[11:15] <gotik_> is it right that lv2rack doesn’t understand midi ports?
[21:01] <mouse> hi someone knows how to use flash with jack?
[21:12] <holstein> mouse: several ways
[21:13] <mouse> i have read some net informations.
[21:13] <mouse> but before i think its important to say i use jackd and pulse only with jack-sink an source
[21:13] <holstein> the pulse-jack bridge that falktx wrote would be easy
[21:14] <mouse> im using that already
[21:14] <holstein> OK
[21:14] <holstein> that should do it
[21:16] <holstein> pulse-jack is not routing flash audio to you're audio device running JACK ?
[21:16] <holstein> mouse: ^
[21:16] <mouse> load-module module-jack-source load-module module-jack-sink this was added to pulse default.pa
[21:16] <mouse> and the other modules were put as comment
[21:16] <mouse> no its not working
[21:17] <holstein> this is the one that falk made?
[21:17] <holstein> for kxstudio
[21:17] <holstein> the package is actually named pulse-jack
[21:17] <holstein> ?
[21:17] <holstein> mouse: for example
[21:18] <mouse> no this i do not have
[21:18] <holstein> all i did was add falks PPA
[21:18] <holstein> sudo apt-get install pulse-jack
[21:18] <holstein> then, start JACK as normal
[21:18] <holstein> open a terminal
[21:18] <holstein> and run
[21:18] <holstein> pulse-jack
[21:18] <holstein> and pulse 'shows up' in JACK connections
[21:19] <holstein> i suppose the other thing would be
[21:19] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[21:19] <holstein> if its record some audio from a flash source
[21:19] <holstein> you might just want to ask the creator of the content
[21:20] <holstein> SO, at the same time you are getting permission, you can probably get a higher quality file
[21:20] <mouse> well i was just checking falks ppa
[21:20] <mouse> its for kxstudio
[21:20] <holstein> right
[21:20] <holstein> mouse: if you'd like
[21:20] <holstein> join #opensourcemusicians
[21:20] <holstein> and ask around
[21:20] <holstein> OR
[21:20] <holstein> join #kxstudio
[21:21] <holstein> im using falks PPA with ubuntu 10.04
[21:21] <mouse> ah ok thx for your help so far
[21:21] <holstein> sure, it'll work :)
[21:21] <holstein> mouse: i know about the sink that you are talking about
[21:21] <holstein> but i havent ever needed it
[21:22] <holstein> i can imagine needing even a web browser open on my production machine
[21:22] <holstein> much less flash
[21:22] <mouse> i want to preview samplefiles
[21:22] <holstein> but, you can
[21:22] <holstein> yeah, i guess i would stop JACK
[21:22] <holstein> go and do what i need to to
[21:22] <holstein> download them
[21:22] <holstein> and get back to JACK
[21:22] <mouse> i thought of wine
[21:23] <mouse> using the browser there
[21:23] <holstein> nah, wine wont do it
[21:23] <mouse> but there jack also does not work
[21:23] <holstein> pulse-jack is easy
[21:23] <mouse> ill try that
[21:24] <holstein> you could also download them all
[21:24] <holstein> and preview them in VLC with the JACK plugin added
[21:24] <holstein> OR audacious
[21:25] <mouse> yes butdownloading thousands of crap tones to find the one you want..
[21:25] <holstein> well, you gotta weed through them one way or the other
[21:28] <mouse> so the jack is installed
[21:28] <holstein> pulse-jack ?
[21:28] <mouse> now just restart ff and it works?
[21:28] <mouse> yep
[21:28] <holstein> you got JACK running?
[21:29] <mouse> yes
[21:29] <holstein> open 'connections'
[21:29] <mouse> and working fine with hydrogen fe
[21:29] <holstein> or whatever you use
[21:29] <holstein> patchage*
[21:29] <holstein> and then, open a terminal
[21:29] <holstein> and start the bridge
[21:29] <holstein> pulse-jack
[21:29] <holstein> then, you should see something new show up
[21:29] <holstein> i forget what its called
[21:29] <holstein> pulse-sink ??
[21:29] <holstein> something like that^
[21:30] <holstein> mouse: you might need to route the bridge
[21:30] <holstein> i cant remember if it auto connects
[21:30] <holstein> but, yeah, that should be it
[21:30] <holstein> probably need to restart FF
[21:31] <mouse> wait a sec
[21:33] <holstein> mouse: be aware that there are a lot of different packages in that PPA
[21:33] <mouse> something is wrong with pulse
[21:33] <mouse> it was running before..now it does not start
[21:34] <holstein> mouse: pulse-jack kills it
[21:34] <holstein> and restarts it so JACK can see it
[21:34] <mouse> yes well pulseaudio is not running
[21:34] <holstein> mouse: you can restart pulse after stopping jack if you want
[21:34] <holstein> alt-F2
[21:34] <holstein> then
[21:34] <holstein> pulseaudio
[21:34] <holstein> mouse: do you have it routed properly?
