[22:54] <AlanBell> so there are lots of types of competitions out there (and even more if you don't use safesearch)
[22:54] <AlanBell> caption competitions http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/tag/caption-competition/
[22:55] <AlanBell> poetry (and bad poetry) http://www.guilfordian.com/2.3199/award-winning-poetry-sucks-at-bad-feminist-poetry-contest-1.1760236
[22:55] <AlanBell> programming and informatics http://www.olympiad.org.uk/
[22:55] <AlanBell> essays http://www.skeptic.org.uk/magazine/competitions
[22:57] <AlanBell> making unity lenses was an interesting idea but apparently there may be changes coming which make that a less good idea


[01:23] <britanny> Hi, I'm a little bit new to xubuntu, and I guess linux in general.  Is there anyone around who could help me?
[01:23] <bazhang> with what
[01:24] <britanny> I need to determine if there is a better video driver I could be using.
[01:24] <bazhang> which card, which driver, how installed
[01:25] <britanny> It is an onboard intel chipset driver
[01:25] <britanny> I haven't manually done any driver installation.  I'm currently using whatever driver xubuntu started out with upon fresh installation
[01:25] <britanny> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC) (rev 02)
[01:26] <bazhang> you could try the xorg edgers ppa for that. that card is never going to be superb though
[01:26] <britanny> Yeah...
[01:27] <britanny> I can fetch this with apt-get?
[01:28] <bazhang> once you add the ppa
[01:28] <bazhang> search at the launchpad ppa page
[01:28] <bazhang> !ppa
[01:30] <ben_says> howdy everyone, tiny hp mini 311 netbook here, installed xubuntu on it.  had some fun, recenlty went a little willy nilly installing some video tools and such... anyway... long story short, can't hear audio any more,  mute is not on, speakers are on full volume, i have installed nvidia ion recommended nvidia drivers, there is hdmi out, so taht could be enables somewhere, but... any idea how to reset ?maybe the onboard audio to defa
[01:30] <ben_says> ult?
[01:30] <ben_says> http://paste.ubuntu.com/922736/
[01:30] <britanny> Thanks baz, this'll keep me busy awhile. Might come back later. ;)
[01:32] <bazhang> ben_says, what exactly did you install. willy-nilly is not terribly helpful as a troubleshooting aid
[01:32] <ben_says> ah... a bunch of stuff... lets see. ardour jack
[01:34] <ben_says> just tried to open the software center to see, can't find the list.   but a bunch of stuff like x264 ffmpeg...
[01:35] <ben_says> something... which must have changed whatever was default...
[01:35] <bazhang> doubtful
[01:36] <ben_says> ok
[01:36] <bazhang> is alsamixer set to max? ie PCM
[01:37] <ben_says> how do i confirm that...
[01:37] <bazhang> type alsamixer in the terminal and check
[01:37] <ben_says> on my top panel i don't have an toggle...
[01:37] <ben_says> iok
[01:38] <bazhang> set PCM to around 80%, also pavucontrol should tell you something
[01:38] <ben_says> not max but 84... is master...
[01:38] <bazhang> !info pavucontrol
[01:38] <ben_says> everything else is 100
[01:38] <ben_says> it looks like headphone is selected..
[01:38] <ben_says> how do i toggle back to speakers
[01:38] <ben_says> its red in <   >
[01:39] <ben_says> i see f6
[01:39] <ben_says> try this
[01:41] <ben_says> huh
[01:43] <ben_says> not working...
[01:44] <ben_says> in my alsa switcher... should that be - default or 0 hdmi
[01:44] <ben_says> any guesses
[01:46] <ben_says> ok pcm and everything is leveled to 80
[01:49] <ben_says> installing pavucontrol
[01:51] <ben_says> NICE!
[01:52] <ben_says> pavucontrol got analog speakers working again.
[01:54] <ben_says> but  (pavucontrol:10473): DEBUG: Error reading config file /home/volar/.config/pavucontrol.ini: No such file or directory
[01:54] <ben_says> ** (pavucontrol:10473): DEBUG: Failed to initialize device manager extension: No such extension
[01:55] <ben_says> interesting... the gui pops up upon running pavucontrol... but i get those errors...
[01:56] <ben_says> any reason to use alsa vs pulse audio
[01:57] <ben_says> very big thanks to bazhang and ubottu
[02:06] <mkultra_> is it me or does xfce not like compiz
[02:15] <ben_says> 'night all
[02:35] <FerchoLP> Is "nothing" the default behavior on critical battery level? Or is it "hibernate"? I had it on "nothing" but maybe it was because some error in my laptop
[02:36] <mkultra_> i set mine to nothing, i think sleep's better for it
[02:36] <mkultra_> tell the pc to turn off ya know
[02:37] <FerchoLP> YEs, suspend is a good option because in suspend mode battery only decreases at about 1% per hour, so you would have almost 10 hours to plug it in again
[02:40] <FerchoLP> but I think the safest default behavior would be hibernate. It is the same as discussing about the default "on close lid" behavior.
[02:41] <mkultra_> yeah 1 or the other
[02:42] <mkultra_> my machine just goes from running to dead
[02:42] <FerchoLP> One half including me think that default should be suspension, but the other half thinks "Nothing" is better. it's a neverending debate
[02:42] <mkultra_> yeah i do nothing and hard restarts and fsck.jfs
[02:42] <mkultra_> just fsck ur unmounted drives when they freak out
[02:43] <FerchoLP> haha
[03:03] <marote> anyone available to help me with ati drivers issues?
[03:03] <GridCube> !anyone
[03:04] <GridCube> !ask
[03:04] <maoranma> !patience
[03:05] <GridCube> !nothelping | GridCube
[03:05] <pengemis> lol
[03:05] <marote> i dont know if it is correct to install the ati drivers directly from the "Additional Drivers" app, and whichone to install (the common driver or the post-release) Thxs
[03:06] <maoranma> You should be fine to install via the Additional Drivers, typically there's one called "recommended", use that
[03:38] <josh> can't get terminal to work. seems after an 'apt-get upgrade', it "forgot" the defaults (i.e. 'open browser','read email',etc) but this also applies to opening a terminal both in the taskbar menu and secondary click on desktop
[03:39] <josh> rather, can't get terminal to open inside xfce
[03:57] <well_laid_lawn> josh: can you open the terminal from the run dialog? alt+F2 and enter xfce4-terminal
[04:35] <josh> well_laid_lawn: awesome, worked like a charm, lol. Opinions on a better terminal?
[04:38] <malv> i just discovered XFCE
[04:38] <malv> much better than unity
[04:42] <josh> oh yea, unity is just... so... ugh, lol. It might be good as a touch screen GUI, but with a mouse... it's just tedious.
[04:43] <josh> well_laid_lawn: i just didn't realize that the terminal in xfce was prefixed with 'xfce4-' =)
[04:47] <well_laid_lawn> heh :)
[07:34] <MordFustang> Can someone tell me how to search for files in folders ? :D
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> find /path -name file
[07:57] <Sysi> or use catfish
[11:48] <martinphone> hi
[11:48] <martinphone> I need to format a newly bought 1TB HDD. for that I need to open gparted and create a partition table on a msdos filesystem, right?
[11:49] <martinphone> then I can choose to make it EXT4, right?
[11:50] <forestpiskie> pretty sure that's what I did  martinphone
[11:51] <martinphone> ok
[11:51] <martinphone> my 1tb hdd SHOWS 931 GB USABLE SPACE, rip off? sorry for caps
[11:52] <forestpiskie> yea - been there for that one ...
[11:53] <forestpiskie> you can though change the amount of space that is reserved for root - normally 5%
[11:53] <martinphone> a yes, that can only be done via command line, right?
[11:54] <forestpiskie> believe so martinphone
[11:54] <joeythesaint> There's also tuning the filesystem block size, depending on what you're using.
[11:54] <martinphone> forestpiskie, please paste the command, or a link to it
[11:54] <martinphone> and I still cannot mount ANY HDD, including this one that I can gpart
[11:54] <forestpiskie> trying to remember :p
[11:54] <martinphone> I can cd to it and ls it
[11:54] <joeythesaint> I don't recall how df calculates space, whether it's based on block or inode count, but tweaking your sizes can produce different (apparent) results.
[11:54] <Mofasa> hey I got a problem with using ssh socks for some reason. I can telnet to the port but when im trying to run it as socks no application will work with it.
[11:55] <martinphone> file manager does nothing
[11:55] <Mofasa> Anyone know what might be wrong?
[11:55] <matteo75fe> hello
[11:55] <matteo75fe> only in english?
[11:55] <martinphone> only if you meet orthodox admins matteo75fe
[11:55] <forestpiskie> martinphone: tunes2fs -m X% /dev/foo
[11:56] <martinphone> Do decimals work? tunes2fs -m 0.5% /dev/foo
[11:56] <forestpiskie> martinphone: no idea - I'd just 1 but try
[11:56] <joeythesaint> It's also good to keep in mind that HDD manufacturers use different values for what a GB is.  Typically they still seem to be saying 1GB = 1000MB, which simply isn't true.  :-)
[11:56] <forestpiskie> joeythesaint: +1
[11:57] <martinphone> true joeythesaint
[11:57] <joeythesaint> Criminals.  :-D
[11:57] <martinphone> worse than that....
[11:57] <forestpiskie> martinphone: no idea about the mount thing - but I can have a look in a while - just about to go afk
[11:58] <martinphone> lol, No command 'tunes2fs' found, did you mean
[11:58] <martinphone> goin to synaptic
[11:58] <forestpiskie> whoops
[11:59] <forestpiskie> tune2fs
[11:59] <martinphone> aa. ok
[11:59] <martinphone> does that come by default in xubuntu?
[11:59] <forestpiskie> yep
[12:00] <martinphone> crap: tune2fs 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[12:00] <martinphone> tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/foo
[12:00] <martinphone> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[12:00] <forestpiskie> change foo to wahtever the drive is :)
[12:00] <Mofasa> Could someone please take a look at my issue.
[12:00] <forestpiskie> what did gparted call it
[12:00] <martinphone> yes, i cd ed to it
[12:00] <martinphone> a crap, you mean the partition, not just usb...
[12:00] <martinphone> ok
[12:00] <forestpiskie> yea partition
[12:01] <forestpiskie> Mofasa: if someone can answer you they will
[12:01] <joeythesaint> Oh, martinphone, I wasn't paying attention.  Did you just partition this drive?
[12:01] <forestpiskie> yea
[12:02] <martinphone> joeythesaint, I bought it, created an ext4 partition for all the thing
[12:02] <martinphone> from home dir, how do I cd to /dev/sdb1?
[12:02] <joeythesaint> Ah.  If it's internal you'll likely need to reboot.  External you should just be able to power it down and power it back up again.
[12:02] <martinphone> i tried media/usb, but nothing
[12:03] <joeythesaint> A friend of mine a few years back patched his kernel to be able to invalidate it's understanding of partition tables while running but it was an ugly hack and nothing that would ever be accepted upstream, as I recall.
[12:03] <joeythesaint> You can't cd to /dev/sdb1, it's a device, not actually a filesystem.
[12:03] <forestpiskie> tune2fs should still see it
[12:04] <joeythesaint> Yeah, if it doesn't it's likely because the kernel doesn't quite know about it yet.
[12:04] <forestpiskie> I've never had to reboot to fiddle with unmounted partitions
[12:04] <joeythesaint> It's just when you create a new one on an internal drive.
[12:04] <forestpiskie> mmm - perhaps
[12:04] <joeythesaint> fdisk tells you that when you finish up with it, actually.
[12:04] <joeythesaint> Or it used to.
[12:05]  * joeythesaint doesn't typically read the output from fdisk/cfdisk these days.
[12:05] <forestpiskie> k - long time since I could afford new hardware - probably not remembering :)
[12:05] <forestpiskie> biab
[12:06] <joeythesaint> Still, if this is a usb external drive, it shouldn't matter.  The udev/hotplug stuff should take care of it if you just disconnect it and reconnect it after creating your partitions.
[12:07] <joeythesaint> Though you'll likely *then* need to do the 'mke2fs -t ext4 <other options>' step.
[12:09] <martinphone> I have labelled the HDD, I can now open it with file manager. In terminal I still get: tune2fs 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[12:09] <martinphone> tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/foo
[12:09] <martinphone> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[12:09] <martinphone> Is that because it is owned by root?
[12:10] <joeythesaint> Oh!  Okay, so at the terminal do this:  'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb'  (no 1, just the sdb, or whatever your disk is.
