[12:05] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[12:05] <zakame> gn8 siretart :)
[12:05] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[12:06] <ajmitch_> night siretart
[01:58] <minghua> Must I test installing every package I merged/synced?
[02:08] <lifeless> minghua: not much point merging them if you dont
[02:09] <minghua> lifeless: okay, will do.  I think I was lazy and didn't test installing (just building in pbuilder) for some previous syncs.
[02:10] <sistpoty> minghua: it should be installable on dapper, but I don't test-install packages either (as I'm still on breezy)
[02:10] <lifeless> sistpoty: make a chroot ;)
[02:10] <minghua> but installing only detects problems like overlapping files, etc.
[02:10] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:11] <minghua> it's not like that I know how to use every package I merged/synced
[02:11] <minghua> (although I always choose packages that I at least heard of first)
[02:24] <crimsun> ouch, that was a long TB meeting
[02:35] <minghua> Hmm, the MOTU science team's first bug has a nice and responsive submitter
[02:38] <sistpoty> args... now with 2 chroots I never now what's my real system *g*
[02:38] <minghua> siretart: what shell are you using?
[02:39] <sistpoty> minghua: zsh
[02:39] <sistpoty> but I get the idea... I'll update my prompt
[02:40] <minghua> sistpoty: hmm, I don't know about zsh, but the default .bashrc shipped with bash has a thing in $PS1 to indicate it
[02:40] <minghua> sistpoty: :-)
[02:40] <sistpoty> minghua: I already have a custom prompt... so it's easy to update this... but thanks for the hint :)
[03:49] <crimsun> sistpoty: nice work on flashplugin-nonfree; I had a different approach and was waiting for Debian to update, but yours works, too
[03:49] <sistpoty> crimsun: I'm not happy altogether with this... I hope debian will update this one soon
[03:50] <ajmitch_> afternoon
[03:50] <Kyral> Good Evening ajmitch_
[03:50] <crimsun> hey ajmitch_ :)
[03:51] <crimsun> nice to see slomo has main privs now
[03:51] <ajmitch_> yep :)
[03:51] <sistpoty> crimsun: the current version will always dl flashplugin... but it's better if it can dl a current version then to have old versions with security probs around
[03:51] <sistpoty> (imo)
[03:51] <crimsun> sistpoty: right, it's better than nothing atm
[03:51] <ajmitch_> so he can take over the mono team & tseng & I can sit back ;)
[03:51] <crimsun> hehe
[03:52] <sistpoty> crimsun: btw: mdz sent me an email how I should state my changelog when using a patch from somewhere *g*
[03:52] <crimsun> oh?
[03:52] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: explain
[03:52] <Kyral> I think I can attend the next CC meeting :D
[03:53] <sistpoty> nothing serious... just to list parts I took from the patch not with * foobar but with indented - foobar
[03:53] <crimsun> ah
[03:53] <ajmitch_> makes sense, it's how I do things
[03:54] <ajmitch_> so you have * xyz
[03:54] <ajmitch_> & the - lining up under the x
[03:55] <sistpoty> yep... that's what I intended to do, but was too f*cking lazy *g*
[03:57] <ajmitch_> IronPython 0.9.5 on .NET 2.0.50727.42
[03:57] <ajmitch_> Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
[03:57] <ajmitch_> lovely
[03:57] <ajmitch_> compiled & runs on mono, now I can package it
[03:59] <sistpoty> *yawn* reviewing debdiffs is pretty exhausting :/
[04:00] <ajmitch_> no kidding
[04:00] <ajmitch_> managed to comment on a few on REVU?
[04:00] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: no, I'm walking the way through assigned merges
[04:01] <ajmitch_> ah
[04:01] <ajmitch_> those that have debdiffs
[04:02] <ajmitch_> all the zope-* ones won't ;)
[04:02] <ajmitch_> since I've yet to sit down with a strong drink
[04:02] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:02] <sistpoty> actually i only look at non-motu bugs ;)
[04:02] <ajmitch_> good
[04:37] <ajmitch_> yay, killed firefox on my box
[04:37] <Kyral> lol
[04:37] <Kyral> Epiphany!
[04:38] <Kyral> Does anyone know Lisp here?
[04:38] <ajmitch_> Kyral: this is on win XP ;)
[04:38] <sistpoty> Kyral: only scheme (lisp dialect) to some extent
[04:39] <Kyral> ah
[04:39] <Kyral> Next semester my project is going to be to write a couple of Emacs plugins
[04:39] <Kyral> and I was wondering how easy Lisp is to learn
[04:39] <lifeless> really depends how twisty your brain is
[04:40] <Kyral> ?
[04:41] <Kyral> howso?
[04:43] <sistpoty> StevenK: ntop uploaded :)
[04:44] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I have some questions for StevenK about module-assistant before you upload it
[04:44] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: ok
[04:45] <sistpoty> ajmitch_: but I won't upload any more stuff tonight anyways, as I really need some sleep
[04:45] <ajmitch_> heh ok :)
[04:45] <ajmitch_> sleep well
[04:45] <sistpoty> thx and good night
[04:50] <Kyral> hey LJ!
[04:50] <LaserJock> Hi Kyral
[04:51] <LaserJock> are you running dapper?
[04:51] <Kyral> Yah
[04:51] <LaserJock> I just did a reinstall of breezy and dist-upgrade to dapper.
[04:51] <Kyral> X broke horribly?
[04:51] <LaserJock> no, just gdm
[04:51] <Kyral> Ah
[04:52] <Kyral> X went to hell for me
[04:52] <LaserJock> I just ran startx and everything was fine
[04:52] <Kyral> NVidia Module is offline
[04:52] <LaserJock> except the kernel
[04:52] <LaserJock> Kyral: right
[04:52] <Kyral> and I can't compile a new one
[04:52] <LaserJock> what kernel are you running?
[04:53] <Kyral> 2.6.12-9-k7
[04:53] <LaserJock> I'm on 2.6.12-10-k7
[04:53] <Kyral> hmm
[04:53] <Kyral> I dunno
[04:53] <Kyral> the 2.6.15 is in the repos
[04:54] <LaserJock> I was wondering about whether I should do 2.6.15 or not
[04:54] <Kyral> I tried installing it on my laptop
[04:54] <Kyral> NDiswrapper went to heck
[04:54] <ajmitch_> obviously
[04:55] <Kyral> yah yah
[04:55] <ajmitch_> I think ndiswrapper might have been due to some kernel rearrangements w.r.t pci
[04:55] <Kyral> prolly
[04:55] <ajmitch_> nvidia module is just because there's no l-r-m
[04:55] <Kyral> I didn't try it
[04:55] <ajmitch_> & even after a windows reboot, firefox is still utterly broken
[04:55] <ajmitch_> yay :D
[04:55] <Kyral> I meant my NVidia module on 2.6.12-9 is hell
[04:55] <ajmitch_> aha
[04:56] <Kyral> And I can't compile a new one from the NVidia .run either
[04:56] <LaserJock> so can I build the nvidia module for 2.6.15?
[04:56] <ajmitch_> that's a pain
[04:56] <Kyral> somehow it can't find the kernel headers
[04:56] <ajmitch_> why can't you do that?
[04:56] <ajmitch_> heh
[04:56] <Kyral> which I have installed
[04:57] <Kyral> blah blah blah kernel.h doesn't exist
[04:57] <Kyral> when I verified that the file exists where it says it doesn't
[04:59] <Kyral> stupid thing :P
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, the only thing that I use my nvidia module for is America's Army, and I don't play that much anymore since I started hanging out around here
[05:00] <Kyral> Did X change where it looks for Modules?
[05:01] <minghua> 2.6.15-4.6 didn't work here, CPU lockup at pcmcia start-up
[05:01] <minghua> haven't tried the latest ones
[05:02] <Kyral> I could prolly recompile NDiswrapper
[05:02] <Kyral> But the NVidia Module and v4l confuse me
[05:03] <Kyral> they are in /usr/X11R6/lib instead of in /usr/lib/xorg like the rest of the modules
[05:11] <Kyral> Oh
[05:11] <Kyral> LJ
[05:12] <Kyral> .....
[06:28] <Kyral> LJ
[06:34] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[06:35] <Kyral> Looks like I will be able to make it to the CC meeting next tuesday
[06:35] <ajmitch_> good
[06:35] <ajmitch_> maybe you'll even have enough contributions for membership :)
[06:35] <chillywilly> hi
[06:35] <Kyral> lol
[06:35] <ajmitch_> hello chillywilly
[06:35] <LaserJock> sweet Kyral
[06:36] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: I hope so too
[06:36] <Kyral> Yah maybe someone should scan my wikipage lol
[06:36] <crimsun> url?
[06:37] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[06:38] <ajmitch_> it really doesn't list much in the way of contributions
[06:38] <Kyral> Yah I know
[06:38] <Kyral> most of my contributions come out of the Forums
[06:38] <ajmitch_> provide a bit of info on the teams & what you do in them
[06:39] <ajmitch_> try & get someone on the forums to support you at CC then
[06:39] <Kyral> I think I can get Nalioth...
[06:39] <crimsun> Kyral: also list the uploads that have been sponsored
[06:39] <Kyral> You mean Patches?
[06:40] <crimsun> well, the links to the relevant packages from dapper-changes
[06:40] <Kyral> I haven't affected Dapper Changes
[06:40] <Kyral> except XTerm
[06:40] <ajmitch_> ok..
[06:40] <ajmitch_> breezy?
[06:41] <Kyral> fixed a typo in vm...
[06:41] <ajmitch_> hm
[06:41] <Kyral> Like I said, most of it comes from support in the Forums
[06:41] <ajmitch_> the CC might want a bit more
[06:41] <Kyral> and advocating it locally
[06:42] <Kyral> I have two packages sitting in REVU...EasyChem should be ready to go
[06:43] <Kyral> FlowDesigner needs to be fixed...
[06:43] <ajmitch_> even so, the CC is harsh :)
[06:44] <Kyral> I know :D
[06:44] <ajmitch_> well mako likes to see sustained, significant contributions
[06:44] <Kyral> Jeez what do you think I do on the Forums
[06:45] <crimsun> Kyral: you don't seem to have linked to your UF profile, though
[06:45] <ajmitch_> that's great, but the CC needs to see that
[06:45] <Kyral> I dud
[06:45] <Kyral> did even
[06:45] <crimsun> ah, I see
[06:46] <crimsun> you'll definitely want at least two people to vouch for you from UF, then
[06:47] <ajmitch_> for MOTUs it seems to work best with at least 2 or 3
[06:48] <Kyral> Actually right now I'd like to see EasyChem get looked at before I applied for membershop
[06:49] <slomo> Kyral: i download it and look at it in the train ;) you'll get either a comment or a vote later today :)
[06:49] <Kyral> ty ty
[06:49] <crimsun> 'grats, slomo
[06:49] <ajmitch_> Kyral: you want gtkorphan archived?
[06:50] <slomo> crimsun: thanks :)
[06:50] <Kyral> ajmitch_: arhivied? Didn't the developer do it himself?
[06:50] <ajmitch_> sorry, removed from the list of active revu packages
[06:50] <Kyral> yah
[06:50] <slomo> Kyral: you may want to add a watchfile to easychem to allow easier updating in the future
[06:51] <Kyral> watchfile?
[06:51] <ajmitch_>  The main goal of EasyChem is the final quality of the drawings.  I just grabbed it from the description on GNOMEFIles
[06:53] <ajmitch_> part of being a packager is writing coherent descriptions
[06:53] <Kyral> Okay
[06:53] <ajmitch_> you put in a menu file, but not a desktop file?
[06:54] <Kyral> I'll fix it
[06:54] <Kyral> in the morning
[06:54] <Kyral> No icon for it yet. Do you have to have an icon for a desktop file?
[06:54] <ajmitch_> it would be nice
[06:55] <ajmitch_> I'm sure you could use the package to get a nice picture :)
[06:55] <Kyral> lol yah
[06:55] <Kyral> yah leave stuff like this in a comment and I'll fix it tomorrow
[06:55] <Kyral> its 0100 and I have class at 0900
[06:55] <Kyral> :P
[06:56] <ajmitch_> suck it up ;)
[06:56] <ajmitch_> you can't be a MOTU unless you can survive on < 4 hours sleep ;)
[06:56] <Kyral> Its called I want to come back so I still have free internet :P
[06:57] <ajmitch_> haha
[06:57] <Kyral> Do I not have a point? :P
[06:59] <ajmitch_> no
[06:59] <Kyral> meh :P
[06:59] <Kyral> anyway good night :D
[06:59] <ajmitch_> :)
[06:59] <ajmitch_> night
[07:14] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: good evening
[07:17] <crimsun> re daniel
[07:19] <dholbach> hey LaserJock, crimsun :)
[07:19] <ajmitch_> hey dholbach
[07:20] <dholbach> morning guys :)
[07:20] <jsgotangco> morning dholbach :)
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_: are you still going to LCA?
[07:28] <ajmitch_> yes
[07:28] <ajmitch_> it's only a few minutes walk from here
[07:28] <ajmitch_> & I'm registered for it
[07:28] <ajmitch_> are you thinking of coming?
[07:29] <jsgotangco> right i'm going to do some travel planning after i arrive from seoul, its in my list
[07:29] <ajmitch_> sabdfl is giving a keynote talk :)
[07:29] <jsgotangco> i need at least a place to stay...will check out the conference page tonight
[07:30] <jsgotangco> get 6 people to wear a shirt with each letter of SABDFL printed
[07:30] <ajmitch_> haha
[07:31] <dholbach> that should be easy... just tell them, that he wrote "I always shoot for fireworks during sex." in ubuntu bug 15284
[07:31] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #15284: Disturbing sounds in Skyrocket screensaver Product: Ubuntu, Component: rss-glx, Severity: normal, Assigned to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15284
[07:31] <jsgotangco> haha
[07:31] <ajmitch_> dholbach: get a tshirt printed up with his photo & that quote? ;)
[07:32] <dholbach> yeah, why not?
