[00:03] <thumper> mwhudson: done
[00:03] <thumper> rockstar: I'm back if you are ready to talk
[00:04] <mwhudson> thumper: danke
[00:05] <rockstar> thumper, I think this diff is good, just a few comments.
[00:06] <thumper> rockstar: skype me up
[00:07] <rockstar> thumper, hold on, Mo just got home.
[00:23] <thumper> rockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/use-last-rev-id/+merge/20023
[00:28] <mwhudson> thumper: ta
[00:28] <mwhudson> oh, i already said that
[00:52] <thumper> :)
[01:24] <mwhudson> thumper: just threw a very simple branch at you
[01:24] <thumper> ok
[01:32] <thumper> mwhudson: done
[01:33] <mwhudson> thumper: ta
[01:33] <mwhudson> thumper: really?
[01:33] <thumper> mwhudson: via email
[01:33] <thumper> mwhudson: patience
[01:33] <mwhudson> thumper: ok
[01:33] <mwhudson> :-)
[04:31] <mwhudson> thumper: hey, one more review if you're around: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/pull-mirror-branches-separately-bug-520107/+merge/20032
[04:36] <mwhudson> thumper: hm, initial email is probably wrong, hadn't pushed some revs
[09:31] <bigjools> jtv: still reviewing?
[09:31] <jtv> bigjools: yes, chuck it on the queue.  otp.
[09:32] <bigjools> ta
[09:38] <noodles775> Hi adeuring, I do realise you were thinking about accessibility when you made the decision, I'm just not sure I understand what benefit an img+alt has over a span+title+content? Is it specifically that the alt will be read, but the title attribute won't?
[09:39] <adeuring> noodles775: yes; screnreader should present images via their alt tag content
[09:39] <adeuring> s/screnreader/screenreaders/
[09:40] <noodles775> adeuring: yes, but not the title? I always *assumed* (perhaps wrongly), that titles were read by default too. Hrm.
[09:41] <adeuring> noodles775: I am also not 100% sure, but I think it is good to follow standards ;)
[09:42] <adeuring> noodles775: also, the content and purpose of the title and alt attribute are, while similar, different in theier detailed meaning
[09:43] <noodles775> adeuring: yes, theoretically, sure, but in practise I've usually seen people define both for images, and title's only for other elements (as they're just wanting the tool-tip).
[09:45] <adeuring> noodles775: right, but "tooltip" is a good summary for the spec of the title attribute I quote in the MP. But that's different from a textual representation of an image
[09:45] <adeuring> i.e, from the alt atttribute
[09:45] <noodles775> yep, it's not an accessibility feature.
[09:50] <noodles775> adeuring: so the way I was thinking about the issue, the "3 out of 4 heat flames" would be the textual content (displayed by default when no styles are used etc.), but switched to a graphical representation if stylesheets are enabled. Yes, it's not perfect (ie. content hidden by stylesheet), but it would have a title and content, and allow us to use our sprites infrastructure.
[09:51] <noodles775> But I'll butt-out of the code discussion and leave that to bac/deryck and you to sort out.
[09:52] <adeuring> noodles775: that works fine for browsers like Lynx. but many blind people use grapical software together with screenreaders. In this case your approach does not work: A screenreader should present only the visible elements of an htML page
[09:53] <noodles775> adeuring: yes, I've used screenreaders before (a few years ago), and it was always just a setting, but I can't remember what the default was.
[09:53] <noodles775> (eg. JAWS)
[10:54] <jtv> bigjools: conflict in your branch
[10:55] <bigjools> bah
[10:55] <jtv> blame noodles775
[10:55] <bigjools> one sec
[10:55] <jtv> it's yesterday's testfix branch
[10:55] <bigjools> jtv: seems ok, I just merged with none
[10:55] <jtv> hmm
[10:56] <bigjools> just pushing up a new rev
[10:56] <bigjools> see if it fixes
[10:56] <jtv> bigjools: moving right along... is the "copy" in --copy-archive as a verb?
[10:56] <bigjools> branch scanner may be having a spaz
[10:57] <bigjools> noun
[10:57] <bigjools> as in ArchivePurpose.COPY
[10:57] <jtv> that's what I figured... makes the option name a bit misleading
[10:59] <jtv> bigjools: is there any particular reason why process-accepted.py explicitly chooses read-committed isolation rather than default to it?
[10:59] <jtv> I believe serializable used to be the default, so maybe this is just historic.
[11:00] <bigjools> jtv: are you looking at the right branch?
[11:00] <bigjools> the p-a change is already reviewed
[11:00] <bigjools> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/publish-copy-archives-bug-520520-publish-distro/+merge/19987
[11:00] <bigjools> is the one I am waiting on :)
[11:00] <jtv> bigjools: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/publish-copy-archives-bug-520520-publish-distro/+merge/19987 is the one I'm looking at.
[11:01] <jtv> This bit is all the way at the end.
[11:01]  * bigjools looks again
[11:01] <bigjools> errr that diff is total crap
[11:01] <jtv> no it isn't... I need to search my desktops for a second review now
[11:02] <bigjools> wtf - it has translations stuff in it
[11:02] <jtv> Yup... did you branch off devel and then propose for merging into db-devel?
[11:02] <bigjools> nope
[11:02] <jtv> This MP is for db-devel.  Doesn't sound like that's what you wanted for this change...
[11:03] <bigjools> GAH
[11:03] <bigjools> let me re-submit it
[11:03] <jtv> I'll take that as a "yes."
  There is, however another small matter.
[11:09] <bigjools> haha
[11:09]  * jtv breathes sigh in relief that his joke wasn't taken seriously
[11:10] <jtv> 42	+        if archives.count() == 0:
[11:10] <jtv> 43	+            raise LaunchpadScriptFailure("Could not find any COPY archives")
[11:10] <jtv> Use "if archives.is_empty()" instead.
[11:10] <bigjools> can't
[11:10] <bigjools> it's sqlobj
[11:10] <jtv> grrr
[11:10] <bigjools> otherwise I'd use bool()
[11:11] <bigjools> but that's got a bug in it since FOREVAH
[11:11] <bigjools> this inconsistency between our Storm and SQLObj objects is really annoying now
[11:11] <jtv> Stormicate getArchivesForDistribution?
[11:11] <bigjools> yeah that'd be nice
[11:12] <bigjools> but out of scope for this branch
[11:12] <bigjools> I need to get this shit working by Friday
[11:12] <jtv> Okay, then the idiomatic way of doing this nowadays is to fetch one arbitrary row and check if you get None.
[11:13] <jtv> The implementation there is still crap in that it still sorts the query, but that's not your fault and may go away at some point.
[11:18] <jtv> bigjools: then there's this in the test docstring: "It should only publish copy archives."  Come on, a bit more confidence!
[11:18] <jtv> Something like "In this mode, it only publishes copy archives."
[11:18] <bigjools> it's a unit test, not a doc test
[11:18] <bigjools> I am telling you what it's testing
[11:18] <bigjools> not what it will do
[11:18] <jtv> Good answer :)
[11:19] <bigjools> :)
[11:19] <jtv> I see now that the option name is much clearer in context.  So I withdraw my objection to that.
[11:20] <bigjools> good :)_
[11:20] <bigjools> brb in 5, I depserately need more coffee
[11:20] <jtv> you and me both, bro
[11:25] <bigjools> ah Java
[11:47] <jtv-afk> bigjools: did you find a more satisfactory solution for checking for an empty result?
[11:48] <bigjools> nope
[11:48] <bigjools> it's not the first time this came up
[11:50] <jtv> hmm... there is a __nonzero__ on the sqlobject compatibility wrapper
[11:50] <bigjools> yes, it's fucked
[11:50] <jtv> oh :)
[11:50] <bigjools> there's a bug about it
[11:51] <bigjools> get a nice traceback when using it
[11:51] <jtv> Then can I trouble you to make your comment a XXX, referring to either that bug or a new one for stormicating the query?
[11:52] <bigjools> bug 246200
[11:52] <mup> Bug #246200: SQLObjectResultSet.__nonzero__() implementation does not strip result ordering. <oops> <tech-debt> <Soyuz:New> <Storm:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/246200>
[11:52] <bigjools> sure :)
[11:52] <jtv> then with that, r=me
[11:53] <bigjools> grassy ass
[11:53] <bigjools> I just realised I need to tweak that script some more but I'll do a separate branch
[11:55] <jtv> de nutter
[13:14] <intellectronica> who wants to review a small and boring branch?
[13:15] <intellectronica> jtv-eat: if you're still reviewing when you're back maybe you can have a look? mp is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/use-max-heat/+merge/20054
[14:36] <al-maisan_> hello jtv-eat, you must be suffering withdrawal symptoms since you haven't reviewed Soyuz branches for a long time ;)
[14:36] <al-maisan_> Here's one to make your day: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~al-maisan/launchpad/oops-526969/+merge/20056
[14:47] <leonardr> intellectronica, i'm going to need yet another review of that launchpad integration branch
[14:48] <intellectronica> leonardr: hey, how about we trade reviews?
[14:48] <leonardr> intellectronica, sure
[14:48] <intellectronica> excellent
[14:49] <intellectronica> leonardr: here's mine: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/launchpad/use-max-heat/+merge/20054
[14:51] <intellectronica> leonardr: can you maybe prepare an inc. diff for your changes?
[14:52] <leonardr> intellectronica, i'm working on it
[14:52] <leonardr> i need a few minutes to write a new comment
[14:52] <al-maisan> intellectronica: maybe you should remove yourself from the queue then?
