[18:27] <ActionParsnip> judgen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=706502
[18:28] <Ricardo_> !exclamation mark
[18:39]  * thomas__ is back.
[18:39] <marcelo> hi
[18:49]  * thomas[away] is away: Gone away for now
[18:51] <DarkriftX> if i wanted to try out gnome a bit what  would be the parent package i would install?
[18:51] <DarkriftX> !gnome
[18:51] <DarkriftX> lol, nevermind
[18:51] <DarkriftX> almost forgot about ubuttu
[18:52] <DarkriftX> bot*
[18:52] <DarkriftX> hrmmm, i dont have a dm, would it be bad to install gnome? i use startx to start x, how will i choose which wm i want?
[18:53] <ncfi1013> would i have to use avidemux to convert .flac files to mp3 format?
[18:53] <coreymon77> DarkriftX: and why dont you have a dm exactly?
[18:53] <DarkriftX> kde4 killed it :(
[18:53] <DarkriftX> bigg long mess, but it doesnt work
[18:53] <DarkriftX> even after 3 reinstalls
[18:54] <coreymon77> ouch
[18:54] <DarkriftX> yeah...
[18:55] <DarkriftX> nobody in here could help me fix it, so im fine with command line login and startx
[18:55] <DarkriftX> just dont know how ill tell it to use gnome like that
[18:55] <DarkriftX> unless i edit my xorg
[18:55] <DarkriftX> .co
[18:55] <DarkriftX> damn keyboard
[18:55] <coreymon77> well, installing ubuntu-desktop would actually install gdm
[18:55] <DarkriftX> hrmmm, gdm might work
[18:56] <DarkriftX> kde should be fine though right?
[19:00] <joseph> !minimalist
[19:06] <courtjesterg>  after you have wine installed and say installed a game now do i need to install microsoft direct x and run it off of wine or is that what x.org is for?
[19:07] <courtjesterg> i have mastered my os
[19:07] <courtjesterg> =)
[19:10] <Coggz> hi all, does anyone here use Wings3D
[19:12] <maximiliano> hi
[19:12] <Coggz> hi
[19:13] <Coggz> hi all, does anyone here use Wings3D
[19:20] <sigp239> How do I add real video codec so that gstreamer can play it?
[19:22] <rmartim> good afternoon :D
[19:23] <faemir> anyone know why my kde programs won't retain size, only position.
[19:23] <faemir> ? *
[19:24] <jussi01> sigp239: try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:25]  * thomas__ is back.
[19:26] <PSiL0> how to bring up the kde menu using the meta key????
[19:26] <DarkriftX> ahhhh! startx now starts in gnome by default, how do i make gdm start so i can choose?
[19:28] <DarkriftX> if it werent so ugly i might like this
[19:31] <PSiL0> !shortcut
[19:31] <PSiL0> !keyboard
[19:31] <PSiL0> damn, I knew that
[19:33] <ncfi1013> would i have to use avidemux to convert .flac files to mp3 format?
[19:33] <faemir> ncfi1013: use ffmpeg
[19:34] <cbarcley> I've just upgraded to kubuntu 8.10 and it's not working anymore
[19:34] <cbarcley> Can anyone help my?
[19:39] <jussi01> !elaborate | cbarcley
[19:41] <ncfi1013> faemir what is ffmpeg
[19:41] <genii> !info ffmpeg
[19:41] <cbarcley> I had version 8.04 Hardy installed and upgraded to version 8.10
[19:41] <cbarcley> the last step was to reboot.
[19:42] <jussi01> cbarcley: so what doesnt work?
[19:42] <jussi01> what does it do now when you reboot?
[19:42] <cbarcley> how i only see the cli login
[19:42] <cbarcley> login does work and
[19:43] <jussi01> cbarcley: please try the following command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:43] <jussi01> cbarcley: follow the dialouges then reboot
[19:44] <cbarcley> ok, I'll try, tanks
[19:44] <cbarcley> thanks
[19:48] <cbarcley> cli only
[19:57] <lalartu> hi all
[19:57] <serenity> is it possible to install kde-nightly next to my normal kde4 installation?
[19:58] <lalartu> anybody can help me? i installed kubuntu 8.04 and i can't change keyboard layout
[19:59] <eamon> hey is there a place where i can download msn for linux
[19:59] <lyhana8> Hi, i'm trying to get openjdk working with firefox, what is the plugins to install ?
[19:59] <Tm_T> eamon: Kopete you mean? it's there already
[20:00] <lalartu> russkie est'??
[20:00] <eamon> where abouts
[20:00] <Tm_T> eamon: Kopete is in your application menu
[20:00] <genii> !ru | lalartu
[20:00] <eamon> im using ubuntu
[20:01] <eamon> nah dosnt seem to be there
[20:01] <lyhana8> Look for pidgim.
[20:01] <Tm_T> !msn | e
[20:01] <Tm_T> gah
[20:01] <Tm_T> eamon: see what ubottu said
[20:02] <lyhana8> Eamon:  pidgin.
[20:02] <eamon> oh yeah iv got pidgin its pretty handy
[20:02]  * genii hands Tm_T a pint of coffee
[20:02] <eamon> but cant use web cam
[20:02] <lyhana8> Not yet supported...
[20:03] <lyhana8> You can try to install kopete or amsn.
[20:03] <eamon> where do i get those from
[20:04] <lyhana8> Look for package manager on the 'system' menu.
[20:04] <lyhana8> Is it your first time on linux ?
[20:05] <eamon> nah but havnt been using it long.  iv only just got my linux box working after some-one spilt bong water down the side of it.  and iv just sold my win pc so this linux box is my only computer now
[20:05] <lyhana8> Maybe you should ask on the #ubuntu channel instead of the #Kubuntu.
[20:05] <eamon> oh it kubuntu different from unbuntu
[20:06] <lyhana8> Do you find the 'package manager' it's called synaptic.
[20:06] <lyhana8> A bit yeah, the global frontend is different, but the underground system is similar, you can mix Gnome apps (Ubuntu) and KDE apps (Kubuntu)
[20:09] <DaSkreech> oscar: how
[20:15] <DaSkreech> oscar: you ?
[20:15] <oscar> good
[20:16] <oscar> thinking about trying to fix my audio in kde
[20:16] <DaSkreech> Me too
[20:16] <DaSkreech> can't be bothered
[20:17] <DaSkreech> Ibex messed it all up :(
[20:17] <oscar> :(
[20:19] <DaSkreech> I can hear but it's so low my bone marrow doesn't cringe anymore when I start to play music
[20:19] <DaSkreech> and I have to turn the sound down to hear anything in videos
[20:21] <e24s>  /msg nickserv identify e24s
[20:21] <e24s>  /msg nickserv identify e24s
[20:21] <genii> e24s: I'd recommend changing your password immediately now. Especially to something that is not also your nick
[20:22] <oscar> hahahaha
[20:23] <e24s> kto mi pomoze  postawic serwer www kubuntu
[20:23] <e24s> prosze o pomoc
[20:24] <DaSkreech> !register
[20:24] <Sokal-EC> any web developers in here?
[20:24] <DaSkreech> !jp
[20:24] <DaSkreech> !ask | Sokal-EC
[20:25] <e24s> !register
[20:25] <Sokal-EC> sheesh
[20:25] <DaSkreech> Sokal-EC: Simply ask your question
[20:25] <Sokal-EC> what is the best flash editor for kubuntu with a gui?
[20:26] <DaSkreech> Adobe Flash I would wager
[20:26] <e24s> !register
[20:27] <Sokal-EC> what is the best pdf editor?
[20:27] <DaSkreech> e24s: What language ?
[20:27] <DaSkreech> Sokal-EC: pdfedit
[20:27] <e24s> poland
[20:27] <DaSkreech> Though really anything works since you can print anything to a PDF
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !info cups-pdf
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !polish
[20:28] <DaSkreech> e24s: If that helps ^^
[20:28] <Sokal-EC> ok if i use apt-get to install something and i want to remove it how do i go about that?
[20:28] <DaSkreech> apt-get remove package
[20:28] <DaSkreech> It will remove the binaries and leave the settings alone
[20:28] <Sokal-EC> ahh
[20:28] <Sokal-EC> seems logical lol
[20:28] <DaSkreech> If you reinstall the package you will get back the same settings that you had before
[20:28] <genii> !pl | e24s
[20:29] <DaSkreech> so you can feasibly remove a bunch of stuff for space and reinstall later and pick up where you left off
[20:30] <e24s> tak
[20:31] <Sokal-EC> is there a apt-get for adobe flash?
[20:31] <Dr_willis> !flash
[20:31] <genii> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[20:31] <Dr_willis> Sokal-EC,  install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package to get flash and java and other bts you proberly want
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Sokal-EC: No
[20:32] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: He's talking about a flash editor
[20:32] <DaSkreech> !gnash
[20:32] <DaSkreech> Assuming that Sokal-EC is a he
[20:32] <genii> Sadly, Gnash .. um ... sucks might be the right word
[20:32] <Dr_willis> he is? wasent very clear on it.. :P)
[20:32] <Dr_willis> Most flash sites dont work with the Browser in my Wii any more. :(
[20:33] <Dr_willis> I find flash... annoying..
[20:33] <DaSkreech> genii: Yes it does but have you seen the odds they have gone up against?
[20:33]  * thomas[away] is away: Gone away for now
[20:33] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Don't worry Next firmware update will have a new browser for you to buy
[20:34] <DaSkreech> !away | thomas[away]
[20:34] <Sokal-EC> lol yeah im a he
[20:36] <e24s> jaki jest kanal polski prosze o pomoc
[20:38] <genii> e24s: Ten język od język angielski tylko tutaj
[20:38] <e24s> oki jaki polski kanał
[20:39] <genii> e24s: /j #ubuntu-pl
[20:39] <e24s> oki n]
[20:42] <TimS> My iPod is connected to my PC, but I am not sure which node its connected to, how can I find out?
[20:42] <starenka> darn. same problem again. i uninstalled some kde4 libs and now i don't have GTK styles config tingies in my kcontrol (kde3). anyone know how to ge those back?
[20:49] <vlt> TimS: lsusb
[20:49] <TimS> Bus 002 Device 011: ID 05ac:1261 Apple, Inc. iPod Classic
[20:51] <TimS> I need to know which /dev/ its on so I can eject it
[20:51] <vlt> TimS: Aah, ok. What does `mount` say?
[20:51] <levidos> how can i set different wallpapers for my workspaces?  i'm using compiz
[20:53] <TimS> vit: Its not mounted
[20:53] <vlt> TimS: When it's not mounted you can just remove it.
[20:54] <DaSkreech> genii: what was that?
[20:54] <TimS> vit: if it was on /dev/sdc1 and you do eject /dev/sda1 the iPod displays "OK to disconnect", At the moment, it displays eject before disconnect
[20:55] <TimS> iPod wants to be ejected :/
[20:55] <Quark> I preffer KDE4 to KDE3.5
[20:55] <DarkSmoke> Quark: its still has to mature dough
[20:55] <DaSkreech> Quark: Hooray for you
[20:55] <vlt> TimS: What happens when removing it?
[20:55] <DarkSmoke> to become as good as kde3.5
[20:55] <genii> DaSkreech: I told him in Polish "English only here" then he wanted to know how to get to the polish channel
[20:55] <TimS> vit: Umm, not sure :p
[20:56] <TimS> Lets find out
[20:56] <DaSkreech> genii: Ah what was the question he asked? Been asking it for a while
[20:56] <Quark> It's nice and flash, but not slow and crashy like Vista.
[20:56] <Quark> *flashy
[20:56] <TimS> It displays the message "OK to disconnect"
[20:56] <TimS> Which is odd, as it has been
[20:56] <Quark> Hey, why did they hire Windows Vista to be a prison guard?
[20:57] <Quark> Because it always locks up! Ha... ha.....
[20:57]  * DaSkreech turns off humour bot 3000
[20:57] <TimS> ha
[20:58] <jabrroa> sup
[20:58] <Quark> gas prices.
[20:59] <PSiL0> does anyone know how to bring up the kde menu using the meta key????
[20:59] <TimS> (they are going down)
[20:59] <genii> DaSkreech: Basically "who do I talk to on web about sales of ubuntu server"
[20:59] <jabrroa> nope they have dropp two bucks :)
[20:59] <Quark> Well, the joke worked a while ago.
