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[00:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted evince [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1.2]
[00:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell [source] (artful-proposed) [3.26.1-0ubuntu3]
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[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (artful-proposed) [2.28.5+17.10]
[01:20] <valorie> thanks, jbicha!
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[06:37] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: turns out llvm-5 backport doesn't build on s390x
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected llvm-toolchain-5.0 [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:5.0-3~ubuntu16.04.1]
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[15:54] <xnox> infinity, apw, tjaalton  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1723619
[17:13] <tjaalton> meh
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[18:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-xml2 [sync] (artful-proposed) [1.1.1-2]
[19:09] <infinity> jbicha: Did you have any urge to try to figure out why gtk+3.0 regressed the software-properties testsuite?
[19:10] <infinity> jbicha: Given that the same testsuite has been triggered successfully by other updates, it's pretty clearly upgrading GTK that breaks it.
[19:23] <ginggs> infinity: i expected LP: #1717257 to fix the build of starpu-contrib https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/starpu-contrib/1.2.0+dfsg-4build1 - but it didn't
[19:24] <ginggs> does something else need a rebuild first?
[19:27] <jbicha> infinity: I haven't worked on it yet because I'd need to figure out how to set up an autopkgtest environment that can handle breaks-testbed
[19:29] <jbicha> infinity: Laney assigned himself to LP: #1721828 so maybe he's working on it?
[19:39] <infinity> jbicha: Well, the easiest way is just to sacrifice a VM and run the tests as root.
[19:39] <infinity> jbicha: Setting it up as an autopkgtest makes debugging a pain.
[19:45] <infinity> jbicha: As for the CUDA thing, looks like GCC might also need a patch to hide #define _GLIBCXX_USE_FLOAT128 1
[19:47] <jbicha> which CUDA thing?
[19:47] <infinity> jbicha: Erm, that was for ginggs.
[19:47] <infinity> ginggs: ^
[19:47] <jbicha> oh good, I try to avoid dealing with compilers ;)
[19:47] <infinity> A wise life choice.
[20:09] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, link?
[20:42] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/340770594/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.llvm-toolchain-5.0_1%3A5.0-3~16.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:45] <infinity> ginggs: I suspect http://paste.ubuntu.com/25740823/ will fix it, but testing locally before blindly uploading GCC. :P
[20:53] <LocutusOfBorg> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-3.5/Modules/CMakeTestCXXCompiler.cmake:54 (message):
[20:53] <LocutusOfBorg>   The C++ compiler "/usr/bin/g++-5" is not able to compile a simple test
[20:53] <LocutusOfBorg>   program.
[20:53] <LocutusOfBorg> I would say gcc is broken in s390x?
[20:54] <LocutusOfBorg> that cmake module creates a simple hello world and try to compile it
[20:54] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: I mean, you could say that, but then how did we built all the other packages?
[20:54] <infinity> s/built/build/
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg>  5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.5 is some days old
[20:55] <infinity>   collect2: fatal error: cannot find 'ld'
[20:55] <infinity> Perhaps s390x doesn't have gold?
[20:55] <flocculant> infinity: am I likely to see rc images soonish?
[20:56] <infinity> flocculant: Yeah, I'll spin some up this afternoon.  We're still waiting on some things for final images, but best to get people something to test in the meantime.
[20:56] <flocculant> infinity: okey doke - cheers - I'll see them in my morning then :)
[20:59] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, why can't it find bfd?
[20:59] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Because it's calling gcc with -fuse-ld=gold?
[20:59] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... maybe llvm
[20:59] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[21:00] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: 4.0 had hacks to exclude gold from certain arches.
[21:00] <infinity> Guessing 5.0 doesn't.
[21:00] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton,  BINUTILS_GOLD_ARCHS := amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el sparc sparc64 x32 s390x
[21:00] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe remove s390x from that list and try again
[21:00] <infinity> Or just a more inclusive list. :)
[21:00] <infinity> -BINUTILS_GOLD_ARCHS := amd64 armhf i386 powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el sparc sparc64 x32
[21:00] <infinity> +BINUTILS_GOLD_ARCHS := amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpcspe ppc64 ppc64el sparc sparc64 x32 s390x
[21:01] <infinity> Diff from 4.0 to 5.0
[21:01] <LocutusOfBorg> yep
[21:01] <infinity> So, in the interest of being safe for backports, removing arm64 might also be correct.
[21:01] <LocutusOfBorg> so in the meanwhile s390x got gold support?
[21:01] <infinity> Would seem so.
[21:01] <infinity> tjaalton: ^-- Revert that line to 4.0's version, IMO.
[21:01] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/339397587/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-s390x.binutils_2.29.1-4ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:01] <LocutusOfBorg> confirmed
[21:02] <tjaalton> infinity: alright
[21:02] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[21:03]  * LocutusOfBorg goes to sleep
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[02:02] <jrwren> i can't remember, does flash player work in chromium on rpi?
[17:08] <cmaloney> Good morning
[17:13] <rick_h__> morning
[18:44] <mrgoodcat> morning
[18:44] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: i can't think of any reason it would be different on rpi than any other hardware
[19:46] <cmaloney> unless they didnt make an arm version


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[00:08] <ubotu> New bug: #180452 in amarok (main) "Amarok adds same item in infinite loop in random playlist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180452
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #180454 in ubuntu "kernel of 7.04 defective on VIA P4M533T chipset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180454
[00:32] <ubotu> New bug: #180456 in gtksourceview2 (main) "Perl highlighting incorrect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180456
[00:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180458 in mlview (universe) "viewml crashes on save HTML2+MathML document" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180458
[00:47] <ubotu> New bug: #180459 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "strange opengl artifacts with 945GM/GMS/940GML" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180459
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #180460 in hellanzb (universe) "[sync] update hellanzb to 0.13-3 from unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180460
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #180461 in linux (main) "2.6.24: amd64 slab-allocator local DoS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180461
[01:21] <bdmurray> thekorn_: I've started testing the bughelper/text.dev branch a bit and was wondering where put issues I've had.  separate bug reports or one? the mailing list?
[01:23] <wolfger> bug reports should be one per issue
[01:23] <wolfger> right?
[01:24] <wolfger> otherwise, it's a mess to keep track of what's fixed and what isn't
[01:28] <bdmurray> wolfger: that's true
[01:29] <bdmurray> however, I don't think the branch will go anywhere unless all of the issue are fixed
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180464 in firefox (main) "video error " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180464
[01:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180463 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in idle_populate_func()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180463
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #180465 in ubuntu "GDM is incredibly slow and unresponsive with Compiz/intel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180465
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #127459 in sbackup (universe) "sbackupd.py crashed with OSError in delete()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127459
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180470 in ktoon (universe) "FTBFS: ktoon 0.8-1: undefined reference to `DDebug::DDebug(DebugType)'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180470
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180471 in alsa-driver (main) "Hardware Volume Control no longer works on Toshiba Laptop after upgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180471
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #180472 in hal (main) "hald hangs USB camera/resets USB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180472
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180473 in acpi-support (main) "Hardy regression:  cannot come back from suspend on Dell Latitude 110l" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180473
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #132842 in gnome-schedule (universe) "scheduleapplet.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132842
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180474 in wammu (universe) "[hardy] wammu unable to connect with Nokia 6086" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180474
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180475 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (multiverse) "unable to install flash plugin by installing ubuntu-restricted-extras" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180475
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180477 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "list of avahi services not being updated by service-discovery-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180477
[03:51] <ubotu> New bug: #180478 in ia32-libs (universe) "pulseaudio support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180478
[05:26] <ubotu> New bug: #180482 in update-manager (main) "upgrading 7.10 crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180482
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180483 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "The update wizard crashes when was doing an update of adept. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180483
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180486 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Please sync MonoDevelop to upstream version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180486
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #180489 in libhiglayout-java (multiverse) "Please move libhiglayout-java and freecol to universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180489
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180491 in nspluginwrapper (multiverse) "npviewer.bin broken 32UL dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180491
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #180492 in kdebase (main) "khelpcenter install fails - kdelibs4c2a not satisfiable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180492
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180493 in samba (main) "nmbd shuts down when network disconnected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180493
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #122077 in f-spot "Please add to right hand context menu "Display file in folder location" + add photo folder to f-spot album sync support" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122077
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #180496 in firefox (main) "[Hardy] Firefox dies with a BadAlloc error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180496
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #180498 in firefox (main) "I can not wacht any video, please tell me what I have to do." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180498
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180499 in ubuntu "8.04 alpha 2 - Blank "Screen and Graphics Preferences"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180499
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180500 in blam (universe) "Please sync latest version from Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180500
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #180502 in libcommons-lang-java (universe) "[patch] Fix for FTBFS - 'ant' is missing from Build-Depends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180502
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #180503 in osdclock (universe) "osdclock obscured by gnome-panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180503
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #180504 in qdvdauthor (multiverse) "Please merge qdvdauthor 1:1.0.0~rc3-0.2 from debian-multimedia.org unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180504
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180505 in adept (main) "Java destroys APT " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180505
[09:30] <thekorn_> bdmurray: I prefere seperate bugreports per issue,
[09:30] <thekorn_> but I'm also fine with one big report to the mailing list
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180506 in ubuntu "kdesktop_lock hangs when locking screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180506
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180507 in linux-source-2.6.22 "seemingly random kernel panic; keyboard lights flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180507
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180509 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Toshiba Tecra M3 fails to suspend when docked, works when undocked." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180509
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180511 in evolution (main) "keine Termine mehr im Kalender" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180511
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180515 in gksu (main) "Can't kill or abandon a gksudo session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180515
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #180512 in openoffice.org (main) "french accents turned into chinese characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180512
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #180513 in gdm (main) "Should use --description option to gksudo to show friendly name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180513
[10:39] <ubotu> New bug: #180516 in qdvdauthor (multiverse) "Buttons / templates missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180516
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180517 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ata_generic and pata_sis fail with "Unknown symbol" messages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180517
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180518 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "rt73usb + rt2x00 module connect but wireless exceedingly slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180518
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #180522 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox stays on "Pause"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180522
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180525 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "firefox-3.0 pornlib resizes images into works of abstract art" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180525
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180528 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] latex-cjk-cyberbit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180528
[12:05] <Arelis> I think i may have found a bug. It happened before, too, but after i rebooted it was fine. Now i'm on a new Ubuntu install.. Suddenly, the same thing happened again.. and rebooting fixed it. BUT, i can't see what causes it, so maybe it's a bug. What it does, is makes it unable to start -ANY- application, not even "reboot". Here's the error:
[12:05] <Arelis> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 550: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!
