[00:00] <Malinuss> then I got a problem.. sigh
[00:02] <Malinuss> I used the unetbootin, and got the newest xubuntu on it. Now when I boot with the USB, it first take ages when it tries to get the DHCP, and then when it finally does (it's connected trough a modem, and the internet works fine under windows), it displays some errors for like a second (I never get to read them), and boots windows...
[00:02] <Malinuss> sigh...
[00:08] <Zasek> Hi gyus, I need an advice - my shortcut panel won't hide even though I checked it in settings, do you know what's wrong?
[00:10] <amiu> have you tried restarting? or logging out?
[00:11] <Zasek> Yeah, I did. It worked when I started the PC, then I just clicked to mount a partition through "Places" in the panel and it stopped working again.
[00:12] <amiu> you got me. i have that with panel 1 sometimes but its never happed with panel 2 before
[00:13] <Zasek> And do you know where's the problem?
[00:15] <Zasek> Or how to avoid that problem?
[00:15] <amiu> no if it were me and it happened more than once in a while id search the forums, and bug reports, if theres no mention of it ii'd file a bug report
[00:16] <Zasek> Ok, thanks. I did some searched the web a bit, but I've found nothing.
[00:40] <Kacey> hey i have a question
[00:42] <g16> everybody have questions… few have the answers.
[00:43] <g16> !ask | Kacey
[00:48] <timma> Is there a good program to record videos from a webcam with?
[00:57] <g16> VLC, for one.
[00:58] <g16> Cheese.
[01:36] <filantropus> Can someone help me? my xubuntu system crashs
[01:36] <filantropus> itś strange. I have installed a lot of distros but everyone of them always crashes
[01:43] <melodie> filantropus, do you have a nvidia card ?
[01:44] <melodie> is your computer a laptop or a desktop ?
[01:44] <melodie> filantropus, ??
[02:08] <Candlehawk> Hello, I am having an issue with my headset not being recognized by skype. I am using xubuntu 12.10 64 bit and I am trying to get the Logitech G930 to be my default device.
[02:13] <Candlehawk> asarkar: Sneaky bastard :)
[02:15] <Candlehawk> asterismo: Perhaps you can help me>
[02:16] <melodie> Candlehawk, does the headset have jack connection or usb connection ?
[02:16] <Candlehawk> melodie: USB.
[02:16] <Candlehawk> I can hear videos just fine on FF
[02:17] <melodie> did you configure your head set in the pulseaudio gui configuration ?
[02:17] <Candlehawk> No, just how it worked by default.
[02:17] <melodie> usb headsets are difficult to get to work, I experienced it and got one with jack connection which works everywhere
[02:17] <Candlehawk> It is only skype that has the issue that it does not find the headset.
[02:18] <melodie> what configuration menus did you find in skype ?
[02:18] <melodie> have you tried the latest skype for windows with wine ? (never know... )
[02:18] <Candlehawk> I went to the options page and under sound devices I can not find anything remotely similar to the headset.
[02:19] <Candlehawk> I would rather not use the windows version, due to ads and me not liking the windows layout.
[02:20] <melodie> you know there is nothing much to do when it comes to non free software
[02:20] <melodie> try start it from console, and then look at the output, in case something shows out
[02:23] <Candlehawk> Never mind, figured it out. The list options were under weird names that had nothing to do with the headset.
[02:26] <melodie> gn
[05:44] <gmg85> the pop up menu on my desktop no longer works....xubuntu 12.10 64 bit :[
[08:12] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! someone explain to me howto make act a usb dongle on ubuntu as access point to share internet?
[09:39] <elias0elf> hi
[09:40] <elias0elf> hello
[11:42] <Malinuss> so I installed xubuntu on my gfs computer. "look everything will be faster and more slick then win 7" "you can just use libreoffice instead of office" "see how you can adjust everything"... then she asks "what about netflix"... welp that didn't go too good
[12:03] <laite> Malinuss:  and then you read this: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-get-netflix-streaming-on-ubuntu-1210/4019
[12:04] <laite> (I have no idea if it works, never used netflix myself :/)
[12:04] <Malinuss> laite, it works... at 5fps (it's one of those small netbooks)
[12:04] <laite> oh :/
[12:05] <knome> many tv series are followable with 5 frames per minute though
[12:05] <Malinuss> that is true knome
[12:05] <Malinuss> haha
[12:05] <Malinuss> I also tried the "b-but the software netflix uses is proprietary" -route...
[13:46] <sebastian_Hope> hi
[13:46] <sebastian_Hope> I have questions about xubuntu
[13:46] <sebastian_Hope> is this the place to be?
[13:46] <g16> !ask | sebastian_Hope
[13:49] <sebastian_Hope> I wanted to update my xubuntu 11.10 to Ubuntu 12.10 (automatic update) but I dont have enough space this is what appeared on the screen:Het opwaarderen is afgebroken. De installatie heeft in totaal 1.100 M vrije schijfruimte nodig op schijf ‘/’. Maak tenminste een extra 782 M schijfruimte vrij op ‘/’. Maak de prullenbak leeg en verwijder tijdelijke bestanden van vorige installaties via de opdracht 'sudo apt-get
[13:49] <sebastian_Hope> clean'.
[13:51] <g16> And the question is?
[13:52] <sebastian_Hope> sorry I was distracted,when I am in the terminal I give the command: sudo apt get clean' but I cant type my password in I tried everything
[13:53] <Pici> sebastian_Hope: Do you mean it doesn't accept your password, or that it doesn't show any stars?
[13:54] <sebastian_Hope> it doesnt show anything
[13:55] <Pici> Thats normal.
[13:55] <sebastian_Hope> So what do I do?
[13:55] <Pici> Just type your password.
[13:55] <sebastian_Hope> Doesnt work
[13:56] <sebastian_Hope> unless you know something I don't :s
[13:57] <Pici> It says invalid password?
[13:58] <sebastian_Hope> no I can't type or paste the password, I can type the command but not my password
[13:58] <g16> type your password, then press Enter.
[13:59] <sebastian_Hope> even if I don't see anything appearing on the terminal screen while typing the password?
[14:00] <Pici> yes
[14:02] <sebastian_Hope> now my terminal doesnt work
[14:02] <sebastian_Hope> I start it but when its open it doesnt react
[14:02] <g16> wait a bit
[14:03] <sebastian_Hope> I cant close it I have 4 terminal windows open now it has been a while could it be my pc is just too old?
[14:03] <sebastian_Hope> I use a compaq armada E500
[14:04] <sebastian_Hope> I have constantly problems with my pc
[14:06] <sebastian_Hope> I will ask again, so I have a lot of problems with my pc this isnt the only one could it be hes to old its an compaq armada e500 ?
[14:09] <sebastian_Hope> Okay so I don't understand anything about my problems with my terminal maybe it is easyer to upgrade to ubuntu 12.1O with a cd-rom does anyone know how to do that? I tried 5 times already doesnt work
[14:09] <xubuntu972> hI :) installing xub ^^
[14:10] <knome> sebastian_Hope, how much ram does your pc have?
[14:11] <sebastian_Hope> knome:I don't know how can I see that?
[14:12] <knome> sebastian_Hope, type "free -mh" in a terminal (without the quotes)
[14:13] <xubuntu972> is it possible to install ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa directly from the setup process? I asked help about installing on netbook because no GUI interface
[14:13] <knome> xubuntu972, nope, that's not possible afaik
[14:13] <xubuntu972> and someone says I need to do that because I have Intel Atom Cedartrail
[14:13] <knome> xubuntu972, are you installing from a live cd?
[14:14] <xubuntu972> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa but how to have a connection through the terminal without gui :(
[14:15] <xubuntu972> I install from a live-usb (no cd on my netbook. Tried XU 386, XU 64 and U 64 and no gui so this guy says to do that xorg stuff
[14:15] <sebastian_Hope> knome, I have problems with my terminal doesnt work :5
[14:18] <sebastian_Hope> how can I terminate processes or programs?
[14:19] <xubuntu972> and it's already an adventure to be connected because I didn't had my net login for copypaste and I had the good idea to use a 56 char random login so I wrote it on a paper and typed it as is to be connected here ^
[14:20] <xubuntu972> It would be nice if I can add a personal package from the setup to integrate ppa:xorg stuff
[14:22] <knome> xubuntu972, before filesystems are created and files in place, that's impossible anyway.
[14:23] <xubuntu972> ok... install is finishing
[14:23] <xubuntu972> i'm at "running post install trigger" stuff
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope> knome, sebastian@computer:~$ free -mh
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope> free: invalid option -- 'h'
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope> usage: free [-b|-k|-m|-g] [-l] [-o] [-t] [-s delay] [-c count] [-V]
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -b,-k,-m,-g show output in bytes, KB, MB, or GB
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -l show detailed low and high memory statistics
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -o use old format (no -/+buffers/cache line)
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -t display total for RAM + swap
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -s update every [delay] seconds
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -c update [count] times
[14:23] <sebastian_Hope>   -V display version information and exit
[14:24] <knome> sebastian_Hope, in that case, try "free -m"
[14:24] <knome> !pastebin | sebastian_Hope
[14:24] <xubuntu972> Need to restart. How to connect throigh internet from terminal? Thanks Knome :)
[14:24] <Luciferis> hello, today, i openned my xubuntu and it's all twisted. my windows only work in unmaximisede mode. There's no way to minimise them, their not even recognised in the top pannel, and the pannels are underneath the open windows.If i open a new application it just superposis on the top of the other's and there's no way getting it out of there. Only closing it. impossible to type whatsoever in terminal too. I guess i shall formatt and
[14:25] <knome> Luciferis, press alt+f2 and run "xfwm4" (without the quotes). does that help?
[14:27] <sebastian_Hope> knome, this is the url from my ram :http://paste.ubuntu.com/1636477/
[14:27] <knome> sebastian_Hope, ok, you have 248M of ram. that's a bit too little for xubuntu
[14:27] <Luciferis> yeah, that was the magic words, thank you very much. i'll explor'it. if i have problem's come back later. thanx.
[14:28] <knome> Luciferis, enjoy
[14:28] <sebastian_Hope> knome, do you know what I can do about it?
[14:28] <xubuntu972> .. bye and pray for me
[14:28] <xubuntu972> Sebastian, lubuntu maybe
[14:29] <sebastian_Hope> xubuntu 972, oh does it requier less ram?
[14:29] <Luciferis> learning. cheers knome.
[14:29] <knome> sebastian_Hope, try to get more RAM or try other distributions. lubuntu might work a bit better, there are also even more lighter ones, like damn small linux.
[14:29] <xubuntu972> Arrivederci ^
[14:30] <sebastian_Hope> I have an compaq armada e500 does anyone think it is possible to put in a new ram ?
[14:31] <sebastian_Hope> Or is there an other whay to get more ram?
