[03:03] <Ironfrost> should I unmount my main partition so that I can shrink it
[03:03] <spacemind> Nermal: I use debian sarge with fluxbox
[03:03] <goofrider> spacemind: Xorg
[03:03] <Ironfrost> or would that cause things to fall down?
[03:04] <xxenon> Seveas - thx.
[03:04] <goofrider> Ironfrost: u can't umount your main part ( i tried)
[03:04] <Nermal> spacemind, hmm.. the main things with ubuntu are userfriendliness and good support for gnome /kde
[03:04] <goofrider> U have to boot from CD
[03:04] <Ironfrost> OK
[03:04] <AirWays> How I can restart vsftp ?
[03:04] <Nermal> so I'm not sure how much you would gain by switching
[03:04] <Ironfrost> boot from a LiveCD?
[03:04] <Nermal> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftp restart
[03:04] <spacemind> can i install fluxbox and have a desktop chooser ?
[03:04] <AirWays> OKay thanks
[03:04] <Nermal> or vsftpd
[03:04] <Ironfrost> in that case, how would I be able to change my partitions?
[03:04] <Nermal> I guess...
[03:04] <Seveas> spacemind, yes
[03:04] <kass> mindspin: NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64   ift works peachy in windows
[03:05] <Nermal> Ironfrost, you can't unmount / usually
[03:05] <goofrider> Iron: what do u mean by changing paritions?
[03:05] <Nermal> as /bin/mount is under / ;)
[03:05] <goofrider> You can't umount /
[03:05] <goofrider> but u can boot from a diffrent partition as root
[03:05] <mindspin> yep but I never get any linux with xserver running on that box , but its a cheapo one
[03:05] <Nermal> best thing would be to get a livecd or an installer cd and use the partitioner on that
[03:05] <goofrider> using a livecd is the simplest
[03:06] <mindspin> did you try running live cd on it?
[03:06] <spacemind> ok, i will take a look :) a p 400mhz with 768ram is ok to use gnome ?
[03:06] <Nermal> spacemind, ram is fine.. cpu might chug a little
[03:06] <Nermal> but should be usuable
[03:06] <goofrider> space: I switched to Ubuntu cause Iget things as current as Sid but with better stablilty
[03:06] <Seveas> it'll be usable
[03:07] <goofrider> space: I have 512MB and 933MHz P3. Working pretty welll (with load of daemons in the background)
[03:07] <Seveas> goofrider, there are even things from experimental in Ubuntu :)
[03:07] <Ironfrost> goofrider: Gparted tells me that I have /dev/hda1 (my main partition), and /dev/hda2 (extended) which contains /dev/hda5 (linux-swap)
[03:07] <spacemind> goofrider: i wanna give a try because what you say :)
[03:08] <Ironfrost> what I want to do (and what I mean by 'changing partitions') is to shrink /dev/hda1 and create a fat32 partition
[03:08] <Nermal> Ironfrost, you can't resize / when it's mounted.. and when linux is running you generally can't unmount /
[03:08] <goofrider> space: what did I say?
[03:08] <goofrider> don't blame me!!!!
[03:08] <Ironfrost> Nermal - OK
[03:08] <|iXiiOn|> hello
[03:08] <Nermal> Ironfrost, a livecd runs from the cd, so / isn't mounted, meaning you can resizer it
[03:09] <Ironfrost> do any liveCDs have partition editing tools?
[03:09] <Nermal> resize*
[03:09] <goofrider> well, make sure u don't run too many daemons. 400MHz might not be enough
[03:09] <Nermal> umm... knoppix will have
[03:09] <Ironfrost> preferably something graphical
[03:09] <Ironfrost> 'k
[03:09] <Nermal> I think
[03:09] <mindspin> knoppix has qtpatred
[03:09] <Nermal> there you go :)
[03:09] <spacemind> goofrider: lol :)
[03:09] <cmbroth> MEPIS has qtparted also
[03:09] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot
[03:09] <|iXiiOn|> i have a question does it make sense to use ubuntu for a 300mhz pc ?
[03:09] <cyphase> where's the gzip module for apache2? or is libapache-mod-gzip for apache1 and 2?
[03:09] <Ironfrost> I think I have knoppix lying around somewhere, so I'll use that
[03:09] <spacemind> if i use debian as experimental isnt almost the same as ubuntu ?
[03:09] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, not for much graphical stuff
[03:09] <goofrider> SysresqCd has QTParted as well (but the CD itself is terminal)
[03:09] <Nermal> something like fluxbox may be ok
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> Nermal no hust office stuff
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> just
[03:10] <Nermal> but it's probably not quite quick enough for gnome / kde
[03:10] <daniels> spacemind: no, experimental is different.  it still has older versions of gnome and xorg in particular, and we have a different set of packages, different default setup, etc.
[03:10] <goofrider> I live SysResqCd better since it's small (200MB), has LVM, ReiserFs, XFS, HTS
[03:10] <goofrider> HFS
[03:10] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, I mean any graphics.. ie: a graphical environment
[03:10] <spacemind> okay, great, i will definitly give a try now :)
[03:10] <Nermal> 300mhz makes a nice console machine :)
[03:10] <goofrider> and a textmode live CD is better since the boot time is MUCH SHORTER than Knoppix
[03:10] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, how much ram ?
[03:10] <|iXiiOn|> 64 :)
[03:10] <Drako60> Questiong, how does the kernel check the cable bits against the BIOS?
[03:11] <spacemind> Nermal: console ? i play unreal tournament with it in debian :)
[03:11] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, may just be enough to install :)
[03:11] <mindspin> make it a router ;-)
[03:11] <cmbroth> On a 300MHz?
[03:11] <spacemind> cmbroth: 350mhz overclocked to 400mhz
[03:11] <Nermal> heh
[03:11] <Nermal> speeed
[03:11] <cyphase> does anyone know where the gzip module for apache2? or is libapache-mod-gzip for apache 1 and 2?
[03:11] <|iXiiOn|> hm wel then i think i better take win98 or something
[03:11] <goofrider> speaking of router.. any of u tried ClarkConnect? I use IPCop but I'd like some fancier features
[03:11] <spacemind> i have some debian routers with 166mhz and 64ram :)
[03:12] <Nermal> |iXiiOn|, openoffice will definately chug on that machine
[03:12] <mindspin> there are some small computer distros out there, try google
[03:12] <bloomberg> is there an inbox-monitor available for Ubuntu?
[03:12] <Nermal> bloomberg, sure.. there are panel apps
[03:12] <Nermal> a local inbox or something like gmail ?
[03:12] <zxc> does anyone know how to make the "unhide" and "user" options for the CD-Rom in the "Fstab"
[03:12] <goofrider> space: let me just say that Gnome perform betters than KDE on my Ubuntu box
[03:12] <bloomberg> can't find it in apt-cache search inbox
[03:12] <cyphase> |iXii0n|, use it as a cluster node ;)
[03:12] <goofrider> space: so avoid KDE if u can.....
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> hehe
[03:13] <daniels> goofrider: performance of the two differs between machines.  one is cpu-heavy, the other ram-heavy.
[03:13] <ayvmaat_> use XFCE !
[03:13] <goofrider> space: I use IPcop for my router
[03:13] <bloomberg> local inbox
[03:13] <goofrider> GPL
[03:13] <bloomberg> evolution actually
[03:13] <Seveas> cyphase, isn;t that integrated into apache 2?
[03:13] <goofrider> 40MB installer
[03:13] <munki> bloomberg , try search in synaptic .
[03:13] <daniels> you can't make a blanket statement that either is faster than the other
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> no its for my father i thought it would be nice to update his pc ab bit
[03:13] <cyphase> Seveas, i don't think so, because its not sending it compressed
[03:13] <bloomberg> munki: i have, no results for inbox that are panel apps
[03:13] <|iXiiOn|> now he has an 100mhz 486 :)
[03:14] <goofrider> daniel: which one is which?  LOL
[03:14] <cyphase> Seveas, it sends the gzip header, but its not actually compressed
[03:14] <Nermal> p   mboxcheck-applet                - A GNOME2 applet to check your mboxes ?
[03:14] <goofrider> daniels: I wasn't trying to make a blanket statement, my system is somewhat similiar in specs to space's
[03:14] <bloomberg> yeah i tried that, can't find it on the Add Panel though, do I have to put it on there manually
[03:14] <Nermal> ummm
[03:15] <goofrider> and my comment was stircitly in that context. My recommendation to him based on our similar systems
[03:15] <daniels> fair enough
[03:15] <|iXiiOn|> well i konw 300mhz is almost crpa but i dont want to through it away , and i cant build always routers out of the old pc .. :)
[03:16] <zxc> if I was to add "unhide" to the Fstab do I just do ,Unhide after the option for the drive
[03:16] <Nermal> bloomberg, a killall gnome-panel made it appear for me
[03:16] <Nermal> (it respawns)
[03:16] <spacemind> |iXiiOn|: install debian with fluxbox, it rox a lot :)
[03:16] <goofrider> ixii: yeah fluxbox might work well
[03:17] <goofrider> how much RAM does it have though
[03:17] <|iXiiOn|> 64 mb
[03:17] <ayvmaat_> BlackBox 4 ever
[03:17] <bloomberg> Nermal: how do I get the panel back again, just gnome-panel?
[03:17] <goofrider> well.... maybe not
[03:17] <goofrider> LMAO
[03:17] <Nermal> bloomberg, it should come back itself :|
[03:17] <mindspin> is it possible to apgrade it (ramwize)
[03:17] <Nermal> maybe killall -HUP would have been a better plan :|
[03:17] <|iXiiOn|> are there complett distros fpr old pcs ?
[03:18] <Nermal> redhat 6 ? :)
[03:18] <mindspin> check google there are some
[03:18] <Nermal> erm.. debian ?
[03:18] <bretzel> bloomberg: just exec gnome-panel
[03:18] <kynes> hi
[03:18] <Nermal> debian woody loves old machiens
[03:18] <mindspin> but I hjave no link
[03:18] <goofrider> just use Ubuntu server
[03:18] <Nermal> goofrider, aye.. but the installer still need > 32mb
[03:18] <kynes> I can't compile some code using xlib.h
[03:18] <goofrider> it'll depend on what u wanna do with it
[03:18] <kynes> or other things from X11
[03:18] <kynes> what must I do ?
[03:18] <bloomberg> ok thanks
[03:18] <kynes> I know ubuntu hoary uses xorg
[03:18] <Nermal> kynes, what's the error ?
[03:18] <goofrider> Like I said, I use the IPCop distro for router
[03:19] <kynes> there is no header file like that
[03:19] <kynes> that's the cause
[03:19] <kynes> where can I find the devel files of xorg?
[03:19] <kynes> will X11 devel files work?
[03:19] <kynes> I'm kinda confused about that
[03:20] <Nermal> apt-get install xlibs-dev
[03:20] <Nermal> ?
[03:20] <goofrider> kynes: maybe try searching for Xlib.h on packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntulinux.org???
[03:20] <kynes> will it work for xorg?
[03:20] <Nermal> "X Window System client library development files"
[03:20] <thenuke> could you build windows xp with tools made for win 3.11
[03:20] <Nermal> I think so
[03:20] <daniels> kynes: it's in a bunch of libraryes.  xlib.h is libx11-dev.  you can get most of the client-side hearders with xlibs-dev, libxss-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxxf86vm-dev, libxxf86misc-dev, and libxxf86dga-dev
[03:20] <goofrider> u should be able to find packges by the files they contain
[03:20] <daniels> also, 'libraries', 'headers'.  bleh.
[03:21] <kynes> why doesn't ubuntu come with these things
[03:21] <Nermal> it does
[03:21] <goofrider> thenuke: win3.1 tools make win16 apps. it'll run on XP just looks like crap and doesn't have 32-bit mode addressing
[03:21] <Nermal> they just aren't installed by default
[03:21] <Nermal> people are expected to use debs of precompiled stuff, not compile there own
[03:22] <karim___> hi
[03:22] <Nermal> their*
[03:22] <thenuke> goofrider: smartass? yes.
[03:22] <karim___> does anyone know if something like an usb driver that makes a PC like a Usb Mass Storage exist ?
[03:22] <goofrider> kynes: it's very easy to figure out what dev packages to get once u get used to the packaging system
[03:23] <Nermal> karim___, sure.. just plug the usb device in and you should get an icon on the desktop
[03:23] <kynes> I'm getting xlibs-dev and it's dependencies now
[03:23] <MyKq3> hello ppl whats up :)
[03:23] <goofrider> thenuke:  LOL
[03:23] <Nermal> lo MyKq3
[03:23] <neofeed> what's the reason ubuntu (hoary) runs with an ageing version of gaim... new one is hardly stable or something?
[03:23] <goofrider> neofeed: hoary-backport has a new one
[03:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I tell gnome to run sudo dpkg -i filename whenever I d-click on a .deb ?
[03:24] <goofrider> not sure if that's new enough for u
[03:24] <Nermal> NeoCool, that was the latest that was available at the time of the freeze.. simple
[03:24] <kynes> what's the difference between xorg and X11
[03:24] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, bad plan
[03:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, why?
[03:24] <Andril> hello
[03:24] <goofrider> neofeed: the version of GAI is picked probly becauase that was the stable version when hoary is frozen
[03:24] <Andril> I am stuck in Crash City
[03:24] <karim___> Nermal no I mean the other way around.
[03:24] <thenuke> goofrider: or am I wrong? does X11-devel  work for xorg
[03:24] <Nermal> because a) sudo is for console.. you want gtksudo or similar and b) no console will appear so no confirmation text or error messages will appear
[03:24] <neofeed> goofrider, hmm okay gotta add hoary-backports
[03:24] <goofrider> xorg is the X server lib I think
[03:25] <goofrider> and X11 is the X client lib
[03:25] <karim___> Nermal kind of it is with firewire
[03:25] <karim___> how
[03:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, if you're thinking of security, I still have to authorize it by putting in my password
[03:25] <goofrider> But I'm just guessing
[03:25] <Nermal> you want to make a PC appear as a usb storage device ?
[03:25] <Amaranth> hey, macs can do that, but as firewire
[03:25] <karim___> nermal exactly
[03:26] <Nermal> a windows PC ?
[03:26] <goofrider> well Firewire is VERY diffrent from USB
[03:26] <kynes> goofrider: I think it's a bit wrong.. because I know they are doing approximately the same job but they're different
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: x11 is the protocol that we use
[03:26] <Nermal> goofrider, thank god :)
[03:26] <neofeed> goofrider, is there a tutorial or somesuch on how to create ubuntu packages?
[03:26] <karim___> I have seen a topic about that somewhere, but I don't remember where
[03:26] <bloomberg> ok so I've put in mailcheck i now get ""The panel encountered a problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_MboxCheck. delete applet from config?"
[03:26] <goofrider> in the fact that USB requires a a node act as the host for all transfers
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: xorg is an organisation (x.org) that produces the sample implementation of x11 -- clients, libraries, servers
[03:26] <Xappe> hmm, have they solved the issues woth backports and upgrading? or do I have to track the backports down myself when it's time to upgrade?
[03:26] <karim___> a linux pc or windows, whatever
[03:26] <Nermal> bloomberg, :(
[03:26] <larsrohdin> a bit off topic, but can someone tell me what IRC-client this is? http://www.deviantart.com/view/481013/
[03:26] <daniels> kynes: libx11 is the standard client-side library, but it sucks.  libx11-dev is the dev stuff for that library alone.
[03:26] <goofrider> neofeed: Debian New Maintainer's Guide
[03:27] <Nermal> bloomberg, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3882.html
[03:27] <tritium> Good morning!
[03:27] <kynes> ok so what's the package xorg-common?
[03:27] <Nermal> lo tritium
[03:27] <kynes> if x.org is just an organisation
[03:27] <tritium> Hi Nermal, good to see you.
[03:27] <karim___> so there is no such thing as UMS for a pc
[03:27] <Gog> xorg is a new implementation of X, produced by x.org
[03:27] <kynes> I think you're right but not exactly telling all the meaning the word "xorg" has
[03:27] <Nermal> tritium, it is ?
[03:27] <goofrider> Xorg is also the reference implementaion of X Server we use
[03:28] <tritium> Nermal, of course
[03:28] <kynes> Gog: I meant that. exactly
[03:28] <karim___> sharing could be done through samba
[03:28] <neofeed> goofrider, thanks. Do you even further know why the gpg generation on ubuntuguide's "How to add extra repositories" does not work?
[03:28] <karim___> it would be nice ^^^
[03:28] <cmbroth> Maybe explain the difference between Xorg and XFree86?
[03:28] <Nermal> larsrohdin, bitchx
[03:28] <kynes> Gog: so I'm asking what's the difference between new and old implementations?
[03:28] <Nermal> note the bitchx> prompt at the bottom of the window
[03:28] <goofrider> neofeed: what error r u getting?
