[15:00] <oxymoron> mrub: Exactly, A LOT of unused space and interfaces doesnt work good. The buttons isnt placed good, which make everything take longer time than it have to take :P
[15:01] <sumbloke> yeah touch screen, virtual keyboard, gaze control...then i can call up a terminal and type my bash scripts...
[15:01] <oxymoron> mrub: I would feel like I am in Star Trek xD
[15:01] <mrub> oxymoron: you can still use shortcuts :d
[15:01] <oxymoron> mrub: Yes, but I prefer my mouse pointer xD I have a lot of shortcuts to think of anyway :P
[15:02]  * oxymoron could be one of the guys out there in the future that will develop this kind of new technology :P
[15:02] <marc-andre> hiho
[15:03] <marc-andre> where can i change the plasma theme ?
[15:03] <marc-andre> i find everything but that
[15:03] <sumbloke> most of the technology has been developed hasn't it?
[15:03] <mrub> oxymoron: hm what else can i suggest? maybe an external monitor to your iphone?
[15:03] <oxymoron> marc-andre: system settings -> appearance
[15:03]  * sumbloke lol@mrub
[15:04] <oxymoron> mrub: Hahaha lol :D Why on earth would I use an external monitor on a smartphone xD And then iPhone and Steve Jobs wouldnt though that anyway, youve had to buy a accesoary from Apple to special connect the monitor like everything else they do :D
[15:04] <marc-andre> oxymoron: under the tab session, now i found it, thx
[15:04] <sumbloke> the tech is there, jonny lee chung just has to work out how to do it for cheap
[15:04] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Youre welcome ;)
[15:04] <mrub> oxymoron: definitly true *g
[15:05] <oxymoron> marc-andre: And yes under the tabs, I didnt say it because I wanted you to discover that ;)
[15:05] <mrub> damn i always think i'm in console and can hardly find the autocompletion when i use irc
[15:05] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i was i don't know how many times in that section, but didn't look under session, somehow its the wrong "name"
[15:06] <oxymoron> mrub: Apple always want to do their own way and will continue to do that and thats why they usually always is first with complete concepts, even if the subconcepts of their products have been out there for decades already :D
[15:06] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Yeah, I think its unlogical myself but all things is usually in there in appearance ;)
[15:07] <mrub> marc-andre: you can type theme in the system setting's search bar which will highlight the results
[15:07] <marc-andre> ok
[15:07] <marc-andre> now i just need to find a good theme, the one i had isn't good
[15:07] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Hopefully system settings will be re-arranged in the future and got built in kde-look integration to install things in ONE place and not on different place as it is today and with different GUIs as well :D
[15:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Which one, Oxygen, Air or anything else?
[15:08] <oxymoron> marc-andre: I dont remember but I think Oxyair or Glassified are good ones :P
[15:08] <sumbloke> the building alarm is whining wonder what's happened
[15:08] <marc-andre> oxymoron: i downloaded Arezzo2, but fast switched back to Air
[15:09] <oxymoron> marc-andre: Urkh, yeah that one is ugly :P
[15:09] <oxymoron> marc-andre: There is someone that combines Oxygen and Air I think that looks really good :)
[15:09] <marc-andre> oxymoron: which one ?
[15:10] <oxymoron> marc-andre: If I could remember, something like Oxyair :P
[15:10] <mrub> marc-andre: you can also use different parts of the themes under desktop theme details on the second tab
[15:10] <marc-andre> mrub: yeah, i know, just never tried to change an entire theme before...
[15:10] <marc-andre> in KDE4 at least
[15:11] <oxymoron> marc-andre: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Air-oxygen?content=118674
[15:12] <marc-andre> will have a look at it
[15:12] <saintly> can someoen give me the link to download the 10.04 iso?
[15:12]  * oxymoron wonders why not anyone out there have been designing a good looking KDM theme :P (I have been looking on whole kde-look for a good one, Oxylights almost does it, but the base for username and password isnt good at all)
[15:14] <Landgraf> I need set vp-connect via Miniport WAN (PPTP). What do i do?
[15:14] <Landgraf> via Network manager
[15:14]  * saintly thinks oxymoron thinks too much.
[15:16] <saintly> i have a Dell netboook, would you suggest Kubuntu Netbook or just straight lucid?
[15:17] <Papierkorb> i suggest normal kde wihout this netbook remix crap
[15:17] <Papierkorb> but you can change it later anyway (somewhere ;) )
[15:18] <James147> saintly: You can try both and see which you prefure, I like the netbook edition on my eee
[15:18] <saintly> alright
[15:19] <benjamin_> I did a clean install of 10.04 last night... how do I configure samba shares?
[15:19] <James147> saintly: all you have to do is install one and then install either kubuntu-desktop (for the full version) or kubuntu-netbook
[15:19]  * Papierkorb is interested in that question too
[15:19] <James147> benjamin_: you need to frist install "samba"
[15:19] <Quintasan> oxymoron: there is a theme for KSplash and KDM to match plymouth screen http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Lucid?content=123354  http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Lucid+Simple?content=123353
[15:19] <James147> !samba | benjamin_
[15:20] <mojo_risin> hi. i did a dist upgrade to 10.04 yesterday and it broke my system; lots of packages with errors :(
[15:20] <mojo_risin> known issue?
[15:20] <Papierkorb> yes: upgrade sucks
[15:21] <Papierkorb> solution: clean install from cd/usb/whatever ;(
[15:21] <mojo_risin> Papierkorb: it's described in kubuntu as a safe way to upgrade...
[15:21] <Papierkorb> ;)
[15:21] <kroson> Papierkorb: for an upgrade you should wait 2 or 3 weeks after the release
[15:21] <kroson> and then do the network upgrade
[15:21] <kroson> its safer
[15:21] <James147> mojo_risin: upgrads ave always had a few problems with them :9 a fresh install is the ebst option. Your system should be fixable but a freshinstall might be easie
[15:21] <kroson> mojo_risin: but it isnt, or may not be for you
[15:21] <mojo_risin> James147: fortunatelly i had a backup....
[15:21] <kroson> for some it is, for others not
[15:21] <saintly> alright i have my iso file for 10-04 Netbook. What now? use USB Installer on it?
[15:21] <Landgraf> I need set vp-connect via Miniport WAN (PPTP). What do i do?
[15:21] <Papierkorb> i don't care, i've installed lucid via cd afterwards, i've broke my gcc toolchain before anyway, so i got rid of some things :-p
[15:21] <James147> mojo_risin: always a good thing to have :)
[15:22] <kroson> James147: sure
[15:22] <mojo_risin> things used to be more stable some years back
[15:22] <Papierkorb> saintly: yes
[15:22] <James147> saintly: if your already running [k]ubuntu then you can use usb-creator[-kde]  to install the iso to a usb
[15:23] <James147> saintly: or unetbootin can also do it from and distro (or windows)
[15:23] <kroson> mojo_risin: i agree, since jaunty some buggy releases have came, at least at the release date
[15:23] <James147> any distro ^^
[15:23] <kroson> not for me, for me all of them  work well
[15:23] <saintly> Startup disk creator, will that work?
[15:23] <kroson> but for some ...
[15:23] <James147> saintly: that is usb-creator :)
[15:24] <saintly> alright what do i do here. lol ive only done this on a windows PC
[15:24] <James147> saintly: its fairly stright forward, seletct the iso you want to use in the first half, then plug in your usb stick and select it (and format it) on the second half
[15:25] <saintly> alright
[15:25] <oxymoron> How do I enable ompiz?
[15:26] <James147> saintly: i did knotice usb-creator-kde had some problems with formating the usb though when i last tryed (although it had worked previously so mihgt just ahve been a config problem) but i found usb-creator  (the gnome version) worked
[15:26] <kroson> oxymoron: it is enabled with the nvidia proprietary driver in ubuntu
[15:26] <benjamin_> samba is now installed. Attempting to share files with dolphin still yields no response. SWAT looks extremely complicated. Can't I just right-click and share like I used to be able to?
[15:26] <kroson> as for kde, i dont know, maybe you have to install it separately
[15:26] <saintly> umm
[15:26] <kroson> have you tried kwin?
[15:26] <saintly> James147: it said somethin about a corrput file
[15:27] <James147> benjamin_: the GUI for samba dosnt work very well atm, I think a new one is under development but untill then you ahve to edit the config files
[15:27] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah... for a stable release it seems it wasn't even tested
[15:27] <James147> saintly: when you did what?
[15:27] <kroson> mojo_risin: it seems that lucid was more stable like 1 month ago than it is on the release
[15:27] <saintly> tried to open the iso
[15:28] <mojo_risin> kroson: i see... i would like to have the feedback when it will be safe to network upgrade...
[15:28] <James147> saintly: :S might have a corrput iso then, try running an md5sum on it
[15:28] <James147> !md5 | saintly
[15:28] <kroson> mojo_risin: search on the forums for some feedback of someone with the same configuration as you
[15:29] <kroson> you may upgrade and be OK or just screw your OS
[15:29] <FabienD> hi all
[15:29] <kroson> there is no recommended date, although the usual is 2 or 3 weeks after the release
[15:30] <Barridus> it seems the "use KDE fonts in GTK apps" option or whatever isn't working (at least for me).  wouldn't be a big deal except the fact i'm on a netbook so having firefox's menu and toolbar fonts being too big is somewhat of an annoyance.  anyone know what's up?
[15:30] <kroson> but even after this you may screw your OS, thats why network upgrade is not very secure
[15:30] <mojo_risin> kroson: my configuration is nothing so special; standard kubuntu with some packages installed :)
[15:30] <saintly> James147: alright im trying to set it into the ISO box and when i double click it it doesnt go to the box lol
[15:30] <kroson> mojo_risin: but as i told, the upgrade may work well for you, the only way to see would be testing :S, obviously
[15:31] <kroson> for those who have a separate /home partition this is not a problem
[15:31] <kroson> of course
[15:31] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah but it's not reasonable to reinstall all your system... upgrades were a thing i liked with linux dists
[15:31] <kroson> mojo_risin: there were always problems with upgrades on linux, only rolling releases have less trouble with it
[15:32] <kroson> that has to do with the way apt handles packages and its dependencies
[15:32] <kroson> packages conflicts lead to these situations...
[15:32] <James147> saintly: not sure what you mean
[15:32] <saintly> James147: thinkin it wants me to wipe it and make it a startup disk first
[15:33] <kroson> mojo_risin: its up to you to decide what you want, keep with karmic, upgrade, clean install lucid.
[15:33] <mojo_risin> kroson: yeah, let's wait and see :)
[15:33] <mojo_risin> I will try one more time, in two weeks
[15:33] <kroson> mojo_risin: have you tried upgrading from karmic to lucid already?
[15:33] <mojo_risin> if it doesn't work i'll steek with this version
[15:34] <saintly> grr this is strange
[15:34] <James147> saintly: you will need to wipe the usb stick (although usb-creator sould be able to do that with the "format" button) but you should be able to select the iso anyway
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: my current version is 09.10
[15:34] <kroson> mojo_risin: sure
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: i tried to upgrade to 10.04
[15:34] <kroson> and
[15:34] <James147> saintly: try installing the gnome version "usb-creator" (or "use-creator-gtk")
[15:34] <James147> saintly: i have found it works slightly better
[15:34] <mojo_risin> kroson: and it ruined my system :)
[15:34] <kroson> what did you do next?
[15:35] <saintly> james147: how, sudo apt-get install usb creator?
[15:35] <mojo_risin> kroson: i used my backup
[15:35] <mojo_risin> and reverted to 09.10
[15:35] <kroson> mojo_risin: ok
[15:36] <kroson> give a try again in some time, maybe you are lucky then
[15:36] <James147> saintly: "sudo apt-get install usb-creator" should do it, if not add -gtk to the end (carnt remember when they changed the naming)
[15:36] <kroson> sooner or later you will have to upgrade, to lucid, maverick or the follower..
[15:36] <benjamin_> I installed samba, successfully edited the configuration file, but when I go to do a restart I get this: "/etc/init.d/samba: command not found"
[15:36] <kroson> and if you arent able to upgrade to lucid, you will have to do a clean install by then
[15:37] <James147> benjamin_: try "sudo service samba restart"
[15:37] <mojo_risin> kroson: i will, thanks
[15:37] <kroson> np
[15:37] <benjamin_> "samba: unrecognized service"
[15:38] <ljl> it's "smbd"
[15:38]  * James147 installs samba to test
[15:38] <benjamin_> the page you guys sent me to with the bot says it's still 'samba' :P
[15:38] <saintly> james147: Setting up usb-creator (0.2.22) ...Complete
[15:38] <saintly> :D
[15:39] <James147> benjamin_: yeah looks like smbd, dam them chaning the names of things :S
[15:39] <vadi01> guys this nvidia fix...its in updates testing right?
[15:39] <benjamin_> James147: at least we figured it out
[15:39] <vadi01> its not been commited yet?
[15:39] <benjamin_> ljl: thanks for the assist
[15:39] <ljl> np
[15:40] <kroson> vadi01: i think yes
[15:40] <vadi01> darn the plymount is so ugly
[15:40] <Barridus> my gtk font size is too big, can anyone help?
[15:40] <vadi01> Barridus: after updating your video driver?
[15:40] <James147> saintly: usb-creator should work the same way as the kde version just be slightly mor reliable :S
[15:41] <Barridus> vadi01, no updates have been done, i just started using kde after the lucid release, it's been that way since
[15:42] <vadi01> just adjust from system settings-->appearence-->fonts try setting the font dpi to 96
[15:43] <saintly> James147: the iso file still wont let me select it
[15:44] <Barridus> vadi01, tried that already, doesn't seem to work
[15:44] <James147> saintly: any error?
[15:45] <Barridus> i think the issue isn't a DPI issue with teh gtk fonts, i think it's simply rendering them at a higher size (9 perhaps) opposed to 6 or 7 (kde)
[15:49] <comodi> hi to all
[15:49] <Landgraf_Chel> what package in'nt requre certificate?
[15:49] <FabienD> I have upgraded to kubuntu 10.04 and got the 'can't start ksmserver' error. is that due to my nvidia card or what ?
[15:49] <comodi> any news about poulsbo and lucid lynx?
[15:50] <Landgraf_Chel> i need vpn-connection, bat i not have certifcate
[15:50] <saintly> no, it just closes the window after i select open
[15:50] <Landgraf_Chel> in gnome is it
[15:51] <Landgraf_Chel> openvpn and vpnc isn't suit
[15:51] <Landgraf_Chel> what is more?
