[01:30] <xubuntu52i> hi yall
[06:16] <miragemirage> hej!
[06:16] <miragemirage> rus?
[07:48] <pavlushka> o/
[13:44] <Orioa> can someone help me ive been trying to rename a partion but it keeps coming up all capital letters after i change it i tried gparted and the disk utility
[16:58] <reid82> can anyone give me a nudge in the right direction? i came back to my computer and couldn't get the lock screen to come back, i hard reset it and now after luks it goes to a blinking cursor on a black screen; i can get to a tty but i don't know what to address. i updated my packages a little bit before i stepped away so i assume that broke something
[17:01] <reid82> restarting the lightdm service just bumps me back to the cursor
[17:05] <reid82> also holding shift during boot doesn't get me anything


[12:40] <warp10> Hi all!
[12:44] <dholbach> heya
[12:45] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 16 minutes
[13:00] <dholbach> Welcome everybody to another MOTU Q&A Session!
[13:00]  * dholbach is Daniel Holbach - who else do we have here today? :)
[13:00]  * Hobbsee is the trouble-making green alien
[13:00] <Hobbsee> don't turn out like me, else you'll have to keep putting out spot fires
[13:01] <dholbach> is that everybody today? :)
[13:01] <dholbach> I thought we'd have a bunch of MOTU and Packaging questions :-)
[13:01] <JonReagan> I have one!
[13:02]  * warp10 is Andrea Colangelo, MOTU contributor, interested in science and games
[13:02] <dholbach> hey JonReagan - how are you doing?
[13:02] <dholbach> hey warp10
[13:02] <dholbach> JonReagan: fire away
[13:02] <JonReagan> doin' fine.. you?
[13:02] <JonReagan> this will take me a sec to type out...
[13:02] <dholbach> very fine, thanks
[13:03] <dholbach> no problem - we have time
[13:03] <dholbach> warp10: how are you doing?
[13:03] <warp10> dholbach: I would feel better without my flu :S
[13:04] <dholbach> warp10: man, I know how you feel - spent the complete last weekend in bed and felt bad for most of the week :)
[13:04] <JonReagan> I want to bring an app called OpenProj into the repositories.  I have checked the repos, needs-packaging, and found no sign of OpenProj.  Basically, after reading all the packaging pages, from MOTU to licensing, I have one question... Where do I begin? :)
[13:05] <warp10> dholbach: argh :(
[13:05] <dholbach> JonReagan: a good approach I used when I package something new was: look at packages that have a similar build system or are structured in a similar way
[13:05] <dholbach> we have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/ReferencePackages which lists a few
[13:05] <JonReagan> thanks
[13:06] <dholbach> JonReagan: first of all I'd file the needs-packaging bug and assign it to you, so everybody knows you're on it and they can contact you if they want to help out etc
[13:06] <JonReagan> k
[13:06] <dholbach> JonReagan: did you figure out how the openproj source tarball is made up? build-system wise?
[13:07] <dholbach> does it use python? does it use a ./configure && make approach? what does it do?
[13:07] <JonReagan> I believe it uses the ./configure method
[13:07] <JonReagan> it runs off the java runtime enging
[13:07] <JonReagan> *engine
[13:08] <JonReagan> but the developers said the dependencies can be changed to use something OSS, like Icedtea
[13:08] <dholbach> if it indeed uses ./configure and friends it wouldn't hurt to start with the example that dh_make provides
[13:08] <dholbach> debian/rules would then just make of the configure script it finds
[13:09] <JonReagan> oh
[13:09] <JonReagan> dh_make, is that a programming example package?
[13:09] <dholbach> the dependencies are something you specify in debian/control - that should not be problematic
[13:09] <dholbach> it will provide you with a bunch of example files for the debian directory
[13:09] <JonReagan> whew... good
[13:09] <dholbach> of course you will still have to fill in the gaps
[13:09] <JonReagan> ah
[13:10] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete has information on how to use it (it describes it the case of the 'hello' package)
[13:10] <JonReagan> just downloaded the tar.gz
[13:10] <JonReagan> looks like it comes with a script file to install it.
[13:10] <JonReagan> .sh, to be exact
[13:11] <dholbach> so it looks like it just installs a bunch of .jar files?
[13:11] <dholbach> (to everybody else: if you have a question, just ask)
[13:11] <JonReagan> yup... that's what it looks like
[13:12] <dholbach> we generally prefer if we can build binaries from source, but if there's no other way and the license makes it generally distributable it can still go to multiverse
[13:12] <JonReagan> there is a source package available... I feel smart! :P
[13:12] <dholbach> ahh!
[13:13] <dholbach> do we have any other questions right now?
[13:13] <dholbach> or did the bunch of you come to get openproj packaged? :)
[13:14]  * warp10 has a couple questions
[13:14] <warp10> I have just read on Ubuntu-MOTU mailing list about this Ubuntu Developer Week thing. dholbach, would you like to say something more about what's going on in a couple weeks?
[13:15] <dholbach> JonReagan: it seems to use ant and other java stuff I'm really not familiar with, I'd encourage you to check out other big java packages and maybe get in touch with the upstream developers of openproj to see how they build the .deb file they include on their web page
[13:15] <JonReagan> ok
[13:16] <dholbach> warp10: so Ubuntu Developer Week is going to be from Feb 18th to Feb 22nd - just like at Ubuntu Open Week we're going to have a lot of session explaining about all kinds of things that go on in Ubuntu development land
[13:16] <dholbach> some will explain how a certain team works with Q&A parts and others will directly dive into explaining how to stuff like patching, like submitting things for review, like how to get involved with MOTU and so on
[13:17] <dholbach> right now I asked for proposals of sessions and once we have the schedule filled up, I'll announce it to the public
[13:17] <dholbach> hey wolfger
[13:17] <wolfger> hey
[13:17] <dholbach> warp10: does that answer your question?
[13:18] <warp10> dholbach: it does indeed. It sounds like a very great week! I Hope all sessions will be logged and pasted on the wiki
[13:18] <dholbach> absolutely
[13:18] <dholbach> warp10: you said you had some more questions? :)
[13:18] <warp10> dholbach: yes, a more technical one
[13:18] <dholbach> fire away
[13:19] <warp10> I would like to know a little more about stamps usage in debian/rules. Why should I use (or don't use) them? And why?
[13:19] <warp10> s/and why?/And when?
[13:20] <dholbach> I'm just checking the docs for a clever answer on that, hang on
[13:21] <Skiessl> <_<
[13:22] <Skiessl> >_>
[13:22] <dholbach> what I found right now only explained that it's used to make use of upstream's own Makefile during the build process
[13:22] <dholbach> that's not terribly much
[13:23] <warp10> If this is an interesting topic, maybe we can find a better answer to this topic for next Q&A? Otherwise, never mind :)
[13:24] <dholbach> it's definitely established routine to make use of them, I just can't find much about the actual justification besides making use of the upstream Makefile
[13:24] <dholbach> good idea - sorry for not giving a better answer
[13:24] <dholbach> do we have any other questions?
[13:24] <warp10> dholbach: not a problam at all. :)
[13:24] <dholbach> ok good :)
[13:25] <dholbach> wolfger: how are things going since the Packaging Jam?
[13:25] <wolfger> dholbach: I wasn't able to attend the Packaging Jam, and the second one was supposed to be this weekend, but got postponed
[13:26] <dholbach> (for those that don't know wolfger and his Loco ran a Packaging Jam in Michigan:  http://mitechie.com/index.php?/archives/273-Summary-of-MiLoCo-Packaging-Jam-2007.html )
[13:26] <dholbach> wolfger: but you had a lost of interest in it, right?
[13:26] <wolfger> I tried putting together a package for MeMaker, but I couldn't find a really good tutorial on packaging a Python app from scratch.
[13:26] <wolfger> s/lost/lots/
[13:26] <wolfger> ;-)
[13:27] <dholbach> wolfger: you could take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Lists/ReferencePackages which lists a few python packages
[13:27] <dholbach> we'll have a Packaging Jam in Berlin next week and I'm absolutely excited about it
[13:27] <wolfger> MeMaker got somebody else to do the initial package, and now when things settle down, I'll take a crack at upgrading it to the next version.
[13:28] <dholbach> wolfger: did you try the PackagingGuide Recipes already?
[13:28] <dholbach> there's one about upgrading a package to a new version
[13:28] <dholbach> maybe that'll help
[13:28] <wolfger> yes, I know
[13:28] <dholbach> rock on
[13:28] <wolfger> thanks for taking an interest :-)
[13:29] <dholbach> that's what we're here for  :-)
[13:29] <dholbach> any more questions?
[13:29]  * JonReagan raises hand...
[13:29] <dholbach> any problems you ran into lately?
[13:29] <dholbach> JonReagan: fire away
[13:29] <JonReagan> after I get the source, do I need to build it myself, and upload it as a binary version>
[13:30] <Hobbsee> JonReagan: we're not debian - you only ever upload sources in ubuntu
[13:30] <dholbach> JonReagan: you need to make sure it's buildable by running      debuild    in the source tree or build it with pbuilder (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto)
[13:30] <Hobbsee> JonReagan: but you should check it does build, yes ;)
[13:30] <JonReagan> ah
[13:30] <dholbach> JonReagan: yeah, what Hobbsee said: we just upload the source package to the build daemon and it will produce the binary packages for us
[13:30] <JonReagan> very cool
[13:31] <dholbach> yeah :)
[13:31] <Hobbsee> JonReagan: if you upload binaries to ubuntu, it'll either get sent to /dev/null, or almost to /dev/null, and i'll come and yell at you for gettin git wrong :)
[13:31] <JonReagan> lol
[13:31] <Hobbsee> no binaries.  no dcut.  easy does it :)
[13:31] <dholbach> Hobbsee: gettin git wrong is very easy :)
[13:31] <JonReagan> yeah, I wont do that.
[13:31] <dholbach> good stuff :-)
[13:31] <Hobbsee> dholbach: hehe, yeah well.
[13:31]  * Hobbsee is always somewhat surprised about what people manage to upload to REVU
[13:31] <dholbach> any other troubles you have? pressing questions? problems? stories you want to tell? :)
[13:32] <dholbach> Hobbsee: REVU should just ignore that kind of stuff :)
[13:32] <dholbach> or move it to /dev/null
[13:32] <Hobbsee> dholbach: it almost does
[13:32] <JonReagan> say, is it ok to ask questions on the mailing list?  I should be able to figure just about everything out, but if I run into trouble, is it ok to ask?
[13:32] <dholbach> that sounds like a good start :)
[13:32] <dholbach> JonReagan: sure
[13:33] <JonReagan> ah, great.  That's all the questions I had... thanks folks!
[13:33] <dholbach> rock on JonReagan
[13:33] <Hobbsee> JonReagan: we like eating new contributors.  :)
[13:33] <JonReagan> hehe
[13:33] <dholbach> Hobbsee: speak for yourself :)
[13:33] <Hobbsee> they're tasty!
[13:33]  * Hobbsee munches happily
[13:34] <dholbach> hey walmis
[13:34] <wolfger> you want fries with that?
[13:34] <dholbach> here for the MOTU Q&A session?
[13:34] <dholbach> probably not :)
[13:35] <dholbach> so we answered all the questions? I mean: all of them? :)
[13:35] <dholbach> if we really did: get to work, there are gazillions of bugs to be fixed! :-))))
[13:36] <dholbach> would you know how to submit a bugfix for inclusion into ubuntu?
