[00:09] <Captainkrtek> hey Rocket2DMn
[00:10] <Rocket2DMn> hey Captainkrtek
[00:10] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, may I PM you?
[00:11] <j1mc> hi all
[00:13] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: i've put together a brief listing of different help resources on the web for ubuntu. http://ubuntuone.com/p/xqu/
[00:13] <j1mc> are you able to open that?
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, yeah
[00:14] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, yeah, it opens
[00:15] <j1mc> i have done that as a kind of starting point for discussions on better integrating the various help sites that we have
[00:16] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, PM'd
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> ok j1mc , i'm trying to do a few things at once right now
[00:18] <Rocket2DMn> if you ping me later i'll have another look to see if i have other sites
[00:18] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: no worries
[00:18] <j1mc> i'm preparing a note to the ML about it anyway
[00:19] <j1mc> have a good evening, Rocket2DMn and Captainkrtek
[00:19] <Captainkrtek> thanks, you too j1mc :)
[00:19] <Rocket2DMn> you too j1mc
[00:20] <MrChrisDruif> j1mc; Your Jim of the ML?
[00:20] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: yes, that's me.
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha :)
[00:21] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: are you on the ML? If so, what's your name on there? Chris Druif?
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, or just Chris...don't remember :)
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> I gave a the first reply on the blog
[00:22] <j1mc> ah, i see
[00:22] <Captainkrtek> mdke, are you around?
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> So I'm haven't been around very long
[00:23] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: no worries. welcome.
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> :P I think you also rejected my membership of the docs team, because it's for teams only
[00:24] <j1mc> we get that a lot - a lot of people apply through there.
[00:25] <MrChrisDruif> I can't remember is it's mentioned somewhere properly. Might help if it did :)
[00:25] <j1mc> i can't blame them for being a bit confused - you have to read some detailed stuff to see that you shouldn't apply to that group.
[00:25] <j1mc> it is mentioned on that page, yeah.
[00:25] <j1mc> you don't have to look elsewhere - it's right on the page.
[00:26] <j1mc> there is a separate page for the docs-contributors team, though, and people can easily join that team.
[00:26] <j1mc> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc-contributors
[00:26] <j1mc> here is the team that you may have tried to join: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-doc
[00:27] <Captainkrtek> I remember when I joined :P
[00:27] <Captainkrtek> or tried to ;-)
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> I got a friendly note attached to my rejection. I wanted to thank you for that j1mc :)
[00:28] <j1mc> if you have the time, take a look at this page and let me know if you can think of any docs- or help-related sites that i might have missed: http://ubuntuone.com/p/xqu/
[00:29] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: you are welcome! : )
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> There's only one side for server help?
[00:31] <j1mc> well, they are working on a set of cloud documentation and a an "ensemble" docs set.
[00:31] <j1mc> there is also various server help on the wiki, i assume.
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> For desktop and server you mean?
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> Just look for any app that is run from terminal ;)
[00:31] <Captainkrtek> MrChrisDruif, also welcome! :-) never welcomed you yet If I recall correctly
[00:31] <j1mc> "ensemble" is an ubuntu project related to the server/cloud
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks Captainkrtek , but I never properly introduces myself on the mailing-list, so partly my fault :P
[00:32] <Captainkrtek> ehh ive been afk, havent been watching the ML too closely in the past weeks
[00:33] <Captainkrtek> very busy with work
[00:33]  * MrChrisDruif has too many ML's ;)
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> manpages.ubuntu.com might be something for me O:-)
[00:34] <MrChrisDruif> If I look at that list, I think there are TOO MANY place you might be able to find help :-/
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> And I don't know how the Manual is set up, but shouldn't it just take pages from help.ubuntu.com and /community?
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know about your timezones....but at mine it's 1:37...AM
[00:38] <j1mc> it is 7:37 where i am, but i am normally one hour earlier (6:37pm).
[00:38] <j1mc> MrChrisDruif: ubuntu manual is technically an entirely separate project
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> When it's not daylight savings you mean?
[00:38] <j1mc> their work is not hosted on canonical servers
[00:39] <j1mc> i included them just as a ntoe
[00:39] <j1mc> note
[00:39] <MrChrisDruif> That I understand...was set up by Benjamin if I'm not mistaken?
[00:40] <j1mc> that's right.
[00:41] <MrChrisDruif> I can also understand why they wanted to do it...so you've got a one-stop shop for all the default apps in Ubuntu
[00:41] <MrChrisDruif> But now we've got the situation where something might be updated in the Manual, but not on the wiki
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> or help I should say
[00:45] <MrChrisDruif> But /me is going to bed...we'll discuss it another time :)
[00:46] <j1mc> take care, MrChrisDruif
[00:46] <j1mc> thanks for your input
[00:46] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, just my 2c....will get to the dollar shortly ;)
[00:46] <j1mc> yeah - the wiki doesn't receive the dedicated and regular tending that it requires
[00:46] <j1mc> it is easy to write - it is more difficult to maintain
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> If written properly, it doesn't need much maintaining...help pages that is
[00:48] <j1mc> sometimes... it depends on the topic
[00:49] <MrChrisDruif> True...
[00:49] <j1mc> all help requires a good deal of tending. but some stuff... like updating grub. those don't change as much. you're right.


[00:19] <mib_g0jb57> how can i stop these damn kids from turning off the taskbar?!
[00:20] <nickellery> mib_g0jb57, lock the computer
[00:20] <mib_g0jb57> and how can i require a password to make changes to the main menu?
[00:20] <TheSheep> kiosk mode?
[00:20] <TheSheep> xfce has it
[00:20] <TheSheep> it's in the xfce docs
[00:20] <mib_g0jb57> oh yeah? awesome
[00:20] <TheSheep> also googlable
[00:21] <mib_g0jb57> doing
[00:21] <mib_g0jb57> thanks
[00:21] <TheSheep> you want to look for 'kiosk'
[00:29] <kingair_six> hello, I got a question concerning network manager. where exactly can i get it from when i lost it? i don't have network access on xubuntu at the time, so i'll need a local install version? something like that around?
[00:30] <zoredache> what do you mean you lost it?  did you install it or is the icon not in the tray
[00:30] <zoredache> try running nm-applet --sm-disable if it is still installed
[00:30] <kingair_six> well, it was in the tray originally, but after inserting my pc wifi card, it quit, i don't know any better way to describe it
[00:30] <kingair_six> alright, 'll try that right away
[00:33] <kingair_six> hm, it is doing something when i punch it in, but not starting the applet nor giving out errors
[00:46] <yotux> Do the repos have plugins for thunar?
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> yotux: the repos have some...
[00:46] <yotux> coming from Gnome some things are different
[00:47] <zoredache> yotux: things being different is the point... if things where the same it would just be gnome
[00:47] <yotux> lol sorry
[00:48] <yotux> Like XFCE for the most part
[00:48] <zoredache> no need to be sorry, I am just fine-tuning my 'master-of-the-obvious' skills
[00:50] <TheSheep> I think most plugins for thunar are installed and enabled by default
[00:50] <TheSheep> at least the stable ones
[00:52] <yotux> ok
[00:52] <kingair_six> the command nm-applet --sm-disabled did not put out anything
[00:53] <yotux> is there a place that I can find a list of more light weight apps?
[01:36] <gkahla> anyone else having CUPS/printing issues after the update?
[01:37] <gkahla> I'm generating spooled print jobs, but the printer isn't spitting out paper. I can connect to a networked CUPS printer and send jobs there, but this is to a usb-connected device...
[03:36] <yotux> Is there a way to fix pulse audio in xubuntu
[04:36] <yotux> how can I stop pidgin from crazing
[04:36] <yotux> crashing
[04:37] <taggartbg42> yotux: what exactly is happening?
[04:37] <yotux> it freezing and then in no responsive
[04:37] <yotux> I am thinking maybe it could be related to the sound problem with pulse audio?
[04:38] <yotux> I notice GStreaming errors
[04:38] <yotux> I am not an advance user but have pidgin running in a cli with the debug flag running
[04:39] <taggartbg42> i'm not exactly sure, but if you provide more descriptive errors in #ubuntu, they should be able to help you
[04:40] <yotux> Does xubuntu have a bug fix for pulse audio?
[06:29] <whatisgoingon> where on earth can I add startup apps in xubuntu?
[06:29] <whatisgoingon> i can't find xinitrc either
[07:30] <sean_> I keep getting the error: Could not open "pager" module when trying to put a view of my desktops in the panel
[08:06] <japherwocky> how do I set up a hotkey or macro to launch a terminal?
[08:06] <japherwocky> or a keyboard shortcut, etc.
[08:07] <ablomen> japherwocky, go to the settings manager -> keyboard -> shortcuts
[08:15] <Uda> is someone able to help me set up a shell script to wget files listed in a textfile? i cant seem to get that at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=347151 to work
[08:21] <ablomen> if you just want to download all the files in a text file you can use wget -i /path/to/the/text/file
[08:22] <ablomen> that is, if the text file is just url<ENTER>url<ENTER>url etc etc, or i think even an html file with links in it would do
[12:07] <Jaco> hey does anybody know ho big is the ftpd file
[12:12] <drash> Hi all, anyone familiar with "trayer" on xubuntu hardy ?