[12:05] <Arelis> i get that when trying to start a program.
[12:06] <Arelis> I'm on Ubuntu gutsy.
[12:06] <Arelis> It happened after i played a game called 'nexuiz'.
[12:06] <Arelis> my vidoecard is an ATI Radeon 9600
[12:09] <persia> Arelis: That's a deep bug.  I've no idea how to start troubleshooting it, but you might want to look for a possible dup in the bugtracker, and if not, you definitely want to file it to get more attention than might be received on IRC on the weekend.
[12:12] <Arelis> Alright.
[12:12] <Arelis> So it actually IS a bug?
[12:13] <persia> If you can reproduce it by reinstalling, running nexuiz, and having it break, and then rebooting fixes it, I'd say so.  Do you have any non-Ubuntu repositories enabled?
[12:14] <Arelis> Nope. Not any. After i got that error the first time, i decided not to screw around anymore.
[12:14] <DarkMageZ> fglrx or xorg ati?
[12:14] <Arelis> fglrx
[12:15] <Arelis> It happend -WHILE- running nexuiz. Before it just worked. Only at some point in the game, and time.. things started to act weird. But i remember the same thing happened to me, WITHOUT running Nexuiz
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #180529 in cjk (universe) "Replace use of song cyberbit font in examples" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180529
[12:15] <Arelis> i was actually running a lightweight wm then, "awesome"
[12:15] <persia> without nexuiz?  Even odder.  Were you maybe using a different GL application?
[12:16] <Arelis> Not that i know of. Maybe glxgears or fgl_glxgears to test DRI
[12:16] <Arelis> Also, searching for "Inconsistency detected by ld.so" doesn't bring up anything in launchpad
[12:17] <Arelis> But as i recall, after running that things didn't get weird. It was at some random point in time, that apps suddenly didn't start anymore.
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180530 in libjfreechart-java (universe) "[Sync request] Sync libjfreechart-java (1.0.9-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180530
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180531 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] screenrules / gruler" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180531
[12:27] <Arelis> persia: Do you gain anything from that information?
[12:28] <persia> Arelis: Only a suspicion that it might be the fglrx driver, and not likely a direct nexuiz bug.
[12:31] <Arelis> persia: Hmm. Also, i noticed something strange. There is a directory named "file:" in my home dir. I rememebered that happened too, with the previous install. Yesterday, it wasn't there.
[12:32] <persia> Arelis: That's unexpected.  Maybe related.  You might check the timestamp on the file. and see if there is anything interesting matching that in /var/logs/syslog (just guessing here).
[12:32] <Arelis> thu 03 jan 2008 23:10:52 CET
[12:32] <Arelis> hmm, a few days ago..
[12:33] <persia> Maybe not related then.
[12:34] <Arelis> persia: here is my syslog though: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50846/
[12:35] <persia> Arelis: I'm guessing you had your issue around 12:53?
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180532 in agenda.app (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync agenda.app 0.28-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180532
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180534 in transmission (universe) "Please update transmission to latest version (1.0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180534
[12:36] <Arelis> persia: Hmm.... well, almost immediately after it happened, i rebooted and came here.
[12:36] <Arelis> I didn't watch the time, back thenb.
[12:36] <Arelis> But i think, yeah. It's 13:36 now
[12:37] <persia> I'm just guessing at a minute or two before the restart.  I don't see anything odd, although you've more USB device resets than is common (at least in my limited experience).
[12:37] <Arelis> persia: I had to restart using the button on the computer itself, so i don't think it's listed in there.
[12:38] <persia> Arelis: Jan  5 12:57:18 robins-desktop-computer syslogd 1.4.1#21ubuntu3: restart.
[12:39] <Arelis> persia: I tried using 'reboot' and ctrl+alt+delete before. It did SOMETHING, like, beep.. but then it didn't do anything
[12:39] <Arelis> i didn't have my shell anymore, though
[12:39] <persia> Maybe it was trying to shut down, and failed somehow.  If there was no visual feedback, that makes fglrx a more likely culprit.
[12:40] <Arelis> persia: It was on a TTY. I couldn't start a terminal in GNOME. Since fglrx is Xorg-related, i think not.
[12:40] <persia> Arelis: You encountered this issue without ever having started an X session?
[12:41] <Arelis> persia: The X session was still open. Normally i work in GNOME. But i couldn't start a terminal, so switched to TTY1, and tried some commands there. X was still open, though. As were other programs that were open before. But new programs just wouldn't start.
[12:43] <persia> Arelis: That's what I thought.  If it is due to the driver module, it only needs to be loaded (and perhaps poked in a special way), rather than being actively used.  On the other hand, you may have found a kernel or glibc bug.
[12:50] <Arelis> persia: hmm.
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #180535 in ubuntu "network settings; utter uselessness thereof for PPPoE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180535
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180536 in cowbell (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync cowbell <IP_ADDRESS>-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180536
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180540 in taglib-sharp (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync taglib-sharp <IP_ADDRESS>-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180540
[13:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180541 in totem (main) "[Gutsy] Totem crashes on visual effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180541
[13:27] <ubotu> New bug: #180542 in openoffice.org-amd64 (main) "Office will not launch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180542
[13:32] <ubotu> New bug: #180544 in ubuntu "ipw2200 drived fails to load firmware on linux-image-2.6.24-2-386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180544
[13:32] <ubotu> New bug: #180545 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Ubuntu crashes on startup and logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180545
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180546 in aptoncd (universe) "APTonCD only works with metapackage option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180546
[13:53] <ubotu> New bug: #180547 in libfeedparser-ruby (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync libfeedparser-ruby 0.5-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180547
[13:54] <ubotu> New bug: #180552 in jruby0.9 (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync jruby0.9 0.9.9-7 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180552
[13:54] <ubotu> New bug: #180553 in jruby1.0 (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync jruby1.0 1.0.2-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180553
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180548 in kimwitu-doc (universe) "[FTBFS] kimwitu-doc (10a+1-2) fails to build in hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180548
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180551 in postfix (main) "Postfix myhostname defaults to uname() not gethostname()." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180551
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180555 in firefox (main) "Mmap filled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180555
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180557 in alsa-driver (main) "[Hardy] Sound doesn't work out of the box on Acer TravelMate 6292 (Alsa HDA INTEL driver / Realtek ALC268 Codec)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180557
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180560 in kdepim (main) "Kandy has wrong at-command in GUI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180560
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180561 in casper (main) "The liveCD should beep when the boot prompt shows out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180561
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #180564 in linux-meta (main) "kernel 2.6.22-14-generic doesn't restart timer after suspend-to-ram" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180564
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180566 in network-manager-pptp (universe) "NetworkManager zaps resolv.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180566
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180567 in sane-backends (main) "Module" scanner" disapear with last libsane update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180567
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #180569 in linux-meta (main) "Kernel OOPS when mounting NFSv4 share with Kerberos 5 authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180569
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180570 in qemu (universe) "qemu segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180570
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180572 in evolution (main) "Evolution reply-all moves all recipients except first name to CC: list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180572
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #180573 in coq (universe) "[Sync request] Sync coq (8.1.pl3+dfsg-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180573
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #180576 in gnome-main-menu (universe) "upgrade gnome-main-menu to 0.9.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180576
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #180578 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "package flashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: underprocess post-installation script gav felkod 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180578
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #180579 in tracker (main) "trackerd hangs in endless loop while indexing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180579
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #180582 in pasmo (universe) "Please sync pasmo 0.5.3-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180582
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180583 in iceowl (universe) "Please sync iceowl 0.7-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180583
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180584 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slist_foreach()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180584
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180585 in ubuntu "KDE4 - Screen Shadow during application display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180585
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180586 in pypar2 (universe) "PyPar2 final status diplay does not show all text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180586
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180589 in nted (universe) "Please update NtEd to latest version (0.15.0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180589
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180590 in totem (main) "movies dark" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180590
[16:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180592 in gnome-panel (main) "[gutsy] area de notificacion del sistema bloqueado" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180592
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #180594 in ubuntu "package falcon" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180594
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #180595 in quicksynergy (universe) "[Hardy] Quicksynergy crashes when starting server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180595
[16:46] <crimeboy> part
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #180598 in acpi-support (main) "change isAnyWirelessPoweredOn() accordingly to the removal of the old status kernel interface" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180598
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #180599 in update-manager (main) "installArchives() failed during Xubuntu upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180599
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #180600 in ncurses (main) "libncurses5.so missing in package lib32ncurses5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180600
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #180602 in vim (main) "gvim resize issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180602
[17:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180606 in ubuntu "attempted iceweasel installation makes gutsy lose net connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180606
[18:03] <LucidFox> No, seriously... installing iceweasel from Debian repositories on Ubuntu?
