[02:30] <Sekm> Q! what happens if I've had my sudoers replaced with another one and now no account can access it?
[02:36] <IdleOne> Sekm: see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[03:23] <Sekm> IdleOne: Thanks for that man, all sorted now
[03:23] <IdleOne> sure thing, glad it helped
[03:23] <IdleOne> Now stop messing with the sudoers
[03:23] <IdleOne> :)
[03:23] <Sekm> DONE
[03:24] <Sekm> oh, and you wouldn't happen to know how i could optain a list of packages i can download with apt-get would you?
[03:24] <IdleOne> umm a full list? there are over 25000 of them
[03:24] <Sekm> mhm... i just want to grep the mysql ones
[03:25] <IdleOne> apt-cache search mysql*
[03:25] <pedro3005> apt-cache search <name>
[03:25] <Sekm> oh wow thanks
[03:25] <IdleOne> that should give you a long list
[03:25] <Sekm> okay it did...
[03:26] <Sekm> but it gave me what i needed, thanks!
[03:27] <IdleOne> you should be able to redirect searches to a file if you really want to. apt-cache search <term> > ~/Desktop/searches.txt
[03:28] <Sekm> oh yea, cool cool
[03:28] <Sekm> does > put it to a file, and >> appended it if the file exists?
[03:28] <IdleOne> that will put the results in a text file on your Desktop but not sure you really need to
[03:29] <IdleOne> yup
[03:29] <Sekm> naw im just setting up automated configurations for servers, but learning linux simultaneously
[03:29] <IdleOne> excatly
[03:29] <IdleOne> exactly*
[03:30] <IdleOne> actually, no it overwrites the file
[03:30] <Sekm> ah yep, kay, good to know O_O
[03:31] <IdleOne> not sure how you would append to it.
[03:31]  * IdleOne is bad with bash :(
[03:35] <Unit193> >> does append (Let me try just to make sure)
[03:36] <IdleOne> it didn't for me
[03:36] <Unit193> It just did for me >_>
[03:37] <IdleOne> hmm
[03:37] <IdleOne> let me try again
[03:38] <IdleOne> lol yes it does.  :D
[04:53] <bioterror> RSA is going to change couple of SecurID tokens :D
[04:53] <philipballew> yeah. i was comntemplating setting up ssh on my desktop with eather a password or keys
[05:08] <sphika> hello
[05:11] <sphika> I recently had an issue with a video streaming software called veetle, so I decided to upgrade to the latest version to see if that would fix my problem. I ran "sudo sh" to install the program. Since then I have experienced a variety of issues, including, my ICEauthority can't be updated, the sound control can no longer communicate with the sound device, and I don't have the permissions to save files in gimp. Can anyone help me?
[05:20] <holstein> sphika: what did you install and how?
[05:20] <holstein> where did you get it
[05:21] <sphika> veetle -- it is a video streaming software. basically like a youtube player but through a specific company. I got it directly from their website.
[05:21] <akshatj> GUI app?
[05:21]  * holstein is on the site
[05:21] <sphika> I used the command sudo sh to install the file
[05:21] <holstein> sphika: what *exactly* did you get
[05:21] <sphika> no it isnt, it was through the console
[05:21] <sphika> you mean the filename?
[05:22] <holstein> however you would like to convey to me exactly what you got and where you got it from
[05:22]  * holstein is looking at http://www.veetle.com/index.php/download
[05:22] <holstein> i see 2 linux options
[05:22] <holstein> 4 actually
[05:23] <holstein> you got the client im assuming
[05:23] <holstein> and im assuming you DL'd the 'linux self contained installer'
[05:23] <sphika> yeah the .sh file that pops up
[05:24] <holstein> veetle-0.9.17-linux-install.sh ??
[05:24] <sphika> exactly
[05:25] <holstein> OK, so you ran sudo veetle-0.9.17-linux-install.sh in a terminal
[05:25] <holstein> what output did you get?
[05:25] <sphika> well, basically it came up like a text based installer
[05:25] <holstein> right... any errors?
[05:25] <sphika> and i was going through the user agreements quickly, and didn't realize until afterwards that it said they recommend against installing as root
[05:26] <philipballew> !ssh
[05:26] <ubot2> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[05:27] <sphika> which I assume I did as I used sudo to install
[05:27] <holstein> sphika: is there a support channel for it?
[05:27] <sphika> on freenode? I didn't look I guess.
[05:28] <holstein> i mean, without just breaking something here the same way, im not sure how i can help
[05:28] <holstein> it seems likely that this is the cause though
[05:28] <sphika> okay, well, thank you
[05:29] <holstein> sphika: i would say, try and look in the file
[05:29] <holstein> see what gets copied where
[05:30] <holstein> sphika: how do they say to uninstall?, and have you tried that?
[05:33] <sphika> holstein, yes, I tried to uninstall. it didn't seem to work.
[05:33] <sphika> the message it gives is "You are running this script as root. Veetle recommends against installing
[05:33] <sphika> on the superuser account. We suggest you press <Control-C> now and reinstall
[05:33] <sphika> on the user account you typically use to run Firefox or Mozilla.
[05:33] <sphika> "
[05:33] <holstein> sphika: another thing i would do before freaking out and reinstalling is to add a new user, and see how that user account seems
[05:34] <holstein> sphika: but you already installed sudo correct?
[05:34] <holstein> as sudo* as root ??
[05:34] <holstein> if you sudo installed, i would try sudo uninstalling
[05:35] <sphika> holstein, correct. you have to press enter to get through the EULA (repeatedly) and I skipped past that warning as a result
[05:35] <holstein> :/
[05:35] <sphika> yeah, pretty stupid of me.
[05:36] <holstein> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24634386-Heads-up-with-Veetle-and-Ubuntu-10.04
[05:36] <holstein> sphika: hey, it happens... now you know :)
[05:36] <holstein> I sudo chown'd the dir back to me, did a reboot, and PRESTO, no ICEauthority error, the volume buttons on my keyboard worked as well as the icon
[05:36] <holstein> ^^
[05:36] <holstein> that post is relevant for sure
[05:37] <sphika> yeah
[05:37] <sphika> now uh..
[05:37] <sphika> that whole chown thing, hows that work?
[05:37] <holstein> !chown
[05:37] <ubot2> An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[05:38] <holstein> cool... basically, permissions are messed up
[05:38] <holstein> things that your user used to have permission to access, now it cannot
[05:38] <holstein> and thats actually not a big deal to fix
[05:39] <sphika> ah i see
[05:39] <holstein> sphika: you can totally get back from this without reinstalling
[05:41] <sphika> well, so I basically run: chown root:root blahblah/.veetle ?
[05:41] <holstein> sphika: well, thats the idea
[05:41] <holstein> but i think you'll need to reclaim your own home directory
[05:41] <sphika> ah
[05:42] <holstein> *from that post "I checked the ownership of my home directory, and yep, it belonged to some other owner, with no name, just an id.
[05:42] <sphika> so chown root:root /home/ ?
[05:43] <holstein> i think its more like sudo chown sphika:sphika /home/spika
[05:43] <holstein> sphika: but feel free to wait on a 2nd opinion
[05:43] <sphika> gotcha
[05:43]  * holstein looking
[05:44] <holstein> yeah, you might need the -R flag... lemme look some more
[05:44] <sphika> trying that + restart
[05:44] <sphika> oh oka
[05:45] <holstein> yeah, -R is recursive
[05:45] <holstein> thats what you want SO...
[05:45] <holstein> sudo chown -R sphika:sphika /home/sphika
[05:46] <holstein> then, in theory, you reboot, and Robert is your mother's brother
[05:46] <sphika> chown: cannot access `/home/sphika/.gvfs': Permission denied
[05:47] <sphika> "I found the solution. Actually I ran the script as root. As per the forums of veetle if we run as root the permission of home directory changes to user id 1016 as I mentioned above. Running the script as normal user solves the problem"
[05:48] <holstein> sphika: OH... cool... so you are good now?
[05:49] <sphika> nope. just showing you something I found.
[05:49] <holstein> yeah, that installer is jive
[05:49] <sphika> it gave that output
[05:50] <holstein> sphika: so, make sure the .sh is executable
[05:50] <holstein> and run that as normal user
[05:50] <holstein> and maybe that fixes everything it broke :)
[05:51] <sphika> okey dokey. trying that.
[05:52] <holstein> well, video playback is smooth for me at least.. in chromium
[05:55] <sphika> holstein, it is fixed. you are god-tier. thank you.
[05:55] <holstein> sphika: COOL :)
[05:56] <sphika> you got about 50 karma points my friend.
[06:38] <philipballew> if i have dynamic ip's and i want ssh. i installed and configured my ssh server but how do i connect now?
[06:39] <bioterror> ssh user@computer
[06:39] <bioterror> ssh user@hostname
[06:40] <bioterror> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:40] <bioterror> if you have same username in both places
[06:40] <bioterror> then you can just ssh host
[06:41] <philipballew> well like i have ddns from no-ip.com and i configured that with ddwrt on my router and it is monitering my external ip address. but how is it gonna know what computer on my network to connect to
[06:44] <bioterror> make port forward
[06:44] <bioterror> daaaa :D
[06:44] <bioterror> basic natting things
[06:46] <stlsaint> philipballew: why cant you jsut ssh@ipaddress?
[06:46] <philipballew> stlsaint, my ip address change pretty often
[06:47] <philipballew> dynamic
[06:47] <stlsaint> philipballew: so make it static
[06:47] <stlsaint> philipballew: the router can handle that
[06:47] <philipballew> that cost money from my isp?
[06:47] <stlsaint> philipballew: ??
[06:47] <stlsaint> o_O
[06:48] <philipballew> if i want to assign a static ip address to my house its a few bucks
[06:48] <stlsaint> philipballew: your router, which you say you have ddwrt on (which would suggest you knew abit more about routing), can assign your local area ip to the ssh protocol (IE: port forwarding)
[06:49] <stlsaint> philipballew: and on the server set it to static
[06:51] <philipballew> hum. i have port 22 open right now. yeah. im pretty good at networking. but not great
[06:51] <philipballew> stlsaint,
[06:52] <stlsaint> philipballew: yes its open cause you are using ssh (unles you change that conf, ssh uses 22 by default)
[06:52] <stlsaint> philipballew: just because its open doesnt mean you are forwarding ssh protocol to your server ip
[06:52] <philipballew> yeah. but I still need to figure out how to connect to my computer from a different network. sorry
[06:53]  * stlsaint facepalms!