[21:35] <holstein> the pulse-jack bridge?
[21:35] <mouse> do i need to revert changes made before in default.pa??
[21:35] <holstein> mouse: maybe
[21:35] <holstein> ive never messed about in there
[21:35] <mouse> i followed instructions in the wiki
[21:35] <holstein> for?
[21:36] <holstein> not for falks package
[21:36] <mouse> pulseaudio through jack
[21:36] <holstein> thats for the other method
[21:36] <holstein> that didnt work for you
[21:36] <holstein> right?
[21:36] <holstein> mouse: falk is routinely around
[21:36] <mouse> yes right seems so...load-module module-oss-mmap device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output source_name=input
[21:36] <mouse> load-module module-null-sink
[21:36] <mouse> load-module module-pipe-sink this uncommenting?
[21:37] <holstein> im not sure
[21:37] <holstein> ive never needed to mess with that at all
[21:37] <holstein> if its easy to revert
[21:37] <holstein> i say, go for it
[21:37] <holstein> because, ive never had anyone say falks bridge didnt 'just work'
[21:38] <mouse> ok changes reverted..its now working
[21:38] <holstein> :)
[21:38] <mouse> so now back to it..so first pulseaudio then pulse-jack
[21:38] <holstein> mouse: when i used the bridge
[21:38] <mouse> pulse-jack bridge
[21:39] <holstein> well, just get JACK running
[21:39] <holstein> then, starting pulse-jack
[21:39] <holstein> should do the rest
[21:39] <holstein> IF you need to restart afterwards
[21:39] <holstein> OR if pulse doesnt start if you reboot
[21:39] <holstein> which i had happen
[21:39] <holstein> you can start it with pulseaudio
[21:39] <holstein> i made a startup item for it
[21:40] <holstein> and ive totally spaced mentioning that to falk
[21:40] <holstein> its probably something on my end
[21:43] <mouse> so when starting pulseaudio manually it starts
[21:43] <mouse> also as a daemon
[21:43] <mouse> when i start pulse-jack
[21:44] <mouse> it says its running need to stop then pulsejack then failed to load daemon
[21:46] <mouse> ah playback only works
[21:46] <mouse> yep now it showed up
[21:46] <mouse> as a connection in jack
[21:46] <holstein> yeah, thats the deal
[21:46] <mouse> let me test
[21:48] <mouse> hmm..youtube fe still silent :(
[21:48] <mouse> pulseaudio jack sink is connected with the output
[21:48] <holstein> mouse: all pulse *should* be routed there
[21:49] <holstein> is for me
[21:50] <holstein> well, i gotta grab a nap before the gig
[21:50] <mouse> pulseaudio meter shows no audio output
[21:50] <holstein> mouse: check over in #opensourcemusicians


[00:01] <jedijf> waltman: getting ubu interested?
[00:02] <waltman> I'm ubu-curious :)
[00:03] <waltman> At the moment I've got nothing to install it on.
[00:03] <jedijf> that mught be enough to make me book a release party
[00:03] <waltman> heh
[00:03] <jedijf> err
[00:04] <jedijf> waltman: for kicks pasug is doing a 'hello to natty' tonight
[00:05] <jedijf> i think you'd <3 it
[00:05] <pleia2> we're just going out to drink lots of beer
[00:05] <rmg51> waltman: do you have a spare external drive?
[00:06] <waltman> oh right, they're the crazy os2 zealots :)
[00:06] <pleia2> I miss pasug, they were adorable
[00:07] <waltman> I went to a pasug meeting once. It was scary.
[00:07] <rmg51> you should have come to PACS linux sig and meet up with Larry
[00:07] <pleia2> they love telling stories
[00:08] <pleia2> hmm, I think Larry said he has a daughter out here
[00:08] <jedijf> yep
[00:08] <jedijf> surfer
[00:08] <pleia2> yeah
[00:08] <jedijf> him and strumpf miss you
[00:08] <pleia2> john kirk is down in LA now, it was weird running into him at SCALE
[00:09] <jedijf> you don't elder abuse them like i do
[00:09] <JonathanD> Everyone does :p
[00:09] <pleia2> I listened to their stories and laughed at their jokes
[00:09] <jedijf> pleia2: you are /too/ nice
[00:09] <pleia2> I think I was shipped with two polite chips by accident
[00:11] <JonathanD> sounds bout right.
[00:11] <jedijf> k gonna try to make room and install this nonsense
[00:11] <JonathanD> perhaps I could borrow one sometimes
[00:11] <JonathanD> I'm a bit scared to try newbuntu.
[00:13] <rmg51> that's why I keep the external around
[00:13] <waltman> Do you mean nubuntu?
[00:13] <rmg51> makes for a good test bed
[00:14] <waltman> I've got a craving for a burger, but the weather outside still looks ominous
[00:15] <rmg51> drive thru ;-)
[00:16] <JonathanD> mmm
[00:16] <waltman> mmm
[00:16] <JonathanD> waltman: red robin time, me thinkgs.
