[19:17] <DasEi> teligard: url ?
[19:19] <Swinden> join #familab
[19:19] <Down_to_Earth> Hey
[19:24] <n233g16> I installed ubuntu alone on my PC
[19:24] <n233g16> I think I've selected it to encrypt my files in /home
[19:24] <yzhd> Guys, I'm trying to repo init, but I
[19:24] <n233g16> now when I want to edit a text file, it says I'm not the owner
[19:25] <n233g16> should I sudo change the file's permissions?
[19:25] <yzhd> i'm getting this error: ~/android/system$ repo init -u git://github.com/CyanogenMod/android.git -b gingerbread
[19:25] <yzhd> No command 'repo' found, did you mean:
[19:25] <yzhd> . I think I have to path /bin?
[19:25] <acicula> n233g16: which text file
[19:25] <n233g16> or is there another way to deal with this?
[19:25] <n233g16> I've made a simple text file in my documents folder acicula
[19:25] <craigbass1976> My number pad isn't working so well.  When numlock is off, home, end, etc are all workign properly.  When I hit shift Home (to select everything from where I am back to the beginning of the line) I get 7.  10.04 is the last time I didn't see this happening.
[19:25] <n233g16> using sudo gedit
[19:25] <DasEi> n233g16: has nothing to do with each other solution is..
[19:26] <acicula> n233g16: you should never use sudo in combination with a grafical program
[19:26] <n233g16> got it acicula
[19:26] <DasEi> and use gksu for graphical sudo , n233g16
[19:26] <n233g16> acicula: I've used because it would let me store in ~/Documents
[19:26] <acicula> n233g16: if you saved a file when using sudo  its owned by root and you need to change the ownership using chown
[19:26] <n233g16> Thanks DasEi
[19:27] <acicula> n233g16: you need to check the permissions of Documentd then, you should almost never need to use root priviledges like that directly
[19:27] <DasEi> n233g16: but back to your problem , you try to open a file from without running ubu on ecryptfs ? or a permission problem ?
[19:27] <n233g16> acicula: ok, I'll do it. But next time I want to write in my ~/Documents, I should be able to just use gedit as a regular user
[19:27] <jola> ssta, skel: testdisk said the bootsector was bad and I copied the backup boot sector over the boot sector, now I can mount the windows partition, I'll try to boot into windows now
[19:28] <n233g16> DasEi: I'm trying to open it just like I used to do before encryption
[19:28] <acicula> n233g16: by default you should be yeah, unless you changed something.
[19:28] <n233g16> DasEi: without using anything
[19:28] <jola> wish me luck
[19:28] <n233g16> acicula: I haven't. It's a "vanilla" install
[19:29] <DasEi> n233g16: sudo chown -R >YourUsernameHere< ~/myDocuments         that ones whole dir and subdir , but ask, if unsure
[19:29] <acicula> n233g16: thats odd, check that your user owns the Documents directory and that its rw for at least your user
[19:29] <n233g16> DasEi: Thank you!
[19:29] <DasEi> and again as said above, that's nothing about ecryptfs
[19:29] <n233g16> acicula: Thank you !
[19:29] <Abijar> Hello, I have a problem with Oneiric on a eMachines e525, GPU Intel GMA 900. Resolution is only 1024x (should be 1333) and cant be changed. Research on Internet say the i965-Driver should help - but it doesnt.
[19:29] <Abijar> Any suggestions? :/
[19:30] <DasEi> ones=owns , n233g16
[19:30] <n233g16> It was the whole directory permissions that weren't correct
[19:30] <acicula> n233g16: great :)
[19:31] <DasEi> n233g16: problem with that cmd in general, it also does it to all subdirs, so be carefull not to run root
[19:31] <acicula> Abijar: are you sure its loaded the intel driver and not the standard vesa driver? thats why you would see the 1024x768 resolution
[19:32] <yado> sera
[19:32] <Abijar> Hm, I installed it. How can i see if it loaded?
[19:32] <yado> !list
[19:32] <n233g16> DasEi: got it ;)
[19:32] <Ben64> yado: why !list
[19:33] <DasEi> !support | yado , ;)
[19:34] <sha0coder> hi ppl
[19:34] <acicula> Abijar: uhm id guess /var/log/Xfree.0.log or maybe the glxinfo can be of some help there
[19:35] <JonEdney> Hey, anyone here familiar with XChat and possibly making custom settings?  I'm trying to set alerts only for a specific network, not everywhere I'm connected to.  Any ideas?  XChat channel, no one has any clue.
[19:35] <yzhd> i'm getting this error: ~/android/system$ repo init -u git://github.com/CyanogenMod/android.git -b gingerbread. I think I have to path /bin. Anyone knows how to do that?
[19:36] <acicula> yzhd /bin is always in your path, or your system would not even be working
[19:37] <osse> If I ssh to a machine and start a shell like so 'ssh -t hostname bash' I cannot type any of the characters æøå and probably many others. Why is that? Obviously starting bash that way is pointless; what I'm actually doing is starting tmux, but I guess this rules tmux out.
[19:37] <yzhd> acicula, why do I get that error?
[19:37] <acicula> yzhd: what error
[19:37] <Boohbah> osse: probably due to the locale settings of your remote host
[19:38] <yzhd> acicula, No command 'repo' found, did you mean:
[19:38] <yzhd>  Command 'rep' from package 'rep' (universe)
[19:38] <yzhd>  Command 'repl' from package 'nmh' (universe)
[19:38] <yzhd>  Command 'repl' from package 'mailutils-mh' (universe)
[19:38] <yzhd> repo: command not found
[19:38] <FloodBot1> yzhd: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:38] <osse> Boohbah, indeed.
[19:39] <acicula> osse: sshing from osx?
[19:39] <geek0091> hey need some help transfering files from the rescue shell on the ubuntu recovery cd
[19:39] <osse> acicula, no. From Ubuntu
[19:40] <yzhd> acicula, did you see what I sent? or was it removed because of flood?
[19:40] <geek0091> no ssh installed, nothing, trying to figure out how to transfer dir or files on hd
[19:40] <geek0091> dir of files*
[19:40] <acicula> yzhd: maybe its not packaged, instrucions on how to install it are here https://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
[19:41] <osse> Boohbah, when I log in regularly I get 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8' and all the others except LC_ALL. When I log in with -t LANG also is empty the the remaining ones are POSIX. Do you know how I fix this?
[19:41] <DasEi> geek0091: little confusing talk, you want to use live cd to get files from hd ?
[19:42] <Pici> yzhd: You forgot the first part of your command.   shouldn't it be: git init -u git://github.com/CyanogenMod/android.git -b gingerbread
[19:42] <yzhd> Pici, have no idea :/ I'm following this guide : http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Desire_(GSM):_Compile_CyanogenMod_(Linux)
[19:43] <sirriffsalot_> Hello! Does anyone know where I could find the JACK plugin for Opera? I can't find it in synaptic...
[19:45] <Abijar> acicula: Log says: "[   729.612] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so", glxinfo: OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer ...
[19:45] <Pici> yzhd: Ah, I see. Can you try doing:    source ~/.profile    and see if that fixes it?
[19:45] <yzhd> Pici, btw, I'm "Cd'ied" inside android/system
[19:46] <DasEi> geek0091: ?
[19:46] <Pici> yzhd: thats fine.
[19:46] <yzhd> Pici, it worked :D Terminal is doing something now
[19:46] <konbon> hello
[19:47] <roasted> Question - how do I log out of the GUI and return back to the login screen via terminal?
[19:47] <yzhd> Pici, before I start repo sync j-16, do you know how I can do this? : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22307617&postcount=3
[19:47] <tarrenj> hey, I'm installing a package from source, but I'm getting a make error 2.  I remember that being an easy fix, but not what it is.
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> roasted: killall -u $USER    works, if a bit heavy handed
[19:48] <yzhd> pici, it's just gedit I guess
[19:48] <Pici> yzhd: It sounds pretty self explanitory.  Yes.
[19:48] <roasted> ActionParsnip: is that the optimum way to quietly log out, though?
[19:48] <ctjctj> What is the name of the package that provides the network-manager interface that shows up in the menubar next to the sound control (applet?)
[19:48] <guntbert> roasted: what DE are you using?
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> roasted: define optimum
[19:49] <roasted> ActionParsnip: pulling the plug on a computer is convenient to turn it off, but not optimum.
[19:49] <trism> tarrenj: hard to say without seeing the error, pastebin?
[19:49] <roasted> guntbert: gnome classic or unity. both I would like to find out.
[19:49] <tarrenj> sure, trism
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> roasted: that 'ideal' not optimum
[19:49] <ctjctj> Issue is that one of my users does not get the menu item "VPN Connections..." and my other user account does.  I'm trying to determine what is the difference between those two user accounts
[19:49] <xangua> !info gnome-network-manager | ctjctj
[19:50] <xangua> !info network-manager-gnome | ctjctj
[19:50] <ActionParsnip> roasted: there is the gnome-session command but the command I gave will work
[19:50] <guntbert> roasted: for gnome there is gnome-session-quit
[19:51] <ctjctj> xangua: I've searched that package for "VPN Connections"  It shows up in the po directories but not in any source file.  I'm sure this is luser error.
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> roasted: gnome-session-quit --no-prompt
[19:51] <tarrenj> trism, http://pastebin.com/azJq0vra
[19:51] <roasted> ActionParsnip: snazzy. I'll try that out. Appreciate it.
[19:52] <ctjctj> xangua: disregard.  :-( luser error on reading the info you gave me.  Thank you.
[19:53] <yzhd> Pici, there was a command that showed the size of a folder. Which one was that? I CD'ed then ls something
[19:54] <Pici> yzhd: du -h or du -hs
[19:54] <yzhd> Pici, that's the command, thanks :D
[19:54] <trism> tarrenj: do you have the kernel headers installed?
[19:54] <Pici> yzhd: np
[19:54] <tarrenj> kernal headers?
[19:55] <trism> tarrenj: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r);
[19:55] <tarrenj> trism, kernal headers? I'm installing something else right now, but as soon as thats done I will thakn
[19:55] <yzhd> Pici, one last question :D A week or two ago.. I download a program that edited the fonts.. and the circle loading thing on the mouse etc... You have any idea on what the name of that program can be? I have uninstalled it. It was a common program. I'm searching, but can't find anything
[19:56] <jeff__> I have a Netgear N150 and I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. I am currently on a different USB Wireless dongle right now, so any suggestions would help greatly.
[19:56] <tarrenj> trism, whats with the -$(uname -r)?
[19:56] <trism> tarrenj: it just gets the version of your running kernel
[19:56] <Pici> yzhd: Uhh... I'm not sure, sorry.  I'm not much of a gui person.
[19:56] <tarrenj> ahh thanks
[19:57] <yzhd> Pici, I see. Thanks for all your help though! I appreciate it :)
[19:57] <sentriz|netbook> im stuck on 'ld config derrered processing now taking place' after doing 'sudo apt-get install gnome-shell'
[19:57] <sentriz|netbook> :(
[19:57] <sentriz|netbook> its been like 3hrs
[19:58] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: stuck means ? system frozen ?