[06:53] <stlsaint> philipballew: alright here me out man
[06:53] <philipballew> okay :)
[06:53] <stlsaint> philipballew: you need port forwarding
[06:53] <stlsaint> philipballew: google it ;)
[06:54] <stlsaint> philipballew: you will then be able to do ssh@ipaddress (from outside your network(
[06:54] <stlsaint> )
[06:54] <philipballew> withour ddns?
[06:54] <stlsaint> philipballew: you are going to forward ALL ssh request to your server ip
[06:54] <philipballew> no. i have 2 desktops i want to be able to ssh onto
[06:55] <philipballew> and ill do it from my laptop
[06:55] <stlsaint> philipballew: so why did you say you had a ssh server? when really you have two desktops!
[06:56] <stlsaint> philipballew: either way the end result is still the same
[06:56] <philipballew> because i installed openssh-server!
[06:56] <philipballew> :)
[06:56] <stlsaint> philipballew: you can set one desktop to use port 22 and another to use port 2222
[06:56] <philipballew> i change my ssh confile on one of them
[06:57] <stlsaint> philipballew: question, are you using keys or password authentication?
[06:57] <philipballew> do i just need to assign static local ip's still?
[06:57] <stlsaint> philipballew: yes on the system and in the router
[06:57] <philipballew> so let me tell you what i think i need to do and you say if its right
[06:57] <stlsaint> alrighty.....
[06:59] <philipballew> assign static ip's to my local computers. cennect to my router and set up port forwording to my desktop dor the applaction ssh. and when im on a different network i ssh@myddnsdomain
[06:59] <stlsaint> basically
[07:00] <stlsaint> few minor suggestions
[07:00] <philipballew> go for it
[07:00] <stlsaint> 1. Set up local ips on the desktops
[07:01] <stlsaint> 2. On each system configure ssh to use a different port (you really need to be using key authentication cause you WILL be attacked sooner or later!!)
[07:01] <philipballew> i have rsa keys on my laptop ready to transfer :)
[07:02] <stlsaint> 3. In the router setup port forwarding to each different ip address using the ports you assigned (ok will explain the keys later)
[07:02] <stlsaint> 4. Now your ddns points to your public address and it does not care that you have seperate ports unless you specify them
[07:03] <philipballew> this is messin with my brain.  this is how im gonna change to a static ip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZsVSVf-4mc&playnext=1&list=PL5CA85340745475CA
[07:03] <stlsaint> 5. So after setting up port forwarding and local ips you can do ssh -p 2222 philip@myddns or -p 22 for whichever system you want (i suggest just using the public ip address really though)
[07:04] <stlsaint> philipballew: BOOOOOO!!!  Rough times man...rough times
[07:12] <philipballew> but your a better man now that youve seen the "documentation light"
[07:12] <stlsaint> philipballew: feel free to come back anytime, there are others here willing to help
[07:12] <stlsaint> ACK bioterror
[07:13] <philipballew> me and him talk sometimes
[07:13] <stlsaint> philipballew: i was a better man once i failed thousands of times!! lol
[07:13] <philipballew> i understand the feeling
[07:13] <philipballew> failure brings knowledge
[07:13] <stlsaint> philipballew: now i can setup ssh/port forwarding and keys in under 10 mins!
[07:14] <philipballew> how long did iy take you the first time?
[07:14] <stlsaint> philipballew: also if your interested in security might i invite you to try out denyhosts
[07:14] <stlsaint> philipballew: careful though as my first time using it i locked myself out of my server :D
[07:14] <philipballew> what is that
[07:15] <stlsaint> philipballew: well let me explain what might entice an attacker first,
[07:15] <philipballew> alright
[07:15] <stlsaint> philipballew: you are opening up a port on your network to the outside world, so if an attacker gets ahold of your public ipaddress, they are gonna see this open port and attack it
[07:16] <stlsaint> philipballew: i was getting attacked on my server from all over the world, china, bejing, san francisco, etc
[07:17] <stlsaint> philipballew: now of course with keys (and a little router work to prevent a ddos) they were unable to get into machine
[07:17] <stlsaint> philipballew: they all were using brute force dictionary attacks to guess my "root" password
[07:17] <stlsaint> philipballew: well i got tired of seeing these logs so i went with denyhosts
[07:17] <stlsaint> philipballew: denyhosts in a nutshell just blocks those ip's that attack me for a set period of time that i set
[07:18] <stlsaint> philipballew: i went with 7000000 secs ;)
[07:18] <philipballew> thats a long time!
[07:18] <philipballew> makes sence though
[07:18] <stlsaint> philipballew: yep
[07:18] <stlsaint> philipballew: you can tail the log and just watch the ip's get blocked left and right ;)
[07:19] <philipballew> i think tonight im gonna map out my network so i can see what my gateway is and what not so i can get everythong set up nicely
[07:19] <stlsaint> philipballew: you can also set to only allow certain ipaddress even access the network
[07:19] <philipballew> wow
[07:19] <stlsaint> philipballew: nmap/netcat is your best friend.....after google ;)
[07:19] <stlsaint> and netstat
[07:20] <philipballew> probably good for business
[07:20] <stlsaint> philipballew: yes but again be careful and read documentation, like i said i locked myself out the very first time but good thing the servers were right upstairs
[07:20] <philipballew> cant i just log into my router and see my gateway after i set it up
[07:20] <stlsaint> philipballew: you can see your gateway from terminal
[07:21] <stlsaint> ifconfig
[07:21] <philipballew> this is true
[07:22] <philipballew> where i live now the gateway/modem is also a wifi router
[07:22] <philipballew> att is kinda lime with their parts
[07:22] <stlsaint> philipballew: ssh is extremely versatile and useful man, no limits to what you can do with it
[07:23] <philipballew> haha. i need to figure out a way to have it go through 2 routers possibly
[07:23] <philipballew> ssh will help me though
[07:24] <stlsaint> philipballew: setup one router as router and another in "gateway" mode
[07:24] <stlsaint> well depending on what you are trying to do
[07:24] <philipballew> would that kill its wireless capability
[07:25] <stlsaint> one of them yea
[07:25] <stlsaint> well it will just forward whatever the first router is pushing out
[07:25] <stlsaint> so yes and now
[07:25] <philipballew> hum. id have to convince everybody else then to use my router who lives here then
[07:26] <stlsaint> philipballew: also for your preference you can probably just stick with setting the port in the ssh syntax: ssh -p 2222 philip@myddnsdomain and let the router do the rest
[07:26] <stlsaint> philipballew: why do you need ssh to go thru two routers?
[07:27] <stlsaint> unless you have too many folks and only one incoming connection
[07:27] <philipballew> the modem and router supplied vy my isp are in one physical unit at the house i live in
[07:28] <stlsaint> so you hook up routerA(isp) to routerB(personal)?
[07:28] <philipballew> phone line cat5out and router all in one
[07:28] <philipballew> yes i do
[07:28] <philipballew> yeah. its probably a bad isea
[07:28] <philipballew> idea
[07:28] <geirha> I'd set up B to be an access point, then everyone will go through router A.
[07:29] <stlsaint> as long as you have those two routers talkign correctly they will handle the ssh protocol forwarding
[07:30] <philipballew> stlsaint, yeah. the first router is kinda a lame router. but it can port forword
[07:31] <philipballew> geirha, access point in what way. I believe it already irt
[07:31] <philipballew> *is
[07:33] <geirha> philipballew: You turn off the dhcp server on it, then you connect the other router to it in one of the ethernet ports, instead of the uplink port. When someone connects to router B, they'll get ip from router A.
[07:33] <geirha> So you'll only have one layer of nat.
[07:34] <stlsaint> geirha: long time no speak, sup
[07:34] <philipballew> hum. looks do-able
[07:35] <stlsaint> very
[07:36] <philipballew> i need to figure this all out. as im pretty confused still
[07:36] <philipballew> haha
[07:36] <philipballew> heres port forwording on my first router http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/2wire/2701HG-B/
[07:39] <stlsaint> coalwater: sup
[07:44] <s0f7_mach1n> o/ hi
[07:45] <coalwater> hi stlsaint , s0f7_mach1n and every body
[07:45] <philipballew> hello s0f7_mach1n
[07:45] <s0f7_mach1n> o/
[07:45] <coalwater> just woke up, need to take a shower and go to work, yay.. not lol
[07:46] <s0f7_mach1n> any one know how to change the time format in irssi?
[07:46] <coalwater> whats irssi
[07:46] <coalwater> o ok, irc client
[07:46] <s0f7_mach1n> coalwater: terminal based irc client
[07:47] <philipballew> coalwater, terminal irc
[07:47] <philipballew> beat me to it...
[07:47] <s0f7_mach1n> id like it to dow Y-M-D--h:m
[07:47] <coalwater> i dont know, maybe ull find something that lets u set the format, like %H:%M etc
[07:47] <coalwater> i never used it before
[07:47] <s0f7_mach1n> been lookin but no joy
[07:48] <s0f7_mach1n> coalwater: wat client u use
[07:49] <coalwater> it says 'timestamp_format = %H:%M '
[07:49] <coalwater> xchat
[07:51] <coalwater> s0f7_mach1n, dont know how much help this should be, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings#timestamp_format_
[07:52] <coalwater> brb, need to shower before i fall asleep again lol
[07:53] <stlsaint> s0f7_mach1n: sup
[07:54] <s0f7_mach1n> nvm facepalm
[07:54] <s0f7_mach1n> brb
[08:20] <coalwater> hm he didnt sound happy lol
[08:20] <coalwater> morning krusi
[08:20] <krusi> morning
[08:40] <Duck_> So... I'm going to be traveling with my new ubuntu netbook. Is there anything you would recommend to do for protection on open wireless networks?
[08:40] <Duck_> Should I set up a firewall or something
[08:48] <coalwater> ubuntu already has a firewall, 'ufw'
[08:48] <coalwater> !ufw
[08:48] <ubot2> Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Gufw (GNOME)  and Guarddog (KDE Lucid and Maverick) also exist.
[08:48] <coalwater> anyway, need to run to work, be back in about an hour
[08:51] <krusi> don
[08:51] <krusi> don't enter passwords on unsecure pages/services etc.
[09:54] <coalwater> someone was asking about firewalls a bit ago, dont remember who, is he/she still here?
[09:55] <krusi> just left
[10:20] <kine_da> o/
[10:42] <coalwater> hi kine_da
[11:08] <Udonnome> can i use apt-get to install a driver?
[11:09] <bioterror> if its in a repository
[11:11] <Udonnome> ah,cant find it,maybe its not
[11:13] <stlsaint> bioterror: i can use yum to install a driver ;)
[11:14] <stlsaint> +1 yum
[11:26] <Udonnome> !yum
[11:26] <ubot2> Uh, don't you mean !apt ?