[15:29] <mnemoc> hi, which gtk app do you recommend to play remote .pls files?
[15:31] <ablomen> mnemoc, afaik rhythmbox should be able to do that
[15:31] <mnemoc> ablomen: thanks, installing
[15:32] <ablomen> np, hope it actually works ;)
[15:33] <mnemoc> "mplayer movie player" play the music but it shows and hides very fast and continiously an error dialog
[15:37] <MiKa^> question here: if i disable 'launch gnome services at startup' (xubuntu) will this prevent me from running gnome apps? or will the gnome apps automatically start gnome services when they need it?
[15:38] <GryzorX> MiKa^: the services will start when you 1st need em
[15:38] <GryzorX> therefore, the 1st time it will take more time (while it loads the required services)
[15:38] <MiKa^> yes!
[15:38] <MiKa^> good
[15:39] <MiKa^> at least it will boot up my buntu faster... right?
[15:41] <GryzorX> MiKa^: *should* :)
[15:41] <MiKa^> lolz
[15:41] <MiKa^> kk thx
[15:41] <GryzorX> np
[15:42] <MiKa^> well
[15:42] <GryzorX> if you don't need a gnome app you can remove it entirely
[15:42] <MiKa^> i install my buntu in my pendrive
[15:42] <MiKa^> and settings are persistent
[15:42] <MiKa^> so whenever i decide to show off to my friends about my customized bunt, it takes too long to load
[15:42] <MiKa^> buntu*
[15:44] <MiKa^> since all computers have different amount of ram
[15:44] <MiKa^> well, so far only the 2gb ram computers boot with decent speed
[16:12] <edmond> hi all
[16:13] <edmond> i yesterday just update my xubuntu 8.04
[16:13] <edmond> i mean using update manager to update
[16:13] <edmond> but now my sound card only can sound but cannot using skype to chat mic ???any 1 can help
[16:14] <edmond> hello ?
[16:20] <GryzorX> edmond: hello.
[16:20] <GryzorX> edmond: have you checked your audio inputs and stuff like that?
[16:21] <edmond> i am newbie
[16:21] <edmond> but 1stime i intall xubuntu 8.04 all is ok
[16:22] <edmond> but yesterdat use update manager update now cannot use mic
[16:22] <edmond> record sound also cant
[16:22] <edmond> skype also cannot
[16:22] <edmond> but b4 update can
[16:22] <GryzorX> I'm not using xubuntu right now.. so I don't know what came in the update :S
[16:22] <edmond> if u say volume control i check all n umute all already
[16:23] <GryzorX> Have you gone to System -> Sound preferences?
[16:23] <edmond> now sound card got sound everthing is ok
[16:23] <edmond> only mic
[16:24] <edmond> yes
[16:24] <edmond> but no setting
[16:24] <edmond> xubuntu no like gnome
[16:25] <edmond> now skype cannot use mic is a problem
[16:25] <edmond> haizzz
[16:26] <edmond> so any 1 can help me pls
[16:27] <GryzorX> I don't know what to tell you.
[16:27] <GryzorX> You might want to try the #ubuntu channel, as there's more people there.
[16:29] <thinkmassive> I need to watch a quicktime video in firefox so I need to install a plugin... any recommendations on which media player is best?
[16:30] <GryzorX> thinkmassive: media player or firefox plugin?
[16:30] <edmond> ok thk
[16:30] <edmond> i go now
[16:30] <thinkmassive> firefox
[16:30] <thinkmassive> choices are: xine, totem, gxine, vlc, mplayer
[16:30] <GryzorX> thinkmassive: no idea. sry. I use Epiphany
[16:30] <GryzorX> i'd go VLC
[16:30] <GryzorX> but that's my choice.
[16:31] <thinkmassive> cool, I'm just asking for opinions anyway, thanks!
[16:31] <GryzorX> i seems to work with "anything" you throw to it.
[16:31] <thinkmassive> hah sounds good
[16:31] <thinkmassive> as long as it doesn't crash and it plays the files
[16:31] <GryzorX> it works here, crashes are not common.
[16:32] <thinkmassive> I just remember video being one of the lacking areas on my old home desktop install
[16:32] <thinkmassive> that was a while ago though
[16:32] <thinkmassive> I've heard good things about VLC from a friend who I introduced to ubuntu for his media pc too
[16:33] <GryzorX> with all its drawbacks, linux has grown very mature in that area. Things are not what it used to be :)
[16:33] <edmond> how to join ubuntu channel ?
[16:33] <thinkmassive>  /j #ubuntu
[16:34] <edmond> oh thk man
[16:34] <GryzorX> replace #ubuntu with any channel you'd like to join :)
[16:39] <edmond> friends seem no find any buddy to help in this
[16:40] <GryzorX> edmond: it may take time, people are busy
[16:40] <edmond> yeah
[16:40] <edmond> i know also
[16:40] <GryzorX> edmond: try Ekiga (comes with *buntu)
[16:40] <GryzorX> edmond: to see if you get any audio response in its testss
[16:40] <edmond> how ?
[16:42] <GryzorX> edmond: Ekiga has some sound tests when you 1st open it (and possible later) where you configure your audio and it lets you selecr your input/output and see if you can record/hear them.
[16:43] <edmond> i cannot record sound
[16:44] <edmond> i can hear music
[16:44] <edmond> i test already
[16:44] <GryzorX> :(
[16:45] <edmond> i also set to 100% already
[16:45] <edmond> haiz
[16:47] <GryzorX> edmond: could be an issue with PulseAudio
[16:47] <GryzorX> edmond: but I know nothing 'bout PA
[16:47] <edmond> pulse audio is wat ?
[16:47] <GryzorX> it's the "audio server" that shipped with ()buntu
[16:48] <edmond> hmm ?
[16:49] <GryzorX> http://www.pulseaudio.org/
[16:54] <edmond> oh no so many word
[16:54] <edmond> so headead
 : thk u help
[17:03] <FMR--> anyone here having a asus eee with xubuntu?
[17:05] <GryzorX> edmond: np, sorry I couldn't be of help.
[17:06] <edmond> sound problem also u
[17:06] <edmond> nvm but still got people help is feeling good for me already
[17:19] <defrex> automount doesn't seem to be working... is this just an xubuntu norm (I just started using it) or am I having some kind of issue?
[17:29] <defrex> or maybe it's just a problem with my card reader...
[17:30] <defrex> it works fine under a regular ubuntu install though
[17:32] <slimjimflim_> does anybody know of a package that will let me log into a windows machine nvia remote desktop?
[17:32] <TheSheep> rdesktop
[17:33] <TheSheep> and if you search for rdesktop in synaptic you will find some graphical clients too
[17:34] <defrex> if I'm trying to mount something manually, how can I find out what the /dev/?? name is?
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> defrex: try, fdisk -l
[17:34] <Odd-rationale> (lowercase L)
[17:35] <defrex> hmm, it doesn't seem to return anything
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> defrex: with sudo
[17:35] <defrex> ah
[17:36] <defrex> .. it's not there.
[17:36] <defrex> I guess the problem isn't just automount then
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> defrex: is it external or internal/
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> ?
[17:37] <defrex> it's an internal milt-card reader
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> is the card plugged in?
[17:37] <defrex> ya
[17:38] <Odd-rationale> defrex: could you pastebin the out put of "sudo fdisk -l" ?
[17:40] <defrex> http://pastebin.com/m3cc9f50d
[17:41] <defrex> the ntfs drive is a usb external I have
[17:42] <Odd-rationale> hmm. maybe you reader is not working... :-E
[17:43] <defrex> I guess it's possible. I've been using it with ubuntu for years with no problems... It only stopped working when I installed xubuntu, which makes suspect it's something more.
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> maybe xubuntu is missing some drivers that ubuntu preinstalls. idk...
[17:44] <defrex> lol, this is all just to get a new rsa.pub over after the ssh update...
[17:44] <defrex> I can't connect accross with ssh because I changed my keys...
[17:55] <defrex> so, my cdrom drive doesn't work anymore either...
[17:57] <defrex> this time there was an error message though http://pastebin.com/m6a9cb837
[18:14] <japherwocky> what should I be using to view pdfs?
[18:15] <thinkmassive> isn't "document viewer" installed by default?
[18:16] <thinkmassive> err evince
[18:16] <japherwocky> Not that I can find
[18:16] <thinkmassive> I guess document viewer is just what firefox calls when you open a pdf
[18:16] <thinkmassive> well evince works well for me
[18:16] <thinkmassive> ghostscript is another app
[18:17] <japherwocky> I'll give evince a whirl :)
[18:18] <japherwocky> and it works nicely :)
[18:20] <thinkmassive> excellent
[19:08] <PsynoKhi0> hi, was AIGLX enabled by default in xubuntu gutsy?
