[02:22] <duflu> robert_ancell (or anyone): This new package 'googletest' just appear in archive and it makes all our builds break. Please remove it :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/googletest/+bug/1644062
[02:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1644062 in googletest (Ubuntu) "googletest 1.8.0-2 (on zesty) breaks existing builds [add_library cannot create target "gmock" ...]" [Critical,Confirmed]
[02:22] <duflu> *appeared*
[02:22] <robert_ancell> duflu, don't know what that is
[02:23] <duflu> Yeah it's new, as of last night. Overrides other packages
[02:24] <duflu> Crap. It's inherited from Debian. Created by a non-launchpad user.
[06:07] <hikiko> Hi
[06:36] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[06:36] <hikiko> hi duflu :)
[06:36] <hikiko> how are you?
[06:37] <duflu> hikiko: Good, you?
[06:38] <hikiko> good too
[07:30] <pitti> Good morning
[07:31] <robert_ancell> pitti, hey, do you know anything I can do to get snapd-glib into xenial faster?
[07:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: as soon as someone actually tests it
[07:32] <pitti> bug 1635270, right?
[07:32] <ubot5`> bug 1635270 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu Yakkety) "libsnapd-glib is not useful without snapd-login-service " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635270
[07:33] <robert_ancell> pitti, no, I'll fing the bug..
[07:35] <robert_ancell> pitti, I think it was bug 1620159
[07:35] <ubot5`> bug 1620159 in snapd-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] snapd-glib" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620159
[07:35] <robert_ancell> The issue was I couldn't open a bug against the xenial snapd-glib package because it doesn't yet exist..
[07:36] <pitti> robert_ancell: oh right, sorry, that was y
[07:36] <robert_ancell> actually, it was bug 1616943 according to the changelog
[07:36] <ubot5`> bug 1616943 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Xenial) "Can't auth against U1 in g-s" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616943
[07:36] <pitti> robert_ancell: sure you can; snapd-glib does exist, you can add a xenial task
[07:36] <robert_ancell> But yeah, both bugs are pretty closely related
[07:36] <pitti> (exists in Launchpad's "ubuntu" BRAIN)
[07:36] <pitti> ergh @ shift key
[07:37] <robert_ancell> It wouldn't let me at the time...
[07:37] <robert_ancell> pitti, tried now, xenial is not a checkbox on the "nominate series" page
[07:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: right, because that bug already has a xenial task
[07:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: I figure someone added xenial tasks and then deleted them from the snapd-glib package
[07:41] <robert_ancell> oh
[07:41] <pitti> robert_ancell: you can delete the x task from gnome-software as well, and then add them both back
[07:42] <robert_ancell> pitti, bingo, worked!
[07:42] <robert_ancell> Thanks!
[07:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, so yeah, I just need snapd-glib to exist in xenial, so I can upload the g-s that will make use of it.
[07:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: thanks for the lightdm review; just typing a reply
[07:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, np, sorry for the delay getting back to you
[07:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: ack, then that bug seems appropriate for the SRU as it explains the background
[07:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: replied; I'm not entirely convinced that we should bother with TERM and wait for the session, but we can discuss that in the MP; I'll restore the patch for the time being
[07:45] <pitti> robert_ancell: and then, just upload a snapd-glib backport to xenial-proposed
[07:45] <robert_ancell> pitti, 1.2-0ubuntu1.1~xenial should exist in xenial-proposed, but I can't see it on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd-glib
[07:46] <pitti> robert_ancell: it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[07:48] <robert_ancell> pitti, right, so who can let it out of the queue?
[07:53] <pitti> robert_ancell: any SRU team member; I'm currently restoring the lightdm patch, then I can do an SRU round
[07:53] <robert_ancell> pitti, awesome, thanks.
[07:55] <pitti> robert_ancell: in the meantime, you can upload the corresponding gnome-software SRU?
[07:55] <robert_ancell> pitti, sure
[08:12] <pitti> robert_ancell: lightdm uploaded and committed to bzr this time (as d/patch/ again)
[08:12] <robert_ancell> pitti, ack
[08:17] <pitti> snapd-glib accepted
[08:47] <robert_ancell> pitti, uploaded, bye!
[08:47] <pitti> robert_ancell: good night!
[08:59] <willcooke> o/
[09:00] <pitti> hey willcooke!
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:08] <willcooke> hey Laney pitti
[09:08] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <willcooke> hey davmor2
[09:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:11] <seb128> hey pitti willcooke Laney
[09:11] <Laney> hey willcooke, ahoy pitti, aloha davmor2, g'day seb128
[09:11] <davmor2> morning willcooke Laney and seb128
[09:11] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[09:11] <seb128> hey davmor2
[09:11] <Laney> I can see...
[09:11] <Laney> blue sky
[09:11] <Laney> and it's not raining!
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: turn off the video on that monitor
[09:12] <pitti> and look at the window instead :)
[09:12] <didrocks> hey desktop gang! :-)
[09:12] <willcooke> Laney, pics or it didnt happen
[09:12] <willcooke> wait
[09:12] <didrocks> roh #troll
[09:12] <willcooke> I can confirm
[09:12] <Laney> there we go, that is science
[09:12] <davmor2> seb128, Laney: have you guys noticed no network icon if you have no connection I'm going to have a play about to double check it either friday or when I go home
[09:13] <Laney> nope
[09:13] <Laney> what release?
[09:14] <davmor2> Laney: zesty of course
[09:15] <seb128> that was reported on launchpad so it's not only you
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> Good morning Laney davmor2 willcooke pitti seb128 hikiko
[09:15] <seb128> do you have the lightdm update that pitti did yesterday?
[09:15] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:15] <davmor2> morning flexiondotorg
[09:16] <davmor2> seb128: just upgraded now I'll have a look see
[09:16] <hikiko> good morning all
[09:16]  * hikiko highlights everyone's nickname
[09:16] <hikiko> how are you?
[09:16] <willcooke> :)
[09:17] <seb128> hey hikiko
[09:19] <willcooke> Trevinho, ping for when you're about
[09:19] <willcooke> errr
[09:19] <willcooke> contextless
[09:19] <willcooke> \o/
[09:19]  * willcooke moves to query
[09:19] <seb128> willcooke, you said too much, need to give us the meat now
[09:20] <willcooke> just wanting to fact check a couple of things
[09:20] <willcooke> for U7
[09:21] <didrocks> it sounds like politics!
[09:22] <Laney> strivers and skivers
[09:22]  * Laney could be a politician
[09:24] <davmor2> seb128: looks like it lightdm:amd64 (1.20.0-0ubuntu2, 1.20.0-0ubuntu3)
[09:24] <seb128> did you reboot since?
[09:25] <davmor2> seb128: not yet but then I also have a connection let me reboot and log into guest
[09:35] <hikiko> desktop irrelevant question: I'm trying to backup a whole partition with rsync because I want to delete it and install ubuntu afterwards but it takes ages, I am doing this since yesterday, do you know any faster tool?
[09:36] <davmor2> seb128: okay so now it shows but about a minute after everything else is displayed
[09:36] <hikiko> it's about 300GB
[09:38] <seb128> davmor2, that's the bug reported on launchpad
[09:38] <popey> hikiko: clonezilla
[09:38] <seb128> which also claims that polkit doesn't work for a minute after login
[09:38] <seb128> likely another systemd user session regression
[09:38] <seb128> unsure if that's the same as pitti was working on though
[09:38] <seb128> or a different issue
[09:39] <hikiko> thanks popey !
[09:39] <popey> np
[09:39] <pitti> happyaron: Replace-Ad-Hoc-WPA-None-support-with-IBSS-RSN-PSK.patch, Revert-wifi-disable-Ad-Hoc-WPA-connections-lp-905748.patch, and wifi-Signal-on-the-wifi-device-when-its-supplicant-i.patch still exist in NM's debian/patches/ but not in series any more; can these actually be dropped?
[09:41] <pitti> seb128, davmor2: haven't followed the entire conversation, but you can disable the systemd user session in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00upstart -- comment out/disable the "if" block that adds /usr/share/upstart/systemd-session to XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
[09:42] <pitti> doing that is useful -- many of these bugs come from the switch to dbus-user-session, but some are certainly also bugs in the systemd units
[09:42] <willcooke> pitti, happyaron is off sick atm - probably back next week
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, davmor2 is reporting that nm-applet is taking a minute to load after login on zesty (and we had a report mentioning that polkit has the same issue)
[09:42] <pitti> willcooke: ah, thanks
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: hm, I haven't see that one yet; most likely not related to the lightdm fix
[09:42] <seb128> k
[09:47] <davmor2> pitti: okay cool
[10:21] <desrt> does anyone know how to make valgrind treat individual "possibly lost" cases as reachable?
[10:22] <desrt> ie: i know some locations where some fishy pointer math is going on... i don't want to suppress them entirely... i just want valgrind to know that, indeed, they are reachable via mangled pointers (if valgrind finds any such pointers)
[10:22] <desrt> and otherwise, they are, indeed, lost
[10:23]  * seb128 doesn't know
[10:23] <desrt> annoying.
[10:38] <willcooke> oh, Autumn Statement is on and I missed the start
[10:41] <willcooke> no it's not.  The BBC is confusing me
[10:41] <seb128> is that the budget discussion La_ney was mentioning earlier?
[10:45] <desrt> MemCheck:Leak \n match-leak-kinds:possible
[10:45] <desrt> this gets pretty close to doing the right thing...
[10:50] <willcooke> seb128, yeah
[10:52] <Laney> willcooke: 12:30
[10:52] <Laney> do you feel like you're Just About Managing?
[10:52]  * Laney hides behind hands
[10:52] <willcooke> sounds about right
[10:53]  * Laney enjoys an organic kale and quinoa smoothie
[10:53]  * Laney the metropolitan liberal elite
[10:53]  * willcooke shakes his Guardian
[10:54] <Laney> I actually have one of those ...
[11:05] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[11:06] <ricotz> looks like python2.7 2.7.12-7 breaks bzr
[11:10] <seb128> hey ricotz, that might be a topic better placed on #ubuntu-devel for doko and/or barry
[11:12] <ricotz> seb128, hi, I see, right
[11:15] <davmor2> Laney: we are all jammin....jammin.....jammin....with the money we got
[11:44]  * Laney dist-upgrades from x to z without going through y
[11:45] <Laney> LIFE ON THE EDGE
[11:45] <jcastro> hey everyone, the Valve guys are updating their package to support PS4 controllers and are adding new udev rules, I've filed the changes here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/steam/+bug/1644196
[11:45] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1644196 in steam (Ubuntu) "Update udev rules to the latest upstream set" [Undecided,New]
[11:46] <jcastro> if someone has time to update these it would be lovely.