[19:58] <sentriz|netbook> its just staying there - system isnt frozen
[19:58] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: ctrl+c
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> sentriz|netbook: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[19:58]  * ldvx board
[19:58] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:58] <tarrenj> when in doubt, Ctrl+C, then rerun the command, sentriz|netbook
[20:00] <tarrenj> trism, http://pastebin.com/ciftspeU  errors installing
[20:00] <sentriz|netbook> @ActionParsnip - oneiric
[20:00] <jeff__> I have a Netgear N150 and I am running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. I am currently on a different USB Wireless dongle right now, so any suggestions would help greatly.
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> sentriz|netbook: are you getting the package from the main repo or a ppa?
[20:00] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: issued dpkg command ?
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: tried ndiswrapper?
[20:00] <roasted> ActionParsnip: any idea how I'd accomplish taht task (gnome-session-quit --no-prompt) but with xfce?
[20:00] <trism> tarrenj: what does uname -a; return?
[20:01] <tarrenj> trism, nevermind fixed it
[20:01] <ActionParsnip> roasted: not sure, let me see.
[20:01] <tarrenj> and Linux Veelox 3.3.2-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Apr 14 09:48:37 CEST 2012 x86_64 AMD E-450 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[20:01] <sentriz|netbook> er
[20:01] <DasEi> ?
[20:01] <tarrenj> meh, kinda big, but not too big, close though
[20:02] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, yes and it says its successful, but it says this in the terminal. netathurx : driver installed	device (0846:9030) present.  But still nothing is showing up for it in iwconfig.
[20:02] <tarrenj> also, make is working now, thanks trism
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: did you run:  sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[20:02] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: issued dpkg command ?
[20:02] <sentriz|netbook> i will
[20:02] <roasted> ActionParsnip: looks like xfce session is xfce4-session, but not sure how to drop it. it says command not found = xfce4-session-quit --no-prompt
[20:03] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, yes
[20:03] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: please put nick when responding
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> roasted: http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfce4-session-logout
[20:03] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it will be ignored in a future release.
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: run:   sudo mv /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf
[20:04] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, did that then reran the modprobe thing and it still not showing up in iwconfig or ifconfig
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: all the files need to have a .conf extension in that folder for some weird reason
[20:04] <roasted> ActionParsnip: you the man.
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> roasted: all I do is web search
[20:04] <tarrenj> roasted, who the man?
[20:04] <roasted> ActionParsnip: hey, I did too.
[20:04] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - it asked for a pass, I gave it one, and thats it
[20:04] <roasted> ActionParsnip: perhaps I fail @ web search :(
[20:05] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:05] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: what was the package you tried to install ?
[20:05] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, okay well that errors fixed, but still the same problem.
[20:05] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - gnome-shell
[20:06] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell last then
[20:06] <tarrenj> anyone have anything against running make clean install?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> jeff__: if you run:  sudo iwlist scan    do you see wireless networks?
[20:06] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell                          last then
[20:06] <jeff__> ActionParsnip, no
[20:06] <sentriz|netbook> omg
[20:06] <DasEi> tarrenj: nope, but wrong channel if you are running arch
[20:07] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - can you put all commands in "'''s" please :)
[20:07] <tarrenj> DasEi, I know, I just figured I could come here since compiling from source is a bit more of a newbby thing, and the compile commands are the same,  thanks for letting me stay, later
[20:07] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: I will start the terminal lines so
[20:07] <sentriz|netbook> thanks
[20:08] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:08] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell
[20:09] <crazyandi86> hi! i need to find a program, which is located anywhere in my $PATH. Can i search for it with wildcards?
[20:09] <crazyandi86> i mean like "findprog *programxy*"
[20:09] <guntbert> tarrenj: something to read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:10] <escapeplan> Anybody here familiar with Conky ?
[20:10] <DasEi> crazyandi86: sudo updatedb && locate <programname>
[20:10] <DasEi> escapeplan: just ask the real q
[20:10] <sh0t> hi all.
[20:10] <ivan__> ciao
[20:10] <lwizardl> is there a way to create a sort of docked area to have the mounted partitions always showup in versus just randomly popping up somewhere on the desktop ?
[20:10] <ivan__> ITALY????
[20:10] <sh0t> does anybody know how to use ipod shuffle on ubuntu ? (without virtualization or emualtion?)
[20:10] <crazyandi86> DasEi: you mean like "find / -name "*program*"
[20:10] <tarrenj> hmm, looks interesting, thanks guntbert
[20:10] <guntbert> !it | ivan__
[20:10] <sh0t> i read already something but nothing seems working
[20:11] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - okaym it's doing some stuff now lol
[20:11] <DasEi> crazyandi86: sudo updatedb && locate <programn*>
[20:11] <guntbert> tarrenj: you're welcome :-)
[20:11] <DasEi> crazyandi86: like locate gedi*
[20:11] <crazyandi86> DasEi: ok, i'll give it a try
[20:11] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - Setting up gnome-shell (some stuff 0ubuntu)
[20:11] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - Setting up gnome-shell (some stuff 0ubuntu)
[20:12] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - "Setting up gnome-shell (some stuff 0ubuntu)"
[20:12] <roasted> Question - I'm trying to make some Linux systems in our environment "self healing" for student profile issues on our machines. Long story short, I want to create a user who runs a script when they log in. The script needs root priviledges. How can I issue root priviledges to this script when ONLY this particular user logs in? I was going to tag it in startup applications and run it via "command" but it needs sudo so I'm not sure how
[20:12] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: ?
[20:12] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - thats what it says
[20:12] <sysfailure> i would write a script and add it to his permissions
[20:13] <guntbert> roasted: what speak against sudo?
[20:13] <crazyandi86> DasEi: for performance reasons i at first only wanted to search in my PATH, doesn't updatedb index my whole filesystem?
[20:13] <roasted> guntbert: pardon?
[20:13] <DasEi> crazyandi86: yes, one time , I had my issues with find
[20:14] <guntbert> roasted: you talked about "but it needs sudo" - where is the problem?
[20:14] <roasted> guntbert: if I run a root command in "startup applications" will it not prompt me for my password?
[20:14] <crazyandi86> DasEi: but i mean, i can search quite fast for programs starting with program by typing "prog <TAB><TAB>"
[20:15] <yakster> if any one has the time, and the know how, I ahve an issue with sound sometimes not working on my system. I believe that it is because ALSA is not making my audio device default. it changes with every boot… can anyone help me with setting it up so a specific device is default?
[20:15] <crazyandi86> DasEi: isn't a tool out there for doing that with wildcards?
[20:15] <sysfailure> run a shell script in the users file, when he logs on it will use his password if you assign it to his login
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> yakster: you could have a command that runs at login and sets the sound device.
[20:16] <DasEi> crazyandi86: you can pipe via grep, I'm not sure if I understand you
[20:16] <yakster> that is what I am looking for… I didnt know what owuld be the best way…
[20:16] <guntbert> roasted: ah I see  -  well you can give a user the permissions to run *one command* and to not need a password with sudo - it is only a little complicated
[20:16] <ActionParsnip> yakster: you may find:    killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*
[20:16] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: still spilling errors ?
[20:17] <crazyandi86> DasEi: i yust mean, i seriously don't want to index my whole filesys before searching a (perhaps new) command in my path
[20:17] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - its now "stuck" on 'setting up gnome-shell (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.1) ...'
[20:17] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - its now "stuck" on 'setting up gnome-shell (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.1) ...'
[20:17] <sentriz|netbook> ooopps
[20:18] <yakster> here is my aplay -l
[20:18] <yakster> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933087/
[20:18] <roasted> guntbert: ehh that's kind of where I get hung up. I need a root command to run at login for a specific user. It's a long story... basically I'm in an elementary school running linux laptops. Cool, right? They use a local "student" account that automatically logs them in. For SOME reason, no idea why, but for some reason sometimes their home folder gets borked and we have to reset it.
[20:18] <roasted> guntbert: the reset? rm -rf /home/student, then cp -R it from /etc/skel, and reassign perms and ownership.
[20:18] <Guest71555> does anyone know the best way going about partitioning a harddrive to run two OS alongside each other?
[20:18] <yakster> sometimes I get 2 card 1's, and other times 2 card 0's
[20:18] <beandog> roasted: rsync --delete would be easier
[20:19] <beandog> maybe.
[20:19] <roasted> guntbert: I want to create a user named ResetProfile, with a command that runs, via root, when the ResetProfile user logs in. Then at hte end of the script, it automatically logs them out. The script has been tested and it's done. I just need a way to run it via root.
[20:19] <DasEi> !gparted | Guest71555
[20:19] <sentriz|netbook> Guest71555 - wubi
[20:19] <DasEi> !dualboot | Guest71555
[20:19] <roasted> beandog: oh, true. I hadn't thought of that. Same basic concept, though.. It's a matter of like 10 MB that gets copied.
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> yakster: deleting the pulse things may help
[20:19] <yakster> guest71555, gparted
[20:19] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - its now "stuck" on 'setting up gnome-shell (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.1) ...'
[20:19] <roasted> Long story short, if I can find a way to SOMEHOW run this root script at a specific user login, I'm golden.
[20:20] <DasEi> Guest71555: wubi I wouldn't suggest for long term run
[20:20] <yakster> ok, I am not to familiar with pulse, isnt that the replacemnt for ALSA?
[20:20] <beandog> roasted: .bash_login ?
[20:20] <yakster> or somthing like that
[20:20] <Guest71555> ok thanks
[20:20] <roasted> beandog: as root, though?
[20:20] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - its now "stuck" on 'setting up gnome-shell (<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu0.1) ...'
[20:20] <beandog> roasted: create a shell script, and tell sudo to allow the user to run it as root, but only that command
[20:20] <guntbert> roasted: use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers, there you can allow one single user to run one single command (and without the need for a password) even with root permissions
[20:21] <roasted> guntbert: not sure I'm entirely following...
[20:21] <yakster> ok, what was the pulse command again?
[20:21] <Pici> roasted: but make sure that the script itself cannot be edited by that user, only read and executed.
[20:21] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: ctrl+c it again then
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> yakster: pulse is an abstraction for alsa
[20:21] <roasted> guntbert: I can basically tell the sudoers file to allow a user to run one specific command as root?
[20:21] <beandog> roasted: you can  give sudo permissions to run just ONE command
[20:21] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook:"sudo apt-get -f install
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> (21:16:54) ActionParsnip: yakster: you may find:    killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*            a simple scrollup would have shown that....
[20:21] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook:does this add anything ?
[20:21] <DasEi> does*
[20:21] <beandog> or any # of commands, really
[20:22] <yakster> I accidently closed the chat room… sry
[20:22] <guntbert> roasted: roasted yes, like beandog said too - AND you can allow that without the need for a password
[20:22] <beandog> the principle is that you can limit them to running specific commands
[20:22] <yakster> ok so removing pulse will cause the system to regenerate its config???
[20:23] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - 0 installed 0 newly .... 0 everything
[20:24] <roasted> guntbert: hmm, this sounds like what I need, but I'm not sure how I'd actually do it... do you have an example, or a link or something?
