[00:11] <mjg59> crimsun_: It can only bypass mmap_min if you're either using selinux or have a vulnerable pulseaudio
[00:12] <mjg59> I have no idea whether Ubuntu's selinux setup results in issues - I suspect it's ok, but know that Debian had the same problem as RH here
[03:42] <dschulz> hi all
[03:43] <dschulz> installed 2.6.31-6 recently
[03:43] <dschulz> had to manually select it
[03:43] <dschulz> i mean the package
[03:44] <dschulz> was not detected as an update for 2.6.31-5, though
[03:45] <dschulz> and yes, got linux-image-generic installed
[03:46] <dschulz> a few minutes ago booted the kernel to see how it goes
[03:47] <dschulz> in 2-3 minutes the system got hung
[03:48] <dschulz> now back to rc5
[05:52] <ameno> hi! ive been using the automated vanilla builds for a while (mainly 2.6.29-02062904, 2.6.30 had a regression) on my jaunty desktop. i now updated to the 2.6.31-rc6 build, but all drivers/media modules are missing...
[05:53] <ameno> noticed because my tv card does no longer "work", because no module is loaded
[06:01] <crimsun> ameno: right, the config is not synced
[06:05] <ameno> synced == taking the ubuntu .config defaults and use them there?
[06:05] <crimsun> right
[06:06] <ameno> will this be fixed (soonish)?
[12:33] <ameno> today's vanilla build still does not use ubuntu's default config
[14:56] <juliank> Hi. I just wanted to know what the plans are with regard to union mounts in karmic. Will it use aufs2 or unionfs2, or will FUSE-based solution be used?
[14:56] <ogra> aufs is in the tree
[14:56] <ogra> it is used since a while again
[14:58] <ogra> aufs2-30 to be precise
[15:02] <juliank> ogra: OK. Just asking because aufs2 requires 18 symbol exports and is much larger than unionfs (which is the reason why Debian still uses aufs1 from January).
[15:25]  * laga waves at ogra
[15:25] <ogra> hey laga
[15:26] <laga> how's it going?
[15:31] <ogra> busy
[19:45] <tormod> hi, I am starting netconsole in the initrd. it works, but the firmware loading for the network card (tg3) hangs for a minute and fails, even though the lib/firmware files are present in the initrd. am I missing something?
[20:10] <TomJaeger> apw, can we talk about http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-karmic.git;a=commit;h=6ef9b7dc073c6cff9bd3e700aa03f52094f5171e ?
[21:46] <tormod> hmm guess I was missing lib/udev/rules.d/50-firmware.rules
[23:28] <dhillon-v10> hi everyone


[15:47] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[15:59] <coolbhavi> hey PaoloRotolo
[16:00] <PaoloRotolo> Hi coolbhavi!
[16:00] <coolbhavi> :-)
[16:00] <PaoloRotolo> Any news about the new ARB submit process?
[16:08] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi, ↑
[16:11] <coolbhavi> PaoloRotolo, we are redirecting apps to a PPA from past say a month or so
[16:11] <coolbhavi> reg the new app upload spec I am afraid that I dont have any updates


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[00:16] <RedAmber> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me?
[00:21] <RedAmber> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me?
[00:28] <blkperl> RedAmber: did you verify the integrity of the iso you downloaded?
[00:37] <RedAmber> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me?
[00:54] <RedAmber2> dHello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me? I CHECKED MD5SUM Is good BOOTING FROM USB
[00:54] <TheLordOfTime> !crosspost
[01:22] <BlueGuy> Hello, I have a problem with trying to install UBUNTU-SERVER-12.04.1-AMD64 on a computer and it hangs at detecting cd rom for something could anyone please help me? I CHECKED MD5SUM Is good
[01:27] <BusyBoxes> BlueGuy: You booting from CD?
[01:27] <BlueGuy> No sir, Usb
[01:28] <BusyBoxes> BlueGuy: You make sure to configure your usb to boot properly?
[01:28] <BlueGuy> Maybe, Is there a set of steps you could please give me?
[01:30] <BusyBoxes> BlueGuy you need to probably create a MBR
[01:31] <BusyBoxes> BlueGuy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-to-make-a-bootable-usb-flash-drive-manually-859334/
[01:32] <BusyBoxes> BlueGuy: unetbootin might be a easier approach.
[01:41] <Guest__> hi
[01:56] <joosen> hi
[01:56] <joosen> everybody
[02:10] <joosen> someone use the ubuntu server, can tell me that what's more stable between centos, freebsd and ubuntu.
[02:10] <joosen> ?
[02:18] <joosen> someone help me.
[02:47] <TheLordOfTime> !patience | joosen
[02:50] <joosen> how can I download the ubuntu server guide pdf file into my notebook, I would like to take it to read anywhere I go?
[03:06] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: no not that I recall (re test failure in main.trigger-compat)
[03:18] <owh> joosen: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[03:18] <owh> joosen: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[03:20] <owh> joosen: apt-get install ubuntu-serverguide
[03:22] <owh> joosen: wget -r https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/
[03:22] <owh> joosen: Take your pick...
[03:27] <joosen> thank you so much.
[03:28] <owh> NP
[03:28] <joosen> How can I implement the domain controller server with ubuntu?
[03:38] <owh> The documentation on the EC2FAQ tells me to ask questions here, rather than in ubuntu-virt. I wanted to know if JEOS was still a going concern for installation on AWS. I feel drowned in the options available via the Ubuntu cloud selector. All I want is a minimal Ubuntu install to boot in a micro instance of AWS where I can install nginx and ssh to provide domain redirection services. Anyone got any pointers through the many and varied contradictory documen
[03:38] <owh> s/domain/url/
[03:39] <utlemming> owh: when you say you feel drowned, can you clarify?
[03:39] <utlemming> owh: if you are wanting to run a t1.micro, you're only option is the EBS image.
[03:40] <utlemming> owh: also, the cloud images that we provide are basic installations with only the basic server bits and ssh installed.
[05:35] <owh> utlemming: Sorry, ran away for lunch. Drowned, as in, so much choice, so little time. I want an absolute minimal install, think JEOS, that I can install nginx onto.
[05:37] <owh> utlemming: So, for my minimal work-load, I'm thinking EBS, i386, precise in Singapore?
[05:38] <utlemming> owh: see http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/current
[05:38] <utlemming> owh: those images are minimial insalls with SSH installed -- just enough to get a bare OS up to do stuff with
[05:38] <sarnold> utlemming: 404
[05:39] <owh> yeah, 404
[05:39] <utlemming> owh, sarnold: sorry, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[05:39] <sarnold> owh: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/
[05:40] <owh> sarnold: I'm looking at exactly that :)
[05:40] <sarnold> why are the ami numbers different for what look to be identical configurations except for the datacenter?
[05:41] <utlemming> sarnold: that is the way that Amazon works. The AMI is unique per region.
[05:41] <sarnold> seems needlessly complicated :)
[05:41] <utlemming> sarnold: for Azure, the "ami" is the same regardless of region.
[05:42] <sarnold> utlemming: azure provides an equivalent to amis? neat :)
[05:43] <utlemming> sarnold: well, I would wait to use Azure for production until GA, but yeah, we are providing Azure Ubuntu Cloud Images
[05:43] <owh> Here: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/azure/
[05:43] <owh> :)
[05:44] <sarnold> very cool :D
[05:44] <utlemming> owh: that is the raw VHD file for people to play with. We have the images listed on the portal of Azure.
[05:44] <utlemming> owh: we will be publishing a new one shortly, fwiw
[05:45] <owh> Tah. I'm staying with AWS ;)
[05:47] <owh> utlemming: What's the difference between the micro and small image, other than ebs vs instance store. Is there additional software installed, or is this an AWS constraint?
[05:48] <utlemming> owh: None -- there is no difference between the images other instance vs ebs. The difference is entirely MS.
[05:49] <owh> MS?
[05:49] <utlemming> owh: sorry...I'm a bit jet lagged...I meant AWS
[05:50] <owh> utlemming: So, could I use an instance store image on a micro instance - that's a mouthfull, hope your jet lagged brain can process that ;)
[05:50] <utlemming> owh: nope. micro instances are constrainted to using EBS.
[05:51] <owh> utlemming: Right, so, it's an AWS constraint, now I understand ... I hope.
[05:51] <utlemming> owh: right
[05:52] <owh> All good, tah.
[05:53] <owh> utlemming: And now I can see the wood for the trees. Much obliged.
[05:53] <utlemming> owh: np, Amazon can be a bit daunting. Another place to get help for specific AWS issues is ##aws (yes two #'s)
[05:54] <owh> utlemming: Cool, I'll stick that on my list of handy to know.
[05:54] <philaneous> hi im having trouble updating ubuntu server 12.10
[05:54] <philaneous> something with the kernel
[05:55] <owh> philaneous: "something" isn't specific enough to actually provide any helpful advice. The advice would be "fix something", which is likely not what you're looking for.
[05:56] <philaneous> owh: hi
[05:56] <philaneous> owh: i do sudo aptitude upgrade
[05:57] <philaneous> owh: http://pastebin.com/TRPExR7D
[05:57] <philaneous> owh: thats exactly where im at
[05:59] <owh> philaneous: Looks line line 6 in that is the cause of your errors. "This kernel does not support a non-PAE CPU."
[06:01] <philaneous> i unnderstand that
[06:01] <philaneous> what do i do about it
[06:01] <philaneous> owh: should i continue using my server like that
[06:02] <owh> philaneous: I don't know what you do and do not understand or know. You came here, showed us a pastebin and said "somethings broken", I pointed at what was broken. I don't have specific advice on what to do about this, but googling with that error I showed you suggests that you can install a -pae kernel. I don't have the specific name handy.
[06:03] <owh> philaneous: It looks like Ubuntu dropped support for non PAE hardware, indicating that perhaps you're running an older CPU. If the machine is in production, I'd be staying with 12.04 LTS.
[06:03] <philaneous> i think i will go back
[06:04] <philaneous> it was working fine until i upgraded
[06:04] <philaneous> and it is an older computer
[06:04] <philaneous> here are the specs
[06:04] <philaneous> philaneous.com
[06:04] <philaneous> check it out
[06:04] <philaneous> i have a php file that shows u
[06:04] <philaneous> owh: i appreciate your help
[06:04] <owh> philaneous: Unfortunately I don't have specific help instructions to impart. Downgrading an upgrade is likely going to be painful.