[14:55] <intellectronica> al-maisan: good point
[14:55] <intellectronica> leonardr: cool
[15:10] <leonardr> intellectronica: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpad/multiversion-integration/+merge/19346
[15:19] <leonardr> intellectronica: it seems like having a MAX_HEAT in bugtask.py would still be useful. you still use it in two different files
[15:20] <intellectronica> leonardr: r=me
[15:20] <leonardr> intellectronica: apart from that, r=me
[15:20] <intellectronica> leonardr: i use it in a test. i use the value as a default, but it will be gone with a following branch which will make sure we have max_heat populated
[15:21] <leonardr> intellectronica: oh, one other question. why can't the bugheatview be a view on the bugtask?
[15:21] <leonardr> (assuming views are desirable in general)
[15:21] <intellectronica> leonardr: it's just a case of yagni. it wasn't such a brilliant idea to use a view to begin with.
[15:22] <intellectronica> all we ever did with the view is initialize manually and call it
[15:22] <leonardr> ok. i don't like views so i approve
[15:23] <intellectronica> :)
[15:56] <jtv> al-maisan: your branch looks good, but one question: your tests do things to job.status to show how it affects dispatch_time_estimate_available, but it'd be nice to see buildstate affect it as well... is that in there somewhere?  If not, is it doable?
[15:58] <al-maisan> jtv: I can add a test that manipulates the buildstate as you suggested above
[15:59] <jtv> al-maisan: something simple would do.  I'm mostly worried about protecting my fascist reputation.  ;-)
[15:59] <al-maisan> :-)
[16:02] <al-maisan> jtv: actually there are quite a few pre-existing tests involving builds in states other than NEEDSBUILD in xx-build-record.txt
[16:03] <al-maisan> and they ascertain that no dispatch estimate is requested and/or shown on the +build page
[16:03] <jtv> al-maisan: then that answers my first question.  You're good to go.
[16:04] <jtv> (BTW the code is not just functionally better this way but the TAL is cleaner, too.  Me like.)
[16:04] <al-maisan> jtv: man, I love these "soft" fascists who even listen to what other people say ;)
[16:04] <al-maisan> jtv: thanks :)
[16:05] <jtv> al-maisan: careful now... there _will_ be a next review and you want me in a good mood.  :-)
[16:05] <al-maisan> oh-oh
[16:05] <al-maisan> sorry massa
[16:05] <al-maisan> ;)
[16:06] <jtv> al-maisan: btw if you request a "code" review (I set the type myself in this case) and set a commit message, you can combine the headless testing and the landing with a mere "./utilities/ec2 land <merge-proposal-url>"
[16:07] <al-maisan> jtv: great!
[16:07] <al-maisan> will try that
[16:08] <jtv> No need to spell out "[r=myfavoritereviewer][ui=thisisnotwindows][bug=123456][listening-to=Pet Shop Boys Best Slayer Covers] This branch fixes a bug."
[16:13] <al-maisan> jtv: very nice indeed.
[16:59] <bdmurray> could somebody review my branch for bug 527174?
[16:59] <mup> Bug #527174: logo_link missing from "team" object in API <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by brian-murray> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/527174>
[17:16] <bdmurray> al-maisan: ?
[17:17] <al-maisan> bdmurray: I am sorry but I am just about to finish the day.
[17:17] <al-maisan> jtv: are you still around?
[17:17] <jtv> al-maisan: yes
[17:17] <jtv> got another one?
[17:17] <al-maisan> bdmurray: has one ^^
[17:18] <al-maisan> Good night folks!
[17:23] <jtv> bdmurray: I'll get to it in a moment
[17:24] <jtv> bdmurray: can you put yourself on the queue?
[17:24] <bdmurray> jtv: okay, thanks
[17:24] <bdmurray> jtv: queue?
[17:25] <bdmurray> ah! that's not too complicated
[17:35] <jtv> bdmurray: wehre's your merge proposal?
[17:36] <bdmurray> jtv: apparently I missed that step - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/launchpad/api-export-person-logo_link/+merge/20074
[17:37] <jtv> bdmurray: there are no tests!
[17:37] <jtv> on call: jtv || reviewing: bdmurray || queue [] || This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com || https://code.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+activereviews
[17:38] <jtv> oh, I see it.
[17:40] <jtv> bdmurray: looks simple enough... can't think of anything that might go wrong, but who else did you discuss the change with?
[17:40] <jtv> (Sorry to be a stickler, but I'm suspicious of things that can't possibly go wrong :-)
[17:41] <bdmurray> jtv: I haven't discussed it with anyone.  Should I do that with someone on the registry team?  Additionally, are the steps to contribute to Launchpad detailed anywhere?
[17:42] <jtv> bdmurray: they should be somewhere on dev.launchpad.net.  We normally require a pre-implementation call where you discuss your approach with another developer as a basic sanity check.
[17:43] <jtv> You know, someone who might say "you can't do that!  Someone is relying on this method 1,000× per second and including an image makes it too slow!"
[17:43] <jtv> bdmurray: ah, found it... https://dev.launchpad.net/PatchSubmission
[17:44] <jtv> (This is tailored to outside contributors, of course)
[17:49] <jtv> Normally we also write cover letters that explain the change to the reviewer (and future historians), say which tests to run, and what "make lint" had to say about the branch.
[17:50] <bdmurray> I didn't see that in the wiki page.  This process seems really complicated to me.
[17:50] <jtv> It is.  We have to be careful with the codebase or things can go really horribly wrong.  But in this case tbh I can't think of any additional effort that might be useful.
[17:51] <jtv> Most changes aren't this easy, or they'd be riding along on the back of a larger branch.
[17:53] <jtv> bdmurray: I've approved it.
[17:53] <jtv> bdmurray: can you land it yourself or would you like me to do it for you?
[17:54] <bdmurray> jtv: okay, thanks.  What happens next then?  I'd like to run the ec2 test if possible - I was trying to set that up also.
[17:54] <jtv> bdmurray: several ways to do that.
[17:54] <jtv> When you've pushed all your changes, you can run "./utilities/ec2 test --headless"
[17:55] <bdmurray> right with -s "[r=jtv] ...?"
[17:55] <jtv> No, this is when you just want to run a test, before you've got approval to land.
[17:56] <jtv> It can be useful if you're expecting to wait a while before review, and you want to use the time to have EC2 figure out what tests you just broke.
[17:57] <jtv> Second, you can also test-and-land: "./utilities/ec2 test --headless -s '[r=jtv][ui=none][bug=1235] Frumbil the xeniogarb.'
[17:57] <jtv> That runs the tests and sends your branch off to pqm as soon as it's done.
[17:58] <jtv> But third, if you've met a few conditions, you can just "./utilities/ec2 land <URL to merge proposal>"
[17:58] <jtv> (Where --headless is implied)
[17:58] <jtv> This runs your tests, and if successful, composes the "[r=..." commit string and sends the branch to PQM for landing.
[17:59] <jtv> The conditions you need to meet are:
[17:59] <jtv>  * You must have an Approve vote on the mp.
[17:59] <jtv>  * The mp must be in Approved state.
[18:00] <jtv>  * The Approve vote must have a review type of "code"—leaving it blank won't do, so try to request this specific review type if you remember to.
[18:00] <jtv>  * The commit message on the MP must be set; write a short single-line description of the branch there, like I just did for you.

[18:06] <bdmurray> jtv: okay, thanks for all that information
[18:06] <jtv> bdmurray: no worries...  I think you have rights to land this; if not, let one of us know and we can do it for you.
[18:09] <bdmurray> jtv: okay, I've started the test and will let you / someone know
[18:09] <jtv> bdmurray: good luck, and thanks for the patch!
[18:10] <jtv> Doesn't always feel like people are grateful when you hit a process like this, I know.
[18:13] <henninge> jtv: I just pushed my pottery-to-slave branch. I thought you might be interested ... ;-)
[18:13] <henninge> jtv: bug I am also about to EOD, so we can discuss it in the morning.
[18:14] <jtv> henninge: cool
[18:14] <henninge> jtv: pbuilder was really helpful when trying it out.
[18:14] <jtv> henninge: what work does it take out of your hands?
[18:15] <henninge> jtv: it builds a base hardy (or whatever you ask) chroot, keeps it nicely in a tarball.
[18:16] <jtv> oh, nice!
[18:16] <henninge> jtv: I just go pbuilder --login and get a shell in the chroot.
[18:16] <jtv> very nice
[18:16] <henninge> after exit, all is cleaned up. All changes forgotten (unless you ask for it not to).
[18:19] <jtv> henninge: anyway, my OCR day is done.
[18:19] <henninge> jtv: see you tomorrow!
[18:19] <jtv> bis morgen!
[18:19] <henninge> ;-)
[18:20]  * henninge has to learn these things in Dutch.
[20:04] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, could you review this merge proposal, please? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/job-db-user/+merge/20081
[20:05] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: sure
[20:05] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, thanks.
[20:56] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: TwistedJobRunner.runFromSource() has an error_utility parameter that JobRunner.runFromSource() does not have, so I'm wondering why the dbuser parameter was added to JobRunner.runFromSource() despite that class ignoring that argument.
[20:57] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: it seems like it would be good for JobRunner.runFromSource() to at least warn the user when they are passing in an argument that is ignored.
[21:00] <abentley> I added the dbuser parameter to allow the JobRunners to support polymorphism.  Otherwise, we would have to switch how we called runFromSource according to the jobRunner class.
[21:02] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, we always pass in the dbuser argument, so warning the user would result in endless warnings.
[21:24] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: why wasn't the error_utility parameter added to JobRunner then?
[21:24] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, it's not currently used.
[21:25] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: but it seems like that would fall under the same polymorphism argument. All the JobRunner class' runFromSource() should have the same parameters.
[21:26] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, I don't thing that it is true for optional parameters.
