[00:37] <VIA> hi all
[00:38] <VIA> my sound just magically died .. im getting nada on any output i have no clue what happened
[00:38] <VIA> am i right asking here or is another channel better for this issue
[00:38] <enigma9o7[m]> This is the best place in the world.
[00:38] <enigma9o7[m]> But you will have to describe, as we cannot sense the magic.
[00:39] <VIA> i did, precisely
[00:39] <VIA> i have different outputs i use. everythign is on nothing mute i chcked and tried all
[00:40] <VIA> was starting a tutorial video on youtube and ... no sound
[00:40] <Bashing-om> !sound | VIA
[00:41] <VIA> no sound coming out of mainboard chipset, no sound via hdmi on monitor speakers, no sound on headphones soundcard, no sound on usb soundcard
[00:42] <VIA> nothing is muted, i didnt touch a thing
[00:56] <VIA> only on linux .. too much fun to be fun
[00:56] <VIA> after intense research and troublshooting on my own ... once i get myself to bother others about the issue
[00:57] <VIA> the problems disappears *poof* just like it appeared in the first place .. by doing nothing oO
[01:48] <blaster> how do I remove a binary and remove all the relics of it throughout the system, if I have a binary in /usr/local/bin, if I just delete that, surely theres a bunch of other files somewhere that should be removed aswell?
[01:49] <blaster> it's not managed by aptitude either
[01:53] <Bashing-om> blaster: dpkg got a handle on it - ' ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/<your_package>.list ' ?
[01:55] <blaster> No unfortunately, I think I got rid of it though.  There was a dot directory in my home directory containing most of the configuration files, so I just removed the binary.
[01:55] <blaster> And the dot directory.
[01:57] <Bashing-om> blaster: :D
[02:00] <EriC^> blaster: it really depends on the installation of the package, if it came with some sort of uninstall
[02:00] <EriC^> since it's a custom one and not one of the repo packages
[02:01] <Nik00117> I have a logitech G910 keyboard with G keys, anyone know how I can make those keys functional? Is there a way to bind those keys to certain tasks?
[02:12] <matsaman> Nik00117: g keys?
[02:12] <Nik00117> yes
[02:13] <matsaman> Nik00117: what does 'xev' say about them?
[02:13] <matsaman> what does your window manager's key mapper say about them?
[02:13] <matsaman> what does solaar say about them?
[02:14] <Nik00117> thats stuff I have to install?
[02:15] <EriC^> no you should have 'xev' installed already, just type it into the terminal then press the keys to see what it says
[02:17] <Nik00117> i used the g keys after typing xev and got this: ^[[15~^[OS^[OR^[OQ^[OP^[[15~x
[02:17] <EriC^> did you press enter after 'xev' ?
[02:17] <Nik00117> yes
[02:17] <jhutchins> Those would be key codes.
[02:17] <matsaman> that sounds pretty weird, but if it's sending anything at all, then they work as keys, so you can map them
[02:18] <matsaman> most likely your window manager will map them right now
[02:20] <Nik00117> nope don't let me
[02:20] <Nik00117> i'll play with this later
[02:21] <matsaman> check out solaar first
[02:21] <matsaman> if your window manager isn't getting them
[02:24] <Nik00117> ah solaar won't work cause its not wireless
[02:29] <jhutchins> Wired or wireless, keyboards send the same codes.
[02:31] <jhutchins> Is there any support available for older versions of Ubuntu, or is it strictly upgrade/buy new hardware?
[02:32] <matsaman> jhutchins: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[02:32] <matsaman> if you want support for a version that is EOL, you will probably have to find someone / pay for it
[02:33] <matsaman> you can get support here as long as you don't tell anybody you're using an unsupported version and they don't figure it out themselves =)
[02:33] <matsaman> that is: as long as it truly doesn't matter
[02:33] <matsaman> which probably won't be the case, but <shrug>
[02:37] <jhutchins> Yeah, "doesn't matter" doesn't seem to apply here, "don't get caught" sometimes works.
[02:53] <publicdomain> hello any one there?
[02:54] <matsaman> yerp
[02:55] <publicdomain> Hello
[02:57] <publicdomain> say something if you are a human
[02:57] <publicdomain> Are you a live?
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> !ask | publicdomain
[06:03] <humanBird> how do i get rid of snap docker?
[06:03] <humanBird> i sudo snap stop docker
[06:03] <humanBird> sudo snap remove docker and now it's hung at Save data of snap "docker" in automatic snapshot set #2
[06:03] <humanBird> this docker crap has cost me more than 2 weeks of personal time
[06:03] <humanBird> and snap i want to also remove
[06:03] <humanBird> snap packages are mostly garbage and buggy
[06:12] <humanBird> i will never follow "pleas install via sudo snap "whatever bullcrap instruction that is.  it's ridiculous that ubuntu allows crap software to be installed on users os.
[06:24] <humanBird> sudo apt-add-repository "deb http://apt.kubernetes.io/ kubernetes-xenial main"  now i'm doubting any sort of install instructions.  Is this the correct kubernetes repository?
[08:11] <blaster> I plugged in a backup drive that had some data on it, and it appears to be completely empty.  What could have happened?
[10:28] <Elliria> Hey there, does anyone know what the current version of Python3 is in the most recent LTS of Ubuntu?
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> Elliria: 20.04 or 22.04?
[10:32] <ravage> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/python3
[10:33] <Elliria> Thank you, both. It was for 20.04 and that link gave me the version. Now I just need to upgrade so I can use it.
[10:40] <thyriaen> i have no thumbnail previews in my gnome files - how can i enable them ? please note that the option is enabled in gnome-files settings menu for "all files"
[10:47] <xu-irc92w> report!
[10:48] <xu-irc92w> help applications lost black backgroud after upgrade
[10:50] <xu-irc92w> also disk utils wont ask admin permit
[10:50] <xu-irc92w> plz help
[10:59] <arkanoid> once I've connected an smb share via gnome, how can I shell into it? I need to run md5sum on a file
[10:59] <arkanoid> is it mounted somewhere?
[11:00] <ogra> likely under /run/user/1000/gvfs
[11:00] <EriC^> arkanoid: try browsing to the dir, right click -> open in terminal
[11:00] <ogra> (or whatever is your UID)
[11:00] <xu-irc92w> can anyone help
[11:01] <arkanoid> EriC^: thanks! It was mounted somewhere in /run/user
[11:01] <EriC^> arkanoid: no problem
[11:01] <ogra> xu-irc92w, the disk tool will only ask for admin permission if it actually needs it for some action
[11:02] <thyriaen> No advice for my missing thumbnail problem ? ;p
[11:02] <xu-irc92w> ok but it lost the black backgroud after upgrade
[11:02] <ogra> thyriaen, did it work before at some point ? then i'd wipe the cache by removing all contents of ~/.thumbnails
[11:02] <xu-irc92w> idk how to fix
[11:03] <ogra> well, hang would here and be patient, perhaps someone who knows joins eventually ...
[11:03] <ogra> *hang around here
[11:03] <thyriaen> ogra, i did clear the thumbnails - i don't think it worked before - i am not sure - i have the same identical system installed on another machine and it works there ;p
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: did you try my yesterdays advice, aka dconf-editor?
