[00:01] <nacc> cyphermox: yeah, we were up to ubuntu17 in zesty :)
[00:01] <nacc> luckily just back and forth on the tests mostly
[00:01] <cyphermox> I thought it was mostly tests and initramfs, yeah
[00:01] <nacc> yep it was an easy merge, in the end
[00:01] <cyphermox> oh ok
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> hello mwhudson golang-pty sync, right?
[08:35] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: um
[08:35] <mwhudson> we have delta for that?
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> yes sir, and some ppc stuff
[08:35] <mwhudson> apparently we do
[08:36] <mwhudson> ah, ppc, everyone's favourite platform when it comes to ioctl numbers
[08:36] <mwhudson> oh no, this is ppc as in powerpc as in who cares any more
[08:37] <LocutusOfBorg> soooo will you sync it?
[08:40] <mwhudson> yes
[08:40] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[08:42] <mwhudson> ah yes the war on built-using
[08:42] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: done
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> Logan, sorry but I think qbzr still needs that delta :(
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm readding it
[12:57] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Do you know if when I re-run an autopkgtest for a github PR, will it be automatically picked up by the PR itself?
[12:57] <sil2100> Laney: I got some failures caused by 'API rate limit exceeded for <IP_ADDRESS>.' in tests that actually poll github through the API
[13:24] <smoser> so i did apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. select gdm3 at the dpkg prompt. log out, back in. it seems like all i have changes is the system theme. i still have unity panel on the left and the top. and changing background doesn't work.
[13:24] <smoser> is that known/expected ?
[13:25] <ogra_> smoser, why wouldnt it ... if you didnt select another s4ession you will end up in unity again
[13:26] <smoser> yeah, htat makes sense. but i was confused by the theme change.
[13:26] <ogra_> (if you expect to end up in gnome you need to pick gnome)
[13:26] <smoser> yeah.
[13:26]  * smoser logs out. thanks
[13:28] <smoser> ogra_, so, chose 'gnome'. background now is solid black. still unity launcher and panel.
[13:28] <smoser> what am i supposed to pick ?
[13:28] <ogra_> hmm, gnome should have brought you a gnome desktop
[13:29] <ogra_> without unity panel and all
[13:29] <smoser> other options were: gnome classic, gnome on wayland
[13:29] <smoser> and 'ubuntu'
[13:30] <ogra_> right, ubuntu should be unity ... gnome -> plain gnmome
[13:30] <smoser> xerros shows:
[13:30] <smoser> dbus-update-activation-environment: setting GDMSESSION=ubuntu
[13:30] <smoser> dbus-update-activation-environment: setting XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity:Unity7
[13:33] <ogra_> what release is that btw ... it works fine for me (without changing to gdm btw) on my 16.04 laptop .... i installed gnome-desktop and just seletced it on lightdm
[13:46] <smoser> Orphis, it is/was Artful.
[13:46] <smoser> i think the issue was that i must selected the session, then typed the password wrong, then typed it right. i think it lost it in between.
[13:46] <smoser> ogra_, (sorry Orphis )
[13:46] <Orphis> Aaaaah
[14:02] <jbicha> smoser: what are you trying to test?
[14:03] <jbicha> if you just want the current state of Ubuntu Artful with GNOME, I think it might be better to just add gnome-shell to your Ubuntu install
[14:03] <jbicha> ubuntu-gnome-desktop will change more settings and install more apps but not all of that will end up being in the default Ubuntu 17.10
[14:04] <smoser> jbicha, well, i'm there now.
[14:04] <smoser> so, "all in"
[14:05] <jbicha> and currently, I think we're leaning towards lightdm instead of gdm but that's still TBD
[14:08] <smoser> jbicha, thanks/
[14:08] <jbicha> lightdm would end up *looking* more like gdm though
[14:13] <Laney> sil2100: Pretty sure it should be.
[14:13] <Laney> If you're hitting a rate limit, slow the test down?
[14:43] <gsilvapt> hello everyone
[14:52] <bdmurray> jbicha: Have you seen my comment on bug 1689093?
[14:59] <jbicha> bdmurray: yes, could we set the hook to unreportable just for certain releases so that the hook can be synced with the current development release too?
[15:04] <bdmurray> jbicha: Sure whatever is in the report e.g. DistroRelease, Package, ...
[15:06] <jbicha> bdmurray: how much in a hurry are you? I'm not very familiar with apport's code so it will take more time for me to do that
[15:07] <bdmurray> jbicha: Enough that'd I do it for you if you could pastebin me some criteria.
[15:13] <rbasak> tjaalton: for bug 1676845, wouldn't it be appropriate to check that vlc still actually works?
[15:13] <rbasak> Similarly opentk.
[15:14] <rbasak> arges, bdmurray: ^
[15:15] <rbasak> I do feel that this is something missing from SRUs currently.
[15:16] <rbasak> A more explicit test plan so we actually check that the result isn't broken during SRU verification. Even just a quick smoke. It seems inappropriate to me to land an SRU if not one single person is known to have looked to see.
[15:16] <tjaalton> rbasak: it works
[15:16] <rbasak> But that's not in our current process.
[15:16] <rbasak> tjaalton: thanks! I'll release Xenial now then.
[15:19] <bdmurray> rbasak: yes, that makes sense me. What cases do you think would require a quick smoke check?
[15:22] <jbicha> bdmurray: how about something like https://paste.debian.net/931810/ ?
[15:22] <rbasak> bdmurray: any situation where checking the bug isn't fixed doesn't implicitly include a smoke check.
[15:23] <rbasak> This vlc bug is an example - it should be verified just by checking dependencies, without actually running vlc.
[15:23] <bdmurray> it could be verified, but we should do more - agreed
[15:24] <rbasak> OTOH, a hypothetical "help button appears in wrong place" bug wouldn't need it because one cannot check that the help button is in the right place without running the app, and that constitutes a smoke test.
[15:25] <bdmurray> jbicha: what about gnome3-next?
[15:26] <jbicha> bdmurray: that's empty right now, but feel free to use the same template there if you want, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/ubuntu/gnome3-next
[15:26] <rbasak> I'd suggest a [Test Plan] section, but I agree about not wanting to require additional paperwork. So how about making it an ~ubuntu-sru thing? Not required, optional for uploaders, but we'll add one if we feel it is needed, or if there isn't one, we feel it is needed but it isn't clear what it would be, only then would we ask and defer accept until the test plan is agreed.
[15:27] <jbicha> rbasak: just rename Test Case to Test Plan?
[15:27] <rbasak> Test Case is for the specific bug being fixed though.
[15:28] <rbasak> Test Plan is wider (but does of course include Test Case)
[15:28] <bdmurray> rbasak: I think the suggestion seems reasonable and depending on how well it works we could then make it a requirement.
[15:29] <rbasak> "Here's what I plan to do to ensure that I haven't regressed the package in some other way" vs. "Here's what I plan to do to ensure that the bug I'm fixing is actually fixed".
[15:29] <rbasak> bdmurray: thanks. Shall I propose this on ubuntu-devel@?
[15:31] <bdmurray> rbasak: That'd be great.
[15:32] <bdmurray> jbicha: and the ubuntu-gnome hook could be dropped in artful correct?
[15:33] <rbasak> ack
[15:33] <jbicha> bdmurray: no, the GNOME3 PPAs are still being used, at least for now
[15:34] <bdmurray> jbicha: okay, got it
[21:28] <justanotherbody> can anyone tell me where i could find the recipies used to compile the binaries for e.g., libstdc++ ?
[21:36] <nacc> justanotherbody: the src package the generates the binary packge
[21:43] <justanotherbody> can you by chance tell me where to find the source package on http://mirrors.mit.edu/ubuntu/ ? i can only seem to locate the .deb files
[21:44] <nacc> justanotherbody: i don't know if they mirror them or not
[21:44] <nacc> justanotherbody: but you can just use `pull-lp-source <srcpkg>`
[21:45] <justanotherbody> if i didn't have admin privileges to install `pull-lp-source` could you suggest another command?
[21:45] <justanotherbody> (i dont, and it is apparently not installed)
[21:46] <sarnold> apt-get source will download to a current working directory
[21:46] <nacc> sarnold: thanks
[21:46] <sarnold> that mirror doesn't look like it has any sources -- only debs
[21:47] <sarnold> oh that's because the gcc dir has way too many debs
[21:47] <sarnold> never mind
[21:47] <justanotherbody> ?
[21:47] <sarnold> note e.g. http://mirrors.mit.edu/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-6/gcc-6_6.3.0-17ubuntu1.dsc
[21:47] <sarnold> that file describes the other sources used to build the gcc-6 source package and all its binary packages
[21:47] <justanotherbody> so i looked at once of these
[21:48] <justanotherbody> but i didn't understand how i could use it to locate the build script
[21:48] <justanotherbody> so im specifically after the actual build script
[21:49] <justanotherbody> my underlying problem is i need to locally compile a newer version of libstdc++
[21:49] <justanotherbody> for reasons relating to the fact i'm running ubuntu 14.04 (not by choice) and need a version newer than security updates allow for
[21:50] <justanotherbody> and adding a PPO or alternative apt installation mechanism isn't supported by anyone with superuser access
[21:50] <justanotherbody> so i figure i download the library adn compile from source - something ive done before
[21:50] <nacc> building your own libstdc++ is a recipe for pain, it feels like
[21:50] <justanotherbody> but i want to mirror the make arguments and e.g., CFLAGS env variables as closely as possible
[21:51] <justanotherbody> im not disagreeing
[21:51] <nacc> seems highly likely to break stuff :)
[21:51] <nacc> justanotherbody: use `apt-get source` and then see debian/rules in the srcpkg
[21:51] <justanotherbody> which is *exactly why* i'm trying to locate teh build script
[21:51] <nacc> justanotherbody: i mean by version
[21:52] <nacc> justanotherbody: the chagne in version, without rebuilding stuff that depends on it, is likely to break things taht try to load it
[21:52] <justanotherbody> i agree
[21:52] <justanotherbody> my hope is to isolate the lib such taht hte fewest possible things try and load it
[21:52] <nacc> justanotherbody: but in any case, `apt-get source...` and then see what d/rules does
[21:52] <sarnold> you may need to also use newer gcc to compile your tools
[21:52] <nacc> yeah
[21:52] <sarnold> abi changes happen :(
[21:52] <justanotherbody> sarnold: interesting, new gcc is provided
[21:52] <justanotherbody> *interestingly
[21:53] <justanotherbody> by my infrastructure team
[21:53] <sarnold> justanotherbody: if you're going for slightly-hacky you might have some success just unpacking newer debs manually
[21:53] <sarnold> justanotherbody: that'd be a thousand times faster than building your own and it might work well enough
[21:54] <sarnold> justanotherbody: download the .deb file, use ar x to extract it into a data.tar.gz and control.tar.gz files, tar xf the data.tar.gz fiile, and grab the library out of it that way
[21:54] <sarnold> and if it doesn't work for some reason, well, you'll have only spent ten minutes on it anyway
[21:59] <justanotherbody> nacc, sarnold: you have been very helpful. thank you much!
