[00:15] <Lupditerra> hello, anybody here?
[00:15] <bioterror> for a moment yes
[00:15] <head_victim> Lupditerra: how can we help you
[00:16] <Lupditerra> head_victim
[00:16] <Lupditerra> my Unity desktop interface just stoped working
[00:16] <Lupditerra> :/
[00:16] <bioterror> haha
[00:16] <head_victim> What version of Ubuntu?
[00:16] <Lupditerra> Maverick
[00:16] <Lupditerra> Netbook Remix
[00:17] <bioterror> head_victim, hope you have experience with unity, I have none
[00:17] <head_victim> bioterror: I was just about to suggest the same.
[00:17] <head_victim> Lupditerra: what sort of symptoms are you having?
[00:17] <Lupditerra> None :p
[00:17] <Lupditerra> It was working fine.
[00:17] <Lupditerra> then it just stoped working, no errors, no nothing
[00:17] <head_victim> So you can't boot into it, or you can't open windows in it or?
[00:17] <Lupditerra> I have it as my default environment
[00:18] <Lupditerra> it doesnt load
[00:18] <Lupditerra> I'm on the normal desktop now
[00:18] <head_victim> Did you have any updates before you rebooted the last time?
[00:18] <Lupditerra> plenty
[00:18] <Lupditerra> do you think it might be because of Compiz?
[00:18] <head_victim> Anything is possible :)
[00:18] <Lupditerra> lol
[00:19] <head_victim> I just wanted to get an idea so I can start looking around for a solution
[00:19] <Lupditerra> Some one suggested to delete it and reinstall it... haven't done that
[00:19] <Lupditerra> should I start there?
[00:21] <head_victim> As long as you're talking about one application not the whole system that would be a reasonable start.
[00:21] <Lupditerra> o.O
[00:21] <Cheri703> hey folks, I need to harness the group mind here, I'm standing in MicroCenter, trying to figure out if a printer can work in ubuntu
[00:22] <Lupditerra> wait I just try to run it from the terminal
[00:22] <Lupditerra> let me see what it says
[00:22] <Cheri703> I'm searching, but not finding anything concrete. I don't really want to buy it and get it home and have it not work :(
[00:22] <head_victim> Cheri703: model?
[00:22] <Cheri703> there's another option that SHOULD work in ubuntu, but I like the features on the other better
[00:22] <Cheri703> canon pixma mg5220
[00:22] <Lupditerra> any hp will work
[00:22] <Cheri703> I am anti hp
[00:23] <head_victim> Cheri703: apparently http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100301702.html has a driver that works
[00:23] <Cheri703> full support? I'm tethered with my phone, so it's slow loading
[00:23] <Lupditerra> damn, a lot of errors now :/
[00:24] <Cheri703> and woo! if so :)
[00:24] <head_victim> Lupditerra: can you pastebin them?
[00:24] <head_victim> Cheri703: why anti HP? I love my 4250 and 2610. Both networked, both just work.
[00:24] <Lupditerra> yeah
[00:24] <Lupditerra> let it finnish
[00:25] <head_victim> Lupditerra: sure :)
[00:25] <Cheri703> I hate the games they play with the ink expiration dates, and every hp I've had has had issues
[00:26] <Cheri703> head_victim: if that's an official canon driver, it should support all features, yes?
[00:26] <head_victim> Cheri703: link came from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1588333
[00:26] <Cheri703> ok, awesome, thanks :)
[00:27] <head_victim> Cheri703: no worries
[00:27] <Cheri703> can I note that I'm annoyed at the fact that I googled several times and that thread didn't come up :(
[00:27] <Lupditerra> ok, here it is http://pastebin.com/qLWm9Grv
[00:28] <head_victim> Hah that's what they said on the forum. It's possible I have an upper hand being in .au myself where th elink is (apparently the other canon sites only have .rpm so not sure why we are special with a .deb but as long as it works)
[00:28] <Cheri703> ah, nice. the canon usa didn't have ANY linux
[00:29] <Cheri703> europe had linux listed, but no drivers, usa didn't even have it as an option
[00:30] <head_victim> Cheri703: well it's not regularly we are class leading down here but nice to see we got one thing right (crosses fingers it actually works now)
[00:31] <Cheri703> :) yeah, I'm getting it from a place with awesome return policies, just in case ;)
[00:31] <Cheri703> headed to checkout now, I'll be back online in a bit (headed to a coffee shop after this) thanks head_victim !!!
[00:32] <CharlesIngalls> Hello, everyone. I'm not so sure how this IRC works, but I'd really like some help with some GRUB issues I'm having. Anyone?
[00:32] <head_victim> !ask | CharlesIngalls
[00:32] <ubot2> CharlesIngalls: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[00:32] <CharlesIngalls> Problem is I actually don't have any GRUB menu since I installed 10.10
[00:33] <head_victim> CharlesIngalls: does it still boot and it's just hidden or it just doesn't work?
[00:33] <head_victim> Lupditerra: googling madly now
[00:33] <Lupditerra> head_victim: thanks man, I hope you're luckier than I was :/
[00:33] <CharlesIngalls> It's a dual boot but there's no GRUB. It immediately starts in Ubuntu.
[00:34] <head_victim> Lupditerra: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1589023 is that similar to what you're experiencing?
[00:34] <head_victim> CharlesIngalls: ah ok
[00:35] <Lupditerra> head_victim: let me check
[00:35] <head_victim> CharlesIngalls: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager you might find it's just auto booting to ubuntu instead of giving you options
[00:36] <head_victim> I must admit since grub2 kicked off that gui start up manager has been great for me
[00:37] <asterismo> hi people
[00:37] <asterismo> i have a question
[00:37] <head_victim> asterismo: shoot
[00:38] <asterismo> i cant export a drawing that i made under XaraLX to SVG for editing with Inkscape
[00:38] <CharlesIngalls> I'll try and install startupmanager, then. Thanks a bunch for the tip, head_victim.
[00:38] <asterismo> is there anyway to save this drawing or exporting to something else?
[00:39] <asterismo> it took me like hours to make it
[00:39] <head_victim> asterismo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1352721
[00:39] <head_victim> Looks like you might want to save as EPS then open that in inkscape?
[00:39] <asterismo> thanks so much head_victim
[00:40] <head_victim> asterismo: I just hope it helps :)
[00:41] <Lupditerra> head_victim: this guy just told me that Unity is not ment to run in Linux, but Maverick Netbook Remix comes with it as a default
[00:41] <head_victim> Lupditerra: which guy? Unity has been in the netbook for some time and is going to be a part of the desktop shortly
[00:42] <Lupditerra> I know!
[00:42] <Lupditerra> o.O
[00:42] <head_victim> Sounds odd to me
[00:43] <head_victim> So did that link look like what you're experiencing?
[00:43] <Lupditerra> nop
[00:43] <Lupditerra> but I'm reading on to see if I need to unistall Compiz
[00:44] <head_victim> Lupditerra: apparently the current Unity does not use compiz from what I'm reading. They are moving towards it but not until Natty
[00:44] <Lupditerra> cause I think is something messing with GTK
[00:44] <Lupditerra> Uninstallin atm
[00:44] <head_victim> I'm sorry I'm not more precise but I've not ever used Unity to date. I would suggest removing/disabling compiz though to see if that works
[00:45] <head_victim> Heh beat me to it
[00:45] <Lupditerra> lol :p
[00:46] <Lupditerra> entry has no children
[00:46] <Lupditerra> o.O
[00:46] <head_victim> Neither do I :)
[00:47] <Lupditerra> I'll just reinstall the whole thing at lest see what happens o.O
[00:50] <firewall_03> sup
[01:24] <Chiquinho> hi someone knows bluetooth configuration
[01:26] <aveilleux> That wasn't a question...
[01:57] <asterismo> hi
[01:57] <asterismo> again
[01:57] <hajour> hi asterismo
[01:58] <asterismo> i couldn't do it
[01:58] <asterismo> export .xar vector draw of XaraLX in other readable format for inkscape
[01:59] <asterismo> does anyone know how to convert .xar files in .svg, .ai or something?
[01:59] <asterismo> i just can't believe i'll loose all the work i've done in this software
[02:01] <asterismo> any designer here?
[02:03] <asterismo> is there any designer channel where may i post this problem?
[02:05] <hajour> sorry for delay asterismo
[02:05] <asterismo> i'm so desperate
[02:05] <hajour> i go look for help for you brb
[02:06] <asterismo> this is the only post i found http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?31785-from-XaraLX-to-SVG...-a-round-about-way
[02:06] <asterismo> workaround, but i think this is not what i want
[02:06] <asterismo> because it prints the draw in PS format
[02:09] <hajour> i looking for the right person for you asterismo
[02:15] <duanedesign> hello asterismo
[02:16] <hajour> great asterismo  meet duanedesign
[02:16] <hajour> duanedesign, dos graphic design
[02:17] <hajour> he shall respons duanedesign  he already waited a time when i have see that he was here
[02:17] <duanedesign> asterismo: Xara LX is supposed to have some utility that will export to svg. However it does flatten, or remove the layers
[02:24] <asterismo> hi duanedesign, sorry, bathroom
[02:25] <asterismo> i made a drawing in XaraLX and now i want to save it or export it to SVG or some other readable format for inkscape
[02:25] <asterismo> but i export it but inkscape shows empty page
[02:25] <asterismo> the same for .ai and .eps
[02:25] <asterismo> XaraLX crash for .eps exporting
[02:26] <asterismo> .svg and .ai are empty files
[02:26] <asterismo> thanks hajour
[02:29] <duanedesign> asterismo: other then making sure all your layers are visible, I am not sure what it could be
[02:30] <hajour> your welcome asterismo
[02:42] <hajour> duanedesign, is there a place where he can ask else if it not succeed?
[02:43] <asterismo> i just don't know what the heck is wrong
[02:43] <asterismo> i have the drawing
[02:43] <asterismo> just 1 layer
[02:43] <asterismo> file > export > svg it asks 1.1 or 1.2 version
[02:43] <asterismo> nothing saved
[02:43] <hajour> asterismo, say the name in the line
[02:44] <asterismo> sorry, duanedesign
[02:44] <hajour> we are often switch true 3 or 5 channels
[02:44] <hajour> ore more
[02:44] <duanedesign> :\
[02:45] <duanedesign> the only place i can think is maybe the inkscape forum, or if they have an irc channel
[02:46] <Mohan_chml> asterismo, try #inkscape it has 75 peeps there
[02:48] <asterismo> nobody talks to me
[02:49] <asterismo> nevermind
[02:49] <Mohan_chml> aww
[02:52] <hajour> #inkscape is a design channel?
[02:52] <hajour> for ubuntu?
[02:52] <Mohan_chml> hajour, no
[02:53] <hajour> mm ok i was just wondering
[02:54] <Mohan_chml> asterismo, I think they will never answer :|
[02:54] <Mohan_chml> asterismo, look at http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2228
[02:55] <asterismo> don't know what the IRC is for anyway
[02:55] <asterismo> the IRC channel, people usually gets into channels to talk
[02:57] <hajour> maybe they are not there on the moment and let there chat open.for to look back later
[04:14] <MrAnthrope> yay I'm not banned.
[04:14] <Cheri703> head_victim: maybe you can help me some more :)
[04:15] <Cheri703> I'm trying to install this printer driver that you oh so helpfully directed me to, and I'm getting a "error package management system cannot be identified"
[04:17] <Cheri703> (or anyone actually)
[04:17] <MrAnthrope> I know absolutely nothing about this, but what kind of printer?