[15:52] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[15:53] <wizkoder> my laptop just told me that its low on power. so I connected the cable and everything crashed. I had to press the power button for seconds to turn the computer off. when it came back up the desktop was resetted. all settings lost. Waht a bad version :-(((((((((((
[15:54] <wizkoder> Do I have to install gnome now? Is there an alternative to ubuntu when I want to use kde?
[15:54] <wizkoder> This version has not been tested. Otherwise it would not have been released.
[15:55] <wizkoder> You will loose a lot of users with this. Because it just does not work!
[15:58] <SatanClaus> hey guys, I just ran a dis-upgrade on my system, but while doing so my computer suddenly did a hard shutdown, I think something was blocking the fan, so after fixing that: how do I resume?
[15:58] <SatanClaus> s/dis-upgrade/dist-upgrade/
[16:00] <saintly> @ James147: the iso was indeed corrupt lol. downloading a new one now ETA 1hour 22 minutes.
[16:01] <SilverCode> wizkoder: are you using an ext4 filesystem?
[16:01] <wizkoder> SilverCode: No. I use xfs
[16:02] <vadi01> whooooo my printer finally worked after 5 years
[16:02] <vadi01> not this is cool
[16:03] <SilverCode> wizkoder: ok ... it just sounds like the filsystem hadn't comitted the changes before your machine crashed
[16:04] <SilverCode> wizkoder: as for the crashing when you plug your power in, that sucks :)
[16:04] <wizkoder> SilverCode: its not the fs fault. xfs works fine.
[16:04] <saintly> @ silvercode: what?? lol
[16:04] <saintly> oh wizkoder crashed when puggin er in?
[16:05] <wizkoder> saintly: I just plugged the power cable in and everything goes down :-(
[16:05] <saintly> @ wizkoder: are you on it right now
[16:06] <wizkoder> Does debian have a graphical system setting now? I think I try this now. Kubuntu is not working anymore :-(
[16:06] <wizkoder> saintly: rebootet and started to set everything up again
[16:06] <wizkoder> The plasmoid started to jump around again
[16:06] <saintly> @ wizkoder: ouch. and you are plugged in to power now?
[16:06] <wizkoder> If I try to rsize the microblogging plasmoid it always goes back to its initial size
[16:07] <wizkoder> yes its plugged in. guess when I remove the plug the computer explodes again
[16:08] <saintly> @wizkoder: hmm. how old is ur PC? thts hardware failure, unless ur software was made by gods lol.
[16:08] <wizkoder> kubuntu 8.04 worked perfectly
[16:08] <wizkoder> 9.04 was really buggy
[16:09] <wizkoder> 10.04 is worse :-((((
[16:09] <wizkoder> Its about 2 years old
[16:09] <saintly> 9.10 was a thing of beauty
[16:09] <wizkoder> No its wasn't because the sound crashed all the time
[16:09] <saintly> try the Netbook version, wizkoder
[16:09] <wizkoder> I want to use kde
[16:10] <saintly> and i cn help ur sound isssues too lol
[16:10] <saintly> !sound
[16:10] <saintly> use the trouble shooting one, and if you get stuck come talk to me lol.
[16:10] <saintly> took me like 15 minutes, my sound is perfect.
[16:11] <saintly> something about  the kernal when you update, it doesnt quite catch sound cards right lol.
[16:12] <wizkoder> The sound in the new version seems to work :-)
[16:12] <wizkoder> Did not yet install skype. Lets see
[16:12] <abdlhafiz> wats up
[16:12] <saintly> skype is my tester lol. i use the echo sound toest, easy as cake.
[16:13] <saintly> test*
[16:13] <saintly> @abdihafiz: hey
[16:13] <abdlhafiz> @sup  dude
[16:13] <saintly> ;)
[16:14] <saintly> need help with anything?
[16:14] <abdlhafiz> @yeah
[16:15] <saintly> whats thatt
[16:16] <abdlhafiz> @sanintly,i want tha source code 4 firefox,any idea
[16:17] <saintly> hmm
[16:17] <zus> oxymoron,  are you still around?
[16:17] <saintly> let me look
[16:17] <abdlhafiz> i'm waiting
[16:18] <saintly> @abdlhafiz: i assume you want the newset version?
[16:18] <zus> oxymoron,  i fixed the video. i fixed my video. it was end user error.
[16:20] <abdlhafiz> yeah man
[16:22] <FabienD> !ksmserver
[16:22] <FabienD> !nvidia
[16:22] <FabienD> !can't start ksmserver
[16:23] <FabienD> lol
[16:23] <saintly> you need to download Mercurial, thats ur easiest way, abdlhafiz
[16:23] <saintly> https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide/Source_Code/Mercurial
[16:23] <zus> does konqueror come with kget plugins by default? or do i have to install them? how do i know if its installed or not?
[16:26] <giovanny> hi
[16:27] <jeremias_> hello
[16:30] <c3l> how can I set a hotkey for dolphin?
[16:34] <c3l> nvm I found it
[16:38] <ner0x> Anyone found a fix for the nvidia-settings error yet?
[16:39] <SilverCode> ner0x: you mean it not being able to save to xorg.conf?
[16:39] <ner0x> SilverCode, Yes.
[16:39] <oxymoron> zus: Ah now I am, glad you fixed it. What was the problem?
[16:39] <SilverCode> ner0x: I just saved to empty file, ran nvidia-xconfig, and then hand merged the 2
[16:40] <SilverCode> ner0x: certainly not ideal, but it worked :)
[16:40] <ner0x> SilverCode: Still getting a lot of the bugs out of this one I guess.
[16:41] <zus> oxymoron,  really i had used karmic repository alll i had to do was change karmic to lucid. that was my bad
[16:41] <ner0x> Also, I noticed there is no "kdevelop" package?
[16:42] <FabienD> !failsafe
[16:42] <FabienD> !failsafe session
[16:43] <zus> oxymoron, lesson learned pay attention lol.
[16:44] <zus> does anyone know how to get ubuntu-1 in kubuntu?
[16:44] <ner0x> SilverCode: Didn't work. This is enough to make me switch back to 9.10
[16:45] <ner0x> How can it be released with so many issues. :-/
[16:45] <TheAncientGoat> Guys, is there an easy way to mount a hardrive at a specific point after installation? I had a seperate partition for my Desktop folder in 9.10, and I freshly re-installed my system but forgot to set that partitions mount point, and I can't find anything to fix it
[16:46] <TheAncientGoat> I can remember being able to set mountpoints in a partition editor, but I cant seem to find that functionality anymore
[16:46] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: /etc/fstab is where you would do it, I think
[16:47] <TheAncientGoat> I have yet to touch a text config file that has not messed up my installation in some way or another :P
[16:47] <c3l> how can I get a folder "up" button in dolphin?
[16:48] <ljl> c3l: right click on the toolbar, configure toolbar, add it.
[16:48] <iconmefisto> c3l: right-click the toolbar, configure toolbars
[16:48] <c3l> aah nice, ty
[16:48] <ljl> c3l: you do know you can click on the last directory listed in the path at the top to achieve the same effect, though?
[16:50] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: How can I get the uuid of a drive?
[16:52] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: sudo blkid /dev/sda5 (for example)
[16:52] <BiggFREE> Hi
[16:53] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Ah, I got it with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[16:54] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Do you see anything wrong with adding this line: UUID=adc96351-88d0-4ab3-b52d-556bb72794a8 /home/ryan/Desktop/	ext4	errors=remount-ro 0       1
[16:55] <iconmefisto> TheAncientGoat: looks ok to me
[16:56] <TheAncientGoat> iconmefisto: Ok, so you better hide if this makes my system unbootable :P
[16:57] <Schnacki> Hi, I've got a problem at boot-time (hang on splashscreen) and am kind of at a loss on how to diagnose this in order to find if this is a know bug or something new. Can someone assist me here?
[16:59] <Schnacki> It appears similar to Bug #538524, but that's supposed to be fixed since mid of March, so I'm probably seeing something else
[17:01] <BiggFREE> How is working apt-get clean ?
[17:01] <BiggFREE> How do I free space with Linux ?
[17:01] <timmey> BiggFree: df
[17:01] <c3l> BiggFREE: ...?.. remove files
[17:02] <BiggFREE> yes
[17:02] <krucks> kubuntu this Very God
[17:02] <BiggFREE> df command
[17:02] <c3l> BiggFREE: open your favourite filemanager and start removing files that you dont need. or uninstall packages: # apt-get remove foo
[17:02] <BiggFREE> df files
[17:03] <BiggFREE> ok
[17:03] <BiggFREE> ty :)
[17:04] <Anubis> is there a way to put multiple linux live distros on a dvd, select the distro and boot ?
[17:05] <hollyday> hey guys, i just installed kubuntu 10.4 and tried to start it, but all i get is a grub shell
[17:05] <ner0x> If my sudo won't let me "sudo" anything, how do I edit root files? (seeing as I can't log in as root)
[17:06] <zus> what can play .swf files?
[17:07] <ljl> ner0x: you can reboot into recovery mode and fix it
[17:07] <iconmefisto> zus: simplest thing is a web browser
[17:07] <reza> ner0x: sudo nano <file>
[17:07] <ljl> reza: ... he just said sudo doesn't work.
[17:08] <ner0x> ljl: I'll try that.
[17:08] <ner0x> I was trying to avoid that. :-/
[17:08] <reza> hollyday: it looks like something happened with your grub configuration during install. anything work in the recovery mode?
[17:08] <ljl> ner0x: if sudo doesn't work there aren't many other ways. is your user a member of the "admin" group? (check by typing "groups")
[17:08] <phdp> I need to modify /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. When I try to open the file it says I do not have the permission, so I guess I have to open a terminal, type "sudo su", enter my password and then open it, but I have no idea how to open a textfile from the console :)
[17:08] <zus> iconmefisto, ty
[17:09] <ner0x> ljl: I know the mistake I made. I'll have to book in save to fix it. :-/
[17:09] <reza> phdp: kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[17:09] <yofel> phdp: just run 'kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf' from the run dialog
[17:10] <hollyday> reza: how can i got into the recovery mode? the grub shel is the first thing i get when i start my pc, there is no grubmenu or something
[17:10] <phdp> I get: No protocol specified
[17:10] <phdp> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[17:11] <Schnacki> phdp: run the "kdesudo..." command as your normal user
[17:11] <Schnacki> phdp: not as root.
[17:11] <phdp> oops
[17:11] <yofel_> phdp: you did use that from the run dialog, not from the terminal?
[17:11] <yofel_> phdp: or yes, as your normal user from the terminal
[17:11] <phdp> ah yes ! it works, thanks
[17:14] <reza> hollyday: sorry, I misunderstood. I don't know with certainty how to help you.
[17:15] <Schnacki> hollyday: I guess, your grub is broken. Was this a new install or an upgrade?
[17:15] <hollyday> it was a new install, i already tried to reinstall grub with the chroot method, but the result at the boot is still the same
[17:16] <hollyday> and i dont have a menu.lst or e grub.conf in my /boot/grub/ after the original install neither after i reinstalled grub
[17:16] <reza> hollyday: I'm researching it online and it looks like a missing symlink in your /boot/grub
[17:17] <reza> is re-installing out of the question?
[17:17] <Schnacki> hollyday: I'm not yet familiar with grub2, but: if you boot the live-cd and look on the disk at the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file, are there any lines beginning with "menuentry" in there?
[17:20] <horst_> Guten Abend
[17:21] <zus> is there an autohide on the panel in kubutnu?
[17:21] <ADC> yes zus
[17:21] <ADC> 'abend horst
[17:21] <calumayoo> hello... my video i think that the video resolution is poor... especially when it is in full screen mode
[17:21] <ADC> to autohide the panel, go to the panel settings
[17:21] <david_n> i triedn kubuntu 10.04 live, and it worked excellent. i installed it, and when i started it i just got a black terminal-screen with a login-window. i tried "startx", and saw that there was some missing "nvidia" driver. how do i fix that? :o
[17:21] <calumayoo> i think that the video resolution is poor... especially when it is in full screen mode
[17:21] <DerHorst> Hier ist nicht genug Platz für zwei Horst!
[17:22] <ADC> more settings, auto hide
[17:22] <ADC> DerHorst : LOL
[17:22] <DerHorst> Oh, excuse me, english channel: There is one Horst too much
[17:22] <ADC> xD
[17:22] <ADC> zus : found it ?
[17:23] <zus> ADC,  no i steped away for a sec,  where is it?
[17:23] <ADC> zus : do you see the designed panel button ?
[17:23] <ADC> zus : down right normally
[17:24] <zus> ADC,  i found it now thanks.
[17:24] <ADC> zus : kde4 right ?
[17:24] <zus> ADC,  yes
[17:24] <c3l> why does the fonts in firefox and some other applications make me want to kill my selfe after a while? it looks just plain bad sometimes, didnt have this issue when I was running ubuntu 19.10, now I switched to kubuntu 10.04
[17:24] <ADC> zus : alright ^^
[17:25] <ADC> the autohide function of panels is much better in kde 4 than 3.5
[17:25] <ADC> (of course lol)
[17:25] <zus> ADC, i dont really wanna clutter the dsktp with widgets and the pannel is in my way lol
[17:25] <ADC> ^^
[17:27] <ner0x> What happened to kdevelop ?
[17:27] <ADC> c3l : i do not have such problems
[17:28] <ADC> c3l : which version of firefox are you using ?
[17:28] <c3l> ADC: latest, installed the system earlier today, and firefox with some default firefox installer that was included in kubuntu
[17:29] <Schnacki> ner0x: KDevelop 4 is commited but not on the mirrors yet. At least that's what I gathered from launchpad earlier today
[17:29] <ADC> c3l : go to help, about firefox to get the version
[17:29] <c3l> but I now see that I had been messing with the screens settings, there was no real problem, thanks anyway =)
[17:29] <ADC> c3l : because the last firefox release is 3.6.3, and it's working perfectly for me ^^
[17:29] <c3l> same here :D
[17:29] <ADC> ok
[17:29] <UbuntuLily> How big does your USB drive have to be to be able to install kubuntu on it?
[17:30] <ADC> 2gB minimum
[17:30] <ADC> and it's pretty embarasing
[17:30] <ADC> 4GB would be great
[17:30] <ADC> because you need 1GB for kubuntu
[17:30] <c3l> no
[17:31] <c3l> the iso file is less than 700mb
[17:31] <ADC> and 1 or 2 or 4, ... GB for the changes, its a permanent file, so a false partition, in a file that is completed by using the system
[17:31] <c3l> it fits on a CD
[17:31] <ADC> yeah ok 700mo to 1gb for the system, and the persistent casper file ^^
[17:31] <c3l> oooh, you wanted to install ON it
[17:31] <Barridus> dragon player just sits with a black screen when i try and play a video, codec issue?
