[23:32] <raevol> philipballew: you there
[23:32] <philipballew> raevol, si
[23:32] <raevol> philipballew: when you submit for scale CFP, how long is your summary
[23:33] <philipballew> I would do a full paragraph to a page, and then include full bullet points as well.
[23:33] <philipballew> but that might be overkill.
[23:33] <philipballew> If they need to know what your software is, that I would explain it as well.
[23:34] <raevol> eh, i'll just do a libreoffice presentation
[23:35] <raevol> bullet points are the actual talking points? like if i did a paragraph summary and then the outline for the talk, that should be good?
[23:36] <philipballew> raevol, yes. I am not sure if you need to do a presentation yet?
[23:37] <raevol> well i wouldn't submit the presentation file with the CFP submission, but i should outline the talk?
[23:43] <philipballew> raevol, yes. ontline
[23:43] <philipballew> let them see the talk through the outline
[23:44]  * philipballew leaves the internet
[23:44] <philipballew> text/call me if you need something
[23:45] <raevol> thx philipballew's spectre


[03:24] <bdmurray> Nightrose: If you try the bzr version of bughelper it will be fine.
[03:25] <int_main> that's strange
[03:25] <int_main> or should i say... BIZARRE!
[07:38] <ompaul> which package is the logon screen / theme attached to
[08:04] <Iulian> The static image before login screen?
[08:07] <ompaul> Iulian not usplash - that image on the gnome login screen
[08:08] <ompaul> in fact the xml for the spacing of it and its error message on an 800*600 screen the "bad password message" is obscured by the input box
[08:09] <Iulian> Ohh, no idea.
[08:09] <ompaul> maybe it is called the gnome login window
[08:09] <ompaul> ;-)
[08:09]  * ompaul goes to search lp
[08:09] <Iulian> gdm?
[08:09] <ompaul> again
[08:09] <ompaul> hmm yeap
[08:09] <ompaul> that would be more right
[08:10] <Iulian> Hehe
[08:10] <ompaul> it is only 8am
[08:10] <ompaul> ;-)
[08:10] <ompaul> and usually I don't get passwords wrong
[08:10] <Iulian> 8:10 AM here
[08:10] <ompaul> let me switch to it
[08:10] <ompaul> well yeah that is the right time
[08:10]  * Iulian is afk for 10min
[08:11] <ompaul> ack
[08:17] <ompaul> ahh found something
[08:17] <ompaul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/202505
[08:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202505 in gdm ""Incorrect password" message obscured by input widget" [Low,Invalid]
[08:17] <ompaul> my issue is that this will occur at 800*600
[08:18] <ompaul> should I ask what it is a dupe of
[08:19] <ompaul> there is no room at that resolution to put the message between the logo and the dialog box even if the other part is fixed
[08:19]  * ompaul will be afk for a bit use my nick to highlight please
[08:30] <Iulian> ompaul: I think that bug is not the same as yours and AFAIK it's not a bug in GDM. Maybe it's something about the Graphics Card.
[08:31] <Iulian> ompaul: To be honest I really don't know, never encoutered that problem before.
[08:31] <ompaul> what is the first character in your nick - can't seem to tab
[08:31] <Iulian> i
[08:32] <Iulian> 'i' from invisible :)
[08:38] <ompaul> ahh
[08:38] <ompaul> ok I will report it as a seperate bug then
[08:42] <Iulian> Ok
[08:45] <stgraber> ompaul: if you are looking for the ubuntu gdm theme, the package is ubuntu-gdm-theme. Did you try to reproduce your bug with one of the original themes from Gnome ?
[08:48] <ompaul> stgraber, no a default hardy
[08:48] <ompaul> stgraber, you would like that I guess
[08:48] <ompaul> ;-)
[08:49] <stgraber> ompaul: well, I'm trying to understand if your issue is related to the Ubuntu GDM theme or gdm itself
[08:50] <ompaul> ahh so
[08:50] <ompaul> stgraber, let me move though the magic of the kvm to that box
[08:53] <ompaul> stgraber, you are going to love this - terminal does not work and X is so broken I can't test - when I say broken I can't launch the widget to configure the login screen
[08:54] <ompaul> stgraber, I'll come back to it in a couple of hours - I'll file the first version if you want to mark it as needs info - try native gnome then I will come back to it in a few hours
[08:55] <ompaul> bug 202770
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202770 in gdm "gdm insufficent password space for 800*600 resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202770
[08:56] <ompaul> anyone else that wants to have a pop at that it would be good
[12:48]  * ompaul is now frustrated that bug can take a running jump over the position I am now in :-(  X ain't starting at all
[12:48] <ompaul> stgraber, you may wish to kill off the bug (which works) sorry X is starting but gnome is not
[12:51] <ompaul> stgraber, actually forget that - I now can log in using xdmcp on a box which can do 1280x1024 to that box, guess I need to think
[13:27] <alex-weej> are there any tools for automatically forwarding bugs upstream, to e.g. gnome bugzilla?
[13:32] <hggdh> alex-weej: no, not for bugzilla. You have to open it upstream, and then link it to the LP bug (via "also affects project")
[13:32] <alex-weej> damn,
[13:32] <hggdh> :-)
[13:32] <alex-weej> such a pain in the arse
[13:32] <alex-weej> :P
[13:32] <hggdh> such is life...
[13:33] <alex-weej> maybe we could talk with bkor about getting a gateway access?
[13:34] <hggdh> as far as I remember, there is a bit of a problem making the interface in LP... perhaps bkor might help... I would not hold my breath, though: LP is closed source
[14:17] <greg-g> secretlondon: thanks for figuring out that bug yesterday!
[14:18] <secretlondon> greg_g no problem :)
[16:29] <highvoltage> hey bugsquashers
[16:29] <highvoltage> I have a question. If you look at this bug:
[16:29] <highvoltage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-cursors-theme/+bug/4113
[16:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 4113 in human-cursors-theme "default xcursor (Human, Jimmac) files missing" [Medium,Fix released]
[16:30] <highvoltage> it mentions the main package name, a baltix release and ubuntu release
[16:30] <highvoltage> I just closed it in the ubuntu section, but I suppose it can be closed in all of them?
[16:50] <highvoltage> would this bug still be fixed, considering that PPC isn't a supported platform anymore? bug 44265.
[16:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44265 in usplash "dapper flight 7 PPC fails to install (more infos)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44265
[17:24] <Gnine> i have a folder Debian in my Applications menu.. anybody else?
[17:29] <Nafallo> Gnine: no, I don't have 'menu' installed.
[17:31] <Gnine> i heard it is hidden by default but now it is showing
[17:31] <Nafallo> Gnine: you probably have 'menu' installed.
[17:31] <Gnine> 8.04
[17:38] <blueyed> Gnine: it's not there on Kubuntu Hardy.. are you using Gnome?
[17:38] <Gnine> yes
[17:42] <Nafallo> I'm telling you... you have the package menu installed :-)
[17:42] <Nafallo> check yourself
[17:49] <Gnine> 10-4
[18:05] <Gnine> found package menu. installed. advisable to remove?
[18:06] <Gnine> using default window manager here
[18:33] <Nafallo> Gnine: do you need the Debian menu? cause that what that package does.
[18:52] <sbarjola> hi, have a question
[18:53] <sbarjola> if a bug is complete but I can reproduce myself under same conditions, should be change to confirmed?
[18:56] <andrea-bs> sbarjola: no, a bug is confirmed when is reproducible
[18:58] <sbarjola> sorry my english (..cannot reproduce it for myself..)
[18:58] <sbarjola> thanks
[19:00] <sbarjola> but who has send the report can reproduce it
[19:02] <andrea-bs> sbarjola: probably he has something uncommon (such as nvidia drivers or a particular configuration)
[19:06] <sbarjola> then may set to incomplete until someone else can confirm?
[19:07] <andrea-bs> if you mark it Incomplete you should ask the submitter some questions
[19:08] <andrea-bs> if you don't know what to ask you should mark it New
[19:49] <Stroganoff> hi
[19:49] <Stroganoff> i filed a bug
[19:49] <Stroganoff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-installer/+bug/202959
[19:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202959 in base-installer "[hardy] generating locales stalls on 64mb ram" [Undecided,New]


[00:06] <wgrant> StevenK: Does the PCJ count thing look reasonable?
[00:21] <StevenK> wgrant: Look reasonable in terms of layout, or query count?
[00:24] <wgrant> StevenK: layout
[01:00] <StevenK> wgrant: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/ff.jpg
[01:04] <wgrant> StevenK: Looks good
[01:21] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/testfix-delete-unmodifiable-suite/+merge/152807
[01:25] <lifeless> flacoste: o/
[01:33] <StevenK> cjwatson: r=me
[01:34] <cjwatson> Thanks
[02:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Can I have a +1 then?
[02:28] <wgrant> StevenK: That's a reasonable point
[02:30] <wgrant> (done)
[03:25] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/person-deactivate-job/+merge/152809
[03:51] <wgrant> StevenK: Might it make sense to set the account status immediately?
[03:52] <wgrant> So they're kicked out immediately but the references are purged over the next few minutes
[03:52] <StevenK> wgrant: I was wondering about that
[03:54] <StevenK> wgrant: In the view, or IPerson.deactivate() ?
[03:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Or both?
[03:57] <wgrant> StevenK: I think both, I guess
[03:57] <wgrant> Set the status, kill off the preferredemail (and possibly other emails) and anything else reasonably sane, within the request
[03:58] <StevenK> Oh, so split the work up
[03:58] <StevenK> Yeah
[04:07] <wgrant> StevenK: So perhaps kill off deactivate()
[04:07] <wgrant> StevenK: Split it into two methods
[04:07] <wgrant> One which does the easy stuff
[04:07] <wgrant> Have both the view and the deactivation job call the easy one
[04:08] <wgrant> Just in case, and so that a deactivation job is sufficient if we ever end up needing to deactivate without going through the view
[04:08] <wgrant> The view just takes a bit of a shortcut to make it appear more instantaneous.
[04:11] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5606844/
[04:13] <wgrant> That's no method name.
[04:14] <StevenK> I couldn't think of a better one
[04:14] <StevenK> earlyDeactivate made me sob
[04:14] <wgrant> It's not a bad method name, it's not a method name at all :)
[04:15] <wgrant> But pre or early or something might be an improvement
[04:22] <StevenK> wgrant: IPerson.preDeactivate(), just checking tests
[04:35] <StevenK> Hmmmm
[04:35] <StevenK>     bug_task.transitionToAssignee(None)
[04:35] <StevenK> Unauthorized: (<BugTask for bug 16 on <Product at 0xf49e8d0>>, 'transitionToAssignee', 'launchpad.Edit')
[04:35] <_mup_> Bug #16: "Swedish" and "Swedish (Sweden)" should be the same language <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by daf> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/16 >
[04:37] <wgrant> StevenK: The job should run in PermissiveSecurityPolicy
[04:37] <wgrant> So that can't happen
[04:38] <StevenK> wgrant: How do I set that?
[04:38] <wgrant> It does automatically
[04:38] <wgrant> Your test may not be doing that, so you might have to log in as an admin
[04:38] <wgrant> (or use ZopelessLayer)
[04:42] <StevenK> wgrant: UserCannotEditBugTaskAssignee: Regular users can assign and unassign only themselves and their teams. Only project owners, bug supervisors, drivers and release managers can assign others.
[04:42] <wgrant> Which test is this, and what did you change?
[04:42] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5606881/
[04:43] <StevenK> TestPersonDeactivateJob.test_deactivate
[04:45] <wgrant> Oh
[04:45] <wgrant> So a new test :)
[04:46] <StevenK> Yeah
[04:46] <wgrant> What's the traceback now?
