[09:31] <jamesprada> hi guys I got a one question
[09:31] <jamesprada> hi guys I got a one question?
[09:31] <jamesprada> why flash player under xubuntu is so slow?
[09:31] <jamesprada> i cannot play farmerama
[10:09] <diogenes_> jamesprada, flash is dead and currently works only in Firefox.
[13:23] <linux_love> h
[13:37] <ocho> Hello. I'm new with Linux and Xubuntu. I have just installed Xubuntu on a laptop, but the screen looks so akward, dont know why
[13:37] <ocho> https://imgur.com/05S4gz4
[13:38] <diogenes_> ocho, that's fixable.
[13:38] <ocho> Do u know how? Notice that i'm noob with linux
[13:38] <diogenes_> ocho, open a terminal.
[13:39] <ocho> Do u know a shortcut to open it? Because it's almost impossible do it with the interface like this
[13:39] <ocho> Ok, done, I opened it
[13:40] <diogenes_> if you have troubles with that interface then hit: ctrl+alt+f1
[13:40] <diogenes_> login with your username and password
[13:40] <diogenes_> and tell me when done.
[13:41] <ocho> ok, done
[13:41] <diogenes_> ok now type in there: whoami
[13:41] <diogenes_> just to see iff it gives you your username
[13:41] <ocho> yes, it gives me my user name
[13:41] <ocho> which is 'juan'
[13:42] <diogenes_> ok now type the following command:
[13:42] <diogenes_> xfconf-query -c xfwm4 -p /general/vblank_mode -t string -s "glx" --create
[13:42] <diogenes_> when you hit enter after it, you must be getting no output.
[13:44] <ocho> ok done, no output
[13:44] <diogenes_> ok now run the following command:
[13:44] <diogenes_> sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[13:45] <ocho> ok, done, now everthing is working perfectly! thank u so much
[13:45] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[13:45] <ocho> how do yyou know how to fix it?
[13:46] <diogenes_> it's a known issue on some GPUs with xpresent compositor and open source drivers it doesn't refresh the creen properly.
[13:46] <diogenes_> screen*
[13:46] <ocho> oookey, thank u so much
[13:47] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[18:45] <xu-irc9w> hi
[18:46] <xu-irc9w> newb here, just wanna know if i should have specified a larger root partition
[18:46] <xu-irc9w> cus now its like 50% full
[18:46] <xu-irc9w> i have a lot of software to install and if i run out what'll happen
[18:48] <brainwash> xu-irc9w: isn't it obvious what would happen in such a scenario?
[18:48] <xu-irc9w> is there no way to install to the /home partition
[18:49] <xu-irc9w> i looked around a lot and it sed i only needed like 20gb
[18:49] <brainwash> not when you use the package manager
[18:49] <brainwash> snap packages may be installed in /home
[18:49] <xu-irc9w> awrite, so how if i wanted to remove xubuntu then i just need to delete the partitions aye?
[18:50] <xu-irc9w> i'm running windows 10 as main
[18:50] <brainwash> I think so
[18:50] <xu-irc9w> and if i do that i can get safely get back to windows after a restart?
[18:50] <brainwash> the boot manager may remain still intact though
[18:51] <xu-irc9w> will that be a problem
[18:51] <xu-irc9w> cus i wanna reinstall with more root space
[18:51] <brainwash> did you try to resize the partition?
[18:52] <brainwash> that may be possible
[18:52] <xu-irc9w> resizing means i would have to reinstall rite
[18:52] <brainwash> not quite
[18:53] <xu-irc9w> how do i resize the partition then
[18:55] <brainwash> I would try with gparted
[18:55] <brainwash> it's a partition editor
[18:56] <brainwash> and it's present on the live ISO
[18:56] <xu-irc9w> awrite
[18:56] <brainwash> you can install it manually also
[18:56] <brainwash> of course
[18:57] <xu-irc9w> sounds scary xD
[18:57] <xu-irc9w> i just tried resetting the bootloader using command prompt
[18:57] <brainwash> but it may be necessary to resize the root partition while the OS is not running
[18:57] <xu-irc9w> and it isn't working
[18:57] <xu-irc9w> bcdedit /set “{bootmgr}” path \efi\microsoft\boot\bootmgfw.efi
[18:58] <xu-irc9w> cus when i restarted it was still showing the os selection screen
[18:58] <xu-irc9w> if i delete the partitions now and i restart will it mess up my windows
[18:59] <xu-irc9w> i'd rather do a clean reinstall of xubuntu
[18:59] <xu-irc9w> and how much space you reckon for the root
[18:59] <brainwash> since you do not touch the window partitions, it should not mess with them
[18:59] <brainwash> windows
[18:59] <xu-irc9w> okay and in bootup as well
[18:59] <xu-irc9w> right
[19:00] <xu-irc9w> i plan to use it for mainly dev stuff
[19:00] <brainwash> ideally, you should have a backup of important data
[19:00] <xu-irc9w> gulp
[19:00] <xu-irc9w> there you go... i've no means to backup that large a data
[19:01] <xu-irc9w> is there a possibility that a restart might screw up my windows
[19:01] <xu-irc9w> after i remove linux
[19:02] <brainwash> only if you delete the windows partition(s)
[19:02] <xu-irc9w> okay
[19:02] <xu-irc9w> thanks
[19:02] <xu-irc9w> here goes nothin
[19:02] <brainwash> the bootloader part can be restored I'd think
[19:02] <brainwash> or the next installation will set up a new bootloader


[02:02] <httpdss> does anyone know if there is any plaxo (as a resource) for kontact being developed ?
[02:09] <httpdss> its like a web service that works as a personal online agenda (contacts and event calender) ... http://www.plaxo.com/
[02:10] <httpdss> there is a thunderbird plugin for it...
[02:11] <httpdss> and also works with M$ outl**k
[10:06] <_Sime> I can't open mulitple Kates now... anyone know how to fix this?
[10:11] <Lure> _Sime: I think Tonio_ added some magic to desktop file...
[10:12] <Lure> you should be able to start tem from shell ;-)
[01:19] <hunger> Any idea why my display keeps getting darker at random times?
[01:20] <Lure> hunger: just when inactive or in general? Laptop?
[01:20] <hunger> Lure: When my laptop is on AC and I am working on it.
[01:21] <hunger> Lure: Suddenly the milo brightness dialog comes up and the screen gets much darker.
[01:21] <hunger> Lure It is a T43p (Lenovo Thinkpad)
[01:21] <Lure> interesting... my notebook has only HW key controls for brightness
[01:21] <hunger> using kpowersave.
[01:22] <Lure> do you use kpowersave - I know it has some brithness settings in last version
[01:23] <Lure> maybe you scheme in powersave changes (not sure why) and causes change in brightness setting
[01:24] <hunger> Lure: Possible.
[01:24] <hunger> Lure: I wonder why that would happen though.
[01:24] <hunger> Well, something for eft to fix;-)
[01:26] <jpatrick> or us to fix in eft
[01:46] <freeflying> Riddell: I got lots feedback that beta's install cd can not install grub
[01:47] <\sh> same I heard yesterday for ubuntu espresso install
[01:48] <freeflying> \sh: seems this is know ?
[01:54] <\sh> dunno..but looks like..
[02:09] <kmon> kubuntu live beta torrent for amd64 is way sloow....
[02:12] <jpatrick> can someone confirm bug #40628 ?
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40628 in kmediafactory "kmediafactory seems to depend on mjpegtools to work." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40628
[02:48] <mornfall> Riddell: ping?
[02:49] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee
[02:49] <jpatrick> hi everyone
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi jpatrick
[02:51] <Lure> hi evertone
[02:51] <Lure> s/evertone/everyone/ ;-)
[02:52] <jpatrick> although evertone sounds better
[02:53] <jpatrick> I'll be dead by that time
[02:54] <Lure> can somebody confirm bug 35581 - I cannot reproduce...
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35581 in kubuntu-meta "dapper f5 live: administrator mode doesn't work in systemsettings" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35581
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: really?  why?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> hypoglycaemia?
[02:56] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: i get hungry
[02:56] <Hobbsee> good point
[02:58] <jpatrick> I'm off to lunch
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Lure: trying to reproduce
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: i cant reproduce that - p/w box comes up, it wont accept the wrong p/w, it does accept the correct p/w
[03:01] <Lure> exactly - I do not know whay they got such behaviour - it is too bad to be true
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: it seems commonly reported.  does it happen on a new user?
[03:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: good point - I have dual boot with Kubuntu Beta (no update yet) and will try there
[03:05] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you did something to Riddell?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay.   mine's always worked in dapper, all the way thru the flights (installed off flight 1, and flight 4)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> mornfall: er...duct tape and locked him in the cupboard?  how'd you figure that out?
[03:06] <mornfall> Hobbsee: he doesn't react
[03:07] <Hobbsee> mornfall: idle for an hour....
[03:07] <mornfall> so probably the duct tape prevents him from reaching keyboard? :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:07] <Hobbsee> well, the problem probably is more that he cant see the screen, to know when to type
[03:11] <raphink> let's fix kipi-plugins for gallery2 support :)
[03:12] <raphink> small yet useful :)
[03:12] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hey raphink
[03:12] <raphink> thanks for the reporting about the kopete patch Hobbsee, that was a very nice one :)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> raphink: no problem :)  _arthurb_ first mentioned it in here though
[03:13] <raphink> :)
[03:13] <raphink> good
[03:13] <raphink> my #1 bug to fix now is the korganizer one
[03:13] <raphink> which is horrid
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ewww
[03:13] <raphink> and I don't have the knowledge to fix it myself in a reasonable time
[03:14] <raphink> I mean shipping a korganizer that crashes everytime you try to add/edit an event is not an option
[03:15] <Lure> raphink: which bug - I am adding events on daily basis...
[03:15] <raphink> Lure: really?
[03:16] <raphink> I have this bug even on debian sid
[03:16] <raphink> and people ahve it on BSD too
[03:17] <Lure> raphink: bug id?
[03:17] <raphink> let me find it
[03:18] <raphink> Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/39419
[03:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim korganizer "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Confirmed]
[03:20] <Lure> interesting... the only thing I can think of is that I have recreated my ~/.kde with Flight 6
[03:20] <Lure> (I did manually move from Breezy)
[03:21] <Lure> Maybe is something that was left by older korginizer in config files that makes 3.5.2 unhappy
[03:22] <Lure> raphink: you tested korganizer through kontact?