[14:31] <knome> no, the only way is to physically insert more ram
[14:31] <g16> or Puppy Linux
[14:31] <g16> DSL has old packages.
[14:33] <sebastian_Hope> Does anyone have experience in putting other ram ? because I really like ubuntu
[14:33] <sebastian_Hope> My computer is very old
[14:36] <sebastian_Hope> or does anyone know a site about removing ram and putting new ram in it?
[14:36] <knome> sebastian_Hope, i'm sure there are several sites going through that
[14:37] <sebastian_Hope> super, i will just google it?
[14:37] <knome> sebastian_Hope, that should do it
[14:38] <sebastian_Hope> fantastic! thanks everyone for being there for me especially knome, xubuntu 972 ( just left) and g16 thanks you guys! :D
[14:39] <knome> np, have fun and good luck
[14:39] <sebastian_Hope> thanks ;) otherwise I will be back :p
[15:01] <ner0x> OpenOffice vs LibreOffice: Any major differences?
[15:01] <baizon> Libreoffice > Openoffice
[15:02] <baizon> ner0x: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/76331.html
[15:04] <ner0x> baizon: Will read. Thank you.
[15:06] <xubuntu164> hi back... I'm near to give up xubuntu on my netbook, rather pissed off to not solve this problem :(
[15:06] <xubuntu164> (xub972 it was me). Thanks anyway for your help knome...
[15:08] <xubuntu164> (xub972 it was me). Thanks anyway for your help knome...
[15:08] <xubuntu164> hi back... I'm near to give up xubuntu on my netbook, rather pissed off to not solve this problem :(
[15:09] <daswort> which problem xubuntu164
[15:09] <xubuntu164> impossible to use xub, terminal mode and no gui, sounds because i have cedar trail stuff
[15:11] <xubuntu164> Then asked help on forum, someone says I need to do ppa:xorg stuff, but not connected, and now found how to connect with iwconfig wlan0 but says I can't connect...  It would be nice if I can use GUI on xubuntu. Tried to install XUB 386, UB 64, Xub 64, but no gui after iknstall
[15:13] <xubuntu164> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12501354#post12501354
[15:14] <daswort> xubuntu164: you could try a dev version of 13.04
[15:16] <xubuntu164> Would be happy anything as long I can run on Gui interface... I guess if I can't run gui with this last one, I will use another linux distrib, in my hardest pain because I <3 ubuntu
[15:20] <g16> xubuntu164: but can't you do a GUI-less install, then apt-add-repository, then apt-get install xfce4-desktop?
[15:21] <g16> You can with either XUbuntu 12.04 alternate CD (you could still upgrade to 12.10 after installation)... or, well, falling back to Debian
[15:23] <g16> Offline .deb installation can be done with an offline repository https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal
[15:26] <xubuntu164> Tried live cd, doesn't work. Tried to connect through internet with iwconfig, doesn't work... And I guess pasting a partition image will not make any changes
[15:27] <xubuntu164> And I use live-usb, because no cd on netbook
[15:29] <xubuntu164> And i'm tired to use my hands on terminal to solve... I will install 13.04 dev...
[15:44] <koegs> iwconfig is pretty easy: http://www.ehow.com/how_10010969_connect-wifi-terminal-ubuntu.html
[15:44] <koegs> all you have to remember is to use dhclient afterwards to get an ip address
[15:45] <xubuntu964netboo> Hi back :) preparing the install key
[15:46] <xubuntu964netboo> Trying 13.04. Maybe see you soon (with a similar nickname
[16:13] <xubuntu964nbook>  hi back!
[16:14] <xubuntu964nbook> Livecd 13.4 runs well. Going to setup it
[16:15] <xubuntu964nbook> but with ubuntu , not xubuntu. Will install xfce after
[16:28] <xubuntu099> hi guys. how can share link where describe how to install nvidia drivers? Officially ;) i find a lot of ways and donna know which way is more stable and officially advicing
[16:28] <xubuntu099> who*
[16:31] <xubuntu099> now one reply ?
[16:31] <xubuntu964nbook> sorry can't help you
[16:33] <xubuntu099> so there is no way to install nvidia drivers ?
[16:33] <koegs> xubuntu099: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:33] <xubuntu964nbook> Maybe yes :)
[16:33] <koegs> !nvidia
[16:36] <xubuntu099> hmm thanks for the links. i'll read these and try to install :)
[16:40] <xubuntu964nbook> setup done. I hope gui will run, would be happy to forward to other main important other things, life issues ^^
[16:43] <xubuntu964nbook> See u soon
[16:58] <xubuntu964nbook> Yay I have 13.04 gui ^^
[16:58] <xubuntu964nbook> have a sweet week
[16:59] <xubuntu964nbook> thanks knome
[17:07] <misterjinx> hello,I have a question ragarding arandr
[17:07] <misterjinx> I installed it and created a layout according to my monitors and saved the layout into a script
[17:07] <misterjinx> then I added execute permission to this script and the I added it to the startup scripts
[17:08] <misterjinx> but each time the system starts the layout is not taken into consideration
[17:08] <misterjinx> what should I do ?
[17:09] <xubuntu828> o
[17:13] <Malinuss> so under session and startup settings. And under application autostart, each time I add a new thing, it just gets deleted when I close the window? How come
[17:13] <Malinuss> ?
[17:14] <Malinuss> It doesn't even say anything, it just not there anymore, when I open the application autostart again.. sigh
[18:07] <c2tarun>  I updated to XFCE 4.10 and now I am not able to open my Sound Settings :(
[18:09] <g16> c2tarun: in a terminal, type pavucontrol and then press Enter
[18:10] <c2tarun> g16, it worked :) but why is it not working from tray icon menu?
[18:11] <g16> sorry, no idea.
[18:12] <koegs> c2tarun: install xfce4-mixer
[18:14] <c2tarun> it worked :) thanks
[18:15] <P3dr0Pau10> how install Thunar 1.6?
[18:20] <c2tarun> P3dr0Pau10, first link I found on googling: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/install-thunar-with-tabs-support-in.html
[18:21] <c2tarun> I would remove the ppa after installing thunar, I think it is for XFCE 4.12 which is still not stable.
[18:22] <P3dr0Pau10> c2tarun, Thanks!!!
[18:26] <mutes> So I bought a new monitor, hooked it up via hdmi(single monitor) and the entire wm is bordered by like an inch. Everything is reading 1920x1080, but it's obviously being scaled
[18:26] <mutes> any idea what may be responsible?
[18:28] <mutes> nevermind...for some raisin the catalyst control center decided to scale everything in hdmi.
[19:30] <Shadow__X> hello everyone suspend is not working right on xubuntu 12.04. the computer suspends but then restarts by itself
[19:30] <pleia2> Shadow__X: those kinds of bugs are heavily hardware dependent, can you submit a bug and specify what hardware it's running on?
[19:32] <Shadow__X> i have to create an account to file a bug right?
[19:32] <pleia2> Shadow__X: on launchpad, yes
[20:01] <aicasn-V> one PC freezes when it get to the grub menu. every key makes the numlock led toggle (key down == on, key up == off). no input is accepted by grub and the menu never times out.  any ideas?
[20:01] <aicasn-V> grub 1.99-21ubuntu3.9 (latest update for ubuntu)
[20:01] <aicasn-V> xubuntu 12.04 x86
[21:02] <WinSix> alguem pt?
[21:02] <Unit193> !pt
[21:05] <WinSix> nop
[21:06] <WinSix> im running out of space why?
[21:06] <koegs> WinSix: check with baobab
[21:07] <WinSix> i had 700 free after install now i have to keep removing packages
[21:07] <WinSix> al ready removed 2 old kernels thunderbird etc etc
[21:07] <aicasn-V> ubottu: nadia habla tu lingua, dude
[21:07] <koegs> new kernels maybe? see if "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove" and "sudo apt-get clean" gives you more space
[21:08] <WinSix> i did that but with out purge
[21:08] <koegs> purge ist not important
[21:08] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep linux-image  and see how many you have.
[21:08] <WinSix> so whats keeps filling the drive?
[21:09] <koegs> WinSix: as i said, check with baobab
[21:09] <WinSix> baobab?
[21:09] <koegs> it is a programm
[21:11] <WinSix> ah! analizador de utilização de disco!
[21:11] <Unit193> Could also use ncdu, or  du -xk | sort -n | tail -20
[21:11] <koegs> in english please :D
[21:12] <WinSix> i have a partition out of the disc
[21:14] <WinSix> disc usage analyzer?
[21:14] <Unit193> koegs: Top 20 files in the pwd/* tree.
[21:16] <WinSix> 5,2G  4,9G   53M  99% /
[21:16] <WinSix> udev            365M   12K  365M   1% /dev
[21:16] <WinSix> tmpfs           150M  760K  149M   1% /run
[21:16] <WinSix> none            5,0M     0  5,0M   0% /run/lock
[21:16] <WinSix> none            375M   84K  375M   1% /run/shm
[21:19] <WinSix> whats filling up the drive?
[21:19] <WinSix> its not any thing of mine
[21:20] <WinSix> [21:20] <WinSix> libparted : 2.3
[21:20] <WinSix> [21:20] <WinSix> Não pode ter uma partição fora do disco!
[21:21] <WinSix> how do i fix this?
[21:22] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <knome> !patience
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <WinSix> anyone in here?
[21:23] <knome> if you don't stop, i'll have to remove you.
[21:24] <trewe> talvez devas mudar o idioma para ingles para que os erros possam ser ententidos
[21:24] <knome> trewe, english please
[21:24] <trewe> was only helping
[21:24] <WinSix> i have a partition out of the disc
[21:25] <knome> trewe, sure. there's a channel for portuguese support though.
[21:25] <WinSix> You cant have partition out of the disc!
[21:26] <Malinuss> I tried a couple of hours ago, I also did some searches, but couldn
[21:26] <Malinuss> really figure it out
[21:26] <aicasn-V> i would help you if i could, WinSix. atm, i don't understand what you mean
[21:26] <Malinuss> sorry for the accidental enter.. sigh
[21:26] <Malinuss> " so under session and startup settings. And under application autostart, each time I add a new thing, it just gets deleted when I close the window? How come?"
[21:28] <WinSix> thank you for your time aicasn-V
[21:30]  * aicasn-V blinks
[21:30] <aicasn-V> ... no problem
[21:31] <WinSix> gparted wont run
[21:32] <WinSix> gparted run but tells me that filesystem is with out alocation
[21:33] <aicasn-V> can you provide some context? what exactly are you doing? did you boot from the hard drive, a live CD, etc.?
[21:33] <WinSix> why palinpset shows the partitions
[21:33] <WinSix> not im running regular
[21:33] <aicasn-V> and why are you using gparted? what are you trying to do?