[21:27] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, s/thing/think/
[21:28] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: I don't buy that. If someone is trying to call runFromSource() without checking whether the class supports the dbuser parameter, they could just as easily do that with the error_utility parameter. Otherwise, it will raise an exception when you pass in too many arguments.
[21:31] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, the difference is that dbuser is a mandatory parameter.  You need it for the TwistedJobRunner to work, which means you must supply it to all JobRunners.
[21:31] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, however, I can remove the error_utility parameter.  It just seems out of scope for the change I'm making.
[21:34] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: If you just add error_utility=None to JobRunner, it will be optional and the parameter lists will match, so you won't have to check which subclass of JobRunner you have before calling removeFromSource().
[21:34] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, I don't have to check which subclass of JobRunner I have anyhow!
[21:35] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, it's an unused parameter.
[21:36] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, there are no callsites that supply that parameter, so there are no callsites that care about whether it's supported.
[21:36] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: ok, that's fine too. I just didn't know if there were some callsites passing in an ignored error_utility, which would mean more work for you than a single line of code change.
[21:36] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: you read my mind
[21:37] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, I'm confused.  What would you like me to do.
[21:38] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: feel free to remove the error_utility. I just wanted the method parameters to match.
[21:39] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: the only other change I would like is some info about the dbuser parameter in the docstring about whether it is ignored or not.
[21:39] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: r=me
[21:39] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, roger wilco.
[21:48] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, changes pushed.
[21:49] <EdwinGrubbs> abentley: I don't need to see them. feel free to land it.
[21:49] <abentley> EdwinGrubbs, sure.  Was just letting you know.
[22:09] <jelmer__> jtv, hi


[06:04] <michielc> Hi there! I have an issue after installing Ubuntu Gnome.
[06:04] <michielc> After a few years of Ubuntu 12.04, yesterday I installed ubuntu gnome 14
[06:05] <michielc> When instering the live usb, my screen started to flicker badly, but after some minutes, I got the installation screen, and installed ubuntu gnome
[06:05] <michielc> *instering
[06:05] <michielc> *inserting...
[06:05] <michielc> Now, after the install, in like 50% of the cases, my computer boots normally. In the other 50% of the cases, the flickering is there again (which is resolved after some minutes).
[06:06] <michielc> Is this a known issue, and is there any way to solve this? (I suppose this is something about my graphics card?)
[06:07] <michielc> (I have a rather cheap Acer Aspire V3-551-... laptop)
[06:09] <michielc> To be clear: the flickering takes place while booting (after choosing ubuntu in grub and before i get the login screen
[06:51] <Kungr> does anyone know how to enable recursive search ubuntu-gnome?
[06:57] <Kungr> i run tha command gsettings set org.gnome.nautilus.preferences enable-recursive-search true
[07:12] <pr0metheu5> hey guys. I'm having trouble installing gnome-shell and have pastebins of the terminal output.
[07:12] <pr0metheu5> I'm hoping someone can take a look please?
[07:12] <pr0metheu5> http://pastebin.com/XEASXiVZ
[07:12] <pr0metheu5> I'm running Xubuntu 14.04
[08:05] <darkxst> michielc, I havent heard of that, though it does sound like a driver issue, what gpu do you have/
[08:05] <darkxst> ?
[08:07] <michielc> Sorry for my late response
[08:08] <michielc> I don't know exactly (and don't have my laptop with me), but i know it's AMD Radeon HD gpu
[08:11] <michielc> Because it's a cheap model I don't have a specific dedicated graphics card, just the AMD Radeon HD 7520G
[08:13] <darkxst> michielc, are you using the open source radeon driver or proprietary catalyst?
[08:13] <darkxst> probably worth trying the other from what you are using
[08:15] <michielc> The problem was there from the beginning (the moment I plugged in the live USB), so I guess I currently use the default drivers
[08:15] <michielc> I solved some graphical problems in the past by installing these catalyst drivers, so I should indeed give those a try
[08:16] <michielc> or are these catalyst drivers the default drivers?
[08:16] <darkxst> michielc, no, you have to install catalyst
[08:17] <michielc> alright, I'll give it a shot (I'm not sure if I can try it tonight), and I'll be back to let you know if the problems persist
[08:17] <michielc> Thanks for your advice :)
[15:34] <ceed^> I'm trying to ppa-purge the staging PPA since Evolution is currently quite broken. However, ppa-purge says it needs to remove evolution, gdm. gnome-shell and mutter which would break my system. Any ideas how I can do this, or do I have to reinstall?
[16:00] <hazeldev> hey guys I have a fresh, updated install of gnome 14.04 running on an acer thin client with a touchscreen.  Does gnome use caribou or onboard as its onscreen keyboard in ubuntu?  Enabling it in the accessibility menu doesn't work and I'm trying to find out where to start.
[19:58] <DASPRiD> so, i'm working on a wallpaper for the 14.10 contest… :D
[20:59] <DASPRiD> anyone in here who has some insight on the wallpaper contest?
[20:59] <DASPRiD> regarding the rules
[21:01] <Noskcaj> DASPRiD, what's your question about them?
[21:02] <DASPRiD> i've read that no branding assets like "ubuntu gnome" are allowed
[21:02] <DASPRiD> because of derivative distributions
[21:02] <DASPRiD> so basically one must not identify the wallpaper with ubuntu at call, corect?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> yep
[21:02] <DASPRiD> too bad, i had such a wonderful idea :(
[21:02] <DASPRiD> http://stuff.dasprids.de/screenshots/2014/07/24/222446.png
[21:03] <Noskcaj> I suggest you put that on gnome-look
[21:03] <DASPRiD> without the ubuntu logo, the gag doesn't really work (utopic unicorn)
[21:03] <Noskcaj> I think MLP isn't allowed on the default iso either
[21:04] <DASPRiD> it's at least not easy, copyright wise… at least gray zone
[21:05] <DASPRiD> ah well, I'll just put it on my dA account
[21:05] <DASPRiD> after i added some shading :)


[08:25] <arand> I've written a little something about setting up a serial console on a VM https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DraftKVMSerialConsole  Any opinions on where it would fit in the wiki?
[15:14] <arand> I've written a little something about setting up a serial console on a VM https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DraftKVMSerialConsole  Any opinions on where it would fit in the wiki?


[14:32] <tsdgeos> seb128: mterry says you may be the one to give https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/geonames/more_liberal_city_search/+merge/316102 a look?
[14:33] <mterry> Or at least assign someone  :)
[14:48] <seb128> tsdgeos, mterry, I assign mterry!
[14:48] <mterry> heh
[14:48] <mterry> I am probably qualified at this point
[14:48] <seb128> I can have a look as well
[14:49] <seb128> tsdgeos, mterry, the description is not clear on what that do
[14:50] <tsdgeos> seb128: read the commit message then
[14:50] <seb128> would typing "erlin" list "Berlin" as a result?
[14:50] <tsdgeos> yes
[14:50] <seb128> so -1
[14:50] <tsdgeos> well you lose
[14:50] <tsdgeos> since it's what design wants
[14:50] <seb128> I'm pretty sure it's not
[14:50] <seb128> we had that and it was listing too much results
[14:51] <seb128> need to find back the old bug from matthew though
[14:51] <tsdgeos> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1590462/comments/3
[14:51] <seb128> sure your bugs has examples where it makes sense
[14:51] <seb128> but it also generates noise
[14:51] <tsdgeos> i don't see how it generates noise
[14:51] <seb128> I think you provided design an incomplete picture
[14:52] <seb128> because you type like "don" and get London and that confuses people
[14:52] <seb128> because they want "DonSomething"
[14:52] <seb128> and don't get what London has to do with it or why it's proposed first
[14:52] <tsdgeos> you get london in like the 100 result
[14:53] <seb128> right
[14:53] <tsdgeos> if people is confused by that
[14:53] <tsdgeos> well yeah
[14:54] <tsdgeos> http://i.imgur.com/tQAuz9U.png
[14:55] <tsdgeos> erlin http://i.imgur.com/M5x4G1P.png
[14:55] <tsdgeos> honestly i don't see what's the problem with that
[14:57] <tsdgeos> but if you're going to block on that
[14:57] <tsdgeos> i can actually remove that part
[14:58] <tsdgeos> since what i mostly want is "Hague" to find "The Hague"
[15:01] <seb128> tsdgeos, mterry, read bug #1454186
[15:02] <tsdgeos> seb128: the complain is because the results are wrongly sorted
[15:02] <seb128> tsdgeos, but yeah, the "The Hague" case should work, I though it was already looking on full words matching, unsure about the "L'<something>"
[15:02] <tsdgeos> if the results were correctly sorted like they are for mine
[15:03] <tsdgeos> mzanetti would not have complained
[15:03] <seb128> that's your opinion
[15:03] <seb128> why didn't mpt suggest that the sorting should be fixed then?
[15:03] <tsdgeos> http://i.imgur.com/37jXd2U.png
[15:04] <seb128> the description states "Nobody would ever try to find any of the others by typing "ulm"."
[15:04] <tsdgeos> i don't know if you want we can throw the designers in a pit and see them fight forever
[15:04] <seb128> yes please
[15:04] <seb128> I do think that having a needlessly long list is detrimental
[15:04] <seb128> even if sorting helps it still isn't a clean UI
[15:05] <seb128> imho better to just list things that are relevant
[15:05] <seb128> the endless list leads to weird menu that go over screens etc
[15:54] <tsdgeos> seb128: updated
[18:37] <mpt> seb128, fixed :-)
[21:42] <seb128> mpt, thanks!


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[01:46] <tsimonq2> Ok, enough YouTube...