[06:05] <philaneous> i know
[06:05] <philaneous> owh: im probably going to have to redo it
[06:05] <philaneous> owh: start from scratch
[06:05] <philaneous> owh: again :(
[06:05] <owh> philaneous: You **MAY** be able to use apt-cache search "-pae"
[06:06] <philaneous> so type sudo apt-cache search "-pae"
[06:06] <owh> philaneous: no need for sudo
[06:06] <jmarsden> owh: I think it is somewhat the opposite -- he need a non-PAE kernel, one that does not need the PAE CPU capability.
[06:06] <fleish> hi all, I'm trying to install the cloud/uec images using openstack essex. precise & oneiric fired right up. lucid however is failing to get past initramfs b/c it can't find /dev/xvda to mount as root. can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
[06:06] <philaneous> jmarsden: is right
[06:07] <philaneous> jmarsden: i do need a kernel that does not require PAE CPU capability
[06:07] <owh> jmarsden: So, doesn't the package name for a "normal" kernel exclude pae in the name, and a kernel that does not require pae have pae in the name?
[06:07] <owh> jmarsden: I don't have a 12.10 handy.
[06:08] <philaneous> fuck i shouldnt have upgraded guys
[06:08] <owh> philaneous: Magic happens when you're having fun :)
[06:09] <owh> Hold tight though, you might not have to start again.
[06:09] <philaneous> i think its creating errors too when im in irc
[06:09] <jmarsden> owh: That naming convention was the case before PAE became the default, at least.  I suspect 12.10 kernels (which by default need PAE, I think) do not use the "pae" in their names, because there is no official "non-PAE" version of them.
[06:11] <jmarsden> Assuming the kernel package at http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/linux-image-3.5.0-17-generic needs PAE... it doesn't seem to have PAE in its name...
[06:12] <owh> Yeah, I'm looking too...
[06:12] <philaneous> thanks guys
[06:12] <fleish> nobody?
[06:13] <jmarsden> fleish: It's late in the USA and too early for Western Europe to be awake... you might want to ask again in 2 or 3 hours when the UK-based folks wake up
[06:15] <owh> philaneous: Looks like your SOOL.   You might be able to grab the relevant kernel source packages and hack them a bit and build yourself a new non-PAE kernel build... but you'd need a PAE-capable machine and some knowledge of packaging and building stuff from source to do that.
[06:18] <philaneous> jmarsden: yeah man
[06:19] <philaneous> jmarsden: its a very old laptop
[06:19] <philaneous> stil lrungs
[06:19] <philaneous> still runs*
[06:19] <owh> As a server?
[06:19] <jmarsden> philaneous: Are you saying you have a server that you upgraded... when you had *no* backup of it??  This is #ubuntu-server... so you're running a server, right?
[06:19] <philaneous> jmarsden: yes
[06:19] <philaneous> jmarsden: philaneous.com
[06:20] <philaneous> jmarsden: all specs are in the indec
[06:20] <philaneous> index**
[06:20] <jmarsden> So step #1 is going to be to get yourself a backup of the machine in its current state.  Before you do anything at all.
[06:20] <philaneous> jmarsden: i know
[06:20] <philaneous> jmarsden: im just going to save all my files
[06:20] <philaneous> and reformat it
[06:21] <owh> Uhm, you may be able to install an older kernel.
[06:21] <philaneous> how
[06:21] <owh> apt-get install.
[06:22] <philaneous> hold on
[06:22] <jmarsden> Wait... it is up now... and says it is running 12.10.  So... I dn't understand...
[06:22] <philaneous> jmarsden: dude i cant update
[06:22] <jmarsden> philaneous: Can't update any package at all, or just can't update the kernel?
[06:22] <philaneous> jmarsden: I think owh is correct, in that there is no official non-PAE kernel being made for Quantal 12.10 that I  can see.  You might be able to grab the relevant kernel source packages and hack them a bit and build yourself a new  non-PAE kernel build... but you'd need a PAE-capable machine and some knowledge of packaging and building stuff from  source to do that.
[06:23] <philaneous> ooooppps sorry
[06:23] <philaneous> mistake
[06:23] <philaneous> jmarsden: so im typing sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:24] <owh> I'm looking for the package name for the most recent non pae kernel.
[06:24] <jmarsden> If the machine is up and running, you should be able to update everything except the kernel just fine, and buy yourself some time to research how to build custom non-PAE kernels in a few days or weeks.
[06:24] <philaneous> jmarsden: lol
[06:24] <philaneous> jmarsden: thats going to take some time brother
[06:24] <owh> jmarsden: So, just an apt fix?
[06:25] <jmarsden> owh: The machine is up... running apparently OK.  So either just update whatever non-kernel packages need updating, or pin the kernel to whatever it is now running...
[06:25] <philaneous> jmarsden: http://pastebin.com/28fMPkPt
[06:25] <philaneous> jmarsden: thats after i type sudo aptitude upgrade
[06:26] <owh> So, I'm guessing sudo aptitude -f upgrade would resolve the problem ---- don't type this until this is confirmed!
[06:27] <jmarsden> philaneous: That pastebin output shows that trying to upgrade the kernel fails.  So... don't do that.  pin it to whatever version it now runs, and then update/upgrade anything else you need to update on the machine.
[06:28] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[06:29] <philaneous> jmarsden: is this pretty much to target individual files
[06:29] <jmarsden> owh: I'm not sure about what aptitude -f would do, so I'd be a bit hesitant to try it...
[06:29] <jmarsden> philaneous: Yes, it lets you tell apt "keep this package at this version please"
[06:30] <owh> jmarsden: I would expect it to remove the attempt to upgrade the kernel. But as you say, I'm not sure either...
[06:31] <philaneous> jmarsden: so this is just going to upgrade the other programs i need
[06:32] <jmarsden> philaneous: That would be the idea, yes.
[06:33] <philaneous> jmarsden: but i have to do soe many things
[06:33] <philaneous> and they dont recommend it
[06:33] <philaneous> also
[06:33] <philaneous> libc6 version  match
[06:34] <jmarsden> You are a server admin... so you get to learn about a new aspect of apt and dpkg use now... your server is up and running, and noone is asking you to do anything with libc6.
[06:34] <owh> philaneous: Just so you know, by pinning the kernel, you're just saying, don't touch this kernel package. Your other options are, don't upgrade any packages, re-install, or manually roll-back your server.
[06:34] <jmarsden> The only packages I am suggesting you pin are the kernel packages.
[06:35] <philaneous> ok i will consider that
[06:35] <owh> philaneous: There is nothing inherently bad about pinning. It has implications further down the track.
[06:36] <owh> philaneous: Some of those implications will bite you later, but the hole you dug yourself into is a deep one. We're just attempting to stop you from drowning.
[06:36] <philaneous> owh: how am i drowning
[06:36] <philaneous> owh: its my hard wares fault
[06:37] <jmarsden> philaneous: It has served you well for several years.  It's not really the fault of the CPU that it doesn't have PAE :)
[06:37] <owh> philaneous: You know the line you don't cross, look behind you :) -- seriously, this is basically a hardware incompatibility that has bitten you. Making a backup before you do a dist-upgrade, or any upgrade for that matter is a very good idea.
[06:38] <philaneous> jmarsden: you saw the specs right
[06:38] <philaneous> owh: i know im going to have to roll back
[06:39] <philaneous> owh: with 12.04 it ran pretty good
[06:39] <owh> philaneous: Because rolling back is so painful we're suggesting that pinning the kernel is a less eye poking experience.
[06:39] <jmarsden> philaneous: Yes.  That's a fairly old machine.  So "its my hard wares fault" is not really correct -- the hardware is working to specification.  It is the server admins "fault" for not making and verifying a backup before doing an OS upgrade on a server :)
[06:39] <owh> ROTLF
[06:40] <philaneous> jmarsden: Good point.
[06:40] <owh> I'm laughing so hard, I cannot even type.
[06:40] <owh> ROTFLOL
[06:40] <philaneous> owh: He has a good point.
[06:40] <owh> I'm not disagreeing here :)
[06:40] <philaneous> jmarsden: The backup I can still do though, that won't be a problem.
[06:41] <philaneous> owh: It's not a big deal
[06:41] <philaneous> owh: It could have been worse.
[06:42] <jmarsden> OK, so then the solution is probably (a) make and verify backup (b) install 12.04 (c) restore data and relevant config files from backup (d) make anothe rbackup of new setup (e) set up automated regular backups for the future :)
[06:42] <philaneous> I like 12.04
[06:42] <philaneous> It ran good with it
[06:42] <armaan> o/
[06:42] <armaan> 0/
[06:44] <owh> philaneous: Yup. You could have ssh-ed into a remote server with a full disc, done an upgrade which was in the process of installing something when your internet connection dropped out causing the server to reboot and wait for you to press a key to continue on the console :)
[06:45] <owh> philaneous: That in turn required someone to drive to the datacenter in Alaska where they hit a moose and died.  Hmm.. See what I mean about being an idiot?
[06:58] <VinceBrowning> Ty
[06:59] <ivoks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[07:00] <VinceBrowning> owh and ivoks,Thank you both
[09:14] <vulture> It report the error
[09:14] <vulture> Configurazione di open-iscsi (2.0.871-0ubuntu4)...
[09:14] <vulture> update-rc.d: warning: open-iscsi stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 6)
[09:15] <vulture> who can tell me how to modify the configure to save it
[09:15] <vulture> Thanks
[10:32] <xsl> hello all, people tell me to have multiple ip on eth0 that eth0:0 is deprecated and i should use ip addr add ( but how do i use /etc/network/interfaces then ?)
[11:41] <bubu\a> hi guys - I setup an http proxy on my ubuntu server install but I need to change the proxy - anyone know where this is written to? can't find in /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/environment ?
[11:47] <melmoth>  /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[11:49] <bubu\a> is that the only place it gets written for apt?
[11:49] <bubu\a> it doesnt configure a system wide proxy?
[11:49] <bubu\a> I can see it in apt.conf but wasn't sure if that was the only place it put in the proxy
[11:50] <melmoth> the only "system" wide setting i am aware of is with unity network tool gui thingy.
[11:51] <melmoth> i dont know where it stores stuff, but i would bet for gconf
[11:51] <bubu\a> its a headless server
[11:57] <soren> bubu\a: I don't think it gets set globally, but only for apt. I'm not completely sure, though.
[11:57] <Aison> on ubuntu server 12.10, isc-dhcp-server-ldap is broken
[12:05] <bubu\a> soren, looks like you are correct!