[22:00] <nacc> justanotherbody: yw
[22:00] <infinity> sarnold: What you're looking for is "dpkg-deb -x foo.deb path/" ... ar and tar is pretty unfriendly. :P
[22:00] <sarnold> good luck justanotherbody :)
[22:01] <sarnold> infinity: I can do ar x tar xf blindfolded in my sleep. it takes me ten minutes to find the right manpage to read if I want to skip those.
[22:01] <infinity> :P
[22:01] <infinity> sarnold: dpkg-deb -x unpacks data.  dpkg-deb -R unpacks data and control.  The latter being useful if you want to dpkg --build again after you tweak it.
[22:02] <infinity> sarnold: I mean, keep aring and taring all you want, but the above is probably more user-friendly to tell others. ;)
[22:02] <sarnold> infinity: don't even get me started on apt-cache rdepends, apt-rdepends, and reverse-depends....
[22:03] <sarnold> infinity: but I have to know them myself before I can tel others about them, heh
[23:09] <nacc> cyphermox: fyi,, filed LP: #1689963
[23:10] <rbasak> jbicha: fyi, I got the same es translation notice from Launchpad for gnome-calendar in Zesty. Not a problem from my perspective - just letting you know.
[23:11] <jbicha> ok, I'll fix that up


[00:15] <dzho> > They are dependent on cars, for one thing,
[00:15] <dzho> I honestly think that was written unironically.
[00:30] <cmaloney> https://www.gourmet-coffee.com/Keurig-DRM-Freedom-Clip.html
[00:30] <cmaloney> I've ordered from these folks. I like their pluck
[12:03] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:02] <brousch_> Not good. I think I have to cancel Day of Coding because my kid has The Pink Eye
[13:07] <DrDaemonEye> brousch_: no fun.  :(
[13:07] <DrDaemonEye> morning cmaloney
[13:11] <cmaloney> brousch_: Ouch
[13:15] <brousch_> Oh, it's hour of Code, but I volunteered for the whole day
[15:27] <cmaloney> I swear there should be an electric shock for any idiot that doesn't mute their phone on a conference call
[15:28] <brousch_> make it so
[15:29] <cmaloney> I'd have to retrofit all the phones
[16:18] <greg-g> brousch_: how's the little dude doing with the pink eye?
[16:19] <brousch_> He doesn't care now that he knows the eye drops don't hurt
[16:20] <greg-g> awesome
[16:22] <brousch_> Hard part is getting him to wash his hands every time he touches his eye
[16:26] <greg-g> guess what the hashtag is for this storm that is (actually decently) drenching the bay area is?
[16:26] <greg-g> #hellastorm
[16:40] <cmaloney> heh
[16:40] <cmaloney> greg-g: BTW: Happy Birthday Rowan. :)
[16:46] <greg-g> cmaloney: well done, sir
[16:46] <cmaloney> ;)
[16:46] <cmaloney> bdayd
[16:52] <greg-g> I probably will have to not make a big deal out of it with Rowan today, since his party is on Sunday and he'll want to open all of his presents now
[16:52] <cmaloney> heh
[17:21] <brousch_> cmaloney: I submit this game as proof you should never surrender http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=949237
[17:22] <cmaloney> WEll, no, you're winning. ;)
[17:53] <brousch_> cmaloney: I thought I was finished at move 29. He had good structures on top and lower right. I had 3 territory and dead stones
[19:31] <greg-g> so, ann arbor-ish people ( jrwren, jcastro who else?): I'll be in town for ~30 hours Mon night -> Tues evening: where should I cowork with you or someone?
[19:34] <jrwren> my basement?
[19:34] <jrwren> Wolverine Brew co?
[19:34] <greg-g> I have one call at.... noon michigan time, other than that I can go anywhere
[19:35] <greg-g> s/call/google hangout/
[19:38] <jrwren> greg-g: where are you staying?
[19:39] <greg-g> Chelsea on Monday night, but I have an appt in Ann Arbor Tues morning
[19:40] <jrwren> you could probably rent for a day at Workentile Exchange if you really want a desk, inet and to work.
[19:40] <jrwren> me, I'd probably do sweetwaters for bfast, work from tehre until ABC opens adn work from there :)
[19:43] <greg-g> jrwren: I think you're right
[19:43] <greg-g> :)
[19:53] <jcastro> greg-g, I got fullblown office here for you if you want
[19:53] <jcastro> and an entire bedroom if you need a place to stay of course
[19:56] <greg-g> I'll probably stay at the MIL's :)
[19:56] <greg-g> jcastro: what do you think of me showing up in the morning, doing my call at noon (to 1), then going to ABC/whatever for afternoon work/beer?
[19:56] <greg-g> where "morning" == 10ish
[19:57] <jcastro> let me check my calls
[19:58] <greg-g> Dec 16th
[19:59] <jcastro> yeah I can probably do that
[19:59] <greg-g> sweet
[20:00] <jcastro> jill will kill me if she can't see you
[20:00] <jcastro> so we'll need to work something out if possible
[20:00] <greg-g> :)
[20:00] <greg-g> still at 258-blah-1006?
[20:00] <jcastro> yeah
[20:00] <jcastro> hey you got wheels or need transpo?
[20:00] <greg-g> I'll probably rent a car
[20:00] <jcastro> k
[20:00] <jcastro> daily standup bbl
[20:00] <greg-g> makes things so much easier
[20:00] <jcastro> but yeah, count me in!
[20:00] <greg-g> later
[20:01] <greg-g> cool, will call ya
[20:11] <cmaloney> https://plus.google.com/+TheWeightSaint/posts
[22:38] <cmaloney> ADding events to the loco calendar
[23:54] <rick_h_> party
[23:54] <rick_h_> surgery sucks as does one handed typing :P
[23:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: dude i can't drive while you're here!


[00:11] <JarGonBuster> I was using MS visio, I want to know some of its alternatives for ubuntu
[15:58]  * skaet waves
[15:58]  * ogra_ shores
[15:58] <mdeslaur> \o
[15:59]  * skaet giggles at the shores remark
[15:59] <ogra_> :)
[16:00] <jibel> o/
[16:00] <mlegris> \o/
[16:00]  * kenvandine waves
[16:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Dec  9 16:01:11 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-09
[16:01] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/thread.html;   this has been done with the past ones.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> During round table Q&A time,  please post link to your mail message, and any additional comments.  When you've finished comments/questions signal by ".."
[16:01] <skaet> If you want to ask a question,  please "o/" so we know to wait for you.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Schedule for this release will be at:
[16:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <skaet> #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> We've now passed Feature Definition Freeze,  and status tracker has been reset.
[16:01] <skaet> There are now  2278 work items (up from 2084 on 2011/11/25), and we're starting to fall below the trend line (partially due to additional items being added).
[16:01] <skaet> Please review your items and make sure status is accurate.
[16:01] <skaet> #link  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/
[16:01] <skaet>  .
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/16 - Last weekly meeting of 2011
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/06 - Weekly meeings resume
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/01/09 - DebianImportFreeze
[16:02] <skaet> • 2012/02/02 - '''Alpha 2'''
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> Alpha 1 testing of the new ISO tracker (http://<IP_ADDRESS>/) went very well.  :D.
[16:02] <skaet> A big thank you to stgraber, jibel, cjwatson and pitti and all the folks who tested the release!
[16:02] <skaet> IS has moved the tracker to the main servers and are working through a couple of glitches, but its new home is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/.    Daily testing results and bugs can now be logged there now going forward.
[16:02] <skaet> ..
[16:02] <ogasawara> skaet: are those meeting dates correct?  or show the first two be reversed?
[16:02] <skaet> ogaswara,  good catch...
[16:03]  * skaet has typo there
[16:03] <skaet> Last meeting is 2011/12/16 - ie. next week.
[16:03] <skaet> any other questions?
[16:04] <skaet> ok,  time for the round table.
[16:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[16:04] <mlegris> hi all!
[16:04] <skaet> :)
[16:04] <mlegris> A1 testing has been postponed
[16:05] <mlegris> we have moved the testing period to after the holidays
[16:05] <mlegris> this is due to restrains with vacations and testing pools
[16:05] <skaet> o/
[16:05] <mlegris> yes skaet?
[16:05] <skaet> am a bit concerned that the results will be dated by then
[16:06] <skaet> can we resynch when you're able to do the testing
[16:06] <mlegris> correct, we would not be using the A1 image, we would use a more recent image
[16:06] <skaet> and decide if it makes more sense to do the daily.
[16:06] <skaet> ack.
[16:06] <mlegris> right, thats our thinking as well
[16:06] <skaet> ok,  one other area I'm concerned about is making sure the blockers
[16:06] <skaet> from oneiric are identified as affecting p or not before then.
