[12:10] <McScruff> lo i mounted an iso image, how do i unmount it?
[12:13] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:13] <ztonzy> Riddell: awake ?
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> McScruff: umount
[12:35] <_joe> Yo
[12:36] <c0rrupt_> finally got this to w0rk
[12:55] <c0rrupt_> hi i just installed kubuntu and my video card runs on the intel 845 chipset
[12:55] <c0rrupt_> xfree86 i810 supports that chipset but im not sure how to get it working
[12:56] <c0rrupt_> is there an easy way?
[12:58] <gdh> it should 'just work' ... did you end up with 640x480 display?
[12:58] <c0rrupt_> yea
[12:59] <gdh> I had that, too - it's a known bug, I think...
[12:59] <gdh> the fix is simple :)
[12:59] <c0rrupt_> i need it on 1024x768
[12:59] <c0rrupt_> heh let me know!
[12:59] <gdh> "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[12:59] <gdh> find 'Section "Monitor"'
[12:59] <gdh> and add this one line
[12:59] <gdh>         HorizSync       30.0 - 80.0
[01:00] <gdh> save (ctrl-x) and restart X
[01:00] <c0rrupt_> =-O
[01:00] <c0rrupt_> tytytytyty
[01:00] <gdh> did it work? :)
[01:00] <c0rrupt_> dunno yet..
[01:00] <c0rrupt_> im making changes
[01:01] <gdh> it's something to do with the i810 driver not reading the monitor DDC data properly on 845
[01:01] <c0rrupt_> ok ill let you know if it worked
[01:02] <gdh> ah hangon, I have an 865...
[01:02] <gdh> ha, fingers crossed, then :)
[01:11] <c0rrupt_> didnt compile..
[01:11] <c0rrupt_> had to remove the line
[01:11] <c0rrupt_> ill try one more time
[01:11] <c0rrupt_> HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0
[01:11] <c0rrupt_> right?
[01:12] <c0rrupt_> doesnt have to have quotes..?
[01:13] <gdh> compile?
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> didnt compile
[01:13] <gdh> what are you compiling?
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> well
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> it wouldnt run
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> at boot
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> i had to take out what i added
[01:13] <gdh> Hm, e.h.
[01:13] <c0rrupt_> hmm
[01:14] <gdh> Section "Monitor"
[01:14] <gdh>         HorizSync       30.0 - 80.0
[01:14] <c0rrupt_> no quotes?
[01:14] <gdh> just like that.
[01:14] <c0rrupt_> k i will try one more time
[01:19] <c0rrupt_> ah
[01:19] <c0rrupt_> it works
[01:19] <gdh> =)
[01:19] <c0rrupt_> thanks man
[01:19] <gdh> no prob
[01:20] <c0rrupt_> having a problem with dhcpd
[01:20] <c0rrupt_> it works but
[01:20] <c0rrupt_> i have to run sudo dhclient in order to connect
[01:21] <gdh> c0rrupt_: check Control Centre -> Internet + Network -> Network Settings
[01:21] <gdh> is eth0 (or whatver) set to dhcp ?
[01:21] <c0rrupt_> prolly not
[01:21] <gdh> in the 'protocol' tab?
[01:21] <c0rrupt_> ill check
[01:23] <gdh> you'll be pleased to know that the 'Administrator mode' button is broken...
[01:23] <c0rrupt_> 0.o
[01:23] <gdh> you need to run 'sudo kcontrol' from a konsole
[01:23] <gdh> allthese are known bugs to be fixed in breezy :)
[01:24] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[01:24] <c0rrupt_> i should just login root
[01:24] <c0rrupt_> i already added a root account
[01:24] <gdh> and just hang a 'pwn me' sign round your neck =)
[01:25] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[01:25] <c0rrupt_> yea maybe your right
[01:25] <c0rrupt_> ;x
[01:36] <c0rrupt_> running kcontrol from console failed...
[01:37] <c0rrupt_> couldnt not connect to x server..
[01:37] <c0rrupt_> could not*
[01:37] <gdh> yes, you have to run "sudo kcontrol" from a non-root shell
[01:38] <c0rrupt_> ah
[01:38] <c0rrupt_> i went root then ran kcontrol
[01:39] <gdh> =)
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> ok i thanks again xD
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> time to set up wireless card
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> =P
[01:39] <gdh> erk :)
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> rtl8180
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> is the chipset
[01:39] <gdh> I know nothing of them =)
[01:39] <c0rrupt_> i know a little
[01:40] <c0rrupt_> maybe my little and your nothing can get my wireless going
[01:40] <c0rrupt_> =P
[01:46] <caeza> hi
[01:46] <caeza> im looking for help with kdm and kubuntu-default-settings
[01:48] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu come with Synaptic package manager?
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yup, kynaptic
[01:48] <c0rrupt_> same thing?
[01:48] <Fraeon> Uh, nope.
[01:48] <gdh> yes, but no, but yes :)
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, it's just the KDE variant
[01:48] <gdh> It's 'Synaptic Lite' ...
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Synaptic's still better though
[01:48] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install wine
[01:49] <gdh> or 'Synaptic: Fisher Price edition'
[01:49] <c0rrupt_> how do i add repositories
[01:49] <gdh> with a text-editor ....
[01:49] <c0rrupt_> oh..
[01:49] <gdh> yup, that's how advanced it is.
[01:49] <c0rrupt_> hmm
[01:49] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[01:49] <c0rrupt_> im begging to wish i had synaptic
[01:49] <gdh> there are plenty pre-defined -you just need to remove the # comments
[01:49] <gdh> you can - just install it- it'll drag in the needed GTK dependencies.
[01:50] <caeza> Fisher PRice edition, LOL!!
[01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I'd best let the big boys handle this :)
[01:50] <gdh> caeza: ;) I'm surprised Kynaptic doesn't play a series of electronic tunes :)
[01:50] <caeza> im trying to cutomize KDM but i cant... it still looking with that ugly kubuntu wallpaper
[01:51] <_pax> gdh: I gotta ask you a favor, you still have the original /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ?
[01:51] <caeza> lol... next Vtech kids computer comes with kynaptic too
[01:51] <caeza> (excuse my english, i speak spanish)
[01:51] <gdh> _pax: er, I use Debian proper for servers :)
[01:51] <c0rrupt_> wines installing ;)
[01:52] <_pax> gdh: samething
[01:52] <gdh> c0rrupt_: you'll want 'winetools', too - it install IE6 + basic Windows DLLs for you :)
[01:52] <c0rrupt_> im trying to get vent to run
[01:52] <c0rrupt_> does it work on wine?
[01:52] <gdh> _pax: not quite :) Debian releases last for 3 years+ :)
[01:52] <gdh> v. important in a production server.
[01:53] <gdh> c0rrupt_: never heard of 'vent'
[01:53] <c0rrupt_> ventrilo
[01:53] <c0rrupt_> for mic communication
[01:53] <gdh> still rings no bells.
[01:53] <gdh> ha :)
[01:53] <c0rrupt_> mostly for gamers
[01:53] <c0rrupt_> my friend has a ventrilo server
[01:53] <gdh> that'll be why - something like 'TeamSpeak' ?
[01:53] <c0rrupt_> exactly
[01:54] <c0rrupt_> currently they only have a win32 version
[01:54] <c0rrupt_> =\
[01:54] <gdh> so you can shout at your friends and scream how you're going to 'frag their ass' ?
[01:54] <gdh> sounds gripping :)
[01:54] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[01:54] <c0rrupt_> yea but we dont use it as much for gaming as much as just chatting
[01:54] <pax> anyone have apache2 installed?
[01:55] <c0rrupt_> its usually hard to understand what one is saying
[01:55] <c0rrupt_> talking out your problems are easier
[01:55] <c0rrupt_> and more understood
[01:55] <c0rrupt_> ;)
[01:55] <c0rrupt_> understandable*
[01:58] <caeza> anybody know about the kdm/kubuntu-default-settings problem?
[01:58] <c0rrupt_> lmao.. turns out there is a linux version
[01:58] <seth_k> caeza, with Breezy?
[01:58] <caeza> Hoary
[01:59] <caeza> and <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[02:00] <seth_k> and what's the issue you're experiencing?
[02:02] <caeza> i cant customize kdm
[02:02] <nocloud> is there a way to change the loginscreen so i don't get the default kubuntu thing?
[02:02] <caeza> nocloud ask for me in an understable english xD
[02:02] <seth_k> nocloud, settings:/System/ > Login Manager
[02:03] <caeza> seth_k, that dousn't work in kubuntu
[02:03] <caeza> doesn't*
[02:03] <seth_k> caeza, it does for me?
[02:03] <lgsobalvarro> aso caeza cual es el problemin?
[02:03] <caeza> jejeje hola, que weno que hablas espaol!!
[02:04] <caeza> seth_k yes, the login manager conf. doesn't works on kubuntu
[02:04] <caeza> lgsobalvarro, que no puedo configurar mi kdm
[02:04] <seth_k> #kubuntu-es if you're going to speak espanol ;)
[02:04] <seth_k> caeza, do you have the kde 3.4.2 update?
[02:04] <caeza> yes i have
[02:04] <lgsobalvarro> seth_k: :-p
[02:04] <nocloud> seth_k...where is the login manager....
[02:04] <caeza> but the kubuntu_default_Settings package overrides my configuration
[02:05] <caeza> always
[02:05] <nocloud> yes!
[02:05] <nocloud> same here!
[02:05] <caeza> yes, same arround the world, i think
[02:05] <caeza> kdm depende on kubuntu_defualts settings
[02:05] <caeza> :(
[02:05] <nocloud> i don't have any package installed either....
[02:06] <nocloud> using the kde that came with kubuntu 5.04
[02:06] <caeza> 3.4.0? is full of bugs
[02:06] <pax> /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[02:06] <caeza> im using kde 3.4.2
[02:07] <nocloud> i think i have 3.4.0.....
[02:07] <caeza> yes
[02:07] <nocloud> is upgrading difficult?
[02:07] <gdh> 5.04 was the first Kubuntu so (major) bugs are not surprising :)
[02:07] <gdh> Breezy in October isn't far away now ;)
[02:08] <caeza> is there a way to make a kdm that NOT depends on kubuntu_default_settings?
[02:08] <nocloud> hmmm, how tough will it be to upgrade to breezy in oct?
[02:09] <gdh> nocloud: not tough at all - that's the whole point :)
[02:09] <gdh> no need to reinstall your whole system every year (a la Red Hat )
[02:09] <nocloud> so...what exactly will i need to do to upgrade?
[02:10] <gdh> nocloud: full details will be posted at the time - but pretty much change sources.list, and apt-get dist-upgrade...
[02:10] <_ben> what is the best kind of file to get for kubuntu (.deb,.rpm, etc)?
[02:10] <nocloud> i won't lose any setting or installed apps right?
[02:10] <gdh> _ben: if you're asking that question, then probably none if the package you want isn't already in the kubuntu archive
[02:11] <c0rrupt_> gdh are the wine tools at the winehq site?
[02:11] <gdh> the 'deb' will assume you're using debian
[02:11] <Ben1842> hm....
[02:11] <gdh> c0rrupt_: apt-cache show winetools
[02:11] <Ben1842> so what to do when it's not included?
[02:11] <gdh> Ben1842: compile from source? you could /try/ the .deb I suppose
[02:11] <gdh> what's the package?
[02:12] <Ben1842> it's a front end for dosbox
[02:12] <Ben1842> thought I'd try it out
[02:12] <Ben1842> I tryed compileing last night and it was a little over my head
[02:12] <gdh> fair enough.
[02:12] <Ben1842> I did it but I couldn't find the file
[02:13] <c0rrupt_> hmm
[02:13] <c0rrupt_> i have a windows license..
