[00:41] <pullies> hi, i'm trying out ensemble but when running `ensemble status` i get an Invalid SSH key message
[00:42] <pullies> i have specified authorized-keys-path in my environment (that's what let me run bootstrap in the first place)
[00:43] <pullies> this is when using the ppa, btw.
[00:43] <pullies> any advice?
[00:51] <niemeyer> pullies: Hey there
[00:51] <niemeyer> pullies: Hmmm
[00:53] <niemeyer> pullies: What's the content of the file you're pointing at with the authorized-keys-path?
[00:55] <niemeyer> pullies: It usually gets that automatically from your ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub or ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub files
[00:55] <niemeyer> pullies: Did you have these when you were seeing the error earlier?
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx_> niemeyer: who creates id_{dsa|.pub
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx_> niemeyer: who creates id_{dsa|rsa}.pub
[00:58] <RoAkSoAx_> in the zookeeper?
[00:58] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx_: deploy does
[00:58] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx_: It serializes with the environment
[01:02] <RoAkSoAx_> niemeyer: ok cool, cause I was encountering situations on which the zookeeper complaint about the keys but there were no keys
[01:03] <RoAkSoAx_> niemeyer: err was looking for keys, but there were no keys
[01:03] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx_: Ok.. pullies was just reporting a similar issue above
[01:03] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx_: Maybe that's the problem
[01:03] <niemeyer> pullies: Have you deployed something?  That could be the issue
[01:03] <niemeyer> We should handle that bootstrapping phase better in that sense
[01:05] <RoAkSoAx_> niemeyer: but in my cause, after bootstrapping the zookeeper dones't have any .pub keys created
[11:22] <hazmat> g'morning
[11:46] <fwereade> heya hazmat :)
[12:22] <pullies> sorry, i disappeared for the night, as you could probably tell.  ;-)  i have deployed nothing.
[12:22] <pullies> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
[12:22] <pullies> (a base64 encoded string which i won't paste here)
[12:22] <pullies> -----END RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
[12:26]  * hazmat has to give an ensemble presentation tonight, but his laptop does a kernel panic everytime it sleeps
[12:26] <hazmat> sadness
[12:46] <fwereade> did something about how we handle $PYTHONPATH change?
[12:47] <hazmat> fwereade, no.. not in a very long time
[12:47] <fwereade> hazmat: ok, I'm doing something dumb then :)
[12:47] <hazmat> fwereade, there is a new bug open about pythonpath being set for hooks which it probably shouldn't be
[12:47] <hazmat> fwereade, what's the sympton?
[12:48] <fwereade> I set PYTHONPATH, run bin/ensemble, and it still picks up the system version
[12:48] <hazmat> fwereade, a system version (ppa install) of ensemble?
[12:48] <fwereade> hazmat: yep
[12:49] <hazmat> fwereade, is it ppa or a manual installation via sudo setup.py install?
[12:49] <fwereade> ppa
[12:49] <hazmat> fwereade, i'd suggest first removing the package
[12:50] <hazmat> PYTHONPATH=$PWD python -c "import ensemble; print ensemble"
[12:50] <hazmat> is a quick verification of the import path for ensemble
[12:51] <hazmat> er.. PYTHONPATH=$PWD:$PYTHONPATH  is probably better
[12:51] <hazmat> for real usage
[12:51] <fwereade> hazmat: that appears to work
[12:51] <fwereade> hazmat: anyway, don't worry, all I really needed was verification that it we me being stupid ;)
[12:52] <hazmat> fwereade, path problems hit all of us one time or another..
[12:54]  * fwereade is reassured ;)
[12:58] <hazmat> fwereade, btw, when your the second reviewer on a branch, you should adjust the merge proposal status (at the top) if both the reviews are approve, then approved, else work in progress.
[12:59]  * hazmat dog walks, bbiab
[13:01] <fwereade> hazmat: cool, thanks
[13:02] <fwereade> hazmat: I think I may have thought it happened by magic :p
[13:02] <pullies> sorry, a little context would probably help.  last night i reported an error that `ensemble status` gives an Invalid SSH key message when i specify my authorized-keys-path in environment
[13:03] <hazmat> pullies, so you have the path to your ssh key in 'authorized-keys-path' in the provider section of the environment?
[13:04] <hazmat> pullies, and yes the context helps ;-)
[13:05] <pullies> hazmat, i have a path to my ssh key in environments.sample.authorized-keys-path
[13:05] <hazmat> pullies, looking at the code, it looks like the path is a misnomer :-( it wants the name of a file in the .ssh directory
[13:05] <pullies> AHA
[13:05] <hazmat> pullies, if your up for it please file a bug that this is misleading/confusing regarding the name and usage of this setting
[13:06] <pullies> hazmat, where's the bug tracker?
[13:06] <pullies> launchpad?
[13:06] <hazmat> http://launchpad.net/ensemble
[13:07] <hazmat> pullies, your going to need to shutdown and bootstrap again, we need the ssh key active for doing any connection from the cli to the ensemble setup
[13:07] <hazmat> pullies, so your saying you where able to bootstrap with an invalid key?
[13:07] <hazmat> s/where/were
[13:07] <hazmat> that's also a problem/bug
[13:07] <hazmat> if so
[13:07] <pullies> hazmat, running the instance was successful.  i believe connecting to it was not
[13:08] <pullies> this launchpad dashboard is confusingly worded about openid
[13:08] <pullies> :-)
[13:08] <hazmat> pullies, suggestions welcome on #launchpad ;-)
[13:09] <hazmat> pullies, thanks for filing a bug, i'm heading out for a few minutes, let us know how it goes
[13:10] <pullies> still the same error message
[13:11] <pullies> i'm assuming "the ssh directory" is ~/.ssh
[13:11] <pullies> ?
[13:14] <_mup_> Bug #819803 was filed: authorized-keys-path is actually a filename, not a path. <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/819803 >
[13:17] <pullies> hazmat, it's possible that ssh access hasn't been enabled for the security group, poking around at ec2 docs.  can you confirm that this is a necessary precondition that ensemble doesn't take care of?
[13:31] <hazmat> pullies, ensemble does indeed take care of ec2 security groups
[13:31] <hazmat> pullies, it takes a minute or two for the instance to be up and responding
[13:31] <hazmat> pullies, actually it does look like it will try either a full path or a name
[13:32] <pullies> i've skipped the ensemble part.
[13:32] <hazmat> pullies, it looks like you would get a LookupError
[13:32] <pullies> i'm trying to use the keypair itself
[13:32] <hazmat> not an invalid ssh key error, if it couldn't find the key
[13:32] <pullies> to make sure i can login
[13:32] <pullies> and i can't.
[13:33] <pullies> ssh -i ~/.ssh/mykey.pem<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:33] <pullies> that should succeed, yes?
[13:33] <pullies> ssh -v is telling me that it reads the rsa private key
[13:34] <pullies> "authentications that can continue: public key" is issued twice
[13:34] <pullies> i'm a bit confused why i can't ssh directly in
[13:35] <hazmat> pullies, the ssh key is specified for ensemble is the public key, not the private key
[13:35] <hazmat> pullies, do you have an id_[dsa|rsa].pub in ~/.ssh ?
[13:36] <pullies> amazon only gave me a .pem file to download
[13:36] <hazmat> pullies, ensemble  doesn't use that
[13:36] <hazmat> pullies, try ssh-keygen -t rsa
[13:36] <pullies> will generate a local key and try that
[13:36] <pullies> :-)  duh.
[13:37] <pullies> thanks
[13:37] <hazmat> pullies, you can remove the authorized-keys-path as well, ensemble picks up default keys automatically if none are specified
[13:37] <fwereade> difference between orchestra and ec2: we can't easily tell whether an orchestra machine is running
[13:38] <fwereade> so get_zookeeper_machines is problematic on orchestra
[13:38] <fwereade> because it can't verify the sanity of the state it gets from FileStorage
[13:39] <fwereade> in orchestra, should we be (say) trashing state in shutdown, or should we figure out some way to query the machines and thereby match ec2 better?
[13:41] <hazmat> fwereade, orchestra doesn't know if machines it setup are running?
[13:42] <hazmat> i thought it was doing a tftp/dhcp setup, maybe that's not exposed via the api?
[13:42] <fwereade> hazmat: nope, you can theoretically query power status
[13:43] <fwereade> but that's acted weird for me
[13:43] <fwereade> and that still doesn't tell us whether they're actually running, or if something went wrong part way through install (for example)
[13:43] <hazmat> fwereade, it looks like the examples specify remote power management but not status
[13:44] <fwereade> the api includes a "status" command, which AFAICT acts like an "off" command
[13:45] <hazmat> fwereade, that seems like an upstream bug if that's the case
[13:46] <hazmat> fwereade, not having any orchestra/cobbler experience, i'm not sure what the options are. but if the zk pointer file is invalid, the whole thing basically breaks down.
[13:46] <niemeyer> Hey guys!
[13:46] <fwereade> hazmat: I'm assuming for now that it's something I'm doing wrong, I tend to defer to RoAkSoAx_ for the final word on these things
[13:46] <hazmat> niemeyer, top of the morning
[13:47] <fwereade> heya niemeyer
[13:47] <fwereade> hazmat: it's fine if provider-state is borked, on ec2, because we can check machine status
[13:47] <fwereade> hazmat: we bootstrap if there's no state, or if the state is nonsensical => probably already shut down
[13:47] <hazmat> fwereade, well on ec2 we always intersect the two provider state against machine status, becuase we need the ip resolution
[13:48] <niemeyer> hazmat: balance to you my friend
[13:48] <fwereade> hazmat: maybe that's the intent, I'm just telling you what I could infer from the code :)
[13:48] <hazmat> fwereade, yup, indeed that's the case.. orchestra is a different beast a bit
[13:49] <pullies> hazmat, now this is progress
[13:49] <pullies> 2011-08-02 09:48:45,857 ERROR SSH forwarding error: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. Permission denied (publickey).
[13:49] <niemeyer> hazmat, fwereade Got the conversation mid-way through, but it sounds sensible to trash state on shutdown
[13:49] <niemeyer> I'd rather rename shutdown to destroy-environment, but that's another topic
[13:49] <hazmat> pullies, if you modify/change the key, you'll need to ensemble shutdown && ensemble bootstrap
[13:49] <pullies> this is after doing that
[13:50] <pullies> and i've removed the path from environments.yaml
[13:51] <niemeyer> pullies: Have you run deploy already?
[13:51] <hazmat> pullies, so if you do ec2-describe-instances do you see the instance running (the security group should match the environment name prefixed with 'ensemble-')
[13:51] <fwereade> niemeyer: cool, that feels like it would make life easier on my side and do no harm to ec2
[13:51] <niemeyer> Well, I guess it doesn't really matter actually
[13:51] <niemeyer> fwereade: Agreed
[13:51] <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. failure to connect precludes deploy
[13:52] <niemeyer> hazmat: I was thinking that the key is serialized with the env, which happens at deploy
[13:52] <niemeyer> hazmat: But that's something else.. we need a key there to connect to zk in the first place
[13:52] <hazmat> pullies, you should be able to ssh into the machine using  directly using ssh ubuntu@ec2-host-name
[13:52] <hazmat> niemeyer, the public key is sent at launch time via cloud-init
[13:52] <hazmat> niemeyer, its not stored in zk
[13:53] <pullies> hazmat, the dashboard shows the machine.
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: It is stored in zk during deploy
[13:53] <hazmat> niemeyer, the environment is yes
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: Otherwise how would it be in cloud-init for the other machines
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: The keys
[13:53] <hazmat> niemeyer, totally
[13:53] <hazmat> but not for the bootstrap
[13:53] <niemeyer> hazmat: Yes, I guess that's what I said above?
[13:53] <hazmat> yup
[13:53] <hazmat> :-)
[13:55] <hazmat> pullies, so what'd i'd like to verify is from the cli you can log into that machine via ssh, if you didn't rename the ssh key, it should just pick up the private side of the same default
[13:56] <hazmat> ssh will try a few from what it finds in ~/.ssh
[13:58] <pullies> i generated the key twice.  it's possible something is cached in either my client or theirs.  will have to log out and try again
[13:58] <pullies> will attempt it tonight
[13:58] <pullies> thanks for the help.  will definitely focus on the ssh portion, i don't think it's ensemble at this point
[14:11] <niemeyer> statik: Morning
[14:12] <statik> morning niemeyer
[14:16] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: howdy!!