[20:59] <DaSkreech> genii: Ah yeah that's a good question. I wonder how many languags they speak at Canonical
[20:59] <jabrroa> lol yes it did'
[20:59] <TimS> Your weight?
[21:00] <DaSkreech> PSiL0: Edit your plasmarc
[21:00] <jabrroa> nope :)\
[21:00] <TimS> People say that a lot to me
[21:00] <Quark> Haven't heard that one.
[21:01] <martin101> Does anyone find the kubuntu really buggy and slow?
[21:02] <Quark> martin101: no. not if you don't install stuff you don't need
[21:02] <Quark> and keep everyting 'clean'
[21:02] <vlt> PSiL0: Does Alt+F1 still work in KDE4?
[21:03] <PSiL0> vlt: thanks
[21:03] <jabrroa> lol
[21:03] <PSiL0> vlt: how can I map it to the meta though?
[21:03] <martin101> I meant to a clean install, compared to mandriva's KDE's implementation, kubuntu seems slow and the graphics seems buggy
[21:03] <DaSkreech> martin101: It can be. Slowness is normally linked to a bad driver
[21:04] <starenka> which package let you set gtk styles in kcontrol?
[21:05] <martin101> I attempted to use it a laptop with intergrated graphics, as I love ubuntu but prefer KDE but I can't stand the instability problems with kubuntu, which is a shame!
[21:05] <DaSkreech> martin101: Possibly kubuntu is the first on the release cycle to put out KDE so They may get things out first but other distros have more time to polish
[21:05] <DaSkreech> martin101: Which video card?
[21:06] <martin101> Mobile GM965/GL960
[21:07] <PSiL0> ahhh...
[21:07] <PSiL0> under system settings->keyboard->keyb shortcuts->plasma workspace
[21:08] <DaSkreech> martin101: Hmm with GMA drivers?
[21:08] <martin101> yep, the standard ones what come with the OS
[21:09] <martin101> also madriva makes firefox look acceptable and well integrated compared to kubuntu
[21:10] <jabrroa> i have a sound problem when someone can help
[21:11] <martin101> I really like KDE4 and ubuntu/debian as a OS, and so I would love to use Kubuntu, but as stated above, it really slow and seems clunky!
[21:12] <martin101> Does anyone know of another debian based KDE4 distro?
[21:14] <woden1> Is KDE better than GNOME?
[21:15] <genii> !best | woden1
[21:15] <Quark> woden1: for me, yes
[21:15] <woden1> Quark:  I have not used KDE in maybe 7 or so years.
[21:16] <woden1> I was thinking of trying it out
[21:16]  * ThomasHC is back.
[21:16] <jabrroa> hehe
[21:16] <jabrroa> backtrack and elive
[21:16] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: please don't use publickaway
[21:16] <woden1> How do I resize my Windows partition to make it smaller so I can install Kubuntu?
[21:16] <Tm_T> woden1: installer can handle that
[21:16] <ThomasHC> Tm_T: what?
[21:17] <woden1> So should I just download Kubuntu 8.10?
[21:17] <Tm_T> !away | ThomasHC
[21:17] <ThomasHC> sorry, konversation does it auto
[21:17] <martin101> I really like KDE
[21:18] <woden1> What do you like about it martin?
[21:18] <Quark> ThomasHC: no it doesn't...
[21:18] <Quark> Did it?
[21:18] <ThomasHC> actually it does
[21:19] <martin101> it feels more intuitive than gnome,
[21:19] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: shouldn't by default
[21:19] <ThomasHC> mine did, ahh well
[21:19] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: anyway, please change
[21:19] <woden1> Why is kubuntu i386, instead of i686?
[21:19] <ThomasHC> will do
[21:19] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: thanks
[21:19] <ThomasHC> woden1: we all ask oursleves that...
[21:19] <dethklok> hi could anyone help me? I have been trying to assembly and run some nasm assembly code, but I have a 64 bit version of ubuntu. When I try run it tell me it is i386 code. Is there a way to change to mode to 32 bit in ubunutu or do I need to reinstall 32 bit ubuntu?
[21:19] <dethklok> its nasm btw
[21:19] <ThomasHC> no problem Tm_T
[21:20] <woden1> ThomasHC: So what is the answer?
[21:20] <ThomasHC> To maintain support for old hardware
[21:20] <ThomasHC> which, that old hardware doesnt run Ubuntu anyway, so......
[21:20] <Tm_T> false, we don't support i386 anymore IIRC
[21:20] <BluesKaj> dethklok, insatll an app called ia32 with apt or adept
[21:20] <dethklok> ok what is that?
[21:20] <Tm_T> it just remains in the name
[21:21] <dethklok> so just install "sudo apt-get ia32"?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> dethklok, it enables 32bit apps on 64 bit machines
[21:22] <woden1> Tm_T: so Why am I downloading something called kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[21:22] <BluesKaj> dethklok, yup
[21:22] <woden1> Instead of kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i686.iso
[21:22] <Tm_T> woden1: that's 32-bit image
[21:22] <dethklok> ok thanks I will try it
[21:22] <woden1> Tm_T:  Yea, so why not 32-bit i686?
[21:22] <ThomasHC> Tm_T: but i686 is a feature in proc that are somewhat modern(oh, last 8 years maybe, or more)
[21:22] <dethklok> for some reason I have been banned from the regular gnome ubuntu chat?
[21:22] <ThomasHC> i686 is 32 bit
[21:23] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: I know, it's actually is that, just named as i386 or so
[21:23] <woden1> dethklok: #ubuntu-ops
[21:23] <Tm_T> -is
[21:23] <ThomasHC> wierd
[21:23] <woden1> Tm_T: So you are telling me that all packages are compiled with i686 optimization?
[21:23] <woden1> Tm_T:  In the kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[21:23] <Tm_T> woden1: or so, cannot remember was it that or i586
[21:24] <Tm_T> woden1: anyway, it doesn't support 386 or so anymore
[21:24] <douche>  what pretty things does 8.10 have? beryl is dead isnt it?
[21:24] <Tm_T> douche: KDE4
[21:24] <ThomasHC> douche: beryl and compiz came back together to form Compiz-Fusion, but I recommend using Kwin in KDE
[21:25] <woden1> Tm_T:  No not 386......do you understand what we are talking about?  I'm not talking about running on a 386 processor.  I'm talking about compiling the packages with i386 optimizations.
[21:25] <martin101> have easy would it be to use compiz fusion instead the KDE4 effects in kubuntu?
[21:25] <Tm_T> woden1: I know, that's what I'm telling you
[21:25] <douche> Im not getting any effects really
[21:25] <douche> I dont think fglrx is installed
[21:25] <Tm_T> woden1: optimizations, if you build with 686 features, you cannot run in older anymore
[21:26] <Tm_T> martin101: easy enough
[21:26] <woden1> Tm_T:  Ok yes.  So, I think i686 covers maybe 99.9% of all existing PCs?
[21:26] <Tm_T> perhaps
[21:27] <martin101> how do you do, if I can, I'd seriously consider giving kubuntu another go, I guess I could address the speed issues later!
[21:27] <Tm_T> martin101: IIRC just install compiz stuff and change your window manager in systemsettings -> user defaults
[21:28] <martin101> oh okay
[21:29] <woden1> Tm_T: I mean seriously, who is using an original Pentium processor?
[21:29] <jabrroa> how much ram will kubuntu support? i have 32GB of corsair dominator.  is it compatible? and what about video
[21:29] <Tm_T> woden1: I'm still using 486sx
[21:29] <woden1> Tm_T:  With what OS?
[21:30] <Mr-S> woden1 >> I am in my mp3 / firewall  box :)
[21:30] <woden1> Wowzers...
[21:30] <Tm_T> woden1: currently WfW 3.11, it has broken floppy so installing another OS is tad bit harder
[21:31] <woden1> Sheesh lol
[21:31] <genii> jabrroa: With 64bit install it will see your 32Gb no problem
[21:31] <woden1> Okay I guess some people are still using the original Pentiums
[21:31] <Sokal-EC> does anyone know a flash editor for kubuntu
[21:31] <Sokal-EC> i tried the f4l thing and no good
[21:32] <Mr-S> Sokal F4l (Flash for Linux )
[21:32] <woden1> Whats the difference between the DVD and the CD iso?
[21:32] <Sokal-EC> been there
[21:32] <Mr-S> sorry no other options
[21:32] <Sokal-EC> why wont f4l open a swf file?
[21:32] <Sokal-EC> do i need to run it as su?
[21:32] <Tm_T> woden1: DVD has live-cd and "alternative installer" in it
[21:32] <martin101> Mr-S the easiest option would probably use a windows app under wine!
[21:33] <Mr-S> martin > i like your thinking
[21:33] <woden1> Is there any advantage to the amd64 iso?
[21:33] <Sokal-EC> how do i run wine then I have zero experience working with it
[21:33] <Mr-S> you can get the Adobe CD suite running with wine, but hell you will need lots lots of coffee
[21:33] <Sokal-EC> i have a flash project i need done asap for a client
[21:36] <Mr-S> Sokal > I am afraid you need to fire up windows ....
[21:36] <Sokal-EC> oh barf
[21:36] <Sokal-EC> lol
[21:36] <Sokal-EC> can nvu edit flash?
[21:37] <martin101> Sokal-EC - sudo apt-get install wine
[21:38] <martin101> locate the windows exe and right click it, open with windows loader!
[21:38] <Sokal-EC> i have it installed i just dont know how to use it
[21:38] <Sokal-EC> ok
[21:39] <martin101> under gnome, i think you can just double click the exe, as far as I remember under kde you have to open it with wine I think
[21:39] <woden1> Sokal-EC:  You just open up a terminal, type wine <path to executable>
[21:40] <Tm_T> martin101: works in KDE too if all is set right
[21:40] <woden1> Does the amd64 iso contain an amd64 kernel plus all packages compiled 64bit?  Or is it just amd64 kernel with all packages being 32bit?
[21:40] <martin101> yeah, but I don't think after just installing it it works that way
[21:40] <Tm_T> woden1: ofcourse all in 64bit
[21:40] <Tm_T> woden1: wouldn't it be nonsense otherway
[21:41] <woden1> Tm_T: So to get flash working you need to run 32-bit browser?
[21:41] <Tm_T> woden1: no
[21:41] <woden1> Tm_T:  I dont know if it would be nonsense.  I have Debian with amd64 kernel and all my packages are 32bit.  Why is that nonsense?
[21:41] <jabrroa> ok thanks and what about sli? i have three Nvidia 9800's gtx edition 1 gb
[21:41] <martin101> there is a wrapper to run flash in 64bit browser if i remember rightly
[21:42] <Tm_T> woden1: would be nonsense to make separate image just for that
[21:42] <woden1> Tm_T:  What do you mean seperate image?  A separate ISO?
[21:42] <Tm_T> yes
[21:43] <woden1> You mean a separate one for 64bit kernel + 32bit packages and a separate one for 64bit kernel + 64bit packages?
[21:44] <indiraider> hey this is dethklok
[21:44] <indiraider> ia32 isn't working
[21:44] <indiraider> is it ia32-libs?
[21:44] <Tm_T> woden1: no, only first one alone
[21:44] <Tm_T> indiraider: perhaps
[21:45] <woden1> Tm_T:  yea, I mean you are saying it would be nonsense to make both of those images..right?
[21:45] <woden1> indiraider:  What is ia32-libs?
[21:45] <histo> woden1: for running 32bit apps on 64bit
[21:45] <indiraider> it is supposed to be an extention so I can run my assembly 32bit nasm
[21:45] <Tm_T> woden1: no, but it would be nonsense in every way
[21:45] <histo> !swfdec-mozilla
[21:46] <histo> hrm... no swfdec in repos?
[21:46] <jabrroa> anyone?
[21:46] <indiraider> so are you sure ia32-libs? it won't mess up my install?
[21:46] <woden1> histo:  so if you have ia32-libs installed, you can execute 32bit apps?
[21:47] <Tm_T> !find swfdec
[21:47] <Tm_T> woden1: yes that's the plan
[21:47] <indiraider> "invalid operation ia32-libs
[21:47] <indiraider> "invalid operation ia32-libs"
[21:48] <Tm_T> indiraider: what was the command you tried?