[03:28] <larsrohdin> Nermal, oh ok
[03:28] <kynes> cmbroth: sorry. I should've phrased it like this
[03:28] <Gog> kynes, what's the difference between deadrat/debian/suse/.... :)
[03:28] <Nermal> tritium, I'm not used to people saying that :|
[03:29] <kynes> cmbroth: as you said
[03:29] <daniels> kynes: xorg-common is the common files shared between the servers from x.org's standard implementation (xorg)
[03:29] <Nermal> Gog, lots and lots
[03:29] <Gog> someone's probably cataloged the diffs - google
[03:29] <drcodedd2> hi all
[03:29] <neofeed> goofrider, prompt keeps hanging - doing nothing [waiting for input?]
[03:29] <tritium> Nermal, well, it's good to see you, all the same.
[03:29] <Nermal> thankyou
[03:29] <milouny> I installed Ubuntu on a system with a wireless card with a prism2-chip, and it was detected... But I loses it's wireless capabilities all the time: iwconfig then says "no wireless extensions", or it shows wireless extensions but says "NOT READY!". How is this caused?
[03:29] <Nermal> milouny, anything in dmesg ?
[03:29] <neofeed> goofrider, maybe it can't find the host?
[03:30] <Andril> has anyone been experiencing apps just carshing (closing)? Like Firefox and such
[03:30] <daniels> kynes: when you get into the history involving xfree86 forking from the x consortium, the xc changing to x.org, x.org re-forking from xfree86, x.org dissolving and forming the x.org foundation, which is totally different, and the version number disaster ... it's all clear as mud
[03:30] <goofrider> neofeed: what cmd did u use? Possibly wget is choking while getting the key
[03:30] <neofeed> goofrider, gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[03:30] <milouny> Nermal: Ow, I should have checked for that. I don't have access to the box now, as that wireless connections is my only way to the internet -- I'm 15km further now :)
[03:30] <Nermal> Andril, erm.. run from terminal and see what the exit message is ?
[03:30] <goofrider> to add to daniels comment: there's a great FAQ that came with the Org docs
[03:30] <Andril> ok
[03:31] <Nermal> milouny, sounds like it could be an irq problem or some such... you could try booting with pci=noacpi and maybe adding noapic
[03:31] <Nermal> see how stable that is
[03:31] <goofrider> talks about X11 histroy, Xfree86 history, theXfree86 license fiasco and why we have Xorg now
[03:31] <Andril> Nermal, thanks - I would have never thought of that
[03:31] <Nermal> Andril, pci=noacpi was my magic fix at suse
[03:31] <Nermal> though admittedly that was more to do with 2.4.x kernel series, but it can still help with 2.6.x
[03:31] <mindspin> this applies also to older thinkpads ;-)
[03:31] <goofrider> neofeed: I think I had problems with that too. I just downloaded the key directly from search the keyserver @ MIT then imported manually
[03:32] <Andril> Nermal, is this a command?
[03:32] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, if you have a sec, why would it be a bad idea to set gnome to install as i mentioned earlier?
[03:32] <milouny> But I know `rmmod prism54; modprobe prism54' solves it sometimes. I had the same problem on debian unstable (kernel 2.6.6), and then rmmod would work - although very often it could not release and it would suck all cpu, and I had to do a hard reboot as "shutdown" was ignored by the kernel. That's why I decided to install ubuntu... But I have comparable problems.
[03:32] <Nermal> Andril, no. a kernel parameter
[03:32] <kynes> goofrider&daniels: thanks I'll search and read
[03:32] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, I did answer but didn't put your nick in front.. one sec
[03:32] <daniels> Nermal: noapic and pci=noacpi are the two magic bullets in that part of the world
[03:32] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, because a) sudo is for console.. you want gtksudo or similar and b) no console will appear so no confirmation text or error messages will appear
[03:32] <milouny> Nermal: I'll try it with pci=noacpi, thanks...
[03:32] <Nermal> daniels, aye.. suse's decision to turn all of acpi on in 2.4.x was a bad plan :|
[03:33] <goofrider> kynes: it's on your hard drive possibly.. I know it's on mine (came with Xord)
[03:33] <neofeed> goofrider, hmm well will live with 'unauthorized' so long :)
[03:33] <daniels> Nermal: acpi is a minefield
[03:33] <eruin> anyone running beagle here?
[03:33] <Nermal> milouny, set them in /boot/grub/menu.lst on the kernel line
[03:33] <Nermal> or at boot time by hitting e on the line you want to boot
[03:33] <zxc> how can I open a file in root?
[03:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, true... aw shucks.
[03:33] <larsrohdin> Nermal, uuu bitchx was scary=) ill stick to x-chat... but can i get the entire window transparent?
[03:33] <tritium> morning, daniels
[03:33] <Nermal> daniels, yah.. a rapidly changing minefield and each manufacturer has different looking mines..
[03:33] <eruin> zxc: sudo gedit file
[03:33] <Nermal> and the linux developers are blind with 4 foot wide sticks
[03:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> Nermal, can I make synaptic install it when I dclick?
[03:33] <goofrider> neofeed: please be VERY careful with adding unofficial repos
[03:34] <milouny> Nermal: I'll try it, thanks! Not having an internet connection is hard when solving these problems...
[03:34] <mindspin> or sudo vim /path/to/filename
[03:34] <daniels> Nermal: getting a lot better though
[03:34] <Nermal> larsrohdin, with xorg
[03:34] <daniels> tritium: morning dude
[03:34] <Nermal> and composite extensions
[03:34] <Nermal> FlyingSquirrel32, I imagine so
[03:34] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok... do you know if there is a good guide or something to that?
[03:34] <Nermal> it would entail some gconf hacking to tell nautilus what to do with .deb files
[03:35] <neofeed> goofrider, well I'm pretty good with linux :) So I think I know what I do when I do something... [maybe the idea to try breezy was a stupid one... but at least it was fun]
[03:35] <daniels> larsrohdin: bear in mind that composite is frighteningly slow and reasonably unstable
[03:35] <Nermal> yah
[03:35] <larsrohdin> daniels, ok...
[03:35] <kynes> thanks for all the answers
[03:35] <kynes> gtg. bye
[03:35] <zxc> eruin, it's a setup file. It says I have to run it in root. I've cd to it's directory
[03:35] <zxc> gedit just brings up the script :/
[03:35] <mindspin> sudo gedti
[03:35] <mindspin> gedit
[03:36] <Nermal> zxc, chmod 755 it
[03:36] <Nermal> and then ./it
[03:36] <Nermal> or just sh <filename>
[03:36] <Nermal> to run it through sh
[03:36] <eruin> zxc: chmod +x setupfile, sudo ./setupfile
[03:37] <yogui> hi ! where can i found GD librairy please ?
[03:37] <Nermal> apt-get install gd
[03:37] <Nermal> or gd2
[03:37] <eruin> zxc: you did ask about how to open it, not how to run it ;)
[03:37] <mindspin> there is always another way to do it ;-)
[03:37] <Nermal> gah
[03:37] <yogui> nermal : thanx
[03:37] <kratz> Hi! I have some problems, The "make" commands dosent work... please help
[03:37] <Nermal> yogui, libgd2 sorry
[03:37] <tritium> kratz, install build-essential
[03:38] <Nermal> yogui, so sudo apt-get install libgd2
[03:38] <yogui> nermal : oki
[03:38] <yogui> nermal : it's working !
[03:38] <Nermal> :D
[03:38] <kratz> i ll search and try;)
[03:38] <tritium> kratz, i.e., "sudo aptitude (or apt-get) install build-essential"
[03:39] <eruin> argh. beagle only wants to index my im and email conversations ;)
[03:39] <Nermal> eruin, you mounted the partitions with user_xattr ?
[03:39] <yogui> must i restart apache ?
[03:39] <eruin> Nermal: ofcourse ;)
[03:39] <Nermal> I mean xattr :\
[03:39] <eruin> it's working fine, it just only indexes that
[03:39] <Nermal> eruin, it's schedules..
[03:39] <eruin> user_xattr is correct
[03:39] <Nermal> give it a few minutes
[03:39] <Nermal> it seems to run an index every 20 seconds or so here
[03:40] <goofrider> how's Beagle anyways?
[03:40] <Nermal> I also found clearing out ~/.beagle as a last resort when upgrading from a very old version helped
[03:40] <eruin> Nermal: I'm watching it right now in debug mode.. it only indexes im and email, not files... even though I've told it to index everything
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, getting there.. a bit hungry to run on my laptop
[03:40] <goofrider> on Hoary or Breezy?
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, it also finds stuff you thought you deleted a loooong time ago :)
[03:40] <goofrider> LMAO
[03:40] <Nermal> goofrider, I'm running breezy but there are debs for hoary :)
[03:40] <alexandre> i want to use webmin onto my server to configure samba, but i can't find samba into the page
[03:40] <alexandre> can u hel pme?
[03:41] <goofrider> Oh there's a backport now? Maybe I should try it... :)
[03:41] <Nermal> webmin installed and started and you're at https://localhost:10000 ?
[03:41] <yogui> alexandre : you must install module no ?
[03:41] <tim1> eruin: do you use the stock 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:41] <Nermal> goofrider, aye.. look on beaglewiki.org
[03:41] <goofrider> alex: did u install the samba module?
[03:41] <eruin> tim1: yeah, off breezy
[03:41] <larsrohdin> goofrider, so its not recommended or, should i give it a shot?
[03:41] <tim1> because beagle doesn't work at all for me
[03:42] <Nermal> alexandre, sudo apt-get install webmin-samba
[03:42] <priest_> which kernel is hoary using now?
[03:42] <Nermal> 2.6.10 I think
[03:42] <goofrider> 2.6.10
[03:42] <alexandre> great, thx
[03:42] <Nermal> :)
[03:42] <alexandre> where can i find a list of all modules ?
[03:42] <yogui> stupid question for newbi : how to restart apache ?
[03:42] <Nermal> alexandre, aptitude search webim
[03:42] <Nermal> um
[03:42] <mindspin> apachectl restart
[03:42] <goofrider> sudo apt-cache search webmin
[03:42] <tritium> yogui, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[03:42] <Nermal> aptitude search webmin-
[03:42] <tim1> eruin: do you have inotify enabled?
[03:43] <alexandre> thx
[03:43] <yogui> thx
[03:43] <Titan3025> hi
[03:43] <mindspin> or apache-perlctl restart
[03:43] <mindspin> depends
[03:43] <Nermal> tim1, that isn't essential as of 0.0.8 iirc
[03:43] <eruin> tim1: I honestly have no idea... beagle isn't complaining atleast
[03:43] <Nermal> lo Titan3025
[03:43] <Titan3025> ;-)
[03:43] <larsrohdin> Nermal, what do i need to download to use com. extensions?
[03:43] <Nermal> umm.. isn't that java ?
[03:43] <wdh> yogui, or, to do it the microsoft way, reboot your computer!
[03:43] <tim1> because i have it enabled and beagled is spitting out some inotify errors
[03:43] <Nermal> com. extensions /
[03:43] <Nermal> ?
[03:43] <yogui> lol
[03:44] <Nermal> tim1, about locks ?
[03:44] <larsrohdin> Nermal, composite extensions
[03:44] <yogui> so, i've installed GDlib but imagecreatefromjpeg() is undefined ... why ?
[03:44] <larsrohdin> composition extensions
[03:44] <Nermal> larsrohdin, nothing really
[03:44] <Titan3025> any1 else experiencing download probs on backport server?
[03:44] <tim1> Nermal:  Unhandled Exception: System.IO.IOException: Attempt to watch /home/tim/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers failed!
[03:44] <Nermal> there are a couple of utils to tweak it
[03:44] <Nermal> tim1, iirc thats a mono 1.0.5 issue
[03:44] <goofrider> backport is very flaky
[03:44] <Titan3025> :-(
[03:44] <Nermal> grab the newer mono debs from a repo..
[03:45] <larsrohdin> i tried xcompmgr and it said "No composite extension"
[03:45] <tim1> Nermal: I have 1.1.7, newest version
[03:45] <Titan3025> backports is impossible slow today :-( hope they fix it soon
[03:45] <Nermal> larsrohdin, you will need to enable it in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:45] <tim1> I'm using fa fully updated breezy
[03:45] <Nermal> I think you need Load "composite"
[03:45] <Nermal> in there, underneath all the others
[03:45] <Nermal> then restart x
[03:45] <Xappe> tritium: so, are you running breezy yet? I find it really hard to resist the part of my linux brain that want's to upgrade, but I guess i'll only find myself in a hell of breakage if i do :)
[03:46] <Titan3025> hehe
[03:46] <Nermal> if you want it fast and unstable (more so) and have an nvidia card, adding Option "RenderAccel" in the card identifier can help
[03:46] <goofrider> I'm waiting another 2 months at least
[03:46] <larsrohdin> Nermal, there is nothing about composite in my xorg.conf
[03:46] <Nermal> Xappe, I'm on breezy
[03:46] <Nermal> larsrohdin, add it
[03:46] <tritium> Xappe, no, I'm not, actually.  I'm likely going to setup a breezy chroot on an hoary installation.
[03:46] <Nermal> under the Load "glx" and all that stuff
[03:46] <Titan3025> what are you guys trying to do with the nvidia card???
[03:46] <larsrohdin> ok
[03:46] <Nermal> add a line with Load "composite"
[03:46] <Titan3025> perhaps i could help
[03:46] <Nermal> Titan3025, speed it up ;)
[03:47] <Titan3025> hehe
[03:47] <Nermal> Titan3025, nah.. he wants composite extensions and I think RenderAccel helps
[03:47] <Titan3025> kk
[03:47] <Nermal> though it can cause it to be even more unstabl
[03:47] <Titan3025> ;-9
[03:47] <cmbroth> Anyone know of a package repository with 'beagle' or should I install from src?
[03:47] <Nermal> think of composite extensions as a firework.  Very pretty, but likely to explode at any time
[03:47] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok done... then what?
[03:47] <Titan3025> i have a nvidia tvout tutorial, where u can also find an example config which works quite well
[03:47] <Nermal> cmbroth, one sec
[03:48] <yogui>  i've installed GDlib but imagecreatefromjpeg() is undefined ... why ?
[03:48] <goofrider> http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[03:48] <Nermal> larsrohdin, try the xcompmgr again
[03:48] <Xappe> Nermal: so, how stable do you find it?
[03:48] <goofrider> I'm still reading it
[03:48] <larsrohdin> larsrohdin@ubuntu:~ $ xcompmgr
[03:48] <larsrohdin> No composite extension
[03:48] <cmbroth> Thanks
[03:48] <goofrider> LOL
[03:48] <eruin> beagle is in breezy
[03:48] <eruin> fyi
[03:48] <Nermal> cmbroth, http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[03:48] <Nermal> larsrohdin, erm..
[03:48] <Nermal> odd
[03:48] <cmbroth> I run Hoary though.. off to RTFM
[03:48] <Nermal> Xappe, I don't use it
[03:49] <Nermal> cmbroth, that url is for hoary..
[03:49] <goofrider> those are instructions for Hoary
[03:49] <Titan3025> hey... talking about X.Org... does anyq know if there is a way to configure both input devices (touchpad,mouse) separatly? I want the mouse left handed? Is there a way?
[03:49] <Xappe> Nermal: you just said you were running breexy, right? how can you not use it then?
[03:49] <Nermal> Titan3025, add another pointer section to your xorg.conf
[03:49] <goofrider> but it doesn't help cuz I've been trying to get the new Mono packages from backport for 3 days
[03:49] <Nermal> Xappe, oops.. I thought you mean composite extensions
[03:49] <Xappe> Nermal: :)
[03:50] <Nermal> breezy is usuable for me atm.. nothing major died yet.. but then again, nothing huge has been upgraded that much
[03:50] <goofrider> Nermal: LOL
[03:50] <Nermal> some new gnome packages trickling in, but no major revisions yet
[03:50] <Titan3025> Nermal, a pointer section?
[03:50] <Xappe> Nermal: ok, so the total breakage is still to come :)
[03:50] <tritium> Xappe, you've seen the topic?
[03:51] <Nermal> Titan3025, yeah.. thats what mice and things are called in the xorg.conf
[03:51] <Nermal> so you would need two pointer sections
[03:51] <Xappe> tritium: of course
[03:51] <Nermal> Xappe, yah
[03:51] <Nermal> Xappe, and there is no big difference between hoary and breezy yet
[03:51] <Titan3025> Nermal, lol... yeah.. but my input devices are both in an InputDevice Section
[03:51] <Nermal> in terms of package versions
[03:51] <Nermal> Titan3025, hmm
[03:52] <Xappe> tritium, Nermal: I just want to make sure I won't upgrade :P
[03:52] <Titan3025> Nermal, can I specify in the InputDevice section of the mouse that it should be lefthande?
[03:52] <Nermal> Titan3025, umm.. no idea :|
[03:52] <Nermal> is there an x.org channel ?  :)
[03:52] <goofrider> isn't there an option in the mouse control panel to do just that
[03:52] <goofrider> ?