[12:11] <joeythesaint> That's a - little-L option.  List partition table info.
[12:11] <martinphone> /dev/sdb1            2048<PHONE_NUMBER>   976760832   83  Linux
[12:12] <martinphone> do you want to see the whole output?
[12:12] <joeythesaint> Okey doke.  So /dev/sdb is your disk, /dev/sdb1 is your partition.  tune2fs needs to be pointed at /dev/sdb1
[12:12] <joeythesaint> Nah, that's all I needed.
[12:13] <joeythesaint> So then what does this do:  'sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /mnt'?
[12:13] <joeythesaint> Does it actually succeed in mounting your filesystem on /mnt?
[12:13] <martinphone> joeythesaint, from home dir, right?
[12:13] <joeythesaint> Yeah, doesn't matter where you do that command.
[12:14] <joeythesaint> Except you shouldn't be in /mnt already.
[12:14] <joeythesaint> Anywhere else is fine.
[12:14] <martinphone> joeythesaint, it doesnt appear in /mnt, but in /media
[12:14] <joeythesaint> Oh, it's already mounted?
[12:15] <martinphone> Im sorry, I may be confusing you, but the truth is I have no idea
[12:15] <martinphone> apparently yes, but I dont recall how I did it
[12:15] <joeythesaint> It's not safe to tune2fs on a mounted filesystem.  It's supposed to be possible in ext4 but it's still experimental and kind of dicey.
[12:15] <martinphone> so gparted unmount, then terminal
[12:16] <joeythesaint> Stuff that gets mounted in /media tends to be done automatically by your system.  Don't worry about that.
[12:16] <joeythesaint> You've got several options for unmounting.  Obviously I'm most comfortable with the command line so I'd do this:  "sudo umount /dev/sdb1"
[12:16] <joeythesaint> Then, yeah, tune2fs away and you shold be good.
[12:16] <joeythesaint> s/shold/should/
[12:17] <joeythesaint> Once you're done you should just be able to unplug the device and plug it back in again and it should automatically mount again in the same spot.
[12:17] <martinphone> tune2fs -m 1 /dev/foo or tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sdb1?
[12:17] <joeythesaint> Probably some horrible hex number that is the device's UUID and not meaningful to humans at all.
[12:18] <joeythesaint> tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sdb1
[12:18] <martinphone> is it normal that the newly formatted hdd is owned by root?
[12:18] <joeythesaint> Yep.
[12:19] <martinphone> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[12:20] <joeythesaint> Once it's mounted you can create directories there owned by your regular user.  Something like "sudo mkdir /media/<device_name>/martin; sudo chown martin:martin /media/<device_name>/martin" and you're off to the races.
[12:20] <joeythesaint> Ah, so that says there's partition information but the fs is borked.  You haven't put anything on there yet, have you?
[12:21] <martinphone> no, nothing in there, just the lost+found directory
[12:21] <joeythesaint> ... weird.
[12:21] <joeythesaint> One sec.
[12:22] <joeythesaint> manpage seems to indicate tune2fs should be able to identify it as ext4 properly.
[12:23] <joeythesaint> Well, if there's nothing else there, nuke and pave.  No harm in it.
[12:23] <martinphone> im sorry if this is my fault: I just added sudo and the thing worked
[12:23]  * joeythesaint checks the manpages.
[12:23] <martinphone> were you assuming I was in the terminal as root?
[12:23] <joeythesaint> Oh!
[12:23] <joeythesaint> Yeah, sorry, everything you do on the devices you have to do it as root.
[12:23] <joeythesaint> :-)
[12:24] <martinphone> ok
[12:24] <martinphone> now back to gparted to mount, right?
[12:24] <joeythesaint> Yessir.
[12:29] <martinphone> I get different total counts on gparted and filesystem, is that normal?
[12:30] <martinphone> raining cats and dogs oer here
[12:30] <martinphone> crap, I wanted to do some jogging
[12:34] <matteo75fe> hi
[12:35] <matteo75fe> when the 12.04 coming out???
[12:35] <matteo75fe> sorry, my english is not very good..
[12:35] <martinphone> 18 days
[12:36] <martinphone> are you italian?
[12:36] <matteo75fe> yes
[12:36] <martinphone> a, I only know swear words
[12:36] <matteo75fe> swear?
[12:36] <martinphone> yes, like van fan culo figlio di putana, or coglioni
[12:37] <matteo75fe> yes, is international !
[12:37] <martinphone> did I write that well?
[12:37] <martinphone> ego?
[12:37] <matteo75fe> figa culo tette
[12:37] <martinphone> what does that mean?
[12:37] <martinphone> i understand culo
[12:38] <matteo75fe> is a dirty word in italian
[12:38] <martinphone> could you give a similar meaning in english?
[12:38] <matteo75fe> but the favorite is FIGA
[12:38] <matteo75fe> figa = pussy
[12:38] <matteo75fe> culo = ass
[12:38] <martinphone> ahahahahaha
[12:38] <matteo75fe> tette = boob
[12:39] <bazhang> matteo75fe, stop that
[12:39] <martinphone> why bazhang ? its funny
[12:39] <bazhang> martinphone, lets move on
[12:39] <matteo75fe> the italian girl is so beautiful bat she is a precius
[12:39] <martinphone> ok matteo75fe , dont risk a ban, pm if you wanna share more italian words
[12:39] <joeythesaint> martinphone: Yeah, different counts is normal, all of the tools choose their own way to display 'size'.
[12:39] <joeythesaint> The one I use is the command line tool (not surprisingly) df.
[12:40] <martinphone> bazhang, that was uncalled for
[12:40] <joeythesaint> df
[12:40] <joeythesaint> Filesystem     1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[12:40] <joeythesaint> /dev/sda5      223991844 204818072   7960808  97% /
[12:40] <bazhang> martinphone, perhaps you need to look at the channel guidelines
[12:40] <joeythesaint> Hrm.  Time to do something about that.
[12:40] <bazhang> !guidelines > martinphone
[12:40] <joeythesaint> df -h will probably give you something you're more interested in here.
[12:40] <martinphone> ubottu, I dont see any private message
[12:40] <joeythesaint> 'df -h /dev/sdb1'  <--- for that you don't need sudo.
[12:40] <martinphone> lol, smart me
[12:42] <martinphone> joeythesaint, something weird is happening: for this newly formatted 1TB HDD labeled VOLUME3 file manager recognizes the mountpoint and mounts it as VOLUME3, but I have another older VOLUME1, and to access this one I must use /mnt/usb0
[12:42] <martinphone> I mean, if I clikc on VOLUME1, nothing happens
[12:43] <martinphone> bazhang, is yours a permaban?
[12:43] <joeythesaint> Ugh.  Sorry, now you're into the realm of automounting and dbus-y stuff.  That's all way too new tech for me to understand.
[12:43] <bazhang> martinphone, lets move on, not your issue
[12:43] <joeythesaint> Probably someone else here can help with that, martinphone.
[12:44] <martinphone> ill wait for babble
[12:47] <martinphone> gtg
[12:48] <martinphone> crap, I cannot safely eject /mnt/usb0, the option does not exist
[13:16] <martinphone> i cannot eject volumes because daemon is inhibited
[13:16] <martinphone> help please
[13:16] <martinphone> volume = HDD
[15:10] <SandJ> Grrr.  I have just tried reporting a bug with KMail in Ubuntu 11.10.  At the end of the process bugs.kde.org came back and said "There is no version named '4.7.3' in the 'kmail2' product." but 4.7.3 is the version of KMail that is installed by the Ubuntu Software Centre.  Any ideas?
[15:11] <SandJ> Oops.  Ubuntu 11.10 --> Xubuntu 11.10
[15:11] <bazhang> !info kmail
[15:12] <bazhang> looks like 4.7.4 SandJ
[15:13] <SandJ> "About KMail" says "KMail Version 4.7.3, Using KDE Development Platform 4.7.4 (4.7.4)"
[15:16] <SandJ> I used "Help", "Report Bug" and it says it is version 4.7.3 and I used the "Launch Bug Report Wizard" where I entered all the details and when I clicked on "Submit Bug Report", the web site rejected it saying there is no version 4.7.3
[15:17] <SandJ> So, it appears there is a bug in v4.7.4 that it reports itself as a non-existent 4.7.3 which means you can;t report bugs against 4.7.4  !   So How do I report THAT bug?   Aaaargghhh!
[15:18] <babble> have you updated? There should be a 4.7.4 update available for you which (may?) fix whatever problem you're having. The current package in oneric-updates is the 4.7.4 git build bazhang just mentioned.
[15:18] <babble> I'm also looking here:
[15:18] <babble> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kmail&searchon=names&suite=oneiric-updates&section=all
[15:20] <SandJ> I installed this Xubuntu a week ago, KMail 2 days ago.  There are no updates available.  The package I have installed is 4:4.7.4+git111222-0ubuntu0.1
[15:21] <babble> why are you trying to file a bug against 4.7.3 in that case?
[15:21] <SandJ> Because KMail is reporting itself as being 4.7.3 and I cannot over-ride that.
[15:21] <babble> have you checked the kmail maintainers' website, instead of using whatever internal bug reporting the app uses?
[15:26] <babble> you can file a bug against an unspecified version of kmail here: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=kmail2
[15:26] <babble> (you'll need to make an account), and then, in your bug description,  be sure and tell them what version you have installed (and possibly that it's reporting itself as 4.7.3)
[15:32] <SandJ> @babble, thank you.
[15:33] <babble> just about everything that accepts bug reports these days has a bugtracker on the web someplace.
[15:36] <babble> if Oneric-updates is using a build from git, I suppose it's possible that version strings might not have gotten updated.
[15:40] <SandJ> I had spent 80 minutes working out how to reproduce a KMail folder filing bug and typed it up into the bugs web page, but could not submit it.  I *hate* software that tries to be clever and then fails, and this was one of those instances.  "Hey, I'll report what version I am for you!  (and get it wrong!)"
[15:41] <babble> it's probably not the KDE maintainers' fault the git build in that ubuntu package is a hint.
[15:41] <babble> they're probably building that from an earlier git commit that will actually build in 11.10 successfully
[15:43] <babble> so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other: disable oneric-updates and don't get updated packages, or accept that this is a backport that in this once instance is a little problematic and go around kmail's own bug reporting.
[15:44] <babble> (if that's the case, be prepared for your bug to be closed with no action taken, however.)
[15:46] <babble> it looks like the tracker currently tracks 4.8 releases 4.8.3 and 4.8.4.
[15:46] <babble> search for things along the line of your problem and make sure it hasn't already been fixed in 4.8
[15:48] <babble> if your problem HAS been fixed in 4.8, there's a 4.8 package in Precise. be patient.
[16:27] <t800> hi
[16:28] <t800> is someone here, who probably may help me with pulseaudio?
[16:30] <SandJ> @t800: This is one of the places where you don't ask if you can ask, you just ask.  :)
[16:42] <SandJ> Or you give up without asking.  :-/
[16:51] <martinphone> how is the part that mounts and unmounts usb HDD called? is there a package I can re install to see if it solves my defective mounts?
[16:57] <martinphone> why is my new HDD owned by root? I can only copy and paste data with nautilus...
[16:58] <martinphone> hello?
[17:07] <SandJ> @martinphone: is the USB HDD already partitioned and formatted?  Why do you say it is defective?
[17:07] <martinphone> SandJ, because it does not automount: I can see the label , but if I cloick on it it does nothing
[17:08] <martinphone> it is a problem that has been lagging for some months now... maybe 6
[17:08] <martinphone> click*
[17:10] <martinphone> and yes, already partitioned and formatted
[17:10] <SandJ> In my Xubuntu 11.10 that is set in: Settings, Settings Manager, Removable Drives & Media, Storage, Mount removable drives when hot-plugged
[17:10] <SandJ> and Mount removable media when inserted
[17:13] <martinphone> so do I SandJ
[17:13] <martinphone> do you know how to change permissions from the terminal? I cannot copy data to it, because I am not root
[17:13] <SandJ> When I formatted a UDB HDD to ext4 I could not access it; I had to reformat it as ext2.
[17:14] <SandJ> That was when I formatted it on another PC; root had access but I could not write to it.
[17:14] <SandJ> UDB HDD --> USB HDD
[17:15] <martinphone> and you could as ext2...
[17:15] <martinphone> as --> in
[17:15] <SandJ> And I could as ext2.
[17:15] <martinphone> how odd
[17:17] <SandJ> It is something to do with ext3 and ext4 preserving rights.  I thought I was being clever when I did it.
