[09:09] <kike_chavez> !ops
 Anyone?  Any way to file a bug against wiki.ubuntu.com?
[23:06] <bazhang> cant wikis be edited?
[23:06] <k1l> maybe he means help.ubuntu.com?
 k1l: it's actually the kxtudio distro.
[23:37] <bazhang> some offbrand kde distro?
[23:37] <k1l> never heard of it
[23:37] <bazhang> me neither
[23:38] <genii> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[23:39] <bazhang> nih
[23:58] <bazhang> although they wont want that garbage either
[23:58] <bazhang> @random herring shrubbery


 Not for the moment but see how our privacy is massacred, it could change faster than you think
 @vanyasem, That's not really the plan at the moment. We don't have the developers or momentum to be the mobile OS "For everyone," but we can be the best mobile OS "For Us."
 yes !
 Given enough time / money, could that change? Yeah.
 @vanyasem, Just a reminder here: Ubuntu Touch id the first attempt to bring linux to mobile devices. I personally would be surprised if it succeed in the long term. I consider UT and similar efforts (plasma mobile, sailfishos, etc) to be just pioneer projects which can help by setting some common ground for future projects. It is more or less a similar situation with the "linux on desktop PCs" 15-20 years ago ;)
 he's young :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Exactly what I said. That language barrier :)
[00:25] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #304: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/304/
 uh-oh, new kernel time!
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 dd
 @Flohack, Now it's only one issue!! I think we will have OTA 2 before our next q&a. Or on the same day!
 I seriously apologize for calling GNU/Linux "Linux".
 @peterbittner, You are forgiven.
 @mariogrip /me is curious on why my commit got reverted :P
 (hammerhead kernel)
 Will UBPorts be able to utilize CDMA?
 I'm getting a "permission error" when saving translations in: … https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/ubports-app
[05:14] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> @wagafo, Got them too stopped translating
 @Andre Büsgen, I'm only getting it for that project (ubports app), not for the other projects there
[05:17] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> I couldn't even login without problems so I stopped after some frustrating attempts and questions that were left unanswered. However I'm ready to translate as soon as the instance works for me ☺
 @kz6fittycent, What do you mean by that?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/08/purism-phone-campaign-100k
[05:57] <ubports_bot> Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #109: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/109/
 That hype. I dont see the point why this would matter for us. You will receive a very expensive phone, and a Matrix client. If you are lucky it will make phone calls. So lets better focus on Ubuntu Touch.
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 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/hU044Wyj/file_302.webp
 @Andre Büsgen, What problems did you have for logging in? I don't think there are any problems right now on that front. And as I said, all the other projects work well, and weblate is in my opinion an excellent tool. My language is 100% translated, except for filemanager which is still locked and ubports-app that has the mentioned permission problem.
[06:42] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> Weblate is an excellent tool. However it seems that something is misconfigured server side. I will have a look into that later.
 @Andre Büsgen, Well I can just say we hit a lot of merge conflicts since it seems constantly either po files get changes on both server and github, or weblate merges are not detected in a good way and it produces conflicts by itself
[06:45] <tgBot> <Andre Büsgen> This seems odd
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[09:08] <tgBot> dreamcreator108 was added by: dreamcreator108
 @dreamcreator108, Welcome :)
[10:15] <shadov9> Is it possible to install touch without using fastboot? I can't see my device
 @shadov9, not really, we need to push recovery and boot image
[10:57] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Hi, I had yasterday laso problems installing on nexus 5.
[10:58] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> In the end the cpt for windows helped me
[10:59] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> First my bootloader was locked. As I am not IT, only user and big fan, that was already amazing task for me.
[11:00] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I had good experience installing UBports on B 4.5, but yesterday was for quite difficult.
[11:02] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Magic device tool did not see my device, and the CPT I was not capable to install on my laptop 32 bit with 16.04 LTS
[11:03] <shadov9> i spend 2 days for it and still nothing could u give me link?
[11:07] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> LIST would like kindly ask to make more detailed documentation about the installation on supported devices: How to unlock bootloader, whtat to install first to do so (sdk android tools instead full android sdk) and also there are some happenings using the CPT, I did not now if it is working, whtat shoul I do next after selecting reboot system, as there appears new screen with menu.
[11:11] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> I am very happy to succeed but I am not to be capable to repeat as I do not know what really worked for me. Totaly confused.I am sorry, I know it is about my knowledge but honestly I am doing my best and I love UT/UBports. Franks to all that tried to help, my Nexus 5 is part of the family now.
[11:14] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> Thanks, not Franks
[11:19] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack I can also report progress in my  translations on weblate, waiting for new ones now🙂
 @Milan Korecky, good we will add soon ;)
[11:23] <shadov9> i will try on windows. Do you think it could be easier?
 @shadov9, It won't be. Please, don't use Windows at all.
[11:26] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> It should be the same, for me the diference was the installation detected my device.
[11:30] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> once it is detected and you are on Fast boot screen click Start, later watch the proceeding it will ask you to select recovery mode and click on install, after that I was lost. But I finished with success.
[11:31] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> please can someone confirm the next steps using cpt :?
[11:31] <shadov9> @vanyasem i don't
[11:32] <Sylar> Hi, simple question here, does ubuntu touch is still supported by some people, or is it useless to try and install it on a device?
 @bhushanshah, It was causing major performance issues on Hammerhead
[11:32] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> But Ivan, he does not see his device, what can he do
 hi
 We're here Sylar
[11:33] <shadov9> i add rules, download sdk, checked permissions on my phone, and nothing
 (Photo, 900x683) https://irc.ubports.com/Q0ieuKVk/file_304.jpg Can one day be?
 The Design is really nice :)
 This is beautiful
 Would you be able to get the result?
[11:36] <Sylar> Alright :P
 That was actually the old design
 I prefer it
 How to deliver it
 What was this version ??
 Uh... you could install some terminally old version, I guess?
 I want to test this
 @Milan Korecky, It means he did something wrong and should double-check everything. Change the cable, try a different port, maybe reboot several times.
 shadov9, sorry, just jumping in. What device are you using again?
[11:45] <tgBot> Sylar was added by: Sylar
[11:45] <shadov9> samsung s5
 Uh
 What are you trying to do?
[11:47] <shadov9> install ubuntu, but i can't see my device when i type fastboot
 Well first, I don't think Samsung uses fastboot.  I hate android
 @shadov9, install LineageOS, it's as far as you can get.
 A lot better than stock TouchWiz (and it has no gapps)
[11:53] <shadov9> Thanks guys once again
 Are calls working on a Nexus 5 ?
 yes
 Noice, i think i'll try it, if you need à developer, i can try and help. although i'm more of a web developer, so not that good with linux core :P
 (Photo, 1280x516) https://irc.ubports.com/paFTogxa/file_306.jpg I stuck at here, is this ok?
[12:36] <nani_> hello
[12:37] <nani_> i am here to know if ubuntu can be installed on nexus 7 2012 wifi only
 Wow, there were a lot of Nexus 7's
[12:39] <nani_> oh hi
 I haven't heard of any unofficial builds for that. You can find our supported devices at https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch … Yours isn't on the list yet
[12:40] <nani_> ok thank you for the info
[12:43] <nani_> 7hey can you suggest any alternate version or other os for nexus 7 2012 wifi only version
 I can't, but I'm sure xda can
[12:43] <nani_> thank you again
 Wasn't their a Halium port for the Nexus 7?
[12:44] <tgBot> <Frank Gores> Quick question: are the original ut coreapps maintained by ubports?
[12:45] <bshah> @JBBgameich, there was but not for 2012 model
 ah right. ..
 @Frank Gores, We dont have maintainers for all of them but it gets slowly established, yes
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 @UniversalSuperBox, And what version it is...
 Florian, would you know?
 (Photo, 900x683) https://irc.ubports.com/wanoc4w1/file_304.jpg
 @UniversalSuperBox, That was a mockup done by a community member. It was never implemented or anything
 https://youtu.be/4KQnkNP28YQ was probably the closest thing to that. But that never hit the stable channel IIRC
 Uauuuuu
 that is nice
 @Sconio, Wut?
 @Flohack, Cdma networks in addition to GSM...here in the States, we have both cdma (Sprint and Verizon) and GSM ( t mobile and AT&T)
 @DanChapman, It is not this version
 @kz6fittycent, We've heard reports that the Nexus 5 is fine with CDMA.
 I don't have one, so I can't test...
 @Sconio, The version you want "doesn't exist"
 ok
 thank you for that clarification
 @DanChapman, I miss that version tbh, it had a global search, something we don't have no more
 So, my question is, will it be possible in the future to get kind of style on UBports?
 @PhoenixLandPirate, yep was my favourite approach to it 😞 Shame it was so quickly axed
 @UniversalSuperBox, Ok
 @Flohack, 👍
 @Sconio, 👍
 Precisely, why not work on the layout
 @mariogrip, Noted!  #audiocast....  (thanks!)