[01:47] <tsimonq2> Time to finally get this out the door
[02:15] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 503 for the week  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue503
[02:15] <tsimonq2> Oh I need to fix that
[02:15] <tsimonq2> Grrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:16] <tsimonq2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 503 for the weeks March 13 - 26, 2017 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue503
[02:16] <tsimonq2> I'll go with that ^
[02:23] <tsimonq2> Completely skipping forums, I have no access...
[02:47] <tsimonq2> So assuming I did everything right, with the exception of the forums (sorting that out), all good! \o/


 He got some older Christian Metal that we played on the radio show.
[02:42] <snap-l> Crucified, Believer, and Celldweller.
[02:48] <jrwren> i like celldweller.
[02:48] <jrwren> i had no idea that was christian
[02:49] <snap-l> Well, Circle of Dust was
[02:49] <snap-l> but like most Christian Artists, he got majorly fucked over by the music industry.
[02:49] <jrwren> i didnt know that was, nor that they were related
[02:49] <jrwren> like 16volt? :)
[02:49] <snap-l> Like just about every single musician out thee.
[02:50] <snap-l> I hear bands looking forward to getting signed, and I just shake my head
[02:50] <jrwren> especially with how easy it is self publish these days
[02:50] <snap-l> because it's just a matter of time
[02:50] <snap-l> jrwren: Absolutely
[02:50] <jrwren> i mean, 15+ yrs ago.... I get it.
[02:51] <jrwren> but now?  no way.
[02:51] <snap-l> I think what bands really want is exposure
[02:51] <snap-l> and someone to help foot the bill
[02:51] <snap-l> Which is why I do the show
[02:51] <jrwren> yup
[02:51] <snap-l> to help with the exposure
[02:51] <jrwren> and the labels NEVER actually help foot the bill.
[02:52] <snap-l> Oh hell no
[02:52] <jrwren> only the super naive ever actually believe that
[02:52] <jrwren> the thing that the labels have is connections. they have that networ.
[02:53] <jrwren> used to include record stores. now I guess it just includes local promoters and venues
[02:53] <snap-l> I think there's still labels that really believe they're helping artists
[02:54] <jrwren> some indies
[02:54] <snap-l> and some of them have nothing but good intentions (because they surely don't have good business sense)
[02:54] <jrwren> well you know local peeps. remember dave hedgie?
[02:54] <jrwren> fuk I hate that guy.
[02:54] <snap-l> name doesn't ring a bell
[02:54] <jrwren> he ended up working for Sony
[02:55] <jrwren> moved to NYC about 7 or so yrs ago
[02:55] <jrwren> but he was such a self centered POS of a human, he is exactly the kind of person that fits the bill for working for a record label
[02:55] <jrwren> and so he did.
[02:56] <jrwren> and so when he would sign bands or promote them or wahtever... oh the success!
[02:56] <jrwren> good intentions and no business sense sounds great.
[02:56] <jrwren> i'm all for small labels if it can help peeps.
[02:56] <jrwren> but I ralley against the majors.
[02:56] <snap-l> All the majors were small once
[02:56] <snap-l> unfortunately they're so far removed from those days.
[02:58] <jrwren> i used to get info from Bill Paskins, but since he closed up store and moved away I'm completely clueless about the industry.
[02:58] <jrwren> i've no idea what it is like now.
[02:58] <jrwren> to me, record stores died entirely 8 yrs ago when east alley closed :)
[02:59] <snap-l> Yeah, record stores aren't nearly as prevalent now
[03:01] <Wolfger> record stores still exist?
[03:01] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yep, there's several in the area
[03:01] <snap-l> Flipside, Solo
[03:01] <Wolfger> I mean, aside from as-a-dept-inside-Best-Buy
[03:02] <Wolfger> Huh. Never heard of them
[03:02] <snap-l> Solo is on Woodward
[03:02] <snap-l> and Flipside is in Clawson on 14 mile / Main
[03:02] <_stink_> snap-l: how are those places?  i drive past them all the time
[03:02] <snap-l> Flipside is decent
[03:03] <Wolfger> That's too far West for me. May as well be GR. :-p
[03:03] <snap-l> Seems to be mostly about the collectibles than actual music selection
[03:03] <snap-l> Oh, and UHF
[03:03] <snap-l> but that's more about vinyl records
[03:03] <snap-l> but there's a metalhead on staff there that keeps me opening my wallet
[03:03] <_stink_> heh
[03:03] <snap-l> Haven't been in Solo, but I keep driving by it
[03:04] <snap-l> I miss Rockabillys. Went in there just as they were starting closing down
[03:04] <snap-l> And I miss Holland CD, only because I moved away from Holland after college
[03:11] <jrwren> how is that west? where are you? sarnia?
[03:11] <Wolfger> jrwren: just about. I live in New Baltimore
[03:11] <jrwren> oh, lol, yup, that is a trek.
[03:11] <Wolfger> and with that... off to bed. Night all.
[03:11] <jrwren> i was in NB on xmas.... or drove through it
[03:12] <snap-l> later, Wolfger
[03:12] <snap-l> Sheesh, you guys and your "distance"
[03:25] <snap-l> This is great
[03:25] <snap-l> got my eye care coverate from ALU
[03:25] <snap-l> starts: 1/1/2012
[03:26] <snap-l> Last day of ALU: 1/1/2012. ;)
[03:31] <_stink_> act quickly!
[03:31] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[12:12] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:24] <rick_h__> morning
[12:36] <Wolfger> total suckage: "Shareware/Freeware, Technical/Business Forums Blocked by URL Category Filter Database "
[12:36] <Wolfger> oh and good morning
[12:37] <rick_h__> what forums are these?
[12:37] <Wolfger> linuxbsdos.com
[12:38] <Wolfger> was following a story link from a Linux Today e-mail
[12:38] <rick_h__> url?
[12:39] <Wolfger> I just find it disturbing that such a category exists in the Chrysler blocked sites list
[12:40] <snap-l> Wolfger: I think they subscribe to a service for those
[12:41] <snap-l> it's to protect the company from "unlicensed" software.
[12:41] <Wolfger> McAfee
[12:41] <snap-l> Yeah, apparently you have the Great Firewall package.
[12:44] <Wolfger> it's not so great, really :-p
[13:20] <rick_h__> well, it was a good ride, but finally had to cave and get a Oreilly DoD
[13:22] <Wolfger> Really? The API book today?
[13:22] <brousch> you bought IronRuby?
[13:25] <Wolfger> I thought the API book looked interesting until I read the description. Too management-oriented
[13:26] <Wolfger> AskUbuntu drives me crazy with all the "I know it's easy to do from a command line, but how can I do it from a GUI app?" questions... http://askubuntu.com/questions/10712/how-do-i-know-if-i-am-running-32-bit-or-64-bit-ubuntu-through-a-gui
[13:27] <brousch> typing is hard. let's go clicking
[13:31] <tjagoda> Brousch will make me rich with his trademarked bumpersticker one-liners.
[13:32] <brousch> that's more like a laptop sticker than a bumper sticker
[13:32] <brousch> use a green, monospace font
[14:08] <tjagoda> awesome
[14:08] <tjagoda> he didn't demand any share of the profits
[14:08]  * tjagoda monetizes
[14:13] <brousch> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png
[14:13] <brousch> enjoy
[14:13]  * rick_h__ hangs his head
[14:14] <brousch> something wrong with it?
[14:14] <brousch> maybe the spacing between rows?
[14:15] <brousch> that'll give you a 3" sticker
[14:17] <snap-l> needs a screen font
[14:25] <brousch> i guess i have no idea what that font would be
[14:26] <brousch> i used courier new, which is the crustiest old font i could think of
[14:27] <rick_h__> dejavu mono
[14:27] <rick_h__> ?
[14:28] <brousch> looks like it should be just Courier
[14:34] <tjagoda> lol
[14:40] <brousch> slight difference using Courier http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png
[14:41] <snap-l> I have some blocky fonts at home.
[14:43] <brousch> here we go http://sensi.org/~svo/glasstty/
[14:53] <brousch> now it's hawt file:///home/ben/Dropbox/Logos/Command Line Sticker/command_line_3in.png
[14:53] <snap-l> erm... file link? :)
[14:54] <brousch> doh
[14:56] <brousch> same old link, but now i need to fix the cursor
[15:02] <Wolfger> brousch: ++
[15:04] <Wolfger> Need some electronics in the shirt so that the square cursor blinks. :-)
[15:04] <Wolfger> That could be a hot ThinkGeek item
[15:04] <_stink_> srsly
[15:05] <rick_h__> *sigh*
[15:05] <rick_h__> it needs to go the other way around
[15:05] <snap-l> heh
[15:05] <rick_h__> "Finding options is hard...let's man it"
[15:05] <rick_h__> and the $ needs to be a #
[15:06] <rick_h__> zsh ftw!
[15:06] <Wolfger> rick_h__: then it would lose sarcasm/parody points
[15:06] <_stink_> i can see a need for both
[15:08] <rick_h__> ok, this api book sucks
[15:09] <rick_h__> fortunately I had an error on my attempt to buy it and got it for $2 off
[15:11] <snap-l> rick_h__: yeah, it looks like the book to give to your VP, not your coders.
[15:11] <Wolfger> exactly
[15:12] <rick_h__> well it has good headings "security" "protecting your api"
[15:12] <rick_h__> but completely lacks the answer, just "yea...people can try to upload large payloads."
[15:13] <rick_h__> and ... ugh
[15:13] <rick_h__> for the python script lovers out there http://www.nicosphere.net/clint-command-line-library-for-python/
[15:17] <snap-l> hm, that's interesting.
[15:30] <brousch> damn, that cursor was hard http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png
[15:30] <brousch> still not quite right
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> ...
