[00:00] <IdleOne> Nafallo, I am running alpha4 8.10
[00:00] <IdleOne> if you don't know the answer don't be a tool about it
[00:02] <Nafallo> I don't actually...
[00:02] <Nafallo> should be either preferred applications or some of the links in /etc/alternatives I'd imagine.
[00:02] <bdrung> i am running intrepid too, but in a virtual machine ;)
[00:03] <IdleOne> just seems strange that firefox is the official browser used by ubuntu but epiphany loads up when clicking on a link
[00:03] <Nafallo> not really
[00:04] <bdrung> IdleOne: did you look into gnome-default-applications-properties?
[00:04] <Nafallo> if it's alternatives it's likely to be the last browser installed that sets it.
[00:12] <asac> hmm ... thats the second time that someone reported that epiphany took over ;)
[00:50] <[reed]> asac: it's chpe's evil plot
[01:00] <asac> absolutely ;)
[12:49]  * asac yawnsd
[15:41] <daggett> hello
[15:41] <daggett> anyone can tell me how to use the thunderbird tool to suppress spam from folder ?
[15:42] <daggett> mine is inactive
[15:42] <daggett> and I can't use it, but sometimes I can use it and dont know why
[15:44] <asac> daggett: ?
[15:44] <asac> you need to enable spam filtering
[15:44] <asac> there is an option in the menu somewhere
[15:45] <asac> daggett: in account settings -> junk settings
[15:46] <asac> there you can configure adaptive junk mail
[15:46] <asac> remember that youz need to train tbird first
[15:46]  * asac break
[15:48] <daggett> asac: thanks but it's already active, in fact this option used to be available, but since some update it's greyed most of the time and sometimes it's available
[15:49] <daggett> I don't understand this behaviour
[15:49] <daggett> it should not be greyed at all any time
[15:54] <daggett> asac: ok I suppressed the .thunderbird folder in my home and all went back to normal
[15:55] <asac> daggett: suppressed? what does that mean?
[15:55]  * asac afk
[15:56] <daggett> rm -rf /home/daggett/.thunderbird
[15:56] <daggett> asac: that's what I did
[15:56] <daggett> I made a copy of that folder just in case
[15:56] <asac> thats not suppress, but remove ;)
[15:56] <asac> daggett: if .thunderbird matters, then you are not using ubuntu builds
[15:57] <daggett> well... yes
[15:57] <asac> better ask in mozilla support channels
[15:57]  * asac afk for real
[15:57] <daggett> ok thanks
[15:57] <daggett> are there any mozilla IRC channel ?
[15:58] <asac> on irc.mozilla.org #thunderbirfd
[15:58] <asac> on irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird
[16:00] <daggett> ok thanks
[17:32] <fta> hi
[17:34] <asac> hi
[17:39] <fta> what's up ?
[17:40] <fta> asac, i see you have activated the plugin pref, does that mean the ui is ready?
[17:40] <asac> no. but the pref works ;)
[17:40] <asac> the ui is also just a matter of doing. all issues are sorted
[17:40] <asac> well ... not all, but all blockers imo
[17:42] <asac> i hope to get all new features in by feature-freeze + 1w
[17:43] <asac> unfortunately, as it looks now, kde-integration will not make it
[17:43] <asac> its better done in 3.1 anyway
[17:44] <fta> i wanted to do a 3.1+qt but i'm not sure how
[17:44] <asac> fta: does it work?
[17:44] <asac> i mean in general?
[17:44] <fta> supposed to
[17:44] <fta> i has been merged in trunk
[17:44] <fta> it
[17:45] <asac> is that in libxuL?
[17:45] <asac> or did they move that to a separate component?
[17:46] <asac> oh i completely forgot about one important feature ;)
[17:46] <asac> the unbranded browser thing :)
[17:46] <fta> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ff3qt.png
[17:47] <asac> nice
[17:48] <fta> it's activated using --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-qt instead of our cairo-gtk2
[17:48] <asac> yeah. most likely it really is libxul where this ends up in
[17:48] <fta> yes
[17:49] <asac> fta: do they have their own theme?
[17:49] <asac> e.g. kdestripe?
[17:50] <asac> or are they using the old winstripe theme thing?
[17:52] <fta> seems it uses gnomestripe
[17:53] <asac> good
[17:53] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/index.cgi/mozilla-central/rev/4a506fa751d8f89f0abc93662cb5ad805b9f24c5
[17:53] <asac> so most likely still depends on gtk?+
[17:53] <asac> e.g. ldd on libxul.so ?
[17:56] <fta> i wanted to do it like totem. ie, totem is a metapackage for totem-gstreamer (default) and totem-xine
[17:57] <fta> not sure about -dev
[17:57] <fta> will it work for both ?
[17:57] <asac> let me get the tree
[17:59] <fta> hmm, http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/firefox-qt-packages-hit-kubuntu.html
[18:00] <fta> should we let that diverge ?
[18:01] <asac> no
[18:01] <asac> that guy needs to be get in here ;)
[18:01] <fta> it's apachelogger
[18:01] <fta> hm, it's a plain ff build, not ff+xul
[18:02] <asac> fta: yeah ... i just summoned him in -deve
[18:02] <asac> l
[18:11] <asac> i wonder if there is a tool to split .so files post-linkage
[18:14] <fta> sounds crazy
[18:14] <asac> yeah probably is
[18:14] <fta> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-flock-web-browser-in-ubuntu-hardy.html
[18:17] <asac> fta: is your package working?
[18:18] <fta> no, it's 1.2, i did 2.0
[18:18] <asac> kk
[18:19] <fta> 1.2 is based on ff2
[18:20] <asac> xulrunner doesnt support qt yes. just firefox
[18:20] <asac> at least the build probably fails
[18:20] <fta> hm ?
[18:20] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40209/
[18:20] <asac> no qt toolkit in there
[18:21] <asac> so the XLIBS will miss during linkage i guess
[18:21] <asac> ifneq (,$(filter gtk gtk2 xlib,$(MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT)))
[18:21] <asac> -> ifneq (,$(filter qt gtk gtk2 xlib,$(MOZ_WIDGET_TOOLKIT)))
[18:21] <asac> (most likely)
[18:21] <fta> it was expected, as usual
[18:21] <asac> well. maybe it works. but looking at make files it looks like that block is for "linux/unix" in general and not for just gtk
[18:22] <asac> anyway. what i think is that we can build everything as normal and then try to redo libxul.so by rebuilding those subtrees with tweaked variables
[18:23] <asac> and toolkit/library of course
[18:23] <asac> at least worth a try
[18:23] <asac> then we can divert libxul.so by the -qt package
[18:24] <asac> hmm toolkit/remote needs to be rebuild as well as it seems
[18:24] <asac> why do we need toolkit specific remote things?
[18:24] <asac> its just X iirc
[18:25] <asac> hmm widget/qt/ as well ... too bad
[18:25] <asac> well ... the module appears to have its own namespace
[18:25] <asac> so we can just built it and link it into the qt thing
[18:25] <asac> (should work quite out of the box)
[18:26] <fta> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/08/serious-javascript-performance-boost-for-firefox-31/
[18:32] <fta> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roadmap/archives/2008/08/tracemonkey_javascript_lightsp.html
[18:38] <asac> i finally have to figure if i can do the anti-flash detection kit thing
[18:42] <asac> hehe
[18:42] <asac> i should really setup my development environment again. building packages to test a single line is just bad
[18:43] <asac> fta: is there a mozilla-central branch for 1.9.0 branch`
[18:43] <asac> ?
[18:43] <fta> i don't think so
[18:43] <fta> it's still in cvs
[18:43] <asac> apparently not
[18:44] <fta> hm, i still see that bzr upgrade warning
[18:44] <asac> fta: yeah. that wont go away until we upgrade i guess
[18:44] <asac> fta: you have a fast line?
[18:44] <fta> yes
[18:45] <asac> hmm. i think i should do it from within the canonical net
[18:45] <asac> fta: can you create backups from the branches that we want to upgrade?
[18:46] <asac> ill do backups too .. in case something goes wrong
[18:46] <fta> you mean, on lp ?
[18:46] <asac> and then run bzr upgrade
[18:46] <fta> or locally ?
