[02:47] <DanaG> argh, how do you report bugs in packages on ubuntu-mozilla-daily?
[02:47] <DanaG> Apport refuses to make reports.
[02:48] <micahg> DanaG: sorry, I haven't fixed the hook yet
[02:48] <micahg> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs/+filebug
[02:49]  * micahg will add to /topic
[02:50] <DanaG> I switched to direct mozilla builds of 3.1, because last time I checked, the last 3.1 build was last year.
[02:50] <micahg> Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: |  Mailing List: http://is.gd/83fnr | Firefox 3.6.8 in Hardy-Maverick | Thunderbird 3.1 Coming Soon to Maverick/PPA | Firefox 4.0 Beta PPA coming Mid August | Report Mozilla PPA bugs here: http://is.gd/dPMLv | Help test Mozilla prerelease updates http://is.gd/dsudW | Next Meeting: TBD
[02:50] <micahg> DanaG: it'll be updated this weekend
[02:50] <DanaG> Thanks.
[02:50] <DanaG> Will that include lightning and gdata-provider?
[02:50] <micahg> DanaG: I fixed it, I just haven't committed the fixes
[02:50] <micahg> DanaG: no, that's another project :0
[02:51] <micahg> DanaG: I'll get to lightning hopefully before beta 1
[02:51]  * DanaG curses Mozilla for not releasing 64-bit builds.
[02:51] <micahg> DanaG: there should be a contrib build for it
[02:51] <DanaG> Mozilla certainly doesn't help the case of needing 64-bit Flash, when they don't build 64-bit themselves.
[02:51] <micahg> DanaG: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/1.0b2/contrib/linux-x86_64/
[02:51] <DanaG> Or rather, for Windows, I mean.  Same for Silverlight.
[02:52] <DanaG> For now, I'm using 32-bit Mozilla builds in /opt/thunderbird.
[02:52] <micahg> DanaG: they will start providing 64 bit builds soon
[02:53] <DanaG> Sweet.
[02:53] <micahg> DanaG: I hope once we get the firefox-all-in-one and thunderbird trunk builds going, we'll be able to stay ahead of the curve in providing builds when released even betas :)
[03:04] <DanaG> Great, I did "bt full" on Firefox crash, and it's up to 16 thousand lines.
[03:04] <DanaG> 20 thousand now.
[03:04] <micahg> DanaG: that's insane
[03:04] <DanaG> Must be a corrupt stack, or something.
[03:05] <DanaG> It's looping through the same function zillions of times.
[03:05] <micahg> DanaG: maybe try in a clean profile?
[03:05] <micahg> oh, maybe that's the bug then
[03:06] <DanaG> Say, will bt full have my passwords?
[03:06] <DanaG> Eh, too late now:
[03:06] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/HCJMheT3
[03:06] <DanaG> SIGKILL'd it at 20 lines.
[03:06] <micahg> DanaG: idk, you can mark private in the bug I was going to say
[03:07] <micahg> DanaG: it can
[03:07] <DanaG> er, maybe that was too early.
[03:07] <DanaG> Anyway, I'm not seeing my password there.
[03:08] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/G37hUJYD
[03:08] <DanaG> that's 612 lines in program... far more in the pastebin.
[03:10] <DanaG> And it only started doing that after I sigkilled Firefox when it hung when trying to auto-password.
[03:10] <DanaG> In fact, any text area seems to trigger it.
[03:10] <DanaG> No, wait...
[03:11] <DanaG> Maybe only passworded ones do.
[03:14] <micahg> DanaG: looks like bug 568460 regressed
[03:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 568460 in magentoerpconnect "first and last name twice in OpenERP's partner (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568460
[03:14] <micahg> oops mozilla 568460
[03:14] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 568460 in HTML: Parser "[HTML5] Crash [@ SelectorMatches ]" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568460
[03:14] <micahg> but it's a different cause
[03:19] <DanaG> Argh, stupid non-clickable Flash.
[03:20] <micahg> DanaG: I'll try to patch nspluginwrapper soon
[03:20]  * micahg has too many things that need to be done :)
[03:20]  * micahg will be back soon
[10:14] <mahfouz> are you guys also having crashes with the chromium daily build?
[10:19] <mahfouz> e,g, when I change the wireless connection
[11:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: how is the symbol sync going?
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - my account is created, but i can't sign in yet, so I'm trying to get that sorted
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> in the meantime, I'm currently working on a bot to automate uploading the symbols
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> oh, gwibber is not using desktopcouch anymore?