[07:32] <ajmitch_> present it to him as a gift
[07:33] <jsgotangco> try looking for a pic of him wagging his tongue
[07:33] <ajmitch_> heh
[07:33] <ajmitch_> we needed a photo of him with the liquid latex bottle
[07:34] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[07:37] <ajmitch_> hm, just found a scary photo of pitti
[07:39] <jsgotangco> dholbach: can we use the calendar for Accessibility Team in LP for meeting scheds?
[07:39] <dholbach> yeah
[07:40] <dholbach> i just set the mailing list as contact adress of the team
[07:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:40] <jsgotangco> err ML?
[07:40] <dholbach> ubuntu-accessibility@
[07:40] <ajmitch_> yes
[07:40] <ajmitch_> there are new mailing lists
[07:40] <ajmitch_> including a MOTU list!
[07:40] <ajmitch_> dholbach: is it meant for social, or semi-technical? :)
[07:40] <dholbach> both :)
[07:41] <jsgotangco> i didnt know there was a motu list already
[07:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:41] <ajmitch_> created today :)
[07:43] <jsgotangco> wow thats a lot of lists already
[08:09] <dholbach> hey lazy mono team, yes you: ajmitch, SloMoSnail, tseng: package DIVA - it was requested on the desktopTeam pages - is that better ajmitch? ;)
[08:09] <ajmitch_> haha
[08:09] <ajmitch_> lazy? us?
[08:09] <dholbach> sure ;)
[08:09] <dholbach> maybe not, when slomo helps you out
[08:09] <ajmitch_> pfft
[08:10] <dholbach> :-p
[08:10] <ajmitch_> hehe
[08:10] <ajmitch_> I do package things sometime
[08:12] <ajmitch_> having a release of diva somewhere would be nice to
[08:14] <dholbach> yeah
[08:16] <jsgotangco> diva?
[08:17] <dholbach> http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?diva
[08:20] <jsgotangco> thanks
[08:20] <jsgotangco> oh yeah ive heard of this...
[08:32] <siretart> morning
[08:33] <dholbach> hey siretart
[08:33] <siretart> hey dholbach!
[08:34] <siretart> dholbach: nice job on our new mailling list!
[08:34] <dholbach> merci beaucoup :)
[08:35] <sivang> morning all
[08:35] <siretart> hey sivang
[08:36] <siretart> okay
[08:36] <siretart> shall we start an introduction round? ;)
[08:36] <dholbach> sounds good
[08:36] <sivang> dholbach: ubuntu-motu list?
[08:36] <dholbach> yep
[08:37] <sivang> cool
[08:39] <siretart> WOW!
[08:40] <siretart> who did the new usplash artwork?
[08:41] <dholbach> guess it was mjg59
[08:44] <siretart> :)
[08:45] <siretart> dholbach: do you use dapper on your notebook? do you have an radeon in it?
[08:45] <dholbach> i use dapper on my notebook, but have a i810
[08:45] <ajmitch_> hey siretart
[08:46] <ajmitch_> how are you this morning/
[08:46] <siretart> ajmitch_: a bit tired, got up too early, but I'm fine.
[08:46] <siretart> ajmitch_: how are you?
[08:46] <ajmitch_> I'm good :)
[08:46] <siretart> great! :)
[08:46] <ajmitch_> an introduction round might be good once a few people are signed up to the list
[08:46] <siretart> agreed
[08:47] <siretart> hm, this gamin bug seem still to be around bugging gnome-panel
[08:47] <dholbach> they can read the archives, no? :)
[08:47] <dholbach> how can we register it with gmane?
[08:47] <ajmitch_> nor have I logged out of gnome :)
[08:47] <hunger__> Are there instructions on how to package something out of a version controll tool?
[08:48] <ajmitch_> no, but you generally use the export feature of that tool
[08:48] <ajmitch_> eg make a snapshot by cvs export
[08:48] <dholbach> yeah, then run ./autogen.sh && make dist and you have a nice tarball
[08:48] <dholbach> (depending on what you package)
[08:48] <siretart> dholbach: gmane subscribing is easy
[08:48] <hunger> ajmitch_: So I manually create a tarball?
[08:48] <sivang> don't fight guys :)
[08:48] <dholbach> siretart: can you do that for ubuntu-motu?
[08:48] <abelcheung> isn't it make distcheck instead?
[08:48] <ajmitch_> hunger: make dist will do it
[08:48] <siretart> dholbach: I think they even have an webinterface where you can request a list to be added
[08:48] <siretart> dholbach: okay, I'm on it
[08:48] <ajmitch_> abelcheung: that runs checks as well
[08:49] <dholbach> siretart: i will do it for the accessibility list
[08:49] <hunger> So how do I stick my stuff into a revision control tool?
[08:49] <ajmitch_> but lewing promised a release soon
[08:49] <ajmitch_> bzr init; bzr add; bzr commit 'm'Importing'
[08:49] <ajmitch_> ;)
[08:49] <hunger> ajmitch_: That sucky buildsystem of upstream does not have make dist
[08:49] <ajmitch_> s/'m/-m/
[08:50] <hunger> ajmitch: Do I include the upstream code? I guess not.
[08:50] <ajmitch_> siretart: new artwork is hardcoded in the usplash package
[08:50] <siretart> dholbach: do you want all email adresses shown in the gmane archives to be encrypted?
[08:50] <siretart> ajmitch_: ah, I see
[08:50] <ajmitch_> siretart: so I didn't have to reboot to see it :)
[08:50] <dholbach> siretart: encrypted?
[08:51] <siretart> dholbach: like this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:51] <siretart> dholbach: so that the archives don't need to expose the real adresses
[08:51] <dholbach> hrm, don't they have stuff like "<siretart at ubuntu dot com>"? :)
[08:52] <siretart> dholbach: doesn't look like
[08:52] <dholbach> ah ok, but it seems to be ok
[08:52] <dholbach> you can still receive mails like that
[08:52] <siretart> ok. no encryption then
[08:53] <siretart> I don't care. I have spam filters ;)
[08:53] <dholbach> maybe we should toggle it on... hm, dunno
[08:54] <siretart> ok
[08:55] <dholbach> gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.motu?
[08:55] <siretart> jepp
[08:55] <siretart> A request to subscribe<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been sent to the Gmane administrators.
[08:55] <ajmitch_> better to get stuff going on the list rather than killing threads on irc ;)
[08:56] <dholbach> desktop list added as well
[08:56] <ajmitch_> yay
[08:57] <dholbach> accessibility list added as well
[08:58] <dholbach> rocknroll
[09:00] <ajmitch_> we need more people that just siretart & myself posting to the motu list :)
[09:04] <lucas> I'll post a "motutools status update" later today
[09:04] <lucas> I have to write it first :)
[09:04] <siretart> lucas: that would be awesome!
[09:04] <zakame> hi all :)
[09:05] <ajmitch_> hey new motu!
[09:05] <dholbach> :)
[09:05] <jsgotangco> hey motu zakame
[09:05] <zakame> hello motus! :)
[09:05] <dholbach> should we have the list announce on fridge too?
[09:06] <ajmitch_> yes!
[09:06] <siretart> good idea!
[09:06] <dholbach> righto
[09:06] <siretart> perhaps with a little explainations whats ontopic on the list and whats not
[09:06] <dholbach> sent it out
[09:06] <ajmitch_> a list charter
[09:07] <dholbach> to devel-announce and fridge-devel :)
[09:07] <zakame> yeah, go go go! :)
[09:07] <dholbach> which are both moderated ;)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> is the list limited to motus or slackers can join?
[09:18] <siretart> jsgotangco: everyone is invited!
[09:18] <siretart> jsgotangco: everyone who wants to chatter with motus ;)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> or bug for support
[09:19] <dholbach> jsgotangco: there's no difference between motus and slackers ;)
[09:19] <ajmitch_> we have malone for that :)
[09:19] <ajmitch_> well malone for bugs
[09:19] <ajmitch_> support tracker for support
[09:19] <siretart> jsgotangco: what kind of support? If you need advice in package, then thats the right list for you
[09:19] <siretart> in packaging, that is
[09:20] <raphink> by list, do you mean the room here, or are you talking about a ML ?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> raphink: ML
[09:20] <zakame> maling list
[09:20] <zakame> este mailing
[09:20] <ajmitch_> if you need advice on which beer to drink, that list is the right place also
[09:20] <raphink> ok
[09:20] <zakame> w00t
[09:20] <raphink> what's the url of the list?
[09:20] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: that's another reason to come to LCA
[09:21] <dholbach> raphink: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[09:21] <raphink> ok :)
[09:22] <raphink> how about launchpad teams?
[09:22] <ajmitch_> raphink: hm?
[09:22] <raphink> I'm trying to understand that better
[09:22] <ajmitch_> which teams?
[09:22] <raphink> what launchpad team might a packager who is not a MOTU join?
[09:22] <dholbach> motu?
[09:22] <dholbach> err
[09:22] <dholbach> no
[09:23] <dholbach> not motu yet :)
[09:23] <raphink> hehe I guess ;)
[09:23] <ajmitch_> depends if you need to be part of a team :)
[09:23] <ajmitch_> since there are a number of smaller teams which have focus
[09:24] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: you're a travelling international celebrity though
[09:24] <siretart> galeon seems to have problems with my java plugin..
[09:24] <siretart> but it has potential to get rid of firefox
[09:24] <raphink> :)
[09:24] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: you're away to korea tomorrow?
[09:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:25] <raphink> konqueror is enough for me to get rid of FF
[09:25] <ajmitch_> siretart: I use galeon for 99% of my web browsing at home
[09:25] <jsgotangco> thank god belutz will be able to cover jakarta
[09:25] <siretart> ajmitch_: I get INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: JavaPluginFactory5 init - no agent?
[09:25] <siretart> on start. any idea?
[09:25] <ajmitch_> siretart: I try not to use java :)
[09:26] <siretart> ajmitch_: right. thats a good idea. the problem is, I need it :(
[09:26] <ajmitch_> yeah..
[09:26] <ajmitch_> I think the bug is filed somewhere
[09:26] <siretart> ah, known bug. sure thing.
[09:27] <siretart> I think I will use epiphany for now and switch to galeon 2.0 when I upgrade to dapper :)
[09:27] <ajmitch_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/galeon/+bug/3747
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3747: galeon fails to start if j2re-1.4 is installed In: galeon (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Ubuntu GNOME Team, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/3747
[09:27] <ajmitch_> see the last comments
[09:27] <zakame> hm, is there something wrong with docbook-dsssl? muttprint ftbfs :(
[09:28] <siretart> ajmitch_: wow. how obvious. thanks a lot!
[09:30] <crimsun> lock-step build-dep fuckage != fun.
[09:30] <siretart> galeon looks impressive
[09:30] <crimsun> rebuilding gdal so that I can upload a fixed openscenegraph so that I can upload osgcal
[09:31] <ajmitch_> siretart: galeon will be moving back towards the epiphany codebase
[09:31] <ajmitch_> which is ironic, as epiphany was the original fork iirc
[09:33] <dholbach> yeah
[09:33] <ajmitch_> egcs vs gcc again :)
[09:35] <siretart> hm. galeon seems to render launchpad differently
[09:36] <ajmitch_> siretart: it shouldn't
[09:37] <siretart> ajmitch_: perhaps just different fontset
[09:41] <ajmitch_> http://www.livejournal.com/users/jdthood/1967.html
[09:41] <ajmitch_> ouch :)
[09:42] <crimsun> ouch indeed
[09:46] <dholbach> could we have a link on wiki/REVU to wiki/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy to explain its purpose?
[09:46] <ajmitch_> yes
[09:47] <ajmitch_> is UniverseNewPackages up to date?
[09:47] <dholbach> hey Tonio_
[09:47] <ajmitch_> if not, should we pull it off the wiki
[09:47] <dholbach> ajmitch_: we should link to it too
[09:47] <ajmitch_> since we collect a lot of stale pages
[09:47] <Tonio_> hi everyone :)
[09:48] <ajmitch_> hi Tonio_
[09:48] <zakame> hello Tonio_ :)
[09:48] <dholbach> ajmitch_: there need to be some stuff added
[09:49] <ajmitch_> do we want to keep maintaining that page?
[09:49] <ajmitch_> or use the list that utnubu has?
[09:50] <siretart> ajmitch_: I think they only have packages which already are in ubuntu, have they?
[09:50] <dholbach> if we'd use it, then we didnt have to maintain that page
[09:51] <ajmitch_> siretart: that's what UniverseNewPackages is meant to be
[09:51] <ajmitch_> packages that are in ubuntu, but not debian
[09:51] <Tonio_> dholbach: I need to ask elmo what happened to pwmanager package...
[09:51] <dholbach> Tonio_: yeah
[09:51] <siretart> ajmitch_: I see
[09:52] <Tonio_> dholbach: what's the best way to ask/find him ?
[09:52] <Tonio_> mail or irc ?
[09:52] <siretart> ajmitch_: do you have a link to the utnubu list handy?
[09:52] <ajmitch_> oh man, debian is about to start some fun xlibs-dev transitions
[09:52] <siretart> ajmitch_: FINALLY!
[09:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: just try it on irc, if he doesn't respond, mail him
[09:53] <ajmitch_> http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/missing-packages
[09:53] <ajmitch_> this includes stuff removed from debian
[09:53] <ajmitch_> that we haven't removed yet
[09:53] <Tonio_> dholbach: okay... I know the ubuntu people have LOTS to do, so I dont want to disturb... "arriver comme un cheveu sur la soupe" as we say in french
[09:54] <siretart> ajmitch_: that missing-packages isnt that clear
[09:54] <ajmitch_> Tonio_: that blackhole package?
