinst + 'update-grub', it corrected the value.
[15:06] <jalcine> I'm going to say it was 'update-grub'
[15:08] <penguin42> I don't think so, I mean ucf seems to get it's stuff from /var/lib/ucf/registry - not sure what put it in there
[15:09] <jalcine> probably not useful: but my /var/lib/ucf/registry >> http://paste.kde.org/p537092c7/
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh mine has grub-pc - but I wonder when it is added
[15:10] <jalcine> there's only one way I could think of testing this: via qemu + 13.04 to 13.10a1
[15:10] <penguin42> yeh
[15:15] <penguin42> jalcine: I don't know the ucf stuff but I think it's only trying to read the package name just to test if it needs to change the ucf data
[15:16] <jalcine> that looks like the flow, yeah
[15:16] <jalcine> actually, to determine what to do within the postinst script
[15:16] <jalcine> being that there's a HUGE block for grub-pc and then a small on for grub-efi-{i386,amd64}
[15:17] <penguin42> jalcine: grub-pc has had another 10+ years of weird stuff found it has to deal with
[15:19] <jalcine> indeedy
[16:49] <Kow> just going to throw this one out there: anyone had issues with ubuntu 13.10 not booting within the last week or so due to networkmanager? I am using virtualbox.
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> Kow: wfm
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel> strange your stops
[17:03] <FernandoMiguel>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu16
[21:25] <Noize__> Is mir stable enough to use at its current state?
[21:25] <holstein> no
[21:28] <Noize__> What isn't working currently?
[21:29] <holstein> Noize__: if you are looking for "stable", you dont want the development release, or MIR
[21:29] <holstein> !mir
[21:30] <Noize__> Is the development release in 13.10?
[21:30] <holstein> Noize__: 13.10 *is* the development release
[21:31] <Noize__> Thought u mentioned mir dev release
[21:31] <holstein> Noize__: theres a PPA if you want to help test or whatever
[21:31] <holstein> Noize__: MIR is not release yet, so there is only develpment release of that AFAIK
[21:32] <Noize__> I usually stay ahead a stable release,  I just wanna know if 13.10 is usable in a basic sense
[21:32] <holstein> Noize__: no
[21:33] <holstein> Noize__: you should not use the development release of *anything* if you are wanting stability
[21:33] <holstein> Noize__: even if its "fine" now, it can break, anytime
[21:34] <Noize__> Lol I don't mind if it breaks, always looking to help...
[21:35] <holstein> Noize__: OK.. enjoy then. i thought you were asking if it will break
[23:10] <jo-erlend> is the software center broken, or is it just me?
[23:27] <hachre> its broken ya
[23:54] <roasted> hello friends
[23:54] <roasted> I understand 13.10 is getting mir (or has mir?) would it be in a daily image?
[23:56] <FernandoMiguel> roasted: nope. not yet
[23:56] <FernandoMiguel> you can add it via ppa
[23:56] <FernandoMiguel> but X is broken there
[23:59] <roasted> FernandoMiguel: ah I'll be patient. Whenever Mir lands in 13.10, is that something that would require a new daily build install? I wonder if it'll simply come down in the regular update system...
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> upgrades should just be fine
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> my system is from 12.10 +1


[04:15]  * micahg figures there haven't been enough chromium uploads this week and goes for one more :)
[04:20] <jalcine> :D
[07:19] <vibhav> Can I bring unity fixes to precise?
[07:19] <vibhav> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/934061
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <vibhav> dholbach: hi
[08:24] <dholbach> hi vibhav
[08:25] <vibhav> dholbach: Did you recieve my email?
[08:25] <dholbach> yes I did
[08:25] <dholbach> but I received a lot of emails this weekend, so it'll take a while until I get to yours
[08:26] <vibhav> dholbach: Could you write the testamonial until Wednesday?
[08:26] <dholbach> I'll do my best
[08:27] <vibhav> Thanks dholbach
[08:32] <vibhav> Whenever  I aaply a patch, the .diff becomes empty and there is no patch applied , anybody experiencing this problem?
[08:34] <ajmitch> how are you applying the patch?