[03:52] <Titan3025> lets see
[03:52] <Nermal> probably.. but that would be too easy
[03:52] <goofrider> it's there
[03:52] <goofrider> LOL
[03:53] <zoddan^wlan> Hi
[03:53] <Nermal> "you must be right handed to click this option" Damn! :)
[03:53] <Nermal> lo zoddan
[03:53] <goofrider> use your keyboard
[03:53] <cyphase> wow, i think i just heard a recommendation for linux on the radio
[03:53] <goofrider> LOL
[03:53] <goofrider> or touchscreen
[03:53] <Nermal> yah
[03:53] <Titan3025> lol
[03:53] <Titan3025> ok.. but the gnome mouse properties only configure the first input device..
[03:53] <Nermal> hum.. 2 hours to go
[03:54] <Nermal> Titan3025, yah :|
[03:54] <goofrider> now thats a valid concern
[03:54] <Nermal> but you should be able to see what it puts in your xorg.conf
[03:54] <Titan3025> but ok.. then i should configure the mouse as first input device and the touchpad as second
[03:54] <larsrohdin> Nermal, out of ideas?
[03:54] <TMM> hi all!
[03:54] <cyphase> hey TMM
[03:54] <Nermal> larsrohdin, erm.. yah
[03:54] <larsrohdin> =)
[03:54] <Titan3025> hope touchpad still works in x.org when no mouse is plugged in ;-)
[03:54] <Nermal> larsrohdin, read the howtos ?
[03:55] <TMM> is there any way to use mtools instead of the normal vfat driver of linux to access usb sticks?
[03:55] <larsrohdin> ok
[03:55] <Nermal> should do
[03:55] <TMM> there's a bug somewhere in the vfat code that makes a couple of usb-storage devices go nuts (not so with mtools)
[03:55] <Nermal> larsrohdin, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13711&postcount=10
[03:55] <zoddan^wlan> first time i try ubuntu :)
[03:56] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, you like ? :)
[03:56] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/dump.png what do you think ?
[03:56] <xMaximex> you'll like it !
[03:56] <Titan3025> Nermal, i will try that... when mouse is first input device i can use gnomes mouse control panel to configure it lefthanded and the touchpad wont be touched
[03:56] <Nermal> mmmm.. lining up smilies
[03:56] <goofrider> but isn't mtools designed to access FAT drives WITHOUT mounting them???
[03:56] <zoddan^wlan> taking a new screenshot soon
[03:57] <larsrohdin> Nermal, can it have something to do with my ati-drivers?
[03:57] <zoddan^wlan> with gkrellm and stuff
[03:57] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, better than my gentoo screenie: http://nermal.org/misc/wtf.png
[03:57] <zoddan^wlan> ok
[03:57] <Nermal> hours of installing and I get a bloody turtle in a kernel oops
[03:57] <StarMkeSE> Hi! I need support how I can access internet via Ubuntu.
[03:57] <Titan3025> Nermal, if there is a way in x.org to configure both devices separatly (which i dont know if it is possible at all) i hope that the gnome mouse control panel will have a separate panel for each input device
[03:57] <larsrohdin> i just saw that i have xorg-driver-fglrx and not fglrx-driver...
[03:57] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, more information needed
[03:58] <Nermal> larsrohdin, try the url I gave you.. I don't think the ati drivers matter
[03:58] <cyphase> StarMkeSE, what kind of connection do you have?
[03:58] <StarMkeSE> I ge ip automacticly via dhcp but I have no dhcp-address to add.
[03:58] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, if you are using dhcp it should just work
[03:58] <drcodedd2> any one know where I can find nice games for linux?
[03:59] <Nermal> linuxgames.org ?
[03:59] <goofrider> did u get an IP via DHCP succesfully?
[03:59] <StarMkeSE> it doesn't work :(
[03:59] <drcodedd2> 3d and so like 3d shooter and smaller games?
[03:59] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, network connection, adsl, cable >
[03:59] <goofrider> I had lots of problems with DHCP that I had to use static Ip sintead
[03:59] <StarMkeSE> I can get in i windows but not in ubuntu
[03:59] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, not helpful :A
[03:59] <Nermal> what connection is it ?
[03:59] <goofrider> assign it a static IP see if that works
[04:00] <StarMkeSE> I have ADSL with direct connection to internet
[04:00] <goofrider> how is the ADSL modem connected to your box?
[04:01] <goofrider> ethernet? USB?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> through ethernet
[04:01] <drcodedd2> any one know where I can find nice games for linux?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> Ubuntu finds my ethernet-card
[04:01] <goofrider> and is the modem NAT?
[04:01] <Memcmeme> Which is better, Warty or Hoary?
[04:01] <StarMkeSE> NAT?
[04:01] <Seveas> drcodedd2, search for 'game' in synaptic :)
[04:01] <tritium> Memcmeme, Hoary is the more recent stable release
[04:01] <cyphase> lol, i just cut the dynamic firefox counter script in half by removing comments
[04:01] <goofrider> well.. look @ your windows box as see what IP u get
[04:02] <drcodedd2> also I love 3d shooter games
[04:02] <drcodedd2> there is some for linux ?
[04:02] <StarMkeSE> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:02] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, does ifconfig say you have an ip address ?
[04:02] <drcodedd2> not by wine?
[04:02] <StarMkeSE> In windows yes
[04:02] <Memcmeme> drcodedd2 yes
[04:02] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, there is no ifconfig in windows
[04:02] <larsrohdin> Nermal, ok something definately happens... my desktop crashes every time i try xcompmgr...
[04:02] <drcodedd2> and in linux
[04:02] <Memcmeme> There is Unreal 2004 and Doom 3 that run natively on Linux
[04:02] <Nermal> ignore windows
[04:02] <goofrider> there's ipconfig in windows
[04:02] <Di42lo> Can i compile the lastest kernel without any binaries or patchs ?
[04:02] <Nermal> I know
[04:02] <Nermal> there is no ifconfig in windows

[04:03] <StarMkeSE> Okej...
[04:03] <goofrider> LOL
[04:03] <Nermal> ignore windows.. this is linux..  so just see what ifconfig says in linux
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> I'm totaly new in linux
[04:03] <drcodedd2> I mean is there pure 3d shooter games for linux ?
[04:03] <goofrider> that doesn't sound like a private IP on your Windows box
[04:03] <StarMkeSE> If I need to check Linux, I have to reboot my computer
[04:03] <Nermal> its like saying "driving on the right works fine in the US", while hurtling down a road in the UK
[04:03] <mvirkkil> Got my Ubuntu CD:s today :)
[04:03] <larsrohdin> goofrider, you are right... this sucks... lags all the time..
[04:03] <petemc> heh
[04:03] <goofrider> Nermal: I'm asking him that cuz maybe his windows box is connect via PPPoE
[04:03] <Nermal> ah :)
[04:04] <Nermal> wouldn't ppoe get loaded automatically in ubuntu ?
[04:04] <Nermal> I wonder if it's a nameserver problem
[04:04] <goofrider> so u think he has PPPoE?
[04:04] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, try to ping an IP in linux as well as domain names
[04:04] <goofrider> cuz it sounds like it
[04:04] <Xappe> StarMkeSE: nice with just another swede around here :)
[04:04] <Em> is there a utf-8 migration tool ?  my friend wants to set his system to use utf-8 by default.
[04:04] <StarMkeSE> But i checked in ipconfig in windows what's the address of the DHCP is and I'll try to type it
[04:04] <larsrohdin> im swedish!
[04:04] <Di42lo> Can i compile the newest kernel without any binaries or patchs of ubuntu ??
[04:04] <StarMkeSE> Hej Lars
[04:05] <larsrohdin> Hej=)
[04:05] <Xappe> hej
[04:05] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, there is no address for DHCP.. the computer will simply ask anyone for an IP
[04:05] <Xappe> ;)
[04:05] <Nermal> ie: a broadcast request
[04:05] <larsrohdin> Nermal, is there nothing i can do to make it work without all the lag?
[04:05] <Nermal> so you won't have to type in any IPs if you use dhcp
[04:05] <StarMkeSE> hmmm... It doesn't find the dhcp ..nor during the installation
[04:05] <Nermal> larsrohdin, I dunno matey.. I tried it for 15 minutes before I got utterly bored and realised I couldn't see a bloody thing
[04:05] <goofrider> lars: what's lagging?
[04:05] <Nermal> composite :|
[04:06] <larsrohdin> the composite things...
[04:06] <goofrider> oh... of course it's slow
[04:06] <goofrider> LOL
[04:06] <Nermal> it makes you appreciate the graphics being drawn more :)
[04:06] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i didn't think it would be THAT slow...
[04:06] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin Linux hittar ingen dhcp, jag har ntverkskortets interna ip men inte mer n s
[04:06] <larsrohdin> its like, 233 mhz and 8mb gfx all over agina her...
[04:06] <Nermal> "ooh.. and these beautiful antialiased fonts just etched into the soft suble white background, like snow.."
 Jag kollade i instllningarna och den enda ip jag har <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:07] <Nermal> goofrider, it was a little slow on my geforce2, but usuable
[04:07] <Nermal> it just didn't make it any more usuable in terms of productivity
[04:08] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, anvnder du gnome?
[04:08] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin Ubuntu
[04:08] <goofrider> does compmgr use the graphica card acceleration?
[04:09] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, ja men anvnder du gnome som fnsterhanterare?
[04:09] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin ja det tror jag :/
[04:09] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, ok... vnta
[04:09] <Xappe> StarMkeSE larsrohdin : svenska i #ubuntu.se om man ska hlla sig till reglerna
[04:09] <Nermal> goofrider, noo.. Option "RenderAccel" helps nvidia cards, but not ATI iirc
[04:09] <yogui> must i recompil php after Gd install ??
[04:09] <goofrider> re: PPPoE. It doesn't just work automatically. Someone have to enter a valid userid/pwd for the PPPoE link
[04:09] <Nermal> yogui, nope :)
[04:10] <yogui> nermal : but it doesn't work
[04:10] <goofrider> and it won't work if the Windows box is already connected on PPPoE
[04:10] <Nermal> yogui, sudo apt-get install php4-gd2
[04:10] <Nermal> :)
[04:10] <Nermal> is the php bit
[04:10] <yogui> oki
[04:10] <goofrider> star: did u get your DHCP problem figure out?
[04:10] <goofrider> I think php4-gd is actually more current
[04:10] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, g in i gnome-network-preferences
[04:10] <Nermal> goofrider, ooh
[04:10] <StarMkeSE> Maybe... I'll check it out
[04:11] <goofrider> php4-gd uses GD2
[04:11] <Nermal> ah
[04:11] <goofrider> php4-gd2 is the OLD module when php4-gd uses the plain libgd
[04:11] <Nermal> ah
[04:11] <larsrohdin> * how to do that litte star thing
[04:11] <larsrohdin> me too me too
[04:11] <petemc>  /me
[04:11] <yogui> so php4-gd is better ?
[04:11] <Seveas> php4-gd2 isn;t a package
[04:11] <Seveas> it's a virtual package provided by php4-gd
[04:12] <goofrider> use php4-gd
[04:12] <yogui> ok
[04:12] <larsrohdin> aha!
[04:12] <goofrider> but letmme doublecheck
[04:12] <Seveas> so both are equally good, they will both install php4-gd
[04:12] <larsrohdin> StarMkeSE, figured it out yet?
[04:12] <goofrider> php4-gd2 doesn't even exist in Ubntu
[04:12] <Seveas> it does
[04:12] <Seveas> as virtual package
[04:12] <StarMkeSE> larsrohdin I need to rebbot my computer first
[04:13] <yogui> and after installtion, i restart apache ?
[04:13] <larsrohdin> ok, ses
[04:13] <Nermal> yogui, nope :)
[04:13] <Nermal> the php interpreter gets run every time you request a php page
[04:13] <Nermal> so you should just have to reload the page
[04:13] <goofrider> i don't see it... I only have the Debian Stable package og php4-gd2 listed (yes I'm a dangerous man)
[04:14] <yogui> nermal : it doesn't work
[04:14] <yogui> .....
[04:14] <yogui> :-(
[04:14] <Nermal> humpf
[04:14] <goofrider> php4-gd does use libgd2 though. I checked
[04:14] <tritium> goofrider, yes, you are, using backports and all ;)
[04:14] <Nermal> yogui, you installed php through apt yes ?
[04:14] <Seveas> goofrider, check apt-cache show php4-gd
[04:14] <yogui> yes
[04:14] <Nermal> hum
[04:14] <Seveas> it provides php4-gd2 as virtial package
[04:14] <Nermal> that should work :|
[04:14] <yogui> i try to reinstall php4 ?
[04:14] <goofrider> Seveas: but php4-gd2 is a REAL package in Debian
[04:15] <Nermal> yogui, I doubt that will help
[04:15] <Seveas> well, Ubuntu != debian :)
[04:15] <goofrider> the Provides: line was refering to the REAL package it replaces
[04:15] <Nermal> yogui, apache is parsing php stuff ok yes ?
[04:15] <Nermal> its just dying on gd stuff ?
[04:15] <yogui> yes
[04:15] <Nermal> hmmm
[04:15] <Nermal> what's the actual error ?
[04:16] <goofrider> yogui: did u add the requires lines in the php.ini files?
[04:16] <Nermal> I didn't think you needed to
[04:16] <yogui> no, i don't write anything on php.ini
[04:16] <goofrider> well debconf would have done it for u
[04:16] <goofrider> and u'll have to restart apache if u use modphp
[04:16] <yogui> the error is with imagecreatefromjpeg()
[04:17] <zoddan^wlan> http://zoddan.mine.nu/ubuntu.png what do you think now ?
[04:17] <Nermal> very nice.. though I prefer gdesklets ;)
[04:17] <goofrider> admn i;m hungry
[04:18] <goofrider> I can't type when i'm hungry
[04:18] <goofrider> LOL
[04:18] <Nermal> zoddan^wlan, http://nermal.org/gallery/albums/5/54.jpg  for example
[04:18] <Nermal> though thats reasonably old now :|
[04:18] <zoddan^wlan> ok
[04:19] <priest> is there a netinstall to hoary?
[04:19] <Nermal> and psi displays / sensors don't like the new gdesklets
[04:20] <goofrider> priest: unnfornutaely there isn't
[04:20] <Xappe> Nermal: is that the GNANT icon theme?
[04:20] <Nermal> Xappe, gant icons yes.. not an actual theme as such
[04:21] <Xappe> Nermal: ok
[04:21] <Nermal> gah.. I have to do battle with a windows machine :(
[04:21] <njassa> someone who now how to get soundsticks too work in ubuntu?
[04:21] <spidna> hi guys how do i get and  install xmms
[04:22] <goofrider> Nermel: burn it burn it
[04:22] <Nermal> sudo apt-get install xmms
[04:22] <yogui> if i make a phpinfo, i must have GD lines ?
[04:22] <jamesio> morning
[04:22] <spidna> Nermal that does not work for me
[04:22] <goldfish_> spidna: apt-get install xmms
[04:22] <goofrider> yogui. Phpinfo should tell u if GD is enabled
[04:22] <Nermal> spidna, you on 64 bit ?
[04:22] <goofrider> if not, the php.ini lines are missing
[04:22] <yogui> ok so it isn't
[04:23] <goofrider> Debconf possibly only added the lines to php-cli and php-cgi but not mod-php4
[04:23] <goldfish_> zoddan^wlan: what irssi theme is that, a custom one?
[04:23] <goofrider> just add it manually
[04:23] <reD_Rum> how do i enable dma acceleration for my cdrom drive  (/dev/hdc) ?
[04:23] <spidna> i'm getting xmms has no installation candidate
[04:24] <Nermal> reD_Rum, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/<cddevice>
[04:24] <goofrider> how do u know DMA is not enabled?
[04:24] <Nermal> so hdc in this case
[04:24] <goofrider> just wondering.. since a lot of ppl asked about DMA
[04:24] <Nermal> goofrider, it's not on cdrom drives for some reason
[04:24] <tritium> goofrider, hdparm will tell you
[04:24] <reD_Rum> Nermal: thanks
[04:24] <yogui> i try to add the line
[04:24] <Nermal> reD_Rum, I'm not sure how to make that permenant the ubuntu way :|
[04:25] <reD_Rum> Nermal: I'll just add it to a start up script
[04:25] <jamesio> anyone know the commandline to untar/gzip many files at one time?
[04:25] <Fator_Dee> can't you just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf?
[04:25] <reD_Rum> jamesio: just use the wildcard (*)
[04:25] <Nermal> tar xzvf <filename>
[04:25] <goofrider> kewl thanks Nermal
[04:25] <goldfish_> Fator_Dee: u can
[04:26] <Nermal> so filename could be *.tar.gz / etc
[04:26] <njassa> is it someone who now how to get soundsticks too work in ubuntu?