[04:18] <Cheri703> canon pixma mg5220
[04:18] <Cheri703> getting an error when I run the install script
[04:19] <MrAnthrope> have you read this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475336
[04:19] <gstarx90> what's the erro?
[04:19] <gstarx90> error, also
[04:19] <Cheri703> An error occurred. The package management system cannot be identified
[04:19] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:21] <gstarx90> hm
[04:21] <gstarx90> you'll need to edit something from the script
[04:25] <gstarx90> brb
[04:26] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:27] <gstarx90> from the script, add a # from every lineexcept C_system="deb"
[04:28] <Cheri703> ok
[04:28] <Cheri703> EVERY line?
[04:28] <Cheri703> or from the top down?
[04:31] <gstarx90> every line except C_system="deb"
[04:31] <gstarx90> it wouldn't matter what order :p
[04:31] <Cheri703> ok
[04:32] <MrAnthrope> Putting a # in front of a line makes the code ignore the line completely. It's the same as deleting the line without actually deleting it. A dangerous thing to do with code you don't understand :)
[04:33] <MrAnthrope> The code will read the line as a 'comment', and skip the entire line.
[04:33] <Cheri703> ok, found it
[04:34] <Cheri703> wasn't in the right part of it
[04:34] <Cheri703> rawr, did it again, will recheck
[04:34] <Cheri703> now I got "An error occurred. A necessary package could not be found in the proper location."
[04:35] <MrAnthrope> Well at least you have a different error. That's progress :)
[04:35] <Cheri703> I don't know where to look in the script to see where it's looking for the files
[04:40] <MrAnthrope> Wish I could help more. My HP just worked right when I plugged it in.
[04:40] <MrAnthrope> My scanner, on the other hand, is most definitely not supported and there is no way to make it work on Linux. So I had to throw it away.
[04:40] <Cheri703> np, I appreciate the input thus far!
[04:41] <Cheri703> my hp was dumb, it basically crapped out, so I got this one :)
[04:42] <MrAnthrope> Ah.
[04:46] <head_victim> Cheri703: works for me
[04:46] <Cheri703> :(
[04:47] <head_victim> I just downloaded the package, unpacked it and then went to the cli and just typed in /path/to/extracted/file/install.sh and it worked
[04:47] <Cheri703> :(
[04:47] <Cheri703> will try again
[04:48] <head_victim> Got up to "register the printer" but I don't have one so it wont wokr
[04:48] <head_victim> You are using the install script right?
[04:49] <Cheri703> yes, and just unzipped again and got the "necessary package could not be found"
[04:49] <Cheri703> error
[04:50] <Cheri703> :(
[04:53] <Cheri703> head_victim: what is the path that yours unzipped to?
[04:53] <MrAnthrope> How do I check my conky version?
[04:53] <head_victim> Cheri703: ok I downloaded it to my deskop, I opened it with fileroller and hit "extract" and left it as default
[04:54] <head_victim> This then put another folder on the desktop with the long name
[04:54] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, in synaptic
[04:54] <Cheri703> :/ that's what I did, except extracted to home folder, so /home/user/cniblahblah
[04:54] <head_victim> Inside that I just double clicked the install.sh
[04:54] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, or do you mean what you see on the desktop
[04:54] <head_victim> Hit "run in terminal"
[04:55] <Cheri703> terminal popped up and then disappeared :/
[04:55] <Cheri703> if I manually run from terminal, I get the error
[04:55] <MrAnthrope> Well I don't see anything on the desktop. And I can't find the .conky file in my home folder. But it's in synaptic. conky-all 1.8.0-1ubuntu1
[04:55] <head_victim> Cheri703: normal Ubuntu 10.04 here not sure if that makes a difference
[04:56] <Cheri703> well, I'm now back to the original error, can't identify package management system :(
[04:56] <Cheri703> same here head_victim
[04:56] <head_victim> Does it ask you for your password?
[04:56] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, it is in file move the .conkyrc folder to home it will be hidden or download one run conky in terminal to start it
[04:56] <Cheri703> nope
[04:57] <Cheri703> did it with sudo, got the little header part, then the same error
[04:57] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, very customizable
[04:57] <head_victim> Download again?
[04:57] <Cheri703> was just about to say that :)
[04:58] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, file/etc/conky
[04:58] <MrAnthrope> Nothing happens. http://pastebin.com/AhRRZfaL
[04:58] <MrAnthrope> ooooh. ok.
[04:59] <Cheri703> redownloaded, extracted to different location, same error >.<
[04:59] <Cheri703> going to restart and try again
[04:59] <Cheri703> back in a bit
[05:01] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, move the .conkyrc from file/etc/conky to home then run conky in terminal. here is waht my terminal looks like.http://pastebin.com/YJuL88M9
[05:01] <nit-wit> what
[05:01] <MrAnthrope> Hrm the only hidden folder in /etc is .java.
[05:01] <MrAnthrope> I have a conky folder but it's just got to .conf files in it.
[05:01] <MrAnthrope> s/to/two
[05:03] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, it is not hidden in etc it is a regular file called conky with .conkrc inside
[05:04] <MrAnthrope> Yeah my conky folder just has conky.conf and conky_no_x11.conf
[05:05] <MrAnthrope> No hidden files.
[05:05] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, the stock setup would probably not what you wanted anyway there area ton of customized conky downloads on the web just put one in home I will paste bin mine to start with if you like
[05:05] <MrAnthrope> I'd like that :)
[05:05] <nit-wit> hold on
[05:08] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, here is mine just put in a gedit name it  .conyrc it will show in the top right corner of the screen probably.  http://pastebin.com/cZxgcR7R
[05:09] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, put it home of course and run the command in the terminal, you can also make a autostartup for it
[05:09] <nit-wit> time fror cig brb
[05:12] <bodhizazen> 'lo starcraft , good to see you
[05:12] <bodhizazen> tronyx, how goes ?
[05:13] <Mohan_chml> Hola bodhizazen
[05:13] <bodhizazen> 'lo Mohan_chml
[05:13] <Cheri703> so the script still won't run, but I manually installed the packages...I have some functionality, but not as much as I'd expect from a manufacturer's driver :/ not sure if that's all there is, or if I'm missing something still
[05:13] <Mohan_chml> bodhizazen, edited the readme file?
[05:13] <bodhizazen> yes Mohan_chml
[05:13] <Mohan_chml> (:
[05:13] <MrAnthrope> Conky: invalid configuration file '/home/geo/.conkyrc'
[05:13] <bodhizazen> Mohan_chml, I changed my server over
[05:14] <bodhizazen> have you seen the new site ?
[05:14] <Mohan_chml> nope
[05:14] <head_victim> Cheri703: I was going to suggest double clicking the .debs next
[05:14] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/
[05:14] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, is it in a gedit?
[05:14] <Mohan_chml> The page looks awesome bodhizazen =]
[05:15] <Cheri703> it is only offering me a max resolution of 600dpi, when the thing is supposed to do MUCH MORE than that... :/ will be really frustrating if I'm crippled with it in ubuntu :( other than this, it's pretty darn awesome
[05:15] <bodhizazen> TY Mohan_chml
[05:15] <bodhizazen> Cheri703, what are you trying to configure ?
[05:15] <Cheri703> a canon printer
[05:15] <Cheri703> pixma mg5220
[05:15] <MrAnthrope> yup. There's more to the error I will pastebin it. http://pastebin.com/T6chHv9Z
[05:15] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, thats ah beautiful site
[05:16] <Cheri703> head_victim: maybe it likes yours because it's australian?
[05:16] <head_victim> Cheri703: haha possible I guess. We are a bit exclusive down here ;)
[05:16] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, is it in a gedit and do you know what gedit is
[05:16] <bodhizazen> thanks nit-wit , I re-wrote the css, matched the wordpress (blog) theme, took a bit of effort
[05:17] <head_victim> Cheri703: see if printing from a program will allow higher res, it might only like defaults up to 600
[05:17] <MrAnthrope> lol yes it's in gedit.
[05:17] <MrAnthrope> does it need to be named .txt?
[05:17] <nit-wit> bodhizazen, nice minimalist theme Buddha
[05:17] <Cheri703> I printed from glabels, and it didn't even have a quality option :(
[05:18] <Mohan_chml> bodhizazen, you aligned it to the center? coz I can see some space at the bottom. use some of your drawings to fill it =]
[05:19] <head_victim> Cheri703: sorry I'm out of ideas :/
[05:19] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, trying to figure it out
[05:20] <Cheri703> :( ok, I appreciate your help though!
[05:20] <head_victim> Cheri703: I have to head off to work again but maybe if you add some comments to that forum post if it's not too old and see if anyone else has had better luck
[05:20] <Cheri703> I may do that, thanks :)
[05:20] <MrAnthrope> nit-wit: typo :)
[05:21] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, so from paste bin it brings all the line numbers and makes it double spaced
[05:21] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, should be no space numbers and singlr spaced, double space may be okay not sure
[05:21] <nit-wit> single
[05:21] <MrAnthrope> No error anymore. Still not opening a window though.
[05:22] <MrAnthrope> http://pastebin.com/38dy1k2V
[05:24] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, try this cleaner scripts you have to find what works and do some intuitive editing just keep a backup befor you edit. Tons of conky scripts on line a a thread with thosands and scrips on the Ubuntu Forums.
[05:24] <geekosopher> bodhizazen: on the first page of your website, in 'nirvana' section, you start with <ul> tag but close it with </ol> tag... I am not a html-guru hence confused
[05:24] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, http://conky.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
[05:24] <MrAnthrope> Alright, thanks :)
[05:25] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, it takes a little learning curve not much though hey i figured it out anyone can.;)
[05:26] <MrAnthrope> lol
[05:30] <MrAnthrope> Hmm this says something about nautilus requiring conky to be in its own window.
[05:31] <bodhizazen> geekosopher, thanks, fixed that
[05:31] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, open the menu-admin-system monitor and look for any other conky running
[05:32] <geekosopher> bodhizazen: np :)
[05:32] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, if any are kill them
[05:32] <bodhizazen> Mohan_chml, space where exactly ?
[05:32] <MrAnthrope> Oh it's working! yay!
[05:33] <Mohan_chml> bodhizazen, scroll down and you can see some space at the bottom =]
[05:33] <Mohan_chml> idk whether its usual or not. but felt that there is some space
[05:34] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, tipeee
[05:34] <nit-wit> yipeee
[05:34] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, conky used to mess with the desktop but works great now with little use of the system generally
[05:34] <MrAnthrope> Until I click on the desktop then it goes away and I have to kill it.
[05:35] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, what desktop ubuntu
[05:36] <MrAnthrope> mmmm gnome?
[05:37] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, should work in just gnome what is the actual install, did you remove or change the desktop
[05:37] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, what version as well what distro?
[05:38] <hajour> hai nit-wit
[05:38] <nit-wit> hajour, hows it going
[05:38] <hajour> can i talk to you so in offtopic?
[05:38] <nit-wit> hajour, sure
[05:38] <hajour> ok :) i waith there
[05:39] <MrAnthrope> Just Ubuntu 10.04
[05:39] <MrAnthrope> It's a fairly new install.
[05:39] <nit-wit> hajour, I have a dialogue window open
[05:40] <hajour> a ok thanks
[05:41] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, it is Ubuntu then conky should work, maybe it just needs to be purged and reinstalled. If there was no .conkrc to begin with that is starnge
[05:42] <MrAnthrope> Yeah I'm using different scripts and it's the same window for every script. So it's not reading the scripts I'm putting in there.
