[05:59] <jbicha> when I try to dput to my PPA with sftp, it fails with "Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation"
[05:59] <jbicha> ftp upload still works but I prefer sftp since it works better for large uploads
[06:00] <wgrant> jbicha: There's a problem with the PPA SFTP server at the moment. either use FTP, or use SFTP to upload.ubuntu.com instead (it works for PPA uploads too)
[06:07] <jbicha> wgrant: thank you
[07:06] <lifeless> wgrant: there is? nothing in /topic .....
[07:09] <wgrant> lifeless: There's already two more important things there.
[09:04] <lifeless> wgrant: so what is wrong, do we know ?
[09:06] <audifahrer> hi
[11:44] <bogdan> hi. i'm trying to build a recipe for alsa-plugins but dailydeb fails when applying patches because it's not getting the tar.gz with the sources. how can i fix this?
[11:45] <jelmer> bogdan: is your package native?
[11:45] <bogdan> non-native
[11:45] <jelmer> if it isn't, have you tagged the upstream version?
[11:46] <bogdan> no, i couldn't find out how to do that
[11:47] <bogdan> i saw an answer on launchpad (from you) saying i could use --allow-fallback-to-native and i'm using that
[11:49] <bogdan> this is the recipe: https://code.launchpad.net/~bogdan-cimpoesu/+recipe/alsa-plugins-daily
[11:53] <jelmer> bogdan: you can set the tag with "bzr tag"
[11:54] <jelmer> bogdan: launchpad will build with --allow-fallback-to-native, but it seems you probably actually want a non-native package
[11:55] <bogdan> jelmer, i know about the bzr tag, but i don't control the "base" branch
[11:56] <jelmer> bogdan: in that case, it seems like you want a native package
[11:56] <bogdan> hmm, now i'm confused
[11:56] <jelmer> bogdan: there is no way for bzr-builder to create a .orig.tar.gz package
[11:57] <bogdan> if it's a native package will launchpad still be able to build my recipe when the alsa-plugins package is updated in ubuntu?
[11:57] <jelmer> bogdan: sure
[11:58] <bogdan> jelmer, i used "run uscan --force-download" to get the tar.gz but even then it can't apply the quilt patches
[11:59] <Ampelbein> Hi! Why does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krb5/1.10+dfsg~alpha1-6/+build/3019391 not show any buildlogs, same with the other builds from the same source package?
[12:00] <jelmer> bogdan: bzr-builder only looks at the upstream- tag in the base branch
[12:00] <jelmer> bogdan: it doesn't look at existing .orig.tar.gz files
[12:00] <jelmer> bogdan: likewise, you can't provide your own .tar.gz files for recipes on launchpad
[12:03] <jelmer> bogdan: since lp:~bogdan-cimpoesu/+junk/a52 is derived from the base branch, have you considered applying the patches to the tree directly and just committing that?
[12:04] <bogdan> no, since i want launchpad to build the daily package "correctly" even if more patches are applied to alsa-plugins in the oneiric bzr branch
[12:10] <jelmer> bogdan: with --allow-fallback-to-native it will also appear like the patches were never there
[12:11] <jelmer> (they're applied when the source package is built)
[12:11] <bogdan> jelmer, i've changed the format to native and will see what that does :)
[12:12] <bogdan> jelmer, ok, back to the no such tag error :(
[12:13] <jelmer> bogdan: that shouldn't happen if the package is native
[12:15] <bogdan> jelmer, do i need to manually get the tar.gz and unpack the sources?
[12:16] <bogdan> jelmer, i thought the point ofusing a recipe is to avoid this and have the system fetch the latest sources
[12:21] <jelmer> bogdan: if the package is native, then the .tar.gz shouldn't matter
[12:22] <jelmer> bogdan: the recipe on launchpad appears to've disappeared :(
[12:22] <bogdan> jelmer, hmm, lemme check. i removed the a52 branch and recreated it
[12:25] <bogdan> jelmer, should be back now
[12:26] <jelmer> bogdan: have you tried building it?
[12:27] <bogdan> jelmer, yes, it failed
[12:27] <bogdan> jelmer, been working on it since yesterday
[12:27] <jelmer> bogdan: I don't see the failure on lp?
[12:27] <bogdan> jelmer, failes on my computer and launchpad
[12:28] <jelmer> bogdan: the only failure I saw on launchpad earlier was from a couple of hours ago, from before you changed the package to native
[12:29] <bogdan> jelmer, no, i haven't tried to build it on launchpad (just on my computer) after changing to native
[12:30] <bogdan> jelmer, would it build successfully on launchpad if it fails on my computer?
[12:30] <jelmer> bogdan: can you try doing that ? I'm just interested to see the error message
[12:30] <jelmer> bogdan: actually, it seems your package version is still that for a non-native package (not sure if that's relevant)
[12:31] <bogdan> jelmer, to recap: what i'm trying to do is to have alsa-plugins automatically built with a52 support (build depend on libavformat-dev)
[12:31] <bogdan> jelmer, maybe i'm not using the proper procedure for the job
[12:31] <jelmer> bogdan: a daily build seems appropriate for that
[12:32] <bogdan> jelmer, then i'm stumped :(
[12:32] <jelmer> bogdan: let met try to build your recipe here
[12:32] <bogdan> jelmer, thanks for the help, btw
[12:33] <jelmer> bogdan: ah, got it
[12:33] <jelmer> bogdan: {debversion} requires recipe format 0.4
[12:33] <jelmer> you're using 0.3 - and 0.3 is the latest that's supported on lp
[12:34] <bogdan> jelmer, i was using 0.4 on my computer but had to change it to 0.3 when i pasted on launchpad
[12:34] <jelmer> bogdan: that's definitely going to fail on launchpad
[12:35] <jelmer> bogdan: try using this as the first line:
[12:35] <jelmer> bogdan: # bzr-builder format 0.3 deb-version {debupstream}~bzr{revno}
[12:37] <bogdan> jelmer, trying now
[13:33] <bogdan> jelmer, seems to be working but dpkg-buildpackage fails because debian/rules is in a52-{debupstream}~bzr{revno} and the tar.gz is in working dir
[13:33] <bogdan> jelmer, i'm guessing this is normal and it will build on launchpad even if it doesn't build on my computer, right?
[13:34] <jelmer> bogdan: how is it failing?