[21:48] <indiraider> sudo apt-get ia32-libs
[21:48] <genii> put "install" in there
[21:48] <indiraider> in the konsole
[21:48] <genii> indiraider: sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[21:49] <woden1> indiraider:  sudo -i
[21:49] <woden1>  apt-get install ia32-libs
[21:49] <jussi01> !flash64
[21:49] <indiraider> indiraider@indiraider-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[21:49] <indiraider> Reading package lists... Done
[21:49] <indiraider> Building dependency tree
[21:49] <indiraider> Reading state information... Done
[21:49] <woden1> jussi01:  Is Firefox the browser for Kubuntu?
[21:49] <indiraider> ia32-libs is already the newest version.
[21:50] <indiraider> ia32-libs set to manually installed.
[21:50] <uman> Hi everyone one, i have a programming question and dont know where to ask it so i would really appreciate it if you guys could help me out or tell me where to ask it. All i want to do is a simple little app (in visual c++ or visual basic 2008) where i have a list of words in the source code and when i run the app i can see the first word in like a form box or somthing, then there should be a button i can click that makes the first word that was in the form
[21:50] <uman> box be replaced by the second word. when that button is pressed again, the previous word is replaced by the next and so on. Im desperate, i really need this. Thanks in advance. (i guess it could also be in python if i use the text editor, and i need it to run in windows xp. Thanks
[21:50] <Tm_T> woden1: Konqueror
[21:50] <indiraider> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[21:50] <indiraider>   linux-headers-2.6.24-19
[21:50] <indiraider>   linux-headers-2.6.24-19-generic
[21:50] <indiraider> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[21:50] <indiraider> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:50] <indiraider> this is what I'm getting
[21:50] <jussi01> !paste | | indiraider
[21:50] <Tm_T> uman: #c++ ?
[21:50] <genii> indiraider: In future please do not paste into the irc channel, but use pastebin instead
[21:50] <ThomasHC> uman: umm, isn;t this a linux channel? lol
[21:50] <woden1> Tm_T:  I am glad that Kubuntu uses Konqueror....the web browser for KDE.  One thing I do not like about Ubuntu is that it uses Firefox instead of Epiphany.
[21:51] <genii> ThomasHC:  #linux is the linux channel. This is the Kubuntu channel
[21:51] <woden1> indiraider:  Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:51] <ThomasHC> genii: no crap, but it is a linux related channel
[21:51] <indiraider> sorry
[21:51] <ThomasHC> And he;s using Visual Basic
[21:51] <ThomasHC> so.....
[21:52] <genii> ThomasHC: "in visual C++ OR visual basic"
[21:52] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: don't be rude
[21:52] <woden1> So what is the first thing that you would tell a KDE user that hasn't tried KDE in about 7 years and has been using GNOME exclusively this entire time.
[21:53] <Tm_T> woden1: KDE has a great flexibility
[21:53] <woden1> Yea I'm excited to try it
[21:53] <indiraider> so does anyone have a solution to my problem?
[21:53] <Tm_T> woden1: anyway, this is getting non-support kind so see you in #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:53] <ThomasHC> Tm_T: Sorry, but when someones being a smart ***
[21:53] <kkathman> Tm_T,  in everything but KDE4 that is :) hehe
[21:53] <woden1> Can I run the Kubuntu.iso installer from Debian?    Is there a FAQ?
[21:56] <jabrroa> will three SLI nvidia 9800 gtx 1 gb work with kubuntu?
[21:56] <Tm_T> woden1: first, see release notes
[21:56]  * kkathman pats Tm_T  on the back :)
[21:56] <ThomasHC> alright..fine
[21:56] <indiraider> !paste
[21:56] <ThomasHC> I'll just watch
[21:57] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: pleae read guidelines
[21:57] <Tm_T> !guidelines > ThomasHC
[21:57] <jabrroa> ?????
[21:57] <woden1> That wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ link in the topic list redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[21:57] <Tm_T> jabrroa: what I know, should, but cannot promise for sure
[21:58] <jabrroa> ok thanks
[21:59] <jabrroa> and last thing what about a AMD phenom 9850 black quad core?
[21:59] <Tm_T> what about it?
[21:59] <indiraider> ok this is what I am getting when I try to link a simple hello world nasm assembly.
[21:59] <indiraider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/73085/
[21:59] <jabrroa> compatible?
[21:59] <woden1> I believe this is the proper URL for the FAQ:  http://www.kubuntu.org/faq
[22:00] <Tm_T> jabrroa: that is processor?
[22:00] <indiraider> I am banging my head on the table guys
[22:00] <jabrroa> yes i have all gaming hardware... top of the line and im switching to linux for speed
[22:00] <jabrroa> its a proccesor
[22:01] <Tm_T> jabrroa: then there CANT be any problems
[22:01] <jabrroa> ??
[22:01] <jabrroa> i dont get what you mean
[22:01] <Tm_T> jabrroa: processor should never have compatibility issues with operating system, if you're asking that
[22:02] <jabrroa> ok
[22:02] <uga> jabrroa: but most your games won't run =)
[22:02] <jabrroa> i think i will do 64-BIT kubuntu then
[22:02] <Tm_T> uga: sure?
[22:02] <jabrroa> im smart enough ::) ill get em
[22:02] <uga> Tm_T: 99%
[22:02] <Tm_T> uga: all my games do work
[22:02] <jabrroa> I HATE windos
[22:02] <sourcemaker> how can I settup the name of my host? I receive the following tcpdump "arp who-has notebook tell router" but my hostname is "sourcemaker"?
[22:02] <uga> Tm_T: he's a gamer from windows
[22:03] <jabrroa> yea well i play cryis
[22:03] <uga> Tm_T: all his windows games are ported to linux?
[22:03] <Tm_T> uga: so am I in that sense
[22:03] <jabrroa> tm-t what games exactly lol
[22:03] <uga> Tm_T: I seriously doubt more than 10% game makers care about linux
[22:03] <Tm_T> uga: I know, but doesn't mean the games _HE_ plays are an issue
[22:03] <jabrroa> i play games like crysis and bioshock
[22:03] <Tm_T> uga: all games I play has native ports or works with WINE
[22:03] <jabrroa> way new. way extreme.
[22:04] <uga> Tm_T: that means that statistically he's got 90% at least games that dont' run in linux
[22:04] <jabrroa> ill get em
[22:04] <uga> Tm_T: wine? or you mean the paid for counterpart =)
[22:04] <jabrroa> ??
[22:04] <jabrroa> counterpart?
[22:04] <Tm_T> uga: I mean WINE, Cedega is way less compatible
[22:05] <jabrroa> oh
[22:05] <uga> jabrroa: the company that produces wine, has especial versions that are optimized for running games and most office applications
[22:05] <jabrroa> oh ok
[22:05] <uga> like crossover office, which is not free
[22:05] <jabrroa> work better?
[22:05] <Tm_T> uga: and statistically he doesn't have "all" games (:)
[22:05] <uga> jabrroa: yes
[22:05] <Tm_T> jabrroa: works better in some cases, I guess
[22:05] <robinr> simpler to install
[22:06] <uga> Tm_T: statistically most the famous games are from those companies that only produce for windows
[22:06] <jabrroa> hmm :) i have expendable resources sooo.... i think it will cost less than my cooling system lol
[22:06] <Tm_T> uga: I know
[22:06] <Tm_T> uga: still doesn't mean all games he plays are those
[22:06] <Tm_T> anyway, this is getting sidetracked heavily
[22:06] <uga> well, ask him and get prove
[22:06] <uga> I did my calculations ;)
[22:06] <joao_> preciso de uma ajuda
[22:07] <joao_> como instalo o mozila firefox 3 no kubuntu
[22:07] <Tm_T> !es | joao_
[22:07] <joao_> alguem que habla em portugues
[22:07] <jabrroa> i play these games on most part: Crysis, Call of duty 4, Bioshock, Oblivion, and mass effect
[22:08] <Tm_T> !br | joao_
[22:08] <joao_> obrigado
[22:08] <joao_> thanks
[22:08] <Tm_T> jabrroa: see appdb.wine-hq.org or something like that
[22:09] <jabrroa> ok
[22:09] <Tm_T> should have a list of applications and how they work with WINE
[22:11] <Guest48820> does anyone know when the next release of kde is planned?I'm running 4.1 on my acer and having some graphic probs
[22:11] <jabrroa> CALL OF DUTY 4!! lol its on the list!!
[22:11] <Dr_willis> its constantly being updates.. i think 4.1.3 is in the works..  from what i hear in here.
[22:12] <Guest48820> do i have to add specific sources for updates?
[22:12] <joao_> nao estou conseguindo entrar no canal #kubuntu-br ou pt
[22:12] <joao_> sera que tenho que me cadastrar pra entrar no canal
[22:12] <Dr_willis> No idea what reos have 4.1.3 if any.. they may appear in the backports repo.
[22:13] <Guest48820> ok thx
[22:13] <Dr_willis> KDE 4.1.3 -is what i have..
[22:13] <jabrroa> tanks everybody
[22:13] <Dr_willis> so they must be in the backports repos.
[22:14] <Dr_willis> The application Konqueror (konqueror) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[22:14] <Dr_willis> Weee!@
[22:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:15] <uga> Dr_willis: impossible, sure it's your fault
[22:15] <uga> Dr_willis: I mean... you sure didn't type anythign in the url line, right?
[22:15] <uga> you're not meant to type in anything there!
[22:15] <uga> and neither click buttons
[22:15] <Dr_willis> No.. i went to the 'midnight commander' profile. :)
[22:15] <uga> oh, and menus are meant for advanced users only
[22:16] <uga> see? couldn't be the browser's fault ;P
[22:16] <jabrroa> lol
[22:17] <Dr_willis> but i am an advanced loser..
[22:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:18] <Mr-S> sorry Dr_willis no menu option on this one :)
[22:19]  * Dr_willis goes back to fvwm and plays freecol
[22:20]  * thomas[away] is away: Gone away for now
[22:20] <Tm_T> ...
[22:20] <Dr_willis> ---
[22:20] <Tm_T> thomas[away]: I said something, didn't I ?
[22:21] <andrew__> Is there a problem with the installer ?  I have loa screended 8.10 on two different laptops and both times the physical screen size has not been recognised.  (It was reported as 1280x1024 on the older laptop and 1980x1400 on the newer)  Both are limited to 1024x768.
[22:22] <Dr_willis> ive noticed the live cds getting the res wrong on my machines also.
[22:27] <ThomasHC> Tm_T: I hit the wrong hotkey
[22:28] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: just disable that feature? (;
[22:28] <courtjesterg> anybody have a digital camera and wants to download still pictures to there computer?
[22:28] <ThomasHC> been a bit busy
[22:28] <ThomasHC> but just did
[22:29] <Tm_T> ThomasHC: thanks
[22:29] <ThomasHC> Sorry, been coding a lot
[22:29] <Tm_T> courtjesterg: some of us wants and does, why?
[22:29] <courtjesterg> camera.app in systimatic packagemager to run press alt f2 type camera it will make a folder multimedia thats where the pics downlaod too
[22:29] <courtjesterg> download it
[22:29] <Tm_T> no I wont
[22:29] <Dr_willis> I dont need it. :P
[22:30] <courtjesterg> dunno it haad my camera on file but it did nothing so i downloaded this and worked fine
[22:30] <Dr_willis> I plug in my camrea and  it shows up as a usb thumb drive.. :)
[22:30] <courtjesterg> now taking nude videos and posting on the interent for my personal collection is another story ;)
[22:31] <Tm_T> !ohmy | courtjesterg
[22:31] <jabrroa> fag
[22:31] <courtjesterg> yeah i got an hp photosmartm547 i am using its on file
[22:31] <Tm_T> jabrroa: what?
[22:31] <courtjesterg> i really want that cannon from bestbuys
[22:31] <jabrroa> courtjseter
[22:32] <courtjesterg> !ohmy | jabrroa
[22:32] <jabrroa> haha
[22:32] <andrew__> are we in a camera discussion group or does anyone have any ideas about the installer for Kubuntu 8.10 ?
[22:32] <jabrroa> installer?
[22:32] <courtjesterg> what about the installer?
[22:32] <courtjesterg> worked fine
[22:33] <jabrroa> i installed on my ps3
[22:33] <jabrroa> work like butter
[22:33] <courtjesterg> i stuck it on disk and installed great
[22:33] <andrew__> It has twice (on two different laptops) failed to recognise the physical limits of the screen size.