[18:03] <LucidFox> What did he smoke?
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180608 in adept (main) "adept Crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180608
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180610 in ekiga (main) "No registration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180610
[18:46] <ubotu> New bug: #180614 in ubuntu "installation crashes, file damaged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180614
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180615 in inkscape (main) "Inkscape: second imported SVG has corrupted text" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180615
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180616 in gimmie (universe) "gimmie_applet crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_container_remove()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180616
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180617 in ubuntu "Please package Xiangqiboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180617
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180618 in ubuntu "Please package Frag" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180618
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #180619 in vnc4 (main) "Xorg extension VNC aborts on keyboard input" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180619
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #180620 in ubuntu "Double mount in one directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180620
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180622 in ubiquity (main) "install aborted with alleged disk error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180622
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180623 in ktoon (universe) ""Tip of the day" empty for locale != "en"/"es"" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180623
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180624 in cheese (universe) "cheese new upstream version 0.3.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180624
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180625 in mnemosyne (universe) "Request Mnemosyne package upgrade to version 1.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180625
[19:47] <ubotu> New bug: #180627 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox saves mp3 tag at start of file but loads already existing tag from end of file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180627
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #180628 in ia32-libs (universe) "[Hardy wishlist]libsepol1 and libselinux1 needed to run skype 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180628
[19:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180630 in ubuntu "Acer 5920 DMA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180630
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #180631 in yelp (main) "yelp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180631
[20:17] <jtt> can anyone tell me what package would be involved withe the recovery mode?
[20:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180634 in evolution (main) "Search folder for labeled messages doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180634
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #180635 in evolution (main) "Should be able to force GnuPG encryption to certain email addresses or domains" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180635
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #180638 in tcl8.5 (universe) "package tcl8.5-dev 8.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/lib/libtclstub8.5.a', che si trova anche nel pacchetto tcl8.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180638
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180636 in kaffeine (main) "dvd video is slow and jerky" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180636
[20:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180637 in nautilus (main) "corrupted orphaned inode list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180637
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #180639 in yelp (main) "yelp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180639
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #180640 in kdepim (main) ""Crypto Settings" tab of Contacts module in kontact will not allow one to set a PGP/GPG key to use" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180640
[20:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180641 in debian-installer (main) "Ubuntu 7.1 get initramfs on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180641
[21:00] <ubotu> New bug: #180646 in ubuntu "auto install- specific application for specific hardware" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180646
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #180648 in hplip (main) "hp deskjet 2180 hardy problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180648
[21:13] <jtt> is brian murray around?
[21:25] <blueyed> jtt: according to /whois he's away
[21:25] <jtt> ok thanks i often wondered how to tell someone was away now i know thanks
[21:26] <jtt> i am not up on all the  irc  jingo
[21:26] <jtt> lingo
[21:27]  * greg-g wonders how you set that "away" field in the whois
[21:27] <jtt> wonders how you use  /whois
[21:28] <jtt> i just tried /whois  jtt and nada came back
[21:28] <greg-g> "/whois nick"
[21:28] <greg-g> so, to whois me, you would type /whois greg-g
[21:28] <jtt> did  /whois  jtt   nothing comes back
[21:29] <jtt> can i do it in the channel or do i have to go to the server
[21:29] <greg-g> where ever you want
[21:29] <greg-g> make sure there is only 1 space between /whois and jtt
[21:30] <jtt> did it  one space  nothing comes back let me go off and come back
[21:30] <greg-g> it should show up in your "server" window/tab
[21:30] <greg-g> dang
[21:30] <greg-g> jtt it should show up in your "server" window/tab
[21:31] <jtt> oh ok lets see if it is there
[21:31]  * greg-g goes to make some tea
[21:32] <jtt> greg-g, thanks that is where it is at
[21:33] <blueyed> greg-g: "/away <where>"
[21:33] <blueyed> see e.g. http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
[21:34] <greg-g> thanks blueyed
[21:45] <ubotu> New bug: #180649 in sound-juicer (main) "helpfile to gnome-audio-profiles not found " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180649
[21:49] <caravena> Hello, como debug gimmie? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507535
[21:49] <ubotu> Gnome bug 507535 in general "Not start gimmie" [Critical,Unconfirmed]
[21:49] <caravena> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace not work for python.
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #180652 in ubuntu "Mercury messenger problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180652
[22:44] <geser> caravena: python usual gives you an error message and a stack trace when it founds an error
[22:45] <caravena> geser: ok, tanks.
[22:48] <geser> from the error in the gnome bug it looks like a function was called wrong (one argument missing)
[22:49] <Gumm1> does anyone have hardy here?
[22:52] <geser> Gumm1: you will find people running hardy in #ubuntu+1
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #180655 in rhythmbox (main) "doesn't recognize sound card" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180655
[23:01] <ubotu> New bug: #180656 in ubuntu "After hibernation, I get into my keyring with my user password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180656
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #180657 in gnomeradio (universe) "Gnomeradio tray icon dose not handle transparency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180657
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #180658 in linux-source-2.6.22 "acpi does not report correct temperature on Intel Pentium 4 CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180658
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #180659 in bluez-utils (main) "No Bluetooth Device Detected in hcitool dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180659
[23:31] <ubotu> New bug: #180661 in retchmail (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync retchmail 1:1.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180661
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #180662 in ubuntu "locale in pt_PT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180662
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #180664 in ubuntu "WPA will not connect with Ralink RT73 driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180664
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #180665 in totem (main) "Totem cannot seek in ogg/theora http streams" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180665
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #180666 in libgeda (universe) "Bashism in debian/rules" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180666
[23:55] <ubotu> New bug: #180667 in nfs-utils (main) "frozen boot process by starting up nfs-kernerl-server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180667


[00:00] <head_victim> Hmmm I see the same issue
[00:01] <Fudge> whoops
[00:02] <head_victim> Just pinged the relevant people, depending on who's away on holidays, etc, it should get fixed at some stage.
[00:02] <head_victim> The.com.au is also broken
[00:04] <Fudge> damn
[09:11] <head_victim> Fudge: website looks like it's back
[09:18] <Fudge> :D
[13:12] <sagaci> under 7000
[13:27] <jmscomtech> does anyone now how i can merge the taskbar and the side bar in ubuntu 11.10?


[04:12] <Scary_Guy> Hope you flip it off soon, lots of luck.  My dad had that, hasn't come back yet at least.
[15:52] <cmaloney> Thanks
[16:54] <jrwren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgArAUAcBk my sweet sweet first love
[17:31] <cmaloney> I love my 800XL
[17:32] <cmaloney> First love was the 400, then the 800, then the 800XL
[17:32] <jrwren> you're a little older than me :)
[17:32] <cmaloney> That machine got tricked out with a RAMBO 256K and a Black Box for a HDD / RS232
[17:32] <cmaloney> and printer
[17:33] <cmaloney> Yeah, but it's still the same machine underneath


[17:21] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-kernel, apw said: !kernel-faq is Common Kernel questions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[17:22] <apw> ubot2, reporting in on me are you!
[17:22] <ubot2> apw: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:22] <apw> i would never make _that_ mistake
[17:23] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-kernel, apw said: !kernel-faq is Common Kernel questions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[19:29] <jussi> !kernel
[20:09] <jiw> Hi, is the name Shipit trademarked/copyrighted?
[20:09] <MichealH> jiw I would guess so
[20:10] <jiw> If it is, it isn't marked as such anywhere on the website
[20:13] <IdleOne> there is a contact link, you could email and ask


[00:12] <cjwatson> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/cjwatson-pcj-testing/1.1 - qualified exclamation of glorious victory
[00:12] <cjwatson> The Builds link goes to the private archive - do we think that's a problem?
[00:14] <cjwatson> I think it's unrestricted the actual .debs though
[00:15] <cjwatson> Let's see what publishing that does
[00:28] <wgrant> cjwatson: That's normal.
[00:29] <wgrant> Indeed, it looks good.
[00:29] <cjwatson> Ah, that BPB is in fact public because BPB permissions are odd.
[00:31] <wgrant> Right, BPB.private [00:32] <cjwatson> So that's all good.
[04:42] <StevenK> wallyworld, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/destroy-old-privacy-ui/+merge/112002
[04:43] <wallyworld> lots of LOC credit there
[04:44] <StevenK> It only hits -488
[04:44] <StevenK> Bug{Visibility,Security}Change are probably only worth another -20
[04:44] <StevenK> Er, -200
[04:49] <wallyworld> StevenK: field_names on BugSecrecyEditView doesn't need to be a property anymore
[04:52] <wallyworld> same with schema i think
[04:53] <StevenK> schema has to remain a property
[04:53] <StevenK> I think you're right, field_names = ['information_type'] should be fine
[04:54] <wallyworld> why does scheme need to be a property? lots of other places don't do it that way
[04:54] <wallyworld> it was only a property because of the logic involved
[04:55] <wallyworld> with the feature flag afaiui
[04:55] <StevenK> wallyworld: It needs to protect the class defined in it to not get eval'd too early.
[04:55] <StevenK> wallyworld: Keep in mind InformationTypeVocabulary() still has two feature flags that get read on initialize.
[04:56] <wallyworld> ah, ok. thanks
[04:56] <wallyworld> StevenK: these lines:
[04:56] <wallyworld> 159	- if not self.request.is_ajax:
[04:56] <wallyworld> 160	- return canonical_url(self.context)
[04:56] <wallyworld> 161	- return None
[04:56] <wallyworld> 162	+ return canonical_url(self.context)
[04:56] <wallyworld> i don't think they need to (or can be) changed
[04:57] <StevenK> We no longer do a AJAX call
[04:57] <wallyworld> really? ok
[04:57] <wallyworld> i guess we do a patch then?