[11:38] <Udonnome> guys,if i use another linux distro,can i also install thet ubuntu software menager,it just seem very usefull to me :)
[11:40] <bioterror> what distro?
[11:40] <bioterror> which
[11:41] <bioterror> but USC is opensource, you can grab sources and compile it yourself if it doesnt exist already :D
[11:47] <E3D3> Hi, how can I disable the Shift+NumLock-shortcut ?
[11:47] <E3D3> I didn't see it in prefs > keyboards
[12:32] <s0f7_mach1ne> stlsaint
[14:14] <stlsaint> s0f7_mach1ne: yes
[14:16] <s0f7_mach1ne> how to display the user list on the right side of screen
[14:20] <stlsaint> script
[14:21] <stlsaint> s0f7_mach1ne: have at it: http://scripts.irssi.org/
[15:28] <s0f7_mach1n> test
[15:28] <Lemuel> +1
[15:28] <nlsthzn> fail
[15:29] <s0f7_mach1n> exit
[15:30] <stlsaint> new irssi users, gotta love'em :D
[15:30]  * nlsthzn strokes his x-chat and it purrrrrrrs back....
[15:31] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: boooooooo
[15:32] <nlsthzn> stlsaint: :p
[15:33] <akshatj> "No, I am not going to assist you in Fartville, stop the sockpuppeting already."
[15:53] <kristian-aalborg> how resource-intensive is LibreOffice?
[15:53] <kristian-aalborg> thinking of putting it on a P4 with 1.5 gigs of memory
[15:54] <bioterror> should work
[16:07] <holstein> libreoffice seems lighter weight than openoffice did to me
[16:07] <holstein> its no abiword...
[16:49] <Kimor> Hello - 2 newbie questions - 1) I have Jaunty installed, and I'd like to upgrade, but apparently I need to get an interim update for Karmic.  How can I upgrade to Karmic without reinstalling Linux?  2) When I print documents, black blocks replace characters randomly.  This is consistent with different fonts and file types.
[16:49] <Kimor> Any ideas?
[16:50] <holstein> Kimor: i would try the other ubuntu versions live, with that printer
[16:50] <Kimor> Well, I'd be happy to just update permanently - any suggestions on doing that?
[16:50] <holstein> if you are assuming upgrading will fix that issue... this should help you confirm that
[16:50] <Kimor> *nods*
[16:51] <Kimor> I'm guessing, but I'm not 100% sure.
[16:51] <holstein> personally, i would just backup my data, because you should do that anyways before upgrading, and just reinstall
[16:51] <holstein> you're talking about doing 2 distro upgrades at least
[16:51] <holstein> that could very well take 14 hours
[16:51] <Kimor> *nods*  I suppose that I could - I was just a little bit nervous about doing that because I had some issues installing it originally on this computer - I don't remember exactly what it is that I did in order to get the internet and sound working on here
[16:52] <holstein> AND, the repos are not active any longer for karmic, so, you'll have to be creative about it
[16:52] <Kimor> Fair enough, I suppose.   Do you think upgrading will help with the printer issue?
[16:52] <holstein> Kimor: again, reference the live CD's, and you should be able to determine how to get sound working, assuming it doesnt work out of the box
[16:52] <holstein> Kimor: i have no idea about the printer
[16:52] <Kimor> It doesn't - this is a rather odd laptop
[16:52] <Kimor> Alright
[16:52] <holstein> depends on who is making the driver
[16:53] <holstein> it very well could be the exact same driver you will be using
[16:53] <holstein> Kimor: is there a way to confirm its not a hardware problem with the printer?
[16:53] <holstein> does any other machine/OS use it successfully?
[16:53] <Kimor> Windows computers print to it fine
[16:53] <holstein> OK
[16:53] <Kimor> It's networked, if that changes matters
[16:54] <holstein> Kimor: i have forced other drivers in the past with decent success
[16:54] <holstein> i asssume you have googled?
[16:54] <Kimor> Yeah
[16:54] <Kimor> Nothing relevant came up
[16:54] <holstein> any active bugs?
[16:54] <Kimor> I didn't see any....
[16:54] <holstein> what is the printer?
[16:54] <Kimor> Lanier MP5000/LD205
[16:54] <holstein> and, if the printer was working, would you still want to upgrade?
[16:55] <Kimor> Probably, I guess
[16:55] <Kimor> I need to anyway
[16:55] <Kimor> For a variety of reasons
[16:55] <holstein> if so, then i say, go ahead and get the 10.04 live CD
[16:55] <holstein> and maybe the 11.04 live CD
[16:55] <holstein> try both of those and see
[16:55] <Kimor> *nods*  Alright.  Thanks!
[16:57] <holstein> if someone happens to notice Kimor come back
[16:57] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foomatic-db-engine/+bug/361772
[16:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 361772 in gs-gpl "black squares appearing instead of some letters when printing" [Critical,Fix released]
[17:49] <DiegoTc> hi guys
[17:49] <DiegoTc>  someone has experienced with git?
[17:49] <DiegoTc>  someone knows where I can find the ~/.gitconfig file?
[18:53] <billinvegas> good morning
[18:53] <billinvegas> (or afternoon - depending where you're located)
[18:54] <E3D3> Hi.  Miss my excuses to crack, program, R.E., Learn etc. Thanks.
[18:54] <billinvegas> is it appropriate to ask a question or two about DNS in this channel?
[18:55] <holstein> billinvegas: i say ask... and you might at least get reffered somewhere helpful
[18:56] <billinvegas> ok - thanks.
[18:56] <billinvegas> I'm trying to install Zimbra on Ubuntu server 10.04 - install part is fine, BIND is refusing to start
[18:57] <billinvegas> I'm using Zimbra to replace an existing mail server - DNS records in place - current mail server is visible to the 'net
[18:58] <billinvegas> my question is: does the new machine need the same FQDN as the old one to function?
[18:58] <billinvegas> i.e. as long as the MX records point to an IP (WAN side of my firewall) the firewall does NAT and forwards SMTP to an internal IP address
[18:59] <billinvegas> if the original mail server is say "mail.mydomain.com" - can the Zimbra install be "zimbra.mydomain.com"?
[19:00] <billinvegas> DNS Records should still point the traffic to my WAN IP, and if I forward the packets to the new machine (with either the same internal IP, or different) it should, or should not have the same FQDN as the A record?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> Anyone know how to make the Evoluent Vertical Mouse work with a ps/2 adapter?
[21:54] <E3D3> Hi, I installed & run a FTP file server as gEdit-plugin but don't no how to stop/exit it ?
[22:03] <holstein> E3D3: what is it?
[22:04] <holstein> E3D3: "pgrep _process_" then "kill -s 9 _pid from previous command_"
[22:04] <E3D3> I installed a plugin for gEdit to edit my site & dont no how to stop it
[22:05] <E3D3> Looks a little technical but assume I can make it easier to try that in my process explorer?
[22:08] <E3D3> holstein: Thanks, but also think I'm missing a more easy way. Ubuntu works to easy to learn much about the commands but I'll google it.
[22:14] <holstein> E3D3: i think kill is the command you are looking for
[22:18] <E3D3> holstein : Googling, read mannual & think I forget it afterward but I try to remember. Like to kill only the FTP server so needs its exact name. Bussy. Thanks
[22:18] <holstein> yeah.. the process id
[22:19] <E3D3> Its worked with kate, so I try again with the FTP-server (startup)
[22:19] <holstein> thats what pgrep "process" is for
[22:19] <holstein> sure.. go for it.. let me know when you are ready to kill that process :)
[22:20] <E3D3> We're heavy man ;-)
[22:25] <E3D3> Its hard to shift all that info before I can use it.
[22:29] <E3D3> Sorry man, don't see how pgrep can give me the id of its FTP-server plugin ?
[22:29] <E3D3> I dont need pgrep to kill gEdit
[22:31] <holstein> E3D3: what plugin are you using??
[22:31] <E3D3> FTP Browser
[22:31] <E3D3> pgrep doesn't recognize that name
[22:32] <E3D3> How can I see the id's of its children-processes
[22:32] <holstein> killing gedit does *not* kill the server?
[22:32] <E3D3> Don't know, but it the only thing I know to do . How to check ?
[22:34] <holstein> E3D3: well, i say run the command, and see if the server is still running
[22:34] <E3D3> I cant get the FTP dissappear
[22:35] <E3D3> If I open connection it always shows left it filemanager. No button to stop. Do you like to see the site from were i have the plugin.
[22:35] <holstein> dissappear?
[22:35] <holstein> fromthe window?
[22:36] <holstein> its a plugin right?
[22:36] <E3D3> Yes
[22:36] <holstein> you probably just hide or show it from within gedit
[22:37] <E3D3> It implied in a tab on the left. I can hide it but know nothing about the FTP status. Also I need that sidebar for other functions. Hiding does nothing.
[22:38] <holstein> where did you get the pluging?
[22:38] <E3D3> I search for the homepage because I'm bad in explain.
[22:38] <holstein> plugin*
[22:40] <E3D3> Here is the homepage of the plugin : http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/gedit-ftp-plugin-edit-documents.html
[22:41] <holstein> i believe this would be the 'home page'
[22:41] <holstein> http://code.google.com/p/gedit-ftp-browser/
[22:41] <E3D3> Yes but screenshot is little different
[22:41] <E3D3> less buttons
[22:42] <holstein> well, i assure you webupd8 is not maintaining that package
[22:42] <holstein> i would email over at that google code link and ask :)
[22:42] <E3D3> I have 5 instead of 2 ontop of file-manager window but no exit or stop.
[22:44] <E3D3> Thanks for your kind help. I like keep trying on #Ubuntu but afraid to annoy. Also read its not secure so beter not tell to often
[22:44] <AlphaPsi> What are the differences for wubi and the full install with the partioning?
[22:44] <holstein> E3D3: you're not annoying anyone, you're just asking for help on ubuntu channels for non-ubuntu software
[22:45] <holstein> which is fine, but if you get tired of waiting, as the maintainers
[22:45] <holstein> AlphaPsi: you can uninstall ubuntu in the 'add remove programs' area of windows when you do a wubi
[22:45] <geirha> AlphaPsi: wubi is nice for trying it out, but the install is reliant on that windows is in working condition.
[22:45] <holstein> maybe a little speed is gained from a native install
[22:46] <AlphaPsi> What else can be gained from a native install?
[22:47] <holstein> AlphaPsi: you'll look cooler ;)
[22:47] <holstein> nah... i would think maybe stability, and speed
[22:47] <holstein> but i cant confirm that
[22:48] <AlphaPsi> Hmm
[22:48] <holstein> and like geirha says, if something happens to windows, it will likely break both
[22:48] <E3D3> holstein: I didn't know that. Sorry. Do you know a channel voor developing in Ubuntu were I can try to find people who use this plugin ?
