[01:18] <Eq|laptop> musikgoat|work: you'll need the latest any-any patch..
[01:21] <musikgoat|work> any-any patch, hmm,   so I will compile myself?
[01:24] <Eq|laptop> musikgoat|work: err, you compile part of vmware yourself during the installation..
[01:24] <Eq|laptop> the kernel modules
[01:26] <musikgoat|work> thanks Eq|laptop  i'll look into that
[01:26] <Eq|laptop> ameyer / Arwen: 7.3 has a lot more automatic stuff in it.
[01:26] <Eq|laptop> hell, so does 7.2 - it's just not used by default
[01:26] <Eq|laptop> and not as advanced as what is in 7.3
[01:26] <Eq|laptop> anyway
[01:26] <Arwen> Eq|laptop, I see
[01:26] <Eq|laptop> (7.3 doesn't need monitor or gfx card sections anymore..)
[01:27] <Arwen> would you happen to know what creates the text mode consoles? because I'm not getting them
[01:27] <Arwen> and that's not good
[01:27] <Eq|laptop> the tty's?
[01:27] <Arwen> yeah
[01:27] <Eq|laptop> you have no getty's??
[01:27] <Eq|laptop> they're created by init
[01:27] <Arwen> oh shit...
[01:27] <Eq|laptop> it spawns the 6 getty processes
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> what init level are you in?
[01:28] <Arwen> normal I think
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> usually the only time it doesn't spawn them is if you're in init level 1
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> (single user mode)
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> it is possible to disable the others though
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> i suggest you have a look at the contents of /etc/inittab
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> anyway
[01:28] <Eq|laptop> must sleep
[01:28] <Arwen> it doesn't exist :-\
[01:29] <Eq|laptop> i'd be a bit concerned then
[01:29] <Eq|laptop> unfortunately, i'm too knackered to check things here (would have to reboot my other laptop).. will be back in ~8-10 hours.
[01:33] <spiroo> hello I wanna report som bugs in Kubuntu, how do I do
[01:35] <spiroo> I have found some heavy bugs in Kubuntu v7.10 Gutsy development version
[01:36] <spiroo> please, anyone help me?
[01:36] <albert23> ubotu bug
[01:36] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:37] <spiroo> I wanna report about kubuntu, but I do not know how to do.
[01:38] <spiroo> Do I report about Kubuntu, on the same website?
[01:38] <nixternal> yes
[01:39] <spiroo> okay, thank you.
[01:39] <nixternal> yessir
[01:41] <DanaG> inittab doesn't exist for me, either.
[01:41] <DanaG> Oh, for blank consoles, try this: modprobe fbcon
[01:41] <DanaG> Somehow, it's not being loaded.
[01:47] <DanaG> How can I figure out what app is breaking my 'del' key?
[01:48] <Arwen> DanaG, thanks, that got my console back
[01:48] <DanaG> Now add the one line 'fbcon' to /etc/modules
[01:48] <DanaG> And it'll auto-load at boot.
[01:49] <Vorian> what is the dbus fix for gksu dist upgrade to gutsy?
[01:49] <Vorian> and hello :)
[01:50] <musikgoat|work> Vorian i just ignored it, i'm in the process of upgrading now
[01:50] <musikgoat|work> "Fetching the upgrades" now
[01:50] <Vorian> it wont upgrade
[01:50] <musikgoat|work> really?
[01:50] <Vorian> no "new version available"
[01:50] <musikgoat|work> where does it stop?
[01:50] <Vorian> it doesn't even start
[01:50] <Arwen> it starts for me, well, it already finished
[01:51] <Vorian> gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[01:51] <musikgoat|work> try sudo update-manager -c -d
[01:51] <musikgoat|work> or not sudo
[01:51] <musikgoat|work> gksudo "update-manager -c -d" worked perfectly for me
[01:51] <Vorian> sudo update-manager -c -d
[01:51] <Vorian> oh, I got the script error this time :)
[01:51] <DanaG> Hmm, is it possible to run it not as root, and then let it elevate later?
[01:52] <musikgoat|work> but i did get the "warning: could not initiate dbus" error though
[01:53] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34248/
[01:53] <Vorian> that's the newest error
[01:53] <Vorian> I added the gutsy info to ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release
[01:54] <Vorian> DanaG, That worked!
[01:54] <Vorian> update-manager -c -d
[01:54] <musikgoat|work> nice, so no sudo?
[01:54] <musikgoat|work> ok
[01:54] <Vorian> no sudo
[01:56] <musikgoat|work> ugh, 40 minutes for the packages,  i hate works dl,  they limit me to .5 mb, :-(
[02:19] <theron> When running the live cd, the restriced modules app successfully discovered and allowed me to configure my wireless card.  I was hardwired at the time however when I ran the installation.   Upon rebooting after installation, my wireless card is not detected in the restricted modules app.
[02:20] <theron> is there a way to rerun the detection piece?
[02:22] <DanaG> Argh, xorg just crashed.
[02:23] <DanaG> Stupid compiz.  I never had GLX apps crash Xorg when run under Beryl.
[02:23] <DanaG> (Actually, I do like Compiz, but this bug is a PITA, and a showstopper for Compiz-by-default.)
[02:23] <musikgoat|work> compiz or compiz fusion?
[02:23] <DanaG> That there is a sure sign of confusing naming.
[02:23] <musikgoat|work> i agree
[02:24] <DanaG> Is it Compiz (base) + Fusion (Addons)?
[02:24] <DanaG> Or is it a new thing, "Compiz Fusion"?
[02:24] <musikgoat|work> fusion seems to be the compilation of compiz and beryl elements
[02:24] <DanaG> You might as well call it Compiz with a Cherry On Top.
[02:24] <DanaG> (er, caps on With)
[02:25] <musikgoat|work> mmm, makes me too hungry
[02:29] <Arwen> hmm, I can't use Compiz with ATI. Oh well.
[02:31] <theverant> anyone know what's up with Samba in Gutsy?  I got a share working in Feisty in about 10 seconds.  Gutsy is being a real problem child
[03:13] <Arwen> on gutsy, I've got a process called trackerd taking up 100% CPU. what's the deal?
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> thats the search indexer
[03:14] <Arwen> oh, time to kill that
[03:14] <Arwen> thank god.... my CPU was gonna fry
[03:21] <robtaylor> Arwen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/132741
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132741 in tracker "Tracker should not be enabled by default until it doesn't clobber everything" [Undecided,New]
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> nice wording...
[03:21] <Arwen> heh
[03:22] <Arwen> hmm, only one compile left. I can do it tommorow.
[03:44] <musikgoat|work> anyone have issues with udevd taking up ~99% CPU after updating to gutsy?
[03:45] <Arwen> udevd? nope.   I don't mind it ...
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> it hasn't given me any troubles... haven't had to touch a command line yet for gutsy.
[04:00] <Arwen> I don't see how it's any worse than the one in Feisty.
[04:00] <ameyer> nosrednaekim: i had some "fun" upgrading my monitor today
[04:00] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, I haven't either. Simply because it refuses to give me one, lol.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: haha
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> ameyer: fun fun... how did you do it?
[04:01] <Arwen> seriously, I only just figured out how to get my ttys back
[04:01] <ameyer> If I wanted d*ck pill ads, I'd look at my inbox...
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: what was the problem?
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy | ameyer
[04:01] <ubotu> ameyer: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:01] <Arwen> kernel wasn't loading the framebuffer module
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> ah
[04:02] <ameyer> apparently the defaults that xorg figured for the new monitor weren't particularly sane...
[04:03] <Arwen> eh, I've got a ~1997 monitor here. The defaults don't work very well on it either.
[04:03] <ameyer> well, the 1997 monitor worked fine with 1280x1024 or 800x600
[04:03] <ameyer> 1024x768 was f***ed
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> dude.... if you are going to star it out... why even say it?
[04:04] <ameyer> the new monitor, the defaults didn't work at all
[04:05] <Arwen> 1280x1024 and 800x600 seem to be incompatible with each other
[04:05] <Arwen> seeing as one is 5:4 and the other is 4:3
[04:05] <ameyer> well, the defaults were fine at those resolutions...
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: umm no... they are both 4:3
[04:06] <Arwen> take a calculator
[04:06] <Arwen> 1280/1024 = 1.25
[04:06] <musikgoat|work> so i'm getting a ton of the following error in syslog:
[04:06] <Arwen> 800/600 = 1.33333333333333333333333
[04:07] <ameyer> Arwen: the standard resolutions for a 4x3 monitor are apparently 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, and 1280x1024, i'm not sure why...
[04:07] <Pici> Because those resolutions are 4:3
[04:07] <Arwen> yeah, I run mine at 1280x960 to get a correct AR
[04:07] <ameyer> well, there's probably something above 1280x1024
[04:07] <Arwen> it supposedly supports 1600x1200, but at 15", that's too small
[04:07] <Arwen> 1600x1200
[04:07] <Arwen> and even 2048x1536
[04:08] <ameyer> 15" usually ends up limited to 1024x768
[04:08] <musikgoat|work> device-mapper: table 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[04:08] <musikgoat|work> device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[04:08] <Arwen> a CRT technically has no limit though
[04:08] <Arwen> though what you can see is probably limited by the number of dots
[04:09] <musikgoat|work> that seems to be whats hanging up udevd
[04:09] <ameyer> well, my (now retired) crt couldn't do 1024x768 or anything above 1280x1024...
[04:09] <Arwen> heh
[04:10] <ameyer> I suspect the default xorg conf was fubar'd in some ways...
[04:11] <ameyer> or the monitor was somewht nonstandard
[04:11] <Arwen> it could have been reporting its H/V rates wrong
[04:11] <ameyer> or even broken
[04:11] <Arwen> that to
[04:11] <Arwen> too*
[04:12] <ameyer> Arwen: that could be considered non-standard...
[04:12] <ameyer> the thing's sounded like it's dying for years...
[04:12] <Arwen> hmm, VLC finished compiling *prays he got the debian install script right*
[04:13] <ameyer> debian? this is ubuntu?</intentionally_dense>
[04:14] <Pici> ameyer: You need to do that in your best 300 Sparta!! impression
[04:14] <ameyer> heh
[04:14] <Arwen> TODAY, WE DINE IN HECK
[04:14] <Arwen> how's that? :-)
[04:14] <Pici> :)
[04:15] <ameyer> slightly overzealous with the !ohmy, eh?
[04:16] <Arwen> I wonder if the ops would be willing to finally unban me (proudly banned since Edgy's release)
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> yep :)
[04:16] <ameyer> if it's semi-legitimately a place name, it's ok as far as i can tell...
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> unban you from what?
[04:16] <Arwen> the main channel
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> ameyer: I was kidding..
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: what for?
