[00:20] <LogicallyDashing> aar: as of KDE4 you have a "Run Command Interface" summoned by alt+f2 by default that acts quite a lot like katapult. You can make it *look* more like katapult in the settings.
[01:12] <vladislavb> Hello all, Anyone know if the kde integration of the OpenOffice Save As dialog has been fixed in 11.04?
[01:12] <vladislavb> It is very slow here
[01:12] <vladislavb> (in libreoffice)
[01:18] <vladislavb> i guess not.. as the whole kde integration thing is a bit buggy in libreoffice too i would guess
[01:18] <vladislavb> I'll see when 11.04 comes out, then perhaps it'll look nice and work nice!
[01:19] <arkanabar> dunno, seems to work ok for me in PCLOS.
[01:20] <arkanabar> in fact, the save-as diaog box pops up almost instantly.
[01:51] <nfrs> hi
[01:51] <nfrs> using 10.04.2: I drag-and-dropped an application to a panel, how do I change its icon? right click->icon settings only allows to "edit file type", which I don't want
[02:04] <kaiyin_> I have installed texlive2010 from their iso image, is there a way install kile without installing its dependencies (such as texlive2009)?
[03:15] <katsrc> hey, is ubuntu-minimal a dependency for Kubuntu desktop?
[04:03] <mole_> Daskreech: i spoke to soon about my graphics
[04:03] <mole_> Daskreech: when i have gwenview open my display stalls :(
[04:15] <yixin_> what's this channel for??
[04:16] <mase_wk> yixin_: Kubuntu support
[04:16] <yixin_> o,I see
[04:16] <yixin_> 3Q
[04:32] <Daskreech> katsrc: not .. really but
[04:32] <Daskreech> yixin_: What's 3Q ?
[04:32] <Daskreech> mole_: Just Gwenview?  Also please use family friendly language in this channel. I understand you are frustrated but the channel is for everyone
[04:51] <mole_> sorry... it's my upbringing i swear ;)
[04:51] <mole_> business rules apply
[04:53] <mase_wk> mole_: so what issue are you running into ?
[04:53] <mole_> oh umm
[04:54] <mole_> give me a sec i got a bug filed on the one about the queing of the remote protocols
[04:54] <mole_> but not on my intel graphics yet
[04:54] <mase_wk> i have a 3.5 test machine handy and a 4.6.2 test machine
[04:54] <mole_> on my netbook
[04:54] <mole_> aight
[04:54] <mole_> so do i
[04:54] <mole_> i haven't tested most recent upgrade from yesterday
[04:56] <mole_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264557
[05:19] <katsrc> Daskreech: why is ubuntu-minimal install on Kubuntu?
[05:20] <Daskreech> katsrc: it's the smallest set of packages that are needed to make Ubuntu boot
[05:20] <katsrc> is there a way to get pure KDE, and un-install the unused components?
[05:20] <katsrc> Daskreech: ah, ok
[05:20] <Daskreech> katsrc: Umm.. Which unused components?
[05:20] <katsrc> Daskreech: but totally not a requirement for Kubuntu?
[05:21] <katsrc> is it for the live CD only?
[05:21] <katsrc> Daskreech: anything non-KDE?
[05:21] <Daskreech> I'll just note here if you get pure KDE you are likely to leave a lot of it unused so you have a conflicting statement :)
[05:21] <Daskreech> KDE relies on lots of things that are not KDE
[05:21] <katsrc> Daskreech: a lot of GTK packages?
[05:22] <Daskreech> If you are worried about having things from other toolkits you have OO.o and that's about it
[05:23] <Daskreech> Or Libre office
[05:23] <katsrc> Daskreech: like this for example: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[05:23] <Daskreech> katsrc: You could just follow that :-p
[05:26] <Daskreech> But there aer not a lot of gtk packages in Kubuntu
[05:27] <Daskreech> if Koffice/Calligra ever went stable they would probably take them all out
[05:29] <katsrc> yeah i tend to use KOffice more
[05:35] <mole_> heh... bug confirmed!
[05:35] <mole_> thx!
[05:35] <mole_> never hang out here but i've seriously run kde since 1997 lol
[06:30] <Kaleidoscope> Anyone alive?
[06:32] <valorie> !ask | Kaleidoscope
[06:33] <Kaleidoscope> Is there a way I can change my Audio Card Driver?
[06:34] <Kaleidoscope> Or failing that, A way I can use a windows one on Linux
[06:35] <mole_> what is the problem exactly?
[06:35] <mole_> no sound?
[06:36] <Kaleidoscope> I got sound, But my Headphone Port doesn't work at all
[06:36] <mole_> have you run alsamixer and made sure it is not muted?
[06:36] <Kaleidoscope> Yea
[06:36] <mole_> does the one at hte back work?
[06:36] <mole_> are you using a front port?
[06:36] <Kaleidoscope> Only one port
[06:36] <Kaleidoscope> I'm on a laptop
[06:37] <mole_> and no hardware mute?
[06:37] <mole_> function+mute?
[06:37] <Kaleidoscope> Nope
[06:37] <mole_> head phones known to be good?
[06:37] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, work fine on windows
[06:39] <mole_> lspci | grep -i audio
[06:39] <mole_> paste that to the channel
[06:39] <Kaleidoscope> lspci | grep -i audio
[06:39] <mole_> lol
[06:39] <mole_> the output of that command smartass
[06:39] <Kaleidoscope> OH
[06:40] <valorie> rofl
[06:40] <Kaleidoscope> Sorry, I'm kinda half asleep here
[06:40] <mole_> sure sure
[06:40] <Kaleidoscope> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[06:40] <Kaleidoscope> 01:05.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4200]
[06:40] <mole_> weird
[06:41] <mole_> you have to select your default sound card in .asoundrc in /home/username/
[06:41] <mole_> you have 2 sound cards
[06:42] <Kaleidoscope> I set Azalia as the default
[06:42] <Kaleidoscope> The Radeon one only handles the HDMI port
[06:42] <mole_> and for sure it's not muted?
[06:42] <Kaleidoscope> For sure
[06:43] <mole_> sounds like a weird piece of hardware
[06:43] <mole_> sometimes u need special options in /etc/modules.autoload.d/
[06:43] <mole_> or whatever that file is
[06:43] <mole_> just so that when it modprobes it works properly
[06:43] <mole_> is this a nettop by chance?
[06:43] <Kaleidoscope> no
[06:44] <mole_> could be this
[06:44] <mole_> edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:44] <mole_> add at the end of the file:
[06:44] <mole_> options snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[06:44] <mole_> no guarantees tho
[06:44] <FloodBotK2> mole_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:45] <mole_> you will obviously have to reload alsa
[06:45] <mole_> if u don't know what you're doing then probably reboot would be best bet
[06:45] <Kaleidoscope> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[06:45] <Kaleidoscope> Error: no write permission for file "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base"
[06:45] <mole_> lol
[06:45] <mole_> "sudo"
[06:45] <Kaleidoscope> Oh
[06:46] <Kaleidoscope> I'm still new to this stuff =P
[06:46] <mole_> ye
[06:46] <mole_> it's all good dawg
[06:46] <mole_> just becareful
[06:46] <mole_> :?P
[06:46] <mole_> always good to back up anything u modify
[06:46] <mole_> but before you modify it
[06:46] <mole_> u know?
[06:46] <Kaleidoscope> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[06:46] <Kaleidoscope> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/octet-stream"
[06:46] <mole_> umm
[06:47] <mole_> u are using some sort of gui?
[06:47] <Kaleidoscope> No, I typed all that straight into the terminal, If that's what you mean
[06:47] <mole_> okay
[06:48] <mole_> just go alt+f2
[06:48] <mole_> if u are running kubuntu of course
[06:48] <mole_> and type kdesudo kate
[06:48] <mole_> then open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:48] <mole_> and add
[06:49] <mole_> options snd-hda-intel model=laptop
[06:49] <mole_> to the bottom
[06:49] <mole_> and because you are noob
[06:49] <mole_> reboot
[06:49] <FloodBotK2> mole_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:49] <Kaleidoscope> alsa-base.conf?
[06:49] <mole_> if it it exists
[06:50] <mole_> if it doesn't list the files that do exist that sound like that
[06:51] <Kaleidoscope> Alright added and saved that, So back in a few
[06:51] <mole_> good luck
[06:51] <mole_> no guarantees
[06:51] <mole_> best bet it's something like that tho
[06:51] <mole_> so google the shit out of it
[06:51] <Kaleidoscope> Hopefully
[06:51] <bazhang> mole_, watch the language
[06:51] <mole_> sorry
[06:51] <bazhang> !google > mole_
[06:51] <mole_> :/
[06:52] <mole_> lol stupid bot
[06:52] <gn0m3boy> mole:  'tis ok.  your not the first to ever get busted on that   :)
[06:52] <mole_> ;)
[06:54] <Kaleidoscope> WOO, That worked, Mane thanks Mole_
[06:54] <mole_> lolzor
[06:54] <mole_> nice
[06:54] <mole_> maybe u r'nt so noob
[06:55] <Kaleidoscope> oh shi
[06:55] <mole_> ye yee
[06:55] <Kaleidoscope> Now the Laptop speakers don't work XD
[06:55] <mole_> lol
[06:55] <mole_> nice
[06:55] <Kaleidoscope> I know, right
[06:55] <mole_> u have to unplug headphones for them to work
[06:55] <Kaleidoscope> Obviously
[06:55] <Kaleidoscope> I did that, nothing
[06:56] <mole_> double check alsamixer for levels and mute
[06:56] <Kaleidoscope> Ugh, How do I open that again?
[06:56] <mole_> alt+f2
[06:56] <mole_> type konsole
[06:56] <mole_> then type
[06:56] <mole_> alsamixer
[06:56] <FloodBotK2> mole_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:58] <Kaleidoscope> Everything is unmuted
[06:59] <mole_> hmm
[06:59] <mole_> so u want headphones and line out working at same time?
[06:59] <mole_> or speaker ot don't work at all?
[06:59] <Kaleidoscope> No, Headphones when they're plugged in, Internal speakers when they're not
[07:00] <mole_> ye
[07:01] <mole_> what kind of computer is this?
[07:01] <mole_> like make / model
[07:02] <Kaleidoscope> HP Laptop G61-631nr
[07:04] <mole_> are you running kubuntu?
[07:05] <Kaleidoscope> Yea, 10.10
[07:05] <Kaleidoscope> I <3 KDE
[07:07] <mole_> i'm pretty tired
[07:07] <mole_> so i could probably figure it out
[07:07] <mole_> but basically read this
[07:07] <mole_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:07] <Kaleidoscope> Alright, thanks =D
[07:08] <mr_bamboostick> hi. i'm on a German kubuntu 10.10 and updating through Taiwanese package sources. Updating the package cache sometimes produces a strange error message that roughly translates to: "unable to lock module — system settings: explicitly locking the module is not possible. please close all other package managers accessing it."
[07:09] <mr_bamboostick> anybody familiar with this kind of message?!
[07:09] <bazhang> mr_bamboostick, yes, you can only use one instance of apt at a time.
[07:09] <valorie> yes, it means you have something else running with sudo
[07:10] <bazhang> mr_bamboostick, close other package managers or let them finish, then close them
[07:10] <mr_bamboostick> hmmm... well, i actually don't
[07:10] <mr_bamboostick> nothing else running
[07:10] <bazhang> mr_bamboostick, open a konsole and type top
[07:10] <mr_bamboostick> ok, hang on…
[07:10] <bazhang> or use sudo as valorie suggested
[07:11] <mr_bamboostick> what does "top" do?
[07:11] <bazhang> show running processes
[07:11] <mr_bamboostick> ah, right
[07:12] <bazhang> if its not running then its a sudo issue
[07:13] <mr_bamboostick> will logging out and back in again possibly solve the problem?
[07:14] <bazhang> not a good idea if apt is running. try with sudo first
[07:18] <mr_bamboostick> ok, i killed a process displayed as "kpackagekitsmar" by top. Was that good or bad? :)
[07:19] <mole_> why not
[07:20] <mole_> i would too...
[07:20] <mole_> u know?
[07:24] <mr_bamboostick> If a GANGster is someone who is inside a gang I'd sure like to be a molester…
[07:25] <mole_> wb Kaleidoscope any luck?
[07:25] <ubsafder> can i upgrade from ubuntu DVD with 10.10.386 desktp i found reinstall only did i miss an option
[07:25] <Kaleidoscope> Alright Mole_, Things have gotten silly
[07:25] <mole_> lol
[07:26] <Kaleidoscope> It'll use sound based on bootup
[07:26] <Kaleidoscope> ie
[07:26] <mole_> it's time to light the linux candles
[07:26] <Kaleidoscope> If the headphones are plugged in, It'll use them, and disable the Internal, If they're not, The internal work but headphone port is disabled
[07:26] <mole_> yup
[07:27] <mole_> u need some linux candles for sure
[07:27] <Kaleidoscope> XD
[07:27] <mole_> ;)
[07:27] <mole_> u'll figure it out
[07:27] <Kaleidoscope> Linux Candles are?
