[01:04] <Sgeo> Lubuntu is taking a distressingly long time to install under VirtualBox
[01:05] <lighta> do you have a good version ?
[01:06] <Sgeo> hm?
[01:07] <Sgeo> It seems to be stuck on "Switching to clocksource acpi pm"
[01:07] <Sgeo> Or a line under that, I can't tell in this small window
[01:07] <lighta> I had a similar problem with an install too, it was stuck on copying file
[01:08] <lighta> I just dl it again and it was ok
[01:08] <lighta> are you sure your's is correct ?
[01:08] <Sgeo> It installed properly in a different VM product
[01:09] <Sgeo> Oh, here we go, it's moving
[01:09] <lighta> ah ok, you think it's virtual box the issue ?
[01:09] <lighta> weird
[01:09] <Sgeo> I don't know
[01:09] <Sgeo> Maybe I'm just impatient
[01:09] <lighta> =)
[01:29] <Sgeo> It now appears to be stuck on Retrieving file 36 of 36
[01:38]  * Sgeo clicks Skip
[03:49] <loobuntu> hi, i'm having some trouble with freezes in lubuntu 10.10
[03:49] <loobuntu> i'm trying to figure out where to start my troubleshooting quest
[03:50] <loobuntu> i've read the X troubleshooting wiki page, but not seeing too much that helps.  most of it is for intel specific graphics
[03:51] <loobuntu> i have lubuntu installed on a dell latitude c600 notebook.  ati mobility m3 (r128), p3 1ghz, 512mb mem
[03:51] <loobuntu> are there some logs I should be checking first?  the system completely locks up requiring a power-cycle in order to reboot
[05:39] <JoeMofknDotTab> is anyone around to walk me through a install I keep getting errors its an old computer so its slow
[05:40] <JoeMofknDotTab> I just got ubi-partman failed with exit code127
[05:45] <head_victim> JoeMofknDotTab: how are you going about it and how old in the computer?
[05:46] <JoeMofknDotTab> oh it a hp 513w
[05:47] <head_victim> Ok and how much ram do you have in it?
[05:48] <JoeMofknDotTab> 256 but it says 254 its weird because I can get red hat 7.3 to boot and work but no lubuntu
[05:49] <head_victim> Well my suggestion with that setup is to use the alternate or mini installation
[05:49] <head_victim> The mini installation instructions are available at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall and the alternate installation instructions are https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/AlternateInstall
[05:50] <JoeMofknDotTab> ok I'll give them a try
[05:50] <JoeMofknDotTab> thank you
[05:50] <head_victim> No worries :)
[05:50] <head_victim> It should run fine but the graphical installer can be a bit heavy sometimes
[05:52] <JoeMofknDotTab> yeah I though that's what it might be but I'm still new to linux so I am alittle worried about the text install
[05:53] <head_victim> Ahhh yeah that's fair enough, those pages have step by step instructions so you should be right
[06:00] <JoeMofknDotTab> thanks again I'll give it a go in the morning
[12:44] <W-ezyr-ke> Ola penguinz
[12:53] <MrChrisDruif> Ola W-ezyr-ke
[12:55] <W-ezyr-ke> I love lubuntu and lightweight window managers too
[12:55] <W-ezyr-ke> I hate KDE.   The syntax for that command is: part <channel>
[14:00] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[14:05] <Mossyfunk> hello >_>
[14:10] <Mossyfunk> If anyones around... trying to boot up lubuntu to install on laptop celeron 192mb ram.... it just sticks at the loading screen for hours.... should i wait? or maybe it's having a hissy fit detecting hardware...
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> Mossyfunk: I think it's due to your memory....it's too little for the installer....use the mini-iso I would say :)
[14:12] <Mossyfunk> yeah thought as much... dang
[14:12] <Mossyfunk> mini iso just downloads everything else off the net no?
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> Ubiquity needs about 256MB, Lubuntu itself is lighter
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I think it does...
[14:13] <Mossyfunk> i really wish it just had a lightweight installer rather than booting the live system everytime hehe
[14:14] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know IF they are working on it, but I guess they will/should
[14:14] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing the installer needs more than the OS <_<"
[14:15] <Mossyfunk> do you mean the ubuntu mini iso and just install lubuntu package or is there one specifically for lubuntu?
[14:15] <Mossyfunk> yeah its a little backwards haha
[14:16] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I'm looking for the link...( phillw: I thought you had that link lying around)
[14:17] <Mossyfunk> ahh found it
[14:18] <Mossyfunk> uploaded by fritte =D
[14:18] <MrChrisDruif> You did? Where? :D
[14:18] <Mossyfunk> http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=03ab482f1b213306f8145c6e45494eaef9bbdb61
[14:18] <Mossyfunk> 1 seed hehe
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> Direct download instead of torrent
[14:20] <MrChrisDruif> And also the instructions to install :)
[14:21] <Mossyfunk> ahhh brilliant thankyou =)
[14:22] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[15:19] <LinoSP|net> is still 160 MB of RAM enough to install lubuntu 10.10?
[15:22] <bioterror> with mini.iso or alternate yes
[15:22] <phillw> LinoSP|net: you will need to use minimal install or alternate cd version, ubiquity needs 192MB
[15:22] <bioterror> but I moar RAM is needed
[15:22] <bioterror> I think
[15:23] <JoeMaverickSett> LinoSP|net: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[15:23] <bioterror> when you boot, system takes ~80-90MB of RAM
[15:23] <phillw> soz bioterror I was just passing by, I'll leave him to your tender mercies :)
[15:24] <LinoSP|net> I used 160 of RAM  gui instalation with 10.04
[15:24] <bioterror> "when you run out of RAM, swap comes in" :D
[15:48] <hec> how to add a appplication to start al login (granola)
[16:04] <davidgroves> I am new to Lubuntu, can someone tell me how to get my trash can onto my desktop?
[16:06] <davidgroves> ??
[16:23] <LinoSP|net> hi is it posible to have compiz effects working in lubuntu 10.10    someone in ubuntu-es is telling me that is not possible
[16:29] <bioterror> LinoSP|net, it is possible
[16:29] <bioterror> but is there really any benefits?
[16:30] <bioterror> lots of questions and easy to answer
[16:32] <LinoSP|net> yeah  i was trying to activate it    "like the ubuntu way"   but  i obtain windows without borders
[16:32] <bioterror> you need emerald for that
[16:32] <LinoSP|net> and compiz -- replace doesnt help
[16:32] <LinoSP|net> i c
[16:34] <raechl> is anyone around?
[16:34] <bioterror> y
[16:35] <raechl> hey mate
[16:35] <bioterror> how's ol good mossy
[16:35] <bioterror> havent seen you for a while
[16:35] <Mossyfunk> good mate... chucking lubuntu on my girls laptop hehe
[16:35] <bioterror> :D
[16:35] <Mossyfunk> offtopic
[16:35] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ do some tweaks ;)
[16:36] <Mossyfunk> sweet i'll have a look
[16:37] <Mossyfunk> I installed from mini iso now synaptic keeps telling me i have the wrong password... any ideas?
[16:38] <bioterror> what's wrong-)
[16:40] <Mossyfunk> just booted into the new system and every time i start synaptic it asks me for password... i put in the password for the user account like usual and it tells me its wrong
[16:40] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:40] <bioterror> can you use that password with sudo then?
[16:41] <Mossyfunk> yeah i used sudo apt-get to install the system
[16:41] <Mossyfunk> started from the mini iso
[16:41] <bioterror> change the password and check if it fixes that
[16:43] <Mossyfunk> nope =/
[16:47] <jmarsden> LinoSP|net: See Dwarsifar's article about 64but Lubuntu, he talks about Compiz and emerald setup about half way down the page: http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442
[17:06] <craigbass1976> I keep losing my title bar up underneath LXDE's top panel.  Anyone else experiencing this
[17:07] <craigbass1976> I've got to move the panel to the left side, drag my window down a bit, then put the panel back
[17:58] <bioterror> craigbass1976, what
[18:00] <bioterror> sounds really weird
[18:01] <craigbass1976> bioterror, every once in a while, a window will some how end up so that the title bar is up underneath the top panel (the panel with my "start" menu and "quick launchers")
[18:01] <bioterror> yes
[18:01] <bioterror> I can drag my terminal under the panel :D
[18:01] <craigbass1976> I just wondered if there was a faster way to get at them (to drag) without having to first moe the pqanel
[18:02] <craigbass1976> and I wonder if there's some app that helps with fat-fingering too...  :)
[18:02] <bioterror> craigbass1976, you can press alt and then some where in the window press mouse button 1 and move window
[18:02] <bioterror> you dont have to grab window from title bar to be able to move it
[18:02] <craigbass1976> bioterror, brilliant
[18:03] <craigbass1976> I didn't know that.
[18:03] <bioterror> so it solves your problem?-)
[18:03] <craigbass1976> It does.  Now I wonder how the blazes they get stuffed up ther ein the first place
[18:03] <bioterror> hard to say
[19:20] <NRWlion> somebody there to help me with my first steps of lubuntu?
[19:24] <NRWlion> wb mark!
[19:28] <bioterror> NRWlion, some issues?
[19:28] <NRWlion> some? ^^ first time after four years of Win Support
[19:28] <NRWlion> i
[19:28] <NRWlion> I
[19:28] <NRWlion> I'm sick of windows ... want to have a small system for my office and audio work
[19:29] <NRWlion> but audio doesnt work :(
[19:29] <NRWlion> and my knowledge of linux is damn small
[19:29] <bioterror> open terminal
[19:29] <bioterror> then say "alsamixer" without ""
[19:29] <NRWlion> done
[19:29] <bioterror> and check if you have any MM
[19:30] <NRWlion> MM?
[19:30] <bioterror> MM= Muted
[19:30] <bioterror> http://www.javipas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/alsamixer.jpg
[19:30] <NRWlion> jap. got LFE Line and Mic Boost MM
[19:31] <bioterror> hmm
[19:31] <NRWlion> to specify things: my problem is TEAMSPEAK, i need it for community work via the web
[19:32] <bioterror> ahh
[19:32] <bioterror> otherwise your sound works?
[19:32] <NRWlion> jeps
[19:32] <NRWlion> just checked it my own
[19:34] <bioterror> I have no experience with team speak
[19:35] <NRWlion> someone else?
[19:37] <NRWlion> @terror: something similar to mumble
[19:37] <meetingology> NRWlion: Error: "terror:" is not a valid command.
[19:37] <NRWlion> @bioterror: something similar to mumble
[19:37] <meetingology> NRWlion: Error: "bioterror:" is not a valid command.
[19:38] <bioterror> I use phone when want to hear someones voice who's not close to me :D
[19:38] <bioterror> skype seems to have too some prolems with audio
[19:38] <NRWlion> year but conferences with dozens of people are not cheap ^^
[19:39] <NRWlion> audacity as well :(
[19:39] <NRWlion> those to softwares I need the most
[19:39] <bioterror> I dont have any problems with audacity
[19:39] <bioterror> I've edited ringtones to my phones
[19:40] <NRWlion> but something else: how long is #lubuntu already working? because the german translations are not completed
[19:40] <tupper_tom> just got back from holidays, what do i use to run a slideshow in Lubuntu?