 @andreasimonetti, good insight.  send me more info on this guy on the side if you have any ;)
 @Sconio, I'm sure it's 'on the list' but probably 'a little bit down the list?
 I sincerely hope
[15:04] <tgBot> <Milan Korecky> @Mohannes Hi again, for my new device where can I find the URL link for Podbird, I cannot copy it from the BQ one and I don't find it on the webpage.Thanks in advance
 open store ?
 @kz6fittycent, That probably depends only on hardware & drivers, not much that ubports can do
[15:14] <tgBot> David Marceau was added by: David Marceau
[15:14] <tgBot> <David Marceau> I just wanted to drop by to say I installed your ubports on my Nexus 5. The install worked without hitches :)
 Nice thx ;)
 @David Marceau, welcome david
[15:17] <tgBot> <David Marceau> I have a passion for golang and therecipe/qt bindings.  Are there any recipes I can use to make an app with those and install it to ubports?
 @David Marceau, I will have to have a council meeting to answer that...
[15:20] <tgBot> <David Marceau> https://gophers.slack.com/files/omac777/F6MRH6RGE/arcto_example_embedded_within_shapedclock.go
 @exar_kun ! log this for "spin the wheel'!
 since you are new you can catch up here as to why this is funny for me: … https://soundcloud.com/ubports/
 @David Marceau, I was recently looking at forking a simple app, and I've noticed it is written in golang. Take a look at: https://github.com/wagafo/net-info
 @David Marceau, https://github.com/nikwen/ubuntu-go-qml-template also here's a template to get you going in the right direction
[15:24] <tgBot> <David Marceau> Is that still using gustavo's go-qml bindings?  Have you considered moving to the therecipe/qt bindings because they are certainly thorough.
 Are the go-qml bindings still supported then? AFAIK niemeyer is no longer working on them since he moved to the snapd team at canonical
 Oh have a link to therecipe/qt bindings?
 Oh wow! that is thorough
 Looks like it should be fairly trivial to get it working and shouldn't require any special wrappers around QApplication like sailfish requires.   I used to connect via some ssh shell via wifi, but is there another ssh that passes through the usb cable instead? i.e. adb shell something?
[16:32] <tgBot> <David Marceau> I'm am doing my best to rely on qml stuff and more on the entire qt binding stuff to build the app. I do hope the ubuntu touch gui isn't too contrained to qml.
[16:33] <tgBot> <David Marceau> Thank you Mr. Chapman.
[16:34] <tgBot> <David Marceau> I just read that nikwen ubuntu-go-qml-template link which pretty much answered a great deal.
[16:37] <tgBot> <David Marceau> the documentation on that link is dated 3 years old.
[16:37] <tgBot> <David Marceau> go1.3.3 should be replaced with the go1.9 that just released.
[16:38] <tgBot> <David Marceau> the github.com/therecipe/qt bindings work with 5.8 or 5.9.1...Qt 5.9.1 is out.
[16:39] <tgBot> <David Marceau> therecipe/qt bindings do indeed work with go1.9 and the latest qt 5.9.1 on windows/archlinux for amd64. I brought the binaries from the archlinux box to a centos box and they behaved as expected.
[16:40] <tgBot> <David Marceau> It should work on the nexus 5.
[16:40] <tgBot> <David Marceau> it's aarch64.
[16:41] <tgBot> <David Marceau> the qt binaries for out there for aarch64 on pi 3, the same ones should work on ubports aarch64 also.
[16:43] <tgBot> <David Marceau> my only frustration with the nexus4 with ubuntu touch was the storage capacity and the inability to install the necessary dev tools directly on the phone and build directly from there.  It's not the traditional way of developing for phones, but it would have been more convenient.
 I have a problem with my nexus 5 ,in the camera app dont works video ,can somewhere help me ?
 Yes there is a big latency during the ransition of the photo to the camera
 I can do nothing ?
 Speak here is a solution
 And wait for an UBports member to respond
 report a bug
 on GitHub
 if it hasn't done yet
 @mymike00, 👍🏻
 @Sconio, No it does not work ,thank you
 lol
 its solution ^^
 report bug
 haha
 @Stratoulis, It's a known issue, scheduled to be fixed in OTA-3 I seem to remember. See the 5th milestone in: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/milestone/6
 Is this bug?
 @David Marceau, You will most likely need to use the system Qt libraries current Qt5.4, and build with `QT_PKG_CONFIG=true`. Otherwise you won't be able to use the qpa platform plugin (ubuntumirclient). i.e your app won't be able to show windows, access clipboards and all that other platformie stuff
 @Sconio, certainly wouldn't call it expected behaviour 😜
 😁
 UBports Audiocast 007  -  New Mic, Lost Generation | UBports … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-audiocast-007-new-mic-lost-generation-64
 I found something 🦑
 @exar_kun, nice work, Joe!  You shut them all up with this incredible audiocast.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/enU06UD1/file_307.mp4
 (Photo, 1280x731) https://irc.ubports.com/J0hbuZ0H/file_309.jpg I translated some strings here and then it says "Translation locked" even if I didn't locked anything... is it a problem?
 Paging doctor @Flohack
 @mymike00, How long ago was that? Weblate auto-locks translations when someone works on them for some minutes to prevent two people from overwriting each other's work without realizing
 Unless it's staying there for really long it's normal and intended behaviour
 @mymike00, hmm strange but can you continue?
 Weblate is unknown grounds we are learning every day
 I'm trying to use it, but everytime I try to save a translation it says: RepositoryException at /translate/ubports/system-settings/it/ … error: insufficient permission for adding an object to repository database .git/objects … error: po/it.po: failed to insert into database … error: unable to index file po/it.po … fatal: updating files failed (128)
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 one question ... i asked that i think already is there any relation, cooperation with https://liri.io/ ?
 There is not.
 Have you seen this video? They talk about Ubports at minute ~38 https://youtu.be/4SwE9W8JasA
 @deedend, I appreciate that they're bringing Matrix and Riot to a better state. That's going to be nice for the entire community. … There wasn't much meat to the Halium question, but he did bring up the "well, we're making a new phone not selecting some old thing and trying to keep it around" point. But... The i.MX6 is some old thing, isn't it? The difference is that they'll have in-kernel support, which is really the most important part o
[21:35] <tgBot> their phone.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I agree, but unfortunately I think that imx6 is the only option nowadays every other chipmaker requires blobs and don't isolate the modem, that is one of the points of this phone. It's also suitable for Replicant, even if frankly I prefer to have a full GNU/Linux stack in place of an android free clone
 If the mx8 will be available hopefully they will use that
 If they don't know if they can use it now, they're not going to get it in a couple of quarters. That feels way too fast.
 Yes
 I can appreciate what they're trying to do, but I don't think I'll have a positive opinion about it until there's a real device (not a dev kit) in the hands of reviewers.
 Excited for Matrix getting better. That's positive.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Definitely!
 I will back the project as soon as I have collected the money
 @UniversalSuperBox, I am not sure. I still dont see the Matrix benefits ^^
 @Flohack, Client runs on another platform, buzz about the project, probably at least a small amount of money coming in from the company.
 I mean the benefits of Matrix as a messenger
 Compared to?
[22:09] <tgBot> IanIannotti was added by: IanIannotti
 Compared to Telegram or WhatsApp lets say 😆
 (Sticker, 512x467) https://irc.ubports.com/0uTkZT0J/file_310.webp
 Thank you all for your great work
 @Flohack, Well, Matrix is decentralized and can be set up for end-to-end encryption. It also has a bridge for everything, so you can chat on other platforms with a Matrix client.
 Welcome @IanIannotti, thanks!
 @UniversalSuperBox, So ok let me say, decentralized is nice, but currently I have more trust into uptime of the Telegram servers than into a myriad of user-hosted nodes
 End-to-end? yes maybe works well for peer2peer but the same problems with group chats. In the end its the same like XMPP/Jabber protocol
 Sure, and parts of the Matrix network have gone down rather spectacularly in the past month.
 @garrogarri, Looks like it was solved automagically
 @Flohack, It can also be integrated into lots of different apps, services, and devices... just like... xmpp was...
 Ah! Here we are @Flohack! https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq.html#what-is-the-difference-between-matrix-and-xmpp
 @UniversalSuperBox, http://spectrum.im/documentation/about.html
 @deedend, Just curious, where  is this school that is teaching everyone to say "Ubuntu" wrong?  Is there like a course I missed ? Why do people work harder to say it wrong?  Long "o' for all the syllables is actually easier than changing the vowel sounds for each 'U'.  Anyone?  Anyone?  This guy is on my hit list #audiocast
 @wayneoutthere, If you're talking about Lunduke, take a number. Guy is not well-liked.
 He's got a nice voice.   I'm amused, and somewhat disgusted.
 Just expected more.