[13:35] <bogdan> jelmer, it doesn't find ./configure
[13:35] <jelmer> bogdan: you probably have to set up debian/rules to generate it somehow
[13:35] <jelmer> bogdan: that'll fail on launchpad too
[13:35] <jelmer> bogdan: the .tar.gz shouldn't be relevant
[13:37] <bogdan> jelmer, building from a recipe, really, should be simpler than this :)
[13:37] <jelmer> bogdan: I don't think this has much to do with recipes, it's specific to your package
[13:38] <jelmer> or rather, with the complexities of building Debian packages in general
[13:38] <erasmusjam> hi, i'm domenico from italy. I have some problems with my recipe, that did work in july but now fails in upload stage
[13:38] <erasmusjam> https://code.launchpad.net/~domurb/+recipe/proxindicator-daily
[13:39] <bogdan> jelmer, I haven't done anything much besides adding a new build-depends to a standard ubuntu package :)
[13:39] <jelmer> hi erasmusjam
[13:39] <erasmusjam> ;)
[13:39] <jelmer> erasmusjam: did you look at the upload log?
[13:40] <erasmusjam> yep, it says: "File proxindicator_0.3.orig.tar.gz already exists in My Projects, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors."
[13:41] <jelmer> erasmusjam: it seems the contents of your upstream version changed between uploads.
[13:43] <erasmusjam> i've just committed a new changelog with a new upstream version number
[13:43] <erasmusjam> let's see if it works
[13:43] <erasmusjam> thank you i'll let you know
[13:53] <erasmusjam> jelmer: only the first build succeded to upload. I'm getting the same error : "Could not be uploaded correctly" for the other distribution series.
[13:55] <jelmer> erasmusjam: does your branch have pristine tar data, or do you set the upstream tag manually?
[13:56] <erasmusjam> i develop this program directly on launchpad bazaar repo, so i'm setting the tag manually
[13:57] <erasmusjam> i think the problem comes out when i build packages for more than one distribution series
[13:58] <jelmer> erasmusjam: the issue is that for some reason exporting the upstream tarball results in a slightly different file each time
[13:59] <erasmusjam> from https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors:
[13:59] <erasmusjam> Gzip header includes a timestamp, resulting in files with different checksums for each individual compression step.
[13:59] <erasmusjam> so i'm not able to release my software for more than one ubuntu version?
[14:00] <jelmer> erasmusjam: hmm, actually, you seem to be hitting this bug
[14:00] <jelmer> erasmusjam: bug 891892
[14:01] <erasmusjam> is there something i can do? Some users only rely on my ppa
[14:02] <jelmer> erasmusjam: you can work around it by switching the recipe build to a native package
[14:02] <erasmusjam> the recipe hadn't such problems in july
[14:02] <jelmer> erasmusjam: we didn't support non-native packages in july
[14:03] <erasmusjam> ok thank you. But is it going to be fixed?
[14:04] <jelmer> erasmusjam: yes, the code fix has been made, it just needs to be deployed.
[14:04] <erasmusjam> ok i will wait. I don't like workarounds ;)
[14:05] <erasmusjam> bye bye and thank you again
[14:06] <erasmusjam> sorry, anyway how can i convert the recipe to native? Is there any documentation i can read in the meantime?
[14:07] <jelmer> erasmusjam: set "3.0 (native)" in debian/source/format
[14:08] <erasmusjam> ok it seems easy. I'll give it a try.
[14:18] <bogdan> jelmer, thanks for your help
[14:21] <jelmer> bogdan: np - does it work?
[14:21] <bogdan> jelmer, nope, i gave up fornow
[15:59] <CasW> Hey guys, I'm having some trouble with launchpadlib, credentials always fail
[16:00] <CasW> Last error message I see is: "Gkr-Message: secret service operation failed: Method "CreateCollection" with signature "a[sv]s" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Service" doesn't exist"
[16:01] <CasW> I try to use Launchpadlib in python, by the way, and it has worked before...
[16:01] <CasW> Also, it doesn't seem to "remember" it was already authenticated, every time I try again, I first have to authenticate the program, give it access to LP
[17:46] <Laney> what is going on here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-wai-extra/0.4.3-1/+build/3017583 ?
[17:54] <jelmer> Laney: we seem to have had a few like that this weekend
[17:54] <jelmer> Laney: I'm not sure what the background is
[17:57] <Laney> hmm
[17:57] <Laney> yeah, I do see a few on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[17:57] <Laney> search for 'href=""' in the source
[18:06] <Laney> retried haskell-wai-extra
[20:43] <audifahrer> I build a source package and try to upload it to my PPA. But it fails: http://codepad.org/kc8H8sG5
[20:43] <audifahrer> could anyone help me?
[20:43] <Resistance> lemme take a look
[20:43] <Resistance> audifahrer:  did you use a PGP key that's registered on launchpad?
[20:43] <audifahrer> ~/.dput.cf: http://codepad.org/YzybYVqH
[20:43] <Resistance> with your account
[20:44] <Resistance> oh
[20:44] <Resistance> change "anonymous" to your launchpad username
[20:44] <audifahrer> Resistance: hm, I uploaded my public ssh key. Is that wrong?
[20:44] <Resistance> SSH != PGP
[20:44] <Resistance> audifahrer:  take a look at my launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw
[20:44] <Resistance> if it spublic check the "PGP Keys" section
[20:44] <Resistance> i've gtot 3
[20:44] <Resistance> got*
[20:45] <Resistance> a PGP key is what you use to sign the package
[20:45] <audifahrer> I didn't use PGP so ofter until now. sorry. have to read docu
[20:45] <Resistance> if you dont have a PGP key you cant sign the pgp key
[20:45] <Resistance> er
[20:45] <Resistance> package*
[20:45] <Resistance> and therefore it cant be uploaded
[20:45] <audifahrer> I created one on my local system. Hm, should be located in my home dir, not?
[20:46] <Resistance> you need to upload it to the ubuntu keyservers
[20:46] <Resistance> and then about 5 minutes later add it into your Launchpad account
[20:46] <Resistance> then you can use it
[20:51] <audifahrer> Resistance: I found some help on launchpad how to sync it. But as I've no gnome running I don't have the menus. Could you say me the name of this app?
[20:52] <Resistance> audifahrer:  UNITY?
[20:52] <Resistance> Unity* ?
[20:52] <Resistance> or KDE?
[20:52] <Resistance> or XFCE?