[19:40] <bioterror> NRWlion, you can take part in traslating
[19:40] <NRWlion> already thinking of ^^
[19:41] <NRWlion> but my girl is already standing behind me and argueing that i might have less time than i already have :D
[19:41] <bioterror> hahaha
[19:41] <bioterror> I feel you
[19:41] <bioterror> my daughter also complains to me about doing things on computer, learned from my wife
[19:42] <NRWlion> mind if we go querry ?
[19:42] <bioterror> you can join #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:42] <bioterror> tupper_tom, what's slideshow?
[19:43] <tupper_tom> just something to view my picture as a slideshow
[19:43] <bioterror> like an application to watch pictures as slideshow
[19:43] <tupper_tom> yes
[19:44] <NRWlion> what does "Error opening playback device: could not open playback device" mean?
[19:44] <bioterror> that there's no device for playback
[19:45] <NRWlion> how can I change that?
[19:45] <bioterror> NRWlion, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=953083
[19:46] <bioterror> tupper_tom, you can use gthumb for example
[19:47] <bioterror> or gqview
[19:47] <bioterror> those as slideshow, for example
[19:47] <tupper_tom> bioterror, ok thanks
[19:47] <bioterror> I would go for the gqview
[19:48] <bioterror> as it's not gnome ;)
[19:48] <tupper_tom> ya i was surprised that gpicview didn't have a plugin
[19:54] <NRWlion> since when is Lubuntu active? havent heard about it till one week ago when i go interested in knoppix using the same desktop
[19:55] <bioterror> since 2009
[19:57] <NRWlion> kay. and how big is the community atm?
[20:01] <bioterror> not too big ;)
[20:02] <NRWlion> guess you're part of the team, right?
[20:03] <bioterror> some sort of support guy I am, I think
[20:03] <NRWlion> and how does work in this community "work"?
[20:03] <NRWlion> meaning: how much time are you guys spending in this community?
[20:04] <bioterror> depends
[20:04] <NRWlion> on what?


[09:54] <sukkerry>  i'm new person in this channel and not very good in english hopely understand
[15:57]  * skaet waves
[15:57]  * ara waves
[15:57] <roadmr> heey!
[15:57] <skaet> hiya ara,  you representing hardware certifiacation this week?
[15:57] <ara> skaet, yes
[15:58] <skaet> ara,  coolio,  you see the note about the new format we'll be trying?
[15:58] <ara> skaet, yep;
[15:58] <cjwatson> hi
[15:58] <skaet> :)
[15:58] <skaet> hiya cjwatson
[15:59]  * stgraber waves
[15:59] <mdeslaur> hi!
[15:59] <pitti> hello
[16:00] <ogasawara> o/
[16:00]  * skaet sees quorum gathering and says hello to all...  time to start.
[16:00] <Riddell> hi
[16:00] <gilir> hi :)
[16:00]  * ogra_ lurks
[16:00] <arosales> Hello
[16:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar  9 16:00:37 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:00] <highvoltage> bonjour
[16:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[16:01] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
[16:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[16:01] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-09
[16:01] <skaet>  Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[16:01] <skaet>  #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet>  Schedule is at:
[16:01] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[16:01] <skaet>  #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Thank you for your help getting Beta 1 out the door!
[16:01] <skaet> We remain in UserInterfaceFreeze and FeatureFreeze.
[16:01] <skaet>  .
[16:01] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - Beta Freeze at 2100 UTC
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - DocumentationStringFreeze at 2100 UTC
[16:01] <skaet> • 2012/03/29 - Beta 2
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet>  Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[16:01] <skaet>  #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[16:01] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[16:01] <skaet> .
[16:01] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[16:01] <skaet> Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000922.html- ara
[16:02] <skaet> Quality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000916.html - jibel
[16:02] <skaet> Security team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000926.html - mdeslaur
[16:02] <skaet> Kernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000917.html - ogasawara
[16:02] <skaet> Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000928.html-  cjwatson
[16:02] <skaet> Server - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000919.html- arosales
[16:02] <skaet> Linaro - no update received  - fabo
[16:02] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000927.html -  joshuahoover
[16:02] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000920.html - pitti
[16:02] <skaet> Unity Framework Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000925.html - dbarth
[16:02] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000923.html - Cimi
[16:02] <skaet> Kubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000932.html- Riddell
[16:02] <skaet> Edubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000918.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[16:02] <skaet> Xubuntu - no update received - madnick
[16:02] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000931.html - scott-work
[16:02] <skaet> Lubuntu  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000929.html - gilir
[16:02] <skaet> Mythbu
[16:02] <skaet> hmm... looks like I hit a buffer limit there.  getting the rest..
[16:02] <skaet> Mythbuntu - no update received - superm1
[16:02] <skaet> .
[16:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Question and Answer Session
[16:02] <fabo> skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000935.html
[16:03] <skaet> thanks fabo.   :)
[16:03] <fabo> xubuntu: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000937.html
[16:03] <skaet> I'll start it off with first question,  anyone have questions about the format for this week?
[16:03]  * dbarth waves
[16:04] <pitti> shoudl be quite a bit faster this way
[16:04] <pitti> and also encourages people to send detailled reports in time
[16:04] <skaet> :)  am hoping so.
[16:04] <skaet> ..
[16:04] <pitti> o/
[16:04] <cjwatson> o/
[16:04] <skaet> go pitti
[16:04] <pitti> does anyone know the status of packaging the lightdm greeter? micahg, gilir?
[16:05] <Riddell> working great here, we are using it in kubuntu active
[16:05] <gilir> pitti, I know micahg was working on it, no news since some days
[16:05] <Riddell> presumably you mean a gtk greeter
[16:05] <pitti> yes, lightdm-gtk-greeter
[16:06] <pitti> it's been NBS for months now
[16:06] <pitti> or one month -- at least way longer than it ought to be
[16:06] <gilir> pitti, he's busy, I can finish the work next week
[16:06] <cjwatson> right, that's been bothering me too
[16:06] <gilir> (if he is busy)
[16:06] <gilir> just need to know if he is close to upload :)
[16:06] <pitti> ..
[16:06] <skaet> o/ (me queueing up for after cjwatson ;) )
[16:06] <skaet> cjwatson go..
[16:07] <Riddell> o/
[16:07] <Daviey> o/
[16:07] <gilir> ..
[16:07] <cjwatson> Riddell: could somebody from Kubuntu have a look at Steve's proposed fix for bug 901638 and make sure it actually works?  we'd like to clear this bug out of the way
[16:07] <cjwatson> ..
[16:07] <pitti> . o O { meeting bot should have a #next function }
[16:08] <Riddell> cjwatson: can do, probably not today though but monday sure
[16:08] <cjwatson> great, thank you
[16:08]  * skaet thinks that #next would be useful here too... hmmm
[16:08] <skaet> .. ?
[16:09] <cjwatson> yes
[16:09] <skaet> pitti,  in Cimi's update, there are some features he's asking if a FFe is needed for,  some of them strike me as cleanup/logical extensions of an approved feature - what do you think?
[16:09] <skaet> * GMenuModel support in HUD/Appmenus
[16:09] <skaet>    - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/924007
[16:09] <skaet> * Improved support for XUL applications
[16:09] <skaet>   - https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/921231
[16:09] <skaet> ..
[16:09] <pitti> skaet: will look at the bugs and answer there, to do this async
[16:09] <pitti> ..
[16:09] <Cimi> hx
[16:09] <skaet> thanks pitti.
[16:09] <skaet> ..
[16:09] <pitti> neither of them are FFEs
[16:09] <skaet> Riddell go
[16:09] <Riddell> actually just a statement
[16:10] <Riddell> I have a pandboard that works now..
[16:10] <ogra_> \o/
[16:10] <skaet> \o/  :)
[16:10] <Riddell> but it only works on oneiric, precise images don't work
[16:10] <Riddell> so more debugging needed with ogra_ and his friends :)
[16:10] <ogra_> :)
[16:10] <ogra_> you know where to find me
[16:10] <Riddell> oh I had another question
[16:10] <ogra_> ..
[16:10] <Riddell> how was Beta 1 for everyone?
[16:11] <stgraber> pretty good, besides the manual partitioning exploding because of gtk/atk/... it seems to have worked quite nicely (from an Ubuntu and Edubuntu point of view)
[16:11] <stgraber> ..
[16:12] <skaet> Mythbuntu got hit with the API change that lubuntu worked around.  :(
[16:12] <Riddell> groovy, appologies to those flavours I randomly deleted packages from, thanks to micahg and others for fixing that
[16:12] <pitti> Riddell: you did a fine job keeping up with the steps and all the images
[16:12] <skaet> Riddell,   +1  - thanks for all your help last week.  :)
[16:13] <Riddell> ..
[16:13] <skaet> o/
[16:13] <skaet> Daviey go
[16:14] <Daviey> Hey!
[16:14] <Daviey> I'd like to consider bug 950936
[16:14] <Daviey> i'd like hallyn's input, but wondered if anyone else was nervous about it
[16:14] <skaet> Daviey, yeah, I fall into the camp of a bit nervous.
[16:15] <Daviey> EOM
[16:15] <Daviey> ..
[16:16] <skaet> would need to know more info though.  seems an area for suprises - what sort of testing has been done on it already?
[16:16] <skaet> ..
[16:16] <stgraber> it's not going to break anything by default at least and it sounds a bit weird turning on nesting in kvm and not exposing the flag to the guests
[16:16] <stgraber> (as in, kvm simply doesn't work in VMs on intel at the moment, so can't go a lot worse)
[16:16] <stgraber> ..
[16:16] <Daviey> stgraber: right, upstream has it enabled for SVM, but not VMX
[16:17] <Daviey> stgraber: it doesn't?!
[16:17] <skaet> stgraber, heh,  didn't realize that.
[16:17] <Daviey> oh, kvm you mean
[16:17] <Daviey> right
[16:17] <Daviey> i'll hold off for hallyn's input.. but just wanted it known, i was considering it
[16:17]  * skaet nods
[16:18] <skaet> .. ?
[16:18] <Daviey> ..
[16:18] <skaet> dbarth: when will unity 5.8 and unity-2d 5.8 be landing (not seeing in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule)?   any other updates before beta 2 freeze anticipated?
[16:19] <Cimi> skaet, unity 22th march
[16:19] <arosales> o/
[16:19] <Cimi> not sure of unity-2d, guess the same date or before
[16:19] <skaet> Cimi, do you have projected dates for the rest of your FFe/UIFe's landing?
[16:20] <Cimi> skaet, FFe:
[16:20] <Cimi> 1) LIM maybe not landing
[16:20] <Cimi> 2) overlay scrollbars code done - waiting reviews
[16:21] <dbarth> skaet: not planned yet sorry, i estimate after the beta freeze, otherwise we'll be too short for another round of testing
[16:21] <Cimi> 3) utouch work I guess will be proposed next week
[16:21] <dbarth> skaet: there's no more feature dev. or important changes, it's really about nailing the high and criticals down
[16:21] <Cimi> potential UIFe but I just have heard of it, need to double check
[16:22] <skaet> thanks Cimi.
