[12:56] <justdave> carlos: I think that rule is stupid ("it" for persons being considered derogatory)
[12:56] <justdave> and English is my native language :)
[12:57] <justdave> you know how hard it is trying to write politically correct documentation with no gender-neutral pronoun to refer to a singular person? :)
[12:58] <carlos> justdave: well, I know the rule, and I'm not unhappy with it, the problem is that althought I know it, I never use it in my mails...
[12:58] <carlos> justdave: :-P
[12:59] <justdave> One of these days the academics will decide that it's legal to use "they" as a singular. :)  Most people already do it anyway, you just get points marked off for using it on school papers.
[01:01] <carlos> next month I will retake my english studies (about 8 years since last time), I will propose it there :-P
[01:02] <jblack> justdave: I love those pedantics. I think that somewhere along the line they forgot that language is nothing more than an informal agreement for what things mean.
[01:06] <carlos> good night
[01:06] <carlos> see you tomorrow
[01:07] <carlos> daf: perhaps I will be late tomorrow morning, I have a meeting about ubuntu in my university but I will be here before the meeting
[01:07] <carlos> (before the Rosetta meeting)
[10:53] <daf> morning
[10:54] <lulu> daf:hey! did u have a good weekend?
[10:54] <daf> yeah, it was pretty good
[10:54] <daf> I managed to get some GNOME translation work done, finally
[10:55] <daf> how about you?
[10:56] <lulu> excellent thanks! busy - bought 3 beds and a sofa for my new flat! lotsa mates,
[10:56] <lulu> now big work push this week.
[10:57] <daf> yep
[11:39] <SteveA> hi
[11:39] <daf> hi Steve
[11:40] <SteveA> I'm going to be doing email stuff for a while.  Ping me on jabber if you need something.
[11:41] <daf> sure
[01:15] <SteveA> daf: I'm having a soyuz meeting at the same time you'll be having your daily rosetta meeting.  Can you ensure that the code on rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com is up to date please?
[01:15] <carlos> morning
[01:16] <SteveA> hi carlos
[01:21] <daf> SteveA: assuming the server's running and no changes have been made to the database schema or sample data, it should be within half an hour of being up-to-date
[01:21] <daf> SteveA: is that good enough?
[01:46] <SteveA> daf: the meeting it in 15 minutes
[01:46] <SteveA> daf: oh, I see what you mean :-)
[01:47] <SteveA> for a second, I thought you meant that the server would take up to 30 minutes' work to update
[01:52] <SteveA> good morning debonzi
[01:54] <daf> SteveA: heh :)
[01:54] <debonzi> SteveA, Goog Morning
[02:00] <SteveA> hi cprov
[02:01] <spiv> Just waiting for kiko?
[02:01] <cprov> SteveA: morning, sorry, I'm  a bit late .
[02:02] <SteveA> debonzi, cprov, spiv: Can we go to #launchpad-meeting?  #canonical-meeting is occupied with an arch team meeting, and #launchpad will be occupied with a rosetta team meeting
[02:03] <daf> meetings galore :)
[02:04] <carlos> daf: what's galore?
[02:05] <daf> carlos: "galore" means "in abundance"
[02:05] <carlos> :-P
[02:05] <daf> i.e. there are lots of them
[02:05] <SteveA> carlos: read books by "enid blighton" to get the correct "galore" idiom :-)
[02:06] <SteveA> it is about as obselete a term as those books are
[02:06] <daf> s/blighton/blyton/, IIRC
[02:06] <SteveA> oh, like bryton
[02:06] <carlos> SteveA: I think I should learn more current words before :-)
[02:07] <daf> golly, do let's start the meeting
[02:07] <carlos> daf: lalo is not here yet
[02:07] <SteveA> gosh, I do hope it will be a corker.
[02:08] <SteveA> I think the andelusian dialect would be an appropriate complement to mid-last-century english
[02:09] <SteveA> at least, that's what antonio banderas' character spoke in in the spanish version of "shrek 2"
[02:10] <daf> heh :)
[02:10] <carlos> SteveA: It's hard for me to understand some spanish people from andalucia (and I had a girldfriend from there)
[02:10] <daf> well, lalo is jolly late and I shall have to give him what for!
[02:11] <SteveA> if he's any later, you should jolly well give him what five and six too!
[02:11] <carlos> daf: ok
[02:12] <daf> Five Go Writing a Web Application
[02:18] <SteveA> daf: I think you should start without lalo
[02:18] <SteveA> maybe consider phoning him
[02:20] <daf> I think we'll start without him
[02:20] <daf> carlos: ok?
[02:20] <carlos> daf: yes
[02:20] <daf> right
[02:21] <daf> first of all, how was your weekend?
[02:21] <carlos> daf: my first relaxed weekend since Oxford
[02:21] <carlos> so, it was fine. Thanks
[02:21] <daf> that's good to hear :)
[02:22] <daf> plus, you managed to relax *and* close a bug
[02:22] <carlos> :-P
[02:23] <daf> ok, what are you planning on working on today?
[02:23] <carlos> finishe the preferences page
[02:24] <carlos> and work on create the import process
[02:24] <daf> what needs doing to it?
[02:24] <daf> is there a bug?
[02:24] <carlos> daf: yes, let me look for it
[02:24] <carlos> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1951
[02:25] <carlos> and https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1931
[02:25] <daf> ah, the password changing
[02:25] <carlos> daf: I'm planning to add there for free name change
[02:26] <daf> bonus :)
[02:26] <carlos> yes :-)
[02:26] <daf> I'm going to be working on:
[02:26] <daf> #1929 (project import request)
[02:27] <daf> I think this one is nearly done -- I think the problems I'm having are related to my local mail setup rather than bugs in the code
[02:27] <carlos> do you want some testing from me?
[02:28] <daf> no, I think I'll test that one, since the mails will go to me
[02:28] <daf> I'm also going to work on the template/PO file upload
[02:28] <daf> I can't find the bug number...
[02:28] <carlos> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1919
[02:28] <daf> ah, #1919
[02:29] <carlos> :-)
[02:29] <daf> this one is not marked alpha-critical -- is that correct?
[02:30] <carlos> yes, is correct
[02:30] <carlos> hmm
[02:30] <carlos> well, perhaps not as correct as I thought
[02:30] <carlos> the pot import is not critical, the .po import could be
[02:30] <daf> I think it's OK
[02:31] <carlos> ok
[02:31] <daf> if people upload templates and PO files, do we treat them as ones from revision control?
[02:32] <carlos> daf: no, they should have a flag that comes from other source
[02:32] <carlos> ok
[02:34] <carlos> We need to add a new RosettaTranslationOrigin type for "Web upload" or something like that we only have : 1.- SCM  2.- Rosetta
[02:34] <daf> that makes sense
[02:36] <daf> the web upload is more or less working
[02:36] <daf> the main problem is with permissions
[02:36] <carlos> daf: we still have some schema changes but nobody answered when I sent them about two weeks ago...
[02:36] <daf> yes?
[02:36] <carlos> daf: what kind of permissions?
[02:37] <carlos> daf: yes, labels without unique keys and thinks like that
[02:37] <carlos> From: 	Carlos Perello Marin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:37] <carlos> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:37] <carlos> Subject: 	More comments about the DB schema & Rosetta needs
[02:37] <carlos> Date: 	Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:39:28 +0200
[02:37] <daf> Subject: More comments about the DB schema & Rosetta needs
[02:37] <daf> oops :)
[02:38] <carlos> Some questions are post Alpha
[02:38] <daf> ok, I'll reply to that today
[02:38] <carlos> thanks
[02:38] <daf> thanks for reminding me
[02:38] <carlos> no problem
[02:38] <daf> so, Steve and I will be working on fixing the remaining permissions problems in the upload
[02:39] <daf> it's something to do with allowing interfaces
[02:39] <carlos> ok
[02:39] <carlos> about the project/product import, I will play with http://arch.no-name-yet.com/
[02:39] <daf> I think Steve will be working on closing #1907 and #1908
[02:39] <carlos> seems like there will be all our arch projects
[02:39] <daf> ah, sounds good
[02:40] <carlos> but I need to get a file that let's me get the archive + branch we are using (I will ask lifeless)
[02:40] <carlos> or import all projects/products...
[02:41] <daf> ok, let me know how that goes
[02:42] <carlos> ok
[02:42] <daf> is there anything else we need to discuss?
[02:42] <carlos> Nothing that I could remember now
[02:43] <carlos> daf: well, tomorrow I shoud go to "register" in my university for this new year, perhaps I will be late for the meeting
[02:43] <daf> ok, shall we arrange another time for it?
[02:43] <carlos> it's one hour and a half before the meeting, so I'm not sure If will be late
[02:44] <carlos> daf: if we could delay it one hour I think it will be enough, that way I'm sure I will be able to attend on time
[02:44] <daf> ok, we'll do that
[02:44] <carlos> perfect, thanks
[02:45] <daf> de nada

[02:45] <cprov> daf: speaking portuguese again ?
[02:45] <daf> cprov: I only know about five words :)
[02:46] <cprov> daf: can you update the https://rosseta... just the code DB is ok
[02:46] <cprov> daf: they are enough to live :)
[02:46] <daf> cprov: I updated it
[02:47] <daf> cprov: but it seemed to be up to date
[02:47] <carlos> :-P
[02:47] <carlos> cprov: or Spanish, Are the same words :-P
[02:48] <carlos> ok, lunch time, see you later
[02:48] <daf> carlos: "obrigado" is Espaol also? :)
[02:48] <carlos> daf: no
[02:48] <cprov> carlos: don't be so proud about it :) look !
[02:48] <carlos> cprov: :-P
[02:48] <daf> lunchtime for me also, I think
[02:49] <cprov> see you, guys
[05:11] <spiv> How do I find out the possible values for "Assign to" in Bugzilla?
[05:11] <spiv> i.e. what email addresses people are using in bugzilla?
[05:14] <daf> good question
[05:14] <daf> justdave: around?
[05:18] <daf> SteveA: would now be a good time to work on the upload permissions problem?
[05:21] <SteveA> daf: I need to reply to an email about contracted work.  Shall we say 20 minutes?
[05:21] <daf> sure
[05:23] <daf> lulu: did you say limi was coming back today?
[05:30] <carlos> daf: he said that last Monday
[05:30] <daf> right
[05:34] <lulu> daf: I had thought so - this evening. Apparently he will be online tomorrow. I have not heard from him. He has much to do when he returns....
[05:34] <daf> lulu: ah
[05:35] <lulu> daf: please file all the bugs you need him to attend to, ok.
[05:36] <daf> lulu: I have done :)
[05:37] <lulu> daf: great
[05:37] <lulu> how's Rosetta looking?
[05:37] <lulu> do we have real data in the db yet?
[05:42] <carlos> lulu: Not yet, I will start importing data today (If all goes right)
[05:42] <carlos> lulu: but I think we will depend on arch.no-name-yet.com contents, I need to talk about it with lifeless
[05:54] <lulu> carlos: that needs to be done as a matter of urgency. It's almost 2am, so when he wakes up can you get in touch with him, Carlos?
[05:55] <carlos> lulu: sure
[05:55] <lulu> carlos: thanks
[05:55] <carlos> lulu: but we only have three modules imported so I'm not sure if we will be able to import all ubuntu products for this Wednesday
[05:55] <carlos> (imported into arch)
[05:56] <lulu> carlos: ok - do you know what the plan is on what modules by 15th, then thereafter?
[05:57] <carlos> lulu: No idea, they have a wiki page about this, let me look for it..
[05:57] <carlos> lulu: https://www.warthogs.hbd.com/ArchImports
[05:58] <carlos> lulu: of course we could try to do it by hand from tar.gz if we see that they will take more time than we have
[05:58] <lulu> carlos: ok - I'll have a look - thanks.
[06:03] <daf> SteveA: do you need more time?
[06:06] <SteveA> a little
[06:06] <SteveA> sorry
[06:25] <SteveA> daf: do you have some time now?
[06:26] <daf> yes
[06:27] <daf> but I'll be finishing off for today in about 45 minutes
[06:27] <daf> well, I might do some work after I get back from the LUG meeting
[06:28] <SteveA> ok, let's get going
[06:28] <daf> ok
[06:29] <lulu> daf: last week when getting the most NB Warty packages into Arch was discussed.....
[06:29] <lulu> thus Rosetta gets real data....
[06:30] <lulu> what packages were discussed?
[06:30] <lulu> and will Lifeless bring them in
[06:30] <lulu> or will you have to do it by hand?
[06:30] <lulu> Daf:please advise...
[06:31] <daf> lulu: looking at the list of what's imported, I think we'll import ourselves from tarballs
[06:31] <lulu> when will you do this?
[06:32] <lulu> and whop will be responsible?
[06:32] <lulu> who!?