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> probably a good thing, seeing as it always just crashes anyway ;)
[11:29]  * asac goes upgrade gwibber
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> i haven't upgraded yet, i just had a quick scan down maverick-changes
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> but i might upgrade in a minute
[11:32] <asac> hmm no upgrade for me ;)
[11:32] <asac> guess its not done building/publishing
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> asac - heh, and for once, it's not my fault that it's taking ages to build ;)
[11:51] <asac> lol
[12:01] <fta> who should i ping for an answer?? (/wrt bug 610570)
[12:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610570 in python-pysnmp4 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "python deprecation warnings for md5 and sha (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610570
[12:02] <fta> ..as CCing the sru team didn't do any good
[12:20] <asac> chrisccoulson: did you ever get the baidu engine thing deployed?
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, it's done
[12:21] <asac> cool
[12:21] <asac> together with new ubufox it actually might work
[12:21] <asac> (like what you SRUed)
[12:21] <asac> the homepage that is
[12:21] <asac> ok /me out to get cigarettes and some lunch
[13:24] <gnomefreak> !iso
[13:24] <ubot2> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[13:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[13:25] <gnomefreak> !mirror
[13:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Karmic, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[13:26] <gnomefreak> !mirrorstaqtus
[13:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'mirrorstaqtus' not found
[13:26] <gnomefreak> !mirrorstatus
[13:26] <ubot2> A list of official repository mirrors and their statuses can be found at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:26] <gnomefreak> dont mind me im thinking
[13:36] <gnomefreak> !isodownload
[13:36] <ubot2> Factoid 'isodownload' not found
[13:36] <gnomefreak> good
[14:21] <micahg> fta: you have to upload to -proposed re bug 610570
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610570 in python-pysnmp4 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "python deprecation warnings for md5 and sha (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610570
[14:21] <micahg> fta: they review in queue now
[14:23]  * eagles0513875 waves to micahg
[14:24] <gnomefreak> hi micahg
[14:27] <micahg> hi eagles0513875 gnomefreak
[14:28] <gnomefreak> be back in a few, i need to release some frustration real fast
[14:38]  * gnomefreak doesnt want to go to bank
[15:30]  * chrisccoulson is starting to find python bareable
[15:36] <fta> me too, but also find it slow
[15:36] <fta> i still have a hard time with line splitting
[15:36] <micahg> fta: did you see my message above?
[15:37] <fta> micahg, yep, thanks
[21:47] <fta> 3 builders per arch, that's a joke, right?
[21:48] <micahg> fta: they probably got hijacked for an internal purpose for  a little bit, don't worry about i386 as bigjools scored down the python rebuild
[21:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I just realized that we might end up with out of date firefox builds on teh alpha 3 CD if the gcc issue isn't fixed by Tuesday
[21:50] <fta> there's 2d+ queue
[21:50] <micahg> fta: yeah, most of that is the python revuild
[21:50] <micahg> *rebuild
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i wouldn't worry about it too much, they will be up to date on i386 and amd64. we can't do much until the arm guys figure out what's wrong ;)
[21:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it seems like they did figure it out, I just hope they can get a fix in by Tuesday :)
[21:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, do you know of an easy fix for this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52692638/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gnome-chemistry-utils_0.12.1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:53] <micahg> seems like the .la files were dropped in the latest gtk+2.0 upload
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i've seen similar errors. i'll have a look at it if i get a chance, but i really want to get the bot to push our crash symbols to mozilla working first
[21:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's fine, I can dig into this, just wondering if you knew offhand a fix
[21:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: in fact, assuming it builds on no arches properly, I'll just leave it until I get some other stuff updated (TB 3.1, weave), the old release works ok
[21:57] <micahg> the only reason I uploaded it is that I tested before with GTK 2.21.2 which worked, 2.21.5 broke
[21:58] <chrisccoulson> cool. how is TB3.1 coming along?
[21:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it builds fine now, I just need to commit the appropriate patches and push to daily
[21:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I plan on uploading to maverick after alpha 3 is released
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> sounds good :)
[22:00] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do we want to keep building 3.0 dailies after 3.1 is in maverick?
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> we probably want to keep them if we are still supporting 3.0 on lucid
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> but if we plan on migrating lucid to 3.1 soon, then there's not much point in supporting 3.0 on the dailies
[22:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: also, I wanted to ask you about renaming the various daily builds to firefox, firefox-next, firefox-trunk, and the same with thunderbird, thunderbird, thunderbird-next, thunderbird-trunk, and maybe a -old if necessary
[22:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, looks like they want to push the major update after 3.1.2 is released, so early september
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> as opposed to having the version numbers in the package names?
[22:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, then we don't have to migrate the branches every version bump
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that makes sense. i was thinking about the same thing the other day, although i arrived at a slightly different solution
[22:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we just merge teh changes to the next branch down when it's ready
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> (to auto-generate the versioned packaging files at build time from debian/rules, but your way might make more sense)
[22:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: then we can build the beta PPA from the -next branch and record what's released for it
[22:04] <micahg> .head will be released to archive
[22:04] <micahg> and -trunk would never get released except to daily PPA
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it seems like a good idea
[22:04] <micahg> right now -next and -trunk are the same, they'll branch around 4.0 beta 5
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> so, -trunk will always be based on mozilla-central?
