[00:19] <valorie> Riddell: something weird with that task
[00:19] <valorie> looks like you didn't save/submit yet
[00:19] <valorie> and I can't submit it
[00:19] <valorie> soee_: I wrote a rough draft, thanks for reminding me
[00:19] <valorie> I'll polish that and send
[07:36] <bukai> Riddell: Hi
[08:03] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: good morning
[08:03] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: good morning :)
[08:04] <ovidiu-florin> how's the theme testing going?
[08:04] <ovidiu-florin> http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/ still has the default theme
[08:05] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: I have just finished installing wordpress now I am uploading my theme.
[08:07] <ovidiu-florin> greak
[08:07] <ovidiu-florin> great*
[08:07] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: If i import my database to the new one will all the pages that I had created be restored?
[08:08] <ovidiu-florin> 1. It depend on what you have in that  DB
[08:08] <ovidiu-florin> 2. why do you need a DB for a theme?
[08:09] <bukai> I created all the pages in my local machine , that gets stored in the DB afaik hence,
[08:10] <bukai> importing it will import all the pages i have created I guess
[08:10] <ovidiu-florin> yes, but didn't you create those pages on a wordpress instance?
[08:11] <bukai> yes, I did
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> then why not make that WP instance public?
[08:12] <bukai> ok, I will try doing it. Btw theme activated
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu/wp-content/themes/html5blank-stable/img/logo.png
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> the url is wrong
[08:13] <ovidiu-florin> and I think there are some elements missing
[08:13] <bukai> I guess I have to change some of the links
[08:15] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: Is it a better option to upload to wordpress?
[08:16] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: please be specific. Wordpress the site, or Wordpress our instance.
[08:16] <bukai> our instance
[08:20] <ovidiu-florin> do you want to upload those images using the wordpress uploader? is that what you mean?
[08:21] <bukai> yes
[08:21] <ovidiu-florin> It would be better, in that case the WP instance will be aware of it
[08:24] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: I am unable to make changes to the header.php, there is no update option!
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> what are you trying to do?
[08:27] <bukai> correct the link ->http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu/wp-content/themes/html5blank-stable/img/logo.png to http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/html5blank-stable/img/logo.png
[08:27] <bukai> in the header.php
[08:32] <bukai> I changed the premission to 755 still not working
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> where is the site situated on the server? in what dir?
[08:34] <yofel> /home/subho020m/test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress - so 755 will not work as "www-data" has no write permissions
[08:36] <ovidiu-florin> found it, thank you
[08:36] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: can I edit the header file?
[08:36] <bukai> Sure
[08:37] <ovidiu-florin> please set the write permissions so I can
[08:37] <sitter> Mirv: as it turns out the bogus QSGSimpleTextureNode symbol retraction in plasma-framework I mentioned yesterday apparently only happens on utopic while vivid still exports them not sure why though :S
[08:38] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: how do I change the permission?
[08:38] <ovidiu-florin> what do you use to access the files?
[08:39] <bukai> what I use as in?
[08:39] <ovidiu-florin> ssh, dolphin, filezilla
[08:39] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: you're admin, so you could just 'sudo -u subho020m -i" if you want to edit them in the shell
[08:40] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I'm admin? awesome
[08:40] <bukai> ssh
[08:41] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: thanks, but he should also learn how to do that
[08:41] <yofel> true :)
[08:41] <ovidiu-florin> cd into /home/subho020m/test2.kubuntu.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/themes/
[08:41] <bukai> ok
[08:42] <bukai> then?
[08:42] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: do you recommend "chmod a+w -R html5blank-stable" or better to create a group webdevs and add me and bukai to it?
[08:44] <ovidiu-florin> I think the group thing is safer
[08:45] <yofel> latter would be cleaner, but would need SGID set on folders and www-data added to it so apache also has w permissions, former is faster
[08:45] <Mirv> sitter: oh, I did see it when I was compiling the ~rc 2.5 weeks ago: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/191605713/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.plasma-framework_5.4.0-0ubuntu3~rc~test1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:45] <Mirv> I haven't tried with the final yet because of your 5.5.0 transition and my scripts take the -proposed version and upload that, which wouldn't yet compile
[08:45] <sitter> most peculiar
[08:46] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: then add me and bukaito the www-data group?
[08:46] <ovidiu-florin> and chown -R :www-data ?
[08:46] <ovidiu-florin> to the whole WP site?
[08:46] <ovidiu-florin> but that would be a risk
[08:46] <ovidiu-florin> it gives appache access to everything
[08:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll go with the webdevs group thing
[08:47] <yofel> well, apache only really needs access to wp-content/uploads/ usually, anything else it shouldn't need to access (unless you use the wp theme files editor, which is urgh)
[08:49] <ovidiu-florin> yeah
[08:49] <ovidiu-florin> bukai:
[08:49] <ovidiu-florin> you are now added to the webdevs group
[08:49] <ovidiu-florin> change the group of the whole WPI dir to webdevs
[08:51] <ovidiu-florin> run: cd ~ && chown -R :webdevs test2.kubuntu.co.uk
[08:52] <ovidiu-florin> and then run: chmod -R g+rw test2.kubuntu.co.uk
[08:53] <bukai> ok, I will run this in /home/subho020m/ ?
[08:53] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[08:53] <ovidiu-florin> chown (change owner)
[08:53] <ovidiu-florin> :webdevs (change the group to webdevs)
[08:54] <ovidiu-florin> -R recursive, this and all under
[08:54] <ovidiu-florin> chmod (change mode) g+rw (add read write to group permissions)
[08:54] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: any questions?
[08:55] <bukai> what is the use of ~&& ?
[08:57] <ovidiu-florin> ~ translates to /home/$USER, which for you means /home/subho020m/
[08:58] <ovidiu-florin> && means: if previous command was successfull, run this command
[08:58] <ovidiu-florin> that's just to inline things
[08:58] <ovidiu-florin> you could not use && and run them separately
[09:01] <ovidiu-florin> mention me after you run the commands
[09:03] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: i ran those
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> I still see the group of the test2.kubuntu.co.uk dir to be your group
[09:05] <bukai> yes, that is because it is giving operation not permitted
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: you can't change thw group of your own files?
[09:12] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: what do we do now?
[09:13] <ovidiu-florin> I've changed the group for you
[09:17] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: So the logo apears now
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> does the theme look ok to you?
[09:18] <ovidiu-florin> to me it looks like there's no CSS
[09:20] <bukai> theme is ok, when the pages are added it would look as it is suppossed to look.  Could you make a GCI task for testing latest kubuntu vivid? I can test both amd64 and i686.
[09:32] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: you don't modify it from the browser
[09:32] <ovidiu-florin> bukai: use Shift+F5 to refresh, without cache
[09:37] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ok
[09:38]  * bukai leaves for a while
[10:04] <Riddell> erk new images
[10:04] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yeah get testing!
[10:07] <EgorMatirov> Riddell:ok, thank you.
[10:08] <Riddell> I made a task, but needs someone to approve it http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2014/5815061465530368
[10:32] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9559098/
[10:32] <sitter> context: cmake package has different name so people have a hard time finding the right dev package
[10:33] <sitter> I think we briefly discussed this in munich
[10:33] <sitter> also affected: plasma-framework, baloo, kio
[10:41] <Riddell> sitter: meh, I'm skeptical, what do debian think?
[10:41] <soee> valorie: thank you, got your mail
[10:43] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2014/5815061465530368 approved, grab it while it's fresh
[10:44] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: claimed
[10:45] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: great, now test test! :)
[10:45] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: btw, should welcome dialog with language selection and etc be displayed after boot iso?
[10:46] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: can you take a screenshot?
[10:48] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: I mean, testcase says that it should but there is only plasmashell and "Install Kubuntu" icon on desktop
[10:48] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yes, so probably we want to disable it from the live cd
[10:48] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: take a screenshot, file bug :)
[10:52] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: Which package is related to this bug? AFAIK, I need to specify one.
[10:54] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: I won't remember until I see a screenshot :)
[10:54] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: probably kubuntu-notification-helper
[10:55] <sitter> ehm, no
[10:56] <sitter> that is not even enabled on the live session AFAIK
[10:56] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/GBSL2fP.jpg
[10:56] <EgorMatirov> from Kubuntu Desktop testcase: "The system boots properly and loads the installer displaying Welcome dialog with language selection and 'Try Kubuntu' and 'Install Kubuntu' buttons"
[10:57] <EgorMatirov> Is it just unchanged testcase?
[10:57] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: oh I see, that's talking about ubiquity-dm which isn't enabled
[10:57] <Riddell> because it doesn't work with sddm
[10:57] <Riddell> so yes something to fix, there is already a bug somewhere under ubiquity
[10:57] <Riddell> possibly a closed one
[10:57] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ok, got it. Thanks
[10:58] <Riddell> hmm can't find it, just report a new one then
[11:00] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: also, is bug with wrong timezone recognition during install related to ubiquity?
[11:01] <Riddell> um, probably, I don't know that one
[11:10] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: Is there something specific that I should write in bug report (about ubiquity-dm). Now it looks like "Ubiquity-dm doesn't work with sddm. So it's now possible to use it with Kubuntu Live iso"
[11:10] <EgorMatirov> Maybe you know something related to this?
[11:10] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yes that'll do
[11:11] <EgorMatirov> I found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1362599
[11:12] <EgorMatirov> but fix was reverted
[11:14] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: well discovered, I set to to apply to ubiquity in vivid
[11:35] <Riddell> hi Sergobot
[11:35] <Sergobot> Riddell: hello
[11:37] <Riddell> Sergobot: are you working on calligra 2.9 beta?
[11:37] <Riddell> I seem to have failed to assign that task
[11:37] <Sergobot> Riddell: Yes. But I can't build it
[11:38] <Riddell> ok assigned
[11:38] <Riddell> Sergobot: what's the problem?
[11:39] <Sergobot> Riddell: log https://paste.kde.org/p1oauxixq
[11:40] <Riddell> ah yes, patches need updating
[11:41] <sitter> Mirv: qtsensors push please :)
[11:42] <Sergobot> Riddell: so, how to update them?
[11:42] <Riddell> Sergobot: I expect the patch is still needed so you need to manually work out what needs to change, we use a tool called quilt to manage patches
[11:42] <Riddell> Sergobot: if you run  quilt push  you should get the same error as you pasted
[11:43] <Riddell> Sergobot: if you run   quilt push -f  it'll apply it and break (before it would test first and not apply it)
[11:43] <Riddell> Sergobot: actually if it's just fuzz (meaning line numbers changed) it may just apply with just  quilt push
[11:43] <Riddell> Sergobot: in which case use  quilt refresh  to update line numbers and it's all good
[11:47] <Sergobot> Riddell: I also have one unmet dependy. Calligra needs libkactivities-dev, but when I try to install, it wants to remove plasma-desctop from my PC
[11:48] <EgorMatirov> Sergobot: you need to have plasma5 afaik
[11:48] <Sergobot> Riddell: But I have it
[11:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: what version of kubuntu and of plasma do you have?
[11:49] <Sergobot> Kubuntu 14.10 and Plasma 5
[11:50] <Sergobot> Riddell: Plasma 5.1.1
[11:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: possible you'd be better developing it in a chroot made with debootstrap for vivid
[11:51] <Sergobot> Riddell: what do I need to run in terminal?
[11:51] <Riddell> Sergobot:  sudo debootstrap vivid vivid
[11:52] <Riddell> then sudo chroot vivid  will give you a vivid system (of sorts)
[11:56] <Mirv> sitter: qtsensors pushed
[11:56] <sitter> thanks
[12:04] <Riddell> anyone know about dh_acc? I can recreate this but I've no idea what it's moaning about (it's a new library soversion) https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-marble/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[12:05] <sitter>        dh_acc - abi-compliance-checker dump generator and comparison
[12:44] <Sergobot> Riddell: I still can't install libkactivities-dev. It needs to remove plasma
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Abi tar is probably out of date I guess
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[12:55] <Riddell> Sergobot: so remove it?
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there isn't one, do I need to make one somehow?
[12:55] <Sergobot> Riddell: But I want to use Plasma
[12:56] <Riddell> Sergobot: it's just a chroot
[12:56] <Riddell> work in side the chroot
[12:57] <Sergobot> how to work inside it?
[12:58] <Sergobot> Riddell: how to work inside it?
[12:58] <yofel> shadeslayer, Riddell: marble ships an acc configuration without the actual ABI tarball. That can't work
[12:59] <yofel> personally I'm against using it at all until it supports uncompressed symbol tables
[13:00] <Riddell> Sergobot: sudo chroot vivid
[13:00] <Riddell> and then work as normal
[13:00] <Riddell> you might need to copy over any config files you have and you might need to export LANG=C and LC_ALL
[13:00] <Riddell> yofel: gotcha, I'll delete it then
[13:01] <Riddell> hi Sick_Rimmit
[13:01] <Sick_Rimmit> catch u in a bit in meeting
[13:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: ahh
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why not create the file instead
[13:03] <yofel> please ask debian first why it's not there before you commit a binary blob into git
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Heh
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the point? we already have .symbols files to check for ABI
[13:06] <yofel> acc is more accurate
[13:06] <yofel> which is good, only dh_acc sucks
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ^^
[13:07] <yofel> .symbols are more for something like dh_shlibdeps
[13:12]  * Riddell packaging the rest of kde applications
[13:16] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: only 1 test done? (and that one failed!)
[13:17] <EgorMatirov> Riddell:oh, no. (I have done all tests for amd64, they all have similar bug and I'm filling it now)
[13:18] <Riddell> great
[13:19] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ubiquity recognizes wrong location\timezone for me. It detects "Yekaterinburg" (UTC+6). But I live in Izhevsk (UTC+4). I'll fill this bug there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[13:20] <EgorMatirov> Is it right place?
[13:20] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: good enough, the code itself might be in debian-installer or maybe it's just part our how your internet is set up but ubiquity will do for now
[13:22] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ok, thanks. (about internet... I tried some geo services based on ip determination and all of them says that my ip belongs to Izhevsk)
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:31] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj_
[13:33] <BluesKaj_> Hi Riddell
[13:43] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you help me? https://paste.kde.org/pchlmwud0
[13:46] <Riddell> Sergobot: as I say use  quilt push  if that works then   quilt refresh   will tidy up the line numbers
[13:47] <Sergobot> Riddell: but quilt push doesn't help https://paste.kde.org/pxet4gdfi
[13:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: so you need to get dirty in the code
[13:57] <Riddell> quilt push -f
[13:57] <Riddell> then edit (with kate or emacs or whatever) krita/sketch/CMakeLists.txt krita/sketch/CMakeLists.txt.rej
[13:57] <Riddell> and manually copy over the changes
[13:57] <Riddell> then quilt refresh
[14:03] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: hm, Am I right that `locale -a` should output all available locales in live session?
[14:04] <EgorMatirov> and that it should contains most of languages available for selection during install
[14:04] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yes I think so
[14:04] <Riddell> no during install will be loads of langauges, locale -a will only display the installed ones
[14:07] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: oh, ok. I have a bug when installing with wrong locale (looks like with any locale) and I read logs a bit
[14:07] <Riddell> what's the bug?
[14:08] <EgorMatirov> and ubiquity says that "setting locale failed. please check that your locale settings ... are supported and installed on your system"
[14:09] <EgorMatirov> I selected russian, and when I click "next" after choosing timezone it fails
[14:09] <EgorMatirov> I'll provide logs, wait a bit please
[14:10] <Sergobot> Riddell: I can't build it :( https://paste.kde.org/pfdvfvdfq
[14:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: you sorted one patch, this just needs the same stuff done
[14:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: in this case the patch is called upstream_switch-to-librevenge-based-import-libs.patch which tells me it comes from calligra (upstream) anyway so the patch is no longer needed
[14:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: so just delete the patch in debian/patches and remove from debian/patches/series
[14:12] <Riddell> Sergobot: run   quilt push -a  to check if all the patches apply
[14:16] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9560539/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/9560568/
[14:17] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: uh oh
[14:17] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: anything different on that install than on other installs? different language set?
[14:19] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: I tried Russian, Ukrainian, French, "Catala", "Dansk" languages with same result.
[14:19] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: but fine with English?
[14:19] <EgorMatirov> I'll reboot now and try again
[14:20] <_Groo_> Riddell: whazup riddell, when you have a minute,could you take a look at plasma-workspace in ci? its the only package breaking a clean upgrade today, the others rebuild fine
[14:20] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: hm, before - yes.
[14:21] <Riddell> _Groo_: porque mi? sitter knows more about ci
[14:22] <Sergobot> Riddell: I still can't build it. quilt push -a ran without issues.
[14:22] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: fooey, use  ubuntu-bug and report a bug then
[14:22] <sitter> read ci channel topic and start uisng a snapshot ppa
[14:22] <Riddell> Sergobot: what happens?
[14:22] <Sergobot> Riddell: there is veeeery long log
[14:23] <Riddell> Sergobot: do you see an error line?
[14:23] <Riddell> Sergobot: how far does it get?
[14:23] <Riddell> Sergobot: maybe we should set up a shared ec2 server so I can see what you're doing
[14:24] <Sergobot> Riddell: here is small part from log's end. https://paste.kde.org/pabtthpjp
[14:24] <Riddell> Sergobot: I think you have something mixed up with your chroot there