[13:37] <dholbach> in case you're wondering: it's http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[13:38] <dholbach> and two things I have on my mind for a while right now are
[13:39] <dholbach>  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.status_upstream=resolved_upstream    (Bugs that are fixed Upstream or elsewhere already)
[13:40] <dholbach>  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.has_patch=on (bugs with patches attached)
[13:40] <dholbach> it'd be great to get those lists as close to  0  as possible for hardy as possible
[13:41] <dholbach> maybe it'd help to split them up into main and universe
[13:41] <dholbach> anyway - I'll post my thoughts about that soon :)
[13:41] <dholbach> just wanted to let you know
[13:41]  * wolfger raises hand
[13:42] <dholbach> did I scare you away now?
[13:42] <dholbach> wolfger: fire away
[13:42] <wolfger> What's the best/easiest way to do something useful, as a rank noob?
[13:43] <dholbach> we have http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Bugs
[13:43] <Hobbsee> take a patch, fix it into a debdiff, and subscribe the sponsoring stuff
[13:43] <Hobbsee> that way, it doesn't require you do to "coding"
[13:43] <dholbach> what Hobbsee says is a good idea for example
[13:43] <Hobbsee> (for the easiest)
[13:43] <wolfger> sounds good
[13:43] <wolfger> thanks
[13:43] <dholbach> making sure the patch applies, make sure it builds, make sure it fixes the problem, and submit the debdiff
[13:44] <dholbach> other than that we have lots of lists with open bugs, some are tagged as 'bitesize' (suitable for new contributors)
[13:44] <JonReagan> I gotta run folks, thanks for all the help!
[13:44] <dholbach> but also 'upgrade' bugs (new upstream version), 'ftbfs' bugs for stuff that doesn't build, etc etc :)
[13:44] <dholbach> have a great day, JonReagan
[13:45] <dholbach> wolfger: I'm thinking of running BugJams here in Berlin to get working on some of those lists - I think I heard jcastro mentioning something like that about Michigan
[13:47] <dholbach> are there any more questions?
[13:47] <dholbach> if not, I'd soon run off to grab some lunch *starving*
[13:47] <dholbach> wolfger: generally I'd say that fixing existing packages is much easier than packaging stuff from scratch (which seems to attract much more new contributors)
[13:48] <wolfger> dholbach: great! Yeah, I ran the BugJam here, and jcastro talked me into doing it again for Penguicon
[13:48] <dholbach> wolfger: woah - nice
[13:48] <dholbach> I guess that's going to be huge?
[13:48] <wolfger> I hope so.
[13:48] <dholbach> I'm sure it's going to be :)
[13:49] <wolfger> My presentation focused on the easy stuff, showing people that all you really need to help triage is a knowledge of how to work a web browser
[13:49] <dholbach> that's right
[13:49] <dholbach> did you chat with bdmurray about that?
[13:49] <wolfger> no, I haven't
[13:49] <dholbach> he might be able to give you a list of stuff to work on and some guidelines on the wiki
[13:49] <dholbach> he's our bugmaster
[13:50] <dholbach> (hanging out on #ubuntu-bugs all the time)
[13:50] <wolfger> yes, he's helped me out there more than once
[13:50] <dholbach> ahh col
[13:50] <dholbach> cool
[13:50] <wolfger> didn't know he was "the bugmaster"
[13:50] <dholbach> he earned the title fair and square
[13:51] <dholbach> although pedro_ gives him some good competition, I guess :)
[13:52] <dholbach> ok MOTU Friends - I'll finish the session here today, feel free to ask whatever questions you still have in #ubuntu-motu and thanks for showing up
[13:52] <dholbach> you guys ROCK :-)
[13:52]  * dholbach -> lunch :)
[13:53] <ScottK> Please don't be afraid to ask in #ubuntu-motu.  We're glad to help people learn how to help out.
[13:53] <warp10> dholbach: thanks, and have a good lunch! :)
[13:53] <dholbach> ScottK: exactly :)
[20:18] <ety> hi how can i watch .swf files
[20:20] <ety> anyone on the room
[20:22] <ety> anyone on the room
[20:22] <ety> anyone on the room


[21:22] <wt79> can anyone in here give me some help with a myth install?
[21:24] <wt79> problem is I get the blue screen on boot and I see a mythdatabase error ie. the database isnt updating on boot
[21:39] <wt79> ok so if anyone reads this scratch that last sentence. In the mythtv info center im getting a is mythdatabase running? message and no tv guide


[17:43] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all
[18:15] <yotux> Are ati 3d driver able to be install in 11.10
[18:16] <PaoloRotolo> yofel, yes
[18:23] <yotux> battery indicator is not correct how do I find the package to report this?


 @Gussi, Actually there is a @halium group where people focus on the porting. You might ask there, too.
 Someone could download the sources for you and compress them and send them to you.
[07:41] <ubptgbot> Jignesh Wallecha was added by: Jignesh Wallecha
 @Jignesh Wallecha, Hi Jignesh, welcome. Take a look to http://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started
 Hi! Can anyone help me to install ub on my cancro device? I would like to use ubports installer but it say me "unsupported device"
 Hi, think the clue is in the message, sounds like it's not a supported device (Mi3/4?)
[09:49] <T-5> Good morning everyone, hope you're having an amazing day!
 Afternoon, almost home time so things are looking up! :)
[09:50] <T-5> I'm back with my kernl build attemtps for oneplus one. I initialized my repo with manifest from https://github.com/ubports/android, branch ubp-5.1 but i'm getting build errors ver early on: https://pastebin.com/cP6WtVQB
 Is there any way to list partitions from fastboot?
 @JasonMD, thanks for the reply. i know but there is a metod to use with an unsupported device?
 @mixmoto, https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/58 It probably isn't ready for that as you can see here
 Is there? I'm not qualified to answer that, maybe someone else here knows? As far as I'm aware the ubports only works on supported devices
 Ubports imstaller
 @K31j0, thanks but i try to install another dev job
 Installer
 @JasonMD, thanks for helping
 No worries, hope you work out how to install
 👍
 Xiaomi devices aren't really made for anything other than MIUI
 @K31j0, yes an no... xiaomi doesn't give all the source code but there are more developers intrested on port other rom or os on it
 @K31j0, mmmm are you shure? I have a friend that is happy with his mi5 equipped with los 15.1
 The only problem are xiaomi's devices with socs that are not made by qualcomm
 like mi pad 2
 but maybe I'm wrong, this is only my opinion
[10:47] <ubptgbot> K was added by: K
 Anyone ever heard of sailfish os. … I'm not advertising or anything, just wondering what chance it's got
 @K, I imagine everyone here has heard of it. I doubt any of us can tell you what chance it has of
 anuone knows how to install a click package through the terminal?
 @Eranuzan, sure. you first have to get it on the device manually.
 `pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foo.click`
 oh right what Dan says
 @DanChapman, Thanks :)
 Yay got telegram  working on xenial :)
 ( well @Flohack got it to work I just installed it 😋)
 @Eranuzan, OpenStore is also an installer app, so if someone sends you a private click package, you can install it using that. File Manager also links seamlessly
 @Stereofont, Hmm for some reason the file manager doesn't offer it as a possible application to open the click package
 I think at the moment it isn't fully adapted to Xenial. Dual store seems close though 😎
 @K, Well the main difference is that its mother company didn't abandon it
 @K31j0, They basically have. They really only support a single device now, for the full sailfish experience. The community ports don't have the android support and such
 @dohbee, That's true. Sailfish os is only limited to inoi phone(for Russian market ), jolla c phone ( not in the market ) , accione one p phone( for latin america ) and sony xperia x ( mostly for europe )
 And more phones being made available soon.
 @dohbee, Well we're both working on anbox
 (at least mal is)
[13:13] <ubptgbot> Jürgen Herrmann was added by: Jürgen Herrmann
 @Jürgen Herrmann, Welcome, Jurgen! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!
 @jonny, It's a. Great idea, I'll look into that
[15:34] <ubptgbot> slp1605 was added by: slp1605
 Is there an ISO of UT so a friend of mine can try it on his desktop in VirtualBox?
 @slp1605, Welcome, Sergio! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!
[15:41] <ubptgbot> blank_x was added by: blank_x
 Is there a ISO version of Ubuntu Touch?
[15:42] <ubptgbot> slp1605 was added by: slp1605
 @blank_x, Lol you got right to it
 @amolith, yes, i did
 Better to be straightforward
 @blank_x, Welcome! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any questions you may have in here or in our Welcome & Install room!
 rather than spam the chat with things like "May I ask you a question?"
 @K31j0, Lol he asked me that in another channel that we're in together and I invited him to the Supergroup
 There is unity8, which is basically UT on desktop. Youll find the blog post on ubports.com on how to install it. But there are issues and it is much less functional then UT on phones.
 @amolith, lel
[15:45] <ubptgbot> Kaluthana was added by: Kaluthana
 @Kaluthana, Welcome, Kaluthana! Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any questions you may have here or in our Welcome & Install room! 🙂
 Hello everyone! I was wondering what is the phone that runs Ubuntu Touch that have the highest performance, could anyone help? I would like to purchase one
 forums.ubports.com down
 @altoria, check devices.ubuntu-touch.io and compare them. I think the Meizu is the most powerful right now? Possibly?
 @amolith, Thanks!
 @altoria, No problem! 🙂
 @altoria, If (!) you are looking for a meizu - Buy a Ubuntu edit then... Iv got a meizu pro 5 (chinese version) and it cant be flash - locked bootloader
 @DennisSwe, Can't that be SP-Flash-Tool'd?
 Not sure about that... Do not think it is so easy :/ ... Some people have manage to change the region, downgrade, unlocked the bootloader and then flashed it. I'v tried that but it didn't work out for me...
 SP-Flash-Tool would be great - have to check that out...
 Isn't it like
 Flash stock canonical image via sp flashtool -> flash UBports with some gypsy magic?
 Yepp it would be, if the phone is a european version
 Oh
 So
 different baseband you say?
 Yeah, you have that TD-SCDMA thing going on
 @K31j0, Yeah, you right i guess... Don't know if there is a chans at all... Best way is to buy a ubuntu edit from the beginning
 @blank_x, There is no ISO, no. The 16.04 x86 packages are in an odd state and not fully installable right now, and 18.04 doesn't have a working login session yet due to changes in Mir and some upstream packages in Ubuntu. Hopefully those will be resolved soon though.
 @K31j0, On the international version, yes. On the domestic Chinese verseion, it's a little more in depth.
 On the domestic Chinese version you probably have no possibilityu
 [Edit] On the domestic Chinese version you probably have no possibility
 or need to reflash baseband afterwards
 i don't know
 @libremax, It's working for me
 @K31j0, Yeah... Time to sell that phone instead..
[17:35] <ubptgbot> COBrOx was added by: COBrOx
 @COBrOx, Welcome! I love your bio 😉 Check out ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you started and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in here or in the Welcome & Install room! 🙂
 thank 2 and hello
 @COBrOx, No problem!
 Hello community! I need some help. It is possible configure the browser to allow popup for a one web that need it?