[20:24] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:24] <sentriz|netbook> oh god
[20:24] <beandog> roasted: just google for sudo howto, or read the manpage
[20:24] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - hoe to c&p that
[20:24] <beandog> it's pretty simple
[20:24] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - *how to c&p that
[20:25] <yakster> ok I have no pulseaudip processes
[20:25] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: simply issue cmds as given, it reurns a url, give that here
[20:25] <yakster> I do have ~./pulse/"gobbledygook"/ directory in my home folder
[20:26] <guntbert> beandog: please show him https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo  when he returns, I have to leave
[20:26] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: or c/p commands from messenger to terminal ?
[20:26] <beandog> guntbert: kk thx
[20:26] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - http://paste.ubuntu.com/933102/
[20:26] <crazyandi86> DasEi: again me, did it like this: "for i in $(printenv PATH | tr : " ");do find $i -name "*python*";done;"
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> yakster: the process needs killing to delete the pulse cookie and the pulse folder, they will then be regenerated
[20:26] <Mongey> Hey I'm getting really bad distortion / noise when I try to use my mic
[20:28] <crazyandi86> DasEi: think it will be faster, because it will only search in PATH, i think i should define a function for it
[20:28] <Mongey> Actually sound seems to be distorted too
[20:29] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - http://paste.ubuntu.com/933102/
[20:29] <DasEi> crazyandi86: sure, as said find played tricks on me, I like locate better
[20:30] <DrManhattan> I need a guide for the available kernels please - Im running ubuntu on a VM and I'm trying to get the best kernel for the machine
[20:30] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: got it the first time, apart from extras I can't find anything suspicious
[20:31] <crazyandi86> yes, at first also thougt so, but when i got the trick with find, you will like it to
[20:31] <sentriz|netbook> DasEi - so what do I do? Im sorry this is really bugging me
[20:31] <cocolos> msg nickserv identify carlosrojas
[20:31] <crazyandi86> i mean, there for sure will be use for both of the programs
[20:32] <sentriz|netbook> omg lol
[20:32] <yakster> ok, how do I find the PID of pulse audio?
[20:32] <crazyandi86> DasEi: thanks for your help
[20:33] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: "sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-shell
[20:34]  * yakster falls
[20:34]  * yakster fails at life
[20:37] <DasEi> yakster: ps -aux | grep pulse*
[20:37] <yakster> thx
[20:38] <yakster> ok, aparently I dont have pulse running on my system
[20:39] <DasEi> sentriz|netbook: if that also fails, you either have to crawl apt's messages or first set up a "rural" sources.list by commenting out any fancy lines, like updates, backports,extras and agaoin try to install, also I can't predict what extras with partners disabled will do
[20:39] <DasEi> yakster: or look in top/htop
[20:39] <mnewton> hey #ubuntu - anyone good at bash who can help me write a command
[20:40] <beandog> yakster: okay, out of curiosity, what are you trying to do?
[20:40] <yakster> top/htop???
[20:40] <DasEi> beandog: PID of pulse-aud.
[20:40] <yakster> alrighty then…. when my system starts, sometimes audio starts other times not….
[20:40] <yakster> well it alyws starts but not alyws are the sound cards the same
[20:41] <DasEi> mnewton: #bash
[20:41] <yakster> like plughw:0,0 is not alyws 0,0, sometimes it  1,0
[20:42] <beandog> yakster: how many sound cards do you have
[20:42] <beandog> DasEi: pidof pulseaudio ?
[20:42] <DasEi> beandog: is what yakster was looking for, y
[20:43] <yakster> its xbmcbuntu distro I am running… but the issue isnt xbmc, its ubuntu…
[20:43] <beandog> DasEi: I like pkill much better than kill
[20:43] <beandog> er.  yah.
[20:43] <beandog> not that anybody cares. :)
[20:43] <kubav> hi, what offers ubuntu instead of xampp?
[20:44] <DasEi> beandog: anyway, I'm tired now, later
[20:44] <Guest19755> I want to find out if my harddrive is SSD... any suggestions?
[20:45] <yakster> 2, if you ocunt the HDMI audio…
[20:45] <daftykins> Guest19755: check its' name
[20:46] <Guest19755> how do I check it's name? I'm running oneiric ocelot
[20:46] <yakster> guest19755, open the case, and with the power on spin it, does it feel like a gryo?
[20:46] <beandog> yakster: so you're trying to get it to load the audio devices in a fixed order every time
[20:46] <_r00t_> Guest19755: lsb_release -a
[20:46] <beandog> _r00t_: ooh thats cool
[20:47] <beandog> I always just used cat /etc/lsb-release
[20:47] <DrManhattan> ok so im looking at the kernel versions - and the linux-virutal is stripped of drivers? what would I need to do to get a specific driver for that - specifically the driver for my easycap 002, which is a module
[20:47] <shazzner> hi there
[20:47] <_r00t_> beandog: whatever makes you happy ;)
[20:47] <shazzner> ok I've got a weird, terrible problem. I have a 750GB disk that's is somehow completely full
[20:47] <yakster> sry i am chatting over 3g, and connection isnt to stable
[20:48] <ardian> Hi I am using Psensor to check my laptop temp what is normal temp ?
[20:48] <ardian> I have an i5 proccessor
[20:48] <shazzner> somehow it's showing 100% usage, but running the disk analysis program on the livecd only shows 20GBs used
[20:48] <yakster> yes that is correct beandog
[20:48] <shazzner> what's is going on? how do I get that space back?
[20:48] <Guest19755> from the terminal?
[20:48] <_r00t_> ardian: varies from chipset to chipset ... 40-50C are ok temps
[20:48] <beandog> yakster: are they all the same audio device?
[20:49] <_r00t_> shazzner: what os are you using ?
[20:49] <beandog> yakster: that is, are they all using the same audio module?  Because if they aren't, you could just force the order of modules being loaded.  That'd do it.
[20:49] <shazzner> _r00t_: ubuntu 12.04 on the disk
[20:49] <yakster> http://paste.ubuntu.com/933087/
[20:49] <beandog> yakster: or maybe you could reference the audio devices by name instead of index
[20:49] <shazzner> _r00t_: ubuntu 11.10 on the livecd
[20:49] <yakster> aplay -l
[20:49] <ardian> _r00t_, It's normal on idle but when I start some program like the "yes" command it starts and gets to 64*
[20:49] <snip_> hello
[20:49] <beandog> yakster: I like the module idea better
[20:49] <Garet> if i install winxp and than install ubuntu on second partition does grub will see xp boot too?
[20:50] <beandog> unless it's all hdma-intel
[20:50] <shrax> Garet yes
[20:50] <beandog> er, hda-intel
[20:50] <Garet> thank you
[20:50] <_r00t_> ardian: seens high for your cpu .... might be an idea to clear out dust from the fans / vents
[20:50] <beandog> yakster: either way, it's an alsa problem, not a ubuntu one
[20:50] <snip_> I have a question regarding getting the display backlight keys to work on a MacBook Pro 5,4 running 11.10
[20:50] <ardian> _r00t_, I bought this laptop last month
[20:51] <yakster> ok, so how to i refernce them… 1/2 the time it works with plughw:1 and toher times default… if that makes any sence
[20:51] <ardian> _r00t_, I don't know it works fine on Windows
[20:51] <yakster> is there an ALSA irc rm?
[20:51] <beandog> yakster: try this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922860
[20:51] <wylde> !alis | yakster
[20:51] <Guest19755> it just says no lsb modules available...
[20:52] <yakster> I just did a "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio" now … what that did IDK…. jsut sayin…
[20:53] <Garet> what version of ubuntu should i choose for my first linux if i have not so new pc and to have stable and supported one? :)
[20:53] <beandog> Garet: 11.10 should be okay
[20:54] <Garet> i installed 10.10 but it looks as not supported anymore ;) lucky me ;) thanks for adwise :)
[20:54] <yakster> wow-weee
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> yakster: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[20:55] <kubav> what offers ubuntu instead of xampp?
[20:55] <yakster> oneiric
[20:55] <teligard> Would anyone be able to tell me why when I boot my ubuntu box, the shares that I set up in the fstab are available, but if I umount -a -t cifs then mount -a, the system returns an error stating that cifs is not supported.  My fstab only has things set to be set up as cifs shares.
[20:56] <teligard> running ubuntu 11.10
[20:56] <beandog> teligard: are you trying to mount them as your user or root
[20:58] <DrManhattan> I want to be able to use my easycap 002 in my VM, I hope the driver is there for it
[20:58] <DrManhattan> if it isnt there for the virtual kernel, how do I get the module for it?
[21:01] <DrManhattan> cmon guys 1660 people here and no one knows how to get a module for the virtual kernel?
[21:01] <beandog> should load automatically.
[21:01] <beandog> if it doesnt, well, that's weird.
[21:01] <DrManhattan> nah the virtual kernel doesn't have that
[21:01] <DrManhattan> the normal kernel loads it just fine
[21:01] <beandog> then don't use a virtual kernel
[21:01] <DrManhattan> for the VM?
[21:01] <beandog> right
[21:01] <DrManhattan> alrighty, thx
[21:03] <tbrown> I love you guys Just something to say Random
[21:03] <tbrown> I know go to Ubuntu Random chat room
[21:04] <DrManhattan> generic it is!
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> DrManhattan: did you ask in #vbox or #vmware  whichever tech you are using?
[21:06] <DrManhattan> ActionParsnip, nah, it's an ubuntu Q but im cool w generic, it actually works better in vmware player than virtual
[21:06] <ActionParsnip> DrManhattan: I'd as in #vmware too
[21:06]  * beandog gives tbrown a cookie
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> DrManhattan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=924504&page=19
[21:07] <rakia> 3aslema
[21:07] <_r00t_> soz about that
[21:07] <ActionParsnip> DrManhattan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1753438
[21:07] <rakia> anis tu la
[21:08] <ActionParsnip> DrManhattan: modprobe easycap 'bars=0'
[21:09] <DrManhattan> thank you
[21:10] <maintou> anyone with some idea about how to set partitions for hybrid ssd+hdd ? i have 20gb ssd + 320 gb hdd , and my Q is should i use ssd only for /  and dd for swap and /home , or some others solution for it ? swap is no good for ssd
[21:11] <wroathe> How does Photoshop 5.5 run on Ubuntu?
[21:11] <wroathe> For those of you who have gotten it to work
[21:12] <beandog> maintou: that's a pretty good idea you've got already
[21:12] <auronandace> !appdb | wroathe
[21:13] <wroathe> auronandace: Thanks, I already know that's the preferred way of setting things up. My question was if any of you have experiencing with setting it up and using it
[21:13] <izzhed> hello there
[21:13] <auronandace> wroathe: better asked in #winehq
[21:14] <maintou> beandog: ok thx im o my way to install first tie Ubuntu on  my machine ! (not beginner just not used ubuntu , not big fan of .deb packages)
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> wroathe: could use Gimp instead
[21:14] <i7c> i can't hear my vlc audio with pulseaudio... it is shown in the "playback" tab of volume control, but the bars dont move... what could i do?
[21:14] <Celltech> True or false. XFCE is lighter and faster than Gnome
[21:14] <sandeep_> unable to compile kernel module for vmware any help?