[21:34] <WinSix> to fix it
[21:34] <aicasn-V> fix a drive?
[21:34] <WinSix> yes
[21:34] <aicasn-V> if you're running "regular" then i'm assuming that your xubuntu is booting okay?
[21:34] <WinSix> fix the partition table
[21:34] <WinSix> i woulnt say OK
[21:35] <aicasn-V> please tell me why you originally thought the drive needed fixing
[21:36] <WinSix> because i was running out of space and xubuntu crashed
[21:36] <aicasn-V> how did you check that you are running out of space?
[21:37] <WinSix> are you an automated chat bot?
[21:38] <aicasn-V> no, but perhaps i could find one for you
[21:38] <WinSix> oky gotcha
[23:53] <xubuntu392> once you have the torrent on Bittorrent, how do you install it to you hard-drive
[23:55] <moetunes> xubuntu392:  are you talking about installing xubuntu?
[23:56] <moetunes> burn the iso to a cd or usb and boot into the live environment
[23:56] <moetunes> !install | xubuntu392


[02:20] <Marky> hi everyone =)
[02:21] <Marky> well.. i can't add a new member to a specific translator group
[02:22] <Marky> when i click the "Choose' button there's a new window opens
[02:22] <Marky> but when i enter the name .. in won't do a thing
[02:23] <Marky> is it a bug ?
[02:23] <Marky> I'm using Mozilla 1.0.6 thanx
[02:23] <Marky> oh, that's Rosetta
[02:30] <sabdfl> Marky: wht are you entering in the text box?
[02:31] <sabdfl> you need to enter part of somebody's name
[02:31] <sabdfl> then it searches
[02:31] <Marky> yeah, i've entered the name
[02:31] <sabdfl> it shoudl tell you if it finds no matches, but at the moment it just looks like nothing happens
[02:31] <sabdfl> file a bug, assign to stuart bishop
[02:31] <Marky> so.. should i wait .. ?
[02:32] <Marky> well.. this is odd..
[02:33] <Marky> i've searched for someone name Tedi Heriyanto
[02:33] <Marky> He's translated some package, but when i'm searching his name to add him..
[02:34] <Marky> the Launchpad found nothing
[02:54] <sabdfl> Marky: try contacting him directly, ask him to register in launchpad
[03:17] <sd-tux> hi, how can i start translating a program(gnomemeeting) to georgian language ? in "Programs you can translate" i see only some applications gaim xmms etc.
[03:41] <sabdfl> sd-tux: are you a member of the Ubuntu Georgian team?
[03:42] <sabdfl> would you like to be? have you any experience translating PO files?
[03:43] <sabdfl> and what's your launchpad name?
[03:45] <sd-tux> sabdfl: my launhpad name is "Alexander Didebulidze" I don't have experience in translating .po files
[03:46] <sd-tux> sd-tux: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet
[03:47] <sd-tux> sabdfl: and I'm notmember of Ubuntu team yet..
[03:48] <sabdfl> sd-tux: i'm happy to add you as the first translator
[03:48] <sabdfl> it would be good if you could start trying to find other guys who would join a team
[03:48] <sabdfl> when you find someone else, create a launchpad team, and add yourself and them to the team
[03:48] <sabdfl> then we'll make the team the translator instead of you personally
[03:48] <sabdfl> make sense
[03:48] <sabdfl> ?
[03:49] <sd-tux> sabdfl: actualy i just want to translate some gnome apps.. I helped a bit in translating Gaim using Rosetta..
[03:50] <sabdfl> i've added you as a designated Georgian translator for ubuntu
[03:50] <sabdfl> so now you can translate anything there
[03:50] <sabdfl> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+translations
[03:50] <sd-tux> sabdfl: we are 2 persons now.. "Alexander Didebulidze" and "Vladimir Sichinava"
[03:50] <sabdfl> ok
[03:51] <sabdfl> create a team called "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" with name ubuntu-l10n-ka
[03:51] <sabdfl> put vladimir in there, and yourself too
[03:51] <sabdfl> then ping me
[03:52] <sd-tux> ok
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: do i have a permission to change the name of georgian translator from "Alexander Didebulidze" to "Ubuntu Georgian Translators" ? I'm getting " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."
[04:01] <sd-tux> sabdfl: on this page : https://launchpad.net/rosetta/groups/ubuntu-translators/
[04:14] <sabdfl> sd-tux: have you created the team?
[04:14] <sabdfl> what'sthe team name?
[04:15] <sd-tux> sabdfl: i can't find a place from wich i can create a team ...
[04:18] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok i found it..
[04:44] <sd-tux> sabdfl: ok I have created a team an i'd like to know how to add a package for translation in Rosetta
[05:03] <sabdfl> sd-tux: done
[05:03] <ddaa><PHONE_NUMBER>6582
[05:03] <ddaa> oop-
[05:03] <sabdfl> you can now automatically translate any package in ubuntu
[05:03] <sabdfl> ddaa: hello :-)
[05:04] <ddaa> hello
[05:12] <sd-tux> sabdfl: how can i tell rosetta how plural forms work for Georgian..
[05:12] <sabdfl> sd-tux: do you know what a georgian pluralform expression looks like?
[05:13] <sd-tux> sabdfl: I think i know... I'm georgian and other members too :)
[05:14] <sabdfl> yes, but in PO file translation, there's a bit of magic that describes how plural forms work in that language
[05:14] <sabdfl> usually it's pretty simple - any message that has a variable number of "things" has two forms - one singular, one plural
[05:14] <sabdfl> but some languages are a lot more complicated
[05:15] <sabdfl> welsh, for example, has many,many plural forms
[05:15] <sabdfl> depending on whether there are 0, 1, 2, 3, 7 or more, 10 or more... etc
[05:15] <sabdfl> for example, the message "there are %s cars on the road"
[05:15] <sabdfl> how many different sentences would you need to translate that, depending on the number of s?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in georgian?
[05:16] <sabdfl> in english, it's two
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there are X cars on the road"
[05:16] <sabdfl> "there is X car on the road"
[05:16] <sd-tux> for example we have no articles, no capital letters, no masculine or feminile articles.
[05:16] <sd-tux> but we have 7 cases.
[05:16] <sabdfl> sounds good
[05:16] <sabdfl> cases are not usually a problem
[05:17] <sabdfl> is it slavic? similar to russian?
[05:17] <sd-tux> so
[05:17] <sd-tux> georgian is not indoeropian language
[05:18] <sd-tux> georgian is a Kartvelic Caucasian Language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> a Language is with proper alphabet and with a propher language.
[05:20] <sd-tux> in this team we understand quite good english, and good german italian and russian language.
[05:21] <sd-tux> for example with plural nouns;
[05:22] <sd-tux> there are X cars on the road= "kuchashi X manka-nebia" (I'm using latin letters :D) and...
[05:22] <sd-tux> "there is X car on the road" - "kuchashi X mank-anaa".
[05:23] <sd-tux> "sufix" is changed.
[05:27] <sd-tux> so plurals in georgian are:
[05:27] <sd-tux> 1 car = 1 mankana
[05:27] <sd-tux> 2 cars = 2 mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> many cars = bevri mankana
[05:28] <sd-tux> so noun mankana is not changed.
[05:29] <sd-tux> but without without "many" a noun mankana will change into "mankanebi".
[05:29] <sd-tux> so what can do?
[05:30] <sabdfl> ok, this looks fairly standard
[05:30] <sabdfl> email this conversation to the rosetta-users list and ask carlos to add Georgian
[11:28] <mdke> hi all
[11:28] <mdke> is everything imported into breezy in rosetta now?


[05:40] <cpaelzer_> good morning
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[06:19] <pitti> +gnome-software (3.20.1+git20160617.1.0440874.ubuntu-xenial-0ubuntu1~16.04.1)
[06:20] <pitti> Laney: ^ triggering buffer overflows in dpkg and apt? :-)
[06:26] <didrocks> and then, people complained about CI train versionning scheme! :-)
[07:00] <pitti> Laney: rejecting your ubuntu-themes xenial SRU, it doesn't have an SRU bug
[07:47] <rbasak> pitti: mysql-5.7 dep8 is failing on ppc64el on both xenial and yakkety due to a latent bug. Has something changed in the way tests on ppc64el are run - such as parallelism?
[07:48] <rbasak> pitti: Skuggen has kindly provided http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=81923 upstream, but that is a while from being fixed. Would it be acceptable to ignore the test positive as it is not a regression over Xenial?
[07:48] <rbasak> (it's blocking progress for us right now and we don't have a fix; apparently it's a race)
[07:48] <rbasak> Or should we disable the affected tests?
[08:03] <rbasak> mwhudson: with bug 1591021, I'd go as far as Won't Fix. We've tried to fix things up in the past and maintaining that delta was more painful than it was worth. If upstream aren't interested in fixing it, that's Won't Fix for us.
[08:03] <rbasak> Otherwise there's the implication that the bug could make progress and/or that we'd take a patch, which isn't true.
[08:03] <mwhudson> rbasak: fair enough
[08:04] <Laney> pitti: ffs, the train is supposed to add that
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, did you commit --fixes lp:<nnn> or have the bug linked to the merge request?
[08:06] <Laney> don't know
[08:06] <Laney> don't worry seb128, I can manage fixing it :)
[08:06] <seb128> yeah
[08:06] <seb128> it might be a train regression, please let them know if you had one of those and it failed to create the correct changelog
[08:11] <pitti> rbasak: sorry, was OTP; no, there were no recent changes from my side
[08:11] <pitti> rbasak: but it could certainly be that some underlying library or hte kernel or whatnot changed
[08:12] <pitti> rbasak: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-5.7/yakkety/ppc64el/ doesn't look new, though, it has always been fairly flaky
[08:12] <pitti> rbasak: and http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/m/mysql-5.7/xenial/ppc64el/ didn't regress, it's alwaysfail
[08:13] <rbasak> pitti: it seems to consistently fail now, but I'm told the bug existed from the start of 5.7, and we didn't hit the issue in Xenial.
[08:13] <pitti> (like on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#mysql-5.7)
[08:13] <rbasak> pitti: though if you look at the actual failure log, you'll see that it is intermittent - but since there are a number of tests affected, at least one of them tends to fail.
[08:13] <pitti> yeah, the latest xenial run is something different
[08:14] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#mysql-5.7 is just marked red because of the ruby-mysql2 regressino
[08:14]  * pitti retries that
[08:14] <rbasak> They're all different.
[08:14] <rbasak> The problem is that there are some essential fixes I want to land in Xenial after some testing in Yakkety.
[08:15] <rbasak> But this is blocking those.
[08:15] <pitti> # very flaky
[08:15] <pitti> force-badtest mysql-5.7/5.7.12-0ubuntu2/ppc64el
[08:15] <pitti> hah
[08:15] <pitti> so this just needs to be bumped
[08:15] <rbasak> Oh
[08:15] <rbasak> I didn't know that was there!
