[09:13] <pstolowski> hey!
[09:29] <mup> PR snapd#11910 closed: gadget/device: introduce package which provides helpers for locations of things <Needs Samuele review> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11910>
[09:34] <mup> PR snapd#11815 closed: client,cmd/snap: add journal quota frontend (5/n) <Needs Samuele review> <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11815>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapd#11938 opened: i/apparmor: allow calling which.debianutils <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11938>
[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#11939 opened: asserts: add more context to key expiry error <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11939>
[16:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3825 closed: requirements: update craft-parts to 1.8.1 <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3825>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1980861 opened: Please enable CONFIG_SQUASHFS_DECOMP_MULTI_PERCPU <Snappy:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980861>
[16:44] <mup> Bug #1980861 changed: Please enable CONFIG_SQUASHFS_DECOMP_MULTI_PERCPU <Snappy:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980861>
[16:47] <mup> Bug #1980861 opened: Please enable CONFIG_SQUASHFS_DECOMP_MULTI_PERCPU <Snappy:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1980861>
[18:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3826 opened: Hotfix/7.0.9 <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3826>
[18:47] <mup> PR snapcraft#3826 closed: Hotfix/7.0.9 <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3826>
[18:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#3827 opened: hotfix/7.0.9 merge <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3827>
[19:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#3828 opened: manifest: correctly handle unspecified stage packages <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3828>
[20:32] <ahasenack> hi, just saw this in the samba mailing list:
[20:32] <ahasenack> " Ubuntu is now mainly using snap for many apps. After joining my domain, I realised no snaps could run, and found out that snaps cannot run outside of the /home/$USER directory.
[20:32] <ahasenack> I'm assuming the apparmor profile hardcodes the home directory to /home/$user?
[20:32] <ahasenack> instead of what's defined for each user in /etc/passwd?
[20:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#3828 closed: manifest: correctly handle unspecified stage packages <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3828>
[21:53] <mup> PR snapcraft#3829 opened: build(deps): bump lxml from 4.9.0 to 4.9.1 <dependencies> <python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3829>
[23:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3827 closed: hotfix/7.0.9 merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3827>


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[09:50]  * apw hates computers
[09:50] <ogra_> and they hate you too :)
[09:51]  * ppisati hates computers and humans: /me wins!
[09:53] <apw> ppisati, humans go without saying surely :)
[09:54] <apw> ogra_, so very true
[10:01] <apw> ppisati, elloco is still running fine, 48hrs
[10:02] <ppisati> apw: nice
[10:05]  * apw pops to the postoffice, lucky me
[11:22] <cking> apw:   git config alias.fixed "bisect bad"
[11:22] <cking>   git config alias.buggy "bisect good"
[11:23] <cking> apw:  make deb-pkg INSTALL_MOD_STRIP=1 -j 24
[11:39] <apw> those bisect aliases are such an obvious solution, and done that way they are repo specific
[11:45] <apw> cking, we must make sure js is aware
[11:45] <cking> yup, will do
[13:30] <rtg> ogasawara, do you have a haswell ?
[13:31] <rtg> just pushed a couple of raring master-next patches for intel_idle that I'd like to get tested.
[13:36] <ogasawara> rtg-afk: yep I do, I'll test and get back to you
[13:57] <tjaalton> ogasawara: hey, could it be possible to "enable" some non-haswell machines to use i915_hsw instead of the older i915 on quantal kernel?
[13:58] <ogasawara> tjaalton: definitely possible I would think, we'd just need to move the pci id's from one to the other
[13:58] <tjaalton> ogasawara: right, that's what the people testing the new machines on the oem pipeline have done now for quick testing
[13:59] <ogasawara> tjaalton: if testing supports moving to the i915_hsw driver I wouldn't be opposed as it would be hw specific and low risk of regression
[13:59] <tjaalton> it's unfortunate that i915 modesetting was rewritten in 3.7 so that it's very hard to backport anything eDP related :/
[13:59] <ogasawara> tjaalton: I gotta jump on a call right now.  send us a patch if it's what you guys want.
[14:00] <tjaalton> ogasawara: ok, I'll see how it goes and get back to you or someone who could do the changes, thanks
[14:00] <tjaalton> yeah that works
[15:18]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:42] <rtg> apw, git://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_kernel_asus_grouper.git for N7 origin ?
[15:43] <apw> rtg, checking
[15:44] <apw> rtg, looks to be the same cm-10.1 in both
[15:44] <rtg> apw, thats what the phablet dudes were using ?
[15:44] <apw> rtg, that looks to be the base for their stuff yes
[15:44] <rtg> k
[15:49] <rtg> apw, incidentally, I've had to disable aufs and overlayfs for todays 3.9 rebase. the usual maintenance BS. wanna put that on your TODO list ?
[15:49] <apw> rtg, ack, yep as soon as we get an -rc1 i'll start fixing it i recon
[15:49] <rtg> that shuold be soon
[15:50] <apw> yeah i was assuming so nideed
[15:50] <rtg> apw, I've been rebasing daily just so the number of new configs isn't so mind numbing to go through.
[15:50] <apw> rtg, i assumed as much :)
[15:51] <apw> i've done a couple of preliminary passes over the config too for the same reason
[15:51] <rtg> most so far appear to be straightforward
[15:52] <apw> yeah i didn't see anything i wanted to change in review, so thats good
[16:30] <apw> Bisecting: 104 revisions left to test after this (roughly 7 steps)
[16:30] <apw> sigh
[16:41] <jsalisbury> rtg, apw, Are the kernel header files available if the lts backport kernel is used? Seems they may be missing per bug 1134441
[16:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1134441 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel headers are missing from 3.8" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1134441
[16:42] <apw> jsalisbury, that might mean he has not installed the common package
[16:43] <rtg> jsalisbury, I'll check in a bit. you can have a look yourself at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/r-lts-backport
[16:43] <apw> apw@dm:~/git2/ubuntu-raring$ ls /usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-7
[16:43] <apw> arch    Documentation  fs       ipc      kernel    mm       scripts   tools   virt
[16:43] <apw> they are in the normal raring kernel ones, so if they arn't in backport we would be supprised
[16:43] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg, thanks for the info, I'll update the bug.