[16:07] <skaet> can that be done,  even if we don't have full cert run?
[16:07] <mlegris> It can be done, but not for all the systems
[16:07] <mlegris> so it would be partial to which labs have the manpower to test and update the bugs
[16:08] <skaet> hmm.... lets discuss the details more offline then.   thanks.
[16:08] <mlegris> sure thing
[16:08] <mlegris> Thats my main report for this meeting :)
[16:08] <mlegris> ..
[16:09] <skaet> thanks mlegris.   I've pasted your mail link into the agenda too.
[16:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[16:10] <jibel> hi
[16:10] <skaet> :)
[16:10] <jibel> Additionally to what is written on our team report, we spent the week tracking red balls on
[16:10] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise%20Daily%20ISOs/
[16:10] <jibel> Now all the tests are almost green excepted upgrades
[16:10] <jibel> server minimal is partially failing because the resulting installation is oversized. jamespage  is putting it on diet.
[16:10] <jibel> now working on lts upgrades
[16:11] <jibel> boot speed test results are published at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[16:11] <jibel> please have a look
[16:11] <jibel> ..
[16:11] <jibel> any comment/question ?
[16:11] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[16:11] <skaet> re: from the report on smoke tests being generated by community - is there a link for the procedure to add them to Jenkins?
[16:11] <jibel> not yet, it's a WIP
[16:12] <pitti> we fixed some major upgrade bugs today
[16:12] <pitti> looking forward to tomorrow's/Monday's autotests
[16:12] <skaet> :)
[16:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team Q&A - mdeslaur
[16:13] <mdeslaur> hi!
[16:13] <skaet> :)
[16:13] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000572.html
[16:13] <mdeslaur> we've been pretty much occupied with all our reactive work
[16:13] <mdeslaur> not much progress on the work items front
[16:14] <mdeslaur> that's about it!
[16:14] <mdeslaur> .
[16:14] <skaet> Thanks mdeslaur!    anyone have questions?
[16:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
[16:14] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000574.html
[16:15] <ogasawara> I forgot to mention in my email that during our config review session at
[16:15] <ogasawara> UDS, we identified some configuration discrepancies between flavors.
[16:15] <ogasawara> We'll be evaluating these discrepancies more closely in the coming weeks
[16:15] <ogasawara> which will likely result in a few config tweaks most likely for arm or
[16:15] <ogasawara> powerpc.
[16:15] <ogasawara> ..
[16:15] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[16:16] <ogra_> omap4 was already generalized i think
[16:16] <skaet> any questions?
[16:16] <ogra_> ..
[16:16] <ogra_> (final bits went in this week)
[16:16] <ogra_> ..
[16:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team Q&A - stgraber
[16:17] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000573.html
[16:17] <stgraber> so as skaet mentioned, the state of the QA tracker changed a bit since I sent that e-mail with http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com being online now
[16:18] <skaet> *\o/*
[16:18] <stgraber> we're still tracking some bugs, one being critical (API not working) and another one rather annoying (reports failing due to old Postgres)
[16:18] <stgraber> I have RTs for both but no ETA
[16:19] <stgraber> hoping for the former to be fixed ASAP as currently all the builds and results need to be added by hand...
[16:19] <stgraber> ..
[16:19] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:19] <mdeslaur> stgraber: any chance of successfully bribing foundations to revert to using the "admin" group? :)
[16:20] <ogra_> any security issues with that ?
[16:20] <ogra_> ..
[16:20] <stgraber> mdeslaur: I don't know much of the history about that particular one (except seeing it happening), I think it may need some desktop+foundations bribing :)
[16:20] <pitti> please send mail before doing that, though
[16:20] <pitti> the admin->user change came unexpectedly enough, we'll need to change umpteen packages again to change it back
[16:21] <mdeslaur> ogra_: consistency and security auditing...not a big issue, but it's an unexpected change for users
[16:21] <pitti> no objections from here, it should just be coordinated
[16:21] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:21] <ogra_> ..
[16:22]  * skaet looks around for other questions....
[16:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey
[16:23] <skaet> is Daviey or anyone else from server team around?
[16:23] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra_
[16:23] <ogra_> ha ! me !!
[16:23] <skaet> :)
[16:23] <ogra_> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000587.html
[16:24] <ogra_> armhf FTW !
[16:24] <ogra_> :)
[16:24] <ogra_> ..
[16:24] <slangasek> \o/
[16:24] <slangasek> arwoof
[16:24] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ !  re: armhf - congrat!!!
[16:24] <ogra_> (and a HUGE praise to infinity and doko for all that work)
[16:25] <doko> as a side note ... http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html
[16:25] <ogra_> dokos manager shoudl think about bonuses already ;)
[16:25] <ogra_> ..
[16:25] <ogra_> doko, its in the mail ;)
[16:25] <ogra_> ..
[16:25] <skaet> very nice news indeed.  :)  and agree, big thanks to infinity and doko.  :)
[16:25] <doko> ... starts looking useful for other architectures too, showing general build failures, not just armhf
[16:26] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro team Q&A - fabo
[16:28]  * skaet not seeing fabo,  but notes he has dependency on DX..
[16:28] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000570.html
[16:28] <skaet> dbarth, ^^ can you respond to thread after meeting?
[16:29] <dbarth> skaet: yes
[16:29] <skaet> thanks!
[16:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover
[16:30] <skaet> hmm,  not seeing him in channel,  moving on.
[16:30] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
[16:30]  * kenvandine steps in :)
[16:30] <pitti> nothing from me aside from the already sent report
[16:30] <pitti> any questions?
[16:30] <skaet> sorry kenvandine pitti told me.
[16:30] <kenvandine> pitti!
[16:30] <pitti> (need to run in some 10 mins)
[16:31] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000581.html
[16:31] <skaet> anyone have question?
[16:32] <skaet> Thanks kenvandine and pitti.  :)
[16:32] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth
[16:32] <dbarth> hi
[16:32] <skaet> :)
[16:33] <dbarth> the report is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:34] <dbarth> the main thing to underline
[16:34] <dbarth> is the completion of the build and test automation infrastructure
[16:34] <pitti> huge congrats on this!
[16:34] <dbarth> and the fact that at least unity shell is now connected with the autopilot test suite
[16:35] <pitti> it certainly caused a lot of pain, but it's so great to see this working now
[16:35] <dbarth> compiz is still a bit behind, and the unity-qt side is close though
[16:35] <dbarth> ..
[16:35] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!   congrats on getting test suite up!  :)   new blueprint also noted.
[16:36] <skaet> dbarth, what day that first week in january are you expecting unity updates to land?
[16:36]  * skaet wondering if we're back on a regular day DX changes landing or not...
[16:37] <dbarth> (otp at the same time sorry)
[16:37] <skaet> dbarth,  ok, will follow up with you offline.
[16:37] <dbarth> thursday sorry
[16:38] <dbarth> normal upload window
[16:38] <skaet> ack.  will follow up offline.
[16:38] <skaet> thanks
[16:38] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team Q&A - Riddell
[16:38] <Riddell> hi
[16:38] <skaet> :)
[16:38] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000578.html
[16:39] <Riddell> I'm a bit concust and not thinking all straight, so let me know if I make any mistakes
[16:39] <Riddell> and I'll be back into KDE packaging slowly next week
[16:39] <Riddell> ..
[16:39] <ogra_> its good to have you back !
[16:39] <ogra_> ..
[16:39] <skaet> Thanks Riddell!   glad you're back as well!
[16:40] <skaet> Riddell,  Is there a backup contact I should be working with for Kubuntu on the milestone testing going forward?
[16:40] <Riddell> skaet: not currently I'm afraid
[16:41] <skaet> ack.  let me know if you come up with one.
[16:41]  * skaet looks around for any question?
[16:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber
[16:42] <stgraber> hey again
[16:42] <skaet> :)
[16:42] <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000575.html
[16:43] <stgraber> so biggest thing this week is the automated upgrade testing, first complete "clean" run of edubuntu, kubuntu, mythbuntu and xubuntu is still running
[16:43] <stgraber> results will appear on the tracker once the API works again
[16:44] <stgraber> oh, and I'm sure highvoltage would really like some news from Kubuntu (if he didn't get any yet) as the TB meeting is on Monday and will likely be the last for this year. So would be good to have LTS sorted there.
[16:44] <stgraber> I think that's it
[16:44] <stgraber> ..
[16:44] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!
[16:44] <Riddell> yes I plan to do the TB things on monday
[16:45] <stgraber> Riddell: thanks!
[16:45] <skaet> Good to hear the auto-upgrade testing is now clean for edubuntu!  :)
[16:45] <stgraber> oh, and btw, so far Edubuntu and Kubuntu upgrade fine from Oneiric to Precise on both i386 and amd64
[16:45] <skaet> :)
[16:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - madnick
[16:46] <madnick> hi
[16:46] <madnick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000569.html
[16:47] <madnick> As you see, not much is new :)
[16:47] <madnick> ..
[16:47] <skaet> Thanks madnick.  no issues are nice :)
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Team Q&A - ScottL
[16:48]  * skaet not seeing him in channel though...
[16:48] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
[16:48] <gilir> hi :)
[16:48] <skaet> :)
[16:48] <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-December/000577.html
[16:49] <gilir> additional item, desktop daily ISOs fail to be published
[16:49] <gilir> log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/765014/
[16:50] <gilir> ..
[16:50] <skaet> Thanks gilir,   will look into the publishing failure after the meeting.
[16:50] <gilir> thanks skaet :)
[16:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team Q&A - tumbleweed or Laney
[16:51] <tumbleweed> hi, nothing to report from us
[16:52] <skaet> thanks tumbleweed!  anyone have questions on MOTU?
[16:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business, comments questions: ?
[16:53] <skaet> heh,  looks like thats it,  and we're ending in under an hour.  :)
[16:53] <skaet> Thank you to everyone who put their status's in email.  It helped alot!