[22:33] <courtjesterg> are you running it in default
[22:34] <courtjesterg> or try runnin git in fail safe
[22:34] <courtjesterg> or options
[22:34] <courtjesterg> sounds like you have it installed just the resoultion you are complaining about
[22:35] <andrew__> I stuck the CD in and installed Kubuntu.  Screen size was set to 1280x1023 on the older laptop and 1980x1400 on the newer.  Both have _physical_ screen sizes of 1024x768
[22:35] <courtjesterg> !x
[22:36] <ThomasHC> !
[22:36] <courtjesterg> !xconfig
[22:37] <andrew__> I fixed the resolution problem on this laptop, but then I have been around Linux for a while.  A newbie would still be scratching their head wondering where the menu is ...
[22:38] <courtjesterg> dunno if you can't fix it normally with the config file i don't know what to tell you try deleteing all your config files and backups through root and making a new one
[22:38] <courtjesterg> edit the res your self in the xconfig file
[22:39] <andrew__> I am not concerned about me.  The _Installer_ is wrong and needs fixed.
[22:39] <Tm_T> andrew__: hmm, I'm not sure if all hardware can be supported and recognized automatically without support from manufacturers
[22:40] <courtjesterg> i prefer to use !kdesu kate
[22:40] <andrew__> I thought physical sizes could be recognised ?  All previous versions I have installed did.
[22:41] <courtjesterg> well if the installer is bad it obvious to download and install with a new one!
[22:41] <andrew__> Is there a new one ?  I got my CD soon after 8.10 was released.
[22:41] <courtjesterg> all my hardware has been reconized
[22:42] <courtjesterg> i just can't gt my rewriteable to read disk think its a hardware malfunction
[22:42] <courtjesterg> just clicks like a bad starter in a car dieing
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:43] <ThomasHC> hello ActionParsnip
[22:46]  * ActionParsnip listens to the wind blow
[23:04] <courtjesterg> *courtjesterg listens to th egothic channel in amarok
[23:04] <courtjesterg> hm
[23:05] <ThomasHC> anyone know a webkit browser for KDE/WT usin g the latest webkit?
[23:05] <ThomasHC> *using
[23:17] <courtjesterg> !alt f2
[23:18] <courtjesterg> i am looking for run command to use the magnifying program and the desktop record program anybody know what they are called?
[23:19] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: edit the menu to find out the command
[23:19] <courtjesterg> edit the alt f2 menu?
[23:20] <courtjesterg> i beleive i do not know how to edit my menu
[23:20] <courtjesterg> one is kmag i know this
[23:20] <isaacj87> I've been playing around with kde-nightly and I noticed that the Oxygen plasma theme has been changed up. Do you think it'll be possible to have the Oxygen theme from KDE4.1?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> kmenuedit
[23:20] <courtjesterg> ok
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: you may be able to assign a key combination to trigger it
[23:23] <courtjesterg> how come after i installed my graphics driver desktop effects no longer work?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: or simply type it in the run box thingy
[23:23] <courtjesterg> yeah it was in desktop effect but they don't work
[23:24] <courtjesterg> hey what is the meta key anyway?
[23:24] <courtjesterg> i did reassign but nothing
[23:24] <faemir> Anyone here know if it's possible to get packages for kde for kubuntu that don't have feature removal in them?
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: glxinfo | grep -i direct
[23:24] <courtjesterg> is that in nano or command line
[23:25] <courtjesterg> nano said yes
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: its a cli command (in konsole)
[23:25] <courtjesterg> direct rendering
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> nano is a text editor only
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> ok thats cool
[23:26] <courtjesterg> now what?
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> or
[23:26] <ActionParsnip> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=686524
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: that will give you compiz-fusion
[23:28] <courtjesterg> ok thks man appreciate it
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: np bro
[23:28] <courtjesterg> i got here in adept sometime installing through lonsole doesn't post icons and such
[23:30] <courtjesterg> actually they are all plugins
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: its the same system, the debs downloaded in each system have icons
[23:32] <Wicked> !plasmoids
[23:32] <Wicked> :(
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> !find plasm
[23:33] <Wicked> i need a good system monitor
[23:33] <Wicked> cpu usage,mem usage,network load....
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Wicked: superkaramba
[23:34] <Wicked> yea
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> !info superkaramba
[23:34] <Wicked> i tried a few SK ones...but they didnt work right
[23:34] <lrentz> everyonce in awhile  my system tray icons will go weird.  Anyone else having this problem?  Using the nvidia driver.
[23:35] <lrentz> if I switch to a terminal and come back they are fine.
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> lrentz: yeah i got that, no idea
[23:35] <Wicked> yea i have that too lrentz
[23:35] <lrentz> the only way I know to refresh it is to switch to a terminal and come back.
[23:36] <lrentz> how about you
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> lrentz: i just kinda ignore it, i use yakuake mostly
[23:36] <courtjesterg> ohh while you are here actionparsnip been trying to fuguire out why my cd/rewrite doesn't see any media when i put in a disk. Bios sees it my sysle sees it even in |shw and such even when i mount it spits the disk out no media
[23:37] <lrentz> hmm.   Never heard of it.  What is it?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> !info yakuake
[23:37] <lrentz> ubottu:  thanks
[23:39] <lrentz> If I remember correctly.  I didnt have the problem until I switched to the restricted driver though.
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/220957
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> lrentz: ive had it always in kde 4.1
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: are you a member of the cdrom group?
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: and burn
[23:41] <lrentz> ActionParsnip: this is the first time I have switched to kde 4:x
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> (the group 'burn')
[23:41] <courtjesterg> nice thanks but i notice it says hardy useing 8.10 intrepid.... No i dunno know that not familar
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: type groups in konsole
[23:42] <courtjesterg> whats the cdrom /burn group
[23:42] <courtjesterg> k
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: yu need to be in those groups
[23:43] <courtjesterg> aalright i just typed groups
[23:43] <courtjesterg> adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[23:43] <courtjesterg> what is this?
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: thats what groups you are a member of
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> id add yourself to burn and cdrom
[23:43] <courtjesterg> sambasshare
[23:44] <courtjesterg> !sambashare
[23:44] <courtjesterg> !groups
[23:44] <courtjesterg> forget it look it up
[23:44] <courtjesterg> afk to internet pm if needed
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> lrentz: what are you burning with?
[23:56] <a> it's bad if you can't ask questions
[23:56] <a> not if you don't mean bad or can't be lead
[23:57] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[23:58] <a> say you lived in a house which houses may be brick or wood and you joined the trailer park or the communal tents and they all snobbed you
[23:58] <a> even though you loved these places after a while you invited the biggest out and kicked the little guy cos they just told you to go elswhere


[04:20] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: I wasn't meaning to drive the haskell transition, I just ran aground on it when a separate transition wound up blocked by pandoc uninstallability.  But considering how deep the haskell stack is, I figure it doesn't hurt to have people pitching in around the clock
[04:32]  * tsimonq2 can help where I can with that as well
[04:34] <tsimonq2> slangasek: If you're around, any chance you could no-change rebuild qtubuntu against the new qtbase?
[04:36] <slangasek> tsimonq2: it looks from here like gsettings-qt also needs rebuilt, is that true?
[04:42] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Out of curiosity, how do you figure that?
[04:42] <slangasek> tsimonq2: packages that depend on qtabase-abi-5-9-0 in bionic and haven't been rebuilt in bionic-proposed
[04:45] <tsimonq2> slangasek: You mean the one that you just rebuilt? Yeah that ;)
[04:45] <tsimonq2> Thanks
[04:46] <tsimonq2> slangasek: And for future reference, do you have some sort of script or did you find that out manually?
[04:48] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I have a script but it's a bit idiosyncratic and sometimes gets the wrong answer vs the transition tracker, so I haven't published it
[04:49] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Ah ok gotcha
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[05:16] <infinity> Oh hey, I finally made ocaml transition.
[05:16] <infinity> Huzzah.
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[05:17] <tsimonq2> \o/
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[05:18] <infinity> tsimonq2: Which package in desktop-common offends you?
[05:19] <infinity> tsimonq2: The point of desktop-common is similar to minimal/standard in the platform seeds, in that we all sort of agree that this is part of a "normal *buntu".
[05:19] <tsimonq2> infinity: I figured out how to make it go bye bye I think, and from what I can tell we shouldn't pick it up anyways because it seems like a recommends (if that changes I'll make a bigger deal about it) but snapd
[05:19] <infinity> tsimonq2: If you think something doesn't fit that, and other flavours agree, then we'd remove it (and flavours that want to keep it would see it in their own desktop)
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[05:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: So, a release or two ago, didn't we all agree that snapd was something everyone wanted?
[05:20] <infinity> tsimonq2: Curious which flavour is a snowflake here. :)
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[05:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: I'm curious when that was agreed on for the sake of reference, but things have changed. I don't see Lubuntu ever needing to use anything snapd provides.
[05:21] <infinity> lubuntu users don't install packages?
[05:22] <infinity> tsimonq2: Not sure about the concensus reference, but the addition was before Xenial released.
[05:22] <tsimonq2> Oh, so we should install the flatpak daemon too? Just saying. :P
[05:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: And Lubuntu positions (in multiple senses of the word) have changed as well.
[05:23] <tsimonq2> (since Xenial at least)
[05:23] <rbasak> Wasn't there an ML discussion that concluded that nobody was SRUing flatpak any more?
[05:23] <Ukikie> I like the option to not include snapd if a flavor desires.
[05:24] <infinity> slangasek: So, was the concensus on snapd before it was added to desktop-common?
[05:24] <infinity> s/the/there/
[05:24] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I personally don't care about flatpak but rather "snapd should be installed by default because it helps install software" is a weak argument if Lubuntu doesn't ever decide to ship any Snaps by default.
[05:24] <tsimonq2> Ukikie: I do too.
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[05:25] <rbasak> Snaps are, currently at least, primarily for third party apps. What a flavor ships by default is thus irrelevant.
[05:25] <infinity> (except for some Canonical projects that have gone snap-only)
[05:25] <rbasak> (whether it ships or doesn't ship snaps by default, that is)
[05:26] <rbasak> infinity: they're still effectively third party to Ubuntu though.
[05:26] <rbasak> Layered on top of the OS rather than part of it.
[05:26] <infinity> rbasak: Well, yes.
[05:26] <infinity> With the exception of subiquity...
[05:26] <infinity> Where it's hard to say with a straight face that your installer is "3rd party".
[05:26] <rbasak> "primarily"
[05:26] <Ukikie> subiquity isn't packaged? 0_o
[05:27] <Ukikie> Seems to be, hm.
[05:27] <tsimonq2> rbasak: So why would we ship a daemon that we don't plan on utilizing? People can install snapd if they want.
[05:27] <rbasak> Who's "we"? You as developers or your users?
[05:28] <rbasak> In any case, note that I'm not arguing for or against whether Lubuntu should seed snapd.
[05:28] <tsimonq2> Us as Lubuntu developers.
[05:28] <rbasak> I'm just rubbishing your argument that it has anything to do with whether a flavour by default ships any snaps or not.
[05:29] <infinity> Ukikie: The version in the archive isn't what's used for the images (and looks ancient and should probably be removed)
[05:29] <Ukikie> That sounds less than ideal.
[05:29] <rbasak> I'd also argue that a decision should have everything to do with what's best for your users. Rather than what developers need.
[05:30] <infinity> I have no issues will pulling it out of desktop-common and putting it in everyone's desktop seeds instead (except lubuntu).  I'm more curious about if slangasek got concensus before adding it.
[05:31] <Ukikie> (As Xubuntu this time) Last I had heard during the video call/discussion, it was going to be discussed whether it would be opt-in or not.  That never happened that I saw and just ended up required. :/
[05:31] <tsimonq2> rbasak: The "mission" of Lubuntu is to be useful for people with lower end hardware or for people who want to get a speed boost on their existing machine. I don't believe snapd fits that.
[05:32] <rbasak> tsimonq2: now that's a valid argument. Though I'm still staying neutral; nothing to do with me :)
[05:32] <infinity> I was about to say that arugment made no sense to me. ;)
[05:32] <tsimonq2> infinity: I see no mailing list discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss, ubuntu-release, or ubuntu-devel at the time this change was made. Although that's not everywhere it could have been discussed, those are typically the places, no?
[05:32] <infinity> Hrm, except maybe from a memory footprint perspecive.
