[04:17] <rww> "Please ask the user to speak in the correct language before firing one of these triggers at them." ~ irc/guidelines
[04:17] <rww> this has to be the least followed rule ever
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> rww: Wait, what?  How am I supposed to do that when I don't speak their language, but ubottu does?
[04:42] <rww> in English, I believe
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> That sounds less than useful.
[04:43] <rww> that would explain why most people don't do it
[17:30] <DJones> ubottu appears to have fallen over, ubot93 is covering
[17:31] <DJones> Nobody else has commented, so just a heads uo
[17:31] <bazhang> yep
[17:32] <bazhang> me and someone else gave an rip
[17:32] <Unit193> I should likely have commented before DJones, thanks DJones.
[19:07] <DJones> Unit193: Can you mute ubot93 now that ubottu has returned
[19:07] <DJones> Or mute ubottu until its stable :)
[19:10] <DJones> Unit193: Just removed ubot93 from #u to avoid the issue with duplicated replies
[23:55] <Unit193> DJones: Yes thanks for removing.


[20:31] <keithzg> I appear to be banned from #ubuntu+1; Is it only for folks that are actual contributors, or do nattering nabobs like me in *theory* have access?
[20:33] <valorie> it's a help channel open to those who need it, keithzg
[20:34] <k1l> keithzg: its for support with the development release. but i dont see why you should be banned
[20:35] <genii> k1l: keithzg and lordievader both are saying in #kubuntu-offtopic they seem to be banned from +1 but I can find no entries for either of them on the bantracker
[20:36] <k1l> keithzg: do you try to join with a differen client?
[20:36] <k1l> *t
[20:36] <k1l> and i cant find any bans mathing on the banlist
[20:36] <k1l> (in the channel)
[20:37] <Pici> keithzg: what exact message do you get when you try to join?
[20:39] <keithzg> Pici: [14:39] [474] keithzg #ubuntu+1 Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
[20:40] <k1l> yep, i just tested it with a webclient. i am banned too
[20:40] <dax> keithzg: try again?
[20:40] <dax> i just did a thing that shouldn't have fixed it, but...
[20:41] <k1l> that was it
[20:41] <keithzg> Yup, seems fine now
[20:41] <dax> bizzare.
[20:41] <Pici> dax: how long was that ban there for?
[20:41] <dax> i set it yesterday
[20:41] <Pici> weird.
[20:41] <dax> someone want to explain to me how *!*@gateway/web/freenode/1.4?.* matches any of those people
[20:42] <k1l> there were people joining in between
[20:44] <keithzg> Hrmm, I'm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so it would appear that it's full-on regex?
[20:46] <keithzg> ie. the "*!*@" matches "keithzg@", and then "gateway/web/freenode/1.4?.*" simplifies to "1.4?.*", "." matches (most) any character so "1.4" matched "184", and then ".*" matched the rest of my IP
[20:46] <valorie> woah, that's so broad
[20:46] <dax> that's not how it's supposed to work. i'm talking to mniip (freenode staff) about it
[20:47] <keithzg> ...not gonna lie though, that doesn't quite work for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so I could be *entirely* off base there.
[20:47] <keithzg> That's just the only way I can make the regex correspond.
[20:47] <k1l> i vote for "ircd going mad" :)
[20:48] <keithzg> heh, that's the most likely theory yet
[20:48] <dax> current thought is bug, they're looking something up
[20:53] <dax> Yep. It's a bug in IRCd-seven that's fixed in upstream charybdis, and triggered partially by me forgetting the ip. in that banmask
[20:57] <Pici> dax: thanks for investigating
[20:58] <dax> and here's me thinking i wasn't going to learn a new thing today :)
[21:08] <k1l> "dear diary, today i broke the irc"
[22:36] <ikonia> hello pavlushka
[22:36] <pavlushka> Hello ikonia !
[22:37] <ikonia> is there a reason you've joined #ubuntu-ops today ?
[22:39] <pavlushka> ikonia: yep, to report some channel issue, but that's done, I forget to quit actually, :)
[22:39] <ikonia> no big deal
[22:40] <pavlushka> and they tell me to report it in #canonical-sysadmin
[22:40] <pavlushka> :)
[22:41] <ikonia> as long as your sorted/fixed now
[22:42] <pavlushka> yep
[22:42] <pavlushka> ikonia: see ya then, tc


[11:06] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:59] <Belserusk> Does anyone here still use 10.04?
[14:59]  * s-fox does not.
[14:59] <Pici> On one of my installs.
[15:00] <Belserusk> What has been your favorite Ubuntu version to date?
[15:03] <s-fox> 7.10
[15:04] <Pici> I'm not sure if I have a favorite.
[15:07] <Belserusk> s-fox, that was my first Ubuntu. ^_^
[15:33] <iceflatline> I use 10.04.
[15:52] <FTMichael> When I drop to the command line by pressing Ctrl Alt F1, how do I then get back into the GUI?