[04:26] <jamesio> ah... I put "tar -xzvf *.gz"  I guess the "-" was the bug
[04:26] <goofrider> soundsticks?
[04:27] <Nermal> jamesh, both should work
[04:27] <Nermal> are you sure they are all tar.gz files not some .gz files
[04:27] <Zindar> jamesio: no.. that will not work
[04:27] <Zindar> jamesio: the first argument is the file to unpack... the next are the files within that you want to unpack
[04:27] <Zindar> so you cannot go "tar xzvf *tar.gz"
[04:28] <Zindar> it will not work
[04:28] <Zindar> you have to do "for f in *.tar.gz; do tar xzvf $f; done
[04:28] <Zindar> that works
[04:28] <Nermal> ah
[04:28] <jamesio> thanks
[04:28] <Nermal> good old bash :)
[04:28] <jamesio> you're the man
[04:28] <Zindar> yes :)
[04:28] <jamesio> reminds me of dos too
[04:29] <jamesio> I downloaded the gkrellm2 theme pack and it had 197 tar.gz files
[04:29] <goldfish_> lol
[04:29] <goldfish_> yeah :)
[04:29] <jamesio> and it seems it wants them unpacked into their own dirs
[04:29] <goldfish_> it's annoying
[04:29] <goldfish_> just use that for loop
[04:29] <Zindar> jamesio: all well behaved tar-files unpack themselves with own dirs :)
[04:29] <Nermal> yah
[04:29] <Nermal> there is a tar option to probably ignore it
[04:29] <jamesio> ok... now... here's the next job....  got an easy way to partition a lot of drives with just simple ext3 and all the space on the drive?
[04:30] <jamesio> I have 13 hard drives on my machine, but using gparted takes way too long
[04:30] <Nermal> jamesh, hmm.. fdisk ? :)
[04:30] <jamesio> (before anyone asks, I'm staying away from raid)
[04:30] <goofrider> don't use fdisk
[04:30] <goofrider> use sfdisk or parted
[04:30] <Nermal> sfdisk ? :|
[04:30] <jamesio> ok...  I'll pull up their docs
[04:30] <goofrider> even fdisk's man page recommend again fdisk
[04:31] <goofrider> LOL
[04:31] <jamesio> thanks.  I'll look them up and see how I could script it
[04:31] <Nermal> :)
[04:31] <jamesio> it takes about a minute or so for a 300 gig drive to partition and format
[04:32] <jamesio> ok, people really made some freaky ass themes for gkrellm2
[04:35] <chrissturm> how can i rescue as much data as possible from a hdd that has read errors?
[04:35] <reD_Rum> if i wanna add DMA acceleration by default i add "/dev/hdc { dma = on }" to hdparm.conf?
[04:35] <goofrider> chrissturm: depends on what errors.
[04:35] <goofrider> and what file system
[04:35] <chrissturm> its ext3
[04:35] <jamesio> chrissturm, if it's really bad I suggest you invest in spinrite 6
[04:35] <REdz> u need to debug it and ge the specific error
[04:35] <REdz> different errors vary and mean alot of diff thing
[04:35] <goofrider> SpinRite is gr8
[04:36] <chrissturm> and the kernel says something like unrecoverablereaderror
[04:36] <jamesio> spinrite is the best
[04:36] <chrissturm> isnt spinrite just fat?
[04:36] <jamesio> it *will* recover the data
[04:36] <jamesio> nomasteryoda, it does ext2 and ext3 now
[04:36] <jamesio> version 6
[04:36] <chrissturm> kewl
[04:36] <tritium> chrissturm, what filesystem were you using, out of curiosity?
[04:36] <chrissturm> ext3
[04:36] <krat3r> i'm having a problem... the terminal doesn't recongnize any cmd it always appear this "bash: <cmd>: command not found"
[04:37] <goofrider> spinrite works @ the sector level
[04:37] <jamesio> but it also recognizes and will work with partitions
[04:38] <krat3r> goofrider, can you help me?
[04:38] <jamesio> true, the recovery is at the sector level, but it will let you work on just a partition
[04:38] <goofrider> why me/??
[04:38] <goofrider> LOL
[04:38] <goldfish_> lol
[04:38] <goldfish_> krat3r: what command are you running?
[04:39] <goofrider> i'm just saying that it trys to read each sector and mvoe it to another good sector
[04:39] <krat3r> each one i run, for example "ls" or "./configure"
[04:39] <goldfish_> oh dear
[04:39] <goldfish_> ls is not found?
[04:39] <goofrider> krater: sounds like a bad PATH
[04:39] <krat3r> yeah
[04:39] <REdz> get another hard drive and use dd
[04:39] <REdz> and dd the whole lot to the newer disk
[04:39] <goofrider> or u mounted some random partition as /
[04:39] <Nermal> krat3r, you are just typing ls
[04:40] <Nermal> no quotes, nothing /
[04:40] <krat3r> yeah
[04:40] <Nermal> erm
[04:40] <Nermal> what does export |grep PATH say ?
[04:40] <krat3r> with the bar ??
[04:40] <Nermal> yah
[04:40] <krat3r> | ??
[04:41] <Nermal> YAH
[04:41] <krat3r> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
[04:41] <Nermal> mit das bar
[04:41] <Nermal> ummm
[04:41] <goofrider> or just "echo $PATH"
[04:41] <goldfish_> lol
[04:41] <goofrider> what???
[04:41] <Nermal> :)
[04:42] <Nermal> eep
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> hey, how could I find out all those $PATH and other $-thingys there are on my system?
[04:42] <tritium> env
[04:42] <Nermal> ooh
[04:42] <Fator_Dee> oo, thanks
[04:42] <Nermal> is env different to export
[04:43] <Nermal> ah yes.. it seems to be :|
[04:43] <goofrider> how is env gonna work if ls doesn't work?
[04:43] <krat3r> echo $PATH - results in " /home/enzo/mono1.1.4/bin "... there's something wrong here
[04:43] <krat3r> that's not my username
[04:43] <goofrider> I though ls is a bash built in as well as cmd
[04:43] <goofrider> kra: is that the full path?
[04:43] <Nermal> krat3r, I think you've / or a script has done export PATH=/path/to/somewhere  not export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/somewhere
[04:44] <Nermal> thus replacing the path not appending it
[04:44] <Nermal> have you edited ~/.profile or .bashrc ?
[04:45] <krat3r> .bashrc ... i was trying to install mono with monodevelop
[04:45] <Nermal> in which case.. make sure you are doing export PATH=$PATH:/extra/path/here not just export PATH=/extra/path/here
[04:45] <Nermal> krat3r, ahh
[04:45] <Nermal> erm... k...
[04:45] <Nermal> what editor did you use ?
[04:45] <krat3r> gedit
[04:45] <krat3r> through the cmd line
[04:45] <Nermal> ah
[04:46] <Nermal> well do /usr/bin/gedit ~/.bashrc
[04:46] <Nermal> and edit it again..
[04:46] <goofrider> krat3r: but who's enzo?
[04:46] <Nermal> or show us the line you added
[04:46] <goofrider> why did mono install to someone else's path?
[04:47] <mmichelli> i need "modprobe snd-seq " to run automatically, what the best way?
[04:47] <digitus> where do i find the config file of gedit? (i can't find a .gedit in my home dir) i need my customized python highlighting
[04:47] <Nermal> erm.. it didn't it looks like he's installed it manually to his home dir
[04:47] <krat3r> there's more than one
[04:47] <goofrider> kra: u said it wasn't your username
[04:47] <Nermal> digitus, gconf-editor
[04:47] <krat3r> Nermal, there's more that one line
[04:47] <Nermal> goofrider, unless he copied the howto exactly :|
[04:47] <krat3r> i've done it through cmd line
[04:47] <goofrider> Nermal: Doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:47] <Nermal> krat3r, the export PATH line is the one you want
[04:48] <Nermal> and mono is in apt as is monodevelop
[04:48] <Nermal> so you shouldn't need to do all this
[04:48] <Nermal> best thing is to delete the lines you added, save the file and start over using apt
[04:48] <krat3r> Nermal, but with the version in the apt-get the monodevelop doesn't compile or build
[04:48] <Nermal> krat3r, sudo apt-get install monodevelop ?
[04:49] <krat3r> yeah
[04:49] <Nermal> that's already built
[04:49] <Nermal> that should just work(tm)
[04:49] <mp3j> why does ubntu live cd trying to install itself when i run it?
[04:50] <krat3r> but with that version the icons in the monodevelop doesn't work, or the commands to compile or build the source
[04:50] <Nermal> erm because you've download the wrong cd
[04:50] <krat3r> do you get it?
[04:50] <Nermal> downloaded*
[04:50] <goofrider> mp3j: Ubuntu Live doesn't install itself. The live installer just need to detect some hardware
[04:50] <Nermal> krat3r, umm.. I imagine you can get a newer version .. one sec
[04:50] <mp3j> oh ok
[04:51] <mp3j> i was afraid it was trying to install itself
[04:51] <goofrider> but if it ask u to partition your drive, then it;s the wrong CD
[04:51] <goofrider> LOL
[04:51] <mp3j> no iit didnt asked that yet
[04:51] <Nermal> krat3r, mono 1.1.6 is in backports
[04:51] <digitus> Nermal, i cant find a file named "gconf-editor"
[04:52] <mp3j> it says theres is a problem trying to read from my cd rom is this a bug?
[04:52] <mp3j> my cd rom is running fine
[04:52] <mocker> hmm
[04:52] <goofrider> mp3j: nah, just bad CD
[04:52] <krat3r> yes, i've alreay installed mono 1.1.6 and monodevelop 0.5.1, and that's when the problems happened
[04:52] <mocker> Shouldn't my root password be the same one as my sudo one?
[04:52] <mp3j> i just burn this image
[04:52] <goofrider> there's no root password
[04:52] <mp3j> using k3b
[04:53] <mocker> what do you do when it asks you for the root password then?
[04:53] <mp3j> lemme changee to my other dvd drive
[04:53] <goofrider> mp3j: an it can still be a bad burn.
[04:53] <goldfish_> mocker: enter ur sudo one.
[04:53] <Nermal> digitus, it's a command
[04:53] <Nermal> gnome uses an xml config file format
[04:53] <elcu> mocker: when does it ask for your root pswd?
[04:53] <digitus> oops ok :>
[04:53] <mp3j> uhh
[04:54] <Nermal> krat3r, hmm.. I can see how to get mono 1.1.6 but not a new monodevelop :|
[04:54] <mp3j> corrupt image
[04:54] <mp3j> hmm
[04:54] <goofrider> Nermal: check the Mono for Deiban project packge
[04:54] <goofrider> they have a newer Monodevelop as well I believe
[04:54] <Nermal> goofrider, ah.. it's for krat3r :)
[04:54] <goofrider> right right
[04:55] <goldfish_> hello Echylo
[04:55] <mp3j> how big should be 5.04 live 386?
[04:55] <Echylo> heey :)
[04:55] <mp3j> 200 and something?
[04:55] <Nermal> mp3j, try 600
[04:55] <Echylo> 500?
[04:55] <goofrider> 600 something
[04:55] <mp3j> shit
[04:55] <Nermal> :)
[04:55] <mp3j> thanks
[04:55] <Nermal> what did you download it with ?
[04:55] <goofrider> np
[04:55] <mp3j> lemme get it again
[04:55] <Nermal> wget ? firefox ?
[04:55] <goofrider> LMAO
[04:55] <mp3j> mozilla
[04:55] <Echylo> wait let me check I got it on my pc
[04:55] <Nermal> hmm.. ok :)
[04:55] <goofrider> use BitTorrent
[04:56] <goofrider> for the love of god and bandwidth
[04:56] <Echylo> I downloaded it with torrent
[04:56] <Echylo> at 350 kbs
[04:56] <Echylo> my max
[04:56] <mp3j> i got my image 586
[04:56] <Echylo> its 624.9MB ;)
[04:56] <goofrider> and it hashes the file, so there's no chance it'll be corrupted or incomplete
[04:56] <goofrider> :)
[04:57] <mp3j> how come it did not burn right md5 check sum on k3b said it was ok
[04:57] <Echylo> ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso = > 624.9MB
[04:59] <cyphase> *happy sigh* i can't wait until Breezy comes out
[04:59] <jamesio> just had an interesting thing show up.  I partitioned an external usb2 300 gig drive using gparted, but sfdisk says that the partition is the wrong size and should be recreated
[04:59] <cyphase> if they can get all the features on the Brezzy goals list...
[04:59] <cyphase> wow
[05:00] <mp3j> ok im downloading again
[05:00] <alexandre> re
[05:00] <alexandre> is there a way to change the "gnome splash screen", where there is ubuntu written (after login into gdm)
[05:00] <goofrider> jamesio: I don't know what I can tell u. Parted, sfdisk, and fdisk like to disagree a lot
[05:01] <elcu> alexandre: system->admin->login
[05:01] <Nermal> cyphase, url ?
[05:01] <jamesio> goofrider, that's funny.  so, which is the "most stable" of programs?
[05:01] <goofrider> fdisk should be the least trusted. between sfdisk and parted, I don't know. It's been case by case basis for me
[05:02] <alexandre> elcu no, not this one
[05:02] <goofrider> I tend to use GUI apps (PartitionMagic and Acronis) and they like to disagree sometimes as well
[05:02] <elcu> alexandre: ah, you mean that little banner?
[05:02] <alexandre> yep
[05:02] <jamesio> goofrider, you don't happen to know how to tell sfdisk to use "all of the disk", do you?  the --help doesn't show anything like it
[05:02] <goofrider> your best shot is dump the art table from but parted and sfdisk and compare them to what u KNOW is the correct spec
[05:03] <jamesio> goofrider, I have too many disks to sit down and figure out their sizes...
[05:03] <elcu> alexandre: no idea. sorry. /join #gnome perhaps
[05:03] <goofrider> jamesio: I don't think sfdisk has such feature. It seems to REQUIRES start/end params
[05:03] <jamesio> goofrider, that's even funnier... I have no idea what the specs are supposed to be for all of the drives.  I've blown away my windows server and am starting fresh in ubuntu
[05:04] <reD_Rum> when i'm playing something with xmms (i've tried both ALSA and OSS), if i open another application, sound on it will not work. How can I have sound working both on multiple applications at once?
[05:04] <goofrider> jamesio: I know it kinda sucks. But I think your best shot is first figure out if the sfidk warning is anything to worry about and if parted did the right job
[05:04] <jamesio> goofrider, put yourself in my shoes... I have 14 hard drives (7 internal, 7 external usb2) ranging in size from 80 gig to 300 gig
[05:04] <goofrider> cuz if it does, u can use just parted as is
[05:04] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: You must use the eSounD output in XMMS.
[05:05] <sp> Hi. I installed ubuntu hoary from the CD just. How do i change my screen resolution? my monitor does 1280, but the currently X is at 1024
[05:05] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: it doesn't work
[05:05] <paulproteus> But you should prefer Beep Media Player to XMMS.  BMP is a drop-in replacement that uses a modern UI toolkit, unlike XMMS.
[05:05] <elcu> jamesio: that's a lot of porn. ;-)
[05:05] <jamesio> goofrider, and I want to partition each as a separate drive...  (just how I do things for safety sakes)
[05:05] <jamesio> hahahahhaa
[05:05] <goofrider> james: I know you pain. I had to manage 5-7 partitions on 2 drives and I'm about to explode sometimes
[05:05] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: What exactly doesn't work?
[05:05] <paulproteus> The esd output?
[05:05] <jamesio> funny thing, I have 0 porn on any of mymachine
[05:05] <paulproteus> Or Beep media player?
[05:05] <jamesio> eruin, my machines
[05:06] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: If i try using esound, then it gives me an error saying couldn't open audio
[05:06] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: What desktop?  KDE or GNOME?
[05:06] <jamesio> I did have 100's of dvds that I ripped from my collection for a media player, but one crash caused me to drop windows like a bad gf
[05:06] <reD_Rum> paulproteus: GNOME
[05:06] <jamesio> howdy thor
[05:07] <paulproteus> reD_Rum: It's very strange that esd wouldn't work, then.  It could have to do with you trying the other output schemes first.
[05:07] <sp> Can someone help? I want to increase resolution from 1024 to 1280
[05:07] <thoreauputic> hi jamesio
[05:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:07] <jamesio> goofrider, I think I'm going with gparted... even though I bitched that it's slow, it does at least allow me "ease of use"
[05:08] <elcu> reD_Rum: i'd recommending searching ubuntuforums.org first.  or you could take a look at: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly i have no idea what that does though.
[05:08] <jamesio> goofrider, and it seems to work... just wish there were an easy way to auto add any new partitions to /etc/fstab
[05:08] <goofrider> james: can u use the sfdisk -s option to get each hdd's size, then pass it to sfidsk again to partition it?
[05:08] <alexandre> is there a tool to manually edit gnome menu?
[05:08] <elcu> alexandre: vim?
[05:08] <cyphase> does anyone know of a good BIND config tool?