[07:27] <mole_> u light them
[07:27] <mole_> and meditate
[07:27] <mole_> and then the answer comes to you
[07:27] <mole_> lol
[07:28] <Kaleidoscope> Ahh
[07:28] <Kaleidoscope> Well wish me luck then, Hopefully It won't to too long to get this down
[07:28] <mole_> it's a small problem
[07:29] <Kaleidoscope> You say that like you have the answer already <.<
[07:29] <mole_> i watched nhl on the bus today on my phone that says it runs 9.04 ubuntu out of the box
[07:29] <mole_> that pumps me up
[07:30] <Kaleidoscope> lol, awesome
[07:30] <mole_> ;)
[07:30] <mole_> motrolla atrix ftw
[07:31] <mole_> not rooted or anything
[07:31] <mole_> cat /etc/lsb-release says 9.04 ubuntu
[07:35] <mr_bamboostick> Okay, now I get this error message details: "W: GPG error: http://linux.dropbox.com maverick Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY FC918B335044912E; E: Error http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com maverick Release.gpg - Could not connect to tw.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out."
[07:36] <mr_bamboostick> (all when trying to update through software management)
[07:36] <mole_> saw off the back of the computer
[07:36] <mase_wk> mr_bamboostick: is linux.dropbox.com an apt repo ?
[07:37] <mole_> and clip the transistors
[07:37] <mase_wk> mr_bamboostick: if not then why are you adding it as an apt repository  ? Or are you just following some random howto on the net somewhere ?
[07:50] <valorie> that looks a bit hosed, that URL
[07:53] <Chronos> hi, i suppose 400MB of RAM for Kubuntu (with nepomuk and some useless services disables) is too much, do you agree with me?
[07:54] <valorie> mr_bamboostick: where did you get your repository link from?
[07:55] <mr_bamboostick> valorie: i don't quite recall but it was a website explaining how to implement dropbox in kde
[07:55] <valorie> ah, OK
[07:55] <valorie> I know the site
[07:56] <valorie> http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[07:56] <mr_bamboostick> anything wrong with that?
[07:56] <valorie> is up-to-date and works
[07:56] <mr_bamboostick> oh, okay
[07:57] <valorie> did you use 32-bit or 64?
[07:57] <valorie> nixternal is a kubuntu devel
[07:57] <mr_bamboostick> 64bit
[07:57] <valorie> it's important to do your research -- there is bad advice out there
[07:57] <valorie> http://www.getdropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86_64 < --- so that was the link you used?
[07:58] <valorie> that isn't an apt repository
[07:58] <valorie> best to follow his directions, or do a wget http://www.getdropbox.com/download?plat=lnx.x86_64
[07:58] <valorie> either will work
[07:59] <Kaleidoscope> Well Mole_, I can't get it to switch beteween the two while on, But I can deal with using Headphones only
[07:59] <valorie> but that isn't a repository, and can't be added like one
[07:59] <mole_> :(
[07:59] <mole_> sorry dawg
[07:59] <mole_> i got to crash out tho
[07:59] <mole_> good luck in solving
[08:00] <mr_bamboostick> hmm, okay thank you. i'll try to resetup dropbox following the nixternal site
[08:51] <emre> hi
[08:52] <Kaleidoscope> Hola
[08:53] <Kaleidoscope> XD Wb
[08:53] <Kaleidoscope> Or not
[08:53] <emre> hi
[08:53] <Kaleidoscope> Hi again
[08:53] <Kaleidoscope> =P
[08:53] <emre> :)
[08:53] <Kaleidoscope> What's up?
[08:54] <emre> fine u
[09:36] <aperson> is there something similar to gnome's typing break option in kde?
[10:02] <cortex_sk> aperson: maybe "rsibreak" is what you're looking for
[10:04] <aperson> cortex_sk↳ it does look like it, though it doesn't look like it can lock me out of my desktop session, hmm
[10:05] <aperson> I will give it a try, thanks
[10:16] <basso> Hmmm
[10:16] <basso> im still wondering, why kde :O
[10:19] <BlouBlou> Because it's cool
[10:22] <basso> Is it now?
[10:23] <Tm_T> basso: KDE offers wide variety of functionality and flexibility with relatively easy use
[10:24] <basso> maybe i could testpilot kde when 11.04 arrives
[11:04] <grawcho_> [Bug 247839] OpenGL Compositing Corrupted on Intel 945GM is back in KDE 4.6.2 ... dose anyone know if
[11:04] <grawcho_> it is going to be fixed ... or is it the end of good desktop effects for me on this laptop?
[11:04] <grawcho_> P.S - is there a workaround besides downgrading back to maverick ?
[11:07] <grawcho_> my bad ... number probably wrong ... though problem stays the same.
[11:07] <grawcho_> OpenGL Compositing Corrupted on Intel 945GM (K.D.E 4.6.2)
[11:10] <bigjools> i915 locks up for me if I have compositing on :/
[11:10] <Tm_T> grawcho_: I presume that's a mix of graphics drivers, Kwin and several other factors
[11:12] <jussi> grawcho_: I think martin posted a blog post with a fix for this, wait a sec, let me find it.
[11:14] <jussi> grawcho_: this _may_ be your issue? http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/04/why-blur-does-not-work-in-kubuntu-natty-with-intel/
[11:18] <grawcho_> jussi: yeah ... just saw it again ... read it before ... disabled blur everything works just fine ... thanks
[11:18] <jussi> grawcho_: theres a fix at the end of the blogpost
[11:19] <jussi> or rather "workaround"
[11:19] <grawcho_> jussi: read it to ... tring now...
[11:19] <jussi> :)
[11:19] <grawcho_> thanks
[11:19] <jussi> yw
[11:19] <jussi> thank Martin :D
[11:19] <grawcho_> thank you martin :)
[11:27] <jussi> grawcho_: do let us know how it works for you. :)
[12:10] <jonutzj> welcome
[13:00] <cba123> I'm running 4.6.2 from backports on Ubuntu Maverick.  I can't seem to find anything.  I found the one in "System Settings -> Input Devices" but my mouse still scrolls way too fast.  Anyone know how I can slow it down?
[13:00] <Peace-> xD
[13:01] <cba123> Peace-, You did say to come here from #kde...  haha
[13:02] <Peace-> cba123: did you seen this ? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/04/20/plasma-desktopCr5847.jpg
[13:02] <Peace-> see
[13:03] <cba123> Peace-, Yeah, I changed mouse scrolls by to less, and still having that issue
[13:03] <Peace-> cba123: mm seems a driver issue
[13:04] <Peace-> cba123: i have an hp mouse wifi and i can't get it too
[13:04] <Peace-> wth the logitech maybe i can
[13:05] <cba123> Peace-, It is a Microsoft mouse.  Maybe that's it.  I'd think there would be some software fix though.
[13:06] <Peace-> cba123: mm personally i i ahve seen a lots of problem on mouse
[13:06] <Peace-> i have a trust mouse that doesn't work at all xD
[13:07] <Peace-> only scroll works
[13:08] <Peace-> cba123: lsusb ?
[13:09] <cba123> Bus 004 Device 004: ID 045e:0745 Microsoft Corp.
[13:42] <mterry> Riddell, oh, agateau isn't here either  :)
[13:42] <Riddell> mterry: #kubuntu-devel :)
[13:42] <mterry> ah
[13:56] <spikeb> is there a good video transcoder/converter for kde?
[13:59] <BlouBlou> I know WinFF, but I doubt if there is for KDE or not
[14:01] <yofel> there is kdevnlive if you want to try it, don't know much about it though
[14:02] <spikeb> ok
[14:11]  * spikeb is quite impressed with kubuntu and kde thus far
[14:26] <Peace-> spikeb: you coukd try dvc
[14:35] <spikeb> winFF will work. going to poke the KMediaFactory folks and see if they're planning on adding automagic conversion or not
[14:36] <Peace-> kde apps = dvc
[14:36] <Peace-> dolphin video converter service menu
[14:39]  * spikeb adds that too, looks good
[14:39] <ibrahim> hello
[14:39] <ibrahim> huhu
[15:09] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[15:46] <LarsTorben> hi
[15:46] <LarsTorben> i am kubuntu freak
[15:47] <James147> Hello LarsTorben
[15:48] <LarsTorben> hello james147
[16:10] <c2tarun> my network-manager is not able to detect any wifi connections :/ is there any way to force it via terminal?
[16:11] <James147> c2tarun: "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" << will attempt to scan on the wlan0 device
[16:12] <david00700> hey
[16:12] <david00700> help me
[16:12] <c2tarun> James147: I am getting no scan results :(
[16:12] <James147> !help | david00700
[16:12] <david00700> ok i got i
[16:12] <david00700> i got it
[16:13] <david00700> my kubuntu is sometimes frozen
[16:13] <david00700> .
[16:13] <James147> c2tarun: then it looks like the problem isnt with network-manager :(
[16:13] <James147> !details | david00700
[16:13] <david00700> ok
[16:13] <david00700> thank your guide
[16:13] <James147> c2tarun: whats the output of "iwconfig wlan0"?
[16:14] <c2tarun> James147: well my bluetooth is working fine so I guess no problem with wifi card. My wifi modem is working fine because my roomie is using it
[16:14] <James147> c2tarun: bluetooth and wifi are generally not on the same card
[16:14] <c2tarun> James147: http://paste.ubuntu.com/596585/
[16:14] <James147> ^^ or at least will act like two different devices
[16:15] <James147> c2tarun: what chipset?
[16:15] <c2tarun> James147: well in my case I guess they are same because I have just one switch that activates both bluetooth and wifi
[16:15] <c2tarun> James147: how can I check my chipset?
[16:15] <James147> lspci | grep -i network
[16:15] <James147> c2tarun: means they share a hardware switch, not that they are the same device
[16:16] <c2tarun> hmmmm.......       my chipset http://paste.ubuntu.com/596586/
[16:16] <James147> :( Broadcom are the more anoying of the cards... what version of kubuntu are you on?
[16:16] <c2tarun> James147: natty beta2
[16:17] <James147> c2tarun: hmm, you may want to ask at #ubuntu+1 ^^
[16:17] <James147> they are better able to deal with natty issues
[16:17] <c2tarun> James147: ok, let me try few things, switching of everything and then rebooting and all :(
[16:18] <c2tarun> then I'll ask on ubuntu+1
[16:21] <david00700> "my kubuntu is 10.10, my computer Intel core(TM2) duo 6300 1.86hgz memory 4gb ,vga geforce 7600 gt , sometimes My kubuntu is frozen. in this time, kubuntu's booting image screen is appeard. and reboot itself
[16:23] <James147> david00700: so it sometimes freezes during boot up?
[16:24] <david00700> no boot up,during i work well, surprisingly
[16:24] <david00700> it happend
[16:26] <david00700> so about this problem, i want to know whether this problem is reported, or how to see a log about this.
[16:27] <david00700> in fact I have been met a unlimited reboot in ubuntu 10.10 on my computer.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> david00700, I have the 7600gt and my nvidia driver that installed before the new kernal upgrade wouldn't run on it after rebooting . I had to remove the recommended driver , then reboot into recovery mode of the new kernel and reinstall the recommended drriver (nvidia-current )
[16:33] <c2tarun> James147: switched of lappy then modem, switched on modem and then lappy and it worked :)
[16:33] <david00700> you means kernel is problem, isn't i?
[16:33] <david00700> you means kernel is problem, isn't it?
[16:42] <BluesKaj> david00700, yes
[16:44] <david00700> which kernel should I install ?
[16:44] <BlouBlou> david00700: the newst one
[16:45] <david00700> 2.6.39?
[16:49] <Daskreech> unless you have hardware issues
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, it's a bug with the new kernel and nvidia and it's hard to determine which
[16:53] <BluesKaj> is at fault
[16:54] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Actually I think the problem lays somewhere in rebuilding the DKMS modules when they are proprietary ones
[16:56] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: The combination most likely. If you can't change one change the other
[16:56] <Daskreech> kernel is easier
[16:57] <BluesKaj> genii-around, it's like the new kernel has the right module but doesn't rebuild it when it installs , one has to do it afterwards with the additional HW gui
[16:58] <BluesKaj> looks at the old module and sees it as the new already installed
[16:58] <genii-around> Something like that, yes
[16:59] <BluesKaj> anyway , there's a workaround for it ...a bit clunky but it works
[17:40] <LarsTorbenK> hi
[17:40] <LarsTorbenK> kubuntu is so cool !