[18:46] <asac> no .. i mean: bzr branch the latest to your disc
[18:46] <asac> locally i think#
[18:46] <asac> fta: well. you can also push them to ~fta
[18:46] <asac> ;)
[18:46] <asac> let me create a ssh key on an internal  machine
[18:49] <asac> fta: ok. lets try with https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[18:49] <fta> good, they didn't reject my bug 260627
[18:50] <asac> that one is old and small ;)
[18:50] <asac> i took a backup on the canonical machine
[18:50] <asac> let me know when you did your backup ;)
[18:50] <asac> then ill run bzr upgrade lp~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[18:50] <asac> and see how far we get
[18:51] <fta> done
[18:51] <asac> fta: bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 is new enough?
[18:51] <asac> i think thats what --default is
[18:51]  * asac running  bzr upgrade --default lp:~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head
[18:52] <fta> default is good
[18:52] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/40218/
[18:52] <asac> fta: so if you branch it to a new place it should be upgraded
[18:54] <asac> fta: ok worked. a fresh branch is pack-0.92 now
[18:54] <asac> fta: what branch next? xulrunner-1.9.1? or another low-risk branch?
[18:55] <fta> hold on, i have a xul1.9.1/ff3.1 update in progress
[18:55] <asac> sure
[18:56] <fta> it still says dirstate-tags
[18:56] <fta> or should i wait more ?
[18:57] <asac> fta: what still says that?
[18:57] <asac> fta: you sure you got it through ssh?
[18:58] <fta> bzr info
[18:59] <fta> hhm
[18:59] <fta> ix:~/tmp$ bzr branch lp:~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head songbird.head.new
[18:59] <fta> Server is too old for streaming pull, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)
[18:59] <fta> Branched 23 revision(s).
[19:00] <fta> ok, format: pack-0.92
[19:00] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40220/
[19:00] <asac> yeah
[19:00] <asac> yeah strange that message ;)
[19:00] <asac> but i think we cannot fix it serverside
[19:00] <asac> ok ... one more branch?
[19:00] <asac> or maybe a list of branches?
[19:01] <fta> i still need to upgrade locally
[19:01] <asac> lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.hardy
[19:01] <asac> lp:~mozillateam/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x.gutsy
[19:01] <fta> yep
[19:02] <asac> lp:~mozillateam/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x.hardy
[19:02] <asac> lp:~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x
[19:02] <asac> hmm ... that one should probably go to mozillateam or die
[19:02] <asac> anyway
[19:02] <asac> lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.dev
[19:02] <asac> ok ... lets try those for now
[19:02] <asac> tell me when you havbe them backed up safely
[19:05] <fta> huge tarballs..
[19:05] <asac> wow
[19:05] <asac> firefox-3.0.hardy
[19:05] <asac> ages ;)
[19:06] <asac> yeah ... even on canonical machine its still running ;)
[19:07] <asac> i think i should better run the upgrade in a screen
[19:07] <asac> i am sure i'd get a disconnect in such a long running operation
[19:08] <asac> fta: you know if i can remove a passphrase from ssh key post-creation?
[19:09] <asac> ah ... with -p
[19:09] <asac> ok ill try that
[19:10] <fta> yep
[19:10] <asac> ok ... is your backup gone?
[19:10] <asac> err done ;)
[19:10] <asac> for the four branches above ?
[19:11] <fta> 3/4
[19:11]  * asac starts the screen, waiting for green light
[19:12] <fta> done
[19:12]  * asac runs: for i in  "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x.gutsy" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x.hardy" "lp:~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x"; do  echo bzr upgrade --default $i; bzr upgrade --default $i; done
[19:12] <asac> hmm ... maybe set -e would have been smart
[19:12] <asac> anyway ;)
[19:12] <asac> lets hope
[19:13] <asac> *drumrolls*
[19:14]  * asac gets more frightens as he sees a progress bar appearing
[19:14] <asac> "Copying contents into repository"
[19:15] <asac>  lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.hardy -> done :-D
[19:15] <asac> \o/
[19:16] <asac> fta: wanna verify that its not broken?
[19:16] <asac> maybe try if a pull will upgrade your "original copy"?
[19:16] <asac> or if we need to branch from scratch now to get pack-0.92 locally too
[19:16] <asac> hmm. you probablydont have a normal .hardy copy
[19:16] <asac> anyway
[19:17] <asac> lp:~mozillateam/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x.gutsy -> done 1
[19:17] <asac> 2 ;)
[19:20] <asac> ok ... next on list are:
[19:21] <asac> "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/XPI.TEMPLATE" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/XPI.TEMPLATE" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/BOT.TASKS" "lp:~mozillateam/flock/flock.head"
[19:21] <fta> as i said above, a pull does not upgrade the local branch
[19:21] <asac> yeah. that makes sense as a push doesnt do that either
[19:22]  * asac getting backups of those
[19:23] <asac> fta: let me know when you have them as well
[19:23] <asac> for i in  "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.gutsy-backports" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.1.head" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/XPI.TEMPLATE" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/XPI.TEMPLATE" "lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/BOT.TASKS" "lp:~mozillateam/flock/flock.head"; do  echo bzr branch $i; bzr branch $i; done
[19:26] <asac> i thik i forgot BOT in that list. but that branch is probably new pack anyway
[19:27] <asac> ok let me know. i am waiting for your command
[19:28] <fta> done
[19:28] <asac> ok running upgrade
[19:32] <fta> lunch time
[19:33] <asac> fta: lunch? are you in US?
[19:33] <fta> i mean, diner
[19:33] <asac> hehe
[19:33] <asac> enjoy
[19:39] <asac> for i in "lp:~mozillateam/iceape/debian-1.1.x" "lp:~mozillateam/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x" "lp:~mozillateam/kazehakase/kazehakase" "lp:~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts" "lp:~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts.intrepid.0.08.1" "lp:~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devtools" "lp:~mozillateam/nspr/nspr.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/nspr/nspr.dev" "lp:~mozill
[19:39] <asac> going for that huge batch now
[19:39] <asac> doing backup first
[19:42] <asac> ok ... given that the other branches worked well i assume that the backup i am having is good enough
[19:46]  * armin76 yawns and stabs asac
[19:46] <armin76> bumb!
[19:47] <asac> armin76: there is nothing left to bump ;)
[19:47] <asac> mission accomplished: "grand world bump"
[19:49]  * asac goes for for i in "lp:~mozillateam/prism/prism" "lp:~mozillateam/prism/prism.dev" "lp:~mozillateam/rosetta/po2xpi" "lp:~mozillateam/songbird/songbird.head" "lp:~mozillateam/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/sunbird/iceowl.debian-0.x" "lp:~mozillateam/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x" "lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/icedove-branding-2.0.0.x" "lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/icedove-2.0.0.x" "lp:~mozi
[19:50] <asac> po2xpi doesnt need upgrade
[19:51] <asac> songbird.head awas already done before
[19:54]  * asac upgrades those
[20:43] <asac> fta: ok. ia m going for the xulrunner ones now
[20:43] <asac> (the last)
[20:45] <asac> ok including miro that is:
[20:45] <asac> for i in "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.hardy" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.dev" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1.head" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.head" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-2.0.head" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.gutsy-backports" "lp:~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-porting" "lp:~mozillateam/democracy/miro.trunk" ; do  echo bzr branch $i; bzr branch $i; done
[20:45]  * asac goes for it
[20:45]  * asac creates the backups
[20:47]  * asac final upgrade run ;)
[20:49] <asac> urgh ... i think the sync to http server doesnt like the upgrade for some branches :/
[20:49] <asac> fta: ^^
[20:49] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev
[20:53] <asac> hmm firefox-3.0.dev wasnt upgraded
[20:53] <asac> looks like i didnt do that branch
[20:53] <asac> creating backup and upgrading too
[20:54] <asac> ok ... the branches that are broken during syn are ok over ssh
[21:08] <asac> fta: ok final branches are now in upgrade
[21:08] <asac> i think there should be everything migrated in a few minutes
[21:08] <fta> good
[21:08] <asac> if you find a branch through bzr+ssh that isnt upgrade let me know ;)
[21:08] <asac> the branches currentyl upgrading are: bzr upgrade --default lp:seamonkey/2.0; bzr upgrade --default lp:seamonkey;  bzr upgrade --default lp:ubufox
[21:09] <asac> also i told the bzr launchpad crew that we broke their http syncs ;)
[21:09] <asac> the latest upgrades dont even show up in the "error" way like the others
[21:09] <asac> so i guess the syncher gave completely up
[21:10] <asac> ok all finished ;)
[21:11] <asac> you can see all upgraded branches by the warning sign on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam
[21:11] <asac> fta: ^^
[21:11] <asac> ;)
[21:11] <asac> well ... all but the last 8 i did
[21:11] <asac> because of the reason i gave above
[21:11] <fta> looks ugly
[21:11] <fta> :)
[21:12] <asac> yeah ... but for me it still works through ssh
[21:12] <asac> i also tried to do bzr diff -c REVISION
[21:12] <asac> for a few
[21:12] <asac> and they worked
[21:12] <asac> i still have the backups ;)
[21:12] <asac> if you find a bug let me know :(
[21:12]  * asac wonders if we should make the backup more redundant
[21:13] <asac> ok i tarr that up and copy it to the people.ubutnu.com webserver ;)
[21:15] <fta> there's no real backup for lp ?