[14:25] <Sergobot> Riddell: what do you mean?
[14:25] <Riddell> Sergobot: vivid/ contain the chroot filesystem, you don't seem to be inside that filesystem, the filesystem seems to be inside your packaging
[14:26] <Sergobot> Riddell: so, what should I do?
[14:27] <Riddell> Sergobot: let me set up an ec2 and we can work on that
[14:27] <Sergobot> Riddell:  okay
[14:28] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: same with Russian, but it works at least with English and Belarusian
[14:29] <Riddell> lucky belarusians
[14:29] <EgorMatirov> :D
[14:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sitter: is that koko build yours?
[14:33] <Riddell> in ~blue-shell-next
[14:34] <Riddell> Sergobot: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:34] <Riddell> Sergobot: copy the .orig .debian and .dsc fiels to ec2-54-92-241-134.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/
[14:34] <Riddell> Sergobot: run byobu at your login
[14:35] <Sergobot> Riddell: Permission denied. May be you used my old pubkey?
[14:36] <Riddell> sitter: vhanda says that failing test needs internet access so can be ignored
[14:36] <Riddell> Sergobot: I used the one at https://launchpad.net/~sergobot256/+sshkeys
[14:36] <Riddell> Sergobot: update launchpad if you've a new one
[14:38] <Sergobot> Riddell: but there is the latest
[14:39] <Riddell> Sergobot: and ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fails?
[14:39] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: you can tick live session surely? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds/85790/testcases
[14:40] <Sergobot> Riddell: yes it fails
[14:41] <Riddell> Sergobot: try logging in with password foobar
[14:41] <Sergobot> Riddell: it doesn't ask for a password
[14:42] <Riddell> Sergobot: try again?
[14:42] <Sergobot> Riddell: logged!
[14:42] <Riddell> phew
[14:42] <Riddell> Sergobot: ok scp the three files into mnt/
[14:44] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: oh, I think yes (but with unbiquity-dm bug)
[14:44] <Riddell> yep
[14:48] <Sergobot> Riddell:  scp asks password, but doesn't accept foobar
[14:48] <Riddell> Sergobot: set username to ubuntu@ ?
[14:49] <Riddell> sitter: wouldn't we be better to set up meta packages than rename all the -dev packages ?
[14:49] <Riddell> kde-frameworks-tier1 ?
[14:49] <Sergobot> Riddell: it asks password for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:50] <Riddell> 14:48 < Riddell> Sergobot: set username to ubuntu@ ?
[14:50] <EgorMatirov> Sergobot: Use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>
[14:50] <sitter> Riddell: also prone to error as with the provides
[14:50] <sitter> also we wouldn't rename all the dev packages
[14:50] <sitter> we would rename 4 of them
[14:50] <sitter> to align with the 50 others
[14:51] <Riddell> aligns in some sense, makes them inconsistent in another sense
[14:51] <sitter> Riddell: how does it make them inconsistent?
[14:52] <Riddell> sitter: it names them after libraries which don't exist
[14:53] <yofel> in that case you would need to make kio-dev provide a -dev package for any lib it contains
[14:53] <yofel> just renaming kio sounds more sensible IMO...
[14:54] <sitter> Riddell: that's onlyt he case for KIO I think
[14:54] <sitter> you are being as nitpicky as I am usually :P
[14:54] <sitter> very unreasonable
[14:55] <sitter> the thing is: the user does not care, we do not care, the policy doesn't care, cmake doesn't care, our tooling doesn't care ... nothing cares whether or not libkf5kio-dev actually has a libkf5kioN associated with it
[14:56] <sitter> at any rate there is a libkf5kiocoreN for which libkf5kio-dev is still a better fit than kio-dev
[14:56] <Riddell> shrug, go ahead, but I will forever be reminding you there's no such thing as libkf5kio :)
[14:56] <sitter> pft
[14:56] <sitter> take it up with upstream :P
[14:57] <Riddell> I've already got dfaure to admit he was wrong and I was right once this year, I think twice would be just impossible
[14:57] <sitter> if the cmake packages weren't shared fro multiple libraries then there wasn't an argument to be had here :P
[14:59] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: I filled bug report. What should I do with this test case? Mark as "Failed" and provide link to bug?
[15:00] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: which one?
[15:00] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: Non-English Live Session & Installation
[15:01] <EgorMatirov> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1403914
[15:01] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yeah I guess that's a fail
[15:01] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ok, thank you.
[15:03] <Neo31> hello guys :)
[15:03] <Riddell> hola Neo31
[15:03] <Riddell> Neo31: EgorMatirov is also doing testing today but as ever all help appreciated and don't be afraid to duplicate
[15:04] <EgorMatirov> Neo31: Hi. Yep, I could miss something.
[15:09] <Riddell> Sergobot: you're uploading calligra_2.9.0.orig.tar.gz ? but 2.9.0 doesn't exist where's that from?
[15:10] <Sergobot> Riddell: I cloned sources from git and packed them to archive
[15:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: nah just get the released version
[15:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: download (with wget) from here http://download.kde.org/unstable/calligra-2.8.90/
[15:11] <Riddell> Sergobot: we usually only package released versions because then if someone has a problem we all know what they're working with
[15:11] <Neo31> sure Riddell, it's a confirmation that everything is fine ;) and a training so next time I am more ready (actually i can teach new recruits from our loco team ;) )
[15:12] <Riddell> Neo31: ooh please :)
[15:13] <Sergobot> Riddell: done
[15:14] <Riddell> Sergobot: where are you getting the packaging from?
[15:14] <Neo31> I will ping you for testing and bug triaging stuff Riddell. but I might need a mentor recommendation for some dev stuff next month. I hope you know someone who can help (I will transfer the knowledge to our loco team of course)
[15:14] <Riddell> you'll need to rename calligra-2.8.90.tar.xz to follow the right name for orig tars
[15:15] <Riddell> Neo31: yeah me or others are happy to help, although I probably won't be around much for next two weeks since it's fiesta time
[15:16] <Neo31> ah yeah yeah, anytime u think appropriate really ;)
[15:18] <Sergobot> Riddell: unpack?
[15:18] <Riddell> Sergobot: yep
[15:23] <Riddell> EgorMatirov, Neo31: you guys onto i386?
[15:23] <Neo31> no i have amd64 i can get i386 if that is needed
[15:23] <Riddell> Neo31: yeah that's what needs most testing just now
[15:25] <Neo31> ok i will start downloading i386, but not sure if i can start testing early tonight (i'll be travelling to another city either tonight or early morning)
[15:26] <Riddell> thanks
[15:27] <Neo31> thanks to u Riddell ;)
[15:31] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: yep, I'm downloading i386
[15:31] <Riddell> Sergobot: fix the version number in the changelog
[15:32] <Sergobot> Riddell:  what should it be?
[15:33] <Riddell> Sergobot: 2.8.90
[15:33] <Riddell> missing the last 0
[15:38] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ping
[15:39] <Riddell> Sergobot: try this..
[15:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: not, porque me, its porque eu?
[15:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: no reason, you were alive, thats all :D
[15:45] <Sergobot> Riddell: What should I do next?
[15:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: and i dont have access,so ^.^
[15:46] <Riddell> Sergobot: fix the broken patch? didn't you already do that on your local computer?
[15:47] <Sergobot> Riddell: no, didn't
[15:48] <Riddell> Sergobot: observe :)
[15:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: voila
[15:50] <Riddell> Sergobot: voila
[15:51] <_Groo_> Sergobot: voila abuse detected! rule 256-b of the kubuntu-devel clearly states! just one voila per hour or riddell will kill a puppy.
[15:52] <Riddell> these are evil rules
[15:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: says the puppy killer!
[15:56] <Riddell> _Groo_: hey I have to feed my starving grandmother!
[15:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: give interns to her instead
[15:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: they are a good source of proteins
[15:58] <Riddell> hear that Sergobot? EgorMatirov? you're a good source of proteins
[15:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: do you know what to do?
[15:59] <Sergobot> Riddell: no. Can you help me?
[15:59] <Riddell> Sergobot: it's looking for a library boost-system but can't find it
[15:59] <Riddell> Sergobot: this must be something new since the 2.8.x version of calligra
[16:00] <Riddell> Sergobot: apt search  will let you find what it's called
[16:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: look at this, more work :D
[16:00] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rSx1UuV2
[16:01] <_Groo_> fun stuff
[16:01] <Riddell> Sergobot: go with libboost-system1.55-dev
[16:01] <_Groo_> dont mention it :)
[16:01] <Riddell> Sergobot: add it to build-depends in debian/control
[16:01] <Riddell> and debuild
[16:05] <Riddell> Sergobot: missing a comma in debian/control I think
[16:05] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: I'm not good source of proteins! :D (Sorry, was busy)
[16:29] <Sergobot> Riddell: how to out from chroot?
[16:30] <EgorMatirov> Exit
[16:30] <EgorMatirov> exit
[16:30] <Sergobot> thanks, EgorMatirov
[16:30] <Riddell> Sergobot: chroot or the ec2?
[16:30] <Sergobot> chroot
[16:30] <Riddell> control-d will also do it
[16:39] <Sergobot> Riddell: build failed! :(
[16:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: yep, filenames will have changes
[16:40] <Riddell> changed
[16:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: you need to edit the .install files in debian/ for the new filesnames
[16:40] <Riddell> Sergobot: look in debian/tmp for the files
[16:41] <Riddell> and run  dh_install --list-missing  to check if the .install files are ok
[16:41] <Riddell> there will be lots of missing files as well, that's fine, they're listed in debian/not-installed
[16:41] <Riddell> but you'll have to check for new files
[16:48] <Sergobot> Riddell: Should I change anytjing in karbon.install?
[16:48] <Sergobot> *anything
[16:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: I don't know what files is it complaining about?
[16:54] <Sergobot> Riddell: What should I do?
[16:55] <Riddell> Sergobot: looks like it has renamed to libkarboncommon.so.14
[16:55] <Riddell> Sergobot: update that name in karbon.install
[16:57] <Riddell> Sergobot: eek you started the compile from the start again!
[16:57] <Riddell> that'll take ages
[16:57] <Riddell> just run  dh_install --list-missing  to check if the .install files are ok
[16:57] <Riddell> then  debuild -nc  once you're happy to build it without a clean
[16:57] <Riddell> (but too late now)
[17:01] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Hi, sorry was in Sprint demo earlier, how you doing ?
[17:01] <Riddell> sprint demo?
[17:02] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: how's the testing of i386?
[17:02] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: At work no worry
[17:03] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Our code development sprints run for 6 weeks, day before release we do a demo of what we been making to the company
[17:03] <EgorMatirov> Riddel: tested 2 cases. I'll fill them now
[17:03] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: a 6 week sprint! that's a marathon!
[17:04] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Yes, we're trialling out timings in our Scrum process, this run seems to have worked out
[17:09] <Riddell> sitter: what am I doing wrong? https://paste.kde.org/p1grhxvcf
[17:17] <Riddell> Sergobot: now you can update krita.install
[17:17] <Riddell> or karbon.install rather
[17:17] <Sergobot> Riddell: what's wrong with krita?
[17:18] <Riddell> Sergobot: karbon I ment
[17:23] <Riddell> Sergobot: comprende?
[17:26] <sitter> Riddell: that regex matches the cmakelists
[17:26] <sitter> well
[17:26] <sitter> s/regex/wildcard
[17:28] <Riddell> sitter: what?
[17:30] <Riddell> sitter: ah seems I was trying to apply it to the wrong package
[17:30] <sitter> that would also do it
[17:30] <sitter> pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 4:14.12.0 -c arm64,armfd,powerpc,ppc64el *txt
[17:30] <sitter> from your ls
[17:30] <sitter> matches
[17:31] <sitter> buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-*.txt AND CMakeLists.txt
[17:31] <Riddell> ah yes
[17:45] <Riddell> Sergobot: compiling again?
[17:45] <Sergobot> Riddell: sorry, forgot about -nc flag :(
[17:46] <Riddell> it's your own time you're waisting :)
[17:46] <Riddell> wasteing
[17:46] <Riddell> something like that
[18:05] <shadeslayer> anyone know of a man page where I can read apt-get's exit codes?
[18:06] <Riddell> man apt-get?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> doesn't have them
[18:07] <shadeslayer> quite annoying
[18:14] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: review please: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5815061465530368
[18:15] <Riddell> all done?
[18:15] <EgorMatirov> I didn't test live netbook only
[18:15] <Riddell> no that doesn't exist any more
[18:15] <Riddell> so you did the right thing
[18:18] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: thank you. Do you have any tasks related with code? :)
[18:21] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: thanks  closed!
[18:21] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: fixing icon sizes I think it my only one currently
[18:22] <Riddell> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5818543610265600
[18:24] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: how should it done? I should add transparent space from "smaller" sizes? so, if it's 30x32, I add 1px from both sides and it becomes 32x32
[18:24] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: am I right?
[18:24] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: yep exactly
[18:24] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: ok, thank you
[18:26] <Riddell> hi kranzer
[18:26] <kranzer> hi Riddell
[18:26] <kranzer> Riddell: as you see, I claimed that task
[18:27] <Riddell> kranzer: assigned :)
[18:27] <Riddell> kranzer: have you got kubuntu vivid running?
[18:27] <kranzer> no, I just wanted to ask you where to get it?
[18:28] <kranzer> Riddell: and even what is it?
[18:29] <EgorMatirov> hi kranzer :)
[18:29] <Riddell> kranzer: it's the codename for the development version of kubuntu
[18:29] <Riddell> which will be kubuntu 15.04
[18:29] <Riddell> download at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20141218/
[18:29] <Riddell> and install on either your computer or on a virtual machine
[18:30] <kranzer> Riddell: Isn't it that thing that I install yesterday?
[18:30] <Riddell> kranzer: could well be, what did you install yesterday?
[18:30] <kranzer> EgorMatirov: привет :)
[18:31] <kranzer> Riddell: Kubuntu 15.04, I tested it
[18:31] <soee> what is the Vivid release date ?
[18:31] <Riddell> kranzer: that's the one
[18:31] <Riddell> soee: 04/15
[18:32] <kranzer> Riddell: this thing yeah?
[18:32] <soee> Riddell: ok so i think ill sync my website release with Vivid release, so all the images etc. ill use will come from Vivid
[18:32] <kranzer> Riddell: okay, I need to reboot to windows
[18:32] <Riddell> soee: great yes
[18:32] <kranzer> to start my virtual machine
[18:37] <kranzer> Riddell: where to get the list of bugs?
[18:38] <Riddell> qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[18:38] <Riddell> link to utopic milestoned bugs
[18:38] <kranzer> Riddell: thank you
[18:39] <kranzer> Riddell: these ones https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscribe
[18:39] <kranzer> ?
[18:39] <Riddell> there's a reason that was a shortened url :)
[18:40] <Riddell> there's 7 of them
[18:41] <kranzer> Riddell: and only two of them are new
[18:44] <soee> Riddell: guys on #plasma told me that yesterday there was patch for plasma 5.2 that adds prev/next shortcuts to activities, is there any chance to backport it to 5.1 ?
[18:45] <Riddell> unlikely that code has changed a lot
[18:47] <Sergobot> Riddell: can you help me?
[18:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: looks like it's gone, just remove it from the .install file (control-k in nano to remove a line)
[18:49] <Riddell> Sergobot: and control-w to find text
[18:50] <Riddell> and control-z to background and fg to forground a terminal application
[18:51] <kranzer> Riddell: So, I need to triage only that two bugs?
[18:51] <Riddell> kranzer: triage all of them
[18:51] <Riddell> to check if they should be marked as valid for vivid
[18:51] <kranzer> hmmm
[18:51] <Riddell> then mark them valid for vivid, not sure what permissions you need for that
[18:51] <kranzer> Riddell: so
[18:52] <Riddell> probably you need to be a member of ~ubuntu-bugs or something
[18:52] <kranzer> Riddell: i need to triage utopic bugs, yeah?
[18:52] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[18:52] <Riddell> to check if they are still valid on vivid
[18:52] <kranzer> Riddell: and if they're reproduced I am to mark them as valid for vivid
[18:53] <Riddell> kranzer: yep
[18:53] <Riddell> "nominate for series" "vivid"
[18:53] <Sergobot> Riddell: there isn't line with keximigrate_spreadsheet.so
[18:53] <kranzer> Riddell: I didn't understand your last message
[18:54] <Riddell> kranzer: to mark them for vivid click "nominate for series" "vivid"
[18:54] <Riddell> Sergobot: voila
[18:55] <kranzer> Riddell: where is the button I need to click?
[18:56] <Sergobot> Riddell: thanks
[18:57] <Riddell> kranzer: on the bug page
[18:58] <Riddell> kranzer: probably you need to apply to join this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/+members
[18:58] <Riddell> Sergobot: kexi-postgresql-driver is the package it's trying to install into
[18:58] <Riddell> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/kexidb_pqxxsqldriver.so debian/kexi-postgresql-driver//usr/lib/kde4/ returned exit code 1
[18:59] <Riddell> bad file is kexidb_pqxxsqldriver.so  package is kexi-postgresql-driver
[18:59] <kranzer> Riddell: there's no button "Join group"
[19:06] <kranzer> Riddell: what to write if I didn't reproduce the bug?
[19:10] <Sergobot> Riddell: how to make this work faster? There are many lines in krita.install
[19:20] <kranzer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kipi-plugins/+bug/1372920 everything works good on my VM
[20:29] <Riddell> Sergobot: open it in kate?  using<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[20:33] <Sergobot> Riddell: how to do it?
[20:44] <EgorMatirov> Sergobot: use "kate<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <Riddell> File -> Open -><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:15] <kranzer>  Riddell: could you review?
[21:24] <R33D3M33R> hello, will KDE 14.12 come to Kubuntu 14.10 via kubuntu-backports ppa or should I use some other PPA
[21:24] <R33D3M33R> ?
[21:29] <Riddell> R33D3M33R: yes backports but I don't know when
[21:29] <R33D3M33R> great, no hurry
[21:30] <Riddell> kranzer: sorry too much cava to review
[21:31] <kranzer> Riddell: what is cava?
[21:34] <EgorMatirov> Riddell: Excuse me, did you submitted task with icons? (Nobody didn't confirm it yet, I'm just wondering if you understood that I want to work on it).
[21:59] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5818543610265600 unapproved
[21:59] <Riddell> ping valorie with it
[22:05] <Riddell> waa I can't get konqueror to run
[22:05] <Riddell> can anyone run konqueror?
[22:07] <Riddell> meh
[22:14] <yofel> on plain vivid it works fine
[22:16] <valorie> Riddell: done
[22:16] <valorie> published, I mean
[22:17] <Riddell> EgorMatirov: ↑
[22:17] <Riddell> "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?" - Guybrush Threepwood, Monkey Island
[22:18] <Riddell> published kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-vivid-alpha-1
[22:19] <kranzer> Riddell: could you review my task?
[22:20] <soee> i think 2nd screenshot here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha1/Kubuntu should use Plasma5 also :)
[22:25] <Riddell> soee: it's a wiki, edit :)
[23:49] <mparillo> soee: I replaced the second screenshot. If you have a high-resolution monitor, feel free to replace it again, showing more apps.
[23:49] <mparillo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/VividVervet/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[23:50] <Riddell> thanks mparillo
[23:52] <mparillo> Riddell: YW, and when Plasma 5.1.2 lands and resolves https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340966 (I hope), I could show more apps. No pressure though ;-)
[23:52] <soee> mparillo: thanks, i had no time since im working atm :/
[23:54] <mparillo> soee: YW. That work thing. Messes up our hobbies.