[20:52] <audifahrer> Resistance: E17
[20:52] <audifahrer> ah, now I found it
[20:52] <Resistance> ah
[20:53] <Resistance> well in GNOME, its seahorse
[20:53] <Resistance> but if you really want you can CLI create the keys
[20:53] <Resistance> it just takes FAR longer
[20:56] <audifahrer> the sync was working without failure. Now I'll wait ten minutes and then try to register in launchpad
[20:56] <audifahrer> was easier as I tought :-)
[21:01] <Resistance> :P
[21:01] <Resistance> yeah its a pretty simple situation
[21:01] <Resistance> s/situation/process/
[21:29] <audifahrer> Resistance: ok, seems to work. I even got the email from launchpad. But my email client isn't able to decode it :-(
[21:30] <audifahrer> EvilResistance: you changed name :-)
[21:30] <EvilResistance> aye i did but Resistance still pings me
[21:30] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  use the gpg functions to do it
[21:31] <EvilResistance> read the instructions for decrypting
[21:31] <EvilResistance> dump the content into a file
[21:31] <EvilResistance> and then use gpg --decrypt /path/to/file to decrypt
[21:31] <EvilResistance> actually
[21:31] <EvilResistance> gpg --decrypt /path/to/file > /path/to/file.decrypted
[21:33] <audifahrer> EvilResistance: working :-)
[21:33] <EvilResistance> and then open up the decrypted version
[21:34] <EvilResistance> and you'll have the content decrypted :P
[21:34] <EvilResistance> now also
[21:34] <EvilResistance> you should always have your DEBFULLNAME and your DEBEMAIL env vars set to the exact ones used on your pgp key
[21:35] <EvilResistance> (for example, mine are set DEBFULLNAME="Thomas Ward" and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>respectively, since i'm an Ubuntu Member and use that name/email for my PGP key)
[21:36] <EvilResistance> you can set that in your .bashrc or wherever
[21:36] <EvilResistance> but that way the system knows to use that full name and email in packaging (but ideally use what you put in the debian/changelog file)
[21:38] <audifahrer> ok, thanks for that hint
[21:39] <audifahrer> now dput was successful. But whats next step? How do I start building? I yet used launchpad to build from SVN and GIT. But how to build from PPA and uploaded source?
[21:39] <EvilResistance> you just wait
[21:40] <EvilResistance> if the PPA upload was accepted it'll send you an email saying ACCEPTED among other things
[21:40] <EvilResistance> and then you just wait for the builders to get to it
[21:40] <EvilResistance> you can check the status via your PPA
[21:40] <EvilResistance> but fwiw the amd64 queue has 7h30m estimated time on it
[21:41] <EvilResistance> and the i386 builder has a 4h20m estimated wait time
[21:41] <EvilResistance> *looks at the PPA builders)
[21:41] <EvilResistance> you can see the estimated build times also form your PPA
[21:41] <EvilResistance> s/form/from/
[21:42] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  can i /query you?
[21:42] <audifahrer> EvilResistance: where could I check status? https://launchpad.net/~tux-style/+archive/efl ?
[21:43] <EvilResistance> ah i was just waiting for the link ;P
[21:43] <audifahrer> I don't see any status about my uploaded package here
[21:43] <EvilResistance> well you need to wait
[21:43] <EvilResistance> it takes about 5 - 8 minutes for the system to scan for new uploads
[21:43] <audifahrer> ah, ok :-)
[21:43] <EvilResistance> once your upload is fully accepted
[21:43] <EvilResistance> it'll show up the package name on that page
[21:43] <EvilResistance> then in this page https://launchpad.net/~tux-style/+archive/efl/+packages
[21:43] <EvilResistance> you can see individual package details
[21:44] <EvilResistance> including which builds are pending/done
[21:44] <EvilResistance> (i.e. i386 vs. amd64)
[21:44] <audifahrer> I'm not in hurry. Just like to know it's working and I have tomorrow a result if it's ok or not :-)
[21:44] <EvilResistance> you should have a result within 12ish hours, i'd think
[21:44] <EvilResistance> i usually dont have to wait more than 8
[21:44] <audifahrer> what is /query?
[21:45] <EvilResistance> the equivalent of a privmsg here
[21:45] <EvilResistance> i say /query, but its analogous to /msg, /pm, etc.
[21:45] <EvilResistance> but i dont need to now
[21:45] <EvilResistance> since you gave the link to the PPA (Which I was going to ask for ;P)
[21:45] <audifahrer> you helped me much - thanks!
[21:45] <EvilResistance> oh btw
[21:46] <EvilResistance> you *might* want to sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[21:46] <EvilResistance> you can now that you have a PGP key :p
[21:46] <audifahrer> ah, ok. I'll do
[21:46] <EvilResistance> its not required, but i'd recommend it ;P
[21:46] <audifahrer> launchpad is really cool! I like it. No other distibution I know had something similar.
[21:47] <audifahrer> I would love it to be much faster at building :-)
[21:47] <EvilResistance> i agree with you
[21:47] <audifahrer> but I think it's a matter of server power and so money, not?
[21:47] <EvilResistance> its more a matter of how many people are trying to build PPA packages
[21:47] <EvilResistance> take a look at https://launchpad.net/builders
[21:47] <EvilResistance> that's a list of the build servers
[21:48] <EvilResistance> you're looking for the ones that have images that dont look like venn diagrams next to them
[21:48] <EvilResistance> those servers are the PPA builders
[21:48] <EvilResistance> unless i'm mistaken
[21:48] <EvilResistance> and since there's actually queues :P
[21:49] <EvilResistance> i'd check your email address
[21:49] <EvilResistance> see if there's anything from the system about your upload
[21:49] <EvilResistance> it should have been detected by now
[21:49] <EvilResistance> unless the builders/ppa-uploads/launchpadlibrarian stuff exploded again
[21:49] <audifahrer> I signed the code
[21:50] <EvilResistance> ah cool
[21:50] <audifahrer> Rejected:
[21:50] <audifahrer> Unable to find distroseries: stable
[21:50] <audifahrer> Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error.
[21:50] <audifahrer> :-(
[21:50] <EvilResistance> ah yeah
[21:51] <EvilResistance> go to your changelog
[21:51] <EvilResistance> change it to...
[21:51] <EvilResistance> um...
[21:51] <EvilResistance> hm
[21:51] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  question for you
[21:51] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  what version of ubuntu do you want this to work for?
[21:51] <audifahrer> it was a so called "stable" release :-)
[21:51] <EvilResistance> lucid?  maverick?  natty?
[21:51] <EvilResistance> oneiric?
[21:51] <audifahrer> ah, does this describe the ubuntu version or my package stability?
[21:52] <micahg> audifahrer: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading#Using_packages_from_other_distributions
[21:52] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  the ubuntu version
[21:52] <EvilResistance> read what micahg said
[21:52] <audifahrer> oneiric at least
[21:52] <EvilResistance> ("stable" denotes Debian 6 in the Debian world)
[21:52] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  replace "stable" with oneiric then
[21:52] <EvilResistance> note that unless the package is named differently for each distro it will only build for that one version of ubuntu
[21:54] <audifahrer> oh god. this is so complicated. Maybe I should create a receipe and build from SVN tag revsion for release :-)
[21:55] <EvilResistance> audifahrer:  where'd the code come from
[21:55] <EvilResistance> if i might ask
[21:56] <audifahrer> http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/trunk/ ...