[21:15] <asac> there is
[21:15] <asac> but invoking that is probably quite cumbersome ;)
[21:16] <asac> i am not sure about the backup solution they have
[21:16] <asac> and if librarian is really backed-up outside the disk array itself
[21:16] <asac> not sure ;)(
[21:16] <asac> fta: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/bzr-mozillateam-upgrade-backups.tar.gz2
[21:17] <fta> ok
[21:17] <fta> gz2 :)
[21:17] <asac> yeah ;)
[21:17] <asac> i first wanted to use bz2 ;)
[21:17] <asac> but then didnt like the idea to wait for ages
[21:18] <asac> ok ... what a job ;)
[21:18] <asac> upgrading bzr branches
[21:18] <asac> definitly worth mentioning in monthly mozillateam report :)
[21:20] <asac> i hope that bzr can settle on a final branch format soon
[21:21] <asac> but there is already --rich-root and --rich-root-pack (e.g. pack 1.6) that will probably be the next thing :(
[21:22] <asac> a bit scary imo
[21:24] <fta> good thing is there's far less files in .bzr now.
[21:24] <asac> yeah ;)(
[21:24] <asac> everything should be much faster now
[21:24] <asac> especially the initial branch
[21:25] <asac> and merging
[21:25] <asac> but --rich-root scares me a lot
[21:25] <asac> i couldnt upgrade my network-manager branch (which is a full source branch)
[21:25] <asac> and i couldnt merge from the new rich-root upstream thing
[21:25] <asac> (which is the used format on the official gnome bzr mirror)
[21:25] <asac> http://bzr-mirror.gnome.org/NetworkManager/trunk/
[21:26] <asac> otherwise thats really great
[21:26] <asac> it even attempted to make the trunk and branches related
[21:26] <asac> of course merges cannot be detected that great in svn
[21:28] <fta> doesn't gnome have a good front end for gdb ?
[21:29] <asac> fta: what is a good frontend for gdb?
[21:29] <fta> something like ddd but in gtk
[21:29] <asac> fta: a good frontend would have IDE integration i guess. which is anjuta
[21:30] <asac> fta: what benefit do you get from ddd over the command line tool
[21:30] <asac> isnt that just a X window with a gdb shell in pricinpal?
[21:30] <fta> the display feature
[21:31] <asac> fta: nemiver - Standalone graphical debugger for GNOME
[21:31] <asac> ?
[21:31] <asac> not sure
[21:31] <asac> otherwise i dont think there is anything
[21:31] <asac> ;)
[21:32] <asac> fta: let me know if that works well ;)
[21:32] <fta> http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/all.png
[21:34] <asac> fta: can you interactively nvigate in the graphic?
[21:34] <fta> yes
[21:34] <asac> e.g. clicking on a field will bring you to the reference object?
[21:34] <asac> not that bad then ;)
[21:34] <asac> when i tried gdb it either didnt have that feature or i didnt see it;)
[21:34] <asac> but thats years ago i think
[21:34] <asac> err tried ddd ;)
[21:35] <fta> last time i used ddd i was ~10 years younger
[21:35] <fta> it looks the same :(
[21:38] <verwilst> hi guys
[21:38] <asac> ok ... let me try to send a "missingPlugins" event whenever there is a request for a "Shockwave Flash" names plugin against the navigator object ;)(
[21:38] <verwilst> i have a firefox crasher that i want to debug
[21:38] <verwilst> any help from you guys would be appreciated
[21:38] <asac> verwilst: read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/#Crashes
[21:38] <asac> to get started
[21:39] <verwilst> http://pastebin.com/d34796219 < is this helpful already or is more needed wrt backtrace?
[21:39] <asac> verwilst: you need more debug symbols
[21:40] <asac> verwilst: read that page
[21:40] <asac> ites just a short paragraph
[21:40] <verwilst> asac: well yeah i already did
[21:40] <verwilst> and i installed all the packages
[21:40] <asac> all?
[21:40] <verwilst> ddebs for -security is broken though for quite some time
[21:40] <verwilst> so i had to recompile my own with dbgsym support
[21:40] <asac> verwilst: everything from -security should be in -updates too
[21:41] <asac> verwilst: strange. maybe you have builds from some PPA?
[21:41] <verwilst>   xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 (= 1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3) but <IP_ADDRESS>+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed
[21:41] <asac> verwilst: yes you are missing -updates in your dbgsym apt lines
[21:42] <asac> follow instructions on that page ;)
[21:42] <verwilst> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com hardy-updates main universe
[21:42] <asac> oh
[21:42] <verwilst> oh idd ;)
[21:42] <asac> maybe that wasnt pocket copied? not sure than
[21:43] <asac> not sure then. however the libxul.so symbols appear to be non-existing or bogus
[21:43] <verwilst> asac: what version does it want to install when you try xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym?
[21:43] <asac> thats the one in plain hardy
[21:43] <verwilst> yip
[21:43] <asac> verwilst: try the <IP_ADDRESS>+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> version
[21:43] <asac> maybe its still there
[21:43] <asac> it was generically build in -proposed
[21:43] <asac> so you might be able to find it there
[21:44] <verwilst> apt-cache show xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym shows the  1.9~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 only here
[21:44] <verwilst> does it show something else @ your machine?
[21:44] <verwilst> if it does, can i copy your sources.list for a sec? :)
[21:44] <asac> dont have hardy at hand atm
[21:44] <verwilst> oh hm
[21:46] <asac> strange
[21:46] <asac> xulrunner and firefox are indeed missing
[21:46] <verwilst> ahah
[21:46] <verwilst> so i wasnt going crazy ;)
[21:46] <asac> well ... i looked in the packages files
[21:46] <asac> on the server
[21:46] <verwilst> it sucks because firefox is the sore spot in hardy
[21:47] <verwilst> it drives my newly semi-volunteer ubuntu-ified girlfriend crazy
[21:47] <asac> lets look in the pool
[21:47] <fta> it's not there
[21:47]  * verwilst looks
[21:47] <fta> http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/x/xulrunner-1.9/
[21:47] <asac> tse
[21:47] <asac> that s**ks
[21:47] <fta> bug pitti
[21:47] <verwilst> yeah i checked that before the weekend too, when i was having troubles as well
[21:48] <asac> yeah. though i think that has something to do with how the .3 was released
[21:48] <asac> jdstrand attempted to pocket-copy it from -upstreawm to security
[21:48] <asac> most likely that removed the ddebs from there
[21:48] <asac> ro something
[21:48] <asac> however it failed and thus it needed a full respin in security
[21:48] <verwilst> where can i find this pitti guy? :)
[21:48] <asac> verwilst: well. i'll take care of that
[21:48] <asac> verwilst: for now you need to build the packages on your own
[21:49] <asac> which is really really painful, i understand that
[21:49] <asac> ;)
[21:49] <verwilst> wtf
[21:49] <verwilst> ii  xulrunner-dbgsym                           <IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu1                        debug symbols for package xulrunner
[21:49] <verwilst> 1.8.1?
[21:49] <asac> thats the old branch
[21:49] <verwilst> yeah..
[21:49] <asac> you dont need those
[21:49] <verwilst> but..
[21:49] <verwilst> i compiled them myself? :P
[21:49] <asac> yeah
[21:49]  * verwilst is dazed and confused
[21:49] <asac> that means you have the wrong ones ;)
[21:50] <verwilst> i apt-get sourced firefox3 so..
