[01:17] <AbsintheSyringe> I'm packaging light-themes for Debian, as part of packaging Unity for Debian, I completely tailored themes for Debian, however have a small problem that's annoying the hell out of me
[01:18] <AbsintheSyringe> somewhere in metacity I need to edit it so the edges don't look so square after I moved back the buttons to the right side
[01:18] <AbsintheSyringe> http://foolcontrol.org/img/square%20edges.png
[01:18] <AbsintheSyringe> can anyone help me out with this?
[08:13] <ivanka> morning thorwil
[08:13] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:33] <thorwil> 0.o http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmAkdU6H8UJSozac6ikCtNcR1GtnwkJkfxwiSPyk2EZKezMS1L&t=1
[11:04] <kwwii> thorwil: sometimes I worry about you :p
[11:05] <thorwil> kwwii: we are at least 2, then! :)
[14:41]  * evilvish knows thorwil will hate it but had nothing more to add to that mail.. ;p
[14:42] <andreasn> evilvish, new nick? :)
[14:43] <evilvish> nah.. just being evil ;p
[14:47] <andreasn> heh
[14:50] <thorwil> evilvish: well, an opinion of which one should go would have been nice, but i'm happy that there is finally a reply at all ;)
[19:54] <thorwil> http://edubuntu.org/2011/10/20/call-for-natty-wallpapers
[20:08] <coz_> mm   maybe I should submit my water pictures  mmm  let me check requirements
[20:09] <coz_> the problem I have  damn flicker  :)
[20:21] <coz_> thorwil,  hey guys  I am trying the  backtestground again  with   sudo python setup.py install   or    sudo python setup.py install    --recor files.txt     both spit out the same  error...  error: can't copy '': doesn't exist or not a regular file
[20:21] <coz_> thorwil,  what am I dong wrong :?
[20:22] <coz_> all of the dependecies are installed
[20:23] <thorwil> hmmm
[20:23] <coz_> thorwil,  again this is ubuntu 11.04
[20:24] <coz_> not sure if that matters actually
[20:24] <thorwil> shouldn't
[20:24] <coz_> thorwil,   are either of those commands correct?
[20:25] <thorwil> python setup.py build
[20:25] <thorwil> sudo python setup.py install --record files.txt
[20:25] <coz_> right I did both
[20:26] <thorwil> now if i had a line number of an actual filename ... '': is hard to make sense of :/
[20:27] <coz_> mm
[20:28] <coz_> warning: install_data: setup script did not provide a directory for '' -- installing right in 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg'
[20:29] <coz_> thorwil,  I believe its line 21  in  setup.py
[20:30] <coz_> oh wait  also line 33
[20:30] <coz_> no that's for man_files
[20:31] <thorwil> coz_: well, you could try and remove line 14 to 37 and 68
[20:31] <coz_> mm changed it to my home directoy and now get   warning: install_data: setup script did not provide a directory for '/home/cosimo321' -- installing right in 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg'
[20:31] <coz_> error: can't copy '/home/cosimo321': doesn't exist or not a regular file
[20:32] <coz_> 68   it only goes up to 46
[20:33] <coz_> nevermind
[20:33] <thorwil> coz_: use http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/324554/
[20:33] <coz_> ok let me try that
[20:34] <coz_> mm
[20:34] <coz_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:34] <coz_>   File "setup.py", line 19, in <module>
[20:34] <coz_>     long_description=read('docs/README'),
[20:34] <coz_> NameError: name 'read' is not defined
[20:34] <thorwil> gnah, i removed the # Utility function to read the README file
[20:34] <coz_> :)
[20:34] <thorwil> coz_: http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/324557/
[20:35] <coz_> that worked :)
[20:35] <coz_> let me test this
[20:39] <coz_> ooo worked well :)
[20:39] <coz_> mm but no 2560x1024   general dual monitor size :(
[20:40] <coz_> thorwil,   but this crops far too much for some images
[20:40] <thorwil> coz_: after running to-common-resolutions once, edit ~/.config/backtestground_resolutions
[20:40] <coz_> I think I can resize  these easily manually
[20:41] <coz_> thorwil,  oh ok
[20:41] <thorwil> coz_: i'm all ears if you find a test case where it crops too much
[20:42] <coz_> thorwil,  ok  tested on an image  I already s howed   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/Wallpaper/natty%20wallpaper/ubuntu_Pond1.png
[20:42] <coz_> thorwil,  however it crops the upper part of the image  removing  the smalled scaled ripples in the image  making almost not clear on what the image actually is
[20:43] <thorwil> coz_: it is supposed to crop balanced, same amount left/right or top/bottom
[20:44] <coz_> thorwil,  ah ok... mm I will have to resize these images  manuall y then
[20:44] <coz_> thorwil,  i like how this works though :)
[20:44] <thorwil> coz_: good, ty :)
[20:45] <thorwil> coz_: please try this: http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/324565/
[20:46] <thorwil> coz_: from the same dir, with "python filename"
[20:46] <coz_> thorwil,  will test in a bit ...have to get to doing a few things  ,,,sister is ill,, may have to take her to hospital :(   be back a bit later


[13:01] <brobostigon> afternoonings markie-
[13:02] <markie-> brobostigon, afternoon, how's things?
[13:02] <brobostigon> markie-: not bad, could be better. and you?
[13:02] <markie-> brobostigon, same, just had a BT bill come in for £160, so that's a little stressing
[13:03] <brobostigon> ouch, yes, that is alot.
[13:03] <markie-> heh Yea and i have limited money too :(
[13:04] <brobostigon> :(
[13:04] <markie-> How has it been around here?
[13:05] <brobostigon> quiet really.
[13:06] <markie-> Yea looks like it


[01:46] <Turl> happy new year! 15 minutes are remaining for it here :D
[11:10] <qense> hello
[19:51] <Turl> newz2000: hi
[19:51] <Turl> are you (or anyone here) in charge of ubuntu's popularity contest?