[19:48] <nikin> hy
[19:49] <nikin> how can i make policykit work for alternate window managers? i mean i use fluxbox with startx :) and the unlock button is grey on every policykit based app
[20:06] <mnemoc> hi, since i updated from 8.04 beta to final my terminal launcher stopped working, where can i see what is it really trying to launch as when i choose the terminal icon i can't write the path to xfce-terminal
[20:07] <zoredache> the command is 'xfce4-terminal'
[20:08] <mnemoc> what i mean is that if i choose the icon it doesn't ask me what to exec, and i can't see it neither
[20:08] <mnemoc> if i alt-f2 xfce4-terminal it works fine, but if i click on the launcher it does nothing
[20:08] <mnemoc> (since i updated)
[20:19] <thinkmassive> mnemoc: do you mean to say that the icon is visible on your panel but when you click on it the terminal doesn't launch?
[20:22] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: right
[20:23] <thinkmassive> can you right-click and choose properties?
[20:25] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: yes
[20:25] <thinkmassive> what does it say in the Command field?
[20:27] <mnemoc> the field at the right of the choosable icon is not editable and it says Terminal, the field after that is empty (i just was a terminal)
[20:27] <mnemoc> want*
[20:29] <thinkmassive> below the icon, isn't there a Command field?
[20:29] <thinkmassive> doh I'm on a 7.1 system right now, maybe it changed
[20:30] <thinkmassive> still, I don't see why you wouldn't just delete that broken launcher and create a new one
[20:30] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: i have done it, doesn't solve the problem
[20:30] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: but i just realized that if i add /bin/bash and run in terminal i get the old behavior
[20:31] <thinkmassive> how about Xmenu->Accessories->Terminal
[20:31] <thinkmassive> is the Command field empty?
[20:31] <mnemoc> that work
[20:31] <thinkmassive> you haven't answered that question yet
[20:31] <mnemoc> i'm not sure which is the command field, the translation is ugly
[20:31] <thinkmassive> there's a text field below the icon
[20:32] <thinkmassive> in it you should have: xfce4-terminal
[20:32] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: doh, ok
[20:34] <mnemoc> why having it empty before gave me a terminal?
[20:34] <thinkmassive> no idea
[20:34] <mnemoc> thinkmassive: thanks a lot for your time, i'm happy with my launcher now :)
[20:35] <thinkmassive> no prob, enjoy
[20:35] <mnemoc> :)
[20:39] <mnemoc> i assumed there was something like xdg-email wrapping the "favorite" terminal or so
[20:47] <nikin> can anyone help me to use policykit with fluxbox... for some reason it ails the get process information... so the unlock bttons stay grey... and after tripple check... i am in the polkituser group., and i am not running with sudo .... or at least how to rip out that piece of awfullness of the admn programs?
[20:50] <L0GG3D> hello
[20:50] <nikin> hy
[20:50] <nikin> can anyone help me to use policykit with fluxbox... for some reason it ails the get process information... so the unlock bttons stay grey... and after tripple check... i am in the polkituser group., and i am not running with sudo .... or at least how to rip out that piece of awfullness of the admn programs?
[20:51] <thinkmassive> you might try #fluxbox
[20:51] <thinkmassive> this is an xfce channel
[20:51] <nikin> its not a fluxbox issue
[20:52] <nikin> the main question is that what is the way xubuntu handels polkit.. what deamons are needed to be run etc...
[20:53] <L0GG3D> Is there an alternative for thunar?
[20:53] <nikin> and how to make it happen manualy... i am sure something is started durning gdm or xfce that makes it work
[20:53] <L0GG3D> i cant see my ntfs partition
[20:54] <ubuntunovice> logg3d: yes, nautilus
[20:54] <L0GG3D> thx
[20:54] <nikin> L0GG3D: there is nautilus.. wich is the default for gnome... there is konqueror.. the default for kde... if you like commander style stuff... mc (curses) krusader (KDE) are options to
[20:55] <nikin> but just take a look around in synaptic searching for: file manager .. you can find some more
[21:00] <TheSheep> there was a new commander-style one for gtk, forgot the name
[21:00] <L0GG3D> i have installed nautilus, but were/how can i start it?
[21:00] <nikin> gnome-commander
[21:01] <TheSheep> L0GG3D: from command line, best press alt+f2 and type nautilus
[21:01] <TheSheep> L0GG3D: it will be started automatically if you save the session when logging out
[21:03] <L0GG3D> thx, but it changed my background:P
[21:03] <L0GG3D> and style settings
[21:03] <TheSheep> http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=71 <-- a list of file management apps for gnome
[21:04] <TheSheep> (and gtk)
[21:06] <L0GG3D> i can mount my ntfs to see it with thunar but can you automount, so it loads on startup?
[21:07] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[21:14] <nikin> can anyone help me to use policykit with fluxbox... for some reason it ails the get process information... so the unlock bttons stay grey... and after tripple check... i am in the polkituser group., and i am not running with sudo .... or at least how to rip out that piece of awfullness of the admn programs?
[21:16] <thinkmassive> spamming the chan isn't going to help you
[21:16] <thinkmassive> if nobody is responding then try posting to a forum
[21:17] <nikin> thinkmassive: i dont want to spam the channel... i respect other peoples communication.. but every oncein a whle.. when some new people join i try again.. maybe the newcommers caan help
[21:26] <L0GG3D> How do you close nautilus?
[21:27] <L0GG3D> or is it closet when you exit?
[21:29] <nikin> if you started like : nautilus then not.. the desktop remains running
[21:30] <nikin> if you started with the nodesktop switch then it is closed
[21:57] <ubuntunovice> does anyone know a good podcast aggregator under ubuntu or xubuntu.. I read that icepodder does not work under 8.04 because xmms libraries are missing...
[21:58] <zoredache> I use podracer, a command line app,  it works fine for me
[21:59] <ubuntunovice> I#ll look into it...
[21:59] <zoredache> just put the rss urls into a text file and setup a cron job to start podracer occasionally
[21:59] <ubuntunovice> but I was hoping for something clickable..
[21:59] <ubuntunovice> might be good.... juice has some bugs.. some episodes are not downloaded...
[21:59] <zoredache> I hate clickable things because they don't run in the background...  I my podcast getter to get things when I am not there
[21:59] <zoredache> You might also try miro
[22:00] <zoredache> it is mostly setup for video, but I am pretty sure it audio as well
[22:00] <ubuntunovice> but podracer is not opensource..
[22:01] <zoredache> what are you looking at?  the one I am using has what looks like a bsd/mit license
[22:01] <zoredache> http://podracer.sourceforge.net/license.php
[22:01] <ubuntunovice> u r right
[22:01] <zoredache> use 'sudo apt-get install podracer'
[22:16] <L0GG3D> Hello
[22:17] <L0GG3D> can anyone help me with compiz fusion?
[23:01] <dan798> hi all. i'm trying to install xubuntu on an old sony picture book a friend just gave me.  I downloaded 8.04, I am able to boot off the disc, and i see the little bar thingy going back and forth all blue - then it goes to BusyBox and gives me a prompt.  Anyone?
[23:03] <favro> dan798: first check is to run the md5 check when you boot into the disk
[23:03] <TheSheep> !md5
[23:05] <eross> if I delete my top panel and find out I need it back, how do I do that
[23:06] <eross> I'm running awn
[23:07] <japherwocky> xfce4-panel &
[23:07] <japherwocky> ?
[23:08] <eross> interesting
[23:08] <eross> this is all new to me japherwocky, since i was weaned off of kde and played with gnome a little
[23:09] <zoredache> eross: did you close the panel, or did you actually delete it?  If it was actually deleted then starting the panel again won't help
[23:09] <zoredache> if you deleted it then you just go into the settings and add a new panel, then put the stuff you want on the panel onto it
[23:10] <eross> i'm too fraid to play with anything right now, it's working great but want to move my top down to the awn applet
[23:11] <eross> i would do the right-click and remove option
[23:14] <eross> so if I remove that panel, it wont exist as a task right?  Then all I have to do if I need it back is the xfce4-panel &
[23:14] <zoredache> eross: no
[23:15] <zoredache> if you remove it, then it is gone
[23:16] <zoredache> if you want to save things, then make a backup ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[23:21] <eross> thanks, zoredache
[23:24] <dan798> eeepc


[14:55] <dragonbite> :)
[14:55] <ragib> hello
[14:55] <ragib> anyone here?
[14:55] <ragib> need help
[14:56] <dragonbite> I'm here, but I am not much help
[14:57] <dragonbite> If you are having problem with the video on the page, go to the YouTube page and it seems more active.
[14:57] <dragonbite> Either by clicking the YouTube icon on the video or go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7kHZc9M0pg
[14:57] <dragonbite> The YouTube version is timing down (2 minutes now)
[14:58] <davidcalle> Hello, we'll start in a couple minutes :)
[14:58] <davidcalle> ragib: what do you need help with?
[15:00] <dragonbite> it this Thursday UoA normal? Or is this a special one?
[15:00] <dragonbite> normal == regular or recurring schedule
[15:00] <davidcalle> dragonbite: it's a javascript scopes Q&A for the Ubuntu scopes showdown https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/
[15:01] <dragonbite> I'm haven't been able to get my SDK working, let alone try to build a scope or a webapp, but that's another story...
[15:03] <ragib> i have installed ubuntu. some website like https://www.jetbrains.com this site can't load
[15:03] <ragib> is there any solution?
[15:03] <ragib> i have googled but nothing found that could be useful
[15:04] <dragonbite> does jetbrains run Flash or Java?  and are you using Firefox?