[11:04] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, my internet crashed yesterday and i did not see any answers sadly
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> any tweaks on your system, try see if you can find the dconf value there
[11:05] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, any idea where to find it ?
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: dconf has a nice search function now, try 'thumbnails'
[11:06] <thyriaen> gnome-files is nautilus, right ?
[11:06] <thyriaen> org.gnome.nautilus.preferences is set to always
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> thyriaen: mine shows local-only
[11:16] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, i tried both :p
[11:17] <thyriaen> lotuspsychje, on my other machine it also didn't work but then i did "something" to fix it
[12:19] <hottifant> hi all
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> welcome hottifant
[14:42] <lblume> 'afternoon channel
[14:44] <confuzeus> afternoon, god of world time
[14:45] <lblume> I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on a Proliant DL380p Gen8. There was no noticeable issue. When I tried the HWE kernel, 5.13, it started misbehaving: the keyboard input on the ILO console becomes horribly slow, about one char / second appears.
[14:46] <ogra> lblume, why did you switch to hwe ? do you need it to enable some HW that is unsupported in the generic kernel ?
[14:48] <lblume> ogra: As a test, mainly.
[14:49] <ogra> lblume, then i'd switch back to generic and report it on launchpad so it can be researched ... perhaps also ask in #ubuntu-kernel where the kernel guys hang out
[14:56] <leftyfb> though, "keyboard on the ILO console"   that is completely out of band from the OS. The kernel running on the OS should have no affect on that
[15:04] <jhutchins> Would this be an ILO instance that runs in parallel to a booted OS, or the kind that is an alternative to a normal boot/
[15:04] <jhutchins> ?
[15:04] <leftyfb> ILO is built into the server hardware, out of band from the OS
[15:10] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Yes, but if it's running in the background of the OS, they can still be sharing hardware, and hence load sharing.
[15:11] <lblume> leftyfb: I'm not in front of the server, so I don't know if it's the same being directly there. My guess is that it is.
[15:11] <jhutchins> It was a bad idea, I'm not sure you'd still find it alive in datacenters, but it was there.
[15:11] <lblume> jhutchins: The ILO has its own CPU and NIC, it's not sharing anything with the OS
[15:11] <leftyfb> jhutchins: BMC's run completely out of band of the OS. Separate from all of the hardware save for the network if it's shared.
[15:11] <jhutchins> One of the alternatives was OS native software that could access the ILO hardware & storage.
[15:13] <leftyfb> jhutchins: that's a client, not the ILO service running on their own hardware
[15:13] <jhutchins> leftyfb: Duh.
[15:13] <lblume> ogra: I'll try to fetch more data and report there, thanks. At some point, the input got wholly stuck with a weird error message shown, I was in a hurry and did not screenshot, should have
[15:13] <leftyfb> jhutchins: with iDrac, it's a completely different card, basically it's own mini-computer plugged into the server
[15:14] <leftyfb> lblume: a good test would be to turn off the server and use the ILO to move through the BIOS settings and see the response
[15:15] <jhutchins> Let's see, if they're both running at the same time, they're sharing the same keyboard.
[15:16] <jhutchins> What were we having possible conflicts with?  Oh yeah, keyboard input.
[15:17] <lblume> leftyfb: Oh, the issue was only when running kernel 5.13, there's no issue in the BIOS or grub
[15:18] <leftyfb> jhutchins: the ILO console is out of band. As in, from a different computer over the network. The keyboard in this case is keyboard input from the remote computer, over the network, over the virtual console running within the completely out of band (mini-computer) having nothing to do with a keyboard plugged into the physical server
[15:19] <lblume> jhutchins: When starting the remote console, the ILO hardware connects a virtual USB keyboard to the server, which is detected and connected by the OS as any USB keyboard would be
[15:20] <leftyfb> lblume: I would also see how a local keyboard performs on the tty
[15:22] <lblume> I agree, I won't be able to check that for a few weeks though.
[15:22] <lblume> I got the console hanged again, got the error this time:
[15:22] <lblume> [ 4085.792752] DMAR: DRHD: handling fault status reg 102
[15:22] <lblume> [ 4085.792819] DMAR: [INTR-REMAP] Request device [01:00.0] fault index 1e [fault reason 38] Blocked an interrupt request due to source-id verification failure
[15:25] <leftyfb> lblume: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/updated-to-ve-7-0-no-web-gui-dmar-errors-on-console.92022/
[15:25] <jhutchins> lblume: Did I miss the reason for switching kernels in the first place?
[15:26] <leftyfb> lblume: looks like some people might have luck with "intel_iommu=on" as a kernel parameter
[15:26] <leftyfb> lblume: and intremap=off"
[15:28] <lblume> leftyfb: Hah, the web GUI bit threw me off on this
[15:47] <lblume> leftyfb: Well, I confirm that does the trick, thanks! I should have read a bit more than the title on this page when I hit it, I was tired :)
[15:50] <jhutchins> So the kernel is interacting with the ILO after all.  Hmmm.
[15:52] <lblume> No, it really still isn't.
[15:53] <lblume> It's interacting with a virtual USB keyboard.
[16:06] <jjakob> this is an apt-get question: why is dist-upgrade not upgrading a package that has a newer version and is not held (checked with apt-mark showhold)? https://termbin.com/f4v5
[16:07] <leftyfb> jjakob: what if you just run: sudo apt install cciss-vol-status
[16:07] <jjakob> cciss-vol-status is already the newest version (1:1.10-1hwraid1).
[16:09] <jjakob> sources.list entry for it doesn't specify anything special like a priority either
[16:17] <rfm> jjakob, the installed package has epoch 1 and the abak.si one has epoch 0 (default).  epoch is the part before the colon, and trumps everything else
[16:20] <jhutchins> jjakob: Do you have any third party/unofficial sources?
[16:23] <imnogomena> is this a channel where i can get help?
[16:23] <enigma9o7[m]> Absolutely.
[16:24] <jjakob> rfm: and how can I change that
[16:25] <imnogomena> i'm trying to install ungoogled chromium and get the following message: https://paste.debian.net/1235139/
[16:25] <jjakob> jhutchins: I have my own go-apt-cacher (which is for the main ubuntu repos in sources.list) and then the hwraid.le-vert.net for those extra ones
[16:25] <imnogomena> i used Software and it installed Ungoogled Chromium flatpack but won't run from the start menu
[16:27] <jjakob> oh so it seems like the installed version with epoch 1 (which was installed in xenial from the hwraid.le-vert.net repo) is a higher version than the one from official ubuntu repo?
[16:28] <jjakob> but that repo doesn't provide a 1.12 version for focal, but the installed version from xenial is still preventing the official repo version from installing
[16:28] <jjakob> so a uninstall and then install should probably work
[16:28] <hans> is ubuntu.com down for you guys? i just get 503 Service Unavailable No server is available to handle this request.
[16:29] <jjakob> or a install with the version specified
[16:29] <leftyfb> jjakob: sudo apt install cciss-vol-status=1.12-2
[16:29] <rfm> jjakob, yes.  and I'd remove the le-vert.net repo from sources.list to keep it from coming back in the next upgrade...