[11:50] <willcooke> Should probably mark that against udev as well as Steam
[11:50] <willcooke> at least I think so,
[11:50] <jcastro> ack
[11:52] <seb128> that's not in systemd nowadays?
[13:27] <tjaalton> what draws the background of unity greeter?
[13:30] <tjaalton> nautilus it seems
[13:30] <tjaalton> downgrading that makes lightdm slightly happier here
[13:30] <tjaalton> while it still thinks the canvas is much bigger than my screen
[13:35] <tjaalton> [+2,91s] DEBUG: main-window.vala:187: Screen is 1600x900 pixels
[13:35] <tjaalton> [+2,91s] DEBUG: main-window.vala:195: Monitor 0 is 3200x1800 pixels at 0,0
[13:35] <tjaalton> before it was 1600x900 for both, after scaling
[13:35] <tjaalton> in yakkety that is
[13:37] <Laney> Before what?
[13:37] <Laney> Nautilus isn't used there
[13:37] <seb128> tjaalton, hum, I don't think nautilus is being used in the greeter no, that wouldn't make much sense
[13:38] <tjaalton> upgrading to zesty
[13:38] <tjaalton> well downgrading nautilus at least helped
[13:38] <tjaalton> downgrading lightdm did not
[13:38] <seb128> how helped?
[13:39] <seb128> did you drowngrade gtk as well?
[13:39] <seb128> or gnome-desktop?
[13:39] <tjaalton> I only had a square "box" of the greeter visible on top left corner
[13:39] <tjaalton> no
[13:39] <seb128> could be a coincidence
[13:40] <tjaalton> now I have the whole screen but the greeter is still "huge"
[13:40] <tjaalton> because it thinks the screen is bigger
[13:40] <seb128> xorg/driver issue?
[13:40] <tjaalton> no
[13:40] <seb128> or gtk/gnome-desktop one?
[13:40] <tjaalton> nothing changed there
[13:40] <tjaalton> dunno
[13:41] <tjaalton> I'm open for suggestions
[13:41] <tjaalton> what to downgrade
[13:41] <seb128> I would try downgrading gtk
[13:41] <tjaalton> ok
[13:42] <tjaalton> uh
[13:42] <tjaalton> now it's removing half of the system, damn
[13:43] <seb128> :-(
[13:43] <seb128> you might need to have a yakkety source and /yakkety things that depends on the new gtk
[13:43] <tjaalton> I have yakkety added back to sources
[13:48] <tjaalton> yep, I have lightdm back as before
[13:48] <tjaalton> apt install libgtk-3-0=3.20.9-1ubuntu2 gir1.2-gtk-3.0=3.20.9-1ubuntu2 libclutter-gtk-1.0-0=1.8.0-1 gir1.2-totem-1.0=3.22.0-0ubuntu1 libtotem0=3.22.0-0ubuntu1 libgail-3-0=3.20.9-1ubuntu2 libgtkmm-3.0-1v5=3.20.1-1
[13:48] <tjaalton> it stil removed totem and something
[13:51] <tjaalton> should unity8 run as guest?
[13:55] <tjaalton> probably not, complains about some permissions
[14:09] <tjaalton> filed bug 1644240
[14:09] <ubot5`> bug 1644240 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "lightdm greeter not shown properly on zesty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644240
[15:10] <davmor2> seb128, Laney, willcooke: are there any automated test for installing snap packages through software center?
[15:11] <willcooke> davmor2, just talked to j_ibel about that briefly.  Don't think so, but if you want to start a thread with Robert Ancell please cc me in
[15:11] <davmor2> willcooke: awesome thanks
[15:15] <seb128> don't think so either
[15:16] <seb128> tjaalton, the gtk guess was right then ;-)
[15:19] <tjaalton> yeah
[15:20] <ricotz> tjaalton, gtk 3.22.x?
[15:21] <ricotz> 3.22.4-1ubuntu1 includes some hidpi scale-factor fixes
[15:21] <tjaalton> ricotz: I had 3.22.2-0ubuntu1
[15:22] <ricotz> tjaalton, I guess 3.22.4 will fix the issue you had
[15:22] <tjaalton> cool
[15:23] <tjaalton> any idea why unity-greeter doesn't list gnome available on the session list?
[15:23] <tjaalton> upgrade probably broke/removed something
[15:25] <ricotz> gnome-session is installed?
[15:26] <tjaalton> yep
[15:27] <ricotz> tjaalton, with "gnome" you mean gnome-shell?
[15:27] <tjaalton> yes
[15:28] <tjaalton> ah, it's not installed..
[15:28] <tjaalton> oh right, gtk downgrade removed it hehe
[15:29] <ricotz> better pick 3.22.4 from proposed
[15:29] <ricotz> gtk+
[15:29] <tjaalton> sure
[15:29] <tjaalton> I'll just try again tomorrow
[15:30] <Laney> would be good to know if it works for you
[15:30] <tjaalton> alright
[15:31] <Laney> FAIL: test_pep8_clean (test_pep8.TestPep8Clean)
[15:31]  * Laney stabs pep8 in testsuites
[16:17] <Trevinho> didrocks: there are various repeated parts in https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml, I was wondering...Couldn't those be replicated using the - after: instead?
[16:24] <didrocks> Trevinho: no, the parser doesn't have support otherwise for this
[16:24] <didrocks> Trevinho: the repetition will be removed once we say we don't support / anymore in parts name
[16:25] <didrocks> but it needs proper announcement and such
[16:25] <Trevinho> didrocks: sure...
[16:25] <didrocks> Trevinho: the whole repetition is due to this namespace change transition…
[16:25] <Trevinho> yeah, I know... I was just wondering if there was a way to avoid it, but it seems not
[16:30] <didrocks> Trevinho: maybe you are right with after: but I won't test it (the server-side parser is quite hard to grasp)
[16:30] <didrocks> so I will just duplicate and want for it to die in a couple of months
[16:30] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah... Unfortunately it's not that easy to test remote parts... It would be nice to have a way to mock it
[16:32] <didrocks> yep!
[16:34]  * Trevinho looks reviewers for https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/libappindicator/incons-paths-on-snap/+merge/311424
[16:53] <Laney> isle of man parliament T _ N _ A _ D
[16:57] <davmor2> Laney: 16.04.1 daily iso should it have snapd on by default?
[17:01] <Laney> davmor2: There's a compmonent mismatch (xdelta) so its not installable
[17:03] <davmor2> Laney: ah cool thanks for a minute I thought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od6hY_50Dh0
[17:03] <Laney> this better be the x-files theme
[17:03] <Laney> close enough
[17:05] <ximion> Laney: the only missing bit for asgen is the "update data from old suites" feature, right?
[17:05] <Laney> hey ximion
[17:05] <Laney> missing how?
[17:06] <Laney> ximion: oh you mean feature requests?
[17:06] <Laney> that and PPAs
[17:07] <ximion> jup
[17:07] <ximion> okay, PPAs weren's supported by dep11gen as well and are a lot more work
[17:07] <Laney> updating wasn't either
[17:07] <Laney> was it?
[17:07] <ximion> no
[17:07] <ximion> updating will need changes in AppStream itself too
[17:08] <ximion> I haven't finalized a plan for it, but I have an idea
[17:08] <ximion> I need to chat with the APT guys first to see if they have a better one
[17:08] <Laney> you mean because of the origin?
[17:09] <ximion> yes, although the origin field isn't much of a problem, the duplicate IDs however are an issue
[17:09] <Laney> hmm
[17:09] <Laney> I thought dataPriority would sort that out
[17:09] <Laney> or Priority or whatever it's called in the spec
[17:09] <ximion> I am drowning in work at time, so I am currently sifting through tasks and priorizing them
[17:09] <Laney> anyways
[17:10] <Laney> if you write down your idea on the bug then I would be happy to help implementing
[17:10] <Laney> drowning in real work is probably good ;-)
[17:10] <ximion> DataPriority is super inefficient, since we read & parse & download everything and then throw everything away. We also can not delete any component that way
[17:10] <Laney> after ximion's world tour of 2016
[17:10] <ximion> yeah...
[17:11] <ximion> zlatan being away and me having his managing work too doesn't exactly help ^^
[17:11] <Laney> heh
[17:11] <Laney> I see, you might want something in the header to completely disable another file
[17:11] <ximion> also, lab is crazy busy, I am never home before 6 p.m.
[17:12] <ximion> Laney: that, *or* have the APT glue code ignore a file based on its filename, *or* have APT do that for me
[17:12] <ximion> the latter would prevent us from downloading needless data, which would be pretty nice
[17:13] <Laney> you probably want an *and* there
[17:14] <Laney> I think that the Endless dudes are doing something about shipping appstream post release too
[17:14] <Laney> sort of following what they were saying in #gnome-software aanyway
[17:14] <ximion> so we have logic like "if "origin-sru" file is present, do not process "origin" file"
[17:14] <ximion> Laney: but endless has a very different system of shipping software...
[17:14] <Laney> ostree-core thing
[17:15] <Laney> but the problem seems similar
[17:15] <ximion> normally, the data shipped at the time of build should be final
[17:16] <ximion> the only time you want to update it is if there were asgen changes and you need them in the stable suite
[17:16] <Laney> might want to override the description, icon, ship more translations
[17:16] <ximion> which should be a less and less important case, nevertheless we have this problem now
[17:16] <Laney> probaby the last one is the one they care about
[17:17] <Laney> worth chatting imho
[17:17] <ximion> since upstream is doing the l10n stuff in AppStream, this isn't really in its design - since you can't update the l10n data without also updating the app itself
[17:18] <ximion> it's pretty much a clash of the "upstream" vs the "distro" deploy model
[17:18] <ximion> hmm, I think at Debian l10n data is frozen together with everything else on release
[17:19] <ximion> so the whole archive - including l10n - becomes immutable
[17:20] <ximion> but I never really looked at that very closely (but since l10n works the same way AppStream does in Debian, they will have the same problems)
[17:22] <Laney> ximion: I think for distros (at least for us) it's an asgen bugs (or -dep11 -> asgen) use case
[17:22] <Laney> or if we're being ambitious maybe enabling other types
[17:23] <Laney> I'm saying that this other case might be useful to think about as apart of the same problem
[17:23] <Laney> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/src/plugins/gs-plugin-external-appstream.c <- that thing I think
[17:23] <Laney> not sure how it works
[17:35] <Laney> thisssss wifi
[17:35]  * Laney should pay for tethering
[17:39] <seb128> it's ridiculous that providers block that/make it a paying option
[17:40] <xnox> what's blocked?