[12:10] <koolhead17> soren: hey there
[13:32] <roddy> What is a good specific source to set up a virtual host using Apache2, PHP, and MySQL on Ubuntu 12.04.  I want to do it from scratch, so that I might have full knowledge of what is going on.
[13:33] <patdk-wk> the manuals of mysql/php/apache2?
[13:33] <patdk-wk> using a specific source/tutorial won't teach you anything about what is going on
[13:35] <roddy> Yeah, I have already started with the Apache2 guide, but I am finding it difficult to get a could overview.  Everything is in bits and pieces and each new bit or piece leads to a lot of other new bits or pieces that require still further query.  As a result, it is difficult to stay focused.
[13:37] <melmoth> roddy, stay focused on apache, untill you manage to have a virutal domain working.
[13:38] <melmoth> then play a bit with php, so that you can render page. Then install mysql, play a bit with command line query.
[13:38] <melmoth> then try to make the same with php. et voila.
[13:39] <roddy> Actually, I already have pretty good knowledge of PHP.  No other recommendations for Apache2?
[13:44] <patdk-wk> the issue with php, or cgi's in general, is security
[13:45] <roddy> Yes, I agree.  The issue is security, but it is also flexibility.  This is the reason I want to know the nuts and bolts and am seeking to avoid any prepared packages.
[13:47] <roddy> Still, having to know every nut and bolt is very painstaking.  And, it is usually not necessary to know everything.
[13:47] <patdk-wk> only true till you hit a problem :)
[13:48] <roddy> Like permissions.
[13:52] <hallyn> utlemming: i'm confused.  is /dev in ubuntu cloud precise images not yet populated then?
[13:52] <patdk-wk> permiessions are defently needed
[13:52] <patdk-wk> depending on what type of hosting your doing
[13:53] <roddy> What I would like to do is set up to virtual hosts on the same machine on the same LAN.  Use one that is completely permission free and the other that is built for the internet WAN.  The first host would be for experimentation and easy entry and exit.  The second would be for WAN testing, but on my LAN.
[13:53] <patdk-wk> the worst thing, is using a cgi program on one website, to edit/modify/read another website
[13:53] <hallyn> stgraber: utlemming: perhaps long term implementing a '-o newinstance' for devtmpfs is worth it in the kernel
[13:53] <patdk-wk> if all the websites are technically managed/owned by the same person, not a huge deal
[13:53] <patdk-wk> but different people, it is a big deal
[13:53] <stgraber> hallyn: +1
[13:55] <roddy> The machine and LAN are owned by me, but I want to be able to pick up the second virtual host and move it anywhere without a lot of complication.
[13:55] <patdk-wk> no, it's who owned the virtualhosts that is the issue, normally
[13:57] <roddy> My problem is that I do not know how or where I will host the content of my second virtual host, and would like to be able to have it hosted anywhere.
[14:06] <zul> ugh i need tomcat
[14:06] <CharlieSu> Hi all.  I'm using the internal-sftp of SSHD to run a chroot'ed SFTP server on a box.  Is there a good way to log this SFTP activity?  Not just logins, but file downloads and uploads too?
[14:07] <soren> zul: I'm so sorry to hear that.
[14:09] <roddy> Do you know Java?
[14:51] <blazemore> What's the minimum amount of X-stuff I need to install for "ssh -X host firefox" to work?
[14:52] <melmoth> an x server and a ssh client ?
[14:53] <TheLordOfTime> blazemore, on your end you need an x server and an SSH client
[14:53] <blazemore> so just xserver-xorg is all I need?
[14:53] <TheLordOfTime> you won't need  more on the remote, if it already has firefox it has GUI stuff
[14:53] <blazemore> No it doesn't
[14:53] <blazemore> It's a vanilla Ubuntu server install
[14:53] <melmoth> you will probably also like a xterm of some sort to be able to run the ssh command in.
[14:53] <blazemore> No, I want to run X applications remotely, but I don't want a full DE
[14:54] <melmoth> without one, you ll just have windows you wont be able to ..move, or close.
[14:54] <melmoth> so it ll work, but ill not be cozy
[14:55] <TheLordOfTime> what melmoth said
[14:55] <blazemore> It's fine, I'll deal with that
[14:55] <blazemore> I just need to run remote GUI apps ocassionally over SSH with X forwarding
[14:55] <blazemore> so I just need the package xserver-xorg?
[14:56] <melmoth> and a xterm (i m not sure what would happen if you put the ssh comand in your .Xclient or .xinitrc file)
[15:00] <blazemore> Oh ffs
[15:00] <blazemore> Is there a way I can take irssi and put it in a new screen session?
[15:01] <blazemore> I forgot to run screen before I ran irssi
[15:02] <TheLordOfTime> blazemore, exit irssi, run screen, then run irssi?
[15:04] <blazemore> yeah I guess so
[15:12] <noob2> is there a bug in ubuntu server 12.04 which prevents it from binding ldaps for authentication?  i copied my config exactly from a working redhat server and ubuntu won't bind properly
[15:14] <noob2> anyone have a working ldaps configuration they'd be willing to share?
[15:17] <bubu\a> smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/clientshares /mnt/hd2/clientshares/ -o user=samba,pass=t0r3x,gid=ubuntu,uid=ubuntu - anyone know why this mounts the share to /mnt/hd2/clientshares but as root and not ubuntu...?
[15:42] <_KaszpiR_> hm I get wrid server freezes
[15:42] <_KaszpiR_> cannot diagnose it :/
[15:45] <RoyK> wrid?
[15:45] <_KaszpiR_> weird
[15:45] <_KaszpiR_> the machine stopped respoding to anything except ping
[15:45] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: nothing in the logs?
[15:46] <_KaszpiR_> tried to ssh and it showed proer login prompt, entered login and it just froze
[15:46] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: configuring serial or network console may help
[15:46] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: what you're describing usually means something I/O related is fscked up
[15:46] <_KaszpiR_> but total freeze?
[15:46] <_KaszpiR_> I guess zfsonlinux is buggy
[15:47] <RoyK> usually, if you try to login, and you get login prompt, but it hangs after typing password, I/O is probably hanging
[15:47] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: use a serial or network console
[15:47] <_KaszpiR_> hard reboot
[15:47] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: that way you'll get a message if the kernel OOPSes
[15:47] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: that obviously helps :P
[15:48] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: but if I/O is hanging, it probably won't tell you much from the logs (nowhere to log...)
[15:48] <_KaszpiR_> well, I've installed X on it,
[15:48] <RoyK> X hides kernel messages
[15:48] <_KaszpiR_> and normally kernel panic should show something
[15:48] <RoyK> a panic, yes, but not an OOPS
[15:48] <RoyK> which may be what you're getting
[15:48] <_KaszpiR_> oh
[15:49] <RoyK> an OOPS is a "panic light"
[15:49] <RoyK> not bad enough to panic, but quite often serious enough to hang I/O
[15:50] <_KaszpiR_> eah
[15:50]  * RoyK would use something based on illumos or freebsd to get ZFS
[15:50] <RoyK> ZFS is stable on openindiana, smartos, omnios, nexenta and freebsd
[15:51] <RoyK> choose the OI or Fbsd if you want X
[15:51] <RoyK> probably fbsd, since OI isn't very frequently updated anymore
[15:58] <_KaszpiR_> nothing in the logs
[16:18] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: no, there usually aren't anything in the logs if the I/O system hangs
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> yeah, buffered et
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> etc
[16:18] <RoyK> _KaszpiR_: that's why you should use a network console, or perhaps a serial console if you're old-fashioned
[16:18] <_KaszpiR_> the only option would be setting up remote syslog
[16:18] <RoyK> no, not because of buffers, because it just can't write to hung I/O
[16:19] <RoyK> or network console
[16:19] <_KaszpiR_> will try netconsole
[16:19] <RoyK> which is probably the safest
[16:19]  * RoyK likes serial consoles
[16:19] <RoyK> but netconsole will undoubably work
[16:21] <RoyK> still, I would recommend against using zfsonlinux for anything but testing
[16:21] <_KaszpiR_> well, i keep crap on it
[16:21] <_KaszpiR_> ;D
[16:22] <RoyK> sounds like testing ;)
[17:43] <fleish> hi all, I'm trying to install the cloud/uec images using openstack essex. precise & oneiric fired right up. lucid however is failing to get past initramfs b/c it can't find /dev/xvda to mount as root. can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
[18:36] <roddy> Is that Menschenfleisch or some other?
[18:37] <xsl> why should i need on a webserver x11 libs?
[18:37] <xsl> and xauth
[18:37] <xsl> is there a tutorial on a cleanup install of a ubuntu server?
[18:37] <sarnold> xsl: were they brought in for ssh -X forwarding?
[18:38] <xsl> wel i tought of X forwarding but its a rarely used "feature"
[18:38] <xsl> and i was trying to purge the install the best i could
[18:40] <xsl> its like the crda package .. and my server does not use wireless stuff..
[18:40] <xsl> there are some dependencies and packages that i just dont get it
[20:12] <fleish> hi all, I'm trying to install the cloud/uec images using openstack essex. precise & oneiric fired right up. lucid however is failing to get past initramfs b/c it can't find /dev/xvda to mount as root. can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
[22:18] <Ryan_Lane> when will updated openstack packages be released?
[22:19] <Ryan_Lane> it's lagging really, really far behind the openstack point release for essex
[22:19] <Ryan_Lane> and some of the fixes in that were security ones
[22:19] <RedAmber> Whilst installing ubuntuserver 12.04.1 64bit, off of usb using xboot, the install works fine until detecting cd-rom devices comes up and detects them and then freezes on puple screen
[22:27] <d3ngar> Hello there
[22:28] <d3ngar> I want to install and configure a mailserver on my aaws
[22:28] <d3ngar> I want to install and configure a mailserver on my aws
[22:28] <d3ngar> I'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[22:28] <d3ngar> But I'm stuck on the postfixadmin section
[22:28] <d3ngar> Do I need to use postfixadmin?
[22:30] <RedAmber> Whilst installing ubuntuserver 12.04.1 64bit, off of usb using xboot, the install works fine until detecting cd-rom devices comes up and detects them and then freezes on puple screen
[22:35] <Ryan_Lane> shit, is it in a ppa and not in updates?