[05:45] <nit-wit> MrAnthrope, hit crtl-h for the hidden and look for any thing conky in home. The only thing there should be what you put there.
[05:45] <MrAnthrope> Yup.
[05:48] <MrAnthrope> All well. I'll figure it out later. It's semi-working now.
[05:48] <MrAnthrope> thanks for all the help :)
[05:49] <bodhizazen> Mohan_chml, you mean, if you scroll the content ?
[05:49] <bodhizazen> space below content ?
[05:57] <bodhizazen> back
[05:57] <Mohan_chml> bodhizazen, I thought you were off and so I sent you a memo :P
[05:57] <bodhizazen> broke X there for a min =)
[05:57] <Mohan_chml> I think you broke it :P
[05:58] <bodhizazen> thank you for the screen shot
[05:58] <Mohan_chml> (:
[06:33] <bubbalooo> hajour,  I lost my connection
[06:35] <bubbalooo> hajour, back again with the correct name
[06:35] <nit-wit> correct now I think
[06:36] <hajour> uch to late
[06:46] <Cheri703> head_victim: I did end up posting to that thread about the mg5200 series, but I downloaded turboprint and used that driver, MUCH MUCH more functionality :)
[06:51] <head_victim> Cheri703: just glad it works :)\
[06:51] <Cheri703> me too! and I installed the windows version in my vm, so I have ALL KINDS of options available. I appreciate your help!
[06:52] <head_victim> Cheri703: it's nice to hear when things work out.
[06:53] <Cheri703> :)
[06:53] <Cheri703> I'm off to bed, have a good night/day/whatever it is where you are. :)
[08:16] <shahan> Mohan_chml, hi
[08:16] <shahan> :)
[08:17] <Mohan_chml> Hello shahan
[08:17] <shahan> Mohan_chml, how r u  Mohan_chml
[08:17] <Mohan_chml> he he. use my name one in a line :P -team please =]
[08:19] <bodhizazen> night all =)
[08:19] <Mohan_chml> Night Boss
[09:06] <harmony1001> How can I obtain a list of users or computers connected to my ubuntu samba shares?
[09:07] <bioterror> smbstatus
[09:16] <raubvogel> If you do an upgrade to a package that some services being run depend on, will the upgrade also restart those services?
[09:37] <jerk> can anyone please tell me how to get two audio outputs (headphone and speakers) both at the same time?
[11:01] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:43] <duanedesign> hello Silver_Fox_
[11:43] <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign .
[11:51] <zeroseven0183> What's up, people?
[11:56] <duanedesign> hello zeroseven0183
[11:57] <Silver_Fox_> Hello zeroseven0183
[11:58] <Silver_Fox_> How is duanedesign  ?
[12:01] <zeroseven0183> Silver_Fox_, someone is looking for you in the Community Cafe http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10231643&postcount=3370
[12:01] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[12:04] <Silver_Fox_> *sigh ninjad
[12:07] <zeroseven0183> Ooopppsss. kernel update. Gotta restart
[12:09] <zeroseven0183> Hmmm... new kernel version did not appear in GRUB. Anybody encountered that?
[12:09]  * Mohan_chml is still in Lucid
[12:10] <Mohan_chml> and no updates for 3 days recently
[12:10] <Mohan_chml> zeroseven0183, tries os-prober and update-grub?
[12:10] <Mohan_chml> tried*
[12:12] <zeroseven0183> I'm sure Update Manager did the update-grub for me.
[12:13] <Mohan_chml> try os-prober and then update-grub again. Just give a try =]
[12:14] <zeroseven0183> Still didn't see the new version
[12:14] <zeroseven0183> It's suppose to scroll during the update-grub
[12:14] <zeroseven0183> I mean, it's suppose to appear in the terminal during the update-grub
[12:16] <zeroseven0183> 2.6.35-24 is _not_ the latest, right?
[12:16] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: i am doing good.
[14:15] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[14:15] <kosaidpo> anyone kno how ican lanch up nitrogen ?? i tried nitrogen --restore but it doesnt work
[14:20] <zeroseven0183> People, does anyone here having version conflicts when you type lsb_release -a and open the About Ubuntu window in System menu?
[14:20] <zeroseven0183> I'm using 10.10 but my About Ubuntu window tells that it's already 11.04 Natty.
[14:21] <zeroseven0183> I filed a bug report in case someone encounters this. Just hit the "This bug affects you" link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/690654 Thanks
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690654 in yelp (Ubuntu) "About Ubuntu Window Shows Different Version (11.04) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:44] <kosaidpo> anyone using nitrogen guys ??
[15:56] <raubvogel> If you do an upgrade to a package that some services being run depend on, will the upgrade also restart those services?
[16:09] <IdleOne> raubvogel: usually yes
[16:10] <raubvogel> IdleOne, First example I can think of is openssl as the package being upgraded. Would mail (if it does tls)
[16:10] <raubvogel> and even openssh be restarted? If not, how would they start using the  new ssl libraries?
[16:11] <IdleOne> raubvogel: if they don't restart then the continue using the existing libs and on reboot or manual restart of the service they will use the new lib
[16:11] <raubvogel> IdleOne, but there is no guarantee they will be restarted once openssl is upgraded.
[16:12] <IdleOne> raubvogel: well, things can go wrong and the upgrade can break but chances are slim. I assume the new libs are tested to make sure they work
[16:15] <IdleOne> raubvogel: also have to consider the version of Ubuntu. IF your running 10.04 LTS I would not expect much breakage.
[16:16] <IdleOne> honestly, I rarely have any issues with any version of Ubuntu
[16:19] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[16:19] <kristian-aalborg> in all honesty, which is best for modest hardware: cli ubuntu or cli debian?
[16:22] <IdleOne> either
[16:23] <kristian-aalborg> they seem rather similar... one thing I'm a bit unsatisfied with in Ubuntu is the availability of a boot log, or rather the lack thereof
[16:24] <kristian-aalborg> would anybody know if that's better in debian?
[16:34] <raubvogel> IdleOne, is there an upgrade log I can check and see which services (that were dependent on the upgrade) were restarted? I am using 10.04 LTS BTW
[16:35] <IdleOne> /var/log/apt/history.log should be what you want
[16:37] <IdleOne> kristian-aalborg: /var/log/boot.log
[16:38] <kristian-aalborg> IdleOne: I know that one but can't get it to work properly - and yes, I turned it on ;)
[16:38] <IdleOne> kristian-aalborg: then you already know more then I do, turn it on?
[16:38] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:42] <kristian-aalborg> okay, so I borked my /home - what files should I get to make the reinstall easier? I already got a list of installed packages
[16:44] <shahan> I installed the KDE on my GNOME maverick
[16:45] <shahan> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/config-desktop/C/other-desktops.html#other-desktop-kde
[16:45] <shahan> this is the link how I did it
[16:45] <shahan> but I want to know the process how to delete it
[16:48] <philinux> shahan: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[16:49] <IdleOne> kristian-aalborg: just use the Live CD and reinstall, manually select your partitions and don't format /home (if you want to keep it)
[16:50] <kristian-aalborg> IdleOne: too late, I borked it beyond repair when I tried to reinstall
[16:50] <IdleOne> kristian-aalborg: is this a dual boot?
[16:50] <kristian-aalborg> nope
[16:50] <IdleOne> if not, select use entire disk and let the installer do its thing :)
[16:51] <shahan> philinux, tnxn
[16:51] <shahan> philinux, its downloading something...
[16:51] <shahan> may take 15 mins
[16:51] <IdleOne> or again you can select select the partitions manually. I do, 10GB for / and the rest for /home
[16:52] <IdleOne> 1.5x amount of ram for /swap
[16:54] <philinux> Good guide for swap. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[16:55] <philinux> shahan: If you copied and pasted the whole thing in it will take a while as it's removing a lot of stuff
[17:05] <raubvogel> IdleOne, /var/log/apt/history.log shows is which packages were installed/removed/upgraded. The list of packages affected by the upgraded packages is not there though
[17:06] <IdleOne> raubvogel: I don't know if there is such a list
[17:12] <kristian-aalborg> IdleOne: I got xorg.conf and a list of what I've installed... what else can I save?
[17:13] <IdleOne> your media if any
[17:13] <shahan> philinux, downloaded about 32 MB files
[17:13] <IdleOne> !clone
[17:13] <ubot2> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[17:13] <shahan> philinux,  now its removing a lot of files
[17:15] <shahan> o my god
[17:15] <shahan> its removing VLC, SKYPE
[17:15] <pedro3005> ctrl + c
[17:15] <shahan> I dont know why?\
[17:16] <shahan> pedro3005, it replies nothing
[17:25] <IdleOne> shahan: VLC is not part of the default kubuntu install
[17:25] <IdleOne> you can reinstall it after
[17:26] <shahan> IdleOne, I have to download about 12.1 MB archives
[17:26] <shahan> IdleOne, for VLC
[17:27] <IdleOne> ok?
[17:28] <shahan> IdleOne, however, tnx for your help
[17:28] <shahan> IdleOne, now it seems light
[17:28] <shahan> :)
[17:29] <IdleOne> kubuntu comes with amarok which is a nice media player
[17:44] <zkriesse> ohai IdleOne ! Long time no see
[17:44] <IdleOne> hey zkriesse
[17:44] <zkriesse> How goes it?
[17:45] <IdleOne> good thanks and you?
[17:46] <zkriesse> fine
[17:46] <zkriesse> Finals are over
[17:46] <IdleOne> That is good, now you get to relax for the holidays :)
[17:46] <zkriesse> you
[17:47] <zkriesse> "yup
[18:12] <Silver_Fox_> Goodbye.
[18:20] <kendrickLeiter> I am using firefox with Windows Media Player Plug-in 10 (Totem Compatible) but am having trouble viewing movie clips online.  They will usually show, but may not playback, and if I scroll to a different time, audio plays but not video
[18:22] <UndiFineD> kendrickLeiter, browser plugins may differ from gui plugins
[18:44] <holstein> so, i have some questions about multibooting and GRUB
[18:44] <holstein> ive had windows installed before
[18:44] <holstein> and put buntu besied it
[18:44] <holstein> beside*
[18:44] <holstein> so i get that
[18:44] <holstein> BUT
[18:44] <holstein> im interested in having some test istallations going
[18:45] <holstein> maverick natty and lucid
[18:45] <holstein> side by side
[18:45] <holstein> and i havent really done that before
[18:45] <holstein> im wondering what happens when kernels get updated?
[18:45] <nit-wit> holstein, do you have a extended partition around your whole linux install
[18:45] <holstein> nit-wit: i can
[18:45] <holstein> i can start from scratch really
[18:46] <holstein> i just kinda need all of them running natively
[18:46] <holstein> and this is the best box for the job i think
[18:46] <tronyx> o.o holstein fancy seeing you here!
[18:46] <holstein> tronyx: HEY
[18:46] <holstein> long time no talk
[18:46] <tronyx> how goes sir?
[18:46] <holstein> hows it going?
[18:46] <tronyx> not bad.  moved back to chicago
[18:47] <holstein> some snow on the ground here
[18:47] <nit-wit> holstein, there are a couple of factors any single HD can have 4 primaries or 3 primary patitions and one exteneded which can have as many as you can fit it it
[18:47] <holstein> i bet you got plenty up there :)
[18:47] <tronyx> lol yea, and it's VERY cold
[18:47] <tronyx> when are you playing in chicago holstein
[18:47]  * holstein hasnt been up that way in years
[18:47] <tronyx> ah that's a shame
[18:47] <holstein> i could go up there and play with a guitar player that moved up there from here
[18:47] <holstein> its just a bit far to go
[18:48] <holstein> but i totally should
[18:48] <nit-wit> holstein, what genre
[18:48] <holstein> tronyx: you move right back where you were?