[04:58] <wallyworld> it must be an xhr call of some sort though
[04:58] <StevenK> wallyworld: Sure, which is done in the JS
[04:58] <StevenK> Doesn't involve the form or its next_url in any way
[04:59] <wallyworld> you sure? many other places in the js do a post and reuse the same form at the backend
[04:59] <wallyworld> so the ajax check is required
[04:59] <StevenK> wallyworld: Yes. The JS uses ChoiceSource
[04:59] <wallyworld> and this was originally written to work that way
[05:00] <wallyworld> ok, so the choicesource widget must call lp_client.patch then i assume
[05:01] <wallyworld> which does a named_post
[05:01] <StevenK> Yes, which uses the *API*, not the form machinery.
[05:02] <wallyworld> yes
[05:05] <wallyworld> StevenK: so if the api is used, transitionToInformationType() returns True. the old ajax call returned the direct subscribers so the subscription portlet could be updated since changing info type also can mess with subscribers. how do we handle that now?
[05:06] <StevenK> wallyworld: We don't, currently. But I'm not sure we care since changing the information_type isn't going to mess subscribers soon.
[05:07] <wallyworld> StevenK: you sure? there's a card jc is looking at which will
[05:07] <wallyworld> bug 1014922
[05:08] <StevenK> wallyworld: The reason it updates subscibers is due to visibility, and the rule that subscription confers visibility is going away, so ...
[05:08] <wallyworld> StevenK: but you are not allowed to be subscribed to bugs you can't see
[05:08] <wallyworld> so if a bug is made private, some people don't be able to see the bug anymore, hence will be unsubscribed
[05:09] <wallyworld> plus making a bug private may add subscribers in defined roles
[05:09] <wgrant> No
[05:09] <wgrant> Well, only the person who is performing the action
[05:09] <wgrant> It won't add others.
[05:09] <wallyworld> defined roles definition may change sure
[05:10] <wallyworld> atm it adds bug supervisor or pillar owner etc
[05:10] <wallyworld> but the point is, the subscribers list changes and we seem to have a regression
[05:10] <wallyworld> in not updating the ui after a info type change
[05:10] <wallyworld> since before the ui change, it all worked as expected
[05:15] <wallyworld> StevenK: i think we can delete this entire block of code?
[05:15] <wallyworld> 371	- if (not bool(getFeatureFlag(
[05:15] <wallyworld> 372	- 'disclosure.show_information_type_in_ui.enabled')) and
[05:15] <wallyworld> 373	- extra_data.private):
[05:15] <wallyworld> 374	- if params.information_type == InformationType.PUBLIC:
[05:15] <wallyworld> 375	+ if extra_data.private:
[05:15] <wallyworld> 376	+ if params.information_type in PUBLIC_INFORMATION_TYPES:
[05:16] <StevenK> Nope, it's used, I think.
[05:16] <StevenK> There were one or two tests that depended on the behaviour at least.
[05:18] <wallyworld> StevenK: but won' the initial if condition in the original code always be false with the ff turned on? so the code will never be evaluated
[05:18] <StevenK> wallyworld: I can't recall the reason I added the guard there.
[05:18] <StevenK> It clearly shouldn't be.
[05:19] <StevenK> I think I had the guard when that function was expecting private/security_related to flow through the whole thing
[05:19] <wallyworld> perhaps with ff turned on extra_data.private is replaced by extra_data.information_type
[05:19] <StevenK> wallyworld: Sadly not
[05:21] <StevenK> extra_data.information_type should probably be added.
[05:24] <wallyworld> yes
[05:25] <wallyworld> StevenK: what text is printed out in place of this?
[05:25] <wallyworld> 843	- >>> print admin_browser.contents
[05:25] <wallyworld> 844	- <!DOCTYPE...
[05:25] <wallyworld> 845	- ...This is a private bug...Foo Bar...won’t be notified...
[05:25] <wallyworld> do we need to fix the test so it checks?
[05:25] <StevenK> That is looking for a notification that is no longer printed.
[05:25] <wallyworld> ok
[05:26] <StevenK> wallyworld: That test sucked to debug. The notification isn't in the contents so the doctest prints out the 400 lines of contents
[05:27] <wallyworld> yeah, i hate that too
[05:29] <wallyworld> StevenK: in this case though, can't we check for the new info type text?
[05:29] <wallyworld> 985	- ...  But that bug might end up being marked as Invalid :-)
[05:41] <wallyworld> what am i missing?
[05:41] <wallyworld> the subscribers list can change, no?
[05:41] <wallyworld> at the very least, the person marking the bug private will be subscribed
[05:41] <wallyworld> so the subscribers list will need updating
[05:42] <StevenK> wallyworld: Oh, your second comment is related to extra_data.private -- there's a test around for that -- I'll ignore that bit for now, and mention to Curtis if it is actually used at all
[05:42] <wallyworld> ok
[05:42] <wallyworld> the second one was more of a request just to see what might be needed
[05:46] <StevenK> wallyworld: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1017818
[05:46] <_mup_> Bug #1017818: subscriber list does not update after changing information type <disclosure> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1017818 >
[05:46] <StevenK> Oh sure, *now* _mup_ answers.
[05:46] <wallyworld> StevenK: thanks. i hope i'm not missing something stupid asking for that bug to be raised
[05:47] <StevenK> wallyworld: Well, as you say, the person doing the action may end up subscribed
[05:47] <wallyworld> and *possibly* others removed
[05:47] <wallyworld> as per jc's card
[05:48] <StevenK> Right
[05:48] <StevenK> Stuff might happen, as it were.
[05:48] <wallyworld> StevenK: so we may need to undelete the code that constructs the json data struct :-)
[05:49] <StevenK> Ew
[05:49] <StevenK> It will probably have to be in JS, rather than in the form
[05:49] <wallyworld> well, ideally we wouldn't make a 2nd xhr call
[05:49] <wallyworld> so the call to update the info type would return the data needed to update the ui
[05:50] <StevenK> Maybe.
[05:50] <wallyworld> or at least update the request cache
[05:50] <StevenK> That sounds okay
[05:50] <wallyworld> which would also eliminate a 2nd call
[05:50] <wallyworld> whatever works :-)
[05:51] <StevenK> wallyworld: This branch has been through ec2 twice, but since it's so large I'm going to toss it for a third run.
[05:51] <wallyworld> good idea :-)
[07:22] <jelmer> 'morning
[07:38] <jelmer> jam!
[07:38] <jam> jelmer: !
[07:38] <jam> cjwatson: you're on the blame list for buildbot failing. http://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_lp/builds/2182
[07:38] <jam> It looks unrelated (celery failure,  I believe)
[07:43] <cjwatson> Yeah, no way that's related to my change.  -ops suggested it's already been forced
[07:47] <jelmer> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/no-revhistory-1/+merge/112018
[07:48] <adeuring> good morning
[07:54] <StevenK> cjwatson: Yes, twice, in fact.
[09:26] <jelmer> gmb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1060456/
[09:28] <gmb> jelmer, https://lists.launchpad.net/yellow/msg00938.html
[09:29] <jelmer> gmb: gracias
[10:04] <wgrant> adeuring: That patch should land on devel if it's been applied live.
[10:04] <wgrant> adeuring: Not db-devel
[10:04] <wgrant> adeuring: That is a live patch, so it's probably been applied live already or should be soon.
[10:04] <adeuring> wgrant: no, flacoste asked me to back it out.
[10:05] <adeuring> wgrant: and since the bug is really old, it does not matter if the brach is merged a few days sooner or later ;)
[10:06] <wgrant> adeuring: I saw, but I think he misunderstood.
[10:06] <wgrant> https://dev.launchpad.net/PolicyAndProcess/DatabaseSchemaChangesProcess
[10:06] <wgrant> "For hot patches the target is lp:launchpad, but for cold patches it should be lp:launchpad/db-devel. "
[10:06] <wgrant> And that looks like a hot patch
[10:06] <wgrant> stub: Has the ftq patch been applied anywhere yet?
[10:07] <stub> wgrant: no, not that I'm aware of
[10:07] <stub> IIRC it is a hot patch, no need for downtime
[10:07] <adeuring> wgrant: yes, you're right -- but I'll simply merge the branch now into db-devel ;)
[10:07] <wgrant> Right, => devel
[10:07] <wgrant> adeuring: No!
[10:07] <wgrant> db-devel is for cold patches
[10:07] <adeuring> why?
[10:07] <stub> I don't care where it lands but I'm not the shephard
[10:08] <wgrant> If you merge it into db-devel, all it means is I have to merge db-stable into devel an extra time tomorrow
[10:08] <wgrant> It achieves nothing other than delays :)
[10:08] <wgrant> db-devel is the downtime queue
[10:08] <wgrant> This doesn't need downtime, so it does not belong on db-devel.
[10:08] <adeuring> wgrant: so just wait until a merge is necessary anyway ;)
[10:09] <wgrant> Simplest solution is to ask stub to apply it now and then land to devel in 5 minutes when it's applied everywhere :)
[10:10] <stub> point me at the patch/mp
[10:10] <adeuring> stub: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-29713/+merge/111212
[10:11] <adeuring> tjhough that one is meanwhile reverted
[10:11] <adeuring> stub: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-29713-db-dev/+merge/112043
[10:17] <stub> adeuring:  I'll apply the db patch in https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-29713-db-dev/+merge/112043 now.