[16:53] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Dec  9 16:53:33 2011 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-09-16.01.moin.txt
[16:53] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[16:53] <skaet> Thanks  mlegris, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, stgraber, ogra_, pitti, kenvandine, dbarth, Riddell, madnick, gilir, tumbleweed.
[16:53] <skaet> :)
[16:53] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:53] <mdeslaur> thanks!


[02:31] <nhatz> waaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:02] <engrtucson> hi peeps..
[05:02] <engrtucson> anyone online?
[05:22] <engrtucson> hey
[05:22] <engrtucson> ubuntu newbie here..


[04:56] <urlin2u> on #ubunntu check bootris comments please
[04:57] <urlin2u> #ubuntu
[05:57] <szal> morning
[05:57] <szal> [06:53:13] --> flamoot has joined this channel (~flamoot@69-196-191-74.dsl.teksavvy.com). <- probably the same machine as bootris about an hour ago, same ISP anyway, and still talking random stuff
[05:57] <szal> [06:55:18] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from flamoot: ircbot.py by Joel Rosdahl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:01] <szal> <- out again; ping me in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic for any questions
[06:07] <urlin2u> so we have a return it seems of a banned user earlier they mention bootris their nic is now flamoot  and they are just mimicing post and posting nonesense
[06:07] <urlin2u> mimicking
[06:07] <urlin2u> in #ubuntu
[07:48] <iToast> Can i get unbanned.
[07:51] <elky> how did you get banned?
[07:51] <iToast> Off topic.
[07:52] <iToast> I was banned in the past for off topic by a op that considered something dealing with ubuntu and getting help on ubuntu off topic...
[07:57] <elky> 2012-02-02T09:42:37 <iToast> I dare you to recover data from a puddle of metal.
[07:58] <iToast> Thats not what i was talking about.
[07:58] <elky> stuff like that is not appropriate, nor is it dealing with ubuntu nor is it getting help on ubuntu
[07:58] <elky> you were talking about albino peacocks instead, right before the ban
[07:59] <iToast> I understand that and thats why I am banned right now.
[07:59] <iToast> But thats not what I was talking about.
[07:59] <iToast> elky, just curious, can a #ubuntu op insult people in other channels?
[08:00] <iToast> even in #ubuntu
[08:01] <elky> what incident specifically are you talking about?
[08:01] <iToast> A mutch older one now
[08:02] <iToast> Its to late now, the op said they consider it oftopic and if I didnt stop i'd be banned... :| and i was for that
[08:02] <iToast> Anyways, may I get unbanned?
[08:03] <elky> depends if you can convince me that you're aware that offtopic things are not allowed in #ubuntu, even from people who are helping
[08:03] <iToast> I understand they ain't allowed and I am using #ubuntu-offtopic when told
[08:04] <elky> and you've read the guidelines and the code of conduct?
[08:04] <iToast> yes
[08:04] <Tm_T> iToast: I hope you don't rely on others telling you when -offtopic is used
[08:04] <mrmist> Perhaps for disclosure you should mention that you were banned from other channels, too
[08:04] <iToast> mrmist, How does that coun't remotly here?
[08:05] <mrmist> It shows a pattern of behaviour
[08:05] <iToast> By inserting a comment like that your changing a outcome.
[08:05] <mrmist> Yes, I'm aware of that possibility
[08:05] <iToast> mrmist, Most of my bans are involved with psi-jack.
[08:05] <iToast> He doesn't like me. He judeges me harder and takes everything as breaking rules.
[08:05] <iToast> As i've stated in the past, he stoped me from getting help but when someone else was going to help and i was trying to talk to them, he threated to ban me.
[08:06] <iToast> He wasen't able to provide help but another person could. but I should google everything :|
[08:07] <iToast> He doesn't consider the fact that I state "I've googled for about 2 hours and got nothing accurate before coming here for help"
[08:07] <Flannel> I don't see any bans in any other channels, just #ubuntu.  (past or present)
[08:08] <elky> there's bans for #ubuntu-ops in our tracker, from previous times he's tried to get unbanned and given cheek and attitude instead of cooperation
[08:08] <iToast> Ops often expect a user to listen and take being insulted or suffer their power.
[08:08] <mrmist> ok, of course the ops here are free to make their own decisions, and it's probably not important.
[08:08] <iToast> I was called a "moron" by a op in here.
[08:08] <elky> also, according to our tracker, he's effectively dodging bans.
[08:08] <Flannel> mrmist: Are you talking about non #ubuntu channels?
[08:09] <iToast> elky, how am I dodging bans?
[08:09] <elky> iToast, there's numerous webchat bans for "iToast"
[08:09] <iToast> How is that dodging?
[08:09] <iToast> I've had my head ripped off by about 800+ people for using webchat.
[08:10] <iToast> I'm now using xchat and enjoying it, and not getting my head ripped off!
[08:10] <mrmist> Flannel: yes.
[08:10] <Flannel> elky: I don't think those are bans, unless I'm doing it wrong.
[08:10] <Flannel> mrmist: Ah, that's not terribly applicable then.
[08:11] <mrmist> Flannel: Indeed probably not
[08:12] <iToast> mrmist, your bringing gasoline to firefighters to put out a fire.
[08:12] <mrmist> iToast: you can choose to deflect the discussion at me, or you can continue towards getting unbanned. One of those is productive.
[08:12] <Flannel> iToast: He's not.  We're perfectly capable of looking at information and disregarding non-relevant bits.
[08:13] <elky> iToast, the size of our channels mean we take advice from staff occasionally.
[08:13] <iToast> Looking for other stuff about a user to bring it up will alter the outcome of the result in a unfavourable whay when the information isn't requested.
[08:14] <elky> hardly. "being arrested meant i was held accountable for that stuff i would have gotten away with" is silly logic
[08:15] <elky> now, lets talk about the ban
[08:15] <iToast> Thats comparing a disscussion to a legal action
[08:16] <iToast> elky, would it be possible to contact you any other way? I enjoy speaking with you.
[08:16] <elky> No.
[08:16] <iToast> :/
[08:17] <Flannel> iToast: Is this a social call? or are we trying to come to some sort of resolution?
[08:17] <elky> mrmist, has agreed to not say anything more in this discussion providing you don't address him. Ok?
[08:17] <iToast> elky, ty
[08:17] <elky> How about we proceed with the discussion here.
[08:17] <iToast> ok
 iToast: I hope you don't rely on others telling you when -offtopic is used
[08:18] <elky> now, if you could respond to that, it'd be great
[08:19] <iToast> I know not to rely on them but sometimes people consider something ontopic offtopic.
[08:19] <iToast> I was told i was offtopic and waned for it for telling the person helping me the guide I was following
[08:20] <elky> you were told you were offtopic for stuff unrelated to helping anyone
[08:21] <iToast> elky, The person was helping me and so they know what I did accuratly adn what i was following i sent them the guide
[08:21] <iToast> Thats like me telling you to goto alaska without a map or a gps, just vauge instructions how to get their
[08:23] <elky> that's not what happened.
[08:24] <iToast> wer
[08:24] <iToast> we've roamed offtopic again.
[08:24] <elky> no, we're discussing how to behave in #ubuntu, and you're claiming things that didn't happen.
[08:25] <elky> It is entirely ontopic that i make sure you know how to behave before letting you back in there
[08:25] <iToast> elky everyone has a different view on ontopic / offtopic.
[08:25] <elky> the topic is: your behaviour in #ubuntu.
[08:25] <iToast> My view is to give who ever is helping you the same resource your using to prevent confusion, it ends in a solution quite fast
[08:26] <elky> and what does that have to do with you being banned for telling people to melt harddrives and recover data from them, and you talking nonsense about peacocks in a video you were watching
[08:27] <iToast> elky, thats not what i was talking about with my last statement.
[08:27] <elky> then please do talk about it.  Being offtopic will result in actions from a op in order to keep the channel helpfull and usefull
[08:29] <iToast> yes
[08:29] <elky> ok, that's all i wanted to hear. i don't know why it took so long to get it.
[08:29] <iToast> I said yes earlyer?
[08:30] <iToast> elky, how long have you been with ubuntu?
[08:30] <elky> since 2005
[08:30] <iToast> "* Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned)."
[08:30] <elky> earlier you said yes, but you tried to throw in a strawman argument
[08:31] <elky> you might want to have patience for me to find you in the ban list first
[08:31] <iToast> Isn't it just a command for ops?
[08:31] <iToast> !unban...?
[08:31] <iToast> O.o
[08:31] <elky> i can't type here and in #Ubuntu at the same second ;)
[08:31] <iToast> Dual screens and keyboards would let you :P
[08:31] <elky> i'm on a netbook
[08:31] <iToast> O.o
[08:31] <elky> they don't make them that advanced yet
[08:32] <iToast> running ubuntu?
[08:32] <elky> yes
[08:32] <iToast> I'm a early adopter of netbooks.
[08:32] <elky> i don't have any non-ubuntu computers
[08:32] <iToast> Dont tell me how advancethey are :P
[08:32] <iToast> I'm a early win 7 beta tester early netbook user...
[08:32] <elky> they don't have 2 screens and 2 keyboards yet
[08:32] <iToast> Thats a design flaw.
[08:32] <iToast> Not eneugh productivity
[08:32] <elky> i think we need to reinvent physics first
[08:33] <elky> anyway, the ban is now lifted
[08:33] <iToast> Ty
[08:33] <iToast> lol
[08:33] <iToast> Why reinvent physics? thats like reinventing the wheel...
[08:33] <elky> so that my hands can move fast enough to use 2 keyboards at the same time
[08:34] <iToast> 1 hand per keyboard.
[08:34] <elky> too much resistance in flesh for that at present
[08:34] <iToast> You're doing it wrong.
[08:34] <iToast> Use the most logical answer, 1 hand per keyboard
[08:34] <iToast> if we revent physics, gravity.deb might crash.