[03:22] <raphink> both
[03:23] <Lure> and I suppose your chroot tests where on clean user (no upgrades)...
[03:24] <raphink> Lure: sorry i'm a bit busy I'll test again soon
[03:26] <raphink> not sure I tested with a clean profile Lure
[03:26] <raphink> I'll do that
[03:27] <Lure> raphink: since it crashes in Q widget, I suspect it may have to do with screen resolutions potentially
[03:27] <raphink> ah
[03:27] <raphink> that's weird
[03:27] <raphink> the weird thing is that editing tasks works fine
[03:27] <raphink> but not events
[03:27] <Lure> I will test on my desktop which does not have high-res display (145 DPI) - maybe I can reproduce there
[03:28] <Lure> yes, but todo has different dialog than event
[03:28] <Lure> it may be good to run with valgrind...
[03:28] <raphink> I reproduced it on 3 machines
[03:28] <raphink> with different resolutions
[03:29] <raphink> Lure: crashes just the same with a clean profile
[03:29] <raphink> on dapper, up-to-date
[03:31] <Lure> it looks this crash is due to assert (checking index 56), maybe some field is limited to 55 elements and you have more...
[03:32] <Lure> raphink: you tested on english or french?
[03:32] <raphink> french
[03:32] <raphink> I don't have anything in the fields
[03:33] <Lure> that might be - all reporters have non-english names...
[03:33] <Lure> ;-)
[03:33] <raphink> since I'm adding an event
[03:33] <raphink> hmm
[03:33] <raphink> I'll test in english US then
[03:35] <raphink> Lure: crashes all the same in US english
[03:52] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[03:53] <mornfall> Riddell: hi
[03:53] <mornfall> Riddell: when will debtags update get back to debtags postinst?
[03:53] <mornfall> people cry about adept not working all the time
[03:53] <Riddell> I don't think it can, the build daemons don't have internet access so it times out
[03:54] <Riddell> is that what makes adept think the apt database isn't there?
[03:54] <mornfall> Riddell: yes
[03:54] <mornfall> adept depends on debtags specifically because of the postinst
[03:54] <Hobbsee> so he escaped from the duct tape and the closet!  welcome back Riddell!
[03:55] <Riddell> mornfall: can't it just ue the debtags database that debtags has?
[03:56] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[03:56] <mornfall> Riddell: the one generated by debtags update?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:56] <mornfall> :)
[03:56] <Riddell> mornfall: doesnt it have one to fall back on?
[03:57] <Riddell> what happens if there's no internet access?
[03:57] <Riddell> which is the case with the live fs build, and probably a fair proportion of traditional style installs
[03:57] <mornfall> debtags update has fallback -- but there is no fallback if the binary index is not there
[03:58] <mornfall> there's also debtags update --local
[03:58] <mornfall> from some point onwards
[03:59] <mornfall> Riddell: but you don't have tags in Packages file, do you?
[04:00] <Riddell> let me download it and ee
[04:00] <Riddell> see
[04:00] <mornfall> Riddell: anyway, there's /usr/share/debtags/ IIRC with *some* database
[04:00] <Riddell> there's tags-current.gz
[04:01] <mornfall> Riddell: so you should be able to put file:///usr/share/debtags into debtags/sources.list
[04:01] <mornfall> and let debtags update run
[04:02] <mornfall> Riddell: it also gives you a way to fix kde/gnome/other selection of adept_installer (if the local database is used you can fix that one)
[04:15] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: any tips for new upstream release updating for PackGuide?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> er...what?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: i know it's getting kinda late, but that sentence isnt making much sense no matter how many times i read it!
[04:17] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'm working on the PackGuide now
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yes...
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh, for how to upgrade a package that upstream has released?
[04:17] <jpatrick> and you had some points on the updating package bit
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh...from a conversatoin that i had with Riddell many months ago..
[04:18] <Hobbsee> which i pastebinned for a guy?
[04:18] <jpatrick> something for ubuntu-motu
[04:18] <jpatrick> from*
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:20] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: this?  http://pastebin.com/676887
[04:21] <jpatrick> ok, I'll right up a bit on it
[05:09] <Riddell> mornfall: I've uploaded a copy of debtags that includes a copy of the files needed in /var/lib/debtags
[05:09] <Riddell> sorry for messing that up
[05:31] <mornfall> Riddell: i still think that there's a proper way to do that (like using debtags update on a local-only database)
[05:31] <mornfall> no idea how you generate the file in /var/lib, but if it's tdb it's architecture-dependent IIRC
[06:00] <Riddell> mornfall: the version of debtags in ubuntu doesn't seem to have the --local
[06:06] <mornfall> Riddell: but if default sources.list has nothing remote, it won't fetch anything now, will iT?
[06:06] <mornfall> it*
[06:06] <mornfall> but yeah, there'll probably be this problem with upgrade path
[06:06] <mornfall> Riddell: whatever, if it works...
[06:17] <OdyX> Who cares about Kubuntu's iconset ?
[06:18] <Tm_T> kwwii I think
[06:18] <OdyX> 'cause I wondered about Ogg's icons...
[06:19] <OdyX> I have a video with Vorbis and Theora... Icon stays "loudspeaker"
[06:20] <Tm_T> OdyX: well, problem of ogg video when it's not .ogv
[06:21] <OdyX> Tm_T: Ogv is no known extension...
[06:21] <Tm_T> true, but I have seen it somewhere :p
[06:21] <Tm_T> and that did tell me directly what it is
[06:21] <OdyX> Tm_T: AFAIK (after reading the Ogg specs), Ogg is a container... could contain only video with no sound.
[06:21] <Tm_T> true
[06:22] <Tm_T> ogg is just container, normally containing vorbis-audio
[06:22] <OdyX> BUT... I just tried to rename it...
[06:22] <OdyX> it doesn't change anything...
[06:22] <Tm_T> ugh
[06:22] <Tm_T> might be mime problem
[06:22] <OdyX> in properties, it is still said "Ogg Vorbis sound"
[06:23] <Tm_T> well, then container tells it's audio perhaps?
[06:23] <OdyX> Tm_T: could be that my Ogg is bad formed....
[06:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: That's it....
[06:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: the file in Examples is treated correctly.
[06:28] <OdyX> Tm_T: so this is a thoggen error.
[06:56] <OdyX> Tm_T: bug kde 109598
[06:56] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 109598 in general "konqi needs to be a bit tolerant with theora headers" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109598
[08:37] <Tm_T> OdyX: aah, interesting
[08:38] <jpatrick> Tm_T: that took a while to reply to
[08:38] <Tm_T> it did?
[08:38] <Tm_T> nah, I don't think so
[08:39] <jpatrick> let's see an hour and a half
[08:40] <jpatrick> say*
[08:40] <Tm_T> that's not much
[08:41] <jpatrick> max is 5 months
[09:57] <MidMark> devels: there are no <IP_ADDRESS> for mozilla browser and email client?
[09:58] <jpatrick> raphink: ping
[09:58] <raphink> pong jpatrick
[09:58] <jpatrick> REVU request: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2300
[09:58] <raphink> not right now
[09:58] <raphink> send me a mail about it
[09:59] <raphink> I'm busy with a few bugs
[09:59] <jpatrick> just so you know :)
[09:59] <raphink> ok
[10:00] <jpatrick> and anyone else that can revu
[10:01] <raphink> sure
[10:03] <raphink> Lure: seems you're right about i18n && korganizer bug
[10:03] <raphink> I'm testing stuff on the live CD right now
[10:03] <raphink> and it seems switching languages provokes the bug
[10:04] <raphink> jpatrick: the week has just begun ;)
[10:04] <Lure> raphink: good - at least it is more clear now
[10:04] <raphink> I'm still testing to get sure of it
[10:04] <jpatrick> well in two hours
[10:04] <jpatrick> night
[10:04] <raphink> I consider weeks begin on sunday :)
[10:04] <jpatrick> ;)
[10:05] <Lure> yes, and jpatrick is already done with this one ;-)
[10:05] <raphink> hehe right
[10:05] <raphink> that's right
[10:06] <jpatrick> bye now
[10:45] <raphink> hmmpf
[11:35] <Tonio_> hey
[11:46] <raphink> allee: I updated kipi-plugins with a patch for gallery2 export, if you feel like forwarding that to debian
[11:56] <allee> raphink: Thx. For the info: My current todo is first digikam, then the imageplugins and kipi-plugins.
[11:56] <raphink> it's very fast
[11:57] <raphink> just take the patch and forward it if you feel
[11:57] <raphink> it allows to log into gallery2
[11:57] <raphink> which is currently not possible
[11:57] <raphink> but many people have switched to gallery2 now
[12:00] <allee> raphink: yeah, I've seen the gallery2 discussion and patch in kde-imaging ml
[12:01] <raphink> ok
[12:01] <allee> raphink: but I was too busy lately :(
[12:01] <raphink> there has been 3 patches
[12:01] <raphink> so I've merged them in one
[12:01] <raphink> that's applied in kipi-plugins now
[12:01] <raphink> in ubuntu
[12:01] <allee> raphink: lots of bug fixing is currently going on in kipi-plugins.  They try to finalize a 1.0 release
[12:01] <raphink> great
[12:02] <raphink> that'll be for edgy
[12:02] <allee> raphink: yes, it will be too late.
[12:02] <allee> raphink: + for dapper
[12:03] <raphink> yes
[12:03] <allee> raphink: pity because the html export plugins has quite some bugs. and it's successor sounds promising
[12:03] <raphink> mhm


[01:26] <luisssssss> hello everyone i installed several days ago Xubuntu 15.10, everything was fine until now, i power on my pc and i do not have the network manager applet on panel is gone. Can some one help me to get that back please?
[01:27] <DrCool> did you already try to right click and go to "Add New Items"
[01:27] <DrCool> maybe that will not work
[01:35] <Network2501> lol
[07:48] <Drtro> I'm having trouble installing Xubuntu. When I start my PC, it doesn't recognize Ubuntu and in Windows disk manage, it still shows Windows as having the entire disk. However when I boot the Xubuntu live disk, it shows the 100GB partition of Xubuntu I installed.
[07:53] <ducasse> Drtro: does the PC have UEFI?
[07:53] <Drtro> Yes it does
[07:54] <ducasse> Then Xubuntu needs to be installed while the PC is booted in UEFI mode - at least it used to, but it think it still does. Otherwise you can't easily dual-boot.