[22:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but that's next weekend :)
[22:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> and -next will be based on mozilla-2.0?
[22:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, whatever is appropriate at the time
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> that seems like a sensible idea
[22:05] <micahg> ATM, that's m-central as well
[22:06] <micahg> BTW, it hit me a couple days ago, the yasm issue might have to do with the performance increase that was noticed on Fedora a few months ago
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> it would be nice to arrive at a point where the packaging is fairly common across all of our supported branches
[22:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, we can't try to clean that up next cycle :)
[22:08]  * micahg just wants to make sure we get to everything on the list for this cycle, this cycle :)
[22:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if there's any time left, I'll start the port to xul20 in teh transition PPA
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we'll be starting that when things settle down in maverick anyway :)
[22:09] <micahg> I'd like to FF4/xul20 uploaded to N right after it opends
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> i was thinking about starting a wiki page with porting guidelines
[22:09] <micahg> so we have the whole cycle to fix issues
[22:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: +1 :), I could use a few pointers :)
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm finding issues with an extension i wrote at the sprint last week ;)
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> trying to get it to work in FF4.0 is a pain
[22:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, the way extensions worked was changed in 4.0
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the component registration has changed, which i've got working
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> but other interfaces have gone away too
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> like nsIExtensionManager, which bindwood relies on
[22:11] <micahg> I still don't understand how extensions work per se, I guess I"ll get into that eventually
[22:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's why they jumped to xul20
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> we're going to have a lot of fun ;)
[22:12] <micahg> to say NOTICE: everything will break :)
[22:12] <chrisccoulson> lol
[23:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sparc is so broken, gnome-chemistry-utils built on it :)
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg - heh, nice ;)


[17:35] <shinobi_> Can someone tell me if this is still needed for 20.04 - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1164206/lm-sensors-and-amd-ryzen-x570-chipset


[20:43] <pnode> hey brobostigon
[20:43] <brobostigon> hi pnode
[20:44] <pnode> we spoke in the past I believe
[20:44] <brobostigon> i dont recognise the nick, sorry.
[20:44] <pnode> no one uses this channel anymore
[20:44] <brobostigon> pnode: it is considering implolite, to pm someone without asking.
[20:44] <brobostigon> considered*
[20:45] <pnode> well you asked, I don't want everyone knowing my identity
[20:45] <brobostigon> i didnt ask.
[20:45] <brobostigon> i just said, i didnt recognise the nick.
[20:46] <pnode> so did the community break up
[20:46] <brobostigon> pnode: yes, now those names i recognise.
[20:46] <brobostigon> pnode: no, still working.
[20:49] <pnode> does Markie ever appear here anymore ?
[20:51] <brobostigon> all of the normal condidates pop in, but life for all of us has moved on abit, and became more complex, so most of us, cant put as much work in.
[20:51] <brobostigon> gf's. wifes, marridge etc.


[00:00] <excognac> pxc: sorry, I wasn't clear. So, I have other things on sda1-sda3, they are fine I think. I used gparted to delete various distros and my mess (also resized sda3). Then I chose manual installation for 11.10 kubuntu as follows: Sda4 contains sda5 (swap) sda6 is root (/ ) and sda7 is /home. Sda6 was appointed as boot volume, and when I rebooted the system grub rescue came up.
[00:03] <excognac> any ideas on what did i wrong?
[00:04] <DasKreech> sharpspear: hmm?
[00:04] <pxc> excognac, if Kubuntu was the last distro installed, Grub should still be working unless something went wrong with Kubuntu. The drive numbers should still be the same as they were, and the UUIDs should definitely still be the same. I'm not sure what the problem is
[00:07] <Scunizi> ronnoc: could be.. I just upgrade kde to 4.8 and the only script that I know is on is the HUD.  You know when it shows an onscreen display of what playing at the beginning.  I'll turn stuff off and see.
[00:09] <excognac> pxc: thanks anyway. Yes, there was also a kubuntu installed, but first everything was deleted to create unallocated space.... I ran rescue mode and tried to reinstall grub on sda6 and it said fatal error. Shall I just reinstallit now?
[00:10] <Scunizi> ronnoc: do I have to restart amorak to make the scrips stop?
[00:12] <pxc> excognac, I would just try reinstallation, yeah. If the installation before had a fatal error anyway, it's probably not worth trying to rescue halfway through. I at least am not familiar enough with the stages of the (K)Ubuntu install to figure out how to manually complete it
[00:14] <Scunizi> ronnoc: fixed.. I had to close it totally and found some process was still running in the background.  After I killed that all was good.  It even displayed the "Context" information correctly where it was goofy before.