[21:56] <audifahrer> I like to package version 1.1.0
[21:56] <EvilResistance> did i mention i hate SVN >.>
[21:57] <audifahrer> after latest trouble I hat to build a git repo on launchpad I hate git :-)
[21:57] <EvilResistance> you odnt make a git repo on launchpad
[21:57] <EvilResistance> you make a bzr repo ;P
[21:57] <EvilResistance> and packaging isnt for the faint of heart ;P
[21:57] <audifahrer> import
[21:57] <EvilResistance> it can get HORRIBLY complex
[21:57] <EvilResistance> :P
[21:58] <EvilResistance> isnt that right micahg
[21:58] <EvilResistance> :Pp
[21:58] <EvilResistance> :P *
[21:58] <EvilResistance> (sometimes it can get  horribly complex)
[21:58] <audifahrer> yes, if the maintainer has multible libs with multible configure and folders in one git repo :-(
[21:58] <audifahrer> HORROR
[21:58] <audifahrer> do you think it's critical if vim hightlight oneiric in changelog red :-P
[21:59] <dobey> what version of ubuntu are you on?
[21:59] <EvilResistance> ^
[21:59] <audifahrer> 10.04
[21:59] <EvilResistance> that's lucid
[21:59] <dobey> that's old.
[21:59] <EvilResistance> dobey:  its not EOL'd
[21:59] <audifahrer> it's LTS !
[21:59] <EvilResistance> dobey:  if it were EOL"d you could call it old :P
[21:59] <EvilResistance> LTS is just stable :P
[21:59] <dobey> it's still old
[22:00] <audifahrer> :-P
[22:00] <audifahrer> hwo ever...
[22:00] <audifahrer> do I've to change -ppax version number if I upload with new oneiric changelog?
[22:01] <EvilResistance> i would, probly increment the x number by 1
[22:01] <dobey> i usually use ~seriesN (~lucid1 ~oneiric1 etc) instead of ~ppa1
[22:02] <EvilResistance> i use both because i backport and fork thinkgs
[22:02] <EvilResistance> things*
[22:02] <audifahrer> good idea
[22:02] <EvilResistance> case in point, my backports staging repo  https://launchpad.net/~trekcaptainusa-tw/+archive/backports
[22:03] <EvilResistance> i actually adapted the version naming from what backportpackage does
[22:03] <EvilResistance> but unless the PPA is for a specific project, its usually me forking or modifying or backporting, so i use ~seriesN~ppaX
[22:03] <EvilResistance> where N is a number and X is another number
[22:04] <dobey> you can if you want, but ~ppaX is basically pointless at that point
[22:04] <EvilResistance> dobey:  yeah, i only use ~ppaX because half the time ~seriesN is already defined or something
[22:04] <EvilResistance> *shrugs*
[22:05] <EvilResistance> dobey:  the ~ppaX is only to make a note its in a PPA and not in a release ;P
[22:05]  * EvilResistance has weird naming conventions, but it works)
[22:05] <dobey> i don't like needless repetitiveness :)
[22:05] <dobey> cf. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuone/+archive/nightlies/
[22:06] <audifahrer> ok, now I'll go offline and wait until tomorrow if it's working. Many thanks for your help!!
[22:06] <EvilResistance> dobey:  i've actually got 3 PPAs with backports in them so... :P
[22:06] <audifahrer> see you
[22:06] <EvilResistance> some of them overlap, and i'm the only one with the ~ppa part
[22:06] <EvilResistance> so i know they're mine ;P)
[22:06] <EvilResistance> in any case, to each their own naming convention style
[22:08] <EvilResistance> oh, but for project ppas i dont use the ~ppa1 stuff
[22:08] <EvilResistance> only for my own personal PPAs
[22:48] <wgrant> Laney: That's bug #905854
[22:48] <wgrant> Er
[22:48] <wgrant> bug #905853
[22:51] <Laney> aha
[23:43] <mwhudson> heh
[23:44] <mwhudson> using the search box on launchpad to find anything to do with notifications is a bit difficult


[00:17] <RAOF> hicham: Yup.
[00:17] <hicham> RAOF: what is is it ?
[00:18] <hicham> RAOF: indicator-network if for conmann
[00:18] <hicham> *is
[00:18] <RAOF> I think we patch the nm-applet source to add an indicator.
[00:18] <hicham> oh
[00:18] <hicham> thanks
[00:28] <hicham> what about programs that use the notification area ?
[00:28] <hicham> they need to be patched as well ?
[00:32] <RAOF> There is a notification area in Unity, but it's protected by a whitelist.  Wine is on that whitelist, as I think is skype.
[00:32] <RAOF> Others get to use indicators instead :)
[00:32] <hicham> how bad
[00:33] <RAOF> I presume it'd be relatively easy to remove the whitelist; then you'd have a notification area and indicator area.
[00:34] <RAOF> Which wouldn't interact very well, which is why the notification area is restricted to a whitelist :)
[06:32] <DBO> RAOF, NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOoooooooooooooooooOOOOOOooooooooooooooo
[06:33] <RAOF> DBO: We got *one* set of bugs, at least!
[06:34] <DBO> RAOF, I was thinking about it
[06:34] <DBO> and the only one that doesn't make sense is the dri2 freeze
[06:34] <DBO> thats on the same display as the grabs
[06:34] <DBO> it doesn't make sense for that to be an XGrabServer issue then
[06:34] <DBO> I have asked Chris to see if it still happens for him with vsync disabled
[06:35] <RAOF> I expect it won't.
[06:35] <DBO> right
[06:36] <DBO> so now we get to figure out why the hell vsync fails so hard sometimes
[06:36] <RAOF> I'm parsing his kernel logs to check that the kernel hasn't simply missed the vblank event.
[06:37] <RAOF> 250MiB of kernel log is *fun* to wade through!
[06:42] <RAOF> Wow.  We really waited the *hell* out of from 3788 - we waited for it no fewer than 7 times!
[06:42] <RAOF> s/from/frame/
[07:15] <RAOF> DBO: Suspicions!
[07:15] <DBO> they abound
[07:16] <RAOF> It looks like drm_queue_vblank_event might be broken if you call it at a particularly inopportune time.
[07:17] <DBO> is that our fault?
[07:17] <RAOF> No.
[07:17] <RAOF> Looks like it may be a kernel problem.
