[02:14] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy update takes soooooooooooooo long.
[02:14] <ratpoison> savvas: are you referring to my open office problem? Has that bug been reported?
[02:14] <savvas> no one forces you to do it Xero :p
[02:15] <Xero> savvas, I force me to do it.
[02:15] <Xero> Compared to Gutsy, Feisty sucks.
[02:15] <savvas> ratpoison: yeah, but I don't know about bug reporting, I rarely use openoffice these days, I just noticed it :)
[02:15] <IdleOne> Xero: why is that?
[02:16] <ubuntu_> umm
[02:16] <Xero> Gutsy has newer software and more up to date security.
[02:16] <IdleOne> Xero: ok makes sense
[02:16] <Xero> Hooray simple answers!
[02:17] <rexy_> feisty has security backports too dont it?
[02:17] <ubuntu_> i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd
[02:17] <Xero> Yes, but that's a hassle.
[02:17] <rexy_> off course gutsy has some extra  features i guess
[02:17] <rexy_> heu installing security updates is pretty much automated
[02:17] <rexy_> however things like apparmor are nice
[02:17] <Xero> Backports isn't.
[02:17] <ubuntu_> i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd
[02:17] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: any errors?
[02:17] <rexy_> backports arent securety updates
[02:17] <ubuntu_> no
[02:17] <Xero> You have to enable another repo, which, although not hard, is a hassle.
[02:18] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: just doesnt boot? what . describe symptoms please
[02:18] <ubuntu_> execpt grub 15 and 17
[02:18] <Xero> ubuntu_, did you burn the CD at a fast speed?
[02:18] <ubuntu_> it trys to boot and gives me the errors grub 17 and 15
[02:18] <_dan_> soooo pam problem half solved, need to make it use gdm pass
[02:19] <ubuntu_> no i didnt
[02:19] <_dan_> how can i disable my annoying pc speaker?
[02:19] <savvas> _dan_: system > pref > sound
[02:19] <Xero> ubuntu_, what speed was it burnt at? I don't see why GRUB would complain of an error 15.
[02:19] <IdleOne> _dan_: get a pen and poke a tiny little hole in it :)
[02:19] <ubuntu_> it was 16x
[02:19] <Xero> If I remember, that means it can't find /boot/menu.lst
[02:19] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: burn at 4x
[02:19] <ubuntu_> i cant run the computer tho
[02:19] <IdleOne> nice and slow
[02:20] <_dan_> sacater its not enabled there, thats y i ask :/
[02:20] <IdleOne> you can use livecd to download and burn
[02:20] <Xero> IdleOne, he can't start the box.
[02:20] <ubuntu_> kk
[02:20] <IdleOne> ummm
[02:20] <IdleOne> maybe not
[02:20] <Xero> Well, he can't start Windows.
[02:20] <ubuntu_> yes i cant start the box both drives are now corrupt
[02:20] <savvas> ouch
[02:21] <ubuntu_> ya
[02:21] <ubuntu_> i just got a hd for ubuntu specific and installed and tryed to boot and blammo
[02:21] <ubuntu_> here i am
[02:21] <Xero> Your Windows may not be corrupt.
[02:21] <Xero> Try using the Windows install cd's recovery console.
[02:22] <Xero> fixboot and fixmbr are useful here.
[02:22] <ubuntu_> how would i boot in tht i keeps giving me grub 15 and 17
[02:22] <IdleOne> windows is not corupted just need to fixmbr
[02:22] <IdleOne> !fixgrub
[02:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:22] <ubuntu_> but i have stufgf on it i really need
[02:22] <Xero> ubuntu_, it won't delete anything.
[02:22] <Xero> Use the install CD's recovery console
[02:22] <ubuntu_> formatting windows deletes everything dun it?
[02:23] <savvas> ubuntu_: you won't format
[02:23] <Xero> It is not formatting.
[02:23] <ubuntu_> this came preinstalled w/ windows and no cd's
[02:23] <savvas> well.. um.. :)
[02:23] <Xero> Then go pirate one like a good Windows user.
[02:23] <ubuntu_> tht is why they call me helpless on gamespy arcade
[02:23] <savvas> there's a torrent alternative
[02:23] <ubuntu_> is there a torrent client on ubuntu?
[02:24] <savvas> www.deluge-torrent.org
[02:24] <ubuntu_> thnx
[02:24] <savvas> there is one preinstalled though
[02:24] <savvas> apps > internet > bittorrent
[02:25] <ubuntu_> not on my live cd
[02:25] <ubuntu_> bittorent
[02:25] <ratpoison> ubuntu_: it's there, the link is just disabled
[02:25] <ratpoison> if you go to e.g. torrentspy.com and download a torrent you\ll see it
[02:25] <ubuntu_> torrent spy has disabled downloads for the us users
[02:25] <savvas> ubuntu_: try run: gnome-btdownload
[02:26] <savvas> ubuntu_: isohunt
[02:26] <ubuntu_> i use torrentman.com
[02:26] <ratpoison> torrentspy.com was just an example, you can go to any torrent site you like
[02:26] <Xero> ubuntu_, use the link ubotu gave you.
[02:26] <Xero> !fixgrub
[02:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:26] <ubuntu_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gnome-btdownload
[02:26] <ubuntu_> /usr/bin/gnome-btdownload:858: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.threads_init is deprecated, use gtk.gdk.threads_init instead gtk.threads_init()
[02:27] <Xero> The second one.
[02:27] <Xero> Look at the first one, too.
[02:27] <Xero> It sort of pertains to your situation.
[02:27] <ubuntu_> kk
[02:27] <Vorbote> But... The bittorrent client included is outdated and in fact rejected by many trackers. The problem is that later versions use a non-free license. You are far better off using Deluge (or Transmission for that matter).
[02:29] <fulat2k> asisak: yeo... managed to upgrade to GG b1.
[02:29] <ubuntu_> man this sux
[02:30] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using a wifi usb stick and was recognized as rausb1 in feisty.  however, upon upgrading to gg b1, i can't seem to get the device it's attached to even in /var/log/messages.  any ideas?
[02:30] <fulat2k> when i do a lsusb, i can see the device is identified.
[02:30] <_dan_> so pam prob solved, now how can i disable my pc speaker
[02:31] <savvas> ubuntu_: you're using beta, not final, you should be aware of the risks, since ubuntu gutsy is still under "Testing" :)
[02:31] <ratpoison> _dan_: system> sound> prefs and search the tabs there
[02:31] <_dan_> nope
[02:31] <_dan_> its disabled there
[02:31] <Vorbote> _dan_, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d that reads "blacklist speaker"
[02:31] <Xero> ubuntu_, try reinstalling GRUB.
[02:32] <_dan_> vorbote thx
[02:32] <Xero> from the live cd, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1' into a terminal.
[02:32] <savvas> Vorbote: thanks for the transmission suggestion :)
[02:32] <ubuntu_> cuz i dun have a floppy dive ill just use hdb to grub boot
[02:32] <_dan_> vorbote blacklist-speaker
[02:32] <_dan_> or blacklist-pcspkr
[02:32] <_dan_> ?
[02:32] <Xero> Error 15, I think, wouldn't be changed by this, but it's worth a shot.
[02:33] <_dan_> cant i just add "pcspkr" into modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:34] <ubuntu_> L0A|)1|\|G 0pen0ffice.0rg 2.2
[02:34] <ubuntu_> ???
[02:34] <Xero> -What the F---
[02:34] <ubuntu_> why did it type tht?
[02:35] <Xero> I have never seen that in my life.
[02:35] <penguin42> _dan_: If it's coming via X then xset b off
[02:35] <ubuntu_> evil possed computer
[02:35] <Xero> penguin42, thank you for nobeep command of doom.
[02:35] <_dan_> now my last problem: when i mount a partition into /home/dan/data it appears as /home/dan/data on desktop plus nautilus instead of just data, so in nautilis adress bar i got [home] [dan] [home/dan/data]  etc
[02:35] <penguin42> muhahaha
[02:35] <Vorbote> _dan_, read the other files in that directory. Plenty of examples. :-)
[02:35] <_dan_> how cna i tell gnome i wnat it as data not fullpath
[02:36] <_dan_> Vorbote did, btw already done ;)
[02:36] <Xero> Okay someone help ubuntu_. I'm confused.
[02:37] <Xero> I think we may have a MITM here.
[02:37] <ubuntu_> how do i change my name?
[02:37] <Xero> ./nick yournewname
[02:37] <Xero> without the dot
[02:38] <Xero> lol
[02:38] <d34th> kk thnx
[02:38] <ratpoison> Xero: try /say command
[02:38] <d34th> wait sumthins not right
[02:38] <Xero> ratpoison, that's more keystrokes than ./
[02:38] <d34th|helpless> now thts right
[02:38] <d34th|helpless> lol
[02:38] <ratpoison> Xero: not if you add "without the dot :p "
[02:38] <Xero> lol
[02:39] <savvas> _dan_: why not mount it in /media/ or /mnt/ ?
[02:39] <_dan_> i mount it in my homedir, wheer i want it
[02:39] <d34th|helpless> yeay
[02:39] <Xero> I now have a trademarked symbol of my laziness.
[02:39] <_dan_> prob is, gnome thinks for some weird reason it has to report it with full path instead of relative path, like it should do
[02:40] <d34th|helpless> this irssi is kinda like mIRC
[02:41] <Xero> XChat rivals mIRC in power, but mIRC has the easiest scripting (and horrible syntax)
[02:41] <savvas> yeah, except in irssi you use the keyboard more than your mouse clicks :)
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> ya
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> :)
[02:41] <_dan_> mirc is way better than xchat IMHO, nothing can compare to it, at least when i last used mirc (4 years ago)
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> my comp is dieing :(
[02:42] <Xero> Try installing GRUB again.
[02:42] <savvas> _dan_: true, if the xchat people would put a pay&register button, it would be as great as mirc
[02:43] <Xero> In a terminal, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1'
[02:43] <d34th|helpless> i wonder what would happed if i unpluged hdb out of its socket and made it a cd drive
[02:43] <_dan_> savvas hahaha
[02:43] <Xero> Actually, remove the 1
[02:43] <d34th|helpless> imma install it to hdb
[02:43] <Xero> Ok.
[02:44] <_dan_> i get constant apport reports about cron crashing :O
[02:44] <d34th|helpless> bash: /grub-install: No such file or directory
[02:44] <Xero> You typed an extra / at the beginning,
[02:45] <d34th|helpless> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
[02:45] <savvas> now try a sudo in front :)
[02:46] <d34th|helpless> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[02:46] <savvas> are you sure you have /hdb ?
[02:46] <Xero> /dev/hdb
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> yes i have 2 hdds
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> 1 WDC and 1 samsung
[02:47] <ubuntu_dave> er in gutsy they're prob at /sdx
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> my screen resolution is too small to install ubuntu also
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> i have fiesty fawn
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> 7.04
[02:48] <Xero> They're at /dev/sd*
[02:48] <Xero> try /dev/sdb instead of /dev/hdb
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> kk
[02:48] <ubuntu_dave> right
[02:48] <ubuntu_dave> but for gutsy, not for feisty....
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[02:48] <Xero> No, Feisty does it too.
[02:49] <Xero> Then do it to /dev/hda, I guess.
[02:49] <savvas> d34th|helpless: dir -1 /dev/ | grep -i "^\(s\|h\)d."
[02:49] <ubuntu_dave> weird, fesity never did for me, having said that, nor does gutsy ^_^
[02:49] <Xero> d4tz c0z u h4xx0rz0rz
[02:50] <ubuntu_dave> nah from clean install
[02:50] <savvas> d34th|helpless: it will show you hard disk drives and their partitions
[02:50] <d34th|helpless> u wish i |-|4Xx0rz
[02:50] <savvas> d34th|helpless: you could use gparted to find out which is which :)
[02:51] <d34th|helpless> Unknown partition table signature
[02:51] <Xero> OH doody.
[02:51] <Xero> You had a problem partitioning. That was all.
[02:51] <Xero> Reinstall Ubuntu and all should be well.
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> i cant install drives are corrupt
[02:52] <Xero> Are you sure?
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> and my screen resolution wont go over 800x600 meaning i cant install
[02:52] <Xero> Click install.
[02:52] <Xero> See what it does.
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> install button it below screen end
[02:53] <Xero> It's the one on the far right
[02:53] <Xero> next
[02:53] <Xero> Ooooo try the Alternate CD!!!
[02:53] <Xero> It's fun!
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> yes tht is way below screen
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> alternate cd?
[02:53] <Xero> yeah
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> what tht
[02:54] <Xero> Download it from the Ubuntu site. I don't know where it is, really.
[02:54] <Xero> It's a text mode installer.
[02:54] <Xero> No desktop until it's installed, though.
[02:54] <Xero> That CD is meant for people with hdd/resolution/memory problems.
[02:54] <d34th|helpless> i only have 1 cd drive an dif i remove live cd it will die on me(again)
[02:54] <savvas> d34th|helpless: do you have any files that need to be backed up in ubuntu partitions, like your /home/ ?
[02:54] <Xero> Plug in an external USB burner.
[02:55] <Xero> savvas, his drives are corrupt.
[02:55] <d34th|helpless> dun have 1
[02:55] <Xero> He doesn't even have a /home.
[02:55] <hetauma> hi is there any way to track changes mad on each daily cd ?
[02:55] <savvas> ah
[02:55] <savvas> sorry :)
[02:55] <d34th|helpless> should i just get 6.06
[02:55] <Xero> Someone please mail him a USB burner.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> or what
[02:56] <Xero> No, use 7.10.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> i have 7.04
[02:56] <Xero> It's newer and more secure, but stability is a bit bad.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> right now
[02:56] <_dan_> can i remove evolution without make apt suggesting me to autoremove half the gnome desktop?
[02:57] <Xero> 'rm /usr/bin/evolution && echo Hooray!'
[02:57] <_dan_> well aehm not the russion way :P
[02:57] <_dan_> the clean way
[02:58] <d34th|helpless> ahhrg
[02:59] <hetauma> russion way?
[03:00] <Lynoure> Xero: what kind of security improvements are there?
[03:00] <Xero> Lynoure, AppArmor.
[03:00] <d34th|helpless> great now im getting yelled at by my mom because ubuntu corrupt my comp thnx alot
[03:01] <Vorbote> _dan_, not really but you can hide it. Edit the applications menu and untick the evolution icon. Remove the icon from the panel and choose a different mail client in System->Preferences->Preferred applications.
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> now im getting grounded
[03:01] <Xero> d34th|helpless, sorry.
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> tis alright
[03:01] <savvas> d34th|helpless: you installed feisty or gutsy?
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> feisty
[03:01] <Xero> Usually someone with this kind of problem wouldve spammed HAIL MICROSOFT BILLY=GOD
[03:01] <_dan_> Vorbote thx but well its more a question of princip to me, i dont want unused stuff installed ;)
[03:02] <savvas> then what are you doing in #ubuntu+1 ? :P
[03:02] <Vorbote> _dan_, you are a perfect candidate for Debian.
[03:02] <d34th|helpless> site said to join this
[03:02] <Lynoure> Xero: ok, thanks.
[03:02] <_dan_> Vorbote i used debian for 3+years, still using it on some machines :P
[03:02] <Xero> I used it too, but Ubuntu is more up to date.
[03:03] <hetauma> where do I report bugs?