 Alright, take it outside
 *is just bored* :P
 Oh BTW @PhoenixLandPirate
 (Sticker, 490x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GUM6q0Tu/file_311.webp
 (Loljk I loved Madoka Magica holy cow everyone should watch that)
 I'll shut up :P
 @wayneoutthere, In German we pronounce it OOboontoo with short OO and first oo ^^
 @Flohack, my general theory on names is this: Unless youare making fun of someone, try to say someone's name (and company name) correctly.  If you fail, correct.  We are human but the effort should be there.  Names are personal and have meaning.  Simple as that.
 But what is correct now?
 maybe Land Duke is making fun of them
 Ask @exar_kun he made a 'how to pronounce it right' app for ubuntu a while back
 (it's African)
 @Flohack, It's pronounced Ubuntu
 But not like Ubuntu
 For context, Wayne is a marketeer among other things.
 @Lorxu, This I found: /ʊˈbʊntuː/
 So its Jooboontoo 😆
 ^^
 Lol found different dictionaries with different opinions
[22:58] <tgBot> mateosalta was added by: mateosalta
 Soo Yooboontoo or ooboontoo
 haha I go to sleep now
 The Y is optional but not recommended
 :P
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/rVHnxIs4/file_312.webp
 http://www.memidex.com/ubuntu
 @UniversalSuperBox, correct.  that's for the selfish OS release "Youbuntu"  We don't do selfish here so it's ooo
 Ask Desmond Tutu or Mark Shuttleworth. I think they are related to Ubuntu or something.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Actually it wasn't. That's a concept from a community member.
 This is the original proposal: https://www.behance.net/gallery/29848255/Ubuntu-Touch-Vibrant-Venice
 #audiocastfeedback (Yeah, that's new, deal with it @wayneoutthere) … F-Droid, the open-source app store for Android, has the beginnings of the education that you talk about in this week's episode. Some apps have a heading that alerts you of possible "Antifeatures" in the app, such as using non-Free network services or non-Free source code. It's not hard to imagine this being extended with more anti-features, such as "Uses your habits to ma
[23:50] <tgBot> you"
 @Lorxu, I agree


[00:12] <wxl> anyone know how to edit the rightclick menu?
[05:35] <Guest11258> hello
[05:36] <Guest11258> i installed lubuntu but if i want to enter in audio panel i have this message: Error, you need to install a application to configure the sound (pavucontol, alsamixer ...)
[05:36] <Guest11258> what do i do?
[05:40] <Unit193> Audio panel?  Seems you have pulse, if you don't really have a reason too, may as well remove it.  Also, open a terminal and type  `alsamixer`
[05:42] <Guest11258> ok i open alsamixer
[05:46] <Guest11258> now, what do i do?
[07:24] <shahan> update problem on lubuntu 12.04
[07:25] <shahan> I am trying to install the updates after downloading. After downloading 130MB of updates... now its saying to check my internet connection because its becoming failed to download a 9KB file
[08:34] <Guest95450> Lubuntu is not shutting down properly ! I could still see the power light on. What should I do ?
[08:36] <bioterror> blame acpi or something
[08:37] <Guest95450> This happens frequently when ever I press the shutdown button
[08:38] <Guest95450> How to identify and rectify the problem ?
[08:52] <lamogo> Hello, I'm looking for a quick answer to my question in a setting in Lubuntu.
[08:52] <lamogo> Is this the right place?
[08:53] <bioterror> might be
[08:54] <lamogo> I was formerly using chromium-browser and had it set-up to open on a specific desktop, I changed to firefox and when changed that setting in the XML file firefox doesn't load on the proper desktop but the main instead.
[08:55] <ram19890> How to fix the improper shutdown in my lubuntu ?
[08:56] <lamogo> My setting in lubuntu-rc.xml is
[08:56] <lamogo> 	<application name=firefox>
[08:56] <lamogo> 	    <desktop>3</desktop>
[08:56] <lamogo> 	    <maximized>true</maximized>
[08:56] <lamogo> 	</application>
[08:58] <lamogo> ram19890 what is the problem when it shuts down?
[08:59] <ram19890> It shows only the blue power light , the screen is off
[09:00] <ram19890> I could still hear the fan sound , in my laptop
[09:03] <lamogo> Is the power light blinking or consistent?
[09:03] <Unit193> lamogo: Don't remember how that works exactly, but could be because firefox is running from /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[09:05] <ram19890> Consistent
[09:09] <lamogo> ah ok. Thanks Unit193. I had tried "/usr/bin/firefox" before as well. Let me try that.
[09:10] <lamogo> ram19890 which method are you using to shutdown? Are you using the "shutdown/logout" buttons that bring up a context menu with different options?
[09:11] <ram19890> I am been get the same issue from the last 4 versions of lubuntu
[09:11] <lamogo> Have you tried from a terminal using the "shutdown -h 0" as root?
[09:12] <ram19890> Yes I use the normal shutdown/logout, exactly the same!
[09:13] <lamogo> Have you googled this problem with your specific computer model?
[09:14] <ram19890> Well, i search google and I visited the askubuntu, i followed the instructions , still i am getting the issue
[09:15] <ram19890> I am having Dell Vostro 1500
[09:15] <lamogo> Which instructions did you follow? Is there a link?
[09:17] <ram19890> http://askubuntu.com/questions/125844/shutdown-does-not-power-off-computer
[09:20] <lamogo> ram19890 looks like it might be a bug. Have you tried the command "sudo poweroff"?
[09:21] <ram19890> I had tried that it will work!
[09:22] <lamogo> ok, what about changing the grub options, have you tried that?
[09:23] <Oe_eden> I was wondering why when I boot a live cd my windows partitions are automatically mounted and accessable but after the (lubuntu) install I have to enter the (windows) password to access the partitions
[09:26] <ram19890> I usually set my default section to windows, but after the update the setting will change back to the lubuntu. Even though I change the setting , i am geetin this issue, from the last 4 versions
[09:30] <lamogo> ok, so if you change the grub config the computer shuts down properly, but the main boot device changes from your windows partition to lubuntu?
[09:34] <ram_> Right,After an update
[09:36] <lamogo> ok so looks like you have some options. Do you ever use the other options on the shutdown menu other than "shutdown"?
[09:39] <ram_> Ok , i am not sure , i will try both and will report it
[09:51] <Guest96989> Sudo poweroff works but not the shutdown -h now !
[09:51] <Guest96989> From ram_
[09:55] <lamogo> I'd recommend changing the grub config file and if updating grub decides to boot to lubuntu you can change the default OS again to windows following this link.
[09:55] <lamogo> help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS
[09:58] <lamogo> You could also change what command LXDE runs when clicking the power button on the screen to "sudo poweroff" If you do that you'll need to changed the settings in visudo so that "poweroff" could run with sudo privlages without entering a password.
[09:58] <lamogo> Hope that helps.
[09:59] <Guest96989> menu.lst is not there in the grub
[10:00] <lamogo> menu.lst is kept in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:01] <Guest96989> Thats right , its not there !
[10:03] <Guest96989> How could I be missing one important file and is still working ?
[10:04] <lamogo> I don't have it either so don't panic. Have a look at this post. http://askubuntu.com/questions/110333/help-editing-grub-on-ubuntu-12-04
[10:18] <Guest96989> Boot repair Updating
[10:22] <Guest96989> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1124953/
[10:36] <Guest73925> It worked
[10:36] <Guest73925> What was the problem ?
[10:38] <Guest73925> From Ram_
[11:20] <zleap> hi
[11:20] <Gosy> mornin
[11:21] <zleap> hows you
[11:21] <zleap> back laster
[11:28] <bootini> top o' the mornin to ya !
[11:29] <zleap> :0
[11:29]  * zleap may go away from keyboard suddenly for food
[11:29] <zleap> so what have people been up to
[11:30] <bioterror> zleap, you should come to #lubuntu-offtopic for talking ;)
[11:36] <Gosy> lyl :)
[11:39] <Gosy> wow this guide on how to setup a shared network map on samba wasn't easy at all,
[11:39] <Gosy> some of the stuff on the guide which is windows based is even hard to understand
[11:39] <Gosy> or im beeing plain dukb
[11:39] <Gosy> dumb
[11:51] <zleap> ok
[11:52] <Gosy> is there any good app for remote controlling into lubuntu
[11:52] <zleap> like ssh
[11:52] <zleap> that will let you connect and do thngs remotely
[11:52] <bioterror> vnc
[11:52] <zleap> ssh = secure shell
[11:53] <zleap> Gosy, what exactly do you want to do ?
[11:54] <Gosy> like rdp in windows
[11:54] <Gosy> i wanna get into my lubuntu like rdp
[11:54] <zleap> remote desktop
[11:54] <zleap> i am working on this atm,  slowly on my PI so i can control remotely so still learning
[11:55] <Gosy> you wrote that ?
[11:56] <zleap> no i am working on getting remote access working
[11:56] <zleap> so i can't really help you that much, as I am still learning stuff
[12:21] <Gosy> oh ok, got it
[12:26] <zleap> :)
[13:24] <tomzon> hello i have lenovo thinkpad e530 with 16gb ssd drive and 750gb normal drive .. how i should partition the system for lubuntu ?
[13:27] <Hirsch> tomzon: dualboot?
