[08:19] <cgriff> dariusH: \o
[08:20] <cgriff> D'oh, didn't seee your timeout message
[10:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:53] <cgriff> Bore da
[10:54] <brobostigon> helo cgriff
[10:56] <cgriff> Shwmae?
[11:04] <brobostigon> cgriff: one is,  greeting, the other is how i am ?
[11:06] <cgriff> Bore da - Good day
[11:06] <brobostigon> ah.
[11:06] <cgriff> Shwmae = sut mae = how is it /  how goes things
[11:06] <cgriff> Shwmae can be a greeting and or question
[11:06] <brobostigon> that was kinda what i thought.
[11:07] <brobostigon> i am still learning,
[11:07] <cgriff> Good on you
[11:08] <cgriff> I know an Englishman studying Welsh in his free time in University
[11:08] <cgriff> He's on the Politics course with me
[11:08] <brobostigon> cgriff: i started when chris, who founded this loco group, to help here,
[11:08] <cgriff> brobostigon: I am chris / ianto ;)
[11:09] <brobostigon> cgriff: huh.?, oh dear, sorry, you have changed your thingie, balls.
[11:09] <cgriff> :p
[11:10] <cgriff> I don't know if I told you but I'm no longer a Swift
[11:10] <brobostigon> no, you didnt.
[11:10] <cgriff> markjones: I still have your jumper from last year
[11:11] <cgriff> Heh well I've been Griffiths since March
[11:11] <markjones> cgriff: give it to me in Janurary
[11:12] <brobostigon> cgriff: ah, i will and remember.
[11:12] <markjones> planning on how to get to Aber from Abergele
[11:15] <cgriff> markjones: Train?
[11:16] <markjones> cgriff: its not cheap!
[11:21] <cgriff> markjones: Check teh wiki for transport info
[11:24] <cgriff> markjones: http://hedyn.net/wici/Hacio'r_Iaith_Ionawr_2012_-_Llety_a_theithio
[11:28] <markjones> nothing much listed
[11:28] <markjones> if needs be I'll go across to Bangor and get the X32 down
[11:32] <cgriff> Btw if you're desperate I can accommodate you if you have a sleeping bag or something on my floor but I dunno if Natalie'd be allowed or would even fit in my room too


[00:42] <Seeker`> what si the policy wrt advertising channels?
[00:44]  * Seeker` prods topyli
[00:44]  * topyli feels the prod
[00:44]  * Seeker` points to his question
[00:45] <topyli> not sure, but i would say it depends on the relevance of the channel
[00:45]  * Seeker` points to Sir whatever in -ot
[00:45] <topyli> if someone advertises a totally random or irrelevant channel, it's not acceptable
[00:47] <topyli> Seeker`: thanks, i missed it totally
[00:47] <Seeker`> I can do something about it if it is against the rules, I just didn't know if it is or not
[00:49] <topyli> oh i don't know if there's a rule. there's a consensus that it's not nice
[00:49] <topyli> personally i only have the no-asshat rule and don't really care about anything else
[00:49] <Seeker`> fair enough :)
[01:12] <Flannel> Seeker`: I'm not sure a ban would be appropriate?
[01:12] <Flannel> remove the bot, ask him about it, etc.  ban on sight was sort of odd
[01:12] <Seeker`> topyli told him that if he brings his bot in to the channel, both he and the bot would be banned
[01:12] <Flannel> Ah
[01:12] <Flannel> Alright then!
[01:13] <Flannel> I feel awkward for what I said.  Wasn't really thinking that he'd be banned as well, heh.
[01:13] <topyli> Flannel: let him know it's not cool, and if he does it, remove
[01:13] <Flannel> that is, his host.
[01:13] <Flannel> topyli: I didn't do it, as I have no -ot access.  Blame Seeker`
[01:14] <topyli> oh i didn't notice, was a way from the channel
[01:15] <topyli> he was warned, he can complain if not happy
[01:16] <Seeker`> I have removed the ban
[01:17] <topyli> Seeker`: aye, that's long enough
[01:22] <LjL> one question, three wrong answers
[01:23] <Seeker`> mmm?
[01:34] <elky> opping doesnt cut through ignore anymore? :(
[01:35] <Seeker`> it used to?
[01:35] <elky> yeah
[01:35] <elky> ignore me now, lets test
[01:35] <elky> you have to let me know
[01:35] <Flannel> How can it if ignore is done on the clientside?
[01:36] <Seeker`> do I have to
[01:36] <Flannel> oh, ignores on the serverside
[01:36] <Seeker`> Flannel can test it
[01:36] <Flannel> I dun wanna ignore you!
[01:36] <elky> Flannel, doing /ignore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is serverside afaik.
[01:36] <Flannel> elky: yeah, that's likely.
[01:37] <elky> sigh.
[01:37] <Flannel> How do I ignore anyway?
[01:39] <elky> /ignore nickname
[01:39] <Flannel> wouldn't that be clientside?
[01:39] <elky> not as far as i know.
[01:39] <elky> that's what we're going to test.
[01:40] <Flannel> Ah
[01:40] <Flannel> in irssi /ignore is clientside, /silence is serverside
[01:40] <elky> ah
[01:41] <Flannel> it also only affects queries and invites, apparently.
[01:41] <Flannel> Quoth the /help
[02:07] <Flannel> LjL: erm, first contact with a person should not be an ops call.
[02:31] <Seeker`> g
[02:31] <Seeker`> night
[02:50] <elky> Flannel, ljl is not an op anymore. he is a user. users are not expected to clean up.
[02:51] <Flannel> elky: Erm, yes they are.
[02:51] <elky> no, users are not expected to clean up after other users.
[02:51] <Flannel> Just because you're an op doesn't make you magically have no sway in the way a channel behaves.
[02:52] <Flannel> Correct.  But his first course of action should be to inform person of said spam, or even say "stop" not call the ops.
[02:52] <Flannel> For all he knew, the other guy had no idea what he was doing.
[02:52] <elky> Flannel, one person had already been ignored by plexus. him trying would onluy have been a waste of time
[02:52] <Flannel> Er, other person said "?"
[02:53] <Flannel> Which, for all we knew, could've been seen by plexus as a response to a question he (thought he) was asking, or whatever.
[02:53] <Flannel> LjL had no business calling ops at that point, should have instead addressed said user.
[02:53] <elky> no, the other person said "<cgkades> PleXuS: what are you doing?" and received '<?xml' in return
[02:54] <Flannel> No, didn't have *any* response
[02:54] <Flannel> And then ops was called
[02:54] <elky> precisely. what makes you think a different word was going to get a different response?
[02:54] <Flannel> Because 'what are you doing' doesn't mean "stop doing it"
[02:55] <elky> Flannel, it can, particuarly in circumstances like that.
[02:55] <Flannel> If you want it to, yes.
[02:55] <elky> Flannel, it's like when a mother catches her kid with his hand in the cookie jar.
[02:55] <Flannel> But only if you already know what's going on.
[02:56] <elky> and we could see what was already going on
[02:56] <Flannel> LjL shouldn't have called ops so prematurely, that's all there is to it.
[02:56] <Flannel> Because we don't want our users calling ops without first trying to address the issues.
[02:56] <elky> ljl called the ops appropriately.
[02:56] <Flannel> operator intervention is not the first step in problem resolution.
[02:57] <elky> and it was not.
[02:57] <Flannel> If you take that stance, you're going to overload your operators.
[02:57] <Flannel> Yes it was
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < PleXuS> <?xml
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < cgkades> PleXuS: what are you doing?
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < LjL> !ops | PleXuS
[02:57] <Flannel> "what are you doing" without a response, and then ops
[02:57] <elky> i see it differently. much differently
 PleXuS: what are you doing?
 <?xml
 <?xml
 !ops | PleXuS
[02:57] <elky> you might want to investigate your lag.
[02:58] <Flannel> Perhaps you should investigate yours.
[02:58] <Flannel> Geez
[02:58] <Flannel> Get off the holier-than-thou attitude.
[02:58] <elky> get off yours.
[02:59] <Flannel> All I was saying is that it might not be *me* lagging.
[02:59] <Flannel> But, whatever.
[05:01] <Madpilot> ick, I'm connected thru card.freenode.net. Orson Scott Card is such a wingnut, I feel dirty...
[05:10] <Flannel> So, reconnect!
[06:39] <elky> i think he missed the 're' bit.
[06:53] <Flannel> darn those latin roots
[08:57] <ubuntu> hi
[08:57] <ubuntu> How do I repair/fix my MBR, after I've recovered partitions using TestDisk?
[09:00] <elky> !mbr
[09:01] <elky> meanwhile, you're not entitled to use us for support just because you're banned.
