[00:03] <psusi> hloeung, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/585472/comments/15
[00:08] <hloeung> psusi: unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way to report as spam. But I have hidden that comment
[01:44] <askhl_> Hi.  I'm using debuild -S -sa -k[...key...] to compile and sign a source package.  Then I upload it using dput [my ppa] [the changes file] as I have done frequently.  But suddenly it says "550 Changes file must be signed with a valid GPG signature: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')", "(7, 1, u'General error')"] : Permission denied."  This is strange because it said explicitly in the output of debuild that t
[01:44] <askhl_> Any help?
[01:44] <EvilResistance> ignore it
[01:44] <EvilResistance> its a bug
[01:44] <EvilResistance> lemme find the bug...
[01:44] <EvilResistance> its somewhere in by bug subscriptions...
[01:44] <EvilResistance> bah cant find the number...
[01:45] <wgrant> askhl_: You can ignore that.
[01:45] <askhl_> Okay, but it's a bit hard to ignore since it prevents me from uploading
[01:45] <EvilResistance> askhl_:  it was uploaded
[01:45] <wgrant> It doesn't, actually.
[01:45] <EvilResistance> askhl_:  its a bug, but the data is actually uploaded
[01:45] <askhl_> Is it a Launchpad bug?
[01:45] <wgrant> That's just a warning. The real signature check is later.
[01:45] <wgrant> It's a Launchpad bug, yes.
[01:45] <wgrant> I've asked a sysadmin to restart the FTP server to make it go away.
[01:45] <wgrant> But you don't need to reupload.
[01:45] <askhl_> Thank you very much, EvilResistance and wgrant
[01:46] <EvilResistance> wgrant:  i forget the bug number for this bug... micahg's told me the bug number before but it keeps getting lost in my logs :/
[01:47] <wgrant> Bug #798957
[01:47] <hloeung> askhl_: ok, it's been restarted now
[01:51] <askhl_> hloeung, thanks
[01:52] <EvilResistance> wgrant:  thanks
[01:53] <askhl_> (I confirm that Launchpad has in fact accepted the package)
[06:13] <toabctl> why does launchpad show already fixed bugs on a team page ? (eg https://code.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.head)
[06:14] <lifeless> thats not a team page; thats a branch page.
[06:14] <lifeless> it shows bugs related to the branch, of all statuses
[06:28] <Corey> I have a package that Launchpad is currently only building for Lucid; how do I make it build across the board for other releases?
[06:28] <Corey> Specifically, https://launchpad.net/~saltstack/+archive/salt
[06:47] <lifeless> toabctl: bugs.launchpad.net/~network-manager would be a team bugs report, for instance.
[12:21] <grof002ax> On https://launchpad.net/ I have created a new project in "sandbox environment". Everything seems to be OK. I created a project ONLY to have a translations in Launchpad. I have manually imported tar file with all the directory+pot files+po files structure as explained in documentation. Then I have manually approved all of the files. Now I can see files in "import queue" as Approved for TWO DAYS. Just wondering much time will it take to import this transl
[12:26] <wgrant> grof002ax: The sandbox environment doesn't run certain expensive background tasks, such as translations imports.
[12:27] <grof002ax> wgrant, thanks a lot for explaining!
[12:31] <Quintasan> jelmer: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/183115
[12:31] <Quintasan> Thanks in advance
[13:09] <grof002ax> Hi,  I have created a new project on Launchpad, imported translations etc. Now I would like to change maintainer of project so someone else. According to documentation found on web it is done in Overview clicking on Change details (so far OK) and then on People link. But there is no People link. How to change maintainer?
[13:12] <wgrant> grof002ax: Hm, those docs must be out of date. Try clicking the yellow edit icon next to the maintainer field on the project's main page.
[13:19] <grof002ax> wgrant; what I see on main Overview web page: https://qastaging.launchpad.net/testabc/trunk there is no "maintainer". Which settings should I change to change maintainer?
[13:20] <wgrant> grof002ax: https://qastaging.launchpad.net/testabc
[13:20] <wgrant> That's the main project page
[13:20] <wgrant> /testabc/trunk is for the trunk series.
[13:21] <wgrant> If you don't know what a series is, you don't have to care about them yet :)
[13:22] <grof002ax> wgrant, oh sorry, I was in trunk series. But looking to main page:  https://qastaging.launchpad.net/testabc where is maintainer to change?
[13:23] <wgrant> grof002ax: Right under "Project information"
[13:23] <wgrant> "Maintainer: grofaty"
[13:24] <grof002ax> wgrant, yes I see this info, but clicking on grofaty it displays the main page of "grofaty" = user. How to change maintainer. There is no yellow image to change it or is it?
[13:26] <wgrant> grof002ax: Hm, there should be one if you're logged in, unless you're using a strange browser like Internet Explorer.
[13:26] <wgrant> If that doesn't work, try https://qastaging.launchpad.net/testabc/+edit-people
[13:32] <grof002ax> wgrant, thanks a lot. Currently I use Firefox 3.6 on Windows XP (I need this version of Firefox because this is the only version of browser that is correctly displaying our company bought application) and yellow button is not there and I am logged in! Now I have started virtual machine using Ubuntu 11.10 and Firefox 8.0 and logged in and icon is there. Strange! It looks like some kind of bug or something. Yes direct link you provided
[13:33] <wgrant> Hmm.
[13:33] <wgrant> Odd.
[13:33] <wgrant> It should work in all versions Firefox, although that version is old and unsupported by Mozilla.
[13:34] <wgrant> And even if the JS doesn't work, there should be a link to +edit-people.
[13:34] <wgrant> So perhaps the JS half-works.
[13:36] <grof002ax> No this is not true Firefox 3.6 is SUPPORTED by Mozilla! There are two product lines that are supported that is series: 3.6 and series 4-5-6-7-8-9. Here is a print screen: http://shrani.si/f/1X/rt/1oVXxIWP/launchpad.png of what it looks like in Firefox 3.6
[13:37] <wgrant> Oh, right. 3.6 was the last one on the old support schedule.
[13:38] <grof002ax> Should I report a bug for this or not? I am willing, but don't want to bother some people with old browser if this is not desired.
[13:39] <wgrant> That sounds bugworthy indeed.
[13:39] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[13:49] <grof002ax> OK, I have reported a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/909366
[13:52] <grof002ax> wgrant, thank you very much for you help. Bye.
[16:53] <leonel> Hello   I've updated the expiration date for my gpg key  then Sync and publish to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[16:53] <leonel> how long do I have to wait so launchpad can take that change ?? I can't upload packages to launchpad
[18:29] <costales> Hi!
[18:33] <lifeless> olá


[00:04] <zmoylan-pixi> just 1 toe
[00:05] <diddledan> I shall now call you hop-a-long
[00:05] <zmoylan-pixi> and 6 weeks of iv antibiotics
[00:05] <diddledan> dang, that's a lot of infection
[00:06] <daftykins> yep the toe got a whole case of zmoylan for years ;D
[00:07] <zmoylan-pixi> then had to wait a few days for picc line to be removed... pic.twitter.com/83m6d42Ari
[00:51] <diddledan> when I see a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTUQyEr-sg0
[00:52] <diddledan> must. click. the. link.
[01:26] <daftykins> mm falling asleep here, g'night \o
[02:58] <shahin> Hi, anyone can suggest about linux free course via online??
[08:11] <SuperMatt> hey hey hey
[08:47] <diplo> Morning all
[09:02] <zmoylan-samj3> yayyyy
[09:38] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:48] <foobarry> what do i ask the in-laws for for xmas?