[00:16] <JonathanD> (not tonight)
[00:17] <waltman> the cloest red robin to me is a half hour drive :(
[00:17] <JonathanD> waltman: you should come meet us at peppers sometime
[00:17] <JonathanD> decent italian stuff.
[00:17] <JonathanD> it's near ginos
[00:17] <JonathanD> well, sort of
[00:17] <pleia2> hey nice, they have RRs out here
[00:17] <pleia2> I never thought to look
[00:18] <JonathanD> I could go for a 5 alarm.
[00:18] <JonathanD> I think tahts what it's called
[00:18] <waltman> peppers?
[00:18] <JonathanD> waltman: yeah, in KOP
[00:18] <waltman> mmm, RR
[00:18] <JonathanD> waltman: probably close than RR.
[00:18] <JonathanD> I think, anyway.
[00:18] <waltman> oh, across from Michael's?
[00:19] <waltman> there's a 5 guys clone in Bryn Mawr
[00:19] <JonathanD> waltman: yes
[00:19] <JonathanD> michaels the food place ,I assume you mean.
[00:20] <waltman> the deli/beer place
[00:20] <pleia2> with the beer :d
[00:20] <JonathanD> Right
[00:20] <JonathanD> I've never been there.
[00:20] <waltman> It's got a certain ambiance
[00:21] <waltman> it's a jewish deli with like 150 different kinds of beer in fridges up front
[00:21] <JonathanD> Intersting.
[00:21] <JonathanD> good sandwiches?
[00:22] <waltman> I've only ever eaten there once. Got a tuna salad on rye. It was acceptable.
[00:22] <rmg51> don't keep saying beer around pleia2, she'll drool all over the keyboard :-D
[00:22] <waltman> ok, I'm going to go find some dinner.  later.
[00:23] <JonathanD> Good luck.
[00:23] <waltman> thanks
[00:23] <JonathanD> we have 2 extra burgers, if you want one :p
[00:27] <pleia2> rmg51: I am going out for beer at our release party soon!
[00:29] <rmg51> pleia2: = beer
[00:44] <Irishmanluke> I like jewish rye
[00:45] <Irishmanluke> and beer
[00:45] <JonathanD> I like jewish rye too
[00:45] <JonathanD> Probably my favorite non-roll bread
[00:46] <pleia2> me too
[00:46] <Irishmanluke> me too
[00:48] <Irishmanluke> everday at work I find out that I've spent the day doing everything wrong
[00:48] <Irishmanluke> waltman: I feel like Sisyphus ;)
[00:49] <Irishmanluke> it's actually a pretty liberating experience though
[00:51] <rmg51> Irishmanluke: every time I go to work I feel like I am doing something wrong :-/
[01:07] <Irishmanluke> rmg51: why is that?
[01:08] <rmg51> getting up  early... leaving the house... spending the day working....
[01:09] <rmg51> where's the fun in that?
[01:12] <Irishmanluke> oh, you meant that the going to work part was the mistake
[01:12] <Irishmanluke> well it depends on what you are doing for a living
[01:12] <Irishmanluke> if there is no fun there is no point
[01:12] <rmg51> and how long you've been doing it
[01:13] <Irishmanluke> are you having a midlife crisis?
[01:14] <rmg51> no, I have a teddy bear :-D
[01:14] <Irishmanluke> ...
[01:23] <jedijf> pleia2: there are workplaces.....just odd
[01:24] <Irishmanluke> I'm going to start calling work play
[01:24] <Irishmanluke> I have to go to play tomorrow at 9
[01:24] <Irishmanluke> well 8
[01:50] <Irishmanluke> I see I missed some good linux talk earlier
[02:17] <waltman> http://bit.ly/iHN01B
[02:17] <PennBot> Title: Barbecue How-To: The Beef-Filled Bacon & Hot Dog Turtle - Denver Restaurants and Dining - Cafe Society (at bit.ly)
[02:25] <rmg51> I broke Unity :-D
[02:26] <Irishmanluke> that was quick
[02:26] <rmg51> tried to setup compiz
[02:27] <rmg51> now all I have is a desktop with no way to navigate
[02:27] <rmg51> no panels
[02:27] <rmg51> nothing but wallpaper
[02:27] <rmg51> :P
[02:27] <Irishmanluke> waltman: I went to the link and my head exploded
[02:28] <waltman> then my work here is done :)
[02:43] <rmg51> fixed
[02:43] <rmg51> silly compiz
[03:52] <andrew> Where is my mini9 power adapter hiding?
[03:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> behind the wall, to the left, next to the cryogenic storage units
[03:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[03:52]  * andrew goes and looks there
[03:53] <erstazi> so, who is trying out 11.04 so far? I have it going in a vm but won't be upgrading some of my real boxes for a few weeks.