[15:06] <dragonbite> QUESTION: is there a performance hit using Javascript over the other language?
[15:06] <ragib> i am using firefox. but same thing happens with chrome
[15:07] <ricardogsilva> did the QA start already? I' not seeing any video feed yet?
[15:07] <dragonbite> go to youtube and it runs
[15:07] <dragonbite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7kHZc9M0pg
[15:09] <ricardogsilva> QUESTION: can I use the new audio cards to allow music playback directly on the search page?
[15:10] <ragib> both java and flash are installed
[15:10] <ricardogsilva> QUESTION: can I ship a new online account provider together with a scope?
[15:13] <marcustomlinson> ricardogsilva: unity-js-scopes
[15:13] <davidcalle> http://pad.lv/p/unity-js-scopes
[15:14] <ricardogsilva> OK, I'll report a bug then, thanks ;)
[15:14] <marcustomlinson> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/cpp/sdk-15.04.1/index/
[15:17] <davidcalle> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/online-accounts-developer-guide/
[15:17] <ricardogsilva> thanks marcus, I'll look more into the online accounts provider issue
[15:20] <dragonbite> QUESTION: is the Javascript scopes the gateway to get people in and then a hope to push them to C++, or will Javascript always be a 1st class citizen?
[15:21] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Any other languages being looked at for being supported or included in the SDK?
[15:25] <ricardogsilva> QUESTION: how can I run my js scope on my phone when I get 'Using a custom scopelauncher is not yet supported' (maybe this is not an appropriate question here...)
[15:26] <dragonbite> a-HA!
[15:26] <dragonbite> :)
[15:26] <dragonbite> *BUSTED* ;)
[15:28] <dragonbite> QUESTION: These scopes are for Unity 8, which is coming to the desktop soon and there is a tablet to come out in March, does the difference form factors cause any problems with development and debugging?
[15:28] <ricardogsilva> cool, I'll try it out, thanks
[15:29] <dragonbite> QUESTION: any suggestions for development and debugging scopes when you don't have an Ubuntu phone?  Or just use the SDK's emulator?
[15:36] <dragonbite> cool
[15:37] <dragonbite> QUESTION: is all of the documentation for scopes development under https://developer.ubuntu.com or are there other sources?
[15:43] <davidcalle> http://p/developer-ubuntu-com
[15:43] <davidcalle> http://pad.lv/p/developer-ubuntu-com
[15:43] <dragonbite> what about back-and-forth for questions (like forum or irc)?
[15:44] <marcustomlinson> #ubuntu-devel
[15:44] <ricardogsilva> checking out the unit and integration tests is a nice tip, hdn't thought of that!
[15:45] <davidcalle> https://askubuntu.com
[15:46] <marcustomlinson> unity-js-scopes
[15:46] <marcustomlinson> https://answers.launchpad.net/unity-js-scopes
[15:47] <dragonbite> Great! Thanks!
[15:50] <dragonbite> QUESTION: what is the coolest scope you've seen so far?  Is it C++, JS or Go?
[15:53] <dragonbite> :)
[15:58] <davidcalle> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/
[15:58] <ricardogsilva> thank you david and marcus for your time. this has been a very nice and motivating session!   cheers :)
[15:59] <dragonbite> So i have a few weeks to get my SDK working! :)
[15:59] <marcustomlinson> dragonbite: what problems are you having?
[16:00] <marcustomlinson> #ubuntu-app-devel
[16:00] <dragonbite> I'm not in front of it currently but it tries to run some update and ends with an error that I don't remember at this time.
[16:01] <dragonbite> Thanks for this guys!  This is great and very motivating!
[16:02] <marcustomlinson> Thanks for the good questions!
[16:02] <davidcalle> dragonbite: ricardogsilva thanks guys!
[16:02] <dragonbite> btw, the calendar doesn't show anything for tomorrow
[16:02] <dragonbite> this calendar http://is.gd/OWD4uc
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> dragonbite: the schedule is at the bottom of https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> although
[16:04] <marcustomlinson> yeah, no time :P
[16:05] <dragonbite> the IRC window has the link I mentioned along the top for "Upcoming Schedule"
[16:05] <dragonbite> I was hopeful because I pulled it into my Google calendar so it automatically shows up
[16:07] <dragonbite> btw.. I think this was great!  It was focused a little more than the usual Tuesday ones (which I put on my work calendar! :) )
[16:12] <davidcalle> dragonbite: it will be in the onair calendar in a few hours (the guy maintaining it just went to bed :) )
[16:13] <dragonbite> that's one thing I have to keep reminding myself.. Ubuntu is global so while it's 11 AM here, it's midnight somewhere! :)
[16:16] <dragonbite> bye guys!


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[01:57] <cmaloney> Does someone have ops?
[01:57] <jrwren> who registered this channel?
[01:58] <cmaloney> I think greg-g did?
[02:04] <Scary_Guy> wish I knew some hackers so that site could get DDOS'ed.  I'm sure eventually they'll spam the wrong channel though
[02:15] <_stink_> that stuff has been on chatspike recently too
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[02:33] <Scary_Guy> greg-g can you set this to +r please?   or set cmaloney up with ops?
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[04:28] <greg-g> Scary_Guy: done
[04:29] <_stink_> greg-g++++
[05:13] <cmaloney> Gratzie
[08:46] <Scary_Guy> TY fearless leader
[11:50] <Scary_Guy> morning
[14:48] <waldo323> good morning
[14:49] <waldo323> just saw the news blurb that blue microphones is being acquired by logitech
[14:49] <cmaloney> Yay.
[14:49] <cmaloney> I'll get the pistols
[14:50]  * cmaloney is a little salty of how they mishandled the Squeezebox
[14:50] <cmaloney> And UE is now just a silly branding of lesser equipment
[15:21] <mrgoodcat> hello
[15:45] <jrwren> how does one set themselves to +R ?
[15:45] <waldo323> : /mode waldo323 +R
[15:46] <waldo323> (without the colon and space)
[15:50] <waldo323> do we have an operator for this channel?
[15:58]  * greg-g raises hand
[15:59] <jrwren> thanks waldo323
[16:01] <waldo323> jrwren, you are welcome
[16:01]  * waldo323 waves at greg-g
[18:40] <mrgoodcat> what does +R do?
[18:50] <greg-g> for the channel it limits joining to only those with registered accounts, for your user account it only allows registered accounts to PM you
[19:07] <mrgoodcat> oh cool
[19:08] <mrgoodcat> for anyone interested the company I work for is hosting a conference at ford field this fall https://devone.us
[19:09] <mrgoodcat> the speaker list on the site isn't completely finished, we're still trying to get a couple more people
[19:14] <jrwren> wow Vectorform is still around and doing conferences. cool.
[19:15] <mrgoodcat> did you work there before?
[19:20] <jrwren> no. I met a guy from there once. They were doing cool stuff at the time.
[19:51] <mrgoodcat> yea they still are. my coworkers twin works there


[13:10] <Yemoloh> Hi everybody
[13:12] <diogenes_> !hi
[13:17] <Yemoloh> Yes, Is anybody has a notebook with NVIDIA GTX 1050 GPU ? and is it compatible with Xubuntu ?
[21:06] <sorinello> xtao, hello. did you manage to dig ddeper with our issue ?
[23:29] <DarkTrick> I have an micro SD card (NTFS, 256GB), works fine on windows, but on ubuntu I can't use it. dmesg shows many "blk_update_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0 op 0x0" errors


[00:10] <mhall119> wxl: thanks, I see that you include a message explaining why you decline somebody, which is great, but you might want to add something that tells them how to let you know they aren't spammers
[00:15] <wxl> mhall119: will do. i was copying popey. :)
[00:16] <knome> copey
[00:16] <popey> oi
[00:17] <wxl> cpey
[00:17] <popey> i only did that when i found conclusive proof
[00:18] <popey> like existing spam on a wiki somwhere
[00:18] <wxl> well this seemed to follow a general pattern:
[00:18] <popey> some of them are sloppy
[00:18] <popey> they re use names
[00:18] <popey> true
[00:18] <wxl> yeah there was like what appeared to be random characters in the email
[00:18] <wxl> which was the same as the username/lp id
[00:18] <popey> its quite a science
[00:18] <wxl> there was no wiki page that could be found
[00:18] <wxl> they had just become lp members
[00:19] <wxl> they had no memberships and virtually no activity
[00:19] <popey> yeah, i guess tge
[00:19] <popey> gah
[00:19] <wxl> admittedly said user had one bug related to appstream
[00:19] <wxl> but i figured they were just trying to be slick
[00:19] <popey> the odd false positive will happen
[00:19] <wxl> it wasn't the most verbose bug report
[00:19]  * wxl shrugs
[00:19] <knome> there was another one recently
[00:19] <popey> nvm
[00:20] <wxl> i think i may leave the door open a little wider next time
[00:20] <popey> :)
[00:21] <wxl> "We have had a rash of spam on our wiki and your Launchpad membership seems to contain many of the traits from spammy Launchpad members. There is the possibility you have a legitimate need, of course. Should that be the case, feel free to get in touch."