[08:21] <ikmaak> Is there a way to set the timezone in the UI?
[08:22] <ikmaak> on the pinephone btw, i have the setting UI, but am unable to select a timezone
[08:29] <ikmaak> ow, i see there is no solution, according to gitlab...
[08:30] <paradoxspiral> ikmaak: there's a workaround in that issue: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[08:31] <paradoxspiral> not ideal but it works^^
[08:31] <ikmaak> if i read correctly that only works when connected to the internet
[08:32] <paradoxspiral> hmm, I don't think so
[08:34] <ikmaak> i'm trying now, but it is difficult to use the keyboard in the terminal, the icon for changing to arrows is really small
[08:35] <ikmaak> it does set the timezone to my area, but it is still UTC+0
[08:36] <paradoxspiral> ah, might need ntp to sync
[08:37] <paradoxspiral> you can swipe up on the keyboard to get a screen where you can move the cursor around
[08:37] <ikmaak> i am trying to set time manually now, but sliding does not work, or better, it does not stop
[08:38] <ikmaak> it is cycling through the years now for over 20 seconds from on only a small swipe...
[08:38] <paradoxspiral> yeah those number inputs are extremely finicky
[08:39] <ikmaak> lol, by the time i set the time successfully, it is 7 minutes later
[08:46] <ikmaak> i did it! time is set! in just over 15 minutes :P
[08:49] <paradoxspiral> gz :)
[13:19] <Fuseteam> Changing to arrows?
[13:20] <Fuseteam> On ut in the terminal you swipe the screen, yes the entire terminal sceeen to use arrow keys
[13:23] <paradoxspiral> yeah, I Prefer the little screen on the keyboard since it's closer to my normal thumb position
[13:27] <ikmaak> Fuseteam: how am i to find this out?
[16:27] <paradoxspiral> I'm trying to work with the vibrator, but a quick gander with `fftest` over all the files in /dev/input/event* results in no found force feedback devices
[18:36] <emersont1> hi, is there a way of cleaning up the partitions on my device as i have about 20 100M partitions on my nexus 7 2013