[09:01] <ubuntu> I recovered my partitions with testdisk. Now I can't mount my recovered NTFS partition. Any suggestions?
[09:02] <ikonia> ubuntu is panarchy
[09:02] <ikonia> panarchy go away
[09:02] <elky> ikonia, i know he is.
[09:02] <ikonia> yes, but I want him to know - I know
[09:03] <ikonia> panarchy - please leave the channel
[09:03] <elky> ubuntu, please use ubuntuforums.org in the future. we have not got the time to deal with your issues.
[09:04] <elky> ubuntu, please leave this channel now.
[09:05] <ikonia> I'm speaking to freenode about this guy - it's getting stupid
[09:05] <ubuntu> Sorry guys, just checked this channel now
[09:05] <ikonia> how much of a network pain does this guy need to be before he's removed AGAIN
[09:05] <elky> chip, we're not stupid.
[09:05] <ubuntu> I'm using a LiveCD and I manually installed xChat. Which is why my username is the default
[09:05] <Panarchy> Is that better?
[09:05] <ikonia> I don't care about your nick
[09:06] <Panarchy> There, identify and changed
[09:06] <ikonia> I don't care , it makes no difference
[09:06] <elky> you're still banned from our support channels. you may not misuse us in the meantime.
[09:08] <elky> Panarchy, for the last time, please leave this channel.
[09:08] <ikonia> elky: I'm just going to speak to freenode staff now, it's the same old joke in many channels with him
[09:08] <ikonia> fed up of wasting time with this
[09:09] <Panarchy> ok
[09:10] <elky> ikonia, which other channels?
[09:10] <ikonia> he's been flooding / cross-posting AGAIN all week
[09:10] <ikonia> jonathanD has banned him about 5 - 6 channels
[09:11] <ikonia> ##windows ##windows-server ##windows-programming ##winapi at least, the ##c++ guys have muted him, ##programming is fed up with him
[09:11] <ikonia> the list is endless
[09:11] <elky> christel, please look above.
[09:11] <elky> he even has a static ip. it's like fish in a barrel.
[09:11] <ikonia> he's started using his work IP (naughty) to get around some of the bans (I've updated the ban in #ubuntu channels
[09:12] <jussi01> awww, ikonia's pet has been by again...
[09:13] <elky> jussi01, you're not in the UK still, are you?
[09:13] <ikonia> it's such a waste of time
[09:13] <jussi01> elky: nope
[09:13] <elky> good, you might be safe from being stabbed :P
[09:13] <jussi01> hehe
[09:13] <Gary> I'm in the UK, should I be scared of stabbing then?
[09:14] <ikonia> I'm off to a festival later, so I best get ready
[09:14] <elky> Gary, only if you call Panarchy a pet of ikonia.
[09:14] <Gary> they make a nice couple
[09:14] <elky> now you should be scared.
[09:14] <Gary> hehe
[09:43] <Myrtti> hello
[10:03] <phix> hey
[10:04] <phix> how's ubuntu coming along? those bugs been fixed yet?
[10:09] <phix> you know t hose bugs that were annoying me so much that I took out my frustration on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic then got kicked?\
[10:11] <topyli> phix: this channel is for operator/abuse business. we might be able to help with your ban, but not the bugs you cite
[10:12] <topyli> @login
[10:12] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:12] <phix> just explaining my actions so hopefully you drop the ban on  me
[10:12] <phix> and I can try and conduct my self in a more civilised manner
[10:13] <topyli> you do have quite a history
[10:17] <phix> not really, just one incident before
[10:18] <topyli> no
[10:18] <phix> 2 in total, doesn't equal up to a large history
[10:18] <phix> 3 if you include #ubuntu-offtopic but that was in the same night
[10:18] <phix> I count that as 1
[10:19] <phix> still != a history
[10:19] <phix> just isolated incidents
[10:21] <phix> I appologised, I would like to move on from that now
[10:21] <topyli> might be best to talk to the ops you've been dealing with. come back later and see if they're around then
[10:22] <phix> I cant hang out here?
[10:22] <phix> you seem like a nice person to talk to
[10:22] <phix> we can talk within topic, about op polotics and such
[10:23] <ikonia> phix: you know you can't hang out here
[10:23] <topyli> well, this channel is for implementing and dealing with the current policy. if you wish to change the policy, this is a bad arena for it
[10:23] <phix> aaww ok
[10:23] <ikonia> phix: people have been through this with you many times
[10:23] <ikonia> stop wasting time
[10:23] <phix> ikonia: hey mate
[10:24] <phix> ikonia: apparantly the ppl I need to speak to are not here, doesn't mean I don't want to speak to other ppl here
[10:24] <phix> they seem nice
[10:24] <ikonia> phix: thats not what this channel is for - as well you know
[10:25] <ikonia> phix: this was covered a day or so ago with you, so please don't play dumb/forgetful with me - you know what you're doing
[10:25] <phix> my memory span is fair low
[10:26] <phix> it is a disability
[10:26] <ikonia> phix: you seem to be able to recall details of your ban count wihtout issue
[10:26] <phix> do you also laugh at ppl in wheel chairs?
[10:26] <ikonia> phix: bye
[10:26] <phix> selective memory perhaps
[10:26] <phix> ok
[10:26] <phix> I will be back again
[10:26] <phix> cya buddy
[10:26] <phix> hope to see you soon
[10:26] <phix> <3
[10:27] <elky> orly nao.
[10:27] <ikonia> if anyone with ops in here reads, I suggest putting a short term ban on him in here
[10:27] <ikonia> it may make him take a break from this regular joke
[10:28] <elky> that aint gonna work
[10:28] <elky> cs d
[10:31] <elky> what is it with TPG and morons... :(
[10:31] <ikonia> .au in general has had a high ammount of fools recently
[10:31] <ikonia> just the last week
[10:31] <elky> well, i suppose their cap sizes are popular
[10:31] <elky> ikonia, all our problems currently are aussies.
[10:32] <ikonia> unusual, it's come out of the blue
[10:32] <elky> panarchy, that other one i cant remember the name of, phix, aprilhare being a tosser in -ot
[10:32] <elky> aus is usually behind the times on stuff, i suspect it's just a mini awakening.
[10:32] <ikonia> ha
[10:32] <topyli> i've been thinking about doing something about aprilhare
[10:33] <topyli> story of my life, i've been thinking about doing a lot of things
[10:33] <elky> topyli, please. i usually avoid talking in there because i dont want to suddenly be the object of his obsessions.
[10:33] <elky> s/suddenly be/suddenly be reminded that i'm/
[10:35] <topyli> :(
[10:36] <elky> topyli, just verbal smackdowns are nice enough
[10:40] <topyli> somehow aprilhare reminds me of mikem, which reminds me that i should also start doing more about the shooting in the face, licking and stabbing in /me actions
[10:43] <elky> yeah, that stuff's gotta stop
[11:43] <elky> topyliiiiiiiiii...
[11:51] <elky> topyli, get him off!
[11:52] <elky> it burns, it burns like creepiness.
[12:11] <elky> jpds, um...?
[12:12] <jpds> elky: ?
[12:12] <jpds> elky: I was waiting for the opportune moment myself.
[12:13] <elky> yeah, he had no intention of stopping.
[13:09] <superboy_> hi
[13:10] <superboy_> um i got banned and um i dont know what to do
[13:11] <jussi01> superboy_: do you have any idea why you were banned?
[13:12] <superboy_> um i forgot really....<SHORT-TERM MEMORY
[13:12] <jussi01> superboy_: really dont give me that...
[13:12] <superboy_> OKAY BOTBUSING
[13:12] <jussi01> yes, exactly
[13:12] <superboy_> sorry bout the caps
[13:13] <jussi01> superboy_: so If I unban you, what assurances can you give me it wont happen again?
[13:14] <superboy_> help others like u helped me and leave the bots alone and ,leave the bots to the staff and admins
[13:15] <superboy_> and sorry
[13:15] <jussi01> superboy_: you are allowed to use the bots, when its appropriate. Now Ill unban you but if it happens again Ill make sure it stays on for a long time. ok?
[13:16] <superboy_> ok thanks jussi
[13:16] <jussi01> superboy_: you can now enter #kubuntu again, and leave here
[13:17] <superboy_> yes sir
[13:19] <jussi01> superboy_: please part this channel now
[13:24] <Seeker`> The ban on phix in #ubuntu can be removed by anyone after elky has removed the ban on him in -ot, as far as I am concerned
[13:25] <elky> we have enough time wasters in a day without adding him back to the mix
[13:28] <Seeker`> I'm not saying he should be unbanned
[13:29] <Seeker`> but its your ban in -ot and my ban in #u as far as I can work out; My point is that I don't have any problems with him going back to #u at any point after you have decided to remove the ban from -ot
[13:34] <elky> ah ok
[15:21] <Seeker`> lo
[15:22] <Gary> damnit, why are MS keyboards so much better than the others?