[09:48] <foobarry> they will buy something i don't need unless i give an idea
[09:49] <brobostigon> can i ask my in-laws to clear my credit cards?
[09:50] <foobarry> leecowdrey: its on an HPC cluster. so the machine has 48 cores, but the job requests only 1 core so instead of 48 threads (confined into 1 cpu lol)  i want it to use 1. other apps manage it, not java
[11:34] <leecowdrey> foobarry: ok so following `number of threads = total virtual memory / (stack size*1024*1024)` then determine current virtual memory `ulimit -v` and apply at the process level of the user running java with `ulimit -s newvalue` for soft limit and `ulimit -v newvalue` for the hard limit. This constrains maximum available not maximum used, so given it is java then you manage maximum used from in Java within your
[11:34] <leecowdrey> code (i.e. limits specified in ExecutorService)
[11:36] <leecowdrey> foobarry: you can though set machine wide rather than process specific; to retrieve it: `sudo cat /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max`, to set it: `sudo echo 123456789 > /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max`
[11:51] <foobarry> leecowdrey: fogive my java ignorance, but is there an easy way to limit to 1 thread? because what i see happening is lots of unecessary threads when the user just requested 1 core. more threads lowers the performance because the scheduler (and cgroups) has limited the user to the 1 core they requested although the compute node has 48 cores.
[11:52] <foobarry> hence he gets 11mins runtime instead of 3mins on his desktop because of these many threads constrained to 1 cpu
[11:54] <foobarry> he's running java -Xmx10G , requesting 1 core and 15G from the job scheduler
[12:12] <foobarry> gonna play with ulimit
[12:13] <SuperMatt> Christ, I am so bored. I'm WFH today, spent the last hour napping, and didn't have a single email or message waiting for me. The new job couldn't start soon enough
[12:14] <foobarry> learn tensorflow!
[12:14] <foobarry> ther's good tutorials on youtube
[12:14] <foobarry> i am literally doing 3 things at once today
[12:21] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Seeing Java mentioned, reminded me of this - https://www.humblebundle.com/books/java-books
[12:21] <TwistedLucidity> leecowdrey: ^
[12:22] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: You want to limit Java to only ever run one thread on one core?
[12:24] <leecowdrey> foobarry: if you want to limit to 1 thread then dont use threads
[12:24] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: yeah, or at least one thread PER core
[12:24] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Is the code yours (i.e. you can edit/configure it) or third party?
[12:25] <foobarry> how to not use threads?
[12:25] <foobarry> its a user's code, and he's using some 3rd party bits
[12:25] <TwistedLucidity> Hah. Game over then, the third party code could start as many threads as it sees fit.
[12:26] <foobarry> i seeem to be having some success with ulimit
[12:26] <TwistedLucidity> Limiting it to n threads, sure; that should be doable
[12:26] <foobarry> need to benchmark to see impact on the speed though
[12:26] <foobarry> i'm doing ulimit -v as per lee
[12:27] <TwistedLucidity> "ulimit -u <number processes>"?
[12:27] <TwistedLucidity> Must confess, this isn't something I've had to worry about. Mostly I've sobbed over GC issues.
[12:28] <TwistedLucidity> You've probably read this (and it looks simialr to Lee's suggestion) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17341883/limiting-number-of-threads-used-by-the-jvm
[12:28] <foobarry> i wish irc showed visited links in red :P
[12:29] <foobarry> java is the worst code for HPC
[12:29] <foobarry> it's not H or P
[12:30] <TwistedLucidity> It's a tool for a job
[12:31] <TwistedLucidity> Your user /might/ be able to do something with "Executors.newSingleThreadExecutor();"
[12:35] <foobarry> the other threads don't seem to do anything
[12:35] <foobarry> sit at 0% cpu even when i allow more cores
[12:37] <foobarry> https://imgur.com/a/I9IYg
[12:40] <twinsen^wee> ++
[12:41] <foobarry> they are in S state
[14:10] <diddledan> why do we have /bin AND /usr/bin ?! http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html
[16:43] <daftykins> diddledan: now i'm killing disks in the builders laptops, sandybridge i3 acer with 202 bad sectors today
[16:43] <leecowdrey> ....When UNIX was first written, /bin and  /usr/bin physically resided on two different disks: /bin being on a smaller faster (more expensive) disk, and /usr/bin on a bigger slower disk. Now, /bin is a symbolic link to  /usr/bin: they are essentially the same directory.
[16:45] <leecowdrey> well not linked on ubuntu but other platforms (UNIX not Linux) were
[16:47] <leecowdrey> so historical hangups..... there was some plans to tidy it all up as does not just apply to /bin and /usr/bin - plenty of other examples
[16:47] <diddledan> daftykins: you complete barsteward
[16:47] <daftykins> diddledan: he said his granddaughter went to use it and it didn't boot anymore!
[16:47] <diddledan> what kind of "help" do you call killing a disk?!
[16:48] <leecowdrey> daftykins: well it wont boot now, i know, you just making sure right ?
[16:48] <daftykins> diagnosis, then popping in an old spare + upgrading it to win10
[16:49] <daftykins> leecowdrey: haha, it's just a joke - i didn't kill it really - just identified it was bad in the SMART data
[16:49] <daftykins> me and diddledan just have a long running joke
[16:49]  * daftykins winks
[16:51] <diddledan> I'm finally catching up on stranger things
[16:51] <diddledan> up to episode 6
[16:52] <daftykins> \o/
[16:52] <daftykins> i've been moving slow on season 2 myself
[16:53] <diddledan> I'm on s1 :-o
[16:54] <diddledan> yey for netflix meaning I get to watch at my leisure though
[16:54] <diddledan> broadcast is so passé
[17:01] <daftykins> i much prefer download :P
[17:02] <daftykins> consistent quality, higher bitrate... #1
[17:02] <diddledan> is that "download" or "download ;-)"
[17:02] <daftykins> although i did just pay £150 to an aerials guy to put a brand new antenna on my roof and leave a drop cable in my eaves corner, so i'll wire things up internally later
[17:11] <leecowdrey> daftykins: punny
[17:24] <diddledan> besides the chief, is there only two other policemen? (the ones in uniform)
[17:25] <diddledan> they seem to be the only two you ever see, at least
[17:25] <daftykins> small town!
[17:25] <daftykins> secretary counts in a way, too ;D
[17:25] <diddledan> lol
[17:28] <daftykins> i am really tempted to pull the trigger on a 55" LG OLED B7 and a new 4K capable AV receiver given these sale prices
[17:28] <diddledan> :-o
[17:29] <daftykins> TV is down to £1,250 to rock dwellers now!
[17:35] <diddledan> I think we should impose special rock-duty on you lot
[17:36] <daftykins> our government shall tell you your fortune!
[17:36] <daftykins> we already get royally *cough* inconvenienced by your gov on a regular basis
[17:36] <diddledan> I'd rather they give me my fortune
[17:37] <daftykins> if they demanded tax from us we'd have to dump, er, not tea but maybe our actual lovely exports into the harbour
[17:38] <diddledan> even that gorgeous butter?!
[17:39] <diddledan> that'll make a mess
[17:39] <daftykins> swimming in the harbour might become a varied experience
[17:40] <daftykins> maybe the butter will set off any further WW2 bombs that haven't been found, (one was just the other day)
[17:40] <daftykins> the ferries had been going over the top of it all those years
[17:40] <diddledan> eep
[17:42] <diddledan> I love the synthesized sounds on the stranger things intro
[17:43] <daftykins> :D ja
[17:43] <daftykins> nice and bassy too
[18:06] <diddledan> they're building a sen-dep tank
[18:06] <diddledan> what's the salt for?