[16:29] <jjakob> leftyfb: yes I just did that and it worked :)
[16:29] <leftyfb> hans: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.com
[16:30] <jjakob> rfm: I need that repo for other packages, it just doesn't provide some packages that it used to for xenial
[16:30] <hans> leftyfb: it's not down in  a way that downforeveryone would pick up on, i'm getting a http response
[16:30] <jjakob> but it still has some other ones for focal
[16:30] <hans> nvm ubuntu.com is up again now
[16:31] <leftyfb> jjakob: you're prettymuch on your own with 3rd party repo's
[16:32] <ioria> imnogomena, are you using Wayland ? or X11 ?
[16:32] <jjakob> yeah I know
[16:32] <imnogomena> ioria, sorry i don't even know how to answer that question
[16:32] <imnogomena> i went to the menu, selected Software
[16:32] <ioria> imnogomena, echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:33] <imnogomena> and entered the sofware name i was looking for
[16:33] <ioria> imnogomena, run in terminal : 'echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE'
[16:33] <leftyfb> imnogomena: the ungoogled flatpack is not in the software store
[16:34] <imnogomena> x11
[16:34] <ioria> you can enable the flatpak plugin, iirc
[16:36] <imnogomena> leftyfb, i don't have a comment about that. i only clicked on install once it showed up as available
[16:38] <imnogomena> ioria, idk now to do that
[16:38] <imnogomena> *how
[16:39] <ogra> imnogomena, which ubuntu release is that ?
[16:39] <imnogomena> 20.3
[16:39] <ogra> 20.3 ?
[16:40] <ogra> do you mean 20.04 ? (since there does not exist anything like a 20.3 release of ubuntu)
[16:40] <ioria> imnogomena, just to be sure , paste   :  'dpkg -l | grep flatpak | nc termbin.com 9999'
[16:40] <ogra> imnogomena, that sounds like you are using mint and not ubuntu
[16:41] <ogra> (which we can not really support here)
[16:41] <imnogomena> https://termbin.com/my29
[16:41] <leftyfb> ioria: "you can enable the flatpak plugin, iirc"   what do you mean by this? flatpak's aren't available in ubuntu or AFAIK, any app you can install through ubuntu official repo's. They would have had to install the flatpak though other, non-official means
[16:41] <imnogomena> ah ok,.. I didn't know
[16:41] <imnogomena> sorry
[16:41] <ogra> !mint | imnogomena
[16:42] <ogra> there is a link to a min channel in the bot reply 🙂
[16:42] <ioria> imnogomena, yes , flatpak is installed, but you don't have the plugin ...
[16:42] <imnogomena> plugin?
[16:42] <imnogomena> sorry could you explain a little?
[16:42] <leftyfb> imnogomena: are you running Linux Mint?
[16:42] <imnogomena> yes,.. as i said earlier i made a mistake
[16:43] <ioria> imnogomena, gnome-software-plugin-flatpak
[16:43] <imnogomena> i should have gone to mint help
[16:43] <leftyfb> imnogomena: ok, please seek support from Mint. We cannot support Mint here
[16:43] <imnogomena> ok
[16:43] <leftyfb> imnogomena: good luck
[16:43] <ogra> yes, they pre-install different things (like flatpak) in different ways ... so it is hard to help with this here
[16:44] <ioria> imnogomena, ah, mint, i see; anyway, you can't use software-center with flatpak without the plugin
[16:57] <imnogomena> hey guys could i ask a different kind of question?
[16:58] <imnogomena> not entirely os related
[16:58] <ioria> if you promise to install ubuntu, yes
[16:59] <imnogomena> lol,... i just wanted to know what kind of note taking app you use on ubuntu
[16:59] <imnogomena> i applicable
[16:59] <imnogomena> *if
[17:01] <leftyfb> imnogomena: try #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions on software in ubuntu (not Mint)
[17:01] <jjakob> I can't find where cciss-vol-status is packaged for Focal on Launchpad
[17:02] <jjakob> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cciss-vol-status/+branches doesn't have a Focal release
[17:02] <jjakob> neither does https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/cciss-vol-status/+publishinghistory but it does have the version avaliable for focal (1.12-2)
[17:02] <leftyfb> jjakob: sudo apt install cciss-vol-status   # itis 'in the universe repo
[17:03] <jjakob> yes but I'm trying to look at the source and maybe report a bug
[17:03] <jjakob> it's installing into /usr/bin but the init.d script is looking for it in /usr/sbin
[17:03] <leftyfb> jjakob: apt source cciss-vol-status
[17:04] <leftyfb> jjakob: there's usually a link in /usr/bin or /bin to the other
[17:04] <jjakob> so not all packages provided by the ubuntu repos have a launchpad page?
[17:05] <jjakob> yeah, the package should have installed that symlink, or just put it into /usr/sbin, so that's a bug IMO
[17:05] <jjakob> just need to look if the upstream makefile has that bug or if the packaging is at fault
[17:05] <leftyfb> jjakob: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cciss-vol-status/+bugs
[17:06] <leftyfb> jjakob: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cciss-vol-status
[17:06] <jjakob> leftyfb: thanks. search did not find that page, at least not on the first 2 result pages
[17:13] <jjakob> that is weird, the sources do not have a cciss-vol-statusd init.d script, but dpkg -L shows that /etc/init.d/cciss-vol-statusd is provided by cciss-vol-status
[17:13] <jjakob> is it possible that it's from the old version?
[17:15] <jjakob> even grep -r statusd doesn't show anything in the sources, so it's surely not there - but dpkg -L says it is from that package
[17:17] <ioria> jjakob, https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/cciss-vol-status/filelist
[17:18] <jjakob> yep I checked that (tar -tf cciss-vol-status_1.12-2.debian.tar.xz), so it's left over from the old package version and dpkg -L is lying
[17:18] <jjakob> or, well, not lying, but misleading
[17:28] <webchat24> I'm trying to do x11 forwarding into my ubuntu-server, but i'm not getting a $DISPLAY env var. I installed lightdm. What am I missing?
[17:42] <tga> hello, just curious, does anyone actually like gnome?
[17:44] <leftyfb> !chat | tga
[17:44] <tga> oh ok
[17:44] <tga> hello, can anyone help me like gnome?
[17:45] <Chunkyz> No.
[17:45] <leftyfb> tga: trolling is offtopic here.
[17:45]  * tga sighs
[17:46] <webchat24> what's the proper way to run a remote application like firefox on my ubuntu-server? what do I need to install to get it to work? I've installed xquarts on my mac and that seems to be working.
[17:49] <matsaman> webchat24: you want it to run on the remote, or run on the remote and be seen on your macOS?
[17:50] <webchat24> run firefox on the remove ubuntu-server and then use it on my macOS.
[17:50] <webchat24> lightdm _seems_ to be running, I think, on ubuntu-server, but there's no $DISPLAY var when I ssh in.
[17:51] <matsaman> right
[17:51] <matsaman> you can use DISPLAY and run commands and use ssh X forwarding, but
[17:51] <matsaman> you might have a better time if you use VNC
[17:52] <leftyfb> webchat24: why not just use the remote server as a proxy?
[17:53] <webchat24> yeah maybe proxy is better. what do i apt install for that?
[17:54] <leftyfb> webchat24: you can do it without installing anything on the server. https://ma.ttias.be/socks-proxy-linux-ssh-bypass-content-filters/
[17:54] <matsaman> is that what you're trying to do, have your traffic move through the Ubuntu?