[08:15] <pitti> done
[08:16] <rbasak> We think it could all be http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=81923 so add that as a comment if you like?
[08:16] <rbasak> Thanks!
[08:16] <Skuggen> \o/
[08:16] <pitti> feel free to hit retry on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/xenial/update_excuses.html#mysql-5.7 again if the currently running one fails again
[08:16] <Skuggen> We're pretty sure this problem has been there for all of 5.7, so was a bit odd that the tests are failing more often now
[08:16] <rbasak> Will do, thanks.
[08:17] <rbasak> Skuggen: looks like the failure was being ignored before (due to being flaky)
[08:17] <Skuggen> Ah, maybe it used to be "Always failed", but then a fully green build passed through?
[08:17] <Skuggen> I seem to remember two platforms listed as "Always failed" for 5.7
[08:24] <pitti> yeah, it happened to succeed four times
[08:25] <rbasak> Skuggen: I filed bug 1594716 so we leave a trail for anyone hitting this.
[08:28] <Skuggen> Bug: Random test successes
[08:29] <caribou> pitti: any reason why https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/yakkety/current/yakkety-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img doesn't exist ?
[08:29] <pitti> caribou: the -disk1 suffix was dropped
[08:29] <caribou> pitti: any relation to your new autopkgtest 4.0 release ?
[08:29] <caribou> pitti: which means that one cannot run yakkety dep8 tests on Xenial...
[08:29] <rbasak> "Inconsistency for the sake of consistency", as smoser put it.
[08:30] <pitti> caribou: this was already fixed in 3.20.7
[08:30] <pitti> caribou: install the version from xenial-backports
[08:30] <caribou> pitti: ah, ok : apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[08:30] <caribou> pitti: yeah, backport is better
[08:31] <caribou> pitti: thanks!
[08:37] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: caribou: pitti: The .img in yakkety is intended to boot in both UEFI and traditional manners; it is actually different to what the -disk1 image was. :)
[08:38] <juliank> mvo: Could you leave some endorsement on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JulianAndresKlode/DeveloperApplication-PPU please?
[08:40] <juliank> pitti: you probably do not recall any upload you sponsored (I see two ndiswrapper ones from 2008 and 2014) and could add something?
[08:40] <juliank> and infinity wanted to write something too...
[08:41]  * juliank hates bureaucracy
[08:41] <mvo> juliank: happy to do that
[08:41] <mvo> juliank: more than happy
[08:42] <pitti> juliank: indeed only these two: http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=Martin+Pitt&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Julian+Andres+Klode&sponsoree_search=name
[08:42] <pitti> which was a simple sync
[08:42] <pitti> juliank: I'll add a recommendation, though!
[08:42] <juliank> pitti: syncs are mostly what I do :D
[08:43] <pitti> good thing :)
[08:43] <juliank> That's what I want the PPU for, to get rid of the sponsorship step for the syncs
[08:44] <juliank> Mostly I work around the normal procedure a bit and just ask someone like mvo or infinity to sync something - that's way quicker than filing a sync request in lp ... - but it does not get the same "publicity"
[08:47] <mvo> juliank: let me know if I should expand it more
[08:47] <juliank> mvo: it's great
[09:12] <xnox> mvo, juliank, recommended for Ubuntu Core Dev
[09:13] <juliank> xnox: Well, we can do that too...
[09:13] <juliank> (but that's a PPU applications)
[09:14] <xnox> juliank, i went from "contributing member" -> core-dev in one step.
[09:15] <xnox> juliank, yes, but in practice mark said "any debian developer is ubuntu developer" thus you should have effective PPU anyway, and you are good enough for coredev =) no need to reapply for everypackage. and you can and know how to fix stuff.
[09:16] <juliank> Oh, there is a less formal procedure for adding/removing packages for Debian developers.
[09:16] <juliank> But I can also go the core dev road, if that's OK with everyone
[09:17] <juliank> That is, if you think I'm OK for that, I'd prefer that
[09:20] <juliank> xnox: I just wanted to play safer this time, a few years ago, I applied for MOTU and was rejected. :/
[09:22] <xnox> bah, silly DMB members
[09:22] <caribou> pitti: any reason why dep8 tests would run then adt-run would report that there were no test ? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17636513/
[09:22] <xnox> juliank, i was on DMB for a little while, but i'm not any more =(
[09:23] <pitti> caribou: that looks like a bug indeed; what's the exit code?
[09:24] <caribou> pitti: 8 as expected
[09:24] <pitti> well, 0 or 2 would be expected
[09:24] <caribou> pitti: I'm running the latest in xenial-backports
[09:24] <pitti> as there *are* tests
[09:24] <rbasak> May I have a review of https://github.com/ltangvald/mysql-5.7/commit/fa6ea034692 from an experienced dev please? The mechanics are simple but I want to make sure the approach is correct (seddery of conffile)
[09:24] <caribou> pitti: yes, but since it reports SKIP, then 8 is to be expected
[09:24] <caribou> pitti: I'll retest on Yakkety & let you know
[09:25] <pitti> caribou: right, please file a bug about it with the full command line
[09:25] <caribou> pitti: sure
[09:26] <juliank> xnox: well, I'd be happy with core-dev membership. The MOTU thing was way back before 2010 even, I think. Kind of depends what mvo and infinity think, as those two are the ones I worked most with longterm/recently. I gtg to university in a few minutes, but will be back in about 20 minutes.
[09:27] <juliank> You're not the first to suggest this
[09:27] <juliank> IIRC
[09:27] <juliank> Someone suggested the same when I applied for bug control...
[09:27] <xnox> !dmb-ping please give juliank core-dev, based on the fact that he is a dd, and lands apt into ubuntu, properly.
[09:27] <xnox> !dmb-ping
[09:27] <xnox> ^^
[09:27] <mwhudson> argh
[09:28] <sil2100> uh oh!
[09:28] <mwhudson> can someone delete https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-defaults/2:1.6.1+1ubuntu2~ppa1 ?
[09:29] <xnox> mwhudson, added "block-proposed" tag on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1508122
[09:29] <juliank> xnox: If I miss anything in the next twenty minutes, let me know when I rejoin
[09:29] <mwhudson> xnox: it's in NEW, luckily
[09:29] <xnox> mwhudson, and affects golang-defaults
[09:30] <mwhudson> but yes, thanks!
[09:30] <xnox> mwhudson, well it's in proposed already, and "block-proposed" is the mere-mortal accessible emergency stop handle =)
[09:30] <Trevinho> bdmurray: as for these regression mails... It seems I'm not getting them anymore, but I think the update can be fired to everyone. These are not related to SRU.
[09:30] <xnox> mwhudson, usually ask for package removals like that on #ubuntu-release
[09:30] <xnox> mwhudson, people with powers monitor that.
[09:30] <mwhudson> ah good point
[09:35] <rbasak> xnox: how does not giving juliank core dev hinder progress? I think I'm settling that as a general criteron now.
[09:36] <rbasak> (while also slowly forgetting how to spell and otherwise construct sentences)
[09:36] <xnox> rbasak, the fact that foundations doesn't have an active apt maintainer, and juliank has been effectively maintaing apt in ubuntu, for ubuntu specific stuff for a while now =)
[09:36] <rbasak> xnox: so that's an excellent reason to give juliank apt PPU.
[09:37] <xnox> rbasak, the list of PPU packages he requests are fine. However, he also finds things and fixes bugs in other dependant packages, and is capable of being an effective core dev =)
[09:38]  * xnox wants juliank as a core dev, cause he would be a good core dev =)
[09:38] <rbasak> The first part of that reason is a good reason. The second part is a good endorsement but not in itself a reason :)
[09:38] <rbasak> Please put your reasons in your endorsement ;)
[09:48] <juliank> xnox: I'm back!
[09:49] <juliank> xnox: Nice excerpt in the wiki
[09:55] <sil2100> ;)
[09:56] <juliank> I must say that xnox is very enthusiastic about this whole thing
[09:56] <juliank> I like that.
[09:57] <rbasak> juliank: so I was saying while you were out. I'm new on the DMB. But I'm slowly settling on wanting a reason for people to have particular upload access. For core dev, often that's "I keep needing sponsorship and that slows down my work", for example.
[09:58] <rbasak> That is: I'm more likely to +1 a request if not doing so will hinder someone somehow, and so I'd like that explained.
[09:58] <rbasak> Since anyone uploading to Ubuntu is doing us all a favour, and I want to "get out of the way".
[09:59] <juliank> rbasak: Yes, isn't that the reason for everyone? I listed "so I can sync new bugfix releases when needed." - I can expand on that obviously
[09:59] <rbasak> juliank: right, but apt (and apt-related packages) PPU would suffice for that.
[09:59] <rbasak> juliank: it does seem to me that apt (and related) PPU is a no-brainer for you BTW.
[10:01] <juliank> Yes, for the APT stuff, it probably would. The other packages are unrelated to APT, but also need syncing in import freeze times to get new bug fixes in
[10:02] <juliank> Apart from the technical component, there's also the social component with core-dev.
[10:03] <juliank> Also, it could easily happen that I NMU a debian package for some RC bug and then want to sync that during freeze and stuff like that
[10:03] <rbasak> Yes, there is. I'm aware of that being documented, though AIUI there's quite a high bar for that. I've not seen it done before, and as a DMB newcomer, I'm less confident around that.
[10:04] <rbasak> Before I was an uploader, I found that people were more willing to sponsor things for me as time went on, because they knew that it was likely to be right and not take much time.
[10:04] <rbasak> And they checked less and less.
[10:05] <juliank> I really only do syncs these days, I don't think there's a whole lot of checking going on when someone sponsors them...
[10:06] <juliank> It's like: Hey I need this synced, and 3 minutes later I hear done
[10:06] <cjwatson> I find it difficult to imagine somebody who's suitable for apt PPU who wouldn't also be suitable for core-dev.
[10:06] <cjwatson> (FWIW)
[10:07] <rbasak> If you have needed sponsorship for a bunch of syncs in random packages, that's also a good reason I think.
[10:07] <juliank> cjwatson: With apt PPU rights I can basically do just as much damage as with core-dev permissions..
[10:07] <rbasak> Well, technically you're root in a user's postinst with any upload :)
[10:07] <pitti> the threat of "any package you touch will belong to you for a long time" should be high enough,  too :)
[10:08] <cjwatson> juliank: Quite.
[10:08] <rbasak> cjwatson: I appreciate your opinion, thanks. Forgive me for being cautious. I'm new to this ;)
[10:10] <pitti> rbasak: FWIW, you got elected on the board because people trust your opinion, so don't apologize :)
[10:11] <rbasak> pitti: thanks :)  But still, subjective decisions are hard to make, and there will always be someone who falls on the wrong side of one and suffers undue hassle. So I'm still happy to apologise for that.