[18:06] <diddledan> bouyancy?
[18:06] <daftykins> shh spoilers to anyone present who has not seen :P
[18:21] <diddledan> nice bat!
[18:22] <diddledan> I think they forgot the cheese though
[18:25] <diddledan> looks like zimbabwe has a new president
[18:25] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-42063744
[18:26] <diddledan> of course it was an entirely consensual accession that mugabe agreed to willingly
[18:30] <diddledan> https://i.imgur.com/bkfZ02p.mp4
[19:42] <daftykins> absolutely
[19:43] <diddledan> https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/vUGrr0nycaelcE_s2ZSR6g4Hlh8=/0x211:2288x1498/1600x900/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50821489/spam-wall.0.0.jpg
[19:43] <diddledan> SPAM!
[19:45] <daftykins> don't think i've ever tried any
[20:01] <diddledan> it's a mainlander thing :-p
[20:01] <diddledan> you scurvy scum aren't likely to have such things there
[20:02] <daftykins> ;] nah i've seen it!
[20:48] <diddledan> lol @ episode 2's closing music
[20:48] <diddledan> s2
[20:48]  * diddledan binging
[22:17] <diddledan> cat.
[22:17] <diddledan> that's all I'm saying
[22:17] <diddledan> cat.
[22:18] <daftykins> mrow.
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[22:46] <diddledan> baa
[23:08] <daftykins> diddledan: back in Wales? ;)
[23:08] <daftykins> bed time \o
[23:08] <diddledan> nah, out on a date
[23:09] <daftykins> diddledan: these are not one and the same?
[23:09] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: yay for home! :)
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is alive, i repeat the pi is alive :-)
[23:09] <diddledan> mmm, pi


[20:21] <cub> humm is TheDrums and unit193 the same person?
[20:21] <TheDrums> cub: Yes.
[20:21] <TheDrums> Hypnotoad and TheDrums are also the same.
[20:21] <cub> haha ok I didn't know that.
[20:22] <TheDrums> Something up?
[20:24] <cub> Nope I just saw the info when you joined and I thought you were two different people. :) As I have spoke to you "both" but didn't make the connection before
[20:25] <TheDrums> Heh, whoops.
[20:28] <cub> zequence, how the procedure for ubuntu studio testing? I've been checking the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleaseProcedure and wonder what's the usual procedure for US.
[20:29] <cub> The most extensive tests start after beta 1 is released? Or do we test a lot before beta 1?


[05:32] <SycPuppy> hmmm, Been trying to figure out the menu's in 11.10 and there is so much eye candy pre-loaded it's taking around a minute to open those menu's on the left, wondering if some1 could tell me what tab under system lets me kill all that "eye-candy" as I'm using a AMD K-8 on a fried MB with buggy memory and it might take awhile to locate it since last ubuntu I was serious with was 9.04
[06:15] <SycPuppy> Is unity added over gnome or is it independant of it?
[07:31] <SycPuppy> 28 people afk?
[11:27] <bkerensa> =o
[20:28] <blkperl> slangasek: have a date in mind for speaking yet? :)
[20:29] <blkperl> bkero: when do you want to speak?
[20:31] <bkero> blkperl: sometime next week
[20:32] <blkperl> bkero: how about jan 13 (friday) at 4ish
[20:33] <bkero> blkperl: I'm flying out at 5pm that day
[20:34] <blkperl> hmm
[20:34] <blkperl> when do you get back?
[20:34] <bkero> jan 28
[20:34] <blkperl> so want to speak in feb?
[20:35] <bkero> but I'm giving my talk then, and the reason I want to give it now is for practice for when I give it at the conference.
[20:35] <blkperl> oh
[20:35] <bkero> Kind of silly to get practice after the event
[20:35] <blkperl> lemme check then
[20:40] <blkperl> bkero: what day/time are you availible
[20:40] <blkperl> ubiquiil is going to reserve a room
[20:44] <bkero> anytie this week
[20:44] <bkero> besides tuesday night
[20:45] <bkero> err, next week
[20:45] <blkperl> how about wednesday at 4?
[20:45] <bkero> ok
[20:46] <blkperl> bkero: do you have a "bio and abstract" listed on the conference website i can steal and spam?
[20:46] <bkero> sure
[20:46] <bkero> linux.conf.au
[20:52] <blkperl> bkero: i pmed you
[23:03] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I won't be joining you at FudCon this time :) maybe next time I got two obligations this month
[23:03]  * MarkDude was not expecting you to travel to Virginia
[23:03] <MarkDude> Do you mean Scale?
[23:04] <MarkDude> Maybe you can make it the 28th, I have a photoshoot with Nixie, and some zombies
[23:04] <MarkDude> bkerenzombie...
[23:04] <MarkDude> bkerensa, what are the plans for the Geeknic
[23:05] <MarkDude> And let me be the person to contact Leslie at OSU :)
[23:06] <bkerensa> LOL
[23:07] <bkerensa> I am definately not going to Scale
[23:07] <bkerensa> :D
[23:07] <bkerensa> not unless Gareth is sponsoring me to go :)
[23:07] <bkerensa> LAX is hell :P
[23:07] <bkerensa> I think the soonest I will see you is CLS 2012 and OSCON
[23:08] <bkerensa> I will for sure be at UDS too
[23:09] <MarkDude> LA in general is hell
[23:09] <MarkDude> UDS shall effin' fock
[23:09] <MarkDude> or rock that is
[23:09] <bkerensa> MarkDude: We having a bonfire on Ocean Beach?
[23:09] <bkerensa> :D
[23:09] <bkerensa> or Lake Meritt
[23:09] <bkerensa> LOL
[23:09] <MarkDude> Um, well the gangs come out at night
[23:10] <MarkDude> We are having a tour- of the weed clubs apprently
[23:10] <MarkDude> When I say we, I mean Ubuntu in general
[23:11]  * MarkDude is willing to bet all sorts of $ that all sorts of folks will look "sleepy"
[23:11] <bkerensa> lol
[23:11] <bkerensa> the gangs?
[23:11] <bkerensa> were not going to hangout in east oakland
[23:11] <bkerensa> heh
[23:11] <bkerensa> we can go up to Berkeley for some boozing
[23:11] <MarkDude> There are gangs everywhere
[23:11] <bkerensa> peh
[23:11] <MarkDude> Like in movie West Side Story
[23:11] <MarkDude> Sharks and Jets
[23:12] <bkerensa> I use to go out to Hunters Point and Sunnydale
[23:12] <MarkDude> They dance and attack folks
[23:12] <bkerensa> never had a problem once
[23:12] <bkerensa> its all myth
[23:12] <MarkDude> You mean Gunpoint?
[23:12] <MarkDude> lol
[23:12] <bkerensa> I have been through East Oakland too.... The Killing Fields etc ;)
[23:12]  * MarkDude used to work in East Oakland as mechanic- in his 20s
[23:12] <MarkDude> Hella sketchy
[23:13] <bkerensa> http://www.insidebayarea.com/oakland-homicides/ci_12471282
[23:13] <bkerensa> I think honestly I have seen worse things in the Tenderloin
[23:13] <MarkDude> #1
[23:13] <MarkDude> Well more killings in Oakland than anywhere in Bay
[23:13] <MarkDude> But more criminals in Tenderloin
[23:13] <bkerensa> I was eating lunch at a park on Ellis St the first time I visted SF.... and this guy came out and he looked like Billy Crystal (The Comedian) and he started choking out this black guy
[23:14] <bkerensa> I was like WTF
[23:14] <bkerensa> apparently he was a undercover cop and the black guy had crack in his mouth
[23:14] <bkerensa> he was not Billy Crystal :D
[23:14] <bkerensa> I did get to meet Billy Crystal a few years later at the Orpheum though
[23:24] <MarkDude> Was Billy on crack also?
