[00:03] <RandomGuestAccnt> Hello again. I'm trying to get an ethernet connection without having Network Manager installed. Removing (apt remove network-manager) seems to disable my connection on bootup. Should I activate systemd-networkd, or does a simple config setting suffice?
[00:05] <Biessie> no matter what i do on apt-get it gives me those errors every time
[00:05] <Biessie> getting annoying
[00:06] <Biessie> i may just reinstall ubuntu and wipe everything i have on it.
[00:06] <oerheks> is this on wsl ?
[00:07] <Biessie> oerheks : Talking to me?
[00:08] <Biessie> if so, i dont know what that is.
[00:08] <oerheks> and sudo apt install <what> exactly? just sudo apt install surely should not give this output
[00:09] <tears> 0
[00:10] <RandomGuestAccnt> Does anyone know? Do I need to enable a service like systemd-networkd (to get basic networking/routing) if I have disabled network-manager?
[00:10] <Biessie> okay so basically anytime apt-get makes changes and "triggers man-db" it gives me those errors
[00:10] <Biessie> watch let me run the autoremove command and ill copy/paste everything
[00:11] <oerheks> RandomGuestAccnt, netplan in 18.04
[00:11] <cw_the_developer> Hey how do I install the theme I just downloaded for HexChat
[00:11] <oerheks> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[00:12] <RandomGuestAccnt> oerheks: thanks, will read that now. Isn't netplan just a precursor, something that feeds either network-manager or systemd-networkd with config files?
[00:14] <oerheks> it is a new proper way to provision that, i guess.
[00:14] <leftyfb> Biessie: what version of ubuntu?
[00:14] <Biessie> leftyfb : 16.04 server
[00:15] <Biessie> here leftyfb and oerheks -- https://pastebin.com/QbPbrZ8t
[00:15] <Biessie> if you guys are stumped ill just go download the latest stable ubuntu version and reinstall
[00:15] <leftyfb> Biessie: type: dmesg    # look for errors, mainly ATA or IO errors
[00:15] <Biessie> id rather not but this is annoying
[00:16] <RandomGuestAccnt> oerheks: reading the article now, but can you tell me in advance: if I don't use network-manager, isn't it the case that I have to use systemd-networkd instead or nothing will be "set up" on boot? Or is there a more low level system that always does this job regardless of these services?
[00:17] <Biessie> leftyfb : Wow they have alot in this list lol.. how do i know what is ATA/IO?
[00:17] <leftyfb> Biessie: if you see those words/letters
[00:17] <Biessie> oh okay, not yet
[00:18] <leftyfb> ok, you'd see them toward the end
[00:18] <leftyfb> Biessie: sudo apt-get purge man-db
[00:19] <leftyfb> root_: you shouldn't IRC as root
[00:19] <Biessie> leftyfb  --> https://pastebin.com/ka3WN4Jk
[00:20] <oerheks> RandomGuestAccnt, ifconfig is depreciated, so i won't know for sure
[00:21] <leftyfb> Biessie: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[00:21] <leftyfb> Biessie: or sudo dpkg --configure keyboard-configuration
[00:21] <Biessie> leftyfb  --> https://pastebin.com/3Cemzkz1
[00:22] <Biessie> okay ill do that now
[00:22] <Biessie> https://pastebin.com/F66CD9tG
[00:22] <leftyfb> yeah, you're getting segfaults left and right. Something is seriously wrong
[00:23] <Biessie> best bet to reinstall? i literally dont know wtf i did lol. it's been a long time since i even logged into the box and it was running just fine
[00:23] <leftyfb> In my experience this is usually a hardware issue, mainly storage/filesystem issues
[00:23] <Biessie> Oh really?
[00:23] <leftyfb> or memory
[00:23] <Biessie> let me reboot it
[00:23] <leftyfb> maybe run a drive/filesystem test and a memory test
[00:23] <leftyfb> rebooting solves nothing
[00:24] <Biessie> i was running a node for crypto on it.. so when you said memory i just assumed it was eating up the ram
[00:24] <Biessie> i closed it about 15 min ago
[00:24] <Biessie> how do i run a memory test
[00:24] <oerheks> ..
[00:24] <leftyfb> if you were out of memory, you'd get OOM errors, especially in dmesg, not just core dumps
[00:25] <Biessie> gotcha
[00:25] <leftyfb> Biessie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MemoryTest
[00:25] <leftyfb> Biessie: https://www.tecmint.com/linux-disk-scanning-tools/
[00:25] <Biessie> thank you leftyfb for all your help and patience
[00:26] <Biessie> gretly appreciated. i will work on that now
[00:26] <Biessie> greatly*
[00:28] <mos_basik> Trying to install Ubuntu 18.04 (32 bit) using the minimal iso.  I only have wifi, and the ESSID contains several spaces and a comma.  The installer, when doing network setup, splits on the comma and lists the two strings as two separate networks.  I choose "Enter ESSID manually" and try to type it, but all attempts so far have just caused the installer to loop back to the beginning of network setup.  Tried: wrapping in double quotes,
[00:28] <mos_basik> wrapping in single quotes, not wrapping, and escaping the comma/spaces/both with backslashes.  Any ideas for more things to try?
[00:28] <mos_basik> I'm not the administrator of the wifi.  The administrator of the wifi thinks this is kind of funny and told me to get a real operating system.
[00:34] <raidghost> Any good Network Bridge Guide? Fedup soon with stuff spent hours trying to get working. and not working = Wasted time
[00:35] <RandomGuestAccnt> oerheks: creating and applying a simple netplan config.yaml worked. Looks like something like systemd-networkd is a requirement (if NetworkManager is gone) for having the interfaces brought up and routes set. The article was helpful, thanks.
[00:35] <oerheks> RandomGuestAccnt, have fun!
[00:36] <lessoffensive> testing...do I need registered nick?
[00:36] <lessoffensive> I guess not
[00:36] <lessoffensive> is there a specific channel for 18.04 LTS?
[00:37] <oerheks> lessoffensive, no, but there are specific desktop channels though
[00:37] <oerheks> this is main support, welcome
[00:38] <lessoffensive> what is the chan for desktop?
[00:39] <mos_basik> I'm curious as well if there a specific channel for the minimal install version.  It often seems kind of hidden away in the docs and not mentioned much.
[00:39] <oerheks> #xubuntu #lubuntu and such, see the channel list https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[00:39] <Biessie> leftyfb : I rebooted and those errors dissapeared...
[00:40] <leftyfb> Biessie: I wouldn't trust it .. it'll happen again
[00:40] <Biessie> im still going to do a clean install with 18.04 vs 16
[00:40] <Biessie> burning image now. but thank you again
[00:41] <mos_basik> thanks oerheks.  looks like the closest to what i'm looking for *might* be ubuntu-server
[00:41] <oerheks> mos_basik, the minimal option is now included in the standard 18.04 desktop iso else https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:41] <oerheks> or server, sure
[00:41] <lessthan0> am I correct that 18.04 LTS replaced unity with a custom gnome?
[00:42] <lessthan0> or is it something else?
[00:42] <oerheks> lessthan0, yes.
[00:42] <oerheks> but set Xorg standard over Wayland session
[00:43] <lessthan0> I think I am in the right place then
[00:43] <Biessie> while im here.. does ubuntu 18.04 support the Nvidia geforce g210m hydrid graphics?
[00:43] <Biessie> (laptop)
[00:44] <lessthan0> did you try it?
[00:44] <Biessie> lessthan0 : I am about to install it now
[00:44] <Biessie> i dont need GUI but.. wouldnt hurt
[00:45] <lessthan0> I think nvidia drivers are non-free so make sure to install non-free drivers during install
[00:45] <Biessie> will do :)
[00:45] <hiris1002> what should i do after installing ubuntu???
[00:45] <lessthan0> use it maybe
[00:45] <hiris1002> -__-
[00:45] <Biessie> LOL
[00:46] <hiris1002> ofcourse
[00:46] <mos_basik> Biessie: what do you mean by support? do you mean, can you use the gpu at all (probably)? or do you mean, can you dynamically switch between embedded and gpu like it would on windows (unlikely, or it will be tricky)?
[00:46] <lessthan0> I disabled some things and installed some things
[00:46] <lessthan0> posted a small bug report
[00:46] <lessthan0> about the installer
[00:46] <Biessie> mos_basik : if i can use the GPU at all
[00:47] <Biessie> i dont need it to switch to conserve power
[00:47] <mos_basik> Biessie: then yes, it should probably work.
[00:47] <Bashing-om> Biessie: That card takes an old 340.107 version driver .. soon to be dropped : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/135161/en-us .
[00:47] <arooni> anwyay to keep less than 3 versions of the same app with snap?  it's taking up 2gb w.r.t vlc
[00:48] <Biessie> Bashing-om : Yea this is an old laptop i am using for linux
[00:48] <Biessie> mos_basik : tanks
[00:48] <mos_basik> my geforce gt 540m worked (ancient, probably same vintage)
[00:49] <Biessie> Outside of windows 7.. the hybrids didnt work too well
[00:49] <mos_basik> yeah.  on my next laptop purchase, i decided to skip the gpu.  not worth the hassle for me.
[00:50] <Biessie> it really wasnt
[00:51] <lessthan0> I think the biggest problem right now with any distro is having support for 20 years of desktop, server, laptop, IOT hardware in one distro while still keeping the included kernel up to date.
[00:52] <lessthan0> just think about that for a minute
[00:52] <Biessie> ^
[00:53] <mos_basik> ooof.  should I just make a bug report about this comma in the SSID?  Every time I install a new distro, I have to figure out how to get around it for that distro.  I think I have it figured out once I'm in the system and using wpa_supplicant or networkmanager but if the installer chokes on it, it's rough work around
[00:54] <lessthan0> so the natural next step after getting everything installed and running is to uninstall packages. or install minimal and build it back up. pick your poison.
[00:54] <mos_basik> urk
[00:55] <mos_basik> is it haram to ask for distro rec's in this channel?
[00:56] <leftyfb> mos_basik: it's inappropriate. Try ##linux
[00:56] <mos_basik> thanks :)
[00:59] <lessthan0> I guess that nick is registered LOL should have thought of it first
[00:59] <oerheks> using irc as root is silly
[01:00] <lessthan0> its just a cool nick. I don't think he actually hmmm is he that much of a noob?
[01:01] <lessthan0> I am reading that you don't need to call it root on some versions of linux, you can call it anything
[01:02] <lessthan0> so when someone goes looking for it then they can never find it
[01:02] <blackflow> it's still uid=0
[01:02] <lessthan0> true
[01:04] <lessthan0> so let me ask you then, if someone tries to unobfuscate uid=0 to a login name, if they don't have permissions then they can't get the name they need to login right?
[01:04] <blackflow> what?
[01:05] <lessthan0> like if someone tries to brute force ssh or something and there is no root
[01:05] <lessthan0> there is no way to login local or remote from just uid=0 right?
[01:06] <blackflow> sorry, I can't parse that.
[01:06] <lessthan0> are userland users allowed to see a list of logged in users by default on most systems?
[01:08] <blackflow> I think they are, through who(1) command
[01:10] <Luxray5474> i still can't get over the fact that I wasted two days of my life because i used 'useradd' instad of 'adduser'
[01:14] <blackflow> Luxray5474: how so? adduser is perl "frontend" (so to speak) to useradd, functionally they're the same
[01:15] <strive> I heard in the past that adduser should typically be used on Debian-based systems.
[01:16] <Luxray5474> yeah but installing UnrealIRCd needs 'adduser' because that installs it in /home/user while 'useradd' installs in /root/
[01:16] <strive> useradd is the lower level utility.
[01:16] <Luxray5474> ^
[01:16] <strive> Interesting.
[01:16] <blackflow> lolwut!
[01:16] <Luxray5474> And 'useradd' puts you into a sort of paradoxial situation
[01:16] <Luxray5474> because it installs it in root
[01:17] <blackflow> installs what in root?
[01:17] <Luxray5474> unrealircd
[01:17] <blackflow> again, lolwut!
[01:17] <Luxray5474> and to access root you have to do 'sudo su' then cd to the root dir
[01:17] <blackflow> useradd is not softare installation utility
[01:17] <FurretUber> Is there a way to make the autorun.inf icon and name appear on Xubuntu 18.04?
[01:17] <blackflow> *software
[01:17] <Luxray5474> but you have to make a -separate user- for unrealircd
[01:17] <blackflow> yeah, so?
[01:18] <Luxray5474> and... doing useradd... makes it install in /root/
[01:18] <FurretUber> I have many USB pen-drives and would like it loads the icons and names to differentiate them
[01:18] <blackflow> Luxray5474: again, makes it install _what_  in /root?   useradd doesn't install any software
[01:18] <Luxray5474> i have to install unrealircd.
[01:18] <Luxray5474> had*
[01:19] <Luxray5474> now, to install unrealircd, you must do so from source, and make a new user JUST FOR unrealircd
[01:19] <Luxray5474> so, that's where useradd and adduser comes in.
[01:20] <Luxray5474> adding a user with useradd which is lower level than adduser, will have it install in /root/.
[01:20] <Luxray5474> but, using 'adduser' makes it install in /home/user/
[01:20] <blackflow> you're talking nonsense. you can't "install" a "user" into the /root/ directory
[01:20] <Luxray5474> ok look
[01:20] <blackflow> are you talking about _home_ directory?
[01:21] <Luxray5474> When you install unrealircd, it has to install into a directory because it's from source.
[01:21] <Luxray5474> everything has to install into a dir
[01:21] <Luxray5474> when you make a user with adduser
[01:21] <blackflow> right. and useradd is not a tool that installs anything. it creates a system user.
[01:22] <Luxray5474> i know.
[01:22] <blackflow> so it doesn't install anything under /root/
[01:22] <Luxray5474> you make a user with adduser, isntall unrealircd while logged in as the unrealircd user
[01:22] <blackflow> there's nothing to install. a system user is registered in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
[01:23] <blackflow> Luxray5474: sounds like you borked the $HOME env
[01:23] <blackflow> because you can't install under /root/ when you're "logged in as <not root>"
[01:24] <blackflow> (unless you use su or sudo)
[01:25] <Luxray5474_> ugh we had a little power surge
[01:25] <Luxray5474_> but here let me explain
[01:28] <Luxray5474_> blackflow:  as main account, 'sudo adduser unrealircd' > log into unrealircd user > download unrealircd in account > install unrealircd in account > it installs in /home/unrealircd > it has the right file permissions > run unrealircd in account
[01:28] <Luxray5474_> You have to run an ircd as NOT ROOT
[01:29] <Luxray5474_> when you create the user using useradd, the unrealircd installer will install it into /root/unrealircd which is bad, because to access that location you must 'sudo su' then cd into the dir
[01:30] <Luxray5474_> but when you try to run it, it will not let you because you are root
[01:30] <Luxray5474_> so you must exit su
[01:30] <Luxray5474_> but when you do you get shot back out of /root/
[01:30] <Luxray5474_> and you can't do sudo cd
[01:31] <blackflow> sudo cd makes no sense
[01:31] <Luxray5474_> that's why you can't do 'sudo cd'
[01:31] <blackflow> what you describe makes no sense. you can't install anything under /root as a non-root user, without su or sudo, in which case, "well duh"
[01:32] <Luxray5474_> i forgot to mention that to make the installer actually place the files in /root/unrealircd you must run it wuth sudo
[01:32] <blackflow> note that without -l for su, or -i for sudo, the environment is not changed. so if you su from root without -l, $HOME will remain /root, and if for some reason you then again sudo something, then it'll end up in root
[01:33] <Luxray5474_> i must admit i never knew that until now
[01:35] <Slothernopolis> Hi all. Anyone ever deal with "aacraid: Host adapter reset request. SCSI hang ?" with Dell's PERC 3/i Adaptec hardware raid card? According to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=92129 REHL fought this for 18 months back in 2003/4 without a definitive solution.