[19:44] <ubptgbot> Tony Druzhano was added by: Tony Druzhano
[19:46] <ubptgbot> <Tony Druzhano> Hi, mates. I try to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 5, but after reload to ubuntu recovery the process of installing not going on
[19:47] <ubptgbot> <Tony Druzhano> I have linux on my pc
 @Tony Druzhano, If you make a username in Telegram you can be invited to the install room
 Thanks
 I got it
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Guessing the best way would be to use WebappCreator and tweak the permissions
 @Pyrkanchik
 Please send me invite link
 Thx)
 @Stereofont, i guess this is not a permissions issue
 @dohbee, Would WebappCreator be a workaround though?
 @Stereofont, no. if the browser isn't doing a popup, webapp-container won't either (and even less likely that the alternate qml+oxide version does)
 it's probably a bug that needs fixing in webbrowser-app
 Sally question intoming..
 Silly question incoming...
 There is no such thing as a Sally question
 😃
 I just now realised the lockscreen on my tablet doesn't have a clock, just the login input field, while all the pictures out on the internet do show it. Is it a setting somewhere?
 @YougoChats 15.04 or 16.04?
 15
 Hmm weird
 @YougoChats, You don't mean the time on the top menu?
 @YougoChats, i think those are all fake images
 @Stereofont, he means where the user selector is located
 I did go back and forth with system-image-cli a short while ago. Is the behavior in 16.04 different and somehow it screwed something up?
 the large time display
 The Grand Central clock is a background image 😂
 @Stereofont, he's talking about this: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hyCxAGy52QM/VrTJJdoNTdI/AAAAAAAAHHE/ltYeThuKs5U/s2600/Front%2BLandscape.jpg
 That one yes.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wVXHeVUi.png
 I don't have that
 I get this
 Same
 @YougoChats, Clock is broken in 16.04, so maybe...
 but you should have that clock in the lock screen
 no, there is no clock on the lock screen in landscape layout
 Ah, I don't have a tablet
 so that image is fake?
 i think it might have been like that in an earlier version perhaps
 Shock, horror!
 but also i think that is a mock-up
 hence why it says 16:04
 http://i.priice.com/300/bq-aquaris-m10-ubuntu.png
 So bq m10 portrait lock screen is fake too?
 i think the lock screen doesn't rotate and so you don't get the portrait mode lock screen there
 @dohbee, Correct. I just locked the screen rotation in portrait and locked the screen. It briefly tries to show the lock screen all crammed together but then jumps to landscape. Never a clock though
 Heh watching old youtube videos of ut by canonical. Was any of the stuff in this video real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrFEWgwXdtk
 Multi user, gui candy in the indicator menus...
 some of it is real, yeah
 but the demo is all with a guest account i think
 and at that point it was all demoware fake, though
 't was a good fake though
 the right edge with staged mode stuff should all work though, right now
 That part exists indeed. Also the picture editor exists but only crop and rotate, no hue/sat/brightness etc.
 you can't change hsv in gallery app?
 No?
 hmm, i would expect that was there
 oho my
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/cCNedj6W.png
 this pb will be solved one day ?
 on xenial
 bug OS not app
 But what's happening
 the answer of the oder of this  apps
 coder
 several times the question was put to him
 "NetworkError 301 protocol is unknow
[22:02] <ubptgbot> Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki was added by: Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki
 What is the protocol?
[22:21] <ubptgbot> DreamsVoid was added by: DreamsVoid
 @Ismail_ibn_Thomas_Al_Amreeki welcome back
 @DreamsVoid, Hi Douglas, welcome. Take a look to https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome to get you up to speed
 @Sconio, Which protocol?
 @Sconio, Look
 For Download,
[22:51] <ubptgbot> sysctl was added by: sysctl
 Yes, but what protocol is the app trying to download?
 At doesn't automatically support all possible network protocols
 I don't know personally, the manager of the application describes that this does not come from the application
 This error has already appeared on other application
 The error comes from download manager, but because the app is trying to download from a protocol which can't be handled
 Check the download manager logs.
 Ok
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q9qFjJMYwp/
 @advocatux, Thanks guys ...
 Anyone know where I can get a One plus One? … I am in Egypt. … I really want to out UB Ports on a One plus Three, but it hasn't been done yet or is not possible (correct)?
 [Edit] Anyone know where I can get a One plus One? … I am in Egypt. … I really want to put UB Ports on a One plus Three, but it hasn't been done yet or is not possible (correct)?
 Oneplus 3, not yet. About where to get an OPO, no idea, sorry
 @sysctl, Hi Diego, welcome. Check out https://ubports.com/telegram-welcome There are also language focus groups
 @Sconio, That's the app log. Check in I think `~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/` for error log
 @advocatux Thanks for the info 👍


[03:52] <hatch> hi huwshimi
[03:53] <huwshimi> hatch: Hey
[03:53] <hatch> so what's monday looking like?
[03:53] <hatch> I'm trying to decide if I should fake sick tomorrow
[03:54] <hatch> kidding of course :P
[03:55] <huwshimi> hatch: haha.
[03:55] <hatch> I actually need some code that's on bcsaller's computer lol
[03:57] <huwshimi> hatch: That's gonna be a long drive.
[03:57] <hatch> haha you're tellin me!
[03:58] <hatch> so instead I played way to much MTG
[03:59] <huwshimi> hatch: MTG?
[03:59] <hatch> Magic The Gathering
[03:59] <huwshimi> Ah
[03:59] <hatch> bought the new planeswalker game for Android
[04:01] <hatch> it's $10 and still has in app purchases lol
[04:01] <hatch> oh and ads :/
[04:01] <hatch> ads for their own stuff mind you
[04:01] <hatch> but still ads
[04:02] <huwshimi> hatch: is that a MTG game?
[04:03] <hatch> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.stainlessgames.D14&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5zdGFpbmxlc3NnYW1lcy5EMTQiXQ..
[04:03] <hatch> ^ huwshimi I'm going to assume it's available there too
[12:33] <gary_poster> morning
[12:36] <rick_h_> morning
[12:36] <rick_h_> gary_poster: did my last reply to the icon bug report clear that up? /me goes to get the link
[12:36] <rick_h_> #1197772 is the one
[12:36] <_mup_> Bug #1197772: Weird charm icon in GUI <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197772>
[12:37] <gary_poster> thanks, haven't gotten to that in mail yet.  looking
[12:37] <rick_h_> k, no hurry. I'll bring it up on our stand up about the proof tools side of things.
[12:38] <gary_poster> rick_h_, read, got it.  so, can we treat that bug as the css issue you described?
[12:38] <rick_h_> gary_poster: well I'd like to treat it as charmworld provides poor data bug
[12:39] <rick_h_> gary_poster: otherwise we have to double up logic on 'what categories are valid' in several projects in several places
[12:39] <gary_poster> rick_h_, because the proof thing won't stop that kind of error from happening, right?  it will just inform the user?  if they don't do anything then we lose
[12:39] <rick_h_> gary_poster: well charmworld should not load known bad data on injest
[12:39] <gary_poster> oh
[12:39] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so it should either strip the categories or something
[12:39] <gary_poster> oh
[12:39] <gary_poster> ok
[12:40] <gary_poster> I'm ok with stripping the bad categories rick_h_ as a solution, yeah
[12:40] <rick_h_> so I'd like to move the bug up there. Still a bug, but not really about the icon but allowing bad categories in
[12:40] <gary_poster> sure
[12:40] <gary_poster> thanks!
[12:46] <gary_poster> rick_h_, I think I have some bugs I want to report to ecosystems and ux, but wanted to run them past you.  when I search for mysql and then filter to databases, I get no results.  It appears that mysql is not categorized as a database.  so, related bugs.  (1) ecosystems: we should categorize mysql as a database. (2) ux: we should be able to see the category of the charm when we browse it (agree?  is that already fixed in ne
[12:46] <gary_poster> w ux?  I don't think so...). Then I dug around a bit more.  If you click on a category and then do a search, you are searching within the category.  that makes sense, but you can't see anything alerting you of that in the sidebar unless you expand the filter section or look at the URL.  (3) UX: fix that <--- (agree?  is this already addressed somehow?)
[12:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so definitely think we need to audit approved charms for categories pre-launch. Those at least, should be updated.
[12:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: and for the filter UX, I really don't like the auto collapsing because of that. It's not clear what's going on, but it's what UX has requested we try out.
[12:47] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so I'm up for helping defend the user that it's a bad experience
[12:48] <rick_h_> gary_poster: in fullscreen (browse now) it's much nicer.
[12:48] <rick_h_> gary_poster: one thing we tossed out was that searching with filters/etc would require the fullscreen UX to help make it work?
[12:50] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ok, thanks.  I'll send an email about those bits to the various parties, cc-ing the juju-gui list.  you didn't reply to #2 though.  Maybe it was not clear?
[12:51] <rick_h_> gary_poster: ah, well not sure on #2. It's never really come up as categories were really only intended to help us group for the browse experience. Charms can have multiple, and they're completely optional. So display is a bit...unclear
[12:51] <rick_h_> gary_poster: issues with category are more for the charm authors to know/correct and that's more in the back end than for all users of the gui
[12:51] <rick_h_> imo and all that :)
[12:54] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack.  I thought of that but felt that, if someone were purely exploring it might be nice ("'storm'?  is that the twitter hadoop thing I read about? ...oh, no, it is a database, nevermind"). I'll leave it alone for now.
[12:58] <gary_poster> rick_h_, apache2 has no icon now.  no idea why.  maybe another thing to raise on team call?
[12:59] <rick_h_> gary_poster: last time I looked they had a bad image as their icon. It was an issue with the charm source
[13:00] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack, but can we do better on our side is the question (i.e., is this something it would be relatively easy to detect and provide a default image for?)  if it is not easy maybe a bug would be reasonable.  But I think we ought to treat an empty image as a bug in the GUI of one sort or another.
[13:01] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yea, we're still working out how we're supposed to note issues we know about to charms upstream.
[13:01] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so in this case, the svg is invalid or something. I cannot download/load it locally from the source.
[13:01] <rick_h_> gary_poster: the only 'good' way I can think to prevent this is to find some sort of svg validation/sanity check library on injest. If the icon fails, don't load it into the charmworld backend
[13:02] <rick_h_> gary_poster: in this case it's not that it's 0 bytes, named wrong, etc
[13:02] <rick_h_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/apache2/trunk/view/head:/icon.svg
[13:04] <gary_poster> rick_h_, cool, ack.  I wonder if simply trying to convert it (e.g. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/svglib/) and handling conversion errors as the sanity check would be reasonable.  I'll file a bug for the GUI side for now, and send an email to ecosystems about the immediate problem.  thanks
[13:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: well, I'd file it against charmworld
[13:04] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ah good point thanks
[13:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: that's where the convert/validate would need to be updated to occur
[13:04] <gary_poster> right
[13:32] <jcastro> gary_poster: if we need like an apache2 icon we ask alejandra's team, then I can just add it to the charm right?
[13:34] <gary_poster> jcastro, hey.  yeah, I am pretty sure you can ask alejandra's team for the icon, and I know you can just add it to the charm once you have it.  Was the previous working icon we had bad for some reason?
[13:34] <jcastro> I don't know, I could have sworn I remember seeing the feather icon in the store at some point
[13:34] <gary_poster> It was definitely there jcastro, I remember it too
[13:34] <rick_h_> yea, I thought it had an icon at some point but did it get 'updated' and removed?