[22:36] <Ryan_Lane> I see newer releases from ubuntu in launchpad, but it isn't in the repo
[22:38] <Ryan_Lane> god I hate launchpad so, so much. I can't find out where the hell these packages are coming from
[22:41] <Ryan_Lane> ugh. seems our mirror is broken :(
[23:31] <undersun> someone managed to enter my VPS, placed a file http://myunprotectedsite.com/osc.htm and send a lot of emails
[23:31] <undersun> this site got marked by google as a spam sending site/server
[23:32] <undersun> got a report from http://www.spamcop.net/
[23:32] <undersun> what's the best way to approach this?
[23:35] <d3ngar> Hi there, I'm unable to connect to my mail server.
[23:35] <d3ngar> I just created it and have been following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[23:36] <holstein> undersun: this being, getting unmarked as spam?
[23:39] <d3ngar> http://pastebin.com/U9yhRmUD
[23:39] <d3ngar> This is the error message I receive
[23:49] <dannf> smoser: is the public key used to sign the images on cloud-images.ubuntu.com available in a package somewhere?


[06:47] <mapps> morning
[07:10] <MooDoo> morning mapps
[07:17] <mapps> sup mate
[07:21] <MooDoo> tired, but glad it's friday
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> Friday, Friday?
[08:03] <diplo> Morning all
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:04]  * MartijnVdS purges a few old kernels
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> about, say, 4GB of them
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[08:07] <bashrc> morning
[08:08] <nigelb> Hurrah, it's a friday!
[08:08] <bashrc> \o/
[08:11] <popey> pip pip
[08:11] <nigelb> And I'm nearly done with work.
[08:11]  * nigelb runs.
[08:13] <mapps> :)
[08:14] <mapps> work nights nigelb ?
[08:14] <mapps> raining again ugh
[08:14] <nigelb> Nope, in a timezone far far away
[08:14] <mapps> ah
[08:14] <mapps> ;]
[08:33] <popey> Anyone know of an easy way to select all text in a terminator window?
[08:33] <popey> rather than just click-drag the whole length?
[08:34] <popey> nvm, 5 fingers did it
[08:34] <popey> mouse click, shift, home
[09:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: morning all
[09:42] <bigcalm> davmor2: still not used to you appearing before 11am
[09:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Doodle Day! :-D
[09:43] <bigcalm> Did you say Doodle Day? http://doodle.com/h7qqfhfk5gcp86ts :)
[10:13] <bigcalm> Happy updated kernel day
[10:13] <bigcalm> Because upgrading your kernel on a Friday is the best time to do it :S
[10:14] <foobarry> on read-only friday?
[10:16] <bigcalm> Living on the edge (in an LTS world)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> can't wait for the release :)
[10:18] <foobarry> of tardy tar?
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[10:18] <foobarry> its gonna gonna tardy
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> been running the beta on a few test vms, and it's great
[10:19] <bigcalm> Been running 14.04 on the laptop and it works just fine :)
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> that too :)
[10:19] <bigcalm> Still a problem with the battery icon no appearing until the battery is low or you resume from sleep
[10:19] <bigcalm> Otherwise good
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you can configure that
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: or maybe it's your BIOS?
[10:20] <bigcalm> I think it's a bug. czajkowski often complains about it as well
[10:20] <bigcalm> And others
[10:22] <DJones> bigcalm: I'll check mine when the Windows 8.1 update finally finishes downloading and installing
[10:23] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:36] <popey> yo
[10:36] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:42] <dwatkins> allo allo
[10:44] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[10:44]  * dwatkins waves
[10:44] <brobostigon> o/
[10:44] <shauno> o/
[10:44] <dwatkins> somewhat incredibly, we have sunshine here in Edinburgh
[10:44] <shauno> here too!
[10:44] <dwatkins> \o
[10:44] <brobostigon> blue skies here also.
[10:44] <shauno> which can only mean one thing.  the heat-death of the universe
[10:44] <dwatkins> indeed,it must be ragnarok
[10:45] <dwatkins> sorry, Ragnarök
[10:46] <dwatkins> ...which means "final destiny of the gods", and is about as close to "heat death of the universe" as 13th century Norse mythology can get, I'd say.
[10:46] <shauno> I've been reading about those creepy coldwar-era stations that just broadcast nonsense.  One of the more prominent russian ones shut off overnight.  and no-one's quite sure if it's a good thing or not
[10:47] <dwatkins> numbers stations, shauno?
[10:47] <shauno> kinda, yeah  (this one doesn't actually do numbers, but same idea; UVB-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/1zh4i5/for_those_familiar_with_the_russian_numbers/
[10:49] <shauno> that's the one
[10:49] <shauno> as of last night it's just gone silent.  which is kinda creepy for something that's been there for 30+ years
[10:52] <shauno> anyway.  that's my "of course I'm working?" for the morning
[10:56] <foobarry> i know a song about that
[10:56] <foobarry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uMifNKYtug
[10:57] <foobarry> thats a german numbers station
[11:00] <bigcalm> I've heard other tracks use similar audio. It's quite odd
[11:01] <bigcalm> Nice track
[11:06] <popey> that reminds me, I started a list of youtube channels worth watching last night
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> that's what the Subscribe button is for, isn't it? ;)
[11:06] <popey> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/YouTubers
[11:06] <popey> well, ones from other people
[11:06] <popey> i.e. getting suggestions from something other than youtube itself
[11:07] <foobarry> stereolab are in my top 3 all time favourite bands
[11:07] <popey> \o/ more appearing magically
[11:11] <foobarry> just seen an email about "coding for girls" worksho
[11:11] <bashrc> which reminds me.  I should probably try installing etherpad again
[11:13] <bashrc> I think more girls should be encouraged to code, and that coding should be regarded in school as a basic literacy skill
[11:13] <popey> The code club I run is 50/50 boys/girls
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> it's a way of thinking that not enough people can do atm :(
[11:14] <foobarry> i prefer the idea of making things appealing to all, yeah
[11:14] <bashrc> I think learning to code is probably nothing like as hard as learning French or Chinese
[11:14] <foobarry> although marketing can be done in targeted way
[11:16] <foobarry> python..C...french...perl..chinese?
[11:16] <foobarry> i'd prob put french at the easiest end actually
[11:17] <bigcalm> popey: do you know of any papaphobes?
[11:17] <bashrc> compared to french C is incredibly simple and unambiguous
[11:18] <foobarry> sans blague
[11:18] <foobarry> i learned C without any goto's
[11:18] <shauno> I learnt french without any grammar :/
[11:19] <popey> bigcalm: pass
[11:19] <foobarry> grammar is the best bit
[12:07] <Hornet> http://ramblingrant.co.uk/2014/03/06/virgin-media-superhub-7-second-security-flaw/
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> nice
[12:10] <shauno> default passwords are bad, mmkay?
[12:11] <Hornet> well clearly
[12:17] <davmor2> Hornet: I found the superhub was crap at doing both routing and network connection, so swithed it to modem only mode it has no password :)
[12:20] <shauno> mine isn't a superhub, but I did the same.  it's still reachable though
[12:22] <shauno> (it seems like it shouldn't be, but my router is quite happy to push 192.168 out the wan port, which seems wrong)
[12:23] <foobarry> gok wan?
[12:29] <davmor2> shauno: mine works correctly
[12:30] <shauno> I'm still not sure if this is correct or not, to be honest.  in modem mode it answers to <IP_ADDRESS>.  since I use 10.x for my lan. 192.168.x gets routed so I can still reach the router
[12:31] <shauno> but I'm not sure it should route 192.168 out the front door, that's bogon territory
[12:31] <foobarry> AlanBell: which crm do you use?
[12:32] <foobarry> seem to remember you mentioning an OSS one
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> foobarry: vtiger or openERP
[12:34] <foobarry> ta
[12:46] <daftykin1> shauno: i remember the old virgin media cable modems would run a web admin page on <IP_ADDRESS> or similar, regardless of your actual network
[12:47] <popey> they still do, on http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[12:48] <shauno> yeah, that's what UPC's little pseudo-cisco box is doing too.  it'll always answer <IP_ADDRESS>, no matter what address you've assigned (or not) to it
[12:55] <daftykin1> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3354307628.png
[12:55] <daftykin1> mates mate that i mentioned got 330/30 FTTP :/
[12:56] <diplo> fttp? Know of fttc and ftth ?
[12:56] <diplo> And git!
[12:56] <MartijnVdS> diplo: P = permises
[12:56] <daftykin1> to the premises
[12:57] <diplo> ah, so I guess that is business related instead of h for homeowners
[12:57] <diplo> cheers
[12:57] <daftykin1> nope!
[12:57] <diplo> Oh :)
[12:57] <daftykin1> he's in a new housing development apparently
[12:58] <diplo> Oh right, I thought that was known as FTTH ( Fibre to the home )
[12:58] <diplo> Probably outdated by me
[12:58] <diplo> And still git!
[12:58] <diplo> We have FTTC around here, all around is enabled but....
[12:58] <diplo> None of the business areas have been done :(
[12:58] <daftykin1> are you in a little one-house black spot?
[12:59] <diplo> Houses are done, they're not doing businesses any time in the next few years
[12:59] <diplo> Asked the BT Openreach guy and he said he believes it is because there are say 10 businesses in a place where there could be 40-50 homes, cost ratio
[13:00] <daftykin1> ah-har
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> and businesses don't use more bandwidth anyway..
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[13:01] <daftykin1> hah just noticed my nicj
[13:01] <daftykin1> nick too
[13:01] <diplo> We're debating EFM here just so we can have a better connection to our Headoffice
[13:01] <diplo> Just quite expensive
[13:02] <davmor2> popey: no in modem mode they don't
[13:02] <davmor2> not even
[13:02] <daftykin1> diplo: what's that?
[13:02] <popey> yup, they do
[13:02] <popey> mine is in modem mode and that url above was copy/pasted from my browser
[13:02] <diplo> Ethernet to the premises basically, we have it at ehadoffice, get 5/5 connection
[13:03] <daftykin1> nice
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> diplo: 5/5 mbit over ethernet?
[13:03] <diplo> Ethernet first Mile it stands for
[13:03] <daftykin1> ah
[13:03] <diplo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_in_the_first_mile
[13:03] <davmor2> popey: hmm let me try then
[13:03] <daftykin1> err, does my nick show as daftykin1?