[21:14] <beandog> Celltech: true
[21:14] <auronandace> Celltech: true
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> Celltech: lighter, yes. Faster is dependant on nconfig
[21:15] <vincenzo> ciao
[21:15] <Celltech> Ubuntu 10.04 How do I get it
[21:15] <vincenzo> !list
[21:15] <auronandace> !xfce | Celltech
[21:15] <beandog> maintou: good luck, the installer will help you with partitioning
[21:15] <i7c> Celltech: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[21:15] <Newbuntu2> hello
[21:16] <auronandace> !vmware | sandeep_
[21:16] <_r00t_> 'ello
[21:16] <sandeep_> unable to compile kernel module for vmware in ubuntu 12.4 any help?
[21:16] <Celltech> Awesome... Then I reboot and select it from the boot menu?
[21:16] <_r00t_> sandeep_: what module ?
[21:16] <auronandace> !12.04 | sandeep_
[21:16] <vincenzo> giochi xbox 360
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> sandeep_: ask in #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 support please
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> sandeep_: it's also 12.04 not 12.5
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> *12.4
[21:16] <auronandace> Celltech: you select it from the login screen
[21:17] <Newbuntu2> I need to convert timestamps in a csv file - the first column is "M/D/YYYY HH:MM:SS.ss", and I want to get the unix time equivalent
[21:17] <Celltech> Ok. so log out, then log into it instead. then I can go through and remove/purge the desktops I don't want and generic versions?
[21:17] <Newbuntu2> any examples?
[21:17] <auronandace> Celltech: removing gnome might be tricky
[21:17] <_r00t_> Newbuntu2: ask the question on #perl
[21:17] <auronandace> !purexfce | Celltech
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> Celltech: the choice is at the bottom middle after you click your username
[21:18] <Celltech> So just leave it but don't use it.
[21:18] <chiliblue> does ubuntu have all the v4l modules or is that something I will have to compile in
[21:18] <ActionParsnip> Celltech: probably easier
[21:18] <vincenzo> b sera
[21:18] <beandog> chiliblue: theyre in there
[21:18] <auronandace> Celltech: yes, that is what i would do
[21:18] <Celltech> Perfect. Sorry for not naming anyone. I've got 3 of you talking to me. And I'm paying full attention
[21:19] <chiliblue> beandog, in the main distro or precomiled in a package (that I don't seem to have installed
[21:19] <beandog> chiliblue: just part of the installed kernel
[21:20] <zozovitch> Plz ! Can i have the name of French Ubuntu ?
[21:20] <auronandace> !fr | zozovitch
[21:21] <zozovitch> Merci a vous
[21:21] <chiliblue> beandog wonder why they aren't coming up for my tv usb capture device. The web cam on my notebook works just fine
[21:21] <zozovitch> Thank's a lot :)
[21:21] <beandog> chiliblue: could be firmware
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> Celltech: you could install Xubuntu if you like XFCE and it will give a cleaner OS
[21:21] <vincenzo> irc.eltrium.net
[21:22] <tbrown> Am going to load Ubuntu in windows which VM should I use I have the Answer but I just want to see what you say:)
[21:22] <chiliblue> for the device, ok I will look into that. I guess you mean it is something that has to be pushed to the device.
[21:22] <l3d> was wondering is it sudo apt-get install gnome-session?     to make 11.10 look like and act like 10.10
[21:22] <Celltech> I had it a while back and it was so slow for some reason. So I came back to ubuntu 10.04 and it's flawless. But then again I was on xubuntu 11.10
[21:22] <vincenzo> list
[21:22] <zykotick9> !notunity | l3d
[21:23] <tbrown> Am going to load Ubuntu in windows which VM should I use I have the Answer but I just want to see what you say:)
[21:23] <vincenzo> lista xbox 360
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> l3d: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[21:24] <banseljaj> hello.
[21:24] <banseljaj> What is the way to have a script start at bootup?
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> banseljaj: is it after the user logs in or during boot, and does the script need root access?
[21:25] <banseljaj> ActionParsnip: No root access, after boot up
[21:26] <ActionParsnip> banseljaj: in dash there is an app called 'startup applications' you can add stuff there
[21:26] <banseljaj> Hmm.
[21:26] <banseljaj> Thanks
[21:27] <jvargas> what screencast application works? I've tried recordmydesktop but it has problems when converting to other formats and uploading to youtube.
[21:27] <jvargas> any recommendation?
[21:27] <beandog> jvargas: don't encode for youtube and let them do it
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> jvargas: xvidwincap or http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/help-test-new-screen-recording-app-eidete/
[21:28] <ActionParsnip> jvargas: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/linux-screencasting-tool-kazam-goes-gstreamer-adds-pulseaudio-support/
[21:28] <_r00t_> pulseaudio from 'natty updates' screwed me :( .... downgrading is a pain
[21:28] <jiffe98> anyone ever boot a machine via iscsi?  Is the iscsi disk supposed to show up as a local disk during linux installation?
[21:28] <banseljaj> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[21:29] <jvargas> beandog: I did, once it worked fine, next time it tells me the video is wrong, and with another video, it show it pixelated.
[21:29] <jvargas> thanks ActionParsnip, I am reading about them.
[21:31] <hypn0> ActionParsnip, they finally got the message, only took abt 2 versions :-) gnome classic
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> hypn0: how do you mean?
[21:32] <kdford> test
[21:32] <hypn0> not many desktop ppl like unity ActionParsnip
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> hypn0: then use xfce, lxde, kde or any other DE?
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> hypn0: gnome-panel was always available.....
[21:34] <hypn0> they should have defaulted to classic, with option for unity ActionParsnip
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> hypn0: you can install mini ISO, then install gnome-panel
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> hypn0: again, as I have said for the last year. You don't have to use Unity
[21:35] <vexaxv> hey parsnip
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> vexaxv: howdy
[21:36] <vexaxv> ActionParsnip, any idea if the fglrx proprietary ati/amd drivers are the same thing as amd-driver-installer-12-3-x86.x86_64.run downloaded from there site?
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> vexaxv: I'd imagine so, the proprietary driver is only made by AMD...
[21:37] <jvargas> ActionParsnip: Kazam did the job. I will recommend it.
[21:37] <scientes> vexaxv, yes, but the debian way is MUCH MUCH nicer
[21:38] <scientes> *debian/ubuntu way
[21:38] <tbrown> I was wondering on ubuntu do they have a team out in Iowa and if they do were is a located at or something because I was searching for it and I could not find it
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> jvargas: I've used none, I just know of those pages
[21:38] <vexaxv> ActionParsnip, but is it updated to the current version on there site? if u dont know how do i check lol
[21:38] <scientes> vexaxv, also the radeon FOSS driver is pretty good these days
[21:38] <vexaxv> lol
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> vexaxv: try the app, see what version is installed
[21:38] <pilotbub> theres something you rarely hear
[21:38] <scientes> vexaxv, yes it is actively updated
[21:38] <pilotbub> "The FOSS driver is pretty good these days"
[21:38] <vexaxv> k thanks guys
[21:39] <scientes> pilotbub, well AMD has opened up specs
[21:39] <vexaxv> got another question for ya guys lol
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> pilotbub: i get decent performance off nouveau on my nvidia 6150 onboard
[21:39] <scientes> pilotbub, and the radeon driver has better 2D performance
[21:40] <tbrown> I was wondering on ubuntu do they have a team out in Iowa and if they do were is a located at or something because I was searching for it and I could not find it
[21:40] <vexaxv> i tryed going to programming channels but nobody talks so this might be the wrong place to ask but i figured id try..im starting up programming, i wanted to know what do u guys think the best language would be for me to learn (idc if there hard i prefer em then "start here its easy") for making linux programs or even window programs, c++? python?
[21:40] <vexaxv> i heard python was more for support/plugins
[21:40] <scientes> vexaxv, python or ruby
[21:41] <vexaxv> why not c++
[21:41] <vexaxv> i thought thats what made everything nowadays
[21:41] <scientes> vexaxv, or vala over c++
[21:41] <iNeal> Anyone know how to fix the "only wallpaper loading" on Ubuntu 11.10? When I log in, it only loads the wallpaper, nothing else.
[21:42] <scientes> gtk is alot of vala, and qt is alot of c++
[21:42] <vexaxv> whats better about python over c++ and c++ over python?
[21:42] <scientes> iNeal, click the ubuntu icon next to your name, and select ubuntu-2d, and see if that works
[21:42] <zenmaster> Any expierence getting Radeon 7000-m driver for Ubuntu Server?
[21:43] <Riddell> vexaxv: for learning python is much better
[21:43] <scientes> zendeavor, did you try a current kernel, like 3.2? (radeon driver)
[21:43] <iNeal> scientes: I don't even have that top bar - all I see if the wallpaper. But I did try loading ubuntu-2d via terminal; it didn't help.
[21:43] <Riddell> c++ has too many concepts for it to be a beginner language
[21:43] <scientes> iNeal, try metacity --replace via terminal, DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace
[21:43] <zenmaster> scientes: No not sure yet.
[21:43] <vexaxv> well which language is best as a foundation (i know ill need another language for plugins and crap)
[21:43] <vexaxv> best to make games or programs
[21:44] <zenmaster> I have 3.0.0-12-server.
[21:44] <vexaxv> on linux mainly but windows as well
[21:45] <scientes> zendeavor, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
[21:45] <scientes> iNeal, you can get back to the login screen with ctrl-alt-sysrq-k
[21:46] <vexaxv> any ideas? best language to make games or programs on linux
[21:46] <scientes> iNeal, (sysrq == print screen button)
[21:46] <iNeal> scientes: It's a server :/
[21:46] <tbrown> can I run xchat in ubuntu
[21:46] <zykotick9> scientes: iNeal it's actuall alt+sysrq+k (ctrl not required)
[21:46] <vexaxv> yes tbrown
[21:46] <Lil> tbrown, sure
[21:46] <Areckx> I am having trouble with my iBus Anthy input for Japanese
[21:46] <Areckx> are there any alternatives for Japanese input?
[21:46] <vexaxv> im on xchat right now
[21:47] <tbrown> vexaxv: Thank you
[21:47] <Areckx> The issue is that I can input hiragana but the input does not convert to kanji
[21:47] <vexaxv> tbrown, np
[21:47] <vexaxv> scientes, best language for programs/games on linux??
[21:48] <iNeal> scientes: this is what i see when i log in - http://cl.ineal.me/1L1G422B0j1S383z0Z1B
[21:48] <scientes> Areckx, there is scim
[21:48] <scientes> Areckx, however scim is broken with gtk3 from what i've heard
[21:48] <Areckx> I am running 10.04
[21:48] <Areckx> I heard of IM-JA
[21:48] <scientes> iNeal, yeah you need to use ubuntu-2d
[21:48] <Areckx> but when attempting to install it I ran into problems
[21:49] <scientes> iNeal, or run metacity --replace
[21:49] <iNeal> And when I do DISPLAY:0 thing, I get No protocol specified Window manager error: Unable to open X display :0
[21:49] <brynne_> hi
[21:49] <brynne_> what does this error code mean?: http://i.imgur.com/VQXjp.jpg
[21:49] <brynne_> :X
[21:49] <scientes> iNeal, you only have to set the DISPLAY variable if you are running from a tty that isn't in the desktop session
[21:49] <iNeal> scientes: Ah, with metacity --replace, i get the top thing to close folder/apps
[21:50] <Areckx> scientes:: I think I have gtk2 running
[21:50] <vexaxv> brynne_, means he sucks to much black ****
[21:50] <brynne_> ?