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[05:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: convert 0.17 USD to ZAR
[05:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: 0.17 USD (America (United States of America) Dollars) = 1.15 ZAR (South Africa Rand) (Last trade rate: 6.788, Bid: 6.7629, Ask: 6.813)
[05:29] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:29] <nuvolari> anyone know what mobile-to-mobile costs?
[05:29] <nuvolari> vodacom-to-vodacom
[05:31] <superfly> I think it depends on whether you're prepaid or contract
[05:33] <nuvolari> meh :-/
[05:33] <superfly> nuvolari: what package do you have?
[05:33]  * nuvolari wants to try out google voice
[05:33] <nuvolari> superfly: weekend everyday
[05:34] <superfly> OK, same as me I think... you get 120 free off-peak minutes?
[05:34] <nuvolari> superfly: yup. that one
[05:34] <superfly> http://www.vodacom.co.za/vodacom/Deals/Contract/Contract+Price+Plans/Everyday+Off-Peak+120
[05:34] <nuvolari> lol, googling for "vodacom weekend everyday" returns a hellkom result
[05:35] <nuvolari> thanks superfly
[05:35] <superfly> they changed the names of the packages recently
[05:35] <nuvolari> whoa, if google can make this work...  Ek kan nie dit in die week maak nie. Ek sal die LAN geleetnheid oor die naweek (daai naweek) kan maak.
[15:39] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[15:39] <nuvolari> Kilos: hallo oom
[15:39] <nuvolari> mirrag oom ek meen
[15:40] <nuvolari> ek gaan noui huistoe
[15:40] <nuvolari> pfft. my spelling is opgevoeter
[15:40] <nuvolari> bbiab
[15:51] <Kilos> kissakiza, is it your first time here?
[15:51] <kissakiza> I suppose so yes
[15:51] <kissakiza> might've visited before, but I can't remember hanging out here
[15:52] <kissakiza> anyone from Cape Town?
[15:52] <Kilos> ok tell us a bit about yourself. what you do and what OS you use etc
[15:52] <Kilos> there are quite a few here from that area yes
[15:55] <kissakiza> I'm a compsci student from UCT, I'm currently running Ubuntu 10.04, waiting for some spare time to upgrade to 11.04 (or better yet, upgrade my laptop!)
[15:55] <kissakiza> how about you, Kilos?
[15:56] <Kilos> i am kinda retired. stay just outside pretoria and use maverick
[15:56] <Kilos> 10.10
[15:57] <kissakiza> I'm curious about Unity, still running Gnome
[15:57] <kissakiza> looking forward to trying out Unity
[15:57] <Kilos> there are other guys here that work at UCT i am sure
[15:58] <Kilos> lol my pc doesnt do unity. it says the hardware cant take it
[16:00] <kissakiza> oh, well, in that case I might stick with Gnome
[16:00] <Kilos> my pc is old
[16:00] <kissakiza> I don't want something to chew up more RAM
[16:00] <kissakiza> so you're in Gnome or?
[16:00] <Kilos> first p4 that came out
[16:00] <Kilos> yes gnome
[16:01] <Kilos> i like gnome, but will try unity one day
[16:01] <kissakiza> haha, cool... I turned our old P4 into a gateway PC, sadly it's RIP now
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:02] <Kilos> whats a gateway pc?
[16:02] <Kilos> im an appy
[16:03] <kissakiza> oh, just a PC to share a Internet connection (in my case at least)
[16:03] <Kilos> ah
[16:03] <kissakiza> it was actually back home when I was still with a 56K modem :P
[16:04] <Kilos> and what connection you using now?
[16:04] <kissakiza> I made it automatically disconnect before peak time the next morning so I wouldn't have to pay $$$ on our Telkom bill
[16:04] <Kilos> usb 3g
[16:04] <Kilos> lol
[16:04] <kissakiza> I'm on Neotel, switching to 8ta soon (with a TPLink 3G router)
[16:04] <superfly> hi kissakiza, there are a couple of guys from UCT... have you heard of LEG?
[16:05] <kissakiza> I have heard of LEG, never attended a meeting though!
[16:06] <kissakiza> been meaning to download some of their videocasts(?)
[16:06] <kissakiza> some of their talks sound interesting
[16:08] <Kilos> lo Wolfeyes
[16:11] <Kilos> grrr unattended pc
[16:19] <kissakiza> gotta run, cheers for now
[16:19]  * kissakiza bbl
[16:20] <Kilos> cheers
[17:28] <Kilos> eish superfly you gonna freeze tonight
[17:28] <Kilos> and tomorrow
[17:59] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[17:59] <magespawn> whats up?
[18:00] <Kilos> down actually
[18:00] <Kilos> the temp
[18:00] <magespawn> ahh the benefits of being in kzn
[18:00] <Kilos> lol yeah
[18:01] <magespawn> my inlaws are with thick sheets blankets duvets and pj and they are still cold
[18:01] <Kilos> me too. the cold here goes through everything
[18:02] <Kilos> even your bones
[18:02] <Kilos> maybe its an age thing
[18:03] <magespawn> nah i think its above sea level thing.
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:05] <magespawn> amazing how quite it is in here sometimes.
[18:06] <Kilos> yeah this whole years so far has been very quiet
[18:09] <magespawn> wonder why? all the geeks getting real/other lives?
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe
[18:09] <Kilos> no , not so many noobs needing help
[18:11] <magespawn> well then must certainly do something about that.
[18:12] <Kilos> yeah i think not enough people are being made aware that there is life after mstinks
[18:43] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight and warm
[19:03] <magespawn> later all.