[16:46] <apw> linux-headers-3.8.0-7-generic_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_amd64.deb (1.0 MiB)
[16:46] <apw> linux-headers-3.8.0-7-generic_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_i386.deb (1.0 MiB)
[16:46] <apw> linux-headers-3.8.0-7_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_all.deb (76.8 KiB)
[16:46] <apw> there is something there, but it does look a little small
[16:46] <apw> rtg, did you copy the machineary from the previous release, from the lts-quantal ?
[16:47] <rtg> apw, mostly I think. its been awhile
[16:47] <apw> rtg, there was a change in raring debian* i think to hand the change to uabi headers
[16:47] <apw> handle
[16:47] <rtg> it should get it automatically, right ?
[16:47] <apw> i would have thought so, hmm
[16:50] <apw> rtg, the file list for the package in the build looks ok though
[16:50] <apw> jsalisbury, i would download that _all .deb and just 'less foo.deb' on it and see if it has the usr/src directory in it
[16:50] <jsalisbury> apw, will do
[16:51] <apw> jsalisbury, oh did cking tell you about 'git buggy' ?
[16:51] <jsalisbury> apw, is there a link to show the builds for both archs, or do I have to look at i386 and amd64 separately
[16:51] <jsalisbury> apw, yeah, I saw that post.  Pretty cool stuff
[16:51] <apw> separatly
[16:52] <jsalisbury> apw, ok, thanks.
[16:52] <apw> jsalisbury, so very simply, and its per-repo so you can do it safely in all your pending repos
[16:52]  * apw is doing a reverse bisect now, and it has saved my fragile mine
[16:52] <apw> mind
[16:52] <jsalisbury> apw, I'm going to look into the ktest.pl script.  It looks interesting
[16:54] <jsalisbury> apw, I've been just touching a file called REVERSE-BISECT in the src directory, so I remember to think backwards, heh.
[16:54] <apw> just setting the aliases the right way before you start in each has worked great for me
[16:56] <jsalisbury> apw, yeah that would work well.  I have so many bisects going at once I would have to do it on a per src tree basis maybe.  I have a separate tree for each bug I'm bisecting.
[16:56] <apw> those aliases are per-tree by default
[16:57] <jsalisbury> apw, great.  I'm going to give that a try then :-)
[16:57] <cking> it definitely saves a lot of pain
[16:59] <jsalisbury> apw, cking, thanks for the info.  It will help a great deal.
[17:03] <jsalisbury> apw, the linux-headers-3.8.0-7-generic_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_amd64.deb seems to have a /usr/src directory, so I'll check that the bug reporter installed the package correctly.
[17:04] <apw> jsalisbury, great
[17:04] <jsalisbury> apw, thanks again
[17:06] <rtg> jsalisbury, he shuold be installing linux-generic-lts-raring to get both kernel _and_ headers
[17:06] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok
[17:13] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg, I looked at linux-headers-3.8.0-7_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_all.deb.  It looks like it may be missing some stuff.  Especially when comparing to the mainline all headers package at: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.8-raring/
[17:14] <apw> jsalisbury, ok 'great' so it is real
[17:14] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg, here's a file size comparison:
[17:14] <jsalisbury> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jsalisbury jsalisbury    78630 Feb 27 12:09 linux-headers-3.8.0-7_3.8.0-7.16~precise1_all.deb
[17:14] <jsalisbury> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jsalisbury jsalisbury 12190890 Feb 27 12:10 linux-headers-3.8.0-030800_3.8.0-030800.201302181935_all.deb
[17:15]  * ppisati -> sweating
[17:16] <ogra_> ppisati, no wonder after that election :P
[17:16] <ogra_> would make me sweat too :)
[17:16] <ppisati> ogra_: actually after the election i wanted to hang myself... but that's another story...
[17:17]  * ppisati -> gym
[17:17] <ogra_> ah, no, dont hang yourself for stupidity of people
[17:23]  * smb -> dinner
[17:36] <JanC> I'm not sure the Italian election results are all that bad, depending on how mature the politicians involved will act on them...
[17:42] <cking> politicians and mature are words that don't exist in the same universe
[17:45]  * cking -> food
[18:25]  * rtg -> lunch
[19:04] <rtg> apw, pushed nexus7 master-next after rebase and config harmonization. would you run your config annotation tools over it ?
[20:38]  * rtg -> EOD
[23:42] <hggdh> bjf: I opened bug 1134927 against QRT, Raring; eventually they will have a patch for it
[23:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1134927 in QA Regression Testing "QRT apparmor failures on test-pam-*, Raring" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1134927
[23:47] <bjf> hggdh, ack


[06:02] <Mathias> no answers, weird
[06:04] <JoseeAntonioR> Mathias: I think you need to talk to the LoCo Council first, to see if that's an idea that would continue, as something similar has brought some probs for Spanish talking LoCos
[06:05] <Mathias> ok
[06:06] <Mathias> i'll do that later
[06:06] <JoseeAntonioR> !lococouncil | Mathias: sure, this may help:
[10:46] <kaziweb> Can any one help me on ---> I always see this one "(~mmrazik@cst-prg-55-5.cust.vodafone.cz)" sitting in our #ubuntu-qa. is he harmful? or should we ban or kick?
[10:48] <jussi> kaziweb: does he say anything ? people idle in channels for a lot of reasons, not harmful if he isnt actively annoying the channel
[10:56] <kaziweb> jussi: he is not saying anything.
[10:58] <IdleOne> Do you have reason to believe they are doing something wrong?
[10:59] <jussi> kaziweb: I sit in a lot of channels and rarely/never say anything. nothing wrong with that
[10:59] <IdleOne> me too
[11:01] <kaziweb> Ok then it is fine. I just asked it to be confirmed as the he has a long address.