[17:40] <Laney> My phone does something to tell them that I'm tethering
[17:41] <xnox> they count the hops on the packets.
[17:41] <xnox> without your phone telling them.
[17:41] <Laney> Nope
[17:41] <Laney> it works if I change phones
[17:41] <xnox> you can root your phone and run transparent proxy on it, i think to bypass.
[17:41] <xnox> sigh
[17:41] <ximion1> Laney: yeah, I asked richard about the polkit policy for installing AppStream data, because I found it to be really weird, and he said that it was something exclusively for endless
[17:41] <Laney> I think it must add another interface or something
[17:41] <xnox> Laney, don't you love the closed-source software defined radio stack in the phones modems?! =)
[17:42] <Laney> ximion1: seems weird
[17:42] <Laney> *but* you might care about the appstream side of it in this context
[17:43] <Laney> because I'm not sure what g-s is doing with these random AppStream files
[17:45] <ximion1> Laney: me neither... GS is sometimes using AS in weird ways, because hughsie was/is in some "make everyone happy as soon as possible" mode :P - so at least in the past, some weirdness and workarounds were added
[17:46] <Laney> ximion1: that's why I'm trying to hint you over there :P
[17:46] <ximion1> e.g. GS is way less sensitive about metadata collisions and just does a relatively complex merge to show as much data as possible
[17:46] <ximion1> (I am not super-happy about that, since it makes finding out where data came from harder)
[17:47] <ximion1> yes, the main "problem" is that people use AS in a lot of different ways, and especially for problems it was not designed to solve (e.g. a replacement for *all* package metadata)
[17:48] <ximion1> I need to write more mails, more blog posts (there is still one pending on the last release...)
[17:48] <ximion1> but time...
[17:52] <Laney> indeed
[17:52] <Laney> right, back in a bit
[17:53] <seb128> k, calling it a day here
[17:53] <seb128> have a nice evening desktopers!
[17:53] <seb128> see you tomorrow
[17:53] <willcooke> cya seb128
[17:53] <seb128> bye willcooke
[18:16] <willcooke> night all
[18:23] <tjaalton> Laney, ricotz: looks like newer gtk fixed my bug
[18:24] <ricotz> tjaalton, go go mesa 13
[18:24] <tjaalton> took two hours to upload..
[18:25] <tjaalton> network was ba-a-a-a-d
[20:41] <Laney> tjaalton: good, so let's fix tests to get it to migrate ;-)
[20:41] <Laney> (will look tomorrow)
[20:57] <Laney> ximion1: btw, asgen is deployed
[20:57] <Laney> http://appstream.ubuntu.com/
[21:05] <ximion1> Laney: wohoo! Amazing!
[21:06] <ximion1> the front-page sorting is weird, maybe I should use a sorted list as input there instead of the raw dict keys :P
[21:07] <ximion1> heh, xenial even has the old html pages, nice!
[21:11] <ximion1> Laney: at some point in the near future, I want to switch the .desktop file reading code to use the libas routines instead of its own implementation. I also want to make the archive-handling code refcounted instead of GC managed
[21:12] <ximion1> both changes are big and have a high regression potential - the first one might make your langpack stuff harder, but I'll need to look into that - it could also just require very minor adjustments


[00:31] <ShawnR> i wonder if i should upgrade my 10.04 server or wait until 13.04
[00:58] <govatent> from 10.04 to 12.04?
[01:02] <ShawnR> well, 12.10 just came out, right?
[01:02] <ShawnR> so should i just wait for the next LTS?
[01:03] <ShawnR> i'm not sure if i'm even in need of an upgrade, but i feel like that server has been let go too long
[01:03] <ShawnR> before it was just wanting to keep a nice uptime, but i recently had a power blip that jacked the router and I had to reboot it, then i just moved office to across the house
[01:03] <ShawnR> so, now i'm actually debating an upgrade to it
[01:05] <govatent> 12.04 is lts
[01:05] <govatent> from 10.04 to 12.04 i would say go for it. of course backup and stuff in case of problems doing the upgrade
[01:05] <ShawnR> right, what i was asying is... should i just wait until next april
[02:06] <raub> ShawnR: I would go to the LTS


[12:25] <ajmitch> gnomefreak: because people like to tinker
[12:25] <gnomefreak> compiz == for tinkering :(
[12:25] <jrib> vm == for tinkering
[12:30] <jrib> is there a virtual machine that automatically takes snapshots at set intervals and lets you go back?  because that would be neat
[03:51] <ubotu> Toma- called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:13] <jrib> nalioth: ppp-69-228-27-119.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net did a dc.c send in #ubuntu, I banned myself
[05:14] <jrib> erm, I mean I banned him myself :)
[05:14] <nalioth> crapstick?
[05:14] <jrib> yes
[05:14] <nalioth> klined
[05:15] <jrib> k, I'll remove the ban then.  Thanks
[05:15] <eternalswd> can someone test me for the router bug?
[05:16] <nalioth> eternalswd: sure
[05:17] <jrib> eternalswd: you're good to go
[05:17] <eternalswd> okay, thanks
[05:17] <nalioth> wow multiple attack vectors
[05:18] <TaJMoX> i changed my port to 8001 can i go back into #ubuntu now?
[05:19] <nalioth> can't keep up with jrib
[05:19] <jrib> TaJMoX: you may rejoin #ubuntu, thanks for your patience
[05:19] <TaJMoX> thanks
[05:22] <tirony> could i get tested for the DCC router related exploit whenever someone gets a chance?
[05:23] <nalioth> tirony: thanks for your patience, you can rejoin #ubuntu now
[07:28] <tritium> nalioth: see the last few minutes in #ubuntu please
[07:30] <nalioth> yeah?
[10:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, PIPBoy_ said: what is kernel
[10:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, PIPBoy_ said: what is linux
[10:30] <Pumpernickel> !bot > PIPBoy_
[02:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jit said: sound is not working
[02:39] <Pici> !bot ? jit
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bot ? jit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <Pici> !bot | jit
[02:39] <ubotu> jit: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:39] <Pici> !bot > jit
[02:40] <Pici> Not enough caffeine this morning.
[02:56] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols_ said: !abnothis error is about fd0.floppy
[02:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, mat1980 said: !abnothis error is about fd0.floppy
[03:19] <Hobbsee> jrib: how what happens?
[03:19] <jrib> two people talking to ubotu about the same thing
[03:20] <Hobbsee> probably mat1280 trying to add it, after seeing #ubuntu
[03:23] <Pici> monkey see monkey do
[03:54] <Amaranth> who do i have to kill to get my group registration processed? :)
[03:54] <Amaranth> i think it's been like 7 months now
[03:57] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: a staff memeber?
[03:57] <Amaranth> i tried
[03:57] <Amaranth> ompaul is too strong :/
[03:57] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:16] <Hobbsee> here's another one for the mad dutchman's office door...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> http://www.fredemmott.co.uk/blog_99
[05:44] <Mez> meh, why are there no decent persnoal finance applications in linux?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> kmymoney2?
[05:46] <Pici> I hear Quicken works in crossover office if you are desperate
[05:48] <nalioth> Mez: gnucash isn't decent?
[06:12] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:12] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:14] <Hobbsee> i thought we had a ban forward for them
[06:15] <Dj_Vic> aGVsbG8gZXZlcnlvbmU=
[06:16] <Hobbsee> hi to you too.
[06:16] <Dj_Vic> lol
[06:16] <Dj_Vic> how did u know what i said?
[06:16] <PriceChild> Dj_Vic, change your username... and don't spam like that.
[06:16] <Dj_Vic> aSBkb250IHRoaW5rIHNvIG1hbg==
[06:16] <Tm_T> hah
[06:17] <Hobbsee> this is some new form of rot13 plugin, it seems.
[06:17] <Dj_Vic> '=]
[06:17] <Dj_Vic> nope
[06:17] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: is he one of yours?
[06:17] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, no
[06:17] <Dj_Vic> linux sucks
[06:18] <Hobbsee> no point letting him reach #ubuntu
[06:18] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:19] <gnomefreak> i have this strange feeling hes gonna be trouble
[06:20] <Tm_T> hum
[06:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that's why i banned the IP from #ubuntu
[06:21] <Tm_T> hum
[06:22] <Tm_T> faidillinger is in the limits to collect bans
[06:36] <carlosamezcua> hola tios
[07:49] <Tm_T> !botsnack
[07:49] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:04] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, wols_ said: !ops octalcOde is a antisemite
[09:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, pi3 said: !kop is !kop
[09:06] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: thank you for the work on forums thread
[09:07] <PriceChild> *isn't going to bother requesting sticky from admins anymore...*
[09:10] <Vorian_MothMan> me smites PriceChild for not asking admins to sticky threads
[09:10] <PriceChild> Vorian_MothMan, I did! they ignored me
[09:10] <Vorian_MothMan> oops
[09:10] <pi3> do you control ubotu?
[09:10] <Vorian_MothMan> that's right
[09:10] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: was it that hard?
[09:11] <PriceChild> pi3, how can we help you?
[09:11] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, hmm?
[09:11] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: stickying it
[09:12] <PriceChild> hehe no just a couple of clicks
[09:12] <gnomefreak> anyone know wtf L is?
[09:12] <pi3> I tried to teach ubotu something, but fortunately he wouldn't learn: !abc is !abc
[09:12] <gnomefreak> LFC
[09:12] <pi3> have you blocked inf loops?
[09:12] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, linux for clinics?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:12] <PriceChild> pi3, only approved users may add factoids to ubotu
[09:12] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: meeting when and where?
[09:13] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, what meeting?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> how the hell would i know :( the LFC meeting
[09:13] <pi3> PriceChild: ok, but besides that privilege needed, can you teach ubotu something that itself makes ubotu tell you other thing?
[09:13] <PriceChild> pi3, yes
[09:13] <gnomefreak> 15:10 <gnomefreak> what about it?