[16:29] <Bachstelze> FTMichael: Ctrl+Alt+F7
[16:29] <Bachstelze> or maybe F8
[16:29] <Bachstelze> but a large F
[16:29] <FTMichael> Thanks, found it :)
[16:29] <FTMichael> It was F8
[16:30] <FTMichael> The screensaver has been crashing in Natty semi-regularly and I've had to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, which I'd rather not do. I'm hoping just switching back and forth between F1 and F8 will bring it back
[16:31]  * Bachstelze has yet to try natty on a desktop
[16:31] <Bachstelze> I haven't tried it yet because it has firefox 4 and the 4chan add on isn't compatible with it
[16:31] <Bachstelze> but apparently a new version is out so now i can switch :D
[16:32] <FTMichael> yay
[16:32] <Bachstelze> I switched my servers long ago of course
[18:53] <Belserusk> Does anyone know the difference between GTK 1.x and GTK 2.x and GTK 3.x  on http://gnome-look.org/?


[00:11] <michaelh1> Hey, I'm getting a timeout error when trying to attach a GCC bugzilla entry to a gcc-linaro launchpad ticket
[00:12] <ovnicraft> hello i am trying to branch a project bzr branch lp:openobject-server/6.0 and tell me is not a branch
[00:13] <MarkAtwood> im unable to push or pull from bzr on launchpad
[00:13] <wgrant> MarkAtwood, ovnicraft: Launchpad is still coming up from maintenance.
[00:13] <wgrant> Codehosting is not quite back yet.
[00:13] <wgrant> michaelh1: Do you have an OOPS ID?
[00:13] <MarkAtwood> does launchpad have a "launchpad is up/down" url that can be checked?
[00:13] <wgrant> http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus
[00:13] <ovnicraft> wgrant, ok
[00:14] <michaelh1> wgrant: I didn't write it down, but on refresh I see the bugzilla ticket has been attached...
[00:15] <michaelh1> wgrant: oh, cancel that, too many tabs open.  Reproducing...
[00:15] <MarkAtwood> ty
[00:15] <michaelh1> wgrant: Error ID: OOPS-1985CE168
[00:16] <wgrant> michaelh1: Thanks, looking.
[00:17] <ovnicraft> wgrant, there are people who don't want to use that social network called indeti.ca
[00:17] <ovnicraft> identi.ca*
[00:17] <MarkAtwood> ovnicraft, you dont need an account to look at a feed on it
[00:17] <MarkAtwood> and its also on twitter
[00:18] <MarkAtwood> which you also dont need an account to look at a status
[00:18] <ovnicraft> that its better

[00:20] <wgrant> ovnicraft: Major downtime like this is also announced on https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-announce. But identi.ca is accessible to anybody in a web browser or as RSS/Atom feeds.
[00:20] <wgrant> And it has everything.
[00:21] <ovnicraft> i prefer follow the twitter aaccount
[00:21] <wgrant> Or that.
[00:42] <W3ird_N3rd> hmm.. er is dus toch iets aan de fritzbox wat niet is in te stellen
[00:43] <W3ird_N3rd> sorry wrong chan
[02:13] <komputes> The project Twinkle (C#) https://launchpad.net/twinkle is incorrectly the upstream link and suggested upstream for twinkle (sip) https://launchpad.net/twinkle/+packages. How can I correct this?
[02:21] <spiv> komputes: is the right upstream registered in Launchpad?
[02:22] <komputes> spiv: not sure, couldn't find it - correct upstream is http://mfnboer.home.xs4all.nl/twinkle/index.html although i'm emailing the maintainer to find out where he wants bugs reported
[02:23] <spiv> Basically the page to edit the upstream link are https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/twinkle/+edit-packaging etc
[02:24] <spiv> I guess if upstream doesn't publish their branches there's not much we can do (except remove the incorrect link, of course)
[02:25] <komputes> spiv: can you please do that for now?
[02:25] <spiv> Ok.
[02:25] <komputes> once i get the maintainer's response, I'll register the project with the bug URL
[02:26] <komputes> publishing branches upstream is not a requirement to register a project is it?
[02:26] <spiv> No
[02:26] <spiv> It just makes it more useful :)
[02:26] <spiv> Ok, links deleted I tihnk
[02:28] <spiv> komputes: I suppose the link between launchpad.net/twinkle and the 'wink' source package in hardy is also wrong?
[02:29] <komputes> spiv: seems that way to me, i don't see a relation
[02:30] <spiv> That's what I thought.  Ok, I've removed that one too.
[02:37] <michaelh1> wgrant: hey, I'm getting the same timeout on a different bug when adding http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=49030 to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5/+bug/689887/+choose-affected-product
[02:37] <michaelh1> wgrant: Error ID: OOPS-1986DX6
[02:38] <wgrant> michaelh1: Hm, that's not good. Thanks, we're investigating.