[05:08] <sig> alexandre: yes
[05:09] <elcu> alexandre: sudo gedit /boot/grub/,menu.lst
[05:09] <goofrider> james: gparted use the parted library, so u'll still have the same error from sfdisk
[05:09] <elcu> s/,menu.lst/menu.lst
[05:09] <sig> alexandre: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[05:09] <thoreauputic> elcu: er..no
[05:09] <sig> elcu: dude "gnome menu"
[05:09] <sig> not the boot menu
[05:09] <sig> hah
[05:09] <sp> sig, can you help me a bit?
[05:09] <elcu> thoreauputic: ah, whoops. :-) i think i need some sleep
[05:09] <jamesio> hehehehe... total blocks: 31,228,119,988
[05:09] <sig> sp with what
[05:10] <goofrider> I'm not a huge fan of sfdisk interface, but the parition tables it generate seems to be best quality
[05:10] <jamesio> oops
[05:10] <thoreauputic> elcu: :)
[05:10] <sp> sig, i just installed 5.04 and want to incrase screen resolution from 1024 to 1280... how do i do it?
[05:10] <jamesio> total blocks: 3,122,819,988
[05:10] <g0dot> can I change the default size of the terminal window?
[05:10] <medication> has anyone addressed the install issue of stalling at 25% during  "Configuring apt..." ?
[05:10] <medication> see this thread as a reference: http://tinyurl.com/dkt46
[05:11] <sig> sp ok: System > Preference > Screen Resolution
[05:11] <sig> change it there
[05:11] <sp> sig, that does'nt show 1280 :( but my screen does 1280
[05:12] <cyphase> does anyone know of a good BIND config tool?
[05:12] <goofrider> jamesio: sorry if I can't be more helpful. Partitiong is something I've been struggling with
[05:12] <sig> sp ok open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look at the very bottom, you'll see screen resolutions, is 1280x1024 in there?
[05:12] <sp> wait.
[05:12] <jamesio> goofrider, nah... you have been helpful.  you've shown to me that it's "not just me"
[05:13] <Nermal> cyphase, webmin ?
[05:13] <cmg_> i have a list that I need to convert every element in.  Is it better to use list comprehensions, or to use map or filter along with a lambda function?
[05:13] <goofrider> I gurantee u fdisk sucks though. Fdisk wrote a part table with oartitions that ended outside my hdd physical boundary
[05:13] <goofrider> it
[05:13] <cmg_> lol sorry wrong channel
[05:13] <goofrider> it's scary
[05:13] <cyphase> Nermal, i don't want to have to install webmin
[05:13] <medication> sorry all
[05:13] <comforteagle> how do I add my new usb wireless card to ubuntu?
[05:13] <Nermal> cyphase, ah :|
[05:13] <jamesio> this is just a learning experience for me.  I am slowly moving things to linux... been at it for a week and use it more each day
[05:13] <sig> comforteagle: plug it in
[05:13] <sp> sig, nope there is'nt, sadly.
[05:13] <sig> it should recognize it
[05:13] <sig> sp ok sudo -s
[05:13] <Nermal> comforteagle, plug it in and hope.. if not, read up on ndiswrapper ?
[05:14] <Nermal> what wifi dongle is it ?
[05:14] <goofrider> cyphase: do u have to use BIND? can u se DNSmasq? (Which is a please to use)
[05:14] <sp> sig, what password do i put in?
[05:14] <goofrider> which is a pleasure*** to use
[05:14] <sp> sig, ok, i am root now.
[05:14] <Nermal> your user pass
[05:14] <jamesio> I took my inspiron and put xp back on it (was using it as a test machine) in preparation for me to move all my "xp stuff" to it and make my desktop ubuntu only
[05:14] <sig> then add 1280x1024 to the xorg.conf and restart X then try the System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[05:14] <reD_Rum> okay.. i got esound to work. but now in audacity sound doesn't work and there are no devices listed
[05:14] <sig> comforteagle: plug it in
[05:14] <sp> sig, ok, be back in a bit :)
[05:14] <Nermal> reD_Rum, I'd use alsa
[05:14] <Nermal> :)
[05:15] <Nermal> sound daemons just make things more complicated
[05:15] <jamesio> goofrider, know of an easy way to add partitions to /etc/fstab (short of editing it myself?)
[05:15] <reD_Rum> Nermal: but alsa doesn't let me use sound on multiple applications
[05:15] <sig> once it's plugged in comforteagle  go to: System > Administration > Networking
[05:15] <Nermal> reD_Rum, it should do
[05:15] <comforteagle> sig: plugged it in.. is there a networking wizard?  It isn't showing up in network admin
[05:15] <comforteagle> damn
[05:15] <Nermal> reD_Rum, unless you have an ISA soundcard
[05:15] <Nermal> PCI soundcards usually do hardware mixing
[05:15] <g0dot> is there an ubuntu install cd which is completely compiled for i686?
[05:15] <sig> comforteagle: what card is it?
[05:15] <comforteagle> dlink
[05:15] <Nermal> g0dot, nope
[05:15] <thoreauputic> g0dot: no
[05:15] <reD_Rum> Nermal: nope.. built in pci
[05:15] <sig> should work
[05:16] <Nermal> g0dot, why would you need that ?
[05:16] <sig> hold on
[05:16] <goofrider> james: nope. u can try wrting a script to create mount point and add ti ftsab for u
[05:16] <reD_Rum> Nermal: worked with windows
[05:16] <Nermal> reD_Rum, useless info
[05:16] <Nermal> it should work with alsa
[05:16] <g0dot> Nermal: wouldn't it run a bit faster?
[05:16] <Nermal> g0dot, probably not
[05:16] <SilvioTO> Hi, help please, I have problem with D-Link DSL-502T ADSL router in Hoary; connect but don't browse web. Thanks.
[05:17] <Nermal> considering most apps spend their time waiting for user input
[05:17] <jamesio> goofrider, what I think I'm going to do is physically label all the exernal drives one-by-one and partition/name them in ubuntu with the label name
[05:17] <Nermal> you'd get far bigger performance gains chosing the right filesystem etc
[05:17] <jamesio> goofrider, that way I can easily know which drive I need to take off in case of failure
[05:17] <g0dot> Nermal: I'm running it on a p2 and gnome is really sluggish, so it was just a thought :)
[05:17] <Nermal> SilvioTO, can you ping stuff ?
[05:17] <goofrider> g0dot: Ubuntu packages are alrready optimzed for 686, they just don't REQUIRE 686
[05:17] <Nermal> g0dot, hmm.. gnome is quite heavy now :|
[05:18] <goofrider> or so I was told by a dev in Ubuntuforums
[05:18] <g0dot> obviously
[05:18] <thoreauputic> g0dot: install xfce4 or one of the light window managers
[05:18] <g0dot> ok goofrider
[05:18] <SilvioTO> I don't tryed.
[05:18] <reD_Rum> Nermal: nope.. at least audacity doesn't work
[05:18] <sig> comforteagle: do you have the ndiswrapper installed?
[05:18] <Xappe> g0dot: XFce4 would be an alternative on a p2 I guess
[05:18] <thoreauputic> g0dot: the new xfce is very nice
[05:18] <comforteagle> sig: I'll check
[05:18] <Nermal> SilvioTO, give us some more info then
[05:18] <sig> lsmod
[05:19] <goofrider> james: if I were u, I'd do a super-RAID/LVM farm
[05:19] <amaro> hey guys.. wanna watch something funny... it's about linux: http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174
[05:19] <AstralJava> Does anyone have any ideas on how to progress; I'd need to be able to boot from USB stick, and I tried to install grub onto it when I installed Hoary, but now it doesn't seem to be there, and the LiveCD doesn't have that in it. I cannot install grub onto MBR, so I have no means to boot to the existing Hoary on the laptop.
[05:19] <sig> comforteagle: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23307.html <---- I found this link here
[05:19] <g0dot> yeah someone else suggested xfc4 to me already. maybe it would be a better choice
[05:19] <sig> not sure if it will help or not
[05:19] <Nermal> ifconfig give you ip? nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? ps ax show dhclient running ?
[05:19] <goofrider> transbuddha.com??? hehehehehehe
[05:19] <comforteagle> sig: thanks..
[05:19] <sig> comforteagle: wait!
[05:20] <reD_Rum> ok neither does other stuff
[05:20] <jamesio> goofrider, everyone keeps telling me that...  in windows I set the drives up individually and used robocopy to duplicate data to like-sized drives.  it worked for me... never lost anything (even after 2 bad "re-install the os" crashes)
[05:20] <SilvioTO> how I ping? from router? from console?
[05:20] <Nermal> SilvioTO, from console
[05:20] <sig>  DLink? Fast Ethernet (via-rhine driver) <--- is this what you have comforteagle ?
[05:20] <Nermal> but try ifconfig first, see if eth0 is up
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, it's usb
[05:21] <amaro> that flash was amusing, was it not?
[05:21] <sig> Nermal: it is "usb"
[05:21] <SilvioTO> please write me a command, an example, thanks
[05:21] <goofrider> AstralJava: do u need the USB stick to be a self-contained bootable enviroment, or just an emrgency boot kernel?
[05:21] <sig> so it wouldn't be eth0
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, oh :)
[05:21] <Nermal> well. it would be
[05:21] <Nermal> sig, and that was for SilvioTO anyway :P
[05:21] <sig> comforteagle: unplug it then  plug it back in and type: dmesg
[05:21] <sig> see what the output prints at the bottom
[05:21] <goofrider> AstralJava: either way, try using syslinux as a bottloader. It's better for removable media
[05:21] <Nermal> SilvioTO, ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: It should just contain enough information so that I could boot into that Hoary install. Not sure if it should have kernel itself or grub that points to correct partition.
[05:22] <medication> seems i may have been a bit hasty jumping to kubuntu...
[05:22] <osity> anyone know how to setup software raid1?
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: Syslinux? Okay, I'll look into it.
[05:22] <SilvioTO> thanks, I try and reconnect... one moment.
[05:22] <StarMkeSE> Damned! My internet connection in Ubuntu still refuses to connect :(
[05:22] <goofrider> AstralJava: then u don't need grub on the USB stick, use syslinux
[05:22] <medication> does anyone have some insight into what i can do to get past the stall at 25% of "Configuring apt..."
[05:22] <medication> ?
[05:22] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what connection ?
[05:22] <AstralJava> goofrider: Alright then. Thanks! :)
[05:23] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[05:23] <sig> medication: ctrl + c
[05:23] <sig> try again?
[05:23] <medication> again... for anyone interested here's a thread about the issue: http://tinyurl.com/dkt46
[05:23] <Nermal> medication, anything on the other consoles ?
[05:23] <osity> has anyone setup software raid one ? i need a walkthrough...
[05:24] <medication> sig: i've jumped out of the install at the configure user part... but haven't really had luck getting the install to continue from that part
[05:24] <Nermal> osity, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[05:24] <Nermal> GOOGLE
[05:24] <medication> Nermal: what other consoles?
[05:24] <Shufla> osity: it can be made with installer. btw google for "linux software raid", there is very good howto
[05:24] <Nermal> alt-f<etc>
[05:24] <thoreauputic> oh boy.. Konversation is a useless client.... back soon on another one
[05:24] <medication> ahhh
[05:24] <medication> don't know... but once it hits the stall the machine is frozen
[05:25] <Nermal> hmmmm
[05:25] <Nermal> may be an irq issue :|
[05:25] <osity> shufla:  i have had 0 luck weith the howto's ....none talk about the partitions,,,,do you know how to setup the partitioner?
[05:25] <Nermal> but I dunno
[05:25] <medication> no ability to esc /ctrl-c/alt-f
[05:25] <Shufla> how do i set up gnome, to have entry "Always on top" on special window menu? (i assume to use gconf, my net is lagged, google almost impossibile)
[05:25] <Nermal> osity, what partitioner ?
[05:25] <goofrider> medication: not sure what the installer doing at the time its stalled, but u might consider using debootstrap to install ubuntu as a last resort
[05:25] <osity> there is a partitioner in ubuntu....
[05:25] <medication> debootstrap?
[05:25] <Shufla> osity: there's some words about partitions. you cannot set up more then 1 parttition on /dev/md?, use LVM or make /dev/md[1-...]  for any partition
[05:26] <Zambba> Can I install kernel with apt-get in Ubuntu ?
[05:26] <Zambba> Like I can in Debian
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Zambba: yes
[05:26] <Zambba> ^^
[05:26] <osity> in hoary ...you can setup raid with the an interface...but i've had no luck....there seems to be lots of ways i guess....
[05:26] <osity> i'm looking for someonw that has done it.
[05:26] <goofrider> medication: U can use the live cd, run debootstrap and write a minial OS to the hard drive, chroot to it, and download the rest of the OS of the net
[05:26] <Zambba> s*it my firefox halted when I was downloading Ubuntu :(
[05:26] <thoreauputic> Zambba: apt-cache search linux-image and choose one
[05:27] <Shufla> osity: yes. read thourht raid howto - you *cannot* setup more than one partition on /dev/md
[05:27] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I still can't access.. I tried to use static IP and ifconfig says <IP_ADDRESS> as IP
[05:27] <Zambba> Hmm.. if I download most recent Ubuntu from the website do I have 2.6 kernel?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Zambba: try wget -c <URL>
[05:27] <Shufla> (sorry for my english)
[05:27] <tritium> Zambba, but don't choose 2.6.11 in hoary (it's unsupported)
[05:27] <Zambba> ok
[05:27] <thoreauputic> Zambba: yes, 2.6.10-5
[05:27] <medication> goofrider: I've used the Live CD just to make sure that my system was supported
[05:27] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, thats localhost
[05:27] <osity> shufla:  i have no idea how to setup the partitions.......(do i make a swap etc..)  if anyone has setup this on hoary ....help would be appreciated.....
[05:28] <SilvioTO> result of ping:   from <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination net unreachable. (My routeris connected with lan cable, and not usb)
[05:28] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what happens if you run dhclient eth0 ?
[05:28] <medication> goofrider: but how do i go about mounting my hdd
[05:28] <Nermal> or rather sudo dhclient eth0
[05:28] <StarMkeSE> Nermal it refuses... I doesn't recognize the command
[05:28] <goofrider> use the live cd to partition and mount the hdd on a mountpoint... like /mnt/newdrive
[05:28] <g0dot> can I install a second window manager and switch between them?
[05:28] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, what is the error ?
[05:29] <medication> goofrider: thanks! i'll give that a shot
[05:29] <Xappe> g0dot: yes
[05:29] <goofrider> use debootstrap to write a minimal OS there, chroot to it, and download the rest of the OS
[05:29] <thoreauputic> g0dot: yes
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, and if you run  sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[05:29] <goofrider> google for further instructions
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, and if you run  sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[05:29] <medication> cheers
[05:29] <goofrider> there are several howtos on the web
[05:29] <SilvioTO> result of ping:   from <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination net unreachable. (My routeris connected with lan cable, and not usb)
[05:29] <g0dot> ok goofrider
[05:29] <medication> thanks a bunch...
[05:29] <thoreauputic> g0dot: in fact you can install 3 or 4 if you wish
[05:29] <Nermal> SilvioTO, ran the command I said ?
[05:29] <StarMkeSE> Nermal When I try to access internet it says "connection refused..." and I don't get any ip from DHCP even if I type dhcpcd eth0 in the root
[05:30] <g0dot> thoreauputic: how would I switch between them?
[05:30] <comforteagle> sig: dmesg spat a load of info back at me.
[05:30] <SilvioTO> ha, ok, I go... on moment
[05:30] <sig> comforteagle: pastebin.com
[05:30] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, dhcpcd isn't in ubuntu I said dhclient
[05:30] <thoreauputic> g0dot: log out and choose a different one
[05:30] <Nermal> please read what I type
[05:30] <goofrider> g0dot: GDM and KDM will let u choose between most windows managers if u have them installed
[05:30] <g0dot> ah nice
[05:30] <mez> I need a little help
[05:30] <thoreauputic> g0dot: the login screen will give you session alternatives
[05:31] <mez> I cant seem to get my PC to function in Graphgical mode unless I completely delete my XFree86Config
[05:31] <g0dot> didn't know it was that easy
[05:31] <Nermal> and "it says connection refused" could mean anything
[05:31] <StarMkeSE> Nermal It doesn't like if I just typed SU
[05:31] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, you typed sudo dhclient eth0
[05:31] <Nermal> yes ?
[05:31] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I didn't like just the command SU...maybe it's default?
[05:32] <Nermal> SU ?
[05:32] <Nermal> why are you typing SU ?
[05:32] <mez> can anyone help me
[05:32] <StarMkeSE> A friend told me
[05:32] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, for the love of god
[05:32] <thenuke> mez: no one knows.
[05:32] <Nermal> read what I type
[05:32] <thenuke> mez: so.. no one answers..