[17:31] <c3l> sorry =)
[17:31] <ADC> doesn't mather ^^
[17:32] <wizkoder> i have just let the machine on for a while anf ate breakfast. when i came back the desktop looked strange. the tray only showing some symbols. nothing worked anymore....   omg
[17:32] <plush> heya. is there any way to install 10.04 on a netbook that has no optical drives?
[17:32] <plush> it seems to be extremely difficult as there are no .img files
[17:32] <wizkoder> dont install it!!!!!!!!!!
[17:32] <ADC> what type of videos wiskoder ? divx ?
[17:32] <plush> there is a netbook .iso but that's too big to burn on cd and boot my computer from :(
[17:32] <ADC> then use an usb key ^^
[17:32] <c3l> plush: use unetbootin to get the iso into an img, it does all this and puts it on the usb automatically, very easy and fast
[17:33] <Barridus> plush, use a tool like unetbootin to create a bootable flash drive from the .iso
[17:33] <franxavior> hi there
[17:33] <zus> i  thought 10.4 was goint to have yahoo as a search engine? or is that ubuntu only
[17:33] <ADC> aha first
[17:33] <ADC> :D
[17:33] <franxavior> is there any way to disable to desktop preview thing?
[17:33] <c3l> zus: whaaaaat?!
[17:33] <plush> c3l: i can't. i don't have linux
[17:33] <franxavior> or preview in general whenever my mouse hovers over any item?
[17:33] <ADC> you can do it on pc plush
[17:33] <plush> the tool seems to exist for linux and windows only
[17:33] <c3l> plush: ohh.. well get cygwin :D
[17:33] <plush> rather free software-unfriendly
[17:33] <plush> i run freebsd on all my machines
[17:34] <c3l> aha
[17:34] <plush> no cygwin for freebsd...
[17:34] <ADC> generating a usb install key can be made under windows too
[17:34] <c3l> i just assumed win..
[17:34] <UbuntuLily> I don't have a CD-R Available to me and am trying to build the disk but only have a 1GB thumb drive.  When I used USB Creator it says its too small.  If the CD is 697MB why don't it fit on a 1GB thumb?
[17:34] <wizkoder> plush: why exactely are u in this channel then? :)
[17:34] <ADC> then find one pc with windows ^^
[17:34] <fussel> horst ist jetzt fussel
[17:34] <plush> wizkoder: because i run all my family on kubuntu
[17:34] <fussel> ok
[17:34] <plush> and so i am trying to install it on my old machine
[17:34] <ADC> i know i should get killed by talking of wind**** LOL
[17:34] <plush> all i have right now is freebsd... and a very uncooperative iso image
[17:34] <zus> c3l,  i was reading that some place
[17:35] <plush> there has got to be a way to install this beast
[17:35] <zus> c3l,  kinda glad they didnt
[17:35] <c3l> is the restricted extras included as default in the latest kubuntu?
[17:35] <ADC> i don't think so
[17:35] <ADC> i did install it so i think not lol
[17:35] <c3l> zus: haha yeah, does people even use yahoo these days? maybe in the states.. but its dead in europe
[17:36] <c3l> ADC: thats wierd, i can play mp3s and so anyways
[17:36] <ADC> that's pretty right
[17:36] <ADC> yeah me too by the begining, but i needed it for something and did install it
[17:36] <c3l> ahh, well flash and so doesnt work so Ill get it
[17:36] <ADC> ^^
[17:37] <ADC> oh, just for fun, where are you all from ?
[17:37] <zus> c3l, i like yahoo...better than bing/aol/  and  all the others that was used back in the day...i kinda used yahoo cuz they was an alternative then and after all these years i still have my same email lol
[17:37] <ADC> i mean which land ? ^^
[17:37] <c3l> sweden! icebears and stuff ;)
[17:37] <harjot> whats kubuntus equivelent of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot
[17:37] <ADC> France :D
[17:37] <ner0x> So how many people went back to 9.10?
[17:38] <c3l> zus: ive converted to google completle, not too proud of it though ;p
[17:38]  * ljl will be back onto 8.04 ;|
[17:38] <plush> so... is there no way at all to install kubuntu when you are not running either windows or linux already? this seems a bit... sad
[17:38] <ADC> ner0x : why ?
[17:38] <UbuntuLily> Can someone help me with this error,  I am trying to install unetbootin and receive this:  This error could be caused by required additional software packages which are missing or not installable. Futhermore there could be a conflict between software packages which are not allowed to be installed at the same time.
[17:38] <ljl> plush: uh?
[17:38] <ner0x> ADC: Well, so far nothing works.
[17:38] <c3l> I see only improvements with 10.04
[17:38] <zus> c3l,  im Slowly going google i made a gmail in the last 2 months maybe?
[17:38] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:39] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:39] <Schnacki> plush: well, there is, just converting for an usb-image seems a bit hard
[17:39] <plush> ljl: i can't find a way to make a bootable usb key and install kubuntu
[17:39] <ADC> you need to get the installation working plush, if you are really desperate, buy a ubuntu cd :D
[17:39] <Schnacki> plush: is there no bsd-tool that does something similar?
[17:39] <plush> ADC: a cd is no use. this is a netbook we are talking about
[17:39] <harjot> whats kubuntus equivelent of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot
[17:39] <plush> Schnacki: not that i know of
[17:39] <ner0x> kdevelop isn't around anymore, nvidia-settings is broken.
[17:39] <ADC> dor me 10.04 lunid lynx is perfect ner0x
[17:39] <ADC> yeah but
[17:39] <ljl> plush: ah, ok. because obviously there is normally away, and that's burning the ISO to a CD.
[17:39] <ADC> you need something to install ubuntu ^^
[17:39] <c3l> zus: the thing is that you cant dislike googles products, they are very good at most levels, and alot is even open source.
[17:39] <ljl> plush: i thought freebsd came with a Linux binary compatibility layer, anyway?
[17:39] <saintly> anyone?
[17:40] <ADC> so you need or a ubuntu CD, or a ubuntu Usb Key
[17:40] <plush> ljl: this i can't do either as the image is 770mb and i only have 700mb cds here...
[17:40] <ner0x> ADC: Hrm?
[17:40] <zus> c3l,  yahoo is now used for social sites like myspace and facebooks and spam and serious stuffs now go to yahoo. im so tardy to the google trends
[17:40] <Schnacki> plush: alternatively (and I admit this is _lots_ of additional work): install virtualbox on your bsd (I assume that's possible?), install kubuntu in there and use that to convert the ISO to an USB-Image
[17:40] <ljl> plush: it will probably burn anyway
[17:40] <ADC> who is running 10.04 here ?
[17:40] <ADC> Me :D
[17:40] <plush> ljl: for userland stuff, yes. not sure if linux support will work for such a low-level tool
[17:40] <ljl> plush: it's not particularly low-level.
[17:40] <ljl> worth trying.
[17:41] <UbuntuLily> Plush - ore you can use virtualbox and just boot to the live image and probably do the same
[17:41] <dlb1980> I need some help with my video driver issues, since I upgraded to 10.04 I cant get into KDE anymore
[17:41] <plush> Schnacki: i already have virtualbox. i have windows in it. mounted the netbook cd in there. double clicked on the usb-creator.exe for windows. nothing happened, so i killed the session after 5 minutes
[17:41] <c3l> zus: is yahoo integrated with myspace and facebook? ;o well I really like gmail and google docs, use it alot actually. and of course the search engine, but maybe I'm just so used to it..
[17:41] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:41] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:41] <franxavior> looks like you cant disable desktop preview in 10.04
[17:42] <calumayoo> uhm this is urgent... need your help guys. Konqueror's going wild!!!! how do i stop it?
[17:42] <ADC> oh yeah, the only thing i can't get working is the suspend mode, but was the same with 9.10
[17:42] <ADC> doesn't mather
[17:42] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:42] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:42] <UbuntuLily> Plush, do you have your USB drive mounted in virtualbox to your guest?
[17:42] <Schnacki> plush: did you assign the USB-drive to the windows-box?
[17:43] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:43] <saintly> what should i do? Is there some way to save it?
[17:43] <Schnacki> I've never done this myself, so I don't even have an idea what _should_ happen
[17:43] <zus> c3l,  no but when they asked for email adress i use the what i call the spam catcher. i check that every 2 months my yahoo email that is
[17:43] <calumayoo> uhm this is urgent... need your help guys. Konqueror's going wild!!!! how do i stop it?
[17:43] <saintly> calumayoo, uninstall the sucker, konqueror is crap
[17:43] <plush> UbuntuLily: unfortunately, forwarding usb-drives as such into virtualbox is not supported for freebsd-
[17:43] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:43] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:44] <c3l> zus: haha aah now I get it
[17:44] <ADC> i do agree for konqueror ^^
[17:44] <Schnacki> calumayoo: [ctrl]-[alt]-[esc] and klick on konqueror -> Konqueror killed
[17:44] <ADC> firefox is the best ever
[17:44] <c3l> calumayoo: kill it and stop using it, I really dislike it :D
[17:44] <plush> Schnacki: i didn't even get that far. the usb-creator didn't even start
[17:44] <UbuntuLily> Neat.  No luck with unetbootin?
[17:44] <teeahr1> Can anybody help me out with some video card woes? I've been trying to get the nvidia driver to work for a GeForce GTS 250M for the last two days and I've gotten nowhere.
[17:44] <saintly> Im copying the ISO file, and my computer dropped into hibernate. now it says its copying, but its not moving.
[17:44] <saintly> what should i do?
[17:45] <calumayoo> it continues loading
[17:45] <calumayoo> nonstop
[17:45] <Schnacki> saintly: reboot
[17:45] <zus> c3l,  i'm kinda waiting for wave to go public
[17:45] <dlb1980> I need some help with some video card issues, need help trying to get KDE to work since the upgrade to 10.04
[17:45] <saintly> Schnacki:  and itll continue to load when i do so?
[17:46] <Schnacki> calumayoo: what did you do? Did it start with surfing to a webpage?
[17:46] <plush> UbuntuLily: netbootin is linux and windows only. other free software explicitly not supported
[17:46] <Schnacki> saintly: no, but it'll have stopped downloading and you will have to restart
[17:46] <calumayoo> i clicked the help button as i was downloading a new splash screen
[17:46] <c3l> zus: ive had a wave account for quite some time now, wave is really slow and not very useful yet =/ but the idea is great!
[17:46] <saintly> Schnacki: So i need to reboot and downlaod again, in other words
[17:46] <Schnacki> plush: I meant _before_ starting the usb-creator
[17:47] <c3l> zus: but I've seen alot of improvements over time, and its working faster and faster
[17:47] <ADC> oh a question to everyone : what do you see during the boot sequence of kubuntu ?
[17:47] <plush> Schnacki: ah, so the tool is designed to not even pop up an error message if there is no usb key?
[17:47] <calumayoo> Schnacko: i clicked the help button as i was downloading a new spalsh screen. now my mouse pointer is a nonstop bouncing konqueror
[17:47] <ljl> ADC: a garbled splashscreen (known bug)
[17:47] <Schnacki> saintly: that would be the "easily describable way". Might be another way, but I'm not good enough at remote-debugging to tell you what you could do otherwise :)
[17:48] <ADC> i have nothing until kde is loaded and went crazy with that the last two days lol
[17:48] <saintly> Schnacki: Reboot it is! see you in a minute 30
[17:48] <Schnacki> plush: I don't know. I've never used the tool. But it's an idea to test
[17:48] <BiggFREE> bbl
[17:48] <calumayoo> ill just restart
[17:48] <calumayoo> be back
[17:48] <ADC> sorry i have to leave, gonna eat pizzas LOL byebye
[17:48] <vince> Hi eveyone
[17:49] <vince> I have q big proble; here
[17:49] <Schnacki> calumayoo: oh, so konqueror is not really starting, just the "startup notification" for konqueror is always present?
[17:50] <vince> the netzork manager seems to be disabled
[17:50] <vince> no zifi no netzork
[17:50] <vince> nothing
[17:51] <plush> Schnacki: i have windows installed natively on one of the machines i am putting kubuntu on
[17:51] <plush> just freed 2gb and will do it from there
[17:51] <vince> please help me
[17:51] <dlb1980> I really need some help trying to get my computer to work, I cant get in to KDE it loads to console, and when i type KDM it wont open KDE
[17:51] <plush> but i am *shocked* that windows is supported for this and "competing" free OSes are deliberately excluded
[17:52] <Schnacki> plush: good luck :)
[17:52] <plush> this is a terrible state of affairs
[17:52] <Schnacki> vince: what does "ifconfig" on a console say? does it show any devices?
[17:53] <vince> i cant do it cos im using qn ubuntu live cd right now
[17:53] <vince> cause my kubuntu is useless at the moment
[17:54] <vince> the thing is i was running out of battery and i had to reboot using the on>off button
[17:54] <plush> Schnacki: thanks. i will need a lot of luck
[17:54] <vince> it screzed up the network manager
[17:55] <wizkoder> Is Lucid working for somebody here without Problems?
[17:55] <vince> i tried to delete all kde config files
[17:55] <vince> didnt work
[17:57] <vince> i think i need all the *deb related to the network manager
[17:57] <StevenR> wizkoder: works for me :)
[17:57] <vince> cause i cant use the internet /
[17:59] <wizkoder> StevenR: No problems?
[17:59] <calumayoo> Schnacki: how do i remove it?
[17:59] <StevenR> wizkoder: nope. just works.
[17:59] <calumayoo> Schnacko: how do i remove it?
[18:00] <Schnacki> vince: well: if the sources.list file also includes the cd you might just be able to reinstall that, but I'm not really sure that would help
[18:00] <Schnacki> calumayoo: remove what?
[18:00] <calumayoo> konqueror
[18:01] <vince> thx Schnacki...i dont know zhat happened...frustrating
[18:02] <Schnacki> calumayoo: you could try KPackageKit
[18:03] <calumayoo> ok thanks...
[18:03] <calumayoo> have you removed you konqueror?
[18:03] <vince> im afraid im gonna have to make a fresh install
[18:03] <vince> dammit
[18:04] <plush> Schnacki: the usb-creator seems to be doing its work from native windows. success at last
[18:04] <vince> bye
[18:05] <Schnacki> plush: *thumbsup* at least you get it to work, if not in the way wanted
[18:05] <Schnacki> vince: I'm sorry, but I don't really know anything more to help you here
[18:05] <Schnacki> calumayoo: nope. I don't have any problems with it
[18:05] <saintly> alright noobish question how do i access my files n stuff?