[15:23] <Gary> I needed a new keyboard and the only one I liked was a MS wireless thingy, logitech was the only other decent make and they sucked
[15:23] <LjL> this "montel" fellow was weird yesterday too iirc.
[15:23] <topyli> nothing wrong with that. let them make their excellent mice and keyboards. it's god to know that the company has a future
[15:24] <Gary> and why did I just say that here and not /15 #ubuntu-uk
[15:28] <Seeker`> LjL: Wasn't he botspamming or someting?
[15:28] <LjL> elky, Flannel: for the record, if it's not appropriate to call !ops when someone spams the channel very badly, for quite some time, and no op intervenes with a mute, then i don't know *what* !ops is appropriate for. and if that's "overloading the ops", oh damn, too bad, why didn't i think of that.
[15:28] <LjL> Seeker`: don't remember
[15:29] <LjL> anyway, i can see that ops don't have time to actually check the channel, when they're so awfully busy discussing what an appropriate !ops call is, whether 4chan is an acceptable topic in -offtopic, and whether one should have a 2-hours discussion with someone who was already banned half a dozen times, and things like that
[15:37] <elky> topyli, oh gawd they didnt...
[15:38] <topyli> elky: hmm?
[15:38] <elky> topyli, aprilhare and ikanobori
[15:39] <topyli> well
[15:39] <topyli> they did something alright
[15:40] <elky> yes, and i'm contemplating the chances of me nuking aprilhare's suburb and getting away with it...
[15:40] <LjL> and i'm contemplating nuking #ubuntu
[15:40] <elky> i have no idea and no desire to know where ikanobori lives.
[15:40] <LjL> what the hell does "it's wort a crack" mean if you're giving them a command that has nothing at all to do with the issue
[15:40] <LjL> elky: dutchland
[15:40] <elky> LjL, actionparsnip again?
[15:41] <LjL> elky: yeah, although he's only the last in a series
[15:41] <LjL> !fixapt
[15:41] <elky> LjL, aww, the risk to seveas would be too great.
[15:41] <LjL> would you give someone this, if a postinst script were failing? no, because it won't do anything about it
[15:41] <topyli> elky: hey, aprilhare might live close to some perfectly nice people. use an axe instead ;)
[15:42] <elky> topyli, well. if i was to nuke aprilhare, i'd nuke myself too since i'm pretty sure a nuke would dirty the whole of sydney on a bad day.
[15:43] <LjL> hey don't nuke my sibling! :(
[15:43] <LjL> wait...
[15:43] <LjL> uhm, perhaps do nuke.
[15:43] <elky> hehe
[15:44] <elky> LjL, ikonia and i had to rip actionparsnip last night.
[15:44] <LjL> rip apart and replace brain?
[15:44] <LjL> if so, then the new brain is malfunctioning too
[15:45] <elky> the body rejected the new brain.
[15:45] <LjL> oic :(
[15:46] <LjL> i mean... on the one hand, i don't really know how to solve this fellow's issue, either. so if someone has something to try, i guess "try it"
[15:46] <LjL> but when it comes to trying really completely unrelated things, it's just like voodoo, not support
[15:59] <LjL> elky: by the way, if you ever want to learn italian or know someone who does, sister's giving people lessons :P
[16:00] <elky> hehe
[16:02]  * Gary hides
[16:03] <LjL> Gary: hey, why have you hidden?
[16:03] <Gary> scared of elky
[16:04] <LjL> Gary: i can see you
[16:04] <LjL> *and so can she*
[16:04]  * Gary wiggles
[16:07] <LjL> *so* much fail in #ubuntu with the bot
[16:09] <elky> topyli, you're aware of /remove, yes?
[16:09] <Gary> or /msg chanserv quiet (or whatever it is called)
[16:09] <LjL> elky: i think you'll need to give him a practical demonstration
[16:10] <LjL> Gary: hold on a moment, since when...?
[16:10] <Gary> LjL: want a demo?
[16:10] <LjL> Gary: no. i can read the help
[16:10] <elky> nickspoon, that was epic /remove fail.
[16:10] <LjL> nickspoon cannot fail
[16:11] <LjL> physical impossibility
[16:11] <nickspoon> I don't actually want him to go away.
[16:11] <Seeker`> nickspoon's hat has 3 corners, how could he fail?!
[16:11] <LjL> indeed, indeed
[16:11] <topyli> elky: i'm still learning my irssi setup sorry
[16:11] <Gary> he fails at rotating
[16:11] <elky> nickspoon, he and aubade are catalysing the atmosphere in there. so if you want it to improve, then you do.
[16:12] <Gary> topyli:  CKICK      quote chanserv op $C; wait 500; quote remove $C $0 :$1-; quote chanserv op $C -$N
[16:12] <Gary> the waits can be shorter if you have less lag
[16:12] <Seeker`> topyli: auto_bleh helps
[16:12] <topyli> Seeker`: that's what i'm learning :)
[16:13] <Seeker`> I blieve /ar is autoremove
[16:13] <topyli> Gary: my router crashing might have contributed to the lag
[16:13] <topyli> Seeker`: yes, but i've learned "k" from chanserv.py and need to unlearn
[16:13] <Seeker`> ah
[16:13] <Gary> having 80 odd channels is the cause of my lag, and hence why I have the wait at 500
[16:15] <jussi01> topyli: just go modify auto_bleh's source - it is open source after all :P
[16:16] <topyli> jussi01: ooh! :)
[16:16] <Gary> ummm sauce
[16:16] <Gary> need food :'(
[16:17] <topyli> actually i consider it a chanserv.py bug. it does things for the user that shouldn't be auto-done
[16:17] <topyli> then again, i'm usually a fan of all sorts of automation and such, so i don't know
[16:20] <topyli> Seeker`: so, uh, how to ban a nick only? :)
[16:21] <Seeker`> may require some modification of the script
[16:21] <Seeker`> alternatively , /mode #ubuntu-offtopic +b nick!*@*
[16:21] <topyli> oh of course
[16:21] <LjL> meh, you people can do one or two things manually, surely :P
[16:22] <topyli> LjL: technology has left me helpless!
[16:22] <LjL> in one channel there's someone who does *all* op actions in a completely manual way (type the entire hostname in a ban), because "if i'm banning them, at least they deserve me wasting the time to type it out" :P
[16:22] <Seeker`> heh
[16:23] <LjL> ... doesn't work very well with fast spammers.
[16:23] <Seeker`> no, I can imagine
[16:23] <LjL> but i do think he has half a point
[16:24] <Gary> LjL: I used to do that, for the same reasons
[16:24] <Gary> use scripts for spammers though
[16:24] <LjL> Gary: then tell him to do the same :P
[16:29] <Seeker`> pr0nstradamus: how can we help you?
[16:29] <pr0nstradamus> I'd like to be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <pr0nstradamus> or be shown a rule against my nickname plz
[16:30] <LjL> pr0nstradamus: have you been told to avoid using that nickname?
[16:30] <pr0nstradamus> Indeed, but Its my nickname.
[16:30] <pr0nstradamus> I don't complain about yours.
[16:30] <LjL> pr0nstradamus: " Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed. "
[16:30] <LjL> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> So one powertripping fool rules them all.
[16:31] <elky> ljl has no power.
[16:31] <topyli> pr0nstradamus: you're violating the "use your brain and be nice" rule
[16:31] <LjL> you flatter me
[16:31] <LjL> elky: :P
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> I wasn
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> 't
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> speaking of ljl
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> I was speaking of topyli
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> who had no issue with my name at the beginning of the week, but does today.
[16:32] <topyli> i've had an issue with it all the time, and i have requested many times that you change it to something non-offensive
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> Theres nothing offensive about it.
[16:33] <topyli> only the nick is banned, not your ident or ip
[16:33] <bazhang> sure there is.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> I realize that
[16:33] <elky> pr0nstradamus, please explain how your nickname is not in conflict with the desire to avoid a sexualised environment, as published in the rules under 'please avoid sexuality'.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> Do I speak of sex in your channels?
[16:33] <Seeker`> topyli: so to make this clear, it is only the nickname that is banned, not the user, and he is free to rejoin with a different nickname
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> no.
[16:33] <topyli> Seeker`: exactly
[16:33] <elky> pr0nstradamus, your nickname does every time you speak.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> Lies.
[16:34] <pr0nstradamus> your urban dictionary and your mind give it meaning, nothing more.
[16:34] <Seeker`> you could say the same about any word
[16:34] <topyli> pr0nstradamus: this issue is not something we can argue
[16:34] <topyli> if you have nothing else to discuss, leave this channel please
[16:35] <jussi01> right...