[00:22] <knome> get in touch by...?
[00:22] <wxl> i was thinking about not being too verbose, but maybe i should
[00:22] <wxl> if you tell them too clearly how to fix their problem, then the spammers will fix THEIR problem, too :)
[00:23] <knome> but if you don't tell how they are supposed to be in touch...
[00:23] <wxl> actually it should say so at the end of the message.. lemme see
[00:26] <wxl> harumph hard to say
[00:26] <wxl> "We have had a rash of spam on our wiki and your Launchpad membership seems to contain many of the traits from spammy Launchpad members. There is the possibility you have a legitimate need, of course. Should that be the case, please get in touch with the team admins via the Launchpad page and let us know what you'd like to do."
[00:27] <knome> ermm... they would like to join the team? :)
[00:27] <wxl> well they should have a reason for joining the team
[00:27] <wxl> and that reason should be that they want to do SOMETHING on the wiki
[00:27] <wxl> not that they think the etherpad team is really cool :)
[00:28] <wxl> "We have had a rash of spam on our wiki and your Launchpad membership seems to contain many of the traits from spammy Launchpad members. There is the possibility you have a legitimate need, of course. Should that be the case, please get in touch with the team admins via the Launchpad page and let us know what you wish to accomplish with joining this team."
[00:29] <knome> hmm.
[00:32] <wxl> well i'm headed home
[00:32] <knome> "We are declining your membership because your Launchpad account seems to contain many of the traits from spammy Launchpad users. If this is a mistake, get in touch with the team admins via the Launchpad page and we will help you get approved."
[00:32] <wxl> much simpler, knome :)
[00:32] <wxl> +1


[13:38] <bencrisford> highvoltage, good afternoon :)
[15:37] <highvoltage> hey bencrisford, how are you doing?
[15:59] <bencrisford> highvoltage, I'm doing good thanks :) its great to be back, how are things?
[16:18] <highvoltage> bencrisford: doing good!
[16:19] <bencrisford> highvoltage: meetings still wednesday?
[16:24] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep! still the usual time.
[16:25] <bencrisford> highvoltage:  I shall be there
[16:25] <highvoltage> great!
[16:25] <highvoltage> good to have you back :)
[16:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage:  am i right in thinking that the channel topic might need updating? :)
[16:35] <bencrisford> ill brb, nvidia wants a reboot
[16:35] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yes :)
[21:37] <scythe> hi, where can I get negativelists to import in edubuntu?


[16:34] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:34] <jjohansen> \o
[16:34] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 24 16:34:20 2015 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:34] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:34] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:35] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:35] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:35] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:35] <jdstrand> I've got work planning to do, various design/document reviews and an embargoed issue
[16:37] <jdstrand> I have a couple a snappy/apparmor things I should get to. if I have time I may pick on of those up (regenerating seccomp profiles) unless I'm needed to help with a reactive update
[16:37] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up (fyi, sb eattie is off tooday)
[16:37] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place
[16:38] <mdeslaur> I'll be going down the CVE list, and doing updates this week
[16:38] <mdeslaur> hrm, that's about it
[16:38] <mdeslaur> who's next? tyhicks?
[16:39] <sarnold> he's in another meeting atm, maybe jjohansen or I?
[16:39] <jdstrand> jjohansen:
[16:40] <jdstrand> jjohansen then sarnold
[16:40] <jjohansen> right so
[16:40] <jjohansen> I am recovering from LSS this week
[16:40] <jjohansen> I guess that means writing a trip report :P
[16:41] <jdstrand> yes! I'm curious how it went :)
[16:41] <jjohansen> I will be working on apparmor, I have a couple crasher bugs to hopefully finish with, finish up my dconf apparmor review, and then get back to work on stacking apparmor
[16:42] <jjohansen> it went well enough
[16:42] <jdstrand> nice
[16:42] <jjohansen> some stuff was even interesting
[16:42] <jjohansen> :)
[16:42] <jdstrand> hehe
[16:43] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me sarnold you're up
[16:43] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week; I've got most of a week's ignored emails to plow through, the lihux plumbers trip report to write, and juju MIR to work on
[16:44] <sarnold> I'd also like to get the oval publishing running for the nice folks who contributed it to us
[16:44] <jdstrand> yes
[16:44] <jdstrand> that was nice
[16:45] <sarnold> probably one of our existing machines / services will be a good place to locate it; it shouldn't take too much
[16:45] <sarnold> that's it for me, is chrisccoulson around? or is it back to jdstrand?
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> I'm here
[16:45] <jdstrand> he is
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> I plan to get thunderbird out this week (hopefully today or tomorrow). I'll also be catching up on oxide reviews and trying to get that back on track
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I don't think I have anything else planned
[16:47] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:47] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:47] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:48] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cxxtools.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/teeworlds.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gromacs.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libmodplug.html
[16:48] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:48] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:53] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[16:53] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[16:53] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 16:53:14 2015 UTC.
[16:53] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-08-24-16.34.moin.txt
[16:53] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand!
[16:55] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[16:55] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand


[00:43] <bluesabre> good evening folks
[00:43] <Unit193> Well hey!  It's a bluesabre!
[00:50] <bluesabre> oh hey, we have abiword/gnumeric/libreoffice/gimp all installed
[00:50] <bluesabre> how'd that happen :\
[00:50] <Unit193> You updated the seed without the meta, right?
[00:51] <bluesabre> yeah, updated the seed the other day before the meta branch was available
[00:51] <Unit193> Tadaaaa.
[00:51] <bluesabre> so I'm just surpised to see LO there with everything else
[00:51] <Unit193> Not really.
[00:52] <bluesabre> time to dig in :)
[00:55] <Unit193> Need anything?
[00:58] <bluesabre> not sure yet, you going to go hide?
[00:58] <bluesabre> :)
[00:58] <bluesabre> can't blame you ;)
[00:59] <Unit193> Well, it's hot so there's that, and I do have my summer headache. :P
[01:00] <bluesabre> germinate is dying hard
[01:00] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087597/
[01:01] <bluesabre> suppose I can go edit the code and learn more
[01:01] <Unit193> wiley?
[01:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[01:01] <bluesabre> er
[01:01] <Unit193> !wily
[01:01] <bluesabre> ah
[01:01] <bluesabre> dang it
[01:01] <bluesabre> :p
[01:02]  * Unit193 tazes bluesabre.
[01:02]  * bluesabre deserves it
[01:06] <bluesabre> ok, you can go away Unit193, germinate is smarter when I type correctly
[01:06] <Unit193> hah.
[01:14] <bluesabre> ahhhhh http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087738/
[01:17]  * Unit193 had forgotten about gimp actually passing.
[02:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: still around
[02:12] <bluesabre> ?
[02:16] <Unit193> No.
[02:18] <bluesabre> too late
[02:18] <bluesabre> :D
[02:18] <bluesabre> now to figure out how to set -tango as the default scheme in x-d-s
[02:21] <Unit193> Doesn't by default?
[02:21] <bluesabre> dunno
[02:21] <bluesabre> might prefer some other by default
[02:21] <bluesabre> galaxy is the one lo ships with
[02:21] <Unit193> And we have galaxy?
[02:22] <bluesabre> looks like tango does get default
[02:22] <bluesabre> so thats pleasant
[02:22] <bluesabre> good to see that lo is smart in that regard
[02:22] <Unit193> Now to keep -math and -base out. :P
[02:23] <bluesabre> sound like fun
[02:23] <bluesabre> blacklist magic?
[02:23] <Unit193> I don't remember being explicit about which I install, and libreoffice-style-tango is installed.
[02:23] <Unit193> Sure galaxy is default? :P
[02:23]  * bluesabre doesn't know anymore
[02:24] <bluesabre> -tango is default on today's image
[02:24] <bluesabre> so thats a good sign at least
[02:25] <bluesabre> and base is not installed, just math to deal with
[02:25] <bluesabre> is that possible to get rid of, I think that power's writer's latex ability
[02:26] <bluesabre> seems to be
[02:26] <bluesabre> need to stop writing before I test things
[02:26] <bluesabre> :D
[02:26] <Unit193> It's a seperate thing.
[02:26] <bluesabre> gotcha
[02:27] <bluesabre> so, just blacklist -math might do the trick
[02:27] <Unit193> Doubt it, but hey.
[02:28] <bluesabre> heyyyyy
[02:28] <Unit193> How you doin'? ;)
[02:29] <Unit193> blacklist is kind of useless, just makes sure something isn't selected as part of the task, not whether it's installed or not.
[02:29] <bluesabre> ah
[02:29] <Unit193> Only way to nicely do that is to create an xubuntu-blacklists package that conflicts (which I'd love, but that'd make micahg very unhappy, understandably so.)
[02:29] <bluesabre> ah
[02:30] <bluesabre> a
[02:30] <bluesabre> :D
[02:30] <bluesabre> well, we can hack on it and figure something out in the next few days
[02:31] <Unit193> I'd like to get gnome-user-guide and -math out, maybe some others, but oh well.
[02:31] <bluesabre> when we start with the blueprints, get those on there :)
[02:32]  * micahg suggests leaving math as it's small
[02:33]  * bluesabre waves at micahg
[02:33] <micahg> I think we also lose a version of webkit now as well
[02:33] <micahg> hi bluesabre
[02:33] <Unit193> Oh what dropped it?