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> I remember seeing you over there..
[04:16] <ameyer> although heck isn't a place... although it is a last name...
[04:16] <Arwen> for being an asshole :-\
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> tsk tsk... #kubuntu or #ubuntu?
[04:17] <Arwen> both :-\
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> wow..
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> change your name?
[04:17] <Arwen> lol
[04:17] <Arwen> nah, I like my name
[04:17] <tehk> So I guess they are removing displayconfig-gtk now
[04:18] <ameyer> is traceroute broken for anyone else?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> why?
[04:18] <tehk> No xorg 7.3
[04:18] <ameyer> well, the package is broken
[04:18] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, eh? because getting this Wikipedia cloak took a while
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> I don't think bullet proof X depended on 7.3
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: sorry wasn't mean you
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> *meaning
[04:19] <tehk> No it does not but displayconfig-gtk is 7.3 dependent. they panned on having 7.3 until today.
[04:19] <Arwen> why did they change their mind?
[04:19] <tehk> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xorg7.3
[04:20] <tehk> Seems that August 29th is to late
[04:20] <Arwen> ah
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> eh..someone will make an external repository for those who really care
[04:22] <tehk> Well It does not bother me for my own use
[04:23] <tehk> but as a default it would be great for new users.
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> yeah.....
[04:25] <Arwen> hmm, I just noticed that my GTK+ theme looked different now
[04:25] <Arwen> I've got QT-4 style checkboxes instead of radio buttons
[04:29] <musikgoat|work> i was wondering about that, i thought it was just me
[04:29] <Arwen> let's see... finished compiling: amarok, ffmpeg, tilem, vlc. failed compiling: tilp2. still to compile: mplayer, smplayer.
[04:29] <Arwen> so much work..
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> ahh.... so they are now styling GTK after qt.. I wonder why???
[04:32] <Arwen> don't know
[04:32] <Arwen> a simple check mark/toggle switch looks nicer than a square :-\
[04:32] <ameyer> umm, isn't vlc switching to qt?
[04:32] <ameyer> (imo, qt stuff tends to look better than gtk stuff...)
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> Arwen: contradicting me again HUH? YA WANNA GET BANNED!?
[04:33] <Arwen> they are, but the stable is still using wxwidgets
[04:33] <Arwen> which looks like whatever your current desktop looks like
[04:34] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, :-(
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:36] <ameyer> hmm, why the (censored) am I watching VH1?
[04:36] <tehk> Because you lovenewyork
[04:37] <ameyer> I found conclusive proof that Macs are for idiots...
[04:37] <ameyer> Apparently Hulk Hogan uses a mac
[04:38] <ameyer> well, sort of
[04:38] <tehk> haha well. Since my favorite actor is playing the hulk in the next movie.. I disagree. Well not about macs being lame.
[04:38] <ameyer> I guess the proper term is "struggles to use a Mac"
[04:39] <ameyer> tehk: you sure we're talking about the same thing? Hulk Hogan is a (former, I think) pro wrestler
[04:40] <tehk> <-- jackass who read Hulk and assumed Hulk.
[04:40] <tehk> and ignored Hogan
[04:40] <ameyer> no big deal...
[04:51] <Tm_T> hello ms spaghetti
[04:52] <Hobbsee> hiya
[04:53] <Arwen> huh, it's Hobbsee
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hi
[04:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:54] <Arwen> lol, ASpell recognizes Kamehameha as a word
[04:55] <musikgoat|work> anyone know if evms is needed/what it does?
[04:55] <ameyer> vms... wasn't that kinda like DOS before there was DOS?
[04:55] <ameyer> probably did it better too
[04:55] <musikgoat|work> i'm having this bug show up https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evms/+bug/115616
[04:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]
[04:56] <musikgoat|work> anyone know how to turn off evms?
[04:57] <musikgoat|work> nevermind
[05:15] <DanaG> Dang, I wish there were a way to have Xorg enable Clone on a secondary monitor, and automatically either scale the primary res down on the secondary, or set the primary to match the secondary.
[05:15] <DanaG> For me, hotkey display switching works, but does not change resolution.
[05:18] <DanaG> Heh,   3Com  [edit]  Negative   Member (contributor) of the Treacherous Computing Group.  [1]
[05:18] <DanaG> That one line makes the site already seem unprofessional.
[05:18] <DanaG> Er, actually, it's 3 lines, but whatever.
[05:20] <ameyer> DanaG: what site?
[05:21] <DanaG> The one linked here:   (08:15:43 PM) smallfoot- left the room (quit: "http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ - open source friendly/hostile computer hardware manufacterers?").
[06:19] <teethdood> how do I update to gutsy? gksudo "update-manager -c -d" doesn't do anything
[06:26] <teethdood>  gksudo "update-manager -d"
[06:26] <teethdood> warning: could not initiate dbus
[06:26] <teethdood> current dist not found in meta-release file
[06:28] <DanaG> teethdood: run it not under sudo or gksu.
[06:28] <DanaG> Somehow, it seems to work that way.
[06:29] <maccam94> does displayconfig-gtk depend on xserver-1.3 or 1.4?
[06:31] <teethdood> DanaG, I tried it with plain update-manager -d also, it says system is up-to-date
[06:31] <DanaG> hmm, I think you need -c -d.
[06:31] <DanaG> (consider experimental, and do dist-upgrade)
[06:31] <teethdood> tried that too :(
[06:31] <maccam94> no button for 7.10?
[06:32] <teethdood> no button, nothing special
[06:32] <teethdood> look at the warning:
[06:32] <teethdood> warning: could not initiate dbus
[06:33] <teethdood> current dist not found in meta-release file
[06:33] <teethdood> what does that mean?
[06:33] <maccam94> not good
[06:33] <maccam94> dunno off the top of my head
[06:34] <maccam94> can anybody find the version of xserver in gutsy atm?
[06:34] <maccam94> *curious
[06:34] <maccam94> lol
[06:35] <teethdood> I think I need to reinstall all the meta-packages
[06:35] <maccam94> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[06:36] <teethdood> I just tried that, minimal, standard and desktop
[06:36] <teethdood> no help
[06:37] <maccam94> google ubuntu meta-release file
[06:38] <teethdood> I'm going to do this manually, doing the /etc/apt/sources route
[06:38] <maccam94> not good
[06:38] <maccam94> there's a way to do it without update-manager
[06:38] <maccam94> let me find that for ya
[06:38] <maccam94> i think you run into trouble otherwise
[06:41] <musikgoat|work> the part about the dbus is fine, at least it was for me
[06:42] <musikgoat|work>  current dist not found in meta-release file,   what does your sources.list say?
[06:42] <musikgoat|work> are they set to feisty releases?
[06:42] <teethdood> ok just edited sources.list, doing update upgrade and dist-upgrade now
[06:42] <teethdood> musikgoat|work, yes
[06:42] <ameyer> man, the fun of using gutsy... don't upgrade for a few days and have 350 MB of upgrades when you finally do upgrade...
[06:43] <teethdood> but I thought with the -c -d modifiers it would get the newest dist
[06:43] <musikgoat|work> it should teethdood,  i used that,  with no sudo
[06:43] <musikgoat|work> i just finally got vmware-server working on gutsy, yey
[06:44] <maccam94> anyone here know what version of xserver is installed in gutsy right now?
[06:44] <DanaG> !aptitude
[06:44] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[06:45] <musikgoat|work> maccam94 tell me how to find out and i will tell you the version
[06:45] <musikgoat|work> :-)
[06:45] <maccam94> musikgoat|work: check synaptic?
[06:45] <maccam94> search for xserver
[06:46] <musikgoat|work> 1:7.2-5ubuntu6
[06:47] <musikgoat|work> that is xserver-xorg
[06:47] <maccam94> hmmm
[06:47] <maccam94> i just actually thought of checking packages.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <musikgoat|work> heh
[06:47] <maccam94> and it looks like xserver-xorg-core is 1.3
[06:47] <maccam94> which is what i was wondering
[06:47] <maccam94> musikgoat|work: is displayconfig-gtk installed?
[06:48] <musikgoat|work> heh
[06:48] <maccam94> wait
[06:48] <musikgoat|work> yes
[06:48] <maccam94> packages.ubuntu.com!
[06:48] <maccam94> lol
[06:48] <musikgoat|work> heh
[06:48] <musikgoat|work> it is
[06:49] <maccam94> yup
[06:49] <maccam94> ok
[06:49] <maccam94> so the digg article is bull****
[06:49] <maccam94> it said no xserver-xorg 1.4, so no displayconfig-gtk
[06:49] <musikgoat|work> i thought it was not going to include 7.3 of xserver
[06:50] <musikgoat|work> and x bulletproof
[06:51] <Arwen> they're independent of each other
[06:51] <tehk> maccam94, yea sad
[06:52] <maccam94> xorg 7.3 is gonna be in it i thought
[06:52] <tehk> Arwen, no they are not. Displayconfig and bullet are built for 7.3
[06:52] <maccam94> just not xserver-xorg-core 1.4
[06:52] <Arwen> well, displayconfig-gtk is already in, so....
[06:52] <tehk> but it does not function fully
[06:52] <tehk> so no hotplugging monitors
[06:52] <Arwen> it doesn't? I didn't know.
[06:52] <maccam94> tehk: i'm pretty sure xserver-xorg 1.3 is Xorg 7.3, not xserver-xorg 1.4
[06:53] <musikgoat|work> night all
[06:53] <tehk> and all that jazz it was built for
[06:53] <tehk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xorg7.3Integration
[06:55] <maccam94> tehk: that's INPUT hotplug
[06:55] <maccam94> like replugging keyboards/mice
[06:55] <tehk> I was not rfering to that
[06:55] <maccam94>  Input hotplug: Input hotplug allows hotplugging of input devices, and also adds enhanced support for touchscreens and tablets. [Note: Only if xserver 1.4 is included]
[06:55] <maccam94> only thing i see specifying 1.4
[06:55] <tehk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528724
[06:59] <maccam94> what makes up xorg 7.3?
[07:01] <maccam94> is it just the xserver, or other parts? is it still mostly xorg 7.3 even if it's xserver 1.3?
[07:01] <tehk> I am pretty sure 7.3 uses 1.4
[07:02] <tehk> They release final on the same day
[07:02] <maccam94> regardless, are there other packages in 7.3?
[07:02] <tehk> ranr
[07:02] <maccam94> randr is set
[07:02] <maccam94> and isn't that the one that deals with displays/resolution?
[07:02] <tehk> I believe so
[07:03] <maccam94> so displayconfig can still work
[07:03] <maccam94> it never says that displayconfig/bulletproofx are delayed
[07:03] <maccam94> just that they depend on xorg 7.3
[07:04] <tehk> if 7.3 depends on xserver1.4
[07:05] <tehk> and they are not including 1.4. Would they have a reason to continute to have Bulletproofx and displayconfig in the distro by default?