[09:13] <PriceChild> would be for example "foo is <alias> bar"
[09:13] <gnomefreak> 15:10 <S1NGH> I want to know how it will go on, via IRc, if so, which channel
[09:13] <gnomefreak> 15:11 <S1NGH> is Mike online?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> is this a forums thing?
[09:14] <PriceChild> No... but they like to use our forums
[09:14] <pi3> PriceChild: and again besides the privilege, if you by mistake teach ubotu !abc is !abc
[09:14] <pi3> and then !abc
[09:14] <pi3> it would be a loop
[09:14] <PriceChild> pi3, it would tell you so and not do it
[09:15] <gnomefreak> why do i get the weirdos
[09:15] <Pici> pi3:  You can download the source code of that ubotu plugin if you're curious.
[09:16] <pi3> Pici: where can i find it? and the ubotu source?
[09:17] <crdlb> supybot.com
[09:17] <Pici> pi3: it used to be at http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/code/ubotu but its acting odd.
[09:17] <crdlb> ...which is down
[09:17] <jrib> launchpad has the code
[09:18] <Pici> pi3: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/
[09:22] <gnomefreak> someone elses turn to try to get it into danas head +1 is gutsy not -bugs not feisty support not a place to leave links he/she likes
[09:25] <Pici> Well they think: "Hay, this is where the developers hang out, I'll go message them to fix my problems"
[09:26] <Pici> And I dont really blame them...
[09:26] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, Ahhhhh... its an FC meeting tonight and they're wanting a subforum at it
[09:29] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[09:29] <gnomefreak> normally a good idea to add it to fridge if its gonna be in -meeting ;) might want to pass that on
[09:30] <PriceChild> Vorian, ^
[09:30] <Vorian> I thought I did
[09:30] <Vorian> hmm
[09:30] <Vorian> I'll email daniel again
[09:31] <Vorian> maybe I should resign eh PriceChild?
[10:40] <gnomefreak> crdlb: let him go your wasting your time
[10:41] <gnomefreak> crdlb: in every other channel hes showing signs of trolling
[11:02] <Lucifer_stunn> pls unban me from ubuntu-offtopic
[11:02] <Lucifer_stunn> why i am banned i have no clue
[11:02] <Lucifer_stunn> i guess i'm not christian enough and do not drink enough tea
[11:03] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: you still havent done as you were asked to.
[11:04] <Lucifer_stunn> what is that?  dang.
[11:04] <Lucifer_stunn> i got my car fixed and am drinking a Miller
[11:04] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: /msg ubotu coc    than   /msg ubotu rules   than read them and change what needs to be changed and i will think about lifting your ban
[11:05] <Lucifer_stunn> huh?
[11:05] <Lucifer_stunn> i got to msg two bots to get unbanned?
[11:05] <Lucifer_stunn> ok
[11:05] <Lucifer_stunn> will do, dang
[11:05] <Lucifer_stunn> my ISP is going to be pissed.
[11:06] <Lucifer_stunn> ok done.
[11:06] <Lucifer_stunn> gnomefreak....
[11:10] <gnomefreak> you either didnt read it or you didnt learn anything from it. ban stays
[11:10] <Lucifer_stunn> oh ok i read it, give me a few minutes, bot channel is still open
[11:11] <gnomefreak> nalioth: mneptok you around?
[11:12] <Lucifer_stunn> gnomefreak: Dillo can't resolve the latter URL you gave....
[11:12] <gnomefreak> see _paco_ in -devel
[11:13] <Lucifer_stunn> me?
[11:13] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: we went over this the other day (maybe yesterday?) either way the ban will stay until you can follow the guildelines set forth in those 2 links
[11:13] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: not you
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: when im speaking to you your nick will start my comments
[11:14] <Lucifer_stunn> just pls tell me here and don't obfuscate my browser
[11:14] <gnomefreak> nalioth: mneptok and -kernel :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: you can start with a nick change
[11:15] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: than you can read the docs
[11:15] <Lucifer_stunn> you don't 0W|\| FreeNode.net, please.  RIP Lilo.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> Lucifer_stunn: your not dealing with freenode atm.
[11:15] <Lucifer_stunn> anyways...Slayer - Seasons in the Abyss...Good Luck with your Private Company that "bleeds money" :D
[11:16] <mc44> unbanning him would be a bad idea imho :)
[11:16] <bbrazil> mc44: I find your ideas appealing, and wish to subscribe to your newsletter
[11:17] <gnomefreak> mc44: noone planned to unban him at all
[11:17] <Pici> All this computer hacking is making me thirsty, I think I'll order a Tab.
[11:17] <mc44> gnomefreak: I know, just sayin
[11:17] <gnomefreak> he is gonna try to evade it IMHO
[11:18] <mc44> when he changes his nick back to his cloak, I expect he will
[11:31] <nalioth> gnomefreak: pong
[11:32] <gnomefreak>  _paco_ is a troll in -devel and -kernel
[11:32] <gnomefreak> damnit _ paco _
[11:33] <gnomefreak> nalioth: and lucifer_stunn in -devel
[11:34] <gnomefreak> paco is still htere stunn left
[11:42] <gnomefreak> mc44: changing to his cloak wont help :)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> nalioth: the paco guy only said it once per channel and now its just quiet


[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:47] <BluesKaj> latest upgrade on 21.10 removes pulseaudio-utils, media players like smplayer and vlc didn't decode the audio track properly til I reinstalled pulseaudio-utils and pulseaudio itself.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> even with pipewire installed and enabled
[14:17] <santa_> good afternoon everyone
[14:17] <santa_> RikMills: hey, how is kdenlive/mlt going?
[14:35] <blaze> BluesKaj: choose one or the other. you don't need both of them at the same time
[14:47] <RikMills> santa_: I have had an ill relative to look after, so have got nowhere with that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> blaze, yeah, removed pulse* and am using pipewire which seems to be working correctly
[14:53] <santa_> RikMills: oh, I'm sorry to hear that, let's see if I have time to assist you with that
[14:55] <santa_> RikMills: another thing: except for that problem with that plasma respin, have you hit any other problem with KA? I'm considering to do the 2.4 release and deprecate the 2.3 which is very obsolete now
[14:55] <santa_> ... and if we do anything about massive respins, do it in 2.5


[09:01] <jibel> mvo, Hi, about the 'bug' yesterday with ldtp. The keycodes for non-printable chars are hardcoded in ldtpd. But depending on the keymap the keysym are converted to different keycodes. I think it works correctly on US keyboard, and that's why it doesn't on european ones.
[09:01] <jibel> mvo, can you paste the output of xmodmap -pke ?
[09:05] <mvo> jibel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/564881/
[09:06] <jibel> mvo, thanks, if you use <next> instead of <pagedown>  that should send a pagedown.
[09:07] <jibel> mvo, and <prior> for pageup
[09:10] <mvo> thanks


[01:23] <rww> . !unregged should mention https://www.freenode.net/sasl/
[01:23] <rww> !unregged
[01:25] <Unit193> !register | This would be a better target, perhaps linking to !doublejoin (has info on SASL.) That one there is pretty full as is.
[01:25] <rww> !doublejoin
[01:26]  * rww ponders
[01:26] <Unit193> ...Or I thought it did. :/
[01:26] <rww> !search sasl
[01:26] <rww> !torsasl
[01:26] <rww> !-torsasl
[01:26] <rww> !-tor-gpg
[01:26] <rww> !tor
[01:26] <rww> o rite
[01:26] <rww> sorry, got distracted there
[01:28] <rww> !identify
[01:28] <rww> ffs
[01:28] <rww> !search nickserv
[01:28] <phunyguy> are you having fun?
[01:28] <Unit193> I think someone broke rww.
[01:30]  * IdleOne slaps people around
[01:30] <IdleOne> acrocursing!
[01:30] <rww> !identify =~ s%$.*IRC client.%You can identify to NickServ automatically when connecting to freenode. See https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify for more information.%
[01:30] <rww> !identify =~ s%^.*IRC client.%You can identify to NickServ automatically when connecting to freenode. See https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify for more information.%
[01:30] <rww> !identify
[01:30] <rww> oh
[01:30] <rww> sigh ubottu
[01:31] <rww> !identify =~ s%^%<reply> %
[01:31] <rww> !identify
[01:31] <rww> !identify
[01:31] <IdleOne> lol
[01:31] <IdleOne> !identify
[01:31] <rww> thanks
[01:32] <phunyguy> rww drives the bot pretty good
[01:32] <IdleOne> Computer recognize rww, security clearance Alpha Nine Omega One
[01:33] <rww> !unregged =~ s%Try adding.*$%See https://www.freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify for some tips on fixing this.%
[01:33] <rww> !unregged
[01:34] <rww> This has been your daily rww ubottu spam session
[01:34] <IdleOne> So far season 2 of Farscape is disappointing
[01:34] <phunyguy> Never heard of it
[01:34] <rww> i have. it has MUPPETS
[01:34] <phunyguy> o.O
[01:34] <rww> very much like #ubuntu-offtopic in that respect
[01:35] <phunyguy> finally.
[01:35]  * phunyguy ducks
[03:36] <phunyguy> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic corp_drone muted due to persisitent leetspeak
[03:36] <phunyguy> or not
[03:36] <phunyguy> lag :-/
[03:37] <IdleOne> ubottu: lag
[03:37] <IdleOne> thought so
[03:38] <phunyguy> no it was me
[03:38] <phunyguy> I got like 30 messages in offtopic.  Was wondering why it got so quiet.
[03:38] <IdleOne> I know, the bot said so :)
[03:44] <phunyguy> :)
[20:11] <k1l> [sloppycode] (poep@ti-229-164-242.telkomadsl.co.za): Haas vanwyk   just joined in #ubuntu-arm , wasnt that the user that used to make trouble?
[20:11] <k1l> ah, just left
[21:49] <harris> i accidently pressed alt a which posted the away message and got banned
[21:50] <k1l> harris: please read the !guidelines they explicitly tell not to use away scripts
[21:50] <harris> i mean kicked
[21:50] <harris> i did on accident
[21:50] <k1l> harris: and you didnt get banned. you got kicked to not spam the channel any more
[21:51] <rww> harris: you can turn off away messages being sent to the channel and just use the built-in away message function (which shows up on /whois) on xchat, if you'd like. would you like info on doing that?
[21:57] <rww> guess not :(
[22:01] <k1l> harris: if that issue is resolved please dont idle in here and be aware to stick to the !guidelines in future. if you are unsure please re read the guidelines
[22:25] <k1l> staff might want to take a look at some bitcoin spammers: [Ketamine_] (~a@pool-72-79-241-142.spfdma.east.verizon.net): ...