[23:25] <MarkDude> Years later?


[14:59] <Nothing_Much> When's the next Ubuntu meetup? :D
[15:05] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: FOSSETCON is in FL right?
[15:12] <Nothing_Much> nevermind, I didn't see the gigantic "Location" tab on the website
[16:23] <balloons> Nothing_Much, yes it's in Orlando
[16:24] <Nothing_Much> yep
[16:24] <Nothing_Much> but I don't see much relating to ubuntu
[16:31] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: Thursday will be UbuCon where we'll have several sessions, we'll have a booth for Friday and Saturday, and I think at least one presentation one of those days too
[16:33] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: and what about the "Training Pass" ticket?
[16:33] <Nothing_Much> what's that for?
[16:41] <mhall119> I think that's for the thursday sessions, in addition to UbuCon there willbe othre training/workshop sessions happening
[16:50] <Bryanstein> mhall119, ping
[16:53] <mhall119> Bryanstein: pong
[16:54] <Bryanstein> mhall119, you guys never settled on the later sessions for the Ubucon?
[16:55] <mhall119> we didn't? I thought we had
[16:55] <mhall119> Bryanstein: what is the current list you have?
[16:55] <Bryanstein> Creating your first Ubuntu SDK Application
[16:56] <Bryanstein> Giving Back: First steps to contributing to ubuntu
[16:56] <Bryanstein> Oh yes since Jorge won't be able to make it...
[16:56] <Bryanstein> That's the extent of it...not counting the panel you guys spoke of
[16:57] <mhall119> what about Jose's?
[16:57] <Bryanstein> As I said Federico will be there
[16:57] <mhall119> I had another submission too
[16:57] <Bryanstein> jose, might not make it in time
[16:57] <mhall119> oh right, I keep forgetting he won't be there on Thursday
[16:58] <mhall119> Bryanstein: do you have somebody who could moderate a panel session? Taking questiosn and asking their own
[16:58] <Bryanstein> Well he will but at like 4pm
[16:58] <Bryanstein> mhall119, well it can be arranged perhaps but Federico said he'd contribute to the Ubucon
[16:59] <Bryanstein> I figured there are enough Ubuntu folks in FL to move this along itself
[16:59] <mhall119> sure, we just need to know what we need to do
[16:59] <mhall119> so how many session are we short, if we don't count the panel
[17:00] <Bryanstein> Well the list and the slots open were posted to the mailing list
[17:00] <mhall119> Bryanstein: is the Ubuntu SDK session 2 hours?
[17:01] <Bryanstein> 1.5
[17:01] <mhall119> and giving back also 1.5?
[17:01] <Bryanstein> Nope...he said it was 30-40 minutes
[17:01] <Bryanstein> You have a total of 6 hours
[17:02] <mhall119> balloons: what did you and pleia2 decide on the time for your joint giving-back session?
[17:02] <Bryanstein> Lets say it makes 1.5...that's still 2 hours not counting the panel
[17:03] <Bryanstein> 1.5 SDK, 1.5 Contributing, 1 Panel, that's 4 total
[17:04] <Bryanstein> Oh what happened to the Beginner talk I asked about....hmmm someone was saying they'd perhaps do it
[17:04] <mhall119> I said I could if we needed it,which it seems we do
[17:04] <Bryanstein> mhall119, can you ping Federico and see what he says...I asked him and he said he'd contribute to the Ubucon
[17:04] <mhall119> that, plus a panel, would still leave us an hour short though wouldn't it?
[17:04] <mhall119> what's his irc nick?
[17:05] <Bryanstein> errr no clue...I just email him :oP
[17:05] <mhall119> roaksoax: hey, are you going to be a FOSSETCON?
[17:05] <mhall119> Bryanstein: can you PM me his email address?
[17:05] <Bryanstein> So if there was an Ubuntu for beginners that lasted an hour...yes that would leave 1 hour
[17:06] <roaksoax> mhall119: hey! i don't think so. When is that gonna be?
[17:06] <mhall119> roaksoax: Sept 11-13th in Orlando
[17:06] <roaksoax> mhall119: diffcicult days
[17:06] <balloons> we'd like at least an hour mhall119 and Bryanstein
[17:06] <roaksoax> but will try
[17:07] <mhall119> roaksoax: ok, jcastro had to back out because of a work sprint, so we don't have any server/cloud sessions for Thursday's UbuCon
[17:09] <roaksoax> mhall119: bummer! yeah I thought of going but might have to go to a sprint too
[19:22] <Bryanstein> mhall119, this is what we also need
[19:23] <Bryanstein> We need errr abstracts for the talks...well the panel and anything else that is prospective
[19:23] <Bryanstein> We have two abstracts already...but in setting up the schedule people want to know what is going on in the Ubucon
[19:26] <mhall119> Bryanstein: I'll get you an abstract on the beginners session this week, the panel will just be a Q&A session, maybe we can provide a way for people to propose questions throughout the day?
[19:27] <Bryanstein> mhall119, well I can just make something up but it would be quite helpful to me if someone did it
[19:27] <mhall119> federico is going to ping me tomorrow morning to talk about what he can do
[19:27]  * Bryanstein has 500,000 things he's doing
[19:27] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ok, I'll put it on my list as well
[19:27] <Bryanstein> Well this is what I'll do...I'll just put something in there...it's super late in the game. This all needs to be there post haste
[19:28] <Bryanstein> So I'll put in Federico's talk on the Ubucon page and if he does something different so be it...it can be changed
[19:28] <Bryanstein> That's better than nothing
[19:29] <Bryanstein> mhall119, when ever you figure out your abstract I'll add it, but in the mean time I'm just going to make something up. I'll post it to the list but we need the folks to ping me with the appropriate content
[19:29] <mhall119> Bryanstein: what are the hours for UbuCon?
[19:30] <Bryanstein> 9-5
[19:30] <Bryanstein> Thursday
[19:30] <mhall119> when is lunch?
[19:30] <Bryanstein> 12:10
[19:30] <Bryanstein> or 12:20...it'll be post in a minute...but realistically people want to know what is going on, ie click on the Ubucon link and see content that makes them want to go
[19:31] <mhall119> and starting again at 2pm?
[19:34] <Bryanstein> 1:30 or something
[19:34] <Bryanstein> wait...
[19:34] <Bryanstein> 12:10 - 1:30 lunch
[19:35] <Bryanstein> 1:50 - 3:20 another block of sessions
[19:35] <Bryanstein> 3:30 - 5:00 last block of sessions
[19:53] <mhall119> what are the morning time slots?
[21:13] <Bryanstein> mhall119, morning slots?
[21:13] <mhall119> you said 9-5, what are the start/end times for the ones before lunch?