[07:54] <ducasse> Windows will see GPT disk labels, while Xubuntu most likely sees MBR.
[07:54] <ducasse> I think. :)
[07:54] <Drtro> I did. I installed from USB (UEFI).
[07:55] <ducasse> What do you see the partitions with from Xubuntu - gparted?
[07:55] <Drtro> I was running Linux Mint before today. Then I wiped my drive and installed 8.1. Now I'm installing Xubuntu and it doesn't show up when I hit esc after power and choose what to boot from
[07:55] <Drtro> and the partition doesn't even show up in Windows disk manager
[07:55] <Drtro> still shows Windows as having the entire 500GB partition
[07:56] <ducasse> That's really odd. Maybe you should run a chkdsk or something from Windows to see if the filesystem is still intact.
[07:58] <ducasse> There are more people in #ubuntu, maybe someone there can help you. My only guess would be that one OS uses GPT and the other MBR on the same disk.
[08:26] <choi> for the last 3 month i cant use ununtu and  xubuntu in my pc
[08:26] <choi> i dont kwno the problem
[14:37] <wizzy___> Hey. Anyone knows if it's possible to disable the alt+tab window on the secondary monitor?
[18:16] <Drtro> When creating a USB drive with Rufus, should I select "GPT Partition Scheme for UEFI" or "MBR Partition Scheme for UEFI"
[18:21] <qwertz_> hi there. what could regenerate /etc/X11/xorg.conf in between boots? that file configures an NVIDIA card in my laptop which i currently have disabled. thus, booting on the onboard Intel device fails.
[18:53] <RFleming> Greetings!
[18:54] <RFleming> ... /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/themes are the default global directories for xfce4 icons and themes.  What are the user specific directories?
[18:55] <RFleming> is it ~/.local/share/thems and ~/.local/share/icons ?
[19:29] <GeekDude> My mouse theme doesn't seem to stick very well after a reboot. It will say it's still set to my theme in the settings, but it doesn't look like it until I deselect then reselect the theme.
[19:30] <GeekDude> The cursors are saved in ~/.icons
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> GeekDude: You can make them stick by looking at dconf-editor (in the dconf-tools package) or by using GSettings
[23:02] <Rxton> hi !
[23:03] <knome> hello
[23:04] <Rxton> I'm a noob with xubuntu and i try to connect this pc on a microsoft network
[23:05] <Rxton> i've installed system config samba
[23:06] <Rxton> but when i try to open it nothing happens
[23:06] <Rxton> if someone know a solution...
[23:07] <knome> open what?
[23:08] <Rxton> the config of samba
[23:09] <knome> what exactly did you install then?
[23:10] <Rxton> i try to install samba but it fails
[23:11] <Rxton> on doc.unbuntu i have followed a link that explain to install system config samba (for xubuntu)
[23:11] <Rxton> the install is ok
[23:12] <Rxton> but i can't run it
[23:13] <Rxton> maybe there's another solution to join the network ?
[23:47] <ozbrk> hey guys have you ever seen brainwash here lately ?
[23:53] <ozbrk> guess no one see the brainwash here lately hmmm gues he left?
[23:54] <Unit193> ozbrk: /ns info brainwash


[04:21] <asdjaputra> does ubottu have seen command?
[04:22] <rww> asdjaputra: no
[04:22] <rww> in fact,
[04:22] <rww> !seen
[04:22] <rww> ;)
[04:22] <asdjaputra> hmm
[04:22] <rww> (this is a deliberate design decision)
[04:22] <asdjaputra> it would help to have one, since ubuntu is a big channel
[04:23] <rww> why?
[04:25] <asdjaputra> since ubuntu is a big channel, and people come in/out everytime i can't see where did my friend go
[04:25] <asdjaputra> i would like to see when he last logged in
[04:25] <rww> if they use nickserv, /msg nickserv info nicknamehere
[04:26] <rww> if they don't use nickserv, too bad :\
[04:27] <rww> well, assuming they're not in your logs. I usually just /lastlog to find that out if need be
[04:27] <asdjaputra> hmm i think nickserv will do the job
[04:27] <asdjaputra> i won't be online 24/7
[04:28] <asdjaputra> thanks rww
[04:28] <rww> welcome
[08:13] <Ms_Angel_D> Hello
[08:13] <Ms_Angel_D> Is there anyone I can speak with about recieving an IRC cloak?
[08:22] <bazhang> Ms_Angel_D, irc cloak? or ubuntu member cloak
[08:23] <bazhang> !member
[08:24] <bazhang> general cloaks in #freenode
[08:28] <Ms_Angel_D> bazhang I'm a ubuntu member and I would like a cloak...sorry I was afk for a few https://launchpad.net/~mrsangeld
[08:31] <bazhang> Ms_Angel_D, okay just wait for someone to approve and activate jussi tsimpson nhandler topyli ^
[08:32] <bazhang> well activate, no approval needed
[08:33] <Ms_Angel_D> :)
[08:36] <rww> bazhang: you forgot elky, and nhandler isn't a group contact :P
[08:39] <Ms_Angel_D> sorry I'm a bit confused on how this works...basically I'm trying to be given permanent access to the ubuntu forum mods IRC channel..which they say can't be done w/o a cloak..and I'm not really sure how the cloak works..lol
[08:40] <rww> Ms_Angel_D: basically, we have to wait for one of the IRC Council people to appear
[08:40] <Ms_Angel_D> aww ok well then I guess we wait ty rww
[08:41] <rww> Ms_Angel_D: also, you may want to relay to that channel's staff that invite exceptions can be set per nickserv account with (for example) /mode #channelname +I $a:Ms_Angel_D
[08:41] <rww> i.e., no, you don't need a cloak to do it :)
[08:41] <rww> and it's even preferred to do it that way, since it doesn't break on cloak changes
[08:42] <oCean> rww: there isn't an ubottu factoid for this (pinging ircc members for cloak request I mean)
[08:42] <rww> oCean: no, there isn't
[08:43] <oCean> I thought IdleOn e suggested one, but maybe I'm mistaken
[08:43] <Ms_Angel_D> rww: I relayed the message
[08:48]  * Ms_Angel_D is away: Gone away for now
[17:28] <rafaellaguna> Hi there!
[17:33] <rafaellaguna> I need a bit of help with cloaking
[17:35] <IdleOne> !cloak
[17:37] <rafaellaguna> I'm already registered at IRC, and my launchpad page is launchpad.net/~rafaellaguna
[17:37] <rafaellaguna> The FAQ says I need to ask about it here
[17:37] <rafaellaguna> Sorry, I'm a noob with this
[17:41] <IdleOne> no problem. :)
[17:41] <IdleOne> topyli elky tsimpson We have a new Ubuntu member who would like a cloak.
[17:42] <IdleOne> rafaellaguna: Just be patient and someone will activate your cloak soon and congratulations on membership :)
[17:42] <rafaellaguna> Thank you so much :)
[17:46] <Myrtti> congrats
[17:47] <rafaellaguna> Thanks
[18:22] <scofield> hi
[18:25] <Myrtti> mmm
[18:26]  * Ms_Angel_D is back.
[18:32]  * rww looks for IRC Council people again
[18:33] <rww> wow, really, still none around
[18:33] <IdleOne> wonder if we should ask to add a couple of GC's and would they consider it.
[18:34] <IdleOne> need break.
[18:34] <rww> maybe we should just mandate that IRCC members can't be from the same country as another member :P
[18:36] <rww> also, the maximum is generally four
[18:41] <m4v> oCean: the IRCC has "IRCC" as a highlight, so no factoid needed
[18:41] <m4v> ircc ircc ircc ircc ircc
[18:48] <oCean> m4v: ah, ok
[19:31]  * Ms_Angel_D is away: Gone away for now
[19:37] <Fuchs> Ms_Angel_D: could you turn your public away message off, please?
[20:07] <bkerensa> =o
[20:07] <bkerensa> * ubuntulog_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[20:07] <bkerensa> =/
[20:07] <bkerensa> he rejoined all the other channels just not ours
[20:09] <rww> which channel are you again? i forgot :<
[20:09] <rww> WA or OR
[20:11] <rww> oh, there you are
[20:11] <rww> bkerensa: email rt at ubuntu com asking for it to be fixed, it's Canonical-maintained
[22:15] <Nafallo> jpds: seems ubot2 isn't triggered on !info in #u-se again.
[22:15] <Nafallo> jpds: !ping works :-p


[08:48] <lux3> hi
[08:48] <lux3> when installing mythbuntu, do i need 3rd party software enabled?
[08:48] <lux3> and how much space does a master backend need?
[10:37] <lux3_> is 20gb enough for running a master backend? (recordings go on another partition)
[10:56] <lux3> what do i have to choose as installation method? background service with user interface(1st option)? i want to run a master backend+sometimes frontend
[11:03] <lux3> i can't find my remote in the list in the installation, what should i select?
[11:03] <lux3> should i set the default remote and customize after installation?
[11:04] <lux3> ah i guess i'll just select hauppauge tv card, maybe that will work
[11:05] <lux3> what does "generate frontend restart mapping" do?
[11:49] <lux3> hi
[11:50] <lux3> can i import a mysql backup i did with the mythconverg backup script via control centre "backup and restore"?
[11:53] <lux3> the control centre hangs when applying the repo change to 0.26. what could be wrong?
[11:53] <lux3> it opens a smaller window with the status but then it hangs
[11:59] <lux3> ah tried again, now it worked
[12:58] <lux3> i set version to 0.26 in mythbuntu control centre but mythbackend --version still shows 0.25. why?
[13:33] <lux3> alright, now i managed to upgrade it
[16:46] <qwebirc86324> Hello everuone
[16:46] <qwebirc86324> everyone*
[16:47] <qwebirc86324> Ive just installed mythbuno using wubi from windows and when it loads it asks for my country and language then on the next page it comes up with conect to database in which the fields were automatically filled in but when pressing next they do not work can anyone shed any light
[17:25] <__raven> 0.26 in tv mode: volumen control does not work with any key, i already reconfigured it. ideas?


[00:00] <wrst> gnome shell on ubuntu 11.10 is working fairly well
[00:01] <cyberanger> wrst: uh, this project is one matter where it's probally worth it
[00:01] <wrst> good
[00:03] <cyberanger> just still working out some networking puzzles for the carputer type design (I'm still aiming for portable, more lanparty than truck mounted)
[00:03] <cyberanger> and some related problems towards this and swissknife-router
[00:05] <wrst> oh ok cool then :)
[00:05]  * wrst heads out for a while
[01:59] <vychune> o/
[02:02]  * cyberanger just had a fairly big dinner wonders if this is what vista feels like
[02:33] <Unit193> Good one ;)
[02:34] <cyberanger> Good Three (Sandwhiches that is) ;-)
[02:34] <Unit193> What type?