[08:35] <vibhav> patch < p.diff
[08:35] <vibhav> the file is empty
[08:35] <vibhav> Never mind though I have applied the patch manualy
[08:35] <ajmitch> if it's empty it's not going to do anything, I'd suspect you accidentally did > p.diff instead
[08:37] <vibhav> right
[08:37] <vibhav> I did that
[08:37] <vibhav> thanks ajmitch
[09:40] <danboid> Is aptitude broke in oneiric?
[09:42] <danboid> I've been using a combo of aptitude and apt-get under 11.10 and I've got a number of packages I can't install as its saying it can't install them due to the deps being a bit new that whats supposedly required it seems
[09:42] <danboid> a bit newer, sorry
[09:42] <tumbleweed> yes, if you have multiarch (amd64 will have i386 added as a foreign arch)
[09:43] <danboid> tumbleweed, What if I'm not even running x86 and haven't knowingly installed anything from another arch? I'm running the omap4 (armel) build
[09:44] <danboid> I won't have installed anything from another arch unless someone has mistaken packaged somnething that way in the 11.10 armel repos
[09:45] <tumbleweed> then aptitude should probably work
[10:15] <danboid> A number of packages are broken like libqt4-dev for example - it won't install as it says its deps are a bit too new basically :/
[10:15] <tumbleweed> danboid: can you pastebin the exact error?
[10:20] <danboid> That happens with apt-get and aptitude - apt-get -f install has been no help but yes will pastebin the error
[10:30]  * Laney cuddles pexpect
[10:31] <Laney> automating haskell syncs since 2012
[10:32] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/159427/ uh oh
[10:39] <Laney> In [10]: c[0].comment_date
[10:39] <Laney> Out[10]: u'2011-12-12T13:49:17.718509+00:00'
[10:42] <tumbleweed> Laney: sounds like we should get around to writing that syncpackage module...
[10:42] <Laney> Oakland 2012 :-)
[10:43] <tumbleweed> heh
[11:25] <yann__> Dear MOTUs, please look at this FFe : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/806291/comments/30  . Need ack of a 2nd MOTU , and/or upload to Debian then sync.
[11:27] <tumbleweed> yann__: ScottK and I both commented on that as release team members
[11:27] <tumbleweed> ScottK offered you archive-admin review, if it was a sync from debian, and I offered you an FFe if it was a sync. So what's blocking uploading it to Debian?
[11:50] <Guest52270> Here's an example of the sort of errors I get trying to install certain (mainly -dev it seems) packages under 11.10 armel:
[11:50] <Guest52270> http://pastebin.com/sLKQ8jBZ
[11:51] <Guest52270> I can still install some packages
[11:51] <Guest52270> apt isn't totally fubar - yet - I think! :)
[11:52] <Guest52270> Hopefully I won't have to re-install!
[11:52] <geser> did you disable the updates repository by chance?
[11:52] <Guest52270> geser, Don't think so but let me check..
[11:55] <Guest52270> geser, Ah! Seems I only had 'Important security updates' selected but not the other three so lets see..
[11:55] <geser> 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8 is in oneiric while 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu8.1 is in oneiric-updates
[11:55] <Guest52270> geser, Dunno how it got unchecked
[12:48] <ScottK> tumbleweed: Lack of sponsoring.
[12:52] <tumbleweed> ScottK: yeah, and a package like that probably deserves some fairly thorough review (I wouldn't jump and sponsor it)
[13:06]  * ScottK neither.
[13:26] <jalcine> Is it possible to get the source qt-gstreamer backported to Maverick?
[13:26] <jalcine> Or has there been no interest in doing so? (I'm willing).
[13:45] <ScottK> jalcine: You know Maverick goes out of support in a month, right?
[13:46] <jalcine> eh, I know people who use Gutsy still. :p
[13:46] <ScottK> !backports
[13:46] <ScottK> jalcine: ^^^
[13:47] <jalcine> Thank you *clicks*
[13:50] <genupulas> some one plz http://pastebin.com/Qd2pzRXW
[13:51] <tumbleweed> genupulas: nothing to worry about there, you just didn't have a gpg key for the e-mail address you are using
[13:52] <genupulas> but i have uploaded an GPG key in my LP with that email
[13:53] <tumbleweed> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=raja.genupula%40yahoo.com&op=vindex looks like there are *lots* of keys with that ID
[13:53] <tumbleweed> so it didn't know which one to use
[13:53] <genupulas> https://launchpad.net/~genupulas
[13:53] <tumbleweed> export the ID in DEBSIGN_KEYID
[13:58] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  like this export DEBSIGN_KEYID=92661626
[13:58] <genupulas>  ?