[06:33] <daf> I'm responsible
[06:33] <lulu> daf: ok - what's the plan  for this? Do you have a list of the packages and a deadline to bring them in?
[06:34] <daf> we have a bug for it
[06:35] <lulu> daf: good - does it specify packages?
[06:37] <lulu> daf: do you guys need assistance in defining the package list of what should/shouldn't be in?
[06:37] <daf> no, the bug is to discuss the packages
[06:37] <lulu> daf: and the tangible outcome is a list?
[06:38] <daf> yes
[06:40] <SteveA> Daf and I need to do some pair programming before daf needs to leave.
[06:40] <lulu> daf: methinks it would be good to schedule that discussion sooner rather than later so you have a list of packages you can hard code on the home page....when Rosetta launches in 2 days.
[06:40] <lulu> daf: ok - back over to you.
[06:41] <SteveA> daf: can you give me the IP address or domain name to use?
[06:41] <daf> SteveA: earthsea.homedns.org
[06:43] <SteveA> <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[06:43] <daf> yes
[06:43] <SteveA> $ telnet <IP_ADDRESS> ssh
[06:43] <SteveA> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[06:43] <daf> well, it looks right
[06:44] <daf> if port 22 doesn't work, try 2222
[06:45] <SteveA> I'm in
[06:45] <SteveA> on port 2222
[06:45] <daf> ok, great
[06:45] <SteveA> stevea@mabli:~$ screen -x daf/
[06:45] <SteveA> Must run suid root for multiuser support.
[06:45] <SteveA> upgraded recently?
[06:45] <daf> oh, yes
[06:45] <daf> I should probably add a permissions override for it
[06:45] <SteveA> what's that?
[06:45] <daf> ok, try again
[06:46] <daf> later on, look up dpkg-staroverride
[06:46] <SteveA> no such package
[06:46] <SteveA> no man page
[06:46] <SteveA> no command
[06:46] <SteveA> let's work
[06:47] <daf> s/star/stat/
[07:10] <justdave> spiv / daf: put in either their first or last name (or part of it) in the blank and submit it.  If there's more than one person with that name it'll prompt you to pick one.
[07:10] <spiv> justdave: Ah, ok.  That could be made clearer :)
[07:55] <kiko> afternoon
[07:55] <carlos> kiko: hey
[08:07] <debonzi> spiv, I've create a SQL "patch" for SectionSelection and ComponentSelection. It is in bugzilla as attachment. Should I put it in database/schema and merge in rocketfuel or should I do something else and wait a DBA do that?
[08:11] <debonzi> SteveA, What do you say about it?
[08:31] <SteveA> debonzi: what does launchpad/database/schema/README say?
[08:38] <debonzi> SteveA, ok sorry...
[08:38] <SteveA> the current dba is rob collins, but it will be stuart bishop again soon
[08:53] <carlos> SteveA: I'm getting this error with the encryption object:
[08:53] <carlos>  Module canonical.lp.placelessauth.encryption, line 30, in encrypt
[08:53] <carlos> v = binascii.b2a_base64(sha.new(plaintext + salt).digest() + salt)
[08:53] <carlos> hmm
[08:53] <carlos> wait
[08:53] <carlos>     *  Module canonical.rosetta.browser, line 365, in submit
[08:53] <carlos>       person.password = ssha.encrypt(password1)
[08:53] <carlos>     * Module canonical.lp.placelessauth.encryption, line 30, in encrypt
[08:53] <carlos>       v = binascii.b2a_base64(sha.new(plaintext + salt).digest() + salt)
[08:53] <carlos> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x8a in position 1: ordinal not in range(128)
[08:54] <carlos> It's solved if the string is passed as password.encode('UTF-8')
[08:54] <carlos> but that's not needed with SQLObjects, could we "fix" the SSHADigestEncryptor so it works the same way?
[08:55] <SteveA> hmm
[08:56] <SteveA> what are you passing to it?
[08:56] <SteveA> I mean, how are you using it?
[08:56] <carlos> password1 = self.request.form['newPassword1']
[08:56] <carlos>                     password2 = self.request.form['newPassword2']
[08:56] <carlos>                     if password1 and password1 == password2:
[08:56] <carlos>                         person.password = ssha.encrypt(password1)
[08:57] <SteveA> hmm.
[08:57] <carlos> to fix the problem: password1 = self.request.form['newPassword1'] .encode('UTF-8')
[08:57] <SteveA> I suppose people do use non ascii characters in passwords
[08:57] <carlos> SteveA: that's a bad supposition
[08:57] <SteveA> really?
[08:57] <carlos> SteveA: really
[08:57] <SteveA> please read what I wrote again
[08:57] <carlos> I know lot of people using them
[08:58] <carlos> upps
[08:58] <carlos> sorry
[08:58] <carlos> :-P
[08:58] <SteveA> so, in that case, the contract of the digest encryptor should accept unicode objects or ascii strings
[08:58] <SteveA> so, doing as you suggest is a good plan
[08:59] <SteveA> but, we must be sure that its unit tests still pass, and also that a new unit test is written
[08:59] <carlos> should I change it then?
[08:59] <SteveA> yes
[08:59] <SteveA> In fact, to do this properly:
[09:00] <SteveA> 1. file a bug that the password encryptor doesn't accept non-ascii characters
[09:00] <carlos> I suppose that I should move the .encode inside the encrypt method, right?
[09:00] <SteveA> 2. add spiv and me to the cc list
[09:00] <carlos> ok.
[09:00] <carlos> 3. Attach the proposal patch
[09:01] <SteveA> 3. change the IPasswordEncryptor interface to explain about unicode
[09:01] <SteveA> 4. write a unit test that uses a password that contains non-ascii characters
[09:01] <SteveA> 5. write the patch so that the unit test passes
[09:02] <SteveA> It is not sufficient just to do a patch.  The interface and tests must be kept up to date.
[09:03] <SteveA> Both encrypt and validate will need to be encoded to UTF-8
[09:03] <SteveA> We'll need to make sure that upfront systems gets the new code, too.
[09:04] <SteveA> hmm.
[09:04] <SteveA> I wonder how browsers deal with non-ascii characters in basic auth
[09:09] <carlos> SteveA: ok, I will do it now
[09:09] <carlos> SteveA: No idea about the basic auth
[09:53] <jblack> spiov, steva: ping
[10:22] <kiko> hmmm
[10:23] <kiko> has anyone managed to get #canonical auto-join in x-chat?
[10:27] <carlos> kiko: #canonical,#launchpad talentlesstramps
[10:27] <carlos> kiko: first, the list of channels, at the end, the list of passwords
[10:27] <kiko> let's try that again then.
[10:28] <carlos> kiko: if you want to change the order: #launchpad,#canonical '',talentlesstramps
[10:29] <kiko> ah. let's try that.
[10:30] <cprov> kiko: finally :)
[10:30] <kiko> thanks.
[10:30] <carlos> kiko: Scott told us the solution ;-)
[10:31] <kiko> carlos, I didn't know about this space-separation and ordering business, very tricky.
[10:31] <carlos> kiko: I know, Scott gave me a new reason to hate much more xchat
[10:31] <kiko> it's hard to hate something I use every day more than I already do
[10:58] <debonzi> spiv, ping


[00:03] <powersj> magicalChicken: https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-integration-x/103/console
[00:04] <powersj> Looks like the qemu migration tests were running at the same time as the integration tests. And the integration tests attempted to delete a snapshot. Why would cii do that?
[03:21] <magicalChicken> powersj: a couple things here...
[03:22] <magicalChicken> the reason the snapshot is being used is as the backend of the 'launch container from existing container' lxd feature
[03:23] <magicalChicken> it looks like there was already an image using one of the ones being cleaned up by the cloud tests
[03:24] <magicalChicken> actually, i guess it was during the image being created originally, not during a launch
[03:24] <magicalChicken> maybe there was a uuid collision between images?
[03:25] <magicalChicken> the old version of the tests have bad logic for naming images, and don't check existing names for uniqueness or use any namespacing, and we had run into collisions once before I on jenkins I think
[03:25] <magicalChicken> the fix is in the merge proposal for the new tests
[03:26] <magicalChicken> also, this could be connected to cloud tests deleting the image it uses by default instead of preserving, maybe it tried to remove an image that was being used by the qemu tests
[03:26] <magicalChicken> my guess is that its a image name collision though, somehow
[03:27] <magicalChicken> in any case, I think the new version of the tests may fix it
[03:27] <magicalChicken> i can try to reproduce the issue otherwise
[03:28] <magicalChicken> the attempted delete was just due to lxd trying to clean things up, the original failure was that an image already existed that it tried to overwrite
[14:18] <smoser> rharper, well it shoudlnt be trying to rename network devices at 'init'
[14:18] <smoser> but only in init-local
[14:45] <rharper> smoser: hrm
[15:17] <smoser> rharper, its to late to run at init time ... networking is already up
[15:17] <rharper> I completely understand
[15:17] <rharper> I don't know why it triggered the rename path a second time
[15:18] <rharper> I'll get a cloud-init.log for your here in a bit
[15:18] <rharper> there are multiple calls to apply_network_config in main ;  I've not sorted out if we're taking a path that this then multiple times
[16:19] <rharper> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24084999/;  when 'init' runs, it checks the network config, in doing that, it validates that interfaces are named properly, but this time the mac of the interface to be renamed matches a bond; then we attempt to bring it down and fail.  basically with bonding, we have a mac that points to two interfaces (one physical, one virtual (the bond))
[16:20] <smoser> right. i was about to type that. it does try to rename, but should have come up with "nothing to do"
[16:23] <rharper> right, it should
[16:23] <rharper> but when it looks up the interface by mac
[16:23] <rharper> it finds bond0
[16:23] <rharper> for what it thinks is interface0
[16:23] <rharper> which is true; they share a mac due to how bonding works
[16:23] <rharper> so then it thinks it needs to rename bond0 -> interface0
[16:24] <rharper> since we only rename 'physical' interface (we fetch only 'physical' items from the config; however, when we look up the phys interface by mac, we get two answers (bond0, interface0) ;  but it gets bond first (sorting I guess)
[16:25] <rharper> however, we should reject virt interface names when we're looking for interface info for renaming


[19:40] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 679 up for review, critique and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue679 :D
[19:43] <krytarik> In the Community Team summary, I'd either uppercase "discourse" or just leave it off entirely.
[19:46] <Bashing-om> krytarik: ack - fixing ^ .
[19:55] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Opted to capitalize "DISCOURSE" for the directive content.
[19:56] <krytarik> LOL, not that much though.. XD
[19:59] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Hokay :D I do a re-do :D
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: Next edit(s) ?
[20:02] <krytarik> Not from me.. >_>
[20:03] <Bashing-om> krytarik: One editor down and 2 yet to go :)
[20:05] <Bashing-om> While waiting I go see what the Tug is on the Forum :)
[22:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: UWN679 acceptable ?
[22:25] <guiverc> I'll look when I can (and am more awake... just in from bird feed; haven't had my drinkee yet so I don't consider myself 'alert', Bashing-om
[22:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Understandable :) takes me 2 cups of coffee to become responsible :D
[22:26]  * guiverc usually turns this box on, then disappears outside for bird feed (trying not to get shat on)
[22:26] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Only hurt the ones they love ?
[22:27] <guiverc> at least I'm no longer getting bit... I think parrots bite to amuse themselves..
[22:27] <guiverc> that and getting attention... bits on the ankle were to get me to look down
[22:28] <Bashing-om> A big diffeence in love nips and drawing blood :D
[22:33] <guiverc> :)
[23:36] <guiverc> grrr .. minor edit required I feel Bashing-om
[23:37] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We seek perfection - tell on :D
[23:37] <guiverc> hub.. " pretty well"  (drop space after first ")
[23:38]  * guiverc still reading
[23:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch - will do !
[23:40] <guiverc> got another... i missed xenial..
[23:41] <Bashing-om> guiverc: xenial where ?
[23:42] <guiverc> marked in gdoc.. blogo
[23:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ack
[23:43]  * guiverc is fighting a mouse that looses connection (led turns off ~2 secs) when I move it.. gotta buy a new mouse..
[23:53] <Bashing-om> Gui And keeping batteries in a wireless mouse is too a never ending fight :(
[23:55] <guiverc> :)   i use corded so I think it's a bad cable.. fourth mouse to die in last ~6 months & I'm outta thirty-year-old mice..
[23:55] <guiverc> my getting annoyed with it & throwing it in the bin... then using the cord to pull it back out when needed... is finally biting me..