[17:19] <martinphone> why didnt it happen to me back in ubuntu?
[17:20] <SandJ> Dunno.   Is that when you formatted the drive?
[17:24] <martinphone> no, this is the 1st drive I format using xubuntu
[17:24] <martinphone> will this work? sudo chmod a+xw /dev/sdb1
[17:28]  * SandJ is away: rebooting
[17:28] <DinoMuffin> So has anyone here had issues with the intel graphics driver locking up when playing games? It seems to be a bit unstable now
[17:30] <DinoMuffin> Specifically, X seems to go into an infinite loop at some point duing gameplay, so the keyboard and mouse become completely unresponsive
[17:30] <DinoMuffin> I see no evidence of a kernel panic or hard lock as it still responds to sysreq
[17:31] <DinoMuffin> X reports " EQ overflowing. The server is probably stuck in an infinite loop."
[17:31] <DinoMuffin> I'm unable to envoke the virtual terminal, however. :/
[18:07] <Kingsy> guys, I have just plugged in a usb mic and the levels are REALLY low, I can barely hear the play back and on audacity I can hardly see he wave form.. it IS recording tho.. I can hear it.. audacity says its using ALSA but alsamixer master volume is already set to 100% what am I missing?
[18:24] <holstein> Kingsy: i might try pavucontrol, assuming you are using pulse
[18:25] <holstein> you can try JACK with something like ardour, where there are things like jackmixer to boost the signal
[18:25] <holstein> though, i would prefer boosting the signal with a proper hardware, like a nice preamp
[18:26] <holstein> USB mics are not made for what you are trying to use them for typically... they are for speaking directly into them
[18:47] <chiliblue> Hi folks, looking for help with audio over hdmi on a nvidia 210.
[18:47] <chiliblue> I have it sort of working, well the menu sounds work in xbmc, I can send sound to it, but no desktop sounds (or when video plays for that matter)
[18:49] <chiliblue> I get sound through Card 0, Device 7, but xubuntu is seeing 4 devices, how do I get it to see and use only the right one.
[18:52] <chiliblue> anyone know of a how to on this, everything I find is ubuntu rather than xubuntu.
[18:53] <Kingsy> holstein: sorry m8, about the late reply..
[18:53] <holstein> chiliblue: should work fine
[18:53] <holstein> chiliblue: xubuntu = ubuntu with XFCE and other customizations
[18:53] <Kingsy> holstein: I fixed it, I increased the mic capture volume.. it was really low
[18:53] <holstein> chiliblue: i would try pavucontrol if you are using pulse
[18:54] <chiliblue> Yes I wanted something lighter hence xubuntu
[18:54] <Kingsy> holstein: but now its my webcam.. giving me REALLY low res crappy framerate output from vlc
[18:54] <Kingsy> holstein: thanks for the advice tho
[18:54] <holstein> chiliblue: im not suggesting ubuntu.. im saying that the how-to's for ubuntu should work.. and im suggesting the package pavucontrol
[18:55] <chiliblue> i am using pulse, its really driving me nuts, sound was working in video but not in menus and now its the other way around. But I can't understand why I don't have any desktop sounds (I might be being dim...but I take it xubuntu does normally have desktop sounds
[18:56] <chiliblue> I have pavucontrol installed.
[18:59] <holstein> chiliblue: i dont think there are sounds
[18:59] <holstein> chiliblue: assume nothing... if you dont hear any, and havent, there's probably not any
[19:07] <chiliblue> Thanks holstein, that is one thing I don't have to worry about then
[19:11] <Mokura> How would I go about disabling keys on the keyboard?  My Thinkpad X40 has forward and back keys right next to the arrow keys and it's annoying when I accidentially hit them while web browsing.
[19:11] <Mokura> ThinkWiki isn't exactly clear on the matter, and the page I was looking at was more for ENABLING the special functions.
[19:22] <martinphone> can hidden files be copied if I ctrl+h to see them and copy them?
[19:23] <forestpiskie> yep
[19:23] <Mokura> Alright, repeating the question since there are more people about: how would I go about disabling certain keys on my keyboard?
[19:24] <Mokura> notably, the forward/back keys
[20:11] <yrussq> Hi evrbdy! I have question - after updating to 12.04 beta - in Mozilla addon Flashaid i have message: "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal.
[20:11] <yrussq> getpt failed: No such file or directory."  How can i fix it?
[20:15] <babble> looks like a few similar bugs have been reported.
[20:15] <babble> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/245956
[20:15] <babble> it looks like a /dev virtual device isn't getting created.
[20:16] <babble> this is a fix from that particular launchpad thread:
[20:16] <babble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/923918/
[20:28] <yrussq> babble: thanx! i'll better go check the links :) Have found some solutions for Archlinux but they didn't help me yesterday.
[20:29] <Mokura> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/927393 not my post, but is there anything I can do about that other than possibly 'wait for 12.04 official'?
[20:30] <Mokura> er, well, "release", not official
[20:50] <xubuntu550> hi, who are speak french please ?
[21:30] <martinphone> je peux parler un peut, mais ne tres bien
[21:30] <martinphone> un peu*
[21:32] <well_laid_lawn> !fr | martinphone
[21:33] <Mofasa> my computer keep shutting off itself from time to time. Says like when u use the shutdown cmd in all terminals Description: (unknown)
[21:33] <martinphone> that I get for being nice
[21:33] <Mofasa> anyone know why this might happen?
[21:33] <Mofasa> or how to go deeper...
[21:34] <Unit193> Check the logs in /var/log/
[21:35] <well_laid_lawn> martinphone: I had no idea what you had said - the other bloke had left
[21:41] <Brambor> Zdarec
[21:42] <Brambor> Hele jsem na xubuntu nový...vlastně celý linux je pro mě trochu španělská vesnice...může mi někdo dát pár rad do začátku? :)
[21:42] <martinphone> if I copy .firefox (hidden file) and nuke it, I can still get FF as it was before the nuking by copying this hidden into my home folder, right?
[21:43] <martinphone> nuke the machine
[21:43] <martinphone> so no french but czech is allowed??
[21:43] <martinphone> or any other slavic language that may be...
[21:43] <well_laid_lawn> was that czech? there is
[21:43] <Brambor> Sorry, I'm new here...is this english only channel?
[21:44] <well_laid_lawn> !cz
[21:44] <martinphone> jackpot
[21:44] <Unit193> martinphone: You should be able to just fine.
[21:44] <martinphone> Unit193, I have like 20 apps I need to keep the config for
[21:44] <martinphone> after the nuking
[21:44] <Unit193> Well, hidden folder rather than file.
[21:44] <martinphone> yes, that
[21:45] <martinphone> all my hidden folders ammount to 12GB
[21:45] <martinphone> never though could be that much
[21:45] <babble> are you including .cache?
[21:45] <Unit193> You could nuke the cahce of ff for example.
[21:45] <babble> (if you're getting .firefox, I believe you are. let me check.)
[21:45] <well_laid_lawn> or .gvfs
[21:46] <babble> and yes, if you've got mounted .gvfs volumes, there's that
[21:46] <martinphone> a, crap, yes babble that too
[21:47] <martinphone> I can get rid of it, it wouldnt make any sense in a new installation, would it?
[21:48] <babble> you don't need to back up cache items, most typically.
[21:49] <martinphone> without it, still 11 GB
[21:49] <babble> what's in your home folder ~/.firefox? My ff profile is in ~/.mozilla
[21:49] <martinphone> mine too babble
[21:49] <martinphone> i hust wrote that without checking its real location
[21:49] <babble> you said .firefox
[21:49] <Unit193> I'd recommend using du or ncdu.
[21:49] <martinphone> just*
[21:50] <babble> what do you have in ~/.gvfs, if anything?
[21:50] <martinphone> nothing at all babble
[21:51] <babble> check and see if any of your apps make their own cache folders outside of ~/.cache (Firestorm does this in its own prefs directory)
[21:53] <martinphone> what are .goutputstream-01NS5V hidden files?
[21:54] <babble> gstreamer, I think.
[21:54] <babble> let me check
[21:55] <babble> they're the results of a Gnome function called GoOutputStream in Gnome applications, and are safely deletable.
[21:57] <martinphone> thx babble
[22:02] <martinphone> soon ill be ready to drop a nuke...
[22:02] <babble> I always clean install my system on a new release.
[22:02] <babble> but I told you that already.
[22:04] <martinphone> yes babble
[22:38] <Mokura> Alright, so.  I seem to have painted myself into a corner.  I've installed some font patches from http://www.infinality.net/blog/infinality-freetype-patches/ , is there any way to go back to the default freetype?
[22:39] <Mokura> http://www.infinality.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77#p794 the installation instructions I used, since I'm not on Fedora
[22:39] <chiliblue> anyone good with hdmi audio around
[22:42] <GridCube> nope, but what do you need chiliblue
[22:44] <chiliblue> I have a hp microserver with a nvidia 210 card, I can get the thing to make sound but I am struggling with it in xbmc
[22:45] <martinphone> I still get this when trying to unmount a usb HDD: umount: /media/usb0 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)
[22:46] <martinphone> should I go sudo unmount /dev/sdb1 ?
[22:46] <martinphone> thats the gparted name for usb0
[22:46] <chiliblue> try it
[22:47] <GridCube> chiliblue, tried configuring yuor sound e
[22:47] <GridCube> with pavucontrol
[22:47] <GridCube> ?
[22:47] <chiliblue> I have pavucontrol
[22:47] <chiliblue> not entirel I am meant to be setting up like thoughy sure what
[22:48] <chiliblue> sorry, reclining with laptop
[22:48] <chiliblue> not sure I really understand what right looks like in pavucontrol
[22:48] <GridCube> ?
[22:49] <GridCube> say again?
[22:50] <chiliblue> let me fire it up, and perhaps you can explain what I am meant to be doing
[22:51] <martinphone> wow, it worked, but the HDD keeps making noise...
[22:51] <martinphone> there it worked
[22:51] <GridCube> chiliblue, sure thing
[22:52] <chiliblue> ok, output devices. there are 2 hdmi and high definition audio controller digital stereo (hdmi) nr 2
[22:52] <chiliblue> the later is in port hdmi 2
[22:53] <GridCube> chiliblue, are you playing the musics?
[22:53] <chiliblue> although there is only on hdmi port on the card
[22:53] <chiliblue> mainly audio for video
[22:54] <chiliblue> my issue in xbmc is that it plays sound for the menu until I play a video file, video audio plays but the menu sounds go...and then there is this issue with it hanging when I try to play a second video file, I think it might be audio related
[22:56] <chiliblue> what should my fall back setting be? seems to defalt to the first hdac
[22:56] <chiliblue> other than volume that pretty much the only option I can alter in output deviced
[22:56] <GridCube> i would try them all while playing
[22:56] <chiliblue> devices
[22:57] <GridCube> chiliblue, its not like i dont want to help you, but i think you might get better answers at #xbmc
[22:58] <chiliblue> in config I have 8 options
[22:58] <babble> does it give you problems in xbmc-unstable?
[22:58] <chiliblue> this eden I haven't tried unstable
[22:58] <babble> shot in the dark, but I wonder if there may be wider hardware support in the development branch
[22:58] <chiliblue> I was hoping stable would be well stable
[22:59] <babble> I'm running unstable, and I'm not having huge issues, but YMMV of course.
[22:59] <chiliblue> it isn't a new card to be honest
[22:59] <babble> I wasn't thinking new, necessarily.
[22:59] <chiliblue> babble is the video wierdness at the begining of video play normal?
[23:00] <babble> not for me, but again, I can't say what may or may not be happening on your hardware.
[23:00] <chiliblue> well the video card is handling decoding so perhaps it is something to do with that, all seems related to the hdmi audio.
[23:01] <babble> it may be purely me talking out of thin air, but contributed code for things like particular patches for particular cards will land in svn before they roll into the stable release, right? so...
[23:02] <babble> given that the team xbmc ppa is building -unstable from snapshots, ...
[23:03] <chiliblue> no arguing with the logic
[23:03] <babble> I'm not trying to argue anything
[23:03] <babble> I'm just wondering
[23:03] <chiliblue> sound is such pita in linux, I miss the sb16 days
[23:04] <babble> I've spent three days trying to get a workable JACK/midi toolchain that doesn't make me want to claw my eyeballs out in frustration. hehe.
[23:05] <chiliblue> I guess I am used to things just working in linux, losing my edge when things go tits up
[23:05] <babble> I'm normally up for figuring things out, getting things working.