[16:22] <Cimi> skaet, we're doing weekly releases for the rest of the projects
[16:22] <Cimi> skaet, releasing bugfixes
[16:22] <Cimi> and only them
[16:22] <skaet> thanks Cimi (and appreciate the bug fixes.  ;) )
[16:22] <Cimi> you have to thanks engineers :-)
[16:23] <skaet> :)
[16:23] <skaet> thanks dbarth.   Ok,  will keep an eye on that ReleaseSchedule - please ping me offline if something changes.
[16:23] <skaet> ..
[16:23] <skaet> arosales go
[16:23]  * arosales is a bit new to the MIR and release process, apologies.
[16:23] <arosales>  Is 64 MIR requests (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mir_ normal for this point in the release?
[16:24] <arosales> ..
[16:24] <Daviey> heh.
[16:24] <dbarth> skaet: actually for the 22 (checked with didrocks); will update the schedule accordingly
[16:24] <Daviey> There are still more to come, i fear.
[16:24] <skaet> cjwatson, pitti, ^ care to give some historical perspective.
[16:24] <skaet> ?
[16:25] <Daviey> Many of the are blocked on security review, they are rightly overwhelmed.  Not much we can do about that.
[16:25] <Daviey> jdstrand's team are working as hard as they can.
[16:25] <pitti> historically we didn't use to have that many after FF
[16:25] <pitti> but 64 is a bit absurd indeed
[16:25] <stgraber> quite a few seem to cover multiple packages, some others are for baltix and shouldn't appear in the list at all, still a pretty long list though
[16:25] <pitti> many of them are quite old, though
[16:25] <stgraber> ..
[16:25] <arosales> Daviey: +1 on jdstrand's team working as hard as they can.
[16:26] <Daviey> The lion share is server :(
[16:26] <Daviey> Many of our requirements landed rather late this cycle.
[16:26] <pitti> and e. g. bug 932833 has a dozen tasks alone
[16:26] <Daviey> One, jdstrand's team did.. for a whole new upstream rewrite to happen, which invalidated it
[16:28] <Daviey> jdstrand has been cracking them out tho, starting yesterday :)
[16:28] <mdeslaur> jdstrand is *awesome* :)
[16:28] <skaet> +1 :)
[16:28] <jdstrand> wow, my hilight is on fire :)
[16:28]  * jdstrand is trying
[16:29] <arosales> keep rocking it jdstrand
[16:29] <jdstrand> thanks :)
[16:29] <skaet> .. ? arosales
[16:29] <arosales> Thanks for the background information
[16:29] <arosales> ..
[16:30]  * skaet not seeing any queued up questions, so going ahead and asking another of hers
[16:30] <ScottK> \o
[16:30] <skaet> tumbleweed or Laney - how go the universe FTBFS?
[16:31] <skaet> ..
[16:31] <skaet> hmm.. may not be around
[16:31] <skaet> go ScottK
[16:31] <ScottK> There's more than a fair number of removal and component move bugs queued up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive.  Could someone with powerz have a look?
[16:32] <stgraber> ScottK: +1
[16:32] <ScottK> Also there's an FFe pending for syslog-ng that it seems like if we are going to do it we should do it soon.  Could someone who understands a bit about syslog have a look at that one?
[16:32] <ScottK> Bug 950799
[16:33] <Daviey> o/
[16:33] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks for the quick turn-around on the D-I hostname fix.
[16:33] <ScottK> Daviey: Thanks.
[16:33] <cjwatson> np
[16:33] <Daviey> oops, what did i sign up for? :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> yeah, I can have a look at archive bugs, I guess.
[16:33] <skaet> ScottK,  will see if we can get the removal and component moves tamed.    I'll see if I can help.
[16:33] <ScottK> Thanks cjwatson.
[16:33] <ScottK> Daviey: I thought you were volunteering for the syslog-ng FFe.
[16:34] <Daviey> ScottK: Happy to review it, yes
[16:34] <ScottK> Great.
[16:34] <ScottK> ..
[16:34] <skaet> Thanks Daviey, cjwatson.  :)
[16:34] <skaet> Daviey did you have a comment/question - or were you volunteering?
[16:34] <Daviey> skaet: both
[16:34] <skaet> go then Daviey
[16:34] <Daviey> I noticed there were a few commitsunder the name 'cdimage'
[16:35] <Daviey> It doesn't seem ideal to have anonymous changes :(
[16:35] <cjwatson> Don't Do That Then :)
[16:35] <Daviey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[16:35] <Daviey> cjwatson: this is what i am saying.
[16:35] <Daviey> :)
[16:35] <cjwatson> people should be checking out the code on their laptops and working there.  It's what I've told every single person I've ever advised regarding cdimage code access.
[16:36] <cjwatson> (I'm vociferously agreeing)
[16:36] <Daviey> groovy :)
[16:36] <Daviey> ..
[16:37] <cjwatson> Riddell: ^- I think that was you, from the character of the changes?
[16:37] <Riddell> very likely
[16:37] <cjwatson> please do not do that
[16:38] <cjwatson> I can help you with the setup if you need it
[16:38] <Riddell> yes sorry, the ways to edit those are very unclear and infinity and slangasek had different ideas
[16:38] <Riddell> but anyway I should set the commit name for sure
[16:38] <cjwatson> no, please do not commit on nusakan
[16:38] <cjwatson> I'll hack up the cdimage account there to disable it if I have to, but would rather not :)
[16:39] <ogra_> unless you do it in a local branch in your homedir :)
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'll help you get it set up
[16:40] <Daviey> cjwatson: commiting on nusakan isn't a problem, if you branch to ~ and set your whoami, right?
[16:40] <pitti> I did a commit as "pitti" in my checkout on nusakan (in ~pitti, not ~cdimage), and merged back
[16:40] <ogra_> Daviey, thats what i do
[16:40] <pitti> that was what Steve or Adam recommended
[16:40] <Daviey> ogra_: i noticed :)
[16:40] <Riddell> see what I mean?  very unclear
[16:40] <Daviey> well, commiting as cdimage on the live code, isn't right
[16:40] <ogra_> Riddell, we aere all saying the same in different words :)
[16:40] <Daviey> Anything else sounds ok, right cjwatson ?
[16:41] <cjwatson> please work on your development system, not on nusakan
[16:41] <Daviey> cjwatson: can you explain concerns?
[16:41] <cjwatson> doing it in your home directory isn't such a problem but I would still strongly prefer people not to do it
[16:41] <cjwatson> nusakan is a production system not a development system; even though we admittedly don't have a clear separation
[16:41] <cjwatson> but it's a bad habit to get into
[16:41] <Daviey> ok
[16:42] <cjwatson> I will document it
[16:42] <skaet> thanks cjwatson. :)
[16:42]  * skaet looking around for any other hands
[16:42] <skaet> did I miss anyone?
[16:43]  * skaet guesses not,  okie... time to end the meeting
[16:43] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar  9 16:43:49 2012 UTC.
[16:43] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-09-16.00.moin.txt
[16:43] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-09-16.00.html
[16:43] <pitti> thanks everyone
[16:43] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[16:44] <pitti> I liked this style better
[16:44] <Cimi> thanks skaet
[16:44] <Cimi> pitti, and we saved a lot of time :D
[16:44] <Daviey> skaet: good meeting, thanks!
[16:44] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[16:44] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, ara, jdstrand, jibel, mdeslaur, ogasawara, cjwatson, arosales, Daviey, fabo, pitti, dbarth, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, ScottK,  gilir, micahg
[16:45] <mdeslaur> yes, this new format was nice!
[16:45] <cjwatson> agreed
[16:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[16:45] <ScottK> Someone should tell the powerpc builds to peddle faster.  I had builds with 15 hours to wait when I went to bed last night and 18 hours when I woke up this morning.
[16:45] <stgraber> quite enjoyed the new format too
[16:45]  * ScottK too
[16:45] <pitti> ScottK: amen
[16:45] <pitti> ScottK: it was worse today, they had some three gcc versions to buildl
[16:45]  * ScottK thinks we dind't highlight jdstrand enough though.
[16:45] <mdeslaur> ScottK: did someone forget to feed the hamster again? :)
[16:45] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: jdstrand jdstrand
[16:45] <skaet> ScottK,  re: powerpc,  still hoping for that faster machine to be installed.... but it hasn't been...
[16:45] <ScottK> pitti: I think there were three of them (one from a PPA)  and a kernel.
[16:46]  * ScottK nods
[16:46] <jdstrand> stop! :P
[16:46] <ScottK> OK everyone.  jdstrand says to stop.
[16:46] <ScottK> ;-)
[16:46] <jdstrand> :)
[16:46] <skaet> :)
[16:46]  * pitti hugs jdstrand
[16:47]  * jdstrand hugs pitti, mdeslaur, arosales, Daviey, skaet and ScottK
[16:47] <jdstrand> I think I snagged everyone :)
[16:47] <arosales> :-)
[16:48] <arosales> Thanks for moderating skaet
[16:50] <Daviey> 3 cheers for jdstrand
[16:50] <Daviey> hip hip
[16:58] <cjwatson> ScottK: the RT on the third powerpc buildd has actually been making progress: they've moved packages.ubuntu.com off it, and they've set up a machine which will take over ns2.canonical.com
[16:58] <ScottK> cjwatson: Cool.
[16:58] <ScottK> We could certainly use it.


[05:52] <hikiko> hi
[08:03] <pitti> Good morning
[08:56] <flexiondotorg> Morning hikiko pitti
[08:57] <willcooke> good morning all
[09:03] <Laney> doh
[09:04]  * pitti waves to Britannica; hello flexiondotorg, willcooke, and Laney!
[09:04] <Laney> I was out of the hive mind
[09:04] <Laney> argh!
[09:04] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:05] <pitti> must have been a really relaxing weekend :)
[09:05] <Laney> the hosting provider did a planned reboot
[09:06] <willcooke> hey Laney pitti
[09:06] <Laney> ho hum
[09:06] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:06] <Laney> willcooke: pitti: good weekends?
[09:06] <Laney> it is m-o-i-s-t
[09:07] <hikiko> hi pitti flexiondotorg willcooke Laney
[09:07]  * Laney got woken up by some rain tinging down the chimney
[09:07] <pitti> oh yes, it finally got sunny again, and nice and relaxing
[09:07] <Laney> need to get that thing capped off
[09:07] <Laney> hi hikiko!
[09:07] <Laney> pitti: http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ng5
[09:07] <pitti> I met a prospective Debian developer from Augsburg yesterday, and we had a nice beersigning
[09:07] <Laney> oh nice
[09:07] <pitti> Laney: *tsk* you guys should have voted for exiting the cloud zone instead :)
[09:07]  * Laney has done a couple of those
[09:08] <Laney> it's nice when they are still keen ;-)
[09:10] <pitti> feh, so how do I check a photo ID on a GPG key
[09:11] <pitti> gpg --show-photos wants xloadimage (seriously?!), and seahorse says "pgp/seahorse-gpgme-key-op.c: line 2420 (photoid_load_transit): should not be reached"
[09:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:11] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[09:11] <willcooke> morning seb128
[09:11] <seb128> hey willcooke pitti Laney
[09:12] <seb128> how is everyone?
[09:12] <pitti> quite well indeed, thanks! had a nice and calm weekend; comment vas-tu ?