[02:50] <cyberanger> club
[02:58] <wrst> chris4585: you areound?
[03:05] <cyberanger> wrst: don't think so, but he might be around ;-)
[03:26] <chris4585> wrst, yo
[03:26] <chris4585> hope I didn't miss him
[03:36] <wrst> hey chris4585 got the answer looking for how to delete wireless networks with network manager in gnome shell
[03:36]  * cyberanger hands chris4585 another clip just in case he did miss him
[03:37] <cyberanger> oh, uh hi wrst
[03:37] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm a slow target don't make it easy on him!
[03:45] <chris4585> ah
[03:45] <chris4585> lol
[03:46] <wrst> well off to bed see you guys tomorrow!
[03:46] <chris4585> later wrst
[04:28] <electricus> anybody have any suggestions on how to stream music from your home server to your phone 'elegantly'?
[04:29] <electricus> i'm thinking subsonic so far
[04:42] <chris4585> sweet, looks like nautilus has some sort of support for the unity framework
[04:44] <chris4585> strange, I'm not too familiar with .desktop files but looks like the bit I needed is commented and still works?!
[04:49] <cyberanger> electricus: sorta working on something a bit better myself
[04:49] <cyberanger> but ampache or icecast feel like the only realistic two
[04:49] <electricus> can either of those stream video too?
[04:50] <cyberanger> icecast can, but do keep in mind, these were'n't meant for smartphones originally
[04:51] <cyberanger> ampache might, dunno one way or another
[04:51] <electricus> thanks cyberanger
[04:51] <electricus> well..i'm off to bed
[05:09] <Unit193> People go to bed early...
[13:36] <vychune> morning
[13:45] <wrst> morning vychune
[13:45] <wrst> twayneprice: how is the irccloud working ?
[13:45] <twayneprice> wrst: So far I really like it.
[13:46] <wrst> cool
[13:46] <wrst> so far so good on my internet I think they are going to make it a day without me calling them
[13:47] <twayneprice> I'm sure they are glad of that.  :)
[13:53] <vychune> o/
[14:23] <wrst> yeah I think they maybe were growing tired of the sweet sound of my voice!
[14:49] <Xpistos> Hey do you guys know about an SMF Channel?
[14:51] <Xpistos> oh yes, Morning
[14:51] <Xpistos> wrst morning
[14:57] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[15:59] <cyberanger> Xpistos: not offhand
[15:59] <cyberanger> but all my tv channels start with http://
[16:00] <cyberanger> so perhaps that's why
[17:54] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[17:57] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: how's it going ... sorry i haven't got back to you yet about the ec2 deployment ... let me know when you want to look at that
[17:59] <cyberanger> fairly well, just waiting for an appt here
[18:12] <Xpistos> is it possible to get enlightenment installed on natty?
[18:13] <wrst> Xpistos: I would think so :)
[18:14] <wrst> depends on how much you want to work I'm sure :P
[18:17] <Xpistos> I like enlgihtment and I have not used it for about 2 years
[18:17] <Xpistos> and I want to go back
[18:20] <twayneprice> wrst: did you try out irccloud?
[18:20] <wrst> no I haven't yet twayneprice had a lot going on at work and not had a chance sounds pretty good
[18:21] <wrst> I just wonder what it will cost ?
[18:21] <twayneprice> me too.  I just noticed that I have invites to give out and I wasn't sure if you had to have an invite to try it out.
[18:48] <Unit193> Xpistos: Bodhi is E based on Ubuntu 10.04...
[18:49] <chris4585> wrst, whats good homeslice?
[18:50] <wrst> twayneprice: I don't but wouldn't care to give it a look
[18:50] <wrst> chris4585: its friday ;)
[18:51] <chris4585> indeed it is
[18:51] <Xpistos> I got it working
[18:52] <Xpistos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1768427
[18:53] <wrst> twayneprice: thank you will give that a go this weekend
[18:53] <twayneprice> wrst: no problem
[18:53] <wrst> that's a really really cool idea
[18:54] <chris4585> I had to fight apt-get to get dockbarx installed the other day... wasn't fun, but very simple solution, I had to force it
[18:56] <Xpistos> who can you auto hidden the dock at the bottom?
[18:56] <Xpistos> wrong window
[19:09] <Xpistos> God, I fogot how much I love enlightenment
[19:21] <cyberanger> Xpistos: well, enlighten us as to why
[19:22] <Xpistos> basically when i isntall gnome I get rid of all my panels
[19:22] <Xpistos> and have a dock
[19:22] <Xpistos> done already
[19:22] <Xpistos> the config files are easy to edit
[19:22] <wrst> Xpistos: you don't care for unitye either?
[19:22] <Xpistos> and there are a good amount of themes that are really nice at e17-stuff.org
[19:23] <cyberanger> just too simple then, I presume?
[19:23] <Xpistos> LOL
[19:23] <Xpistos> I like a clean desktop
[19:23] <Xpistos> my clutter is in my data folder
[19:23] <wrst> Xpistos: i do also that's one thing i have been liking about gnome 3
[19:23] <Xpistos> wrst: you said unity!
[19:23] <Xpistos> wrst: shell?
[19:23] <wrst> yes Xpistos
[19:24] <Xpistos> I just had all kinds of problems with shell
[19:24] <wrst> Xpistos: when did you try gnome shell and did you try it on ubuntu?
[19:24] <Xpistos> both were about four months ago the last time
[19:25] <wrst> oh no wonder
[19:25] <wrst> gnome 3 on ubuntu stinks and that was a hack job ppa at that ;)
[19:25] <wrst> look at it on fedora 15
[19:25] <wrst> or the alpha of 11.10, its ok but still a little to be desired the vanilla version is very good
[19:25] <wrst> with just a little tweaking
[19:27] <Xpistos> I actually was dl fedora15 yesterday to give it a lookie see
[19:28] <wrst> i really like gnome shell, and its very clean but Xpistos if you use it you will want to install gnome-tweak-tool
[19:28] <wrst> lets you adjust some power options add all the buttons to the windows
[19:40] <Xpistos> so is e17 a different version of x or not?
[19:48] <chris4585> Xpistos, e17 is just a desktop environment like gnome or KDE
[19:48] <chris4585> actually e17 is much closer to gnome-shell
[19:48] <Xpistos> 10-4
[19:48] <chris4585> I had to get gnome-tweak-tool from git
[19:49] <chris4585> wrst, one thing that gnome-shell seems to be missing in 11.10 is the thing where the windows go half screen
[19:49] <chris4585> I don't know how to get that working
[19:50] <wrst> chris4585: its still a ways I think from being very good in ubuntu, but its just alpha 1
[19:50] <chris4585> yes, I can definitely see that but I've had fun using it, I prefer it over any other desktop right now and what better to have it on than ubuntu
[21:17] <wrst> chris4585: arch, fedora 15, etc etc ;)


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[09:53] <twouters> any idea what causes /var/lib/cloud/instance to become a directory instead of a symlink? i've seen this happening when /var filesystem is full (cloud-init fails with OSError: [Errno 28] No space left on device) and fails on subsequent reboots with IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/var/lib/cloud/instance'
[09:53] <twouters> I understand that a full filesystem is likely to result in unexpected behaviour, but I'm trying to figure out when the path is created as a directory instead of symlink
[09:54] <twouters> I'm guessing a mkdir -p alike situation where /var/lib/cloud/instance doesn't exist as a symlink, but can't seem to spot it in the code
[14:23] <chillysurfer> thanks for the review smoser on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/509! was there anything else you wanted to see changed or answered?
[15:02] <rharper> twouters: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1883903
[15:03] <twouters> oh, how could i miss that
[15:03] <rharper> it's recent fix
[15:05] <twouters> thanks, i know what to do now :)
[15:06] <rharper> twouters: cool!
[15:53] <chillysurfer> smoser: thanks for the comment on the pr! you ask about documentation, this seems like it's more helpful for the developer than the user. you think documentation in the form of comments in the get_public_ssh_keys function should suffice as long as it is verbose enough?
[15:56] <smoser> chillysurfer: some datasource
[15:56] <smoser> IBMCloud has a good docstring at the top of DAtaSourceIBMCloud
[15:56]  * smoser out
[15:58] <chillysurfer> smoser: "some datasource" -> not sure i understand? you mean document this behavior in the docstring at the top of DataSourceAzure?
[18:21] <Odd_Bloke> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/515 <-- pytest have released 6.0.1 which fixes the pylint failures we saw with 6.0.0
[20:34] <smoser> chillysurfer: yes. that is a good place to document the general behavior of the IMDS/datasource


[00:08] <iamthelostboy> perfect
[00:08] <iamthelostboy> thanks :)
[20:45] <sadmac> Keybuk: ping
[20:48] <Keybuk> hello
[20:49] <sadmac> Keybuk: ah, you're around :)
[20:50] <Keybuk> briefly
[20:50] <Keybuk> what's up?
[20:50] <sadmac> Keybuk: so what's been moving with upstart? I've been distracted for awhile so I haven't even seen if you've pushed code in awhile
[20:50] <Keybuk> busy coding on it ;)
[20:50] <Keybuk> no pushes though
[20:50] <sadmac> keeping all the fun to yourself yet again :)
[20:51] <Keybuk> I'm doing what all the cool people (ie. git users) do
[20:51] <Keybuk> code in private, then rework all the commits before pushing
[20:52] <Keybuk> mostly just because I keep changing function names and filenames
[20:52] <Keybuk> and that kind of thing is hell for a revision control system
[20:52] <sadmac> there's a NetworkManager Sucks flamewar on fedora-devel, which got me thinking about replacing NM with a series of upstart jobs
[20:53] <sadmac> what do you think?
[20:53] <Keybuk> NM is just fine the way it is
[20:53] <sadmac> eh. probably.
[20:53] <Keybuk> Upstart is just a service manager
[20:53] <sadmac> I know
[20:53] <Keybuk> you'd still need the mechanism daemon and policy agent of NM
[20:53] <sadmac> but what occurs to me is so is NM
[20:54] <Keybuk> just that NM would use Upstart's service manager for things like wpa, dhclient, etc.