[21:50] <iNeal> scientes: Is there any way I can make it load ubuntu-2d by default?
[21:50] <scientes> Areckx, some apps are gtk2 and some apps have moved to gtk3
[21:50] <Areckx> oh I see
[21:50] <scientes> iNeal, yes, click the ubuntu icon next to your name when you log in, and select ubuntu-2d
[21:51] <scientes> iNeal, or install gnome-session-fallback for a more gnome 2 like experience (with gnome-panel)
[21:51] <iNeal> scientes: It's a server and I use NX NoMachine to login
[21:51] <iNeal> oh okay
[21:52] <Areckx> I would like to use an input method that is at least as good as Microsoft IME
[21:52] <iNeal> I already have gnome-session-fallback
[21:52] <scientes> iNeal, the sessions are in /usr/share/xsessions/
[21:52] <scientes> iNeal, im not sure how nx selects them
[21:53] <iNeal> scientes: I want nx to select ubuntu-2d right? or gnome-fallback?
[21:53] <iNeal> gnome-classic.desktop gnome-shell.desktop xfce.desktop xubuntu.desktop gnome.desktop ubuntu-2d.desktop xsession.desktop gnome-fallback.desktop ubuntu.desktop xterm.desktop
[21:53] <scientes> iNeal, either one should work, choose depending on your preferences
[21:53] <iNeal> those are all i have
[21:53] <iNeal> Okay, thanks
[21:53] <scientes> iNeal, xfce would also work
[21:59] <schultza> what is the name of the package for the gnome menu that looks like opensuse or even regular suse?
[22:00] <zykotick9> schultza: IF that exists - you'd need to go outside the default ubuntu repositories.
[22:01] <schultza> it used to be part of the ubuntu package... oh... mint uses it as well
[22:01] <scientes> schultza, do you mean cinnomon?
[22:01] <schultza> never heard of it...
[22:01] <scientes> could be
[22:01] <iNeal> scientes: Awesome, I changed nx config to load gnome-classic and it worked!
[22:01] <iNeal> thanks :)
[22:01] <zykotick9> schultza: cinnomon = mint's interface
[22:01] <OerHeks> schultza, KDE ?
[22:04] <schultza> it's the closest to what im looking for at the moment... yes
[22:05] <xMopxShe1l> hey, if I shut off my computer while a raid 5 mdadm array is syncing, will my progress be lost?
[22:06] <jiffe98> is it possible to install ubuntu on a remote iscsi disk?
[22:06] <jiffe98> the BIOS supports booting iscsi, I gave it a shot and it installs but fails to install a boot loader
[22:07] <skel> jiffe98: hm yeah I don't know that your boot parition could be iSCSI
[22:08] <clausen> I can't get foreign languages working in the latest beta...
[22:08] <zykotick9> jiffe98: could you install grub to a local disk?  grub would need to support iscsi as well (i have no idea about that)... good luck.
[22:08] <clausen> the gnome-language-support option doesn't let me use Portuguese
[22:08] <clausen> (even though it says I installed it already, when I go to Add/Remove languages)
[22:08] <skel> clausen: did you switch over to it?
[22:08] <clausen> zykotick9, can't grub just bootstrap off the BIOS's support for iscsi?
[22:08] <clausen> skel, I can't
[22:09] <clausen> skel, it's greyed out
[22:09] <zykotick9> clausen: ? big question mark there - i don't know
[22:09] <SolarNRG> Does anybody in here like putting metal in the microwave?
[22:09] <jiffe98> thats what I was figuring
[22:09] <zykotick9> clausen: i don't even know if iscsi has a typical mbr?  never touched iscsi in my life ;)
[22:10] <skel> clausen: does it show up in locale -a ?
[22:10] <jiffe98> but I don't know what the motherboard's support for iscsi boot really does
[22:10] <clausen> skel, everything shows up in locale -a
[22:10] <clausen> (sorry, not everything
[22:10] <clausen> but chinese, german, ...)
[22:11] <clausen> (but not spanish.  weird!)
[22:11] <ukbeast> Unity is way wizz on my netbook now, and wifi suspend works out of the box!
[22:11] <skel> clausen: have you tried using update-locale LANG=<whatever> LC_MESSAGES=POSIX ?
[22:12] <beandog> ukbeast: wifi suspend?
[22:12] <clausen> skel, $ update-locale LANG=pt_BR LC_MESSAGES=POSIX*** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings:  LANG=pt_BR LC_MESSAGES=POSIX
[22:12] <clausen> zykotick9, you can put an MBR on anything...
[22:13] <ukbeast> when you suspend on 11.10, wifi stopped working
[22:13] <skel> clausen: what about pt_BR.UTF8 ?
[22:13] <clausen> skel, yes, that one works, but it wants root privileges
[22:13] <skel> clausen: hmm weird
[22:13] <clausen> (what does update-locale do?  it doesn't have a man page)
[22:13] <zykotick9> clausen: well, good luck.  i have no knowledge of booting iscsi so i'm of no assistance (should have just kept my mouth shut ;)
[22:14] <ukbeast> gnome 3.4 seems to be bloated in comparison to unity?
[22:14] <skel> clausen: I think it just sets those env variables and re-inits the environment so you don't have to logout /in. not positive on that though
[22:14]  * beandog recommends evilwm for lightweight goodness
[22:15] <beandog> I probably shouldn't say that here.
[22:15] <clausen> skel, ah, ok
[22:15] <ukbeast> beandog: link please :)
[22:15] <beandog> ukbeast: nothing
[22:15] <lionofgod> Hello, I accidentally typed sudo apt-get remove
[22:15] <lionofgod> I need help in restoring my system >.<
[22:15] <lionofgod> I have so far installed ubuntu-desktop, unity and gnome again
[22:15] <lionofgod> I dont know what else I need to install to restore system
[22:16] <lionofgod> is anyone able to help me?
[22:16] <ukbeast> beandog: ok
[22:16] <clausen> skel, this gives me portuguese help:  LANG=pt_BR.UTF8 ls --help
[22:16] <ukbeast> lionofgod how far can you get?
[22:16] <clausen> skel, what I'm really interested in is being able to use ibus for portuguese, hindi, and other scripts
[22:16] <lionofgod> I have unity working
[22:16] <lionofgod> my login screen is kind of messed up
[22:17] <skel> clausen: yeah you could just try setting LANG=pt_BR.UTF8 in your .bashrc but I don't know if the Window manager will pick that up
[22:17] <lionofgod> but it seems my files are okay
[22:17] <skel> clausen: I'm not familiar with ibus, whats that?
[22:17] <ukbeast> what needs to be installed?
[22:17] <lionofgod> I ahve no diea
[22:17] <skel> clausen: is that like a replacement for dbus?
[22:17] <lionofgod> is their any log
[22:17] <clausen> skel, it's a keyboard entry method
[22:17] <lionofgod> that gets filled when apt-get remove is run?
[22:17] <clausen> skel, no, it's not related to dbus
[22:17] <lionofgod> I know that my mic is not working right now
[22:17] <ukbeast> open terminal and press Up key
[22:18] <lionofgod> but I can hear stuff
[22:18] <ukbeast> it shows history in terminal
[22:18] <skel> clausen: ah ok
[22:18] <Areckx> I would like to use an Japaneseinput method that is at least as good as Microsoft IME
[22:18] <lionofgod> ?
[22:18] <Areckx> I am running 10.04
[22:19] <l3d> ok I have tried the fallback thing to make 11.10 look like 10.10 and wow did I go back to 10.10 (thank you remastersys) why mess with a good thing I will never know. so I was looking  and found that if I liked and would like to use what I am used to try linux mint 12 so thanks alot ubuntu
[22:19] <lionofgod> sudo apt-get remove python libapache2-mod-python
[22:19] <lionofgod> this is the command i typed
[22:19] <lionofgod> and it screwed me over
[22:19] <const_antine> hi, question, where can i learn about drafting non-disclosure agreements? is there a business/legal issues room for engineers?
[22:19] <ukbeast> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python
[22:19] <lionofgod> how can I check if improtant system files are missing?
[22:19] <lionofgod> no
[22:19] <lionofgod> but when i typed that command, instead of removing that package it started removing system files
[22:20] <lionofgod> i ahve ubuntu software center working I jsut dont know what files were unisntalled
[22:20] <acicula> const_antine: heu try contacting a lawyer?
[22:20] <skel> const_antine: an opensource backed irc network probably isn't the best place to look for proprietary legal advice :)
[22:20] <ukbeast> what it say under history?
[22:20] <lionofgod> bothing
[22:20] <lionofgod> *nothing
[22:21] <const_antine> it's not proprietary we just don't want our hardware guy to go all zuckerberg on us
[22:21] <lionofgod> i mean it jsut tells em commands but not what was uninstalled
[22:21] <lionofgod> my mic is not working how do i fix that?
[22:21] <const_antine> anyway thanks
[22:21] <skel> const_antine: non-disclosure == proprietary, but anyway maybe look around on opensource.org and check out the EFF's website.. I can't think of anywhere on this network that would be helpful
[22:21] <lionofgod> what software must have been uninstalled for mic not to work?
[22:21] <ukbeast> did it work before
[22:21] <lionofgod> yes
[22:22] <_r00t_> lionofgod: are you sure no one tampered with it ?
[22:22] <lionofgod> no
[22:22] <lionofgod> I actaully
[22:22] <lionofgod> typed sudo apt-get remove
[22:22] <lionofgod> and my system files were getting deleeted
[22:22] <lionofgod> so i shutdown computer
[22:22] <FloodBot1> lionofgod: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:23] <ukbeast> reinstall ubuntu-minimal
[22:23] <lionofgod> when i restarted desktop wasnt working so i installed ubuntu-desktop, unity, gnome
[22:23] <lionofgod> k
[22:23] <_r00t_> lionofgod: maybe someone shoved the mic up the... no wait
[22:23] <lionofgod> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal
[22:23] <ukbeast> yep
[22:24] <ukbeast> it makes sure all needed files are in check
[22:24] <_r00t_> earlier this week I returned to find that my kid thought it was great fun to rip off the keys on my laptop o_O
[22:24] <lionofgod> it says that it is installed
[22:24] <HelpWubi001> Can I please get some assistance with a Wubi installation ?
[22:24] <acicula> _r00t_: my cat used to do that too
[22:25] <lionofgod> how do i install compiz again?
[22:25] <ukbeast> Is synaptic installd?
[22:25] <lionofgod> yes
[22:25] <xMopxShe1l> if I shut off my computer while a raid 5 mdadm array is syncing or recovering, will my progress be lost?
[22:25] <acicula> HelpWubi001: do you have a particular question?
[22:26] <lionofgod> what do i use synaptic for??