[15:51] <tjagoda> awesome
[15:51] <tjagoda> Brousch does all the work
[15:51] <tjagoda> I just ship stickers to tens of open source geeks
[15:51] <tjagoda> I like this business model
[15:53] <Wolfger> eliminate bottom 2 rows of cursor?
[15:53] <brousch> you can ship and do accounting
[15:53] <brousch> Wolfger: it didn't go down to the lower case?
[15:54] <Wolfger> I don't think so
[15:54] <Wolfger> not sure
[15:54] <tjagoda> Is $2 a good market price for a novelty sticker of respectable quality?
[15:55] <tjagoda> If so, we only need like a million people to buy one, and we shall be rich.
[15:55] <_stink_> it worked for angry birds.
[15:55] <Wolfger> shockingly enough, I think Angry Birds has a larger market than this does...
[15:55] <tjagoda> Once the brand is established we will expand into mug sales. =(
[15:58] <brousch> snap-l is the one with all the crusty old computers sitting around. can't you fire one up and look?
[16:01] <brousch> this shows it as going to the lowercase bottom and above the upper case top. it's also solid. http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Hamlet-and-DEC.png
[16:02] <brousch> i think the font is too sparse
[16:03] <brousch> i don't know
[16:04] <snap-l> the font is about right
[16:18] <tjagoda> I used that as my terminal font for ages in gnome
[16:27] <snap-l> Yeah, although it's a little hard to read at smaller resolutions
[16:53] <brousch> is mdlug the same as mug?
[16:54] <rick_h__> brousch: no, definitely not
[16:55] <snap-l> mdlug is the Metro Detroit LUG
[16:56] <brousch> i thought that's what mug covered
[16:57] <brousch> or are you like us with a west MI lug and a GR lug?
[17:26] <snap-l> brousch: It's a somewhat overlapping group
[17:27] <snap-l> though MUG is the granddaddy, since it pre-dates Linux
[17:28] <snap-l> Was formed in 1986, covers UNIX(tm)
[18:05] <brousch> rick_h_: did you happen to go to karl swedberg's talk at dev day detroit? http://pres.learningjquery.com/1devday2/
[18:05] <rick_h__> brousch: no, I had no interest
[18:05] <brousch> no interest in jquery?
[18:05] <rick_h__> nope
[18:06] <rick_h__> I've moved on, done with it. It's good for some uses, but nothing I need for now
[18:06] <brousch> damn hipsters
[18:06] <rick_h__> :)
[18:06] <rick_h__> jquery is good in small batches, but I don't like it for real web apps
[18:07] <rick_h__> bookie is in slow motion because I've ported all the JS from jquery to YUI
[18:07] <rick_h__> MUCH MUCH happier now
[18:07] <brousch> did any of you non-hipsters go?
[18:07] <rick_h__> no, I think most of us went to other talks
[18:11] <rick_h__> brousch: so is there a question in there?
[18:11] <rick_h__> looking at the slides it seems your normal "don't abuse jquery/js" stuff
[18:11] <brousch> next grwebdev is all about jquery. i asked swedberg to speak and he wants to give that same talk
[18:11] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha
[18:13] <brousch> hoping to also get jonathan chaffer
[18:13] <Wolfger> call him back and say, "Thanks, but no thanks.
[18:13] <brousch> what is this "call" thing you speak of?
[18:13] <rick_h__> heh, he knows my thoughts. I had a bit of a rant against jquery talking with him and snap-l and another guy
[18:13] <brousch> is that like those cassettes you used to put in boomboxes?
[18:13] <rick_h__> this was before I realized who he was
[18:14] <rick_h__> which led to a very interesting follow up conversation
[18:14] <Wolfger> brousch: "Call" is what you do when you Skype somebody
[18:14] <Wolfger> :-p
[18:14] <brousch> rick_h_: nice
[18:14] <snap-l> brousch: Frankly, he's a good speaker, and passionate, so if he wants to give the same talk, let him. :)
[18:14] <brousch> did you convince him jquery is dead?
[18:15] <rick_h__> brousch: ummm, no
[18:15] <rick_h__> but I think we were kind of close on more points than it seemed
[18:15] <snap-l> I think rick_h__ and Karl agreed to disagree
[18:15] <brousch> snap-l: i've met him several times and he presented about 9 months ago. i was mostly looking for opnions on the specific talk
[18:15] <snap-l> yeah, you weren't too far off the mark
[18:15] <rick_h__> just remember, I'm a bitter crank sick of people that can't think for themselves
[18:15] <rick_h__> jquery loves to open a set of tools to people that can't think for themselves :)
[18:16] <snap-l> rick_h__ is a two year old always asking WHY
[18:16] <snap-l> WHY are you using jQuery?
[18:16] <brousch> because karl told me to!
[18:16] <snap-l> WHY haven't you looked at other tools that may be more appropriate
[18:16] <snap-l> WHY is the sky blue, when I think it should be AMBER!
[18:17] <brousch> the interwebs say all other suck
[18:17] <brousch> rick_h_: come give a 15 minute talk on why jquery is dead
[18:17] <snap-l> 15 minute?
[18:17] <snap-l> Surely you jest.
[18:18] <snap-l> That's like asking Stephen King to write a short story.
[18:18] <brousch> usually we have four 15-20min talks on the topic
[18:18] <snap-l> What's the current hotness for presentations?
[18:18] <brousch> eh?
[18:19] <snap-l> If I were to give a 5-10 minute talk at my local user group about a command, what would I use to present it?
[18:19] <brousch> the short talks mean less pressure on each presenter, less prep time, more variety if one of them sucks
[18:19] <snap-l> I'm hijacking the conversation for a sec. ;)
[18:19] <brousch> ah
[18:19] <brousch> that apple presentation thing
[18:19] <snap-l> Keynote is right out
[18:20] <brousch> i see that, PDF, or openoffice presenter
[18:20] <brousch> or various ruby-based html5 things
[18:20] <rick_h_droid> rst plus rdt2pdf
[18:21] <rick_h_droid> python ftw
[18:21] <brousch> i like rst2pdf
[18:21] <snap-l> What about landslide?
[18:21] <brousch> Landslidewww.landslide.com/Looking for a Social CRM solution?
[18:21] <rick_h_droid> doesn't work with presentation remotes :(
[18:21] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Ah, that's good to know if I ever decide to use a remote. ;)
[18:23] <brousch> i don't like the openoffice thing. it always frustrates me when making slides
[18:23] <brousch> rst2pdf is good, unless you have animated gifs. all good presentations have animated gifs
[18:25]  * rick_h__ disagrees, but will leave it alone
[18:25] <snap-l> hah
[18:26] <brousch> :-D
[18:34] <mydogsnameisrudy> to stinking hot out
[18:40] <snap-l> Eh?
[18:41] <snap-l>    Temperature: 48.9 F (9.4 C)
[18:41] <snap-l> That doesn't seem hot to me
[18:41] <rick_h__> yep, but warm enough that no gym today for me...bike ride it is
[18:42] <snap-l> rick_h__: Ah, nice.
[18:42] <brousch> in the dark?
[18:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> its not making ice so it sucks
[19:03]  * Wolfger looks forward to another week or so of "sucky" weather.
[19:04] <snap-l> Yeah, me too
[19:04] <Wolfger> above freezing every day for as far out as WeatherSpark forecasts :-)
[19:05] <Wolfger> Global Warming? Bring it on!
[19:05] <Wolfger> I should go start my SUV now and let it idle until quitting time
[19:39] <tjagoda> I dont understand what happened to winter
[19:39] <tjagoda> =(
[19:40] <brousch> we killed it
[19:40] <brousch> good riddance
[19:41] <jjesse> its cold in northern wisconsin still
[19:41] <jjesse> 30 degrees?
[19:41] <jjesse> and 4 inches of snow on the ground
[19:41] <jjesse> which everyone considered warm here
[19:42] <greg-g> they grow them right in Wausau (that's where my grandparents lived)
[19:43] <jjesse> there is a pretty decent microbrew here
[19:43] <jjesse> red eye breweing
[20:08] <tjagoda> I have been to Wasau
[20:08] <tjagoda> More aptly, through it
[20:08] <tjagoda> Fly into CWA when I need to go to wisconsin for work


[02:13] <Riddell> stdin: uploaded kdeplasmoids and kdebase-kde4 to kubuntu-members-kde4
[02:22] <Riddell> stdin: ah, you already did kdebase-kde4, groovy
[03:23] <jjesse> what is the current state of the kde4 ppa?
[03:23] <jjesse> for hardy?
[03:38] <jjesse> hrmm still having problems with kdebase-workspace-data
[04:42] <nixternal> jjesse: you still have problems with your wifi?
[04:43] <nixternal> I got the new books tonight btw, did you get yours?
[05:05] <yuriy> Riddell: in light of recent blog arguments, perhaps it would be good to make the beta announcements more clear that these packages are for testing and such?
[07:54] <allee> mhmm ... libkipi0 conflicting with libkipi5 is not a good idea.  Uninstalls digikam, kphotoalbum that have no useable KDE4 port yet.  As kipiplugins of kde3/4 are in different dirs I don't mostly sure that there will be no problem with libkipi0 and 5 both installed
[08:07] <Arby> morning
[08:20] <\sh> moins
[08:21] <\sh> does anyone have problems show menu texts in qt4-designer?
[08:21] <\sh> with kde4.1beta1 or beta2?
[08:55] <Nightrose> hmmm lots of plasmoids missing after the upgrade - are they not packaged yet?
[08:57] <\sh> Nightrose: not build eventually
[08:58] <\sh> kdepim is missing too :)
[08:58] <Nightrose> hmmm and I don't seem to have any audio backend in phonon
[08:58] <serzholino> libkipi5 conflicts with libipi0, requiring to uninstall digikam
[08:59] <serzholino> is Is really necessary?