[10:20] <caribou> pitti: FYI the SKIP autopkgtest report was not a bug but my misuse of the adt-run command
[10:21] <caribou> pitti: was running adt-run makedumpfile --unbuilt-tree . and there is no DEP8 tests in the package in the archive
[10:21] <pitti> caribou: oh, you are running *two* tests here
[10:22] <caribou> pitti: yep, just found out :
[10:22] <caribou> :)
[10:22] <pitti> caribou: that's the confusing scenario that autopkgtest 4.0 fixes :)
[10:22] <pitti> well, "fixes" → "does not allow any more"
[10:22] <caribou> pitti: I prefer the new syntax better
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> does anybody know where I can find mirv?
[11:08] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, try /query'ing him, he's here on freenode
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> yep, I did that, even if I prefer a public discussion
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> well, the public discussion is now on #ubuntu-x FWIW
[11:08] <LocutusOfBorg> qtbase-opensource-src is broken on arm64
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> a transition is needed because gles has been enabled there
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> I found it while rebuilding calibre on arm64, failing because of missing symbols (rebuilding pyqt5 is helping)
[11:10] <mitya57> OK. FWIW you can also ask me about Qt related questions :)
[11:11] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/06/21/%23ubuntu-x.html
[11:11] <LocutusOfBorg> can you please take care of it then? :)
[11:22] <mdeslaur> infinity: I'd appreciate your thoughts on the best way to address bug 1584485
[11:22] <mdeslaur> infinity: that approach doesn't look sane to me, do you have any suggestions for something better?
[11:29]  * mitya57 is back and looks
[11:34] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, I can rebuild pyqt5 and calibre. Will it solve your problem? :)
[11:45] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, I'm doing that
[11:45] <LocutusOfBorg> the problem is: does anything else needs a rebuild?
[11:51] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, I suppose anything build-depending on libqt5opengl5-dev may need a rebuild.
[11:51] <mitya57> But I assume Timo is/was intending to take care about most of that himself.
[11:52] <mitya57> I.e. he filed bug #1586026 for packages that don't build with the new version.
[12:12] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks mitya57
[12:12] <LocutusOfBorg> following up there
[12:15] <mitya57> FWIW there was also a thread on ubuntu-devel about this
[12:41] <coreycb> pitti, hi, I commented on bug 1586900 if you can take a look please
[12:42] <pitti> coreycb: yes, but they were added to the binary deps too
[12:44] <coreycb> pitti, only python-requests-kerberos was added to the binary Suggests
[12:44] <pitti> ah, these are *all* Suggests?
[12:44] <pitti> sorry then, I missed that
[12:45] <coreycb> pitti, the only d/control changes from 2.4.0 to 2.4.1 is additions to Build-Depends-Indep
[12:53] <coreycb> pitti, I can upload that again if you agree. thanks for reviewing btw.
[12:54] <pitti> coreycb: that would be good, sorry for the trouble
[12:54] <coreycb> pitti, np :)
[13:32] <rbasak> May I have a review of https://github.com/ltangvald/mysql-5.7/commit/fa6ea034692 from an experienced dev please? The mechanics are simple but I want to make sure the approach is correct (seddery of conffile)
[14:11] <pitti> rbasak: nitpick: I'd add a '^ *' at the front of the regexp, or at least a \b, to ensure that you aren't catching a partial word
[14:12] <pitti> like some otherthing_key_buffer
[14:18] <infinity> mdeslaur: The proposed fix is certainly not reasonable.  I'll ponder the problem over breakfast.
[14:19] <infinity> mdeslaur: Is it a question of ABI breaks, or ABI additions?  It seems the real issue is bad dependencies between libnss-winbind and its deps.
[14:19] <rbasak> pitti: good point, thanks. Is the general principle of handling it OK? Backup file left if changed with sed's --in-place option, dropping the backup if sed left the file unchanged, guarded by version comparison for upgrade only, etc - is there anything else we should be doing that we've missed?
[14:20] <infinity> Oh, because samba-libs is a big blob os libraries that shouldn't be packaged together.
[14:20] <infinity> Whee.
[14:20] <pitti> rbasak: seems good enough to me
[14:20] <rbasak> Great. Thank you for the review! I didn't want to do this badly since fixing it later would be painful :-/
[14:20] <rbasak> Skuggen: ^
[14:22] <mdeslaur> infinity: if the abi changes, running processes die because they're running with the old version of libnss-winbind
[14:23] <mdeslaur> infinity: I guess abi additions should be fine, but I'm not sure how careful samba preserves abi between versions
[14:24] <infinity> mdeslaur: Running processes should be fine, it's new processes that explode miserably.  (Well, or running processes calling into NSS anew, but that's still "new", from my POV)
[14:25] <infinity> mdeslaur: But yeah, the problem is clearly a lack of sane ABI versioning on "samba-libs" and, thus, incorrectly weak deps between libnss-winbind and samba-libs.
[14:26] <infinity> mdeslaur: Doesn't look like something one can properly fix in an SRU, since the fix is to actually version the *#^)! libraries correctly.
[14:27] <mdeslaur> oh, right, new processes in that specific case
[14:27] <infinity> mdeslaur: But having samba-libs Break libnss-winbind << Binary-Version, and disable/reenable winbind on preinst/postinst would "work".  Though, gross.
[14:27] <mdeslaur> I thought I saw a bug where existing processes were crashing because of an incompatibility with a newer winbind service
[14:28] <infinity> Existing processes will also explode if they call into NSS fresh, NSS is effectively a dlopen().
[14:28] <infinity> But yeah, I consider dlopen "new processes" from the POV of hunting library ABI issues. :P
[14:28] <infinity> Otherwise my head hurts.
[14:28] <mdeslaur> hehe
[14:29] <infinity> Anyhow, any solution that halts upgrade with "we notice you have packages installed and you're actually using them correctly; please stop using them" is not sane.
[14:30] <infinity> If it can be automated to disable/reenable, that's vaguely okay, though if their setup relies on winbind resolution working, there's a gap there where the world sucks.
[14:30] <infinity> But better that than crashing, I suppose.
[14:30]  * infinity -> breakfast run.
[14:32] <mdeslaur> infinity: but what happens when an existing process is running with an old libnss-winbind, and the windbind package gets upgraded to a version that is not compatible with the old libnss-winbind?
[14:33] <mdeslaur> perhaps that's not a problematic scenario
[14:46] <infinity> mdeslaur: After taking a walk, it occurs to me that in the absence of proper library versioning, the more robust solution might just be for nss-winbind and pam-winbind to be statically linked to samba-libs.
[14:47] <infinity> mdeslaur: That would eliminate the problem, and have the added bonus of not having to pull in a massive samba-libs package just for the small bits that the nss/pam plugins need.
[14:48] <mdeslaur> hrm, that does sound reasonable
[14:48] <mdeslaur> infinity: please add your infinite widsom to the bug?
[14:48] <infinity> mdeslaur: I have a face full of breakfast.  Feel free to copy and paste. ;)
[14:50] <mdeslaur> ack
[14:53] <mdeslaur> infinity: thanks for your input
[15:28] <nacc> rbasak: thanks for the various MR reviews, will respond shortly
[15:43] <tinoco> mdeslaur: infinity: should i work on the statically linked pam-winbind version debdiff ?
[15:43] <tinoco> totally agree on being a better solution
[15:43] <infinity> tinoco: pam-winbind and nss-winbind.
[15:43] <mdeslaur> tinoco: perhaps file a debian bug also?
[15:44] <tinoco> definitely. the proposal was to bring the discussion only
[15:44] <infinity> tinoco: Only statically linked to samba-libs, of course.  You still want to be dynamically linked to any properly-versioned system libs (like libc).
[15:44] <tinoco> i wasn't supper happy about the approach either
[15:44] <tinoco> infinity: definitely. gotcha
[15:44] <tinoco> i'll work on it and provide a new sru suggestion
[15:44] <tinoco> tks!
[15:45] <infinity> tinoco: But yes, in the absence of properly-versioned samba libs, I don't see a better solution.
[15:45] <tinoco> infinity: yep, me neither. there would be always a time window for things to go bad
[15:45] <infinity> tinoco: The best solution would be for upstream to properly version all those little libs in samba-libs, and then break them out into individual packages.
[15:45] <infinity> tinoco: But I don't see that happening any time soon, if ever.
[15:46] <tinoco> ok. i'll document this for future reference (if they ever go that way)
[15:46] <tinoco> and will fix it on debian also
[15:46] <tinoco> tks infinity
[15:50] <infinity> tinoco: The "disable in samba-libs preinst, reenable in samba-libs postinst" approach would also work, but it's (a) potentially very brittle, and (b) likely next to impossible to do for pam-winbind (which probably suffers the same issue as nss-winbind).
[15:51] <tinoco> infinity: my hope was that pam-auth-update (or any other mean) could remove/re-add winbind to nsswitch
[15:51] <tinoco> but then.. if customer had a taylor made change of nsswitch.conf.. it would be no good
[15:51] <tinoco> other choice would be to remove.. but then, if user doing the installation was coming from NSS
[15:51] <tinoco> things would go bad also
[15:52] <infinity> tinoco: Right, nsswitch isn't too hard, but /etc/pam.d/* is an order of magnitude worse.
[15:52] <tinoco> just like you said before
[15:52] <tinoco> infinity: definitely
[15:52] <tinoco> i think statically compiling it for now is the best approach
[15:52] <tinoco> only way without dealing with infinitive possibilities coming from pam.d/nss
[15:53] <nacc> jbicha: re: php-horde-http (LP: #1594618), at least one of the two test failures in Ubuntu are skips in Debian; trying to figure out why
[15:54] <infinity> nacc: Differences in name resolution, perhaps?  (blind guess without looking at the failures)
[15:54] <nacc> infinity: yeah, i think that must be it (and why mdeslaur had patched the old version). But the older version was also failing :)
[15:54] <infinity> nacc: Debian buildds can generally resolve the world, even if they can't reach it.  Ubuntu buildds have a restricted bind view that won't even resolve outside names.
[15:54] <nacc> infinity: is it possible for me to reproduce exactly the env that it's used for autopkgtest?
[15:54] <infinity> nacc: Oh.  This is autopkgtest, not buildds?
[15:55] <infinity> nacc: In that case, ignore my above comment.  Out autopkgtest infra can resolve everything.
[15:55] <nacc> infinity: ok :)
[15:57] <infinity> nacc: Though, given mdeslaur's patch, it's possible the autopkgtest infra has a * entry for the base domain, which would be silly...
[15:57] <infinity> nacc: But this is what example.com is for.  doesnotexist.example.com would be a sane default for that test.