[11:03] <kaziweb> Jussi: And he arrive with several different addresses.
[11:03] <kaziweb> you can check in #ubuntu-qa
[11:40] <pleia2> kaziweb: that address juts means they're using vodaphone in switzerland
[11:40] <pleia2> probably a mobile connection
[11:40] <pleia2> (not sure it's much longer than most ISP addresses :))
[11:41] <jussi> cz? czech republic pleia2 iirc (ch is switzerland) ;)
[11:46] <pleia2> ah, right :)
[11:47] <pleia2> to many cs!
[12:21] <kaziweb> Pleia2: I've no problem if it is not harmful. I just thought if he is hacker or using our #ubuntu-qa for bad purpose!! same person using too many cs!!
[12:48] <kaziweb> Pleia2: Ok I found him. No problem. He is from Canonical. Sorry for the inconvenience.
[13:05] <IdleOne> oh, if he is from Canonical, ban him now :)
[13:05] <IdleOne> lol
[13:07] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:09] <Pici> Yeah, those Canonicalers should be writing their code right the first time, no need for QA
[13:10] <kaziweb> I'm confused!!
[13:11] <Pici> kaziweb: we're just joking around.
[13:11] <kaziweb> haha ok.
[13:13] <kaziweb> In fact I did it once!! But does't work. He is so powerful. haha
[13:16] <Myrtti> ok


[00:00] <ericrost> any idea how to set a usb audio device as the default in xfce?
[00:44] <jmichaelx> would anyone here know how to get the debian menu to show up in the xfce menu?
[00:46] <crimsun> have you installed the 'menu' package?
[00:49] <jmichaelx> yes. i have menu and menu-xdg installed... and have also run update-menus
[00:54] <ermoved> jmichaelx, did you open xfce menu editor and make sure the system menu is included?
[00:54] <jmichaelx> i do have 'other' listed in my xfce menu, but i don't really think that is the debian menu... i don't think it quite lists everything
[00:55] <ermoved> what about system
[00:55] <jmichaelx> ermoved: i didn't. i can look.
[00:55] <ermoved> there should be an entry to --include-- the "system" menu items
[00:55] <jmichaelx> wellm system is just a short list and is always in the xfce menu
[00:56] <ermoved> no
[00:56] <jmichaelx> yeah, but that is not the same as the debian menu
[00:56] <ermoved> well okay, there is the "system" section in xfce menu, but there is also the "system menu" that should be included
[00:57] <ermoved> hmm.. try selecting "use custom menu file" and selecting the menu file created by menu-xdg?  i'm at a loss.
[00:58] <jmichaelx> hmm
[00:59] <ermoved> totally baffled as to what is missing/what you need.  the menu is typically automatically updated and includes everything...
[00:59] <jmichaelx> are you aware of what the debian menu is?
[01:00] <ermoved> apparently not
[01:01] <jmichaelx> for example, i want to see some gnome & kde utilities in my xfce menu that it is not listing... the debian menu lists everything
[01:01] <ermoved> right
[01:01] <ermoved> my xfce menu lists all my gnome and kde programs.  this is why im confused.
[01:02] <ermoved> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menu-xdg/+bug/71317
[01:02] <jmichaelx> that may be, although i have never seen the xfce menu list everything like you are saying.
[01:02] <ermoved> you can add it to your xfce menu if you follow that link
[01:02] <ermoved> just edit menu.xml
[01:04] <jmichaelx> ok, i appreciate it.... i didn't recall having had such a hard time adding the debian menu in the past. this bug repot explains it.
[01:04] <jmichaelx> report*
[01:05] <ermoved> np
[01:05] <ermoved> i'm still baffled, though
[01:05] <ermoved> all my apps show up in the xfce menu
[01:05] <ermoved> wierd.
[01:06] <jmichaelx> i think if you check , there are actually packages installed on your system that are not listed in your xfce menu.... that has always been the case
[01:06] <llllluis> hello everyone good nite 2 u all
[01:06] <ermoved> i'm checking now, actually
[01:08] <jmichaelx> ermoved: that is actually the case with any desktop environment... gnome and kde are the same way. many things are not in the default menus.
[01:09] <ermoved> i must be missing a package... cause my "debian menu" entry is empty.
[01:09] <ermoved> haw
[01:09] <llllluis> i really love to switch to xubuntu, but i found that we can try it before intalling it and the reason 4 me not to is cause i got this Kyocera 650 from Iusacell to get internet access and while on trial i amazingly saw that xubuntu do reconize my Kyocera, the problem is that it keeps discconecting from it and also it keeps closing the browser can somebody tell me how to fix this pls???????
[01:12] <ermoved> hmm.. now i cant right click my menu and deselect the option to use menu.xml
[01:12] <ermoved> nice
[01:15] <llllluis> so does anyone knows how to fix my problem pls
[01:30] <llllluis> so guys does any of you knows how can i fix this pls???????
[01:35] <llllluis> ok guys if this is the case can some one at least refer me with somebody or someplace where i can find how to solve this pls???????
[01:36] <camerongroom> would somebody please help me get my bottom taskbar back in gnome
[02:47] <glennop> hi, i have a question about firefox ...
[02:50] <l_r> hello
[02:51] <l_r> is there a way to make xfce show the full name of an icon on the desktop?
[02:51] <l_r> when it is long ,it is trunked
[02:51] <l_r> i dont want that
[02:54] <glennop> sorry, i do not know.
[03:19] <Mishabuntu> hi everyone, I'm new here
[03:32] <unix> hey guys im needing some help with gfx drivers
[03:33] <unix> im on my moms laptop and her monitor is broken so im using a secondary monitor
[03:33] <unix> the gfx card is an intel 945gm
[03:34] <unix> ive tried using the default xserver-xorg-video-i810 and it doesnt work or im not doing something right since its the second display
[03:34] <unix> tive tried xserver-xorg-video-intel as well
[03:35] <unix> anyone have any ideas/?
[03:36] <cmdbbq> just switched to xubuntu, and i was wondering if anyone has a recomendation for a music player? what are you guys using?
[03:36] <unix> audacious
[03:46] <tomkat> howdy--is this the correct chan for a total newb?
[03:46] <laughalots> anyoen actove?
[03:48] <unix> im nt getting any answers so i'd have to say no
[03:48] <Mishabuntu>  I was wondering if anyone could help me with a trouble.... prboom (like doom) 8 bit mode looks similar to monochrome, but bluish and black. The GLmode looks fine but I need to have the video in 8 bit mode. Do I need to change a setting in the config file? or?
[03:48] <unix> no idea sorry
[03:50] <unix> hey guys im needing some help with gfx drivers
[03:50] <unix>  im on my moms laptop and her monitor is broken so im using a secondary monitor
[03:50] <unix>  the gfx card is an intel 945gm
[03:50] <unix>  ive tried using the default xserver-xorg-video-i810 and it doesnt work or im not doing something right since its the second display
[03:50] <unix>  tive tried xserver-xorg-video-intel as well
[09:33] <jdwpom> .msg nicserv identify qazwsx
[09:36] <jdwpom> So, I know this is one of those 'retard' questions, but I was wondering if there's a long list of everything that starts up after usplash, anywhere on my machine?  Something's bringing it down, it's not the panel, window manager, desktop or a couple of other programs (firefox included) and I'm just going to go all trial-and-error, running each one off a terminal until I find what's causing...
[09:36] <jdwpom> ...the problem, see.  THEN I'll probably be back here asking what I can do about it.
[09:38] <jdwpom> don't make me pull the 'Linux is crap' card out, people.
[09:39] <TheSheep> jdwpom: but it is :)
[09:39] <jdwpom> It SO isn't, it just dislikes me.
[09:40] <TheSheep> jdwpom: did you look into the logs?
[09:40] <jdwpom> Quite frankly, until today, I've had about, gosh, thre weeks of uptime
[09:41] <TheSheep> /var/log/messages.0 should contain the last activity just before last reboot
[09:42] <jdwpom> That .xsession-errors you mentioned earlier didn't sem to say anything obvious to me.    Couldn't find Gonme-Do (I uninstalled it.  Big Whoop.  Hasn't caused issues before) then Segmentation fault.  I suspect that last one's the issue
[09:43] <TheSheep> jdwpom: what exactly happens?
[09:44] <jdwpom> Login, desktop background flashes up for a moment, no icons, then I'm booted back to a login screen.
[09:45] <jdwpom> My current plan involves starting everything one-by-one from a terminal, and seeing how far I can get.
[09:46] <TheSheep> what graphics card do you have?
[09:46] <jdwpom> *shrug*  Intel Onboard.  It's working fine at this very second, though.  Just when I try to do a normal boot, it screams at me
[09:47] <TheSheep> disabling compositor might help
[09:47] <jdwpom> Compositing's working fine, as we speak.
[09:47] <TheSheep> it's crashing X when some programs try something on some video drivers
[09:48] <TheSheep> (I know, very specific ;) )
[09:48] <jdwpom> (It happens)
[09:48] <TheSheep> video drivers and trouble with them seem to be the most common reason for X crashing in my experience
[09:49] <jdwpom> Coming out of failsaf terminal, I can happily start up:  nm-applet, firefox, a KDE-based Mud client, Panel, xfdesktop, xfwm, and anything I click off of the panel, so I can only assume it's some random service.
[09:50] <TheSheep> see autostarted applictions in settings
[09:51] <jdwpom> Righty, all unticked bar a network manager.  Will be back shortly with news
[09:58]  * jdwpom hugs The Sheep
[09:58] <jdwpom> Right, so we have a boot 'proper' boot.  Good news - not the network manager
[09:58] <jdwpom> And with only four options to go through to figure it out, this one'll be a doddle from here in.
[10:00] <jdwpom> So, between update notifier, power manager, Print Queue applet and checking for new hardware drivers, which do you think is the most likely culprit?
[10:02]  * jdwpom shrugs
[10:03] <jdwpom> I'll just play around.  Thanks anyhow.  Really means a lot.
[10:20] <FlyOnTheWall> considering this chan has over 60 people in it, it seems quite dead ;P
[10:21] <jdwpom> Ack.  Seems I'm back at square one, but with a couple of possible clues
[10:23] <jdwpom> .xerror shows: nm-applet:23268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[10:23] <jdwpom> (xfwm4:23253): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: ICE I/O Error
[10:23] <jdwpom> (xfwm4:23253): libxfcegui4-WARNING **: Disconnected from session manager.
[10:23] <jdwpom> Segmentation fault
[10:24] <jdwpom> and prior to that
[10:24] <jdwpom> ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-CSCSx23111/agent.23111
[10:24] <jdwpom> ** (nm-applet:23268): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[10:24] <jdwpom> (nm-applet:23268): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[10:26] <FlyOnTheWall> weird errors
[10:27] <FlyOnTheWall> "weird" as in "not something you'd expect from an out-of-the-box installation"
[10:28] <jdwpom> Can't think of anything major that I've done that would mess with startup.  I mean, there's a couple of extra installed programs here and there, but nothing that kicks in at boot.
[10:33] <FlyOnTheWall> I assume you've tried deleting any x chaches and such?
[10:33] <FlyOnTheWall> I mean,for the user that is about to log in
[10:35] <jdwpom> Yeah,. figured there might be something odd in a saved session.  No joy, until we hit on those autostarted apps.
[10:35] <jdwpom> That, and, well, now it seems to be happening well after loogin.  Kind of a plus, kind of a minus
[10:38] <FlyOnTheWall> iow, not directly good or bad; just different ;)
[10:39] <jdwpom> I call it an improvement that I don't have to jump through hoops just to boot :D
[10:40] <FlyOnTheWall> ah, so you can actually log in now?
[10:41] <jdwpom> Well, I could before.  It was the bits AFTER that that weren't working.  And now I seem to be in a state of 'might crash anytime'.
[10:42] <FlyOnTheWall> are you certain that's not a hardware issue?
[10:42] <FlyOnTheWall> like, a damaged PSU or faulty memory?
[10:43] <jdwpom> I'd love to think so, but I managed to rnu things from the terminal earlier, then left it up while I went to work.  Came back, still going.
[10:45] <FlyOnTheWall> I'd suggest running a memory check
[10:45] <FlyOnTheWall> just to be sure
[10:46] <jdwpom> Righty, on my way.  Back soonish
[12:09] <FlyOnTheWall> Does anybody know how to adjust the resolution in Xubuntu, when the appropriate resolutions aren't displayed in the list?
[12:11] <Valsum> Most likely, an appropiate driver for your gfx card is missing in that case.
[12:11] <FlyOnTheWall> well that's the thing, it's a thin client system
[12:11] <FlyOnTheWall> the only difference is the monitor
[12:12] <FlyOnTheWall> all other parts are identical, at least as far as two components of the same model can be identical
[12:12] <FlyOnTheWall> and it works on one, and not on the other
[12:21] <Valsum> FlyOnTheWall: no idea, sorry.
[12:28] <FlyOnTheWall> yeh, me neither ._.
[12:28] <FlyOnTheWall> was hoping there would be life on this channel to get this solved, I've tried so many things already it's getting frustrating banging my head against the wall
[12:29] <FlyOnTheWall> I'm starting to believe there's a bug in the Xubuntu LTSP that makes it ignore lts.conf
[12:29] <knome> !resolution
[12:30] <FlyOnTheWall> knome: thanks, but I somehow doubt those instructions apply to an LTSP setup
[12:30] <knome> suppose so. didn't read your previous messages, sorry
[12:30] <knome> i'm kind of going already
[12:31] <FlyOnTheWall> yeh, np, thanks for some input anyway ;)
[14:32] <ricky_> I've got a problem.     I loaded Xubantu 8.10 and the Grub. Noe I can't log in to my windows. Can anyone help me?
[14:38] <vidd> ricky_, what is the error you get when you hit "esc" and choose "windows"?
[14:38] <vidd> when you get the count-down to load grub?
[14:38] <ricky_> says NTLDR is missing.
[14:39] <vidd> vista?
[14:40] <ricky_> XP Pro
[14:40] <vidd> ok
[14:41] <vidd> im looking
[14:42] <ricky_> I tried the XP disk recovery and ran fixboot. didn't help.
[14:42] <vidd> did you add a second drive to the system and immediately install linux on that disk as a master...leaving windows installed on the original disk and change that drive to slave?
[14:43] <ricky_> yes linux is on its own seperate drive.
[14:43] <vidd> http://www.tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm
[14:43] <vidd> there ya go....
[14:44] <vidd> in the future, leave the windows drive as master
[14:44] <vidd> or....
[14:44] <ricky_> And no I didn't change it to slave.
[14:45] <vidd> did you boot windows after you added the second drive?
[14:45] <ricky_> The drive was already instaled on my computer but unformated.
[14:47] <ricky_> The drive I instaled linux on is a SATA drive and XP is installed on a IDE drive
[14:47] <vidd> so windows booted, saw the drive, recognized the drive, remapped the NTLDR to account for the new drive before you installed linux?
[14:47] <ricky_> yes
[14:47] <vidd> ok....follow the instuctions on the link i sent you....
[14:48] <vidd> you will probably need to get instructions on fixing grub afterwards
[14:49] <ricky_> what link?
[14:50] <vidd> http://www.tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm
[14:50] <vidd> its the only link posted since you enter the room =]
[14:52] <ricky_> Ok I'll cheak it out. Thanks for the info and I hope it works. I'll llet you now if it does.
[15:32] <karen|> can ext3 read ntfs at all, or would i need to make a partition fat32 in order for both windows and xubuntu to read it?
[15:41] <Valsum> I think it can read it.
[16:27] <karen|> anyone around :(?
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> no :P
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> xubuntu can read ntfs by default (ntfs-3g). windows can read ext2/3 if you install the correct drivers (http://www.fs-driver.org/). Both can read fat32 by default, but fat32 has some limitations such as a 4 gb size file limit... also, it fragments more than ntfs and ext3
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> karen|: ^
[16:33] <karen|> thank you :D
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> np
[16:33] <karen|> another question too actually
[16:33] <karen|> i got gparted so i can resize my xubuntu partition, but it doesnt want to let me do it
[16:34] <karen|> any idea why?
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> karen|: well, probably because it is mounted..
[16:34] <karen|> i am entirely new to most of this stuff so i dont know what that means
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> karen|: are you on xubuntu? you can't resize the partition if you are using it...
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> karen|: don't worry, we all started somewhere.. :)
[16:35] <karen|> so how can i resize it :(
[16:35] <Odd-rationale> karen|: well, do you have the livecd?
[16:35] <karen|> no
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> karen|: ok. well you can use the ubuntu or xubuntu livecd. and boot from the cd, so that your hard drive will not be used (or mounted).
[16:36] <karen|> hmm k
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> karen|: or, if you don't want to download the whole cd, you can download a disc that only has gparted on it: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> karen|: also, puppylinux has gparted on it. it is only <100mb to download: http://puppylinux.org/downloads/official-releases/puppy-linux-412
[16:39] <karen|> can xubuntu burn the iso correctly?  cuz i dont have a windows program to do it right
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> karen|: yes. you should find brasero installed... at least on the latest version of xubuntu...
[16:41] <karen|> ah ha
[16:42] <slow-motion> hi
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> !hi | slow-motion
[16:43] <karen|> okay now after this burns, i can boot to the live-cd and edit the partition?
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> karen|: yes. i would also advise to backup any important data...
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> before resizing.
[16:44] <karen|> would it affect the windows partition too? because that's the only one with important stuff on it
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> karen|: if you are not resizing or moving the windows partition, then it should not.
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> (theoretically)
[16:46] <karen|> :3
[16:46] <karen|> thanks Odd, youve been a big help
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> np. i take you are dual booting... i hope you are enjoying xubuntu!
[16:47] <karen|> i am dual booting and i am enjoying learning xubuntu :)
[16:48] <karen|> now i shall go and attempt to shrink it though, because it really doesnt need 67gb...
[16:54] <yotux> anyone offer some help on getting a usb headset to work in xubuntu
[17:17] <romanov_> **Hello, please who knows anything about JabRef - Lyx pipe (lyxpipe file) ?
[17:44] <p3n1x> so i installed amarok but its saying it cannot play MP3's whats up?
[17:45] <p3n1x> where did i screw up the mp3 codecs lol
[17:45] <p3n1x> so suitable demux plugin. this often means the format is not supported is the error its spitting out
[17:47] <The-Kernel1> did you install ffmpeg?
[17:47] <p3n1x> probably not. ill check on installin that in a moment. that had mp3 codecs?
[17:48] <p3n1x> right now im installin virtualbox
[17:48] <p3n1x> so i can just goto add/remove and search ffmpeg and load it up
[17:49] <p3n1x> whats the sugested way to add programs for this dist? throu synaptic? add/remove? or i can just apt-get em too? all work but whats the prefered method for yall?
[17:54] <The-Kernel1> I like the command line
[17:55] <The-Kernel1> aptitude is the best imho
[17:56] <p3n1x> i like cmd line too :) i come from freebsd no gui world :)
[17:56] <The-Kernel1> ah]
[17:57] <The-Kernel1> yeah, sudo aptitude install ffmpeg
[17:57] <p3n1x> thanks for help, i must be goign, but i will be sure to idle here from now on
[17:57] <p3n1x> excellent. as soon as vbox is done doing its thang ill knock out ffmpeg
[17:58] <p3n1x> i guess what i like most about xubuntu is its so minimal! kinda like a freebsd base install. hardly any extras and just enough to do what is needed
[17:58] <p3n1x> if i want more, i put it there. its my system :)
[18:05] <p3n1x> ack, odd, i installed ffmpeg but its still saying no suitable demux plugin.
[18:07] <p3n1x> ack i see ffmpeg, and gstreamer extra, which shows mp3 there, lets give it a shot
[18:09] <p3n1x> ubuntu restricted extras seems to have it
[18:09] <p3n1x> nice
[18:10] <p3n1x> 30 min, ah smoke time, thanks again for help The-Kernel1
[18:27] <christian__> em hi
[18:28] <christian__> i have a little question, anyboidy help me???????
[18:28] <cody-somerville> ask the question
[18:28] <cody-somerville> and you'll find out :)
[18:29] <christian__> em i have xubuntu intrepid, and abiword is in its 2.6.4 version
[18:29] <christian__> i want to upgrade it to 2.6.5
[18:29] <christian__> thats it
[18:29] <christian__> think you can give me a hand?
[18:31] <cody-somerville> Sorry, Abiword 2.6.5 isn't packaged for Ubuntu yet
[18:31] <christian__> ah ok
[18:32] <christian__> it's just that some of my friends work in MS Office 2007
[18:32] <cody-somerville> However
[18:32] <cody-somerville> You can add a ppa and it'll install automatically for you
[18:32] <christian__> and sometimes the save files with the end x
[18:33] <cody-somerville> oh, it doesn't appear to be in the ppa yet
[18:33] <christian__> ok, im not in a hurry
[18:33] <christian__> im just asking, so the answer is that i should wait, right?
[18:33] <cody-somerville> yup
[18:33] <cody-somerville> or try Abiword.Org
[18:33] <cody-somerville> err...
[18:33] <cody-somerville> OpenOffice
[18:34] <christian__> em another little question, first Where are u from?
[18:35] <cody-somerville> Canad
[18:35] <cody-somerville> *Canada
[18:36] <christian__> ah ok, so i think in this case you cant help me
[18:36] <christian__> im colombian
[18:36] <christian__> ok thanks, you were pretty nice
[18:36] <cody-somerville> Feel free to hang out here :)
[18:37] <christian__> yeah, im new in GNU/Linux
[18:37] <christian__> and newer in Xubuntu
[18:38] <p3n1x> its great :) im liking it alot
[18:38] <christian__> i used Ubuntu for like 2 weeks but it was a bit SLOW
[18:38] <p3n1x> im from freebsd world though :)
[18:38] <p3n1x> ubuntu is slow! on my laptop it drags but xubuntu is faster
[18:38] <p3n1x> my main system however i just like it becAUse its minimal and fast :)
[18:39] <christian__> then i herad about Xubuntu, i installed it on my laptop, and it runs just like i wanted
[18:40] <christian__> the only thing i dont like is that Xubuntu is like a SON of Ubuntu , and it's difficult find exact information abput it
[18:40] <p3n1x> just reference ubuntu first, then debian 2nd
[18:40] <p3n1x> since its based of ubuntu, and ubuntu is debian based :)
[18:40] <p3n1x> its all *nix same general stuff and approach
[18:41] <christian__> yeah, but because im new in GNU/linux as i said (been using it for a little more than one month)
[18:41] <p3n1x> welcome to the world :)
[18:41] <Twile> I wish Xubuntu came in a UMPC (USB) distro like they made for Ubuntu (8.10)
[18:42] <p3n1x> does it not?
[18:42] <christian__> the changes from Windows to GNU/Linux are sometimes big
[18:42] <p3n1x> i mean it does right?
[18:42] <charlie-tca> p3n1x: no, there is no UMPC version yet
[18:43] <christian__> but when i get more experience, i will help new people like me
[18:43] <christian__> and espread the  word
[18:44] <p3n1x> yes yes :) spread the words!