[03:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> erstazi:  me neither
[03:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> cept i dont have a box to upgrade :P
[03:53]  * TheEvilPhoenix uses 10.04 stable on stuff
[03:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> andrew:  was it there?
[03:56] <erstazi> TheEvilPhoenix: for -server, of course. But most of my headless boxes are Debian or CentOS.
[03:56] <erstazi> got a few of them that are ubuntu-server
[03:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> erstazi:  i needed a specific gcc-4.5 package that is nonstandard... hence why i needed ubu server 10.10 :/
[03:58]  * TheEvilPhoenix is going to convert that server box to Debian stable
[04:01] <andrew> TheEvilPhoenix: nope. not there
[04:02] <andrew> I hope I didn't leave it somewhere...
[04:03] <andrew> fudge
[04:03] <erstazi> TheEvilPhoenix: yeah, I know that feeling about specific packages. I have a few Debian IA64 servers I have to manage. It sucks.
[04:03] <andrew> FOUND IT
[04:03] <erstazi> yay
[04:04] <andrew> side pocket of a duffle bag
[04:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> andrew:  i think it may have also been sitting next to the matter reabsorption matrix for the warp plasma feeds earlier, it may have rematerialized there
[04:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> there being in your duffle bag
[04:05] <andrew> the main compartment of the duffle bag currently holds a long extenstion cord, gorrillapod, & power adapter for my point & shoot
[04:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> heh
[04:06] <andrew> and a brochure from Jimmy's BBQ
[04:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[04:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> andrew:  but i coulda sworn your charger was on the far other side of the channel yesterday... *checks the secret areas of the channel*
[04:07] <andrew> bluetooth headset, still missing; decent flashlight from a woot bag of crap, also still missing
[04:07] <andrew> I take suggestions for those as well
[04:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> andrew:  i think i vaporized the flashlight...
[04:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> as for the bluetooth headset, i think it got transported to 4chan :/
[04:09] <andrew> granted, earlier this evening (on the quest for the mini9 power adaptor) i came across another power adapter that I litterally spent 10 minutes trying to remember what it was for (spoiler: xpal  XP8000)
[04:09] <erstazi> yeah, got to love finding extra adapters and not knowing where they go
[04:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> heh
[04:11] <andrew> erstazi: I keep telling myself that I'm going to put my labeler to use
[04:12] <erstazi> and then you misplace the labeler,…
[04:13] <andrew> nope, I know where that is
[04:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> andrew:  no, you dont.  i moved it
[04:13] <andrew> granted, that's why I don't have the desire to use it right now
[04:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> except I forgot where i moved it to
[11:13] <JonathanD> He just doesn't know what it is.
[11:13] <JonathanD> It isn't labeled.
[11:13] <JonathanD> Good morning, PA
[11:22] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[11:23]  * Irishmanluke wonders if he has any internet access on the server at work
[11:25] <JonathanD> morning rmg51
[11:25] <Irishmanluke> morning everyone
[11:26] <rmg51> o/
[11:27] <rmg51> breakfast time :)
[11:27] <Irishmanluke> for me 8 is breakfast time
[11:52] <rmg51> I get to work at 8
[11:59] <JonathanD> I usually eat when I get to work, around 9.
[12:04] <JonathanD> Today though the bacon is calling.
[12:20] <waltman> Wait, the wedding's already over? I haven't even had my tea and crumpets yet!
[12:50] <JonathanD> Ooh, someones getting married?
[12:57] <Irishmanluke> yeah I eat breakfast when I get to work as welll
[12:57] <Irishmanluke> and I get to work at 8
[12:58] <teddy-dbear> I'm at work now
[12:58] <Irishmanluke> I think I will buy some bacon this weekend though
[12:59] <Habeous> hello
[12:59] <waltman> Irishmanluke: but you get free breakfast
[12:59] <Irishmanluke> oh yeah, I'm latee
[12:59]  * waltman goes to make some breakfast, too
[13:02] <Irishmanluke> I don't get bacon
[13:03] <Irishmanluke> it's just like bagels cereal and hard boiled eggs
[13:04] <Irishmanluke> not that I'm complaining bagels are great
[13:46] <toggles> anyone know how to configure unit?
[13:47] <toggles> unitY?
[13:47] <PennBot> unitY is shiny, toggles
[13:47] <toggles> no it's not
[13:53] <waltman> toggles: units?
[13:53] <waltman> oh, unitY
[13:54] <toggles> ;-)
[13:54] <toggles> i think something in compiz settings manager...
[13:54] <toggles> it'a a pita not to be able to click an icon an launch a second copy
[13:54] <toggles> and unlike say docky you can't even right click
[14:41] <InHisName> I have either 10.04   ---  how to have ubuntu prompt me for next upgrade ?  (10.10, etc.)
[14:42] <andrew> You have either 10.04 or what?