[23:58] <guiverc> finally there is a "Your Name Here" in the credits... We didn't have a helper with that name did we :) Bashing-om
[23:58] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My ole PS2 mouse button died on me - I did try so hard to revive it - went to cheap USB mouse :(
[23:59] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wow - how in the world did I miss that edit - muscel memory should have taken care of "Your Name Here" :(


[05:21] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <dkessel> good morning
[06:06] <elfy> morning dkessel
[06:47] <jibel> pitti, can you delete /home/ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/autopkgtest/data/adt/utopic-proposed/amd64/work/utopic-proposed_amd64_upower.20140427-143649.state on snakefruit, reconciliation will never happen, there is a source (systemd) with 2 different versions.
[06:49] <pitti> jibel: done
[06:50] <jibel> thanks
[08:29] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[08:56] <jibel> Good morning DanChapman
[08:56] <DanChapman> Good Morning  jibel, how are you?
[08:57] <jibel> DanChapman, I'm fine thanks.
[08:57] <jibel> pitti, is it safe to upgrade systemd on Utopic or should I prepare a hammer?
[09:00] <pitti> jibel: should be fine with upstart, there are no significant differences
[09:01] <pitti> jibel: if you boot with systemd, several things won't work (LXC or some package installs)
[09:04] <mardy> hi! What should I do to setup a project so that its coverage report gets uploaded to the coverage dashboard?
[09:04] <jibel> alesage, ^
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:41] <mardy> rvr: hi! What should I do to setup a project so that its coverage report gets uploaded to the coverage dashboard?
[10:48] <rvr> mardy: Hey. We already added the coverage rules to many of online accounts projects
[10:49] <rvr> mardy: So now people from CI must enable that
[10:49] <mardy> rvr: OK, so do I need to do something about it?
[10:50] <rvr> mardy: Yeah, contact them so builds report coverage in CI
[10:53] <mardy> rvr: OK; that means #ubuntu-ci-eng or do you have a specific person in mind?
[10:55] <rvr> mardy: I used to ping fginther, but he's in US time zone
[10:58] <mardy> rvr: OK, will ping him later
[14:22] <alesage> rvr, jibel thanks, mardy did you get your question answered?
[14:25] <mardy> alesage: yes, thanks!
[14:25] <alesage> mardy ok!
[18:25] <cgoldberg> balloons,  I just saw 'project-dashboard' app won Ubuntu App Showdown.  looks pretty sweet... have you used it?
[18:26] <balloons> cgoldberg, I haven't used the final version actually.. I should install it :-)
[18:26] <cgoldberg> balloons,  and is bzr/Launchpad not supported? :(  I do have stuff on Github I can use it with, but would be awesome to use for canonical projects
[18:29] <robotfuel> elopio: can you review this when you have time? lp:~chris.gagnon/gallery-app/autopilot-fix-flakyness-and-make-work-on-desktop
[18:31] <elopio> robotfuel:  yup
[18:46] <balloons> cgoldberg, he planned to do it, perhaps he didn't finishj it
[18:47] <cgoldberg> balloons, do you know the developer?
[18:48] <balloons> cgoldberg, yes.. ping mdspencer
[18:48] <cgoldberg> balloons, cool thanks
[19:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, howdy
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello


[00:00] <LINKSWORD2> Did you get your problem with Helvetica figured out?
[00:00] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: I believe I am going to switch to trebuchet. It looks quite nice, and if I remember correctly, its a Linuxy font
[00:01] <LINKSWORD2> Well, that's cool.
[00:02] <Linkmaster> Yup. When I used to use Libreoffice, it recognized helvetica just fine, and by monkeying around I made it the default font. I'll give trebuchet a change though, otherwise I'll stick with DejaVu
[00:03] <LINKSWORD2> Linkmaster: Do you know where firefox would install by default?
[00:04] <Linkmaster> Hmm, I believe I recall seeing it somewhere, let me see where it dumped mine..
[00:07] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: its in /etc
[00:07] <LINKSWORD2> Hidden directory?
[00:08] <iconmefisto> Torch: was that to me? nvidia driver is broken in 11.04?
[00:09] <Torch> iconmefisto: yes.
[00:09] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: I don't think so...I opened up Dolphin, went to root, looked in /etc, scrolled to the f part, and it was right there
[00:09] <Torch> iconmefisto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/760632
[00:09] <LINKSWORD2> OK
[00:09] <iconmefisto> Torch: ok thanks. useful to know. I have nvidia graphics:)
[00:13] <LINKSWORD2> ... That's weird. It's not installing when I try to extract into that folder.
[00:16] <LINKSWORD2> And I can't Trash the old one.
[00:17] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: you're trying to extract something to /etc?
[00:17] <LINKSWORD2> Yes
[00:18] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: don't do that.
[00:18] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: it's a system directory. if you don't know what it's for, don't go near it.
[00:18] <LINKSWORD2> ???
[00:18] <LINKSWORD2> I need to install an older version of Firefox.
[00:19] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: that has nothing to do with /etc then
[00:19] <LINKSWORD2> Then I need to know what to do.
[00:19] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: you could probably download a binary tarball from firefox and unpack it to your home dir
[00:19] <LINKSWORD2> Into my documents and stuff?
[00:20] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: into your home dir. that's one level above documents
[00:20] <LINKSWORD2> I have the tarball.
[00:20] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: unpack it then. in your home folder.
[00:21] <Torch> LINKSWORD2: i have no idea how firefox distribute their binary tarballs though.
[00:21] <LINKSWORD2> I have another idea that I'm going to try.
[00:23] <LINKSWORD2> Anybody know how to find the GDeb installer?
[00:24] <LINKSWORD2> GAH!
[00:25] <Linkmaster> Torch: where does firefox install then??? Because its located in /etc for me
[00:26] <Torch> Linkmaster: that sounds rather unlikely.
[00:26] <Torch> Linkmaster: on a shell, run dpkg -L firefox
[00:26] <Linkmaster> let me rephrase it: where *should* it install then?
[00:26] <LINKSWORD2> Good question.... lol
[00:26] <Torch> Linkmaster: this will list you all the files the firefox package installed
[00:27] <Linkmaster> Its in /usr, which is the first place I checked for it...thats so wierd
[00:27] <Torch> Linkmaster: a few of those will be in /etc, but that's only default settings, no program code
[00:27] <Torch> Linkmaster: that's where it belongs though
[00:27] <xevil> Linkmaster: mine installed in /usr/lib
[00:27] <Linkmaster> yeah, some libs and stuff
[00:28] <Linkmaster> ahh, I see it. I have
[00:32] <Linkmaster> I've got myself a partitioning question: I want to have three OS's installed on my computer, for different things. I'm going to put winblows for my one proprietary software I need, so thats not hard. I know I'm going to have a swap space. Thats two partitions already, and that leaves only two left to put my linux installations. What is the best way to make sure that /home stays in the partition that I made the first
[00:32] <Linkmaster> installation in? and what is the best way to do this without causing problems, unless this is just a bad idea in general
[00:33] <Torch> Linkmaster: make a primary partition at the beginning of the drive for windows
[00:33] <Torch> Linkmaster: and an extended one on the rest of the drive.
[00:33] <Torch> Linkmaster: create logicals inside the extended for linux
[00:33] <Linkmaster> So what does that do exactly?
[00:33] <Torch> Linkmaster: use UUID in /etc/fstab
[00:33] <Linkmaster> UUID?
[00:34] <Torch> Linkmaster: don't reference partitions by their device node (like /dev/sda13)
[00:34] <Torch> Linkmaster: reference them by their UUID
[00:34] <Torch> Linkmaster: google for it ;-)
[00:35] <Linkmaster> Is the UUID the awkward hash of numbers and letters that represent the drive in /media?
[00:35] <Torch> Linkmaster: that might be hardware id's, not UUID
[00:35] <Torch> Linkmaster: but it does indeed look weird. doesn't matter, you don't have to remember or understand it, just use it once
[00:35] <Torch> Linkmaster: so that whatever you do the numbers don't change
[00:35] <Linkmaster> Haha, alright
[00:36] <Linkmaster> I'm planning on wiping my drive and starting over; winblows at the very beginning, maybe 10gigs, Kubuntu next using about 100gigs, LFS afterwards at about 20gigs, and then the swap for 8gigs
[00:37] <Torch> Linkmaster: sounds workable. i'd still recommend an extended partition
[00:37] <Torch> Linkmaster: linux deals with those alright.
[00:37] <Linkmaster> how does an extended partition work exactly? I know I'm running one, though it was set up automatically by the kubuntu installation
[00:38] <Torch> Linkmaster: you can have up to 63 logicals inside an extended
[00:38] <Torch> Linkmaster: while you can only have 4 primaries
[00:38] <Linkmaster> AHH, and since an OS only needs a logical to work..
[00:38] <Torch> Linkmaster: yep, linux can boot from those. windows cannot, iirc.
[00:39] <Linkmaster> Hmm...yet another thing winblows can't do xD
[00:39] <Torch> Linkmaster: logicals have a disadvantage: they're chained to each other, which isn't a problem as long as you don't delete one.
[00:39] <Linkmaster> delete one, and everything goes to hell I assume?
[00:40] <Torch> Linkmaster: but if you have /dev/sda10, /dev/sda11 and /dev/sda12 and then delete /dev/sda11, /dev/sda12 gets renumbered to /dev/sda11
[00:40] <Torch> Linkmaster: no, the names change. that's all
[00:40] <Linkmaster> Oh. but if you have scripts that rely on the number...THATS when it'l all go to hell
[00:40] <Torch> Linkmaster: so if you reference the names in /etc/fstab, linux won't be able to mount the file systems until you fix that manually.
[00:40] <Torch> Linkmaster: so just use UUID and you're safe
[00:41] <Linkmaster> I'll need to figure out what UUID is exactly then
[00:41] <Torch> Linkmaster: open a shell, run "blkid"
[00:41] <Torch> Linkmaster: it will list all UUIDs for all file systems in use
[00:41] <Linkmaster> nothing came up o:
[00:42] <Torch> Linkmaster: hmm
[00:43] <Linkmaster> Torch: any idea as to why that would happen?
[00:43] <Torch> Linkmaster: not really. what's your kubuntu version?
[00:44] <Linkmaster> 11.04 KDE4.6.4
[00:45] <Torch> Linkmaster: i don't run 11.04, but i can't imagine it not having a working blkid... that's pretty basic.
[00:45] <Linkmaster> Huh...not sure D: I did roll up from 10.10, though I doubt that would cause issues
[00:46] <Torch> Linkmaster: that should not affect this.
[00:46] <Linkmaster> Didn't think so. Hrm. I wouldnt have a clue
[00:46] <Torch> Linkmaster: you might try installing kde partition manager and check if it shows you uuids in partition properties
[00:46] <Linkmaster> kparted? yeah, thats on my computer, let me boot it up
[00:46] <Torch> Linkmaster: no, kde partition manager
[00:46] <Linkmaster> I thought they were the same...
[00:47] <Torch> Linkmaster: they are not ;-)
[00:47] <Linkmaster> well, kde partition manager is whats on my computer
[00:49] <Linkmaster> I can't see any UUID
[00:49] <Torch> Linkmaster: right click on a partition, pick properties. check the dialog.
[00:50] <Torch> Linkmaster: it should list uuids
[00:50] <Linkmaster> I found it. I was right clicking on the wrong thing
[00:51] <Linkmaster> 52c41a31-7dd4-479f-bbbe-fd577a072d41
[00:51] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[00:51] <Linkmaster> so how does this hash of stuff help me at all?
[00:51] <Torch> Linkmaster: you can use it in /etc/fstab to reference partitions
[00:51] <Torch> (or file systems, to be precise)
[00:51] <Linkmaster> But...what does that do?
[00:52] <Torch> Linkmaster: hmm, well, maybe you should google on read up on some of the concepts involved here ;-)
[00:52] <Linkmaster> I'm planning on wiping my drive completely clean before I install anything new on it
[00:52] <Torch> Linkmaster: nothing wrong with that
[00:53] <Linkmaster> alright, I'll find something about what a UUID is and what its useful for
[00:53] <Torch> Linkmaster: wikipedia will have something about it
[00:53] <Linkmaster> Then I shall start there
[00:53] <Torch> Linkmaster: and it's not mandatory for what you plan to do
[00:53] <Torch> Linkmaster: just some advice
[00:54] <Linkmaster> nah, it'll be useful for me in the long run. I can't learn as much as possible if I don't look up the seemingly 'uneeded' stuf
[00:54] <LINKSWORD2> Well... I've gotta go.
[01:12] <Linkmaster> I'm planning on helping my mom transition to kubuntu[if she likes it] and I want the installation to be as painless as possible. I'm going to use 10.04 as the installation because of its better support, though I believe her computer is a 64bit computer. Would it be a bad idea to put a 32bit installation on it? I know that 32bit has fewer problems, and as said, I want her first experience to be utterly painless
[01:13] <Unit193> 32bit should work just fine on 64bit hardware
[01:19] <PortalGunz> Hello, will Kubuntu keep the KDE windows manager as Ubuntu is changing it's ?
[01:20] <Linkmaster> alright, I figurd as much. I just don't want her computer to go bonkers while I'm gone[I'm going to remove her from the sudoers list so she doesn't accidentally screw something u]
[01:20] <Linkmaster> PortalGunz: Kubuntu follows KDE; if KDE decides to stop using Plasma, then thats their choice
[01:21] <PortalGunz> Linkmaster: so pretty much I shouldn't be shafted in the GUI with Kubuntu like Ubuntu ?
[01:24] <Linkmaster> PortalGunz: definitely not. KDE is doing magnificantly with Plasma, its very pretty and extremely customizable. Unity is extremely young, give it time to mature and become better if you're bigger for Ubuntu. Though, you can also remove Unity and put Gnome3 on, though that also had a huge change compared to Gnome2
[01:27] <PortalGunz> Linkmaster: I was just looking to use LTS'
[01:28] <Linkmaster> PortalGunz: The LTS of Kubuntu is running KDE4.4 I believe, its Plasma as well, and 12.04 is either going to run 4.6 or 4.7, both of which are the same. If you're thinking of shafting like gnome2->Unity, you missed it a long while ago[KDE3->KDE4]
[01:38] <nino10> listù
[01:38] <nino10> list
[01:38] <nino10> list!
[01:55] <PortalGunz> Linkmaster: OK, so pretty much nothing to worry about seems like
[01:55] <PortalGunz> (While using Kubuntu)
[01:55] <Linkmaster> Yep yep
[02:10] <PortalGunz> Linkmaster: Does it have FireFox 4 though?
[02:10] <PortalGunz> Or still 3?
[02:10] <PortalGunz> (if I was to install FireFox)
[02:11] <Linkmaster> I know that 10.10 and 11.04 have FF4, 10.04 might have FF4, not sure, I don't use it
[02:11] <PortalGunz> I'm assuming the regular releases are only a few months while the LTS is 3 years ?
[02:12] <PortalGunz> Also they just released 5.
[02:29] <Linkmaster> PortalGunz: LTS happens every fourth release, so it looks like this: 10.04[LTS], 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, 12.04[LTS] etc etc
[03:28] <Linkmaster> Whats the latest release for oneriec, and where can I find it? I tried some web searching, but came up with nothing I'd readily trust
[04:43] <teddy_> yo sup guys
[04:43] <teddy_> gots a question..
[04:43] <teddy_> how do I use this?
[04:44] <Linkmaster> define "this"
[06:19] <beto> alguem sabe n novo biglinux?
[06:19] <beto> colocar icones na area de trabalho
[06:22] <beto> hey ..y r sleeping??
[06:22] <beto> u*
[06:23] <Linkmaster> I'm not :P
[06:23] <beto> have others rooms ,here?
[06:23] <Linkmaster> Such as?
[06:57] <valorie> Linkmaster: if you want the very latest, check out #project-neon
[06:57] <valorie> bleeding edge KDE
[06:58] <Linkmaster> I have it installed, I just keep forgeting to use it. Its also hard on my computer due to the small amount of RAM/swap
[07:08] <PortalGunz> Is the ease of Samba sharing only in the new 11.04 ?
[07:10] <PortalGunz> I'm assuming you can still use samba anyway on LTS
[07:11] <hamt> Hi all
[07:11] <hamt> Exit from full screen applications logs off user.
[07:11] <hamt> Any help?
[07:13] <hamt> Exit from full screen applications logs off user.
[07:13] <hamt> Any help?
[07:14] <szal> !repeat | hamt
[07:14] <szal> more details please
[07:15] <hamt> szal: asking me?
[07:15] <szal> hamt: who else?
[07:16] <hamt> szal: Exiting stellarium from fullscreen logs off the user
[07:16] <szal> never heard of
[07:16] <hamt> szal: Does not happen when stallarium opens in windowed mode
[07:17] <hamt> szal: I think the problem lies with opengl
[08:13] <naftilos76> hi, during the last days i had two or three total crashes meaning that the system hangs, screen freezes (no black screens) and no virtual consoles work whatsoever. Any idea what log files i can search in ?
[08:14] <naftilos76> I am on Kubuntu 11.04 & KDE updated to 4.6.4
[08:31] <Torch> naftilos76: nvidia graphics card?
[08:39] <zedority> why would all windows in a KDE/kwin environment be opening up automatically maximized, and missing their titlebars?
[08:39] <zedority> when i resize the windows, the titlebar comes back. it's weird.
[08:39] <naftilos76> Torch: i just discovered something amazing. I was playing an MMS stream. The same thing happened with Amarok and vlc. After some time of playing the stream (or any MMS stream) i experienced the total system crash or the event of driving the CPU to 100%. The mouse could barely move and so i tried shuting dowm apps to see whether a running app is causing the problem. After shutting down vlc the system is up and running with CPU ocuppied at 0
[08:39] <naftilos76> -5%.
[08:39] <szal> wrong display settings?
[08:40] <szal> naftilos76: sounds like failing PSU, I had similar symptoms when I had one dying
[08:40] <zedority> the maximized window, sans titlebar, fits the desktop space perfectly
[08:41] <Torch> zedority: graphics card?
[08:41] <naftilos76> szal: what can be causing this? I didn't have any problems with graphics (GeForce 9600GT)
[08:42] <zedority> Torch: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[08:43] <Torch> zedority: my uninformed guess would be it's a graphics driver bug.
[08:44] <zedority> Torch: it would not surprise me. This isn't the first time I've tried KDE4 on this laptop.
[08:44] <zedority> I was just hoping such a problem would be related to the kwin configuration rather than the graphics driver
[08:44] <Torch> zanoi: try turning off desktop effects and see if that makes it go away
[08:48] <zedority> nope, no change. tried running kwin --replace to update, still no change in behaviour.
[08:48] <zedority> maybe a config file somewhere?
[08:48] <Torch> zedority: sounds unlikely.
[08:48] <Torch> zedority: you could try #kde later today and see if any of the kwin folks is there
[08:49] <zedority> torch: will do. thanks.
[09:45] <Canvasian> Hi! I'm just testing out Quassel IRC. This channel was here by default. Is it the Kubuntu  support channel?
[09:47] <Canvasian> I guess this is a bad time to test x3 I will come back later
[10:22] <SeySayux> Hi, how do I set the default resolution (the one of the log in window) in Kubuntu?
[10:31] <Ddpbf> SeySayux: do you have xorg.conf ?
[10:32] <SeySayux> Ddpbf: nope
[10:32] <Ddpbf> aha
[10:32] <Ddpbf> try to configure it
[10:33] <Ddpbf> Are you farmiliar with process?
[10:33] <SeySayux> not really, no
[10:34] <Ddpbf> ok
[10:34] <Ddpbf> write this instructions on paper
[10:34] <Ddpbf> you should do it from tty
[10:35] <SeySayux> It's in a VM, and I'm on the host now, so go ahead
[10:35] <Ddpbf> aha
[10:36] <Ddpbf> first get in tty
[10:36] <Ddpbf> CTRL + ALT + F2
[10:36] <Ddpbf> (f1 to f6 are all good)
[10:36] <SeySayux> just tell me the commands I need ;)
[10:36] <Ddpbf> first log in in tty
[10:36] <Ddpbf> it is same as normal except no gui
[10:37] <Ddpbf> sudo service kdm stop
[10:37] <Ddpbf> sudo Xorg -configure
[10:37] <Ddpbf> sudo mv ~/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:37] <Ddpbf> sudo service kdm start
[10:38] <SeySayux> okay, thanks, I'll try that
[10:40] <SeySayux> For some reason I'm not quite sure of, ctrl+alt+f2 simply switches to my second desktop.  Xterm-alikes are terminal emulators: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
[10:46] <SeySayux> A real console would involve a hardware console
[10:46] <Ddpbf> aha
[10:46] <Ddpbf> thanks for info
[10:48] <SeySayux> I'm more of a server Linux person
[10:51] <SeySayux> Hmm, there seem to be some problems with generating the xorg.conf file... 5 seconds
[10:53] <SeySayux> gtg now, if there are more problems I can't fix, I'll ask again
[12:39] <inc_kde> Hello. Quick question: How do i override Edid DPI on kubuntu 11.04? Using nvidia gt 430 w/LCD tv, dpi autoprobed to 46,46 -> 4 pixel fonts all around.
[12:46] <dnivra> Hello. Is there a desktop typing tutor application for kubuntu 11.04 for the Dvorak layout?
[12:50] <Canvasian> Hello!
[12:52] <mudassar> hello anybody there ?
[12:53] <Canvasian> Hi!
[12:54] <Canvasian> Is this channel for tech support?
[12:54] <dnivra> Canvasian: the topic says it all :)
[13:00] <mudassar> can somebody plz tell me, how can I call the sched_getcpu function from glibc2.* (where 64 bit kernel is compiled with gcc) in a c program that is compiled in icc ?
[13:00] <mudassar> the glibc library seems to be built using gcc and it says incompatible when I build c program using icc
[13:03] <noaXess> hey all
[13:03] <noaXess> is there now a good m$ visio alternative?
[13:08] <mudassar> open office draw
[13:11] <mudassar> can somebody plz tell me, how can I call the sched_getcpu function from glibc2.* (where 64 bit kernel is compiled with gcc) in a c program that is compiled in icc ?
[13:12] <mudassar> the glibc library seems to be built using gcc and it says incompatible when I build c program using icc
[13:24] <noaXess> mudassar: ooo draw don't have a library eg. for network symbols ...
[13:25] <mudassar> ok
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:43] <noaXess> mudassar: got one.. Dia... nice tool with a lot of shapes..
[13:44] <mudassar> can you share its link ?
[13:44] <noaXess> mudassar: http://dia-installer.de/index.html.en .. dia is in ubuntu repos
[13:44] <noaXess> just sudo apt-get install dia... three packages..
[13:44] <mudassar> that will be helpful for me as well, thanks brother
[13:44] <noaXess> no problem :)..
[13:44] <mudassar> are you a linux guru ?
[13:47] <mudassar> marvelous tool
[13:47] <mudassar> thanks
[14:37] <Quadrophenia> hi there! can someone help me to fix a bug in natty, please?
[15:19] <mudassar> anybody there  ?
[15:19] <mudassar> I need libc.a and libc.so built using icc
[15:34] <rickey> year, ago i had kubuntu604 , or something like that.but that computer went down, a friend gave me kubuntu 10.10 and i installed it everthing is different. i need a little help getting started again
[15:35] <rickey> wen i went to install games and other things , nothing looked the same
[15:36] <rickey> i need to set up aim or facebook
[15:38]  * szal_ wonders what's there to set up w/ Facebook
[15:38] <rickey> ok ill come back later wen morte peopel are here
[15:39] <szal> !patience | rickey
[15:39] <rickey> AIM clovers facebook  now
[15:39] <rickey> well it dose on windows
[15:40] <szal> and of course 11.04 looks differently than 6.06; it's been 5 years and a major overhaul of KDE ;)
[15:40] <rickey> sorry i have 10.10
[15:41] <Ddpbf> ok it is 4 years overhaul then
[15:41] <Ddpbf> :>
[15:42] <szal> same applies for that..  and you may wanna get rid of 10.10 as long as you don't have too much important data on it since it will fall out of support in 4 months or so; so get 11.04 and upgrade ^^
[15:42] <rickey> good ideal
[15:43] <szal> !upgrade
[15:56] <rafael> ola
[15:56] <rafael> preciso de ajuda
[15:57] <rafael> alguem ai pode me ajudar
[15:57] <DarthFrog> !es | rafael
[16:00] <tsimpson> szal: 10.10 is supported until April 2012
[16:01] <szal> is it really that long?  I thought it's only the 2 latest versions + LTS..
[16:01] <szal> !pt | rafael
[16:01] <tsimpson> LTS is 3 years on the desktop, 5 on the server
[16:01] <szal> DarthFrog: language recognition fail ;)
[16:01] <tsimpson> so 10.10 isn't LTS
[16:02]  * szal never said that 10.10 is LTS
[16:02] <tsimpson> oh, misread
[16:03] <tsimpson> it's 3 releases for normal releases
[16:03] <tsimpson> ie, 18 months
[16:03] <DarthFrog> szal: It does that. :-)
[16:39] <mudassar> hello genius people
[16:39] <mudassar> anyone who can answer me ?
[16:39] <Pici> Answer what?
[16:39] <mudassar> I have a problem, I am trying to solve it since three days, please help me
[16:39] <Linkmaster> Theres lots here, ask away
[16:40] <mudassar> actually I am trying to link glibc with icc compiler ....... I want to use a function sched_getcpu in my c code to get the core id, but the library libc is incompatible with intel c++ compiler (icc)
[16:41] <mudassar> what is the best short cut solution for it? should I build a private glibc using icc ? or there is a way to have some kind of wrapper that can be linked with icc ??
[16:41] <mudassar> plz suggest some solution
[16:43] <Pici> multipass: ##C++ would probably be the best place to ask your question.  You'll need to be registered and identified to join though.
[16:43] <Pici> multipass: sorry, mistab
[16:43] <Pici> mudassar: ^^
[16:43] <Pici> !registe | mudassar
[16:43] <Pici> !register | mudassar
[16:46] <jorges> hi
[16:46] <Canvasian> Hello
[16:46] <jorges> how can I disable KDe sounds completely? is it possible?
[16:47] <jorges> I mean, I don't need pulseaudio, it conflicts with flash sounds and jackd...
[16:49] <Canvasian> I'm not sure, I'm new to KDE myself, but I'm poking around in hopes of stumbling upon an answer x3
[16:51] <DarthFrog> !pulse | jorges
[16:51] <DarthFrog> jorges: There is a section in that document about removing PulseAudio.
[16:51] <jorges> aha, I'll have a look then... thanks
[16:56] <Ddpbf> jorges: removing pulse is not what you want
[16:56] <Ddpbf> in any *buntu
[16:57] <jorges> Ddpbf: then?
[16:58] <jorges> I don't want sounds in KDE
[16:58] <jorges> I just want sound in flash player and jackd
[16:58] <jorges> those don't use pulseaudio
[16:58] <jorges> ...but I can't make this work :-/
[17:00] <jorges> well, rebooting... :(
[17:06] <Ddpbf> jorges: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=220d210f6996de60143a479240aab117&p=7077359&postcount=2
[17:07] <Ddpbf> i presume you want to remove system notifications sounds
[17:07] <jorges> no sound... :(
[17:07] <Ddpbf> I told you not to play with pulse
[17:07] <jorges> Ddpbf: no, I want KDE not to touch alsa
[17:07] <Ddpbf> ?
[17:07] <jorges> I mean, I don't mind if amarok loses sound too
[17:08] <Ddpbf> errrr
[17:08] <jorges> I just need flash and jackd sounds
[17:08] <jorges> no pulseaudio invonved there
[17:08] <Ddpbf> kde could use alsa
[17:08] <jorges> but I think my problem is also with alsa
[17:08] <jorges> :-{
[17:08] <Ddpbf> but alsa has very few options in compare to pulse
[17:10] <jorges> I don't need them really
[17:10] <jorges> just want alsa free, to load jackd
[17:20] <jorges> Ddpbf: ie. now, I have kded4 and knotify4 using libasound... how can I avoid that?
[17:20] <jorges> that doesn't let me use what I need, and If I kill them... well, bad things happen :)
[17:21] <Ddpbf> i gave you link
[17:21] <Ddpbf> how to turn off system notifications
[17:21] <Ddpbf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=220d210f6996de60143a479240aab117&p=7077359&postcount=2
[17:24] <jorges> ok, rebooting...
[17:28] <jorges_> ok, no proccesess using alsa :)
[17:28] <jorges_> thanks
[17:29] <jorges_> no, they're back again
[17:29] <jorges_> :|
[17:30] <jorges_> kded4 is using libasound
[17:33] <Ddpbf> remove phonon entire kde would be mute
[17:35] <jorges_> emm... plasma-desktop and lots more packages depends on it :(
[17:36] <Ddpbf> then dont use kde it is designed to interact with your sound hardware
[17:37] <jorges_> ...
[17:37] <Ddpbf> or compile kde without multimedia support
[17:38] <DarthFrog> jorges_: The best you can do is turn off system sounds.  And have you considered simply turning off your speakers when you're not listening to what you want to hear?  Disabling/removing pulseaudio *will not* do what you're asking.
[17:39] <jorges_> I just want to use jackd sound server
[17:39] <DarthFrog> The system and its various apps are designed to use the sound system; that's part of the reason you have that resource, to use it.
[17:39] <jorges_> don't mind systems sounds, phonon, pulseaudio, etc...
[17:40] <DarthFrog> Phonon is the KDE sound subsystem.  It uses pulse by default but it doesn't have to.
[17:40] <palodequeso> just got an asus eee pc, the specs claim it has an intel gma 3150 which I"m pretty sure is supported by linux almost fully. But when I open up KInfoCenter it shows an Intel N10 which is not supported. Anyway to force a try of the 3150 drivers in 11.04?
[17:40] <Ddpbf> yes
[17:41] <Ddpbf> you could tell phonon to use jackd
[17:41] <DarthFrog> Mind you, sound on Linux is a right royal dog's breakfast.
[17:42] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: intel gpus do not have proprietary drivers
[17:42] <palodequeso> right, intel provides the linux community with their source and specs
[17:42] <jorges_> I know... I've been fighting with this for years...
[17:43] <Ddpbf> intel writes floss drivers for allmost all its hardware
[17:43] <jorges_> I always got jackd running any way or another, but now with kubuntu 11.04... :S
[17:43] <palodequeso> right now my opengl is running on mesa... which is poop considering I'm working on some 3d code.
[17:43] <palodequeso> and I have an intel gma 3150 elsewhere which works fine
[17:43] <jorges_> I also have a problem with alsa, because it's got a critical bug with my soundcard delta66, but I know a workaround for that
[17:44] <palodequeso> Ddpbf: I wonder why kubuntu didn't pick up on the gma3150 then?
[17:44] <jorges_> but KDE always gives me problems when I install/upgrade
[17:45] <jorges_> DarthFrog: would it be possible to tell phonon to use jackd, and flash/firefox to use it too? always?
[17:45] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: i know that there is driver for it in archlinux
[17:46] <Ddpbf> then must be in *buntus
[17:46] <palodequeso> one would hope.
[17:46] <Ddpbf> give me few secs to check
[17:46] <palodequeso> okey doke, thanks a lot!
[17:46] <palodequeso> I've never had an intel gma card not automagically work.
[17:46] <palodequeso> I'm used to setting up nvidia cards
[17:46] <DarthFrog> jorges_: No idea but if you've got Phonon using it, I'd expect everything to be putting sound through it.  I don't think apps use the sound system independently.
[17:47] <maco> palodequeso: that the poulsbo chip that intel doesn't support the driver for?
[17:48] <palodequeso> maco: not sure
[17:48] <palodequeso> maco: lspci?
[17:48] <maco> hmm...nah looks like poulsbo is gma 500
[17:48] <palodequeso> weird, even lspci claims it's an N10 Family Integrated Graphics Contrtoller
[17:48] <palodequeso> but specs everywhere claim it's the 3150
[17:49] <palodequeso> this is a netbook with an intel atom
[17:49] <palodequeso> which I know has it's own issues, but so far everything but this works out of the box... even the webcam!
[17:49] <Ddpbf> what lsmdo says?
[17:50] <jorges_> now I'm using phonon ---> gstreamer
[17:50] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: wait, all is working? 3d etc?
[17:51] <jorges_> so why is kded4 using libasound? :(
[17:51] <palodequeso> Ddpbf: no, that's the only thing that's not. It's running in mesa :(
[17:51] <Ddpbf> jorges_: because kded4 starts all proceses in kde session
[17:52] <jorges_> aha
[17:54] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_500_on_Linux
[18:00] <palodequeso> Ddpbf: sorry, I got booted, my wife called and I was tethered to this ol' netbook
[18:00] <palodequeso> since I have verizon, that kills the tether
[18:00] <palodequeso> what should I grep for in lsmod to see the vid card stuffs
[18:00] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: wait it is hybrid gpu
[18:01] <Ddpbf> ie you have both intel and nvidia?
[18:01] <palodequeso> no no no
[18:01] <Ddpbf> or it isn ot case?
[18:02] <Ddpbf> asus ee pc wich it is
[18:03] <Ddpbf> ion, p1215...?
[18:03] <palodequeso> atom
[18:03] <palodequeso> one sec
[18:03] <palodequeso> I had the model number
[18:03] <palodequeso> 1015PE-BBK603
[18:03] <palodequeso> both newegg and best buy say it's an intel gma 310
[18:04] <linux-beginner-h> is there a known issue with dimap and kontact? I have expired 6000 mails but on the google server... all mails are still there...
[18:04] <Ddpbf> err i tought of this
[18:04] <Ddpbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#Specifications
[18:04] <linux-beginner-h> on the first sync after expire... kontact tells me... deleting messages on server... but this seems to be wrong
[18:05] <DarthFrog> palodequeso: Run "lspci | grep VGA", which will tell you what the system thinks it is.
[18:05] <Ddpbf> there is dozen netbooks with asus eee pc
[18:06] <Ddpbf> DarthFrog: probably he got model with gma500
[18:06] <Ddpbf> it is only intel gpu with bad linux support
[18:06] <DarthFrog> palodequeso: "lspci -v" will also tell you what kernel modules are used for it.
[18:10] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: it seem ther is launchpad ppa with correct drivers
[18:10] <Ddpbf> few of ppa actually
[18:15] <palodequeso> do you know which one?
[18:15] <palodequeso> I'll grab it quick
[18:15] <palodequeso> that would rule!!! :)
[18:16] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=gma500
[18:16] <palodequeso> you rock!
[18:16] <Ddpbf> but i do not know if  you actually have that gpu
[18:17] <Ddpbf> thats why i am asking type of eee
[18:18] <palodequeso> it's the asus eee seashell 1015PE-BBK603
[18:18] <Ddpbf> huh
[18:18] <palodequeso> that's the full model of eee pc
[18:18] <palodequeso> from asus
[18:19] <palodequeso> the specs say a gma 3150 online, but the lspci says some Intel N10 Integrated graphics card
[18:20] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf, lshw -C video , that will tell you the graphics card make and model , look at "product" in the output
[18:20] <palodequeso> The machine itself doesn't actually say the model number on it, but I got it from best buy, and that is the only model on their site that matches the specs of my machine
[18:20] <palodequeso> I suppose I could use the asus serial number
[18:21] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: [19:20] <BluesKaj> Ddpbf, lshw -C video , that will tell you the graphics card make and model , look at "product" in the output
[18:22] <palodequeso> N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[18:24] <Ddpbf> what lspci -v says
[18:25] <palodequeso> Intel Corporation N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[18:25] <palodequeso> and it says it's using the i915 driver
[18:26] <Ddpbf> try some of ppas
[18:26] <Ddpbf> it wont do any harm
[18:28] <palodequeso> true
[18:28] <palodequeso> although, I doubt it will autoswitch drivers :(
[18:29] <palodequeso> I'd have to try different ones I guess
[18:32] <Ddpbf> palodequeso: do you have xorg.conf?
[18:33] <palodequeso> I do not... I don't think it's there by default anymore
[18:34] <Ddpbf> try to configure it
[18:34] <Ddpbf> dkms knows to mess up all
[18:35] <Ddpbf> do you know how to configure?
[18:35] <palodequeso> xorg-reconfigure?
[18:35] <Ddpbf> nope
[18:35] <Ddpbf> http://www.osguides.net/operation-systems/217-how-to-create-xorgconf-in-ubuntu-910.html
[18:36] <BluesKaj> sudo Xorg -configure
[18:36] <Ddpbf> replace gdm with kdm and you ll be fine
[18:36] <Ddpbf> BluesKaj: yes, but it must be done from tty
[18:37] <Ddpbf> and with root permisions
[18:37] <palodequeso> cool
[18:38] <BluesKaj> hmm really , we used to reconfigure xorg.conf in the terminal as root ..has xorg permissions changed that much ?
[18:38] <palodequeso> yep
[18:38] <palodequeso> I used to do that too
[18:38] <BluesKaj> it's not as if he has to stop the kdm service
[18:39] <BluesKaj> may nedd to relogin
[18:39] <BluesKaj> need
[18:39] <Unit193> .ubottu would like to disagree
[18:40] <Ddpbf> i think it is necessary to restart kdm to aplay changes
[18:40] <BluesKaj> anyway i haven't had to reconfigure Xorg.conf in several yrs so I guess that's changed too
[18:41] <Ddpbf> :(
[18:42] <BluesKaj> seems a reboot is in order if you want immediate changes
[18:43] <Ddpbf> it is lonly logical
[18:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, my memory fails me again
[18:44] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :)
[18:44] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[18:46] <palodequeso> hmm, is the Xorg driver tag the name of it?
[18:46] <palodequeso> like nvidia for nvidia cards
[18:46] <palodequeso> and nv for open source nvidia drivers?