[16:36] <topyli> hmm sauna in half an hour and i have no beer. need to go to the shop and see if they can help
[16:36] <jussi01> topyli: good luck...
[16:36] <LjL> why good luck?
[16:36]  * jussi01 notes its after 6...
[16:36] <jussi01> lähikauppa for you!
[16:37] <jussi01> LjL: shopos close at 6 on a saturday
[16:37] <jussi01> except the tiny ones
[16:37] <LjL> oh
[16:37] <LjL> why? because their tenants have to go to sauna? :P
[16:37] <jussi01> pretty much
[16:37] <jussi01> saturday evening is traditional sauna day
[16:38] <topyli> jussi01: we have a tiny one right there *points*
[16:38] <jussi01> just one of those things...
[16:38] <jussi01> topyli: so you do...
[16:38] <LjL> you'd adapt well if you went to israel and vice versa :P
[16:39]  * jussi01 forgot about that
[16:39] <LjL> topyli: you need to look at the *root* of the problem though.
[16:39] <LjL> topyli: why on earth are you left with no beer supplies?
[16:41] <Gary> beer!
[16:41] <Gary> I just sent tom out to get beer \o/
[16:43] <jussi01> :D
[16:44] <LjL> Gary: hope he knows your tastes for beer better than my dad does. bought me beck's. ew.
[16:44] <Gary> eeew
[16:44] <Gary> does he hate you?
[16:45] <LjL> Gary: well he did say he couldn't find the one he usually gets... but yeah, he probably hates me
[16:45] <Gary> peroni is what he bought \o/
[16:45] <LjL> ew too
[16:45]  * Gary <3's tomothy
[16:51] <topyli> in pm now, 18:47 <~pr0nstradamus> so you know, now that I think of it, which is really hard to do this morning, pr0n does refer to pictures of industrial hardware
[16:51] <topyli> 18:48 <~pr0nstradamus> so theres your not sexual meaning
[16:51] <LjL> ...
[16:51] <topyli> right
[16:51] <LjL> if only we knew what this "topyli" word meant in his silly language, i'm sure we'd have permbanned him long ago :(
[16:53] <topyli> hehe
[16:54] <topyli> it's a diminutive form of "topi", which is what my friends used to call me, some still do. in effect it's something like "little toby"
[16:55] <LjL> so finnish nicknames are like american nicknames - have nothing to do with the real name? :P
[16:57] <topyli> they are usually derived from your real name, but not always (as you can see)
[16:57] <elky> topyli, toby being a character from a book?
[16:58] <topyli> more like Topi Sorsakoski, a famous schlager singer and famous drunkard :)
[16:58] <elky> ah, so you're named for the latter part?
[16:58] <jussi01> My name is actually a shortening of a longer name...
[16:58] <topyli> in the ancient times, my original nick was toby_dick, but some people failed to miss the literary reference and also the zeppelin reference (i am after all a drummer)
[16:59] <LjL> topyli's better anyway
[16:59] <topyli> so some they thought it offensive and i changed
[16:59] <LjL> topyli: see, such innocent nicknames turned evil by silly ops :(
[16:59] <topyli> hehehe
[17:00] <topyli> i simply changed it at first request though :)
[17:00] <topyli> the nick wasn't a famous established trademarked million-dollar internet brand like topyli is
[17:00] <topyli> ooh seven o'clock! /me runs
[17:00] <Seeker`> jussi01: It is a shortening of jussi0123456789?
[17:01] <bazhang> haha
[17:01] <tuhina> Seeker`: rofl
[17:08] <elky> i'd better go off to bed. cyas
[17:08] <bazhang> night
[17:11] <Gary> night petal
[17:24] <nickspoon> Night elky.
[17:39] <tuhina> Damn, Ive run out of whiskey...
[17:51] <Gary> haha
[17:52] <Seeker`> I dont have any whiskey :(
[17:52] <tuhina> Gary: *g*
[17:52] <tuhina> what!! no vodka either :(
[17:52]  * tuhina looks for any alcoholic beverage...
[17:53] <Gary> I has beer
[17:53] <tuhina> nothing :(
[17:53] <Gary> even though LjL thinks it sucks
[17:53] <tuhina> Gary: beer is beer is still better than no beer...
[17:54] <LjL> i agree
[17:55] <bazhang> yuck alcohol
[17:56] <tuhina> hehe
[18:25]  * topyli worries about jussi01. we have a hedgehog operating bots and jussi01'ses trapped in a modded bookshelf :(
[18:31] <bazhang> * [zlad1] (n=alex@79-126-43-235.dynamic.mts-nn.ru): alex  <-- known bad actor from -ru
[18:38] <bazhang> ugh. ultimate user in #k will not take the hint
[21:01] <LjL> well, i'll go and have my own ration of (hopefully decent, as opposed to gary's) beer
[21:01] <LjL> i'd drink some english beer to underline the irony but i feel more like guinness
[21:03] <Draconicus> I have a small suggestion for the #ubuntu channel's management, and is apparently the place to present it... What if you split the channel up with freenode managing an automatic redirect based on a user cap? Like #ubuntu1 #ubuntu2 and #ubuntu3 - you already have an overflow channel, but #ubuntu remains massively overpopulated and very difficult to work in. There are plenty of assistants to go around these days, so it's not as
[21:03] <Draconicus> though help would be spread thin.
[21:04] <Seeker`> it means more channels to watch
[21:04] <LjL> this ain't AOL :(
[21:04] <Seeker`> and it means that all the helpers may get directed to #ubuntu1, and all of the really new users to #ubuntu2
[21:07] <Amaranth> Draconicus: More channels for us to watch and less people helping in each channel
[21:08] <Draconicus> You need more ops then, methinks. :P
[21:08] <Amaranth> Draconicus: We've discussed doing that for years, ends up the same way
[21:08] <Draconicus> I figured as much...
[21:09] <Draconicus> I do see problems with this. If it was official support by dedicated operators it could be a different story.
[21:09] <Seeker`> "officailly supported"?
[21:09] <Seeker`> in what way?
[21:10] <Amaranth> a lot of the ops don't do much support in #ubuntu
[21:10] <Draconicus> I didn't say "supported"
[21:10] <Draconicus> I know they don't. I was saying that if it was something it could never be, the idea might work.
[21:10] <Draconicus> If the ops were the helpers, and so on. There's no way to handle that.
[21:11] <Draconicus> Funneling it all into one channel creates such chaos... I don't even go to #ubuntu anymore because of the growing nightmare it's been ever since dapper.
[21:12] <Draconicus> Ah well.
[21:12] <Draconicus> Thanks for your interest I gues.
[21:12] <Draconicus> guess*
[21:12] <Draconicus> Take care.
[22:13] <Gary> poor Pici
[22:14] <Pici> hmm?
[22:20] <Pici> okay, enough playing around for now :/
[22:20] <Gary> you were doing it wrong! :p
[22:22] <Pici> I know!
[22:23] <Pici> I was trying to write something to check if an action had been sucessful, but it kept blocking
[23:18] <Seeker`> Pici: I banned Puppy; Was back with their "I don't like Ubuntu, why not try Puppy Linux"


[11:59] <marcus> WaVeR, do you think it's worth to start the reverification process?
[12:58] <marcus> please check and review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/ReVerificationApplication2015
[12:59] <marcus> i am not sure about the exact number of official members in our loco team
[17:11] <WaVeR> Hi marcus
[17:11] <WaVeR> Thanks for creating/updating the page
[17:12] <WaVeR> I'll have a look to the page and give you a feedback
[17:12] <WaVeR> can I contact you by email too ?
[20:57] <kingsley> Hi


[01:19] <coz_> hey guys
[08:56] <mainerror> hello again
[08:56] <mainerror> oh iain is in here great
[08:57] <mainerror> iainfarrell, I have a question about the Ubuntu t-shirt animal logos. Is there any special reason why they are not available as SVG in the tool kit?
[09:01] <iainfarrell> hey there
[09:01] <iainfarrell> mainerror: only that we haven't been back from UDS long enough to share the latest one
[09:01] <iainfarrell> and we've not shared them before but we can :)
[09:02] <mainerror> that would be awesome :)
[09:03] <mainerror> I do understand that you have a lot of work now, I was at the design sessions ;)
[18:32]  * thorwil inspects http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/
[18:37] <Islington> thorwil: hah, I signed up too
[18:38] <thorwil> Islington: oh, i didn't sign up, just had to look after seeing mairin's blog post
[18:40] <Islington> it quite nice
[18:44] <thorwil> the comment timeline is an interesting feature http://publictest04.fedoraproject.org/artboard/index.php?q=/comment/list
[18:49] <mainerror> o/


[09:54] <Kilos> morning all, compliments of the season to you
[20:31] <elacheche> o/
[23:08] <tsimonq2> o/


[06:00] <dlPhreak> Good morning.