[10:17] <adeuring> stub: great, thanks!
[10:20] <stub> Gah. Whitespace munging, cut & paste, urgh
[10:25] <stub> adeuring: done
[10:25] <adeuring> stub: thanks
[10:28] <adeuring> stub: you ran the patch on qastaging, right?
[10:28] <stub> adeuring: No, just production
[10:28] <stub> I'll do qastaging now
[10:28] <adeuring> stub: ok
[10:30] <stub> Done on qastaging
[12:39] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/remove-single-custom-upload-exception/+merge/112093
[12:42] <wgrant> cjwatson: Thanks
[13:05] <ivory> rick_h_: abel said you could maybe help me with a problem in html (if you got time for it)?
[13:05] <rick_h_> ivory: sure thing
[13:06] <ivory> rick_h_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ivo-kracht/launchpad/bug-806660/revision/15436
[13:06] <ivory> rick_h_: i created a seperate form but the "Add" button is offset and i dont know why
[13:07] <ivory> rick_h_: oh this is the bug i amworking on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/806660
[13:07] <_mup_> Bug #806660: "Add a new address" in e-mail settings does the wrong thing when pressing Enter <easy> <ui> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by ivo-kracht> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/806660 >
[13:07] <rick_h_> loading
[13:08] <rick_h_> ivory: so the add button is offset in the initial html? You're wanting to get rid of that offset?
[13:10] <ivory> rick_h_: no the new one is offset to the right and i want it to be like theold one was
[13:12] <rick_h_> ivory: so what I would do is colspace the <td> and then using padding-left to get it where you want it.
[13:12] <rick_h_> ivory: now that it's not connected to the rules of the other form, it won't really line up automatically and it's splitting the width 50/50 usually by default
[13:12] <rick_h_> the wide content of the second <td> in the upper form was pushing the button over for you
[13:13] <rick_h_> honestly, they should probably be defined in some way so that it's consistant. So with a common width set for that first <td> on both forms
[13:13] <ivory> ah ok i just wondered why it did that, thank you for helping
[13:14] <rick_h_> np
[13:34] <sinzui> rick_h_, Do you agree with my assessment...should this bug be marked wontfix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/383943
[13:35] <rick_h_> loading
[13:37] <rick_h_> sinzui: right, it's the API
[13:37] <rick_h_> sinzui: I mean we could, via getter/setter ATTRS try to mirror things for easier API usage
[13:37] <rick_h_> but seems like more work than it's worth
[13:47] <Laney> can I haz database patch number for bug #1016776 please?
[13:47] <_mup_> Bug #1016776: Users are offered updates to packages in the -proposed staging area pre-release <feature> <launchpad> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016776 >
[13:48] <cjwatson> Argh, I hate DB security
[13:52] <rick_h_> cjwatson: so ummm, I assume this branch is part of stuff you've been working with the ppa pros on?
[13:52] <rick_h_> cjwatson: so you need this to land by wed in production? or the prev code is scheduled to be tested there then?
[13:53] <cjwatson> rick_h_: Which one, sorry?
[13:54] <rick_h_> cjwatson: sorry, the one in review with your deletions for the unembargo code
[13:54] <rick_h_> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/remove-unembargo-package/+merge/112044
[13:54] <cjwatson> rick_h_: No, I was noting an intent not to land it until after I've made sure that the ubuntu-security team can use the new code that should hopefully be deployed tomorrow
[13:55] <cjwatson> There's no rush on remove-unembargo-package; was just getting it in for review early, that's all
[13:55] <rick_h_> ok, so I'll make a comment that review will pend the test
[13:55] <cjwatson> Right, that's what I thought I'd written in my cover letter :-)
[13:55] <cjwatson> Well, there's no harm reviewing it earlier
[13:55] <rick_h_> right, well you said you won't land it, but as the reviewer I'll punt it until after entirely if that doesn't block you at all
[13:55] <cjwatson> But sure
[13:55] <rick_h_> it's not exactly my wheel house, but I don't want to hold you up if you needed this
[13:55] <cjwatson> Not at all, was just getting stuff off my disk
[13:56] <rick_h_> ok, cool
[13:56] <rick_h_> Laney: let me pull that down and get you an id
[13:57] <cjwatson> What is a bit more urgent is my r15491, which I've just marked qa-bad; should I revert that?  I think it's just a security.cfg patch to fix it, but I do need to figure out a test
[13:58] <rick_h_> cjwatson: hmm, so I don't think there will be a deploy by us today. So if you can get the fix in I'd go for the fix
[13:59] <rick_h_> if it'll be tomorrow or tonight (when the aussies get going) I'd revert it out
[13:59] <cjwatson> Should be soon - couple of phone calls coming up but let's see what I can do
[14:00] <rick_h_> cjwatson: ok, sounds like a plan
[14:02] <rick_h_> sinzui: with that nth child, it's just grabbing the submit button right? I wonder if it could just be changed to grab based on name/etc? Or am I misreading that
[14:03] <sinzui> rick_h_, yes, name would also work in this case.
[14:03] <rick_h_> ah, they don't have names so that they're not submitted I'd imagine
[14:05] <sinzui> oh, right <button>
[14:05] <rick_h_> but they have classes I think he could use, so commenting.
[14:05] <rick_h_> thanks for bringing that up
[14:05] <sinzui> I really need to fix the button css so that it looks more like a platform button
[14:13] <Laney> rick_h_: thanks
[14:14] <jelmer> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/no-revhistory-2/+merge/112119
[14:17] <jcsackett> sinzui: free to chat a bit?
[14:18] <sinzui> yes
[14:18] <jcsackett> cool.
[14:22] <jcsackett> sinzui: i've started a hangout.
[14:29] <rick_h_> Laney: ok, claimed 2209-25-1 for you
[14:30] <Laney> excellent, ty
[14:31] <jelmer> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~jelmer/launchpad/no-revhistory-3/+merge/112123
[14:31] <cjwatson> rick_h_: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/copy-custom-uploads-fix/+merge/112122 fixes that regression
[14:32] <rick_h_> cjwatson: looking now
[14:35] <rick_h_> cjwatson: ok, r=me
[14:37] <cjwatson> Thanks
[14:37] <cjwatson> I'll get that landed then
[14:38] <cjwatson> And hopefully re-QA that tonight
[14:42] <ivory> rick_h_: could you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ivo-kracht/launchpad/bug-806660/+merge/112125
[14:42] <rick_h_> sure thing ivory
[14:42] <ivory> rick_h_: thank you
[14:42] <sinzui> jcsackett, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1060851/
[14:52] <rick_h_> ivory: r=me
[14:53] <rick_h_> flacoste: so part of this yui gallery bit is signing their CLA. Should I just sign as an individual, or can I sign this as "Canonical" the organization?
[14:54] <flacoste> do they have a formal process for organization?
[14:54] <flacoste> i don't think it's possible
[14:54] <rick_h_> it's the same form, just with the org filled in and my title added
[14:54] <flacoste> for example, for the Canonical CLA, only individuals can sign them
[14:54] <rick_h_> but there is a checkbox to choose so I wanted to make sure I was going this the right way
[14:54] <rick_h_> https://secure.echosign.com/public/hostedForm?formid=A9PFU5T58653A
[14:55] <rick_h_> ok, I can do individual without worry if that's cool and easier to do
[14:55] <flacoste> yep
[14:56] <flacoste> i think that's the best move forward
[14:56] <rick_h_> ok, thanks
[15:15] <Laney> Just noticed checkmarkable on the dev wiki. I can't use it (forbidden). Should I be able to? :-)
[15:52] <cody-somerville> Why is it taking so long for PPAs to publish built binaries these days?
[15:53] <czajkowski> sinzui: what is the difference of the tag hardening and say privacy ?
[15:54] <sinzui> hardening was a phase of work where we wanted to control *who* has permission. privacy is largely about *what* is and is shown as private
[15:54] <sinzui> hardening is a feature tag.
[16:01] <czajkowski> sinzui: ah ok, thank you
[16:17] <mgz> gmb: https://code.launchpad.net/~gz/launchpad/py27_test_scriptmonitor_logging_1017981/+merge/112160
[16:23] <gmb> mgz: https://dev.launchpad.net/EC2Test
[16:24]  * czajkowski waves at gmb
[16:25] <czajkowski> gmb: working without you is rather quiet
[16:25] <czajkowski> :s
[16:25]  * gmb waves at czajkowski
[16:25] <gmb> Haha.
[16:25] <gmb> Eh, well, I'll be in the office for an afternoon Thursday fortnight, if that's any help.
[16:25] <czajkowski> yarp can be indeed
[16:25] <czajkowski> going in Friday this week as there is after work drinks
[17:25] <czajkowski> maxb: cjwatson may know
[18:02] <rick_h_> gmb: can you review this please? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/yui35_test/+merge/111911
[18:02] <rick_h_> gmb: if the sprint has you busy I'll bug deryck next :)
[18:02] <czajkowski> rick_h_: I think he's EOD he's sprinting
[18:03] <rick_h_> czajkowski: yea, why I ping'd. Didn't update topic/is still in irc, but expecting to bug deryck in a sec
[18:03] <deryck> rick_h_, I can do a review here shortly.  About to do call with abentley
[18:03] <rick_h_> deryck: rgr, no rush. Thank you
[18:22] <cjwatson> czajkowski: hmm?
[18:42] <lifeless> sinzui: have we had any more user confusion about 'contact this user' since the last round of tweaks ?
[18:50] <sinzui> lifeless, The only remark on irc and bugs that I have seen was from our own abentley regarding mass team admin emails.