[01:37] <tomreyn> to me, the definitive solution to undebuggable HW RAID issues is: don't use HW RAID.
[01:39] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: which ubuntu release + kernel version are we talking about?
[01:40] <Slothernopolis> 16.04.4 4.4.0-128-g
[01:41] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: try a google trasnlation of this german language article, it contains workarounds: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Adaptec_Controller_Timeout_Fehler
[01:42] <tomreyn> if machine translation doesn't help. ask me about the unclear spots, i can help translate it.
[01:42] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn: The default device timeout is 45 already.
[01:42] <Slothernopolis> I tried to increase it to 60 to test, but I wasn't able to actually set it for some reason
[01:42] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: how about irq conflicts?
[01:43] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn That's in interesting angle, but I can't imagine that being the case. I'm working with a Dell PowerEdge 2650
[01:44] <Slothernopolis> I should also note, that I've seen this across multiple 2650's
[01:44] <tomreyn> well just search your logs
[01:44] <tomreyn> IRQF_DISABLED
[01:44] <tomreyn> shared IRQ
[01:45] <Slothernopolis> Nothing found
[01:45] <tomreyn> also try a hwe kernel
[01:45] <tomreyn> !hwe
[01:46] <leftyfb> those 2650's were beasts. As in, power hungry
[01:46] <leftyfb> and very outdated at this point
[01:46] <Slothernopolis> I know :/
[01:46] <Slothernopolis> Working with what I have lol
[01:47] <Slothernopolis> At least they're not running NT4 anymore
[01:47] <leftyfb> I have 2 650's sitting right near me which were the same generation. They literally have IDE connectors in them
[01:47] <blackflow> eeew!
[01:47] <Slothernopolis> ..yep.. /wrists
[01:48] <Slothernopolis> And CD drives
[01:48] <Slothernopolis> and floppies.
[01:48] <leftyfb> yep
[01:48] <Slothernopolis> Oh, and single rank memory only. lol
[01:48] <Slothernopolis> Just hang me
[01:49] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: this discusses a driver which might work around it http://ask.microsemi.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17202
[01:49] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn are there any negatives to the hwe kernel?
[01:49] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: negatives, as in negative side effects of running a HWE kernel rather than the GA kernel?
[01:50] <tomreyn> the above driver is no longer available at its original location, but there is a newer copy, including source code, and a 16.04 directory, here https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/speed/raid/aac/linux/aacraid_linux_drivers_ppc_v1_2_1-52011_tgz.php
[01:50] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn I came across that article and was able to successfully install StorMon which gave me all kinds of cool info
[01:50] <Slothernopolis> THATS new tho
[01:51] <Slothernopolis> Your googlefu is strong. How'd you come across that?
[01:51] <tomreyn> startpage.com search for: aacraid_linux_min_drivers.tgz (without quotes)
[01:51] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn Yes, negatives to running the HWE kernel versus the GA
[01:53] <tomreyn> GA kernels are supported (on this very kernel version) for th eentire lifetime of an LTE release. HWE releases have shorter support timespans, meaning you have to update + reboot when they go EOL.
[01:53] <tomreyn> but then you probably want to do that occasionally anyways.
[01:53] <tomreyn> but that's pretty much it.
[01:54] <Slothernopolis> tomreyn Thank you. I've never compiled a driver from source before, anything I should know?
[01:54] <tomreyn> get help from someone who did then ;)
[01:55] <Slothernopolis> So how badly can this go wrong? haha
[01:55] <tomreyn> chances are this wont apply cleanly to HWE kernels
[01:56] <tomreyn> it may to the GA one, though, since they included one which did.
[01:56] <tomreyn> on the other hand the gcc version may be older.
[01:56] <Slothernopolis> I was going to try the driver first, but it needs to be recompiled since the link was for PPC
[01:56] <tomreyn> doh, indeed
[01:57] <tomreyn> well lets hope the source code is x-platform then
[01:59] <Slothernopolis> make fails lol
[01:59] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: try these https://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/speed/raid/aac/linux/aacraid_linux_drivers_v1_2_1-52011_tgz.php
[02:02] <tomreyn> here's the documentation for the kernel in-tree module https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/scsi/aacraid.txt
[02:03] <Slothernopolis> Close with that driver, I need a i686 version. That download had x64 and ppc641e
[02:03] <Slothernopolis> Dell PERC3/di is on that list
[02:04] <tomreyn> chances are the in-tree one is actually a lot more robust, though, is you look at the commit log https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/scsi/aacraid
[02:05] <tomreyn> i686 lol
[02:06] <Slothernopolis> Look, it pains me to ask for help about this haha
[02:06] <Slothernopolis> I promise this isn't fun for me lol
[02:12] <dunnousernamefn> Hey, so I'm trying to use that file roller or whatever program to extract a .rar I downloaded with some autocad files in it, but when I extract it it says 'parsing filters are unsupported'
[02:13] <dunnousernamefn> It extracts one file and the other is 0 bytes
[02:14] <dunnousernamefn> I even tried redownloading the file and I get the same problem
[02:15] <MxMax> dunnousernamefn, https://askubuntu.com/questions/801426/parsing-filters-unsupported-error-during-extraction-of-rar-file
[02:15] <dunnousernamefn> That's really weird
[02:16] <dunnousernamefn> Maybe it's because I installed ubuntu-desktop over my install
[02:16] <dunnousernamefn> Thanks
[02:17] <dunnousernamefn> It works great now
[02:20] <Slothernopolis> @tomreyn Looks like this adaptec driver is going to be a no go, I found an "unsupported linux" source package but it won't compile easily. Should I just consider the HWE option and see how it goes?
[02:25] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: for sure worth a try. you could also replace the hardware. ;)
[02:25] <Slothernopolis> I've been lobbying, hopefully next year.
[02:25] <Slothernopolis> I have 4 of these, btw lol
[02:29] <tomreyn> Slothernopolis: maybe replace them by raspis, might be faster. and surely cheaper.
[02:30] <Slothernopolis>  /walk of shame
[02:31] <qwebirc95584> place that lists which vertions are best for different hardware? i have 4 computers that originally came with xp i need to put new OS on
[02:31] <leftyfb> qwebirc95584: install ubuntu
[02:32] <qwebirc95584> but which one   these are core duo processors
[02:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc95584: ubuntu 18.04
[02:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc95584: ubuntu.com/download
[02:33] <qwebirc95584> they will run the new version?
[02:33] <leftyfb> qwebirc95584: did you try?
[02:34] <qwebirc95584> no i just thought i would need an old one as these are 10 year old computers
[02:34] <leftyfb> qwebirc95584: There's not much benefit from running older versions of ubuntu. Especially when there's really only 3-5 versions that are technically still supported in any manner
[02:36] <George_> Hello. Does anyone know anything about the Omap zoom2?
[02:36] <qwebirc95584> ok if it wont overload them i will get that one  thanks
[02:36] <Bashing-om> qwebirc95584: 2007 build : sysop@x1810:~$ .
[02:37] <tomreyn> George_: i do. it's a hardware. and this channel is about ubuntu, an OS.
[02:37] <George_> @tomreyn I'm trying to get Ubuntu to boot on it.
[02:38] <leftyfb> George_: try #ubuntu-arm
[02:38] <George_> Thanks!
[02:40] <sarcastico> Away - sleep.
[03:39] <Linephreak> !list
[04:25] <Biessie> leftyfb : I have 18.04 installed now :)
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: tnx for the feedback
[04:30] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : He was helping me earlier so i decided to remove 16.04 and install 18.04. just following back with my success
[04:30] <Biessie> im not the best with linux stuff.. just learning
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: great idea, thank you and welcome to the ubuntu community
[04:31] <Biessie> thank you
[04:31] <Biessie> i wish my wifi would automatically connect on re-boot and not have to be manually enabled
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: wich wifi chipset do you have?
[04:32] <Gobo708> Hi All, just installed Ubuntu 18.04 and I am trying to set up the network on VM to access external content..... I am trying to restart the network manager without a reboot but everything I try is failing.... NetworkManager not fouind
[04:33] <Gobo708> Any ideas, how I can restart the network after updating /etc/Netplan/50..........yml
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | Gobo708
[04:33] <Biessie> lotuspsychje  - does this make sense? Intel® WiFi Link 1000 Integrated 802.11a/b/g/n
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: yes tnx, so on a reboot, it does not enable by default?
[04:34] <Biessie> it didnt on the first 2 reboots. but i did a command i found online and didnt test it yet. let me track it down
[04:35] <Gobo708> lotuspsychje, you are supposed to use netplan to restart it?
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: are you the admin of your system or multiple users, so a keyring is active?
[04:35] <Biessie> lotuspsychje - im admin. only user its my old laptop
 !netplan | Gobo708 ................ not sure what this means
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: so system is not asking for keyring password right? doesnt block your wifi?
[04:36] <Biessie> no its a home router
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> Gobo708: im just trying to widen your options mate
[04:36] <Gobo708> ok, but I am not sure what you meant
[04:36] <Gobo708> with the NOT operator and pipe??
[04:37] <Gobo708> all went over my head
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> Gobo708: ah the | means a trigger is redirected to only your nick
[04:37] <Gobo708> oh, an irc thing
[04:37] <Gobo708> lol
[04:37] <Gobo708> and you meant Not netplan...?
[04:38] <Gobo708> I can install anything else, because I cant access the internet
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Gobo708: yes, as 18.04 uses netplan, i wanted to share you netplans url...
[04:38] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : i found a site that told me to add 'nmcli nm wifi on' in /etc/rc.local
[04:38] <Gobo708> ahh ok
[04:38] <Gobo708> ahhh oh, I see what happened
[04:39] <Gobo708> ubottu ...
[04:39] <lessthan0> this desktop interface is pretty sweet. I never like the wbar but its less garbage now with all the added features and smaller icons
[04:39] <Gobo708> cheers, anyone know how to restart the network?
[04:40] <lessthan0> gobo can you be more specific?
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: you dont have secureboot to block wifi or so?
[04:40] <Biessie> i just did a basic install
[04:40] <lessthan0> restart the service or renew an IP from DHCP?
[04:40] <Gobo708> trying to pick up new netplan config
[04:40] <lessthan0> have you tried rebooting?
[04:40] <Gobo708> for another adapter
[04:40] <Biessie> 18.04 desktop (i really dont use GUI just ssh but it didnt hurt to have GUI)
[04:40] <platz> 2/pa
[04:41] <lessthan0> I don't think my mobo supports headless
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: perhaps you can consider a new !bug ?
[04:41] <lessthan0> so I just plug in an old vga
[04:41] <lessthan0> I just had a great idea
[04:41] <Gobo708> I really just want to update the netplan config and test it without having to reboot the machine and wait
[04:41] <lessthan0> I can stick a resistor in the vga port
[04:41] <Biessie> lotuspsychje : what does that mean
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> lessthan0: please, only ubuntu support here focus
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> !bug | Biessie
[04:42] <Biessie> oh okay
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: can be handy if you problem persist...developers & the community can help solve your bug
[04:43] <Biessie> ill look into it! ty
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: or if you idle here, ill let leftyfb where your at
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> *know
[04:45] <Biessie> i am on a BNC so ill happily idle here
[04:45] <Biessie> it will let me know if my name is mentioned
[04:46] <Gobo708> netplan apply
[04:46] <Gobo708> apparently
[05:05] <picarda> Hello, anyone can help with Dovecot? Looking to activate (auth require on 587)
[05:05] <mbrig> Hey guys, weird issue. After compiz crashed on me, ubuntu now logs me off after 15-20 seconds of being logged in. The unity bar and stuff comes up and I can even start programs, but it also sends me back to the login screen
[05:05] <mbrig> I'm on 17.10
[05:06] <mbrig> s/also/always
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: did you install unity on 17.10?
[05:12] <mbrig> lotuspsychje: Not intentionally? I upgraded to 17.10 so maybe its leftover from that?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: yeah i think so, consider installing 18.04 clean perhaps?
[05:13] <mbrig> :(
[05:13] <mbrig> Everything was working fine up until the compiz crash today
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: 17.10 and 18.04 doesnt use compiz anymore, xorg or wayland
[05:14] <mbrig> xorg
[05:14] <mbrig> I'm not 100% sure it was real compiz, I just got a message that "compiz has stopped unexpectedly" and that's when the trouble started
[05:15] <mbrig> Its especially weird because its not the "normal" kind of login loop where it fails immediately
[05:15] <mbrig> I assumed a startup program was misbehaving but disabling them all didn't seem to do anything
[05:17] <mbrig> lol, I updated packages and rebooted a few more times and it fixed itself
[05:18] <mbrig> A clean install is probably a good idea but I have so much stuff installed I don't want to deal with the hassle
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: sometimes a clean install can fix alot of stuff, besides you would be on LTS then, long support?
[05:19] <mbrig> yeah
[05:19] <mbrig> I'll figure out a way to list all the packages I actually want to reinstall and do it at some point
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: less hassle is taking your current /home to the new 18.04 install
[05:20] <Biessie> yea i like to make a /home partition
[05:20] <mbrig> well my /home is already separate
[05:20] <mbrig> so that's ok
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> mbrig: setup will ask you howto
[05:21] <Biessie> so 18.04 LTS = lont term support like you stated? what exactly does that mean? they wont be making a new update for a while and just work on the current version for bugs?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: long time support means, stable experience, and yes they keep releasing point releases .1
[05:22] <Biessie> gotcha
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Biessie
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Biessie: the lts way= more secure way of handle things
[05:23] <Biessie> perfect. im on 18.04 now with a fresh install
[05:23] <mbrig> LTS = updates for 5 years
[05:24] <mbrig> I'm not really concerned about my home drive its just all the development programs and stuff
[05:24] <mbrig> like docker and its 1000 addons
[05:26] <Matviy> fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers returns "Unknown sequence binary-headers". What am I doing wrong?
[05:26] <Matviy> trying to build the ubuntu kernel
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> Matviy: we dont reccomend compiling own kernels, see !mainline
[05:27] <Matviy> Should someone delete the wiki then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> Matviy: no, its not because there's a wiki we reccomend it
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> Matviy: depends on what you want to do really
[05:32] <Matviy> I want to follow the instructions on the Ubuntu wiki. But when I get to "fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic binary-perarch" i get "Unknown sequence binary-headers"
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> Matviy: perhaps paste your whole output in a hastebin, some one else might see the clue of it?
[05:58] <ljc> is there a way to install ubuntu with 'ubuntu-minimal' metapackage only?
[06:00] <guiverc_t> ljc, the minimal install currently installs everything, then deletes.   the 'minimal' is really just a list of what to delete..
[06:00] <tsarompy> uh
[06:00] <tsarompy> no it isnt
[06:01] <tsarompy> use the netinstall iso
[06:01] <guiverc_t> sorry ignore my last - i confused things up - sorry
[06:01] <tsarompy> and dont install a desktop image
[06:01] <tsarompy> yea i was about to jump in yo ass lulz
[06:01] <tsarompy> like
[06:01] <ljc> no worries
[06:01] <tsarompy> ubuntu minimal network install
[06:01] <ljc> netinstall or netboot
[06:01] <tsarompy> is my favorite way to install ubuntu :P
[06:02] <tsarompy> i like to do the minimal install
[06:02] <tsarompy> then reboot
[06:02] <tsarompy> and install kde
[06:02] <tsarompy> hey i DO have a problem actually
[06:02] <tsarompy> if anyone wants to help?