[02:40] <komputes> spiv: error ID OOPS-1986CC7 after creating the project
[02:41] <wgrant> komputes: Where did you get that link?
[02:42] <wgrant> There's a ' ' instead of a '+' in the URL.
[02:42] <lifeless> michaelh1: what were you adding the task onto ?
[02:42] <michaelh1> lifeless: gcc upstream
[02:43] <lifeless> so a bugwatch
[02:43] <michaelh1> lifeless: yes
[02:55] <bryceh> lifeless, bug #794802 looks kinda bad
[02:56] <bryceh> lifeless, I think it might be a regression from today's launchpad update
[02:56] <wgrant> bryceh: We're investigating that now.
[02:56] <wgrant> It is.
[02:56] <bryceh> wgrant, ok great
[04:12] <lifeless> bryceh: michaelh1: we've updated part of the db schema - this should help with the issue
[04:52] <james_w> were there any API/blueprint related changes in either of the rollouts?
[04:52] <james_w> we're seeing some odd behaviour correlated with the time of the rollout
[04:52] <wgrant> james_w: What's the issue?
[04:52] <james_w> specifically some sort of double reporting
[04:52] <james_w> I haven't really verified with the URL yet
[04:53] <james_w> API I mean
[04:53] <james_w> http://status.chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu-oneiric/
[04:53] <james_w> you can see on the graph that it has just doubled in size, and this is because the db is getting double entries
[04:53] <wgrant> james_w: Interesting. Nothing like that should have changed.
[04:57] <james_w> wgrant, ok, I'll keep digging
[05:09] <poolie> o/ james_w
[05:09] <james_w> hi
[05:29] <james_w> ok, so it's not launchpad
[05:29] <james_w> just some code I added today that is behaving completely not as expected
[09:25] <jdobrien> e
[09:39] <ara> Hello guys! I have seen that bug 151129 is marked as Fix Released \o/
[09:39] <ara> Now... how do I subscribe to a tag?
[09:39] <ara> I have been looking around the UI, but I don't seem to find it
[09:40] <maxb> ara: The new UI may not have been turned on for everyone yet
[09:41] <ara> But I can see the new options in Edit bug mail, i.e.
[09:42] <maxb> If you go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/some-project, and click "Subscribe to bug mail", do you see "(more options...)" at the bottom?
[09:44] <ara> no :(
[09:44] <ara> OK, I guess I'll just wait
[09:44] <ara> thanks
[09:44] <lifeless> its on for everyone
[09:45] <lifeless> ara: what project are you trying to subscribe to tags on ?
[09:45] <ara> I tried Ubuntu (in general) and in the linux package specifically as well
[09:46] <lifeless> ara: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux, top right you should see
[09:46] <lifeless> View full publishing history
[09:46] <lifeless> View full change log
[09:46] <lifeless> Subscribe to bug mail
[09:46] <lifeless> Edit bug mail
[09:46] <lifeless> Configure bug tracker
[09:46] <lifeless> do you ?
[09:47] <ara> ah, OK, I was looking at bugs.lp.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[09:47] <lifeless> UI fail
[09:47] <ara> mmm, a bit confusing that it is not under bugs
[09:47] <wgrant> maxb: It's been turned on for everyone for a few hours.
[09:47] <lifeless> sorry!
[09:48] <lifeless> ara: well, its not meant to be bug specific
[09:48] <lifeless> but we only funded the bugs part of it so far
[09:48] <wgrant> ara: The links are there too.
[09:48] <ara> lifeless, still, I can't see where to subscribe to a particular ta
[09:48] <ara> g
[09:48] <wgrant> ara: What happens if you edit your subscription on "Edit bug mail"?
[09:48] <lifeless> under the bug counts
[09:49] <lifeless> ara: click on 'are added or changed in any way'
[09:49] <lifeless> ara: then 'bugs must match this filter'
[09:49] <lifeless> then tags
[09:49] <ara> lifeless, OK, found, thanks
[09:50] <ara> thanks for the support
[09:51] <lifeless> de nada
[10:41] <apw> is it known that you cannot change status on any task on a bug with nominations ?  (at least thats how it seems)
[10:44] <lifeless> apw: see topic
[10:46] <apw> lifeless, eta for the fix to roll, as not one bug i want to change is changable and i can only queue so many updates in my head
[10:47] <lifeless> we're qaing the fix at the moment
[10:47] <apw> so is that 3 hours best case or 1, wondering how long to go away for
[10:48] <lifeless> 15 minutes?
[10:48] <lifeless> +-
[10:48] <apw> lifeless, thanks
[10:49] <lifeless> it may not work of course, but I think it will
[10:49] <apw> yep i understand theres no guarentee, just looking at a lower bound
[11:04] <lifeless> apw: care to try again ?