[22:26] <ukbeast> right click ubuntu-minmal and click reintsall
[22:26] <lionofgod> k
[22:26] <_r00t_> acicula: damn .... matters got worse when the mother patched it up. I started typing and the keys started falling off ROFL
[22:26] <ukbeast> installing deb. files
[22:26] <ukbeast> *packages
[22:26] <lionofgod> k it is reinstalled
[22:26] <HelpWubi001> acicula: I've downloaded the 11.10 and installed it with wubi but afer the restart it won't continue. Something along the line of: Cannot find wubdir
[22:26] <lionofgod> anything else?
[22:27] <acicula> _r00t_: hehe, i fortunatel then had a dell where i could click the keys back in to place
[22:27] <ukbeast> reinstalled compiz?
[22:27] <lionofgod> yes am doing so
[22:27] <acicula> HelpWubi001: when you boot do you get some kind of boot menu or?
[22:27] <_r00t_> acicula: yeah :) Mother didn't know how to click them into place properly LOL *sighs* The joys of life
[22:28] <lionofgod> ok i will try restarting to see if everything is okay
[22:28] <lionofgod> thank you
[22:28] <ukbeast> OK, Ill wait
[22:28] <HelpWubi001> acicula: no, it goes into the process of booting the ubuntu installation but can't finnd wubdir (it looks on all partitions hdd 0,0 then 0,1 and so on)
[22:29] <ukbeast> _r00t_ needs a 403 *trolls
[22:29] <HelpWubi001> acicula: after it fails it prompts me to ctrl-alt-del and then I can see Windows 7 and Ubuntu menu
[22:29] <ukbeast> trying to use wubi?
[22:29] <_r00t_> ukbeast: sod that my apache.conf reads ErrorDocument 403 | 12000Volts
[22:30] <acicula> i suppose wubdir is where wubi puts the wubi installation files, can you see that directory anywere when you boot windows7?
[22:30] <ukbeast> XD you are sooo.. forbidden :P
[22:31] <HelpWubi001> acicula: I see an ubuntu folder and a wubildr.mbr
[22:31] <ukbeast> Master boot record? - mbr
[22:32] <Fyodorovna> !tab | ukbeast
[22:32] <tbrown2012> I have something to say I just installed ubuntu 11.10 and I want to know how I can install my drivers that would be okay I see a icon on the top right conder it looks like a drivers or something and it has a lock on it what do I do with that?
[22:32] <lionofgod> Hey
[22:32]  * _r00t_ wonders why mkv files created by ffmpeg can't be viewed on windows :/
[22:32] <lionofgod> Everything seems okay but my login screen is messed up
[22:33] <lionofgod> I get a box in middle of screen with usernames and I dont get to schoose desktop environemnt it jsut logs me in
[22:33] <mneptok> _r00t_: try VLC on Win
[22:33] <tbrown2012> I have something to say I just installed ubuntu 11.10 and I want to know how I can install my drivers that would be okay I see a icon on the top right conder it looks like a drivers or something and it has a lock on it what do I do with that?
[22:33] <lionofgod> this is ubuntu 11.10
[22:33] <rhin0> why am I getting on  sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`  Media Change: Please insert the disc labelle  'Xubuntu 10.04.2 _Lucid Lynx_ - Release amd64 (20110215.1)'  -- anyone know?
[22:33] <ukbeast> Did I type something I should not?
[22:33] <lionofgod> ?
[22:33] <_r00t_> mneptok: I'm trying to edit the files :/
[22:33] <ukbeast> lionofgod: It is auto logging in
[22:34] <_r00t_> vcodec on linux libx264
[22:34] <lionofgod> ?
[22:34] <acicula> HelpWubi001: can you run chkdsk /r on the disk that wubi is installed on?
[22:34] <ukbeast> one sec
[22:34] <aaas> what cpu temps are people running at?
[22:34] <lionofgod> i ahve it set to autolog
[22:34] <lionofgod> but
[22:34] <lionofgod> the desktop screen is not the usual one
[22:34] <_r00t_> HelpWubi001 ..... acicula 's chkdsk is a winner
[22:34] <ukbeast> is it lightdm?
[22:35] <ukbeast> or gdm?
[22:35] <lionofgod> no i set it to gdm
[22:35] <lionofgod> when iw as isntalling gnome
[22:35] <tbrown2012> Can someone help me?
[22:35] <lionofgod> its suppsoed to b lightdm?
[22:35] <acicula> HelpWubi001: short version if windows is not shutdown properly then wubi will not be able to start
[22:35] <lionofgod> how do i change
[22:35] <HelpWubi001> acicula: the drive is C: can't run it while windows is using it
[22:35] <FloodBot1> lionofgod: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:35] <lionofgod> How do i change from gdm to lightdm?
[22:35] <acicula> HelpWubi001: eh? what is the output of chkdsk?
[22:35] <ukbeast> One sec
[22:36] <civixier> Hi all. I am using lubuntu, but everyone in that channel is idle, so I am trying my luck here. When I suspend my computer at any screen brightness and start it up again the screen brightness goes up to 100%. Any ideas? (lubuntu, lxde, ux21e)
[22:36] <acicula> lionofgod: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
[22:36] <lionofgod> i type that in terminal?
[22:36] <acicula> tbrown2012: best to just ask a question
[22:36] <lionofgod> and select lighdm?
[22:37] <HelpWubi001> acicula: http://paste.ubuntu.com/933229/
[22:37] <acicula> lionofgod: think you need to specify some settings
[22:37] <lionofgod> k
[22:37] <acicula> HelpWubi001: choose yes, reboot, wait for it to finish checking, try booting wubi again
[22:37] <tbrown2012> acicula: Is there anyway that I can see were the drivers are located in ubuntu
[22:37] <ukbeast>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure light-dm
[22:37] <HelpWubi001> will do
[22:37] <lionofgod> k
[22:38] <acicula> tbrown2012: kernel modules/drivers are located under /lib/modules/<kernel-version>
[22:38] <ukbeast> srry sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[22:38] <lionofgod> it says lightdm is not isntalled
[22:38] <_r00t_> civixier: !pm
[22:38] <lionofgod> k
[22:38] <lionofgod> that works
[22:38] <ukbeast> after just logout
[22:38] <lionofgod> gave me a warning
[22:38] <lionofgod> dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing
[22:38] <lionofgod> dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE missing
[22:39] <acicula> tbrown2012: do you have a problem with a driver?
[22:39] <lionofgod> is that warning okay>
[22:39] <lionofgod> should i just logout?
[22:39] <civixier> _r00t_ > yep, even when I run pm-suspend instead of closing the lid.
[22:39] <ukbeast> ignore and see what happens
[22:39] <lionofgod> k
[22:40] <acicula> civixier: does lubunt have some kind of power-managment app in the settings menu? afaik in normal ubuntu you can mess with the brightness settings there
[22:40] <_r00t_> civixier: yes ... the scripts that run during restore are setting defaults
[22:40] <tbrown2012> acicula: I dont know am kind of wondering to my self because I got a notice on my computer and it said there were two drivers that need to be installed but last time when I installed them I got a nastey watermark before from AMD
[22:41] <civixier> acicula: yeah, Ive been in there, but nothing on the brightness subject.
[22:42] <ukbeast> I still use flash player 10.3 cause adobe removed the acceleration
[22:42] <civixier> _r00t_ ah, do you know where I can change the default settings for screen brightness in lxde?
[22:42] <acicula> tbrown2012: ah that notice is because some propriatary drivers do not get installed by default, which is why you have to activate them. They get installed in the same place as the normal ones. Though you dont necessarily need to install the propriatary amd drivers though you wont get much in the way of 3d acceleration then
[22:43] <ardian> Is it normal for a laptop to have temp 60 * for 1-2 seconds after I start a programm ?
[22:44] <ukbeast> ardian: turning on the pc after 2sec?
[22:44] <sentriz|netbook> anyone know how to remove the whole ubuntu chat mibbit thing, away busy under your name too
[22:44] <acicula> ardian: yup
[22:44] <sentriz|netbook> not mibbit
[22:44] <lionofgod> Thank you so much ukbeast, you helped me get my ubuntu back : D
[22:44] <sentriz|netbook> not mibbit
[22:44] <sentriz|netbook> gwibber
[22:44] <FloodBot1> sentriz|netbook: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:44] <ukbeast> no worries ;)
[22:44] <tbrown2012> acicula: So I dont need to install or if I do how do I install them the right way
[22:44] <never2far> has anyone use byobu ?
[22:45] <never2far> *used
[22:45] <acicula> tbrown2012: just using the tool that ubuntu provides to install additional drivers should be enough
[22:45] <sentriz|netbook> anyone know how to remove the whole ubuntu communication thing, away busy under your name too
[22:45] <acicula> which is the same tool that gave you the notice about installing the drivers
[22:45] <tbrown2012> acicula: Were do I find the tool at?
[22:46] <Areckx> is there a terminal command to check the remaining hard disk space?
[22:46] <iluwka> какой порт в торе в ирц прописывать?
[22:46] <iluwka> 9050,,
[22:46] <sentriz|netbook> the online accounts thing
[22:46] <ukbeast> jockey
[22:46] <acicula> its called something drivers, its in either of the two administration menus
[22:46] <L3top> !ru
[22:46] <acicula> Areckx: df -h
[22:46] <Areckx> also, sometimes I have accidentally did ctrl+alt something and it would ask me "2000 will be displaced, y/n?" and it displays all of the available terminal commands, what is the keystroke?
[22:47] <Areckx> acicula::  thank you!
[22:47] <sentriz|netbook> how to get a list of installed packages?
[22:47] <acicula> sentriz|netbook: dpkg-query -l
[22:47] <ukbeast> synaptic
[22:47] <sentriz|netbook> thanks
[22:47] <Kanerix> dpkg -l will do it too
[22:48] <acicula> sentriz|netbook: dpkg(-query) in general for all your package information needs
[22:49] <ukbeast> I <3 rhythmbox over banshee
[22:49] <gr33n7007h> Areckx, tab tab
[22:50] <tbrown2012> aricula: Am in the Additional Drivers and I see the ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX grapics Drivers and they want me to make it active but the thing is last time I deed it I got a watermark I know I said that but I deed not understand what you said last time sorry:(
[22:50] <MrJones> hello
[22:51] <ukbeast> are there any anime themes for ubuntu?
[22:51] <tbrown2012> MrJones: Hello
[22:51] <MrJones> is it intended that the last recent nginx update overwrites web contents with a stupid empty "Welcome to nginx!" html file?
[22:51] <MrJones> if not you shoul probably hold that update back and repair that :p
[22:51] <MrJones> *should
[22:52] <megamanx1978> I am having trouble installing desura can someone help
[22:53] <Areckx> gr33n7007h::  thanks!
[22:53] <MrJones> Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS btw
[22:55] <ukbeast> later my fellow penguins
[22:55] <acicula> tbrown2012: not sure what you mean by watermark, you do not strictly need to activate those drivers though, unless you intend to do things like gaming
[22:55] <_Marcus> Quack
[22:55] <_Marcus> That's what penguins do, right?
[22:56] <_Marcus> Anyway, is it possible to install Ubuntu without having GRUB on my system? I noticed it goes over Windows' boot loader
[22:57] <bobweaver> I have a question located here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZYgwJVmn2Y    thanks for your time
[22:57] <bobweaver> any pointer to links or anything would be helpful at this point
[23:00] <acicula> bobweaver: why not just ask your question here?