[04:46] <StevenK> I'll be extending the test to add things like branchsubs and things to make sure DB perms are right
[04:47] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5606888/
[04:48] <wgrant> StevenK: Recall that the deactivation job will now probably run with no interaction, where previously it ran as the user being deactivated.
[04:48] <StevenK> Indeed
[04:49] <StevenK> wgrant: Should I grab the janitor and log in as that, then?
[04:49] <wgrant> Possibly
[04:49] <wgrant> But check what transitionToAssignee checks
[04:49] <wgrant> You may be able to simply pass in the janitor
[04:49] <wgrant> I forget.
[04:50] <StevenK> It grabs the user from the bag
[04:50] <wgrant> It doesn't have an override?
[04:50] <StevenK> It does not
[04:51] <wgrant> See if there is precedent for impersonating jobs, eg. merges
[04:53] <StevenK> Merges are done via direct DB access
[04:54] <StevenK> Maybe we should just set the bag user to the person
[04:54] <wgrant> Possibly, or the entire interaction for the durating
[04:54] <wgrant> duration
[04:55] <StevenK> wgrant: I can't really use person_logged_in in the job's run(), can I?
[04:56] <wgrant> I don't believe so
[04:56] <wgrant> See, this is why model stuff should never use launchbag
[04:56] <StevenK> Heh
[04:58] <wgrant> Still
[04:58] <wgrant> StevenK: Perhaps there are few enough methods that adding override arguments makes sense
[04:59] <StevenK> Making use of person_logged_in in job.run() has the test pass, but it makes me sob
[05:00] <wgrant> And it makes me murderous :)
[05:41] <StevenK> wgrant: I think that's everything
[06:01] <StevenK> wgrant: That MP is updated.
[06:49] <wgrant> StevenK: Thanks
[06:49] <wgrant> Will look in a sec
[06:54]  * StevenK stabs the branch scanner
[07:06] <StevenK> wgrant: I think it's fair to say that sec is up.
[07:13] <wgrant> StevenK: Sigh, longpoll, sorry
[07:13] <wgrant> Fixed now
[07:27] <StevenK> % bzr grep 'All rights reserved' lib/lp | grep -E '\.(py|js):' | wc -l
[07:27] <StevenK> 98
[07:27] <StevenK> wgrant: ^
[07:30] <StevenK> I think I might fix that up tomorrow morning
[08:03]  * StevenK grumbles at the loss of buildbot bingo
[19:21] <butlern> i'm trying to get a source package built in my launchpad ppa, the source package requires the source of another package to be installed but it seems there are no deb-src repos available in the chrooted build env, what's the best approach to getting apt-get source <package> to work? or is that not supported?
[19:35] <maxb> butlern: It's not really supported - it's not a normal thing ever done for official packages
[19:37] <butlern> maxb: gotcha, i guess i'll bump the varnish maintainers to add a -dev package for header files required by vmod compilation, thanks
[19:39] <maxb> butlern: That's certainly the normal way to get access to header files.


[00:03] <ScottK> Probably some local issue.
[00:05] <ScottK> Took the plunge.  -runtime uploaded.
[00:18] <ScottK> Meh.  Someone else's turn.
[00:18] <ScottK> Oh.  I know.
[00:22]  * ScottK tries again.
[00:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: I would hope so, I did not check
[00:34]  * ScottK gives up on -runtime for the night.
[00:34] <ScottK> Someone elses turn.
[00:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll approve the FFe if you'll approve it.
[00:35] <ScottK> you'll upload it
[00:45]  * ScottK goes and reviews kgamma instead.
[01:01] <BarkingFish> right guys, I'm off. Bed beckons, and I'm answering the call!
[01:01] <BarkingFish> See ya
[01:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll look at it tomorrow then
[01:08] <apachelogger> if I do not get interrupted by research again
[01:40] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  You win.  Please fix kde-runtime.
[01:41] <ScottK> (separate sources if you prefer, up to you as I give)
[01:42] <ScottK> btw, now doing kgamma.  Got distracted by ballet related sewing.
[03:28] <ScottK> Now kgeography.
[03:31] <ScottK> Now khangman.
[03:33] <valorie> you are my hero, ScottK
[03:34]  * valorie awards ScottK some voodoo donuts
[03:34] <ScottK> For the 4.7.1 uploading or the sewing?
[03:34] <valorie> both!
[03:34] <valorie> it's awesome when daddies do sewing
[03:34] <ScottK> :-)
[03:34] <valorie> my sewing machine needs some love
[03:34] <ScottK> It kind of blew  my daughter away that I was capable of it.
[03:35] <valorie> the navy teaches people to be capable!
[03:35] <valorie> my neighbor is home on leave
[03:35] <valorie> thus the voodoo donuts
[03:35] <valorie> boys brought a box of fresh, up from Portland
[03:36] <ScottK> First day at Officer Candidate School uniforms were issued with sewing kits and we were told to have them properly hemmed by morning.
[03:36] <ScottK> Nice.
[03:36] <ScottK> Now on kig
[03:39] <ScottK> kiten
[03:42] <ScottK> kmplot
[03:46] <ScottK> kolourpaint
[03:48] <ScottK> kruler
[03:52] <ScottK> ktouch
[03:55] <ScottK> rocs
[03:58] <ScottK> step
[04:08] <ScottK> kwordquiz
[04:13] <ScottK> There's a chance that (except for fixing -runtime, that's it.
[04:20] <ScottK> No, kwordquiz was already done, just Quintasan didn't tag it in bzr.
[07:04] <JabberwockyA19> Is it normal that oneiric is searching for i386 and amd64 apt lists? I am using amd64.
[07:08] <ScottK> JabberwockyA19: Yes.
[07:08] <ScottK> That's multi-arch.  You can now run i386 binaries on amd64.
[07:08] <ScottK> It's not handled very well in the package management U/I.
[07:08] <JabberwockyA19> ok I thought as much
[07:09] <JabberwockyA19> extra support for ia32libs
[07:09] <ScottK> The goal is to make it die.
[07:10] <JabberwockyA19> jockey-kde breaks because I don't have i386 lists in my local mirror (raise FetchFailedException(e))
[07:10] <ScottK> That's worth a bug.
[07:11] <JabberwockyA19> I see some bugs already reported against jockey-gtk
[07:13] <ScottK> Just mentioning it affects jockey-kde too might be enough.
[07:14] <ScottK> But it's 3AM here, and so I think I'll say good night.
[07:14] <ScottK> Good night.
[07:43] <JabberwockyA19> night
[09:38] <bambee> morning
[10:44]  * afiestas is starting to think that (k)ubuntu has a magic button for good intel performance
[10:45] <afiestas> or maybe is just because I'm usually running self-compiled master we'll see in a few minuts
[11:14] <apachelogger> oh
[11:14] <apachelogger> right
[11:14] <apachelogger> profiling
[11:14]  * apachelogger adds spec idea
[12:13] <apachelogger> afiestas: do we have the latest and greatest bluedevil yet?
[12:15] <afiestas> apachelogger: nope, afaik we were too late to put 1.2 so kubuntu will be shipping with 1.1
[12:15] <apachelogger> :O
[12:15] <apachelogger> this is an outrage
[12:15]  * apachelogger waves fist and all that
[12:16] <apachelogger> afiestas: 1.2 isn't released yet?
[12:16] <afiestas> apachelogger: it is
[12:16] <apachelogger> ah
[12:16] <apachelogger> then I really don't get it
[12:16] <afiestas> I haven't blog about it, but the tarbal is uploaded and tag is pushed
[12:16] <apachelogger> surely there is plenty of reasons why a feature freeze exception for 1.2 would be desirable, no?
[12:16] <afiestas> let me check
[12:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: release team opinion plz ^
[12:17] <afiestas> Version: 1.1.1-0ubuntu1
[12:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: We've had pretty good luck with bluedevil updates.  I'd be willing to consider it if it was packaged and someone tested it.
[12:18] <apachelogger> that implies I can find my bluetooh stick thing
[12:18] <apachelogger> :P
[12:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: qtwebkit-source will be in queue soonishy
[12:18] <apachelogger> i.e. in 1MiB :P
[12:18] <ScottK> Cool.
[12:19] <afiestas> ScottK: I will be more than glad to test it all
[12:19] <apachelogger> also I converted the tar to .xz
[12:19] <apachelogger> so I shall hope launchpad accepts .xz tars these days
[12:19] <afiestas> I'm using 1.2 now (with Kubuntu 11.10) so far so good
[12:19] <apachelogger> that knocked almost 10 MiB of the tarball size :D
[12:19] <apachelogger> <3 xz
[12:20] <apachelogger>   Uploading qtwebkit-source_2.2~2011week34-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[12:20] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[12:20] <ScottK> Cool.
[12:20]  * apachelogger hates it when there is no flipping watch file
[12:38]  * bulldog98 has a working main pc again
[12:38] <apachelogger> afiestas: where did you upload bluedevil?
[12:38] <apachelogger> cant find it on ftpmaster
[13:17]  * bulldog98 now has 8G of RAM -> I can build kdepim in tmpfs :)
[14:17] <afiestas> weird weird weird, Xorg crashes when enabling composite in KWin master
[14:25] <bulldog98> yofel_: digikam has a new release
[14:29] <apachelogger> afiestas: where to find the bluedevil 1.2 tar?
[14:30] <afiestas> downloads.kde.org.. let me check for the full url
[14:31] <afiestas> weird, it isn't there :s
[14:31] <afiestas> iirc sysadmins told me that it was moved, let me check...
[14:32] <apachelogger> they tend to move things into wrong dirs ^^
[14:32] <afiestas> fuck, seems that I forgot to make the final release somehow :s
[14:32] <afiestas> wtf...
[14:32] <apachelogger> :P
[14:33] <afiestas> apachelogger: can you use 1.2rc2? 1.2 final will be the same tarbal/tag
[14:41] <apachelogger> afiestas: no new libbluedevil, right?
[14:41] <afiestas> apachelogger: nope
[14:41] <apachelogger> perfecto
[14:50] <apachelogger> we shoudl transit our compression from lzma to x
[14:50] <apachelogger> z
[14:50] <apachelogger> lintian gets all cocky about the data.tar.lzma
[14:54] <debfx> yeah but not this cycle
[14:57]  * bulldog98 wishes to have debdelta and pdiffs, too
[15:00] <bulldog98> whom to poke about that
[15:40] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: rekonq doesn’t freeze if opening a build log
[16:19] <apachelogger> huh
[16:19] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluedevil
[16:19] <apachelogger> you might want to look at this at some point
[16:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, afiestas: bluedevil is now tracked by the kubuntu-bugs team
[16:28]  * ScottK stabs at -runtime again.
[17:07] <ScottK> Let the record show that debfx was right.  Separate source is needed.
[17:07] <ScottK> I think I got that managed from the same source package, so it's only annoying right now and not every time the package has to be updated.
[17:25] <apachelogger> afiestas: ping
[17:27] <afiestas> apachelogger: pong
[17:27] <apachelogger> afiestas: so, I installed bluedevil, plugged in a bluetooth usb adapter thing and bluedevil reports there is none :(
[17:28] <afiestas> apachelogger: hcitool scan?
[17:28] <apachelogger> syslog says the device is detected and initialized and all that
[17:28] <apachelogger> >>> hcitool scan
[17:28] <apachelogger> Device is not available: No such device
[17:28] <afiestas> qdbus --system org.bluez ?
[17:28] <apachelogger> >>> qdbus --system org.bluez
[17:28] <apachelogger> Service 'org.bluez' does not exist.
[17:28] <apachelogger> no bluez for me :(
[17:28] <afiestas> /etc/init.d/bluetooth start ?
[17:29] <apachelogger> eff
[17:29] <apachelogger> now it worx
[17:29] <apachelogger> so I guess the question is why the rubbish bluez of mine did not start automatically?