[09:14] <tjaalton> zesty lightdm seems unhappy, I only get a square viewport on top left corner, rest is blank
[09:15] <pitti> tjaalton: is that after first boot, or changing user?
[09:15] <seb128> is that a new issue? it didn't change since octobre
[09:15] <tjaalton> pitti: first boot
[09:15] <Laney> pitti: --photo-viewer or similar
[09:15] <pitti> ok, then not https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/lightdm/cleanup-session/+merge/310758
[09:15] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:16] <Laney> doing good! you?
[09:16] <tjaalton> seb128: I upgraded on friday but didn't boot until now
[09:16] <tjaalton> reboot
[09:16] <seb128> doing good as well!
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien
[09:16] <seb128> nice relaxing sunday in France
[09:17] <seb128> there for the week
[09:17] <Sweet5hark> moin
[09:18] <Laney> seb128: back to vote in that republican thing? ;-)
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: ah, très bien -- le temps là-bas fait mieux que aux Pays-Bas ?
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, indeed!
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, moins de vent mais il pleut
[09:18] <tjaalton> I can log in, but unity thinks the desktop is 4x larger, I see no indicators and the ctrl-alt-del popup is in the middle of the "huge virtual desktop" so I only see a part of it on the right corner
[09:19] <Laney> end of your 35 hour week is coming
[09:19] <seb128> tjaalton, sounds like an xorg issue
[09:19] <Laney> muhahah
[09:19] <seb128> lol
[09:19] <tjaalton> seb128: nothing changed there ;)
[09:19] <seb128> time to move to a better country! ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> tjaalton, well something must have changed, maybe kernel?
[09:20] <tjaalton> still 4.8
[09:20] <seb128> so nothing changed
[09:20] <seb128> and still it behaves differently?
[09:20] <tjaalton> yes, I'll try poke something
[09:21] <seb128> can you share your apt.log?
[09:22] <seb128> or dpkg log
[09:22] <seb128> something must have changed
[09:29] <tjaalton> yeah trying, too big for pastebinit
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128 willcooke Sweet5hark
[09:30] <Laney> sup flexiondotorg
[09:30] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:30] <Laney> how was the ubucon?
[09:30] <Laney> that was this weekend right?
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> UbuCon was marvelous!
[09:31] <willcooke> hey flexiondotorg!
[09:31] <seb128> oh, I had forgotten about that one
[09:31] <seb128> nice
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> Extremely well organised. High quality talks. Amazing venue. Very friendly crowd. Great food. German beer.
[09:32] <Laney> Notice how the beer isn't described as "great", but "German"
[09:32] <flexiondotorg> Synonymous
[09:33] <seb128> :-)
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> Planning for next year is already under, it will be in Paris.
[09:34] <Laney> That'll be nice
[09:34] <seb128> I slightly disagree with german beer being synonymous with great
[09:34]  * Laney has only seen the various Parisian train stations
[09:34] <seb128> oh, nice
[09:34] <Laney> (brb)
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> And the French LoCo team are incredible.
[09:34] <flexiondotorg> The events they have organised recently are creative, both in terms of venue (massive music festivals) and how they promote Ubuntu at the events.
[09:36] <flexiondotorg> I finally got to meet everyone from the French, Spanish, Portuguese and German teams this weekend. All of whom I've had some involvement with. So really nice to meet them all and put faces to names.
[09:42] <seb128> how many people were there at ubucon?
[09:48] <didrocks> hey guys! :)
[09:48] <seb128> re didrocks ;-)
[09:48] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: I bet you have a rpi(2 or 3) handy, correct? :)
[09:48] <flexiondotorg> About 7
[09:48] <didrocks> ahah :)
[09:49] <flexiondotorg> WHat can I help with?
[09:49] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: do you mind installing libopencv-dev on one of them and run pkg-config --static --cflags --libs opencv
[09:49] <flexiondotorg> On the classic Ubuntu for Pi?
[09:50] <didrocks> yeah
[09:51] <didrocks> I just want the flags for Pi
[09:51] <didrocks> (or armhf, in general)
[09:52] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll get one going now. I don't have the classic image, so I'll just grab it.
[09:52] <didrocks> thx!
[09:55] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: oh, also, mind doing the same with just pkg-config --cflags --libs opencv?
[09:55] <didrocks> (without --static)
[09:56] <flexiondotorg> Sure
[09:57] <didrocks> thx again :)
[11:10] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, Pi installed and updating...
[11:25]  * desrt reaches that "do i accept global state to simplify my program?" point
[11:29] <willcooke> desrt, not a good place to be on a Monday
[11:29] <willcooke> :)
[11:29] <desrt> not a bad place to be, per se
[11:30] <flexiondotorg> Morning desrt
[11:30] <desrt> it means that the code is still clean enough that i can legitimately worry about these kinds of things :)
[11:30] <desrt> moin
[11:50] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, I just checked the pi, it is still installing libopencv-dev et al
[12:09] <flexiondotorg> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23511385/
[12:24] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: excellent! thanks a million :)
[13:38]  * flexiondotorg gets lunch
[13:41]  * Laney is hungry but is also fighting with clouds
[13:41] <Laney> clouds win for onw
[13:41] <Laney> now
[13:50]  * Laney accidentally gets called/emailed/texted/slapped in the face by pagerduty
[13:51] <Laney> at least that demonstrates that it's working ...
[13:55] <davmor2> Laney: the clouds will always win, there are more of them, they cover the globe, they contain water/hail/snow depending on the conditions, trust me you just ain't gonna win honest ;)
[13:55] <Laney> davmor2: I think this one contains acid rain
[13:56] <Laney> man it looks seriously nasty outside
[13:56] <davmor2> Laney: see worse still, fight the ground instead it's easier to hit ;)
[13:56] <Laney> storm angus you little fiend
[13:57] <willcooke> it's proper grim here.  Feels like about 5pm
[13:58] <Laney> indeed
[13:58] <Laney> well, asgen is now running in the production environment (not switched over yet)
[13:59] <Laney> just needs one dns change to make that happen
[13:59]  * Laney will keep a beady eye on it for a bit, then do that later if it's okay
[13:59]  * Laney lunch
[14:02] <seb128> enjoy lunch Laney!
[16:21]  * Trevinho 's firefox 50 has not native emoji... Whyyy?!?!?! 😢
[17:19] <Laney> biab
[18:12] <willcooke> ok, night all
[18:22] <flexiondotorg> me goes to pick up my daughter...
[18:33] <seb128> have a good evening desktopers!
[18:54] <flexiondotorg> Night all


[09:00] <willcooke> *yawns* Morning all
[09:00] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[09:00] <willcooke> Hey TheMuso - how goes?
[09:00] <TheMuso> willcooke: Not too bad thanks.
[09:00] <Laney> morning!
[09:00] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:02] <TheMuso> Hey Laney.
[09:03] <Laney> hey willcooke & TheMuso
[09:03] <Laney> how's it going
[09:04] <TheMuso> Not too bad thanks.
[09:06] <Laney> w00t
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <willcooke> hi davmor2
[09:20] <flexiondotorg> Morning desktopers
[09:25] <Laney> ahoy davmor2 and flexiondotorg
[09:25] <Laney> are you well?
[09:25] <flexiondotorg> Yes, very.
[09:25] <flexiondotorg> My daughter and I made our first Raspberry Pi project this weekend :-)
[09:26] <davmor2> Laney: I'm awake give me a few more sips of coffee and I can fill you in on everything else from that
[09:29]  * Laney buys davmor2 a teasmade
[09:29] <Laney> flexiondotorg: nice, what was it?
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> My daughter has been learning about Morse code at school.
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> So we've made a morse code emitter.
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> You can choose to use lights, buzzer or both.
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> But being 6 she's full of ideas.
[09:30] <Laney> Awesome
[09:30] <flexiondotorg> Next weekend she want to make a morse receiver.
[09:31] <Laney> You can use a second one to do the other half
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> More trickky
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> So it start a a manual morse, press button, flash light.
[09:31] <flexiondotorg> Now you type in a message and it emits it.
[09:31] <Laney> Make it use infra red or something
[09:32] <flexiondotorg> I think the light sensor I have should pick up the light pulse for a receiver.
[09:32] <flexiondotorg> I've got a CamJam Edu Kits.
[09:32] <flexiondotorg> All in only £18 and you get loads of parts.
[09:39] <willcooke> WOW!  I set myself a reminder to check on the system76 patches for the hidpi icons, found the LP bug and..... Laney is already on the case \m/
[09:39] <willcooke> Thanks Laney!
[09:43] <Laney> np!
[09:46] <willcooke> Right.. total disaster this morning.  Only blue milk in the house and it is just wrong in tea, so I need to go to the shop.  Back in 10...
[09:52] <Laney> I'm transitioning to the library too, so also back in a few
[10:06] <willcooke> back with the green milk
[10:17] <seb128> hey there
[10:18] <seb128> (sorry bit late this morning, got a cold and I'm not feeling at the top so I overslept a bit)
[10:18] <seb128> cooold out there also, -10°C this night
[10:30] <Laney> hey seb128
[10:31] <Laney> are you ill :(
[10:31] <seb128> just a cold but I feel a bit feverish
[10:33]  * Laney hugs seb128
[10:33] <Laney> take the laptop into bed ^_^
[10:33]  * seb128 hugs Laney back
[10:33] <seb128> yeah
[10:34] <seb128> hot water bottle on the feet
[10:35]  * Laney came to the library
[10:35] <Laney> this room is cold
[10:35] <Laney> 13.7
[10:36] <seb128> urg
[10:37] <Laney> I guess they only turn the heaters on when they get here at 9.30
[10:37] <Laney> and it has crappy ancient windows so probably gets almost to the same temperature as the outside overnight
[11:45] <Laney> "hmm, where's firefox gone?"
[11:45] <Laney> Jan 23 11:34:30 nightingale kernel: compiz invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x240c0d0(GFP_TEMPORARY|__GFP_COMP|__GFP_ZERO), order=3, oom_score_adj=0
[11:45] <Laney> […]
[11:45] <Laney> Jan 23 11:34:30 nightingale kernel: Out of memory: Kill process 30530 (firefox) score 72 or sacrifice child
[11:45] <davmor2> Laney: I'm running a daily live session 16.04.2 and gnome-software is timing out and not opening
[11:45] <Laney> :(
[11:56] <willcooke> davmor2, can you log a bug and I will speak to Robert about it tonight
[11:57] <davmor2> willcooke: sure just looking through the logs to see if I see anything in there
[11:58] <willcooke> guessing, but it could be related to a new snapd release
[11:58] <Laney> davmor2: file a bug, look in journalctl for org.gnome.Software and attach that
[11:58] <Laney> or just the whole journal
[11:58] <davmor2> Laney: will do thanks dude
[11:59] <Laney> I think that's where it ends up
[12:01] <Laney> and if it's reproducible (save the log first), then you can attach the output of gnome-software --verbose
[12:01] <Laney> but it works here I'm afraid
[12:11] <davmor2> Laney: yeap it's working here fine now I wonder if it was just a networking glitch,  I'd do a bunch of test to check
[12:21] <Laney> suspicious
[12:41] <davmor2> got it apparently kvm's dns is getting scrambled from time to time so it seemed it had no network so was timing out. I assume it run an apt update on first run and not on subsequent, reboot and try and try again and it works perfectly, I have a connection shown but in ping tests <IP_ADDRESS> gets a hit google.com doesn't
[12:42] <davmor2> wonderbar
[12:43] <davmor2> in future I'll double check in browser before I panic
[13:04] <desrt> moin moin
[13:04] <desrt> happy monday, everyone
[13:06]  * Laney nods desrt
[13:06]  * desrt gives a subtle glance of approval in the direction of laney
[13:06] <seb128> hey desrt, happy monday to you!