[11:04] <apw> lifeless, doing
[11:05] <apw> lifeless, seems borked still to me
[11:05] <apw> (Error ID: OOPS-1986DY50)
[11:06] <lifeless> thanks
[11:06] <lifeless> and we'll continue
[11:06] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/794715
[11:06] <apw> lifeless, my test case is trying to make that linux task Invalid
[11:23] <dholbach> thanks for the update in the topic!
[11:52] <wgrant> apw: We've identified the remaining issue, but it's going to take a while longer to fix. We've increased the timeout, though, so it should work now. Could you try it again, please?
[11:52] <apw> wgrant, trying ... yes that worked
[11:53] <wgrant> It's not going to be fast yet, but at least it will work.
[11:53] <apw> wgrant, all i want ... launchpad is never fast
[11:53] <wgrant> Heh.
[13:30] <jml> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/297614
[13:31] <jml> bdmurray: that's the bug I meant.
[16:54] <nigelb> rockstar: ping, around?
[17:42] <rockstar> nigelb, hi
[17:42] <nigelb> rockstar: hey, just wanted to check with you about tarmac.  Does it need its on LP user?
[17:42] <nigelb> *own
[17:42] <rockstar> nigelb, nope.  I run it as my user.
[17:43] <rockstar> nigelb, but on the box you run it on, you'd better believe it needs its own UNIX user.
[17:43] <nigelb> rockstar: ah, okay!
[17:43] <rockstar> Otherwise a malicious script could read out all sorts of fun things from your user account.
[17:43] <nigelb> heh
[17:44] <rockstar> nigelb, if you get stuck, there's always #tarmac
[17:44] <nigelb> oh, nice! /me joins :)
[18:29] <mpt> How is muting bug mail different from unsubscribing?
[18:30] <mpt> Is it about retaining access to private bug reports, or something else?
[18:33] <benji> mpt: muting is mainly for when you subscribe to a bug target but aren't interested in a particular bug
[18:34] <benji> it can also be useful if you are a member of a team that is subscribed to a bug and you're not interested
[18:34] <mpt> ah
[18:36] <mpt> So basically what we used to call "ignore" subscriptions back in the old days :-)
[18:48] <Ramindu> hello
[18:48] <Ramindu> I'm in a spot of trouble at LP
[18:48] <Ramindu> I have a project on LP
[18:48] <Ramindu> and I wanted to set a certain branch as the Translations focus
[18:48] <Ramindu> so when I did that
[18:49] <Ramindu> it set that branch as the DEVELOPMENT focus as well, essentially making the original development focus trunk disappear
[18:49] <Ramindu> :(
[18:49] <Ramindu> is it possible to revert this?
[19:01] <abentley> Ramindu, sure, it's easy to change the development focus.
[23:05] <MBarvian> kiko: ping
[23:05] <kiko> MBarvian?
[23:05] <MBarvian> kiko: hi!
[23:05] <kiko> hey there
[23:05] <MBarvian> kiko: I was wondering if you could rename a project for us?
[23:06] <kiko> MBarvian, hah, I can't anymore. ask flacoste :-P
[23:06] <MBarvian> flacoste: ping
[23:06] <kiko> they revoked my admin access!
[23:06] <MBarvian> kiko: no problem. thanks anyway!
[23:06] <kiko> sure thing
[23:09] <MBarvian> kiko: anyone else I could contact? :P
[23:10] <lifeless> file a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/
[23:11] <MBarvian> lifeless: done.
[23:15] <Mel> hello Peaple, can  some one help me please . i  still sending accepted packages to  Launchpad . but never  get  build correctly .  can  some help me  please ?. i'am new  to this  PPA  world
[23:22] <Mel> can some one help  here ?
[23:31] <poolie> hi Mel, still here?
[23:32] <poolie> you get an acceptance mail?
[23:32] <poolie> do they show up in the ppa's web page?
[23:33] <Mel> yes
[23:33] <Mel> Accepted:
[23:33] <Mel>  OK: pidgin_2.9-2ubuntu.tar.gz
[23:33] <Mel>  OK: pidgin_2.9-2ubuntu.dsc
[23:33] <Mel>      -> Component: main Section: net
[23:33] <Mel> pidgin (2:2.9-2ubuntu) natty; urgency=low
[23:33] <Mel>   * Initial release (Closes: #nnnn)  <nnnn is the bug number of your ITP>
[23:33] <Mel> --
[23:33] <Mel> You are receiving this email because you are the uploader of the above
[23:33] <Mel> PPA package.
[23:35] <poolie> ok so it was attempted to be built, it just failed
[23:36] <Mel> yes.  and  i  don't know  why its  failed
[23:36] <Mel> can i post here the link of the log ?
[23:36] <poolie> sure
[23:36] <poolie> so the interesting bit is near the bottom
[23:36] <poolie> make: *** [build] Error 9
[23:36] <poolie> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[23:36] <poolie> now i wonder why that happened, so i look further up
[23:37] <poolie> > configure: error: The intltool scripts were not found. Please install intltool.