[13:03] <diplo> yeah
[13:03] <diplo> MartijnVdS: ^
[13:03] <diplo> daftykin1: Yup
[13:03] <popey> http://imgur.com/VC0wjNl
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> daftykin1: it does
[13:03] <daftykin1> weird, client won't change it
[13:03] <daftykins> ah
[13:04] <daftykins> nevermind 8)
[13:04] <davmor2> popey: oh yeah how bizarre never worked before, I think I might of been on older software though
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> diplo: that's slower than DSL, which goes up to 40 or 80 here I think
[13:04] <popey> its always worked for me
[13:05] <diplo> MartijnVdS: You can get higher speeds - Just costs  more! But its not a shared line either
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> diplo: hmm.. just like my fibre (and I'm on the 7th floor)
[13:05] <diplo> Our office was having issues with speeds going up and down and didn't want to pay for a leased line
[13:05] <davmor2> popey: to get out of modem only mode before I used to have to sit with a pin in the rest button for 30seconds as that port was never open
[13:05] <diplo> No Fibre for our offices in nottingham
[13:06] <davmor2> popey: I had to do some reboots so I'm assuming that pulled in the newer software
[13:06] <davmor2> popey: ah wait no this is the replacement superhub so it's newer anyway
[13:08] <DJones> Grr, stupid windows updates, removed/stopped grub loading, just boots straight into windows now
[13:08] <daftykins> :(
[13:08] <daftykins> didn't know it did that
[13:08] <daftykins> it's not even patch Tuesday yet!
[13:08] <DJones> This was Win 8 to Win 8.1 upgrade
[13:09] <daftykins> oh that's pretty major
[13:09] <daftykins> i'd have just installed from 8.1 media to begin
[13:09] <DJones> Hopefully its just a case of booting with live usb, install & run boot-repair
[13:13] <daftykins> should be :)
[13:15] <DJones> ok, confued, if I use the power button, I boot straight into windows, if I use the recovery button to get to a bios boot menu, I can boot the installed version of Ubuntu, am I better installing boot repair on the installed released rather than using a live usb?
[13:15] <DJones> s/confued/confused/
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is it uefi?
[13:17] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Yes, with secure boot turned off
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> DJones: running grub-install from inside the installed system might help
[13:17] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Thats what I was thinking
[13:21] <DJones> hmmh, no boot-repair available to install
[13:21] <DJones> Ah, its a ppa
[13:24] <DJones> But no trusty package
[13:25] <daftykins> DJones: but you just run grub-install as MartijnVdS said no?
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> that's what I would do
[13:25] <DJones> Good spot, I missed that
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> there's also efibootmgr
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> you can use that to manage stuffs
[13:28] <DJones> grub-install fixed it, thanks MartijnVdS daftykins
[13:28] <daftykins> this one's all on him :D
[13:28] <daftykins> lol that was funny
[13:28] <daftykins> i accidentally logged into a clients google apps with user as username instead of user@domain
[13:28] <daftykins> it started telling me there was suspicious activity on the account and so it had been disabled
[13:28] <daftykins> go back and log in properly... sorted
[13:37] <diddledan> daftykins: how did it log you in if you used the wrong username?
[13:37] <daftykins> this is what i wonder
[13:37] <daftykins> that's how they used to be done, you'd visit your companies' personal login and it'd work
[13:37] <daftykins> now they've made it one login to rule them all
[13:45] <diddledan> what happened to chloe on the new series of 24 to make her change her style so radically? http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/03/06/24-EW-Exclusive-02.jpg
[13:46] <shauno> drowned kitten is a style now?
[13:47] <ali1234> they are still making that show?
[13:47] <diddledan> they stopped
[13:47] <diddledan> just started up again
[13:50] <daftykins> lmao
[13:50] <daftykins> was about to type out a theory before i realised how inappropriate it was
[13:51] <daftykins> she conveys a bit of an aspie or some such pretty well in the early series
[13:51] <daftykins> i've only seem about half of them though
[13:51] <diddledan> aspie?
[13:52] <daftykins> someone suffering from aspergers or a similar affliction
[13:52] <diddledan> according to wikipedia the new series is going to be a limited run of 12eps
[13:52] <diddledan> aah
[13:52] <daftykins> D: so it should be called 24/2
[13:52] <diddledan> it's got stephen fry in it!?!
[13:53] <daftykins> oh dear.
[13:54] <diddledan> as the british PM no-less
[13:54] <popey> hah
[13:54] <daftykins> hehehe
[13:54] <popey> saw him mention that on twitter
[13:55] <foobarry> never seen 24 before
[13:56] <daftykins> :O
[13:56] <popey> i used to binge watch that
[13:56] <foobarry> a bit like breaking bad, i can't give up 5x24 hrs of my life watching stuff
[13:56] <foobarry> or however many series
[13:56] <daftykins> it's best not to think of it in time terms :D
[13:57] <daftykins> fair enough if you'd be using that time far more wisely though
[13:57] <AlanBell>  /join #ubuntu-design
[13:57] <AlanBell> fail
[13:57] <foobarry> sleeping
[13:57] <ali1234> i have seen one episode of 24
[13:58] <foobarry> the last one?
[13:58] <foobarry> that would save a lot of time
[13:58] <ali1234> i don't know which episode it was
[13:58] <shauno> I don't consider TV a huge waste of time because I multitask.  if I just sat on my knees and gazed into it like a kid, then sure
[13:58] <ali1234> jack bauer spent the whoel episode hiding in a bush, talking to people on his mobile phone
[13:58] <ali1234> and then every fifteen minutes, BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP
[13:59] <ali1234> that's all i can remember about it
[13:59] <diddledan> ali1234: that's real-time tv for you :-p
[13:59] <foobarry> was he peeing in the bush?
[13:59] <daftykins> seems somewhat an exaggeration ;)
[13:59] <diddledan> WEEEEE
[13:59] <daftykins> foobarry: Jack Bauer never pees
[13:59] <foobarry> does he spend half an hour per series on a tricky dump?
[14:00] <diddledan> an hourly tricky dump would be exhausting
[14:00] <daftykins> guys :P
[14:00] <foobarry> per series
[14:00] <diddledan> aha
[14:00] <diddledan> I misread
[14:00] <foobarry> : PermGen space error on tomcat?
[14:01] <diddledan> oO_
[14:01] <foobarry> or spend entire series 6 suking up and shivering in bed with flu
[14:01] <diddledan> I don't think tv people ever get flu?
[14:02] <foobarry> or lock their cars
[14:04] <diddledan> and yet the thieves always have to use a slimjim on any car they come across - weird
[14:04] <daftykins> hrmm got a VPS going 19MB into swap
[14:04] <daftykins> time for more RAM? :)
[14:04] <diddledan> daftykins: how big is the VPS?
[14:05] <foobarry> getting persistent ssh attempts from rackspace user...nuaghty
[14:05] <foobarry> or just hacked
[14:05] <daftykins> diddledan: 1GB RAM, hosts one wordpress site and two static sites atm
[14:05] <diddledan> 1GB should be plenty for a small site
[14:05] <daftykins> but it's got a lot of automagic management jazz, symbiosis from bigv (Bytemark)
[14:05] <diddledan> eww
[14:05] <daftykins> yeah =/
[14:06] <daftykins> i've got two wordpress sites and two static ones on it really, but not many visitors to each
[14:06] <diddledan> I just signedf up for the free-tier of redhat's openshit service
[14:06] <diddledan> f**
[14:07] <diddledan> I have just**
[14:07] <diddledan> gonna put a node app on there
[14:07] <diddledan> the node app doesn't exist just yet, I need to invent it
[14:07] <daftykins> diddledan: sounds like you've judged it already :(
[14:08] <diddledan> lol
[14:09] <daftykins> but yeah i probably want to keep all usage out of swap right? :>
[14:10] <shauno> not always.  if you have something in memory that never gets touched, it may as well get shelved
[14:10] <daftykins> in fairness it's staying static if i keep loading up the sites that are on it
[14:10] <diddledan> there's no packaged ubuntu/canonical equivalent anyplace I can see. ubuntu has juju which 1) is too big for me, and 2) doesn't autoscale
[14:10] <shauno> (eg, termkit, getty on a vps)
[14:11] <daftykins> hmm it's managing it pretty well, usage dropped 240MB when i started loading the sites it hosts, heh
[14:59] <ball> Does Ubuntu use IPP to find printers?
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> IPP isn't a discovery protocol I think
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> but it uses IPP to print
[15:00] <ball> Hmm... ok
[15:03] <directhex> IPP isn't for discovery. most printers support multiple discovery protocols though, advertising an IPP presence
[15:03] <directhex> e.g. mdns, wins
[15:04] <ball> Which does Ubuntu use?
[15:36] <diddledan> avahi/mdns is the standard ball
[15:36] <shauno> I was just reading the cups docs, and it says they use snmp broadcast.  I really hope that's outdated / a bare-faced lie / I read it completely wrong
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they do several things
[15:37] <diddledan> shauno: at least they didn't mistype it as smtp as I've seen others do
[15:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: thanks for posting your wristband photo on facebook :)
[15:39] <bigcalm> davmor2: good that it cheered you up
[15:41] <daftykins> diddledan: lol, what's the email address for your printer?
[15:41] <daftykins> ;D
[15:43] <shauno> broadcast smtp sounds terrifying yet interesting
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Network_Management_Protocol#Autodiscovery
[15:44] <daftykins> XD
[15:44] <diddledan> even better, multicast smtp or maybe anycast smtp
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: SNMP, not SMTP
[15:44] <ali1234> broadcast smpte would be quite reasonable though
[15:44] <ali1234> if a little unusual for cups
[15:45] <shauno> MartijnVdS: oh I know, referencing diddledan's "at least they didn't mistype .."
[15:46] <bigcalm> Something to cheer your day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZu097wb8wU
[15:51] <ball> Hmm...
[16:04] <ali1234> bigcalm: you might like youngblood brass band then
[16:07] <diddledan> rumours are making it into the movie blogosphere that lana and andy wachowski are working on a second trilogy of matrixes
[16:07] <diddledan> matrices?
[16:08] <ball> I should probably watch the first ones again.
[16:09] <diddledan> bigcalm: either my speakers are failing, or that video is turd or the musicians only know one note each
[16:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: 2cellos
[16:15] <bigcalm> diddledan: not everybody likes the same kind of music
[16:15] <ali1234> i do
[16:16] <diddledan> bigcalm: I think it lost something in the translation to cheapo-phone video
[16:17] <diddledan> as in telephone, not saxamaphone
[16:17] <ali1234> brass always sounds harsh
[16:17] <ali1234> unless they're doing hymns or something
[16:35] <mapps> yo
[18:11] <maps|wrk> hello
[18:12] <daftykins> o/
[18:12] <maps|wrk> busy busy working away
[18:12] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:12] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:12] <daftykins> start of your day once again?