[17:29] <afiestas> apachelogger: iirc that's something that only happens in ubuntu but I may be wrong
[17:29] <afiestas> well ubuntu or debian based dunno
[17:30]  * apachelogger waves fist at ubuntu
[17:30] <afiestas> but I have received many reports with the same issue, all of them by Kubuntu users
[17:30] <apachelogger> afiestas: maybe it does not start bluez when no adapter was detected at startup?
[17:30] <afiestas> I did some launchpad-fu to find a bug report and I did iirc but I don't remember the details
[17:30] <apachelogger> which I do consider a feature... though the bug is not starting it once a bluetooh device is detected
[17:30] <apachelogger> which I reckon is entirely possible using a udev config
[17:31] <afiestas> apachelogger: then that udev rule is missing
[17:31] <apachelogger> probably
[17:31] <apachelogger> though I am gussing blindly
[17:31] <apachelogger> so it might not be the case altogether
[17:33] <apachelogger> when I try to scan, the adaptor dies
[17:34] <afiestas> apachelogger: with hcitool ?
[17:34] <apachelogger> with bluedevilol
[17:35] <apachelogger> G
[17:35] <apachelogger> also when pairing
[17:35] <apachelogger> it falls over like a dead rabbit
[17:35] <apachelogger> ah
[17:35] <apachelogger> dead parrot :D
[17:36] <afiestas> apachelogger: Any good tv show to watch?
[17:36] <apachelogger> depends on what you have in mind
[17:36] <apachelogger> the new torchwood is rubbish
[17:37] <apachelogger> 'suits' seems rather good...
[17:37] <afiestas> apachelogger: just say a few
[17:37] <apachelogger> or I am biased due to hawt actors, dunno
[17:37] <apachelogger> game of thrones markey recommends very much
[17:37] <afiestas> already saw suits
[17:37] <apachelogger> then there is a new season of true blood coming along
[17:37] <apachelogger> same goes for futurama
[17:38] <apachelogger> shamelss is very recommendable (first season anyway)
[17:38] <afiestas> saw and saw
[17:38] <apachelogger> the UK version, not the US one!!!!!
[17:38] <afiestas> shameless ?
[17:38] <apachelogger> google it
[17:38] <apachelogger> story about a drunken father and his kids, living in the greater manchester area
[17:39] <afiestas> any more?
[17:39] <apachelogger> well, since I was talking about dead parrots
[17:39] <apachelogger> ALL OF MONTY PYTHON@!
[17:39] <apachelogger> also fawlty towers
[17:40] <apachelogger> I think this just about all I ever watched
[17:40]  * apachelogger aint much of an entertainment program person
[17:40]  * apachelogger checks his trash for other material
[17:40]  * afiestas just got lazy and decide to pass the rest of the day watching stuff
[17:40] <apachelogger> dexter
[17:40] <apachelogger> ohohohoh
[17:40] <apachelogger> ALL OF DOCTOR WHO!!$!
[17:41] <apachelogger> that will keep you busy for the next 5 years :P
[17:41] <afiestas> saw and saw
[17:41] <apachelogger> I MEAN ALLLLL
[17:41] <afiestas> SAW !
[17:41] <apachelogger> dude, like when did you ever do work :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> finding good versions of the really old series alone takes forever
[17:41] <afiestas> nah kidding :p
[17:41]  * apachelogger refuses to watch the fake-color-versions
[17:42] <apachelogger> they make me go ewww
[17:42] <apachelogger> so
[17:42] <apachelogger> ...
[17:42] <apachelogger> glee
[17:42] <apachelogger> hellsing
[17:42] <apachelogger> hercule poirot \o/
[17:42] <apachelogger> little britain
[17:42] <apachelogger> kathy griffin
[17:42] <apachelogger> skins
[17:42] <apachelogger> TBBT
[17:42] <apachelogger> ah
[17:42] <apachelogger> epic
[17:42] <apachelogger> the golden girls :D
[17:43] <apachelogger> it crowd
[17:43] <apachelogger> campire diaries
[17:43] <apachelogger> the wire
[17:43] <afiestas> apachelogger: skins uk, right?
[17:43] <apachelogger> yus
[17:43] <ScottK> Hogan's Heroes
[17:43] <apachelogger> whenver there is UK vs. US, one shall click the UK link as the US one will likely be a bad rip off
[17:43] <apachelogger> although there have been good ones too
[17:43] <apachelogger> like queer as folk
[17:44] <ScottK> The Young Ones (UK)
[17:44] <apachelogger> on a related note... RTD came up with queer as folk
[17:44] <apachelogger> oh ohoh
[17:44] <apachelogger> weeds
[17:45] <apachelogger> only yesterday a friend told me they apparently still produce that show
[17:45]  * apachelogger personally got bored after the first 1.5 seasons
[17:45]  * afiestas likes weeds and weed
[17:46] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686480/
[17:46] <apachelogger> was running hcitool scan and kded went kaput
[17:47] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:47] <apachelogger> so
[17:47] <apachelogger> a) my device is broken
[17:47] <apachelogger> b) there is a kernel bug
[17:47] <apachelogger> c) something is wrong with my bluedevil pkg
[17:47] <apachelogger> oh and d) something is wrong with our bluez stack
[17:48] <apachelogger> at some point bluetoohd goes "HCI dev 0 down"
[17:50] <apachelogger> well
[17:50] <apachelogger> it does not work for me
[17:50] <apachelogger> amd64 available in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[17:50] <apachelogger> i386 should be soonish
[17:55] <afiestas> apachelogger: well I'm developing bluedevil in kubuntu now.. os bluez kinda works at least for me
[19:30] <apachelogger> afiestas: must be something on my system then
[19:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: qapt has no models?
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> nope
[19:32] <apachelogger> why nut :(
[19:32] <apachelogger> also qapt Package needs to grow properties
[19:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so to get a list of packages I'd create a backend, init it and then call availablePackages?
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> yus
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: are you looking at doing QML stuff? There is a package model in libmuonprivate
[19:35] <apachelogger> bleh
[19:35] <apachelogger> that should totally move to libqapt IMHO
[19:35]  * apachelogger should be able to do it with a list of packages for now
[19:35] <apachelogger> (or so I think)
[19:38] <apachelogger> oh, right, no properties and no q_invokables
[19:38] <apachelogger> that makes matters more complicated :S
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> would adding properties affect ABI?
[19:41] <apachelogger> nope, they are part of the MOC
[19:41] <apachelogger> oh lord
[19:41] <apachelogger> Package is not even a QObject
[19:41] <apachelogger> ewww
[19:41] <apachelogger> :S S:S :S:S
[19:41] <apachelogger> that is a major PITA
[19:42] <apachelogger> if you want to keep it a non-QObject we'll have to derive it into a QObject
[19:42] <apachelogger> PackageQObject or something
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> I did that to lower memory overhead, plus it wasn't using signals/slots anyway
[19:42] <apachelogger> have additional getters in the backend
[19:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it would be using properties in qml :P
[19:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are copy ctors implemented for package?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> nope, but they only way you get them is in pointer form
[19:44] <apachelogger> that doesn't help the cause :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> so we'll have to have some sort of harness for qml
[19:44] <apachelogger> taking a pkg pointer and providing Q_PROPERTIES on it
[19:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/8K3Zb.png
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> :o
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> what if you had a .cpp object in the background that could mark a package from its model index?
[19:52] <apachelogger> what?
[19:52] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/120217/
[19:54] <ScottK> OK.  Another shot at -runtime uploaded.
[19:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now I need a UI mock :P
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: as the style suggests I am thinking about deploying it for harmattan btw ;)
[19:57] <apachelogger> I have a feeling people will come up with shitty pkg managers again
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> maemo 6?
[19:58] <apachelogger> yus
[19:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Is the xapian-index problem fixed?
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: upstream, yes. The 1.2.1 release is scheduled for tomorrow.
[19:58] <ScottK> Cool.
[19:59]  * apachelogger takes markey and dances
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> while it already could tell if an existing xapian index was out of date, it didn't detect the lack of one
[20:01] <apachelogger> bleh the listview in qml1 is so utter shite it makes me wanna barf all the time
[20:01] <apachelogger> you have to manually tell it to clip
[20:01] <apachelogger> also you have to wrap it in a super item or you'll get an uncontrollable white background
[20:02] <apachelogger> that thing has more pitfalls than java's string class
[20:05] <ScottK> 5 of the 11 armel builders are building qt or qtwebkit.  Pretty wild.
[20:06] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:06] <apachelogger> qt takes over the farm
[20:06] <ScottK> Mostly due to Qt security issues, but WTH.
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I have been thinking about making a BackendInterface class that is basically a bunch of virtual functions for interacting with the QApt backend. (Pure virtual for the ones that really need a GUI, like warning or error reporting) Basically like MuonMainWindow is now, but without all the GUI stuff wired in.
[20:10] <apachelogger> tricky to not make assumptions about the UI there, but yeah, that'd make sense
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do I get all packages in a group?
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: master phonon, it seems that Muon is not mooing anymore. It's using this code with a filename that I know is correct: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686532/
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> uhh
[20:11] <apachelogger> I presume availableGroups returns sane groups
[20:11] <apachelogger> the API docs are not very useful there bTW
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, availableGroups returns a list of every group that has been found in the availablePackages
[20:12] <apachelogger> so how do I filter?
[20:12] <apachelogger> manually?
[20:12] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> I used a QSortFilterProxyModel
[20:12] <apachelogger> ... exactly why there should be models in libqapt :P
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: about the phonon issue... you are not runnning phonon from git by any chance?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> nein
[20:13] <apachelogger> because I thought it to be an issue with the refactoring in pgst
[20:13] <apachelogger> no goody
[20:13] <CIA-130> [lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk] Jonathan Kolberg * 131 * debian/rules Also install zsh completion files
[20:13] <CIA-130> [trunk] Jonathan Kolberg *<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/rules Also install zsh completion files
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Phonon
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> I have 4:4.7.0really4.5.1-1ubuntu2
[20:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98++
[20:14] <bulldog98> apachelogger: thanks
[20:14] <bulldog98> why do I still have two of those commit messages?
[20:14] <apachelogger> cause ye broke it
[20:15] <bulldog98> how can you break it?
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/686534/
[20:15] <apachelogger> dunno
[20:15] <apachelogger> well
[20:15] <apachelogger> it is clearly emitting two messages
[20:16] <apachelogger> one with weird path and one without
[20:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: most puzzling... also is your pulseaudio broken?
[20:16] <apachelogger> it appear syour pgst is using alsa directly
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> it is not installed, due to bug 591036
[20:17] <apachelogger> ah
[20:18] <apachelogger> might just be an alsa compat problem then
[20:18] <apachelogger> "just"
[20:18] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I think I found the problem
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> pgst works w/ dragon, though
[20:19] <markey> someone had pinged me?
[20:19] <markey> apachelogger you?
[20:19] <apachelogger> no, I touched you inappropriately
[20:19] <apachelogger> apparently you did not care :(
[20:19] <markey> oh dear
[20:20] <markey> you shall repent
[20:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:     int state() const;
[20:21] <apachelogger> that is nothing short of horrifying TBH
[20:21] <apachelogger> markey: just don't tell my husband
[20:21] <apachelogger> he might want to kill us both
[20:23] <CIA-130> [lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk] Jonathan Kolberg * 132 * debian/rules Cleaned up the rules
[20:23] <CIA-130> [trunk] Jonathan Kolberg *<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/rules Cleaned up the rules
[20:23] <bulldog98> dam it
[20:24] <bulldog98> yofel: do you know what the problem could be?
[20:24] <ScottK> Heya BarkingFish.