[13:34] <rick_h_> can we just go back and pull the old icon from the bzr history?
[13:35] <jcastro> gary_poster: mysql category is easy, on that.
[13:35] <gary_poster> cool thanks jcastro
[13:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: make sure it's the plural please. We've got some that are invalid atm using database vs databases
[13:35] <jcastro> k
[13:36] <jcastro> category: ["databases"]
[13:36] <jcastro> is in mysql
[13:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: rgr
[13:37] <rick_h_> jcastro: orly? /me goes to look
[13:37] <jcastro> I'm looking in lp:charms/precise/mysql
[13:38] <rick_h_> categories: - databases
[13:38] <rick_h_> jcastro: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/precise/postgresql/trunk/view/head:/metadata.yaml is working in pgsql charm
[13:39] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, it's categories
[13:39] <jcastro> that format appears totally different than what I have been doing
[13:39] <rick_h_> plural plural plural
[13:39] <rick_h_> everything in the metadata is plural.
[13:39] <rick_h_> provides, requires, etc
[13:40] <jcastro> ok pushed
[13:43] <hatch> morning all
[13:53] <benji> jujugui: review ahoy! https://codereview.appspot.com/11001043
[13:53] <hatch> I'll take one
[13:53] <hatch> benji: does this branch have trunk merged in prior to proposing?
[13:53] <hatch> some of this diff looks like trunk code
[13:54] <benji> hatch: ooh, good catch; it does not.  I'll fix that right now.
[13:54] <hatch> thanks :)
[13:54] <teknico1> hatch: can I look over your shoulder? :-)
[13:55] <teknico1> hatch: I mean, how about you comment loudly what you see while you review, and I get to listen and maybe even ask questions?
[13:55] <teknico1> I guess that might count as a second review of sorts :-)
[13:56] <hatch> teknico1: heh well I don't think there will be that large of a diff
[13:56] <hatch> oh benji does this fix the drag&drop bug in FF osx?
[13:56] <benji> hatch: nope
[13:57] <hatch> ok didn't think so, just wanted to check
[13:57] <benji> (not intentionally at least)
[13:59] <teknico> otoh, today's net connection instability is not very conducive to these sorts of things :-/
[14:01] <benji> hatch: merged branch pushed
[14:01] <hatch> teknico: you think you have bad wiring... http://www.networkworld.com/gibbsblog/IW2.jpg :)
[14:01]  * benji makes an overdue coffee.
[14:01] <hatch> thanks benji
[14:01] <teknico> heh
[14:03] <hatch> benji: topology/service.js:425 where is the code that we hack the DOM to make the icon show?
[14:03]  * hatch will see if there is a better way
[14:04] <benji> hatch: app/widgets/charm-token.js:99
[14:06] <hatch> thanks
[14:07] <hatch> ohhh right that hack
[14:08] <hatch> benji: did you try setting display to none on the icon?
[14:08] <hatch> or would that have caused the dragged icon to not show up?
[14:08] <hatch> (thinking out loud)
[14:08] <benji> hatch: I don't recall.  I tried a myriad of things.
[14:09] <hatch> heh i bet :)
[14:16] <benji> hatch: "display: none" doesn't work in FF, the drag image reverts to the default
[14:16] <hatch> benji: ahh ok well thanks a lot for trying :)
[14:16] <benji> most browsers have very limiting restrictions requiring the drag image to really, truely be visible
[14:17] <hatch> yeah the spec is such a mess
[14:18] <hatch> the webdev community really needs to start relying on polyfills first to iron out the bugs before they make it into the browsers
[14:30] <abentley> sinzui: The mimetypes.guess_type function does not accept contents, just a url: http://docs.python.org/2/library/mimetypes.html
[14:31] <hatch> gary_poster: so as it turns out the position fixed idea won't work for us, and the position sticky polyfills all need to be.....modified... to work :)
[14:32] <hatch> I could fork one of them and enhance the polyfill -or- I can write a module which just absolutely positions the headers when required
[14:35] <abentley> sinzui: However, for this use case, the imghdr module should suffice.
[14:35] <sinzui> fab
[14:37] <sinzui> abentley, in the proof tool case I wanted to validate the xml, check that it is SVG, and maybe check for evidence that it uses the template
[14:38] <sinzui> abentley, The xml validation code we have in charmworld's test suite could be extracted as a helper for ingest and test
[14:39] <rick_h_> abentley: did you want to have a chat then before I go to far into this autocomplete stuff?
[14:40] <abentley> rick_h_: sure.
[14:45] <gary_poster> hatch on extended call run...trying to read...
[14:45] <hatch> gary_poster: no problem, whenever you get a chance
[14:46] <gary_poster> hatch not polyfill because it is not standard
[14:46] <gary_poster> IMO
[14:46] <gary_poster> module makes sense to me
[14:47] <hatch> that's what I was thinking - I'll see if I can extract some of the code out of the polyfills to save some dev time
[14:51] <gary_poster> +1
[14:53] <benji> hatch: will you unpack this sentence a bit for me "I believe if you use @property it will automatically pick the closest class" (from https://codereview.appspot.com/11001043/diff/4001/app/widgets/charm-token.js?column_width=80)
[14:53] <hatch> benji: sure :)
[14:54] <hatch> because you're assigning a property to the instance if you use @property <name> I believe that YUIDoc will reach out of the method and pick the closest class that it's being added too
[14:54] <hatch> so then when we look at the api docs for that class that property will be available
[14:56] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks for the reviews.
[14:56] <sinzui> np
[14:58] <abentley> sinzui: You may have been thinking of the "magic" package.  It's not part of the standard library, but I think it really should be.
[14:58] <sinzui> abentley, bingo. I was
[15:01] <hatch> gary_poster: if you noticed on the boards I haven't deleted the cards yet from the last release - wondering what the procedure was for that
[15:05] <benji> hatch: I will need an unpacking of your unpacking.  Are you propsoing I add an @property comment to the initializer (or the class)?
[15:05] <hatch> comment the this.<property> using @property <name>
[15:05] <hatch> just like you would with @method or @attribute
[15:07] <hatch> (the rest of the words after that was just explaining why I expected it to work) :)
[15:08] <Makyo> jujugui Can I get one last look at https://codereview.appspot.com/10763045 ? Has two LGTMs, but I'd like a +1 on the tests bac requested.
[15:08] <hatch> Makyo: looking
[15:08] <Makyo> hatch, cool, thanks.
[15:08] <abentley> rick_h_: Is the output of charmworld's "make doc" online anywhere?
[15:09] <benji> hatch: ah, that clears it up; thanks
[15:09] <rick_h_> abentley: no, one of those things meant to do. Just does it locally. make doc-open I think will open in a browser
[15:09] <hatch> Makyo: this diff is wako
[15:09] <abentley> rick_h_: Okay, thanks.
[15:10] <Makyo> hatch, blah, did it do that again?
[15:10] <hatch> I'll just do the tests
[15:10] <Makyo> hatch,  https://codereview.appspot.com/10763045/diff/27001/test/test_inspector_overview.js is all that was added
[15:11]  * hatch thinks there are too many people working on the same code, codereview can't keep up ;)
[15:18] <hatch> Makyo: lgtm'd
[15:18] <hatch> one q in there
[15:18] <Makyo> hatch, cheers.
[15:19] <Makyo> hatch, copied bac on that (restructured my tests to look like his since he landed first), will look into it.
[15:19] <hatch> teknico: did you ever land that branch was supposed to cache the IO requests for the json charm data? I still see them in the test-debug logs
[15:20] <hatch> Makyo: alright cool - it's probably not an issue but using real data is always going to be better of course :)
[15:20] <Makyo> Sure.
[15:21] <teknico> hatch: I'm not recalling any such branch right now, more context/timing?
[15:22] <hatch> teknico: umm a couple weeks ago - around when you were doing the test cleanup
[15:22] <hatch> maybe we talked about it but it was never implemented
[15:24] <teknico> hatch: yeah, I can't dig up anything of the sort
[15:25] <hatch> ahh ok then
[15:26] <benji> I'm looking for one more review of https://codereview.appspot.com/11001043
[15:27] <Makyo> benji, on it.
[15:27] <benji> thanks
[15:27] <gary_poster> Makyo, hatch, do you think we can steal any styling from the inspector of https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10004366/juju-gui/index.html ?  add a charm and then click on it
[15:29] <hatch> ^ doesn't work in Chrome
[15:29] <hatch> heh
[15:29] <gary_poster> hatch, Makyo sorry, yes known.  Firefox only
[15:29] <hatch> cool they have icons
[15:30] <hatch> we need those
[15:30] <Makyo> For just styling, yeah, probably.
[15:30] <hatch> yeah was going to say we could take the styles
[15:31] <hatch> I'm not sure the markup would work with what we want
[15:31] <hatch> but it could....
[15:31] <hatch> we actually know what the colour codes are using this ;)
[15:34] <hatch> darn I was hoping that service icon was an svg already :D
[15:34] <Makyo> Although that's curious, it looks like both service box SVGs are being used there.
[15:35] <hatch> holy all of this html is like super semantic
[15:35] <Makyo> Will clarify with luca before I implement.
[15:35] <hatch> I don't think I've ever seen code this semantic before
[15:38] <hatch> usually when I see prototype code (mine included) it's a bunch of divs with tons of classes lol
[15:46] <hatch> is Ben going to be in today?
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10, kanban now.
[15:51] <hatch> sometimes javascript irritates me
[15:52] <hatch> seriously why do I have to do Array.prototype.forEach.call(elements, function() { ...}); when elements is a nodelist
[15:52] <hatch> that's it! We are switching the GUI to.... to... to...
[15:52] <hatch> hmmm
[15:52] <hatch> Flash!
[15:55] <Makyo> Fiiiiired.
[15:55] <hatch> rofl
[15:55] <hatch> so that's where they draw the line eh?
[15:56] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 4
[15:57] <gary_poster> kanban now
[15:57] <gary_poster> oh sorry
[15:57] <gary_poster> already done :-)
[15:57] <gary_poster> thanks
[15:58] <rick_h_> hatch: so why do that over nodelist.each?
[15:59] <gary_poster> jujugui call now
[15:59] <gary_poster> ish
[16:00] <hatch> rick_h_: I'm using raw js
[16:00] <rick_h_> hatch: but elements is a NodeList? or something else then?
[16:00] <rick_h_> hatch: nvm, I thuoght you were saying you had a Y.NodeList
[16:00] <rick_h_> confused me
[16:01] <hatch> funny enough they are both called NodeList heh
[16:01] <hatch> so yeah it is confusing
[16:08] <hatch> bcsaller: so I should have asked if you have actually implemented that cleanup stuff yet
[16:08] <hatch> I just didn't want to duplicate work
[16:09] <bcsaller> hatch: makes sense, I have some of it done, I should be wrapping it up this morning, happy to talk about it after the call
[16:09] <hatch> sure thing
[16:49] <benji> gary_poster: who would be a good person to do pre-imp call with for "destroy controls to service inspector"
[16:50] <gary_poster> benji, jeff or ben for tech.  me for goals, but on call for another 10 min.