[22:39] <Pricey> What're they up to?
[22:39] <Pricey> Ah I see.


[00:21] <BuntuTech> hello lubuntites i made lubuntu wallpaper and put it on imgur
[00:21] <BuntuTech> http://imgur.com/lprRQXJ
[00:21] <BuntuTech> check it out
[00:39] <BuntuTech> i have a question, when i 1st installed lubuntu it was using about 170-180mb ram i added gimp and hexchat and now its up to 300mb ram? did you make lubuntu so it uses more and more ram when i install something? those programs should not effect ram use when i am not using them?
[00:41] <BuntuTech> well i guess  i do have hexchat on now but even so how did i get from 170mb ram to 308?
[00:43] <phillw> BuntuTech:  my advice,
[00:43] <phillw> #1 the wallpaper is not a support issue, so should be on #lubuntu-offtopic and
[00:43] <phillw> #2 ... go speak to the devil.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork The boss there does not bite, but you need a good sense of humour for our art work team
[00:43] <BuntuTech>  i have a question, when i 1st installed lubuntu it was using about 170-180mb ram i added gimp and hexchat and now its up to 300mb ram? did you make lubuntu so it uses more and more ram when i install something? those programs should not effect ram use when i am not using them?
 well i guess  i do have hexchat on now but even so how did i get from 170mb ram to 308?
[00:44] <phillw> BuntuTech take the invite
[00:45] <BuntuTech> i  had a question for here too
[00:45] <BuntuTech> i am also in that chat
[06:12] <silverlion> good morning. I have a problem with upgrading :( just upgraded to the latest kernel (36) and while configurating the GRUB file terminal seems to have frozen completely. any ideas?
[10:22] <TTilus> how do i upgrade quantal?
[10:24] <TTilus> instructions say i first need to run updates on quantal and only then attempt dist upgrade
[10:25] <TTilus> apt-get update seems to run happily, but at the end spews a bunch of 404's
[10:27] <TTilus> apt-get upgrade after that says she'll update 23 packages and keep 2, then complains about not being able to verify the checksums and if i still say "yes" it gets 404 on every 23 packages
[10:27] <TTilus> should i prolly be asking this on main ubuntu channel and not here?
[10:28] <tsimpson> TTilus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades should be helpful
[10:29] <TTilus> tsimpson: oh, behold, thanks alot!
[10:31] <allen_> hi
[10:32] <allen_> I came from Win->CentOS->Ubuntu->Xubuntu>Lubuntu!
[10:32] <allen_> and i think lubuntu is best!
[10:32] <allen_> (cuz my laptop is old...)
[10:53] <hateball> :)
[18:05] <Gatis> Hi!


 @docEbrown [Hans, are you still there?], now I'm
 but I'm in another pc now, with lxde
 cool.  So it is possible I'm on the total wrong track.
 ???
 I was thinking it sounds like the issue is just getting the feed in and out of qterminal right?  qterminal provides all the interface for the update.  Also the work you have done is amazing so please dont think I think otherwise
 not quite
 sorry qterminal provides the interface
 to watch the apt-update
 the story is this. For apt upgrade (or dist-upgrade) you can use aptdaemon
 but aptdaemon lacks info during the installation process, it has during the download but not during the installation
 this is why I'm trying to "attach" a terminal to aptdaemon, to see what is happening
 There is another way of solving this which is opening a terminal and run "sudo apt dist-upgrade"
 te problem with that approach is that when you run qterminal to execute something, it closes after finish. Example "qterminal -e ls"
 ok excellent.  Thanks for clearing.  Let me have a play and I'll get back to you.  Sorry for this being so time consuming and convoluted!
 jajaa, no, thank you
 we will get there! My stubborness has kicked in ;)
 we can't let this beat us ;)
[01:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf7452b946d88: Add preview settings to prefrences] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf7452b946d88
[03:11] <wxl> ok time to do some stuff
 Ohai
[03:12] <wxl> howzit
 *throws a stack on wxl's desk* get at it, boss XD
 Good good
[03:12] <wxl> i just got done shoveling 9 inches of snow
 Pffft
 Those are rookie numbers
[03:13] <wxl> not for out here
 Normal day here.
 Yesterday half of it melted, and today it ALL FROZE OVER
 Same here.
 40 mph winds too
 Uff, yeah
[03:14] <wxl> thus the reason for shoveling.. no want freezing
[03:15] <wxl> no winds here thank god, but we had lots of downed trees from the weight of the snow
 It melts anyway
 Nine inches of snow downs trees? Jeeez
[03:15] <wxl> different trees, dude
[03:15] <wxl> similarly, there are plenty of plants that don't do well in the desert
 Meh
 This 32 bit beast is slow to install on.
 Almost there.
[03:18] <wxl> you doing 16.04.6?
 Indeed.
[03:18] <wxl> makes sense
 Last time I did a Lubuntu install on my 32 bit machine before I had to decommission it, it took somewhere around an hour
 It takes about 25 minutes but it feels like an eternity.
 Yeah
 I'm out for the night. I don't have an EFI machine to test on but I could do it in a VM if we need.
[04:03] <wxl> i'm gonna do it in a vm
 Sounds good.
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[05:25] <wxl> @tsimonq2: i even did the optional for amd64. i could do i386 on amd64 for the i386 bits..
 Got 'er otter
 Woooo
 I'll mark amd64 as ready
 Just need i386
[05:28] <wxl> i imagine we could coerce kc2bez since he's got it on his machine
[05:28] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Xenial 16.04.6] has been marked as ready
[05:28] <wxl> the uefi thing for i386, though, is obviously a more complicated situation
 Yeaaah
 I might just call it good when that's the only one left
[05:29] <wxl> well we could
[05:29] <wxl> there's the optional one, too
 Nah, I'll call it good
[05:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Xenial 16.04.6] has been marked as ready
 Hey wxl, go review my code XD
 https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/autopkgtest-cloud/+git/bug-1654761/+merge/363643
[05:38] <wxl> oh hell no
[05:38] <wxl> way too deep of a rabbit hole
 XDDD
 Yeah, that took me a bit to wrap my head around.
[05:39] <wxl> i've been meaning to play with autopkgtest but never have
 It's fun stuff
 Especially when you grasp how AMQP and such works, and the relationship between the workers and the main server
 Britney is fun too
 Related: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1817626
 If sil2100 acks I'll implement it
[05:43] <wxl> ampq is cute
[05:44] <wxl> which implementation they using?
 RabbitMQ
[05:44] <wxl> i played with that a bit at the first oscon i went to
[05:44]  * lynorian does not know what AMQP is
 Distributed queuing library of sorts
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 @wxl [<wxl> the uefi thing for i386, though, is obviously a more complicated situation], You mean an amd64 installation with a 32-bit UEFI?
[07:20] <guiverc> aptghetto - the conversation was about 16.04.6 QA-testing; it was i386 (not amd64)  -- no run-once test on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/400/builds/188839/testcases  ; but it was deemed acceptable without test
 AFAIK the Ubuntu i386 kernel does not support UEFI, but the the amd64 kernel can be booted from a 32-bit UEFI (grub-ia32). ... But maybe there was some change and Ubuntu allows also to install a i386 kernel on a 32 bit UEFI machine?
 Hey all, I'm helping Hans with the lubuntu-update-notifier.  I am testing in Disco Dingo and it is saying I am missing the Breeze-Dark theme.  Where can I get the official lubuntu breeze-dark for disco dingo?
[08:15] <guiverc> docEbrown: dpkg -S reveals "breeze-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/breeze-dark/places/64/user-trash.svg" (a file (of thousands) I picked at random on my 19.04 system) -- maybe helpful?
 thanks!
 @guiverc [<guiverc> docEbrown: dpkg -S reveals "breeze-icon-theme: /usr/share/icons/breeze …], yeah it isnt installed at all dpkg -S showed nothing
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 @HMollerCl [jajaa, no, thank you], https://hastebin.com/esutebicec.coffeescript
 @HMollerCl I've had a bit of a play.  the process at line 16 will run in qterminal, but as qterminal takes over the stdout of the less process, it returns nothing of value to the python process.  So it may be worth putting in the qterminal script a pipe to a known file for debugging storage processes.  I also found https://github.co
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 Awesome!
 @S. J. [Great experience with 19.04. Keep up the good work. Around Feb. 20th a daily bui …], Oh yeah, so that daily was a bit borked
 That was GNOME :P
 Someone on the Ubuntu Desktop team made a mistake and we had to correct it, but it should be fine now, right?
 Awesome!
 Sure!
 Check out translate.lubuntu.me
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 @S. J. [Thanks a lot. Will have a look. Great OS!], Thanks!
 @tsimonq2 [Thanks!], so weblate works then?  :P
 @teward001 [so weblate works then?  :P], Yes :P
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[21:09] <wxl> re-spin of 16.04.6 coming :(
[21:10] <wxl> home encryption was busted so in addition to checking everything over we need to check that
 Oof
[21:11] <wxl> that said your i386 machine is going to be busy dan :///
 I will see if I can make it last.
 Aww man :(
[21:18] <guiverc> i can do re-install 16.04.6 to partition (manual) & live i686, the install-BIOS(desktop) can be any so can do that too (or could it be ticked off with manual-partition install?
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[23:53] <lynorian> was k3b purpsofully removed from the seed of 19.04?
[23:53] <wxl> is it gone???
[23:54] <lynorian> yes
[23:54] <lynorian> sorry for not bringing this up earlier
[23:54] <wxl> i had so many people complain about that missing
[23:55] <lynorian> well I don't have a fresh install currently but I should check if it is back on the seed
[23:55] <guiverc> (k3b: not on my system, nor the daily I'm running too)
[23:55] <wxl> i don't see anywhere that we removed it
[23:55] <wxl> did we never have it?????
 it was in 18.10
 maybe we didn't have it explicitly
 so, another package recommended it and now it does not.
[23:57] <wxl> i don't see it in the cosmic seed


[06:02] <bts3685|vps> jthan: i doubt you're awake, but i'm totally playing with python frlz now and kind of loving it
[06:02] <bts3685|vps> argparse alone has me wetting my pants
[06:36] <ChinnoDog> oops
[10:56] <rmg51> Morning
[11:13] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[11:34] <rmg51> o/
[12:30] <jedijf> bts3685|vps: jthan shameless fc magazine plug: they have been doing a series on python programming...haven't read it, but i know it's there ...google it full circle magazine
[13:02] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:12] <InHisName> morning teddy-dbear and others
[13:13] <rmg51> o/
[13:15] <JonathanD> to work.