[23:37] <poolie> that's the problem
[23:37] <poolie> you need to declare a build dependency on intltool
[23:37] <poolie> or whatever package contains it
[23:37] <poolie> otherwise it won't be present when your thing is built
[23:39] <Mel> ok,  thats means  iniltool  doesnt  exit  on the  Server !!? or in my  machine ?
[23:42] <Mel> poolie !!
[23:45] <poolie> you have to declare all build dependencies other than the most basic ones
[23:46] <Mel> how to  ? shall i  add them to   control  file ?
[23:55] <poolie> yes
[23:55] <poolie> Mel: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
[23:58] <lifeless>           http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[23:58] <poolie> hello lifeless
[23:58] <lifeless> hi poolie
[23:59] <Mel> i will   have  a look . i  downloaded old  source   (copied  control file from there) i hope it will work this time


[12:19] <theCore> mdke: maybe, I could host it
[12:20] <mdke> theCore: I don't think there will be a problem with hosting, but thanks for the offer
[12:20] <theCore> ah ok
[12:52] <nixternal> so am I reading into this correctly? Are we going to start using Bazaar and push away from SVN?
[12:53] <mdke> nixternal: no, just talking about bzr
[12:53] <nixternal> ahh ok, I was just a little confused maybe with getting rid of https://docteam and forwarding it to doc.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <nixternal> and the initial "OMG this takes forever" factor of Bazaar
[12:55] <nixternal> mdke: here is what I have noticed. Bazaar uses your SSH RSA key, and my KDE SVN account also uses my SSH RSA key, and KDE SVN+SSH is slow initially just like Bazaar. I wonder if it has something to do with that
[12:58] <LaserJock> well, one of the bzr guys told me yesterday that latency was the problem, or something like tht
[12:59] <nixternal> that is a lot of latency
[12:59] <LaserJock> but supposedly when this "smart server" thing is done it'll be afaster
[12:59] <mdke> nixternal: nothing was said about getting rid of https://docteam. it's http://docteam (without the "s") that we've forwarded to doc.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <nixternal> i wonder if the SSH authentication is just slower than normal
[12:59] <nixternal> mdke: gotcha!
[01:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: I don't think so because I've used bzr without ssh and it was still slow
[01:00] <nixternal> ahh
[01:01] <LaserJock> but right now it's it's slower then zvn by a factor of 3
[01:01] <LaserJock> but that's on initial checkout
[01:01] <LaserJock> we need to test the actual spped of use
[01:01] <LaserJock> because you only checkout once (or at least not that often)
[01:03] <nixternal> LaserJock: the actual speed of use is damn close to SVN
[01:03] <nixternal> so I have noted with the sandbox Riddell created and the Ichthux branches
[01:04] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco!
[01:07] <LaserJock> hmm, this seems odd: ping for www.ubuntu.com is 199ms but for my lab computers at the uni it's 1000ms :(
[01:08] <nixternal> haha
[01:08] <nixternal> nice
[01:09] <LaserJock> so it's 5 times faster to go 5000+ miles than 5
[01:11] <nixternal> well for me, if I use ca.archive it is way faster than using us.archive. and our group manages the US archive at Argonne which is less than 10 miles from me
[01:12] <nixternal> us == 106ms and ca == 35ms
[01:12] <LaserJock> shesh
[01:13] <jsgotangco> hey
[01:22] <nixternal> jsgotangco: just ordered Portillos :)
[01:22] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:26] <jsgotangco> alright im out ciao
[01:26] <LaserJock> cya jsgotangco
[01:26] <LaserJock> hi, btw
[01:26] <jsgotangco> hey
[01:26] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:31] <mpt> mdke, the summary at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/help-and-support-access could be updated with the summary from the spec itself
[04:31] <mpt> (but I don't have permission to do that)
[05:24] <coreyt> Any of you guys running Beryl on Edgy?
[06:46] <coreyt> sheesh
[06:46] <coreyt> some of those devs in beryl-dev need an attitude adjustment.
[06:49] <Laser_away> :-)
[06:49] <crimsun> meh, I just ignore them.
[11:45] <mdke> mpt: ok
[11:46] <mdke> mpt: done
[12:13] <fijam> Hey, who else is working on xubuntu desktop guide?
[12:14] <mdke> fijam: somerville32
[12:14] <mdke> that's about it
[12:14] <fijam> and nobody else? It seems that there's a lot of work to be done
[12:15] <mdke> fijam: yeah, that's right I think.
[12:15] <mdke> fijam: the important thing is to make realistic targets, don't bite off too much for each release
[12:15] <fijam> Yeah, I am aware of it
[12:16] <fijam> thanks anyway
[12:16] <mdke> a guy called luzi was working on it
[12:16] <mdke> but he said he hasn't got much time
[12:16] <fijam> Luzius Something?
[12:16] <mdke> that's right
[12:17] <fijam> I'll search for some contact
[12:49] <fijam> hmm, xubuntu documentation structure is organized differently from ubuntu/kubuntu documentation. Do you happen to know if that's done purpousefully or it is like that because it is outdated?