[06:43] <Squirm> Morning all
[06:46] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:47] <Squirm> Maybe someone here can help, we're looking for a new server, we currently have a Dell Poweredge 310, Intel Xeon x3470, with 32Gb RAM. What would be a "logical" step up from that, which would last us the next 3 or so years?
[06:47]  * Squirm prods thatgraemeguy
[06:47] <Squirm> How goes it?
[06:51] <thatgraemeguy> can't complain, you?
[08:02] <Kilos> morning everyone
[08:07] <thatgraemeguy> g'day
[08:18] <inetpro> oh my!
[08:19] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[08:38] <inetpro> who's going to SFD this weekend?
[08:44] <thatgraemeguy> was ist das? O_o
[08:44] <thatgraemeguy> oh nvm :)
[08:44] <Squirm> thatgraemeguy: Yeah - Doing well
[10:10] <magespawn> good day
[14:21] <mekiss> Hey Guys
[15:59] <gremble> Good afternoon every one
[16:39] <stickyboy> gremble: Sup
[16:39] <gremble> How are you stickyboy ?
[16:48] <stickyboy> Sweet, I just learned you can hit "ga" in vim to see the hex code for a character.
[16:50] <stickyboy> Helpful when working with files that have non-latin characters.
[17:30] <gremble> Ya. That is pretty cool
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[17:50]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz coffee for all
[17:50] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[17:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:56] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[17:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:57] <Kilos> hi mekiss
[17:57] <Kilos> evening everyone esle also as well too
[17:58] <mekiss> Hi Kilos and everyone
[18:12] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[18:12] <Kilos> hi gremble
[18:13] <gremble> How are you doing?
[18:14] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:15] <kulelu88> woot! I found a cool charts lib :D
[18:17] <gremble> I'm well thanks. Trying to write up a CV
[18:17] <gremble> Haha Hey kulelu88 ;p
[18:18] <kulelu88> gremble: do you want a template? I used 1 and it made my CV 10 times cooler
[18:18] <kulelu88> search for "openoffice CV templates"
[18:18] <kulelu88> or resume, cause that's how muricans roll
[18:18] <gremble> I'm looking for a nice one. But probably going to go with a latex one that I have around somewhere
[18:29] <gremble> Mybroadband has an internship position that I am looking to get all up into :P
[18:30] <octoquad> evening, don't forget: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3141/
[18:31] <gremble> Hey octoquad. Thanks for the reminder
[18:31] <kulelu88> mybroadband? :/
[18:31] <gremble> mybroadband.co.za
[18:31] <kulelu88> I know what it is, but why there :/ you need an internship at McKinsey or something
[18:32] <gremble> I'm stilly studying
[18:32] <gremble> I cannot do an internship at McKinsey
[18:32] <kulelu88> they'll take you for vac work
[18:32] <kulelu88> A colleague of mine did it in 2nd/3rd year
[18:33] <gremble> Yes, but I don't need vac work either. I need something that would allow me to put petrol into my car so that I can get to campus
[18:34] <gremble> Writing I can easily do part-time
[18:35] <kulelu88> oh you want part-time work
[18:35] <gremble> Ya. That is not waitering :/
[18:35] <kulelu88> I thought internships pay enough for you to get to their office and back
[18:36] <kulelu88> is waitering a real thing? I never met anyone who was an actual waiter while studying
[18:37] <gremble> My friends can do that. But they have boobs so they get tipped well at hooters
[18:39] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:44] <mekiss> I'm currently studying and working 8 to 5 and I'm always exhausted, gremble hope you'll be better off than me now I have to stay up the whole night studying then drive to work in the morning
[18:45] <Kilos> ai!
[18:45] <gremble> That is not nice mekiss
[18:45] <gremble> :/
[18:46] <kulelu88> what you studying? mekiss
[18:46] <kulelu88> and who you kissing? mekiss
[18:52] <mekiss> I study Information Science and I'm not kissing anyone lol My friends nicknamed me Mekiss from my name Michael,Mike Mikey, Mickey. But I enjoy my work and my studies
[18:53] <gremble> You want to become a librarian mekiss?
[18:54] <mekiss> Never!!
[18:58] <mekiss> I think people who do information science should never be librarians though some of them become on, some work as Information managers, Business Analyst etc. I work under Business Intelligence as a report or dashboard developer and system administrator.
[18:59] <gremble> If you want to be a librarian you study library science which is part of information science :o
[19:00] <gremble> Oh alright
[19:00] <gremble> That is pretty cool. If I were a wise man I would get really good at statistics and to be come a mathematical analyst for business. Luckily for me, no one has ever accused me of being wise.
[19:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[19:02] <gremble> Hey inetpro
[19:02] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:02] <Kilos> you made it
[19:03] <inetpro> anyone of you going to the SFD event on Saturday?
[19:03] <Kilos> i nearly hitting sack
[19:03] <inetpro> kmf is looking for a contact person or two from ubuntu-za
[19:04]  * Kilos points to gremble
[19:04] <Kilos> and where is pietie
[19:04] <gremble> I'm plannong on going
[19:04] <gremble> I dunno if I will have any friends going a long with :<
[19:05] <inetpro> gremble: nice, will you please do us the honors to represent us?
[19:05] <gremble> Only if I get a silly hat
[19:06] <Kilos> lol
[19:06] <inetpro> haha, I can try organise a silly hat, but make no promises
[19:06] <gremble> :p
[19:07] <gremble> Yes I will
[19:07] <Kilos> ty grumbles
[19:07] <inetpro> thanks gremble
[19:07] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:07] <gremble> ood night Kilos
[19:30] <Cryterion> Evening everyone
[19:31] <superfly> hi Cryterion!
[19:32] <gremble> Hey Cryterion
[19:32] <gremble> He superfly
[19:32] <gremble> hey*
[19:32] <superfly> hi gremble
[19:33] <kulelu88> wait, is SFD this weekend????
[19:33] <kulelu88> What time and where?
[19:33] <inetpro> Cryterion: wb
[19:33] <inetpro> kulelu88: yebo yes
[19:33] <inetpro> are you going?
[19:33] <gremble> Gautrain Station
[19:33] <superfly> Centurion Gautrain station, I think?
[19:33] <gremble> 9 to 12 I think
[19:33] <kulelu88> if its at 7am, fekk no
[19:33] <superfly> or something
[19:33] <inetpro> Pretoria station
[19:34] <superfly> Cape Town is way too laid back to do anything like that
[19:34] <gremble> Yes, the station lounge just outside the gautrain station
[19:34] <superfly> also too full of "sysadmins" who care nothing for actual linux adoption, as long as they can stay where they are
[19:35] <inetpro> http://www.sfd.org.za/agenda/
[19:36] <kulelu88> are the bokke playing in the afternoon? otherwise I see no reason why it can't be from 11 to 2
[19:36] <inetpro> superfly: that's a real problem
[19:36] <gremble> kulelu88: there is a docker talk
[19:36] <gremble> :P
[19:37] <kulelu88> heh, unless they are explaining how to use compose or kubernetes, an intro is prob not for me anymore
[19:38] <gremble> Never
[19:38] <gremble> know
[19:38] <gremble> :P
[19:38] <kulelu88> gremble: wear a pink tshirt so I know who you are
[19:39] <gremble> I'll have a silly hat (if inetpro comes through :P)
[19:41] <Cryterion> Won't make it to sfd. Will prob fly over it late if it's on sunday
[19:41] <gremble> It's on Sat
[19:41] <Cryterion> Then will fly by a day later
[19:42] <gremble> :P
[19:42] <Cryterion> Will look at the mess from 10000feet
[19:47] <gremble> If you fly over something, do you measure the feet stacked endwise on top of one another, or do you imagine chopped off feat stacked sole to ridge?
[19:47] <gremble> Or is it sidways?
[19:47] <gremble> I always get confused when we use three dimensional objects to measure two dimentional quantities
[19:47] <gremble> :/
[19:50] <inetpro> lol
[20:11] <Cryterion> I don't measure, pilot normally does
[20:17] <kulelu88> I wonder how it is measure though. Are they using radar to bounce signals from plane to surface?