[22:49] <holstein> E3D3: actually, that was the first i had heard about the FTP plugin... looks handy... maybe someone in your loco?
[22:49] <holstein> http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[22:50] <geirha> AlphaPsi: If you want to go "all in", do a native install. If you just want to try it and see if it might be a usable OS for you, go with wubi.
[22:50] <E3D3> holstein: loco ? The gEdit-plugins are maybe to good, to much bling-bling, I'm in love for the second time with old gedit
[22:51] <geirha> a wubi install can be converted to a native install, though the procedure isn't the easiest in the world.
[22:51] <wereveal> greetings, working on a new install of lucid (installed by others) trying to run apt-get update or aptitude update (only have cli) and keep getting errors regarding GPG and so far have not found a definitive answer via Google how to proceed. Without the update, I can't seem to install anything. It also mentions "not a bzip2 file" - long time Gentoo user so this is rather new to me.
[22:51] <E3D3> holstein: okay. Thanks Bye & Good Luck
[22:51] <holstein> E3D3: o/ :)
[22:52] <holstein> wereveal: what is the exact error message?
[22:52] <geirha> holstein: btw, regarding your initial answer to E3D3's answer. kill -9 is never good advice.
[22:52] <wereveal> The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com lucid-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 (Justin?)
[22:52] <wereveal> that is one of them
[22:53] <seidos> geirha: is there a preferred method to killing a process that refuses to stop?
[22:53] <geirha> holstein: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/690415/in-what-order-should-i-send-signals-to-gracefully-shutdown-processes/690631#690631
[22:54] <holstein> geirha: well, thats was actually following up an ear full i got recently
[22:54] <holstein> personally, i run sudo killall whatever
[22:58] <holstein> but, im trying to get some work done
[22:58] <holstein> it was suggested to me to suggest the kill -9 method
[22:58] <holstein> geirha: i'll be glad to book mark that link though, and share it when the time comes :)
[22:58] <seidos> how long should a process be allowed to run that doesn't stop from a sigterm?
[22:58] <geirha> seidos: As long as it takes
[22:58] <geirha> If it doesn't die from a TERM signal, there's either a serious bug in the application, or in the kernel.
[22:58] <escott> seidos, just keep throwing signals at it. at some point it will be listed as zombie, at which point it is dead and won't use any additional resources
[22:59] <seidos> !sigkill
[22:59] <ubot2> Factoid 'sigkill' not found
[23:02] <escott> seidos, just look at man kill and try some other signals
[23:03] <geirha> escott: the right approach is reporting a bug
[23:07] <E3D3> Sometimes my file-picker (nautilus) show all the (normally) hidden folders. How come & how to set it back ?
[23:12] <geirha> E3D3: ctrl+h toggles it
[23:13] <E3D3> geirha: Thanks, I try it.
[23:13] <E3D3> geirha: Yes, You made me really happy. It was so annoying
[23:15] <E3D3> geirha: Its hard to remember milions of shortcuts (or where are my notes.) This one I write on the wall
[23:16] <geirha> It's also accessible from the View menu. View -> Show hidden files (or something like that)
[23:16] <geirha> At least on Ubuntu 10.04
[23:16] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[23:16] <E3D3> Didn't know were to look
[23:17] <E3D3> geirha: h = hidden files. Easier than Alt+. in Dolphin. Nive help & Good luck. Bye
[23:17] <kristian-aalborg> I'm going to make a custom OS for my sis, as I might have mentioned... I need the lowest maintenance distro possible, but I would like it to be reasonable up-to-date as well... which should I choose
[23:17] <kristian-aalborg> also, resources *do* matter
[23:23] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, you play with this kind of stuff too... are you a strict Ubuntu man?
[23:23] <geirha> That's kindof what Ubuntu is aiming for...
[23:23] <kristian-aalborg> geirha, this will start as a netinstall, then add LXDE and this and that... I'm going to build the desktop myself
[23:23] <neoncamouflage> Can you modify the partition you're currently using? Like delete a 2nd and expand the one you're using over the whole disk.
[23:24] <kristian-aalborg> I'm running a (slightly) custom Ubuntu+fluxbox now, and it's cool - but I'm thinking Debian might be just a tiny bit better
[23:26] <geirha> neoncamouflage: Some filesystems support that I think, but not ext[2-4] afaik.
[23:28] <escott> neoncamouflage, you can put an fs on top of lvm
[23:28] <neoncamouflage> Uh huh.... I'm thinking I need to learn more about partitions before I try this...
[23:28] <neoncamouflage> As I don't know what that means. XD
[23:29] <escott> neoncamouflage, you can also try and expand a partition with gparted (as long as it isn't mounted)
[23:29] <escott> neoncamouflage, lvm just takes the disk and breaks it into lots of smaller logic blocks
[23:29] <neoncamouflage> Well it would be mounted, as it's the partition I'm currently running my OS off of.
[23:29] <escott> that way you can grow the partition without having to worry about it being adjacent to another
[23:30] <escott> neoncamouflage, if its mounted there is basically nothing you can do, very few filesystems support that in online mode
[23:30] <neoncamouflage> Right now I have four partitions, I want to remove all but the main one my OS is on.
[23:30] <neoncamouflage> Ah, well that's a bummer
[23:31] <escott> neoncamouflage, but you can do all this from the livecd with gparted
[23:31] <neoncamouflage> Yeah, I just won't have that for around a week or so when I get more CDs to burn with. Was just being impatient.
[23:31] <neoncamouflage> Thanks for the help though
[23:44] <geirha> Use the ubuntu livecd or liveusb.. oh he left
[23:50] <wereveal> holstein: (and/or others) been doing more research. The errors regarding GPG signatures not being valid and not being able to get the bzip2 files are often attributed to a proxy server. I can download the bzip2 files directly using wget to the server but apt-get/aptitude won't. Does the proxy thing ring true?
[23:56] <geirha> If the proxy has a bug or is wrongly configured, that certainly sounds plausible.
[23:58] <wereveal> geirha: fun, I hate being asked to do something on a server I have limited access to and limited knowledge about regarding the network it is on. I don't even know if there is a proxy and the owner isn't giving me much info.
[23:58] <holstein> wereveal: maybe check out http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html ??
[23:58] <holstein> i remember someone the other day having that issue, and saying they were able to use synaptic i thought
[23:59] <holstein> anyways.. im out for a bit .. BBL
[23:59] <wereveal> thanks


 can anybody please hint petsc4py/ppc64el regressed in relase and Debian bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=969715 ?
 Debian bug 969715 in src:petsc4py "petsc4py: autopkgtest regression on ppc64el" [Serious,Open]
[06:40] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, hello, I see python-blinker has no rdeps now... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blinker/1.4+dfsg1-0.3ubuntu1 time to revert it? this means we can NBS cleanup python-nose and let it finally migrate
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[09:59] <doko> Laney, vorlon, rbalint: the new glibc makes some packages uninstallable (upper dependency), like libnss-db. However I don't see these mentioned in update_excuses or update_output. why not?
[09:59] <doko> rbalint, maybe don't update yet, so we can investigate
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[10:01] <doko> update_output_notst doesn't show these either
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[10:38] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, did you see my message wrt python above?
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[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> hello seb128, question: do you think openexr is worth an FFe?
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg> I already did the work on bileto, might be ready to publish
[11:41] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, hey, sorry but I don't know enough about the package to say
[11:42] <LocutusOfBorg> ack
[12:01] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openexr/+bug/1895134
[12:01] <LocutusOfBorg> if anybody wants to have a look...
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[13:52] <rbalint> doko, i've uploaded the no change rebuilds for the packages made uninstallable by glibc
[13:53] <rbalint> doko, nvidia-cuda-toolkit is pending
[14:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1054.58~16.04.1] (kernel)
[14:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: finalrd (bionic-proposed/main) [3~ubuntu18.04.0 => 6~ubuntu18.04.1] (no packageset)
[14:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: finalrd (xenial-proposed/primary) [6~ubuntu16.04.1]
[14:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: finalrd (focal-proposed/main) [5 => 6~ubuntu20.04.1] (core)
[15:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-1054.58~16.04.1]
[15:58] <vorlon> rbalint: a lot of new autopkgtests reported as regressions on i386 for glibc, do you know why given that we just had a glibc autopkgtest run?
[15:59] <vorlon> rbalint: (and it looks like these are actual i386 whitelisted packages, not false positives)
[15:59] <vorlon> Broken libc6-dev:i386 Breaks on libc6-dev-i386-cross:amd64 < none -> 2.31-0ubunt
[15:59] <vorlon> u9cross1 @un puN > (< 2.32~)
[15:59] <vorlon> are we missing an upload of the cross-toolchain?
[16:00] <seb128> vorlon, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/09/10/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t12:03
[16:00] <vorlon> k
[16:00] <vorlon> doko: ^^ is a cross-toolchain upload something you would help handle?
[16:04] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, please is it ok to hint petsc4py on ppc64el, given that is regressed in release please? (there is an RC bug open in Debian, see above)
[16:06] <rbalint> vorlon, i'm testing a fix
[16:06] <vorlon> rbalint: ok
[16:07] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: where do you see that it's regressed in release? all the recent tests against the release version seem to have passed
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, actually the release -4 is adding two new tests, run-tests-64, and run-demos-64, and the first is failing
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg> so, its broken in release, meaning that we never ran such tests there
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=969715
[16:14] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: so what about neutering the test on ppc64el instead, so we still get good test coverage from the others?
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm mark as flaky maybe? or you mean a return 0?
[16:15] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: either way
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> I was wondering about a force-reset
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> to avoid delta
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> but I can do it, sure
[16:19] <LocutusOfBorg> uploaded
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, FYI I'm about to upload a python-blinker in sync with Debian (so, dropping python2 package), this way python-nose can be NBS-cleanup and migrate, I hope it is ok...
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see any reverse dependency left now
[16:27] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: no FFe required for dropping the python2 package, certainly
[16:31] <rbalint> vorlon, i'll leave it for doko tomorrow, it builds for 4 hours anyway so i would not be around to test if my fix is correct
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, so, please NBS cleanup them both :D
[16:32] <LocutusOfBorg> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/blinker/1.4+dfsg1-0.3ubuntu2
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg>  /usr/include/libdap/xdr-datatypes.h:16:10: fatal error: rpc/types.h: No such file or directory
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> yay glibc!
[16:38] <LocutusOfBorg> how to break gdal via bad include headers...