[05:32] <mez> :(
[05:32] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: you probably mean `su` (lower case) but we use sudo in Ubuntu :)
[05:32] <goofrider> medication: hey I read the forum thread... Did u try static IP in the installer?
[05:33] <amaro> damn, mplayer doesn't let you right click it when it's embedded in webpages
[05:33] <Nermal> amaro, new versions do
[05:33] <Nermal> 2.80 for example
[05:33] <StarMkeSE> thoreauputic Aha! I'm not used at linux at all
[05:33] <medication> goofrider: no i hadn't tried that yet... at what point would i set the static address?
[05:33] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, sudo dhclient eth0
[05:33] <amaro> Nermal, i'll check out which version I have
[05:33] <Nermal> I think 2.70 is in hoary
[05:33] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: I suggest you read the howtos on the wiki and the FAQ
[05:34] <goofrider> medication: when it configure your LAN card
[05:34] <Nermal> I had to get 2.80 via a different repo
[05:34] <comforteagle_> sig: http://pastebin.com/282162
[05:34] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: I'll give you a URL
[05:34] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: hang on
[05:34] <StarMkeSE> thoreauputic Alright! I'll do so :)
[05:34] <goofrider> medication: choose expert mode mgith give u more options
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
[05:34] <SilvioTO> All rights reserved.
[05:34] <SilvioTO> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[05:34] <SilvioTO> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[05:34] <SilvioTO> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:0e:2e:01:13:fe
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:0e:2e:01:13:fe
[05:34] <SilvioTO> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPNAK from <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 8
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPOFFER from <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[05:34] <SilvioTO> DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:34] <SilvioTO> bound to <IP_ADDRESS> -- renewal in 1520 seconds.
[05:34] <medication> goofrider: right right... i've been using the default install method
[05:34] <goldfish_> uh oh
[05:35] <tritium> SilvioTO, please don't paste like that
[05:35] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions  and
[05:35] <Nermal> StarMkeSE, kindly explain why you are willing to listen to thoreauputic and not listen to 3 requests from me to enter the command stated
[05:35] <medication> goofrider: i'll give that the expert mode install a shot and try using a static ip
[05:35] <Nermal> SilvioTO, so you have an IP...
[05:36] <StarMkeSE> Nermal I'm listening to you but I need to read more about this to. I'm writning down all what you have said
[05:36] <medication> goofrider: that actually sounds like a potential solution
[05:36] <Nermal> SilvioTO, try sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:36] <thoreauputic> StarMkeSE: also read and follow http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:36] <sig> #
[05:36] <sig> #
[05:36] <sig> usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[05:36] <Nermal> I think I've had enough of noobs for today
[05:36] <Nermal> bye all
[05:36] <goofrider> medication: hope it works
[05:37] <goofrider> LMAo
[05:37] <medication> goofrider: Thanks!
[05:37] <goofrider> poor Nermal
[05:37] <SilvioTO> the ip <IP_ADDRESS>is router ip.
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> hi
[05:37] <goofrider> u know... some of u guys are thankless  LMAO
[05:37] <mez> where does ubuntu get tis default settings from
[05:37] <mez> for X
[05:37] <comforteagle_> sig: still doesn't show up in networking
[05:37] <mez> if there's no XF86Config
[05:37] <sig> comforteagle_: odd
[05:37] <s_yuan31tee> i need to install zlib1g-dev in order to install libpng10-dev
[05:37] <sig> try googling for it
[05:37] <goofrider> xorg.conf
[05:38] <amaro> Nermal, yup, I have version 2.7
[05:38] <s_yuan31tee> however, i dun find zlib1g-dev in my respitotary
[05:38] <guupsta> respiratory system
[05:38] <thoreauputic> mez: on Hoary it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:38] <goofrider> for the cmd tool, use xorgconfig
[05:38] <comforteagle_> sig: there's no pwr light either
[05:39] <mez> doesnt exist
[05:39] <fsmw> hi all!
[05:39] <sig> comforteagle_: it sounds like it doesn't have a driver/module assigned to it
[05:39] <sig> you need to find what driver you need for it
[05:39] <thoreauputic> mez: it should :)
[05:39] <comforteagle_> is there a ndiswrapper pkg for ubuntu?
[05:39] <fsmw> i got problems trying to run gmailfs on ubuntu, googling it seems that is a know problem but there's no solution available yet
[05:41] <s_yuan31tee> Hello, can anyone tell me where i can get zlib1g-dev for my warty :(
[05:41] <amaro> Anyone knows which repository includes mplayer version 2.8?
[05:42] <SilvioTO> SIOCADDRT: the file already exist
[05:43] <sp> sig: hey, thanks. i got 1280 resolution :)
[05:43] <osity> can raid be setup through x?
[05:44] <sp> hpnadig: hey, you the same on on orkut?
[05:44] <hpnadig> yep
[05:45] <sp> hpnadig: nice :) your on my cousin's list. i'm down at his place, installing linux first time
[05:46] <osity> i remember my first time....
[05:46] <osity> it makes me we
[05:46] <miketech> Hi, do you see a chance, that mono will be part of ubuntu in the future?
[05:46] <sp> osity: yup.
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> 'a part of a Ubuntu'
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> Mono is included in the repos.
[05:46] <amaro> as does java...
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> Do you mean full integration?
[05:46] <miketech> yeah well... installed by default :)
[05:46] <miketech> yup dataw0lf|w
[05:46] <dataw0lf|w> *shrug* I hope not.
[05:46] <amaro> miketech, java isn't even installed by default, and you want mono?
[05:47] <StarMkeSE> *deep sigh*
[05:47] <miketech> why not?
[05:47] <dataw0lf|w> miketech: there is still the MS threat hanging over Mono.
[05:47] <miketech> well because of application like beagle
[05:47] <dataw0lf|w> Granted, it wouldn't do THAT much damage... but enough.
[05:47] <Seveas> mono & beagle are in breezy
[05:47] <dead^^> hey, how can i get .AVI and .MPG codecs on Linux?
[05:47] <karljp> anyone know how to get thunderbird to use a certian persona/alias/replyaddress when it's replying to list mails?
[05:47] <Echylo> "Archive fixed | Please don't use Breezy yet"
[05:47] <StarMkeSE> I don't know..Now it even refuses to read from floppy :'(
[05:47] <Seveas> install w32codecs from marillat
[05:47] <Echylo> ;)
[05:47] <miketech> yeah, but we all know the discussions about Mono and microsoft and so on. will there be a solution in the future?
[05:48] <hpnadig> is there a firefox 1.0.3 update deb around in any repository?
[05:48] <miketech> well either saying yes or no. but continueing this discussions the next 3 years does not help anyone
[05:49] <sp> What is a good ftp application?
[05:49] <miketech> gftp?
[05:50] <gryphon> miketech: ok. lemme install it
[05:50] <SilvioTO> Nermal?
[05:50] <jeroen_> hpnadig: backports has 1.0.3
[05:50] <gryphon> is xchat 2.4.3 also in ubuntu?
[05:50] <Echylo> 2.
[05:50] <Echylo> 2.4.1
[05:51] <gryphon> ok.
[05:52] <hpnadig> jeroen_: thanks, whats the url?
[05:52] <gryphon> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:52] <gryphon> miketech: thanks. gftp is nice.
[05:53] <miketech> n.p.
[05:54] <zerby> well hello, may i ask a question?
[05:54] <zerby> can i i mean
[05:54] <goldfish_> go ahead
[05:54] <zerby> ive installed ubuntu
[05:54] <zerby> but i ant play mp3/wav
[05:54] <StarMkeSE> Can someone explain why sudo dhchpclient eth0 is refused?
[05:54] <zerby> and i suppose video
[05:54] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:54] <El> hi
[05:55] <PtitOurs> yeah ... he's right
[05:55] <zerby> wezzer, i need an entry ion sourcelist i thuink
[05:55] <tim1> kernel 2.6.12 just hit breezy, I'm gonna reboot now
[05:55] <mtbeedee> zerby, does it complain about libmikmod2 or something when you start it from the console?
[05:55] <dead^^> i got the w32codecs now. hoe i should install them?
[05:55] <ElChoNy> hola, alguien que hable castellno me puede ayudaR_
[05:55] <zerby> no mtbeedee
[05:56] <mtbeedee> dead^^ I think yuo can use sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:56] <zerby> i doubleklick on the mp3 icon
[05:56] <wezzer> zerby: yes, you need to enable universe
[05:56] <zerby> kaffeine starts up
[05:56] <zerby> wezzer, ?
[05:56] <zerby> in sourcelist?
[05:56] <dead^^> wtbeedee i'll try
[05:56] <wezzer> yes
[05:56] <zerby> k
[05:56] <wezzer> zerby: just open up synaptic
[05:56] <zerby> i did
[05:56] <wezzer> and go to settings -> repositories
[05:56] <zerby> k
[05:58] <zerby> i see wezzer tx
[06:00] <Echylo> anyone uses the game "enemy territory" around here?
[06:02] <larsrohdin> ilarsrohdn, testing=)
[06:02] <Echylo> anyway, when I try to launch "et" it hangs on "sound initialization", what can I do?
[06:03] <_david> any idea when kde-libs will be fixed in the repo?
[06:05] <_david> anyone?
[06:05] <_david> oh well
[06:05] <jeroen_> hpnadig: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[06:07] <x_or> Can anyone tell me how to switch from Gnome to XFCE?  I've installed the XFCE package, but I am not sure how I switch the window managers.
[06:08] <x_or> I see nothing in the menus, and I don't seem to have an .xinitrc file.
[06:08] <Fator_Dee> logout and choose xfce from the sessions
[06:08] <jeroen_> x_or, can't you click sessions when logging in and choose xfce?
[06:08] <MartySkitch> how did you install xfce
[06:08] <x_or> Using synaptic.
[06:08] <x_or> Let me logout and try it...
[06:08] <x_or> Bye
[06:08] <MartySkitch> then it should be listed as a session
[06:10] <ubuntu_> Hi
[06:10] <gryphon> bye
[06:10] <IFR> Hey everyone, installing IPW2200 wireless driver veresion 1.0.3 under Ubuntu 5.04 and 2.6.10-5-386. The card is working with WEP and version 0.9 now. How can I enable the
[06:10] <IFR> Crypto library support (CONFIG_CRYPTO), ARC4 cipher algorithm and CRC32 (CONFIG_CRC32) can anyone point me to in the kernel?
[06:10] <ubuntu_> Hi, I'm new to linux. >D
[06:10] <goldfish_> hey
[06:14] <osity> how important is the swap file?
[06:14] <osity> do i neeed it?
[06:14] <Echylo> yes
[06:14] <Echylo> :D
[06:14] <Echylo> you do need it
[06:14] <mez> To whoever it was helping me before: sorry for being a pain in the ass, but - I should really listen to you in future, lol... I'm just an idiot :D lol - I dont know ubuntu as well as you - and my paranoia about going back to a crappy even more f**ked up system got to me
[06:14] <mez> I did what the file said - and found out whyit hadnt worked
[06:14] <thoreauputic> mez: it's OK - I lost it a bit too :)
[06:14] <mez> It was tryin to use drivers for my Motherboard graphics card,
[06:15] <mez> instead of my added on one
[06:15] <osity> why ..im setting up an ftp server....?
[06:15] <thoreauputic> mez: I see
[06:15] <mez> which was why it wasnt working
[06:15] <thoreauputic> mez: OK well, all's well that ends well , right?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> mez: BTW those URLs I gave you are very useful too
[06:16] <osity> Echylo:.... why ..im setting up an ftp server....?
[06:17] <Taliesin`> (osity): it's somewhere for the system to swap contents out of RAM into
[06:17] <Taliesin`> or if the RAM is full it has a SWAP Partition to put it too, and because the swap partition is a certant area on the drive, the contects and shoved just randomly over the drive.
[06:18] <Taliesin`> even Windows has a Swap File for this same purpouse.
[06:18] <osity> if i sw raid 1  do i raid the swap paritions also?
[06:18] <Taliesin`> u dont need too no
[06:18] <Taliesin`> you could just as hapily put the swap file on the system drive.
[06:18] <Echylo> osity, just an ftp server?
[06:20] <osity> ya
[06:20] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/?page_id=19
[06:20] <osity> Echylo:.... why ?
[06:20] <sig> Ubuntu Screenshots
[06:21] <cyphase> Gates has tried Firefox, and he still thinks IE is better
[06:21] <cyphase> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4508897.stm
[06:21] <mez> nother question: on other distros, I've always been able to swtich to consoles by using ctrl+alt +Shit+Fx
[06:21] <Echylo> osity, how much memory will that pc be using?
[06:21] <mez> I can switch to one on this, but cant switch to another after...
[06:21] <osity> 512
[06:21] <mez> that meant to be the case?
[06:21] <osity> ill use 1gb of swap
[06:21] <Echylo> owke?
[06:21] <osity> Echylo: are you familiar with sw raid1?
[06:21] <Echylo> no :)
[06:22] <Echylo> you can classify me as noob+ ubuntu
[06:22] <thoreauputic> mez: no, it shouldn't be - you should be able to shift using alt-Fx or ctrl-alt-Fx
[06:22] <osity> nayone here know software raid stuff?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> mez: of course you would need to log on in the other tty
[06:23] <thoreauputic> after shifting
[06:23] <mez> yeah, I know
[06:23] <mez> I can shift, but i cant shift back
[06:24] <thoreauputic> mez why are you using the shift key in your combo?
[06:24] <mtbeedee> mez: what are you trying to shift back to?
[06:24] <mez> er... I dont know... I alwyas have done... and it doesnt make any difference
[06:24] <mez> and trying to shift back to anything
[06:24] <g0dot> nice.. xfce4 is reallz a lot more responsive than gnome
[06:24] <mtbeedee> you mean you can shift once and then not again?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> mez: you only need alt-Fx when out of X and ctrl-alt-Fx  when in it
[06:25] <g0dot> now I only need to find where to change the keyboard layout
[06:26] <thoreauputic> mez: if it's a laptop you might need to touch the fn key as well
[06:26] <mez> it aint a laptop
[06:26] <mez> lemme try
[06:26] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:26] <mez> if i sign out then :D It didnt work
[06:27] <mtbeedee> i wonder if when he switches out, it closes or resets that pty
[06:27] <cyphase> In a world without walls or fences, who needs Windows or Gates?
[06:28] <thoreauputic> mtbeedee: ubuntu is bog standard normal when it comes to switching from one tty to another, unless he has a keyboard config issue
[06:30] <selinium> hi thoreauputic!
[06:30] <mez> nope didnt work
[06:30] <bet0x> libflash-mozplugin.so crash my all browser
[06:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: hello again selinium :)
[06:30] <mez> lets me switch to tty1
[06:30] <mez> (ctrl alt f1)
[06:31] <mez> but, wont let me switch back (either alt f7, ctrl alt f7 or ctrl alt shift f7
[06:31] <thoreauputic> mez: alt-F7 to get back
[06:31] <selinium> thoreauputic: Glad your here solving all us newbies problems!
[06:31] <mez> thoreauputic, it didnt work :(
[06:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - I've had afew problems myself lately
[06:31] <mez> to get back :(
[06:31] <thoreauputic> mez: odd
[06:31] <mez> yeah thats what I thought.
[06:32] <mez> wouldnt let me switch to any other tty either
[06:32] <selinium> hi all, is there a way of opening the other half's evolution from my login, so she doesn't have to keep logging me off to read her mail?
[06:32] <mez> I thought previously it might be because I was running in runlevel 2 and other distros i ran runlevel 5
[06:32] <thoreauputic> mez: when in tty1, run ` sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart `
[06:32] <mez> but that didnt work either
[06:33] <thoreauputic> mez: debian distros don't play runlevel games
[06:33] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:33] <selinium> thoreauputic: have you found a solution yet?
[06:33] <mez> is there any more steps after that ?
[06:33] <mez> cause I wont be able to come back and say "done"
[06:33] <mez> lol
[06:33] <thoreauputic> selinium: for some obscure reason fluxbox won't co-operate with me on Hoary :(
[06:33] <mez> thoreauputic, lol... I didnt think it would be that really, but it was worth a try
[06:34] <thoreauputic> mez: did you try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[06:34] <thoreauputic> rats
[06:34] <thoreauputic> I love the way people just disappear and reappear just when you give them a tip
[06:35] <mez> lol
[06:35] <mez> yeah it got me back into X
[06:35] <mez> but on the login screen
[06:36] <mez> so it closed all my apps
[06:36] <mez> I dont want that
[06:36] <thoreauputic> mez: OK your session manager wasn't running I expect
[06:36] <mez> ?
[06:37] <mez> gdm ?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> yes
[06:37] <mez> gdm was running cause i used it to login to start :D
[06:37] <mez> lol
[06:37] <s_yuan31tee> have any success compile mplayer 1.0pre7?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> mez, it's possible you killed it in your X adventures though
[06:37] <jackass> Could someone help me??? Can't find my other hardrive?