[18:06] <zus> i am using fire fox the new 3.6 one,...and i keep getting asked to install new plugins. but when i hit the button it says there were no pluggings found
[18:06] <plush> Schnacki: next thing, once the netbook is happy, windows on the other machine will be replaced with kubuntu as well
[18:06] <calumayoo> Schnacki: i removed it nnow
[18:06] <kubuntukrazy> i'm in trouble.  i ran the upgrade, but afterwards couldn't log into KDE.  i tried removing my NV drivers and going basic, but that screwed things up worse.  i finally removed and reinstalled xserver, but now i just error to cmd prompt.
[18:07] <kubuntukrazy> i also get a USB /dev/proc/usb mount error on boot
[18:07] <kubuntukrazy> is there anything i can run at the cmd prompt to force the everything to be reinstalled?
[18:07] <moderndayzero> anyone know how to get the accelerated 3d working on 10.4
[18:08] <saintly> How do i access my files LOL
[18:08] <saintly> ??
[18:08] <dlb1980> i need some video card issues help, I cant get into KDE
[18:08] <kubuntukrazy> saintly: use dolphin
[18:09] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: me too.  try to log in, get popped right back out?
[18:09] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: all of my fix attempts have just broken things worse :(
[18:09] <Schnacki> saintly: dolphin would come to mind
[18:09] <saintly> LOL
[18:09] <dlb1980> same here, i get thrown into console instead of being able to get into KDE
[18:10] <Schnacki> saintly: what files do you talk about? those of another OS?
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: yup.  nvidia?
[18:10] <dlb1980> intel
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> hmm
[18:10] <kubuntukrazy> glx ?
[18:10] <dlb1980> gm965
[18:11] <dlb1980> it is on my laptop
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: did you have glx running? (3d accel)
[18:11] <dlb1980> no i was trying to get it started  and that is what caused this
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> oh, hehe
[18:11] <kubuntukrazy> in the past i've fun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure video
[18:12] <kubuntukrazy> that doesn't appear to do anything
[18:12] <kubuntukrazy> i mean, i hit enter and it doesn't seem to run anything
[18:13] <dlb1980> the last thing i put in that caused all of this was "echo options i915 modeset=1 sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
[18:14] <melomane> kubuntu lucid has problems with DSL right?
[18:14] <kubuntukrazy> dlb1980: good luck.... i'm sick of messign with it for now.  i'm going to eat a sandwhich
[18:15] <kubuntukrazy> maybe someone will be on later that knows more than how to break stuff (like me)
[18:15] <dlb1980> lol ok thanks, hope you canfix it as well
[18:18] <seth> Hello?
[18:19] <seth> I apparently am unaware of what I'm doing. Help?
[18:19] <iconmefisto> what's the problem, seth
[18:20] <seth> I upgraded to 10.04 and now my computer won't recognize my second hard drive.
[18:20] <seth> I used it as storage.
[18:21] <omfarka> hello, how can i get back my panel at the bottom of the screen
[18:21] <omfarka> i am using ubuntu 10.04
[18:22] <BluesKaj> omfarka, ask in #ubuntu
[18:22] <omfarka> thanks
[18:22] <ngong> doing an apt-get update, I get "99% waiting for headlines" and it never finishes. Any idea how to overcome it?
[18:22] <theuros> i have dualboot ... what happens to my other OS if i install new version of ubuntu over old one ?
[18:24] <BluesKaj> which other OS ?
[18:24] <theuros> win xp
[18:24] <theuros> i ahve win xp and ubuntu
[18:25] <theuros> i want to install a new version of ubuntu over my old one .. clean install
[18:25] <BluesKaj> that will work fine , theuros
[18:25] <theuros> so i just install it over and thats it ?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> yes, but make sure you use the manual install with formatting
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's best way to do a clean install IMO
[18:27] <calumayoo> can you mount a .zip file in kubuntu?
[18:28] <iconmefisto> seth: how did you use your 2nd disk before the upgrade? where was it mounted?
[18:28] <theuros> i will ....thanx for info
[18:30] <dolomite> calumayoo: I'm not aware of any software that'll allow you to mount a .zip
[18:30] <dolomite> you can extract it
[18:31] <seth> iconmefisto: I'm not sure what you mean. When I needed to use it, I just clicked on "Places" and mounted itfrom the drop down menu with a password I set up.
[18:31] <calumayoo> i extracted it...  here trying to install ms office 07 using playonlinux....thanks dolomite
[18:31] <dolomite> np
[18:32] <iconmefisto> seth: so it's not listed in places any more
[18:33] <seth> iconmefisto: No. It has disappeared.
[18:35] <dolomite> iconmefisto: sudo blkid in a terminal should give you information about your drives
[18:38] <dolomite> then you can mount your "2nd disk" using sudo mount
[18:39] <seth> dolomite: how do I know which one to mount?
[18:39] <phrozen> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.   - can someone help me?
[18:40] <ubnuntu_giant> Hello. Is there any way to indent by tab in Kate as opposed to indenting by spaces?
[18:41] <phrozen> If I am trying to add a a wired by GUI and when I am checking avaiable for all users then it is deleting
[18:41] <dolomite> seth: how many entries does it give? it doesn't hurt to go down the list and try to mount them all
[18:41] <dolomite> seth: that is, if you don't know which one is the drive you're trying to mount
[18:41] <phrozen> hmm I am trying to mount eth0
[18:41] <phrozen> but I can not
[18:41] <seth> dolomite: Ok, I'll try them all. brb
[18:41] <phrozen> how can I do that?
[18:42] <iconmefisto> phrozen: ifconfig eth0 up  ??
[18:42] <phrozen> it is not solving the problem .. if I type eth0 I can see eth0 configuration
[18:42] <phrozen> I can ping site eq ping google.com
[18:42] <dolomite> phrozen: are you using knetworkmanager? consider switching to wicd
[18:43] <phrozen> but my FF or Opera can not open site
[18:43] <phrozen> no I am using gnome
[18:43] <dolomite> phrozen: have you edited the /etc/network/interfaces file or is it standard?
[18:43] <phrozen> I edited but now it is standard
[18:44] <tazz> i forgot the name of the app to upgrade my kubuntu install.
[18:44] <tazz> anyone here remember?
[18:44] <dolomite> tazz: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:44] <dolomite> ?
[18:45] <seth> dolomite: I'm really new to this. This what I get.../dev/sda5: UUID="5e985a84-0f6d-48d8-a5e6-b272cd5ab752" TYPE="swap"
[18:45] <seth> /dev/sdb1: UUID="5294658A94657181" TYPE="ntfs"
[18:45] <seth> /dev/sda1: UUID="f41fa519-c086-45d1-a501-e6f588e03894" TYPE="ext4"
[18:45] <seth> When you say, to use sudo mount...what
[18:45] <FloodBotK1> seth: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:45] <yofel> tazz: you mean from karmic?
[18:45] <tazz> dolomite,  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[18:45] <seth> Sorry.
[18:45] <tazz> yofel, up
[18:45] <tsimpson> !upgrade
[18:45] <tazz> from 9.10 to 10.04
[18:45] <dolomite> seth: example- sudo mount /dev/sdb1
[18:46] <moderndayzero> hello everyone
[18:46] <yofel> !upgrade | tazz
[18:46] <tazz> yofel, yes i am, thanks for pointing it out.
[18:46] <phrozen> dolomite any ideas? how can I solve problem with my network? I can not see an icon with wired connection near clock and etc, and at network manager none wireds
[18:47] <dolomite> phrozen: so you can't add a wired connection in network manager?
[18:47] <phrozen> yup that is true ... but it is not only problem
[18:48] <phrozen> it is after upgrade to 10.04 ;/
[18:48] <seth> dolomite: It didn't work.
[18:48] <phrozen> from 9.04
[18:48] <yofel> phrozen: if you plug the cable in it should use a dhcp connection by default
[18:48] <dolomite> phrozen: in your /etc/network/interfaces, are there the lines auto eth0 and iface etho0 inet dhcp?
[18:48] <phrozen> yea I was trying but it is not ;/
[18:49] <phrozen> nop it is not
[18:49] <yofel> phrozen: you did upgrade to 9.10 first? direct upgrades from 9.04 to 10.04 aren't supported and not guaranteed to work (more like I have no idea what that does to the system)
[18:49] <phrozen> 9.10 - 10.04
[18:49] <yofel> ok
[18:50] <phrozen> auto lo
[18:51] <phrozen> iface lo inet loopback
[18:51] <phrozen> auto eth0
[18:51] <phrozen> iface etho0 inet dhcp
[18:51] <phrozen> #auto eth0
[18:51] <FloodBotK1> phrozen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:51] <phrozen> #iface eth0 inet static
[18:51] <phrozen>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                          Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[18:51] <yofel> phrozen: erm, can you please remove the eth0 connection from interfaces? we had issues with that during testing
[18:52] <yofel> also network manager will ignore any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:54] <tsimpson> phrozen: use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:55] <phrozen> yofel : I deleted it and now I am restarting comp
[19:00] <phrozen> STILL THE SAME PROBLEM ... no icon with wired connection, interfaces is clear . ehhh
[19:00] <phrozen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/426006/
[19:00] <phrozen> link from ifconfig
[19:02] <yofel> phrozen: can you check if 'knetworkmanager' is running? (ps -e, top, systemmonitor,...)
[19:04] <phrozen> it is
[19:05] <phrozen> i think it is a problem with dns
[19:05] <yofel> phrozen: and the ifconfig output looks fine (except that I don't recognise the address, no home network I guess)
[19:05] <yofel> phrozen: then check your /etc/resolv.conf, that has the DNS information
[19:09] <plush> wow. the netbook remix is the biggest pile of shit i have ever seen
[19:09] <plush> who uses this rubbish?
[19:09] <tsimpson> !language | plush
[19:10] <calumayoo> goodnyt guys! :) thanks for all the help today.. and the other day included... its 2:00 am. lol thanks
[19:23] <StevenR> ok... what's the macos-like panel thing for ubuntu/kubuntu called please?
[19:24] <CartoonCat> ok yay failing to boot after upgrading
[19:24] <CartoonCat> getting a mountall seg fault
[19:25] <yofel> StevenR: do you mean cairo-dock ?
[19:25] <CartoonCat> ideas on how to recover?
[19:26] <dolomite> CartoonCat: can you get into the recovery mode?
[19:28] <phrozen__> postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[19:28] <phrozen__> can it be a problem...
[19:28] <phrozen__> with my internet connection
[19:29] <yofel> if you're trying to run bind9 maybe, had that error too, nobody seems to want to take care of it
[19:29] <CartoonCat> dolomite: mm, if i knew what the recovery kernel name was, then maybe
[19:30] <dolomite> do you have a grub menu?
[19:30] <dolomite> it's usually the same kernel but in parenthesis (recovery mode)
[19:30] <CartoonCat> i do not use the k/ubunt loader, i use my gentoo grub, so i only have the default kernel listed
[19:30] <len_> how do you remove a stuck, hidden, or not visable widget?  I the lcd weather widget stuck under the cashew where I can't get to it.  I can see it, but it is covered by the cashew.
[19:31] <yofel> CartoonCat: then edit the kernel line and replace 'quiet splash' with 'single' as that's the only difference
[19:31] <CartoonCat> i do not have that on my kernel line
[19:32] <yofel> CartoonCat: well, then just add single
[19:32] <CartoonCat> it is kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-20-generic root=/dev/sda7
[19:32] <CartoonCat> just add it to the end or ?
[19:32] <yofel> yes
[19:33] <unholyskorn> Somehow I messed up my video drivers
[19:33] <yofel> my recovery kernel line here is "        linux   /vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-preempt root=UUID=30e41245-f7b8-4e7b-aa38-a5b3aa2cc044 ro single "
[19:33] <unholyskorn> Can anyone help me fix them?
[19:33] <CartoonCat> ty yofel i wil ldo that
[19:34] <yofel> unholyskorn: tell us the issue and we'll try
[19:34] <unholyskorn> I installed ati drivers that where not correct for me
[19:34] <unholyskorn> my card is too old and i didnt know that
[19:34] <unholyskorn> now my glx is broken when i do glxinfo
[19:34] <unholyskorn> i removed the ati drivers already i think
[19:35] <CartoonCat> nope still segfaulted
[19:35] <yofel> unholyskorn: make sure you remove the driver package and that /etc/X11/xorg.conf isn't there
[19:35] <CartoonCat> init:plymouth main process (82) killed by SEGV signal
[19:36] <unholyskorn> How do I delete xorg.conf?
[19:37] <oxymoron> Does anyone use Kdevelop4 here?
[19:38] <unholyskorn> I don't have a xorg.config file in /etc/x11
[19:38] <unholyskorn> i only have a xorg.config.failsafe
[19:39] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:39] <yofel> unholyskorn: ok... then that isn't the issue
[19:40] <unholyskorn> somehow the ati drivers messed something up
[19:40] <unholyskorn> can i somehow just redo the stock ones?
[19:40] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:42] <yofel> unholyskorn: can you run 'sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf' and make sure it's set to mesa?
[19:42] <saintly> and again..
[19:42] <saintly> for netbook would you suggest the actual netbook version or regualr 10.04
[19:42] <dolomite> saintly: once is enough. if anyone can answer your question, they will
[19:42] <saintly> ;)
[19:42] <saintly> alrighty there.
[19:42] <unholyskorn> /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf
[19:43] <StevenR> yofel: probably. trying now. Thanks :)
[19:43] <ads> Cool - just moved a notify message around - plasma crashed. (kubuntu 9.10)
[19:43] <yofel> unholyskorn: hm... then maybe try to run 'sudo ldconfig' and try to restart X, if that doesn't help then at least I am out of ideas
[19:44] <unholyskorn> Crazy how I make one mistake and this os is crippled
[19:44] <unholyskorn> and no one knows how to fix it
[19:44] <ner0x> So where did kdevelop go in kubuntu 10.4?
[19:45] <saintly> Unholyskorn: lol not quite the support team of a windows OS eh? ;)
[19:45] <unholyskorn> Nope, not even close
[19:45] <ner0x> unholyskorn: It's for those with thick skin.
[19:46] <unholyskorn> Yeah i've used linux for a while
[19:46] <unholyskorn> just this new crap not supporting my card and eating dirt cause i installed the drivers i usually do pisses me off
[19:46] <unholyskorn> and now no one knows how to just put it back without totally reformatting
[19:47] <yofel> unholyskorn: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and what is your precise issue again?