[21:15] <Bryanstein> mhall119, well between 9-12...it's in 1.5 hour slots


[02:48] <MutantTurkey> I am sitting at montco today
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> with my thinkpad
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> and some gu
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> who clearly thinkgs he knows a million things about computers but only really plays steam games
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> comes up to me
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> and is all like "oh lenovo huh"
[02:48] <MutantTurkey> I was like "Yes. this is a great laptop. the best one on the market for what it is"
[02:49] <MutantTurkey> "OH WELL HOW MANY GIGS OF RAM DOES IT HAVE?" he asks
[02:49] <MutantTurkey> "well 4 gigs of ram kind sir"
[02:49] <MutantTurkey> "OH WELL IT WOULD RUN SO MUCH FASTER WITH 8 GIGS. YA KNOW FOR ALL YOUR GAMING NEEDS"
[02:49] <MutantTurkey> gtfo
[02:49] <MutantTurkey> what a tard.
[02:52] <ChinnoDog>  hi MutantTurkey
[02:52] <MutantTurkey> hi
[02:53] <MutantTurkey> computards piss me off
[02:53] <MutantTurkey> and PHP is not a programming language...
[02:53] <MutantTurkey> whew
[02:53] <MutantTurkey> just wanted to get that out
[02:54] <ChinnoDog>  is it turing complete?
[02:54] <MutantTurkey> its a scripting language.
[02:55] <ChinnoDog> but, is it turing complete? because if it us,, it must be a programming language, regardless of implementation
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> that is not true
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> even remotely
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> Turing complete is an irrelevant idea
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> someone write a turing complete implemntation in emacs.
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> i mean.
[03:06] <MutantTurkey> cmon
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: question
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> say I did this:
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> nevermind.
[03:10] <MutantTurkey> figured it out
[03:11] <MutantTurkey> just thinking through it i realized the fault
[04:50] <MutantTurkey> an interesting watch
[04:50] <MutantTurkey> http://ia600508.us.archive.org/3/items/rhythm_blues_review/rhythm_blues_review.ogv
[04:50] <MutantTurkey> mostly just the tapping section
[04:50] <MutantTurkey> go to around 12:30
[04:50] <MutantTurkey> this is how I want to dance
[04:52] <MutantTurkey> http://ia600508.us.archive.org/3/items/rhythm_blues_review/rhythm_blues_review.ogv
[04:52] <MutantTurkey> 12:20
[08:07] <InHisName> Good Morning !
[08:10] <andrew> Morning
[08:10] <InHisName> Hi, andrew, long time no speak
[08:16] <andrew> Has it been?
[08:17] <andrew> I can't keep track of these things.
[08:18] <andrew> Anyways, it's getting to be that time of the morning again.
[08:20] <andrew> Good Morning (or Good Night)
[11:05] <rmg51> Morning
[12:50] <jedijf> mutantturkey missed an opportunity to advocate :(
[13:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:25] <InHisName> morning rmg51, JonathanD, jedijf, andrew,an myself ?
[13:59] <JonathanD> Hi.
[14:18] <rmg51> o/
[19:22]  * InHisName yawns  (or is it jawns?)
[19:27] <adom> third time with the user/pass. its like its not communicating correctly or something
[19:27] <adom> damn wrong chan sorry
[19:28] <MutantTurkey> sloth.
[19:28] <MutantTurkey> TOTAL sloth.
[19:28] <MutantTurkey> my goal is not to get out of bed all day
[19:29] <InHisName> 3rd time's a charm, adom
[19:30] <InHisName> MutantTurkey: I prefer to get out of bed EARLY and sit too long by computer all day/night.  3 nap breaks and I'm good for another day.
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> meh
[19:31] <InHisName> hem
[20:03] <andrew> afternoon
[20:07] <JonathanD> yes.
[20:19] <InHisName> I did 'free' on ubuntu and amount used, I think is way more that real.  What tells me what is really used and really free for future use in my PHYSICAL RAM space ?
[20:22] <adom> *blush*
[20:26] <jedijf> InHisName: the second line free for your purposes
[20:27] <jedijf> InHisName: -/+ buffers/cache:     438512    1606424
[20:27] <InHisName> when I just typed 'free' at prompt, showed me no left over RAM
[20:28] <InHisName> which # left or right most one ?
[20:28] <InHisName> is the available RAM ?
[20:28] <jedijf> look up read columns
[20:29] <InHisName> Mem:       8195496    8093272     102224          0      42972    2667568
[20:29] <InHisName> -/+ buffers/cache:    5382732    2812764
[20:29] <jedijf> used       free
[20:29] <InHisName> in above what does 102224 mean in first row 'free'
[20:29] <jedijf> google it
[20:30] <InHisName> in buffers you idicate that 2812764 is the free amount ?
[20:30] <jedijf> cache buffers/cache is explained


[09:45] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:45] <tjaalton> hi
[09:46] <mlankhorst> back home :)
[09:50] <tjaalton> potential-fixes-3.6.txt.. sigh
[09:51] <tjaalton> combing through the diff to drm/i915
[09:51] <mlankhorst> > still cant remember gpg passphrase :p
[09:53] <tjaalton> heh
[09:57] <Saviq> hey, I'd like to point to a smbd bug I've encountered on quantal-backport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1053414
[09:57] <Saviq> not sure how to mark it so that it doesn't get lost
[09:57] <tjaalton> Saviq: wrong channel
[09:58] <mlankhorst> creating a passphrase that was similar yet quite different made me forget it, already forgot it once before. Maybe I can find the inspiration to remember it, else I'll just create a new one again..
[09:58] <Saviq> tjaalton, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport is not here?
[09:58] <tjaalton> Saviq: that's a kernel bug then
[09:59] <Saviq> tjaalton, it's probably just a combination of smb+the kernel, not sure who should know about it...
[10:00] <tjaalton> #ubuntu-kernel maybe
[10:00] <tjaalton> or -server
[10:00] <Saviq> will try -kernel
[10:42] <mlankhorst> hard to be productive again after those weeks :s
[17:26] <AaronCampbell> I found some additional info on my laggy video issue.
[17:27] <AaronCampbell> Recap: I have an AMD ATI Radeon 6870 video card with 4 1680x1080 monitors attached.  It was working well with the proprietary drivers in 12.04.  I didn't upgrade to 12.10, I did a complete reinstall, and now it uses the open source driver but everything is REALLY laggy (dragging windows, switching desktops, etc, etc). My /var/log/Xorg.0.log - http://pastebin.com/i1RiJnHi
[17:27] <AaronCampbell> As it turns out, it's only laggy if I show the launcher on all desktops
[17:28] <AaronCampbell> It's way nicer to have the launcher on all desktops, but for now at least I have a work around
[17:28] <AaronCampbell> Now that I've got it down to the one issue, does anyone have any ideas what I might be able to do to fix it?
[22:12] <bryceh> tjaalton_, there's a null pointer deref bug in the 228_autobind_gpu.patch hotplug code:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1054051
[22:13] <bryceh> tjaalton_, guessing it just needs a null pointer check (which I'd be happy to send a patch for), but I see you have a couple followup patches fixing various things so maybe it needs a bit more  study.
[22:14] <bryceh> mlankhorst, ^^ you might be interested too
[22:14] <mlankhorst> why does it show as private?
[22:14] <bryceh> tjaalton_, btw patches 228 and 229 aren't referenced in changelog
[22:15] <bryceh> mlankhorst, it was private because apport files all crash bugs as private.  I unprivated since there's no core anymore
[22:16] <mlankhorst> airlied wrote the code so you might want to ask him about it :-)
[22:17] <mlankhorst> it' s bed time so i dont really awnt to look right now
[22:18] <bryceh> mlankhorst, it doesn't matter to me; I could just disable the patches and call it good.  But guessing you wanted the patch in there for good reason, so raising for your attention if you want to locate a proper fix.  No hurry, tomorrow's fine.