[23:05] <babble> audio is one place where I generally just give up and hop back into Logic or Garageband on a Macintosh.
[23:05] <babble> heh.
[23:07] <chiliblue> this is so sound related. With the wrong wettings the video fires straight up (no sound) no stuttering
[23:07] <chiliblue> settings rather
[23:08] <babble> it sounds like it, but I can't offer any specific fixes for your hardware, unfortunately.
[23:08] <Mokura> bah, okay, sorry to bail like that
[23:08] <babble> try unstable? It can't be any worse than what you have now, can it?
[23:08] <chiliblue> no really
[23:09] <babble> the unstable ppa is here, if you need:
[23:09] <babble> https://launchpad.net/~team-xbmc/+archive/unstable
[23:09] <chiliblue> so frustrating, I am trying to dump a winxp mediaportal combo...which I ended up with because there was 0 support for my dvt-s/t card
[23:10] <chiliblue> thanks babble,


[00:00] <huwshimi> hatch: I thought I had all those states correctly created, but I must have broken something
[00:02] <huwshimi> hatch: You're branch will be a lot simpler then too.
[00:03] <hatch> otp sec
[00:09] <hatch> huwshimi nope I should only ever have one class applied
[00:09] <hatch> where are you seeing two?
[00:10] <huwshimi> hatch: Oh, I thought here you set two: https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/425/files#diff-0ed25fe35627272b0f6b928691ad7f44R165
[00:14] <hatch> hmm looking
[00:17] <hatch> huwshimi right I'm setting two there because I need the per machine constraints message shown but not the edit constraints inputs
[00:17] <hatch> so what it does it basically cascade setting only the last one
[00:17] <hatch> or is it....
[00:17] <hatch> hmm
[00:18] <hatch> maybe that's a typo
[00:18] <hatch> heh sorry long day
[00:18] <hatch> lemme check
[00:18] <huwshimi> hatch: Yeah, it looks like it.
[00:18] <huwshimi> hatch: Which begs the question, why do you track the state of all the classes then, why not just set the one you want?
[00:20] <huwshimi> The whole point of setting a single state class is so that you don't have to track the state of the UI
[00:21] <hatch> right so that was a typo
[00:21] <hatch> and because of that you make a good point
[00:21] <hatch> well that's irritating
[00:22] <hatch> huwshimi thanks I'll fix this up tonight
[00:22] <hatch> it's clearly been a bad few days lol
[00:22] <huwshimi> hatch: haha, everything OK?
[00:22] <hatch> oh yeah, this is just the branch that doesn't end
[00:24] <huwshimi> hatch: I think you're just over complicating it :)
[00:25] <hatch> it's gone from level 10 complexity down to about a 2 after your comments haha
[00:25] <huwshimi> hatch: i expect that diff will halve in size :)
[00:26] <hatch> at least
[00:28] <huwshimi> :)
[04:06] <hatch> huwshimi hey when is your EOD/
[04:06] <hatch> ?
[04:06] <huwshimi> hatch: In four hours
[04:07] <hatch> nice - want to do a review/qa on my branch when I finish it?
[04:07] <huwshimi> hatch: Sure
[04:07] <hatch> awesome thanks
[04:07] <hatch> I went out so now I'm back to get this darn branch done
[04:07] <hatch> haha
[04:10] <huwshimi> hatch: Good luck!
[04:32] <hatch> alllllmost done
[04:32] <huwshimi> yay
[04:32] <hatch> it's fast when you've done it so many times over already
[04:32] <hatch> :D
[04:33] <huwshimi> hehe
[04:37] <hatch> huwshimi https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/425 let'r'rip
[04:39] <huwshimi> hatch: Looks like you need a rebase with all those commits there before it lands
[04:40] <hatch> yeah I'll rebase it down to 1
[04:40] <hatch> sec
[04:40] <hatch> well...once you qa/review it
[04:40] <hatch> having separate commits helps remove unused code
[04:40] <hatch> haha
[04:43] <huwshimi> hatch: Code looks good, just qaing
[04:48] <huwshimi> hatch: Looks good. See that wasn't so hard :)
[04:49] <hatch> lol
[04:50] <hatch> and rebased
[04:51] <hatch> huwshimi so once this lands there is the car 'finish styling for scale-up UI' is now unblocked for you
[04:51] <huwshimi> hatch: Nice one. Thanks for sticking with it!
[04:51] <huwshimi> hatch: Yep, thanks.
[04:52] <hatch> it's much better now - good idea with the css, even if you think it's my idea
[04:52] <hatch> :P
[04:52] <huwshimi> hatch: It was!
[04:52] <hatch> lol ooookkkkk
[04:52] <hatch> if it works out at scale I'll take credit then
[04:52] <hatch> up until then...your idea
[04:52] <hatch> lol
[04:52] <huwshimi> haha
[05:12] <hatch> I'm heading out, have a good day huwshimi
[05:12] <hatch> cya
[05:13] <huwshimi> hatch: Night
[06:02] <urulama> huwshimi: hello australia
[06:03] <huwshimi> urulama: Good morning Slovenia
[06:09]  * urulama goes through mails, always fun to see how work moves with the Sun across the globe :D
[06:55] <rogpeppe> urulama, huwshimi: mornin'
[06:55] <huwshimi> rogpeppe: Morning
[06:55] <urulama> morning, rogpeppe
[09:18] <frankban> rogpeppe: morning, how are you doing?
[09:18] <rogpeppe> frankban: hiya
[09:18] <rogpeppe> frankban: good, thanks
[09:18] <rogpeppe> frankban: shall we continue?
[09:20] <frankban> rogpeppe: sure, I'll be in https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gogogo in one minute
[09:34] <rogpeppe> urulama: have you finished reviewing?
[09:34] <urulama> rogpeppe: em, yes, sorry, LGTM
[09:35] <rogpeppe> urulama: could you add the LGTM to the review, please?
[09:35] <frankban> urulama: cool thanks can you add a comment?
[09:35] <rogpeppe> urulama: i've just made the README.md change, BTW
[09:35] <urulama> rogpeppe: it's in the tests as well
[09:35] <rogpeppe> urulama: yup
[09:35] <rogpeppe> urulama: all changed
[09:36] <rogpeppe> urulama: (it was also in the sample bundles under testing/repo
[09:36] <rogpeppe> )
[09:38] <urulama> rogpeppe: anything else needed then the comment on https://github.com/rogpeppe/charm/commit/62a7a846075d080e6a36d0025f7fe6e85cd12144 ?
[09:39] <rogpeppe> urulama: sorry, i don't understand the question?
[09:39]  * urulama is still learning the process
[09:39] <rogpeppe> urulama: ah, no, LGTM is good
[09:39] <rogpeppe> urulama: or :shipit:
[09:40] <urulama> rogpeppe: :shipit", ... 3, 2, 1 ... off it goes ... kaboom ...
[09:41] <rogpeppe> urulama: actually, you shouldn't be the one saying ":shipit:"
[09:41] <rogpeppe> urulama: LGTM or +1
[09:42] <urulama> rogpeppe: after only a week, i'm not sure my "LGTM" counts for much as well ;)
[09:42] <rogpeppe> urulama: :-)
[09:43] <rogpeppe> urulama: we'll get a review from someone on juju-core too
[10:37] <rogpeppe> urulama: we're looking into the existing store code, getting an idea for how it works and how we might need to change it
[10:37] <rogpeppe> urulama: we wondered if you might care to join us
[10:38] <urulama> rogpeppe: sure, not that i think i'll help much :D
[10:38] <urulama> this?
[10:38] <urulama> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/gogogo
[10:39] <urulama> rogpeppe: noone there :D
[10:40] <urulama> rogpeppe: i mean, only empty seats :D
[10:43] <urulama> frankban: http://pastebin.com/2T5Szyd1
[11:30] <rick_h__> morning
[11:37] <jrwren> morning
[12:25] <rick_h__> jrwren: how goes? Did you get the charm tests to run yesterday?
[12:25] <jrwren> I did not.
[12:26] <jrwren> I was going to ask how most folks do it.
[12:26] <jrwren> Lack of local is a real bummer.
[12:26] <jrwren> Do folks just use AWS? or their home openstack?
[12:26] <jrwren> I've not pointed juju at my devstack just yet.
[12:26] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, run it via ec2. juju bootstrap ec2 && make test -e ec2
[12:26] <jrwren> such a bummer. I've been really digging local :)
[12:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: you can expense each month a chunk of time for work related stuff. It's why the startup docs wanted to get credentials unique for work
[12:27] <jrwren> sounds good.
[12:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, local is a game changer for dev workflows
[12:27] <jrwren> I'm more thinking of the speed of execution.
[12:27] <rick_h__> right
[12:29] <urulama> jrwren: frankban said that it took an hour and even more sometimes on a local. so. no that useful :(
[12:29] <jrwren> really?!?
[12:30] <urulama> i can't see why either.
[12:30] <jrwren> i was even considering tinkering with manual
[12:31] <rick_h__> I thought there was some technical limitation. Local doesn't support some of the test cases I thought. It's a bit of a step-child as it doesn't have provider storage/etc
[12:31] <urulama> jrwren: writing manual with automatically bootstraped machines (without add-machine ssh:IP)?
[12:31] <rick_h__> manual is even more step-child heh
[12:31] <jrwren> i don't know. I'm not familiar with juju manual at all.
[12:32] <rick_h__> I used it for the CI setup on rackspace for bookie since rackspace isn't a supported provider
[12:32] <jrwren> oh cool. that is GTK rick_h__ !
[12:32] <rick_h__> it's cool, nice to be able to use the charms
[12:32] <rick_h__> but a pita to manual bring up the machines/etc.
[12:33] <rick_h__> hazmat: wrote a layer over digital oceans api to work with the manual provider which smooths out some edges.
[12:33] <jrwren> i got reasonably good with nova cli at my last gig
[12:33] <rick_h__> so manual provider is cool and useful for those cases, but not something I look to use unless I have to :)
[12:33] <urulama> rick_h__: what if only a switch would be added so that the env is not bootstraped, just used?
[12:34] <rick_h__> urulama: for the charm tests?
[12:34] <urulama> on manual
[12:34] <rick_h__> on manual...I'm not following I guess.
[12:34] <rick_h__> If you don't bootstrap an env,  you don't have state tracking services to do anything?
[12:35] <urulama> rick_h__: the env could already be bootstraped, that was a suggestion
[12:36] <rick_h__> urulama: ok, so it's bootstrapped by something, so you've manually brought up a machine, done the bootstrap step, and now it's in manual mode still. I'm missing the bit that's changed.
[12:36] <jrwren> urulama: you mean run charm tests against already bootstrapped env?
[12:36] <urulama> jrwren: yes
[12:41] <hazmat> manual provider to me is the bees knees ;-)
[12:42] <hazmat> need storage, need networking, need flexibility for the real world.. manual provisioning and placement.. automated of course ;-)
[12:42] <urulama> hazmat: +1
[12:43] <urulama> hazmat: and for development, just fill your laptops and desktops with VMs and pretend to have a cluster with 10+ hosts :D
[12:44] <hazmat> urulama, yup.. i do that with manual provider as well.. https://github.com/kapilt/juju-lxc/blob/master/juju_lxc/add.py#L37
[12:45] <hazmat> urulama, its a bit rough around the edges.. but i can create containers/machines offline on an airplane with it.
[12:45] <jrwren> i saw the post where someone ran different openstack services in containers and at first I said, "WAT?"
[12:45] <hazmat> need upload-tools cause juju for reasons illogical wants to do a full tools lookup on every add-unit/deploy/add-machine.
[12:45] <jrwren> but for dev it makes some good sense
[12:45] <hazmat> jrwren, prod is going that way too
[12:46] <hazmat> jrwren, it also makes sense
[12:46] <jrwren> hazmat: all in the same KVM
[12:46] <hazmat> jrwren, or spread in containers across multiple kvms
[12:46] <jrwren> http://astokes.org/juju-deploy-to-lxc-and-kvm-in-the-local-provider/
[12:46] <hazmat> its just density and portability
[12:46] <jrwren> oh yes, it makes good sense.
[12:46] <hazmat> jrwren, the openstack cloudinstaller does just that containers in kvm
[12:47] <jrwren> running nova-compute and glance that way doesn't make sense to me.
[12:47] <jrwren> O_O
[12:47] <jrwren> it does?
[12:47] <hazmat> jrwren, they switched up since that blog post.. no longer parallel containers and kvms, they nest lxc in kvm now.