[07:05] <tehk> I am not sure on if you can use xorg7.3 with xserver1.3
[07:05] <tehk> I hope not but that seems to be how everyone is taking it.
[07:06] <ameyer> I think the packages have been a messed-up mix for a while...
[07:09] <maccam94> feisty had no composite by default. now gutsy might not have displayconfig/bulletproofx. this can't be the start of a trend
[07:11] <Arwen> over ambitious projects, did you really expect composite in feisty?
[07:11] <tehk> Is gutsy composite by default? My install is uptodate but was installed a good while ago.
[07:11] <Arwen> composite is still in gutsy as a blueprint, but I don't think it'll make it in either
[07:11] <tehk> I seen some discussion on the devel list questioning if it will come as default.
[07:12] <tehk> Well what i would like to see is a box that popus up on first boot and asks you if you want to load it and restricted drivers. So its kinda by default
[07:13] <maccam94> Arwen: months before, i had expected ubuntu's devs would have done the work necessary to stabilize some core parts of compiz to ship enabled by default
[07:13] <maccam94> when it got closer to the release date, things became more clear
[07:15] <maccam94> it's frustrating to build up hope for new features, ones that solve old problems or ones that included things by default that previously needed a lot of work, only to reverse the decision later
[07:16] <tehk> Atleast you do not have to wait 7 years.
[07:16] <arooni__> folks with the intel video codec (and integrated video drivers in general).... is there anyway to detect new auxillary displays without messing with the xorg file?  i'd like to give presentations where i hook up my t61 to a projector..... but it seems not to auto detect the new aux display... ideas?
[07:16] <arooni__> i have a t61 with integrated video
[07:16] <tehk> haha, where is our 7.3 now!
[07:19] <maccam94> arooni__: you could probably do it in displayconfig-gtk
[07:19] <tehk> arooni__, Hey check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xorg7.3Integration and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DisplayConfigGTK
[07:19] <arooni__> thank you my friends
[07:20] <tehk> arooni__, I am not sure if it has been fully implemented yet, but it is still 'planned' as a feature by release. hopefully.
[07:20] <arooni__> for gutsy?
[07:20] <tehk> Yes
[07:20] <teethdood> well anyways guys, the sources.list update/upgrade/dist-upgrade seems to be working
[07:21] <teethdood> I'll get kicked off any moment here
[07:21] <arooni__> Sepp tends to work at home with his laptop too. He would like to easily switch between his configuration setups: at home he's using an old CRT monitor to extend his laptop screen space, on the road he gives presentation on a projector and at work with he works in front of his shiny new mac cinema display.
[07:21] <arooni__> that's me!
[07:21] <tehk> Is it just me or have the updates been coming in slowly? I have not seen a updated package in my manager in a day.
[07:23] <arooni__> anyone know how to be able to play dvds?
[07:23] <arooni__> on ubuntu 7.04 even/?  i cant get it to wokr
[07:23] <teethdood> google medibuntu
[07:23] <tehk> Install the codec. I am not sure of its name. Google it. on utsy there is one meta package for all resticted modules.
[07:33] <tehk> Anyone know of any mail clients with mailing list support? Like threaded view?
[07:34] <Tm_T> Kmail ?
[07:36] <maccam94> tehk: gmail :-P online email client haha
[07:36] <tehk> Haha. Yea gmail does not deal with the kernel mailing list well.
[08:03] <benanz1> any idea if the Xv bug in Compiz in the intel gpu driver will get fixed soon?
[08:22] <voidmage> in compiz, if i run any kind of GL app, X crashes. this includes zsnes, wine games (tested with steam) so far
[08:22] <voidmage> if something else comes up i'll report it too
[08:23] <voidmage> add any fullscreen GL apps to the list
[08:23] <voidmage> what might help also is i'm running kde
[08:23] <voidmage> and my card is a nvidia 8600
[08:23] <voidmage> currently unsupported by any official packages
[08:24] <voidmage> this only happens when running compiz
[08:24] <voidmage> no issues in kwin
[08:31] <dystopianray> what does the lack of xserver 1.4 mean to the average user?
[08:35] <dystopianray> will gutsy still have randr 1.2?
[09:26] <buz> looks like the kernel somehow got confused about my core 2 after a resume from suspsend, only one core is being used now?
[09:29] <philip_> gutsy gibbon upgraded successfully!
[09:30] <philip_> except the 2.6.22-9 kernel screws up Intel 3945 wireless support
[09:32] <buz> philip_: works for me?
[09:32] <buz> (did so on friday, anyway)
[09:33] <buz> it does screw up sound for me, though ;9
[09:37] <DanaG> .22-9 gets a panic on one core upon resume from suspend.
[09:37] <pvandewyngaerde> i get segmentation faults at startup
[09:37] <DanaG> Same here, and I don't know what's segfaulting.
[09:38] <DanaG> I wish the kernel would at least print the PID and name of the segfaulting process.
[09:38] <buz> DanaG: but it does resume right?
[09:38] <buz> because the system works perfectly after resume, except for the second core
[09:38] <DanaG> Yeah, I do get a correct resume, but with one core dead.
[09:38] <buz> yeah same here
[09:38] <DanaG> I had to tweak /etc/default/acpi-support to get resume working -- some things about saving video PCI state.
[09:38] <buz> in feisty i had a different bug on my old notebook: after resume, both cores would run in slowest setting and never go back to fast
[09:39] <DanaG> But I did that back in Feisty.
[09:39] <buz> mine worked out of box
[09:39] <buz> but i have intel graphics which are splendidly supported in gutsy
[09:40] <DanaG> Can you get native-res framebuffer?  That's one thing I reeeally wish NVIDIA had.
[09:40] <DanaG> vga=(hwinfo --framebuffer, then add 0x200 to returned values).
[09:40] <DanaG> hwinfo is a package.
[09:40] <buz> no idea, i never bother with console framebuffer
[09:41] <buz> i only use the text console to fix bugs, for which 80x24 is good enough ;)
[09:41] <buz> or rather, gma x3100 works splendid once you use the command line setup, live cd wont work
[09:41] <DanaG> I wish my laptop had switchable onboard and offboard.
[09:41] <buz> i think there are some configuration where the second core is shutdown before suspend
[09:42] <buz> now if only i could remember what command does that
[09:42] <buz> the x3100 is plenty for me
[09:42] <buz> i dont game and it runs compiz just fine
[09:42] <DanaG> I like to play games, so IGP is not an option for me.  However, I hate NVIDIA drivers.  ATI are worse.
[09:43] <buz> yeah i sold an otherwise perfect thinkpad t60 because the ati drivers were so bad
[09:43] <buz> nvidia is heaven compared to ati
[09:43] <DanaG> For me, PowerMizer under Windows is broken -- I have 3 choices of modes (powersave, balanced, performance) when on AC, and only powersave when on battery.
[09:43] <DanaG> And this is under XP, not Vista.
[09:43] <buz> no idea, i never run xp if i can help it ;)
[09:44] <DanaG> (I deleted my 17 gig Vista partition so I wouldn't have to buy a 100 gig notebook drive (I have 80).  Now I have /var on a separate partition.
[09:44] <DanaG> However, I had to make /var/run and something else (I don't remember what) on the root.
[09:44] <DanaG> aah, /var/lock
[09:45] <DanaG> Here's something fun to run on native-res framebuffer: mplayer, with fbdev2 output, and expansion enabled.
[09:45] <buz> why bother with fb
[09:45] <buz> its not like nvidia cant do xvideo
[09:46] <DanaG> Beats me, it's just fun to do things (such as running cacafire) on the framebuffer.
[09:47] <buz> there is one definite advantage to running with one core: the fan never goes on ;)
[09:48] <DanaG> When I'm on AC, my fan is always on.    I made the mistake of removing the thermal pad, and had to replace it with several layers of aluminum foil (thick, from container lids) and thermal paste.
[09:51] <buz> i wished i could reconfigure the trip points though. no need to have a fan running at 49
[09:51] <DanaG> I run two instances of folding@home, niced to +20.
[09:53] <runge> it looks like xorg process takes about 50% cpu time. is this a known issue?
[09:53] <buz> runge: are you using compiz?
[09:53] <runge> buz no
[09:53] <buz> DanaG: i dont see any panic or segfaults in my logs
[09:54] <buz> i KNOW there is way to toggle on and off cores
[09:57] <DanaG> I see them on my framebuffer, but I don't know what log would even show them.
[09:58] <DanaG> Arfgh, Pidgin crashed.
[09:58] <DanaG> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/
[09:58] <DanaG> cache  cpufreq  crash_notes  online  topology
[09:59] <DanaG> sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online'
[10:02] <philip_> rebooting to see if this workaround for intel 3945 would work in 22-9
[10:03] <buz> DanaG: ook so now the cpu is gone completely
[10:05] <philip_> ok workaround does the trick
[10:08] <philip_> I think Pidgin should be renamed PIMP Pidgin Instant Messenger Pal or some such
[10:08] <philip_> wth is a pidgin
[10:09] <DanaG> Go ask the people in #pidgin
[10:09] <DanaG> but know that it's way too late to change anything, and they never asked anybody for input even before they changed names.
[10:09] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin
[10:09] <DanaG> also a play on words with Pigeon.
[10:17] <Assid> heya
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[11:28] (tatters/#ubuntu+1) I am getting error after last update " Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal."     I can do neither, tried -f install and no luck, what would be the next step?
[11:43] <c1|freaky> tatters: force removal if possible i can't remember the command though if that doesn't help remove the package entry from the file which holds the installed packages and reinstall
[11:43] <c1|freaky> i can't remember the filename though ;p
[11:44] <c1|freaky> had the same problem a year ago
[12:06] <buz> something's wrong here, compiz eats all my cpu and has abysmal performance
[12:07] <buz> like 7fps
[12:07] <buz> looks like it does everything in software
[12:07] <buz> ah well lets try a reboot ;)
[12:24] <aslan> hello, does anyone know how to change the default torrent client ?
[12:28] <pvandewyngaerde> change the application for .torrent
[12:29] <pvandewyngaerde> i'm using kubuntu, i gnome its different i guess
[12:29] <pvandewyngaerde> in gnome *
[12:29] <aslan> pvandewyngaerde: hrmm.. ok good idea.. I can prob change it under nautilus
[12:33] <pvandewyngaerde> you find it ?