[00:18] <tgBot1> nervillo was added by: nervillo
 on unity 8 folder run "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/ builddir/src/unity8  -mousetouch"
 use kdevelop to navegate and compile from source
 on unity 8 folder run to test unity 8 on x  "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/ builddir/src/unity8  -mousetouch"
 @Ismaelbonato, Why Mir on top of x? Why not just use u8 on Mir in a VM?
 @UniversalSuperBox
 It keeps rebooting :/
 When I flashed it with the new rootfsng
 @UniversalSuperBox A little help  ? With the new rootfs installer, the devices keeps rebooting ..
 I've made the changes to init.rc but that did'nt work :/
 Do you have any logs
 I could get them for you
 @Ismaelbonato, And why are your screen shots so small?
 @UniversalSuperBox, how do I get the logs  ?
 Well, depending on your kernel version
 3.4
 Boot to recovery to read it
 I don't have a last_kmsg :/
 Do you have a `/sys/fs/pstore`
 yep
 Anything in there
 console raamops
 and pmsg-ramoops-o
 Let's see the ramoops file
 That is not an Ubuntu Touch log...
 Also you're running kernel 3.10
 nope
 3.4
 Linux version 3.10.96-g68d1b37 (jenkins@build)
 ohkay thats weird
 the kernel i'm using is supposed to be 3.4
 Either way, that's the recovery kernel
 Do you want the pmsg?
 so... no log....
 @UniversalSuperBox Alright
 I have a kmsg that i cannot copy or even access from the computer
 but i can read it with terminal in twrp
 nevermind. that's the twrp log again
[04:02] <tgBot1> deegrate was added by: deegrate
 @deegrate, Welcome
 @UniversalSuperBox, So what do I do now :/ ?
 I don't even have a log to debug the issue :/
 Is it OK if I try development image of 16.04?
 Are the data and calls working?
 I have e5 hd
[04:32] <tgBot1> Lee Courington was added by: Lee Courington
[04:33] <tgBot1> <Lee Courington> Does anyone know how to get around the adb push error using the ubports installer on macOS? It seems the error is it's missing a \ in the path but can't figure out where to edit the line
 @Lee Courington, https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/68  … This issue.
[04:42] <tgBot1> <Lee Courington> Yep, that seems to be the same issue. … Know where I can find the getUbportDir file so I can change it? I can't seem to locate it
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/blob/master/src/utils.js … This guy.. not sure how to fix this on the mac.  Edit the dmg file or build from source after fixing the utils.js file.
 It might be easier to just spin up a 16.04 machine?
 Not sure why the PR hasn't been accepted.  Need to check into this and find out.
[05:30] <tgBot1> Rohit was added by: Rohit
 Hello Rohit and welcome to UBports :)
 Take a look at our https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more information.
 @Crash_Burn, Thank you. … Just a ubuntu touch enthusiast here, not a developer.. I hope that's alright.
 My console ramoops only displays twrp log ... Can someone help?
[08:00] <tgBot1> Felix was added by: Felix
 Hi there, I have problems with installing ubuntu touch on my fairphone 2.
 It stops at this piont ...
 I think this is the group for installation help
 https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 Ok, thanks ...
 :) np
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> im trying to photorec my bq 4,5 but no dice
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> phone encrypted somehow?
[09:53] <tgBot1> <Jimmie Johnsson> Feels like the browser is faster in the devel track than in 15.04 - anyone else notice that too or am I just imagining?
 I think everything feels faster and smoother in 16.04
 Hi people. yunit has died?
 yes
 sad
 yes
[10:22] <tgBot1> Wolfgang Eder was added by: Wolfgang Eder
 who uses kdenlive? anyone experienced rendering but the output if 0kb after only a second....I have a feeling a I had this issue before and I have a solution but I can't remember....
[11:05] <cc> hello,is there for ubuntu-touch?
 @Javacookies, Is 16.04 on Nexus 5 is usable enough as daily driver ? Any issues - mobile internet/wlan works ok ? I have bought Nexus 5 32GB but problems with non functional mobile data switch in indicators is annoying.
 nope, I believe 16.04 builds for any device is still not stable … most apps don't work
[11:11] <cc> i'v now use Meizu pro5 ubuntu, i want to change it tobe android,how can i do?
[11:16] <tgBot1> A K was added by: A K
[11:17] <tgBot1> <A K> Hello
[11:18] <tgBot1> <A K> Kindly can I Install Ubuntu Touch on Huawei mate 9?
[11:19] <cc> where can i find magic-device-tool ?
[11:19] <cc> i cant install it
 Hi A! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome to the most important information and feel free to ask any support related question in the Newcomers Room!
[11:19] <tgBot1> <A K> Okay thanks dear
[11:19] <cc> it always told me "command not found"
 Hi ! I have meizu mx4 ubuntu edition, now it runs android flyme 6.0.2. How can I get it back to ubuntu touch?
[12:24] <cc> how can i runs android on my ubuntu phone....
 @aptinstall, You'll have to use the flash tool from meizu to switch back, then you can switch to ubports.
 Can you flash from the terminal to put ubuntu 16.04?
 @dohbee, Because it's so slow
 @Ismaelbonato, Really? Because you're using VirtualBox? It is decently fast enough here in kvm/qemu.
 @Ricardo, yes. if you're running 15.04 on the phone, you can even switch directly on the phone, but it's best to do so over adb/ssh shell
 I made this VM to do the tutorial, but it works decently so I did a torrent.
 @Ismaelbonato, like this
 ok
 the "make x great again" trope is quite awful, btw
 so you installed unity8 debs, and you grabbed unity8 source, built it, and ran it with mousetouch enabled
 that doesn't really tell me anything about why unity8 on mir natively on your vm would be "slow" exactly
 it's simpre but in the first that I tryed to build unity 8 was a pain, so I make this tutorial to help.
 the tutorial is the important thing, virtual machine is only a plus that I had made.