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> rbalint, ^^ this looks like a serious glibc bug?
[16:48] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, port to tirpc
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg> what is that?
[16:48] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, transport-independent RPC library
[16:49] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, brand new thing from Sun :-)
[16:49] <LocutusOfBorg> ok, but this breaks lots of software...
[16:49] <LocutusOfBorg> https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=rpc%2Ftypes.h&literal=1
[16:50] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, just rebuilds, not built ones
[16:50] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, see LP: #1894434
[16:53] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm rbalint libdap is shown as good on that bileto, but every reverse-dependency of it is broken
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> meh I give up, I don't know how and what to fix...
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> no change rebuild libdap shows "checking for TIRPC... yes" so maybe it just works
[19:00] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: it's not NBS until it migrates
[19:30] <rbalint> LocutusOfBorg, there is a minimal proting guide at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SunRPCRemoval#Scope , but i'd like to get glibc migrated if it has no regressions instead of adding new entangled packages to the (non-)transition
[19:30] <rbalint> porting
[19:58] <vorlon> 9base/s390x is weird, why does an upgrade of glibc provoke a stack smash with a garbage backtrace
[19:59] <vorlon> well, fixed by a no-change rebuild of 9base
[20:04] <vorlon> but only if I rebuild against the new libc6-dev
[20:04] <vorlon> rbalint: ^^
[20:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [s390x] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52] (core, kernel)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52] (core, kernel)
[20:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [arm64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52] (core, kernel)
[20:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52] (core, kernel)
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-48.52]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [ppc64el] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-48.52]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [arm64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-48.52]
[21:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [s390x] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-48.52]
[21:14] <bdmurray> I can see disco test results for apport and autopkgtest but I can't actually access the log files. Is that expected?
[21:15] <bdmurray> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/a/apport/disco/amd64
[21:28] <vorlon> bdmurray: I believe the log files should have been deleted as part of EOL cleanup
[21:29] <vorlon> the most recent success for apport in disco should've been copied forward to the eoan page
[21:29] <vorlon> rbalint: LP: #1851263 looks like it should have a better test case description; perhaps documenting what was done in terms of archive-wide testing for the new glibc
[21:29] <bdmurray> Okay, the error message is "Unauthorized" which is confusing.
[21:33] <vorlon> huh not sure why it gives that message vs a 404
[21:34] <vorlon> I've put off cleaning up the database for EOL releases because it didn't seem critical in terms of resource utilization
[21:34] <vorlon> and there might be some stats we want to preserve
[21:35] <ahasenack> hi release team, gentle ping about an openldap FFe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openldap/+bug/1894838
[21:42] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: the petsc4py failure is different in Ubuntu and Debian.  In Debian, I suspect it's due to ucx support in openmpi.  In Ubuntu it looks like OOM to me
[21:43] <ginggs> any chance we could try petsc4py autopkgtests on the yuge instances?
[22:44] <bdmurray> ginggs: Do you mean the ones with more memory?
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted glibc [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.27-3ubuntu1.3]
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (focal-proposed) [1:20.04.26]
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1026.26~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [s390x] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1026.26] (core, kernel)
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-hwe-5.4 [arm64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-48.52~18.04.1] (no packageset)


[09:35] <airurando> morning all
[13:56] <airurando> goog afternoon everyone
[14:13] <fagan> yellow airurando


[01:36] <pleia2> unfortunately she didn't tell us what exactly to change it to :( I'll email
[01:39]  * pleia2 gets to UWN releasing
[02:08] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 411 for the week March 30 - April 5 , 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue411
[02:10] <ahoneybun> pleia2: any news about the Board positions?
[02:10] <pleia2> ahoneybun: not yet, the board just got the list to the CC this morning, so we'll review it this week
[02:13] <ahoneybun> cool
[02:13] <ahoneybun> thanks for the info
[02:14] <pleia2> sure


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[00:46] <mdeslaur> Unit193: sure we can, ask chad to do it, or file a bug perhaps
[00:56] <Unit193> Alrighty, got a recommended room or PM OK?
[00:58] <mdeslaur> Unit193: he's "qengho"...perhaps in #ubuntu-devel?
[00:59] <Unit193> mdeslaur: OK, saw on LP, thanks.
[01:02] <Unit193> Hopefully that's good. :)
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[14:24] <ngaio> Can someone please tell me what the deadline is for a package in Debian testing to be automatically included in Ubuntu Universe? Is it the date of the feature freeze?
[14:27] <Zhenech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze
[14:27] <Zhenech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule - 16th feb
[14:28] <ogra_> you will always be able to request a sync though ... it just wont happen automatically after that freeze
[14:30] <ngaio> Oh okay thanks! I have a package in Debian and I finally managed to fix an important bug and I want to be sure the fix will make it into trusty
[14:31] <ngaio> I mean to say, I am the developer of an application which is packaged by someone else in Debian
[14:32] <cjwatson> testing doesn't matter anyway
[14:32] <cjwatson> we sync from unstable
[14:33] <ngaio> I'll request the packager if he can have it into unstable before the 16th, thanks again!
[15:03] <michagogo|cloud> 16:32:13 <cjwatson> we sync from unstable
[15:04] <michagogo|cloud> Why is that?
[15:06] <michagogo|cloud> I mean, why pull packages that are labelled unstable and updatable, and freeze that version, setting it in stone as part of the release?
[15:06] <cjwatson> because that's not what unstable means.
[15:07] <cjwatson> it basically just means "changing".  but so is testing - just at a slower rate and the extra gating there doesn't really help us because we do our own very similar version of the unstable->testing process.
[15:08] <cjwatson> we tried syncing from testing and a large part of the effect was simply that it was more cumbersome and slower to get bug-fixes.
[15:09] <cjwatson> and some of the benefits of testing in Debian didn't actually end up helping us because of effects caused by rebuilding.
[15:09] <cjwatson> I am very supportive of Debian testing, but I also know exactly what that process consists of and how it does/doesn't help Ubuntu
[15:10] <cjwatson> packages that are fundamentally not in a state that might be releaseable in practice normally go into experimental, not unstable
[18:03] <michagogo|cloud> cjwatson: I wonder if it would be
[18:03] <michagogo|cloud> Er
[18:03] <michagogo|cloud> Meant to hit backspace, not enter
[18:04] <michagogo|cloud> I wonder if it would make sense to only auto-pull from unstable if an older version of the package exists in stable or testing
[18:05] <cjwatson> I don't think so.  New packages rarely do much harm.  (I realise that you care about a particular exception or two, but those are definitely the exception and not the rule.)
[18:06] <cjwatson> The vast bulk of new packages are things like new libraries needed for other things to build.  Holding them back until they reach testing would be cumbersome for very little gain.
[18:06] <michagogo|cloud> I know that some packages, e.g. Bitcoin, are unstable-only in Debian because it is/can be important to keep them updated
[18:06] <cjwatson> And those we can handle as exceptions.
[18:06] <cjwatson> It doesn't make sense to change the general rule for those very few cases.
[18:07] <michagogo|cloud> New libraries that are only in unstable that things that are in testing or stable need to build?
[18:07] <cjwatson> Varies.
[18:07] <cjwatson> And it doesn't make sense to introduce extra multi-day delays when it doesn't buy us much.
[18:08] <cjwatson> Honestly, we've gone over this a lot.
[18:08] <cjwatson> bitcoind was an anomalous and unusual case, not representative.
[18:08] <michagogo|cloud> Also, I haven't been able to find an answer to te question of what needs to be done to propose an update to the bitcoin packages that essentially disables them
[18:09] <cjwatson> I guess I don't understand how to answer that question without restating it.
[18:10] <michagogo|cloud> One thing that someone mentioned as a solution for the problem of the ancient versions being shipped in older releases was the possibility of an SRU (I think) that would essentially remove the functionality of the software
[18:11] <michagogo|cloud> Making it inert
[18:11] <cjwatson> Indeed.  But I don't understand what clarification to that might be useful to you.
[18:11] <michagogo|cloud> What form such an upgrade might take
[18:12] <michagogo|cloud> What the change would consist of
[18:12] <cjwatson> Wouldn't it basically delete the substantive package contents and insert some documentation of why the package was removed and what its users should do instead?
[18:12] <michagogo|cloud> That's my question.
[18:12] <cjwatson> s/removed/disabled/
[18:12] <cjwatson> Well, that's the best answer I can give.
[18:12] <cjwatson> (Without actually doing the work.)
[18:13] <michagogo|cloud> Do you know of any precedent, something that I could look at as a reference?
[18:13] <cjwatson> owncloud was the last example I can think of that called for something similar, although I don't remember whether the disablement was actually executed.
[18:14] <michagogo|cloud> Where would I find the relevant discussion?
[18:14] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/owncloud/1.1+git20110209-0ubuntu1.1 looks promising.
[18:34] <teward> Is it safe for me to make the assertion that the version of PCRE in Precise is not going to be updated, and therefore I can mark this nginx bug as "Won't Fix" in precise because the required PRCE libraries aren't going to be updated to 8.20 or greater?
[18:34] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/915344
[18:35] <teward> related pcre bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcre3/+bug/909109  (fixed in quantal and later)


[18:24] <harmw> smoser: I've tried that branch, doesn't work just yet
[18:24] <harmw> Ive got some preliminary debug results attached to the LP mergerequest


[05:06] <alkisg> Launchpad is down currently...
[05:06] <wgrant> alkisg: /topic
[05:06] <alkisg> Sorry, blind :D ...Maintenance 05:00 - 05:15 UTC
[05:12] <wgrant> We're back, but things might be slightly sluggish for a few minutes.
[13:17] <acheronuk> wget https://launchpadlibrarian.net/325593470/buildlog_ubuntu-artful-amd64.kreport_3.0.1+p17.10+git20170626.1244-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[13:17] <acheronuk> Connecting to launchpadlibrarian.net (launchpadlibrarian.net)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:443... connected.
[13:17] <acheronuk> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 503 Service Unavailable
[13:17] <acheronuk> 2017-06-26 14:16:35 ERROR 503: Service Unavailable.
[13:17] <acheronuk> and in a browser....
[13:17] <acheronuk> Content Encoding Error
[13:17] <acheronuk> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression.
[13:17] <acheronuk>     Please contact the web site owners to inform them of this problem.