[02:13] <Ben1842> and the guy I talked to on here said I shouldn't compile anyway
[02:13] <Ben1842> so I was wondering if there was an alternative like and RPM or something
[02:13] <gdh> Ben1842: Yeh, the compile will just put binaries in /usr/local/bin  .. (when you do make install)
[02:13] <gdh> no, rpm definately won't help
[02:14] <Ben1842> ok so what is my best bet?
[02:14] <Ben1842> for an easy or simi easy install?
[02:14] <Ben1842> of programs not in the apt-get library
[02:15] <Ben1842> or is there an option  lol
[02:15] <gdh> you could try the .deb they supply.. or compile from source :)
[02:15] <Ben1842> I thought compile = bad  lol
[02:16] <gdh> .. not much choice :)
[02:16] <c0rrupt_> does kubuntu need a swap?
[02:16] <Ben1842> nothing in usr/local/bin    from what I compiled last night    lol
[02:16] <caeza> i think i will compile kde from the source
[02:16] <gdh> .. or just learn how to use dosbox from the commandline
[02:16] <gdh> ?
[02:16] <caeza> wothout kubuntu's packeages and settings
[02:16] <gdh> caeza: you're in the wrong channel ;) try #gentoo :)
[02:17] <Ben1842> yeah I know   I can use it from command but typeing gets old after a while
[02:17] <caeza> #gentoo? im not using gentoo :S
[02:17] <caeza> im using Ubuntu
[02:19] <gdh> ... yes I know :)
[02:19] <gdh> recompiling the whole of kde from source is definately outside the (k)ubuntu  philosophy.
[02:19] <Ben1842> ok so then things I compile go to the usr/local/bin   folder?
[02:20] <gdh> Ben1842: that's the normal way - and /usr/local/bin is already in your default path, so you should be able to run the prog just by typing its name
[02:20] <Ben1842> I see
[02:20] <caeza> i dont care kubuntu's philosphy, i want to customize my computer
[02:20] <Ben1842> ok thx alot you have been a huge help
[02:20] <caeza> and kubuntu's kdm is not customizable
[02:20] <caeza> =(
[02:21] <Ben1842> it's not?        how customized do you need to get?
[02:21] <Ben1842> icons themes  widgets
[02:21] <gdh> caeza: How long do you sit and stare at a login prompt for?
[02:21] <Ben1842> what else could you want?
[02:22] <caeza> gdh: but i need the users list because my sister have 5 years old
[02:22] <caeza> and she uses the PC
[02:22] <caeza> and she NEEDS the kdm with the list
[02:22] <gdh> caeza: I'll admit I use gdm because of that feature at work
[02:22] <Ben1842> partiotion out windows for her    she's 5
[02:22] <gdh> so call centre operators who are too stupid  to remember their login name can choose it from a list
[02:23] <Ben1842> LOL
[02:23] <caeza> heh... i want she will use Linux from now =)
[02:23] <Ben1842> well than she better learn to type  lol
[02:23] <gdh> aye, before Billyboy has a chance to corrupt her :)
[02:25] <caeza> I know that i see kdm just a few seconds, but is really really ugly on kubuntu
[02:28] <nocloud> anybody notice that konqueror tends to take up a lot of ram and not give it back
[02:28] <nocloud> and that eventually, ram usage in kubuntu gets higher and higher as your session continues?
[02:29] <T-Bass> haven't noticed it.  you mean as your browse or what?  remember caching is a good thing.  no need to give it back unless something needs it
[02:30] <caeza> yes, kubuntu is like windows with the ram :(
[02:30] <caeza> i have to restart my PC every 3 hours
[02:30] <T-Bass> in this case that's not an insult.  caching is a godsend.
[02:30] <T-Bass> why restart?  exhaust ram?
[02:31] <caeza> yes... it start using 220 MB with amaroK, Kopete and Konqueror. 3 hours later, ram usage is arround 450 -500 MB
[02:31] <caeza> and im just chating
[02:31] <caeza> and listening music
[02:32] <T-Bass> but there's nothing wrong with caching.  not saying you aren't seeing a leak.  but caching is SUPPOSED to happen
[02:32] <T-Bass> the more you use the computer, the more it caches.  disk writes, disk reads, anything it can.  that's the sign of a GOOD design
[02:33] <caeza> but there are no reason to use 500 MB of ram listening music
[02:33] <gdh> caeza: many of the mp3s you're playing will be cached in RAM.
[02:33] <caeza> it apeears to be a mac XD
[02:33] <T-Bass> possibly.  but is it taking up the ram?  or is something else (like disk cache)
[02:33] <gdh> caeza: If any real program wants RAM, the cache will be flushed out
[02:33] <Octane> whats an edonkey client for KDE?
[02:34] <gdh> kmldonkey ?
[02:34] <caeza> i understand, but why 3 "little" apps uses 250 MB and Operating System uses another 250 MB. It's make no sense
[02:35] <Octane> gdh: thank you
[02:35] <gdh> =)
[02:35] <T-Bass> there's nothing little about kde services.  unless you see yourself exhausing ram and dying because of it, it's doing it's job
[02:36] <caeza> that's true
[02:36] <caeza> well, really im not worry about rebooting every 3 or 4 hours. Windows needs to roboot every 30 minutes, lol
[02:36] <T-Bass> it will TRY to fill up ram.  and then if it needs to it'll start flushing cache to load more active programs and swap the other stuff
[02:37] <T-Bass> yuck.  you shouldnt' need to reboot.  in fact, you are slowing yourself down by "manually" flushing your cache.
[02:37] <T-Bass> it was to re-cache everything and then you reboot and start over again.  :)
[02:37] <caeza> oh i see. i have no idea about Linux, i just use it
[02:38] <caeza> then, no more reboots
[02:38] <T-Bass> cool.  well that's a good thing.  the kubuntu disk installer (and not handling RAID well) almost made me not use kubuntu
[02:38] <T-Bass> but i'm glad i did (2 days now).  it's awesome .. mandrake/fedora/suse convert
[02:39] <T-Bass> definately don't reboot.  as long as you have swap space, you'll be fine.  and it'll get faster as you use it (or so the cache theory goes)
[02:39] <caeza> i have 1 GB of swap and 256 MB of ram
[02:40] <T-Bass> you're fine then.  you'll run forever.  :)
[02:40] <T-Bass> let the OS handle figuring out what you are using a lot.  it'll put the most used stuff right into RAM.  and store the other stuff for later
[02:41] <caeza> oh, i see. then, reboot is very stupid :S
[02:46] <c0rrupt_> can i install slackware packages?
[02:46] <c0rrupt_> with kubuntu
[02:48] <Octane> anyone here run kmldonkey on an amd64 machine?
[03:04] <c0rrupt_> whats the command to redetect hardware
[03:05] <c0rrupt_> like pcmia cards
[03:16] <c0rrupt_>  can ubuntu use slackware packages?
[03:16] <T-Bass> if there is a .deb converter for them, sure.
[03:17] <eNiNjA> have you tried alien? works in ubuntu.....
[03:18] <gdh> slackware .pkg's are just tarballs
[03:18] <gdh> mind, I suppose by that logic .deb's are just shar-archives.
[03:19] <gdh> ignore me
[03:19] <T-Bass> gdh: :)  dependencies are impressive .. slack doesn't do that, right?
[03:19] <T-Bass> never ran slack .. well, once a million years ago (1996)
[03:20] <gdh> slack has a faint idea of dependencies
[03:20] <gdh> (yes, me too about 1996 :)
[03:20] <T-Bass> i'm so impressed with the speed of .deb's (or apt-get, not sure which).  but .rpms from mandrake/fedora were so damn slow to install
[03:20] <T-Bass> apt-get flies like no tomorrow
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> ok?
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> well
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> that doesnt help me
[03:20] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install rtl8180 drivers
[03:20] <T-Bass> what doesn't?  alien?
[03:20] <gdh> I did like Patrick's Volkerding's decision to jump eform Slack 3.6 -> 7.0 because MDK / RedHat were up to those versions :D
[03:21] <c0rrupt_> tried using ndiswrapper and the windows binary driver
[03:21] <T-Bass> why not.  he makes it, he can call it 0x5D if he wants
[03:21] <gdh> c0rrupt_: a driver needs to be compiled against your running kernel...
[03:21] <c0rrupt_> so
[03:21] <c0rrupt_> i need to re-config my kernel with the driver and compile the whole kernel?
[03:21] <gdh> so you'll need the source for the driver and at least the kernel-headers package
[03:21] <c0rrupt_> have the source
[03:22] <gdh> no, if the driver isn't a piece of shit, then the kernel-headers should be adequate
[03:22] <c0rrupt_> ok
[03:22] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[03:22] <T-Bass> blech.  sounds terrible.  i'm so "over" messing with kernels.  i gave it up .. a million years ago.  :)
[03:22] <c0rrupt_> well
[03:22] <c0rrupt_> how can i use the kernel-headers
[03:22] <c0rrupt_> there is no kernel source here
[03:22] <gdh> T-Bass: Sometimes hardware gives you no choice
[03:23] <gdh> my brain has just issued a shutdown notification
[03:23] <gdh> so I guess it's time for bed.
[03:23] <gdh> good luck with the driver :)
[03:23] <c0rrupt_> eh
[03:23] <gdh> nn
[03:23] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[03:23] <c0rrupt_> damn
[03:23] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[03:24] <T-Bass> gdh: i hear you.  i won't buy the hardware, or i won't install it.  at least that's what i've been able to do so far
[03:24] <T-Bass> doh
[03:24] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings????
[03:25] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings???? i got stupid yoper's settings......
[03:29] <coolblue> how can i get default kubuntu desktop settings???? i got stupid yoper's settings......
[03:30] <jbasilio> coolblue: what default's are you looking for?  if you really want default, mv .kde .kde.bak and scrape stuff back in for your settings
[03:32] <coolblue> i mean....i want kubuntu's...i got the previous distro's
[03:33] <jbasilio> coolblue: right.  if you do "mv .kde .kde.bak" and log out and in again .. you'll get it
[03:34] <jbasilio> coolblue: then you can copy back in your .kde/share/<whatever> bits in order to restore your apps ... kmail settings, etc
[03:38] <jrattner1> How do you set up hotkeys in  KDE?
[03:41] <Octane> jrattner1: in control center under accessibility
[03:41] <boga> jrattner1: fing Regional & Accessibility and look for Hot keys somewhere
[03:41] <Octane> or in the menu editor under each item
[03:41] <jrattner1> i found that but its actually  a little confusing
[03:42] <jbasilio> here's a question.  where are the menus stored?  i have this "lost & found" in my menu that irritates the hell out of me
[03:42] <coolblue> mv .kde .kde.bak - in terminal? any gui way? what does this do?
[03:42] <boga> jbasilio: Right click on KDE's "start" button and edit the menu.
[03:43] <jrattner1> DO i want keyboard shortcuts or Khotkeys
[03:43] <jbasilio> boga: well, i just want the "default" one.  don't want to edit individual users menus
[03:44] <boga> some software not native to KDE must have been installed. Look for it and uninstall it.
[03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: it moved all of your KDE settings out of the way.  EVERYTHING.  as in all your user settings.  then it will rebuild when you log in
[03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: it depends on how badly you want the defaults.  you essentially have to reenter stuff like usernames/mail etc
[03:45] <jbasilio> coolblue: but you can copy it all back in 1 at a time ..
[03:46] <coolblue> but only for konq? not for ff right?
[03:46] <jbasilio> right.  konq and everything kde related (kmail, kopete, kwallet)
[03:52] <jrattner1> KHOTKEYS is terrible
[03:52] <jrattner1> is there a config file somewhere
[03:52] <jrattner1> i just want to hotkey my browser and stuff
[03:53] <dell500> i'm having a huge problem with my time being correct, how do i fix this?  it's on the right time zone and everything
[03:54] <twidget> I'm only wondering: can you make Kubuntu appear to behave like Mac OS X?