[13:28] <tomzon> no just linux
[13:28] <Hirsch> put linux on the ssd
[13:28] <Hirsch> and programs
[13:28] <Hirsch> and /home/ on the other hdd
[13:28] <tomzon> thanks :)
[13:31] <tomzon> currently just testing it to see if the fingerprint reader and hybrid graphics works
[13:31] <tomzon> and they work just fine hehe
[15:42] <Gosy> guys
[15:42] <Gosy> how do put the terminal as a shortcut icon on the taskbar
[15:43] <Gosy> quick access
[15:52] <Gosy> whenever im installing a package via terminal i allways get "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg retunred an error code (1)"
[15:52] <Gosy> could anyone explain what that really means
[18:04] <Gosy> hey guys
[18:04] <bioterror> tjenare!
[18:07] <wxl> Gosy: you get your apt working yet?
[18:07] <Gosy> nope :\
[18:07] <Gosy> i mean yes
[18:07] <wxl> so what's your problem now? XD
[18:07] <Gosy> still haven't been able to conf my samba
[18:07] <Gosy> i have an problem here tho
[18:08] <Gosy> how do i edit in terminal?
[18:08] <Gosy> like i do
[18:09] <Gosy> sudo vi- /etc/samba/smb.conf
[18:09] <Gosy> but i can't do any changes :|
[18:09] <wxl> -?
[18:09] <Gosy> said like that on tutorial
[18:09] <wxl> could you link me to that because that's an error
[18:09] <Gosy> watching a youtube one
[18:10] <wxl> you might try nano instead of "vi-"
[18:10] <Gosy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwMXIBzHtxg&feature=relmfu
[18:10] <wxl> it's much easier for the average person to work with
[18:10] <Gosy> im a total noob at linux mate haha
[18:10] <wxl> i can't do much about the video. thought it was on the wiki
[18:10] <Gosy> i have no clue what im doing
[18:10] <Gosy> http://www.google.se/imgres?um=1&hl=sv&sa=N&biw=1623&bih=889&tbm=isch&tbnid=k16XQqbPnvY9JM:&imgrefurl=http://science.memebase.com/tag/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing/&docid=yq6llWXynz-U9M&imgurl=http://chzscience.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/funny-science-news-experiments-memes-dog-science-fuzzy-logic.jpg&w=500&h=282&ei=n8IaUO6nKcn34QSS9IGwAw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=225&sig=103805856345013206132&page
[18:10] <Gosy> =1&tbnh=121&tbnw=215&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:80&tx=87&ty=42
[18:10] <wxl> SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
[18:11] <wxl> do this:
[18:11] <wxl> 1. hit alt-f2
[18:11] <wxl> 2. in the run dialog type: "gksudo leafpad /etc/samba/smb.conf"
[18:11] <wxl> 3. hit enter or ok or whatever
[18:11] <wxl> 4. enter your password
[18:11] <Gosy> thanks
[18:11] <wxl> 5. edit graphically
[18:11] <wxl> way easier
[18:12] <Gosy> what does gksudo stand for
[18:12] <Gosy> and how do i exit a "text" file in terminal without F* it up
[18:12] <bioterror> Gosy, what's wrong with the samba?
[18:12] <wxl> gksudo is graphical sudo
[18:12] <Gosy> bioterror : nothing mate. Just me being a total noob
[18:12] <bioterror> and what you want your samba to do?
[18:12] <Gosy> I just want to share a folder on my network
[18:13] <bioterror> without permissions?
[18:13] <Gosy> so i can put stuff in there on my main pc
[18:13] <Gosy> no, this is for home use
[18:13] <bioterror> it should share it without asking users?
[18:13] <Gosy> on this specific map, yes
[18:14] <Gosy> FOLDER
[18:14] <Gosy> not map
[18:14] <bioterror> so you want like: \\ip.add.re.ss\share\ and it just shows the stuff without username and password?
[18:14] <Gosy> Yeah if possible
[18:14] <wxl> Gosy: also if you prefer to do your editing in the terminal try "sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf" you can use vi but if you've never used it, iw ouldn't recommend it. steep learning curve and not user friendly
[18:15] <Gosy> But i want in the same network group as my other windows pc's
[18:15] <Gosy> thanks wxl, helpfull
[18:16] <bioterror> Gosy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1125637/
[18:16] <bioterror> replace sad157 with your username
[18:16] <bioterror> and add that to the end of your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[18:17] <Gosy> force user :sad137?
[18:17] <Gosy> sad157*
[18:17] <Gosy> ah ok
[18:17] <bioterror> Gosy, when you configure your samba, you should notice that you want to add that workgroup correct ;)
[18:17] <bioterror> it's top of the smb.conf that workgroup section
[18:17] <Gosy> path is also wrong
[18:17] <Oe_eden> are there any known keyboard shortcuts in lubuntu when I type fast I tend to make a lot of mistakes and things happen :)
[18:17] <Gosy> bioterror : yeah, did that already
[18:18] <bioterror> Gosy, sudo service samba restart
[18:18] <wxl> Oe_eden: yes.
[18:19] <bioterror> Gosy, if that doesnt work
[18:19] <bioterror> you should then do following: smbpasswd -a username
[18:19] <bioterror> add that users username and give it a password, which home folder you're trying to share
[18:19] <Oe_eden> wxl: allright! thx
[18:20] <wxl> Oe_eden: do you want to knwo what they all are? you can disable any or all of them if you like.
[18:20] <Oe_eden> wxl,  this helps I guess http://d.hatena.ne.jp/masami256/20110824/1314115532
[18:21] <bioterror> Oe_eden, ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml has all the shortcuts
[18:21] <wxl> Oe_eden: what he said ↑
[18:21] <bioterror> you can modify them from there to suit you better
[18:21] <wxl> Oe_eden: and by editing that you change the configuration
[18:21] <Oe_eden> but also selecting a tab in chromium & 2 finger scrolling will scroll trough the tabs -> this is new for me :)
[18:21] <wxl> that is weird!
[18:21] <wxl> that's a chromium thing
[18:22] <wxl> and only if the mouse is on top of the tabs
[18:22] <Oe_eden> yes
[18:22] <Oe_eden> not a feature but a bug ?
[18:22] <wxl> no, a strange feature
[18:22] <Oe_eden> its actually handy :)
[18:22] <wxl> i'm not too fond of it but it's fine
[18:23] <Oe_eden> but my problem is more with window tabbing
[18:23] <Oe_eden> i can be typing here and bam im in my terminal
[18:23] <Oe_eden> might be my crooked fingers though ;)
[18:23] <wxl> ctrl-alt-t
[18:23] <Oe_eden> ctrl-tab I use
[18:24] <Oe_eden> for windows switching
[18:24] <wxl> so do i
[18:24] <wxl> of course t and tab are no where near one another
[18:24] <Oe_eden> but for some reason I sometimes get tabbed to a different window
[18:24] <Gosy> How do i change workgroup on lubuntu by the way?
[18:24] <bioterror> Gosy, from the smb.conf
[18:24] <Gosy> ah sweet
[18:24] <Gosy> done that then
[18:24] <Oe_eden> but it's fine
[18:26] <Oe_eden> btw apt-cache search has a whole lot more packages than the lubuntu software center: this is because only lubuntu optimized packages are in software center?
[18:26] <Oe_eden> apt > synaptic > lubuntu software center
[18:26] <Oe_eden> synaptic = apt
[18:27] <wxl> pretty much yeah Oe_eden
[18:27] <Oe_eden> ok but its also pretty 'messy'
[18:28] <Oe_eden> because if you search for xchat there a 2
[18:28] <Oe_eden> are
[18:28] <wxl> you can try to figure things out by searching packages.ubuntu.com
[18:28] <wxl> or coupling it with apt-cache info
[18:28] <Oe_eden> Im used to apt-cache
[18:29] <wxl> i mean synaptic/lsc pulls it all from the same place
[18:29] <Oe_eden> yes
[18:29] <wxl> all of those things (even aptitude) are really nothing more than front ends to apt
[18:29] <wxl> which is why i don't bother with anything but apt
[18:29] <Oe_eden> yes
[18:30] <Oe_eden> btw any good (web) fonts that you guys use?
[18:32] <Gosy> can't find
[18:32] <Gosy> my linux share now on my pc
[18:32] <bioterror> Gosy, try \\ip.address.sss\
[18:34] <Oe_eden> the kerning in ubuntu (linux distros) always looks a bit 'off'
[18:35] <Gosy> lol
[18:35] <Gosy> my inet addr : <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:35] <Gosy> :S
[18:35] <Gosy> think i have to reboot
[18:38] <Phiscribe> yeah fonts seem lagging behind in unicies
[18:40] <Gosy> bioterror : awseom
[18:40] <Gosy> works now
[18:42] <bioterror> good
[18:44] <Gosy> ho
[18:44] <Gosy> tho
[18:44] <Gosy> it seems
[18:44] <Gosy> i forgott to give any permission
[18:44] <Gosy> lol
[18:44] <Gosy> :\
[22:59] <Gosy> having issues with samba again
[22:59] <Gosy> for some reasons
[22:59] <Gosy> my configs doesn't work anymore :\


[05:04] <average> any ops ?