[14:42] <teddy-dbear> the bear is not feeling the love for unity
[14:43] <InHisName> s/either //
[14:44] <andrew> If you installed 10.04 fresh, it will have set you to LTS only. To change to normal releases, System -> Administration -> Update Manager (or Synaptic) -> Settings... -> Updates [Tab] -> Release Upgrade -> Normal Releases
[14:48] <InHisName> I think I started with 8.10 and just finished updating to 10.04.
[14:48] <InHisName> I have not seen offering to go to 10.10 yet.
[14:49] <andrew> check that to be sure, then see if anything if offered on the top of the update manager
[14:49] <InHisName> Do I need to do somthing to tickle it into upgrading ?
[14:49] <InHisName> OK
[14:52] <InHisName> Said updates fine 11 days ago.    Clicked check again.
[14:53] <InHisName> 38 packages.   NO 10.10 though.
[14:56] <InHisName> ver nor version works in terminal mode to give version level in my main box.   I think I upgraded my old test box to 10.04.   Main is probably less than that.
[15:00] <InHisName> download up to 26 of 38,  looks like it will take some time for all of it.
[15:01] <teddy-dbear> JonathanD: stop messing with my connection :P
[15:02] <InHisName> teddy-dbear: is JonathanD depriving you of your love for unity?
[15:03] <teddy-dbear> no, just my connection to irc :-(
[15:07] <InHisName> you seem connected just ducky, teddy-dbear
[15:09] <JonathanD> heh :p
[15:12] <ChinnoDog> So, I can upgrade to 11.04 from alternate CD? Someone said that, right?
[15:12] <InHisName> so far only andrew, JonathanD, teddy-dbear, waltman, Irishmanluke, rmg51, ChinnoDog and toggles have bothered to prove their connections this morning.
[15:13] <JonathanD> prove?
[15:13] <InHisName> I didn't, still wanting to do upgrade by update mgr, just don't know how to tickle into doing so.
[15:14] <InHisName> prove by typing something.
[15:14] <teddy-dbear> so far I lost my connection 3 times since 8 am
[15:14] <ChinnoDog> do-release-upgrade?
[15:14] <teddy-dbear> ChinnoDog: you can
[15:15] <JonathanD> InHisName: well, if the connections are dead they'll be disconnected from irc, as well ;)
[15:15] <teddy-dbear> did one last night
[15:15] <knightzero> InHisName: Something.  Have I proved myself now?
[15:17] <InHisName> In trying to run 'monitors', I get "it appears that your graphics driver does not support the necessary extension to use this tool. Do you want to use your graphics drive vendor's tool instead ?"
[15:17] <InHisName> Am I missing something in my graphics system in main box ?
[15:18] <InHisName> yes, knightzero    - now feel free to join the free for all conversations.
[15:19] <knightzero> Once I manage to purge unity completely from my system, I'll be in a far more talkative mood.
[15:19] <InHisName> Monitor used to be detected at Dell 110, Now "unknown", harrumph!
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> Why can't I find documentation for upgrading to natty from CD/DVD? Link?
[15:20] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: upgrade?
[15:20] <PennBot> Rumor has it upgrade is how to get the newest Ubuntu release.  Regular, alternate, DVD?
[15:22] <teddy-dbear> alt
[15:27] <andrew> teddy-dbear: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD
[15:27] <PennBot> Title: Upgrading to Ubuntu 11.04 - Community Ubuntu Documentation (at help.ubuntu.com)
[15:27] <andrew> yay for spaces in the url...
[15:40] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: CD upgrade is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#Upgrading Using the Alternate CD/DVD
[15:40] <PennBot> Got it, ChinnoDog.
[15:42] <lamalex> pleia2, are you going to uds?
[15:42] <andrew> lamalex: she said she was
[15:43] <lamalex> thanks andrew
[15:43] <lamalex> ssweeny, you're going too?!
[15:44] <rhpot1991> where is next uds at?
[15:44] <lamalex> budapest
[15:44] <lamalex> next week
[15:44] <rhpot1991> heh, I'll have to wait for the next one
[15:44] <lamalex> heh yah
[15:45] <lamalex> oh yeah there's lyz on the list of attendees
[15:45] <lamalex> i'm leaving in a few hours and haven't started packing
[15:45] <lamalex> well that's not true
[15:45] <lamalex> i found my passport
[15:46] <andrew> most important part
[15:48] <lamalex> yah, i could really go with just my laptop and the clothes im wearing
[15:48]  * lamalex thinks about that
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> That would be traveling light
[15:52] <andrew> ChinnoDog: swap the laptop for a smartphone, and I'd agree
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> That would be ultralight
[15:53] <andrew> ultralight would mean leaving the smartphone at home and bringing the smallest flip phone you could find
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> Skip the clothes you are wearing too. They just make it take longer to get through airport security.
[15:54] <andrew> I think the curve starts to increase as clothing approches zero, more suspission that you are up to something
[15:54] <InHisName> saves wear and tear on the xray machines
[15:55] <ssweeny> lamalex, yep
[15:55] <ssweeny> as a canonical employee
[15:59] <lamalex> whoa really?