[19:47] <unholyskorn> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[19:47] <ner0x> It's an easy fix. nvidia?
[19:47] <unholyskorn> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[19:47] <unholyskorn> ATi
[19:47] <unholyskorn> older card tho, X800XT
[19:47] <yofel> ok, get us your xorg.log please
[19:47] <unholyskorn> k hold on bro
[19:47] <ner0x> I, personally, and not really satisfied with 10.4.
[19:48] <unholyskorn> No sh*t
[19:48] <ner0x> s/and/am
[19:49] <_abhishek> Hi I ma trying to upgrade to lucid from 9.10 but its giving error  Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127. any idea what's the problem
[19:49] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197170
[19:50] <dolomite> _abhishek: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.ubuntu.com
[19:50] <saintly> what are the minimum sys requirements for Kubuntu 10.04
[19:51] <mrub> i don't have sound playing flash videos in my browser. when i start firefox/konqueror from terminal it returns "ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" while playing. any solution?
[19:51] <yofel> ner0x: and kdevelop4 should be available in lucid-backports soonn
[19:51] <ner0x> yofel: How soon is 'soon' ? :)
[19:52] <_abhishek> dolomite: http://paste.ubuntu.com/426033/
[19:52] <dolomite> _abhishek: please edit that file as root and change all karmic references to lucid.
[19:52] <dolomite> _abhishek: then save and exit. run sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <dolomite> _abhishek: and try the distro upgrade again
[19:53] <_abhishek> dolomite: sure one min let me try
[19:54] <yofel> ner0x: very soon, the 4.0.0 release was uploaded yesterday and is stuck in the archive admin approval queue I think https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1
[19:54] <elisionista> Good afternoon
[19:54] <dolomite> hi
[19:55] <yofel> ner0x: go to the architecture you need and get the .debs if you can't wait :P (and -data from i386)
[19:55] <elisionista> I have a question that I would like someone to answer...
[19:55] <dolomite> we'll try
[19:55] <ner0x> I may just go back to 9.10 for a month or so until everything get resolved.
[19:56] <elisionista> how to send image using IM software in kubuntu
[19:56] <elisionista> I tried some software but none worked
[19:57] <dolomite> elisionista: try imageshack.us to host your photo
[19:57] <dolomite> and give the URL to your conversant
[19:57] <elisionista> using MSN protocol I mean
[19:57] <yofel> ner0x: that would be possible too, the kdevelop release was simply too late to include it in lucid from the beginning
[19:58] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197170 any ideas?
[19:58] <elisionista> Is not for my computer, so I cant make a print right now
[19:58] <unholyskorn> when i run gears i get Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[19:58] <unholyskorn> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[19:58] <elisionista> but someone must have  the same problem as I am
[19:58] <lukin> hi for all
[19:58] <yofel> from the log: (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[19:58] <yofel> hm...
[19:58] <elisionista> must be some librarys missing
[19:59] <unholyskorn> Any ideas how to fix it?
[19:59] <yofel> unholyskorn: you didn't by chance use the ati driver from the ati website?
[19:59] <unholyskorn> Yeah :(
[19:59] <yofel> :(
[19:59] <unholyskorn> I used to newest one for linux didn't know it wasn't right
[19:59] <yofel> unholyskorn: first, try to reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[20:00] <ner0x> yofel: Yeah, I might just hang out in 9.10 for a month or so. I'm sure everything will be fixed by then.
[20:00] <yofel> it should be, will propably take a week or so I think
[20:01] <unholyskorn> How do I reinstall it?
[20:01] <ner0x> Yeah, that way any other silly bugs will be taken care of as well.
[20:01] <yofel> unholyskorn: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-core
[20:01] <unholyskorn> k brb while its installing
[20:02] <dolomite> elisionista: what do you mean it's not for your computer?
[20:07] <ikhider> hello, just now I upgraded kubuntu to 10.04 as per the gui prompt and the computer crashed mid upgrade. now I have no GUI. How can I continue the upgrade from command prompt?
[20:09] <ikhider> the xorg.conf does not work
[20:09] <unholyskorn> http://pastebin.org/197187 Does this look like it worked?
[20:09] <yofel> ikhider: first login on the command prompt, then run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[20:10] <yofel> unholyskorn: does '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' exist now?
[20:10] <yofel> if yes, try to restart X
[20:11] <unholyskorn> how do i restart x?  just restart the computer or?
[20:11] <ikhider> yofel: I get a whack o dependency problems, it will not proceed
[20:11] <unholyskorn> Sorry i'm rusty lol
[20:11] <yofel> unholyskorn: logout and login again
[20:11] <unholyskorn> Thanks bro, brb
[20:12] <yofel> ikhider: then try 'sudo apt-get install -f' first instead
[20:13] <_abhishek> dolomite: is there any command which I can execute from terminal because after changing the sources.list file now my Software Update manager not showing the update to 10.04 option
[20:13] <ikhider> yofel: It seems to be doing something...building...replacing...sounds good...
[20:13] <dolomite> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:14] <yofel> ikhider: that command is supposed to try to fix any broken dependencies, if it does something then that's good
[20:14] <yofel> ikhider: after that run dist-upgrade again
[20:14] <ikhider> yofel: Errors were encountered while processing linux headers and sub processes
[20:14] <_abhishek> dolomite: thanks
[20:14] <ikhider> yofel: It stopped again. Do you suggest I use a download disc and install that o way?
[20:15] <progre55> hi people! what the hack is nspluginviewer and why is it eating up my cpu??
[20:15] <unholyskorn> Got me some gears
[20:16] <yofel> ikhider: probably, if it still errors out then it might be pretty broken
[20:16] <dolomite> progre55: nspluginviewer is used by konqueror to be able to use plugins
[20:16] <_abhishek> progre55: I think its flash plugin's part in firefox
[20:16] <ikhider> I should never have hit upgrade. My bad for trusting the system
[20:16] <yofel> progre55: that should be nspluginwrapper and it's used to wrap 32bit flash in 64bit firefox
[20:16] <ikhider> Justy when I am in the middle of a project
[20:17] <ikhider> (is very, very angry)
[20:17] <unholyskorn> People still use compiz?
[20:18] <yofel> unholyskorn: not me, kwin works fine
[20:18] <dolomite> ikhider: try the alternate disc
[20:18] <ikhider> dolomite: Why?
[20:18] <dolomite> ikhider: it's your only option right?
[20:19] <ikhider> dolomite: I downloaded the 64 bit desktop edition
[20:19] <ikhider> dolomite: (or rather, am downloading)
[20:19] <yofel> for reinstalling it doesn't matter if you use alternate or desktop
[20:19] <progre55> oh I see
[20:19] <ikhider> Why on earth would it crash? Maybe 10.04 is not stable yet?
[20:20] <progre55> but I'm using libflashplayer.so from labs.adobe.com..
[20:20] <yofel> if it crashed during upgrade then what crashed was 9.10, not 10.04
[20:20] <progre55> and it's 64bit
[20:20] <ikhider> progre55: So 64 bit is not stable?
[20:20] <dolomite> oh I thought ikhider wanted to try the update from disc
[20:20] <progre55> oh wait, I'm using that for firefox.. and I had konqueror open..
[20:20] <ikhider> dolomite: No, I updated from the desk icon. Now I am updating from disc
[20:21] <progre55> damn I dont like this browser..
[20:21] <yofel> oh update, never tried that from disk
[20:21] <progre55> ikhider, yofel, dolomite: are there any more efficient flash players for konqueror?
[20:21] <dolomite> yofel: the update can only be done with the alternate disk right?
[20:22] <yofel> dolomite: no idea, as I said: I never tried it
[20:22] <progre55> 64bit especially
[20:22] <ikhider> Sorry, I am too enraged to think clearly. I mean update to 10.04 (MISTAKE!Q
[20:22] <yofel> progre55: I use 64bit flash fine here in firefox, don't know how konqueror works
[20:22] <ikhider> If time is an issue, I might have to try and figure how to use Damn Small Linux
[20:23] <progre55> yofel: I also use firefox mostly under ubuntu, but yesterday installed kde..
[20:23] <progre55> oh btw, how do you set firefox as the default browser here?
[20:23] <progre55> in kde
[20:23] <yofel> progre55: systemsettings -> default applications -> web browser
[20:24] <progre55> yofel: thanks
[20:25] <floown> hello
[20:25] <dolomite> ikhider: it's my understanding that to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04, you need the alternate cd
[20:25] <progre55> yofel: do I choose "in the following browser" and select a path to firefox?
[20:25] <dolomite> (failing the online method)
[20:25] <floown> Plymouth is uggly in my Kubuntu. How can I fixe it please?
[20:26] <yofel> progre55: yes (or just put 'firefox' in the text field)
[20:27] <progre55> yofel: awesome, thanks man, appreciate
[20:32] <unholyskorn> wow this os is buggy
[20:34] <unholyskorn> 3rd crash today...
[20:34] <unholyskorn> just using simple crap like setting up kwin
[20:36] <unholyskorn> what the hell
[20:37] <SliderMan> hello everyone, i have installed the ati drivers through the hardware module in kubuntu but somehow it seem not to work currectly is there anything i could do to fix it?
[20:38] <unholyskorn> 4th crash WOOHOO
[20:39] <zus> is clam anti virus worth installing? and how good is it?
[20:42] <James147> zus: its only really useful if you shave alot of files with windows. Linuxs its self dosnt have many viruses on it
[20:42] <James147> share ^^
[20:43] <zus> James147,  i do not share files with windows but im on the network with 2 windows users and my desktop share notifications are popping up with one of the pc tryinng to talk to my pc...
[20:44] <zus> James147,  am i sending an invititaion out? or is my friends laptop infected trying to get into whoever is on the network..?
[20:45] <James147> zus: There are very few viruses out there that affect linux mecheines so you should be safe to connect, just dont run anything as root that isent trusted
[20:46] <James147> zus: but i would get your friend to run an antivirus on their mechiene just incase :)
[20:47] <James147> zus: I would also advise not accepting anything that you dont know what it is just incase :S
[20:48] <zus> James147,  i get her getting avg right now.. i dont know what it is  my desktop sharing  is saying
[20:48] <unholyskorn> lol one of my relatives just called and i was like, WHAT? when i picked up the phone lol
[20:49] <zus> James147, refuse unimvited connection attemt from xxx.xxx.x.x (ip adress X'ed out)
[20:49] <James147> !virus | zus
[20:49] <James147> zus: you might find this intresting
[20:51] <zus> James147,  is something to do with  root and home  being on seprate partitions? cuz thats brilliant ! lol\
[20:52] <James147> zus: ^^ seprating / and /home shouldnt affect viruses at all, all the virsus would care about is the premision of / and /home (both should be owned by root)
[21:03] <zus> thanks James147  thats was a nice read...didnt think of the read/write permissions a virus would need
[21:09] <SliderMan> whats a good ssh client for kubuntu
[21:10] <BluesKaj> openssh
[21:10] <SliderMan> it has a UI?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> it will install both server and client
[21:10] <SliderMan> i dont want a server on my computer
[21:10] <SliderMan> just a ui client
[21:11] <BluesKaj> no ui
[21:11] <BluesKaj> just cli
[21:11] <SliderMan> nothiing else?
[21:11] <James147> SliderMan: a ssh client should be installed by default but has no UI, any reason you 'need' a ui?
[21:11] <BluesKaj> well, that's all I use
[21:11] <SliderMan> what ssh client is installed?
[21:12] <SliderMan> i want a UI so i can save a session
[21:12] <BluesKaj> check your package manager
[21:12] <James147> SliderMan: save a session?
[21:12] <SliderMan> yes
[21:12] <BluesKaj> oh like putty
[21:12] <SliderMan> when you type in an IP for ssh you can save that session and load it after without retyping the IP
[21:13] <SliderMan> yes putty style
[21:14] <BluesKaj> search in yourpackage manager, there might be one available
[21:14] <James147> SliderMan: not sure about a UI application, but ssh can use aliases so you dont ahve to remember the ip
[21:14] <SliderMan> so just type in ssh?
[21:15] <James147> SliderMan: ssh name  < and if name is stored in the aliases it will connect to the ip given to name
[21:15] <cjae> So if anyone cares, if you are having trouble with nouveau and tv out, and need to use the nvidia binary driver, but cannot get the nvidia settings gui to save to xorg. You must first run sudo nvidia-xconfig to get a copy of xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ then you must run sudo nvidia-settings and copy all the text from the show preview button. Then go to your home folder and create a new text file and paste all the text from the nvidia
[21:15] <cjae> -settings. Then chmod 644 to /home/yourname/xorg.conf and then move this file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot
[21:15] <SliderMan> how do i assign a name to an ip?
[21:16] <James147> SliderMan: http://www.innovatingtomorrow.net/2008/01/21/type-less-ssh-aliases  < try this
[21:18] <cjae> in 10.04
[21:18] <SliderMan> another one, how do i check 2d and 3d support in my system
[21:18] <sheytan> Hi guys
[21:18] <SliderMan> modprobe
[21:19] <sheytan> In karmic i had gimp in polish language out of box. In lucid i don't. Any ideas?
[21:19] <James147> cjae: should you not also "sudo chown root:root xorg.conf" as well?
[21:20] <SliderMan> James147, .ssh/config is empty
[21:20] <James147> SliderMan: create/modifiy it and add what the link told you to
[21:21] <SliderMan> ok ill
[21:21] <SliderMan> i think i have to restart for my ati driver to work
[21:21] <SliderMan> how do i check what modules were loaded and if my system has 2d/3d support?
[21:21] <SliderMan> there was also a command to check frames
[21:23] <BluesKaj> bah, typing a few commands to ssh isn't a big deal
[21:24] <zus> later guys thanks for the help again c-ya
[21:25] <James147> SliderMan: glxgears can test your 3d suppoort
[21:25] <James147> SliderMan: and glxinfo will give you some more information
[21:25] <ubuntu> k
[21:26] <SliderMan> how can i know whats good in glxinfo?
[21:26] <apparle> hi guys,,....
[21:26] <apparle> how is 10.04
[21:26] <SliderMan> its great
[21:27] <SliderMan> i have a bouncing ball!
[21:27] <James147> apparle: its good hear (fresh install) have heard a few problems with the upgrade though
[21:27] <SliderMan> seem to be ok
[21:27] <apparle> how is the upgrade from alpha2
[21:27] <SliderMan> 24802 frames in 5.0 seconds
[21:27] <SliderMan> is it good?