[20:20] <gremble> I think they just hang a rope down. Sounds like the easiest to do
[20:20] <gremble> Throw a person down and listen to how long it takes for it so splash
[20:20] <gremble> I mean a rock
[20:20] <gremble> no one should throw a person out of a plane
[20:22] <kulelu88> every skydiver in the world might disagree
[20:23] <gremble> I'll fight all of them if they line up in an orderly queue
[20:27] <gremble> I like studying Graph Theory because I can draw pictures
[20:27] <gremble> :D
[21:47] <kulelu88> graphs have become a boon to me now. Luckily there is always a python lib out there somewhere
[21:48] <gremble> I will teach you the ways of the graph
[21:48] <gremble> But right now I need to go experience the ways of the sleeping
[21:48] <gremble> Cheers guy
[21:49] <gremble> and other people


[05:17] <mborzecki> morning
[05:55] <zyga> hey mardy
[05:56] <mardy> zyga: 'morning!
[07:14] <pstolowski> morning
[07:17] <mborzecki> pstolowski: zyga hey
[07:18] <zyga> pstolowski, mborzecki: hey guys!
[07:41] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mborzecki and zyga !
[07:42] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, can you land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10249 ?
[07:42] <mup> PR #10249: tests: adding support for fedora-34 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10249>
[07:45] <pstolowski> hey mvo, how was the mini-vacation?
[07:47] <mvo> pstolowski: very nice, thank you! surprisingly much catchup to do though :)
[07:49] <mborzecki> mvo: thanks!
[07:49] <mvo> mborzecki: I replied to your question about the missng kernel commandline for 2.50, I think we need this, do you have a PR already? is it straightforward, should i look? do we have a spread test for this in 2.50?
[07:49] <mborzecki> mvo: this is the PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10265
[07:49] <mup> PR #10265: many: backport kernel command line for 2.50 <Run nested> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10265>
[07:50] <mborzecki> mvo: and there's a spread test too
[07:51] <mvo> mborzecki: you rock!
[07:51] <mup> PR snapd#10249 closed: tests: adding support for fedora-34 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10249>
[07:51] <mvo> mborzecki: *urgh* that's giantic, sorry for that, that was probably a lot of work :/
[07:52] <mvo> mborzecki: did it all cherry pick cleanly or did you had to resolve conflicts?
[07:52] <mborzecki> mvo: yes, it took a while to assemble everything, things were landing independently mostly, so there was very little conficts, tracking down all the patches in the right order was the most complicated bit
[07:53] <mborzecki> mvo: and it was mentioned here that the branch worked for the reporter: https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/issues/48#issuecomment-841353547
[07:53] <mborzecki> fwiw the spread test is passing too
[08:06] <mvo> mborzecki: nice! just to double check, there were conflicts but with the right patches no manual conflict resolving was needed? (asking because merging back will be harder if there is manual conflict resolving)
[08:07] <mborzecki> mvo: iirc there was one conflict that i had to fix manually, which also had to be fixed when merging master to the branch in the PR that proposed the original change, but the code should be identical to what we have in master atm
[08:11] <mvo> mborzecki: cool, thanks
[08:20] <pstolowski> is pedronis off today still?
[08:26] <mvo> pstolowski: should be here today according to the calendar
[08:35] <pstolowski> ack thanks
[08:38] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can you take a look https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268 ?
[08:38] <mup> PR #10268: overlord: mock logger in managers unit tests <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268>
[08:39] <mborzecki> mardy: want to do a review too?  ^^ :)
[08:41] <pstolowski> +1
[08:41] <mup> PR snapd#10268 opened: overlord: mock logger in managers unit tests <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268>
[08:48] <mborzecki> meh: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KXJqZwVhq6/
[08:53] <mvo> mborzecki: meh indeed
[08:59] <mardy> mborzecki: yes, I'll review that soon -- I'm still changing the tests in my PR as you suggested
[08:59] <pstolowski> mvo, mborzecki #10187 and #10182 need 2nd reviews if you have a moment (longer moment for 10182 ;))
[08:59] <mup> Bug #10187: debconf fails to install <debconf (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <debconf (Debian):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10187>
[08:59] <mup> PR #10187: o/hookstate, o/snapstate: print revision, version, channel with snapctl --pending <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10187>
[08:59] <mup> Bug #10182: Can not logout of gnome when xcompmgr is running <gnome-panel (Ubuntu):Invalid by fabbione> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10182>
[08:59] <mup> PR #10182: o/snapstate: autorefresh phase1 for refresh-control <Needs Samuele review> <Refresh control> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10182>
[09:05] <zyga> mvo, hey mvo :)
[09:12] <mborzecki> mvo: hm debian 9 still appears as required?
[09:13] <mvo> mborzecki: hm, let me try to fix that, I though I had already
[09:13] <mborzecki> mvo: it's listed as required in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268
[09:13] <mup> PR #10268: overlord: mock logger in managers unit tests <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268>
[09:14] <mvo> mborzecki: should be fixed now
[09:14] <mborzecki> mvo: yay, it is, thank you
[09:15] <mvo> mborzecki: I will probably push two small fixes from sergio to make the nested tests fully pass in 10265, hope that is ok (spread is running now to test if I got all the required parts)
[09:16] <mborzecki> mvo: that's fine, didn't want to push those as they were a bit unrelated to the cherry pick ;)
[09:16] <mborzecki> mvo: do you have the relevant commits?
[09:16] <mup> PR snapd#10268 closed: overlord: mock logger in managers unit tests <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10268>
[09:16] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, just gives me this warm and fuzzy feeling to see nested fully green .)
[09:17] <mvo> mborzecki: I have them locally already, just running the spread test
[09:17] <mborzecki> mvo: i have fa4780d971ef68824bc5326f1e0ee16097fef293 in my notes, and probably one more which i forgot to list
[09:17] <mborzecki> this one https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/fa4780d971ef68824bc5326f1e0ee16097fef293
[09:18] <mvo> mborzecki: this one and the "New buckets for snapd-spread project on gce"
[09:18] <mvo> mborzecki: is what I have right now running, I will explore if more is needed
[09:18] <mborzecki> i think this shoudl be all
[09:18] <mborzecki> pedronis: hey
[09:19] <pedronis> hi
[09:20] <pstolowski> hey pedronis
[09:29] <mborzecki> eh must be doing something wrong, there's a snap-declaration signed by the mocked store, then i generate snap-revision signed by the same mocked store, lastly pass it to assertstate.Add()
[09:49] <pstolowski> pedronis: will you have some time to talk about holding today?
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#10263 closed: interfaces: fix linter issues <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10263>
[10:51]  * pstolowski lunch
[11:18] <pedronis> pstolowski: we can chat after the standup?
[12:28] <mborzecki> re
[12:29] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks for the review in 10253
[12:40] <mborzecki> mvo: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10253 ?
[12:40] <mup> PR #10253: boot: helpers for manipulating current and good recovery systems list <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10253>
[12:53] <mvo> mborzecki: sure
[13:00] <pstolowski> pedronis: ok
[13:07] <mup> PR snapd#10269 opened: overlord:  unit test tweaks, use well known snap IDs, setup snap declarations for most common snaps <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10269>
[13:14] <erle-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QnQypCgvgT/
[13:15] <erle-> Is there any way to install flatpak without snapd?
[13:15] <erle-> in Debian it works (10 and 11)
[13:15] <zyga-mbp> erle- try --no-install-recommends
[13:15] <zyga-mbp> perhaps it's pulled in via a recommends on the gnome side
[13:29] <erle-> zyga-mbp, thanks, I will try
[14:09] <mardy> mborzecki: so, it appears that the order of parameters to "systemctl show" can change (see https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10266#discussion_r633388813). My strong preference would be removing all traces of "systemctl show ..." from the log, so we only compare the change-performing actions
[14:09] <mup> PR #10266: wrappers/services.go: do not restart disabled or inactive services <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10266>
[14:10] <mardy> of course, we can also sort the parameters when logging them, but I'm not sure it's worth it
[14:50] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki, centos 7 is maintained in EPEL, right? no need to use any COPR repos?
[14:51] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: what do you mean? snapd?
[14:51] <zyga-mbp> yeah
[14:51] <zyga-mbp> sorry, I thought I said snapd even though I did not
[14:51] <mborzecki> mardy: ah, yeah, info.Apps() is a map, so iteration order is undefined
[14:51] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: yes, it's in epel7
[14:51] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki is the update schedule there fairly normal? it's currently on 2.49
[14:53] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2021-6900c9fed4 please test and post karma :P
[14:53] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki we will :)
[14:53] <zyga-mbp> thanks!
[14:53] <mborzecki> fedora packages already moved to stable, but epel has 2w of 'testing'
[14:54] <zyga-mbp> understood
[14:54] <zyga-mbp> thanks
[14:54] <zyga-mbp> long story but we got one server with only centos available so we dropped lxd on top to run ubuntu vms
[14:58] <mardy> mborzecki: yep. So, what do you think about just excluding the "show" commands from the log?