[05:05] <IdleOne> yes, how may I help you?
[05:06] <average> IdleOne: some dude got butthurt yesterday because I told him his mom was the answer
[05:06] <average> and so I got banned from #ubuntu
[05:06] <average> I don't even see that as a huge insult..
[05:06] <average> but whatever
[05:06] <average> came here to get unbanned
[05:06] <average> is that possible ?
[05:08] <average> IdleOne: ^^
[05:08] <average> well, I've waited.. I'm gonna leave now
[05:09] <IdleOne> ok.
[05:09] <IdleOne> The answer is no.
[05:10] <IdleOne> @comment 58771 user less than helpful, has a poor attitude, not willing to tait more then a minute for a response from ops...
[05:10] <IdleOne> that should be wait :/
[09:10] <Someus> Hi i want to be unbanned
[09:11] <Someus> Hello?
[09:11] <IdleOne> No.
[09:11] <Someus> Why?
[09:11] <Someus> I will need help for ubuntu
[09:12] <Someus> I wished merry christmas and got banned
[09:12] <IdleOne> No, you said that you didn't care if you were breaking the rules.
[09:13] <DJones> Someus: You were asked to stop that multiple times and move comments to #ubuntu-offtopic but you continued
[09:13] <Someus> Well i wished poeple good
[09:13] <Someus> I didnt brake rules
[09:13] <DJones> Someus: #ubuntu is a support channel and its rules include staying ontopic (which is support issues)
[09:14] <Someus> How does it harm anyone?
[09:14] <DJones> Someus: You are quite welcome to wish people happy christmas in #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:15] <DJones> Someus: It disrupts peoples questions and responses, somebody could miss an important reply causing them to do something wrong, thats why offtopic comments are kept out of #ubuntu
[09:15] <Someus> Well was i that harmful?
[09:17] <Someus> I guess you are so offended that you wont unban me for long right?
[09:17] <Tm_T> Someus: I believe DJones explained very well what rule you did break and how, could you please think of that for a second?
[09:17] <DJones> Its not whether an individual is harmful, its channel policy, you haven't been banned from #ubuntu, only removed, you are welcome to rejoin for support issues, however if you continue to go offtopic, it is likely to result in a ban
[09:17] <Someus> but why you dont relax?
[09:17] <DJones> Someus: Just please keep greetings and good wishes to the offtopic channel
[09:18] <Someus> Use your logical abilities
[09:18] <Someus> Be humanlike
[09:18] <Someus> Please mr. administrator.
[09:19] <DJones> Someus: If you want to continue in this way, I'm quite happy to change the removal (which allows you to return to the channel) into a ban
[09:19] <Someus> no i dont
[09:19] <Someus> Because i will need ubuntu support
[09:20] <Someus> Whole my life i break the rules
[09:20] <Someus> And in whole my life ive seen no other perfect person
[09:21] <Someus> Just relax
[09:22] <DJones> Someus: Please read the channel guidelines before you rejoin, you should be able to rejoin now
[09:22] <DJones> !guidelines
[09:22] <DJones> !coc
[09:22] <DJones> Someus: As long as you stay on topic, you won't have any issues
[09:23] <Someus> Can i wish you a merry christmas?
[09:23] <DJones> As long as its once and not repeated multiple times
[09:23] <Someus> Ok. Merry Christmas and I bless you and your family in mighty name of Jesus.


[21:55]  * tsimonq2 tries a fix for bug 2000787
[21:55] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 2000787 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Live system cannot leave 'Lock Screen' when selected from menu" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2000787
[22:06] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: If you figure it out, let me know. Ubuntu Studio (and presumably Kubuntu) is affected by a similar issue with the newest Plasma.
[22:10] <wxl> crazy idea: what if we used a non-null password, say same as the user ID?
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> wxl: That's the problem: it is non-null.
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: If you think you have an idea, I'll hold off. I'll throw you some interesting-looking code.
[22:10] <wxl> huh, i thought it was blank?
[22:10] <tsimonq2> Yeah, it *is* blank. Eickmeyer has it backwards ;)
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> It's null-hashed.
[22:11]  * tsimonq2 thinks?
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> xscreensaver (and Plasma) sees it as a hashed password of "".
[22:11] <wxl> right. so that's what i'm saying. we use an actual password.
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> I think that would require modifying casper?
[22:12] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: That stupidly-long Telegram message I just sent you has relevant code that should already fix this for KDE, but could very well be ancient.
[22:12] <tsimonq2> I already have a local fix for the screensaver issue, I'm less interested in changing password behavior to be non-standard without consulting with Foundations first (see: advice and consent)
[22:13] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that obviously doesn't work anymore. Probably KDE 4 related, and definitely doesn't work.
[22:13] <wxl> "I noticed that the live Lunar Ubuntu Desktop (standard Ubuntu) arrives at a page that prompts to enter user name and password, in other words, there is not longer a standard user with a blank password."
[22:13] <wxl> ^ sounds like password behavior has already changed?
[22:14] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: If you give me some code before I go for beer in an hour, I'll include it in my upload :P
[22:14] <tsimonq2> Re: password behavior itself, no idea.
[22:15] <tsimonq2> I am inclined to agree that we should address the root cause, not the symptom... that being said the fix I have is pretty easy. Two rm lines, removing the xscreensaver autostart and the Lock Screen menu entry from the live session.
[22:16] <tsimonq2> So, the only issue I'm really seeing with that solution is Suspend shows a somewhat interesting error about, well, having no lock screen. :P
[22:16] <tsimonq2> In a perfect world filled with unicorns and rainbows, we'd suppress that message too.
[22:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: As always, you play a pretty good Devil's Advocate, so let me hear it XD
[22:19] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: There's no way I can do that, sadly. The only thing I can think of is to change the defaults in ubuntustudio-live-settings to inject a default to disable the lock screen, but I think I'm done for the week.
 I'll have a beer for you ;)
 you still owe me a case :P (re @tsimonq2: I'll have a beer for you ;))
 does a keg work? :P (re @teward001: you still owe me a case :P)
 Imagine bringing a keg on the airplane to Riga.
 I wouldn't bring it on the plane, but customs would sure look at me weird. :P
 "What's that?" "Imported beer." 👀
 "Imported from where?!?" "From my backyard 😎"
 hah
[22:39] <tsimonq2> @arraybolt3: Question for you... where did you keep that prototype of the new Lubuntu.me?
[22:40] <tsimonq2> @arraybolt3: I know you can't see it anymore but we've been swearing at WP for about the past week ;)
[22:40] <tsimonq2> No worries, if you could try to find it I'd be grateful, if you only have the mockups or anything, that'd be cool too
[22:40] <tsimonq2> I know, I asked a little late, that's my bad :)
[22:43] <tsimonq2> Sweet. Thanks! (And a re-creation would be totally amazing too ;) ;) )
 @tsimonq2 I've got code for you which I'll be pushing to casper as a MR. Identical to Kubuntu's code except s/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntustudio (and tested) but in the changelog, should I be piggybacking on your bug 2000787?
[23:09] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Bug 2000787 in casper (Ubuntu) "Live system cannot leave 'Lock Screen' when selected from menu" [Medium, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2000787
 Must be beer o'clock for Simon.
 Dear @tsimonq2 ,

 https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/casper/+git/casper-1/+merge/452485

 Sincerely,
 Me
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> Oof, unintentional multi-line paste. >.<
 i sent Simon into the salt mines he'll be back in 5 days :P
 Sounds good, he probably needs the workout. (re @teward001: i sent Simon into the salt mines he'll be back in 5 days :P)
 hah
 Path haz no dash? (re @Eickmeyer: Dear @tsimonq2 ,

 https://code.launchpad.net/~eeickmeyer/casper/+git/casper-1/+merge/452485

 Sincerely,
 Me)
 Also for flavor in ubuntustudio kubuntu
 hahahahaha (re @Eickmeyer: Sounds good, he probably needs the workout.)
 do you even lift bro?
 Correct, path has no dash. It's actually s/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntustudio. ubuntustudio all one word, for legacy reasons. One of my predecessors thought it should be one word. (re @tsimonq2: Path haz no dash?)
 10-4
 Do you own a 70-lb husky? Those things will pull you. How do you fix that? You pull back. Do I lift? I don't need to lift, I own a husky. (re @tsimonq2: do you even lift bro?)
 Nah, but I have a 100 lb Great Dane 😎 (re @Eickmeyer: Do you own a 70-lb husky? Those things will pull you. How do you fix that? You pull back. Do I lift? I don't need to lift, I own a husky.)


[05:49] <sabotage> :q
[09:34] <rperier> Hey, could someone merge https://code.launchpad.net/~rperier/unity/unity/+merge/143961 ?