[03:55] <twidget> The dock and such?
[03:55] <twidget> If not, no big deal, like I said: only wondering.
[04:00] <jbasilio> twidget: i've seen screen shots that look like mac os x.  i never worked on it to figure out how they did it
[04:00] <jbasilio> looks on kde-apps or kde-look
[04:00] <twidget> jbasilio: thanks
[04:01] <jbasilio> twidget: sure.  not much help though .. :)
[04:01] <jrattner1> where is the configureation file for khotkeys?
[04:01] <twidget> I'm also toying with the idea of trying Gentoo/GNOME
[04:01] <jbasilio> twidget: you can pull down gnome from kubuntu.  easy.
[04:01] <jbasilio> and you won't need to wait 5 days between package installations .. and your CPU won't fry eggs
[04:02] <twidget> I think I'll try their live CD first, just to get an idea of what it's like.
[04:03] <jbasilio> twidget: you do know in gentoo you recompile everything you want to install, right?
[04:03] <twidget> I'm hoping their screen won't self-distruct 5 minutes into anything.
[04:04] <twidget> jbasilio: I've heard that, but being a newbie, that really hadn't sunk in exactly what it means.
[04:04] <jbasilio> the default ubuntu looks pretty nice.
[04:04] <jrattner1> where can i get the ubuntu smp kernel
[04:04] <jbasilio> twidget: it means every time you install something .. it'll take a LOOOONG time.  hours
[04:04] <jbasilio> twidget: hours for big apps i mean .. kde would be days
[04:04] <twidget> My screen turns to garbage within minutes.
[04:05] <jbasilio> twidget: if you are looking for different "looks", play around with swapping in gnome .. apt-get install <gnome-apps>
[04:05] <twidget> like its copying from an offscreen bitmap, where there isn't one.
[04:05] <twidget> It could be because I'm on an AMD 64
[04:05] <jbasilio> twidget: what video card?
[04:07] <twidget> Um... on the motherboard
[04:07] <twidget> Asus ANI8-SLI deluxe or something like that
[04:08] <twidget> I'm looking...
[04:09] <jbasilio> twidget: ok.  didn't know if it was nvidia and if you had installed nvidia xorg drivers.  if so, agp can be an issue
[04:10] <twidget> I haven't installed anything additional yet.
[04:10] <jbasilio> twidget: was there a special kernel for amd 64?
[04:10] <twidget> what's the package I should look for
[04:10] <twidget> ?
[04:10] <twidget> the CD I downloaded is for AMD 64
[04:10] <jbasilio> oh, that should definately cover it then.
[04:11] <twidget> Crap!
[04:11] <jbasilio> did you google around?
[04:11] <twidget> Slowly but surely, my windows are all turning to garbage
[04:12] <jbasilio> maybe you're having a matrix moment.  :)
[04:12] <jbasilio> can you find the mother board model #?
[04:13] <jbasilio> and video card if possible
[04:14] <twidget> Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
[04:14] <twidget> using the nForce 4 video on the mohterboard
[04:14] <jbasilio> ahh.  so it is nvidia
[04:15] <jbasilio> try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.  in the "device" section, add
[04:15] <jbasilio>         Option          "NvAGP" "0"
[04:15] <jbasilio> this will disable AGP .. i had issues with this also (nvidia, not nforce)
[04:16] <jbasilio> also, did you install the nvidia drivers?
[04:16] <twidget> no, you know where to find the package
[04:16] <jbasilio> if not, read ubuntuguide.org and do what it says to upgrade to the nvidia proprietary stuff ... do that first without the "option" line
[04:17] <jbasilio> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[04:17] <jbasilio> if you've never used ubuntuguide.org it's the most awesome resource around
[04:19] <twidget> how can I edit that file, again? (sorry)
[04:20] <twidget> I'm at a console
[04:21] <jbasilio> i'm guessing you don't know vi.  :)  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:22] <twidget> anything other than nano?
[04:22] <jbasilio> twidget: don't edit it until you do the upgrade to the proprietary drivers
[04:23] <twidget> jeez
[04:23] <jbasilio> i dunno .. i use vi
[04:23] <jbasilio> the proprietary drivers will update it from "nv" to "nvidia" ..
[04:23] <twidget> brb, gotta log off so I read anything... for at least a few seconds
[04:23] <jbasilio> not a big deal .. but try that first.  the nvidia drivers are completely different so that might solve it anyways .. no need to turn off agp and slow it down
[04:25] <jrattner1> Has anyone here ever got KHotkeys to work
[05:00] <nocloud> does anybody know how to change the default application that a certain file type opens with?
[05:03] <jbasilio> nocloud: if you right click on the application->Properties->little wrench thing
[05:11] <_andy> does anybody know how to change the default application to open a certain file type (sorry if i'm asking this again...i got disconnected right after the last time i asked)
[05:13] <Dhraakellian> _andy, in kde, kcontrol > kde components > file associations
[05:13] <Dhraakellian> (also accessible through Konqueror's settings)
[05:15] <twidget> My power has been knocked out
[05:15] <twidget> about 45 minutes now
[05:22] <twidget> In vi, how do you save something once you've edited it?
[05:23] <jsubl2> :w
[05:28] <ilba7r> i am using ubuntu and thinking on installing kde so do you guys recommend kubuntu or just pure kde
[05:28] <ilba7r> what is the adv of kubuntu setting over regular kde
[05:28] <twidget> jbasilio: still around?
[05:35] <hater2win> hey
[05:36] <twidget> Do I following the last step http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver for kubuntu? Or is that just for GNOME?
[05:36] <jsubl2> kubuntu too
[05:37] <twidget> it opens up a new file, then
[05:37] <_andy> i have a question about kopete....
[05:37] <_andy> it doesn't seem to refresh my buddy list
[05:37] <jsubl2> twidget, it is a driver for the X server
[05:37] <_andy> it doesn't seem to notice when somebody signs on or off...
[05:38] <twidget> Mmmmkay....
[05:47] <twidget> When I do "sudo nano /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop" I get a new file. Is that right?
[05:47] <Horizon> hello
[05:49] <Horizon> would anyone here be able to help me with a simple kubuntu issue?
[05:49] <seth_k> sure thing
[05:50] <Horizon> thanks :) I'm a complete linux newb, so please bear with me... I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu 5.04 and when I type startx at the command prompt, I get a 'no screens found' error
[05:51] <Horizon> I think this may have something to do with the install and it not being able to recognize my video card? (ati x800)
[05:53] <Horizon> I chose "automatically partition free space" (or something like that) and it made a 71gb partition and a 3gp swap partition on my 74gb raptor; I started the install after that
[05:54] <c0rrupt_> ok..
[05:54] <Horizon> sorry for the long winded explanation!
[05:55] <c0rrupt_> when trying to login with kubuntu, i type my username and pass then login. the screen goes blank.. then i a few seconds later i am back to the login screen
[05:56] <c0rrupt_> worked fine a little while ago..
[05:58] <c0rrupt_> i went into a root shell
[05:58] <c0rrupt_> then startx
[05:58] <c0rrupt_> and it logged me in as root
[05:58] <c0rrupt_> but i cant get onto my normal account
[05:59] <c0rrupt_> anyone have any ideas?
[06:05] <Horizon> someone able to help with a kubuntu issue? :)
[06:07] <duende> ask the question, if someone knows the answer, they'll answer
[06:14] <Horizon> ok, I'll copy it down
[06:14] <Horizon>  I'm a complete linux newb, so please bear with me... I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu 5.04 and when I type startx at the command prompt, I get a 'no screens found' error
[06:14] <Horizon> * __Ace__ has quit IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
 I think this may have something to do with the install and it not being able to recognize my video card? (ati x800)
[06:14] <Horizon> * __Ace__ has joined #kubuntu
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 I chose "automatically partition free space" (or something like that) and it made a 71gb partition and a 3gp swap partition on my 74gb raptor; I started the install after that
[06:16] <_hater2win> hmm
[06:16] <_hater2win> not sure about that one Horizon
[06:16] <ThunderSteel> hi
[06:17] <ThunderSteel> does anybody here know about the ubuntu services?
[06:20] <ThunderSteel> would like to know about the large amount of services loaded in ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:21] <bpuccio> anyone know why I can receive messages fine over IRC and other chat mediums, but can't with AIM over kopete?  I just migrated from gnome and gaim and everything else seems to work just fine in KDE, but I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't receive an IM, especially when the other computer is sending it across the room and i can see th messages being sent
[06:26] <_hater2win> maybe cuz kopete is t3h suck and gaim will always r0x0r all s0x
[06:26] <_hater2win> lol, just kidding
[06:26] <_hater2win> uhh
[06:26] <_hater2win> ive never heard of that happening
[06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> Why is the ISO image corrupted?
[06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> the i386 install thats officialy on the website
[06:31] <DJ_Stefan0> i just downloaded it and burnt it as it is onto a high quality CD
[06:32] <Horizon> here's another one for you guys then :) I'm trying to edit xorg.conf after a fresh install from the command prompt. My system won't boot into the GUI. I get an error "Could not open file for writing: permission denied" I'm logged in with the username/password I created when setting up the system (at least I think I am)
[06:32] <DJ_Stefan0> it fails to load modules from the CD
[06:34] <Borg^Queen> Hey people
[06:38] <Borg^Queen> I wanted to varify something, If I wanted to bring kubuntu up to a devel plateform just for basic stuff like creating my own packages and the like. I could do that right, the packages are available
[06:42] <Borg^Queen> Hmm anyone alive?
[06:42] <Borg^Queen> Undead?
[06:42] <DJ_Stefan0> or in a state of vegetation maybe..
[06:43] <Borg^Queen> I knew I forgot one
[06:43] <Borg^Queen> It seems like a dead night,
[06:44] <Borg^Queen> Not likely I'll find an answer. Good Night to you Vegetable Man
[06:47] <ThunderSteel> hehehehee
[06:50] <pax> anyone using apache2?
[07:04] <twidget> There's a simple setting somewhere telling music apps and such to enable digital sound output. Anyone know where it is?
[07:05] <twidget> I can't seem to locate it at the moment
[07:07] <hater2win> whats command to delete a directory?
[07:07] <twidget> Nevermind, I found it
[07:15] <propagandhi> can anyone tell me if u should use an SMP kernel if u have a centrino
[07:16] <crimsun> no.
[07:16] <crimsun> linux-686 works fine.
[07:16] <propagandhi> ok, but technically  speaking would it support/benefit from a SMP kernel
[07:17] <crimsun> no.
[07:17] <propagandhi> ok
[07:17] <crimsun> the centrino is a solution. It's a pentium m with an ipw2*00.
[07:17] <crimsun> the pentium m is not smp.
[07:18] <propagandhi> ok, excellent, thats all i need to know, thanks for the help
[07:18] <propagandhi> so when compiling kernel from source i shouldnt enable smp
[07:18] <crimsun> correct.
[07:18] <propagandhi> excellent
[07:18] <propagandhi> cheers for that
[07:18] <crimsun> (not sure why you'd need to compile a new kernel...)
[08:00] <nocloud> if i have KDE 3.4, is it worth my while to upgrade to 3.4.2?
[08:36] <fatejudger> does anyone in here use Kopete?
[08:37] <Jeezis> fatejudger: i tried using it early on when i first switched to kubuntu
[08:37] <Jeezis> but i don't like the interface at all
[08:37] <fatejudger> I can't message people in AIM
[08:37] <fatejudger> like
[08:37] <fatejudger> I can't receive messages
[08:37] <Jeezis> hmm, are you sure you set up kopete correctly?
