[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #209693 in ubuntu "windows have a "red glow" with Compiz enabled (dup-of: 186382)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209693
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #190680 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "openoffice corrupted display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190680
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #209862 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Compiz stopped working after update" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209862
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #209906 in xkeyboard-config (main) "t61 keyboard under Hardy (Fn, Menu, ThinkVantage keys)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209906
[11:29] <ubotu> New bug: #209945 in xorg (main) "X does not start on a Novatech 8375X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209945
[11:29] <ubotu> New bug: #209949 in xorg (main) "SHMConfig not enabled even when enabled in xorg.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209949
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #209853 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "gnome-display-properties: ATI Radeon 1650, Rotate Left/Right shuts off Display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209853
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #209911 in wacom-tools (main) "[Hardy] Switching from one screen to another doesn't work any more" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209911
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #209840 in wacom-tools (main) "[Hardy] It's only possible to draw dots" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209840
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #209866 in xorg (main) "X server fails on dual-head nVidia 7600" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209866
[11:32] <ubotu> New bug: #209812 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Freezes after installation nVidia driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209812
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #210176 in xresprobe (main) "[hardy] xresprobe is missing" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210176
[13:03] <ubotu> New bug: #193333 in xorg-server "Kopete crashes X specially if compiz is running" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193333
[14:10] <ubotu> New bug: #181386 in xorg (main) "LiveCD monitor resolution too high" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181386
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #204081 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "atieventsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204081
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #210156 in ubuntu "Keyboard layout changes (dup-of: 206008)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210156
[17:20] <pochu> hi folks, X just crashes here (Intel X3100 on a desktop). this is the output of tail -30 /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, is there something I can do to debug this? http://pastebin.com/f318cd497
[17:23] <pochu> hmm, could be 190418. I had just opened totem, but it was totem-gstreamer (and not totem-xine) and it was to play an ogg video, and not a dvd
[17:23] <pochu> bug 190418
[17:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190418 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[965GM]  Server crash when starting totem-xine to play a DVD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190418
[17:47] <ubotu> New bug: #205079 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (main) "kubuntu Hardy Heron could not install libc6" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205079
[19:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192367 in python-support (main) "package python-sepolgen 1.0.11-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück (dup-of: 208961)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192367
[19:49] <ubotu> New bug: #192375 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with OSError in getsize() (dup-of: 208961)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192375
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #189270 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189270
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #193632 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193632
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #196142 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196142
[21:11] <ubotu> New bug: #196767 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196767
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #198396 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198396
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #203640 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203640
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #204125 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204125
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #206888 in python-support (main) "update-python-modules crashed with IOError in post_change_stuff() (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206888
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #209596 in brltty (main) "update-python-modules crashed during update (dup-of: 208961)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209596
[21:12] <ubotu> New bug: #210414 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[hardy] Extremely slow graphics at rotated 1400x1050" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210414
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #210434 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "compiz does not render shadows, regardless of settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210434
[21:46] <seb128> hey bryce
[21:46] <bryce> hey
[21:46] <seb128> bryce: anything pending on me for the gnome-display-properties update?
[21:47] <bryce> well, the revert dialog is nearly done but needs more testing before it's ready for upgrade
[21:47] <bryce> I haven't looked at the new xrandr gui patches from upstream yet
[21:47] <seb128> ok
[21:47] <seb128> let me now when the revert dialog is ready for testing, I'll give it a run
[21:48] <seb128> xrandr 1.2 rotation sucks on my ati card
[21:48] <bryce> yesterday I tested the dialog exhaustively on 10 different hardware systems
[21:48] <seb128> ah, how did it go?
[21:48] <bryce> I haven't posted the results yet, but found a bunch of bugs (no major show stoppers for the dialogs, but a lot of stuff needing fixed in the drivers
[21:49] <bryce> it looks like the only serious condition is trying to use rotation on -radeon, which causes lockups
[21:49] <seb128> ok, not too bad then
[21:50] <bryce> I wonder if we could even just disable xrandr rotation on -radeon, like with -nv
[21:50] <bryce> of course, then no one would get to make use of my dialog!
[21:51] <seb128> well, rotations is not what people are looking at usually
[21:52] <bryce> resolution changing pretty much works about 90%, with the 10% failures being modest issues, no crashes or lockups just weird looking screens
[21:52] <bryce> and generally re-applying a different resolution brought things back in those cases
[23:14] <tjaalton> bryce: hey, I'll probably merge xorg-server when it's uploaded in debian. there are a couple of upstream fixes from the stable branch, and would drop some of the patches we are carrying. also, we probably should check out the modesetting rework that ajax did a month ago
[23:18] <bryce> tjaalton: are you certain that's safe enough?  It's getting a bit late in the cycle....
[23:18] <tjaalton> bryce: the merge or the modesetting stuff?
[23:19] <bryce> modesetting
[23:20] <tjaalton> no idea, but there are cases where the server fails to get ddc data when it used to work with xresprobe et al
[23:20] <tjaalton> so that _might_ help there
[23:20] <bryce> hmm
[23:21] <jcristau> tjaalton: i don't think it will help with ddc
[23:21] <jcristau> aiui it just changes the logic to pick a mode after that
[23:22] <tjaalton> ah.. well even if we leave that out, there are some commits in master/1.5 from the intel guys
[23:22] <bryce> I guess I'm a bit burnt by how many times upstream moves to new tech, which causes regressions in older configs
[23:22] <tjaalton> that were also proposed for 1.4.1 but no-one took them
[23:23] <tjaalton> heh
[23:23] <bryce> if we had an extra month of testing I'd probably be less concerned
[23:25] <tjaalton> maybe I need to get a list of bugs where the modesetting fails, they are scattered through all the drivers currently
[23:25] <bryce> yeah
[23:38] <tjaalton> gah, late.. night


[06:36] <zmoylan-pi> splitters!
[06:38]  * knightwise shakes fist
[06:39] <mapito> hi all
[06:40] <knightwise> hey mapito
[06:41] <mapito> sup;]
[06:41] <knightwise> nothing much
[06:41] <knightwise> workin for da man
[06:41] <mapito> this early?:D
[06:42] <knightwise> yep
[06:42] <knightwise> been up since 5.40
[06:42] <mapito> damn
[06:42] <mapito> doing what exactly
[06:43] <zmoylan-pi> wondering where the sun went...
[06:43] <mapito> ;]
[06:44] <knightwise> I'm a freelance it consultnt
[06:44] <knightwise> My client is in the us , so i can have flexible hours
[06:45] <mapito> how was that emulartion thingy
[06:46] <knightwise> need a bigger sd card to get it working
[06:46] <knightwise> Got the games on there but it did not recognise the controller
[06:49] <mapito> this state of affairs show is quite cool
[06:54]  * knightwise dont have a tv :)
[06:54] <knightwise> well ,we dont have cable
[06:54] <mapito> heh
[06:55] <mapito> i dont have a tv here nor cabke
[06:55] <mapito> cable since i moved
[06:57] <knightwise> we have a tv in the living room
[06:57] <knightwise> with a pc hooked up to it
[06:57] <knightwise> and a chromecast
[06:57] <knightwise> does everything we need
[06:58] <zmoylan-pi> surely you can use jedi powers in place of controller knightwise? :-)
[06:59] <mapito> i have 2 50!" in uk
[06:59] <mapito> but nothing here
[06:59] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: I should be able to :p
[06:59] <mapito> i do miss having my desk nice comfy chair and 2 big tvs
[06:59] <mapito> cant fit a desk and big tv in my room here
[06:59] <knightwise> but I dont think a commodore 64 rom from 83 supports a kineckt
[07:00] <zmoylan-pi> as long as the kinnect can mimic a keyboard you'll be grand
[07:26] <sebsebseb> hi
[07:49] <knightwise>   hey sebsebseb
[07:49] <sebsebseb> knightwise: hi
[07:52] <knightwise> hey dude, hows it hangin
[07:53] <sebsebseb> knightwise: yeah ok,  just thinking a bit hmm to the Belgium news.  todays, since going there soon
[07:57] <knightwise> its not that bad..
[07:57] <knightwise> just a raid in some town
[07:57] <knightwise> news is making it sound like we have a terrorist cell ready to strike. little bit of a media huff
[07:57] <knightwise> sebsebseb: where in belgium are you going ?
[07:58] <sebsebseb> knightwise: Brussels for FOSDEM :)
[07:58] <knightwise> cool :-
[07:58] <knightwise> i'll be going too :)
[07:58] <sebsebseb> you know what FOSDEM is right?
[07:58] <knightwise> on saturday
[07:58] <knightwise> yep :)
[08:00] <knightwise> you flyin in from the Uk ?
[08:01] <sebsebseb> knightwise: you shouldbe there on the FRiday evening really
[08:01] <sebsebseb> for the beer event
[08:01] <sebsebseb> and yes flying
[08:01] <sebsebseb> you?
[08:02] <sebsebseb> knightwise: oh your in Belgium  according to your host name
[08:04] <knightwise> yep :)
[08:04] <knightwise> About an hour from brussels
[08:04] <sebsebseb> knightwise: right that's it,  your not alloweed here,  your not in UK :d
[08:04] <sebsebseb> it's called ubuntu-uk
[08:05] <sebsebseb> knightwise: oh wait I don't really use Ubuntu anymore, maybe I shound't be here either hten heh heh,  altough actsaully  I plan to buy a BQ Ubuntu Phone :d
[08:05] <sebsebseb> however I got this awesome Jolla phone already now so :d
[08:05] <MooDoo_> hello all
[08:05] <sebsebseb> oh and popey likes me maybe,  I Have meet him in person twice at leas
[08:05] <sebsebseb> t
[08:06] <sebsebseb> MooDoo: hi
[08:06] <knightwise> sebsebseb: coool :) hows that workin out for ya ?
[08:06] <knightwise> been curious about them
[08:06] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[08:06] <sebsebseb> knightwise: hows what working out for me?
[08:07] <knightwise> that jolla phone
[08:07]  * knightwise needs to reboot ... the first time i got up this morning I was all ugly .. perhaps if i reboot it will be gone
[08:08] <sebsebseb> knightwise: oh  Jolla phone is interesting :)
[08:08] <sebsebseb> LInux based OS
[08:08] <sebsebseb> GUI is apprnatly propritary though or for now, but yes rather interesteing OS
[08:08] <knightwise> cool :)
[08:08] <sebsebseb> runs it's own OS,  has it's own apps, but here's the thing,  it's compatible with Android apps
[08:08] <sebsebseb> so yes who needs Anroid now :d
[08:09] <sebsebseb> I don't
[08:09] <knightwise> its like a resurrection of the n900 ?
[08:09] <sebsebseb> to me Android seems  to be so popular since it's from peoples beloved Google
[08:09] <sebsebseb> and  since it's  pretty much open source,  loads of  different companies could use it so
[08:10] <knightwise> well ... its one of the THE mainstream brands/OS's out there. (android is)
[08:10] <sebsebseb> yes it's ok for what it is, but what Jolla runs is more interesting trust me :)
[08:10] <sebsebseb> in fact
[08:10] <sebsebseb> it runs Wayland
[08:10] <sebsebseb> and BTFS as well
[08:11] <sebsebseb> knightwise: proper  Linux geek phone :d  altough  they want to go main stremae really.  small company  by former NOkia people
[08:12] <sebsebseb> and yes get actsaul proper  OS upates to :),  altough I  ignored the geeks who tol me to just go an upradei it straight away, since I Wanted to mess around with the old shipped version first
[08:14] <mapito> isnt jolla from ex nokia people?