[06:37] <mez> lol
[06:37] <mez> hmm
[06:38] <mez> er, well - i havent done anything in the last.... 5 reboots
[06:38] <mez> hey Stephen
[06:38] <mtbeedee> jackass: what do you mean?
[06:38] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have not used it myself.
[06:38] <mez> if I quit... it wasnt that
[06:38] <jackass> im new on linux, Can't find my second hard drive after installation
[06:38] <lotusleaf> mez: if god exists, neither has he
[06:38] <mtbeedee> type ls -l /dev/hdb*
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: do a ls -l /dev/hd*
[06:39] <jackass> explain? im neeb
[06:39] <jackass> noob*
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> not necessarily going to be on /dev/hdb
[06:39] <mtbeedee> that will tell it to list you hard drives
[06:39] <mtbeedee> hd = hard disk
[06:39] <g0dot> ok I dont find it.. where can I change the keyboard layout in xfc4, does anyone know (where the hell is the question mark)
[06:39] <yo2lux> i want to update my firefox in Ubuntu 5.04 to firefox 1.0.3. I use synaptic package manager but not find new updates for firefox, any idea ?
[06:39] <mtbeedee> the /dev dir is where devices go
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> no, it will only list the secondary master, if it exists.
[06:39] <mtbeedee> true
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: open a terminal, type ls -l /dev/hd* and tell us the output
[06:40] <goldfish> firefox 1..3 is vunerable too btw.
[06:40] <mez> nope, does same thing, wont let me back in through alt+f7, but restarting gdm works
[06:40] <yo2lux> goldfish yes but i want to upgrade
[06:40] <goldfish> g0dot: right click on desktop go into settings, should be a keyboard menu or something
[06:40] <goldfish> afaik 1.0.3 will not be in hoary
[06:40] <goldfish> only breezy
[06:41] <mez> any ideas?
[06:41] <mez> tis really weird
[06:41] <g0dot> goldfish: not for changing the keyboard languahe layout
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  0 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  1 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda1
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  2 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda2
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3,  5 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hda5
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3, 64 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hdb
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root disk   3, 65 2005-05-10 19:27 /dev/hdb1
[06:41] <mtbeedee> mez: maybe check you inittab?
[06:41] <jackass> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22,  0 2005-05-10 19:28 /dev/hdc
[06:41] <jackass> thas's came up
[06:42] <jackass> that*
[06:42] <mez> I dont see what can be wrong in the inittab though... that would do this
[06:42] <thoreauputic> mez, do you get a tty if you use, say,  ctrl-alt-F4 instead? I'm wondering if you have your /etc/inittab correctly set up
[06:42] <mtbeedee> jackass: it looks like you have a partition on a hard disk called hdb
[06:42] <mtbeedee> and hdc is a cdrom or something
[06:42] <jackass> y. and 1 called hda
[06:42] <goldfish> g0dot: oh right, something to do with your xorg.conf maybe? i know u csan change it there.
[06:43] <goldfish> *can
[06:43] <jackass> but i can only find 0ne of them
[06:43] <mez> thoreauputic, I have previously, but let me check
[06:43] <g0dot> ok goldfish
[06:43] <dataw0lf|w> jackass: mount /dev/hdb <mount point>
[06:43] <mtbeedee> what do you mean "only find"
[06:43] <mtbeedee> if you type "mount" it will tell you where they are mounted
[06:43] <mtbeedee> or check /etc/fstab
[06:44] <jackass> in mycomputer there is only 1 hdd
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> it's not mounting anywhere, jackass.
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> do a 'sudo mkdir /mnt/partition2'
[06:44] <selinium> hi all, is there a way of opening the other half's evolution from my login, so she doesn't have to keep logging me off to read her mail?
[06:44] <mtbeedee> jackass: does that mean you only have one physical drive?  but somehow have 2 devices listed?
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> then a 'mount /dev/hdb /mnt/partition2'
[06:45] <florian> hi
[06:45] <florian> i have a problem with my sources.list... it is gone...
[06:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: use gdmflexiserver - it's "log in as another user or something like that in the menu
[06:46] <g0dot> found it goldfish, thanks. and its really a lot faster than gnome
[06:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: so you can each have sessions running concurrently
[06:46] <goldfish> g0dot: cool, yeah xfce rocks.
[06:46] <_orospakr> hi! what is the best way of ensuring a certain set of packages (say, Kubuntu, openoffice, and a few other packages we need here) are installed on a small network of hoary boxes? (ie, pushing changes to them)
[06:47] <jackass> how to mount hd?
[06:47] <_orospakr> I know a text file with a list of packages on an httpd somewhere and a cron'd shell script on the boxes would work or something like that, but I wanted to know if there was some other method already.
[06:48] <mtbeedee> jackass: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/partition2
[06:48] <jackass> mount: monteringspunkten /mnt/partition2 finns inte
[06:49] <mtbeedee> jackass: uhh, what does that mean?
[06:49] <Mez__> weirdly... no i dont
[06:49] <selinium> thoreauputic: Fabulous! It works a treat!
[06:49] <thoreauputic> selinium: :)
[06:49] <jackass> partition2 doesn't excist
[06:50] <mtbeedee> then sudo mkdir /mnt/partition2 first
[06:50] <mmw> hi! can anyone help me with midi-playback? I installed timidity and freepats, but I can only hear the drums.
[06:50] <Mez__> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[06:50] <Mez__> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[06:50] <Mez__> 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3
[06:50] <Mez__> 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
[06:50] <Mez__> 5:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty5
[06:50] <Mez__> 6:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty6
[06:51] <Mez__> 2345 ??
[06:51] <thoreauputic> Mez__: uh, please recall what I said about using #flood
[06:51] <BoD_SWAT> can anyone tell me how to disable the ' " spacebar issue? When I use the SHIFT+" combination and then press the spacebar, then I get a ". How can I fix this?
[06:51] <mtbeedee> Mez__: that means it exists at that runlevel I think
[06:51] <Mez__> ah, ok, sorry about that
[06:51] <Mez__> well that makes sense why I dont get one now
[06:51] <Mez__> I'm at runlevel 5
[06:51] <Mez__> whereas before i was at 2
[06:52] <mtbeedee> change them all to 2345
[06:52] <mtbeedee> then telinit q
[06:52] <jackass> now it worked
[06:52] <Deffie> hi all, theres any package in universe/multiverse to allow rhythmbox (gstreamer ?) to play mp3s ?
[06:52] <mtbeedee> jackass: ls -l /mnt/partition2
[06:52] <mtbeedee> or cd there
[06:52] <mtbeedee> to see what's there
[06:52] <thoreauputic> Mez__: runlevel 5 isn't used in debian distros usually: the default is 2
[06:53] <BoD_SWAT> Deffie, try installing the codecs?
[06:53] <Mez__> ok done that mtbeedee
[06:53] <Juhaz> Deffie, gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:53] <jackass> it was the right drive
[06:53] <thoreauputic> mtbeedee: there is nothing wrong with his inittab
[06:53] <mmw> anyone?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Deffie:  gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:54] <mtbeedee> thoreauputic: ok... I was unsure if that would help or not
[06:54] <Deffie> Juhaz thank you :)
[06:54] <Mez> ah ok
[06:54] <Mez> so... now what to do
[06:54] <Deffie> thoreauputic you too :)
[06:54] <jackass> how do i ad it in computer
[06:54] <thoreauputic> Mez: have you altered your default runlevels?
[06:55] <Zambba> Is this disk configuration good to install Ubuntu to same disk with WinXP: http://hausjarvi.dyndns.ws/disk.PNG ? I'm planning to convert D: to FAT32.
[06:55] <florian> my sources.list is gone.. what can I do??
[06:55] <Mez> I changed my default runlevel from 2 to 5 ... but thats all.. and i did that this morning,
[06:55] <mmw> nobody has a clue how to enable midi-playback?
[06:55] <Mez> I've had this problem ever since i installed
[06:55] <thoreauputic> florian: run apt-setup
[06:56] <agent> anyone having problems logging in to ebay today using firefox? very annoying!
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: type `runlevel ` in a term and tell me the output
[06:56] <Mez> N 5
[06:56] <forsaker8k6> rms is such a great man... wow
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: sudo telinit 2
[06:56] <Mez> done
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Mez: you shouldn't be in runlevel 5
[06:57] <thoreauputic> Mez: ubuntu uses debian conventions: runlevel 5 isn't used normally
[06:57] <Mez> as i said earlier, I changed it cause of the whole thing to do with this, all other distros I've used used rl 5
[06:57] <thoreauputic> Mez: yes, confusing I know
[06:57] <Mez> anyways
[06:57] <Mez> now in rl 2
[06:58] <Mez> and I'll change my inittab to do that
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mez: your inittab looked fine
[06:58] <Mez> that was just the TTY bit of it
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Mez: or what i saw looked fine
[06:58] <mp3j> im sorry to say but that live cd from ubuntu is not that appealing
[06:58] <Mez> i just changed back to id:2:initdefault:
[06:58] <florian> thoreauputic, thx, I try!
[06:58] <mmw> can someone *please* tell me how to play midi files?
[06:58] <Mez> instead of id:5:initdefault:
[06:58] <ganymed> hi folks
[06:59] <Mez> which i changed earlier :D
[06:59] <wolfsmaul> hi
[06:59] <wolfsmaul> cu
[06:59] <thoreauputic> Mez: it's always a good idea to know the distro before you change fundamental system files ;-)
[06:59] <|iXiiOn|> can i plug in my digicam with ubuntu and is start a wizzard or something ?
[06:59] <jeroen_> mmw, I'd like to know aswell
[06:59] <kandinski> paging aaron waite!
[07:00] <Mez> lol ;) I assumed it worked the same as Gentoo (which is also debian based I believe?)
[07:00] <Fackamato> Hi
[07:00] <Fackamato> My sit1 interfaces doesn't startup automatically at boot
[07:00] <jeroen_> |iXiiOn|, I think you can
[07:00] <goofrider> Gentoo is completely in it's own class
[07:00] <Fackamato> I have to manually do sudo ifup sit1
[07:00] <forsaker8k6> Mez.. i would not say that
[07:00] <Fackamato> then it works
[07:00] <mmw> jeroen_, ok, so there's 2 of us. unfortunately, no one seems to have an answer.
[07:00] <Fackamato> my interfaces file is http://www.tehjunkyard.net/interfaces.txt
[07:00] <Fackamato> any ideA?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Mez: erm... no Gentoo is most definitely NOT Debian based
[07:00] <goofrider> not realted to any distro at all
[07:00] <jeroen_> mmw: yep :(
[07:00] <forsaker8k6> Gentoo do is Gentoo
[07:00] <agent> mmw, did you try the command play on the command line?
[07:00] <Mez> ah, I just guessed it was from the whole... installer thing
[07:00] <mmw> agent, "command not found"
[07:01] <WeirdAl> hello...
[07:01] <WeirdAl> Why doesn't "lock screen" do anything?
[07:01] <forsaker8k6> mmw, have you tryed with xmms?
[07:01] <agent> mmw, that's strange.... default ubuntu install has that installed (at least mine did)
[07:02] <agent> mmw, and do other files play fine? like, for example, mp3 or wav? if not it may be your soundcard having issues or speakers
[07:02] <okmit> Need help: Anyone knows where I could find HowTo for the official nVidia drivers? My problem is that the installere asks me for missing kernel modules
[07:02] <mmw> agent, others play fine
[07:02] <paulproteus> okmit: ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki should help you.
[07:03] <Mez> so, any ideas thoreauputic
[07:03] <agent> mmw, install the package sox
[07:03] <paulproteus> Use the ubuntu wiki instructions and you won't go wrong.
[07:03] <paulproteus> I'm outta here.
[07:03] <agent> mmw, use synaptc
[07:03] <mmw> forsaker8k6, xmms doesn't play it either
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: You can install the nvidia drivers with ubuntu packages
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: Is there a reason you are installing from source
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> mmm... what do yuo mean when you say it doesn't play: you can't hear any sound.. or it gives you an error or something
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> ?
[07:04] <danko123456> ls
[07:04] <Lathiat> okmit: install the nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386 (assuming your 386, maybe 686,k7 if you installed a non stdnard kernel0
[07:04] <mmw> agent, ok, now I've got play (thanks for that), but it gives me: sox: Failed reading /home/hoopdoc/Downloads/closer.mid: Do not understand format type: mid
[07:04] <forsaker8k6> :)
[07:05] <Mez> lmao :D I have a problem whcih is annoying and doesnt seem to happen to anyone else
[07:05] <Mez> lol
[07:05] <Mez> maybe i should just give up and wait for my hoary to arrive
[07:05] <jmjones> has anyone gotten wireless networking working under hoary with a dell laptop with an intel 2200 wireless chipset?
[07:05] <agent> mmw, are you using x86 or ppc? (not sure if this actually matters).. and you are using newest ubuntu, yes? (hoary)
[07:05] <okmit> Lathiat : ubuntu packages doesn't work fine, maybe because I have the Geforce Fx go5600 (Laptop chip)
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: ok, well the installer probably needs build-essential and linux-headers-2.6.10-386 installed
[07:06] <mmw> agent, x86 and hoary
[07:06] <agent> very strange then!
[07:06] <dabaSlon> Mez: maybe you should ask about your problem, 2...
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: also make sure to unintsall
[07:06] <Lathiat> okmit: nvidia-glx
[07:06] <Mez> dabaSlon, I already have :D
[07:06] <dabaSlon> ask again.
[07:06] <dabaSlon> :)
[07:07] <mmw> agent, are there any libraries or other things apart from freepats which could help?
[07:07] <agent> mmw, try and download midi files from the internet and play them... maybe your mid file was made some strange way
[07:07] <dabaSlon> and then again
[07:07] <Mez> you must have missed it, when thoreauputic wsa trying to help me
[07:07] <Mez> basically
[07:07] <dabaSlon> right, I just came in
[07:07] <okmit> Lathiat : I completely removed nvidia-glx
[07:07] <agent> mmw, to tell you the truth i am not very knowlegable about this... in fact i started using ubuntu two days ago :)
[07:07] <Mez> I cant ctrl +alt+Fx to a tty, but after I've done that, I cant go to any other TTY or back to X
[07:07] <dabaSlon> somehow my connection got dropped overnight
[07:07] <Lathiat> okmit: good
[07:07] <dabaSlon> what computer?
[07:08] <Mez> me?
[07:08] <Mez> er - cutom build
[07:08] <dabaSlon> not an apple, hey..
[07:08] <Mez> custom*
[07:08] <Mez> not an apple no
[07:08] <dabaSlon> I suppose you tried all possible combinations of keys?
[07:08] <jeroen_> agent, i have the same prob as mmw; i get the same error from play aswell
[07:08] <simas> how to install nforce2 sound and network drivers? i have downloaded 2.6.10 kernel source. when i run setup with --kernel-source-path it asks me for --kernel-output-path and i dunno what should it be set to
[07:08] <Mez> yip
[07:09] <okmit> lathiat : I'll try reinstalling after having linux-headers-2.6.10-386
[07:09] <Lathiat> okmit: yes you will definatley need that package
[07:09] <agent> mmw, i am searching packages and found the program/package playmidi.. maybe that will help (and, if needed, install libraries that you dont have for some strange reason)
[07:09] <krat3r> how do i rename a directory?
[07:09] <dabaSlon> yeah, that is strange, and yiu are right, I have no clue what could cause that
[07:09] <Mez> ;)
[07:09] <dabaSlon> mv dir/ dir_/
[07:09] <dabaSlon> in a terminal, in that directory where the dir/ is
[07:09] <dabaSlon> or
[07:09] <agent> mmw & jeroen_, let me actually try playing midi files on my pc... i never tried them :)
[07:10] <dabaSlon> throught gnome, f2
[07:10] <jeroen_> agent: that's the prob ;)
[07:10] <mmw> agent, but you're of great help anyway
[07:10] <okmit> Lathiat : Is the linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 package also required?
[07:10] <krat3r> dabaSlon, tnx
[07:10] <dabaSlon> k
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: yes
[07:11] <mmw> agent, I already tried playmidi (and pmidi and audacity ...), but all of them give me errors.
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: that is pulled in by that package
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: because its the latest version of the haeders
[07:11] <dabaSlon> just to make sure you understand...if the folder is in yuor home folder, then go to the home folder, and do what I said.
[07:11] <jeroen_> agent: These gave me errors aswell
[07:11] <Lathiat> okmit: please run "uname -r" and paste to me
[07:11] <agent> mmw jeroen_ do you ugys know of a site that has midi files i can download?
[07:11] <jeroen_> well, I wanted to play the song of the Vatican, for fun
[07:12] <jeroen_> Found it on Wikipedia
[07:12] <jackass> i can't find my sec. hdd in my computer, (I'm a noob)
[07:12] <okmit>  Lathiat : # uname -r
[07:12] <okmit> 2.6.10-5-386
[07:12] <mmw> agent, I have the one I'm trying to play from here: http://www.nrw-schwarz.de/download_handy.htm
[07:12] <simas> so no suggestions?