[18:47] <Ddpbf> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:47] <BluesKaj> nv could be the nouveau experimental nvidia driver
[18:50] <palodequeso> I think I need to run pineviewgm
[18:51] <palodequeso> it seems there are others that lspci claims N10 Family integrated but the specs claim GMA3150
[18:51] <palodequeso> so confusing
[18:53] <BluesKaj> palodequeso, look for video or grphics controller, intel may also have audio onboard chips
[18:53] <BluesKaj> or other bridges
[18:53] <faddy> hello
[18:53] <palodequeso> one quick thing to try would just be the intel testing ppa
[18:54] <bomber> hello
[18:54] <bomber> i was wondering if they stopped supporting 2.6.31-23-generic
[18:55] <bomber> i havent had any updates in over a month
[18:55] <BluesKaj> bomber, which kubuntu ?
[18:55] <bomber> #75-Ubuntu
[18:56] <BluesKaj> ??
[18:56] <bomber> im using kubuntu though
[18:56] <bomber> thats not right?
[18:56] <BluesKaj>  bomber , lsb_release -a
[18:57] <bomber> Ubuntu 9.10
[18:57] <palodequeso> finally found a good link, and a good ppa to update my gfx driver with
[18:57] <BluesKaj> yup , that's no longer supported , bomber
[18:58] <bomber> i tried installing or actually just running the live version of the 11.04 but it gives me the menu then the screen goes into no signal mode and the computer seems to still keep running and the cd drive light looks like its still running the cd
[18:59] <bomber> ok thanks... any tips on why i cant run or install any of the newer versions?
[19:00] <bomber> im gonna try and remove my video card and see what happens with just the onboard video
[19:00] <Ddpbf> bomber: what kind of internet connection you have?
[19:00] <palodequeso> fingers crossed, time to try it all out
[19:00] <palodequeso> thanks for the help everyone!
[19:00] <BluesKaj> bomber, internet upgrade to 10.04 , sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:00] <bomber> cable...... 20/10
[19:01] <bomber> ive tried that and after the upgrade i get no video... the screen goes blank after reboot and nothing happens
[19:01] <bomber> i then have to reinstall the 9.10 version
[19:02] <BluesKaj> no tty prompt  , bomber ?
[19:03] <bomber> nope... nothing.... the screen says no video input device found so its not recognizing my vid card it seems
[19:03] <BluesKaj> ok which video card ?
[19:03] <bomber> 1 sec i'll open it up... i forget.. i know its nvidia
[19:04] <BluesKaj> no need to open
[19:04] <BluesKaj> run sudo lshw -C video , look at product
[19:05] <bomber> G94 [GeForce 9600 GT]
[19:05] <bomber> nice thanks
[19:07] <BluesKaj> bomber, that card should work with the nvidia-current driver , I know it works on 10.10 and 11.04 ...dunno why it isn't on 10.04
[19:08] <bomber> i tried running the 11.04 and get the same results
[19:09] <BluesKaj> bomber, ok the live cd ?
[19:09] <bomber> yes amd 64 live cd
[19:09] <bomber> should i try the 32 bit?
[19:09] <BluesKaj> how old is your pc ?
[19:10] <bomber> not too old...... quad core amd phenom 2 processor so its fairly current
[19:10] <BluesKaj> hmm, that's really odd
[19:10] <bomber> i know... its been pissing me off for some time
[19:10] <BluesKaj> maybe the HW is a bit exotic ..perhaps the alternate install might work for you
[19:11] <bomber> maybe i'll remove the card and see if i can run the live cd and install it then try putting it back in
[19:11] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[19:11] <bomber> ok  i'll try that first
[19:12] <bomber> thanks for your time, i appreciate it
[19:12] <BluesKaj> np bomber , hope it works for you
[19:15] <bomber> niiiiiiice way faster today than yesterday... getting almost 2 megs a sec
[19:15] <bomber> 4 minutes remaining for a 650 meg download... lol
[19:16] <BluesKaj> nice
[19:16] <BluesKaj> I'm in the boonies so 750kbs is max for here
[19:18] <bomber> thats still pretty darn good...  sure beats the old 28.8 modem days... i remember being sooooo excited i could afford a 56k..lol
[19:19] <bomber> good talking to you... im headed out but when i get back i'll burn that and light a few candles and pray it works
[19:20] <BluesKaj> hehe, yeah ...we had no dsl for the first few yrs ...finally in 2002 it came down the pipe ...the first was 125kbs ..we thoght that was really fast ...10X the ave of the previous
[19:21] <BluesKaj> well bomber  , come back if you need to , use the other live cd to logon if heeded
[19:21] <BluesKaj> needed
[19:23] <Canvasian> Hello
[19:24] <Canvasian> I am using the Netbook Plasma workspace and I can't get anything to show up under "Contacts" in Search and Launch
[19:24] <Canvasian> I thought I just had to put them into the Kaddress book, but that doesn't seem to work
[19:24] <Canvasian> Anyone know?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> try contact
[19:25] <Canvasian> When I click on contact in the search and launch menu, nothing comes up
[19:26] <Canvasian> When I search for it, it just gives me KAddressBook
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Canvasian, type it in search
[19:27] <BluesKaj> dunno what your problem is ..isn't kaddressbook what you want?
[19:28] <Canvasian> No, on the plasma netbook workspace on the search and launch screen, there is a "Contacts" category
[19:28] <Canvasian> but nothing shows up in it, and I can't figure out how to make my contacts show up there
[19:28] <Canvasian> even though I have them listed in KAddressBook
[19:28] <BluesKaj> ok Kontact?
[19:29] <Canvasian> That might work
[19:30] <Canvasian> Hmmm... nope
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Kaddressbook in apps>office
[19:33] <Canvasian> Right, that's what I tried first. I have my contacts listed in there, but it doesn't show under Contacts in Search and Launch
[19:35] <Canvasian> Ah well, I will try some more later
[19:35] <Canvasian> Thank you
[19:36] <rafael> hello i am rafael
[19:36] <rafael> quero saber tem algum chat em br
[19:36] <rafael> urgente
[19:37] <rafael> alguem ai me ajuda
[19:38] <BluesKaj> !br | rafael
[19:43] <palodequeso> well, nothing worked. blah
[19:43] <palodequeso> mesa it is I guess
[19:46] <eamelink> Hi, I have just installed Kubuntu 11.04, and I have a question about the network manager applet (is that it's name?) It discovered my HSDPA modem, and now I'm connected (obviously ;)), and I see a cellphone-icon.
[19:47] <eamelink> If I left-click it, I get a menu with 'WLAN interface Create network connection', 'Enable networking' and 'Enable wireless'
[19:47] <eamelink> And 'Manage connections', where I can define connections.
[19:48] <eamelink> But how can I tell it for example to disconnect?
[19:48] <eamelink> Or, if I'm disconnected, to reconnect?
[19:48] <eamelink> If I right-click on the icon, nothing happens which seems very odd to me. I would expect the missing functionality to be there.
[19:48] <eamelink> So my question is, are you supposed to see something when you right-click on the network manager systray icon?
[20:06] <BluesKaj> eamelink, yes , not responding ?
[20:14] <eamelink> BluesKaj: I think so, there's just nothing happening if I right-click on the icon.
[20:14] <eamelink> Wait, it does now, after a reboot!
[20:15] <eamelink> But only once...
[20:15] <BluesKaj-den> eamelink, what happens if you just click on it ?
[20:16] <eamelink> Hmmm
[20:16] <eamelink> It did not work after all, not even a single time.
[20:17] <eamelink> If I just click on it (left mouse button), I see my configured wireless network, that I can click on
[20:18] <eamelink> If I click on that, it makes the wifi connection
[20:18] <BluesKaj-den> ok . check on connect automatically
[20:20] <eamelink> BluesKaj-den: I had that on for the HSDPA connection, but disabled it now.
[20:21] <eamelink> Actually, it seems to work quite nice; it always makes a 3G connection, if I connect to WiFi as well, then it uses the wifi connection, and if I disconnect from the WiFi, then it still has the 3G connection
[20:21] <eamelink> But I'd like to manually manage my 3G connection as well
[20:22] <BluesKaj-den> i have no knowledge of 3G stick connections ..just remove it if you want to use 3G
[20:22] <BluesKaj-den> don't
[20:23] <eamelink> I never remove it; it's builtin in my notebook, not a stick :P
[20:23] <eamelink> Thanks for all your help :)
[20:25] <BluesKaj-den> eamelink, well there must be an option to disable 3G and vice versa
[20:26] <david___> hi
[20:26] <david___> i am trying to use make command but it wont work idk why and it's my first time using it
[20:27] <eamelink> BluesKaj: That's what I would expect, but I can't seem to manually manage my 3G connection with it.
[20:27] <szal> define "wont work"
[20:27] <david___> trying to install the galaxium-<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:27] <szal> doesn't answer the question
[20:27] <david___> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[20:27] <eamelink> BluesKaj: I removed the checkbox before 'enable networking', and that killed my 3G connection, but now I can't get it to reconnect :P
[20:28] <szal> david___: are you following the build instructions?
[20:28] <david___> yes
[20:28] <david___> i did
[20:28] <david___> and this is the next step
[20:28] <david___> what i do now
[20:29] <szal> pastebin the build instructions
[20:29] <david___> w8
[20:30] <david___> http://pastebin.com/YfAr8XRW
[20:31] <BluesKaj> are you cd'd into the galaxium dir/folder , david___ ?  and did you run ./configure ?
[20:31] <david___> well i am in the dir
[20:32] <szal> pastebin output of sh autogen.sh
[20:32] <david___> but for the config w8
[20:32] <szal> BluesKaj: the instructions don't say anything about configure
[20:32] <szal> the autogen.sh should take care of that
[20:32] <BluesKaj> look at the readme
[20:33] <david___> look i did the configure but it give me same error
[20:34] <david___> :(
[20:34] <david___> i even installed the automake thing
[20:35]  * szal doubts that 'configure' throws the same error
[20:35] <david___> configure didn't do anything
[20:36] <david___> i run that configure and i tryed the make but it didn't work
[20:37] <david___> :(
[20:37] <david___> what i must do???
[20:38] <BluesKaj> what's the file extension on that app ?
[20:38] <david___> on what app?
[20:39] <david___> it was zip file
[20:39] <BluesKaj> galaxium
[20:39] <david___> yah
[20:42] <BluesKaj> david___, are you on gnome or kde?
[20:42] <david___> kde
[20:42] <BluesKaj> them why not use kopete
[20:42] <BluesKaj> then
[20:43] <david___> it don't have xifre
[20:43] <david___> xfire*
[20:44] <david___> idk but the make command is not working
[20:44] <david___> can u help me to fix it plz
[20:44] <BluesKaj> you may need some gtklibs installed since it's a gnome app
[20:45] <BluesKaj> david___, did you install build essential ?
[20:45] <david___> whats that?
[20:45] <BluesKaj> make is part of that app
[20:46] <BluesKaj> well it calls it
[20:46] <david___> yes i have it
[20:48] <david___> ok what i must do now :(
[20:49] <BluesKaj> install  Libegg  and Mono
[20:49] <david___> what are they?
[20:51] <david___> when i search there is a lot with mono
[20:51] <BluesKaj> they're requirements , look here http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Chat/Galaxium-Messenger-3546.shtml
[20:51] <david___> kk w8
[20:53] <david___> what s GTK#
[20:55] <david___> look idk what is Mono and i think it don't have to do anything with make command
[20:55] <david___> i tryed make command but it wont work at all
[20:56] <david___> for everything
[20:56] <BluesKaj> no it doesn't you just have to have it for the gtk
[20:56] <david___> i even tryed it on Ubuntu
[20:56] <BluesKaj> no no
[20:56] <david___> whats GTK?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> gnome base
[20:57] <BluesKaj> libs
[20:57] <david___> oh
[20:57] <david___> whats GTK# then?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> you already have it
[20:57] <BluesKaj> I'm sure
[20:57] <david___> kk
[20:58] <david___> http://www.mono-project.com/GtkSharp
[20:58] <BluesKaj> I think you need to start over ...get rid of the unzipped galaxium folder
[20:58] <david___> this is mono?
[20:58] <david___> ok w8
[20:58] <BluesKaj> yup that's it
[21:03] <david___> how install mono-devel
[21:04] <david___> what was the command?
[21:04] <david___> get app idk what lol
[21:05] <david___> sudo
[21:05] <david___> then what was it?
[21:06] <david___> nvm got it
[21:11] <david___> ok deleted the folder
[21:11] <david___> as u told me
[21:11] <david___> so what now
[21:15] <BluesKaj> extract it to your /home/"user"
[21:19] <BluesKaj> then study the readme and install textfiles in that folder for proper instructions
[21:29] <david___> oh ok
[21:29] <david___> i get the mono thing then i try it
[21:29] <david___> i gtg take care
[21:46] <NotQ> can anyone lend me a hand upgrading to 11.04?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> NotQ, which version are on ?
[21:52] <BluesKaj> you
[21:52] <NotQ> 10.10
[21:53] <BluesKaj> do yo have a good internet connection ?