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8/blob/xenial/CODING
 because this link is outdated
 Unity8 on X load is os load + Xorg + Mir + Unity8 … Unity8 on vm load is os load + Xorg  + YourXde + os load + Mir + Unity8 … this means, Unity8 on X load is (YourXorgde load + os load times) lighter than Unity8 on vm
 Wothout counting that loads inside a vm are toughter
 that is not true
 that is to say, it is irrelevant to whether unity8  is "slow" or not
 and he's running unity8 on top of X inside a VM anyway. it's not like there is no VM being used in this case
 there may be a couple of "outdated" (but not really) things in that document, but the basics are still very valid
 anyway, if i was going to make a "plan" for unity8, one of the first things would be "kill the mousetouch thing"
 anyway have to go for now.
[13:54] <tgBot1> Telegranta was added by: Telegranta
 Hello @Telegranta and welcome.  Let us know if you have any questions and please check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more info.
 @dohbee, Should I unlock the bootloader ?
 @igofftt, I think Unity8 is alive instead?  Link? Anyone?
 Unity8.io
 Oh, we own that
 uh... yeah, I knew that
 lol
 Is the confinement of UT such that we can't use cmake and make to build apps on it?
 No they should still work fine. I'd personally use a chroot if i was doing it on device.
 @UniversalSuperBox, we do?  nice.  Is there a Telegram group for people who want to kick butt and not chew bubble gum?
 why not both?
 fair enough
 Anyway, no there isn't
 Ok!  Sounds like a job for UBAM!  (unless you have another suggestion in which case... PM me and yell at me)
 Can I yell at you even though I think that's a good idea?
 Yes, i like yelling
 you can use these tools: !@#$$
 I'll get right on it
 Dan, so Libertine for example?
 does Libertine work on 16.04 in theory?
 ^ I haven't be able to get it to run, and I think Dan is trying to update/migrate some repos or whatever to get it closer to functionality.
 *been
 @TartanSpartan, yes if you installed all the dependencies
 @NotKit, Yes it should work but the xenial branch currently uses systemd and needs reverting.
 I can get "touchscreen touchpad" working on N5 with an external display
 what am I missing?
 @wayneoutthere, Why do I need another group for that?
 @vanyasem, The 'not' part of your statement? :)
 @dohbee, whoops
 @dohbee, lol... I like your humor Rodney.
 I don't know what you'd be missing there. That code is all in u8 though
 Do you have a mouse connected?
 @dohbee, no
 it says that i can use my touchscreen to control the coursor, but there's no coursor on the screen
 Hmm. Keyboard?
 @vanyasem, connected s BT mouse, it works.  still cant move its coursor
 @dohbee, no, nothing. just slimport
 Oh,. O cursor on external display you mean?
 No cursor even
 yes
 Weird.
 Sounds like you found a bug
 also windows start with minimum size for some reason
 Yeah, windowed mode is not great in u8 for window sizes
 Uhm, I see a cursor though
 @dohbee, I show you my external mouse at the first second
 I had to connect it because that touchpad thingie refused to work
[16:35] <higuita> hi, i want to upgrade a bq ubuntu phone to ubports, but i do not want to lose the contacts, musics and sms
[16:36] <higuita> will the install keep this data? if not, how to backup it and restore after?
 Right, so where was the cursor when you connected the mouse?
 Yeah, it's a known bug in Nexus 5, I believe
 @vanyasem is it vivid or xenial?
 It works in Nexus 7
 @NotKit, vivid
 @vanyasem, I already filed a bug for that..well kinda related to that, the window size and placement gets cached but when you open the app in Stage mode, they get lost
 @dohbee, center of the screen
 Not sure why n5 would be an issue there
 @Javacookies, This is mostly an issue in apps, not u8
 nope, my apps has default height and width but it's not followed by tje windows
 How is it installed?
 @vanyasem, .
 @Javacookies, Ok, most apps have bad sizes under xorg too
 @Jorge, Just ubports on n5 with slimport display
 @Javacookies, do you see the same with dekko or does it remember it's size & position? It restores the width height and position on launch itself so if that doesn't work somethings certainly iffy.
 it gave me a keypad to enter my password
 lol
 Of course
 @DanChapman, it's small at first but then resizes eventually, but it did not restore the previous position
 in my opinion, unity 8 should manage this and app's shouldn't be required to set their size and position themselves
 @dohbee, got slimport for $4 off aliexpress
 @Javacookies, I will half agree
 https://github.com/vitasdk
 @vanyasem, It's just trying to help!
 Think there's any way I can hope to build this on an M10 with Libertine, or are the ARM architecture and 15.04 stable just too unsurpassable as obstacles?
 @UniversalSuperBox, and it does help
 I don't have a keyboard
 @TartanSpartan, you can create any Linux chroot and use it to build, in theory, as long as it can build on ARM (doesn't depend on prebuilt x86 binaries, for example)
[16:59] <tgBot1> ajyotirmay was added by: ajyotirmay
 @TartanSpartan, What is the problem exactly?
 Create container, install deps, build.
 No problem as such, just it felt like a pretty daunting prospect. I should start by checking my build of it on my desktop and see if I could actually fit it on my (cramped) M10.
 @Javacookies, I really don't see the issue with apps doing it tbh. Yeah it might be nice to not have to care, but it's only a couple of lines of code in an app to add it. It not repositioning is a bug though. Not sure where that would be though qtubuntu possibly?
 Pro 5 may be a shout, if Seabass runs on a wireless display like it does on an M10's touchscreen (does anyone know?).