[18:48] <holstein> nit-wit: jazz mostly
[18:48] <holstein> nit-wit: you play?
[18:48] <tronyx> yea, pretty much holstein
[18:48] <nit-wit> holstein, former Jazzpro myself multi-instrumentalist
[18:48] <tronyx> much happier to be back.  NC is a solid state and has some cool areas, but charlotte isn't one of them
[18:48] <holstein> tronyx: i was just wondering if you had to get set up somewhere new
[18:49] <holstein> nah, im not a huge fan of charlotte
[18:49] <holstein> good folks over there though
[18:49] <tronyx> it's boring as hell
[18:49] <holstein> can be ;)
[18:49] <holstein> nit-wit: cool
[18:49] <holstein> how former?
[18:50] <nit-wit> holstein, its been a few yraes since i just practiced a bit longer for a actual group last one was full improv, multimedia way out, sun rah meets Ornette Coleman like
[18:51] <holstein> nice
[18:51] <holstein> i got to open for the sun ra band
[18:51] <holstein> the ghost band
[18:51] <holstein> crazy cats ;)
[18:51] <nit-wit> holstein,  a amazing group of players in that group, thats cool sun rah was a enigma
[18:52] <nit-wit> brb
[18:52] <TJ__> How do i get Amarok to play mp3's on ubuntu 10.10?
[18:52] <holstein> TJ__: do you have a codec?
[18:52] <holstein> for mp3 playback?
[18:53] <holstein> i guess what im asking is, is it just amarok that will not play mp3's?
[18:54] <TJ__> I only have amarok and im pretty sure i dont have an mp3 codec. which package should i download?
[18:54] <holstein> you could open whatever you use to download packages
[18:54] <holstein> and search for mp3
[18:55] <holstein> i usually just install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:55] <holstein> first thing
[18:55] <holstein> but thats more that just mp3 codec
[18:55] <holstein> let me look for the fluendo package name...
[18:56] <TJ__> I know i already have the ubuntu ristricted extras package downloaded
[18:56] <holstein> hmmm
[18:56] <holstein> TJ__: would you mind installing VLC ?
[18:56] <holstein> and trying that?
[18:56] <holstein> just to rule out if its the player or the codec?
[18:56] <holstein> sudo apt-get install vlc
[18:57] <TJ__> haha i already have that too. im downloading rythmbox again right now to see if that will play mp3's
[18:57] <holstein> TJ__: open a terminal
[18:57] <holstein> and run
[18:57] <holstein> clvc /path/to/some.mp3
[18:58] <geekosopher> holstein: is gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner what you are looking for?
[18:58] <holstein> geekosopher: seems like it
[18:58] <holstein> is that in maverick?
[18:58] <holstein> gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[18:58] <geekosopher> yes
[18:58] <holstein> is what i found in lucid
[18:59] <geekosopher> 'apt-cache search codec | grep mp3
[18:59] <holstein> geekosopher: an mp3 codec is still in that meta-package though right?
[18:59] <geekosopher> gives only this
[18:59] <geekosopher> looking
[18:59] <holstein> the ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[19:00] <TJ__> rythmbox plays mp3's just fine
[19:00] <holstein> TJ__: AH
[19:00] <geekosopher> holstein: as you said, its lot more than mp3
[19:00] <TJ__> I unstalled everything amarok earlier and reinstalled it. same problem
[19:00] <geekosopher> 0_0
[19:01] <TJ__> ya idk..
[19:01] <holstein> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu
[19:01] <TJ__> maybe a compatability issue with maverick?
[19:01] <holstein> maybe??
[19:02] <TJ__> ill check it out
[19:02] <holstein> maybe you need libxine1-ffmpeg
[19:02] <holstein> thats an OLD page though i think
[19:02] <geekosopher> TJ__: i am using amarok on kubuntu maverick and mp3s are playing just fine
[19:03] <geekosopher> but I have started to like mpg123
[19:04] <TJ__> ya that page hasnt been updated since nov. 09 but ill try it
[19:07] <TJ__> if ibxine doesnt work i might just have to try mpg123
[19:08] <TJ__> sweet the codec worked amarok plays mp3's without a problem now
[19:09] <TJ__> thanks everyone!
[19:09] <holstein> :)
[19:10] <holstein> so what im not clear on is, say i have lucid installed
[19:10] <geekosopher> TJ__: you mean the libxine package?
[19:10] <holstein> and i install maverick beside it
[19:10] <holstein> THEN grub is istalled again
[19:10] <holstein> re-installed
[19:10] <holstein> what happens when im in lucid
[19:10] <holstein> and i get a kernel update
[19:10] <holstein> OR want to install a different kernel?
[19:10] <holstein> kernel testing is part of this process as well for me
[19:11] <geekosopher> holstein: after updating/installing in lucid, go to maverick and do 'update-grub'
[19:11] <holstein> geekosopher: im assuming TJ meant that package
[19:11] <holstein> geekosopher: SO, i just go the the OS that installed grub
[19:11] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[19:11] <holstein> and bob is my uncle?
[19:11] <holstein> pretty much?
[19:11] <geekosopher> pretty much
[19:12] <holstein> i can handle that...
[19:12] <geekosopher> that, or don't install grub when installing maverick
[19:12] <holstein> AH
[19:12] <geekosopher> and do the other way round when there is kernel update in maverick
[19:12] <holstein> then i update grub in lucid
[19:12] <holstein> and it'll find it
[19:12] <holstein> totally makes sense now
[19:13] <holstein> i couldnt get my mind around it for some reason
[19:13] <geekosopher> any version later than karmic will find
[19:13] <holstein> yeah, something with grub2?
[19:13] <geekosopher> yes
[19:13] <holstein> not the older one...
[19:13] <geekosopher> no
[19:13] <holstein> whatever grub was pre karmic
[19:13] <holstein> grub1
[19:14] <holstein> grub 'legacy'
[19:14] <geekosopher> grub-legacy
[19:14] <geekosopher> yes
[19:14] <geekosopher> :)
[19:14] <holstein> thanks :)
[19:14] <geekosopher> always welcome
[19:20] <beachbuddah> so it looks as though I've broken something
[19:20] <beachbuddah> I have a euro-style do not enter sign on my systray
[19:20] <beachbuddah> I can't update
[19:20] <nit-wit> theres's  no place like gnome there's no place like gnome
[19:21] <holstein> beachbuddah: maybe open a terminal
[19:21] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, yoh
[19:21] <holstein> and try running sudo apt-get update
[19:21] <hobgoblin> gnome's are just myths like goblins nit-wit
[19:21] <holstein> see what error you get
[19:21] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, the gnomes are safe as long as they stay on the lawn
[19:22] <beachbuddah> E: Malformed line 60 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[19:22] <beachbuddah> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[19:22] <holstein> beachbuddah: did you add a PPA?
[19:22] <holstein> maybe look over your sources
[19:22] <beachbuddah> I did
[19:22] <holstein> and see if everything looks proper
[19:22] <beachbuddah> I have since removed but the error continues
[19:22] <holstein> hmmm
[19:22] <beachbuddah> hmm indeed
[19:23] <beachbuddah> zackly how I feel
[19:23] <holstein> i dont think this is too bad though
[19:23] <geekosopher> beachbuddah: can you paste your sources.list file?
[19:23] <beachbuddah> cli command geekosopher?
[19:23] <geekosopher> no, the contents of /etc/sources.list
[19:24] <beachbuddah> right - how do
[19:24] <geekosopher> /etc/apt/sources.list that is
[19:24] <beachbuddah> how do I go about getting that?
[19:24] <hobgoblin> cat /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it to a psatebin
[19:24] <beachbuddah> gotcha
[19:25] <hobgoblin> unless you have pastebinit installed inwhich case cat /etc/apt/sources.list |pastebinit
[19:25] <hobgoblin> and give us the url
[19:25] <beachbuddah> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544110/
[19:25] <hobgoblin> holstein: just was looking at the logs - did TJ_ get amarok working with libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[19:26] <holstein> hobgoblin: thats what was implied
[19:26] <hobgoblin> cool
[19:26] <holstein> yeah, go figure
[19:26] <geekosopher> beachbuddah: guess its the libreoffice repo
[19:27] <holstein> maybe its included in the kubuntu-restricted-extras meta-package
[19:27] <beachbuddah> <-----sheepish - yeh
[19:27] <beachbuddah> I just HAD to be the first buddah on the block with his own
[19:28] <geekosopher> ok, try this
[19:28] <geekosopher> from the terminal do 'sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list'
[19:28] <hobgoblin> gksudo
[19:28] <geekosopher> oh yes :)
[19:29] <hobgoblin> or sudo nano ;)
[19:29] <hobgoblin> never vi ...
[19:29] <geekosopher> hobgoblin: personally I prefer vim
[19:29] <holstein> hehe
[19:29] <beachbuddah> ok?
[19:29] <hobgoblin> geekosopher: personally I'd prefer torture ;)
[19:30] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: sorry :)
[19:30] <holstein> why would you want gksudo gedit instead of sudo gedit?
[19:30] <beachbuddah> np :)\
[19:30] <sebikul> !gksu
[19:30] <ubot2> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[19:30] <hobgoblin> holstein: it could casuse some issues - and I think about 3 years ago it actually did for me
[19:30] <holstein> AH
[19:30] <holstein> ive never had any problems
[19:30] <geekosopher> beachbuddah: after opening the file, add a '#' in front of the line that mentions 'deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/gericom/libreoffice/
[19:31] <holstein> BUT i'll read that
[19:31] <beachbuddah> k
[19:31] <geekosopher> beachbuddah: save and close the file
[19:31] <geekosopher> and try updating again
[19:31] <hobgoblin> holstein: I am fairly sure that even though I was new to the
[19:31] <hobgoblin> whoops
[19:32] <hobgoblin> holstein: I am fairly sure that even though I was new to linux it was that caused me a problem I could not get out of at the time - so it was the third reinstall in a week ... so I use it :)
[19:32] <holstein> hobgoblin: ;)
[19:33] <hobgoblin> actually I use sudo nano ...
[19:37] <beachbuddah> geekosopher: thank you and now I have a new question
[19:37] <geekosopher> always welcome beachbuddah
[19:38] <hobgoblin> that let's the rest of us off the hook then :)
[19:38] <beachbuddah> The update manager is working and it wants to install the latest and greatest in Linux kernels (lol @ hobgoblin)
[19:38] <beachbuddah> last time I did that everything went haywire and I ended up reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch
[19:39] <hobgoblin> don't do it then ;)
[19:39] <beachbuddah> ahhh
[19:39] <beachbuddah> each time it wants to update?
[19:40] <holstein> i always have a couple kernels going
[19:40] <holstein> -realtime or whatever
[19:40] <holstein> SO i usually have grub showing
[19:40] <holstein> i think that can help get into an oler kernel if something goes wrong
[19:40] <beachbuddah> I thought that was what the cool kids did, but I guess I'm not one of them anymore :(
[19:41] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: was it you that was looking at locvking the kernel version a while back with bodhi's help?
[19:41] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: I would not upgrade anything at all if it caused me issues
[19:41] <beachbuddah> yes - it;s been since then to reinstall, reconfigure and now recreate a problem
[19:42] <beachbuddah> hobgoblin:  I'd rather not so is therer a way to sort of automate the 'no kernel upgrade' selection in the update manager?