[21:50] <asac> which explains why you have no symbols for libxul
[21:50]  * verwilst rechecks
[21:50] <verwilst> yeah
[21:50] <asac> verwilst: firefox-3.0 and xulrunner-1.9 are the sources
[21:50] <asac> so good news ;)
[21:50] <asac> though the non existing dbgsym packages are really devastating ;)
[21:50] <verwilst> firefox-3.0-dbgsym_3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.ddeb
[21:50] <asac> no doubt that piled up a bunch of not-retraced crash reports :(
[21:51] <asac> verwilst: yes. thats correct
[21:51] <verwilst> that's the one my recompile gave me
[21:51] <asac> however, firefox has almost no binary code ;)
[21:51] <verwilst> and which i installed i figure
[21:51] <asac> so you need xulrunner-1.9
[21:51] <verwilst> goddamn :)
[21:51] <asac> verwilst: yeah. but firefox-3.0 isnt important for backtraces ;)
[21:51] <asac> all C++ code is in xulrunner-1.9
[21:52] <verwilst> downloading
[21:52] <asac> should take 20-40 minutes depending your system
[21:52] <verwilst> well, i remember i installed xulrunner dbgsym's as well
[21:52] <asac> verwilst: if you want to use multiple cores you can build with:
[21:52] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j3
[21:52] <verwilst> i never figured to check the version too :)
[21:52] <asac> in case you dont know
[21:53] <verwilst> ah i usually do debuild
[21:53] <asac> verwilst: not sure if debuild has the same option
[21:53] <asac> verwilst: but since hardy only dpkg-buildpackage gives you a generic built .... ;)
[21:53] <asac> so better use that
[21:53] <asac> debuild misses to inject some options
[21:53] <verwilst> dpkg-buildpackage in the source package?
[21:53] <asac> yes like above
[21:53] <asac> (just like debuild)
[21:54] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j3
[21:54] <asac> (for 2 cores)
[21:54] <verwilst> c2d yeah
[21:54] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j6
[21:54] <asac> for 4 cores ;)
[21:54] <verwilst> a 8400, so should be plenty fast :)
[21:54] <asac> what is 8400?
[21:54] <verwilst> core 2 duo 8400
[21:54] <asac> ah
[21:54] <verwilst> 3ghz
[21:54] <asac> yeah. youll see
[21:54] <asac> ;)
[21:55] <asac> verwilst: run:
[21:55] <asac> time dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j3
[21:55] <asac> and let me know ;)
[21:55] <verwilst> hm
[21:55]  * verwilst ctrl-c's
[21:55] <asac> hehe
[21:55] <asac> verwilst: oh
[21:55] <asac> time dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -j3 -b
[21:55] <verwilst> how do i clean it?
[21:55] <asac> so you just build the binaries ;)
[21:55] <asac> i dont care aobut source package cvreation
[21:55] <verwilst> or does it restart from scratch?
[21:55] <asac> verwilst: fakeroot ./debian/rules clean
[21:55] <asac> no ... you shoul clean it to get a good time ;)
[21:56] <verwilst> it's off
[21:56] <asac> good ;)
[21:56] <verwilst> hm, i miss my distro dev days
[21:56] <asac> hehe
[21:56] <verwilst> only know the basics at debian dev'ing
[21:56] <verwilst> which sucks
[21:57] <verwilst> ( been gentoo dev for 3 years, a long time ago :) ) best linux time of my life hehe
[21:57] <asac> hehe
[21:58] <verwilst> my girlfriend's ubuntu crashes sometimes 10 times in a few hours
[21:58] <asac> armin76 is gentoo guy still
[21:58] <verwilst> always firefox
[21:58] <verwilst> i quit after 3 years
[21:58] <asac> though i think he will switch to binary distribution once he realizes that that makes more sense ;)
[21:58] <verwilst> it was a time when anyone could get cvs access, if they just asked
[21:58] <verwilst> a lot of core devs quit then
[21:58] <asac> verwilst: girlfriends problem is most likely flash
[21:58] <verwilst> yeah it is
[21:59] <asac> verwilst: if libflashsupport is installed it would crash every 30 minutes
[21:59] <verwilst> but still, i cant tell her not to use it :)
[21:59] <asac> verwilst: you can try to use nspluginwrapper from mozillateam ppa
[21:59] <verwilst> well, it's better now
[21:59] <asac> that should make firefox go down more rarely
[21:59] <verwilst> flash 10 rc, and asound.conf configured
[21:59] <asac> hmm
[21:59] <verwilst> it's a lot better now, and at least she has sound in all apps
[21:59] <asac> good
[21:59] <verwilst> which was pretty embarrassing
[22:00] <asac> well. flash is crap
[22:00] <asac> gnash is getting better ;)
[22:00] <asac> i hope intrepid it will be good and in intrepid+1 installed by default ;)
[22:00] <verwilst> you switch someone to linux from windows, and then have to tell her she cant listen to her music and youtube at the same time
[22:00] <verwilst> pretty awkward
[22:00] <armin76> yuck
[22:00] <asac> does that work now?
[22:00] <verwilst> ( not to mention the constant crashes )
[22:01] <verwilst> yeah, it does now
[22:01] <asac> ok
[22:01] <verwilst> took a while to find out though
[22:01] <asac> well pulseaudio was a mess imho
[22:01] <verwilst> pulseaudio is nice
[22:01] <asac> yes, but all the issues we had are because of pulseaudio :)
[22:01] <verwilst> but the handling @ ubuntu could be better :)
[22:01] <asac> pulse needs to mature ... maybe not on its own, but all the integration
[22:01] <verwilst> yeah
[22:02] <verwilst> ofcourse flash was the main bottleneck
[22:02] <verwilst> and still is
[22:02] <asac> well, flash 9 wasnt possible to make working with pulse
[22:02] <asac> so  @ubuntu couldnt do better
[22:02] <verwilst> damned proprietary crap
[22:02] <asac> and flash is also one of the main thing (if not the only thign) that causes problems here
[22:02] <verwilst> yeah i know
[22:02] <verwilst> flash and skype i guess
[22:02] <asac> everything else uses pulse and thuse doesnt cause tht many issues
[22:02] <verwilst> but flash 10 seems to be a lot better
[22:02] <asac> yes, but if skype uses sync alsa  then the pulse plugin would have worked
[22:03] <verwilst> that's actually the upside of moonlight
[22:03] <verwilst> it's open source
[22:03] <asac> but for flash even that wasnt possible
[22:03] <asac> what is open source? flash 10`
[22:03] <verwilst> ( that's pretty much the only upside i can find for it but hey )
[22:03] <verwilst> moonlight
[22:03] <verwilst> microsoft's "let's copy flash and call it an innovation" crap
[22:03] <asac> urgh
[22:03] <asac> well. better stick to gnash
[22:03] <asac> or swfdec if you want
[22:04] <asac> you can do most things there. you just have to take care that you dont use flash bugs ;)
[22:04] <verwilst> i cant give gnash to my girl
[22:04] <asac> yes. but microsofts flash replacement wont work too in those cases
[22:04] <verwilst> it's too immature
[22:04] <verwilst> how's that?
[22:04] <verwilst> novell is creating a mono counterpart eh
[22:04] <verwilst> open source
[22:04] <verwilst> moonlight = silverlight, FOSS
[22:05] <verwilst> and silverlight = MS
[22:08] <verwilst> asac: http://www.bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/moonlight-animations/
[22:11] <verwilst> real	15m11.027s  user	19m47.906s sys	1m25.741s
[22:11] <verwilst> :)
[22:15] <verwilst> xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym is installed, still no other backtraces..
[22:17] <verwilst> #2  0xb729ba55 in ?? () from /usr/lib/xulrunner-<IP_ADDRESS>/libxul.so
[22:17] <verwilst> No symbol table info available.
[22:17] <verwilst> grm
[22:21] <verwilst> silence...
[22:21] <verwilst> :P
[23:06] <apachelogger> awfully long channel name :P
[23:06] <apachelogger> hey everyone
[23:07] <asac> hi apachelogger
[23:08] <fta> ho
[23:08] <fta> hi
[23:08] <asac> apachelogger: you are interested in qt builds for firefox 3.1?
[23:09] <apachelogger> asac: that involves work, doesn't it?
[23:10] <asac> apachelogger: not sure. you published builds ;)
[23:11] <apachelogger> asac: they are a pretty hackish adoption of the firefox source package
[23:12] <apachelogger> the Qt integration isn't at a stage where I would want to spend a lot of time on packaging it
[23:13] <asac> apachelogger: well. if they are not use worthy, then please dont publish them. they get on user systems and might cause support work
[23:14] <apachelogger> I published them mentioning the danger and unsuability
[23:15] <asac> sure. thats ok. however, that doesnt matter once the people get issues ;)
[23:15] <asac> at best let us take a look before you publish such ;) ... its not much additional work to make them play good in the packaging eco system ;)
[23:16] <apachelogger> well
[23:16] <apachelogger> it does play well
[23:16] <apachelogger> the worst thing that can happen is that it eats the .mozilla dir
[23:16] <asac> which is bad enough ;)
[23:16] <apachelogger> in fact, it's most likely that it does that :D
[23:16] <apachelogger> I tried to change the config dir to .mozilla-qt but that didn't work all that much
[23:17] <asac> apachelogger: we will publish such packages as soon as they are test worthy. if you want to help, you are welcome.