[09:54] <ajmitch_> siretart: I know
[09:54] <ajmitch_> but it could be a start for something we can use
[09:54] <siretart> ajmitch_: perhaps we could do some grep-dctrl magic to get a nicer list updated regulary via cron on tiber
[09:54] <dholbach> Tonio_: no, that's not that bad :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> ajmitch, yep, the only package that disapears when uploaded....
[09:54] <siretart> cool
[09:55] <ajmitch_> but it's fairly trivial with grep-dctrl & some python
[09:56] <ajmitch_> I just need to do them now
[09:56] <ajmitch_> siretart: this list also includes apt-get.org junk
[09:57] <zakame> woo
[10:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: success?
[10:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: with ?
[10:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: with my personnal problems ?
[10:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, with 3.5
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ;) yes, like a charm ;)
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: still the ivman problem
[10:10] <Riddell> KDE.  more reliabl than girls.
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: definitly
[10:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does grep ivman /usr/bin/startkde  give you?
[10:11] <Tonio_> tonio@Kubuntu:~$ grep ivman /usr/bin/startkde
[10:11] <Tonio_> # Kubuntu uses ivman for volume manager
[10:11] <Tonio_> if [ -x /usr/bin/ivman ] ; then
[10:11] <Tonio_>     /usr/bin/ivman -s --nofork &
[10:11] <Tonio_> tonio@Kubuntu:~$
[10:11] <Tonio_> third machine upgraded, so I assume this might be a general little issue
[10:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's not the startkde from kde 3.5 then
[10:12] <Tonio_> hum.............
[10:12] <Riddell> ksmserver is the package
[10:13] <Tonio_> let me check if I got it installed
[10:13] <ajmitch_> Riddell: stuff still needs rebuilt for libstdc++ changes?
[10:13] <ajmitch_> Riddell: I'd hate to have to remove kde packages so that I can upgrade gnome :)
[10:13] <Riddell> ajmitch_: yep, quite a bit will be needing rebuilt
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have it installed, last version
[10:14] <ajmitch_> Riddell: anything us mere mortals can help with? :)
[10:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: spooky, breezy or dapper?
[10:14] <ajmitch_> or do you have a specific order of rebuilds there?
[10:14] <Riddell> ajmitch_: rebuilding universe please
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: breezy of course
[10:14] <Riddell> ajmitch_: no paticular order
[10:14] <Tonio_> tonio@Kubuntu:~$ dpkg -l | grep ksmserver
[10:14] <Tonio_> ii  ksmserver                              3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1                session manager for KDE
[10:14] <Riddell> ajmitch_: but see the note on KubuntuPackageGuide about adding .pot support (it's not possible with all packages but it's nice)
[10:15] <ajmitch_> Riddell: right, I don't want to break kde in main too badly :)
[10:15] <Riddell> Tonio_: must be a problem with the breezy packages then, I'll try and fix that sometime when I'm not in the middle of the world's busyest airport
[10:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume it is yes... According to what I know other people have the same problem
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: travelling actually ?
[10:16] <Riddell> ajmitch_: just mind if it doesn't already have an ubuntuX version number and it doesn't need any changes to give it a build1 version number not ubuntu1
[10:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[10:16] <Riddell> OSDL desktop conference
[10:16] <ajmitch_> Riddell: I'm aware of that one :)
[10:17] <ajmitch_> having been a MOTU for a few months has rubbed off
[10:17] <Riddell> ajmitch_: then rebuild!
[10:17] <ajmitch_> :)
[10:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice ;)
[10:40] <ajmitch_> hey \sh
[10:41] <zakame> hello \sh
[10:41] <ajmitch_> ok, sleep time, see you tomorrow :)
[10:42] <\sh> moins
[10:42] <\sh> cu ajmitch
[10:43] <sivang> moins \sh , 'sup?
[10:43] <zakame> bye ajmitch
[10:43] <\sh> zakame: checking your syncs now
[10:46] <zakame> ooh! :)
[10:46] <siretart> hey \sh
[10:47] <\sh> moins siretart how are you? :)
[10:49] <siretart> \sh: fine, and you?
[10:49] <\sh> siretart: tired and a little bit pissed of my company here
[10:50] <zakame> awww
[10:50] <siretart> \sh: oh. about this schnitzel?
[10:50] <\sh> siretart: no..about not knowing who has to go at the end of the year
[10:51] <siretart> \sh: :(
[10:54] <\sh> siretart: it's not a nice working situation right now in this office...we're all very "confused" and the pressure is raising
[10:55] <siretart> \sh: I can imagine
[10:57] <magnon> howdy siretart and \sh
[10:58] <siretart> hey magnon!
[10:58] <\sh> zakame: oh well...right now you are allowed to request syncs
[10:58] <\sh> zakame: you're a motu :)
[10:59] <\sh> zakame: I just forgot to mention it :)
[10:59] <zakame> \sh: oh, cool! :)
[10:59] <siretart> magnon: I think we are making good progress on the jack transition. most of that is catched by our merging work
[10:59] <zakame> \sh: btw, how do I know if my GPG key has been added to the keyring? I got an autoreply from rt...
[11:00] <slomo> Kyral: are you there?
[11:00] <magnon> oh good
[11:00] <\sh> zakame: what autoreply?
[11:00] <magnon> my laptop is still not back *raises fist at apple*
[11:01] <zakame> \sh: that my message to keyring has been added to a request tracker
[11:01] <\sh> zakame: ah...then you will get a message when elmo add you to the keyring
[11:02] <zakame> ok :D  I'll wait :)
[11:03] <\sh> zakame: but you can start to request syncs...
[11:03] <zakame> I will, starting with...
[11:03] <slomo> \sh: in fact i requested syncs before i was approved as a motu ;)
[11:04] <\sh> slomo: then elmo wasn't paying attention or he trusted you ;)
[11:05] <\sh> hmm..fixing now old ftbfs and uploading missing packages
[11:06] <slomo> Kyral: you have a comment for easychem... just notify me when you fixed it :)
[11:09] <\sh> wow.
[11:10] <\sh> this year the compensations are taxfree, if it's max. 8.5K EUR
[11:10] <\sh> (when you get fired)
[11:10] <slomo> ok, i'll get some food ;) bbl
[11:11] <\sh> next year we have to pay the full bloat of tax (20 or 25%) on the complete ammount
[11:11] <\sh> so lets get fired this year.
[11:13] <zakame> there, just made my first sync request :)
[11:13] <\sh> debian unstable
[11:14] <zakame> ah, not just from debian
[11:26] <zakame> bbl
[11:28] <siretart> where did usr/include/X11/XKBlib.h go in dapper?
[11:28] <siretart> it doesn't seem to be in libx11-dev anymore
[11:29] <dholbach> /var/lib/dpkg/info/libx11-dev.list:/usr/include/X11/XKBlib.h
[11:30] <siretart> hmmm
[11:54] <siretart> this libflash package is annoying..
[12:18] <siretart> damn. libflash has another orig.gz in dapper than in unstable :/
[12:20] <dholbach> nice :)
[12:21] <siretart> well, anyway. lets go on with the debian package but with the ubuntu orig.gz. *shrug*
[12:26] <siretart> libflash uploaded.. finally
[12:27] <dholbach> rock'n'roll
[12:27] <dholbach> :)
[12:38] <tseng> dholbach: !
[12:38] <tseng> dholbach: yeah, diva is cool
[12:38] <tseng> good morning :)
[12:40] <dholbach> tseng: rock! :)
[12:40] <StevenK> ajmitch_?
[12:48] <siretart> diva?
[12:48] <dholbach> http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?diva
[12:49] <siretart> wow!
[12:49] <siretart> new killer app?
[12:51] <tseng> yes
[12:53] <viviersf> ok
[01:20] <siretart> dholbach: re: the email on utnubu-discuss: I think the guy was searching for someone to package his software. Thats why I didn't point him to  revu
[01:21] <desplesda> has firefox 1.5 hit dapper yet, or is that still getting packaged?
[01:22] <dholbach> siretart: oh well... :)
[01:22] <azeem> desplesda: packages.ubuntu.com will tell you
[01:22] <desplesda> azeem:  oh, of course, oops :P
[01:22] <siretart> azeem: I read you are co maintaining the sbuild package, is that correct?
[01:23] <desplesda> fantastic, it is
[01:23] <azeem> siretart: yes
[01:24] <siretart> azeem: perhaps you can explain me: I'm a bit confused why there is a debian sbuild package without buildd support and no buildd/wanna-build package at all
[01:24] <azeem> siretart: the sbuild is a very old fork of the w-b code
[01:24] <siretart> azeem: wouldn't it be reasonable to have a wanna-build source package producing wanna-build, buildd and sbuild, following upstream?
[01:24] <azeem> s/sbuild/sbuild package in unstable/
[01:25] <siretart> azeem: but I read roger has merged most pending patches from ryan
[01:25] <azeem> siretart: yes, but there is still a history of several years of split development prior to neuro maintaining w-b in svn
[01:25] <azeem> however, development was pretty slow
[01:26] <azeem> siretart: the idea is to merge with "upstream", yes
[01:26] <siretart> azeem: so whats the plan regarding wanna-build and build?
[01:26] <azeem> siretart: personally, I am not very interested in stepping on neuros toes again.  I think the other two co-maintainers wanted to do that
[01:27] <azeem> siretart: in any case, the packages provided by db.debian.org work reasonably well for setting up buildds, IMO
[01:28] <siretart> azeem: I assume you intend uploading a new sbuild package in unstable soon, no?
[01:28] <azeem> siretart: I gues we will, once Roger has finished merging for the moment, yeah
[01:29] <siretart> azeem: I'd like to have an sbuild package in dapper which is able to build packages in ubuntu chroots as well
[01:29] <siretart> azeem: would you accept such a patch in the debian package?
[01:29] <azeem> siretart: I think we removed that check?
[01:29] <siretart> you did?
[01:29] <siretart> then I must have been using a really really old version
[01:30] <azeem>    * sbuild: Removed check for specific distributions. Instead, fail if
[01:30] <azeem>      build/chroot-$dist is not there.
[01:30] <azeem>  sbuild  (0.35) unstable; urgency=low
[01:30] <siretart> ok
[01:30] <azeem> I'd consider it a regression if you cannot build in Ubuntu chroots
[01:31] <siretart> ok. then I'll wait for the new upload to unstable and will test again
[01:32] <azeem> siretart: do you need buildd/wanna-build packages for something specific, or did you just wonder why they were not there?
[01:33] <siretart> azeem: I'm considering setting up a wanna-build/buildd setup for personal purposes
[01:35] <siretart> and I might need it for my master thesis
[01:36] <azeem> whoa :)
[01:36] <azeem> I assume you saw http://www.us.debian.org/devel/buildd/setting-up ?
[01:37] <siretart> yes, this is the cheat-sheet from aba, isn't it? ;)
[01:39] <azeem> yeah, put into shape by Yoe for www.d.o, I believe
[01:40] <azeem> siretart: you don't necessarily need w-b, btw.  If you just want to build a large number of packages, putting a properly formatted list into ~buildd/build/REDO will suffice
[01:40] <siretart> azeem: ah. good to know. thanks
[01:41] <bojan> hi everyone!
[01:41] <dholbach> hey bojan
[01:42] <siretart> azeem: I have an offer to do a master thesis on porting ubuntu (or debian, they don't mind) to powerpc-uclibc using crosscompiling
[01:42] <bojan> i finally found out how to access irc best from windows ;)
[01:43] <siretart> azeem: the powerpc board they are using is a very slow one, but equipped with a big fpga chip on it, which is their main research area
[01:43] <azeem> cool
[01:43] <azeem> siretart: I guess this will be restricted to main, or maybe even ubuntu-minimal?
[01:44] <siretart> but they still cannot even boot linux :/ (they are having bad problems with the bootloader)
[01:44] <azeem> or other words, has there been any greater effort to port packages to uclibc
[01:44] <siretart> azeem: I'd start with ubunut-minimal, and see how far I can get for the thesis
[01:45] <siretart> azeem: the long term goal would be of course a larger set of packages, basically the microUbuntu project
[01:46] <siretart> azeem: and I know there is some work ongoing in doing a i386-uclibc port in debian
[01:46] <azeem> yeah, so I heard.  Never saw any actual patches though, but I did not look hard, either
[01:46] <azeem> (and do not maintain any obvious porting targets)
[01:47] <siretart> he has some patches to binutils. his plan is to bootstrap the complete toolchain to the new target
[01:48] <siretart> as he wants to run a real x86 debian buildd having a uclibc and doing the crosscompiling on the big machine itself
[01:48] <siretart> I need to evaluate if this is an option at all for me
[01:48] <siretart> (of course using a G4 or G5)
[01:52] <Kyral> Mornin'
[02:14] <\sh> meeting
[02:16] <dholbach> \sh: which meeting?
[02:16] <zakame> evening all :)
[02:20] <zakame> hm, is there a way to change the destination addy of my @ubuntu.com addy? :)
[02:21] <crimsun> yes, change your primary launchpad-verified e-mail
[02:29] <zakame> oh, just that? :) how long before this gets activated? :)
[02:30] <crimsun> within the hour iirc
[02:31] <zakame> I was asking because my spunge email went down :( so I'm rerouting to gmail... thanks :)
[02:51] <bojan> can someone provide me information about merges and c++ allocator change? i would like to support this projects.
[02:52] <lucas> /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:52] <lucas> oops
[02:52] <lucas> /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:52] <zakame> bojan: err, there was doko 's mail on -devel about the c2a transition
[02:52] <lucas> rah
[02:52] <lucas> /join #ubuntu-devel
[02:52] <lucas> shit
[02:52] <lucas> :-)
[02:52] <siretart> bojan: what kind of information do you need?
[02:52] <siretart> bojan: besides of doko's announcement?
[02:53] <lucas> strange xchat behaviour ...