[08:35] <elky> in which case we'd be able to fly and nobody would give a toss
[08:35] <elky> anyway, lets not pollute the logs of this channel with that
[08:35] <iToast> Hope you enjoy flying into the vacume of space :P
[08:36] <elky> i'll run out of oxygen before i turn inside out, the view will be worth it.
[08:36] <Tm_T> iToast: anything else we can help you with? (:
[08:37]  * elky points to the channel topic
[08:41] <Tm_T> iToast: anything else we can help you with? (:
[08:41] <iToast> a broken server?
[08:41] <iToast> :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> iToast: we have this thing called channel topic, take a read (;
[08:42] <iToast> Tm_T, I forgot how to read ;)
[13:33] <kralle|brb> what the hell
[13:33] <kralle|brb> n00bs
[13:34] <Tm_T> ok
[13:38] <ikonia> ahhh, he was a pain yesterday, can't remember what for
[13:39] <ikonia> ahhh I remember him
[13:39] <ikonia> the guy with the impossible hotspot setup
[13:39] <ikonia> and then started calling people names
[13:39] <ikonia> found him in BT
[13:48] <bazhang> dnsmasq? that one?
[13:49] <bazhang> right, then started calling people "retard" or something similar
[13:51] <ikonia> thats the guy
[13:51] <ikonia> good memory
[13:57] <ikonia> Tm_T: he actually gave the support answer
[13:58] <ikonia> Tm_T: he then offered a bit of advice, that you could find it with google, I don't think he gave google as a support answer
[13:58] <ikonia> it's not like he said "google it"
[13:59] <ikonia> he said "here is the URL, you can find it with google also"
[13:59] <Tm_T> I know
[13:59] <bazhang> why would ubuntu need qt 4.8
[14:00] <ikonia> just curious then, I'm not a big fan of some of BluesKaj's support, but I didn't see an issue with what he said
[14:00] <bazhang> thought that was a kde necessity
[14:00] <ikonia> bazhang: using some QT apps
[14:00] <ikonia> bazhang: there are non-kde apps that are QT
[14:00] <ikonia> (I can't think of any, they are obscure)
[14:00] <Tm_T> ikonia: maybe I'm getting a bit too edgy of the constant "google it" attitude I see /:
[14:00] <bazhang> it's odd silex would want qt 4.8 with 10.10 ubuntu ?
[14:10] <ikonia> ask him directly ?
[16:25] <Ampelbein> Hi! Could a #ubuntu+1 operator add this to the topic: "Binary nvidia drivers not working with new eglibc-2.15: http://pad.lv/929384" ?
[16:26] <pangolin> done
[16:26] <Ampelbein> Thanks, pangolin
[16:26] <pangolin> welcome
[16:26] <Ampelbein> Cya laters
[17:28] <h00k> I'm taking a break from work (IT), to help someone with networking.
[17:28] <h00k> I need more hobbies
[17:28] <pangolin> hehe
[17:29] <pangolin> but this will be much more appreciated I think
[17:30] <mneptok> not when it comes time to buy food
[17:31] <pangolin> food is overrated
[17:32] <h00k> ^ this is true, two lines up.
[18:09] <pangolin> !no gnash is <reply> Gnash is an open-source Flash replacement. It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[18:10] <pangolin> thank you
[18:58] <h00k> I remember gnash.
[19:00] <pangolin> false positive
[19:00] <pangolin> that should be fixed
[19:00] <pangolin> a repeat after 10 minutes is hardly abusive
[19:00] <Tm_T> yeah
[19:01] <Tm_T> pangolin: although, why not ];=
[19:01] <pangolin> because it is mean :(
[19:55] <LjL> uhm it simply shouldn't do that for repeating
[19:56] <LjL> i don't know why it did that, will check
[19:59] <LjL> i cannot really seem to reproduce it, maybe it's some quirk specific to the K bots
[20:04] <pangolin> LjL: are the K bots still running the older code?
[20:06] <LjL> pangolin: i don't know, but i suspect so


[00:20] <saltmiser> alright people
[00:20] <saltmiser> is ubuntu phone open source or not
[00:20] <saltmiser> can I download the source code and build it for my phone?
[00:21] <k1l_> see /topic
[00:21] <saltmiser> right
[00:22] <saltmiser> so
[00:22] <saltmiser> do we really think libreoffice is going to look correct on my 5 inch screen phone
[00:22] <saltmiser> and I don't mean initially but I mean ever..unless there is some way to automagically re-deal with the menus, I don't see it working out :/
[00:22] <saltmiser> I'm not trolling, I realy like the idea of putting my own OS on the phone and ubuntu-phone is a step in the direction
[00:23] <k1l_> ubuntu-phone is not a regular desktop, you know that?
[00:23] <saltmiser> guess not, I didn't know what else to expect
[00:23] <saltmiser> I can't just apt-get install whatever I want?
[00:24] <k1l_> just see the informations mentioned in the site that is linked in the topic :)
[00:24] <saltmiser> lol ok sorry
[00:25] <saltmiser> a QML display hmm?
[00:47] <xsacha> saltmiser: great thing with qml is you can just make a different qml file for a different UI and load them depending on form factor detected (eg. ubuntu phone) if you wish
[00:47] <xsacha> all the actual code can be shared
[00:47] <saltmiser> so, firefox for example
[00:48] <saltmiser> has 3 QML's
[00:48] <saltmiser> 1 for docked
[00:48] <saltmiser> 1 for horizontal and 1 for verticle?
[00:48] <xsacha> horizontal and vertical would go in the same qml
[00:48] <saltmiser> or many for those in big screen and small screen
[00:48] <xsacha> well firefox doesn't even use Qt so it's a bad example
[00:49] <xsacha> big screen/small screen/horizontal/vertical/docked can all be in the same QML though
[00:49] <saltmiser> oh wow this is all with QT4?
[00:49] <xsacha> you'd just want a different layout for different form factors like phones
[00:49] <xsacha> or TVs
[00:49] <saltmiser> I can't find any information on what libraries and stuff all this ubuntu phone stuff is planning to use
[00:49] <saltmiser> like things that mobile developers would be interested in
[00:49] <xsacha> Qt can handle resolution-independence quite well. the problem is the UI needs to be suited to mobiles
[00:50] <saltmiser> right
[00:50] <xsacha> saltmiser: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[00:50] <xsacha> check out #1 for what libraries you need
[00:53] <saltmiser> ok so, when you write an app this way, can it run on normal ubuntu machines and the phones/
[00:56] <saltmiser> I can definitely see this giving android a run for it's money
[00:56] <saltmiser> no more Java?
[00:56] <saltmiser> that's almost a good and bad thing
[00:56] <saltmiser> bad because all that cool stuff we had written for the JVM we can't use anymore
[00:56] <saltmiser> but good because it probably existed for C in the first place, and porting it to Dalvik specifically was annoying
[01:26] <Theorbo> Well, I've left Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan/Mer/Nemo lot behind and now my sights are set on Ubuntu Phone
[01:26] <Theorbo> I hope it does not disappoint.
[03:24]  * alec wants him an ubuntu phone
[06:54] <waqarr> hello everybody
[06:54] <waqarr> anybody here to help me about ubuntu phone
[06:55] <jussi> waqarr: just ask...
[06:55] <Guest95147> what would you like to know?
[06:55] <waqarr> i want to install ubuntu phone in my samsung galaxy s2
[06:56] <waqarr> how can i find the ubuntu phone img for my samsung phone
[06:56] <jussi> waqarr: there isnt one yet.
[06:57] <waqarr> when it will release for public?
[06:58] <Guest95147> may be the end of february.
[07:02] <waqarr> is the any development version to download for testing and for developing apps for this
[07:05] <waqarr> ?
[12:46] <Andy80> bzoltan1, ping
[12:46] <Andy80> bzoltan1, I'm ready if we want to start earlier :)
[12:47] <bzoltan1>  Andy80:  good idea
[15:41] <dpm> hi bzoltan1, I don't know if you've seen it, but here's an interesting post from aquarius re: designing resolution-independent apps with the toolkit: https://plus.google.com/u/0/108243663090085262773/posts/CsJsMsvQKbv
[15:43] <Robbilie> nice one!
[15:44] <Robbilie> i think canonical should already release the source of these amazing rings, that would have spared me a lot of time xD
[15:54] <dpm> Robbilie, we'll be releasing the code very soon, don't worry :)
[16:00] <wfire> I am still having trouble getting Qt Creator to even see the ubuntu components :(
[16:00] <wfire> seems like the same old fights again
[16:00] <wfire> from trying to get crap to work with Nokia
[16:09] <Robbilie> dpm wanna see smthng? or did you follow our earlier conversations? :)
[16:20] <Robbilie> dpm, http://jsfiddle.net/Robbilie/7CbDn/36/show/
[16:33] <dpm> Robbilie, it looks pretty awesome, but could you give me a bit of context? I did not follow the previous conversation
[16:34] <Robbilie> well its just that i cant wait for ubu-phone so i did me a little web version myself <3
[16:34] <ubuntubhoy> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100275307499530023476/posts/S9Y7k6Zd4wN - Cyanogen talks Ubuntu Phone
[16:34] <bzoltan1> dpm:  Cool, is not it :)
[16:34] <Robbilie> bzoltan1, what do you mean?
[16:34] <bzoltan1>  Robbilie:  The resolution independence demo
[16:35] <Robbilie> mine?!
[16:36] <bzoltan1> Robbilie:  I have seen your stuff too and that is amazing work as well :)
[16:36] <Robbilie> ah now i now what you meant bzoltan1  xD that one is nice too :P
[16:36] <Robbilie> and thanks ;)
[16:38] <bzoltan1> Robbilie:  After we have released the QML toolkit I had time to think about how to extend the same visual concept and user experience to html5 apps. Your work is truly inspiring!