[15:59] <lamalex> congrats!
[15:59] <lamalex> ssweeny, what team are you on?
[15:59] <InHisName> package update - all current as of 1 hour ago.    How to have it trigger update to next 10.10 etc ?
[16:00] <ssweeny> lamalex, i'm joining the oem services team
[16:00] <ssweeny> my first day is actually the first day of uds
[16:00] <lamalex> heh, that was me last uds
[16:00] <InHisName> ssweeny: is it a full time job ?   How did you do that ?
[16:01] <andrew> InHisName: repeat the steps
[16:01] <andrew> do-release-upgrade
[16:02] <InHisName> would that be in terminal   sudo do-etc?
[16:03] <lamalex> ssweeny, well congrats
[16:03] <lamalex> i guess ill see you next week
[16:03] <lamalex> i didn't see your name on the new hires email
[16:03] <lamalex> i guess i should actually read them..
[16:03] <ssweeny> probably because i haven't started yet
[16:03] <ssweeny> but thanks
[16:03] <InHisName> In past times it came as a clickable button on the upgrade part.   Does that not happen anymore ?
[16:03] <ssweeny> i'm really excited
[16:04] <lamalex> have we ever actually met?
[16:04] <ssweeny> not in person
[16:04] <lamalex> what are you doing in oem?
[16:04] <lamalex> embedded/linaro stuff?
[16:04] <andrew> InHisName: It does, but you may have to check again
[16:04] <lamalex> InHisName, update-manager -d
[16:05] <toggles> don't do it!
[16:05] <andrew> InHisName: In fact, this time it actually popped up "Introducing Natty Norwhal 11.04"
[16:05] <InHisName> ssweeny: didn't you come to the halloween celebration in jenkin town a few years ago ?
[16:06] <InHisName> So which should I try first ?  sudo do-etc ? or upd-mgr -d ?
[16:06] <ssweeny> InHisName, i was at the halloween party but lamalex skipped
[16:07] <ssweeny> i think right now update-manager -d will get you oneiric
[16:07] <InHisName> Ok, So then I did meet you.  You were from Pitts area, right ?
[16:07] <ssweeny> that's right
[16:07] <ssweeny> i was dressed as indiana jones
[16:07] <InHisName> great costume
[16:08] <ssweeny> thanks
[16:08] <ssweeny> the whip was the hardest part to find
[16:08] <InHisName> remember the kid's mom that was dismayed ?    mutantturkey    he persisted.
[16:09] <ssweeny> yeah
[16:10] <ssweeny> lamalex, all i know about the job is it'll be customizing ubuntu for particular OEMs' hardware. some will be embedded i imagine but not exclusively so
[16:11] <lamalex> neat
[16:11] <ssweeny> pretty similar to what i do now, but with real products instead of dev kits
[16:13] <lamalex> ssweeny, are you working from home, or one of the offices
[16:14] <lamalex> i know a lot of the oem people work from lexington
[16:16] <InHisName> sudo update-manager -d     worked just ducky.   Upgrading to 10.10
[16:17] <lamalex> too bad you can't just skip to the newest
[16:19] <InHisName> I have more fun practicing upgrading this way.
[16:20] <lamalex> yeah, what a great skill you'll definitely need down the road
[16:20] <InHisName> 10.04 took over 16 months to complete.   Anything will be faster than that!    It was only my test box so wasn't desperate to get it faster.
[16:22] <ssweeny> lamalex, i'll be working from home
[16:22] <InHisName> I finally chased problem down by viewing text mode and noting what was LAST success and googling that.
[16:22] <ssweeny> probably visit the lexington office on occasion
[16:23] <InHisName> Seems many others 'hung' at same spot.  many solutions, tried 3 and third one turned the trick.
[16:24] <InHisName> ssweeny: how did you 'discover' the opening ?   job listing or some inside connection ?
[16:25] <ssweeny> InHisName, there was a listing on canonical's website
[16:27] <InHisName> did they ask for a min depth of PAID experience in group  of applications?   If so what was num years req'd.
[16:29] <ssweeny> they said they wanted "experience" but did not specify how long
[16:30] <ssweeny> for this particular job they wanted experience in debian packaging, kernel development, C/python/shell, GTK, ARM, DBUS
[16:31] <ssweeny> i've done most of that :)
[16:31] <InHisName> ssweeny: done as in being paid ?  or done combined with dabbling at home ?
[16:32] <ssweeny> i think combined
[16:32] <ssweeny> they really just wanted someone familiar with the stuff
[16:32] <ssweeny> lamalex, what do you do for the big C?
[16:32] <lamalex> DX
[16:33] <InHisName> other HRs have trouble recognizing the at home experiences and sometimes the volunteer stuff too.