[13:07] <desrt> morning seb!
[13:11] <Laney> desrt: good weekend?
[13:11] <desrt> very
[13:12] <desrt> friday night went to hamilton to see my family and introduce mascha's mom around.  saturday, went to a hockey game with some school friends and generally hung out, sunday took mascha's mom to the airport and had a nice relaxing evening at home playing games
[13:12] <desrt> also learned a lot about pam/sudo/su/runuser/etc. this weekend
[13:13] <desrt> trying to separate my work user from my personal-use user
[13:13] <desrt> (it sort of bothers me that i type 'git pull; make' in a context where all my personal files are stored)
[13:15] <Laney> interesting
[13:15] <Laney> you want to have one way access to another user?
[13:16] <Laney> I sort of wanted to set up dev containers or something, but never bothered to do it properly
[13:16] <Laney> Always end up wanting to run things in my session sooner or later
[13:27] <desrt> ya... i want user 'allison' to be able to do anything as 'desrt' without auth
[13:27] <desrt> i also want to give user 'desrt' out-of-band sudo access
[13:28] <desrt> so so far i configured sudo (and only sudo) to accept challenge/response from my yubikey as authentication, with no cached credentials
[13:28] <desrt> which requires pressing the thing
[13:28] <desrt>  so i don't have to type passwords into (hostile we presume) desrt-land
[13:30] <desrt> the problem i'm hitting now is that sudo is really shitty about setting up a proper session with logind, systemd --user, xdg_runtime_dir and the proper environment variables and so on
[13:31] <desrt> and it turns out that a lot of this comes down to your choice of pam environment.... and sudo has a hacked-up way to let you change your pam "service" name on a per-command basis... so that's good....
[13:31] <desrt> but sudo runs the pam session stuff with the permission of the *invoking* user, so since my normal user can't do stuff like create directories in /run/user, that's trouble
[13:31] <desrt> might end up doing some weird combination like 'sudo -u root runuser -l desrt' or so
[13:32] <desrt> but that gives just one more issue: i want to be able to have a gnome-terminal profile for this, with working "take me to the last cwd" support
[13:32] <desrt> and doing login sessions with runuser (and su) always put you in ~ of the target user
[13:33] <desrt> so maybe i'll just do a double sudo.  who knows.  *sigh*
[13:33] <desrt> basically, there is no single good "become this other user" tool that has the flexibility to specify custom pam services, or the precise mix of how much of the environment you want to share, and isn't sudo (which is arguably buggy here)
[13:34] <desrt> so ya... that was most of my day yesterday =)
[13:38] <jbicha> Laney: is it ok if I update gnome-software to 3.22.5 in zesty?
[13:39] <Laney> jbicha: if you like
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, hey, it looks like you reverted the changes from a previous gtk3/zesty upload when you merged the new versions, see bug #1572331
[14:32] <ksamak> Trevinho: hi
[14:32] <ksamak> Trevinho: had a chance to look at pull requests on compiz?
[14:34] <ksamak> i had another question, about the best way to interogate a running plugin's setting from another one? should it create an opbject for that? or is there a way to get an instance
[14:34] <ksamak> ?
[14:34] <ksamak> i want to call a method inside ezoom, from mousepoll
[14:36] <ksamak> hikiko: andyrock if you guys have an idea
[14:36] <andyrock> i take a look later
[14:38] <jbicha> seb128: thanks, I can upload that change, it looks like mterry forgot to push that change to gtk3 in bzr
[14:39] <seb128> could be
[14:39] <mterry> oops
[14:39] <mterry> Sorry
[15:09] <seb128> mterry, no worry
[15:09] <seb128> jbicha, thanks for fixing it
[16:40] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, speaking of hidpi icons we should probably try to get https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/hidpiicons/+merge/306356 in xenial as well
[16:40] <seb128> that was fixed in yakkety but not SRUed iirc
[16:41] <Laney> seb128: Go for it, that's a different package to the other one so doesn't need to be linked
[16:42] <seb128> right, I was just mentioning it in case we keep a list
[16:43] <seb128> I could work on the SRU but I've no hi-dpi setup to try the changes
[16:43] <Laney> I don't have xenial either, but we could get da_vmor2 to check it
[16:44] <seb128> right
[16:52] <Sweet5hark> hmmm. The libreoffice-l10n just error'ed out with "No. You make ME a sandwich." at me.
[17:00] <Laney> you know who the boss is
[17:01] <Sweet5hark> aye
[17:02] <Sweet5hark> I patched it to not get upset by running builds as uid 0 (as launchpad does).
[18:03] <seb128> have a good evening desktopers!
[18:04] <willcooke> night seb
[18:04] <willcooke> night all
[18:20] <flocculant> anyone any idea about when robert ancell shows up?
[18:22] <sarnold> in my /lastlog I see him mostly talking between 12:00 and 19:00 in my timezone; it's currently 10:21 in my timezone
[18:22] <flocculant> sarnold: thanks :)
[20:14] <flocculant> robert_ancell: hi there - re the xubuntu locking bug (which also affects lubuntu I've found out) I double checked back on the old lightdm packages and cocked up which I thought worked etc - definitely appears to be this change which caused it (or at least that is the version which lock stops working at) http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/lightdm/lightdm_1.21.1-0ubuntu2/changelog
[20:14] <flocculant> we're obviously a bit concerned about this :)
[20:17] <robert_ancell> flocculant, do you have the bug number handy>?
[20:18] <flocculant> bug 1656399
[20:19] <robert_ancell> flocculant, do you think light-locker hasn't completed all its actions before it's killed?
[20:20] <flocculant> robert_ancell: not sure of the tech side of that at all - I just test, BUT I do know that previously (if music was playing on desktop) lock would mute music when it went to vt8
[20:21] <flocculant> currently I can hear music momentarily as it unlocks - then it stops - which would suggest to me that it is immediately re-locking
[20:22] <flocculant> ochosi or bluesabre would be better placed to answer whether things are not being completed before it's killed
[20:22] <robert_ancell_> flocculant, do you think light-locker hasn't completed all its actions before it's killed?
[20:23] <sarnold> flocculant: robert_ancell_ probably didn't see any your previous three messages
[20:24] <robert_ancell_> yeah, had connection problems here (working from a library)
[20:24] <flocculant> robert_ancell: not sure of the tech side of that at all - I just test, BUT I do know that previously (if music was playing on desktop) lock would mute music when it went to vt8
[20:24] <flocculant> currently I can hear music momentarily as it unlocks - then it stops - which would suggest to me that it is immediately re-locking
[20:24] <flocculant> ochosi or bluesabre would be better placed to answer whether things are not being completed before it's killed
[20:25] <flocculant> robert_ancell_: did you see those?
[20:25] <flocculant> sarnold: thanks :)
[20:25] <robert_ancell_> flocculant, the last I saw was the bug link.
[20:25] <robert_ancell_> Yay for IRC :)
[20:25] <flocculant> robert_ancell_: but did you see the ones I reposted?
[20:26] <robert_ancell_> flocculant, yep,
[20:26] <flocculant> cool
[20:28] <ochosi> hi robert_ancell_
[20:28] <flocculant> ochosi: thanks :)
[20:28] <ochosi> so basically light-locker is a little unmaintained these days and i haven't touched it in a while
[20:29] <ochosi> i only have about 5mins now though, would you still be around in 1hr or so?
[20:29] <robert_ancell_> ochosi, yep, I've just started
[20:30] <ochosi> ok cool
[20:30] <ochosi> then i'll stop by in ~1hr
[20:30] <ochosi> but generally speaking light-locker listens to some unlock signal from lightdm and then the black overlay window that is on top of the session is closed
[20:31] <ochosi> it's just been too long for me to remember what we implemented there exactly all those years ago...
[20:31] <robert_ancell_> ochosi, I'm thinking it might be lightdm-gtk-greeter being killed is the issue? Because light-locker is in-session and shouldn't be affected by this change.
[20:34] <flocculant> robert_ancell_: I'll wander off now and let ochosi catch you later - sorry I couldn't answer what needed answering, the last thing anyone would want on this is chinese whispers :)
[20:34] <flocculant> thanks for looking though :)
[21:03] <dmj_s76> Laney: How does the hidpi merge look now?
[21:07] <ochosi> robert_ancell_: right, maybe we should test this issue with a different greeter, cause light-locker is not bound to any specific greeter, just lightdm
[21:08] <ochosi> robert_ancell_: and yes, light-locker is in-session (sry, haven't looked at the change in question yet)
[22:08] <flocculant> robert_ancell: do you mean seat0-greeter.log?
[22:08] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yeah
[22:08] <flocculant> adding now - also I tried unity-greeter - but that Failed To Start Session
[22:09] <flocculant> robert_ancell: ok - that's on the bug report now
[22:37] <RAOF> Urgh.
[22:38] <RAOF> Stupid ubuntu-online-accounts.
[22:38] <RAOF> At least it isn't endlessly popping up browser windows with the Ubuntu wiki at the moment...


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[22:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 658 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue658.
[22:55] <guiverc> ack Bashing-om , fyi:  I may not be around tomorrow (publish time, late my arvo or near your sign off time maybe)
[22:55] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Van you take a look at our ./stats/translations.py script ? It is generating garbage for me this issue. Past issues the outputs are sane.
[22:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - hope Wild_Man is up to speed now :P
[23:17] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will be able to publish tomorrow we have two doctor appointments I am not sure what time but I will be here
[23:18] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Great - thanks :D
[23:18] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, you're welcome
[23:27] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, the last time you ran the script, was it before pulling in the python3 shebang change on the scripts or afterwards?  Otherwise, I was assuming you've been running all Python scripts using v3 for a while anyway, no?  But yeah, while the code looks alright generally, I get the same stuff here too.  Anyway, pretty sure I've tested all Python scripts if they run properly under v3 when ...
[23:27] <krytarik> ... making them compatible with it.
[23:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I have made no additional changes to my scripts since updating to python3 - I had considered corruption in my copy, but could see no error when I looked at the script. I have no idea of what has changed since last week on the server (?). // Any idea how to correct the translation numbers ?
[23:34] <krytarik> Haven't looked that far yet.  And do you have 'python-bs4' installed?  If not, then it's safe the script wasn't run under Python 2 before.
[23:37] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Nope on 'python-bs4' - running "python3-bs4    4.8.2-1".
[23:37] <krytarik> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute - in any case, the workaround for until it's fixed would be to simply manually write down the respective value from here, sorted in decreasing order by status.  Ok, that's good then.  Hmm...
[23:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Thanks will do ther manual intervention - suggest however to be LTS release numbers - maybe  hirsute is not worked on as hard ?
[23:42] <krytarik> Oh, have you been tracking Focal recently instead?  Because I don't think tracking any stable release makes particularly sense here..