[13:18] <Xeha> seems its a bit borked, same for me. also i dont get notifications of new build jobs which got uploaded. guess we gotta wait
[13:30] <darkblue_b> hi all - our team lead has a Launchpad PPA for the set of python-related things we need.. can someone do a little hand-holding so I can get oriented ?   I do know how to code, just not a Luhcnpad user
[13:31] <darkblue_b> (I believe the working one is here)  https://launchpad.net/~gcpp-kalxas/+archive/ubuntu/jupyter
[13:32] <cjwatson> acheronuk,Xeha: investigation is underway, sorry for not noticing this earlier
[13:32] <cjwatson> darkblue_b: I suggest going through https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA first, and then you can ask if there's anything you don't understand after that
[13:34] <darkblue_b> hm first off, how would you .. an experienced person, decide if pyke is included in that
[13:34] <darkblue_b> (I doubt the tutorial has that)
[13:35] <darkblue_b> one dot-deb can contain any amount of python, in any order I would think
[13:35] <cjwatson> I'm not quite sure what you mean
[13:35] <cjwatson> are you asking about searching the contents of a given .deb?
[13:35] <darkblue_b> is python pyke library included in any of those dot-debs?
[13:35] <cjwatson> I would download it and do dpkg -c foo.deb | grep ...
[13:36] <darkblue_b> ok yes, thx.. trying
[13:36] <cjwatson> though it can be quicker to look at build logs
[13:36] <darkblue_b> where are build logs ?
[13:36] <cjwatson> you may want to wait a bit - one of our file servers is having trouble at the moment
[13:36] <darkblue_b> oh ouch
[13:36] <cjwatson> linked off each build under "View package details"
[13:39]  * darkblue_b on hold
[13:44] <mdeslaur> is something wrong with the builders? all my packages I uploaded to the security team PPA failed without build logs
[13:47] <cjwatson> we just had a librarian incident
[13:47] <cjwatson> I'll retry everything affected in a bit, but I may not be able to see security uploads, so go ahead and retry those
[13:47] <cjwatson> I think the librarian is out of the woods now
[13:48] <mdeslaur> thanks cjwatson
[13:48]  * mdeslaur lights a candle for librarian
[13:55] <cjwatson> all retried now
[13:59] <mdeslaur> thanks!
[14:47] <SimonKLB> hey, im having trouble logging in with a new account on launchpad, anyone here that can take a look?
[14:47] <SimonKLB> Error ID: OOPS-26f110905cd92dd7aeb5835055b6755a
[14:47] <ubot5`> https://oops.canonical.com/?oopsid=OOPS-26f110905cd92dd7aeb5835055b6755a
[14:55] <cjwatson> SimonKLB: I'll have to wait for our OOPS analysis system to catch up with that, but I can fix it after that.  I can email you when it's done if you like?


[00:15] <tumbleweed> l3on: looks good, I'll upload it. Please state your intention to nmu (nmudiff --delay=2) and pts-subscribe to the package (for a limited time)
[00:16] <l3on> tumbleweed, nmudiff --delay=2 ? how ?
[00:17] <tumbleweed> nmudiff is like submittodebian, you run it inside the unpacked source
[00:28] <ajmitch> stgraber: does the isc dhcpv6 client work properly on ppp links?
[00:29] <stgraber> ajmitch: no idea how ipv6 works on PPP, my guess is that the point to point /64 should be handled by ppp itself, then your /48 or /56 routed over it without using dhcpv6
[00:30]  * ajmitch saw a mailing list thread about ppp support in the isc client from august, there was a patch submitted back then
[00:30] <ajmitch> I know that dhcpv6 works with the wide-dhcpv6-client, as that's what I use at home
[00:30] <ajmitch> just wasn't sure if the ipv6/ppp patch made it into the version you want tested :)
[00:31] <stgraber> ah, ok, well, there were a lot of fixes for ipv6 in the new package, but if the patch was pushed in august, it likely made it to 4.2, not 4.1
[00:31] <ajmitch> ok
[00:53] <l3on> tumbleweed, bug debian 660041
[07:33] <Whoopie> Hi, what needs to be done that the vpnc package is synced from Debian?
[07:35] <micahg> Whoopie: requestsync -e -d unstable vpnc
[07:36] <Whoopie> micahg: hehe, and who could do that? The Debian version now supports my Fritzbox router so that I don't have to maintain my own package in my PPA.
[07:37] <micahg> Whoopie: you can run that if you have ubuntu-dev-tools installed, it'll ask you to explain why it needs a feature freeze exception
[07:37] <micahg> then if the release team approves, it'll go in the sponsorship queue
[07:38] <Whoopie> micahg: ah, nice. Didn't know that. Thanks.
[07:38] <micahg> being that'd we'd much prefer stuff in distro than in PPAs, it will probably be approved
[07:39] <micahg> and that it's mostly bug fixes, we're right after feature freeze and a bunch of other reasons
[07:39] <micahg> but IANA release team member, but will be happy to sync it once it's approved
[07:53] <Whoopie> micahg: lp #937548 opened
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <micahg> Whoopie: thanks
[07:53] <micahg> dholbach: good morning
[07:55] <dholbach> hey
[15:39] <tkennedy> Having some issues with creating a binary package and the upstream tarball has one python script for creating documentation
[15:40] <tkennedy> can any one help me figure this out
[15:40] <tumbleweed> tkennedy: it helps if you tell us what the problem is
[15:40] <tkennedy> was just waiting for a response before I spit out the details....thansk for responding
[15:42] <tkennedy> basically when I run pbuilder I get this error:
[15:42] <tkennedy> /usr/bin/python "./html.py" -d . csd.xml > csd.html || (rm csd.html; exit 1)
[15:42] <tkennedy> Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:42] <tkennedy>   File "./html.py", line 15, in <module>
[15:42] <tkennedy>     import pprint
[15:43] <tkennedy> ImportError: No module named pprint
[15:43] <tkennedy> but I can run that python script manually without issue
[15:43] <tumbleweed> where is pptrint.py?
[15:44] <tkennedy> it's appart of the python package
[15:44] <tumbleweed> oh, sorry :)
[15:44] <tumbleweed> one of those modules I don't use much
[15:45] <tumbleweed> err ever
[15:45] <tkennedy> I thought that maybe it was a dependancy that wasn't installed but it is
[15:45] <tumbleweed> are you build-depending on python?
[15:46] <tkennedy> well the main part of the package is native code
[15:46] <tkennedy> but there is just this python script to build the documentation
[15:46] <tumbleweed> right, so it needs python to build
[15:46] <tkennedy> so I guess in a way it would need python support in the control file
[15:46] <tkennedy> but there are other import modules in the python script that don't error out
[15:47] <tumbleweed> no, you don't need python-support if you aren't shipping python modules
[15:47] <tumbleweed> chances are you have python-minimal installed in your chroot, and that's why you can import some modules
[15:47] <tkennedy> well by support I meant dependancy
[15:47] <tumbleweed> but your package must build-depend on everything it needs
[15:47] <ScottK> python-minimal is essential in Ubuntu.
[15:47] <ScottK> So it's certainly there.
[15:47] <tumbleweed> indeed :)
[15:48] <tkennedy> right. Like I said I can run the script manually and it runs just fine
[15:49] <tkennedy> I'm not sure why pprint module is causing this issue
[15:49] <tumbleweed> tkennedy: pprint isn't in python-minimal
[15:49] <tumbleweed> and you aren't build-depneding on python, which is what you need
[15:50] <tkennedy> so I need to add python to the list of dependancies then
[15:50] <tumbleweed> yes
[15:56] <tkennedy> ok that got me past the python issue
[15:56] <tkennedy> thanks
[16:30] <mdomsch> o
[16:45] <tkennedy> ok having another issue now with pbuilder and building that same package.
[16:45] <tkennedy> Now I get this error
[16:45] <tkennedy> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin': No such file or directory
[16:45] <tkennedy> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/bin debian/openconnect//usr/ returned exit code 1
[16:45] <tkennedy> make: *** [binary] Error 2
[16:45] <tkennedy> dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2
[16:45] <tkennedy> E: Failed autobuilding of package
[16:45] <tkennedy> my rules file just has this
[16:45] <tkennedy> %:
[16:45] <tkennedy> 	dh $@ --list-missing
[16:52] <tkennedy> I know what the error means, but I'm not sure why it's trying to cp to a directory that it didn't create
[16:52] <tkennedy> I'm a noob to packaging...been reading the PackagingGuide for a few days
[16:53] <tkennedy> what I'm trying to build is probably a bit advanced for a noob
[16:54] <tkennedy> Just in case someone is actually reading this I'll go over what I've been doing thus far.
[16:56] <tkennedy> I want to create a package for openconnect-3.15 to put in my PPA. So I downloaded the 3.02 source from universe like so:
[16:56] <tkennedy> apt-get source openconnect
[16:56] <tkennedy> which got me openconnect_3.02
[16:56] <tkennedy> then I did uscan --verbose to get the latest code from the watch file
[16:56] <tkennedy> then I did uupdate to apply the latest code
[16:56] <tkennedy> checked the changelog like this dch -e
[16:57] <tkennedy> Modified the control file to add python2.7 to the build dependancies
[16:57] <tkennedy> then ran debuild -S -sa
[16:57] <tkennedy> then ran pbuilder build openconnect_3.15-0ubuntu1.dsc
[16:58] <tkennedy> thats when I get the error
[16:59] <tkennedy> the 3.02 source rules file expects to make two packages I think. one binary and one dev library.
[16:59] <tkennedy> I think I did away with that when I edited the rules file and just left the default rule in there for autobuild
[17:02] <dholbach> for finding issues like this I'd recommend to build locally (just 'debuild' - not with pbuilder) to figure out what exactly was installed where and find which paths might have changed
[17:03] <tkennedy> it results in the same error
[17:04] <dholbach> sure, but you can inspect debian/tmp and see where files are actually installed to
[17:04] <dholbach> so you can update your debian/<binarypackage>.install files, etc.
[17:09] <tkennedy> so the debian directory reference would be within the source package correct?
[17:10] <tkennedy> or maybe it's under /tmp/source_name
[17:11] <tkennedy> nevermind I found it
[17:16] <tkennedy> so under debian/tmp/ there is no bin directory
[17:16] <tkennedy> just an sbin directory
[17:18] <tkennedy> so the old .install file for 3.02 has it getting installed in usr/bin but the debuild is putting it in usr/sbin
[17:22] <tkennedy> why does debuild want to put it in usr/sbin rather than usr/bin
[17:22] <tkennedy> clearly the 3.02 Makefile has an install: section where it's copy to /usr/bin
[17:26] <tkennedy> so I guess I could fix this one of two ways. Either modify the newer Makefile.in and copy over the install: section from the old Makfile or edit the .install file under debian and change the path to /usr/sbin
[17:26] <tkennedy> I'm not sure which is the more correct way to go
[17:35] <Ampelbein> tkennedy: you should change the debian/install file, upstream most likely knows best where it's stuff should go.