[15:59] <nacc> infinity: yep, agreed, it's just not obvious what exactly is failing from the current output :)
[15:59] <infinity> nacc: Indeed.  And even with the patch in play, those same two tests were failing before.
[15:59] <infinity> So, hrm.
[16:00] <nacc> infinity: yeah, it's confusing :) I am wondering if it's actually a deps issue; i'm going to see if we can sync a few of the pecl http packages and see if that fixes things
[16:01] <infinity> nacc: Those tests have been flaky forever, it seems.  I'm more confused about why they passed.  Exactly once.
[16:01] <nacc> infinity: agreed, it seems like that's really an outlier/fluke and we actually didn't fix anything :)
[16:04] <nacc> infinity: heh, that test passed, because we skipped the two failures
[16:04] <nacc> infinity: probably because php-curl was uninstallable transiently or something
[16:05] <nacc> infinity: same for peclhttp2 -- so was a false positive, of sorts (although matching Debian)
[16:12] <mdeslaur> stgraber, infinity, kees, slangasek: tech board?
[16:13] <nacc> infinity: hrm, strange! running locally, i get 'Assertions: 22, Skipped: 15'
[16:14] <infinity> mdeslaur: Wha... Did someone delete it from the calendar?
[16:16] <mdeslaur> which calendar is it supposed to be in?
[16:16] <infinity> mdeslaur: It was on the Fridge calendar, and we all had invites.  Seems it's been removed.  Grr.
[16:17] <mdeslaur> crap, I hope I didn't do that
[16:17] <infinity> mdeslaur: Is it likely that you might have? :P
[16:17] <mdeslaur> my thunderbird plugin went on a rampage a couple of weeks ago and killed a bunch of stuff
[16:18] <infinity> Oh my.
[16:18] <mdeslaur> but, hopefully I didn't have rights on that one
[16:18] <stgraber> oh, didn't get a notification for some reason
[16:18] <stgraber> well ^ may be the reason :)
[16:19] <mdeslaur> crud
[16:19] <mdeslaur> if it was me, sorry about that
[16:29] <infinity>    * linux: Implement secure boot state variables (LP: #1593075)
[16:29] <infinity>      - SAUCE: UEFI: Add secure boot and MOK SB State disabled sysctl
[16:29] <infinity> cyphermox: ^
[16:29] <infinity> cyphermox: That should have landed in -proposed, if you want to double-check that userspace matches.
[16:34] <cyphermox> xenial you mean?
[16:34] <infinity> cyphermox: yakkety would be a good start.
[16:34] <cyphermox> I uploaded shim-signed 1.15 for that
[16:35] <infinity> cyphermox: Ahh, shiny.  Then I'll validate the combination myself later and get back to you. :)
[16:36] <cyphermox> cool
[16:36] <cyphermox> I'm looking at precise and trusty atm; the stuff that was already in proposed
[17:26] <slangasek> mdeslaur: tech board > hmm why is it not on my calendar?
[17:26] <mdeslaur> slangasek: it got removed by mistake, possibly by me
[17:26] <slangasek> ah doh
[17:27] <mdeslaur> slangasek: infinity is adding it back
[22:16] <capum321> hello
[22:16] <capum321>  I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 ->  mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz
[22:29] <nacc> capum321: an unaltered source package?
[23:44] <capum321> hello
[23:44] <capum321> nacc:
[23:44] <capum321> are you there?
[23:45] <capum321> dan
[23:51] <nacc> capum321: hello
[23:52] <nacc> jbicha: hey, just tried to reply to you and gnome mail said 'mail forwarding loop' and rejected it?


[09:48] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:21] <icey> ahoy
[12:28] <teddy-dbear> o/
[18:39] <peaches> hola
[18:44] <teddy-dbear> o/


[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <dholbach> Laney, tumbleweed: if you still want to do the other session about "working in debian", could you please go and grab a slot soonish? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Timetable - HUGS :)
[08:06] <bkerensa> dholbach: Would be cool if Ubuntu Developer Week was a physical event... I surely could benefit from a week of development sessions :D
[08:07] <dholbach> haha, yes, that'd be nice
[10:11] <Laney> dholbach: yeah, sure
[10:11] <Laney> sorry that it's harder work for you this time around :(
[10:13] <dholbach> Laney, it's fine - I just want the schedule to be sorted out RSN, so I can still get in touch with some other Linux sites, so we get more participants this time - that's why I urge everyone a bit more than usual :)
[10:13]  * Laney goes cross-eyed looking at wiki markup
[10:13] <dholbach> Laney, I can help you with that if you tell me title and time :)
[10:13] <Laney> got it
[10:13] <dholbach> ok great
[10:13] <dholbach> :)
[10:14]  * dholbach hugs Laney and tumbleweed
[10:14] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[10:15] <bkerensa> =o
[10:47]  * tumbleweed supposes he should take on an extra session or two
[11:07] <tumbleweed> dholbach: what were you thinking about for the pbuilder / sbuild session? advanced usage & hooks
[11:08] <dholbach> maybe, yeah - maybe even some quick introduction about what the tools are, why they're useful, pros of each and how to generally use them
[11:08] <dholbach> I'd leave it up to you :)
[11:09] <tumbleweed> you do cover the basics in the intro, though?
[11:11] <dholbach> tumbleweed, I'm not quite sure how much time I'll have - I'll sure mention it and ask folks to setup a pbuilder in the getting set up session - in the past I almost never had the time for them to actually build a package
[11:11] <dholbach> but 2h in one sitting is probably as much as you can type non-stop :)
[11:11] <tumbleweed> and there I thought you were copying-and-pasting :P
[11:12] <dholbach> I did that the last time around and it helped a lot
[11:12] <tumbleweed> well, I asked around here, and people thought that was the most useful from your list of suggestions, so I'll snag a 30min slot for it
[11:12] <dholbach> but sometimes you can guess by the questions that you need to expand on a thought, etc
[11:12]  * dholbach hugs tumbleweed
[11:12] <dholbach> beers are on me next time we meet :)
[11:13] <dholbach> oh and my friend showed me pictures of his trip trip Cape town yesterday - it was beautiful
[11:13] <highvoltage> it still is :p
[11:13] <dholbach> a shame he didn't read my mail in time to come to your LUG meeting
[11:13] <tumbleweed> unfortunatly rather hot recently
[11:13] <dholbach> highvoltage, ok, I meant the pics were beautiful :-P
[11:14]  * highvoltage just wanted to chime in :)
[11:14] <dholbach> highvoltage, hey, you could chime in with a session you're giving! :-)
[11:15] <dholbach> highvoltage, how about a 30m demo of Edubuntu and what's cooking there? :)
[11:15] <highvoltage> dholbach: tumbleweed has already been putting some pressure on me to do that. I guess I might just do that!
[11:16] <tumbleweed> heh
[11:16] <highvoltage> (and just last night I decided to say 'no' to more things)
[11:17] <tumbleweed> dholbach: I can probably extend the pbuilder session to an hour if the schedule stays empty (going into sbuild if I run out of material)
[11:18] <dholbach> highvoltage, sorry, I didn't mean to browbeat you into something
[11:18] <dholbach> highvoltage, maybe some of your Edubuntu friends would be interested?
[11:19] <highvoltage> dholbach: nah, not at all. I fullheartedly want to
[11:19]  * dholbach hugs highvoltage
[11:19] <highvoltage> *hugs*
[11:19] <highvoltage> I just need to find ways to be more time-efficient (it's hard)
[11:20] <dholbach> THAT's a session we should have at UDW :)
[11:20] <dholbach> or two
[11:21] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: I need a session on how to actually get a thesis done when there is so much fun OSS stuff to do
[11:22] <highvoltage> yeah I bought a bunch of e-books on time management and how tobe more efficient when doing creative kind of work. but I haven't had the time to read them yet :)
[11:22] <tumbleweed> :)
[11:22] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: ah I thought you were very near to the end
[11:22] <tumbleweed> time wise, that doesn't mean progress-wise
[11:22] <Laney> th...e...sis?
[11:23] <tumbleweed> the.... ooh, look, bugs!
[12:44] <dholbach> Laney, nice work on LP!
[12:44] <Laney> :-)
[12:45] <Laney> was quite fun actually
[12:45] <Laney> and to think it was all to make nigelb proud!
[12:46] <dholbach> Laney, I guess there won't be a way to fix historic data, right?
[12:46] <Laney> sadly not, as it wasn't stored anywhere
[12:46] <dholbach> I thought so
[12:47] <dholbach> but at least it's fixed from now on :)
[12:47] <Laney> unless you want to trawl through bugs and do it manually :P
[12:47] <dholbach> or well, when it landed
[12:47] <dholbach> yeah, I great way to spend a lazy sunday afternoon
[12:47] <dholbach> or 1500 lazy sunday afternoons
[12:47] <Laney> heh
[12:47] <dholbach> :)
[12:48] <Laney> different definitions of 'great' possibly …
[12:48] <dholbach> I guess it depends on how great your other lazy sunday afternoons are :)
[12:48] <Laney> sunday afternoon is the afternoon for making soup
[13:20] <nigelb> Laney: lol
[13:35] <Laney> nigelb: do you know how often production is upgraded?
[13:36] <nigelb> Laney: No, but this will help figuring out http://lpqateam.canonical.com/qa-reports/deployment-stable.html
[13:36] <Laney> yeah I know that. It tells me what but not *when*
[13:36] <nigelb> right now, nothing's blocking deployment
[13:36] <nigelb> So, soon.
[13:37] <Laney> like I don't know if it's a once a month thing or whatever
[13:37] <Laney> dev.lp is hiding the goods somewhere, but I can't find out where
[13:37] <Laney> ah well /me carries on being impatient ...
[13:38] <nigelb> Laney: Its not once a month.
[13:38] <nigelb> its several times a week.
[13:38] <Laney> sweet
[13:40] <Laney> 14700 was friday
[13:41] <nigelb> When did everything get QA'd?
[13:42] <nigelb> (I'm guessing some time today)
[13:42] <Laney> dunno
[13:42] <Laney> I don't mind waiting, was just wondering how frequent it is
[13:47] <nigelb> Laney: except for db patches, which you have wait since there's only one window at a time, everything eelse is fairly fast after qa-ok.
[13:47] <nigelb> the only trouble is, all revisions in the stack before yours need to be qa-ok as well.
[13:47] <Laney> righto
[14:17] <l3on> hey guys
[14:17] <l3on> I have this unmetdep:
[14:17] <l3on> Package: live-config-sysvinit
[14:17] <l3on> Version: 3.0~a22-1ubuntu1
[14:17] <l3on> Missing: sysvinit (>= 2.86)
[14:17] <l3on> the problem is in ubuntu sysvinit does not exist, but we have:
[14:17] <l3on> Binary: sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts
[14:17] <l3on> I'm going to change that, which package do you suggest ?