[08:37] <fatejudger> yeah
[08:38] <fatejudger> I can message people
[08:38] <fatejudger> if I delete their contact name
[08:38] <fatejudger> and then reenter it
[08:38] <fatejudger> I've just been using gaim
[08:38] <fatejudger> it's much better IMO
[08:38] <fatejudger> but the interfaces
[08:38] <fatejudger> don't quite match that of KDE
[08:38] <fatejudger> only gnome
[08:38] <fatejudger> system tray icon isn't transparent
[08:38] <fatejudger> things like that
[08:39] <gman> .
[08:40] <gman> hi
[08:41] <LlukaX> hi
[08:41] <LlukaX> does anyone know how to get a usb wireless connection to work in ubuntu?
[08:42] <crimsun> should just work
[08:42] <LlukaX> it wont detect any usb
[08:42] <crimsun> not even the usb host controller?
[08:42] <LlukaX> and also it freezes at bootup " loading hotplug subsystem"
[08:42] <LlukaX> i have to control c out
[08:43] <crimsun> is the usb net adapter plugged in during boot?
[08:43] <Jeezis> like what protocol to use and such
[08:43] <Jeezis> and are you sure you're logged in? can you see your buddy list?
[08:43] <LlukaX> no, i unpluged it at boot
[08:43] <LlukaX> still happens
[08:43] <LlukaX> yes im duel boot
[08:43] <LlukaX> im in windows right now
[08:43] <LlukaX> dual >_<
[08:43] <LlukaX> lol
[08:45] <LlukaX> any suggestions? or links
[08:45] <LlukaX> ?
[08:47] <_ray> is anyone in here familiar with enemy-territory?
[08:47] <_ray> ?
[08:47] <TestMAD> no
[08:47] <TestMAD> y?
[08:47] <LlukaX> :'(
[08:47] <TestMAD> whats wrong?
[08:48] <LlukaX> cant get the net to work because my system wront read usb
[08:48] <TestMAD> dont have any usb so i wont be much help
[08:48] <TestMAD> sorry
[08:48] <TestMAD> i wonder
[08:48] <TestMAD> !usb
[08:48] <ubotu> TestMAD: I give up, what is it?
[08:48] <TestMAD> guess not
[08:49] <TestMAD> y does it need usb?
[08:49] <TestMAD> got a spare cat5 cable to use instead??
[08:49] <_ray> TestMAD: no nothings wrong.....its just that i cant see any of the same games as people who play te game in windows
[08:49] <LlukaX> too far away
[08:49] <LlukaX> to use a cable
[08:49] <LlukaX> its a D-Link DWL-G120
[08:49] <TestMAD> i wonder if it has ro do with running linux client or win client?
[08:50] <TestMAD> too far away to use cable..??]
[08:50] <TestMAD> how can that be?
[08:50] <LlukaX> a cable
[08:50] <LlukaX> well, i dont own the house to myself either
[08:50] <LlukaX> so ... im stuck with wireless
[08:50] <TestMAD> usb can only go 3ft
[08:50] <LlukaX> its wireless
[08:50] <TestMAD> ok..so whas the deal with usb then?
[08:51] <_ray> TestMAD: it shouldn't becuase there is literally thousands of rooms with millions of people playing they all cant be linux users
[08:51] <LlukaX> thats was what i could afford
[08:51] <LlukaX> :/
[08:51] <LlukaX> a usb transmitter
[08:51] <TestMAD> ok..o you havee a usb wifi?
[08:51] <LlukaX> and the router is a D-Link
[08:51] <LlukaX> yah
[08:51] <TestMAD> what kind?
[08:52] <LlukaX> the router or the transmitter?
[08:52] <TestMAD> trans
[08:52] <P3L|C4N0> model of usb? dwl-120??
[08:52] <LlukaX> D-Link DWL-G120
[08:52] <TestMAD> and the router?
[08:52] <LlukaX> not sure lemme go look
[08:52] <TestMAD> n/m
[08:52] <TestMAD> dont worry
[08:52] <TestMAD> hold on a sec
[08:53] <LlukaX> DI-514
[08:53] <LlukaX> D-Link as well
[08:53] <TestMAD> grr..i hate verizons dns server..it blows..i cant surf..
[08:54] <LlukaX> >_<
[08:54] <TestMAD> does any one know how to list usb devices off hand?
[08:54] <P3L|C4N0> LlukaX, http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=268
[08:54] <TestMAD> thnx for helping..im stuck in xp right now
[08:54] <LlukaX> yes that the thing i have
[08:54] <P3L|C4N0> this?
[08:55] <LlukaX> yups
[08:56] <P3L|C4N0> @google ubuntu+dwl-g120
[08:56] <ubuntu-es> P3L|C4N0: Search took 0.025648 seconds: Ubuntu Forums - Networking: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-18-p-3.html>; Linuxant - DriverLoader for Wireless LAN devices - DriverLoader ...: <http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/wlan/changes.php>; D-Link Forum - User helfen Usern: <http://forum.dlink.de/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=114667&TOPIC_ID=22569&FORUM_ID=20>; LinuxQuestions.org time (2 more messages)
[08:56] <P3L|C4N0> an Linuxant?
[08:59] <P3L|C4N0> --> Added support for 2.6.11 kernels.
[09:01] <LlukaX> so um
[09:02] <LlukaX> anyone know why it could be freezing at boot?
[09:16] <_ray> ok
[09:16] <_ray> u guys up for a question
[09:16] <_ray> ?
[09:17] <_ray> sleeping everyone?
[09:22] <jloden> how do I disable any firewalling? I just want to completely open the computer a few minutes so i can verify the connection problem I'm having isn't from a firewall.
[09:23] <ilba7r> jloden install firestarter
[09:24] <ilba7r> then disable the firewall though if you installed kubuntu without the firewall it should be open already
[09:24] <jloden> ok, will try that
[09:26] <Jeezis> i use guarddog firewall, it's very easy to set up and hasn't given me any trouble
[09:27] <jloden> ahhhhh that was the name of the firewall tool I had before, I couldn't remember anything except the word dog in the name
[09:27] <Jeezis> yup, i recommend it :)
[09:27] <_ray> ok
[09:27] <ilba7r> jeezis firedog has some problems its harder to manipulate if you wana connect to a lan
[09:28] <_ray> say i wanted to open a video file from konq... and i wanted it to open it with xine....but the deafault is noatun...how do i change it
[09:29] <ilba7r> _ray i think right clicking on it than choosing openwith will do the trick you can also change it from the kde control center preferred appl
[09:30] <_ray> ilba7r: yea i want to change it for good
[09:40] <_ray> i dont friggin get it!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:41] <ilba7r> what is your problem _ray
[09:42] <_ray> ilba7r: ok.......i got it so xine is the default....and it works....but when i click on big movies it plays the mp3 file next in the list instead of the movie...if i right click and say open with xine it works fine
[09:43] <ilba7r> lol _ray sorry can not help you there thats wierd
[09:45] <_ray> ilba7r: yeah it really wierd...and it is an avi file...all my short avi files work fine but the long ones dont....and this is the same for any player....kaffine...kaboodle...xine...mplayer...and noatun
[09:46] <ilba7r> _ray join ubuntu and post your question there there are more knowledgeble people then me there
[09:49] <_ray> any of you guys try mepis?
[09:50] <ilba7r> i did
[09:50] <_ray> no good?
[09:50] <ilba7r> it detected my hardware perfectly
[09:51] <_ray> whoa nevrmind i dont like the idea that the latest release you have to pay for
[09:51] <ilba7r> but the community here is much more better
[09:51] <ilba7r> i had too many unanswered questions there
[09:52] <_ray> yeah and kubuntu  is really good........ubuntu worked a bit better for me but gnome is so ugly
[09:52] <ilba7r> _ray you need to get used to gnome to like it i was a kde guy myself
[09:52] <ilba7r> now i hate it
[09:53] <ilba7r> you just need to tweek gnome to your taste
[09:53] <_ray> oh i like gnome.....very much
[09:53] <_ray> its like a tossup right now
[09:54] <Elsidox> u dont need to get used to anything
[09:54] <Elsidox> kde4 is going to be gerat
[09:54] <Elsidox> =)
[09:54] <ilba7r> any way after too many unansered questions on mepis i had to return to ubuntu also they do not teach you there they act like windows just follow what they recommend blindly
[09:55] <_ray> Elsidox: why is there so much hype for kde4 why is it going to be so good
[09:55] <_ray> kde just looks so much better
[09:55] <ilba7r> elsidox the problem with kde that i encountered is not looks its stability
[09:55] <Elsidox> _ray: Because theres alot of rethinking going on
[09:56] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I agree.
[09:56] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I would be on kde right now if it was a bit more stable
[09:56] <Elsidox> i prefer kde over gnome
[09:56] <_ray> ilba7r: yeah gnome seems to be more stable
[09:56] <ilba7r> elsidox frankly me too it has too many short cuts and better integration
[09:56] <Elsidox> im currently running gnome but ever app I have open is a kde app. Kopete, kaddress, amarok lol
[09:57] <_ray> yeah im gonna switch back i think
[09:57] <ilba7r> and the fonts and look is not the same lol
[09:57] <Elsidox> ilba7r: yes. I noticed that. I changed that right away thow when I first ran kde.
[09:57] <ilba7r> basically my only problem is with kile and lyx which i use heavily and look really bad under gnome
[09:58] <_ray> ok lets all just use xfce ........lol
[09:58] <Elsidox> _ray: id do a fresh install of kubuntu if your going to run into kde. Ive ran into problems when installing from apt. It seems less stable.
[09:58] <Elsidox> ilba7r: ive never heard of either of those programs
[09:58] <ilba7r> elsidox do you prefer kubuntu-desktop or just kde
[09:59] <_ray> Elsidox: no im gonna reinstall regular ubuntu and use gnome
[09:59] <ilba7r> elsidox they are both front ends to latex the program i use for writting
[09:59] <Elsidox> _ray: well that works to =)
[09:59] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I like what the kubuntu ppl have done, But I prefer kde deafualts.
[10:00] <ilba7r> _ray a little advise after you set up your pc use rsync to make an image of your home directory
[10:00] <ilba7r> then if you did reinstall you can just retrive your old setting with a touch of a botton
[10:00] <Elsidox> apt-get install lyx =)
[10:00] <_ray> i cant do that now can i?
[10:01] <ilba7r> you sure can if you want your old setup
[10:01] <ilba7r> just create the image on another pc
[10:01] <znh> [10:00]  <znh> !gnome
[10:01] <znh> [10:00]  <ubotu> gnome is, like, terrible
[10:01] <_ray> brb
[10:01] <ilba7r> hopefully there will be no conflicts
[10:01] <znh> rofl
[10:01] <ilba7r> elsidox only if you use latex lyx is the best front end i found for it
[10:02] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I dont do much writing. I just wanted to check it out. I like trying out new program i never heard of.
[10:02] <_ray> wow xfce looks great
[10:03] <ilba7r> ok then check in prefrences install recommended applications too
[10:03] <ilba7r> for it needs imagemagick latex htmllatex and a bunch of other appl
[10:03] <ilba7r> and its not too showy like Openoffice but much more stable
[10:04] <Elsidox> ilba7r: I dislike openoffice. I like stable and simple. =)
[10:04] <Elsidox> _ray: xfce is really nice. I would be using it if it had a better file manager. A better one is being developed thow.
[10:06] <ilba7r> ok take care guys see ya later
[11:06] <fre> kubuntu is great
[11:07] <fre> thanks dudes
[11:44] <znh> gnome
[11:44] <znh> !gnome
[11:44] <ubotu> I heard gnome is terrible
[11:44] <buz> ROTFL
[11:44] <mijndert> _O-
[11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> i lol'd
[11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> :')
[11:45] <znh> mijndert: sweet :)
[11:45] <mijndert> Oh, it's finished downloading..
[11:45] <mijndert> :/
[11:45] <Bubbling_Zombie> start panicking !