[23:17] <asac> changing the profile dir isnt a big problem if you know how that is done
[23:17] <apachelogger> if you have to do anything but poke the configure script it's bad implemented :P
[23:18] <asac> apachelogger: anyway. all i want to say is that if you are interested in firefox packaging, do it here. its much more efficient and helps people more
[23:18] <apachelogger> sure, the current package is really just for bleeding edge users, who can't stop killing their system
[23:18] <asac> apachelogger: could you remove them anyway?
[23:18] <asac> such packages go around in the world
[23:19] <asac> and they come back informs of bugs
[23:19] <asac> and after hours of asking and trying to figure users suddenly remember ... oh i had that package installed in the past
[23:19] <asac> such things happen frequently
[23:19] <apachelogger> I could, but I wouldn't feel very comfortable
[23:19] <asac> apachelogger: why?
[23:20] <apachelogger> I rather have people use packages which work somewhat than have them use checkinstall packages
[23:20] <asac> no ... packages that work somehow are worth
[23:20] <apachelogger> and these are almost certain to appear in this case
[23:20] <asac> worse
[23:20] <asac> make install adds an addition barrier that users have to go
[23:21] <apachelogger> checkinstall doesn't
[23:22] <asac> anyway. would be good if you could remove that package. i dont mind about checkinstall. debs floating on the net are just worse
[23:22] <asac> people look for it, and install it. reading no announcement and nothing
[23:22] <apachelogger> well
[23:22] <apachelogger> checkinstall creates the debs that are floating
[23:23] <apachelogger> asac: we have stated very clearly that these packages and the entire repository they reside in is super experimental and really not meant for producation systems
[23:23] <asac> it always can be worse and i cannot talk into people that i have no chance to talk to
[23:23] <asac> apachelogger: people blog about that package
[23:23] <asac> thats how we found it
[23:24] <apachelogger> asac: got the URL at hand?
[23:24] <asac> and that causes attention. people dont look at what the repository is about. they install
[23:24] <apachelogger> anyway, I understand your POV and will discuss the removal with the kubuntu ninjas
[23:24] <asac> and that causes pain for the ubuntu distributions in form of bugs
[23:24] <asac> and wierd support requests
[23:24] <asac> apachelogger: you uploaded that package.
[23:25] <apachelogger> nothing stops people from using the binary
[23:25] <apachelogger> which will just as well rape the .mozilla dir
[23:26] <asac> doesnt matter. everything that comes from *ubuntu-* whatever on launchpad should go through mozilllateam. i can only try to get the pieces together that are more or less remotely realted to ubuntu.
[23:26] <asac> anyway. think about it. if kubuntu-experimental is an effort that is affiliated with kubuntu then this package surely has to go. otherwise i can only hope that you do it ;)
[23:27] <apachelogger> I'll do my best to find an appropriate solution
[23:27] <asac> apachelogger: http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/firefox-qt-packages-hit-kubuntu.html
[23:28] <asac> apachelogger: if you are affiliated with kubuntu, remove it. if you are an independent group, do what you want
[23:28] <asac> thanks
[23:29] <asac> oh. you are ubuntu-dev .... you really have to remove it then
[23:29] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:29] <apachelogger> or leave the project
[23:29] <asac> hehe
[23:29] <asac> well
[23:30] <asac> no need to do that
[23:32] <fta> no need to go that far. I initially wanted to merge our efforts, i.e., make the firefox-3.1 / xulrunner-1.9.1 packages i currently maintain do QT in a way or another.
[23:32] <asac> apachelogger: i dont want to enforce anything here ... its not important enough. i just thought that ubuntu-dev members understand distro issues that can come from such packages ... so only thin i do here is to appeal to you that it makes more sense to do it in the mozillateam
[23:33] <asac> apachelogger: so. just line up with fta ;)
[23:33]  * apachelogger moves in line
[23:34] <fta> :)
[23:34] <apachelogger> fta: it's Qt, btw... QT is QuickTime ;-)
[23:34] <asac> wow, i only knew quicktime for windows :-D
[23:38] <fta> apachelogger, you got my point. btw, it's still not clear how we could do gtk and Qt packages without rebuilding everything twice. it sure needs some patches. but that's the probably the way to go, even if the Qt part is not polished yet, it would benefit from the work we do on the main packages
[23:39] <asac> fta: is there any way to fix the fortify crash without rebuilding everything?
[23:39] <asac> did the PATH_MAX*10 thing work?
[23:39] <fta> it did, last time i checked
[23:42] <asac> fta: but thats still an issue on 3.1?
[23:44] <fta> yes, the patch has not landed upstream
[23:44] <asac> fta: which patch ... the *10 thing?
[23:44] <asac> redhat guy said to me that it works for them with fortify 2 without any patch
[23:44] <asac> i dont understand all that
[23:45] <fta> lol, no, not my ugly workaround
[23:45] <asac> fta: is there another fix?
[23:45] <fta> hold on, firing bugzilla
[23:47] <fta> mozilla bug 412610
[23:47] <fta> last att is "Fix based on the patch used in Fedora"
[23:47] <asac> wow
[23:48] <asac> apparently the mozilla guy at redhat doesnt know what they ship ;)
[23:48] <fta> "Fedora 9 (glibc-2.8 and gcc-4.3.0) on x86_64 requires the attachment 325441 [details] for getting well-worked firefox with the compiler option of -DFORTIFY_SOURCE=2."
[23:48] <asac> ok ... so 4096 i typed manually should be ok
[23:49] <asac> good
[23:49] <asac> so my manual patch did the same ;)
[23:50] <fta> as good as my *10
[23:50] <asac> ok ... let me think what i wanted to test ;)
[23:50] <asac> ah ... anti-flash detection ;)


[11:50] <CRRob> Hello.... Fresh install of edubuntu 14.04 LTSP.  Client trying to PXEBoot is getting TFTP timeout error.   Looking for help solving this error.
[12:03] <CRRob> Additional Info:  Fresh install of Edupuntu 12.04 LTSP boots fine.


[04:12] <neonixcoder> Good day team..
[04:13] <neonixcoder> I am trying to upgrade 10.04 LTS to 12.04 unattended upgrade with "do-release-upgrade -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive"
[04:14] <neonixcoder> But middle after installing new kernel the server is rebooting..
[04:14] <neonixcoder> How can I disable reboots in installation as the servers are located in remote locations..
[04:15] <neonixcoder> The main problem with reboot is my system is unable to boot again due to kernel panic issue..
[04:15] <neonixcoder> Any suggestions?
[10:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:54] <grzywacz> Who maintains AWS EC2 mirrors used by Ubuntu AMIs by default? I'm seeing transfer rates in single bytes/s from AWS network, kinda breaks (security) updates without manual intervention. :)
[13:54] <teward> grzywacz: you mean the archive mirrors?
[13:54] <teward> i.e. .ec2.archive... ?
[13:55] <teward> grzywacz: see #ubuntu-mirrors.  There's already a known issue I think with the UK mirrors.
[13:56] <Pici> I just saw a topic change mentioning this in #canonical-sysadmin
[13:56] <grzywacz> teward, sounds like this case, thanks
[13:56] <teward> Pici: i'm not there, is it the same thing -mirrors is talking about?
[13:56] <Pici> probably
[13:56] <teward> my guess is that it is
[13:56] <teward> grzywacz: you can always try the DE country mirror, or another mirror, in the interim,.
[13:56] <teward> (that was the suggestion from someone a few days ago when eu-west-1 was having problems)
[13:57] <grzywacz> Right, will do. Just wanted to highlight the problem. :)
[13:58] <teward> grzywacz: indeed.  I think they're already on top of it, someone was in saying they've been fielding a lot of questions about mirror issues, and it looks like they're starting to look at things, and recognize where problems may exist
[13:59] <grzywacz> Ack. That's fine.