[02:53] <bojan> siretart: i would like to know how to help.
[02:53] <dholbach> bojan: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013025.html
[02:54] <siretart> bojan: no problem. read dokos announcement, claim your package here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new, use our lpbugs.py script to create a malone bug, and read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewers
[02:54] <bojan> dholbach, siretart: thx
[02:56] <siretart> bojan: the lpbugs.py script can be found here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/motu-tools
[03:26] <siretart> yay. we hit the 200 packages mark!
[03:27] <zakame> oooh!
[03:27] <lucas> siretart: 200 packages on ?
[03:28] <siretart> lucas: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new
[03:28] <zakame> yay!
[03:28] <siretart> grab your packages today, they might be gone soon ;)
[03:31] <crimsun> hmm.
[03:31] <crimsun> several of those are actually already assigned to me
[03:31] <crimsun> xerces2*, for instance
[03:32] <crimsun> I'll go through them in a bit
[03:33] <siretart> crimsun: do you use our lpbugs.py script to claim these packages?
[03:33] <siretart> if not, please do
[03:34] <crimsun> siretart: nope, I've been by-handing because of limited system access
[03:37] <siretart> crimsun: the thing is that sistpoty installed scripts parsing traffic on universe-bugs@ to mark those packages assigned in our postgresql
[03:37] <siretart> crimsun: so please be careful about the subject lines
[03:37] <crimsun> siretart: yep
[03:38] <crimsun> it wouldn't be such an issue if I could bypass the entire smtp requirement, since both my pbuilder and my uni have closed off outgoing tcp/25 for _any_ machine
[03:40] <crimsun> still...200 is a fine achievement
[03:42] <siretart> crimsun: at university, I also have firewalled smtp
[03:42] <siretart> crimsun: there I do some iptables and ssh tunneling magic to reach my smtp
[03:42] <crimsun> yeah, I suppose I should work on that this afternoon
[04:03] <Kyral> hey all
[04:03] <zakame> hello Kyral
[04:04] <Kyral> sup?
[04:04] <zakame> dealing with a broken email server :(
[04:04] <Kyral> ah
[04:04] <Kyral> I tried the 2.6.15 kernel package
[04:05] <Kyral> It doesn't create an Initrd for itself >_<
[04:07] <Kyral> anyone know how to use dpatch? lol
[04:07] <slomo> Kyral: if you have any questions regarding my comments feel free to ask me ;) but the answer can take some time, i'm only partially here
[04:08] <Kyral> Yah I have no idea how to use DPatch :D
[04:08] <slomo> Kyral: look at a package which already uses dpatch ;) say... monodevelop for example
[04:08] <Kyral> I will prolly make an icon out of the package itself, but I am not at my computer (SSHing from my laptop :D)
[04:08] <Kyral> Or....mmm, are the icons on GNOMEFiles GPL?
[04:09] <slomo> partially
[04:09] <Kyral> hmm
[04:10] <Kyral> if the icon that they use for EasyChem is GPL I can use that right?
[04:10] <azeem> EasyChem should just ship one if it pretends to be a GTK application
[04:10] <Kyral> It doesn't
[04:11] <Kyral> and I can't make sense of the homepage (Its in something I don't understand lol)
[04:11] <azeem> there's an english homepage
[04:11] <Kyral> there is? LOL I must have missed it
[04:11] <azeem> http://easychem.sourceforge.net/
[04:11] <azeem> but honestly, the user interface looks even worse than chemtool
[04:12] <Kyral> I must have been thnking of another package then
[04:13] <crimsun> hmm
[04:13] <Kyral> slomo: I will ping you when I fix it mkay?
[04:14] <slomo> sure
[04:15] <Kyral> In reality I should get this pushed through before I go for Membership :D
[04:18] <crimsun> Would a main uploader take a look at http://sh.nu/~crimsun/fuse/fuse_2.4.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes and upload please?
[04:20] <ogra> crimsun, yup
[04:20] <ogra> looks fine to me
[04:21] <crimsun> ogra: thanks!
[04:22] <Yagisan> crimsun: the backport of gmailfs, python-libgmail and python-fuse from sid worked fine
[04:22] <crimsun> Yagisan: ok, thanks
[04:22] <Yagisan> crimsun: python-fuse needs some minor tweaks to depend on python > 2.4
[04:22] <crimsun> ok, will merge then.
[04:23] <ogra> crimsun, done
[04:23] <crimsun> ogra: thanks again :)
[04:23] <Yagisan> crimsun: thank you. It will be nice to have gmailfs still working in dapper :)
[04:24] <Yagisan> crimsun: may want to merge encfs too, it's a gmail suggests, and it backported fine, with dappers fuse
[04:25] <crimsun> will have to test with new fuse once it's available on $ARCHes
[04:25] <siretart> crimsun: again clash on xpuzzles
[04:26] <siretart> ;)
[04:27] <Kyral> So what exactly does a watchfile do? Just tell me when there is a new release?
[04:27] <Yagisan> crimsun: I built against fuse 2.4.1 ok
[04:29] <siretart> crimsun: same for xmpi, but I'd rather have requested a sync instead of merging
[04:33] <slomo> Kyral: yes, and downloading the tarball for you and it can run uupdate on it... so almost no work for updating to a new version ;)
[04:33] <siretart> damn. quite a lot of packages :(
[04:33] <Kyral> so its a cronjob?
[04:33] <slomo> Kyral: no... you have to run it manually
[04:33] <siretart> crimsun: please please pretty please check that your claimed packages are really marked on sistpotys site
[04:34] <crimsun> siretart: I will do that shortly; I have a presentation in a few minutes
[04:34] <Kyral> ah
[04:35] <Kyral> so take care of everything else first :P
[04:35] <Kyral> How should a ManPage for an X app go..
[04:35] <slomo> Kyral: well, this is something you can do in < 1 minute (uscan)
[04:35] <slomo> Kyral: look at my cowbell manpage for example...
[04:37] <Kyral> ah
[04:38] <Kyral> now for uscan can I just rip the part about "if your package is on SourceForge" part and change the bits to my package?
[04:38] <slomo> try it
[04:38] <Kyral> I also don't know how to write a manpage ;P
[04:39] <slomo> look at my cowbell package for an example
[04:39] <Kyral> I know, but like the syntax
[04:39] <slomo> it's simple xml (docbook) which is converted to a manpage through xslt at build-time
[04:40] <Kyral> and I just need to find the Docbook documentation :D
[04:40] <slomo> look at the xml sources of the cowbell manpage ;) you should learn enough to create your own manpage
[04:43] <Seveas> hmm, wrinting manpages in xml
[04:43] <Seveas> shiver
[04:47] <Kyral> hmm
[04:47] <Kyral> EasyChem doesn't have any options lol
[04:50] <slomo> Seveas: easier than writing them in nroff ;)
[04:51] <slomo> Kyral: then leave out the options part and only do the rest ;)
[04:51] <jamessan|work> then I don't have to worry about the converter messing things up
[04:51] <Kyral> So basically a glorified control :P
[04:51] <slomo> ogra: if you're taking docbook-sgml or -xml isn't a big difference ;)
[04:52] <ogra> yup
[04:52] <Kyral> so Refentry is just who wrote the manpage?
[04:53] <slomo> Refentry?
[04:53] <Kyral> the refentry tag
[04:53] <Kyral> that section
[04:54] <slomo> Kyral: refentry is the whole manpage
[04:54] <Kyral> Ah
[04:55] <Kyral> so refentryinfo is the part that is about who wrote it
[04:55] <slomo> yes
[04:55] <Kyral> I should write a Docbook Emacs mode :P
[04:57] <Kyral> Now what is this about Manvolnum?
[04:58] <slomo> that's the section of the manpage
[04:58] <Kyral> ???
[04:58] <Kyral> I always see the numbers but I have no clue what they mean
[04:59] <slomo> put it in 1 ;)
[04:59] <siretart> Riddell: around?
[04:59] <siretart> Riddell: are you okay with syncing superkaramba from unstable?
[05:03] <Kyral> Is it alright to just cut and paste the Long Desc from control into the Description for the manpage?
[05:04] <slomo> sure... but first correct the description ;)
[05:04] <Kyral> I rewrote the first paragraph :P
[05:06] <Kyral> This is fun, learning how to write manpages :D
[05:12] <Kyral> I hope you don't mind me using your cowbell manpage as a template
[05:13] <Kyral> 'cept should I put down Ubuntu Linux instead of "Debian system"
[05:16] <slomo> no, just use it as a template :)
[05:16] <siretart> \sh: may I reassign sdcv to you?
[05:16] <siretart> \sh: you updated it in breezy to new upstream version. now debian has a different orig.tar.gz, and MoM output is highly confusing
[05:20] <Kyral> Now that I have it written
[05:20] <Kyral> ls
[05:20] <Kyral> whoops wrong window lol
[05:20] <Kyral> How do I get it installed?
[05:21] <Kyral> Or will dh_installman take care of it?
[05:22] <slomo> look at the rules file of my cowbell package for an example ;)
[05:22] <slomo> you have everything you need to know on your hdd :P
[05:22] <Kyral> badly formatted changelog...
[05:22] <Kyral> trailer line
[05:23] <Kyral> wtf...
[05:25] <\sh> siretart: do it :)
[05:25] <\sh> siretart: directly please
[05:25] <siretart> \sh: no, I want YOU to do it ;)
[05:25] <\sh> siretart: yes...assign it directly to me :)
[05:27] <\sh> sdcv? hmm...i don't find a bug about it...
[05:27] <\sh> grmpf
[05:29] <Kyral> PBuilding, just to see if the manpage works :D
[05:29] <siretart> \sh: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/5231\
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5231: sdcv: merge new debian version In: sdcv (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5231
[05:34] <\sh> siretart: can you send me the katie output to my email address?
[05:34] <siretart> \sh: what katie output?
[05:34] <\sh> siretart: you said it has a different orig.tar.gz
[05:35] <\sh> siretart: oh i see
[05:36] <bojan> see you later, guys
[05:36] <Kyral> gah...
[05:36] <\sh> siretart: i'll do it this evening
[05:37] <siretart> thnx
[05:47] <Kyral> Well this is fun
[05:47] <Kyral> slomo: I copied the command to install the manpage from cowbell's rules
[05:48] <Kyral> but it fails saying /usr/bin/xsltproc doesn't exist in PBuilder
[05:48] <slomo> the command is for converting the docbook to a real manpage... you have to install it with dh_installman afterwards
[05:48] <slomo> look at the control file and the build-depends
[05:48] <slomo> at least xsltproc and docbook-xml are needed iirc
[05:49] <Kyral> ah lol
[05:49] <Kyral> I got docbook-xml
[05:49] <Kyral> but not the other lol
[05:51] <Kyral> Gah...
[05:52] <Kyral> Its writing out the thing, and dh_installman is being called...does it need to be called in the install target?
[05:53] <slomo> you have to give dh_installman the generated file
[05:54] <slomo> otherwise it's not installed
[05:54] <Kyral> thats why you have a variable set up top eh?
[05:54] <slomo> but that only works for cdbs
[05:54] <Kyral> oh
[05:54] <Kyral> so if its called easychem.1
[05:55] <Kyral> I modify the call to dh_installman to be dh_installman easychem.1
[05:55] <Kyral> right?
[05:55] <slomo> you can either give it to dh_installman as a parameter or by using debian/manpages
[05:55] <slomo> no... dh_installman debian/manpages
[05:55] <slomo> it's relative to the top of the sourcetree
[05:55] <Kyral> but I don't have a debian/manpages
[05:55] <slomo> create one ;)
[05:55] <Kyral> lol
[05:55] <Kyral> and put the page in there?
[05:56] <slomo> content would be 'debian/easychem.1'
[05:56] <slomo> without the ' obviously
[05:56] <Kyral> its not a dir?
[05:56] <slomo> no
[05:56] <Kyral> oh lol
[05:56] <slomo> man dh_installman
[05:56] <slomo> read manpages ;)
[05:57] <Kyral> Okay here I go again lol
[05:58] <Kyral> ..could not determine section for debian/manpages
[05:59] <Kyral> oh, I have to call it debian/easychem.manpages
[05:59] <\sh> going home...laters
[06:01] <Kyral> meh
[06:02] <Kyral> still cannot get the section
[06:03] <slomo> and when you add it to the dh_installman call?
[06:03] <Kyral> When? In the list of stuff at the end
[06:03] <Kyral> should I add it to the install section?
[06:03] <slomo> for example
[06:04] <Kyral> Its in the binary-arch target
[06:05] <Kyral> Should it be in the install target?
[06:05] <azeem> no, binary-arch is alright
[06:07] <Kyral> In the call to xsltproc I make the output file debian/easychem.1
[06:08] <slomo> (don't forget to remove it in clean)
[06:08] <Kyral> The manpage?
[06:08] <azeem> slomo: what's wrong with shipping the manpage in the diff, so you don't need to Build-Depend on xsltproc?
[06:11] <slomo> azeem: nothing, but as he has it already written in docbook xml i think it's better to include this instead of something generated... and build-depends won't hurt anyone imho
[06:11] <Kyral> Added a clean rule for the manpage
[06:11] <slomo> but it's definitly a matter of taste
[06:11] <Kyral> still getting that it cannot determine section
[06:12] <slomo> yes that's another problem... but i never got this ;) afaik dh_installman looks at the suffix of the file, in this case .1 and puts it in section 1
[06:12] <azeem> Kyral: so maybe the manpage does not have a section .TH line
[06:12] <Kyral> a wha?
[06:12] <Kyral> I know I put one in...