[03:03] <bepe86> debian is still great for servers
[03:03] <Vorbote> GNOME 2.20 entered Sid this week....
[03:03] <bepe86> have a deban machine that has an uptime of 3+ years now
[03:03] <_dan_> Xero i used debian sid, so was pretty up to date
[03:04] <_dan_> but the debian release cycle is *horrible* and well, wrong channel for this discussion
[03:04] <Vorbote> Yep.
[03:04] <d34th|helpless> great i g2g make 1k and buy a new comp
[03:04] <hylje> debian release cycle is wrong channel for this discusson
[03:04] <savvas> hetauma: you mean http://launchpad.net ?
[03:05] <rexy_> _dan_: recompile gnome with just the stuff you want, also www.linuxfromscratch.org might suit you
[03:05] <bepe86> well, I'm pleased with the gutsy-beta so far. No major changes from feisty, but I like he integration with tracker, and stability has been a non-issue so far
[03:05] <rexy_> see you again in 6 months ;)
[03:05] <hetauma> savvas, I guess so
[03:05] <_dan_> rexy_ :P
[03:05] <bepe86> arch could suit you as well
[03:05] <Xero> I tried LFS and phailed
[03:05] <rexy_> honestly this bare minimum stuff is nice and all, but as long as it's not in my memory i cba if it's on my disk
[03:05] <taggie> anybody know if hda-intel is going to get fixed for release? it's frustrating that feisty had fine support but i have no sound with a fresh gutsy install
[03:06] <savvas> hetauma: that's where you file bugs, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:06] <Webbmaster> how do i get kde4 on kubuntu gutsy?
[03:06] <Vorbote> Six? more like 2. When the UD ends and the new development starts, it is when things get fun again.
[03:06] <rexy_> Xero: i never had much trouble even when they were at just 2.0 or something, sometimes stuff breaks, use exact version numbers, and dont go nuts on optimizations :D
[03:06] <_dan_> rexy_ well your right, still, if id could i removed it, but i cant
[03:06] <Xero> Nuts and optimizations is optimized nuts.
[03:07] <Vorbote> Webbmaster, there are parts in the official repos and others are in the kde.org repos (find all about it in kubuntu.org)
[03:07] <Vorbote> _dan_, you can hack the metapackages....
[03:07] <rexy_> _dan_: pruning ubuntu for unused packages seems a waste of effort, unless you're really tight for diskspace and it doesnt pose a security risk, whats the harm in leaving it. minimizing takes so much time, trial and error, just not worth it ussually
[03:08] <hetauma> but should I report thins like.... run firefox and try to install adobe flash from the pop up window, while having synaptic running. I get error message that synaptic is running and then firefox says that adobe flash succesfully installed when it didn't do anything
[03:08] <rexy_> besides whats minimal, a lot of packages you do need,install loads of crap you dont need, heh
[03:08] <_dan_> rexy_ well of corse you are right, its just personal preference to not have it lying around
[03:09] <Vorbote> hetauma, that's perfectly normal. The dpkg/apt database directories are locked because they can't be used by more than one instance of the program (in any of its incarnations).
[03:10] <Vorbote> That is, they can be read but not written.
[03:10] <hetauma> Vorbote, yes I know but because of that flash wasn't downloaded/installed but firefox "said" succesfully installed
[03:10] <rexy_> _dan you can always profile your system , and use that to prune, but it'll probably break stuff horribly too
[03:10] <Vorbote> Ahh, that's another kettle of fish.
[03:11] <_dan_> rexy_ hm nope would just be great if gnome meta package would be like evolution || thunderbird || other email prog
[03:12] <Vorbote> hetauma, that certainly sounds like a bug to me. (Weird it didn't happen to me).
[03:12] <ubuntu_dave> (I'd love to see Evolution gone tbh ^_^)
[03:13] <hetauma> Vorbote, u didn't run synaptic while firefox was trying to download flash ?
[03:13] <savvas> ubuntu_dave: we all do, but ubuntu provides a complete desktop solution to the average user
[03:13] <Vorbote> In fact yes.
[03:14] <Vorbote> But that was like a couple of weeks back. There was a firefox update in the meantime if memory serves.
[03:14] <ubuntu_dave> savvas: ah i really have no idea how popular Evo is.. was just saying I personally don't use it and therefore would appreciate an easy way for it not to exist on my system :) but yeah I understand the 'complete desktop solution' principle
[03:15] <_dan_> gnome should adopt thunderbird, like firefox in their desktop-env IMHO
[03:15] <ubuntu_dave> I agree
[03:15] <_dan_> but yet again, this is the wtng channel for this discussion
[03:15] <Vorbote> Or balsa.
[03:16] <_dan_> want i dislike btw, gftp is built without ssl support
[03:16] <_dan_> so is the mail-notification plugin IMHO
[03:16] <bjwebb_> hi
[03:17] <rexy_> _dan_: yeah but evolution is very tightly coupled with gnome in ubuntu i think
[03:17] <_dan_> rexy_ well on my laptop i got it uninstalled, gnome works fine (dont ask how i did it, i dont know)
[03:18] <rexy_> i tried but it broke stuff, and by default it runs a process that is rather small so i doesnt bother me much
[03:18] <_dan_> mail-notification <-  SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian) this renders the plugin useless for a big deal of users
[03:18] <_dan_> the process i got disabled in session
[03:18] <rexy_> that's where it's started
[03:18] <rexy_> along with other great stuff such as the indexing service :)
[03:18] <hetauma> it's already reported :D
[03:19] <hetauma> I love beta testers :D
[03:19] <_dan_> rexy yeah i dont know what visual does either
[03:19] <_dan_> and why does bluetooth manager get startet, i dont even have bluetooth
[03:19] <jussi01> Hmm, has anyone had their screen resolution being set bigger than the screen'?
[03:19] <_dan_> and what the heck us user folder updater   not even a description there
[03:20] <penguin42> jussi01: No, but I had it set smaller
[03:20] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: yes it;s a common problem
[03:21] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: is there a fix/workaround?
[03:21] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: the gutsy area of the forums has lots of into on how to fix it
[03:21] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: ahh, thanks
[03:21] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: iirc the best way is simple to edit your xorg.conf and ensure the right max resolution is set
[03:21] <CaBlGuY> so, if I've got the "latest" live CD of gutsy, is it stable enough to install?
[03:22] <ubuntu_dave> CaBlGuY: is it stable enough to run for you kinda answers that
[03:22] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[03:22] <ubuntu_dave> CaBlGuY: bare in mind the usual disclaimers about beta software
[03:22] <nikolam> CaBlGuY: Only for testing..
[03:22] <CaBlGuY> yea.. I know about betas..
[03:22] <sobersabre> hi. I have run x86 version of gutsy on my amd64 machine with 3GB of memory and nVidia Geforce 7300 GS card.
[03:22] <sobersabre> I think because of the restricted driver the machine gets stuck with X.
[03:23] <sobersabre> how can I debug and realize what really makes the machine stuck ?
[03:23] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: I have. the problem is when I set it to 1680x1050 (my screens correct res) it only shows part of the screen
[03:24] <CaBlGuY> once it's "officialy" released, I'll be able to do an apt-get update and get all the pathes correct?
[03:24] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: make sure you have the right horizontal and vertical refresh rates set in your xorg then
[03:24] <rexy_> sobersabre: dmesg, the X log
[03:31] <sobersabre> ok rexy_ thanks.
[03:33] <therethinker2> Can someone help me with a dpkg problem?
[03:34] <therethinker2> dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004' near line 1: newline in field name `#padding'
[03:34] <therethinker2> I checked out /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004, its just "#padding" on every line
[03:35] <therethinker2> 512 lines, to be exact
[03:35] <penguin42> my updates directory is empty
[03:36] <macogw> im upgrading feisty to gutsy and it just said it couldnt install python-apt
[03:36] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy updates take forEVER
[03:36] <IdleOne> can someone tell me where this would be added? http://xchat.org/files/source/2.8/patches/xc284-improvescrollback.diff
[03:36] <penguin42> macogw: How are you updating and what exactly was the error?
[03:36] <macogw> gksu "update-manager -d"
[03:36] <macogw> Could not install 'python-apt'
[03:36] <macogw> The upgrade will continue but the 'python-apt' package may be in a not working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it.
[03:37] <macogw> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[03:37] <therethinker2> I emptied my 0004 file, and it seems to be working...
[03:37] <macogw> thats the 4th package to say that, but that one's worrisome
[03:37] <penguin42> macogw: Hmm that's odd
[03:37] <therethinker2> thanks
[03:37] <penguin42> macogw: Was your feisty upto date before you started the upgrade
[03:37] <macogw> yes
[03:38] <penguin42> If it's only a handful then after the upgrade has finished I would explicitly tell it to install each of the failed package and see if you can get a more meaningful error
[03:38] <macogw> ok
[03:38] <macogw> i guess just as long as dpkg doesnt do that im ok
[03:39] <macogw> launchpad-integration just said it as well
[03:39] <macogw> it said that one before though
[03:39] <macogw> and synaptic
[03:39] <macogw> well and all the launchpad-integration libraries
[03:39] <macogw> and update-manager-core
[03:39] <penguin42> not good - you have plenty of disc space on / ?
[03:40] <penguin42> Brucevdk: There should be a Xorg0.log.old
[03:40] <macogw> it says 71% in use and its a 10G partition, so i have 3G
[03:40] <penguin42> ok
[03:41] <Brucevdk> penguin42: ah yes, there is
[03:41] <Brucevdk> penguin42: does a warning such as this "(WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f05 failed." indicate anything?
[03:41] <macogw> given that ive installed ubuntu on a computer with a 5G hard drive and give / only 2G, i dont think my partition's too small
[03:42] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Well I haven't got it - I don't know what that one actually means
[03:42] <penguin42> macogw: No, as long as there is some free you are OK
[03:42] <penguin42> and where did you find a 5G drive?
[03:42] <Xero> penguin42, I have a 2G drive.
[03:43] <Xero> Actually, I have a 500M drive somewhere in my closet.
[03:43] <penguin42> Brucevdk: But it is a WW so it is a warning not an error
[03:43] <macogw> my pentium 2 came with one
[03:43] <macogw> i have a 2G drive at home too
[03:43] <penguin42> Xero: Yeh I've got a 20M drive over there----> but I don't use it.....
[03:43] <Xero> My 386 came with 500MB HDD
[03:43] <Brucevdk> penguin42: there doesn't seem to be anything in that log either indicating why or what made it crash
[03:43] <penguin42> Brucevdk: What's the last thing in the file?
[03:43] <Brucevdk> penguin42: (WW) I810(0): Successfully set original devices (2)
[03:44] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Doesn't look too bad does it
[03:44] <Brucevdk> hehe
[03:44] <penguin42> actually my firewall has a 3G drive in
[03:44] <Brucevdk> penguin42:  this is after closing a fullscreen wine application and only happens with the "new" intel drivers (not the i810 one), basically it tries to do something with switching resolutions and seems to take the xserver down with it
[03:44] <macogw> the pentium 2 runs debian now though.  gnome's too heavy, so its got: text-mode debian etch + X + e17 + iceweasel + OOo
[03:45] <Brucevdk> even from a blackbox user perspective the new intel drivers seem to handle switching resolutions quite differently, because the screen actually blanks (which wasn't the case with the i810 ones)
[03:45] <penguin42> macogw: OOo on a p2 - ouch :-)
[03:45] <Xero> Mousepad would be better on a P2
[03:45] <Xero> and the Gimp
[03:46] <macogw> the reason that box exists is for my siblings to type term papers
[03:46] <macogw> it *was* XP
[03:46] <macogw> this is much faster than XP...like a 2 or 3 year old box
[03:46] <macogw> hm thats interesting
[03:46] <Xero> ckie8w672100000000000
[03:47] <penguin42> cat in the house?
[03:47] <macogw> it just said the upgrade is aborting because so much stuff failed, but i see lots of "setting up $package" still scrolling by and it doesnt look aborted
[03:47] <Xero> 26 packages left to update and my laptop will be Gutsy.
[03:47] <Xero> So I spammed in joy.
[03:47] <penguin42> macogw: It might be worth trying at the command line
[03:48] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Ah - I've got problems with the new drivers as well not being fully stable; I think they are getting better but not there yet
[03:48] <Brucevdk> penguin42: yeah, they are noticeably getting better, when I checked them out a few months ago they crashed my system on startup (that doesn't happen anymore \o/)
[03:49] <Brucevdk> penguin42: can't wait untill they're stable, because the i810 drivers when outputting to two monitors at the same time will get all fuzzy on you (which is already resolved in the new drivers)
[03:49] <macogw> i love when gnome-screensaver ignores the fact that you might want to use your system again after it comes on
[03:49] <Xero> lol
[03:50] <Xero> :O depmod time!
[03:50] <Xero> Gutsy shall boot in about 5 minutes.
[03:50] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Weird; I've not tried dual heading yet
[03:50] <Xero> Depmod depmod depmod!!!
[03:50] <vonhalenbach> hi
[03:51] <Xero> Hello.
[03:51] <Xero> Oh poop. fuse is an invalid binary.
[03:51] <Xero> Haha.
[03:52] <vonhalenbach> Totem is not attached to the media format speex  .spx
[03:52] <vonhalenbach> On the live cd
[03:53] <macogw> ok the text in the "details" part finally caught up to the "it will abort now" that popped up 10 minutes ago
[03:53] <macogw> ooo new sudo? nice
[03:54] <Xero> orly?!?!?!
[03:54] <macogw> it says [password of $user]  so people dont go "but i didnt set a root password" or "what password does it want?"
[03:56] <Xero> Mine already had that.
[03:56] <macogw> found the problem
[03:56] <vonhalenbach> When i shutdown the live cd, it really shuts down and switches the computer off. But the screen looks terrible when shutting down. I had 1027x768x16 chosen at the start.
[03:56] <macogw> launchpad-integration keeps liblaunchpad-integration0 from installing and that keeps practically everything else from installing
[03:57] <macogw> oh, mine didnt
[03:57] <vonhalenbach> almost all is translated to german.
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> just a few buttons and an error message is missing.
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> can i lend a hand? I am a translator.
[03:58] <macogw> the error was on launchpad-integration and said the package is in a very bad and inconsistent state and should be reinstalled.  instead of taking its own advice and downloading a new one and installing that, it tried to keep going and install things which depend upon the one it didn't install.  i think that should be considered a bug
[03:58] <macogw> vonhalenbach: sure go ahead
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> ok
[03:59] <macogw> there's translation in launchpad so just add your phrases to it
[03:59] <vonhalenbach> thanks.
[03:59] <vonhalenbach>  How can i shutdown cleanly the live cd? There is no button.
[04:00] <macogw> i always use reboot from the live cd cuz i want to go back to my stuff
[04:00] <BlueParrot> hmmm, some times it is kinda hard to tell if a broken webpage is the fault of the browser or the webpage , is it safe to assume that 90% of the time it is the webpage ?
[04:00] <vonhalenbach> macogw: How do you issue the command reboot?
[04:00] <penguin42> macogw: if launchpad-integration is broken then try an apt-get remove launchpad-integration and then try again?
[04:01] <penguin42> BlueParrot: Try another web browser
[04:01] <Xero> BlueParrot, if you use IE on Windows, it's the browser's fault. Period.