[17:54] <webchat24> yeah
[17:55] <webchat24> woah. SOCKS5 is built into ssh? mind-blown.
[17:55] <tga> yeah, that's your -D
[17:59] <webchat24> hah. it worked. had to solve a gazillion captchas but it seems to be working. super easy. thanks!
[18:59] <zen_coder> how can I check whether two libraries are identical?
[19:00] <enigma9o7[m]> diff?
[19:07] <rfm> cmp might be better than diff for binaries
[19:17] <TheLinuxNerd> ubuntu livepatched to newer kernel and NVIDIA proprietary stopped working\
[19:17] <TheLinuxNerd> now I gotta dist-upgrade ... :-D
[19:23] <TheLinuxNerd> okay, fixed, by dist-upgrade & reboot
[19:31] <Authentix> hi
[20:31] <jhutchins> Sometimes they force changes even though they don't work for everybody so they can flush out the failures.
[20:53] <jhutchins> weather.com
[21:35] <Sven_vB> hi :) I have an Ubuntu focal that has a high system load and reacts slowly to input, even though its CPUs are mostly idle, it has at least 200 MB free RAM, and iotop reports at most about 40 MB/s disk write, and about 15 MB/s disk read. what else should I check?
[21:38] <sarnold> 200 megs "free" isn't necessarily good nor bad; it's probably more useful to look at the output of free -h or free -g as a whole, and also look at the output of 'vmstat 1' for a little while
[21:39] <Sven_vB> will do, thanks!
[21:39] <dubiousness> Sven_vB: when you say 40MB/s what are we talking? Modern SSD or spinning ?
[21:40] <jhutchins> iowait
[21:40] <Sven_vB> oh I see, -g is just gigabytes and -h human. I had free -m; +/- caches there was even about 1 GB free.
[21:40] <Sven_vB> dubiousness, magnetic, about 10 years old
[21:40] <Sven_vB> and spinning yes
[21:41] <Sven_vB> jhutchins, I'll try and find that, thanks!
[21:41] <jhutchins> Sven_vB: You say it has a "high load", but your stats don't say that.
[21:43] <dubiousness> Sven_vB: USE, is this a recent thing? Has it been a gradual change? Can you clarify 'reacts slowly'?
[21:43] <Sven_vB> the load numbers in htop say 6 to 8, and I only have 4 CPUs. iirc the load numbers should be at most the number of CPUs.
[21:45] <sarnold> it depends what your system is doing
[21:45] <sarnold> a bunch of processes waiting for disk IO will show up in the load average
[21:45] <sarnold> a faster disk might help that
[21:45] <dubiousness> yeah what sarnold said, can you stop the process doing 40MB/s and see if it magically stops?
[21:46] <dubiousness> 40MB/s for a sub-par HDD is probably on the edge of clunky
[21:46] <Sven_vB> dubiousness, "reacts slowly" as in, typing a key into a local terminal with a local shell can suddenly take about 5 seconds for a character to appear. after half a minute or so, it goes back to nearly instant feedback, then soon it becomes slow again.
[21:46] <dubiousness> And if the disk is very full you will start to see odd issues too.
[21:46] <Sven_vB> or switching to another window has the screen show an intermediate state for a few seconds
[21:47] <sarnold> that behaviour sounds a lot like a system that's swapping way too much on a disk that's far too slow
[21:47] <Sven_vB> I don't use a swap
[21:47] <sarnold> fix that
[21:49] <Sven_vB> what benefit would I have from a swap, rather than more RAM? (or using less if you're saying I have too few free)
[21:50] <dubiousness> I don't necessarily agree fully with sarnold, as there are valid use cases for disabling swap, but there are certain applications which behave... weirdly, if there's no swap (Xonotic springs to mind)
[21:51] <dubiousness> Are you able to stop the heavy-write process Sven_vB?
[21:51] <Sven_vB> what kinds of "weirdly"?
[21:51] <Sven_vB> intuitively, writing RAM to a slow disk seems to only make stuff slowert
[21:51] <Sven_vB> -t
[21:52] <Sven_vB> dubiousness, I'll try and see which process is the heavy writer
[21:53] <sarnold> Sven_vB: having enough swap space for the kernel to push data that isn't used very often is a fantastic way to get more performance out of a machine that isn't powerful enough for the task at hand
[21:53] <sarnold> Sven_vB, you may find this useful https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
[21:54] <Sven_vB> sarnold, thanks!
[21:56] <Sven_vB> meanwhile my random gut feeling it might have been apache, seems to have proven true. it didn't show up high in iotop, but maybe it had a gazillion low-intensity tasks. I stopped it earlier and now load is below 20%
[21:58] <soloslinger> What in gawd's holy name does it take to get python3 requests installed in an ubuntu container?!
[21:59] <dubiousness> Sven_vB: Apache is very tunable, I'd spend some time looking at sar and taking a quick look at B Greggs USE blog post if you haven't seen it yet
[21:59] <Sven_vB> soloslinger, does it ship with install instructions?
[21:59] <Sven_vB> dubiousness, thanks, I'll have a look.
[22:02] <Sven_vB> dubiousness, the blog post about USE = Utilization Saturation and Errors?
[22:03] <sarnold> Sven_vB: yeah that's the one
[22:03] <dubiousness> Sven_vB: that's the one, sorry, I meant it was a good one for troubleshooting in general (not Apache specific)
[22:03] <sarnold> everything on his website is well worth reading :)
[22:03] <dubiousness> ++
[22:03] <betuxy> hey guys, if  only some mount options are given, is the rest still on default?
[22:05] <Sven_vB> I see now, sarnold's point about not using swap probably is the one about the kernel having to flush file buffers more often in order to reclaim RAM.
[22:06] <Sven_vB> so if I want to stay with no swap, I should probably utilize less RAM in average then.
[22:06] <sarnold> yeah, eg it might need to get rid of 'bash' in order to keep storing some graphics that your browser never cleaned up, etc
[22:06] <Sven_vB> (or put in more RAM total)
[22:06] <dubiousness> There's a lot to be said for setting up a small server, then picking something (like a web server) and twiddling it to see how far you can push it with limited resources. You'll learn a lot.
[22:06] <Sven_vB> that phenomenon would easily explain why it happened to apache.
[22:06] <sarnold> also very helpful :)
[22:08] <Sven_vB> the proper solution in my case would probably be to replace certain ancient CGIs with a proper event-based server instead.
[22:09] <sarnold> hah that'd be a good step forward, indeed :)
[22:17] <craigbass76> I have a webcam plugged in. Is there any kind of command I can run to see what the resolution is?
[22:18] <craigbass76> lsusb isn't showing anything
[22:18] <Sven_vB> craigbass76, I use guvcview for that
[22:19] <jhutchins> Sven_vB: There are some good web pages on tuning apache, and a couple of good tuner scripts that will give you a real head start.
[22:19] <Sven_vB> craigbass76, for CLI, maybe fswebcam can help
[22:19] <jhutchins> Tip: Do not configure Apache to use 900% of your ram.