[13:59] <teward> it's probably a decent thing that I lurk so many channels... xD
[14:00] <teward> no, but i occasionally poke them about whether other update servers're having issues, too, so yeah, stay tuned for updates, and use a different mirror in the interim
[14:00] <grzywacz> Easier to notice some strange dependencies this way. ;)
[14:04] <micahg> if anyone is interested in the haproxy trusty backport, it needs some quick testing for a security update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1473162
[14:15] <rbasak> micahg: thank you for handling that. I don't really know haproxy so don't know how to test it, but hopefully the reporter will take care of that.
[14:16] <rbasak> Looks like it has two reporters now.
[14:21] <micahg> yep, if someone tests today, I'll upload, otherwise, I'll keep an eye out over the weekend
[15:47] <teward> how do I change the max number of auth failures for openssh_server?  Because i fail my pw once it kicks me out
[15:56] <tonyyarusso> teward: MaxAuthTries?  Default should be 6 though.
[15:57] <teward> tonyyarusso: why'd it be kicking me out as "Too many authentication failures: 1 ..."
[15:57] <teward> for every server i've recently set up and staged
[15:58] <tonyyarusso> Do you have it set to 1?
[15:58] <teward> (all 14.04)
[15:58] <teward> tonyyarusso: i *shouldn't* since it was a default install from the ISO
[15:58] <teward> so tasksel, select openssh-server, etc.
[15:58] <teward> should be the stock config there
[16:47] <teward> i discovered something weird in wily
[16:47] <teward> at least, in a VM
[18:25] <bladernr_> Hey, how do I file a bug against qemu-system-ppc?  I can't find it on LP and not sure if it's its own thing or spun from some other project
[18:26] <bladernr_> and also nto sure even if that's something we host or what
[18:26] <bladernr_> so may be a debian without LP bug tracking
[18:28] <lordievader> bladernr_: You probably need its source package, qemu.
[18:28] <teward> !info qemu-system-ppc
[18:28] <teward> bladernr_: the source package is qemu on LP - file against that, or use `ubuntu-bug qemu-system-ppc` maybe?
[18:28] <teward> (or do it manually against qemu :P)
[19:31] <ianorlin> bladernr_: if you don't have a gUI on the system you may want to use apport-cli
[20:07] <bladernr_> teward: ianorlin thanks!
[21:01] <amanji> Hey sorry for asking this here but I'm a noob at server networking and need a way to connect to a remote Postgres database from my local machine. I've already configured pg_hba.conf and postgres.conf on my server end. The problem is that the server only accepts connections on port 443 while postgres listens in on port 5432. How do I go about connecting the two?
[21:03] <smoser> jrwren, https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/cloud-init/add-apt_sources-docs-to-rtd/+merge/264312
[21:03] <smoser> fyi, you can do that like this too:
[21:03] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L120
[21:18] <sarnold> amanji: you can change the port that postgres listens to via config files ifyou need to http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/runtime-config-connection.html
[21:26] <amanji> I tried that, but the server has only specific ports open and so when I changed the port to those that the server can listen on it denies me permissions to restart the postgres service
[21:46] <sarnold> amanji: hmm. is that becaus eyou've got a TLS webserver already running?
[21:46] <sarnold> amanji: normally the error for that kind of thing isn't a "permission denied" but "can't bind socket"
[21:47] <amanji> yeah theres already a webserver running
[21:47] <sarnold> aha
[21:47] <sarnold> amanji: why those specific ports? do you need to adjust firewall rules with your hosting provider to enable more?
[21:48] <amanji> For work purposes we can only connect using those specific ports, I know its weird
[21:50] <amanji> so if the webserver accepts connections on a specific port postgres cannot use the same one to create db connections?
[21:50] <sarnold> right, you can only have one program listening on a specific (port, IP address)
[21:51] <amanji> so why is it that ssh and https can use the same ports?
[21:52] <sarnold> maybe, if one is bound to e.g. <IP_ADDRESS> and the other bound to e.g. <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:39] <jrwren> smoser: oh!!! thanks!
[22:39] <jrwren> smoser: I'll update that MR


[10:37] <IztokJeras> hi I would like to install the latest Ubuntu on a Zynq board (armhf v7 CPU), and I have trouble finding an appropriate tarball
[10:39] <IztokJeras> for the 14.04 LTS I used http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/14.04/release/ubuntu-core-14.04.4-core-armhf.tar.gz
[10:39] <ogra_> grab one from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-base/releases/
[10:39] <IztokJeras> but I have trouble finding something similar for 16.04
[10:39] <ogra_> (ubuntu-core got renamed to ubuntu-base)
[10:42] <IztokJeras> OK, I will try it, since I had trouble finding this one I tried snappy a bit, for amd64 in kvm, and ARM emulated in QEMU, I currently do not see an advantage using snappy, what would you recommend?
[11:06] <IztokJeras> thanks ogra_ the tarball is what I was looking for
[11:07] <ogra_> wrt snappy, it really dependfs what you plan to do with the board ... if it is a stabndalone headless thing like a NAS ro router, snappy is surely something to try ... if you go after plain server or desktop stuff it is likely not there yet
[11:08] <ogra_> s/ro/or/
[11:16] <IztokJeras> OK, I will try it, since I had trouble finding this one I tried snappy a bit, for amd64 in kvm, and ARM emulated in QEMU, I currently do not see an advantage using snappy, what would you recommend?
[11:16] <IztokJeras> OK, I will try it, since I had trouble finding this one I tried snappy a bit, for amd64 in kvm, and ARM emulated in QEMU, I currently do not see an advantage using snappy, what would you recommend?
[11:17] <IztokJeras> not used to IRC clients
[11:20] <IztokJeras> our board is a custom server, with development capabilities (compiler), I saw very few packages offered as snaps and I do not know how to get libraries, for snappy they are part of the snap as I understand
[11:21] <IztokJeras> for now we will continue with apt/dpkg
[21:02] <ogre123> I have a few different arm devices (pi3, cubox, hummingboard, wandboard) that i think can all run armhf ubuntu.  I want to install the most similar OS I can on all of them (I'm thinking 14.04 LTS).  I was thinking the easiest route would be to get latest and greatest offical release for each board, keep the bootloader, kernel, and modules, and just overwrite the rest of the rootfs with a 14.04 rootfs from armhf.org.  Is that sane?


[11:10] <mparillo> Plasma 5.18.5 looking good on GG. Did the Firefox KDE dialog thing ever get sorted?
[11:11] <mparillo> Their intransigence on allowing the DE's native file picker baffles me. Chromium just works if it is present.
[11:14] <blaze> the question is does the portal thing actually work?
[11:14] <mparillo> What is the portal thing?
[11:16] <blaze> xdg desktop portal
[11:17] <blaze> https://github.com/KDE/xdg-desktop-portal-kde
[11:18] <mparillo> Looks like a way to make flatpacks more integrated?
[11:20] <blaze> as well as snaps
[11:21] <mparillo> Thanks.
[11:39] <RikMills> mparillo: more trouble that it is worth IMO. the gtk picker works fine
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:26] <RikMills> nggraham: what plasma version is the icons only task manger thing to land in?
[13:04] <blaze> interesting https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-preserve-old-software-with-snaps
[13:05] <blaze> I need a snap of the old amarok 1.4, or a current one from TDE
[17:13] <masonbee> Have been pointed here from the Kubuntu matrix chat room. Top of that forum has out of date information including 18.10 being released today. Any idea who to contact to get it changed?
[17:21] <RikMills> masonbee: its' just a bridge. no-one has any permissions. if the topic shown on matric does not automatically update, then presumably that is a matrix bug
[17:28] <masonbee> OK, I will ask there.
[17:32] <RikMills> if there is some way to force it to update on the matrix side, I don't know it
[17:34] <RikMills> it should do it automatically as far as I know
[17:34] <RikMills> or assumemed
[20:42] <blaze> what if you have to use chanserv in order to keep the topic in sync
[20:52] <RikMills> yofel: updating focal docker containers is dead. current one won't build anything. I fear KCI is dead
[21:02] <valorie> yikes!


 Even the US was using those people's torture experience .. yikes
[11:02] <daker> :/
[11:03] <daker> i hate the US govt
[11:11] <dholbach> while I whole-heartedly understand the frustration, this discussion has serious flamewar potential - I hope everyone in here is reasonable :)
[11:12] <daker> ツ
[11:14] <popey> +1
[11:14]  * popey hugs dholbach
[11:20] <nigelb> komputes: ahoy
[11:24] <cjohnston> All the UDSers who were confused when it comes to subscribing to blueprints will hopefully be less confused now: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+spec/community-o-loco-directory/+subscribe
[11:32] <komputes> Hi nigelb
[11:33] <nigelb> komputes: Got home alright after the extra day?