[14:17] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: heyhey!
[14:17] <fwereade> ow's it going?
[14:17] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: pretty good, you?
[14:17] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: pretty good thanks :)
[14:17] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: and I got netboot 9% working on my cobbler, too
[14:18] <fwereade> shadow-trunk is up to date, and might even work for you now ;)
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: cool, where are you stuck?
[14:18] <fwereade> er, that should have been a 99% up there :)
[14:18] <fwereade> the ubuntu-orchestra-client install
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: cool, I'm actually pulling your branch to test now
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: you mean the variable?
[14:19] <RoAkSoAx_> on the preseed?
[14:19] <fwereade> (1) it asks for an rsyslog server, and then cannot fails with "cannot stat /var/something/puppet"
[14:19] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: show me the line in the preseed
[14:19] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: yeah, I remember you telling me to "just comment it out for now" a while ago, so that's what I did
[14:20] <fwereade> can't copy from VM, but it's the pkgsel one as copied from your mail
[14:20] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: is the creation of the cloud-init data fixed?
[14:20] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: I *think* so
[14:21] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: I now generate something that actually looks like a working EC2 one
[14:21] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: ok, gonna test now then ;)
[14:21] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: the precise details of how I screwed it up the first time are far to embarrassing to relate :p
[14:21] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: sweet, tyvm
[14:22] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: hehe its all good
[14:31] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: hm, I seem to be getting "204 No Content"s from webdav, which I wasn't before, but it all works (apart from the error, heh)
[14:32] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: on the orchestra server, what's in /var/lib/webdav
[14:32] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: the right stuff
[14:33] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: formulas dir and provider-state?
[14:33] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: no but yes (I haven't got a formulas dir at the moment, but the right content was written to provider-state)
[14:35] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: mkdir -p /var/lib/webdav/formulas && chown -R www-data:www-data /var/lib/webdav/formulas
[14:36] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: ok, so bootstrapping works, ensemble status doesn't
[14:37] <fwereade> awesome! I haven't even thought about what status does, so that's the progress I wanted :)
[14:38] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: ok, in orchestra means that was related to having @property def _machines:
[14:38] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: indeed, and my understanding was that that was something you wanted to defer until the sprint
[14:38] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: but anywa,s what's the last thing merged there and what was left to "separate" from the old bootstrap-orchestra branch?
[14:38] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: i wanna have it working though
[14:39] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: sounds good to me
[14:39] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: were we going with "stick it into ks_meta" for now?
[14:39] <fwereade> last thing merged into shadow-trunk is cobbler-launch-machine
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: so what;'s missing, the shutdown stuff?
[14:39] <fwereade> cobbler-kill-machine is WIP
[14:40] <fwereade> bootstrap-verify-storage is an unrelated bug I picked up lest I spin my wheels on monday, and that should be good soon
[14:40] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: alright, so I;ll re-read your branch and try to identify what'[s missing from the things I wanted to do
[14:41] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: I plan to make one more change -- to treat 204 as success (as I think is correct: processed successfully, doesn't feel it needs to return any content)
[14:42] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: I haven't seen that, where did you see that?
[14:42] <RoAkSoAx_> ort in what situation
[14:42] <fwereade> I seem to be getting that every time I PUT provider-state to webdav
[14:42] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: i haven't seen anything
[14:43] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: make sure the formulas dir is there and restart apache2 and see if it keeps throwing that error
[14:43] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: is the default storage-url also in?
[14:43] <fwereade> well, it's not an error, it seems like a perfectly legitimate response: "yep, cool, I've handled your request and I have nothing more to tell you, but here's a fresh etag maybe"
[14:44] <fwereade> but twisted getPage seems to consider "not 200" == "something happened, raise an exception"
[14:45] <fwereade> I'll bounce apache anyway, but I think what'll fix it is deleting provider-state, I'll let you know in 5
[14:45] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: nah nothing will delete provider-state
[14:45] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: you'd have to do it manually in orther to be able to bootstrap again
[14:46] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: what I'm doing is setting it to {} on shutdown
[14:47] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: and, yes, if I overwrite I get 204, if I trash it manually I get 200
[14:47] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx_: overwrite is perfectly reaonable behaviour, I'll just make sure ensemble understands that
[14:47] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: i don't think we would need to delete provider-state on shutdown
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx_> fwereade: remember that we are dealing with physical hw
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx_> and it is expensive
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx_> to be installing every time we want a zookeeper
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx_> when we already have one
[14:48] <fwereade> hm, I thought that ensemble shutdown was intended to wipe out the whole environment -- inverse of bootstrap
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: that's one of the things I'm also planning to address.
[14:49] <fwereade> that's what it seems to do on EC2 anyway :)
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: yes, on ec2 is non-expensive because you can fire up instances or destroy them on demand
[14:49] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: heh, ok
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but in real hardware is not the same approach
[14:50] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: I've been working under the assumption that I should mirror ec2 behaviour as closely as possible
[14:51] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: at least for now ;)
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: yes, but I think things like that
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> can be avoided for now
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: I mean, wiping out provider-state is a super minor change
[14:51] <RoAkSoAx> and I don't think it is necessary
[14:52] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: well, keeping a zookeeper around is quite a major difference, it seems to me :)
[14:52] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: well... it's very convenient for me :)
[14:52] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: indeed, but again, we are dealing with real hardware in this case
[14:53] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: sysadmins *wont* install zookeepers every week to deploy environments but rather, they would keep once zookeeper up and running at all times
[14:54] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: it is expensive in many ways, 1: downtime 2. network bandwidth wasted 3. hardware is useless 4. reinstallations at all times are expensive
[14:54] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: why this works on ec2? simply becuase i can fire up/destroy instances on demand and costs 2 cents?
[14:54] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: were there's a prebuilt image
[14:55] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: heh, got you, it's the system install cost not the zookeeper install cost (right?)
[14:55] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: yes
[14:55] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: ...but we still pay the system install cost for every other machine, right?
[14:55] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: right, *but* the idea is now to figure out a way of *re-using* the machines instead
[14:55] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: and if we have a local mirror it's not going to be *that* big a difference is it?
[14:56] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: ha -- I see :)
[14:56] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: that goal has escaped me
[14:56] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: sorry :)
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: hehe but yeah having a mirror is still big difference when deploying a services
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> cause it still uses bandwdith
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> and multiplyed by lots of servers
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> it is huge
[14:57] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but yes, that's another thing that I was gonna bring up during the sprint
[14:57] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: you make a lot of sense
[14:58]  * RoAkSoAx better starts writing down all this stuff otherwise he'll forget :)
[14:58] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: it just doesn't precisely fit with what I'd understood our goals to be -- I thought we were aiming for parity with ec2 for now, and figuring out the tricky stuff at the sprint
[14:58]  * fwereade would appreciate that :)
[14:59] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: yeah we can do that if you want too
[14:59] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: dealing with VM's is as inexpensive as ec2
[14:59] <niemeyer> I seem to remember the wiki sent us to the right page after authenticating
[14:59] <niemeyer> It doesn't look like that's the case anymore
[15:00] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: well, that's my justification for what I've been doing
[15:00] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but right now, what I was persnally looking for is having it bootstrapping, deploying, etc, working (not really exactly the same as ec2, but close), so that during the sprint we could address these issues and differences with ec2
[15:00] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: I feel it's currently useful, towards that goal, even if things change as the plans firm up
[15:01] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: you don't need to justify as we didn't set any boundaries about stuff liuke these when we started
[15:01] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: that's my idea too, with the added condition of "on my local VM network"
[15:01] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: but my concern is that you might end up writing code that might be later dismissed :)
[15:01] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: deleting code is one of the great joys in life ;)
[15:02] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: hehehe alright
[15:02] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: again I don't mind you doing that, seriously, just giving you a broad view of what I have in my mind at the moment :)
[15:02] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: cool, I was worried I was going off into the weeds :)
[15:02] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: good to resync ;)
[15:03] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: nah.. either way, this things are gonna have to be discussed next week so my thoights my change given input from others
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> these*
[15:04] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: cool -- anyway, I'll handle 204s on .put() and propose launch-machine and bootstrap-verify-storage
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> fwereade: cool
[15:04] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: and that'll probably be my day, but I might be able to check in later when cath's gone to bed
[15:05] <fwereade> RoAkSoAx: I'll make sure shadow-trunk is up to date with whatever I've proposed
[15:05] <RoAkSoAx> i'll work on reviwing what would be missing from shadow-trunk in comparison to bootstrap's branch
[15:05] <fwereade> fantastic
 fwereade: i don't think we would need to delete provider-state on shutdown
 fwereade: remember that we are dealing with physical hw
 and it is expensive
[15:54] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: destroy-environment should really destroy it..
[15:55] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: I agree with you that physical hardware may make the admin act differently
[15:55] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: E.g. not destroying the environment
[15:55] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: It should be possible to terminate services and take them off the machines so that we can reuse not only the bootstrap machine but all of them
[15:55] <fwereade> everyone: I need to be away sharpish, I'm afraid
[15:55] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: But that's about _using_ the env
[15:55] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: Without destroying it
[15:56] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: Having ensemble destroy-environment not destroying it for reuse would be awkward
[15:56] <fwereade> but I have a couple of new mps, and I would appreciate reviews from one and all, eithet on those or on their various prerequisites :)
[15:56] <fwereade> enjoy your afternoons :)
[15:57] <niemeyer> I'm stepping out as well, but for lunch.. biab
[16:04] <RoAkSoAx> niemeyer: right, but from my point of view, destroy an environment should destroy everything, but leave the information from the zookeeper, so next time someone will like to bootstrap, it can detect "hey there's already a zookeeper, if it is sleeping, let's wake it up, if it is awake, let's use it"
[16:05] <RoAkSoAx> niemeyer: and that way we save ourselves from reinstalling a machine again
[16:47] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: zk is part of the environment
[16:47] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: It's actually a key part of it
[16:48] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: If one wants to save the time to redeploy zk, just don't destroy the environment
[16:48] <niemeyer> RoAkSoAx: It's a "doctor, it hurts!" case :)
[16:48] <_mup_> ensemble/states-with-principals r303 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:48] <_mup_> statebase retry topology change respects change functions which yield control.
[17:55] <niemeyer> bcsaller: How's it going with the local dev stuff?
[17:57] <bcsaller> niemeyer: I'm working on trying to add flexability to how machine assignment is done in deploy/add_unit. Those both use state.service.assign_to_unassigned_machine which clearly isn't always what we want.
[17:58] <bcsaller> niemeyer: but specifying machines in deploy/add-unit is a little at odd with the co-location spec. Its a different axis to plot unit placement on
[17:58] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Don't worry about co-location for the moment..
[17:58] <niemeyer> bcsaller: This is really a different angle of the problem
[17:58] <bcsaller> just keeping it in mind
[17:58] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Cool, that's nice
[17:59] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Hmm.. but we do have specific assignment, rigth?
[17:59] <niemeyer> bcsaller: assign_to_unassigned is just one method we have
[17:59] <bcsaller> its the only one used
[17:59] <bcsaller> in the cli
[18:00] <bcsaller> so really it becomes about providing access to other means for placement (as a starting point)
[18:01] <bcsaller> I know there is a desire down the road to say things like `ensemble add-unit -n <num> service`
[18:01] <bcsaller> but if deploy and add-unit grow syntax to support machine assignment I want it to be future friendly
[18:02] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Have you seen assign_to_machine?
[18:02] <bcsaller> yes
[18:03] <bcsaller> niemeyer: I think the issue comes in at the cli level to be clear
[18:03] <niemeyer> bcsaller: That's why I don't get the problem you're describing.. sure, we have assign_to_unassigned_mchine, which is the hard one..