[12:47] <hazmat> jrwren, yup
[12:47] <jrwren> doesn't make much sense to me.
[12:48] <jrwren> oh, THAT cloud-installer.
[12:53] <urulama> hazmat: yes, offline is nice ... we made a demo with juju & openfoam charm where emergency response people could create local hpc clusters from their laptops on the site of the flood ... it was really cool :D
[12:55] <urulama> hazmat: used ubuntu live, with preinstalled juju and openfoam charms on a usb stick, just use swithc, use the usb in all of them and reboot ... hpc cluster of the fly :D
[12:56] <hazmat> urulama, nice
[12:58] <jrwren> The thing I don't grok re: charm ftest is why --to 0 for juju-gui?
[13:00] <urulama> jrwren: i am only guessing, but would say that you know that it's already up there so deploy of the charm is quicker
[13:01] <jrwren> if that is the only reason, seems like tests could detect local and not --to 0
[13:01] <urulama> jrwren: just guessing
[13:01] <jrwren> but, I thought same thing, and just tried to hack w/out --to 0 in test and use local, and no go :(
[13:02] <jrwren> and I"m not sure why it failed. Hopefully good things to learn.
[13:02] <urulama> jrwren: these are the errors? http://pastebin.com/2T5Szyd1
[13:09] <frankban> urulama, jrwren: colocating ftests to the bootstrap node is a decision we made months ago, when local provider wasn't supported by Juju (IIRC, but surely it wasn't as fast as it is now with templates). Functional tests needs are implemented so that for each test the GUI is deployed, so switching to colocation resulted in a faster test run (~30mins vs ~120 mins) due to the fact we don't have to wait for machines t
[13:09] <frankban> o be provisioned. At the time, juju-test was also the preferred/suggested test runner to use for charms: it handles bootstrapping and destroying environments. I'd also be +1 on adding the ability to reuse an already bootstrapped environment to it. For those two reasons, it is currently impossible to run ftests on local envs, but that can be fixed in a relatively easy way, given a time slot to do that we never had
[13:09] <frankban>  ;-)
[13:10] <jrwren> thanks for the background frankban
[13:11] <jrwren> urulama: yes, those errors
[13:11] <jrwren> anyway, now I can answer 'yes' to rick_h__.  It runs fine in ec2.
[13:12] <rick_h__> jrwren: woot
[13:12] <rick_h__> jrwren: ok, do you have a branch with any updates to the docs then?
[13:12] <rick_h__> jrwren: and if so put that up for review via lbox and we can work on moving your card across for today
[13:13] <jrwren> i'm not sure how to do this becuase I already pushed :parent on Monday?
[13:14] <jrwren> will lbox let me brach review based on a different revno ?
[13:14] <jrwren> or maybe I can branch from a revno and push that to my own branch for review?
[13:14] <frankban> urulama, jrwren: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-charmers/charms/trusty/juju-gui/trunk/view/head:/HACKING.md#L75
[13:16] <rick_h__> jrwren: right, that's done and gone. However, the idea now is to not push to :parent, but look at updating the docs based on any experience getting the tests ready and to add lbox notes to the docs based on getting lbox installed, working to submit a branch, etc
[13:16] <rick_h__> jrwren: so you'll probably be working on the docs as you go through lbox process and need to update the merge proposal a couple of times
[13:16] <jrwren> frankban: right, i'd love to be able to remove lines 75-77 from that file :)
[13:17] <jrwren> rick_h__: ah! got it.
[13:17] <frankban> jrwren: cool
[13:32] <frankban> rogpeppe: when you are ready, I am in gogogo
[13:32] <rogpeppe> frankban: ok, cool. am just reviewing a branch elsewhere
[13:32] <rogpeppe> frankban: be with you soon
[13:32] <frankban> cool
[13:59] <jrwren> anyone have a good git to bzr rosetta stone?
[14:00] <rick_h__> jrwren: hmm, not sure. What are you trying to do?
[14:01] <mbruzek> I am trying to deploy a bundle and I am getting an error.  Wondering if you guys could help me with the problem.
[14:01] <jrwren> remove the default remote
[14:01] <mbruzek> Running this command: juju quickstart -n nagios-mediawiki-mysql /home/mbruzek/workspace/bundles/nagios/bundle/bundles.yaml
[14:01] <jrwren> so when I push it wont go to the place it was last.
[14:02] <mbruzek> Getting no errors in the console, but the UI gives me the following notification
[14:02] <mbruzek> An error occurred while deploying the bundle: ('No charm metadata @ %s', 'precise/local:precise/mediawiki/metadata.yaml')
[14:03] <mbruzek> I see that the path is an issue, but I have edited the bundle to get a correct path and still not working.
[14:06] <arosales> Hello juju gui folks
[14:06] <arosales> I pushed a bundle last night
[14:06] <arosales> https://code.launchpad.net/~a.rosales/charms/bundles/cf-bundle/bundle
[14:06] <arosales> but I am not seeing it be ingested. I wanted to check here before opening a bug.
[14:07]  * arosales also not seeing https://code.launchpad.net/~maarten-ectors/charms/bundles/storm/bundle in the charm store
[14:14] <rick_h__> arosales: looking
[14:15] <rick_h__> arosales: sorry, take a sec have to get charmtools/ppas on here
[14:15] <rick_h__> arosales: check to make sure they pass proof
[14:16] <jrwren> does lbox infer incorrect branch url on charms?
[14:18] <rick_h__> jrwren: hmm, don't recall. There's a flag to specify.
[14:18] <rick_h__> I think it tries to infer based on the .bzr/locations information so if you haven't pushed it up to your namespace or what not it might not be 100% right
[14:19] <arosales> rick_h__, will do
[14:21] <rick_h__> arosales: the file name needs to be bundles.yaml
[14:21] <rick_h__> (note the s)
[14:21] <jrwren> rick_h__: indeed. a push --remember fixed it
[14:21] <rick_h__> arosales: charm proof will yell about it not being a bundle
[14:21] <rick_h__> arosales: that's the same for the other bundle as well
[14:23] <jcsackett> hatch: didn't see any PRs from you this morning. you get taken care of?
[14:23] <hatch> jcsackett yep landed
[14:23] <hatch> am I the only one who reviews the closed pr's every day? maybe I have a problem...
[14:23] <hatch> lol
[14:26] <jcsackett> hatch: i certainly don't, but that sounds like a good idea.
[14:26]  * rick_h__ changes location to head home from the coffee shop
[14:26] <jcsackett> hatch: did you get a chance to look at my second PR? it has a test failure, but it's spurious--pushed new revs now to force a rebuild.
[14:26] <hatch> I didn't I thought the error was a bonified one for once....oops sorry I'll take a look now
[14:27] <hatch> you can also manually trigger a build without pushing changes by logging into jenkins
[14:30] <hatch> jcsackett just one small comment, firing up for a qa now
[14:32] <arosales> rick_h__, thanks giving that change a try now
[14:33]  * arosales will wait at least 30 minutes
[14:33] <hatch> jcsackett qa issue, commented in pr
[14:34] <jcsackett> hatch: dammit. :p
[14:34] <jcsackett> ok.
[14:34] <jcsackett> thanks.
[14:34] <jcsackett> hatch: i replied to your other comment.
[14:37] <hatch> cool
[14:37] <hatch> wow chrome is such a poor browser compared to safari on every level except the devtools and available plugins
[14:39] <hatch> it's sad really
[14:40] <jcsackett> the dev tools are really nice though.
[14:40] <jcsackett> and the extension community is better.
[14:41] <hatch> yep...well and that safari is only available on osx
[14:41] <hatch> but it's proof that a browser CAN be better
[14:41] <hatch> rick_h__ I don't think seeing this for my watch is a good sign... https://www.evernote.com/shard/s219/sh/afefea06-4715-4a44-ad3c-542d1a6cd5b7/a2b67c51dfeda456142e3ccc022498b3/res/a7400332-a8b5-4510-b42a-ac45805d4243/skitch.png
[14:43] <kadams54> Makyo: just noticed you're working on delete for containers
[14:43] <kadams54> We may want to collaborate, since I have delete for machines
[14:45] <hatch> I'm pretty sure those two are one and the same :) or really really close to it
[14:45] <hatch> heh
[14:45] <kadams54> Yeah, I think they'll end up being pretty much the same
[14:46] <hatch> well don't they make the same call in the env?
[14:46] <hatch> I may be mis-remembering
[14:48] <kadams54> I don't know about the env, but they both fire the same event and the code to remove the token itself will be 99% the same.
[14:50] <hatch> jujugui call in 10
[14:51] <kadams54> Yeah, containers and machines are the same function call in the env
[14:51] <kadams54> So pretty much dupe cards
[14:58] <Makyo> kadams54, yeah, I noticed that yesterday, we'll have to chat as to the best path forward.  Didn't get too far with that appointment
[14:59] <Makyo> jujugui call in 1
[14:59] <rick_h__> what he said ^
[14:59] <rick_h__> hmm, I feel alone, no one else there?
[14:59] <rick_h__> or does chrome hate me?
[14:59] <rick_h__> jrwren: rogpeppe frankban ^
[15:00] <rick_h__> bac: kadams54 ^
[15:00] <rogpeppe> uru-afk: standup...
[15:01] <rick_h__> jrwren: kadams54 bac starting without you then
[15:02] <kadams54> joining
[15:11] <Makyo> kadams54, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gtwlcpt2ysfo6qtjdgghqrjfbaa
[15:13] <hatch> jcsackett ping when you get that up and I'll take a look again
[15:13] <hatch> and someone is cooking ribs.......
[15:13] <hatch> concentration gone....
[15:14] <jcsackett> hatch: just a moment. waiting for test run to finish.
[15:15] <jrwren> so... i have two factor on my personal google account too... :)  I'll have to figure out an app specific PW for google
[15:16] <hatch> rick_h__ so in the scale-up UI, if the user chooses to scale up with automatically place, does that mean we need to go and create machines and place the units on them? Or just put them in unplaced and let it auto place on commit?
[15:18] <hatch> I'm guessing create machines and place
[15:18] <hatch> else it's the same as manually place but with setting the constraints
[15:22] <rick_h__> hatch: heh, that went back and forth
[15:23] <rick_h__> at one point, they wanted that to still take you to machine view, but with the machines populated with the units
[15:23] <rick_h__> hatch: so yea, it's got to be in the machine regardless
[15:23] <rick_h__> my debate was around if we force users through machine view in that case
[15:23] <hatch> well if they manually place we can open the machine view on submit
[15:23] <hatch> if they want to auto place we can probably skip that
[15:23] <jrwren> huh, and the LP/google 2-factor integration is different than default google 2-factor, so I still have to user personal acct.
[15:24] <rick_h__> hatch: right, that's what I was arguing for
[15:24] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea, it defers to our own auth system
[15:24] <hatch> rick_h__ then that is what we will do :)
[15:24] <rick_h__> :)
[15:26] <hatch> oh look at that, unplaced units don't show up in the machine view
[15:26] <hatch> :/
[15:27] <hatch> they have to be committed first then they show up in both placed and unplaced
[15:27] <rick_h__> you're not making sense so I'm going to stop listening lalalalalala
[15:28] <jrwren> i'm gonna head for an early lunch right now, unless you are read for next step call, rick_h__ ?
[15:28] <hatch> that's probably for the best rick_h__ ....
[15:29] <rick_h__> jrwren: have a good lunch, commenting on your MP right now and can pick up after food
[15:34] <hatch> rick_h__ ok now this branch is blocked until the  add units backend is fixed... http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/:flags:/mv/ deploy mysql, switch to machine view, use mass scale up UI and add 5 units (see it added into the ecs but no unplaced shows up in the list)
[15:36] <rick_h__> hatch: ok, I see that the mass scale up thing is borked. That's not this card though, that's outside of the inspector.
[15:36] <rick_h__> hatch: I'm confused here
[15:36] <hatch> the same methods that the inspector needs to call is the same methods that calls
[15:37] <jcsackett> hatch: finally up. phantomjs/mocha is getting crashier for me.
[15:37] <rick_h__> hatch: ok, so sounds like this card is blocked, we need a new one for the bug (I don't see a card for it on the board) and that card needs to get worked on first?
[15:37] <hatch> yes we need to get the newly created units to show up in the unplaced column
[15:37] <hatch> so they can actually be placed
[15:37] <rick_h__> hatch: ok
[15:38] <hatch> I can create a card, unsched? or...