[16:50] <benji> gary_poster: cool; let me know when you have a minute
[16:50] <gary_poster> will do
[16:52] <hatch> gary_poster: http://jsbin.com/evehit/1/ - (prototype) it only works for the top right now but I don't foresee any issues adding the bottom as well - just scroll up and down in the scrolly box
[16:55] <gary_poster> hatch, cool.  heading 2 and 3 hide behind upper headers before they stick for me, and heading 4 pushes 1 2 3 and off.  first fixable, second intentional?
[16:57] <hatch> both fixable
[16:57] <hatch> and both unintentional :)
[16:58] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:58] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/evehit/2/
[16:58] <hatch> that should fix the second
[16:58] <hatch> the first will take a little bit more js
[16:58] <hatch> but regardless - I just wanted to confirm this was the functionality you were looking for
[16:59] <gary_poster> hatch, cool, yeah that's the right direction.  can we also not obscure the scrollbar?
[16:59] <hatch> I'm going to go with.....probably
[16:59] <hatch> :)
[17:00] <gary_poster> :-) seems important
[17:00] <hatch> agreed
[17:00] <hatch> heh ok I'll keep adding the remaining features and fixing the known bugs
[17:00] <hatch> will report back with a fully functional proto
[17:24] <hatch> writing raw js is hard
[17:24] <hatch> I keep writing YUI methods by habit
[17:24] <hatch> setStyle()
[17:24] <hatch> heh
[17:27]  * benji lunches.
[17:43] <sinzui> abentley, are you deloying/testing mongodb changes to staging?
[17:44]  * sinzui sees a mongodb database relation error
[17:48] <abentley> sinzui: No, I'm not doing anything with staging at the moment.  Got failing tests on slow-migrations-2.
[17:48] <sinzui> abentley, okay. I will kick staging
[17:57] <gary_poster> benji, whe you are ready for call I am
[17:57] <gary_poster> n
[17:58] <gary_poster> sinzui any word from IS on the GUI deployment?
[17:58] <sinzui> gary_poster, They are one person today and it is unlikely to happen
[17:59] <sinzui> I reminded then that we want to do regular deployments over the next two weeks culminating with a DNS change for OSCON
[18:00] <sinzui> I will press this issue again tomorrow morning
[18:00] <gary_poster> sinzui, ack.  Could you keep me in the emails for that?  also, what's the plan for comingsoon.jujucharms.com--those are part of the planned DNS change?
[18:01] <sinzui> I expect them to do that with this deploy or inform me that they want to treat it separately
[18:01] <sinzui> gary_poster, There is no documentation about how to deploy the gui to prodstack. I think this contributes to the delay.
[18:02] <gary_poster> sinzui, DNS change: cool
[18:02] <sinzui> I get better service when I can point webops to the OSA doc about the standard practice
[18:04] <gary_poster> sinzui, docs: dunno.  we got great service from wedgwood before.  Would it be helpful to try and dig up emails from stuff we did at the time?  Alternatively or in addition, can you draft these docs for the GUI charm, or ask us to do so?
[18:05] <sinzui> wedwood isn't a webops now. Its a new squad. Old emails or the original rt would be grand, Rt would be best since they love rt
[18:05] <gary_poster> ok lemme see what I can find
[18:06]  * sinzui ponders writing the OSA draft as a subtle prod.
[18:12] <benji> gary_poster: guichat is open
[18:15] <gary_poster> benji https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/?tab=co#folders/0B7XG_QBXNwY1dEFVSWh3TWtQOUk
[19:20] <sinzui> orangesquad: anyone have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/sane-categories/+merge/173570
[19:20] <abentley> sinzui: sure.
[19:26] <abentley> sinzui: Code looks good.  I don't understand why handling it in "proof" would harm backward compatibility.  Even if it's not an error, it could be a warning.
[19:27] <sinzui> abentley, I could be
[19:27] <abentley> sinzui: Either way, if the API wants to guarantee that only official categories pass, it must enforce sanity, because the mongodb document isn't guaranteed to be sane.
[19:28] <sinzui> abentley, I took the list from the very warning that proof uses
[19:28] <abentley> sinzui: Oh.  Then I don't understand the comment.
[19:28] <sinzui> We didn't have final sign-off on categories when proof was changed
[19:33] <abentley> sinzui: Perhaps you should update the API doc to indicate that specific categories are enforced.
[19:34] <abentley> sinzui: When you test categories, I think you should test API 2 as well.
[19:34] <sinzui> abentley, okay
[19:35] <abentley> sinzui: In fact, I wouldn't expect the old API to be affected by the change.
[19:36] <sinzui> We never promised that the categories property would be verbatim or contain rubbish
[19:36] <abentley> sinzui: No, I don't see how your changes could cause the old API to be affected.
[19:36] <sinzui> abentley, the charm's YAML can contain categories: "misc" but we always represent that as a categories: ["misc"]
[19:37] <sinzui> I see my change as a true bug fix rather than a change in contract
[19:37] <abentley> sinzui: I'm not saying your change is wrong, I'm saying I don't think it will have any impact on the old API, because the old API doesn't use the Charm model object.
[19:41] <sinzui> ah, okay
[19:53] <abentley> orangesquad: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charms/precise/charmworld/slow-migrations/+merge/173580 ?
[19:54]  * sinzui looks
[19:54] <abentley> sinzui: btw, tarmac is down and matsubara is looking into it.
[19:55] <sinzui> abentley, that's fine. I will be doing qa without apache it seems anyway
[19:55] <sinzui> abentley, Do we dare destroy our apache instance? I have given up trying to access it from the nova level
[19:56] <abentley> sinzui: I think we dare destroy it.  We will retain control of the external IP address.
[19:58] <matsubara> abentley, I had to file an RT to get the VM checked. Larry is on holiday today and he usually takes care of that for me
[20:00] <abentley> matsubara: Ack.
[20:05] <abentley> sinzui: I will do a manual merge of the charmworld branches, since Tarmac will not be ready for a while.
[20:07] <sinzui> abentley, ack
[20:16] <abentley> sinzui: Any thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charms/precise/charmworld/slow-migrations/+merge/17358 ?
[20:16] <abentley> sinzui: nm
[20:17] <gary_poster> sinzui, will you have a chance for a 15 min call in the next 45 minutes or so?
[20:18] <sinzui> I can talk now if you like
[20:20] <gary_poster> cool sinzui thanks.  guichat is free
[20:44] <hatch> arg this header thing is so frustrating
[20:57] <gary_poster> hatch, if it takes too much time we can (A) toss it to ant and see what he can give us and/or (B) push back on UX and request a cheaper initial approach
[20:57] <gary_poster> I wish I liked the look of the scroll bar more in the FF demo :-/
[21:52] <hatch> bcsaller: will review
[21:52] <bcsaller> hatch: thanks, I expect there will be some questions, if you want to talk about anything lemme know
[22:04] <hatch> bcsaller: O KAY
[22:04] <hatch> I almost have this rediculous scrolling behavior cased
[22:04] <hatch> lol
[22:04]  * hatch actually thinks it's pretty cool
[22:04] <hatch> http://jsbin.com/evehit/4/
[22:05] <hatch> header 3 and 4 'trigger' at the wrong spot however
[22:08] <gary_poster> hatch, cool :-)
[22:09] <hatch> yeah 1 and 2 work really well
[22:10] <hatch> for some reason the height calculation is off on 3 and 4
[22:15] <hatch> bzr sure put some odd diff splits in here heh
[22:18] <hatch> bcsaller: I see you moved the databinding into the view container - I remember we explicitly did not want to do that
[22:19] <hatch> are you saying now that, for all intensive purposes, required of one another?
[22:19] <bcsaller> vc state is needed to trigger some operations at the right time. We don't currently have any use-case for viewlets w/o databinding either
[22:20] <hatch> alright that's fine - I just wanted to make sure that decision was intentional
[22:21] <hatch> that databinding is one complex beast :)
[22:22] <bcsaller> its getting more complex, yes :(
[22:47] <hatch> bcsaller: review done - mostly trivial but a few larger requests
[22:47] <bcsaller> hatch: thanks, reading now
[23:03] <hatch> header calculations solved
[23:03] <hatch> bcsaller: it's my EOD so I'm stepping out for a bit but I should be back in about 15-20 if you have any q's or would like to chat about my comments
[23:04] <bcsaller> hatch: I should have the reply + changes done in that timeframe
[23:04] <huwshimi> Morning
[23:37] <hatch> bcsaller: the reply looks good - I'm going to go through it again then QA after supper then I"ll LGTM it
[23:37] <bcsaller> hatch: cool, thanks
[23:37] <hatch> afterwards I'll merge it into my branch so that I can start on that in the AM
[23:38] <hatch> I could also LGTM it now if you think you can get another review tonight :)
[23:39] <bcsaller> I don't think anyone that can do it is still around
[23:39] <hatch> alright np :) after supper it is
[23:39] <hatch> talk to you in the am


[05:56] <Riddell> dudes: kubuntu meeting 5th, 21:00
[10:47] <xyr> lol
[10:47] <xyr> What's the purpose of this channel?>
[10:53] <robitaille> xyr:  it is mostly for the editors of the fridge.ubuntu.com  site
[10:53] <xyr> Oh, thans.
[10:53] <xyr> Thought it was a joke :P


[04:23] <grantbow> So, why isn't every desktop running openstack? I've tried to get the config going on my machine but I'm having trouble.
[04:26] <grantbow> I am listening to this right now after a quick google search for "openstack desktop" http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/openstack-summit-sessions/presentation/cloudifying-virtual-desktops-how-openstack-can-reduce-the-cost-and-complexity-of-virtual-desktops
[04:26] <darthrobot> Title: [OpenStack Summit Sessions » OpenStack Open Source Cloud Computing Software]
[04:26] <geofft> I have opinions on this subject!
[04:27] <geofft> (I work for a company that does locally-hosted virtual desktops)
[04:27] <geofft> (because cloud-hosted virtual desktops suck e.g. as soon as you step into a plane)
[04:28] <geofft> I do (naturally) think having every desktop run a hypervisor is a very reasonable direction for things to go.
[04:32] <grantbow> hi geofft
[04:32] <tedski> geofft: openstack isn't really a desktop thing
[04:32] <tedski> geofft: also, if you're in northern california, there's an openstack talk at the SFLUG meeting
[04:33] <geofft> Yeah, OpenStack strikes me as the wrong way to do this
[04:33] <geofft> tedski: I'm planning on showing up! I do separately care about server virtualization
[04:33] <tedski> cool! see you there!
[04:39] <grantbow> I helped line up the speaker for balug.org on Tuesday :-)
[04:44] <grantbow> Stefano Maffulli is the community manager of OpenStack.org
[04:44] <grantbow> but I can't get it working well on my machine for my desktop, lol
[05:11] <grantbow> so geofft and tedski, have you tried different setups?
[05:13] <geofft> for running openstack on a desktop?
[05:14] <geofft> with my work hat off, all I've played with is kvm, which works pretty well
[05:15] <grantbow> that's what I've setup - you installed an x server in your host?
[05:16] <grantbow> I haven't installed x yet
[05:19] <geofft> wait, I misunderstood -- I thought you were asking about the desktop case?
[05:19] <geofft> as in graphical desktop? kvm is what I use on my laptop
[05:21] <grantbow> I am thinking of the desktop case but was trying to run the host without X and only the client OS with X but I don't think I can do that.