[19:42] <hobgoblin> so lock it again like it was - though it might well be a different version now so would not cause whatever it was last time
[19:43] <beachbuddah> :/
[19:43] <beachbuddah> how often are the here Linux kernels updated anyway (very recent M$ user here)?
[19:44] <hobgoblin> can't remember off the top of my head and my net is v e r y s l o w so I'm not going to look it up I'm afraid
[19:44] <beachbuddah> okey dokey
[19:44] <hobgoblin> once or twice I've updated kernels I think in maverick
[19:45] <geekosopher> beachbuddah: I don't think there is a fixed schedule to kernel updates
[19:45] <beachbuddah> so its not like patch tuesday or anything
[19:45] <hobgoblin> nope
[19:45] <hobgoblin> hi Cheri703
[19:46] <Cheri703> hi
[19:46] <holstein> i used to answer the grub config file question incorretly
[19:46] <geekosopher> time for me to dream... good night all :)
[19:46] <holstein> i think its something like 'keep your locally installed verion'
[19:47] <holstein> i think thats what used to bork my system when i udpated kernels
[19:47] <holstein> version*
[19:48] <beachbuddah> I think it's this current update that messed me all up...I'll stick in hell with the devil I know
[19:49] <holstein> yeah
[19:49] <holstein> unless theres somthing you need in the new one, i wouldnt sweat it
[19:50] <beachbuddah> lol - I'm too new to know what I need
[19:51] <holstein> i used to set up vitual box installs
[19:51] <holstein> and break them
[19:51] <holstein> because you can save the state
[19:52] <holstein> if your bored and want to try messing with kernel updates in a test environment ;)
[19:52] <beachbuddah> I may explore that yet
[19:58] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[19:58] <kristian-aalborg> I utterly borked a CF card, it seems :/
[19:58] <kristian-aalborg> I can see it on ubuntu 9.4 but nowhere else
[19:59] <kristian-aalborg> the 9.4 is cli only, I should mention
[20:00] <holstein> hmmm
[20:00] <holstein> if you can see it, and mount it...
[20:01] <holstein> you see it when you run
[20:01] <holstein> fdisk -l
[20:10] <kristian-aalborg> hi again, holstein
[20:10] <kristian-aalborg> er du fra Slesvig?
[20:10] <kristian-aalborg> one moment and I'll be where I can see it
[20:11] <holstein> no, im in US
[20:11] <holstein> is that what that was?
[20:11] <kristian-aalborg> I put an iso on the card, but forgot to format it first
[20:12] <kristian-aalborg> it was danish for are you from Slesvig... Schlesvig-Holstein is a part of Germany where many people speak some danish because it is close to the border
[20:13] <holstein> thats what i was thinking :)
[20:13] <holstein> nah, holstein is my last name
[20:13] <holstein> SO someone in my family was from there i suppose
[20:13] <kristian-aalborg> probably - you should see it if you get the chance, it is very nice
[20:13] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: if its not showing up
[20:13] <holstein> and you dont have anything important on it
[20:13] <holstein> maybe just try wiping it again
[20:13] <holstein> in gparted
[20:14] <kristian-aalborg> can't run gparted
[20:14] <holstein> and re-formatting
[20:14] <holstein> well, however you partition
[20:14] <kristian-aalborg> it shows up in fdisk -l
[20:14] <holstein> AH
[20:14] <holstein> can you mount it?
[20:15] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[20:15] <holstein> hmm so whats the issue?
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/Qjafsyn3
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> here's fdisk -l
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> it seems to be messed up... I can't read it from my desktop anymore
[20:16] <kristian-aalborg> it's kind of essential for me to do that :/
[20:17] <holstein> right
[20:18] <holstein> have you tried any other box?
[20:18] <holstein> or card in your desktop?
[20:18] <holstein> what OS is on your desktop?
[20:19] <kristian-aalborg> mint 9 gnome
[20:19] <holstein> put it in there
[20:19] <holstein> and run fdisk -l
[20:19] <kristian-aalborg> I tried a bit of this and a bit of that ;)... but only 9.4 sees it
[20:19] <holstein> well, more acurately, only mint 9 gnome *doesnt* see it
[20:20] <holstein> if those are the only 2 test cases
[20:20] <kristian-aalborg> nope... pclinuxOS and DSL fails too
[20:20] <kristian-aalborg> and Ubuntu 10.10 livecd would not even start, ahem ;)
[20:21] <holstein> well, thats another issue
[20:21] <holstein> and supports the hardware problem im about to propose
[20:21] <holstein> BUT
[20:22] <holstein> i would re-format it i suppose
[20:22] <holstein> try a few more times to get a live CD to boot on something
[20:22] <holstein> and go from there
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> did you see the output?
[20:23] <holstein> yeah
[20:23] <holstein> /dev/sdb
[20:23] <holstein> right
[20:23] <kristian-aalborg> does it look ok?
[20:23] <holstein> no
[20:24] <holstein> doesnt look like it has any partitions
[20:24] <holstein> you can partition it in gparted on the mint box
[20:24] <kristian-aalborg> I formatted it with mkfs.vfat -I
[20:24] <holstein> right
[20:24] <kristian-aalborg> yes, but mint won't even see it
[20:24] <holstein> im not too hip on the command line lingo for formatting
[20:25] <holstein> i still use gparted mostly for that
[20:25] <kristian-aalborg> it's one of the few things where I'm really helpless in CLI
[20:25] <holstein> you dont see it in fdisk?
[20:25] <kristian-aalborg> no - but dmesg | tail gives something
[20:28] <holstein> those things go bad too
[20:28] <holstein> cards
[20:29] <kristian-aalborg> whoo!
[20:29] <kristian-aalborg> I got some kind of hole through
[20:36] <kristian-aalborg> I made a partition on it with parted... and now the card reader lights up on the desktop when it's in... still not visible in fdisk or anywhere else
[20:36] <kristian-aalborg> I'll give it a reboot, I saw somewhere that that could be a solution
[20:36] <holstein> if its mounting
[20:36] <holstein> and reading and writing
[20:36] <holstein> sounds like a win
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> it's not
[20:37] <holstein> :/
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> well, it is on the laptop I'd say... but not on the desktop
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> I'd love to be able to put iso's on it, then boot it
[20:38] <nit-wit> holstein: so whats your axe
[20:39] <holstein> nit-wit: i play bass
[20:39] <holstein> well, i play other things, but thats whay i get paid to play
[20:39] <nit-wit> holstein: do you know ben wolfe
[20:39] <holstein> nah
[20:40] <holstein> i know a sax player up there though who works with him
[20:40] <nit-wit> holstein: played with wynton marsalis
[20:40] <holstein> i met the other guy...
[20:40] <nit-wit> holstein: I play fret-less bass mainly a reed player, charnet moffet
[20:41] <holstein> and the newer guy
[20:41] <holstein> carlos something?
[20:41] <holstein> plays in the big band still AFAIK
[20:41] <holstein> i totally forget the other guys name
[20:41] <nit-wit> holstein: always a nwew guy but both of those guys are great player ben teaches a Julliiard
[20:41] <holstein> did a lot with eric reed
[20:42] <nit-wit> holstein: cool
[20:42] <holstein> maybe thats where my friend teaches
[20:42] <holstein> hes on faculty somewhere with him
[20:42] <nit-wit> holstein: hard for even some of the best in the world to make a steady living
[20:43] <holstein> http://joelulloff.com/
[20:43] <holstein> OH
[20:44] <holstein> its rodney whitaker that hes on facutly with
[20:44] <holstein> i get him and ben mixed up ;)
[20:45] <holstein> anyways... fretless bass :)
[20:45] <holstein> cool
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> hi again
[20:45] <holstein> you still go out to the jams?
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> not really ;)
[20:45] <nit-wit> holstein: rodney played with terrance so wynton makes sense
[20:45] <holstein> they were both on some albums too
[20:46] <holstein> rodney and ben
[20:46] <kristian-aalborg> is nit-wit in Primus?
[20:46] <holstein> i could barely tell them apart ;)
[20:46] <nit-wit> holstein: no I have taken up other studies plan to get back via a midi set up
[20:46] <kristian-aalborg> I feel like I missed something important during those few minutes...
[20:46] <holstein> nit-wit: we got a cool community going on over at #opensourcemusicians :)
[20:46] <holstein> if your interested
[20:46] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: no that is a goood bass player I like flea better
[20:46] <nit-wit> good
[20:46] <holstein> im not a big MIDI guy
[20:46] <holstein> but other are
[20:47] <holstein> others*
[20:47] <nit-wit> holstein: midi sax
[20:47] <kristian-aalborg> I don't know if he's good but I'm pretty sure he uses the fretless bass a lot
[20:47] <holstein> there was a girl with an EWI
[20:47] <holstein> nice one
[20:47] <holstein> we jammed in NINjam a couple times ;)
[20:48] <holstein> when i had a server up
[20:48] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: yes he does in a rather unusual manner brb
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> I think I
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> whoops... I think I'll have to try and fix this in parted, can someone walk me through perhaps?
[20:51] <kristian-aalborg> http://pastebin.com/x8wzyZNa - here's my new fdisk
[20:55] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: so what is going on it is a boot problem
[20:56] <kristian-aalborg> I can't read it anywhere but in 9.04
[20:57] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: can you post this script run in paste bin. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[20:57] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: 9.04 was grub-legacy I believe
[20:59] <kristian-aalborg> nit-wit: this is not boot-related, I think?
[20:59] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: the guy from primus uses all hammer on and sliding around questionable intonation but still good
[21:00] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: okay just trying to figure out the problem
[21:00] <kristian-aalborg> I never dug them much... my fav bass player is Dee Dee Ramone or something ;)
[21:00] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: Dee Dee has his place in history that is for sure
[21:01] <nit-wit> may he RIP
[21:02] <kristian-aalborg> he was a bit boring on record perhaps, but check the youtube vids of him live, he really laid something into it
[21:02] <kristian-aalborg> may the Ramones all RIP and Tommy live long
[21:02] <kristian-aalborg> I don't wish death to Marky and CJ, but they're not "real" members of that band to me
[21:02] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: it's all music and art to me from duke ellington and before to mega death
[21:03] <kristian-aalborg> sure... but they're not all true Ramones ;)
[21:03] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: lol
[21:04] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: so what is going on with your computer?
[21:04] <kristian-aalborg> I may have found some kind of fix... one moment
[21:05] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: cool
[21:06] <kristian-aalborg> gparted was not as big as I assumed... great
[21:07] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: so what are you trying to do actually
[21:07] <kristian-aalborg> I messed up a CompactFlash card
[21:07] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: a SDHC card
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> none of that fancy stuff, thank you ;)
[21:11] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: is the flash card have a partition table set whats it look like in gparted
[21:14] <stlsaint_mobile> sup sup
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> this is absurd... no matter what I do, only ubuntu 10.4 sees this card
[21:25] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: there is a problem with mini cards I have found if safely removed and or rejected. I use the disc manager to unmount mine. Also when you wipe the partition you need to build a new partition table I have found to get it working
[21:26] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: there was a code to help them work better I will look
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> in gparted now, reading the damn card
[21:29] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: what do you see
[21:30] <kristian-aalborg> I wiped it... then I chose new partition table
[21:30] <kristian-aalborg> then a new ext2 which takes up the entire drive
[21:30] <kristian-aalborg> (card)
[21:33] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: wipe the card and under device create a partition table. You are familiar with the dropdown and creating types of partitions ext2 is not much help fat32 would be for data and ext4 for a install of most open source
[21:34] <kristian-aalborg> nit-wit: I chose ext2 because it should be seen by any kind of linux
[21:36] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: I would try a fat, the cards seems temperamental in being read it takes a bit of working with to find a working method. I have mine plugged in 16 gigs running Linuxmint10 as we speak as I type.