[11:46] <znh> !kde
[11:46] <mijndert> I've used Ubuntu (with Gnome) for a while, but KDE works better imo :P
[11:46] <znh> mijndert: I agree, gnome is so slow with many applications openned
[11:46] <mijndert> yeah :)
[11:47] <mijndert> And I hate that you can't edit the panel that much as on KDE
[11:47] <znh> !konversation
[11:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, konversation is a popualr, powerful and user-friendly IRC client for the K Desktop Environment. See http://konversation.kde.org
[11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> !aspell
[11:47] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Bubbling_Zombie
[11:47] <buz> !kopete
[11:47] <ubotu> kopete is probably An advanced and comprehensive KDE instant messenger supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more; see http://kopete.kde.org
[11:47] <znh> !cedega
[11:47] <ubotu> it has been said that cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[11:47] <Bubbling_Zombie> it's a POPULAR SPELLING thingy :sop:
[11:47] <znh> Bubbling_Zombie: why don't you add it to ubotu?
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> humn
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> where's his manual >_<
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> and besides, that was a joke
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> :p
[11:48] <znh> Bubbling_Zombie: lol, just do this: ubotu: aspell is your documentation here
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> aybe later, dinner's ready \o/
[11:48] <Bubbling_Zombie> bbiab
[11:48] <znh> have a nice meal
[11:49] <Bubbling_Zombie> thankyou
[11:49] <znh> !welcome
[11:49] <ubotu> znh: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:49] <znh> ubotu: welcome is something from those weird humans - they never welcome me :-(!
[11:49] <ubotu> okay, znh
[11:49] <znh> xD
[11:50] <mijndert> lol Dutch installation sucks :')
[11:50] <znh> it doesn't
[11:50] <znh> but english is more logical indeed :P
[11:51] <mijndert> hehe
[11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> beh, fake alarm. dinner's not done yet >_<.
[11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> wow, only dutch people on this channel :p
[11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> make that 'dutch speaking'
[11:51] <mijndert> Dutch people are strange >.<
[11:51] <mijndert> Just like me xD
[11:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> they sure are :)-
[11:52] <znh> we humans are weird, I agree
[11:53] <znh> !human
[11:53] <ubotu> znh: No idea
[11:53] <znh> ubotu: human is != me
[11:53] <ubotu> znh: okay
[11:53] <znh> !human
[11:54] <znh> :>
[11:54] <znh> !human
[11:54] <ubotu> from memory, human is != me
[11:56] <buz> !dutch
[11:56] <ubotu> buz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[11:56] <mijndert> lol
[11:56] <buz> !swiss
[11:56] <ubotu> No idea, buz
[12:03] <znh> ubotu: dutch is a language that is spoken in The Netherlands
[12:03] <ubotu> znh: okay
[12:07] <mijndert> Installing Ubuntu base system.. :o
[12:08] <jpatrick> o.O
[12:10] <LlukaX> has anyone had their system hang at boot at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[12:11] <jpatrick> no
[12:29] <nikkia> oops
[12:30] <nikkia> when you change your network architecture, its a good idea to update your system scripts :P
[12:32] <incubii> lol
[12:36] <nikkia> especially, if you happen to have ntpd startup in your runlevel scripts
[12:36] <nikkia> since ntpd just sits trying over and over and over to connect if it fails because of, oh, for example, your gateway being wrong :)
[12:52] <fran> Hi, how can tell kubuntu tu use the standard KDE menu, with kate and kwrite in editors section?
[12:53] <znh> fran: you can edit that menu manualy, in kcontrol ;-)
[12:55] <znh> chaning user, brb
[01:16] <moshe> hello
[01:16] <moshe> is auth.log where to go to monitor ssh connections?
[01:17] <nikkia> yes
[01:17] <moshe> thanks
[01:20] <LlukaX> hey can someone help me, my box wont recognize any usb
[01:22] <OculusAquilae> LlukaX: perhaps
[01:23] <LlukaX> it also locks up at boot "starting hotplug subsystem"
[01:23] <OculusAquilae> hm, have you tried the live-cd before?
[01:23] <LlukaX> no
[01:24] <LlukaX> err.. im not using the proper graphics driver either
[01:24] <LlukaX> and its agp
[01:24] <LlukaX> so there are a number of things that could be causing it to hang up
[01:24] <OculusAquilae> hm, perhaps you can ask in #ubuntu, there are more ears and the problem would be there too
[01:24] <LlukaX> but i cant use usb devices
[01:25] <OculusAquilae> hm
[01:25] <OculusAquilae> don't know much about usb, my devices simpy work :-)
[01:25] <LlukaX> im trying to set up wifi
[01:25] <LlukaX> i have set up all the drivers and all
[01:25] <LlukaX> but it doesnt know when the stupid thing is plugged in
[01:25] <LlukaX> :/
[01:26] <OculusAquilae> is it a wifi stick?
[01:26] <LlukaX> usb wifi transmitter
[01:26] <LlukaX> its supported
[01:26] <LlukaX> i had to use ndiswrapper
[01:27] <LlukaX> also when i type in hotplug
[01:27] <LlukaX> in console
[01:27] <LlukaX> the whole computer starts lagging
[01:27] <LlukaX> and even the mouse jumps a bit
[01:27] <OculusAquilae> have you other usb devices that don't work or have you typed dmesg in the console to see what happened after plugging in the device?
[01:28] <LlukaX> no other usb devices are plugged in
[01:28] <LlukaX> i even tried booting with no devices
[01:28] <LlukaX> and it still freezes
[01:28] <OculusAquilae> hm
[01:29] <OculusAquilae> does dmesg write something directly after plugging in the device?
[01:29] <LlukaX> nope
[01:29] <LlukaX> it cant get that far
[01:29] <LlukaX> i have to control c out
[01:30] <OculusAquilae> no idea
[01:31] <LlukaX> :/ k
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> perhaps you can ask in the ubuntu forum
[01:32] <LlukaX> hmm
[01:32] <LlukaX> well see, i searched the forum
[01:32] <LlukaX> and many people have this problem
[01:32] <LlukaX> but for different reasons
[01:33] <LlukaX> and not one person has solved it
[01:33] <LlukaX> :(
[01:33] <OculusAquilae> hm
[01:34] <nikkia> LlukaX: try taking off the 'quiet' command in grub's boot commands
[01:35] <LlukaX> ok
[01:35] <LlukaX> i'll try that
[01:35] <LlukaX> brb ok?
[01:35] <LlukaX> :P
[01:35] <nikkia> that way, hotplug should report every module it loads, and you might be able to see which module is causing the hang
[01:35] <LlukaX> thanx
[01:35] <LlukaX> :)
[01:35] <LlukaX> brb
[01:41] <LlukaX> hmmm
[01:42] <nikkia> any luck ?
[01:42] <LlukaX> simply hangs up
[01:42] <LlukaX> no explanation
[01:42] <nikkia> are you sure its hotplug that's locking ?
[01:42] <LlukaX> yup
[01:42] <LlukaX> when i control c
[01:42] <LlukaX> and get into kubuntu
[01:42] <LlukaX> i typed hotplug
[01:42] <nikkia> that doesn't necessarily mean its hotplug
[01:42] <LlukaX> well
[01:42] <LlukaX> it locks up
[01:43] <LlukaX> like goes really slow
[01:43] <LlukaX> when i type hotplug withing kde
[01:43] <LlukaX> at boot up it simply freezes
[01:43] <nikkia> hotplug isn't designed to be run on a system that's up, it will likely lock any system
[01:43] <LlukaX> ok
[01:43] <LlukaX> im on dual boot
[01:44] <LlukaX> and i have 6 usb ports
[01:44] <LlukaX> the 2 in the front arent connected to the motherboard
[01:44] <LlukaX> could that be why?
[01:44] <nikkia> shouldn't be
[01:44] <LlukaX> k
[01:44] <nikkia> its probably a module that needs to be blacklisted
[01:45] <LlukaX> >_<
[01:45] <nikkia> it happens sometimes, you probably have some hw that looks enough like some other hw to confuse hotplug
[01:45] <nikkia> the trick is to find out which module is causing it
[01:45] <LlukaX> k
[01:45] <nikkia> which means turning on verbose mode in hotplug
[01:46] <LlukaX> hmm
[01:46] <LlukaX> how do i do that?
[01:46] <nikkia> edit /etc/default/rcS  and change VERBOSE=no  to VERBOSE=yes
[01:47] <LlukaX> and then run hotplug
[01:47] <LlukaX> ?
[01:47] <nikkia> no, reboot :/
[01:47] <LlukaX> err
[01:47] <LlukaX> ok
[01:47] <LlukaX> i'll try that
[01:47] <LlukaX> brb
[01:59] <LlukaX> agp_intel_init
[01:59] <LlukaX> sys_init module
[02:00] <LlukaX> sysenter _past_esp
[02:00] <LlukaX> kernel panic - not syncing fatal exception interrupt
[02:00] <LlukaX> then it freezes
[02:00] <LlukaX> its my video card
[02:01] <nikkia> ahhh, the intel_agp module is not very good
[02:01] <nikkia> add it to the blacklist file
[02:01] <LlukaX> mm how do i add it to black list?
[02:01] <nikkia> edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:02] <nikkia> just add a single line with intel_agp on it
[02:02] <LlukaX> um
[02:02] <LlukaX> it says agp_intel_init
[02:02] <LlukaX> add that?
[02:02] <LlukaX> or intel_agp?
[02:03] <LlukaX> :/
[02:04] <LlukaX> err.. ok i'll just put both
[02:04] <LlukaX> brb
[02:17] <equex> heh this kbinaryclock is cool
[02:18] <equex> using that instead now :p
[02:18] <equex> saw a real one on thinkgeek a while ago
[02:20] <apokryphos> only just realised that ubuntuguide also *only* recommended people to sudo {guiapp} :|
[02:21] <apokryphos> Let's see how uncompromising he is ;-)
[03:02] <LlukaX> wow
[03:02] <LlukaX> thanx
[03:02] <LlukaX> :)
[03:03] <LlukaX> that fixed like almost all the problems on my system
[03:03] <|nikki|> LlukaX: it worked then, great
[03:03] <LlukaX> yup
[03:03] <LlukaX> it even made my wifi card blink
[03:03] <nikkia> the next step is getting the right video driver, and probably, using its AGP port driver
[03:03] <LlukaX> which means its close to working
[03:03] <LlukaX> well im not so concerned with that just yet
[03:03] <LlukaX> i wanna geton the net first
[03:04] <nikkia> hopefully, you have an nvidia card, so that step is really easy :)
[03:04] <LlukaX> then i can figure that out
[03:04] <LlukaX> nope :( ati
[03:04] <LlukaX> but i have the drivers
[03:05] <necrogami> Anyone gonna watch the Brickyard 400?
[03:47] <_orange> mhmhmh
[04:03] <_orange> ...
[04:22] <_StarScream> hi guys, how do i tell my slaptop not to use dhcp
[04:31] <m3pwns> ahh..switchin to KDE made mz daz..>(
[04:37] <Wizzard> hi ppl
[04:37] <guillaume> hi
[05:16] <SudoPus> Been doing some googling to try and find the easiest solution to ripping and transcoding DVD to MPEG2 file....Unfortunately most everything I found was outdated by a couple years...anyone have Kubuntu specific programs I can install and use?
[05:30] <leon> I installed a firewire card in my PC. When I try to capture using Kino it says that raw1294 module isnt installed or that /dev/raw1394 isnt rewritable. How do I find out what the problem is and how do I fix this? Thank you.
[05:37] <c0rrupt_> hi im having a problem with kubuntu.- when i login with my username, all that happens is a console pops up locked in the top left corner.,
[05:39] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: before logging in change your session to KDE
[05:41] <c0rrupt_> ?