[04:01] <Xero> Otherwise, it's the page.
[04:01] <BlueParrot> : )
[04:01] <macogw> what is with acpi? my laptop lights say its on AC power.  the gnome panel shows a power plug for AC power.  hovering on the power plug icon on the panel says "the computer is running on battery power"
[04:01] <macogw> penguin42: i just did aptitude install launchpad-integration and now tons of other things are installing, so i guess its going through /var/cache/apt/archives and seeing what's not configured and doing those
[04:02] <BlueParrot> Xero: I don't think I have used windows on my own machine since I found out there was GUIs for Linux machines :P
[04:02] <BlueParrot> Xero: of course, that was about 4 years ago so ... :P
[04:02] <macogw> that was only a year ago for me
[04:02] <macogw> i used DSL to find out you can use a mouse in linux
[04:03] <BlueParrot> hehe
[04:03] <vonhalenbach> :)
[04:03] <macogw> and when i saw mandriva in a book i went "woah they have real guis" but one of my friends said to avoid mandriva and use ubuntu
[04:03] <BlueParrot> thing I like with it is that 4 years after starting to use it I'm doing things which causes "normal people" to think I'm some dangerous hacker ...
[04:03] <penguin42> Hey we've had GUIs for well over 10 years!
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> I have found an issue with unmounting my harddrive from the desktop.
[04:04] <macogw> heh
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> Yeah.
[04:04] <macogw> BlueParrot: 2 of my friends were kicked out of linux-computer-having libraries because they were "hacking" ie "using the command line"
[04:04] <BlueParrot> personally I think ssh had a much greater "WOW" factor than Aero :P
[04:04] <macogw> haha
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> I mounted with the button. /dev/sda1 on media/disk
[04:04] <macogw> alsamixer is apparently impressive
[04:05] <macogw> i think fluxbox contribute
[04:05] <macogw> d
[04:05] <macogw> fluxbox always makes you look 1337er
[04:05] <BlueParrot> macogw: they should clearly have installed beryl and enabled the water effect ...
[04:06] <BlueParrot> would have been fun to hear that customer support conversation
[04:06] <vonhalenbach> then i played some songs of my music collection from the harddisk. then i tried to unmount it.
[04:06] <macogw> in an internet cafe: "what are you doing?" "raising the volume" "oh.  wait, but...what are you using?" "linux" "oh.  ive never seen a girl use linux"
[04:06] <vonhalenbach> error message, because i had the files still opened with totem.
[04:06] <macogw> well yeah you were still accessing the disk
[04:06] <macogw> you cant unmount while the disk's in use
[04:07] <vonhalenbach> then i closed totem, but i still cant unmount, because now was the button switched. I could just press on mount. :(
[04:07] <macogw> time to reboot into a hopefully working gutsy
[04:07] <BlueParrot> macogw: well most Linux users only ever interact with text based information so gender is obviously irrelevant :P
[04:07] <macogw> why is the logoff button now a running dude?
[04:07] <qiv> hi ... are there any instability issus known for gimp?
[04:08] <qiv> on my machine it crashes all the time :/
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: if you use the "small" theme
[04:08] <hetauma> how can I see which language I am using on systemtray?
[04:08] <BlueParrot> macogw: it is more user friendly, clearly *shrug*
[04:08] <qiv> macogw, so i just have to change the theme and it works again? :D
[04:08] <macogw> hetauma: you cant tell based on what language everything's in?
[04:08] <vonhalenbach> locale
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: yes
[04:08] <qiv> loving it ;) thanks a lot ^^
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: that themeis broken
[04:08] <BlueParrot> hetauma: do you mean the keyboard layout ?
[04:09] <hetauma> BlueParrot, yes
[04:09] <BlueParrot> hetauma: are you using Gnome or KDE ?
[04:09] <macogw> oh add to panel  > the one with a flag
[04:09] <hetauma> I need the indicator
[04:09] <hetauma> gnome
[04:09] <BlueParrot> right click on the panel and add the little applet
[04:09] <hetauma> thanx alot :D
[04:09] <macogw> keyboard indicator is in the "utilities" section
[04:10] <macogw> anyway time to reboot
[04:12] <vonhalenbach> Does someone here use xfce as desktop enviroment?
[04:13] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: *waves*
[04:13] <Xero> F***!
[04:13] <Xero> Help!
[04:13] <vonhalenbach> Ah. How do you shutdown ?
[04:13] <Xero> My moms computer can't find Windows system files any more!
[04:13] <BlueParrot> isn't there a button in the menu ?
[04:13] <Xero> Shes gonna be soooo pissed!!!
[04:13] <Xero> HELP!
[04:14] <Xero> The bootloader cant find C:/windows/system32/hal.dll
[04:14] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it shoudl either be a button in the menu or on the panel
[04:14] <vonhalenbach> no, i cant find any button. I had used sudo shutdown -h now from a terminal.
[04:14] <Xero> HELP!!!!
[04:14] <penguin42> Xero: Did you change the partitioning?
[04:14] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: On the live cd too?
[04:14] <Xero> penguin42, no.
[04:14] <Xero> I used Wubi.
[04:14] <hylje> Xero: it's not a ubuntu problem anymore
[04:14] <hylje> Xero: to fix it, you need to repair windows
[04:15] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: hmm, I dunno, I have not changed my home directory since ages ago so my layout is probablydifferent from yours
[04:15] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Not even when i do a middle click or a right click.
[04:16] <vonhalenbach> Ctrl+ Alt and Del doesn't  work either.
[04:16] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: you can always add a button by right clicking the panel and chosing "add new item"
[04:16] <savvas> gimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:16] <Xero> I just told her and now shes mad.
[04:16] <Xero> Oh well.
[04:16] <penguin42> hmm Wubi looks quite cute - if it didn't nuke your machine that is
[04:16] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: personally I tend to just kill the X session and then shut down from gdm
[04:16] <vonhalenbach> I did not found a "add new item".
[04:17] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: ehe? when you rightclik the panel you get a context menu , no ?
[04:17] <mon^rch> she should use Linux anyway ;)
[04:17] <penguin42> Xero: See, she should get you your own computer - much safer
[04:17] <vonhalenbach> A shutdown button is needed for noobs, to cleanly unmount (forced) mounted volumes.
[04:18] <Xero> penguin42, I have my own.
[04:18] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: there should be one by default, I don't know why you don't have one
[04:18] <Xero> I wanted her to try Linux.
[04:18] <savvas> Xero: you reinstall windows, but we're definitely out of topic
[04:18] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Please test the last xubuntu desktop live cd.
[04:18] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: I'm out of CDs actually
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> :)
[04:19] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: but anyway, when you rightclick the panel don't you get a menu ?
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> cd rw? no?
[04:19] <penguin42> Xero: If you have the windows CDs you could try a repair; or perhaps go see if you can find any WUBI guys to see if they know how they broke it
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> middle button click.
[04:19] <BlueParrot> na, I forgot them back home when I moved out
[04:19] <Xero> penguin42, I'm trying a repair.
[04:19] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: not middle, right-click on the panel
[04:19] <Xero> fixmbr, fixboot, chkdsk
[04:20] <vonhalenbach> When i right click i can choose which window. window 1 to window4
[04:20] <vonhalenbach> and the opened applications are there.
[04:20] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: where are you right-clicking ? It doesn't sound like the panel
[04:20] <Xero> lol
[04:21] <vonhalenbach> on the desktop screen (background image) I haven't seen any panel.
[04:21] <BlueParrot> the taskbar ...
[04:21] <BlueParrot> you shoudl have two panels
[04:21] <BlueParrot> one at the top and one at the bottom
[04:21] <vonhalenbach> Do you talk about gnome?
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> There is none.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: oh, that is not right ...
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> I had xfce running for the first time.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: try running "xfc4-panel" in a terminal
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> Maybe i should search more.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> xfce*
[04:22] <Xero> join ##windows
[04:22] <Xero> Doh.
[04:23] <Xero> No slash.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it sounds as if the panel has not started
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> ok, i will try this the next time.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it sounds as if you have something broken in your configuration files
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> Now i am in my normal kubuntu feisty.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[04:23] <BlueParrot> well, something has hosed your config
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> Then the live cd is broken.
[04:24] <BlueParrot> quite possible
[04:24] <vonhalenbach> I should maybe choose another resolution. Like 800x600 the next time.
[04:24] <vonhalenbach> I had used 1024x768x16
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it should look something like this: http://www.xubuntu.org/files/edgy1.jpeg
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: naaa, it sounds more as if something is broken
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: like the panel didn't start or something
[04:25] <BlueParrot> that is an edgy screenshot btw
[04:25] <BlueParrot> dunno if there is a successful gutsy one somewhere
[04:25] <vonhalenbach> or maybe they were just out of my screen.
[04:26] <BlueParrot> unlikely
[04:26] <BlueParrot> shouldn't be
[04:26] <vonhalenbach> Those panels were not there.
[04:26] <vonhalenbach> Ok, i will try again. thanks for your feedback.
[04:26] <BlueParrot> yea, ok, something is broken then
[04:26] <BlueParrot> unless they actually changed it, but I doubt that
[04:27] <vonhalenbach> Now, i know what to test.
[04:27] <vonhalenbach> Are here developers with svn access to the xubuntu sources? Or just users?
[04:32] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: I'm just a user, I'm not sure the developers will reveal their identities out of fear of retribution :P
[04:32] <vonhalenbach> hehe
[04:32] <vonhalenbach> No problem. was just curious.
[04:33] <Zoiks> how long does a badblocks take?
[04:33] <Zoiks> its 3 hours and counting so far
[04:34] <penguin42> Zoiks: How big is your drive?
[04:34] <_dan_> get yaself a pizza, watch a nice movie
[04:34] <_dan_> go out have some drinks
[04:34] <_dan_> it takes *long*
[04:35] <Zoiks> i think its a 400
[04:35] <Zoiks> or 500
[04:35] <Zoiks> just a question
[04:35] <Zoiks> its not overwriting anything is it?
[04:36] <hetauma> the device information on my laptops battery says capacity 16%! is there any way to fix it? other than buying a new battery?
[04:36] <hetauma> any battery tricks?
[04:37] <Zoiks> hetauma: the old 24h in the freezer trick?
[04:38] <hetauma> isn't this just a legend?
[04:39] <Zoiks> possibly
[04:39] <Zoiks> but if the battery is that bad would it hurt to try?
[04:39] <penguin42> hetauma: I thought fully discharging was supposed to help
[04:40] <penguin42> Zoiks: A straight read through of a 400G drive at 40MB/s would take 2.8 hours if it managed to keep that speed up solid and didn't need to do anything else
[04:41] <kevinO> how do i play .3g2 files from quicktime?
[04:42] <kevinO> sorry if the question seems unrelated but i dont want to ask in the ubuntu channel as the information may be outdated
[04:44] <macogw> yay the upgrade worked
[04:44] <macogw> compiz fusion confuses the hell out of me
[04:45] <kRush> what's so confusing about it?
[04:47] <attunix> I installed ubuntustudio-desktop and I decided I didn't like it so I removed it. Now the boot/load screen is still there. How can I get my old Ubuntu load screen back?
[04:48] <aguitel> is Yast in gutsy ?
[04:49] <_dan_> god thx no
[04:49] <aguitel> !yast
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Xero> http://humorix.org/
[04:50] <Tomcat_> kevinO: Try realplayer helix... *might* work.
[04:50] <timing> Hey, when i have compiz enabled with fancy workspace switching, going to workspace 1 (with ALT+F1) makes the applications menu pop-up. Is this a known problem? should i go to the compiz channel?
[04:50] <kevinO> ok vlc player works
[04:50] <kevinO> thanks
[04:51] <eeyore_> The strangest thing happened just now. My clock used to have the following order: Month day, date, time
[04:51] <eeyore_> now time comes first
[04:51] <eeyore_> then the rest
[04:53] <kRush> timing, I don't think it's a problem at all, check your hotkey bindings
[04:53] <timing> yeah that's just alt+f1 to workspace 1
[04:53] <timing> I don't know if there is another hotkey settings thing?
[04:53] <timing> I just use the gnome one
[04:54] <timing> and mod4+f1 doesn't switch the window to that workspace as well
[04:54] <timing> does compiz have his own shortcuts?
[04:55] <timing> *its
[04:55] <kRush> altf1 is set to show panel menu in my gnome keyboard shortcuts you might want to unbind that and it should work
[04:55] <macogw> anyone else unable to switch desktops with C-F on gutsy?
[04:55] <timing> kRush: it's bound to go to workspace 1
[04:55] <timing> and that works
[04:55] <timing> i go to workspace 1
[04:55] <timing> and then the application menu pops up
[04:57] <kRush> timing, yeah so it has double bindings. I don't know where you set your keys for the compiz stuff
[04:57] <timing> yeah i don't know either :-)
[04:57] <timing> when i disable compiz it works okay
[04:57] <timing> maybe somewhere in gconf
[04:58] <kRush> argh no
[04:58] <kRush> I know where to set compiz keybindings, I don't know where *you* set your altf1 binding
[04:59] <wers> I do not know if this is a gutsy issue, but everytime I run Pidgin, even if I chose not to "Use status message from last exit at startup," pidgin still uses my last status message at startup
[04:59] <wers> any ideas?
[05:01] <Ryo> Hi, I don't know if you realize, but in the last update, every single thing in the start menu is now removed.
[05:01] <Ryo> I had to make a launcher just because I can't even get to this app, or the terminal, from the menu.
[05:02] <timing> kRush: i set mine with system preferences keyboard shortcuts
[05:02] <_dan_> ryo alt+f2 in case of emergency
[05:02] <Ryo> That's handy to know.
[05:03] <macogw> Ryo: howd you get a start menu?
[05:03] <Ryo> macogw:  The one called "applications".
[05:03] <kRush> timing, ok so there is the same binding still in compiz. do you have ccsm installed?
[05:03] <macogw> wouldnt that be the applications menu then
[05:04] <timing> kRush: nope :-) so i guess i need that
[05:04] <timing> apt-getting it in a few
[05:04] <Ryo> macogw:  Yeah, it would.  But it's still exactly the same in concept.
[05:04] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[05:04] <kRush> timing, you can do it with gconf-editor too but ccsm is easier if you want to change more stuff
[05:04] <Ryo> mnk:  what's the error?
[05:04] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[05:04] <timing> kRush: k thanks!
[05:05] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[05:05] <mnk> untu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i3
[05:05] <mnk> 86.udeb' is NOT trusted
[05:05] <mnk> that's in the main/log
[05:05] <mnk> main.log
[05:05] <kRush> timing, /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/main_menu_key is the one
[05:06] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[05:06] <timing> kRush: it's on disabled
[05:07] <kRush> timing, now that is weird
[05:07] <timing> yeah :-)
[05:08] <timing> what is this gnome-compiz-preferences thing btw?
[05:08] <macogw> ccsm
[05:08] <macogw> compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:09] <timing> yeah
[05:09] <timing> but what is gnome-compiz-preferences
[05:09] <Ryo> I kind of want my apps menu back :/
[05:09] <timing> it's very old i think
[05:11] <macogw> thats from old compi
[05:12] <macogw> compiz
[05:13] <timing> maybe that's fucking things up here
[05:13] <timing> how do i remove the old ones completely?