[05:32] <infinity> tsimonq2: Yeah, that's where I looked and also found nothing. :P
[05:33] <rbasak> infinity: yeah memory footprint is what I was thinking.
[05:33] <rbasak> (also possibly disk footprint)
[05:33] <rbasak> Though that is perhaps only relevant to whether users would install snaps, rather than whether the mere presence of snapd is desirable.
[05:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: Memory footprint, the fact that it uses All The Loopback Devices, LXQt/LXDE and other Lubuntu upstreams aren't fast enough to really need Snaps, etc.
[05:34] <rbasak> But if the philosophy is to have nothing by default, then that's also valid.
[05:34] <infinity> tsimonq2: The loop mounts only come in to play when someone installs a snap.
[05:34] <infinity> At which point, the user has made a decision.
[05:35] <tsimonq2> rbasak: I guess by that same point, we should also install every other popular daemon that allows people to install software, no? Because then it gives everyone all the options... :P
[05:35]  * tsimonq2 shrugs
[05:35] <infinity> Anyhow, I honestly don't care if you want to remove it.  But if a flavour doesn't want it, it shouldn't be in common.
[05:35] <infinity> So we should sort that.
[05:35] <tsimonq2> Alright.
[05:36] <Ukikie> Xubuntu wasn't thrilled about the late breaking font changes, IIRC.
[05:36] <infinity> (There's also the reality that Canonical owns all the *buntu brands, and Mark could tell you that you want snapd and there's nothing you can do about it, but I'm pretty sure that's not what happened here)
[05:37] <infinity> I mean, there are certainly bits of the system we won't let you remove while still using that brand.
[05:37] <Ukikie> And to be fair, snap is Ubuntu's homegrown system, so it's a little more than any random like flatpak.
[05:37] <tsimonq2> Ukikie: Then out of curiosity, why did nobody respond on behalf of Xubuntu when Jeremy sent the email to ubuntu-release?
[05:38] <Ukikie> tsimonq2: Because not everything can be caught at the last minute. :)
[05:39] <slangasek> infinity: no, that wasn't based on a consensus discussion with the flavors, it was a fiat that this is now part of the Ubuntu platform
[05:39] <tsimonq2> ...huh?
[05:39] <tsimonq2> Ukikie: Ah, ok.
[05:39] <infinity> slangasek: Was it?  Kay.  I don't remember that happening either.  I remember a few flavours adding it of their own free will, and then it ended up in -common, but I assumed people were asked before that.
[05:40] <infinity> Assumed incorrectly, as it turns out.
[05:40] <tsimonq2> Well Lubuntu still won't pull it in because we don't have recommends enabled.
[05:40] <tsimonq2> But I'm curious about whether that came from Mark or somewhere else...
[05:41] <infinity> Which is a bug, not a feature. :P
[05:41] <infinity> A bug I hate working around.
[05:41] <tsimonq2> A bug that, now that this is a thing, makes me less eager to solve. :P
[05:43] <slangasek> you cite memory footprint; would that be addressed by having snapd shut itself down after boot if there were no snaps installed, and be socket activated after that?
[05:44] <slangasek> (lubuntu is not the only Ubuntu that cares about memory footprint; the above sounds like a good general enhancement)
[05:47] <rbasak> I have always wondered why snapd doesn't do that.
[05:47] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Sure, if snapd was not enabled or used at all whatsoever, then I wouldn't care because it would just be taking up disk space at that point.
[05:47] <tsimonq2> (you know, if Snaps weren't installed by default at all)
[05:49] <tsimonq2> One thing I'm wondering about down the road is if any Snaps will be a core part of Ubuntu in that it would be part of the platform. That's the slippery slope I don't want to lead in to.
[05:51] <slangasek> tsimonq2: no flavor would be forced to include software packaged as snaps; even if Canonical thinks Ubuntu users are better served by having a particular package as a snap instead of a deb, flavors can always continue maintaining a deb in the archive
[05:52] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Alright, cool. But seeing how things are moving, do you think it will stay that way?
[05:53] <slangasek> what I do think matters is to preserve consistency when users go to install packages, across flavors.  As we start to see more and more new software as snap-only, and more instructions to 'snap install', I think it matters to have this work everywhere
[05:57] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I see no reason to believe that would ever change.  And anyway, by the time you had an Ubuntu that you couldn't build from debs, I'm not sure there'd be much of a "flavor" story at all
[05:57] <tsimonq2> Sure, and assuming snapd can stay completely out of the way when not used (as talked about before), I have no problem with having snapd installed by default for people to be able to do that; even if I don't support Snaps as a platform, for consistency, I really don't care, go ahead.
[05:58] <tsimonq2> slangasek: You wouldn't have Linux distributions then, you'd have "upstream" (probably)...
[05:58] <slangasek> tsimonq2: do you want to file a bug on the snapd package about the auto-shutdown question?
[05:58] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Sure.
[06:10] <tsimonq2> slangasek: bug 1730159
[06:23] <tsimonq2> slangasek: And out of curiosity, back to snapd being in desktop-common... is that final or still up for discussion?
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[06:40] <slangasek> tsimonq2: rarely is any decision final; you should feel free to raise a question to the Tech Board for example if you think this needs review
[06:40] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Alright, thanks.
[13:07] <Laney> infinity: slangasek: I'm seeing https://paste.ubuntu.com/25894759/ taking out workers in lcy01 - no time to investigate right now but if you're around it'd be good to check it out
[13:07] <Laney> ubuntu@juju-prod-ues-proposed-migration-machine-3:~$ systemctl list-units autopkgtest@lcy01* --state=inactive -a
[13:07] <Laney> [...]
[13:07] <Laney> 18 loaded units listed.
[13:08] <Laney> Seems to only(?) be affecting lcy01
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[16:36]  * tsimonq2 slides a $drink to whoever is on SRU duty on Monday
[17:46] <slangasek> haskell-shake failed its testsuite on ppc64el on rebuild; that looks like it'll need some investigating
[20:14] <xnox> infinity, i was calculating on the envelope our tests will run for like one more week, without any backlog being added.


[05:08] <maps> morning
[05:09] <daftykins> o/
[05:36] <daftykins> nn \o
[05:36] <maps> nn
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[10:21] <moreati> I reported a bug on launchpad, it was marked Incomplete & requested more info, I've supplied more info. Should I change it from Incomplete? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1488409? If so to what status?
[10:30] <moreati> Aha, the answer is yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20statuses#Frequently_Asked_Questions
[19:21] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I have a USB IR receiver and remote that came with it, seems to be plug and play apart from a bunch of the buttons don't work. Any ideas?
[19:21] <Azelphur> the receiver blinks an LED when it sees button presses, so hardware wise I assume it's working
[19:22] <foobarry> anyone experienced problems with TWRP on android? sent my phone into a terminal bootloop after performing a nandroid backup
[19:22] <Azelphur> foobarry: I've noticed it does strange things to the OS when you backup, are you looking to factory reset?
[19:22] <foobarry> i was trying to backup
[19:23] <foobarry> it killed the recovery partition and OS
[19:23] <foobarry> had to format the whole storage and start from scratch again
[19:23] <penguin42> foobarry: You're sure you've got the right TWRP for your exact device?
[19:23] <foobarry> yes penguin42
[19:23] <penguin42> hmm
[19:23] <foobarry> after doing it twice, i switched to CWM and seems more stable
[19:24] <shauno> Azelphur: tried using lirc?  I think irw should spit out stuff for each keypress, regardless of whether it's mapped to something
[19:24] <penguin42> foobarry: I'm guessing it's just a bad or build for that device; sometimes the layout gets changed between versions of the firmware
[19:24] <Azelphur> shauno: nah I haven't, just using the plug and play, guess I should go learn lircd
[19:25] <shauno> it might be worth poking just to make sure events are being generated
[19:25] <foobarry> basically destroyed my phone a few times in 2 days
[19:25] <foobarry> now its OK i hope
[19:26] <foobarry> couldn't wait any longer to get a newer adnroid as 5.0.2 was shocking
[19:26] <shauno> (I haven't used the /dev/input stuff though, so I'm not sure what you'd do with them if you did find the events)
[19:26] <penguin42> foobarry: What phone?
[19:26] <foobarry> 7 seconds between switching apps
[19:26] <foobarry> motog X1032
[19:26] <penguin42> nod
[19:26] <foobarry> 5.1.1 not out yet
[19:26] <foobarry> although i may have jinxed it and will come out tomorrow now
[19:26] <bujji> how can i add sd4 partition to sd5 here is my details https://bpaste.net/show/2a2ed32ec2b6
[19:29] <bujji> hello o/
[19:30] <Azelphur> I found this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=140586 that block of code doesn't look too promising
[19:30] <Azelphur> shauno: ^ :(
[19:30] <shauno> bujji: you mean merge them?
[19:31] <bujji> shauno: hm es
[19:32] <penguin42> Azelphur: Wire shark can watch USB, so you can see if anything at all appears
[19:34] <Azelphur> penguin42: I see many people with this problem, so we can assume not a hardware fault
[19:34] <Azelphur> so stuff no doubt appears in wireshark :)
[19:34] <shauno> hm, I'm not sure I can touch that one.  especially with one of them being ntfs.
[19:35] <shauno> you need to backup all data off sda4, delete it, and the swap partition, then grow the extended part into the rest of the disk.  create a new swap at the end of the disk, then grow 4 into the slack
[19:35] <shauno> but you will screw this up on the first three attempts and trash everything.  so lots of backups.  lots of backups.  so much backup that it's quicker just to repartition and start again.
[19:36] <bujji> i took backup of sd4, so sd5 lso i have to take.
[19:39] <shauno> well the thing is, the "easy" method is just to copy all the data somewhere safe, re-do your partitions, then copy it back again
[19:39] <shauno> the "clever" way is so messy that you 100% need that backup anyway.  which is the first half of doing it the easy way
[19:40] <bujji> entire data i have to copy and partition again?
[19:40] <shauno> so it boils down to whether you actually want to make life easy for yourself
[19:40] <shauno> you don't have to, but I think it's the least risky
[19:40] <shauno> finish your backup, re-do your partitions, then go to bed while it copies back.
[19:41] <bujji> any doc..
[19:41] <shauno> the "clever" version isn't much quicker since you're trying to join ntfs+ext4, so you have to copy all of one anyway
[19:43] <bujji> hmm,if it is added /   ?
[19:48] <bujji> o/
[20:05] <diddledan> ebenink
[20:09] <penguin42> that's not a very good password is it
[20:10] <diddledan> :-)
[20:47] <shauno> I gotta admit, it's difficult not to channel your inner-diddledan when you read things like "Wily has changes in scripts/init-bottom coming"
[20:47] <diddledan> :-p
[20:47] <diddledan> my work here is done! :-D
[20:48] <diddledan> that's an awesome combination of words, though!
[20:48] <shauno> so you're finished now?
[20:48] <diddledan> no
[20:48] <diddledan> :-p
[20:48] <diddledan> I'll never stop!
[20:49] <diddledan> I feel it requires regular top-ups to maintain potency
[20:50] <shauno> :(
[20:51] <foobarry> http://fox5sandiego.com/2015/08/29/large-bug-scares-weather-reporter-on-live-tv/
[20:51] <foobarry> lol
[20:51] <diddledan> small drone?
[20:54] <shauno> lol, welcome to faux news
[20:54] <diddledan> shauno, is it really as bad as people make out?
[20:56] <diddledan> I hear it's like "an airplane today was doing normal things. it reminded people of 9/11 and how dangerous OMG TERRORISM can be lourking everywhere"
[20:56] <diddledan> lurking, too
[20:57] <diddledan> (notice how I spelled aeroplane the american way to maintain accuracy :-p)
[20:58] <shauno> to be fair, most of them are really as bad as people make out.  I lean heaviest on faux news because our boss used to put it on from 6 'till 9am every morning.
[20:58] <diddledan> ouch
[21:03] <shauno> this one's fantastic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0IiVyFM4yo&t=415
[21:03] <shauno> mostly because it's a perfectly serious finance segment.  american dude isn't actually trying to be a clown.
[21:04] <diddledan> lmao
[21:05] <diddledan> that's terrible
[21:06] <shauno> I do realise the whole britain vs gb vs uk mess can be fun to explain.  but like .. 5 seconds of homework?
[21:07] <shauno> I'm quite surprised the IDA guy didn't beat him to death with a rubber chicken.