[18:12] <maps|wrk> anyone know of any good guides for setting up an email server on my home box? just to learn
[18:12] <maps|wrk> yes sir
[18:12] <maps|wrk> :[
[18:13] <daftykins> wowzer
[18:13] <maps|wrk> but 11 days off after tonight..hoorah
[18:13] <maps|wrk> good riddance work
[18:13] <daftykins> i'd always thought home email would be a pain to maintain so i've shyed away from it
[18:13] <daftykins> a friend really wanted me to set it up on his home server but i refused XD
[18:14] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:14] <maps|wrk> hm need something to watch on 4od
[18:14] <daftykins> this is solely down to my inexperience though
[18:14] <maps|wrk> watched all of first dates (very funny) ..no new ep of babylon yet hmpf
[18:37] <ali1234> maps|wrk: brass eye
[18:37] <maps|wrk> ah might check it after
[18:38] <maps|wrk> got a 3 hr break ..i would watrch it now but thing is sometimes 4od/iplayer crash my stupid work pc
[18:38] <maps|wrk> then i have to speak to service desk or someone and well pretend work stuff crashed:)
[18:52] <bashrc> yey for work stuff
[18:53] <maps|wrk> ja
[18:53] <maps|wrk> all the stupid vb written apps
[18:53] <maps|wrk> O_o
[18:59] <bashrc> well I wrote vb apps once, but that was over a decade ago
[19:10] <maps|wrk> thats ok then
[19:10] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:10] <maps|wrk> not anymore :)
[19:14] <maps|wrk> casino after work or just buy some vodka from tescos..hmm no work on a saturday for once..gonna get drunk
[19:14] <daftykins> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/36d25b6c793ab180701ef1e494bb33a5.html
[19:14] <daftykins> *patiently hopes there won't be anymore drops*
[19:15] <maps|wrk> find out why?
[19:15] <daftykins> nope, but had a call logged with the ISP for a while now
[19:15] <daftykins> saw my service disconnected (but not line sync, just authentication) overnight so i got a new IP
[19:16] <maps|wrk> hmm
[19:16] <maps|wrk> think id better edit my grub boot menu
[19:16] <maps|wrk> if my box restarts it doesnt boot back up..it sits there on the options bit where you can chose ubuntu / memtest etc
[19:17] <daftykins> sounds like what happens when there was an issue
[19:17] <daftykins> ubuntu defaults to hitting that menu and not picking one as default i think
[19:17] <maps|wrk> yea
[19:17] <maps|wrk> i need to set a default
[19:17] <maps|wrk> i assume you can ? ive done it before with diff dists
[19:17] <daftykins> i think there's a different way of just disabling that 'safety mechanism'
[19:18] <maps|wrk> yea i wouldnt mind removing the menu all together tbh
[19:18] <maps|wrk> maybe i should wait till im in front of the machine:P
[19:18] <daftykins> it's always there whether it's displayed or not :D
[19:18] <maps|wrk> if i do it now and reboot..well might not be coming back
[19:18] <daftykins> probably a wise idea ;)
[19:20] <maps|wrk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-VHBIELZEY - they play the same songs every single year, i am the rsurrection every single time ive been
[19:22] <foobarry> been sent upstairs. wifey has girl friends round
[19:23] <daftykins> d'aww
[19:23] <foobarry> baby keeps stirring due to loud voices
[19:24] <daftykins> i bet they're making it sound like a chicken coop down there?
[19:26] <foobarry> they are teachers so they all have colds
[19:27] <foobarry> so i'm installing redminecrm
[20:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyoo0tmlr60x6go/IMG_20140217_165849.jpg
[20:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uvux8l2yoqgvx59/IMG_20140217_170045.jpg
[20:24] <daftykins> gotta love the 'round town mystery staircases
[20:25] <diddledan> fun
[20:26] <maps|wrk>  SSL connection error
[20:26] <maps|wrk> hm
[20:26] <maps|wrk> Application Blocked  Access to the application you were trying to use has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error.


[02:18] <Zetanor> Howdy
[02:18] <Zetanor> So this is my first time running Ubuntu and the computer locks if I start X without a network connection
[02:19] <Zetanor> I'm assuming that it's not a common issue?
[02:21] <stlsaint> Zetanor: start x?? meaning you are booting into command line or.....??
[02:23] <Zetanor> Well when I boot with any kind of WM, if my ethernet cable isn't plugged in, the computer completely locks up
[02:24] <stlsaint> Zetanor: no that is not common, do you have some startup application that requires interenet or something?
[02:25] <Zetanor> It's a clean install. I've tried both Ubuntu and XUbuntu
[02:25] <stlsaint> Zetanor: what are the system specs?
[02:29] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Toshiba laptop with an E-350 cpu, Atheros AR8152 ethernet, Realtek RTL8188CE wlan card, an unidentified "HD Vision" graphics card
[02:30] <stlsaint> Zetanor: does wireless work
[02:32] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Haven't tried, give me a second
[02:52] <Zetanor> Well it works but it still crashes when I disconnect the ethernet cable, no matter what
[02:53] <stlsaint> Zetanor: so when you reboot the computer with the ethernet cable in it works but as soon as you remove the cable the system freezes?
[02:54] <Zetanor> It takes a short while. The disconnection notice appears and the freeze happens a few seconds later
[02:54] <stlsaint> that sounds more like faulty hardware
[02:54] <Zetanor> Could it be driver related?
[02:54] <Zetanor> The computer works perfectly well on Windows and Arch
[02:55] <stlsaint> Zetanor: possibly driver or even kernel, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:56] <Zetanor> I've tried 32 and 64 bit Ubuntu, version 11.04
[02:57] <stlsaint> Zetanor: i would suggest giving 10.04 a shot as it is the latest lts, if it still doesnt work than the option to play around with drivers is there but could make things worse
[02:59] <Zetanor> stlsaint: What kind of worse are we talking about?
[03:00] <stlsaint> Zetanor: nothing fatal to the system, just the nic performance could be worse in the installed OS
[03:02] <Zetanor> stlsaint: Well I'm not familiar with Linux drivers at all so I'll do as you suggested and try the latest LTS version
[03:04] <Zetanor> Oh and thanks for your time!
[03:04] <stlsaint> Zetanor: no prob
[05:21] <philipballew> if i have mutiple computers on my network can i be logged into irc in all of them?
[05:22] <holstein> philipballew: nah
[05:23] <holstein> thats got nothing to do with the network though
[05:23] <holstein> you can if you have multiple nicks
[05:23] <holstein> i do that with screen
[05:23] <holstein> irssi in scree
[05:23] <holstein> n
[05:23] <philipballew> well i have philipballew and philipballew_ but people dont want that in the chanel probably
[05:24] <holstein> i can ssh into my server from multiple locations and connect
[05:25] <holstein> the terminal size can be a little odd, but do-able
[05:26] <philipballew> i set up ssh a few weeks ago. the shiz-niz it has become i must say holstein
[05:27] <philipballew> it is the cats meow maybe is a batter thing to say...
[05:27] <holstein> yeah, i started a few commandline only things as learning projects... irssi in screen was one of those.
[05:27] <philipballew> last cli learning project i did was aircrack-ng
[05:28] <philipballew> heard of it?
[05:28] <holstein> i have
[05:28] <holstein> we had a presentation at our LUG... a really good one on cracking WEP
[05:28] <holstein> a white hat kind of thing
[05:29] <philipballew> wep is so innsecure
[05:29] <philipballew> its crazy how easy i could find my password
[05:29] <holstein> i should change my WPA pass more often
[05:30] <philipballew> i need to buy a new router. here its currently the att modem+ router combo
[05:31] <holstein> im trying *not* to buy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162033
[05:31] <holstein> i dont need it, but what a great deal
[05:32] <philipballew> i have a few routers with ddwrt but need to get a modem so i can hook them up
[05:32] <philipballew> it looks really powerful
[05:33] <philipballew> i need to get a pouter with a powerful antenna sometime. what kind do you have now?
[05:34] <holstein> an early n linksys
[05:34] <philipballew> mine is still  g
[05:34] <philipballew> haha
[05:34] <holstein> eh, i only use the G anyways
[05:34] <philipballew> why is that?
[05:35] <holstein> its a wrt 150 or 160 n
[05:35] <holstein> i forget...
[05:35] <holstein> philipballew: i dont have any N adapters anywhere
[05:35] <philipballew> i bought a alfa a few months back
[05:35] <holstein> the n helps with the range i find though
[05:36] <philipballew> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS051NH-802-11a-Wireless-9dBi/dp/B002BFO490 this is my new toy
[05:37] <holstein> interesting
[05:37] <holstein> does the job?
[05:40] <philipballew> yeah, it piicks up wifi for a few hundret feet
[05:40] <philipballew> *hundred
[05:41] <philipballew> then bought this http://www.buy.com/prod/trendnet-12dbi-outdoor-omni-directional-antenna-12-dbi-1-x-n-type/q/loc/101/207552271.html
[05:41] <philipballew> about 6 feet high. it was on sale and used, the one i bought
[05:41] <philipballew> i put it in my car, haha
[05:42] <holstein> lol... stay out of my neighborhood ;)
[05:43] <philipballew> haha, gives me something to do when i live in san diego
[07:04] <steve_____> hello
[07:04] <steve_____> can anyone help guide me in the right direction?
[07:04] <philipballew> steve_____,  go for it
[07:05] <philipballew> i can try
[07:05] <steve_____> I want to change a setting on my desktop - lets say the kickoff application launcher - then I want to make a copy that is distributable  amongst friends and have the setting remain how it was in the new .iso
[07:06] <philipballew> so what you really wanna do is make a iso with your own few custom settings?
[07:07] <steve_____> right! but I don't want any of the previous user settings to remain
[07:07] <steve_____> I am using remastersys
[07:07] <steve_____> I just don't know where to look
[07:08] <steve_____> I feel like there is a script somewhere that has the defaults in it
[07:08] <steve_____> and I just need to change the location of a png in that script
[07:08] <steve_____> but I don't know where
[07:08] <philipballew> Remastersys should do it. what setting are you trying to change?