[00:15] <excognac> pxc: thanks. [sigh] I love kubuntu but lately it appeared to be a bit buggy, not meaning hereby the installation: I had trouble with simply using libreoffice... Nevermind, bye now and thanks again
[00:18] <sharpspear> how do i activate a theme after installing it? i downloaded this theme: http://grvrulz.deviantart.com/art/Hope-gtk3-206207315?offset=20#comments
[00:31] <umut_> merhaba arkadaşlar
[00:49] <rino_> hi
[00:49] <rino_> to all
[00:54] <rtdos> where would i find the gdm.schema file?
[02:41] <rtdos> i have nepomuk disabled, how can i prevent the pop up from coming up saying its disabled?
[04:32] <ronnoc> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FVQBs4vlbo&feature=related   <--- thought thismight give you a laugh
[06:42] <liudas> good morning everyone. does enyone tried LibreOffice 3.5. i have issues with the look of the interface.
[06:43] <liudas> i dont know how to make LO 3.5 look at least as nice as 3.4
[08:00] <bigbrovar> anyone obverrved that the new kde secret service which is suppose to replace kwallet is missing in the kde 4.8 backport for kubuntu 11.10
[08:05] <semyil> leute was geht
[08:05] <semyil> how are ya
[08:05] <semyil> hello
[08:05] <semyil> fuck
[08:06] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: it's supposed to replace kwallet in 4.9, right?
[08:07] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: don't know but it was touted as one of the major release changes in 4.8
[08:07] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: ah, yes, it's optional, not replacement (yet)
[08:07] <bigbrovar> and some people reported to have it working with kubuntu 12.04 development release
[08:07] <bigbrovar> oh ok then
[08:07] <Guest42289> minecraft wont run on a fresh kubuntu install
[08:07] <bigbrovar> in any case it is not even included in the backport release
[08:08] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: honestly I haven't followed this development closely so I might not know enough though
[08:09] <jonandress> how do you run nautilus as root?
[08:09] <bigbrovar> aight
[08:09] <Tm_T> jonandress: you don't
[08:09] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: what version of kde are u running?
[08:09] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: 4.8 and current development
[08:10] <jonandress> ok Tm_t how do I make working with the contents of /var/www less painful re permissions?
[08:10] <Tm_T> jonandress: you are using Kubuntu, right?
[08:11] <jonandress> correct
[08:11] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: am facing this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293472
[08:12] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: does relogin/reboot make any difference?
[08:12] <bigbrovar> Tm_T: it does though I wish I didnt have to reboot
[08:13] <Tm_T> jonandress: alt+f2 to get krunner open, and then "kdesudo dolphin /var/www/" perhaps?
[08:13] <Tm_T> bigbrovar: right, I recall seeing the similar issue, but without even removing systray
[08:13] <Tm_T> its placement is wonky at times
[08:30] <Promethe69> bonjour à tous
[08:44] <burazrock> hi all!i have problems with amarok.can someone help me?
[08:45] <hateball> !anyone
[08:49] <burazrock> !amarok
[08:49] <burazrock> !codecs
[08:53] <Nelmmon> any current/former/future chakra users in here? not OT, i'm wondering how the 2 compare
[12:19] <Magik420> Hello
[12:38] <Starkgeist_> Русские есть?)
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:14] <lamofgodrocksYEA> Libreoffice Impress v 3.4.4 on Kubuntu 11.10 has a problem with slide sorter.  It doesn't work
[15:14] <lamofgodrocksYEA> has anyone else seen this?
[15:15] <lamofgodrocksYEA> If you try to move a slide it doesn't go where you want but goes to the first slide = no matter what you drag it to
[15:16] <lightstar> Yea, I had that happen to me too.
[15:17] <lightstar> Since it was just a simple slide I just moved ALL the slides to the top so it fell in order...bad hack but it worked for me
[15:29] <dmatt> when I edit multiple Libreoffice files from samba share, only first opened is updated on share by kioexec? is there some configuration file in Kubuntu for kioexec or is this more likely upstream bug?
[15:37] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, I think the but is in KDE
[15:37] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, Cuz it works on Ubutu 11.10 and Windows with Libreoffice 3.4.4
[15:39] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: The problem only occurs in KDE? BTW, I'm using KDE 4.8, haven't tried it on the stock Kubuntu version.
[15:40] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, Yes only on Kubutu
[15:41] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: hmm.... Now I'm curious as to the reason
[15:44] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, I've had the problem for a LONG time w LibreOffice on Kde and previously on Ubuntu 11.04
[15:47] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: So it isn't just the current version? It's been on since 11.04? I was using Xubuntu 10.10 until recently and I never saw this problem arise (as you mentioned for Ubuntu). I just figured this issue has something to do with 4.8 so I left it as it is
[15:49] <rtdos> i have nepomuk disabled so how can i keep the alerts from telling me something i already know? i went and disabled all related notifications, etc.