[05:21] <grantbow> s/client/guest/
[05:21] <geofft> ah, that's theoretically doable but in practice not what you want
[05:21] <geofft> you'd have to pass through the entire video card to the guest
[05:22] <geofft> and basically lose all ability to interact with the host otherwise
[05:22] <geofft> the guest drivers think they own the hardware, and will get confused if you switch back and forth
[05:23] <grantbow> yeah
[05:23] <grantbow> for anyone following along, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_virtualization is descriptive
[05:23] <darthrobot> Title: [Desktop virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[05:24] <grantbow> I was trying to keep the host minimal but it needs x
[05:25] <geofft> yeah
[05:26] <geofft> for work we actually install gnome-session, a custom WM, pulseaudio, etc.
[05:26] <geofft> especially if it's a laptop, power management is nice.
[05:29] <grantbow> gnome-desktop-environment should be ok
[05:29] <grantbow> so many darn dependencies
[05:30] <grantbow> 1022 packages
[05:30] <grantbow> so much crap
[05:30] <geofft> yeahhh
[05:30] <geofft> it's possible to strip that down and get GDM + session but not any applets
[05:31] <geofft> but even so it's still big
[05:31] <grantbow> trying to keep the host simple isn't simple
[05:32] <grantbow> it's not going to use all that on the host, just in the guests
[05:34] <grantbow> xserver-common or xserver-common-lts-quantal, hmm, probably the latter.
[05:36] <grantbow> and xfs and xserver
[05:37] <grantbow> err, xfs and xserver-xorg-lts-quantal but those bring in another 64 packages of video servers I will never use
[05:38]  * grantbow shrugs and installs
[05:39] <geofft> haha
[05:39] <geofft> you don't really need to install -all
[05:40] <grantbow> the x dependencies are just a little heavy is all. it's just disk I guess
[05:42] <grantbow> hmm, kernel 3.5 just came in too. uname -a says 3.2.0-38 up to now.
[05:42] <geofft> that gets pulled in by the -lts-quantal hardware enablemenet stack
[05:42] <grantbow> as long as it works
[05:42] <geofft> since support for newer gfx cards want both kernel and Xorg patches
[05:43] <grantbow> from here gdm says it wants 502 dependencies along with it, lol
[05:43] <grantbow> crap crap crap
[05:43] <geofft> re disk space, work fits the host + VMware Player + a VM running chromium on a CD with squashfs
[05:43] <grantbow> lightdm wants 229
[05:44] <grantbow> nice
[05:44] <geofft> so uncompressed I'd expect you to only need a gigabyte and change
[05:44] <geofft> we do trim /usr/share/doc etc., but nothing drastic
[05:44] <grantbow> yeah, the time to trim is annoying though
[05:49] <grantbow> hmm, it's after 10:30. I was hoping to get a call before then.
[05:50] <grantbow> which wm do you use?
[05:51] <grantbow> a custom one at work?
[05:53] <grantbow> I'll try lxde first
[05:54] <grantbow> for the host
[05:55] <geofft> we have a custom WM that subclasses Mutter
[05:55] <geofft> mostly so that it can force VMs to go full-screen and do some other config
[05:55] <grantbow> cool
[05:55] <geofft> I've seen tiling WMs used to good effect here
[05:56] <geofft> I already use xmonad on my personal machines, so it works well
[05:56] <grantbow> lxde defaults to openbox
[06:00] <grantbow> almost there. lightdm is ok but I think it's looking for mutter
[06:09] <grantbow> damn network manager getting in the way
[06:23] <grantbow> disabled in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf "managed=false" and /etc/network/interfaces "iface wlan0 inet manual"
[06:26] <grantbow> aha, selecting an lxde session did the trick
[06:26] <grantbow> from the lightdm login window
[20:36] <MarkDude> grantbow: ping
[22:48] <grantbow> MarkDude: pong
[23:33] <MarkDude> Hey G, trying to figure out where to ask, that package is "web/django app thingy" so arm is secondary it sounds like


[05:37] <Mikaela> has the bind upgrade been installed by the way? according to email my VPS did unattended-upgrades while I was sleeping and I don't remember was unattended-upgrades talked about more than that I hoped for it to be enabled for the old server
[05:38] <Mikaela> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates


[00:32] <calc> bdmurray: ping
[00:32] <bdmurray> calc: howdy
[00:33] <calc> bdmurray: hey what ever happened to the new graph layout that was shown at the sprint?
[00:33] <bdmurray> calc: this one? http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/openoffice.org
[00:34] <calc> bdmurray: cool, is it being updated regularly now?
[00:34] <stgraber> yeah
[00:34] <stgraber> every 30min IIRC
[00:34] <bdmurray> yep, there's lots of good stuff there too
[00:34] <bdmurray> like bugs w/ patches ... resolved uptream, etc
[00:35] <stgraber> (that's how often the cron job on kumquat is supposed to run, maybe the one on people.u.c doesn't run that often)
[00:35] <calc> is there a daily version of the graph?
[00:35] <bdmurray> calc: the triaging one?
[00:37] <calc> yea
[00:37] <bdmurray> calc: they are all in http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/openoffice.org/plots/
[00:38] <bdmurray> look for triaging or fixing
[00:38] <calc> bdmurray: well a daily version of what is shown on the qapkgstatus page (all on one graph but daily)
[00:38] <calc> ahh i see now
[00:38] <calc>  :)
[00:46] <bdmurray> ogasawara: what's the reboot kernel option?
[00:46] <ogasawara> bdmurray: reboot=b
[00:46] <bdmurray> when booting right?
[00:47] <maco> thats for bios reboot
[00:47] <maco> there are 4 different letters that can go after reboot= i think
[00:47] <ogasawara> maco:  correct, there are a few options you can use
[00:47] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'm assuming you were wanting the option I was using with that Dell Dimension 9200 reboot bug I fixed?
[00:48] <bdmurray> ogasawara: Yeah, I was curious for bug 70793
[00:48] <ogasawara> bdmurray: and yes, it's a kernel boot param
[00:49] <bdmurray> ogasawara: so if reboot=b works it could be quirked (for jaunty) right?
[00:50] <ogasawara> bdmurray: possibly.  however, the primary reboot quirks were for Dells
[00:50] <bdmurray> hmm, okay
[00:51] <ogasawara> bdmurray: actually I take that back, there is one HP quick I see
[00:51] <ogasawara> bdmurray: but for HP Compaq
[00:51] <ogasawara> s/quick/quirk/
[00:52] <bdmurray> Alright, I'll ask them to test
[02:01] <csilk> Anyone around, I gotta quick changelog question
[02:01] <csilk> motu is dead
[02:02] <nhandler> csilk: What is your question?
[02:02] <lifeless> win goto #gnome-hackers
[02:03] <charlie-tca> Could I have Importance changed to low for Bug #283953 please?
[02:03] <csilk> the default changelog entry from dh_make is  * Initial release (Closes: #nnnn)   whereas one part of the wiki says I should do this >  * Initial Ubuntu package (LP: #242910)
[02:03] <csilk> Which one is standard for a new package?
[02:04] <csilk> obviously # is a variable
[02:05] <nhandler> The wording is not important. Just be sure you use LP: #NNNNNN instead of closes: #NNNNNN
[02:05] <nhandler> So the wiki is correct
[02:06] <csilk> nhandler, does this only apply to new packages or would this extend to features and bug fixes?
[02:06] <nhandler> (LP: #NNNNNN) is the syntax used to close bugs on Launchpad. (closes: #NNNNNN) is used in Debian to close bugs on the BTS
[02:07] <csilk> Thanks nhandler
[02:07] <nhandler> No problem csilk
[02:07] <csilk> That should probably be included in the main part of the packagin wiki entry
[02:07] <csilk> *packaging
[02:08] <nhandler> csilk: I'm not positive, but I am pretty sure that it is explained in some wiki page.
[02:09] <csilk> nhandler,  yeah it is but it's really obscure
[02:10] <nhandler> csilk: I'm probably not the best person to talk to about wiki issues. I would ask some other MOTUs what they think, and if they agree that it should be explained in more detail on the packaging guide, go ahead and add it in.
[02:10] <csilk> Ok cool
[02:39] <julian> hello all...new here would like to know how I can help?
[02:41] <persia> julian, Well, there's quite a few bugs outstanding, and reviewing them to make sure they have enough information to be fixed can be very helpful.
[02:42] <persia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=New&field.importance%3Alist=Undecided&search=Search is a list of those that nobody has reviewed yet.
[02:42] <julian> ok, thanks will take a look.
[02:42] <persia> Ask here if you have any questions, and if you run out, there are other things that could also be done :)
[02:44] <julian> ok
[02:46] <charlie-tca> Could I have Importance changed to low for Bug #283953 please?
[02:46] <charlie-tca> It's taken me months to confirm it.
[02:53] <hggdh> charlie-tca, it was already changed
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[05:49] <dholbach> good morning
[05:53] <julian> morning all
[05:55] <maco> dholbach: five-a-day did something broken when it updated
[05:55] <maco> dholbach: and arent you up really early?
[05:56] <dholbach> maco: yes, Mimi's alarm clock went off at 5:30 and I couldn't get back to sleep... so here I am :)
[05:56] <dholbach> maco: what went broken?
[05:56] <maco> ah, i was going to say, this isnt even late here yet
[05:56] <maco> five-a-day and five-a-day-applet tried to update
[05:57] <Hobbsee> wow, 9th contributor for the last 7 days.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> I should do some more on that
[05:57] <maco> Setting up five-a-day (0.58~hardy1) ...
[05:57] <maco> pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files
[05:57] <maco> pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files
[05:57] <dholbach> maco: interesting
[05:58] <dholbach> I'm not sure though what I can do in five-a-day to work around that
[05:58] <dholbach> let me get another opinion
[05:58] <dholbach> maco: I just pinged doko about it in #ubuntu-devel
[05:58] <dholbach> could well be that he's not up for quite a while
[06:06] <maco> ok
[06:26] <dholbach> maco: could it be that you have local files?
[06:29] <maco> dholbach: um, i have my ~/.5-a-day-maco/
[06:29] <maco> dholbach: do i have to delete that to install the update?
[06:29] <dholbach> maco: no
[06:30] <dholbach> did you manually install or change any of the files listed in  /var/lib/dpkg/info/five-a-day*.list ?
[06:31] <chipr> I've reported a bug that breaks intrepid upgrades, but it isn't being responded to.  Is there any mechanism to escalate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dokuwiki/+bug/270701
[06:31] <maco> dholbach: no
[06:32] <chipr> what can be done?  hate to see intrepid upgrades start breaking
[06:33] <dholbach> chipr: I added an update-manager task
[07:11] <chipr> How do I find the source to a package?  I'm reading HowToFix and it shows downloading the xicc_0.2-2.dsc source, but doesn't show how it found the URL to it.
[07:11] <maco> chipr: apt-get source <package>
[07:34] <thekorn_> good morning
[07:37] <maco> hi
[07:38] <maco> thekorn: dholbach doesn't know why, but the newest five-a-day refuses install, saying pkginstall: not overwriting local files...but i havent edited any system files related to five-a-day, just my my ~/.5-a-day-maco.m/*
[07:38] <maco> do you have any idea?
[07:45] <thekorn> maco: well, I've no clue, he is the packaging expert ;)
[07:53] <csilk> is this a virtual package http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libgtkglext1 ?