[12:33] <aslan> pvandewyngaerde: yep thanks
[12:52] <blekos> hi, is it possible to updgrade to tribe for from the internet of is it possible only from the cd? (i'm using kububtu)
[12:53] <buz> there's a howto for that on kubuntu.org i believe
[12:53] <buz> but i wouldnt recommend going to tribe4+ right now
[12:54] <blekos> i c
[12:54] <buz> it's in a not very nice state
[12:55] <buz> feisty sure had been in a better state this far along in the development cycle
[12:56] <blekos> i've read that gutsy will be faster
[12:56] <buz> marginally maybe
[12:56] <seezer> hi there. can anyone tell me which software is involved when i try to use the multimedia keys for volume up|down|mute? i just get the nifty OSD but nothing happens to the volume.
[12:56] <buz> seezer: same here
[12:58] <seezer> works fine on my notebook and since the keys seem to get detected correctly something "above" should have the problem. but i can't really tell what that is..
[12:58] <blekos> do u know if gnucash 2.2 will make it to the repos?
[12:59] <blekos> also I read that will be better power manager for laptops (i'm using one)
[01:00] <blekos> will this be available in Kubuntu as well (since the base of development is the same)
[01:00] <geser> blekos: unlikely that gnucash 2.2 will make it into gutsy, it isn't packaged in Debian yet and we are now in upstream version freeze
[01:02] <blekos> i've tried to compile it myself following the gnucash wiki but i always get some kind of errors
[01:03] <blekos> that pitty, I am a user of bug#1 (windows -dual boot) and using gnucash 2.2
[01:03] <blekos> I imported the file from linux
[01:03] <blekos> unfortunately now the file is unusable by gnucash 2.0
[01:03] <blekos> ...
[01:06] <daurnimator> gday all
[01:28] <whazilla> hey daurn
[02:18] <Assid> err
[02:18] <Assid> anyone here worked with samba
[02:23] <finalbeta> a long time ago, even linked it with active directory at some point.
[02:58] <Assid> finalbeta: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[02:59] <finalbeta> are you using apparmor/selinux?
[02:59] <finalbeta> there is allot on google about that error, I suggest you have a search
[03:00] <Assid> yes ithink i am
[03:06] <Assid> should i get rid of apparmor
[03:07] <finalbeta> Assid, one of the google posts I saw suggests it's a rights issue, samba not being able to write to the home dir when it's shared or something
[03:08] <finalbeta> You'll have to read
[03:08] <Assid> hrmm if i dont need apparomor .. i could just get rid of it right?
[03:08] <rsk> Assid it's linux... ofcourse u can uninstall it
[03:09] <Assid> rsk: rather i meant doesnt make sense for a desktop
[03:09] <Assid> so should i just get rid of it
[03:10] <Assid> okay got rid of apparmor.. still dont work :(
[03:10] <Assid> lemme reboot.. so no module is loaded of it
[03:17] <Assid> back
[03:17] <Assid> and it doesnt seem to work
[03:19] <Assid> finalbeta: doesnt work.. i got rid of apparmor
[03:25] <shadeofgrey> i have a generalized question
[03:26] <shadeofgrey> 'is it safe to assume that the gutsy release of ubuntu will run without ny serious problems on macbookpro's or macpro desktops if Nvidia chipsets are used ratherthan nvidia?
[03:27] <Eq|laptop> shadeofgrey; eh?
[03:27] <Eq|laptop> what's the difference?
[03:27] <Eq|laptop> surely you mean nvidia instead of ati?
[03:32] <Assid> Eq|laptop: hows your samba knowledge
[03:32] <Eq|laptop> generally fairly good.
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> yes
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> i meant nvidia over ati
[03:35] <shadeofgrey> look
[03:36] <Assid> Eq|laptop:  tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[03:36] <shadeofgrey> im handicapped, so i need dictation software when my fingers are finally a memory.  that means eventually running vista dual boot
[03:36] <Assid> smbclient "//<IP_ADDRESS>/Media/" -Uassid
[03:36] <Assid> thats with the trailing / and without .. same thing
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> but im REAL big on ubuntu and donate myweekends to transferring handicapped folks with virus laden windows xp machines to ubuntu users
[03:37] <shadeofgrey> burt i stopped doing it as soon as i got my mac because i couldnty ghet ubuntu to work with the ati chipset in my cfirst generation macbookpro
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> but the Dream Foundation has offered to buy me a computer and im torn between a macpro and a voodoopc OMEN
[03:38] <shadeofgrey> i WANT leopard but im not willing to sacrifice ubuntu compatability forit
[03:39] <shadeofgrey> and that means askingthe drram foundation to buy the 1700$ macpro Nvidia grapohics board for the macpro
[03:39] <shadeofgrey> and i have issues with that
[03:39] <Eq|laptop> shadeofgrey: yes, it'll work fine.
[03:39] <Eq|laptop> and it'd work with ati as well as nvidia
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> Eq|laptop, i cant even get the Ubuntu liveCD to boot right on my macbookpro
[03:40] <Eq|laptop> it's probably based on santa-rosa
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> no
[03:40] <Eq|laptop> there are presently issues with that intel chipset
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> its coreduo first generation
[03:40] <Eq|laptop> which livecd are you using?
[03:40] <shadeofgrey> ati radeon based graphics chip
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> i tried 7.04 and the most recent build of gutsy - couldnt get either to doshit
[03:41] <Eq|laptop> Assid: hrm.. i don't use smbclient much..
[03:41] <tormod> shadeofgrey: is that a X1600 card?
[03:41] <Assid> Eq|laptop: doesnt matter.. i cant access it either which way
[03:41] <Eq|laptop> Assid: try mount -t cifs -o username=assid //localhost/Media /mnt/something
[03:41] <shadeofgrey> yes!
[03:42] <tormod> shadeofgrey: I just googled up this: http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/blog/mgalvin/ubuntu-gutsy-macbook-pro-ati-fglrx-compiz-fusion-working-you-ask-yes
[03:42] <Assid> retrying with upper case share name
[03:42] <Assid> mount error 6 = No such device or address
[03:42] <tormod> shadeofgrey: "can't get to boot" "do shit" - can you be more specific?
[03:43] <Eq|laptop> Assid: either samba isn't running, you've got some weird-ass firewalling on the box, or it's misconfigured
[03:43] <Eq|laptop> what's the output of ps ax | grep smbd
[03:43] <shadeofgrey> tormod, yeah...  its weird - in both cases it'll how the ubuntu logo fine and show the progress bar fine but by the end all i get is a purple background and a white cjursor
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> and when i press keys i get a error an then garbage
[03:44] <tormod> shadeofgrey: did you try without "splash" ?
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> Jordan-U said he could get me going but it just seems REAL risky at this point
[03:44] <shadeofgrey> alli want to know is this
[03:45] <shadeofgrey> i used ubuntu exclusicvely for three years and stopped at the end of the dapper cycle
[03:45] <shadeofgrey> with a nvidia graphicd card 5300 and a amd64 chip
[03:46] <tormod> shadeofgrey: you've seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro ?
[03:46] <shadeofgrey> im only comfortable with asking the dream foundation for money if im SURE i can dualk boot leopard and ubuntu when the time coimes so iu can honor the fact that they spent $12,000 on hardware and softwarefor me by donating my weekends to concerting desperatewindows users to ubuntu with my entire weekends
[03:46] <shadeofgrey> tormod, yes and i dont trust that instruction set as far as i can throw it
[03:47] <shadeofgrey> all i want to know is this
[03:47] <shadeofgrey> if i get themacpro
[03:47] <shadeofgrey> and i get the quadro 4500 nvidia card
[03:47] <shadeofgrey> and i get 2 30" dell displays
[03:47] <shadeofgrey> am i going to be ablke to run leopard and ubuntu on the same machine without serious hacking or not
[03:48] <shadeofgrey> because if the answeer is no ill buy a dell with badass specs and be done with it
[03:48] <Eq|laptop> my gut feeling is yes
[03:49] <shadeofgrey> Eq|laptop, assuming your gut feeling is wrong are you willing to wortk with me to get it going if i cant hasndle it myself?
[03:49] <Eq|laptop> i can do my best, yeah
[03:49] <shadeofgrey> Eq|laptop, i owe the ubuntu community a whole lot..  im willing to fight to get it to work
[03:49] <shadeofgrey> im wiulling to bleed to get it to worrk because there are a lot of poor people that bought machines with vista that i need to save
[03:49] <Eq|laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> but i cant dio that unless im running ubuntu myself
[03:50] <Eq|laptop> according to that you have to use the alternate install with feisty
[03:50] <shadeofgrey> does anybody have any question of my convictions here?
[03:50] <Eq|laptop> i dont see anything that suggests gutsy is any different
[03:51] <Eq|laptop> alternate is a bit more work, but should go off fine..
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> see its this refit business that scares me
[03:51] <shadeofgrey> what the hell is it foer?
[03:52] <Assid> dammit.. it still doesnt work
[03:52] <Eq|laptop> probably so that grub doesnt need to understand efi
[03:52] <shadeofgrey> and i say again...  am i going to have to do all this if im running an nvidia board?
[03:52] <Eq|laptop> but that is conjecture on my part
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> becausse i dont mind waiting
[03:53] <Eq|laptop> probably not
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> in fact id prefer it if the general concensus is im going to have a far easier time with a macpro and Quadro 4500 card
[03:53] <Eq|laptop> some, yes
[03:53] <Eq|laptop> all, no.
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> okay
[03:53] <shadeofgrey> then heres my plan
[03:54] <Assid> http://pastebin.com/d46cfff2f
[03:54] <Eq|laptop> tbh they're much of a muchness.. imo nvidia's linux drivers are leagues better than ati's, but they're both a bit crap.
[03:54] <shadeofgrey> i neeed ridiculous resources to run visya and dictation software
[03:54] <shadeofgrey> so
[03:54] <Eq|laptop> Assid: comment out the interfaces line - it should bind to all
[03:55] <Eq|laptop> with that as it is, it will ONLY bind to eth1
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> im going to have two 10,000 rpm SATA drives for OS'es.. one for leopard - and then onesplit in half for vista and ubuntu
[03:55] <Eq|laptop> IF it works at all
[03:55] <Eq|laptop> that's a malformed line imo
[03:55] <shadeofgrey> then two 750 7200 rpn sata drives for stoirage
[03:55] <Eq|laptop> dang
[03:55] <Assid> doesnt help Eq|laptop
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> again one for leopard and one for vista and ubuntu
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> now
[03:56] <Eq|laptop> anyway - i reckon it should not be overly difficult to get ubuntu going on the mbp, or on any other mac (mac pro or whatever). might take a bit of effort initially, but nothing overly complex.