 @DanChapman, I think you also commented that in the bug 😜 … but I really think Unity8 should be able to handle it in case that the app doesn't … i don't mind app having their own logic but there should a default
 @DanChapman, Apps should not manage state of window manager, and app devs shouldn't be required to do things we can save them from doing.
 and also, starting in a little square sure doesnt look good ;)
 and obviously, it's already implemented, the size and position are already stored it's just that they are reset when opening the same app in stage mode, and there's also no default size...not respecting the app's explicit size....bugs for me :)
 these are the bugs I'm trying to fix myself...keyword trying :) so far I only got a workaround with one of them … i'm obviously one of the very few that's actually using desktop mode
 @dohbee, Because groups are dope
 @dohbee, Ok but to what extent should it not be allowed to manage window state? should it be allowed to control the windows visibility like entering/exiting fullscreen or minimize/maximize or multiwindow apps might want to reposition it's windows to tile them or even hide a window to prevent input for a short period
 If an app was to set QWindow::AutomaticVisibility then maybe the window manager could take control. But i don't think the option that an app can control it's own window state should be ruled out.
 Throwing it out here in case anyone can help. I tried to close a desktop app, the tablet crashed, and as occasionally happens in these circs, the container wiped and now I have to rebuild it. I'm trying to do so, but I get these Python errors:
 Traceback (most recent call last): …   File "/usr/bin/libertine-container-manager", line 313, in <module> …     container_manager = LibertineContainerManager() …   File "/usr/bin/libertine-container-manager", line 35, in __init__ …     self.containers_config = ContainersConfig() …   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/libertine/ContainersConfig.py", line 64, in __init__ …     self.refresh_database() …   File
[17:47] <tgBot1> "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/libertine/ContainersConfig.py", line 167, in refresh_database …     self.container_list = read_container_config_file() …   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/libertine/ContainersConfig.py", line 31, in read_container_config_file …     container_list = json.load(fd) …   File "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/__init__.py", line 268, in load …     parse_constant=parse_constant, object_pairs_hook=object_pairs_hook, **kw) …
[17:47] <tgBot1> "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/__init__.py", line 318, in loads …     return _default_decoder.decode(s) …   File "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/decoder.py", line 343, in decode …     obj, end = self.raw_decode(s, idx=_w(s, 0).end()) …   File "/usr/lib/python3.4/json/decoder.py", line 359, in raw_decode …     obj, end = self.scan_once(s, idx) … ValueError: Expecting property name enclosed in double quotes: line 5 column 13 (char 151)
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 @wayneoutthere, i don't need to get high. nor do i need a group for every different word i type.
 @DanChapman, full screen would be something the app requests from the WM, and then the WM either allows or denies it. As for multi-window apps, it should be up to the user, not the app. The user controls windows through the WM, not through the app. Therefore, the state is part of the WM, and not the app.
 @DanChapman, It mostly should be ruled out, as a matter of security/privacy.
 @TartanSpartan, Something broke the json config file for the containers, it would seem.
 What would be the best way to fix that? Desktop shell access and reinstall the dependencies?
 Could this be relevant to UT when it will come to optimizing performance and improving battery life in the future? https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/7woqse/linux_needs_better_cpu_throttling/
 "It's especially strange that Android has all kinds of improved CPU governors that haven't made it into the desktop for some reason."
 @TartanSpartan, No, look at the json in ~/.config/libertine/ and see what broke
 i think that's where it is anyway
 @peternerlich, Probably not, since we're using the Android kernels, so much of this stuff is already applied, at least for things that have 7.1 support from Android.
 ie, when halium ports are working, and the norm, it should just be there already
 i think some of the things are in the latest upstream kernel too, it's just that android is shipping on older kernels, so it has things backported, iirc
 nice, that sounds even better
 I read this book and a lot of the Android changes make sense now: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/embedded-android-karim-yaghmour/1110854068
 (That's the only place I can find it for sale)
 That directory is gone @dohbee
 @TartanSpartan, maybe it's in ~/.local/share/ then. i don't recall the exact location of ContainersConfig.json (or if that's the exact filename), but it a) must exist, because you're getting that error and b) is broken, because you're getting that error
 i mean, you could `find ~/.* -name "*.json"` too
 Ok, found it, it's rather stark:
 GNU nano 2.2File: ...Config.json            … { …     "_warning": "This file is automatically $ …     "containerList": [ …         {
 Sorry, had terminal up in side stage, but even full screen it's threadbare:
 GNU nano 2.2.6                                            File: ContainersConfig.json                                                                                … { …     "_warning": "This file is automatically generated by Libertine and should not be manually edited.", …     "containerList": [ …         {
 uhm, paste.ubuntu.com brah
 if that's the entire file, then that clearly explains your issue
 Fair, but the absence of anything much there a) made me think a pastebin wasn't necessary and b)concerns me.
 well, a) pastebin is good, because this channel has an irc bridge, and pasting long things like that can make it very confusing for people on irc
 Ok.
 and b) yes, if that's the entirety of the file, it's concerning because something broke it
 Related to the crash?
 probably
 so congratulations, you found a bug :)
 I tried to do a sudo apt-get remove of the deps, which did, but rather worryingly it also removed several key things like ubuntu-touch and the things that govern the clicks. That in itself is a WTF.
 But what's the best way to get the Libertine framework working again?
 of what deps, and where?
 i have no idea what you did, or where you did it
 From the base system. xmir, libertine-apps-scope (possibly paraphrased), python3-libertine-chroot (ditto), libertine.
 why did you do that?
 of course it removed ubuntu-touch, it is a metapackage
 there is no need to remove libertine and its deps
 To try and revert the program and start from fresh.
 @TartanSpartan, do you get such kind of layout on tablet?
 yes 😊
 That's what happens when you do that. I don't see why "of course" it should uninstall fundamental packages for the system if you choose to remove a niche program, but that's not my primary concern here I guess.
 @TartanSpartan, well, it won't work :)
 heh, nice, wish I could get this on Gemini someday
 Three finger press on an app and drag it to the side
 @TartanSpartan, of course because `ubuntu-touch` is simply a metapackage which depends on other packages, which make up the "ubuntu touch" system, and `libertine` is one of those packages
 if you remove a package, things which depend on it will also be removed
 @NotKit, you will get it, once you add the device-specific config bit, which makes unity8 know that the device is a tablet :)
 even on Xenial?