[05:41] <c0rrupt_> how
[05:41] <c0rrupt_> it normally is kde
[05:42] <apokryphos> in the KDM Login Screen, make sure Session is set to KDE, then login
[05:43] <apokryphos> it sounds like you logged into Failsafe
[05:48] <c0rrupt_> oh
[05:48] <c0rrupt_> your prolly right
[05:48] <c0rrupt_> -feels like an idiot, but goes and checks
[05:59] <leon> cant setup my firewire card/camcorder to capture. Modules installed at bootup
[06:03] <fre> someone tell me where my kernel source is
[06:03] <znh> hm.. what device is my usb-stick
[06:04] <znh> fre: usealy in /usr/src :-)
[06:09] <fre> nope
[06:09] <fre> root@flight:/usr/src # du -hs
[06:09] <fre> 52K     .
[06:11] <paines> hi
[06:12] <znh> hi paines
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> fre have you dlownloaded it then?
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> *downloaded
[06:13] <fre> the sources?
[06:14] <fre> please tell me where i look to do that
[06:14] <fre> where can i get them
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are in your repositries, but I'm not sure if they are on or off by default. try installing "build-essentials"
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> * no S on essentials
[06:15] <fre> ok :)
[06:18] <nikkia> znh, your usb-stick is likely to be /dev/sda*
[06:18] <fre> can't find it
[06:18] <fre> any tips on what to search for?
[06:18] <znh> nikkia: yeah, I heard it already from someone else - thanks anyway ;-)
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> fre build-essential
[06:18] <nikkia> znh, if you have other usb-storage stuff, it gets a bit messy, i recommend learning udev rule writing for that situation :)
[06:19] <znh> nikkia: ok will do
[06:19] <nikkia> znh: for example, on my system, udev automatically creates /dev/ipod and /dev/memory_card which point to the right /dev/sd?? file for the device :)
[06:20] <znh> nikkia: that's sweet!
[06:20] <znh> nikkia: but I have only one usb-storage, I think udev isn't really needed then
[06:20] <nikkia> znh, yeah, then autofs provides /media/ipod and /media/memory_card as auto-mount points, too :)
[06:22] <znh> k, another question - I find the default window decorations kinda boring.. where can I get some more?
[06:23] <nikkia> kde-look.org
[06:23] <znh> that's not always for debian
[06:23] <znh> sources can't be compiled for a precompiled kde aint it?
[06:24] <nikkia> as long as you have the kde dev packages installed, you should be able to compile themes, as they don't depend on kde sources, just headers/libs
[06:24] <znh> hmm, what package is that?
[06:24] <nikkia> not all themes require compiled stuff tho
[06:25] <apokryphos> For styles and window decorations you'll need to compile, but they're very quick and easy
[06:25] <fre> i can't find my kernel sources anywhere
[06:25] <znh> !kde-headers
[06:25] <ubotu> No idea, znh
[06:25] <znh> !kde-devel
[06:25] <ubotu> znh: Wish i knew
[06:25] <fre> fye
[06:25] <nikkia> znh, you should be able to install the meta-package kde-devel and get all the headers
[06:25] <apokryphos> znh: sudo apt-get install kde-devel
[06:25] <znh> thank you apokryphos
[06:25] <fre> i run the latest version with a 686 kernel
[06:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: woo! I come in second and still get the thankyou :P
[06:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: *grumble*
[06:26] <fre>  /usr/include/linux/kernel.h, ain't that good enough?
[06:26] <fre> nope apparently not
[06:27] <nikkia> fre, what do you need kernel sources for?
[06:27] <fre> compile ndiswrapper 1.2
[06:27] <nikkia> if all you're doing is building modules, you need linux-headers, not the sources
[06:27] <apokryphos> fre: did you sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 or whatever
[06:27] <fre> i have no idea
[06:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: kernel sources are overkill for building modules
[06:27] <fre> used the Kupdate
[06:28] <nikkia> !linux-headers
[06:28] <fre> an't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/build;
[06:28] <fre>   give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make
[06:28] <ubotu> nikkia: I give up, what is it?
[06:28] <apokryphos> oh, ndiswrapper
[06:28] <fre> should i get the linux-headers?
[06:28] <apokryphos> fre: yes, but the respective one for your CPU
[06:28] <nikkia> ah, there it is, i thought there was a meta-package for it
[06:28] <fre> sure
[06:28] <fre> should i remove 386?
[06:28] <nikkia> fre, yes
[06:28] <fre> kernel?
[06:28] <nikkia> fre, up to you, i usually keep it around as a failsafe
[06:29] <fre> :)
[06:29] <nikkia> if you b0rk the modules dir for 686, the 386 modules are 'seperate' so they should still boot
[06:29] <fre> thanks :)
[06:29] <fre> yeah
[06:29] <nikkia> (* except where you've blacklisted stuff with hotplug, etc)
[06:32] <fre> worked :))
[06:33] <nikkia> urgh
[06:33] <nikkia> just spilt coffee all over myself and the keyboard
[06:33] <apokryphos> :|
[06:35] <apokryphos> coffee is hot too :|. Sticky keyboards suck. :(
[06:35] <znh> ok another question, I made my panel 70%, and aligned it to the left - I'd like to put my XMMS at the right near that panel.. but I can't?
[06:36] <apokryphos> znh: (i) you're using xmms? :| (ii) the application launcher, this is?
[06:36] <apokryphos> Just drag it
[06:36] <apokryphos> or, if you can't properly; Ctrl + drag
[06:36] <znh> apokryphos: no I mean the program it self
[06:36] <apokryphos> you want a shortcut on the panel?
[06:36] <znh> apokryphos: nope, I want to put it near the panel, not on the panel
[06:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: the way i read it, he wants :  [panel ................ ]   [xmms]
[06:37] <apokryphos> ahh
[06:37] <znh> nikkia: that's the right way to read it
[06:37] <nikkia> i don't think you can do that
[06:37] <znh> nikkia: aww :(
[06:37] <nikkia> i think the KDE panels auto-move apps out of the way, even if the panel isn't set to 100% width
[06:38] <apokryphos> works fine here
[06:38] <znh> apokryphos: :-/ how?
[06:38] <znh> it's like there is some invisible border
[06:39] <apokryphos> just dragged it... do you have "align to grid" on?
[06:39] <znh> where can I see that?
[06:39] <apokryphos> Right-click -> Icons
[06:40] <znh> apokryphos: right click on what :$
[06:40] <apokryphos> desktop :)
[06:40] <znh> I don't have a 'Icons'
[06:40] <apokryphos> d'oh
[06:40] <apokryphos> erm, are you sure?
[06:40] <apokryphos> right-clicking on your desktop, plain background window
[06:41] <znh> I disabled desktop icons
[06:41] <apokryphos> s/background window/background
[06:41] <apokryphos> ?
[06:41] <znh> ok I enabled them, I have Icons now
[06:42] <znh> I have have Aligned to grid off
[06:42] <apokryphos> didn't know you could disable desktop icons, whatever that means :|. Where is the option for that?
[06:42] <znh> Kcontrol->Desktop->Behavior
[06:43] <apokryphos> and, surely by disabling desktop icons that would mean...... you have no icons on the desktop. Yet you had xmms?
[06:43] <nikkia> i need to sort out my desktop
[06:43] <nikkia> i have about 400 .jpg files in my desktop :/
[06:43] <apokryphos> I have...... none :P
[06:43] <znh> nikkia: start making a porn directory :P
[06:43] <znh> apokryphos: I have xmms yes?
[06:43] <nikkia> znh, um, an ok idea, but i don't think i'd call cd labels 'porn'
[06:43] <znh> porn is a user defined word :-P
[06:44] <znh> w/e
[06:44] <apokryphos> znh: (i) you should really not be using xmms, but (ii) if displaying icons on the desktop is *disabled*, how did you have it there?
[06:44] <znh> apokryphos: I don't want to move a xmms icon, xmms it self!
[06:44] <apokryphos> ohhh
[06:44] <znh> ;-)
[06:45] <znh> but what would you suggest to use instead of XMMS?
[06:45] <apokryphos> amaroK, of course
[06:45] <znh> amarok crashes on start :-/ (it did work for a while -_-')
[06:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: is that what you meant earlier, too? Not the icon
[06:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: actually, noatun is a better replacement candidate for xmms
[06:45] <apokryphos> heh, I've been lost indeed :P
[06:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: yes
[06:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: surely not
[06:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you're replacing xmms' functionality, yes
[06:46] <nikkia> amarok is a great itunes replacement, but itunes != winamp/xmms/etc
[06:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: the average person has xmms to play mp3 files :)
[06:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: different tools, slightly different jobs :)
[06:46] <apokryphos> Though, I know zero people who use noatun for mp3s, other than those who claim so on the website.
[06:47] <nikkia> i have been, recently
[06:47] <nikkia> not with mp3s, tho, but doing the same job as i would with xmms/bmp
[06:47] <znh> I am off for dinner
[06:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: what like?
[06:47] <nikkia> (since i discovered that a fully pimped out kdelibs can handle *lots* of audio formats :)
[06:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: flac, aac, ape
[06:47] <apokryphos> heh
[06:48] <apokryphos> nikkia: your average user (xmms user, even) does not know what they are
[06:48] <apokryphos> you'd really recommend they use noatun over amarok? :S
[06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: my puzzle remains.....
[06:48] <twidget> I'm trying to rip a CD, but kAudioCreator says the Lame encoder can't be found. Am I doing something wrong?
[06:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: if noatun via kdelibs can get tags from, and handle, aac, why can't amarok ?
[06:49] <nikkia> twidget: yes, you don't have lame installed, most likely
[06:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: when I see someone saying they use xmms, I see  xmms = application to play mp3s. So, saying "what's better", I generally always say amarok
[06:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have no idea, I've never tried. Can it not?
[06:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, amarok can't handle aac natively at all
[06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you use the gstreamer output, it can play them, but not handle them in the collection
[06:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, noatun can get tags and everything via kdelibs, so why isn't amarok using kdelibs for MM file access?
[06:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're asking the wrong person :)
[06:51] <apokryphos> a good question to ask them, for sure.
[06:51] <apokryphos> national insurance hyperdrive, of course.
[06:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: i consider amarok development dead, tbh
[06:51] <twidget> nikkia: yep. I thought it was, though.
[06:51] <nikkia> sure, it plods on a little, but noone ever seems to do anything to the millions of reported issues/bugs/feature-requests
[06:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: instead, they concentrate on utterly important things like replacing the splash screen, again :P
[06:52] <apokryphos> nikkia: if anyone asked me a single app as an example of "active devs", amarok comes first to mind. So, suffice it tosay, I have no idea what you're talking about :P
[06:52] <twidget> Is there a WinAmp for Linux? ;)
[06:52] <twidget> LinuxAmp?
[06:53] <buz> amarok? xmms? juk? noatun?
[06:53] <Kaiser_sleep1> xmms or beep media player
[06:53] <nikkia> apokryphos: really? nothing much seems to have changed in 1.3beta since 1.2beta, to me
[06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's unfair, they've done *so* much more than that. No other player has half the features it has, really. Maybe juk :P
[06:53] <twidget> I was commenting on the conversation
[06:53] <buz> the cover fetching feature rocks
[06:53] <twidget> I'm using amarok ATM, but may change
[06:53] <apokryphos> nikkia: in 1.3b3 alone: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/57/66/
[06:53] <nikkia> buz, hardly innovative :P
[06:53] <buz> mhh but it works ;)
[06:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: I've been using it since 1.0, so perhaps that's why. Still. I see new features all the time.
[06:54] <fre> fye
[06:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of that list is eye-candy :P
[06:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: point remains, evidently it's not development dead. 1.2 amaroK only had 3 backends
[06:56] <apokryphos> it has 6 or something now
[06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: i didn't say it was development dead, i said i consider it development dead
[06:56] <twidget> Is there something akin to Quicken in Lunix?