[06:03] <ljc> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?
[06:03] <ljc> what's your problem tsarompy ?
[06:04] <tsarompy> my wine fonts are retardedly big
[06:04] <tsarompy> its also 1am and im getting drunk with my puppy
[06:04] <tsarompy> so excuse my rudeness :P
[06:05] <ljc> ah i don't use wine soz
[06:05] <tsarompy> k
[06:06] <tsarompy> UGH
[06:06] <tsarompy> my girlfriend left me alone here and im watching her dog and cat and they are terrorists
[06:06] <tsarompy> not ubuntu related but ugh
[06:06] <tsarompy> imma go deal with these animals
[06:06] <tsarompy> bbl
[06:22] <mys> hello
[06:24] <EriC^> hi
[06:55] <Laughing_God> hi I would like to ask anyone favour to download a video from a page(the only video in the page). Sorry to ask out of topic. The url is https://www.i-cio.com/big-thinkers/rita-mcgrath/item/creating-a-business-culture-for-co-creation-and-innovation
[07:04] <ZaZaQR> hi
[07:20] <xfceone> Raspberry pi zero I can`t ssh with Ubuntu over usb
[07:24] <pepijndevos> I have a chroot in which i bind mount /dev, but inside it I get errors about not being a proper TTY.
[07:25] <pepijndevos> I read in some place I have to bind mound /dev/pts, but I thought bind mount was recursive?
[07:25] <EriC^^> pepijndevos: sudo mount -B /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
[07:28] <guiverc_t> xfceone, do you have openssh-server installed & running on pi?  (it may also need usb to be setup to receive incoming; I've only used ethernet or wifi)
[07:29] <guiverc_t> xfceone, I note on the doco for ubuntu mate 16.04.2 says openssh-server is installed by default but disabled (https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/)
[07:29] <charlin> ?
[07:29] <xfceone> I burned Raspbian
[07:29] <rangemonger> whats the easiest way to confirm iommu is on? (intel / 18.04)
[07:30] <ducasse> xfceone: rasobian is not supported here, try their channel
[07:30] <xfceone> and make changes in config.txt .. Ubuntu see the pi but I can`t ssh no ip on pi
[07:30] <xfceone> ok thanks
[07:30] <guiverc_t> xfceone, this room supports Ubuntu, not modified-debian (raspbian)
[07:31] <xfceone> I can burn ubuntu image on pi zero?
[07:31] <ducasse> rangemonger: 'dmesg | grep DMAR'
[07:33] <ducasse> rangemonger: one of the first lines should say 'DMAR: IOMMU enabled'
[07:33] <guiverc_t> xfceone, i'm looking, so far I can't see any confirmation (ubuntu appears to support pi 2 & 3 only)
[07:34] <xfceone> yes
[07:35] <rangemonger> ducasse: crud, no dice
[07:35] <rangemonger> ducasse: i know my system can do it, i had it going a few years ago
[07:36] <guiverc_t> xfceone, i see only negatives (running ubuntu on zero); but this maybe of help (https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/66836/raspberry-pi-zero-and-ubuntu-ethernet-over-usb) but if not you'll have to seek help elsewhere as its a raspbian issue..
[07:36] <rangemonger> ducasse: nm, i got it, thanks, forgot to set it in grub
[07:37] <xfceone> guiverc_t thanks
[08:26] <anton-z-s> Driver for my wifi adapter (RTL8821CE) is not in the kernel. Although it exist in EndlessOS patches and works well. Is the any way i could force it to upstream? Would reporting a bug on launchpad help? It's in the Ubuntu Certified laptop.
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: wich ubuntu release is this?
[08:27] <anton-z-s> both 16.04 and 18.04
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: imp currently working on a similar bug, but for eth card not wifi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1769386
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: if its relevant, please subscribe affected
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: can you recall wich 16.04 iso you downloaded?
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: i think mine was .1 or .2
[08:30] <anton-z-s> lotuspsychje, thx, but it's unrelated. The problem is that driver for my wifi card is not in the kernel yet
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: did you check sudo lshw -C network if driver is not loaded?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> anton-z-s: shows at bottom of the output driver=
[08:31] <marc__> f
[08:33] <tpw_rules> hey so i have ubuntu 16.04.4 for arm running on my odroid xu4. i did an apt update && upgrade and now update-initramfs is hung. Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.122ubuntu8.11) ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.14.5-92 is what it has been doing all night
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> tpw_rules: try #ubuntu-arm mate
[08:34] <tpw_rules> this morning i killed dpkg and ran dpkg --configure -a to restart it and it doesn't seem to be doing much better
[08:34] <tpw_rules> lotuspsychje: ah, thank you
[08:48] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ uname -a
[08:48] <Dreaman> Linux ubuntu-ivan 4.17.2-041702-generic #201806160433 SMP Sat Jun 16 08:35:37 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:48] <Dreaman> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$
[08:48] <Dreaman> :)~
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> Dreaman: only ubuntu support issues here please
[08:48] <Dreaman> ok
[09:03] <Pipox9s> Hi! I have an installation that demands that I 'press F to fix' every time the hard disk has an error. I'm trying to skip this interactive part and make it fix and go on booting automatically. So far, it seems that, you can do that by adding the nobootwait option to the /etc/fstab. But I'm not sure whether that will fix it or just skip the mounting which is even worse because it will just stall the bootup with no / mounted. I can't seem to test it myself
[09:03] <Pipox9s> because I can't trigger that error to see if that would work, so an expert opinion would be very appreciated.
[09:04] <tpw_rules> how often is your hard disk having an error
[09:05] <EriC^^> Pipox9s: is the hard disk healthy?
[09:06] <EriC^^> did you try a smart test?
[09:06] <Pipox9s> not very often, the system works fine overall, it's just that i don't want it to stall and ask the user anything at bootup and fix everything automatically, if possible.
[09:07] <tpw_rules> https://askubuntu.com/a/151742 the answer you're looking for is i think this
[09:08] <tpw_rules> but you really shouldn't be seeing that screen
[09:09] <Pipox9s> EriC^^: will a smart test rule out all such errors? I'm not sure exactly when the users get them, but just an unsafe poweroff isn't enough
[09:11] <purpleunicorn> ubuntu isn't loading up for me
[09:11] <purpleunicorn> it's been stuck every time i try to open up vb
[09:12] <EriC^^> Pipox9s: i'd make a smart test for sure
[09:16] <Pipox9s> tpw_rules: I've thought about adding that first, but then I thought that it would be better to force an fsck with >/forcefsck and see if that message will appear. It doesn't. Maybe it's because there's no actual errors this time. But if the FSCKFIX option should fix it for me in such situations, I guess that's what I need.
[09:19] <Pipox9s> Smart test is fsck -fycc /dev/sdb1 ?
[09:20] <EriC^^> no, sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
[09:20] <EriC^^> !smart | Pipo
[09:22] <kab0m> hey there. Can someone tell me how i can use an emoji picker like “Insert Emoji” on Kubuntu/KDE? tia
[09:22] <Pipox9s> Okay, thank you! So, in short, I just need to run the smart test once, then add the FSCKFIX option, and it will work?
[09:22] <EriC^^> Pipox9s: run the smart test and look at the results to see if the hard disk is damaged in any way
[09:23] <EriC^^> Pipox9s: http://pchelp.site/topics/harddisk-health
[09:24] <Pipox9s> Thank you!
[09:24] <EriC^^> no problem
[09:37] <Pipox9s> I have another question. Not sure if I wrote it correctly the first time I asked, but the dialog seems to appear when the mountall.conf script is run, so it just asks "press F to fix, S to skip, I to ignore'. It's not the usual fsck's 'fix y/n' dialog. Will it still work?
[09:52] <Pipox9s> Nevermind, it seems to be the same thing according to google. Thanks again!
[10:08] <coconut> What is the most used command line tool for downloading files? wget, curl, rsync?
[10:10] <purpleunicorn> can someone tell me what's wrong with ubuntu or vb
[10:10] <purpleunicorn> https://pastebin.com/pXCLeQY2
[10:16] <Jonta> coconut: What do you want to download?
[10:16] <Toaderas> Could someone please send me a random PM to test notifications ?
[10:17] <Jonta> Done
[10:17] <Jonta> Toaderas: You can also test this in a separate channel with your own secondary client
[10:18] <coconut> Jonta: just a https download of one file on web.
[10:18] <Jonta> coconut: wget
[10:18] <coconut> https://github.com/****
[10:18] <my123> hi
[10:18] <Jonta> my123: Hi
[10:18] <my123> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6908 makes me furious, and I have it on Ubuntu 18.04 fully upgraded still
[10:18] <Jonta> coconut: With git, look into git clone. If it's actually an entire repo
[10:19] <coconut> No just one file.
[10:19] <my123> makes my laptop battery life unusual once I start the GPU even once
[10:19] <my123> what should I do? (disabling logind doesn't seem to be an option)
[10:20] <my123> I just want it to never grab a handle to /dev/dri/card1 at this point
[10:25] <my123> (I use bumblebee)
[10:26] <purpleunicorn> guess no one's gonna help me with my issue...
[10:26] <Jonta> !patience | purpleunicorn
[10:27] <purpleunicorn> alright
[10:28] <blackflow> my123: tried blacklisting all relevant drivers via modprobe? in which case your xorg would use the framebuffer and be very slow...
[10:28] <my123> blackflow, yes, there are all the blacklists for nvidia, and bumblebee loads them via optirun when needed
[10:28] <my123> the problem is that systemd grabs a handle to the dGPU when that happens
[10:29] <my123> so it can't power itself down when I quit the app that uses it
[10:29] <my123> so angry
[10:29] <my123> (this is on a laptop, I really need to have the dGPU down)
[10:30] <blackflow> my123: I don't know anything about bumblebee or optirun, is there a service you can disable or an application you can uninstall?
[10:31] <blackflow> (I mean, I know broadley what they're for, but nothing in detail)
[10:31] <my123> root@laptop2:~# sudo lsof -n | grep "/dev/dri/card1"
[10:31] <my123> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs
[10:31] <my123>       Output information may be incomplete.
[10:31] <my123> systemd       1                   root  398u      CHR              226,1       0t0        579 /dev/dri/card1
[10:31] <my123> root@laptop2:~#
[10:31] <my123> blackflow, oops
[10:32] <my123> blackflow, you see the problem?
[10:32] <my123> systemd is the only thing blocking the dGPU from going down
[10:33] <my123> and as it's PID 1, can't do anything
[10:33] <blackflow> my123: yeah I've read that systemd issue, and I understand why it does it. My question to you is:  1) are you sure that merely holding the fd open keeps the gpu active and wasting power?      2) is there a service you can disable so the drivers are never loaded?
[10:34] <blackflow> systemd won't load up the driver. if you modprobe blacklisted it, and you say optirun loads it up anyway, is there a service you can stop/disable to prevent that additional loading of the driver?
[10:34] <my123> blackflow, for 1, it's yes
[10:34] <blackflow> no driver = no /dev/dri/...
[10:34] <my123> for 2, the whole point of bumblebee is loading/unloading it at will when I want to run GPU-heavy apps
[10:35] <my123> blackflow, https://filebin.net/mgefl75l0ii9m9zw/Screenshot_from_2018-06-24_12-33-43.png?t=npnps9gu
[10:36] <my123> that single ref is what prevents me from using power management properly...
[10:37] <blackflow> my123: so you have to figure out what loads the driver and disable it that way somehow. I really don't see what else you could do. Also, you're using gnome AND virtualization (and for some reason irc from windows in virt, but that's another question :))  ) --- you're gonna hve hard time what that running without a gpu. gnome is almost an unusable hog wihtout a gpu.
[10:38] <blackflow> *with that
[10:40] <mr_lou> I have this: myvariable=$(date -d "$d" +'%Y%m%d-%H%M%S')
[10:40] <mr_lou> How do I add 1 hour to the date I get from that?
[10:40] <mr_lou> I've tried all sorts of +1 hour +60min +3600 and whatnot, as found in google searches. Nothing works.
[10:41] <my123> blackflow, I have an Intel GPU anyway https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qt9gRgFwcp/
[10:41] <blackflow> mr_lou: well, with python you could use timedelta
[10:41] <coconut> What kind of partition layout is on an usb thumb drive when i buy one? Or is there no default one?
[10:41] <nativelinuxapp> mr_lou: I would ask in #bash
[10:42] <EriC^^> coconut: usually a msdos partition table with 1 fat32 partition
[10:42] <mr_lou> nativelinuxapp, Right, thanks.
[10:42] <coconut> ty EriC^^
[10:43] <blackflow> my123: ah I see now. So you run optirun manually.... is there  a service that loads up the nvidia driver, even though modprobe has it blacklisted?
[10:43] <my123> blackflow, yes, and the window at the left is it running in debug modee
[10:44] <my123> *mode
[10:44] <my123> it's in charge of bringing the GPU down by unloading the drivers and then using power management, but it can't do that because of the single systemd handle on the dGPU
[10:45] <luxio> what's the difference between xubuntu and installing xfce on ubuntu?
[10:45] <my123> (what's supposed to happen: optirun asks the service to start the dGPU, and then the dGPU is brought down by the service when optirun exits)
[10:46] <blackflow> my123: ah so, it's not that you don't want it used EVER, you want it to go away completely when you stop using it, and that systemd bug prevents it. Well, I don't know what you can do short of fixing systemd.
[10:48] <my123> blackflow, and that's the problem :) it's a known bug since a while, and the systemd folks made a patch that didn't fix the issue
[10:48] <nativelinuxapp> luxio: xubuntu comes with a custom xfce configuration (theme, panel layout,..) and different default applications
[10:49] <nativelinuxapp> luxio: however, you can install the xubuntu-desktop package on ubuntu to get almost the same result
[10:52] <my123> seems that systemd 238 has a fix, and that I might have to build from source though
[10:54] <cg_> hello
[10:54] <blackflow> my123: if you can identify which patch exactly fixes it, you could file a bug for ubuntu or, even better, have a patched src deb for it locally? it's a bit of a pain to keep that maintaining (you'll have to rebuild every time the package updates), but at least it'll fix it for ya
[10:54] <cg_> hello Drone
[10:58] <purpleunicorn> im still waiting to be helped and i dont think my issue is that difficult to grasp or fix. I'm sure if you can fix other people's issues with ubuntu you can fix mine.
[10:59] <nordo> is it possible to enable autoscrolling in Ubuntu, not just in firefox
[10:59] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: what was the issue, again?
[11:00] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: my ubuntu startup is frozen and won't load to the login screen.
[11:00] <purpleunicorn> https://pastebin.com/pXCLeQY2
[11:00] <purpleunicorn> ^ that's the log
[11:00] <blackflow> that's Ubuntu in VirtualBox?
[11:01] <purpleunicorn> yes
[11:01] <nordo> yeah it seems that he is running Ubuntu as guest os
[11:01] <purpleunicorn> i am
[11:02] <nordo> i think you should go to vbox channel, since they know more about these problems
[11:02] <nordo> um im getting this error: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[11:04] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: yeah, maybe ask there. there have been a few reports here about vgpu issues in virtualbox without any solution. you could check if that's the case by switching to another tty and checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log  whether it has issues loading the vboxvideo driver.