[22:22] <craigbass76> Sven_vB, guvcview... Is that just available via snap? I'm on ubuntustudio, but I think it's 18.04 (can't confirm though -- I forget uname -a doesn't tell you that)
[22:22] <Sven_vB> I think it's a regular traditional package
[22:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> craigbass76: lsb_release -a
[22:23] <Sven_vB> I might have it from a PPA though
[22:23] <craigbass76> Aha, it is 18.04
[22:23] <Sven_vB> craigbass76, to check which Ubuntu you're on, lsb_release -a
[22:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> 18.04 of Ubuntu Studio is LONG EOL.
[22:26] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer[m], I figured. This one just sits in the basement as a file server. I own a lumber yard now, so very rarely get to play music. I'm not a big fan of XFCE anymore anyway, so I'll probably reinstall sometime in the next few months and throw MATE on. I cut my teeth on GNOME2, and miss it.
[22:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> craigbass76: Last version of Ubuntu Studio to use xfce was 20.04, starting with 20.10 it moved to Plasma.
[22:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also....
[22:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer | craigbass76
[22:30] <craigbass76> Eickmeyer[m], really... I'll have to stop over to their IRC and have a chat. Never seen plasma. This rig has an actual, pretty much straight out of the box, ubuntustudio install.
[22:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> craigbass76: I'm the leader of Ubuntu Studio, so don't worry about that. :)
[22:32] <craigbass76> Oh, I've probably yacked with you before then. I just don't get to play much these days.
[22:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I get that. I don't get to mix much these days. Either way, let's try to stay on-topic in this support channel. :
[22:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> :)
[23:08] <dobbicorp> which irc chan about squid caching proxy?
[23:09] <dobbicorp> #squid doesn't seem to be a correct place
[23:09] <tomreyn> !alis
[23:10] <dobbicorp> tomreyn: Returning maximum of 64 channel names matching '*squid*'    but it doesn't show any
[23:11] <tomreyn> then there will be none. do you have an ubuntu support question?
[23:24] <dobbicorp> tomreyn: yes, how do i reconfigure squid package that way so that it supports socks5
[23:24] <dobbicorp> "No changes are necessary to use Squid with socks5. Simply add the usual -Dbind=SOCKSbind etc., to the compile line and -lsocks to the link line. https://docstore.mik.ua/squid/FAQ-4.html"
[23:25] <dobbicorp> is it possible to do so without manualy compiling squid under ubuntu?
[23:26] <tomreyn> i would not know, but if the document you fund there is current and reliable then this suggests that it's not possible.
[23:27] <tomreyn> (without recompiling, relinking, unless these options are used when the ubuntu packages are built - my guess is they are not)
[23:28] <sarnold> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/585406023/buildlog_ubuntu-jammy-amd64.squid_5.2-1ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:28] <sarnold> I don't spot any 'socks' in there
[23:33] <junebug> New linux version and wifi is not fixed on hp laptops. It's been a few months now
[23:33] <tomreyn> hi junebug, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[23:34] <junebug> Yes how do I fix the wifi. Last version that works is linux 5.11.0-46-generic
[23:35] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running there? which wireless chipset?
[23:35] <junebug> How do I check this?
[23:35] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds
[23:35] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:36] <junebug> Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
[23:36] <junebug> https://termbin.com/qzhu
[23:37] <junebug> I'm currently on 5.11.9-46
[23:37] <junebug> <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:38] <tomreyn> 20.04.4 has linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 version <IP_ADDRESS>.42~20.04.22
[23:39] <tomreyn> try to bring it online by other means and install the pending upgrades
[23:39] <junebug> tomreyn, when you say install pending upgrades what do you mean?
[23:39] <tomreyn> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[23:39] <junebug> Sure. Let me try that
[23:39] <junebug> Thanks
[23:43] <dobbicorp> how do i stop squid and make it not autostart after reboot?
[23:43] <dobbicorp> well, i know how to stop ...
[23:43] <dobbicorp> how to make it not autostart
[23:43] <dobbicorp> upon reboot
[23:44] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running?
[23:44] <dobbicorp> 20.04
[23:45] <tomreyn> probably systemctl mask squid
[23:45] <tomreyn> actually just disable, not mask
[23:46] <junebug> I tried the update and full upgrade tomreyn but still no wifi
[23:46] <dobbicorp> tomreyn: thank you, systemctl disable squid seem to be worked
[23:47] <tomreyn> junebug: did you reboot? what's your kernel version now?
[23:47] <junebug> Yes I rebooted
[23:47] <tomreyn> cat /proc/version
[23:47] <junebug> 5.13.0-37-generic
[23:48] <tomreyn> so that seems current. now you'll need to inspect your system log to understand what's not working about the intel wireless
[23:49] <junebug> How do I do that?
[23:49] <tomreyn> journalctl -b
[23:49] <tomreyn> look for iwlwifi, that's the name of the intel wireless driver
[23:50] <junebug> ok
[23:50] <tomreyn> it defaults to 'less' as a viewer, where you can search for text by pressing /
[23:50] <WaV> Does Ubuntu typically support newer hardware? Thinking of getting the Intel Raptor Lake when it comes out, and Ubuntu is my preferred Linux distro.
[23:51] <tomreyn> junebug: i'll head to bed now, but keep asking your questions here - good luck.
[23:51] <ravage> !hwe | WaV
[23:51] <junebug> Thanks
[23:53] <WaV> Thanks ravage


[21:04] <hallowname> anyone know if karmic's kubuntu will be starring firefox? or just K apps?
[21:06] <hallowname> i mean the regular cd version. its sorely missed by kubuntu users. great work on jaunty btw. flawless. ;]
[21:23] <AlienX_> is there a good repo of nightly builds for pidgin by chance?
[21:28] <ikonia> AlienX_: no
[21:29] <AlienX_> ikonia: sad. It'd be nice to have gtalk working again in pidgin :-\
[21:31] <mrwes> wow...that didn't take long to make the switch over
[21:41] <wlodi> Hi lads. Do you know if there is a solution for video freezing in jaunty?
[21:43] <ikonia> wlodi: jaunty support is now in #ubuntu
[21:44] <wlodi> ikonia: sorry, whats this channel for?
[21:44] <ikonia> wlodi: /topic will give you a hint ;)
[21:44] <wlodi> ikonia: now its perfectly clear:) thx
[21:45] <ikonia> wlodi: not a problem
[22:01] <ienorand> Is there any way to actually test Karmic atm? Doesn't the lives start to pop up after the 30th?
[22:02] <ikonia> not really
[22:02] <ikonia> empty repos, and a base tool chain from what I've read
[22:03] <ienorand> nice.
[22:05] <ienorand> so I can't easily start broking for a while then... When does the daily's normally start?, is it in confunction with alpha 1 or toolchain upload?
[22:06] <ikonia> be a while yet
[22:08] <calc> ienorand: probably won't be much before alpha 1
[22:09] <kklimonda> first alpha's release is planned for 14th may..
[22:10] <calc> karmic is still frozen at the moment so really not much to test
[22:11] <ienorand> fair enuf, I should maybe stay off the crack a while now when jaunty is running reasonably well, after a niceo trip through alpha...
[22:12] <calc> i'm hoping to get OOo 3.1.0~rc2 uploaded later this week if karmic opens by then
[22:35] <BUGabundo> omg we are back to +1 !