[14:18] <l3on> I think initscripts should be fine, 'cause depends on the others two
[14:19] <tumbleweed> seeing as Ubuntu uses upstart, why do we need that binary package?
[14:20] <l3on> maybe someone would use sysvinit ?
[14:20] <tumbleweed> if we don't have sysvinit, how could they? :)
[14:21] <l3on> but we have : sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc, initscripts
[14:21] <l3on> that come from sysvinit source
[14:21] <Laney> we don't have sysvinit itself
[14:22] <l3on> yes now I see
[14:22] <l3on> ok.. so, drop that package ?
[14:22] <l3on> I mean → Package: live-config-sysvinit
[14:22] <tumbleweed> or just leave it as uninstallable (but we are already patching it, so might as well dropit)
[14:24]  * l3on tries to drop it
[14:30] <tumbleweed> we could use a better document for referring people to when they ask "what can I do for Ubuntu" (/me tries to avoid writing it)
[14:30] <valterstr> :D
[14:30] <valterstr> about me?
[14:30] <tumbleweed> in general, but yes
[14:31] <valterstr> so... the question, what can I start with?
[14:31] <valterstr> bug tracker?
[14:32] <tumbleweed> my usual suggestion is to pick a relatively obscure and un-cared-for package that you use, and tidy it up
[14:32] <valterstr> will look into that...
[14:33] <tumbleweed> (by tidy it up, I mean look through the bugtracker, see if we have applied patches that haven't been forwarded upstream, etc)
[14:33] <valterstr> i understand
[14:33] <valterstr> so, in general, look for older bugs that have fixes that have not been merged?
[14:34] <valterstr> launchpad changed bug page interface recently?
[14:34] <tumbleweed> review operation cleansweep patches? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep
[14:34] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:34] <l3on> since I'm going to propose a merge for live-config, someone would take a look to this ? bug 913874
[14:35] <tumbleweed> valterstr: you can pretty much ask any questions in here and should get help (sometimes after several hours, if it's quiet)
[14:35] <valterstr> ok.
[14:35] <valterstr> thanks.
[14:35] <valterstr> I will start looking through the bug tracker then.
[14:36] <tumbleweed> harvest.ubuntu.com also aggregates things that should be looked at
[14:36] <valterstr> also, the "pushing upstream through sponsor" thing. could you please explain it in more detail?
[14:36] <tumbleweed> !sponsorship
[14:36] <tumbleweed> err, maybe not
[14:36] <tumbleweed> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[14:37] <valterstr> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/SeekingSponsorship
[14:37] <valterstr> but do I do it like that for the changes I do or is there another process I should do?
[14:40] <tumbleweed> valterstr: that process works
[14:40] <valterstr> ok
[14:40] <valterstr> tumbleweed: big thanks for the help
[14:52] <Laney> nigelb: oh, r14713 (Get the code!)
[14:52] <Laney> !!!
[14:52] <nigelb> \m/
[14:52] <nigelb> omgomgomg
[14:53] <Laney> ssssssssssssswwwwwwweeeeeeeeettttttttt
[14:53] <tumbleweed> hah
[14:54] <tumbleweed> Laney: will you sort out lp-udd.py ?
[14:54] <Laney> yus
[14:54] <Laney> sponsor something so i can test it :P
[14:54] <nigelb> Laney's all charged up today. He can do *anything* you ask him to do.
[14:54] <Laney> gotta submit this paper review
[14:54]  * tumbleweed looks for a nice gnarly lp bug
[14:54] <Laney> or ELSE
[15:00] <Laney> tumbleweed: nah, next fix should be ui for this
[15:01] <tumbleweed> yes, that'd be nice
[15:02] <Laney> and not too hard
[15:03] <Laney> want to do the python-markdown sync? could be ok but you'd know better
[15:03]  * tumbleweed looks
[15:04] <tumbleweed> probably safe, I'll do it
[15:04] <Laney> sweet
[15:06] <tumbleweed> can't be synced yte. importer is out of date
[15:07] <Laney> bah
[15:52] <l3on> hey guys... looking at bug 783568 mdeslaur suggests me to use a different notation for the version.. but I'm not clear a thing about oneiric ... also it need a ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> version ?
[15:52] <l3on> sorry, ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:57] <micahg> l3on: yes
[16:02] <l3on_> mmm...
[16:02] <l3on_> I mean, in oneiric should be ubuntu1 .. no ?
[16:02] <l3on_> considering precise has a new version of gdevilspie
[16:03] <micahg> l3on_: no
[16:04] <micahg> ubuntu1 should only be used in the devel release
[16:05] <l3on_> ah ok :) thanks micahg
[16:09] <l3on_> ok, branches updated... micahg could you take a look ? :)
[16:10] <micahg> l3on_: non-security stuff, sure, I'll take a look when I pilot a bit later if that's ok
[16:10] <l3on_> thanks
[17:25] <jtaylor> l3on: shogun was "fixed" can you update the merge? also check if the hdf5 stuff is ok
[17:25] <jtaylor> btw is there interest in getting the hdf5 transition done in precise too?
[17:26] <jtaylor> would be nice as it includes a couple new helper commands which would ease backporting, but the status does not look very good yet
[17:26] <jtaylor> also updating science stuff always takes ages :/
[17:29] <tumbleweed> science stuff tends to be big an dclunky
[17:29]  * tumbleweed needs to set up something like this for the bugs I file http://blog.gerv.net/2012/01/outstanding-requests-in-bugzilla/
[17:31] <Laney> hdf5 is having problems
[17:31] <tumbleweed> otoh, opencv seems to be going well
[17:32] <jtaylor> can I sync stuff that does not exist in ubuntu yet?
[17:32] <jtaylor> I want to have dh_linktree :)
[17:32] <tumbleweed> yes
[17:32] <jtaylor> now review necessary?
[17:32] <tumbleweed> it'll go to NEW, yes
[17:33] <jtaylor> automacially if I use syncpackage?
[17:33] <tumbleweed> yup
[17:33] <jtaylor> nice
[17:33] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snort/+bug/889721 <-- Upstream had a interesting response
[17:34] <tumbleweed> bkerensa: yeah, upstreams don't understand how we work
[17:34] <micahg> jtaylor: dh_linktree was already sync'd by cjwatson
[17:34] <jtaylor> oh good
[17:35] <bkerensa> tumbleweed: Yeah he also e-mailed me and thanked me but essentially also assigned blame to both Debian and Ubuntu for not keeping up with Upstream heh
[17:38] <cjwatson> well, dh_linktree still needs binary NEW - I'll do that now
[19:02] <Rhonda> interesting that someone files a sync request for wesnoth-1.9 when I am preparing wesnoth-1.10 :)
[19:02] <micahg> that's why I subscribed you :)
[19:02] <Rhonda> Ah, you subscribed me. I wonder why it appeared in my mailbox :)
[19:04] <micahg> launchpad should tell you why you got it
[19:04] <micahg> although I think that message is delayed a bit
[19:06] <Rhonda> You have been subscribed to a public bug:
[19:06] <jtaylor> anyone knowlegable about fonts?
[19:06] <Rhonda> micahg: but it doesn't tell by whom.
[19:06] <micahg> oh, it used to say by whom
[19:06] <Rhonda> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to wesnoth in Ubuntu.
[19:07] <Rhonda> And that is in the footer.
[19:11] <Rhonda> micahg: marked it as wontfix, guess thats acceptable with the reasoning I wrote :)
[19:12]  * Rhonda . o O ( being able to do so on my own without having to ask someone else is the good thing about being a MOTU :) )
[19:13] <micahg> yep
[19:13] <micahg> well, it'll still need to be NEW processed, but as long as it's in Debian, that qualifies as the initial package review
[19:16] <Rhonda> Sure
[19:17] <Rhonda> One of the reason I keep 1.9 in my PPA is, the last 1.9.14 release is extremely close to the 1.10 release, thus I don't expect any FTBFS or similar issues with it. :)
[19:18] <Rhonda> There are just bug fixes and translation updates in between, but 1.9.14 was string frozen and feature frozen (I think feature freeze was upstream at 1.9.10 or such already)
[19:22] <jtaylor> the new launchpad is not working so great :(
[19:22] <jtaylor> constantly oops not found errors
[19:24] <l3on> hello there.. where I can find some statistic for precise ?
[19:24] <jtaylor> what kind of statistics?
[19:25] <l3on> packages, bugs closed, what else ?
[19:25] <l3on> merges, syncs,
[19:28] <tumbleweed> l3on: you can find some things here: http://qa.ubuntu.com/report-list/
[19:32] <jtaylor> interesting blcr-dkms is in the top 10 most duplicates
[19:32] <jtaylor> apparently many use it, but there is no patch for this issue since 3.0 kernels
[19:35] <l3on> thanks :)
[19:35] <tumbleweed> I also have graphs of ftbfs packages and upload counts, but that's about it
[20:08] <l3on> tumbleweed, can I see that ? :)
[20:09] <tumbleweed> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/
[20:10] <Laney> what a day for the debian package importer to be broken >:(
[20:10] <tumbleweed> :)
[20:18] <l3on> beautiful tumbleweed
[20:18] <l3on> .:D
[20:18] <l3on> maybe some numbers could help :)
[20:19] <tumbleweed> they're all there in the js :P
[20:19] <l3on> can I checkout the code? :)
[20:19] <tumbleweed> yes
[20:19] <tumbleweed> and if you have access to alioth, you can mine that kind of thing yourself
[20:37] <tumbleweed> l3on: do we know what's wrong with the importer?
[20:37] <tumbleweed> err Laney
[20:37] <l3on> tumbleweed, what do you think about some tooltip/popup ?
[20:37] <Laney> something fell over with ftp.uk.debain.org
[20:37] <Laney> ian
[20:38] <l3on> something like → http://jqueryfordesigners.com/coda-popup-bubbles/
[20:38] <Laney> which is where it pulls from
[20:38] <tumbleweed> l3on: for what?
[20:38] <l3on> for top 50 uploaders
[20:39] <l3on> just to know how many packages for instance
[20:39] <tumbleweed> one of the reports already has tooltips, it'd make sense to use the same library (unless it sucks)
[20:39] <l3on> which one ?
[20:39] <l3on> I mean, which one report ?
[20:40] <tumbleweed> I can't remember, and I can't see it :)
[20:41] <l3on> lol
[20:42] <Laney> 23/01 15:57:04 <Sledge> themill: looks like mirroring is broken somewhere upstream of free
[20:42] <Laney> 23/01 15:57:19 <Sledge> I'm getting that looked at now, and also doing a manual sync
[20:42] <Laney> free = box with mirror
[20:42] <Laney> 23/01 15:57:37 <Sledge> DNS will be updated shortly to point elsewhere in the meantime
[20:43] <tumbleweed> l3on: aah, ftbfs
[20:44] <l3on> :)
[20:45] <tumbleweed> anyway, patches welcome. Shout if you want me to move one of those +junk branches into a lp project, for easier merge requests
[20:46] <l3on> we'll see, I'm not sure that what I want is easly to do :)
[20:46] <l3on> *easy
[20:49] <tumbleweed> flot.js alreday has some hover support: http://people.iola.dk/olau/flot/examples/tracking.html
[21:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: we appear to have imports
[21:53] <Laney> good ones?