[20:54] <Keybuk> which I've already talked to dcbw about
[20:54] <sadmac> it occured to me awhile ago actually that reimplementing our sysvinit network service in Upstart would probably be most of NM
[20:55] <Keybuk> NM has a lot more know-how about things
[20:56] <sadmac> that and it introduces some service relationships that we don't have now (the 'network' state is up when ANY of the 'interface' states are up EXCEPT the 'lo' interface..)
[20:57] <sadmac> did you do any of that writeup/documentation stuff you wanted done?
[20:57] <Keybuk> not yet
[20:59] <sadmac> damn. that means I have to do coursework now instead of hacking on stuff.
[21:02] <Keybuk> I apologize, but the problem was not a network one at all.  The
[21:02] <Keybuk> problem was that the NetworkManager did not have dependencies
[21:02] <Keybuk> installed correctly, and turned out to be related to a peculiar
[21:02] <Keybuk> yum/Anaconda install scenario.
[21:02] <Keybuk> --
[21:02] <Keybuk> so it wasn't even an NM problem? :p
[21:04] <sadmac> Keybuk: wrong thread I'm guessing.
[21:05] <sadmac> Keybuk: its the System Config Tools Cleanup Project thread
[21:05] <sadmac> Keybuk: someone wanted to remove the system-config-network gui (which hasn't changed since like 1993) and people were like OMG THEY'RE GONNA MAKE US USE NETWORMANAGER!!!!!!


[00:19] <s-fox> Hello.
[02:21] <maheanuu> I am having a problem with the Document Viewer. No matter what I try to open the Doc Viewer pops up a
[02:23] <maheanuu> I am running Ubuntu 10.10 and this started just a couple of days ago.  I cannot find any way to return to any other viewer
[02:25] <aveilleux> maheanuu: So evince is opening *every* file?
[02:25] <aveilleux> maheanuu: Or attempting to open
[02:25] <maheanuu> It doesn't matter if I am trying to look at files on an ext hard disc yes apparently no matter what i try
[02:25] <maheanuu> Yes, and I end up with nothing working
[02:26] <aveilleux> maheanuu: You can try uninstalling it, if you don't need a PDF reader
[02:26] <maheanuu> exactly aveilleux
[02:27] <maheanuu> I have a pdf reader on my firefox, so don't need the Document reader at all, but I cannot seem to find a way to uninstall the dam thingh
[02:27] <aveilleux> maheanuu: From Terminal: sudo apt-get remove evince
[02:31] <maheanuu> Thanx aveilleux, that did everything I wanted....   I looked and looked and begged and asked with no joy...   you have been the biggest help I have found
[02:31] <aveilleux> maheanuu: No problem \o/
[02:32] <maheanuu> How did it appear all of a sudden?  That is the question I would like to have answered
[02:34] <trinikrono> does that happen with evince regularly?
[02:35] <aveilleux> maheanuu: I've never encountered a problem like that before.
[03:21] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[03:21] <kristian-aalborg> giving the expert mode install a try ;)
[03:21] <kristian-aalborg> as I need *not* to have grub written at the end
[04:12] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: when installing to cf/sd, do you get everything right from the start or tweak things later?
[04:12] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i have only installed to SD card
[04:12] <kristian-aalborg> I tried making an install with only / but it failed me
[04:12] <holstein> and it seems just like normal
[04:12] <holstein> except for GRUB
[04:13] <holstein> i like to install grub to the SD card
[04:13] <kristian-aalborg> what kind of machine do you have it on?
[04:13] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i have an old EEE900
[04:14] <holstein> thats what i did the install on
[04:14] <kristian-aalborg> ah, I was fighting an Eee 2g surf recently
[04:14] <holstein> but, the SD card has booted on several other machines
[04:14] <holstein> an eee1001p
[04:14] <holstein> and an hpmininote 2133
[04:14] <kristian-aalborg> what file system do you use?
[04:14] <holstein> usually just ext4
[04:15] <holstein> BUT, sometimes i do an ext2 with no swap
[04:15] <holstein> ^ thats probably what you should do
[04:15] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking of getting an IDE adapter
[04:15] <holstein> and you'll have more space on the SD without swap
[04:15] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, swap is not good for sdhc it seems
[04:16] <holstein> hardly ever got used anyways
[04:16] <holstein> *swap
[04:16] <holstein> but, yeah, ext2 without swap is the way to go
[04:16] <holstein> til btrfs gets straight
[04:16] <holstein> i did a btrfs install
[04:16] <holstein> took 4 EVER
[04:17] <kristian-aalborg> there was another flash file system, but it seems abandoned
[04:17] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i wouldnt lose sleep over it
[04:18] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: if i were you
[04:18] <holstein> i would probably try to get a machine
[04:18] <holstein> with no other HD's in it
[04:19] <holstein> try installing to that CF drive in the pcmcia thingy
[04:19] <holstein> and get it booting
[04:19] <kristian-aalborg> none of my machines can boot from it
[04:19] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: AH
[04:19] <holstein> theres the problem then
[04:19] <holstein> now i remember
[04:19] <holstein> you'll have to do something complicated i bet
[04:19] <kristian-aalborg> the oldest one (surprisingly) sees it sometime before grub
[04:20] <holstein> to get that pcmcia loaded
[04:20] <holstein> and readable
[04:20] <holstein> AND a bootloader
[04:20] <kristian-aalborg> with a bit of luck, I just have to move it to that machine, then update grub
[04:20] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you might want to check out some other boot loaders
[04:21] <holstein> i have no suggestions though ;)
[04:22] <kristian-aalborg> it's okay, worst case scenario is that I just keep running from hdd
[04:22] <kristian-aalborg> I fear there might be a bottleneck also... the pcmcia could well be so slow that the advantages of CF are lost
[04:23] <holstein> should be fine
[04:48] <ubuntu_> Anybody know how long it takes to resize a swap partition on an external USB hard drive?
[04:49] <holstein> ubuntu_: have you already started?
[04:50] <holstein> well, im heading out
[04:50] <ubuntu_> It's been taking forevor. I don't know if I should stop it or start again.
[04:50] <holstein> but, i was going to try and talk you out of it
[04:50] <holstein> could take a while i suppose
[04:50] <holstein> depends really
[04:51] <ubuntu_> do you have any experience in that?
[04:51] <holstein> not a swap partition
[04:51] <ubuntu_> I'm trying to put linux on an external
[04:51] <holstein> ubuntu_: are you 30 minutes in?
[04:51] <ubuntu_> 2 hours in
[04:51] <holstein> hmmm
[04:52] <holstein> well, i guess you could sleep on it
[04:52] <holstein> and see if its done the the AM
[04:52] <ubuntu_> true
[04:52] <ubuntu_> oh well, thank you anyways.
[04:52] <holstein> maybe someone else will know
[04:52] <holstein> i say, dont bother
[04:53] <holstein> anyways.. good luck
[04:53] <ubuntu_> thanks
[10:47] <yuler> how do I connect to facebook through nautilus?  Supposedly, one can add photos this way.
[10:51] <bioterror> no you dont
[10:51] <bioterror> nautilus is a file manager, facebook is a web page
[10:52] <bioterror> oh look
[10:52] <bioterror> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/nautilus-facebook-image-uploader-script/ google gave something like this
[10:56] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:05] <yuler> Yes, bioterror, but Nautilus can connect to a remote server.  My question is if it can connect to Facebook.
[12:15] <JackyAlcine> o/
[12:20] <s-fox> \o
[15:23] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: yo
[15:25] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: o/
[15:25] <kristian-aalborg> so, I managed to put debian on the CF card.... grub is  acting up, though
[15:28] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: is it booting the OS on the CF card?
[15:31] <kristian-aalborg> nope
[16:12] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: the errors I get suggest the BIOS is not up to it
[16:12] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: yeah?
[16:12] <kristian-aalborg> which makes sense, given the age of it
[16:12] <holstein> i suppose you could flash it
[16:13] <holstein> i went all around town a couple years ago trying to find floppy discs to flash a bios
[16:18] <kristian-aalborg> this baby will flash from cd
[16:19] <holstein> cool
[16:19] <kristian-aalborg> but I think it's just too old perhaps... 1997 is a long time ago for some things :)
[16:38] <simar> hello everyone...
[16:40] <s-fox> Hello.
[19:57] <melsaswah> hey every one
[19:57] <melsaswah> i need some help on installing ubuntu
[19:58] <melsaswah> i can't get the cd to launch
[20:26] <bdfhjk> Hi!
[20:27] <bdfhjk> Please look at this bug
[20:27] <bdfhjk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clicompanion/+bug/691515
[20:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 691515 in clicompanion "setting language only works for utf8" [Undecided,New]
[20:27] <bdfhjk> It is invalid?
[20:28] <bdfhjk> any comments?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> looks valid. Can you reproduce it? That is a good starting point to triage a bug, attempt to reproduce it your self.
[20:37] <charlie-tca> You should always be able to use language settings other than utf8 for applications
[20:38] <bdfhjk> hm...
[20:38] <bdfhjk> I can do that do who report bug
[20:38] <bdfhjk> And then not working
[20:38] <bdfhjk> But
[20:38] <bdfhjk> I not sure that
[20:38] <bdfhjk> LANG=nl_NL
[20:38] <bdfhjk> is vaild
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Yes, it is
[20:39] <bdfhjk> So what may cause that bug?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It installs for Netherlands
[20:39] <true2self> hello
[20:39] <bdfhjk> true2self: hello
[20:39] <charlie-tca> I don't fix bugs, I only triage them. Developers fix them, which is very different. I don't need to know how to fix a bug to know it is valid.
[20:42] <bdfhjk> I concerned about ''' (process:29197): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. '''
[20:42] <true2self> bdfhjk:  are you asking how to file a bug report?
[20:43] <bdfhjk> true2self: I asking about what may cause bug, I am working at path
[20:43] <true2self> ok
[20:44] <bdfhjk> maybe this bug is related to GTK, not CLI Companion
[20:47] <bdfhjk> anyway thanks charlie-tca for help
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:48] <bdfhjk> :-)
[20:48] <Cheri703> I have a computer running 10.10, and the fonts (in applications and menus and everything) are weird. Like they're missing a row of pixels or something. I don't know how to describe it. it's like they're not fully rendered or something. I tried messing with it in the fonts tab under appearances, but no real change
[20:49] <bdfhjk> Cheri703: I have the same issue on 11.04
[20:49] <bdfhjk> Do You use notebook/netbook ?