[06:13] <slomo> Kyral: please upload the xml and generated file somewhere ;)
[06:13] <Kyral> unless I made a typo in the markup
[06:13] <azeem> .TH DH_INSTALLMAN 1 "2004-02-08" "4.2.32" "Debhelper"
[06:13] <azeem> the "1" is the section I assume
[06:13] <slomo> yes
[06:16] <Kyral> hmm
[06:17] <Kyral> its failing
[06:17] <Kyral> the conversion
[06:17] <slomo> upload it somewhere please
[06:17] <Kyral> I uploaded the xml
[06:17] <Kyral> but the command to convert it isn't working
[06:18] <slomo> give me the url ;)
[06:18] <Kyral> people.clarkson.edu/~petermcv/manpages
[06:18] <Kyral> should be in there
[06:18] <slomo> 404
[06:19] <Kyral> oops
[06:19] <Kyral> drop the s :P
[06:19] <slomo> already tried ;)
[06:19] <slomo> works
[06:20] <Kyral> I'm building with DH_VERBOSE on now to see if something is going wrong
[06:20] <Kyral> well, to learn :P
[06:21] <slomo> 'TH "EASYCHEM" 1 "2005-11-30" "" ""'
[06:21] <slomo> with a dot before ;)
[06:21] <slomo> so this is right
[06:21] <Kyral> should I get the buildlog from PBuilder?
[06:21] <slomo> and works fine here with dh_installman
[06:21] <slomo> whatever you're doing ;)
[06:22] <Kyral> then my PBuilder is fubared lol
[06:22] <slomo> docbook-xsl is installed too?
[06:22] <Kyral> yah its in there...I'll double check
[06:22] <slomo> docbook-xsl, docbook-xml and xsltproc are needed
[06:23] <Kyral> all three are in the Build Depends
[06:23] <slomo> *sigh*
[06:23] <slomo> try pbuilding cowbell ;)
[06:24] <Kyral> well, lol I didn't have docbook-xsl on my system (outside of PBuilder)
[06:24] <Kyral> Yah looks right on mine (now that I have docbook-xsl on my system)
[06:26] <Kyral> Cowbell builds clean
[06:29] <Kyral> I'm rebuilding and logging it
[06:31] <Kyral> Buildlog uploaded to the same place
[06:32] <slomo> don't add debian/easychem.manpages to the dh_installman call
[06:32] <slomo> either add the manpage itself there... or add debian/easychem.1 to debian/easychem.manpages and call dh_installman w/o arguments
[06:34] <Kyral> ah lol
[06:37] <Kyral> VICTORY!! :D :D
[06:37] <slomo> :)
[06:37] <Kyral> well, minor formatting error in the manpage
[06:37] <Kyral> but
[06:37] <Kyral> :D
[06:38] <Kyral> How do you force a linebreak in the XML?
[06:38] <Kyral> <br />?
[06:39] <lucas> Kyral: depends whether it is XML or XHTML
[06:39] <lucas> ah
[06:40] <lucas> why don't you just end you <para> ?
[06:40] <lucas> and start another one ?
[06:40] <Kyral> eh because its not the end :P
[06:41] <slomo> not the end of a paragraph? but why do you need a linebreak then? ;)
[06:41] <Kyral> because when its displayed in my term my email addy is broken up :P
[06:41] <Kyral> oh lol
[06:41] <slomo> get a bigger terminal ;)
[06:41] <Kyral> damn window size :P
[06:42] <Kyral> Manpage DONE
[06:43] <Kyral> wait..if I upload the new version (which I renamed 0ubuntu1 as per slomo's suggestion) what will REVU do..
[06:44] <slomo> it goes by date, not by version number
[06:44] <slomo> the latest upload will be shown
[06:44] <slomo> date beeing upload date
[06:44] <Kyral> Hey a clean Lintian run on the binary
[06:44] <slomo> nice :)
[06:44] <Kyral> Now just need the watch and desktop files
[06:45] <slomo> and the icon... and is the description already corrected?
[06:45] <Kyral> Yah
[06:45] <Kyral> you want me to upload the control :P
[06:45] <slomo> please paste the description ;) it wasn't too long iirc
[06:45] <Kyral>  Create high quality pictures of molecules and 2D chemical forumulas that can
[06:46] <Kyral>  be exported to PDF, PS, LaTeX and fig.
[06:46] <Kyral>  EasyChem was originally developed to compose chemistry books, and is now
[06:46] <Kyral>  frequently used for this purpose, in commercial and non-commercial
[06:46] <Kyral>  chemistry-related books.
[06:46] <Kyral>  Homepage: http://easychem.sourceforge.net
[06:46] <azeem> Kyral: pictures?
[06:46] <Kyral> I'm not to elegant with words :P
[06:46] <Kyral> diagrams?
[06:46] <slomo> hm, remove the ',' before the and
[06:46] <azeem> I would expect it'd render the molecule in 3D or something
[06:46] <Kyral> nah its a 2D thing
[06:47] <slomo> and the ',' behind purpose
[06:47] <azeem> hrm
[06:47] <Kyral> should I s/pictures/diagrams?
[06:47] <slomo> and imho it sounds better when you start the first sentence with the program name
[06:47] <slomo> yes, diagrams sounds better
[06:49] <Kyral> EasyChem is a program that helps you create high quality diagrams of molecules and 2D chemical forumulas that can be exported to PDF, PS, LaTeX and fig. EasyChem was originally developed to compose chemistry books and is now frequently used for this purpose in commercial and non-commercial chemistry-related books. Homepage: http://easychem.sourceforge.net
[06:49] <Kyral> better?
[06:49] <Kyral> ouch formatting lost in paste
[06:49] <azeem> it sounds like you could compose whole books with it
[06:49] <slomo> ..helps you with creating...
[06:50] <Kyral> oy...I have to go to class
[06:50] <slomo> and what azeem has told... otherwise it's fine :)
[06:50] <Kyral> you can take apart my grammer in an hour :P
[06:51] <slomo> ok ;)
[06:51] <Kyral> incase I haven't said it I appreciate your help alot :D
[06:51] <slomo> np :)
[07:20] <seth_k> Whoa, I just had an Organic Chem test today, gimmie EasyChem :P
[07:54] <Amaranth> i hate snow
[07:56] <herve> hello
[07:57] <Amaranth> my ride left early to get home before the snow started again and my uncle's car is buried under a drift from the last snow so i'm stuck at school :/
[07:57] <dholbach> hey herv
[08:04] <Kyral> seth_k: late LOL
[08:13] <Kyral> hmm
[08:13] <Kyral> I'm happy for a new kernel
[08:14] <Kyral> but couldn't it look that I'm using k7 and install that instead of 386? ;P
[08:14] <lucas> 386 is the arch name, not the processor type
[08:14] <Kyral> I know that
[08:14] <lucas> it doesn't really matter if you are using a 386 or an athlon XP from the kernel's code point of view
[08:15] <Kyral> I meant that its installing 2.6.15-5-386
[08:15] <Kyral> and I use the -K7 kernel as preference :P
[08:15] <\sh> re
[08:15] <\sh> Kyral: 386 is the arch and runs as well on amd athlon/duron/k6
[08:15] <Kyral> Ah well I'll just install the k7
[08:15] <Kyral> \sh I know this :P
[08:16] <Kyral> but the k7 seems quicker to me on my Athlon XP
[08:16] <lucas> that's placebo effect
[08:16] <lucas> it probably doesn't improve much
[08:16] <lucas> like 1 or 2% ;)
[08:18] <Kyral> maybe this will get NVidia-GLX working now :D
[08:19] <Kyral> if I wanted to improve my kernel I'd roll all the modules I need into it
[08:22] <\sh> damn...I am a lucky guy
[08:22] <Kyral> oh?
[08:23] <\sh> yes...I have always the luck to piss of people somehow
[08:23] <Kyral> lol
[08:23] <ajmitch_> hey \sh
[08:23] <ajmitch_> how'd you do it this time?
[08:23] <\sh> thx to minghua
[08:24] <ajmitch_> ?
[08:24] <\sh> I just renamed atlas-cpp...which was a rename and a merge
[08:24] <\sh> atlas-cpp was at this time as rev 1 in debian
[08:24] <\sh> BUT
[08:24] <\sh> in rev 2 debian renamed the libpackages accordingly to the old cxx trans
[08:24] <\sh> and I renamed it to c2a because there was no rev 2 and no renaming
[08:25] <\sh> and minghua raised this issue on d-d
[08:25] <\sh> and now i have a discussion with steve l.
[08:25] <\sh> fck
[08:25] <ajmitch_> hm
[08:25] <\sh> but what can I do, that debian is not holding on simple rules
[08:26] <\sh> "there has to be no rename when a soname change is introduced with a new upstream"
[08:26] <\sh> which happened exactly with libatlas-cpp
[08:26] <\sh> because old version I renamed during cxx trans was libatlas-cpp-0.5
[08:26] <\sh> now we have libatlas-cpp-0.6
[08:26] <\sh> grmpf
[08:26] <ajmitch_> ok
[08:26] <ajmitch_> makes sense
[08:26] <\sh> so debian was wrong in this case
[08:26] <\sh> with their rename of libatlas-cpp-0.6 to -0.6c2
[08:27] <\sh> or the maintainer was just to slow
[08:27] <Kyral> Oh, ajmitch_ expect a ping soon
[08:27] <ajmitch_> is this on d-d ?
[08:27] <ajmitch_> Kyral: why/
[08:27] <Kyral> I've been working on fixing EasyChem all day :D
[08:27] <\sh> ajmitch_: jepp
[08:27] <ajmitch_> ok, found the thread
[08:28] <Kyral> I should really put "Thanks to slomo<Insert his real name> for all the help" into the Changelog
[08:29] <ajmitch_> hm, debian library changes should really be exactly the same as what we do
[08:29] <ajmitch_> ah, he had a post about potato->etch upgrades
[08:29] <ajmitch_> upgrades spanning ~10 years ;)
[08:30] <slomo> Kyral: look at the cowbell package for my name ;)
[08:30] <Kyral> slomo: I know what it is I was just too lazy to type it ;P
[08:30] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...but even then..soname change was introduced with new upstream, and atlas-cpp was never renamed to c102 somehow...(or I just don't see it)
[08:31] <Kyral> Plus I dunno how to make those funny characters in the name
[08:31] <slomo> Kyral: ? ;)
[08:31] <Kyral> it doesn't display on this term lol
[08:31] <Kyral> its a rectangle
[08:31] <Seveas> Kyral, switch to an UTF-8 locale
[08:32] <\sh> doko: ping
[08:32] <Kyral> Stupid question: How
[08:32] <\sh> doko: please tell me, that i'm doing nothing wrong :)
[08:34] <herve> Kyral, this channel is in utf-8 anyway
[08:34] <Kyral> then how come the character that slomo printed didn't show up
[08:34] <herve> it did here
[08:35] <Kyral> I meant on my screen, sorry
[08:35] <herve> you're using xchat?
[08:35] <Kyral> Irssi
[08:35] <Kyral> + Xterm
[08:35] <herve> argh
[08:35] <lucas> Seveas: it has nothing to do with the locale
[08:35] <herve> I don't know then
[08:35] <lucas> it has to do with the font he is using
[08:36] <lucas> if he was using a non-UTF-8, it wouldn't display as one rectangle, but as several rectangles :-)
[08:36] <Seveas> standard ubuntu fonts are utf8 fonts
[08:36] <Kyral> Monospace 10
[08:36] <Kyral> is what XTerm is set to
[08:36] <lucas> you are really using xterm ?
[08:37] <lucas> xterm sometimes does strange things regarding non-ascii chars
[08:37] <lucas> if you find gnome-terminal too slow, you should have a look at urxvt
[08:38] <lucas> (or aterm, but it doesn't support UTF-8)
[08:38] <\sh> Kyral: well..it's that what xterm will get from the fontconfig
[08:38] <\sh> Kyral: the settings you can adjust somehow in .Xdefaults-<hostname>
[08:39] <Kyral> ah
[08:40] <\sh> Kyral: man xterm and you see all resources of xterm
[08:40] <\sh> have a look as well in /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm
[08:40] <Kyral> okay
[08:40] <Kyral> I've been meaning to change the keyboard shortcuts anyway
[08:40] <\sh> and yes there is a bug upstream that xterm doesn't load XTerm-color app-defaults...this is known and upstream tries to fix
[08:41] <Kyral> I didn't even notice lol
[08:41] <ajmitch_> sigh
[08:41] <Kyral> hmm, all the characters display fine in the manpage for cowbell
[08:41] <ajmitch_> malone 3547
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3547: OpenAFS does not work In: openafs (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3547
[08:41] <\sh> Kyral: me neither, fabbiones friend but...and now I traced it..and we actually don't know if it's a problem in Xorg or more in xterm
[08:41] <ajmitch_> some bug submitters....
[08:42] <ajmitch_> see the last comment on that one if you want to be annoyed
[08:42] <Kyral> no thanks
[08:43] <\sh> ajmitch: he is right :)
[08:43] <ajmitch_> that we're lazy? ;)
[08:44] <\sh> no i mean bjoern torkelson
[08:44] <\sh> the last comment
[08:44] <\sh> oh u mean brenden
[08:44] <ajmitch_> yeah sorry
[08:44] <\sh> well...
[08:44] <ajmitch_> the one which annoyed me
[08:44] <\sh> it's a gentoo user
[08:44] <Kyral> Is there anyway to generate a .dpatch file like you generate a debdiff?
[08:44] <ajmitch_> I know..
[08:45] <\sh> dpatch-edit-patch?
[08:45] <herve> Kyral, dpatch-edit-patch
[08:45] <\sh> Kyral: but stay away from dpatch...use the normal approach :)
[08:45] <\sh> diff -ur
[08:45] <Kyral> eh?
[08:45] <\sh> and use simple-patchsys
[08:46] <\sh> IF you need a patch system
[08:46] <Kyral> nah I patched the Makefile of EasyChem and in his comment slomo suggested making it a patch
[08:46] <torkel> \sh: huh?
[08:46] <Kyral> instead of relying on the diff.gz
[08:47] <\sh> torkel: we were just talking about the guy you commented on in bug #3547
[08:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #3547: OpenAFS does not work In: openafs (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3547
[08:47] <\sh> Kyral: is there already a patch system used in this package?
[08:47] <Kyral> nope
[08:47] <Kyral> its a brand new package
[08:48] <\sh> oh..then
[08:48] <\sh> then I buy some beer...and check my washing on the same way :)
[08:48] <\sh> brb
[08:48] <torkel> \sh: ah, It wasn't my answer you were complaining about :-)
[08:49] <Kyral> Then should I put a patch system in or leave it to the diff.gz
[08:49] <slomo> Kyral: whatever you like more... but i prefer separated patches
[08:50] <Kyral> ah
[08:50] <Kyral> then whats the quick and dirty way to do this lol
[08:50] <Kyral> I mean I thought I could just take a diff of the file I modified and use that as the patch
[08:51] <slomo> make a normal diff for this patch and look at hm, for example monodevelop how dpatches have to look like ;)
[08:51] <Kyral> I have the XChat source packge :P
[08:51] <herve> ho no
[08:51] <herve> there are already doc on the wiki about dpatch
[08:51] <herve> and dpatch-edit-patch really is simple
[08:51] <jamessan|work> or cdbs-edit-patch if you're already using cdbs
[08:52] <herve> right
[08:52] <slomo> or that... yes
[08:52] <Kyral> its in the wiki?
[08:52] <Kyral> Where?
[08:52] <herve> search "dpatch" :-)
[08:52] <Kyral> I did
[08:52] <Kyral> nothing
[08:52] <Kyral> We are talking about the UbuntuWiki right?
[08:52] <herve> I remember an introductory post on tseng's blog
[08:52] <herve> yep
[08:53] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=dpatch&titlesearch=Titles
[08:53] <herve> maybe in a "ubuntu developer resources" page
[08:53] <herve> don't search just title
[08:53] <herve> but the body
[08:54] <Kyral> lol
[08:54] <Kyral> I found it
[08:54] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/HowToPatch?highlight=%28dpatch%29
[08:54] <herve> nice page title :-)
[08:54] <Kyral> said to patch the source and put the diff in debian/ubuntu-patches :P
[08:55] <herve> dpatch-edit-dpatch does pretty much that in a proper way :-)
[08:58] <herve> arghn tseng's site is down
[08:58] <Kyral> So I run dpatch-edit-dpatch <patchname> in the sourcedir?
[08:58] <Kyral> or should I give it the name of the orig.tar.gz?
[08:59] <herve> you give your future patch's name
[08:59] <herve> dpatch will create some copy of you source
[08:59] <herve> you edit the files
[08:59] <herve> you exit
[08:59] <herve> and dpatch will make the patch for you
[08:59] <herve> the issue is to make your package aware of dpatch when building
[08:59] <Kyral> but does it look for the orig.tar.gz in the working dir?
[08:59] <Kyral> or in the dir above?
[09:00] <Kyral> ie, where should I execute the command from :P
[09:00] <herve> it just works TM
[09:00] <herve> :-)
[09:00] <herve> ha, from the parent of the debian/ dir I would say
[09:00] <Kyral> any naming convention I should use?
[09:01] <herve> there are yes
[09:01] <Kyral> I'm just gonna call it 01_installrule.dpatch
[09:01] <herve> hmm
[09:01] <herve> not really helpful
[09:01] <Kyral> Thats what it does
[09:02] <Kyral> it puts an install rule into the Makefile
[09:02] <herve> and in a full sentence?
[09:02] <herve> or just add an underscore between "install" and "rule"
[09:02] <herve> to separate the words
[09:03] <herve> an "installrule" is not really obvious
[09:03] <Kyral> it crashed out
[09:03] <herve> haha
[09:03] <herve> murphy's law :-)
[09:03] <Kyral> No rule to make target unpatch stop
[09:04] <herve> ha, that's the package integration part
[09:04] <herve> but simply
[09:04] <herve> check /usr/share/doc/dpatch
[09:04] <Kyral> How can I make the patch if dpatch-edit-patch crashes lol
[09:04] <herve> you have to change your debian/rules
[09:06] <Kyral> Yah I see the example in man dpatch
[09:08] <Kyral> I should just use that as a template right?
[09:09] <herve> let me check
[09:09] <herve> this is inspiration yes
[09:09] <herve> ymmv
[09:09] <Kyral> hmm?
[09:10] <Kyral> so is that a yes or no lol
[09:11] <herve> both :-)
[09:11] <Kyral> ...
[09:11] <herve> erm, no
[09:11] <\sh> wow
[09:11] <herve> is is an example, just don't copy/paste
[09:11] <herve> merge it with your own rules
[09:11] <Kyral> I know that
[09:11] <\sh> actually it wasn't my fault with atlas-cpp
[09:11] <Kyral> I meant edit to use as a template for MY rules
[09:11] <\sh> the first time I'm not clueless
[09:12] <herve> Kyral, keep your rules, just add the targets and the dpatch.mk inclusion
[09:12] <Kyral> dpatch.mk?
[09:12] <Kyral> Isn't that CDBS?
[09:12] <\sh> no
[09:12] <Kyral> oh
[09:12] <herve> you have cdbs?
[09:12] <Kyral> no
[09:13] <herve> I think we're both lost here :-)
[09:13] <Kyral> well, I have it installed
[09:13] <Kyral> but I don't use it
[09:13] <herve> good :-)
[09:13] <herve> now you have to activate dpatch for your package
[09:13] <Kyral> So I need to pull the original makefile out
[09:13] <herve> there's an include plus two targets to add
[09:14] <herve> keep the original makefile for now
[09:14] <Kyral> I meant replace it
[09:14] <Kyral> I modified it already
[09:14] <\sh> herve: why are you teaching him dpatch...kyral should learn the right way (tm) of diffing orig source and patched source and learn how to write simple patch and unpatch targets in debian/rules ;)
[09:14] <herve> \sh, I do because no one is teaching him simplepatchsys
[09:14] <herve> simply :-)
[09:15] <\sh> herve: what?
[09:15] <\sh> ah come on....
[09:15] <herve> I just know dpatch
[09:15] <Kyral> I feel like I'm in the middle of a GNOME vs. KDE war....
[09:15] <Kyral> lol
[09:15] <herve> so I can't help him any other way
[09:15] <siretart> patchsystems are for whiners. real man use vcs :-P
[09:16] <herve> yeah, don't run away to teach him simple patchsys
[09:16] <Kyral> ...
[09:16] <Kyral> oy...
[09:17] <\sh> wow
[09:17] <\sh> konversation doesn't like simple patches
[09:17] <herve> Kyral, first time I used dpatch, I copied on an existing package
[09:17] <\sh> because it's cdbs
[09:17] <\sh> heh
[09:17] <\sh> ok...kyral...you want to learn the real way of patching?
[09:18] <Kyral> sure
[09:18] <\sh> ok
[09:18] <\sh> join #ubuntu-motu-school :)
[09:18] <Kyral> lol
[09:19] <\sh> herve: you?
[09:19] <herve> that was the bell I was hearing!
[09:19] <herve> I'm your man
[09:24] <LaserJock> Kyral: oh man, I think I just got flamed on ubuntuforums
[09:25] <Kyral> LJ later, I'm gettin' me edumacation, MOTUStyle :P
[09:25] <LaserJock> Kyral: I see, just check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=533295&postcount=162 sometime ;-)
[09:26] <LaserJock> I feel bad, maybe I shouldn't have said anything. Darn it
[09:31] <azeem> LaserJock: I uploaded ghemical-1.91 now, btw
[09:31] <LaserJock> azeem: oh, sweet. To Debian sid?
[09:32] <azeem> yes
[09:33] <azeem> along with mpqc, libghemical and mopac7
[09:33] <LaserJock> very, cool.
[09:34] <LaserJock> I actually need to do some work with ghemical this week so that will be handy
[09:34] <bojan> hi all!
[09:34] <azeem> I enabled multithreading as well (d'oh), so it should be a bit nicer as well
[09:35] <LaserJock> nice
[09:36] <minghua> LaserJock: very well written post (I didn't read through the old ones though)
[09:37] <LaserJock> minghua: I don't know if it is worth it anymore. I used to like the forums but no it seems like it is just complaints, a lot less helping people.
[09:43] <minghua> LaserJock: I used to hang out in (non-linux) forums a lot.  But the first time I started to touch linux, I found the forums much less useful than google and mailing lists.  So I never liked linux forums.
[09:44] <minghua> LaserJock: And the Chinese linux forums I read has even more complaints
[09:45] <lucas> the problem with forums is that old-timers don't like them
[09:46] <lucas> so the average level of technical expertise is lower than in mailing lists
[09:47] <minghua> From my experience, forums are less efficient than mailing lists, so although I'm quite new to linux, I don't like forums either
[09:47] <minghua> For mailing lists, I can post using my mutt (and more importantly, vim), and searching is also easier and faster to do locally
[09:48] <LaserJock> well, I just got frustrated that there are these 2 guys that spent 17 arguing that dapper sucks because it isn't Debian or Slack and they give the devs a bad rap and a lot of times nobody responds so other users think the devs don't care
[09:48] <minghua> Oh, and threading as well
[09:48] <LaserJock> 17 pages I mean
[09:49] <anavim> !lart those guys
[09:49] <siretart> why larting them? just /ignore them
[09:49] <anavim> huh?  they're still here?
[09:49] <siretart> oh wait. webforums often dont support this. I see..
[09:49] <minghua> IMHO devs should just ignore users who use dapper at this dapper and just complain instead of reporting bugs
[09:50] <anavim> oh, forums
[09:50] <minghua> s/at this dapper/at this time/
[09:50] <anavim> nm
[09:50] <LaserJock> well ignoring is fine for us but the other users out there aren't ignoring them and that is the problem to me
[09:50] <ajmitch> people get the impression that ubuntu is broken, and that developers only care about themselves or money
[09:51] <siretart> ajmitch: this applies mainly for ppl who are actually reading such threads
[09:51] <LaserJock> I was used to using the Gentoo forums a lot and so I just naturally went to the ubuntuforums. But now I find irc and the wiki a lot more helpful
[09:52] <ajmitch> siretart: yep
[09:52] <ajmitch> siretart: reading the 'why is dapper so broken' thread was depressing
[09:52] <anavim> oh boy, another flamefest... maybe someone should post an article on what "software-in-development" means
[09:52] <anavim> and looks like
[09:52] <minghua> LaserJock: I am not against clarifying on forums, I just don't have that time (or motive) to do it myself
[09:52] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[09:53] <ajmitch> hello
[09:53] <siretart> ajmitch: which forum are we talking about?
[09:53] <ajmitch> ubuntuforums.org
[09:53] <siretart> oh
[09:53] <LaserJock> minghua: me neither, that was really the first time for me. I am pretty disappointed. I guess I shoulda known better ;-)
[09:53] <siretart> and the moderators didn't do anything about that?
[09:53] <siretart> well, anyway.
[09:54] <siretart> they even have somewhere a point. dapper is atm quite broken.
[09:54] <siretart> but thats on purpose, and thats okay.
[09:54] <ajmitch> yes, but they expected dapper development to be breezy+some stabilisation
[09:54] <LaserJock> siretart: I think the point of the thread was that it shouldn't be broken in the first place because sid isn't
[09:54] <siretart> well, they are wrong.
[09:54] <lucas> nobody should *use* dapper
[09:54] <ajmitch> lucas: I do
[09:55] <minghua> some people are just too used to the (almost) usable state of debian testing/unstable
[09:55] <siretart> LaserJock: developers should
[09:55] <lucas> pinning between breezy and dapper for some packages is enough
[09:55] <lucas> ajmitch: you work on ubuntu for your day job ?
[09:55] <minghua> dapper is what a development branch is supposed to look like :-)
[09:55] <ajmitch> even though large numbers of packages are uninstallable at a time :)
[09:55] <siretart> LaserJock: so the actors have no idea about the development model in debian and ubuntu. great
[09:55] <ajmitch> lucas: no, I have the misfortune of working on winXP
[09:55] <lucas> oh :/
[09:55] <ajmitch> but I would happily use my home box for my day job
[09:56] <anavim> LaserJock, don't be disappointed.  the guy flaming you just wants to prove he used to be a 1337 slackware developer
[09:56] <lucas> you can't ssh to it ?
[09:56] <ajmitch> if it weren't for the fact that I need IE :)
[09:56] <LaserJock> siretart: my post is at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=533295&posted=1#post533295 I tried
[09:56] <dholbach> shall we start on writing the motu report early this time? :-D
[09:56] <ajmitch> lucas: sure, what do you think I'm doing now?
[09:56] <lucas> ah :-)
[09:57] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft *hint*
[09:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm the opposite, I have Ubuntu at work, XP at home
[09:58] <siretart> LaserJock: sorry. thats the reason why I don't read webforums at all
[09:58] <ajmitch> dholbach: when was the last report?
[09:58] <Kyral> I help on UbuntuForums
[09:58] <Kyral> but mainly in ABT
[09:59] <dholbach> ajmitch: 2,5 weeks ago, because we were late due to ubz
[09:59] <rave_> hey guys
[09:59] <rave_> check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo
[09:59] <Kyral> There is a reason I ddin't post into that thread
[09:59] <dholbach> ajmitch: but we should try to make it happen earlier this time and there is enough to report (merging stuff, new tools, new teams, new motus, ...)
[09:59] <ajmitch> ok
[10:00] <Kyral> MOTUScience :D
[10:00] <dholbach> ajmitch: maybe even new software we got in - something the new motus/motuwannabes want to tell us
[10:00] <ajmitch> just say that \sh is doing all the MOTU work & you'll be fine ;)
[10:00] <dholbach> Kyral: if you want to write some bits about it, that's be cool
[10:00] <ajmitch> he's currently running classes on how to patch
[10:00] <Kyral> and \sh's inpromptu class :D
[10:00] <siretart> rave_: I like prop1.gif best
[10:00] <rave_> let me chec
[10:00] <rave_> i made more then a few
[10:01] <rave_> so i need to see wich one that is
[10:01] <siretart> despite the spelling ;)
[10:01] <rave_> ow no
[10:01] <rave_> ow shit i see :)
[10:01] <rave_> lol
[10:01] <LaserJock> siretart: I like it to but maybe it should have more of a Ubuntu color scheme?
[10:01] <rave_> things can be fixed
[10:01] <Gloubiboulga> did anyone tried to build anything using libqt3-mt-dev these days ?
[10:02] <siretart> LaserJock: yes
[10:03] <dholbach> ajmitch: and we could have a logo competition
[10:03] <LaserJock> dholbach: what do you mean by "MOTU hopefuls"?
[10:03] <Kyral> Us!
[10:03] <dholbach> LaserJock: people hopefully being motus soon :)
[10:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: yes :)
[10:03] <dholbach> excellent
[10:03] <LaserJock> I'll add something about MOTUScience too
[10:03] <dholbach> cool
[10:03] <dholbach> just everybody add something about the last month in motu land
[10:04] <dholbach> can be just a one-liner
[10:04] <siretart> dholbach: how many motus where active that time?
[10:04] <ajmitch> siretart: not many
[10:04] <ajmitch> siretart: I wasn't very active
[10:04] <siretart> I think less than 10 active motus
[10:04] <rave_> Gloubiboulga did anyone tried to build anything using libqt3-mt-dev these days ?
[10:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: according to your memory you NEVER were active :)
[10:04] <rave_> yes skype today
[10:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: I did about 20-30 hoary uploads
[10:05] <ajmitch> I'm sure I've done more for dapper
[10:05] <ajmitch> or I will have soon ;)
[10:05] <Gloubiboulga> rave_, the include/ directory doesn't exist any more in /usr/share/qt3 in dapper...
[10:06] <Gloubiboulga> I can't build qjackctl
[10:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: mention the mailing list
[10:06] <dholbach> yeah that too
[10:07] <anavim> LaserJock, looks like it's time to post on ubuntu forums again  :)
[10:07] <dholbach> you have so many good ideas, just DO IT! :)
[10:09] <ajmitch> hah
[10:11] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, I added some stuff
[10:11] <dholbach> LaserJock: super, thank you
[10:11] <dholbach> LaserJock: i will look at it tomorrow
[10:11] <dholbach> LaserJock: and add some stuff myself
[10:11] <LaserJock> k
[10:11] <dholbach> so we can get the report out a bit earlier this time ;)
[10:12] <Kyral> I'll do something to the report
[10:12] <Kyral> what should I do to it
[10:12] <Kyral> add the log from \sh's class? :P
[10:12] <dholbach> whatever you think people in general should know about the last month in motu land
[10:12] <dholbach> we could start doing interviews? :-p
[10:12] <Kyral> lol
[10:12] <ajmitch> sure
[10:12] <ajmitch> interview \sh!
[10:12] <Kyral> I actually love this whole class thing  :D
[10:12] <ajmitch> or interview the new MOTUs
[10:13] <dholbach> yeah
[10:13] <Kyral> Interview Mark/
[10:13] <dholbach> he's not a motu
[10:13] <dholbach> not yet
[10:13] <LaserJock> I think that having something like #ubuntu-motu-school more often would be very cool
[10:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yep
[10:13] <dholbach> LaserJock: talk to keybuk and announce the idea on main
[10:13] <ajmitch> \sh: good idea ;)
[10:13] <Kyral> My left shift key is half busted :P
[10:13] <dholbach> keybuk had the idea too
[10:13] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe :)

[10:14] <ajmitch> I think we could write up the irc logs in a nice tutorial format
[10:15] <dholbach> yeah, it would serve documentation as well
[10:15] <dholbach> i think the idea is sound
[10:15] <LaserJock> I would like to get an archive of them that the packaging guide could draw from
[10:15] <LaserJock> man we are brilliant today
[10:16] <Kyral> Indeed
[10:16] <Kyral> LJ when do you want me to throw something together about multiple PBUilders?
[10:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: well, not sure. You can always throw together something whenever you want and then we can incorporate it later
[10:17] <\sh> guys...it was just spontanously
[10:18] <Kyral> But its a good idea :D
[10:18] <\sh> and my washing is still in my machine
[10:19] <LaserJock> but we could have a different "teacher" or subject each time
[10:19] <\sh> dholbach: don't mention it in your report :()
[10:19] <\sh> LaserJock: if you like it...we will do so..
[10:19] <lucas> how long does it usually takes between "./lpbugs.py -n srcpkg" and the bug get assigned a number ?
[10:19] <dholbach> \sh: what?
[10:19] <\sh> ubuntu-motu-school
[10:20] <ajmitch> \sh: we could probably schedule some extra classes
[10:20] <dholbach> i like the idea
[10:20] <\sh> dholbach: even amu thought i was joking :)
[10:20] <ajmitch> get a willing teacher & announce a time
[10:20] <ajmitch> nothing too formal
[10:20] <dholbach> and it'd be great to have some guys from main to talk about stuff
[10:20] <Kyral> yah
[10:20] <dholbach> and we could take it, reformat it and have some documentation
[10:20] <minghua> I thought \sh was joking, too :-(
[10:26] <lucas> siretart: I'd say your mail got lost in the cyberspace
[10:27] <siretart> lucas: damn. I'll resend
[10:28] <\sh> minghua: why should I be joking about this?
[10:28] <lucas> how often are bugs sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>processed ?
[10:28] <siretart> lucas: usually within 5 to 10 mins
[10:29] <lucas> ok
[10:30] <minghua> \sh: Err..  because #ubuntu-motu-school sounds too dramatic?
[10:30] <minghua> \sh: anyway, I am in your class now :-)
[10:30] <rave_> #ubuntu-motu-bootcamp
[10:30] <rave_> :p
[10:40] <Kyral> lol
[10:40] <Kyral> We got a new Kernel
[10:40] <Kyral> complete with LRM now :D
[10:41] <lucas> erm, is there some sort of whitelisting which would prevent my mail for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from reaching its target ?
[10:41] <siretart> and this makes me sceptical
[10:41] <ogra> be very carful
[10:41] <siretart> you know, I really need madwifi
[10:41] <Kyral> Always keep a backup kernel!
[10:41] <Kyral> siretart: so do I
[10:41] <ogra> it doesnt boot
[10:41] <Kyral> lol
[10:41] <siretart> Kyral: the new udev requires the new kernel
[10:41] <Kyral> new udev huh?
[10:41] <ogra> the new udev breaks the initramfs ...
[10:41] <Kyral> oh
[10:42] <ogra> at least for me it did
[10:42] <Kyral> so THATS why it didn't make an initrd for itself
[10:42] <siretart> I just upgrade apt, aptitude, and friends
[10:42] <xhaker> siretart, have you update-initramfs -u ?
[10:43] <xhaker> i meant.. ogra
[10:43] <siretart> xhaker: I have initramfs-tools from breezy on my laptop here
[10:43] <siretart> ah
[10:43] <ogra> xhaker, i dpkg-reconfigured the whole linux-image
[10:43] <ogra> indeed
[10:43] <lifeless> does anyone here know multisync internals ?
[10:43] <lifeless> or where the right place to chat to people about it is ?
[10:43] <xhaker> ogra.. now i'm affraid to boot
[10:43] <xhaker> lol
[10:43] <ogra> lifeless, azeem does
[10:43] <siretart> I doubt anyone knows
[10:43] <xhaker> reboot
[10:44] <lifeless> ogra: thanks!
[10:44] <lifeless> azeem: ping ^^
[10:44] <ogra> heh
[10:45] <azeem> lifeless: what do you mean `internals'?
[10:45] <ajmitch> rave_: for 3172, did you attach a debdiff?
[10:46] <rave_> yes
[10:46] <lifeless> azeem: I need to debug a problem :[. I have a new phone - a v600 ericsson, which is apparently a rebadged k600.
[10:46] <lifeless> azeem: when I edit a contact in evo and sync it, the contact *disappears* from the phones UI.
[10:46] <rave_> ajmitch let me give you the url to the last valid version
[10:46] <lifeless> azeem: by edit I mean add a phone number or email address
[10:46] <jamessan|work> \sh++ for the excellent tutorial
[10:46] <lifeless> azeem: but just changing the name does not do that
[10:46] <ajmitch> rave_: the last attached file seems to have a *lot* of junk in it :)
[10:47] <rave_> well it was a debdiff
[10:47] <rave_> lets check if we are talking about the same file
[10:47] <lifeless> azeem: so I figure I need to get a good dump of the sync traffic that is happening, and also try some specific sync requests to see if I can find a way to make it not do this.
[10:47] <lifeless> azeem: thus -> internals of multisync & also talk to the devs.
[10:48] <rave_> ajmitch http://librarian.launchpad.net/1186951/pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7ubuntu1.diff <<-- that was my last debdiff
[10:48] <azeem> lifeless: I suggest you try #multisync
[10:48] <azeem> abauer is the main dev
[10:48] <azeem> lifeless: but note, multisync has been deprecated
[10:48] <lifeless> oh?
[10:48] <azeem> it's all about opensync now
[10:48] <lifeless> is that packages ?
[10:48] <ajmitch> no, but I was looking at packagign it last night
[10:49] <ajmitch> so I might try & have packages soon
[10:49] <lifeless> how ready is it ?
[10:49] <lifeless> is it the same code base ?
[10:49] <ajmitch> multisync now uses opensync as its base
[10:49] <ajmitch> they're aiming for early 2006 1.0 release
[10:49] <rave_> ajmitch did you see my patch for makeztxt as well ?
[10:49] <azeem> cool
[10:49] <azeem> finally ajmitch does my work
[10:49] <ajmitch> heh
[10:49] <ajmitch> azeem: your work?
[10:50] <azeem> well, I promised it to myself to get multisync back into shape and package opensync for D
[10:50] <ajmitch> rave_: a debdiff should be much smaller :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> I'll take a look
[10:51] <rave_> ajmitch i did :: debdiff pure-ftpd_<IP_ADDRESS>.dsc pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7.dsc
[10:52] <rave_> and commited that to the diff you recved from me
[10:52] <ajmitch> hm
[10:52] <ajmitch> not so good
[10:52] <rave_> want the 2 dsc files ?
[10:52] <rave_> then you can see for your self
[10:52] <ajmitch> please just attach the output of debdiff pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7.dsc pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7ubuntu1.dsc
[10:52] <ajmitch> I can fetch 1.0.19-7 from debian
[10:53] <rave_> i did the debdiff from <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:53] <rave_> since that was on breezy
[10:53] <ajmitch> yep
[10:53] <rave_> and bugged
[10:53] <rave_> so thats what your seeing
[10:53] <ajmitch> no
[10:53] <ajmitch> I'm seeing much much more, unless the debian/rules is horribly broken
[10:53] <rave_> ddnt touch it
[10:54] <ajmitch> since there are a lot of generated files
[10:54] <azeem> lifeless: anyway, I also had issues when trying to sync my Siemens mobile
[10:54] <rave_> i can email you pure-ftpd_1.0.19-4 and pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7 so you can check
[10:54] <azeem> lifeless: my plan was to update the multisync package to current 0.8x CVS, apparently there will be no more commits to that branch
[10:54] <rave_> also newly created debfiles because the only file i changed was
[10:54] <rave_> control
[10:55] <rave_> and added depend : inetd
[10:55] <ajmitch> rave_: please, just the output of  debdiff pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7.dsc pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7ubuntu1.dsc
[10:55] <ajmitch> :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> it should be only a few lines instead of several thousand
[10:57] <dholbach> how about a new review day?
[10:58] <dholbach> announce it with the motu report?
[10:58] <ajmitch> sure
[10:58] <ajmitch> 1 week from now?
[10:58] <ajmitch> sat 10th december?
[10:58] <dholbach> weekend?
[10:58] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:58] <ajmitch> that weekend would be good
[10:58] <ajmitch> or this one
[10:59] <dholbach> maybe we can discuss the date on our new MAILING LIST :)
[10:59] <ajmitch> hehe
[11:00] <ajmitch> yay, diablo-d3 trolling again on -devel
[11:00] <\sh> phew
[11:00] <\sh> what?
[11:01] <\sh> new ml list?
[11:01] <ajmitch> yes
[11:01] <ajmitch> ubuntu-motu
[11:01] <ajmitch> see lists.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <\sh> woot..
[11:01] <\sh> kewl
[11:01] <dholbach> :-D
[11:01] <\sh> wow...two new things today :) what a day
[11:01] <\sh> THANK YOU GOD !
[11:02] <\sh> ah no...not u bddebian :()
[11:02] <\sh> dholbach: announce the new "Ubuntu MOTU School"
[11:02] <lucas> I tried to work on the merge of libgettext-ruby
[11:02] <lucas> so I justed motu-tools to run ./lpbugs.py -n libgettext-ruby
[11:02] <lucas> my mail was sent
[11:02] <dholbach> \sh: go ahead :)
[11:02] <lucas> but there's no bug created on launchpad
[11:02] <lucas> is there a whitelisting swhere ?
[11:03] <dholbach> \sh: maybe check if more people would like to have a different name :)
[11:03] <dholbach> hey lllmanulll :)
[11:03] <lllmanulll> Hey :)
[11:03] <\sh> dholbach: why? I think the name is nice...because we all will join :)
[11:03] <dholbach> hm
[11:03] <dholbach> i see :)
[11:03] <\sh> that means even DDs and old MOTUs and old MAINs can stay there and listen and learn :)
[11:04] <lucas> am I being ignored by everybody here ? :/
[11:04] <lifeless> azeem: sounds good
[11:04] <rave_> oops
[11:04] <rave_> wrong button :|
[11:04] <\sh> lucas: your email should be in your LP account
[11:04] <dholbach> lucas: to be honest, i didn't have much time to look into motutools yet, sorry
[11:04] <lifeless> lucas: no
[11:04] <lucas> dholbach: this has nothing to do with motutools
[11:05] <lucas> I am trying to work on a merge
[11:05] <\sh> lucas: check the sending email address on your email server....