[17:45] <shadeslayer> LarsTorbenK: great to hear you like it :)
[19:21] <joseph_> hello, i was wondering if someone can help me. I installed KDE 4.6 on Maverick with the back-ports ppa. It is not working well with me system, how do i remove everything that was associated with that ppa so all the kde stuff is gone?
[19:38] <joseph123> can someone please help me. I used the kubuntu-desktop backports ppa to install kde 4.6 on Maverick. It does not work well on my system. How do I remove everything that came with  the ppa instead of removing them all one by one?
[19:39] <claydoh> ppa-purge
[19:40] <James147> joseph123: what dosnt work about it?
[19:41] <joseph123> hello james147, at login i always get bombarded with a recurring error message
[19:41] <James147> joseph123: what error?
[19:41] <James147> and how did you upgrade/.
[19:41] <joseph123> hold on a moment
[19:42] <James147> (I ask as I dont think downgrading will solve the issue... and that its probally easy to fix)
[19:42] <joseph123> ppa: kubuntu-ppa/backports
[19:42] <James147> joseph123: then?
[19:42] <joseph123> then i installed through apt-get in terminal
[19:43] <James147> joseph123: you started with kubuntu or ubuntu?
[19:43] <joseph123> i started with ubuntu
[19:44] <James147> hmm, I would suggest trying a upgrade ^^ "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[19:45] <virgo> hi
[19:46] <joseph123> i'd like to remove it however
[19:47] <joseph123> is there a way to just nullify and remove everything that came associated with that ppa installation on my system?
[19:48] <James147> ^^ ppa-purge then
[19:49] <joseph123> how would the command look like, "sudo apt-get ppa-purge kubuntu-desktop" ?
[19:49] <genii-around> no
[19:50] <joseph123> genii-around, what would the correct command be?
[19:50] <genii-around> like: sudo ppa-purge ppa:yadda-yadda/main      or so. Where you put the ppa:yadda-yadda/main in the add-apt-repository previously
[19:54] <Sparky97> i installed 10.10 twice on my hard disk so i could try kde 4.6. 4.6 is still buggy (i cant use my favorite desktop effects.). I get information overload when trying to find out how to remove the 2nd install of kubuntu. how can i remove it so that only the first one of kubuntu 10.10 is on my hard disk?
[19:55] <James147> Sparky97: format the partition, reinstall grub
[19:55] <Sparky97> James147: is there an article on how to do that?
[19:56] <sudipta> i have recently installed kde 4.6 in ubuntu 10.10...but my gnome apps looks ugly...any help?
[19:57] <joseph123> Thank you James147 and Genii-around
[20:02] <sudipta> i have recently installed kde 4.6 in ubuntu 10.10...but my gnome apps looks ugly...any help?
[20:03] <joseph123> sudipta, i think there is a way to skin gnome apps so it all looks uniform
[20:04] <misterx> como hacer que amarok lea cd de musica
[20:04] <sudipta> joseph123: how?
[20:04] <misterx> amarok no lee cd de musica
[20:05] <BluesKaj> !it | misterx
[20:05] <joseph123> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Gtk?content=136216
[20:09] <misterx> kubuntu-es
[20:10] <BluesKaj> misterx, pardon #kubuntu-es
[20:19] <shaint> Всем привет!
[20:20] <BluesKaj> !ru | shaint
[20:21] <shaint> thanks)
[20:21] <BluesKaj> shaint, np
[21:01] <ponk> hai
[21:01] <ponk> Im new to ubuntu
[21:01] <ponk> and stuck at installing java -.-
[21:01] <James147> !java
[21:03] <ponk> I will try to read that
[21:03] <ponk> ty
[21:08] <ponk> how to click on ok in the konsole? -.-
[21:09] <James147> ponk: ok?
[21:09] <ponk> yes
[21:09] <ponk> after sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[21:09] <ponk> it installed
[21:09] <ponk> obviously
[21:09] <ponk> now there is a long text
[21:09] <ponk> and in the end there is ok
[21:10] <FloodBotK2> ponk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:10] <James147> type 'y' then press enter
[21:10] <ponk> sorry!
[21:10] <ponk> I did that
[21:10] <ponk> and it installed
[21:12] <James147> o you mean to select the sun licence? press tab untill its hilighted then hit enter
[21:12] <ponk> http://imgur.com/gxCgk
[21:12] <ponk> ooh ty lol
[21:20] <afief> While trying to install kubuntu it's stuck on "Getting the time from a netwrok time server" but it's not connected to a network" (animation still works though)
[21:21] <mjobin> hi there ! from a recent package upgrate... plasma-desktop and kdm got erased without me noticing? i dont know what other piece might be missing. but kwallet is not lunching anymore. and I see several errors about dbus ?
[21:22] <mjobin> dbus-daemon run as user 102 (no ref in /etc/passwd)
[21:22] <James147> mjobin: install kubuntu-desktop it should pull in everything you need
[21:22] <mjobin> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.kwalletd was not provided by any .service files" "
[21:23] <mjobin>   plasma-widget-networkmanagement: Conflicts: network-manager-kde but 1:0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu1 is installed.  (which one is to be installed ? )
[21:27] <mjobin> thanks James147, very good recommendation
[21:27] <mjobin> now, I wonder if I should switch to the plasma-widget-networkmanagement ?
[21:27] <afief> While trying to install kubuntu it's stuck on "Getting the time from a netwrok time server" but it's not connected to a network" (animation still works though)
[21:28] <mjobin> also, I thought kubuntu/kde/nvidia supported monitor hot plug ?
[21:28] <mjobin> maybe with nouveau
[21:29] <James147> mjobin: the nvidia drivers still use the xorg.conf, so i doupt it, but the nouveau ones might
[21:29] <James147> mjobin: and I would recomend teh network manager widget as knetworkmanager is largly depracated now
[21:31] <Peace-> James147: spam :D http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/gnome-defaltt-panel-kde.gif
[22:15] <Sparky97> James147: sorry, i still cant find good instructions on how to eliminate the partition while keeping the kubuntu that has all my stuff on it. most of it his how to delete linux and go back to windows. how do i delete just the newer partition that has linux kde 4.6, and keep the old kubuntu that is kde 4.5?
[22:16] <James147> Sparky97: format the partition then install grub again
[22:16] <James147> !grub2
[22:18] <James147> Sparky97: ^^ though from inside the os you should jsut need to run "sudo grub-install /dev/sdX" where /dev/sdX is the drive you want to isntall it to (drive, not partition)
[22:18] <valorie> !connection
[23:11] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I could use a little help?
[23:12] <LINKSWORD2> help please?
[23:13] <James147> !help | LINKSWORD2
[23:15] <LINKSWORD2> All right. So I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 LTE on an outdated Dell Latitude D610, and unfortunately, I am unable to connect to existing wireless networks that are visible to other computers.
[23:15] <LINKSWORD2> Where can I find a driver or other package to help solve this issue?
[23:28] <LINKSWORD2> Nothing?
[23:29] <James147> LINKSWORD2: sorry was bussy :) what chipset? "lspci | grep -i network
[23:32] <LINKSWORD2> I keep getting a reply from the system that no such file or directory exists.
[23:33] <LINKSWORD2> Ah, figured it out. Broadcom
[23:45] <LINKSWORD2> If you need additional info, here it is. Broadcom Corporation MCM4309 802.11 a/b/g (Rev 03)
[23:48] <James147> Broadcom have never worked teribally well... I would advice upgrading to 10.10, as support for them improved every version
[23:48] <LINKSWORD2> OK, I was thinking about doing that but wasn't sure.
[23:48] <azimov> #join lsucs


 once I've tweaked the mimimal install list a little bit more, should probably do a blog post :)
[22:45] <valorie> we're going to roll this out for the LTS?
[22:46] <tsimonq2> Why not? "_
[22:46] <tsimonq2> *:)
[22:53] <valorie> just asking if that's the plan
[22:54] <valorie> no quibbles here
[22:54] <tsimonq2> No problem. :)
[22:54] <tsimonq2> We're also going to have Falkon. \o/
[22:54] <valorie> i know!
[22:54] <valorie> thank you again
[22:54] <valorie> how about peruse?
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Ahh, right, I knew I was forgetting about something.
[22:55] <tsimonq2> Fun fact I learned the other day: Feature Freeze doesn't apply to new source packages.
[22:55] <tsimonq2> So we still have time. ;)
[22:56] <valorie> sorta strange it is still considered new
[22:56] <valorie> but whatever
[22:56] <tsimonq2> It isn't in the archive quite yet.
[22:57] <tsimonq2> And once it's uploaded, I see no reason to also upload it to Debian and sync.
[22:57] <acheronuk> point with the freeze, is no new features for things already there (to avoid regressions)
[22:58] <tsimonq2> Right.
[22:58] <acheronuk> but new things altogether can't regress
[22:58] <tsimonq2> Which makes sense.
[22:59] <acheronuk> means we might still be able to add a wallpaper source. but I haven't had chance to really make progress on that
[23:01] <tsimonq2> valorie: Subscribed you to the peruse needs-packaging bug.
[23:30] <valorie> the wierd thing is that it is not yet in debian
[23:30] <valorie> should have been for at least a year, no?
[23:31] <valorie> ty tsimonq2
[23:31] <valorie> I swear I filed such a bug long ago


[13:04] <coolbhavi> happy birthday highvoltage :)
[13:21] <coolbhavi> hey dpm
[13:59] <coolbhavi> dpm,  added a comment on ppa purge bug btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppa-purge/+bug/892886/comments/25
[15:01] <dpm> thank you coolbhavi!
[15:02] <coolbhavi> dpm, contacted lorenzo now too
[15:02] <coolbhavi> ll followup
[15:02] <dpm> great
[15:03] <coolbhavi> np :-) great sdk btw I loved it
[15:40] <dpm> cool
[15:40] <dpm> Could someone give an answer to this developer? http://askubuntu.com/questions/252756/ubuntu-app-store-waiting-4-months-now-for-approval-review
[15:44] <coolbhavi> dpm, was answered by pussi I believe
[15:45] <coolbhavi> the package is in repos of debian and ubuntu
[15:46] <coolbhavi> maybe we should just add a comment to raise a package upgrade bug
[15:54] <coolbhavi> dpm, replied
[15:56] <dpm> thanks coolbhavi
[16:18] <coolbhavi> dpm, rejected from queue now since its a fork of already existing package
[16:18] <coolbhavi> good night btw!
[16:19] <dpm> cool, thank you for sorting it out coolbhavi!
[16:19] <coolbhavi> :-) np
[16:36] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!


[01:06] <lvmer> I could use some help with an lvm setup. I keep doing it wrong. I just did a fresh install of 12.04. So setup should be straight forward, but I could use some help.
[01:07] <xnox> lvmer: what's up. talk it out =)
[01:09] <lvmer> I'm trying to make a large stripped lv for a smb share
[01:09] <lvmer> no important / backup data will be on it
[01:10] <lvmer> xnox: I've got 3hd's  sda, sdb, sdc
[01:10] <lvmer> xnox: and right now sda seems to have a sub lv? for the OS [7gb] & swap [2gb]
[01:11] <lvmer> xnox: & 100gb free, how do I get the extra free space into a new vg = vg0 with sdb & sdc
[01:12] <lvmer> xnox: that's pretty much my question.
[01:12] <xnox> lvmer: checkout out output of $ sudo pvs; $ sudo vgs; $ sudo lvs
[01:12] <xnox> you probably want to make physical volumes out of your physical drives, then add those physical volumes into the volume group and then you can create big logical volumes
[01:13] <xnox> lvmer: read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
[01:13] <lvmer> xnox: yah
[01:13] <xnox> it's very short and sweet =)
[01:13] <lvmer> lol
[01:13] <xnox> and tells you how to do all of this.
[01:13] <lvmer> yah I got all that... & it's easy on sdb & sdc, but I can't get sda to join
[01:14] <lvmer> the vg spans the whole sda, while it should only be for lv = root & lv = swap_1
[01:15] <lvmer> so I've got to like vg reduce, but it's weird xD
[01:17] <lvmer> xnox: want me to paste the cut out from pvs, vgs, lvs?
[01:17] <xnox> lvmer: right, it's usually to migrate one volume to a larger one. but if you really really want to resize it.
[01:18] <xnox> lvmer: resize the file-system first, then reduce the logical volume.
[01:18] <xnox> then migrate to stripped one......
[01:18] <xnox> but.
[01:18] <lvmer> xnox: I think the file system is already resized, I think I installed it that way with a 7GB partition.
[01:18] <xnox> if it's a new install, the easier way is to.