[21:53] <NotQ> yep
[21:54] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo apt-get update first
[21:54] <NotQ> done
[21:55] <BluesKaj> then , sudo do-release-upgrade ..but make sure you disable any ppa repos that you added since the install
[21:56] <NotQ> ya i tried that, it says no new release found
[21:57] <BluesKaj> NotQ, run lsb_release -a
[21:58] <NotQ> says 10.10 maverick
[22:02] <netsurf3> hello ladys and gents does anyone know how stable the kde backports are for lucid?
[22:03] <NotQ> any idea why it cant find the new distro?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> NotQ, check your servers , or maybe change the server ,,,something is wrong with them/it
[22:04] <NotQ> sorry, im fairly new to linux, how do i change the server?
[22:04] <BluesKaj> netsurf3, uhm lucid is a mature release , how stable does it need to be
[22:07] <netsurf3> BluesKaj, the stock lucid kubuntu (kde 4.4) seems finicky there is a kubuntu ppa for backporting 4.6 and I think 4.5 I was wondering how likely this is to be more unstable than what I have already. Right now dolphin seems to crash fairly often and the indexer stringi keeps crashing also
[22:07] <BluesKaj> open the kpackagekit > settings>edit origins>download from
[22:08] <BluesKaj> netsurf3, not sure how kde 4.6 will behave on lucid ..sorry
[22:11] <BluesKaj> NotQ, try the main server . it's in the UK where kubuntu is based
[22:12] <NotQ> how do i connect to it?
[22:14] <BluesKaj> NotQ, did you change it in the kpackagekit , then run sudo apt-get update again , after closing
[22:15] <gomiboy> NotQ: under edit origins-->updates-->release upgrade set it to "Normal releases"
[22:18] <BluesKaj> gomiboy, good point ...didn't think to look that far down
[22:18] <NotQ> ok, changed it to uk server and it is set to normal releases
[22:19] <BluesKaj> ok sudo apt-get update , then try sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:20] <NotQ> gah, still says no new release found
[22:22] <BluesKaj> NotQ, alt+f2 type  /etc/apt/sources.list ...copy and paste the text on pastebin
[22:22] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[22:24] <NotQ> that doesnt seem to bring anything up in alt+f2 bar
[22:24] <NotQ> in konsole it says that that directory doesnt exist
[22:26] <BluesKaj>  /etc/apt/sources.list ...copy and paste that into the run command (alt+f2)
[22:26] <NotQ> thats what did
[22:27] <NotQ> thats what i did*
[22:27] <BluesKaj> and nothing ?
[22:27] <NotQ> nothing at all
[22:28] <NotQ> doesnt open anything
[22:28] <BluesKaj> ok run this in the terminal ,  sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:30] <NotQ> that doesnt seem to do anything either
[22:30] <NotQ> doesnt even give me an error message
[22:30] <NotQ> just brings up a new line
[22:31] <BluesKaj> http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/   try this NotQ
[22:31] <BluesKaj> BBL gotta go for now
[22:32] <NotQ> ok, thanks for your help
[22:37] <jwash|2> hey guys, i use xvnc quite heavily. when i disconnect a session and reconnect my programs get lost/hidden. its like i'm connecting to a console session first and another session second.
[22:37] <jwash|2> is there any way to make sure thati always connect to the same session when i reconnect to a disconnecte xvnc session?
[23:02] <slackmeister> good evening
[23:02] <slackmeister> morning/afternoon
[23:04] <slackmeister> question, in Ubuntu you can click on a .jar file and have it launched by java, can you do this in Kubuntu?
[23:04] <slackmeister> i know i can't do it with the KDE end of suse
[23:06] <Ddpbf> slackmeister: systemsettings->file asocciations and choose what you want
[23:06] <lcb> hiAll
[23:06] <Ddpbf> just type .jar and then select app
[23:07] <slackmeister> Ddpbf: thanks :)
[23:07] <Ddpbf> np
[23:46] <lcb> guys and gals - when you drag any window to the top edge (touching the cursor on it) you'll have a border snap zone marked. If you release the mouse button that window will stay/snap on that border . Do you now the settings option to manage the sizes of it?
[23:47] <lcb> now/KNOW
[23:59] <bomber> hello


[03:28] <hallyn> cyphermox: sforshee: i built wpa 2.6-4 from debian experimental on xenial and installed on my laptop- success.  2.1 and the default 2.4 fail to connect (to my blackberry hotspot phone as hotspot)
[03:29] <hallyn> thanks to that assine ci train crap polluting my laptop i had to build ina container, else i'd consider trying to bisect or something
[10:35] <ricotz> hello, please take notice of this upload failure https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/12622891
[10:38] <apw> ricotz, *expletive deleted*
[10:39] <apw> ricotz, how did you get informed of that
[10:40] <ricotz> apw, I am using the hwe-edge kernel
[10:40] <apw> ahh
[10:40] <ricotz> while the i386 turned up the amd64 didnt, so I have looked
[10:42] <ricotz> apw, I assume you deleted the conflicting package and going to retry this amd64 build?
[10:42] <apw> ricotz, i am going to do something
[10:42] <ricotz> alright
[10:43] <apw> ricotz, the conflicting package has already gone, but there is some nbs in teh PPA i think
[12:06] <steven> oi guys, is there a log of sorts for canonicals live patch service?
[12:19] <refeaime> Hello
[12:19] <refeaime> Does ext4 devs are here?
[12:32] <steven> try #ext4 and #linuxfs refeaime
[12:42] <apw> Beret,
[12:42] <apw> bbcmicrocomputer, s
[12:43]  * apw hits his keyboard with a large stick ... sorry
[12:43] <ogra_> just remove the tab key ;)
[12:43] <Beret> steven, - canonical-livepatch status --verbose
[12:43] <apw> xnox, hey ... cgroup2 /sys/fs/cgroup/unified ... is that something we turned on in artful in systemd ?
[12:43]  * apw boggles that B-eret happend to the be right person for that
[12:46]  * Beret boggles at andy's lack of aith
[12:46] <Beret> faith
[12:46] <apw> Beret, heh, no i mean i hit B<tab> by accident, nothing to do with the preceeding lines, and in attempting to hit <del> i hit <ret>
[12:47] <Beret> hah
[12:47] <apw> so that you might know the answer was just complete bonus
[12:50] <steven> the bin doesnt exist on my system Beret
[12:51] <steven> only /snap/canonical-livepatch/22/canonical-livepatchd
[12:52] <xnox> apw, yes
[12:52] <Beret> steven, you don't have /snap/bin/canonical-livepatch ?
[12:52] <xnox> apw, there are a few things that need fixing still, but so far it's working ok. What did you notice?
[12:52] <xnox> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/NEWS#L15
[12:53] <steven> ah I dont have snap in my PATH that was it :D
[12:53] <steven> Beret: can I see the last time it did patch?
[12:53] <steven> I just see last checked
[12:54]  * Beret looks for a machine that isn't freshly rebooted
[12:54] <cyphermox> hallyn: if you send debug logs for wpa (working and not working), maybe we can tell from that what patch you'd be missing.
[12:55] <cyphermox> or if you tell me what hardware, maybe I have something close enough that it will fail as well
[12:59] <steven> backstory, my server crashed big time last night. was unable to use it so I had to hard reset it (pull the plug) and that shit never happened
[12:59] <steven> the only thing I did was enable live patch a week ago or two
[13:00] <Beret> apw, can you grab a colleague who's working on CLP?
[13:00] <Beret> bjf, awake?
[13:01] <apw> ben_r, ^
[14:00] <hallyn> cyphermox: well the laptop is thinkpad t440s with Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 nic;  hotspot is blackberry passport phone.  the bad wpa logfile is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24624453/ , i'll generate a new good one in a bit
[14:31] <hallyn> cyphermox: the logfile when it works (wpa 2.6)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24634013/
[15:07] <cyphermox> hallyn: cool, I'll look
[15:07] <cyphermox> I would start to be suspicious of whatever your blackberry does for an accesspoint though
[15:10] <hallyn> yeah, but like i say a nokia n9 (linux) and a windows laptop have no issue.
[15:22] <sforshee> tseliot: I have some updates for the nvidia drivers to fix build issues with 4.11 - bug 1691839 and bug 1691841
[15:26] <cyphermox> hallyn: that doesn't mean much, they could be just as "broken", but since there's a patch somewhere we can apply...
[15:26] <tseliot> sforshee: cool, thanks, I'll have a look at them soon
[15:28] <cyphermox> hallyn: I think I see a hint to find the right patch; there's that cmd 20 there that happens before authenticate in the broken case, and before deauth in the working case. It might be nothing but it gives me something to look for
[15:29] <hallyn> cyphermox: cool.  what's cmd 20
[15:29] <cyphermox> del_station
[15:29] <cyphermox> something I'd expect to see "more" when deauthenticating than when authenticating
[15:29] <cyphermox> but I'm no wifi expert
[15:39] <cyphermox> sforshee: halp, could use your input as well :)
[15:54] <sforshee> cyphermox: when I looked yesterday it looked like the hotspot didn't like the association data for some reason, which caused the kernel to send that cmd 20
[15:54] <cyphermox> ja
[15:56] <sforshee> cyphermox: I'd need to refresh my memory to make sense of what those supplicant logs add to the picture
[15:56] <cyphermox> it doesn't seem to add much to what you've just said
[15:57] <sforshee> but there's nothing that really tells us _why_ it didn't like it
[15:57] <cyphermox> at least not to me to try to find what patch might be missing
[15:57] <cyphermox> right
[15:57] <cyphermox> the status is rejected, unspecified.
[15:59] <sforshee> I guess if hallyn sniffed the on-air frames from both a successful connection and a failed one we could see what's different
[16:07] <hallyn> can i tcpdump -i wlan0 on the laptop itself or will that miss them?
[16:13] <sforshee> hallyn: you might need to have a monitor interface to get the wlan frames, I can't remember for sure. /me tries.
[16:14] <hallyn> (gonna be in meetings for awhile so won't be able to try for awhile)
[16:15] <hallyn> i wish i could get logs from the bb itself.  if only i had a purely open source modern phone ...
[16:19] <sforshee> hallyn: I'm only seeing higher-level frames that way
[16:23] <sforshee> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24634952/ will get the wlan frames
[16:31] <sforshee> didn't show this, but don't forget to use -w to actually capture the frames to a pcap
[17:11] <hallyn> and you want to see the result of that with the broken wpasuplicant?
[17:24] <sforshee> hallyn: oh, is there a supplicant that works? I must have missed that part. What would be most useful is to see a working and non-working association to compare them.
[17:48] <hallyn> sforshee: yeah, when i take 2.6 from debian experimental, and install it in xenial (built in a xenial container), that works
[17:48] <hallyn> (2.4 from zesty does not work)


[08:21] <yofel_> wth is /sys/fs/cgroup o.O?
[09:37] <Ian_Corne> ey my clock is gone
[09:38] <Ian_Corne> hrmf even after unity --reset
[09:39] <jtaylor> did you reinstall datetimeindicator?
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> um
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> no
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> not that I know
[10:02] <Ian_Corne> The following NEW packages will be installed: indicator-datetime
[10:03] <Ian_Corne> ok seems like it got eaten up by an update somwehere
[10:05] <jtaylor> yes unity upgrade killed it if you weren't carefull
[10:05] <jtaylor> always read dist-upgrade log carefully
[12:46] <tech2> Hi all, I note that dnsmasq has changed where it's reading config from, from /etc/dnsmasq.conf to /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf and wondered if anyone knew much about the change, whether I need to maintain its config differently, etc.?
[12:50] <penguin42> tech2: That sounds more like it's being started by network manager which is telling it to use that file
[12:52] <tech2> penguin42: ok, that's a great start, and chances are that yes, it is. It seems to be a recent change though (dns wasn't working for me when I last restarted and I had to work out why), so I'm wondering if this is something I need to configure/manage differently, or if I can just copy my old config to /var/run (which seems counterintuitive)
[12:53] <aguitel> how to make autologin in xubuntu 12.04 ?
[12:53] <penguin42> tech2: Not sure, I agree it's probably not the right thing to copy it to /var/run
[12:54] <penguin42> tech2: If nm is running dns-masq I'd expect you can still run your own instance as well
[12:55] <tech2> thanks penguin42, looks like I have more reading to do :/
[13:28] <ebischoff> Hello all. Precise is being tested here for a while and mostly works great. However, I found something strange today : libreoffice-writer has no icon in KDE's quick launcher. It's really not a problem, but I found it was better to report it. I hope that helps.
[13:29] <aguitel> how to make autologin in xubuntu 12.04
[13:49] <ikonia> ebischoff: log a bug, reporting it in an irc channel doesn't do anything
[13:51] <ebischoff> honestly, I don't know whether i will do it, given the success of my previous bug reports (against radeon and kmail). but thanks ikonia.