[11:04] <blackflow> nordo: yeah. are you? :)
[11:05] <purpleunicorn> i already asked vbox channel, no one's answered me yet
[11:05] <purpleunicorn> maybe their all sleeping or at work
[11:05] <nordo> i dont know if im root, whats root anyways? i dont know much in ubuntu
[11:05] <nordo> also
[11:06] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: right, so, perhaps meanwhile check if it's the vboxvideo issue reported by xorg
[11:06] <nordo> i've got 1 user only, which i created when installing ubuntu
[11:06] <purpleunicorn> nordo: idk what you're referring to
[11:06] <blackflow> nordo: did you run the apt command with sudo?
[11:06] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: how do i check that
[11:06] <nordo> OH WAIT
[11:06] <nordo> lol i forgot, sorry :)
[11:06] <blackflow> :)
[11:06] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: im not too familiar with ubuntu yet
[11:06] <nordo> thanks
[11:07] <nordo> yeah me too, im not familiar with linux
[11:07] <purpleunicorn> so what do you use nordo
[11:08] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: well, on baremetal you could hit ctrl+alt+F2 (for example F2) keys to switch tty  (to another terminal, in this case the non-gui one). then, you log in regularly, and run  `cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999`   which will paste your xorg log to the termbin.com pastebin. you'll get an URL, so please post that URL here
[11:08] <purpleunicorn> ok
[11:09] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: now, I don't know how to inject ctrl+alt+F2  into a virtualbox VM,  so that part you'll have to figure out yourself.
[11:09] <purpleunicorn> can't i just type it out
[11:10] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: you could try. I don't know if ctrl+alt+Fx has any special meaning on the mac
[11:10] <blackflow> (it being unix and all)
[11:10] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: does this mean i have to turn off the f keys
[11:11] <blackflow> again, I don't know. that part you'll have to figure out. I don't use virtualbox, I don't use a mac, so I can't help with that part of the problem.
[11:11] <purpleunicorn> i mean so the symbols on the keys don't work but instead the f keys work as regular keys
[11:11] <purpleunicorn> alright
[11:11] <nordo> purpleeunicorn: when you hotkey, virtualbox will ask you if you want to enable hotkeys in guest os
[11:13] <purpleunicorn> oh okay
[11:13] <purpleunicorn> thanks
[11:19] <purpleunicorn> what do i do if i can't remember my ubuntu password
[11:20] <blackflow> you cry? :)
[11:20] <purpleunicorn> lol
[11:20] <purpleunicorn> dude i wrote it down but it says its wrong smh
[11:20] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: does it contain Z or Y (lowercase or uppercase, doesn't matter)
[11:21] <purpleunicorn> yeah
[11:21] <blackflow> try swapping them. could be keymap issue, qwertz vs qwerty
[11:22] <purpleunicorn> its definitely not that
[11:22] <purpleunicorn> if i did that then the spelling of the words i wrote would be wrong
[11:22] <purpleunicorn> i honestly think its a different password but apparently that's wrong too
[11:22] <coconut> Is there any way to _exactly_ dd an usb disk with all partitions on it?
[11:22] <tomreyn> !recovery | purpleunicorn
[11:23] <tomreyn> purpleunicorn: you can login as root without password there, unless you set a root password.
[11:23] <purpleunicorn> alright
[11:23] <purpleunicorn> is there a way i can reset my password while in that mode
[11:23] <coconut> I mean the whole disk with all partitions. (some real small)
[11:24] <lui89> coconut: do you want to copy a disk into another ?
[11:24] <tomreyn> purpleunicorn: just start a root shell (its an option on the menu showing then) and run "passwd username" where username is your standard username.
[11:25] <purpleunicorn> ok
[11:25] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: and while at it, try pastebin-ing that xorg.log
[11:26] <coconut> lui89 no just /dev/null it
[11:27] <coconut> and then put ubuntu iso on it later
[11:27] <lui89> coconut: so you want to delete everything safely ?
[11:27] <coconut> yes
[11:27] <lui89> coconut: you sould read this:
[11:27] <lui89> coconut: wait
[11:28] <coconut> brb (tea)
[11:29] <tomreyn> the summary is: you can never be sure that everything was deleted in an unrecoverable way. but maybe that's not your goal.
[11:29] <lui89> yeah
[11:30]  * tomreyn brb (tea)
[11:30] <lui89> they should just dd the iso
[11:31] <blackflow> or cp
[11:31] <lui89> or dd urandom in it then the iso.
[11:32] <purpleunicorn> tomreyn: im at the recovery menu and have no clue what to do. i used the instructions you sent but im at a dead end
[11:33] <purpleunicorn> it says press enter for maintenance. i did that and nothing is happening
[11:34] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: via "Drop to root shell prompt" option in the recovery menu?
[11:35] <purpleunicorn> yes
[11:35] <deskwizard> Howdy ! :)
[11:35] <purpleunicorn> hi deskwizard
[11:35] <deskwizard> o/
[11:35] <purpleunicorn> i wanna be a wizard too
[11:35] <tomreyn> purpleunicorn: so you're on the root shell?
[11:35] <purpleunicorn> yes
[11:35] <deskwizard> purpleunicorn: not this morning you don't ... lol
[11:35] <purpleunicorn> lol
[11:35] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[11:36] <tomreyn> just type "passwd username" where username is your standard username.
[11:36] <uboa> deja-dup keeps thinking it's making the first backup even tho it makes files :V using ssh as location...
[11:36] <uboa> like it always gives me the "require password?" dialog
[11:36] <purpleunicorn> okay
[11:37] <purpleunicorn> thank you blackflow and tomreyn
[11:37] <tomreyn> deskwizard: actually i forgot an important step, which blackflow's link ppoints out.
[11:37] <tomreyn> "mount -o rw,remount /"
[11:37] <tomreyn> ...needs to be done before you can "passwd username"
[11:37] <blackflow> mmh-hm.
[11:39] <coconut> lui89: it is not to securely remove data really; it is to make my usb thumb drive to actually work again... (i am in this loop: 1. fix the flash drive table with dd, 2. partition it with guid table and fat32 partition, 3. put ubuntu iso on it with etcher, 4. end result with total different partitions+table type on it).
[11:40] <deskwizard> tomreyn: I'm guessing that was actually for purpleunicorn
[11:41] <deskwizard> I just came back hoping for an answer for my question, then realized I haven't asked yet :P
[11:42] <blackflow> deskwizard: obvious solution: moar coffee.
[11:42] <deskwizard> blackflow: exactly what I went to fetch :P
[11:42] <deskwizard> to make a long story short, I'm trying to get pm-utils to run a script on wakeup on 16.04, but I must be missing something obvious again 'cause it's not happening :P that's what I'm testing with atm, for the sake of seeing something happen hehe https://pastebin.com/pUBdQEuf
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:43] <deskwizard> for a bit of context, I need to run a intel-panel-fitter command, I didn't used sleep on that machine until now, so just running the command at boot did it, but I need to run it when waking up as well
[11:43] <deskwizard> howdy!
[11:43] <blackflow> deskwizard: you've got systemd there, and could use its targets with a unit file.
[11:44] <deskwizard> mkay, I'll look into that, ty
[11:44] <blackflow> deskwizard: quick googling found this for example: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/124212/writing-a-systemd-service-to-be-executed-at-resume
[11:45] <deskwizard> blackflow: wonderful :) thanks
[11:46] <lui89> coconut: ok i can't help with that but i found this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk
[11:46] <tomreyn> deskwizard: indeed, sorry
[11:46] <deskwizard> tomreyn: hehhehe no worries :)
[11:48] <purpleunicorn> YES! It worked
[11:48] <purpleunicorn> finally!
[11:48] <blackflow> ka-ching!
[11:48] <purpleunicorn> thanks guys
[11:49] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: that's the password reset you fixed, not teh GUI/GPU issue, right?
[11:49] <purpleunicorn> i had a screen flickering issue too when using ubuntu but it's again after using recovery mode
[11:49] <purpleunicorn> yeah
[11:49] <purpleunicorn> but i'll fix that too
[11:49] <blackflow> that xorg log would very helpful to get started.
[11:49] <blackflow> *would be
[11:49] <purpleunicorn> okay
[11:50] <purpleunicorn> i probably have to scroll up because i dont remember what you wanted me to do
[11:50] <lui89> does xfce qt based ?
[11:50] <lui89> is*
[11:50] <coconut> thank you lui89 :D
[11:52] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: when regular boot fails to reach the login screen, ctrl+alt+F2 to change the tty to tty2, login there, and run   `cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999`  and paste here the URL you get back.
[11:52] <my123> blackflow, so Wayland works
[11:52] <beeperdeeper089> Is discussion of Ubuntu server allowed here?
[11:53] <my123> the workaround is using Wayland instead of X11
[11:53] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: make sure the VM is grabbing your entire keyboard when you ctrl+alt+f2, I don't know how that would affect your host (osx)
[11:53] <purpleunicorn> ok
[11:53] <blackflow> my123: but... nvidia doesn't work with wayland. does it?
[11:53] <my123> blackflow, optirun apps run over X11, with XWayland
[11:54] <blackflow> I see.
[11:54] <purpleunicorn> it froze again
[11:54] <purpleunicorn> im frozen at the ubuntu logo screen
[11:55] <blackflow> I'm not quite sure how that fixes it, though. the device would still be there and according to that ticket, gdm would still push it to pid1....
[11:56] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: alright, do this then. reboot it, and when the grub menu appears (might need to hold the shift key while it's booting to get to it),   hit 'e' key to enter the grub selection edit mode. then use the arrow keys to reach the line with 'vmlinuz', and remove words 'quiet' and 'splash' from it, then hit F10 to continue booting.
[11:56] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: when it freezes again, take the screenshot of that VM window and post it to, say, imgur, paste the link here.
[11:57] <purpleunicorn> alright
[12:00] <my123> is ZFS fully supported for Ubuntu?
[12:01] <blackflow> my123: define "fully"?
[12:02] <blackflow> my123: I mean, the module is part of the kernel package (you just need to install zfsutils-linux for userland). it's at version 0.7.5 + bugfixes. initramfs supports ZFS root.
[12:05] <purpleunicorn> idk if you might use this for future reference but f10 doesn't work. ctrl -x does
[12:11] <justchat> Hey guys! What's cooking this morning?
[12:12] <uboa> bread
[12:12] <uboa> wait you bake bread
[12:12] <uboa> failed
[12:13] <justchat> Bread or muffin, LOL
[12:13] <my123> blackflow, is it fine if I manually installed zfs-dkms anyway?
[12:13] <my123> (on 18.04)
[12:13] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: i dont know what key to use besides the f2
[12:14] <purpleunicorn> its not recognizing ctrl+alt+f2
[12:15] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: try without ctrl
[12:17] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: it didnt work
[12:17] <purpleunicorn> let me turn off the key and see what hapens
[12:17] <purpleunicorn> happens
[12:18] <purpleunicorn> got it
[12:19] <purpleunicorn> it said tty2 and login and then it disappeared
[12:19] <justchat> Hey guys!  Any thoughts  on Ubuntu 16.04 vs 18.04
[12:19] <purpleunicorn> so am i using tty2 now blackflow
[12:20] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: now cat that log file to termbin :)
[12:20] <compdoc> 18.04 is nice, a little different, and its the future
[12:21] <justchat> So, you think it's worth the upgrade
[12:21] <compdoc> you will have to eventually
[12:22] <justchat> Any idea how long is the upgrade process and the amount of data required?
[12:22] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: termbin.com/7234
[12:24] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: for some reason i dont have any of the things i downloaded on there even though i did before :( it just went poof. I had downlaoded hexchat and a couple of other things and its not there at all
[12:25] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: "there"?   also, can you do the same but for output of `journalctl -n -p err` ? pastebin it, I mean
[12:26] <purpleunicorn> on ubuntu
[12:26] <purpleunicorn> what
[12:27] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: `journalctl -n -p err | nc termbin.com 9999`
[12:27] <purpleunicorn> ok
[12:28] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: not sure I understand what you mean with hexchat and other things going "poof".
[12:28] <purpleunicorn> termbin.com/r8su
[12:29] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: im trying to say that i had it downloaded on ubuntu and its not there anymore. It's like I made a new account but didnt.
[12:30] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: hmm, not sure what's going on there, then. the xorg log states that it couldn't use the vboxvideo driver so it fell back to VESA. I don't know if gnome can work with that, but it didn't log any errors, at least not through the journal.
[12:30] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: What is VESA
[12:31] <ioria> !vesa
[12:31] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: so what should i do to fix this
[12:31] <purpleunicorn> !x
[12:32] <purpleunicorn> someone fixed the screen flickering for me last time but i dont remember how he did it
[12:32] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: gnome requires accelerated OpenGL. now, whether OpenGL can work with VESA through software rendering, I don't know that much. There definitely is some issue if you're not reaching the GUI.
[12:33] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: do you have virtualbox guest additions instlaled?     dpkg -l | grep -i virtual | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:33] <purpleunicorn> let me see
[12:34] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: also did this work fine before? was there an update after which poof, no more GUI?
[12:35] <purpleunicorn> are their any spaces in dpkg
[12:36] <purpleunicorn> yeah it worked fine for a while
[12:36] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: spaces?
[12:36] <purpleunicorn>  nvm
[12:37] <talx> purpleunicorn
[12:38] <stevent> hi
[12:38] <purpleunicorn>  blackflow termbin.com/92mp
[12:38] <talx> you could use history | grep
[12:38] <talx> to check for the command
[12:38] <purpleunicorn> i got it anyway
[12:38] <talx> aye
[12:38] <purpleunicorn> thanks talx
[12:38] <purpleunicorn> hi stevent
[12:39] <stevent> hi purpleinucorn
[12:39] <purpleunicorn> maybe i should forget about vbox and put ubuntu on a flash drive
[12:39] <purpleunicorn> vbox is causing too many problems
[12:39] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: yeah no virtualbox additions as packages there. but xorg knows about it, so they're probably installed manually. do you remembre doing thta? mounting the ISO and running something off of it?
[12:40] <purpleunicorn> yes
[12:40] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: well if you can run it natively, then by all means do so. you probably won't need anything other than ubuntu :)
[12:40] <purpleunicorn> would it work if i put it on a 8gb flash drive
[12:40] <purpleunicorn> or is it too small
[12:41] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: oh well, just try running that same process again. if the kernel updated, you had to rebuild the virtualbox guest kernel modules, like vboxvideo
[12:41] <stevent> how are you today ?
[12:41] <blackflow> s/updated/upgraded
[12:41] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: I'd give it at least 20G
[12:41] <purpleunicorn> for some reason it just turned off by itself blackflow
[12:41] <purpleunicorn> oh god
[12:41] <blackflow> but first try rebuilding the guest additions
[12:41] <purpleunicorn> how do i do that
[12:41] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: that's screensave. hit a key
[12:42] <purpleunicorn> how do i rebuild the guest additions blackflow
[12:43] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: do you have an option in your VM window menu, something about mounting the guest additions ISO?
[12:46] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: is it insert guest additions cd image
[12:46] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: before you do that, which ubuntu is that, what kernel are you running?      lsb_release -r && uname -r
[12:46] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: yes I think it's that
[12:47] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: 18.04
[12:47] <purpleunicorn> 4.15.0-23-generic release
[12:48] <afrg> Hi
[12:48] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: okay. so once the ISO is inserted,   run    `sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt`    then `cd /mnt`    there should be VBoxLinuxAdditions.run there
[12:48] <afrg> I want to install Ubuntu for my phone.
[12:49] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: so insert guest additions cd image is highlighted, should i click okay?
[12:49] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: now here's the part where I have to warn you, I know there are packages for it on Bionic, but you're not using them apparently, and you say you remember running the guest additions manully before, so it only makes sense to try that again.