 Yep
 That's interesting, if a bit alien to my experiences with other Linux, but anyway.
 What can I do now?
 even on bionic, if you were to build a bionic rootfs and the unity8 stack on bionic
 The fact that the error points to a double quotation mark in a Python file, making me wonder if I should tinker with that file?
 Could do a side-by-side with the same file on my Pro 5.
 @TartanSpartan, no. it does not
 it's not complaining about the python file
 it's complaining about the json file, which is obviously broken
 Right, the quotation in the json, I see now.
 What if I were to delete that file?
 it failed to parse the obviously broken json
 which apparently was broken in the middle of a write to it
 well, then libertine won't know about your current containers
 but will be slighty better off than you are currently
 if you try to create an existing container, it might just notice that it already exists
 Alternatively, if I import the json from my Pro 5, which has identical characteristics except for a couple of apps?
 the json file doesn't know what apps are installed
 it's just the list of containers
 Ermmmm...
 A sample from my Pro 5 file.
 oh, weird
 At a push, I might be able to edit the references to programs which are on the Pro 5 but not the M10 out of the file. Or I might have a recent screenshot on an SD card with the programs (if not the full package list).
 *edit them out from my own memory
 Of the two approaches I hypothesised, which sounds more viable to you? If anything this reveals how important it is to keep a backup of that file in particular.
 @DanChapman also interested in your take here, if you have one :P
 well, copy the file over i guess
 if everything else is exactly the same, it should be fine
 really, i don't think jenkins should keep a list of installed packages/apps, in the json file. that sounds like a bad design
 is jenkins used in libertine?
 On the other idea, do we have reason to suspect that if it was deleted, a new one would be generated?
 no
 err
 i don't think libertine should keep a list of installed packages/apps
 had a brain fart there
 @TartanSpartan, not generated in the way that you would like, i would suspect
 Ok, to keep my bases covered I'll mount this card and see if a snapshot record of the tablet's apps does exist, first.
 Done it. L-C-M (abbreviated) list shows vivid exists. So should be able to rebuild from here.
 Will report back after I do that.
 In fact, I might not have to rebuild the whole container, maybe just the installed apps? Time will tell.
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[21:08] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Thank you.. Now what should i do... My phone is in ubuntu recovery mode... But in my pc its showing waiting for device to enter in recovery mode
[21:08] <tgBot1> <Joa L> @Syed Moin Draz, Some options: usb debugging is still off? USB serial is nog Lister het as a know device? Or screen of locked?
[21:09] <tgBot1> <Joa L> What channel?
[21:10] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Usb debugging is on...
[21:12] <tgBot1> <Joa L> What is the current/last OS?
[21:13] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Current os is lineage os nougat 7.1... Last os was liquidsmooth 4.4
 does the phone appear in `adb devices` list on pc, while in recovery? maybe adbd failed to start when recovery came up for some reason, try restarting into recovery?
 or try restarting the installer and trying it again
[21:15] <tgBot1> <Joa L> And next OS is Ubuntu 15 or 16?
[21:16] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> @Joa L, Ubuntu 15
[21:17] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> @dohbee, I tried two times but it still stuck after recovery mode appears in device
[21:17] <tgBot1> <Joa L> Laptop OS where you running the app to get Ubuntu on your phone? And also to open an terminal/cmd and try to find your phone using ADB
[21:18] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Windows 8.1... In bootloader device is not showing in adb
 no, there is no adb in bootloader, it is fastboot
 in recovery there should be adb though
[21:19] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> @dohbee, Yeah
[21:19] <tgBot1> <Joa L> Did you use adb... Or fastboot... Commands?
[21:19] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Both
[21:20] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> It showing in fastboot devices
[21:21] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Should i have to download external files? In ubport installer or it download files itself
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[21:22] <tgBot1> <Joa L> Should be done al automatically
[21:22] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Ok
[21:23] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Now what to pls help
[21:23] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Do*
[21:23] <tgBot1> <Joa L> Do you have an second laptop pc?
[21:23] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> I have laptop
 please discuss installation troubles in @WelcomePlus
 don't spam this chat
 thank you
[21:25] <tgBot1> <Syed Moin Draz> Ok
 Hellow peter and welcome.  Check out https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for more newcommers info.
 @dohbee, you are amazing in that way.  im so weak and need these things.
 ok
 As you can see, Libertine is back. No need to install everything again, the Pro 5 was able to resucitate the M10 by donating/cloning it's json file. To my knowledge the programs run fine (Double Commander looked like it always does) but I'll test all of them over time.
 RELIEF! :)
 Thank you for guidance during the surgery, Rodney.
 Who is maintaing the Libertine app now? Is it discontinued?
 I'm sure there was a click of this somewhere: https://launchpad.net/libertine
 @AresMinos, I'm not sure about this ... I don't remember using a Libertine app.  I setup Libertine from the command line. … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 Are you thinking of this: … https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/libertine-scope.ubuntu
 Nope, canonical introduced an app to install debs into libertine containers
 there was a sort of app too, which got turned into a system-settings plugin
 it was never packaged as a click, though, iirc
 And I remember having an app to install the silos
[22:39] <tgBot1> Edgard was added by: Edgard
 there are no more silos
 so an app to install silos is not going to be useful
 ah ok... never mind :P  Never saw that.
 And what about the work in those :O?
 Welcome to Ubports Edgard .  Be sure to check out our welcome page for more info https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome.
 @AresMinos, what about it?
 Where can one find it?
 It wasn't merged into Unity8
 well, if the branches weren't deleted, the code is still on launchpad i guess
 but you're going to have to be more specific about what "it" is
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 Hello and Welcome Andrei .  Please jump right in if you have any questions.
 Ubuntu touch available for One plus 2 ?
 To date, no


[06:43] <valorin> Anyone have any experience debugging SSH problems with  the error message of "Write failed: Broken pipe"?
[07:26] <gorilla> valorin: Sorry for the late response but I have...
[07:27] <gorilla> I have found that to be the case when I have ssh'ed from my work machine to my home machine and leave it for a while. I think it is caused by either end timing out. Nat connection at both ends bring on IPv6!
[07:42] <valorin> I've got IPv4 with NAT
[07:42] <valorin> its annoying cos our sys admins don't know what is happening
[07:46] <gorilla> In my experience, if you keep the connection busy (keep alive), you shouldn't see that message.
[07:47] <gorilla> I should probably look into it further but give that I don't control my work network, my understanding is going to be restricted at best.
[07:51] <head_victim> valorin: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97003 has a few tips
[07:51] <valorin> Yeah, nah, it's ok. I've got one of the admins checking it for me at the moment. It's probably something to do with the complex DMZ setup they've got
[07:52] <head_victim> gorilla: you might find it interesting to solve your issue as well
[07:52] <valorin> I'll take a look, thanks head_victim
[07:53] <head_victim> valorin: I hope it helps :)
[07:55] <valorin> Mmm... I don't think the issue is server related, I'd say it's the firewalls which are causing my issue. Since we've rolled out identicial systems with the same config without issue outside this enviroment
[07:55] <valorin> Thanks anyway guys :)
[10:15] <gorilla> head_victim: for me it's not really an issue as the problem only occurs when I leave the connection idle overnight...


[13:24] <JonathanD> hi
[14:11] <rmg51> morning
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> after emailing someone about something on craiglsist  i lost the link to the item i wanted to buy
[15:39] <MutantTurkey> :|
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> can I find it out somehow by their email address
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> also craigslist's page not found is a cosway
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> cowsay
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/sys/2850372167.html
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> lo
[15:45] <MutantTurkey> lol
[21:18] <jedijf> erstazi: any idea on my vbox seg fault?
[21:18] <jedijf> it works like 1% of the time


[06:02] <gouki> Are LoCo required to have the channels logged?
[06:04] <gouki> Let me rephrase that (it's 5AM). Are LoCo IRC channels required to have the channels logged?
[06:07] <pleia2> gouki: there isn't a project-wide mandate saying that, no
[06:09] <gouki> pleia2, got it. thank you.
[08:06] <Nik0> hi there
[17:16] <erUSUL> Nik0: you have problems with russian ip's too?
[17:17] <Nik0> no, they don't come on u-fr*
[17:18] <Nik0> in fact this ban is not a matter, cause russian have to go to -ru
[17:24] <Nik0> erUSUL, you should +d ppp152-128.tis-dialog.ru
[17:24] <Nik0> mibbit guy is ru
[17:25] <erUSUL> sigh :|
[17:26] <Nik0> +d *.tis-dialog.ru
[17:26] <ubot4> Nik0: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:26] <ubot2> Nik0: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:26] <Nik0> i don't think .
[17:28] <erUSUL> Nik0: lets see if that's enough
[17:29] <Nik0> erUSUL, that's not
[17:30] <erUSUL> :(
[17:31] <erUSUL> hope i do not have to do the same in the other two channels...
[17:35] <jussi01> errr... Nik0 +d is a realname ban...
[17:39] <m4v> jussi01: mibbit use hostmask for realname
[17:40]  * jussi01 sighs, headdesks and sighs again...
[17:40] <jussi01> Nik0: my apologies...
[17:51] <Nik0> :)
[17:58] <erUSUL> well i know have realname bans for an entire russian isp on my 3 channels... sigh
[17:58] <erUSUL> now*
[17:59] <Nik0> there is too much silly guy on world :)
[18:04] <erUSUL> Nik0: specially in russia it seems.. (i recall problems in #ubuntu-women discussed here with russians).  XD
[18:14] <Nik0> we have somes too :)


[03:59] <mhall119> bilal: I don't know what ddtp is, but yeah ask them to resubmit in english
[04:00] <stgraber> mhall119: debian description translation project, but yeah, doesn't work with PPAs
[05:58] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning
[05:58] <jvrbanac> Good morning
[06:00] <PaoloRotolo> Hi jvrbanac
[06:21] <PaoloRotolo> hi trkv
[06:22] <trkv> PaoloRotolo: hi Paolo!
[06:58] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dpm
[06:58] <dpm> morning PaoloRotolo :)
[06:58] <PaoloRotolo> :)
[07:02] <jvrbanac> Does anyone know what the policy is on Qt C++ apps that do not have a PPA and are not ready for packaging? Do we just toss it it back to them? Do we help them setup a their packaging? I'm not sure what to do with this app.
[07:12] <dpm> jvrbanac, in general, they should package their app, and if they need help doing it, I'd point them to the app-review-board mailing list. If it's an app for the contest, it won't qualify, as will not meed the "must be packaged in a PPA requirement", but once it's packaged, it can still make it to extras
[07:13] <jvrbanac> Ok thanks!
[07:23] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning dholbach!
[07:23] <dholbach> ciao PaoloRotolo
[07:23] <dholbach> come stai?
[07:23] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, bene :)
[07:23] <PaoloRotolo> grazie!
[07:23] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, tu come stai :)?
[07:24] <dholbach> anche bene, grazie :)
[07:24] <dholbach> solo un poco anco
[07:28] <PaoloRotolo> dholbach, ahah :)
[07:29] <dholbach> stanco
[07:29]  * dholbach is not awake yet :)
[07:29] <jvrbanac> add coffee :)
[07:31] <dholbach> yes
[12:18] <coolbhavi> good evening!
[12:27] <dpm> hey coolbhavi :)
[12:28] <coolbhavi> hey dpm :)
[13:40] <Phoenix87> hallo
[13:41] <coolbhavi> Phoenix87, hello
[13:52] <dpm> hi Phoenix87, are you the Gtumbler developer?