[13:26] <InHisName> to basement (my raised floor computer room is there)
[13:52] <n2diy> My sound notification in xchat-gnome quit working a while back?
[13:52] <n2diy> but it is working with other apps.
[14:39] <n2diy>  my sound notification no longer works in xchat-gnome, or Thunderbird, but it works with other apps?
[14:53] <MobileTurkey> looks like you've contracted turkey-pox
[14:54] <MobileTurkey> have you seen/ate any turkey burgers recently?
[14:54] <MobileTurkey> are you feeling sick or tired?
[14:54] <MobileTurkey> is your name Bruce?
[14:54] <MobileTurkey> :x
[15:12] <InHisName> pox on the turkey
[15:18] <JonathanD> ancient laptop now has sound and wifi under ancient ubuntu
[15:19] <JonathanD> victory!
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> lol. You downgraded Ubuntu to make it work.
[15:20] <JonathanD> Yes.
[15:20] <jedijf> old_things++
[15:21] <JonathanD> now I'm fiddling with grub to make the other wifi card work on boot.
[15:25] <jedijf> JonathanD: just add the right modules to modules.conf and blacklist(if it loads bad one)
[15:40]  * rhpot1991 agrees with jedijf
[15:40] <JonathanD> jedijf: it seems to not like cardbus :)
[15:41] <JonathanD> boots with noapci though.
[15:41] <JonathanD> and then the adapter works.
[19:11] <MutantTurkey> jedijf:
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> my laptop seems to be loosing its maximum capacity very fast and scarily.
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> it's max capacity now I think is 92%
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> now that I am using it though Isort of like the mouseover :P
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> tooltip i mean
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> (whoops wrong channel)
[22:54] <jthan> Listened to this today in my free time.  It's about (partially) scientific literacy in America.  If you've never heard of Neil DeGrasse Tyson he's a great guy.
[22:54] <jthan> http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2011/11/28/stephen-colbert-interviews-neil-degrasse-tyson/
[22:55] <MutantTurkey> This just in stephen colbert polls to be america's least serious comedia.
[22:55] <MutantTurkey> s/comedia/comedian
[22:55] <MutantTurkey> s/serious/funny
[22:55] <MutantTurkey> :x


[01:00] <troy_s> kwwii: Nice to see that you published some bits to the gutsy incoming page.
[01:00] <kwwii> troy_s: there will be more coming soon
[01:01] <troy_s> wholly crappers
[01:01] <troy_s> have you tried the new melt / etc mode in inkscape?
[01:01] <kwwii> if nothing else, it might show people what kind of colors we want
[01:01] <troy_s> all i can say is _wow_
[01:02] <kwwii> troy_s: no, but I saw the function - i used something similar in illustrator before
[01:02] <troy_s> kwwii: Actually, that was a question -- what are the odds that you could wrestle for some colour into it?  As in pump a pinch of those triplets we worked out decades ago.
[01:02] <kwwii> really handy for just drawing
[01:02] <troy_s> kwwii: It has roughen too.  Very amazing.
[01:02] <kwwii> hehe, funny enough I was just looking at the mail you sent me with the color palettes ;-)
[01:03] <troy_s> kwwii: I really think that in terms of the minute 'increments' (if you can call them that) that might be a very valuable one.
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: One further step towards something akin to a palette.
[01:04] <kwwii> yepp, that was what I was thinking too
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Also, what are the bits you are going to require for an included optional theme?
[01:04] <kwwii> no requirements at all
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: GDM / Wallpaper?
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Elements I was speaking.
[01:04] <troy_s> kwwii: Sorry.
[01:05] <kwwii> we need to get people contributing - I'll include anything that is halfway decent
[01:06] <kwwii> we need to reassure people that their work is appreciated
[01:06] <troy_s> kwwii: Hrm... so where will this end up?
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: And people contributing is relatively easy if you can spec something up to the discreet componentry.
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: For example, with the wallpaper, to prevent the scattering of effort you could perhaps spec up several details that you want included and stamp a palette onto the requirements.
[01:07] <kwwii> anything that is not a "full" theme (gdm and wallpaper or more) will end up in an extra package called something like "community themes/artwork"
[01:07] <troy_s> kwwii: With that very clear 'don't step outside of this palette' rules.
[01:08] <troy_s> kwwii: So the question then turns to 'what is a full theme'?
[01:08] <troy_s> kwwii: As there isn't really a good 'artwork' gui to handle all of the bits.
[01:08] <kwwii> a full theme would be at least gdm, wallpaper and color scheme, I guess
[01:09] <kwwii> yes, giving a palette to stick to would make things harder at first for people, but better in the long run
[01:09] <kwwii> the missing gui functionality is the worst part of all
[01:09] <kwwii> because something that is not a total theme would only end up in the list of possible parts
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: I was also quite impressed that you took that particle smasher idea from ages ago.  It works well and COULD appeal to shuttlebutt.
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: He seems into that space / tech thing.
[01:11] <troy_s> kwwii: If I had to loosely describe it.
[01:11] <kwwii> yeah, he found my version a bit too reddish but I am still working on it
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: And if you provide say, three colours for the guys to work with you at least eliminate all the rubbish that people tend to poop out.
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: How the hell is it too reddish?  Jeebus h christ.
[01:12] <troy_s> kwwii: The palette is almost a must-have considering the ultimate judge.
[01:14] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt - he knows exactly what he wants - if only we all could understand that better
[01:14] <kwwii> I'll add some color stuff to the wiki page tomorrow
[01:15] <kwwii> time for sleep soon
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: he has no clue exactly what he wants
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: In fact, he tends to be closer to an amoeba than anything else.
[01:15] <troy_s> kwwii: When it comes to him weighing in on styles.
[01:16] <kwwii> ;-)
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: Oh crappers
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: I forgot to mention, perhaps attach the breezy/hoary walls to show the people what you are talking about.
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: On the wiki page -- pretty sure they have no clue.
[01:22] <troy_s> kwwii: iirc bersace put them in the archives on the wiki
[01:23] <troy_s> kwwii: or at least one of them
[01:23] <troy_s> kwwii: probably a good 'update' to your original email.
[01:23] <kwwii> good idea, I was wondering if anyone even looked at them
[01:24] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't think so :)
[01:24] <troy_s> kwwii: But it certainly would help to steer towards something usable or generate decent ideas as 'spins' on that implementation
[01:25] <troy_s> kwwii: I wonder who did those earlier walls.
[01:26] <kwwii> one of them was a guy we paid to do feisty work, but he got somehow just disappeared after offering random crap
[01:26] <kwwii> and the other one was a guy who worked for the advertising agency we used to use (now we have a new one)
[01:27] <kwwii> well, I should be more on the ball with this stuff, but I am also working on several other projects at the same time
[01:27] <kwwii> I've talked to them about that though and in the future I will do almost nothing but desktop work
[01:29] <kwwii> I've got my eyes open for a few new people - artists, usablity, interface design, etc.
[01:31] <kwwii> anyway...time for sleep - see you soon
[12:11] <lapo> hi
[08:35] <lapo> hi
[09:29] <alex-weej> bonjour


[16:12] <KBar> hello. isnt this description wrong? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=less
[16:14] <KBar> i think its confusing less (the pager) with LESS (https://lesscss.org/#docs)
[19:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Not sure what's going on with this build, if it's running, if it's just super slow, or if it's frozen, but I haven't seen builds this slow for a very long time: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:8.0.0~git20220823-0ubuntu1/+build/24309692
[19:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, I guess it's not frozen, just super slow. Never mind, carry on.


[02:00] <Unit193> https://github.com/davekeogh/xfce4-docklike-plugin/commit/bbc062f9f6e28864df7019b9ed70e978d95a9335 - https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin/issues/103 looks like he's finally forked officially and opened the issue tracker.


[07:08] <dpm> morning all
[12:09] <RawChid> Hello :)
[12:11] <sagaci> hi
[12:18] <RawChid> I'm looking at the strings of oneconf. And see a lot of sentences don't begin with a capital. Some of them are shown in --help, and some of them are just "print" messages.   I think about translating them all Capitalized. What do you think?
[12:20] <Jessica_Lily> dpm I've added a locale to the na'vi bug
[12:20] <Jessica_Lily> well a link to glibc bug which i filed with it attacked
[12:20] <Jessica_Lily> *attached
[12:38] <dpm> RawChid, it should be ok, although you should then watch out when the developer corrects them all to be capitalized in the original strings, then all your translations will be discarded (well, just marked as fuzzy)
[12:38] <dpm> you might want to give the dev a heads up
[12:38] <dpm> I think it's didrocks
[12:39] <dpm> you can find him on #ubuntu-devel
[12:39] <dpm> or #ubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, wow, good work!
[12:39] <Jessica_Lily> thanks, i used what i could from the klingon & GB locales
[12:40] <Jessica_Lily> stuff like currancy? i just borrowed from GB because i had no idea what to put for obvious reasons :P
[12:42] <dpm> :)
[12:42] <RawChid> Yeah, that's why I was asking.  And I can contribute by "improving" the strings.
[12:42] <RawChid> Thanks dpm
[12:44] <dpm> so the na'vi are going to use pounds, then? ;)
[12:44] <Jessica_Lily> sure! :P
[12:46] <Jessica_Lily> dpm I assume you can change that when you apply a locale you can go into the config and choose like currency if you happen to use a different one
[12:46] <Jessica_Lily> so like US people who use this can go into their settings or german or w/e
[12:46] <dpm> yeah, exactly
[12:46] <Jessica_Lily> awesome!
[12:46] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, can you remind me about the bug number?
[12:47] <Jessica_Lily> urrrrm two seconds (not sure myself)
[12:47] <dpm> no rush :)
[12:48] <Jessica_Lily> its cool, with the power of bash https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+question/166319
[12:48] <Jessica_Lily> (grepped all my logs in one command xD)
[12:48] <Jessica_Lily> :P
[12:48] <Jessica_Lily> <3  bash
[12:52] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, you can also file a bug in the langpack-locales package in Ubuntu. It often takes a long time for a locale to be included in glibc, so if there is good support behind it and the locale definition has all the right format and content, we sometimes include it as a patch in Ubuntu, so that people can start working on translations in the meantime until it gets accepted.