[17:44] <tkennedy> good point. In the case of an upgrade would apt/dpkg auto remove the old version or do I need to take care of that in POST-INST script
[17:45] <Ampelbein> It would be automatic
[17:49] <tkennedy> ok. thanks.
[17:49] <tkennedy> after making the change to the debian/install file debuild ran without issue and created the package
[18:03] <stefanct> before filing a FFE (or normal sync requests in the future) id like to compile the debian source package. i tried setting up a debian unstable mirror in sources.list and pinned the packages (via origin) to priority -10. the problem is now: how to tell apt-get source the right mirror? -t unstable does not work (Ignore unavailable target release 'unstable' of package ...)
[18:05] <jtaylor> stefanct: you should try and build it in ubuntu not unstable
[18:07] <stefanct> jtaylor: sure that's what i wanna do. but i thought getting the existing debian source package is the easiest way to get started?
[18:07] <jtaylor> you can get it easily with pull-debian-source from ubuntu-dev-tools
[18:08] <jtaylor> dget'ing the dsc also works
[18:08] <stefanct> i knew about dget, not pull-debian-source. great, thank you.
[18:32] <orbisvicis> I'm getting a bunch of "Cannot open: No space left on device" when building a package using pbuilder
[18:33] <orbisvicis> since none of my partitions are running out of space, I assume the chroot has a fixed size
[18:33] <orbisvicis> how do I increase it ?
[18:33] <jtaylor> pbuilder uses the root filesystem
[18:33] <jtaylor> sure there is enough space?
[18:35] <orbisvicis> i though it used whatever BUILDPLACE is, /var/cache/pbuilder/build/
[18:35] <orbisvicis> yes
[18:36] <orbisvicis> oh it is probably a write error (cannot open), pdebuild didnt obtain root privileges probably
[18:37] <orbisvicis> shouldn't it ask ?
[18:37] <orbisvicis> iirc
[19:03] <orbisvicis> it seems to be a problem with dpkg-source called by dpkg-buildpackage called by pdebuild
[19:06] <orbisvicis> dpkg-source: info: building php5 using existing php5_5.3.6.orig.tar.gz
[19:06] <orbisvicis> tar: php-5.3.6/scripts/dev/generate-phpt/tests/gtErrorTestCaseFunctionTest.php: Cannot open: No space left on device
[19:12] <orbisvicis> hmm maybe I don't have space...
[19:12] <orbisvicis> probably some xfs fragmentation issue
[19:35] <soren> ?!?
[19:35] <soren> xfs fragmentation issue?
[19:46] <orbisvicis> soren: yeah not enough contiguous blocks for additional inodes
[20:04] <broder> hmm...i wish there was an easy way to generate a reverse-dependency tree for a single package
[20:04] <broder> i wonder if reverse-depends should do that
[20:04] <broder> i guess i can probably script it easily enough
[20:04] <soren> broder: apt-cache dotty?
[20:04] <broder> soren: is there any way to filter that, though? i *really* don't care about the dependency graph for the whole archive...
[20:05] <soren> "apt-cache dotty <the package>"
[20:05] <broder> that's forward dependencies
[20:05] <soren> Oh, you wanted rdeps. Sorry.
[20:06] <tumbleweed> broder: that'd be best done server-side (reverse-deps)
[20:06] <soren> broder: In that case:
[20:06] <broder> tumbleweed: yeah, that'd certainly be better
[20:06] <soren> broder: apt-cache --recurse depends <whatever>
[20:06] <tumbleweed> and it would very easily get massive...
[20:06] <broder> whoa...soren wins
[20:07] <broder> (--recurse rdepends also works)
[20:07] <tumbleweed> neat, didn' tknow that
[20:07] <soren> Turning that into a queryable tree structure is left as an exercise to the reader.
[20:07] <broder> soren: the tree isn't actually important. i mostly just want a list of packages
[20:07] <soren> broder: Sorry, meant rdepends of course. Mistyped :)
[20:07] <broder> so sort -u is sufficient
[20:07] <soren> Cool beans.
[20:07] <soren> Enjoy.
[20:22] <soren> orbisvicis: You think that's more likely than being out of disk space?
[23:36] <jtaylor> wtf hdf5 has a 7mb source package and a 13mb debian diff oO
[23:36] <EvilResistance> sounds like its huge :P
[23:37] <jtaylor> omg uuencoded docs
[23:37] <EvilResistance> o.O
[23:42] <jtaylor> does arm{el,hf} have something equivalent to x86 cpu caches (L1-3=
[23:45] <jtaylor> because the pytables non86 failures seem to be related to their in memory compression for cache hit improvement
[23:45] <jtaylor> would probably make sense to just disable that on those arches
[23:46] <jtaylor> unlikely to have much effect anyway on slower cpu's
[23:48] <jtaylor> ffs "Unfortunately, you cannot disable blosc in PyTables"


[00:12] <oth1nspe4r> hi
[00:12] <oth1nspe4r> anyone here know of some cool audio creation software for ubuntu
[09:51] <asac> hi
[10:00] <asac> Ubulette: just looking at seamonkey 1.1.7 branch ... last commit is not release ... so is rev 124 the revision to upload?
[10:32] <asac> Ubulette: hmm ... bzr branch is still UNRELEASED for me here
[11:30] <armin76> !info seamonkey
[11:30] <armin76> *g*
[11:30] <armin76> !help
[11:30] <ubotu> Package seamonkey does not exist in gutsy
[11:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:31] <armin76> doesn't exist?
[11:32] <armin76> !info firefox
[11:32] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 (gutsy), package size 8969 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[12:23] <asac> hmm ... strange
[12:45] <Ubulette> hi
[12:46] <Ubulette> !info seamonkey hardy
[12:46] <asac> Ubulette: hey
[12:46] <Ubulette> suspense
[12:46] <ubotu> seamonkey: The Seamonkey Internet Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 92 kB
[12:46] <Ubulette> ah, here it is
[12:47] <Ubulette> asac, use the branch mentioned in control file
[12:48] <Ubulette> and take the tarball from revu: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/seamonkey-0712072200/seamonkey_1.1.7+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz
[12:50] <Ubulette> .dev rev128
[13:05] <Ubulette> asac, ?
[13:13] <asac> Ubulette: i have the tarball ... i don't see the branch though
[13:13] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev is still 125
[13:14] <Ubulette> hmm
[13:18] <Ubulette> asac, pushed
[13:21] <asac> ok now lunch
[13:21] <asac> :/
[13:39] <Ubulette> about system cairo 1.5.4, i've built ff3/xul with it, i've used it and it seemed ok until i hit a completely corrupted display for a very big page
[13:39] <Ubulette> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev/revision/fta%40sofaraway.org-20071202191541-qv0b67nhqvt0mzb1?start_revid=fta%40sofaraway.org-20071207195256-06yto5nq8v0619kb
[13:39] <Ubulette> 100% reproducible
[13:40] <Ubulette> i've upgraded to a non-system cairo, it's perfect.
[13:41] <Ubulette> so either it's a regression in cairo 1.5.4 compared to the one in mozilla (1.5.2-55) or it's a missing moz patch of some kind
[14:25] <asac> Ubulette: yes, vlad said its only available in latest cairo head since a week
[14:26] <Ubulette> cairo-1.5.4.tar.gz	05-Dec-2007 02:26 	3.1M
[14:27] <Ubulette> other than that, i have no problem with that cairo on my main desktop
[14:27] <Ubulette> i had to add pixman to build-deps everywhere though :P
[14:49] <Ubulette> asac, did you push seamonkey ?
[15:04] <Ubulette> asac, i merged valgrind yesterday. bug 175175
[15:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175175 in valgrind "Please merge valgrind 3.2.3-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175175
[15:33] <Volans> Hi, I'm administrator of Italian forum. I developed a Firefox extension to quickly browse sections provided by Italian Community. Extension is published on Mozilla Addons Sandbox, I would like to know if you think it is possible to include it into Universe repository. I asked in #ubuntu-motu and they suggest to ask first here.
[15:37] <asac> Volans: yes ... we will review which extensions are packaged for hardy
[15:38] <asac> can you submit a whishlist bug against the firefox-3.0 package please?
[15:38] <asac> (if the license is OK)
[15:38] <Volans> ok, the required license is GPL?
[15:39] <asac> Volans: any dfsg free license would be sufficient
[15:41] <Volans> ok, I have only to check some 16x16 gif used in menu entries
[15:41] <Volans> for the licence
[15:41] <asac> Volans: yes thanks.
[15:43] <Volans> I will ask you when I am sure of the licence
[15:44] <asac> sure
[15:44] <Ubulette> asac, so, what about sm ?
[15:44] <Volans> thanks for the suggestions
[15:45] <asac> Ubulette: currently doing ... sorry, had a phone call
[15:45] <asac> have rev 128
[15:45] <asac> Ubulette: md5sum ../tarballs/seamonkey_1.1.7+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz
[15:45] <asac> 1d9904d37bd0898ab217286419f01a74  ../tarballs/seamonkey_1.1.7+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz
[15:45] <asac> is that correct (i downloaded it this morning from revu)
[15:46] <Ubulette> asac, yes
[15:47] <asac> ok
[15:47] <asac> producing bits and pushing
[15:47] <asac> hmm xul 1.9 b1 failed in gutsy for some reason (ppa)
[15:47] <asac> looks like an nss issue ... hmm
[15:48] <asac> does b1 use system nss?
[15:48] <asac> hmm ...  i thought not
[15:49] <Ubulette> worked in my ppa
[15:49] <Ubulette> compare logs
[15:50] <asac> Ubulette: ok uploading ... please close the bug
[15:50] <asac> (once the package is building)
[15:52] <Ubulette> sm ?
[15:53] <Ubulette> or what ?
[15:53] <asac> yes
[15:54] <Ubulette> set fix committed
[15:58] <asac> thx
[16:31] <Ubulette> asac, tell me when it's done
[16:31] <asac> sm is uploaded
[16:32] <Ubulette> excellent, thanks
[16:38] <asac> hmm somehow xul thought it should use system-nss
[16:38] <asac> though its an mt package
[16:48] <asac> strange our DEV_PACKAGE_INDICATION test in debian/rules is wrong ... apparenlty has always been wrong ... hmm
[16:56] <Ubulette> asac, btw, i've had runtime issues with different libnss
 $ firefox-3.0
 Couldn't load XPCOM.
 hmm
 $ prism
  /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b2pre/xulrunner-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b2pre/libxul.so: symbol CERT_TimeChoiceTemplate_Util, version NSSUTIL_3.12 not defined in file libnssutil3.so.0d with link time reference
[16:57] <Ubulette> that was with head nss and xul from my ppa (built with system cairo and a month old system nss)
[17:01] <asac> Ubulette: well ... as long as it doesn't happen with current nss tag i won't be too scared
[17:02] <Ubulette> what i mean is that maybe the soname will have to be bumped
[17:07] <asac> Ubulette: you sure you didn't build with newer nss then running?