[22:19] <mlankhorst> it's really a patch we want in since it binds the optimus devices


[02:16] <DarinMiller> Does anyone have an NVidia-hybrid laptop that has tried the new NVidia on Demand profile in the NVidia Setting Manager?  I attempted to run a steam game but NVidia card was not used.
[02:17] <DarinMiller> Does anyone know if this feature is similar to bumblebee and a require special launch command?
[02:18] <DarinMiller> Or maybe the "NVidia on Demand" is intended to be used with bumblebee?
[17:41] <immu> hi
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[19:57] <Bashing-om> \o


[18:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if you're around, can you push up your lightning-extension.head branch?


[01:48] <ahoneybun> Darkwing_:  started following me on instagram :)
[06:22] <soee> good morning
[07:03] <sitter> yofel: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_baloo/101/
[07:06] <sitter> Riddell: why did you merge kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_stable for kaccounts-integration?
[07:06] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kaccounts-integration/28/
[07:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:55] <yofel> sitter: do we have a solution for adding CI stuff to the changelog yet?
[07:55] <yofel> i.e. how do say in the changelog that I removed the patches?
[07:56] <sitter> no solution yet
[07:56] <yofel> brrr
[07:57] <sitter> I'd imagine it needs separate files
[07:57] <sitter> changelog.stable
[07:57] <sitter> changelog.unstable
[07:57] <sitter> and they need to get merged by the merge script
[07:57] <sitter> latter is interestingly enough built into intiial upload because Riddell doesn't like my dedicated script...
[08:03] <yofel> did you try gbp dch yet?
[08:10] <sitter> yofel: considering the hoops we have to jump through with gbp already... no :P
[08:10] <sitter> I decide that I don't trust gbp anymore
[08:11] <sitter> yofel: possibility, our messages are mostly garbage though :P
[08:12] <yofel> I know, this is like choosing between poison and radioactive waste *-.-
[08:13] <sitter> it's not terribly complicated. just needs someone to work out a scheme. we could also require that all changeslog be documented in the commit with a CHANGELOG keyword and have the release script parse for that
[08:13] <sitter> i.e. like gbp dch but only with useful entries
[08:14] <sitter> putting the data in the commit for the most part also removes the problem of having two logs between stable and unstable as commits are by and large unique unless someone screws up
[09:21] <Nobofi> hello
[09:22] <Nobofi> ive been trying to install kubuntu 15.10 beta 2 in vmware, but have no idea on how to get the tools working.
[09:22] <Nobofi> can anyone help?
[09:26] <Nobofi> is this even the correct place to ask?
[09:58] <Nobofi> hi
[09:58] <Nobofi> is anyone there?
[10:08] <sitter> 15.10 support is in #ubuntu+1
[10:08] <Nobofi> oh
[10:08] <Nobofi> thx
[10:08] <Nobofi> anyway
[10:08] <Nobofi> somehow it worked
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:50] <clivejo> Riddell sitter: you guys know anything about the new calligra?
[11:51] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, what's the gossip?
[11:51] <Riddell> clivejo: 2.9.7 is in wily
[11:52] <clivejo> Riddell: Im trying to package the new version 3 ported to KF5
[11:52] <Riddell> whee
[11:52] <Riddell> a beast of a task I expect
[11:52] <clivejo> but kexi seems to have been removed and main calligra relies on three new packages, kreport, kproperty and kdb
[11:53] <clivejo> kexi apparently renamed kdb
[11:54] <clivejo> I couldnt find any packages of those names on luanchpad, does that mean they havent been packaged for kubuntu yet?
[11:54] <Riddell> clivejo: how did you get on with purpose and kamoso?
[11:55] <Riddell> clivejo: are you packaging from git for calligra?
[11:55] <clivejo> Riddell: they built and worked on my machine
[11:55] <Riddell> clivejo: are they in a PPA?
[11:55] <clivejo> only problem is the kamoso version
[11:56] <clivejo> for the watch file to work correctly it needs to be 3.0
[11:56] <clivejo> but I had been using 3.0.0
[11:56] <yofel> as I said, nearly impossible, live with it until the next release
[11:57] <Riddell> am I marked as away?
[11:58] <Riddell> I've a feeling quassel is marking me as away but I've no idea how to unmark it
[11:58] <clivejo> Riddell: yes you are
[11:58] <clivejo> Riddell: LP complains "Version older than that in the archive. 3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 <= 3.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1"
[11:59] <Riddell> right so reversion it to 3.0.0
[12:12] <Riddell> ah hah, no UI for it, just type /away
[12:13] <Riddell> clivejo: able to do that for purpose/kamoso? else just send me what you have and I'll play with it?
[12:15] <yofel> kdb will be a fun source of confusion. kerberos ships libkdb5.so.7, kdb ships libkdb.so.1.0
[12:17] <yofel> clivejo: so yeah, all of the 3 you mentioned seem to be new (even if forked out of koffice it seems). Enjoy the packaging
[12:20] <clivejo> I need help!
[12:22] <clivejo> Riddell: kamoso wont upload to LP
[12:22] <yofel> question is how calligra plans to ship those
[12:22] <clivejo> Riddell: File kamoso_3.0.0.orig.tar.xz already exists in Wily, but uploaded version has different contents.
[12:22] <Riddell> uh oh!
[12:23] <Riddell> clivejo: send them over to me somehow and I'll take a look
[12:23] <clivejo> I hate versions!
[12:26] <clivejo> how is 3.0.0 bigger than 3.0?
[12:28] <yofel> "" is smaller than ".0"
[12:29] <yofel> you can try the algorithm yourself with dpkg --compare-versions (see manpage)
[12:43] <mparillo> What would be a good channel to ask about mirrors? http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.04/release/ is down according https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1500010 But is that even a valid mirror?
[12:49] <sitter> kubuntu ci down for maintenance
[12:52] <sitter> sebas: btw, did your kmail improve in .1?
[12:52] <sebas> sitter: .1 what?
[12:52] <sitter> actually
[12:52] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim
[12:52] <sitter> why is that at .0?
[12:52] <sitter> sebas: apps, which apaprently wasn't landed
[12:52] <sitter> it's not like 15.08.0 was entirely broken
[12:53] <sebas> it's dysfunctional with all updates installed
[12:53] <sebas> (wily)
[12:53] <sebas> that is, akonadi and kmail start, but kmail says akonadi is not operational
[12:53] <sitter> *nod*
[12:53] <sebas> same issue as last weeks
[12:54] <sitter> sebas: nothing changed, for some reason kdepim is still at 15.08.0 but should be at .1
[12:54] <sebas> k
[12:54] <sebas> let me know when I should try again
[12:54] <sebas> (I don't really like claws)
[12:55] <sitter> 🐼 kubuntu ci maintenance done 🐼
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm, good question, I'll see what else isn't 15.08.1
[12:55]  * Riddell fluffles sitter's panda
[12:56] <sitter> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[12:56] <sitter> for some reason that thing reports 15.08.0 on the watches
[13:09] <sitter> mck182: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805
[13:09] <bshah> sitter: mobile CI also down for maintainance?