[12:52] <dpm> Here's how:
[12:52] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+filebug
[12:52] <dpm> if you do that, remember to add a bug watcher to the upstream bug
[12:52] <dpm> otherwise the langpack-locales maintainers will ask you to file a bug upstream first :)
[12:59] <Jessica_Lily> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/831976 <-- like that?
[13:03] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, exactly like that :) - for extra points, you can add a watch to the upstream bug: you can simply click on the "Also affects project" link and follow the instructions there
[13:04] <Jessica_Lily> ahhh
[13:04] <Jessica_Lily> thats cool
[13:06] <Jessica_Lily> dpm how long do you think that'll take?
[13:07] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, honestly, I cannot say, it depends on how busy the developers are
[13:07] <dpm> so it might be a few day or a few weeks
[13:08] <Jessica_Lily> ahh okay
[13:08] <dpm> and it depends as well whether the locale def needs any tweaking
[13:09] <dpm> you can always try to talk to the maintainers directly on IRC
[13:10] <Jessica_Lily> xD
[13:10] <Jessica_Lily> dpm how can i do that?
[15:12] <Jessica_Lily> dpm how did you say i could speed up the totem renaming bug
[15:12] <Jessica_Lily> "Movie Player" -> "Film Player"
[15:16] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, I was suggesting to get in touch with the British English translators through their mailing list
[15:16] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb
[15:20] <Jessica_Lily> I just send an email to the email listed there
[15:21]  * Jessica_Lily doesn't use mailing lists
[15:26] <Jessica_Lily> dpm what do i say to them?
[15:33] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, just mention the bug, asking what they think about your proposal, which hopefully should spark a discussion in which they change the translation or agree that the current one is good enough
[15:33] <Jessica_Lily> okay!
[15:33] <Jessica_Lily> :D
[15:34] <dpm> :-)


[00:22] <asac> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.dev/
[00:22] <asac> Pushed up to revision 64.
[00:26] <Ubulette> you need to update src/Makefile (and README)
[00:26] <asac> Ubulette: well ... not yet active ;)
[00:26] <asac> probably will need a few more checkins
[00:26] <Ubulette> k
[00:34] <Ubulette> mozilla-devscripts was a good idea after all
[00:36] <Ubulette> hmm http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2008/02/platform_tilt.html
[00:36] <Ubulette> "The source to the WK wrappers is not available; the implementations are in a binary blob library that you download with the Webkit sources. It appears the sole purpose of closing the source to this library is to conceal the signatures of the undocumented framework APIs used by Webkit, presumably so that ISVs like us can't use them. "
[00:38] <asac> is that true?
[00:38] <asac> i don't think that debian would have let webkit in if it had binary blobs
[00:38] <asac> ah its mac only
[00:38] <asac> ok
[00:39] <Ubulette> donno if it's mac only or not
[00:41] <asac> Ubulette: how to match all whitespaces in plain grep?
[00:42] <Ubulette> [:space:]
[00:43] <asac> \s ?
[00:43] <asac> ok let me try
[00:43] <asac> doesn't work :(
[00:43] <Ubulette> \s would be perl, not grep
[00:43] <asac> that sucks
[00:44] <asac> whats going on :(
[00:44] <Ubulette> [[:space:]]
[00:44] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ echo "a   b\nab" | grep '[[:space:]]'
[00:44] <Ubulette> a   b
[00:44] <asac>  good
[00:44] <asac> thats better
[00:45] <asac> same for sed?
[00:45] <Ubulette> yes
[00:46] <asac> hmm
[00:46] <asac> not
[00:47] <asac> ok
[00:47] <asac> typo
[00:48] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ echo "a   b\nab" | sed -e 's/[[:space:]][[:space:]]*/+/'
[00:48] <Ubulette> a+b
[00:48] <Ubulette> ab
[00:49] <asac> lol
[00:49] <asac> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
[10:48] <asac> Ubulette_: i contacted john a while back. i received a reply yesterday. apparently his health is still pretty bad (internal bleeding) and he needs another surgory that will hopefully fix it
[10:48] <asac> Ubulette_: i thought you would like to know
[10:57] <[reed]> :(
[11:20] <asac> carlos: ok i have written a generic .xpi mangler .mk file for our mozilla builds systems. I will try to hook this into ubufox and firefox-3.0 + xulrunner-1.9 today and provide you with the resulting .xpi files
[11:21] <asac> carlos: do you need something else for your local import to happen? .e.g. like the .changes file of a build?
[11:21] <asac> or can you say: this is xulrunner.po while importing manually?
[11:22] <asac> carlos: further i have acquired scarce resources from the mobile project that will write the .po -> .xpi transformation based on an outlined algorithm
[11:22] <asac> so ... all in all: things move!
[11:28] <carlos> asac: I only need the .xpi files
[11:28] <carlos> because I will do a manual upload
[11:28] <asac> carlos: yes ... i just wondered if the project-id would still be firefox for ubufox?
[11:29] <asac> (like what you pasted yesterday)
[11:29] <carlos> asac: and yes, I can upload the xpi file as many times I want and with as many names I want
[11:29] <asac> if we could get that right for these demo imports it should be enough
[11:29] <carlos> asac: no, for ububox it will be ububox
[11:29] <asac> carlos: good
[11:29] <carlos> or whatever you ask me to be
[11:30] <carlos> asac: it was firefox because I didn't take the time to create an ububox product in my local launchpad
[11:30] <carlos> and reused a firefox one we have around
[11:30] <asac> carlos: my mangler thing is pretty smart ... we could also sort out multiple translations: like en-US.xpi + de-DE.xpi if the install tree ships translations for other languages
[11:30] <asac> would that be of use for auto importing translations?
[11:30] <asac> (some extension packages have translations in the main binary)
[11:30] <carlos> that would be perfect to handle translations for extensions
[11:31] <carlos> that include multiple languages inside the tarball
[11:31] <asac> ok ... not my primary objective, but certainly something we should keep in mind
[11:31] <carlos> asac: I have a question for you. What happen for those translations in the package build?
[11:31] <asac> thats still open ... for now we just do en-US ... in that case it will stay in the package
[11:31] <carlos> remember that if we install them, that will conflict with the one from language packs
[11:31] <asac> later when we do translation exports we should remove them from the package
[11:32] <asac> (but just the translations)
[11:32] <asac> is that ok?
[11:32] <carlos> yes, that would be perfect
[11:32] <asac> carlos: yes. lets for now focus on get the initial use case right
[11:32] <carlos> anyway, we sent a request to Mozilla developers to know whether there is any way to override translations
[11:32] <carlos> so you don't need to remove them from hte package
[11:32] <asac> carlos: you can ask [reed] in this channel
[11:33] <asac> he is our mozilla liason ;)
[11:33] <[reed]> hehe
[11:33] <asac> the one shielding the efficient mozilla devs from stupid questions from ubuntu ;)
[11:33] <carlos> asac: we were talking with Seth Bindernagel who is supposed to forward our questions to someone else
[11:33] <carlos> which I guess may be [reed] ;-)
[11:33] <carlos> [reed]: btw, hi
[11:33] <[reed]> hiya
[11:34] <asac> carlos: maybe try [reed] to get more instanteanous answers or irc nicks suitable for certain kind of questions
[11:34] <asac> i think works better than writing mails
[11:34] <[reed]> so, what's the question?
[11:34] <carlos> I guess :-)
[11:34] <asac> carlos: anyway ... in the long run we don't need this "overwrite translations" feature
[11:35] <asac> the mangler should just remove the translations from the chrome
[11:35] <asac> i think that should be possible. its just one more step
[11:35] <carlos> [reed]: is there any way to have two directories for the same Firefox extension with translations for the same locale?
[11:35] <carlos> so one would be translations that come from the package itself
[11:35] <carlos> and another one with extra translations from Ubuntu language-packs
[11:36] <[reed]> mmm
[11:36] <asac> i think its possible ... but its undefined in which order they are loaded/applied (so you don't know which package wins)
[11:36] <[reed]> yeah, maybe... I'll ask around when people are awake
[11:36] <carlos> asac: yeah, that's what you told me before, just wanted to get a confirmation :-)
[11:36] <carlos> [reed]: cool, thank you
[11:37] <asac> carlos: but if we have the import/export, we won't that anymore, right?
[11:37] <asac> as we can just export everything?
[11:37] <asac> s/won't/won't need/
[11:37] <[reed]> I should just go to bed
[11:38] <[reed]> it's 5:38am
[11:38] <[reed]> hmm
[11:38] <carlos> asac: well, if you keep removing translations on package build, that's ok
[11:38] <[reed]> working on some assembly programs, though
[11:38] <carlos> [reed]: or maybe start waking up and have breakfast :-P
[11:38] <[reed]> lol
[11:38] <asac> haha
[11:38] <asac> [reed]: yeah, take a nap
[11:38] <asac> i know you will be back in 3 hours anyway ;)
[11:38] <[reed]> hah
[11:39] <asac> life is too exciting to sleep that long
[11:39] <[reed]> yay, it's Friday at least
[11:39] <[reed]> weekend
[11:39] <[reed]> woo
[11:39] <carlos> asac: take in mind that you should remove translations only in packages that are in mind. But anyway, nothing that should be done yet in that field
[11:39] <asac> hehe ... i will do lunch now instead
[11:39] <carlos> :-)
[11:40] <asac> carlos: he? yes. we enable the translation support on a per package basis. if a package is not translated by launchpad, we just don't do any mangling for it
[11:40] <[reed]> I do wish launchpad didn't dominate my Google search results
[11:40] <[reed]> hmmz
[11:40] <carlos> asac: cool
[11:40] <asac> ubuntu community is *HUGE*
[11:41] <asac> i mean really huge. if you have an issue for windows you usually end up in ubuntuforums.org :) ... thats what a friend told me who uses XP
[11:41] <[reed]> no, I mean if you search for "Reed Loden", you get tons of launchpad results
[11:41] <[reed]> lol
[11:41] <[reed]> I'm not even that active on launchpad!
[11:41] <asac> haha ... how did you get your name into launchpad?
[11:42] <[reed]> well, I have an account, but that's about it
[11:42] <asac> for me there is not a single result on the first result page
[11:42] <asac> won't call it "dominating"
[11:42] <asac> ;)
[11:43] <[reed]> really?