[15:01] <mborzecki> hmm hmm
[15:02] <mborzecki> mardy: on the one had the advantage of having all those listed is that it's obvious what gets called
[15:03] <mborzecki> (also other tests usually list all calls)
[15:07] <cachio_> mborzecki, hey
[15:08] <cachio_> this test is failing after update ubuntu-18.04-64
[15:08] <cachio_> https://github.com/snapcore/spread-cron/runs/2597567225#step:3:349
[15:08] <cachio_> should I promote the image and then fix the test?
[15:09] <zyga-mbp> mount option on /boot/efi changed dmask= parameter
[15:09] <zyga-mbp> I'd upgrade and fix the test, seems harmless
[15:09] <zyga-mbp> hey cachio_ :)
[15:09] <cachio_> hey zyga-mbp
[15:09] <cachio_> thanks for the confirmation
[15:13] <mborzecki> cachio_: yeah, i suspect this got changed in the distro
[15:14] <cachio_> mborzecki, nice, updating the image
[15:24] <mborzecki> mardy: meh, with the preivous way the services were logged the problem still existed, didn't it? the code uses info.Services(), which comes from a map, what makes its order random
[15:25] <mborzecki> mardy: so i'm thinking, maybe you could just explicitly pass a a list of service names to wrappers.RestartServices() in the order you want?
[15:26] <mborzecki> (or sort the output of info.Services() in the test)
[15:28] <ijohnson> cachio__: I approved https://github.com/snapcore/core-initrd/pull/19
[15:28] <mup> PR core-initrd#19: Use github actions for testing instead of travis <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core-initrd/pull/19>
[15:41] <ijohnson> pedronis: mvo This PR is ready to land, the failures are unrelated: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10262
[15:41] <mup> PR #10262: tests/nested/manual: add test for install-device + snapctl reboot <Run nested> <Test Robustness> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10262>
[15:45] <ijohnson> oh I guess I forgot I asked cachio__ to review that one, not sure if we want to wait for another review or not
[15:45] <cachio__> ijohnson, checking right now
[15:45] <ijohnson> thanks cachio__
[15:52] <cachio__> ijohnson, 2 minor comments added inline
[15:55] <ijohnson> Thanks I'll have a look at addressing those
[15:59] <cachio__> ijohnson, already gave +1
[15:59] <mvo> ijohnson: in meetings all afternoon, please ping me again
[15:59] <cachio__> thanks for the change
[15:59] <cachio__> most important is to clean up jq because it could break a following test
[16:01]  * cachio__ lunch
[16:06] <ijohnson> cachio__: I addressed both of your comments, if you could +1 when you are back that would be great
[16:16] <mvo> ijohnson: let me know if I can help with force-merge or anything else, my meetings are now done for today
[16:17] <ijohnson> mvo: ok, hold off on merging 10262, I pushed changes that Sergio requested and want to wait to see that they work as intended
[16:17] <ijohnson> but otherwise I am not blocked on merging anything at the moment
[16:19] <mvo> ijohnson: thanks! just ping me if you need anything
[17:11] <ijohnson> mvo: pedronis if y'all are still doing reviews (or if you want to queue it up for tomorrow morning that's fine too), #10217 is ready again
[17:11] <mup> Bug #10217: ubuntu ignores my second disk on install <debian-installer (Ubuntu):Invalid by cjwatson> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/10217>
[17:11] <mup> PR #10217: o/servicestate: restart slices + services on modifications <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <quota> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10217>
[17:37] <zyga> hey ijohnson :)
[17:37] <zyga> long time no see
[18:05] <bandali> hi folks, could i do anything to help expedite the 'ManualReviewPending' of our newly-submitted jami-gnome snap?
[18:37] <ijohnson> pfsmorigo: ^
[19:13] <mup> PR snapd#10270 opened: tests: update mount-ns test to support changes in the distro <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10270>
[20:36] <cachio__> ijohnson, hey
[20:36] <cachio__> https://github.com/snapcore/spread-cron/runs/2596853931#step:3:4330
[20:36] <cachio__> this test failed google-nested:ubuntu-20.04-64:tests/nested/core/core20-kernel-reseal
[20:37] <cachio__> I don't know if this is a problem
[21:01] <ijohnson> cachio: I'll take a look in a little bit, is this from master ?
[22:14] <mup> PR snapd#10271 opened: tests: simplify the tests.cleanup tool <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10271>
[22:15] <cachio> ijohnson, yes


[03:19] <mup> PR snapd#13434 opened: o/state,daemon: add per-user notices <Needs Samuele review> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by olivercalder> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13434>
[08:15] <mup> PR snapd#13294 closed: i/b/fwupd.go: Allow write access to COD capsule update directory <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13294>
[09:00] <mup> PR snapd#13271 closed: i/b/fwupd.go: add access sysfs attributes needed by amdgpu <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13271>
[09:00] <mup> PR snapd#13408 closed: i/b/fwupd.go: give access to IPMI devices <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13408>
[09:00] <mup> PR snapd#13429 closed: o/devicestate: make sure we do not remodel to UC16 from UC18+ <Created by andrewphelpsj> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13429>
[09:15] <mup> PR snapd#13222 closed: build-aux: use core20 as base for the snapd snap build <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13222>
[09:20] <mup> PR snapd#12989 closed: tests/nested/manual/uc20-install-in-initrd: remove core-initrd tweaks <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12989>
[09:20] <mup> PR snapd#13308 closed: interfaces: update desktop interface AppArmor permanent slot rules <Needs Samuele review> <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13308>
[09:55] <mup> PR snapd#13393 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: set sythentic mounts `x-snapd.needed-by` to entry id instead of path <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by ZeyadYasser> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13393>
[10:35] <mup> PR snapd#13427 closed: tests: add support for fedora 39 and remove support for fedora 37 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13427>
[12:46] <mup> PR snapd#13244 closed: cmd/libsnap-confine-private: pass env real-home to snap-update-ns <Squash-merge> <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by ernestl> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13244>
[12:56] <mup> PR snapd#12839 closed: interfaces/bool-file: do not fail if path cannot be dereferenced <Needs Samuele review> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12839>
[13:26] <mup> PR snapd#13260 closed: many: ensure-dir mounts for personal-files missing dirs <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by ernestl> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13260>
[13:36] <mup> PR snapd#13342 closed: many: add snap-update-ns support for ensure-dir mounts <Squash-merge> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by ernestl> <Merged by ernestl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13342>
[14:01] <mup> PR snapd#13435 opened: cmd/snaplock/runinhibit: add WaitWhileInhibited helper function <Created by ZeyadYasser> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13435>
[14:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#4489 closed: chore(deps): update dependency pyinstaller to v5 [security] <Dependencies> <Created by renovate[bot]> <Closed by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4489>
[15:16] <mup> PR snapd#13436 opened: o/snapstate: add handlers to link/unlink components <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13436>
[16:22] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4499 opened: Failures when running `snap pack` don't get sent to the user.  <Bug> <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4499>
[18:12] <mup> PR snapd#13426 closed: tests: add spread tests support for ubuntu-24.04 <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13426>
[18:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#4488 closed: build(deps-dev): bump pyinstaller from 4.10 to 5.13.1 <Dependencies> <Python> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Closed by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4488>
[18:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#4494 closed: ci(appveyor): fix pyinstaller <Created by syu-w> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4494>
[22:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#4498 closed: fix(remote): fallback to legacy snapcraft if under shallow git clone <Created by syu-w> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4498>


[01:03] <mhall119> wxl: is he an Ubuntu member?
[06:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:04] <philipballew> dholbach, hen man
[07:05] <dholbach> hen man? :)
[07:05] <dholbach> hey philipballew
[07:06] <philipballew> shoot, I typed that and wanted to say hey dholbach
[07:06] <dholbach> thought so :)
[07:06] <philipballew> apparently I have a subconscious love for chickens
[07:09] <dholbach> hehe
[07:31] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:34] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:42] <davidcalle> dpm, dholbach, popey, fyi, I'm starting on social media figures
[07:42] <dholbach> dpm, davidcalle, popey: do you guys still need anything from me?
[07:43] <davidcalle> dholbach, always :D
[07:43]  * dholbach awaits details
[07:43] <dpm> dholbach, I think I'm fine, yesterday was a bit of a distractive day with the security incident, but will definitely ping you if I need something :)
[07:44] <dholbach> ok, cool
[07:44] <davidcalle> dholbach, nothing for me as well :)
[07:44] <dholbach> it's snowing here in Bavaria - it's the wet kind of snow, but still: it's mid October!