[07:12] <dabaSlon> jackass: it is your second hard drive, right?
[07:12] <jackass> japp
[07:12] <jackass> yes
[07:12] <jeroen_> http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/sp_ss_scv/inno/inno_scv_musica.mid
[07:12] <mmw> agent, I tried "closer" by nin
[07:13] <dabaSlon> jackass: type in ls /dev in a terminal, and paste the outputto http://pastebin.com , please
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: cool
[07:13] <Zambba> Is this good partitioning scheme? http://hausjarvi.dyndns.ws/disk.PNG
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: thats fine
[07:13] <dabaSlon> then give me the URL
[07:13] <Lathiat> okmit: keep going
[07:13] <Lathiat> Zambba: looks fine
[07:13] <jeroen_> looks good Zambba, depends on your use
[07:13] <dabaSlon> Zambba: what do you even mean good
[07:14] <dabaSlon> valid?
[07:14] <Zambba> yea :P
[07:14] <jeroen_> it looks okay
[07:14] <dabaSlon> does it work?
[07:14] <dabaSlon> i just learned what lmao means.
[07:14] <dabaSlon> I hate all he acronyms...too many...
[07:14] <agent> mmw jeroen_ just so you guys know, i cant play them either :(
[07:14] <jackass> done
[07:14] <dabaSlon> but, they will come in handy...
[07:14] <jeroen_> dabaSlon: install bsdgames, and then use wtf
[07:14] <jackass> dabaSlon
[07:14] <jeroen_> you can "wtf lmao"
[07:15] <jeroen_> and it'll tell you the meaning! :D
[07:15] <dabaSlon> jackass: give me the URL, please.
[07:15] <Zambba> :D
[07:15] <dabaSlon> hehe, nice program.
[07:15] <dabaSlon> I have dict
[07:15] <jackass> http://pastebin.com/282231
[07:15] <mmw> agent, ok. now we're 3. but shouldn't such a basic feature be accessible by default?
[07:16] <dabaSlon> jackass: your second hard drive seemds to have only one partition, is that right?
[07:16] <jeroen_> is midi non-restricted?
[07:16] <jeroen_> ?? restricted
[07:16] <jackass> yes
[07:16] <jeroen_> Any Ubuntu-devs around?
[07:16] <dabaSlon> jackass: what would you like to do, view the files? And, what filesystem is the hard drive?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> jeroen_: try #ubuntu-dev
[07:17] <jeroen_> ah, okay
[07:17] <Kamion> jeroen_: mm?
[07:17] <Lathiat> jeroen_: whats the problem?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> #ubutnu-devel
[07:17] <dabaSlon> whatever, you get the point,
[07:17] <jeroen_> mmw, let's go to #ubuntu-devel!
[07:17] <Lathiat> dabaSlon: No, please do not send users there, it is not for help, it is for development discussion.
[07:17] <jeroen_> oh, okay
[07:17] <jeroen_> then I won't go
[07:17] <Lathiat> jeroen_: Whats the problem?
[07:17] <dabaSlon> Lathiat: thanks for letting me know.
[07:18] <jeroen_> But you see.. there's no midi playback in Ubuntu
[07:18] <tritium> dabaSlon, this is the proper place for questions
[07:18] <dabaSlon> tritium: thanks.
[07:18] <mmw> Lathiat, we cannot play midi files
[07:18] <jeroen_> not even when you install midiplay
[07:18] <jackass> i would like to see the drive where you see the floppy and cd, like "My Computer" and filesystem i'm not sure
[07:18] <Lathiat> You probably dont have hardware synthesizer support
[07:18] <Lathiat> 'timidity' is a software synth
[07:18] <tim_> anyone know if there is a e17-ubuntu in the works? I saw a mention that there was talk of it in an interview with mark shuttleworth (think thta was the name)
[07:18] <Lathiat> you should try that
[07:18] <jeroen_> I tried timidity
[07:18] <dabaSlon> jackass: cool, can be done, what filesystem does it use? is it a windows hard?
[07:19] <Zambba> /bin/sh: line 1: wtf: command not found
[07:19] <jackass> yes, i think it is ntsf
[07:19] <mmw> Lathiat, I installed that. And freepats, too.
[07:19] <agent> mmw jeroen_ , did you guys try timidity + freepats?
[07:19] <jeroen_> Zambba: you need bsdgames
[07:19] <dabaSlon> (12:16:13) jeroen_: dabaSlon: install bsdgames, and then use wtf
[07:19] <Lathiat> mmw: Whats the problem?
[07:19] <jeroen_> agent, what is freepats
[07:19] <agent> mmw, nm :)
[07:19] <mmw> agent, yes :-)
[07:19] <Zambba> jeroen_: I know
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32395
[07:20] <dabaSlon> jackass: open a terminal, type in "sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:20] <dabaSlon> then enter.
[07:20] <dabaSlon> That will create the directory onto which you will mount the hard drive.
[07:20] <mmw> Lathiat, it only plays the drumline and gives many error messages like: No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 116 - this instrument will not be heard
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : midi howto for hoary: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30963
[07:20] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : you guys try that?
[07:21] <Hatred> hey
[07:21] <dabaSlon> jackass: once you are done that, you need to mount the hard drive, so, try this first: "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222"
[07:21] <Lathiat> mmw: try googleing/checking the home page of timidity for information
[07:21] <jackass> ok done
[07:21] <dabaSlon> both?
[07:21] <mmw> agent, I'm reading through it
[07:21] <mmw> Lathiat, ok
[07:22] <dabaSlon> Hatred: hey
[07:22] <jackass> yes it worked
[07:22] <dabaSlon> jackass: then, type in ls /media/windows
[07:22] <Hatred> dabaSlon :)
[07:22] <Hatred> I've gotten this error msg from about 4 applications now, was wondering if anyone knew of a solution?
[07:22] <agent> mmw jeroen_ : apart from this i am all out of ideas :) never had a need for midi in my years w/ linux :X
[07:22] <beerockxs> can someone help me get my parallel port scanner to work?
[07:22] <Hatred> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "liblighthouseblue.so",
[07:23] <jackass> done
[07:23] <dabaSlon> jackass: did that show you the files?
[07:23] <agent> anyone having problems logging into ebay today using firefox?
[07:23] <jackass> it worked realy fine...
[07:23] <jackass> yes
[07:23] <jeroen_> agent:thx
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Hatred: that means taht your GTK does not rally have that theme properly installed, the lighthouseblue theme,
[07:23] <jackass> thnx werry much
[07:23] <dabaSlon> Hatred: not sure what to do, though
[07:24] <Hatred> hmmm
[07:24] <PieD> Hi
[07:24] <dabaSlon> jackass: you are waelcome, that is just part of what you will prbably want to do
[07:24] <Hatred> ty dabaSlon
[07:24] <mmw> agent, I think it is a good way to have alerts have sounds (e.g. buddy alerts in gaim)
[07:24] <dabaSlon> welcome, I just know that that is one of the gtk themes.
[07:24] <PieD> I'm using breezy, and I've got a small problem with my latest apt-get update :
[07:24] <PieD> W: GPG error: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: I think the main archive's fine now, but fr.a.u.c may not have re-mirrored since the fix
[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: try archive.ubuntu.com temporarily
[07:25] <PieD> Only a Warning, but since core system components (passwd for instance) are updated, I prefer to be sure
[07:25] <dabaSlon> PieD: you want to update your keys...there is instructions on the Wiki, under hoary apt authentication
[07:25] <dabaSlon> jackass: the second part of what you probably want to do...is making the hard drive mounted on boot.
[07:25] <Kamion> dabaSlon: there was a problem with archive mirroring yesterday
[07:25] <PieD> keys must be updated ? why ?
[07:25] <Kamion> PieD: they should not
[07:25] <dabaSlon> kamion means truck in my language
[07:25] <agent> mmw, you could always try to convert the midi to something you can play (ogg for example)
[07:25] <Kamion> that's nice
[07:26] <sylvan> can ubuntu write to ntfs partitions? or just read?
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: read the wiki, I do not know really.
[07:26] <agent> mmw, does gaim use mid files?
[07:26] <jackass> que?
[07:26] <selinium> This may seem like a strange strange question for this room, but is anyone here a scuba diver?
[07:26] <PieD> dabaSlon: It looks like you're wrong...
[07:26] <thenuke> PieD: Have you done this? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:26] <selinium> Channel even
[07:26] <dabaSlon> sylvan: read at this time, there is some program for it...
[07:26] <PieD> I'm speaking about the main repositories
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: why do you say that?
[07:26] <agent> selinium, yes, that is a strange question :)
[07:26] <dabaSlon> PieD: it is the same gpg error...
[07:26] <PieD> I'm using a hoary, updated in breezy
[07:26] <thenuke> PieD: you cannot have that error if you have only the "main" repos
[07:27] <dabaSlon> PieD: did you read the wiki yet?
[07:27] <PieD> I don't have this error any longer yet
[07:27] <PieD> I switched to archive.ubuntu.com instead of fr.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:27] <PieD> mirror problems
[07:27] <mmw> agent, I dunno, since my entire machine refuses to play them :-)
[07:27] <selinium> It is that I am looking to connect my dive computer to the linux box and didn't kow if anyone here had already had any success!
[07:27] <zoddan> my WLAN nic is not starting when i boot i have added it to interfaces but that dident help
[07:27] <dabaSlon> jackass: well, you dont want to have to do that every time you start your computer...or perhaps you do...do you? or do you want it to be mounted when you boot?
[07:28] <Kamion> thenuke: that GPG error showed up for a lot of people yesterday due to a bug in the archive system triggered by an upgrade to hoary (bash's syntax got a bit stricter in one place)
[07:28] <selinium> Alright then, has anyone connected there palm to ubuntu?
[07:29] <jackass> yes of course
[07:29] <dabaSlon> jackass: to the second one, right?
[07:29] <jackass> i didn't get that =7
[07:29] <jackass> =/
[07:29] <jackass> yes
[07:29] <jackass> lol
[07:30] <agent> mmw, its easy to check... if you have a package installed goto synaptic and search for it... then goto properties and select "installed files" that will tell you all the files it installs... (only works on installed packages)... see if it installed mid files... my guess no.. probably wav or something similar
[07:30] <dabaSlon> jackass: ok, there is a file at /etc/fstab
[07:30] <dabaSlon> first back it up, I guess, so, type in sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[07:30] <dabaSlon> jackass: then, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:31] <dabaSlon> jackass: add this line to the end of the file, exactly copy and pste it. "/dev/hdb1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0"
[07:31] <mmw> agent, ok thanks a lot. I'll give it up for now with midi.
[07:31] <dabaSlon> jackass: then save the file, and next time you boot, it will be there, under /media/windows.
[07:32] <dabaSlon> jackass: the files will be read only ion that hard drive. Also, all the instructions I had given you are from http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs , but a warning, that most of the Ubuntu developers/knowledgables, do not like all the methods that are shown on that page.
[07:33] <dabaSlon> this one is fine, I think.
[07:33] <klimit> Lathiat : Thanks it worked. Now what i have to do if I wanna install the 686smp kernel? The same thing?
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: then you install the appropriate headers package
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: and then eh
[07:33] <Lathiat> klimit: yeh
[07:34] <jackass> ok thnx again, and alot
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jackass: the first hard drive is hda, second hdb, third hdc and so on, normally, but sometimes they skip the letters for some reason, dunno...
[07:34] <dabaSlon> jackass: you are welcome.
[07:34] <klimit> Lathiat : ok 10x again
[07:34] <dabaSlon> is there anything else I can do for you right now?;)
[07:34] <dabaSlon> I work tech support in chat:)
[07:34] <jackass> so hda is master/ hdb slave?
[07:34] <dabaSlon> I guess...
[07:34] <Echylo> anyone knows a program to make cd-covers with it?
[07:34] <Lathiat> Echylo: glabels perhaps
[07:35] <Echylo> thanks
[07:36] <dabaSlon> Echylo: d you use gnome? Cause Synaptic has a search function, and you can search by name and description.
[07:36] <Echylo> yes, but I like to know experiences :)
[07:36] <dabaSlon> right, so you would see which program is good, that is a good tactic:)
[07:37] <|iXiiOn|> i need some help please
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> i installed ubuntu and at the end of the basic installation the installer tell me it needs additional language packages
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> ant that it is going to fiwnload these
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> download
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> BUT
[07:38] <|iXiiOn|> the pc dont have internet
[07:39] <jeroen_> awww
[07:39] <jeroen_> can you get the language-packs from somewhere else?
[07:39] <|iXiiOn|> how can i add this packages ?
[07:39] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: so they do not get downloaded?
[07:39] <|iXiiOn|> i dont know which packages are needed
[07:39] <Kamion> it's asking about language-support-{yourlanguagecode}
[07:39] <Kamion> so say your primary language is French, that's language-support-fr
[07:40] <erik> join
[07:40] <danko123456> sometimes the Ubuntu install says it is going to the internet to get packages, but really does not do that, but looks in sources.list, and since the cd is added there, really gets those from the CD.
[07:40] <|iXiiOn|> aha
[07:40] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: I suppose that is not the case here?
[07:40] <bashBoy> hi people, is ubuntu any good ?
[07:40] <Kamion> nowadays, it should only ask about language-support-* if those packages aren't on the CD
[07:40] <danko123456> yup
[07:40] <Kamion> it checks
[07:41] <kyncani> bashBoy: you asking in #ubuntu !!!
[07:41] <|iXiiOn|> danko123456 this pc dont have internet acc
[07:41] <Kamion> although actually, there was a bug in the hoary DVD that meant it asked too often
[07:41] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: well, as I said, my installs always pretend to go to the internet, but really get the stuff from the cd,...
[07:41] <klimit> bashBoy : what do you want to know about it?
[07:41] <|iXiiOn|> hm maybe
[07:41] <danko123456> is it an error messaeg, or does it ask you if you want to install the packages from the internet, and if so, sy yes, and see if it does it.
[07:42] <|iXiiOn|> how can i chekc if or if not ?
[07:42] <Kamion> (see bug #8766)
[07:42] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: say yes and don't worry about it? :-) If it can't download them, then it can't download them ...
[07:42] <jeroen_> bashBoy, yes it is
[07:42] <|iXiiOn|> it tells me that i need addition language packages and that it is going to download these now ( it is queestioning me )
[07:42] <danko123456> then, say yes
[07:42] <Kamion> the question's there so that if you're installing a thousand machines with CDs that don't have the right language-support-* on them, it won't kill your net connection as they all simultaneously go off to mirrors
[07:43] <|iXiiOn|> there is no error message
[07:43] <danko123456> bashBoy: in fact, it is super
[07:43] <danko123456> all right, does it continue?
[07:44] <erik> has anyone used Ubuntu in a school environment?
[07:44] <neighborlee> anyone else here by chance have a HP Officejet 5500 and is able to print in gimp..? ( i'm unable to and would appreciate any info )
[07:44] <danko123456> erik: there is a school somewhere that has a ubuntu lab...
[07:44] <|iXiiOn|> so how can i see if he took the packages from cd ? maybe
[07:44] <Raptoid> what is hdd partition kde desktop link ?
[07:44] <Raptoid> for ubuntu
[07:44] <goofrider> qtparted???
[07:44] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: it'll be obvious if not, because it will spend time downloading and show a progress meter
[07:44] <danko123456> |iXiiOn|: not sure, if it went on with what it is doing, it likely did
[07:45] <Raptoid> sor lan paco
[07:45] <Raptoid> euheuhe
[07:45] <Kamion> |iXiiOn|: right at the very end of the installation
[07:45] <Raptoid> kamyon
[07:45] <|iXiiOn|> Kamion yes
[07:45] <bashBoy> yes, i just want something easy for my friend to use
[07:45] <Raptoid> kardes nasil baglicaz bunu dektopa
[07:45] <bashBoy> and i want mp3 dvd to work as well
[07:45] <_paco_> how to mount win partitions with ubuntu
[07:45] <bashBoy> not like red hat . .
[07:45] <danko123456> bashBoy: it is good for that some installation will be needed
[07:45] <erik> danko123456: i'm interested in info regarding the maintenance of a large ubuntu rollout
[07:45] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:45] <allyn> ubuntu has the mp3 codec installd by default i think
[07:46] <danko123456> bashBoy: read the wiki at wiki.ubuntulinux.org about restricted frmats is all you need
[07:46] <danko123456> restricted formats
[07:46] <|iXiiOn|> okay i will see
[07:46] <danko123456> erik: google it is the best I can do.
[07:48] <bashBoy> danko123456: thanks, ill take a look
[07:48] <danko123456> bashBoy: you are welcome, why am I danko123456...
[07:48] <goofrider> why not burn him some live CDs and have your friend decide for himself?
[07:48] <osity> where should the boot loader go in a raid 1 setup?
[07:48] <dabaSlon> cause it is #ubuntu:-p