[15:39] <sabasedigh> hello I need to open rpm package with engrampa or file-roller. WHat package should I install?
[15:53] <sabasedigh> any ideas guys?
[16:35] <eblis> what's up
[22:18] <Guest6699> Hi, does 'Apply Full Upgrade' GUI program, fully update my computer?
[22:18] <Guest6699> Or should I also run apt update && apt full-upgrade


[02:30] <dade`> should I do a make-kpkg clean before a git pull ?
[03:20] <zul> BenC: ping
[03:21] <zul> it looks like pm_power_off is EXPORTED twice does that mean anything to you?
[03:28] <zul> er..nevermind
[03:38] <zul> must be tired
[03:40] <infinity> zul: Back away from the computer, go have a long relaxing shower, and find something else to do.
[03:40] <zul> you are right later..
[05:23] <kylem> bleh wireless.
[08:31] <dade`> should the current git kernel compile cleanly ?
[05:10] <kylem> BenC, ping
[05:10] <BenC> kylem: pong
[05:11] <kylem> any idea where the snd-atiixp module disappeared to? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/73313
[05:11] <mjg59> CONFIG_SND_ATIIXP=m
[05:12] <kylem> yes... indeed.
[05:12] <mjg59> He seems to be missing all the snd- modules
[05:12] <mjg59> Looks like he's only got OSS
[05:12] <kylem> oh. interesting.
[05:15] <BenC> kylem: I'd say tell him to do "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic"
[05:15] <BenC> and then reject accordingly
[05:15] <kylem> oh.
[05:15] <kylem> well, i don't know where the module is hiding.
[05:15] <kylem> but it's loaded in his lsmod.
[05:16] <BenC> oh wait, he has -386, not -generic
[05:16] <dade`> mactel svn patchset 2.6.19-rc6 updated
[05:21] <mjg59> The sci-en and s3 ones are unnecessary
[05:21] <mjg59> We also don't want the usb-delay one
[05:22] <mjg59> Rest look fine
[05:29] <BenC> mjg59: Oh, hey, I remember what I wanted to ask you...one thing we have a problem with in edgy is that ide_all_generic doesn't work because it's a module (2.6.19 has a module param for this now)
[05:29] <BenC> mjg59: How bad would it be if we always did ide_all_generic?
[05:51] <dade`> this morning I was not able to build the current git kernel, is that normal ?
[05:55] <kylem> BenC, erm. what do you think about a backport of r8169.c to replace this really shitty realtek r1000.c driver for edgy-updates?
[06:29] <mjg59> BenC: Bad
[06:30] <mjg59> BenC: initramfs-tools just needs to pass the option
[07:24] <dade`> pffff
[09:19] <dade`> pls fix the topic


 Hi people!

 I test KDE, upstream GNOME and Ubuntu GNOME and KDE
 @popeydc Hey!
 Welcome @mertgor
 Thanks (re @philipz: Welcome @mertgor)
 As I understand from my experience, we need a bot suite distributed across multiple platforms both software, hardware, and applications
 sorry @mertgor, but i'm not following
 I have successfully upgraded Ubuntu to 21.10. During booting dmesg outputs some errors that I don't understand:
 [    1.384281] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Could not resolve symbol [\_SB.PCI0.GFX0.DD02._BCL], AE_NOT_FOUND (20201113/psargs-330)
 [    1.384298] No Local Variables are initialized for Method [_BCL]
 [    1.384300] No Arguments are initialized for method [_BCL]
 [    1.384303] ACPI Error: Aborting method \_SB.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP.DD02._BCL due to previous error (AE_NOT_FOUND) (20201113/psparse-529)
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[21:04] <wxl> tsimonq2: notice the announcement about .1?
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: huh?
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: well I know when .1 is, yeah
[21:09] <wxl> tsimonq2: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2016-July/003807.html
[21:10] <tsimonq2> yep I see
[21:10] <wxl> look at the followup email tho :)
[21:10] <wxl> in any case, i guess we should announce
[21:10] <wxl> would ytou like to do the honors?
[21:10] <tsimonq2> wait...announcing today?
[21:10] <tsimonq2> hmm :/
[21:10] <wxl> no we need to announce that stuff needs to be tested
[21:11] <tsimonq2> oh yeah sure
[21:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: I think in the release announcements, we really need to point out, "here are the known problems: foo, bar, baz, but here is what has been *fixed*: foo, bar, baz"
[21:12] <wxl> that'd be cool
[21:12] <wxl> just takes more time
[21:12] <tsimonq2> really?
[21:12] <tsimonq2> we just test all of the bugs in the known problems for 16.04
[21:13] <tsimonq2> I usually do that anyways when testing :P
[21:13] <wxl> sounds good then
[21:13] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'll personally do that ;)
[21:13] <tsimonq2> oh shoot
[21:13] <tsimonq2> we need to test 14.04 -> 16.04
[21:13]  * tsimonq2 puts this at the top of todo list
[21:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: Call for testing sent
[21:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: do you want to start the release announcement or should I go ahead?
[21:39] <tsimonq2> (in a Google Document)
[21:40] <wxl> tsimonq2: knock yourself out, though i prefer in on the wiki as a /Draft
[21:40] <tsimonq2> wxl: alright, I just like a Google Document better because it's a little bit...faster XD
[21:42] <wxl> yeah yeah but we have to think of EVERYONE :L)
[21:49] <tsimonq2> :/
[21:49] <tsimonq2> :P


[13:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I've uploaded kde workspace 4.11.9 since it has a MRE
[13:24] <shadeslayer> to trusty
[13:40] <ScottK> OK
[17:19] <mdeslaur> Could someone from the SRU team release libvirt 1.1.1-0ubuntu8.10  into saucy-updates please?
[17:20] <mdeslaur> I think it's got the required verification, and I'm waiting on it for a security update
[19:06] <ogra_> if someone is bored ^^ thats would like to see a NEW review :)
[19:06] <ogra_> *that
[19:52] <robru> infinity or cjwatson: got another unity8 release needing a version bump
[19:55] <infinity> robru: Will poke.
[19:59] <stgraber> mdeslaur: smb is on it
[19:59] <mdeslaur> stgraber: great, thanks!
[20:16] <robru> infinity, thanks