[08:14] <sebsebseb> mapito: yes as I just put
[08:15] <mapito> oh sorry didnt see
[08:15] <mapito> its late im tired:)
[08:15] <sebsebseb> mapito: late?  more like early
[08:15] <sebsebseb> altouh depends on where people are from
[08:15] <mapito> i work nights
[08:15] <sebsebseb> oh right I see
[08:16] <sebsebseb> knightwise: mapito need a differnet sim card  to use my Jolla phone as an actsual phone though
[08:16] <sebsebseb> ,but about to switch network anyway
[08:16] <sebsebseb> and then I'll have the one I need :)
[08:20] <knightwise> sebsebseb: like a different format ?
[08:20] <sebsebseb> knightwise: what you mean?
[08:21] <knightwise> why do you need a different card for the jolla ?
[08:22] <sebsebseb> since my old card isn't the right one
[08:22] <sebsebseb> there's like four  sim cards
[08:22] <sebsebseb> I need another type
[08:22] <sebsebseb> I need a microsim or whatever yeah
[08:46] <popey> sebsebseb: i thought jolla had open sourced everything in the UI now?
[08:46] <sebsebseb> popey: I don't know maybe
[08:47] <knightwise> morning popey
[08:47] <knightwise> will you be coming to fossdem ?
[08:48] <sebsebseb> maybe I should meet knightwise whoever that is whilst there :d
[08:48] <knightwise> well .. i'm one of the few english-podcasting belgian podcasters you can meet at fossdem :)
[08:49] <knightwise> www.knightwise.com sebsebseb :)
[08:49] <knightwise> articles + podcast
[08:49] <sebsebseb> oh
[08:50] <popey> knightwise: maybe
[08:51] <sebsebseb> popey: really your maybe coming?
[08:51] <popey> indeed, maybe
[08:51] <sebsebseb> Canonical willl pay for you to go?
[08:51] <sebsebseb> :d
[08:51] <popey> maybe :)
[08:52] <knightwise> Coolz I owe you a drink for all the times you've helped me out
[08:52] <knightwise> + for having one of the coolest brit radio voices i know
[08:52]  * knightwise envious of popeys bass-like brawl
[08:52] <sebsebseb> popey: ok  tell me if your coming closer to the time :D
[08:52] <popey> lulz
[08:52] <sebsebseb> knightwise: oh you haven't met popey before? I have
[08:52] <knightwise> I should come over to oggcamp some day
[08:53] <sebsebseb> popey is really an alien, whoops so much for that secret
[08:53] <sebsebseb> :D
[08:53] <sebsebseb> knightwise: yeah, but FOSDEM is way better than OGG Camp and oh I Know :d
[08:53] <sebsebseb> way bigger to
[08:54] <sebsebseb> differet styled events
[08:54] <sebsebseb> OGG Camp has the UK feel to it
[08:54] <sebsebseb> FOSDEM has that European internatioanl even feel
[08:55] <knightwise> Fosdem does not have Laura"s delightfull northern accent
[08:55] <sebsebseb> knightwise: altogh at FOSDEM get hose like
[08:55] <sebsebseb> uhmm
[08:55] <sebsebseb> well coloureful t-shirts
[08:55]  * knightwise cannot search anything in duckduckgo without giggling
[08:55] <sebsebseb> in like purple and green and such
[08:55] <sebsebseb> I wasn't so sure the first year I went so didn't buy one, regret that a bit now, but ah well
[08:56] <knightwise> sebsebseb: you're gonna be me guide ! :) its my first time at fosdem
[08:56] <sebsebseb> OGG Camp gets well black t-shirts and such
[08:56] <sebsebseb> can't go wrong with black really :)
[08:56] <knightwise> depends
[08:56] <knightwise> sizes are mostly too big for me
[08:56]  * knightwise is scrawny
[08:56] <sebsebseb> knightwise: you need to be there FRiday evening really
[08:56] <sebsebseb> knightwise: beer event yeah
[08:56] <sebsebseb> beer event is out of this world :d
[08:57] <knightwise> lol
[08:57] <sebsebseb> so full that if in UK, it would break some health and safety laws probably
[08:57] <sebsebseb> since it gets so full
[08:57] <sebsebseb> so packed way  to packed for that venue really
[08:58] <sebsebseb> so full that  the quotee out side ends up going back to the near by road full of people,  mixed in with the smokers
[08:58] <sebsebseb> packed full of people
[08:58] <knightwise> Gotta dash , be back laters
[08:58] <knightwise> business meeting in antwerp
[08:58] <sebsebseb> knightwise: and  the guy I was with there last year, was worried when the lights up stairs went out
[08:58] <sebsebseb> ok bye for now
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning
[09:15] <popey> sebsebseb: knightwise yes, I'm now booked to go to fosdem.
[09:15] <sebsebseb> popey: when you going then?
[09:16] <sebsebseb> and back?
[09:16] <popey> fri-mon
[09:16] <sebsebseb> and do you have to do a talk or something
[09:16] <sebsebseb> or they just let you go?
[09:17] <sebsebseb> Thursday to Monday for me
[09:17] <popey> I am not giving a talk.
[09:20] <sebsebseb> popey: how you getting there
[09:20] <sebsebseb> train?
[09:20] <sebsebseb> plane?
[09:20] <popey> choo choo
[09:20] <sebsebseb> train ok.
[09:21]  * sebsebseb is tring to get some plans sorted out already to some extent now :d
[09:21] <sebsebseb> so  Thursday should be hpefuly meeting some intersting people :)
[09:21] <sebsebseb> in the evening
[09:21] <sebsebseb> Friday maybe someone interesting to
[09:21] <sebsebseb> Monday  not sure what wil happen
[09:21] <sebsebseb> other than checking out etc, flying back in eveing
[09:22] <davmor2> and auto mobiles
[09:22] <popey> Those aren't pillows!
[09:22] <popey> etc
[09:24] <sebsebseb> popey: what are you going to do on Friday and Monday?
[09:24] <sebsebseb> and so on
[09:24] <sebsebseb> what are your plans in other words? :)
[09:24] <popey> well I wont get there till late on friday
[09:25] <popey> so will probably go directly to beer, do not pass go
[09:25] <sebsebseb> do not pass go what's that?
[09:25] <sebsebseb> and indeed beer event is on late
[09:25] <davmor2> do not collect £200 for passing go
[09:25] <sebsebseb> hmm I don't undersatnd it seems uh
[09:27] <sebsebseb> I should be meeting two geek girls on the Thursday evening that wil be interesting
[09:28] <davmor2> sebsebseb: just a word to the wise Geek Girl probably not a good thing to call them :)  Shockingly They prefer names or Ladies :)
[09:28] <popey> sebsebseb: where you staying?
[09:28] <popey> some do
[09:29] <popey> I have a friend who attends "Geek Girl Dinners" in London.
[09:29] <sebsebseb> davmor2: well yes names are used :)
[09:29] <sebsebseb> popey: a cheap  hotel, a bit outside the centre
[09:29] <popey> k
[09:29] <sebsebseb> popey: altough one that seems to give a half used toilet role hmm,  and a new one
[09:29] <popey> delightful
[09:30] <sebsebseb> might change hotel this year though if I have proper reason
[09:30] <sebsebseb> ,but otherwise there again
[09:30] <sebsebseb> since some from my project should be staying thre again
[09:30] <sebsebseb> can still cancel
[09:30] <sebsebseb> for now
[09:31] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah I complaind about that like lats yaer or the year before at reception, and it's like, oh I'll pas on the message
[09:31] <sebsebseb> did they? no probably not
[09:32] <sebsebseb> popey: I   guess some hotels don't really care much about the room etc
[09:33] <sebsebseb> where are you intending on staying?
[09:34]  * sebsebseb already paid a load on flights and insurances with that,  so  may as well have a cheap hotel agian then,  not going to be there that much anyway
[09:40] <popey> sebsebseb: scandic
[09:41] <sebsebseb> oh Scandic I think that's one I stayed in in  Denmark years ago
[09:41] <sebsebseb> when we we  went by car al the way to SWeden  from  Engalnd yeah
[09:42] <sebsebseb> popey: I think most people go for somethig more centrla yeah
[09:42] <sebsebseb> who com to FOSDEM
[09:42] <sebsebseb> maybe I should start doing the same, if the trams are oging to be a pain each time uh.   it changed last year, from the year before.  so that really was  something  trying to get to FOSDEM and back
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Hot and Spicy Foods Day! :-D
[09:47]  * zmoylan-pi celebrates the diversity of international hot and spicy foods day with coffee and toast :-)
[09:47]  * sebsebseb celebrates, uhmm nothing :d
[09:49] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:57]  * davmor2 throws JamesTait into the curry pot and cranks the heat up, there you go good sir hot and spicy
[09:58]  * JamesTait just thanks davmor2 for already having reported the bug with repeating alarms.
[09:59] <davmor2> it's fixed in latest
[10:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: and I thought it was jibel that reported it I just confirmed and added details :)
[10:02] <JamesTait> davmor2, possibly. Either way, you beat me to it!
[10:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: technically that is our job ;)
[10:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, and a valuable one it is, too.
[10:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: we like to think so :)
[10:32] <awilkins> re: Dualit toaster (from yesterday)
[10:33] <awilkins> +1 on them being the best toasters
[10:33] <awilkins> When I was a junior doc, those toasters were the major source of comfort and sustenance
[10:34] <awilkins> They are an absolute toast juggernaut. Regardless of how you felt, how many hours you'd pulled, they produce evenly done, consistently brown, perfect toast, day in, day out, for a small army of medical staff, with no complaints.
[10:35] <awilkins> The only downside was they got used so much that you had to clean the crumb tray out quite often
[10:35] <awilkins> Dualit Toasters : The toaster keeping the NHS alive.
[10:36] <ThomasRedstone> Morning all!
[10:37] <ThomasRedstone> Nice when you can start your day by watching Question Time... :-) that is one funny show!
[10:40] <awilkins> Sure you don't mean QI  ?   ;-)
[10:45] <brobostigon> or HIGNFY :)
[10:56] <popey> awilkins: I love the phrase "toast juggernaut"
[10:57] <popey> awilkins: didn't know you were/are a doctor.
[11:04] <awilkins> popey, A long time ago now... but I still do healthcare IT stuff, as I have for most of my working life
[11:05] <DJones> Who better than a doctor to deal with software bugs
[12:14] <davmor2> DJones: you mean to work with anitviruses right :)
[12:18] <DJones> That'd work I guess :)
[12:20] <Myrtti_> soldering irons are great
[12:20] <Myrtti_> https://www.flickr.com/gp/myrtti/HC02qs
[12:32] <Myrtti> oof. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> the rm -rf one?
[12:33] <Myrtti> yeah.