[11:33]  * nigelb hugs cjohnston
[11:33] <komputes> nigelb: for sure, good to be back home
[11:33] <nigelb> komputes: heh :)
[11:55]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[11:59] <dholbach> popey, Technoviking, pleia2, CC meeting?
[11:59] <popey> o/ dholbach
[12:46] <kim0> dholbach: are you aware of someone working on a sphinx docs based Ubuntu theme?
[12:51] <dholbach> kim0, hang on
[12:51]  * kim0 hangs on an imaginary rope
[12:52] <kim0> I wonder if we can write plain html (output from sphinx) into the Ubuntu wiki /!
[12:52] <dholbach> kim0, https://code.launchpad.net/~raoul-snyman/ubuntu-packaging-guide/new-colours/+merge/56010
[12:53] <kim0> dholbach: thanks man :) anywhere I can see this theme in action
[12:54] <dholbach> kim0, something like http://ubuntuone.com/p/kvg/?
[12:54] <dholbach> at least that's what's linked in there
[12:54] <kim0> yeah looks good!
[12:56] <kim0> dholbach: any previous experience inserting html directly into the wiki ?
[12:56] <dholbach> kim0, no
[13:01] <nigelb> dholbach: the theme is beautiful.
[13:05] <dholbach> not my work :)
[13:07] <nigelb> heh
[14:19] <jcastro> man
[14:19] <jcastro> my bp's and work items are a mess
[14:19] <jcastro> dholbach: when does the graph start?
[14:25] <nigelb> jcastro: join the club :/
[14:31] <akgraner_> nigelb,was awesome meeting you finally!
[14:31] <nigelb> akgraner_: you too!
[14:32] <nigelb> akgraner_: hows your knee now?
[14:32] <akgraner_> and hggdh I can't wait to what this cycle brings
[14:32] <daker> kim0, {{{#!html
Yo Yo!</b>
[14:32] <daker> }}}
[14:32] <akgraner_> nigelb, heading to the hospital now
[14:32] <kim0> daker: wow :)
[14:32] <kim0> daker: did you test that
[14:32] <nigelb> akgraner_: Hope you are fine soon
[14:33] <akgraner_> still can't walk on it,,but that's not stopping me
[14:33] <nigelb> akgraner_: Never had as much fun as the lightning talk. We were whispering the whole time! :-P
[14:33] <akgraner_> from doing my ubuntu stuff
[14:33]  * nigelb hugs akgraner_
[14:33] <akgraner_> thanks nigelb you all rock!!
[14:34] <daker> kim0, yes
[14:35] <akgraner_> hggdh, thanks for all your encouragement can't wait to work on all the testing stuff next cycle should be fun,,,,
[14:35] <kim0> daker: kewl!
[14:36] <akgraner_> laters y'all!
[14:36] <kim0> daker: would you think the wiki's css would be applied auto-magically ?
[14:36] <daker> i have no idea
[14:37] <kim0> daker: will take a look .. thanks a lot though .. that was helpful
[14:38] <daker> wy
[14:38] <kim0> detected finger clock skew
[14:40] <kim0> natty starting to get updates after uds .. lovely :)
[14:41] <hggdh> akgraner: my unending pleasure :-) we need the community
[15:28] <dholbach> jcastro, I have no idea - pitti should know
[15:55] <nigelb> jcastro: for the IRC rooster, I would recommend something like what LP team does. CHR.
[15:56] <nigelb> (Just saw the unity BP, I didn't have a time machine to attend that session)
[15:56] <jcastro> yeah
[16:02] <daker> URGENT: there is a bug on https://forms.canonical.com/lococd
[16:03] <daker> everyone can request CDs even if he is the team owner
[16:24] <jcastro> dholbach: dpm: kim0: check this out
[16:24] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/u/jorge.html
[16:24] <jcastro> you can have your own personal burndown
[16:24] <jcastro> I did not know this
[16:24] <dholbach> me neither
[16:24] <dpm> uh, it's new for me too!
[16:26] <dpm> oh man, now our boss can even be more on our backs, we should talk to pitti about this ;)
[16:27] <dpm> but on the more serious side, it's cool to have a per-person overview
[16:28] <jcastro> I kind of need it
[16:28] <jcastro> I  was only paying attention to the team view last cycle
[16:28] <jcastro> and then one week someone was like "what about this work item?"
[16:29] <jcastro> and it was for some other team and I totally forgot
[16:29] <jono> dpm, wrapping up, will be a few mins then ready
[16:29] <jussi> jcastro: how does one get these ? are they available for community members?
[16:30] <dpm> jono, ok!
[16:31] <jcastro> jussi: I would assume so
[16:35] <nigelb> jussi: I think everyone who has a workitem in the burndown chart gets one
[16:35] <nigelb> anyway, status.ubuntu.com should be up soon, cjohnston was working on it.
[16:36] <jcastro> jono: and crew: topic is updated with the new burn down
[16:38] <nigelb> jcastro: *lots* more BP's to show up isn't there?
[16:38] <jcastro> yeah, it runs hourly
[16:38] <jcastro> people need to go back and sort their WI's now
[18:00] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[18:48] <nigelb> jcastro: ping
[18:49] <nigelb> jcastro: We have an action item to remove blueprints from summit.  Checking with you that its actually obsolete before going ahead.  Apparently it used to feature in sponsorship applications and stuff.
[18:50] <nigelb> jcastro: could you add your comments to bug 783291?
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 783291 in summit "Brainstorm should be removed from summit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783291
[18:55] <jcastro> nigelb: looking
[18:55] <jcastro> ok confused
[18:55] <jcastro> the bug says brainstorm
[18:55] <jcastro> not blueprints
[18:55] <jcastro> I am pretty sure we're not removing blueprints right?
[18:56] <jcastro> Technoviking: you got that mail I sent you from steve?
[19:00] <jcastro> joey: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/summit/+spec/community-o-summit
[19:00] <jcastro> ^^ you need to ensure your requirements from linaro are communicated there and via bug reports
[19:00] <jcastro> ie. for things like private meetings and all that
[19:01] <joey> jcastro: I went to the summit session and my items were in the etherpad notes
[19:04] <jcastro> joey: yeah you just need to make sure that what you want/need are bug reports and/or work items
[19:04] <jcastro> WI's are the currency, because if it's not assigned it Did Not Happen(tm)
[19:05] <joey> cjohnston is going to make all my problems disappear, ain't that right cjohnston? :-)
[19:05] <nigelb> jcastro: sorry, I meant brainstorm, not blueprints
[19:05] <joey> jcastro: I have some items on the list for james w as well and I suspect he'll bug those that don't already exist
[19:06] <nigelb> joey: he already has bugged a bunch :)
[19:06] <jcastro> joey: right, just saying, doublecheck. :) When it comes to summit, one can never be too sure!
[19:06] <jcastro> nigelb: I +1ed your idea
[19:06] <jcastro> I didn't even know what summit would have to do with brainstorm
[19:06] <nigelb> jcastro: Hey give us some credit, we only deployed thrice during UDS ;)
[19:07] <jcastro> hahaha
[19:07] <jcastro> cowboys
[19:07] <jcastro> you're lucky we didn't all get killed
[19:08] <nigelb> joey: haha, did you adopt cjohnston? :p
[19:08] <nigelb> jcastro: well, this cycle is going to be more structured hoepfully.
[19:08] <joey> nigelb: I think he adopted me and then I became interested in the whole summit aspect and thus adopted all of you :-D
[19:08] <nigelb> joey: hahaha
[19:09] <nigelb> But I think we actually have a plan of action this time around :)
[19:10] <nigelb> joey: btw, we moved to #ubuntu-website for all web dev related topics
[19:10] <nigelb> (which includes summit and LD)
[19:11] <nigelb> jcastro: I started removing it and saw old sponsorship forms that were linked to blueprint ideas and wanted to cross check with you
[19:12] <nigelb> jcastro: Also, I need to work with you and figure out fine-grained access controls for track leads
[19:12] <jcastro> ~uds-planners is the team
[19:12] <jcastro> who needs access
[19:12] <jcastro> everyone else = NOYUO
[19:12] <nigelb> NOYUO?
[19:13] <jcastro> no access
[19:13] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~uds-organizers
[19:13] <jcastro> this team should be able to admin and schedule
[19:13] <jcastro> everyone else, no joy.
[19:13] <nigelb> jcastro: and sponsorship?