[18:44] <Twile> Someone should attempt to build a UMPC ver.
[18:45] <p3n1x> also check out nubuntu :)
[18:45] <Twile> okay
[18:46] <christian__> jum ¬.¬
[18:46] <Twile> ooglay
[18:48] <christian__> p3ni1x and Twile, you guys are like software engineers or something related to software?
[18:48] <Twile> nope
[18:49] <Twile> im just a regular home user
[18:49] <Twile> I have a dual-boot system with ubuntu & XP
[18:49] <christian__> ah, im a civil engineering student, and a "regular home user"
[18:50] <p3n1x> network geek guy
[18:50] <christian__> and i have XP and Xubuntu on my laptop
[18:50] <Twile> cool cool
[18:50] <p3n1x> unemployed at the moment, got laid off from my last job. network security support
[18:50] <p3n1x> its hard times right now eh :)
[18:50] <Twile> I wanna save upp & get a macbook and use it to run OSX, XP, and Ubuntu  horrary for rEFIt
[18:51] <Twile> http://macapper.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134
[18:52] <p3n1x> nothing related to software/programming just like network/server admin security junk. its a mess of skills?
[18:52] <christian__> em i didnt understand a word
[18:53] <p3n1x> ok :)
[18:53] <sinbox> why a macbook, they're just intel based now, so you could get something very similar for a fraction of the price, unless you are a design freak
[18:55] <christian__> i have a compaq presario f500, it was a present 2 years ago, it came with GREAT windows vista installed (GREAT was not what i meant obut Vista), and it was SSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO slow, but i could install XP on it
[18:56] <christian__> then about 6 motnhs ago i found out about free software, and like one month ago i decided and i liked it
[19:05] <sinbox> nice, you could probably run osX on thast laptop you know ;-)
[19:07] <crazy2be> i'm having a weird problem
[19:08] <crazy2be> the xubuntu disk (latest version) gets to the selection screen
[19:08] <crazy2be> the first one, with "Try xubuntu qithout any changes to your computer"
[19:08] <crazy2be> etc
[19:09] <crazy2be> if i select any of the options (other than boot from first hard disk),
[19:09] <crazy2be> it comes up with a little mesagebox, and does nothing
[19:09] <sinbox> what does the message box say?
[19:10] <crazy2be> for the first option, it says "Boot Loader" as the title
[19:11] <crazy2be> and "/casper/vmlijuz" as the text
[19:11] <sinbox> nothing happens?  you tried the "check CD" option?
[19:11] <crazy2be> yes
[19:11] <crazy2be> i tried it
[19:11] <sinbox> and nothing?  could be a faulty CD
[19:12] <crazy2be> it says "check"
[19:12] <crazy2be> and the same title
[19:12] <crazy2be> "Test Memory" says "memtest"
[19:13] <crazy2be> it's the strangest thing ever :/
[19:14] <sinbox> how did you get the CD?  I reckon it's probably faulty
[19:14] <crazy2be> i downloaded it from one of the mirrors
[19:14] <crazy2be> and burned it with cdburnerxp
[19:15] <christian__> crazy2be did you try checking the cd for errors?
[19:16] <crazy2be> how?
[19:16] <crazy2be> i did the menu option, as i explained allready
[19:16] <crazy2be> and that doesn't do anything, just the messagebox
[19:17] <sinbox> probably a corrupted download then, or it got corrupted during the burning process
[19:17] <crazy2be> :/
[19:17] <crazy2be> it's quite bizzare
[19:17] <crazy2be> *sigh*
[19:17] <crazy2be> it took me 3 hours to download
[19:18] <crazy2be> so i don't really want to do it again :\
[19:18] <sinbox> are you on broadband? if so download it again and burn it again to be sure, I think there is a checksum to check it with somewhere as well so you can use that to make sure the download is ok
[19:18] <sinbox> then check the checksum
[19:18] <crazy2be> i'm on broadband
[19:18] <crazy2be> the servers i'm downloading it from aren't
[19:19] <crazy2be> it's like 20 KB/s
[19:19] <sinbox> well, if you have a bittorrent client you could use that, all the times I did that it came down at about 700kbps
[19:21] <crazy2be> ok
[19:21] <crazy2be> have a link?
[19:24] <crazy2be> (a bittorent one)
[19:24] <crazy2be> since there does not appear to be one on the website
[19:25] <sinbox> I can only find links for 8.04 for torrents, weird
[19:27] <sinbox> anyway I found the checksums for the CD if you want to try that first: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/
[19:27] <sinbox> the bit torrent links are on that same page
[19:28] <sinbox> nicely hidden I'd say :)
[19:31] <crazy2be> yeah :P
[19:31] <crazy2be> i just found it now :P
[20:09] <crazy2be> much better!
[20:09] <crazy2be> 130KB/s
[20:54] <crazy2be> kk, all downloaded
[20:55] <crazy2be> i'll see if this one works
[21:14] <crazy2be> si i re-downloaded it
[21:14] <crazy2be> and re-burned it (to a different CD)
[21:14] <crazy2be> but it's still having the same problem
[21:15] <crazy2be> except now i selected the first option (the rest came up with the messageboxes)
[21:16] <crazy2be> and it's doing something, possibly
[21:17] <crazy2be> nothing i can see
[21:17] <crazy2be> but it's not letting me cahnge menu options anymore
[21:19] <sinbox> hmmm, not sure what to suggest here I'm afraid, have you asked in the main ubuntu channel as well and looked on the forum?
[21:27] <crazy2be> not yet
[21:27] <crazy2be> not sure what i would even look for on the fourms..