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> Given the attention, I'm sure they'll fix it soon
[12:41] <Myrtti> Tesco sells these lovely whole grain Kellogs raspberry poptarts imported from Italy. 100% recommend.
[12:42] <Myrtti> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=284196056
[12:55] <ThomasRedstone> awilkins, nope, question time, the arguments are very funny sometimes :-) and it's even funnier, because these are respected (to a degree) academics, (not so respected) members of parliament, and other people, not just a load of comedians :-P
[12:59] <popey> i had to switch of question time last night and go to bed
[12:59] <popey> I was just getting cross with them all
[13:01] <popey> http://blog.monumentvalleygame.com/blog/2015/1/15/monument-valley-in-numbers is fascinating
[13:01] <popey> aquarius: ^ you seen that?
[13:02] <aquarius> I have indeed
[13:06] <knightwise> afternoon peeps
[13:07]  * knightwise just went to a meeting with a man that looked like the director of Jurassic Park.
[13:08] <daftykins> the late Richard Attenborough?
[13:09] <knightwise> Correct
[13:09] <knightwise> When he was comparing his company to this big place with all these little sub companies .. i was DYING to say : "kinda like jurassic park"  ?
[13:10] <knightwise> with the big park and the little pens for the dinosaurs ? :)
[13:11] <daftykins> did you don a girls wig and proclaim "i know this, this is unix!"
[13:12] <ThomasRedstone> lol
[13:12] <knightwise> LOL :) I would look hot with a ponytail
[13:18] <knightwise> Ariana Richards ... She has aged quite well.
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's a unix system. She knows that.
[13:23] <ThomasRedstone> that Steam bug is dreadful :-| I have steam on my computer... I think I'll avoid launching it for now...
[13:24] <knightwise> ThomasRedstone: nownow .. lets not panic.
[13:24] <daftykins> or run it as another user :>
[13:24] <knightwise> whats the chance that code will get exexuted ?
[13:24] <ThomasRedstone> it's just me and root here...
[13:25] <knightwise> same for my system.
[13:25] <ThomasRedstone> and he's not a proper user, nah, if I felt safe uninstalling it, I would, but without reviewing their code, I don't think I do!
[13:25] <MooDoo> it's ok as long as you installed in a seperate folder and not /home or /
[13:25] <MooDoo> or i might have totally missread the post :D
[13:25] <knightwise> but whats the command rm -rf /
[13:25] <knightwise> or rm -rf
[13:25] <popey> yes
[13:26] <popey> rm -rf $FOO/
[13:26] <popey> with $FOO unset
[13:26] <knightwise> crickey
[13:26] <popey> indeed
[13:26] <knightwise> why put that in the the first place
[13:26] <daftykins> must've been the interns job
[13:26] <popey> because there's a button in steam to remove apps
[13:26]  * knightwise annoyed at police helicopters flying around
[13:26] <popey> it just isn't sanity checked properly
[13:26] <daftykins> knightwise: they're onto you
[13:26] <knightwise> daftykins: I would not be surprised :p
[13:27]  * knightwise burns his torrents
[13:27] <knightwise> nah , big court case in town today
[13:27] <daftykins> ooh?
[13:27] <knightwise> we have the district courthouse in this town
[13:27] <knightwise> always some sensational murder trial on..
[13:28] <daftykins> oh dear
[13:28] <knightwise> this week its a "hells angels shooting showdown" murder-mistery
[13:28] <knightwise> Leather clad nose pierced agatha fletcher buzzing about
[13:34] <daftykins> i imagined a biker agatha christie just then, which had me think of Miss Marple in a biker gang
[13:36] <knightwise> with her little white nail-studded purse blowing in the wind as she races along.
[13:36]  * knightwise 's mind is always full of this kind of strange imagerie
[13:36] <aquarius> popey, the most interesting point about that numbers thing was summarised excellently in a tweet I saw, which said "see, it is possible to make money from ios development! you just need to spend over 12 months and nearly a million dollars developing one of the best games of the year, and then you'll make money!"
[13:37] <popey> yeah!
[13:44] <aquarius> popey, you ever heard of http://www.prestigio.com/catalogue/MultiPhones/MultiPhone_3502_DUO ?
[13:44] <popey> no
[13:45] <aquarius> nor me
[13:45] <aquarius> or the company!
[13:48] <Myrtti> I caved in and bought a new battery for my old Galaxy Nexus which I keep my Finnish SIM card in
[13:48] <daftykins> huzzah
[13:49] <daftykins> i'm sure you know, but full charges whilst switched off give them the prod they need to function properly again
[13:49] <knightwise> is it possible to play the audio of a command line app over ssh ?
[13:49] <popey> aplay
[13:50] <Myrtti> daftykins: it wouldn't turn on or charge the old battery at all after running out of battery and being dropped behind the nightstand where I forgot it to for three weeks...
[13:50] <Myrtti> "oops"
[13:50] <aquarius> knightwise, do you mean: sat in front of machine A, ssh into machine B and play sound out of B's speakers, or do you mean to ssh from machine A to machine B and play sound out of A#s speakers?
[13:50] <popey> roflcopter
[13:50] <aquarius> knightwise, that is: do you want to send audio back along the connection, like you can with X forwarding?
[13:51] <aquarius> knightwise, if you do, then pulseaudio can do that; see http://askubuntu.com/questions/371687/how-to-carry-audio-over-ssh
[13:52] <daftykins> Myrtti: i mean after putting the new battery in :)
[13:52] <Myrtti> well, the old battery was bad enough anyway, so no harm done.
[13:53] <aquarius> Right, question for you all. My dad's thinking about getting a new computer. It will run Ubuntu 14.04. He doesn't need anything super-powerful; he wants a desktop machine. I've had quite a lot of luck in the past with him and "self-contained" machines -- the Aspire Revo, that sort of thing, for cost reasons; that sort of machine normally shakes out at under £200. He's already got monitor, keyboard, etc. He uses Fla
[13:53] <aquarius> sh stuff, so x86 rather than ARM, please. Any suggestions?
[13:53] <daftykins> what i'm getting at is a friend got a new battery for a samsung he has, but it was still acting like the battery was as dead as the old one - no matter how long he left it on charge. i said i'd take a look, ran it flat then charged whilst off (which he didn't do) and then it was back to lasting for days instead of 30 mins \o/
[13:53] <knightwise> aquarius: audio file + app is on machine A . i'm SSh'd in from machine B but would like to listen to the file
[13:54] <aquarius> knightwise, right, then try detecting pulseaudio across the ssh connection as per askubuntu article above
[13:54] <knightwise> ok
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: is an Intel NUC an option?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> the low-end ones are quite reasonably priced, and run Ubuntu well
[13:55] <knightwise> thanx aquarius
[13:55] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, dunno, is it? You tell me :) What's good and bad about them? All I know of them is people like Dustin using ten of them in a box to set up a juju thing
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: they're tiny, some are fanless (and even those with fans are quiet); they're all-Intel so everything is supported out of the box
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: and they're available from Celeron to i5
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> you can put in some RAM, an SSD (mSATA) and wifi card (mini-pci-e) and you're done
[13:57] <daftykins> you won't get a NUC for that money
[13:58] <willcooke> aquarius, cheap laptop?
[13:58] <aquarius> willcooke, nah, he doesn't want a laptop -- and he's happy with the monitor etc he's got
[13:58] <willcooke> whats wrong with the revo?  Did it give up?
[13:58] <aquarius> doen't need any portability -- they have a separate machine for the living room TV, and he's got the tablet
[13:58] <daftykins> one does not simply intel atom
[13:58] <daftykins> :>
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: tjere
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> blah
[13:59] <daftykins> who put that j there :O
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there's an atom nuc with 4GB built-in emmc (no ssd needed)
[13:59] <aquarius> willcooke, yeah... it's started to occasionally throw a seven, and it's aging a bit, so I suggested a new machine -- the one he has is about 4 years old as it is
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> it's slow, but it works.. and once everything is in RAM.
[13:59] <aquarius> ah, he needs more storage than that; photos and whatnot.
[14:00] <willcooke> aquarius, http://www.ebuyer.com/662872-acer-aspire-xc-115-desktop-pc-dt-svtek-003
[14:00] <aquarius> haha, yu google for "intel nuc ubuntu uk" and you get the Orange Box, which is not quite what I'm looking for ;)
[14:00] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: eww
[14:00] <aquarius> willcooke, yeah, that's the sort of thing I'm imagining, indeed
[14:01] <willcooke> aquarius, oh - no wifi, but fixable for a couple of quid
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> I have a spare mini-pci-e wifi card if necessary 8-)
[14:01] <aquarius> is ok wired; it's right next to the router
[14:01] <willcooke> perfect
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Ordered two for $5 on ebay
[14:01] <aquarius> although having wifi in it is handy for fallbacks :)
[14:01] <willcooke> because as we all know, wifi sucks.
[14:01] <willcooke> YES it does
[14:02] <popey> hmm
[14:02] <willcooke> shut up you
[14:02] <popey> i might follow this and get my mum a new pc
[14:02] <popey> :)
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> :)
[14:03] <willcooke> aquarius, might be worth considering a Dell if you want some kind of warranty: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-3847-desktop/pd?oc=cd84701&model_id=inspiron-3847-desktop
[14:03] <willcooke> (better than the standard return to base you'll get with ebuyer)
[14:03] <willcooke> ((but at that price, probably not worth it))
[14:03] <popey> aquarius: http://www.ebuyer.com/447255-intel-next-unit-of-computing-kit-dccp847dye-c847-1-1-ghz-barebone-boxdccp847dye
[14:03] <aquarius> bit too big, that one, ideally
[14:03] <aquarius> the revo is nice for size as well -- don't really want a tower if it can be avoided, even a little one
[14:04] <willcooke> I reckon that NUC is probably a good bet then
[14:04] <popey> i think you can get revo-like ones
[14:04] <willcooke> oh, except you've got to put ram in it
[14:04] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Computer/cat/Nettop
[14:04] <popey> yeah, they're barebones
[14:04] <aquarius> nuc is interesting, but I think it might be a bit expensive once I've added both ram and disk, no?
[14:04] <popey> the asus ones come with everything
[14:04] <popey> yes aquarius
[14:04] <popey> check out that nettop link
[14:05] <popey> some non-nuc nuc-like things with cpu/ram/storage included
[14:05] <popey> mac mini :)
[14:05] <willcooke> Mac mini, 638 quid. lulz
[14:05] <popey> I hear good things about the Gigabyte brix
[14:05] <willcooke> +1
[14:05] <popey> they're all a bit low spec, pentium d, celery
[14:06] <Myrtti> Dell's can be bought as factory refurbs with some discounts...
[14:06] <Myrtti> they're loverly
[14:06] <aquarius> the nettops are all over 200 quid, it seems, and that's not including ram etc...