[05:14] <timing> the package upgrade didn't do that yet
[05:14] <rothchild> I have a problem with compiz not showing popup windows they are blacked out, does anyone else have this problem, I can't see any reported bugs
[05:15] <kRush> wfm
[05:17] <kRush> timing, you could do a search on <Alt>F1 in gconf (check key values) and see if anything else pops up. If that doesn't do it I'm out of ideas
[05:24] <timing> kRush: I know the problem
[05:24] <timing> *understand
[05:24] <timing> i used the non-custom option in the appearance settings
[05:24] <timing> which uses alt+f1 as mnu binding
[05:25] <timing> now i use the custom option, where the alt+f1 was disabled
[05:26] <kRush> so it works now?
[05:27] <macogw> gutsy should include the fusion icon for compiz fusion
[05:27] <macogw> there are only 2 ways to enable compiz fusion right now: command line and "desktop effects" but if you use "desktop effects" your ccsm settings are ignored
[05:27] <timing> rkyeah
[05:28] <macogw> and command line's not user friendly
[05:28] <macogw> well...not new user friendly
[05:28] <macogw> its perfectly friendly to me
[05:28] <kRush> macogw, my ccsm settings work
[05:29] <macogw> when i enabled it it did compiz --replace gconf ccp which meant that gconf's settings got loaded instead of ccp's
[05:29] <macogw> if i do it from the command line and specify ccp, it works right
[05:29] <macogw> and the panel applet is a lot more convenient than using the menus :P
[05:29] <kRush> and desktop effects menu entry is not there for me either
[05:30] <gmb> Folks, has anyone else's Applications Gnome menu become suddenly, inexplicably empty after the latest batch of updates?
[05:31] <Xero> Nup nup nup.
[05:31] <gmb> Xero: Is that a yes or a no?
[05:32] <Xero> no
[05:32] <gmb> Hmm.
[05:32] <macogw> not for me
[05:32] <gmb> It's odd; this has happened on both my Gutsy machines.
[05:32] <macogw> i just dist-upgraded though so idk how your box was yesterday...i just know current up-to-date has working menus
[05:33] <sparsec> Does anyone know whether the problem with rt2500 has been fixed?
[05:42] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[05:42] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[05:42] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[05:43] <mnk> that's in the main.log
[05:43] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[05:46] <pixl> anyone else got problems with xrandr after upgrading from feasty?
[05:47] <pixl> does it work at all in gutsy with nvidia drivers (tried several versions, same problem)
[05:47] <pixl> xrandr reports that extension is not supported on display 0
[05:50] <sparsec> pixl: Off-topic: Loads of problems with everything, that's why I switched back to feisty. :)
[05:51] <pixl> is it possible to downgrade? :P
[05:51] <pixl> crap, should have made a copy of my root
[05:52] <pixl> or ill just have to wait for fixes to arrive.. :(
[05:55] <sparsec> pixl: I did a clean install
[05:55] <sparsec> I wanted to better partition my 80GB harddisk now that I got rid of the Windows partition
[05:56] <duarte> hello. I have not been able to make my fat32 partition writable since I upgraded to 7.10. In the beginning my fstab looked like this: # /dev/sda3UUID=7B66-CCBD  /media/docs     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[05:56] <sparsec> Unfortunately, the rt2500 module which I depend on for network connection didn't work in beta with WPA, so I had to switch
[05:57] <duarte> I changed the umask to umask=000 but it still does not make it writable
[05:57] <duarte> can anyone help me?
[05:58] <rexy_> umask is just used when creating permissions for a file
[05:58] <rexy_> try mounting it with rw?
[05:58] <duarte> also tried that
[05:58] <duarte> it still does not make it writable
[05:58] <duarte> :(
[05:59] <rexy_> do you have the permissions as a user to write there?
[05:59] <rexy_> who owns the files in the partition?
[05:59] <sparsec> yep, did you try it with sudo?
[05:59] <duarte> yes
[05:59] <rexy_> type ls in the mount point and post it on pastebin?
[06:00] <rexy_> add output of mount too
[06:01] <xtknight> weird why did xorg-driver-synaptics rename to xfree86-driver-synaptics?
[06:02] <duarte>  sudo fdisk -l
[06:02] <duarte> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>96 bytes
[06:02] <duarte> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[06:02] <duarte> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:02] <duarte> Disk identifier: 0x00008753
[06:02] <duarte>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda1               1        6079    48829536    5  Extended
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda2   *        6080       10942    39060480    7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda3           10943       19457    68396737+   b  W95 FAT32
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda5               1        4255    34178224+  83  Linux
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda6            4256        4498     1951866   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda7            4499        6079    12699351   83  Linux
[06:02] <rexy_> Dude , pastebin
[06:02] <xtknight> !pastebin | duarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded
[06:02] <ubotwo> duarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <Xero> Does this work for anyone else? http://xero-games.com/xspf
[06:03] <rexy_> also that is useless, post the ls and the output of mount
[06:03] <rexy_> Xero: works fine
[06:03] <rexy_> just have totem with all plugins
[06:04] <Xero> rexy_, thanks.
[06:04] <Xero> Now I know its my problem, not my code's problem, or my theft of code's problem.
[06:05] <rexy_> hehe
[06:05] <rexy_> awesome number
[06:09] <Xero> That player is now integrated into my index1.php, rexy_. Thanks for helping.
[06:10] <rexy_> np
[06:11] <hav0ck> Hi all
[06:11] <Xero> Hello.
[06:12] <hav0ck> can some one tell me how to install nUbuntu ? i have error installing grabu during system istallation
[06:12] <Xero> nUbuntu is not an official Ubuntu.
[06:12] <Xero> Look somewhere else for support. Sorry.
[06:12] <Xero> !nubuntu
[06:12] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:12] <Xero> :(
[06:12] <hav0ck> ohh can help me in the enother way ?
[06:13] <Xero> I'll try.
[06:17] <usser> hello question if i install beta now when gutsy is released do i automatically get released version, i mean will update itself?
[06:17] <Xero> usser, yes.
[06:17] <penguin42> yes
[06:18] <usser> alright thank you
[06:18] <usser> )
[06:18] <kevinO> what package do i need to build programs from source?
[06:18] <penguin42> kevin0: build-essentials
[06:18] <kevinO> thanks
[06:19] <penguin42> kevin0: Sorry - no 's' at the end
[06:19] <effie_jayx> I am unable to import my pics from my digital camera
[06:19] <kevinO> oh ok
[06:19] <kevinO> thanks
[06:19] <penguin42> effie_jayx: What type of camera is it, and how is it conencted to your computer
[06:20] <effie_jayx> usb
[06:20] <effie_jayx>  it is a HP photosmart
[06:20] <mendred> how does one automount a usb device that is already plugged in at boot?
[06:21] <macogw> mendred: put it in /etc/fstab
[06:21] <xtknight> might need a debian udev rule if the device name changes?
[06:21] <mendred> macogw: isn't there any rules for hald to mount an usb device
[06:21] <mendred> *aren't
[06:22] <effie_jayx> penguin42,  it has an sd 1 gig card
[06:22] <mendred> when it detects it
[06:22] <effie_jayx> I could do it perfectly in Feisty
[06:22] <effie_jayx> and I actually dualboot this same machine with dapper still
[06:22] <effie_jayx> and it works there
[06:22] <penguin42> sounds like a bug then
[06:24] <Xero> Wii time.
[06:30] <VousDeux> okay, so I just installed today's updates and rebooted. I logged in and launched XChat. I turned my head for a few minutes and when I looked back I was at the logon screen again.
[06:31] <penguin42> VousDeux: Anything else running?
[06:32] <VousDeux> no applications, but there are a few applets running in the tray
[06:32] <penguin42> hmm nothing hard then
[06:32] <VousDeux> ...volume control, stringi, network manager, ksynaptics, klipper, clock
[06:33] <penguin42> VousDeux: Look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to see if it was an X server crash
[06:34] <VousDeux> it shows a signal 11, but I'm not sure what caused it
[06:35] <penguin42> VousDeux: By the sounds of it you didn't have much running to cause it!
[06:35] <jgm> Hi is the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.22-12-generic available yet?
[06:35] <jgm> I saw some updates in that area earlier but I still can't get X running on this kernel with the nvidia driver
[06:38] <Vegar> which card?
[06:38] <jgm> 7900GS
[06:39] <VousDeux> according to syslog, it looks like the sig11 may be related to nvidia driver version mismatch
[06:40] <Lynoure> Is there some way to move files in dolphin other than a opening up another window for the destination and dragging there? I especially liked the Move and Copy in Konqueror context menu
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: you've discovered splitview?
[06:41] <VousDeux> http://nopaste.com/p/aBWkRTaDI
[06:41] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: yes. Way less handy that being able to choose from last 3 places I moved to.
[06:41] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: that is, about a minute before you asked :)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: konq is still there.  i hate it for more than 2 places, too.
[06:45] <Shadow6363> hmm, if i have a 64-bit cpu, is it yet recommended that i install the 64-bit version or should i stay with the 32-bit?
[06:48] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[06:48] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[06:48] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[06:48] <mnk> that's in the main.log
[06:48] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[06:48] <mnk> any help will be appreciated
[06:49] <vonhalenbach> mnk: Where is help appreciated?
[06:49] <mnk> ie in helping me upgrade :)
[06:49] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[06:50] <mnk> keep getting that msg
[06:50] <mnk> when trying to upgrade
[06:50] <mnk> any help will be appreciated :)
[06:50] <mnk> pleeeeeeeeeease
[06:51] <vonhalenbach> do you have the zlib1 package installed?
[06:52] <Xero> www.spam.spam.spam.spam.com/mnk.php?spammer="1"
[06:52] <mnk> i aint spamming!
[06:52] <mnk> Firefox can't find the server at www.spam.spam.spam.spam.com.
[06:52] <mnk> hehe
[06:52] <Xero> lol
[06:52] <mnk> vonhalenbach: no i don't
[06:52] <delhage> mnk: did you do a full upgrade of feisty first?
[06:53] <mnk> delhage: yeah i did - i have feisty now
[06:53] <mnk> ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[06:53] <mnk> untu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i3
[06:53] <mnk> 86.udeb' is NOT trusted
[06:53] <mnk> why is it not trusted?
[06:53] <mnk> i don't get it
[06:53] <Vegar> probably because it isn't signed
[06:54] <mnk> aaah
[06:54] <mnk> interesting
[06:54] <mnk> cos every time i upgrade my packages, it says they r not authorised or something like that
[06:54] <mnk> how can i add the signature?
[06:55] <mnk> how Vegar?
[06:55] <usser> hm what happened to konqueror?
[06:55] <usser> what is dolphin?
[06:55] <Vegar> mnk: it might be using the wrong nvidia module
[06:55] <Vegar> (there are three, IIRC)
[06:56] <Vegar> don't ask me how to make it use the correct one
[06:56] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: I have tested more. The i386 xubuntu live cd is broken. Not starting the xfce4-panel
[06:56] <mnk> Vegar nvidia?!
[06:56] <delhage> mnk: try rerunning "sudo aptitude update"
[06:56] <Vegar> oh, wait
[06:56] <Vegar> mnk: wrong channel
[06:56] <Vegar> mnk: how what?
[06:56] <mnk> Vegar: how can i add the signature?
[06:56] <Vegar> you can't
[06:57] <mnk> oh
[06:57] <Vegar> the point is that the one that creates the package signs it
[06:57] <mnk> :(
[06:57] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: oh, what does it say if you run xfce4-panel in a terminal ?
[06:57] <Vegar> unless it's your package
[06:57] <mnk> oic
[06:57] <mnk> but when i update i usually get some package signature error
[06:57] <vonhalenbach> It runs the panel if i start it manually in a terminal. It should start automaticly.
[06:58] <delhage> mnk: can usually be fixed by updating the cache
[06:58] <mnk> delhage: how would i do that?
[06:58] <delhage> mnk: like I said above, sudo aptitude update
[06:58] <mnk> oh ok
[06:58] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[06:58] <mnk> yeah i'm doing that now delhage
[06:58] <mnk> thanks delhage
[06:58] <penguin42> Vegar: Unless the problem is not that the package isn't signed, but that you are missing the stuff to check it
[06:59] <BlueParrot> oh , lol, I forgot to change my sources.list since I moved from norway :P
[06:59] <delhage> mnk: and the try aptitude upgrade again
[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org edgy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 Trevio (3v1n0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[06:59] <mnk> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:59] <vonhalenbach> I have tried different resolutions and tried original english language and tried the save graphical mode. No success.
[06:59] <mnk> sorry about the paste
[07:00] <mnk> do u think that is the problem?
[07:00] <mnk> ie is that why i can't upgrade to gutsy? cos of those errors/>#
[07:00] <mnk> ?
[07:01] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Can you fix it or give this a developer directly?  I will.
[07:02] <mnk> i have had those msgs for AGES - literally weeks and weeks delhage, even though i regularly  update
[07:02] <delhage> of course it could be something more serious too
[07:02] <delhage> ok
[07:03] <delhage> I upgraded on thursday and it went very well
[07:03] <BlueParrot> oh I'm already on gutsy
[07:03] <delhage> no snags at all, a bit dissapointing ;)
[07:03] <delhage> ah
[07:03] <BlueParrot> I'm just a bit cautious about upgrading from a working system when it is in beta :P
[07:04] <VousDeux> okay, I installed the current version of the nvidia driver...hopefully that fixed it.
[07:05] <mnk> so erm
[07:05] <mnk> any idea what i could do?
[07:08] <BluesKaj> looking for the 'startup' filelike the editable one in feisty ...is there such an animal ?
[07:08] <VousDeux> since the synaptics driver doesn't seem to work, I wonder if perhaps ALPS would work. The vendor tells me that they believe the touch pad is Synaptics, but the manufacturer did not confirm. How would I go about trying out the ALPS driver?
[07:09] <philip> gosh the update download is so slow...probably from everyone upgrading to the beta :)
[07:09] <mnk> so erm
[07:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, took me almost 90mins yesterday to upgrade
[07:09] <mnk> any idea guys?
[07:09] <mnk> pleeeease
[07:11] <philip> mnk, change "feisty" to "gutsy" if that doesn't work then remove those third party repos
[07:11] <mnk> what's that url for pastbin pls?
[07:11] <mnk> so i can paste u my sources.list
[07:11] <mnk> so u can tell me which ones to comment out?
[07:13] <KanRiNiN> After upgrading, I read the info about Gutsy not showing device info correctly.  Would this have anything to do with why my XFS and HFS partitions now longer mount on my server?  Thanks in advance.
[07:13] <mnk> i have beryl installed - could that be the problem?
[07:13] <mnk> philip?
[07:13] <philip> mnk, change "feisty" etc to gutsy
[07:14] <mnk> yeah
[07:14] <philip> change all of them
[07:14] <mnk> in sources.list
[07:15] <Meroigo_> mnk,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:17] <ray_> hi how i clear my repository download cash
[07:17] <ray_> ?
[07:17] <ray_> so i can get my stuff fresh download and not cashed
[07:17] <mnk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39168/
[07:18] <ray_> will look
[07:18] <savvas> has anyone when will the gimp dependency be fixed?
[07:18] <savvas> *anyone heard
[07:18] <scizzo-> savvas: what dependency?
[07:19] <ray_> savvas do you know how to clear the repository cash in 7.10?