[23:42] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Been tracking focal yes .
[23:42] <krytarik> Heh.
[23:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am thinking that translations are an ongoing process such that the present LTS release should be the focus, no ?
[23:46] <krytarik> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu - well, if you hit up this instead, you'll notice that it recommends Hirsute as translation target, which is therefore the focus, so..
[23:47] <krytarik> Also, just noticed you made "Seth Forshee" bold in this issue?  Was it deliberate or by mistake?
[23:49] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ack on tanslations will do so :) .. as to the bold This issue I did catch up with your prior recomendation: "it'd have to be like  '''bold''' for the names." .
[23:53] <krytarik> I don't remember saying that recently, was it?  And was it in a different context perhaps?


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[01:28] <yofel> well, this was fun
 Oh?
[01:29] <yofel> thanks to everyone for actually making a really smooth backports upgrade. I have lots of stuff installed on my notebook and not a single error during the upgrade
 :D :D :D
[01:30] <yofel> but after that, as usual, I ofc. couldn't reboot because plasma essentially stops working the moment some of its libs get switched out (has been like that for years now)
[01:30] <yofel> and after I rebooted, my plasma session had no panel
[01:32] <yofel> at least, that's the only thing I ran into, still annoying. Wonder how that happened
[01:32] <yofel> hm...
[01:33] <yofel> is the stuff in backports-landing actually synced with git?
 Uhhhh I THINK?
[01:33] <yofel> Rejected:
[01:33] <yofel> akonadi_16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa62.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa62 <= 4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2~ubuntu16.04~ppa61
[01:33] <yofel> and I was wondering where my akonadi upload from git went
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[01:34]  * yofel goes comparing package contents
[01:36] <yofel> nope, that doesn't quite match...
 pls thx sync
 ? ;)
[01:37] <yofel> I'm more worried about what else is all out-of-sync
[01:37] <yofel> and syncing is kind of annoying as I have to 3-way merge my changes from today now -.-
[01:40] <yofel> clivejo, acheronuk, we have a workflow bug somewhere ^
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[01:45] <yofel> no conflicts at least
[02:00] <yofel> [02:16:03] <betzen529> I enter login credentials at login screen.  plasmashell tries to load.  desktop comes up. bottom panel tries to load.  crash.
[02:00] <yofel> I might not be the only one with that...
[02:01] <dmj_s76> It seems the Kdenlive has a missing critical dependency on 16.10.
[02:01] <dmj_s76> Kdenlive crashes on startup unless the user manually installs the qml-module-qtquick-controls package.
 Ok so do we have a fixable bug?
 Is it a config issue?
 What's the deal?
[02:01] <dmj_s76> Could we get an updated package in the yakkety repo that includes the dependency?
[02:01] <yofel> I think we don't know what the deal is yet
[02:02] <yofel> dmj_s76: you are not running plasma, right?
[02:02] <yofel> dmj_s76: and can you please file a bug?
[02:02] <dmj_s76> yofel: No, not running plasma.  Standard Ubuntu 16.10.
[02:02] <yofel> ok, thanks
[02:02] <dmj_s76> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/+bug/1634478
[02:02] <yofel> and thanks again
[02:03] <dmj_s76> I'm not the original filer, but this affects me and others in the office have run into it too.
[02:03] <yofel> ack. The bug is valid in any case, thanks for bringing it up
[02:03] <dmj_s76> yofel: Does plasma affect this issue?
[02:04] <yofel> dmj_s76: no, just that we have a work around in kubuntu by installing that qml module in the default installation. But it seems like it's a more general requirement..
[02:05] <dmj_s76> Yes, many of our customers use Kdenlive on vanilla Ubuntu.
[02:05] <dmj_s76> And it's always best if things just work out of the box.
[02:06] <dmj_s76> yofel: The right thing seems to be to include it as a dependency.
[02:16] <dmj_s76> yofel: thanks.  If there's an updated package I'll test on Monday.
 Go to bed yet yofel?
[09:48] <yofel> moin
[09:49] <acheronuk> yofel: morning
[09:50] <acheronuk> backports *should* be synced with git, unless anyone managed to do something odd with the tooling AFAIK
[09:52] <yofel> or did something by hand. Hard to say with the amount of time the packages have been waiting now
[09:52] <acheronuk> saying that, apps at least was done with earlier versions with maybe less checks, so perhaps there is any old issue there....
[09:52] <yofel> hm, why did akonadi ftbfs on armhf o.O
[09:55] <yofel> fixed akonadi pushed to backports for now, except armhf
[09:56] <acheronuk> controlinterface.h
[09:56] <acheronuk> ummm.....
[09:59] <yofel> not all architectures were enabled for -landing though, so maybe a dep is missing for that arch
[10:03] <acheronuk> maybe. at least it it done for amd64 and i386, so that covers all but anyone trying something very weird
[10:03] <acheronuk> TY :)
[10:03] <yofel> I just synchronized the architectures over all PPAs. If you turn it on, at least be consistent, otherwise stuff like this happens
[10:04] <yofel> and I disabled armel, barely anyone uses that
[10:06] <yofel> or nvm
[10:06] <acheronuk> armel, is that new on the ppas?
[10:07] <yofel> well, all non-x86 archs are fairly new on the PPAs, but armel is actually fairly old
[10:10] <acheronuk> seems so. I coulda just have sworn by default there were 5 archs you could enable, plus 2 that only LP adins could set, and armel seemed unfamiliar
[10:10] <acheronuk> but seems it is actually 6+2
[10:12] <acheronuk> ah... not built for the archive which defaults to 7 archs
[10:49] <Raspberry> hello
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[11:00] <acheronuk> Raspberry: hi. can we help?
[11:01] <blaze> o.O
[11:02]  * acheronuk shrugs
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[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:33] <soee_> why there is no any news about backports on kubuntu.org ?
[13:37] <acheronuk> soee_: Only speaking for myself, I've not prodded anyone to post news of the backport yet, to give us a chance to tackle the obvious bugs found by early upgraders
[13:38] <soee_> any reported so far ?
[13:40] <acheronuk> a few missing panels for some people, the akonadi fail to start, some missing non KDE things which still depended on Qt ABI 5-5-5
[13:41] <acheronuk> most accounts seem favourable, but with any big plasma update you get a minority where things go south
 I just got Plasma 5.8.3 in my updated
 you guys Rock!!!
 updates*
[13:48] <acheronuk> \o/
[13:48] <acheronuk> but I prefer it if you had 5.8.4 ?
[13:48] <acheronuk> :p
 I'd preffer 5.12, but this will do :-P
 😜
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/qX3R5tl0/file_1405.png
 as I am bored....  ^^^
[13:54] <acheronuk> that new wallpaper is slowly growing on me. hated it at first
[14:07] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, which new wallpaper?
[14:11] <acheronuk> The new plasma one for 5.9 when it's released
[14:16] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, is the 5.9 in an available ppa ?
[14:30] <soee_> acheronuk: though for me it is a bit blurry
[14:30] <soee_> maybe due to how Plasma scales and crops images - output isn't perfect :/
[14:31] <soee_> http://i.imgur.com/70Lm0ni.jpg
[14:32] <soee_> BluesKaj: it is not, it hasn't been released yet in any official form
[14:33] <BluesKaj> soee_, ok, thanks
 So we moved -landing to backports?
 Apparently
[15:07] <acheronuk> yep
[15:15] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/H4GR6ySAK3a?sfc=true
[15:15] <soee_> one user had freeze after upgrade
[15:23]  * blaze removed "-landing" from the sources and ran "dist-upgrade", nothing's changed after that :D
[15:24] <soee_> that strange :D
[15:28] <DarinMiller> Morning/Afternoon/Evening o/
[15:30] <acheronuk> hi Darin :)
[15:30] <DarinMiller> Hi Rik :)
[15:33] <DarinMiller> a couple packaging questions:  why is kdevelop not part std apps, i.e. why is it in Staging Misc PPA and not stage kde apps?
[15:36] <DarinMiller> I noticed clive uploaded kdevelop 5.0.3 to Staging Misc for Zesty whereas staging apps ppa does not have any zesty apps yet.
[15:37] <acheronuk> 'KDE applications' is a standard set, released together and versioned the same (externally), an that have to keep to a release schedule for that set
[15:37] <acheronuk> other applications do their own thing in their own time, or don't really fit, so are release separately on their own schedule
[15:38] <acheronuk> as usual there is a bit of too and fro. this and that getting dropped or included in the main big 'KDE applications' set as things evolve
 I'd like to think that the KDE Apps are programs that users use daily
 And Misc are those that only some use
[15:40] <acheronuk> kdevelop sits on it's own at the moment due to release schedule and what it's used for
[16:00] <DarinMiller> OK harder question: the python package is not included in the Misc PPA.   There is a kdev-python package listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[16:02] <DarinMiller> But I am not sure if that is the missing package.   Does anyone have time to show me how to fix the  kdevelop PPA package to include the python pkg?
[16:04] <DarinMiller> The reason I question if kdev-python is correct is that the php packages are called kdevelop-php (full kdevelop name not kdev abreviated).
[16:06] <DarinMiller> nm: the kdevelop control files lists https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdev-python
[16:07] <DarinMiller> OK, so now I am still confused.  Why is the python package absent from the kdevelop install?
[16:10] <DarinMiller> i.e.:  on zesting with Misc PPA enabled, apt list kdev* does not show the python package and nor are the python options available when kdevelop is installed.
[16:10] <DarinMiller> s/zesting/zesty
[16:24] <acheronuk> kde renamed the git repo to a shorter version so AFAIK we did the same with our packaging repo as it help make KCI and other stuff simpler if those match
[16:24] <acheronuk> the package names produced remained the same though
[16:25] <acheronuk> as far as packaging goes, clivejo was doing those, so you should prob check with him
[16:27] <DarinMiller> OK, I will check with clive.. I think he said he was out for the weekend so I will contact him next week.
[16:28] <DarinMiller> another question: I was attempting to build the kdevelop locally using  dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[16:30] <DarinMiller> I have not built anything that way before.  It wants a zip file for the package.  /kdevelop-python_5.0.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz}
[16:31] <DarinMiller> where do I find the tar file?  do I just tar the package I downloaded and give it that name?
[16:32] <acheronuk> you need the source tar.xz
[16:32] <acheronuk> 2 secs
[16:32] <DarinMiller> http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/
[16:32] <DarinMiller> ?
[16:33] <acheronuk> probably, though it's timing out for me at the moment
[16:34] <DarinMiller> but names do not quite match.... kdevelop-python_5.0.3.orig.tar vs kdev-python-5.0.3.tar.xz
[16:35] <acheronuk> debian packaging uses it's own naming format for source tarballs, so yes, quite often you have to rename them. or create a symlink of the correct name
[16:38] <DarinMiller> I tried downloading, renaming and rebuilding but then the rebuild crashes and burns for other other issues.  Now that I know renaming is necessary I can continue solving the other crash and burn issues...
 Darin I uploaded those to the KDevelop project PPA
[19:14] <clivejo> anyone tested the newly created ISO's?
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[19:21]  * acheronuk glares at kirigami
[19:21]  * ahoneybun glares at kdenlive
[19:24] <acheronuk> clivejo: not yet, sorry
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[19:26] <acheronuk> yes yes, I know you will fail kirigami. I just want to see the proper reason!