[13:11] <sitter> no
[13:11] <sitter> or maybe
[13:11] <bshah> mmm : http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/ ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[13:11] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[13:13] <ricktimmis> mparillo: While your looking at mirrors, might be worth noting that torrents don't seem to be seeding and propogating correctly
[13:18] <BluesKaj> had problems with zsync finishing it's download with the dailiies a few days ago, same for the http ,oddly enough I had  had to zsync the image to finish the wget download
[13:35] <Riddell> bshah: http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/ working for me currently
[13:36] <bshah> yep.. was giving error fe wminutes ago
[14:37] <Riddell> clivejo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kamoso/3.0.0-0ubuntu1 !
[14:40] <Riddell> clivejo: you might want to e-mail upstream and suggest they follow a sequential version number scheme with 3 parts to it in future
[14:50] <Riddell> clivejo: you know if calligra is too much of a beast that rsibreak applications is in need of packaging I read
[14:50] <sitter> in fact, tell kamoso to read the readme of their release script :P
[14:50] <sitter> in particualr the section going 'best practise'
[15:05] <sitter> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepim.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive NONONONONOCI
[15:52] <ronnoc> Riddell: Is there any kind of direct benefit to Kubuntu if I join the Ubuntu Testers team?
[15:52] <Riddell> ronnoc: I don't know what that team does
[15:53] <sgclark> hi all
[15:54] <ronnoc> Riddell: Similar to the QT we do here but a little more involved. You create a standardized hardware profile on GitHub, then so ISO testing and file bugs as neeed. Not sure if they'd be keen on Kubuntu ISO testing though.
[15:55] <ronnoc> I just figured maybe there'd be some kind of synergistic overlap perhaps
[15:55]  * Riddell fluffles sgclark
[15:57] <sgclark> anything needing attention?
[15:57] <Riddell> ronnoc: I heard of automated ISO tests that ubuntu have which would be interesting for kubuntu, is that it?
[15:57] <Riddell> sgclark: valorie posted about rsibreak packaging
[15:57] <sgclark> that sounds cool.
[15:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, I will give it a shot
[15:59] <ronnoc> Riddell: Nope. See http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker and then  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware. I uploaded a hardware profile already just as an excercise to see if it worked.
[16:06] <yofel> FWIW, anyone here that does ISO/Upgrade QA might as well join the testers team, as that's what it's for
[16:07] <yofel> I think it's just a badge collector team anyway
[16:07] <sgclark> ooh badges
[16:12] <BluesKaj> "we don't need no stinkin' badges"  ... a widely quoted paraphrase of a line of dialogue from the 1948 film The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
[16:12] <BluesKaj> great old flick, that one
[16:19] <BluesKaj> somewhat offtopic , but due the above comments by yofel i couldn't resist :-)
[16:19] <yofel> heh
[16:28] <ronnoc> Riddell: If nothing else, having our own testers group make a hardware profile that is easily referenced (stored on a wiki page perhaps) might be of some value? I'm just thinking out loud a bit here.
[16:28] <ronnoc> yofel: That's the conclusion I was coming to as well ;)
[16:29] <sgclark> I uploaded my profile a long time ago
[16:29] <sgclark> though i am not on that team, perhaps I should join
[16:30] <yofel> ronnoc: the hardware profile should match whatever hardware you did the test on
[16:31] <ronnoc> yofel: Of course...otherwise it would be of little value. The trick long-term is to remember to update it whenever something changes on your system.
[16:31] <yofel> right
[16:32] <ronnoc> I was thinking if there were a recognized "Ku Testers Group" (official or not) it would be nice to have these HW profile links stored on a Wiki page somewhere for easy dev-checking when something comes up.
[16:33] <ronnoc> Perhaps it could save on some back-and-forth communication with a report or here on IRC. Just a thought though.
[16:34] <yofel> there is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers which is dead because nobody cares about the documentation
[16:36] <ronnoc> yofel: I am already a member. Didn't even remember that. Do you mean Wiki pages for instructing users? I could probably handle that if there's interest.
[16:37] <ronnoc> Right now I beleive that anyone wanting to help with testing are generally just instructed to come here and bug someone.
[16:38] <yofel> right, you'll see that there's a wiki page linked from the team page, which surprisingly actually exists and isn't in that bad of a shape
[16:39] <yofel> but yeah, we don't really have much testing documentation as we practically don't do any testing except ISO qa (which is somewhat ad-hoc) and KCI
[16:39] <BluesKaj> oh great that means I's have to keep 2 profiles since I run dev releases on a desktop and a laptop ;P
[16:40] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: If we wanted to utilize that feature, then yes :P
[16:41] <BluesKaj> then I'd probly just run the dev release on my desktop which is getting a bit long in the tooth
[16:42] <yofel> bbl
[16:42] <ronnoc> yofel: Excellent! Perhaps all that needs done really is fixing the broken link for Testing/Kubuntu/Current (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Current). I'll see what I can do to get that page in better shape.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> altho I'm looking at upgrading to a new pc in a yr or so
[16:44] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: All you ever have to do is re-run that shell script and you get an updated hardware profile URL to bookmark. Really couldn't be much simpler.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  ok, seems fairly simple then
[18:03] <Riddell> hmm I don't get that, it looks built
[18:36] <soee> yofel: thanks for taking care of this Dolphin bug
[18:36] <soee> looks like now it works fine :)
[18:36] <yofel> yw
[18:37] <clivejo> soee: what was the problem?
[18:37] <soee> clivejo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-September/009945.html
[18:39] <clivejo> so, let me rephase it, what was the solution to the problem
[18:40] <soee> clivejo: you should ask yofel, he fixed it but updateign some packages i think
[18:41] <yofel> uh... something about not doing something without a db connection I think
[18:41] <yofel> would have to read the patches
[18:42] <yofel> (in baloo-kf5)
[18:49] <TJ-> Is that the package that brings in the mysqlserver-core ?
[18:50] <yofel> no, that would ba akonadi-backend-mysql
[18:50] <yofel> *be
[18:51] <soee> there is another annoying bug in Dolphin i just confrmed on #kde-devel :/
[18:58] <Riddell> soee: what's that?
[18:58] <soee> Riddell: what ?
[18:58] <Riddell> the annoying bug
[19:00] <soee> Riddell: ah, if we put some stuff in trash and click to empty it, the icon doesn't change and we can see all files in trash (but they were removed) and if we close dolphin and open it again we can see trash empty. But if we do not reopen Dolphin and try to remove manually some of those fiels in trash, we will see in systray indicator with endless loop
[19:01] <soee> this might be related to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352097
[19:01] <clivejo> Riddell: did you get kamoso files I sent?
[19:02] <Riddell> clivejo: yes thanks that got uploaded
[19:02] <clivejo> what was the issue?
[19:02] <clivejo> why wouldnt LP let me upload it?
[19:15] <soee> can someone of you mark it as confirmed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352097 ?
[20:46] <Riddell> soee: done
[20:47] <soee> Riddell: thank you
[21:22] <clivejo> Riddell yofel: how do I indicate a 3.0.0 Alpha ?


[03:22] <blackboxsw> Just a thought: you can see the typical content fed to cloud-init via userdata on first boot by looking at `sudo cat /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-installer.cfg` after first boot. Generally it's as you said, initial locale/timezone and primary user creation.  If you are performing firstboot provisioning operations and don't want to collide with cloud-init there a `cloud-init status --wait` would block until cloud-init is done
[03:24] <blackboxsw> or, if your provisioning operations are driven by systemd services you could order those units After=cloud-init.target`
[03:25] <blackboxsw> either would be easier than trying to remove cloud-init from the booted image and replicate the operations is performs.
[03:25] <blackboxsw> *it performs
[04:38] <MTecknology> blackboxsw: Oh, awesome! Thank-you!!