[02:33] <micahg> gimp
[02:33] <micahg> unless that was patched
[02:33] <Unit193> And yeah, understandable if that needed gtk2 webkit, ubiquity needs the other.
[02:34] <micahg> oh, looks like that was patched out already, nevermind
[02:35] <Unit193> Anywho, just pointed out you'd not like -blacklist at all, didn't want to bother you too much. :P
[02:35] <bluesabre> thanks
[02:36] <micahg> I'm slightly concerned about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application-gtk2/<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3, ISTR we had an issue with the indicator gtk2 and gtk3 packages installing the same service
[02:37] <micahg> we could just install the service in a separate binary that mate could seed
[02:38] <micahg> or maybe it doesn't break anymore, idk, but it's something that should be tested
[02:38] <bluesabre> yeah, we did have an issue with that and at least one of the indicators
[02:38] <bluesabre> I'll be sure to take a look at that
[02:38] <micahg> thanks
[02:38] <Unit193> indicator-*-gtk2 need to go away as they don't really work well. :3
[02:39] <micahg> well, as soon as all the panel plugins are gtk3 it can go, right?
[02:40] <Unit193> We don't use it ourselves, not sure it even works in Lubuntu but LXQt will make it of no use, so it's just MATE.
[02:40] <bluesabre> not sure, I was thinking that package was support for gtk2 panels
[02:40] <Unit193> Yes.
[02:41] <Unit193> xfce4-indicator-plugin is gtk3.
[02:41] <bluesabre> xfce panel wraps gtk2 and gtk3 and has escaped the issue
[02:41] <micahg> oh, we're not using it anymore
[02:41]  * micahg apparently is working with out of date info...
[02:41] <micahg> seeded-in-ubuntu indicator-application-gtk2
[02:41] <micahg> indicator-application-gtk2 (from indicator-application-gtk2) is seeded in:
[02:41] <micahg>   lubuntu: daily, daily-live
[02:44] <micahg> hum, so lubuntu is using both...
[02:44] <Unit193> Using, or shipping? :)
[02:44] <micahg> daily/daily-live
[02:44] <Unit193> lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin Depends: libgtk2.0-0
[02:45] <Unit193> Ah right, yeah they still use alternates.
[02:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oooh, going to email -permissions soon? :3
[02:47] <bluesabre> re xfce?
[02:47] <micahg> what's the question?
[02:47] <Unit193> Yep, bluesabre.
[02:47] <bluesabre> wanting to get an xfce packageset
[02:47] <micahg> do we need an xfce and xubuntu?
[02:48] <Unit193> xfce would include stuff we don't ship, nor plan to.
[02:48] <bluesabre> ^
[02:48] <micahg> do we want to support t?
[02:49] <bluesabre> I'm one of the xfce devs, so it feels kinda natural for me
[02:49] <bluesabre> :)
[02:49] <Unit193> Sean/(eventually I) would like access to it, at least.  Like xfce4-time-out-plugin, -eyes-plugin, thunar-dropbox, xfdashboard, etc.
[02:49] <micahg> if xubuntu wants to support the xfce packages we're not shipping, just add them to the supported seed
[02:50] <micahg> if xubuntu doesn't want to support them, then there could be a case for a packageset
[02:51] <bluesabre> we'd want to maintain them, but not ship them
[02:51] <micahg> I believe that's the purpose of the supported seed
[02:51] <Unit193> Fancy..
[02:52] <bluesabre> aha
[02:52] <bluesabre> somehow missed that all this time :)
[02:52] <Unit193> Do they have to already exist in the archive?
[02:53] <micahg> yes
[02:53] <micahg> need a sync?
[02:53] <Unit193> We're planning on bringing in xfdashboard and xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin for wily.
[02:54] <micahg> they're not in Debian either, right?
[02:54] <Unit193> Right.
[02:55] <micahg> ok, well, the flavor packagesets are updated semi-regularly, so whenever they make it in the archive, they can be added to supported
[02:55] <micahg> I think the Ubuntu supported seed is a better guide for what's possible
[02:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Time to trim d/changelog, update vcs, and upload?
[02:59] <bluesabre> seems so
[02:59] <bluesabre> micahg: thanks for the pointers, I'll take a look at that in the coming days
[03:01] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/FGxfJj2w18rSHySndG7f
[03:02] <bluesabre> tidy
[03:02] <Unit193> If you're good, I'll commit and be done. :D
[03:04] <bluesabre> looks good to me
[03:05] <bluesabre> do we have a needs-packaging bug for that one? we can start poking and maybe get micahg to +1 it
[03:05]  * micahg suggests uploading to Debian...
[03:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Puuushed.
[03:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: let's get it into pkg-xfce then :)
[03:08] <Unit193> Goooooood luck..
[03:09]  * bluesabre will try to get himself closer to pkg-xfce
[03:10] <micahg> hrm, I thouhgt I had access at some point, apparently I don't
[03:10] <micahg> https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-xfce
[03:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: So we, Xubuntu, would like to maintain it under the pkg-xfce umbrella or what?  I figure I'll try talking to Corsac.
[03:11] <Unit193> micahg: Yeah, SVN. :/
[03:11] <Unit193> s/would like/would be willing/
[03:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[03:12] <bluesabre> since its an "official" xfce project now, should be easier
[03:15] <bluesabre> I wonder if Corsac would add me if I just clicked the request to join button...
[03:15] <bluesabre> worth a shot :)
[03:19] <Unit193> We need to figure out the svn workflow. :/
[03:20] <bluesabre> I've done it a bit before with pkg-xfce
[03:20] <bluesabre> er
[03:20] <bluesabre> python
[03:20] <bluesabre> :D
[03:20] <bluesabre> PAPT
[03:21] <Unit193> I have not. \o/
[03:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Both xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and xfdashboard are now waiting and ready for wily!
[03:22] <micahg> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/trunk/
[03:22] <Unit193> Yep, exactly...
[03:22] <micahg> git is better...
[03:23] <bluesabre> !svn is better
[03:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: cvs?
[03:23] <bluesabre> ah
[03:23] <bluesabre> nvm
[03:23] <bluesabre> <3 git
[03:23] <Unit193> I'll take git, hg, or even bzr.
[03:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Think we can con micahg into uploading?
[03:24] <micahg> Unit193: did my GPG key magically make it into the Debian keyring?
[03:25] <Unit193> micahg: I meant Ubuntu. :P
[03:25] <micahg> it's early, any reason we can't go through Debian?
[03:28] <bluesabre> no reason, just ubuntu is easier.  We'll get it into debian
[03:28] <Unit193> Pretty much...
[03:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Since you're there, gonna ask?
[03:30] <bluesabre> actually, was going to bed now
[03:30] <Unit193> Awwh, sleepy Seany.
[03:30] <bluesabre> but I can ask tomorrow after Corsac sees my pkg-xfce join request
[03:30] <Unit193> Hah, well alright.  Good luck sir, and good luck sleeping..
[03:31] <bluesabre> thanks
[03:31] <bluesabre> good luck sleeping, or drinking coffee, or recharging, whichever you do :D
[03:32] <micahg> if we get closer to alpha 1 and it's not in, we can look at going through Ubuntu, otherwise, I'd much prefer going through Debian
[03:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, last I knew he wasn't interested in thunar-dropbox.
[03:33] <bluesabre> we can try again
[03:33] <bluesabre> and I can put my seal of approval on it
[03:33] <Unit193> (It's in Debian already, but my package.  Feel free though!)
[03:33] <bluesabre> if thats worth anything
[03:33] <bluesabre> :D
[03:33] <Unit193> G'night, sleep well.
[07:17] <Unit193> Speaking of which, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, new version, PPA'd.
[07:24] <elfy> Unit193: in one of the team ppa's or yours
[07:24] <Unit193> elfy: xubuntu-dev/extras to be exact, team ppa.
[07:24] <elfy> oh - don't use that one
[07:25] <elfy> just the staging and dev one
[07:25] <Unit193> Makes sense, those aren't in the real repo yet.
[07:25] <elfy> I guess if we're going to move to that it'll end up on one of the 2 eventually
[09:20] <xnox> so i think xfce looks slick
[09:20]  * xnox ponders to switch from unity
[09:21] <Unit193> Nice!  We try out best.
[09:21] <Luyin> xnox go for it baby :P
[11:09] <xnox> wow! snap to corner!
[11:09] <xnox> yes! i want that!
[11:10]  * xnox ponders if i can still have all of my indicators
[11:10] <xnox> and the xfce panels seem to overlap badly horum.
[11:10]  * xnox kind of likes unity launcher - which is combination of favorites & current windows
[11:16] <Unit193> Thought there was a panel plugin for that...
[11:18]  * xnox ponders how much stuff will break if I keep ubuntu-desktop installed and install xubuntu-desktop on top.
[11:18] <Unit193> Not sure if it's one of the things you liked, but there's xfdashboard.  Also, if you're going to do that, I'd recommend xubuntu-core over xubuntu-desktop.
[11:27] <xnox> ok. and i'll study shiny things that i'm missing, just by inspecting the seeds.
[11:28] <Unit193> Unity likes indicators, xfce likes panel plugins. :P
[11:32] <xnox> ok, it looks mostly ok
[11:32] <xnox> i did "xubuntu session" rather than "xfce session"
[11:33] <xnox> a few things give away that i have dual stack installed.... e.g. panel indicators are just plain weird.
[11:33] <xnox> but it's ok
[11:33] <xnox> however, the panel doesn't duplicate on to dual-screen =(
[11:40] <xnox> ok worked it out, i think
[11:55] <bluesabre> today's image, is this the same issue we were having before with the install freezing on restart? http://i.imgur.com/2NlabKo.png
[11:56] <bluesabre> live runs fine, install looks good, just the restart bit
[11:57] <bluesabre> gotta run now...
[11:58] <bluesabre> pleia2: sorry I can't make it to the meeting, but I hope you get a lot of attendance from the others :)
[11:58] <bluesabre> everyone else, seed updated last night, so now we have removed abiword/gnumeric/gimp and have libreoffice writer/calc/math
[11:59] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:31] <elfy> bluesabre: not tried for a few days - but restart was same as before - fail in vm
[12:51] <xnox> horum. i don't like it.
[12:51] <xnox> ended up making it look like unity
[12:51] <xnox> and there are annoying things about it - lack of global menu, multi-monitor panels, and so on.
[12:52] <xnox> e.g. i have a panel for each of the dual monitors, but i need to add things to whisker menu "favourites" twice.... per each screen =(
[17:57] <pleia2> almost meeting time
[17:57] <elfy> almost
[18:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[18:00] <pleia2> hello! who all is here for the xubuntu community meeting?
[18:00] <elfy> piskie is
[18:01] <pleia2> o/ elfy
[18:01] <pleia2> I guess we'll wait a couple minutes for the crowds to gather
[18:01] <elfy> yep
[18:02] <pleia2> !team | meeting time!
[18:03] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda
[18:03] <elfy> lots about ...
[18:04] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[18:04] <pleia2> elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)
[18:04] <pleia2> that was done :)
[18:04] <elfy> yea
[18:04] <pleia2> xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles
[18:05] <pleia2> dunno about that one
[18:05] <pleia2> (which is also our first agenda item)
[18:05] <elfy> there was a mail to the list
[18:05] <pleia2> yeah, last month
[18:05] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html
[18:05] <elfy> bluesabre replied - no-one else did
[18:05]  * pleia2 nods
[18:06] <elfy> can't remember positively - but think there was some discussion in channel and a sort of acceptance it might be a good thing
[18:06] <pleia2> wfm
[18:06] <elfy> but - given it was a knome - might be better to just move on today
[18:06]  * pleia2 nods
[18:06] <elfy> *thinh
[18:06] <pleia2> that was it for open action items
[18:06] <pleia2> #topic Team updates
[18:06] <elfy> lol
[18:06] <pleia2> I don't have anything
[18:07] <elfy> #info QA started to plan Wily
[18:07] <pleia2> yay
[18:07] <elfy> that's it :p
[18:07] <pleia2> :)
[18:07] <pleia2> alright, on to agenda items
[18:08] <pleia2> Rebooting the FAQ articles is on the list, but no knome or docs people, so maybe we bump until next meeting
[18:08] <elfy> wfm
[18:08] <pleia2> Package testing, anyone?
[18:08] <elfy> well yes :D
[18:08] <pleia2> #topic Package testing
[18:08] <elfy> so - this is bluesabre and my position
[18:08] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/Q4KEDumc
[18:09] <elfy> which boils down to lets not bother this cycle
[18:09] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[18:09] <elfy> is what got tested and reported to the tracker last cycle
[18:09] <elfy> I will move forward assuming that we are NOT going to bother with packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <pleia2> makes sense
[18:10] <elfy> unless someone pipes up with a reasonable reason as to why we should
[18:10] <elfy> but - kind of plan in the paste referenced above = mail list and ping social media if and when we've got a specific testing need
[18:11]  * pleia2 nods
[18:11] <elfy> done on that
[18:11] <pleia2> people seem more excited when we do it that way anyway, wall-of-package-tests is less fun
[18:11] <elfy> indeed
[18:11] <pleia2> alright
[18:11] <pleia2> #topic Milestones to take part in
[18:11] <elfy> :)
[18:12] <elfy> so the simple question is do we start at Beta again - or earlier - or play it by ear and see what happens pre Alpha
[18:12] <pleia2> yeah
[18:12] <elfy> #action elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle
[18:12] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle
[18:13] <pleia2> ++
[18:13] <elfy> pleia2: you can move on then if you like now :)
[18:13] <pleia2> #topic QA Incentive
[18:13] <pleia2> so, last cycle we tried plying people with stickers to do QA
[18:13] <elfy> ooh look - another one I need to be about for :p
[18:13] <pleia2> it failed
[18:13] <elfy> and you :D
[18:13] <elfy> yep
[18:14] <pleia2> I've been reading this book recently and I think I know why http://www.danpink.com/drive/
[18:14] <elfy> and given the time involved - not particularly interested in investing those hours and hours once more
[18:14] <pleia2> people don't do this kind of thing to be awarded $15 in stickers
[18:14] <pleia2> and offering it kind of devalues the whole process
[18:15] <pleia2> most of the people who "won" stickers each time were surprised, one only accepted so he could give to his students/colleagues
[18:15] <pleia2> so, oops :)
[18:15] <elfy> maybe so - but on the other hand - asking people to do it - failed too
[18:15] <pleia2> indeed
[18:15] <elfy> perhaps the best thing would be for me to actually follow through on last cycles threat
[18:16] <pleia2> so in learning more about motivation, I learned that the best thing we can do is give incentives that improve their rank in our dev community
[18:16] <pleia2> stickers meh, noting & thanking people who are doing well in QA on social media and stuff has social capital that is valuable to these kinds of contributors
[18:16] <pleia2> elfy: stepping down?
[18:17] <pleia2> don't do that :)
[18:17] <elfy> that implies getting people involved - which is just aas much an uphill struggle
[18:17] <elfy> pleia2: lol - no - I told ochosi I would be here for Wily - and by extension X too - wouldn't drop anyone in that
[18:17] <pleia2> it is, but we don't have a choice really, it needs to be done, QA test won't do themselves!
[18:17] <pleia2> oh ok :) <3
[18:18] <elfy> not mark things ready if not tested enough- even if it is Release Candidate
[18:18] <pleia2> ah, yes
[18:18] <pleia2> that would probably encourage more testing from the team, I hope
[18:18] <pleia2> which needs to happen, I didn't do any tests last cycle :(
[18:18] <elfy> well - you know my position on that
[18:19] <elfy> if I can't expect the people putting their name on the release - how am I supposed to expect anyone else to do so
[18:19] <pleia2> indeed
[18:19] <elfy> anyway - wording change from drc off channel re previous statement
[18:20] <elfy> s/rank/standing/  sounds better, more "comunity" than "team"
[18:20] <pleia2> I don't have permission to paste it in a logged meeting
[18:20] <pleia2> oh ok :)
[18:20] <pleia2> and yeah, words
[18:20] <elfy> he can slap me if he wants to
[18:20] <elfy> anyway - yes - in theory that's great
[18:21] <elfy> but what do we do to move from theory to reality
[18:21] <pleia2> ultimately, my goal with this agenda item was to review what we did, why it went bad and see if we can come up with better ideas moving forward
[18:21] <elfy> frankly - the QA team is probably the easiest one to move into - and thence TEAM
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah
[18:21] <elfy> well that's fine in and of itself as a goal
[18:22] <elfy> but MY problem is *now* not in 3 months :)
[18:22] <elfy> and if iirc - one of the reasons in that 'team'
[18:22] <elfy> (the QA team)
[18:22]  * pleia2 nods
[18:23] <pleia2> alright, well I think it's decided that we won't do a formalized sticker thing again
[18:23] <elfy> I'd say that this topic is probably best dealt with in m/l
[18:23] <elfy> yea - I'm rather implacably -1 on doing that again
[18:24] <pleia2> want me to write an email re: incentives to the list?
[18:24] <elfy> I think so - perhaps get the discussion moving at least - follow up with a more detailed review - if that's even possible - later
[18:24] <pleia2> wfm
[18:25] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives
[18:25] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives
[18:25] <elfy> we can start from the Marketing won't send them, QA won't give Marketing the data anyway stance :p
[18:25] <pleia2> hehe
[18:25] <pleia2> it was a fun experiment, but I don't think there will be any complaints about ending it
[18:26] <elfy> nope
[18:26] <pleia2> #topic Announcements & Discussion
[18:26] <pleia2> anything else?
[18:26] <elfy> not from me
[18:26] <pleia2> yeah, I'm all set
[18:26] <elfy> ok
[18:26] <pleia2> #action Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[18:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[18:27] <pleia2> have a nice week :)
[18:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 12 18:27:15 2015 UTC.
[18:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-05-12-18.00.moin.txt
[18:27] <pleia2> woo, half hour until my next meeting
[18:27] <elfy> but as I really going to want to be a bit twitchy about getting things set up - if Unit193 wants to swap with me - that is fine by me
[18:28] <pleia2> :)
[18:28] <pleia2> I'll try to do post-meeting tasks after work today, unless someone gets to them first
[18:29] <elfy> pleia2: if I get time I'll try and fight through it - if I do I'll let you know in channel
[18:29] <pleia2> k :)
[18:52] <Unit193> elfy: You want the next meeting you say?
[19:00] <elfy> Unit193: not so much want it - depends when you set it for
[19:08] <elfy> pleia2: think I have done it all
[19:08] <pleia2> elfy: thank you, sir!
[19:09] <elfy> never having seen a "this is the post-meeting tasks" document I wouldn't be sure though :D
[19:10] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Community#Meetings :)
[19:10] <elfy> oh - never read that stuff
[19:11] <pleia2> hahah
[19:12] <elfy> not done team report
[19:13] <elfy> nothing to report atm
[19:14] <pleia2> yeah, I usually do that in bulk at some point anyway
[19:17] <elfy> lol
[19:18] <elfy> biab
[19:42] <elfy> Unit193: which sounds like a trick question ...
[20:11] <Unit193> elfy: Well I'm up for whatever makes it better for you (well, not whatever.  I won't do both meetings!)
[20:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/205835987/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin_0.4.6-1_BUILDING.txt.gz ftbfs, patch!
[20:12] <elfy> Unit193: ha ha ha
[20:12] <elfy> I guess I'd swap if you set it for June
[20:13] <Unit193> Oh, I was going to set it for July.
[20:13] <pleia2> lol
[20:14] <elfy> yea - that's what I meant - August
[20:15] <Unit193> 28th is looking decent.
[20:16] <elfy> of?
[20:16] <pleia2> september
[20:16] <elfy> works for me :)
[20:17] <elfy> already appear to have a broken Wily install \o/
[20:17] <elfy> that's the quickest for a long time :p
[20:18] <pleia2> hah
[20:19] <elfy> 90s to reboot while it fails to do something, the clean install I did an hour ago is fine
[22:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh nooooooooooooooooooes
[22:21] <micahg> heh
[22:21] <micahg> I saw that last night
[22:22] <bluesabre> hey micahg
[22:22] <micahg> didn't get a chance to do anything about it yet
[22:22] <micahg> hi bluesabre
[22:22] <bluesabre> I'll poke it now
[22:22]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[22:23] <micahg> source format 3 requires defuzzed patches IIRC
[22:23] <Unit193> Yep.
[22:23] <bluesabre> easy fix most likely
[22:23] <micahg> not sure why Debian is different though
[22:23] <Unit193> Not only unfuzzed, but no offset.
[22:23] <Unit193> micahg: ubuntu.series.
[22:24] <micahg> Ah :)
[22:24]  * micahg jumps on the pkg-xfce bandwagon
[22:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Askaskaskaskaskaskaskaskask!
[22:24] <Unit193> micahg: Yey!
[22:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: so we're intested in getting xfdashboard and pulseaudio-plugin in first, IIRC?
[22:28] <bluesabre> interested too
[22:28] <Unit193> Da.
[22:28] <Unit193> Wait, you're the XTL, you tell me!
[22:29] <bluesabre> It's a team effort ;)
[22:31] <Unit193> New pulse, didn't upload to lp, just bitb. :P
[22:31] <bluesabre> there
[22:32] <bluesabre> I asked
[22:32] <bluesabre> yay me
[22:32]  * bluesabre throws a celebratory pizza in the oven
[22:32] <Unit193> Yey!
[22:33] <Unit193> Good job on keeping up with the nicks!
[22:34] <bluesabre> got scared when I couldn't tab-complete
[22:34] <bluesabre> Un-tab-what!?
[22:35] <Unit193> Aha. :D
[23:16] <bluesabre> oh
[23:17] <bluesabre> not in my packageset...
[23:17] <bluesabre> just required a quilt refresh, maybe I should poke Corsac about it and let it get in via debian
[23:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: Poke?  You mean push?
[23:18] <Unit193> And figured as much, but nevertheless it's a ftbfs.
[23:19] <bluesabre> yup
[23:22] <bluesabre> poked
[23:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you miss that you have access in pkg-xfce?
[23:25] <bluesabre> oh
[23:25] <bluesabre> I did miss that
[23:25] <bluesabre> I miss lots of things
[23:25] <Unit193> That's what the 'welcome' was about.
[23:25] <bluesabre> aha
[23:25] <bluesabre> >.<
[23:25] <Unit193> Well, I'm here to help, in several different ways it seems.
[23:26] <bluesabre> so it seems
[23:26] <bluesabre> maybe you can manage my inbox for me :)
[23:26] <Unit193> Ahaha. :D
[23:28] <bluesabre> maybe I can fix things and apologize before he gets online ;)
[23:30] <Unit193> ...For breaking the repo? :D
[23:45] <knome> good evening.
[23:46] <bluesabre> hey knome!
[23:47] <knome> hello bluesabre
[23:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: lookie, its a svn commit!
[23:48] <bluesabre> knome: seems like you've been away for a little while, wb!
[23:48] <knome> yep, i was in berlin since last tuesday
[23:48] <bluesabre> oh nice
[23:48] <knome> not nice, berlin
[23:48] <knome> :d
[23:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: So I saw. :)
[23:49] <Unit193> krytarik: ^
[23:49] <bluesabre> let's see what I broke once Corsac gets back >.<
[23:49] <bluesabre> running out for a bit, bbabl
[23:49] <knome> hf
[23:50]  * micahg tries building from it
[23:57] <micahg> works in wily :)
[23:57]  * micahg needs new sid chroot


[20:43] <kurt___> Hi all - I am still getting "OAuthUnauthorized" from MAAS trying to install juju-gui.  The clock in my root node 0 is way off even with quantal images.  I had read some bug reports and had thought the timing bug was fixed?  Would be likely this is my OAuth problem and is it supposed be fixed in Quantal?
[20:45] <kurt___> Further to this and maybe because of this OAuthUnauthorized error, the deployment is always stuck in state of "pending" because it cannot spin up a new host.
[20:45] <kurt___> Even when I force the deployment to same node as root node, it still does not work.
[20:49] <kurt___> http://pastebin.com/xh6BtZAu
[20:50] <roaksoax> kurt___: it seems like if you were not authenticated to MAAS
[20:50] <roaksoax> kurt___: have you configure juju to use the correct oauth credentials?
[20:51] <kurt___> roaksoax: maas is authenticated
[20:51] <roaksoax> kurt___: not maas, juju
[20:51] <roaksoax> kurt___: jujuenvironments file
[20:51] <roaksoax> does it have the correct oauth key?
[20:51] <kurt___> yes it does as far as I know.  is there another test you can provide to determine this?
[20:52] <roaksoax> kurt___: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5978683/\
[20:52] <roaksoax> kurt___: so that pastebin shows an example of how the juju environments file should be configured to use with maas
[20:52] <roaksoax> maas-oauth is the key being provided to the maas user
[20:52] <roaksoax> so you would need to go to the maas webui and retrieve it from the user preferences
[20:55] <kurt___> roaksoax: should the maas-server url be pointed to inside or outside interface?
[20:55] <roaksoax> kurt___: shouldn't matter really
[20:57] <kurt___> my maas html interface is on 192.168.1.x and internal where maas nodes are is 172.16.118.x - I have the maas-server pointed to 172.16.118.x
[20:58] <kurt___> the maas clients can ping the IP on the 192.168.1.x interface, but nothing else inside 192.168.1.x or to the outside world
[20:58] <kurt___> I guess that's irrelevant
[20:59] <kurt___> but should I try switching maas-server to external address?
[21:01] <kurt___> And is the juju-origin a required parameter?  That is the only I don't have
[21:01] <roaksoax> kurt___: you could swotch to public
[21:02] <roaksoax> Juju origin depends
[21:02] <roaksoax> wheere did you install juju from?
[21:03] <kurt___> ppa:juju/pkgs
[21:15] <roaksoax> kurt___: thrn juju origin should reflect ths
[21:16] <kurt___> I added it
[21:16] <kurt___> destroying environment and trying again.
[21:17] <kurt___> note that the time of my host is far different than the mass-ctrl - I was wondering if that could be the problem too
[21:17] <kurt___> the correct time still does not seem to be being passed to it
[21:17] <kurt___> I know this is a long standing problem, but thought it was fixed with the quantal images
[21:18] <roaksoax> it should br fixed alresdy
[21:18] <roaksoax> alreafy in maas in precise quantal etc
[21:18] <kurt___> my time is way off
[21:22] <roaksoax> update your images to the latest ones? what maas version are you using?
[21:27] <kurt___> 12.10
[21:27] <kurt___> quantal
[21:29] <kurt___> still getting that error
[21:30] <kurt___> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5978813/
[21:55] <kurt___> roaksoax: any additional ideas?
[21:56] <roaksoax> kurt___: let me see (sorry got caught up with something else)
[21:57] <roaksoax> no odea
[21:57] <roaksoax> idea
[21:59] <roaksoax>  that's authentication issue :/
[22:31] <kurt___> any suggestions on how to move forward with this roaksoax?