[14:07] <acer_aspire8930> running ubuntu 12.04 but the kernel version still only allows me to boot 3.0.0-13-generic.  I have to manually edit the boot loader to read 3.2.0-8.generic,  I have run sudo grub-update, but nothing seems to change,
[14:08] <jtaylor> acer_aspire8930: 3.0 an oneiric kernel?
[14:08] <acer_aspire8930> yes it is
[14:08] <jtaylor> you have grub installed from that so it stays the default
[14:08] <aguitel> i have crash report in the panel ,but i cannot read this ,how i read this?
[14:08] <acer_aspire8930> I update-manager -d 11.10
[14:08] <jtaylor> you ahve to reinstall grub from precise to get it default in the menu
[14:09] <jtaylor> hm it might be different in that case
[14:09] <acer_aspire8930> how do I reinstall grub for 12.04
[14:09] <jtaylor> sudo grub-install /dev/<some-device>
[14:10] <penguin42> acer_aspire8930: How is your machine setup - does it just have oneiric updated to precise on it or does it have some bual boot ?
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> ok thanks
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> 11.10 updated to 12.04
[14:10] <jtaylor> though as always when dealing with grub there is a chance that things get screwed up
[14:10] <jtaylor> so to stay safe stick with editing the cfg
[14:10] <acer_aspire8930> ok sure will do
[14:11] <acer_aspire8930> thanks for the advise
[14:13] <aguitel> i have crash report in the panel ,but i cannot read this ,how i read this?
[14:13] <aguitel> where are the crash report stored ?
[14:15] <penguin42>  /var/crash
[14:16] <aguitel> penguin42, thanks
[14:16] <penguin42> aguitel: The apport-* commands can unpack and generally fiddle with them
[14:24] <scarleo> Hi, I'm having some trouble with my broadcom driver in Precise, I have to modprobe wl every startup. Is it a known issue and can it be fixed?
[14:25] <scarleo> to clarify: wl is loaded but I need to modprobe -r wl; modprobe wl
[14:37] <aguitel> any twitter client for xfce ?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:44] <CT1> Hi.  Apart from bugs bugging things up, will installing precise alpha 1 and up(dating)/(grading) result in the same system when 12.04 is released as if I'd installed 12.04 final?
[14:45] <rigved> hi everyone.
[14:45] <penguin42> CT1: In principal, but there can be a few differences
[14:46] <penguin42> CT1: For example earlier alphas might decide to install a package that later ones don't need, also there a few things that get fixed in some of the update scripts that might not have been in hte alpha
[14:48] <rigved> i think the zeitgeist daemon is not working on my 12.04. Everytime i type "cal" in the dash search bar, it displays libreoffice calc. Then i select the calculator. So, next time when i type "cal", is should display the calculator as the first result, right?
[14:49] <CT1> penguin42: Are those various "things" not upgraded/removed (when I update)? Does it depend on what alpha I originally installed?
[14:49] <CT1> penguin42: (bugs asside)
[14:50] <penguin42> CT1: I don't think extra packages that were previously installed necessarily get removed, and the other fixes I was thinking of I think end up in the scripts in do-release-upgrade etc - they're fixes for odd things that don't fit well in packages
[14:53] <scarleo> rigved: Hi, not sure how it's supposed to work but I have that same behaviour in both 12.04 and 11.10. Never had it "learn" anything
[14:54] <CT1> penguin42: I'm halfway around the world visiting my brother.  I want to upgrade his (dual boot with win7) Lucid to something that (eventually) will be stable/LTS.  He uses Ubuntu every now and then.  When I leave, I'd like to know that the alpha will be auto-updated/upgraded to the final release.  Would this not be the case?
[14:55] <rigved> scarleo: ah. ok then. actually my 11.10 was also similar. i thought that using the history stored by zeitgeist, the items should get ordered. anyways, thanks! at least now i know that it is the default behaviour.
[14:56] <penguin42> CT1: It should upgrade all the packages but as I said there may be a few things not quite the same; also remember that what you have now is an alpha and there may be things horribly broken that could cause problems
[14:57] <CT1> penguin42: Thankyou for your advice.  I'll leave Lucid untill my next visit.
[14:57] <penguin42> CT1: Yeh probably best bet
[14:58] <dsdale> Hi folks. Is anyone else seeing "The permission of the setuid helper is not correct" errors?
[15:01] <anadon> hey, how stable is 12.04 now?
[15:02] <anadon> last time I tried, there were x11 issues, and a bad libre-office upgrade
[15:02] <Daekdroom> Not stable enough.
[15:02] <jtaylor> well a new X is about to land, so that will start over ^^
[15:03] <anadon> good
[15:03] <anadon> I'd like to get my hands on a more stable ubuntu
[15:03] <penguin42> jtaylor: Oh that should be fun :-)
[15:03] <anadon> god knows we've all had more boot-loader issues than anyone cares to count
[15:04] <jtaylor> I didn't have any boot issues yet
[15:05] <jtaylor> but sound is borked in the same way as happend last cycle to me :/
[15:05] <jtaylor> there can only be one application emitting sound, when I start two everything mutes
[15:05] <anadon> great fun, right?
[15:06] <penguin42> jtaylor: That's almost as if something isn't using pulse
[15:06] <jtaylor> no idea
[15:06] <jtaylor> last time it just disappeared after a reinstall
[15:06] <anadon> any word on wayland?
[15:07] <jtaylor> I should try that again, only takes 10 minutes with eatmydata ;)
[15:07] <penguin42> jtaylor: if you have something with sound playing you could look at the file descriptors it has open and see if it has the /dev/snd/* open directly
[15:08] <jtaylor> it has
[15:09] <penguin42> yeh, I had that problem a few weeks ago - I think it sorted it self out for me, although not tried rebooting yet after this weeks updates
[15:23] <dsdale> I'm getting errors when I try to upgrade nux-tools: "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_nux.py', which is also in package libnux-0.9-common 0.9.48-0ubuntu4". Anyone know a workaround?
[15:24] <jokerdino> just rm it?
[15:31] <chmac> Click on the clock, Time & Date Settings > Clock > Time in other locations > Choose Locations... What needs to go in the entries? I'm getting no auto-complete and whatever I try doesn't work.
[15:32] <chmac> I'm trying "Sydney", "Sydney/Australia", "UTC+2", none of it's working.
[15:32] <chmac> I liked that feature previously, the little map showing daylight hours, the dots for my chosen locations, was very helpful.
[15:33] <penguin42> chmac: Can you submit a bug for that, it should help you out
[15:34] <chmac> penguin42: Does it work on your system?
[15:34] <chmac> penguin42: I was going to ask on #ubuntu, see if it works for folks on 11.10
[15:34] <penguin42> chmac: If I type I get noauto complete etc - but when I hit return it gives me a list based on what I typed in
[15:35] <chmac> Bingo, you're right, same here.
[15:35] <penguin42> that's not too bad - may be not obvious
[15:35] <chmac> penguin42: It's probably working as expected then, but maybe not as intuitive as it could be, or maybe it's my slow net connection that it takes a while to laod.
[15:35] <chmac> s/laod/load
[15:36] <penguin42> nod - it's quite nice being able to add that
[15:40] <chmac> penguin42: Can you add Vancouver? Nothing's coming up for me...
[15:40] <chmac> It's definitely not intuitive!
[15:41] <penguin42> no, it doesn't show that
[15:41] <penguin42> odd
[15:41] <chmac> I can't get it to return anything on the west coast of the US / Canada.
[15:42] <chmac> Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver, none of them work.
[15:44] <chmac> Oh well, Portland works
[15:44] <chmac> I suppose that'll do... :-)
[15:51] <BluesKaj> chm I'm in eastern time zone in Canada, but my city doesn't show either ,but Toronto works for me
[15:51] <BluesKaj> oops , too late
[17:24] <aguitel> what is the twitter client native from xfce ?
[17:27] <zniavre_> there is ?
[17:28] <aguitel> i dont know
[17:28] <zniavre_> i only know gwibber
[17:28] <zniavre_> knows *
[17:28] <aguitel> me oo
[17:28] <aguitel> too
[17:28] <zniavre_> :o)
[18:07] <aguitel> is razor qt running in 12.04 ?
[18:33] <rebe> redshift is in my autostart, but it doesn't start with ubuntu, why is that ?
[18:34] <jtaylor> what happens when you start it in a terminal
[18:36] <rebe> http://pastebin.com/TyyhrhwY
[18:37] <rebe> when I start it manualy (gui version) it's ok
[18:37] <rebe> and it was ok with autostart, only recently last couple days, it fails to start
[18:38] <pdq> it didn't work for me either when added to startup applications, i found when i added the latitude longitude to the command it worked. it was the geoclue failing
[18:38] <mrdeb> hi
[18:39] <mrdeb> is 1204 almost ready to put on a pc
[18:39] <mrdeb> ?
[18:39] <rebe> I'll try that pdg
[18:42] <pdq> okie
[18:44] <aguitel> is razor qt running in 12.04 ?
[18:44] <mrdeb> what is that
[18:46] <mrdeb> ?
[18:48] <aguitel> http://razor-qt.org/
[18:50] <mrdeb> ok
[18:56] <mrdeb> hi rebe
[18:57] <rebe> hi
[18:59] <rebe> pdg you added it to autostart command ?
[18:59] <rebe> or in terminal ?
[19:00] <pdq> rebe, i added it to the startup applications gui like: redshift -l 49.89:-97.17 -t 6500:5500
[19:00] <rebe> what that -t is ?
[19:01] <pdq> -t is the daytime:nightime temps
[19:02] <rebe> oh, ok
[19:02] <pdq> can check for the options: man redshift
[19:02] <rebe> I also have a problem with pidgin autostart, it starts but cannot connect
[19:02] <rebe> I have to start it manualy
[19:02] <rebe> (Pidgin:2766): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap"
[19:03] <rebe> here's what terminal shows
[19:12] <rebe> pdg, it worked thx :)
[19:12] <pdq> nice :]
[19:13] <rebe> and with that pidgin it says (waiting for internet conenction) on autostart and it's never ending story, so I guess that pidgin starts before connection is established and than it blocks somehow
[19:14] <pdq> this is in 12.04? yeah sounds like needs delay or something
[19:14] <rebe> and way to delay autostart app, so it waits let's say 10 sec ?
[19:14] <rebe> any way*
[19:14] <rebe> Pidgin 2.10.0 (libpurple 2.10.0)
[19:16] <rebe> also "show system tray" doens't work in pidgin
[19:16] <pdq> you're in 12.04?
[19:16] <imnichol> I've got a bug in oneconf that is marked as "invalid" and is not assigned to anyone.  What can I do to get the attention of the right person?
[19:16] <pdq> maybe can try http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7737297&postcount=11 i dont autostart anything but redshift and screen
[19:18] <rebe> pdg I'm in 11.10
[19:19] <pdq> ah, if ask in main ubuntu chan prob get better responses
[19:19] <rebe> I did lol they told me to ask here :)
[19:19] <pdq> oh lol
[19:20] <pdq> i use gnome-shell myself so i dunno unity stuffs like their indicators
[19:20] <mrdeb> ok
[19:20] <mrdeb> well good luck
[19:28] <rebe> I fixed that pidgin :)
[19:29] <rebe> sh -c "sleep 10 && /usr/bin/pidgin &" delays autostart
[19:29] <pdq> kewl
[19:52] <rebe> there is no way to enable global menu only when window is maximized in 11.10 ?
[20:52] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:53] <FernandoMiguel> unity is boarked :(
[20:54] <urlin2u> you have 2d or gnome-shell installed? Have you tweaked conpiz?
[20:54] <urlin2u> compiz*
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> I've tweaked compiz A LOT
[20:56] <FernandoMiguel> is the only way I could use Unity :)
[21:02] <urlin2u> FernandoMiguel, I have mine tweaked as well in 11.10 though, it has to be done right, and I need a compiz restart at times to get the window headers back.
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> eheh
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> unity update wants to remove ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> bah
[21:05] <urlin2u> lol go for it live on the bleeding edge. I know yiou know better just joking.
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> I just don't upgrade such packages till they are read
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> *ready
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> glad I have 11.10 and 12.04 live ISOs set on GRUB2 and ChromeOS installed on disk
[22:33] <mrdeb> hi, is pangolin ubuntu good enough fo use now
[22:34] <mrdeb> who knowsthis
[22:35] <pangolin> not yet
[22:35] <mrdeb> wow ok
[22:35] <mrdeb> well but 1204 will be here tsoon, so which is better to instaln now
[22:36] <mrdeb> hmm?
[23:18] <osmosis> Will Pangolin use Python3 by default?
[23:20] <jtaylor> no
[23:20] <jtaylor> thats insane
[23:21] <jtaylor> if you mean python = python3
[23:21] <osmosis> will python3 ever be default?
[23:21] <jtaylor> in many years perhaps