[15:51] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, I'm not exactly sure about the older versions of Ubuntu but I have had the issue for awhile
[15:51] <lamofgodrocksYEA> Doesn't work at all with Kubuntu 11.10
[15:52] <lamofgodrocksYEA> Should I file a bug?
[15:53] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: I think filing a bug should be a good idea. At least would help inform the developers that something like this is happening
[15:54] <rtdos> i am gettign glx errors when trying to load games, how can i fix this?
[15:59] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, great, I will do this later today when I get back from work
[16:00] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, Just wanted to see if anyone else saw it before filing a bug
[16:00] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, thanks!
[16:00] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: no prob. I thought I was the only one experiencing it too. Since I only found out about it yesterday I didn't give it much thought :)
[16:01] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, I am a professional public speaker and I can't have it NOT working or I'm skrewed
[16:01] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, I don't want to have to resort to booting into Winbloz
[16:02] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: LOL!!..Would be embarassing when it fails right when you need it. Hahaha
[16:03] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, yeah, especially if I'm trying to show everyone how cool Kubuntu and KDE are!
[16:03] <lamofgodrocksYEA> =P
[16:04] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: totally...everything works fine except for that one oopsie (a major one) then everyone just goes "meh, that doesn't happen with Apple"
[16:05] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, crapple
[16:05] <Jarli> Morning all
[16:06] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: both Windows and Apple have their places :) As long as we have a choice, its all good :D
[16:07] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, true.  both in the trash. lol
[16:08] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: hahaha. Well to be fair to MS, Win7 IS an improvement over WinXP (Vista never happened)
[16:11] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, true.  Fact (we both know) KDE is way bettter than Unity
[16:11] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, anyhow, thanks for your help
[16:11] <lamofgodrocksYEA> i gotta get back to work
[16:11] <lamofgodrocksYEA> Everyone have a great day!
[16:11] <lightstar> lamofgodrocksYEA: GAH!!! UnitY *bashes head*, ok ciaoz :)
[16:12] <lamofgodrocksYEA> lightstar, lol
[16:12] <lamofgodrocksYEA> later
[16:15] <lorecaster> Hail Realm. I'v got this problem... While installing "recordmydesktop" I installed "Mencoder" as per the ubuntuforums.org directions. Now online vids, like youtube, won't play. I'm running Gnome3 in 11.10, and I know this is a Kubuntu forum, but you guys have been so much more helpful than other sources. Ideas?
[16:16] <lorecaster> this is the tutorial I had used. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294605
[16:20] <lorecaster> (additional information) => adobe flash is installed properly, U-R-Extras is installed :S
[16:28] <lorecaster> another time... perhaps.
[16:46] <hylian> is there a way to bring all my plasma widgets to the main desktop, I have some running I want to close, but cannot.
[16:48] <omido> Is it true that Kubuntu is going to be discontiuned in favor of Ubuntu?
[16:49] <hylian> no
[16:49] <omido> I'm using Kubuntu 10.10
[16:49] <DarthFrog> omido:  Official paid support is being dropped for Kubuntu.  Otherwise it's business as usual.
[16:49] <hylian> Kubuntu is Ubuntu, with KDE already installed and operative. If anything, you may at some point have to install ubuntu, and the install kde seperately.
[16:50] <DarthFrog> Kubuntu will hae the same status as Xubuntu and Lubuntu: Officially annointed derivatives.
[16:50] <hylian> I think it currently does, am i mistaken?
[16:51] <hylian> is there a way to bring all my plasma widgets to the main desktop, I have some running I want to close, but cannot.
[16:51] <omido> Well . that is not good
[16:51] <rtdos> i am gettign glx errors when trying to load games, how can i fix this?
[16:52] <omido> Canonical is stupid if it thinks that the paying customers(enterprises) are going to like the Unity interface and use it for business
[16:52] <omido> I believe right  now the best DE for business is KDE
[16:52] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Do you have direct rendering enabled?  Open a terminal and type "glxinfo".
[16:53] <DarthFrog> Actually, type "glxinfo | less"  :-)
[16:53] <omido> The oldest commercial distro of the world has realised it and that's they are going to release SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 with KDE as the default DE.(from what i've heared)
[16:53] <lightstar> I agree with omido. KDE is the best in terms of user experience and apps. Unity is a blight that seems to torture everyone who uses it :(
[16:53] <hylian> omido, canonical is making a multi pronged attack, and I think the result is unity. i agree with you though, unity sucks for most applications.
[16:55] <lightstar> DarthFrog: Is glxinfo installed by default on Kubuntu? I thought it was in a separate package
[16:55] <DarthFrog> lightstar:  I think it's part of the mesa-utils package.  Don't know if it's installed by default.