[18:03] <niemeyer> bcsaller: We also have an explicit one
[18:03] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Which is easy to use
[18:03] <bcsaller> niemeyer: its literally an issue of cli syntax I'm talking about, not a coding hurdle
[18:03] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Ahh, ok
[18:04] <bcsaller> I don't want to blindly add new syntax that isn't friendly to the other efforts we have in mind
[18:04] <niemeyer> bcsaller: 100% with you
[18:05] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Hmmm
[18:07] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Here is an idea..
[18:07] <SpamapS> How is this at all relevant to local dev?
[18:07] <SpamapS> There's only one machine in local dev.
[18:07] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Let's introduce a command named "set-devel-flag"
[18:07] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Let's cover this in a moment..
[18:07] <SpamapS> Which would be "available" because it can add containers.
[18:08] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Or even better, "set-devel"
[18:08] <bcsaller> SpamapS: thats an important part of the change, but now the cli tools only look for unassigned machines so its a little more pervasive
[18:08] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Takes a json blob
[18:09] <niemeyer> bcsaller: and stores it in zookeeper, within the topology in a "devel" key
[18:09] <SpamapS> So to me, the current way, "find me an available machine" should just find you machine 0 .. your local machine. For EC2, since they can't do containers, they are unavailable as soon as they have 1 thing on them.
[18:09] <niemeyer> bcsaller: So we can experiment with different settings
[18:10] <niemeyer> SpamapS: Don't worry about it.. we're just splitting development in logical steps
[18:10] <niemeyer> SpamapS: We'll eventually give you the feature you want.
[18:10] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Or maybe it should really be "set-flag"
[18:10] <niemeyer> bcsaller: So that we can use that later
[18:11] <niemeyer> bcsaller: (rather than being specific to "development")
[18:11] <niemeyer> bcsaller: This way you can create an alternative path within the logic by consulting specific flags
[18:11] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Without altering the standard operation
[18:11] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Thoughts?
[18:11] <bcsaller> niemeyer: we could easily add arguments to deploy/add-unit that were conceptually --placement <strategy_or_plan> where it could be a machine id or the name of an available planner which could choose local, reuse, etc
[18:11] <bcsaller> as a counter proposal
[18:12] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Yes, we could, .. we'd also have to worry about getting it right.. you already spent a day thinking about it and didn't get to a good plan, so my suggestion is to get unblocked and
[18:12] <bcsaller> std ops through the code paths would all have to check those flags, which is fine, we want something like that anyway
[18:12] <niemeyer> bcsaller: have the actual goal in mind for the moment.. we can worry about neat placement strategies down the road
[18:12] <niemeyer> bcsaller: The problem we have at hand right now doesn't depend ont his
[18:12] <bcsaller> I don't need to build those now, that wasn't the point
[18:13] <niemeyer> bcsaller: That's my point! ;-0
[18:13] <bcsaller> +1
[18:14] <bcsaller> I find that syntax better than talking about setting development flags in a json bucket, but under the hook it will play out much the same from the internals of those tools
[18:14] <niemeyer> bcsaller: So every time you do deploy wordpress/mysql/etc, you'll have --placement ?
[18:14] <cole> roadmap question:  I get that ~/.ensemble/environments.yaml can be very easily modified to scale an app.  is there a framework for allowing this to be done based on some performance threshold? like memory consumed or cpu utilization / overall cluster throughput etc… ??
[18:15] <niemeyer> bcsaller: In local development there can't be anything besides --placement=local
[18:15] <niemeyer> bcsaller: So where do you store the fact placement _has_ to be local?
[18:15] <bcsaller> niemeyer: it would just default to doing with it does, "unassigned" which points to the existing method
[18:16] <bcsaller> `local` is a method that says return machine<0>
[18:16] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Ok.. that sounds good as well.. can you please describe the semantics end-to-end?
[18:16] <niemeyer> cole: We'll be with you in a sec
[18:17] <bcsaller> `ensemble deploy --placement local mysql`
[18:17] <bcsaller> `ensemble deploy --placement local wordpress`
[18:17] <bcsaller> would place two units and assigned them to the machine returned by the policy, in this case machine 0 which is the local box
[18:19] <bcsaller> internally this would replace the code in deploy and add unit that maps/find machines and does unit assignment with a callout to policy by name. If that option is an int, the machine is is resolved and used with a different policy function doing specific assignment
[18:19] <bcsaller> add-unit -n <num> --placement xxx could still be strange, with a policy it could work, with a machine id... ?
[18:19] <bcsaller> but that doesn't seem to be a blocker to me
[18:21] <hazmat> niemeyer, bcsaller unrelated to current discussion, i was looking over the co-location stuff on the ML, and was wondering if this isn't easier with the relation qualification co-located or a new relation type container, the distinguishing characteristic is that the physical placement, its odd indeed for a local co-located service to talk to an opposite end remote service. its more of a local either p2p relations between those units deployed in the s
[18:21] <hazmat> ame container, or a bus/ring container relation containing only the local units.
[18:21] <hazmat> bcsaller, that sounds good if default placement policy can derive from provider
[18:21] <niemeyer> bcsaller: We don't have to address specific assignment for the moment
[18:21] <hazmat> thus obviating the need for specifying it in hte common case
[18:21] <niemeyer> bcsaller: I want to avoid the "I want this in machine X" feature for now
[18:21] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Because it blocks other characteristics we're intrested on
[18:22] <bcsaller> niemeyer: I prefer that as well
[18:22] <niemeyer> hazmat: Sorry, I'll be with you soon.. let me unroll the stack of questions
[18:22] <niemeyer> bcsaller: Ok
[18:22] <bcsaller> niemeyer: a couple of named policies that map cli stuff to the service assignment code then is pretty simple and seems future aware
[18:23] <niemeyer> bcsaller: So --placement local sounds fine to bootstrap.. the local provider can somehow determine the default policy down the road
[18:23] <bcsaller> hazmat: it makes total sense that providers can carry code for specific policies
[18:23] <hazmat> cole, its definitely something we're thinking about, but its probably a ways out, we're currently working out how to get things like default service monitoring onto systems. in future with monitoring, and a remote api for ensemble, a user could provide scaling logic, its probably a while till ensemble provides it as a generic feature.
[18:24] <hazmat> bcsaller, not that they should per se have code, ideally it could be generic, just that they specify a default named policy
[18:24] <niemeyer> bcsaller: The point was more that we need to tweak default policy according to backend
[18:24] <bcsaller> ok
[18:24] <niemeyer> bcsaller: We don't want --placement switches on every single call on a local dev
[18:25] <cole> hazmat: thanks!  I figured as much.  I think we might be able to help in that area.  project looks like it's coming along nicely!
[18:25] <bcsaller> right
[18:25] <bcsaller> got it
[18:25] <niemeyer> bcsaller: But I see your overall plan, it's a good idea, +1
[18:25] <bcsaller> cool, I can work on a branch for that today, sounds pretty simple
[18:26] <hazmat> cole, fwiw, as is though ensemble cli already enables the ability to scale a service and automatically reconfigure clusters for the additional capacity, just not as the automated scaling bit in response to service conditions.
[18:27] <niemeyer> SpamapS: So..
[18:27] <cole> hzmat: yep, got it!
[18:27] <niemeyer> SpamapS: The way the work is being structured is this:
 1) Make multiple units work on a single machine across the board (no LXC)
 2) Make local deployments work with one or multiple units (no LXC)
 3) Make LXC work to deploy units locally (doesn't matter if EC2 can't do it yet)
[18:28] <niemeyer> SpamapS: bcsaller is working on step (1) still (he started yesterday :-)
[18:29] <SpamapS> Cool, I had a branch that did 1 with --machine $machine_id .. tho it was failing tests last I checked.
[18:31] <niemeyer> SpamapS: That's exactly the context of the conversation.. I don't want to nail the problem of specific assignment for the moment.. there are other approaches we can take for that (resource interest, service proximity, etc), and it's really unrelated to the core problem we're solving for local development
[18:31] <niemeyer> SpamapS: So I had one suggestion, and bcsaller has a better suggestion which we'll go down with.. --placement local..
[18:32] <niemeyer> SpamapS: This is a trivial bootstrap process that keeps the complex problems for latter
[18:32] <niemeyer> later
[18:32] <bcsaller> SpamapS: where using a local provider would change the default placement policy for you
[18:36] <SpamapS> ACK
[18:37] <hazmat> niemeyer, although placement considering the service to be deployed (resource interest, service proximity)  will need to receive it as part of the placement api
[18:37] <niemeyer> hazmat: Ok, re. co-location.. I agree the flag on the relation is probably all we need
[18:37] <niemeyer> hazmat: I don't see it as being special, though
[18:38] <niemeyer> hazmat: These relations still need well defined interfaces
[18:38] <hazmat> niemeyer, yeah.. well its not clear that a local co-located service needs to have any access to the remote units
[18:38] <niemeyer> hazmat: They don't _have_ to
[18:38] <hazmat> er. its opposite end
[18:38] <niemeyer> hazmat: But they should be _able_ to
[18:39] <niemeyer> hazmat: re. the placement point above, yes, I'm not trying to define how that's going to work right no
[18:39] <niemeyer> w
[18:39] <niemeyer> hazmat: Was rather just mentioning there are additional things we'll want to talk about and understand when sorting this actual issue
[18:39] <niemeyer> hazmat: The problem we have at hand right now is much simpler, though
[18:39] <hazmat> indeed
[18:42] <hazmat> okay.. i did some reviews and security work today, switching tracks i'm going to do a presentation tonight at a local python user group, going to prep for that
[18:43] <niemeyer> hazmat: Cool.. I'll switch to reviews.. is there something blocking you on that front?
[18:43] <niemeyer> I'd like to sort all of William's branches today, hopefully
[18:45] <hazmat> niemeyer, nope.. i've just been going through william's branches.. on the security front, the integration work is coming along, i've reworked the interfaces a few times, most recently to enable us to turn off security by default for tests (default for now is enabled), still a little bit of refactoring to do on the policy.. i'm trying to finish the end to end so i can fix up policy-rules branch based on better knowledge of its application.
[18:45] <niemeyer> hazmat: Cool
[19:08] <niemeyer> Huge wind storm here today
[19:11] <jcastro> how do you move between VTs in the tmux thing when you're in debug mode?
[19:17] <hazmat> jcastro, ctrl-a
[19:18] <hazmat> is the escape sequence, tmux config in debug-mode is setup to emulate screen
[19:19] <jcastro> ah, been spoiled by byobu I guess, heh
[19:19]  * jcastro finishes up his ensemble screencast
[19:27] <niemeyer> jcastro: We hope to use byobu again at some point
[19:27] <jcastro> easy to forget how spoiled I was
[19:27] <niemeyer> jcastro: kirkland is working on a set of configs for tmux, and hopefully we can also bring screen back in the future
[20:18] <hazmat> niemeyer, any progress on the repo work?
[20:18] <hazmat> just using the principia-tools to setup a demo.. and thinking ick
[20:20] <niemeyer> hazmat: None..
[20:21] <niemeyer> hazmat: Stuck on reviews, interviews, conversations, etc
[20:21] <niemeyer> hazmat: Hoping to get to it this week still
[20:59] <SpamapS> Ok I just uploaded txzookeeper 0.8.0 to oneiric.. and will upload trunk shortly as well.
[21:00] <SpamapS> hazmat: If there's anything minor I can do to make principia less "ick" .. let me know. I've tried to make it a little better of late. :-P
[21:00] <SpamapS> hazmat: don't want to spend much time on it though.. :)
[21:01] <hazmat> SpamapS, i appreciate the work on it, just wishing for a repository to obviate the need for additional tools to deploy
[21:01] <SpamapS> hazmat: exactly
[21:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'd like a better repo too.. principia is.. well a nice experiment. :()
[21:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: note that there's a 'princpia update' command now.. which pulls a new list of formulas
[21:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: and some of the commands have --help
[21:03] <jcastro> SpamapS: what!
[21:03] <jcastro> where?
[21:03] <hazmat> SpamapS, if i had to capture in one line the three things to make the dev story better.. it would be "local dev, no formula revs, pre-allocate machines"
[21:03] <SpamapS> jcastro: in the ppa
[21:03] <jcastro> oh man
[21:03] <SpamapS> jcastro: sudo apt-get install principia-tools
[21:03] <jcastro> I totally missed that
[21:03] <hazmat> SpamapS, getall by itself seems to do the trick of updating (mr seems to do it)
[21:03] <jcastro> also, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rl7wTlUqkY
[21:03] <SpamapS> hazmat: getall calls update :)
[21:03] <hazmat> well of grabbing new formulas
[21:03] <hazmat> nice :-)
[21:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, was that a good summation of things? or are there others that get top billing?