[13:54] <Phoenix87> dpm: yes
[13:54] <dpm> Phoenix87, I'm not sure if anyone got in touch with you already, but after discussing it, your app got finally accepted, congrats! :)
[13:55] <Phoenix87> dpm: yes mhall119 told me that. thank you very much! :D
[13:55] <dpm> cool
[13:55] <Phoenix87> dpm: if this is not asking too much, would it be possible to have gtumbler listed in the cotestants list?
[13:55] <Phoenix87> *contestants
[13:55] <dpm> Phoenix87, I'm doing that right now, no worries
[13:56] <Phoenix87> dpm: thank you very much!
[13:56] <dpm> Phoenix87, http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/apps/
[13:57] <Phoenix87> dpm: awesome! thanks a lot!
[13:58] <dpm> np, good luck in the contest :)
[15:21] <Phoenix87> dholbach: I've just received an email from you. Is it some sort of digest for the arb?
[15:22] <dholbach> Phoenix87, no, no digest
[15:22] <dholbach> but I received a lot of personal email due to exchanges about apps which I was unable to reply to
[15:22] <dholbach> I was just too busy going through all the submissions in the myApps queue
[15:23] <Phoenix87> dholbach: yeah I do understand :)
[15:23] <dholbach> tomorrow I'll be on holidays, which is why I sent those emails to the ARB list, so the people who had questions get a chance to ask somebody else
[15:23] <Phoenix87> dholbach: ok. thank you :)
[15:23] <dholbach> anytime
[17:02] <ShowMyFaves-man> hi, we are made the changes asked and give feedback on myapps.developper.ubuntu.com but we are in "witing developpers" on trello. Something we missed ?
[17:03] <mhall119> ShowMyFaves-man: it's just waiting for someone to move the card in response to your update
[17:03] <mhall119> sadly the trello isn't automatically updated
[17:04] <ShowMyFaves-man> arf it's a feature for trello ^^
[17:08] <ShowMyFaves-man> mhall119: we have made some changes on our project, but we don't commited those changes, because of rules of contests. Do we have to make a branch or can we push on trunk and judge take only the package before dead line ?
[17:11] <mhall119> ShowMyFaves-man: you can push to trunk
[17:16] <ShowMyFaves-man> mhall119: so the judges will only judge the sources that were pushed before the deadline ? because we had trouble with an import so we made the changes for the review which was asked by a reviewer, and we made a new version of the application. How will you know the difference between the changes that we made for the review, or the new features that we made out of the contest (the one which are not comitted yet) ?
[18:07] <george_e> mhall119: My application was moved to "waiting for developer" and I left a comment on the feedback page over on MyApps. Should I be concerned that the contents of the comment weren't sent to the mailing list?
[18:12] <mhall119> george_e: it'll get moved once someone goes back through
[18:12] <mhall119> I wish the comments would get send to the ML though, that would be helpful
[18:12] <george_e> I can send it myself if you would like.
[18:12] <mhall119> george_e: which app is this?
[18:12] <george_e> NitroShare.
[18:13] <mhall119> ok, moved it to "Reply from Developer"
[19:30] <mhall119> highvoltage: do Unity lens files and directories in /usr/share/unity/lenses/ need to have the 'extras-' prefix on them?
[19:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: yes, I believe so
[19:31] <mhall119> just extras- or extras-unity-
[19:31] <mhall119> ?
[19:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: afaik everything that's under /usr should have an extras- prefix. should be fine without the unity part.
[19:32] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[19:49] <mhall119> I'm afraid I may be getting the hang of this
[19:55] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[19:58] <mhall119> just sent stack-lens for a vote
[19:58] <mhall119> now I know how to make my community lens install to /opt/
[19:58] <mhall119> I'll need to update my quickly lens template too
[23:35] <Phoenix87> night!


[03:05] <Mspiggy> is this a help section
[20:38] <hybridvigour> hi y'all, is it possible/advisable to add edubuntu to lubuntu or would it defeat the low resources idea of lubuntu? (p.s. i am aware that lubuntu is not canonical supported)
[21:53] <mhall119> I think the edubuntu packages may depend on Gnome, in which case it would defeat the purpose, but you can install all the games on lubuntu


[14:11] <impaque> hey guys, quick question: how can i use the variables provided by the (cloudstack) metadata, such as local-hostname, in my scripts?
[14:11] <impaque> does cloud-init expose them somehow somewhere?
[14:12] <larsks> It does not, currently (wish it did!).  You can talk to the metadata service yourself using a simple HTTP api.
[14:12] <larsks> There is a 'cloud-init query' command, but it appears to be unimplemented at this time.
[14:14] <impaque> larsks: thanks!
[14:14] <impaque> although, i believe they *are* exposed in cloud-config scripts
[14:15] <impaque> from some coreOS page:
[14:15] <impaque> #cloud-config  coreos:   fleet:       public-ip: $public_ipv4       metadata: region=us-west
[14:15] <impaque> (merged to one line, but you get the idea)
[14:15] <impaque> hmmmm
[14:16] <larsks> Note that coreos has their own version of cloud-init.
[14:16] <impaque> ah :/
[14:32] <smoser> larsks, yeah, we need cloud-init query
[14:32] <smoser> so... impaque we will fix that for you in 2.0... its in the plans.
[14:32] <smoser> cloud-inti will expose (via json or versioned python module/access) objects to get you that stuff.
[14:36] <impaque> smoser: so basically, the only way to get that meta-data is by writing a module, if i get that correclty, via cloudinit.util?
[16:24] <weaseal> does anyone know if it is possible to detect AWS resources such as RDS, ELB, etc by only feeding in a VPC ID?
[16:24] <weaseal> using cloud-init
[17:40] <smoser> "detect" ?