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[19:30] <clivejo> whats wrong with Kdenlive?
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[19:32] <acheronuk> hmpth.....
[19:32] <acheronuk> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::tst_pagerow::compile() module "QtQuick.Controls" version 2.1 is not installed
[19:32] <clivejo> well install it!
[19:32] <acheronuk> and as far as I can see, QtQuick.Controls 2.1 is in Qt 5.8
[19:34]  * acheronuk hands baton to clivejo
[19:34] <acheronuk> you 'install' it :P
[19:34] <clivejo> qt5-qtquickcontrols2-devel-5.7.0-1.fc25.i686 RPM
[19:34] <clivejo> it was looking for Qt5QuickControls2Config.cmake
[19:34] <acheronuk> not any more
[19:35] <clivejo> I went looking for it, but our unstable version seems to been copied from somewhere
[19:35] <clivejo> and couldnt find a buildlog
[19:36] <acheronuk> see: http://blog.qt.io/blog/2016/10/06/qt-quick-controls-2-1-and-beyond/
[19:36] <acheronuk> clivejo: did you read the email I CC'd to you?
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[19:38] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+build/11246146
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[19:38] <acheronuk> how does that help?
[19:39] <clivejo> qtquickcontrols2-5-dev
[19:39] <clivejo> -rw-r--r-- root/root      6870 2016-11-23 13:01 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5QuickControls2/Qt5QuickControls2Config.cmake
[19:39] <acheronuk> yes, and that is installed as a build dep
[19:40] <acheronuk> I did that here: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kirigami/commit/?id=d103b50fbe4bcbdcb601681290c784dab0366865
[19:40] <acheronuk> that lets kirigami build, but the tests fail
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[19:41] <acheronuk> as they seem to want a version of qtquickcontrols2 that doesn't exist until Qt 5.8
[19:42] <acheronuk> but the rest of kirigami only requires 2.0, which I was able to give it
[19:42] <clivejo> I see
[19:43] <clivejo> can you add git to build deps
[19:43] <clivejo> only an optional
[19:44] <acheronuk> maybe. let me test. I tried to at git as a dep to somethign a while back and it failed. not sure if that was kirigami or not
[19:45] <clivejo> have you got it locally?
[19:45] <acheronuk> yes
[19:45] <clivejo> what happens if you downgrade the autotest qtquickcontrols to 2?
[19:46] <acheronuk> that is also something I was considering trying, but I emailed upstream 1st
[19:47] <acheronuk> I would guess it's a mistake, but you never know
[19:48] <acheronuk> seems nonsensical to me to have the build requires set to v2.0 but the tests need v2.1
 Hai guys
 How goes it?
 What did you break clivejo? :O
[19:57] <clivejo> broke my eye
 :O
 Why?
[19:59] <clivejo> got grit/dirt into it yesterday
 Max!
[20:13] <acheronuk> hmmm... maybe these tests are not meant to be run at build time?
[20:21] <acheronuk> dammit. yes they are. as now I get further I see they fail for the kirigami modules not being installed, but that won't happen until the thing is built :P
[20:22] <acheronuk> *yes they are not build time
[20:26] <clivejo> DarinMiller: https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop/+archive/ubuntu/release/
[20:27] <DarinMiller> Hi Clivejo!
[20:28] <clivejo> hello
[20:29] <sintre> hi all devs
[20:29] <sintre> so is plsma 5.8 stable and released yet for 16.04 :)
[20:37] <acheronuk> sintre: yes in backports, and as stable as we can reasonably make it with the testing we have been able to do
[20:38] <sintre> so will that auto update running update command?
[20:38] <sintre> or can you pls give me command line to install newest
[20:38] <acheronuk> as with any release, there will undoubted be things that have bugs for some people. an some hardware that will just not like it
[20:39] <sintre> i ubnderstand , just anxious to see if new plsma fixed an okld bug :)
[20:39] <acheronuk> sintre: see the adding this ppa instructions here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[20:39] <acheronuk> then you do 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
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[20:41] <sintre> i got the back ports already , or i think i do
[20:42] <DarinMiller> clivejo: the +archive/ubuntu/release ppa works as expected.  So it that the source for Kubuntu?  If not how/where does the Kubuntu specific version land in the package set?
[20:43] <blaze> sintre: how can you be so uncertain? :D
[20:43] <sintre> well i did install them
[20:43] <sintre> but maybe secret new backports lol
[20:45] <clivejo> DarinMiller: no, just a team we setup at Akacademy
[20:47] <sintre> 531 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[20:47] <sintre> na@na:~$
[20:47] <sintre> 531 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable'
[20:47] <sintre> this might take awghihle
[20:48] <sintre> i assume new plsma might be in here?
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[20:49] <blaze> plasma, apps and frameworks
[20:49] <acheronuk> clivejo: you know how to write rules for autotests?
[20:50] <clivejo> acheronuk: nope, still trying to learn that
[20:51] <acheronuk> clivejo: ok. we can both learn then, if we can pick someone's brain
[20:51] <clivejo> I'd probably disable them
[20:51] <DarinMiller> clivejo: so how do we add kdvelep to KDE packages. Do we add the kdev soucres from lp soucre to kci  (i.e.  http://download.kde.org/stable/kdevelop/5.0.3/src/)
[20:52] <clivejo> They are in KCI
[20:53] <DarinMiller> How to they arrive in landing or misc ppa.  Is that a yaml or json file config somewhere?
[20:53] <clivejo> again, we added those after Akamedy
[20:53] <clivejo> I put them into misc staging
[20:53] <clivejo> well for zesty
[20:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: well, I want to know how to make them work in ubuntu's autopackagetest infra, so not completely disable them
[20:54] <clivejo> acheronuk: true, Id like that too, but cant't find anyone to explain it to me
[20:54] <DarinMiller> Yes, but the detail I do not understand.  Pull the src's to your local PC, compile and upload to the ppa?
[20:55] <clivejo> DarinMiller: you know about the KA tools?
[20:55] <acheronuk> clivejo: well, the kirigami ones are clearly not build time ones, so I disabled them for that. and for KCI at least, that will be fine
[20:55] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I know how to clone them.  Do they have documentation that explain the process?
[20:56]  * DarinMiller Looking at KA tools git clone for docs....
[20:56] <clivejo> README has brief overview
[20:56] <acheronuk> so maybe a little excercise to work out how to write the rules for the autopackagetest ones to run them
[20:56] <clivejo> README.ng maybe
[20:57] <clivejo> These are the kdevelop jobs on KCI - http://kci.pangea.pub/search/?q=kdev
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[21:01] <acheronuk> well, at least it built ^^^
[21:05] <sintre> well survived that upgrade ,
[21:06] <sintre> had to do a forced shutdown afterwards, but seems plsama is stable so far :)
[21:07] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:07] <clivejo> what version of plasma have you go?
[21:07] <clivejo> got?
[21:07] <sintre> 5.8.4
[21:07] <sintre> after upgrade
[21:07] <clivejo> good good
[21:19] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:37] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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[21:39] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kitemmodels build #348: STILL FAILING in 2 min 37 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kitemmodels/348/
[21:40] <clivejo> acheronuk: yippeeee
[21:40] <sintre> well seem these real time updates here , did the upgrade and kirigami made itself a menu saing lost and found
[21:40] <sintre> what does this prog do lol
[21:41] <clivejo> sintre: ??
[21:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: it wants git to make a clone of breeze icons from kde git. it fails to do the clone, but doesn't seem to matter!
[21:41] <sintre> kirigami
[21:41] <clivejo> krigami is a framework
[21:41] <sintre> i have a new menu in app launcher menu , called "lost and found" and in there is that program
[21:42] <sintre> wonder why it ended up in lost and found hehe
[21:43] <clivejo> that is strange
[21:44] <sintre> something called kirigami gallery , seems to have option for stuff
[21:45] <sintre> says top right widegt gallery
[21:45] <sintre> i eman top left
[21:46] <clivejo> oh thats the example of what the framework does
[21:47] <sintre> ihh so its not meant to be moddified?
[21:47] <sintre> no wonder it aint changing anything lol
[21:47] <clivejo> just samples of what it can do
[21:48] <clivejo> look at the new discover
 I wonder if that has to do with kdevelop
[21:48] <sintre> lol k , was wondering why didn't have any options and a apply button there for a minute
 Or Qt Creator more likely
[21:49] <sintre> clivejo > look nice ,
[21:50] <sintre> but like last one when i hit installed doesn't show anything
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[21:53] <sintre> user error  i think
[21:53] <sintre> not used to big descrptoions
[21:53] <sintre> descriptions
[21:53] <sintre> so yea its showing installed stuff
[21:54] <sintre> alos different icons than used to
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[22:40] <rbetzen> yofel: glad it worked for you.  unfortunately it totally hosed my system.  reinstalling everyting.   I'm not upset, though.  Just a little feedback.  Not quite sure what happened.
[22:41] <yofel> rbetzen: sorry, what was the context again?
[22:41] <rbetzen> oh.  your backports upgrade.  glad it worked for you. ;)
[22:42] <yofel> uhm, now that really shouldn't happen. Do you still have some upgrade logs?
[22:43] <rbetzen> no.  had to get the system back up in a hurry.  reformatted and reinstalled.  although even after that I think i still have a couple of broken packages.  I"ll poke around.
[22:44] <rbetzen> It happened late at night, so I wasn't particularly bright eyed when it happened either.  Two other systems worked flawlessly.
[22:44] <valorie> rbetzen: apt has a fix option: sudo apt install -f
[22:46] <rbetzen> valorie:  I tried that, but for some reason I had quite a few broken packages by the time the upgrade completed.  I suspect it wasnt Kubuntu's fault.  I think it was some kind of configuration I may have done in the past. Possibly trying to get a newer version of kde coneect.
[22:48] <rbetzen> I have another system with identical hardware and it had no problems.
[22:48] <valorie> !ppapurge
[22:48] <valorie> might be a good idea to purge any non-standard PPAs
[22:48] <valorie> but this is off-topic here -- let's move to #kubuntu
[22:49] <rbetzen> Probably.  Lesson learned.  I didn't even think of ppa purge. duh.  I was pretty sleepy last night. ;)
[22:52] <rbetzen> No problem.  No further help needed at the moment.  Just wanted to tell yofel and everyone else congrats on the upgrade and Kubuntu is looking really slick on my other systems.  Now back to rebuilding the other one... :p
 o/
[23:25] <clivejo> \o
 rbatzen but you had packages conflicts or upgrade was fine?


[05:36] <brittyazel> hey guys
[05:36] <brittyazel> are we planning for gnome 3.8 for 13.04?
[05:38] <darkxst> brittyazel, it will likely be via the ppa
[05:38] <darkxst> since ubuntu is holding back on many packages
[05:46] <brittyazel> oh ok
[05:46] <brittyazel> that is fine though
[05:46] <brittyazel> is there a way we can bundle that ppa by default with our iso?