[04:50] <MTecknology> heh .. there's only instance-id, the locale being (re-)configured, and the user account that I don't want. It looks like it should be trivial to just not run this at first startup.
[18:10] <PeGaSuS> so, on a machine that was working perfectly and that I always keep updated, I'm getting: /usr/bin/ld: error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1: file too short
[18:11] <MTecknology> Did you check the file to validate it's unmodified?
[18:14] <PeGaSuS> I didn't modified it for sure.. reinstalling ibkeyutils1 throws a `dpkg: warning: symbolic link '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1' size has changed from 20 to 18`
[18:15] <PeGaSuS> libkeyutils1*
[18:16] <PeGaSuS> all I've been doing is `apt update` and `apt dist-upgrade` most of the time. is there any logs I can check about the libkeyutils1 package update or something like that?
[18:16] <PeGaSuS> this was while compiling weechat, which was last time compiled successfully on Feb 29
[18:23] <JanC> there is /var/log/dpkg.log*
[18:23] <JanC> and /var/log/apt/*
[18:26] <PeGaSuS> I don't seem to find anything with grep related to libkeyutils1
[18:26] <JanC> that would be really strange if you just tried to re-install it?
[18:27] <PeGaSuS> this is all I got: https://0bin.xyz/raw/DDHFT4IMR6EQY4VA2Z3CL7IMB4
[18:33] <PeGaSuS> this already happened on another VPS, but it had no data and I resinstalled Ubuntu
[18:33] <PeGaSuS> on this server, I can't do that. I have almost 200GB worth of data
[18:40] <PeGaSuS> the command `file /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1.9` returns: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1.9: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=ff27227afa5eeddccab180dd29bd7fcff94aea7c, stripped
[18:40] <PeGaSuS> seems to be okay?
[18:47] <MTecknology> which package is it from?
[18:48] <PeGaSuS> keyutils, probably?
[18:49] <MTecknology> dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1.9
[18:50] <PeGaSuS> this is what I got: libkeyutils1:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1.9
[18:51] <MTecknology> https://packages.ubuntu.com/mantic/amd64/libkeyutils1/filelist ... I thought that included checksums; it does not
[18:51] <MTecknology> but still ... you can download that file and be absolutely sure it's the exact same checksum
[18:53] <PeGaSuS> how do I check that?
[18:54] <PeGaSuS> because I have absolutely no idea on hoe to proceed
[18:55] <MTecknology> a) apt-get source libkeyutils1  b) http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/keyutils/keyutils_1.6.3-2.dsc  c) wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/keyutils/keyutils_1.6.3.orig.tar.gz && tar ..
[18:55] <JanC> there are checksums in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libkeyutils1\:amd64.md5sums
[18:55] <MTecknology> ^ that's better
[18:56] <PeGaSuS> gosh. this confuses me too much
[18:56] <JanC> 'debsums' is a tool you can use https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/debsums.1.html
[18:56] <MTecknology> Just because you don't remember modifying a file, doesn't mean you didn't do that at some point. If you're seeing similar behavior elsewhere, that's a good indication that it's not some random hardware hiccup
[18:57] <PeGaSuS> it happened on another VPS but no one was able to help and I reinstalled the OS
[18:57] <PeGaSuS> I can't do that here
[18:57] <JanC> also, did you try if re-installing that package helped?
[18:58] <PeGaSuS> tried in both cases to no avail
[18:58] <JanC> when compiling you would also need 'libkeyutils-dev' I presume
[18:59] <JanC> if it's a dependency
[19:00] <JanC> (but that seems unrelated)
[19:00] <PeGaSuS> wait. I need to build manually?
[19:00] <JanC> you said it happened while compiling weechat?
[19:02] <JanC> anyway, first use debsums to check if those files changed
[19:03] <PeGaSuS> sorry guys, but here's the thing: I have no idea how to use any of those tools, how to compile system packages, etc
[19:03] <JanC> ?
[19:04] <JanC> you don't have to build system packages
[19:07] <JanC> just install debsums and run: debsums libkeyutils1
[19:08] <PeGaSuS> it returned OK in all
[19:08] <PeGaSuS> (3 checks)
[19:09] <JanC> then at least those files weren't changed
[19:09] <JanC> do you still have the same problem you had at the start?
[19:11] <PeGaSuS> yes. can't compile weechat. I acn try to compile something else that failed on the other machine
[19:12] <PeGaSuS> weechat fails on "make": https://0bin.xyz/LS44PZWGRX7GC46WD5YTJIIJ3Q
[19:14] <PeGaSuS> weirdly, another program that failed on the other VPS doesn't fail now
[19:15] <JanC> what does the following command say: ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1
[19:17] <PeGaSuS> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Mar  7 20:02 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1 -> libkeyutils.so.1.9
[19:20] <PeGaSuS> 20:02 was the last time I've reinstalled libkeyutils1
[19:21] <JanC> what Ubuntu version is this?
[19:22] <PeGaSuS> Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
[19:22] <JanC> I wonder why the length of that is 20 instead of 18
[19:23] <PeGaSuS> no idea, tbh
[19:23] <oerheks> run a fsck ?
[19:23] <PeGaSuS> can I `fsck` with the server booted?
[19:23] <oerheks> i read back you triwed to reinstall, on the troubled machine?
[19:23] <oerheks> -w
[19:24] <PeGaSuS> yes, I did.. and it gave me a `dpkg: warning: symbolic link '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1' size has changed from 20 to 18`
[19:25] <sdeziel> 18 being the correct size, maybe that's OK
[19:25] <JanC> except it's still 20 on their system...
[19:25] <PeGaSuS> the issue came out of the blue, tbh
[19:26] <PeGaSuS> last time I've installed weechat, all was good. I can reboot the server but I doubt that it will change anything
[19:31] <JanC> I wonder if deleting that symlink before re-installing the package would fix it?
[19:31] <PeGaSuS> I'm open to any ideas
[19:32] <PeGaSuS> I'm assuming you're talking about /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1 ?
[19:32] <JanC> yes
[19:35] <PeGaSuS> nope. rm'ed it, used `apt install --reinstall libkeyutils1` to no avail
[19:36] <JanC> it recreates it with 20 as size?
[19:37] <PeGaSuS> yup, exactly
[19:37] <PeGaSuS> that's the size shown with `ls -l /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkeyutils.so.1`
[19:39] <PeGaSuS> I need to get dinner and I'll be back in a bit
[19:44] <JanC> I suppose the size might differ based on file system; do you use something other than ext4 ?
[19:48] <PeGaSuS> (I'm on phone) this is what I get with `df -T`: https://termbin.com/9fu6
[19:48] <PeGaSuS> shows /dev/md2 as ext4
[19:48] <PeGaSuS> (which is the main disk)
[20:24] <PeGaSuS> so, any other ideas folks?
[20:44] <rfm_> PeGaSuS, well, I'd be interested in seeing "readlink libkeyutils.so.1 | od -xc" to see what those extra two bytes contain.  But I'd still have no idea how they got there..
[20:47]  * MTecknology curl<EMAIL_ADDRESS>https://0x0.st
[20:52] <PeGaSuS> rfm_: https://termbin.com/ud8p
[20:54] <PeGaSuS> as for the curl command: https://filehost.0bin.xyz/O03iVcsBkMrG.1
[20:54] <PeGaSuS> couldn't upload to 0x0.st, getting "Segmentation fault"
[21:34] <PeGaSuS> I'm completely ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:49] <PeGaSuS> sorry guys, but my migraine is getting worse. I'll continue this tomorrow