[20:24] <BarkingFish> Hi ScottK
[20:24] <yofel> bulldog98: remove the other hook? I'm not too familiar with bzr post commit hook invocation internals
[20:25] <BarkingFish> I'd been meaning to get a word to you, I'm not gonna be around for about a month, unless I can get my other PC loaded and working with Kubuntu on it.  I've got to lend my laptop to a friend, so I'm transferring all of my data off here and into one of my spare drives for now.
[20:25] <bulldog98> Riddell: how can I disable bzr plugins that are buildin and replace them, without deleting the file
[20:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/iuhih.png
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: how do you mean "buildin"?
[20:26] <BarkingFish> I don't know how my old PC will adapt with Kubuntu on it, it's only got 1GB of RAM, and a cruddy little P4 Xeon in it, so I hope it'll work
[20:27] <BarkingFish> That is, of course, assuming I can find my Kubuntu disc to install from :)
[20:27] <bulldog98> Riddell: I don’t want the stuff under /usr/share/pyshared/bzrlib/plugins/cia to be called, but the stuff in ~/.bazaar/plugins instead
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> brb
[20:28] <Riddell> you can use BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=cia
[20:29] <bulldog98> Riddell: where do I put that in? ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf?
[20:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: it's an environment variable
[20:30] <Riddell> see also http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-reference/configuration-help.html#bzr-plugin-path
[20:30] <Riddell> or point it directly at the plugin you want with http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/user-reference/configuration-help.html#bzr-plugins-at
[20:31] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: an news regarding Amarok 2.4.3 for Natty?
[20:31] <Riddell> BZR_PLUGINS_AT=myplugin@/home/me/bugfixes/123456-myplugin
[20:32]  * bulldog98 needs to logout and login again
[20:36] <ScottK> BarkingFish: It'll work, but you'll probably want to investigate apachelogger's kubuntu-lowfat package.
[20:37] <Riddell> bulldog98: why?
[20:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: cause I want to test it with your dolphin plugin :)
[20:37] <bulldog98> an ~/.kde/env is only parsed while login
[20:38] <BarkingFish> At the moment it looks like I'm gonna have to install it via a USB key, I just discovered my old DVD drive is borked.
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> back
[20:39] <ScottK> BarkingFish: That should be easy enough.
[20:39] <ScottK> As soon as this -runtime build finishes (one way or the other) I'm going to go collapse for awhile.
[20:40] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Use usb-creator-kde from your existing Kubuntu install and it's dead simple to put the install media on a USB stick.
[20:40] <BarkingFish> excellent
[20:40] <BarkingFish> Thanks
[20:48] <apachelogger> great
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I refactored into brokeness :P
[20:53] <apachelogger> ah
[20:53] <apachelogger> fixed
[20:53] <apachelogger> yay
[20:54] <ScottK> Sigh.
[20:54] <ScottK> -runtime failed again.
[20:54] <ScottK> Builds on a PPA now.
[20:54] <ScottK> Not on buildd.
[20:54]  * ScottK goes for a rodrigo.
[21:00] <apachelogger> hf
[21:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/0NLVj.png
[21:01] <apachelogger> I really need some mockup
[21:01] <apachelogger> I am not meant to design guis
[21:02] <apachelogger> I am not even meant to design APIs and that is what I do most of the time :S
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> looks cool
[21:03] <CIA-130> [lp:~bulldog98/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk] Jonathan Kolberg * 133 * zsh_completion/_kgetsource Made completion for kgetsource better
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: commitChanges after having marked package for removal/install?
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> yus
[21:04] <apachelogger> ok, so I only needed to do that and have a working mobile package manager :P
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> then you'll need to listen for workerEvent, errorOcurred and warningOcurred
[21:04] <apachelogger>      * @see workerEvent()
[21:04] <apachelogger>      * @see commitProgress()
[21:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: docs need update I guess
[21:04]  * bulldog98 fixed that CIA think, kthx to Riddell for the pointer to the bzr setting
[21:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: what did you have to do?
[21:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: since I use yofel’s plugin and I have cia-plugins installed (they add a plugin to bzr) I had to set BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=cia
[21:06] <Riddell> yofel has a bzr plugin?
[21:06] <Riddell> to do what?
[21:07] <yofel> Riddell: it's a mod of jelmer's old one
[21:07] <yofel> since I couldn't get the one in the archive to work when I wanted one for neon
[21:07] <bulldog98> Riddell: to notify CIA-130 that there was a commit in the repro
[21:08] <yofel> also, the archive one shows junk as revno (revid I think)
[21:08] <bulldog98> yofel: maybe you should tell upstream to add your plugin
[21:09] <yofel> bulldog98: tell the LP devs to add cia support, that would be even better (there is a bug about that)
[21:10] <bulldog98> yofel: agreed, maybe we could add that in lp, but lp is a ugly moster, so only apachelogger could tame it :)
[21:10] <apachelogger> markey: y u not hanging?
[21:11] <markey> sec
[21:11] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I am not touching python, sir
[21:11] <yofel> bulldog98: well, and I don't really get how the cia plugin in the archive is designed, and no real intention to dig into it
[21:11]  * bulldog98 didn’t know lp was written in python
[21:12] <yofel> you never wondered why it was so slow? :P
[21:12] <markey> apachelogger: hanging out
[21:13] <bulldog98> but I could have guessed it nearly everything written within Canonical is written in python
[21:13] <apachelogger> markey: need to install plugin -.-
[21:13] <markey> k
[21:13] <markey> Mamarok: join us
[21:13] <bulldog98> yofel: I always thought it would be my connection :P
[21:13] <markey> Sput: you too?
[21:14] <yofel> bulldog98: your connection is hardly to blame if you get timeout errors :P
[21:14] <bulldog98> yofel: right :), maybe they should switch to assambly
[21:15] <yofel> that would go against the idea of being easy to contribute to...
[21:46] <BarkingFish> right guys, I'm off for the night.  I'll see you round, and hopefully my other PC by tomorrow will also be on kubuntu, so I don't have to quit while the laptop's gone :)
[21:46] <apachelogger>     void emitWorkerEvent(int event);
[21:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: int?
[21:46] <apachelogger> int!!!?????
[21:47] <apachelogger> why private to begin with, this is weird my friend
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> it sets d->state to the current event, and then emits workerEvent()
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> you dun need to worry about any of those private slots
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, http://api.kde.org/extragear-api/sysadmin-apidocs/libqapt/html/index.html
[21:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it aint working
[21:52] <apachelogger> !!!!!
[21:52] <apachelogger> so toInstallCount is not null
[21:52] <apachelogger> but calling commitChanges does absolutely and entirely nothing
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> you should get a popup asking for a pass from polkit
[21:55] <apachelogger> I don't
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> :s
[21:55] <apachelogger> though, I think I do not even get it with qapt-whatever
[21:55] <apachelogger> another successful kitware
[21:55] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:56]  * apachelogger goes for a cig
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> you can also run as root to bypass the problem :P
[22:03] <apachelogger> ah
[22:03] <apachelogger> it werx
[22:03] <apachelogger> sorta
[22:03] <apachelogger> does osmething
[22:48]  * debfx prepares a kde-workspace upload with the kwin performance patch
[22:49] <debfx> ScottK: how is the kde-runtime situation?
[23:21] <ScottK> debfx: Still broken.
[23:22] <ScottK> I thought I had things all nicely separated and it built locally and in a PPA.
[23:22] <ScottK> It didn't, so I took a nap.
[23:22] <ScottK> I didn't have a chance yet to examine the debris and see why.
[23:25]  * valorie passes the coffee and another donut to ScottK
[23:26] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:31] <markey> anyone wanna hang out on G+?
[23:31] <markey> apachelogger is there, and Mamarok, and Sput
[23:32] <markey> and me
[23:45] <markey> apachelogger: invite me please
[23:45] <apachelogger> markey: done and done
[23:46] <markey> kk


[01:20] <jenda> MenZa!
[01:20] <jenda> that's great
[01:51] <elkbuntu> jenda, how did matthewrevell do at the meeting?
[01:51] <jenda> Not enough CC members present :(
[01:51] <elkbuntu> so they didnt do memberships at all?
[01:52] <jenda> approved by mako, but that's it.
[01:52] <elkbuntu> i guess it was good i didnt wait up and try myself then ;)
[01:52] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:53] <poningru> yarr
[02:08] <johnlittle> I still havent been to sleep
[02:46] <johnlittle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMn72_unPWA
[02:48] <lophyte> hey everyone
[02:57] <poningru> lophyte: yarr
[03:01] <elkbuntu> it's not pirate day yet, poningru
[03:01] <poningru> elkbuntu: its pirate day everyday if you are a pirate
[03:01] <poningru> ;)
[03:01] <elkbuntu> #.^
[03:03] <poningru> :D
[03:03] <poningru> gaah wtf
[03:03] <poningru> brb
[03:07] <lophyte> lol
[03:11] <poningru> no seriously I cant do hexcode...
[03:11] <poningru> ctrl+shift isnt working
[03:27] <poningru> can someone verify this
[03:27] <poningru>  while holding down ctrl and shift, press b then press 5
[03:27] <lophyte> ?
[03:27] <lophyte> what?
[03:27] <poningru> what do you get?
[03:27] <lophyte> nothing o_o
[03:27] <poningru> sorry just trying to track down a bug
[03:28] <poningru> you on edgy?
[03:28] <lophyte> ...er
[03:28] <lophyte> wait
[03:28] <lophyte> unicode?
[03:28] <lophyte>
[03:28] <poningru> yeah
[03:28] <poningru> are you on edgy?
[03:28] <lophyte> no, dapper
[03:28] <poningru> or dapper?
[03:28] <lophyte>  <-- that's what I get
[03:29] <poningru> yeah it seems like a bug in edgy
[03:29] <poningru> cant do unicode anymore through ctrl+shift
[03:29] <lophyte> bummer :(
[07:37] <carthik> Hi folks, anyone know who pays for the Ubuntu billboards in the US?
[07:48] <elkbuntu> i'd guess one of the LUGs
[07:55] <Madpilot> there are LUGs with money? ;)
[07:56] <elkbuntu> they might have got a grant from a rich person?
[08:09] <nixternal> Canonical, for upcoming Ubuncon and what not
[08:09] <elkbuntu> aha
[08:10] <nixternal> notice they are all in the same area, preparing for the upcoming "Cons", Linuxcon and Ubucon...the new one is right by Google Headquarters
[08:10] <nixternal> i just found out from and insider as a matter of fact ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> not even 15 minutes ago
[08:10] <elkbuntu> nice
[08:10] <nixternal> haha carthik, from imbrandon at that
[08:10] <nixternal> lol
[08:10] <elkbuntu> lol
[08:11] <elkbuntu> good $time_of_day corey :)
[08:11] <carthik> nixternal, imbrandon told you that? no kidding :)
[08:12] <nixternal> ya, i just noticed you seen the same sign i did in the other channel
[08:14] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia - you just going to stay up until you've got to catch that plane?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[08:16] <Madpilot> heh
[08:17] <Madpilot> if the flight's at 0500, when do you have to be @ the terminal?
[08:17] <carthik> 0400 if you don't use a face cream. 0200 if you do :)
[08:18] <Madpilot> don't bother showing up if you want to take a bottle of water onto the plane :|
[08:18] <Burgundavia> 0545, but the airport leaves downtown at 0410
[08:18] <Burgundavia> airporter, rather
[08:18] <Madpilot> getting a cab downtown, I assume? No busses at that unholy hour
[09:01] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you can take advantage of being up all night to dist-upgrade ubuntu.ca ;)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: not going to happen
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I need to get my laptop working
[09:01] <Burgundavia> tried aiglx and it failed last night
[09:01] <Madpilot> that's what eyecandy gets you :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> no, likely a broken version of mesa
[09:03] <Madpilot> you running Edgy on the laptop too?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:03] <Burgundavia> aiglx is not available in dapper
[09:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: apparently I am no aiglx enabled
[09:15] <Burgundavia> however, I have no idea what to do now
[09:15] <Madpilot> enjoy the bling?