[20:49] <Cheri703> any solution? it's really annoying
[20:49] <Cheri703> it's on a desktop
[20:49] <bdfhjk> What is your screen resolution?
[20:50] <Cheri703> 1280x768
[20:50] <Cheri703> ha
[20:50] <Cheri703> just changed it
[20:50] <Cheri703> previously it wasn't giving me many options for resolution
[20:51] <Cheri703> I changed it to 1280x800 and it's happier
[20:51] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[20:51] <charlie-tca> There is an option for anti-aliasing fonts that also helps with that
[20:51] <bdfhjk> I have worst situation
[20:52] <bdfhjk> in my netbook only resolution, with I can use, is 1024x600
[20:52] <bdfhjk> charlie-tca: do You remember where it is?
[20:52] <charlie-tca> I don't. I use Xubuntu, and it is under my appearance settings
[20:59] <Cheri703> charlie-tca: that didn't help mine, bdfhjk system > preferences > appearance > Fonts
[21:00] <bdfhjk> thx
[21:01] <charlie-tca> It doesn't always, sometimes it really is dependent on the the lcd itself. bdfhjk might benefit when natty releases, since it is more tuned to those smaller screens
[21:02] <charlie-tca> sometimes changing fonts also will help make the letters more clear.
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Droid is supposed to be pretty good
[21:34] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know if sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-dx-team/une sudo && apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unity is the official ppa install for Unity in Maverick?
[21:35] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: Unity is in the default repositories...
[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> I'll check aveilleux :)
[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks aveilleux :)
[21:45] <aveilleux> MrChrisDruif: You're welcome
[21:54] <bdfhjk> If I plan to create program for ubuntu, can I use qt ?
[22:02] <aveilleux> bdfhjk: I don't see why not
[22:03] <bdfhjk> It can be later added by MOTU to standard, ubuntu (gnome) repository
[22:03] <bdfhjk> The most applications using gtk
[22:20] <aveilleux> bdfhjk: Just because a program is written in Qt doesn't exclude it from being included in the repository
[22:21] <bdfhjk> ok
[22:21] <bdfhjk> thanks again :-)
[22:21] <aveilleux> bdfhjk: VLC is written in Qt
[22:42] <javierbravoconde> hi there
[22:43] <MrChrisDruif> Hai javierbravoconde
[22:43] <javierbravoconde> does anybody knows how to check if your IRC nick is registered?
[22:44] <javierbravoconde> i've tried to follow the official step by step but looks a bit complicated
[22:44] <javierbravoconde> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[22:44] <javierbravoconde> (i'm using pidgin btw)
[22:46] <javierbravoconde> :)


[01:06] <mup> PR snapd#4725 closed: tests: avoid removing preinstalled snaps on core <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4725>
[01:48] <mup> PR snapcraft#1988 opened: RFC: elf: only set rpaths to libs of the same arch <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1988>
[06:32] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu (cc mvo): ack, thanks. I was running stable core and local built from master deb
[06:32] <zyga-ubuntu> That explains it then
[06:36] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: would you mind looking at https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/350156100#L5241 ?
[06:37] <zyga-ubuntu> looking
[06:37] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: I'm puzzled by the failure cause it only fails on 16.04 i386 and debian-9. it is failing in a file I edited, but not a test case I edited. I don't see how PR 3998 would cause this to fail, and if it did, why it would be specific to i386 Ubuntu and debian-9
[06:37] <mup> PR #3998: snap-confine, snap-seccomp: utilize new seccomp logging features <Created by tyhicks> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3998>
[06:37] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: but I've done 3 retries and it always fails, for just those two
[06:38] <zyga-ubuntu> hmmm debian 9 and i386 xenial
[06:38] <zyga-ubuntu> I'll look into it after breakfast
[06:38] <zyga-ubuntu> I should get going :)
[06:39] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: ok. thanks! I've looked at my changes in that pr, but you might want to double check
[06:40] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: the only thing I was thinking is maybe there restore() or the snap removes were leaving artifacts, but again, why just those two?
[06:40] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: have a nice breakfast :)
[06:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#1987 closed: pluginhandler: add option to disable patchelf for a part <enhancement> <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1987>
[07:43] <mup> PR core#84 opened: xdg-open: switch to "snapctl user-open" based implementation <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/84>
[08:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#1959 closed: elf: only patch elf files that aren't referenced by DT_NEEDED <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1959>
[08:23] <jamesh> zyga-ubuntu: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/supporting-desktop-themes-via-the-content-interface/4122
[08:41] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, hi, so actually turns out that removing the ~/snap directory didn't fix my issue with snap-confine failing with permission denied
[09:13] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: I know your busy, but curious if you found anything onthe  PR 3998 spread test issue
[09:13] <mup> PR #3998: snap-confine, snap-seccomp: utilize new seccomp logging features <Created by tyhicks> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3998>
[09:14] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: I ask, in part, because popey and friends would love to see PR 3998 in 2.32, and I need to chat with mvo about that, but only once it lands
[09:14] <popey> +1 :)
[09:15] <popey> It blocks a bunch of electron apps which try to chown, and games which try to setpriority
[09:16] <jdstrand> I've enumerated what this fixes in the PR too
[09:21] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: ish, I'm testing a fix now
[09:21] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: it took me $FOREVER because I didn't have my linode key and I had to bring the i386 qemu image over
[09:21] <zyga-ubuntu> it's testing locally now
[09:28] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: oh, if you have a moment, can you paste the diff? I'm curious what it was
[09:28] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: sure, though not sure it works :)
[09:28] <zyga-ubuntu> in 3 min I will know
[09:28] <jdstrand> :)
[09:28] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, is there a way to get more debug logs from snap-confine? I'm not sure what that failure is about
[09:29] <jdstrand> as mentioned, I was pretty puzzled by it
[09:29] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: you can set SNAP_CONFINE_DEBUG=yes SNAPD_DEBUG=1
[09:29] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: that will show you way more things
[09:31] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, thanks
[09:32] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, that gives me this message: 2018/03/07 09:32:12.793577 cmd.go:102: DEBUG: core snap (at "/snap/core/current") is older ("2.31.1") than distribution package ("2.31.1+18.04")
[09:33] <zyga-ubuntu> ackk: that's okay, that's coming from parts other than snap-confine though
[09:35] <jdstrand> roadmr: fyi, I think this is another one like yesterday: https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/love-game/revisions/231/
[09:36] <BjornT_> sergiusens: this is what i currently have for bug 1752538: https://github.com/bjornt/snapcraft/commit/676457cfc4ad090387ea9d807ceca521bb936f01
[09:36] <mup> Bug #1752538: Building snap using base-18 is broken with 2.39 <Snapcraft:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1752538>
[09:36] <jdstrand> ralsina: and hi! :)
[09:41] <ackk> zyga-ubuntu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vDQrQvj8JR/ is the full strace
[09:47] <mup> PR snapd#4796 opened: cmd/snap: "current"→"installed"; "refreshed"→"refresh-date" <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4796>
[09:50] <Chipaca> kyrofa: o/?
[10:03] <roadmr> hey jdstrand ! Let me check
[10:09] <Dianomic_Stefano> Hi, we have developed a service (FogLAMP) that uses avahi, it is visible using the command 'avahi-browse' when it runs in Ubuntu Server - but it is not visible when it runs in a snap in Ubuntu Core, any suggestions ?
[10:09] <roadmr> jdstrand: yes, sorry about that. I'll unwedge that one
[10:15] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: does your snap include an avahi daemon?
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> yes : foglamp@foglamp-core:~$ snap list
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> Name          Version                   Rev   Tracking  Developer  Notes
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> avahi         0.7-26-g89573c2           87    edge      ondra      -
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> avahi-client  0.6.32                    38    stable    ondra      devmode
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> classic       16.04                     26    edge      canonical  devmode
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> core          16-2.31.1+git606.68b2ef4  4176  edge      canonical  core
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> pc            16.04-0.8                 9     stable    canonical  gadget
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> pc-kernel     4.4.0-116.140             104   stable    canonical  kernel
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano> foglamp@foglamp-core:~$
[10:16] <Dianomic_Stefano>
[10:17] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: sorry, do you mean your _service_ is visible in avahi-browse, or your _server_?
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> this is the snap list :
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> foglamp@foglamp-core:~$ snap list
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> Name          Version                   Rev   Tracking  Developer  Notes
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> avahi         0.7-26-g89573c2           87    edge      ondra      -
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> avahi-client  0.6.32                    38    edge      ondra      -
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> classic       16.04                     26    edge      canonical  devmode
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> core          16-2.31.1+git606.68b2ef4  4176  edge      canonical  core
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> foglamp       1.2.0                     x1    -         -          devmode
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> pc            16.04-0.8                 9     stable    canonical  gadget
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> pc-kernel     4.4.0-116.140             104   stable    canonical  kernel
[10:19] <Dianomic_Stefano> foglamp@foglamp-core:~$
[10:20] <Dianomic_Stefano> foglamp is our snap
[10:20] <Dianomic_Stefano> I installed avahi-client to being able to use 'avahi-client.browse'
[10:21] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: you said
[10:21] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: you " have developed a service […]  that uses avahi, it is visible using the command 'avahi-browse' when it runs in Ubuntu Server"
[10:21] <Dianomic_Stefano> if I start foglamp in a Ubuntu server (in the same network) - I can see the service in the Ubuntu core using 'avahi-client.browse -a -t'
[10:21] <Chipaca> ah
[10:22] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: ok
[10:22] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: so, how does your snap talk to the avahi snap?
[10:22] <Dianomic_Stefano> if I start foglamp within the 'foglamp snap' I can't see the service running using 'avahi-client.browse -a -t' (and foglamp is running for sure)
[10:23] <Dianomic_Stefano> so, should I configure my snap 'foglamp' to talk with the avahi snap ? how ?
[10:23] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: the avahi snap exposes avahi-observe and avahi-control
[10:24] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: you probably need to connect your snap to avahi-control to add services, but I'm not sure
[10:24] <Chipaca> ondra: can you inform us?
[10:25] <Dianomic_Stefano> thanks for helping...
[10:54] <Chipaca> niemeyer: could you make spread look in ~/snap/google-cloud-sdk/current/.config/gcloud/ as well as ~/.config/gcloud for the google creds?