[17:17] <asac> Ubulette: ok i pushed the cleaned up gnoem-python patch to xulrunner-porting
[17:17] <asac> someone in motu channel wanted to talk to you for miro xulification
[17:17] <asac> (i think the last mergee)
[17:49] <asac> Ubulette: valgrind uploaded. thanks
[17:50] <asac> oh ... its not a new tarball ... hmm
[17:51] <asac> damn
[17:51]  * asac doing a quick reupload
[17:51] <asac> lets hope it was quick enough
[17:56] <Ubulette> thanks
[18:03] <asac> Ubulette: hmm ... too late ... the orig upload was already accepted ... hmm
[18:03] <asac> why didn't it complain about the orig?
[18:04] <asac> hmmm ... maybe uplaoding new origs is not a problem if the md5sum matches
[18:04] <asac> anyway ... appears to be in now
[18:05] <Ubulette> asac, I'm sure. my ppa contains 3.12.0~cvs20071121 while i was running 3.12.0~cvs20071206
[18:05] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... it was definitly the bad match for non-final packages
[18:05] <Ubulette> asac, depends on where you took your tarball.
[18:05] <asac> its now fixed
[18:05] <asac> i took it from debian ... apparently the right one
[18:06] <Ubulette> oh, ok then
[18:06] <asac> i will wait till the build succeeds before uploading next b1
[18:07] <asac> ... so we apparently already use system-nss/nspr for hardy :) ?
[18:07] <Ubulette> ?
[18:08] <asac> hmm ... apparently not :) ... but that was mere luck becaue the wrong match matched that upload :)
[18:09] <asac> ok i assume that the xulrunner-1.9 builds now properly
[18:09] <asac> pushing to bzr that change i made
[18:18] <Ubulette> asac, here it why of the lcd cairo patch http://david.freetype.org/cleartype-patents.html
[18:20] <asac> interesting
[18:21] <Ubulette> prism is still NEW(bin) after 3+ days :(
[18:21] <asac> wasn't it newed on friday? saying 3+ days is 7days math :)
[18:23] <Ubulette> NEW src, now NEW bin
[18:24] <asac> its last in the list ... next time archive admin touches NEW packages it should go in
[18:25] <Ubulette> it has been touched twice in the last 3 days, it's still at the bottom
[18:27] <asac> bottom is top :)
[18:40] <asac> oh dear ... why is there a .net thing in main that depends on gtkmozembed :)
[18:48] <Ubulette> flood of commit emails
[18:51] <Ubulette> i thought i would have merged that
[19:08] <asac> that was to gutsy branch
[19:09] <asac> can't remember that i used overwrite
[19:09] <Ubulette> -i+you
[19:09] <Ubulette> (of course)
[19:39] <Ubulette> asac, wtf ? valgrind failed on lpia
[19:39] <Ubulette> checking the glibc version... unsupported version
[19:39] <Ubulette> configure: error: Valgrind requires glibc version 2.2 - 2.6
[19:40] <Ubulette> same on i386
[19:40] <Ubulette> it built fine for me
[19:41] <Ubulette> Preparing to replace libc6-dev 2.6.1-6ubuntu2 (using .../libc6-dev_2.7-4ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[19:41] <Ubulette> hmm
[20:45] <Ubulette> asac, I've fixed the ftbfs of valgrind
[20:46] <Ubulette> how should I proceed now ? post a debdiff ?
[21:05] <Ubulette> asac, i've attached the fix to bug 175175
[21:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175175 in valgrind "Please merge valgrind 3.2.3-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175175
[21:46] <jimmy_> ping asac
[21:47] <jimmy_> asac: i am here
[21:48] <cwong1> asac: ping
[23:05] <Ubulette> asac, ping ?


[06:18] <konrados> Hi. I'm looking for a very simple thing - in my kubuntu's taskbar  I'd like to see a cpu monitor, as an icon, similar to this one here : (yes, this is Windows) : https://images.techhive.com/images/idge/imported/article/ctw/2013/11/12/win8boost_taskman_tray-100390701-orig.png The most popular - indicator multiload doesn't seem to work with kde :(
[06:18] <konrados> or this list - am I right that everything there is for gnome? - https://itsfoss.com/best-indicator-applets-ubuntu/
[06:21] <konrados> that's a bit crazy, I already spent an hour on this o.O
[06:22] <konrados> haha wait!
[06:23] <konrados> I think I have it, I just clicked "add widget" and there it is... I didn't think about "widgets", I was googling "kde cpu meter icon tray blah blah" :P
 (Photo, 1089x1042) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/HOJ2m1T2/file_3816.jpg
[08:37] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:43] <de3pt0r> eww, KDE Dashboard Scrolls very slowly with mouse (libinput problem?)
[08:44] <de3pt0r> In Arch, this fixed, not sure on Kubuntu. "uninstall xf86-input-libinput, this will fall back to xf86-input-mouse, etc"
[10:19] <To24> Hi! Is there any "log" for this IRC channel?
[10:19] <Unit193> !logs
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:23] <sieben_> hello, questions only at #kubuntu-offtopic?
[12:29] <hateball> sieben_: support questions go here
[12:29] <hateball> #kubuntu-offtopic is for general chit-chat
[17:26] <reservado> Hi
[17:26] <reservado> I need help, i am using kubuntu 17.10 and some key combinations (Ctrl+X - Ctrl+Z) are not working
[17:36] <reservado> ?
[18:08] <bedtime-sleep> Is there a way to use a search box (for Google/Duckduckgo...) in Konqueror?
[18:09] <bedtime-sleep> I've been looking and have not found anything. I have the extension 'search' added, but I cannot figure out how to add it to the toolbar.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> bedtime-sleep, not many users run konqueror anymore, and afaik rekonq has replaced it as a browser
[18:28] <BluesKaj> but Firefox is now the default in Kubuntu
[18:31] <bedtime-sleep> Thanks BluesKaj. I prefer Konqueor as it has better customization; rekonq doesn't even seem to have the global menu. :/
[18:37] <bedtime-sleep> Well, I'm going to give it a second change; I hadn't really tried it out fully.
[18:37] <bedtime-sleep> chance*
[18:58] <bedtime-sleep> Sticking with Konqueror; Rekonq seems like a step back. I just ran an html 5 test: Rekonq 279pts vs Konqueror 517—not even close.
[19:04] <bedtime-sleep> I'm surprised, Konqueror even beats out all other browsers on this test!
[19:04] <bedtime-sleep> :D
[19:29] <rafael__> hi everyone!
[19:29] <rafael__> some Brazilian in here?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> bedtime-sleep, interesting, konqueror is so unclear when it comes to importing bookmarks, but i do know it's a fast browser. I did use it a lot back in the KDE3 days
[19:44] <manolo> hello
[19:45] <manolo> How can I connect to the wacom chatroom? this is what I should do, but I'm not sure about where I should type that http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/IRC
[20:40] <benbloom> super noob question (not kubuntu but linux related): When copying from one device to another using dd, does the data go directly from one device to the other if they're connected to the same hub? is there a good explaination somewhere online about how data is passed between busses and trees (is that the right terminology?)


 He tries to be helpful.
[01:42] <IdleOne> Guess that hit home
[01:44] <chu> Wow, I need a ban like I need some form of acknowledgement. Lonely must be lonely.
[01:48] <HandsomeJack> yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
[02:40] <rww> oops
[02:40] <rww> @login
[20:38] <rww> 20:38:17 -!- Irssi: User: nhj [hellyeah] (KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://kvirc.net/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:38] <rww> 20:38:17 -!- Irssi: Ban against $a:hellyeah matches hellyeah
[20:38] <rww> (for when nhj gets in here)
[20:39] <rww> ikonia: that would be yours ^
[20:40] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic nhj asked about his #ubuntu ban, redirected to #ubuntu-ops
[20:40] <nhj> hey
[20:40] <nhj> am i banned from ubuntu?
[20:40] <rww> yep
[20:40] <rww> looking up reasoning now, sec
[20:41] <nhj> sure
[20:41] <nhj> i didnt join ubuntu about two moths
[20:42] <rww> looks like it was because of your behavior back on New Years, and subsequent rejoins despite being banned
[20:42] <rww> do we need to rehash said behavior, or do you remember it?
[20:43] <nhj> honestly i dont remember
[20:44] <rww> nhj: starts about here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/12/31/%23ubuntu.html#t11:29 , your nick at the time was hellyeah
[20:45] <nhj> yep i use hellyeah at freenode
[20:45] <rww> tl;dr: repeated bad language despite warnings
[20:45] <nhj> yep sorry about dad
[20:46] <rww> !guidelines
[20:46] <nhj> just ubuntu behaved weirdly and i couldnt finish my work i am sorry for this
[20:46] <rww> have a read over those, check you're fine with following them, and let me know whether you are
[20:47] <nhj> okey i will read it if it is possible can you remove that
[20:47] <rww> if you agree to follow those guidelines after reading them, then I'll remove your ban, yes
[20:47] <nhj> sure
[20:47] <rww> (i.e., go read them now and then i'll remove it)
[20:47] <nhj> okey thanks for your time
[20:50] <nhj> i read it and agreed
[20:51] <rww> Okays. You should be able to join and talk in #ubuntu now. Please bear in mind that if you get pulled out again, it might be harder to get back in again.
[20:52] <rww> Have a good day :)
[20:53] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops nhj re: BT#60949, agreed to !guidelines, removed ban
[20:53] <rww> @clearban 58993


[05:35] <andystar> Hi.
[05:37] <andystar> Is there anybody out there?
[06:06] <MooDoo> no one here but us chickens ;)
[06:17] <c> andystar: hello
[06:46]  * andystar who is c?
[06:47] <Mikaela> some staffer it seems
[06:49] <MooDoo> ah thought I was going nuts when I saw that


 Fwd from Linuxgram: ExTiX, the Ultimate Linux Operating System, Is Now Based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS  http://news.softpedia.com/news/extix-the-ultimate-linux-operating-system-is-now-based-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts-520774.shtml
 Fwd from Linuxgram: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/04/will-you-upgrade-to-ubuntu-18-04-lts-poll
 @nanasklinux, chrome ni dlm sstgh distro takleh guna tgk Netflix.. ada plugin yg tak cukup