[14:06] <aquarius> unless I'm missing one with ram and disk in
[14:08] <aquarius> these brix? http://www.ambros.co.uk/buildlist/285/gigabyte-brix-mini-fully-assembled-pc-systems.html
[14:08] <davmor2> aquarius: just buy a cheap desktop http://microdream.co.uk/complete-set-of-cheap-dell-windows-xp-desktop-pc-computer-80gb-dvd-refurbished.html?gclid=CPO_uNXXmMMCFcPKtAodrC8AHw#.VLka5t-cfCI
[14:08] <Myrtti> this reminds me that should probably update my sisters desktop at sometime
[14:08] <aquarius> davmor2, too big in size..
[14:08] <popey> yes
[14:09] <aquarius> wow, they're really small!
[14:09] <aquarius> nice
[14:09] <davmor2> aquarius: that takes you back to the nuc then, our job is done ;)
[14:09] <Laney> found a bag of posh christmas chocolates I forgot to give \o/
[14:09]  * Laney scoffs
[14:10] <aquarius> http://www.ambros.co.uk/builds/1865/gigabyte-gb-bxbt-2807-celeron-fanless-pc-system.html is interesting, and under £200. 2GB RAM is a bit miserly, mind; I'd wanna jack that up
[14:10] <popey> you can of course take the hard disk out of the revo and put it in that
[14:10] <aquarius> do we think an SSD is de rigeur in this day and age?
[14:10] <daftykins> yes
[14:10] <popey> i would. spinning rust is for the past
[14:10] <daftykins> you can't go back once you've used one
[14:11] <daftykins> that said, OS on SSD, storage on mechanical
[14:11] <aquarius> they're bleedin' expensive for lots of storage, though.
[14:11] <popey> define $lots
[14:11] <daftykins> not as bad as they once were
[14:11] <daftykins> i picked up 512GB for £130 a bit ago
[14:11] <popey> 240GB SSD is big enough for anyone

[14:11] <aquarius> ooh, actually, fifty quid for 240GB, that's not bad.
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> wow.. prices are that low these days?
[14:12] <aquarius> so, a nuc or a gigabyte brix. Those seem good choices.
[14:13] <aquarius> Is there anyone we trust selling these things with Ubuntu on? I like supporting such vendors when I can
[14:13] <awilkins> They're getting better
[14:13] <popey> dont think so
[14:13] <popey> most people dont pre-install on Nuc
[14:13] <awilkins> I have an mSATA one on bcache though
[14:13] <popey> goes against the whole point really
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> msata <3
[14:14] <popey> \o/ msata
[14:14] <awilkins> 32GB SSD and 750GB of spinny rust
[14:14] <awilkins> Seamless
[14:14] <daftykins> mSATA is ghetto, it's all about M.2 now \o/
[14:14] <awilkins> Don't have to worry about partitioning etc
[14:14] <awilkins> It works out where all the bits should go to make stuff fast
[14:19] <knightwise> peeps :)
[14:20] <daftykins> i didn't even see you leave!
[14:21] <knightwise> quick reboot
[14:21] <knightwise> somebody have a minute to test my mumble server ?
[14:21] <popey> sure
[14:22] <knightwise> popey: see pm
[14:24] <popey> yay, it works
[14:24] <popey> although you clearly can't hear me
[14:26] <knightwise> yep , but i'm not getting any audio in this linux instance
[14:27] <knightwise> also took a look at the network load of the pie with nmon while you dropped in
[14:27] <knightwise> seems to deal with it pretty good
[14:29] <popey>  2061 root      20   0<PHONE_NUMBER>72 150604 S  81.9  1.4   1381:55 Xorg
[14:29] <popey> hmmm
[14:30] <knightwise> ??
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> leaky again?
[14:30] <ali1234> lol
[14:31] <ali1234> 19222 al        20   0 19.146g 9.908g   5512 S  10.3 63.2 299:00.22 mousepad
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> mousepad?
[14:31] <ali1234> xubuntu default text editor
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> why so huge
[14:31] <ali1234> it's like gedit before they ruined it
[14:31] <ali1234> dunno
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> is it gvim yet? :P
[14:32] <ali1234> what is gvim?
[14:32] <knightwise> vim in speedo's
[14:32] <popey> well, i also have firefox eating 90%
[14:32] <ali1234> vim is stupid
[14:32] <popey> heresy!
[14:32] <knightwise> vim isnt an editor .. its a puzzle
[14:32] <popey> burn the heretic!
[14:33] <ali1234> at this point people who use vim are like hipsters who still listen to cassette tapes
[14:33] <ali1234> just stop, nobody is impressed
[14:33] <knightwise> watch out , here is the editor police ... (turns out the sirens : nano nano nano nano )
[14:33] <popey> :)
[14:33]  * popey uses nano mostly
[14:34] <diddledan> I like vim but don't really understand it
[14:34]  * knightwise is so into nano he uses CTRL-X to close the door in the house
[14:34] <knightwise> *badabing$
[14:34] <diddledan> nano annoys me when I get used to using ctrl+w for find
[14:34] <diddledan> i.e. when I'm NOT using nano
[14:34] <diddledan> ctrl+w - hmm where'd my window go?
[14:35] <knightwise> Sliders-problems :)
[14:35] <davmor2> aquarius: http://www.dabs.com/category/computing,desktops-and-monitors,desktop-pcs/11101-459690000
[14:35] <knightwise> like me trying to copy and paste with ALT because I have the super key on the mac
[14:36] <diddledan> I'd like to bind copy and paste to cmd+c too
[14:36] <daftykins> diddledan: morning sir
[14:36] <diddledan> allo
[14:39] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYYCCsSjkw
[14:44] <daftykins> diddledan: :D my mate is always suggesting i check out this Brooker stuff
[14:44] <daftykins> lucky blighter married to Konnie Huq
[14:44] <diddledan> oh wow, that's a name I've not heard in ages
[14:45] <diddledan> http://astronomynow.com/2015/01/16/uk-mars-lander-beagle-2-found/
[14:50] <daftykins> ooh
[14:53] <shauno> with that name, I still picture someone in knee-high wellies and a flat-cap wandering around mars whistling and calling "heeeeeeear boy"
[14:55] <daftykins> :D
[14:55] <daftykins> we had a beagle
[14:55] <daftykins> he was nicknamed Houdini as he loved to sneak off the property and go and get attention from states house kids up the road
[14:56] <diddledan> and then we have: http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/16/7555633/falcon-9-barge-landing-images-released
[14:56] <shauno> we had a basset.    I've done that in KSP!
[14:59] <shauno> (where we term that particular manoeuvre 'lithobraking' ;)
[14:59] <diddledan> shauno, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA#t=19
[14:59] <daftykins> judging by the pics, any kind of braking at all would've been ace
[15:00] <shauno> where aerobraking is slowing by hitting the atmosphere, lithobraking is slowing by hitting the floor :)
[15:01] <diddledan> lol
[15:02] <daftykins> XD
[15:02] <daftykins> Jeb would not be pleased
[15:41] <diddledan> more space news: http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/creating-the-worlds-largest-ever-satellite-constellation-0
[15:48] <shauno> I think 'project west ford' takes the title of the largest constellation ;)
[15:59] <shauno> (1960's americans were crazy.  the UK's first satellite was destroyed by a US high-altitude nuke test)
[16:00] <diddledan> and we stayed being friends after that?!
[16:01] <shauno> no kidding
[16:01] <daftykins> you'd think they'd have perhaps phoned up and asked what it was first
[16:02] <shauno> if wikipedia's anywhere near accurate, they took out 1/3rd of low-earth-orbit
[16:02] <diddledan> impressive
[16:05] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime#Aftereffects  makes it sound like they had little idea what it'd actually do
[16:06] <shauno> (sorry, bored :)
[16:06] <daftykins> from what i recall hearing once, scientists thought a nuke in the atmosphere might ignite the atmosphere and destroy the world :>
[16:07] <shauno> well, there's only one way to find out!
[16:08] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <diddledan> thanks to the americans we know it doesn't
[16:09] <daftykins> i'm getting tempted by nipping down to a Costa branch for a panini and coffee...
[16:09] <diddledan> I'm glad we took the risk to find out
[16:09] <daftykins> given it's about 30m from my front door
[16:09] <shauno> and to think, they were worried that we were going to accidentally create a black hole under switzerland
[16:10] <diddledan> worth the risk
[16:10] <diddledan> who cares if the planet disappears?!
[16:12] <daftykins> maybe we were never here to begin with! :D
[16:12] <diddledan> oooh
[16:12] <diddledan> are you in my dream, or am I in yours, or are we in someone else's?
[16:13] <daftykins> haha
[16:25] <ThomasRedstone> No more Vim heresy! it broke my internet tubes! :-(
[16:25] <shauno> one typically doesn't vim their tubes?
[16:28] <ThomasRedstone> no, but Vim is essential to the very fabric of the universe...
[16:28] <shauno> so are tubes.  this is why they should never meet.
[16:28] <ThomasRedstone> Oh wait, that's emacs: http://xkcd.com/378/
[16:29] <shauno> emacs doesn't actually exist, it's just an elaborate prank
[16:30] <diddledan> lol
[16:32] <popey> \o/ Pre-ordered GTA5
[16:32] <popey> Squeeee
[16:34] <awilkins> GTAV .. for Linux?
[16:35] <popey> for "PC"
[16:37] <daftykins> hehe
[16:37] <daftykins> i remember first getting it and teasing mr.popey
[16:37] <daftykins> all that time ago
[16:38] <daftykins> quite a shame i didn't wait for the newer consoles really
[16:49] <bigcalm> Is is home time yet?
[16:49] <bigcalm> Actually at the office means I get to go home a some point, doesn't it?
[16:49] <bigcalm> !ping
[16:49] <bigcalm> The office connection is somewhat pants
[16:52] <davmor2> bigcalm: haha
[16:53] <daftykins> i had this IT support job at one point where the boss said "don't download on our leased line, download large files on the ADSL service in the break room instead"
[16:53] <daftykins> and this lovely nugget "instead of using RDP, go into the server room more"
[16:54] <daftykins> all a bunch of rubbish to make it look like we did more, is all i can think
[16:57] <jpds_> daftykins: "Instead of using SSH, go to the server room and use a TTY".
[16:58] <daftykins> ;) no it was a Windows admin job :P
[16:59] <bigcalm> http://www.speedtest.net/result/4064501002.png
[16:59] <daftykins> oh wow
[16:59] <daftykins> "eclipse internet - because our service got eclipsed years ago"
[17:00] <diddledan> wow that's slow
[17:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: HAHA!!
[17:00] <bigcalm> Friday afternoon
[17:00] <bigcalm> That's ADSL
[17:01] <bigcalm> We're waiting for our FTTC connection to be installed
[17:02] <popey> could do with some help here, if I have missed any? https://pad.riseup.net/p/LinuxPublications
[17:06] <NET||abuse> hey guys. having a pain here, have local rendering of awstats output, years worth of montly ftp stats, trying to wget -r -p http://localhost:8080   and it just doesn't bother downloading any images.
[17:11] <diddledan> NET||abuse, are the images included as <img> tags in any html pages?
[17:11] <NET||abuse> yes
[17:12] <NET||abuse> for eg...  <img align="bottom" src="http://localhost:8080/icon/other/vk.png" width=6  etc...>
[17:12] <NET||abuse> the idea is i'm trying to tar this up to email to a non-technical guy for his use.