[11:02] <ondra> Chipaca Dianomic_Stefano hi, sorry in the meeting, will have a look after
[11:23] <mup> PR snapd#4797 opened: many: add the snapd-generator <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4797>
[12:08] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano ping
[12:10] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano you can use avahi-client as example how to implement and connect to avahi snap daemon service.
[12:10] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano source for avahi client is here https://github.com/kubiko/avahi-client
[12:11] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano depending how you want to expose your service, you can either use dbus, socket interface, or you can as well use content interface for service and simply place service file in there
[12:36] <Saviq> niemeyer: "Cannot allocate google:fedora-27: cannot allocate new Google server for fedora-27: required 'compute.images.useReadOnly' permission for 'projects/computeengine/global/images/fedora-cloud-base-27-1-6-x86-64'" when trying to use google with fedora images
[12:36] <Saviq> https://travis-ci.org/MirServer/mir/jobs/350005082
[12:58] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: hi! :)
[12:58] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: what happened with the test?
[12:59] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: if you're busy, I understand, but I need to get it working so if you can't, can you tell me what you think it is?
[13:00] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: re, so I tested it a little but then we found another bug that broke the test entirely
[13:00] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: (squashfs)
[13:00] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: we fixed that
[13:00] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: and as soon as this lands I can merge master and see if my fix is ok
[13:01] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: and while this happens I'm fixing the snap.mount unit for containers
[13:01] <zyga-ubuntu> and that's where we are
[13:01] <zyga-ubuntu> I wrote down the list of bugs we found this weeks so that we can keep track of things and not forget it
[13:04] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: hey ok. yay for bug fixes! boo you are hitting them all at once. but yay people are here to interact with! but ... ;)
[13:04] <jdstrand> heh*
[13:04] <zyga-ubuntu> jdstrand: yeah, I hope to get to roughly the same bug count we had in the morning soon :D
[13:04] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: thank you. not trying to be a pest (do I have to try?)
[13:05] <jdstrand> zyga-ubuntu: haha
[13:06] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: thanks, I'm going to take a look to it.
[13:06] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano you are welcome :)
[13:37] <Chipaca> kyrofa: o/?
[13:48] <jamesh> popey: I've got a skeleton themes package.  Where did you want me to upload it?
[14:07] <popey> jamesh: did we agree to put it under snapcrafters?
[14:08] <jamesh> popey: yeah.  So I guess github.com/snapcrafters/gtk-common-themes?
[14:10] <popey> yes
[14:10] <popey> if you put it somewhere on github I can import it into snapcrafters jamesh
[14:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#1988 closed: elf: only set rpaths to libs of the same arch <bug> <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1988>
[14:21] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra:hi, our service, foglamp, uses dbus so we have to expose that type of functionality. is it something related to changes in the snapcraft.yaml file only or is it something also in the code that we have to change/adapt ?
[14:55] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano if you are using dbus, then all you need to defined in your snapcraft.yaml is avahi-control plug
[14:55] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano then once you install your snap, snap connect <your snap>:avahi-control  avahi
[14:56] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano define plug like this https://github.com/kubiko/avahi-client/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L32
[15:01] <niemeyer> Saviq: Fixed the role so that everybody has access to that permission too
[15:01] <niemeyer> Saviq: Please let me know if you see anything else like this
[15:08] <Saviq> niemeyer: thanks!
[15:08]  * Saviq tries
[15:21] <Saviq> niemeyer: we hit ENOSPC on the fedora images, should we grow the partition ourselves? I suppose cloud-init does it on ubuntu hosts?
[15:21] <Saviq> s/hosts/nodes/
[15:25] <cachio__> Saviq, are you running on google?
[15:27] <cachio__> Saviq, how much space do you need?
[15:28] <kyrofa> Hey Chipaca, I'm here now!
[15:28] <kyrofa> Are you?
[15:29] <kyrofa> Our days almost completely miss each other while you folks are in budapest
[15:35] <Chipaca> kyrofa: i am
[15:35] <Chipaca> kyrofa: hello
[15:35] <Chipaca> kyrofa: let's talk about timestamps in our commands' output
[15:35] <kyrofa> Chipaca, hey there, sure!
[15:36] <Chipaca> kyrofa: so, we want to let people tinker with the output of stuff easily using grep/cut/etc
[15:36] <Chipaca> kyrofa: so for that it looks like RFC3339 is the way to go
[15:37] <Chipaca> that's the nassty YYYY-mm-ddTHH:MM:SSzzz format
[15:37] <Chipaca> but, because that's nasty for humans, we'd like to also offer friendlier timestamps
[15:37] <Chipaca> current proposal is for it to be "NN days ago, at HH:MM:SS ZZZ"
[15:37] <kyrofa> Chipaca, would supporting outputting json be better for such use-cases?
[15:38] <Chipaca> kyrofa: I think json would be a nice addition, but not replace things
[15:38] <kyrofa> Fair enough. Default to the human-friendly ones?
[15:38] <Chipaca> yeah
[15:38] <Chipaca> one nit with the human-friendly one is that if N is big, it's not that useful
[15:38] <kyrofa> Works for me. At some delta, does it make sense to switch from "days ago" to a date?
[15:38] <kyrofa> Exactly
[15:39] <Chipaca> say, "779 days ago, at 09:35 PST"
[15:39] <kyrofa> Yeah totally
[15:39] <Chipaca> yeah
[15:39] <kyrofa> I think more than a week it's not very useful
[15:39] <Chipaca> I think switching to just a YYYY-mm-dd after that would be alright
[15:39] <Chipaca> I don't have a good, locale-aware way of printing that unfortunately
[15:40] <Chipaca> (but everybody should understand that particular one ,right? i mean, it's iso :-p )
[15:40] <kyrofa> I'm trying to think if times would still be useful to know for some things. Like when snaps were released
[15:40] <Chipaca> kyrofa: I think i'd set the cutoff a bit further out than a week
[15:40] <Chipaca> precisely because it drops time precision
[15:41] <Chipaca> but if you need to know the time of something further out than that i'm not too worried about you having to grok the rfc3339 nastiness (because aiui it'd be rare)
[15:41] <kyrofa> Good point, if we support that it covers everything
[15:41] <kyrofa> However, you raise a good point about locale. We need a way to do the same thing across both go and python
[15:42] <kyrofa> Would it be easier to forgo the "days ago" approach and just provide "YYYY-mm-dd, at HH:SS Z" ?
[15:43] <Chipaca> at my end, translating messages isn't an issue
[15:43] <Chipaca> translating times, is
[15:43] <kyrofa> Ah. Both are an issue for us :D
[15:43] <Chipaca> kyrofa: how so?
[15:43] <kyrofa> Mostly kidding-- we don't actually translate at all
[15:44] <Chipaca> kyrofa: if you do want to start doing it, you could piggyback on our catalogues
[15:44] <kyrofa> Yeah that's a larger discussion we need to have
[15:45] <kyrofa> Do you want to forgo translating the times for now, and push ahead with this? Or do some research?
[15:45] <kyrofa> I like the approach
[15:45] <kyrofa> Just need to decide the cutoff for days ago
[15:46] <kyrofa> Keep in mind that a lot of the timestamps coming from the store are without the zone, which means they're UTC if I remember correctly
[15:47] <kyrofa> Also, what option were you thinking of using for switching between them? --nasty?
[15:47] <kyrofa> Would be nice to have it be the same between tools
[15:48] <Chipaca> kyrofa: 'coming from the store', in the json? or elswhere
[15:48] <Chipaca> kyrofa: that reminds me, human-friendly times would be local, machine-friendly would be utc
[15:48] <kyrofa> Yeah, json. I think the acl timestamps are lacking zones
[15:49] <kyrofa> Chipaca, makes sense
[15:49] <Chipaca> kyrofa: we should double-check that's not a bug, and that they are indeed z
[15:50] <kyrofa> Chipaca, here I have a chat log
[15:50] <Chipaca> kyrofa: wrt flags, --absolute-times?
[15:51] <kyrofa> Hmm... doesn't seem obvious, but I don't really have a better suggestion either
[15:53] <Chipaca> kyrofa: sleep on it?
[15:53] <Chipaca> wrt cut off, 30 days?
[15:54] <kyrofa> Chipaca, https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/86bTpK98BW/ FYI
[15:54] <kyrofa> Sounds good
[15:54] <mup> PR snapd#4798 opened: snap: don't create empty Change with "Hold" state on disconnect <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4798>
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra:Hi, I changed the snapcraft.yaml of our snap in :
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano> apps:
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano>   foglamp:
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano>        command: usr/bin/wrapper-foglamp
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano>        plugs:
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano>           - avahi-control
[15:56] <Dianomic_Stefano>           - network
[15:57] <kyrofa> Chipaca, thanks for the chat, that's been bothering me for a while
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> at at the start of the service I have got : Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: Error parsing EntryGroup::AddService message Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: dbus-entry-group.c: interface=org.freedesktop.Avahi.EntryGroup, path=/Client46/EntryGroup1, member=AddService Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: Error parsing EntryGroup::AddService
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> ----
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: Error parsing EntryGroup::AddService message
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: dbus-entry-group.c: interface=org.freedesktop.Avahi.EntryGroup, path=/Client46/EntryGroup1, member=AddService
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: Error parsing EntryGroup::AddService message
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> Mar  7 15:54:35 foglamp-core avahi.avahi-daemon[1169]: dbus-entry-group.c: interface=org.freedesktop.Avahi.EntryGroup, path=/Client46/EntryGroup1, member=AddService
[15:57] <Dianomic_Stefano> --
[15:57] <Chipaca> kyrofa: perfect thanks
[15:58] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: please use a pastebin for pasting long text
[15:58] <Chipaca> Dianomic_Stefano: pastebin.ubuntu.com
[16:01] <Dianomic_Stefano> ok
[16:03] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HQJqBdNTzK/
[16:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#1989 opened: elf: don't parse elf more than we need to <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1989>
[16:15] <morphis_> kyrofa, popey: do you guys have an example snap somewhere which is using Qt+QML? I don't get one working, things are crashing just badly for me so far
[16:28] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano this looks like problem with your dbus message to the avahi service, is this working when you run it on classic system?