[15:38] <rick_h__> hatch: yes
[15:38] <rick_h__> hatch: create a card, mark it unsched as it's a bug in stuff that used to work that's failing now and we need to get updated
[15:39] <hatch> I'm guessing that this bug has existed for some time...ever since we added the ecs stuff
[15:39] <rick_h__> hatch: then we fail at noticing, filing a bug/follow up cards on it :(
[15:40] <hatch> friday card for selenium tests comin riiiiight up
[15:40] <hatch> :)
[15:41] <hatch> jcsackett ok cool will qa again
[15:47] <hatch> jcsackett so I feel like the test change does not cover all of the cases in which this bug existed....
[15:47] <hatch> I see three places the event payload was changed but only one test updated
[15:48] <jcsackett> hatch: wasn't sure testing was actually necessary; that an individual pane goes away when it receives the appropriate null is tested, and that metadata gets put in the right spot is tested.
[15:48] <jcsackett> i can add tests for this specific coverage if you like, though.
[15:48] <hatch> jcsackett well I mean that the proper state objects are fired
[15:48] <jcsackett> hatch: fair; i'll update.
[15:49] <hatch> cool thanks
[15:51] <hatch> jcsackett +1'd with those tests
[15:51] <jcsackett> hatch: cool.
[15:52] <jcsackett> thanks for the review. :)
[15:52] <hatch> unfortunately you're not quite out in the clear just yet :)
[15:54] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: lazyPower do you guys have any other charmworldlib clients than charmtools?
[15:55] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: is there an api doc or something we can generate for the charmstore api?
[15:55] <marcoceppi> rick_h__: yes
[15:55] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: can you shoot me a list or any hints on them? I need to document the clients we're effecting with the v4 api work
[15:57] <marcoceppi> Amulet, charmtools, are the two biggest. There's maybe 3-8 more smaller tools built around that
[15:57] <marcoceppi> I'll email you a list
[15:57] <rick_h__> marcoceppi: <3 ty much
[16:01] <rick_h__> bac: regatta day across the wifi beam?
[16:02] <rick_h__> bac: oh, right NC. microwave over the wifi?
[16:06] <rick_h__> abentley: does the reporting site use charmworldlib/charmworld api? Or is it only talking to the charmstore api?
[16:06] <abentley> rick_h__: otp
[16:07] <rick_h__> abentley: rgr, ty
[16:10] <abentley> rick_h__: We do use the charmworld API.  We use it to get a list of all charms.  I think that is all we use it for.
[16:10] <rick_h__> abentley: ok thanks
[16:14] <rick_h__> luca__: I thought we agreed in vegas that we were only doing one level of nesting.
[16:14] <luca__> rick_h__: that’s fine with me
[16:14] <rick_h__> luca__: that doing more thatn that broke down the UX a bit and was a rare thing
[16:15] <rick_h__> luca__: at that point we'd encourage using the cli to manage that special case
[16:15] <luca__> rick_h__: I don’t mind, it’s super rare so I’m not fused :)
[16:15] <rick_h__> luca__: ok cool.
[16:16] <rick_h__> luca__: I just wanted to make sure you also remember this conversation before I put it down in stone in the bug :)
[16:17]  * rick_h__ goes to grab some food stuffs
[16:17] <luca__> rick_h__: that’s all good, I knew we made a decision but I didn’t have it documented anywhere
[16:32] <kadams54> rick_h__: got a question about this change-version.svg…
[16:33] <rick_h__> kadams54: what's up?
[16:33] <kadams54> Is this for the Change version link in the inspector?
[16:33] <kadams54> Currently a yellow dot icon?
[16:33] <rick_h__> kadams54: yes, it's an icon for that text
[16:36] <kadams54> rick_h__: It's an SVG; the original is a PNG. It looks like the PNGs get all sprited up. Should I convert it to PNG, or is this part of a transition to SVGs?
[16:36] <rick_h__> kadams54: yes, I'd add the svg to our assets directory, but I think a png will work peachy there
[16:36] <kadams54> OK
[16:39] <kadams54> rick_h__: OK, this is what I was afraid of… the icon doesn't work on the dark background of the inspector. It seems like it was made for a light background?
[16:39] <rick_h__> kadams54: looking for the wireframes/images of the full thing sec
[16:40] <rick_h__> kadams54: so looking at https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1Vmowb25PejhJOTg
[16:41] <kadams54> Yup
[16:41] <rick_h__> the icon is a white one for the dark background, you're right that this icon doesn't match that up at all
[16:41] <rick_h__> so we should push back on UX/spencer.
[16:41]  * rick_h__ looks for email thread
[16:42] <kadams54> The icon also looks slightly different from the one in the visuals here
[16:43] <rick_h__> kadams54: k, replied to the thread from spencer
[16:43] <rick_h__> kadams54: will watch for replies
[16:43] <rick_h__> kadams54: yea, I wasn't worried about that, they had some change of heart/etc.
[16:44] <rick_h__> but the icon being a dark icon makes it darn hard to be valid
[16:44]  * rogpeppe is done for the day
[16:44] <rogpeppe> g'night all
[16:44] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: hey, night.
[16:44] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: if you get a chance, I ping'd earlier about the api for the charmstore
[16:44] <rick_h__> rogpeppe: if you can take a peek at something for the morning I'd appreciate it so I can get these notes together for gustavo
[16:49] <hatch> kadams54 so it looks like you were the one who added the create machine stuff in machine view panel https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/widgets/machine-view-panel.js#L449 is there a reason why you put this here instead of in the ecs? I feel like it should be in the ecs so I'm looking for input
[16:53] <kadams54> hatch: feel free to adjust separation of concern as you see fit.
[16:54] <hatch> ok sounds good - I have to add a similar functionality to the units and it feels like it should be in the ecs so the consumer doesn't need to care about extra steps
[16:54] <hatch> any thoughts?
[16:54] <kadams54> hatch: I suspect when much of this was setup ECS was also under heavy development by you and Makyo. It could probably use some tweaking as things settle in.
[16:56] <kadams54> hatch: my only thought is that it doesn't look like there's much to these methods as it is. There's a call to db.machines.addGhost that might be able to move over to the ECS side, but it pretty quickly this.get('env').addMachines().
[16:57] <hatch> no it's not much at all, but anyone who calls add_machine has to know to also call these other methods which is not clear
[16:57] <kadams54> hatch: it looks like you could eliminate the _createMachine method and just have _handleCreateMachine call into the ECS directly.
[16:57] <hatch> exactly
[16:57] <kadams54> But we'll still need the placeUnit call on line 452, right?
[16:58] <kadams54> separate from the createMachine call
[17:00] <kadams54> rick_h__: I edited the SVG directly to flip to a white version of the icon: http://cl.ly/image/350E3u470Q2X
[17:01] <kadams54> Still looks off - needs to be a little beefier.
[17:01] <kadams54> We'll see what Spencer replies with.
[17:01] <rick_h__> kadams54: cool
[17:07] <rick_h__> kadams54: I'm going to move that card back then
[17:07] <kadams54> OK, I was just getting ready to mark it as blocked and move it to tracking :-)
[17:07] <rick_h__> jcsackett: did you get to peek at huw's stuff? Or kadams54 could you look then?
[17:07] <kadams54> rick_h__: sure, I can look at them.
[17:08] <hatch> kadams54 sorry I linked you the wrong line :) I meant moving this line into the ecs https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/blob/develop/app/widgets/machine-view-panel.js#L524
[17:08] <hatch> oopsssss
[17:08] <hatch> I think the comments still hold true :)
[17:08] <kadams54> Yeah, that's fine
[17:08] <rick_h__> thanks kadams54
[17:11] <jrwren> https://twitter.com/JayRWren/status/486920538485321728
[17:18] <hatch> bad link
[17:19] <hatch> you tweet a lot
[17:19] <hatch> :)
[17:20] <hatch> followed
[17:21] <jrwren> i had bad homonym in that tweet. Deleted it
[17:22] <jrwren> https://twitter.com/JayRWren/status/486923301647052801
[17:25] <hatch> haha
[17:26] <hatch> ahh the internet
[17:28] <hatch> jrwren so do you live in a country-like area?
[17:29] <frankban> done for today, have a great week all!
[17:29] <rick_h__> have fun frankban!
[17:29] <jrwren> hatch: no, that is 2.5 miles from downtown Ann Arbor. A city of 100,000+
[17:30] <hatch> oh crazy
[17:56] <rick_h__> jrwren: back from lunch? Did you get the feedback from the merge proposal then?
[17:56] <rick_h__> kadams54: thanks for looking at that.
[17:58] <jrwren> yes back.
[17:58] <jrwren> got the feedback. trying to document whatever I just did.
[17:58] <rick_h__> ok cool
[17:58] <rick_h__> thanks
[17:59] <jrwren> if you get time, we can talk next too.
[17:59] <rick_h__> jrwren: ok, have a call in 1min and will ping after that
[18:00] <hatch> rick_h__ just relocating will be in the room shortly
[18:00] <rick_h__> hatch: rgr
[18:03] <mbruzek> Hey guys I am trying to deploy a bundle with local charms.  No errors in the console, but seeing the error in the GUI. An error occurred while deploying the bundle: ('No charm metadata @ %s', 'precise/local:precise/mediawiki/metadata.yaml')
[18:03] <rick_h__> it doesn't support local charms
[18:04] <rick_h__> you have to use just the deployer and it has some limitations
[18:05] <mbruzek> thanks for responding rick_h__ I see you are in meeting.  I need to use local charms on power, because of the limited network.
[18:05] <mbruzek> rick_h__, The command I am using is juju quickstart -n nagios-mediawiki-mysql /home/mbruzek/workspace/bundles/nagios/bundle/bundles.yaml
[18:05] <mbruzek> So that is not supported?
[18:05] <rick_h__> correct
[18:05] <rick_h__> that's not supported
[18:09] <jrwren> what is the difference between charms/juju-gui and ~juju-gui/charms/trusty/juju-gui/trunk ?
[18:09] <rick_h__> mbruzek: there's an issue with local charms support over the api via the gui because of the way the versioning works and a juju-core bug we hit up against
[18:11] <rick_h__> jrwren: ready to chat when you are, meet in the standup hangout
[18:12] <jrwren> ready
[18:12] <rick_h__> jrwren: hmm, I don't think there is a juju-gui owned charm is there? /me goes to check.
[18:12] <mbruzek> rick_h__, I don't doubt it, just trying to figure out what the equivalent juju-deployer
[18:12] <mbruzek> command
[18:15] <mbruzek> Looks like juju-deployer -c ../../bundles/nagios/bundle/bundles.yaml is working
[18:24] <tvansteenburgh> hey guys, is there a way to query the charmworld api for "all bundles that contain charm X"?
[18:26] <rick_h__> tvansteenburgh: no, it's one of the calls we're adding to the new api as it's needed
[18:26] <rick_h__> tvansteenburgh: the charm names are indexed so you can try to do a search for bundle:mongodb
[18:27] <rick_h__> and it should find bundles with a mongodb charm in it, but it's not able to find bundles with cs:trusty/mongodb in it
[18:27] <tvansteenburgh> ah, ok, that'lll probably suffice for now, thanks rick_h__!
[18:46] <jrwren> so... how do I delete a review?  how might I update one? I'm used to reviewboard.
[18:47] <rick_h__> jrwren: using reitveld you can lbox propose again
[18:47] <rick_h__> it should update the existing merge proposal
[18:52] <jrwren> ok.
[18:52] <jrwren> how would I squash commits?
[18:52] <jrwren> or does bzr kinda of handle that when merging?
[18:53] <rick_h__> jrwren: yea bzr does that on merging. You get to assign a new single commit message
[18:53] <jrwren> that is what threw me.
[18:53] <jrwren> its been at least 4yrs since I used much bzr
[18:54] <rick_h__> hah, welcome to a dual vcs world
[18:54] <rick_h__> though you're here at a good time when there are at least two
[18:56] <jrwren> 2 is less than 3 :)
[19:05] <jrwren> !np
[19:13] <jrwren> is there a charmstore charm? :)
[19:14] <rick_h__> jrwren: nope, but it's on the todo list for the charmstore work
[19:24] <jcastro> hatch, FYI for your charm: https://nodesource.com/blog/chris-lea-joins-forces-with-nodesource
[19:26] <rick_h__> ah crap, this is a sad day
[19:26] <hatch> jcastro what the heck....
[19:26] <rick_h__> we'll have to get IS to allow us to do a manual repo now
[19:26] <rick_h__> sudo bash -
[19:27] <rick_h__> when you just don't give a flying poo
[19:27] <hatch> yeah....