[16:38] <bzoltan1> mhall119^
[16:39] <Robbilie> bzoltan1, : when i started webdesign, i used to use jquery and ui toolkits and such... but then i moved over to only jquery and my own ui, not really responsive and jquery, well it had some nice features but when i looked at the loading time of my website i was so shoked that i stopped using it
[16:40] <mhall119> bzoltan1: ?
[16:40] <Robbilie> now i completly used pure js and then i found out about responsive design :D
[16:40] <Robbilie> my true love <3 xD
[17:24] <luvs-lightw8> responsive design?
[17:26] <luvs-lightw8> ahh, nvm.
[17:28] <Robbilie> luvs-lightw8, what do you think bout responsive design? :D
[19:56] <shaneo1> is anyone thinking of working on a navigation app like google maps ....?
[19:58] <Robbilie> well there will be maps so why choose smthn different?
[20:00] <shaneo1> im just asking as I work in the corparate business sector and always on the road, navigation is essential to me
[20:01] <Robbilie> well do you think having a "not default os" on your business phone a good idea...
[20:01] <Robbilie> ?
[20:03] <shaneo1> what would you suggest then?
[20:03] <Robbilie> using a second phone for testing or at least to check out if the functionality is daily drivable :)
[20:04] <shaneo1> thats what im getting at yes.
[20:05] <Robbilie> just to ensure that you dont get a fail in a situation you couldnt afford it, like you said ;)
[20:05] <shaneo1> oh nevermind, forget I even asked.
[20:32] <Amey> Hi
[20:33] <Amey> I have a question regarding ubuntu-phone. Has cannonical released any security model papers or white papers revolving ubuntu phone. I want to contribute from early start stage regarding in ubuntu phone data protection model.. but I am not sure where should I start.
[21:20] <slick4> hi all!
[21:23] <slick4> hey one question


[02:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: exo 0.12.3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-exo-0-12-3-released-tp52016.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[04:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - wasn't sure what to file it against ;)
[06:33] <Spass> I thought "Final" was w frozen ISO, but all my results from yesterday's testing are gone :(
[06:34] <Spass> anyway, the "top edge blinking" issue is worse now, even Window Buttons panel plugin is blinking now (on Numix, because on Greybird you can't even change windows when your cursor is on top edge)
[08:48] <akxwi-dave> cheers flocculant
[09:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: ah.... good question. Maybe xfce4-settings?
[10:05] <akxwi-dave> flocculant: I know you probably will have, but did you diasble nvidia before the upgrade..?  I had an upgrade bork, due to not disabling it.
[16:25] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: I only had nvidia for approximately 20 minutes at the beginning of October to check and SRU fix :)
[16:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: okey doke - though will check with the latest iso just in case
[16:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: bug 1798148
[18:20] <akxwi-dave> flocculant:  just tried todays final iso on a dell laptop and its booted into xubuntu desktop fine.. will try on my nvidia laptop now as well
[18:27] <akxwi-dave> hahaha got bug 1798148 on my Lenovo Thinkpad with nvidia 620m card
[19:06] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: cool - sort of, glad it's not just me
[19:06] <flocculant> reported yesterday's install to hardware - it's on the daily now though
[19:07] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: also re the nvidia issue - bug 1797932


[00:14] <leaftype> hello
[09:05] <yuchen> Hello. I'm making a dictionary scope, and I'd like the scope to play the pronunciation when user hit the button. What should I do in the Activation::activate() method to play the url audio?
[09:27] <rim> Hi , I'm Rimsya
[09:29] <rim> How to install Asus T100H wihout windows 10
[09:42] <kaisoz> hi!
[11:20] <yuchen> Hi. When I add audio widgets on my scope's preview, it always fails to play and log that "No decoder available for type audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, ..." Can anyone give some hints?
[11:50] <oem_> hi
[11:51] <oem_> a
[11:52] <oem_> i want to install ubuntu touch to my Sony Xperia Tablet Z
[11:52] <oem_> can anyone help me
[11:52] <oem_> i'm stuck
[11:52] <oem_> cant find any decent tutorial etc
[11:55] <oem_> hello
[11:55] <oem_> anyone
[11:56] <popey> oem_: maybe speak to ondra as I believe he was part of the team that did some sony porting in the past
[11:56] <popey> (if he's around)
[12:22] <yuchen> Hi. When I add audio widgets on my scope's preview, it always fails to play and log that "No decoder available for type audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, ..." Can anyone give some hints?
[12:25] <davidcalle> pstolowski: ^ maybe you know which codecs we ship?
[12:25] <pstolowski> davidcalle, no, sorry. jamesh may know
[12:36] <yuchen> Well.. the problem seems to be solved after installing `ubuntu-restricted-extras' package. Thanks anyway!
[12:55] <donald> bonjour je veux installer un multiboot.  j'ai déjà installé un ubuntu. Je veux installer un kali à la suite. Je suis en train de partitionner manuellement avec le guide https://openclassrooms.com/courses/reprenez-le-controle-a-l-aide-de-linux/partitionner-son-disque. Quel point de montage est-ce que je dois choisir pour la partition qui contiendra  le systeme de kali. est-ce bien "/" ?
[13:26] <dobey> donald: english please, and #ubuntu is the channel for general ubuntu support. for kali you should go to a kali-specific channel as it's not an offically supported derivative
[13:34] <SirCmpwn> WPA enterprise on the ubuntu tablet
[13:34] <SirCmpwn> status?
[13:38] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: it works has done for a while, why?
[13:38] <SirCmpwn> when I tap a WPA enterprise network to join it
[13:38] <SirCmpwn> nothing happens
[13:38] <SirCmpwn> any other network and I'm connected or presented with an auth dialog
[13:39] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: it should open system settings to allow details to be added
[13:40] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: what image are you on?
[13:40] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: and what device
[13:40] <dobey> and is the screen unlocked?
[13:40] <SirCmpwn> I'm on an bq aquarius M10
[13:40] <SirCmpwn> fully updated
[13:42] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: what dobey said, is the screen unlocked?
[13:42] <SirCmpwn> yes
[13:42] <SirCmpwn> doing this from the settings menu
[13:43] <SirCmpwn> or screen, rather
[13:43] <SirCmpwn> not from the slide down thing
[13:45] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: it is working here fine for me. So not sure why it isn't for you.
[13:46] <SirCmpwn> how can I gather more information about what's going wrong
[13:46] <SirCmpwn> dmesg?
[13:46] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: /var/log/syslog most likely
[13:47] <SirCmpwn> will check that momentarily
[13:48] <dobey> or ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-network.log (or whatever log file is in ~/.cache/upstart/ for the network indicator i guess)
[13:49] <jgdx> mzanetti, hey, does ubuntu-authenticator build using gcc6? I'm getting failures like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23078400/
[13:49] <mzanetti> jgdx, I've no clue
[13:50] <mzanetti> jgdx, but the error looks like an SDK bug
[13:50] <mzanetti> jgdx, try this:
[13:50] <mzanetti> mkdir /home/jonas/Work/ubuntu-authenticator/build/po/
[13:52] <jgdx> mzanetti, okay, anyway, it started segfaulting on yakketi, and I wanted to do a rebuild.
[13:52] <mzanetti> jgdx, does the mkdir thing help?
[13:53] <jgdx> mzanetti, I don't see any difference, no
[13:53] <mzanetti> dunno then... haven't tried gcc6 myself yet
[13:55] <SirCmpwn> nothing particularly interesting in either log
[13:55] <SirCmpwn> Debug: Connecting to: "xxxx" ((null):0, (null))
[13:56] <jgdx> mzanetti, https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-53367
[13:56] <jgdx> mzanetti, seems to be an issue in qmake
[13:56] <SirCmpwn> also, is there a way to run x11 apps on ubuntu touch?
[13:56] <jgdx> mzanetti, (workaround: use cmake)
[13:56] <jgdx> ;)
[13:59] <dobey> SirCmpwn: libertine is how that's done
[14:01] <SirCmpwn> thanks
[14:01] <SirCmpwn> I take it ubuntu touch runs mir, correct?
[14:02] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: it does
[14:02] <SirCmpwn> last question for now, and probably off topic tbh
[14:02] <SirCmpwn> but does anyone know where I could go to get some help installing other OSes on this device?
[14:06] <davmor2> SirCmpwn: see the BQ site for help with that I don't know what OS'es they support for it
[14:07] <SirCmpwn> thanks
[14:25] <donald1> I want to install kali linux in multiboot after an ubuntu and I want to install another os later. how to make thepartitions?
[14:25] <ogra> donald1, try asking in #ubuntu
[14:25] <k1l_> donald1: on a smartphone?
[14:26] <donald1> no
[14:27] <k1l_> donald1: this is the ubuntu-touch channel with focus on the ubuntu phone. for your qeustions about partitioning for several linux OS you might want to ask in ##linux
[15:29] <tedg> jdstrand: kenvandine is finding that the vivid apparmor profiles don't have the UAL demangler binaries in them, where the xenial ones do.
[15:29] <tedg> jdstrand: Do we need to backport those? Or is there a different plan?
[15:30] <jdstrand> tedg: there is no plan that I am aware of. sounds like they need to be pulled back if the demangler is expected to be used on vivid
[15:31] <tedg> jdstrand: Yeah, he is using it for content hub.
[15:31] <kenvandine> jdstrand, maybe backport those when we land the pasteboard policy changes
[15:31] <kenvandine> we'll need it for the clipboard UI for sure
[15:31] <tedg> jdstrand: Is that something you'd want us to put in a silo with kenvandine's changes or do separately?
[15:31] <kenvandine> so soonish... and i know we'd rather not update those more than needed
[15:38] <jdstrand> tedg (cc kenvandine, tyhicks): definitely land with anything else that is changing the default policy. I'd be fine with that landing via silo
[15:42] <kenvandine> tedg, can you propose a branch against the 16.04 branch and i'll make sure it gets into my landing when we're ready?