[01:19] <xnox> 1) connect all drives to a system & use command line from the installer to create a big vg across all of them & create your volumes
[01:19] <xnox> 2) do the install from d-i and select the pre-created logical volumes as targets
[01:20] <xnox> as a bonus you can use ubuntu 12.10 desktop cd to do the step 1, as it has all the lvm utilities =)
[01:20] <lvmer> yah I think I have 12.04 server
[01:20] <xnox> lvmer: sure, then you can create a big stripped partition. move your install from the 7GB logical volume to a big one. Then delete the small 7GB volume, enlarge the striped one.
[01:21] <lvmer> xnox: I see what you mean
[01:21] <lvmer> xnox: but I'd rather keep the system files separate from my eventual giant shared folder
[01:22] <lvmer> xnox: incase I have to purge data & can do it without messing up the shorewall configs etc.
[01:22] <xnox> lvmer: so what's the problem then?
[01:22] <lvmer> I'm scared to vgsplit xD
[01:23] <xnox> lvmer: why do you need vgsplit? the stippiness is the property of the logical volume, not the volume group (let me check that)
[01:24] <xnox> yeah. that's correct.
[01:24] <lvmer> http://paste.kde.org/607022/
[01:24] <xnox> and the way I did vgsplit, is to calculate it a few times & then add a 300 MB margin on top for safety.
[01:25] <lvmer> xnox: don't I need to get /dev/sda5 into it's own vg (ie: vg0)?
[01:26] <lvmer> xnox: instead of vg = US2
[01:26] <xnox> lvmer: $ sudo vgextend US2 /dev/sdb1
[01:26] <xnox> lvmer: $ sudo vgextend US2 /dev/sdc1
[01:27] <xnox> lvmer: $ sudo vgs
[01:27] <lvmer> xnox: but I think another vg would be better?
[01:27] <xnox> lvmer: no.
[01:27] <lvmer> xnox: can't I divide the hdd into 2x vg's?
[01:27] <lvmer> o
[01:27] <xnox> lvmer: a vg group is more or less the devices you expect to travel / be always attached together.
[01:28] <lvmer> xnox: OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:28] <xnox> lvmer: typically you want it as large as possible.
[01:28] <lvmer> xnox: lmao... xD wow
[01:28] <lvmer> xnox: this whole time I'm trying to split vg's
[01:28] <xnox> lvmer: the strippiness/mirroring/snapshoting is all property of logical volumes that sit within the volume group and really have no clue what is backing the vg.
[01:28] <lvmer> can I rename it?
[01:29] <xnox> lvmer: yes.
[01:29] <lvmer> sudo vgrename US2 vg0
[01:29] <xnox> lvmer: don't forget to run $ update-grub & update-initramfs and check the boot menu after you do =))))
[01:29] <lvmer> xnox: ooooo boi
[01:31] <lvmer> xnox: ah this makes more sense now as vg0
[01:31] <lvmer> updating grub
[01:32] <lvmer> xnox: so update-initramfs -u
[01:32] <lvmer> xnox: how should I check the boot menu?
[01:32] <lvmer> fstab?
[01:32] <xnox> lvmer: less /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[01:33] <xnox> lvmer: fstab is a good one as well =)))))
[01:33] <lvmer> lol
[01:33] <lvmer> was it a bad idea to do this?
[01:33] <lvmer> am I just going to have to re-install again lol. changing the vg of the boot lvm xD
[01:34]  * xnox had a typo in my vg at install. I did have a facepalm over "intarnelhdd" vg name
[01:34] <xnox> and renamed it =)))))
[01:34] <lvmer> xnox: and you were ok? ok xD
[01:34] <xnox> lvmer: no, you don't have to reinstall.
[01:35] <xnox> lvmer: yeah, it feels like black magic and pixie dust, but it's really stable device-mapper stuff =)))))
[01:35] <lvmer> ok
[01:35] <lvmer> should I do a test reboot? xD
[01:36] <lvmer> xnox: well hopefully it works
[01:37] <lvmer> xnox: if not... it's down to the basement
[01:37] <lvmer> xnox: k it worked xD
[01:38] <xnox> lvmer: born again ;-)
[01:39] <lvmer> xnox: yeeehawww. :)  So now I just need to create a massive lv
[01:40] <xnox> lvmer: well, create it ~50% capacity. Once you fill it up you can increase/decrease it, snapshot it, etc
[01:41] <lvmer> xnox: so $ lvcreate -i3 -L 300G -n lv1 vg0
[01:41] <lvmer> xnox: ?
[01:42] <xnox> lvmer: looks good =)
[01:43] <lvmer> what is a good stripe size? 4kb? 8kb?
[01:43] <lvmer> I think it's -I4
[01:45] <sarnold> lvmer: with no data to back me up, I'd assume _much_ larger sizes, something like 128kb
[01:47] <bananapie> Hi, I have three https servers running on the same IP. ports 443, 543 and 544. 443 has a private key and signed certificate. 543 and 544 both have the same private key, but each port has a different signed certificate. This is confusing apache, and apache is announce the certificate from 544 on 543. any ideas?
[01:49] <qman__> you specify which certificate file to use in your virtualhost configuration; there's nothing to confuse
[01:50] <qman__> ensure your virtualhosts specify which port they're on, and which certificate file to use
[01:50] <bananapie> Yes, that's all setup
[01:50] <bananapie> <VirtualHost *:544>
[01:50] <bananapie> I have SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile in each of the 3 hosts.
[01:51] <bananapie> I think apache is confused because it has two different certificates for the same private key.
[01:51] <sarnold> bananapie: can you re-create that bug on a VM or something?
[01:51] <sarnold> two new keys, three new certs, and a bare-bones apache config?
[01:52] <xnox> lvmer: 4MB ?
[01:52] <bananapie> I'll try
[01:52] <qman__> yeah, there shouldn't be a problem with that setup, so it's either an apache bug or an error in the config
[01:52] <bananapie> ok
[01:53] <bananapie> I'll check if there are any apache2 updates
[01:53] <qman__> one possible workaround attempt in case of an apache bug would be to make a copy or hard link of the key by a different name, so there's three files according to the config but it's really the same key
[01:54] <lvmer> xnox: I keep getting not enough allocatable extents
[01:55] <lvmer> xnox: my command was: $ sudo lvcreate -i3 -I512K -L 350G -n lv1 vg0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sda5
[01:57] <xnox> lvmer: $ sudo vgs ?
[01:57] <lvmer> xnox: shows 400GiB free
[01:57] <lvmer> xnox: 400.34g
[01:58] <lvmer> xnox: vsize = 409.64g  vfree = 400.34g  #pv = 3  #lv = 2 #sn = 0
[01:59] <lvmer> xnox: perhaps: -I512K   is throwing it off.
[01:59] <xnox> lvmer: for some reason in cannot allocate enough space for that volume. try lower size.
[01:59] <lvmer> xnox:  Rounding size (98560 extents) up to stripe boundary size (98562 extents)
[01:59] <lvmer>   Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume lv1: 20043 more required
[01:59] <lvmer> does that seem weird?
[02:00] <xnox> lvmer: can you try $ sudo lvcreate i3 -I4 -L350G -n lv1 vg0
[02:00] <lvmer> xnox: each extents is 512kb?
[02:01] <xnox> and see if that uses less extents.
[02:01] <xnox> lvmer: hah =)))
[02:01] <xnox> lvmer: the maximum cap you can have is the maximum free space on a single physical volume
[02:01] <lvmer> xnox: NO!
[02:02] <xnox> lvmer: otherwise it will not be real stripes =)
[02:02] <lvmer> xnox: idc if it's not real stripes
[02:02] <lvmer> xnox: dang..... so it won't do it cause 1 HD is 100gb? while the others are 200gb?
[02:02] <qman__> the stripes have to go somewhere
[02:03] <xnox> lvmer: then got for two stripes, they will be spread across 3 drives and then you can have >200GB volume
[02:03] <lvmer> xnox: so I just change i3 to i2?
[02:03] <xnox> lvmer: maybe you don't want stripes at all.....
[02:03] <lvmer> xD
[02:03] <xnox> lvmer: yeah. and it's better to use 4MB stripe.
[02:03] <lvmer> xnox: it's looking like I don't want stripes at all
[02:04] <lvmer> xnox: how does 2 stripes work across 3hdds?
[02:04] <xnox> lvmer: just create a volume with name and max size and then the full free space will be "a single filesystem"
[02:05] <lvmer> xnox: I guess I'm going to unfortunately give up on stripes.... one day though.. one day I shall stripe lots of 2TB HD's. xD
[02:05] <xnox> lvmer: because it needs two places to store each extend in the vg, and the vg has three physical buckets with free space.
[02:06] <xnox> lvmer: hence there will be spread across them, since they are all "available".
[02:06] <lvmer> lv's can definitely be resized right?
[02:06] <lvmer> xnox: smaller / larger right? xD
[02:07] <lvmer> xnox: nvm stupid question
[02:07] <qman__> lvmer, it will keep two copies of each chunk of data, and put them on any two of the available disks
[02:07] <xnox> lvmer: yes. but with reducing you resize the filesystem inside it first, with enlarging you resize the fs after.
[02:07] <qman__> I don't know what it does to decide that but I assume it just picks wherever the most space is available
[02:08] <qman__> or otherwise does it as evenly as it can
[02:08] <lvmer> xnox: oh so is i2 = raid 1 ? cause I was looking for a raid 0 (similar) file system.
[02:09] <lvmer> xnox: I thought all the extends would be in 1 place
[02:12] <lvmer> xnox: well I got a 400gb lv1 now... so this is awesome. Thank you very much
[02:13] <xnox> lvmer: https://docs.google.com/a/surgut.co.uk/document/preview?id=1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I#heading=h.8acu9ne05kh9
[02:13] <xnox> lvmer: is a table comparing raid levels and performance gains
[02:13] <xnox> lvmer: raid0 theoretically gives you N write speed, but the read speed is still x1
[02:14] <xnox> lvmer: while raid1 gives you xN read speed, with ~x1 write speed, at the cost of 1/n space.
[02:14] <lvmer> xnox: yah I know about raid's xD
[02:15] <xnox> lvmer: and lvm implements RAID1, 0 & 1-0 raid levels ;-)
[02:15] <xnox> with 0 level by default.
[02:15] <lvmer> xnox: and stripping would be a RAID 0 example? right? the disks just apparently have to be the same size like a regular raid
[02:16] <lvmer> xnox: ohhhhh 0 is default?
[02:17] <xnox> lvmer: kind-of..... each physical volume is treated equivalent, so if you have /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 and /dev/sdb
[02:17] <xnox> it will not realise that actually there will be little performance gain spreading across /dev/sda*
[02:18] <xnox> lvmer:  but checkout the --type option
[02:18] <xnox> lvmer: for segment type.
[02:21] <lvmer> how do you search a 'man' file?
[02:21] <lvmer> man lvcreate
[02:22] <xnox>  /
[02:22] <lvmer> xnox: trying to search for type
[02:22] <xnox> man man
[02:22] <xnox> also helps
[02:22] <xnox> or 'h'
[02:22] <xnox> for help while viewing a man page
[02:24] <lvmer> xnox: $ mkfs -t ext3 /dev/vg0/lv1     or -t ext4?
[02:26] <sarnold> lvmer: I sometimes do MANPAGER=cat man foo | grep   or that sort of thing; 'less' is a very nice pager, but some tasks are easier done with other tools, and MANPAGER is a great way to get there
[02:36] <lvmer> Ok I'm trying to auto mount this new lv in $ /etc/fstab   but I have some questions
[02:37] <lvmer> the old files are still /dev/mapper/US2-root   instead of vg0?
[02:37] <lvmer> should the new one be /dev/mapper/vg0-lv1   ?
[03:41] <bfortified> I installed owncloud if i forward port 80 from the wan will i be vulnerable to attack can I change the port to somthing uncommon like i do with ssh?
[03:45] <SpamapS> bfortified: some apps are stupid and redirect base on Host: without the port.. but owncloud is probably not that stupid.
[03:47] <bfortified> SpamapS: i dont think I understand what you meen I have tried a dif port on apache and that appears to have worked, I navigate to that port and get the congrats your server is running but i caint seem to acces own cloud
[03:48] <bfortified> figured it out <ip>:port/owncloud
[03:51] <qman__> changing what port you use won't render you invulnerable
[03:51] <qman__> it just means you're a little harder to find
[03:54] <qman__> and by a little, I mean very little
[03:54] <qman__> the average chinese bot won
[03:54] <qman__> 't find you, and that's about it
[03:54] <qman__> smarter bots and any human will
[04:00] <patdk-lap> hell, google/bing/... will all find you very fast
[04:00] <patdk-lap> cause the first time you use a browser with their toolbar installed, it reports back to them, and you will get scanned in a few min, if not faster
[04:00] <patdk-lap> my friend tried that :)
[04:01] <patdk-lap> put up a new website, on a non-standard port, and noticed google search had already indexed it and it was searchable within 2min, and he realized he had google toolbar installed
[09:14] <Daviey> Mornin' people! How is everyone is glorious day?