[19:27] <jrwren> sudo -i ?
[19:27] <jrwren> why was that ppa so important?
[19:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: because it was the only way to get recent nodejs in a stable way
[19:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: the whole company's JS devs rely on that one
[19:28] <rick_h__> jrwren: and because it's a PPA it goes through LP build farms and it 'less evil' than most things
[19:28] <rick_h__> npm/etc don't support older revisions for long, you have to update and LTS updates are so out of date at release time it's sad
[19:28] <jrwren> trusty ships 0.10.25... isn't that new enough for almost everything?
[19:29] <kadams54> suck
[19:29] <jrwren> as for precise... oh well.
[19:29] <kadams54> rick_h__: was reading through some older e-mail threads; do you know of any card to make autoselect the first machine and container when rendering machine view?
[19:29] <hatch> kadams54 huw did that
[19:30] <rick_h__> kadams54: huw finished it
[19:30] <kadams54> Oh, that's why I'm not finding it in backlog or on deck.
[19:30] <kadams54> Never mind.
[19:30] <rick_h__> :)
[19:30] <kadams54> Did that land yet?
[19:30] <hatch> yop
[19:30] <rick_h__> should be on comingsoon
[19:31]  * rick_h__ tests it out
[19:31] <kadams54> Yes
[19:31] <kadams54> OK, I realized what my problem was.
[19:31] <kadams54> I had no machines, so there was nothing to autoselect
[19:31] <rick_h__> yea, working here
[19:31] <rick_h__> right
[19:31] <kadams54> But we still display the "Add container" link
[19:31] <rick_h__> you have to deploy a bundle first
[19:31] <kadams54> Or just create an empty machine.
[19:32] <kadams54> What do we want to do with that link when there's no machines?
[19:32] <rick_h__> kadams54: we're working with UX on the empty story
[19:33] <rick_h__> kadams54: and they're getting some mockups so I'd not worry about it atm
[19:33] <kadams54> k
[19:34] <kadams54> rick_h__, hatch: Another question: are unplaced units supposed to be deployed when I click on the Deploy button?
[19:34] <rick_h__> kadams54: no
[19:34] <rick_h__> kadams54: that might be related to stuff hatch is looking at? Not sure
[19:35] <hatch> kadams54 this is actually a problem I'm running into right now too
[19:35] <kadams54> rick_h__, hatch: I think that might be really tricky. They get added to the ECS because they're ghosted services in service view, so we want them to deploy in that context.
[19:35] <hatch> yeah exactly
[19:35] <kadams54> But in machine view, we don't want them to deploy until the user actually places them.
[19:36] <rick_h__> hatch: kadams54 so we need to throw an error in the deployment summary when there are unplaced units remaining
[19:36] <rick_h__> and disable the confirm/deploy button
[19:36] <kadams54> Even when in service view?
[19:36] <rick_h__> we'll have more cases like this when we get to things that aren't allowed to happen, unresolved conflicts in config, etc
[19:36] <kadams54> That's going to throw a wrench in the whole drag, drop, deploy flow.
[19:36] <rick_h__> kadams54: well this gets to the thing I thought hatch was working on. If you just deploy 5 units and don't pick to manual place, they should be auto placed on machines
[19:37] <rick_h__> and not as unplaced units
[19:37] <kadams54> Well basically that's what happens right now. They get autoplaced.
[19:37] <rick_h__> but it's part of the debate going on around having to go through machine view to do a deploy at all
[19:37] <rick_h__> kadams54: right, but they shold show up that way in MV
[19:37] <rick_h__> so the user sees what's up
[19:37] <hatch> yeah
[19:38] <kadams54> As already placed?
[19:39] <rick_h__> kadams54: we need to talk to luca about it tomorrow. I know we've talked about it both ways
[19:39] <rick_h__> 1) as already placed. The default is one unit per machine, so create those machines, put those units in it, and wait for the user to deploy
[19:39] <rick_h__> this is needed for aws anyway since you can't manual place
[19:40] <rick_h__> 2) even on one unit per machine, auto create the machines, show the units, but allow them to unplace/remove and manual place. When they hit deploy from service view, they get sent to machine view.
[19:40] <rick_h__> but not sure how that makes things any easier/nicer
[19:43] <hatch> rick_h__ mind scheduling that call after I start tomorrow?
[19:43] <hatch> I can also join a little early if needed
[19:44] <rick_h__> hatch: sure thing, I'll bug them about it :)
[19:44] <rick_h__> Makyo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1329149 is fix committed right?
[19:44] <_mup_> Bug #1329149: Destroying a service does not use ecs <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329149>
[19:44] <hatch> committed right
[19:44] <rick_h__> yay for bug triage day, abentley's motivated me to go do it.
[19:46] <Makyo> rick_h__, yep
[19:49] <rick_h__> thanks for the confirmation
[19:59] <rick_h__> I think bac programmed an irc bot while he was away :P
[20:00]  * rick_h__ runs away, have a good night all
[20:23] <jcsackett> kadams54: saw you reviewed huw's branch. thanks--i got sidetracked hunting down QA errors and stuff in my branch and completely forgot about his.
[20:23] <kadams54> jcsackett: no problem.
[20:28] <hatch> jcsackett there were more qa issues?
[20:29] <hatch> did I do a poor job reviewing?
[20:29] <jcsackett> hatch: no, i meant after having done those huw's branch slipped my mind. just now i went to update the kanban board and realized my goof.
[20:29] <jcsackett> but kadams54 saved the day.
[20:29] <hatch> ohhh ok :)
[21:05] <jcsackett> jujugui: anyone have an actual environment with an up to date version of the develop branch for the gui? i need to verify something.
[21:05] <hatch> jcsackett I can spin one up...I'm guessing yours is running?
[21:06] <jcsackett> hatch: mine is running on an lxc env. i just switched it from one branch back to develop, so it got an up to date develop, and now the buggy behavior is gone.
[21:06] <jcsackett> i'm not sure if i've got a screwy thing going on, or what.
[21:06] <hatch> fire one up on amazon?
[21:06] <jcsackett> or if it's something only presents sporadically and i'm just getting lucky all of a sudden.
[21:06] <hatch> seems like you have lots of lxc issues :)
[21:06] <jcsackett> hatch: i have lxc issues for dev.
[21:07] <jcsackett> juju running an lxc env is golden--and earlier i observed what you described in LXC.
[21:07] <jcsackett> but fair enough, i'll spin up an ec2 env.
[21:07] <hatch> I mean, I can spin one up too if you need
[21:07] <hatch> just takes some time
[21:08] <jcsackett> hatch: no need. if no one has one just running for some reason, it's no faster than me spinning up an ec2.
[21:17] <hatch> cool
[21:52] <jrwren> i'm outtie.  chat ya'll tomorrow.
[21:59] <hatch> cya jrwren
[23:00] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:12] <hatch> morning huwshimi
[23:12] <huwshimi> hatch: Hey
[23:12] <hatch> how goes the battle?
[23:43] <huwshimi> Not bad, yourself?
[23:53] <rick_h__> morning huwshimi
[23:54] <huwshimi> rick_h__: Hey


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[00:42] <skaet> cjwatson, ev - tried to download wubi, and do a CD test, and am seeing: "End-of-central-directory signature not found."  Should wubi be working?  or are we still missing some uploads - status of new against the wubi task of the bug is ambiguous.
[00:46] <slangasek> that error points to a failure to unpack a zip file
[00:46] <slangasek> not sure how that related to wubi, however
[01:25] <skaet> slangasek,  was trying to download wubi when i got it... :P
[01:35] <slangasek> skaet: downloading it onto windows?
[01:43] <skaet> slangasek,   was downloading it in ubuntu,   but am having troubles getting to it, to try to download from web pages on windows too now.   sigh.  something definitely needs some clean up.
[01:48] <skaet> slangasek,  ok, am able to the wubi 193 and have it downloaded from windows.
[01:49] <skaet> pulling down a new version of maverick, since that's the only option right now on the external web page.
[01:53] <skaet> slangasek, what should be the path to wubi from 11.04 beta?
[01:53] <skaet> daily at any rate...
[02:01] <slangasek> skaet: I have never used wubi, I couldn't tell you :/
[02:02] <skaet> slangasek,  thanks.   suspect getting wubi cleaned up needs to be a focus this week, rather than waiting to beta.
[02:02] <skaet> beta 2 that is.
[09:31] <cjwatson> skaet_afk: Wubi wasn't expected to work until *today's* CD, not yesterday's, since it needed Evan to rebuild the Wubi binary
[09:32] <cjwatson> skaet_afk: I'm going to be doing a matrix of Wubi install and upgrade tests this week; some SRUs have been needed there for a while as well, and this is a good opportunity
[09:53] <jibel> cjwatson, let me know when wubi's ready for testing.
[09:54] <jibel> cjwatson, I'll help to verify upgrade and install
[09:54] <cjwatson> I need to do the first pass myself
[10:50]  * Mez doffs hat.
[10:52] <Mez> I know DebianImportFreeze was a LONG time ago - but I've just noticed a fairly big broken on Natty - that of mysql-gui-tools (FTBFS, and fails to install) - I'm attempting a rebuild locally now... assuming it works (which it should) any chance of an exception for a re-import... otherwise it's going to break most everyone at my work from working without adding another PPA :)
[10:53] <Laney> you want to sync 2.2?
[10:53] <Mez> yeah
[10:53] <Laney> bugfixes don't require freeze exceptions :-)
[10:53] <Laney> (yet)
[10:54] <Laney> so yeah, just request it as normal
[10:54] <Mez> Laney: ah :) cool - lol - Just versions prior to the debian version with bumps then?
[10:55] <Laney> It just depends on whether the new version introduces features or is bug-fix only. Doesn't matter where the bug fixes come from
[10:58]  * Mez tries to remember how to do a sync request
[11:08] <soren> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule has two BetaFreezes... Is that intentional?
[11:09] <Mez> beta 1 beta2?
[11:12] <soren> Mez: Ah, yes, that's probably it.
[13:34] <skaet> cjwatson,  that would explain it.   thanks.   ok,  will be on the lookout for the matrix of combinations.
[13:37] <skaet> cjwatson,  one of the problems I encountered is that something's wrong on maverick as well, it appears.   I had a machine with a 10.10 release WUBI install, that I booted up again to try things.   Figured I"d upgrade first to latest before moving to 11.04beta.   Turns out the reboot after upgraded didn't work, and wouldn't let me back into Ubuntu, post upgrade,  so somethings wrong there.   I'll be looking up bugs
[13:37] <skaet> and see if its a known issue later today.     just wanted you aware though there seems to be something wrong there as well.  :P
[13:38] <skaet> jibel,  ^^  thank you for the extra testing on this.   Looking forward to seeing the results.
[13:39] <cjwatson> skaet: yes, I said that above :-)
[13:39] <cjwatson> "some SRUs have been needed there for a while as well, and this is a good opportunity"
[13:40] <cjwatson> it's basically the same class of problem
[13:40] <cjwatson> however, currently working on gfxboot problems
[13:42] <skaet> cjwatson,  :)  as long as you're aware of it, then that's what I wanted to make sure of.


[00:35] <snadge> anyone else using fglrx in here?
[00:36] <snadge> i'm able to get it to work by force compiling it with gcc 4.9 .. i have a patch for it.. otherwise with default (5.2) it just locks up on boot
[00:38] <snadge> i fail at launchpad though.. trying to find if someone has already reported it
[00:53] <elhoir> compiling fglrx??
[00:53] <elhoir> its closed-source!
[07:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:05] <jeffrey> hi
[09:06] <jeffrey> hi bluefoxicy
[09:07] <jeffrey> win will ubuntu 16.4 be out
[09:09] <lordievader> jeffrey: Month 4, year 2016. Version tells you ;)
[09:10] <jeffrey> ok
[09:10] <jeffrey> can you install mac os on ubuntu
[09:11] <lordievader> What?
[09:12] <jeffrey> can you install mac osx on ubuntu
[09:13] <lordievader> That question doesn't make any sense. Both are operating systems. Operating systems run on hardware not on another operating system.
[09:14] <jeffrey> ok  dose mac osx a ubuntu run on the same file system
[09:14] <jeffrey> like seting up
[09:15] <lordievader> No, Mac uses HFS or something. Linux usually runs on ext-filesystems.
[09:15] <jeffrey> ok is there a way that you can convert it in to a HFS
[09:16] <lordievader> jeffrey: What are you trying to do?