[03:56] <Eq|laptop> and that applies regardless of ati or nvidia
[03:56] <Eq|laptop> or even intel
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> talk to me about compiz evolution
[03:56] <shadeofgrey> because i want eye candy god damn it
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> yeah i know...  im a pushy bastard of a cripple
[03:57] <Eq|laptop> hehe
[03:57] <Eq|laptop> fusion's not bad
[03:57] <Eq|laptop> but it's still buggy as all hell
[03:57] <Eq|laptop> imo
[03:57] <TheInfinity> Eq|laptop: you try to get ubuntu on latest MBP? :)
[03:57] <Eq|laptop> TheInfinity: nope. that would require owning one
[03:57] <shadeofgrey> but when you can only move one limb under your own power and that limb happens to be a single arm and yo can only type with four fingers on that one hand.....  your coimputer becomes your life
[03:57] <TheInfinity> oh okay ;)
[03:58] <Eq|laptop> ya
[03:58] <TheInfinity> it is no difficulty btw ;)
[03:58] <shadeofgrey> what?
[03:58] <shadeofgrey> whats no difficulty?
[03:58] <Eq|laptop> Assid: you need to vastly strip down your config imo
[03:58] <TheInfinity> get ubuntu on mbp
[03:58] <shadeofgrey> with nvidia youmean?
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> yeah im hopingso
[03:59] <Eq|laptop> Assid: just pm'd you what i use on my server at home
[03:59] <Eq|laptop> see what you make of it.
[03:59] <Eq|laptop> i've gotta run
[03:59] <TheInfinity> nv drivers. nvidia css drivers are buggy, official statement - wait for next release
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> TheInfinity, can we speak in private?
[03:59] <TheInfinity> if you like ;)
[03:59] <shadeofgrey> id like
[04:00] <Eq|laptop> bbl folks
[04:05] <Assid> Eq|laptop: tried using your config (modified for my share) .. and used smbpasswd instead. didnt help
[04:10] <shadeofgrey> Eq|laptop, if you could run 2 30" screens at the same time would you bother?  or is it a total bitch to get working?
[04:12] <shadeofgrey> Eq|laptop, send me an email when you have a minute so i have your address --<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:12] <Eq|laptop> *pops back in briefly*
[04:12] <Eq|laptop> no, i probably wouldn't bother - because you'd need two gfx cards to do it afaik
[04:12] <shadeofgrey> nope
[04:12] <Eq|laptop> shadeofgrey: see pm
[04:13] <shadeofgrey> quad 4500 has dual dual dvi
[04:13] <Eq|laptop> ah, ok
[04:13] <Eq|laptop> in that case i'd consider it, if i had the cash
[04:13] <Eq|laptop> would need one hell of a desk though! :P
[04:13] <Eq|laptop> it shouldn't be too difficult to get working
[04:14] <Eq|laptop> especially with the replacement for xinerama.. forgotten what it's called atm, but it looks rather cunning..
[04:14] <Eq|laptop> anyway..  bbl, got a laptop to rebuild
[04:30] <seezer> "/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: invalid option -- c" i get for new (>2.6.22-7) generic images while running postinst (update-initramfs). anyone got an explanation for this? using 0.85eubuntu17 (didn't work with .ubuntu16 either)
[04:30] <seezer> this works fine on my desktop - but on the laptop it refuses to create the ramdisk
[04:31] <seezer> somehow update-initramfs seems to pass "-c" through to mkinitramfs
[04:31] <seezer> can't figure out why
[04:33] <seezer> err.. 0.85eubuntu17 is the version of initramfs-tools..
[04:34] <tormod> seezer: also when you run update-initramfs manually?
[04:36] <seezer> tormod: gonna try that in a second
[04:36] <seezer> inserted a debug line in the postinst script telling me:
[04:36] <seezer> DEBUG: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -c -k 2.6.22-9-generic
[04:37] <shadeofgrey> hey folks
[04:37] <seezer> but above it says
[04:37] <seezer> my $ramdisk           = "/usr/sbin/update-initramfs";  # List of tools to create initial ram fs.
[04:38] <shadeofgrey> if i can get 7.04 alternate installed on first gen macbookpro cant easyubuntu do alll the hard ati graphics stuff for me?
[04:38] <SeveredCross> I would stay away from easyubuntu.
[04:38] <seezer> seems to be overwritten by $1 (      $ramdisk         = "$1"  if /ramdisk\s*=\s*(.+)$/ig;
[04:38] <seezer> )
[04:38] <SeveredCross> Getting ATI graphics working is as simple as doing sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:39] <shadeofgrey> okay
[04:39] <SeveredCross> That's what I did for my Inspiron E1705, and I have 3D acceleration, the works.
[04:39] <shadeofgrey> then how do i accompliush that via the liveCD
[04:39] <SeveredCross> How do you mean?
[04:39] <SeveredCross> Oh right, the LiveCD won't start X.
[04:39] <SeveredCross> Because VESA's busted.
[04:40] <shadeofgrey> if i can get the liveCD to boot afterdoing the ati driver shit working ill take the plunge, install bootcamp and takethe risk
[04:40] <shadeofgrey> mind you its a hugerisk
[04:40] <SeveredCross> All you need to do is get yourself a valid internet connection, enable multiverse and universe repositories, and install xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:40] <SeveredCross> ^^
[04:40] <shadeofgrey> but i ghave superdupert installed
[04:40] <shadeofgrey> so worse comes to worse
[04:40] <seezer> tormod: ah ok. replaced $ramdisk with the path to update-initramfs in the system() call - it works fine now.
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> if i nuke my entire disk i can just replace the entire thing with my latest backup
[04:41] <SeveredCross> Once you get dropped back to the CLI after X tells you it couldn't start, all you have to do is hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get yourself to a tty
[04:41] <seezer> gonna search for the reason that it gets overwritten somehow
[04:41] <SeveredCross> Then work from the CLI to install xorg-driver-fglrx to the Live CD.
[04:41] <SeveredCross> Then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart and you'll get the LiveCD X environment.
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> SeveredCross, you understand though dont you that im not on a pc im on a first generation macbookpro running an ati x1600 card
[04:42] <SeveredCross> Yeah.
[04:42] <SeveredCross> It all works the same.
[04:42] <shadeofgrey> SeveredCross, you still think you can hlp me makeit work?
[04:42] <SeveredCross> Yes...
[04:42] <SeveredCross> The process is the same.
[04:42] <seezer> /etc/kernel-img.conf got a line "ramdisk = /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs
[04:42] <seezer> "
[04:42] <seezer> hum.
[04:42] <shadeofgrey> SeveredCross, okay pm me with the exact steps i need to follow after restarting my mac with the ubuntu CD in
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> to get the liveCD working
[04:43] <SeveredCross> I won't PM you but I'll list them for you.
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> THEN
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> please pm me
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> iy'll make my life easier
[04:43] <SeveredCross> I dislike PM, I'll just tell you here.
[04:43] <SeveredCross> It's not moving that fast, you can follow.
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> okay fine
[04:43] <SeveredCross> Step 1. Boot LiveCD. When you get told that X can't start, answer No to both questions, and let yourself get dropped out to the commandline. Then, hit Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a workable tty.
[04:44] <SeveredCross> This tty should be logged in as user "ubuntu"
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> not ctrl-alt-f2?
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> er
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> f1
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> ?
[04:44] <SeveredCross> No.
[04:44] <tormod> shadeofgrey: a little warning: you have wired / no-configuration internet connection? Network-manager would need the GUI...
[04:44] <SeveredCross> Right, I forgot to mention that.
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> tormod, no i have nothing but wireless
[04:45] <SeveredCross> Even so, a little iwconfig work is all it takes in most cases.
[04:45] <SeveredCross> Do you know the SSID of your wireless network and is it security enabled?
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> yes and yes
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> and i know the connect passwoed
[04:45] <SeveredCross> What security? WPA?
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> yes
[04:45] <SeveredCross> Shit.
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> er
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> no
[04:46] <SeveredCross> wpa_supplicant is a BITCH.
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> WAP
[04:46] <SeveredCross> WEP?
[04:46] <SeveredCross> WAP is not a wireless security mode, last I checked.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> WPA and WEP are.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> WAP is Wireless Access Point
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> then im WEP
[04:46] <tormod> shadeofgrey: the alternative is to download the fglrx package (.deb) and install it with dpkg -i
[04:47] <SeveredCross> You'll need libstdc++5 and something else too.
[04:47] <tormod> shadeofgrey: I mean download from another computer and transfer with USB stick.
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> screw it
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> ill just wait till i have my macpro and my nvidia quadro 4500 card
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Whatever you want.
[04:48] <SeveredCross> It's really not that difficult.
[04:48] <shadeofgrey> but id still like a concensus on how hard it would be to get 2 30" displays working in ubuntu onnce i gt it installed
[04:48] <shadeofgrey> they offered me 2 and i really wanna say yes
[04:48] <SeveredCross> No idea how that would work with nVidia.
[04:49] <SeveredCross> With ATI, it's not superbly difficult, aticonfig can do most of the setup for you.
[04:49] <shadeofgrey> you've gotta be kidding
[04:49] <SeveredCross> Why have I got to be kidding?
[04:49] <shadeofgrey> i thoiught ati driver support inn ubuntu blew rancid ardvark nuts
[04:49] <SeveredCross> It's really not as bad as everyone claims it is.
[04:50] <SeveredCross> It could certainly be better, but it's not all that bad
[04:50] <shadeofgrey> is nvidia support far superior?
[04:50] <rsk> FAR
[04:50] <shadeofgrey> okay then.
[04:50] <shadeofgrey> that does it for me
[04:51] <shadeofgrey> i wait until i have an nvidia graphics card
[04:51] <SeveredCross> Meh.
[04:51] <shadeofgrey> rsk:  on a scale of 1 to 10?
[04:51] <SeveredCross> That's a lousy-ass attitude.
[05:24] <Do``> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Bootloader_Manager_0_2_With_Screenshots
[05:38] <Regel> Does some1 have a working totem? Mine gives me seg fault every time I try to run it. Even the newest stable gives me seg faults
[05:38] <Regel> It's been like that for a while
[05:39] <Eq|laptop> shadeofgrey: just came across something.. you don't need refit anymore. grub works fine. (refit /WAS/ the bootloader)
[05:43] <Arwen> hey cool, the open dialog has a search button now!
[05:44] <Arwen> Regel, I don't have totem right now, but I'll go fetch it and check
[05:44] <Arwen> Regel, mine works. Still slow as hell, but it works.
[05:45] <Regel> It says:(totem:3474): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string a couple of times and then gives me seg fault
[05:45] <Regel> gdb gives me now useful info either
[05:45] <Regel> no
[05:45] <Regel> no useful info
[05:47] <Regel> oh well, I'll just have to get used to kaffeine then
[05:48] <Arwen> eh, MPlayer rules
[05:49] <Regel> MPlayer doesnt support dvb :(
[05:50] <Regel> as far as I know
[05:50] <Arwen> it does
[05:50] <Arwen> never used it for that, but I know it does from discussion in #mplayer
[05:50] <Regel> rly?