[13:59] <tumbleweed> export DEBSIGN_KEYID=0x92661626
[14:01] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  i did as you said , am i have to do total process again ?
[14:01] <tumbleweed> no
[14:01] <tumbleweed> are you wanting to upload it to a PPA? or just build a deb locally?
[14:01] <genupulas> debuild  -S
[14:02] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:02] <genupulas> i did but same error
[14:03] <tumbleweed> gpg --list-secret-keys 0x92661626 outputs anything?
[14:03] <genupulas> http://pastebin.com/rvRjH8kR
[14:04] <tumbleweed> genupulas: the error seemed reasonably clear: no secret key available
[14:04] <genupulas> yes gpg --list-secret-keys 0x92661626 gave me output
[14:04] <genupulas> it have sec,uid,ssb
[14:05] <yann__> Coming back to Boot-Repair's upload to Debian: thanks Tumbleweed and SkottK for your answers (i was disconnected so i may have missed someone-else answer). As SkottK said, it is now lacking sponsor for upload into Debian.
[14:05] <tumbleweed> genupulas: throw in a -k0x92661626 ? (to debuild)
[14:06] <tumbleweed> yann__: right. But we can't grant you an FFe in Ubuntu unless you can get an archive-admin who volunteers to review it
[14:06] <genupulas> didnt get you , sorry
[14:06] <tumbleweed> and that's far more likely if it comes from debian
[14:07] <tumbleweed> genupulas: debuild -S -k0x92661626
[14:07] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  thats awesome , thanks man
[14:08] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  thank you very much
[14:09] <tumbleweed> genupulas: I don't know why it wasn't finding your key. Maybe someone else has an idea?
[14:09] <genupulas> tumbleweed:  am i able to upload this in my Lp just for trail
[14:10] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:10] <tumbleweed> to a PPA
[14:10] <genupulas> yes
[14:20] <geser> tumbleweed, genupulas: my guess is that the key uid (including any comments) as used in the changelog entry doesn't match a uid on that key
[14:21] <geser> but as I can't find a keyserver which can lookup that key (timeouts), I can't check it
[14:22] <genupulas> export GPGKEY=k0x92661626 duane told me to do that in .bashrc , i did that and i am trying again
[14:22] <genupulas> i will let you know if i got any
[14:23] <genupulas> thank you tumbleweed geser
[14:28] <yann__> (sorry i have connectivity issues)
[14:30] <yann__> here is why i think it would be a good thing to put Boot-Repair in Ubuntu ISO : Boot-Repair is used by ~500 Ubunteros/day, and most of them currently have to download another ISO (Boot-Repair-Disk, or Ubuntu-Secured-Remix) to repair their boot/GRUB.
[14:35] <yann__> it's ok to wait for a mentor to upload in Debian, but this would probably mean no inclusion in Precise ISO. If by chance a MOTU was interested to review it now, i can take time to answer any question.
[14:42] <ScottK> yann__: It's very, very unlikely it would be added to the ISO now as we're well past feature freeze.
[14:44] <yann__> ok, no problem, then. I'll wait for Alessio to finish his exams ;)
[14:45] <tumbleweed> getting onto ISOs is hard, there's a big fight for space
[15:32] <dupondje> dh_installinit -a --no-start --name=cryptdisks-udev --upstart-only -> this installs the script for ALL run levels?
[16:40] <plustwo> if i uploaded a package to my ppa:lpusername and i cannot it is not there, where else could it have been uploaded?
[16:40] <plustwo> or how can i find it?
[16:40] <tumbleweed> if it was accepted, you'd have got an e-mail (within 5 mins or so)
[16:40] <tumbleweed> you sure the gpg key you signed it with was linked to your lp account?