[21:04] <SpamapS> hazmat: yeah definitely.. though I have to say, the formula dev story is already pretty damn good.. our standards just keep going up. :)
[21:05] <hazmat> SpamapS, indeed, but precious seconds get lost, and turned into minutes.. we keep getting busier ;-)
[21:06] <hazmat> i think i figured out a quick way to pre-allocate machines, but the allocation doesn't take place till the first formula is deployed
[21:06] <hazmat> which is kinda of a bummer, its more like a delayed pre-allocation
[21:06] <SpamapS> yeah I think it actually makes sense to enable it as its own command
[21:06] <hazmat> SpamapS, like add-machines 5 ?
[21:07] <SpamapS> ensemble bootstrap && ensemble allocate-machines --ec2.instance-type=m1.small 10
[21:07] <SpamapS> It would be cool to have every aspect of the environment available as --env.x=foo
[21:08] <SpamapS> Would solve a lot of the "need a way to specify X at runtime"
[21:08] <SpamapS> jcastro: cool video
[21:10] <hazmat> hmmm.. that sounds good re allocate-machines.. the env.x syntax is likely problematic.. its kinda of redundant in that the cli is already targeting a env for any op, so the qualification is odd
[21:11] <SpamapS> hazmat: its to prevent namespace collision
[21:11] <SpamapS> hazmat: doesn't have to be ec2. .. could be --envset instance-type=m1.small
[21:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: or just bury it in the positional args
[21:12] <SpamapS> hazmat: just seems like a good idea to be able to override settings at runtime thats all
[21:17] <hazmat> SpamapS, ic.. i was thinking just allocate-machines --provider-size=m1.small  4
[22:43] <niemeyer> Ugh.. almost 8
[22:43] <niemeyer> Time flew by today
[23:02] <niemeyer> ALRIGHT!
[23:02] <niemeyer> We have an almost empty review queue!
[23:02] <niemeyer> It's been a while..
[23:02] <niemeyer> But!
[23:02] <niemeyer> We still need  a hand on this one:
[23:02] <niemeyer> https://code.launchpad.net/~fwereade/ensemble/webdav-storage
[23:02] <niemeyer> It lacks a second review
[23:02] <niemeyer> Any takers?
[23:35] <_mup_> Bug #820107 was filed: Ensemble should enable flexible unit placement <Ensemble:In Progress by bcsaller> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/820107 >


[02:16] <CacheMoney> I wanted to report a bug:  Karpah: I'm having trouble setting them up for 'separate views'.  I get this message when I attempt to place them side by side ""The selected configuration for displays could not be applied  Requested position/size for CRTC 148 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1280, 0), size=(1280, 800), maximum=(1600, 1600)"  However, if I place them on top of each other it works, i just need to mouse
[02:16] <CacheMoney>  vertically to cross monitors
[02:28] <greg-g> CacheMoney: could you report the but on Launchpad, our bug tracker? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:05] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/952694
[03:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 952694 in bluez "Toggling Bluetooth off also Disables Wifi Networking (Wifi Hardware Switched Off)" [Undecided,New]
[05:26] <RedSingularity> hggdh: pong
[05:27] <RedSingularity> yofel: ?
[05:28] <RedSingularity> chrisccoulson: ?
[05:28] <RedSingularity> lifeless: how about you?
[05:30] <RedSingularity> Anyone know where I can push a bug with a mirror issue at hand?
[05:31] <micahg> RedSingularity: pinging random people rather than stating your issue doesn't usually help :)
[05:32] <RedSingularity> lol and the reason i didnt do you at all was cuz i thought u were away :)
[05:32] <RedSingularity> can you help?
[05:32] <micahg> that's why it's set like that :)
[05:32] <RedSingularity> haha
[05:32] <micahg> RedSingularity: depends which mirror
[05:32] <RedSingularity> hmmmm
[05:32] <RedSingularity> http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:33] <micahg> RedSingularity: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[05:33] <micahg> it's not a Canonical mirror AFAICT
[05:34] <RedSingularity> so the report should not be in launchpad?
[05:34] <micahg> right, there's nothing for anyone except the mirror admin to do
[05:35] <RedSingularity> k simple enough.  Thanks.
[05:37] <micahg> RedSingularity: you can try #ubuntu-mirrors to see if the admin is around in there
[05:37] <RedSingularity> thanks micahg, sent them a message telling them do to just that :)
[08:42] <soaringsky> I have just closed the last dapper bugtask :)
[14:21] <bkerensa> Morning
[16:51] <thibaud-ecarot> ih all
[16:51] <thibaud-ecarot> please help me
[16:51] <zzecool> ?
[16:51] <thibaud-ecarot> ok thanks
[16:51] <zzecool> just ask
[16:51] <thibaud-ecarot> i explain
[16:52] <thibaud-ecarot> ok chief
[16:52] <thibaud-ecarot> I try to do the partial upgrade
[16:52] <thibaud-ecarot> in Ubuntu 12.04
[16:53] <thibaud-ecarot> But the manager update doesn't work
[16:53] <zzecool> noooo.
[16:53] <zzecool> dont ever doa partial upgrade
[16:53] <thibaud-ecarot> I have Ubuntu 4.12
[16:53] <zzecool> it doesnt matter
[16:53] <zzecool> ehh 4.12?
[16:53] <thibaud-ecarot> ok
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> 12.04
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> sorry :)
[16:54] <zzecool> wait
[16:54] <zzecool> im search for a topic
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> ok
[16:54] <zzecool> that will help you
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> its a bug
[16:54] <zzecool> no
[16:54] <zzecool> its not
[16:54] <zzecool> wait
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> ok :)
[16:54] <thibaud-ecarot> Impossible to determinate meta-package
[16:55] <thibaud-ecarot> This is the error message
[16:55] <zzecool> thibaud-ecarot: here you are http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400
[16:56] <thibaud-ecarot> ok thanks i read
[16:56] <zzecool> :)
[16:56] <thibaud-ecarot> Do you have ubuntu 12.04 you ?
[16:58] <zzecool> yes
[16:59] <zzecool> a partial update in a beta release cycle most of the times is a fake alert because not all the dependencies are updated on the main archive
[16:59] <thibaud-ecarot> And you have not had the problem?
[16:59] <zzecool> its not a problem
[16:59] <thibaud-ecarot> ok chief
[16:59] <zzecool> can you please take some time and read
[17:02] <travelinrob> greetings.
[17:03] <thibaud-ecarot> hi travelinrob
[17:03] <travelinrob> i'm running ubuntu 12.04 beta live via usb. is this a place to discuss bugs?
[17:05] <thibaud-ecarot> yes i believe
[17:07] <soaringsky> ubuntu-bugs is for discussion by the bug squad
[17:08] <soaringsky> #ubuntu+1 is for beta bugs
[17:08] <travelinrob> soaringsky, so, leave this channel and go to #ubuntu+1?
[17:09] <soaringsky> yes
[17:10] <s9iper1> people  somebody give some time to this bug i guess that kubuntu related
[17:10] <s9iper1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-text-ui/+bug/951104
[17:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951104 in ktp-text-ui "kde-telepathy-text-ui hijacks Empathy in Unity" [Undecided,New]
[17:14] <thibaud-ecarot> zzecool I have to reinstall the beta then?
[17:17] <thibaud-ecarot> or i wait ? :)
[17:18] <soaringsky> thibaud-ecarot: #ubuntu+1 is for beta support. you probably won't get a lot of help in this channel
[17:24] <zzecool> thibaud-ecarot: wait
[17:24] <zzecool> or just close the partial update window
[17:24] <zzecool> and just update
[17:24] <zzecool> only the packages that you are able too
[17:29] <thibaud-ecarot> ok Thanks
[19:38] <sfarnedi> sono pronta per la chat
[19:51] <hggdh> sfarnedi: hello, and welcome in
[20:03] <njin> sfarnedi: can we continue here ?
[20:03] <njin> hggdh, can we continue here ?
[20:03] <hggdh> njin: of course we can, and it is even better
[20:06] <njin> hggdh, sfarnedi would learn haw to triage bugs
[20:07] <hggdh> sfarnedi: you should start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[20:08] <njin> hggdh, can we continue on the sandra room ?
[20:08] <njin> now is working
[20:25] <hggdh> bug 951397
[20:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 951397 in edubuntu-meta "no english version after italian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951397
[20:44] <ledzep> can anybody tel me wat to do here
[20:44] <ledzep> ?????
[20:45] <chilicuil> how should I close bugs 498593 & 439753 ?, klavaro does work in the latest ubuntu release and I know ubuntu 9.04 reached end of life cicle in Octuber 23, 2010, what should I arge?, I dont want to be hardish
[20:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 498593 in klavaro "Cannot launch klavaro. Terminal gives Segmentation fault " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/498593
[20:45] <chilicuil> ledzep: here u can request support for managing bug status =), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[20:48] <roadmr> chilicuil: use the stock response from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Release_has_reached_EOL
[20:48] <chilicuil> I'll do roadmr, thanks
[20:48] <roadmr> chilicuil: that's pretty polite and it's good to use the boilerplate text, so we're all consistent
[20:56] <bkerensa> hello bdmurray hggdh and co
[20:57] <hggdh> hi bkerensa
[21:08] <ledzep> rhythmbox hangs
[21:08] <ledzep> i m using 12.04


[22:33] <nealshire> alright it's using FAT32. I had to format the drive before I used the tool since my drive had no allocated partitions
[22:34] <Anthony-L_> 'sudo fdisk /devl/sda3'
[22:34] <Anthony-L_> trying to delete a partition
[22:34] <Anthony-L_> could use some help
[22:34] <Anthony-L_> i'm in the "m" menu
[22:35] <Anthony-L_> kinda scared to navigate
[22:35] <bprompt> bunjee:    actually... I think you're correct, seems to be all solitaire :/
[22:36] <bunjee> bprompt: ya think there are any games like I want?
[22:36] <mojtaba> I know that I can use -D option in ssh and using foxyproxy tunnel my connection through the server. Is there any way to do the same thing, but via command line? (I mean instead of foxyproxy in the web browser, direct my traffic using terminal through the server)
[22:36] <TiCPU> Anthony-L_, you mean, sudo fdisk /dev/sda    you're editing the disk.  If it is too scary and you have a GUI running, try gparted
[22:36] <Anthony-L_> TiCPU: gparted crashes right when i load it up
[22:36] <Anthony-L_> TiCPU: that's why i have to do it this way.
[22:36] <Anthony-L_> TiCPU: it crashes teh system.
[22:36] <Anthony-L_> the*
[22:41] <bprompt> bunjee:    was thinking there may be a java version of it -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20462117/java-blackjack-gui-paintcomponent-drawimage-not-displaying-all-the-cards
[22:46] <fearnothing> ok, there must be something else wrong with this system
[22:46] <k1l_> fearnothing: see the logs
[22:47] <k1l_> fearnothing: like syslog and xorg.log in /var/log/
[22:47] <fearnothing> yeah, I had a look, nothing helpful that I can find, but my parents turned it off after it had the issue repeatedly
[22:47] <fearnothing> so I don't have a definitive time/date I can look for
[22:47] <fearnothing> they haven't used it in months
[22:47] <k1l_> fearnothing: then see the old logs there. they get renamed after shutdown
[22:47] <fearnothing> and I can't reproduce it
[22:47] <fearnothing> I know, but I have to know -when- to look for in order to know whether I'm seeing something that's relevant
[22:48] <k1l_> fearnothing: you could still see if the hardware-enablement-stack (backported kernel and xorg) helps
[23:00] <webstral> 26411    4340/slapd          /var/run/slapd/ldapi
[23:00] <webstral> anyone knows what this is?
[23:01] <EriC^^> !info slap
[23:01] <EriC^^> !info slapd
[23:02] <webstral> so is this normal? it uses many ports
[23:02] <mlvmhn> why do i have a red triangle with a warning in the right corner?