[08:59] <serzholino> *is it
[09:16] <Nightrose> Riddell: kdeplasmoids is still missing a few plasmoids - are you aware of that? folderview, twitter and the dictionary are the ones I spotted so far
[09:16] <stdin> serzholino: ~ppa2 fixes that, should be available for i386 now
[09:17] <stdin> amd64 is still queued
[09:17] <serzholino> thanks a lot, stdin :)
[10:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: folderview is in kdebase, twitter and dict didn't compile (needed headers which plasma didn't install)
[10:30] <Nightrose> Riddell: strange... - i have kdebase-kde4 .83 ~ppa4 and there is no folderview in my add applets dialogue
[10:31] <Riddell> Nightrose: try kdebase-plasma
[10:32] <Nightrose> k
[10:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: no package kdebase-plasma
[10:33] <Nightrose> i already have kdeplasmoids installed
[10:34] <Nightrose> stdin: thanks for the phonon update - will try
[10:36] <Riddell> oh, hmm, stdin's package needs updated then
[10:39] <fishy-0> Is there a ubuntu help channel?
[10:39] <Riddell> #ubuntu
[10:39] <fishy-0> thanks!
[10:44] <Nightrose> stdin: latest packages give me a backend but still no sound :/
[10:48] <\sh> Riddell: do you think this could be the default desktop launchpad client for kubuntu? http://leonov.tv/content/leonov-with-mdi-layoutbling-bling ? :)
[10:49] <Nightrose> is there any other? ;-)
[10:50] <Nightrose> \sh: packages availible yet?
[10:51] <\sh> Nightrose: no...development tarballs on sunday;)
[10:53] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[11:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you give back kdeutils?
[12:24] <alleeHol> Nightrose: not sure if this is your prob: I had no sound too last night with 4.0.83 pkgs. I check as far as: phonon used new gst and no gst-plugins were installed during the upgrade to beta2 pkgs.  had no internet at that time to have not checked it that's all to fix sound
[12:26] <Nightrose> alleeHol: i installed the gstreamer backend with the last updates a few hours ago but I still get no sound :/
[12:26] <Nightrose> but at least a backend in phonon's settings
[12:26] <alleeHol> Nightrose: check what gst plugins pkg are install.  gstreamer alone is helpless AFAIU
[12:27] <Nightrose> alleeHol: ok will try thanks
[12:29] <Nightrose> alleeHol: you might be on to something... don't seem to have any installed
[12:31] <Nightrose> alleeHol: any recomendation which package i should install?
[12:43] <alleeHol> Nightrose: first the good then the ugly then if you like bad I assume.
[12:43]  * alleeHol never really worked with gst before too ;)
[12:44] <alleeHol> Nightrose: I've to prepare computers for delivery in chile.  Later I may have myself time to try ...
[12:45] <Nightrose> alleeHol: no problem - I will test some here - thanks for your tip
[13:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks already given back
[13:04] <Hobbsee> oh, it's in depwait, and i changed the script back to pitti's version
[13:09] <Riddell> hi Xand3r, did you get to look at akode?
[13:11] <Xand3r> Riddell: no sorry, i had no time, and now i have no time too, sorry, maybe tomorrow or the day after, by the way, is this package good for beginers?
[13:13] <Riddell> Xand3r: no problem, I'll try and do it then, it should be done before import freeze tomorrow
[13:15] <stdin> Nightrose: the phonon package is the one from intrepid
[13:15] <Nightrose> stdin: meaning? it will not work?
[13:15] <stdin> Nightrose: meaning, I have no clue :)
[13:15] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:16] <Nightrose> well I wonder why the xine backend is gone
[13:16] <Nightrose> is that intentional?
[13:16] <stdin> dunno, the gstreamer backend should be installed anyway, but it's not showing up
[13:17] <Nightrose> well it is showing in the settings now here
[13:17] <Nightrose> after the last update
[13:17] <stdin> mine still isn't, but then I haven't been brave enough to logout/in yet
[13:17] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:18] <Nightrose> you can do it! :P
[13:20] <jussi01> hey Nightrose
[13:20] <Nightrose> hey jussi01 :)
[13:20] <Riddell> Nightrose: xine backend should be part of kdebase-runtime
[13:20] <Riddell> intrepid has it make a phonon-backend-xine package
[13:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: kdebase-runtime is installed :/
[13:23] <stdin> probably wasn't installed into the deb
[13:24] <Nightrose> hmmm
[13:28] <stdin> just have to add usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/phonon_xine.so and usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/phononbackends/xine.desktop
[13:31] <seele> yuriy: *sigh* i didn't even have specifically kubuntu in mind when i wrote that.  suse releases beta packages as well but of course they're infallible
[13:39] <ScottK> No.  They've just patched out all the interesting functions.
[13:41] <Hobbsee> bah
[13:41] <Hobbsee> why do i need a whole bunch of kde stuff, just for konversation?
[13:41] <Hobbsee> oh, ther'es akregator too
[13:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that can't be right
[13:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: recommends by default?
[13:42] <Jucato> ah probably :/
[14:22] <Nightrose> wohooooo
[14:22]  * Nightrose hugs stdin
[14:23] <Nightrose> I have sound!
[14:23] <Nightrose> thanks :)
[14:23] <stdin> :)
[14:24] <Nightrose> ewwwww but now I can hear all the new sounds... :P
[14:24] <Nightrose> wonder who had the great idea to add a sound effect when opening krunner
[14:25] <Nightrose> hmm or not...
[14:25] <stdin> let me guess, it's a "woosh!" sound?
[14:25] <Nightrose> sound everytime a window pops up
[14:25] <Nightrose> more of a "ding"
[14:25] <stdin> Riddell: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.1beta2.php says "KDE 4.1 Beta 1 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu 8.04, the Hardy Heron." in the first paragraph
[14:26] <stdin> should say "Beta 2"
[14:26]  * stdin hates uploading the kdeartwork package
[14:27] <stdin> all 42MB of it
[14:27] <Nightrose> bah this sound is so irritating..  /me turns it off
[14:27] <Riddell> stdin: fixed (pending cache)
[14:28] <Riddell> stdin: it's not as bad a language packs..
[14:29] <stdin> true
[14:29] <stdin> but now I have lag of 5s :p
[14:35] <Nightrose> in case someone is wondering: it was "information message" in kde system notification that made this nice beep on opening krunner
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Yay, gstreamer phonon backend
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Should stop the xine-induced knotify memory leak
[15:14] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   akonadi-server htdig kde-icons-oxygen kdebase-runtime
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-runtime-data-common
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 khelpcenter4
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   libakonadiprivate0 libclucene0ldbl libgif4 libkdepim4 liblockfile1
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   libphonon4 libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-network libqt4-opengl
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal0 librdf0 libsoprano4
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libstrigiqtdbusclient0 lockfile-progs phonon
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   phonon-backend-gstreamer pmount qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   soprano-daemon
[15:14] <Hobbsee> The following packages will be upgraded:
[15:14] <Hobbsee>   akregator
[15:14] <Hobbsee> 1 upgraded, 46 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> recommends, i hate you.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> oh wait, that's the new version of it.
[15:16]  * Hobbsee removes all of kde3.
[15:21] <Hobbsee> oh, grrr.
[15:21] <Hobbsee> and this has no icon, for one thing.
[15:29] <Hobbsee> and doesn't find my feeds at all.  yet i can't go back to the old version to export them :(
[15:30] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you have a backup of the xml (or is it opml?) file?
[15:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: nope.
[15:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the two that i do have, it doesn't load in.
[15:30]  * Hobbsee downgrades back to the kde3 version
[15:31] <Jucato> how are you doing it? importing or just copying into ~/.kde4/share/apps/ ?
[15:31] <Hobbsee> both
[15:31] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why it didn't work
[15:32] <Jucato> me too :(
[15:34]  * Hobbsee beats this with a stick.
[15:34] <Hobbsee> apt really isn't designed for mass-downgrading, it appears.
[15:34] <Hobbsee> or at least, dpkg isn't.
[15:35] <Hobbsee> \o/ there's the old kde3 version back
[15:38] <Jucato> and it works?
[15:40] <Hobbsee> yep
[15:40] <Hobbsee> fits in better with gnome, too.  much better.
[15:40] <Jucato> lol
[15:43]  * nixternal is using gnome right now
[15:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: another traitor.  but it's better than vista.
[15:49]  * Jucato hides his XP...
[15:50] <seele> \sh: do you have a ppa of leonov?  i've been looking at the screenshots but i'm strill having a hard time figuring out how to do certain tasks in it.  it might be because i'm not so good with launchpad though
[15:51] <\sh> seele: no..but you can bzr pull | branch it from lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style :)
[15:53] <\sh> seele: hopefully I find the time to prepare packages next week (we need still to do some python distutils magic for the source :))
[15:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: not traiting, just using gnome until I can build out KDE 4 on this work lappy
[15:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:57] <nixternal> I need some eye candy now because KDE 4 has spoiled me
[15:57] <nixternal> and Kubuntu + Compiz == major suckage
[15:57] <nixternal> and I am using Intel, but Ubuntu + Compiz == somewhat niceness, but not near KDE 4 goodness :)
[15:58] <seele> \sh: typo in your README?  should  # apt-get bzr bzrtools be # apt-get install bzr bzrtools?
[16:00] <\sh> seele: yay...yes :)
[16:00] <\sh> seele: fixed
[16:02] <seele> hrm
[16:02] <seele> Import Error: No module named mainTabPersonalBugReports
[16:03] <seele> i'm guessing that i'm missing something, but i dont know how to fix that
[16:03] <seele> i just follow instructions
[16:04] <\sh> make
[16:04] <Riddell> nixternal: how well does kwin compositing work for you in 4.1 beta 2?