[17:13] <diddledan> so as it's local, why not just tar up the dir?
[17:14] <NET||abuse> because all the links int he html are /icons/other/vk.png   blah blah    , so 1. would go looking on the root of my fs and    2. wont work on windows
[17:15] <diddledan> you'll need to run it on a webserver anyway if you're rewriting the urls to http://localhost:8080
[17:16] <NET||abuse> wget --k/--convert-links   states it should deal with converting the links.
[17:17] <diddledan> you didn't say you were using that option :-p
[17:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: My Speed :: 91.7 Mbps  My Speed :: 5.7 Mbps
[17:17] <NET||abuse> ahh, i added it since i was saying earlier, hasn't worked.
[17:17] <awilkins> 18Mbit/s
[17:17] <awilkins> 10% slower! Wooo!
[17:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed, leaving the home isn't worth it
[17:22] <NET||abuse> really confused as to why wget just isn't getting these images
[17:34] <intrbiz> bigcalm: when does the FTTC line get put in?
[17:35] <davmor2> intrbiz: a skip by the sound of it :)
[17:35] <intrbiz> davmor2: ?
[17:35] <davmor2> intrbiz: I read it as what not when sorry :)
[17:37] <intrbiz> I'm still waiting for BT to get off their arse and FTTC enable our exchange, was meant to be complete by now, no evidence they've started
[17:39] <intrbiz> ah, the date seem to have been pushed back till march, sigh
[17:44] <NET||abuse> i've tried every switch i can find in the man pages, wget just wont download the images
[17:47] <bigcalm> intrbiz: no idea when it's happening. Somebody needs to get in touch with the ISP
[17:50] <intrbiz> bigcalm: when was the ADSL put in?
[17:50] <intrbiz> bigcalm: it'll train for the first few days so can fluctuate
[17:51] <intrbiz> bigcalm: might also be worth looking at the internal wiring if the sync rate is really that bad
[17:53] <diddledan> this page is evil to grok: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ApplicationId
[17:53] <diddledan> I can't make heads nor tails of it
[17:53] <aquarius_> diddledan, it is
[17:54] <diddledan> what's with that table in the middle?!
[17:54] <diddledan> why can't you just specify one thing for the different parts to match against instead of many?
[17:55] <diddledan> who cares where each comes from - it's the final result you worry about
[17:55] <aquarius_> diddledan, that page pretends that it's appdev documentation, but it isn't; it's reference docs for the people making the OS themselves.
[17:55] <diddledan> oh
[17:55] <aquarius_> You don't have to think about an appid ever, unless you're doing push notifications.
[17:55] <diddledan> well that's silly
[17:56] <diddledan> it really doesn't explain what jamie was meaning in the mailing list tho
[17:57] <diddledan> if anything it confuses the division between package and application name more
[17:57] <aquarius_> oh? I don't read the list; what was jamie saying?
[17:58] <diddledan> this is the beginning of the thread: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10900.html
[17:58] <aquarius_> wtf?
[17:58] <aquarius_> it's all changing?
[17:59] <diddledan> it seems the specific email that linked to that page hasn't been archived yet
[18:00] <aquarius_> hm.
[18:00] <aquarius_> Still, I've got sil in Launchpad, so I'll have it in the store.
[18:00] <aquarius_> But I think this is a crap idea. :)
[18:00] <diddledan> it was basically in response to https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10907.html saying that jamie doesn't understand the difference between the two, and explains that he thinks of them as per the applicationid page
[18:00] <popey> I don't quite understand why we have to do this either.
[18:01] <diddledan> popey, it makes no sense to change IMO
[18:01] <popey> well, there's some sense
[18:01] <diddledan> popey, there's absolutely nothing wrong with backwards-domain style naming
[18:01] <popey> say that in #snappy :)
[18:02] <diddledan> would I get my head bitten?
[18:02] <popey> mebbe
[18:02]  * popey goes to make food
[18:02] <popey> ttfn
[18:02] <diddledan> me too. or rather, chocolate
[18:02] <diddledan> and instead of "make" more like "buy"
[18:03]  * diddledan enjoys having a news agent within 30seconds' walk
[18:03] <aquarius_> so snappy packages are the same?
[18:03] <aquarius_> I can go and register "elasticsearch" as my snappy name and get in before the elasticsearch people?
[18:03] <diddledan> aquarius_, yeah it seems that way
[18:04] <aquarius_> oh well. Mine is not to reason why, etc.
[18:04] <diddledan> I don't get the proposed solution being any better - instead of com.domain.package they want package.developer
[18:05] <aquarius_> indeed.
[18:05] <diddledan> there's no real difference I can discern between the two other than ordering
[18:05] <aquarius_> So now my stuff will be readability.sil instead of org.kryogenix.readability.
[18:05] <awilkins> package.developer would be annoying
[18:05] <awilkins> developer.package makes more sense
[18:05] <diddledan> yeah
[18:05] <aquarius_> It's fractionally more useful, because to find the "readability" package I type "readability" and hit tab
[18:06] <aquarius_> rather than finding the "readability" package by typing "org.kryogenix.reada" and hitting tab.
[18:07] <aquarius_> that is: one no longer has to know the name of the developer to find a package by name -- imagine if, say, to install inkscape you had to do "apt-get install ted-gould-inkscape". That'd be way annoying.
[18:07] <diddledan> well you wouldn't tabcomplete for discovering a package, though, you'd use a search function in the installer CLI
[18:07] <diddledan> e.g. click search package
[18:08] <diddledan> that could show you all the names and you then choose one and tabcomplete that
[18:09] <aquarius_> diddledan, if you're not typing package names in then it doesn't matter to you *what* a package name looks like. It could be 5e039421-51ea-417e-8a3c-82f00994fc68-riddling for all you care.
[18:09] <aquarius_> but for people who *are* typing in package names, that's really annoying.
[18:10] <aquarius_> just wasted a uuid there. :)
[18:10] <diddledan> omg, wasting uuids is a heinous offence
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> well if it's an ms api generating the uuid it might reuse the uuid for you.  they can be fun like that :-)
[18:18] <awilkins> With MS it's a GUID though
[18:19] <awilkins> Hmm, the uuid command exposes your MAC by default
[18:20] <aquarius_> depends which uuid you pick.
[18:20] <aquarius_> the above one is a uuid4 :)
[18:23] <aquarius_> cat  /proc/sys/kernel/random/uuid # :-)
[18:27] <diddledan> so what's the diff between uuids generated by the kernel and those generated by uuidgen?
[18:30] <awilkins> Not sure there is a functional difference
[18:30] <awilkins> They are a v4 uuid
[18:32] <awilkins> Seen v3 ones used a lot in systems that wants reproducible content-addressible identifiers
[18:33] <intrbiz> v4 uuids should be random, v1 mac + time based
[19:27] <diddledan> time to settle down for an evening watching stream of a hacker conference
[19:27] <diddledan> (shmoocon)
[19:33] <daftykins> diddledan: o rly
[19:35] <diddledan> lol @ opening image: https://mrkr.io/453o9m8pCv
[19:35] <diddledan> yes that is ZORK 1 in the bottom
[19:36] <DJones> So thats why shmoo & soapturtles minecraft server lags occasionally
[19:47] <DJones> ooh, Brian Blessed alert on Film4 - Flash Gordon
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> great great movie.  awesome over acting and queen soundtrack...
[19:49] <diddledan> :-o
[19:49] <diddledan> that is one of the best films ever
[20:01] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0cpypcqp18cwgg/mmkv.png?dl=0
[20:01] <daftykins> *whistle*
[21:07] <ali1234> what is that android usb file transfer protocol called?
[21:07] <ali1234> the one that isn't USB storage
[21:07] <ali1234> it's like MFP or something
[21:07] <aquarius_> mtp
[21:07] <ali1234> thanks
[21:10] <daftykins> i once heard it comes from microsoft's plays for sure tech
[21:10] <aquarius_> no. mtp got invented because of the problems around having separate SD cards.
[21:11] <ali1234> yeah USB storage is a block device
[21:11] <ali1234> so you can't access the same filesystem over USB storage and also locally on the phone
[21:11] <ali1234> cos the twwo sides would get out of sync
[21:11] <aquarius_> *nod* which causes massive problems, so you need the phone and the external thing to access at the same time, hence mtp.
[21:12] <ali1234> MTP operates at higher level using filenames, so it's more like http or something
[21:12] <daftykins> thing is it only seems relevant to phones with only the one volume of storage
[21:12] <ali1234> well yeah
[21:12] <ali1234> it's not for USB hard drives
[21:12] <daftykins> shame it's become the norm for even devices with microSD access, since it seems so slow and pants
[21:12] <ali1234> it's for phones, cameras, and mp3 players
[21:12] <aquarius_> true, but phones with two volumes became increasingly problematic
[21:13] <aquarius_> which is why manufacturers have largely stopped doing them.
[21:14] <daftykins> *nod*
[21:15] <ali1234> nah, that's a red herring
[21:15] <daftykins> seems there's lots of issues with up to date ubuntu systems mounting every smartphone you throw at them?
[21:15] <ali1234> all phones have several partitions
[21:15] <aquarius_> they're not removeable, though.
[21:15] <ali1234> yeah, being removable is irrelevant
[21:16] <ali1234> it's simply confusing for the user that they can't access their files on the phone and on computer at the same time
[21:16] <aquarius_> putting apps on removeable partitions means the OS has to work a lot harder to deal with apps because it might have a bunch of symlinks pointing at stuff that isn't there, and ou can't cache anything.
[21:16] <ali1234> there are still plenty of phones with SD card storage
[21:18] <aquarius_> there are, yep. But they've either also got quite a lot of *internal* storage too (in which case the extra SD stuff is largely, although not completely, not needed), or they have not much internal storage in which case you can have the stupid spectacle of your phone refusing to install apps because it has no space, despite containing an empty 16 gigabytes of micro SD, which is what all the early Android phones ha
[21:18] <aquarius_> d and everybody hated it
[21:21] <daftykins> any thoughts on a bluray drive reading a disc at 2x when the drive allegedly does 4x guys? it's not changing from dat at the start vs. the end, so i don't think it's simply a position issue. just read about "hdparm -E 4 /dev/sr0" or "eject -x 4" but i don't think that's working
[21:21] <popey> bluray passed me by
[21:22] <daftykins> :) i got that Sopranos set for Christmas, so have been playing with playback and ripping on Linux
[21:22] <ali1234> dat?
[21:22] <aquarius_> me too
[21:22] <diddledan> bluray is a bad name for someone who hasn't heard it said out loud before
[21:22] <diddledan> "what do you mean it's blurray?"
[21:22] <aquarius_> er, me too on passing bluray by, not on getting a Sopranos set :)
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> hey, i have trouble spelling dvd :-)
[21:22] <daftykins> lol.
[21:22] <daftykins> ali1234: dat?
[21:22] <ali1234> dat? dat dat?
[21:23] <daftykins> oh yeah
[21:23] <daftykins> *re-reads*
[21:23] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape
[21:23] <daftykins> i wonder what dafty was on about just then
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> dat was beginning of the end for sony
[21:23] <diddledan> daftykins, it's encrypted
[21:23] <ali1234> how do you know what speed it is reading at?