[23:04] <EriC^^> mlvmhn: do you have chrome installed?
[23:04] <EriC^^> webstral: no idea
[23:04] <k1l_> mlvmhn: please run a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" in termina and put all the output into paste.ubuntu.com and show the link here
[23:04] <webstral> sorry, not many ports... just 4340
[23:05] <mlvmhn> no i run FF. will run the terminal command now
[23:08] <mlvmhn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15419380/
[23:08] <webstral> 2016/03/18 17:29:00.369552,  3] ../source3/smbd/process.c:1795(process_smb)
[23:08] <webstral>   Transaction 1 of length 190 (0 toread)
[23:09] <k1l_> mlvmhn: ok, google kicked the 32bit version of chrome. so it cant find the pacakges anymore. so please run that commands
[23:09] <webstral> i'm getting alot of these in samba log
[23:09] <k1l_> !chrome-repo | mlvmhn
[23:09] <mlvmhn> k, but i have Firefox installed
[23:10] <k1l_> mlvmhn: "apt cache policy google-chrome-stable" in a pastebin please
[23:12] <mlvmhn> getting "invalid operation cache"
[23:12] <nacc> k1l_: mlvmhn: apt-cache
[23:13] <k1l_> mlvmhn: yeah sorry. its "apt-cache"
[23:13] <mlvmhn> k and then which option?
[23:14] <k1l_> apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable
[23:16] <mlvmhn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15419448/
[23:22] <k1l_> mlvmhn: ok. so there is still the google chrome repo/ppa active. maybe you installed it once.
[23:22] <k1l_> mlvmhn: just use the systemsettings to delete that google repo. then the error will be gone.
[23:23] <mlvmhn> yup and then i uninstalled it. how do i delete the google repo?
[23:24] <k1l_> mlvmhn: go to systemsettings -> updates and software -> 2nd or 3rd tab.
[23:25] <mlvmhn> which category in system settings? i am running 14.04 lts
[23:26] <gr33nbits> updates & programs
[23:26] <gr33nbits> somethinglike that
[23:26] <mlvmhn> software & updates?
[23:27] <gr33nbits> yes
 mlvmhn: go to systemsettings -> updates and software -> 2nd or 3rd tab.
[23:27] <gr33nbits> then the 2nd tab
[23:27] <gr33nbits> just like k1l_ said
[23:28] <mlvmhn> k what will i remove?
[23:30] <gr33nbits> the repo's you want to remove
[23:31] <k1l_> mlvmhn: the google repo.
[23:31] <mlvmhn> so i remove the one with a mark called "Chrome stable"?
[23:31] <k1l_> yes
[23:31] <Kramerboy> Hello, I have attempted to use rsync with "-azvP" from a backup server to an NTFS partition on an external hard drive. I have realized that Ive used the wrong params and did Ctrl C to kill rsync when it asked for password. Did anything happen to the NTFS partition?
[23:32] <mlvmhn> done, so no more red warnings in the system now?
[23:33] <k1l_> mlvmhn: "sudo apt update && sudo apt fullupgrade" will tell
[23:33] <mlvmhn> k thx
[23:40] <Jordan_U>  /lastlog Jordan_U
[23:42] <T423234234> Hi. Just wanted to say I'm impressed with the patience with users and questions here. Seems no question is under the bar and no user perception is too slow to really annoy people.
[23:43] <Jordan_U> Emperor_Earth_: Still haven't gotten home (on a cellphone currently). I could do it from here but it would be prohibitively annoying. I'll probably have a chance in about 7 hours, maybe earlier.
[23:43] <T423234234> Patience with users is now on my list of learning points...
[23:44] <radxxx> Need some help again with my Nvidia driver. Afer fixing the blurryness with the help of you guys using the 361 driver, I have another isssue after yesterdays system update, After boot I end up on a black screen with white lines n blocks, sometimes changing to color blocks. Cant make out any text. Going into recovery mode and removing Nvidia drivers fixes it but those drivers cause a lot of screen lag. Running Ubuntu Mate 15.10 with Nvidia
[23:44] <radxxx> gtx970 with dual monitor. All help appricated
[23:45] <Bashing-om> T423234234: Thing we understand .. we were ALL new at one time , None are born knowing .
[23:45] <mojtaba1> h
[23:46] <Bashing-om> radxxx: The 361 version driver installed how and from where ?
[23:50] <T423234234> Bashing-om: True. Suppose 'giving back' is part of being 'great'. Still growing here. ty
[23:51] <radxxx> with support here in channel. I tried the official nvidia drver in proprietie drivers as well. same result
[23:51] <radxxx> 352 i think it was
[23:54] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Let's get a direction to work from .. WE do not want to go the OEM route .. make sure it is not a part of this equation. Show in a pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' // We consider means and ways to re-install the driver .
[23:56] <radxxx> not much info in dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia. just 4 lines
[23:56] <radxxx> ii  bbswitch-dkms                                 0.7-2ubuntu1                               amd64        Interface for toggling the power on nVidia Optimus video cards
[23:56] <radxxx> ii  libcuda1-352                                  352.79-0ubuntu0~gpu15.10.1                 amd64        NVIDIA CUDA runtime library
[23:56] <radxxx> rc  libcuda1-352-updates                          352.63-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                    amd64        NVIDIA CUDA runtime library
[23:56] <radxxx> rc  libcuda1-361                                  361.28-0ubuntu1~gpu15.10.1                 amd64        NVIDIA CUDA runtime library
[23:56] <radxxx> ii  mate-optimus                                  1.0.0-1                                    all          MATE Desktop applet for controlling NVIDIA Optimus graphics cards
[23:58] <Bashing-om> radxxx: Pastebin !! .. OK .. so any return from terminal command : sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ?
[23:59] <radxxx> nope no results


[04:23] <skellat> .wx 44004
[04:23] <jenni> Cover: Overcast, Temp: 19.9°F (-6.7°C), Dew Point: 14.6°F (-9.6°C), Humidity: 80%, Apparent Temp: 4.1°F (-15.5°C), Pressure: 29.83in (1010.19mb), Condition: Cloudy, Wind: Fresh breeze 19.8mph (31.8kmh) (↙) - Ashtabula, Ohio, United States (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[04:23] <skellat> .nws 44004
[04:23] <jenni> Lake Effect Snow !WARNING! issued November 17 at 3:27PM EST until November 17 at 3:00PM EST by NWS
[04:23] <jenni> Complete weather watches, warnings, and advisories for Ashtabula, OH, available here: http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/wwaatmget.php?x=OHC007 -- You may also PM the bot to get the full list.
[04:26] <Unit193> Heh, how'd that happen?  We have -3F windchill.
[04:28] <skellat> Unit193: The reporting sensor(s) are the Ashtabula County Airport in the middle of the county and information isn't collected elsewhere
[04:28] <Unit193> Good for it?
[04:28] <skellat> Ashtabula County measures over 700 square miles in area
[04:28] <skellat> .wx KHZY
[04:28] <jenni> Cover: Clear, Temp: 53.5°F (11.9°C), Dew Point: 30.6°F (-0.8°C), Humidity: 41%, Apparent Temp: 53.5°F (11.9°C), Pressure: 30.21in (1022.97mb), Condition: Clear Day, Wind: Light air 1.4mph (2.3kmh) (↑) - Lat: 35.029472, Long: 63.176245 (Powered by Forecast, forecast.io)
[04:29] <skellat> Well, KHZY *is* the ICAO airport code for the county airport
[04:29] <skellat> But there have been fairly hefty wind gusts here at home about 10+ miles north of the airport
[04:29] <skellat> And 1.5 miles south of the shoreline
[04:31] <skellat> Unit193: I'm still trying to figure out what to do with this bit and the comments from the cantankerous folks in Vancouver -- http://randall.executiv.es/we-are-NOT-loco
[04:31] <jenni> [ We Are Not Loco: Ubuntu Vancouver Loco's Last Day | Amplify the Signal ] - https://j.mp/1xKorBR
[04:32] <skellat> I already knocked their LP team out of ~locoteams as that appeared to be their expressed wish
[04:32] <skellat> The team itself is a member of ~ubuntu-ca so they're still members of a LoCo even if they've not figured that out
[04:33] <skellat> I find the whole thing kinda funny considering that Randall Ross is now a Canonical employee too
[15:44] <dzho> jenni: .help
[15:44] <dzho> so slow
[15:44] <jenni> Hep what?
[15:45] <dzho> jenni: help
[15:45] <jenni> dzho: Hi, I'm a bot. Say ".commands" to me in private for a list of my commands, or see https://github.com/myano/jenni/wiki for more general details. My owner is yano@freenode/staff/yano.
[15:45] <dzho> ah, so it's probably yano's forecast.io api key that's being used for this instance.
[15:46] <yano> yea
[15:47] <dzho> yano: and you use it for wxbot too?
[15:47] <yano> yea
[15:47] <yano> but the ##weather-us-oh stuffs are NOAA
[15:47] <dzho> huh
[15:47] <yano> which requires no API, it is just ATOM scraping
[15:47] <dzho> ok
[15:48] <dzho> I might try the noaa stuff then
[15:48] <yano> i'm looking at wunderground next
[15:48] <dzho> as it is, I'm not having much luck getting my instance to respond to admin commands
[15:48] <yano> wunderground updates more quickly than forecast.io/noaa
[15:48] <dzho> so, I have to kill the process, which is unsatisfying
[15:49] <yano> hm?
[15:49] <yano> just run jenni in screen/tmux
[15:49] <dzho> oh, I am
[15:49] <yano> ah
[15:49] <dzho> so, a ^c suffices, there, but still.
[15:49] <dzho> I ought to be able to just tell it to quit, right?
[15:49] <yano> make sure the admin line in the config is using your nick@vhost
[15:49] <yano> yea, you can do a .quit in PM only
[15:49] <dzho> oh, not just the nick.
[15:50] <yano> er wait
[15:50] <yano> i mean owner
[15:50] <yano> owner = 'yano@freenode/staff/yano'
[15:50] <skellat> .addpoint dzho
[15:50] <jenni> dzho: +1/-0, 1
[15:50] <dzho> ahahah, ok, it worked
[15:50] <skellat> .addpoint yano
[15:50] <yano> and make sure owner is at least:
[15:50] <yano> admins = [owner,]
[15:50] <dzho> it was the pm part that I was missing.
[15:50] <dzho> yano: thanks!
[15:50] <yano> ah
[15:50] <yano> dzho: you're welcome! :)
[15:51] <dzho> yano: if I get deeper into using this, is there another channel that would be more suitable?
[15:51] <yano> dzho: yes, i have #jenni, #jenni-playground, and #jenni-testing
[15:51] <dzho> a cornucopia!
[15:51] <yano> yup! :)
[15:52] <yano> .food
[15:52] <jenni> How about, Level Dining Lounge?
[15:52] <dzho> ok, will do.  Spent enough time on this today, so I think I'll call it good for now.
[15:52] <yano> cool, let me know how it goes :)
[15:53] <dzho> :-)
[20:48] <skellat> Well, that didn't go well: http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2014/11/18/regular-loco-council-meeting-for-november-2014/
[20:48] <jenni> [ Loco Council | Regular LoCo Council Meeting for November 2014 ] - https://j.mp/1xAJwRF
[21:01] <dzho> oh, lack of quorum


[00:41] <bpr> hey i've written a really quick system to enable rating the song currently playing in banshee with a keystroke
[00:41] <bpr> if anyone's interested in playing with it it's here: https://github.com/briprowe/RateSongs
[02:40] <jameswf> dear whoever knows, I cnt playback DVD's. Signed this guy. P.S.  I have run install-css.sh
[02:42] <meganerdca> what version of Ubuntu, what video player is in use, are there errors, what are the symptoms (beyond something is broken)
[02:42] <jameswf> 11.04 Alpha 3 all updates run with default movie player
[02:43] <jameswf> error pops up regarding dvd is encrypted
[02:44] <meganerdca> never heard of this install-css.sh
[02:44] <meganerdca> where did you get it from?