[16:05] <seele> \sh: you should add that to your instructions :)
[16:05] <\sh> seele: yes :)
[16:06] <yuriy> hello from USENIX
[16:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug #220664 needs sponsoring please :)
[16:06] <Riddell> yuriy: what's usenix?
[16:07]  * \sh grabs another coffee
[16:07] <seele> Riddell: big unix conf
[16:07] <yuriy> Riddell: http://usenix.org/about/
[16:08] <seele> yuriy: i hope you got the student rate
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's just for hardy?
[16:08] <yuriy> seele: probably. university's paying for it
[16:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: intrepid, I recreated the debdiff for intrepid's needs
[16:10] <seele> \sh: hmm.. you want bugs?  crashed on incorrect password
[16:11] <\sh> seele: known :) we changed the bug handling today ;)
[16:11] <seele> ah ok, hehe
[16:12] <\sh> seele: the exception handling to be more precise ;)
[16:13] <seele> \sh: so as for what you could put on your toolbar, i think fetching bugs and toggling the personal bug page panel would be useful
[16:13] <seele> i don't normally recommend putting a quit button on there though
[16:14] <\sh> seele: yeah...I just need some nice icons for the actions...that's why I'm hiding those actions ;)
[16:14] <\sh> from the toolbar ;)
[16:14] <seele> ok
[16:15] <seele> i have bugs on my launchpad page but nothing is showing up in leonov.  should i assume it's just not working yet or are they not the same thing?
[16:15] <\sh> seele: if you know somebody who is good in things like designing good oxygen icons please send him/her to #leonov :)
[16:15] <seele> when i think of my personal bug page, i think of this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~celeste
[16:16] <\sh> seele: you are logged in with your lp user login id? (the email address) and your password, right?
[16:16] <seele> for fetch bugs, you could probably use one of the download icons
[16:16] <seele> yep
[16:16] <\sh> seele: start leonov.py with the "-d" switch to see what the debug output is spitting out...
[16:16] <seele> ok, mom
[16:16] <seele> instead of -f?
[16:17] <\sh> no ... python ./leonov.py -f kde -d
[16:17] <\sh> or just python ./leonov.py -d ;) kde is the default
[16:17] <\sh> it also checks your $DESKTOP_SESSION ;)
[16:18] <nixternal> Riddell: have tried beta 2 yet
[16:18] <seele> ah, there we go.  i wonder if i just didn't notice the tree widget change
[16:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 241617 - should I provide a transitional package or just change the binary name?
[16:18] <apachelogger> for the PPA that is
[16:19] <\sh> seele: yeah the "+" icon in the oxy style treewidget is not as good as in plastique
[16:19] <seele> \sh: ok, so i have my bugs.  how do i get them to show up in Basic Information?
[16:19] <\sh> seele: double click on one :)
[16:19] <seele> \sh: i tried clicking, double clicking, dragging... nothing's happening
[16:20] <\sh> seele: it takes some time...that's LP :(
[16:20] <seele> i have a progressbar in my statusbar that says 75%
[16:20] <\sh> and html parsing
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded your first one
[16:20] <\sh> seele: which branch did you use?
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't follow what's happening on bug 241617
[16:21] <\sh> lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style ? the progressbar is not in use right now
[16:21] <seele> oh, that's the problem.  i followed the instructions and they said only leonov
[16:22] <\sh> seele: use the  lp:~shermann/leonov/leonov-kde-mdi-style branch :)
[16:22] <seele> yep.. on it
[16:22] <seele> do i have to link the launchpad bugs again?
[16:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks ... as for 241617: I just digged up the answer myself :)
[16:23] <\sh> seele: if the link is not there anymore, yes...if it's still there, no :)
[16:23] <apachelogger> woah, digged is pretty wrong
[16:23]  * apachelogger needs coffee
[16:24] <seele> ah hah.. cool
[16:25] <\sh> that sounds happy :)
[16:25] <seele> \sh: the personal tasks pane should be on the left.  youre trying to create a workflow with selecting a bug and then viewing details.  with the pane on the right it feels like you are moving backwards
[16:26] <seele> i tried dragging it to the left and pinning it, but it just went back to the right so i guess you cant do it that way
[16:26] <\sh> seele: you can...
[16:26] <seele> bug 203690
[16:27] <seele> i thought tonio fixed that
[16:27] <\sh> seele: you need to move the mouse cursor a bit down the left window border until it opens the dock area...
[16:27] <seele> \sh: ah, i see.  it is easier to do when you are in window mode instead of tab mode
[16:28] <seele> \sh: anyway.. that position should be default imo
[16:28] <\sh> seele: yeah...fixed that :)
[16:29] <\sh> seele: this behaviour of the dock area is bugging me too..I can't change it it's somewhere hidden in the deep qt tree ;)
[16:30] <\sh> seele: but it saves the position of the dock widget for the next time :)
[16:31] <seele> \sh: what is the difference between Personal Tasks and Tasklist of $name?
[16:31] <\sh> seele: the URL to fetch ;)
[16:31] <seele> right.. but what is the difference in content?
[16:32] <\sh> seele: when you have your bugreport open, and click on "show reporters task list" and "reporter != you" it shows the contents of the bugs of the reporter
[16:32] <seele> i got a bunch of page errors so nothing populated.  but i dont have a lot of LP activity so i dont know if it broke or if it was debugging
[16:32] <seele> ooooh ok
[16:33] <\sh> seele: e.g. subscribe to bug #239140
[16:34] <\sh> seele: I reported the bug, if you "Fetch BUgs" again for your personal task list, it shows the bug under "subscribed"...when you open the bug report, and click on the "Show reporters tasks" you can examine my tasks :)
[16:35] <seele> right
[16:35] <seele> what are some of the things you would need the reporter's tasks for?
[16:36] <\sh> seele: curiousity , eventually to check my students bugs etc.
[16:37] <seele> are bugs called tasks in launchpad?  or can you create tasks in addition to bugs?
[16:38] <\sh> seele: all "bugreports" are named "Tasks" internally
[16:38] <seele> ok, so it's launchpad jargon
[16:38] <seele> is this all read-only so far?  i dont see any edit functions
[16:39] <\sh> seele: because you can have a report for several tasks (in upstream projects, distro tasks, and as well on packages in distros) everything is a task
[16:39] <\sh> seele: right now, we didn't implement the "commit" stuff...this will be started next week :)
[16:39] <seele> ok
[16:39] <seele> some styleguide stuff i'm noticing
[16:39] <\sh> seele: that's why I'm
[16:40] <seele> labels shoudl be right aligned, so report no. summary, and reporter shoul be flush against their text widgets
[16:40] <\sh> interested to hear your opinion to some UI stuff...being a dev and a LP user, I style the UI for "my needs" and I need people who are objective ;)
[16:40] <seele> i'll have to learn more about this other people's tasklist thing.  i think the button might not be in the right place
[16:41] <seele> report number and report date seem like they should go together
[16:41] <seele> and then you could put the get tasklist button near the report name so they are associated together
[16:41] <seele> i'll have to check the guidelines, but i think text that can never be edited (e.g. report no.) should be text in the pane and not in a non-editable widget
[16:42] <seele> so report no. summary, date, and reporter would be regular text, not in text boxes.  otherwise it looks like you can edit them
[16:42] <\sh> seele: can you note all that down in a bug^Wtask report on launchpad.net/leonov ? :)
[16:42] <seele> yeah sure
[16:43] <seele> do you want one big bug report for ui stuff or individual ones for each issue?
[16:43] <\sh> seele: do as you like :)
[16:43] <seele> one report it is! hehe
[16:44] <\sh> seele: when you want, attach some mockups (hand drawings or whatever) to the report too :) the same we have to do with the gtk frontend..
[16:45] <seele> ok.  i can work on mockups later tonight.  i should be working right now, but the project i have today is terribly boring
[16:45] <\sh> seele: the intention is: we want to make it right :)
[16:46] <\sh> seele: and it's quite difficult to find people knowledgable in UI style and UI usability :)
[16:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: going to find time for filelight before import freeze tomorrow?
[16:50] <apachelogger> yes
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I tried uploading 2 weeks ago
[16:51] <apachelogger> the package got still rejected
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: with what error?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Rejected:
[16:52] <apachelogger> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[16:52] <apachelogger> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[16:52] <Riddell> sounds like you're building against debian's .orig and not urs
[16:52] <apachelogger> the version was 1.0-2build1
[16:52] <Riddell> ours
[16:52] <apachelogger> hm
[16:52] <\sh> ok...time to leave the office and preparing for the great soccer game :)
[16:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: debian's should be ours really
[16:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: but it isn't..
[16:53] <\sh> seele: thx in advance :) cu tomorrow :)
[16:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: would an 2ubuntu1 get through?
[16:54] <Riddell> yes
[16:54] <Riddell> if it's built against the correct .orig file
[16:55] <apachelogger> I'll take a look at it in a minute
[16:57] <seele> \sh: np
[17:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually we wouldn't want to use our .orig as it causes issues with filelight-l10n imported from debian, how can I override the md5 check?
[18:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: what issues does it cause with filelight-l10n?
[18:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: you can't override the md5sum check, the .orig can't be changed
[18:07] <apachelogger> omg
[18:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: our .orig includes the po direcotry used in -l10n
[18:08] <apachelogger> hm, I could just create a debian/install file and not install the l10n stuff
[18:09] <Riddell> you could
[18:10] <seele> anyone here use an internationalized keyboard? i cant figure out how to get a regular single quote/apostrophe instead of an accent
[18:10] <seele> ´
[18:10] <seele> oh, that didn work in open office
[18:11] <Riddell> it depends to what the keyboard is internationalised
[18:12] <seele> generic 101 key.  my single quote turned in to the tilted one which is tilted in the wrong direction
[18:12] <seele> do i have to remap it to the correct character?