[07:57] <csilk> wonr chan
[07:57] <csilk> *wrong channel
[07:59] <maco> thekorn: oh right...haha i was thinking it could have something to do with code, but yeah..forgot he was the packaging guru
[09:09] <danage> before i enter a bug report for network manager, i want to reset its configuration. where do i do that?
[09:10] <danage> ok never mind found it
[09:23] <danage> can someone help me triage this bug? did i make the bug report correctly? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/286859
[09:46] <danage> i would like to report a bug in network manager, but i am not sure whether it's ath9k or nm related. nm keeps asking me for the key. can someone help me?
[10:48] <danage> i would like to report a bug in network manager, but i am not sure whether it's ath9k or nm related. nm keeps asking me for the key. can someone help me?
[10:48] <danage> help me= help me post a proper bug report
[10:49] <persia> danage, In the absence of anyone providing you with guidance, I'd suggest either waiting about 6 hours and asking again, or filing a bug with what you know.
[10:49] <persia> Someone triaging the bug will ask the right questions.
[10:58] <danage> persia: thanks. especially with this bug i have no clue on what additional information i should post
[10:59] <persia> I'd probably post .xsession-errors /var/log/syslog, dmesg, and lspci -vvnn, but that's just a loose guess based on it being maybe something with nm and maybe something with the driver.
[13:00] <Woody86> g'morning everyone :)
[13:15] <ibbuntu> what package should a bug about a default theme be placed under?
[13:16] <persia> ibbuntu, Which flavour?
[13:17] <persia> Alternately, which theme?
[13:17] <ibbuntu> persia: it's the ubuntu 'High Contrast Inverse' theme
[13:19] <persia> ibbuntu, I think that's gnome-themes
[13:20] <ibbuntu> ok, thanks
[13:20] <persia> Wait, no.
[13:22] <persia> It's gnome-accessibility-themes.  Sorry for the confusion.
[13:22] <ibbuntu> ok, thanks, I couldn't find an "ubuntu-themes" package in launchpad
[13:25] <ibbuntu> well that concludes my first ever triaging of a bug, hopefully I'll do many more :)
[13:43] <jrib> Hi, is there a list of tags somewhere?  I'm reporting a ftbfs bug and am wondering if I should just put [ftbfs] in the title or add the ftbfs tag
[13:47] <persia> jrib, You could add the FTBFS tag.  I don't know if anyone searches that : most of the ftbfs hunting I see is from http;//qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[13:47] <persia> (and that works better with a :)
[13:49] <jrib> I was wondering why I couldn't click
[13:50] <persia> Yeah, typo.
[13:51] <jrib> persia: this has me asking why the package I want to report is not listed there.  It's python-webkitgtk
[13:52] <Pici> jrib: When did it fail to build? That page looks like its updated daily (see footer)
[13:52] <jrib> It fails because of the version of python-gtk2-dev,  I made a bug upstream about it: http://code.google.com/p/pywebkitgtk/issues/detail?id=19
[13:52] <jibel> jrib: Hi, you can find a list of tags at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags .
[13:52] <jrib> Pici: I believe I noticed on friday.  At least more than one day
[13:53] <jrib> jibel: thanks, not sure how I missed that :)
[13:53] <persia> jrib, Looks like it was last rebuilt in August, so the dependencies changed.  We don't catch that so well yet.
[13:54] <jrib> persia: ah, ok
[14:09] <jrib> How can I link bug 286965 with http://code.google.com/p/pywebkitgtk/issues/detail?id=19 ?  What magic button must I click?
[14:10] <jrib> I'm on edge by the way
[14:10] <charlie-tca> I usually use the "Also affects project" under the yellow line
[14:11] <jrib> charlie-tca: Do I just make up my own project then?  I thought there was some text field that just let me enter a url at some point
[14:13] <charlie-tca> That normally does. If it doesn't, I add it to the comments since upstream may not be in launchpad
[14:41] <alexmax> Hi there, I believe I found an issue with package mnogo-client.  It refuses to automatically configure itself because mysql says that when I try to configure it, it's not actually sending it a password, even if I specify a password in the installation script.
[14:42] <alexmax> I was told that someone in here might be able to help me verify this
[14:42] <snap-l> Checking to see what mnogo-client is. :)
[14:43] <alexmax> actually, wrong package
[14:43] <alexmax> it's either mnogosearch-client or mnogosearch-mysql
[14:44] <snap-l> hardy or intrepid?
[14:44] <alexmax> hh
[14:45] <alexmax> The step it seems to trip over itself on is the step that offers to automatically configure itself with mysql
[14:45] <alexmax> It tosses a MySQL driver: #1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[14:45] <snap-l> Is there a bug filed?
[14:45] <alexmax> No, but I was wanting to make sure that I was running into a bug and not overlooking something
[14:46] <snap-l> Looks like a bug, since it doesn't create the database
[14:46] <alexmax> Yeah, i get that exact error if I use a console and mysql --user=root
[14:46] <snap-l> Setting up mnogosearch-common (3.3.6-1ubuntu0.1) ...
[14:46] <snap-l> '/usr/share/mnogosearch/tables/mysql/drop.blob.sql' dbtype=2 dbmode=6
[14:46] <snap-l> SQL>'DROP TABLE url'
[14:46] <snap-l> {../../src/sqldbms.c:2269} Query: DROP TABLE url
[14:46] <snap-l> MySQL driver: #1049: Unknown database 'mnogosearch'
[14:46] <snap-l> So it's a config bug
[14:47] <alexmax> I'm not sure that's the problem.  Scroll down a bit and see if it gives you Access Denied
[14:47] <snap-l> It doesn't, because the user I selected has create authority
[14:48] <alexmax> The user i specify is root, yet it says that Access is denied
[14:48] <alexmax> because of lack of password
[14:48] <alexmax> even though I send it a password
[14:48] <snap-l> That's a separate issue.
[14:48] <alexmax> Maybe it uses a different script for each 'type'.  Did you select blob, multi, or single?
[14:48] <snap-l> I selected blob
[14:49] <alexmax> And you're using 3.3.6-1ubuntu0.1?
[14:51] <snap-l> Yep
[15:05] <alexmax> Bug submitted
[15:06] <mvo> jibel: thanks for your work on update-manager bug triage \o/
[15:06] <alexmax> It doesn't really matter in the end.  I just wanted to fool around with it, however this search is eventually going to end up on a RHEL 5 box and I don't think they have a package for it, so I'm going to have to figure out how to compile the thing manually anyway.  Thanks for your help
[15:12] <snap-l> alexmax: NP. It looks like it may be a simple fix to get it fully automated.
[15:35] <jibel> mvo: Thank you.
[15:36] <danage> i would like to report a bug in network manager, but i am not sure whether it's ath9k or nm related. nm keeps asking me for the key. can someone help me? (help me= help me post a proper bug report)
[15:37] <azimout> danage: which key are you being asked for? the keyring key, or the wifi key?
[15:39] <danage> um... the wifi key.
[15:45] <azimout> this is not a bug. it is possible for the network manager to save the wifi key in the gnome keyring...
[15:46] <azimout> however, if you do that, you will still be asked for the gnome keyring master password each time you login...
[15:48] <azimout> have a look here:
[15:48] <azimout> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo#Avoiding%20password%20nagging
[15:51] <azimout> is this what you were looking for?
[15:59] <Bit_Breaker> hi all
[16:00] <danage> azimout: thanks for that, but it was NEVER an issue for me before
[16:00] <danage> network manager would just connect to the network, no problem
[16:01] <danage> it only came with my new wifi card
[16:02] <azimout> if i'm not mistaken, old network managers saved the password in a file in your home folder in plaintext => security issues
[16:02] <danage> old = 0.6
[16:02] <danage> ?
[16:02] <azimout> now it's saved in encrypted for in network manager
[16:03] <azimout> i meant in gnome keyring
[16:03] <danage> yes
[16:03] <danage> BUT the password is already IN THE BOX when it pops up
[16:03] <danage> it cannot be on purpose, this?
[16:13] <rrittenhouse> th
[16:13] <rrittenhouse> er
[16:14] <Bit_Breaker> im am new . do i get a hug if i triage as well
[16:15] <azimout> danage: can you please look into seahorse (applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys)?
[16:15] <azimout> check if the wifi key is under the tab "passwords" or not
[16:20] <ichthyoboy> Hi all...here to help out with the Hug Day
[16:21] <Bit_Breaker> hi
[16:21] <Bit_Breaker> this is so cool
[16:22] <Bit_Breaker> i was told that there are iso files available that re-create some of the bugs.
[16:22] <Bit_Breaker> can someone point me in the right direction
[16:22] <bdmurray> Bit_Breaker: some bugs can be recreated using the Live CD.
[16:23] <Bit_Breaker> oh ok thanks bdmurray
[16:24] <danage> azimout: yes, it is
[16:24] <bdmurray> The iso that you want probably depends on the bug report
[16:25] <bdmurray> Bit_Breaker: Is there a particular bug you are looking at?
[16:26] <Bit_Breaker> im looking at Low/Medium bugs now
[16:26] <Bit_Breaker> i wanted to re-create them in a VM
[16:26] <danage> azimout: i deleted them all now, see what happens
[16:26] <bdmurray> What virtualization software are you using?
[16:26] <Bit_Breaker> i am not looking at any specific bug
[16:26] <Bit_Breaker> VirtualBox
[16:27] <ichthyoboy> question: how do you mark a bug as wishlist?
[16:28] <azimout> danage: anyways, i have to admit i don't have much experience in this
[16:28] <bdmurray> ichthyoboy: you use the importance drop down - by the way only members of bug control can set importance
[16:28] <charlie-tca> ichthyoboy: mark it confirmed and then request it here
[16:28] <ichthyoboy> bdmurray: thanks
[16:28] <danage> azimout: now it doesn't connect at all
[16:28] <danage> ah man, this sucks
[16:29] <azimout> but any problems you might have are definitely network-manager/gnome-keyring/seahorse related, and not driver-related (i.e. ath9k)
[16:29] <ichthyoboy> charlie-tca: thanks
[16:29] <danage> azimout: ok
[16:29] <danage> bdmurray: can you connect me with someone who can help me fetch the necessary information to file a network manager bug
[16:30] <bdmurray> danage: Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager insufficient?
[16:30] <Bit_Breaker> Can i confirm a bug if its similar to what some else is experiencing
[16:31] <danage> bdmurray: this is wonderful, didn't know it existed. thank you
[16:31] <bdmurray> Bit_Breaker: bugs can sometimes have the same symptoms but different root causes.  So similarity really depends on the type of bug.
[16:33] <mrooney> bdmurray: do you know if bug 274995 is on anyone's radar? I also am not sure what importance to give it, probably Medium?
[16:34] <Bit_Breaker> this is the bug i am refering to
[16:34] <Bit_Breaker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/244405
[16:34] <Bit_Breaker> i just changed it to confirmed .
[16:34] <Bit_Breaker> Was  i wrong to do so?
[16:35] <danage> bdmurray: Oct 21 17:33:03 Computer kernel: [ 8374.908084] wlan0: authentication with AP 00:1f:3f:13:d2:ec timed out
[16:35] <danage> i guess the wiki page _is_ insufficient
[16:37] <bdmurray> Bit_Breaker: I don't think is sufficient information to set it to Confirmed.