[16:41] <plustwo> i think so, cause it said "Succesfully signed dsc and changes files"
[16:41] <tumbleweed> plustwo: that's unrelated
[16:42] <plustwo> tumbleweed: i'll need to recheck then
[16:43] <tumbleweed> by unrelated, I mean, that means you signed it, not that LP knew who signed it
[16:43] <dupondje> what signal can be used in upstart to start a task after umount ?
[16:43] <plustwo> ok
[16:44] <plustwo> tumbleweed: so i'll need to upload my key to LP?
[16:44] <tumbleweed> plustwo: yes
[16:45] <plustwo> ok, i'll recheck how to do that on the packaging-guide then. tnx
[16:45] <plustwo> tumbleweed: just thinking, will that mean i lost the ppackage?
[16:46] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:46] <plustwo> *ppackage/package
[16:46] <plustwo> ok. will try again then, tnx again
[16:48] <dupondje> any idea's ? :)
[16:51] <thibaud-ecarot> hi all
[17:05] <vibhav> dholbach: Could I PM you?
[17:06] <dholbach> vibhav, sure, if it's quick - I need to rush out in a bit :)
[17:06] <vibhav> thanks
[17:08] <dupondje> No upstart freaks around no ? ;)
[17:12] <plustwo> tumbleweed: the key is in LP, i just uloaded my first package to my ppa as well.
[17:12] <plustwo> it was successful.
[17:16] <tumbleweed> good
[17:17] <plustwo> now how do i ask for somebody to check if there's any mistakes to be relooked?
[18:23] <c_korn> hello, how can I put a directory with spaces in the install file?
[18:23] <jtaylor> you can't
[18:23] <c_korn> :/
[18:24] <jtaylor> if its required you ahve to install it in rules
[18:24] <jtaylor> (or with an executable install file, not recommended)
[18:35] <tumbleweed> or use wildcards
[18:36] <c_korn> wildcards?
[18:36] <c_korn> like ?
[18:37] <jtaylor> file*
[18:37] <jtaylor> standard shell globbing
[18:37] <tumbleweed> this*contains*spaces :)
[18:37] <jtaylor> this?space should work too?
[18:37] <tumbleweed> presumably
[18:53] <c_korn> ok, thank you, jtaylor and tumbleweed
[19:03] <c_korn> does this also work in links files?
[19:03] <jtaylor> no
[19:05] <c_korn> :/
[19:09] <jtaylor> there is dh_linktree in precise for mass linking
[20:23] <chilicuil> hi there, I'm trying to test if an app is completly translated, I do have a chroot environment (pbuilder) with the latest ubuntu version, know how can I installed the 'pt' version for example?
[20:28] <chilicuil> I know that the klavaro package is not complety translated, since I've it in ubuntu oneiric, I'd like to translate what's left
[21:21] <pabelanger> Question about the ubuntu sponsorship process for MOTU, it says to ask for some 'recommendations' to be added to your wiki page.  Should I actively be asking people to add them or do I just sit back and wait?
[21:22] <tumbleweed> when you apply for upload rights, it's usually a good idea to reach out to people who've sponsored several things for you in the past
[21:23]  * pabelanger nods
[21:23] <pabelanger> I feel kind cheesy asking for them, but I guess I have to start
[21:25] <broder> i don't think it's cheesy, especially since it's just part of the process
[21:25] <pabelanger> broder: I feel cheesy, not the process.
[21:26] <pabelanger> Never was one to get signature for a year book :)
[21:26] <tumbleweed> people are supposed to watch devel-permissions, and endorse/comment on applications that they see coming past
[21:26] <broder> tumbleweed: err, wat?
[21:26] <broder> news to me
[21:26] <tumbleweed> but that doesn't happen so much(as far as I know) most endorsements are solicited
[21:26] <tumbleweed> broder: I thought that was the purpose of devel-permissions?
[21:27] <broder> is it? i don't ever remember hearing that i was supposed to be watching it
[21:27] <tumbleweed> "supposed" is a strong word :)
[21:27] <Laney> i don't think so. it's just a public record of applications, but you can use it like that if you want
[21:28] <Laney> i expect people don't announce there until after they've secured some endorsements though
[21:28] <broder> pabelanger: you might find http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi helpful
[21:28] <pabelanger> broder: ack'd