[19:13] <nigelb> should everyone there see all the sponsorship stuff?
[19:13] <jcastro> nope
[19:14] <nigelb> jcastro: that's where we need to fine-grain it
[19:14] <jcastro> ah
[19:14] <nigelb> like a group of people who have full access + a group of people who can schedule.
[19:14] <paultag> holy jeez i'm hung over
[19:14] <nigelb> paultag: what else is new? :P
[19:14]  * nigelb hugs paultag
[19:14] <paultag> nigelb: like ungodly
[19:14]  * paultag hugs nigelb
[19:14] <paultag> ugh, owwwwwch
[19:14] <paultag> and I had to do math this morning
[19:15] <paultag> we do this thing with local high schools, we have an all day math-a-thon with all sorts of tests
[19:15] <paultag> and I was poached to do it this year, my god. It's so hard to sit quietly when your hung over
[19:15] <paultag> nevermind quietly, just sit
[19:15] <nigelb> haha
[19:16] <paultag> owww.
[19:17] <nigelb> paultag: Got my first LP patch accepted today \o/
[19:18] <nigelb> paultag: Came a long long way from the random guy 2 years back asking you how to contribute to open source ;)
[19:18] <paultag> nigelb: wooo
[19:18]  * paultag hugs nigelb
[19:18]  * nigelb hugs paultag
[19:18] <cjohnston> howdy
[19:19] <paultag> nigelb: you've come a long way, man.   How many dives a week?
[19:21] <nigelb> cjohnston: CONGRATS!
[19:21] <cjohnston> depends on the number of people
[19:21] <paultag> cjohnston: aye
[19:21] <cjohnston> also store time tho :-/
[19:21] <joey> cjohnston: congrats!
[19:21] <paultag> cjohnston: at least you can work on your own gear when it's quiet
[19:22] <cjohnston> hehehe
[19:22] <paultag> ;)
[19:22] <paultag> cjohnston: really great news, congrats. I'd be stoked :)
[19:22] <cjohnston> ty :-)
[19:22] <joey> cjohnston: wish you told me.  I need to do my checkout rides, though
[19:23] <paultag> (PADI OW)
[19:24] <cjohnston> You cool
[19:24] <cjohnston> cool
[19:24] <nigelb> cjohnston: we are getting a status.ubuntu.com right?
[19:24] <cjohnston> joey: you can see me again in August ;-)
[19:24] <cjohnston> yes
[19:24] <nigelb> cjohnston: is there a place I can see the code for it?
[19:24] <cjohnston> ya
[19:24] <nigelb> cjohnston: hahaha, August
[19:25] <nigelb> cjohnston: link me please?
[19:25] <cjohnston> blah
[19:25] <cjohnston> lmgtfm.com?
[19:25] <cjohnston> I don't remember.. give me a few
[19:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: sure, np
[19:28] <cjohnston> Mr. Metal not around today?
[19:30] <nigelb> cjohnston: nvm, found it
[19:30] <cjohnston> which did you find.
[19:30] <cjohnston> the linaro one or the other one
[19:31] <doctormo> Does anyone know where I can get a Spanish translation done quickly?
[19:32] <cjohnston> google.com/translate
[19:37] <doctormo> cjohnston: Yeah not quite good enough yet, hoping to find a human.
[19:37] <cjohnston> #ubuntu-es?
[19:42] <doctormo> cjohnston: Turns out bad idea :-) ubuntu-es is for support only. Speak english and get told off ;-) so #ubuntu-es-offtopic perhaps.
[19:42] <doctormo> But I found someone through there anyway, thanks for the good suggestion.
[19:46] <cjohnston> True.. offtopic
[19:52] <Technoviking> jcastro: I did, I sent it to the FC. They want more example, so I'm going to compile a list
[20:10] <jcastro> ok
[20:15] <jcastro> Technoviking: I'll follow up with jfo when he's back online
[20:15] <jcastro> jono: did you want to catch up today?
[20:16] <jono> jcastro, yes, lets talk soon, just finishing a deck up now
[20:19] <jcastro> you're building a deck?
[20:19] <paultag> are we talking magic?
[20:34] <jcastro> popey: everyone hates the brown!
[20:44] <jono> jcastro, slide deck :-)
[20:45] <jono> d.u.c req gathering and dev workflow
[20:45]  * AlanBell is just glad you didn't call it a powerpoint
[20:51] <AlanBell> so this burndown chart thing, how does it work?
[20:55] <jcastro> AlanBell: it takes all the items from a lp whiteboard
[20:55] <jcastro> like
[20:55] <jcastro> [jorge] do foor
[20:55] <jcastro> [jono] do bar
[20:55] <jcastro> and then it makes a chart of all of them
[20:55] <jcastro> then it draws a line down to release date
[20:55] <jcastro> and basically it paces your progress towards release
[20:56] <AlanBell> great, so who does the move from blueprint whiteboard to the burndown chart?
[20:56] <jcastro> there's a script pitti runs
[20:56] <AlanBell> I can see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-accessibility-team isn't on it yet
[20:57] <jcastro> I think maybe jono needs to mark a certain status for the bp or something?
[20:58] <jcastro> mine haven't shown up yet either
[20:58] <AlanBell> yeah, there is a whole heap more, that was just an example
[20:59] <jcastro> yeah I don't know that magic part
[20:59] <AlanBell> ok
[21:00] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/all.html
[21:00] <jcastro> I only did add mine today
[21:00] <jcastro> so I will give it 24 hours
[21:00] <jcastro> I had all mine in the etherpad and hadn't moved them to the bp's yet
[21:00] <jcastro> oh dude
[21:01] <jcastro> I think you need Work items:
[21:01] <jcastro> in the whiteboard
[21:01] <cjohnston> jono said he had to accept them or something
[21:01] <james_w> Series goal:
[21:01] <james_w> None
[21:01] <james_w> needs to be oneiric
[21:02] <james_w> or rather "Accepted for oneiric"
[21:02] <cjohnston> james_w: what about for BPs that arent filed agains ubuntu
[21:02] <cjohnston> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+spec/community-o-loco-directory
[21:02] <james_w> that needs a config change
[21:03] <cjohnston> in the blueprint?
[21:03] <james_w> in the workitems tracker
[21:03] <jono> cjohnston, accept what?
[21:04] <cjohnston> jono: I thought you said that for blueprints to show up in the work items tracker you had to review them or accept them or something
[21:04] <jono> yes
[21:04] <cjohnston> thats what I was trying to say
[21:05] <jono> ahhh cool :-)
[21:05] <jcastro> jono: ok so are we supposed to bug you to accept the blueprints or is that something you just do at one point?
[21:07] <jono> jcastro, I will accept blueprints I want to manage on the burndown
[21:07] <jono> jcastro, we can talk more about this in our call
[21:07] <jcastro> ok
[21:08] <jono> jcastro, can we talk in about 20mins?
[21:08] <jcastro> sure
[21:09] <Technoviking> jcastro: sounds good, as soon as I catch up at work I will start on the list
[21:21] <jono> jcastro, wanna talk?
[21:21] <jono> while I make a coffee too
[21:22] <jcastro> jono: sure give me 30 seconds, and skype me up
[21:22] <jono> np
[21:25] <jono> jcastro, one sec, someone pinging me, getting rid of them
[21:26] <jono> jcastro, ok, dialing
[21:27] <cjohnston> my stupid coffee machine broke while we were in budapest!
[21:28] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm so sorry for your loss
[21:29] <cjohnston> I know
[21:29] <cjohnston> and its a kureig
[21:30] <mhall119> I don't know what that means
[21:31] <cjohnston> http://www.keurig.com/
[22:20] <paultag> K-Cups are the spawn of the devil
[22:20] <paultag> but they are so convenent
[22:23] <mhall119> I have the $20 walmart branch coffee maker
[22:25] <cjohnston> paultag: they are wonderful
[22:25] <paultag> I have a coffee press. It's cheep (+1), makes super awesome coffee (+1), and never needs filters (+1)
[22:25] <paultag> cjohnston: they are easy and fun, but the stuff inside is drab and old :(
[22:26] <cjohnston> inside meaning the coffee?
[22:26] <paultag> cjohnston: if you want to call it that
[22:26] <cjohnston> its wonderful
[22:26] <cjohnston> different flavors
[22:26] <paultag> I call it coffee flavored ex-living material
[22:26] <cjohnston> lol
[22:26] <paultag> :)
[22:27] <paultag> <-- a bit of a snob about most things