[16:38] <ichthyoboy> bug #262506 should be marked as wishlist
[16:39] <Bit_Breaker> ok sry about that
[16:39] <thekorn> Bit_Breaker: and please do not assigne to a bugreport, this means you are working on it, you probably want to subscribe
[16:39] <Bit_Breaker> yes i see that now
[16:40] <Bit_Breaker> sry again
[16:40] <bdmurray> Its easy to fix and not a big deal. ;)
[16:40] <Bit_Breaker> cool!! :-)
[16:42] <danage> bdmurray: so do you perhaps know someone i could talk to
[16:42] <danage> broken wifi is... bad
[16:44] <bdmurray> mrooney: that bug seems like it might contain multiple issues
[16:51] <bdmurray> ichthyoboy: wishlisted - thanks
[16:55] <mrooney> anyone aware of a dupe for bug 287040?
[16:57] <Bit_Breaker> Had to reboot
[17:12] <ichthyoboy> bug #177882 should be marked as either wishlist or low (probably low)
[17:14] <bdmurray> ichthyoboy: Have you tested that at all?  Shift+F10 behaved the desired way for me
[17:17] <ichthyoboy> just did, and it works as expected for me as well.  Should it be reset to new, and ask for followup?
[17:18] <bdmurray> ichthyoboy: well, incomplete but yes that sounds best to me
[17:18] <ichthyoboy> bdmurray: ok..will do.
[17:18] <bdmurray> ichthyoboy: thanks!
[17:19] <ichthyoboy> bdmurray: No problem...glad to be able to help a little bit!
[17:21] <danage> bdmurray: i have tried from a live cd now - same problem. also, sporadically it does connect. when it does, no data can get transmitted. i DO however get an ip - dns doesn't work, transfers don't work. over wired internet everything is fine
[17:21] <danage> *wired lan
[17:22] <bdmurray> danage: which live cd and which network driver?
[17:22] <danage> nightly live cd downloaded 2 hours ago, network driver ath9k for wlan and e1000 for lan lan
[17:23] <bdmurray> Do you have linux-backports-modules installed?  I think that has a newer wireless driver
[17:25] <ichthyoboy> Would bug #280975 apply mainly to upstream sources (i.e., firefox, konqueror, opera, etc.)
[17:27] <danage> bdmurray: let me try. thanks
[17:38] <danage> bdmurray: no luck. even though it behaves slightly different
[17:38] <danage> e.g. my wireless led comes alive
[17:39] <danage> bdmurray: would you recomment i just wait and see what happens - i am probably not knowledgeable enough to support with valuable debug information
[17:41] <Bit_Breaker> what is the bug # to the issue that you guys are refering to
[17:46] <niadh> this bug looks like it can be checked off the days todo list, can someone confirm?
[17:46] <niadh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/281940
[17:53] <danage> asac: ping
[17:55] <asac> danage: just ask please
[17:56] <greg-g> contentless pings!
[17:56] <greg-g> ;)
[17:56] <danage> i have seen you have been active in some of the bugs i am encountering
[17:56] <danage> in 259157 there seem to be different issues confused
[18:21] <calc> i found a bug in launchpad relating to bugs :\
[18:21] <calc> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/216995
[18:21] <calc> it claims this bug is pending_bugwatch
[18:30] <calc> i now have OOo above 80% bug watched :)
[18:30] <calc> shooting for 90% in the next couple days
[18:31] <james_w> nice
[18:34]  * calc streamlined his bug links to get work done more efficiently
[18:34] <calc> some of my auto responses in greasemonkey keep disappearing probably due to firefox crashes i guess :\
[18:35] <thekorn> 5
[18:39] <bdmurray> james_w: bug 286172 doesn't seem the same as your at upgrade one
[18:39] <james_w> hey bdmurray
[18:40]  * mvo can't beliefe that "at" fails to restart
[18:40] <james_w> bdmurray: I started using the lp-gm scripts, but a couple of things don't work, do they all work for you?
[18:40] <bdmurray> james_w: which couple? there are a lot of scripts to keep track of ;)
[18:40] <james_w> but yeah, I agree it's different
[18:41] <james_w> bdmurray: the karma points are always 0, though I get the team logos
[18:41] <james_w> bdmurray: and the tag links don't do anything
[18:41] <bdmurray> james_w: on edge?
[18:41] <james_w> yeah
[18:42] <asomething> the karma points script works here, on edge as well
[18:51] <calc> 27 bugs left to green status :)
[18:51]  * calc notes properly upstreaming OOo bugs is a pita
[18:52] <calc> have to test on 3 different versions, then determine which upstream to send it to
[18:53]  * calc wishes sun could just get along with novell and be more open
[19:21] <jwendell> didrocks, ping
[19:22] <didrocks> jwendell: pong
[19:23] <jwendell> didrocks, why do you think vino 2.24.1 fixed bug 264315?
[19:23] <didrocks> hum, let me see
[19:23] <didrocks> oh, I tested it
[19:24] <didrocks> I see something similar in the NEWS file
[19:24] <didrocks> and decided to test it on my intrepid VM
[19:25] <jwendell> didrocks, actually they're different issues
[19:25] <jwendell> very different
[19:26] <didrocks> jwendell: hum, I misunderstand maybe the description
[19:26] <didrocks> but the description told that the new port was not taken into account, no?
[19:27] <didrocks> oh
[19:27] <didrocks> lower or higher :/
[19:27] <didrocks> sorry, didn't remembered that
[19:27] <didrocks> I just tested changed it around 5900
[19:27] <didrocks> so, the bug is not closed… sorry :/
[19:28] <didrocks> jwendell: I reopen it right now
[19:28] <jwendell> didrocks, ok
[19:30] <didrocks> jwendell: done, bug #
[19:30] <didrocks> bug #264315
[19:30] <jwendell> didrocks, did you confirm the bug?
[19:30] <jwendell> are you sure?
[19:38] <didrocks> jwendell: sorry, I was away
[19:38] <didrocks> jwendell: yes, that's still the case
[19:38] <jwendell> ok then
[19:38] <didrocks> (from the bug I was first thinking that it was not taken into account IN this range)
[19:38] <didrocks> but out of it, it was normal to not have it taken into account
[19:40] <jwendell> I would close it as 'not a bug', but...
[19:43] <didrocks> jwendell: hum, people now what they do if they assign such a port value, no?
[19:43] <didrocks> s/now/know
[19:44] <jwendell> :P
[19:44] <jwendell> they should, at leat
[19:44] <jwendell> least
[19:45] <didrocks> (some hope on human being, please ^^)
[21:11] <cerrigno> hello
[21:12] <cerrigno> i need a help
[21:13] <cerrigno> i've reported a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powernowd/+bug/286264
[21:14] <cerrigno> i don't knok if it's a bug, but 8.04 works properly (64-bit). 8.10 not.
[21:14] <cerrigno> 64-bit, of course
[21:15] <cerrigno> in italian ubuntu forum somebody has said that it can depend on my ati video card
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> cerrigno - you say it works if you select 'safe graphics mode', which means that the powernowd thing is probably a red herring
[21:16] <cerrigno> now i'm trying to download 32-bit version of last beta.
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> what is more likely is that the Xserver is failing for some reason and that is just the message you see
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> when you boot, try switching to a console with CTRL+ALT+F1.
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> if that is successful, have a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:18] <cerrigno> mmm in other words (i'm not so pratic): i just try to boot pressing ctrl alt f1 while it is loading ubuntu?
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> use CTRL+ALT+F1 when it appears to stop booting
[21:21] <cerrigno> ok
[21:22] <cerrigno> because, after i see ubuntu logo with orange bar below, it turns to black screen with white text. when it turns to black screen with white text i press ctrl alt f1. it should start anyway?
[21:24] <cerrigno> however, even if it is not a bug, it's very strange that on 8.04 there is not this problem
[21:26] <cerrigno> don't you think it?
[21:29] <cerrigno> chrisccoulson
[21:38] <cerrigno> chrisccoulson: now, the notebook is blocked on "Loading, please wait..."
[21:38] <cerrigno> after my CTRL + ALT + F1 press
[21:38] <cerrigno> it's a long process?
[21:41] <cerrigno> ideas?
[21:45] <cerrigno> now i try with 32bit package.
[21:45] <cerrigno> anybody has other ideas?
[21:48] <cerrigno> ?
[22:06] <azimout> question: does anyone have any clues about which source package should be assigned to this bug?
[22:06] <azimout> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/253546
[22:10] <bdmurray> azimout: It possibly shouldn't be a bug report but ubuntu-meta seems like a fine location since there is one.
[22:11] <azimout> fine
[22:28] <azimout> quick question: what's the difference between packages linux-source and linux-ports-source?
[22:28] <azimout> their description seems the same
[22:29] <azimout> and linux-ports-source depends on linux-ports-source-2.6.25
[22:29] <azimout> are these packages obsolete?
[22:32] <calc> bdmurray: i think graphing some of the information from +upstreamreport might be useful as well
[22:32] <calc> bdmurray: currently if you are working on filing bugs upstream it doesn't really show up on the graph so it might seem as nothing is getting done
[22:32] <bdmurray> calc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/PackageStatusPages/Feedback
[22:32] <calc> ah ok :)
[22:33] <calc> i see its already on the list :)
[22:33] <bdmurray> wouldn't the bugs forwarded upstream number increase?
[22:34] <calc> hmm?
[22:34] <bdmurray> in the bug info part on the lhs
[22:34] <calc> well yes, but the graph doesn't split out the difference between triaged - ubuntu bugs, pending_bugwatch, and upstream
[22:35] <calc> which is the bit that i think would be of some use, if it didn't make the graph unreadable
[22:35] <bdmurray> got it
[22:35] <calc> i'll update that line item on the feedback
[22:35] <bdmurray> thanks
[22:35] <calc> at that point you can pretty much track all useful bug changes (i think?)
[22:36] <calc> er track via the graph i mean
[22:37] <bdmurray> azimout: yes, I think linux-ports-source is obsolete but I'm not positive
[22:38] <azimout> should i file a bug report about it, and assign to the kernel team?
[22:40] <bdmurray> I'm sorry about it how?
[22:41] <bdmurray> azimout: actually it was last uploaded yesterday
[22:41] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ports-meta
[22:42] <azimout> i understand now.... thanks for clarifying...
[23:41] <jrib> Can anyone confirm for me that the build still fails after applying the debdiff in bug 286965?
[23:52] <chrisccoulson> jrib - just trying it now
[23:52] <jrib> chrisccoulson: thanks
[23:53] <bdmurray> hggdh: you rock!
[23:54] <hggdh> bdmurray, I humbly thank you, sir -- but what did I do?
[23:54] <hggdh> and, of course, you rock more :-)
[23:54] <bdmurray> I saw you had modified some bug descriptions with 'test case' and 'latest version tested'
[23:55] <hggdh> ah yes... I am trying to answer a join request, and used it to add them in
[23:55] <hggdh> trying to get the improved description in use...
[23:56] <charlie-tca> What's the page those are on the wiki? I saw them once and couldn't find them again
[23:57] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[23:58] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: I'm actually looking at your application now wrt bug 217900 are you saying gnome-eject doesn't work in Hardy if the drive is empty?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> If the cd is in the drive, you can't eject from the command line
[23:59] <charlie-tca> I don't think it's gnome-eject, but exo-eject. are they the same?