[01:12] <shtylman> anyone able to look into bug #398059 yet? ... major problem imho
[01:12] <ubot3> Malone bug 398059 in linux "system does not boot due to device-mapper error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398059
[08:15] <cafetiere> squeak
[09:49] <dholbach> hola!
[09:49] <dholbach> who'd be interested in talking a bit about kernel development at Ubuntu Developer Week?
[09:50] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has some open slots
[10:25] <cjwatson> I gather reintegrating iscsitarget is assigned to manjo; anyone know how far he's got with it?
[10:26] <cjwatson> the iscsi userspace stuff is on my list for karmic and I'd quite like to have a target to test with :)
[10:31] <smb> cjwatson, I believe he said the projects page code was rather unchanged and the server team had shown a general tendency/interest of getting this module done a dkms package. But I cannot remember any final status...
[10:31] <smb> cafetiere, you? ^
[10:32] <cafetiere> smb that is my memory also
[10:32]  * cafetiere is unsure if its enabled or not as is
[10:33] <cafetiere> cjwatson, will hastle him today to find out status for you
[10:37] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:37] <cjwatson> I tried the existing iscsitarget-source with module-assistant, but it failed to compile so apparently needs some update work
[10:39] <smb> likely the removal of direct access to structs did not help. Yeah, we try to pry it of manjo later
[11:38] <lool> Hey folks
[11:38] <lool> Is there a tree from which I can build a mx51 .31 kernel?   :-)
[11:38] <lool> Or even a binary kernel would probably be good enough for testing
[11:47] <stewart> so, i don't know if this is actually a ubuntu kernel specific issue, but have only seen it on ubuntu. process listening to tcp port restarts (as part of that closes sockets). client program is trying to connect. listener has restarted and is in a loop trying to bind to the server port again, but client application has an open socket to the server port (even though the previous server has gone away) and netstat -t tcp -l -p shows
[11:47] <stewart> :
[11:47] <stewart> tcp 0 0 *:12500 *:* LISTEN -
[11:47] <stewart> tcp6 0 0 [::]:12500 [::]:* LISTEN -
[11:47] <stewart> i.e. no process
[11:47] <stewart> and client is stuck in poll()
[11:47] <stewart> no idea what is going on. does anybody have an idea what could cause the above?
[11:55] <hyperair> huh i've never seen anything of that sort before
[11:56] <hyperair> you'd think that web servers would have an issue like this when restarting in ubuntu if this was reproducible, wouldn't you?
[12:41] <stewart> hyperair: it's a pretty specialised case...
[12:41] <stewart> after a bit more research....
[12:41] <stewart> has been linux behaviour/bug since at least 2001
[12:42] <stewart> not on solaris amazingly enough
[12:42] <stewart> but also on osx
[12:42] <stewart> but buggy poll/select on osx is nothing new
[13:33] <rtg_> amitk, are those MX51 patches going into a Karmic topic branch? or master ?
[13:44] <amitk> rtg_: they could be in a branch. It needs to be discussed.
[13:45] <rtg_> amitk, why don't you start by creating a branch and pushing the MX51 patches there so they don't get lost or forgotten? We can always merger them back later.
[13:46] <amitk> rtg_: I'm working on that. We just got it booting yesterday evening...
[14:01] <apw> Keybuk, fyi i've done some testing on the latest karmic kernel, on aufs2 and it seems to work for me, updates and kernel compiles
[14:02] <Keybuk> cool
[14:03] <Keybuk> rtg_: you're having that "runlevel" bug yourself/
[14:06]  * apw goes for a systems ... i may be a while
[14:08] <apw> or not long at all!
[14:19] <rtg_> Keybuk, yeah, whats the story on that?
[14:19] <Keybuk> rtg_: I posted to the bug, I think it's apparmor looping over runlevel forever
[14:19] <Keybuk> if you could fiddle with the script like I suggested, I'd like the strace output
[14:20] <Keybuk> I just realised you'll need 2>&1 on that strace as well
[14:20] <rtg_> Keybuk, ok, gimme a bit
[14:25] <apw> Keybuk, would app armour not have to be enabled for that?
[14:26] <apw> rtg_, did you enable apparmor ?
[14:26] <Keybuk> apw: this looks like it's before it checks for that, it's in an infinite loop examining "runlevel" output
[14:26] <Keybuk> I suspect I know what's wrong
[14:26] <rtg_> apw, stock Karmic (upgrade from Jaunty)
[14:26] <Keybuk> I just need strace output to prove it
[14:28] <rtg_> Keybuk, would it run dhclient3-apparmor if I have a static IP address assignment?
[14:28] <apw> anyone found a suspend or hibernate button on their karmic installs?
[14:30] <Keybuk> rtg_: yes
[14:30] <rtg_> apw, sudo grep "1" /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled return 1. How did AA get enabled yet?
[14:31] <apw> rtg i have that, and i also have this
[14:31] <apw> [    0.004000] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter
[14:31] <apw> in dmesg, someone is lying
[14:31] <rtg_> jjohansen, ^^^
[14:32] <apw> ahh one hits shutdown from the system menu... and that offers you suspend
[14:32] <rtg_> apw, one hits the power button and it just shuts down, no questions asked
[14:33] <apw> nn mine i hit power and i get the same menu
[14:33] <smb> which would be my expectation
[14:33] <apw> though mine has reboot and shutdown greyed out
[14:34] <apw> its probabally trigged by the power management preferences which have 'ask me' under 'when the power button is pressed'
[14:35] <rtg_> apw, which is what I was futzing with.
[14:36] <rtg_> Keybuk, I'm off to the server room to get your strace info. biab
[14:36] <apw> rtg_, on my T30 the only message i see between grub and usplash is 'Loading please wait ...' which i believe is line 1 of the initramfs
[14:36] <apw> so we may be off the hook :)
[14:39] <rtg_> apw, yeah, I didn't think there were many boot time messages
[14:40] <apw> i _think_ i saw one acpi one on my dell, will try and see if can capture those
[14:43] <rtg_> Keybuk, it looks like it went through the loop at least once, but this appears to be exquisitely timing sensitive. I'll attach the updated dhclient3-apparmor as well as the strace output.
[14:44] <Keybuk> great
[14:44] <Keybuk> I suspect it is very timing sensitive
[14:44] <rtg_> I wonder if AA has anything to do with my sshd issues?
[14:45] <Keybuk> if you want to force the timing, add a "sleep 20" to the top of the start() function /etc/init.d/bootmisc.shg
[14:45] <Keybuk> basically
[14:45] <Keybuk> that apparmor script is calling runlevel to figure out the runlevel
[14:45] <Keybuk> before /var/run/utmp is created
[14:45] <Keybuk> so you get "File not found" :-)
[14:46] <rtg_> it clearly doesn't take much. just adding '-v' to /sbin/ifup alters it enough that it boots
[14:46] <Keybuk> if you make it a liiiitle big slower, you'll be lucky and /var/run/utmp will exist
[14:47] <Keybuk> and whoever wrote that grep clearly doesn't understand runlevels anyway
[14:47] <rtg_> well, this is a dual Nehalem, so theres a lot of shit going on at once
[14:47] <Keybuk> yeah
[14:49] <rtg_> Keybuk, bug updated
[14:50] <Keybuk> thanks
[14:50] <Keybuk> odd that the kernel affects it though
[14:50] <Keybuk> maybe one of the kernels is just faster? :P
[14:56] <rtg_> Keybuk, the previous kernel that this machines was using is 2.6.30 based, so did not have the AA patches.
[14:56] <Keybuk> ahh
[14:56] <Keybuk> so the script never ran? :)
[14:57] <rtg_> Keybuk, likely not since 'grep -q "1" /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled 2>/dev/null || exit 0' would have bailed
[14:58] <Keybuk> ok
[14:58] <Keybuk> and the reason this script worked in jaunty was because runlevel output random garbage when it couldn't read from utmp, rather than existing with an error like it was supposed to ;)
[15:00] <Keybuk> though I can't see why that loop would ever work
[15:00] <rtg_> so, fixing runlevel causes second order effects
[15:00] <Keybuk> well, calling runlevel in rcS.d at all is utterly nonsense
[15:00] <Keybuk> rcS.d is the sysinit phase
[15:00] <Keybuk> there is *no* runlevel
[15:00] <Keybuk> not even "S"
[15:01] <rtg_> I'll have to take your word for that :)
[15:01] <Keybuk> so any values returned by runlevel are generally nonsense
[15:01] <Keybuk> iirc, runlevel will return "unknown"
[15:02] <Keybuk> once /var/run/utmp exists, that is
[15:02] <rtg_> Keybuk, what package should this bug be against? upstart doesn't seem appropriate.
[15:04] <Keybuk> rtg_: I'll fix that up presently with a description
[15:04] <Keybuk> open("/var/run/utmp", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:04] <Keybuk> write(2, "runlevel: No such file or direct"..., 36runlevel: No such file or directory
[15:04] <Keybuk> yeah
[15:04] <Keybuk> the strace proves it quite nicely ;)
[15:05] <rtg_> Keybuk, yep, saw that.
[15:05] <Keybuk> though I should include a filename in that error, shouldn't I
[15:09] <rtg_> Keybuk, next I'm gonna have to attack /sbin/ifup. It doesn't always get the route statements in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:27] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep still has some open slots - how about something Kernel related? :-)
[16:06] <rtg_> jjohansen, why does 'grep -q "1" /sys/module/apparmor/parameters/enabled' succeed on a 2.6.31-3 kernel?
[16:07] <jjohansen> rtg_: hrmm, was the machine booted with security=apparmor?
[16:07] <rtg_> jjohansen, nope
[16:07] <jjohansen> rtg_: it shouldn't be, I'll take a look
[16:08] <rtg_> jjohansen, its part of the reason that we discovered https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/399954
[16:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 399954 in dhcp3 "Karmic Boot hangs at "Configuring network interfaces"" [Medium,Triaged]
[16:11] <Dinh_FSL> manjo: good morning...
[16:11] <manjo> Dinh_FSL, good morning sir
[16:11] <amitk> Dinh_FSL: manjo: morning!
[16:13] <Dinh_FSL> amitk,manjo: still more debugging to do with the port, I am seeing after some period of time, it's hanging in synchronize_irq
[16:13] <manjo> yep also usb support needs work right
[16:13] <manjo> are you planning on bringing that jtag home again on fri ?
[16:14] <manjo> I bet its the same kinda fix for sync_irq like the timer
[16:14] <manjo> probably missing mx51 bits
[16:14] <amitk> great stuff last evening guys. Thanks.
[16:14] <manjo> amitk, u not on the call ?
[16:14] <manjo> amitk, yeah lots of beer & wine helped
[16:15] <amitk> heheh
[16:15] <amitk> umm... call?
[16:15] <manjo> vnc
[16:15] <amitk> oooh. skype
[16:15] <Dinh_FSL> manjo: sure, i can bring jtag home tomorrow...keep going on this...
[16:15] <manjo> yeah
[16:15] <amitk> forgot all about it
[16:15] <manjo> cool I can be there... I had too much fun yesterday
[16:16] <manjo> amitk, so chiming in  ?
[16:16] <amitk> hold on.
[16:27] <bjf> Dinh_FSL, do you know if the kernel you and manjo are working on right now will boot on a babbage 2.5 board?
[16:27] <bjf> Dinh_FSL, or will there be additional kernel changes required?
[16:28] <manjo> bjf, it boots on the board you gave me
[16:28] <bjf> manjo, that is a babbage 2 board, we will be getting babbage 2.5 next
[16:29] <manjo> Dinh_FSL, did u have a 2.5 yesterday ?
[16:29] <manjo> I think he had the same board as me
[16:29] <Dinh_FSL> bjf: I tried the kernel on the 2.5 and wow!! It boots!!
[16:29] <Dinh_FSL> hehe
[16:29] <manjo> Dinh_FSL, dont forget to copy ubunt u install on my sd
[16:29] <bjf> Dinh_FSL, that's sweet! good to know
[16:30] <Dinh_FSL> manjo: yes sir, but you gave only gave me a 2GB card...it won't fit...i'll put it on 1 of my 4GB card for you
[16:30] <manjo> sweet!
[17:09] <dholbach> ok... only one slot left
[17:09] <dholbach> who would like to talk about something Kernel related?
[17:10] <dholbach> maybe "Becoming a Kernel hacker" where you show people what they can do to help you (or do your work for you :-))
[17:10] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Prep
[19:13] <cjwatson> manjo: what's the story on iscsitarget in karmic at the moment? I'll be one of your users if you get it working, since I have a userspace spec for which that's the ideal test harness ...
[19:13] <cjwatson> (just reading off some wiki page that said it was assigned to you and in progress)
[19:13] <manjo> cjwatson, got pulled into doing some arm stuff so will look at it next
[19:13]  * cjwatson nods
[19:14] <cjwatson> my deadline is alpha 4 so not super-urgent
[19:14] <manjo> cjwatson, was planning on making it dkms
[19:14] <cjwatson> fine by me, I don't much care exactly how it's done :)
[19:14] <manjo> yeah the arm stuff need attention  for alpha3
[19:36] <rtg_> cjwatson, wrt iscsitarget, the last discussion I had with the server folks is that we'll pull it out of the kernel. It'll be a DKMS package that is kept in sync with user space.
[19:37] <cjwatson> that's fine, I just wanted to know if anyone had made progress on actually producing the package yet (e.g. PPA or whatever even if not in the distro)
[19:38] <rtg_> I'll bug Dustinm
[19:38] <rtg_> Dustin, even
[19:40] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[19:53] <cdowns> hello ?
[21:20] <dinh_fsl> manjo, amitk: hi...
[21:20] <manjo> dinh_fsl, hey
[21:20] <manjo> you fixed it already ?
[21:20] <dinh_fsl> what is the plan with the current ubunt-fsl-2.6.31 tree?
[21:21] <dinh_fsl> no, i haven't gotten a chance to fully debug it yet
[21:21] <manjo> dinh_fsl, dont want to put words in amitk_ 's mouth ... but I think we need to massage it more and make it ready for upstream ...
[21:22] <manjo> dinh_fsl, same time tomorrow then ?
[21:22] <dinh_fsl> manjo: that's my thought too, just wanted to make sure...
[21:22] <manjo> yep but we need it booting & running 1st
[21:22] <manjo> dinh_fsl, I could get you an official ans if you need it
[21:23] <dinh_fsl> manjo: that's what my manager and I are trying to figure out...
[21:23] <manjo> dinh_fsl, let me see...
[21:23] <dinh_fsl> manjo: perhaps it may make more sense for you guys to massage it more, and if you hit another hurdle I can help again
[21:25] <manjo> dinh_fsl, but we will need the jtag to see what is going on with the hang ...
[21:25] <manjo> can I get a loaner ?
[21:26] <dinh_fsl> a lauterbach?
[21:26] <manjo> dinh_fsl, if you can spend one more day (tomorrow) to figure out that might just do it ...
[21:26] <manjo> yeah lauterbach + cables
[21:27] <dinh_fsl> manjo: my answer is sure...i was planning to work from home tomorrow anyways...either on this or some other thing
[21:27] <manjo> ok
[21:27] <manjo> going fwd I think we wil see how to massage this code so that it looks better
[21:28] <manjo> clearly needs more work
[21:45] <dinh_fsl> manjo: when's sushi?
[21:45] <dinh_fsl> ;)
[21:46] <manjo> dinh_fsl, let me call to find out
[21:46] <manjo> want to do it tonight ?
[21:46] <dinh_fsl> sure...
[21:46] <dinh_fsl> let me know so that I can hold off the cooks at home
[21:46] <manjo> ok in 10mts
[21:50] <manjo> dinh_fsl, the chief is out of town this week .. so its going to be next week
[21:51] <dinh_fsl> manjo: ok...the cooks are back online
[21:51] <manjo> :)
[21:52] <manjo> dinh_fsl, jack said the cheif had to go out of town... the other guys over there are junior
[21:53] <manjo> dinh_fsl, we want the sushi chief senior to prepare for us :)
[21:53] <dinh_fsl> manjo: ah I c...
[21:54] <manjo> shit now I am hungry... all that salad for lunch is gone
[22:01] <dinh_fsl> manjo: outta here...see ya tomorrow morning...
[22:01] <manjo> dinh_fsl, ok sir see you tomorrow