[06:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: because they only add new features? :|
[06:56] <fre> fye
[06:56] <twidget> Linux, rather
[06:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: based on the premise that there are playback issues that have been hanging around since 1.1
[06:57] <apokryphos> nikkia: seems like a seriously big leap
[06:57] <apokryphos> playback issue since 1.1 -> dev dead
[06:58] <apokryphos> I do wonder how they get so much development done, though, really. They're in the channel 24-7
[06:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: call me old fashioned, but i consider 'playback' the principle core of a media player, not eye candy
[06:59] <nikkia> apokryphos: and yes, that means i do find the new BMP fork amusing
[07:00] <apokryphos> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, since I can't see one lingering issue as being indicative of dev deadness
[07:00] <apokryphos> they're quite alive, I assure you -- you can talk to them :D
[07:00] <nikkia> not one, several
[07:00] <apokryphos> nikkia: I have no idea about the issues; perhaps they have reasons. Why not ask them? :)
[07:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: ar well, I'm off for a nap before work. See you later. :)
[07:25] <znh> hmm.. are there variants for 'kicker' ?
[07:29] <znh> brb switching to faster freenode server
[07:30] <znh> hehe from 130ms lag to 20ms
[07:35] <twidget> How would I install this? http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4708&package_id=4715&release_id=345726
[07:38] <incinerator> oh please, that's in universe
[07:38] <twidget> sorry, I'm new to Linux in general and kubuntu in particular
[07:39] <incinerator> just a sec
[07:39] <incinerator> woot? newbs? in irc?
[07:39] <incinerator> ;-)
[07:39] <twidget> yeah, I'll admit it
[07:39] <dutch> ya gotta start some place, just like the rest of the ppl in this channel :)
[07:40] <twidget> yep, that's my attitude
[07:40] <twidget> I'm a regular in #wordpress, and we try not to trash newbs too bad
[07:40] <incinerator> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:40] <dutch> I've been banging my head on this stuff for 2 years now, and still don't know my ass from a hole in the ground...
[07:41] <incinerator> e.g. kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <twidget> I've got the extra repositories
[07:41] <twidget> what's in under?
[07:41] <twidget> it
[07:41] <incinerator> then just run kynaptic or sudo apt-get install kmymoney2
[07:41] <twidget> okay
[07:42] <incinerator> btw, kynaptic is in the "System" section of the kde menu
[07:42] <twidget> there it goes
[07:42] <twidget> thanks
[07:42] <incinerator> don't use kpackage!
[07:42] <incinerator> np
[07:42] <twidget> I'm getting the hang of knaptic
[07:42] <incinerator> btw, always worth to look at the wiki and kudos in particular
[07:42] <incinerator> it sucks
[07:42] <incinerator> i'd rather use apt-get directly
[07:43] <incinerator> but well, me's a long time debian user
[07:43] <twidget> I feel a Sunday afternoon nap about to overtake me
[07:44] <incinerator> btw, http://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php
[07:45] <incinerator> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf.html
[07:45] <incinerator> bookmarke these two pages at once ;-)
[07:45] <twidget> Doing so
[07:46] <twidget> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/amd64.html#amd64 w00t!
[07:46] <twidget> That's what I've been looking for!
[07:46] <twidget> Only one entry :(
[07:47] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[07:47] <incinerator> well, if it's not there you should try the unofficial ubuntu faq or the wiki
[07:47] <incinerator> quite much of the stuff applies to kubuntu, as well
[07:48] <twidget> Anything about not being able to access the hardware clock or some nonsense?
[07:50] <twidget> Well, between nodding off and both my cats acting sleepy, apparently a Sunday afternoon nap is a must, bbl
[08:09] <Edddie> I'm having a problem with changing date/time, it crashes after I enter my password
[08:20] <lluka> YAY!
[08:20] <lluka> :D:D:D:D:D
[08:41] <lluka> hey is there somtehign similar to mandrakes urpmi
[08:41] <lluka> for kubuntu?
[08:42] <lluka> hello? :/
[08:45] <lluka> how do i install rpm
[08:45] <lluka> with kubuntu
[08:45] <lluka> >_<
[08:46] <bbailey> !alien
[08:46] <ubotu> alien is probably a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[08:47] <lluka> :/
[08:47] <lluka> is there anything that can install dependencies
[08:47] <lluka> through the net
[08:47] <lluka> like mandrake has?
[08:52] <buz> apt-get build-dep someapp?
[08:52] <buz> mhh ah no
[08:52] <buz> overkill for rpms
[08:52] <lluka> im trying to get rosegarden4 installed
[08:52] <lluka> :/
[08:55] <buz> oh bloody hell
[08:55] <buz> i accidentally installed the czech version of oo2
[08:56] <lluka> hey how do i switch sound cards in alsamixer?
[09:01] <jharrison> howdy
[09:01] <jharrison> does kubuntu have system tools like in the normal ubuntu?
[09:01] <buz> if they arent gnome specific, yes
[09:01] <jharrison> like the ubuntu update manager?
[09:02] <buz> never heard of that one
[09:02] <buz> we have kynaptic and apt-get ;)
[09:02] <jharrison> so to update the system use kynaptic?
[09:02] <buz> yes
[09:02] <jharrison> also I have the unable to access /dev/dsp error upon logging into kde
[09:02] <buz> mhh no idea about that
[09:04] <lluka> i have 2 sound cards
[09:04] <lluka> and i only want to use 1
[09:04] <lluka> :/
[09:04] <lluka> the onboard doesnt work
[09:04] <lluka> :/
[09:05] <jharrison> I have an audigy 2
[09:05] <jharrison> the user is a part of the audio group
[09:06] <jharrison> not sure why there are errors about unable to access /dev/dsp
[09:06] <jharrison> sound server fails and is using null
[09:06] <jharrison> maybe updates will fix it
[09:07] <lluka> that happens to me when i try to switch cards
[09:34] <_mark> hello anyone... I need help installing a fuji (usb) kamera). none of the supplied drivers "fits" my camera. (FujiFinePix 1400Zoom).One website saysI need to alter the kernel sources. How is this down under kubuntu?
[09:42] <_mark> Testing to see if I am "really" connected.... Is anybody out there ????
[09:42] <Jeevan> no
[09:42] <_mark> Thanks!
[09:42] <Jeevan> you're the only one left on this planet
[09:43] <_mark> Ha Ha....
[09:44] <_mark> Ok. I'mwondering if anyone can help me get a camera installed?
[09:45] <Jeevan> hmm, the package tree already has KDE 4.x in there?
[09:53] <brk3> could anyone tell me what they think of this laptop..?
[09:53] <brk3> http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=EC356UA%23ABA&tab=overview&storeName=&landing=&category=&subcat1=&catLevel=#defaultAnchor
[09:56] <Jeevan> looks to be fine brk3
[09:56] <Jeevan> i'd check if that wireless card is supported in linux though
[09:57] <brk3> Jeevan: thanks. thats what im trying to check now
[09:57] <brk3> laptop seem fairly good specs for that price though ya?
[09:57] <Jeevan> also, if they have nvidia graphics card option, i'd go with that
[09:57] <Jeevan> yeah price seems right
[09:58] <brk3> you have a laptop yourself?
[09:58] <Jeevan> a powerbook yes
[09:58] <brk3> work well with kubuntu?
[09:59] <Jeevan> haven't tried
[09:59] <Jeevan> i use ubuntu on my desktop
[09:59] <Jeevan> which i'm on right now and which i use the most
[10:00] <Jeevan> the powerbook has staye on os x
[10:00] <brk3> ah
[10:00] <Jeevan> from what i hear the wireless card doesn't work with ubuntu on the powerbook
[10:00] <brk3> forgot
[10:00] <_mark> Does anyoneknow how to add a new device under /dev ? don'thave "makedev" for some reason...
[10:00] <brk3> i really want wlan to work
[10:00] <Jeevan> they're reverse engineering the card and making progress though
[10:00] <brk3> would be so cook
[10:00] <Jeevan> yep
[10:00] <brk3> *cool
[10:00] <Jeevan> wireless is very important on a laptop :)
[10:01] <brk3> why isnt there more linux supprot then
[10:01] <brk3> i would've thought it would be top priority
[10:01] <PieD> brk3: linux supports wireless without any problem
[10:01] <Jeevan> because the vendors don't release the drivers
[10:01] <PieD> if you have the drivers
[10:01] <Jeevan> so linux devs have to reverse engineer those things basically
[10:02] <brk3> Jeevan: ya but thats the same for alot of stuff
[10:02] <Jeevan> which is not an easy task
[10:02] <brk3> such a pity
[10:02] <PieD> brk3: not really
[10:02] <Jeevan> 'same for a lot of stuff'?
[10:02] <brk3> well
[10:02] <brk3>  was the same
[10:02] <Jeevan> i've found linux to have excellent support for the hardware i purchase
[10:02] <PieD> wireless cards are more problematic : a lot of chipsets, no standard way of accessing features...
[10:02] <brk3> but devs got it sorted
[10:02] <Jeevan> the only thing I've had a problem with is wireless
[10:03] <brk3> so whats the deal with this ndiswrapper thing
[10:03] <brk3> is it good?
[10:03] <Jeevan> it works
[10:03] <PieD> Jeevan: not for me, I've got 1 peripheral not working out of the box with ubuntu : my wireless card
[10:03] <PieD> the driver isn't provided with ubuntu
[10:03] <PieD> ndiswrapper is dangerous
[10:03] <brk3> why
[10:03] <Jeevan> PieD:  i said "the only thing I've had a problem with is wireless" ;)
[10:03] <brk3> i keep hearing it is
[10:03] <brk3> but not why
[10:03] <Jeevan> how is it dangerous?
[10:03] <Jeevan> from what i've heard it works fine
[10:04] <Jeevan> not the ideal solution of course
[10:04] <Jeevan> but better thannothing
[10:04] <PieD> 1- You launch unknown drivers
[10:04] <PieD> 2- Only available on x86
[10:05] <PieD> 3- Hardware makers are going to say : "our wireless card works on linux", while it's using ndiswrapper
[10:05] <PieD> 4- It's slow
[10:05] <Jeevan> 1) If you're calling drivers provided by the vendors, unknown, then i'm not sure how much more known you can get
[10:05] <Jeevan> 2) True but not a problem for many
[10:06] <Jeevan> especially considering apple is moving to x86 too now ;)
[10:06] <Jeevan> 3) No they won't officially say that  because that brings support responsibilities
[10:06] <PieD> Jeevan: and AMD64 ?
[10:06] <Jeevan> 4) Haven't tried it myself but haven't heard complaints in that area
[10:07] <PieD> it can't be fast
[10:07] <PieD> it's emulation
[10:07] <Jeevan> not really
[10:07] <brk3> later dudes
[10:07] <Jeevan> it's a wrapper
[10:07] <Jeevan> not emulation
[10:07] <PieD> emulation will never be able to do better than native
[10:07] <Jeevan> there is a significant difference
[10:07] <PieD> it will be slower
[10:07] <PieD> you have to translate the driver calls
[10:07] <Jeevan> slower than not using a wrapper of couse but it's far from emulation
[10:07] <PieD> you also have to implement the stupid ntkernel dcalls
[10:09] <nocloud> if i have KDE 3.4, is it worth my while to upgrade to 3.4.2?
[10:09] <PieD> yes
[10:10] <PieD> especially if you use akregator, konqueror and kpdf
[10:10] <nocloud> can you tell me how to upgrade?
[10:10] <PieD> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[10:10] <Jeevan> always good to upgrade to the minor point releases nocloud
[10:11] <Jeevan> usually bugfixes and performance improvements
[10:11] <PieD> (big performance improvements on akregator...)
[10:11] <Jeevan> PieD:  are you seeing kde 4 in your apt tree?
[10:11] <nocloud> okay, so i need to add one line to my sources.list file right?