[18:51] <sinzui> lifeless, I think this is a team hierarchy issue.
[18:51] <sinzui> maas team, not mass team
[18:54] <lifeless> cool
[18:54] <lifeless> sounds like we might have put the monster to rest
[19:29] <maxb> cjwatson: I was wondering on #launchpad if there was a way to ask LP for which Ubuntu series it currently accepted PPA uploads
[19:29] <maxb> czajkowski moved the conversation here thinking you more likely to be around here :-)
[19:31] <abentley> lifeless: Are you aware of any issues with codehosting that prevent opening more than 4 branches in rapid succession?  I see it on qastaging and launchpad.dev, but not production.
[19:33] <maxb> Although.... something seems to have changed in that department, since LP just accepted an upload for edgy (and then failed to build it, of course)
[19:38] <cjwatson> I believe (from the code) that PPAs allow you to upload to any suite that exists, probably because of PES.
[19:38] <cjwatson> edgy is a bit weird; edgy-* exist on ftpmaster.internal but not edgy itself
[19:38] <cjwatson> You can certainly upload to anything currently supported or in-development by Ubuntu.  Anything else is probably best regarded as at-risk.
[19:39] <cjwatson> (But I'm not really a PPA guru, this is just my impression)
[19:41] <cjwatson> As it happens at the moment I rather suspect dapper + feisty-quantal should work provided that the distroarchseries has a working chroot_url; but we've been talking about clearing some of those dists subdirectories off ftpmaster at some point, which will break that.
[19:53] <lifeless> abentley: bzr+ssh ?
[19:53] <lifeless> abentley: or sftp, or $unknown ?
[19:54] <lifeless> abentley: I'm not aware of any intrinsic limits, no. are the opens serialised, or do you have 4 clients concurrently hitting it ?
[19:54] <abentley> lifeless: bzr+ssh and probably sftp
[19:54] <abentley> lifeless: Serialized.
[19:55] <abentley> lifeless: https://pastebin.canonical.com/68914/
[19:56] <lifeless> abentley: whats the failure you get ?
[19:57] <abentley> lifeless: No explicit failure.  It hangs after "bzr+ssh://bazaar.qastaging.launchpad.net/+branch-id/8633".
[19:59] <abentley> lifeless: When I run it locally, it works.  But on devpad, it fails.
[19:59] <abentley> i.e. hangs.
[20:00] <lifeless> do you have ssh master connection use on ?
[20:00] <lifeless> lsof / netstat / strace may help you determine what it is hanging on
[20:01] <lifeless> abentley: if you drop into pdb (ctrl-\ IIRC), what is bzr trying to do ?
[20:01] <abentley> lifeless: No, I don't have ssh master connection use on.
[20:02] <abentley> lifeless: This is a script, so ctrl-\ doesn't drop to pdb.
[20:03] <lifeless> abentley: import bzrlib.breakin; bzrlib.breakin.hook_debugger_to_signal()
[20:03] <lifeless> abentley: should enable that
[20:06] <abentley> lifeless: Thanks.  Backtrace: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1061439/
[20:08] <lifeless> its waiting for ssh to exit
[20:08] <lifeless> hmm
[20:09] <cjwatson> wgrant,StevenK: Dear NDT cabal: I've QAed my follow-up fix to bug 231371 (rick_h advised that I could land that rather than reverting as long as I was quick enough that it'd be in devel by the time you folks woke up).  QA notes in the bug.  I haven't marked it qa-ok yet because (a) it's not on qastaging and (b) there are several revisions between the bad one and the fix, so I guess you need to be aware not to deploy ...
[20:09] <_mup_> Bug #231371: support dist-upgrader-all pocket copy <feature> <lp-soyuz> <qa-bad> <soyuz-publish> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by cjwatson> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/231371 >
[20:09] <cjwatson> ... r15491 without r15499.
[20:10] <cjwatson> It'd be nice if at least up to r15489 could be deployed tomorrow, since I have a window with the security team tomorrow to production-test r15486.
[20:17] <lifeless> abentley: sorry am OTP will ping you soon
[20:37] <lifeless> abentley: so, ssh isn't exiting
[20:38] <lifeless> abentley: we've seen this before I think; one common case is master connections, but also..
[20:38] <abentley> lifeless: The function assumes that closing stdin/stdout will terminate ssh.
[20:39] <abentley> lifeless: in recent versions of bzr, a socket is used.
[20:40] <lifeless> abentley: I'd poke around with lsof on the ssh process its waiting for
[20:40] <lifeless> abentley: see what it thinks is up
[20:44] <abentley> lifeless: It still has a tcp connection: "TCP localhost.localdomain:44533->launchpad.dev:5022 (ESTABLISHED)", and two sockets.
[20:46] <abentley> lifeless: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1061512/
[21:06] <bac> hi james_w, did you get my email request regarding your tarmac scripts?  if not, i'd really like to have a look if you have time to sanitize and send them.
[21:06] <james_w> bac, I did
[21:06] <james_w> bac, I
[21:06] <james_w> 'll sanitise now
[21:07] <bac> james_w: thanks a lot!
[21:17] <timrc> Any idea how I get a list of persons subscribed to a private PPA via the api (akin to +subscriptions in the web ui)?
[21:19] <timrc> I'm seeing https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#archive_subscriber, but not sure how to access it
[21:39] <james_w> bac, lp:~james-w/+junk/tarmac-puppet
[21:40] <bac> got it james_w, thanks
[21:58] <wgrant> jelmer: Have you tested that this Branch.revision_history excision attempt will be less catastrophic than the previous one?
[21:58] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ergh, OK
[21:59] <jelmer> wgrant: Yes - it's also less ambitious
[21:59] <jelmer> wgrant: this one doesn't try to improve performance in any way, it just copes with the fact that bzr has deprecated these two functions but keeps O() the same
[22:00] <jelmer> wgrant: in other words, it won't help with bug 808930
[22:00] <_mup_> Bug #808930: Timeout running branch scanner job <escalated> <linaro> <oops> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by abentley> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/808930 >
[22:06] <wgrant> jelmer: Right, sounds good. Thanks.
[22:11] <jelmer> I do want to improve that bit some time, but not now :)
[22:16] <sinzui> wgrant, https://dev.launchpad.net/Projects/Disclosure
[22:34] <sinzui> StevenK,  https://dev.launchpad.net/Projects/Disclosure
[22:37] <cjwatson> timrc: Right now, I don't think you can.  ArchiveSubscriber only seems to be exported as the return type of Archive.newSubscriber.
[22:37] <cjwatson> *newSubscription
[22:38] <timrc> cjwatson, :/
[23:17] <rick_h_> huwshimi: heads up, got permission to submit the morph module to the YUI Gallery so submitted that today.
[23:17] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Awesome! Nice work :)
[23:18] <rick_h_> huwshimi: I hear you wrote most of it, I've got a branch of it here: https://github.com/mitechie/yui3-gallery/tree/add_morph/src/gallery-anim-morph
[23:18] <rick_h_> updated to all YUI specs and all that jazz. So if we go to reuse it in the future (once this gets approved/merged) it'll be considered the upstream to sync up with.
[23:19] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Nice one :)
[23:19] <huwshimi> rick_h_: I'll have to make sure we replace it in MAAS too.
[23:19] <rick_h_> yea, hopefully going to work on getting more generic stuff up into the gallery
[23:20] <rick_h_> and try to keep apps sync'd using hte gallery versions of things
[23:20] <rick_h_> huwshimi: yea, at some point we can look at that. This adds an API chance we needed for the other project and some more tests, docs, etc.


[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[23:35] <teward> MOTUs!  Question: if Debian is super slow at providing an updated pacakge, is there a way to get Ubuntu to temporarily ship (such that it'd be superseded by Debian autosync) an updated version of the software while bypassing Debian?
[23:36] <teward> (because Debian developer sponsorship is slow as sin compared to here)
[23:36] <Unit193> Unless you're trying to touch something core, then sponsorship/review could take releases apart.
[23:40] <teward> Unit193: makes total sense, actually, but given that there's been no movement in Debian on this (according to the upstream maintainer themselves) :/
[23:40] <teward> it's been sitting for sponsoring in Debian for... oo a better part of a year
[23:40] <sladen> teward: that why Ubuntu packages are  -0ubuntuN, it means they are lower numbered that Debian's -1 of the same package
[23:40] <teward> my question is the review/sponsorship process / timeline
[23:41] <teward> less so the version numbering :P
[23:41] <teward> is it processed like a NEW package being added to Universe?
[23:41] <teward> s/NEW/'new'/
[23:41]  * teward kicks his caps-lock key


[01:07] <afm> gah... that was a fail.. back to google
[01:16] <afm> Repository not found on phablet.ubuntu.com
[01:16] <afm> This may likely be an unsupported build target
[01:16] <afm> Default revision phablet-trusty not found in android_device_oneplus_bacon. Bailing.
[01:16] <afm> obviously! :|
[01:16] <afm> s'why I'm trying to build it!
[01:32] <pngo_> what is a password for phablet?
[01:35] <afm> The images have a pre-configured user account called phablet, with the account password also set to phablet
[01:35] <afm> really... 2 second google....
[01:35] <popey> not any more
[01:36] <popey> the password for phablet is whatever you set the pin/passphrase to
[01:36] <pngo_> popey: thank you I just realized that.
[01:36] <afm> more awesome documentation
[01:37] <popey> afm: which device you hacking on?
[01:37] <afm> one plus one
[01:37] <popey> oh nice!