[09:15] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> there is no bling
[09:17] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, fwiw, i had aiglx running on dapper the other night...it was pretty cool, but i got sick of gnome really quick ;)
[09:17] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am using aiglx and metacity
[09:17] <Burgundavia> how do I enable the bling?
[09:17] <nixternal> i followed the forums and it worked right from the get go
[09:17] <nixternal> at term type
[09:17] <nixternal> compiz-start
[09:18] <nixternal> that should start the bling
[09:18] <Burgundavia> right, using metacity, not compiz
[09:18] <nixternal> doh
[09:18] <nixternal> i couldn't tell ya then ;)
[09:18] <nixternal> i thought compiz was the bling..then again, i really haven't read up on it...only seen the screencasts
[09:18] <Burgundavia> right, but metacity has some bling around as well
[09:24] <Burgundavia> at least I got AIGLX running
[09:24] <Burgundavia> I will play with compiz later
[09:24] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia, compiz is pretty cool...i like some of the bling it offers, as it is actually functional..however, there is some bling i could do without
[09:24] <Burgundavia> right
[09:36] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://<IP_ADDRESS>/gnome-is-people.svg ?
[09:41] <mdke> the latter looks like it's on your home network
[09:42] <mdke> (as opposed to the internet)
[09:47] <Burgundavia> mdke: oh, sorry, replace the 192 addy with ubuntu-ca.org
[09:47] <Burgundavia> I cannot access my server from the url at home
[09:57] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i prefer the second one you listed.. it's not as cliche a pic
[09:58] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: the 4 people?
[09:59] <elkbuntu> yes
[09:59] <elkbuntu> the other one is just too 'msn-like'
[09:59] <elkbuntu> imho
[09:59] <Burgundavia> I value all input
[10:04] <jenda> damn... what was that
[10:06] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: ooh, what's that for?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: GNOME booth at LWE
[10:07] <Burgundavia> 11x17 poster
[10:07] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ignore the issue with the fonts and the cutoff, those are easy to deal with
[10:07] <Burgundavia> focus on teh words and the overall layout
[10:07] <matthewrevell> matthewrevell: Cool. As elkbuntu said, I think the four people version works best.
[10:07] <Burgundavia> glad you are good at talking to yourself there. Maybe that is why you make a good lugradio host ;)
[10:07] <matthewrevell> I wish I had chance to look at the brochure, but I'm chock busy today :(
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Sorry, just popped in to see what was going on.
[10:08] <Burgundavia> no worries
[10:08] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: can you give it 10 secs? does it stand out?
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: looking now
[10:08] <matthewrevell> bur
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: waiting for the pdf
[10:09] <Burgundavia> my server might be slow
[10:09] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I know it's easy for me to look at this and point out the bits I think don't work...
[10:09] <matthewrevell> so, sorry
[10:09] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:09] <matthewrevell> but it does feel a bit cluttered to me
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:10] <Burgundavia> something I was concerned about too
[10:10] <matthewrevell> What's the LWE audience?
[10:10] <matthewrevell> developers?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> and users, business people mostly
[10:11] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I think, then, it focuses too much of features/technologies, rather than benefits. Again,e asy for me to say.
[10:11] <matthewrevell> just a bit
[10:11] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:11] <Burgundavia> something a lot of marketing fails at
[10:11] <matthewrevell> I mean, I'd want to know why I should care that it's released every six months
[10:11] <matthewrevell> To me, as a business user, that could be more of a liability
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:13] <matthewrevell> I'd be happy to give more thorough comments by email.
[10:13] <matthewrevell> If that'd be useful
[10:14] <matthewrevell> BTW - I don't understand the "More thanjust a Calculator" line
[10:14] <matthewrevell> Is there a brand of calculator called "Gnome" in the US and Canada?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ok, will dig around further
[10:15] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Who did the copy?
[10:15] <matthewrevell> I mean, did you?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> the text? some of me and some of davyd
[10:16] <Burgundavia> adapted from an old brochure
[10:16] <matthewrevell> Right.
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ok, thanks for the feedback
[10:17] <matthewrevell> noprobs.
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I don't realistically if I am going to have time to fix it
[10:18] <Burgundavia> we need to have *something* to hand out
[10:18] <matthewrevell> I'd be interested in rewriting the copy.
[10:18] <matthewrevell> When do you need it for?
[10:18] <matthewrevell> (I'm not saying my version would be perfect, but it's another option).
[10:19] <Burgundavia> yesterday?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> by the end of the day, your time, would be smashing
[10:20] <matthewrevell> Ah, today's pretty difficult, but I'd love to find time for it.
[10:20] <matthewrevell> I'll try to get something over later./
[10:20] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:07] <jenda> rjian: ping?
[11:07] <jenda> I don't like your username. Please confirm not being a bot...
[11:08] <Burgundavia> jenda: he is indeed a non-bot
[11:08] <jenda> OK, sorry.
[11:08] <Burgundavia> no worries. He should still change it
[11:10] <KenSentMe|afk> What's wrong with that name?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> KenSentMe: he has bot as his name
[11:10] <KenSentMe> Hi, btw
[11:11] <Madpilot> KenSentMe, not his nick, but the first part of his actual username
[11:11] <Madpilot><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:11] <KenSentMe> Ah, i see now
[11:11] <KenSentMe> Never look at that part when someone logs in
[11:13] <KenSentMe> How do you set that username? Can i change it somewhere?
[11:13] <Madpilot> I generally check that sort of thing, but then being an op in #ubuntu causes certain kinds of paranoia ;)
[11:14] <Madpilot> KenSentMe, in XChat's setup, it's listed as "Username"
[11:14] <KenSentMe> I use irssi
[11:14] <KenSentMe> But i know where to look
[11:37] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: email received and response sent
[11:38] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: UWN is a newspaper and journalism is hard(TM)
[11:38] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: erm, okay, that's fine, I just wanted to know where you guys found the info.
[11:39] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: brains, igor, ours brains!!!
[11:42] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'm happy to do the legwork, but just wanted some pointers.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> being a reporter is also a great way to "get out into the community" so to speak
[11:57] <matthewrevell> cool
[12:16] <jenda> Hey MenZa
[12:16] <MenZa> hi
[12:20] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[12:22] <Burgundavia> off to catch my flight, cya all
[01:14] <KenSentMe> I have a question about the Fridge rss-feed. Why do some posts show up three times in my rss reader Liferea?
[01:15] <KenSentMe> Is the feed a buggy one and shouldn't we fix it?
[01:16] <Madpilot> I've seen bugs like that with other feeds in my RSS reader (Opera's onboard one), so it's not just your RSS reader, whatever the bug is
[01:18] <KenSentMe> Well, if it is buggy, then we should do something about it. It's a bit bad to have a buggy feed from an organisation that produces software
[01:24] <mdke> you might want to raise it with the fridge team
[01:25] <mdke> even better, offer to fix it, if you have some experience with drupal
[01:26] <KenSentMe> mdke: sadly i don't. But maybe i can find the source of the problem
[01:26] <mdke> you can get hold of the fridge team at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:27] <mdke> I have to say I can't see the problem on my feed reader (netvibes)
[01:31] <digitalmouse> which feed exactly?  I can try with my reader to see if I get the same behaviour
[01:32] <mdke> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/feed
[01:44] <KenSentMe> I've installed a second feed reader, so now i only have to wait for a new double thread
[01:47] <KenSentMe> I've found out that i get double posts when something is changed in the post, like spelling correction or something
[01:52] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Isn't it just normal behaviour for an updated post to re-appear in a feed? You can, usually, configure your reader to ignore updated posts.
[02:24] <jenda> MenZa: Great thing you're coming this way. You think school would let you drop off for a bit and have a beer or something ;)
[02:28] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: i don't know for sure, but i thought that in my feed reader updated posts become unread again and aren't double posted
[02:28] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: looking for examples now
[02:29] <jenda> MenZa: you could even save for shipping and simply bring the stickers.
[02:29] <MenZa> jenda: I'm 15, I doubt I'll be allowed to get a beer ;)
[02:29] <MenZa> jenda: Whereabouts do you live?
[02:30] <MenZa> Thursday, Sept. 28 I'll be in Prague.
[02:30] <jenda> MenZa: Getting a beer in Prague is no problem from the age of 3 or 4, and I live in the center of Prague.
[02:30] <jenda>
[02:30] <MenZa> Well, I doubt the school would allow me anyway ;)
[02:31] <MenZa> Well we could perhaps meet in Prague and I could give you the stickers at some point then... maybe.
[02:31] <jenda> (Of course, under the presumption that you want a beer - and in Prague, you are only expected to want a beer since about 10)
[02:31] <MenZa> I don't know what the teachers'll say
[02:31] <MenZa> hah
[02:31] <MenZa> Yes, I like beer ;)
[02:31] <jenda> Well, if they give you any time off - be sure to drop a line
[02:32] <MenZa> I will :)
[02:32] <MenZa> My teacher said something about going to the opera at some point.
[02:34] <MenZa> Live close to where that's located?
[02:40] <mdke> matthewrevell: perhaps if we avoid "create new revision" it will solve the problem
[02:41] <matthewrevell> mdke: I've unticked that, but the update still appears in the feed.
[02:42] <matthewrevell> mdke: It also appears that a new forum topic is created each time a story re-appears in the feed
[02:42] <mdke> yeah, saw that
[02:43] <jenda> MenZa: yes
[02:43] <jenda> quite close
[02:43] <jenda> How long will the stay be?
[02:43] <MenZa> Just one day in Prague.
[02:43] <jenda> I see
[02:44] <jenda> in that case, it ain't all that probable that they'll let you wander off. But we could just meet en passant somewhere.
[02:44] <MenZa> Yes, probably :)
[02:45] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: which version of drupal do you use for the fridge?
[02:48] <digitalmouse> drupal eevviill!  either that or I have stupid clients...  most clients can't seem to get their head around Drupal's node terminology... yet Joomla or MODx seem to be fairly 'idiot-proof' for people new to CMSs...  but otherwise drupal is nicely done.
[02:48] <digitalmouse> *change 'yet' to 'but'
[02:49] <KenSentMe> I've only used joomla, never tried drupal actually
[02:51] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: you're evil ;)
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:52] <digitalmouse> latest drupal and joomla are quite nice, in my opinion...  just my clients seems to figure out joomla faster for some reason
[02:53] <digitalmouse> maybe the interface is easier to 'grok'
[02:53] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Sorry, not sure on the version
[03:06] <johnlittle> did my comments to the fridge list go through?
[03:33] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, someone on the -marketing list seems to have gotten confused about you using the ubuntu site template
[03:35] <mdke> johnlittle: which comments?
[03:36] <KenSentMe> mdke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000978.html
[03:37] <mdke> KenSentMe: that isn't written by johnlittle
[03:38] <johnlittle> mdke: sorry - the comments to the fridge developers list about clean urls
[03:38] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: saw that
[03:38] <KenSentMe> mdke: sorry, was confused by elkbuntu's post, sorry
[03:39] <mdke> johnlittle: only the first one, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/fridge-devel/2006-August/000903.html
[03:39] <mdke> nothing since my reply to that
[03:39] <johnlittle> mdke: cant see that..login required
[03:40] <mdke> johnlittle: you're subscribed, aren't you?
[03:40] <johnlittle> mdke: ahh nm gmail burried your reply
[03:40] <mdke> it's your subscription login
[03:43] <johnlittle> mdke: got it..thanks
[03:51] <mdke> johnlittle: any ideas about what is needed source-wise?