[23:01] <megamanx1978> desura wont install or update can someone please help
[23:01] <bobweaver> because it is long and hard to type out that much It would flood the place :)
[23:01] <acicula> _Marcus: you can opt to install grub on a separate usb stick, and then boot from that instead, but you will need grub or some bootloader capable of loading the linux kernel
[23:02] <tbrown2012> what is the command for root
[23:02] <_Marcus> So I need GRUB?
[23:02] <_Marcus> tbrown2012: To run a command as root, type "sudo " before the command
[23:02] <DrManhattan> Woohoo! I got it working
[23:02] <Arturas> Hi, I've got a new computer and I'm gonna be installing Ubuntu. Now can anyone suggest me if I should go for the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Beta2 or 11.10?
[23:02] <bobweaver> !root
[23:03] <DrManhattan> so now I just have to figure out how to make my easycap load up 4 video devices and i'm good to go
[23:03] <bobweaver> ArchNemesis,  12.04 HANDS DOWN
[23:03] <acicula> _Marcus: more or less yeah
[23:03] <_Marcus> Hm.. Is Wubi a virtual machine? Like VMWare?
[23:03] <DrManhattan> lol @ whoever put that into ubottu
[23:04] <acicula> _Marcus: no its not
[23:04] <tbrown2012> _Marcus: Sorry that not what am looking for make the  root:tbrown2012@HP:~$ or something like that
[23:04] <bobweaver> sorry ArchNemesis  thatwas for Arturas
[23:04] <_Marcus> tbrown2012: So you wish to log into root?
[23:04] <tbrown2012> _Marcus: Yes
[23:04] <bobweaver> Marcus wubi is like a .exe that instals onto the system not virtual at all
[23:04] <_Marcus> tbrown2012: Type "sudo su"
[23:05] <tbrown2012> _Marcus: I keep forgetting that sorry:)
[23:05] <bobweaver> !sudo su
[23:05] <acicula> _Marcus: all wubi does is instead of using a partition as a root file system it uses a file as its root filesystem.
[23:05] <bobweaver> Marcus plz tell users to use sudo -i for root as sudo su is more danger
[23:05] <_Marcus> acicula: So does it require GRUB still?
[23:06] <_Marcus> bobweaver: Sorry, didn't know
[23:06] <yeik> wubi uses windows boot manager, it doesn't use grub.
[23:06] <_Marcus> Great
[23:06] <bobweaver> _Marcus, No grub it is like a exe file like any other file that you install on a windows computer
[23:06] <Arturas> bobweaver, but why is 12.04 a beta then? Sounds kind of scary...
[23:06] <tbrown2012> what will sudo apt-get -dist upgrade do again
[23:06] <yeik> bobweaver,  isn't sudo -s better?
[23:06] <tbrown2012> or deed it do that wrong
[23:07] <yeik> tbrown2012, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades to the next distribution release.
[23:07] <clausen>  bobweaver what is dangerous about sudo and su?
[23:07] <DrManhattan> ugh weak - I can only use 1 input at a time
[23:07] <bobweaver> Arturas, I have been using 12.04 for about 6 months now and had to go back to 11.10 real quick last night and was like Wow there is such a differennce
[23:07] <DrManhattan> well, for 20 bucks a piece I guess I can just order 3 more
[23:07] <Arturas> Is 12.04 stable enough?
[23:08] <Arturas> Well I mean does it feel stable enough?
[23:08] <yeik> clausen, su changes user, sudo will time out. if you forget to log off the terminal, it is very dangerous and it is a much safer practice
[23:09] <tbrown2012> how to install package that deed not install all the way or something
[23:10] <yeik> tbrown2012, i believe it is sudo apt-get install -f
[23:10] <clausen> yeik, but most users don't only care about attacks over the network?
[23:10] <yeik> you might have to do dpkg configure -a
[23:10] <acicula> Arturas: if you are familiar with ubuntu i suppose its fine if you are willing to experiment a bit.
[23:10] <Areckx> ok, so how do I check my OS version?
[23:10] <Areckx> in terminal
[23:11] <acicula> Arturas: lsb_release -a
[23:11] <clausen> yeik, (s/don't//)
[23:11] <acicula> err meant Areckx
[23:11] <sissy_wangus> hi everybody
[23:11] <birthmother> urbuttoo lol
[23:11] <sissy_wangus> ^^^
[23:11] <DrSerbia> buttes
[23:11] <Areckx> acicula::  thought so hehe
[23:11] <Meepsheep>    penises
[23:11] <Areckx> acicula::  thanks
[23:11] <Areckx> 10.04.4
[23:12] <yeik> clausen, imagine running a command as root that you forgot was actually in a root terminal. deleting a wrong file or directory. or most often, attacks that want your data are local. its much easier to get access physically.
[23:12] <tbrown2012> Will I got all of my updates Know am going to install xfce know better I think I dont like the apps in the left side
[23:12] <yeik> also, the possibility of hijacking your session.
[23:12] <Tasmania> Is Ubuntu GUI based?
[23:12] <clausen> yeik, most people have a separate window for root commands?
[23:12] <birthmother> jacking your ses
[23:12] <sissy_wangus> hi tasmania
[23:13] <clausen> yeik, and if someone hijacks your session, you are screwed anyway?
[23:13] <lionofgod> Hello, I am able to wtach youtube videos but cannot watch anyother videos
[23:13] <Meepsheep> tasmania sup!
[23:13] <lionofgod> I think it may be because I am using html5 for youtube
[23:13] <yeik> clausen, if your not root, they don't necessarily have your password. and everybody is different. it is just much safer. You don't have to lock your front door on your house
[23:13] <clausen> yeik, if someone gets unprivileged access, they can just alias "sudo" to something that logs keystrokes
[23:13] <acicula> Tasmania: yes
[23:13] <lionofgod> I jsut reinsalled chromium
[23:13] <yeik> clausen, but it is much safer to keep it locked at all times.
[23:13] <Tasmania> aye.
[23:14] <vexaxv> how do i change the default python version on ubuntu? i just installed python 3.2.3 from source but it still says 2.7.2 is default
[23:14] <clausen> yeik, I don't see how it's any safer... in fact, I would think it's safer to abolish passwords, and have a root window (that can only be access locally)
[23:14] <acicula> clausen: thats how it works now
[23:15] <clausen> (i.e. abolish passwords for priviledge elevation)
[23:15] <zenmaster> So uh, on Vsftpd, I have local users enabled, and write enabled. But when I login with local user, I can't upload? Permision denied even to my own home dir.... :*(
[23:15] <lionofgod> I cant watch videos online, can someone help me?
[23:15] <lionofgod> I jsut reinstalled chromium
[23:15] <clausen> acicula, I still have to type passwords for privilege elevation...
[23:15] <lionofgod> but on firefox and chrome videos are not working
[23:15] <clausen> (even with policykit)
[23:15] <acicula> clausen: you have to type your own password yes
[23:15] <yeik> clausen, passwords aren't safe. they are a deterrent. nothing is secure. only make it harder to get to. What if i don't have physical access to my machine? ie a virtual machine loaded in a cloud in amazon?
[23:15] <ardian> acicula, I have that problem with the temp also if I open any site like in twitter when I look at the pics, it goes for 1-2 seconds and then it comes back to 54* so that is normal
[23:16] <acicula> clausen: though you can disable that in the sudoers file fairly easily so you can use sudo from your user without typing a password
[23:16] <yeik> also, multi user system, no root password is safer because if someone leaves you can remove them from sudo, instead of changing root password for any computers that used it.
[23:16] <clausen> acicula, can you insist on local sudo only?
[23:16] <clausen> (on the terminal)
[23:16] <clausen> (i.e. on the physical keybaord, etc.)
[23:17] <acicula> clausen: what i use is : my server has no passwords set, i can ssh in using keybased authentication as my user and use sudo
[23:17] <clausen> yeik, remote access isn't such a common use case.  in any case, ssh public key is a better solution than passwords
[23:17] <yeik> clausen, common use for who?
[23:17] <clausen> yeik, for random people on #ubuntu you might recommend sudo to
[23:18] <clausen> acicula, me too
[23:18] <yeik> clausen, I remote into my server all the time. infact i have a constant connection up. rarely am i physically at it.
[23:18] <yeik> clausen, you asked why sudo is better than su
[23:18] <Areckx> I am still unable to run java
[23:18] <Areckx> oh nvm
[23:18] <clausen> yeik, actually, I think both su and sudo are a disaster... it would make more sense to authenticate with keys somehow
[23:19] <yeik> and then you asked why not disable root except for physically.
[23:19] <clausen> (for remote access, I mean)
[23:19] <acicula> clausen: those two are not related?
[23:19] <clausen> is it possible to disable root, except for physically?
[23:19] <yeik> clausen, once you have an ssh connection, which you can set up to only allow keys, then its no different than being at the computer.
[23:20] <acicula> i think the reason for using sudo over su is just to prevent people from running a shell as root all the time, thereby circumventing any protections the system might have
[23:21] <yeik> acicula, that is what i was stating earlier, it has a time out. and also people can be removed from it (users/admins) without requiring a root password change
[23:21] <lionofgod> Hello. I accidentally almsot formatted my ubuntu, I finally have it running again but I cannot get videos to work
[23:21] <fnordism>   /join #hamradio
[23:21] <lionofgod> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer, I even tried reinstalling flash
[23:21] <yeik> clausen, ubuntu is an operating system, it is going to be set up to be used the most securly and conviently for standard uses and users.
[23:21] <lionofgod> please can someone help me to get videos to work
[23:22] <yeik> lionofgod, what kind of videos?
[23:22] <lionofgod> I can view youtube videos, i think its cuz im on html5 trial
[23:22] <lionofgod> but videos on sites like animeseason
[23:22] <think> ui23
[23:22] <clausen> yeik, acicula, so you don't know any way to discriminate against non-local logins?
[23:22] <lionofgod> http://www.animeseason.com/naruto-shippuuden-episode-48/
[23:22] <clausen> (isn't there something like /etc/securetty?)
[23:22] <lionofgod> those dont work
[23:22] <lionofgod> I think those are flash
[23:23] <vexaxv> how do u uninstall something uve installed by source (its not in synpatic or the software center)
[23:23] <yeik> clausen, im not an expert, but i don't think it works like that. I can create a shell session locally, walk away and reattach. the user was logged in locally. how can i tell if it is remote or not?
[23:23] <acicula> clausen: yes you can disable gaining root priviledges from a remote terminal, but why would you want that
[23:23] <yeik> lionofgod, can you go to adobe flash about page and see if it tells you what version you have installed?
[23:24] <Diamondcite> lionofgod: They are flash, which browser?
[23:24] <Diamondcite> lionofgod: And if it's firefox, did you close all windows and re-open firefox since flash was installed?
[23:24] <clausen> yeik, you're thinking of screen or tmux?
[23:25] <clausen> yeik, if you're running screen/tmux as root, you'd need to be root to reattach?
[23:25] <yeik> clausen, i can run screen as myself, and su inside screen. or sudo. you are trying to complicate things too much.
[23:25] <Diamondcite> clausen: You will need the user which launched the screen session to re-attach to it.