[15:43] <tedg> Sure
[15:44] <kenvandine> tedg, much appreciated :)
[15:44] <tedg> kenvandine: Wait, won't your pasteboard branch do that by default?
[15:44] <tedg> kenvandine: It'll grab the latest and push it back.
[15:44] <kenvandine> no, i have 3 branches just adding what i need for each
[15:44] <kenvandine> it was cherry picks from my branch against trunk
[15:45] <tyhicks> Elleo: hi - are you still needing the default template to be updated for maliit? (bug #1606595)
[15:45] <tedg> Wait, why do we have different?
[15:45] <kenvandine> tedg, dunno... there are 3 branches for apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu, one for each series
[15:45] <kenvandine> and they do differ
[15:46] <kenvandine> Elleo, if you need the template changed, you should get it in with my changes :)
[15:47] <tedg> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/ual_typo/+merge/262326
[15:47] <kenvandine> omg
[15:47] <kenvandine> i did that?
[15:48] <tedg> I think that it's fixed, I don't see it in xenial at least.
[15:49] <kenvandine> tedg, so funny, i ran into this same problem before :)
[15:49] <tedg> kenvandine: You should really fix this
[15:49] <kenvandine> jdstrand said he merged it... and clearly it went into trunk
[15:50] <kenvandine> but this is still not marked merged
[15:50] <tedg> kenvandine: This is the target we need, right? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/1.3-stable-phone-overlay
[15:50] <tedg> That's vivid
[15:51] <kenvandine> yup
[17:05] <tedg> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/vivid-ual-mir-helper/+merge/303602
[17:13] <Aurelie> hi
[17:14] <Aurelie> i'm looking for some help about ubuntu-touch
[17:14] <Aurelie> i've read these informations but i have an issue (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation)
[17:15] <afmuller_> is there a relation between ubuntu touch and snappy ubuntu core? Does the latest version of ubuntu touch run on ubuntu core?
[17:15] <Aurelie> i have no idea, i don't know snappy ubuntu core
[17:16] <Aurelie> i had ubuntu phone and android on my phone but, since i didn't use ubuntu phone, i choose to uninstall it today
[17:16] <Aurelie> i realized my partition's size didn't go back to its normal 8Go
[17:17] <Aurelie> it stays at 5Go, but i would like to get back the ubuntu partition to use it with android, and i have no idea how to do so
[17:18] <Aurelie> if anyone has an idea, i would like to try
[17:19] <kenvandine> tedg, thx
[17:19] <dobey> Aurelie: no, the phone images don't run on snappy core yet
[17:20] <Aurelie> i'm sorry
[17:20] <afmuller_> dobey: is it something that will likely happen in the future?
[17:20] <Aurelie> that wasn't my question, i don't talk about snappy core, it's afmuller who was looking for that information
[17:21] <dobey> afmuller_: yes, the goal is to switch to snaps at some point when things are ready
[17:21] <dobey> Aurelie: oh sorry, my bad :)
[17:21] <afmuller_> dobey: ok, interesting. Thanks.
[17:22] <dobey> afmuller_: we are working on it, but it's a lot of work
[17:22] <afmuller_> dobey: yeah I imagine it's going to be a big thing for something that in the short term won't yield immediate benefits
[17:23] <dobey> Aurelie: sorry, i can't help with that. i'm not sure how that works. have you tried recovering space from the "Ubuntu Installer" app in system settings?
[17:23] <Aurelie> no problem at all, i'm looking for any information i can get to try and solve my issue :)
[17:24] <Aurelie> i have wipe all cache and data, to try, so i have no more ubuntu installer on my phone
[17:24] <dobey> Aurelie: worst case, you could back up your data from android, and just re-flash the full android image from fastboot
[17:24] <afmuller_> Is it possible to run 16.04 on a nexus 5? I've tried with http://system-image.ubports.com -> devel_stable but it's still based on 15.04
[17:25] <dobey> afmuller_: you shouldn't use 16.04 anyway. lots of things won't work, because gcc5 broke ABI.
[17:25] <Aurelie> i already did it but it didn't do anything about the size of my partition
[17:26] <afmuller_> dobey: are bq/meizu images based on 15.04? I'm trying to understand the ecosystem a little bit
[17:26] <dobey> oh. i'm not sure then. maybe you have to repartition the device
[17:26] <dobey> afmuller_: yes, all stable supported phone images are still based on 15.04 at the moment
[17:27] <afmuller_> dobey: got it, thanks
[17:28] <Aurelie> i'm trying to repartition it, but i have no idea of how, i didn't succeed with my computer, and i didn't find any app on F-droid to allow me to do it
[17:29] <mhall119> mariogrip: I don't have any update for our call today, Olli has been out on holidays so I haven't spoken with him since our last call
[17:29] <dobey> Aurelie: i guess do the opposite of whatever dualboot.sh does to create it
[17:31] <Aurelie> yes, now, i'm going to search for what dualboot.sh do, it's a good start ! thanks :)
[17:33] <Aurelie> another way i'm thinking of, is, to make my computer take my phone as an external drive, and with some gparted tool, resize the partition
[17:33] <Aurelie> do you think it is possible?
[17:45] <dobey> Aurelie: no, I don't think android exposes the internal storage as a usb mass storage device
[17:45] <Aurelie> ok, too bad, it would have help me a lot, but i understand the security lack that would have been!
[17:56] <dobey> i don't recall who all was involved with that dualboot.sh script, but if one of them is around, they're probably the best one to help get back to a single OS partition setup
[18:05] <Aurelie> yes, i try to send a mail to the team (link from the "get help" page of ubuntu-phone), if anyone could help me, i'm sure they will answer when they will get time, and now, i'm trying another cyanogenmod rom, with gapps this time to look in android market, in case there is any app to resize partitions in it !
[18:31] <Aurelie> i'll stop my search for today, thank you for your help, have a nice evening !
[19:02] <jgdx> mzanetti, ubuntu-authenticator builds fine in cmake
[21:22] <JRCSisley> Hello, has anyone there installed ubuntu in a galaxy note 4 o a galaxy note 10.1
[21:24] <JRCSisley> Im new on this but I was thinking to install Ubuntu in my phone (Galaxy note 4)
[22:46] <Elleo> tyhicks: yep, that'll be needed to allow us to confine maliit and distribute it via a snap in the future (sorry for delayed reply, I'm away on holiday this week, so aren't near a computer much)
[22:54] <tyhicks> Elleo: thanks
[22:54] <tyhicks> kenvandine, tedg: ^ how soon do you need to land your changes to the default template?


[11:30] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help with TCP Wrappers? Are they supported in 16.04 LTS as standard or do I have to install a package? Also how can I check if an application is built to support them?
[11:30] <jonah> Thanks for any help with this
[11:44] <jonah> Is there a way to add tcp-wrappers support into a package with apt or do you have to compile from source to get tcp wrappers?
[13:59] <zioproto> Is it the thanksgiving weekend right ? :) I guess most people on holiday ?
[13:59] <zioproto> :)
[14:00] <zioproto> jamespage: looks like we have another chance to work together https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1644839
[14:03] <AlecTaylor> hi
[14:04] <AlecTaylor> Should I place my `.sock`s in `/run` like everyone else, or should I create a new dir like some people, e.g. /softwarename/var/api/api.sock
[14:21] <zioproto> Anyone knows how to check the value for MAX_TAP_QUEUES for Kernel 4.4.0-47-generic #68~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP ?
[14:24] <jamespage> zioproto, hello!
[14:25] <zioproto> jamespage: hello :) I am dealing with a nice bug in production
[14:25] <zioproto> as a workaround I told my use to upload a glance image with hw_vif_multiqueue_enabled='false'
[14:25] <zioproto> so he can boot the instance
[14:25] <zioproto> but he gets then the slow networking
[14:26] <zioproto> the patch is easy, I can rework https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332660/
[14:28] <zioproto> cloning git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git to see if MAX_TAP_QUEUES changes from vanilla kernel
[14:36] <zioproto> jamespage: the ubuntu kernel is different
[14:36] <zioproto> #define MAX_TAP_QUEUES DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RSS_QUEUES
[14:36] <zioproto> this brakes nova
[14:36] <zioproto> :(
[14:37] <jamespage> zioproto, trusty is 3.13 right?
[14:37] <jamespage> oh wait I see you're using the 4.4. kernel
[14:39] <zioproto> yes
[14:39] <zioproto> so there is this patch in nova that hardcodes some values
[14:39] <zioproto> there is also nice reference table of this values, with URL to the git of vanilla kernel
[14:40] <zioproto> jamespage: look at this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332660/
[14:41] <zioproto> I am runnig this kernel linux-generic-lts-xenial             <IP_ADDRESS>.34
[14:43] <jamespage> zioproto, xenial kernel - http://paste.ubuntu.com/23532517/
[14:43] <jamespage> should be defaulting to 256
[14:44] <frickler> jamespage: seems that value is changed when building the kernel for trusty
[14:45] <jamespage> hmm
[14:45] <zioproto> Linux zhdk0088 4.4.0-47-generic
[14:45] <zioproto> how can I check it at runtime ?
[14:46] <zioproto> frickler: how you find that out ?
[14:49] <jamespage> zioproto, I see the same stanza in drivers/net/tun.c in the xenial HWE branch
[14:49] <frickler> zioproto: ah, no, sorry, I was looking at the wrong branch
[14:50] <zioproto> Did you guys see my stacktrace  in the bug report ?
[14:50] <frickler> so according to the comment in baf71c5c1f80d82e92924050a60b5baaf97e3094, this should be good for 256 vCPUs
[14:51] <zioproto> but I get
[14:51] <zioproto> Invalid number of queues (= 46), must be a postive integer less than 31.
[14:52] <frickler> zioproto: just to make sure, you do run on a system with > 32 cpus?