[18:12] <seele> oh, US generic.  dunno if that part matters
[18:17] <seele> hmm.. i guess wordpress escapes the tilted apostrophe so it won´t matter anyway
[18:22] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: applying patches fails due to different Makefile.ins
[18:23] <Riddell> wise man says, don't bother patching Makefile.ins
[18:23] <apachelogger> poor debian ain't wise :|
[18:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I'll just apply useful changes from debian
[19:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: filelight uploaded
[19:07] <Riddell> yay
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's next?
[19:09] <Riddell> I think we're good for kde merges
[19:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: did someone merge amarok yet?
[19:10] <apachelogger> I noticed debian has a new maintainer and loads of changes
[19:10] <Riddell> I didn't notice it in merges.ubuntu.com
[19:11] <Riddell> oh, because we have a epoch
[19:11] <Riddell> so that could do with a merge indeed
[19:11]  * apachelogger merges amarok
[19:18] <ScottK> New python-qt4 was just uploaded too.
[19:52]  * jussi01 tickles stdin
[19:53]  * stdin flops about wildly
[20:06] <apachelogger> hm
[20:07] <apachelogger> does simple-patchsys respect patches/series?
[20:08] <stdin> doesn't look like it
[20:08] <stdin> looks like it just runs through all the files in debian/patches
[20:10] <apachelogger> awful
[20:11]  * apachelogger switches amarok to quilt
[20:11] <stdin> it does say "simple" ;)
[20:11] <apachelogger> simple doesn't mean dangerous :P
[20:12] <seele> grr.. int´l keyboard fail
[20:12] <seele> so i guess wordpress doesn´t convert fancy quotes inside html tags :P
[20:34] <Riddell> ScottK: did you say you had a fix for python-qt3 compile?
[20:57] <harolddong> where is the folder view plasmoid is the latest packages?
[20:58] <Riddell> kdebase-plasmoid
[21:01] <Riddell> well, kdebase-plasma
[21:03] <harolddong> I see kdeplasmoids which is installed but neither of the names you mentioned
[21:13] <smarter> harolddong: libplasma2?
[21:15] <harolddong> libplasma2 is already installed as well
[21:16] <smarter> w00t, finally we have a working kdebindings/python-kde4
[21:21] <stdin> harolddong: the package was missing, kdebase-plasma-kde4 should be in the repos whenever the buildd decide to get around to it
[21:22] <stdin> doesn't help that someone has decided to built the linux kernel over and over again :|
[21:24] <apachelogger> happens a lot
[21:25] <stdin> amd64: 37 builds waiting in queue, i386: 22 builds waiting in queue
[21:25] <Tm_T> oh boy
[21:25] <Tm_T> collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]
[21:25] <stdin> only lpia is available, and no one runs lpia anyway :p
[21:26] <stdin> well, when ld crashes, bad things are happening
[21:26] <Tm_T> I really wonder why ld keeps segfaulting
[21:27] <Tm_T> I don't know how to track this issue down
[21:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  It's done (merged the new upstream where they dropped the konsole bits).
[21:52] <Riddell> ScottK: but it hasn't been uploaded?
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> @Packagers of 4.1 beta packages, you might want to look at bug 240197
[22:05] <stdin> well, I didn't package that one ;)
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:10] <stdin> kdesdk-kde4 4.0.83-0ubuntu1~hardy2~ppa1 uploaded
[22:10] <stdin> now to wait several hours for the build to start...
[22:20] <daSkreech> metellius: Ping
[22:42] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[22:59] <blistov> i accidentally installed using Canadian key layout, but the console can't deal with the accents.
[23:00] <blistov> How do I switch it back to US?
[23:00] <daSkreech> Support should be in #kubuntu
[23:05] <blistov> ok, is the console being ... un-usable also a support issue?
[23:05] <blistov> ie, can't type, no slash...
[23:05] <blistov> replaced with an accented e...
[23:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  I think.
[23:06]  * ScottK looks
[23:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Sorry.


[00:00] <pleia2> knome: thanks, where does the flyer source live again?
[00:00] <knome> pleia2, lp:xubuntu-marketing
[00:00] <knome> pleia2, has a script to produce the pdfs from the svg
[00:01] <knome> once IS pulls the new theme stuff, i'll have another update for static.
[00:02]  * pleia2 thubms up
[00:02]  * knome wonders what thubming means
[00:02] <pleia2> :P
[00:02] <pleia2> I'll try to update docs.x.o and static soon, scrambling to finish work-things before airplane
[00:03] <knome> no rush
[00:03] <knome> nothing is really "broken" because they exist
[00:24] <Comstock> so i've just eaten chicken nuggets for the 3rd day in a row
[00:25] <Comstock> i bet i am going to start rotting
[00:25] <knome> Comstock, this isn't a public chat channel.
[00:25] <Comstock> oh whoops i hit the wrong tab
[00:25] <knome> Comstock, try #xubuntu-offtopic if you must tell about your digestion
[00:25] <Comstock> my mistake
[02:22] <bluesabre> late evening folks
[02:23] <drc> Late bird catches the early bug.
[02:24] <drc> or
[02:24] <bluesabre> already did that yesterday, spent today trying to not be sick
[02:24] <drc> Sleep?  Sleep? we doan need no stink' sleep.
[02:24] <bluesabre> :D
[02:24]  * bluesabre loves his sleep
[02:25] <drc> hehe...took a while..."bug"..."sick"...hehe
[02:25] <bluesabre> ;)
[10:17] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:18] <knome> hello sean
[10:28] <bluesabre> hey knome
[10:33] <flocculant> morning benonsoftware
[10:33] <flocculant> oh dear
[10:33] <flocculant> morning bluesabre :)
[10:33]  * benonsoftware waves
[10:33] <flocculant> :)
[10:34] <Unit193> benonsoftware: Howdy.
[10:34] <benonsoftware> Hiyas Unit193
[10:43] <bluesabre> hiya flocculant, Unit193, and benonsoftware
[11:03] <knome> bbl
[19:43] <knome> evening
[19:47] <omegaphoenix> Hi any advice on getting started with contributing?
[19:47] <knome> omegaphoenix, hello
[19:47] <knome> what are you interested in getting involved with?
[19:48] <omegaphoenix> I could get started by working on minor bug fixes in any area
[19:49] <knome> omegaphoenix, http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details
[19:49] <knome> in that list, you will see all bugs that are especially targeted for 15.10
[19:49] <omegaphoenix> Cool thanks
[19:49] <knome> of course there are more, but...
[19:50] <knome> welcome - and thanks for the interest :)
[19:50] <knome> bluesabre is our technical lead, he can tell more
[19:50] <knome> and others can help with many things as well
[19:50] <knome> just ask
[19:50] <omegaphoenix> What do you usually work on?
[19:51] <knome> i'm the website lead, but in addition to web stuff i work with artwork, docs, etc etc
[19:52] <knome> fwiw, these are my work items for this release so far: http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-details/knome
[19:53] <omegaphoenix> How do I get someone to sponsor my fix once I complete something?
[19:54] <knome> the complete (and bureaucratic) answer is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - the practical answer is "poke people on this channel when you are done"
[19:55] <knome> we'll guide you through the process then
[19:55] <knome> flocculant, see http://tracker.xubuntu.org/#tab-timeline
[19:55] <knome> flocculant, now it's ordered based on week in the cycle - also every "week" starts with a thursday...
[19:56] <knome> flocculant, i'm starting to think the sanest thing to do is to group them by month, then add some indication of the date
[19:56] <knome> because the code to figure this out is ugly
[19:57] <knome> and the headers are clumsy with the dates shown (but it would be confusing to say week x without showing them)
[20:21] <andrzejr> Any chance of changing the default CSD theme to look more like xfwm4 theme? Currently, all CSD windows look as if they had no focus, which is really confusing, especially with multiple displays.
[20:22] <knome> andrzejr, i think ochosi has been looking into that
[20:29] <andrzejr> knome, I think part of the problem is that (here) CSD windows use a greybird Gtk theme and xfwm4 uses Moheli. As much as I like greybird's Gtk theme, its xfwm4 one is poor (little contrast and thin borders).
[20:29] <knome> yep.
[21:01] <ali1234> andrzejr: the only way to fix that would be to make xfwm draw the borders with gtk
[21:02] <ali1234> ie the same way CSD is drawn
[21:03] <andrzejr> AFAIR ofourdan was pretty clear this isn't going to happen.
[21:03] <ali1234> exactly, so it can't be fixed
[21:04] <andrzejr> It cannot be fixed in general but you could still have a theme that does a good job both for widgets and window borders.
[21:06] <andrzejr> besides, drawing drawing borders via gtk and keeping the current theme wouldn't fix *my* problem. It would make contrast of *all* window borders poor, not just the CSD ones.


[18:08] <studio-user105> Hello everyone, I'm new to ubuntustudio and I'm so amazed by its wonderful features and lightweight design.
[20:22] <L00P3X> GoodEvening
[21:44] <L00P3X> i can't.. and i can't record midi data from hydrogen over ardour.. what i can is play the drums from the keyboard and see a peak over ardour.. but no actual recording.. would someone be so nice and explain me how to connect jack? a2j is enabled
[23:10] <yorwos>  /msg NickServ identify malakies22
[23:11] <yorwos> dam
[23:13] <Unit193> "Oops"
[23:59] <MaynardWaters>  lool