[03:55] <johnlittle> mdke: I just replied to you
[03:56] <johnlittle> mdke: It's minor..template urls may be hardcoded and need tweaking and there may be a minor .htaccess edit required
[03:56] <johnlittle> mdke: not really coding - just edits
[03:57] <mdke> johnlittle: ok, let's move to #ubuntu-fridge
[04:21] <johnlittle> amazing how much european traffic im getting after the fridge plug..ubuntu must be doing well in europe
[04:21] <mindspin> it does
[04:21] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I'm about to write up a story on the free Ubuntu stick offer.
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I checked with them first, though, and thet seem happy enough.
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Concerned it might overwhelm them.
[04:22] <johnlittle> the system76 guys?
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: yup
[04:22] <johnlittle> cool
[04:25] <johnlittle> I'm getting contacted by some of the people behind the videos ive posted already.
[04:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: positive?
[04:27] <johnlittle> very..theyre offering to create more
[04:28] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: superb!
[04:54] <digitalmouse> johnlitte:  (regarding your 'amazed at the european traffic) yes indeed! I'm in north-western Germany, and I do what I can to promote ubuntu- I also point people regularly to the Fridge
[04:54] <digitalmouse> johnlittle*
[04:55] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ah, that explains it :-D
[04:55] <johnlittle> Digitalmouse: Great! I'm seeing lots of traffic from Germany
[04:56] <digitalmouse> although I'm a little annoyed that my recent requests for more CDs have been rejected - but that's not the topic at hand (*goes back to sleep*)
[04:57] <digitalmouse> I've probably dropped 30+ production CDs, and nearly as many self-burned copies to the unwashed MS masses... I'd say about 45% of them have left the 'dark side'
[04:59] <digitalmouse> working on some kind of kubuntu/LTSP combo, and have dropped this idea to many locals, so it's possible that a large chunk of the Germany hits are people looking this stuff up to see what I was talking about :-p
[05:01] <mindspin> could we do anything that merketing-tem members can get "more" cd's ?
[05:01] <mindspin> marketing -team
[05:03] <matthewrevell> mindspin: I've never used ShipIt, but I imagine that they judge each case on the information they're given.
[05:04] <matthewrevell> mindspin: If we were in a position where we had a coordinated campaign that required ShipIt CDs and we gave them enough notice, I'm sure we could come to an arrangement with Canonical.
[05:04] <mindspin> you can not give that much info over their website
[05:04] <johnlittle> http://planet.gnome.org/
[05:05] <jenda> Yes, organised campaigns do get large amounts of CDs if needed.
[05:05] <mdke> matthewrevell: yes, absolutely you can get significant numbers of cds
[05:05] <mdke> especially through locoteam initiatives
[05:05] <mindspin> While we will consider all requests, due to extremely high demand we may choose to send a smaller number of CDs, or refuse your request altogether.
[05:05] <mindspin> Requesting a smaller number of CDs or a standard option will increase your chances of having the request approved. Remember, you can reuse the CDs!
[05:06] <jenda> Gah, please don't paste.
[05:06] <mindspin> that#s what is stated on shipit when you go for larger amounts of cd's
[05:06] <matthewrevell> ShipIt is, AFAIK, unique. Freespire, for example, will be charging its community for similar CDs.
[05:07] <matthewrevell> As jenda and mdke say, if we have a coordinated campaign and can justify the need for larger numbers of CDs, they'll help us.
[05:07] <mdke> of course
[05:07] <mindspin> I have no problem with burning the cd#s by myself, its the  printed cardboard box which looks far ore professional ;-)
[05:07] <jenda> yes
[05:08] <digitalmouse> mindspin, my last 2 orders from shipit *were* standard orders (a default selection of i386, 64-bit, and PPC CDs) for ubuntu and Kubuntu.  and both rejected :-(
[05:09] <mindspin> huh, so I was lucky, getting my "standard order" for kubuntu cd's
[05:09] <matthewrevell> mindspin: That depends on how many previous orders digitalmouse had made recently.
[05:09] <digitalmouse> previous order for kubuntu CDs were sent ok.. just my recent requests were bumped off
[05:10] <digitalmouse> two sets of Breezy, one set of Dapper <-- these came ok, no trouble.   2 new requests for ubuntu and kubuntu standard orders:  rejected
[05:10] <digitalmouse> (er.. last 2 sets were dapper)
[05:10] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: There's a balance to be found, here. Of course, Canonical benefit from the distribution of ShipIt CDs. However, the CDs are a limited resource. If you've had a lot recently, or Germany has had loads, they may look to send to other people/countries the next time.
[05:11] <mindspin> we gave away about 1000 at linuxtag in may
[05:11] <mdke> yep, free CDs are not a right, but a privilege
[05:12] <digitalmouse> true, and good point... guess I'll need to invest in a couple of stacks of CDs, and use my new portable DVD burner (Philips model) - it has a grayscale printer built into the burner.  I'll use that to create professional labels for now until Canonical catches up
[05:12] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Wow, that sounds like a cool device.
[05:12] <mdke> digitalmouse: your local team may be able to help
[05:12] <mindspin> haha
[05:12] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: i can confirm now that my feed reader just makes posts unread if they are changed and not makes a new post (except for the fridge)
[05:13] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Arg :) Okay, thanks. It's been raised a few times now, but we need server access to fix it.
[05:13] <digitalmouse> don't have the model here, but I'll pass it on...   it burn on a specially covered Phillips CDs/DVDs... sort like the old dotmatrix printers that 'burned' or 'etched' images onto paper without needing ink... it gives a nice grayscale label output directly on the surface of the media...
[05:13] <digitalmouse> gotta run.. catch oyu folks later
[05:13] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: do you already now how to fix it?
[05:13] <digitalmouse> you*
[05:14] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: I don't, but we have a couple of offers of Drupal help.
[05:14] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: cool
[05:23] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: ping
[05:23] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, pong
[05:24] <johnlittle> Have you been swamped with emails since the counter went live?
[05:24] <elkbuntu> not really, ive had a few, mostly decent
[05:25] <johnlittle> thats good
[05:26] <elkbuntu> yours is a bit more controversial though
[05:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I think, possibly, Hubert is missing the point in his blog post.
[05:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: He's not your target audience.
[05:28] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: The people you are targeting, I imagine, aren't already running Ubuntu. They do use Flash, they are happy to use YouTube.
[05:28] <johnlittle> matthewrevell: exactly. I'm not going to worry about the zealots. I'm confident in my mission :)
[05:29] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I believe in free software. I also believe in pragmatism and taking our message to people.
[05:30] <matthewrevell> We can't be aloof and expect them to come to us.
[05:30] <johnlittle> same here
[05:30] <ompaul> johnlittle,  zealots are people too  (cough cough cough)
[05:30] <johnlittle> theres a place for us all ;)
[05:30] <ompaul> johnlittle, here in lies the truth
[05:31] <ompaul> anyone think the old marketing list is gone a little quiet?
[05:31] <ompaul> I should stop
[05:31] <johnlittle> opaul: need a drama fix?
[05:31] <ompaul> johnlittle, hahaha
[05:32] <ompaul> a brilliant repost sire, I shall retire and laugh with the merryment
[05:32] <johnlittle> the ML and this channel seem like two different groups entirely
[05:32] <ompaul> yeap
[05:32] <ompaul> methinks some of the mailing list should actually be invited into the channel
[05:33] <johnlittle> scary thought
[05:33] <johnlittle> we tend to get some work done in here..not much debate about what is love? and the inclusiveness of marketing blabber
[05:34] <ompaul> johnlittle, no I think after they were told in a chorus two or three times "Nooo thanks" they might try to engage within the normal scope of irc
[05:34] <johnlittle> maybe
[05:36] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you noticed the 27hour lack of something also?
[05:36] <ompaul> elkbuntu, yeap
[05:42] <ompaul> sorry about the length of the next one I have reworked it twice -- it needs more
[05:42] <ompaul> one of the assumptions that people make when they approach any FLOSS project (in particular for the first time) is that they assume that it would work better if X was in place, I think what I wanted to get across in my (this is the phrase I struggled to define for the last few weeks) "community map" is that there is no "leadership" in whatever their domain of expertise is, rather than seeing it as a disruptive technology and as such its in
[05:42] <ompaul> terfaces are none obvious, to present them in a simple binary questionaire might be the easiest - do you want to find out more a) yes (send me anywhere) b) yes I have a technical problem c) yes I think this rocks and I can't see a way to participate can you show me one, is that a reasonable way of phrasing the question
[05:45] <matthewrevell> ompaul: you need a blog :)
[05:46] <ompaul> matthewrevell, maybe
[05:46] <nixternal> blogs are bad
[05:46] <nixternal> they are evil
[05:46] <ompaul> nixternal, and why is this?
[05:47] <matthewrevell> :)
[05:47] <nixternal> i don't know, but if and when i find out, i will make sure you are the first person i tell ;)
[05:47] <ompaul> hehehe
[05:47] <nixternal> ok, i know
[05:47] <nixternal> i spent all day messing with mine trying to get it to look different than others, thats why
[05:48] <ompaul> nixternal, no that is Tuesdays are evil
[05:48] <nixternal> and 2, i have been so cheap, that i run other peoples domains and what not, but have never gotten my own...what kind of geek am i?
[05:48] <nixternal> sounds like you got a case of the Mondays
[05:48] <nixternal> ;)
[05:49] <ompaul> nixternal, no I have the fridays 6pm and why am I still in work syndrome
[05:49] <ompaul> nixternal, I don't let this stuff drop at all
[05:50] <ompaul> right to the wordsmiths foundry
[08:11] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/about_ubuntu_video
[08:12] <johnlittle> Added an additional disclaimer since some people seemed fuzzy about the whole thing
[08:16] <MitchM> very good work there johnlittle
[08:17] <johnlittle> Thanks
[08:17] <MitchM> Where do you have that hosted?
[08:17] <johnlittle> hostingmatters
[08:17] <MitchM> how much does that run?
[08:17] <johnlittle> great company. I've used the for about 4 years
[08:18] <MitchM> I'll have to look into that
[08:18] <johnlittle> Um $11 a month now but I'll probably have to up it to a higher bandwidth account within a week
[08:18] <MitchM> Getting good traffic?
[08:19] <johnlittle> for a new site very good but I expect it to grow: http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s25ubuntuvideo&r=6
[08:19] <MitchM> not bad at all
[08:20] <MitchM> You partake at all in SpreadUbuntu?
[08:20] <johnlittle> The fridge article is getting it noticed but I haven't been around long enough to seed the search engines much
[08:20] <johnlittle> I'm not directly involved in that..my understanding is that it's kind of in flux..maybe being folded into the fridge
[08:20] <johnlittle> I don't know for sure though
[08:21] <MitchM> very cool
[08:21] <MitchM> Trying to get a grasp myself of everything thats going on in the puzzle of ubuntu
[08:21] <johnlittle> Good luck :)
[08:21] <MitchM> hard to jump in somewhere when your just starting
[08:22] <MitchM> well if you need any help with anything I do some web design stuff and I can host sites for free
[08:22] <johnlittle> Read up on the team wiki and talk to people but don't be afraid to take initiative either.
[08:23] <MitchM> read the wiki I have
[08:23] <MitchM> idle here is what I came up with
[08:23] <MitchM> =)
[08:23] <johnlittle> Not a bad plan
[08:23] <johnlittle> Most of the actul work seems to originate out of this channel as opposed to the mailing list
[08:23] <MitchM> well thats good news for me I suppose
[08:24] <MitchM> Looking for a gap to put my foot in
[08:24] <johnlittle> Good idea to sign up at the launchpad and fill out your personal wiki as well so people can get to know you - you can post your ideas or service offerings there too
[08:25] <MitchM> I am on the launchpad team
[08:25] <MitchM> not exactly familiar with the system yet
[08:26] <MitchM> but I have a profile and a pgp key listed
[08:26] <johnlittle> Same here..it doesn't seem to play much of a role in day to day work for the team
[08:27] <johnlittle> It
[08:27] <johnlittle> It's more of a roster
[08:27] <MitchM> ah gotcha...