[16:55] <omido> I dont know if its just me but i cannot deal with Unity and even Gnome shell.if there wasnt a KDE i'd go with XFCE or something. Canonical has to realize that the paying part of the market(enterprises) are so used to the traditional desktop environments
[16:56] <hylian> kde is so very fubar'd though. A hundred thousand options and confusingness. I can't get all my widgets to show, so i am running widgets I don't need and want to kill, but cant... thats just the beginning. it sure is pretty though.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> unity is creating opposite effect ..disunity I'm a fraid and kde/kubuntu is also suffering for it due to the developement it still requires , stealing the support from kubuntu to work on a project that is bound to fail
[16:56] <lightstar> DarthFrog: I just checked on my machine, its not there by default but I think he can install it. Just pointing it out :)
[16:56] <DarthFrog> omido: Has to?  The only thing that Canonical has to do is realise Mark Shuttleworth's vision.
[16:56] <rtdos> DarthFrog: http://paste.kde.org/426572/
[16:57] <lightstar> The thing bout Unity is it shoves a specific way of doing things down our throats without adding much
[16:57] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Well, there's your problem.  You're not running GLX. :-)
[16:57] <omido> DarthFrog:  After all Canonical is created to make money.Just like Redhat and SUSE are doing.
[16:57] <hylian> seriously, how do you remove hidden widgets, i cannot find anything on the net.. please help
[16:57] <rtdos> DarthFrog: how can i install GLX or get it going ?
[16:57] <lightstar> At least with KDE, the default options given to end users is relatively sane (which is made better by providing customizability)
[16:58] <rtdos> hylian: top right hand corner of your screen do you see an activities button?
[16:58] <DarthFrog> rtdos: What video card doyou have?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> kde will continue , that's a given , but kubuntu may not
[16:58] <rtdos> DarthFrog: have no clue :) it's an hp G62 laptop
[16:58] <DarthFrog> hylian: Right click on them and select "Remove".
[16:58] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Well, young padwan, you need to find out. :-)
[16:59] <lightstar> Kubuntu will continue in the same vein as Xubuntu I believe. Canonical can't stop Kubuntu
[16:59] <omido> If i'm not mistaken right now the largest contributer to KDE project(both official and commiunity aspect) is SUSE.and i dont think if they discontinue their work
[16:59] <DarthFrog> lightstar: Canonical doesn't want to stop Kubuntu.
[16:59] <hylian> DarthFrog, I cannot see them. They are hidden, therefore i cannot remove them.
[16:59] <hylian> rtdos, yes
[17:00] <lightstar> DarthFrog: They're just making supporting unity their highest priority :)
[17:00] <DarthFrog> Canonical isn't making any money from Kubuntu so they are re-directing their corporate resources towards a more successful product.
[17:00] <lightstar> rtdos: Have you installed the additional drivers for your card?
[17:00] <rtdos> hylian click on that button then click on activities you should see a list of activities
[17:00] <DarthFrog> hylian: Then how do you know they exist?
[17:00] <hylian> i am torn between xfce and kde as my two fave's, with gnome 3 not too far behind. hell, i would use openbox before i ever touched unity, that's just me though.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> lightstar,  I mean canonical isn't paying anyone to support kubuntu any longer , the single paid edveloper  has been withdrawn and assigned other ubuntu related tasks
[17:01] <lightstar> DarthFrog: for some values of successful. I know a few people who ditched ubuntu and switched to its derivatives after the Unity debacle
[17:01] <BluesKaj> developer
[17:01] <lightstar> BluesKaj: ahh..that clears it up.
[17:01] <hylian> DarthFrog, if you attempt to add a new widget, the system shows which ones are active with a green check mark.
[17:01] <rtdos> lightstar, darthfrog um, i don't think i have OpenGL installed: KInfocenter times out on OpenGL (says its not installed)
[17:01] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: But Riddell is still being paid by Canonical, I believe.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  yes , he's the guy who's been reassigned
[17:02] <hylian> rtdos, right, but it doesn't show me any widgets, just options like search and launch
[17:02] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj: I know. :-)
[17:02] <lightstar> rtdos: you could try running the additional drivers application to ensure the drivers are installed after which OpenGL should be working (at least that's what I did for my machine)
[17:02] <omido> I'm using Kubuntu 10.10 with KDE 3 (trinity desktop) and its very solid and cool
[17:03] <rtdos> lightstar: no additional drivers found.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> BBL...
[17:04] <lightstar> rtdos: what does the output of this command produce 'lspci|grep VGA '
[17:05] <rtdos> lightstar: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[17:05] <DarthFrog> rtdos: Without knowing what video card/chip you have, you're going to be chasing a wild goose.