[11:43] <[reed]> oh
[11:43] <[reed]> for "Alexander Sack" ?
[11:43] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:43] <asac> no for "reed loden" :)
[11:43] <[reed]> well, other people have your name, too :)
[11:43] <[reed]> my name is pretty unique
[11:43] <asac> for me that is true
[11:44] <asac> ok headinf for lunch
[12:28] <asac> if you have a test xul app, i can try for you
[12:29] <asac> oh wrong channel
[12:31] <armin76> fail
[12:32] <elprofe> hi people
[12:37] <elprofe> i cant browse in firefox flash pages from a user of my linux system, but yes from another users
[12:37] <elprofe> any body can helpme?
[12:45] <asac> elprofe: hardy?
[12:47] <elprofe> I dont understand asac
[12:48] <asac> what ubuntu version are you running
[12:49] <asac> Ubulette_: the UI of branch listing in launchpad has been changed. maybe we should consider to use the APPNAME. prefix from all branches again
[12:49] <elprofe> gutsy, asac
[12:50] <asac> elprofe: don't install things from adobe, but use flashplugin-nonfree package from ubuntu instead. then look in the user directory: "$HOME/.mozilla/plugins/" and remove anything "flash" related from there
[12:50] <asac> if that doesn't help => #ubuntu
[12:50] <asac> or ask on ubuntuforums.org or on answers.launchpad.net
[12:52] <elprofe> I can browse with another users in same machine
[12:52] <elprofe> but in this new user, i cant do it
[12:57] <asac> yes, do what i said
[13:44] <Ubulette_> hi
[13:48] <asac> hi Ubulette
[13:48] <Ubulette> thanks for the news about John
[14:08] <asac> Ubulette: ok i enabled the lp-locale-export.mk helper in mozilla-devscripts and inserted a stub to README.
[14:09] <asac> final documention will follow once initial issues are flashed out
[14:10] <asac> http://www.chevrel.org/fr/carnet/index.php?2008/02/28/696-ubuntu-breakpad-firefox-3#co
[14:10] <asac> Ubulette: can you translate that?
[14:11] <Ubulette> which part ?
[14:11] <asac> is there any valid point in there?
[14:11] <asac> in text + comments ... i don't want a translation, just if there is anything in that matters
[14:11] <asac> a guy pasted that through pmsg to me
[14:12] <Ubulette> they are talking about breakpad not able to send crash report to mozilla
[14:12] <asac> do we support that at all?
[14:12] <Ubulette> nope
[14:12] <Ubulette> we disable breakpad
[14:12] <asac> ok then don't bother i guess ;)
[14:13] <asac> its just crash submission what we are disabling? or are there other features that users still might want to use?
[14:28] <Ubulette> we use --disable-crashreporter = Disable breakpad crash reporting
[14:36] <Ubulette> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20080229
[14:44] <Ubulette> asac, yep, that was mac only: http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2008/02/29/browsers-and-commoditization/
[14:55] <asac> damn thing ... lp bzr+ssh push is broken somewhat
[14:56] <Ubulette> worked for me 30min ago
[14:56] <asac> yeah for me too
[14:56] <asac> now it doesn't :(
[14:56] <asac> bzr push --create-prefix bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/gnash/ubuntu.0.8.2
[14:57] <asac> that doesn't work
[14:57] <asac> is there a typo or something?
[14:57] <asac> Ubulette: did you look how the branch name looks like on launchpad now?
[14:57] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gnash/+branches
[15:01] <Ubulette> ugly
[15:01] <asac> well ... you complained about missing project context :)
[15:02] <asac> now we have ~USER + project + name
[15:05] <jetsaredim> so i need a new engimail package for the new tb release?
[15:06] <Ubulette> asac, I prefer https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox
[15:06] <Ubulette> except that "Recent revisions" lists old branches
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: you need?
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: for it worked
[15:09] <jetsaredim> it workie
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: i didn't do lots of QA on hardy, but its the same version as we have in gutsy - and that i QAed
[15:10] <jetsaredim> yea
[15:10] <jetsaredim> i'm planning on upgrading my machine tonight or tomorrow
[15:10] <asac> ok
[15:11] <asac> Ubulette: well ... you now prefer, because we fixed the branch name due to the missing project context :)
[15:11] <asac> we have firefox. in everywhere now
[15:11] <asac> but that was more a fix than a feature i guess
[15:11] <asac> but its still ok for now
[15:12] <asac> Ubulette: can you test on some branch if you can still push a revision?
[15:15] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/mozclient.dev$ bzr pull
[15:15] <Ubulette> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:15] <Ubulette> nada
[15:15] <asac> ok
[15:15] <asac> thanks
[15:17] <Ubulette> hmm, ff3 is no longer able to detect the proper app to view a pdf
[15:18] <Ubulette> Open With is empty
[15:18] <armin76> you broke it
[15:18] <Ubulette> but the type is correct
[15:18] <Ubulette> I didn't touch that
[15:21] <Ubulette> hm, i have nothing registered for pdf in the prefs
[15:21] <asac> in gnome?
[15:22] <Ubulette> no, ff3 prefs / Applications
[15:22] <Ubulette> in gnome, it works fine
[15:24] <Ubulette> try: http://www.ladefense.fr/publications_esplanade.php and click on "Télécharger ce numéro"
[15:24] <Ubulette> (just below the flash viewer)
[15:25] <asac> suggests Document Viewer here
[15:25] <asac> but i think there were some gnome upgrades  and i should restart X
[15:25] <asac> let me try
[15:27] <Ubulette> i like that flash viewer, funny what you can do with pages :)
[15:27] <asac> i have gnash ;)
[15:27] <asac> but works great
[15:27] <asac> (at least the not yet released 0.8.2)
[15:28] <asac> still Document Viewer
[15:28] <Ubulette> hm
[15:28] <asac> so either you trashed your settings somehow
[15:28] <asac> or its beta4
[15:28] <asac> or do you run gnome head?
[15:29] <asac> (self built)?
[15:29] <Ubulette> not at the moment.
[15:42] <Ubulette> asac, <poolie> bazaar.launchpad.net is down; it's being addressed urgently
[15:44] <asac> yep ... i prodded them too
[15:50] <asac> ok fixed
[16:31] <armin76> nspr and nss doesn't respect LDFLAGS :(
[16:31] <armin76> asac: fix!
[17:37] <Ubulette> asac, i've replied to the breakpad thing
[17:37] <asac> thanks
[17:37] <asac> armin76: i can live with that
[17:38] <Ubulette> i've explained we prefer bug reports on lp, preferably using ubufox, rather than breakpad
[18:18] <Ubulette> asac, bazaar broken here
[18:18] <asac> still? works for me
[18:19] <asac> Ubulette: thats a good answer ;)
[18:19] <Ubulette> it did but just now, it's dead
[18:23] <Ubulette> asac, [15:36] <Ubulette> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20080229
[18:23] <Ubulette> not sure you go that
[18:23] <Ubulette> got
[18:26] <asac> hmm ... posted a comment and told them to come here if they want to do it in a real environment
[18:26] <asac> last time i looked they did it completely wrong :)
[18:26] <asac> well ... appeared like they did it for some archaic pre alpha xul
[18:37] <Greenery> you guys have tested firefox pgo for linux?
[18:53] <asac> no
[18:53] <asac> why would we want that?
[18:53] <asac> its only useful if you want to optimize specific use-cases
[18:54] <Greenery> i just read that they gonna push firefox pgo for linux soon
[18:54] <Greenery> mozilla Bug 418866
[18:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418866 in Build & Release "turn on profile-guided optimization on fx-linux-tbox" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418866
[19:02] <[reed]> not for b4
[19:02] <Ubulette> what is that? the patch mentions tinderbox only
[19:03] <Greenery> it's going to be pushed for b4 i think
[19:03] <[reed]> profile-guided optimization
[19:03] <[reed]> Greenery: it's not
[19:04] <[reed]> only for Windows
[19:04] <asac> folks ... please add some random comment to: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnash/+bug/197061
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197061 in gnash "test bug for gnash-dev email" [Low,Fix committed]
[19:04] <asac> we need to test something ;)
[19:04] <Ubulette> i don't use gnash
[19:04] <asac> Ubulette: it doesnt matter
[19:04] <asac> just post "HAllo"
[19:04] <asac> thanks ;)
[19:05] <Ubulette> done
[19:06] <asac> thanks
[19:08] <asac> i hate dch
[19:09] <Ubulette> don't use it ;)
[19:09] <asac> if i provide a comment at command line it should not refuse to safe if i didn't edit :(/
[19:09] <asac> well ... why reinvent the well ... how do you create automatic changelog entrie?
[19:09] <asac> manually?
[19:10] <Ubulette> most of the time yes, now I have scripted all that.
[19:10] <asac> yeah ... but dch already does that ... it should just not die if don't change the temp file :)
[19:10] <Ubulette> fix it :)
[19:13] <asac> i think ill construct on my own :(
[19:15] <Ubulette> it's quite trivial
[19:16] <Ubulette> here are the scripts I use to update the package and push to my ppa
[19:16] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/update-pkg.sh.txt
[19:16] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sync-ppa.pl.txt
[19:16] <Ubulette> dirty but efficient
[19:17] <asac> lets see
[19:17] <asac> i do it even dirtier now :)
[19:36] <asac> Ubulette: can you send another comment to the bug above?
[19:38] <Ubulette> done
[19:38] <asac> gratias
[20:03] <asac> bug 194486
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194486 in firefox-3.0 "printing in Firefox 3 Beta 3 is broken" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194486
[20:07] <Ubulette> asac, the blog in french is not talking about our builds, it's about ubuntu running nightlies
[20:48] <Ubulette> damn, sm2 needs nss HEAD since mozilla bug 403563 landed
[20:49] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403563 in Libraries "Implement the TLS session ticket extension (STE)" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403563
[20:49] <Ubulette> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/349394
[20:50] <Ubulette> strangely, xul doesn't fail there
[21:09] <Ubulette> cairo 1.5.12 is out
[21:10] <Ubulette> "This snapshot includes the long-awaited change from 16.16 to 24.8 fixed-point values"
[21:10] <Ubulette> http://cairographics.org//news/cairo-1.5.12/
[22:11] <armin76> Ubulette: it uses 24.8 now
[22:11] <armin76> rofl
[22:11] <armin76> sorry, didn't read :D
[22:51] <Ubulette> armin76, i've patched it already: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[22:53] <Ubulette> i meant, packaged it