[07:19] <ray_> if so how do i want to get fresh install
[07:19] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:20] <ray_> savvas see my q
[07:20] <savvas> you mean clean and autoclean?
[07:20] <Brucevdk> ray_:  I don't think clearing the repository cache will do much (at least not what I presume you want), it'll just delete previously downloaded packages but that's it (the command for that should be "sudo apt-get clean")
[07:20] <scizzo-> savvas: right so the gimp-data update is not up yet
[07:20] <ray_> brucevdk thats why i want to do
[07:20] <ray_> how do i
[07:21] <Brucevdk> ray_: why would you want to?
[07:21] <savvas> scizzo-: thank you for stating the obvious, has anyone heard if they updated the mirrors for it?
[07:21] <ray_> to get all fresdh install had one that broke will not let me reinstall it give me err
[07:21] <scizzo-> savvas: rc2 seems to be the latest on my se.ubuntu link
[07:22] <scizzo-> savvas: for both gimp-data and gimp
[07:22] <ray_> bruce is that it
[07:22] <savvas> ray_: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install -f
[07:22] <scizzo-> savvas: you are using a US link or something?
[07:22] <savvas> scizzo-: UK :)
[07:23] <scizzo-> savvas: aaa...ok
[07:23] <ray_> ok ran them all bruce
[07:23] <ray_> savas i mean
[07:23] <Crozar> I HAVE PROBLEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
[07:24] <ray_> still didnt remove the downjlaod
[07:24] <savvas> !ask | Crozar
[07:24] <ubotu> Crozar: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:25] <savvas> ray_: what are you trying to do exactly?
[07:25] <ray_> savvas ddint remove the downlod
[07:25] <ray_> savvas i trying to remove the repository download one im trying to install is givime me err
[07:25] <scizzo-> savvas: well then I guess I am back at square 1 when it came to your question... :P
[07:25] <Crozar> guys history is i used feisty then updated * with feisty i had compiz screenlets and some lib's of kde also * but now with update i couldnt enter my xorg.conf and things got weird im using laptop internet is not working maybe to do with lan driver? or i dunno but feisty was working fine however EDGE DIDNT WORK! well worked first time after install didnt .
[07:25] <ray_> so i need to remove them and reinstall it
[07:25] <Crozar> savvas
[07:25] <ray_> but not untill i remove them tell me first
[07:26] <ray_> and redownlaod it
[07:26] <savvas> ray_: what kind of error?
[07:26] <ray_> broken packege err
[07:26] <ray_> or bad download err
[07:26] <ray_> savvas how do i remove them so get good one
[07:26] <savvas> scizzo-: cheers, looks like we'll have to wait :)
[07:27] <scizzo-> Crozar: well compiz screenlets might be....um not working...
[07:27] <scizzo-> savvas: yeah
[07:27] <ray_> i see mno help:(
[07:27] <Crozar> savvas in conclusion edge had a problem with my laptop internet didnt work means i couldnt surf no we're i have my ip i see my lan people and i can login to my router but couldnt go online . with feisty i didnt have a problem but now with 7.10 gusty i have a problem like edge
[07:27] <ray_> savvas how do i remove them
[07:27] <savvas> ray_: can you paste the error in http://pastebin.ca or somewhere?
[07:28] <scizzo-> Crozar: just to be sure.....you know that gutsy still is beta?
[07:28] <Crozar> scizzo- compiz and screenlets i did install in feisty then updated my system to gusty but then compiz is still theyr i thought compiz is implemented inside gusty so should have i uninstalled it manually before i updated to gusty?
[07:28] <ray_> not asking for that tell me got bad download
[07:28] <ray_> and no to remove them
[07:28] <scizzo-> Crozar: compiz-fusion is yes...
[07:29] <savvas> look man, I don't really understand what's the problem until I see the error
[07:29] <jussi01> hmmm, an xorg experts here?
[07:29] <jussi01> any*
[07:29] <scizzo-> jussi01: maybe ask the question and find out?
[07:30] <savvas> ray_: you can edit your repository list with: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <scizzo-> Crozar: well first thing first....the internet access thing....
[07:30] <ray_> why i need this
[07:30] <jussi01> scizzo-, My screen is bigger than the monitor...
[07:30] <scizzo-> Crozar: what exactly can you see and not see?
[07:30] <ray_> savvas i asked how i get rid of repoitory downlaod tell me i need to do this first
[07:30] <scizzo-> jussi01: ok....tried changing the resolution?
[07:30] <Crozar> scizzo- ok its beta but lets keep that aside , ( ubuntu Edge version 6 ) didnt work
[07:30] <savvas> ray_: what command do you do?
[07:31] <frostburn> jussi01, you need to remove the Virtual Monitor size in you xorg, and edit out the sizes that don't exist
[07:31] <scizzo-> Crozar: edge???
[07:31] <ray_> to remove the respoitory download
[07:31] <kRush> ray_, man apt-get
[07:31] <ray_> tell me i need to remove them all befor i can install anything
[07:31] <jussi01> frostburn, ok, Ill give that a try
[07:31] <Crozar> scizzo- with edge internet wasnt working same problem as gusty
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Wifes tryint to edit some wavs into ring tones under windows. Shes using AUdicty right now. anyone reccomend a more 'idiot friendly' tool? :) (yes i am NOT letting her read this message)
[07:31] <savvas> ray_: what command did you do that broke the repository
[07:31] <ray_> all will not even let me install none untill i do this
[07:32] <Crozar> scizzo- i didnt uninstall compiz and my compiz acted weird the menu bar over each windows doesnt anymore lol i think my twaeking for fesity all has gone now :(
[07:32] <savvas> Dr_willis: yes, virtual machine software heh :)
[07:32] <jussi01> frostburn, I dont seem to have those in there...
[07:32] <kRush> Crozar, install the compiz meta package, it was missing here too
[07:33] <savvas> ray_: I don't understand you, and sorry, have to go
[07:33] <ray_> savas chache
[07:33] <frostburn> jussi01, pastebin your xorg, and i'll take a look
[07:33] <ray_> spelled it worng
[07:33] <Crozar> sorry for the late replies because a  friend came to visit me and says u know the thing u talked about that software it sux i was :@ then she said my teacher says windows is like getting ur right hand to ur right ear but with linux is getting ur hand over the head then holding the left ear i was :@@@@@ good thing i said tell her whats better mac or windows if she said windows il sennd my regard faxed spank
[07:34] <jussi01> !paste
[07:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:35] <jussi01> frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39171/
[07:35] <rico> hey everyone.
[07:35] <frostburn> jussi01, what size is your monitor?
[07:35] <ray_> jussi01 i need to clean out the repositor cache how do i
[07:35] <Crozar> scizzo- ok so i try to format and install 7.10 full?
[07:35] <ray_> still hanging around
[07:35] <rico> my busy cursor seems to have disappeared (using any theme). running gnome+compizfusion+emerald here. anyone got any clue to what could've happened?
[07:35] <jussi01> frostburn, 22" 1680x1050
[07:36] <scizzo-> Crozar: actually.....all you have done so far is actually to confuse me
[07:36] <rico> whenever there's supposed to be a busy cursor, i get no cursor at all
[07:36] <scizzo-> Crozar: I am not sure what the problem is exactly more then a bunch of text about different things going wrong from feisty -> gutsy upgrade
[07:36] <Crozar> scizzo- ok this is it ( i have feisty with all the things i had tweaked for compiz and many other stuff like xorg ) ----> i updated to gusty ---> ( now internet is not working things got weird xorg is unaxesible )
[07:37] <scizzo-> Crozar: right ok.....is it a wireless connection?
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- with Edge 6.10 i think or was it 6.4? well that had a problem no internet aswell
[07:37] <ray_> any one here see my q
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- LAN laptop normal cat4
[07:37] <ray_> seems like no one wiloing to help me
[07:37] <ray_> :(
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- i can connect with my router with the people whos on my local but not online.
[07:38] <scizzo-> Crozar: ok.....and ifconfig and so on gives you ip?
[07:38] <Crozar> ray_ hang on me u might wait for version 8 of ubuntu lo
[07:38] <Crozar> scipio yes <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:38] <ray_> whats that
[07:38] <scizzo-> Crozar: ok and you can ping www.google.com?
[07:38] <Crozar> actually im on windows now i booted it coz my ubuntu is a disgrace atm
[07:39] <scizzo-> Crozar: if you get a timeout....then try to ping the  ip from that adress
[07:39] <ray_> crozar will use this but that use to hjhave a remove button in last one thay removed it and cant clean my cache now how do i
[07:39] <jussi01> frostburn, https://acc.acme.lt/item/87881 <--- thats the monitor
[07:39] <Crozar> cant ping them nothing works trust me i know enough of networking im angry i went with stuff like arping my router manually and still doesnt work
[07:39] <Crozar> scizzo- Live CD on gusty also doesnt work BUTTT ON EDGE LIVE CD WORKS =/
[07:40] <Crozar> this is weird i dont want gusty to end up not working for my laptop LAN or somehting like that i might stick with feisty until verison 8
[07:40] <ray_> crozar see my q to you
[07:40] <Crozar> ray_ i might give up and let my laptop with feisty and use gusty for my pc :(
[07:40] <scizzo-> Crozar: nothing works.....I have never heard that one before
[07:40] <frostburn> jussi01, kk,  when you type $xrandr does it say 1680x1050 ?
[07:40] <ray_> ok crozar do you know how to remove them?
[07:41] <Crozar> scizzo- trust me if i come to ur house and show u ( this might be a dejavu bug that is important )
[07:41] <scizzo-> Crozar: can you then try to connect the machine directly to the internet without connecting it to the router and see if you can get a IP then ping
[07:41] <scizzo-> Crozar: I don't trust anyone
[07:41] <Crozar> scizzo- how can i connect directly
[07:41] <jussi01> frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39172/
[07:42] <Crozar> scizzo- ? gusty was nice because it detected my 56k MODEM !!! but my lan is theyr ip all is good roaming mod is ok everything good gatway also i know all those stuff but internet not workING~!
[07:42] <jussi01> frostburn, I have it set at 1440x900 right now
[07:42] <frostburn> jussi01, and that still makes it off the screen?
[07:42] <jussi01> frostburn, no
[07:42] <scizzo-> Crozar: your router is getting a IP from a DHCP?
[07:42] <Crozar> scizzo- just tell me i can do this go to feisty and take all the network config and dll's and put it with gusty>? if it works then wala a configuration problem if not then maybe registy problem or some kind of linux conflict with my hardware por something
[07:43] <Crozar> my router detects me yes crozar <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:43] <jussi01> but it is quite fuzzy, as if it had been squashed or something
[07:44] <scizzo-> Crozar: honestly...mate...I have given you several things you can try....the actual answer you are giving me is "nothing works" without even trying to check them from the things I have told you....
[07:44] <frostburn> jussi01, can you do a xrandr -s 1680x1050
[07:44] <jussi01> frostburn, off the screen now
[07:44] <scizzo-> Crozar: I belive that there is something wrong on the side where the traffic is trying to go router -> internet...
[07:45] <Crozar> scizzo- i told u this same problem happened to me with UBUNTU Edge verison 6 , i tried many methods which i understand about MCT networking and well nothing worked ur idea's i tested before . sooo im telling u that gusty is a revised veriosn of edge but not from feisty its like we're going backwards another frontier
[07:45] <scizzo-> Crozar: or even DNS problems on the machine it self...that it is not getting the gateway
[07:46] <scizzo-> Crozar: well you have not really given me a result to go on either....
[07:46] <scizzo-> Crozar: you say that you get to the router and to the people inside the router....however not from router -> internet....
[07:46] <Crozar> scizzo- i meant that edge didnt work with my inteernet and nobody have heard about this kind of problem ( but yes with researches about 11 days i picked up something , hardware problem with internet LAN and wireless sometimes have sideeffects and must get lib files ect.. to fix it and tweak some things ) but no one until now told me how
[07:46] <Crozar> scizzo- yes its from the system trust me why did feisty work? and edge and gusty didnt
[07:47] <scizzo-> Crozar: so.....what happens when you ping or access a site....does it say that it can't resolve the address or something simular?
[07:47] <scizzo-> Crozar: these are the things that are important.....saying its not working can be 1000000 things
[07:47] <frostburn> jussi01, head to #xorg i'll be in there too
[07:47] <Crozar> it says conecting also in irc says connect,.... for long long time then timeout
[07:47] <Crozar> well not working i meant by it is the deadline lo
[07:48] <jussi01> frostburn, ok, im there
[07:48] <Crozar> scizzo- :( il go back to feisty
[07:49] <Crozar> scizzo- i hope this problem will not be on the later verions :( and im hopeing of installing gusty on my PC and hope it willwork :(
[07:49] <hetauma> !mouse
[07:49] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:51] <Crozar> !version
[07:51] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[07:51] <Crozar> !shell
[07:51] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:51] <Crozar> !versions
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about versions - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <ray_> will not remove mplayer packege
[07:51] <ray_> still thing the download file is ther
[07:51] <Crozar> ray_ use autoremove
[07:51] <ray_> i did
[07:51] <ray_> will agen
[07:51] <Crozar> ray_ no
[07:52] <ray_> crozar what now
[07:52] <Crozar> ray_ lets wait for version 8 because i think 8 will have a good release
[07:52] <Crozar> ray_ stick with feisty
[07:52] <ray_> crozar of ubuntu
[07:52] <ray_> 7.10
[07:52] <ray_> ?
[07:52] <Crozar> 7.3
[07:52] <ray_> ok
[07:52] <ray_> when will it be comming out
[07:52] <kfazz> theres a folder under my home called logs
[07:52] <kfazz> it's full of acpi logs
[07:52] <kfazz> anyone know why?
[07:53] <Crozar> im angry lo
[07:53] <Crozar> what is the name of the ubuntu verison 8>?
[07:53] <hetauma> !emerald
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <hetauma> why there is no emerald-themes in gutsy?
[07:53] <savvas> hetauma: there is no beryl
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Heh - i saw a emerald package.. :) not that it did anything other then add an icon/setting
[07:54] <savvas> emerald - Decorator for compiz-fusion
[07:54] <savvas> ah true
[07:54] <hetauma> savvas, but emerald works fine with compiz fusion. or there is something else that replaces it?
[07:54] <savvas> maybe they have the themes in their website
[07:55] <philip> emerald used to be loaded with some themes...now there's 0
[07:55] <hetauma> actually u can "fetch" themes from within emerald but it doesn't work
[07:56] <kRush> kfazz, check /etc/syslog.conf
[07:56] <hetauma> u can fetch though non-GPL'ed themes
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: look I can't help you since you are not really up for giving me answers really
[07:58] <kfazz> thanks
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: I have giving you many things to actually test but the only thing I get is that its not working not what the result is .....
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: so I have nothing to go on really
[07:58] <Crozar> scizzo- il wait for verison 8 its ok il live with feisty and im fine with it but for PC il go for gusty =)
[07:59] <Crozar> scizzo- thanks for thehelp -) but il use gusty either way on pc but for laptop i dont use much just open office and internet and kopete =)
[07:59] <Crozar> thanks all
[07:59] <Crozar> gtg to format now =/
[08:00] <scizzo-> jesus
[08:00] <kfazz> kRush: nothing relating to acpi or to ~/logs in syslog.conf, and i've never modified it
[08:01] <raymondjtoth>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY piperpiper
[08:01] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: hmmm
[08:01] <raymondjtoth> sorry for in herer wrong window
[08:01] <raymondjtoth> sed i need to join aq chanle
[08:02] <raymondjtoth> ok how i install mplayer firefoxcx playin
[08:02] <raymondjtoth> plugin i mean
[08:03] <Xero> Holy crap.