[21:27] <SliderMan> for glxgears
[21:28] <James147> apparle: upgrading from alpha should be less of an issue but how knows :D
[21:28] <James147> SliderMan: no clue, think it hihgly depends on your system hardware
[21:28] <progre55> hey guys, any fancy skype clients for kubuntu? or is it the standard skype that I need to use? :)
[21:28] <apparle> anyone found what is the keyboard shortcut to switch between tabs
[21:29] <James147> SliderMan: you doing alot better then me with 2039fp5s
[21:29] <progre55> oh and what are the shortcuts to switch between desktops?
[21:29] <apparle> James147: I have similar to you
[21:30] <James147> apparle: in what applications?
[21:30] <apparle> James147: the ones which we create using kwin
[21:30] <apparle> James147: grouping windows
[21:31] <James147> apparle: hmm, dont seem to ahve that option atm :S dose it require desktop effects to work?
[21:31] <apparle> no
[21:32] <apparle> actually i don't know
[21:32] <James147> apparle: might be bespin, one sec :S
[21:32] <apparle> James147:  you are on 10.04 right?
[21:32] <James147> apparle: yeah :D
[21:32] <James147> apparle: had the option in karmic though
[21:32]  * NJL is sure happy the upgrader works so well
[21:33] <apparle> James147: had you upgraded to KDE4.4
[21:33] <James147> apparle: the only way to get tabbed windows :)
[21:34] <James147> apparle:  :( it was bespin
[21:34] <apparle> James147: so you are not getting that option in 10.04.....
[21:34] <NJL> anybody have any idea how to make the tab plugin for Kate stay put?
[21:34] <James147> apparle: the option isnt there if you use the bespin window styles
[21:34] <apparle> James147: bespin?
[21:34] <saintly> bahh quit my a$$
[21:35] <progre55> I've added a panel, and how do I add applications into it? the menus only say "add widget"
[21:35] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update.
[21:35] <apparle> saintly: what happened
[21:35] <SliderMan> so james147, my card seem to be installed properly?
[21:35] <apparle> progre55: just drag
[21:35] <James147> SliderMan:  i would think so,  glxinfo will give you more details
[21:35] <saintly> ive downloaded the iso 3 times now, my computer keeps hibernating and stopping it from finishing, like half a MB before its done.
[21:35] <progre55> apparle: thanks, let me try )
[21:36] <SliderMan> so james147, what should i look for in glxinfo?
[21:36] <James147> apparle: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Bespin?content=63928 < bespin
[21:37] <scott_j> im using KUbuntu Lucid on my Dell Inspiron Laptop..while watching online video, my laptop shuts down automatically...on restarting, i get the message "Critical Temperature reached (92 C) shutting down" and then the desktop comes up
[21:37] <James147> apparle: hmm, having the windows disapear when i click on one tab then back on the first :s
[21:37] <janmalte> is there a deb for kdevelop 4?
[21:37] <scott_j> any way to fix this ?
[21:37] <saintly> 500.1 KiB/s
[21:37] <saintly> woot
[21:37] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update. any ideers? anyone?
[21:39] <scott_j> could this be a hardware issue ?
[21:39] <James147> janmalte: its in the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta  (or possibally the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports now) ppa  you can enable them, installed it and disable them if you dont want the other upgrades
[21:39] <apparle> saintly: use a download manager like kget or downthemall
[21:39] <janmalte> thanks
[21:39] <James147> saintly: If you can i suggest torrents, they can resume if you stop them 1/2 way though :) (or at least for next time)
[21:40] <janmalte> i just read about id at kde planet
[21:40] <janmalte> so i weant to have a look at at
[21:40] <saintly> alright, and what is kget?
[21:40] <apparle> saintly: google or use kpackage kit
[21:40] <James147> saintly: it is a downlaod manager that lets you pause/resume downlaods as well as other things
[21:41] <ratdog> :/
[21:41] <saintly> is it useable in Konsole?
[21:41] <James147> janmalte: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4
[21:42] <James147> saintly: its a gui application
[21:42] <fanti> hello! after upgrading to lucid my splash-screen at boot time looks very ugly. any ideas?
[21:42] <apparle> saintly: just install it
[21:42] <apparle> fanti: nvidia?
[21:42] <abhifx> hi there. my plymouth doesnt work with the error could not connect to plymouth. can anyone help?
[21:43] <fanti> apparle: ati with fglrx
[21:43] <SliderMan> it looks ugly for me too
[21:43] <janmalte> thanks James147, so i have to switch to lucid tommorow i think :)
[21:43] <James147> janmalte: it was in the ppas for karmic i think as well (or at least the betas for it where)
[21:43] <apparle> fanti: I dunno but I have heard nvidia guys have loser boot screen
[21:44] <James147> apparle: makes me not want to enable the nvidia drivers just yet :S
[21:44] <janmalte> ok, i will have a look. But i really need to switch to get a clean home directory and starting with a fresh and clean kubuntu :)
[21:44] <janmalte> thanks for the information
[21:45] <apparle> James147: who cares about the bootscreen .... on my computer I can't even see it
[21:45] <ratdog> KpackageKit / Software Updates : has a bug, cannot update. any ideers? anyone?
[21:46] <apparle> ratdog: start konsol
[21:46] <BluesKaj> ratdog, what's the error message ?
[21:46] <James147> apparle: :( i am just glad dual screen works with the open drivers now :) before i kept forgetting to unplug my monitor before using a live cd :(
[21:46] <coreberserker> fanti before upgrading to lucid did you have the fglrx drivers installed?
[21:47] <fanti> coreberserker: yes and everything worked fine
[21:47] <ratdog> BluesKaj where can i paste it
[21:47] <BluesKaj> !paste
[21:47] <apparle> !paste > ratdog
[21:47] <coreberserker> uninstall them and reboot and see if its still there
[21:48] <coreberserker> fanti I had the same problem but after removing the fglrx drivers it worked fine and you should still be able to use desktop effects
[21:49] <coreberserker> with out the drivers install* sorry  xD
[21:49] <fanti> coreberserker: i like to have the hardware acceleration support from fglrx, so i don't change the driver
[21:51] <progre55> hey guys, what are the shortcuts to switch between desktops?
[21:51] <seb_> hi there
[21:51] <seb_> ctrl F1, F2 etc
[21:51] <ratdog> BluesKaj http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:51] <seb_> what is the default package manager for kubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:52] <ratdog> thats mIRCsCripts pastebin >:>
[21:52] <coreberserker> fanti Ahh okay
[21:52] <ratdog> i had trouble with yers
[21:52] <seb_> hi
[21:52] <seb_> what is the default package manager for kubuntu 10.04 ?
[21:52] <seb_> kpackagekit ?
[21:52] <ratdog> yes
[21:53] <seb_> what a crap
[21:53] <ratdog> is it erroring?
[21:53] <apparle> seb_: have to do with it
[21:53] <anistein> you can set you own shortcut to switch desktop if you want
[21:54] <apparle> seb_: I prefer konsole apt-get
[21:54] <seb_> it's just almost useless tool. Just good for updates.
[21:54] <ratdog> thats nice
[21:54] <seb_> no
[21:54] <apparle> anistein: are you asking or answering
[21:54] <ep> For a karmic to lucid upgrage,  is a fresh install preferable to upgrading via some package manager or is it relatively equivalent?   ln the opinion you you folks.  ;)
[21:54] <ratdog> synaptic is superior to kpackage
[21:54] <seb_> search + update are okay. The rest is shit
[21:54] <janmalte> James147: just for your information. i can't find packages of kdevelop 4 for karmic
[21:54] <anistein> answering
[21:54] <apparle> ratdog: synaptic is very old
[21:54] <anistein> someone asked for the default short cut
[21:54] <ratdog> but worx apparle
[21:54] <apparle> kpackagekit is growing
[21:54] <janmalte> but i will switch to lucid in the next days
[21:55] <seb_> no listing of packages available on the system, or categories ....
[21:55] <apparle> ratdog: old as in mature
[21:55] <ratdog> i see
[21:55] <James147_> janmalte: if you ahve the backport or beta ppas then its just "kdevelop" i think
[21:55] <seb_> yes kpackagkit is growing, so sloooowwww. For me I see only cosmetic changes only since a YEAR now.
[21:55] <ratdog> anyhow BluesKaj or apparle can you have a look,  http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:56] <janmalte> i just found 3.9.95
[21:56] <_rs> hi guys this ->  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4 does not work. No kdevelop package after adding backports and updating the package list
[21:56] <apparle> ratdog: I am not sure but it is selected as standard because it can be used for yum etc for fedora etc... maintaining  consistency across different distros
[21:56] <James147_> seb_: kpackage kit dose have a category filter (located at the top on the line with the search text box)
[21:57] <James147_> janmalte: thats the beta (or alph) version of 4
[21:57] <ratdog> _rs you have the same probelm as me i thimk
[21:57] <ratdog> n
[21:57] <seb_> I don't want a filter per category for with a fucking string as input. I want just all packages within a category.
[21:57] <OxDeadC0de> has anyone had any success with the cpu frequency scaling applet(s) in 10.04?
[21:58] <ratdog> http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[21:58] <ratdog> _rs look at that
[21:58] <ratdog> look familiar
[21:58] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Which applets would those be?
[21:58] <_rs> ratdog: ok then, so it's not only me, I'll patiently wait for a fix
[21:58] <OxDeadC0de> benkay the cpu frequency scaling applets they would be, since those are the ones I mentioned
[21:59] <seb_> And honestly this drop down filter where you have to choose all options one by one is just, oh my good, so borring. I can't beleive the guy who wrote it uses it.
[21:59] <_rs> ratdog: no, I don't find the package to install, it's not there
[21:59] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Sorry... which applet specifically are you trying to use?  I ve been using kubuntu for 5 years now and this the last release I use. The quality has dropped so much, it's unbearable.
[22:02] <apparle> ratdog: have you ever tried apt-get
[22:02] <ratdog> yes
[22:03] <kaitos> did anyone else's compositing stop working after upgrading to lucid?
[22:03] <seb_> James147: thx let try that
[22:03] <ratdog> sudo apt-get update will work too?
[22:03] <adam__> hack me
[22:03] <adam__> ;p
[22:03] <seb_> category aare called "group" in kapackagekit
[22:04] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I tried installing that and got "Installing the package... failed." Is that what you got?
[22:04] <seb_> only 7 of them ,,,
[22:04] <apparle> ratdog: that will just update the lists
[22:04] <seb_> on my god
[22:04] <ratdog> o
[22:04] <seb_> hmm my mistake
[22:04] <James147> seb_: I have more tehn 7 (theres a scrool bar)
[22:04] <seb_> James147: right
[22:04] <James147> baa, tpying :(
[22:05] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: no, I'm using the c++ version, it loads and runs, but even after setting chmod +x on '/usr/bin/cpufreq-selector' it doesn't work, and manually executing cpufreq-selector takes 1-3 minutes for it to select the frequency I told it to
[22:05] <seb_> the user experience is ....
[22:05] <ep> For a karmic to lucid upgrage,  is a fresh install preferable to upgrading via some package manager or is it relatively equivalent?  I know in the old days, a fresh install was preferable but maybe things have improved.
[22:06] <seb_> so many options to choose in 2 square inches. the guy should look at what synaptic does do make good use of the real estate screen.
[22:06] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Could you give me a link to the version you installed?
[22:06] <seb_> I mean the designer of kpackagekit
[22:06] <apparle> ratdog: just wait for a min I'll get back to you
[22:06] <OxDeadC0de> kde's svn playground
[22:06] <ratdog> ok
[22:07] <James147> ep: I think a few people have had problems with the upgrade and I tend to prefure a fresh install :)  but if you create a livecd/usb you can always try the upgrade, and if it failes do a fresh
[22:07] <moderndayzero> yes fresh install all the way
[22:07] <seb_> since my upgrade to 10.04, KDE compositing is not working anymore with ATI fglrx. Anyone else encountering similar PB ?
[22:08] <kaitos> seb_: mine isn't working either, but i'm using the free driver
[22:08] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: ...
[22:08] <seb_> can you try fglrx ?
[22:08] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Sorry, but frankly, if it's not packaged, and it's unstable enought to be in SVN, you're probably looking for help in the wrong channel.
[22:09] <unholyskorn> I have a game I downloaded, it is a .sh file.  How do I install this game and play it?
[22:09] <OxDeadC0de> benkay somthing in ubuntu has changed, and is not allowing the applet _I wrote_ to work, something to do with cpu frequency scaling. So yeah, this is a right channel.
[22:09] <tukangturu> can help me
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> and SVN is not for unstable stuff dude
[22:10] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, well you failed to mention that *you* wrote the code ;-)
[22:10] <OxDeadC0de> lol
[22:10] <James147> unholyskorn: usually ./scriptname.sh   (or "sh scriptname.sh")
[22:10] <clintc_home> 10.4 did not like my ps/2 keyboard and mouse... it would just forget it had them at random times... runs great now with all usb stuff... noting this as a headsup to others
[22:11] <apparle> ratdog: do-release-upgrade is the command line upgrade software
[22:11] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Let's see... /trunk/playground/ where exactly am I looking now?
[22:11] <adam__> k3ops   EAT THISSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[22:11] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86:  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/cpufrequency-selector/
[22:11] <ratdog> apparle in konsole
[22:11] <unholyskorn> Is the default install drivers the best drivers for my video card?  ATi x800xt
[22:12] <apparle> ratdog: ya but I have never used it... I never do upgrades
[22:12] <ratdog> no new release
[22:13] <ratdog> interesting command
[22:13] <unholyskorn> yay, heroes of newerth for linux
[22:14] <ratdog> i reinstalled kpackage with synaptic, no luck
[22:14] <apparle> ratdog: sudo apt-get update and then do that
[22:14] <ratdog> ok
[22:15] <cjae> James147: does it matter?
[22:15] <James147> cjae: you should have user owned files where they shouldnet be
[22:15] <James147> shouldent ^^
[22:16] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from?
[22:16] <ratdog> same error
[22:16] <ratdog> it only happen when i press refresh
[22:17] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: looks like I need to update some of the source, the moc file in the repo is to old.. and I keep getting /usr/include/plasma/animator.h:26:37: error: QtCore/QAbstractAnimation: No such file or directory ><
[22:17] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from which version
[22:17]  * OxDeadC0de upgraded from 9.10 where it worked fine..
[22:17] <ratdog> georgiatech is the server apparle
[22:18] <ratdog> its a fresh install apparle
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: you are upgrading from 8.04?