[07:09] <steve_____> lets say the background and the kick start application icon
[07:09] <steve_____> if I change them normally as a user
[07:09] <steve_____> using the gui's
[07:09] <steve_____> and then choose the "make distributable amongst friends option"     it reverts to defaults
[07:09] <steve_____> the problem is that if I make a full back up, it will include all of my user settings
[07:09] <steve_____> and personal infomration
[07:09] <philipballew> Unit193, you see what this guy is saying? any ideas from your end?
[07:10] <philipballew> can you make a seperete install for this purpose?
[07:10] <steve_____> philipballew: is that at me?
[07:11] <steve_____> philipballew: I know it is possible, i just need to figure out where that default script is (if it exists)
[07:11] <philipballew> no, i was asking someone else for his opinion
[07:12] <steve_____> philipballew: my bad
[07:12] <philipballew> remasterys probably has an irc channel as well
[07:12] <philipballew> lets try here first though
[07:12] <Unit193> philipballew: Eh? How did I get into this? I was just about to go to sleep.
[07:12] <steve_____> philipballew:  lol
[07:12] <philipballew> then go to sleep Unit193 :)
[07:12]  * philipballew needs to find a better sleep scheadule
[07:13] <Unit193> philipballew: Almost sounds like he wants a custom ISO
[07:13] <philipballew> thats what i told him, i just figured you might have more knowlege on this then me.
[07:14] <philipballew> i was gonna give him i link on how to make one
[07:14] <steve_____> hm... I want one using kde :)
[07:15] <philipballew> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22145/how-to-create-your-own-customized-ubuntu-live-cd/ use this maybe, but for ubuntu
[07:15] <Unit193> That would be Kubuntu (Or build your own)
[07:15] <philipballew> or kubuntu if you want kde
[07:15] <philipballew> www.kubuntu.org
[07:15] <steve_____> kubuntu is actually causing all sorts of problems
[07:15] <steve_____> lol
[07:16] <Omsniffiscent> Having major sound issues both in and out of wine. Mostly on VLC and my videogames through wine. I have no idea where to even start.
[07:16] <philipballew> the wine irc channel Omsniffiscent maybe
[07:16] <philipballew> we can here maybe to
[07:16] <philipballew> steve_____, try 10.04
[07:17] <steve_____> that is what I am trying right now :)
[07:17] <steve_____> I just dled it
[07:17] <steve_____> then deleted gnome
[07:17] <Omsniffiscent> Well as I was saying it's not just wine.
[07:17] <steve_____> and installed kde
[07:17] <philipballew> i would recomend installing kubuntu fresh if it was me
[07:17] <philipballew> Omsniffiscent, what all is it?
[07:18] <Omsniffiscent> system sounds seem to be ok but VLC is just awful. Movie Player's sound is fine, though.
[07:18] <philipballew> bad install of vlc?
[07:19] <Unit193> steve_____: Take a look here too (Not the easy way) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:32] <Omsniffiscent> Well it did work at one time.
[07:32] <philipballew> Omsniffiscent, maybe an update
[07:32] <Omsniffiscent> You think I have two separate sound issues? one with VLC and one with wine?
[07:32] <philipballew> makes more sence to me.
[11:44] <kristian-work> hi all
[11:44] <kristian-work> holstein: you use weird methods now and then... ever tried installing anything on Compact Flash?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> hey, does anyone have the new macbook pro 8,2 model
[13:39] <holstein> shadeslayer: i saw one.... didnt get to play with it though
[13:40] <holstein> kristian-work: i have installed only to flash media like USB and SD cards, should be the same idea though
[13:40] <holstein> i can get you talking to someone who has a CF card in a netbook if you need
[13:40] <holstein> CF drive**
[13:49] <kristian-work> holstein: I have about a zillion i/o errors
[13:49] <kristian-work> this is in the adaptor
[13:50] <kristian-work> (as to "make it into" a 2.5 IDE hdd)
[13:54] <holstein> kristian-work: those things go bad
[13:54] <kristian-work> holstein: my plan so far is to test it in a Win box
[13:54] <kristian-work> they
[13:54] <kristian-work> 're new
[13:55] <holstein> if you have several brand new ones acting the same.... otherwise, even a new one could be bad
[13:55] <holstein> i had a blueray drive that i was sure was either bad, or not supported in linux
[13:56] <holstein> turned out to be something with the SATA controller card on my test/repair machine where i was trying it out
[13:59] <kristian-work> holstein: I have two boxen and several adapters... *nothing* works
[14:00] <kristian-work> but, I was being a bit rough with them, due to a misunderstanding of what I should do... I may have wrecked them
[14:40] <shadeslayer> holstein: well ... i still have a couple of issues with mine, like the CD ROM isn't detected in kubuntu
[14:40] <shadeslayer> except for wireless and the CD ROM everything is working
[14:41] <holstein> shadeslayer: i have an older one... maybe 1,2?
[14:41] <holstein> white one, not the macbook pro
[14:41] <holstein> i just gave up on it... it would run decent for about 4 or 5 days, then it would hard lock
[14:41] <holstein> that was ubuntu 10.04
[14:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> i'm on oneiric tho
[14:43] <holstein> i tried something live... maybe 10.10, and that seemed worse as far as hardware support
[14:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, apparently you need to burn a CD as well as a USB drive, and then boot the CD, the cd doesn't boot and falls back to the USB which boots
[14:44] <shadeslayer> funky stuff
[14:45] <holstein> eh... it was a free machine for me, so i bought snow leopard
[14:46] <holstein> it wont come up for me that often
[15:01] <kristian-work> gotta go, see ya
[15:28] <Mike_lb> Hi, I installed Lubuntu and selected the option to encrypt /home. As I understand, my /home is now encrypted with ecryptfs and I read that it encrypts the files but you could still read the filenames. So I booted from a live cd and tried to look at my /home but it's empty, why is it?
[15:31] <nlsthzn> Mike_lb: hey... I never encrypt so I may be wrong but I am assuming due to the fact that the live disc hasn't decrypted the partition is can't really read it (but I may be wrong)
[15:34] <Mike_lb> I'm not sure, but I think ecryptfs doesn't encrypt the partition, just each file
[15:34] <Mike_lb> so theorically you could boot from another distro and see those files encrypted
[15:35] <nlsthzn> ... guess we have to wait for someone more knowledgable ... :)
[15:36] <Sidewinder1> Mike_lb, I've never used encryption but perhaps the "fs" in encryptfs stands for "file system" which might mean the entire filesystem?
[15:36] <Sidewinder1> Just a WAG, on my part. :-)
[15:37] <Mike_lb> I will have to investigate more
[15:38] <Sidewinder1> Mike_lb, You may wish to ask in #ubuntu.
[15:38] <Mike_lb> thanks
[15:39] <Sidewinder1> NP
[18:52] <tester> I need help setting up iptables can you help ?
[18:53] <nlsthzn> bobweaver: the closest I get to that is using ufw :p
[19:59] <bobweaver> thanks nlsthzn
[19:59] <nlsthzn> bobweaver: sorry I wasn't of more help :)
[20:06] <bobweaver> !iptables
[20:06] <ubot2> Ubuntu, like any other Linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'ufw' command - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW | An alternative to ufw is the 'iptables' command - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo | GUI frontends such as Gufw (GNOME) and Guarddog (KDE Lucid and Maverick) also exist.
[20:06] <holstein> bobweaver: what are you trying to accomplish?
[20:06] <holstein> maybe that'll help someone have an idea
[20:14] <stlsaint> oooooo iptables :D
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> looks like I have to be a Win user in the near future :(
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> can I run the thing virtually?
[20:41] <kristian-aalborg> not really install it... in a "garden" of sorts?
[20:42] <nlsthzn> kristian-aalborg: virtualbox
[20:42] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: what are you referring to?
[20:42] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/gnome.png
[20:43] <kristian-aalborg> nlsthzn, yes, that's what I was thinking
[20:43]  * nlsthzn loves Virtualbox
[20:43] <kristian-aalborg> a more proper phrasing would be "will it work, or is it a toy/ developer thing"?
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> what I will need is MS Office stuff... mainly .docs and perhaps the odd spreadsheet
[20:44] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: yea just run M$ in a vm
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> and it should really, really, work... not "almost" or "practically" like Google Docs or OOffice
[20:44] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, I hope you're right
[20:45] <nlsthzn> when you run a OS in virtualbox it is really running :)
[20:45] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: i have never had a problem with it
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> cool
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, using it for the kind of stuff I'm talking about
[20:45] <nlsthzn> the OS thinks it is on a phusical machine
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> perhaps I could have both XP and Win 7
[20:45] <nlsthzn> *physical
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> be some kind of OS Messiah
[20:47] <nlsthzn> with my distro hopping I have had a lot of different OS's on my one system at the same time :) (not all ruunning at once, my poor notebook can't handle that)
[20:49] <kristian-aalborg> this is fairly easy to do?
[20:51] <nlsthzn> Very very easy
[20:51] <nlsthzn> kristian-aalborg: everything is wizard driven
[20:51] <bioterror> with virtualbox you're not using real hardware
[20:51] <bioterror> just some generic stuff
[20:51] <nlsthzn> you choose what OS, how many ram to dedicate, how big the virtual harddrive should be... mount the ISO and boot the image... install and use
[20:52] <bioterror> it's not really the same as real computers
[20:54] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: for instance as to what bioterror was saying, you wont have a true video driver in virtualbox
[20:54] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: IE: You wont be running fedra with gnome=shell ;)
[20:57] <kristian-aalborg> that's okay... I only need it for the Office stuff
[20:57] <kristian-aalborg> and Skype, but that's a secret ;)
[20:58] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: you need windows for skype?
[20:58] <nlsthzn> yes you can run gnome shell
[20:58] <nlsthzn> Virtualbox 4.1.x works very well with Gnome-shell and AFAIK also Unity now... but I haven't tried unity...
[20:58] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, I was joking (more or less)
[20:59] <kristian-aalborg> I run Fluxbox
[20:59] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: oh sorry yea i was referring to the parallels beta testing when i tried fedora
[20:59] <nlsthzn> np :)
[20:59] <nlsthzn> don't expext to play games on Windows if you use VBox...
[20:59] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i have not tried vbox yet (though i am downloading it now cause my parallels install expired :| )
[20:59] <nlsthzn> :)
[21:00] <nlsthzn> VBox has become better and better with every release...
[21:00] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i see
[21:00] <nlsthzn> I always install it... even if I don't plan on using it :)
[21:00] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: i usually do but then i got the parallels beta download, last time i went with vbox was back in the 3.x series lol
[21:02] <nlsthzn> I have found that most Linux distro's now don't even need the Guest addition add-ons to be installed for full screen etc. to work, and mouse integration means you don't need to capture the mouse or keyboard anymore... it is very cool...