[16:33] <ssweeny> oh nice
[16:33] <lamalex> yah
[16:33] <lamalex> unity team
[16:33] <lamalex> booyah
[16:33] <ssweeny> InHisName, i think a company that deals with volunteers at the scale that canonical does would recognize the value of tinkering at home
[16:33] <ssweeny> lamalex, unity is pretty snazzy
[16:34] <lamalex> ssweeny, our recognition of tinkering at home is imo the biggest problem with our hr dept
[16:34] <ssweeny> but it doesn't like my sloppy focus
[16:34] <ssweeny> tsk tsk
[16:34] <ssweeny> lamalex, how so?
[16:34] <lamalex> we hire a lot of at home python hackers who are NOT software engineers
[16:34] <lamalex> there's a massive difference
[16:34] <ssweeny> oh well i can see that being a problem
[16:34] <InHisName> canonical pays like third world pay scale or us non-profit scale ?
[16:34] <lamalex> ...
[16:35] <lamalex> there's a false dichotomy for ya
[16:35] <ssweeny> still, i think someone who can write code, even amateurisly, can be trained to do it properly
[16:35] <lamalex> yah, of course
[16:35] <lamalex> but that's what temp/intern positions are for
[16:36] <ssweeny> and the "software engineering" practices have meant something completely different at each job i've worked
[16:36] <ssweeny> it's probably more important to be able to collaborate effectively
[16:36] <lamalex> so when i say software engineer i don't mean knows about agile or scrum or whatever bs middle management technique is in use
[16:36] <ssweeny> code review can take care of the rest
[16:37] <lamalex> i really mean someone with a professional attitude about writing code, and has some background in the theory
[16:37] <lamalex> i probably just mean "has a degree"
[16:37] <lamalex> to me the biggest difference between a hacker and an engineer is an attitude difference
[16:37] <ssweeny> ah
[16:37] <ssweeny> i can see that
[16:38] <ssweeny> some level of training definitely helps
[16:39] <lamalex> but i guess that's also kind of the difference between DX and desktop team, desktop is more packaging so they have a knowledge of code but that's not there main thing
[16:39] <lamalex> their
[16:39] <ssweeny> true
[16:40] <InHisName> I run system monitor and CPU shows 100% most of time.  top shows 18-28% most of the time    is there an explanation ?
[16:41] <ssweeny> perhaps system monitor is using a lot of cpu time itself
[16:41] <lamalex> htop
[16:48] <ssweeny> InHisName, what does top show when system monitor is running?
[16:49] <InHisName> the numbers stated above.
[16:50] <ssweeny> ok, maybe a bug then
[16:50] <InHisName> that was the first number in top   23.4%us  plus several others all way less than 100.
[17:10] <pleia2> lamalex: have a safe trip
[17:11] <InHisName> top has several numbers:  28%us 18%sy 51%ni  plus a few around 1%
[17:20] <jedijf> lamalex: all that is so true...like music self-taught vs traines w/ theory too
[17:22] <jedijf> i am seeing that now doing the mit courses and really doing them to learn...not just "i know that"
[17:37] <JonathanD> ok, downloaded an 11.04 CD
[17:44] <lamalex> :D
[17:44] <lamalex> UNITY
[17:50] <ssweeny>  ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> Is it intentional that the ubuntu CD images are always too big for a CDRW?
[18:01] <jedijf> just for you
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> Its a conspiracy against me?
[18:01] <andrew> cd rws have less space then cd r?
[18:02] <jedijf> if not willing to invest that dime for cdr, yes
[18:02] <jedijf> andrew: i'm taking his word
[18:02] <andrew> i always thought they were the same size, but never looked into it
[18:02] <andrew> granted, there might be some 650MB instead of 700MB
[18:05] <ChinnoDog> yes, 650MB instead of 700, i.e. 74min instead of 80.
[18:11] <andrew> why not buy a couple 700 MB CD-RWs?
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> Do those exist?
[18:11] <andrew> The very first shopping link on google for the search "cd-rw" is 700MB
[18:12] <andrew> in fact, all 4 of them are
[18:14] <JonathanD> installed
[18:15] <andrew> (I excluded one because it is some sony thing)
[18:16] <andrew> Google shopping results:
[18:16] <andrew> cd-rw 650mb - About 1,770 results; cd-rw 700mb - About 10,100 results
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> Then I guess my CDRWs are prehistoric
[18:17] <andrew> Guess so
[18:17] <ChinnoDog> I still have a few 2Xones. :-)
[18:17] <andrew> S
[18:17] <andrew> l
[18:18] <andrew> o
[18:18] <JonathanD> logging in, isn't this exciting :P
[18:18] <andrew> w
[18:18] <JonathanD> The speakers are making strange spitting sounds.
[18:18] <andrew> !
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> I know. I haven't used them in a long time. I only use them when I am desperate and don't plan on rewriting it any time soon.
[18:20] <andrew> No 1 or 2 GB flash drive arond?
[18:20] <andrew> around*
[18:22] <ChinnoDog> Your right, I should just be using those. :-) CDs are obsolete now, right?