[09:36] <sil2100> rperier: let me take a look
[09:37] <sil2100> rperier: oh, could you also set the commit message for the merge?
[09:38] <sil2100> rperier: this will be the message that will be essentially used when the branch gets approved
[09:39] <rperier> I did not set a commit message already ?
[09:39] <sil2100> rperier: no - there are actually two things, you have set the 'description of change'
[09:39] <sil2100> rperier: this thing is for explaining in detail what your branch does
[09:40] <sil2100> Besides this, you can click on "set commit message" and paste there the string that you want to be in trunk after this gets merged ;)
[09:40] <rperier> ohhh directly from LP ?
[09:40] <rperier> it rocks :D
[09:40] <sil2100> Also, what we can do to make this merge more interesting is linking it to a bug
[09:40] <rperier> mhhh I understand, ok
[09:40] <sil2100> rperier: yes, since your branch can have more than one commits in it that you want to merge
[09:41] <rperier> nice :)
[09:41] <sil2100> rperier: I think #1086276 could be linked to your branch, right?
[09:41] <sil2100> LP: #1086276
[09:42] <sil2100> rperier: once you add a commit message and link the right bug to the branch, I'll approve it globally and LP will merge it automatically
[09:43] <sil2100> rperier: when we link a branch to a bug and the branch gets merged, LP will automatically add a 'Fixes #bugnumber' to the commit message
[09:43] <sil2100> rperier: which helps in having it all sorted up
[09:45] <rperier> sil2100: yeah 1086276 is the right bug
[09:45] <rperier> mhhh LP does a lot of interesting things for us :)
[09:48] <rye> Hi, me again. I have connected my laptop (Intel HD 3000) to an external display (1920x1080) and (as I originally complained) dash blurred fading in current raring starts being uncomfortable (bug 1099787). But now I am trying to use previews in the fullscreen dash and the animation for shifting the rows, drawing the overlay, showing some content takes 3 seconds to complete (and feels reeeaaallly slow. In "restored" state - less than 1) - is it known or
[09:48] <rye>  that's for another bug report. I am fairly sure that the amount of animation done does not change but it feels like it struggles redrawing full screen.
[09:49] <rperier> I don't understand how to link a bug to this merge request :\
[09:50] <sil2100> rperier: you can do it in two ways
[09:51] <sil2100> rperier: you can either do it through the bug, e.g. go into the bug and click 'Link a related branch'
[09:51] <sil2100> rperier: or you can open your branch (not the merge request, but the page for your branch) and click 'Link a bug report' ;)
[09:52] <rperier> mhhh I see
[09:52] <rperier> thanks for these details , looking
[09:54] <rperier> sil2100: done
[10:03] <sil2100> rperier: approved, thanks!
[10:21] <rperier> sil2100: thanks !!
[10:28] <didrocks> hey mmrazik, good flight back?
[10:32] <MCR1> didrocks: Hi :) I've set a few Severity Compiz bug reports to invalid - they were correctly reporting possible divisions by zero, but CCSM already protected these variables from not becoming 0...
[10:33] <MCR1> didrocks: But I guess Severity will continue to report them, so I am not sure if it was the ideal solution
[10:33] <MCR1> *Coverity
[10:33] <MCR1> not Severity :)
[10:33] <didrocks> MCR1: not really sure, I think tedg and mmrazik are more up to date than I was ever be on the binding reporting the bugs :)
[10:33] <didrocks> MCR1: so maybe check with them before invalidating?
[10:35] <MCR1> mmrazik, was this the right decision or should we better fix those in another way ? ^^
[10:35] <MCR1> didrocks, thx 4 the fast answer :)
[10:35] <didrocks> MCR1: yw ;)
[10:36] <MCR1> The coverity reports are very useful, btw.
[10:37] <MCR1> Should improve code quality massively once all of them are fixed...
[10:40] <MCR1> I guess Unity/nux could use such Coverity reports as well, guess those are planned ?
[10:57] <rperier> sil2100: mhhh so it's approved by the unity team and pushed into lp:unity by a jenkins bot ?
[11:00] <sil2100> rperier: it should get auto-merged pretty soon
[11:01] <sil2100> rperier: actually, normally it should have been merged already, but maybe the merging queue is full? Or something is broken? We'll see in a while
[11:04] <didrocks> sil2100: there is a compiz branch not merging as well
[11:04] <didrocks> approved since 7am
[11:04] <didrocks> hence my ping to mmrazik, but he seems not being around
[11:06] <MCR1> sampo555 fixed a very important grid bug on the weekend, btw
[11:06] <MCR1> grid is starting to get usable now :)
[11:06] <sil2100> didrocks: oh, ok, then something indeed is broken
[11:06] <sil2100> mmrazik: 2x ping
[11:08] <mmrazik> srry guys
[11:08] <mmrazik> looking on the compiz branch
[11:08] <didrocks> sil2100: waow, a 2x ping is more powerful than a 1x ping it seems! :-)
[11:08] <mmrazik> for some reason all connections to launchpad were stuck this morning
[11:08] <MCR1> hehe
[11:08] <mmrazik> didrocks: I've seen the first one but it didn't seem to be urgent ;)
[11:08] <mmrazik> 2x does indeed sound more urgent :)
[11:09] <mmrazik> MCR1: I'll come back to you with the coverity stuff later but it should be fine to close as wontfix.
[11:09] <mmrazik> I'm just wondering if there is a way in coverity to avoid reporting such issues and whitelist them
[11:09] <MCR1> mmrazik: that would indeed be cool
[11:10] <MCR1> as otherwise they will come back probably ;)
[11:10] <rperier> sil2100: It was just a question to know the way it works usually :)
[11:10] <rperier> there's no hurry :)
[11:10] <MCR1> but ofc those division by zero ones could be fixed in Compiz also, but as I said those values are already protected by the xml.in definitions
[11:11] <didrocks> mmrazik: ahah :)
[11:11] <didrocks> mmrazik: well, it needs to be merged before noon UTC
[11:11] <didrocks> mmrazik: as long as it's dealt today, it's fine :)
[11:11] <MCR1> mmrazik: and there might be a lot of other false positives, so it would be cool if we could mark them as such once and for all
[11:12] <mmrazik> MCR1: yeah.. there is a way. I just need to talk with alesage who knows more about how this sort of stuff is done.
[11:12] <mmrazik> MCR1: and I just realized there are public holidays in US today
[11:12] <mmrazik> MCR1: so I guess I'll just drop him an e-mail and ping you tomorrow-ish
[11:12] <MCR1> ok, cool - no hurry -> just a thought of optimization ;)
[11:14] <mmrazik> didrocks: btw. is there really a stalled branch?
[11:14] <mmrazik> I don't see anything
[11:14] <MCR1> mmrazik: Last q: will unity also get under Coverity testing ?
[11:15] <mmrazik> MCR1: ack. Its in the process. We need some help from coverity helpdesk.
[11:15] <MCR1> cool
[11:15] <mmrazik> sometimes its tricky to get anything out of coverity :-/
[11:15] <MCR1> +1
[11:15] <MCR1> the info extracted seems quite useful though ;)
[11:16] <didrocks> mmrazik: well, not movement from 6h, right?
[11:16] <didrocks> 5h
[11:16] <didrocks> I meant
[11:16] <mmrazik> didrocks: still don't see anything.
[11:17] <mmrazik> didrocks: it was probably stuck due to the launchpad network issue in the morning
[11:17] <mmrazik> and then it takes ~3h to build on arm...
[11:17] <didrocks> ok
[11:17] <didrocks> let's see then
[11:19] <mmrazik> didrocks: but I still don't see any branch waiting to be merged for compiz
[11:19] <mmrazik> didrocks: do you refer to a specific MP?
[11:19] <didrocks> one sec
[11:20] <didrocks> mmrazik: just finished to merge 10 minutes ago, and just got the email
[11:20] <mmrazik> ok
[11:20] <mmrazik> sil2100: pong btw
[11:20] <didrocks> mmrazik: so everything's fine here, was just long, probably due to this launchpad hickup
[11:20] <didrocks> thanks for checking
[11:22] <mmrazik> didrocks: yeah... srry for that.
[11:25] <didrocks> no worry ;)
[11:26] <sil2100> mmrazik: ;)
[11:26] <sil2100> rperier: merged \o/
[13:09] <rye> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1055126 , ok, known
[13:15] <rperier> I think bug 692444 is a good candidate for the next bug, what do you think ?
[13:15] <rperier> (it's tagged bitesize)
[13:44] <sil2100> rperier: so it seems, but hm, not sure if it will be as easy as it seems ;)
[13:51] <rperier> I could try, no ? what do you think ? except if this bug is really hard to fix for a beginner... :)
[13:52] <sil2100> rperier: you could look into it, I think it could be done with some workaround quite easily
[13:52] <sil2100> (I hope so at least!)
[13:53] <rperier> I will do my best  :)
[17:08] <rperier> sil2100: If I want to focus a specific window (which is already opened) I need to use bamf or there is a module in unity for this case ?