[09:17] <jeffrey> ok i trying to install mac osx on my computer
[09:17] <lordievader> So install Mac OSX. This has nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[09:18] <jeffrey> were can i get  aHFS AT TO REFORMAT MY DRIVER IN TO A hfs FORMAT
[09:18] <lordievader> jeffrey: Let me guess you have a regular PC?
[09:18] <jeffrey> YES
[09:19] <lordievader> The easiest is to buy a Mac. The other option is Hackintosh <- probably not worth your time.
[09:19] <jeffrey> I CAN RUN WINDOWS ON IT AN UBUNTU ON IT
[09:19] <lordievader> jeffrey: Please stop the caps lock.
[09:19] <jeffrey> sorry
[09:20] <jeffrey> were can i get hfs  to reformat my hard driver
[09:20] <jeffrey> in to hfs
[09:20] <lordievader> jeffrey: http://www.hackintosh.com/
[09:22] <jeffrey> ok i have a emachines t3508 from 2006
[09:23] <jeffrey> that link you give do they have a chat room to ask about it
[09:24] <lordievader> No idea. I know relatively little about Macs.
[09:24] <jeffrey> thanks
[10:39] <taneli> elhoir, is this no good for you: http://llvm.org/apt/ ? seems to have 3.7 for 15.04
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:25] <freeroute> !15.10
[16:26] <freeroute> !15.10 when?
[16:27] <freeroute> it's ok ubottu, I found it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:28] <Daekdroom> You were trying to use !schedule, freeroute
[16:29] <Daekdroom> But the link is also available on /topic
[16:29] <freeroute> ah thanks
[16:29] <freeroute> yep, true
[16:29] <freeroute> would you guys recommend me to immediately switch to 15.10 once it comes out, or do I want to wait a couple of days / weeks after FinalRelease?
[16:30] <tsimonq2> freeroute: It should be stable right away
[16:30] <tsimonq2> freeroute: And better then than later
[16:32] <freeroute> tsimonq2: I see. Will the other flavors also be available at the date of FinalRelease?
[16:33] <tsimonq2> freeroute: All flavors, yes
[16:33] <freeroute> awesome, can't wait :D
[16:33] <tsimonq2> freeroute: but only the official flavors are guaranteed
[16:34] <freeroute> yeah, like Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Kubuntu right?
[16:34] <tsimonq2> freeroute: so not Linux Mint or Elementary OS, or any other distro that is based off of Ubuntu
[16:34] <tsimonq2> but yes
[16:34] <freeroute> right, Mint and eOS do some strange stuff.
[16:35] <tsimonq2> freeroute: yeah, the official flavors are listed here, and all come out at the same time: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFlavors
[16:36] <freeroute> I really do hope tmux 2.0+ will get into the repos.
[16:36] <freeroute> that was pretty much my only pet peeve with earlier releases
[16:36] <tsimonq2> freeroute: ahh yes I use tmux every day
[16:36] <freeroute> (with tmux 2 you can use tmux-resurrect, an essential tool IMO)
[16:38] <tsimonq2> freeroute: what is that?
[16:38] <freeroute> tsimonq2: it can save and restore your tmux sessions - https://github.com/tmux-plugins/tmux-resurrect
[16:39] <tsimonq2> ohh wow
[16:39] <tsimonq2> cool
[16:39] <freeroute> :)
[16:39] <tsimonq2> well, gotta go
[16:39] <tsimonq2> have a nice day, freeroute
[16:39] <freeroute> thanks for the info, you too :)


[01:56] <ub3rst4r> so... does the featured project change daily?
[01:56] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: Yes.
[01:57] <ub3rst4r> cool... but how come little registry cleaner isnt listed underneath anymore?
[01:57] <wgrant> It is selected automatically from the list below it.
[01:57] <wgrant> While it's the big featured project, it won't be shown again in the list.
[01:58] <ub3rst4r> oic
[01:58] <DBO> just curious but how are the projects listed under the featured project selected?
[01:58] <ub3rst4r> does launchpad have a job board?
[01:58] <wgrant> DBO: The mystical admins choose them.
[01:59] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: for projects to advertise for tasks that need doing?
[01:59] <DBO> awww you guys... loving up on GNOME Do :P
[01:59] <ub3rst4r> dbo u need to be king like me
[01:59] <ub3rst4r> wgrant ya
[01:59] <wgrant> ub3rst4r: No, sadly.
[02:00] <ub3rst4r> poop :(
[02:00] <DBO> ub3rst4r, you write Little Registry Cleaner?
[02:00] <ub3rst4r> dbo yep
[02:00] <DBO> ah, GNOME Do has been in that featured spot several times, we have had our days as king :P
[02:01] <wgrant> The selection algorithm is, um, basic.
[02:02] <DBO> hmmmm
[02:02]  * DBO goes to check activity on Little Registry Cleaner for the best week
[02:02] <wgrant> Not quite.
[02:03] <DBO> well its not commits per hour or something like that
[02:03] <DBO> gotta be something like page visits
[02:03] <wgrant> You're thinking far too complicated.
[02:04] <DBO> random?
[02:04] <DBO> wait wait wait
[02:04] <wgrant>         top_project = self._get_day_of_year() % len(self.featured_projects)
[02:05] <DBO> haha
[02:05] <DBO> thats awesome
[02:05] <DBO> wgrant, you just made my day
[08:02] <glen> i need some kind of help/guide with translations. i uploaded fi.po, nl.po yesterday, they are still in needs review, and with day before yesterday timestamp:  JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS
[08:02] <glen> https://translations.launchpad.net/eventum/+imports
[08:03] <glen> and why some other like pt_BR.po have failed status. i just told it to use source from bzr, ie import from branch
[10:06] <rodrigo_> hi
[10:06] <rodrigo_> seems some breakage still persists with branches -> http://imagebin.org/70708 <- this is when approving a branch
[13:32] <apw> is it possible to get a personal ppa renamed or deleted?  i named one with a specific name before i realised it wasn't easy to change the names
[13:32] <apw> i am happy to lose the thing if delete is the only way
[13:32] <bigjools> do you want to rename the PPA itself or the account?
[13:34] <apw> bigjools, the ppa itself, as in the shortname that appears in the urls
[13:34] <apw> i now just use colors for the names so i can reuse them, but i have one which has a silly name with jaunty in ot
[13:34] <bigjools> okay, can you file a question on Soyuz please and someone can take a look
[13:34] <apw> bigjools, thanks
[13:34] <bigjools> welcome
[15:12] <dreamcat4> hi
[15:13] <dreamcat4> when will this be available? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/456525
[15:20] <Ursinha> dreamcat4, it is already, if it's fix released then it's on production
[15:21] <dreamcat4> Ursinha: so launchpad 3.1.10 is running on launchpad.net ? Cool
[15:21] <Ursinha> dreamcat4, but afaik it regards a script
[15:21] <Ursinha> dreamcat4, yes, since yesterday ~10h30 utc
[15:22] <dreamcat4> Ursinha: allright, thanks !
[15:22] <dreamcat4> (bye)
[15:22] <Ursinha> dreamcat4, no problem :)
[15:53] <kamusin> aloha
[15:54] <kamusin> is there any problem with launchpad servers? I try to fill a new report and show me a oops error (timeout)
[16:44] <Goundy> hi
[16:45] <julio> hi there
[16:45] <Goundy> Is there any plans for projects being able to host a basic wiki on launchpad ?
[16:45] <julio> can anyone tell me if is possible to change my launchpad mail account?
[16:46] <julio> just found it... nevermind
[16:47] <Meths> julio: Where is the option?
[16:48] <julio> Meths: clic on your user name on the upper right corner
[16:48] <Meths> Oh, nevermind, right there next to the email address :)
[17:04] <gmb> Goundy: It's something we'd really like to do but we have no plans at the moment for when to do it. It's very high on the list of requested features, though.
[17:08] <esr> gmb: There is a #forgeplucker channel now.  We've got a dev with a task to populate the Launchpad tracker with sample bugs.  Join us any ttime, we've about got the decks cleared for you to write the Launchpad handler class.
[17:09] <gmb> esr: Excellent, I'll drop in in the next few days (about to hit EoD now). Thanks for letting me know.
[17:09] <esr> gmb: Have fun.
[17:15] <Goundy> gmb thank you for the hint :)
[17:29] <falktx> hi there
[17:30] <falktx> I have a question
[17:30] <falktx> some people have built powerpc packages in their's PPA
[17:30] <falktx> how can I build for powerpc too?
[17:38] <falktx> it that only for "launchpad trusted" people?
[17:40] <bigjools> falktx: correct
[17:44] <falktx> how can i be trusted?
[17:44] <falktx> i already signed code of conduct
[17:44] <falktx> i am an ubuntero
[17:44] <falktx> or do i need to be MOTU?
[18:12] <falktx> ?
[18:32] <bigjools> falktx: they are reserved for internal jobs, I'm afraid you can't have access
[18:39] <falktx> that's not fare
[18:39] <falktx> i know dnjl has access
[18:39] <falktx> some motus ppas too
[18:40] <falktx> i have to create my own repo because lauchpad don't build powerpc for me, you know?
[18:40] <falktx> that's a lot of work...
[18:41] <beuno> falktx, we don't support ppc anymore
[18:41] <beuno> so the remaining servers are there for testing purposes really, and not maintained, not virtualized, etc
[18:46] <falktx> there's no way of enabling ppc, i guess
[18:47] <beuno> not through Launchpad, no
[18:50] <falktx> will it be enabled some day?
[18:50] <falktx> or "not so soon"?
[18:50] <beuno> falktx, no, ppc is no longer supported, hasn't been for years
[18:50] <falktx> so it won't come back
[18:50] <falktx> never
[18:50] <falktx> ?
[18:51] <beuno> I can't reaelly see the future
[18:51] <beuno> there are no plans to do so
[18:51] <falktx> i understand
[18:52] <beuno> my guess is that if suddenly 50% of the shipped laptops ship with ppc, it will probably come back on the table
[18:52] <falktx> i already submitted my software to revu
[18:52] <falktx> maybe it will be accepted
[18:52] <bigjools> falktx: the PPAs are built on virtual machines for security reasons, and we can only host what Xen supports
[18:52] <bigjools> which does not include ppc
[18:52] <falktx> what about qemu?
[18:53] <bigjools> we use Xen
[18:53] <falktx> ok
[21:17] <FFEMTcJ> Sorry for the noob question.. When setting up an OpenPGP key.. Do I need one for each computer or how does that work?
[21:18] <FFEMTcJ> And i guess the same question for the ssh key
[21:21] <exarkun> I keep my keys on a USB device that I keep with me.
[21:21] <exarkun> That's not the only option, but it's a pretty good one.
[21:22] <lfaraone> Is it possible to check the current state of a distro release (frozen, open, released, etc) via the LP API?
[21:23] <FFEMTcJ> exarkun: is there a tutorial or something that would show me how to do that?
[21:23] <exarkun> not that I know of, sorry
[21:23] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[21:23] <FFEMTcJ> thanks
[21:24] <FFEMTcJ> so that means you only use one key between all your computers right?
[21:24] <exarkun> yes
[21:24] <FFEMTcJ> sounds good.. thanks
[21:31] <wgrant> lfaraone: distro_series.status looks like it should do it.
[21:32] <lfaraone> wgrant: cool, I'll try it.
[21:52] <RenatoSilva> Feature suggestion: if the bug reporter can't confirm his now bug, then does not allow him to do it
[21:52] <RenatoSilva> s/now/own
[21:52] <exarkun> What does "confirm" mean?
[21:53] <RenatoSilva> it means that more than one person have reproduced the bug and thus it's unlikely to be invalid
[21:54] <wgrant> It's not at all clear that that's what it means any more.
[21:54] <wgrant> Because we have the me-too button for that.
[21:55] <exarkun> RenatoSilva: I'm confused, sorry.  How can a bug reporter confirm his own bug if confirming a bug involves more than one person?
[21:56] <RenatoSilva> wgrant: then LP has a problem
[21:57] <RenatoSilva> exarkun: exactly, that's why I suggest: LP should not allow that
[21:58] <exarkun> Oh, I see.  Thanks.
[23:46] <hggdh> getting continuous timeouts on edge. Known?
[23:51] <maxb> Is there any way to reconfigure the stacking branch of a launchpad branch without deleting and repushing?
[23:51] <wgrant> maxb: You can do it through the bzr API.
[23:52] <wgrant> I forget how.
[23:52] <wgrant> Branch.set_stacked_on_url