[02:45]  * jameswf waits for someone else (no offense)
[02:49] <meganerdca> hey whatever, I watch pretty much everything on my Linux boxes (and have since before this was easy), if you want help from someone else thats fine
[02:51] <meganerdca> FWIW, you probably want libdvdread4, this is not Debian.
[02:55] <jameswf> FWIW this is what install-css does thanks for playing
[02:56] <Lars_G> Hey al.
[02:56] <jameswf> I have come for developer level help not newb tricks If it wwas something in the first 15 links on google I would not be here
[02:56] <Lars_G> I'm trying to upgrade to 11.04 and something has gone wrong... while instaling/configuring libpam, services where restarted including kdm, and my xorg session was restarted
[02:57] <Lars_G> Now I ps and I see python running a file in /tmp update manager, and that in turn is the parent of a dpkg stuck configuring libpam
[02:57] <Lars_G> I can't run dpkg (database locked) as root, and update manager fails saying the db is "corrupt"... is there any way I can recover the running update?
[02:57] <Lars_G> or should I kill the processes and rerun?
[03:00] <Lars_G> No tips?
[03:04] <Omega> I would rerun, but see if snyone else has advice.
[03:04] <meganerdca> jameswf: hey, I have been watching DVDs since Debian Slink without that script, you wanna be a jackass about it that is fine with me.
[03:04] <Lars_G> So kill the process first. yeah
[03:06] <jameswf> protip Ubuntu is NOT Debian
[03:06] <IdleOne> meganerdca: drop it please
[03:08] <Lars_G> Hmm update manager kindly suggests apt-get install -f
[03:09] <cpatrick08> so go to terminal and type sudo apt-get install -f
[03:10] <Lars_G> Yeah I'm doing it on a tty, to avoid troubles
[03:10] <cpatrick08> ok
[03:20] <cpatrick08> @Lars_G did the update work for you
[03:22] <Lars_G> so far it seems it ended correctly, let me restart xorg and test
[03:26] <cpatrick08> ok
[03:57] <lars_g> Ok one question... important one... where is the key for encrypted home dirs stored at?
[04:39] <lars_g> Sigh ok I think I've not lost my cryptfs or key
[04:40] <lars_g> Now I just need to find out why the system wont even boot in rescue mode :)
[04:40] <lars_g> And if I mount my home, backup FIRST thing I do
[06:20] <IdleOne> so flash is not working for me :/
[06:21] <hifi> no problem
[06:21] <IdleOne> not for you I guess
[06:22] <hifi> was being sarcastic
[06:22] <rww> switch to gnash
[06:23] <hifi> rww: speaking of gnash, does it run youtube at it's and youtube's current version?
[06:23] <IdleOne> remind me how
[06:23] <rww> hifi: probably not
[06:24] <IdleOne> if it doesn't work for youtube what is the point
[06:25] <IdleOne> err
[06:25] <IdleOne> I am not content with this situation at all
[06:26] <hifi> you shouldn't be running natty if you're not content with broken system
[06:26] <IdleOne> true
[06:27] <IdleOne> youtube with html5 enabled works
[06:27] <IdleOne> good enough
[08:41] <bullgard4> Why does '~$ uname -a' produce 3 times in a row "i686"? 'Linux T42 2.6.38-7-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 25 19:38:02 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux'
[08:58] <popey> bullgard4: uname --help :)
[08:59] <popey> bullgard4: look at -m -p -i
[08:59] <popey> its those three
[09:52] <bullgard4> popey: Thank you.
[09:53] <popey> np
[10:23] <bullgard4>  /proc/sys/kernel/domainname  is empty. What programs use to fill this file?
[10:24] <bullgard4> enter a value here?
[11:54] <jml> how can I get times from multiple zones displayed in the indicator menu in unity?
[12:26] <zniavre> jml,  using dconf-editor ?
[12:26] <jml> zniavre: how
[12:29] <thofke> I am trying out Natty right now, but the unity desktop wouldn' t boot with my mobility radeon X300, so i put in nomodeset in grub. I boots now, but it uses the vesa driver. If I specify the radeon driver in xorg.conf, compiz-check says it is using the software rasterizer. Any more ideas to pursue?
[12:30] <zniavre> jml, http://i.imgur.com/5Qxbl.png   screenshot is more clear than my english
[12:33] <penguin42> thofke: When you say it wouldn't boot, how far did it get?
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> seems that a GAS error made a build fail.  cna it be re-attempted?
[12:53] <smoser> anyone ever had the unity launcher get stuck out ?
[12:53] <smoser> it wont hide for me.
[12:54] <smoser> its set to autohide. but it doesn't go away
[12:54] <smoser> it was working, then something made it stop
[12:54] <smoser> hmm... it seems to have issues with mumble
[13:00] <Elephantman> hi :) I want to upgrade a maverick install to natty. I use 'update-manager -d', and after a long while waiting during the "evaluating changes" job, the upgrade is refused. What's the way around ?
[13:00] <Elephantman> it says the cause could be "Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu" which is the case, but there surely is a way
[13:00] <mvo> Elephantman: could you please file a bugreport with the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* ?
[13:00] <mvo> Elephantman: usually its some dependency that can not be resolved
[13:01] <Elephantman> ok, I'll do that
[13:15] <papagno> hi
[13:24] <papagno> I'm having problems with unity and my external monitor. I can use it only if I disable the monitor of my laptop.
[13:25] <papagno> Is it a known bug?
[13:35] <papagno> anyone reading?
[13:44] <Elephantman> finally i've resolved the issue for myself :)
[13:44] <Elephantman> thanks mvo, bye :)
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:47] <BUGabundo> hey
[13:55] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[13:56] <BUGabundo> ola BluesKaj
[14:06] <BUGabundo> why does FF4 always opens new windows when I have it set to tabs???????
[14:15] <bullgard4> BUGabundo: 7 question marks in a row are 6 too many.
[14:16] <cjohnston> Is it possible to find out why I have a couple lib packages that have been held back for more than a week now?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> bullgard4: and too many opened windows too
[14:19] <bullgard4> cjohnston: You can try to do that by using packages. ubuntu.com and finding out the dependencies.
[14:19] <BUGa_jobIntervie> launchpad will be better at that
[14:27] <papagno> I have a lot of packages in synaptic marked as "Installed (manual)". Is that normal?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> papagno, installed from the live-cd
[14:34] <papagno> BluesKaj, Yes, I installed from the alpha3 cd
[14:35] <papagno> BluesKaj, but I had the same problem after the upgrade from 10.10
[14:35] <BluesKaj> yes papagno that's normal, it's not a problem afaik
[14:36] <papagno> BluesKaj, ok, thank you
[14:37] <BluesKaj> papagno, np
[14:56] <ryan_46> Hi. I did a partial upgade and it downloaded all but about 10 files out of 500 plus. The rest are getting 404 and my upgrade stops. Any info?
[14:57] <penguin42> ryan_46: Do an update again
[14:57] <penguin42> ryan_46: There are probably newer versions of some of the files now
[14:58] <ryan_46> Well I have several times done it but it is just sticking to the same result.
[14:58] <ryan_46> I can paste the files.
[14:58] <penguin42> which files are 404ing - use pastebin
[14:59] <ryan_46> OK I pasted
[15:00] <ryan_46> http://paste.ubuntu.com/587368/
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ryan_46, do you have any ppas still enabled from maverick , if so disable them and update agin
[15:00] <ryan_46> I don't know. Will check.
[15:01] <penguin42> ryan_46: There's a slightly newer version there now; do an apt-get update and then try again
[15:02] <ryan_46> penguin42: Will do. Thanks
[15:02] <ryan_46> Thanks all :)
[15:04] <ceed^> Hi, after some updates today on natty Flash doesn't work and I get this error when I try to reinstall: http://pastebin.com/bzZWHiXL  Any idea what may be wrong?
[15:09] <undergrounDinosa> hey everyone
[15:09] <undergrounDinosa> probably not the first to ask this
[15:09] <undergrounDinosa> but any suggestions on how to fix the flash issue?
[15:10] <ceed^> lol Just asked the sam question a few minutes ago
[15:10] <undergrounDinosa> 64bit 11.04 is giving "no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lub/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[15:10] <ceed^> same even
[15:10] <Moc> is there a way to get the classic alt+tab with unity running ?
[15:10] <undergrounDinosa> yeah...
[15:11] <ceed^> undergrounDinosa: I get this http://pastebin.com/bzZWHiXL
[15:11] <undergrounDinosa> it seems like some things were removed from ia32-libs... any way to roll back its version?
[15:13] <undergrounDinosa> force version is grayed out in synaptic
[15:13] <undergrounDinosa> otherwise this would be trivial
[15:14] <BluesKaj> undergrounDinosa, sudo install flashplugin-installer ..does it give errors too?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> apt-get thatis
[15:14] <undergrounDinosa> yes, like I said, it seems to be an issue caused by ia32-libs
[15:14] <undergrounDinosa> if I can roll that back to an older version, say from a day or two ago, I am confident it would fix the problem
[15:15] <genii-around> undergrounDinosa: You can always look in /var/cache/apt/archives for the previous .deb and use dpkg -i on it
[15:16] <undergrounDinosa> I will try that right now
[15:18] <undergrounDinosa> sudo dpkg -i /var/vache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu9_amd64.deb FOLLOWED BY sudo apt-get -f install
[15:18] <undergrounDinosa> problem fixed
[15:19] <undergrounDinosa> thank you for the help genii-around
[15:19] <Moc> alt-tab in compiz is really annoying on multi-screen
[15:19] <Fireboy> hi :) I'm running natty, seems like nspluginwrapper is broken
[15:19] <undergrounDinosa> lol
[15:19] <undergrounDinosa> sudo dpkg -i /var/vache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu9_amd64.deb FOLLOWED BY sudo apt-get -f install
[15:19] <undergrounDinosa> fixes that problem
[15:19] <undergrounDinosa> if anyone can sticky this
[15:20] <undergrounDinosa> you will probably be getting a ton of these questions today
[15:20] <Fireboy> where can I get the deb ?
[15:20] <undergrounDinosa> should be in that cache
[15:20] <undergrounDinosa> whoops
[15:21] <undergrounDinosa> vache = cache
[15:21] <Fireboy> oops lol
[15:21] <genii-around> Unless you've run sudo apt-get clean  ;)
[15:21] <undergrounDinosa> yeah
[15:23] <Fireboy> was ubuntu10 in my case, and doesn't resolve the issue
[15:23] <undergrounDinosa> genii-around: thanks for your help
[15:23] <undergrounDinosa> right, the latest update was ubuntu10
[15:23] <undergrounDinosa> but you should have an ubuntu9 in your cache
[15:23] <genii-around> undergrounDinosa: You're welcome
[15:24] <Fireboy> ok, no I did run an apt-get clean, I'll go and get that back
[15:24] <undergrounDinosa> Fireboy: want me to put it in my dropbox so you can download it? or already have a place in mind?
[15:25] <Fireboy> yeah I can do with that, packages.ubuntu doesn't seem to show it up
[15:26] <undergrounDinosa> k, give me a bit...
[15:26] <Fireboy> google seems more efficient than internal search, got the file
[15:26] <ceed^> You can get the older ia32 here if cache is empty: http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/universe/i/ia32-libs/ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu9_amd64.deb
[15:27] <undergrounDinosa> awesome, even better
[15:33] <Fireboy> doesn't seem to resolve the problem for me
[15:33] <zniavre> there is already a bug about datetime-indicator calendar and evolution not installed, causes the indicator calendar is not working well ?
[15:34] <ceed^> You need to restart the browser
[15:34] <undergrounDinosa> ceed^: it worked for you I take it?
[15:35] <ceed^> undergrounDinosa: Sure did
[15:35] <undergrounDinosa> ceed^: awesome
[15:35] <ceed^> yay! :)
[15:35] <Fireboy> install of nspluginwrapper fails, so browser restart wont change much
[15:37] <ceed^> Fireboy: I used Synaptic to remove and reinstall Flash. I do not know if that makes a difference.
[15:37] <Fireboy> flash is already removed, that shouldn't affect the issue
[15:38] <undergrounDinosa>  sudo apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree?
[15:38] <ryan_46> Hi. My upgrade finished in terminal. Should I do apt-get clean before rebooting?