[05:47] <brittyazel> it seems like much of the distro and it's updated gnome packages rely on that ppa rather than just what is in the main repos
[05:47] <darkxst> brittyazel, most things are already in gnome3-team/staging if you like to break things
[05:47] <brittyazel> lol no i'll probably hold off
[05:47] <darkxst> I think at this stage we will stick with the official packages for the iso
[05:47] <brittyazel> I'm hesitant to upgrade my work machine to 13.04 alpha to help hunt bugs, though the 3.8 kernel that landed today is tempting to say the least
[05:49] <brittyazel> gotcha.
[05:49] <darkxst> and we do push all our bug fixes into the main repos, its just where there is a version split we need to use the ppa
[05:49] <brittyazel> man that is unfortunate that we share so many packages with standard ubuntu. It means we have to constantly tiptoe around them :-/
[05:50] <brittyazel> yeah I get it. Derivatives like kubuntu have it a bit easier because they can have all of their own packages in the repos without conflict
[05:50] <darkxst> yeh
[05:51] <brittyazel> Is there any particular reason that we do not include the gnome3-ppa by default? It seems like it makes it harder, though I dont know all of the internal details
[05:52] <darkxst> basically comes down not being able to include ppa's in an official derivate (not that we are quite there yet, but still)
[05:54] <brittyazel> oh that's an odd requirement....especially for a distro like ours in which having all of our necessary applications in the main repos would mess with ubuntu
[05:55] <brittyazel> we could do something super sneaky and have our own version of gnome packages in the main repos but with a different naming convention and different dependency table so as to separate ourselves. But that would be SUPER hard to maintain
[05:55] <darkxst> no, that won't happen
[05:56] <brittyazel> I figured as much. It would be an insane amount of work and would probably be way more effort than it is worth
[05:56] <darkxst> the main pain points (such as gnome-control-center) are getting fixed, but now ubuntu has dropped a cycle behind
[05:57] <brittyazel> too bad ubuntu doesn't brand all of the gnome libraries and packages that they use as "ubuntuunity" or something. Then we could have the same scenario as the other derivitaves
[05:57] <darkxst> but that would be pointless
[05:58] <brittyazel> yeah I noticed that. Actually i'm intrigued on where ubuntu is headed actually. Ubuntu Phone is largly written in QML/Qt, and they want a unified interface. Though their main desktop is GTK....
[05:58] <darkxst> U1 is not GTK
[05:58] <brittyazel> yeah but isn't that the only qt app that ubuntu has in it's native stack?
[05:58] <darkxst> software centre as well probably
[05:58] <brittyazel> they killed the qt version of unity.
[05:58] <brittyazel> no software centre is gtk+
[05:59] <darkxst> yeh with so many custom/ugly widgets who could guess
[06:00] <brittyazel> lol I know. I'm actually kind of for ubuntu adopting QML and Qt and migrating away from gnome/compiz. I think it would make a better end user experience, but that is just me.
[06:00] <brittyazel> It seem like Gnome is moving one direction and Unity is moving another
[06:00] <brittyazel> and there's only so many post-hoc patches that can be applied
[06:06] <darkxst> apperently not, some packages have 30+ patches
[06:06] <darkxst> g-c-c at one point was I believe closer to 100
[06:07] <darkxst> probably ~60 now
[06:07] <brittyazel> lol yeah but that is 30-100 patches to an already dated package. I mean they could just stay at 3.4/.6 forever and just patch the living hell out of it, but that seems illogical
[06:08] <darkxst> yeh and many bugs are caused by mismatched versions
[06:08] <brittyazel> and it seems like they built a decent phone UI already...I wonder if we will ever see that on the desktop
[06:08] <darkxst> I would estimate around ~60-70% of bugs I have worked on have either been due to ubuntu packaging or patches
[06:08] <brittyazel> do you know at all what changes the phoneOS is going to bring to the Desktop? Are they going to merge the two projects at all
[06:09] <brittyazel> wow that is crazy
[06:10] <darkxst> I think its just the same packages, but they are working to improve performance and power consumption of mobile devices
[06:10] <darkxst> luckily I dont have a nexus 7 otherwise I would probably try and port gnome-shell
[06:11] <darkxst> or something stupid like that
[06:11] <brittyazel> I dont think the phone UI is running compiz though. It looked way to stable and nice to be compiz (if that is too harsh) lol
[06:11] <brittyazel> haha
[06:11] <darkxst> could be, its running proprietry binary blobs for 3D
[06:11] <brittyazel> for gnome3 to want to be on touch screens so badly, i've never actually seen it on a touch screen lol
[06:12] <brittyazel> yeah but, maybe i'm just ignorant, but I've never known compiz to have nearly half of the features needed for a touch ui with edge detection and whatnot
[06:12] <darkxst> that was never a design critieria (despite the rumours)
[06:13] <darkxst> those features are not compiz!
[06:13] <brittyazel> for which? Gnome?
[06:13] <darkxst> yeh gnome-shell
[06:14] <darkxst> edge detection etc, is in Xorg/Xfixes
[06:14] <brittyazel> I know they never said it, but much of the ui is moving from menu-based to sliding switches and buttons. Seems very touch-ish. Which is completely fine
[06:14] <darkxst> unrealted to the WM
[06:14] <brittyazel> gotcha gotcha. So they just have compiz set to trigger events based on xinputs?
[06:15] <darkxst> well compiz hooks into events triggered by X
[06:16] <darkxst> maybe they have taken elements from touch UI's, but they are not desiging for touch devices
[06:18] <brittyazel> i see
[06:19] <brittyazel> I know they aren't purely focusing on touch-ui's (like windows 8 *cough*), but you can tell it is definitely in their thoughts, especially with the xinput2.2 stuff being implemented next round
[06:19] <brittyazel> though I am under the belief that there is a median interface that works for desktop ui's and touch, and that Gnome-Shell has found it lol
[06:19] <brittyazel> so I applaud them
[06:21] <darkxst> yeh, I can't use anything else anymore.
[06:21] <darkxst> everything else just seems wrong
[06:23] <brittyazel> I definiely love it. I still love kde and appreciate it's applications, detail, and complexity. But gnome-shell is next-gen. I just dont get why people flack it so hard
[06:23] <darkxst> lol, cuase it don't look like gnome2!
[06:24] <brittyazel> lol they hate it because it has taste and style
[06:24] <brittyazel> I never understood the desire to punnish ones self with ugly ui's lol
[06:25] <brittyazel> one's guys aregument to me was that "it is impossible to be productive on gnome-shell" and when I countered that I am in fact VERY productive on it he said "nuh uh, you obviously dont do "real" work"
[06:26] <darkxst> well I suppose there are a few points. 1.lack of customisation (but there are extension/themes/tweak-tool for that).
[06:26] <darkxst> 2. people hate change
[06:26] <brittyazel> It is crappy that most UI changes need to come from third party tools
[06:26] <brittyazel> you get spoiled on KDE where every little detail is giving a gui tool
[06:27] <darkxst> 3. it was really released a bit early (3.0 was really a super early alpha)
[06:27] <brittyazel> yeah I agree with that
[06:27] <darkxst> tweak-tool is just a wrapper to gsettings
[06:28] <brittyazel> I guess given those 3 you can be disatsfied with it, but it is fervently hated lol
[06:28] <darkxst> Oh I'm sure ther are more
[06:29] <brittyazel> lol
[06:29] <darkxst> also the big point, is IMO the dissatisfied users are always the loudest
[06:29] <darkxst> how many people write blogs posts just to hate on a project
[06:30] <darkxst> vs how many who love a project
[06:30] <brittyazel> well 3.6 made gnome-shell great for me personally :-) I love the new gdm and notifications. I wish 3.8 was just for bringing UI customization options. Then I would be in heaven
[06:31] <brittyazel> yeah it's true. So many vocal haters. And it scared people off who research stuff before hand (even though it is free and can only cost them time to try it themselves)
[06:34] <brittyazel> I wish I knew more about packaging and the behind-the-scenes work so I could help you guys
[06:34] <brittyazel> unfortunately I would probably be more of a burden
[06:37] <darkxst> heaps of good stuff have landed in 3.7/8 already
[06:37] <darkxst> especially amazing considering how early in the cycle it is
[06:38] <brittyazel> I read it was just changes to the control-center like a privacy setting list and a search option list
[06:38] <brittyazel> is there anything else substantial?
[06:39] <darkxst> relayout of overview search
[06:41] <darkxst> ricotz, did you build gjs in a deb? if so can I grab a debdiff?
[06:42] <brittyazel> is 3.8 getting xinput2.2 and gstreamer1.0 do you know?
[06:42] <darkxst> my jhbuild is still hosed
[06:42] <darkxst> brittyazel, niether of those are gnome-shell things, more distro stuff
[06:43] <darkxst> gsteamer1.0 was already support in 3.6 i think
[06:43] <brittyazel> I gotcha. I thought that there were gnome elements that depended on those
[06:43] <darkxst> g-s shel has been ported to xi2 already
[06:44] <brittyazel> kk
[06:45] <darkxst> the new pressure/pointer barriers should be landing in Xorg 1.14
[06:45] <brittyazel> is 13.04 getting 1.14?
[06:45] <brittyazel> btw it's pretty nice that they set the gtk flags for wayland recently
[06:46] <brittyazel> that should make it nice for wayland in the future
[06:47] <darkxst> I think its planned (Xorg 1.14), but ricotz or jbicha would likely know more
[06:47] <darkxst> wayland is still some way off
[06:47] <brittyazel> yeah a far way off
[06:49] <ricotz> darkxst, a debdiff? what are you trying?
[06:50] <darkxst> ricotz, or just the source packages. Just want to try install it locally
[06:51] <darkxst> I figured you probably already done that, so no point re-inventing the wheel
[06:51] <ricotz> i see
[06:52] <ricotz> you need to rebuild its rdepends too though
[06:52] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh  I realise that
[06:53] <ricotz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gjs/
[06:54] <darkxst> ricotz, thx
[07:40] <ricotz> darkxst, i guess you havent tested your patches with g-s then yet?
[09:08] <darkxst> ricotz, yes I have, but I have that unrelated "focus issue" :(
[09:13] <darkxst> ricotz, gnome-shell doesnt want to build either ;( http://paste.ubuntu.com/1519355/
[10:49] <ricotz> darkxst, amd64 with nvidia blob?
[10:54] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh
[10:56] <darkxst> ricotz, I take it you have seen the seg faults on GC?
[11:02] <darkxst> ricotz, particularly this, http://pastebin.com/GxKtpXCW surely that can't be right ;(
[11:17] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah seeing those, but i asked because of the g-s deb packages
[11:17] <ricotz> uploaded them to the folder too
[11:17] <darkxst> ricotz, I just removed the gtk-docs line from the .install file
[11:18] <ricotz> yeah, you probably missing a build-dep
[11:21] <darkxst> ricotz, I tried to rerun 'apt-get build-dep gnome-shell' but it didnt think I needed anythin
[11:25] <ricotz> darkxst, gtk-doc-tools
[11:26] <darkxst> ricotz, thats installed
[11:27] <ricotz> you have checked the debian/control build-deps?
[11:27] <ricotz> anyway, you got around it
[11:30] <darkxst> yeh
[11:38] <darkxst> anyway I should sleep, and then tomorrow I will find a sledgehammer or something to coerce gdb into behaving!
[22:19] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/8N2L3QpY
[22:31] <ricotz> darkxst, will try it