[07:46] <dpm> oh wow
[08:06] <davidcalle> dholbach, o_O
[08:19] <davidcalle> dpm, done with social stats
[08:21]  * davidcalle notes that we are missing identi.ca figures
[08:24]  * dpm hasn't heard that name mentioned in 5 years
[08:28] <philipballew> maybe you guys need a Myspace and Diaspora page while you are at it.
[08:29] <dpm> a My...what!??? :)
[08:36]  * dholbach goes and tends to his tamagotchi
[08:36] <dholbach> brb
[08:37] <popey>  :)
[09:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:27] <popey> o/
[11:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, new twist in the md-import story: in my simple test-case imported articles end up in the wrong place in the tree structure no matter if it's sqlite or postgres
[11:05]  * davidcalle jumps out the window
[11:06] <dholbach> I'll play around with it a bit more, then write up instructions along with test-case and push up a branch which outputs some more debug info
[11:06] <dholbach> davidcalle, I feel like this is going to be a much more fixable problem than having to figure out why sqlite and postgres behave differently :)
[11:07]  * davidcalle comes back with a kebab
[11:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, looking forward to trying it, do you think our approach needs to be changed or we'll be able to fix the current design?
[11:08] <dholbach> I could imagine that it's a matter of doing it wrong
[11:09] <dholbach> unfortunately there are not too many examples of the cms.api.create_page() usage (or messing around with the tree structure)
[11:09] <dholbach> davidcalle, and nice trick jumping out of the window just to return with a kebab
[11:10] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've looked into the cms source to understand it, but it ended up being quite intricate (you know how django is with long-distance imports and a lot of files involved)
[11:11] <dholbach> yes
[11:11] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm actually going to grab a real one now :) brb
[11:11] <dholbach> enjoy!
[12:45] <jcastro> hey dpm
[12:45] <jcastro> did you get my mail wrt fosdem/cfgmgmtcamp?
[12:46] <dpm> jcastro, hey
[12:46] <dpm> sorry, I did, but I haven't had the chance to look at it yet
[12:47] <jcastro> oh ok, just making sure you got it
[12:47] <jcastro> it's still 107+ days out, so no worries
[12:47] <dpm> jcastro, can it wait until Monday, or is this something you need me to look at today? I don't want to be a blocker
[12:47] <jcastro> I am not blocking on anything
[12:47] <dpm> ok, cool
[12:47] <jcastro> I was just making sure it's on your radar at some point
[12:48] <jcastro> however if you guys get slammed I need to do fosdem anyway so I can help lead the planning if you'd like
[12:48] <dpm> yes, it is, I'm all over events atm :)
[12:49] <dpm> it might be good to catch up on it next Wed on the team call then
[12:49] <jcastro> nod
[12:49] <dpm> are you on the road next week?
[12:49] <jcastro> nope, back to normalcy until the end of the year
[12:49] <dpm> ok, cool
[12:49] <dpm> so I'll look at it before and we can then discuss the details and look at events in the team call
[12:50] <jcastro> yeah I have a call with the events planner on Monday so by wed I should know what's going on.
[12:51] <dpm> great
[12:54] <dpm> dholbach, popey, davidcalle, unless I'm missing something, I haven't seen much of a media reaction re: the security incident, have you?
[12:55] <dholbach> no, not up until now
[12:56] <popey> no
[12:57] <davidcalle> Same
[12:58] <popey> i think the fact that the number of affected users was so small, and we dropped it from the store so rapidly, really helped us
[12:58] <popey> but if the app had been named "WhatsApp" we would have probably had more issues
[13:08] <dholbach> davidcalle, I'm back to where I was earlier - it breaks postgres and sqlite is fine
[13:08] <dholbach> sorry for the confusion earlier
[13:08] <davidcalle> dholbach, oh
[13:09] <dholbach> I had a couple of test environments open - I guess I was looking at the wrong thing
[13:10] <davidcalle> dholbach, so I guess the difference comes from the way django interacts with db types, or the way/order the db processes commands
[13:11] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1506861
[13:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1506861 in developer-ubuntu-com "Markdown article importer messes up article tree" [Undecided,New]
[13:16] <dholbach> davidcalle, I was thinking that if somebody confirmed the test case and it all made generally made sense, I'd ask upstream for help
[13:23] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think I'm going crazy
[13:23] <dholbach> ah, no
[13:23] <dholbach> nevermind
[13:23] <dholbach>  /o\
[13:24] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm...
[13:25] <davidcalle> (I'm trying to test it, but my mouse cursor has suddenly disappeared)
[13:25] <davidcalle> (not your fault)
[13:25] <davidcalle> (maybe)
[13:25] <davidcalle> :p
[13:26] <popey> dpm: dholbach http://www.heise.de/security/meldung/Auch-Ubuntu-Phone-hat-seine-Sicherheitsluecken-2849370.html just went live
[13:26] <popey> i can't read that foreign tho
[13:27] <dholbach> it states the facts, no judgement or anything
[13:27] <dholbach> but the title says "Ubuntu Phone also has its security holes"
[13:27] <popey> the usual heise way
[13:27] <popey> well, it did
[13:29] <dpm> ah, thanks popey for the heads up
[13:29] <popey> np
[13:37] <dholbach> davidcalle, sorry - had to update the instructions again - let me know which problem you're seeing :)
[13:39]  * davidcalle gives up on mouse cursor, restarts session
[13:42] <dholbach> I promise - I didn't steal davidcalle's mouse cursor!
[13:43] <dholbach> davidcalle, it wasn't me!
[13:44] <davidcalle> :)
[13:58] <popey> I am impressed at the reaction to Lukasz' mail on the phone list.
[13:59] <popey> people are super positive and thankful they're getting detailed insights when things mess up
[14:05] <davidcalle> popey, +1
[14:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, can confirm your test case
[14:06] <dholbach> thanks davidcalle
[14:06] <dholbach> does it generally make sense?
[14:06] <davidcalle> dholbach, it does
[14:07] <dholbach> ok cool
[14:08] <dholbach> maybe I'll just send it off to djangocms in a bit
[14:27] <davidcalle> dholbach, your script is super useful, I'm removing all the special casing done for the "current" namespace and things like hidden landing pages.
[14:27] <davidcalle> And iterating with a clean db is so nice :)
[14:28]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[14:28] <davidcalle> dholbach, on a related note, nope, these ^ are not involved in the issue
[14:39] <dholbach> davidcalle, thanks a lot for confirming and helping out
[15:41] <dholbach> dpm, snappy clinic for Monday is scheduled and we've got the content almost together as well :)
[15:42] <dpm> great work dholbach!
[15:42] <dholbach> and I'll contact the djangocms folks with a testcase in a bit too
[15:42] <dpm> dholbach, do we have a URL we can point folks to? I think it'd be good to start announcing the clinic on the social media today, if the date is set
[15:43] <dholbach> dpm, yes - I'm on it
[15:43] <dpm> excellent
[15:57] <dholbach> dpm, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-app-devel/2015-October/000400.html
[15:58] <dholbach> I'll blog it too
[16:03] <jose> dholbach: it's on the calendar now
[16:03] <dholbach> <3
[16:03] <dholbach> thanks a bunch jose!
[16:08] <dpm> thanks dholbach!
[16:09] <dpm> and thanks jose!
[16:09] <jose> np :)
[16:09] <jose> are those gonna be regulars?
[16:15] <davidcalle> dpm, do you need anything else for the presentation?
[16:18] <dpm> davidcalle, that's all for now, thanks so much
[16:18] <davidcalle> dpm, cool :)
[16:19]  * davidcalle drives home, ttyl all and have a nice week-end o/
[16:19] <dpm> have a nice one davidcalle!
[16:19] <davidcalle> Thanks :)
[16:23] <dholbach> jose, yeah, but we'll have to figure out which time works best for them
[16:23] <dholbach> so probably not regularly at the time yte
[16:23] <dholbach> yet
[16:23] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: I posted  https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com/+bug/1506861  with some context to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/django-cms but it hasn't turned up there yet.......
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1506861 in developer-ubuntu-com "Markdown article importer messes up article tree" [Critical,New]
[16:23] <dholbach> I'll check later on again
[16:24] <dholbach> but will go offline for dinner and weekend stuff now
[16:24] <dholbach> have a good one everyone!
[17:57] <wxl> mhall119: not to be pesty but any luck on the community donations request?
[17:57] <wxl> also, did we get enough nominations for the cc? i'd like to post a blog up somewhat in time with when the announcement of candidates goes out. anyone know when?
[20:14] <czajkowski> wxl: waiting on mark to review the nominations
[20:17] <wxl> czajkowski: but you do have enough nominations? or not sure?
[20:19] <czajkowski> wxl: I've not counted them all I think we do but not access to my email right now as in the middle of stuff
[20:19] <czajkowski> sorry
[20:19] <wxl> np, czajkowski. thank you :)