[22:35] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: indeed :)
[22:35] <mefisto__> I want to try pulseaudio and was looking at this page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PulseAudio but it seems it might be outdated for jaunty. will the info on that page work for jaunty? or is there a jaunty-specific howto anyone knows of?
[22:35]  * BUGabundo sends out kiss and [[]]
[22:36] <BUGabundo> guess I'll need to distupgrade to KK
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i've just restarted xchat and got a nice surprise :)
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sure ;)
[22:36] <BUGabundo> who is using it already?
[22:36] <ikonia> BUGabundo: there is nothing to use
[22:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've create pbuilder chroot so far ;)
[22:37] <kklimonda> ikonia: there is a new gcc
[22:37] <kklimonda> and binutils! ;)
[22:37] <ikonia> kklimonda: but what do you use it with ?
[22:37] <kklimonda> ikonia: gcc or chroot in general?
[22:38] <mefisto__> oh is this channel now for 9.10? has jaunty been officially released?
[22:38] <kklimonda> mefisto__: ;D
[22:38] <BUGabundo> mefisto__: Yes
[22:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: can you check if UM -d will upgrade to it?
[22:40] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: nope
[22:40] <BUGabundo> other wise, I'll have to do what I always tell users not to: sed sources and dist-upgrade
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it is way to early - i don't even upgrade a vm i've prepared just for it ;)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: at this point it will be like running jj with proposed
[22:41] <maxb> karmic hasn't shown up in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development, hence update-manager not offering it
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i don't think that they have even updated toolchain completely.
[22:42] <maxb> Just have a look at the karmic-changes ML archives - barely any packages have been uploaded so far
[22:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: please, tell me you are doing it in VM ;}
[22:42] <BUGabundo> maxb: I saw a bunch of them on the archive
[22:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: do you think I'm that crazy?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> I ran it bare metal!
[22:42] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:43] <kklimonda> ;)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> I've been doing it since 6.10 beta
[22:43] <maxb> Well, define a bunch. a non-trivial number, yes, but nothing other than utter core or toolchain stuff
[22:43] <BUGabundo> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/
[22:45] <maxb> Sources that have been uploaded to karmic so far: base-files binutils cdbs debhelper debootstrap ecj flex gcc-4.3 gcc-4.4 gcc-defaults gcj-4.4 gjdoc java-common lpia-wrapper
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you said few days ago that karmic is switching to swap files. Do you have some links to discussion or something I could check?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> so I won't even notice it eheh
[22:46] <maxb> So, only 14 source packages, and none that are likely to bring significant behaviour changes to the vast majority of people
[22:46] <ikonia> switching to swap files ?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> the prob will be, that ill have to run both pockets
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well - gcc -v returns 4.4 ;)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> and that will eventually cause me trouble
[22:46] <BUGabundo> as usually
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: devel-discuss ML I think
[22:47] <BUGabundo> let me get my email archive and tell you the subject and ML
[22:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and does it mean that we could expect hibernation to work without swap partition in karmir or karmic+1? ;)
[22:48] <kklimonda> (not that hibernation works at all with my nvidia but I'm still interested)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> maybe
[22:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: works for me
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with closed driver
[22:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: last time I've tried it didn't resume from hibernation..
[22:49] <kklimonda> but it was some time ago
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with open driver X fails, know bug, thought fixed
[22:49] <kklimonda> i'll check it right now :)
[22:49] <BUGabundo> with NV it even fails to boot
[22:50] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sorry, can't file the email
[22:50] <BUGabundo> maybe just ask to cjcolin ?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> I think it was an email from hime
[22:50] <BUGabundo> *him
[22:53]  * kklimonda_ writes memo to himself: "hibernation doesn't work without a swap partition, you idiot. Don't forget that."
[22:53] <kklimonda_> but it still shouldn't lock up my computer..
[22:53] <ienorand> Anyone knows if there are there any plans to update gnumeric in Karmic? looking at lp it seems not to have a lot of activity goin on...
[22:54] <kklimonda> ienorand: what version is in debian unstable?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: aaahaha
[22:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: file a bug???
[22:54] <BUGabundo> here $ ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager
[22:55] <kklimonda> ya, it shouldn't give me an option to hibernate at all
[22:55] <ienorand> kklimonda: Ah, yea, 1.9.6 is in sid... so guessing this will be the one in Karmic?
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: it will have to be upgraded manually as there are some ubuntu-specific changes.
[22:56] <kklimonda> ienorand: you will have to request merge
[22:57] <ienorand> kklimonda: ok, well first I'm going to test it and see if it rides reasonably stable.
[22:57] <kklimonda> ienorand: also you should check what changes were made in ubuntu and if they still apply to newer version.
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ienorand: maybe put it on your PPA to test, and then help with debdiff
[23:00] <ienorand> Heh, I don't even have a ppa yet :) , and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to dig down an mess with things, but I'll see what I can do.
[23:01] <kklimonda> ienorand: you will have to apply changes that were made in ubuntu1 release.
[23:02] <kklimonda> a patch from ubuntu2 should be already in debian package.
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I guess you are a great candidate for the next #classroom session then
[23:03] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Looking up the schedule...
[23:06] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Ah, that's a good suggestion, I'll see if I can make that session, 6 in the morning, ah, shouldn't be too bad...
[23:07] <kklimonda> :D
[23:07] <kklimonda> ienorand: 6AM isn't that bad - One session I was really interested in was at 2AM ;)
[23:08] <ienorand> One goog thing about irc, no one sees if you look lie a zombie :D
[23:08] <kklimonda> i was even able to ask few questions.. but the following day was a horror ;)
[23:08] <ienorand> kklimonda: Heh, that's not that late :P
[23:08] <kklimonda> ienorand: sure - it lasted until 3AM
[23:09] <kklimonda> ienorand: and I had to wake up at 7 ;)
[23:09] <ienorand> If you just take a brisk run around  ~4pm you can manage to become completely nocturnal :-|
[23:10] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: 2am is not bad. at weekend s I'm up at that time
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it was a thursday if I remember correctly ;)
[23:10] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:23] <BUGabundo> this went quiet!
[23:25]  * ienorand is messing with debian repos
[23:33] <FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:34] <FFForever> ahhh
[23:34] <FFForever> anyone know how i can get my internal mic working?
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: only new gcc and binutils was uploaded so far
[23:34] <ikonia> blindly hitting repos, it is a mistake opening this channel
[23:34] <ikonia> FFForever: support is in #ubuntu
[23:34] <BUGabundo> ikonia: hehe
[23:34] <kklimonda> FFForever: it isn't really topic for this channel - support is on #ubuntu
[23:34] <FFForever> ikonia, =( ubuntu is overan but idiots who cant/won't help me =(
[23:35] <FFForever> ive tried 8 times in there 2day...
[23:35] <BUGabundo> FFForever: its usual! :(
[23:35] <kklimonda> FFForever: try ubuntuforums.org
[23:35] <BUGabundo> but still lots of ppl eager to help, there
[23:35] <ikonia> FFForever: no more/less than idiots blindly asking about KK repos
[23:35] <kklimonda> FFForever:  there might be a better chance of someone noticing your question there.
[23:36] <FFForever> kklimonda, true but after no resonances after asking 8 times gets old...