[01:38] <popey> I have a friend who won one of those in a competition at XDA DevCon a few weeks back
[01:38] <popey> was trying to convince him to attempt a port ☻
[01:39] <afm> i'd love to make it work.. i'm a sysadmin.. but the docs are terrible
[01:40] <afm> i can get invites if anyone's looking
[01:42] <popey> afm: yeah, docs need love
[01:43] <afm> happy to update if i can get it working....
[01:43] <popey> that would be awesome
[01:49] <pngo_> popey: I'n trying to ssh from my computer to the phone, but no luck. It works fine from phone to computer. What am I missing?
[01:49] <popey> ssh not running on phone by default
[01:50] <afm> iptables?
[01:50] <popey> I use "phablet-shell" to connect to my device
[01:50] <afm> netstat -an | grep 22 on the fone?
[01:50] <pngo_> well, I started ssh sudo service ssh start. looks like it works.
[01:50] <popey> i dont think we have iptables enabled
[01:50] <pngo_> oh. ok.
[01:57] <afm> ssh troubleshooting....
[01:57] <afm> is it running and listening?
[01:57] <afm> root@myth:~# service ssh status
[01:57] <afm> ssh start/running, process 839
[01:57] <afm> root@myth:~# netstat -an | grep 22 | grep \*
[01:57] <afm> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:22              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN
[01:57] <afm> any firewall/iptables blocking?
[01:57] <afm> iptables -L
[02:00] <afm> are you on the same subnet as the fone?
[02:01] <pngo_> yes
[02:02] <pngo_> like I said it works fine from phone to computer.
[02:03] <afm> unfamiliar with phablet-*.. if it's running/listening try -vvv
[02:04] <afm> does the phablet-* use keys?  have you transferred yer pub key?
[02:07] <afm> phone to computer has zero to do with the daemon on the phone
[02:07] <pngo_> phablet-shell command is not recognized here.
[02:08] <pngo_> but i'm using debian not ubuntu
[02:09] <afm> is phablet-shell actual ssh or adb?
[02:12] <pngo_> i do not know
[02:13] <pngo_> i think is same as adb shell.
[02:13] <afm> ssh -vvv user@$phone_addy
[02:13] <afm> adb != ssh
[02:15] <afm> ssh to the thing! no need to use phablet tools....
[02:26] <afm> could use some porting help... anyone familiar?
[02:27] <afm> 100% opensource phone
[02:30] <popey> afm: bit late for most
[02:33] <afm> i'm EST.... where ya'll from?
[02:39] <popey> afm: all over, its most active here in EU/US working day, but everyone is a bit madly busy at the moment
[02:40] <afm> understood.. i'ma member of the group... hopeful release for bug fixes tomorrow i think i saw
[06:21] <justCarakas> o/ good morning evening whatever it is at your place all
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:17] <mardy> tvoss: hi! Does the platform API provide some kind of event loop?
[07:17] <tvoss> mardy, nope
[07:18] <mardy> tvoss: OK. I eventually want to (actually, I've been asked to :-) ) make a C++ version (no Qt!) of the Online Accounts APIs, which have many asynchronous methods and rely on an event loop
[07:19] <mardy> tvoss: if the platform API provided an event loop, I could use the QAbstractAventDispatcher class to hook into that, and just wrap the Qt APIs
[07:20] <tvoss> mardy, sure, but I don't think we want to expose an event loop from the platform api. It's a very opinionated choice to force an event loop and the papi is too low-level to take such a decision, due to its effect on so many parts of the stack
[07:21] <mardy> tvoss: that's true
[07:28] <larsu> tvoss: sorry, but saying an event loop is opinionated is pretty far out there. It's about the most main-stream thing you can do
[07:29] <larsu> (not saying you should supply one in papi)
[07:31] <tvoss> larsu, I'm not questioning that it is mainstream, I'm just saying there is a place for it in the stack, and that papi is not the right place to introduce one
[07:35] <pitti> Wellark: system identifier> that's whoopsie, not apport; I think it computes something based on MAC address or maybe IMEI; better ask ev or bdmurray
[07:36] <larsu> tvoss: I understood the "opinionated" part as questioning it. Again, I'm not saying you should supply one, that statement just bothered me :P
[07:39] <anpok_> hm for everything that needs an event loop you can always just expose and fd.. and let the end user pick the event loop
[07:41] <larsu> anpok_: what about libraries?
[07:42] <anpok_> larsu: i meant the library interface could be: here is my fd - let me process things when necessary..
[07:50] <larsu> anpok_: oh right. That's a pretty clumsy api though, especially when you need to pass through fds from other libraries you're using
[07:50] <seb128> mpt, hey, not sure but you might want to assign the ubuntu-ux part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1378333 to yourself
[07:50] <larsu> anpok_: didn't want to start a discussion though, sorry :)
[07:52] <mpt> seb128, wow, that bug summary can be read in two different ways, and both of them are valid bugs
[07:52] <mpt> (1) Preinstalled apps are removed without notice when you upgrade
[07:52] <mpt> (2) If you uninstall a preinstalled app it’s still upgraded when you upgrade the system
[07:53] <anpok_> larsu: np
[07:53] <seb128> mpt, there are several bugs open about the handling of preinstalled apps, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1265250
[07:54] <seb128> mpt, or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1314382
[07:54] <seb128> mpt, that second one is sort of your (2)
[07:54] <mpt> That looks like it, yes
[07:55] <mpt> I was just impressed by the grammar for a moment :-)
[07:56] <seb128> hehe
[08:01] <mpt> charles, did you report a bug about the battery icon being clipped? <http://i.imgur.com/9vK1P6p.jpg>
[08:06] <mpt> charles, nm, reported it as bug 1381387
[08:25] <larsu> mpt: this is probably a bug for MacSlow. Notifications are sent from the system to unity8, which renders them
[08:27] <MacSlow> mpt, I know about that clipping issue... but I've not been able to sort that out yet... first gusses point towards a SVG-renderer-bug in Qt...
[08:28] <MacSlow> mpt, but the volume-warning/sync.-notification keep me busy still so I don't yet know when I can really address this.
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Information Overload Day! :-D
[08:49] <ogra_> thats too much information !
[08:52] <ev> Wellark, pitti: yes, there's a dbus service under the whoopsie umbrella that provides a system identifier. It creates a sha512 hash of the IMEI, system UUID, or MAC address. The aim is to have something stable across reinstalls.
[08:55] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey, I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/1351167/+merge/238155
[08:57] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, thanks! No, bumping is not required, I did it without thinking because I do the same thing in the core apps. I revert to 2.0 asap. And thanks for the suggestion about debian/webbrowser-app.install - I know nothing about packaging
[08:59] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, cool, let me know when it’s ready to test again (and if you need help with packaging changes)
[09:07] <vitimiti> Hi
[09:11] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, tbh, new components use QtQuick 2.3 - I dunno if I can downgrade it, I need to do some tests, I'll update you this night
[09:15] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, ok, if the new components use 2.3 for a good reason that’s absolutely fine, but then let’s keep this confined to the upstreamcomponents/ directory for now
[09:15] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, ok, thanks :-)
[09:32] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, sorry to bother you again, you said the line to add in debian/webbrowser-app.install is usr/share/webbrowser-app/upstreamcomponents/. Should't be usr/share/webbrowser-app/webbrowser/upstreamcomponents ?
[09:34] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, you’re right, but in fact I think the problem is not in debian/webbrowser-app.install
[09:34] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, but rather in the cmake install rules
[09:34] <oSoMoN> let me check
[09:35] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, yes, you will need to add a "install(DIRECTORY upstreamcomponents …" directive to src/app/webbrowser/CMakeLists.txt, around line 50
[09:36] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, and with that you shouldn’t have to change anything in the packagingn
[09:36] <oSoMoN> -n
[09:36] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, ok, gotcha. Do I have to create a CMakeLists.txt also in the upstreacomponents directory?
[09:37] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, also, I downgraded QtQuick also in upstream components. They work well, so also trusty users can use them :-)
[09:40] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, no, no need for an extra CMakeLists.txt there
[09:40] <oSoMoN> cool
[10:21] <dpm> pitti, so we should have a touch full langpack export in about 30 mins. I'll send an e-mail to confirm once the export has finished
[10:31] <pitti> dpm: thanks; mail is better today indeed
[10:32] <Wellark> tvoss: I will review the MP but I need to branch it properly to verify couple of things
[10:33] <Wellark> would be _so_ nice if LP offered full file diffs
[10:33] <tvoss> Wellark, sorry, what?
[10:33] <tvoss> ah okay
[10:35] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, I pushed modifications we talked about, hope they are ok!
[10:36] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, thanks, I’ll take a look at them shortl
[10:36] <oSoMoN> shortly
[10:48] <tvoss> popey, ping with https://bugs.launchpad.net/osmtouch/+bug/1381463
[11:57] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, I commented again on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/1351167/+merge/238155
[12:03] <Wellark> tvoss: should I top-approve, or what's the process with qtubuntu-media? https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/qtubuntu-media/fix-races-for-access-to-destroyed-controls/+merge/238404
[12:04] <tvoss> Wellark, did you test it?
[12:04] <tvoss> Wellark, please give your vote
[12:04] <Wellark> tvoss: just code review
[12:04] <tvoss> Wellark, ta can be done later
[12:04] <tvoss> Wellark, ack
[12:07] <Wellark> tvoss: we will get the silo soon enough
[12:07] <Wellark> so if we don't see those unity8 crashes on boot then it's fixed :)
[12:09] <tvoss> Wellark, the silo is ready
[12:09] <tvoss> Wellark, silo 10
[12:09] <Wellark> Saviq: ok, tell me how it went :)
[12:10] <Wellark> tvoss: oh, it's not part of the unity8 silo?