[12:49] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: yes, insert the cd image into the VM
[12:49] <purpleunicorn> ok
[12:51] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: checked that VBoxLinuxAdditions.run is there?
[12:51] <purpleunicorn> i typed in the first part you said
[12:51] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: am i supposed type cd/mnt separately
[12:52] <tomreyn> afrg: there's #ubuntu-phone IIRC - but this is no longer upported by canonical.
[12:52] <tomreyn> *supported (financially)
[12:52] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: I've put the commands in `backticks` so that you can see they're individual commands
[12:53] <purpleunicorn> oh ok
[12:53] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: after cd-ing, run   `ls`   to check if the file is there
[12:55] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gw1RjPMy/Screen%20Shot%202018-06-24%20at%208.54.40%20AM.png
[12:55] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: uh... wait. you do have the gui?
[12:55] <purpleunicorn>  i do
[12:56] <purpleunicorn> ?
[12:56] <blackflow> now you've completely lost me.
[12:56] <purpleunicorn> smh im sorry
[12:56] <blackflow> "13:54 < purpleunicorn> im frozen at the ubuntu logo screen"    <-- this is the problem I though we were solving....
[12:57] <blackflow> I also asked you if that "yay" from before was about password or GUI, you said it was about password.
[12:57] <purpleunicorn> me too
[12:57] <purpleunicorn> it was
[12:57] <blackflow> so then you can boot and log in normally?
[12:58] <deskwizard> blackflow: I took the easy way out for the moment since I needed to get that thing up quickly, but I'll look into the services in more details, it would probably a nice way of not having crap everywhere.... hehe Thanks a lot! :)
[12:58] <blackflow> deskwizard: yw
[12:59] <purpleunicorn> Sometimes
[12:59] <purpleunicorn> it still freezes
[12:59] <stevent> purpleunicorn : which country do you come from ?
[12:59] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: blame it on virtualbox then.
[12:59] <purpleunicorn> i will
[12:59] <purpleunicorn> fuck vbox
[13:00] <purpleunicorn> im getting a 32gb flash drive and calling it a day
[13:00] <purpleunicorn> i'll just put ubuntu on there
[13:00] <purpleunicorn> stevent: why do you ask?
[13:00] <blackflow> make sure it's really usb3.x thingy, otherwise that will be unusably slow.
[13:01] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: i really wanted to solve this problem, which is why i haven't slept yet and its 9 am....anyway fuck vbox
[13:01] <purpleunicorn> yeah i know.
[13:01] <purpleunicorn> thanks for trying though
[13:01] <stevent> purpleunicorn: want to get acquainted hehe..
[13:03] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: if you want you can continue re-isntalling guest additions. if you're sure you did it before. like I said, there are packages for Bionic, but I have zero experience with those. bulding from the vbox ISO is the way I did it in the past and that always worked.
[13:04] <blackflow> also, 4.16 kernel is supposedly having the drivers mainlined, so that will change things in the future.
[13:05] <purpleunicorn> oh okay
[13:05] <purpleunicorn> thanks for letting me know. I don't remember how to do it. But i'll probably watch another installation video again later
[13:06] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: technically all you need is   `sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run`  . That'all take some time as it compiles and installs the drivers. Then you reboot the VM, and it should work automagickally with no further config required.
[13:06] <blackflow> (after you've cd'd into /mnt, after attaching the cdrom image)
[13:06] <blackflow> *That'll
[13:06] <purpleunicorn> yeah but im going to put it in a flash drive none of this stuff matters right?
[13:07] <blackflow> sure, but you could try this to see if that fixes the freezes.
[13:07] <purpleunicorn> ok
[13:07] <purpleunicorn> i'll give it one last shot
[13:08] <purpleunicorn> should i use tty2 again
[13:08] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: or does it not matter
[13:08] <blackflow> not needed. that tty2 thing was when regular boot freezes and doesn't reach the GUI
[13:09] <blackflow> (which is at tty1 if I'm not mistaken)
[13:10] <purpleunicorn> Okay idk what just happened but i think i have two accounts or something. I opened vm and ubuntu showed a different username...now its back to the original
[13:10] <purpleunicorn> im so confused
[13:12] <blackflow> the plot thickens.
[13:13] <purpleunicorn> haha
[13:13] <purpleunicorn> what does swap header found mean
[13:14] <blackflow> context?
[13:15] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: it says /VBoxLinuxAdditions.run: no such file or directory
[13:16] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: missed that dot before /  ?
[13:16] <purpleunicorn> no
[13:16] <blackflow> ah could be cwd... just `sudo -i`  to root, then `cd /mnt` and  `./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run`
[13:17] <purpleunicorn> I put that in last time and it said no command or directory
[13:17] <blackflow> that ISO is still mounted?  `ls /mnt` shows the files?
[13:18] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: I’m gonna go to bed. I’ve been up too long. If you are here 8-12am EST later we will continue
[13:19] <blackflow> k
[13:19] <purpleunicorn> I’m sorry
[13:19] <purpleunicorn> If I took too much of your time
[13:22] <blackflow> purpleunicorn: nah, it's okay.
[13:34] <purpleunicorn> blackflow: ok
[13:45] <gigirock> i have strange icon on the mozilla thunderbird inbox view
[13:57] <LoopAtHome> hi
[13:58] <LoopAtHome> hello anyone here
[13:58] <cfhowlett> !ask | LoopAtHome
[14:01] <LoopAtHome> do anyone know about kernals
[14:01] <BluesKaj> odd how new users don't check the chat nicklist
[14:01] <LoopAtHome> what bro?
[14:01] <LoopAtHome> Do you know about Kernals?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, that's a pretty high expectation, yes?  :)
[14:02] <cfhowlett> LoopAtHome, this is a support channel. for support, ask your support questions.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, I suppose :-)
[14:02] <Battle> hey all, im having an issue with getting apache2 to recognise virtualhosts. I've created 2 virtualhosts, and, and both all default to one of the virtual hosts... lol
[14:03] <LoopAtHome> can we modify kernals , if yes then how , i am only askinbg starting generals steps ,
[14:03] <cfhowlett> !kernel | LoopAtHome
[14:04] <LoopAtHome> thanks
[14:04] <Battle> if I also create subdomain.example.com virualhost, it still defaults to exmaple.com's virtualhost. and so does the entirely seperate domain
[14:04] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[14:08] <con3> hmm..I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but I have pgadmin that I want to remotely link to a digital ocean droplet running ubuntu with postgresql, any here that might be able to help?
[14:08] <Battle> Here's my virtualhost's config, all of them. https://pastebin.com/DyapZSVP They're all listed in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, and ALL of them default to VirtualHost 1 I have no idea if that's just coincidence or not though.
[14:08] <Biessie> lol i used 'sudo apt-get install vsftpd' and its downloading a bunch of .exe files
[14:09] <Battle> In my main apache2 config, i have a line that is including the virtualhosts folder. so they're being taken into account, just not acted upon... =\
[14:09] <Battle> IncludeOptional sites-enabled/*.conf to be exact
[14:15] <abb4s> hey every body , i have a program with a  dependencies on ubuntu 14 : libmysqlclient-dev=5.5.60-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> and i want to have this package by this version on ubuntu 16 , what should i do ?
[14:48] <Kaylas> hi all
[14:49] <AngelKde> hi Kaylas
[14:49] <Kaylas> i've trying to install the ubuntu 18.04 on very old pc.. without any flag "installation loading" stucks
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: at wich point exactly?
[14:50] <Kaylas> with "nomodeset" and/or "xforcevesa" the installation load but when prompt the gui is full resized and "pink"
[14:50] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje stucks before load the installation gui
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: any way you can see text booting F1 to see where it stucks?
[14:52] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje kk lemme try
[14:52] <sarcastico> back - sleep. - 12h 12m e 3s
[14:53] <coconut> Anyone here knows a great source for "Calculating blocks to wipe an usb disk manually"?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: also if your hardware is pretty old, consider a lubuntu/xubuntu iso?
[14:53] <coconut> I read a wiki link somewhere, but i do not undestand the calculation much
[14:54] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje i've upgrade the ram to 2Gb and trying to install ubuntu mate
[14:54] <AngelKde> Kaylas,  your hardware is pretty old, consider  for my xubuntu
[14:54] <cfhowlett> or lubuntu
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: is this mate right now that freezes on you?
[14:54] <blackflow> coconut: what calculation?
[14:55] <coconut> blackflow -> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk#Calculate_blocks_to_wipe_manually
[14:55] <blackflow> coconut: uh that's only if you want to erase only some _part_ of it. is that what you want?
[14:56] <blackflow> I thought you wanted to wipe the entire USB thingy
[14:56] <coconut> no, i want to wipe all 100% of all bytes
[14:56] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje now i'm trying with "f1"
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> coconut: is it zero the usb you want?
[14:56] <blackflow> coconut: assuming that's /dev/sdc,   just run   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=128k    and wait until it's done
[14:56] <Kaylas> but is very slow to load, i'm waiting to load up
[14:57] <blackflow> coconut: just make sure it's correct device (sdc in the above example)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: normally at purple loading screen, you can F1 to see text
[14:58] <coconut> blackflow: do i understand correctly that when i do not give an "count=x", that all bytes are done?
[14:58] <blackflow> coconut: yes, it'll reach the end and then error out with "no space left" or something
[14:58] <coconut> lotuspsychje: yes, zero or something else, as long as the data, table and partitions go.
[14:59] <coconut> ok, so it will work then. thank you :D
[15:00] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje with f1 don't show anything
[15:00] <Kaylas> now without any boot flag show the black screen
[15:01] <blackflow> coconut: btw,  that bs=128k is just a random block size I found optimal. not too small and not to large, hurting desktop latency.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: what kind of system is this exactly?
[15:03] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje ubuntu 18.04 mate i386
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: i mean the hardware, cpu, laptop/desktop brand?
[15:07] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje MB: asus a7n9x-x, CPU: amd (don't remember the exact model), desktop, VGA: ati radeon 9200
[15:08] <coconut> oh, only /dev/zero works. I see your question now...
[15:09] <blackflow> coconut: you know, that you mention this.... I'm not sure about the _last_ block, I don't think dd will do it partially. so perhaps run again and drop bs. I _think_ it's 4k by default? but then it depends what the sector size on the usb thing is.
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: try a lubuntu or xubuntu iso, see what it does there as a test
[15:09] <KAOS> r u trying to burn ubuntu iso
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !who KAOS
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !who | KAOS
[15:12] <KAOS> :lotuspsychje what does !who do
[15:12] <Biessie> nah man but i just changed my ssh port to 522 if you need to use it. my speeds are pretty slow though ;) - http://www.speedtest.net/result/7418805778.png
[15:12] <Biessie> disregard
[15:12] <MiraKoolo> Hi, can I have a little question, is it still possible to install Ubuntu from windows via some exe?
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> !wubi | MiraKoolo
[15:13] <MiraKoolo> Thanks, mate
[15:13] <KAOS> MiraKoolo: You can use rufus to burn an iso
[15:13] <MiraKoolo> So the better option is to plug USB
[15:13] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje i can't burn other isos, i don't have the dvd here, do you have any other tips to debug that?
[15:13] <MiraKoolo> I just dont want to loose my Windows 10
[15:13] <Biessie> MiraKoolo : i have ubuntu 18.04 desktop on a cd i burned last night
[15:13] <Biessie> if you're int he states i can fedex it tomorrow next day air
[15:13] <MiraKoolo> How do I check that dual boot is possible on my pc?
[15:14] <KAOS> MiraKoolo: It is usually possible on everything
[15:14] <MiraKoolo> I heard there are some problems with Win 10 and Linux on the ame PC
[15:14] <MiraKoolo> or used to be
[15:14] <EriC^^> MiraKoolo: not many problems no
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | MiraKoolo start here
[15:14] <Biessie> MiraKoolo : i had 16.04 and have 18.04 with win 10 on the same pc. just have to partition the hdd
[15:14] <strive> MiraKoolo: Just go for it :)
[15:14] <FurretUber> How do I make the USB pendrive icon and label be shown? It has a autorun.inf specifying the icon and the label
[15:14] <DJones> KAOS: !who is a command to the channel info bot, when directed to somebody, it gives useful info about how to use the channel
[15:16] <kierrin> Friends,I got a problem. My Chinese input method  can't be used in some software ,such as icq.
[15:16] <coconut> blackflow: well it's interesting you say, seeing it has partitions like 4.1 KB size.
[15:16] <strive> icq still a thing?
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> strive: this is the ubuntu support channel
[15:17] <strive> I'm quite aware. Just shocked.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> strive: ubuntu has multiprotocol chat packages, that might support icq
[15:19] <coconut> blackflow: do you also happen to know how long such dd operation takes? (for an usb 2.0 with 32GB)
[15:19] <blackflow> coconut: you can find sector size with a tool like fdisk (fdisk -l /dev/...) but chances are then it's 512b. So to be more sure you've covered all sectors, use bs=512  (which according to the manpage, is default)
[15:20] <blackflow> coconut: quite some time
[15:20] <blackflow> longer the smaller block size you used
[15:21] <coconut> ok
[15:21] <blackflow> coconut: you can use dd with pv to watch the rate and progress
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> !info pidgin | strive for example
[15:22] <coconut> ah...
[15:22] <KAOS> coconut: if you are on windows, rufus is pretty fast compared to other tools. It takes about 5-10 mins to burn a ubuntu iso.
[15:23] <KAOS> DJones: Thx
[15:23] <coconut> KAOS: thanks, i use etcher though. (but i might give that a try)
[15:23] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje with F1 on pink screen it don't show anything
[15:24] <coconut> (i do have heard about it...)
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: yeah i saw your answer the first time, and replyed try a xubuntu or lubuntu iso?
[15:25] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje i can't, i've only ubuntu dvd available
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: dvd player or writer?
[15:26] <Kaylas> no i've only this dvd available for now, i can't burn anything
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: there is a grub way to load iso's at boot if you like?
[15:26] <Kaylas> nope this pc doesn't have anything, no partition..
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[15:27] <Kaylas> now i've tried with this flags "all_generic_ide pci=nommconf ide=nodma acpi=off nodmraid nomodeset edd=on xforcevesa noveau.modeset=0"
[15:28] <Kaylas> now the installer is full resized in 200px (full pink)
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: how about F6 before setup, does that work?
[15:29] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje yep this screen work without any issues
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: no i mean F6 to get you into pre-setup boot options
[15:31] <Kaylas> yep i've press F6 -> install mate and insert the boot options after "---"
[15:31] <Kaylas> then enter
[15:31] <Kaylas> (sorry for my english)
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: you can see this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/X6dvz.png then setup gives you black screen?
[15:33] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje yep i see these screen
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: ok, have you tryed 'try ubuntu' instead of install ubuntu?
[15:34] <Kaylas> ok lemme try
[15:34] <sin_dy> i'm confused
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> sin_dy: how can we help you?
[15:35] <sin_dy> quit
[15:45] <Kaylas> lotuspsychje "try ubuntu mate without install" end with -> "kernel panic - not syncing: stack-protector: kernel stack"
[15:46] <Kaylas> and before "SQUASHFS error: error: unable to read page block.."