[07:19] <RAOF> Oh, maybe not :/
[07:20] <RAOF> Well, suspicions remain, but it's not what I thought.
[07:55] <didrocks> good morning
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[09:01] <hicham> didrocks : morning
[09:02] <hicham> didrocks: session, datetime, and sound indicators run ok here
[09:02] <didrocks> hey hicham
[09:02] <didrocks> nice :)
[11:43] <om26er> kamstrup, ping!
[11:44] <om26er> kamstrup, seems like bug 764352 reporter is telling the truth, so does the issue go into unity-places or is it a unity one?
[11:46] <kamstrup> om26er: I have a hunch as to why that could happen - i'll add a unity-place-files task for it. Thank's for the heads up
[11:47] <om26er> yw
[13:43] <om26er_> didrocks, Hi! any words on bug 754327 ?
[13:44] <didrocks> om26er_: not a priority anyway, wishlist for O I would say
[13:44] <om26er_> ok
[13:57] <davidcalle> Hi all. njpatel or didrocks, is there any way to kill a lens service? It keeps respawning.
[14:01] <davidcalle> Nervermind, I did it.
[14:04] <didrocks> davidcalle: you can probably chmod it temporarly
[14:04] <davidcalle> didrocks, I just commented out the exec line in the .service.
[14:04] <didrocks> works too :)
[15:37] <jcastro> kenvandine:  njpatel: so did we ever find the problem in the python lens race login mystery?
[15:38] <kenvandine> jcastro, not sure, but the AU lens is working for me now
[15:41] <davidcalle> jcastro, kenvandine, for me, it's when I add the AU lens that all others fail to load at times.
[15:42] <kenvandine> davidcalle, that sounds scary
[15:42] <kenvandine> davidcalle, but i can kind of confirm that
[15:43] <kenvandine> last week, the books lens wouldn't work either, at the same time the AU lens didn't
[15:43] <kenvandine> the gwibber lens kept working though, which makes it more confusing
[15:45] <jcastro> kenvandine: right, so depending on my luck either one, both, or none of them would work
[15:46] <didrocks> om26er: there is is no opened bug on the first icon being displayed as if we were in a keynav state, isn't it?
[15:47] <davidcalle> kenvandine, it seems to be related to loading things via web APIs. That would explain why the gwibber lens keeps working.
[15:49] <om26er> didrocks, hm I dont think so
[15:49] <om26er> on the other note unity just crashed on clicking empty trash :p
[15:51] <didrocks> om26er: on trunk?
[15:52] <om26er> official versions didrocks
[15:52] <didrocks> om26er: ok, I changed that part of code since Friday, should be safer now :)
[15:55] <marcobiscaro2112> om26er: this is bug #761643
[15:55] <om26er> marcobiscaro2112, thx :)
[15:56] <didrocks> hey marcobiscaro2112 :)
[15:56] <marcobiscaro2112> hi didrocks !
[15:57]  * davidcalle is happy, has found a way to deal with slow API in lenses.
[15:59] <didrocks> om26er: I've just reproduce bug #763791 once, couldn't at all then, do you have any clue?
[16:00] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok so as you login from now on can you keep an eye on the AU lens?
[16:00] <om26er> didrocks, its duplicate
[16:01] <didrocks> om26er: oh really? didn't notice
[16:01] <om26er> didrocks, assigned to sam ;)
[16:01] <kenvandine> jcastro, will do
[16:01]  * om26er finds the duplicate
[16:02] <om26er> didrocks, bug 760436
[16:04] <didrocks> om26er: no, it's no a duplicate
[16:04] <didrocks> om26er: here, the mouse/keyboard input are correct
[16:04] <didrocks> bug #760436 is an old bug I could reproduce at will with chromium some time ago
[16:05] <om26er> both aren't the same
[16:05] <om26er> the screenshot seems same
[16:05] <didrocks> yeah, but to have experienced it once, I'm sure the input window was matching what we see
[16:05] <didrocks> (I see it's a race in our undecorate function)
[16:06] <om26er> didrocks, bug 727060 was also the old bug you reported
[16:06] <om26er> wasn't that also related?
[16:06] <didrocks> om26er: so, this one is indeed related to bug 760436
[16:06] <didrocks> where the input is shifter
[16:06] <didrocks> shifted*
[16:07] <didrocks> on the other bug (I unduped it), the focus/input is fine
[16:07] <didrocks> it's just that we undecorated on maximize after compiz set the size of the window
[16:07] <didrocks> (but the input corresponds to what is drawn)
[16:08] <om26er> hmm hmm
[16:10] <om26er> comment#9 in bug 760436 sounds similar to bug 763791 description
[16:11] <om26er> I guess once one of them is fixed we'll know if the other is the same or not ;)
[16:20] <jcastro> DBO: I don't know how to quite reproduce this
[16:21] <jcastro> but every once in a while a launcher tooltip will just hang around
[16:21] <DBO> yeah I have heard about this
[16:25] <didrocks> jcastro: do you wrong keynav color appearing as well? (or sometimes, quicklist appearing)
[16:26] <jcastro> sometimes I get a white glow on my top icon for seemingly no reason
[16:26] <jcastro> haven't seen a quicklist yet though
[16:27] <didrocks> jcastro: I got the white glow (and quicklist sometimes) just down, but the tooltip (I saw that too), doesn't seem to be related :/
[16:27] <jcastro> right, they don't seem to be
[16:27] <jcastro> I've been getting the tooltip off and on for a long time
[16:27] <jcastro> the glow thing is only recently
[16:27] <didrocks> right
[16:28] <didrocks> it's due to a compiz change
[16:28] <didrocks> the tooltip, let me have a look if I can see anything obvious in the code…
[16:39] <davidcalle> kenvandine, I got some news on the lenses. When a 1 or 2 sec delay is introduced before the daemon loop (to preload some stuff), it fails to register at unity startup. That's what Stefano is doing and if I try the same thing, my lens fails at statup too. That's quite logical, but here is a confirmation.
[16:43] <kenvandine> davidcalle, ah... interesting
[16:58] <jcastro> didrocks: from the apps lens, try to drag an application to the desktop, do you get some dumb error dialog?
[16:59] <didrocks> jcastro: there was a crash which has been fixed, by not dumb error dialog though
[16:59] <didrocks> jcastro: is it displayed by nautilus?
[16:59] <didrocks> like, you can click through the launcher and so the dnd happened in nautilus?
[17:01] <jcastro> There was an error getting information about "/".