[15:38] <Fireboy> does nothing, it's not there
[15:39] <undergrounDinosa> what command did you run and what did it do?
[15:39] <yofel> flashplugin-nonfree is a transitional package, touching that won't do anything
[15:39] <yofel> flashplugin-installer is the right flash package
[15:40] <Fireboy> not there either, I used apt-get remove flash* just to be sure ;)
[15:40] <undergrounDinosa> try reinstalling nspluginwrapper then
[15:41] <undergrounDinosa> well, remove+purge then reinstall
[15:41] <BluesKaj> this strictly aprob on 64bit systems , correct?
[15:41] <yofel> BluesKaj: yes, as it seems to be a ia32-libs issue
[15:42] <Fireboy> undergrounDinosa: no success
[15:42] <yofel> ubuntu11 was just uploaded which is supposed to fix this
[15:42] <undergrounDinosa> who wants to try 11?
[15:42] <Fireboy> I'll give it a go
[15:42] <undergrounDinosa> k
[15:42] <Fireboy> cant break it further :)
[15:43] <undergrounDinosa> true, lol
[15:43] <Fireboy> got an url around ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> ok thanks, yofel
[15:43] <undergrounDinosa> alt+f2, "update-manager -d" I imagine
[15:44] <yofel> Fireboy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/20090808ubuntu11/+buildjob/2417297
[15:44] <undergrounDinosa> BluesKaj: 11 fixed it for you?
[15:45] <BluesKaj>  i'm still running 32 bit here , undergrounDinosa
[15:45] <undergrounDinosa> ah, ok
[15:45]  * yofel doesn't use 32bit flash so can't test it
[15:46] <BluesKaj> I mistakenly installed 32 bit on lucid and never bothered to change :)
[15:46] <Fireboy> yofel: nspluginwrapper still doesn't install
[15:46] <yofel> what's the exact error that you get?
[15:47] <Fireboy> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> only 3G and 2G Ram pcs here, so I don't it really makes any performance diffs
[15:47] <BluesKaj> think
[15:48] <yofel> Fireboy: can you pastebin the whole apt-get install output?
[15:48] <Fireboy> yofel: what's the command to get the output in english again ?
[15:48] <undergrounDinosa> Fireboy: did you try running sudo apt-get -f install?
[15:49] <yofel> Fireboy: sudo LANG=C apt-get ... I think
[15:49] <Fireboy> undergrounDinosa: I did, same error
[15:49] <Fireboy> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/362664/
[15:52] <yofel> hm, no idea why it would crash there...
[15:53] <yofel> does 'sudo nspluginwrapper -a -v -u' cash too?
[15:53] <undergrounDinosa> he needs to get rid of those directories
[15:53] <yofel> *crash
[15:53]  * BluesKaj hates that pastebin.com site that uses flash , I can't zoom to read the text on thei slarge monitor
[15:53] <undergrounDinosa> and let the installers try to rebuild them
[15:53] <BluesKaj> this large monitor
[15:54] <Fireboy> yofel: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/362667/
[15:54] <Fireboy> seems ok
[15:54] <yofel> o.O
[15:54] <undergrounDinosa> yeah
[15:54] <undergrounDinosa> destroy those directories
[15:54] <undergrounDinosa> make sure firefox is closed
[15:54] <BluesKaj> http://pastebin.com/bzZWHiXL..like this one
[15:54] <undergrounDinosa> uninstall flash
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> launch firefox, check about:plugins to make sure it is gone
[15:55] <yofel> Fireboy: does 'dpkg --compare-versions "1.2.2-0ubuntu8" lt "1.2.2-0ubuntu5"' crash?
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> close firefox again
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> destroy the directories
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> install
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> be happy
[15:55] <yofel> undergrounDinosa: his issue has nothing to do with flash it seems
[15:55] <Fireboy> removing the folder resolved the issue
[15:55] <yofel> really o.O?
[15:55] <undergrounDinosa> yofel: spoke too soon?
[15:56]  * yofel gives up on understanding dpkg...
[15:56] <undergrounDinosa> lol
[15:56] <Fireboy> yeah, weird
[15:56] <BluesKaj> actually I've been using chrome and I like it except for the crappy fonts on the bookmarkbar and tas
[15:56] <Fireboy> fixed now, flash working
[15:56] <Sprechkaese> hey, was there a change somewhere in the flash -plugin thing?
[15:56] <undergrounDinosa> LOL
[15:56] <undergrounDinosa> I'm telling you
[15:56] <undergrounDinosa> this needs to get stickied
[15:56] <yofel> ^^
[15:56] <Sprechkaese> no browser is capable of flash anymore since today, is there a fix?
[15:57] <undergrounDinosa> redd.it/gepwu
[15:57] <undergrounDinosa> go there
[15:57] <undergrounDinosa> I wrote out the instructions
[15:57] <undergrounDinosa> or full link: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/gepwu/for_those_of_you_running_1104_who_had_flash_stop/
[15:57] <Sprechkaese> oha, thanks a lot!!!
[15:57] <undergrounDinosa> no problem
[16:03] <Sprechkaese> undergrounDinosa: i dont have that ia32libs... and the downloadlink you posted seems not to work
[16:03] <undergrounDinosa> works for me
[16:03] <undergrounDinosa> just clicked it
[16:03] <undergrounDinosa> http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/universe/i/ia32-libs/ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu9_amd64.deb
[16:03] <undergrounDinosa> try again?
[16:04] <Sprechkaese> hm.. opera did not want to do it =)
[16:04] <undergrounDinosa> ah, ok
[16:06] <Sprechkaese> i can not install that file... I have a later version ("20090808ubuntu10_amd64.deb") installed...
[16:06] <undergrounDinosa> sudo dpkg -i
[16:07] <undergrounDinosa> or hell
[16:07] <undergrounDinosa> put it where the instructions say
[16:07] <undergrounDinosa> and then you can run the exact code I mentioned
[16:09] <bullgard4>  /proc/sys/kernel/domainname has teh entry "(none)". What programs fill this file with a nontrivial entry?
[16:13] <penguin42> is it a xenism or some container thing?
[16:13] <penguin42> or is it actually dns?
[16:14] <penguin42> hmm maybe nis domain?
[16:15] <Sprechkaese> undergrounDinosa: after I did what you said  flash did still not work, I tried update+upgrade and the installed "20090808ubuntu9_amd64.deb"  was just replaced with the new "20090808ubuntu10_amd64.deb" one...
[16:15] <undergrounDinosa> you closed your browser before?
[16:15] <undergrounDinosa> or restarted your browser?
[16:15] <genii-around> 11 is in the repo now
[16:16] <undergrounDinosa> also ubuntu10 is the one that is the problem
[16:16] <Sprechkaese> y, closed and restarted...
[16:16] <Sprechkaese> ok, i will try the 11 one
[16:16] <undergrounDinosa> check it in synaptic
[16:16] <undergrounDinosa> see if your mirror has 11 yet
[16:19] <Sprechkaese> nice and easy, the 11 version fixed it, 1000 thanks ;)=
[16:19] <undergrounDinosa> awesome
[17:30] <Tetsuo55> i just ran a quick natty test (with the current daily live cd)
[17:31] <Tetsuo55> is it know that compiz is very crashy on gma videocards? i have a x4000 something
[17:32] <Tetsuo55> almost any menu interaction would cause it to crash (but i didnt have the required internet connection to report it, and apport doesnt support saving to file for later uploading
[17:32] <Tetsuo55> once compiz crashed i would lose the top bar with the clock on it
[17:41] <IdleOne> Tetsuo55: you can file a bug against compiz at launchpad.net give as much info as you can on your hardware and such.
[17:41] <IdleOne> also steps to reproduce the crash
[17:42] <Tetsuo55> steps are easy
[17:43] <Tetsuo55> click anywhere
[17:43] <Tetsuo55> haha
[17:48] <yofel> Tetsuo55: also, apport keeps all crashes in /var/crash, file them when you have the required connection
[17:48] <Tetsuo55> that wont workf for a live cd will it
[17:48] <Tetsuo55> ?
[17:49] <gnomefreak> looks like my connection is still really bad. the speed test link someone gave me yesterday i no longer have anyone know it by chance?
[17:49] <yofel> ah no, unless you save them
[17:49] <yofel> http://speedtest.net/
[17:50] <Tetsuo55> saving is impossible once compiz crashes
[17:50] <Tetsuo55> so thats a bit hopeless
[17:50] <Tetsuo55> ill do more serious testing later and make sure i have a wireless connection available then
[17:50] <gnomefreak> there is or at least was a bug on reporting crashes using the crash log in /var/crash. apport was crashing while trying. i filied a bug on it but i cant get a damn site to open
[17:51] <gnomefreak> and compiz is known to crash also bug on that
[17:52] <gnomefreak> thanks for the link yofel. once i get to my bug list ill give the bug numbers
[17:53] <yofel> heh, well, I filed my own bug on compiz crashing
[17:53] <yofel> and apport can't seem to retrace it -.-
[17:56]  * gnomefreak getting the hint i need to call my isp
[18:03] <gnomefreak> well it seems my compiz crashing bug 737667 is fixed
[18:04] <gnomefreak> oops that was my fault since it hasnt happened
[18:14] <Fireboy> bye :)
[18:16] <gnomefreak> ok this is starting to piss me off now
[18:20] <penguin42> any particular thing?
[18:23] <gnomefreak> penguin42: my connection is very slow and unstable as hell
[18:25] <penguin42> ah
[18:31] <gnomefreak> i think im back at least if i can manage to stop closing irssi
[18:32] <gnomefreak> i lost all the controls on term window. well i can close min and max but that is it nothing in upper panel other than file>close
[18:34] <trism> maybe dbus died?
[19:08] <Asad2005> I have ubuntu 10.10 installed using gnome. What will happen if i upgrade to 11.4 when it is released ? Will gnome also be replaced to unity?
[19:14] <trism> Asad2005: classic gnome is still there even on a clean install of natty, you can select it on the login screen
[19:26] <Asad2005> trism: So it safe to upgrade and it will stay gnome and can be changed to unity if i wish
[19:26] <Pici> Asad2005: Its my understanding that legacy upgrades will use the desktop environment that they were using in the past.
[19:26] <Pici> Yes.
[19:26] <Asad2005> ok thanks
[20:15] <pmatulis> upgrade to natty via 'do-release-upgrade -d' failed horribly.  just a dark purple screen upon reboot  :(
[20:31] <penguin42> pmatulis: Can you get into grub by holding shift down?
[20:32]  * ceed^ is not going to ask why Flash doesn't work...:)
[20:52] <coz_> hey all
[21:36] <zzillezz> evening folks
[21:37] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:37] <zzillezz> either my eyes are sharper or something has changed with the fonts (kubuntu natty) :)
[21:44] <monkeyD> hey guys, could you please help me to fix my geforce card
[21:44] <monkeyD> I have a geforce fx 5200
[21:44] <monkeyD> I activated the driver that ubuntu offered me
[21:44] <monkeyD> everything else of nvidia is deleted from the synapticmanager
[21:44] <monkeyD> glxgears work
[21:45] <monkeyD> but
[21:45] <monkeyD> the desktopeffects dont work and the flash videos has a slow framrate
[22:31] <levitta> any way to preview the beta 1 release notes before tomorrow ?
[22:41] <zzillezz> levitta: do it the hard way: install it, and experience it yourself ;-)
[22:43] <levitta> well, yeah, the point is I'd rather check the release notes and see if there's any major bug likely to render my computer unusable
[22:43] <levitta> I don't mind a few bugs here and there and I'm happy to help track them down and report them, but I don't have the time to debug a major bug / reinstall ubuntu
[22:43] <zzillezz> i've been running the alpha's and updating daily
[22:44] <zzillezz> no major problems here
[22:44] <levitta> alright, cool
[22:44] <zzillezz> i'm running the kubuntu flavour
[22:44] <zzillezz> ubuntu might be a bit more tricky with the new shell
[22:44] <levitta> the synaptics stuff seems annoying
[22:45] <zzillezz> ?