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: yeah i had that error on an older system on kernel 4.15 aswell
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> Kaylas: try a xubuntu or lubuntu
[15:47] <Kaylas> oh ok
[15:47] <Kaylas> thx
[16:12] <saymyname> hi everyone
[16:14] <saymyname> Do you guys discuss something? Or just sit in silence? =)
[16:17] <leftyfb> !ask | saymyname
[16:17] <CookieM> there are no support questions right now, so yes, there is silence
[16:22] <dunnousernamefn> On ARM devices, can I use a UART as a serial port and use that as a terminal
[16:23] <dunnousernamefn> So it's literally a serial terminal, if that's how that stuff worked
[16:23] <dunnousernamefn> Oh, wrong IRC
[16:25] <ovidnis> hi, i'm having some issues with suspending my laptop. it usually works just fine, but sometimes the Battery-Power-LED stays on and no button will wake the laptop. I have to power down and up to start using it again
[16:37] <rk3y> hi community, super simple question: why is my crontab command not working? /usr/bin/pgrep -f /home/pi/pyHS100/watch_waschmaschine_dog.py || /usr/bin/tmux new -d -s washdog-session '/usr/bin/python3 /home/pi/pyHS100/watch_waschmaschine_dog.py'
[16:38] <rk3y> evrery secon * * * * * (missing above)
[16:38] <rk3y> in command line it works perfect
[16:40] <blackflow> rk3y: care to rephrase? and what does watch_washmachine_dog do :))
[16:40] <rk3y> sorry I was in rush mode :)
[16:42] <rk3y> I want to execute a script via crondaemon that is watching if a python script is executed already. If if is executed, than it does nothing. If not it will pipe the command to start the python script (watch washmachine) in a separate tmux session.
[16:42] <rk3y> for test purpose I created the command and tried it in bash shell and it works: executes the python script in separate tmux session
[16:43] <blackflow> rk3y: for starters, put all that in a shell script, don't do all that logic in the crontab, and then only call that single script from the crontab.   now, what's the crontab like?
[16:43] <rk3y> the I wanted to test it in cron (raspberry) crontab -e. for test purposes I scheduled for every second (*****). but it never executes
[16:43] <blackflow> rk3y: crontab doesn't do 1 second resolution afaik, but 1 minute
[16:44] <rk3y> ahhh :)
[16:44] <rk3y> sry
[16:44] <blackflow> rk3y: maybe systemd timers can help with sub minute resolution
[16:44] <rk3y> # * * * * * /usr/bin/pgrep -f /home/pi/pyHS100/watch_waschmaschine_dog.py || /usr/bin/tmux new -d -s washdog-session '/usr/bin/python3 /home/pi/pyHS100/watch_waschmaschine_dog.py'
[16:44] <blackflow> although if I were you, I'd just write a simple service with a loop and use sleep()   (python's) in it
[16:45] <takeme> export IIOD_REMOTE=usb:3.6.5  <— what it mean?
[16:45] <rk3y> ja I did that in the washmashine watch dog - but it has some exception i could not handle
[16:46] <blackflow> rk3y: I think youre really better off having a simple service, than doing all that pgrep and tmux dance
[16:47] <rk3y> ok thanks blackflow. what u mean by service? like init.d service?
[16:47] <blackflow> rk3y: no, systemd service. which ubuntu is this?
[16:47] <rk3y> armv6 4.9.35+ kernel
[16:47] <rk3y> debia
[16:48] <blackflow> oh, debian, great. so, upgrade that debian to ubuntu, and use systemd process management facilities for that.
[16:49] <rk3y> ok thanks blackflow
[16:49] <blackflow> rk3y: well you asked in #ubuntu, so what else did you expect. although, with that kernel, that's stretch, meaning you have systemd even there.
[16:52] <oerheks> IIOD or IPOD :-D
[17:00] <coconut> Would dd'ing significantly faster with an usb 3.0 thumb device instead of an 2.0?
[17:01] <coconut> I need almost 7 hours for an 2.0 now.
[17:02] <ioria> coconut, cloning a drive ?
[17:02] <coconut> ioria: no, just /dev/zero it with bs=512 :)
[17:04] <coconut> (i was in a weird loop when i tried putting ubuntu iso on it)
[17:04] <ioria> coconut, how big is the thumb ?
[17:04] <coconut> 32GB
[17:08] <ioria> coconut, are you going to do a bootable ubuntu iso ?
[17:08] <blackflow> coconut: yeah, those usb2 sticks are slow. what, few MB/s? that's gonna take a while. USB3 is ~10x faster (for sequential write)
[17:08] <coconut> GUI partition table, one fat32 partition, sector/block size 512B, if that matters.
[17:09] <ioria> gpt you mean ?
[17:09] <coconut> ioria: yes, with ubuntu.-mate.v18.04
[17:10] <ioria> coconut, livecd or persistent ?
[17:10] <blackflow> coconut: you do know you don't have to wipe the entire disk, to put that ISO on it, right?
[17:10] <coconut> blackflow: 1.51-1.54 MiB/s
[17:10] <blackflow> coconut: so that's what, 10 hours total? :)
[17:11] <coconut> blackflow: i know, but i end up with a total different disk when i write iso on it, so there is something not ok with the disk
[17:11] <coconut> 7 hours
[17:11] <blackflow> what do you mean "totally different"? how are you copying the ISO on it?
[17:11] <adrian_1908> hello. anybody here well versed with using a VPN? I freshly installed 18.04 and discovered that I'm leaking DNS queries, which I wasn't before. I think systemd-resolve might be the issue.
[17:11] <coconut> ioria: yes live-usb
[17:12] <ioria> coconut, so, why don't you use Rufus (if it's a win machine) or dd (if linux) ?
[17:12] <blackflow> adrian_1908: yeah: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/7182
[17:13] <coconut> i had advise for etcher yesterday, somewhere else, but if that would work too....
[17:13] <blackflow> coconut: how about you start from the beginnig. why are you wiping out the entire USB? sensitive data? how did you try to copy the Ubuntu ISO on it?
[17:14] <adrian_1908> blackflow: yeah, i saw that and others. any experience with the updater script? or what do you recommend?
[17:14] <ioria> coconut, i know etcher works,btw (on win) i always have used rufus
[17:14] <blackflow> adrian_1908: first thing I do for each new installation is: remove systemd-resolved.
[17:14] <adrian_1908> blackflow: i see. do you use dnsmasq, or what takes its place (i'm not well versed in this topic)
[17:14] <blackflow> adrian_1908: unbound works too
[17:15] <blackflow> adrian_1908: or simply nothing. dhcp can set upstream resolvers in resolv.conf, and glibc will happily use it.
[17:16] <blackflow> adrian_1908: I'm not sure what you'd need for VPNs though. iirc resolvconf (not resolv.conf) can use all the separate sources (dhcp, vpn, ...) to set up resolv.conf properly.
[17:16] <adrian_1908> blackflow: i'm very much inclined to do that too then (replace systemd-resolved). i feel like i'm fighting that thing, and it might bite me back any time. I have a pretty static setup here, so anything that just works will be fine.
[17:16] <snowflake8> hi
[17:17] <adrian_1908> hi
[17:17] <snowflake8> i need help with my new computer
[17:18] <adrian_1908> snowflake8: you can just ask, if anyone knows the answer, they can reply.
[17:18] <coconut> blackflow: i tried to first give the disk a fat32 partition, and then put the iso on it with the wizard of etcher. This completes, but after etcher i have an disk with the weirdest partitions. ( https://pastebin.com/PkxPMwSu )
[17:18] <snowflake8> i dont know how to reset the password on the computer i got it from a riend
[17:19] <snowflake8> friend
[17:19] <oerheks> !password
[17:19] <blackflow> coconut: well, you don't partition the disk before you copy the ISO on it. the ISO contains the partitioning. you must copy it straight to the disk (as block device), not a partition. That in itself will wipe out the partition table and replace with whatever's in the iso
[17:19] <oerheks> but if things are encrypted..
[17:20] <coconut> blackflow, weird, i never knew
[17:20] <blackflow> coconut: in short, all you need to do (from a linux system) is:   sudo cp /path/to/the.iso /dev/sdc  -- or whatever /dev/sdX it is. Note theres no number after sdc -- meaning, the block device, not a partition.
[17:21] <coconut> blackflow: ok, and do i have to touch/change the table for this?
[17:21] <blackflow> coconut: no. just run that single cp command, that's ALL you need.
[17:22] <snowflake8> can someone guide me to restet the password?
[17:22] <coconut> wow, that's different.
[17:22] <blackflow> you could've used dd too, but it's a bit more verbose, so I prefer cp:     dd if=/path/to/the.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=128k       <-- also note, sdc and not, say, sdc1
[17:23] <snowflake8> https://ibb.co/gqkes8
[17:23] <snowflake8> look
[17:23] <blackflow> coconut: we _are_ talking about Ubuntu ISOs, those found here, right?  https://www.ubuntu.com/download
[17:24] <coconut> blackflow: ubuntu mate to be honest, but yes
[17:24] <snowflake8> https://ibb.co/gQKEs8
[17:24] <blackflow> coconut: right, so cp is all you need.
[17:24] <coconut> :D
[17:26] <bobs> hi
[17:27] <bobs> quiet
[17:28] <stevent> yes
[17:28] <stevent> bobs ?
[17:29] <bobs> hi gathis
[17:32] <FurretUber> How do I make the USB pen drives icon and label be shown? It has a autorun.inf specifying the icon and the label. Three of them are SanDisk Cruzer Blades and there is no way to differentiate them
[17:37] <eelstrebor> why is both amd64-microcode and intel-microcode being installed on an intel system? can amd64-microcode be removed with breaking the installation?
[17:38] <eelstrebor> ubuntu 16.04.4 64 bit installation
[17:42] <ioria> eelstrebor, it's installed on the disk... what if you migrate the disk on an amd sys ?
[17:42] <coconut> FurretUber: what do you want to do, changing the desktop icon for your pen drive? I believe a .inf file is something windows like, but i might be wrong.
[17:43] <Biessie> How can i make ubuntu to use the best server to download/install packages from?
[17:43] <ioria> FurretUber, never tried,i thin an udev rule
[17:43] <ioria> *think
[17:43] <Biessie> mirror or whatever.. its extremely slow using the default and i have 100mb up/down
[17:43] <FurretUber> Yes, this is the approach on Windows, but it worked before. Older Ubuntu versions and LibreOffice 5 shown the properties correctly, now it no longer does
[17:44] <ioria> FurretUber, https://askubuntu.com/questions/328488/how-to-change-device-icons-in-launcher/333817#333817
[17:45] <ioria> Biessie, and what is the default ?
[17:45] <Biessie> ioria : No idea but it's only allowing 65kbps download speeds on avg lol
[17:45] <ioria> Biessie, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:46] <ioria> Biessie, but i don't think is an OS issue
[17:46] <Biessie> ioria : It's not an OS issue. its the source issue
[17:46] <ioria> Biessie, what you server ?
[17:46] <Biessie> i've read on how to do it via GUI but i want to do it via console if possible
[17:47] <ioria> Biessie, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:47] <Biessie> it has a lot ill post it on paste bin
[17:48] <FurretUber> ioria: when I look at computer:/// the icons are shown (not the labels), so something is parsing the autorun.inf files, but nothing else other than computer:/// shows them
[17:48] <Biessie> https://pastebin.com/iFbip4BR
[17:48] <Biessie> ioria
[17:49] <ioria> Biessie, ok, you're using the us repo, here it's the same and it's ok
[17:49] <stevent> hi ioria
[17:49] <oerheks> the softwareupdate menu has the tool to choose fastest mirror, Biessie
[17:49] <ioria> stevent, hi
[17:50] <Biessie> ioria : Strange..
[17:50] <Biessie> oerheks : That GUI related,  right? anything via command line?
[17:50] <stevent> how are you ioria ?
[17:50] <oerheks> Biessie, no, just use the gui
[17:50] <oerheks> really, why do you make it not simple
[17:50] <ioria> Biessie, a simple sed command ... but why ?
[17:50] <ioria> stevent, fine,thanks for askingù
[17:51] <Biessie> oerheks : Because my linux server is at my office
[17:51] <Biessie> ill wait until i go to the office then. no worries.
[17:53] <coconut> blackflow, cp'ing the ISO also ends with an FAT12 partition of 2.4MB which the OS cannot read. I guess my thumb drive is broken. o.0
[17:53] <stevent> ioria, are you man or girl ?
[17:53] <tomreyn> stevent: does this matter here?
[17:53] <acebrianjuan> hi there
[17:53] <definitely_heter> hello there
[17:54] <definitely_heter> I'm running irssi for the first time on my Lubuntu 18.04
[17:54] <EriC^^> coconut: that's normal
[17:54] <stevent> tomreyn, im lonely
[17:55] <tomreyn> stevent: sorry to hear this, but this is not an ubuntu support topic, so please try to find someone elsewhere.
[17:56] <coconut> EriC^^, weird i would expect to be able to read files from it, and have an fat32 partition, no fat12.
[17:57] <stevent> tomreyn, sorry to make you uncomfortable
[17:58] <Jonta> stevent: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:58] <tomreyn> stevent: you didn't, it's just off-topic here.
[17:58] <eelstrebor> ioria, i don't understand your comments
[17:58] <ioria> eelstrebor, what comment,sorry ?
[17:58] <definitely_heter> quit
[17:59] <eelstrebor> ioria, <ioria> eelstrebor, it's installed on the disk... what if you migrate the disk on an amd sys ?
[17:59] <EriC^^> coconut: fat12 is normal cause it's smaller in size, if you really wanted to mount it you could but everything you're describing is normal, did you try booting the usb yet?
[18:00] <ioria> eelstrebor, yes, exactly what i meant
[18:00] <coconut> EriC^^ : i still need to try it out, on another location on a medion brand pc.
[18:02] <eelstrebor> it didn't make sense - i asked if amd64-microcode can be removed without breaking the installation - one bit of info i found stated that both amd64-microcode is identical to intel-microcode - so why are both installed on an intel system?
[18:02] <ioria> eelstrebor, no, you asked why both are installed
[18:03] <eelstrebor> ioria, you're confusing me
[18:04] <eelstrebor> my orginal post: why is both amd64-microcode and intel-microcode being installed on an intel system? can amd64-microcode be removed with breaking the installation?
[18:05] <EriC^^> eelstrebor: i have both installed on mine fwiw
[18:05] <Ben64> eelstrebor: why do you think it matters
[18:05] <bobs> cok
[18:05] <arched> Does the latest debian installer support LVM2 installation using a raw device instead of partitioning? E.g pvcreate /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1? I can not find any definitive documentation about it. Using a raw device with lvm is very useful when extending disks on virtual machines, since the vg can be extended without the additional partitioning step.
[18:06] <EriC^^> arched: /join #debian
[18:06] <eelstrebor> i'm just trying to determine if i can reduce the number of packages on my system without breaking the system
[18:06] <ioria> eelstrebor,  why do  you say they  are identical ?
[18:06] <Ben64> eelstrebor: why
[18:06] <arched> Ubuntu uses debian installer.
[18:06] <freezer_> ubuntu is fake news
[18:07] <tomreyn> arched: i'm not sure whether it's supported, but it should not take long to try it in a VM.
[18:07] <eelstrebor> this article suggests that they're identical instruction sets: https://askubuntu.com/questions/54296/difference-between-the-i386-download-and-the-amd64
[18:07] <ioria> eelstrebor,  what ?
[18:08] <Ben64> eelstrebor: that page is not about microcode and i386 and amd64 are not the same
[18:09] <ioria> eelstrebor,  wrong track
[18:10] <ioria> eelstrebor,  and, btw, it's not an 'intel system'  ; pkgs do not know your cpu
[18:10] <bobs> hs
[18:10] <bobs> d
[18:10] <eelstrebor> besides, why would i need to install AMD-microcode on an intel system? this is automatically done by the installation DVD but why?