[03:12] <aaron_rackspace> hey all, i'm looking for anyone who would be interested in a pro bono c++11 project that I'm looking to package with an ubuntu distro
[03:15] <aaron_rackspace> would require an understanding of BGP and the project is currently alph
[13:50] <Elfin> hello
[13:53] <Elfin> Is there an age requirement for developing Ubuntu?
[13:55] <Elfin> Unfortunately, I must go now. I'll check back later.
[13:55] <Elfin> Goodbye, all.
[22:58]  * Laney leaves a note to everyone that he intends to sync haskell-tagstream-conduit haskell-hs3 so that someone else can do it if he can't in the morning. :-)
[22:58] <Laney> s/can't/forgets/ seems more likely
[23:05] <roaksoax> win 3


[07:01] <inetpro> .
[07:45] <Kilos> morning all
[07:45] <andrewlsd> hi Kilos
[07:46] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[07:47] <Kilos> what is a vln number on a visa app and where does one find it
[07:48] <andrewlsd> VLN ? or VIN?
[07:48] <Kerbero_> visa application? which country?
[07:49] <andrewlsd> looks like it's used to track your application for Oz visa
[07:49] <Kerbero_> en môre oom Kilos, en almal anders
[07:49] <andrewlsd> Kilos: it's probably with your "paperwork"
[07:49] <Kilos> hi Kerbero_
[07:49] <andrewlsd> so may have been stamped, or written, or else emailed to you.
[07:49] <Wolfeyes_is> Good day everyone
[07:50] <Kilos> i did online application to australia
[07:50] <andrewlsd> Hi Wolfeyes_is
[07:50] <Kilos> hi boy
[07:50] <Wolfeyes_is> heya andrewlsd and Kilos
[07:50] <andrewlsd> Kilos: online application, VLN is the "id" of your application. ie your application number.  coz
[07:52] <Kilos> ty andrewlsd let me try mail them then . they dont give a proper email addy even you gotta register and login and all that and then query via what i think is an online mail thing
[07:52] <Kilos> sigh
[07:52] <theblazehen> Morning guys
[07:52] <Wolfeyes_is> hey theblazehen
[07:54] <andrewlsd> Kilos: did they not email you?
[07:54] <andrewlsd> with the VLN?
[07:58] <Kilos> i have the application number and can go see it online but cant query unless first login in with the za pta peeps
[08:13] <inetpro> uh oh!
[08:14] <inetpro> ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za *Packages  503  Service Unavailable
[08:14] <anton__> User: I can't delete a file.
[08:14] <anton__> Colleague: If you can't how can I?
[08:14] <anton__> User: Because you always enter from the back and then delete it.
[08:15] <theblazehen> inetpro: That sucks. Should I try and host a ZA mirror next year?
[08:15] <inetpro> theblazehen: if ever you do please make sure you have people who can keep it up and running, up to date and stable
[08:16] <theblazehen> Yeah, I'm planning to. I'm assuming I can just update with cron and rsync? Going to mirror other things as well
[08:22] <inetpro> good idea if you have the resources
[08:22] <theblazehen> inetpro: Resources = cash, right? heh
[08:23] <theblazehen> http://www.vanilla.co.za/server_colocation.php sounds good
[08:25] <inetpro> not only do you need cash but also lots of available bandwidth, hardware, manpower and knowhow
[08:25] <inetpro> but cash could certainly help to pull everything together
[08:26] <theblazehen> inetpro: This vanilla place does unlimited 1gbit, then I just gotta get a server, not sure what else would be needed in terms of manpower? You ust got to have the sserver be able to deal with the load?
[08:27] <inetpro> sometimes things go out of sync and you need to troubleshoot and fix
[08:28] <inetpro> hard drives go crash bang
[08:29] <theblazehen> inetpro: I should be able to deal with that. I've been doing some Linux work part time these past few weeks, and have dealt with that kinda problem.


[02:10] <akgraner> Hi all - Here's the video of Ubuntu TV Demo on ARM (Pandaboard) we did at Linaro Connect - I interviewed rsalveti about it.  Enjoy  :-)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpIFaAxyFGE&list=UUAl2MfCBjH5y0nIym0ujHfg&index=2&feature=plcp


[08:48] <joris> Does anyone knows a guide/book/tutorial that explains how to set up NFS to share home directories with Kerberos?
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> !nfs | joris can this help?
[08:50] <joris> yeah I saw that allready thanks
[08:51] <joris> but I am hoping more for a tutorial that let me walk through all the steps necessary to achieve this
[08:52] <joris> now I find a lot of parts of a puzzle and not I am not too sure how I can put it together...
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> joris: the guides on linuxconfig are usualy great, not sure if i can find a kerberos version of it
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-nfs-on-linux
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> looks more like the nfs part only
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> joris: maybe this; https://computingforgeeks.com/configure-nfs-server-client-use-kerberos/
[09:00] <athos> good morning! cpaelzer, I am considering letting postgresql-common sync (for pg-15) now. Any objections? I was holding off because 1) there were some perl packages still blocking things last week. 2) pg-common was blocking things to migrate as well (letting migration ref fail unblocked things - this was due to lack of a supported version for lunar)
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> morning athos
[09:02] <athos> morning :)
[09:09] <cpaelzer> athos: hiho
[09:09] <cpaelzer> athos: I haven't checked the recent package, but +1 to the general intend
[09:09] <cpaelzer> athos: do you want/need a review on somwthing before doing so?
[09:15] <athos> I will file an MP so we can get the sync propose reviewed before moving forward! I was checking the pg-15 migration status and instead of patching universe packages to let it migrate to unblock things before transitioning into pg-15 as the default pg, it just seems better to migrate to pg-15 as default already given the state of the universe packages (already depending on pg-15 as the default one)
[09:15] <athos> Cc sergiodj (FYI) for whenever you are around ;)
[10:09] <athos> https://code.launchpad.net/~athos-ribeiro/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-common/+git/postgresql-common/+merge/434070
[15:10] <sergiodj> athos: heya.  on it
[18:14] <athos> Hi lvoytek :) I suppose you will need sponsiring for https://code.launchpad.net/~lvoytek/ubuntu/+source/net-snmp/+git/net-snmp/+merge/434101, right? Let me know and I will push the button :)
[18:45] <lvoytek> athos: Yeah, thanks for the upload!
[19:17] <sergiodj> p4
[19:17] <sergiodj> ops :)


[06:35] <lordievader[m]> Good morning
[08:27] <hpagseddy> hi
[08:31] <lordievader[m]> o/
[09:32] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[09:34] <suici> not morning
[09:35]  * BluesKaj shrugs, it is for NA and EU
[09:42] <lordievader[m]> Good morning BluesKaj
[09:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning lordievader[m], what's up ?
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> Not much, working.
[09:43] <lordievader[m]> How are you doing?
[09:47] <BluesKaj> ok here, an early morning, but it's a nice one.  I can configure Internet using ifconfig and route, but network manager does not acquire any IP
[17:04] <BluesKaj> guysoft42, as I posted in #ubuntu, sudo dhclient
[17:04] <guysoft42> ok, saw it.
[17:08] <genii> There's also the DNSSEC crapola with systemd