[17:05] <rtdos> Darthfrog: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[17:05] <omido> Kubuntu with KDE3 is cool.i recommand it to KDE3 lovers
[17:05] <rtdos> so how do i know if or not that i have OpenGL installed?
[17:06] <rtdos> and how do i re/install OpenGL?
[17:06] <DarthFrog> OpenGL will be part of the video card's drivers.
[17:06] <hylian> rtdos, i think i screwed up. I assumed that widgets with a green check mark in add widgets dialog where running somewhere. i'm guessing that just means I have used it before
[17:07] <lightstar> rtdos: DarthFrog is right. Normally the drivers come together with the video card drivers
[17:08] <hylian> so if a widget is not visible, it absolutely is not running?
[17:09] <lightstar> rtdos: I'm not sure if this is of any use but maybe it might give you something to ponder about. Found it via google https://theiszm.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/glx-missing-on-display/
[17:09] <hylian> is there a way to see what widgets are running then?
[17:10] <DarthFrog> rtdos: That link that lightstar posted is a good one.
[17:11] <lightstar> rtdos: Hope it helps you :)
[17:19] <rtdos> DarthFrog & lightstar: looking at it now. thanks guys. (i'm sure i'll be back with more questions)
[17:19] <lightstar> rtdos: no prob. hope it helps you. glad to help :)
[17:27] <citr> Hello BluesKaj, it's designbybeck, Do you know how to turn off the startup sound for Kubuntu?
[17:28] <rtdos> lightstar & darthfrog think i may have found the problem: i think i have libgl-mesa-dri:i386 installed and not the x64 version. :-\
[17:28] <lightstar> rtdos: hmm..that's odd. but its a step in the right direction :D
[17:29] <rtdos> i'll keep looking and be back in a bit. :)
[17:34] <DarthFrog> citr: In System Settings, you'll have an option to turn off system sounds.
[17:35] <citr> i found it DarthFrog Thanks. I was looking at an older set of instructions
[17:35] <citr> This is where it is now: System Settings --> Application and System Notifications --> Manage Notifications --> KDE Workspace.
[18:14] <Shaun> on the off chance that anyone has heard of this issue, i'll ask here!
[18:15] <Shaun> Konversation pings out of all connected servers both v4 and v6 after some time away from PC...simply pressing a key or wiggling mouse is enough to make it suddenly state connection closed and reconnect
[18:16] <Shaun> dont even have to unlock...i tested by wiggling mouse, coming back a min later and unlocking screen, Konversation had closed connection and reconnected about a minute earlier
[18:33] <designbybeck> default media play or new VLC 2.0 in Kubuntu?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Shaun,  you have auto connect turned on , and lloks like it disconnects when your pc foes into sleep mode , then autoreconnects
[18:35] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  dunno for sure , I'm using the default vlc for 12.04 which is 2.0
[18:35] <designbybeck> OOhh You cutting edge man you!
[18:38] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  run vlc -version in the cli
[18:38] <designbybeck> i don't even have it installed on my new setup yet BluesKaj I was just wondering how it worked in kde
[18:45] <coder27> Hello. I've upgraded OS on one of my computers. Now I am not able to open its folders via sftp in Dolphin, because it claims about wrong fingerprint. I've already updated .ssh/known_hosts, but it doesnt help. Where the Dolphin caches  fingerprints?
[18:48] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  vlc works great on kde
[18:50] <designbybeck> good ot hear
[19:42] <BarkingFish> Evening guys, can someone give me a quick heads up on how to get a module to load on boot please?
[19:42] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  which module ?
[19:43] <BarkingFish> My USB wifi stick is running off of ndiswrapper, but I'm having to modprobe ndiswrapper after booting to get it to load
[19:44] <BarkingFish> basically when I start up, nm-applet shows no interface.  When I modprobe ndiswrapper, the if (wlan0) appears
[19:45] <BarkingFish> so BluesKaj - any ideas on how to get this to work please?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  have you tried adding ndiswrapper to /etc/modules
[19:46] <BarkingFish> I didn't know I had to, ndiswrapper has commands for module configuration, I thought when I executed those that it would do all it needed
[19:47] <BarkingFish> done
[19:47] <BarkingFish> back in a bit, gonna reboot :)
[19:48] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  there seems to be a bug in NM lately , this happened yesterday to someone else except NM wasn't connecting with his settings ...they weren't sticking
[19:48] <BluesKaj> it wasn't the wrapper
[20:09] <Shaun> [18:34:22] <BluesKaj> Shaun,  you have auto connect turned on , and lloks like it disconnects when your pc foes into sleep mode , then autoreconnects
[20:09] <Shaun> my computer is not going to sleep
[20:09] <Shaun> it is on the entire time
[20:10] <Shaun> i simply walk away from my machine, 19 mins later screensaver kicks in with a 1 min delay to ask for password, and DPMS off at 20 mins
[20:10] <Shaun> no other power savin
[20:10] <Shaun> g
[20:21] <BluesKaj> Shaun,  are you using DPMS then?, it's not clear to me .