[22:18] <ratdog> im on Lynx
[22:18] <ratdog> fresh
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: so where is the problem
[22:18] <apparle> ratdog: it should be uptodate
[22:18] <ratdog> kpackakerm
[22:18] <ratdog> erm
[22:18] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Well, that's clearly a distinct problem. I was hoping that http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/classSolid_1_1Processor.html would offer some means of setting the frequency, but alas...
[22:19] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I mean, it seems silly to have a KDE plasmoid depend on the gnome-applets package.
[22:19] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: For cpufreq-selector.
[22:19] <ratdog> apparle heres the error, http://www.mscripts.net/pb/434
[22:19] <ratdog> er,
[22:19] <apparle> ratdog: if you are just updateing the system
[22:19] <apparle> ratdog: do this "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[22:20] <apparle> ratdog: I thought you were trying to update from older version to 10.04 :D
[22:20] <cjae> James147: doesnt chmod do that?
[22:20] <ratdog> lol
[22:20] <ratdog> :)
[22:21] <cjae> James147: thought it was just two different ways of doing it
[22:21] <James147> cjae: chmod changes the premision on the file, not the owner
[22:21] <apparle> ratdog: those two commands do everything except an upgrade to newer version of distro :D
[22:21] <ratdog> somthins wrong with ok thnx
[22:21] <ratdog> oops
[22:21] <ratdog> ok thnx
[22:21] <James147> cjae: chmod will change read write and execute, chown will change the owner and group
[22:21] <ratdog> cause somthins buggy with kpackage in Linx
[22:21] <cjae> James147: but I thought essentially they are the same thing
[22:22] <ratdog> Lynx
[22:22] <James147> cjae: not at all
[22:23] <James147> cjae: if one person owns the file with 700 premision then someone else cant edit it, if you chown it to a new user then the first cant edit it but the new user can
[22:23] <penguin> I can't get kubuntu to run in virtualbox
[22:24] <cjae> James147: how to check ownership again?
[22:24] <penguin> I can't get kubuntu to run in virtualbox. Can you help?
[22:24] <moderndayzero> so yea i was messing with VBA and the sound lags any clue?
[22:25] <James147> cjae: ls -l    will give you a list of files in teh current directory along with their premissions and owner  (add a path to the end to list the files in that path)
[22:25] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: the applet doesn't depend on gnome-applets, it depends on cpufrequtils :P
[22:26] <OxDeadC0de> and the cpufreq modules in the kernel ofc
[22:26] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: So here we have a way to change the cpu *policy* with solid, but it's not clear if we can actually set the frequency directly: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdebase-workspace-apidocs/solid/html/classSolidPowermanagement.html
[22:26] <James147> penguin: can you give more details on why you cant run it? (what host, where it fails etc) we need more information to be able to help
[22:27] <cjae> James147: so what would be the all in one command to set own and perm for xorg.conf
[22:27] <penguin> I installed kubuntu in virtualbox and it won't boot! It's stuck on the kubuntu loading screen!
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: the applet in question simply uses "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu%s/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies" to retreive available frequencies (and a file in that dir for governers, then two more files in that dir for current freq/gov)
[22:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: then it uses cpufreq-selector cli app and exec() to change them
[22:28] <ubuntu> hi
[22:29] <penguin> i'm waiting...
[22:29] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, indeed. You're using cpufreq-set rather than cpufreq-selector. That makes a lot more sense.
[22:29] <James147> cjae: sudo chown root:root /etc/X11/xorg.conf && sudo chmod 644 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:30] <OxDeadC0de> ohhh yeah so I am, "cpufreq-set -c %s -g userspace"
[22:31] <James147> cjae: that will make the owner and group root and allow root to read/write and everyone else to read it
[22:31] <James147> cjae: if you use 600 instead then no one will be able to read it (execpt root)
[22:31] <cjae> James147: thank you for answering, I would have totally forgot about that it been awhile since had to do anything like this :/ but good practice :)
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> ... or "cpufreq-set -c " + QString::number(top->cpu) + " -f " + (*iter).orig;
[22:32] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Out of curiosity, have you checked to see if some other app (maybe powerdevil) is switching the governor away from userspace on you? That would certainly prevent you from setting the frequency manually.
[22:32] <ryrych> hello, after clean install I'm experiencing sudden restarts of KDE (to login screen) - how can I check (in which log) which app is responsible for?
[22:32] <James147> cjae: you welcome :)
[22:32] <James147> your :( why do i keep missing keys :S
[22:32]  * cjae appologizes to ubuntu for not putting a complete workaround earlier
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: it's not that, I was able to manually set the frequency&governor through the cli, but I used selector and not set
[22:33] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Did you get any potentially useful info from exec()?
[22:34] <penguin> Here. I'm running virtualbox and downloaded the new 10.04 of kubuntu yesterday. I installed it and tried to boot from it and all it does is go to the booting screen and freezes up! Can you help?
[22:35] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: http://pastebin.com/LUxqDE0Z
[22:35] <penguin> come on! is anyone listening!!?!?!?!?
[22:36] <James147> penguin: we are, just not entirly sure whats wrong
[22:36] <benkay86> penguin: It sometimes takes people a little while to respond.
[22:37] <chilan> penguin: i just booted the kubuntu 10.04 in a kvm
[22:37] <penguin> oh. and the installer is SUPER SLOW on virtualbox also.
[22:37]  * James147 is installing vbox now....
[22:38] <OxDeadC0de> hahaha sorry benkay86, all I had to do was sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/cpufreq-set, woot
[22:38] <penguin> I run: Gateway e-4000, 2.00ghz , 1GB ram, what ram does kubuntu need?
[22:38] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: I was about to suggest that :-)
[22:39] <cjae> James147: know anything about nouveau?
[22:39] <James147> cjae: nop
[22:39] <cjae> k
[22:39] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Although (and I know everyone hates a backseat coder) it might be worthwhile to find a way to do this with the solid api. So that your applet will play nice with powerdevil profiles and all.
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: none of the api's yet allow setting frequencies, only retreiving which are available
[22:39] <cjae> will compiz work without direct rendering?
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: at one point they were talking about making scriptrunners that could do it though
[22:40] <ratdog> wow, the plasma widget install has really improved on Lynx
[22:40] <ratdog> installer
[22:40] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh well, ho hum, something to take up with the KDE devs.
[22:40] <benkay86> penguin: Allocating 512 MB to the virtual machine ought to be sufficient. What host operating system are you using?
[22:41] <penguin> I run Windows XP Pro SP3 and I gave it 386MB of ram.
[22:42] <benkay86> penguin: Still ought to work, or at least give you a more informative error message.
[22:42] <benkay86> penguin: Could you describe what exactly happens when you start the virtual machine?
[22:43] <penguin> should I give it 512MB?
[22:43] <benkay86> penguin: Nah... 384 really should work.
[22:43] <ryrych> arghhh! again restart :(
[22:44] <ratdog> allways nice when ya find a lost $50 dollar bill you dint know you had
[22:44] <ratdog> >:>
[22:44] <ryrych> http://pastie.org/941879 can anyone take a look at this?
[22:44] <ryrych> new kernel or X aren't work for me :(
[22:44] <ryrych> (probably)
[22:44] <penguin> I start it. It boots from grub and it displays the spash screen for kubuntu. After about a 2 minutes, it frezzes and does nothing. Nothing except when i go send shutdown signal.
[22:45] <benkay86> ryrych: That log doesn't look profound to me. Anything interesting in /var/log/syslog?
[22:45] <CartoonCat> init:plymouth main process (82) killed by SEGV signal            Any ideas on how to fix this? I have access to the partition from another os
[22:45] <benkay86> penguin: When you say it boots from grub, does that mean that you've already installed Kubuntu?  It won't load the full desktop though...
[22:48] <benkay86> penguin: You might well get it to load the full LiveCD by increasing the amount of RAM allocated, then.
[22:49] <benkay86> penguin: Could you elaborate on what you mean by "splash screen"?
[22:49] <penguin> benkay86: I'll try that. thanks!
[22:49] <benkay86> penguin: That is, are you referring to the plymouth splash or the KDE splash?
[22:49] <ryrych> benkay86: they're repeated action: http://pastie.org/941886
[22:49] <penguin> where it says kubuntu and actually starts the os...
[22:50] <ryrych> (and again experienced restart)
[22:50] <c3l_> wtf is this. im writing from my laptop, I recently installed kubuntu 10.04 and now I tried to reboot my system kubuntu doesnt start. the computer just gets completely quiet and nonresponsive, no harddrive activity or w/e. but all lights etc are lit. also the screen is black. not even capslock on/of is responsive. how do I fix this?
[22:50] <chilan> cool, krucks from Gt?
[22:50] <benkay86> penguin: Like this? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1PykOXo2c5I/S7KpNRBy9II/AAAAAAAAAKw/TV5b7dboNWk/s1600/kubuntu-plymouth.png
[22:52] <benkay86> ryrych: Sorry, but I still don't see anything in that log that would suggest a crash. Are you using any experimental/staging/restricted modules? What are you typically doing when you get a restart?
[22:52] <penguin> yes!
[22:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> Hello all - One quick question... Is installing Ubuntu 10.04 and then getting KDE the same as installing Kubuntu 10.04?
[22:53] <benkay86> penguin: If that's the screen you're getting stuck on, it probably means that the X server isn't/is unable to start. Would you mind trying to allocate a bit more RAM (say at least 512 MB) and report back?
[22:53] <apparle> RnFstRuckHrd: no its totally different
[22:54] <apparle> !install
[22:54] <apparle> !kubuntu
[22:54] <c3l_> RnFstRuckHrd, basically.. but you will have a double set of programs and so if installing kde afterwards. but thats fixable
[22:54] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Installing the kubuntu-desktop package? Yes, more or less. Obviously, if you do things the way you described, then ubuntu-desktop will remain installed.
[22:54] <penguin> be back in a little while reporting how it goes. thx!
[22:55] <benkay86> penguin: good luck
[22:55] <ryrych> benkay86: do you have any advice for me? :)
[22:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> SO if my end goal is to have a clean install of kubuntu... it is easier to re-format with a Kubuntu 10.04 CD then try and get there with an already installed Ubuntu 10.04?
[22:55] <benkay86> ryrych: Any suspect kernel modules? Any activity that brings on a crash?
[22:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> no worries about data loss as I have already backed up by the way
[22:55] <ryrych> benkay86: no, it's random, the installation is clear
[22:55] <c3l_> RnFstRuckHrd, when you get into your loginmanaager you will be able to choose which desktopenvironment will be used
[22:56] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: if you want a clean install of kubuntu its easier to reinstall it but you with some work you can install and remove the require packages
[22:56] <benkay86> ryrych: Are you using a wireless card? If so, which one (try running lspci)?
[22:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> Oh hello again JAmes147!  TY
[22:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - by the way - found a way to get 10.04 working on my Dell INspiron 700M (if you remember me venting the other day)
[22:57] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: i do :) what did you do?
[22:57] <ryrych> benkay86: 02:03.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[22:57] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Reformatting and installing from a Kubuntu install media is certainly one option. If you're already running Ubuntu 10.04 and you want to completely switch, it is not so difficult to do that without reinstalling.
[22:57] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - look here at Twrock's last post. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029&highlight=Dell+700M+blacklisted&page=2
[22:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> benkay86 - I would install KDE and remove GNOME, yes?
[22:58] <benkay86> ryrych: Ah... seen this bug before. As I recall, your wireless driver is in staging. Uh... Bug #482346
[22:58] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: installing KDE will not remove gnome
[22:58] <Dragnslicer> !purekde | RnFstRuckHrd
[22:59] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: Well, apparently the Ubuntu chat bot knows all!
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> TY all for the help - sorry for the n00bish Qs :-s
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> benkay86 - fact
[22:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> is it an actual robot?
[22:59] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: its a program designed to respond to things
[23:00] <benkay86> RnFstRuckHrd: If by robot you mean "not human" then yes. If by robot you mean like from Lost In Space then no.
[23:00] <RnFstRuckHrd> i see
[23:00] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol - no, I was not taking it that far
[23:00] <benkay86> Actually, it's slacking off. Usually it would give a link to the bug I cited.
[23:00] <James147> !ubottu | RnFstRuckHrd
[23:01] <benkay86> Oh God, it's self aware!
[23:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - nice, thx :-D
[23:01] <James147> benkay86: lol
[23:01] <ryrych> benkay86: fffuuu... but the 9.10 wasn't affected :)
[23:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol - thats how it starts
[23:01] <benkay86> ryrych: Well then you're going to hate this suggestion, but it might be worth disabling your wireless card and then seeing if you still get the random crashes.
[23:01] <James147> benkay86: but at least it insnt intellegent... yet :)
[23:02] <benkay86> James147: It's more intelligent than some people I know ;-)
[23:03]  * ScorpKing waves..
[23:03]  * apparle waves back
[23:03] <benkay86> ryrych: Otherwise, you're problem sounds like a kernel issue. You might try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/CrashdumpRecipe
[23:03] <ScorpKing> :)
[23:04] <ryrych> benkay86: can you give me link to that error's description? can't find it :(
[23:05] <benkay86> ryrych: That's because the ubottu was sleeping on the job! Let's try it again. ubottu, could you please give us a link to Launchpad Bug #482346
[23:05] <benkay86> Oh well, I guess if you want something done properly, you have to do it yourself: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/482346
[23:06] <benkay86> Basically, it was a friend with an MSI Wind. I think he had the same wireless card as you. After he replaced the wirless card with an Intel one, he didn't get any more random crashes.
[23:07] <ScorpKing> !bug #482346
[23:07] <ScorpKing> hmm.. where's the bot gone to?
[23:07] <benkay86> See? Nothing!
[23:07] <ScorpKing> yep
[23:07] <ryrych> benkay86: thanks
[23:07] <benkay86> ryrych: Just to check, could you "lsmod | grep 8139" so that I can see which module you're using?
[23:08] <benkay86> Now did he quit or crash?
[23:09] <ScorpKing> !bot
[23:09] <ScorpKing> ah thats better :)
[23:09] <James147> benkay86: try a different bug report ^^
[23:09] <James147> benkay86: he might not know about that one yet... maby
[23:09] <benkay86> It's almost 6 months old!
[23:10] <James147> benkay86: he could be alittle slow...
[23:10] <James147> :)
[23:10] <benkay86> Fine... I do wish they'd do something about this already. Launchpad Bug #326555
[23:11] <benkay86> bug 326555
[23:11] <benkay86> Maybe it's running on an MS machine?
[23:11] <James147> benkay86: hmm maby he forgot about the bugs :S possibally connection error to the bug database?