[21:21] <shauno> man, xbmc does *not* like it when you rename your fileserver
[21:25] <diddledan> did you kill it?
[21:25] <shauno> I just have to re-add everything
[21:43] <directhex> shauno: he might not be trying, yet he's enormously successful!
[21:44] <diddledan> :-)
[21:46] <daftykins> shauno: Kodi! :P
[21:47] <shauno> I don't believe there's a build for my aging 1st-gen appletv :(
[21:47] <daftykins> ah i see
[21:48] <daftykins> nah they've finally been murdered since Apple removed the required libs and what not (i am no dev ;) ) from the default install
[21:48] <daftykins> was too much work for the guy that looks after them to keep going
[21:49] <shauno> I think on the 1st-gen it's just an age issue  (the software image hasn't change in years)
[21:50] <daftykins> ah ok
[21:50] <daftykins> i dunno when it got murdered, maybe it's only the v2 that still works with 14.2
[21:50] <shauno> it's a celeron M .. single-core, I think 800 or 900MHz.  with 256Mb.
[21:51] <daftykins> in the bin :D
[21:52] <shauno> haha, nah, it still does what I bought it for
[21:52] <shauno> and it's difficult to find anything else htpc-ish for the price
[21:55] <shauno> besides, it's pretty :)  the old ones look like a half-height mac mini, instead of the new black matchbox things
[21:56] <daftykins> i quite like the Amazon FireTV i picked up for £50 when on sale
[21:56] <daftykins> definitely more limited on android than a standard OS though
[21:56] <shauno> yeah, that's android.  not doing that.
[21:57] <shauno> if an advertising company wants to stick a black box on my network, they can pay me for it.
[21:57] <daftykins> i was hoping to make my lounge one into a pretend squeezebox with addons in Kodi, but you have to pay for an app to do it for some reason
[21:57] <daftykins> well mine runs Kodi :P
[21:57] <daftykins> and amusingly i've used it to watch some of their own shows XD
[21:59] <shauno> I'm really attached to the idea of something that runs a proper OS
[22:00] <shauno> the first-gen appletv is still osx under the hood, so it's quite familiar.  otherwise something nice & tidy with linux on intel or arm would be fine too
[22:02] <shauno> basically, if the intel nuc was half the price and the cases didn't look like pants
[22:02] <daftykins> mmm my ASRock box is still pretty good, i just got annoyed with the fans. dual core Atom, 2GB RAM and ion1 for VDPAU offload handles HD nicely - SSD for speedy boot
[22:02] <daftykins> haha yeah they're pretty poor
[22:04] <shauno> I mean, that's basically what the appletv is.  what the nuc would be pre-core (but with optical+component audio, and $99)
[22:04] <daftykins> component audio o0
[22:05] <shauno> I'm a fan of being able to attach anything & everything to my amplifier :D
[22:07] <daftykins> just not sure what that means. i have an AVR so i can make use of optical or the HDMI just fine
[22:07] <daftykins> i don't own a device that can bitstream the lossless HD formats to it, but i don't really imagine it's as good as the dedicated folk tell me ^_^
[22:07] <daftykins> especially on my little baby speaker set
[22:09] <shauno> oh, I mean it still has phono sockets
[22:10] <directhex> bedtime.
[22:10] <shauno> handy because my amp only has two optical inputs, and since apple stick optical on pretty much everything, I tend to run out of them first
[22:11] <daftykins> ah i see
[22:11] <daftykins> you could get an ugly little switcher box ;)
[22:12] <shauno> that'd be mesy :p
[22:13] <daftykins> i remember when a mate had a little switcher that you just rotated a bit on to flick between optical inputs
[22:20] <shauno> ooh, it's faster than I thought; 1GHz apparently
[22:20] <shauno> and it seems it's having some problems with ipv6
[22:22] <shauno> it has v6 addresses where the v6 addresses should be, and v6 addresses where the v4 addresses should be.  good thing I don't really use v4
[22:23] <penguin42> shauno: The v4 address, it's not a v6 address starting ffff....
[22:23] <penguin42> ?
[22:23] <shauno> nope, it's the same as my global
[22:23] <penguin42> fun
[22:24] <shauno> Has IP Assigned: Yes
[22:24] <shauno> IPv4 Addresses: 2001:0470:etcetc
[22:24] <daftykins> haha
[22:24] <shauno> my 10. don't appear anywhere
[22:25] <shauno> oddly, ifconfig gets it right, but system_profiler doesn't
[22:27] <diddledan> you know women have boob implants? are those silly cones?
[22:27] <daftykins> that's a bad diddledan
[22:28] <shauno> I know I'm way OT, but that's .. slapworthy
[22:28] <daftykins> maybe that's why he wouldn't meet you up shauno, you'd have had so many in a backlog to dish out ;)
[22:29] <shauno> I think he just didn't want to admit his ankle bracelet would alarm if he went that far from home
[22:29] <diddledan> lol
[22:32] <diddledan> ooh, I'm a week out of date on dark matter
[22:32]  * diddledan watches ep11
[22:32] <shauno> wossat?
[22:32] <diddledan> (from the twenty onest)
[22:32] <diddledan> shauno, a fun scifi
[22:33] <diddledan> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4159076/
[22:43] <shauno> also, I'm now the proud owner of a usb floppy drive :D
[22:43] <penguin42> shauno: Technology!
[22:44] <diddledan> I'm the proud owner of a usb thingie that plugs into a floopy drive, does that count as awesome?
[22:44] <shauno> totally technology.  I like to raid the recycling bins at work.
[22:45] <diddledan> shauno, raided floppies!
[22:45] <diddledan> shauno, RAID5
[22:46] <shauno> lolno.
[22:53] <penguin42> diddledan: Ooh, so you mean you could connect that to a 5.25 drive?
[22:53] <diddledan> penguin42, yeah
[23:26] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHc288IPFzk


[08:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[15:47] <studio_> hi
[15:48] <studio_> anybody here?
[15:50] <studio_> still looking for a solution to run ubuntu-next (mir) with unity8-mir under vbox 5.0, any chance?
[16:27] <studio_> fixed it by myself. the version from 21-Jul-2015 is working, the version from 09-Apr-2015 wasn't ... ok, maybe my mistake ...
[16:27] <studio_> bye


[05:18] <astraljava> ScottL: I can probably test tonight and see whether maverick finally installs on my env or not.
[05:19] <ScottL> astraljava, i think i found the problem (but please test it as well)
[05:19] <ScottL> it seems that our version of zynjacku/lv2rack (they come from the same source) expects lashd to be isntalled
[05:20] <astraljava> ScottL: Ahh... okay. But yeah, I'll check it out.
[05:20] <astraljava> ScottL: Err... wait, not tonight, but tomorrow. I'll be home today at around 9 pm.
[05:21] <persia> That might be a missing dependency: if the app doesn't work without lashd, we ought force lashd to be installed simultaneously when people install the app.
[11:19] <quadrispro> ScottL, http://debomatic64.debian.net/unstable/pool/swh-lv2_1.0.15+20091215.git2358739-1/
[12:26] <ScottL> quadrispro, awesome! but i forget, does ubuntu sync from testing or unstable?
[12:26] <ScottL> if ubuntu syncs from testing, how soon before swh-lv2 hits testing?
[12:26] <ScottL> LP: #613145
[12:27] <ScottL> bug 613145
[12:27] <ScottL> quadrispro, even if you fix this bug, persia and i had talked about including lash in natty
[12:34] <quadrispro> well
[12:34] <quadrispro> working on swh-lv2 packaging, there are a number of things to fix
[12:35] <ScottL> oh :(
[12:35] <quadrispro> s/are/is/ ? :/ oh, my bad english
[12:35] <quadrispro> persia knows how bad is my english :(
[12:35] <ScottL> are was correct for a plural noun (there)
[12:36] <ScottL> especially with "things" in the predicate of the sentence
[12:36] <quadrispro> ther is a number
[12:36] <quadrispro> there *
[12:36] <quadrispro> mmmh
[12:36] <ScottL> correct
[12:36] <ScottL> :)
[12:36] <quadrispro> yep :)
[12:36] <quadrispro> yuppie
[12:36] <ScottL> lol
[12:37] <ScottL> i just want to point out again, quadrispro, your help is astounding and studio is really seeing great benefits from it :)
[12:37] <quadrispro> thanks :
[12:37] <quadrispro> )
[12:39] <quadrispro> I'm happy of that
[12:57] <quadrispro> see you later!
[13:44] <persia> ScottL, Just for confirmation, fixing the bug in the way that the package depends on lash automatically includes lash in the images.  Doesn't address the overall using-lash-to-make-life-easy thing (that's natty)
[15:01] <scott-work> detrate`: i'm still exploring avenues for getting the website done in drupal but i have to admit that i'm running out of options
[15:02] <scott-work> detrate`: if things continue the way they are it would seem we would need to explore word press (or other cms) and find replacement hosting
[15:02] <scott-work> detrate`: would you still be interested in helping with the website ?
[15:47] <ryanpg> hi, I was just over on #ubuntustudio but perhaps this is a better channel
[15:47] <ryanpg> I'm getting anxious about the state of jackd in 10.10, several major applications have conflicting requirements for jackd and jackd2
[15:48] <ryanpg> with 10.10 being released in one month, it doesn't seem likely there will be a functional jackd "environment" available. Am I understanding the situation correctly?
[15:49] <scott-work> ryanpg: i don't think so, i've downloaded and installed the beta version and jack works for me :)
[15:50] <scott-work> but i'm just using it to record guitar, bass, and vocals from my delta44 and get drums from hydrogen all into ardour
[15:51] <scott-work> ryanpg: can you give some specific examples of major applications having conflicting requirements for jackd and jack2
[15:52] <ryanpg> hi scott-work one example: ardour and supercollider
[15:52] <scott-work> ryanpg: hmmm, ardour worked for me in the beta version, but i don't use supercollider
[15:53] <scott-work> ryanpg: have you tried the beta version to see how it works?
[15:53] <ryanpg> scott-work, ok - it may be just a few cases then - yes, I'm running beta
[15:54] <scott-work> ryanpg:  so is supercollider not working properly with jack for you?
[15:54] <ryanpg> scott-work, it cannot be installed due to conflicting requirements
[15:55] <holstein> ryanpg: do you still have list?
[15:55] <holstein> from synaptic or whatever
[15:56] <scott-work> hmmm, many packages needed to be rebuilt against the new jack and have been, this may have been one that was overlooked
[15:56] <holstein> scott-work: i bet
[15:56] <scott-work> hi holstein , i said we would probably talk this morning :)
[15:56] <holstein> its not in be default right?
[15:56] <holstein> that would make sense
[15:56] <scott-work> correct, i just checked
[15:56] <holstein> scott-work: :)
[15:57] <scott-work> holstein:  following our conversation last night, when you are thinking about packages, try to think in terms of "workflows"
[15:57] <holstein> yeah, i was reading that over the OSMP
[15:57] <holstein> i like that idea quite a bit
[15:57] <scott-work> the idea would be to identify specific workflows, include the apps, and docuement
[15:57] <scott-work> oh, okay :)
[15:57] <scott-work> not my idea, it was persia's, but it's brilliant i think
[15:58]  * ryanpg removes some ppa repo's and backs out some changes
[15:58] <holstein> i think we can come up with several quite different ones from the pool of OSMP users
[15:58] <holstein> if you just take [lsd] and I
[15:58] <holstein> we have totally different needs
[15:58] <holstein> and the podcasters too
[15:59] <holstein> great idea persia
[15:59] <holstein> scott-work: i had a section on the WIKI about that
[15:59] <holstein> i'll try and make some noise about it
[15:59] <scott-work> holstein: the osm wiki ? or ubuntu wiki?
[15:59] <holstein> and get some contributors there
[15:59] <holstein> the OSM one
[16:00] <holstein> even if they dont run ubuntustudio
[16:00] <holstein> the workflow could still be useful
[16:00] <scott-work> i had thought about podcasters as well, even streaming live audio like we were talkging about
[16:00] <scott-work> holstein: oh, i asked the guy about internet at the party, he said they could accomodate that so i'll try to stream audio :)
[16:00] <holstein> w00t :)
[16:02] <ryanpg> ok, I think I discovered what's going on - supercollider is apparently not included in 10.10 ? I must have added a ppa with a version that requires an earlier version of jackd
[16:02] <holstein> ryanpg: its good to catch that though
[16:03] <ryanpg> holstein, thanks - but it's muuuuch better that I was wrong about the state of affairs with jackd!