[20:22] <Shaun> BluesKaj: DPMS off at 20 mins, yet
[20:22] <Shaun> I have always used DPMS
[20:23] <Shaun> internet connectivity is not lost, other web aware apps are fine, though I've not tested another KDE app
[20:26] <BarkingFish> hi again BluesKaj :)
[20:27] <BluesKaj> hi BarkingFish
[20:27] <BarkingFish> Right, I tried adding ndiswrapper into /etc/modules and for some reason only the Gods will explain at some point, it stopped my sound card from picking up
[20:27] <BarkingFish> I took it out from there, and added modprobe ndiswrapper into /etc/rc.local  - that didn't work either.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  there seems to be a bug in NM lately , this happened yesterday to someone else except NM wasn't connecting with his settings, altho he wasn't using the wrapper, .the settings weren't sticking
[20:29] <Shaun> BluesKaj: no idea, then? :(
[20:29] <BluesKaj> no , afraid not, Shaun
[20:29] <Shaun> if it matters, network is wired, pc is on 24/7
[20:30] <Shaun> no worries! :)
[20:31] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: NM is working fine here, it's not NM which is the problem. Ndiswrapper isn't getting loaded at boot which is causing the issue.
[20:32] <BluesKaj> anychance you can connect without ndiswrapper ..which wifi chip , BarkingFish?
[20:32] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: Atheros AR5523
[20:33] <BarkingFish> ath5k doesn't support it though
[20:38] <BarkingFish> I have to use this stick over ndiswrapper, if you pull the record of the windows driver up off the net, BluesKaj, it's net5523.inf for Windows XP
[20:38] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  have you looked into the  MadWifi project?
[20:39] <BarkingFish> yep
[20:39] <BarkingFish> their driver doesn't work the stick either.
[20:39] <BluesKaj> usb stick wifi is a real pita in linux
[20:39] <BarkingFish> yeah
[20:39] <BarkingFish> tell me about it :_
[20:41] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  i guess you could write a script and have it load into system settings >startup & shutdown ...some thing like, modprobe ndiswrapper
[20:42] <BarkingFish> Me and scripts do not go well together :)
[20:42] <BarkingFish> I couldn't write a script if you gave me a copy of one to type out :D
[20:56] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  add this , sudo ndiswrapper -m , to,  /etc/rc.d/rd.local , with root permissions  ..i found it here , http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=257260
[20:59] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  I see that file no longer exists , so add the command to /etc/modules\
[21:00] <BluesKaj> without the \
[21:02] <BluesKaj> oops wrong again , BarkingFish ...I'm not reading far enought down the page , just run , sudo ndiswrapper -m , in th eterminal
[21:03] <BarkingFish> ok, hold on
[21:03] <BarkingFish> yes, that did it
[21:03] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish,  I hope that sticks
[21:04] <BarkingFish> so do I
[21:04] <BluesKaj> gonna reboot ?
[21:04] <BarkingFish> I got this back: adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modutils/ndiswrapper ...
[21:04] <BarkingFish> so that should have done it
[21:05] <BluesKaj> I hope so ...these wifi bugs are so damm irksome
[22:03] <kristoff> hi everyone!
[22:04] <kristoff> i've got a problem with this RSS link : http://servicios.lanacion.com.ar/herramientas/rss/     in kubuntu, I just can't read it with akregator or the plamoids
[22:05] <kristoff> had someone already has an issue slike this
[22:18] <kristoff> no one ?
[22:18] <BluesKaj> kristoff,  hang on
[22:20] <kristoff> BluesKaj: are tou testing my link ?
[22:23] <BluesKaj> kristoff,  that url doesn't work here on agregator either
[22:23] <kristoff> BluesKaj: but it works with firefox :(
[22:24] <BluesKaj> not on chromium
[22:27] <BluesKaj> kristoff,  FF uses it's own embedded RSS client I believe
[22:28] <kristoff> ok! i'll find another source of news
[22:29] <BluesKaj> agregator works on all my sources
[22:31] <BluesKaj> anyway , gotta go
[22:44] <BarkingFish> OK, well I'm back with ndiswrapper working, but now my new soundcard is playing silly beggars with me.  I'm recording on audacity, speaking perfectly normally, and coming out on playback sounding like someone speaking through a party noisemaker.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> My new card is a Creative Labs X-Fi
[22:57] <rtdos> the shutdown option is missing from my kde menu. how can i get it back?
[23:01] <rtdos> the shutdown option is missing from my kde menu. how can i get it back?
[23:39] <rtdos> the shutdown option is missing from my kde menu. how can i get it back?