[17:01] <jcastro> The specified location is not supported
[17:01] <jcastro> looks like a nautilus window
[17:03] <didrocks> jcastro: yeah, so it seems that you can click through the launcher
[17:03] <didrocks> DBO: in case you didn't notice, we still have some cases of that issue ^^
[17:03] <didrocks> (particularly on edge reveal)
[17:03] <DBO> yeah I saw that
[17:03] <DBO> its annoying me deeply
[17:03] <didrocks> so, the reveal happens, you put the mouse over the launcher and nothing happens, so it hides again
[17:03] <DBO> its not click through actually
[17:04] <didrocks> I thought we killed it by not spamming too much X…
[17:04] <DBO> you *can* click on something if you click before it hides
[17:04] <DBO> its actually a hide state issue
[17:04] <didrocks> DBO: hum really? I have no mouse over tooltip appeareance for instance
[17:04] <DBO> yep
[17:04] <didrocks> DBO: I tried to keep super pressed, hovering with the mouse
[17:04] <DBO> thats part of the weirdness
[17:05] <DBO> i am not sure what causes it yet
[17:05] <didrocks> no tooltip, nothing… click was ending up in nautilus
[17:05] <DBO> had looked at it a bit this weekend...
[17:05] <didrocks> no reproducible test case though :/
[17:06] <DBO> yeah I get it sometimes
[17:06] <DBO> and then debugging is like impossible
[17:06] <didrocks> DBO: right. Hum, I'm in a weird state again, the leave event isn't received in the Launcher
[17:06] <DBO> i hate that
[17:07] <didrocks> the weird thing is that the LauncherIcon received it
[17:07] <didrocks> (no more tooltip)
[17:07] <DBO> I am afraid to fix that in nux for fear of triggering other bugs
[17:07] <didrocks> DBO: agreed
[17:07] <didrocks> DBO: anyway, the day we can fix this leave event stuff, we will remove a lot of hidemachine workaround
[17:08] <DBO> yeah
[18:11] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, are you around?
[18:13] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, hey
[18:13] <stefano-palazzo> hi :)
[18:13] <stefano-palazzo> maybe you can help me, I'm pretty flummoxed
[18:13] <stefano-palazzo> My lens is still not working on login, so, I replaced every print statement with a logging function,
[18:14] <stefano-palazzo> after logging in, it wrote 400 megabytes of logs
[18:14] <stefano-palazzo> what in the name of all that's holy could cause that do you know?
[18:14] <kenvandine> ugh!
[18:14] <kenvandine> what the hell!
[18:14] <kenvandine> what kind of stuff?
[18:14] <kenvandine> it is working at login for me
[18:15] <stefano-palazzo> it looks like the first few hundred megabytes (yeah..) are just telling me the program has been started, and that the imports have finished
[18:15] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, like is it looping and printing the same thing?
[18:16] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, towards the end, it looks like it's starting properly, but by that time my computer is completely overloaded anyway
[18:16] <stefano-palazzo> it does work for you? maybe I should just dist-upgrade, maybe it wasn't my fault at all? David said something about a long startup time before the gobject main loop
[18:16] <kenvandine> davidcalle noted this morning that if he adds a 1 or 2s delay before the daemon class it fails to load
[18:17] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, well it worked for me on this login :)
[18:17] <stefano-palazzo> right, that's what I was trying to tackle, I have this sort of delay just because I'm downloading stuff
[18:17] <kenvandine> but unity should be able to handle that
[18:17] <kenvandine> so if that is the case, it is a bug
[18:18] <kenvandine> however you should make sure you have the latest unity
[18:18] <stefano-palazzo> oh good,
[18:18] <kenvandine> i think there was some lazy loading stuff
[18:18] <stefano-palazzo> I'll take a break (trying to fix it with unity crashing left and right wasn't much fun), create a completely fresh usb disk and check again
[18:19] <kenvandine> ok
[18:19] <stefano-palazzo> I might bug you later (:
[18:19] <stefano-palazzo> thanks for your help
[18:19] <kenvandine> i had assumed the lazy loading in unity fixed it, which i just updated to this morning
[18:19] <kenvandine> anytime!
[18:19] <stefano-palazzo> oh yes that sounds very encouraging
[20:01] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, I've gotten rid of the startup-delay, but the problem is still there
[20:05] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, bummer
[20:05] <kenvandine> it is still working here
[20:05] <kenvandine> rebooted
[20:05] <stefano-palazzo> that is strange
[20:06] <stefano-palazzo> I've just been logging out, I'm going to reboot for good measure
[20:07] <nhaines> Are we getting another Unity release today?
[20:10] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, nope, still nothing. Do you have any idea how I might investigate this?
[20:10] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, dunno... i think we need kamstrup to help debug
[20:11] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, try this, start the daemon in a terminal
[20:11] <kenvandine> then "setsid unity"
[20:11] <kenvandine> and look at the console output
[20:11] <kenvandine> see if you see assertions, like DEE_IS_MODEL
[20:11] <kenvandine> on the sections model
[20:12] <kenvandine> stefano-palazzo, when i was debugging this the other day, i was consistently getting those assertions that the sections model wasn't actually a dee model
[20:12] <kenvandine> which made me suspect an offset problem
[20:12] <kenvandine> but i couldn't see where
[20:13] <stefano-palazzo> kenvandine, mh. I don't get any of those - but neither do I get any search results
[20:13] <stefano-palazzo> it was working a minute ago
[20:14] <kenvandine> i was getting that when it wouldn't work at all
[20:14] <stefano-palazzo> then, when I try to ^C it, it takes five interrupts to quit -
[20:14] <stefano-palazzo> (which sometimes happens with threaded code, in my experience)
[20:16] <stefano-palazzo> mh, the traceback is all socket stuff, it's probably the only the server not responding
[20:36] <ronoc> kenvandine, I think you can go ahead and patch that
[20:36] <kenvandine> ok
[20:36]  * kenvandine will do
[21:31] <Omega> Compiz is using 1.8 gigs of RAM.


[00:21] <biobunsai> has everyone installed 12.04?
[00:21] <biobunsai> is there any issues with it?