[08:28] <MitchM> Where would I post service offerings?
[08:28] <MitchM> I.E. Free hosting for ubuntu related sties
[08:29] <johnlittle> Look at some of the team members wikis (listed in their launchpad pages) or on the marketing team project list to get an idea of what kind of content is out there
[08:29] <johnlittle> nixternals is good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal
[08:29] <johnlittle> You can essentially format it however you like..within reason
[08:30] <johnlittle> You get to yours via your launchpad bio..click on wiki then edit.
[08:32] <MitchM> ah very nice.
[08:32] <MitchM> your help is greatly appreciated =)
[08:32] <MitchM> any areas you know of where I can "put my foot in the water"?
[08:32] <MitchM> I know there have been many items on the mailing lists etc. etc.
[08:33] <MitchM> but I don't exactly know where to start
[08:33] <johnlittle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[08:34] <johnlittle> the project section is best. You can also bring your own ideas to the table but they should be things that you can take the lead on and execute...getting community support will take some effort and coordination
[08:35] <MitchM> and where would one submit ideas?
[08:35] <MitchM> just in the mailing list?
[08:36] <MitchM> *reads the projects page and finds answer*
[08:36] <johnlittle> You can do that. I'm leaning towards a wiki-based proposal though. That's how I'd do it anyway.
[08:36] <MitchM> ah very good =)
[08:36] <johnlittle> FYI theres plenty of brainstorming but fewer people working.
[08:36] <johnlittle> working is good
[08:37] <MitchM> I like working,
[08:37] <MitchM> Just need to again find out where my skills can come in handy
[08:38] <johnlittle> Yep. Don't be afraid to think small either. Everybody wants to think big in marketing but sometimes thinking small, and actually doing something, gets you further along
[08:40] <MitchM> hmm good advice
[08:41] <MitchM> it seems that wiki leads to wiki that leads to wiki
[08:41] <johnlittle> Yep you can get lost in wikis
[08:42] <johnlittle> Oh, and youre always welcome to make videos for Ubuntu Video :)
[08:42] <johnlittle> always gotta add that
[08:43] <johnlittle> I don't even care if you post your companies url on your title screen or something..as long as the video is informative for the viewers
[08:44] <MitchM> hmm ... that could work
[08:45] <MitchM> any specific program you use for capturing video?
[08:45] <johnlittle> I don't mess with videos at all..theres some links on the share page though
[08:45] <MitchM> very cool; I will delve into that
[08:45] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/share_your_ubuntu_with_the_world
[08:49] <MitchM> very cool
[08:52] <johnlittle> It doens't have to be a screencast though..you can put on a penguin suit and raid a mall or something
[08:52] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:52] <johnlittle> Disclaimer: john little didn't say that
[08:52] <MenZa> not a bad idea, johnlittle.
[08:53] <johnlittle> menza: i want tons of practical tutorials and stuff but I wouldn't mind some activism and even entertaining stuff as long as its related
[08:53] <MenZa> if only I had a camera..
[08:54] <johnlittle> Ah surely you can find one somehwere..they come with ahppy meals now
[08:54] <johnlittle> cameras are everywhere
[08:54] <johnlittle> happy meals
[08:55] <johnlittle> could be..that would be awesome
[08:56] <MitchM> =)
[08:56] <johnlittle> it's all about getting attention for Ubuntu so mixing in some flashy stuff wouldnt hurt
[08:56] <johnlittle> people wont be seduced by open source panel discussions
[08:57] <johnlittle> well most won't anyway
[08:57] <MitchM> the ones that are.. well; we all know.
[08:57] <johnlittle> yeah they're already here
[08:58] <johnlittle> The dual monitor ut2004 video was perfect...people don't associate linux with gaming like that
[08:58] <MitchM> yeah -- agreed.
[08:58] <johnlittle> that guy is making more too..which is good
[08:58] <MitchM> gaming is still a little behind on linux though
[08:58] <MitchM> in my opinion
[08:59] <johnlittle> yeah a little but its easier with wine than people think
[08:59] <johnlittle> WoW runs great on my machine, better than on my windows 2k box..and thats what 5 million gamers?
[08:59] <MitchM> oh really?
[08:59] <MitchM> I gave up wine back in the day
[08:59] <MitchM> when Starcraft gave me problems
[09:00] <johnlittle> rean i run at 1600x1200, cranked up, flawlessly
[09:00] <MitchM> hmm...
[09:00] <johnlittle> same with quake4, ut200, enemy territory, medal of honer
[09:00] <johnlittle> ut2004
[09:01] <johnlittle> it is behind but again not the dealbreaker for most people that they assume it is
[09:02] <johnlittle> my wow screenshots: http://www.blogsofwar.com/gallery/category/screenshots/
[09:03] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: does medal of honor run well on your system
[09:03] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: with me it's much slower then on windows
[09:03] <johnlittle> you running the native linux version?
[09:04] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: i tried, but it didn't run as smooth as the windows one.
[09:04] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: and the main bummer is that the dmw anti cheat doesn't work on linux
[09:05] <johnlittle> Hm i havent played any games in a while but I havent run into performance issues
[09:05] <KenSentMe> So i can't use it, because all servers are cheat protected
[09:05] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: well, quake4 and Enemy Territory run fine
[09:06] <johnlittle> yeah ET is old..but fun :)
[09:06] <KenSentMe> yeah, i play it every day. Instead of working :p
[09:07] <johnlittle> I don't know much about the anti-cheat thing...I assume you googled it
[09:07] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: they don't support linux, it just doesn't work and i think it won't work in the near future
[09:07] <KenSentMe> They've got enough work to do to make a descent anti cheat client on windows
[09:08] <MitchM> :-P
[09:09] <johnlittle> You'd think that would be easy enough to port over..sadly it probably is
[09:11] <KenSentMe> Well, gaming is still one of the main reasons that i don't throw away windows completely
[09:14] <MitchM> same.
[09:14] <MitchM> the only really
[09:14] <johnlittle> It's going to be like that for a lot of people for a while.
[09:14] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: i'm afraid so
[09:15] <johnlittle> its a catch 22 - the gaming companies will only come around when theres a big enough market and there will only big a big enough makret when people can play their games
[09:17] <MitchM> well my attempt at installing xvidcap has ended in failure ^.^
[09:19] <johnlittle> I've never installed it. what happened?
[09:20] <MitchM> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:20] <MitchM> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:20] <MitchM> Error: Can't open display: :0
[09:20] <KenSentMe> MitchM: it worked here too
[09:20] <MitchM> it worked?
[09:21] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45795&page=3
[09:21] <johnlittle> might want to check a couple of posts in that thread about using it with dapper
[09:22] <KenSentMe> MitchM: still does
[09:22] <MitchM> there was a libpng.so.2 error I googled on and I sym linked it to the libpng.so.3
[09:23] <MitchM> i.e. the missing libpng.so.2 symlinked to libpng.so.3
[09:25] <MitchM> hmm good thread john. Looks like that will get it done when i have a minute here...
[09:26] <johnlittle> It's ironic but I've never done video related stuff on linux
[09:27] <johnlittle> I hope it gets a lot easier..it's an area that definitely need improving
[09:27] <johnlittle> need
[09:27] <johnlittle> er needs
[09:29] <MitchM> =P
[09:34] <johnlittle> interesting http://www.eefoof.com/
[09:35] <johnlittle> that company pays video submitters based on hits
[09:35] <johnlittle> so ubuntu video contributers could actually profit
[09:35] <MitchM> hmm interesting
[09:36] <matthewrevell> anyone else around earlier, when Burgundavia posted a link to his Gnome handout?
[09:37] <johnlittle> nope
[09:37] <poningru> matthewrevell: the pdfs?
[09:37] <poningru> yeah I think I have the links hold on
[09:37] <matthewrevell> poningru: Yehah
[09:37] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[09:38] <matthewrevell> thanks!
[09:38] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg
[09:38] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg
[09:38] <poningru> np
[09:39] <johnlittle> oh i think i see a typo on that
[09:39] <johnlittle> the pdf..recomilation..should that be recompilation
[09:40] <johnlittle> in the stable section at the bottom
[09:41] <poningru> true
[11:01] <matthewrevell> Okay, the mailing list is a scary place.
[11:02] <matthewrevell> It must be an intimidating place to new people.
[11:02] <matthewrevell> Any suggestions for fixing the windbag-overload>
[11:03] <mdke> continue asking people to give it a rest, and point newcomers towards the wiki?
[11:04] <matthewrevell> I'm worried that people will think we're getting repetetive
[11:04] <mdke> this team seems to attract craziness :/
[11:06] <matthewrevell> Yup.
[11:18] <johnlittle> yeah I would have bailed if I hadn't finished my project before joining :)
[11:19] <johnlittle> Those who haven't found their way here must be really confused..quite possible scared
[11:19] <johnlittle> possibly
[11:19] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I think the only way to fix that will be to get on and do stuff.
[11:20] <johnlittle> meaning?
[11:23] <johnlittle> matthewrevell: do stuff?
[11:23] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Basically, I've no intention of replying to the madder than a badger stuff, any more.


[00:23] <didrocks> time to go to bed, have a good week-end :)
[00:26] <bryceh> cya didrocks
[10:41] <didrocks> RAOF: btw, I'm thinking about the --as-needed patch we often add to packages, do you know why it's not part of GNOME autogen.sh when generating ltmain.sh.?
[15:23] <asac> !test
[15:23] <asac> thanks for confirming that i am still here
[15:28] <asac_> yay another reconnect
[15:29]  * asac goes for tea time rather than wasting time fiddling with router and /reconnect
[16:00] <LaserJock> any UNE people around?
[16:02] <geser> is it about the mandatory settings?
[16:03] <didrocks> LaserJock: I'm there :)
[16:04] <LaserJock> geser: yes
[16:04] <LaserJock> I was wondering what the "plan" was with that
[16:04] <didrocks> LaserJock: there are some keys which are mandatories and others that are default now
[16:05] <LaserJock> my panel looks terrible but I figured there must be some master plan
[16:05] <didrocks> LaserJock: terrible?
[16:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[16:05] <didrocks> LaserJock: how? can you be a little bit more precise, please?
[16:05] <LaserJock> things are out of place
[16:05] <didrocks> LaserJock: can you post a screenshot?
[16:06] <LaserJock> yeah, one sec
[16:06] <LaserJock> basically, it's impossible to add applets from within UNE
[16:06] <didrocks> right
[16:06] <LaserJock> so I went in to regular GNOME and added them
[16:06] <LaserJock> and when I went back in to UNE things were a bit messed up
[16:06] <didrocks> hum, normally you can't add new applets in UNE and those are default
[16:07] <didrocks> adding into the GNOME session shouldn't add them to UNE
[16:08] <LaserJock> well, I didn't get new ones in UNE (bad) and my existing ones got re-arranged
[16:08] <LaserJock> one sec on the screenie
[16:08] <didrocks> that shouldn't happen, strange :)
[16:08] <didrocks> and yes, you shouldn't get new one in UNE, this is by design and tech limitation
[16:09] <didrocks> (because of providing the new capability to run both GNOME and UNE in the same machine)
[16:10] <LaserJock> http://laserjock.us/Screenshot-1.png
[16:10] <LaserJock> but why are the applets mandatory? wouldn't default be better?