[21:23] <daftykins> no idea how i typed that, i meant it didn't change from 2x at all across the entire span of the disc
[21:24] <daftykins> no, makemkv replaced libaacs and libbd and so it's decrypting *whistle*
[21:24] <diddledan> daftykins, probably find that makemkv is reporting the raw data rate of the video copied after decryption rather than raw data rate of the transfer off disc
[21:24] <daftykins> as per - https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0cpypcqp18cwgg/mmkv.png?dl=0
[21:24] <daftykins> ah you may well be onto something there, yes
[21:25] <ali1234> what am i looking at?
[21:25] <daftykins> just saying that i'm ripping and not got an issue with encryption
[21:25] <ali1234> yeah ut where are you reading the speed?
[21:26] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kx1umwhlxs7p0ey/mmkv2.JPG?dl=0
[21:26] <diddledan> I don't get this concept that makemkv is "in beta" when it's been that way for years
[21:26] <daftykins> :D
[21:26] <diddledan> it's clearly working for most things so why the beta status?
[21:26] <daftykins> but it's good, keeps it free ;)
[21:26] <diddledan> true
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> see gmail :-)
[21:26] <diddledan> every 30 days, just download the new version
[21:27] <daftykins> well at any moment there is the issue that a company could release titles with new keys that'd render the program useless until it's updated
[21:27] <ali1234> it would still be able to rip all old discs
[21:27] <diddledan> to be fair it's a pretty impressive piece of engineering to be able to strip aacs to begin with but even bd+ is rippable
[21:28] <ali1234> have you tried eject -x 0?
[21:28] <daftykins> i have not
[21:28] <daftykins> do you think those two commands are meant to work mid process, or should i stop and then retry?
[21:28] <ali1234> they should work mid process because they are at the drive level
[21:29] <daftykins> no change from eject -x 0
[21:29] <ali1234> it's probably showing the video rate then as diddledan said
[21:30] <ali1234> or the drive straight up isn't 4x
[21:31] <ali1234> also possible that the disc is marked as 2x only
[21:31] <ali1234> although i would expect that only on writable media, i guess it's possible they can set it in pressed media too
[21:32] <ali1234> you generally don't want the player spinning up to max speed when watching a film cos they get really loud
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah, i didn't expect anything on the system to act like a player though, if you get me
[21:33] <daftykins> http://www.sony-optiarc.us/endoflifeproducts/bluraydrives/slim/bluraycombo/bc5500as.html
[21:33] <daftykins> certainly claims 4x for dual layer data, but ho-hum :) it is pretty ancient
[21:33] <daftykins> thanks for your input anyways :) much appreciated
[21:33] <ali1234> sure. but certainly for writable blu-ray media, the drive can read what speed the disc is rated for
[21:36] <daftykins> there's a chap playing with x265 in another channel, be neat to transcode to half the bitrate of x264 :)
[21:36] <daftykins> not that anything i own would play it :D
[21:36] <daftykins> *presently own
[21:37] <ali1234> i would like to see some graphics card deliver the kind of motion compesation you get in high end TVs these days
[21:38] <ali1234> and HFR without the stupid 3D stuff
[21:52] <diddledan> 265?!
[21:52] <diddledan> there's the so-called advanced video codec iirc?
[21:53] <diddledan> sorta 264 on steroids but still 264 I think I recall?
[21:53] <diddledan> or rahter still mpeg4
[21:53] <daftykins> nah, it's HUVC and became H.265
[21:53] <diddledan> aah
[21:53] <diddledan> that makes sense
[21:54] <diddledan> does anyone use divx anymore?
[21:54] <diddledan> that used to be the go-to for download video (not necessarily legal video)
[21:55] <daftykins> lol, XviD had replaced it for ages before that ship sailed
[21:55] <diddledan> they're still making new versions
[21:55] <diddledan> xvid is the old opensource divx codec but divx have superseded it
[21:56] <daftykins> :S
[21:56] <daftykins> seems a bit pointless now, even standard def content comes in H.264 or variants thereof
[21:58] <daftykins> oy vey, i've now lost complete track of where i am in watching this series
[21:58] <daftykins> it seems like the actual blurays are wrong O_O
[21:59] <diddledan> sometimes the boxsets of series follow the non-chronological schedule of american air-date - i.e. the series is aired in america in the wrong order and they use that as the sequence for the disc
[22:00] <daftykins> indeed, however in this case the episodes ripped from disc 3 don't even match the labels in the packet
[22:01] <diddledan> o_O
[22:02] <daftykins> anywho i must get food started whilst i investigate this
[22:14] <daftykins> crisis averted, 4 episodes on the disc - they're on in reverse order so i watched the first which was meant to be the fourth =|
[22:14] <daftykins> a sneaky trap to trick the rippers!
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> i usually look for the episode titles after ripping episodes of tv series and then number them from wikipedia list
[22:16] <daftykins> what's weird about this show is i don't think it even says the title in the intro, so you have to go by the first scene to tell
[22:35] <daftykins> funny part is it's nicer to watch the blurays on my xbox one as it's quieter than the HTPC's fans running to play the rips off the server XD
[22:35] <daftykins> i'd upgrade to a nice modern NUC if i still had disposable income
[22:35] <daftykins> but now's a bad time since HUVC decode hardware support would be desirable
[23:30] <mapito> wel
[23:31] <mapito> this eries te myseries of laura is quite good
[23:31] <mapito> hm chained (2012) sonds promising for a horror..decent enough rating


[03:56] <bcurtiswx> Oct  3 15:03:52 weather kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.27-4-generic
[03:56] <bcurtiswx> Oct  3 15:03:52 weather kernel: Cannot find map file.
[03:57] <bcurtiswx> anyone understand that problem?
[03:59] <johanbr> bcurtiswx: Seems pretty clear to me. That file does not exist.
[04:00] <bcurtiswx> johanbr: what i want to know, is if that file not being there is a big problem
[04:01] <bcurtiswx> i have just been upgrading intrepid through update-manager, i don't know why its not there....
[04:07] <johanbr> bcurtiswx: It's part of the kernel packages. If it's not there, something went wrong with your upgrade.
[04:07] <johanbr> Or it was deleted afterwards.
[10:42] <elmargol> Sorry if I am wrong here: If I use the closed source nvidia driver. My X server crashes horrible
[10:43] <elmargol> Same bug on 177 and 173 (kubuntu intrepid 32bit)
[11:58] <tseliot> elmargol: please file a bug report about this
[18:47] <Libellensommer> kuckuk
[19:38] <CarlFK> qemu-system-x86_64 -smp 2 -kernel vmlinuz-2.6.27-4-generic - append foo  -serial stdio;  what is the foo that will send the kernel boot to serial?
[19:39] <IntuitiveNipple> -monitor XXX
[19:40] <IntuitiveNipple> e.g. kvm -name Ubuntu-Intrepid-Desktop -boot d -serial stdio -m 768 -monitor stdio -std-vga -hda ubuntu-intrepid-desktop.qcow2 -cdrom /dev/loop0 -k en-gb -net nic,model=rtl8139,macaddr=56:44:45:30:31:32,vlan=0 -net vde,sock=/var/run/kvm0.ctl,vlan=0
[19:41] <CarlFK> IntuitiveNipple: isn't -monitor a kvm option?
[19:41] <CarlFK> I am looking for the kernel parm
[19:41] <IntuitiveNipple> And, of course, the kernel command-line adds console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8
[19:41] <CarlFK> there we go :)
[19:41] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[19:41] <IntuitiveNipple> deja-fu :p
[19:41] <CarlFK> heh
[19:42] <IntuitiveNipple> monitor is a qemu option
[19:42] <IntuitiveNipple> http://bellard.org/qemu/qemu-doc.html


[01:43] <SpaceBass> Hey yall, I've got a problem with a brand new 22.04 install and SSSD. Ive joined the box to an AD domain which has no GPOs. We just use it for user auth. In sssd.conf I have: ad_gpo_access_control = permissive BUT no users can log in. I get an error about not being able to apply GPOs for the machine
[01:44] <SpaceBass> That's a known bug in an older version of sssd but this is a very current machine with a newer version than the fixed version of sssd
[08:55] <andypandy> I am using ZFS on my home server, running ubuntu 20.04 currently. I was wondering if I get any benefits from a 22.04.1 upgrade. Since ZFS is part of the kernel (I believe?) is there any differences between 20.04 and 22.04 as far as ZFS is concerned? The kernel are updated on 20.04 anyways?
[08:56] <andypandy> I am trying to find out what the changes are but are only finding articles talking about GNOME versions etc for desktop use. Is there anything major changing for servers?
[08:57] <rbasak> The package versions of most things get updated.
[08:57] <rbasak> Do you know about the release notes? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668
[08:57] <rbasak> The package version updates described there are just highlights though.
[08:57] <andypandy> I will make sure to read those, not sure if I have before.
[08:58] <andypandy> Im mostly using the server for Docker and ZFS as NAS. I am flipping back and forth between "New stuff is fun" and "Dont mess with things that work fin"
[08:58] <andypandy> :D
[12:20] <ahasenack> the irony: "test-fastsuite       FAIL timed out
[12:20] <ahasenack> "
[14:51] <sdeziel> I have a file (/proc/1311748/maps) that when read with `cat` or `grep` causes the reading process to segfault. Anyone has an idea what's going on here? What it looks like https://termbin.com/ekdc
[14:55] <ahasenack> anything in dmesg when that happens? Like an apparmor deny perhaps?
[14:55] <ahasenack> is it only cat? Have you tried others? If it's cat mishandling an error condition, maybe others cope with it better
[14:56] <sdeziel> ahasenack: it's not just cat, grep too but dmesg shows the kernel is having a bad day, will report after a reboot, thanks!
[14:59] <JanC> could be hardware issues with memory too
[17:42] <sarnold> andypandy: l2arc persistence, perhaps?
[19:08] <SpaceBass> Having a lot of issues with sssd and AD on 22.04
[19:08] <SpaceBass> Looks like I'm still getting some of the bugs that were reported to be fixed and closed a while ago :/
[19:08] <SpaceBass> Anyone having success with SSSD and AD?
[20:52] <av2156> hello, is systemd-networkd == networkd? are both same ?
[20:59] <sergiodj> SpaceBass: I'm busy with something else right now, but if you could file a bug against the package and provide as much information as possible, I'd appreciate
[20:59] <sergiodj> steps to reproduce the problem are also very much welcome
[21:40] <SpaceBass> Ill try
[21:41] <SpaceBass> Basically, the hack to use permissive around GPOs isn't working in 22.04
[21:52] <sarnold> av2156: probably systemd-networkd == networkd; I know I've been lazy and saved myself all that typing in the past :)
[21:53] <av2156> okay
[21:53] <av2156> noice
[22:28] <av2156> Hi, I want to fix my ethernet connection on u ubuntu server
[22:28] <av2156> been trying with netplan
[22:28] <av2156> buy netplan apply always throws the same error
[22:30] <av2156> "subprocess.CallProcessError: Command '['systemctl', 'start', 'netplan-wpa-wlp3s0.service']' returned non-zero exit status 1."