[22:45] <levitta> yeah, I don't intend to use it. :)
[22:45] <levitta> the alpha 3 release notes mentioned that touchpads could have the wrong speed
[22:45] <zzillezz> didn't have any problems with that on my laptop
[22:46] <zzillezz> on the desktop atm
[22:47] <yofel> kubuntu runs fine here too, unity gives me only a compiz crash, and synaptics has a bit odd two finger scrolling here, but works cool most of the time
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Q: How to generate a random string?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> A: Put a fresh student in front of vi and tell him to quit.
[22:47] <yofel> LOL
[22:47] <levitta> nice one :]
[22:48] <wolfik> hi
[22:48] <wolfik>  i teach in gymnasium and i have 18 computers i try use oneconf but it don't work in ubuntu 10.10 if this work just in 11.04?
[23:23] <needhelp1> is there a set time for beta 1 being released, like is it at 12.01 EST ?
[23:23] <yofel> no
[23:23] <charlie-tca> Normally releases happen before 23:59 UTC on the scheduled release day
[23:34] <needhelp1> charlie-tca, lol well, ok
[23:35] <needhelp1> :(
[23:36] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:47] <chrisl2424> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
[23:47] <chrisl2424> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE


[00:32] <lapt0p> Interesting, a lot of users here, compared to the Lubuntu official IRC channel :)
[00:35] <lapt0p> Wow, i am amazed. Finally Xubuntu plays Youtube videos without lagging and without any difference compared to Windows. Interesting, interesting :)
[00:37] <Unit193> What browser?
[00:37] <lapt0p> Chromium
[04:34] <puff> I just installed raring off a at-least-several-months-old DVD, then xubuntu-desktop.  I know SOP is to update everything after you first install, to get the latest and greatest.  However, I also know that these days it's recommended to do it via synaptic or software  center. Looks like it's software center on this install.  I don't see where in software center to do the update/upgrade.
[04:35] <puff> And.. just as I typed that, the software updates notificaiton finally popped up.  Thanks!
[05:01] <puff> Man, this is annoying... I can't figure out how to add a menubar shortcut for gnome-terminal.
[09:01] <xubuntu674> hi
[09:01] <cfhowlett> xubuntu674, greetings
[09:02] <xubuntu674> It's the first time I use xubuntu and I have a probleme with the updates
[09:03] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674, how can we help you?
[09:04] <xubuntu674> My english is not as good as yours however I will try to explain my probleme
[09:05] <xubuntu674> Are there french speakers here ?
[09:05] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674, !fr
[09:05] <cfhowlett> !fr
[09:06] <xubuntu674> ok anyway, so I installed xubuntu today and I have a message on the top of my deskop that says I have more than 170 updates available
[09:07] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674, yes, that would be normal for a fresh install from the live DVD
[09:07] <cfhowlett> xubuntu674, especially normal if you didn't install the latest point release 12.4.3
[09:08] <xubuntu674> I try to launch the updates then the update manager opens but when I click the install button nothing happen
[09:08] <xubuntu674> the manager close himself
[09:09] <xubuntu674> I used the USB way to install xubuntu
[09:09] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674, can you open a terminal>?
[09:09] <ObrienDave> that's fine
[09:10] <xubuntu674> uhh, I'm a profane that wil be difficult if I have to do manipulations
[09:11] <ObrienDave> it will be ok. do you know how to open a terminal?
[09:11] <xubuntu674> no
[09:12] <ObrienDave> which version did you install? 13.04?
[09:12] <xubuntu674> Yes
[09:12] <XRS1> im having trouble with updates on 13.10. "The following packages have unmet dependencies: ure : Breaks: libreoffice-core (< 1:4.1.2~) but 1:4.1.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[09:12] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1|XRS1,
[09:12] <XRS1> k
[09:13] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674, look for applications,accessories,terminal emulator
[09:14] <xubuntu674> It done
[09:14] <ObrienDave> ok, copy and paste this line into the terminal window
[09:15] <ObrienDave> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:15] <xubuntu674> ok
[09:15] <ObrienDave> enter your password at the sudo prompt
[09:16] <xubuntu674> It doesn't work, I can write anything?...
[09:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu674, password should be invisible when typing
[09:17] <ObrienDave> sorry, you won't see your password. security thing
[09:17] <xubuntu674> I have this line on the emulator : (sudo) password for *myname*:
[09:17] <xubuntu674> but I can't write after this line
[09:18] <XRS1> type ur password
[09:18] <XRS1> press enter
[09:18] <xubuntu674> ok
[09:18] <xubuntu674> Ok It's working :à
[09:19] <ObrienDave> good. it will take a while. be patient
[09:19] <XRS1> it protects against shoulder surfing
[09:20] <ObrienDave> smoke break. brb
[09:20] <XRS1> me too
[09:20] <xubuntu674> Thank you ObrienDave :)
[09:24] <ObrienDave> not a problem :)
[09:31] <ObrienDave> xubuntu674. still working?
[09:36] <xubuntu674> hum I think it's over
[09:36] <xubuntu674> Should I restart the computer?
[09:36] <ObrienDave> only if it tells you that you need to
[09:37] <ObrienDave> what is the last line in the terminal window
[09:38] <xubuntu674> It seems over because I have this line : *myname*@*mycomputersname*:$
[09:39] <ObrienDave> yes, that means it is done. you can reboot if you like. it's not usually necessary.
[09:39] <ObrienDave> try to run system updater again. it should tell you your computer is up to date
[09:41] <xubuntu674> Great, I'm greatful for all what you done for me (I wonder if I used the correct grammar...)
[09:41] <xubuntu674> Ok I will do it :)
[09:41] <ObrienDave> you are fine and welcome. glad i could help you
[09:43] <xubuntu674> I just have an error window -> /usr/bin/update-notifer. I still have 7 updates but the update manager doesn't work.
[09:44] <ObrienDave> reboot
[09:44] <xubuntu674> ok :)
[09:44] <xubuntu674> Have a nice day!
[09:45] <ObrienDave> you too, thanks
[10:26] <nicola> hi
[10:26] <nicola> silly question if i can
[10:26] <nicola> unexperienced question i mean
[10:26] <bgardner> nicola: Ask away
[10:26] <nicola> why is it called terminal emulator
[10:27] <nicola> and not just emulator
[10:27] <nicola> and not just terminal
[10:27] <nicola> sorry
[10:27] <nicola> so it is an emulator and not really a terminal?
[10:27] <knome> because it's not a terminal, it's emulating a terminal
[10:27] <knome> yes, and calling it emulator only wouldn't say what it's emulating
[10:28] <nicola> sure not :)
[10:28] <nicola> so ms dos is a real terminal?
[10:28] <knome> that's beyond my expertise, and beyond the scope of this channel
[10:28] <nicola> i mean, where can i find a real terminal
[10:28] <knome> !offtopic
[10:28] <nicola> ok
[10:30] <bgardner> nicola: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_emulator
[10:33] <nicola> thanks guys for your support
[10:33] <nicola> i am just loving xubuntu
[12:59] <theixle> Do many xubuntu chrubuntu users hang out here?
[13:00] <GridCube> ¿Qué?
[13:00] <cfhowlett> theixle, unlike.  doesnt' chrubuntu have a channel of its own?
[13:00] <theixle> cfhowlett, it does but it's way less populated/active
[13:07] <koegs> what is chrubuntu?
[13:08] <cfhowlett> koegs, chrome+ubuntu
[13:09] <theixle> Yeah, it's the name of the project that makes installing Ubuntu variants on a chromebook.
[13:09] <theixle> So I've got Xubuntu running almost flawlessly on a $199 chromebook
[13:20] <ochosi> theixle: sweet, which one?
[13:35] <theixle> ochosi, Acer C7
[13:36] <ochosi> righty
[13:36] <ochosi> good to know
[13:37] <ochosi> you could write a blog article about that
[13:37] <ochosi> would be something we could then feature on xubuntu.org (gotta ask other team members bout that though)
[13:48] <theixle> ochosi, the guy who did it has a blog here: http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.com/
[14:24] <Soul-Sing>  /key bind meta-q /buffer 11
[16:59] <xubnew> hi
[16:59] <xubnew> i need some help
[16:59] <bgardner> xubnew: Go ahead and ask your question.
[16:59] <xubnew> i'm trying to install xubunto on vmware
[17:00] <xubnew> but it starts the installation without setup
[17:00] <xubnew> it is suposed to be like that?
[17:03] <xubnew> bgardner ...
[17:05] <xubnew> anyone?
[17:06] <bgardner> xubnew: I don't actually know the answer, sorry.
[17:07] <xubnew> ok tks anyway
[17:07] <elfy> xubnew: can you explain what you're seeing - I have never seen that behaviour
[17:08] <xubnew> u're familiar with vmware player?
[17:08] <elfy> oh sorry - read that as vbox lol
[17:08] <xubnew> i create a new virtual machine
[17:09] <xubnew> select xubunto 13.04 desktop i386
[17:09] <elfy> I'm not familiar with vmware
[17:10] <bgardner> same here, I just use vbox
[17:10] <xubnew> hmmm how much different it is?
[17:11] <elfy> no idea - not used vmware for 6 years
[17:11] <xubnew> kk
[17:11] <bgardner> xubnew: No idea, never used anything but vbox
[17:12] <xubnew> :/
[17:12] <xubnew> i even know if its vmware's fault
[17:13] <xubnew> it supposed to appear the setup installation before it starts copying files right?
[17:13] <bgardner> xubnew: Go ahead and describe your issue and see what happens - worst case, no one has any idea and you are none the worse for the effort.
[17:14] <xubnew> it supposed to appear the setup installation before it starts copying files right?
[17:16] <elfy> xubnew: normally you would get a 'try xubuntu' and 'install xubuntu' button
[17:16] <elfy> but the install button doesn't actually install - just gets you where you can install from
[17:18] <xubnew> yes bit i dont get any button
[17:18] <xubnew> *but
[17:18] <puff`> Good afternoon.  I just installed ubuntu raring, then installed xubuntu-desktop.  Then I wanted to get netflix-desktop, so I went through the various hoops, but netflix-desktop silently fails to start.  I googled and found http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Raring_Media_Players#Netflix_in_Wine_app so I installed ia32-libs and ia32-libs-multiarch but that has not fixed it.
[17:26] <xubuntu560> Hi there. Does anywone knows how to get the microdia webcam 45c0:6260 to work?
[17:33] <elfy> xubnew: I'm not sure then - sorry
[18:25] <ElFizbanio> I'd wish to know, is it possible to use a dongle-mobile-broadband thinge for a WiFi hotspot
[18:28] <GridCube> probably
[18:29] <ElFizbanio> if someone would only help me
[18:43] <SSIXS> Good day everyone
[18:44] <SSIXS> Have a quick question...I just downloaded and install the Xubuntu 12.04.3 64bit desktop DVD from the website and installed it...
[18:46] <SSIXS> It seems it's still using the 3.2.0-53 kernel...wasn't it supposed to be kerneel 3.8?
[18:46] <SSIXS> Or did I misunderstand something
[18:51] <SSIXS> Anyone around to answer a qun?estio
[18:51] <SSIXS> *question
[18:51] <knome> !anyone | SSIXS
[18:52] <knome> !patience | SSIXS: as well,
[20:04] <Monkeytoe> is there a program to control amd graphics card fan speeds in xubuntu?
[20:08] <mn3monic> Hello, Anyone here has messed with DisplayLink USB GPU ?
[20:43] <Trasp> When I'm trying to use multiple monitors, they're of the exact same model, something goes wrong and only one display can be used. (It doesn't even show up under xfce4-displays-settings or what it's called)
[20:43] <Trasp> Anyone had the problem and know a way around it?


[12:32] <daker> cjohnston: https://github.com/django/django/pull/376
[12:54] <cjohnston> daker: is that south?
[16:12] <daker> cjohnston: somehow, from the author of south
[16:12] <daker> cjohnston: if you remember this http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andrewgodwin/schema-migrations-for-django
[16:15] <mhall119> newz2000: ping
[16:15] <mhall119> newz2000: Happy Birthday dude!


[23:44] <nominative[m]> Im running Ubuntu Jammy.  Gnome.  I  have a convenient Desktop shortcut to Home (to files in my homedir of course ).  how do i make a shortcut like that for a different directory, like ~/Downloads/ ?