[10:12] <Poromies> hoi, guys and galls.. anyone have any idea why i get only errors when i add those kde 342 repos to my sources? .. or, i get error saying that my arch (amd64) is not supported?
[10:12] <PieD> Jeevan: who were enough silly to create KDE4 packages yet ???
[10:12] <PieD> nocloud: yes
[10:12] <Jeevan> no idea but i'm seeing it in my apt tree PieD
[10:12] <PieD> and then you start upgrade
[10:12] <Jeevan> unless i'm reading it wrong
[10:12] <PieD> ho, kdelibs4 ?
[10:12] <Jeevan> 'kdelibs4'
[10:12] <PieD> that's a stupid debian package name
[10:12] <Jeevan> yeah
[10:12] <nocloud> what do i do after i have added that line? can i find the package through kynaptic?
[10:12] <PieD> I really don't no why they call it that way
[10:13] <Jeevan> PieD:  what do you mean?
[10:13] <Jeevan> is that just 3.4.2?
[10:13] <PieD> it's kdelibs 3.4.2
[10:13] <Jeevan> lol
[10:13] <PieD> they do that since I discovered debian, and probably before
[10:13] <Jeevan> i came from gentoo so I figured it's version 4
[10:13] <PieD> (so KDE 3.2.2...)
[10:13] <PieD> nocloud: I won't help you with kynaptic, too hard to explain (I'm not used to it))
[10:13] <PieD> here are the command lines :
[10:13] <PieD> sudo apt-get update
[10:14] <PieD> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:14] <Jeevan> (gentoo has kde 4.x in the portage tree masked)
[10:15] <nocloud> can somebody tell me how to become root user to i can edit the sources file?
[10:15] <Jeevan> PieD:  so in debian, the number in the package names themselves don't matter?
[10:15] <Jeevan> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list nocloud
[10:15] <PieD> Jeevan: exactly
[10:15] <Jeevan> good to know, that could have led to more confusion down the line thanks
[10:16] <nocloud> just out of curiosity, what does vim mean/do?
[10:16] <Jeevan> gentoo is the opposite
[10:16] <PieD> vim is a text editor
[10:16] <nocloud> ah, gotcha...so, i could type kate instead of vim and it would still work?
[10:16] <Jeevan> substitute vim with 'nano' if you haven't used it nocloud
[10:16] <Jeevan> yeah
[10:17] <nocloud> so, just for final clarification, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list works
[10:17] <Jeevan> it should yes nocloud
[10:18] <nocloud> allright, off to try it out, thanks guys
[10:20] <Jeevan> i wonder why he needs to disconnect to do a apt-get upgrade
[10:26] <nocloud> i tried using sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and still don't have access to write to sources.list
[10:26] <nocloud> does anybody know of anything else i can do so i can write to that file?
[10:27] <Pierre-Yves> kdesudo kwrite ?
[10:29] <linescanner> any one using Kontact to connect to a Kolab 2 server ?
[10:30] <nocloud> i used the command "sudo su - " to become root
[10:30] <nocloud> now, i am having trouble opening the sources.list file
[10:34] <arnaud> Bonsoir
[10:46] <arnaud> hello
[10:48] <arnaud> Christophe971> t'es  Point--Pitre?
[10:52] <dragec> Hi all
[10:53] <dragec> I have big problems with my kubuntu
[10:53] <dragec> In fact, with apt-get
[10:53] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove):
[10:53] <dragec>  files list file for package `memtest86+' is missing final newline
[10:53] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove):
[10:53] <dragec>  files list file for package `memtest86+' is missing final newline
[10:54] <dragec> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[10:54] <dragec> And I can't do anything
[10:54] <crimsun> erm, what did you do to /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ?
[10:54] <dragec> Already tried to upgrade all packages
[10:55] <dragec> Dunno
[10:55] <dragec> A lot of files in there
[10:55] <dragec> What could I've done?
[10:55] <dragec> Already tried to upgrade all packages, apt downloads them, but cannot install them because of upper error.
[10:56] <dragec> Also tried to reinstall memtest86+ package, but same thing happens
[10:56] <dragec> So, what now?
[10:57] <dragec> I can't remove, install, or upgrade anything
[10:57] <uniq> try do add a final new line to /var/lib/dpkg/info/memtest86+.list
[10:57] <dragec> Always above error appears
[10:58] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove):
[10:58] <dragec>  files list file for package `memtest86+' contains empty filename
[10:59] <dragec> Ok, can someone DCC memtest86+.list file to me?
[10:59] <uniq> removbe the final blank line, and save.
[11:00] <dragec>  files list file for package `libelfg0' is missing final newline
[11:00] <dragec> Shit
[11:00] <dragec> So what, every file misses final newline??
[11:01] <uniq> heh.. try to do the same with that then.. i do not have that problem,.. then again i'm on a stable hoary system right now.
[11:01] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove):
[11:01] <dragec>  files list file for package `linux-386' is missing final newline
[11:01] <dragec> Arrrghhhhhhhh
[11:02] <_jd> how do I right click on a mac?
[11:02] <|rockinnerd|> _jd, hold down button
[11:02] <uniq> f12
[11:02] <|rockinnerd|> oops, thats in OS X
[11:03] <_jd> i mean in kubuntu
[11:03] <dragec> After fixing /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-386.list, this error appears
[11:03] <dragec> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing mplayer-386 (--remove):
[11:03] <dragec>  files list file for package `libreadline4' is missing final newline
[11:03] <dragec> Holy crap
[11:03] <dragec> I'll have to fix all files one by one?
[11:03] <|rockinnerd|> Linux Journal Is Currently Unavailable Due to a Denial of Service (DoS) Attack
[11:03] <|rockinnerd|> Sorry for any inconvenience.
[11:03] <|rockinnerd|> :(
[11:04] <uniq> f12. if your /etc/sysclt.conf contains the lines needed.. i'm not on a mac now, but it's there by default.
[11:04] <dragec> So , what dou you people suggest me to do now?
[11:04] <_jd> that worked, thanks uniq
[11:04] <dragec> Fix files one by one?
[11:05] <_mark> Is anyone on here knowledgable in creating new devices using MAKEDEV ?
[11:05] <dragec> I'll never fix all those files
[11:05] <|rockinnerd|> _mark, google what /dev inode you need to find out the #s you need to specify
[11:06] <|rockinnerd|> but i think you can just cd /etc; sudo ./MAKDEV inode
[11:06] <|rockinnerd|> replace inode with the /dev device u need
[11:06] <_mark> jrockinnerd, not sure what you mean...
[11:06] <|rockinnerd|> look on TLDP.org for inode
[11:07] <|rockinnerd|> Hell hath frozen over: Mac has made a 2 button mouse
[11:07] <_mark> OK. I did this... but it puts all the devices I create into .dev instead of /dev
[11:08] <|rockinnerd|> did u cd to /dev
[11:08] <_mark> yes.
[11:10] <|rockinnerd|> err..
[11:11] <|rockinnerd|> cp it from ur .dev folder to /dev
[11:13] <_mark> jrockinnerd, I did this too. What I am trying to do is to get a digital camera recognized. it should be recognized when I plug it up usb - but it doesn't. another site said to mount it to /dev/sda1, so I am trying to make /dev/sda1.
[11:14] <uniq> _mark: alt+f2 '#MAKEDEV' <enter> find your device section.. and run 'MAKEDEV section' where section can be ie. irda..
[11:14] <uniq> you don't need to make /dev/sda1.
[11:14] <_mark> Ok. I'll try it...
[11:15] <uniq> if it's recognized it'll be automagically created by udev+hotplug.
[11:15] <uniq> if it's not it's not recognized.
[11:15] <uniq> take a look at the output of 'dmesg' in konsole.. to see what happens  when it's inserted.
[11:16] <uniq> inserted/plugged in
[11:16] <_mark> uniq, thanks. I'll try that now. by the way -- I upgraded to 3.4.2 and now "alt+F2" doesn't work anymore!
[11:18] <_mark> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[11:18] <_mark> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[11:18] <_mark> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[11:18] <_mark> uniq, here is what dmesg outputs:
[11:18] <uniq> hum.. can't help you there.. haven't had the time to upgrade myself yet.. girlfriend and work isn't compatible with community work and keeping updated.. :/
[11:18] <_mark> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[11:18] <_mark> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[11:18] <_mark> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[11:19] <uniq> no syncing.. hmm..
[11:20] <uniq> try to modprobe sd
[11:20] <uniq> or something.. i''ll check the module name for yoiu.. hang on.
[11:20] <_mark> FATAL: Module sd not found.
[11:20] <uniq> sd_mod
[11:21] <_mark> uniq, it didn't output anything, but didn'tgive error message either...
[11:21] <uniq> that's good.
[11:22] <uniq> now look at 'dmesg' again.
[11:23] <_mark> nope. same output.
[11:24] <uniq> ok.. then i don't know.. yoiu could check /proc/patritions just to make sure it's not listed there..
[11:25] <uniq> but, i'll have to go now.. sorry i couldn't help you more.. work in 6 hours.. gnite and good luck with your camera.
[11:25] <uniq> btw. you could try to use kamera with PTP mode.. doesn't need it to be recognizerd by usb-storage..
[11:26] <uniq> or just ru gphoto2 from the commandline 'gphoto2 -P' to download all pictures to the current directory. (might need to be run with sudo)..
[11:26] <uniq> and it also might need to be installed first.
[11:27] <uniq> nite.
[11:27] <_mark> thanks for the help.
[11:30] <hater2win> alright
[11:30] <hater2win> so get this
[11:31] <hater2win> i downloaded firefox from getfirefox.com
[11:31] <hater2win> and i install it to /opt/firefox
[11:31] <hater2win> 2 questions
[11:31] <hater2win> 1. can i make it show up in the apps manu... and how?
[11:31] <hater2win> 2. If I can't how do I uninstall it and make the repository one show up in the meny
[11:33] <_silvertear> hater2win: i think i would be better if you did sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:33] <hater2win> bah i tried that, but nothing... thats why i need to know how to uninstall =/
[11:33] <_silvertear> kynaptic package manager will take care of adding the shortcuts and stuff
[11:34] <_silvertear> did you try kde menu editor? i never used it myself but i'm pretty sure it can do it
[11:35] <dull4o4> Hello
[11:35] <dull4o4> Anyone know how to disable quick user change in kde?
[11:35] <dull4o4> ..and get the button "change user" while screen is locked??
[11:35] <EasterSunshine> i don't know about unistalling the one from getfirefox.com, read up on how do it from the website maybe
[11:35] <_mark> dull404, not sure what that is?
[11:36] <dull4o4> press kde-button. the thing just above lock screen (change user)
[11:36] <dull4o4> i dont want it
[11:38] <dull4o4> there is an option for it somewhere cant remember though
[11:42] <dull4o4> anyone know?


[00:02] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: did you not use the latest to build with?
[00:04] <ahoneybun> I did
[00:04] <ahoneybun> you grabbed it as well
[00:33] <cyphermox> clivejo: yes
[01:33] <cyphermox> ahoneybun: I updated lp:ubiquity... if you need to do anything on ubiquity, please use that
[01:46] <ahoneybun> mm
[01:47] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: I'm getting errors about frontends now
[02:02] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: I'll grab the new one and make my changes over it
[02:37] <ahoneybun> cyphermox: I'm hitting : AttributeError in install(): No frontend available
[02:38] <ahoneybun> it 'tried kde_ui'
[02:41] <ahoneybun> pastebin.ubuntu.com/23060207
[21:08] <ahoneybun> so my live image is on 8/6 with a working ubiquity
[21:08] <ahoneybun> I think 16.10.5
[21:08] <ahoneybun> 16.10.7 might not work
[21:20] <ahoneybun> mm so I broke it
[21:23]  * clivejo shakes head
[21:31] <ahoneybun> well it started at least in today's daily image