[14:53] <zioproto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23532554/
[14:53] <zioproto> yes because If I remove the multiqueue property from the glance image I am able to boot the instance
[14:54] <zioproto> I have 48 CPUs on the sistem
[14:54] <zioproto> and now the instance is running
[14:54] <zioproto> I told the user
[14:55] <jamespage> zioproto, which libvirt version are you using?
[14:55] <zioproto> to boot from a different glance image where I decorated the image with hw_vif_multiqueue_enabled='false'
[14:55] <zioproto> jamespage: 1.2.16-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~cloud0
[14:55] <frickler> zioproto: so as I workaround maybe try to set the limit in the nova code you referenced to 31 instead of 256
[14:55] <jamespage> actually that message comes from qemu
[14:55] <zioproto> frickler: yes that would work but I dont want to carry local patches
[14:56] <zioproto> frickler: I need to come up with a solution that will be accepted in openstack upstream
[14:56] <zioproto> jamespage: qemu 1:2.3+dfsg-5ubuntu9.4~cloud2
[14:58] <jamespage> give me a sec
[14:59] <jamespage> zioproto, yup you're being blocked by qemu
[14:59] <frickler> zioproto: maybe the limit 31 31 is imposed by qemu, so nova is wrong in using that kernel value.
[15:00] <jamespage> VIRTIO_PCI_QUEUE_MAX == 64 in the version you're using
[15:00] <jamespage> 64 /2 -1
[15:00] <jamespage> (VIRTIO_PCI_QUEUE_MAX - 1) / 2
[15:00] <zioproto> jamespage: you rock ! how did you find that out ?
[15:00] <cpaelzer> it is surely arch specific, I've had s390 on 64 cpus, but then no PCI there
[15:00] <jamespage> zioproto, been poking at qemu today - but 2.7
[15:00] <jamespage> where its 1024
[15:01] <zioproto> I need to update this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1570631
[15:01] <jamespage> cpaelzer, that constant has a new name
[15:01] <jamespage> VIRTIO_QUEUE_MAX
[15:01] <jamespage> not PIC
[15:01] <jamespage> PCI rather
[15:01] <jamespage> include/hw/virtio/virtio.h:#define VIRTIO_QUEUE_MAX 1024
[15:01] <jamespage> thats from 2.7.0
[15:01] <cpaelzer> thanks jamespage
[15:01] <jamespage> cpaelzer, yw
[15:01] <cpaelzer> I just say it is arch specific as I had 64 running already
[15:02] <jamespage> cpaelzer, I'm putting qemu in a snap with libvirt
[15:02] <cpaelzer> ah thanks, just wondered what you do with that atm
[15:03] <jamespage> zioproto, xenial qemu has:
[15:03] <jamespage> VIRTIO_QUEUE_MAX
[15:03] <jamespage> =include/hw/virtio/virtio.h:#define VIRTIO_QUEUE_MAX 1024
[15:04] <jamespage> zioproto, so this looks like an issue isolated to the liberty UCA version you're using
[15:04] <frickler> right, that would mean that nova has to check the qemu version in addition to the kernel version and set its limit accordingly, I guess
[15:04] <cpaelzer> zioproto: but x86 HW virt is limited to stay <=HW-cpus IIRC - so you can go to 48, but not test e.g. 256 (maybe that can be tuned thou)
[15:04] <frickler> jamespage: MIN_QEMU_VERSION in nova is still at 1.5.3
[15:04] <zioproto> jamespage:  should we make a patch just for the ubuntu packages ?
[15:04] <jamespage> frickler, youch
[15:04] <jamespage> zioproto, for qemu
[15:04] <jamespage> ?
[15:05] <jamespage> zioproto, or for nova?
[15:05] <frickler> jamespage: may be bumped to 2.1.0 for pike iiuc
[15:05] <jamespage> \o/
[15:05] <jamespage> that's still not enough for 1024
[15:05] <rbasak> cpaelzer: around? Can I give you an intermediate report on this strongswan merge review? I'd like to talk it over with you before the complexity of our delta makes me lose my mind :)
[15:05] <jamespage> rbasak, oh I remember that one
[15:06] <rbasak> cpaelzer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23532604/ are my current notes.
[15:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: I'll get a visitor to teach math to soon, but til then ok
[15:06] <rbasak> cpaelzer: hangout? Two minutes.
[15:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: give me two minutes to clean up the next evil merge
[15:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ok
[15:06] <zioproto> jamespage: I guess for nova
[15:06] <frickler> zioproto: if you don't come up with something else, I'll propose a patch to nova upstream next week
[15:06] <rbasak> Snap :)
[15:07] <frickler> gotta run for the weekend now
[15:07] <zioproto> I am also on my way to the weekend
[15:07] <zioproto> lets meet again here on monday :)
[15:07] <rbasak> cpaelzer: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/strongswan?hl=en-GB&authuser=0
[15:08] <jamespage> zioproto, frickler: have a nice one guys
[15:35] <zioproto> bye !!
[17:52] <hhee> guys, i have got a server with root enabled by default. how can i turn it off again?
[18:02] <genii> hhee: First, make sure you have a user with sudo rights so you don't lock yourself out of the system. If all good there, sudo usermod -L root    ...will lock the root again
[18:04] <genii> hhee: To make sure it took: sudo grep root /etc/shadow   ...and make sure the second field is an exclamation mark, like:  root:!:
[18:06] <hhee> genii, got it. already create usual user
[18:06] <hhee> genii, thx a lot
[18:06] <hhee> :)
[18:09] <genii> Glad to assist
[18:15] <hhee> genii, well another question
[18:15] <hhee> seems like i didn't have apropriate record in sudoers file
[18:16] <hhee> which way more eight to add user with sudo right?
[18:16] <hhee> rights*
[18:21] <hhee> got it
[18:21] <hhee> !
[18:22] <tarpman> hhee: the usual way in ubuntu/debian is to add the user to the 'sudo' group
[18:22] <hhee> tarpman, got it, thx :)
[18:22] <tarpman> hhee: usermod -aG sudo username
[18:22] <tarpman> ok
[18:28] <hhee> guys. question.
[18:28] <hhee> does ubuntu-server has groups for install software? how can i do it?
[18:28] <hhee> for example LAMP and mail server
[18:30] <hhee> im reading man apt, but dont see smth similar
[18:30] <tarpman> hhee: yes. have a look at tasksel
[18:32] <hhee> tarpman, got it. very handy.
[18:33] <hhee> one more question. after many command in ssh session i have got something like this - perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[18:33] <hhee> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[18:34] <hhee> after locale command
[18:34] <hhee> got - locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[18:35] <hhee> what i did wrong?
[18:35] <tarpman> what's your locale set to?
[18:35] <hhee> tarpman, i thought it was utf8
[18:35] <tarpman> (run the locale command with no arguments to get a summary)
[18:35] <hhee> tarpman, LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[18:35] <hhee> not set - LANGUAGE= and LANGUAGE=
[18:36] <hhee> sorry and LC_ALL=
[18:37] <tarpman> hhee: do you have language-pack-en installed
[18:39] <hhee> tarpman, cool. got it. i have found http://askubuntu.com/questions/162391/how-do-i-fix-my-locale-issue
[18:39] <hhee> tarpman, and there is solutions
[18:39] <tarpman> ok
[18:39] <hhee> tarpman, big tnx for awesome support.
[18:39] <hhee> have a nice day!
[18:39] <tarpman> not sure those are the best solutions, but if they work, fine :)
[18:39] <hhee> seems like work :)
[19:06] <hhee> guys. another quesion about sudo :)
[19:07] <hhee> i tried - sudo cat file.conf > file2.conf
[19:07] <hhee> bash: file2.conf: Permission denied
[19:07] <hhee> which way to do it?
[19:07] <tarpman> yes, because 'cat file.conf' runs under sudo, but '> file2.conf' happens in your own shell, outside of sudo
[19:08] <tarpman> you want: sudo tee file2.conf < file.conf
[19:08] <tarpman> which reads from file.conf in your current shell and writes to file2.conf under sudo
[19:08] <hhee> tarpman, cool... thx :)
[19:27] <hhee> tarpman, another question
[19:27] <hhee> sudo cd /var/log/apache2/
[19:28] <hhee> sudo: cd: command not found
[19:28] <hhee> how can i handle this? :)
[19:28] <tarpman> hhee: if "cd" did exist as a standalone command, what would it do?
[19:28] <tarpman> hhee: your shell would spawn a "sudo" process, which would execute "cd", and then exit
[19:28] <tarpman> hhee: meanwhile your shell is exactly where it was, nothing's changed
[19:29] <hhee> tarpman, i need some group of command.. i have to think
[19:29] <tarpman> hhee: I don't know what you're trying to do. maybe you want to cd /var/log/apache2 and then sudo something in there. or maybe you want to open a root shell (sudo -s or sudo -i) and do stuff in that shell
[19:32] <hhee> tarpman, got it. sudo -i what i need
[19:32] <hhee> tarpman, thx again :) many times


[00:22] <dsmythies> godbyk: I thought I would try IRC. (I am not very IRC savy). In your e0mail you mentioned "validation". I do not know how to to validation for desktop docs. For serverguide it is "scripts/validate.sh serverguide/C/serverguide.xml" (replace "C" with whatever language). How does one do a validation check for the dektop docs?
[00:25] <dsmythies> Oh, and... Should I push the fixes for ubuntu-help/Makefile.am or do you want to, when you push other fixes?
[03:34] <dsmythies> godbyk: I pushed ubuntu-help/Makefile.am along with two other changes. See rev 232.


[10:15] <luna__debconf> https://debconf23.debconf.org/schedule/venue/1/
[15:10] <UnivrslSuprBox> amurray: ahh, 209 is great! I might turn it down a bit more (especially the end sting), but this was enough to prevent me from needing to reach for the volume control.
[15:47] <JanC> it's a very common error to have the music too loud, even professionals making TV/movies make it from time to time...
[15:48] <JanC> or radio
[15:50] <JanC> it's in part caused by the fact that most music is processed by a "compressor" filter nowadays