[16:03] <ryanpg> :)
[16:04] <holstein> scott-work: thats probably one for the list
[16:04] <scott-work> oh, yeah...i had checked to see if it was in ubuntu studio by default, i just now checked and it's not in the official archives at all!
[16:04] <holstein> to think about
[16:04] <holstein> supercollider
[16:04] <scott-work> holstein: i think there are some licensing issues, i seem to remember persia and maybe quadrispro talking about upstream
[16:04] <holstein> AH
[16:05] <holstein> scott-work: when are the meetings here?
[16:06] <scott-work> i could be misremembering this though, i'll look at debian
[16:06] <holstein> i wouldnt mind to get a list of those packages together
[16:06] <holstein> the ones with questionalbe legal states
[16:06] <holstein> and put that up on a wiki somewhere
[16:06] <holstein> so that can be referenced if that comes up
[16:06] <scott-work> yeah, supercollider is not in debian either, most likely licensing then
[16:06] <ryanpg> perhaps I'm mis-remembering, but I thought supercollider was included previously - wonder what changed
[16:07] <scott-work> that's a good idea holstein, along with a reason why the package is not included with links to email or whatnot
[16:07] <holstein> OH
[16:07] <holstein> even better
[16:07] <scott-work> ryanpg: according to ubuntu packages, it was in dapper only   http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=supercollider
[16:08] <ryanpg> yeah, just checking that now
[16:08] <ryanpg> wow, that was quite some time ago
[16:09] <scott-work> holstein: troy_s had also suggested also suggested a wiki page with the rationale for why apps are *included* in studio as well
[16:09] <scott-work> good example is network-admin vs network-manager
[16:09] <holstein> scott-work: thats the kind of thing i can help with right now
[16:09] <holstein> im working on my wiki-foo
[16:09] <holstein> akgraner is schooling me :)
[16:10] <scott-work> lol, i looked at the supercollider package in launchpad, last build was 234 weeks ago :)
[16:10] <scott-work> cool holstein
[16:10] <ryanpg> apparently there's not much need for supercollider on ubuntu :)
[16:10] <scott-work> ryanpg: you might send an email to the owner of the ppa with supercollider about rebuilding it against the new jack
[16:11] <ryanpg> scott-work, good idea
[16:11] <scott-work> ryanpg: i found this one also, don't know if you are using it or another or even if this one has been rebuilt   https://launchpad.net/~supercollider/+archive/ppa
[16:11] <ryanpg> yes, that's the ppa I used - it has not been rebuilt
[16:11]  * holstein wonders if falktx has it
[16:12] <ryanpg> oh, I know Артём Попов :)
[16:12] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[16:12] <ryanpg> artfwo
[16:13] <holstein> nah
[16:13] <holstein> i dont see it in falks PPA
[16:15] <ryanpg> I think artfwo is the guy to go to for supercollider
[16:15] <holstein> cool
[16:16] <holstein> falktx is the kind of guy who would fix it to include it in KXstudio
[16:16] <holstein> and put it in that PPA
[16:16] <ryanpg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtemPopov
[16:16] <holstein> BB
[16:50] <ryanpg> ok, I contacted artfwo
[16:50] <ryanpg> his packages are being used by puredyne btw
[16:50] <holstein> AH
[16:50] <ryanpg> he has submitted supercollider to revo for ubuntu
[16:50] <scott-work> holstein: we haven't really had meeting in a while because not enough people were attending, and those that did attend often didn't work on what they said they would
[16:50] <holstein> ryanpg: thanks
[16:50] <ryanpg> there are problems with the way libraries are named - which is why supercollider is not inlcuded
[16:50] <ryanpg> holstein, welcome
[16:50] <holstein> scott-work: maybe we can talk about that too
[16:51] <ryanpg> I have a working PPA now with rebuilt supercollider
[16:51] <scott-work> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/supercollider
[16:51] <holstein> we've had the same thing going on with out LOCO
[16:51] <holstein> our LOCO*
[16:51] <ryanpg> also, he tells me that the new cmake build system should fix the issues with supercollider
[16:51] <holstein> we went to monthly meetings instead of bi-monthly
[16:51] <holstein> we'll see
[16:52] <ryanpg> ppa:artfwo/ppa btw
[16:52] <ryanpg> apparently artfwo was a big part of the "revolution" to jackd2
[16:53] <scott-work> is artfwo nedko  ?
[16:53] <scott-work> that's confusing
[16:53] <ryanpg> I don't think so
[16:53] <scott-work> i know someone named nedko who has worked on jack2, is he the same person as artfwo?
[16:53] <scott-work> lol you already answered my confusing question
[16:54] <ryanpg> https://launchpad.net/~artfwo I also know nedko - but yea different
[16:54] <scott-work> holstein: will you be around in an hour?  i'd like to talk some more but i really need to get some work done at work ;)
[16:54] <holstein> i should be
[16:55] <ryanpg> way OT - but what's the deal with all the .save files in /etc/apt/ in 10.10
[17:04] <ryanpg> bbl, restarting X
[18:04]  * abogani waves
[18:08] <holstein> abogani: :)
[18:09] <abogani> holstein, Hi Mike.
[18:13] <scott-work> hi abogani , are you doing okay today?
[18:14] <abogani> scott-work, Well thanks.
[18:14] <scott-work> JFo:  are we still planning on talking about kernels today?
[18:21] <jussi> scott-work: We dont normally recommend debian packages to users of ubuntu, as they can break stuff. Ive no idea how the one you mentioned is, but its bad practice in any case.
[18:22] <JFo> scott-work, sorry about that, was in a meeting
[18:22] <JFo> we can chat if you like :)
[18:22]  * holstein thought it was just mentioning where the work was happening on guitarix
[18:22] <scott-work> jussi: i shall refrain from doing that in the future then, thank you for making me aware of the potential problem :)
[18:23] <jussi> scott-work: no probs, always glad to help if I can. :)
[18:23] <scott-work> JFo: oh, no problem for me, i've been quite busy with the usual "monday morning" events even though it's tuesday :)
[18:24] <JFo> heh, same here
[18:24] <JFo> had 2 meetings that weren't on my calendar before that last one
[18:24] <JFo> ,-death by meeting
[18:24] <scott-work> JFo: did you want to discuss this with some of the other kernel members?
[18:25] <scott-work> lol, yeah, i get the "we have a problem we need to solve right NOW" meetings as well :)
[18:25] <scott-work> argh, i had wanted to start working on team reports already for ubuntu studio and keep putting it off :P
[18:25] <JFo> scott-work, we can if you like, but I have been given some guidance on the subject of -rt, -preempt or -lowlatency kernels
[18:25] <scott-work> JFo: sweet :)
[18:26] <scott-work> i'm good just talking to you
[18:26] <JFo> want to talk here about it or in a private wondow?
[18:26] <JFo> window rather
[18:26] <scott-work> whichever you feel is appropriate :)
[18:28] <scott-work> holstein: would you like to continue some of our previous converstaion about meetings and wiki pages?
[18:28] <holstein> sure
[18:29] <scott-work> you were mentioning your loco meetings and i thought there might be a tangent you wanted to explore in relation to ubuntu studio :)
[18:30] <holstein> i just think it might be a good idea to log the progess
[18:30] <holstein> we've just been plugging through them
[18:30] <holstein> meetings
[18:30] <holstein> and it shows that something is going on
[18:30] <holstein> and folks do go and check the logs
[18:31] <holstein> more than i though would at least
[18:31] <holstein> scott-work: maybe we could just schedule one?
[18:31] <holstein> a meeting
[18:31] <holstein> and i could get a little louder about it over in OSM's
[18:31] <holstein> get those ubuntu folk here maybe
[18:32] <holstein> scott-work: but i know your busy too
[18:33] <scott-work> holstein: oh, i could certainly make time for a meeting :)
[18:34] <holstein> what was the normal thing?
[18:34] <holstein> monthly?
[18:34] <holstein> then we could talk about wiki's and what not then
[18:34] <holstein> maybe establish a line of communication with myself and the list
[18:35] <holstein> and i can figure out where to put some of that information we talked about
[18:37] <scott-work> holstein: yes, it tended to be monthly as best as we could ;)
[18:44] <scott-work> holstein: the other thing we were discussing was the wiki pages, if you want to start a wiki page that'd be oustanding, i'll add what i can as well :)
[18:45] <holstein> scott-work: mabye i can just find one that already existing and update
[18:45] <holstein> or add to it
[18:46] <holstein> but, im totally on board for that
[21:24] <scott-work> it's kind of surprising that an email about gnome-network-admin being fixed didn't receive any replies :/
[21:25] <scott-work> i would have thought many people would be estatic about it
[21:28] <abogani> scott-work, I never received an reply on my emails about -rt in three years. So I suspect that this is the "normal" behavior. :-)
[23:37]  * persia doesn't know of any licensing issues with supercollider
[23:40] <persia> Ah: found it.  There used to be lots of issues (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454257 ), which I believe upstream has mostly fixed, but nobody has done the work to get it back in the repositories.
[23:40] <holstein> persia: good news


[15:23] <gardar> fixed it by editing the database directly, since there didn't seem to be any other way
[21:19] <thaulow> Hello everyone! IS there any easy way to change network bond in MaaS after deployment?


[13:05] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[19:49] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting in around 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[21:07] <vmlintu> highvoltage: are you around?
[21:33] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I am indeed
[21:36] <vmlintu> great.. I just read the logs from the debian-edu meeting and realised that uds is coming soon
[21:37] <vmlintu> I started thinking if I should finally attend and try to actually get involved in something
[21:38] <highvoltage> that would be great
[21:39] <vmlintu> are there any plans for the next cycle yet? ideas? dreams?
[21:40] <highvoltage> they're being formed, there are some things I'd certainly like to see improve
[21:40] <highvoltage> ltsp live still needs some work
[21:41] <highvoltage> if I could even just get the race with network manager fixed that would already be a win
[21:41] <vmlintu> I've been just stuck with puavo development so I have no idea what is coming with natty
[21:42] <highvoltage> natty turned out to be quite good (I didn't really expect that, it was quite a bumpy ride with early alphas)
[21:44] <vmlintu> do you know yet who are attending uds?
[21:46] <highvoltage> not exactly. I expect to be there. stgraber too
[21:46] <alkisg> highvoltage: race with the network manager? meaning?
[21:46] <vmlintu> there's also linuxtag in berlin during the same week
[21:46] <alkisg> For 2 nic systems, you can set eth1 to "manual" in /etc/network/interfaces, then network-manager won't touch it
[21:47] <highvoltage> alkisg: if you start ltsp-live before network manager has settled down, then network manager resets the IP as set by LTSP live
[21:47] <alkisg> highvoltage: on 1 nic systems or 2?
[21:47] <highvoltage> alkisg: either
[21:47] <alkisg> highvoltage: need any help? I've looked into that
[21:48] <alkisg> Either from /etc/network/interfaces, with manual, or in /etc/networkmanager/system-connections, define a connection you want
[21:48] <highvoltage> alkisg: I know what needs to be done, we can basically ask network manager what its status is. I just haven't had time to do it this scycle
[21:48] <highvoltage> *cycle
[21:49] <alkisg> OK. Instead of asking, you can tell network manager to set a connection as you want it
[21:49] <alkisg> And since it uses inotify, you can just drop a file there
[21:49] <alkisg> And it'll instantly be used
[21:49] <alkisg> For single nic systems I'd propose proxydhcp
[21:51] <highvoltage> alkisg: yeah, I remember we discussed that before, but I just haven't had time for that. I'd like to give the  option to either proxydhcp, or start dhcpd on an alias
[21:51] <alkisg> No need for aliases
[21:51] <alkisg> Network manager supports multiple ips
[21:52] <highvoltage> multiple ips without aliases? how does that work?
[21:52] <alkisg> The aliases along with ifconfig are the old framework
[21:52] <alkisg> The new one that corresponds to `ip` can handle multiple IPs on each interface without aliases
[21:53] <alkisg> Don't know the theory there, just the tools
[21:53] <highvoltage> ok, that's interesting.
[21:53] <vmlintu> do you have any links for examples?