[00:32] <rmg51>  I have beta2 on one laptop
[00:32] <rmg51> I didn't get around to doing any upgrades yet
[00:33] <rmg51> I just downloaded the iso's this afternoon
[00:41] <biobunsai> Oh... well welcome to the linux club:) kinda new myself:)
[00:42] <rmg51> I'm not new
[00:42] <rmg51> I use the alt cd to do my upgrades
[00:43] <rmg51> right now the servers get hammered with all the earlybirds
[00:48] <biobunsai> So that explains why its like a 4 hour download... LOL
[00:48] <rmg51> yep
[00:49] <rmg51> took me all day with bit torrent
[00:49] <biobunsai> well i wont make this mistake again.. and do you know a go place to learn to bash?  need a quick crash course:)
[00:49] <rmg51> but that was for all 4 iso's
[00:50] <rmg51> I don't but others should
[00:51] <rmg51> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[00:51] <PennBot> Title: Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide (at tldp.org)
[00:51] <rmg51> http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html
[00:51] <PennBot> Title: Bash Reference Manual (at www.gnu.org)
[00:52] <rmg51> http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/
[00:52] <PennBot> Title: Bash- GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (at www.gnu.org)
[00:53] <biobunsai> sweet thax:)
[01:00] <jthan> Anyone had issues with the upgrade process between releases?
[01:00] <biobunsai> I heard the side bar doesn't go away and there a few issues with wifi i heard.. fromother boards
[01:03] <rmg51> I lost wifi with beta2
[01:04] <jthan> I am just reffering to upgrading your release from.. 10.04-10.10 for example
[01:04] <jthan> but not reinstalling - just upgrading
[01:04] <jthan> Has that presented issues?
[01:04] <jthan> I've always opted for a clean install.
[01:06] <rmg51> there can be issues with any upgrade
[01:07] <rmg51> some of mine went bad others never had a problem
[01:08] <rmg51> the worst that can happen is a bad upgrade needing a clean install
[01:08] <rmg51> been there done that
[01:38] <biobunsai> I done that a few time:)
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> any recommendations on tablets?
[01:39] <MobileTurkey> what about the thinkpad tablet?
[02:05] <MobileTurkey> io
[02:15] <Sadin> MobileTurkey i like lenovo
[02:15] <Sadin> theyr solid
[02:58] <MobileTurkey> i love em
[03:37] <MobileTurkey>  so freakin tire
[03:50] <Sadin> MobileTurkey
[03:50] <Sadin> D:
[03:50] <Sadin> need your opinion
[03:51] <Sadin> on my first animal drawing digitally
[03:51] <Sadin> http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/art/GHO-Progress-shot-298637352
[04:28] <MobileTurkey> it's an owl
[04:28] <MobileTurkey> right?
[04:47] <biobunsai> Oh geez I have no screen saver again..
[04:55] <biobunsai> geez spent 4 hours to update.. and off to update more... sigh
[05:35] <InHisName> Sadin: yes, I believe it is an owl.   Nice detail so far....
[09:50] <JonathanD> Monring.
[09:51] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:54] <JonathanD> hey
[10:14] <InHisName> Good Morning, regulars
[10:14] <Sadin> Hi InHisName
[10:15] <InHisName> Sadin: you're up earlier or are you just still up from yesterday?
[10:21] <JonathanD> Whats up folks?
[10:23] <Sadin> InHiName im always up this early for school just have a little time cause i got ready the night before :P
[11:13] <waltman> Morning.
[11:13] <waltman> Awesome. Just had someone I barely know from Drexel chatting me up on facebook asking for money.
[11:13] <waltman> I think someone hacked into his account. Dude was claiming he'd just gotten mugged in the Phillipines.
[11:35] <biobunsai> Hiya all... so far I have had three program crashes withthe new system, but nothing serious yet:)
[11:39] <JonathanD> waltman: help, I'm trapped in siberia and I need $500 to get home.
[11:39] <JonathanD> you can paypal it to me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:17] <InHisName> izzat for real ?   moneytheif.com ?    Seems he only wants to steal from real dumb people ?
[13:36] <biobunsai> there is alot of dumb folks out there
[15:23] <aurigus> anyone going to the philly tech week signature event tonight?
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> watq
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> anyone going to Good Old War tonight?
[15:26] <waltman> aurigus: I am.
[15:28] <JonathanD> well
[15:28] <JonathanD> that depends, I guess, on if this lame car will start.
[15:28] <JonathanD> and if end up working late because of lame car not starting.
[15:29] <JonathanD> It's looking less and less likely.
[15:29] <aurigus> cool, I will be there too
[15:29] <aurigus> look for awkward guy in a jacket
[15:29] <JonathanD> waltman: you should have bought the video sunglasses
[15:29] <JonathanD> aurigus: it's tech week. Everyone is an awkward guy in a jacket.
[15:29] <aurigus> yeah, whats why i said that
[15:30] <waltman> I'll be the awkward guy with the beard and a beer.
[15:31] <waltman> I wonder if it's going to be a zoo in there.
[15:31]  * aurigus is a fellow beard holder
[15:31] <aurigus> the one last year was really swank
[15:32] <aurigus> Ive never been to the moore college of art
[15:32] <waltman> I'm hoping to chat up a former coworker about some summer job prospects.
[15:59]  * jedijf will be there
[16:00] <jedijf> with redbull and/or coffee
[16:01] <jedijf> and it does look /swanky/
[16:15] <MutantTurkey> swank
[16:20] <adom> jedijf: does myunity work on 12.04? (googling now)
[16:23] <waltman> I just realized this morning that there's a bar-code thingy I needed to print out for the PTW event tonight
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> oh yeah forgot problematic pidgeon was released
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> or pathetic panther
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> wait was it patriotic panda?
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> parlimentary poodle
[16:25] <MutantTurkey> Zygote Zebra
[16:26] <MutantTurkey> Xenophobic Xerxes
[16:27] <passstab> #ey #er
[16:29] <waltman> pernicious pachyderm?
[16:29] <waltman> pensive piranha?
[16:30] <waltman> panting pooch?
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> is there a way to tell when a process ends remotely?
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> I guess i could script it up in bash
[16:50] <MutantTurkey> right now i am using ps -p pid -o pcpu
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> to see the cpu
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> but i'd like a little notify
[16:54] <waltman> If anyone's driving in to the PTW event tonight, try to avoid Univesity City. The streets are a complete zoo today because of the Penn Relays.
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> waltman: yeah I noticed....
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> also the wind was so powerful i struggled to open the door into UC
[16:56] <MutantTurkey> lol
[18:49] <waltman> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/lab/2976741254.html
[18:49] <PennBot> Title: Bacon Dangler Needed (at atlanta.craigslist.org)
[19:00]  * passstab clicks against his better judgment
[19:01] <waltman> it's G-rated
[19:01] <passstab> pg at least
[19:02] <passstab> has the word arse
[19:04] <waltman> Right, but to the US that just sounds like a quaint Britishism
[19:05] <passstab> teehee brits
[19:05]  * passstab giggles
[21:24]  * waltman wonders how crowded this Tech Week thing tonight is going to be.