[18:11] <tomreyn> bobs: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[18:12] <pineapplelover_> hello last week I tried this fix: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132034/libcrypto-so-10-cannot-open-shared-object-file-no-such-file-or-directory and somehow I ended with the usr folder on my home folder like this: http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=3ea21007eabe38d41490c4d8b6e29fab is it safe to remove it?
[18:12] <bobs> ls
[18:13] <Ben64> eelstrebor: don't worry about it, removing it will only open you up to potential problems
[18:13] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: this kind of depends on whether the original copy is still in place
[18:13] <pineapplelover_> indeed this was the fix that worked: https://askubuntu.com/questions/339364/libssl-so-10-cannot-open-shared-object-file-no-such-file-or-directory
[18:13] <pineapplelover_> now I would like to undo the first one
[18:14] <eelstrebor> oh well, i'm not getting anywhere with my question - i want to be more informed about computers and that's why i'm asking - i'm going to take the risk and backup my data, remove the amd64-microcode package and reboot
[18:14] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn the original copy is the one on root/usr/ folder isnt it?
[18:15] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: it should be, but i do not know the contents of your system. for all we know you may have moved /usr to your home directory.
[18:16] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: nothing in the stackexchange post suggests to move or copy /usr around, though
[18:16] <pineapplelover_> thats why I am asking here
[18:16] <pineapplelover_> I did what that thread said
[18:16] <pineapplelover_> so it should be safe to remove it
[18:16] <pineapplelover_> I guess
[18:17] <pineapplelover_> this what I did: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libssl.so.10
[18:17] <pineapplelover_> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.10
[18:17] <pineapplelover_> the ln
[18:17] <pineapplelover_> for those lib
[18:17] <pineapplelover_> but then I saw the usr folder on my home directory
[18:18] <pineapplelover_> well
[18:18] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: again, nothing in the stackexchange post suggests to move or copy /usr around (nor to create a symbolic link in your home directory pointing to /usr), so following the instructions there (whether or not they're sound) should have made you end up with a copy of /usr in your home.
[18:19] <pineapplelover_> perhaps I did something else...indeed I was following this tutorial before the need for the fix appeared:  http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/xpwiki/?OAR%20Converter
[18:19] <pineapplelover_> yep
[18:19] <pineapplelover_> I tried both the install from binary and install from source code thought this last one not till the end
[18:21] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: you are following too many tutotrials too blindly. ;)
[18:21] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn is there a fix for that usr folder location?
[18:22] <pineapplelover_> how would I turn it back to the default location?
[18:22] <FurretUber> ioria: LibreOffice 5 was able to show the custom icons: https://i.imgur.com/VEU8bFX.png
[18:23] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: run *exactly* this, and post the http address it returns here: ls -la "~/Carpeta Personal/usr" "~/usr" 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:23] <FurretUber> That udev rule is way too much complicated and apparently it would work only in the computer where it was configured. I would need a solution that works on any computer where the USB device is connected
[18:23] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn okay give me a minute
[18:24] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: typo fixed: run *exactly* this, and post the http address it returns here: ls -la "~/Carpeta personal/usr" "~/usr" 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:25] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn http://termbin.com/m97d
[18:26] <pineapplelover_> should I substitute Carpeta personal with the name it has? tomreyn
[18:27] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: what name does it have?
[18:27] <tomreyn> "Documents"?
[18:27] <pineapplelover_> no
[18:27] <pineapplelover_> it changes
[18:27] <pineapplelover_> when you re in it says personal folder but from the home directory it has the user name
[18:29] <ioria> FurretUber, as i said, never tried ... might be a security issue that stops the autorun
[18:29] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: so it matches the output of "echo $HOME"?
[18:29] <pineapplelover_> yep
[18:30] <pineapplelover_> but I tried changing it in the command you gave me and the result is the same
[18:30] <pineapplelover_> http://termbin.com/nhdu9
[18:32] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn might it be not a system folder after all...perhaps something related with that program I just installed...
[18:32] <pineapplelover_> what do you think?
[18:32] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: all that you're showing me makes me think that http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=3ea21007eabe38d41490c4d8b6e29fab no longer correctly represents the current state of this system, or that you are now working as a differen tuser than you worked on when you took this screenshot.
[18:33] <oerheks> sounds like the iconname does not match the autorun.inf .. or properties 755 not set https://askubuntu.com/questions/642511/how-to-autorun-files-and-scripts-in-ubuntu-when-inserting-a-usb-stick-like-autor
[18:33] <oerheks> FurretUber ^
[18:34] <pineapplelover_> oh no I didnt log out since the picture was taken
[18:34] <pineapplelover_> I am puzzled thats why I asked here
[18:35] <pineapplelover_> but the usr folder is in my personal folder since last week when I installed oar converter
[18:35] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: let's put it this way: i don't know what you did, you don't know exactly what you did. apparently your system is stil workign for now, so you can probably remove these folders, but i don't think they are still there.
[18:35] <tomreyn> but do it without sudo
[18:36] <pineapplelover_> they are
[18:36] <pineapplelover_> I posted a hot picture
[18:36] <pineapplelover_> and I can still see those in my home directory
[18:37] <texla> Would like command to list partitions primary,extended,logical in msdos
[18:38] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: that's probably where your hotz pictures belong.
[18:38] <pineapplelover_> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=df7f32d65fc62d91ee4e5afce7b0e3ac see it next to unreal engine folder?
[18:38] <pineapplelover_> so your suggestion is to remove it with sudo
[18:39] <pineapplelover_> be it
[18:39] <pineapplelover_> thanks for the help
[18:39] <curlyears> *GAH*!!!!!
[18:39] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: you ran "ls -la ~/usr", it returned an error message because there is no such directory. but this is actually where a "usr" directory in your personal home directory would be,
[18:39] <pineapplelover_> yep I understand
[18:39] <pineapplelover_> I agree with the removing
[18:40] <pineapplelover_> I didn't know how to check
[18:40] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: my suggestion based on not knowing what is going on on your system is to remove the not really existing 'usr' direcxtory in your personal home directory *without* using sudo.
[18:40] <pineapplelover_> you helped
[18:40] <curlyears> can anyonbe in hefre suggest a channel to properly discuss BIOS issues?
[18:40] <tomreyn> curlyears: not really, maybe ##hardware. i don't know whether there is ##firmware
[18:40] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn hahaha
[18:41] <tomreyn> maybe there is one specific to your mainboard manufacturer, but not very likely.
[18:42] <oerheks> ##hardware +1
[18:42] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn oh oh http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=9a8ef400c89dc9ad4fd99a10e9a4a56d
[18:43] <pineapplelover_> that happened when shift+supr
[18:43] <pineapplelover_> then sudo?
[18:43] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: i dont speak spanish
[18:43] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: if you can work on a temrinal i can guide you to produce output in english
[18:44] <pineapplelover_> it says the file (path) could not be deleted
[18:44] <pineapplelover_> shall I try with sudo now?
[18:45] <pineapplelover_> is this ok? sudo rm -R /home/ivan/usr
[18:45] <justchat> Hey guys! Any thougths as to why an upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04  displayed the same version after completion
[18:46] <pineapplelover_> you should wait for the automatic update till late july
[18:46] <curlyears> tomrehy:  this damned system drove me CRAZY for abut a week, after I tried to fresh install 18.04LTS.  I finally determined that the BIOS is corrupted, so I have spent 3 dzys  now fryinv to re-flash with the
[18:46] <pineapplelover_> to expect a smooth upgrade
[18:47] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn say something :-S
[18:47] <EriC^^> justchat: what does "cat /etc/issue" show?
[18:47] <curlyears> when in July is it due?
[18:47] <pineapplelover_> late
[18:48] <justchat> Do I really need to wait for the automatic upgrade? Isn't there a way to force the upgrade successfully?
[18:48] <pineapplelover_> is what I read this morning I cannot remember wherer
[18:48] <curlyears> hello, EriC^^  :)   still fight with the same recalcitrant system :(
[18:49] <texla> Would like command to list partitions primary,extended,logical in msdos
[18:49] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: i can't responsibly guide you if i dont know what is going on on your system.
[18:49] <EriC^^> texla: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX
[18:49] <pineapplelover_> I nkow
[18:49] <pineapplelover_> I will risk a chance
[18:49] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: does this file system object exist? /home/ivan/usr
[18:49] <EriC^^> curlyears: hello
[18:49] <pineapplelover_> how do I find out?
[18:51] <NoobHelp> Can anybody help me with this?: The system image is meant to be flashed to a raw device (I.e., no partitions). On Linux, this can be done like the example shown below: $ dd if=my_usb_image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M
[18:51] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn what do you mean
[18:51] <KAOS> NoobHelp: is ur usb wiped?
[18:51] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: use "sudo parted -ls" to get the name of your usb and replace it in the command instead of /dev/sdX
[18:51] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn the folder usr was not there when I installed the system
[18:51] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: what does this return: ls -la /home/ivan/usr
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxrwxr-x   9 ivan ivan 4096 jul 17  2017 .
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxr-xr-x 115 ivan ivan 4096 jun 24 20:03 ..
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxrwxr-x   2 ivan ivan 4096 jul 17  2017 bin
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxrwxr-x   3 ivan ivan 4096 jul 17  2017 include
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxrwxr-x   3 ivan ivan 4096 jun 24 20:41 lib
[18:52] <pineapplelover_> drwxrwxr-x   2 ivan ivan 4096 jul 17  2017 mnt
[18:52] <tomreyn> !paste | pineapplelover_
[18:52] <NoobHelp> KAOS: Should I remove the partition (/dev/sde1) and replace with (/dev/sde) or not?
[18:53] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: what doe sthis return? file /home/ivan/usr
[18:53] <curlyears> EriC^^: any suggestions what channel I might seek help on?  The problem is a npn-working BIOS update utility (or my USB thumb)
[18:53] <pineapplelover_> /home/ivan/usr: directory tomreyn
[18:53] <EriC^^> curlyears: probably some forum for your specific BIOS
[18:54] <lessthan0> NoobHelp I don't think you understand the difference between sde and sde1
[18:54] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: what does this return: ls -la /usr | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:54] <lessthan0> sde is a physical peice of hardware
[18:54] <lessthan0> sde1 is a logical volume (a partition)
[18:54] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn: http://termbin.com/oa146
[18:54] <lessthan0> sde can have many partitions
[18:55] <NoobHelp> lessthan0: then why is it asking me to flash to a "raw device (I.e. no partitions)"
[18:55] <lessthan0> if sde1 exists then you can be sure sde exists in /dev/
[18:55] <lessthan0> so the iso is getting sent to the device
[18:55] <lessthan0> sde
[18:56] <lessthan0> after that is finished, that device will have as many partitions as the iso contains
[18:56] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: run *exactly* this: sudo rm -rf /home/ivan/usr
[18:56] <lessthan0> they will be identical in every way
[18:56] <NoobHelp> lessthan0: So should I delete sde1 and only have unallocated space and then use dd on sde or not delete sde1 and dd to sde nonetheless
[18:57] <curlyears> EriC^^:   yeah, I thought of that.  There doesn't seem to be one.  The BIOS is an AMI BIOS, heavily modified for MSI's boards
[18:57] <lessthan0> in your example it should be dd if=my_usb_image.iso of=/dev/sde bs=4M
[18:57] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn done
[18:57] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: you should do a fresh install sometime, rather sooner than later. and read up on file system hierachy, users, groups and permissions, and why you should use apt to install software rather than building things yourself most of the time.
[18:57] <tomreyn> !fhs | pineapplelover_
[18:57] <NoobHelp> lessthan0: Thanks
[18:57] <lessthan0> sde1 if it exists will be destroyed and there will be a new sde1 after it finishes
[18:58] <lessthan0> so you will lose all data on sde1 and lose all data on sde
[18:58] <tomreyn> !permissions | pineapplelover_
[18:58] <lessthan0> be sure you are sending it to the right place
[18:58] <lessthan0> if sde is windows then you deleted it by accident
[18:59] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: unmount /dev/sde1 before dd'ing anything
[18:59] <pineapplelover_> tomreyn ok thanks
[18:59] <tomreyn> pineapplelover_: and don't trust online tuorials too lightly, better come here if you're ususre.
[18:59] <lessthan0> also interesting for noobs is that the iso can be larger or smaller than sde
[18:59] <pineapplelover_> k
[18:59] <tomreyn> *unsure
[18:59] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: run "sudo umount /dev/sde*" then the dd command, followed by "sync"
[19:00] <lessthan0> if it is smaller then there will be garbage on the disk even after it is wiped and overwritten
[19:00] <lessthan0> if it is the other way then you get an error writing past the end of the drive.
[19:01] <lessthan0> so in some cases you would want to write zeros with dd before writing the iso
[19:01] <lessthan0> or tell dd where to stop if you want to prevent an error
[19:02] <lessthan0> bs=4M is really only there for increased speed by matching the command to the hardware you are writting to and from. it works without a block size but it runs slower
[19:03] <KAOS> lessthan0: Apologies for the butt-in but couldn't a gui application be easier for noobs like us
[19:03] <KAOS> lessthan0: Perhaps something like etcher?
[19:03] <NoobHelp> EriC^^: I didn't do that. It is dd'ing right now. What do I do?
[19:04] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: you could cancel it with "ctrl +c"
[19:04] <NoobHelp> EriC^^: It just finished. Do I need to do it over again?
[19:04] <Biessie> ioria : I think i figured out why my download speeds are slow! i did a speed test on my linux server and it's under 1mbps... when my laptop on the same network has 100+ mbps up and down. what could be wrong? driver issue?
[19:04] <lessthan0> sometimes it is
[19:04] <NoobHelp> What is "sync"?
[19:05] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: that depends on if anything else is writing to /dev/sde1 or had written
[19:05] <NoobHelp> EriC^^: No, it was completely empty and no application was using it
[19:05] <EriC^^> sync dumps the cache, stuff that you told the pc to write and it pretended to but waited for other stuff to come along to write it all at once
[19:05] <lessthan0> this is probably the only command you need to know if you are making a live usb installer. you only need to learn this one command. you need to understand the process with or without the gui.
[19:06] <ioria> Biessie, sudo lshw -C Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:06] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: ok, no worries then, just run "sync" and you're free to unplug the usb
[19:06] <lessthan0> people want the gui because they don't understand linux but a gui wont change that
[19:06] <lessthan0> you need to unmount with the gui
[19:06] <NoobHelp> EriC^^: Thanks :)
[19:06] <lessthan0> same as with terminal
[19:06] <KAOS> lessthan0: You're right
[19:06] <EriC^^> NoobHelp: np
[19:06] <lessthan0> the command is umount /dev/sde1
[19:06] <lessthan0> super simple
[19:07] <KAOS> lessthan0: But people here aren't the type of people who use Linux to look cool. "Oh ma gawd I don't want Mikerosoft tracking me so I got Linux look I'm a hacker"
[19:07] <lessthan0> how can we make this more simple? we can't. imagine sudo gparted then click unmount then click yes
[19:08] <lessthan0> thats more steps then umount /dev/sde1
[19:08] <KAOS> Anyone can advise on the powerpoint blank slides bug under wine?
[19:09] <Jonta> Yes
[19:09] <KAOS> lessthan0: I understand your point!
[19:10] <Biessie> ioria : it helped following this a LITTLE - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1029723/slow-wifi-since-updating-to-18-04
[19:10] <Biessie> i will do what you asked now
[19:11] <Biessie> okay done
[19:12] <lenny> got a problem my printer working but scanner is not detected ... not even with xsane ...
[19:12] <lenny> have canon pixma mg5650
[19:12] <lenny> I have used it about week ago ...