[21:53] <alkisg> Supported since linux 2.6 i think
[21:53] <alkisg> Network manager has a GUI for it
[21:53] <alkisg> Just add another IP
[21:53] <alkisg> Then, ifconfig won't show that ip
[21:53] <alkisg> But ip addr show will show it
[21:53] <alkisg> (ifconfig doesn't speak the new framework)
[21:54] <vmlintu> is there some command line tool that supports it?
[21:54] <alkisg> ip
[21:55] <alkisg> It supports both adding and displaying IPs
[21:55] <vmlintu> I guess it's time to learn new things..
[21:56] <alkisg> E.g. in 2 days I'll do a demo in a lab with public IPs and without a dhcp server. My laptop will have 2 IPs there, one public one and an <IP_ADDRESS> one, where it will act as a dhcp server with dnsmasq.
[21:56] <alkisg> highvoltage: so you can drop  2-3 different connections in /etc/networkmanager/system-connections
[21:57] <alkisg> 1) auto eth0 - proxydhcp
[21:57] <alkisg> 2) static eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> - normal dhcp
[21:57] <alkisg> 3) static eth0 based on the current subnet (queried with ipconfig -n) + second IP on <IP_ADDRESS> + dhcp there
[21:58] <alkisg> And let the user select one of them with just 2 clicks on the network manager applet
[22:01] <alkisg> (and it'll probably be easier if "auto eth0/auto eth1" is used first, and wait to see if there's a dhcp server around on each nic or not)
[22:01] <alkisg> 'night all
[22:35] <highvoltage> oops, missed alkis
[22:47] <wolfik> hi
[22:48] <wolfik>  i teach in gymnasium and i have 18 computers i try use oneconf but it don't work in ubuntu 10.10 if this work just in 11.04?


[08:11] <elfy> got the new settings manager here now it seems - bit of an issue - why has synaptic disappeared? I can see not having it in the manager if synaptic is going to disappear - but how come it's not in the system menu still ?
[08:12] <knome> elfy, synaptic is not in the seeds anymore
[08:12] <elfy> uninstallable completely?
[08:12] <knome> elfy, you can install it from the repositories
[08:12] <knome> no, just removed from the default xubuntu seed
[08:13] <elfy> that's not what I'm saying
[08:13] <elfy> audacious isn't in the default - install it and you get a menu item - why is synaptic not getting a menu item at all?
[08:13] <knome> i don't know. audacious being there is a bug then.
[08:14] <elfy> ?
[08:14] <knome> if audacious is not installed, then it's menu icon should not appear in the settings manager
[08:14] <knome> irs
[08:14] <knome> *its
[08:14] <elfy> knome: sorry - translation issues - I'll try again
[08:15] <knome> k
[08:15] <elfy> install audacious and it gets a menu item where you expect to see it, install synaptic and I would expect to see it in system
[08:15] <elfy> it's disappeared completely after the settings manager changes
[08:16] <elfy> does that make more sense to you :)
[08:16] <knome> yes
[08:29] <elfy> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1043151
[08:36] <knome> elfy, so, to make sure; does synaptic appear *anywhere* ?
[08:36] <elfy> no
[08:36] <knome> ok, good
[08:37] <elfy> oh hang on
[08:37] <elfy> it's been disabled if you go to alacarte
[08:37] <elfy> and doesn't let you re-enable it
[08:38] <elfy> I'll add that info to the bug report
[08:38] <knome> yup
[08:40] <elfy> k - done
[08:42] <knome> thanks
[09:03] <knome> pleia2, uhuh
[09:08] <olbi> hello
[09:08] <olbi> some1 know if Linux 3.6 will be in final release?
[09:10] <knome> kernelfreeze is on oct 4, but xubuntu uses the kernel ubuntu has, so better ask somewhere else, like #ubuntu-kernel
[09:10] <knome> but i don't think major release upgrade is going to happen at this time
[09:19] <mr_pouit> mmh, is it a big deal if synaptic is missing?
[09:19] <mr_pouit> Any desktop file with Category=Settings;PackageManager;System; will be missing anyway
[09:20] <knome> hey mr_pouit :)
[09:21] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I can blacklist desktop files (<Filename>foo.desktop</Filename>), or categories, or almost anything
[09:21] <mr_pouit> hey there
[09:21] <elfy> mr_pouit: well it is if you install it and then it disappears :)
[09:28] <mr_pouit> yeah, I'll fix that
[09:28] <elfy> as long as that doesn't mean remove it from the repos :D
[09:29] <elfy> I perfectly understand and agree with it not being in the settings manager - makes complete sense
[09:36] <smartboyhw> knome: Nice wallpaper on the email you just sent
[09:38] <knome> mr_pouit, bug #1043176
[09:38] <knome> mr_pouit, bug #1043170
[09:40] <mr_pouit> thanks
[09:40] <knome> anything else you need?
[09:42] <mr_pouit> knome: can you get on your table and dance?
[09:42] <mr_pouit> so, no, it's ok :P
[09:42] <knome> mr_pouit, if we get to fix greybird, i'll do that
[09:44] <mr_pouit> oh right
[09:45] <mr_pouit> ochosi: you could file a bug against xserver-xorg in ubuntu about that issue, then knome can poke them :P (the maintainers might know which component changed/why it does that and that may help ofourdan too)
[09:46] <knome> yes, i can
[09:52] <ochosi> basically i think we should forward/link the upstream bugreport
[09:53] <mr_pouit> elfy: http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/misc/xfce-applications.menu << in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus, or ~/.config/menus, and tell me if it's better. Thanks! :P
[09:55] <elfy> appears in menu adding it to ~/.config/menus
[09:55] <elfy> looks fine
[09:56] <elfy> mr_pouit: you want me to check in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus as well ?
[09:56] <mr_pouit> no no, it's ok, thanks
[09:56] <elfy> ok :)
[09:57] <knome> mr_pouit, hmm, so, do you need a bug for uploading new elementary-xfce ?
[09:57] <mr_pouit> no, there's already one used by ochosi and bluesabre afaik
[09:58] <knome> ok...
[09:58] <ochosi> yup
[09:58] <knome> # ?
[09:58] <ochosi> it's set to fix committed
[09:58] <knome> ok
[09:58] <ochosi> knome: it's linked in the blueprint
[09:58] <ochosi> my connectivity is rly low here atm
[09:58] <knome> ok, good
[09:58] <knome> that was what i was looking for
[09:59] <knome> i think the slideshow is ready
[10:16] <knome> those who want to test the new xubuntu slideshow, clone https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[10:16] <knome> there's a README how to get it running, but basically it's "install zenity" and "run ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu"
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Tested it and looks great. Thanks knome
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Actually we don't need to install zenity, it is normally included (except if you removed it)
[10:24] <knome> in some release it wasn't, becuase i remember having to install it
[10:25] <smartboyhw> But even in the README it says that it should be installed...
[10:25] <smartboyhw> (Note: needs zenity, which is probably already installed). in README
[10:26] <knome> whatever
[10:26] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:33] <olbi> some1 could zip these files and host it? :) I dont want to install bzr now :P
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Why?
[10:34] <olbi> becasue this is my working machine, testing is in home already :P
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Wait
[10:37] <smartboyhw> olbi: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-b3529a7e.html
[10:38] <olbi> thx :)
[10:39] <smartboyhw> ;)
[13:28] <olbi> strange errors have
[13:28] <olbi> (zenity:13042): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1679:17: Junk at end of value
[13:28] <smartboyhw> olbi: What?
[13:28] <olbi> when running these slides
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Weird, i only get font warnings
[13:30] <olbi> i run it on Ubuntu 11.10
[13:41] <ochosi> olbi: most likely too old gtk3
[13:41] <ochosi> (most likely == i'm pretty sure)
[13:41] <olbi> hmm, think so :P
[13:42] <olbi> I presume that in system couldn't be gtk2 and gtk3?
[13:53] <bluesabre> 11.10 was using gtk 3.2, right?  That was like, brand new
[13:59] <olbi> yep, 3.2 it is
[19:52] <knome> mr_pouit, status with elementary-xfce and the new panel layout?
[19:56] <knome> mr_pouit, also, what's the stance on bug #1005785
[21:54] <ochosi> knome: but #1005785 was postponed due to lack of space :/
[21:54] <ochosi> s/but/bug/
[21:54] <knome> ochosi, oh, ok
[21:55] <knome> then why is it new/linked?
[21:59] <ochosi> i think it was kinda "postponed", you know...
[21:59] <knome> heh
[21:59] <knome> if you don't want to change the bug status, then unlink it so it doesn't appear in the Q work items
[22:01] <knome> Book_em_Dano, o hai
[22:02] <pleia2> oh bother, spamtastic wiki
[22:02] <knome> haha
[22:02] <knome> spamtastic knome
[22:02] <knome> hey pleia2
[22:02] <knome> you have time now? :]
[22:02] <pleia2> no, getting the wiki sorted, then back to work
[22:03] <knome> bah
[22:03] <knome> so, kick out knome?
[22:03] <pleia2> knome is fine
[22:03] <knome> ;)
[22:04] <knome> are you saying i'm not working hard enough?!
[22:04]  * pleia2 gives knome a gold star
[22:04] <knome> hehe
[22:04] <knome> not platinum?
[22:05] <pleia2> maybe later
[22:05] <knome> ha
[22:05] <knome> i just fixed most of "internet and networks"
[22:05] <knome> as you probably noticed
[23:30] <pleia2> I accidentally nuked the RecentChanges page and didn't have backups
[23:30] <pleia2> sorry about that
[23:30]  * pleia2 loses 20 sysadmin points
[23:31] <pleia2> but the spam is gone, I'll keep an eye on it
[23:34] <knome> doh
[23:34] <knome> :)
[23:35] <pleia2> and I'm making backups now ;)
[23:39] <knome> hah
[23:50] <knome> pleia2, reference to synaptic https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#Installing packages without an Internet connection
[23:51] <pleia2> yeah well, that's because it's a poorly maintained wiki :)
[23:51] <knome> o'rly
[23:51] <pleia2> we should all just use the arch wiki
[23:51] <knome> hah


[08:23] <sakrecoer[m]> I backported to adour6, and today I get an update for ardour5... Seemingly not installed anymore ... Is this something I should be concerned about?
[08:35] <sakrecoer[m]> Oh well... The version proposed is 1:6.0.0~ds0-3~ubuntu20.04... I suppose it's just the naming in the repo that stuck... I'll go ahead and upgrade, will report back if I encounter an issue
[10:19] <zmagii> Is there a playback sound level in Ardour (as opposed to a sound level used for export/bouncing)?
[10:19] <zmagii> I managed to get everything working that I was struggling with, apart from the fact that I have to set the sound to -20db for playback.
[10:19] <zmagii> Then, when I bounce, I set it back to 0db and then everything in the exported WAV is correct.
[10:21] <zmagii> At 0db my laptop speakers or headphones just make crazy static sounds due to maxing out. Note that this is not the actual volume in ubuntustudio-utilities but the playback in Ardour.
[10:21] <zmagii> If I open a music file on my filesystem and play that back, then everything works as expected without changing my headphone volume.
[11:46] <vlt> zmagii: You could just use a different channel for playback.
[11:46] <vlt> zmagii: A bus or something you route your master output to.
[15:31] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[m]: known issue passed to ubuntu from debian if you wish to file a bug report, do so on the debian package
[15:33] <OvenWerks> zmagii: those are two separate audio systems. The answer is to use qasmixer to set your output levels rather pavucontrol.
[15:34] <OvenWerks> s/rather/rather than/
[18:12] <Jokersloose> Hello all. I am hoping someone can help me.


[19:56] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:18] <olly> morning
[21:36] <atamira> good morning
[21:36] <atamira> such a beautiful day up here in auckland today
[21:42] <ibeardslee> pretty lovely in wellington as well
[21:47] <chilts> but cold
[21:47] <chilts> better lovely and cold, than warm and wet though
[21:47] <chilts> go on, take that out of context! :)
[22:08] <ibeardslee> I'd rather be lovely and warm with the sun on my face, a nice cold beer in my hand, a book in my other hand, some gentle music in the background and my cat on my lap.
[22:27] <mwhudson> morning


[04:28] <pleia2> the UWN draft is pretty much just full of omgubuntu links :\
[04:29] <pleia2> working on pruning this and bringing in some others
[04:47] <pleia2> skellat: love your podcast idea for monday :)