[08:03] <Xero> He needs to chnage his pass.
[08:03] <Xero> I'm sorry. He does, though.
[08:03] <Xero> raymondjtoth, you need to do this:
[08:03] <Xero> /msg nickserv set password (some new password)
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> ok
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> will do
[08:04] <Xero> You gave away your password in the channel, and that's not good.
[08:04] <philip> there's only 255 ppl in here who saw his pass, no worries
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> how i install the mplayer plujgin for firefox
[08:04] <Xero> 257, actually.
[08:04] <philip> minus himself
[08:04] <Xero> Oh.
[08:04] <Xero> 256
[08:04] <philip> and sparsex who just joined
[08:05] <Xero> I was the one who ghosted him. It was to teach a lesson, though.
[08:05] <sparsec> it's sparsec, philip, no sex involved :)
[08:05] <Xero> lol
[08:05] <kRush> kfazz, well you should probably find out what software generates those logs, lsof yould work for that or hints in the logs themselves
[08:05] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: check in installable programs and use all installable resources or something....
[08:05] <kRush> *could
[08:05] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: then search for mplayer
[08:05] <sparsec> I see I missed some seriously interesting stuff! Anyone giving away his password? :)
[08:05] <freelock> Hi, I had update-manager -d fail part way through installation
[08:05] <philip> yeah I wouldn't go a parsex for sex neither
[08:06] <philip> parsec
[08:06] <philip> gawd!
[08:06] <uga> is anyone else seeing something strange with the mouse cursors after the last updates?
[08:06] <uga> I believe due to xorg update
[08:06] <freelock> I think I've managed to complete the upgrade with dkpg-reconfigure -a, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get autoremove...
[08:06] <freelock> Anything else I should do before rebooting?
[08:06] <Xero> I would go 10 parsecs for sex with an alien.
[08:07] <Xero> Crossbreeding FTW.
[08:07] <uga> once on the (kde) desktop, I get a strange cross cursor, as if it were about to capture a screenshot
[08:07] <sparsec> I know I've been asking this today, but anyone here with any experience with rt2500 in gutsy?
[08:07] <uga> it only happens since my last dist-upgrade, which seems to include some xorg-core update
[08:07] <kfazz> the logs don't have any info, tehy just look like acpi state changes
[08:07] <kfazz> lsof didn't work, i tried that before
[08:07] <kfazz> they seem like tehy're written to every few sconds, but they're not continuously open
[08:08] <raymondjtoth> how i purge the setting on mplayer
[08:08] <philip> if you were to travel 10 parsecs to hump a young teenage alien, you would probably find an aging alien there instead
[08:08] <raymondjtoth> so its default
[08:09] <philip> einstein's general/special theory (forgot which)
[08:09] <raymondjtoth> dose any one know how to purge the mplayer for defrault setting
[08:10] <sparsec> there should be an .mplayer directory or file in your home I think
[08:10] <sparsec> so either dig in, or delete it
[08:10] <raymondjtoth> sparsec nope
[08:11] <raymondjtoth> how i get ride of it auto clean
[08:11] <uga|away> it seems it's related to kde release, rather than xorg
[08:11] <uga|away> as starting an X server alone doesn't have the same effect
[08:11] <sparsec> wait a sec - you mean returning to default settings or removing it from hdd?
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> sparec both
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> sparsec how do i do this
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> ?
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> with mplayer
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> i just removed it
[08:13] <uga> raymondjtoth: rm -rf $(HOME)/.mplayer shulud remove all your settings
[08:13] <kfazz> acpi packages installed: acpid, acpi-support, acpid, acpitool
[08:13] <sparsec> well it should be pretty straightforward - sudo apt-get remove mplayer && sudo apt-get clean
[08:13] <raymondjtoth> uga i get cant fine it
[08:13] <raymondjtoth> wee
[08:14] <kfazz> aaah i figured it out.. it's my gnome-panel temperature monitor
[08:14] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys.  I botched the Gutsy upgrade and am getting device-mapper errors that prevent me from doing anything, similar to herehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522820.  However, I cannot log in at all
[08:14] <usser> does anyone use kde here?
[08:14] <raymondjtoth> sparsec dose that remove all thing
[08:15] <cdm10> The new gnome-power-manager features are really great.
[08:15] <sparsec> raymond: clean removes all downloaded packages
[08:15] <bullgard4> Of what release number is the Kexi DEB program package in Gutsy?
[08:15] <sparsec> as for the rest
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> jow do i do this
[08:15] <sparsec> if it depends on mplayer
[08:15] <cdm10> raymondjtoth: It doesn't remove them, but it deletes the cached .deb package files, just want to clear that up.
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> sparsec
[08:15] <cdm10> I assume you're talking about apt-get clean
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> sparsec how i do this use to be a button
[08:16] <sparsec> cdm10 that's what I meant
[08:16] <philip> where do you guys get emerald themes? should I just get it from beryl-project.org?
[08:16] <cdm10> ok
[08:16] <cdm10> philip: try gnome-look.org, they have some... and they link to some other sites to find them.
[08:16] <sparsec> philip you can download them via emerald conf manager, or whatever the thing is called
[08:16] <sparsec> raymond I don't know about any button for this
[08:16] <philip> cdm10, will do thanks. The emrald conf manager's fetch feature doesn't work
[08:17] <uga> bullgard4: kexi 1.1.3
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> philip: I got mine from kde-look
[08:17] <sparsec> philip oh well thought it did - at least for me
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> sparsec: emeral-theme-manager
[08:17] <sparsec> although it took a whole eternity to down them all
[08:17] <bullgard4> uga: That is the same release number as in Feisty, isn't it?
[08:17] <uga> bullgard4: no idea. No feisty boxes here
[08:18] <sparsec> nosrednaekim yes, that's exactly what I meant :)
[08:18] <bullgard4> uga: right.
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> :)
[08:18] <uga> so nobody here is seeign this strange cross mouse cursor when starting up kde first time?
[08:18] <uga> I just would like to confirm it's not my own broken .kde :/
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> uga: that my feinrd is the evil take over of XGL
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> uga: does the screen flicker a little when it appears?
[08:18] <uga> nosrednaekim: uhm? I'm not using compiz by default
[08:18] <uga> no
[08:18] <uga> well... it does blink I think, yes
[08:19] <raymondjtoth> how do i remove a folder that has root provige
[08:19] <nosrednaekim> uga: but do you have xgl installed?
[08:19] <uga> no, I use xorg
[08:19] <sparsec> raymond with sudo
[08:19] <uga> or should be... a sec
[08:19] <sparsec> sudo rmdir <foldername>
[08:19] <nosrednaekim> uga: check to see if you have xgl installed
[08:19] <raymondjtoth> yes but i keep for geting the sudo command
[08:19] <cdm10> !tab | sparsec
[08:19] <ubotu> sparsec: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:19] <uga> nosrednaekim: Package xserver-xgl is not installed, so not removed
[08:19] <uga> no
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> hmm odd.
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> sparsec tewlling me its in a diretory
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> what i do now
[08:20] <sparsec> I suppose every day one learns something new. At least I did now with tab. Dunno if it's auto but thanks :)
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> does kde ever start?
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> i see mplayer folder need to remove it
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: yes, and compiz runs fine if I start it
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: so I guess you use aiglx.
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> but its in a dirtory
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: yes, nvidia binary, here
[08:20] <sparsec> raymondjtoth: if you want to delete the whole directory with all its content, use "sudo rm -r <directory name>"
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: very odd... maybe its an nvidia thing
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: the strange thing is that running xorg doesn't give me this cursor
[08:21] <uga> only at the end of kde loading it turns up
[08:21] <uga> it's a cursor like vertical and horizontal cross
[08:21] <uga> not the diagonal of the default xorg
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> oh....hmmm.
[08:21] <uga> as if it were to pick a point, or ascreenshot or...
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> k screenshot maybe?
[08:22] <uga> oh, found it... wtf...
[08:22] <uga> nosrednaekim: when starting up kde something keeps running "import"
[08:22] <uga> I wonder what's doing that
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> what?
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> inport what?
[08:22] <uga> yeah, I saw the process
[08:22] <uga> import, it's a screenshot tool
[08:22] <uga> import  -  saves any visible window on an X server and outputs it as an image file.
[08:23] <uga> what on earth is running it now :/
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> heh... wow.
[08:23] <raymondjtoth> still defaulting to other setting i had
[08:23] <raymondjtoth> will not remove all spasec
[08:24] <nosrednaekim> maybe you have it as an autostarted app
[08:24] <uga> nosrednaekim: either somebody is hacking my box, or somebody added a import command by mistake to a kde package ;)
[08:24] <raymondjtoth> what i do to return it to dauflt setting mplayer
[08:24] <raymondjtoth> default
[08:25] <kRush> raymondjtoth, move/rename/delete ~/.mplayer
[08:25] <raymondjtoth> how i del it
[08:26] <kRush> raymondjtoth, man rm
[08:26] <raymondjtoth> thats text
[08:26] <kRush> oh noez you have to read?
[08:27] <calmario> Hello, How do I add workspaces in gutsy?
[08:27] <_dan_> compiz or metacity?
[08:27] <raymondjtoth> krush i did this sudo rm -r and you dirctory
[08:27] <nosrednaekim> calmario: gnome I assume
[08:27] <calmario> yup
[08:27] <cdm10> calmario: right click on the workspaces applet, and go to preferences.
[08:27] <nosrednaekim> _dan_: there is KDE too ;)
[08:27] <raymondjtoth> ok is it gone any were eles i need to delete it from?
[08:27] <_dan_> nosrednaekim kde? never heared of :P
[08:28] <cdm10> calmario: unless you're using effects... then you have to install the package compizconfig-settings-manager and we'll go from there.
[08:28] <calmario> yeah I'm using effects
[08:28] <kRush> raymondjtoth, then it's back to defaults
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> _dan_: :)
[08:29] <ghaith> calmario: the only way i've found to add more is to install the compiz settings package and do it from there
[08:29] <uga> nosrednaekim: okay,... something is running "import commands"
[08:29] <cdm10> calmario: so, run the command < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager > and then we'll start from there.
[08:29] <uga> and thus stores a poscript file with a screenshot of whatever you click on the desktop, first
[08:29] <uga> silly bug
[08:29] <JAMEZ> hi i need help.. i want to try 7.10.. how can i update using the CD i burn
[08:29] <calmario> Is it different from CompizConfig Manager?
[08:29] <gnomefreak> JAMEZ: not the best idea right now
[08:29] <cdm10> calmario: When that's done, just tell me, and I'll walk you through adding more.
[08:29] <cdm10> JAMEZ: You can't, and you shouldn't.
[08:30] <ghaith> i think that's the package, it's not default, oyu need to install it
[08:30] <JAMEZ> so that mean i should wait until next month?
[08:30] <uga> is "import commands" meant to be some python library importing method or similar?
[08:30] <calmario> ghaith: I already have it
[08:30] <cdm10> JAMEZ: the only way to upgrade is from the alternate CD and from the repositories, but you should really wait 'till the release... it's got some big bugs.
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> uga: that IS python for that.
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> and commands is a python module.
[08:30] <JAMEZ> ahh  ok tnx a lot @ cdm10
[08:30] <uga> nosrednaekim: my bet is it's running something as a system call, instead of importing the module
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> (I just checked)
[08:31] <raymondjtoth> ty krush
[08:31] <ghaith> how can i change the default power profiles? i want cpu cloak to be always max
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> uga: go to #kubuntu-devel
[08:31] <ghaith> calmario: then check general settings
[08:31] <uga> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks, sure
[08:31] <calmario> okay
[08:32] <nosrednaekim> calmario: open the settings manager go to "general" and set the # up horizontal spaces to a higher #
[08:32] <cdm10> calmario: look for "horizontal size" and set that to however many you want.
[08:33] <calmario> Ah. That's it. Thanks a lot guys
[08:35] <cdm10> The Pidgin version should really be upgraded despite the fact that the upstream version freeze was a while ago.
[08:35] <cdm10> The current version has a security problem: http://pidgin.im/news/security/?id=23
[08:36] <awkorama> hi allz
[08:36] <raymondjtoth> got  a plublem with mplayer
[08:36] <raymondjtoth> i have real player in here from real and mplayer want to play the real file in firefox how i fix thsi so real playe them for real file
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> and not mplayer for real file
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> ?
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> but other wide great
[08:38] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: try the firefox prefrences, you can manage the default programs
[08:38] <Brucevdk> raymondjtoth: you'd probably have to muck around with mozplugger
[08:38] <raymondjtoth> were that
[08:38] <cdm10> The firefox plugin preferences suck, but they might work.
[08:38] <raymondjtoth> ghaith were in there do i go
[08:38] <Brucevdk> I personally never have any problems playing anything with mplayer (mozilla-mplayer for embedding)
[08:39] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: try content -> file types
[08:39] <Brucevdk> most cases it's just a codec problem, w32codecs from Medibuntu solves most of those
[08:39] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: also check the default gnome player for the type you're playing
[08:40] <raymondjtoth> ty ghaith got it
[08:40] <uga> nosrednaekim: thanks btw. Issue is known, and patch on the way...
[08:40] <uga> it was a python script indeed
[08:41] <ghaith> any ideas on how to control the cpu frequency? i want to disable the frequency scaling and keep the cpu at full speed all the time..
[08:42] <cdm10> ghaith: Why would you want that?
[08:42] <ghaith> well my cpu keeps running on 800mhz, i never notice that it goes higher even if i have the ondemand settings, i want ot preserve the speed..
[08:43] <ghaith> also the performance profile gets back to 800mhz..
[08:43] <cdm10> ghaith: So, you're saying that it never goes higher than 800 Mhz, even under full load?
[08:43] <Brucevdk> ghaith: after you finish the convo with cdm10, try cpufrequtils (and sensors-applet for a little applet, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" to enable non-root users to set freq)
[08:44] <ghaith> yeah, at least  it has been for the last 30 min
[08:44] <Brucevdk> oh wait might not be sensors-applets
[08:44] <ghaith> let me try to load sth..
[08:44] <ghaith> Brucevdk: already enabled, i set it to 2GHz and it goes back directly to 800mhz
[08:44] <Dr_willis> darn it. removeabel memory stick.. auto mounts.. user cant write to it..
[08:45] <Dr_willis> bug or a setting i need to set?
[08:45] <ghaith> it's getting higher when i load sth, well i guess it's good enough then.. let's try on battery
[08:45] <Brucevdk> ghaith: odd, even with userspace as governor?
[08:45] <ghaith> i dont' have that userspace
[08:46] <ghaith> on battery it doesn't go higher then 800
[08:46] <cdm10> ghaith: if it goes up when it's put under load, that's what's supposed to happen.
[08:46] <cdm10> ghaith: check in your power settings, it might let you set it to not keep it low on battery power.
[08:46] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass
[08:47] <cdm10> bernier: try turning "pcm" volume down a bit, and if that doesn't work, turn the actual volume of your player down.