[21:37] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: with my sdhc card the only way it will remount is if I unmount it with the disc manager on a running OS
[21:38] <kristian-aalborg> once I have this card working it STAYS where it is
[21:42] <nit-wit> kristian-aalborg: so it seems to be only read by lucid is this correct
[21:42] <nit-wit> read=seen
[21:43] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[21:44] <kristian-aalborg> so this is weird
[21:45] <kristian-aalborg> I opened slitaz livecd to see if I could see it - I appearantly can't but the sum of the hda's I see is more than what I have
[21:47] <feros> hey hey :) Anyone that can help me here :)? Got some newbeginner issues in Ubuntu :)
[21:49] <nit-wit> feros: what are the issues
[21:49] <feros> *sniff sniff* Help :D? I cant get my microphone to work,
[21:49] <feros> have tryed a headset aswell,
[21:50] <feros> Get sound out, but not in,
[21:50] <nit-wit> feros: what is the computer model and Ubuntu distro
[21:50] <feros> and have tryed to open "gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf" but its blank
[21:50] <feros> Ubuntu 11.04, HP Dv-7
[21:50] <feros> dv-7 3010os I belive,
[21:51] <nit-wit> feros: if your a new user that is not even released yet did you have this problem with any other distros
[21:51] <nit-wit> feros: there is also a #ubuntu+1 channel for natty
[21:51] <feros> oww, then its 10.10 or something :P The latest one. Installed it today,
[21:52] <feros> tryed that, nobody answered >:
[21:52] <feros> I bet my  cat is better than this than me XD
[21:54] <nit-wit> feros: see post 7 this might help not sure. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1581131
[21:57] <feros> as said nab as this ^ ^ Trying but only get command not found so I'm doin' something very wrong :P
[21:58] <feros> ups, wrong one. Gonna try #7 now
[21:59] <nit-wit> feros: it just may be muted
[22:00] <feros> have unmuted it, but gonna try after installing alsa mixer
[22:01] <mazzry> will someone give me a command line work around to install the c++ visual runtimes or anything in winetricks?
[22:02] <mazzry> or maybe some workaround for virtualbox since it would not run w
[22:02] <mazzry> hatever i did
[22:04] <mazzry> thankx
[22:04] <feros> did not work :<
[22:05] <kristian-aalborg> bbl, will open box
[22:05] <mazzry> yeah it's trying to work but it trys to abort
[22:08] <mazzry> wine: Call from 0x7b835102 to unimplemented function mscoree.dll.CorIsLatestSvc, aborting wine: Unimplemented function mscoree.dll.CorIsLatestSvc called at address 0x7b835102 (thread 0017), starting debugger... fixme:ntoskrnl:KeInitializeMutex stub: 0x5920c0, 0 wine: Call from 0x7b835102 to unimplemented function ntoskrnl.exe._allshl, aborting wine: Unimplemented function ntoskrnl.exe._allshl called at address 0x7b835102 (thre
[22:09] <UndiFineD> mazzry, which version of wine is installed ?
[22:10] <mazzry> wine 1.2.1
[22:11] <mazzry> i've updated it and says it's the latest, there are so many bugs on meerkat
[22:11] <mazzry> my menu likes to disappear
[22:12] <mazzry> i 'm not sure if it's this distro or wine that's messin up
[22:12] <UndiFineD> I have 1.3
[22:14] <feros> nit-wit: found something on youtube I'm gonna try :P
[22:56] <sogepp> what makes it different with #ubuntu ???
[22:58] <udienz> sogepp: this is ubuntu-beginners team channel
[22:58] <sogepp> ok
[23:00] <udienz> sogepp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/
[23:00] <udienz> but you can ask questions at here
[23:01] <sogepp> ok
[23:02] <sogepp> well, i have something with my ubuntu, it can't reboot or shutdown, and no error message either
[23:03] <gstarx90> can it logout?
[23:04] <sogepp> yup
[23:04] <gstarx90> i usually get this problem, if you want to restart, open up a terminal and type in sudo reboot
[23:05] <sogepp> it just stuck in black page when i order it to restart or shutdown
[23:05] <sogepp> gstarx90 : i did, but not working
[23:06] <sogepp> i had to use ctrl+alt+del
[23:06] <gstarx90> alright
[23:07] <udienz> ot press CTRL+ALT+F1..F7
[23:07] <udienz> you got terminal
[23:07] <sogepp> ok,
[23:07] <sogepp> then...
[23:08] <gstarx90> type in sudo shutdown -r now
[23:08] <gstarx90> try that
[23:08] <sogepp> i've tried that many times, trust me,
[23:09]  * gstarx90 was thinking of reisub
[23:09] <sogepp> i've been asking this question on some forums too, nothing works, hehe
[23:09] <gstarx90> what happens if you type in the command
[23:10] <gstarx90> 'sudo reboot'
[23:10] <sogepp> it stuck on black page
[23:10] <sogepp> nothing else
[23:11] <sogepp> is there any ways to see my problem,
[23:11] <gstarx90> hm
[23:11] <gstarx90> well, i'm just here
[23:11] <gstarx90> but all i can think of is holding down alt and printscreen, and type in reisub while both keys are held down
[23:12] <sogepp> well, i can re-installing it , but i don't think it would solve the problem in the next future
[23:12] <sogepp> and, what's that for, i mean the function ???
[23:12] <gstarx90> http://kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[23:13] <sogepp> is it means that ctrl+alt+del not save ???
[23:14]  * gstarx90 shrugs, that's the suggestion
[23:14] <sogepp> ew
[23:15] <sogepp> so we need holding alt+SysRq while typing r.e.i.s.u.b ?? right?
[23:16] <gstarx90> yes
[23:16] <sogepp> seems troublesome for me, haha
[23:17] <gstarx90> use your nose! xd
[23:17] <gstarx90> literaly
[23:17] <gstarx90> literally also
[23:18] <sogepp> wkwkwkwk, nice
[23:18] <gstarx90> it works?
[23:18] <gstarx90> awesomenesssssssss
[23:19] <sogepp> i haven't try it
[23:19] <gstarx90> ok
[23:41] <ibuclaw> sogepp, I miss ctrl+alt+backspace. :~)
[23:41] <ibuclaw> then again, that's showing my age.
[23:41] <sogepp> err, what's that suppose to mean ???
[23:42] <ibuclaw> well...
[23:42] <ibuclaw> in the good old days *gets pipe*
[23:43] <ibuclaw> X would have it's infrequent crash of some sort.
[23:44] <ibuclaw> like... once a month, maybe less frequent, maybe more... depending on whether or not you were using stable drivers installed 8-)
[23:44] <sogepp> then why they makes it disable
[23:45] <ibuclaw> in such circumstances, all was not lost, as you could just press a magic key combination and X would restart itself, and bring you back to the login screen as if nothing happened.
[23:45] <tenach> I really do miss ctrl+alt+backspace too, ibuclaw
[23:45] <tenach> :(
[23:45] <ibuclaw> X got stable, things got deprecated, confused several noisy users.
[23:46] <sogepp> and, how it's connected with my problem ??? ibuclaw
[23:46] <ibuclaw> sogepp, not connected in the slightest.
[23:46] <ibuclaw> I just saw REISUB with you name on it.
[23:46] <sogepp> ow,  i see
[23:46] <sogepp> ha ha
[23:47] <ibuclaw> and then drifted off into a trip down memory lane
[23:47] <sogepp> sigh, i got fustated with my 'reboot' problem
[23:48] <ibuclaw> sogepp, if you ever forget the other, just recite the paraphrase:
[23:48] <ibuclaw> Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring
[23:48] <sogepp> well, i can re-installing it, but won't solve the problem
[23:48] <sogepp> wkwkwk
[23:49] <sogepp> but the problem is, my dpkg got 'interupted' message
[23:49] <ibuclaw> dpkg got interrupted...
[23:49] <ibuclaw> usually that's a fault on your half xD
[23:50] <sogepp> E: dpkg was interupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem.
[23:50] <ibuclaw> that message should also tell you to run 'dpkg-configure -a'
[23:50] <sogepp> i did
[23:50] <sogepp> see the result http://pastebin.com/LZvZg2Ea
[23:51] <sogepp> and that's ain't solve my problem
[23:51] <sogepp> can someone show me how to learn linux system ???
[23:52] <sogepp> i need to know how it works, and maybe solve my own problem
[23:52] <sogepp> brb...
[23:52] <ibuclaw> http://forums.zend.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8155#p27575
[23:53] <ibuclaw> *pew*pew*pew*
[23:53] <ibuclaw> bad package maintainers should learn to package software correctly :~)
[23:59] <sogepp> thanks, i'll check on it , ibuclaw


[12:44] <afuentes> can somebody help me locate the package with the following string "este controlador proporciona soporte para hardware adicional y se puede instalar en la impresora" ? The translation is wrongly done and id like to send a proper translation
[13:28] <andrejz> hello afuentes
[13:28] <andrejz> as far as i know the easiest way is to install ubuntu translation tools to do the search for you
[13:28] <andrejz> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-translations-coordinators/+archive/ppa/


[07:17] <BlackDex> is there a quick way of configuring multiple nodes which have the same network interface configuration? like i have to manually creat bonds on several nodes. is there a way to do this on all nodes at the same time? or some small script somewhere?
[10:21] <mup> Bug #1773133 opened: Tooltip for "Enabled" checkbox truncated  in settings/dhcp snippet <2.3rc3> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773133>
[11:36] <mup> Bug #1773150 opened: [2.4.0~rc1] smartctl verify fails due to Unicode in Disk Vendor Name <smartctl> <tests> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773150>
[12:44] <roaksoax> BlackDex: i dont have one, but you can do that over the api
[12:44] <roaksoax> BlackDex: (e.g., create your own scrip)
[14:08] <BlackDex> roaksoax: i thought so ;)
[14:08] <BlackDex> thx
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1768800 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.4.0beta3 to bionic <maas (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768800>
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1773201 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.4.0 <maas (Ubuntu):New> <maas (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773201>
[15:50] <klj1218> Installing MAAS on 18.04, installs version 2.4.0~beta2 ... what's an ETA for a GA release of 2.4.0? Is there another repo I could add to pull more recent builds of 2.4.0, until it's released?
[15:50] <roaksoax> klj1218: its in the process of being released
[15:51] <roaksoax> klj1218: e.g. we are preparing it
[15:51] <roaksoax> klj1218: you could grab it from ppa:maas/next-proposed
[15:54] <klj1218> roaksoax: ok, thanks ... I assume after GA is released I would then be able to switch over to ppa:maas/stable, right?