[03:44] <Makulit> Gidday. This might not be the right place to ask, but I will give it a run, I'm sure someone will tell me if it isn't :) I am setting up a hobby web/e-mail/ftp server and have being looking at the various distros available. I have come down to three choices: Ubuntu Server, FreeBSD and CentOS. I am not wanting to launch an advocate war, just want to know why people here would choose Ubuntu over the other two distros.
[04:10] <blahdeblah> Makulit: You won't get many avocate wars here. I use Ubuntu because I like the works-out-of-the-box feel, and the very large range of packages in the archive.
[04:10] <blahdeblah> And it gets timely security updates, but I'd guess the others on your list do as well.
[04:11] <blahdeblah> I choose Linux over FreeBSD because that's what I've used for the past 23 years (man I feel old), and I choose Ubuntu over CentOS because I find the package management easier.
[04:11] <blahdeblah> Makulit: And I work for Canonical, so you should take all that with a grain of salt. ;-)
[04:12] <Makulit> blahdeblah, heh no problems.
[04:14] <Makulit> Ok, appreciate the reponses. It (responses) is part of my deciding factor on which to choose :) I have been to the relevant IRC channels for the other distros on various IRC networks, and pretty much found them very elitist. They are not very receptive to newbies at all. I have used FreeBSD on my latop (just mucking around with it), never used CentOS. One thing that put me off CentOS was lack of down-loadable documentation, it
[04:14] <Makulit> (from what I could find) is all online. I prefer something I can print (pdf) and mark pages, references etc.
[04:17] <Makulit> Does ubtuntu have the multiple terminal windows like FreeBSD does? Where you can open multiple terminals using the F keys?
[04:57] <blahdeblah> Makulit: yes, definitely
[04:57] <blahdeblah> Although, I prefer screen or tmux
[04:59] <Makulit> Ok no problems. Apologies for the delay, been dealing with a customer of sorts.
[05:00] <Makulit> Another question: How do you guys mask your IP's, like @unfilliated/blahdeblah for example.
[05:01] <blahdeblah> Freenode does that automatically when you're a registered user
[05:02] <Makulit> Hmm mine hasn't changed even though I registered, I am guessing you mean registered with NickServ.
[05:02] <blahdeblah> yep; can't remember what you have to do to register nowadays - ask in #freenode maybe?
[05:03] <Makulit> So it is a different thing then nickserv yeah?
[05:06] <blahdeblah> No, pretty sure nickserv is what controls it
[06:20] <Makulit> Ok no problems. Thanks.
[14:49] <Makulit> Being looking through the Ubuntu Server Guide, in respect to the install option of: 'Install security updates automatically' - Can this (after install obviously) be Cron'd to happen at a certain time?
[14:49] <Makulit> I am guessing yes, but want to make sure.


[09:21] <michael____>  /me waves hello
[09:31]  * michael____ waves hello
[09:36] <michael____> hi everybody!
[09:36] <michael____> how to check the command sent from MAAS tp PXE boot certian machine ?
[09:37] <michael____> is it logged anywhere ?
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1732920 opened: Editing node interfaces require multiple attempts <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732920>
[14:42] <vogelc_> roaksoax: Looking for a quick clarification. We are seeing hosts hang right after initrd and kernel are downloaded via tftp.  Once the download completes is there a last communication to/from the client to the rack or region controller?
[14:46] <roaksoax> vogelc_: the machine PXE boots, downloads initrd/kernel, loads into the ephemeral environment and does things
[14:46] <roaksoax> if the  IP given as a kernel parameter is unreacheable, the machine will never communicate with the MAAS region
[14:46] <roaksoax> vogelc_: that said, check your kernel params and verify that the IP being passed is the correct one
[14:47] <vogelc_> ips are correct.  I am wondering if bootp traffic is getting blocked somewhare
[14:47] <vogelc_> where
[14:48] <roaksoax> vogelc_: could be, if it is hanging while loading kernel/initrd
[14:48] <roaksoax> vogelc_: are you connected via the machine's VNC ?
[14:49] <vogelc_> I have an OOB console to the machine
[14:50] <roaksoax> vogelc_: if you are using serial console, try enabling serial for the macvhine via a kernel param (e.g. console=ttyS0,8600n8 or something of that sort
[14:50] <roaksoax> vogelc_: also, regiond.log will tell you if the machine contacted the region
[14:51] <roaksoax> vogelc_: 2017-11-13 18:21:38 regiond: [info] <IP_ADDRESS> POST /MAAS/metadata/status/yfhwqe HTTP/1.1 --> 204 NO_CONTENT (referrer: -; agent: python-requests/2.9.1)
[14:51] <roaksoax> it should show something like that
[15:05] <mup> Bug #1732927 opened: Erroneous IP Already in use when setting interface to unconfigured <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732927>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1732942 opened: [2.3, UI] Unable to set interface back to 'Disconnected' <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732942>
[17:09] <mup> Bug #1732948 opened: [2.3, HWTv2] Machine was marked Failed commissioning due to cloud-init failures, but tests weren't aborted and shown as 'pending <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732948>
[17:48] <jamesbenson> roadsoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1717031. Do you want the curtin from UEFI or BIOS with my custom partition so it is successful?
[17:49] <jamesbenson> roaksoax:  ^^
[18:07] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: i think what we need is:
[18:07] <roaksoax> 1. set UEFI in the BIOS
[18:07] <roaksoax> 2. commission the machine
[18:08] <roaksoax> 3. What MAAS automatically did for commissioning
[18:08] <roaksoax> 4. your cusotm partitioning
[18:08] <roaksoax> so we would need output for both 3 and 4
[18:09] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: if you can confirm whther maas deploys after maas commissioning the machine, that'd be good too
[18:38] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: 3?  what details are you looking for explicitly?   Not sure what you mean by automatically.  I just set a machine to UEFI and commissioning now.
[18:40] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: ok, so maas will set a defualt storage default
[18:40] <roaksoax> deploy that machine with athta storage layout
[18:40] <roaksoax> and gather the curtin config
[18:42] <jamesbenson> with my storage layout?
[18:44] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: without
[18:45] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: sorry, maybe i'm not being clear. Commissiong the mcahine and deploy it with the storage layout MAAS automatically selected. (gather the curtin config)
[18:45] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: and then, apply your custom layout, and gather your curtin config
[18:46] <roaksoax> it would be good to get the installation logs for each case as well
[18:48] <jamesbenson> no just:  "with athta storage" was a bit confusing...
[18:50] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: sorry :) friday afternoon, no lunch and ready to call it a week
[18:51] <jamesbenson> so my plan is to commission, don't change anything deploy and get the curtin, (assuming it fails) release, deploy with my storage options, gather the curtin.
[18:54] <roaksoax> ++
[18:54] <jamesbenson> the curtin is only available after the deployment is done?
[18:54] <jamesbenson> cool
[18:54] <jamesbenson> deploying now
[18:55] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: while deploying
[18:56] <jamesbenson> when should I issue that command then?
[19:02] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: when the machine is 'deploying' you can issue the command
[19:07] <jamesbenson> hmm... the command is: maas administrator machines get-curtin-config ksran6
[19:07] <jamesbenson> log into maas and issue that command?
[19:07] <jamesbenson> got me an error
[19:11] <roaksoax> jamesbenson: maas 'user' machine get-curtin-config
[19:11] <roaksoax> s/machine/machines/
[19:11] <roaksoax> try that ?
[19:12] <jamesbenson> yeah that did it
[19:34] <xygnal> roaksoax: still having my problem. Cannot get any additional data from the console on this hang.
[19:35] <xygnal> roaksoax: I can't tell if it's waitign on something local, on something network, or whats going on.  sugestions on how to further drill down to what component after initrd is responsible for the hang?
[20:06] <mup> Bug #1732980 opened: MAAS incorrectly PXE boot UEFI/legacy boot <hp-proliant-dl380-g9> <maas> <pxe-boot> <uefi> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732980>
[20:06] <mup> Bug #1732983 opened: [2.3] Strange behavior when removing a secondary controller <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732983>
[20:07] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: what's the partitioning mount points for uefi?
[20:07] <jamesbenson> '/boot/efi'?
[20:11] <jamesbenson> found it:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[20:11] <jamesbenson> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_System_Partition
[20:15] <mup> Bug #1732983 changed: [2.3] Strange behavior when removing a secondary controller <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732983>
[20:21] <mup> Bug #1732983 opened: [2.3] Strange behavior when removing a secondary controller <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732983>
[20:24] <xygnal> roaksoax: also, is there any way to get MAAS to use http instead of TFTP for transfering files? we are going across multiple hops and through virtual interfaces on virtual machines. i think its causing the choking.
[20:30] <mup> Bug #1732983 changed: [2.3] Strange behavior when removing a secondary controller <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732983>
[20:33] <jamesbenson> roaksoax: can you give me parted & lsblk info for uefi partitioning?
[20:34] <jamesbenson> looking for mountpoints, flags, etc.
[20:42] <jamesbenson> ^^ anyone?
[20:56] <xygnal> jamesbenson: haven't tried to use UEFI yet :(
[21:06] <jamesbenson> thanks xygnal...
[21:06] <jamesbenson> uefi doesn't work ....
[21:12] <xygnal> according to roaksoax it does. i see commits in code from earlier versions showing that it does.
[21:13] <xygnal> but there may be specific details, possibly with hardware model/bios settings, that need to be setup to make that work with maas
[21:21] <jamesbenson> xygnal, yes, we are trying to debug that.
[21:23] <xygnal> jamesbenson: look forward to your success :)
[21:23] <jamesbenson> lol, me too!
[21:23] <xygnal> wish that was my problem. harder to solve one here.  pxe boots are hanging after initrd, and cannot find WHY.
[21:23] <xygnal> not every time. intermittently.
[21:23] <xygnal> as if they are stalling
[21:24] <jamesbenson> the big issue for us when we started was networking stuff... ours used to stall too, mostly due to how our interfaces were set up.  eth0 pxe, eth1 public... make sure IP's were assigned in both.
[21:24] <jamesbenson> pxe had/has no outside access only eth1
[21:25] <jamesbenson> we have a work around for our storage issue, but more manual than needed.....
[21:25] <jamesbenson> s/needed/'should be'/
[21:25] <xygnal> ah we share pxe and prod right now on single interface
[21:26] <jamesbenson> oh... we can do that, but never had luck.. try seperating.
[21:26] <xygnal> explain?
[21:26] <xygnal> what problems?
[21:26] <jamesbenson> we set up a dedicated pxe/internal subnet and a dedicated public nic.
[21:27] <jamesbenson> 2 switches...
[21:27] <jamesbenson> 2 nics
[21:27] <jamesbenson> so pxe goes to only internal and 1 switch; internet nic goes to different nic/different switch
[21:27] <jamesbenson> dedicated traffic
[21:31] <xygnal> too costly for how big we build
[21:31] <jamesbenson> roger.
[21:32] <jamesbenson> how big is your rig?
[21:32] <jamesbenson> we buy refurb from servermonkey.com
[21:36] <xygnal> Dell's.  We are a big shop.
[21:36] <xygnal> though we've built our deployment sytem around being able to use whatever hardware we want
[21:37] <TJ-> xygnal: does the problem host have network console access, or alternatively, configure the kernel's netconsole so you can monitor/interact
[21:38] <xygnal> we're watching the KVM console on the DRAC. We're not missing anything.
[21:39] <xygnal> tried CONSOLE=tty0 with verose, debug, debug=vc, --verbose options.. no difference
[21:39] <xygnal> no data
[21:39] <xygnal> loads kernel
[21:39] <xygnal> loads initrd
[21:39] <xygnal> both "...ok"
[21:39] <xygnal> then stalled
[21:39] <xygnal> dead in the water
[21:39] <TJ-> xygnal: you don't see any kernel messages at all?
[21:39] <xygnal> none. zero messages.
[21:39] <jamesbenson> yeah, that's what we do... our maas server is a VM on our management servers that tie into all of our racks on the internal switch.
[21:39] <xygnal> with with those global kernel options showing up in my KVM console window.
[21:40] <xygnal>  know they are being applied
[21:40] <jamesbenson> which dells?  r610/r710?
[21:40] <xygnal> 6/7/830s
[21:40] <jamesbenson> okay, we've got the ones I mentioned...
[21:41] <jamesbenson> r410,r910's too
[21:41] <xygnal> yeah we have a good mix
[21:41] <TJ-> xygnal: this is a BIOS boot?
[21:41] <xygnal> yes, not using UEFI at this time.
[21:41] <xygnal> and at the time whe nthis happens all we see is DHCP and TFTP traffic. i dont think it gets to iscsi yet?
[21:42] <TJ-> xygnal: silly question but... have you tried dropping the initrd and only booting the kernel?
[21:42] <xygnal> i dont know what is next in the order after initrd loads
[21:42] <xygnal> no I have not.
[21:42] <xygnal> I will mention that if we repeatedly power cycle the box, it sometimes gets past this hang
[21:42] <xygnal> and this happens across pretty much everything, intermittently
[21:43] <TJ-> xygnal: in case there's an issue with the load of the initrd... the boot-loader normally puts in memory immediately after the kernel image, then hands over to the kernel's entry point
[21:43] <xygnal> that would be a real pain to troubleshoot with how hard to is to single this issue out.
[21:43] <xygnal> can take quite a few tries
[21:43] <TJ-> xygnal: if you don't get the kernel to even start up it's a pretty good assumption the network is losing packets and the transfer isn't completing, or is being corrupted
[21:44] <xygnal> TJ-: suspecting it but cannot prove it yet, a bit hard to prove it with UDP in the first place. Also seen a lot of bug reports about syslinux/pxelinux versions handling packet loss differentely.
[21:44] <TJ-> xygnal: I'd mirror the port the host is attached to on my switch, capture the TFTP stream, reconstrct the file and check it's hash to ensure what you *think* is being sent to the host, actually arrives there :)
[21:45] <xygnal> we've had network engineers go over the equipmnt and insist no problems
[21:45] <xygnal> no errors
[21:45] <xygnal> i've been asking them for that :)
[21:45] <xygnal> its new infrastructure so they are not yet organized enough to find it and setup my span
[21:45] <xygnal> how do you suggest the compare?
[21:50] <TJ-> xygnal: if you see nothing from the kernel, make the working assumption it isn't arriving in memory correctly. Therefore, try reducing the size of the boot image - I'd switch to loading something like GRUB or an ipxe image. something as small as possible to prove that *something* can boot
[21:51] <xygnal> that is sound advice
[21:51] <TJ-> xygnal: if you can get ipxe to start, you could use it to chainload the linux kernel - and get some logging out of ipxe about the transfer. you enver know, there might be a subtle bug in the PXE on the hardware
[21:51] <xygnal> give it something less likely to be given a chance to be corrupted
[21:51] <TJ-> yes, exactly
[21:52] <TJ-> even if it's a basic "hello world" static ELF binary you compile yourtself!
[21:52] <TJ-> after all, the linux kernel is just an ELF binary executable
[21:55] <xygnal> how do i access the TFTP files used for these commissions and deploys, manually, if i wnat to test out TFTP client downloads
[21:55] <xygnal> to match checkcims that way
[21:55] <xygnal> checksums
[21:55] <xygnal> it looked like twisted3 is hosting it directly
[21:56] <xygnal> fastest test i could peform is to boot a rescue cd, perform a 50 TFTP downloads of the same file, checksum each one
[21:56] <xygnal> if any fail, despite that
[21:56] <xygnal> dispute* ;)
[22:00] <TJ-> you mean boot the rescue CD on the bare hardware then let it test TFTP ?
[22:00] <xygnal> I realize multi-hop traversal of TFTP is bad in the first place, but we are too big to do a rack controller in every single local subnet.
[22:00] <xygnal> yes
[22:00] <xygnal> I do
[22:00] <TJ-> because although that'll test with the kernel, it *won't* test any bad behaviour by the system's PXE BIOS services
[22:01] <xygnal> correct that would just eliminate of we are getting bad checksums on our TFTP transfer
[22:01] <xygnal> if
[22:01] <TJ-> well no, because corruption, if it occurs, could be due to the PXE BIOS itself, not the network. stupid things like latency can sometimes induce weird side-effects
[22:01] <xygnal> if it's being corrupted by the systems PXE BIOS services, we have a MUCH more annoying problem
[22:02] <xygnal> I dos but that would allow me to release the network infrastructure from blame
[22:02] <xygnal> good checksum end to end? well if its bad, its not the network.
[22:02] <TJ-> if you're able to do a bare-metal rescue disc test, couldn't you also through FOG or similar onto a laptop to make it a PXE server, plug a cable from the host to the laptop, and do a direct PXE boot test :)
[22:03] <xygnal> yes i could but remember - this doesnt happen every single time
[22:03] <TJ-> s/through/throw/
[22:03] <xygnal> its an intermittent problem. often enough to really piss off customers, not often enough to catch every single try.
[22:03] <TJ-> right... but you could do an additional 50 tests of host<>laptop PXe boot on top of your 50 TFTP file transfers.
[22:04] <TJ-> it sounds like packet-drop. does the network have monitoring in place for that?
[22:05] <xygnal> yes but they claim no problems.
[22:05] <xygnal> thats is why i am trying to get the network performance team to give me a span off the nearest switch port
[22:05] <TJ-> :) well there's also the iPXE bootable ISO/DVD you could use to test the PXE side of course
[22:06] <xygnal> the real concern for me is
[22:06] <xygnal> if it IS corruption on the network level
[22:06] <xygnal> how are we doing to solve THAT? this is far too fragile of a transfer to lose packet.s
[22:08] <jamesbenson> xygnal, shielded cabled? :-p
[22:08] <TJ-> if it's TFTP related, I'd first check if the TFTP server and client are negiotating to transfer more than 512-byte sized blocks ... if the packet size increases too much there could be issues with MTU.
[22:09] <xygnal> I can snoop that out from the rack controller i bet with a tcpdump
[22:09] <TJ-> I'd lock the TFTP server to 512-byte blocks if that were suspected, for testing.
[22:09] <xygnal> how do i lock it? this is not local in.tftpd this is twisted3 process
[22:10] <TJ-> From the TFTP protocol:
[22:10] <TJ-> If the defined blocksize produces an IP packet size that exceeds the minimum MTU at any point of the network path, IP fragmentation and reassembly will occur not only adding more overhead[8] but also leading to total transfer failure when the minimalist IP stack implementation in a host's BOOTP or PXE ROM does not (or fails to properly) implement IP fragmentation and reassembly
[22:12] <xygnal> good catch
[22:12] <TJ-> I've dealt with it before; many many years ago!
[22:12] <TJ-> these days it's relatively rare
[22:13] <xygnal> soon as the team exposed that they plan to run a rack controller *per datacenter*, meaning a whole lot of forwarding from other subnets, I knew we might run into this stuff
[22:15] <xygnal> thanks much
[23:04] <xygnal> roaksoax: any plans to move to iPXE so we use http instead of TFTP?
[23:07] <roaksoax> xygnal: not in the shorterm, although we hvae a PR adding support for iPXE. I dont know what's the extend of it or whether it is used for everything
[23:08] <roaksoax> https://code.launchpad.net/~wpk/maas/+git/maas/+merge/332552
[23:16] <xygnal> ty sir
[23:17] <roaksoax> seems it only adds it for kvm now, but seems trivail to use it across the board for x86 systems
[23:19] <xygnal> passign initrd over HTTP sounds a lot more reliable than using TFTP across multipe hops
[23:30] <mup> Bug #1733015 opened: [2.3, HWTv2] Runtime resets back to 0 after 24 hours <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1733015>
[23:30] <roaksoax> may be, although we don't typically we recommend putting 1 region per DC, instead of splitting racks :)
[23:32] <xygnal> we are 1 region, with 1 rack (pair) per datacenter
[23:34] <xygnal> though our datacenters are all located in the same US State
[23:35] <xygnal> minimal latency
[23:38] <roaksoax> xygnal: so region/rack are routed ?
[23:38] <roaksoax> ah I remember
[23:38] <roaksoax> maybe due to dhcp relaying ?
[23:38] <roaksoax> duh
[23:38] <xygnal> yeah i'm sure our config is floating back there somewhere ;)