[22:30] <sarnold> run that command yourself and see if it emits any more detailed errors?
[22:31] <av2156> also everywhere i read, i saw just one yaml file on ubuntu server, mime has two 00-installer-config-wifi.yaml & 00-installer-config.yaml
[22:31] <av2156> @sarnold ok
[22:32] <av2156> sarnold: but the service mentioned has incorrect wifi name, mine is wlan0 and it has wlp3s0
[22:32] <sarnold> av2156: is the name wrong in your yamls?
[22:33] <av2156> yes
[22:33] <av2156> is that the issue ?
[22:36] <av2156> edited the yaml
[22:36] <av2156> applied the yaml
[22:37] <av2156> now rebooting
[22:37] <sarnold> it might be one of several issues; you could either write your netplan config to use set-name to set the name to something https://netplan.io/reference#common-properties-for-all-device-types or match the name that it's actually got
[22:40] <av2156> alright
[22:41] <av2156> also
[22:41] <av2156> I am a little bit confused about the static ip
[22:42] <av2156> what would be my gateway ip ? and what ip should i assign if i want to?
[22:42] <sarnold> the gateway IP depends upon your local network configuration -- your network administrator should be able to tell you what gateway to use, if any
[22:42] <av2156> i saw in router settings allowed range starts from <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:42] <av2156> funnily i am my net admin
[22:43] <av2156> 🫡
[22:43] <sarnold> aha :) then in that case it's almost always the IP address of whatever you'd consider to the "the router" or "the firewall" sort of thing
[22:43] <sarnold> usually it's a .1 number in an address, but that's just a convention
[22:43] <av2156> so i ll have to assign something starting after 33 ?
[22:44] <av2156> or from after <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[22:44] <sarnold> I'm not sure what your router's "allowed range" actually means -- you're probably right, but that leaves only around 30 addresses for dhcp use, which feels pretty low for the average home
[22:45] <av2156> ip lease i meant
[22:45] <av2156> ranges from 33 to 253
[22:45] <av2156> i ll have to assign between these to set a static ip?
[22:47] <sarnold> that sounds very plausible, yes
[22:47] <av2156> ok
[22:50] <av2156> rebooted wifi still couldnt get an ip


[17:39] <Scary_Guy> https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16805216/google-chrome-only-sites-internet-explorer-6-web-standards


[03:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:10] <ducasse> good morning
[06:12] <TJ-> Grrr, I keep on forgetting when the PC resumes it reconnects !
[06:24] <lordievader> Good moring
[22:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[23:44] <guiverc> G'day lotuspsychje, isn't it frighteningly early for you?  (or you forget to sleep?)
[23:45] <lotuspsychje> yeah slept short, but its weekend i can postpone naps :p
[23:46] <guiverc> :)
[23:47] <sarnold> mm naps


[05:03] <fabbione> morning
[02:01] <jbailey> doko, elmo: fabbiones was nudging me about the binutils update, and I think it might solve the GOT issue on HPPA (it looks very similar).  Do you want me to look at it later?
[02:03] <doko> jbailey: sure, yes. elmo, could you place the patch somewhere? maybe we just apply it for sparc and hppa for breezy.
[02:08] <elmo> eww
[02:08] <elmo> the patch is on the mailing list
[02:09] <elmo> I think conditionally applying patches, esp. on a per-arch basis is satanic
[02:09] <jbailey> elmo: Yup, you said you were hacking on it last week - do you have a dpatch?  If not, I'll throw it together.
[02:09] <jbailey> And we do that all the time in the toolchain.
[02:09] <elmo> however, I can't justify working on it during the day, not if it doesn't affect a release arch, so you guys go ahead and do what you want for breezy
[02:09] <elmo> jbailey: that doesn't make it right
[02:09] <elmo> and FWIW binutils has never done it :P
[02:09] <jbailey> =)
[04:20] <fabbione> so guys.. how many chances i have to get fixed binutils?
[04:29] <jbailey> fabbione: I'll extract the patch in a few hours.
[04:29] <jbailey> fabbione: When are you passing out tonight?
[04:54] <fabbione> jbailey: around 18:00 UTC
[04:55] <jbailey> Ah, quite early then.
[04:55] <jbailey> Well, hopefully by the time you wake up then.
[04:56] <fabbione> jbailey: well yeah.. i will have dinner at that time.. and i would love to spend sometime with my wife :)
[04:56] <jbailey> I understand. =)
[04:56] <jbailey> We need to get more of us married off so that becomes normal. ;)
[04:56] <fabbione> jbailey: ehehe


[10:26] <mark> linux requiring restarts for a lot of partition changes sucks a lot for the installer eh
[10:26] <mark> I am just installing ubuntu on a desktop machine, and the installer fails / hangs because of it
[10:36] <cjwatson> that should only happen if partitions on the relevant disk are mountted
[10:36] <cjwatson> mounted
[10:37] <cjwatson> if the partition table is unused then Linux doesn't need to be rebootted
[10:37] <cjwatson> argh, damn t key
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1898 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): (log message trimmed)
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.16ubuntu4,
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  base-installer 1.70ubuntu4, choose-mirror 2.10ubuntu2, clock-setup
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  0.12ubuntu2, debian-installer-utils 1.42ubuntu2, migration-assistant
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  0.4, partman-auto 62ubuntu5, partman-base 100ubuntu4,
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  partman-basicfilesystems 51ubuntu2, partman-basicmethods 33ubuntu2,
[10:57] <CIA-4> ubiquity:  partman-efi 11ubuntu2, partman-ext3 45ubuntu2, partman-jfs 20ubuntu2,
[11:21] <CIA-4> ubiquity: cjwatson * r1899 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.3.22
[04:05] <secureboot> when I fakeroot make build_monolithic, the .iso I get has the 2.6.17-10-generic kernel on it, while the modules are for 2.6.17-10-386.
[04:05] <secureboot> i have udebs for the 386 modules in localdebs
[04:05] <secureboot> now, i can modify the kernel-version in the i386.cfg file to specify generic, and all works well
[04:05] <secureboot> however, i'd like the 386 kernel - why might the generic kernel be the one being booted in the iso, instead of 386?
[04:17] <cjwatson> you'd need to change build/config/i386.cfg or wherever it is - somewhere under build/config anyway
[04:17] <cjwatson> there's a master kernel version encoded in there
[04:19] <secureboot> one more question - with custom udebs - why don't all modules show up in the installer's /lib/modules?  I"d like to include more modules than are there, and all the ones built into the kernel that the udebs came from aren't included - why is this, and how do i add them so that d-i knows about them?
[04:20] <cjwatson> because only Priority: standard and above ones are pulled in automatically
[04:20] <cjwatson> (above => important, required)
[04:21] <cjwatson> note that those that aren't in the initrd will not show up in /lib/modules until after the "Retrieving installer components from CD" or similar stage; the initrd is deliberately kept fairly small, only what's needed to boot and fetch more bits
[04:21] <cjwatson> we don't include everything in udebs because not everything's useful in the installer environment, and there are typically some space constraints
[04:25] <secureboot> so more things will show up after a ceratin boot stage?
[04:25] <secureboot> neat
[04:26] <secureboot> how does one pull in other modules then?
[04:26] <secureboot> like the aes module, for instance
[04:29] <cjwatson> Depends
[04:30] <cjwatson> if e.g. a partman module needs something, it can depend on it
[04:30] <cjwatson> alternatively, the anna-install program, if an installer component needs to make a dynamic decision on what to grab
[04:36] <secureboot> are all the kernel modules in SOME udeb?  For example, is the AES module guaranteed to be in some udeb, or could it just be nowhere?
[04:38] <secureboot> assuming of course, i built correctly and AES is in the kernel
[04:50] <cjwatson> no, it could be nowhere
[04:50] <cjwatson> for example there's no need for squashfs in the (alternate) installer
[04:50] <cjwatson> or mouse drivers
[04:51] <cjwatson> or the bits of X support that are in the kernel (drm)
[04:52] <secureboot> cjwatson: so how does one add custom modules to the installer's kernel?
[04:53] <secureboot> cjwatson: i haven't seen docs on that around
[04:54] <cjwatson> could you clarify?
[04:55] <secureboot> say i want the installer kernel to have access to the AES module - how would I do such a thing?
[04:55] <secureboot> if the AES module isn't in the udebs that are generated when I make a custom kernel, what's the best procedure?
[04:55] <secureboot> i have a linux-image deb - should I get the installer to install that, and use its modules?  is that the most appropriate approach?
[04:56] <cjwatson> wah, no
[04:56] <secureboot> good - that's ugly
[04:56] <cjwatson> if you need it in the installer, add it to the appropriate files in debian/d-i/ or wherever it is - somewhere along those lines anyway
[04:56] <cjwatson> you'll need to add it to package-list and then create the right file to list what modules should be includued
[04:56] <cjwatson> included
[04:57] <cjwatson> if you look at the existing files there, it should be relatively straightforward to work out
[04:57] <cjwatson> the kernel-wedge program has online help (see kernel-wedge(1) for pointers)
[04:58] <secureboot> are these files in the kernel source, or in d-i?
[04:58] <cjwatson> kernel source
[04:58] <secureboot> okay - i'll look into it, thanks
[07:43] <secureboot> is there a good way to run post-install scripts?
[07:49] <secureboot> i've got like 5 i want to run
[07:58] <evand> secureboot: /usr/lib/finish-install.d, I believe.
[07:58] <evand> so /usr/lib/finish-install.d/99yourscript
[07:58] <evand> would be the last thing to run
[07:59] <evand> if I understand your question correctly
[08:00] <secureboot> evand: sounds like you do
[08:00] <secureboot> evand: thanks
[08:00] <evand> no problem


[08:39] <DJones> !bot > adnauseam
[14:07] <IdleOne> !touch
[14:39] <Pici> oops
[14:41] <IdleOne> heh
[14:41] <IdleOne> happens :)
[19:19] <Pici> I could have sworn I updated the 11.10 factoid.
[19:19] <LjL> Pici: hey, nobody escapes old age
[19:20] <Pici> my logs say that I updated it on 5/9 and then again on 5/30
[19:20] <Pici> tsimpson / jussi: is there something going on with ubottu's factoid datbaase? I have some edits that seem to have been reverted.
[19:21] <LjL> Pici: i can tell you the file system is not read only (i've learned to always check that first)
[19:25] <LjL> Pici: would you happen to know what a blue background, normal foreground means in "ls --color"?
[19:26] <LjL> oh, probably hard link
[19:32] <Pici> dircolors -p | grep HARD = 44;37 (white text on blue background)
[19:42] <Pici> jrib: I'm not sure if #bash is going to be able to help him. they can get kind of picky if its not directly bash related.
[19:44] <LjL> Pici: yeah that's it, the ubottu database shows up that way so i was wondering if that had anything to do with the issue
[19:44] <Pici> LjL: Yeah.
[19:45] <jrib> Pici: i'll keep an eye on #bash
[19:45] <Pici> jrib: I am too
[19:45] <jrib> Pici: yes, I was surprised by 11.10, I updated it again just now in pm
[20:27] <genii> Is there a special process to get a cloak for a name you intend to use for a bot on your own registered channel?