[09:15] <koolhead17> hello Daviey !! Its bright & sunny as usual with humidity
[09:15] <koolhead17> :p
[09:18] <Daviey> koolhead17: I uspect your bright & sunny is in a different league to mine :)
[09:18] <Daviey> suspect*
[09:18] <koolhead17> Daviey: yes its added with humidity and topical climate :D
[09:19] <Daviey> topical you say? :)
[09:20] <koolhead17> or equatorial where sun god literally vomits his heat with ultraviolet radiation :D
[09:21]  * smb thinks koolhead17 is missing Daviey pulling his leg...
[09:21] <koolhead17> *tropical
[09:21] <koolhead17> smb: :D
[09:22] <smb> :)
[09:22]  * Daviey must now be very careful he doesn't ever make a typo aguin.
[09:23] <smb> Daviey, We don't do typos, that is artistic freedom. :-P
[09:23] <koolhead17> smb: heh
[09:24] <Daviey> :)
[11:06] <Arne__> hello, I have a litte problem with my ubuntu server, I assigned a static IP to eth0, but ubuntu changes this ip sporadic to another .. someone who can tell me how I can change this and where?
[11:08] <xranby> Projektarybte: edit /etc/network/interfaces  http://www.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_12.04_static_ip_configuration
[11:09] <Projektarybte> xranby: this is exactly what I have in my config
[11:09] <xranby> is dhcpd still running?
[11:09] <xranby> dhclinet
[11:09] <xranby> dhclient
[11:10] <Projektarybte> oh, yes it´s running
[11:11] <Projektarybte> but I declared the network config as static
[12:45] <darthanubis> drush installs fine, but I can't use "You are running the provision script as the root user. Exiting" It does not like sudo
[13:09] <patdk-lap> darthanubis, hmm? isn't that ovious? don't run it as root, so you run it as root with sudo?
[13:27] <dsop> SpamapS: ping
[14:54] <GhostFre_> How often does Ubuntu release security updates? Do you have like a patch thursday
[14:56] <TheLordOfTime> GhostFre_, security updates are controlled by the security team, if i remember things right, they're in #ubuntu-hardened.  They get released as they're processed, I think, though...
[14:59] <LauraA> Hi.  I just installed a new Ubuntu 12LTS Server (switching from Centos).  Everything's humming along except on boot, it just sits at the grub2 selection menu -- it doesn't auto-select the 1st entry.  If I hit 'Enter', everything continues on as normal.
[14:59] <LauraA>  This is changed behavior.  A week or so ago, it *did* autoboot OK.  Where do I look for the cause/fix of this?
[15:03] <smb> LauraA, One reason for not autobooting could be a failed previous boot, but then it should resume autobooting after one successful boot.
[15:24] <LauraA> smb: Hi.  I didn't know a prior failed boot 'gets in the way'.  I don't remember there being any failed boot, though.  Is there some way to verify/validate that that happened?  In the logs I guess .. but what to look for?
[15:27] <smb> LauraA, It would be some file that grub looks at (though I don't know from the top of my head which one). And that actually should be removed when the server boots to the prompt once, so the next boot would be normal again. Otherwise all the timeout values are normally set in /etc/default/grub and then configured when you run update-grub
[15:29] <smb> So the grub env is changed here in /etc/init/grub-common.conf
[15:29] <smb> grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv unset recordfail
[15:30] <smb> "grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv list" should show if recordfail is currently set
[15:31] <samba35> my ubuntu server (12.04.1 ) is on vmware  and ubuntu is a dmz  (<IP_ADDRESS>/24)in my network (using utm on vmware also ) i have wireless tv (<IP_ADDRESS> )  how do connect wireless tv to ubuntu to use minidlna
[15:32] <LauraA> smb: Ok thanks.  I've got some sleuthing to do.  May be back later.  Cheers!
[15:40] <SpamapS> dsop: pong?
[16:02] <zul> hallyn: ping does this mean what i think it means http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=2e03b08ead603c38c244aa9a1ecef6d73bb306be
[16:04] <hallyn> zul: <blink>  pretty sure it does
[16:04] <hallyn> zul: they have selinux, it has its own mknod denials...  why not use that?  huh
[16:04] <zul> hallyn: awesome
[16:05] <hallyn> zul: yeah, especially at the end of this cycle when we have stacking apparmor policies and user namesapces,
[16:05] <hallyn> libvirt-lxc is gonna be a mess to try and keep up with lxc
[16:05] <zul> *sigh*
[16:06] <zul> Daviey: ^^^
[16:07] <Daviey> ugh
[16:09] <roaksoax> jamespage: ok so i will get this up and running and test the ha stuff works
[16:09] <roaksoax> then will start modifying the hacluster charm
[16:10] <jamespage> roaksoax, OK - I'm really interested in seeing how the sync's happen between quantum and the hacluster sub
[16:10] <jamespage> for example when I 'add-unit quantum'
[16:10] <jamespage> quantum will get installed first, and then the hacluster stuff
[16:11] <jamespage> ...
[16:11] <jamespage> roaksoax, if you just want to test quantum you can run a much more minimal charm set
[16:12] <jamespage> keystone, mysql, rabbitmq-server and quantum should be enough
[16:13] <roaksoax> jamespage: yes yet you need to stuff works at least I have tried it with HAproxy
[16:13] <jamespage> roaksoax, I'm still seriously considering a refactor to push the quantum-server into the cloud-controller
[16:14] <roaksoax> errr the cluster stuff works with add unit
[16:14] <roaksoax> I agree but the server should probably be with the cloud controller
[16:15] <roaksoax> s/but/with
[16:17] <hallyn> note to self: make defconfig != make oldconfig !
[16:26] <jamespage> roaksoax, gonna talk with adam next week about that - it feels awkward
[16:28] <roaksoax> jamespage: the other option would be to have enough to separate charm then
[16:29] <roaksoax> so that it got me the flood in the cloud controller independently
[16:29] <roaksoax> err so it can be deployes
[16:29] <roaksoax> freakibg voice recognition
[16:32] <roaksoax> jamespage: there is going to be a problem if we remove unit and add unit again to reuse the mode though
[16:39] <lvmer> Hi, I have some netbios, wins, or name resolution issues. Can someone help me troubleshoot them?
[16:41] <lvmer> My samba share folders will not show up on the network, even without a firewall. & pinging from a different server yields closed ports.
[16:41] <lvmer> 139,445
[16:45] <jamespage> roaksoax, I think we should ignore the node reuse issue for the time being
[16:46]  * jamespage burys his head in the sand
[16:46] <jamespage> until the stop hook works or units are automatically terminated on remove-unit its never going to be pretty
[16:52] <roaksoax> jamespage: indeed. i think its worth pushing for any of those features
[17:07] <MontyMoose> Hello - quick bit of help if anyone's free. Running LTS 12.4. I have a rogue PHP script which runs from time to time and bogs the php-fpm process until I kill it. Problem is I have about 1000 php scripts running on the server and about 40,000 hits a day. I can find the PID from TOP, but can I find out which script is running on that PID? Which php process or which file etc?
[17:07] <MontyMoose> Ideally I want to know   PID 5475 = /var/www/thisfile.php
[17:08] <blkperl> MontyMoose: lsof
[17:08] <sarnold> MontyMoose: probably lsof or fuser can get you there
[17:08] <MontyMoose> thanks - I'll take a look
[17:08] <sarnold> MontyMoose: you do run the risk that the php interpreter you're using may have byte-code compiled it all once at first use, and might not be able to blame the right script, but it's a good starting point.
[17:09] <MontyMoose> pointing me in the right direction is a good start
[17:09] <sarnold> MontyMoose: if that doesn't work, ask about strace when you return. it's complicated and ugly :) but it's a good tool. hehe.
[17:09] <MontyMoose> I'm complicated and ugly - I'm sure we'll get on like a house on fire...
[17:11] <MontyMoose> hmm - lsof seems only to log that php-fpm is running, doesn't show me which script it's running.
[17:12] <MontyMoose> I think there might be a solution in PHP itself - there's a getpid() function which I could potentially log to mysql each time a script runs, but I'd rather not
[17:15] <MontyMoose> the other thing that's odd is that I tell PHP to timeout after 20 seconds, and this process will go on for ever until I kill -9 it
[17:15] <sarnold> MontyMoose: oh man :/ I was afraid of that.
[17:16] <MontyMoose> because?
[17:16] <sarnold> MontyMoose: you can attach strace to a process with strace -p pid
[17:16] <MontyMoose> rigiht
[17:16] <sarnold> MontyMoose: .. because debugging it by strace is ugly. :)
[17:16] <MontyMoose> hm
[17:16] <sarnold> MontyMoose: the horrible part comes from watching what it does and trying to figure out which of your scripts does those things. if you can catch sql being sent to mysql, you can grep for those, maybe narrow it down to a handful to instrument
[17:17] <MontyMoose> I see
[17:17] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: I've had this problem as well.
[17:18] <MontyMoose> of course as it's now working perfectly - I can't find a PID which stays long enough to trace!
[17:18] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: Logging the pid is the only way I solved it
[17:18] <MontyMoose> in php?
[17:18] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: yeah, the problem is that php opens the scripts, reads them all, parses them, and closes them, so lsof won't help you
[17:18] <MontyMoose> I thought that might be the case
[17:19] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: What you need to log is the URL
[17:19] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: and potentially the arguments
[17:19] <MontyMoose> yeah
[17:19] <MontyMoose> well I suppose once you've put a function together you can pretty much log anything you want/
[17:19] <MontyMoose> is it quicker to text or mysql?
[17:19] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: logging in mysql seems... overkill. Just log to a file on disk.
[17:20] <MontyMoose> ok
[17:20] <SpamapS> file_put_contents('/tmp/pid.log', $_GLOBALS['REQUEST_FILENAME'], FILE_APPEND);
[17:20] <MontyMoose> if I include other PHP files will they run in the side PID?
[17:21] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: yes
[17:21] <MontyMoose> *same
[17:21] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: include just inserts the code in the spot where the include is
[17:21] <MontyMoose> ok - so I need this in my global header really
[17:21] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: my example forgot to include getpid(), but you get the point :)
[17:21] <MontyMoose> yup
[17:21] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: you can enforce a global include in php.ini
[17:22] <MontyMoose> that's a good idea
[17:22] <MontyMoose> then every file has to run it
[17:22] <MontyMoose> I could wipe the file every night with a cron job, as I only need it if I notice a problem
[17:22] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: auto_prepend_file
[17:23] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: another option is actually to do an auto_prepend which creates a file per-pid, and then an auto_append that removes it
[17:24] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: this would be fairly awful on disk, so make sure its only in /tmp, but that would let you see it for the pid that goes haywire without filling up disk w/ log
[17:24] <MontyMoose> oh I see, so any processes which are running at that precise moment will have a PID open
[17:24] <SpamapS> MontyMoose: and when I say only in /tmp, I mean only in a tmpfs partition
[17:24] <MontyMoose> yeah
[17:24] <MontyMoose> could I store it to a session_variable?
[17:25] <MontyMoose> oh no - that would only work on the users machine
[17:25] <MontyMoose> daft idea = forget that :-)
[17:26] <MontyMoose> and we're not worried that file_put_contents will put a big strain on things?
[17:26] <MontyMoose> server gets about 50,000 hits a day
[17:30] <MontyMoose> thanks for all that - think I've got a plan now
[17:32] <SpamapS> hah, 50,000 / day == 0.58 requests per second
[17:32] <SpamapS> I think a rasbperry pi could handle that
[17:37] <sarnold> SpamapS: static, yes, running php and doing mysql, maybe it's pushing it a bit..
[17:46] <SpamapS> sarnold: not even
[17:47] <SpamapS> sarnold: you have 1.7 seconds to finish every request...
[17:47] <sarnold> SpamapS: somehow I read that as .58 seconds per request...
[17:48] <sarnold> SpamapS: that does make more sense, even with the limited ram on board :)
[17:57] <hallyn> utlemming: around?
[17:57] <utlemming> hallyn: yup
[17:58] <hallyn> utlemming: is there a bug in cloud-init in oneiric re handlnig of ssh public keys?
[17:58] <hallyn> (put another way - i think ther eis :)
[17:58] <utlemming> hallyn: not that I am aware of...what are you seeing?
[17:59] <hallyn> if i lxc-create -t ubuntu -n o1 -- -S ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub -r oneiric, the resulting container does not have my ssh key in ~/ubuntu/.ssh
[17:59] <hallyn> utlemming: but with -r precise, it does
[17:59] <hallyn> uh, -t ubuntu-cloud, sorry
[18:00] <utlemming> hallyn: interesting...okay, that is likely a bug with the lxc-create template
[18:01] <hallyn> utlemming: the key info IS in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net/meta-data in the guest
[18:01] <hallyn> which is why i figured it was a cloud-init bug, not template
[18:29] <subman> I don't seem to be able to get my sendmail to work.  I keep getting the following error in my returned email: http://pastebin.com/daEnLx4B
[18:31] <subman> Here is my sendmail.mc: http://pastebin.com/VrN1qDcv
[18:47] <roaksoax> jamespage: or better yet, still around?
[18:49] <ScottK> subman: Most people in Ubuntu use postfix.
[18:49] <roaksoax> hggdh: ping
[18:49] <roaksoax> hggdh: do you need sponsorship of cobbler to -proposed?
[18:50] <roaksoax> or has it been uploaded already?
[18:50] <hggdh> roaksoax: I certainly do. Can you please check if it is now kosher?
[18:50] <roaksoax> hggdh: is this were the SRU lieS? https://launchpad.net/~hggdh2/+archive/ppa
[18:51] <hggdh> roaksoax: no, it is in https://code.launchpad.net/~hggdh2/ubuntu/precise/cobbler/lp-967815/+merge/132172
[18:51] <hggdh> and bug 967815
[18:53] <roaksoax> hggdh: cool, I'll upload it to precise-proposed for the SRU to be procesed then
[18:53] <hggdh> roaksoax: IOU, thanks
[18:53] <hggdh> roaksoax: I am still to prepare a merge for Quantal
[18:54] <roaksoax> hggdh: has this been fixed in raring though?
[18:54] <hggdh> ugh
[18:54] <hggdh> roaksoax: IDK, let me check
[18:54] <roaksoax> hggdh: alright, we need to fix it in raring... :)
[18:54] <hggdh> if the cobbler version is the same... then we need it there also
[18:54] <hggdh> on it
[18:55] <roaksoax> hggdh: yeah, ok, I'll strip the patch from your branch, test it and upload it
[18:55] <hggdh> roaksoax: thank you
[18:55]  * hggdh cancels the Raring cobbler branch creation
[18:57] <hggdh> yes, we need it on raring
[19:01] <lvmer> I've got a samba problem. I can't see 1 of my servers on the network. It should be identical to my 2nd one. I think there is a name resolution or netbios or wins conflict?
[19:01] <roaksoax> hggdh: does this look sane to you then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360923/
[19:03] <jamespage> roaksoax, yep
[19:04] <roaksoax> jamespage: ok so i was thinking this:
[19:04] <roaksoax> jamespage: the hacluster charm, sets in the config what resource to configure in terms of HA. it tells the name and type/resource to use
[19:04] <roaksoax> jamespage: currently, this is limited to only 1 resource per associated charm
[19:05] <sarnold> lvmer: does smbclient -L -I<IP> show you information from both  servers alright?
[19:05] <roaksoax> jamespage: so, to make things better, i was thinking on removing the definition of the resource to HA in the config for the charm (say HAProxy), and simply do that in the relation
[19:05] <sarnold> lvmer: (forgive me, it's been a decade since I've had to debug smbd, my commands are liable to be wrong, but I hope the ideas are there...)
[19:06] <roaksoax> jamespage: so, each charm to integrate HA, can simply send a list of resource to HA, with parameters, that will be set (an unchangeable) for the relation, rather than declaring them in the config
[19:06] <roaksoax> jamespage: this way, if a charm needs various resources in HA, then it can simply send the list with its options, that the hacluster will interpret and execute
[19:06] <roaksoax> acoordingly
[19:06] <roaksoax> jamespage: now, this could also allow me to define resources_active_passive and resources_active_active
[19:07] <roaksoax> so there would be a list for each type of resource
[19:07] <roaksoax> jamespage: does that make better sense?
[19:09] <lvmer> sarnold: not enough '\' characters in service... I ran \\<IP_ADDRESS>\share\    it leaves me with a  blank line
[19:09] <hggdh> roaksoax: it does sound correct
[19:10] <sarnold> lvmer: how about \\\\<IP_ADDRESS>\\share\\ ?
[19:10] <sarnold> .. double all the \ to get them through the shell..
[19:10] <JoeVLcek> Can someone please help me with a cloud-init issue regarding the default user?
[19:10] <JoeVLcek> cloud.cfg now has: users: -default
[19:11] <JoeVLcek> how does one specify the user name? for example how do I specify ec2-user ?
[19:11] <JoeVLcek> is the new user functionality documented some place that someone can point me to?
[19:12] <JoeVLcek> smoser: ping
[19:12] <lvmer> sarnold: it asks for root password xD  that should be disabled. So I can't get past it xD
[19:13] <sarnold> lvmer: there's command line options to tell it which user accout to try to use..
[19:13] <lvmer> sarnold: doh
[19:14] <lvmer> sarnold: ok it ran
[19:15] <lvmer> sarnold: command seems to execute, but no list back on either 17 or 18.  ip 17 still shows up in windows explore on LAN computers though.
[19:17] <roaksoax> hggdh: alright, I uploaded to raring, quantal-proposed, precise-propoesd
[19:17] <roaksoax> hggdh: so it is just matter for someone on the SRU team to review, and make it available for verification
[19:17] <hggdh> roaksoax: one day I will be as fast as you...
[19:20] <sarnold> lvmer: but both think they're alive? did eithe rknow about the other?
[19:21] <lvmer> they shouldn't know about eachother
[19:21] <lvmer> sarnold: they shouldn't know about eachother
[19:22] <sarnold> lvmer: no? I thought the whole point of magic nmbd things was that everyone knew about each other so they could elect leaders and the like?
[19:22] <lvmer> sarnold: I think it's a name resolution or net bios problem, because both samba configs are idential & all shorewall ports are accept
[19:22] <lvmer> sarnold: idk if I have magic nmdb
[19:23] <sarnold> lvmer: ps auxw | grep nm, I bet it's there... :)
[19:24] <hggdh> roaksoax: so I can delete the merge request I did for Precise, correct?
[19:24] <roaksoax> hggdh: yes :)
[19:24] <hggdh> done :-)
[19:24] <lvmer> sarnold: aaahhhh.. it is on the working server nmbd -D,   but on 18..... it just says --color=auto nm
[19:26] <roaksoax> /win/win 8
[19:26] <roaksoax> err
[19:27] <sarnold> lvmer: hrm. :) I wonder what kept nmbd from running on 18?
[19:28] <lvmer> sarnold: no idea... I understand it is part of the samba package.... but how do I install it again?
[19:29] <jamespage> roaksoax, I think that makes alot of sense - so the principle charm says to the hacluster subordinate - ha this stuff
[19:30] <sarnold> lvmer: try running 'service nmbd status'
[19:30] <lvmer> sarnold: you think this is an easy fix? or should I just reinstall and then restore the configs? Because I started nmbd but samba still doesn't show and nmap on another computer shows 18's 139 & 445 ports still closed
[19:30] <sarnold> lvmer: and 'service nmbd restart' is probably a reasonable idea too; check /var/log/ to see if you can find the nmbd logs, they may be stuffed in a samba directory or something.
[19:30] <jamespage> roaksoax, if you do that through the container relation then it can also use that relation presence to determine what todo with restarts of services etc... and coor with the hacluster charm
[19:30] <lvmer> sarnold: stop/waiting
[19:31] <roaksoax> jamespage: yeah! I'll have the charm modified and test it out
[19:32] <lvmer> sarnold: /var/log/samba/log.nmbd
[19:33] <lvmer> sarnold: no network interfaces found
[19:33] <lvmer> sarnold: lib/interface.c:543(load_interfaces)
[19:34] <sarnold> lvmer: ooh very curious :) I wonder why -- misconfigured?
[19:34] <sarnold> does it have .17 address in its listen line or something?
[19:34] <lvmer> sarnold: I bet so!  http://paste.kde.org/607436/
[19:35] <lvmer> sarnold: where is the network interface file I should be looking at? xD
[19:36] <sarnold> lvmer: it might get it out of smbd.conf or whatever..
[19:37] <lvmer> sarnold: does this seem bad to you? http://paste.kde.org/607442/
[19:38] <sarnold> lvmer: does 'ip addr show' show you the 'em1' interface?
[19:39] <lvmer> sarnold: no... should it be 'eth0'
[19:40] <sarnold> lvmer: probably; whichever interface the machine should use. :)
[19:40] <lvmer> sarnold: how come .17 also has that command and no em1 interface?
[19:41] <sarnold> lvmer: no idea :)
[19:42] <lvmer> sarnold: well the ports on .18 are open now
[19:42] <lvmer> sarnold: but still no windows explore access
[19:43] <sarnold> lvmer: mmhm, that may take a while, i found sometimes the easiest way to force windows clients to see new systems was reboot them or maybe reboot the old master, force a new election
[19:43] <lvmer> sarnold: can you have 2 masters? I think that might be a problem for me.
[19:44] <sarnold> lvmer: only one master.
[19:44] <lvmer> in the smb config right?
[19:44] <lvmer> what if you have none?
[19:46] <sarnold> lvmer: they elect themselves
[19:46] <sarnold> lvmer: the 'master = yes' just says that that machine will participate in elections
[19:46] <lvmer> ok rebooting all
[19:47] <lvmer> sarnold: I put perfered master = no for one of them just incase. But domain master = yes for both
[19:47] <sarnold> lvmer: sounds good.
[19:48] <lvmer> sarnold: lol .17 doesn't work now lol
[19:49] <sarnold> lvmer: o_O
[19:50] <lvmer> sarnold: I set both to interfaces = eth0 em1
[19:50] <lvmer> sarnold: rebooting
[19:52] <lvmer> sarnold: no network interfaces found lol
[19:52] <lvmer> sarnold: nmbd did not start on either
[19:53] <sarnold> lvmer: ooof. :)
[19:57] <lvmer> sarnold: well the both have the same open ports from nmap. It's got to be an interface problem or something. .17 & .18 not accessible... but from the logs .17 thinks it is the master & has no errors.
[19:57] <lvmer> if my network interface is eth0 ? can't I use that for samba? why did it work when it was set to em1?
[20:01] <sarnold> lvmer: no idea there. :/
[20:22] <lvmer> sarnold: I got it! I redid the entire smb.conf & both servers work now. Thanks a ton for the trouble shooting help. There were definitely some network name & bind errors.
[20:54] <ZLoy> Hello one little question - i have server with ubuntu and want translate stream from my laptop with Traktor to that server. What software for streaming is better?
[20:56] <ZLoy> somthing like translate sound stream to internet from my dj rig..
[21:34] <subman> Any idea why my server would suddenly just stop serving web pages?  It was working just awhile ago.
[21:35] <SpamapS> subman: stop serving web pages how?
[21:35] <sarnold> subman: anything in the logs?
[21:35] <SpamapS> subman: like, 500 errors, or never responds?
[21:36] <subman> SpamapS, 507 and 508 codes found
[21:37] <SpamapS> never seen 50x's before
[21:37] <genii-around> Maybe /var/log/apache2/error.log   might hold some clues.
[21:37] <SpamapS> you're all assuming apache. ;)
[21:38] <SpamapS> probably a good assumption, but still. :p
[21:38] <subman> Yes, apache, sorry
[21:38] <subman> Here is that last line in the access log:
[21:38] <subman> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [15/Nov/2012:16:37:36 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 404 508 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0
[21:38] <genii-around> 507 is Insufficient Storage
[21:38] <subman> df
[21:38] <subman> oops
[21:39] <subman> Last line of error log:
[21:39] <subman> [Thu Nov 15 16:37:36 2012] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] script '/var/www/index.php' not found or unable to stat
[21:39] <subman> The index.php file is there
[21:41] <genii-around> Then likely "unable to stat"  might be due to these WebDAV errors.
[21:53] <subman> How to check?
[21:53] <subman> It was working literally an hour ago
[22:06] <subman> Could a bad .htaccess be causing this?
[22:09] <genii-around> subman: I would more suspect that you're just running out of room on your server.
[22:10] <subman> genii-around, On the hard drive?
[22:10] <genii-around> Yes.
[22:10] <subman> On / I have 36 G of which 22 G is free
[22:11] <genii-around> subman: What about /var ?
[22:13] <subman> genii-around, /var is on /
[22:13] <genii-around> subman: Does df -h show any partitions which are getting filled up?
[22:13] <sarnold> subman: how about ls -ld / /var /var/www /var/www/index.php   ?
[22:16] <subman> sarnold, http://pastebin.com/RQbTFqEb
[22:17] <sarnold> subman: ls says that file doesn't exist...
[22:17] <subman> The file is there
[22:17] <sarnold> at least permissions above it look sane enough.
[22:17] <sarnold> don't argue with me, argue with ls -l :)
[22:17] <subman> :)
[22:19] <subman> sarnold, oops
[22:19] <sarnold> subman: the + does mean that there are extended access controls on the directory; perhaps your user account and the apache user account have been forbidden to read or execute that directory?
[22:20] <subman> sarnold, http://pastebin.com/xZyfJqS4
[22:21] <sarnold> subman: okay; how about the directory access control lists? I _think_ that's something like getfacl /var/www -- but it's been ages since I've done that.
[22:22] <subman> sarnold, why in the world would any of this have changed?
[22:23] <sarnold> subman: half the time people notice unexpected changes, it's because a buddy was doing things and forgot to tell people / forgot to finish. a large part of what's left is folks noticing they've been in-elegantly hacked... the remainder are harder to explain. :)
[22:24] <subman> I'm wondering if hacked
[22:30] <subman> I guess del and reinstall?
[22:31] <ScottK> It's unlikely you're hacked.
[22:31] <ScottK> Figuring it out could be a good learning experience.
[22:46] <urthmover> When I add a ppa for postgres....how do I know that running apt-get install postgesql-9.1  is actually coming from the newly added ppa?
[22:47] <sarnold> urthmover: 'apt-cache showpkg postgresql-9.1' or 'apt-cache showsrc postgresql-9.1' will probably output reassuring information.
[22:48] <urthmover> well said sir.   I just man apt-cache  and found the apt-cache showsrc one   thanks for the quick answer
[22:51] <sarnold> urthmover: there may be another mechanism, via 'pinning', to ensure you always get from the ppa version, but apt was more designed for distributions than for ppas.. check out the apt_preferences(5) manpage's section on "APT's Default Priority Assignments" and see if that looks amenable.
[22:52] <sarnold> urthmover: "Pin: origin" may be useful.
[22:54] <subman> Well I'm stumped here and have no idea where to turn.  Any ideas for me to look?
[23:01] <urthmover> way cool sarnold
[23:02] <sarnold> subman: when all else fails you can attach strace to your apache and try to catch it in the act of failing; but that's a miserable way to spend an afternoon. You're sure there's nothing else instructive in the logs?
[23:03] <subman> Nothing that I can find
[23:12] <lvmer> I could use some minor help with samba. When I set one of my folders to $ security = user  && valid users = @group1 greg john     ..... I can't log into the file... with either greg john or anyone in group1.
[23:12] <subman> ok, now I am getting closer here!
[23:13] <subman> In my browser I type http://site/index.html but firefox returns /index.php was not found.
[23:14] <subman> It is looking for .php
[23:17] <sarnold> subman: do you have any horrible rewrite games going on to re-write .html requests into .php requests?
[23:17] <subman> sarnold, I'm looking into that right now
[23:21] <subman> It seems it is my .htaccess is destroyed.
[23:23] <subman> Can I just delete .htaccess?
[23:35] <sarnold> subman: depends what it is supposed to do. :) most sites don't use .htaccess files since they're read and re-read on every incoming request, compared with the standard apache config which is read once at startup
[23:36] <subman> sarnold, thanks, just reading up now.  Thanks for your help.
[23:41] <phillw> hi guys, a very quick one for you. Based on the quote "I love standards, anyone can create one", which standard for Cloud servers is becoming more prevalent? I ask not for your 'favourite', but what you good people see in the fight between "BetaMax & VHS", etc. ?
[23:41] <SpamapS> phillw: there's no "standard" for that.. just "providers" like EC2, Rackspace, HP, etc.
[23:43] <phillw> SpamapS: is OpenStack making any inroads or should I base my complete newness on a different standard?
[23:45] <SpamapS> phillw: There are currently 3 public openstack clouds you can get access to right now (HP, Rackspace, and Dreamhost, though that one is still limited I think)
[23:45] <SpamapS> phillw: there are also millions of dollars flowing into the OpenStack foundation, so yeah, I'd say its making inroads ;)
[23:47] <phillw> so, just like I had to make a leap over to gain 'Red Hat' certification for to be considered 'approved' in the commercial market, is using OpenStack similarly accepted?


[07:49] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning, Alan, Morning Alan and Good Morning everyone (To be said out load in the voice of Lionel Blue).
[08:05] <popey> Heh
[08:22] <DJones> Morning all
[08:37] <awilkins> Oh what a lovely traffic jam.
[08:39] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/287638-scroll-essential-tablet-pc-53511
[08:39] <popey> el cheapo tablet in my ebuyer spam this morning
[08:39] <popey> 1080p playback and hdmi out
[08:40]  * AlanBell thinks popey is like this with tablets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTwcCVajAc
[08:41] <AlanBell> you can't hug them all, but that one does look rather nice with the 2GB ram
[08:41] <popey> more like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4&feature=related
[08:42] <AlanBell> oh, 2GB of SD, only 256MB ram
[08:42] <AlanBell> don't want to hug that one
[08:43] <popey> hah
[08:44] <DJones> Interesting tablet you've just linked on twitter, very good price, just looking for some reviews
[08:45] <DJones> Storage Options is launching the product in time for Christmas and the new unit has already proved extremely popular with gadget enthusiasts and will be featuring on Channel 5’s the Gadget Show on 21st November 2011
[08:45] <DJones> Will have to give that a watch tonight
[08:45] <popey> heh
[08:45] <popey> for nothing else as a little media player it might be useful
[08:45] <popey> if you kill all background stuff
[08:46] <DJones> Been debating about a kindle or a tablet for christmas, mostly for book reading, but maybe a bit of browsing & otehr android apps.  Memory looks a bit low at 256Mb ram though
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> If it is appropriate I'd suggest you look at the Nook (Barnes & Noble) who should be applauded (IMHO) for their stand against stupid software patents.
[08:49] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm looking at that one and the one for sale in WH Smiths
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> They really are taking on MS et al, rather well.
[08:50] <DJones> Hmmh, 256Mb ram, 2Gb builtin memory (+ I think micro sd) for the cheap scroll
[08:50] <popey> 70 quid is very cheap for a tablet device
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can also put CM7 on the Nook if you feel hard enough ;-)
[08:50] <popey> wow, 20 have sold since I posted that link
[08:51] <awilkins> I just want a half decent family laptop
[08:51] <DJones> Even their top of the range is only £109.99
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> They will all be on eBay in the next few days for ~£100
[08:51] <popey> 4 hour battery ⍨
[08:52] <DJones> Its not bad for a cheaop tablet, although the screen is a bit small for my liking
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: ⍤
[08:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow, that unicode block is full of win :)
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> ⍢
[08:59] <daubers> Morning
[09:10] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:10] <bigcalm> Good morning alive beings :)
[09:11] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[09:12] <popey_> !ping
[09:12] <lubotu3`> another contentless ping... sigh...
[09:12]  * bigcalm flippers popey
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> eww?
[09:12] <bigcalm> Hard to say, MartijnVdS
[09:23] <andylockran> hey guys
[09:23] <andylockran> morning popey
[09:23] <wintellect> o/
[09:23] <andylockran> quick question regarding OSX/Ubuntu.  I would like to get an OSX Machine and RemoteDesktop into it from Ubuntu clients.  Can anyone recommend the best way to do this?
[09:24] <ging> x2x might work on OSX
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> OSX2OSX?
[09:31] <andylockran> I'd like to use the OSX machine as the server
[09:32] <JamesTait> Happy Monday!
[09:33]  * mattt stares at JamesTait
[09:33] <JamesTait> mattt: If I say it enough times, I'll start to believe it.
[09:35] <mattt> JamesTait: haha, whatever works for you :D
[09:38] <JamesTait> mattt: That remains to be seen. :-P
[09:41] <gord> andylockran, any osx applications that support the vnc protocol should work fine
[09:46] <bigcalm> Anybody here use Cybersource?
[09:55] <andylockran> gord: they just seem a little bit slow.
[09:55] <andylockran> gord: would it allow multi-users simultaneously?
[09:56] <gord> andylockran, i doubt it very much
[10:01] <Jungli> ubantards
[10:03] <MooDoo> what?
[10:03] <Jungli> hehhe kidding
[10:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer haz Coffee and an Ecclefechan Tart!
[10:08]  * daubers tries to make sure he has all the kit he needs for a brief foray into the outskirts of London
[10:09] <DJones> daubers: Map, emergency rations, water, safety gear & rescue srvices on speed dial ?
[10:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning
[10:12] <RJAHILL> @andylockran - OSX has a vnc server buit in. go to preferences, sharing, Remote management. click Computer Settings and configure a password
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:17] <daubers> DJones: Shotgun, satellite phone to get me the hell out :)
[10:17] <daubers> You know, just the essentials
[10:21] <DJones> daubers: I was thinking aling the lines of the shotgun :)
[10:22] <DJones> Must admit, I don't like "Citys", too crowded for me
[10:23] <kirrus> DJones: don't you mean cities? I know exactly what you mean, though. Left london after a year there, glad to.
[10:23] <daubers> right
[10:24]  * daubers heads off
[10:24] <DJones> kirrus: Yep, good spot
[10:24]  * popey would have suggsted daubers re-read http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CarSurvivalKit
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> "Laminated pictures of rod"?
[10:28] <DJones> "Ladies of the night/Daviey/Creme Eggs/Apple Pie"  I don't even want to think how Daviey gets into that category
[10:29] <andylockran> RJAHILL: yeah,  I'm using the builtin server - from osx machine it's great (even over wifi) - but from Ubuntu it's death.
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: he made the apple pie
[10:30] <DJones> :)
[10:46] <dogmatic69> o/
[10:47] <Myrtti> popey: if the list lacks "a Finn" it's not complete
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Humans don't have finns ;)
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> uhr fins ;)
[10:49] <MooDoo> have you lot gone nuts this morning?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ?
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: maybe we were nuts all along!
[10:50] <Myrtti> I'm a pecan nut
[10:50] <Myrtti> popey is a hazelnut
[10:50] <Myrtti> MooDoo: you can be a pecan nut
[10:50] <Myrtti> :-D
[10:50] <bigcalm> o.O
[10:51] <MooDoo> Myrtti: with my head then yes lol
[10:51] <Myrtti> or a ... what's the thing
[10:51] <popey> I'd prefer to be a macadamia tbh
[10:51] <Myrtti> mmmm macadamia
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> not a pistachio?
[10:51] <Myrtti> chomp
[10:51] <Myrtti> roasted and salted macadamias ♥
[10:51] <Myrtti> MooDoo: walnut!
[10:51] <MooDoo> yum
[10:56] <dogmatic69> damn... 1.2Ghz usb stick http://www.helloandroid.com/content/cotton-candy-dual-core-android-powerhouse-usb
[10:58] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: yeah $200 dollars though
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[10:59] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: not to bad really, that is some micro tech and pretty fast
[10:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, proddity, prod
[10:59] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: better than most $200 phones you will buy
[10:59] <Myrtti> I had forgotten how nice a piece of toast with only cucumer tastes like
[10:59] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's silent again
[10:59] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: she's working
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: i gathered
[11:00] <AlanBell> working hard or hardly working
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: I just get my prods in while czajkowski can't reply then by the time she can I'm offline Muhahahaahahah
[11:00] <MooDoo> ooo eviil
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: he're the prods from czajkowski then "prod prod prod prod prod x100 to make up for all yours"
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: I wouldn't worry it's czajkowski she gets her own back ;)
[11:08] <mattt> http://www.openculture.com/freeonlinecourses
[11:23] <mattt> can anyone recommend a python bot?  similiar to ruby's rbot?
[11:27] <kirrus> mattt: phenny?
[11:32] <diplo> Morning all
[11:32] <diplo> I've been asked by work to get software for Bug tracking/Call logging/Assett Management together
[11:33] <diplo> What I'd like to do is integrate a lot of these systems, any one got any recommendations
[11:33] <diplo> ?
[11:33] <DJones> mattt: Is supybot python?
[11:33] <DJones> mattt: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Supybot_Install_Guide
[11:46] <dogmatic69> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mi80x/give_me_that_one_command_you_wish_you_knew_years/
[11:46] <Laney> hi thar
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> <() and >()
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> I wish I knew about those long a go
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> "Process Substitution" in the bash manual, for interested people :)
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. the "Serve this directory + children over HTTP" - python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8080
[11:56] <mattt> DJones: hehe, already installed that ... thanks :P
[11:56] <mattt> kirrus: went w/ supybot, will check out phenny if it doesn't pan out
[12:01] <DJones> mattt: This may be helpful as well for configuration, http://ubottu.com/guide/ or various things it does, the ubuntu bots are based on supybot
[12:17] <mattt> DJones: brilliant, thanks!