[22:15] <crazy2be> i just deceded to post a thread in the ubuntu fourms
[22:16] <crazy2be> the ubuntu IRC channel had no idea eather
[22:16] <crazy2be> :/
[22:37] <RandyboY> Anyone please help me with a problem... I have a laptop here which had xubuntu installed. Everything worked fine until an update. This is the owners word; the update said he had a similar program and he got the message "cant install, close and try again". he went through the list of updates and removed the program it wanted to download. the update icon disappeared and he was asked to reboot. rebooted and got into command line... how to ge
[22:38] <TheSheep> it got cut off on 'how to ge'
[22:38] <TheSheep> and what was that program?
[22:39] <RandyboY> ... rebooted and got into command line... how to get desktop back?
[22:39] <RandyboY> he dont remember
[22:39] <RandyboY> as we speak im trying apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[22:39] <RandyboY> its downloading
[23:01] <ballzee> i just added a new motherboard now i cant get my system toe anyone know why ? boot unless i use the disk to boot the sda driv


[03:22] <kermiac> stlsaint: *very* belated !pong
[03:23] <stlsaint> kermiac: VERY
[03:23] <stlsaint> kermiac: you know anything about assigning mentors?
[03:24] <kermiac> stlsaint: I know that vish is one of the admins
[03:25] <kermiac> stlsaint: this will give you a list of the other admins who can assign mentors - https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship/+members#active
[03:25] <kermiac> oops, I left the "edge" in the link
[03:27] <stlsaint> aye i am looking for vish
[03:28] <kermiac> stlsaint: you might have more luck during the week
[03:30] <stlsaint> kk thanks
[04:32] <nigelb> holstein: she's done all that
[04:32] <nigelb> if you can guide her through reporting bug via no-redirect that would be awesome
[04:33] <holstein> hey nigelb
[04:33] <holstein> was that meant for me?
[04:33] <nigelb> holstein: that was from scrollback about tux
[04:33] <nigelb> if she comes back please help her out
[04:34] <holstein> OH yeah
[04:34] <holstein> i was hoping that would spark a discussion about the issue
[14:51] <vish> gnome Bug 171940 !
[14:51] <ubot2> Gnome bug 171940 in general "Add a time machine to GTK+" [Enhancement,Needinfo] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171940
[14:51] <vish> gnome Bug 50000 !
[14:51] <ubot2> Gnome bug 50000 in Bugzilla "We're now in the 50000er number space" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50000
[14:52] <penguin42> hi vish
[14:52] <vish>  hehe  , bgo is full of fun stuff like those ;p
[14:52] <vish> penguin42: hey ;)
[14:52] <penguin42> most channels seem to be pretty dead today
[14:52] <vish> yup.. bad start to the month :(
[14:52] <penguin42> I don't suppose you're any good with drm ioctl code?
[14:53] <vish> penguin42: its your lucky day!
[14:53] <vish> or maybe not .. :p
[14:53] <vish> penguin42: nope , i dont know :)
[14:53] <penguin42> bah
[14:53] <penguin42>  #radeon and #ubuntu-kernel are dead
[14:55]  * penguin42 has been trying to get to the bottom of bug 606081
[14:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606081 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "radeon_info_ioctl: [340700.513619] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at fffffffff0ea1e74 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606081
[15:03] <crimsun> you're better off asking during UK business hours
[15:04] <penguin42> crimsun: Yeh of course the problem is I work during those most of the time
[15:09] <penguin42> ooh yes, fixed it - I have google earth working!
[15:24] <penguin42> I'm not sure I 100% understand it though
[23:34] <CaneToad> does anybody know what the overall bug is for SIGSEGV problems in vfprintf in libc evident in 10.04?  There's a serious issue in 10.04 that has broken oodles of apps... for example http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=vfprintf+ubuntu+10.04+site:launchpad.net&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[23:35] <CaneToad> This is evident with a right-up-to-date 10.04
[23:52] <chilicuil> good afternoon, yesterday I asked here for the bug 610528, I'm assinging packages to the reports who doesn't have one, and someone kindly told me I should ask for WoL output, I've do it and it happens that WoL is disabled, so I wonder what should I do next?, should I ask for apport output?, the person who reported it has already fixed his issue and he's just trying to make it gone to ubuntu
[23:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 610528 in ubuntu "Ethernet port fails to properly shut down when the computer turns off (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610528


[02:57] <emgent> hello
[09:02] <kwwii> moin moin
[20:07] <xanax`> hello
[20:18] <xanax`> Is there a way to "test" the upcoming Intrepid Ibex dark theme on my ubuntu 8.04 system ?
[20:32] <xanax`> Hmm. I found the way to do it.
[22:09] <Viper550> I've noticed the new dark theme Intrepid has
[22:47] <zerwas> Viper550, nice.
[22:47] <zerwas> Viper550, or do you mean a change to the dark theme?
[22:47] <Viper550> its pretty cool
[23:04] <xanax`> is it normal that the orange horizontal line at the top of windows isn't centered ? (in the dark theme)
[23:10] <_MMA_> xanax`: Yes. That's normal. Reason being centering moves the stripe *behind* the buttons and obscuring them.
[23:10] <_MMA_> Im sure a better solution will be found.
[23:11] <xanax`> ok
[23:41] <Viper550> oh yeah, they ported the crystal kwin theme to KDE
[23:41] <Viper550> 4
[23:47] <cody-somerville> Hey art people.
[23:47] <cody-somerville> Opinions? http://cody.zapto.org/xubuntu-new-website-mock3.1.png
[23:47] <Viper550> cool, but wrong colors boy
[23:49] <pwnguin> heh
[23:49] <pwnguin> well, the seperator below ubuntu needs a better render
[23:50] <pwnguin> are those .jpg?
[23:51] <pwnguin> cody-somerville: also, depending on the html and your audience, that content font might be too small
[23:52] <pwnguin> and im not sure that lorem ipsum is representative of what will be there in the final
[23:54] <pwnguin> cody-somerville: overall, im afraid to say it, it kinda looks like Vista
[23:55] <cody-somerville> Like the Vista website?
[23:55] <pwnguin> like the OS
[23:55] <pwnguin> the background
[23:55] <pwnguin> the glass effects