[16:06] <roaksoax> klj1218: yes, or get it from the bionic archive
[20:20] <mup> Bug #1773201 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.4.0 <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <maas (Ubuntu Cosmic):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773201>
[20:20] <mup> Bug # changed: 1693256, 1730525, 1749210, 1763217, 1763218, 1768870, 1770126, 1770620, 1770741, 1771448, 1771451, 1771461
[20:23] <mup> Bug # opened: 1693256, 1730525, 1749210, 1763217, 1763218, 1768870, 1770126, 1770620, 1770741, 1771448, 1771451, 1771461
[20:26] <mup> Bug # changed: 1693256, 1730525, 1749210, 1763217, 1763218, 1768870, 1770126, 1770620, 1770741, 1771448, 1771451, 1771461
[20:32] <mup> Bug #1773201 opened: [SRU] MAAS 2.4.0 <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <maas (Ubuntu Cosmic):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773201>
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1773201 changed: [SRU] MAAS 2.4.0 <maas (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <maas (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <maas (Ubuntu Cosmic):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773201>
[20:46] <mcsmash> Hi guys. I have some questions about dhcp. My controller is set up on a machine with two network interfaces. How do I ensure that MaaS only provides dhcp over a specific one of them?
[21:07] <roaksoax> mcsmash: you cannot select which interface to enable DHCP on. MAAS uses tghe VLAN information to enable DHCP and automatically selects which interface to do so
[21:07] <roaksoax> so if your rack controller has an interface in the given VLAN, DHCP will be enabled against that interface


[12:26] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[12:27] <Lord_Athur> when a log onto the terminal a text is shown,
[12:28] <Lord_Athur> it's about the NO WARRANTY of ubuntu
[12:28] <Lord_Athur> can I change this text?
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> can anybody help me?
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> ogra_ibook, you're an ubuntu expert, can you help me?
[12:52] <\sh> Lord_Athur: /etc/motd
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[12:56] <Lord_Athur> \sh, with ubuntu 5.04,  how can I delete mails (using the mail program of the terminal)?
[12:59] <\sh> Lord_Athur: /join #ubuntu for support questions..
[01:00] <Lord_Athur> thanks for the idea \sh
[03:01] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:03] <lucasvo> hello everybody
[12:14] <writer> Hello!
[12:16] <ulinskie> writer, hi there
[12:17] <writer> Hi
[12:53] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: whare can I download the edubuntu dapper install cd for ppc?
[12:59] <ogra_ibook> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/
[01:00] <lucasvo> yup, I've already found it
[01:01] <lucasvo> thanks
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:35] <writer> Hi
[03:37] <Lord_Athur> hi mhz
[03:38] <mhz> hi Lord_Athur
[04:08] <Lord_Athur> hi there
[04:08] <Lord_Athur> who uses xfree86?
[04:11] <Yagisan> no one anymore ...
[04:11] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:12] <Yagisan> not since they committed suicide ^W^W mass re-licensed
[04:12] <Yagisan> anyway
[04:12] <Lord_Athur> :D
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I've got an empy floppy
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> what can be a good format to mount it?
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> is there anyone with the information?
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I cannot use a CD for 3 kb
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> xD
[04:25] <Lord_Athur> and i need it for a pc without graphical enviroment
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord --scanbus
[04:26] <mhz> will give you the info you need for:
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> a?
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> what's that?
[04:26] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:26] <mhz> cdrecord -v dev=X,Y,Z fs=16m speed=4 the_iso_file
[04:30] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: mount /medial/floppy -t vfat
[04:30] <Yagisan> s/medial/media
[04:30] <Yagisan> is that what you are looking for ?
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> thanks Yagisan
[04:31] <hyperactivecrond> hello all
[04:31] <mhz> Yagisan: I thought Lord_Athur wanted to burn a CD
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I don't want to do that
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> I only want to mount a floppy
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> xD
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> but I must especify the file system
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, the command that you gave me is wrong
[04:32] <mhz> Lord_Athur mhz, I cannot use a CD for 3 kb
[04:33] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you said that
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> I wanted to tell you that I only can use a floppy for this case
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> and not a cd
[04:33] <Lord_Athur> :D
[04:33] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: ok try this: mount /dev/fd0 -t vfat /media/floppy
[04:34] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: make sure you have a /media/floppy directory
[04:34] <Yagisan> otherwise change to to somewhere else
[04:34] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan,
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> thanks i could do it
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> I'll be back as soon as possible after repair my problem
[04:36] <Lord_Athur> bye
[05:21] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: got a minute, gifted man?
[05:22] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: what do you need ?
[05:23] <mhz_idle> as you know my main concern is old or less powerful hardware for edubuntu
[05:24] <mhz_idle> so, I started working on customizing wmaker look until ogra mentioned that wmaker and fluxbox wouldn't suit freedesktop standards
[05:24] <mhz_idle> then,
[05:24] <mhz_idle> yesterday I had some time to play and test XFCE again
[05:24] <Yagisan> yes - I have quite a bit of "old" hardware
[05:25] <jsgotangco> lol i thought i read "wanker"
[05:25] <jsgotangco> wmaker
[05:25] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:25] <mhz_idle> and met this guy in #xubuntu who has started a great cool project "DSS live"
[05:25] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: hehehehehe
[05:25] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: too much slack from holidays?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, ive been busy of late
[05:25] <jsgotangco> with a side project
[05:26] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: this guy, 'nomed', has based his project on ubuntu but with many diff and used XFCE 90% free of GNOME libs dependency
[05:26] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: pet or side?
[05:27] <jsgotangco> side
[05:27] <jsgotangco> hopefully it gets done next year
[05:27] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: on?
[05:27] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: so I now wonder...
[05:28] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: if I want Edubuntu to be the cheapest on hardware consumption, which road should I take?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, you'll know in due time
[05:28] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: ubuntu does use lots of gnome
[05:28] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: grrhhh :)
[05:28] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, XFCE so at least you're gtk compatible
[05:29] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: at least a clue or category?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, it is docs related
[05:29] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: I am seriously considering XFCE mainly because of desktop standrards
[05:29] <mhz_idle> but If my other cncern is lib dependencies...
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i like my desktop to be programmable =)
[05:30] <mhz_idle> DSS live has gotten free of those, but then have also used too many diff resources ubuntu does use
[05:30] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: me too, I use fluxbox and wmaker only
[05:31] <mhz_idle> but my concern has to be wider = students and schools
[05:31] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, but you're developing a solution now, your opinions rarely matter heh
[05:31] <mhz_idle> with old cheap hardware
[05:31] <mhz_idle> heheh
[05:31] <mhz_idle> that's why i am using xcfe now
[05:32] <jsgotangco> its a nice desktop but its not my cup of tea
[05:32] <jsgotangco> i still like the logic of patterns and methods of gnome
[05:32] <mhz_idle> my concern is how much speed or weight on resources will I gain by getting rid of GNOME dependencies
[05:33] <mhz_idle> and how much I can get rid of?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:33] <mhz_idle> considering Ubuntu/Edubuntu is 100 GNOME
[05:33] <jsgotangco> well yes
[05:33] <jsgotangco> you'll probrably be grabbing the basic gtk tookits for starters
[05:34] <jsgotangco> not necessarily gnome  =)
[05:34] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: even if you switch to xfce, you'll still need cire gnome and kde libs for many applications
[05:34] <Yagisan> s/cire/core
[05:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:34] <jsgotangco> especially for kedu
[05:34] <mhz_idle> yup
[05:35] <jsgotangco> you'll still have a leaner setup compared to full gnome
[05:35] <jsgotangco> probably a few hundred MB less
[05:35] <mhz_idle> and as I understand NOTHING about developing nor coding nor libs, I am totally clules about how to do this light-edubuntu
[05:35] <mhz_idle> and make it a valid official option
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i dont think that's possible for this cycle
[05:35] <jsgotangco> too short
[05:36] <jsgotangco> its january next year
[05:36] <mhz_idle> AFAIK, DSS live is ubuntu but nomed says 'too tweaked'
[05:36] <jsgotangco> its not well documented?
[05:36] <mhz_idle> what?
[05:36] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: here is the catch - want to use those ubuntu apps like firefox - then you need the gtk libs
[05:37] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: want k3b - need the kde libs
[05:37] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, k3b alone needs at least a 100MB worth of deps
[05:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:37] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: but in that case, k3b is worth it
[05:37] <jsgotangco> (assuming you installed gnome)
[05:38] <jsgotangco> sure it is
[05:38] <jsgotangco> but getting 100MB over the network can be a shock
[05:38] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: the only feasible way to slim down ubuntu - without getting a major cflags change, is to carefully pick your applications
[05:39] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, you'll probably have to sacrifice the kde apps and focus on gtk
[05:39] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I'm shaped to 64k down now, I had to suck 250MB worth a while ago :(
[05:40] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: perhaps even sacrifice gtk apps depening on your target box
[05:40] <jsgotangco> are you currently being abused by evil telstra?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, since youre targeting low-end systems, that's a good sacrifice (to remove the other apps)
[05:41] <jsgotangco> but you'll have a limited app selection in the process
[05:41] <jsgotangco> (unless there's a ton of edu apps on ncurses heh)
[05:41] <mhz_idle> :)
[05:41] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: no, I went over my 20GB limit with tpg, trying to get something decent to watch for christmas O:-)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> haha
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i might fly to brisbane after the new year
[05:42] <jsgotangco> and stay for a few weeks
[05:43] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: Yagisan:... what if I just made an edubuntu XFCE theme for our edubuntu cd.. will that be a start? will that be included in Dapper?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> you can ask ogra to package it as a universe app i guess
[05:44] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I think that would help, but first
[05:44] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: i mean , to be part of the shipped CD ;)
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I'd sit down with pen & paper and decide what apps I'd want to use
[05:45] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: my initial idea was to have same exact apps than edubuntu
[05:46] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, that wouldn't be useful at all, since XFCE isn't in the CD for starters
[05:46] <mhz_idle> later on, I met the 'libs' issues
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you need to trim the "fat" in other ways
[05:46] <mhz_idle> trim = slim down?
[05:46] <jsgotangco> (i dunno if XFCE got promoted to main,....)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> maybe not
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: yes
[05:47] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: actually it is to cut away
[05:47] <mhz_idle> hehehe
[05:47] <mhz_idle> .oO(english and its phrasal verbs!!!)
[05:47] <mhz_idle> only native speakers can come up with them
[05:48] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: how far from edubuntu do you want to go ?
[05:49] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we need to determine what is an acceptable loss for yoou
[05:49] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: as I only understood the need and not what it actually implies... I just realized old chilean hardware was not ideal for edubuntu as it currently is. So my main goal was to make it less expensive.
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: are you planning a ltsp setup, or individual workstations ?
[05:50] <mhz_idle> ltsp
[05:50] <Yagisan> ok
[05:50] <mhz_idle> or xmcdp
[05:50] <mhz_idle> or any way I can set a semi-modern server and 10 or 20 workstations
[05:50] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I'd drop all kde stuff, and see if I can get a gtk replacement if you need that a particular app
[05:51] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: what if I cut away FAT kde?
[05:51] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: xfce might be good - do you have a comparison to gnome ?
[05:51] <mhz_idle> nope just yey because I am still in the process of learning about what i am getting into :D
[05:52] <mhz_idle> when I started theming wmaker I knew that was lot faster than gnome
[05:52] <mhz_idle> on every aspect
[05:53] <mhz_idle> I have no clue how to compare xfce and gnome unless you are talking about using a timer ;)
[05:53] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, i wonder if its still edubuntu after shedding all that so called "fat"
[05:53] <mhz_idle> exactly, thats my point
[05:54] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: which comes back to my question,  how far from edubuntu do you want to go ?
[05:54] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: would KDE be lighter than GNOME ? (considering I will use educational apps in edubuntu)
[05:55] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: do you have a typical pc we can perform measurements on ?
[05:55] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: hmmm, i can't quite understand your question
[05:55] <jsgotangco> unlikely KDE has its own voodoo way different from gnome
[05:55] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I have gotten one, 600 MHz celeron, 128 MB ram, 20 GB
[05:56] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: how much edubuntu are you willing to remove, to achieve your goal ?