[12:10] <Wellark> ok, I saw the crash happening a lot on rtm-proposed on krillin
[12:10] <Wellark> I can flash that and try out the silo
[12:10] <Wellark> tvoss: anything else to test?
[12:11] <Wellark> I saw you attached another bug to that MP as well
[12:11] <mterry> tedg, is greeter profile switching for rtm or ota?
[12:15] <Chipaca> seb128: could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/fix-notification-hub-blacklist-description/+merge/238417 when you get a chance? it's related to bug 1380662
[12:16] <seb128> Chipaca, hey, ok
[12:16] <Chipaca> seb128: thanks
[12:16] <seb128> yw!
[12:40] <Saviq> mterry, ota
[12:40] <mterry> Saviq, ok
[12:40] <mterry> mzanetti, are you busy today?  I'd appreciate a review of the dbus-race-fix branch today, because I'm off the next couple days and it'd be hard to fix it up in response
[12:42] <mzanetti> mterry: ok, will do that today
[12:53] <rpadovani> thanks oSoMoN, I totally agree with you, I'll fix them
[13:13] <seb128> Chipaca, that description seems still slightly wrong
[13:14] <seb128> Chipaca, the appid seems to be the basename and not the filename from the bug exampls
[13:14] <seb128> Chipaca, like it's "ciborium", not "ciborium.desktop"
[13:14] <Chipaca> seb128: yeah, i think i've had that conversation
[13:14] <dpm> Elleo, thanks a lot for the keyboard MP review!
[13:14] <Chipaca> basename isn't the word you're thinking about either
[13:14] <Chipaca> basename is without the path
[13:15] <Chipaca> maybe i should just say "without the .desktop extension"
[13:15] <Chipaca> ?
[13:15] <Chipaca> yeah, i'll do that
[13:15] <Chipaca> seb128: coming up
[13:16] <seb128> Chipaca, that works too, but you don't have the path in the key, so I think basename would work
[13:16] <seb128> Chipaca, thanks
[13:17] <Chipaca> seb128: done
[13:18] <seb128> Chipaca, approved
[13:18] <Chipaca> huzzah
[13:18] <seb128> Chipaca, does that need to land now you think, or fine to queue?
[13:18] <Chipaca> seb128: fine to queue
[13:18] <seb128> what I think as well
[13:19] <seb128> thanks
[13:19] <Chipaca> seb128: was planning on putting it into a silo together with the push branch next weekish
[13:19] <Elleo> dpm: no problem, thanks for working on another layout :)
[13:19] <seb128> Chipaca, k, feel free to do that
[13:22] <dpm> it turned out to be easier than I thought
[14:52] <jgdx> mterry, ping
[14:52] <mterry> jgdx, hello
[14:53] <jgdx> mterry, hey, I'm trying to reuse your HERE stuff from the wizard (System.hereEnabled)
[14:53] <jgdx> mterry, it seems that sometimes it's impossible to set System.hereEnabled to true. You know what happens?
[14:54] <mterry> jgdx, no I haven't happened to notice that
[14:54] <ralsina_> dpm: I am happy to answer any questions about how thee client side of push works, just email/ask here :-)
[14:55] <jgdx> mterry, just curious, why aren't you using the accountservice interface?
[14:57] <dpm> ralsina_, excellent, thanks! That was a really productive meeting, btw
[15:00] <mterry> jgdx, um I probably could have wrapped around it instead yes...  That interface is sync, while I try to do async where possible.  But that's not a huge deal
[15:02] <mterry> jgdx, but I'm surprised that setting doesn't work well -- in system.cpp, we simply proxy that to dbus
[15:02] <mterry> jgdx, setHereEnabled that is
[15:04] <jgdx> mterry, me too. It might be my usage, (though it's System.enableHere = false/true) but it could also be the binding?
[15:04] <mterry> jgdx, have you debugged what happens when it fails?  Is the dbus call made but fails?
[15:08] <jgdx> mterry, I have not.
[15:17] <jgdx> mterry, maybe you could take a look at it?
[15:17] <jgdx> mterry, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-allow-acceptance-of-here-terms-fixes-1375322/+merge/238419
[15:17] <mterry> jgdx, sure I can play with it and try to reproduce today
[15:18] <mterry> jgdx, I'm off tomorrow and Friday though so will have to brain dump any findings
[15:18] <jgdx> mterry, awesome. Thanks.
[15:20] <mterry> jgdx, I'll look after lunch
[15:21] <jgdx> seb128, could you take a look as well? https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/security-allow-acceptance-of-here-terms-fixes-1375322/+merge/238419
[15:22] <seb128> jgdx, k, adding to my list
[15:24] <jgdx> seb128, can you put that one and the flight mode bug in a silo?
[15:24] <seb128> jgdx, not sure what are the rules atm, they only want rtm blocker in this week
[15:24] <seb128> I don't even understand what bugs are on that list
[15:24] <seb128> but sure, I can put things in a silo
[15:24] <seb128> not sure we can land the silo though
[15:26] <jgdx> seb128, not sure, but both branches are trying to fix bug 1375322 and bug 1376957
[16:04] <seb128> tedg, is the silo 013 something you are looking at landing today? it contains u-s-s so it blocks other landing (if I don't override the conflict and decide to outdate yours, which I can do if you don't plane to get that moving/landed since we have important fixes queued)
[16:05] <seb128> jgdx, just as a fyi ^
[16:31] <Laney> Something borked with utopic-proposed? Stuck at google logo after flashing
[17:51] <jgdx> seb128, thansk
[17:52] <jgdx> mterry, got a look at it?
[17:53] <mterry> jgdx, about to start
[17:53] <jgdx> mterry, awesome. Thanks. I'll be biab
[18:17] <tedg> seb128, No, it doesn't have super critical bugs, so blocked :-(
[18:35] <gcollura> ogra_, ping
[18:35] <ogra_> hey
[18:36] <gcollura> ogra_, could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gcollura/phablet-tools/click-buddy/+merge/236950
[18:36] <gcollura> thanks :)
[18:36] <gcollura> (next time I'll rewrite click-buddy in python)
[18:36] <ogra_> heh
[18:37] <ogra_> gcollura, not today or tomorrow though ... we're all super busy getting an rtm milestone ready
[18:38] <gcollura> ogra_, don't worry :)
[19:02] <mterry> jgdx, I can't reproduce the problem
[19:02] <mterry> jgdx, how often does it not work for you?
[20:23] <nhaines> I was pleased to find that the Desktop-Next ISO ran on my laptop today.  So that's a change from the past few weeks.  :)  Wasn't terribly useful and Unity froze, but wasn't unpleasant.  I suspect with a touch screen it would have been bearable.
[20:23] <nhaines> But it's nice to see that it's working, because that gives a solid platform for desktop development.  :)
[20:24] <ogra_> oh, seeing you say that ....
[20:24] <ogra_> cyphermox, i had some issue on my laptop today with desktop-next installed ... urfkill was rather unhappy
[20:33] <dobey> nhaines: i suspect it'll need a lot more than just a touchscreen to make it usable
[20:34] <dobey> like actual windows :)
[20:38] <nhaines> dobey: considering almost no work has been done to make it usable, I think it's looking pretty good.  :)
[20:40] <cyphermox> ogra_: explain?
[20:40] <ogra_> cyphermox, urfkill gets installed on laptop/desktop alongside with ubuntu-desktop-next (touch)
[20:40] <cyphermox> yeah, but how do you mean unhappy?
[20:41] <cyphermox> did you file a bug?
[20:42] <ogra_> cyphermox, 100% CPU usage
[20:42] <ogra_> cyphermox, not yet ... the above reminded me of it :)
[21:34] <derelinguo> Hi, porting question. Is there a clean way to exclude modules that have duplicate definitions? Also do you keep the vendor one or the AOSP version?
[21:35] <taiebot> i keep getting my Sim locked i am on rtm/14.09 r.89 i do not really understand why  i manage to call one person but now it says it is blocked.
[21:36] <vitimiti> Hi
[21:42] <taiebot> there must be a bug there because after a reboot it s back to normal.
[21:53] <jgdx> mterry, that's great
[21:54] <jgdx> I haven't tried the newest debs.
[22:09] <mterry> jgdx, well sorta great  :)
[22:09] <mterry> jgdx, I always feel dread when I can't reproduce
[22:35] <cm-t> Hi, does this bug is already landing in rtm or will it be on the maybe tonight image ?  bug #1362008
[22:36] <cm-t> Damnit, I was making showcase for month saying only thing missing to be fully a smartphone is the support of mms, and then I learn it was woring, only my APN not well set.
[22:51]  * vitimiti Bye


[06:39] <nero_> hello, I recently installed cockpit on xubuntu & expected firewall editing by default. So I found out it requires firewalld to operate & installed firewalld. However the defaults for firewalld do not include cockpit on port 9090, so my connection via cockpit was quickly terminated & I needed to open the ports for cockpit & mdns 9090 & 5353 using firewall-cmd via ssh. At a guess I think this could be a problem with the package
[06:39] <nero_> cockpit-networkmanager ( so does the package maintainer need to be informed / a bug report filed, or is there an intended method of installation that I was not aware of? )
[17:38] <ujjwal> hey
[18:36] <pPaddy> Hi there
[18:42] <pPaddy> I wrote a tiling helper for XFCE (xpytile). Unfortunately I'm not an Xubuntu user, so I would like to ask if anyone could help me creating a PPA, so that this tiling helper could be easily installed.
[22:26] <oem> YO!! Is this IRC ?
[22:29] <Bashing-om> oem: 'Tis so :D