[05:50] <Regel> I got to check that out
[06:06] <frank23> hello. I'm trying to find the latest gutsy daily iso to download but I can only find the latest alternate iso. Are there no live cd daily iso?
[06:06] <Pici> frank23: It should be there, but the daily isos arent nearly as stable as the tribe isos
[06:06] <frank23> Pici: nm yeah I just found the live
[06:07] <Pici> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:07] <frank23> Pici: what is the latest tribe?
[06:07] <Pici> 4.. I think
[06:08] <Pici> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/
[06:09] <frank23> Pici: thanks
[06:09] <whazilla> can i load gutsy and boot gutsy from usb stick ?
[06:15] <Arwen> same way you do with every other release (and don't ask me how, I don't know)
[06:19] <whazilla> lol
[06:19] <whazilla> i just tried with feisty without result hence me asking bout gutsy
[07:11] <Raubkopierer> Hallo allerseits... ich hab da mal ne Frage ob mir jemand sagen kann wie ich dieses Problem mit den Schriftarten in Firefox unter Gutsy lsen kann. Sprich damit dort einige Schriften nicht mehr so fadenscheinig sind. Danke
[07:12] <Raubkopierer> oh.. sorry...
[07:12] <pvandewyngaerde> hello. english please , fonts problem ?
[07:13] <Raubkopierer> yes...
[07:13] <Raubkopierer> sorry again
[07:14] <Raubkopierer> I would like to know how to fix this problem with fonts in firefox. There exists ja fix or?
[07:15] <pvandewyngaerde> Raubkopierer:  do you have compiz ?
[07:16] <Raubkopierer> yes...
[07:16] <Raubkopierer> why?
[07:17] <shirish> Hi all, can somebody tell me what is this  LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[07:18] <nosrednaekim> shirish: thats where a progam goes for its shared libraries...
[07:18] <nosrednaekim> usually /usr/lib I think
[07:19] <shirish> nosrednaekim: ok I have a query maybe you can help me with then
[07:19] <nosrednaekim> go ahead.
[07:20] <shirish> nosrednaekim: first look at this http://pastebin.ca/663491
[07:21] <shirish> nosrednaekim: then look at http://www.pastebin.ca/663493
[07:22] <rsk> howto upgrade to 7.04 to gutsy?
[07:22] <rsk> !upgrade
[07:22] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:22] <shirish> nosrednaekim: now can you tell me how to tell that the libraries are there in LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[07:24] <rsk> is there a wikipage for that?
[07:24] <nosrednaekim> try "path wx-config"
[07:24] <nosrednaekim> never mind..
[07:24] <shirish> nosrednaekim: just a moment, hang on, I have more.
[07:24] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[07:25] <shirish> nosrednaekim: this is where the libraries are located http://www.pastebin.ca/663498
[07:25] <shirish> nosrednaekim: all of them are at /usr/lib as you rightly said.
[07:26] <crimsun> use /usr/lib/wx/config/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8
[07:26] <nosrednaekim> run "type wx-config"... maybe its not in the path...
[07:26] <crimsun> we ship it differently from upstream based on Debian pedigree.
[07:27] <shirish> crimsun: wx-config gives stuff
[07:28] <shirish> crimsun:  type wx-config
[07:28] <shirish> wx-config is hashed (/usr/bin/wx-config)
[07:28] <shirish> crimsun: and just giving wx-config runs the binary & we get output like http://www.pastebin.ca/663502
[07:29] <shirish> crimsun: nosrednaekim: I'm novice at what this LD_LIBRARY_PATH thing is so need your help guys
[07:30] <shirish> crimsun: nosrednaekim: I do understand its basically telling where the libraries are or something like that
[07:32] <crimsun> why are you concerned with $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[07:32] <crimsun> it has nothing to do with what you intend; you already have /usr/lib/wx/config/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8
[07:33] <crimsun> look at the `./configure --help' output for whatever wxWidgets app you're attempting to compile
[07:33] <crimsun> specifically, you're looking for a --with-wxwidgets option
[07:34] <crimsun> further, if there's an option that allows you to specify the path to wx-config, you want to pass /usr/lib/wx/config/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8 to it
[07:34] <crimsun> this is what we do for many wxWidgets apps like vlc
[07:34] <shirish> crimsun: there is this big ./configure --help thing
[07:35] <shirish> crimsun: this is for boinc , a distributed computing manager & client
[07:35] <shirish> crimsun: http://www.pastebin.ca/663510
[07:35] <crimsun> boinc is in Ubuntu.
[07:36] <crimsun> perhaps you're looking for the boinc-manager package?
[07:36] <crimsun> or kboincspy?
[07:36] <shirish> crimsun: I know I want to try out the newer one , I took the package from svn & compiling it.
[07:37] <crimsun> then do it the Debian way, which is to generate a proper source package.
[07:37] <crimsun> start with `apt-get build-dep boinc-manager'
[07:37] <shirish> crimsun: while configuring it gave me the warning at http://pastebin.ca/663491
[07:38] <crimsun> there are myriad resources for generating Ubuntu packages; #ubuntu-motu can give you additional pointers for documentation that you should read first.
[07:38] <shirish> crimsun: I don't think that will work as it has stuff for 2.6 series, the newest boinc needs wxwidgets 2.8  http://pastebin.ca/663491
[07:38] <crimsun> it does work; you just need to adjust debian/control and debian/rules
[07:38] <shirish> crimsun: I'm not look at doing packaging at this point in time, this is much a personal thing atm, once I get a bit more command then perhaps I could think about packaging
[07:39] <crimsun> I'm telling you that the easiest way to do it is to bootstrap up from the existing package
[07:39] <crimsun> all the hard work has been done for you.  Why bang your forehead against a desk if you don't have to?
[07:40] <nosrednaekim> cause its fun :)
[07:41] <shirish> nosrednaekim: no, not for fun, let's say i do run into some bug, if I do the way its said there, then atleast I know I did what was asked & what did not happen.
[07:41] <shirish> nosrednaekim: also I'm new to all this stuff, it does take time to understand & sink in things.
[07:42] <shirish> nosrednaekim: crimsun: I know it should be something simple (esp. for you whiz guys) , but if you think it's too much of a hassle, then don't wanna disturb you or something.
[07:43] <yaustar> Has anyone else had trouble shutting down from 7.10?
[07:44] <shirish> yaustar: nope
[07:45] <nosrednaekim> shirish: did you google it yet?
[07:45] <shirish> nosrednaekim: I did google about LD_LIBRARY_PATH, yes but all the stuff it gives me is beyond my comprehension ability
[07:45] <yaustar> Currently running on my laptop and it during shutdown it looks like it goes to bash (white text on black) and just stops. I can still type stuff but cannot execute any commands...
[07:49] <shirish> nosrednaekim: crimsun: thanx for all your help guys, at the very least, I know a bit more than I started today, gotta make coffee & then will be back, i.e. if you guys can bear me ;)
[07:58] <Cwiiis> there used to be an option when running beryl to switch between nvidia, aiglx and xgl compositing methods (or something like that?) - does anyone know if/where the equivalent option with compiz-fusion is in gutsy? (the nvidia method provided superior performance for me)
[08:00] <ericvmelo> I have a problem with my sound card. I have tried everything and still no sound... :( Can somebody give me a hand?
[08:01] <crdlb> Cwiiis, that rendering method option was well...bad
[08:01] <crdlb> you can use --indirect-rendering or --loose-binding though
[08:02] <Cwiiis> crdlb: Has the option definitely been removed? Performance is unacceptable for me without it, I get terrible jerking any time CPU usage goes above idle and windows don't move smoothly like before
[08:02] <crdlb> it was never there
[08:02] <crdlb> if you have an nvidia card, try --loose-binding
[08:02] <Cwiiis> I can assure you it was, with beryl...
[08:02] <Cwiiis> will do
[08:03] <crdlb> Cwiiis, it never was with compiz
[08:03] <crdlb> so it wasn't removed, just never added
[08:03] <Cwiiis> crdlb: mm, I said beryl :)
[08:04] <Cwiiis> crdlb: I guess that part was never merged back in
[08:04] <crdlb> nothing was merged into the core
[08:04] <crdlb> with a few exceptions
[08:04] <crdlb> the core is compiz
[08:04] <Cwiiis> righ
[08:04] <Cwiiis> t
[08:05] <Cwiiis> hmm, doesn't seem to have made much of a difference :( Back to metacity it is then...
[08:06] <crdlb> Cwiiis, one thing to check in ccsm, disable "Detect refresh rate" in General Options>Display Settings
[08:06] <crdlb> and set the refresh rate to your actual refresh rate
[08:06] <crdlb> the nvidia driver deliberately misreports it
[08:06] <Cwiiis> crdlb: It's not that kind of slow-down - say I load up aptitude, the mouse cursor actually jerks
[08:07] <Cwiiis> crdlb: Everything is completely halted until it finishes
[08:07] <crdlb> nvidia :(
[08:07] <Cwiiis> crdlb: Used to be fine in beryl, but only using the nvidia method - I'm not that bothered, metacity's a much better window manager anyway... Expose would be nice though :)
[08:11] <shirish> Cwiiis: what is this expose thing, its a window manager?
[08:12] <Cwiiis> shirish: The feature on MacOS X/compiz that scales all the windows on a workspace (or all workspaces) to fit onto the screen to allow you to switch to an app
[08:12] <shirish> Cwiiis: got it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_(Mac_OS_X)
[10:26] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/uy2S6m56.html
[10:26] <Arwen> arkygeek, any lines above that?
[10:27] <arkygeek> Arwen: http://rafb.net/p/2ND0CT14.html
[10:28] <Arwen> try removing korganizer first
[10:30] <arkygeek> Arwen: that did it
[10:30] <malnilion> What problems are you having upgrading to Gutsy, pal_?
[10:30] <Arwen> arkygeek, now try reinstall korganizer
[10:30] <Arwen> (if you need it)
[10:30] <arkygeek> sudo dpkg -r korganizer || sudo apt-get -f install
[10:30] <arkygeek> Arwen: which reinstalled korganizer
[10:30] <Arwen> ok
[10:31] <Arwen> (fixing dist-upgrade is fun isn't it?)
[10:31] <pal_> malnilion when i do the update-manager -d command it gives and error on the Modifying channels part
[10:31] <arkygeek> Configuration file `/etc/gnome/defaults.list'
[10:31] <arkygeek> default action you reckon?
[10:32] <pal_> says: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
[10:32] <Arwen> gutsy-commercial isn't up yet
[10:32] <dick-richardson> is vmware-server in commercial?