[23:11] <CartoonCat> for referance, recovery mode does not work unless you also load the initrd, where in pre upgrade to 10.04 it was not needed for booting, but now seams to be required
[23:12] <benkay86> Yeah, that makes sense. But it's more fun to invent alternative explanations.
[23:12] <unholyskorn> Can someone help me?  I am looking for video card drivers for my ATi X800XT so I can play games.  Kubuntu 10.4
[23:12] <ryrych> benkay86: http://pastie.org/941908 but I've used it since 9.10 and it was ok
[23:12] <CartoonCat> unholyskorn: #ati
[23:12] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I always sort of assumed that initrd was mandatory regardless. Good to know, though.
[23:12] <unholyskorn> CartoonCat I was told not to use the ATi drivers
[23:13] <unholyskorn> My card is older or something
[23:14] <CartoonCat> benkay86: with my setup, nothing in /dev/sda7/boot is not accessable to grub, so i was not able to load it, worked fine with out it, but after the upgrade to 10.04, its required, so i have to move the init over to /dev/sda6/boot, now i at least am able to get a console, and should be able to finish upgrading from here
[23:15] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Umm... sounds complicated. Good luck!
[23:15] <CartoonCat> benkay86:  not really, but luck i need, iwconfig looks screwed so no net access =\
[23:16] <CartoonCat> iwconfig wlan0 essid Wireless       and it shows the essid as a bunch of escaped hex!
[23:16] <benkay86> ryrych: Yep, that's the staging driver. I guess you could: 1) Try reverting to the 9.10 kernel 2) Try going without wireless for a bit to see if that's the problem 3) Try capture kernel crash dumps for information.
[23:16] <CartoonCat> ! omg this is a great bug
[23:16] <benkay86> CartoonCat: So you're upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04?
[23:16] <ryrych> benkay86: thanks man!
[23:17] <ryrych> benkay86: how can I disable driver safely for a moment?
[23:17] <CartoonCat> benkay86: i was, it said it needed to reboot, then i was left in this state
[23:18] <CartoonCat> ok so iwconfig has a bug, use the essid "Wireless" and its wrong, use ANY other string, and its right
[23:19] <benkay86> ryrych: Well obviously if you're using your wireless card to IRC, disabling the driver will cause issues. Otherwise, you could blacklist 8139too and 8139cp in /etc/modprobe.d. You might have to "sudo update-initramfs -u" afterwards. And reboot, obviously, but you've been having no trouble doing that ;-)
[23:20] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I'm all for oldschool network management, but might it be better to use network-manager to configure your wireless?
[23:20] <CartoonCat> benkay86: sure that would work <if i was in a gui>
[23:20] <CartoonCat> X/KDE is not laoding, broekn upgrade state remember
[23:21] <benkay86> CartoonCat: You could add the connection to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[23:21] <saintly> hmm
[23:21] <saintly> Alright, so first things first, no wifi...
[23:21] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Also, ethernet ought to come up all by itself.
[23:21] <saintly> no sound..
[23:21] <saintly> no way to change theme that i can see..
[23:21] <saintly> this is interesting
[23:22] <saintly> firstly can anyone help me here with wifi
[23:22] <CartoonCat> benkay86: ethernet would be handy, if i had any available (my ap is out in the shop, part of my wireless i get from my network, no ethernet involved at all)
[23:22] <benkay86> CartoonCat: :-(
[23:23] <CartoonCat> it will be easier/faster to jsut change the essid of my ap =)
[23:23] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Might look into system-connections then. Or mess with iwconfig/dhclient
[23:23] <benkay86> saintly: Can you tell us more about why your wifi isn't working?
[23:23] <saintly> My "wireless" choice is grayed out, cant even select it.
[23:24] <CartoonCat> wow this is SAD. what ever iwconfigs issue is, it is ONLY with "Wireless" for a essid, "wireless" is ok, as is any other string i have tried
[23:24] <ScorpKing> benkay86: it's broken ;)
[23:24] <benkay86> saintly: Grayed out under where? The knetworkmanager applet in your system tray?
[23:24] <saintly> any ideas benkay86
[23:24] <benkay86> ScorpKing: You mean ubottu?
[23:24] <OxDeadC0de> -- /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so not found with php5 -v, anyone know why? (after upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04)
[23:24] <saintly> in Manage Connections
[23:25] <ScorpKing> benkay86: no. saintly's wifi :)
[23:25] <benkay86> ScorpKing: Well obviously, but I'm not ubottu -- I need more information before I can fix it!
[23:25] <James147> saintly: whats the output of "ifconfig"?
[23:25] <ScorpKing> benkay86: hehe.. just kidding ;) i called the bot back earlier.
[23:25] <saintly> James147: and how do i find that?
[23:25] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: For starters, you could try using dpkg-query and apt-file to see if a package owns the missing file.
[23:25] <ScorpKing> !upgrade
[23:26] <James147> saintly: open konsole (or any other terminal) and type: ifconfig   then hit enter
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: php5-mhash
[23:26] <OxDeadC0de> well, php5-mhash should I'd think
[23:26] <James147> then:
[23:26] <James147> !pastebin | saintly
[23:27] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Is the file truly missing from the filesystem? If so, reinstalling the package that owns it might bring the file back and solve your problem.
[23:27] <vadi01> chromium browsers google search engine does not work . any one with a similar issue?
[23:27] <saintly> James147: alright did it, now what info from it do i need to be looking at?
[23:28] <James147> saintly: it should list all your networking cards see if you wireless one is there (usually wlan0)
[23:28] <benkay86> saintly: From a terminal, could you please run "ifconfig -a | grep wlan0"? If you have a wireless card recognized by your kernel, it should spit somethin out.
[23:28]  * OxDeadC0de sighs
[23:28] <c3l__> when starting a wine application one of my screens is going black for 3-5 seconds. why? how to fix?
[23:28] <benkay86> Oh, sorry, James147 already covered that.
[23:28] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: looks like php5-mhash was removed in 10.04 as mhash is provided by php5 itself, which somehow didn't install the mhash.so for me durring the upgrade
[23:29] <James147> benkay86: grepping wlan0 wont always work, i have had ra0  and eth1 as weireless cards ebfore
[23:29] <c3l__> and why is ESD as sound driver gone in wine (10.04)... I can no longer hear sound through spotify..!
[23:29] <benkay86> James147: Oh, good point.
[23:29] <OxDeadC0de> but I'm using php5-cgi and not mod php5 which could be why.... =|
[23:29] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Yes, it could be.
[23:30] <progre55> hey guys, what the hack is nepomukservices?
[23:30] <saintly> james147: benkay86: no wlan0, i used both methods guys.
[23:30] <saintly> it came up with eth0 and lo
[23:30] <James147> progre55: nepomuk indexes files to allot quick searching as well as tagging of files and folders
[23:30] <benkay86> saintly: In that case, your wireless card is most likely not being detected by your kernel. Would you happen to know what make and/or model it is?
[23:30] <saintly> hmm
[23:30] <saintly> lol
[23:30] <progre55> James147: oh I see. thanks
[23:30] <saintly> i have no clue
[23:31] <James147> saintly: that would suggest that it cant see your wireless card (unless you dont have a ethernet port ;)  )
[23:31] <saintly> i have an ethernet port, its got a jack in it right now so i can talk to you kind folks.
[23:32] <saintly> Benkay86: how would i find out my wireless card.
[23:32] <James147> saintly: "lspci | grep Network" should tell you
[23:32] <saintly> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 4353 (rev 01)
[23:33] <benkay86> Oh dear. Broadcom.
[23:33] <saintly> lol may as well be swahili, for all i can undersatnd of it.
[23:33] <James147> benkay86: heh, same thourght here :(
[23:33] <saintly> this is bothersome eh
[23:34] <saintly> i was using the same card eariler with a 10.04(updated from 9.10 )
[23:34] <James147> saintly: Broadcom cards have had problems in the past :( havent looked into their current state though
[23:34] <James147> saintly: hmm
[23:34] <ScorpKing> !broadcom
[23:35] <saintly> so i know it works lol. just obviously not with a clean start.
[23:35] <benkay86> I think that card may be ndiswrappes only. Fortunately, I haven't had to use ndiswrappers in some time so, unfortunately, I don't remember how to set that up.
[23:35] <benkay86> But apparently the ubottu does. Thanks, buddy.
[23:35] <ScorpKing> !bcm
[23:35] <ScorpKing> hmm..
[23:35] <ScorpKing> broadcom always seem to give someone hell
[23:35] <saintly> alright, also one more thing
[23:36] <benkay86> As I recall, all of their drivers are reverse engineered since the company refuses to help out the kernel devs in any way.
[23:36] <saintly> my Firefox installer said the package is already there but uh. the package is NOT there.
[23:37] <benkay86> saintly: aptitude show firefox | grep State
[23:38] <saintly> State: not a real package
[23:38] <saintly> ROFL
[23:38] <James147> saintly: try installing it manually though kpakcage kit
[23:38] <saintly> kk
[23:38] <benkay86> saintly: That doesn't seem right.
[23:39] <benkay86> That it's "not a real package"
[23:39] <saintly> lolll
[23:40] <saintly> thats what it told me capn
[23:40] <James147> saintly: or try "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install firefox"
[23:40] <James147> benkay86: might be because if a lack of updating the package lists?
[23:41] <benkay86> James147: Maybe. Or some weird PPA that's providing a different firefox package. As far as I know, it's not supposed to be a metapackage.
[23:41] <James147> getting "not installed" when i do it
[23:41] <benkay86> James147: Or "installed" in my case, seeing as Konqueror *still* doesn't play nice with Google Maps.
[23:42] <James147> benkay86: been using chromium here :)
[23:42] <benkay86> James147: Ah, Chroium is nice. Can't live without the FF plugins myself, though. Irregardless, they really ought to switch the default away from Konqueror.
[23:42] <saintly> alright urgent one now lol
[23:43] <saintly> it asked me to install new packages, flashplayer and what not
[23:43] <James147> benkay86: chromium has plugins now, with the list availble growing daily :)
[23:43] <benkay86> saintly: Could you pastebin the complete output of "aptitude show firefox"
[23:43] <saintly> i went through and installed
[23:43] <benkay86> James147: Chromium certtainly is faster. Perhaps I'll try it again someday.
[23:43] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Any luck?
[23:44] <CartoonCat> benkay86: none
[23:44] <paulo> olá
[23:44] <benkay86> CartoonCat :-(
[23:44] <CartoonCat> i have 2 AP's, both are giving me issues
[23:44] <paulo> :)
[23:44] <penguin_> hello. I got the same problem from earlier
[23:44] <CartoonCat> im going to have to climb up on the roof and break open the panel and plug in a cable
[23:44] <saintly> omggggggggggggggggggggg
[23:45] <saintly> Package: firefox
[23:45] <saintly> New: yes
[23:45] <saintly> State: not installed
[23:45] <saintly> Version: 3.6.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4
[23:45] <FloodBotK1> saintly: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:45] <benkay86> penguin: What happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+F2 in the virtual machine?
[23:45] <paulo> Im from Brazil :)
[23:45] <benkay86> saintly: pastebin, man!
[23:45] <saintly> this is brilliant
[23:45] <saintly> im sooo frustrated
[23:45] <James147> saintly: looks like you should be albe to install it now
[23:45] <benkay86> paulo: Always a pleasure to have international visitors.
[23:46] <saintly> james147: its ALREADY installed! according my computer!
[23:46] <James147> saintly: whats telling you that its installed?
[23:46] <saintly> the installERR
[23:47] <James147> saintly: ignore the installer, run "sudo aptitude install firefox"
[23:47] <CartoonCat> benkay86: my aps dont use encryption
[23:47] <saintly> i already did!
[23:47] <CartoonCat> dont need it, i use a hotspot upstream
[23:47] <James147> what happens if you try to run "firefox"
[23:47] <James147> saintly: ^^
[23:47] <vadi01> how come i cant use the guest account feature in kubuntu?
[23:47] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: just had to remove the old file: /etc/php5/*/conf.d/mhash.ini
[23:48] <benkay86> CartoonCat: And you still can't associate?
[23:48] <CartoonCat> with one, i get "deauthenticating from MAC by local choise" the other i get a directed probe timeout
[23:48] <saintly> there is NO runn firefoxx
[23:48] <benkay86> OxDeadC0de: Oh, the many joys of /etc cruft. Glad you were able to figure it out.
[23:48] <James147> saintly: i mean type "firefox" in the terminal and hit enter
[23:49] <OxDeadC0de> benkay86: heh, figured out that warning, but still php5 cgi+apache are failing.. I'm sure I'll get it eventually ;)
[23:50] <saintly> have you ever wanted to take some det cord and just wrapp ur processor like a birthday present?
[23:50] <benkay86> CartoonCat: I don't know what to tell you. I'm assuming your MAC address isn't blacklisted since you were able to associate before...
[23:50] <saintly> >:(
[23:50] <paulo> alguém do Brasil ?
[23:50] <CartoonCat> benkay86: nope, havent changed any settings on the AP
[23:51] <BluesKaj> !pt | paulo
[23:51] <benkay86> paulo: #ubuntu-pt
[23:51] <CartoonCat> benkay86:  i had issues connecting to the one before anyhow (directed probe timeout)
[23:52] <benkay86> CartoonCat: Make sure you aren't fighting with NetworkManger for control of the nic. "sudo stop network-manager"
[23:53] <paulo> thanks
[23:54] <benkay86> James147: I guess we'll never find out what happened.
[23:54] <James147> benkay86:  :(
[23:54] <CartoonCat> benkay86: reloaded the module, seams to have helped
[23:54] <James147> benkay86: you know if the firefox installer dose anything spical except install "firefox"?
[23:54] <CartoonCat> so aptitude away! heh
[23:54] <saintly> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4353] (rev 01)
[23:55] <saintly> umm
[23:55] <saintly> NO device brand
[23:55] <CartoonCat> saintly: you dont need a device brand
[23:55] <saintly> Cartooncat: what do i need
[23:55] <CartoonCat> go check the B43 driver and make sure it has full suport for that card (the 14e4:4353)
[23:55] <saintly> how do i do that
[23:56] <CartoonCat> google b43 support list, or ask the fellows in #bcm-users
[23:58] <saintly> half a million ppl in these rooms and nobody talking
[23:58] <benkay86> James147: It might also remove itself from the menu. Not really sure.
[23:58] <moderndayzero> anyone know of a good  free screen recorder for linux?
[23:59] <benkay86> moderndayzero: Not offhand, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts