[07:09] <infinity> Huh.  Something went very wrong and my d-i-images britney hack didn't work to keep linux_3.8 out.
[07:10]  * infinity fixes d-i, but would like to know why.
[07:15] <infinity> Oh, and I see why.
[07:18] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you just recently start using the faux package stuff in britney?  It's outputting completely broken stanzas to Packages...
[07:29] <infinity> (Which, I hope, is the cause of my d-i-images hack no longer working..)
[09:37] <psivaa> cjwatson: the server installations have linux-headers-server with unmet dependencies (linux-headers-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>.13) . is it temporary issue due to the timing?
[09:39] <psivaa> that is for today's server installations
[09:41] <psivaa> apw: henrix: ^^
[09:44] <infinity> psivaa: It's temporary, yes.
[09:44] <infinity> psivaa: proposed migration had an oops, and I'm fixing as we speak, though I won't stay up and respin images.
[09:45] <psivaa> infinity: ack, thank you. will there be a respin today though?
[09:46] <infinity> psivaa: If someone reminds me in the morning, I could do so, or we could just wait for the next round of dailies.
[09:46] <Laney> is that what broke desktop dailies too?
[09:46] <infinity> Laney: Seems likely.
[09:49] <Laney> although perhaps that has fixed itself
[09:49] <Laney> or someone fixed it, or whatever
[09:51] <cjwatson> slangasek: It's a bug that I haven't managed to figure out how to fix yet
[09:52] <cjwatson> infinity: No, I haven't changed anything there recently
[09:52] <infinity> cjwatson: Maybe it was that merge with Debian?  I know Packages_foo didn't used to have those broken faux packages at the tail end.
[09:54] <cjwatson> Hm, could be.  That was a little while back but I guess we haven't been paying close attention since.
[09:54] <cjwatson> I didn't think it touched faux packages though.
[09:55] <cjwatson> Actually I thought faux packages were done by britney1.
[09:55] <cjwatson> And I cleared them all out of there ...
[09:55] <psivaa> Laney: the raring desktop images have not built due to empathy having unmet dependencies?
[09:56] <cjwatson> Oh, I missed the fact that some of them were generated, maybe
[09:56] <cjwatson> Um.  I actually have no idea where those are coming from.
[09:57] <cjwatson> Ah, britney1/fauxpkg/noremove.d/
[09:57] <infinity> Yeah, but that's not new.
[09:57] <infinity> b1 hasn't been touched in ages.
[09:57] <cjwatson> None of this is new.
[09:57] <cjwatson> What exactly broke?
[09:57] <infinity> So, I figured maybe it was b2 that started acting on it somehow.
[09:58] <infinity> It stopped blocking linux on d-i-images.
[09:58] <infinity> Entirely.
[09:58] <infinity> And my guess (didn't dig) is that it thought the d-i-images entry was garbage because of all the broken ones later with the Package headers inthe wrong spots.
[09:59] <cjwatson> Oh.  But there isn't an ordering guarantee there; it's only broken from the POV of broken code :)
[09:59]  * Laney tries respinning desktop as it seems like empathy is now installable in release
[09:59] <infinity> Are you sure?  I've seen several tools complain if the first line in a Package stanza isn't Package:
[10:00] <cjwatson> I've never seen anything in policy specifying the ordering.
[10:00] <infinity> Anyhow, that was all a wild guess anyway, but I can't think of any other good reason why d-i-images was completely absent from update_output, and why linux migrated without it.
[10:01] <cjwatson> A bit hard to prove the negative without reading the whole thing, but I'm fairly sure.
[10:02] <cjwatson> b2 uses apt_pkg.TagFile to parse Packages files, AFAICS, so it shouldn't mind about ordering
[10:03] <cjwatson> I have no more bright ideas at this time in the morning, I'm afraid :-/
[10:04] <infinity> Yeah, I've been too busy fixing the symptom to look for the cause.
[10:04] <infinity> I'll poke it when I wake up.
[10:04] <infinity> But at least the current d-i should make it all happy again.
[11:12] <cjwatson> infinity,slangasek: If it doesn't terrify you too much, review of ^- that livecd-rootfs upload would be good
[11:12] <cjwatson> That's for the X enablement stack in 12.04.2
[11:23] <infinity> cjwatson: If vorlon doesn't beat me to it, I'll check in the morning.
[11:57] <Laney> psivaa: you haz desktop dailies now
[11:58] <psivaa> Laney: thanks
[12:19] <infinity> cjwatson: Hrm, maybe I was barking up the wrong tree.  Shouldn't the UML build-dep have also kept linux from migrating?
[12:19] <infinity> cjwatson: Maybe it's stopped taking NBS binary removal into account when doing rdep checks?
[12:24] <cjwatson> I'm not sure; if you can find an example which doesn't rapidly vanish (i.e. something also blocked by something else), then maybe I can check ...
[12:46] <tseliot> cjwatson: hi, can you approve the following sources and move them to main, please? nvidia-settings-304 nvidia-settings-304-updates nvidia-settings-310 nvidia-settings-310-updates
[12:47] <cjwatson> I'm about to go out for lunch - maybe somebody else can in the meantime
[18:32] <bdmurray> infinity: do you have an opinion on the worthwhileness of SRU'ing bug 1078544?
[18:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1078544 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Quantal) "python-aptdaemon: upgrading marks auto-installed packages as manual" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078544
[18:34] <infinity> bdmurray: Eww.
[18:34] <infinity> bdmurray: Yes, please SRU that.
[18:35] <bdmurray> infinity: also I'm inclined to mark bug 1027987 verification-done based off the regression testing and scope of the change, but would like a 2nd opinion.
[18:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1027987 in libvirt (Ubuntu Precise) "Starting libvirtd takes too long because of "udevadm settle" timeout" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027987
[18:38] <infinity> bdmurray: I'm inclined to let it slide, given that it's well-tested elsewhere.
[18:38] <infinity> Still a bit weird that nobody could reproduce the bug after it was fixed, but several people could before.
[18:39] <infinity> (As Ryan points out, though, this could just mean that a second bug was fixed elsewhere in the distro, and I'm not entirely against having a bug fixed twice)


[00:37] <KismetGFX> im gettin really frustrated reinstalled ubuntu almost 10 times now, install was success ejects disc tells me to reboot and i get non-system disk or disk error replace and strike any key when ready *sigh*
[00:38] <KismetGFX> wrong channel sorry
[01:19] <nixternal> jesus
[01:22] <Seeker`> KismetGFX: how can we help you?
[01:29] <KismetGFX> sorry, not sure if u got my reply. was wondering if i was vulnerable to the dcc exploit going around? read somewhere to come here to find out
[02:11] <nixternal> $1 for the first person to help me figure out -> Irssi: Fooey. Not opped. <- stupid auto_bleh script
[02:18] <Dominian> nixternal: op yourself in a channel then deop yourself
[02:18] <Dominian> the script sets a flag for when you are op'd
[02:19] <Dominian> If you try to execute it in a channel that you don't have OP privs in.. it'll keep doing that until you a) restart irssi or b) op yourself somewhere then deop yourself
[02:19] <nixternal> hrmm, I think I will just remove the } else { garbage that causes that
[02:19] <nixternal> thanks for that though...seems to have stopped it
[02:20]  * Dominian nods
[02:20] <Dominian> it is annoying
[02:20] <Dominian> but a minor annoyance
[02:20] <nixternal> oh, $DEBUG=0; will stop it too
[02:20] <Dominian> ooo
[02:20] <Dominian> in autobleh?
[02:20]  * Dominian looks
[02:20] <nixternal> ya
[02:20] <Dominian> sweet
[02:20]  * Dominian sets to 0 and reloads the script
[02:21] <nixternal> ooh, seems to work :)
[02:21] <Dominian> hehe
[02:22] <nixternal> it still goes on though, you just don't see the messages
[02:25]  * Dominian nods
[02:58] <ItOver> uh
[04:35] <elky> cytoplasm? is that our cytotoxic twit?
[04:37] <elky> (being the "freetard" individual who i just had to boot)
[04:59] <maco> uh is rot in #ubuntu a bot?
[05:24] <elky> !staff | please look at 'freetard' as per the past hour of scrollback here.
[07:10] <jussi01> anyone awake?
[07:16] <Flannel> jussi01: What's up?
[07:17] <jussi01> Flannel: nothing, just getting annoyed at work and wanted to see a friendly irc name :D
[07:17] <Flannel> Better than being annoyed at IRC and wanting to see a friendly work name!
[07:20] <jussi01> :D
[07:24]  * mneptok coats jussi01 in artic cloudberry jelly and pure rage
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <jussi01> its the daniel holbach daily good morning ritual :D good morning dholbach :)
[08:03] <dholbach> hiya jussi01
[08:03] <dholbach> how's life?
[08:04] <jussi01> Im alive...
[08:04] <jussi01> :)
[08:06] <Tm_T> jussi01: you sure?
[08:07]  * jussi01 checks pulse... yup!
[08:07]  * Tm_T tries to touch his body if it's real
[08:12] <topyli> jussi01: wondeful. this makes me happy
[08:52] <MenZa> it's a good start!
[09:20] <MenZa> maco: what is fujimitsu on about?
[09:21] <maco> MenZa: the nick FireCrotch
[09:21] <maco> being too sexualized
[09:21] <MenZa> the origin, rather
[09:21] <MenZa> I don't see why he doesn't just drop it o_O
[09:21] <maco> well it started on "why dont you get rid of that nick? its inappropriate"
[09:22] <MenZa> aye, I remember that
[09:22] <maco> and then firecrotch said that hey yeah its sexual cuz he's got red hair down there
[09:22] <maco> and then we all went O_O
[09:22] <maco> and now firecrotch is trying to come up with an excuse why its not inappropriate
[09:22] <maco> and fujimitsu isnt buying it
[09:23] <MenZa> I'm just going to ask fujimitsu and see if we can stop this without anyone having to be dragged in here.
[09:44] <elky> heh "firepits" would be telling the same story
[10:12] <elky> um, ziroday might have just summonsed indus to a membership meeting
[10:13] <Flannel> what?
[10:15] <elky> nevermind. crisis averted.
[10:16] <elky> indus has been on membership meeting candidate lists for a while. we've just expunged him from the asia/oceania one.
[10:21] <bazhang> asmodeus_ again
[11:18] <Mamarok> oops
[11:29] <tsimpson> ChanServ may not be here for long, so someone should +o in #ubuntu and probably -ot
[11:34] <bazhang> drmanhattan in -ot was muted in #ubuntu for being abusive/language
[11:36] <tsimpson> bazhang: are you talking to them?
[11:37] <bazhang> tsimpson, yep ; he is quite the combative one in PM  <DrManhattan> http://www.youboreme.com
[11:38] <tsimpson> if he becomes unreceptive, just say he can come here to discuss it
[11:38] <bazhang> okay thanks
[11:43] <MenZa> tsimpson: should I op up in -ot?
[11:44] <tsimpson> MenZa: if you want, it's just in case CS goes awol again
[11:45] <MenZa> tsimpson: right, I'll do that, just in case
[11:45] <MenZa> unless...
[11:45] <MenZa> are services very unstable today?
[11:45] <bazhang> just got a global notice from christel MenZa
[11:46] <MenZa> got it
[11:46] <MenZa> considering I'll be around for a few hours at least, I'll take guard then
[11:56] <jussi01> lets play SPLITSES!
[12:08] <MenZa> bazhang: perhaps a good forward is in order?
[12:09] <elky> tried PMs?
[12:09] <bazhang> MenZa, from -ot? he is just muted in #u not banned
[12:09] <bazhang> elky, yes, he is quite unresponsive
[12:09] <MenZa> elky: not to mention rude
[12:09] <MenZa> er, -elky
[12:09] <bazhang> heh
[12:10] <maco> similar to how in -ot you asked him to come here and he said "no thank you"?
[12:10] <MenZa> [2009-12-08 11:37:24 UTC] <+bazhang> tsimpson, yep ; he is quite the combative one in PM  <DrManhattan> http://www.youboreme.com
[12:10] <MenZa> bazhang dealt with him in #u
[12:10] <MenZa> so I'm not going to steal this one from him :)
[12:12] <MenZa> Sheesh.
[12:13] <Amaranth> whee
[12:18] <bazhang> sorry have to go out for a couple of minutes
[12:23] <jussi01> far out this is getting annoying...
[12:23] <tsimpson_> yes
[12:23] <tsimpson> it is
[12:23] <wgrant> :(
[12:31] <jpds> I say, let's just move to OFTC.
[12:32] <jpds> meh, stuff like #ubuntu is the problem really.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> jpds: heresy!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> or treason, either way
[12:33] <jussi01> ooh, its a hobbsee! :D
[12:33] <MenZa> :O
[12:33] <MenZa> Hobbsee speaks?!
[12:33] <Hobbsee> sure.  occasionally
[12:33] <jussi01> :D
[12:34] <MenZa> yay
[12:48] <MenZa> floodbots don't like netsplits :(
[12:48] <MenZa> Could we wipe !currentissues?
[12:50] <jussi01> !currentissues
[12:50] <jussi01> !forget currentissues
[12:50] <jussi01> bring it back when we need it.
[12:50] <MenZa> indeed
[12:51] <MenZa> We should probably strive to put date/timestamps on those as well
[12:51] <MenZa> !-currentissues
[12:51] <MenZa> Hm
[12:51] <MenZa> It was added a while back when we *were* having issues.
[12:53] <jussi01> MenZa: yes, good idea.
[13:03] <MenZa> Right, I'm going to go AWOL for a bit, so I'll de-op in -ot
[13:04] <Pici> MenZa: Why were you opped?
[13:05] <MenZa> Pici: Because of massive freenode breakage
[13:05] <Pici> MenZa: ah, oaky.
[13:20] <jpds> jussi01: They're not?
[13:22] <jussi01> jpds: I mean timstamp the current issues factoid so people can understand easily that its old.
[13:25] <jpds> Ah.
[13:25] <Tm_T> jussi01: agree on that
[13:35]  * Pici sighs
[13:35] <Pici> some people..
[13:35] <bazhang> yep
[14:19]  * genii makes a pot of coffee
[15:15] <gouki> Hello. I just wanted to inform the IRC team that the user gio123 has been banned from #ubuntu-pt - He has Private Messages on Join for most of the users, even though everyone already told him not to bother them.
[15:17] <gouki> Don't know if this is the right thing to do or not, but just wanted to inform in case it ever becomes an issue.
[17:04] <tsimpson> erm [17:01:52]* FloodBotK2 has quit (K-lined)
[17:04] <ikonia> ??
[17:04] <ikonia> that seems odd
[17:05] <tsimpson> seems someone k-lined that and FloodBot2
[17:05] <tsimpson> bot are on the same server
[17:05] <tsimpson> afaik
[17:05] <tsimpson> and now it's back
[17:05] <ikonia> it's nalioth's bot, give him a nudge I guess
[17:05] <ikonia> there was a bug in some freenode process a while ago that caused false klines
[17:06] <jussi01> nalioth will be able to fix any kline - especially on his box
[17:06] <ikonia> that was my rational
[17:17] <tsimpson> ah Flood|Bot was attacking in #freenode, that's probably our bot was k-lined
[17:18] <Pici> tsimpson: Are you sure that floodbot2 and floodbotk2 are on the same server?
[17:18] <ikonia> I hope not, as that would be a bit scrappy, although mistakes are human
[17:18] <tsimpson> Pici: nope :)
[17:18] <tsimpson> I know nal hosts them both, but I don't know more than that
[17:28] <nalioth> ikonia: so long as each numbered bot is on a different server, it should be fine
[17:28] <nalioth> ikonia: we're definitely not going to be able to scale "one server per floodbot per channel"
[17:29] <genii> For some reason that makes me think of "one coupon per customer"
[17:30] <tsimpson> one per customer per transaction
[17:31] <Pici> no shoes, no shirt, no service.
[17:31] <genii> Pici: Heh, I like your analogy best
[17:33]  * tsimpson wonders if anyone has ever walked into a shop wearing _only_ shoes and a shirt, just to say "the sign didn't say anything about 'no pants, no service'"
[17:33] <tsimpson> and remember, I'm using the british meaning for "pants" ;)
[17:34] <Tm_T> tsimpson: there's other meanings?
[17:34] <tsimpson> Tm_T: the american meaning
[17:34] <tsimpson> ie: trousers
[17:35]  * Tm_T goes search some dictionary
[17:35] <tsimpson> "pants" is british english word for the american english "underpants"
[17:36] <Tm_T> tsimpson: ok, that difference in meanings
[17:54] <Tm_T> nice
[18:56] <nsflfe1> hey can i plz be unbanned from #ubuntu
[18:59] <tsimpson> can you be trusted in #ubuntu?
[19:10] <pilif12p> Hi, there are about 4 people, i'm thinking a botnet spamming #ubuntu with "help"
[19:11] <Flannel> Didnt I see them ride a ktrain?
[19:11] <pilif12p> Flannel: was that to me?
[19:11] <Flannel> pilif12p: Yeah.  They're being taken care of.  Unfortunately, we can't do anything pro-actively
[19:12] <pilif12p> oh
[19:12] <Flannel> just playing whack-a-mole at this stage
[19:12] <pilif12p> I guess you could ask a staffer to gline them or something...
[19:12] <nsflfe1> yes
[19:14] <pilif12p> (just an idea)
[19:16] <pilif12p> Flannel: ^^
[19:17] <Flannel> pilif12p: That won't help when they keep changing hosts
[19:17] <pilif12p> oh
[19:17] <Flannel> Looks like it's calmed down now anyway
[19:17] <pilif12p> yep
[19:22] <pilif12p> They're at it as soon as i leave :/
[19:23] <genii> Bah. Spawning too fast
[19:24] <pilif12p> heh
[19:32] <pilif12p> hmm... chanserv is failing it seems
[19:44] <pilif12p> chanserv likes Pici :p
[19:47] <jussi01> pilif12p: anything else you need from us?
[19:47] <pilif12p> nope, thx.
[19:47] <pilif12p> .part
[19:48] <jussi01> !staff | anything you can do for a little help here?
[19:48] <Pici> Flannel, tsimpson: did either of you speak to staff about these help bots?
[19:49] <Flannel> Pici: I didn't.  But I assumed they knew, as the first batch were klined
[19:52] <v> jussi01: whats up?
[19:53] <jussi01> v: our little botnet...
[19:53] <jussi01> Pici: hows it going in there?
[19:53] <Pici> It looks like someone is at least partially taking care of it now.
[19:53] <vorian> indeed
[19:54] <Pici> I set +r for now, so they're going to drop into -unregged until it looks like its quieted down.
[19:56] <Pricey> The ones going 'help'?
[19:56] <Pici> Yes.
[19:56] <Pici> Although it doesn't look like they're doing it in -unregged.
[19:57] <Pricey> you don't have to follow forwards i believe
[20:10] <Pici> meh @ DrManhattan
[21:14] <Pricey> We really should clear some bans.
[21:14] <Pricey> We really shouldn't be forgetting about our bans and letting them remain forever, though I'm sure I'm also guilty.
[21:17] <ikonia> is the ban list bad at the moment (appologies I'm out of touch/sync at the moment)
[21:18] <tsimpson> it's quite full
[21:19] <ikonia> nsflfe1: hi
[21:19] <Flannel> I imagine a number of them are FB bans, either from proxy removals, or DCC forwards
[21:19] <ikonia> tsimpson: I'll look now at what I have in
[21:20]  * Flannel has no data to back this up, but personally only has like ten bans, all within the past ~month.
[21:24] <Flannel> ikonia: Original discussion was "Ubuntu computer, $500"
[21:24] <ikonia> Flannel: racecar has a bad habbit of taking it offtopic
[21:24] <Flannel> Aye
[21:25] <Flannel> I meant re: -ot instead of #hw
[21:25] <ikonia> yup
[21:25] <ikonia> I see what you're saying
[21:25] <ikonia> ahhh nsflfe1 quit as soon as I asked him what's up - caution when unbanning


[08:27] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[08:27] <DaSkreech> paines: Sorry went for lunch
[08:27] <paines> DaSkreech, no problem
[08:27] <DaSkreech> paines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[08:28] <paines> DaSkreech, thanks again
[08:29] <_al_> hello
[08:29] <_al_> what is wrong with kde 3.5.4 with kubuntu dapper?
[08:29] <arso> DaSkreech:  wats the difference between "!wine" and "!info wine"
[08:29] <soulrider> !wine will give you the link tot he wiki
[08:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about wine will give you the link tot he wiki - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:29] <exobuzz> _al_ http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[08:29] <soulrider> and the other one will just oput the information of the package here
[08:30] <_al_> exobuzz: let's read
[08:30] <_al_> thanks
[08:30] <BluesKaj> where does E17 reside in the menu after konsol install?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> alterato: Question Why do you keep coming back to Ubuntu/Kubuntu then?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> arso: one tells you about wine one tells you about the Wine package
[08:31] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: on the login screen under sessions
[08:32] <BluesKaj> thx gnomefreak
[08:32] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:32] <arso> DaSkreech:  i c thnx
[08:32] <Skrot> Hi. Any KDE 3.5.4 users who happend to use the Lipstick style with Toolbar seperators and handles turned off?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> !info mon
[08:32] <ubotu> mon: monitor hosts/services/whatever and alert about problems. In repository universe, is extra. Version 0.99.2-9ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 173 kB, installed size 804 kB
[08:32] <DaSkreech> !info mono
[08:32] <ubotu> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In repository main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 24 kB
[08:32] <alterato> DaSkreech: One hears such wonderful things and was simply considering it since I had read that you no longer have to install via nvidia's own packages. Not wanting to ruffle feathers but rather cover bases :)
[08:32] <exobuzz> skrot http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-354/README
[08:32] <DaSkreech> arso: It's basically apt-cache search
[08:32] <_al_> exobuzz: do you know how to solve problem with kde 3.5.4?
[08:33] <exobuzz> no..
[08:33] <_al_> ok
[08:33] <Skrot> exobuzz: A little late =)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> alterato: No Feathers gone here
[08:33] <exobuzz> but you can add the stuff thats missing form the klipper..
[08:33] <exobuzz> Skrot: and for me..
[08:33] <arso> DaSkreech:  meaning , the info u get when ur in adept/synaptic?
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Most people give a Distro one chance before kicking it if they are happy with what they have
[08:33] <DaSkreech> arso: Bingo
[08:33] <Skrot> exobuzz: I noticed most of my KDE custom settings where gone, but some of the options in lipstick just wont work now
[08:34] <arso> yay
[08:34] <Skrot> Doesn't really seem related
[08:34] <arso> omg, i just joined a torrent site, turned out to be for indian movies :(
[08:34] <exobuzz> skrot.. yup..
[08:34] <exobuzz> skrot.. mayeb thats broken too ?
[08:34] <exobuzz> that will teach you.me to me impatient eh :)
[08:34] <exobuzz> you/me
[08:34] <Skrot> Seems that way. ;)
[08:35] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: I have got a GeForce4 video driver but haven't bothered to install hardware acceleration, seems to fine with the basic install
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: known issue
[08:35] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Good. :)
[08:35] <thompa> im wondering what kernel i should run on amd64duo core?
[08:35] <Skrot> I rather like them known than unknown. But the issue is just with 3.5.4, right?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: doesnt mean its fixed
[08:35] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: Do you use dual displays?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> Skrot: 3.5.4 -dapper
[08:35] <rr72> how do i make like <ul> in HTML but with numbers instead of bullets?
[08:35] <thompa> i dont want to run the 64 bit version of kubuntu though
[08:35] <Skrot> gnomefreak: right. =)
[08:36] <thompa> am i better off with the 686 or k7?
[08:37] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: sadly not on this box, doesn't have that facility, would need to go and spend some money. If I start using as a development box, they I might just do that
[08:37] <unknown_one> thompa, depends on your CPU
[08:37] <Skrot> gnomefreak: What about "Titlebar double-click: Maximize" broken? Double-clicking titlebars shades the window
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Skrot: i havetn seeen that one yet but ive been busy the past few days
[08:38] <thompa> its an amd 64 duo core 4400
[08:38] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Okay. Are you running 3.5.4?
[08:38] <thompa> or 4200
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Skrot: yes
[08:38] <unknown_one> thompa, hmm, I could be wrong but I think that is a K8 CPU
[08:38] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: isn't it just a case of doing some tweaking in xorg.conf, or is that me over simplifying?
[08:38] <Skrot> gnomefreak: And is maximize your default action for titlebar double-clicking?
[08:38] <rikioh> how come when im trying to download firefox with adept.. it asks me for a dapper drake cd
[08:38] <thompa> yes its k8
[08:38] <thompa> your right
[08:38] <rikioh> i dont have a dapper drake cd
[08:39] <ranunculoid> How can I get K3B to be able to read MP3 files?
[08:39] <thompa> so i should maybe try k7?
[08:39] <fritsch> !restrictedformats
[08:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:39] <gnomefreak> Skrot: im not on it atm and im not on dapper
[08:39] <unknown_one> thompa, you could try it.
[08:39] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: There is a k3b-mp3 package
[08:39] <Skrot> gnomefreak: Okay. Thanks anyway :)
[08:39] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Do you have multiverse?
[08:39] <fritsch> ranunculoid: look at the restricted formats link
[08:39] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: It isn't over simplifying. I can and have done so in the past, just was curious about the convinience of letting the Control Panel for KDE do it for me.
[08:39] <thompa> right now its 386. i can use 64 bit kernel can i if its the 32 bit install?
[08:39] <thompa> cant i mean...sry
[08:39] <unknown_one> thompa, I don't think so
[08:40] <thompa> right
[08:40] <soulrider> can somsoene help me insatll soemthign using wine?
[08:40] <svivian> how can I stop my Dapper machine from losing the cursor when exiting xscreensaver? Do I have to go back to the KDE screensavers?
[08:40] <soulrider> im trying to use the guide int he wiki btu tis a bit confusing
[08:40] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: back the file up and go for it :-)
[08:40] <thompa> thanks. ill instal k7, see if i notice anything and compare
[08:40] <unknown_one> soulrider, what program?
[08:40] <soulrider> bots :P
[08:40] <soulrider> its a game
[08:40] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech: yeah I have lib-xine-extracodecs and multiverse and all that
[08:40] <soulrider> my problem is selecting the path to install to
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> thompa: It is possible to use a 64 bit kernel with a 32bit userland
[08:40] <rikioh> do i have to have a dapper drake cd to install firefox thru adept?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Don't mind using adept?
[08:41] <unknown_one> soulrider, run winecfg and autodetect under drives.
[08:41] <DaSkreech> rikioh: No
[08:41] <wckdkl0wn> rikioh: no
[08:41] <soulrider> but the isnatlelr is in my hard drive
[08:41] <svivian> rikioh: No. Firefox is available through the repositories
[08:41] <wckdkl0wn> rikioh: just do sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:41] <soulrider> AND i dont ahve any CD drives connected :P
[08:41] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech that's fine
[08:41] <DaSkreech> or mozillla-firefox fora better install
[08:41] <fritsch> DaSkreech: whats the difference?
[08:41] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Just open it and search for k3b and look for mp3 :)
[08:41] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: system setting -> sharing sorted samba nfs out for me without me having to read 'war & peace' :-)
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> mozilla-firefox is the old package name I wouldn't use that
[08:41] <thompa> h3sp4wn: oh, should i try 64 bit kernel also?
[08:42] <soulrider> unknown_one: i got the installer on my desktop, im running it, i just dont know where to install to
[08:42] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes i thought so, too just transitional
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> thompa: You have to build it yourself though
[08:42] <DaSkreech> fritsch: I know that firefox is the browser I think that mozilla-firefox  can change from time to time to resolve issues
[08:42] <thompa> h3sp4wn: im wondering if k7 or 64kernel or 686 are better
[08:42] <unknown_one> soulrider,  C:\program files would be fine
[08:42] <soulrider> oh ok
[08:42] <thompa> h3sp4wn:right , ok thanks
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: Let me know if you find it
[08:42] <thompa> ill wait on that for a bit then
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> thompa: k7 or build your own 64 bit kernel
[08:43] <unknown_one> soulrider, you can find your windows programs via the terminal at ~/.wine/drive_c/
[08:43] <thompa> ok
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> thompa: You will need libc6-64
[08:43] <rikioh> ok when i tried to do sudo apt-get install firefox i got this error ....  E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 resource temporarily unavailable) E; Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/). is another process using it ?
[08:43] <ranunculoid> How can I do that cli? Atp-cache -dpkg *k3b* or what?
[08:43] <alterato> TheGateKeeper: Thanks muchly for you input, I think I'll get the download started and give it a whirl next week when the kiddos are back in school :)
[08:43] <ranunculoid> DaSkreech: ^^^^
[08:43] <ranunculoid> I have to go now
[08:43] <DaSkreech> ranunculoid: apt-cache search k3b should be the same thing
[08:44] <soulrider> k, thanks!
[08:44] <DaSkreech> rikioh: Close any open package software. Aept Synaptic etc
[08:45] <unknown_one> be back later
[08:46] <TheGateKeeper> alterato: it's the one I like best, there are loads of howto's lots of community backup here and in the forums, and (k)ubuntu sorted my hardware problems where debian failed, never managed to try FC on my own pc as anaconda crashed out. Good luck hope you like it :-)
[08:46] <rikioh> dasckreech i got it to work now but even in konsole its asking me for Media change: please instert the disc labeled 'kubuntu 6.06 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060531)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[08:46] <rikioh> when i try to install firefox
[08:47] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Tad late :)
[08:47] <DaSkreech> rikioh: You need to take that out of your sources.list
[08:47] <[GuS] > rikioh,  you must delete the repository line of the CD inside /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:47] <[GuS] > and then sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <mikearthur> I've built my own linux-image, how would I build my own linux-restricted-modules?
[08:48] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech: damn that's always happening to me, can't type fast enough :-( will go in a corner and cry :-)
[08:48] <_stefan_> yow, i have a question : how can I install kubuntu 6.06 via windows?
[08:49] <[GuS] > ?
[08:49] <_stefan_> if I placed the cd in the drive and I click on start.exe it doesn't work
[08:49] <[GuS] > lol
[08:49] <_stefan_> :-)
[08:49] <[GuS] > you cant install Kubuntu via windows _stefan_ ...
[08:49] <_stefan_> normaly I can boot the cd via a floppy via bootmanager
[08:50] <_stefan_> but now it doesn't work for some reason
[08:50] <[GuS] > boot the cd _stefan_  of Kubuntu
[08:50] <TheGateKeeper> _stefan_: go into your bios and make it boot of the cd
[08:50] <[GuS] > yep, thats right.
[08:50] <[GuS] > and please read mre about Linux/kubuntu/install...
[08:50] <_stefan_> and the md5 was ok, I've burned on my other pc with k3b
[08:51] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: easiest way is to just put what you need in to /usr/src/modules (from the source packages in the repos) then when modules_image is called those modules will also get built
[08:51] <_stefan_> do you have to make your own cd to make it bootable? or is the desktop-version already bootable?
[08:51] <mikearthur> h3sp4wn: great, thanks
[08:51] <mikearthur> does modules_image create a restricted package?
[08:51] <fritsch> mikearthur: no
[08:52] <fritsch> mikearthur: ah sorry, yes
[08:52] <mikearthur> I need linux-restricted-modules to fulfill dependencies
[08:52] <mikearthur> it will, nice one
[08:52] <fritsch> mikearthur: it build the module in /usr/src/modules
[08:52] <[GuS] > _stefan_,  who says that?
[08:52] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: It will just give you deb's of the individual modules
[08:53] <_stefan_> I've read this page and saw a topic writed about "how to make your own bootcd"
[08:53] <mikearthur> ok
[08:53] <[GuS] > _stefan_, please READ... search in the Wiki for Info.... you could boot from the Kubuntu CD and install the OS...
[08:53] <_stefan_> http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/categories/4-HowTos
[08:53] <wckdkl0wn> how do i tell what my internal ip is? i know in windows i was able to do netstat but is it the same for linux?
[08:53] <_stefan_> scroll down
[08:53] <BluesKaj> Enlightenment is nice eye candy but it freezes before I can setup any apps
[08:54] <hugelmopf> what does 3.5.4 broken in dapper mean? are there any details/solutions?
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> mikearthur: for example if you install nvidia-kernel-source (can't remember the exact package name) then just un tar.gz the file in /usr/src (it will extract it to /usr/src/modules/nvidia)
[08:54] <mikearthur> nice one
[08:55] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig
[08:55] <wckdkl0wn> i know i can go into network settings to see what my ip is but how do i do it from the command line
[08:55] <wckdkl0wn> TheGateKeeper: ty but i think u meant ipconfig right?
[08:55] <dr_willis> ifconfig
[08:55] <dr_willis> or is it ipconfig :(
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> yea its ifconfig
[08:56] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: try it and see which one of us is right :-)
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> ty guys
[08:56] <wckdkl0wn> i just thought it would of made more sence as ipconfig not if config lol
[08:56] <fritsch> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig (fur sure)
[08:57] <fritsch> fritsch@dantooine:~$ whatis ifconfig
[08:57] <fritsch> ifconfig (8)         - configure a network interface
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: linux has it's own funny names for commands
[08:57] <Hawkwind> ipconfig is for Windows
[08:57] <wckdkl0wn> <-- long time windows user here lol
[08:57] <TheGateKeeper> wckdkl0wn: http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[08:59] <puttz> some one uce ventrilo 2.1.1 here ??
[09:00] <kevin> ok so i go into manage resp. under adept i delete the one for cdrom: dapper drake and when i try to install firefox i get the same message asking me to insert dapper drake cd... i go back to manage resp. and the same thing that i just deleted is back there
[09:00] <Guest639> Hi
[09:01] <soulrider> instead of uninstalling, can i just delete everything? i wine that is
[09:02] <DaSkreech> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig
[09:02] <_stefan_> Can't you boot from a cdrw?
[09:02] <_stefan_> is that the reason?
[09:03] <rikioh> does anyone have any other tips for me to get firefox installed cuz no matter how many times i delete the resp. for cdrom: kubuntu dapper drake, when i go to install firefox it still asks me to insert the cd... and under manage resp. its magically back
[09:03] <soulrider> how about get Opera
[09:03] <soulrider> its better than FF :P
[09:03] <Skrot> Is opera in kubuntu resp. now?
[09:04] <illness> can anybody recommend a good torrent program? Ktorrent seems a bit slow...
[09:04] <_stefan_> http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/archives/92-Setting-up-Firefox-IV-and-V.html for rikioh
[09:04] <gekko`> illness: bittornado
[09:04] <Skrot> illness: azureus (java) or bittornado (curses or gtk frontend afaik)
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> wckdkl0wn: ifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127
[09:04] <gnomefreak> Skrot: only in the commercial repo
[09:04] <illness> thnx ill check em out
[09:05] <Skrot> gnomefreak: is that an additional repo or just add a line to existing mirrors?
[09:05] <wolfmanz> how do you tell the current KDE version you have?
[09:05] <sysrpl> hello
[09:05] <wckdkl0wn> h3sp4wn: whats that gonna do>?
[09:05] <sysrpl> if i type sudo <some command> and get he password wrong three times in a row, how to i reset it so i can use sudo again, because it's locked me out of the sudo command?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Skrot: open add/remove in the menu and choose the box on right (i think it says commercial)
[09:05] <rikioh> wow that looks like it will take an hour to do... just to get firefox rofl well here goes nothing
[09:05] <gnomefreak> oh wait
[09:05] <gnomefreak> Skrot: hold on ill get you the link (forgot kde)
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> wckdkl0wn: Give you your ip
[09:06] <Skrot> gnomefreak: okey ;)
[09:06] <wckdkl0wn> ah i c
[09:06] <gnomefreak> Skrot: http://www.buntudot.org/howtos/canonical-repositories/
[09:07] <Skrot> Great. Thanks :)
[09:07] <sysrpl> i screwed up
[09:08] <sysrpl> i typed the sudo password wong three times
[09:08] <sysrpl> how do i reset my password attempt count?
[09:09] <wolfmanz> how do you tell the current KDE version i have?
[09:09] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:09] <dr_willis> run a kde app - look in the help menu/about
[09:09] <sorush20> how do I get kubuntu to redetec all my usb devices?
[09:09] <gekko`> wolfmanz: kdesktop -v
[09:09] <sysrpl> how do i reset my password attempt count?
[09:09] <sorush20> I have a usb headset but it is not being detected..
[09:09] <TheGateKeeper> h3sp4wn: bash script language and regular expressions? ---> ifconfig $1 | awk '/inet addr/ {printf "%s\n", substr($2,6)}' | grep -v ^127
[09:10] <wolfmanz> thanks
[09:11] <Surger> Is it really neccessary to do a : apt-get update and apt-get upgrade BEFORE doing a distro upgrade? I want to go from Breezy to Dapper but on dialup doing a Breezy upgrade first hurts.
[09:11] <sysrpl> i screwed up at the console typing the wrong su password 3 times in a row .. now with my user account i can't execute su command ... how do i reset the password attempt count?
[09:11] <svivian> So, having just rebooted because my screensaver activated, and when I unlocked my machine the cursor was gone...How do I keep from losing my cursor when exiting the screensaver?
[09:13] <sysrpl> i screwed up at the console typing the wrong su password 3 times in a row .. now with my user account i can't execute su command ... how do i reset the password attempt count?
[09:14] <svivian> sysrpl: did you reboot?
[09:14] <sysrpl> not yet
[09:14] <DaSkreech> !help
[09:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[09:14] <sysrpl> i am running ubuntu through vmware
[09:15] <DaSkreech> !lang
[09:15] <ubotu> I know nothing about lang - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:15] <TheGateKeeper> Surger: getting your hands on the alternative CD might be a better bet if you can. Edgy is due out in october, as you only have a dial up may be you wait, and upgrade straight to edgy if that is possible, and I presume it will be
[09:15] <gekko`> sysrpl: maybe set the passwd_tries to 4 in /etc/sudoers file
[09:15] <Surger> TheGateKeeper: Ok thanks
[09:15] <svivian> gekko`: I think sysrpl means he is currently locked out of su, and needs to find out how to unlock
[09:16] <svivian> sysrpl: If you can't reboot from the command line, I'd say pull the plug, restart, and see if it lets you in then
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> TheGateKeeper: I wouldn't say its bash specific afaik (I use zsh)
[09:16] <svivian> sysrpl: If you can't reboot from the command line, I'd say pull the plug, restart, and see if it lets you in then
[09:16] <svivian> So, having just rebooted because my screensaver activated, and when I unlocked my machine the cursor was gone...How do I keep from losing my cursor when exiting the screensaver?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> anyone have a stock kde version on dapper?
[09:20] <gnomefreak> !info k3b
[09:20] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:20] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[09:21] <Martijn81> nope, 3.5.3 here
[09:21] <kosh> heh mine is about as far from stock as you can get
[09:21] <gnomefreak> what version is in dapper?
[09:21] <crimsun> !info k3b dapper
[09:21] <gnomefreak> i thought it was 3.5.3
[09:21] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:21] <Martijn81> i believe 3.5.2, but i might be wrong
[09:22] <crimsun> !info konqueror dapper
[09:22] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In repository main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 1911 kB, installed size 5168 kB
[09:22] <gnomefreak> crimsun: im thinking its .12.16
[09:22] <kosh> 0.12.14-0ubuntu7
[09:22] <kosh> for k3b
[09:22] <crimsun> edgy> 0.12.16-1ubuntu1
[09:22] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:23] <gnomefreak> ok thats what im thinking of
[09:24] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[09:26] <crazy_penguin> hi all!
[09:26] <rikioh> ok so i followed those instructions on getting firefox installed i downloaded the tars extracted them and suck
[09:27] <rikioh> such
[09:27] <rikioh> im at the end of the reading and i dont know where to find my firefox now :)\
[09:27] <crimsun> rikioh: was ``sudo apt-get install firefox'' not simple enough for you?
[09:27] <kosh> isn't firefox install by default?
[09:27] <rikioh> no i cant do that crimsun cuz it asks me for dapper cd
[09:27] <uniq> kosh: not on kubuntu i belive.
[09:28] <raphink> no kosh, not on kubuntu
[09:28] <crimsun> rikioh: you can just comment that first deb-cdrom line out.
[09:28] <raphink> thankfully
[09:28] <raphink> :)
[09:28] <rikioh> when i do it just keeps coming back
[09:28] <rikioh> well what do you mean comment it out?
[09:28] <raphink> rikioh: did you apt-get update ?
[09:28] <rikioh> i just tried removing it
[09:28] <raphink> after commenting out/removing the line
[09:28] <raphink> rikioh: yes
[09:29] <raphink> and then save your sources.list
[09:29] <raphink> and then run "sudo apt-get update"
[09:29] <raphink> otherwise the changes won't be taken in consideration
[09:31] <mikearthur> how do I check which minor kernel version used by linux-source?
[09:31] <raphink> uname -a
[09:31] <rikioh> ok raphink i got the light weight web browser installed
[09:32] <rikioh> now where will it be
[09:32] <rikioh> ?
[09:32] <junx> alright, I did something very stupid and tried out KDE 3.5.4
[09:32] <raphink> rikioh: do you mean firefox????????
[09:32] <rikioh> yes
[09:32] <rikioh> firefox light weight webbrowse
[09:32] <junx> but there are NO damn details about why the hell kubuntu-default-settings fucks up
[09:32] <Martijn81> rikioh: alt+F2 and hit firefox
[09:32] <raphink> I don't know a browser that is _less_ light weight than firefox
[09:32] <raphink> lol
[09:32] <junx> what happened?
[09:32] <raphink> if you want a light weight browser, try link2 -g
[09:32] <raphink> :)
[09:32] <Hawkwind> junx: Try to watch the language.  Did you use Riddell's repo for 3.5.4 ?
[09:32] <Martijn81> rikioh: or K-menu->Internet
[09:32] <junx> oh yeah, sorry
[09:32] <Riddell> junx: I don't have any details, if I did I'd fix it
[09:33] <rikioh> cool cool
[09:33] <rikioh> ty
[09:33] <kosh> hmm opera and konqueror are both far lighter weight then firefox is
[09:33] <junx> I'm just frustrated because this is like the tenth time apt's lack of rolling back ability has screwed me
[09:33] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor?
[09:33] <kosh> because of firefox's brain dead caching methods
[09:33] <raphink> yes kosh totally agreed
[09:33] <raphink> and more powerful, too
[09:33] <uniq> junx: I can help you rollback if you want.
[09:33] <junx> oh good, you were able to help last time
[09:33] <raphink> firefox doesn't do a half of what konqueror does
[09:33] <raphink> still konqueror is faster
[09:33] <Skrot> Anyone know how to start the katapult config dialog? I haven't got katapult in the systray
[09:34] <junx> Skrot: alt+space, then ctrl+c
[09:34] <Skrot> Thanks :)
[09:34] <TheGateKeeper> Skrot: right click -> restore may be ???
[09:34] <junx> uniq: how would I go about rolling back to KDE 3.5.3?
[09:34] <raphink> junx: you can't easily
[09:34] <uniq> raphink: sure you can.
[09:35] <raphink> junx: you have to deinstall kde and reinstall it
[09:35] <uniq> junx: did you get it from kubuntu.org ?
[09:35] <junx> uniq: yes
[09:35] <raphink> after removing the kde 3.5.4 repo from your sources.list
[09:35] <uniq> junx: ok, don't remove the repo from sources.list.
[09:35] <raphink> uniq: I didn't say you can't, I said not easily ;)
[09:35] <uniq> raphink: adding 6 lines to /etc/apt/preferences and apt-get dist-upgrade is pretty easy. :)
[09:35] <junx> oh right
[09:36] <raphink> ah sure that's a way uniq
[09:36] <mani_> hi all !
[09:36] <raphink> hi mani_
[09:36] <mani_> im trying to get my ssh daemon working... and its been two days and im not getting anywhere
[09:36] <mani_> i have kubuntu on my laptop
[09:36] <dr_willis> mani_,  gesh - thats like a 20 sec job. :P
[09:37] <raphink> mani_: what's the problem?
[09:37] <raphink> sshd works great with a default install
[09:37] <mani_> this is my setup:
[09:37] <mani_> i have my laptop running kubuntu
[09:37] <mani_> and my wife's laptop running mepis
[09:37] <junx> alright, uniq, what's next?
[09:37] <mani_> my ip addres is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:37] <mani_> and my wife's is <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:37] <raphink> 192 I guess, not 182
[09:37] <mani_> yes. sorry.
[09:37] <raphink> ok
[09:38] <mani_> i need to copy some from files from one laptop to another
[09:38] <raphink> can you ping a computer from the other one?
[09:38] <mani_> yes...
[09:38] <mani_> it pings fine both ways
[09:38] <raphink> did you install the openssh server ?
[09:38] <junx> do you have openssh-server installed?
[09:38] <raphink> junx: ;)
[09:38] <junx> raphink: :)
[09:38] <uniq> junx: ok.. open /etc/apt/preferences in a editor.
[09:39] <|lostbyte|> Any way to free up unused memory space ?
[09:39] <junx> uh huh
[09:39] <TheGateKeeper> mani_: raphink use NFS System Settings -> sharring
[09:39] <uniq> junx: if you just wait a minute i can make the file for you so you simply can download it.
[09:39] <raphink> TheGateKeeper: that's a way indeed, but that requires to install NFS ;)
[09:39] <raphink> just moving the problem
[09:39] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  linux is very good at doing that as needed.
[09:39] <junx> I've done this before, but I don't remember what to put
[09:39] <junx> but alright, I'll wait
[09:40] <dr_willis> kde has that ssh: file system interface I thought - tht would let ya drag/drop files.
[09:40] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, Cool ! so how, do i go about doing that.
[09:40] <mikearthur> 2.6.17-5.16 = kernel source <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:40] <raphink> mani_: do you have a reason to want ssh in particular, or do you only want any kind of file sharing?
[09:40] <|lostbyte|> I am talking about the RAM.
[09:40] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor?
[09:40] <junx> fish://site/
[09:40] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  you DONT do anything..  the OS is very smart about how it allocates ram. No need to mess with it.
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> shfs is pretty good (don't know why so few people use it)
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, But i think my box is getting old. cause it does'nt disallocate when a program is called.
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> What could be doing this..
[09:41] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: The more that is used the faster your system will run.  It caches things and keeps them cached and then frees up RAM as it might need it for something new
[09:41] <uniq> junx: what ubuntu mirror do you use?
[09:41] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: Could be bad RAm ?
[09:41] <junx> ftp.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  could be the program has a bug/memory leak. depends on the program.. or you are confused as to how you are reading the memory used info.
[09:41] <uniq> junx: archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:41] <|lostbyte|> Example, i run a couple of program and later close them, after some time i get very less memeory space free. and X crashes, if i open any more programs..
[09:41] <mani_> hi junx... how to i install openssh-server? do i user adept ?
[09:42] <junx> no, just ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/
[09:42] <uniq> junx: in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:42] <mikearthur> 2.6.17-5.16 = kernel source <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:42] <raphink> mani_: you can use adept
[09:42] <fritsch> mani_: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:42] <junx> mani_: you should be able to find it in adept
[09:42] <raphink> mani_: or just type "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[09:42] <raphink> no fritsch
[09:42] <junx> uniq: yes, ftp.ubuntu.com
[09:42] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  that sounds like either a nasty leak.. or some bad ram.
[09:42] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, Ram is good, Did a ram check from the BIOS and things were ok.
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: ssh is the transitional package
[09:42] <raphink> ah right sorry fritsch
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: it installs the same
[09:42] <raphink> yes you are right sorry
[09:42] <raphink> :)
[09:42] <raphink> it depends on both the client and server :)
[09:42] <dr_willis> do a ram check from that GRUB memcheck option an dlet it run over night.
[09:42] <fritsch> raphink: less long word, less chance to make a type
[09:43] <uniq> junx: ok.
[09:43] <fritsch> raphink: typo
[09:43] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, NAsty Leak ! Where could i learn more ?
[09:43] <raphink> sure fritsch :)
[09:43] <fritsch> raphink: yes, you are right, but ssh ist installed by default ... so no problem
[09:43] <raphink> mani_: do as fritsh said : install the ssh package
[09:43] <Hawkwind> |lostbyte|: I'd run memtest for about 12 hours to see if your RAM is really good or not
[09:43] <|lostbyte|> :P
[09:43] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  if  you are just using the normal ubuntu programs, i doubt if theres much of leak.. try doing some things from the console and see if they hallen with every program.
[09:44] <mani_> hi junx... no luck... i search for "openssh" in adept, but it keeps saying no results
[09:44] <junx> anyways, what's wrong with 3.5.4?
[09:44] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, will keep it on list "THings to do, tonight" tx
[09:44] <junx> mani_: try "ssh"
[09:44] <raphink> mani_: install "ssh"
[09:45] <mani_> still nothing
[09:45] <raphink> that can't be mani
[09:45] <raphink> ssh is in main
[09:45] <mani_> i have checked the options unsupported as well as prop s/w
[09:45] <raphink> so t has to be in adept
[09:45] <raphink> mani_: just type "sudo apt-get install ssh" in a console
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> dr_willis, Yup ! all mu program are from the repos, except google_earth. which i never used for a long time.. I'll google a bit on that "Memory Leak Phenomenon" tx
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> my*
[09:46] <dr_willis> |lostbyte|,  if EVERY program is leaking memory or somthing... you got some other issue. :P
[09:46] <hub> hi
[09:46] <|lostbyte|> ok !
[09:46] <hub> how do I get MP3 playback in Amarok?
[09:46] <hub> it is using the xine engine
[09:46] <hub> RB works fine with gstreamer
[09:46] <junx> hub: install libxine-extracodecs
[09:47] <Hawkwind> !mp3 > hub
[09:47] <hub> ah
[09:47] <fritsch> Hawkwind: thx
[09:47] <junx> or that
[09:47] <hub> junx: that could be it
[09:47] <hub> Hawkwind: what?
[09:47] <Hawkwind> hub: Read what the bot sent you, assuming you are a registered user and identified with nickserv
[09:47] <hub> junx: was missing. thanks
[09:47] <junx> k
[09:47] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: the bot sends to everyone
[09:48] <gnomefreak> as long as the nick is int he channel
[09:48] <hub> Hawkwind: RTFM it is called.
[09:48] <hub> Hawkwind: but if amarok had used gstreamer...
[09:48] <junx> you know what works better than a bot? a website! (bots should be banned from freenode, but that's just my opinion)
[09:48] <Hawkwind> hub: You won't ever see me say RTFM
[09:48] <kosh> if amarok has used gstreamer far more people would not have used it
[09:49] <fritsch> kosh: :-)
[09:49] <hub> wiki.kubuntu.com wasn't helpful
[09:49] <junx> gst still can't do gapless playback
[09:49] <kosh> gst has problems with more then two speakers
[09:49] <hub> yeah works
[09:49] <fritsch> hub: then you did not look right, search for restrictedformats
[09:49] <kosh> xine doesn't
[09:49] <|lostbyte|> Hawkwind, dr_willis Got something, Everytime i change my wallpaper, 20 MB of my memory is allocated some where ! happens for every wallpaper..
[09:49] <hub> fritsch: I look for mp3
[09:49] <gnomefreak> !restricted
[09:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:49] <gnomefreak> hub look at wha thte bot posted
[09:49] <hub> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=mp3&titlesearch=Titles
[09:49] <hub> gnomefreak: it is solved
[09:49] <hub> thanks guys
[09:50] <fritsch> kosh: i tried it long, long time ago, when gnome was so nice not to let you print odd and even pages, because of the poor user ...
[09:50] <mani_> im getting an error msg when i try to do a apt-get install ssh:
[09:50] <TheGateKeeper> hub: you know about w32codecs too?
[09:50] <fritsch> mani_: what does it say?
[09:50] <kosh> all of these "make things easy" that gnome is going for only seem that way until you deviate outside their default setup
[09:50] <junx> mani_: did you sudo?
[09:50] <mani_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:50] <junx> oh
[09:50] <junx> close adept
[09:50] <Hawkwind> junx: uniq must be writing a book for you on rolling back your KDE :P
[09:50] <kosh> run a quad screen setup, 7.1 sound etc and then find out how nice and easy gnome is to work with
[09:50] <mani_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:51] <junx> Hawkwind: probably
[09:51] <fritsch> mani_: close adept
[09:51] <mani_> oh.. ok...
[09:51] <junx> although we've gone through this process before when I installed edgy by accident
[09:51] <mani_> let me try again
[09:51] <Hawkwind> junx: But as long as it works, it doesn't matter :)
[09:51] <fritsch> junx: lol
[09:52] <DaSkreech> junx: If we just used a website there would be no need for IRC :)
[09:52] <junx> for an FAQ
[09:52] <mani_> done. it is installed. should i do ssh from my wife's laptop now ?
[09:52] <junx> instead of issuing the bot command, you just paste the link
[09:53] <junx> mani_: yeah
[09:53] <raphink> you can do it now mani_
[09:53] <fritsch> mani_: yes
[09:53] <hub> TheGateKeeper: yeah, but I don't care for these
[09:53] <fritsch> junx: youre a lot faster
[09:53] <BluesKaj> hey Hawkwind ..got E17 installed but it freezes when trying to set a new background  :(
[09:53] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:53] <junx> fritsch: indeed
[09:53] <fritsch> junx: okay, i try harder
[09:53] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: How are you trying to set a background ?
[09:53] <hub> TheGateKeeper: it was just the matter of figuring out wich package did xine want
[09:53] <junx> fritsch: remember tab completion! :)
[09:53] <steve> mani: unable to lock /var/lib/dpkg often means you are trying to run the command as a normal user
[09:53] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: You have to make sure the background files are .edj files, not .png or .jpg or anything like that
[09:53] <TheGateKeeper> hub: ok :-)
[09:54] <raphink> no steve, it means another process is using it
[09:54] <junx> steve: or you're running a program that utilises dpkg
[09:54] <raphink> steve: in that case it means adept was using it
[09:54] <gnagno> hello all :)
[09:54] <junx> a combination of those 3 messages
[09:54] <raphink> could have been another apt-get using it at the same time
[09:54] <fritsch> raphink: you can look with lsof or fuser
[09:54] <raphink> hi gnagno
[09:54] <mani_> steve, i was having adept open
[09:54] <mani_> the problem is now solved
[09:55] <steve> mani: er, wrong guess
[09:55] <fritsch> mani_: we thougt so
[09:55] <steve> oops
[09:55] <raphink> mhm
[09:55] <mani_> i am able to connect from y wife's laptop and browse through the files in my hard disk
[09:55] <mani_> i guess i will use sftp to copy the files
[09:55] <fritsch> mani_: juhu
[09:55] <junx> I'm still waiting for a good compiz-kde
[09:55] <junx> mani_: you can just use scp
[09:55] <mani_> is there any GUI tool for this
[09:55] <junx> works like cp
[09:55] <raphink> mani_: you can use sftp or fish with konqueror
[09:55] <raphink> mani_: or you can use scp
[09:55] <gnagno> junx I am using compiz-kde right now
[09:55] <raphink> junx: ;)
[09:55] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, well I have this beautiful pic that my daughter took in prague ans I use it as my background Kubuntu and windows and I'd like to use it with Enlightenment as well
[09:56] <raphink> mani_: type fish://<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:56] <junx> gnagno: I heard that was pretty unstable, and I couldn't get it working, so I just assumed
[09:56] <mani_> raphink, my wife's laptop is running mepis
[09:56] <raphink> or 2
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Then you need to make an .edj file of it
[09:56] <raphink> depending on what you want to use
[09:56] <raphink> mani_: in konqueror
[09:56] <raphink> that'll give you a gui
[09:56] <SeanTater> mani_: sftp://<IP_ADDRESS> works better
[09:56] <BluesKaj> ok , that's new to me
[09:56] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: e17setroot -s /full/path/to/file.jpg
[09:56] <raphink> then you can right clic on the status bar on the bottom of the konqueror window and split the window
[09:56] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Replace file.jpg with the file name.  But you must use the full path to the image
[09:56] <raphink> so you can have your local files
[09:56] <gnagno> junx: I didn't have any crash in the last 4 days of testing with it.... it is very stable and reliable on my computer (and I have to say even very fast)
[09:56] <raphink> in the same window
[09:57] <raphink> SeanTater: how so?
[09:57] <BluesKaj> OK
[09:57] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: It will then create an .edj file which will be placed in your ~/.e/e/backgrounds directory
[09:57] <junx> there just isn't enough KDE love nowadays
[09:57] <SeanTater> raphink: it does not require the use of bash or perl, just c
[09:57] <SeanTater> raphink: c is a tad fastar than either
[09:57] <raphink> SeanTater: makes sense :)
[09:57] <raphink> yep
[09:57] <DaSkreech> junx: Sometimes there are a lot of URLS and people get Busy and tired. Bots always remember
[09:58] <SeanTater> raphink: most sshd installations come with it, to my knowledge, none come without it
[09:58] <raphink> sure SeanTater
[09:58] <junx> DaSkreech: bots can also be annoying when every question you ask is answered by a damn bot
[09:58] <raphink> and even some ssh servers have ssh login disabled so you can't use fish, but they keep sftp enabled, so you can transfer files safely
[09:58] <junx> or if you say something you shouldn't, worse than getting flamed, you get annoyed by a damn bot
[09:58] <junx> raphink: or if you can't use sftp, you can use scp or rsync
[09:59] <raphink> yes
[09:59] <KaiHanari> what would be the easiest language to run unix commands and capture their output for use in webpages?
[09:59] <fritsch> KaiHanari: per?
[09:59] <mani_> junx, raphink, thanks for the all help :)
[09:59] <junx> KaiHanari: you could do that in almost any language
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> mani_: Use shfs its transparant and works really well
[09:59] <junx> PHP would work
[10:00] <DaSkreech> junx: The bot only responds if you speak to it
[10:00] <junx> mani_: no prob
[10:00] <DaSkreech> junx: It's not admin
[10:00] <mani_> one more question
[10:00] <KaiHanari> junx, i didnt ask what can do it, i asked the easiest
[10:00] <KaiHanari> fritsch, perl is probably right
[10:00] <gnagno> does anyone know about the message waiting for headers on apt-get update?
[10:00] <KaiHanari> i have a huge book and never bothered to use it
[10:00] <mani_> how can i configure firewall settings in my kubuntu
[10:00] <raphink> KaiHanari: python is good for this
[10:00] <fritsch> mani_: there are none
[10:00] <raphink> perl, too
[10:00] <junx> DaSkreech: when the users in the channel abuse the crap out of the bot *cough##phpcough*, it gets annoying
[10:00] <KaiHanari> im looking for the EASIEST
[10:00] <fritsch> mani_: ubuntu comes with no port open
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: hehe, you could do a cron job, creating files in your public_html
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: but that`s probably not "time near"
[10:01] <DaSkreech> junx: That's what admin is for :-)
[10:01] <KaiHanari> fritsch, no, i want to also run commands from pushbuttons on a page
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> KariHanari: You could use haserl (for embedding shell into http documents) but I would use perl
[10:01] <fritsch> KaiHanari: okay, but be careful
[10:01] <junx> and when the admin bans you for some random reason?
[10:01] <raphink> KaiHanari: this is potentially a security hole
[10:01] <junx> I'll admit that all my annoyances are with ##php, but it still stands as an argument :p
[10:02] <raphink> KaiHanari: as h3sp4wn and others suggested, you can just have perl scripts called by HTML forms
[10:02] <uniq> junx: sorry. had to talk to my girlfriend. Now. Add this to /etc/apt/preferences,  \n is new line: Package: * \n Pin: origin ftp.ubuntu.com \n Pin-Priority: 1001 \n Package: * \n Pin: origin kubuntu.org \n Pin-Priority: -100 \n
[10:02] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[10:03] <uniq> junx: now, save and exit and do: 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade'
[10:03] <KaiHanari> raphink, its on a server only accessable locally on the business network, the page would be password protected, and the other access to the http server is via ssh tunnel, which is completely private to my system.. remote admin +no ports forwarded
[10:03] <junx> aight, thanks
[10:03] <KaiHanari> no security holes for me :)
[10:03] <KaiHanari> raphink, ya, ok... perl it is then... ive got some learning to do...
[10:04] <raphink> KaiHanari: bash would b efine, too, or python, or just anything ;)
[10:04] <raphink> if you prefer another language
[10:04] <raphink> but perl and python are easier to interface with html
[10:04] <KaiHanari> bash can do it?!
[10:04] <KaiHanari> how?
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> haserl
[10:04] <raphink> KaiHanari: just as any other language can
[10:04] <Hawkwind> uniq: Doing that will roll back from KDE 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 and not break anything ?
[10:04] <brutopia> how can I disable that bouncing busy icon in kubuntu
[10:05] <raphink> boucing busy icon?
[10:05] <TheGateKeeper> uniq: worth putting in the howto's in ubuntu forum?
[10:05] <fritsch> Hawkwind: you could also remove every 3.5.4 package
[10:05] <KaiHanari> raphink, ok.. know any sites? im googling now....
[10:05] <uniq> Hawkwind: will roll back to the default in the real archives.
[10:05] <brutopia> when you start some program it's icon bounces beside cursor
[10:05] <uniq> TheGateKeeper: feel free.
[10:05] <fritsch> Hawkwind: after that change sources list to 353 and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:05] <raphink> ah right
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> KaiHanari: use haserl and awk for generating the html
[10:05] <uniq> Hawkwind: it will prioritize ftp.ubuntu.com over kubuntu.org and force downgrades if needed.
[10:06] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: haserl, hehe in germany it`s little rabbit in bavarian dialect
[10:06] <junx> odd, why does this downgrade things like mysql?
[10:06] <mani_> brutopia, but the bouncing icons are cute !
[10:06] <fritsch> uniq: mmmh kde 3.5.4 are from kubuntu.org, too
[10:06] <fritsch> uniq: so perhaps no luck?
[10:06] <junx> oh snap
[10:06] <raphink> brutopia: somewhere in systemsetings, don't remember where
[10:06] <junx> can't prioritise ubuntu over dotdeb
[10:07] <uniq> junx: if you have other special cases those have to be pinned too.
[10:07] <h3sp4wn> fritsch: I have only briefly messed with it but you can do dynamic html using awk and haserl (But I still think perl is alot easier)
[10:07] <junx> uniq: right, now I noticed that
[10:07] <Firetech> brutopia: system settings > Panel > Launch feedback
[10:07] <DaSkreech> junx: Well see if how this channel is run allays any biais fears you may have
[10:08] <fritsch> junx: downgraded yesterday, in the way i said above
[10:08] <brutopia> Firetech: thanks
[10:09] <junx> alright, this seems to be working, thanks uniq
[10:09] <uniq> fritsch: downgrading from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 directly both from kubuntu.org can also be done. But I would think downgrading to 3.5.2 and if desired upgrade to 3.5.3 is the best way.. atleast teh easiest imho.
[10:09] <uniq> junx: remember to remove /etc/apt/preferences and do a new dist-upgrade when done.
[10:09] <Skeez187> *skeez*
[10:09] <junx> k
[10:09] <SeanTater> is 3.5.4 actually in main or universe, or is it elsewher, I thought of upgrading today until I noticed the topic..
[10:10] <fritsch> uniq: okay
[10:10] <junx> SeanTater: it's on kubuntu.org/packages/
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Its on kubuntu.org
[10:10] <SeanTater> junx: okay
[10:10] <junx> tip: don't upgrade to 3.5.4, go with 3.5.3
[10:10] <Martijn81> SeanTater:but read the readme first
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> Is it possible to remove the kubuntu customisations and just get a standard version of kde
[10:10] <junx> or "kde-latest"
[10:10] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: yes ;-)
[10:11] <uniq> junx: remember to remove kde 3.5.4 from sources.list before the last dist-upgrade.. you don't want it back :)
[10:11] <fritsch> h3sp4wn: if you install kde 3.5.4 all kubuntu customatzations are gone (by accident)
[10:11] <junx> right right, already did that
[10:11] <junx> fritsch: does anyone know why?
[10:11] <fritsch> junx: no, tried to find out the last 2 days
[10:12] <junx> are you the maintainer of kubuntu.org/packages/?
[10:12] <uniq> h3sp4wn: you can remove kubuntu-default-settings.
[10:12] <fritsch> junx: no
[10:12] <junx> who is?
[10:12] <raphink> junx: I am, for ex ;)
[10:12] <fritsch> junx: Riddell
[10:12] <raphink> and riddell of course :)
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Will that make system settings just be the standard kcontrol ?
[10:12] <DaSkreech> HeeHee
[10:12] <junx> so, do you know why kubuntu-default-settings isn't working?
[10:12] <uniq> h3sp4wn: don't know.
[10:12] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You have standard kcontrol
[10:12] <raphink> haven't been looking lately junx
[10:13] <junx> or why when I go to system settings -> appearance, it crashes?
[10:13] <raphink> you should ask on #kubuntu-devel junx
[10:13] <fritsch> raphink: could you do?
[10:13] <raphink> fritsch: don't have much time for that lately
[10:13] <junx> ah
[10:13] <raphink> :(
[10:13] <raphink> junx:  are you having problems in edgy or with kde 3.5.4 on dapper?
[10:13] <crazy_penguin> so it's not a good ideea to upgrade to kde 3.5.4?
[10:13] <junx> raphink: dapper
[10:14] <raphink> k
[10:14] <raphink> and what are the symptoms?
[10:14] <uniq> crazy_penguin: works fine on edgy.
[10:14] <fritsch> raphink: straced nearly every k**stuff, ksmserver, startkde, etc.
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: I just don't like most of the customisations - I think a clean (i.e fast) version of kde would be better
[10:14] <crazy_penguin> but on dapper?
[10:14] <junx> besides kubuntu-default-settings not working?
[10:14] <fritsch> raphink: what is written in the readme of the riddell packages, this is the problem
[10:14] <fritsch> junx: fount nothing else
[10:14] <junx> other than that, it screws up some of my own settings that way
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> crazy_penguin: If you are not bothered about the kubuntu customisations then they are fine
[10:14] <fritsch> junx: yes, because you had kubuntu-default stuff before
[10:15] <junx> when I went to system settings -> appearance, it crashed (SEGV IIRC)
[10:15] <raphink> no, what's the problem with kubuntu-default-settings junx?
[10:15] <junx> it doesn't apply at all
[10:15] <raphink> what do you get?
[10:15] <fritsch> raphink: you can preview it in style dialog, but its not used
[10:15] <junx> so you get a hodge-podge of your own ~/.kde/share/ stuff with the default KDE settings, and it's all messed up
[10:15] <fritsch> raphink: you get a standard kde
[10:15] <spiral> hello
[10:15] <raphink> hmm
[10:16] <raphink> haven't got a dapper station to try it on
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: i recompiled the default-settings, even compiled the edgy on dapper
[10:16] <DaSkreech> spiral: Yo
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: no chance
[10:16] <junx> I copied over everything from kubuntu-default-settings/.../share to /usr/share, so that might help for now
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> what is the version of kopete in 3.5.4?
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: i think some libs are messed up
[10:16] <svivian> how do I keep xscreensaver from killing my mouse cursor? Anyone? Anyone?
[10:16] <fritsch> crazy_penguin: 0.12.1
[10:16] <junx> and since kubuntu-default-settings should theoretically override everything in /usr/share...
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> oh
[10:16] <crazy_penguin> thx
[10:16] <fritsch> junx: no it doesnt
[10:16] <raphink> fritsch: but the package does install? oor what does it say?
[10:16] <fritsch> raphink: everything installs cleanly
[10:17] <raphink> ah right
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: but you cannot use the "crystal" style, etc.
[10:17] <uniq> junx: in stead of copying over stuff you can set $KDEDIRS to where the settings are.. I think that could help you.. You can try. I don't have dapper here.
[10:17] <raphink> it must be the /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings patch that doesn't apply for some reason
[10:17] <junx> is edgy usable now?
[10:17] <junx> i.e. no more locale errors
[10:17] <uniq> fritsch: can you try that too? set KDEDIRS to where the kubuntu-default-settings are?
[10:17] <raphink> junx: no it's not
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: for sure? kde-default-settings package did not change in 3.5.4
[10:17] <fritsch> raphink: and edgy is working
[10:17] <raphink> sure fritsch but this patch is not in kubuntu-default-settings
[10:18] <raphink> fritsch: edgy might break anytime since it's actively developer
[10:18] <raphink> developed
[10:18] <raphink> so I don't advise anyone to use it
[10:18] <fritsch> raphink: i use now the default dapper one
[10:18] <fritsch> raphink: had no luck with both
[10:18] <gnagno> I have a problem with apt-get update, it stops on waiting for headers 99% and never ends... can someone please help me?
[10:20] <pointwood> any sound guru's around?
[10:20] <Blissex> gnagno: probably some mirror is down...
[10:20] <jeremia> hi!
[10:22] <jeremia> i had problems whith glut and remarked, that i have glut and freeglut(-dev) isntalled, so i wanted to remove glut. i had forgotten that many packets depend on glut (also importatn-ones). is it possible to check, which programs had been removed or are marked to be removed?
[10:22] <Firetech> gnagno: almost same here, although it does end, have patience...
[10:22] <gnagno> thanks :)
[10:23] <DaSkreech> pointwood: Guess not what's the question?
[10:23] <Firetech> yay, I found a good way to0 downgrade 3.5.4 to 3.5.3 directly
[10:23] <Firetech> easy one too :)
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> using -t ?
[10:24] <pointwood> DaSkreech: well, I got no sound, I tried following this problem guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[10:24] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: -t?
[10:25] <pointwood> DaSkreech: I upgraded from breezy the other day and I have had sound before, but I get absolutely nothing now
[10:26] <DaSkreech> pointwood: I take it you went through the walkthrough
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: You can use it to specify different repos to install from (I suppose sudo aptitude purge kde~i and then put it all back would work also)
[10:26] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes
[10:26] <bl3ssing> hello everyone. What was that page with upgrading from kubuntu 5.10 to 6.?
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Where did it fail for you?
[10:27] <bl3ssing> !kubuntu upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about kubuntu upgrade - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:27] <bl3ssing> !ubuntu upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> I know nothing about ubuntu upgrade - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:27] <pointwood> DaSkreech: that's the problem, according to that guide, it should work
[10:27] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[10:27] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:27] <Hawkwind> uniq: So before the sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade is when we need to remove the source from the sources.list ?
[10:27] <KaiHanari> just a sec bl3ssing
[10:27] <DaSkreech> pointwood: And you have the speakers on?
[10:27] <Firetech> h3sp4wn: I added a pin priority for kubuntu.org and changed the 354 repo back to 353
[10:28] <KaiHanari> nvm,
[10:28] <bl3ssing> lol KaiHanari
[10:28] <bl3ssing> :)
[10:28] <pointwood> DaSkreech: yes, I have rebooted into windows and tested that I did in fact have sound...
[10:28] <Firetech> then dist-upgrade wants to downgrade
[10:28] <uniq> Hawkwind: after the downgrade dist-upgrade is done.
[10:28] <lmosher> Is it possible to use apt-get --build to install from source, but apply a patch first?
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> Firetech: 1001 is usually high enough for it to force a downgrade - yes that is another way
[10:28] <DaSkreech> pointwood: You made sure it wasn't just turned down or muted?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> I nlinux
[10:29] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ah ok.  So after that apt-get -u dist-upgrade, remove the source, then apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:30] <junx> does anyone here keep their /etc under version control?
[10:30] <pointwood> DaSkreech: I think so :) I turned on everything in alsamixer
[10:30] <rainbow> Hi!
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: use dpkg-buildpackage to build it (dpatch-edit-patch is the easiest way to add patches to existing source)
[10:30] <uniq> Hawkwind: edit /etc/apt/preferences;dist-upgrade(downgrade);remove /etc/apt/preferences;remove repo from sources.list;dist-upgrade to make sure you have the newest version of everything.
[10:30] <bl3ssing> I tried this command for upgrading from kub.5 to 6, and ... here's the pb. kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:30] <bl3ssing> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:30] <bl3ssing> why that?
[10:30] <rainbow>  Hello I am facing aproblem installing my Nvidia drive
[10:30] <pointwood> hrm....wait, I just tried playing some music with mplayer and it says this:
[10:30] <pointwood> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[10:30] <pointwood> Try adding "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" to your system startup scripts.
[10:30] <bl3ssing> kdesu: cannot connect to X server
[10:31] <rainbow> could somebody chat with me private
[10:31] <bl3ssing> kdesu: cannot connect to X server ->> what that means?
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: do it from /etc/sysctl.conf (there are some examples there)
[10:31] <crimsun> pointwood: that's not normally an issue for audio. For video, perhaps.
[10:31] <uniq> bl3ssing: in konsole run this command: 'xhost local:'
[10:31] <bl3ssing> there's nobody who'll do that rainbow... that is why we have this channel, to talk all together. No SECRETS! :D
[10:32] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, dpkg-buildpackage uses a .deb? Or do i run that from the source folder?
[10:32] <bl3ssing> uniq, xhost local
[10:32] <bl3ssing> xhost:  unable to open display ""
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: use apt-get source
[10:32] <uniq> bl3ssing: not with sudo. isn't KDE/X running?
[10:32] <rainbow> help!
[10:32] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: so I just add that line there?
[10:33] <pointwood> crimsun: k
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: Look at the syntax of the existing lines in that file and put it in in the same way
[10:33] <bl3ssing> uniq, DONE! No sudo Anymore (I'm the Big MASTER!) :d
[10:34] <DaSkreech> !nvidia > rainbow
[10:34] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Ok.. I'm trying to install wine and I need to apply a patch.. I've already run (well it's running) apt-get build-dep wine.  Now if I run apt-get source wine it will d/l the source.
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: Are you sure the patch is not already in the budgetdedicated version of wine
[10:34] <uniq> bl3ssing: sure, congrats :)
[10:35] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Pretty sure, the info is from winehq website, I'll check the date...
[10:35] <pointwood> hrm...
[10:35] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: is it in wine 0.9.18 ?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> lmosher: You probably want to use apt-get source wine from budget-dedicated (the wine in dapper is comparatively ancient)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> rainbow: Read that :)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Open source is the saddest thign on earth
[10:36] <Hawkwind> uniq: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/16  <~~Can you look at that and verify it's correct.  I feel I've done something wrong
[10:38] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: In some cases - I sometimes wish I was still putting on squat parties and pressing techno records
[10:38] <lmosher> h3sp4wn, Since the wine install is fairly simple, I'll install the budgetdedicatd binary wine first and see if my program runs. If it doesn't I'll uninstall and build the source w/ the patch. It'll only take 3 minutes to check w/ the binary version vs. an hr for wine to compile :P
[10:38] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You can. Just apt-get install jack ;-)
[10:38] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: it doesn't really have any lines that compares to that...: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19494
[10:38] <uniq> Hawkwind: you can't use kubuntu.org on both.
[10:39] <uniq> Hawkwind: that is a contradiction.
[10:39] <Hawkwind> uniq: Ok, so how can I fix it to downgrade back to 3.5.3 ?
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: You know full well jackd doesn't work properly with dapper (I am on edgy but I don't know whether I can be bothered going thru the rigmor of trying to get it to work properly again)
[10:40] <crimsun> um, that's a bit of a stretch.
[10:40] <bl3ssing> and .. who said that it's really complicated to upgrade from Kubuntu 5.10 to Kubuntu 6.0.6? :D (Now I can wipe my sweat of my FACE [long way to go ...! but already DONE! Thanks to my GOD who shall be praised for everything, including for this Kubuntu 6.0.6] ).
[10:40] <crimsun> jackd works quite well in Dapper. A more precise manner of stating it is "jackd may not work well out of the box in Dapper."
[10:41] <bl3ssing> how can I check what's the capacity of my hdd (I mean ... the linux partitions (ext3, ext2 and swap)?
[10:41] <Hawkwind> bl3ssing: df -h
[10:41] <Firetech> or kdf :P
[10:41] <uniq> Hawkwind: well.. can't think of any fast and easy way to do it right now.. i can check if you want.
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: I can't understand why with an identical configuration I get 40ms latency on dapper but 2/3ms latency under debian unstable
[10:42] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: "identical configuration" is likely imprecise unless you really mean that you use the same kernel, same libc, and same packages.
[10:42] <crazy_penguin> Hawkind: sorry for intruding. do you have problems with kde 3.5.4?
[10:42] <bl3ssing> nooooo, Hawkwind, I mean ... a more user-friendly way (Can't type anything since my upgrading's still running)!
[10:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: I'm apologize for this but I can't resist
[10:43] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: You don't know jack!!
[10:43] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: did you see my pastebin?
[10:43] <Hawkwind> bl3ssing: Open another terminal, and type: df -h
[10:43] <bl3ssing> lol
[10:43] <bl3ssing> Done Hawkwind ...
[10:43] <Firetech> bl3ssing: try kdf
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> DaSkreech: Admittedly
[10:43] <Hawkwind> uniq: I'd like to go back to 3.5.3 since konqueror has issues in 3.5.4 when using it outside of Konqueror(in another wm)
[10:43] <bl3ssing> was thinking about htat ... and I had this courage to ... I thought I thaw a PuddyCAT! I thaw, I thaw a puddykat! :DDDDD
[10:44] <bl3ssing> Firetech, the kdf command doesn't exist (or ...?)
[10:44] <uniq> Hawkwind: you can change to one of the mirrors for one of the versions, in sources.list. And then for example if you change to download.kde.org for 3.5.3, pin download.kde.org to 1001, and kubuntu.org to -100
[10:44] <bl3ssing> Hawkwind, already done about my partitions. :) thanks in advance ...
[10:45] <Firetech> bl3ssing: it's a kde gui app with features like df, but it's not installed by default (it's in the repos though)
[10:45] <uniq> Hawkwind: that would require a apt-get update after the change in sources.list.
[10:46] <bl3ssing> cool Firetech ... I'll think about it. :)
[10:46] <Hawkwind> uniq: Heh, that totally confused me.  Trying to decipher that now
[10:46] <Firetech> Hawkwind: there is an easy way to downgrade 3.5.3 otherwise
[10:46] <Firetech> I just found it ;)
[10:46] <blackflag> hello all :)
[10:47] <blackflag> I cant start my screensaver
[10:47] <Hawkwind> Firetech: That would be how ?
[10:47] <blackflag> can someone help?
[10:47] <Firetech> Hawkwind: 2 sec
[10:48] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: Same kernel (Identical configuration i.e just copied .config across) but built against the current toolchains of the respective distros. (This was a few months ago) the configuration of jackd was the same on both (I tried using both rlimits-aware pam and realtime-lsm) Is getting jackd working easily any type of priority for edgy ?
[10:49] <ricardo> does anybody know any other cool site like deviantart??
[10:49] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: no one spec'd it, so I doubt it.
[10:50] <crimsun> right one up, I'll be happy to look
[10:50] <crimsun> argh
[10:50] <crimsun> write
[10:50] <Firetech> Hawkwind: read the instructions on http://pastebin.ca/112317
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: Thats just for putting a value into /proc the examples are exactly the same way as you need to do it
[10:53] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Doing it now.  I'll let you know how it goes
[10:53] <uniq> Hawkwind: that will work.
[10:54] <DaSkreech> ricardo: kde-look.org? :)
[10:54] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: okay, so I should add something like "proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024" to that file?
[10:54] <Hawkwind> uniq: Thanks.  I'm going to document this on my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ forums for others that want to know :)
[10:54] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I'm in the process myself, it seems to work (installing the downloaded packages atm.). You might want to remove the "/etc/apt/preferences" file afterwards.
[10:54] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Yeah I was going to ask about removing the preferences file
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024 (that should be ok)
[10:55] <mikearthur> sorry, why are some packages -ubuntu1 and some -ubuntu2?
[10:56] <thygrrr> Recently (maybe linked to use of ktorrent?) I can't seem to reliably shut down my computer using the K Menu entry. It either takes very long (it just closes all windows and waits), or it doesn't shut down at all. sudo shutdown -r now works fine.
[10:56] <_pulsar> Hi! Does anyone know how to work around that kubuntu-default-settings bug in 3.5.4 or how to downgrade to 3.5.3?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> mikearthur: I think that has to do with when they were built
[10:57] <Firetech> mikearthur: some packages have needed to be repackaged maybe?
[10:57] <mikearthur> why does ndiswrapper-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-ubuntu1 depends on ndiswrapper-utils (>= 1.8-1)?
[10:57] <ricardo> DaSkreech: thx!
[10:57] <mikearthur> I've just compiled from ndiswrapper sources, and for no apparent reason, its depending on a higher version of ndiswrapper-utils
[10:58] <mikearthur> any ideas?
[10:58] <pointwood> h3sp4wn: okay, I assume a reboot will be neccesary to test that then?
[11:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:00] <Hawkwind>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2_i386.deb
[11:00] <Hawkwind> uniq: I get that error at the end of this downgrade :(
[11:01] <wolfmanz> how many callers does skype support at one time anyone know?
[11:02] <Firetech> wolfmanz: I don't know if skype for linux supports conference calls...
[11:03] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Know anything about how to fix that error above ?
[11:03] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I got the same, just run sudo apt-get install -f
[11:04] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Ahhh, seems to be working :)
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> pointwood: you can just use sudo sysctl value=number for now
[11:05] <mikearthur> any ideas why ndiswrapper-source-1.8 depends on ndiswrapper-utils-1.8-1, which aren't available?
[11:06] <Firetech> Hawkwind: new version: http://pastebin.ca/112333
[11:07] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Kewl.  I'll definitely put all of this on my forums here in a bit
[11:08] <Firetech> Hawkwind: I'll update the info if I have to do anything more later, I'll keep you noticed
[11:08] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Many thanks!
[11:09] <Firetech> seems to be working fine, though
[11:10] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Yeah same here
[11:13] <Hotwire> how can i stop x so i'm just in a console? i'm using kdm as my login manager
[11:14] <Hawkwind> Hotwire: killall kdm or killall x or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[11:15] <Hotwire> thanks :)
[11:15] <zan> hi! can someone please tell me from where to install the latest version of krusader (not the beta one)... in the repositories (all enabled) i find only the 1.60.1 one...
[11:16] <zan> !krusader
[11:16] <ubotu> I know nothing about krusader - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:16] <Firetech> Hawkwind: seems that process is correct, I'm gonna restart KDE to test ;)
[11:16] <Firetech> brb
[11:20] <youth-now> hi
[11:20] <_pulsar> Can I force apt-get to use *only* the sources supplied in sources.list and downgrade packages if neccessary? If so, how?
[11:20] <lars_> youth-now: hi :)
[11:20] <macconline> hi... k3b = windows & linux ??
[11:21] <Firetech> Hawkwind: back in KDE 3.5.3, seems to have downgraded successfully (I'm doing it on my laptop too, to check the process)
[11:21] <youth-now> what is this
[11:22] <bytefoo> anyone know why i can't apply any styles to amarok?
[11:22] <Firetech> _pulsar: why would you need that, to downgrade KDE 3.5.4?
[11:22] <youth-now> what is ubuntu
[11:22] <Firetech> youth-now: a linux distribution
[11:22] <youth-now> ok
[11:22] <youth-now> bye
[11:23] <_pulsar> Firetech: Well, there's an ugly bug in 3.5.4 preventing Kubuntu default settings from being applied and therefore ruining my whole KDE installation.
[11:23] <zan> hi! can someone please tell me from where to install the latest version of krusader (not the beta one)... in the repositories (all enabled) i find only the 1.60.1 one...
[11:23] <lars_> Kubuntu on a Cinet HomeBook 945PM do not work... Network card wireless and cable + some controllers was unknown... M;S lockdown!?
[11:23] <Hawkwind> Firetech: I've put the info here incase you want to point people to it in the future:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:23] <Firetech> _pulsar: I know, I just downgraded myself ;)
[11:23] <Firetech> _pulsar: check Hawkwind's link there
[11:24] <Firetech> Hawkwind: you don't need to rm -rf /etc/apt/preferences... -f will do... (-r is for removing directories...)
[11:25] <Firetech> I.E. rm -f
[11:25] <Hawkwind> Firetech: Heh, yeah.  Habit I guess.  Let me edit that
[11:25] <_pulsar> Hawkwind: Oh man, thanks a lot! That helped!
[11:25] <kana> does kopete support voice chat?
[11:25] <Firetech> I've even aliased rm to rm -i to be sure (I've done silly things with rm before...
[11:26] <Hawkwind> _pulsar: No problem.  Thaks to Firetech for the info too :)
[11:26] <_pulsar> Thanks to both of you. :()
[11:26] <_pulsar> -(
[11:26] <Firetech> no problem, glad to help
[11:28] <crazy_penguin> good night all! sleep well! :)
[11:29] <Hawkwind> Firetech: We should get an op to add that URL and some info about kde downgrade to the bot :)
[11:29] <Firetech> yeah
[11:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: You still around ?
[11:30] <crimsun> not really, I'm amidst a conf call.
[11:30] <crimsun> ping me in 20 minutes.
[11:30] <Hawkwind> crimsun: Ah ok.  Let me know when you're available
[11:31] <Hawkwind> I could have done !ops, but that would be a bit harsh :P
[11:33] <zan> does krusader have the brief view implemented yet?
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: what do you need?
[11:35] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Firetech and I have put a how-to together for downgrading KDE and would like for the info to be added to the bot if possible
[11:35] <gnomefreak> link?
[11:35] <Hawkwind> http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:35] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: That's on my forums there
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ok brb gonna look
[11:36] <vitor> Hi. Has anyone already had trouble using a laptop with an external CRT? The screen in the CRT is cut off at the left side. Anyone know how to fix this?
[11:36] <fritsch> Hawkwind: kde seems to be fixed right now
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: can you change vi to something more user friendly?
[11:37] <kana>  linuxfordummies would have preffered linuxfornewusers :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> vi is not real new user friendly ;)
[11:37] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Sure, what would you prefer ?
[11:38] <gnomefreak> since using kde i would go with kate (seems to be user friendly)
[11:40] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Edited
[11:40] <gnomefreak> ok im just thinking now give me a few ill let you know
[11:41] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: Many thanks
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: kdesu kate /etc/apt/preferences ????
[11:42] <markrian> So KDE 3.5.4 is broken in dapper... are there any more details as to what is broken?
[11:42] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: Yeah, I changed that
[11:42] <Hawkwind> markrian: It's the kde-default-settings
[11:43] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: thanx nice job :-)
[11:44] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: No problem
[11:44] <DaSkreech> markrian: Or kdelibs whichever you want to say
[11:45] <markrian> Will KDE 3.5.4 packages ever be put up onto Kubuntu.org then, or not?
[11:45] <markrian> (for dapper)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> !kubuntu
[11:45] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. To downgrade your version of kubuntu to an older version see: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[11:45] <dr_willis> Not sure if they will get included in dapper.. thats just now how theubuntu gys normally do things.
[11:45] <gnomefreak> markrian: when they are a bit more stable
[11:46] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: no
[11:46] <dr_willis> every 6 mo - they have a HUGE mega-release with all the updates.. then 6 mo later the next release
[11:46] <gnomefreak> but thats kind of wierd as testing on dapper is going on right now
[11:46] <dr_willis> gnomefreak,  if you say so.. they may be  changeing their minds a bit - since edgy is to be such a huge update
[11:46] <dr_willis> I will be suprised if edgy is ready in 6 mo.
[11:46] <markrian> I ask simply because I remember 3.5.3 packages appearing incredibly quickly for dapper on kubuntu.org
[11:47] <TheGateKeeper> does anyone know if the new package manager will have role back facility (just out of curiosity)?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> dr_willis: i think they lowered the (huge) a bit due to lack of time
[11:47] <dr_willis> but from 5.3 to 5.4 - how big a change is that really.
[11:47] <dr_willis> :)
[11:47] <markrian> I suppose
[11:47] <kosha> hi... anybody here that can help me haveing ubuntu read and/or write ntfs sata disks ?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> kosha: there are howto's on the ubuntu forums
[11:48] <Hawkwind> Firetech: You see that gnomefreak added it to the !kubuntu fact for us :)
[11:48] <zan> please tell me how do i enable the root account???
[11:49] <dr_willis> heh - :)
[11:49] <gnomefreak> !root > zan
[11:49] <vitor> TheGateKeeper: are there any how-tos on LCD and CRT display? One that particularly addresses widescreen problems?
[11:49] <Hawkwind> zan: sudo passwd if you really must
[11:49] <dr_willis> learn to use sudo is the proper way to use root access
[11:49] <gnomefreak> zan: sudo -i
[11:49] <kosha> thx gatekeeper
[11:50] <zan> i know how to use sudo, but i also want an oldstyle root account... please! :D
[11:50] <TheGateKeeper> vitor: sorry don't know :-(
[11:50] <dom> zan, what for?
[11:50] <dr_willis> or zan  its an iq test of your linux knowledge. :P
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: keep me informed on how e17 is on dapper (i am using it on edgy atm)
[11:50] <TheGateKeeper> zan: sudo su effectively gives you that
[11:51] <zan> krusader crashes when i start it in root-mode from the shortcut... in normal mode it runs smoothly...
[11:51] <dr_willis> sudo krusader
[11:52] <dr_willis> or ksudo krusader (i think)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> kdesu
[11:52] <dr_willis> Thats kind of scary that t crashes when ran as root..
[11:52] <TheGateKeeper> zan: kdesu krusader
[11:52] <dr_willis> whats the gnome one then? they really need to get their names straightedn out. :P
[11:53] <KaiHanari> how do you list groups in a system?
[11:53] <dr_willis> gksudo? gnomesu?
[11:53] <gnomefreak> gksudo
[11:53] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I've been using it since day one, except I use it from CVS.  I've currently got about 10 users using it from my repo I made last night for Dapper and no one has complained of anything or a breakage
[11:53] <dr_willis> heh.   Yea - the names picked for a lot of progrms... need to be rethought.
[11:53] <gnomefreak> yeah like libsexy liboobs :(
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Like pornview
[11:54] <Hawkwind> Heh
[11:54] <Hawkwind> That is such a great image viewer, yet people turn away from it due to the name
[11:54] <dom> KaiHanari, basic groups are just in /etc/group.  you can see them all there
[11:54] <dr_willis> yep.
[11:54] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: how does your e17 differ from the standard repos?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: ok lets give a while. i need it to be very well tested before i can get it on easysource ;)
[11:54] <zan> i can't find ksudo
[11:54] <Hawkwind> TheGateKeeper: We will be building the E17 debs atleast once a week and they are built directly from CVS
[11:55] <Firetech> zan: it's kdesu
[11:55] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: No problem at all :)
[11:55] <zan> oh
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Hawkwind: cool :-)
[11:55] <dr_willis> we need a gnome/kde naming standard :)
[11:55] <Firetech> dr_willis: uhm, yes
[11:55] <larson9999> speaking of image viewers i like, does kuickview work with dapper yet?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: Name everythign with a K!! :)
[11:56] <dr_willis> kde/gno :P
[11:56] <Firetech> dr_willis: an /etc/alternatives  symlink called guisudo would be fine too ;)
[11:56] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I've posted about the repo on the Ubuntu and Kubuntu forums hoping to get many users to use it and give feedback
[11:56] <dr_willis> Then again even within kde and gnome they use odd names in many ways
[11:56] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:57] <david__> :)
[11:57] <larson9999> maybe there should be a program name registry like there is for ip addresses
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ill keep you informed of any issues with it and edgy
[11:59] <dknet> bonjour tlm
[11:59] <kana> !skype
[11:59] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[11:59] <rr72> WTF why is ubuntu wine out of date?
[12:00] <rr72> !wine
[12:00] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:00] <Hawkwind> rr72: How is it out of date ?
[12:01] <Hawkwind> rr72: # Bleeding edge wine packages (packages)
[12:01] <Hawkwind> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[12:01] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: btw, hi there :)
[12:02] <rr72> poeple were yelling at me cause wine is out of date? WWTF its not my fault
[12:02] <TheGateKeeper> hiya Philip5 :-)
[12:02] <zan> what do the % params stand for in the krusader shortcut: "krusader -caption "%c" %i %m"?
[12:02] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: have you been away for a couple of days? haven't noticed you
[12:03] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: no not really, depends how active things are in here, sometimes I go into #ubuntu
[12:03] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: traitor... ;)
[12:04] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: thanx :-)
[12:04] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: lol
[12:04] <markrian> zan: that's a very good question, I see them all over the place and have no idea
[12:04] <LeeJunFan> hrm, concerning ATI - should I ever expect good driver support from a company who's webpage has never really been linux friendly? :p
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: soon be time for me to pop off to the land of nod
[12:05] <zan> markrian: :(... i can run krusader without them, but i became very curious... >:)
[12:05] <TheGateKeeper> Philip5: you ok then?
[12:06] <Philip5> TheGateKeeper: yes... just been busy with compiling stuff
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> I thought I read somewhere that the new ATI drivers were on ATI's page in a deb pkg for ubuntu - I don't see them.