[10:32] <arkygeek> well i think i must be getting close to having this upgrade comlete
[10:32] <malnilion> Huh, I didn't even know there was a commercial version of Ubuntu
[10:33] <dick-richardson> malnilion: it's not necessarily a commercial version...just a repo w/commercial apps
[10:33] <Arwen> it's not commercial Ubuntu
[10:33] <arkygeek> 72-acpi-pain.sh     lol what the heck is that??  heh
[10:33] <arooni> can someone please help me get my ethernet card up (t61 laptop, e1000 drivers)... when i load it up with sudo ifconfig eth0 up... i get: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt error: -22 ... any ideas on how to fix?
[10:33] <malnilion> Oh, I see
[10:33] <Arwen> it's commercial software
[10:33] <pal_> malnilion I follow the directions on the page of gusty and it guided me to issue the update-manager -d command.  Is there another way of me upgrading to gusty trib4
[10:33] <dick-richardson> anyone able to run webmin in gutsy? I'm unable to log into the localhost
[10:34] <dick-richardson> pal_: you can just change the references in /etc/apt/sources.list to gutsy
[10:34] <Pici> !webmin | dick-richardson
[10:34] <ubotu> dick-richardson: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system
[10:34] <pal_> thanks dick
[10:34] <dick-richardson> that sucks :( is that going to be corrected?
[10:34] <Pici> dick-richardson: Ask the webmin team
[10:35] <arkygeek> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-16-386
[10:35] <arkygeek> ^^ that is what scares me
[10:35] <malnilion> Why does that scare you?
[10:36] <pal_> thanks dick for you help
[10:36] <pal_> brb
[10:36] <malnilion> You'll have your old kernel still if shit hits the fan, I'm pretty sure.
[10:36] <pal_> ill try that one
[10:36] <arkygeek> last time it borked my whole system.  had to live cd chroot and mess about
[10:36] <Pici> arkygeek: If that scares you, running Gutsy may not be for you.
[10:36] <arooni> can someone please help me get my ethernet card up (t61 laptop, e1000 drivers)... when i load it up with sudo ifconfig eth0 up... i get: e1000_request_irq: Unable to allocate MSI interrupt error: -22 ... any ideas on how to fix?
[10:37] <arkygeek> there was a problem with the grub settings
[10:37] <arooni> i'm so frusterated :9
[10:37] <arkygeek> had to do with raids, i think
[10:37] <arkygeek> arooni is it known to work under linux?
[10:38] <arooni> arkygeek: ya http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29
[10:47] <arkygeek> bad image index
[10:47] <arkygeek> i am getting that ^^^ quite a lot
[10:48] <arkygeek> The generated cache was invalid.
[10:54] <DanaG> I used to get that error -22, but it didn't actually affect the behavior.
[10:54] <DanaG> But I've been having my eth0 (e1000) crash under heavy load.
[11:10] <arkygeek> ok, done
[11:10] <arkygeek> rebooting.... wish me luck :s
[11:16] <Jazon> success!
[11:17] <Jazon> wifi 100%
[11:17] <Jazon> dual head setup 100%
[11:17] <Jazon> loving gutsy so far!
[11:17] <Jazon> porn still there... ;-)
[11:17] <Jazon> life is all good
[11:18] <avis> to try out gutsy i change all instances of feisty to gutsy in sources.list and then issue a update-manger -d ?
[11:19] <jrib> no, the update-manager should do all taht for you:
[11:19] <jrib> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[11:20] <Jazon> things look a bit different somehow...
[11:20] <Jazon> fonts maybe bolder or something?
[11:21] <avis> hmm it seems based on what another user wrote i changed all feistys to gutsy in sources.list then did a upgrade-manager -d ?  is that going to mess up my system ?
[11:21] <Jazon> avis: i just did a successful upgrade by doing: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   after changing my sources.list
[11:22] <Jazon> but listen to those who know... i only know what i did...
[11:23] <ggilbert> avis: In theory no. In practice it won't unless something is  horribly broken in gutsy at the time. The possibility is always there though, since gutsy is still under development.
[11:23] <avis> thank you
[11:24] <DanaG> !aptitude
[11:24] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[11:24] <DanaG> Duuude, people, use aptitude.
[11:25] <AnRkey> avis, best to wait till tribe 5
[11:25] <AnRkey> gutsy repos are frozen and being made ready for tribe 5
[11:25] <avis> could someone copy and paste the url of the "about gutsy" stuff when firefox is loaded from a fresh install
[11:26] <AnRkey> avis, what do u wanna know about gutsy?
[11:26] <avis> AnRkey, unfortunatelly i'm in the process of upgrade-manager -d right now.  will it be seamless moving to the changes in tribe 5 ?
[11:27] <avis> well i just wanted to check out the usual "how to" related stuff for gutsy like when installing a new distribution.  like community written support pages etc
[11:27] <AnRkey> avis, don't know
[11:27] <Jazon> how do i verify that i am fully gutsy?
[11:27] <AnRkey> avis, I have been having problems with my testing machines when doing network installs
[11:27] <Jazon> uname -r and something??
[11:28] <AnRkey> mostly "no kernal candidate found" errors
[11:28] <avis> while it would be upsetting the worst that could be happening would be installing feisty from scratch
[11:29] <avis> i think i'll burn a gutsy cd just in case
[11:30] <dsmith> Hmmmm I was updating Gutsy and it crashed
[11:32] <|muelli|> Where can I actually set my locales? Is /etc/profile probably the best place to do so?
[11:34] <AnRkey> avis burn a gutsy tribe 4 cd
[11:34] <AnRkey> that works
[11:34] <AnRkey> the builds from 15 16 and 18th are giving me loads of problems during installs
[11:34] <AnRkey> i have stopped testing untill tribe 5
[11:42] <DanaG> Perhaps 'locales' is dpkg-reconfigure-able.
[11:52] <avis> i had good luck with update-manager -d it did a successful network install of gutsy
[11:54] <ggilbert> Is anyone using gutsy with compiz, an nvidia card, and working GL apps?
[11:57] <Muelli> DanaG: nice suggestion, but It's not what I want. It chooses what locales to use and selects a default one. But I want to set LC_MESSAGES to a different value than, say, LC_TIME. And I don't know how to achieve this yet
[11:57] <arooni> folks!  i'm installing on the ubuntu alternate 7.04 cd... and its on 'select and install software' and its at 85% "installed br1tty-x11" and has been for a LONG time....
[11:57] <arooni> is that ok?
[11:57] <ggilbert> Just wait it out and it should finish eventually
[11:57] <Muelli> arooni: you might want to check the log on another terminal..
[11:57] <ggilbert> I know it was slow for me around tha point
[11:58] <arooni> oh wait here it goes~!
[11:58] <arooni> 90%  zomg!
[11:58] <Muelli> or fire up top to see whether a process deos something
[11:59] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps there's something in /etc/default for locales.
[12:16] <ubuntu__> hello
[12:17] <ubuntu__> I have Kubuntu 7.10 tribe 4. I was hoping KDE 4 would be here.
[12:17] <ubuntu__> Doesn't seem very diffrent from the 3.5 I had on Fiesty
[12:19] <TheInfinity> kde4 has extra apt-get sources.
[12:19] <TheInfinity> kubuntu 7.10 will not include KDE4
[12:19] <ubuntu__> shucks. ;D
[12:19] <ubuntu__> I'll hold off until 7.10 is stable before trying out kde 4
[12:20] <TheInfinity> because KDE4 is released after 7.10 release
[12:20] <ubuntu__> o, well then ;d
[12:20] <TheInfinity> you can install kde4 also on ubuntu 7.04
[12:20] <TheInfinity> but its alpha. that should say everything.
[12:20] <arooni> folks i'm following: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_%28Feisty_Fawn%29_on_a_ThinkPad_T61#Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100_.28Chipset_GM965.29_.28Solved.29 .... (i followed the pinning process), and when i'm done:  EE Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)   ideas? (7.04)
[12:21] <ubuntu__> I don't know "dpkg and dependencies" like warned at the top. but I want to install 7.10 kubuntu and submit bugs as i see....
[12:22] <ubuntu__> are those 2 important? :s
[12:23] <TheInfinity> you should be familiar with console at all.
[12:23] <TheInfinity> if you are not its not a good idea to make alphatesting
[12:24] <TheInfinity> because the devs need information, not just "it does not work"
[12:25] <ubuntu__> well i know a decent amount of command line
[12:25] <ubuntu__> like downloading with it and changing directory. bashing stuff and execute ;)
[12:25] <ubuntu__> well, last 2 are sorta same
[12:26] <TheInfinity> workin with vi because xorg dies not start for some reason etc ...? ;)
[12:26] <ubuntu__> ;P tryin to scare me away eh
[12:27] <TheInfinity> no - if you want to learn this is a great chance.
[12:27] <ubuntu__> yeap
[12:27] <ubuntu__> hum, quick question here....
[12:27] <TheInfinity> there are only too much people who think "ah alpha software - brand new - i install it at my productive system"
[12:27] <arooni> folks how can i do thsi: I also had to install the latest kernel for Feisty
[12:28] <TheInfinity> and 1 hour later comes: "linux is crap, does not work"
[12:28] <ubuntu__> i messed the crap out of my ati drivers on ubuntu, then tried kde and i liked it but it was slow.... running on mesa drivers
[12:28] <ubuntu__> i noticed it said "if ur cpu is powerful, enable all the effects" in the install
[12:28] <ubuntu__> and it ran pretty laggy
[12:29] <ubuntu__> :s is that drivers or a not clean install?
[12:29] <ubuntu__> gnome ran fine with mesa
[12:29] <Arwen> mesa drivers as in "vesa"? or as in "ati"?
[12:30] <ubuntu__> uh, it said mesa and it was ati :z
[12:30] <Arwen> um, mesa doesn't mean squat.
[12:30] <ubuntu__> ok, lets see
[12:30] <ubuntu__> when i did fglrxinfo it said for opengl, mesa 1.5 or somthing
[12:30] <Arwen> oh, there we go
[12:31] <ubuntu__> ;)
[12:31] <Arwen> You don't have GPU accelerated 3d rendering. Instead, you're using CPU emulation.
[12:31] <ubuntu__> well that explains the kde lag
[12:31] <Arwen> That's why you can't use any of the 3d effects.
[12:31] <ubuntu__> i shouldn't expect any lag with an ati x300 and restricted drivers enabled right? :D
[12:31] <Arwen> An X300 is a really really bad card, lol.
[12:32] <ubuntu__> pff
[12:32] <ubuntu__> i've had it for years, still smojkes the old games i still play
[12:32] <Arwen> Let's see. But if you have accel right, it should still work fast enough. Anyway, your drivers aren't installed right.