[12:24] <davmor2> gord: I just put in a request for most of December off I'm just awaiting the reply now :D
[12:25] <brobostigon> question, best way to put a *.img designed for usb boot, would still be dd ?
[12:26] <monsterwizard> I'm so interesting ina a lot of things
[12:27] <monsterwizard> there's so little time to do everything
[12:27] <monsterwizard> all I want to do is read about science and electronics
[12:27] <monsterwizard> that's al I want tbh
[12:27] <monsterwizard> and that's all I do in my spare time
[12:27] <monsterwizard> but I want to do it allll
[12:27] <monsterwizard> I want to do more
[12:31] <davmor2> brobostigon: Take the over whelming silence to mean yes ;)
[12:31] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, i would agree.
[12:33] <ali1234> what others ways are there?
[12:34] <ali1234> btw all ubuntu images are hybrid-iso now, which means you can dd them
[12:34] <ali1234> no need for image creator or unetbootin
[12:34] <DJones> I'm glad my phone isn't due for renewal until next year, this looks an interesting prediction/possibility http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43148/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-2012
[12:34] <andylockran> :)
[12:34] <mattt> DJones: sweet, all good to go w/ SSL using twisted
[12:34] <brobostigon> i was thinking about minix not ubuntu,
[12:34] <AlanBell> that is interesting
[12:35] <ali1234> minix srsly?
[12:36] <brobostigon> ali1234: yes, simply for research, into its microkernel properties, and similiarities in design to BeOS and haiku, which are also microkernels.
[12:40] <ali1234> http://www.ebuyer.com/272786-synology-rs411-1u-8tb-nas-rack-solution-rs411-8tb vs http://www.ebuyer.com/268341-qnap-ts-412u-8tb-1u-rack-nas-solution-ts-412u-8tb
[12:40] <ali1234> vs something else?
[12:41] <ali1234> anyone got any advice on these?
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> Synology++
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> (but that's because I have several and LOVE their software)
[12:43] <ali1234> really? they are cheapest too
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> because it's the '11 model
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> and the 412 will be coming out soonish
[12:49] <andylockran> does anyone use AWS for hosting their DNS ?  route53 ?
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> I use gandi.net -- I get my domains there too
[12:54] <Myrtti> YIKES
[12:54] <Myrtti> google plus just added everyone I've got in my Google circles into my Google Talk roster
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: it does offer an opt-out
[12:55] <Myrtti> I read it but didn't quite understand what it meant
[12:56] <Myrtti> /o\
[13:06] <andylockran> does anyone use AWS for hosting their DNS ?  route53 ?
[13:08] <kirrus> andylockran: I guess that's a no :)
[13:09] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: because privacy should totally be an opt-out thing rather than an opt-in? ;-)
[13:15] <Myrtti> Pendulum: it was opt-in, but now I can't find opt-out
[13:17] <AlanBell> is google talk something different to the chat thing and the hangout thing and the huddle thing?
[13:18] <Myrtti> AlanBell: well up to recently the chat widget in gmail and g+ has been accessible via any XMPP client
[13:19] <Myrtti> and still is
[13:19] <Myrtti> now I've just got a person I accidentally approved to chat :-<
[13:21] <Myrtti> oh man
[13:21] <AlanBell> never really figured out the chat thing, I can't see how to add people
[13:22] <AlanBell> looks like I can chat to MartijnVdS, Stephane Graber (who I don't really know) and Bilal Akhtar for some reason, thats it
[13:22] <Myrtti> alright, managed to figure it out
[13:22] <Myrtti> I can choose all, some or none of the circles
[13:23] <AlanBell> does that just mean that the 268 other people in my circles don't use chat or something?
[13:23] <Pendulum> AlanBell: they either get added automatically from your contacts or if you have gmail open, there's a little down arrow to the right of the Chat heading that you can click and will give you the option (at least in the old setup)
[13:23] <Myrtti> and selecting none doesn't remove the people I've had in both g+ and gtalk
[13:23] <Pendulum> Myrtti: where's the setting?
[13:23] <Myrtti> Pendulum: right side of the Chat -title, little pulldown arrow, privacy settings
[13:24] <AlanBell> aah, right you have to use gmail web client contacts for it to work
[13:25] <Pendulum> Myrtti: odd, gives me settings, but not privacy settings
[13:26] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/PfpE7Dqrfxf
[13:27] <Myrtti> I've got it right underneath
[13:27] <AlanBell> how did you add the circles to chat?
[13:28] <AlanBell> wonder if this is something being selectively rolled out to special people first
[13:28] <Myrtti> AlanBell: I just refreshed and I was prompted
[13:31] <AlanBell> OK, I will wait for that to happen I guess
[13:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi
[13:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: ^ see
[13:33] <davmor2> lo czajkowski
[13:33]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 sup
[13:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: nothing you prod
[13:34] <czajkowski> I'm not a prod
[13:34]  * czajkowski goes back to work
[13:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski: mwah! missed ya!
[13:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't worry czajkowski will be back latter to annoy me I'm sure :)
[13:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: good :)
[13:49] <Myrtti> uuueerrrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dlUi3DnrzA
[13:53] <ali1234> yeah that's going to turn out really well when i'm doing some soldering
[13:54] <popey> lol
[13:54] <popey> love the way they fade it out just as he's about to use the keyboard
[13:54] <popey> bet that doesnt work
[13:54] <davmor2> popey: haha
[13:55] <davmor2> popey: worse than that they haven't enable multi-touch yet so it sounds like a stylo-phone
[14:01] <ali1234> i just don't think it will fit my workflow http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/desk.jpg
[14:09] <popey> \o/ altoids
[14:10] <bigcalm> popey: remember that site I keep pestering you with?
[14:10] <bigcalm> It's now live
[14:12] <popey> \o/
[14:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: WooHoo
[14:13] <bigcalm> I will say nothing about the design, but it "works" now
[14:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[14:16] <ali1234> popey: can i have a beta invite for trublr please?
[14:18] <popey> ali1234: sure, I'll sort that out shortly, I need to update my package etc
[16:38] <oimon> can anyone recommend a feed reader that syncs with google reader? liferea doesn't , and rssowl is super slow java klunkyness
[16:38] <directhex> blam?
[16:43] <popey> ☹  my cpu keeps overheating
[16:43] <popey> well, hits a threshold
[16:43] <popey> Nov 21 16:28:02 localhost kernel: [326407.708449] CPU0: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 26617717)
[16:43] <popey> Nov 21 16:28:02 localhost kernel: [326407.708930] CPU0: Core temperature/speed normal
[16:43] <popey> I get that quite a bit when it hits 80 degrees c
[16:44] <gord> does this crazy new google+ talk thing affect all gtalk like things?
[16:44] <gord> or just the google+ widget
[16:44] <MooDoo> gord all
[16:44] <MooDoo> gord: just had them all appear in pidgin :)
[16:44] <oimon> YAY..liferea latest version supports google reader, despite the dev saying it wouldn't happen
[16:45] <gord> popey, how i solved that problem, http://www.ebuyer.com/264011-corsair-hydro-series-h60-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-cwch60 - never see my cpu above 40 now :) mostly < 30
[16:45] <gord> plus, nice and quiet
[16:46] <gord> oimon, is that latest version in the repos?
[16:46] <popey> oooooo
[16:46] <oimon> i'm on lucid gord so i'm not sure
[16:46] <oimon> 1.7+ is required
[16:46] <popey> gord: what cpu do you use that on?
[16:46] <oimon> !info liferea
[16:46] <lubotu3`> liferea (source: liferea): feed aggregator for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1.6.4-1ubuntu7 (natty), package size 225 kB, installed size 764 kB
[16:46] <gord> popey, some i7 variant, not sandybridge
[16:46] <gord> quad core
[16:46] <oimon> bah, still uses natty :(
[16:47] <popey> my old desktop only has c2d
[16:47] <popey> but then my i7 should be fixed tomorrow when engineer comes, so could use it on that
[16:47] <gord> it comes with an adapter so it works on a lot of cpu/motherboard combinations
[16:47] <popey> ooooo
[16:47]  * popey gets two
[16:47] <gord> liquid cooling sounds crazy, but now that i use it, going back to loud fans, that sounds crazy
[16:47] <popey> coolio
[16:50] <popey> \o/
[16:50] <popey> done
[16:51] <gord> :) you might not need this, turns out i did though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO9APx2yKrg
[16:54] <oimon> did amazon mp3s go up in price? or were they always 79p?
[16:59] <directhex> popey, this is your cheapo ebuyer pc?
[17:04] <DJones> Any iphone/ipad owners looking for cheap games http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43156/gameloft-unveils-biggest-ever-sale
[17:05] <popey> directhex: overheating no
[17:05] <popey> directhex: the cheapo ebuyer one went phut ☺
[17:06] <popey> engineer coming tomorrow
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/980/ the total perspective vortex
[17:55] <AlanBell> everything you do, ever, is entirely economically insignificant
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> ooh with google maps-y interface
[17:56] <AlanBell> it is a spectacular bit of work that
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> it has jokes too
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> ("J.K. Rowling had she become a rapper"
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> ("50 cent, adjusted for inflation")
[18:49] <jutnux> Evening ladies.
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Oh sure, ignore the men.
[18:51] <jutnux> I meant that :(
[18:54] <jutnux> I believe it is Toast Sandwich o' clock in 40 minutes.
[19:10] <Myrtti> harumph
[19:10] <Myrtti> I thought Ubuntu membership gave access to LWN
[19:15] <czajkowski> hmm so did I
[19:15] <awilkins> :@
[19:16] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/LWN
[19:16] <AlanBell> haven't bothered registering myself
[19:17] <Myrtti> I've done that years ago
[19:17] <AlanBell> does it not work?
[19:17] <Myrtti> logged in to read something gregkh posted in Google+ and no, it doesn't work
[19:21] <penguin42> heck, todays Xkcd is massive
[19:22] <awilkins> Yeah, too big for my phone.. will have to view it at home.
[19:22] <mgdm> yeah
[19:22] <mgdm> tl;dr
[19:22] <mgdm> :)
[19:27]  * penguin42 loves the random things he throws in 'value of a solid gold toilet (626 lbs) by year'
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> I want one now
[19:29] <penguin42> Martinp23: They say gold is quite soft, probably best not scrub it that hard
[19:29] <penguin42> oops, wrong complete
[19:31] <Azelphur> Steam, always bringing you the greatest specials. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8117884/photos/SteamSpecials.png xD
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> -0%!
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> That's a lot off
[19:32] <Azelphur> indeed, should totally buy
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/ new music
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> (from Norway)
[19:37] <bigcalm> Oh?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_(Marit_Larsen_album)
[20:02] <danfish> evening all
[20:02] <danfish> MartijnVdS: she's rather good.
[20:02] <danfish> "suffers" from the abba syndrome
[20:03] <danfish> ie english as a second language meaning you can actually understand the lyrics ;)
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> heh
[20:10] <danfish> MartijnVdS: thanks for the python webserver tip thing - I'd forgotten that one. Very useful.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> danfish: same for me - until I saw it on reddit :)
[20:30] <czajkowski> FYI folks: #rugbyrants exists for those who want to talk about rubgy
[20:32] <Azelphur> but talking in here about random offtopic things is much more fun
[20:32]  * Azelphur runs
[20:32] <czajkowski> well not everyone follows it, and it worked out really well for the RWC to have a seperate channel
[20:33] <AlanBell> is there more rugby happening?
[20:33]  * Azelphur doesn't like rugby
[20:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yeah a whole year of it :)
[20:33] <mgdm> uhoh :P
[20:36]  * daubers goes and finds some paints....
[20:49] <jacobw> evening
[20:49]  * czajkowski listens to zuma dance music and get to work on her emails
[20:51]  * czajkowski just watched Dr. Strangelove
[21:19] <daubers> czajkowski: Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the war room!
[21:19] <czajkowski> great film
[21:42] <jutnux> Anyone here done some of Project Euler?
[22:13] <AlanBell> jutnux: I did a bit of it
[22:15] <jutnux> AlanBell, Umhm, same.
[22:18] <AlanBell> one remaining space for the christmas party
[22:20] <jacobw> where is it?
[22:20] <popey> in between me and AlanBell
[22:21] <jacobw> sounds cozy
[22:21] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[22:21] <AlanBell> who could resist?
[22:22] <jacobw> oh dear, it clashes with my company do
[22:22] <jacobw> thanks for the offer though :)
[22:23] <jacobw> eating and drinking in the dark sounds fun
[22:24] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: that sounds like the complete opposite of anything I would ever want to do
[22:26] <AlanBell> I am quite looking forward to it
[22:28] <jacobw> c4 documentary about turing
[22:29] <jacobw> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/britains-greatest-codebreaker/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1
[23:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The Ubuntu Commons - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/21/the-ubuntu-commons/