[12:50] <mdke> fijam: in this release the ubuntu/kubuntu documentation changed structure very substantially
[12:50] <mdke> fijam: as yet the xubuntu documentation hasn't had enough contributors to do the same, although Cody has some plans I think
[12:52] <fijam> I'll have to ask him for details
[12:53] <mdke> yep
[12:53] <fijam> ok, see you later
[12:53] <mdke> you should make integration of xfce upstream documentation a big target, IMO
[12:54] <fijam> we'll see what we can do with our limited manpower
[12:54] <fijam> but I agree that xubuntu shouldn't fall behind
[12:54] <fijam> bye
[03:21] <fijam> is conglomerate a good tool to edit docbook documentation?
[03:29] <mdke> fijam: I personally don't like it much
[03:30] <mdke> but you can try it!
[03:36] <fijam> any alternatives? (I suppose I'll stay with bare code anyway)
[03:36] <mdke> fijam: I think most of us tend to use normal editors or bluefish
[03:37] <fijam> ok, thanks
[04:47] <medders> Hi, I'm going to record a screencast (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/Requests/ManagingDigitalPhotos) and wondered if anyone had any comments on my draft plan
[04:48] <popey> am not at home right now, will have a look when I get in, is that okay?
[04:48] <medders> popey: yeah sure, any time would be alright by me
[04:50] <dsas> medders: f-spot is installed by default
[04:50] <medders> dsas: i was thinking about using dapper
[04:50] <medders> dsas: I did't think it was installed there
[04:50] <dsas> no, it was an edgy change.
[04:50] <mdke> we should try and get the screencasts as up to date as possible, though
[04:51] <mdke> in particular, we should start aiming at feisty soonish
[04:51] <medders> thats true
[04:52] <medders> i doubt the businesses and such that use the LTS would look at the screencasts
[04:54] <medders> do you think that f-spot should be the default for importing photos?
[04:54] <medders> gthumb seems dated next to it
[04:54] <mdke> yes
[04:55] <medders> do you know if it will be in feisty?
[04:55] <mdke> I thought it was already in Edgy
[04:55] <dsas> there's been no mention of removing f-spot for feisty.
[04:56] <medders> i mean making it the default for importing photos
[04:56] <medders> :)
[04:56] <dsas> I didn't realise it wasn't to be honest.
[04:57] <medders> i havn't checked in feisty but I know that in edgy gThumb is still the default
[04:58] <mdke> I'll check in a bit
[05:06] <mdke> medders: no, it's still gthumb, you could file a bug about that if you want
[05:06] <medders> mdke: Cheers, I'll do that sometime today
[05:24] <medders> Done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80856
[05:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80856 in Ubuntu "F-Spot as default for importing photos" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:26] <dsas> hmm, I could be wrong mdke, but I thought you were one of the people against f-spot being default in edgy.
[05:31] <mdke> dsas: yeah, you're right
[05:31] <mdke> I've converted now :)
[05:31] <dsas> mdke: Did your problems get fixed?
[05:32] <mdke> dsas: no, I changed the way I manage photos
[05:34] <dsas> ah, I remember, to dated folders from organised folders?
[05:35] <dsas> I always used dated folders anyway, that's what my camera did on windows...
[05:36] <mdke> I just imported everything into f-spot
[05:47] <medders> do you know what command I should use to get f-spot to autmatically import the photos from a camera?
[05:47] <medders> the one that goes into the removable drives and media dialog
[05:47] <medders> I've got it up until "f-spot --import"
[05:47] <medders> but I don't know how to pas the right directory to it
[05:47] <mdke> you open that dialogue from System/Control Center/Removable Drives and Media
[05:47] <mdke> or did I misunderstand?
[05:48] <medders> Yup, sorry, should have said
[06:19] <fijam> Is there any reference or specification that covers the new structure of documentation available?
[06:20] <mdke> TopicBasedHelp
[06:20] <fijam> ah, right
[07:35] <mpt> At the local Saturday market there was a guy with a big sign offering "Free Hugs"
[07:35] <mpt> and a cameraman nearby for the inevitable YouTubery
[07:35] <mdke> mpt: did you give him one?
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> mpt: i think that's the first I ever heard of YouTubery
[07:36] <mdke> "This is from the Ubuntu docteam
[07:36] <mpt> http://youtube.com/results?search_query=free+hugs
[07:36] <mpt> mdke, alas, the market was nearly closed and I had to run to get some money to buy stuff
[07:37] <mpt> and when I returned they had vanished
[07:40] <mdke> I bet it was all in your imagination
[07:43] <nixternal> mdke: jjesse sent an email about the SRU for Kubuntu-docs. I have responded, but won't be able to send it out until I get home
[07:43] <nixternal> it seems they block some ports here at the college
[07:46] <mdke> I read it
[08:45] <popey> evening all
[09:31] <mdke> crimsun: can you remind me of the commands I need to do for debugging that audio thing? Just doing the bug report now.