[19:13] <Jonta> lenny: Ubuntu-version?
[19:14] <cactus00000> lenny: my guess is, it is a driver issue!
[19:14] <lenny> 16.04
[19:14] <Bashing-om> Biessie: "< ioria> Biessie, sudo lshw -C Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <lenny> cactus00000, u mean like i need to reinstall it?
[19:14] <Biessie> Bashing-om : i did that
[19:15] <Biessie> just brought me to a new line once it completed
[19:15] <Bashing-om> Biessie: We are awaitung the returned URL . Pass that link back here .
[19:15] <cactus00000> lenny: not the os. maybe look up drivers for that printer for linux
[19:15] <ioria> lenny, for reference : https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/18
[19:15] <Biessie> drake@drake-UL50VT:~$ sudo lshw -C Network | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:15] <Biessie> [sudo] password for drake:
[19:15] <Biessie> drake@drake-UL50VT:~$
[19:16] <Biessie> ioria : Bashing-om : i ran it again and it dumped a link the second time. http://termbin.com/t4l0
[19:16] <lenny> cactus00000, I already install it before, because I used it.
[19:17] <ioria> Biessie, yes, iwlwifi might have some issues
[19:17] <cactus00000> lenny: odd. the reason i am using ubuntu linux is that it has most drivers and what not..
[19:18] <cactus00000> lenny: it must be a driver issue.
[19:18] <lenny> cactus00000, I try to reinstall it than ...
[19:18] <ioria> Biessie, did  the '11n_disable=1' solve the issue ?
[19:19] <Biessie> ioria : It brought my speeds up to 5-6mbps vs sub 1mbps
[19:19] <ioria> Biessie, is it a server ?
[19:19] <Biessie> but my speeds are 100mbps up/down on fiber
[19:20] <Biessie> ioria : i had server and desktop packages installed but will mostly be server
[19:20] <ioria> Biessie, i'd use ethernet ...
[19:21] <Biessie> ioria : Ill try that. i have a switch handy i can use and put there to add another line
[19:21] <Biessie> so you think the wifi drivers are faulty? i didnt have that issue on 16.04
[19:23] <Biessie> ioria : haha wow! yea its something with wifi.
[19:24] <Biessie> Testing download speed................................................................................
[19:24] <Biessie> Download: 118.23 Mbit/s
[19:24] <Biessie> Testing upload speed................................................................................................
[19:24] <Biessie> Upload: 112.43 Mbit/s
[19:24] <Biessie> oops sorry. i thought it would put all in one line.
[19:24] <ioria> Biessie, using 18.04  ? if yes... can you paste /etc/netplan/*yaml ?
[19:24] <Biessie> those speeds above is with my ethernet
[19:24] <ioria> i see
[19:25] <Biessie> ls - /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml
[19:26] <ioria> Biessie,  cat  /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:26] <Biessie> http://termbin.com/t7ul
[19:27] <ioria> Biessie,  it's ok
[19:27] <Biessie> what is ok?
[19:28] <coconut> Anyone knows out the top of their mind whether an medion brand pc with windows 8.1 OEM installed is an UEFI system or BIOS system?
[19:28] <ioria> Biessie,  the netplan config (if you're using NM) ....
[19:29] <Biessie> im not sure. just default settings
[19:29] <ioria> Biessie, for Desktop yes, not for server
[19:30] <Biessie> under wifi settings for this connection.. it says link speed - 1MB/s
[19:31] <Biessie> wired its showing 1000MB/s
[19:31] <Biessie> so its gotta be something with wifi settings capping my speeds
[19:32] <ioria> Biessie,  what's your kernel ? uname -r
[19:32] <Biessie> 4.15.0-23-generic
[19:33] <ioria> ok
[19:33] <Ben64> it's an old wireless chip, and wifi sucks, i don't think there's more to it than that
[19:34] <ioria> Biessie,  someone solved with kernel 4.16.0 mainline but i cannot recommend
[19:35] <Biessie> ioria : Yea ill just stick to the wired connection. My knowledge with linux is very minimal
[19:35] <Biessie> ioria : Thank you so much for the help and efforts
[19:35] <ioria> Biessie,  no problem,you're welcome
[19:37] <Biessie> ioria : i do have a netgear a6100 usb stick.. think that would work or nah?
[19:38] <ioria> Biessie, it uses RTL8811AU. .. not sure of the outcome
[19:40] <qwebirc9117> hello
[19:41] <Biessie> screw it. ill just rearrange some stuff and install a switch
[19:41] <ioria> Biessie, in any case : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2235778
[19:41] <Jonta> qwebirc9117: Hi
[19:45] <qwebirc9117> I am trying to use the ls command to create a link directory but it keeps throwing an error could some one has time could you let me know what I am doing wrong ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tRFMpp99Fk/
[19:46] <ioria> maybe ln not ls
[19:47] <qwebirc9117> OMG if thats it I am so stupid
[19:50] <lenny> having trouble to install tar.gz package ... try to install scanner drivers for canon pixma mg5650 but after tar xvzf scagearmp...tar.gz when i run ./configure it shows there did not find any configure ... ubuntu 16.04
[19:50] <ioria> qwebirc9117, don't say that : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tldGgGFe194
[19:52] <qwebirc9117> I am stupid as stupid does by not reading the guide clearly :-P
[19:53] <xit> lenny, after zxvf, did you cd to the directory tar created?  Can you paste an ls output of the directory?
[19:53] <ioria> lol
[19:55] <lenny> xit, in the folder is install.sh and 2 folders: packages and resources
[19:56] <xit> there should be a configure file with executable privileges.  Did the tar complete successfully?
[19:59] <xit> lenny, nevermind.  I just downloaded it and there is no configure.  Can you run ./install.sh instead?
[19:59] <april2018> "Stupid" here again still not able to get the ln command to run correctly https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4MwjCFsdqR/
[19:59] <lenny> xit, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXnfQkTrXF/
[20:00] <lenny> xit, how to install that?
[20:01] <xit> just type: ./install.sh
[20:01] <memphisto> april2018: ubuntu-dev:/home/april# ln -s /mnt/april/ /home/april/downloads/
[20:02] <xit> lenny, you might need to do: sudo ./install.sh
[20:05] <lenny> xit, anything else need to do after run scangear.../install.sh ?
[20:07] <xit> Can you check if it installed the ScanGear software correctly?
[20:08] <lenny> xit, installation has been completed
[20:09] <xit> Ok, are you able to run it?
[20:12] <lenny> xit, finally ... works
[20:13] <lenny> xit,  thanks ...
[20:16] <xit> Lenny, yay!  Glad you got it!
[20:19] <coconut> xit: ./install.sh does not come with uninstallation management, am i right?
[20:20] <xit> coconut, probably not.
[20:24] <oerheks> the output of the scangear package gave some debs, so it should be reversable
[20:26] <Anticom> Hi. I'm still kind of a linux newbie when it come's to full-time use so please bare with me. Knowing about both KVM and (as a former windows user) VirtualBox I've just asked about, wether nowadays using KVM actually yields some benefits over using VirtualBox.
[20:26] <Anticom> asked myself*
[20:30] <april2018> thanks memphisto  think i am getting it
[20:30] <tomreyn> Anticom: i'd prefer virtualbox for desktop use + integration, kvm on servers for performance and no need for guest addons on linux guests.
[20:32] <tomreyn> kvm provides more options regarding what you virtualize, too.
[20:33] <Anticom> so is KVM actually faster, does it use less resources, etc.? Like what's the benefit of using KVM over VirtualBox
[20:34] <compdoc> kvm is good if you want servers that boot and run automatically
[20:35] <compdoc> its good enough for business use
[20:36] <Anticom> but kvm is as convenient as VirtualBox using virt-manager
[20:36] <Anticom> so if kvm was better i'd stop using VirtualBox and switch over to kvm
[20:37] <compdoc> life is full of twists and turns
[20:38] <tomreyn> i disagree about <Anticom> but kvm is as convenient as VirtualBox using virt-manager
[20:39] <tomreyn> try to do usb device pass-through with virt-manager
[20:39] <Anticom> tomreyn: disagree about what exactly?
[20:39] <Anticom> hm, let me try
[20:40] <memphisto> Anticom: for home use, i'd recommend vmware player. 2nd place virtualbox and 4rd kvm
[20:40] <memphisto> *3rd
[20:41] <compdoc> start with the best if you intend to run the vm very often: kvm
[20:42] <Anticom> wow there's quite a few oppinions on that topic if i all get you right
[20:43] <tomreyn> actually usb passthrough is a lot easier now with virt.manager, seems i didn't look into this for a good while.
[20:43] <Lagair> Truthfully, in most use cases for personal use, any of them will work as they are close enough to each other on modern hardware. Use what you want.
[20:45] <Anticom> Lagir that's what i thought. They shouldn't differ in performance significantly enough to choose one over the other so just use whatever floats your boat
[20:45] <Anticom> I guess the only advantage of using kvm over the other two is that kvm is open source and that should be the linux spirit, right?
[20:46] <tomreyn> well virtualbox is, too, for the most part.
[20:46] <Anticom> didn't know that
[20:47] <tomreyn> that's why it is in ubuntu, in contrary to vmware-*
[20:51] <tomreyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=epyc-kvm-virtualbox
[20:51] <tomreyn> this may be just a one-shot view on things, though, a biased comparion
[20:56] <Dave_Elec> hey guys i have removed python2 with "sudo dpkg -r --force-depends python" and i tried to install it with apt and i amgetting dpkg error(1) how can i reinstall it?
[20:56] <Dave_Elec> ubuntu 18.04
[20:57] <Dave_Elec> amz3: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/o583IvvClPVR35jgmlIg/
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: Try ' sudo apt install --reinstall python-minimal ' .
[21:03] <memphisto> Anticom: when pausing/saving state of VM, Virtualbox is the fastest. and since i power on my VM just for quick stuff and save it again i want it fast
[21:03] <memphisto> hence me using virtualbox instead of other solutions
[21:03] <ruffleS> need help with dell l421x graphics card. i want to disable NVIDIA as it's overheating my laptop.
[21:04] <Dave_Elec> Bashing-om: yes the same
[21:06] <Biessie> how can i download using wget using a mirror site that waits 5 seconds before download starts such as sourceforge? or do i have to do it another way via command line?
[21:08] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: Back to square1, pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ' see if we can get to the bottom of the issue .
[21:12] <Dave_Elec> Bashing-om: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/dosCWSGf27yLyLAAWkY4/
[21:12] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: looking.
[21:17] <BenderRodriguez> well ubuntu
[21:17] <BenderRodriguez> the time has come
[21:17] <BenderRodriguez> I am needing to upgrade my 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS
[21:17] <BenderRodriguez> what do I need to do and check so that this goes off without an issue
[21:17] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: Oh my - how about ' sudo apt install python ' ?
[21:17] <gigirock> BenderRodriguez, have you unity desktop ?
[21:17] <BenderRodriguez> gigirock: no GUI -- this is the server version
[21:17] <gigirock> ah ok BenderRodriguez ask google for an official guide and go on
[21:17] <Dave_Elec> the same as --fix-broken
[21:17] <gigirock> BenderRodriguez, have you strange conf like raid o something else ?
[21:17] <Bashing-om> BenderRodriguez: The general advise is to await the .1 point release before upgrading 16.04, as then the upgrade path will be open . But for the adventuresome there is a means to force the release upgrade .
[21:18] <oerheks> BenderRodriguez, networking, (netplan) and much more fun ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[21:18] <Dave_Elec> Bashing-om: it all started by me doing 'cp /usr/python by python3' to just type python for python3 and python2 for the other. since python is a symlink.
[21:20] <BenderRodriguez> netplan eh...interesting
[21:20] <BenderRodriguez> why in gods name does ubuntu add more abstraction over network config
[21:20] <BenderRodriguez> first systemd, then networkmanager, and now on top of that netplan
[21:20] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: I do not know now how to straigten this out .. python is critical to the system and I am afraid to mess about too much with it .
[21:21] <Dave_Elec> i think it was not installed on ubuntu 18 by default
[21:22] <Dave_Elec> i remember typing sudo apt install python
[21:26] <ColdKeyboard> How can I see why ubuntu server boots into emergency mode? I can see my drive and console starts in my ~ dir. (I cloned old drive to SSD and changed UUID in fstab, doublechecked that hey match)
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: I do believe that you may be correct on that 'python' is superceeded . I did have to install python in 18.10 to support old scripts .
[21:26] <Bashing-om> !info python bionic
[21:27] <compdoc> ColdKeyboard, how did you clone it?
[21:28] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, i think the OS is not secure
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Dave_Elec: ^^ says otherwise .. that python is the default in 18.04 .
[21:28] <bob98> Problem with script permissions in Firefox under 18.04 on some sites (ex: http://www.pro-tv.net/2002-5-kanal.html or http://rus24.tv/perviy_kanal.html). Same sites with same ver of Firefox work fine under 16.04. What is likely responsible: NoScript plugin, Firefox for 18.04 or something in 18.04 itself?
[21:29] <ColdKeyboard> compdoc: used GParted to copy one partition, paste on another. Re-installed GRUB, used fsck on /dev/sda 1 and changed fstab to have my new hdd UUID
[21:29] <ColdKeyboard> gigirock: If that's the case, how would I solve that?
[21:30] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, wait a minute...
[21:30] <compdoc> sounds theres a good chance that didnt go well
[21:31] <oerheks> bob98, script to watch pay tv?
[21:31] <bob98> its actually free tv
[21:31] <ColdKeyboard> compdoc: gigirock Which part? It boots into emergency mode but when I do 'ls' I can see all my files copied properly
[21:32] <bob98> oerheks: and even allowing all scripts still doesn't allow for video to start
[21:32] <oerheks> if this is on the same firefox, that would be odd
[21:34] <ColdKeyboard> Can I check why is it failing to boot GUI?
[21:34] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, the username the root and the computername remain the same  ?
[21:35] <bob98> I checked, the ver of Firefox on both systems (16.04 and 18.04) is the same - 60.0.2 64bit Quantum
[21:37] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, have you the grub menu ? please run 'filesystem check or something similar'
[21:37] <bob98> oerheks: any idea what's causing it or how to fix it?
[21:38] <ColdKeyboard> gigirock: Yes, it's still called `fileserver` and it root is to my name
[21:38] <oerheks> there must be something special, who owns the script ( groups) on 16.04 and is the execute stuff set properly?
[21:38] <ColdKeyboard> gigirock: I've run fsck -y /dev/sda1 but same issue
[21:39] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, can you phisycally disconnect the old  hardisk from the system ?
[21:39] <ColdKeyboard> I do however see `A TPM error (7) occurred attempting to read a pcr value` poping up during boot
[21:39] <ColdKeyboard> gigirock: Already disconnected
[21:40] <bob98> oerheks: both systems are single user, both were set up by me so I don't see why permissions would be different
[21:40] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, in the system now the configuration is for the mech hard disk but you are running a ssd
[21:41] <gigirock> ColdKeyboard, i made something similar but with clonezilla live disk and had no problems at all
[21:42] <ColdKeyboard> Yeah, I wish I tried that before
[21:42] <ColdKeyboard> Maybe I'll give that a try after I try few more options
[21:42] <bob98> oerheks: in any case, how would you verify script permissions?
[21:43] <oerheks> ls -la # gives permissions
[21:44] <bob98> to be honest, I don't understand why permissions would differ for diff scripts on a page (I thought permissions are only for applications or documents)?
[21:45] <oerheks> so a script is not an application?
[21:47] <oerheks> anyway, you checked the script, seems both the same.. then i have no clue why it differs.