[17:50] <sil2100> rperier: I think bamf is the safest bet
[17:51] <sil2100> rperier: since in the case of the trash, it's a bit more complicated
[17:51] <sil2100> rperier: you can ask the launcher about the running applications as well, but when the trash is started, it's acutally identified as a normal nautilus window
[17:52] <rperier> mhhh I see
[17:53] <rperier> so focus the trash might focus "Documents" for example...
[17:53] <rperier> it's not possible to detect the title of the window or its location or something ... ?
[17:58] <sil2100> rperier: depends on what exactly you need - each running application in unity, which has an ApplicationWindow assigned has the title() property which can be used in a way
[20:52] <davidcalle> mhr3, just so you now, I've fixed the deprecated API issue by pushing a new branch, based on OpenWeatherMap.
[21:04] <jouzu> Hey, does anyone here know if there's some kind of petition to remove unity or something similar?
[21:14] <mhr3> davidcalle, thanks


[12:19] <flaf> Hi @all. In fact, this is not a bug of upstart above but a bug of "mountall" used by upstart to mount filesystems in fstab. I have made a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/1588594
[16:53] <frew> if I wanted to set an envvar for all services (as opposed to having to put env FOO=1 in each one) is there a way to do that?
[16:55] <chras> not without implementing it yourself in some form, like doing an environment file that you source, or passing or when you run initctl start $job KEY=VAL
[16:55] <frew> ok.
[16:55] <frew> oh well.
[16:55] <frew> would be nice
[16:56] <chras> but there isnt like a global default environment thing
[16:56] <frew> right.
[16:56] <chras> that aim aware of
[16:56] <AnrDaemon> frew: Can you tell us, why you want to do that?
[16:56] <frew> sure
[16:56] <frew> we want our services use /mnt/tmp instead of /tmp
[16:56] <frew> setting TMPDIR to that is sufficient
[16:56] <AnrDaemon> Fail.
[16:56] <frew> but doing that in every unit sucks
[16:56] <AnrDaemon> Mount /tmp where you want it, problem solved.
[16:57] <chras> well
[16:57] <frew> have you done this before AnrDaemon?
[16:57] <AnrDaemon> http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/fhs.shtml
[16:57] <frew> because some early boot stuff uses tmp
[16:57] <AnrDaemon> Nothing critical, to my knowledge.
[16:57] <frew> so you haven't done it then.
[16:58] <frew> "Fail."
[16:58] <frew> :P
[16:58] <AnrDaemon> And if it uses /tmp before / is mounted, well, what can i say?
[16:58] <chras> frew: is it your desire to have your TMPDIR be somewhere other then temp, for everything?
[16:58] <frew> chras: well, of course it gets worse
[16:58] <chras> like i would be cautious about doing that
[16:58] <frew> chras: I was wanting it to be somemthing some units would opt out of
[16:59] <chras> i think its a little safer / cleaner to just set your TMPDIR per application/service
[16:59] <frew> so like, ssh I'd manually set TMPDIR back to /tmp
[16:59] <frew> yeah
[16:59] <frew> for sure safer
[16:59] <AnrDaemon> Overcomplication. Maintenance headache.
[16:59] <frew> a non-trivial amount of things need tmp to be on the same partition as root
[16:59] <chras> like simply from the stance of creating unexpected behaviour
[16:59] <frew> so those would need it to be the regular /tmp
[16:59] <frew> chras: sure.
[17:00] <chras> one option you could do is
[17:00] <chras> you could have one event which spawns the other ones with initctl start ${otherjob} TMPDIR=${new_temp_dir}
[17:00] <chras> should work with emit too
[17:00] <frew> yeah I considered exactly that
[17:00] <AnrDaemon> frew: What I see from here is that you're solving problem with wrong tools. If you want isolation, get LXC or Docker, or what else suits your needs.
[17:00] <frew> sounds a little rube goldberg-y for this kind of thing
[17:00] <chras> iirc initctl emit start_all_my_junk TMPDIR=${tmpdir}
[17:00] <chras> should work
[17:00] <frew> right
[17:00] <frew> yeah maybe
[17:00] <chras> adn then all your other things can just start on start_all_my_junk
[17:00] <frew> right.
[17:01] <frew> chras: thanks; I'll look into doing that
[17:01] <chras> personally, i just source /etc/event.functions to get my common functions/environment/etc
[17:01] <frew> that's a good idea.
[17:01] <frew> I should just make a thing all of our stuff uses
[17:01] <chras> and my source file also includes in /etc/event.functions.d/*
[17:01] <chras> so if you need to add in extra variables in a new package/service/whatever
[17:01] <AnrDaemon> Except sourcing anything is not an option. You can't set-env if a job runs with setuid.
[17:01] <chras> it can be added without modifying existing things
[17:02] <frew> AnrDaemon: ...what are you talking about?
[17:02] <chras> AnrDaemon: why not?
[17:03] <AnrDaemon> Why not what? Why it doesn't work? I don't know.
[17:03] <frew> ugh
[17:03] <AnrDaemon> + initctl set-env USER=php-fpm
[17:03] <AnrDaemon> initctl: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[17:03] <frew> AnrDaemon: he means source in the script.
[17:04] <AnrDaemon> Sourcing is not an option. You have to set these variables to the job to exec your service.
[17:04] <frew> whatever dude
[17:05] <AnrDaemon> Else upstart will not track the right PID, or get stuck if you try and use "expect fork/daemon".
[17:05] <frew> script\n. $to_source\nexec foo\nend script # <-- look; it works ma
[17:06] <chras> AnrDaemon: i only ever do stuff with foreground processes, so thats not a concern for me
[17:06] <frew> same.
[17:06] <frew> forking is for chumps
[17:06] <AnrDaemon> That' swhat I've tried to do last week.
[17:07] <AnrDaemon> Spawning per-user FCGI daemons without using master running as root.
[17:07] <chras> but yes, it would be nice if set-env worked for all of upstart, and not just user/session jobs
[17:08] <AnrDaemon> exec /usr/sbin/php5-fpm --fpm-config="/etc/user-fcgi/$USER.conf" --pid="/run/$USER/php-fpm.pid" $INIFILE -d open_basedir="$HOME" --nodaemonize
[17:08] <frew> chras: I think if I *really* wanted to make that work, I could tell the kernel to add en env var
[17:08] <frew> chras: but I'm not gonna reboot ;)
[17:08] <chras> right
[17:08] <AnrDaemon> And every variable I need to set in instance pre-start.
[17:08] <frew> though upstart might clear the env, which is reasonable
[17:08] <AnrDaemon> It does.
[17:09] <chras> variables set in pre-start wont appear in other contexes
[17:09] <chras> only in pre-stat
[17:09] <AnrDaemon> chras: man initctl | grep -A7 set-env
[17:09] <frew> AnrDaemon: if you want to get env vars, you have to use script like I was saying.
[17:09] <frew> (from a file)
[17:09] <chras> AnrDaemon: yes, if you read the docs it says specificly, that set-env is ONLY for session / user jobs
[17:09] <AnrDaemon> And upstart will track wrong PID.
[17:09] <chras> NOT jobs managed by upstart pid=1
[17:10] <AnrDaemon> Nice suggestion, dude, I TOLD YOU that's not an option.
[17:10] <frew> gracious
[17:10] <chras> AnrDaemon: with all honesty, you need to chill out on the attitude a little
[17:10] <AnrDaemon> set-env works if job is run as root.
[17:10] <AnrDaemon> (Which counts as user job, from upstart POV)
[17:11] <chras> well i'll test this
[17:11] <AnrDaemon> I love upstart. I really do. But these caveats is what driving the bar down.
[17:12] <frew> chras: btw not sure if you are the right person to mention this to, but the link to the upstart revision control here (http://upstart.ubuntu.com/development.html) is broken.
[17:12] <AnrDaemon> It was broken for years since announcement that Debin switched to systemd.
[17:12] <AnrDaemon> Debian anyway.
[17:13] <frew> I think it just needs to be ~upstart-devel instead of ~scott
[17:14] <chras> frew: im just a user
[17:14] <chras> trying to help other people out
[17:14] <frew> gotcha
[17:14] <chras> so they dont have to drown in systemd
[17:14] <frew> hah
[17:15] <AnrDaemon> Speaking of which. May be it isn't new for you, but I just recently found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[17:15] <chras> [t] 17:15:22 root@t-nfs04a:/etc/event.d# initctl set-env TEST2=chris
[17:15] <chras> initctl: Not permissible to modify PID 1 job environment
[17:15] <AnrDaemon> Of course not.
[17:16] <AnrDaemon> But try it in a single job.
[17:16] <chras> that means set-env isnt really an option
[17:16] <AnrDaemon> You can change the JOB's environment.
[17:16] <AnrDaemon> In pre-start.
[17:16] <AnrDaemon> And then straightforward exec using these altered variables.
[17:17] <AnrDaemon> Instead of bugus scripting.
[17:17] <chras> thats just as much bogus scription
[17:17] <AnrDaemon> But then upstart will track the PID of the service itself.