[23:25] <clausen> acicula, it might make priviledge elevation attacks harder
[23:26] <clausen> acicula, I'm more worried about people aliasing sudo=keylogger
[23:26] <lionofgod> Im getting this message
[23:26] <yeik> clausen, are you really worried about elevation attacks?
[23:26] <lionofgod> http://pastebin.com/uz6tPNHd
[23:26] <lionofgod> and this is chromium
[23:26] <lionofgod> im looking at the technote thing
[23:26] <clausen> yeik, I would be forbidding running screen "as myself", and then su'ing from that
[23:27] <clausen> yeik, yes, I really am :)
[23:27] <yeik> clausen, then ubuntu isn't for you. you should build your own linux.
[23:27] <meganerd> clausen: yeik You can use sudo, you don't need to actually be root to attach to a screen session owned by root
[23:27] <clausen> yeik, that's a bit fast!
[23:27] <clausen> yeik, ubuntu is very configurable
[23:27] <yeik> meganerd, i was trying to explain to clausen that you can't block root/sudo access remotely
[23:27] <clausen> yeik, apt-get remove sudo; echo /dev/tty0 >> /etc/securetty ?
[23:28] <HelenB> Is anyone in #kubuntu who can help me with my sound?
[23:28] <meganerd> yeik: sure you can
[23:28] <meganerd> yeik: disable sudo and prevent ssh from accepting root
[23:28] <yeik> meganerd, please explain, then how if i have a shell session, it recognizes if i attach remotely or if i am physically at the keyboard.
[23:28] <HelenB> well the last time my sound was working was when I plugged my headphones into a different audio socket
[23:28] <HelenB> unplugging them from that socket
[23:29] <HelenB> messed up my sound
[23:29] <meganerd> yeik: you could go one further and have PAM prevent root as well.
[23:29] <HelenB> I tried the troubleshooting guide
[23:29] <HelenB> didn't work
[23:29] <Areckx> I would like to use an Japanese input method that is at least as good as Microsoft IME
[23:29] <HelenB> I also checked alsamixer
[23:29] <Diamondcite> lionofgod: Which version of ubuntu is this?
[23:29] <meganerd> yeik: Oh I see the difference
[23:29] <HelenB> everything is on full.
[23:29] <lionofgod> 11.10
[23:29] <meganerd> yeik: disabling remote access is what I was thinking
[23:29] <lionofgod> I jsut enabled flash plugin on about:plugins
[23:29] <HelenB> I'm using Kubuntu 11.10
[23:29] <lionofgod> I am going to restart chrome
[23:29] <clausen> yeik, if you have root, you can always make a poorman's telnetd
[23:29] <yeik> meganerd, you could remove root altogether, there are lots of things you can do. rename sudo to your own command.
[23:30] <clausen> yeik, (which is sort of what tmux/screen do)
[23:30] <meganerd> yeik: though you could look at the output of who and disconnect based on that
[23:30] <clausen> yeik, but if you don't use tmux/screen, then you don't open any such hole
[23:30] <yeik> meganerd, yeah.
[23:30] <meganerd> clausen: but screen is just so awesome
[23:30] <meganerd> gotta run, cheers
[23:30] <clausen> tmux is better!
[23:30] <clausen> anyway, gotta go too
[23:30] <yeik> clausen, im saying you are trying to lock things down too much, if you really want to limit access in such a way, then you already know far more than most people that are going to be here, and about as much as anybody that can help you here.
[23:30] <clausen> bye!
[23:31] <HelenB> clausen?
[23:31] <HelenB> screen doesn't open any holes. lol
[23:31]  * yeik boggles  his mind
[23:31]  * HelenB boggles yeik
[23:31] <yeik> is it always this insane in here?
[23:31] <meganerd> I really did join that late
[23:31] <yeik> meganerd, yeah
[23:31] <meganerd> sorry about feeding the troll
[23:31] <yeik> he first asked the difference and why sudo is better than su
[23:31] <acicula> no usually the #paranoia is restricted to ##security
[23:32] <phillijw> tmux
[23:32] <clausen> I'm sorry, I didn't mean to troll
[23:32] <yeik> so i explained that it timed out.
[23:32] <acicula> tmux > screen
[23:32] <lionofgod> Okay, I have enabled shockwave flash in plugins for chrome but flash player still does not work
[23:32] <clausen> I do appreciate you explaining things to me
[23:32] <clausen> anyway
[23:32] <clausen> bye!
[23:32] <yeik> bye
[23:32] <HelenB> I WANT SOUND!
[23:32] <yeik> meganerd, its ok.
[23:33] <lionofgod> can someone please tell me?
[23:33] <zenmaster> How come in my own users directory, I am having permission issues uploading files via ftp. I am using Vsftpd.
[23:33] <lionofgod> I enabled flash yet it is still not working
[23:33] <yeik> lionofgod, did you go to adobes about page?
[23:33] <lionofgod> Yes
[23:34] <zenmaster> Its like it can only upload one folder deep then after that its jacked.
[23:34] <lionofgod> it tells me that my flash is disabled adn tells me to visit about:plugins
[23:34] <acicula> zenmaster: could be just because the vsftp daemon is running as a different system user
[23:34] <yeik> lionofgod, and does it still tell you that?
[23:34] <lionofgod> I went there and enabled flash
[23:34] <lionofgod> yes it still tells me that
[23:34] <roasted> Question - I have Ubuntu running with DHCP with 2 NICs... but one NIC does not hand out addresses while the other does... any ideas?
[23:34] <yeik> lionofgod, did you close all chrome windows?
[23:34] <lionofgod> Yes
[23:34] <zenmaster> acicula: How do I change that?
[23:34] <lionofgod> should I restart>
[23:34] <lionofgod> ?
[23:34] <yeik> roasted, DHCP server?
[23:34] <yeik> lionofgod, its always a good idea
[23:34] <lionofgod> okay
[23:34] <roasted> yeik, yes.
[23:35] <roasted> yeik, Ubuntu desktop edition, with dhcp installed.
[23:35] <zenmaster> I see root and nobody.
[23:35] <acicula> zenmaster: idunno, not familiar with vsftp, but it sounds like you are having permission issues. Did you check if there is a wikipage on the ubuntu community wiki on how to get started setting it up?
[23:35] <lionofgod> I have the option to enable other plugins such as vlc should i enable them as well?
[23:35] <yeik> roasted,  well, everybody has dhcp, but dhcp server...
[23:35] <mossy_> hey
[23:35] <zenmaster> acicula: Someof those resources.
[23:35] <roasted> yeik, yes dhcp server
[23:35] <yeik> roasted, iirc you might have to configure the DHCP server with  the mac address to broadcast on.
[23:36] <roasted> yeik, do you know where, by chance?
[23:36] <roasted> yeik, best I know of is /etc/default/dhcp3-server where I have to put in eth0 and eth1 for dhcp service.
[23:36] <yeik> roasted, i use my ddwrt router for dhcp. i haven't tried setting it up in ubuntu
[23:36] <Areckx> so.,... hibernate in 10.04
[23:37] <wylde> !dhcp | roasted
[23:37] <Areckx> the option isn't even in the menu
[23:37] <roasted> wylde, :(
[23:37] <yeik> roasted, http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch08_:_Configuring_the_DHCP_Server
[23:37] <violinappren> roasted: if you're looking for a lightweight and easy configurable DHCP/DNS server try dnsmasq
[23:37] <roasted> violinappren, I'm not. I'm just trying to find out why one NIC works and the other does not.
[23:38] <Areckx> !pm-hibernate | Areckx
[23:38] <wylde> roasted: heh, I do run a minimal dhcp server but that's only because I also have an ltsp server on my network.
[23:38] <roasted> wylde, that's what I'm working on... an LTSP server.
[23:38] <Areckx> !hibernate | Areckx
[23:38] <roasted> wylde, two NICs, one NIC per lab (two labs)
[23:38] <roasted> wylde, one gets DHCP, other does not. Even if I plug my laptopdirectly into the NIC, no DHCP...
[23:38] <roasted> wylde, definitely not a switch problem...
[23:39] <violinappren> roasted: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/dhcp.html
[23:39] <wylde> roasted: I'm running with a single nic, the server is nothing more than a backup server for my home network, an ltsp server for my garage equipment and failover for the rest of my pc's.
[23:40] <yeik> wylde, can you post your config?
[23:40] <roasted> violinappren, unavailble.
[23:40] <yeik> wylde, im guessing you didn't put both ip addresses for both nics in your configuration
[23:40] <wylde> roasted: I suspect you will have to some specific configuration using 2 nic's.
[23:40] <roasted> nevermind
[23:40] <roasted> ot it
[23:40] <yeik> err, i meant roasted.
[23:41] <wylde> no worries.
[23:41] <roasted> yeik, I have 2 NICs, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>... then in the dhcp config, I have 2 scopes, one for 17.5-17.254 and 18.5-18.254
[23:41] <roasted> yeik, I see no reason why it wouldn't work.
[23:42] <roasted> yeik, the config is identical, except 17 vs 18
[23:42] <wylde> roasted: altho... moment I did find some lnks with 2 nic setup while seeting my ltsp server up.
[23:42] <violinappren> roasted: this page has a multiple interface example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[23:42] <yeik> roasted, use pastebin to post your config.
[23:42] <wylde> roasted: ^^ beat me to it! danged beer!
[23:44] <yeik> if he is configuring the same subnet, it might take one of the configs over the other, i think he needs both ip addresses in the domain-name-servers option
[23:45] <roasted> yeik, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/933293/
[23:47] <roasted> hm
[23:47] <roasted> I see a problem
[23:47] <roasted> I think
[23:47] <wylde> roasted you have "next-server" uncommented
[23:48] <wylde> roasted: in lab 605
[23:48] <roasted> wylde, right
[23:48] <roasted> I just commented it
[23:48] <roasted> and the line below
[23:48] <roasted> no difference
[23:48] <sepoki> is there any channel for PRINCE XML or something like that ?
[23:49] <wylde> roasted:  ahh ok, was hoping for a quick fix hehe.
[23:49] <roasted> same here wylde :(
[23:51] <roasted> wylde, actually that may have worked
[23:51] <roasted> I gotta jet. I had to restart the network interfaces (before I just did dhcp but that alone didnt fix it)
[23:51] <roasted> wylde, thanks!
[23:51] <wylde> roasted:  hmmm .. moment. Are you using something other than dhcp3... errr nvm I'm going to look at my configs, /etc/dhcp3.conf is over ridden by /etc/ltp/somethingorother..... iirc.
[23:51] <wylde> brb goota check my pizza!
[23:52] <wylde> roasted:  oh?!
[23:53] <yeik> roasted, if that doesn't work check, where it has host  blah3{} https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server
[23:56] <ProfessorBacon> damn unity locks up a whole lot
[23:57] <JonMarkGo> I'm running Ubuntu 11.10 64-bit server edition and when I run sudo apt-get update I get a bunch of "Failed to fetch bzip2...hash sum mismatch" errors
[23:57] <rhin0> how do I launch bash and get ssh and also issue a command (I forgot)
[23:57] <Boohbah> JonMarkGo: try a different mirror
[23:59] <MrUnagi> i love screen
[23:59]  * yeik loves screen too