[12:32] <ubuntu__> yea, i messed that and synaptic package manager up when installing NetBeans through it
[12:33] <ubuntu__> so a reinstall was in order
[12:33] <ggilbert> Hmmm, are you talking about the compiz desktop effects? Those won't work  well with your X300 and the restricted drivers
[12:34] <ubuntu__> yea i never tried em
[12:34] <Arwen> ggilbert, eh? They work on my X300.
[12:34] <ubuntu__> i just wanted updated drivers for the ati card so cod2 and cs:s wouldn't mess up. (cod2 had transparent walls)
[12:34] <Arwen> Even heavy effects like blur and rain.
[12:34] <ubuntu__> then they went kasplat ;)
[12:34] <ggilbert> Arwen: You're using the fglrx drivers or the stock radeon driver?
[12:34] <Arwen> both
[12:34] <ubuntu__> at the same time :O ?
[12:35] <Arwen> (or have)
[12:35] <ggilbert> Interesting, last I had checked, ATI still hadn't added the proper extensions to support it. Glad to see that's changed
[12:35] <ubuntu__> composite or whatever?
[12:35] <ubuntu__> i didn't know they had that either. thought nvidia was only one
[12:35] <Arwen> ggilbert, they haven't.
[12:36] <Arwen> ggilbert, you can use Xgl to emulate the composite extension.
[12:36] <arooni> hey folks i'm really close to getting intel x3100 video working on my t61!  i get this error when x tries to load: (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device or address) ... what should i do?
[12:36] <ggilbert> Oh, you're using Xgl
[12:36] <ubuntu__> :o t61? I'm gettin a T61p soon.
[12:36] <Arwen> arooni, weird, X3100s aren't AGP.
[12:37] <ggilbert> I should give that a try. I wonder if suspend will get along with fglrx these days
[12:37] <Arwen> arooni, what's your xorg.conf look like?
[12:37] <Arwen> ggilbert, suspend seems to work (to RAM at least)
[12:37] <arooni> Arwen: kinda hard to paste since i dont have x on that lappy ;(
[12:37] <Arwen> arooni, heh
[12:37] <Arwen> oh yeah, anyone know how to use a mouse in a tty console?
[12:37] <ggilbert> neat. I gave up on FGLRX a while back and have just been looking forward to getting a laptop with  intel graphics. :)
[12:38] <Arwen> One of my old slackware installs worked that way.
[12:38] <rsk> Arwen install gpm
[12:38] <Arwen> ggilbert, fglrx still sucks. the 8.40 one fixes a bunch of long-standing bugs, but it won't work on my system.
[12:38] <Arwen> rsk, cool. Do I need to configure it at all?
[12:38] <arooni> folks did i make the right move getting x3100 over nvidia 140m in my t61?
[12:39] <rsk> Arwen: dont think so
[12:39] <arooni> im having possible regrets ;p
[12:39] <ubuntu__> (I'd say the 140m woulda been better)
[12:39] <Arwen> arooni, well, the x3100 should work well, but I'm not sure what your problem is.
[12:39] <Arwen> dunno how a 140m compares, I only know the XXXX numbering scheme.
[12:39] <arooni> damn
[12:39] <arooni> modprobing it didnt work
[12:40] <ubuntu__> Quadro 140m == 8600 GS
[12:40] <ggilbert> arooni, I'm sure it can be made to work reasonably well with some effort. Generally I'd still say ATI and Linux are a bad combo.
[12:40] <Arwen> arooni, lol, you shoulda taken the 140m
[12:40] <Arwen> 8600GS mobile? SWEET.
[12:41] <ggilbert> but that could change
[12:41] <arooni> Arwen: really?
[12:41] <ubuntu__> i would think so
[12:41] <arooni> why
[12:41] <arooni> is this something i can swap out later
[12:41] <arooni> if i want
[12:41] <ubuntu__> well.... it depends on what you want your notebook for
[12:41] <arooni> business + programming
[12:41] <arooni> i dont like games
[12:41] <arooni> but i like beryl
[12:41] <Arwen> oh, never mind (that card woulda killed your battery time)
[12:41] <ubuntu__> hum, 140m would still suit you well
[12:41] <ggilbert> If you don't care much for 3d stuff, then the ATI will work just fine
[12:42] <ubuntu__> if u like effects, the quadro woulda done that like a pro ;D
[12:42] <ubuntu__> oh noes
[12:42] <AnRkey> i have always been an nvidia man
[12:42] <ubuntu__> i've turned into nvidia dude
[12:42] <AnRkey> nvidia just works
[12:42] <ubuntu__> my ati was nothing but trouble
[12:42] <arooni> Arwen: thats what iw as worreid about
[12:42] <AnRkey> intel is my second best
[12:42] <DanaG> My NVIDIA is also lots of trouble.
[12:42] <DanaG> Got random Xorg freezes?
[12:43] <DanaG> Got Xorg crashing when running GLX apps under Compiz?
[12:43] <AnRkey> i have a 4 year old pc at work
[12:43] <AnRkey> p4 2.4
[12:43] <AnRkey> gutsy runs compiz-fusion smoooooothyl on it
[12:43] <DanaG> Got unaccelerated framebuffer with no native-res modes?
[12:43] <AnRkey> i am sooo impressed
[12:43] <AnRkey> DanaG, ???
[12:43] <ggilbert> Nvidia and Intel have both done pretty well with putting out a quality drive and keeping it up to date
[12:43] <DanaG> Got GPU staying in low-power mode even when running 3D apps sometimes?
[12:44] <Arwen> well, seeing as the only time your CPU would run compiz is when it's malconfigured, that's not too impressive.
[12:44] <ubuntu__> :/ i found a bug in gutsy already. the installer has a seperate little window for loading bars. it's probably just temporary. but its weird ;P
[12:44] <AnRkey> i just wish nvidia would make it's drivers open source
[12:44] <DanaG> oh, and in Windows, PowerMizer is broken... battery forces me to low-power mode only.  No "balanced" available.
[12:44] <AnRkey> has ati gone open source on it's drivers yet?
[12:44] <arooni> hey folks i'm really close to getting intel x3100 video working on my t61!  i get this error when x tries to load: (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device or address) ... what should i do?
[12:44] <arooni> ive already tried modprobing it
[12:45] <Arwen> AnRkey, no, and they haven't fixed them either.
[12:45] <AnRkey> fixed them?
[12:45] <AnRkey> don't have an ati so don't know...
[12:45] <AnRkey> Arwen, whats wrong with them?
[12:46] <Arwen> let's see..
[12:46] <Arwen> they're unstable and 30-50% slower than the Windows drivers
[12:46] <Arwen> the dual-head mode won't let you use different resolutions on each head
[12:46] <ubuntu__> arooni isn't GART an AGP protection thing?
[12:46] <Arwen> you can't use XVideo and OpenGL at the same time
[12:46] <arooni> um oh noes
[12:47] <arooni> what do i need to do
[12:47] <Arwen> VSync doesn't eliminate tearing, it only moves it into the corner
[12:47] <arooni> i'm hearing recomiple kernal
[12:47] <Arwen> etc etc
[12:47] <ubuntu__> *fears recompiling kernel*
[12:47] <ggilbert> No support for GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap.
[12:47] <Arwen> ggilbert, fglrx?
[12:47] <ggilbert> yeah
[12:48] <arooni> any ideas?
[12:48] <Arwen> ggilbert, fglrx doesn't support that.
[12:49] <avis> where are the gnome font properties ?
[12:49] <ggilbert> That's what I said :)
[12:50] <Arwen> avis, under appearance now
[12:50] <Arwen> ggilbert, oh, I thought that was a question :-\
[12:50] <ggilbert> hehe
[12:51] <ggilbert> Still, there's a chance ATI will get their stuff together. Nvidia's drivers used to be horrid and then they fixed them
[12:51] <ubuntu__> ATI is going lightning fast too
[12:51] <ubuntu__> like a few months and a new release
[12:57] <ubuntu__> brb
[12:59] <Arwen> awesome, gpm rules
[01:06] <arooni> how do i mount a flash drive which is /dev/sbd and has only one parittion? (its an ext3 formatted flash drive)
[01:06] <Arwen> mount /dev/sbd <some empty directory> -t ext3
[01:06] <Arwen> mount /dev/sbd1 <some empty directory> -t ext3
[01:06] <Arwen> *


[08:25] <yottabit> can we make takeoff the default in kubuntu?
[08:25] <yottabit> pretty please
[10:30] <schnelle> guys does your plasma nm look like this in 4.8 rc2: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/21/RR/3irNejQ2/snapshot2.png ?
[10:39] <fabo> schnelle: yes
[10:40] <fabo> schnelle: I guess you talk about the visual regression on the buttons
[10:41] <schnelle> fabo: the worst is that lamarque is not aware of this. i contacted him last night and he told me that he is still on kde 4.7.4
[10:41] <schnelle> "when I upgrade to 4.8 I will try to fix this. I do not even use that version of Plasma NM regularly anymore :-/
[10:41] <schnelle> I just use the master branch version."
[10:41] <fabo> schnelle: i don't see the issue on debian, with the same nm, but with kde 4.7.4
[10:42] <schnelle> fabo: yes i had no problem with kde 4.7.4. and he is still on 4.7.4 and he uses master brach so I don't know who will fix this...
[10:43] <schnelle> fabo: should i open bugreport?
[10:43] <fabo> it will be nice to get it fixed if lamarque releases properly 0.9.1, on top of kde 4.8
[10:44] <fabo> schnelle: yes, makes senses
[10:44] <fabo> -q
[10:44] <fabo> oups -s :)
[11:45] <bambee> agateau: problem fixed in pgst, now you should get a correct video size :)
[11:46] <bambee> however, xv or gl rendering does not work in a qgraphicsview (it's technically not supported and I don't understand why...) so that's a software renderer :\
[19:46] <fabo> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~fboudra/+archive/qt/+packages
[19:51] <Riddell> lovely thanks
[19:51] <Riddell> did you port all the patches needed?
[19:51] <fabo> only a11y is missing, I'm still working on it atm
[19:52] <fabo> the diff between v4.8.0 and 4.8-a11y branch is ~210Mb
[19:53] <fabo> so I took a different approach, ported the code of current patch applied to 4.7.4 (done)
[19:53] <fabo> looking into 4.8-a11y for obvious changes (inprogress)
[19:54] <Riddell> ouch
[19:54] <Riddell> or just wait for advise from fregl?
[19:55] <fabo> that's why I'm keeping the current ported patch, I guess I can commit it in current state (applies and build)
[20:02] <fabo> yeah, I'm going to do that... commit the ported patch and wait for fregl about 4.8-a11y branch