[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:20] <ZPQ> morrn
[12:50] <Jenshae> Hi. I am trying to connect remotely to a Ubuntu server. Between me and it, there is a UTM + Windows domain controller. Currently, I can get into it via Windows RDP -> Win terminal session -> Putty -> SSH. Ideally, I would like to have a graphical session via freerdp. Any config / guides that you can recommend to help?
[13:10] <jamespage> coreycb: hey do you have any bionic-proposed updates pending testing? running a regression test now so may as well mark any other bugs pending as tested
[13:11] <jamespage> Jenshae: erm well
[13:11] <jamespage> Jenshae: ubuntu server does not come with any sort of graphical environment installed by default that you can connect to
[13:12] <jamespage> SSH is the default method
[13:15] <coreycb> jamespage: no, nothing in particular. if you're also testing queens-proposed there are security updates that need regression testing.
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb: I will be doing the UCA next
[13:16] <coreycb> jamespage: great, thanks
[13:16] <jamespage> coreycb: np
[13:42] <aruns> Hey guys, need some help, working on a dedicated backup server running on Ubuntu 18.04 for a client, and cannot connect to an ethernet interface named ens1f1 - it shows up under ip link show and when I do dmesg | grep 'ens1f1' - but not sure how to proceed. If I try to SSH into the machine, I get the following: nc: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[13:43] <aruns> So I presume that I cannot SSH into the machine because it has no network connectivity.
[13:43] <aruns> I can bring up the contents of /etc/network/interfaces if needed.
[14:05] <avu> aruns: does `ip a` show valid addresses for the interface?
[14:08] <aruns> Yes.
[14:09] <aruns> A static IP of <IP_ADDRESS> has been set for the interface.
[14:09] <aruns> ip a shows both <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[14:09] <aruns> For the ens1f1 interface.
[14:10] <aruns> Does that seem correct?
[14:14] <avu> having two different IPs in the same subnet doesn't seem correct, no
[14:19] <Ussat> why not ? you can have multiple IP's in same subnet
[14:22] <avu> sure, if you do it on purpose and set up the system to know which address to use in which case
[14:27] <avu> since aruns only mentioned a static IP being configured, I assumed that the second one didn't happen on purpose which leads me to believe that the configuration of the interface is not reflecting what the user wants to achieve
[14:32] <aruns> Yeah, it's a client server as well, they gave us carte blanche to do what we want but also a limited deadline :/
[14:35] <avu> aruns: not sure how that relates. Did you mean to give the machine two different IPs on the same subnet on the same interface?
[16:34] <TJ-> Unexpected issue on 18.04 - adding a gretap interface also creates an erspan interface, and then "ip link del XXXX" seems to silently fail for each of the erspan/gretap/gre interfaces that were created. Anyone have experience of this or suggestions on what's going on?
[18:16] <Jenshae> jamespage: I did install LXDE and x2goserver, I can connect to it on the LAN. It is routing a connection from a remote site to it that I am struggling with. Is there some sort of config for it to listen to connection from the UTM, etc that I need to do?
[18:18] <Jenshae> Oh and on an 18.04 note, I couldn't install it via manual partitioning. I ended up using a desktop persistent USB to use gparted, then I could only install 16.04, upgraded to 18.04 and now things like NetworkManager doesn't work.
[18:19] <Jenshae> Can't remember the new thing, some nmap config thing that search results are returning?
[18:24] <sarnold> Jenshae: there's some known issues mentioned in the release notes that might be related to your partitioning problem https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Known_issues
[18:28] <Jenshae> sarnold: It was to do with swap space, it kept trying to grab space that I wanted to leave and use in ZFS raid and then it wanted an encrypted space but couldn't mount the partitions I allocated to it after encrypting them. That was raw.
[18:29] <Jenshae> I was trying to have Drive 1: 5.5GB for /boot, 10GB for LVM / Raid 5 /root, the rest of the space as a software raid.
[18:30] <Jenshae> Drives 2-3, the first partition was LVM swap, then I tried having the first partitions as raw.
[18:34] <nacc> 5.5 GB /boot ??
[18:36] <teward> um... that's huge
[18:36] <nacc> and a waste of space in general, I'd think
[18:37] <nacc> a 10GB /root is also ... weird
[18:38] <teward> nacc: I can understand a 512MB or 1GB /boot if you don't want to have to autoremove old kernels regularly, but 5GB is obscene :|
[18:38] <nacc> teward: agreed
[18:41] <Ussat> I do 2GB
[18:41] <Ussat> 5 is ...big
[18:42] <jelly> I always put a 4GB recovery live .iso in /boot, you don't?
[18:42]  * jelly hides
[18:42] <teward> *finds jelly, drags jelly out into the desert, ties them to a pole, then returns, leaving jelly in the desert alone*
[18:42] <teward> (just kidding!)
[18:43] <jelly> you can't drag a jelly anyway
[18:43] <nacc> Jenshae: --^ fwiw, those comments were for you :) [not the stuff about jelly, before that]
[18:44] <jelly> well they weren't for them as much as about their unusual specs
[18:45] <jelly> (grml-rescueboot is neat tho, even if not completely serious)
[18:46] <sarnold> when the drives are 10tb fiddling over a few gigs here or there feels a bit funny :)
[18:46] <Jenshae> nacc 10GBx4 /root and the 5.5GB /boot is because sometimes for some reason apt will use /boot to temporarily store files + symmetry with the other drives.
[18:48] <nacc> sarnold: ah, sorry, missed that context
[18:49] <sarnold> nacc: I don't know how large Jenshae's drives *actually* are.. it's just amused me in the past that this problem feels easy enough to address by the application of more money :)
[18:49] <jelly> using raid5 for / seems silly as well, in that case
[18:49] <nacc> sarnold: absolutely
[18:49] <jelly> nothing wrong with raid10 or raid1
[18:50] <Jenshae> Well, in the end I resorted to getting another drives, setting it up as the boot one, nothing interesting, no RAID config, etc. Then just attached the four drives as ZFS pool.


[10:35] <KBar> hello everyone! strange thing: ftp finished downloading the daily iso image but won't return to prompt. it's stuck with this line: 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for impish-desktop-amd64.iso<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes).
[10:35] <KBar> i can confirm that it has finished downloading by listing that file:<PHONE_NUMBER> Sep  8 14:24  impish-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:36] <KBar> is it safe to interrupt ftp? is this potentially a bug?


[12:46] <Knight80> Hello everyone!
[12:46] <Knight80> Good afternoon from Spain
[12:46] <Knight80> :)
[12:46] <Knight80> I'm having some problems with my remote and mythtv
[12:47] <Knight80> I'm putting the lircrc file in /home/user/.mythtv
[12:47] <Knight80> But still doesn't work