[20:28] <LjL> genii: staff will need your bot (or you, while logged in as the bot) to say something proving it's yours to them
[20:29] <genii> eg: I'm also sitting in #freenode as JuanValdez which is what I intend to use as a bot, asking them for a cloak
[20:29] <genii> Hm
[20:29] <LjL> genii: so basically, 1) join as bot 2) from yourself: "i'd like a bot cloak for <mybot>" 3) from your bot: "yes, i can confirm i'm genii's bot"
[20:29] <genii> OK
[20:31] <LjL> i bet if i join your channel, i'm not going to find you and h00k passing mugs around with the bot watching
[20:32] <genii> Hehe
[20:32] <genii> We have 7-8 right now
[20:33] <genii> I'm going to work on the bot over the next week, etc
[20:33] <LjL> meh, i guess i've probably got some free slots as i parted some other channels so
[22:00] <Jordan_U> k1l: webchat gateway users are +e'd in #ubuntu by the bots (unless their host is +b). Just adding +q (which they already have as a webchat user) won't quiet them.
[22:01] <k1l> yes, i didnt look up that its a webchat user when i fired the mute script
[22:01] <LjL> well if you quiet by nickname, that *should* work
[22:01] <LjL> we used to all quiet by nickname so that's the way i put it in the bots
[22:02] <LjL> although "work" here means, the bot will take on a mind of its own and kickban them as soon as you +q them
[22:02] <k1l> then we need seveas to tune his script for #ubuntu :)
[22:02] <LjL> good luck
[22:02] <LjL> maybe you can blackmail him
[22:03]  * Jordan_U sends blackmail material in #ubuntu-ops-team.
[22:03] <LjL> yeah, i will search my logs for instances of Seveas running around the channel naked as well
[22:04] <k1l> iirc he lives in .nl, that is not that far away from my location :)
[23:30] <h00k> LjL: I bet you're right, yeah.


[07:32] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:32] <dholbach> comment ça va?
[07:32] <davidcalle> dholbach: bien! Et toi?
[07:32] <dholbach> bien aussi :-)
[07:32] <dholbach> j'ai eu un weekend très calme :)
[07:34] <dholbach> shall we attempt a deployment today? :)
[07:36] <davidcalle> dholbach: that's nice :) Yep, I need to finish downloading something before I move to the vpn to check everything, but I'm filing the RT this morning
[07:36] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[07:36] <dholbach> take your time
[07:36] <dholbach> I'm still busy patch piloting anyway :)
[07:36] <davidcalle> :)
[07:37] <davidcalle> You'll need to teach me one day ;)
[08:39] <davidcalle> dholbach: +1 to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/just-one-rawhtml-plugin ?
[08:40] <davidcalle> afair, it contains everything we worked on monday
[08:40] <davidcalle> friday*
[08:40] <dholbach> go go go
[08:40] <dholbach> 🏎
[08:50] <davidcalle> dholbach: redeploying the whole clean thing on staging to get a shiny tarball for prod
[09:13] <dholbach> <3
[14:27] <davidcalle> dholbach: dpm: you are CCed to the duc rt
[14:27]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[14:27] <dholbach> you're a hero
[14:28] <dpm> thanks davidcalle!
[14:28]  * davidcalle hugs dholbach


[05:19] <Unit193> !info wine32 focal
[20:44] <tomreyn> thanks about !bootlog, d@x
[20:45] <tomreyn> actually much better than what i suggested
[20:52] <dax> *nod* was already poking at it when you put in a suggestion, ended up making a mix of both
[20:59] <tomreyn> oh, i noticed you saying something about it in #ubuntu, but i didn't understand what you were saying then
[21:10] <dax> mostly making fun of the factoid name :s
[21:10] <dax> (i added some aliases to it too)
[21:10] <dax> !-bootparm
[21:10] <dax> not that one
[21:10] <dax> !-kernelparm
[21:31] <tomreyn> nice!


[08:02] <achilleasa> can someone review this backport of the cost constraints? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12066
[12:10] <manadart> achilleasa stickupkid hml: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12067
[12:11] <manadart> I don't believe this is able to affect a change in behaviour currently, but is preamble for a following change.
[12:47] <stickupkid> manadart, looking
[13:36] <achilleasa> manadart: got some time for a quick CR? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12068
[13:38] <manadart> achilleasa: Yep.


[00:12] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: why did you restrict the architecture field when uploading dpf-plugins?+
[00:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: Woah, that was a very long time ago, I'd have to go back and check.
[00:13] <vorlon> ok, well the package has been stuck in -proposed ever since because it regressed the architecture support
[00:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, nvm, that was a package upgrade. Let me figure out why.
[00:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: Found the reason, this was sloppy packaging on my part as I didn't take the upstream packaging from Debian as, for some reason, I had it in my head that this was an Ubuntu package. I'll fix this in short order.
[00:20] <vorlon> Eickmeyer[m]: cheers
[09:06] <bdrung> ubuntu-archive, please drop the apport SRU from the jammy unapproved queue. I want to upload a version that fixes all autopkgtest issues.
[09:08] <tjaalton> bdrung: done
[09:09] <bdrung> tjaalton, thanks. can you also drop the focal SRU?
[09:11] <tjaalton> bdrung: done that too
[09:11] <tjaalton> *did
[09:13] <tjaalton> sil2100: meh, mesa backport jammy->focal would need a newer libva
[09:14] <tjaalton> this dep bump went below the radar, as sid/jammy already had that
[09:22] <bdrung> tjaalton, thanks
[09:38] <tjaalton> sil2100: and that's not the only one, wayland-protocols would also need to be updated
[10:47] <sil2100> tjaalton: hm, so to get the new mesa we'd have to have quite a big stack update?
[10:49] <tjaalton> sil2100: yeah :/
[10:50] <tjaalton> the libva change can be reverted
[10:55] <sil2100> tjaalton: so how many package updates are we thinking right now?
[10:56] <tjaalton> sil2100: llvm-13 (new), libdrm, wayland-protocols
[10:56] <tjaalton> for mesa, and mesa-amber (new) so that old dri drivers are still available
[10:57] <tjaalton> mesa-amber, llvm-13 and libdrm are on the queue
[10:57] <tjaalton> wayland-protocols is kinda a trivial one, since it's just xml files
[10:58] <tjaalton> it needs 1.24, jammy/kinetic has 1.25-1
[11:00] <sil2100> I think this still feels 'okay', especially if libva can be skipped
[11:00] <sil2100> Let me try looking at those in the queue too
[11:02] <tjaalton> llvm took a few iterations to build, but what has been reverted is to again avoid backporting more
[11:02] <tjaalton> uh
[11:02] <tjaalton> wayland-protocols needs newer meson..
[11:08] <tjaalton> I'll try to relax it, maybe 0.53.2 has subproject support backported
[11:09] <sil2100> All this starts sounding scary. What's your feeling, with all the changes you need to do to relax the dependencies and such, is it still relatively safe to update?
[11:10] <tjaalton> well, it could be done post .5
[11:11] <tjaalton> if at all
[11:13] <tjaalton> well, wayland-protocols built with 0.53.2
[11:16] <tjaalton> "egl/wayland: add initial dma-buf feedback support" would need to be reverted to avoid new wayland-protocols
[11:16] <tjaalton> should be doable I think
[11:23] <tjaalton> then again, that might open another can of worms
[11:25] <tjaalton> sil2100: safest to skip, and if someone later yells loudly, try again with more time?
[11:25] <tjaalton> post .5
[11:33] <tjaalton> pushed a build with the reverts to a ppa to see how it goes
[11:44] <tjaalton> bah, incomplete backport, build failed
[11:45] <tjaalton> will need to revisit this later in the evening
[16:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> tjaalton: If you've got an extra SRU cycle for a quick ack on quassel? bug 1980687, affects both lubuntu and ubuntu studio.
[17:25] <vorlon> sklearn/metrics/tests/test_dist_metrics.py::test_cdist[X11-X21-metric_param_grid0] Fatal Python error: Bus error
[17:25] <vorlon> <table flip>
[17:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> oof
[20:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> vorlon: RE: tjaalton 's message above, I've got people willing to test on standby.
[20:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Rather, my message to him.


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[06:07] <acheronuk> ^^^^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smb4k/+bug/1763615
[06:07] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1763615 in smb4k (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync smb4k 2.1.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]
[06:07] <acheronuk> as per slangasek's request the others day to just get things in the queue to decide the FFe on leaf stuff there
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[11:16] <bluesabre> Please accept the xubuntu-artwork, xfce4-notifyd, and xubuntu-default-settings packages :)
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[15:51] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, hello, can I please blame systemd for this regression in release? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/gdnsd/bionic/amd64
[15:51] <LocutusOfBorg> but 237-3ubuntu6->237-3ubuntu8  has not that much diff to cause an error during statup...
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[22:40] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, resolved now binds to port :53
[22:41] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, what is gdnsd and why does it bind to 53?
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[20:03] <DanaG> Hmm, this new 1-pixel border on Maverick is damn near impossible to grab.  You ever try hitting something 0.1728mm wide?
[20:04] <DanaG> That's literally how wide it is on my screen.
[20:05] <DanaG> (And frankly, the new wallpaper looks like somebody spilled baby food (to use a less gross analogy) on the Lucid wallpaper.
[20:05] <DanaG> oops, mismatched my parentheses.
[20:06] <doctormo> DanaG: Did you see my blog entry today?
[20:07] <DanaG> Not sure... which blog is it?
[20:07] <DanaG> Correction: it's 1px everywhere except at the corners, where there's a 2px by 2px block.
[20:08] <DanaG> Thankfully, I know to alt+middledrag.
[20:08] <DanaG> Does GTK let you use "em" or "points" or other such relative measurements?
[20:09] <DanaG> ah, the canonical design one?
[20:11] <vish> DanaG: bug 160311
[20:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 160311 in metacity (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Resizing windows by grabbing window borders is difficult (affects: 216) (dups: 5) (heat: 1088)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160311
[20:11] <doctormo> DanaG: http://doctormo.org/2010/09/03/random-genetic-wallpaper/
[20:12] <DanaG> Nifty idea, those random variations... but needs some nicer source to work with (not just splotches).  Or rather, even "splotches" would look nicer than the faded blobs.
[20:13] <DanaG> Something like this would be nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ajsOZ0dtxo
[20:13] <DanaG> Snapshots of random shapes.
[20:14] <DanaG> But with less-harsh colors.
[20:14] <doctormo> DanaG: Do you have any experience with svg?
[20:14] <DanaG> Not really.
[20:15] <DanaG> er, rather, not at all.
[20:15] <doctormo> DanaG: What you've shown me is easy enough to do and if there was money in making it (or if it was my job) I'd love to make it happen.
[20:17] <DanaG> I'll bet if you link there on the blog post, somebody could implement it.
[20:18] <DanaG> The thing also lets you use squares and question-marks and such.
[20:19] <vish> DanaG: i guess you dont really know the famous doctormo :)
[20:19] <DanaG> Not really.
[20:28] <DanaG> I just posted a comment on the Canonical one.