[17:17] <chras> hes looking for an alternative to doing an env=SOMETHING , and you're suggesting doing an env=SOMETHING in essense
[17:17] <AnrDaemon> With no guesswork.
[17:17] <AnrDaemon> As I said, he's doing the right thing in a wrong way.
[17:18] <AnrDaemon> If he want isolation, he should use isolation tools.
[17:33] <frew> AnrDaemon: I don't think I ever said I wanted isolation.
[17:34] <AnrDaemon> No, you didn't. But your description clearly pointed to your intentions.
[17:34] <frew> eh, strain at the tea leaves if you want.
[17:35] <frew> /mnt/tmp is a sep physical disk
[17:35] <AnrDaemon> Even better.
[17:35] <chras> well, arguably tmpspace by design is supposed to be volatile
[17:35] <frew> yeah, on my laptop I set TMPDIR to /run/shm
[17:36] <AnrDaemon> I'm running a container that mounting 3 BTRFS subvols directly, that aren't mounted at all on host.
[17:36] <frew> but ofc if somethign wrote a 30G file there things would go poorly.
[17:36] <chras> right
[17:36] <AnrDaemon> Applications that write 30Gb temps usually have configuration for scratch space.
[17:37] <chras> yeah, that type of thing, especially if it needs to be persistant, should be outside of system tmp most likely
[17:41] <frew> chras: yeah I'm thinking of giant crash file type things
[22:16] <django000> Hello everyone, I am trying to write my first configuration file, but I can't figure out what runlevel means?
[22:16] <django000> Could anyone help me please?
[22:16] <django000> Thanks
[22:17] <AnrDaemon> Nothing, you shouldn't use runlevels.
[22:19] <django000> AnrDaemon: most of the examples I find online have runlevels, I am just curious about its meaning, thanks for helping out
[22:20] <AnrDaemon> It's an anciet initd concept.
[22:20] <AnrDaemon> You can easily google the full documentation. But you SHOULD NOT use runlevels. Unless you actually know what you are doing.
[22:21] <AnrDaemon> If it is a sinmple system service, "start on filesystem" should be enough. If it uses network, "start on filesystem and net-device-up IFACE != lo" would suffice majority of cases.
[22:22] <AnrDaemon> Details are in the channel title's link.
[22:23] <django000> I just want to run a python script on the background, It should be running all the time. I did some research and found out about upstart
[22:23] <AnrDaemon> Oh, and if your service uses forking to drop privileges, you better teach it to forget this bullshit and use setuid/setgid in the script itself instead.
[22:23] <django000> so yeah, I have just basic understanding for now
[22:24] <django000> reading the manual :)
[22:24] <AnrDaemon> Then it's rather straightforward.
[22:24] <AnrDaemon> Literally, no more than 5 lines of code to start a service.
[22:24] <AnrDaemon> 2 of them being informational :D
[22:25] <django000> :), uff I wish I know the other 3 lines to complete my 5
[22:26] <django000> But I am still curious, sorry
[22:26] <django000> so I think I will continue with my search
[22:29] <AnrDaemon> django000: Just a moment.
[22:33] <AnrDaemon> django000: http://pastebin.com/uqSdZZME
[22:35] <AnrDaemon> However, if you want it to run as non-root, that's going to be a little more work on the details.


[12:08] <estan> hi folks. i plan on nominating my https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octave/+bug/1583128 for a SRU, as soon as i've made a debdiff for the source package. i just want to ask if attaching a debdiff to the bug report is normal practice/OK?
[12:09] <estan> i've never done any Debian packaging, so i'm a bit new to all this :p
[12:10] <estan> the bug is a regression with the potential for data loss that crept into Octave 4.0.0, it's fixed upstream in 4.0.1 with a simple change, and my debdiff would add the upstream patch.
[12:15] <estan> sorry, i mean ask for it to be nominated (for 16.04 LTS that is).
[12:53] <estan> okay. i've attached the debdiff, so now officially asking for an SRU nomination for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/octave/+bug/1583128
[14:24] <nacc> estan: is it in yakkety?
[14:25] <nacc> estan: and attaching debdiffs to bug reports is definitely normal and expected
[14:31] <patcable> I just updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1575877 with verification results on xenial, trusty, and precise. added a debdiff for wily as well
[14:34] <estan> nacc: hi. i got help from arges in #ubuntu-release :) it's not in yakkety, so he said he'd upload to yakkety first, before doing an SRU.
[15:23] <nacc> estan: ah great!


[19:39] <andrejz> Hello!
[19:40] <andrejz> I was wondering if anyone know where can i find  openoffice presentation template with new ubuntu design


[15:00]  * MarkDude is helping Ubuntu Oregon Team to award a pass they were given. We are using random.org to draw the number. Hoping to have at least one extra Ubuntu person NOT in drawing able to watch it - this afternoon
[15:00] <MarkDude> openness
[15:59] <MarkDude> philipballew, will monitor drawing this afternoon :)
[16:00] <philipballew> apparently I am monitoring the drawing.
[16:01] <MarkDude> Looks that way philipballew
[16:02] <MarkDude> With everyone in the drawing from Oregon- I want to make sure if a leader wins- its on the up and up- and picked live - with impartial trusted people
[16:02] <MarkDude> philipballew= Jesus= Buddha= Big Lebowski
[16:02] <MarkDude> <slight overstatement>
[16:07] <philipballew> I tried San Fransisco tap water today, and could taste the chemicals.
[16:08] <akk> SJ water is apparently very clean, but it's loaded with chlorine.
[16:18] <philipballew> akk, yeah, I am not used to this, so as soon as I tried to drink it my throat got really dry, and I think it's from the chlorine or something.
[16:18] <pleia2> philipballew: huh, where are you staying?
[16:19] <pleia2> (I still filter it, but ours is quite good even right out of the tap)
[16:20] <philipballew> pleia2, some guys floor in the mission near Noisebridge.
[16:21] <philipballew> not sure what the deal is, but I pored it out, and went to macdonalds to get water from the soda fountain.
[16:22] <pleia2> philipballew: maybe just bad pipes in the house? soda fountain is probably tap water too
[16:22] <philipballew> pleia2, your changing my view of the world here!
[16:22] <pleia2> ah, maybe mcdonalds does filter their soda fountain water
[16:23] <akk> I kind of doubt it.
[16:23] <pleia2> akk: I did too, but found http://howlermunkey.hubpages.com/hub/Why-does-Diet-Coke-taste-better-at-Mcdonalds
[16:23] <darthrobot`> Title: [Why does fountain Diet Coke taste better at Mcdonalds?]
[16:23] <philipballew> In-N-Out does
[16:23] <MarkDude> philipballew, is there any project or group of folks *unwilling* to let you crash on their floor?
[16:23] <philipballew> MarkDude, None that I have found yet
[16:24] <pleia2> (and a couple other supporting documents of similar legitimacy :))
[16:24]  * MarkDude is not aware of any. Fedora people at OSCON were happy to let you use some space- you mean that dude with Jesus sandals
[16:24] <pleia2> anyway, could also just be that tap water taste varies throughout the city
[16:24] <akk> Cool, pleia2 (on the filtering). Assuming it's true. :)
[16:24]  * philipballew looks FABULOUS in the Jesus sandals.
[16:25] <akk> But I'm going with pleia2's first diagnosis of pipes. Those make a big difference.
[16:25] <philipballew> the mission is a older part of town right?
[16:25] <philipballew> at least from the looks of it, it seems that way.
[16:25] <pleia2> not sure about older, but it's more poorly maintained (not as wealthy part of the city)
[16:26] <philipballew> ah, i see. That makes sense.
[16:27] <philipballew> I have a flight early out of sfo tomorrow, so I'm gonna see how much sleep I can get sitting in an airport terminal tonight. Maybe the water there will be good.
[16:27] <pleia2> philipballew: we can do a tap water experiment, swing by later and I'll give you some non-filtered water
[16:27] <philipballew> pleia2, Sounds like a plan to me!
[16:27] <pleia2> (I am quite busy today, but I can take 20 minutes to say hello if you want to pop over :))
[16:28] <pleia2> would be nice to see you!
[16:28] <philipballew> pleia2, sure! when would a good time be?
[16:28] <philipballew> I am free all day
[16:28]  * philipballew loves seeing pleia2
[16:29] <pleia2> philipballew: could do lunch around 1:30
[16:29] <philipballew> I can do that. Want me to just pop up into your apartment for lunch or somewhere else?
[16:30] <pleia2> here is good, plenty of lunch places around
[16:31] <pleia2> just txt me when you arrive and I'll come down
[16:31] <philipballew> alright, perfect!
[16:31] <pleia2> (feel free to browse as you walk down new montgomery, I eat here every day, you can choose :))
[16:31] <philipballew> pleia2, alright, that sounds great. :)
[21:05] <akk> Hmph. The spellchecker on Ringtail has neither pangolin nor ringtail in it.
[21:40] <bkerensa> heh