[22:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...I did a thing last night: http://paste.openstack.org/show/XfhKlWudqSp1Bm2jKhDD
[22:22] <bluesabre> Unit193, oh, nice!
[22:24] <bluesabre> I should upstream that manpage
[22:26] <bluesabre> Hoping to tackle this tomorrow morning, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=921835
[22:27] <bluesabre> and then maybe at the beginning of the 19.10 cycle, we swap xfce4-screensaver in
[22:28] <Unit193> Ouch.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: Is light-locker no longer a thing?
[22:50] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer, light-locker is unmaintained... it works, but the issues that happen around VT-switching with some hardware will basically persist forever
[22:50] <Spass> "it works" well not on my machines :)
[22:51] <Spass> probably because nvidia drivers
[22:51] <bluesabre> Yeah
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I noticed problems too, especially with wake from sleep.
[22:51] <bluesabre> I can't reliably close my laptop while running light-locker and expect it to resume later
[22:52] <Eickmeyer> ^same, bluesabre.
[22:52] <bluesabre> xscreensaver and (gnome,mate,xfce)-screensaver only vt switch when you switch users, which avoids the various race conditions with resume
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to see if we're using light-locker in our defaults.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> By our, I of course mean Studio, but you all know that.
[22:58] <Spass> xscreensaver works fine on my 18.04 laptop (it's kind of ugly looking tho), I'm really happy about incoming xfce4-screensaver
[22:58] <Unit193> Spass: Yeah I've been using xscreensaver instead of light-locker, well basically the whole time. :3
[22:59] <Spass> yep, seems to be very solid
[22:59] <Unit193> I gave ll a trial on my netbook when we switched to it, but it was too broken for my tastes so I just flipped back. (And basically been maintaining xscreensaver in Ubuntu since '16 I believe.)
[22:59] <Unit193> ...Upstream is a bit hostile, but we don't have to deal with that.
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> xscreensaver is effective, if ugly.
[23:01] <Spass> now I'm used to that fiery head
[23:01] <Spass> maybe I'll look deeper to change that image in the future, if possible
[23:07] <Unit193> Wait, I have a disco box, why do I not use xfce4-screensaver on it?!
[23:08] <bluesabre> Test iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
[23:08] <bluesabre> :D
[23:08]  * Eickmeyer uninstalls light-locker, installs xfce4-screensaver...
[23:08] <Unit193> Yeah except the only computer that gets locked often is on Bionic.
[23:11] <bluesabre> I'll leave this here... https://docs.xfce.org/apps/screensaver/start
[23:11] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl (late tonight or tomorrow)
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay, now to see if it's in the Studio seed...
[23:17] <Unit193> Backported xfce4-session 4.12.1-6ubuntu1 now so that bionic/cosmic users can more easily do this too.


[14:09] <flocculant> hi MatthewAllen :)
[14:14] <MatthewAllen> flocculant, hey!
[14:14] <knome> hullo
[23:05] <Guest90029> hello every one good afternoon
[23:07] <Guest90029> i am trying Xubuntu 15 and i like to ask is there a way to use hover pointer instead of click, like in the menu one have to click on every section in order for the applications to appear, my question is if there is a way that one can just hover on the section and then it pop up the applications for every specific section i hover with the mouse
[23:10] <Guest90029> never mind i just found it >D
[23:11] <Guest90029> it took awhile but it is possible :D
[23:14] <knome> you're welcome.