[16:10] <didrocks> LaserJock: as told just before, that internal to gconf settings if you want both UNE and GNOME session
[16:11] <didrocks> so ok, the calendar isn't in the right place
[16:11] <didrocks> (time applet)
[16:11] <didrocks> that can be fixed
[16:12] <LaserJock> at first I didn't have any time applet
[16:12] <didrocks> right, this is an issue I have to fix
[16:12] <didrocks> gconf bug about mandatory settings :)
[16:12] <LaserJock> I was trying to add the time applet, tomboy, and system monitor
[16:12] <didrocks> (this is to share the same applet)
[16:12] <didrocks> normally, you won't be able to edit the panel, just your GNOME one, but not in UNE
[16:13] <LaserJock> that's ... strange
[16:13] <didrocks> this is less than optimal, I agree, but it involve heavily patching in gconf (too much for an LTS)
[16:13] <didrocks> so, if you know a better way, without messing up user config, I'm open to any suggestion
[16:13] <LaserJock> why not do it in the user config?
[16:14] <didrocks> because if a user change something in the GNOME session in the panel and the value aren't mandatory in UNE
[16:14] <LaserJock> well, but you can do the same thing
[16:14] <LaserJock> but let it be user-editable
[16:14] <didrocks> tell me how to do it
[16:14] <LaserJock> throw a GUI in front of the mandatory bits for UNE
[16:14] <didrocks> or let me finish my explanation :)
[16:15] <didrocks> because if a user change something in the GNOME session in the panel and the value aren't mandatory in UNE, you get that:
[16:15] <didrocks> - GNOME session panel will be drawn
[16:15] <didrocks> - no home switcher applet
[16:15] <didrocks> - no "personal taskbar in UNE"
[16:16] <didrocks> this is related to gconf internals, you can't say "but those are default for UNE, discaring user configuration"
[16:16] <didrocks> or having one gconf user configuration in GNOME session and another one for UNE
[16:17] <LaserJock> ok, so throw the UNE gconf keys in /var and make then editable
[16:17] <LaserJock> ?
[16:17] <didrocks> LaserJock: that's what is already been done
[16:17] <didrocks> but again
[16:17] <didrocks> the user gconf configuration is in ~/.gconfd
[16:17] <didrocks> if you change something in a panel, the _whole_ default is then ignoreed
[16:17] <didrocks> and so you impact the UNE and the GNOME session conf
[16:18] <didrocks> got back the two panels, and so on…
[16:18] <LaserJock> right, I'm saying keep them mandatory and all, what you've got now
[16:18] <didrocks> is that clear?
[16:18] <didrocks> right
[16:18] <LaserJock> but just provide a way for people to edit them
[16:18] <LaserJock> so that we can add applets
[16:18] <didrocks> hum, that would be complicating an FF is closed
[16:19] <didrocks> that means rewrite a new 'add applet'
[16:19] <LaserJock> right, but as it is now UNE has just become usless for anybody who wants to add a single applet
[16:19] <didrocks> if you want to do that, do not hesitate :)
[16:20] <didrocks> it was hardly doable in the last version too (just a little empty space)
[16:20] <LaserJock> this is a rather noticable regression and in an LTS release :(
[16:20] <didrocks> LaserJock: do you want to work on that? honestly, I won't have the time
[16:21] <didrocks> but I agree that this is less than ideal
[16:21] <LaserJock> no, I honestly just want to not have regressions in LTS releases
[16:21] <didrocks> LaserJock: if nobody wants to work on that… :(
[16:21] <LaserJock> the seperation of GNOME from UNE sessions shouldn't have been done then
[16:21] <didrocks> LaserJock: this was hardly asked by users
[16:22] <LaserJock> if nobody is willing to do it all the way, including patch up regressions, it shouldn't have been done in the first place
[16:22] <didrocks> and that's why there was a session at UDS
[16:22] <didrocks> LaserJock: people who really wanted to add panels can still edit files in /usr/share/gconf/une/mandatory
[16:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[16:23] <LaserJock> my choices are to either abandon UNE (sucks) or provide my own ubuntu-netbook-default-settings package (sucks slightly less)
[16:23] <didrocks> LaserJock: can you log a bug on the time issue please? I'll fix it next week
[16:24] <didrocks> LaserJock: how would you fix not having the two panels? that's what I'm interested in
[16:24] <didrocks> LaserJock: you know, I had a look for more than one week on that issue, so I think I know the internals
[16:24] <LaserJock> don't do the split until you know you can do it right, simple as that
[16:25] <didrocks> LaserJock: that's not constructive
[16:25] <LaserJock> why?
[16:25] <LaserJock> it should be common sense
[16:26] <didrocks> LaserJock: because having a gnome session was more asked that the "I can't change my panel" (what karmic's panel didn't allow you as well as there were a small space to add a new applet)
[16:27] <LaserJock> but the behavior was the same as any normal gnome session
[16:27] <LaserJock> move applet then add
[16:27] <LaserJock> but now you can't do that
[16:28] <LaserJock> and having changes in GNOME affect UNE was unlikely to be much of an issue with people
[16:28] <LaserJock> they aren't likely to switch between the two regularly
[16:28] <LaserJock> so for seemingly minimal gain, the is a pretty significant cost
[16:28] <didrocks> LaserJock: let me rephrase, if you add/move any applet in GNOME panel and keys are default (not mandatory) in UNE, you got the two panels in UNE as well
[16:29] <didrocks> or if you change any in UNE as well, you crash your gnome setting
[16:29] <didrocks> LaserJock: I'm thinking of a way, maybe, is to change XDG dir for gnome-panel only
[16:29] <LaserJock> that's not great
[16:30] <didrocks> LaserJock: right, that's why I put them as mandatory
[16:30] <LaserJock> ok, I really gotta run
[16:30] <LaserJock> I understand the problem
[16:30] <LaserJock> I still think LTS is a bad time for this, but whatever
[16:30] <didrocks> LaserJock: if you want to discuss about that later, I'm trying to figure out of how to do it right
[16:30] <LaserJock> I'll file bugs when I get back from errands
[16:30] <LaserJock> well, you might look at sabayon
[16:31] <LaserJock> or XDG seems sort of reasonable
[16:31] <didrocks> LaserJock: I just hope you can at least understand it's not an easy thing to deal with :)
[16:31] <LaserJock> of course
[16:31] <didrocks> I know and maintained sabayon
[16:31] <LaserJock> I've dealt with similar issues before
[16:31] <didrocks> LaserJock: let discuss about that later, right?
[16:31] <didrocks> I may have an idea
[16:31] <LaserJock> I think a simple GUI to edit the manditory keys would maybe work
[16:31] <didrocks> (the XDG thing, but should be discuss)
[16:31] <LaserJock> ok, talk to you later
[16:31] <didrocks> ttyl
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> working today didrocks?
[18:40] <baptistemm> someone to help me debugging a build issue for bluez
[18:45] <baptistemm> asac, around ? (as this is related to bluez)
[18:50] <baptistemm> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39149642/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.bluez_4.61-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:18] <baptistemm> hey chrisccoulson
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> hey baptistemm
[20:18] <baptistemm> have you some minutes for me?
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[20:18] <baptistemm> fine, trying to package latest bluez
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> i have a few minutes, possibly ;)
[20:18] <baptistemm> My wife and my son are away for a week
[20:18] <baptistemm> :)
[20:18] <chrisccoulson> heh, enjoying the quiet? ;)
[20:19] <baptistemm> being a little sad when my son left
[20:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine
[20:19] <baptistemm> but I'm quite happy to have the quiet yeah ;)
[20:20] <baptistemm> back to bluez, the latest version has a symbols which was renamed, and so, the build fails
[20:20] <baptistemm> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39149642/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.bluez_4.61-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> you want to know how to resolve that?
[20:21] <baptistemm> I added the new symbols, but I don"t what to do with the missing one
[20:22] <baptistemm> should I bump the soname
[20:22] <baptistemm> ?
[20:22] <baptistemm> yeah
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> the soname should have been bumped upstream - that's not something we should do at a distro level
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> did they not bump the soname?
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> ah, so no soname change then
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> that would need reporting upstream really
[20:29] <baptistemm> hmm, I don't know how bluez define soname
[20:30] <baptistemm> I asked on #bluez earlier but noone was there to answer
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, the soname is defined in Makefile.am (lib_libbluetooth_la_LDFLAGS = -version-info 8:0:5)
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> we should avoid uploading this though until that issue is resolved, as there might be other things using that symbol
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> libbluetooth3 has a lot of rdepends
[20:32] <baptistemm> yep
[20:32] <james_w> hey chrisccoulson
[20:32] <james_w> hi baptistemm
[20:32] <baptistemm> at least the previous one (4.60) was never been uploaded, in the mean time this one doesn't break something
[20:32] <baptistemm> hi james_w
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> hey james_w, how are you?
[20:32] <james_w> good thanks, how about you?
[20:33] <chrisccoulson> i'm not too bad, thanks
[20:35] <james_w> chrisccoulson: did you have a chance to look at gnome-desktop again?
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> james_w - not yet, unfortunately. i can try and look at that this evening though
[20:36] <james_w> no rush
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> i need to have a look really for a crasher anyway


[00:38] <SavageOrange> hey
[00:38] <wrst> hey SavageOrange
[00:58] <cyberanger> hey Svpernova09
[00:58] <cyberanger> any relation to orangeninja ;-)
[03:38]  * wrst peeks in
[04:24]  * cyberanger pulls wrst further into the room
[04:30] <cyberanger> wrst: hey wrst, how's the night?
[11:10] <wrst> went well cyberanger :)
[15:54] <cyberanger> wrst: lol
[20:02] <cyberanger> wrst: this is gonna be an intresting monday night
[20:03] <cyberanger> remember the trip I took in June 2010, kept asking where I was, while I was tethered to a boost mobile cell phone, chatting on IRC
[20:03] <cyberanger> shorter trip, but better connection (Virgin Mobile's Broadband2go) and this time, I'm providing it to everybody via wifi
[20:04] <cyberanger> (I'm the only one with a smartphone, everyone else has an ipod touch or similar, and I use mine about the same way, since wifi is everywhere)
[21:01] <wrst> cool cyberanger
[21:01] <wrst> nothing like being connected while going
[21:46] <cyberanger> speaking of going, you forgot to say goodbye
[21:46] <cyberanger> :-)
[22:28] <vychune> sup people
[23:23] <cyberanger> not much
[23:23] <cyberanger> just missed you while enjoying a hambugere ;-)
[23:55] <Unit193> He doesn't stick long...
[23:57] <cyberanger> I think he does when we're active, and has dsl, which seems to be troublesome here, perhaps the same too


[15:40] <efactusa> WHY NO ONE ANSWER MY QUESTIONNNNNNN!!!!!
[15:40] <efactusa> <IP_ADDRESS>  www.myefact.com myefact.com greatestate.com www.greatestate.com westonmass.net  http://www.myefact.com http://greatestate.com http://westonmass.net   do you know if I am supposed to put the HTTP part in the hosts file for server? ???


[06:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:36] <IrcsomeBot1> <Anarcho Taoist> Plasma has screen edges "Hot corners". Is it possible to configure one of these to open notifications? i.e swiping to the right, rather than having to click status and notifications in the panel. Thanks.
[13:41] <madLyfe> is it true that if you do kubuntu-ppa backports you get plasma 5.13 but it says 5.12?
[13:57] <lordievader> Looks like the newest (for 18.04) is still 5.12.6
[14:00] <madLyfe> was looking at this: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/05/kde-plasma-5-13-features-upgrade
[14:00] <madLyfe> i also read somewhere that its 5.13 but says 5.12
[14:03] <lordievader> I suppose you need to wait until the packagers have had the time to package the software and upload it to the repo.
[14:03] <lordievader> Or.... you could help them 😉
[19:02] <coderphive> If you're on LTS can you run KDE Neon repos?


[05:51] <RikMills> \o/ we have a kinetic daily iso
[06:45] <arraybolt3> RikMills: WOOT! And I'm getting unmetered Internet access tomorrow, so I'll be in the mix testing!
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all