[08:47] <ghaith> in the bios i've set it to high performance, i'll check again soon, as for gnome power settings, i havn't seen that option
[08:48] <ghaith> how can i install the governor userspace? or where do i enable it?
[08:49] <Brucevdk> ghaith: no no, when you use cpufreq-selector for example you can select governors, which control when the CPU frequency should be raised (there's ondemand, which'll raise it if the load increases for example)
[08:49] <bernier> cdm10 what should be the playback source?
[08:49] <Brucevdk> ghaith: userspace basically means it isn't going to touch it, it'll stay at whatever frequency the user selects
[08:49] <ghaith> oh ok, that i know, i though there's one more level to have it full power always.. performance seems to act a bit like ondemand
[08:50] <cdm10> bernier: sorry, what?
[08:50] <soc> hi
[08:50] <soc> pidgin 2.2.0 has a dos/securiy bug
[08:50] <ghaith> i dont' have a userspace mode in that case Brucevdk
[08:50] <cdm10> soc: yep, i just told 'em that.
[08:50] <soc> will it be updatetd to 2.2.1
[08:50] <soc> ah ok :-)
[08:50] <soc> didn't see you
[08:50] <cdm10> soc: My guess is probably.
[08:51] <bernier> cdm10 in volume control, there's the "playback" tab, which tracks actually plays my sound
[08:51] <cdm10> bernier: do you see "pcm" volume?
[08:51] <cdm10> bernier: I had that issue until i lowered it a bit.
[08:51] <bernier> cdm10 where should I see this
[08:52] <bernier> I can't find it
[08:52] <cdm10> bernier: In the volume control. Double-click the speaker icon.
[08:52] <cdm10> bernier: It may just be on my system, in which case I don't know how to help you.
[08:53] <ghaith> ok one more question, my wireless seems then usual, i have an ipw2200 card, i noticed that behavior recently on gentoo and now here on ubuntu.. is there a special config for it? my other pc is wired to the router and speed is normal..
[08:53] <cdm10> ghaith: your wireless seems than usual? you mean slower?
[08:53] <ghaith> yes sorry
[08:53] <ghaith> lol
[08:54] <_dan_> ghaith define slower
[08:54] <cdm10> Is it slow with starting a download, or through the entire download?
[08:54] <hetauma> linux equivalent for soulseek ?
[08:54] <ghaith> my download speed is 16KBps on my pc(wired to the router), 4KBs on the laptop
[08:55] <ghaith> hetauma: what's soulseek?
[08:56] <void^> !p2p
[08:56] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[08:56] <hetauma> p2p
[08:56] <void^> thought nicotine was on there..
[08:57] <hetauma> void^, it is on the link :D
[08:59] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass
[09:07] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass, I have SB live! 24 bit
[09:08] <ghaith> try setting up your volume levels right, and install an equalizer
[09:09] <bernier> ghaith install an equalizer .. which?
[09:09] <ghaith> hmm, what music player are you using, must have one
[09:09] <hetauma> I think that I can't see with nautilus files and folders that have names in greek. any ideas why?
[09:10] <bernier> rythmbox
[09:11] <ghaith> i think gnome had a default equalizer, i just can't remember the name, i dono if it's installed in ubuntu..
[09:12] <jimmacdonald> OK I have two issues... both are carry overs from Fiesty. #1. ACPI and USB don't play nice. when I change power modes(unplug my laptop) It errors out on USB calls.
[09:12] <jimmacdonald> #2. when it does this and I reboot Kwallet and Knetwork manager break and I have to reboot to fix.
[09:15] <jimmacdonald> anyone got any ideas on how to fix them?
[09:23] <whitt> I'm getting a HAL Device Manager error.  It doesn't provide any information, it just says there's an error
[09:29] <hetauma> how can I see the files that have greek fonts from ntfs partitions ?
[09:41] <vonhalenbach> Which color has the xubuntu livecd shutdown message?
[09:41] <kRush> hetauma, append ,locale=whateverisgreek to your mount options
[09:41] <delight> since the latest updates my menu got lost in gnome + kde ... does someone know how to fix this ?
[09:42] <vonhalenbach> delight: Which menu?
[09:42] <Xero> Should I upload a tarball of Awn to my web server?
[09:43] <delight> vonhalenbach: programms menu
[09:43] <vonhalenbach> Where you login?
[09:43] <delight> i login from gdm to either kde oder gnome .. its gutsy with the latest updates
[09:44] <delight> and everything seems to work but the applications menu is empty
[09:44] <hetauma> kRush, ty
[09:44] <delight> in both kde and gnome
[09:44] <kRush> $ amixer set Center mute
[09:44] <kRush> amixer: Invalid command!
[09:44] <kRush> Got an idea why this is not working? %-values work fine
[09:44] <delight> this happened after i did another dist-ugprade
[09:44] <Xero> awn-window.c:109: error: WNCK_CLIENT_TYPE_PAGER undeclared (first use in this function)
[09:45] <Xero> What package am I missing?
[09:48] <vonhalenbach> delight: Strange. I can't help you. Sorry.
[09:48] <delight> vonhalenbach: could it have to do with the fact that i got ubuntustudio-audio installed additionally ?
[09:49] <delight> maybe because of the cascaded menu they got ... and some upgrade on xdg-menu or so which was incompatible
[09:49] <vonhalenbach> delight: Maybe. Did you try to deinstall it?
[09:49] <delight> the ubuntu studio audio package ?
[09:49] <delight> no ...  i did not
[09:49] <vonhalenbach> yes,
[09:49] <delight> i can thou
[09:50] <delight> but it was working up till a new upgrade
[09:50] <delight> then that problem appeared
[09:50] <delight> but i'll give it a shot
[09:50] <vonhalenbach> Ah. Then the last update has done the misconfiguration.
[09:50] <sn0wman> heya, one quick question, just installed Ubuntu with the livecd (alternative cd) and installation went fine. But when i startup the screen is blank.
[09:51] <sn0wman> last thing i can see is that grub is loading. and i can hear my hd working, so i guess it starts up.
[09:52] <sn0wman> but i can't see anything on the screen. :/
[09:52] <vonhalenbach> did you try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F7 ?
[09:52] <sn0wman> ill try one sec.
[09:52] <vonhalenbach> yeah.
[09:52] <sn0wman> it's on my other comp here so :)
[09:53] <sn0wman> i installed it before any times but this is a new comp. never had any problems before so this is kinda annoying :)
[09:53] <sn0wman> many*
[09:53] <darrend> having major issues with the iwl4965 (net) driver in the beta which didn't happen in tribe5.  anyone else seeing this
[09:53] <darrend> ?
[09:53] <TuTUXG> is there no more 686 kernels for gutsy?
[09:53] <sn0wman> vonhalen: nothing happends :(
[09:54] <TuTUXG> i mean, officially
[09:54] <_dan_> TuTUXG its called -generic now
[09:54] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: Then try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F3 . This should bring you in to a terminal.
[09:54] <sn0wman> tryied them all
[09:55] <sn0wman> from 1-7
[09:55] <vonhalenbach> Hm..
[09:55] <sn0wman> i can get into terminal mode by using the cd
[09:55] <sn0wman> and rescue mode.
[09:55] <TuTUXG> _dan_, um... but generic kernel couldnt find my wireless nic
[09:55] <sn0wman> i checked syslog also, but didn't see anythig particular there iether :/
[09:56] <TuTUXG> _dan_, which works perfect with 386-kernel
[09:56] <_dan_> did u update lately?
[09:56] <sn0wman> vonhalen: my guess it has something todo with my gfx card and my tft screen somehow. cause it feels like everything is loaded and ready in the "background".
[09:58] <sn0wman> vonhalen: but i have no idea where to start looking for errors either.
[09:58] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: I have this "in the background" here too, but it is only with the login screen. I have KDE and xfce.
[09:58] <sn0wman> oh ok
[09:58] <sn0wman> so if i try to login now?
[09:58] <sn0wman> nah nothing happend :/
[09:58] <fliegenderfrosch> how stable is gutsy beta already? is it more painful to install it already or to install feisty and do an upgrade in a few weeks?
[09:59] <sn0wman> and it refuses to go into terminal mode also :/
[09:59] <TuTUXG> _dan_, yes, as always, i always do what update manager tells me to...
[09:59] <_dan_> TuTUXG whats dmesg saying?
[09:59] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: This sounds similar to my computer here.
[09:59] <sn0wman> found any wayarounds?
[10:00] <sn0wman> i can try take this crt monitor i have here and plug it in ho.
[10:00] <TuTUXG> _dan_, im on 386 kernel now...
[10:00] <vonhalenbach> I wait till my screen gets black after upstart and then go to F7. Then i can login and work.
[10:00] <sn0wman> but i rather want this to work since i just bought this tft screen for it.
[10:01] <sn0wman> yeah well i can't get into terminal at all :/
[10:01] <TuTUXG> _dan_, you want me to switch to generic and check dmesg?
[10:01] <vonhalenbach> it needs some time. Some seconds.
[10:01] <vonhalenbach> up to a minute.
[10:01] <syke_> ih
[10:01] <syke_> hi
[10:01] <_dan_> well if u want to fix your card, the best way is to look at the error logs right? :)
[10:01] <sn0wman> tried again :/ it's been up for atleast ~5min.
[10:02] <syke_> since I did the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, udevd is taking up between 50-75% of my CPU at all times
[10:02] <syke_> I have some other problems, but that is the most pressing since it makes my battery life quite low
[10:03] <syke_> anyone else know of this issue?
[10:03] <vonhalenbach> no
[10:03] <TuTUXG> _dan_, k, brb
[10:04] <_dan_> or at least ur able to post a proper bugreport then
[10:04] <syke_> in the dmesg output, I see a lot of this:
[10:04] <syke_> [ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:04] <syke_> [ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[10:04] <Ahadiel> bbl
[10:05] <syke_> I think it might be related, but I'm not sure what to do about it
[10:05] <syke_> any help is greatly appreciated
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> syke_: Maybe another kernel would help.
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> which kernel is it?
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> uname -a
[10:08] <syke_> Linux pretention 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:08] <syke_> the i386 kernel does the same, btw
[10:09] <TuTUXG> _dan_, pastebin?
[10:10] <_dan_> paste the relevant parts of your wlan stuff in pastebin
[10:10] <Xero> I got Awn to build. Just a checksum problem. The download had gone awry somewhere.
[10:11] <hetauma> amarok needs different codecs than rythmbox? I'm truing to listen to a stream that plays with rythmbox but amaroks needs codec
[10:11] <vonhalenbach> :)
[10:11] <BlueParrot> I fogured I'd update because I would be able to cope with bugs and hence might actually help a bit, and then my system goes and works flawlessly ...
[10:12] <BlueParrot> BAH!
[10:12] <Xero> hehehehe tiny
[10:12] <vonhalenbach> Btw, there existed the bugreport about panel already. I just had to confirm it.
[10:14] <TuTUXG> _dan_, http://pastebin.com/m10878d17
[10:15] <_dan_> TuTUXG i had the exact same problem 1 week ago, it went away after some updates tho, are u sure u are using an up to date mirror? whats your kernel? uname -r
[10:15] <TuTUXG> _dan_, 2.6.22-12-generic
[10:16] <TuTUXG> _dan_, i think i have the rite repos, let me double check
[10:17] <BluesKaj> heh, 2.6.22-12 wouldn't even boot
[10:17] <_dan_> TuTUXG  i can suggets, reinstall the kernel+modules if thats not working file a bug report
[10:17] <_dan_> apt-get install --reinstall packagename in case
[10:19] <TuTUXG> _dan_, k, i will do that, another question is that the generic kernel has better performance than 386 kernel with my centrino 1.73?
[10:19] <BluesKaj> is the final release going to use the 2.6.22-12 kernel
[10:19] <TuTUXG> _dan_, im just not sure if i really need the generic kernel or not
[10:20] <syke_> vonhalen: anything else I should check for this udevd problem?
[10:20] <_dan_> i dont know how much the performance gain is
[10:20] <_dan_> if u got dual core u need genereic afaik, correct me if i am wrong
[10:20] <TuTUXG> but it's better?
[10:20] <TuTUXG> ya, but my isnt dual core
[10:21] <_dan_> i doubt u feel a difference
[10:21] <TuTUXG> hum...
[10:21] <_dan_> i had 386 kernel on my laptop for years
[10:21] <_dan_> since generic wasnt working properly
[10:21] <_dan_> still file a bugreport :)
[10:21] <TuTUXG> ya, i was using 686 kernels
[10:21] <syke_> my udevd is forever eating up about 75% of my CPU - anyone know how I can debug this problem further?
[10:22] <TuTUXG> but, watever, i will reinstall the kernel and check
[10:23] <sn0wman> vonhalen: i think i found something aout the black screen error.
[10:24] <sn0wman> vonhalen: seems that (in my case) grub is causing it, booting into somehing my screen can't show.
[10:24] <sn0wman> vonhalen: problem still remains tho, cause i have no idea how to fix it.
[10:24] <luca_> hi everyone
[10:24] <syke_> my /var/log/messages is filling up with this:
[10:24] <syke_> Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention kernel: [ 7734.540000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[10:24] <syke_> Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention last message repeated 5 times
[10:24] <luca_> I have serious problems with network-manager
[10:24] <syke_> dmesg says this:
[10:24] <syke_> [ 7720.904000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:24] <syke_> I suspect this is the issue, but I'm not sure how to fix it
[10:25] <syke_> can someone please help me?
[10:31] <kRush> is there an option to enable antialiasing in compiz?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> the startup file is obviously different on gutsy than feisty.  In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[10:49] <DanaG> Gnome developers seem to overdo it on the 'simplicity' theme.
[10:49] <DanaG> Example: gnome-screensaver.  WTF?  All the settings are missing!
[10:49] <doublemike> Xero: totem?
[10:49] <redheat> Dana, Ubotu, I forgot to say I installed the new Nvidia Drivers using the usual way
[10:49] <redheat> and it rocks
[10:49] <Xero> doublemike, totem is slow.
[10:50] <DanaG> Oh, and with a notebook, try hotkey display switching some time.
[10:50] <doublemike> Xero: how so?
[10:50] <DanaG> That's been the subject of some recent updates.
[10:50] <Xero> doublemike, it plays movies slowly for me.
[10:50] <Xero> Xine plays them better.
[10:50] <Xero> I think I'll just use Xine for my media.
[10:50] <DanaG> Totem sucks at subtitles.
[10:50] <doublemike> Xero: that used to be the case for me too, but there's this weird hack to make it work
[10:51] <doublemike> totem sucks at almost everything
[10:51] <doublemike> but it was the only one that worked for me
[10:51] <Xero> Okay. I just integrated Xine into firefox with plugins and other things.
[10:51] <doublemike> btw, any idea how to do that with swiftfox?
[10:52] <isomorphism> Can someone help?  I just upgraded and cannot get past the initial setup of screen and graphics card.
[10:53] <Webbmaster> why can't i kdesu as another user on gutsy, but i could on feisty?
[10:54] <secleinteer> hi, i installed kde4 in gutsy, and i'm not getting the new kicker, or whatever it's called now
[10:54] <secleinteer> is this normal?
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: i have the same problem
[10:54] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: did you install kdebase-workspace?
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: do you just get a bar at the botom with two things along the line off: this thing can not be loaded
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yes
[10:55] <secleinteer> yeah, i get two bars
[10:55] <secleinteer> one*
[10:55] <secleinteer> with two things in it
[10:55] <Xero> How do i change keybindings in Xine?