[23:36] <kklimonda> I think that ubottu should get a !repo flag ;)
[23:37] <ikonia> FFForever: I can't see you asking once in the logs in #ubuntu
[23:38] <kklimonda> FFForever: fast answer is that you should check your mixer and set input sources to ``Internal Mic''
[23:39] <kklimonda> FFForever:  but I don't remember if that is enough to fix it.
[23:40] <BUGabundo> FFForever: also try alsamixer and try to mute/unmute the mic
[23:40] <BUGabundo> also what apps are you using to test it?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> and increase BOOST/Gain
[23:41] <FFForever> audacity and sound recorder i am trying
[23:41] <FFForever> and skype...
[23:42] <BUGabundo> forget skype
[23:42] <BUGabundo> known bug, won't work, for most users
[23:43] <FFForever> ahhh but i need it for cs:s lol
[23:43] <FFForever> external mic is said to work but not the internal one
[23:43] <FFForever> the sound dude in here during the alpha said it had to do with the kernel and he would fix it but he never did =\
[23:46] <maxb> 23:33 < FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:46] <maxb> 23:34 < kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:47] <maxb> It's not really open - 23:33 < FFForever> is the repo open?
[23:47] <maxb> 23:34 < kklimonda> FFForever: yes - but there are almost no changes so far
[23:47] <maxb> oops
[23:47] <maxb> It's not really open - it's still frozen
[23:47] <BUGabundo> maxb: bad boy
[23:47] <maxb> Second time I was *trying* to paste: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[23:47] <FFForever> maxb, ahh so when does it thaw-out?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> FFForever: you mean dtchen? he is not even here! guess still stuck on #ubuntu until he re-login
[23:48] <FFForever> yeah dtchen :D
[23:48] <BUGabundo> FFForever: and NO, he did not yet SRU his fixeds
[23:48] <FFForever> SRU?
[23:48] <maxb> I assume it gets thawed when the core-devs working on the toolchain uploads say its ready
[23:49] <FFForever> ahhh
[23:55] <ienorand> FFForever: Does switching analog/digital inputs (deep down in the misty alsa mountatin...) give you anything?
[23:57] <BUGabundo>  !sru | FFForever
[23:57] <BUGabundo> is the bot still on holiday?


[16:21] <cjohnston> mdke: ping
[16:21] <mdke> cjohnston: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)


[15:02] <adrian_1908> Hey, anyone else still having the bug where no wallapers are listed if you go the Desktop settings (e.g. Right-click -> Desktop Settings…)?


[07:54] <Bunbury> hello all
[07:55] <Bunbury> anyone can give me advice on installing jrockit properlu on ubuntu 10.10?
[19:26] <Bunbury> anyone know how to install ibm jdk 6 or jrockit r28.1 on meerkat?


[00:10] <ronny> sup
[00:10] <ronny> is there any simple way to get a git diff between 2 bzr revision trees
[00:17]  * ronny pokes lifeless
[00:18] <lifeless> sorry, no
[00:18] <lifeless> not that I know of anyway; bzr-git might have something
[00:19] <ronny> i dont think bzr-git will need it
[00:20] <jelmer> ronny: what is a git diff?
[00:21] <jelmer> ronny: there's some initial work there in "bzr send --format=git" to behave like git format-patch
[00:21] <jelmer> is that what you mean?
[00:22] <ronny> jelmer: i want to get git style diffs betwen 2 revisions (ie the extra lines with rename/add/remove metadata), i never used gits format-patch
[00:26] <wgrant> 'bzr diff' gives me that information.
[00:26] <ronny> wgrant: not in the same format as git
[00:26] <ronny> directory renames are more concise tho
[00:38] <cellofellow> where might I find the bzrlib.plugins.stats module? I'm assuming it's a plugin? Trying to install bzr-gtk from trunk and it says it needs that module.
[00:40] <james_w> cellofellow: the bzr-stats plugin
[00:40] <cellofellow> oh, duh
[00:40] <cellofellow> :)
[00:43] <verterok> lifeless: fwiw, looks like there is a eclipse package >= 3.4 in karmic :O
[00:44] <lifeless> I'm running karmic...
[00:44] <verterok> lifeless: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/eclipse
[00:44] <lifeless> oh, this is interesting..
[00:45] <lifeless> Version: 3.4.1-0ubuntu2 yeah
[00:45] <verterok> lifeless: it's still old, but not "years" old
[00:46] <lifeless> I was seeing..
[00:46] <lifeless> Version: 3.2.2-5ubuntu3
[00:46] <lifeless> must been new in the archive ;)
[00:47] <lifeless> I haven't updated for a week I think
[00:49]  * verterok --> dinner
[01:58] <cellofellow> bzr-gtk nautilus plugin is very slow. :(
[01:58] <cellofellow> s/plugin/extension/
[02:09] <JoaoJoao> howdy
[07:02] <poolie> igc1: hi?
[07:03] <fullermd> poolie: Aaron's away until after 1.18 is intended to be released, right?
[07:03] <poolie> i think so
[07:06] <fullermd> 'k.
[07:13] <fullermd> Oh, rolled over another ten million on launchpadlibrarian.  Neat.
[10:03] <alexharrington> Hi everyone. Does someone have a few minutes to help me with upgrading repository formats? I'm working on the Xibo project, which is developed cross-platform, and we keep having issues with line endings getting mixed up. I've upgraded to 1.17 and written a rules file, but I'm not sure how I go about upgrading the whole project (in Launchpad) and associated branches to use the new format.
[10:03] <alexharrington> I converted one over, and it shows Branch Working Format 5, but when I then branch from that it comes up as format 4?
[10:10] <alexharrington> I guess what I'm asking is do I have to upgrade the stable/development trunks first, then my branches? Or can I do stuff in any order? And what is it that causes future branches to use the newer format?
[11:19] <AfC> alexharrington: asking here never hurts, but if you don't get an answer I'd recommend mailing their list.
[11:19] <alexharrington> yeah - I'm posting on Launchpad Answers now - see if I get any joy there
[11:19] <alexharrington> thanks
[12:04] <AfC> alexharrington: actually, I said Bazaar's mailing list.
[12:04] <james_w> answers is fine
[13:26] <Noldorin> hello. could anyone please tell me the file in the source in which unlocking is done?
[13:26] <Noldorin> (including the rename to unlock)
[13:44] <LarstiQ> Noldorin: bzrlib/lockdir.py ?
[13:44] <LarstiQ> Noldorin: combined with .unlock() on branch/repository/tre
[16:08] <Proteuskor> I have a quick question about permissions after an initial branch. If I do the branch locally. bzr branch <dir1> <dir2> the umask is honored
[16:09] <Proteuskor> however if I do it using the bzr+ssh method bzr branch <dir1> bzr+ssh://user@host/path it doesnt honos the umask
[16:09] <Proteuskor> s/honos/honor
[16:09] <Proteuskor> so I have to manually chmod -R g+r /path on the server for every created branch :(
[16:12] <Proteuskor> chmod -R g+w rather...
[16:15] <Proteuskor> has no one here ever tried to have a multi-user bazaar server using the bzr+ssh method?
[16:27] <Proteuskor> well, adding os.umask(002) right after the if __name__ == '__main__': might be a nasty hack but it works for now... bzr should really fix the bzr_ssh method to honor the umask as set in /etc/profile... perhaps its not running the shell in login mode so /etc/profile isn't being executed. This won't work for multi-user environments...