[09:32] <crimsun> tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer && lspci -nv && asoundconf list && cat /etc/asound.conf ~/.asoundrc* && dmesg && cat /proc/interrupts
[09:32] <mdke> whoosh
[09:33] <mdke> crimsun: which of those was the one I did both on a cold boot and after hibernate?
[09:33] <crimsun> the following one: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*/*
[09:33] <mdke> great
[09:34] <crimsun> I believe Andrew Ash has added a link to that LP bug comment on the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki page
[09:35] <crimsun> ah, he just dumped the entire comment (essentially) at the top of the page
[09:35] <crimsun> just as good
[09:38] <popey> mdke: are you serious that you think screencasts should target feisty?
[09:39] <mdke> popey: well, I said we should start thinking about it
[09:39] <popey> ok
[09:39] <mdke> crimsun: it's bug 80893
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80893 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Audio disappears after hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80893
[09:40] <popey> problem is the UI changes so we can be instantly out of date
[09:40] <popey> unless we wait and start making them after the freeze?
[09:40] <popey> (I considered this for dapper last year)
[09:41] <crimsun> mdke: triaged, thanks.
[09:41] <mdke> Well, it depends if the freeze is going to mean something or not
[09:41] <popey> heh
[09:41] <mdke> thank you crimsun
[09:41] <popey> take for example the herd2 had System --> preferences whereas now feisty has the gnome control center
[09:42] <mdke> crimsun: I'm not sure that it occurs after suspend, only hibernate. Let me try
[09:44] <mdke> crimsun: yeah, it's fine after suspend
[09:44] <crimsun> Description amended.
[09:44] <mdke> :)
[09:45] <crimsun> well, that pushes it square into suspend code
[09:45] <crimsun> squarely
[09:45] <crimsun> (suspend-to-disk)
[09:46] <mdke> ah
[09:47] <crimsun> ok, this might be dumb, but...
[09:47] <crimsun> upon resuming from suspend-to-disk, is the volume key's mute/unmute toggle working?
[09:48] <mdke> I'll check
[09:48] <crimsun> I _think_ the T43 has one
[09:48] <mdke> it has a mute, not an unmute though
[09:48] <mdke> or rather, you press the mute button to mute it, then the volume up key to unmute it
[09:48] <crimsun> right, so you'd have to lower/raise the volume using one of the other hotkeys to unmute
[09:49] <mdke> I'll try.
[09:49] <mdke> crimsun: one thing I just realised.
[09:49] <mdke> crimsun: what i just did was: cold boot (working), hibernate (not working), suspend (without rebooting - working)
[09:49] <crimsun> right, I figured you did that ;)
[09:50] <mdke> crazy that suspending it makes it work again, without rebooting
[09:50] <mdke> ok, I'll try another hibernate
[09:50] <crimsun> would you test the cold boot -> suspend-to-ram -> resume path?
[09:50] <mdke> sure
[09:54] <mdke> crimsun: that path works. Trying hibernate again now
[09:57] <mdke> crimsun: ok, the volume keys seem to work, in that Gnome is showing me volume ups/downs/mutes. But sound isn't coming out
[09:58] <crimsun> mdke: ok, thanks
[11:57] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3707 ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent: some entities used in office.xml
[12:00] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3708 kubuntu/C/office/office.xml: some typos
[12:00] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3709 /trunk/ (18 files in 3 dirs): adding pot files and script to make em easily. More checking needs to be done for these
[12:01] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3710 ubuntu/pots/.pot: whoops
[12:01] <mdke> ;)
[12:06] <mpt> mdke, what's the plan for dealing with the empty contents pane?
[12:09] <mdke> mpt: which pane?


[12:48] <Keybuk> random of the day
[12:48]  * Keybuk wonders whether this works
[12:48] <Keybuk>   int
[12:48] <Keybuk>   foo (nih_local void *ptr)
[12:48] <Keybuk>   {
[12:48] <Keybuk>           nih_ref (ptr, NULL);
[12:48] <Keybuk>           // use ptr safe in the knowledge that it won't get unreferenced
[12:48] <Keybuk>   }
[12:54] <Keybuk> no
[12:54] <Keybuk> boo
[22:05] <Keybuk> I'm trying to come up with a clever way of doing something and failing :-(
[22:06] <wasabi_> Try harder.
[22:06] <Keybuk> lol
[22:06] <Keybuk> basically for the tests/test_*.c files, I want to have a function per test case
[22:06] <wasabi_> You can do it!
[22:07] <Keybuk> and want the list of test case functions auto-generated
[22:07] <Keybuk> but can't figure out a clean way to do it :-/
[22:08] <wasabi_> Ahh. Got me. Since I use C# I'd just use reflection. ;)
[22:08] <Keybuk> lol


[16:39] <pleia2> akgraner, are we posting the smart scopes article today?