[10:55] <secleinteer> and a button on the top left
[10:55] <secleinteer> for 'configuration'
[10:56] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: and its nearly unuseable :S
[10:56] <isomorphism> Does anyone know why I can't get past the initial setup of graphics card/screen in gutsy?
[10:56] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: it _is_ unusuable lol
[10:56] <secleinteer> unless you load kicker using 'run command'
[10:56] <secleinteer> and then it's not really kde4
[10:57] <Webbmaster> ah rite
[10:57] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: and you've got no more idea how to fix it than me? :S
[10:57] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: nope, i just installed it
[10:57] <secleinteer> good thing i did it in vmware and not with my actual install
[10:58] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: but when i load kde3 from the kdm, everything looks the same as before
[10:59] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yeah, i gave up and switched back to kde3
[10:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> hey, two problems here
[10:59] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: you put it on your actual install?
[10:59] <Whoopie> hi, anybody with an ASUS laptop here?
[10:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> after doing today's update my wallpaper and icons has gone
[11:00] <TiaGo|SouZa> anybody knows what causes that?!
[11:00] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yep
[11:00] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm on XGL
[11:00] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: that's a little risky :P
[11:00] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Does the problem persist outside of an XGL session?
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> how do I get out of xgl in gutsy?!
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> it starts automatically
[11:01] <secleinteer> TiaGo|SouZa: they don't want you getting out :P
[11:01] <contrast83> I would imagine the same way you did in Feisty. Can't you select a non-XGL session from the login screen?
[11:01] <markit> hi, I installed kubuntu 7.1 beta in a laptop of a friend of mine, and had some troubles
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what I've noticed
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:01] <markit> first one, was with the installer and the partitions
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> didn't tried that
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> have to check
[11:02] <markit> (btw, is the right plate where talk about it? developers here?)
[11:02] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Did you try just turning Compiz off?
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> actually, no
[11:02] <secleinteer> lol
[11:03] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: GNOME, right?
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> didn't work turn compiz off
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> constrast, yeap
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> well, at least my wallpaper reapeared
[11:04] <contrast83> Still no icons?
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> but not the icons or the menu when I right click the mouse
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: no icons
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> anybody here suffered of this problem?!
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> or am I alone?
[11:04] <isomorphism> On first boot of a Gutsy upgrade, does it look at the xorg.conf, or just go into some safe mode where it asks for driver info from you?
[11:05] <doublemike> before I upgrade, does xgl/compiz + cinerama/fglrx + xfce actually work in gutsy?
[11:05] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Try a non-XGL session.
[11:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: ok
[11:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: but then I would not have compiz
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: that's not really a problem, but is there a way to solve that without running out of xgl?!
[11:06] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: But then you'll know what the problem is.
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> you're right
[11:06] <contrast83> :-)
[11:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:07] <Xero> Any media player besides Amarok capable of minimizing into the tray? (Alltray+compiz=NO!)
[11:07] <contrast83> If it turns out it's a problem with Compiz, you might ask around in #compiz-fusion
[11:07] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Is the missing icons/background the *only* problem, or did you notice any other weird behavior?
[11:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> well, until yesterday, everything was fine..today's upgrade did that
[11:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: there's other strange behaviour: everytime I boot, the resolution of my screen is at the maximum value, 1400xsomething else
[11:08] <markit> well, the installer did not tried to use the empty, not already created GB free space, but wanted to "resize" existing winXP ones, sounds not good, isn't it?
[11:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> and I have to settle it to 1280x1024 manually
[11:08] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: That's something in your xorg.conf, most likely
[11:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:09] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: If you want, pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll have a look at it.
[11:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> is there a "GUI" way to resolve it?! (I know how to manually edit the xorg, but I'm afraid of doing that)
[11:09] <contrast83> markit: Did you try doing the partitions manually?
[11:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> let me see my xorg
[11:10] <isomorphism> Sorry for asking so many times, but I'm desperately trying to get this machine to work.  I can't get through the first boot (stuck on choosing a graphics card).   You're better off doing it manually so you can set seperate partitions for / and /home
[11:10] <markit> contrast83: yes, at the end I was able to do, but I'm here to report a intallation problem (bug report), is it the right place?
[11:10] <contrast83> isomorphism: What card?
[11:10] <contrast83> markit: launchpad.net
[11:10] <isomorphism> contrast83, it's an nvidia 6600
[11:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: another problem: programs and windows aren't opening
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P?
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> let me try to reboot
[11:11] <contrast83> markit: Search around on there and make sure no one reported it already
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> maybe out of xgl
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'll be right back
[11:11] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: No need to reboot
[11:11] <contrast83> agh
[11:12] <cypherdelic> Good Evening. I have to solve a problem. In my network there are two Samba Servers runnign as Shares, one is Windows XP and one is Linux. The Linux One (current beta) doesnt show ANY host in the Nautilus Network, even the Windows Network is empty. Shared Folders Service is running, Folders are Shared and Mountpoints are available. Please help. Both mashines can ping each other. Internet works great on both.
[11:12] <markit> contrast83: ah, I should register first, but I'm not a regular ubuntu user, sigh
[11:13] <cypherdelic> i cant even watch my own shares, i gues something is wrong
[11:16] <isomorphism> anyone else experience problems getting gutsy to boot for the first time with an nvidia card?
[11:18] <scizzo-> isomorphism: I got nvidia card
[11:18] <isomorphism> scizzo-, did you have any problems when you first installed or upgraded to gutsy?
[11:19] <isomorphism> scizzo-, I can't get past the screen/graphics card setup screen (new with gutsy?)
[11:19] <scizzo-> isomorphism: well.....a few changes here and there and it works ok
[11:19] <scizzo-> isomorphism: new card?
[11:20] <Lilacor> how do I change what compiz fusion plugins are configured?
[11:20] <isomorphism> scizzo-, it's an older card.  a geforce 6600.  I don't understand what gutsy is doing.  Why it won't allow me to bypass this initial setup of screen/graphics card.
[11:24] <DanaG> Debconf for Xorg really needs a "Leave my setup alone!" option.
[11:25] <isomorphism> scizzo-, I managed to get to my desktop by replacing the xorg.conf with the failsafe version.  Thanks anyway
[11:26] <Lilacor> thank goodness for backup xorg.conf files.
[11:36] <tmatix> i just upgraded to gutsy beta, it's beautiful but now my workspaces/virtual desktops aren't working right and i can't find a section in the preferences to adjust them
[11:38] <tmatix> it seems as though gnome and compiz disagree about how many workspaces i have
[11:39] <gnomefreak> tmatix: yeah thats been a bug since like june
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: hey
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> everything fine here
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:45] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Congrats
[11:45] <hetauma> there is no ubuntuguide fro gutsy?
[11:45] <contrast83> AmyRose: What card?
[11:46] <AmyRose> contrast83: It doesn't seem to matter what card since a bug has been filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147070 in gnome-panel "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: the resolution problem I worked out editing manually xorg, and the other one didn't show up anymore after I turn compiz off and restart the system
[11:46] <hetauma> tmatix, do you have compiz settings manager?
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> this is happening frequently, after the update, I have to turn something off and restart the system
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: anyway, thanks for the help, man
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> :)
[11:47] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: No problem
[11:47] <AmyRose> Why would there be an ubuntuguide for gutsy?
[11:48] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta?!
[11:48] <tmatix> hetauma: nope, installing it now
[11:48] <TiaGo|SouZa> or will it be added in the final release?!
[11:48] <bascule> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011 << you guys aware of this?
[11:49] <hetauma> tmatix, go there and under general options set the horizontal virtual size to +1 of the number of desktops you want :D
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> bascule: why are you using beryl on gutsy?
[11:50] <bascule> well because compiz doesn't give me the cube, and beryl doesn't give me emerald, gotta be a connection ... :)
[11:51] <tmatix> hetauma: wow, that works great :) thanks much
[11:51] <contrast83> bascule: Your version of Emerald is older than your version of Beryl
[11:51] <Xero> gnomefreak, what?
[11:51] <bascule> contrast83: yeah I guessed that, I have done no manual installs this is out the repos
[11:51] <contrast83> bascule: Compiz gives you the cube. It's just not in the default settings in Gutsy's packages
[11:52] <bascule> /usr/bin/compiz.real (cube) - Warn: Failed to load slide: freedesktop <--connected to no cube?
[11:52] <contrast83> bascule: If you're intent on using Beryl, I'd suggest Shame's repo.
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: You can install a settings manager for Compiz which will allow you to use the cube.
[11:52] <bascule> niekie: it is installed
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: oh, ok :-)
[11:52] <tmatix> this settings app is ridiculous, now i'm going to go press all the buttons and break a bunch of things
[11:52] <contrast83> bascule: How are you starting Compiz?
[11:53] <bascule> niekie: ccsm and cuse is ticked
[11:53] <bascule> cube
[11:54] <hetauma> bascule, at general options/ Desktop size what is the No of horizontal virtula desktops ?
[11:54] <contrast83> tmatix: You can always delete ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini if you bork your Compiz settings. ;-)
[11:54] <bascule> contrast83: I kicked it off from the shell to see debug output if any
[11:54] <hetauma> bascule, and u have rotate cube enabled right?
[11:54] <AmyRose> Does anyone have the problem where the desktop window covers absolutely everything, or at least the bottom panel, when Compiz starts?
[11:54] <bascule> hetauma: yes, no cube and no top-right corner preview thingy either
[11:54] <contrast83> bascule: command?
[11:54] <bascule> compiz
[11:55] <AmyRose> I got this problem after the last round of Compiz updates
[11:55] <contrast83> AmyRose: I think I was having that problem the other day. I completely uninstalled Compiz from that system, haven't retried since.
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: hey... are you running XGL?
[11:55] <hetauma> bascule, but is it set to have 4 desktops so it becomes cuge?
[11:56] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: No.
[11:56] <bascule> hetauma: i think this could be it ... :)
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> oh.ok... cause i'm having ANOTHER problem with compiz and Xgl
[11:56] <hetauma> bascule, actually it's a bit buggy so set it to 5 so u get 4 :D
[11:57] <SpiderPig> what will be new in gutsy gibbong?
[11:57] <contrast83> AmyRose: That was on my desktop which uses nVidia. I'm having no trouble on my laptop (ATI/AIGLX), which is why I was asking you which card earlier.
[11:57] <rafael> hi
[11:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release?
[11:57] <AmyRose> contrast83: Oh
[11:57] <AmyRose> I have Nvidia
[11:58] <RAOF> tmatix: Yes, we know that settings manager is pure distilled crazy.  That's why it's not installed by default :)
[11:58] <rafael> how can i start gnome-theme-manager at gutsy? i get command not found if i try it
[11:58] <AmyRose> RAOF: I can't stand Compiz without that tool
[11:58] <RAOF> rafael: You want gnome-appearance-properties instead.
[11:59] <contrast83> AmyRose: And when you move windows, do they leave trails?
[11:59] <contrast83> CCSM is the shizzle
[11:59] <AmyRose> contrast83: Not usually.
[11:59] <SpiderPig> will it be possible for me to upgrade to gutsy from fiesty fawn without burning and downloading a new verison?
[11:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: yeap
[11:59] <AmyRose> I wish Compiz had the Force AIGLX option
[11:59] <rafael> RAOF: yes, thanks. :) why isn't it in the menu?
[11:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: do u want to do it now, or wait for the final release?!
[11:59] <SpiderPig> sweet
[12:00] <bascule> hetauma: i have a cube :)
[12:00] <SpiderPig> i will wait for final release.  thank you sir.
[12:00] <hetauma> bascule, sweet
[12:00] <contrast83> AmyRose: Hmm... Not sure if we're talking about the same problem then. For me, the desktop window wasn't refreshing, so every bit of movement/effects/whatever left an imprint. Not sure if I'm putting that very clearly
[12:00] <SpiderPig> i am very new to linux so i cant program so i will wait when its finished. maybe i will install it on all computers i have and completely remove this filthy vista
[12:00] <AmyRose> contrast83: My problem is that Compiz seems to be mis-managing the desktop window, so it's showing up on top of EVERYTHING
[12:01] <contrast83> Yeah, mine did that too, actually
[12:01] <contrast83> It was back and forth between that, or what I was just describing.
[12:02] <bascule> hetauma: I have a 5 sided (non-cube) polygon, but it spins ... :D
[12:02] <contrast83> AmyRose: Icons on the desktop?
[12:02] <vonhalenbach> SpiderPig: Don't forget to backup your files.
[12:02] <AmyRose> contrast83: The desktop looks and behaves completely normal except that it's on top instead of behind everything
[12:02] <SpiderPig> vonhalenbach ok np. thanks.
[12:02] <contrast83> AmyRose: You *might* try sending the desktop window to the widget layer. Quite an ugly workaround, but it might work for the moment.
[12:03] <AmyRose> Uh, how?
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: believe me, you'll love gutsy
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[12:03] <RAOF> rafael: It is.  System->Preferences->Appearance.
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm already loving it, and I am on beta
[12:03] <vonhalenbach> So even if all went wrong, you still can work with your files.
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> but listen to vonhalenbach
[12:03] <vonhalenbach> beta is still buggy. Don't forget that.
[12:04] <contrast83> AmyRose: And you could just tell Compiz to draw your wallpaper
[12:04] <AmyRose> contrast83: OK, how do I do that?
[12:04] <vonhalenbach> Windows users are easily scared away, when someone doesn't work in linux.
[12:05] <hetauma> bascule, set it to 4 or 5 sometimes it gets the right value sometimes it gets -1
[12:05] <contrast83> AmyRose: Cube or Wall?
[12:05] <AmyRose> contrast83: I'm using the cube
[12:06] <contrast83> AmyRose: And by "that" do you mean all of what I suggested, or just the wallpaper part?
[12:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> vonhalenbach: I like to say that when something works in linux, Windows users tend to be impressed by how well things are done
[12:06] <AmyRose> contrast83: All of what you suggested, and I'm using KDE.
[12:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> eg, automatic network connection
[12:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> but when things don't work...
[12:07] <contrast83> AmyRose: One sec... You have the Widget Layer plugin (under Desktop), right?
[12:07] <AmyRose> yes
[12:07] <contrast83> K... Hang on...
[12:07] <bascule> hetauma: I am up and running now, it's all good man, thanks a lot
[12:07] <hetauma> yw
[12:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> *doesn't
[12:08] <contrast83> AmyRose: Widget Layer -> Behavior -> Widget Windows: type=Desktop
[12:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release? does anybody knows how can I find that information? I already looked everywhere...
[12:09] <contrast83> AmyRose: Then, to get your wallpaper back, Desktop Cube -> Appearance -> Background Images
[12:09] <Xero> How do I use multimedia keys in Songbird? The MMKeys works partially, but I want my Playpause key
[12:09] <kRush> TiaGo|SouZa, I saw a timeline recently, I think the deadline is over by now
[12:09] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Follow the link in the topic. ;-)
[12:10] <AmyRose> ok, thanks, contrast83
[12:10] <contrast83> AmyRose: Did it work?
[12:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> kRush: I saw the timeline too, the deadline was last 20, but the icons didn't change at all
[12:10] <AmyRose> contrast83: I don't know yet
[12:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> so I thought that maybe, just maybe, this changes would be added in the final release