[11:05] <lucas> \sh: the one confirmed ?
[11:05] <lucas> ok ..
[11:05] <lucas> that might be the issue
[11:05] <lucas> ok
[11:05] <\sh> lucas: the sending email address must be mentioned in your LP account
[11:06] <\sh> and you need your gpg key in your LP account as well
[11:06] <lucas> why doesn't lpbugs run sendmail with -f sender ?
[11:07] <rave_> ajmitch what did i miss ? i touched the wrong button
[11:07] <lucas> it seems it doesn't set the envelope's from
[11:07] <lifeless> because thats your MUA's job
[11:07] <lifeless> setup mail correctly;0
[11:07] <ajmitch> rave_: please don't use >>, I want a clean debdiff :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> instead of apppending
[11:07] <lucas> lifeless: s/MUA/MTA ?
[11:07] <lifeless> MUA
[11:07] <lifeless> -user-
[11:07] <rave_> ajmitch did you see a double entry ?
[11:08] <rave_> or did you suggest it ?
[11:08] <lucas> well, when I send a mail using lpbugs, lpbugs is my MUA
[11:08] <ajmitch> rave_: in your last comment I saw on launchpad
[11:08] <rave_> ajmitch let me get you a clean diff
[11:08] <siretart> lucas: why should it use -f?
[11:08] <rave_> can i email you directly ?
[11:08] <ajmitch> yes
[11:09] <lucas> to set the envelope's from
[11:09] <siretart> lucas: it is the job of your mta to do necessary rewriting
[11:09] <lucas> not just the From in the DATA part of the mail
[11:09] <lucas> no
[11:09] <rave_> ajmitch whats your email ?
[11:09] <lucas> (also, filtering on the envelope's from is a bad idea)
[11:09] <ajmitch> rave_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>my other account is having issues today
[11:09] <rave_> oki
[11:10] <siretart> *shrug*
[11:10] <rave_> hold on patch will fly the digital high way :)
[11:10] <lucas> ok, I used the smtp transport
[11:11] <lucas> this works
[11:14] <siretart> lucas: does cron (or other system tools using /sbin/sendmail directly) send mails with correct Return-Path/From?
[11:15] <lucas> they send mail with address:
[11:15] <lucas> username_on_local_system@mail_system_name
[11:15] <lucas> if your system is blop.siretart.org, this would be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <lucas> the problem with lpbugs is that you have to hijack the envelope's from address to get accepted
[11:16] <lucas> since launchpad looks at the envelope's from and not the mail's from
[11:17] <\sh> lucas: u should do some rewritings
[11:17] <lucas> well it's more launchpad's fault than lpbugs' fault, but it's easier to fix it in lpbugs ;)
[11:17] <siretart> lucas: nope. my system name is 'hades.olymp.tauware.de', but mails send from that laptop should sound<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:17] <siretart> and thats why lpbugs.py works for me
[11:18] <ajmitch> lucas: send via smtp, rather than sendmail :)
[11:18] <lucas> ajmitch: I did, it worked, but I spent 30mins trying to figure out what was wrong
[11:18] <ajmitch> I know
[11:18] <ajmitch> I had exactly the same thing
[11:18] <ajmitch> until kiko told me where my emails were bouncing from
[11:19] <lifeless> lucas: envelope from has to be valid too
[11:19] <lifeless> lucas: thers a big myth that it does not matter, but unfortunately that myth is bullshit
[11:20] <rave_> ajmitch you got email
[11:20] <lifeless> lucas: its *entirely* appropriate for automated systems to deal with the envelope from until they consider it 'delivered'
[11:20] <ajmitch> rave_: no, it's going slow today :)
[11:20] <lucas> lifeless: yup, but launchpad should look at the mail's from to compare it with the emails you registered
[11:20] <rave_> i just posted it 10 sec ago so dont wurry :)
[11:20] <lucas> anyway, the easiest is just to forge the mail and use SMTP directly.
[11:21] <lifeless> lucas: uh? Just fix your config
[11:21] <lifeless> should be 1 minutes wor
[11:21] <lifeless> k
[11:21] <lifeless> lucas: are you using postfix or exim ?
[11:21] <lucas> postfix
[11:22] <lucas> say my system is blop.lucas.org. my default envelope from is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:22] <ajmitch> rave_: that package must have some horrendous cleaning failures
[11:22] <lucas> but I need to use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get to launchpad
[11:22] <lucas> both work
[11:22] <ajmitch> --- pure-ftpd-1.0.19.orig/configuration-file/Makefile
[11:22] <ajmitch> +++ pure-ftpd-1.0.19/configuration-file/Makefile
[11:22] <lifeless> lucas: hmm. I misunderstood the issue being reported
[11:23] <lucas> but I have to forge the envelope from too in lpbugs, or register<EMAIL_ADDRESS>as my email in LP
[11:23] <lifeless> lucas: that is indeed a bug in lp
[11:23] <siretart> for exim, just edit /etc/email-addresses
[11:23] <lifeless> can you file it in malone ?
[11:23] <lucas> yes I will
[11:23] <Kyral> hmm
[11:23] <lifeless> be sure to note that the envelope sender is correct in this case, and that it should not be considered by lp in terms of mail validity.
[11:23] <siretart> just out of interest, how to configure rewriting in postfix?
[11:23] <Kyral> can't setup bootchart
[11:26] <lucas> when working on merges, how do you check that the package builds on dapper ? (ie where do you download source from, etc) ?
[11:26] <dholbach> packages.debian.org/src:<srcpkg>
[11:26] <ajmitch> rave_: you still didn't debdiff against 1.0.19-7, did you?
[11:26] <dholbach> and after hte merge i build it in a dapper pbuilder
[11:26] <ajmitch> since all the patch hunks that matter are rejected
[11:27] <lucas> ok
[11:27] <rave_> ajmitch no packages.ubuntu.com showed me the dsc of 10.19-4
[11:27] <rave_> so i used that
[11:27] <rave_> and the org source as well
[11:28] <ajmitch> I asked you not to
[11:28] <ajmitch> since 1.0.19-7 is in dapper
[11:28] <Kyral> Whats the command to force Initrd to update again?
[11:28] <ajmitch> & I requested a debdiff against that
[11:28] <rave_> ajmitch im sorry
[11:29] <rave_> let me correct that
[11:29] <ajmitch> since we're only uploading fixes like this to dapper
[11:29] <ajmitch> so the fix has to be made for dapper (eg in debian/changelog)
[11:29] <ajmitch> +pure-ftpd (1.0.19-7ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low
[11:29] <ajmitch> you can't have unstable there
[11:29] <rave_> ipure-ftpd (1.0.19-7) [universe]
[11:29] <rave_> i see now
[11:30] <rave_> sorry
[11:30] <rave_> my bad
[11:30] <rave_> :|
[11:30] <rave_> you will have with in 10 min
[11:31] <rave_> its only a fix in control
[11:31] <ajmitch> yep
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: we all do mistakes :)
[11:31] <ajmitch> but it's valuable learning for you ;)
[11:31] <siretart> but for us, katie tells us stories ;)
[11:31] <rave_> ajmitch yes thanks !
[11:31] <ajmitch> Kyral: caffiene molecule
[11:32] <Kyral> You want to whip it up I'll put it in there :P
[11:32] <Kyral> but putting caffine into a 48x48 image?
[11:32] <ajmitch> no, you should use your tools to make it :)
[11:32] <Kyral> I can't make GFX worth shit :P
[11:33] <rave_> making changelog ...
[11:34] <rave_> ubuntu1 right ?
[11:34] <ajmitch> yes
[11:34] <rave_> oki
[11:34] <rave_> unstable must be dapper
[11:34] <rave_> if im correct
[11:35] <ajmitch> yes
[11:35] <rave_> im getting good in this :p
[11:36] <rave_> building :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> rave_: you can just do debuild -S
[11:39] <ajmitch> to get a source package
[11:39] <ajmitch> rather than rebuilding it everytime
[11:39] <rave_> hmmm
[11:39] <rave_> i did : dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k<mykey>
[11:39] <ajmitch> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S
[11:40] <rave_> darn the debdiff is small now
[11:40] <ajmitch> no need to sign, because your key isn't in the ubuntu keyring
[11:40] <rave_> rave@ubuntu:~/pure$ debdiff pure-ftpd_1.0.19-7.dsc pure-ftpd_1.0.19-8ubuntu1.dsc | wc -l
[11:40] <rave_> 28
[11:40] <rave_> rave@ubuntu:~/pure$
[11:40] <ajmitch> that's better
[11:40] <rave_> :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> rather than 12000 lines
[11:40] <rave_> lol yeah :)
[11:40] <rave_> let me send it to you
[11:40] <ajmitch> ok
[11:41] <rave_> firebird crash
[11:41] <\sh> dholbach: did u subscribed all MOTUs?
[11:41] <rave_> *pad
[11:41] <\sh> dholbach: to the new list?
[11:42] <dholbach> \sh: no
[11:42] <\sh> dholbach: ok...so I'll subscribe manually
[11:42] <rave_> ajmitch your email crashes firebird on reply :p
[11:43] <rave_> *thunderbird
[11:43] <ajmitch> yay
[11:43] <anavim> LaserJock, I pitched my $0.02 in - I'm adamw on ubuntu forums - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=533556&posted=1#post533556
[11:44] <rave_> ajmitch ... send ...
[11:45] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:45] <rave_> hii
[11:45] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[11:46] <sistpoty> seems like siretart wants to beat \sh during merges *g*
[11:46] <siretart> huhu?
[11:46] <siretart> hey sistpoty
[11:46] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[11:46] <sistpoty> you spam my inbox ;)
[11:46] <\sh> sistpoty: there is no run actually
[11:46] <LaserJock> anavim: cool, good post
[11:47] <siretart> sure, because I have no chance against \sh anyway ;)
[11:47] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:47] <\sh> ah go away you
[11:47] <siretart> :)
[11:47] <\sh> I just had a hard lesson :)
[11:48] <dholbach> good night everybody
[11:48] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:48] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:48] <siretart> gn8 dholbach
[11:48] <rave_> ajmitch ... look
[11:48] <rave_> +pure-ftpd (1.0.19-8ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low
[11:48] <\sh> cu dholbach
[11:48] <rave_> should be
[11:48] <LaserJock> good night dholbach
[11:48] <rave_> +pure-ftpd (1.0.19-8ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[11:48] <ajmitch> rave_: -8?
[11:48] <siretart> sistpoty: did you notice, we have now a ubuntu-motu mailing list!
[11:48] <ajmitch> sorry, you were changing 1.0.19-7, right?
[11:48] <rave_> ajmitch yes
[11:48] <sistpoty> siretart: I did and I'm subscribed ;)
[11:48] <ajmitch> so it should be 1.0.19-7ubuntu1
[11:48] <siretart> :)
[11:49] <rave_> it was that already
[11:49] <rave_> and dhc -i changed it to -8
[11:49] <ajmitch> ignore what dch says
[11:49] <rave_> i didnt read that on the wiki :p
[11:49] <ajmitch> it must be 1.0.19-7ubuntu1 :)
[11:49] <rave_> ok
[11:49] <rave_> fixing ...
[11:49] <rave_> sorry for the redo`s
[11:49] <ajmitch> thanks
[11:49] <rave_> :|
[11:50] <rave_> pure-ftpd (1.0.19-7ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low
[11:50] <rave_> jackpot ?
[11:50] <ajmitch> looks better
[11:50] <rave_> good
[11:51] <rave_> what was the buildpackage again you mentioned ?
[11:52] <ajmitch> debuild -S
[11:53] <rave_> ok
[11:53] <ajmitch> you might want to install devscripts if you haven't already
[11:53] <rave_>  did that already
[11:54] <rave_> sudo debuild -S
[11:54] <ajmitch> no need to do sudo
[11:54] <rave_> W: pure-ftpd source: ancient-standards-version 3.5.2
[11:54] <rave_> W: pure-ftpd source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[11:54] <rave_> W: pure-ftpd source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 1.0.19-7ubuntu1
[11:54] <rave_> W: pure-ftpd source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log
[11:54] <rave_> normal ?
[11:54] <rave_> the 2nd from below ?
[11:55] <ajmitch> yes
[11:55] <rave_> oki
[11:55] <ajmitch> the config.log part is annoying though
[11:56] <rave_> :|
[11:56] <rave_> aborted
[11:56] <ajmitch> hm?
[11:56] <rave_> can i paste 10 lines ?
[11:57] <ajmitch> not in here
[11:57] <ajmitch> use a pastebin
[11:57] <rave_> np fixed it
[11:58] <ajmitch> ok
[11:58] <rave_> btw did you see my MOTU logo ?
[11:58] <rave_> on wiki..../MOTUlogo ?
[11:59] <rave_> lucas im so proude of you !
[11:59] <rave_> :)
[11:59] <rave_> thats better then my bug fixing :p
[11:59] <lucas> heh
[11:59] <lucas> looks like ;)
[12:00] <rave_> i will learn in the end :)
[12:00] <rave_> because im writing everything down
[12:00] <rave_> the do`s and do not`s
[12:00] <lucas> write them swhere on the wiki
[12:00] <rave_> yeah thats a good idea :)
[12:00] <ajmitch> ok, time to go
[12:00] <ajmitch> bbl
[12:01] <rave_> i will if my patch is successfull
[12:01] <rave_> ajmitch do you mail me if its okey ?
[12:01] <sistpoty> l8er ajmitch