[16:39] <pleia2> putting EOL announcements on fridge now
[16:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: want me to help with one or two?
[16:40] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I'm putting them all into one post, so that won't be necessary, thanks :)
[16:40] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, ok then, np :)
[16:44] <akgraner> pleia2, nope we need to hold off
[16:56] <pleia2> ah, just saw jono's email
[16:56] <jono> pleia2, I have a blog post written, want to just post that to the fridge?
[16:57] <jono> I can send over the text
[16:57] <pleia2> jono: nah, got for it on your blog
[16:57] <jono> probably makes more sense to put it on the fridge
[16:57] <pleia2> rick has one drafted that he'll edit
[16:57] <jono> whatever you prefer
[16:57] <jono> ok cool
[16:57] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:57] <jono> sorry there wasn't any more notice, this transpired very recently
[16:57] <jono> I tried to get out that email ASAP
[16:58] <pleia2> no problem, news that something is *not* landing is much eaiser to take :)
[16:58] <jono> absolutely :-)
[16:58] <jono> the only potential issue might be that the enhanced privacy features won't land
[16:58] <jono> but they are dependent on the feature
[16:58]  * pleia2 nods
[16:59] <jono> alright, gotta head out to GDC
[16:59] <jono> saw Scott Ritchie yesterday which was nice
[16:59] <jono> haven't seen him for ages
[17:00] <jono> I assumed he had been sucked into the startup vortex :-)
[17:00] <jono> laters, all
[17:02] <pleia2> hehe
[17:02] <pleia2> drat, I had a thing to ask him (and GDC is like, a block from me)
[18:48] <jono> akgraner, pleia2 will be posting the blog soon
[18:48] <jono> just waiting for Olli to update the FFe
[18:48] <pleia2> jono: btw, tech board mailing list is public
[18:49] <jono> pleia2, thats fine
[18:49] <jono> I just wanted to coordinate before it hits the main press
[18:49]  * pleia2 nods
[18:49] <pleia2> it quickly became "main press" :)
[18:51] <jono> heh
[18:53] <jono> pleia2, http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/03/29/smart-scopes-not-landing-in-13-04-will-land-in-13-10/
[18:53] <pleia2> \o/


[00:48] <wsteczna> siema jest ktos
[00:49] <wsteczna> jestem wsteczna w ubuntu
[00:49] <wsteczna> szukam ustawien kamerki internetowej
[16:40] <shock99er> hi there!
[16:42] <shock99er> I tried to test Ubuntu Studio 20.04 live this weekend but could not load the OS due to signal out range on my monitors
[16:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> shock99er: That's 100% a hardware problem. Try running in safe graphics mode, should be selectable in the bootloader.
[16:43] <shock99er> As I tried the graphics safe boot, the graphics was huge and on just on 1 of the 2 monitors
[16:43] <shock99er> the other completely black...
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> shock99er: Try asking in #ubuntu then. You're going to have the same issue no matter which flavor of Ubuntu you try if that's the case. They can help you there, this issue isn't specific to Ubuntu Studio.
[16:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's clearly an incompatibility with either your graphics card or your monitors.
[16:45] <shock99er> I see, thank you
[16:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, huge graphics and on only one monitor makes sense if it's in safe mode.
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's supposed to be something that nearly everything is compatible with.
[16:46] <shock99er> I'm ok with that in fact
[16:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's supposed to exist as a way to get it installed and install the graphics drivers later.
[16:47] <shock99er> but as I tried to load the drivers for my graphic card, I couldnìt make it any better though
[16:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then I'd highly suggest asking on askubuntu.com or #ubuntu for assistance. IRC shouldn't be your first place to go for support.
[16:47] <shock99er> (I'm currently using Ubuntu 18.04 on this system, so I thought I could manage but I was quite stuck, actually)
[16:48] <shock99er> ok, thanks again
[16:48] <shock99er> bye


[11:09] <enrico> hello!
[11:09] <enrico> Is there someone with GAIM installed on Hoary?
[11:26] <abelli> me
[11:26] <abelli> do you wanna break my system
[11:26] <abelli> =
[11:26] <abelli> ?
[11:26] <abelli> enrico: A
[12:12] <enrico> Hey!
[12:13] <enrico> ssh root@abelli "chown -R abelli.cdrom /"
[12:32] <abelli> its ubuntu
[12:32] <abelli> please change account
[05:24] <sm> morning
[09:12] <abelli> sivang: ding


[08:25] <kraut> moin
[13:06] <soren> Does kernel-wedge work out dependencies?
[13:07] <soren> Specifically, if I'm adding crc32c to debian/d-i/modules/crypto-modules, do I need to add libcrc32c manually, or does it look it up in modules.dep or something?
[16:55] <tseliot> BenC: can we talk about EnvyNG now?
[17:04] <tseliot> BenC: there are only two things to approve and it won't take long to review them
[19:28] <tseliot> BenC: are you there?