[16:28] <vila> Proteuskor: please report a bug and your work around, no everybody will read the IRC logs...
[16:29] <Proteuskor> I wonder if its a misconfig of my system still :) thats why I was asking here first
[16:29] <Proteuskor> could be my strange ssh server (I use dropbear because of its reduced memory footprint)
[16:29] <vila> oooh, is that you that plays with tiny servers ? :-D
[16:30] <vila> s/that/who/ oops
[16:30] <Proteuskor> indeed
[16:30] <vila> hmm, well, at least, instead of your "nasty hack" (your words :) you can just define a wrapper and set BZR_REMOTE_SSH
[16:31] <vila> err, BZR_REMOTE_PATH (see bzr help env-variables)
[16:31] <Proteuskor> ok, let me look into that real quick :)
[16:32] <vila> that way you eon't have to patch bzr every time (if it's due to your config)
[16:32] <Proteuskor> ya, I like that idea better, thank you
[16:32] <Proteuskor> although I'm not yet sure how to get my windows users to tickle that setting via the tortoise GUI
[16:33] <vila> and remember that BZR_REMOTE_PATH can also be set in config files (don't remember the config variable name though)
[16:33] <vila> lol, messages crossed on the wire
[16:33] <Proteuskor> ok, I can prolly just distribute a config file to all of the users then :D
[16:34] <Proteuskor> I am actually new to bzr, I used to use perforce, just because thats what the company was using when I joined
[16:34] <Proteuskor> comming up the learning curve now
[16:34] <vila> hehe, the pleasure is in learning a little bit every day :-D
[16:39] <Proteuskor> i think the real fix is to get the ssh transport to use login mode so /etc/profile is processed before calling the specified server. That way the systems configured umask is honored... but there may be a reason they didnt want to use login mode. If the comment at the top of transport/ssh.py is right I could email robey pointer and just ask. I dun want to file a bug if there is a good reason for the current behaviour
[16:40] <vila> Proteuskor: robey doesn't work on bzr these days, you'd better file a bug, you'll get a far better tracking of the issue, really
[16:40] <Proteuskor> ok
[16:43] <AirBender> Hello guys
[16:44] <AirBender> is there a way to override make AC_PACKAGE_VERSION in autoconf reflect the current revno in a bzr branch?
[16:44] <AirBender> to make*
[16:47] <vila> AirBender: hacking around: bzr version-info --custom --template "{revno}"
[16:49] <AirBender> vila: yeap, but do you know the procedure to make AC_PACKAGE_VERSION read a file with the revno, or execute this bzr command to get the number?
[16:49] <vila> I know nothing about autoconf except using it :)
[16:50] <AirBender> because in AC_INIT I can't put a macro I think...
[16:50] <AirBender> me too lol
[16:51] <AirBender> but I'm pretty sure there's a simple way to do this... I don't like to change manually the revno every time in configure.ac
[16:53] <vila> Did you ask Google? :-)
[16:53] <weigon> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/release-notes/NEWS.html#in-development has two bzr 1.18 releases
[16:54] <vila> weigon: the more the merrier !!
[16:55] <weigon> please add at least a 3rd :)
[16:56] <AirBender> vila: yes I have, but may be I'm searching in the wrong way...
[16:59] <vila> well, most of the time yo found in the last place you search so... keep digging :)
[19:36] <johnjosephbachir> is there any way to have access control with `bzr serve` ?
[20:05] <jfroy> is there a known bug with 2a and patch files?
[20:05] <jfroy> I just tried to apply a merge bundle someone sent me, and bzr died with AttributeError: 'AbsentContentFactory' object has no attribute 'get_bytes_as'
[20:07] <jfroy> mmm actually no
[20:07] <jfroy> the branch has the problem
[20:07] <jfroy> it dies with the same error when doing bzr check
[20:18] <jfroy> so I branched the bad branch with 1.18rc
[20:18] <jfroy> and the new branch looks ok (according to check)
[20:19] <jfroy> however now the merge command is failing with "bzr: ERROR: Bad bzr revision-bundle: "Can't convert to target format"  "
[20:19] <jfroy> whatever the hell that means
[20:25] <denys> johnjosephbachir: not at present, but I just started working on it
[20:26] <johnjosephbachir> denys: cool. so it seems like the only read/write hosting solution with access control that doesn't require making OS users is webdav, yeah?
[20:28] <denys> johnjosephbachir: and ssh to some extent
[20:47] <fullermd> No, you could use the smart server over HTTP.
[20:47] <fullermd> (and of course over ssh doesn't necessarily require system users, since you can putz with how sshd authenticates)
[21:01] <teolicy> Hi. I'm a git user. A few months ago I wanted to contribute to a project using bzr, and installed some old version of bzr (maybe 1.6?). Today I updated my bzr to 1.18rc1, because I want to contribute to a different project.
[21:02] <bialix> that's ok
[21:02] <teolicy> After the upgrade, upon running bzr status in the repository I branched, I get an uncaught TypeError. I read a bit and found this bug to match what happened to me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/334202
[21:03] <teolicy> The workaround works and indeed I have bzr-loom 1.4dev in the output of bzr plugins.
[21:03] <teolicy> The question is: I'm not sure how to remove the plugin altogether, and, more importantly, since I'm not well versed in bzr I don't know if bzr-loom is a very important and often used plugin or not.
[21:03] <teolicy> Recommendations?
[21:03] <bialix> run `bzr plugins -v`
[21:04] <bialix> it will tell you where plugin located
[21:04] <teolicy> And I just rm -fr it?
[21:04] <bialix> go there and delete loom directory
[21:04] <bialix> yep
[21:04] <teolicy> Excellent, very nice.
[21:04] <bialix> bzr-loom provided special workflow, so in most cases you don't need it
[21:05] <teolicy> And indeed bzr works now.
[21:05] <teolicy> OKie, thanks a bunch.
[21:05] <bialix> :-)
[21:05] <teolicy> You know what, while I'm here, another question.
[21:05] <bialix> shoot
[21:06] <teolicy> I might have my terminology a bit git-ish, I hope you'll understand me. The feature I probably like best in git is 'git rebase -i'.
[21:06] <bialix> -i means interactive?
[21:06] <teolicy> After doing a series of local commits on my repo, and before I 'pushed' the changes to the upstream repo, I can see my local changes, edit them, edit their commit messages, reorder them, squash them into one commit, etc, etc.
[21:06] <teolicy> Yep.
[21:06] <teolicy> Is there something similar to play with in bzr?
[21:07] <bialix> no, there is rebase but it has no -i
[21:07] <teolicy> OK, never mind. I'll do without for now.
[21:07] <teolicy> Thanks again, see you around bialix.
[21:07] <bialix> np
[21:20] <denys> fullermd: is usage of the bzr server over http mentioned/described/explained somewhere?
[21:34] <awilkins> denys: Windows or Linux?
[21:37] <denys> awilkins: access control, you mean?
[21:38] <awilkins> HTTP server
[21:38] <denys> awilkins: linux
[23:22] <sinelaw> help! on windows, bzr add on a specific subdir fails with ERROR: "blabla..."