[05:56] <mhz_idle> but i guess typical would be 96 RAM
[05:56] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: ok - and how many clients on a 96mb box ?
[05:57] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: my first idea was to have the option for scholl admins to choose Wmaker or XFCE over GNOME when installing Edubuntu Dapper. That was it. Now..... Now I feel lost so because Edubuntu is also suitable for about 35% of the Chilean schools
[05:58] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: so, answering your question today about 'how far' seems not clear to me.
[05:59] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I could make school servers to be 1 GHz + 256 RAM (maybe, just maybe, 512 MB), 20 GB
[05:59] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: to determine how we can meet your target machine, I need to know how much I can remove, without you becoming unhappy
[05:59] <mhz_idle> and most of clients would have 500 MHz, 48 or 64 MB of ram, 9 GB
[06:00] <mhz_idle> heheheh
[06:00] <jsgotangco> mhz_idle, windows NT
[06:00] <mhz_idle> and the env. would be 1 server for 10 or 15 stations
[06:02] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: with that, I would be happy to see 20 apps. per subject (Math, Lenaguage, etc) and group (from pre-kinder to 8 years olds, from 9 to 13 and from 14 to 18)
[06:03] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: clients < 64mb won't boot, 96mb / 11 (10 users + some server otherhead) = ~8.7mb per client
[06:04] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: depending on how active & how many *different* apps are running, that will be slow
[06:04] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: eg no OOo, and no firefox on that server
[06:04] <mhz_idle> OR, i could set a mixed env. LTSP + local installed
[06:05] <mhz_idle> well, classes usually dont consider firefox unless we are talking about Wikpedia
[06:05] <mhz_idle> (Moinpedia for jsgotangco)
[06:05] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we need to do a memory profile on what apps are used
[06:06] <mhz_idle> any tool or script to do that?
[06:06] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I don't have the bandwidth to grab edubuntu & test until after jan 10
[06:06] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: we build a test lab, and run top on the server
[06:07] <jsgotangco> there's moinpedia?
[06:07] <mhz_idle> jsgotangco: yup, Alexander (#moin) made a CSS for it and tested it against DB's with nice results
[06:08] <mhz_idle> I ignore if it still is available as project
[06:08] <jsgotangco> wow
[06:08] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: I might be able to set a Lab to test it (1 server + 1 laptop and 1 PC
[06:09] <mhz_idle> but I have no clue how to test mem behaviour
[06:09] <mhz_idle> or cpu
[06:10] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: I can't test cpu, I don't have a spare box. I can however build a virtual lab
[06:10] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: to test mem, you start logging memory use on and idle server
[06:11] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you get everyone to log in and do their work while still logging
[06:12] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: you see the peak usage and the average usage
[06:12] <mhz_idle> yup, i understand/imagine those concepts but 'how do i get them in human like' language so I can chart them and convince schools this is a better option
[06:12] <mhz_idle> something like 'bootchart' does
[06:13] <mhz_idle> or even on a txt?
[06:14] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: you need to get that lab built and perform the analysis and write up independently
[06:14] <mhz_idle> ooh, i see
[06:14] <mhz_idle> I can do that
[06:14] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: ok, I'll start with the lab then
[06:15] <Yagisan> mhz_idle: then you can see if you need to remove anything from edubuntu, or get the schools to spend more money
[06:15] <mhz_idle> and understanding how to tweak GTK colors for winows and menus
[06:15] <mhz_idle> (just in case)
[06:16] <mhz_idle> Yagisan: jsgotangco: thx a lot. I feel less lost now
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> F1...
[06:16] <mhz_idle> :D
[06:18] <jsgotangco> i got to try sleeping
[06:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:18] <jsgotangco> a can of V didnt work
[06:22] <Petaris> Anyone here played with getting the terminals to logon to a Microsoft Active Directory or Novell eDirectory (NDS) domain?
[06:22] <Yagisan> the edubuntu terminals ?
[06:23] <Petaris> yeah, the ltsp terminals
[06:24] <Petaris> I know novell has a linux client but it is packaged for suse and redhat, I'm not sure if you could safely use alien to convert it
[06:24] <Petaris> and I'm not sure how possible it would be to do
[06:25] <Yagisan> Petaris: it's actually the ltsp server that you'll need to modify -  and last time I tried integrating linux into AD it took days :(
[06:25] <Petaris> well I have gentoo samba servers that are members of the domain, but that is a bit different
[06:26] <Petaris> I mean to logon to the domain and map your network drives/etc when you logon to the terminal
[06:26] <Petaris> http://www.novell.com/products/clients/linux/overview.html
[06:27] <Petaris> there is the novell client
[06:27] <Petaris> but it was made specifically for Novell Linux Desktop and Redhat, I don't know if that means it won't work with debianish systems or not
[06:27] <aep> hi.
[06:28] <aep> since i didnt find a channel that is about linux in education i chose yours.
[06:28] <Petaris> aep: Hello
[06:29] <Petaris> I use linux in education
[06:29] <aep> i'm starting a project for educational institutes.
[06:29] <Petaris> I'm a k-12 school district here
[06:29] <aep> maybe you want to here about. it brought a lot of hard disuss only speaking out the topic of the project
[06:30] <aep> (excuse my english please)
[06:31] <aep> In the institutes i was, there is much windows installed. they dont change it becouse they think they would have to change the staff too
[06:31] <Petaris> haha, I wish I could change some of the staff
[06:31] <Petaris> ;)
[06:32] <aep> my project aims to let linux look and feel exactely the same way windows does. So Institutes can change the OS without having _any_ trouble. most users dont even notice its another os
[06:34] <aep> i tested it out with qvm and it was great, then with a modification of kde (see http://data.xparanoid.de/exosXP.jpg) and it was great. until the users tryed to start the system configurator or some win32 program
[06:35] <aep> http://eligym.mine.nu/exos2006.pdf here is the (roadmap) of my project. i need many people to support me with code (e.g. i'm not able to write kernel modules)
[06:35] <aep> and the roadmap is bad english too, sorry
[06:37] <aep> if you are interested, to support me in _any_ way (even its just you want to say i'm on the wrong/rigth way)  then send a jabber to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[06:38] <aep> i'm not hearing  any reaction ;-)
[06:38] <Petaris> the interface has been done before BTW
[06:38] <aep> maybe hard to understand, since it's realy bad translated
[06:38] <Petaris> check icewm
[06:39] <aep> oh no, the intefaces done until now are not as powerfull as kde
[06:39] <Petaris> true
[06:42] <Petaris> Your'e putting a lot of trust in wine, some things will "just" work but most will not
[06:43] <Petaris> and I wouldn't try to create a branch kernel, use modules then you can use the newest kernel easily when it comes out
[06:43] <aep> it was not y idea to integrate wine. i know that it depends on much configuration to let some programms run in it. But i dont think wine should be a main-target, since the comunity brings a lot of better tools (like OO)
[06:43] <aep> yes the module concept is  a good idea
[06:44] <Petaris> and why would you need the winxp cd or lic
[06:45] <aep> 1. becouse i would have a license problem if i do not ask for it and 2. becouse wine needs it to create a fake windows drive
[06:45] <Petaris> since when?
[06:46] <Petaris> I use wine with no winxp lic
[06:46] <Petaris> and that would require still buying winxp
[06:46] <aep> i doesnt _need_ it. But with that fake drive you have much better support. e.g iexplore
[06:46] <Petaris> eeeeek!
[06:47] <Petaris> Why would you want to use iexplore?
[06:47] <aep> i know , but i dont know howto solve it other way :/
[06:47] <Petaris> use firefox
[06:47] <Petaris> :)
[06:47] <aep> no! but some win32 programms need it
[06:47] <Petaris> I do for win and lin
[06:47] <Petaris> oh
[06:47] <Petaris> thats what you meant
[06:47] <Petaris> yeah, for ie you need a win lic
[06:47] <aep> yip
[06:47] <aep> but i would like to solve it another way
[06:48] <Petaris> which win progs do you think you need that require ie though?
[06:48] <Petaris> use OO.org instead of MS Office
[06:48] <aep> some that are very deep integrated. e.g. some installers get there proxy info out of ie
[06:48] <aep> yes OO!
[06:48] <Yagisan> Petaris: quite a few, including games
[06:49] <Petaris> There should be a fake iexplore.exe file that has the proxy info etc but no ie, and thus no lic
[06:49] <aep> but the main problem is the licensing.  all those styles are (c) by microsoft
[06:49] <Yagisan> Petaris: I must be blind - I can't find source for that app from novell
[06:50] <Petaris> Yagisan: you have to be registered (free) and logged int
[06:50] <Petaris> er, in
[06:51] <aep> maybe there is another way i could do it.  put the mirror somewhere in  the ocian :D
[06:52] <aep> but anyway i realy need some support.  since a few months i thougth it will be based on gentoo, but now i changed my opinion... the gentoo guys where realy unfriendly to me, as i tryed to bring my project to them
[06:55] <aep> so if you want to contact me you know my jabber id :-)
[06:57] <Petaris> Yagisan: http://katerina.frederic.k12.wi.us/code/novell-client-1.0-linux-nld9.tar.gz
[06:58] <aep> seems you want to talk anymore or now. i must leave, so tell youre friends and contact me plz ;-)    .. cya
[06:58] <Petaris> Yagisan: Here are the install instructions: http://www.novell.com/documentation/linux_client/index.html?page=/documentation/linux_client/linuxclient/data/hgcbnee7.html
[07:00] <Yagisan> Petaris: thanks, I'll check it out when I wake up - see if I can spot any issues
[07:00] <Petaris> ok thankt
[07:00] <Petaris> er thatnks
[07:00] <Yagisan> no worries
[07:02] <Yagisan> Petaris: oh dear - it needs kernel source
[07:02] <Yagisan> Petaris: that's a good sign it will break on upgrades
[07:02] <Petaris> dosen't surprise me
[07:03] <Petaris> but if it could be tweaked to work that would be a powerful tool
[07:03] <Petaris> for adaptation of edubuntu in Novell shops
[07:05] <Yagisan> Petaris: what are the redistribution conditions ? reading the overview page, they give the impression that you can't run it on other distros
[07:05] <Petaris> Thats not the impression I got from the rep
[07:05] <Petaris> let me check
[07:07] <Petaris> nothing in the legal notice about it
[07:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: Do you think any kernel-source will work?  Or might it be their tweaked source?
[07:16] <Yagisan> Petaris: I don't know - I need to get the package (slowly coming down my shaped connection)
[07:16] <Petaris> ahh
[07:29] <Yagisan> night all
[07:29] <Petaris> night
[07:50] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:52] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:52] <Lord_Athur> I need an advice
[07:58] <KeithC> hey - quick question. i was wondering if theres an iso i can download of a live cd edubuntu... i want to test it and see if i want to set up an edubuntu box for my baby cousins.
[09:49] <paolob> Hi guys! Anyone could tell me where does evolution store the mail accounts settings?
[10:11] <Lord_Athur> hi
[10:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I need an advice from you
[10:11] <mhz> Lord_Athur: shoot
[10:12] <Lord_Athur> a?
[10:12] <mhz> Lord_Athur: dime
[10:12] <Lord_Athur> ok
[10:12] <mhz> shoot = dispara = dime
[10:19] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:57] <lucasvo> I just ran into first difficut thing in Edubuntu-dapper ppc installation
[11:58] <lucasvo> ah, just solved it
[12:02] <lucasvo> maybe not