[18:22] <andrew> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/gzwc3/lets_share_unity_tips/
[18:22] <PennBot> Title: Let's share Unity tips! : Ubuntu (at www.reddit.com)
[18:22] <andrew> ^ all ^
[18:22] <ssweeny> yeah why waste a CD?
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> What is the cheapest you can get 1gb flash drives now?
[18:36] <InHisName> 67%ni  is 67% CPU used to process 'niced' processes.  How to find out what they are ?   They're not really running, I only have two running - 23%
[18:36] <knightzero> Question to the lucky folks who have already managed to sit through the upgrade - has anyone found a way of getting workspaces arranged in a line, rather than the 2x2 formation they are currently in?
[18:43] <jedijf> knightzero: haven't tried to yet, but the up/down was getting to me too
[18:47] <knightzero> jedijf: nice to know I'm not the only one.  I just discovered that compiz config is still more than happy to take over, so I'm resetting everything with that.
[18:50] <InHisName> I found what's hogging my cpu:   trackerd and tracker-indexer  are 2 pids running with nice 12 & 19.
[18:51] <jedijf> knightzero: some info here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
[18:51] <InHisName> Shouldn't that be a negative value for nice ?
[18:51] <PennBot> Title: 11.04 - How can I configure Unity? - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange (at askubuntu.com)
[18:52] <jedijf> knightzero: here too : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity
[18:52] <PennBot> Title: Unity - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[18:52] <jedijf> company line: shipped with good defaults
[18:53] <jedijf> the side panel worplace to expose thing is prolly why the 2x2...tradeoff
[18:56] <knightzero> jedijf: I figured as much.  It feels right in unity on the netbook, but I've grown set in my ways on the Thinkpad.  I want certain keys bound in certain ways - and the 4x4 just didn't fit.
[18:58] <jedijf> knightzero: i was on netbook, but i think it's more of a set in ways...i prefer linear wp's
[19:00] <jedijf> i don't like not being able to see them, more than the shape
[19:00] <jedijf> knightzero: how 'bout you? ^^^
[19:07] <knightzero> That didn't bother me quite so much.
[19:07] <knightzero> of course, I didn't really give it a chance to get to me.
[19:07] <InHisName> 19 is favorable for nice.   pulseaudio is at -11 that must be the one causing lotta cpu stuff.
[19:10] <InHisName> nope, same on main system -11.
[19:11] <InHisName> main is 0.4%ni   and 67%ni on test.
[19:12] <InHisName> main is 83% idle   test 0.0% idle
[19:12] <ChinnoDog> hrm. I am getting 9% packet loss today
[19:19] <ChinnoDog> Its either my router or DSL modem :\
[19:28] <rhpot1991> I'm not a fan of unity I don't think
[19:28] <rhpot1991> not being able to move the launcher is a huge deal for me
[19:29] <rhpot1991> multi monitor, with main monitor on the right
[19:29] <rhpot1991> so there is no left edge to snap to in order to expose the launcher
[19:29] <ChinnoDog> Router restarted and it went away. hrm
[19:29] <ChinnoDog> packetloss--
[19:35] <InHisName> test computer nearly done with install 10.10 and then it rebooted.  Uggh!   Now boots to 10.10 text prompt  but is unfinished, so how to finish it up now that its botched ?
[19:37] <ssweeny> InHisName, apt-get -f install should finish configuring everything
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> I just booted up Natty on my laptop. This is Unity? It is very.. OSX-like
[19:59] <ssweeny> there do appear to be some shared elements
[20:02] <jedijf> is that just because of the roundedness of the icons?
[20:06] <ChinnoDog> The way the menus work
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> The placement of the menu bar, the way the launcher works
[20:07] <rhpot1991> remind me of win7 with the searching
[20:07] <rhpot1991> 2 things I'd like to see
[20:08] <rhpot1991> 1. a way to keep the launcher pannel always open and nothing underneath it
[20:08] <rhpot1991> 2. a way to exclude things from the searching
[20:09] <jedijf> rhpot1991: there are some settings i just cant remember them, see the wiki link i sent earlier
[20:09] <rhpot1991> jedijf: I was able to make the launcher not hide, but things still went underneath it so that was mostly useless
[20:11] <rhpot1991> getting used to the hotkeys could help me there
[20:14] <jedijf> wasn't there a button one? then if that works the way i would think it would drop over everything
[20:15] <jedijf> then go away
[20:15]  * jedijf has to read tonight
[20:17] <rhpot1991> jedijf: well I'm talking the left side launcher with all the icons
[20:17] <rhpot1991> I'd want to use that like the bottom gnome pannel
[20:17] <rhpot1991> to be able to quickly switch between running programs
[20:28] <jedijf> lots to try tonight....alt tab maybe
[23:33] <ChinnoDog> hello ctbeiser
[23:34] <ctbeiser> Hello.
[23:58] <Irishmanluke> good by ctbeiser
[23:58] <Irishmanluke> why do people come in and then just leave