[21:53] <tumbleweed> they'd better not be bad :)
[21:54] <Laney> not sure i can see any syncs on precise-changes
[21:55]  * tumbleweed just did one
[21:55] <Laney> sponsored?
[21:55] <tumbleweed> no, coming up now
[21:55] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-January/007903.html ? seems all you
[21:55] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:57] <tumbleweed> barry: still intend to build pypy in a ppa that has arm, or should I just sync it?
[21:57] <Laney> not sponsored then?
[21:57] <Laney> sponsor it to someone if you do it :P
[21:58] <tumbleweed> Laney: syncing python-markdown, sponsored
[21:58] <Laney> oh, it woke up?
[21:58] <Laney> good stuff
[21:58] <barry> tumbleweed: ah, last week i was trying to build it on my arm box, but honestly, i probably won't get to it now.  sync it i guess ;)
[21:58] <tumbleweed> commit myself to making it work before release :)
[22:00] <Laney> In [2]: ubuntu_archive.getPublishedSources(source_name='python-markdown', distro_series=lp.distributions['ubuntu'].current_series, exact_match=True)[0].sponsor
[22:00] <Laney> Out[2]: <person at https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~stefanor>
[22:00] <tumbleweed> oh, ScottK sorry, didn't seeyou assigned yourself to that
[22:05] <ScottK> tumbleweed: As long as it's done.  I was just waiting for it to appear.
[22:09] <Laney> tumbleweed: select source, version, changed_by, signed_by from ubuntu_upload_history where source = 'python-markdown' and version = '2.1.0-1';
[22:09] <Laney> :-)
[22:09] <tumbleweed> :)
[22:11] <Laney> it is nice going end-to-end like that


[06:00] <hiatus> am i missing something or does the app categories not show up with the latest version of ubuntu?
[08:38] <njin> Hallo, can someone manage bug 1001976 ? is not the first time that i see reported problems with citrix, but I don't know what is it. thanks
[10:27] <jussi> Is it possible to get legacy scrollbars back?
[10:35] <seb128> jussi, try to LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 yourcommand?
[10:37] <jussi> seb128: thats a fair hassel - Im currently on KDE using a couple of GTK apps, which Id like to have scrollbars same as my kde apps
[10:37] <seb128> jussi, well set it in your session environment?
[10:37] <jussi> seb128: sounds good - how would I do that?
[10:37] <scriptwarlock> is a sudden of transfer/change of workspace to a certain app that occupies most of the desktop space horizontally is by design?
[10:38] <seb128> jussi, dunno, I don't use KDE
[10:38] <jussi> seb128: ok, thanks anyway
[10:40] <seb128> jussi, you can try to gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars false
[10:40] <seb128> should work as well
[10:41] <scriptwarlock> is a sudden transfer/change of workspace to a certain app that occupies most of the desktop (or in minimize mode) space horizontally is by design?
[10:41] <jussi> seb128: ahh that works, thank you
[10:41] <seb128> jussi, yw
[15:12] <tsdgeos> didrocks: ping
[15:13] <didrocks> hey tsdgeos
[15:13] <tsdgeos> didrocks: hey, did you do the stuff that shows the nautilus favorites in the nautilus quicklist?
[15:13] <tsdgeos> found a blog that claims you did
[15:13] <didrocks> tsdgeos: indeed
[15:13] <tsdgeos> but you can't trust the interwebs these days :D
[15:14] <didrocks> heh :)
[15:14] <tsdgeos> didrocks: there's a bug in which if the folder is called foo_bar
[15:14] <tsdgeos> it things _ is the "underline stuff"
[15:14] <tsdgeos> so you get foobar with b underlined
[15:14] <tsdgeos> didrocks: if you point me where to look at i'd like to try to fix it
[15:14] <didrocks> ah interesting :)
[15:15] <didrocks> yeah, one sec, take the ubuntu nautilus branch
[15:15] <tsdgeos> probably some gtk thing creeping in
[15:15] <didrocks> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/nautilus/ubuntu
[15:15] <didrocks> should be gtk I'm afraid
[15:15] <didrocks> let me look, one sec
[15:17] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I would say the bug is in dbusmenu
[15:17] <tsdgeos> oki
[15:17] <tsdgeos> i'll have a look at both
[15:17] <tsdgeos> tx for the pointers
[15:18] <didrocks> I pass the bookmark content straight from the one shown in nautilus sidebar
[15:18] <didrocks> tsdgeos: see debian/patches/12_unity_launcher_support.patch
[15:19] <seb128> tsdgeos, didrocks: bug #961129 might need to be undupped, it was marked as duplicate of a bug that got fixed before precise, if that's still an issue it might turns out it was not a dup and should be changed back
[15:20] <didrocks> thanks for the pointer seb128, tsdgeos you maybe want to keep that one in mind
[15:20] <tsdgeos> yep
[15:20] <tsdgeos> there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/961170 too
[15:48] <MGandTL> 'afternoon all. I'm running quantal, and I'd like to build unity and get started, but I've got a problem with dependencies: http://paste.ubuntu.com/999250/ - the current version of libboost is 1.49
[15:49] <tsdgeos> didrocks: are you sure it's not expected dbusmenu behaviour? because dbusmenu-qt has code that converts _ to &, so it seems to be the designed behaviour that _ is the marker for underlining in dbusmenu
[15:50] <tsdgeos> or at least the dbusmenu-qt implementator though so
[15:50] <didrocks> tsdgeos: it is, but I'm not sure how it should be treated then when you want an underscore to be an undescore
[15:50] <didrocks> tsdgeos: does __ works? (2 underscore)
[15:51] <tsdgeos> didrocks: yep
[15:51] <tsdgeos> well
[15:51] <tsdgeos> "works" as in
[15:51] <didrocks> tsdgeos: so maybe change the nautilus quicklist patch to replace _ with __?
[15:51] <tsdgeos> i get foo_bar in the quicklist when the folder is called foo__bar
[15:51] <tsdgeos> didrocks: makes sense to me
[15:52] <didrocks> that should do it ;)
[15:52] <tsdgeos> ok, will code the patch
[15:52] <didrocks> thanks tsdgeos
[15:52] <tsdgeos> tomorrow, getting close to my eod
[15:52] <tsdgeos> like 5 min away from it
[16:12] <MGandTL> Can anyone tell me how to fix the dependency problem and build unity?
[16:14] <mhall119> MGandTL: did you build Nux first?
[16:15] <MGandTL> ...nope. Didn't have on precise, so I assumed I didn't have to.
[16:16] <mhall119> MGandTL: I've been told it's usually a good idea
[16:16] <MGandTL> Even so, I presume that to do that I would have to get nux, which depends upon an old version of lobboost.
[16:16] <MGandTL> *libboost
[16:16] <mhall119> MGandTL: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/#build-nux
[16:16] <MGandTL> thanks, will read that.
[16:17] <greyback> MGandTL: I'm a fan of this doc http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source
[16:18] <MGandTL> http://paste.ubuntu.com/999250/
[16:18] <MGandTL> I should clarify-I know how to, but I can't install dependencies.
[16:18] <MGandTL> but thanks for the advide. :D
[16:19] <greyback> MGandTL: sorry I didn't read up. What version of libboost1.46-dev have you installed?
[16:20] <mhall119> MGandTL: that should all be condensed into http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/ now
[16:20] <MGandTL> np. I haven't. apt-get build-dep fails as I've got 1.49
[16:21] <MGandTL> I can manually install 1.46...but shouldn't the depency be on the most recent version, or a specific version?
[16:21] <MGandTL> thanks mhall119.
[16:22] <mhall119> np
[16:24] <MGandTL> stuff it, I'll install 1.46. Thanks for the help everyone!
[16:28] <greyback> MGandTL: sorry that's all I can recommend. the package build-depends explicitly requires 1.46
[16:28] <MGandTL> greyback, no problem. I gathered. ;)
[16:29] <greyback> MGandTL: well good luck with the build!
[16:30] <MGandTL> ...uh-oh. Build errors, looks like somewhere in boost. Oh well, thanks for your time. This evening's job. :D Thanks for the help again greyback.
[16:30] <greyback> MGandTL: np
[17:05] <Roshan> hello everyone,
[17:05] <ais523> hi
[17:05] <Roshan> i hav an idea that ask for more consistency
[17:06] <Roshan> can we extend non-active behaviour to windows title bar?
[17:06] <Roshan> both in active and inactive windows, the color of titlebar and border is same
[17:08] <ais523> hmm, that might just be a feature of the theme, because I'm reasonably sure that Compiz can do that already
[17:08] <ais523> so it might just be a case of finding where inactive title bar color is set in the theme and changing it
[17:09] <Roshan> ais523, oh..thanx..
[17:09] <Roshan> just hope that the upstream devs noticed it
[17:11] <Roshan> ais523 , which color caould bmake a better consistency , given the color in active windows is black?
[17:11] <Roshan> ais523, is ubuntu 12.10 go for a new theme??
[17:12] <ais523> probably a lighter shade of gray is usual
[17:12] <ais523> I'm not in charge of theming (or anything else), so can't really tell you about any plans that might not be there (I'm not an Ubuntu developer)
[17:12] <Roshan> ok..me too..:)
[17:13] <Roshan> and still dreaming of a Ubuntu dev one day:)
[17:14] <Roshan> ais523, do u know how to make GTK+3 theme?
[17:15] <ais523> no
[17:17] <Roshan> Quit
[23:59] <bobweaver> Hello there could I ask a newbie question plz What are some of the tools  that you all use to develop unity scopes and lens ? Are there any gui tools ? Would qtdesign work ? Or I guess my question is what are your fav. programs to write unity lens plugins and daemon's in ? thanks for your time.


[15:06] <cpaelzer> doko: cyphermox: I always miss this meeting just to realize I had something to discuss
[15:06] <cpaelzer> I'd ask you for your experience on bug 1814500
[15:06] <cpaelzer> if you read through it it would add a "new" pyethon2 dependency - but new is in quotes because it is already a py2 dependency (beautifulsoup4) just seperated now
[15:07] <cpaelzer> this needs openstack to let go of python2 completely
[15:07] <cpaelzer> so I wonder - is this a MIR blocker (adding new py2 deps) or is it ok since it was formerly in main and transitioning openstack off of py2 canÄt be the task of that MIR