[21:04] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: very nice, looks like im back on track with package manager development :D
[21:05] <stlsaint> W00t VBOX!
[21:05] <nlsthzn> It is nice, you like :)
[21:05] <stlsaint> still downloading....20 mins left
[21:09] <nlsthzn> stlsaint: you are getting the latest version from the Virtualbox site correct?
[21:10] <stlsaint> nlsthzn: yes
[21:10] <nlsthzn> ah cool... just making sure... the Ubuntu PPA is always to far behind :)
[21:10] <stlsaint> i never go with vbox from repo
[21:11] <stlsaint> yea especially since im running 10.04 right now
[21:11] <nlsthzn> ouch... yes, that would have been a bad idea :)
[21:33] <kristian-aalborg> stlsaint, Lucid ftw ;)
[21:34] <stlsaint> kristian-aalborg: yes yes yes
[21:37]  * nlsthzn strokes his natty install... then again in a few hours he is replacing him with a Geeko again :p
[23:04] <earthling_> Anyone use mozplugger?
[23:05] <earthling_> wonder if its lighter and more stable than Adobe acrobat plugin
[23:10] <philipballew> my desktop will not shut off. has anyone ever seen this?
[23:14] <nlsthzn> philipballew: maybe it has decided you haven't done enough work for the day
[23:14] <nlsthzn> philipballew: in terminal type sudo init 0
[23:14] <nlsthzn> that should shut it down... or restart it... can't remember :p
[23:14] <philipballew> whats that gonna do?
[23:15]  * philipballew needs to remember terminal comands better
[23:15]  * nlsthzn also
[23:15] <philipballew> the few times it does shut down, it hangs on the good buy xubuntu screen
[23:15] <nlsthzn> philipballew: so this has happened before
[23:16] <philipballew> yes. its been happening since i installed 10.10 a few days ago
[23:16] <philipballew> 11.04 was freezing on me
[23:16] <nlsthzn> hmm... pretty sure there will be a log that can be checked ... curse me for not having the knowledge required :p
[23:17] <earthling_> #$^%! you don't you have the knowledge required
[23:17] <earthling_> :P
[23:18] <nlsthzn> earthling_: hehe, thanks (I think)
[23:18] <philipballew> nlsthzn, im gonna type sudo reboot and see what i get
[23:18] <nlsthzn> sure... I just always find it looks so much more leet going the init route :D
[23:18] <CLF1> need a hand...my samba4 is broken and I can't repair it any ideas how I can work this out
[23:20] <ray_> How do I cd into a directory that has a space or spaces in it's name?
[23:22] <r4y> Why do I have to login to view the Ubuntu forums?, That stinks, O well.
[23:23] <nlsthzn> r4y: not sure... have you tried putting the directory in " " quotation marks?
[23:23] <earthling_> I guess they want to reduce spam
[23:24] <r4y> I will try that out, but did find this link:
[23:24] <earthling_> search is quicker with login, you don't have to answer questions about corn or ears heh
[23:24] <r4y> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397977
[23:25] <philipballew> sudo reboot works but clicking reboot does not
[23:25] <philipballew> ... odd
[23:25] <r4y> Thank you that double quotes worked. I see then single quotes is different, as single quotes opens instead
[23:26] <r4y> into the GUI that is
[23:26] <r4y> TY bye.
[23:26] <nlsthzn> cool
[23:27] <nlsthzn> philipballew: maybe give it a day or two just using the CLI to reboot/shutdown... just to reproduce the error...
[23:28] <philipballew> thats what was odd to me. no error was show. i could just look in my xorg logs


[00:38] <cjwatson> wgrant: Is it worth me pushing up branches for Branch webhooks?  https://posthere.io/0e1d-4225-836c looks vaguely reasonable as a PoC
[00:38] <cjwatson> Very easy on top of your work
[00:39] <wgrant> cjwatson: Branches are trivial, indeed.
[00:39] <cjwatson> Thought I'd see if I could get it to go
[00:39] <wgrant> What is it, like 10 lines of diff?
[00:39] <wgrant> Plus UI
[00:39] <wgrant> Oh, schema.
[00:40] <wgrant> Thinking about what the payload should look like, hmmm./
[00:40] <cjwatson>  11 files changed, 54 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
[00:40] <cjwatson> without tests
[00:40] <cjwatson> (ok, a bit of that is local webhook proxy config)
[00:40] <wgrant> Not bad.
[00:41] <wgrant> cjwatson: git:push:0.1 has old and new as dicts, currently containing just the sha1 key.
[00:41] <cjwatson> Right, they could perhaps reasonably become dicts with just "revision_id" keys.
[00:41] <wgrant> We should probably retain consistency, which means changing one of them.
[00:41] <wgrant> I'm not fussed which.
[00:42] <cjwatson> I prefer dicts over prefixes.
[00:42] <wgrant> Great, I marginally prefer them too.
[00:43] <cjwatson> There's an extra level of dict in the git case, but that makes sense given it's a repository hook
[00:43] <wgrant> Right, exactly.
[00:46] <cjwatson> https://posthere.io/0e1d-4225-836c updated
[00:47] <wgrant> Fancy.
[00:47] <wgrant> Do we have revnos easily accessible at that point?
[00:47] <wgrant> I suspect not.
[00:48] <cjwatson> We might, we do have both the db_branch and bzr_branch
[00:48] <cjwatson> I'm doing this from a TipChanged event
[00:48] <wgrant> Eh, let's skip it for now.
[00:48] <wgrant> db_branch isn't entirely trustworthy.
[00:48] <wgrant> And bzr_branch is wrong by that point.
[00:49] <cjwatson> bzr_branch had better not be wrong, it's used to get the new revision ID
[00:49] <wgrant> (well, we could get the info out of bzr_branch in most cases, but not always and it'd always be slow)
[00:49] <wgrant> Get the new revision ID, but not the revno.
[00:49] <wgrant> s/revno/old revno/
[00:49] <cjwatson> We get the old revision ID from db_branch
[00:49] <wgrant> Ah true.
[00:50] <wgrant> Hm
[00:50] <cjwatson> TipChanged.old_tip_revision_id
[00:50] <wgrant> So we could probably include revno reasonably.
[00:50] <cjwatson> It's a Revision query I think?
[00:50] <wgrant> Yep, the number is BranchRevision.sequence
[00:50] <cjwatson> Or is it Branch.revision_count
[00:50] <wgrant> Noooo
[00:50] <wgrant> BranchRevision.sequence is what you want, but you need to be prepared for it to either not be there or not be set.
[00:51] <cjwatson> Maybe that's more trouble than it's worth, given that a reliable webhook should not use the revno
[00:51] <cjwatson> (If there's a race with a push --overwrite, the revno might mean something different by the time the other end runs)
[00:52] <wgrant> True.
[00:52] <wgrant> Easy to add later if we become convinced it's reasonable.
[00:52] <cjwatson> Versioning the format was a good idea.
[00:53] <wgrant> Well, this wouldn't even require a version bump.
[00:53] <wgrant> Yay for dicts.
[00:54] <cjwatson> The "Delivery management web UI" Asana subtask should be done now, right?
[00:54] <wgrant> Er yeah.
[00:55] <cjwatson> Will push this stuff tomorrow.  I could probably attack the remaining subtasks there now that I've gone to the small effort of getting it all working locally ...
[00:55] <cjwatson> Dunno how much you have pending
[00:56] <wgrant> I just use an unrestricted squid in an LXC container for local testing.
[00:56] <cjwatson> I deployed the spec but with a tweak to allow <IP_ADDRESS>/8
[00:56] <cjwatson> Which should perhaps go into devel/deploy
[00:57] <wgrant> Indeed.
[00:57] <wgrant> I meant to go back and make the delivery UI not suck now the infra is there, but have been distracted so far.
[00:58] <cjwatson> Adding header/body details?
[00:58] <cjwatson> Error display is a bit basic too.
[00:59] <wgrant> And making the status clearer without expansion, and adding the status of the latest delivery to each row on +webhooks.
[00:59] <wgrant> And adding refresh capabilities, possibly via dropping the AJAX batchnav stuff and use the delivery API collection directly.
[01:00]  * cjwatson nods
[01:00] <cjwatson> Right, time to crash.  Just like buildbot.
[01:01] <wgrant> Heh
[01:01] <wgrant> Night
[11:40] <cjwatson> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/testfix-import-warnings/+merge/272228 if you have a sec
[11:41] <cjwatson> silly me ran bin/test -t archivesubscription rather than -t archive.\*subscription :-P
[11:46] <cjwatson> Actually I'll just self-review that, it's pretty obvious and it's in fact fixing a double-query that was previously present in the view (as shown by the decremented query count)
[11:55] <wgrant> It is indeed quite obvious.
[21:01] <blr> morning
[23:29] <wgrant> Morning.


[10:03] <enyc_> note more to self: ebarretto had discussinos last week and more involved in sponsoring updates to thunderbird and browsing packages lately
[10:03] <enyc_> hopefully 102.5. etc will be quicker now =)
[10:18]  * enyc_ meows
[14:55] <ahasenack> georgiag: hi, can I upload apparmor with the patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1993572 to lunar? It's committed upstream
[14:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-security- Launchpad bug 1993572 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "samba profile: missing rule for mkdir /var/cache/samba/printing" [Undecided, New]
[14:55] <ahasenack> or are you guys just about to update apparmor in lunar perhaps with a new upstream snapshot?
[14:55] <ahasenack> my interest is because this is a long tail of a bug that started in jammy (samba apparmor in jammy)
[15:10] <georgiag> ahasenack: we don't have anyone working on an update for lunar at the moment, so I believe you can do it
[19:06] <jjohansen> ahasenack: yes please do, atm I don't we will do a lunar update until January unless something critical comes up
[19:11] <ahasenack> ok
[21:38] <mainek00n> Hi, I use OVAL data for CVE units.
[21:38] <mainek00n> The OVAL timestamp provided at https://security-metadata.canonical.com/oval/com.ubuntu.jammy.cve.oval.xml.bz shows 2022-11-04T23:38:43.
[21:38] <mainek00n> Have you forgotten or failed to update the OVAL for CVE units?
[21:38] <mainek00n> OVAL for USN unit (https://security-metadata.canonical.com/oval/com.ubuntu.jammy.usn.oval.xml.bz2) seems to have been updated.