[16:28] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano is it working when you run it  in --devmode
[16:29] <Dianomic_Stefano> I installed using 'sudo snap install --devmode foglamp_1.3.3_amd64.snap'
[16:29] <Dianomic_Stefano> ad it produce the error messages in the syslog
[16:30] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano first make sure that your client is working well with avahi daemon before you start snapping it. Debugging in snap confinement is just adding unnecessary burden to debugging
[16:30] <Dianomic_Stefano> it works fine in a standard Ubuntu Server and using for example 'avahi-browse -t -a  -d local ' to check its existence
[16:33] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano OK once I have time I will debug with my example client avahi-client.browse -t -a  -d local
[16:33] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano as that seems to be also failing now
[16:43] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano so quick work around, avoid use of avahi-browse -a
[16:44] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano avahi does not broadcast correctly PTR record, at least what I could so far find about this error
[16:47] <popey> morphis_: i do not
[16:47] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: the point seems different:  I was able to start our service using the snap that was created having  the snapcraft.yaml having only ' plugs: [network]'
[16:48] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano I was testing with avahi-client.browse _http._tcp
[16:48] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: I was no more able to start our service when I created the snap having in snapcraft.yaml '  plugs:           - avahi-control           - network'
[16:48] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano and that works, but when I call avahi-client.browse -t -a  -d local
[16:48] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano then I get error
[16:48] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano that just means that your service was before not talking to avahi daemon at all
[16:49] <Dianomic_Stefano> but it worked fine in the standard Ubuntu server
[16:51] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano yeah because there daemon is installed as deb package and is not confined
[16:51] <morphis_> popey: hm
[16:51] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano on core apparmor will fag any unauthorised communication to the daemon
[16:52] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano so running client as --devmode does not guarantee you that you can talk to avahi snap daemon
[16:53] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano communication is secured from both sides. On server it's only from one side if you are talking to something from classic side
[16:54] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: could I completely disable apparmor ? if this could help.
[16:54] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano you can install also avahi in devmode
[16:54] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano then both sides are unconfined
[16:55] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: I'm going to try
[17:00] <morphis_> popey: I feel like the xenial Qt version was just too old and buggy for my use case
[17:06] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: same situation - https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BKPH3qCNfM/
[17:07] <Nafallo> hiya. can I overwrite ~/snap to ~/.snap somewhere? :-)
[17:14] <nacc> Nafallo: i think it's pretty well defined to be ~/snap
[17:17] <morphis_> popey: so yes, that was the problem; using newer qt prebuilt from qt.io fixes the problems and make the snap working on various Ubuntu versions
[17:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#1990 opened: tests: build and install snapcraft on osx <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1990>
[17:21] <Nafallo> nacc: i.e. I can't change it?
[17:21] <nacc> Nafallo: I don't believe so, but I'm not 100%
[17:22] <nacc> Nafallo: i think you'd need to patch snapd to do so, but I'm not sure (SNAP_USER_DATA and SNAP_USER_COMMON depend on that path)
[17:23] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano hmm, I'm not expert on avahi, so we might need to ask lathiat for help
[17:23] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano are you calling avahi-browser directly?
[17:24] <Nafallo> nacc: thanks for the response. I'll guess we need IndexIgnore for the home dir next ;-)
[17:24] <nacc> Nafallo: :)
[17:24] <Dianomic_Stefano> ondra: no, I have used 'avahi-client.browse -a -t'
[17:25] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano interestingly without changing anything vahi-client.browse -t -a  -d local does work now
[17:25] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano ok avahi-client.browse -a -t does work here
[17:25] <ondra> Dianomic_Stefano so what are you running this on?
[17:42] <ondra> zyga-ubuntu any idea what this means? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HH7NK5hPF5/
[18:04] <zyga-ubuntu> ondra: It means that the snap has a content interface plug with a default provider that does not exist
[18:04] <zyga-ubuntu> CC mvo
[18:07] <ondra> zyga-ubuntu hmm, it is installed on that machine
[18:07] <ondra> zyga-ubuntu and shouldn't this be warning instead of error blocking installation
[18:09] <ondra> zyga-ubuntu OK my bad, I had wrong version of default provider, sorry for that
[20:26] <fireclawTheFox> Hey everyone. My snapcraft plugin doesn't work when run on launchpad, quiting with "no attribute '_python_major_version'". The plugin is derived from the python plugin and does work fine if run locally. Does anyone know what could cause this?
[20:28] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: how are you building locally? cleanbuild?
[20:29] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: in any case, i'd first check the version of snapcraft locally vs. the version on LP
[20:32] <fireclawTheFox> the snapcraft version I have is the stable 2.39.2 (1177)
[20:32] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: and how are you building locally?
[20:32] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: and on what release?
[20:33] <fireclawTheFox> usually snapcraft -d I did try cleanbuild but last time I tried it stopped almost instantly with some lxd problem. Will try that again.
[20:34] <fireclawTheFox> release of what? Do you mean the Ubuntu version?
[20:34] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: yeah
[20:34] <fireclawTheFox> 16.04
[20:34] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: ok, that rules out one thought i had :)
[20:34] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: note that the snapcraft used by LP is from the debs (I believe) and is currently at 2.39.3+really2.35
[20:35] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: so you should test using that one, probably
[20:35] <fireclawTheFox> using cleanbuild I get this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z7yTYDzHJ9/
[20:36] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: yeah, i believe that was fixed in snapcaft (it's aobut using a snap to call lxd
[20:37] <nacc> kyrofa: --^ do you know if that's fixed in snapcraft? i think you had commented on this in the github issue
[20:37] <fireclawTheFox> How do I get the 2.39.3 deb version?
[20:38] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: of snapcraft? i assume you need to uninstall the snapcraft snap and install the snapcraft deb (apt)
[20:38] <fireclawTheFox> ah ok, will try
[20:38] <nacc> although that does raise the question of why the snapcraft snap is behind the the snapcraft deb
[20:38] <kyrofa> nacc, I don't believe it's fixed, we didn't want to introduce a hack in snapcraft to work around a lxd bug
[20:39] <nacc> kyrofa: ack, is there a suggestion for fireclawTheFox to workaround it?
[20:39] <kyrofa> nacc, fireclawTheFox I personally fire up a clean lxd image with a custom profile that installs snapcraft, then build in there
[20:39] <kyrofa> Not as seamless, but works well enough for me
[20:41] <kyrofa> Could also use our docker container if you like, snapcore/snapcraft
[20:41] <kyrofa> :latest is the deb, :<channel> is each channel of the snap, edge, beta, candidate and stable
[20:42] <nacc> kyrofa: ah makes sense
[20:43] <fireclawTheFox> ok, installed the deb version which gives me the same version as launchpads and as expected results in the same error.
[20:43] <magicaltrout> stupid question multiple developers, if you want to grant access to push to the same snap. Can you? :)
[20:43] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, indeed, it's not a snapcraft bug, it's a lxd bug
[20:43] <kyrofa> As long as you have lxd installed from the deb, you'll have that issue
[20:44] <kyrofa> magicaltrout, indeed you can add collaborators in the web interface of the store, but it's kind of all or nothing-- they can administer the snap
[20:44] <kyrofa> (i.e. not just push)
[20:46] <fireclawTheFox> kyrofa: I meant the error that I get because of the not existing _python_major_version, not the lxd one. I do wonder though, if the deb version is a more recent version than the sources on git, as this specific variable I was using is still there in the git sources.
[20:46] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: *older* version than what is in git
[20:47] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: the issue is presumably that, since you were using a newer snapcraft (from the snap) than what is in xenial-updates
[20:47] <nacc> kyrofa: which brings up a good point about the snapcraft snap, hsouldn't it get reverted too?
[20:47] <nacc> kyrofa: given we know it's broken for certain (*cough*) classic snaps
[20:47] <fireclawTheFox> ah ok, so I'm ahead.
[20:47] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: well, you were (when on the snapped snapcraft)
[20:47] <kyrofa> nacc, it IS? Oh no, I should have spent every day this week on that! :D
[20:48] <magicaltrout> ah yeah got it
[20:48] <magicaltrout> thanks
[20:48] <nacc> kyrofa: heh :)
[20:48] <nacc> kyrofa: it was more a question of how the snapped snapcraft works relative to the deb :)
[20:48] <nacc> (version wise)
[20:49] <kyrofa> nacc, kidding aside, I'm not sure. It's actually been released for a lot longer than the deb, but things didn't explode until we released the deb since that's what all the infrastructure is based upon
[20:49] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah
[20:49] <kyrofa> nacc, the snap works a bit differently since it bundled the correct version of patchelf
[20:49] <kyrofa> With the deb, we didn't have that option
[20:49] <nacc> kyrofa: oh sure
[20:49] <fireclawTheFox> nacc, kyrofa, does it change anything, if I switch the series of the snap reciep on launchpad (e.g. to Artful or Bionic) or will it always use the same snapcraft version?
[20:50] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, if you're building a snap in LP, I suggest always using xenial
[20:50] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: you don't (generally) want to do that :)
[20:50] <nacc> for other reasons :)
[20:50] <fireclawTheFox> ok
[20:51] <fireclawTheFox> so for now, I either have to wait until LP will update the snapcraft version or fix my custom plugin, right?
[20:52] <nacc> fireclawTheFox: yes, I believe so. The latter is probably preferable, since it seems to be dependent on external python code (which you don't control the version of)
[20:52] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, I haven't actually seen the issue you've hit. I think I missed it above
[20:52] <kyrofa> All I saw was the lxd bit
[20:55] <fireclawTheFox> kyrofa, the error I posted above was before I changed to the deb version. The new one looks like the one I get on launchpad so that's fine.
[20:56] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, ohhh, you're using a local plugin written against git master, but the deb is much older
[20:56] <kyrofa> Okay, same page now
[20:57] <nacc> kyrofa: yeah, and that's why i was asking about the snap :)
[20:57] <fireclawTheFox> yeah, I have a local plugin which was based on the snap/git version of snapcraft
[20:58] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, normally that wouldn't be a problem except we haven't had a deb release for a while so it's pretty far behind. I suggest updating the local plugin referring to the 2.35 tag
[20:58] <fireclawTheFox> will do
[21:01] <fireclawTheFox> if the standard python plugin would be able to accept custom setup tool commands (e.g. replacing the install arg) I might not even needed to build a custom plugin.
[21:08] <bashfulrobot> hey guys... how does one remove a snap from a channel in the store? I tried doing `snapcraft release {name} {rev} {channel}` with an older revision. But `list-revisions` shows both in the original channels. Isthis something that you do with the `close` option?
[21:09] <bashfulrobot> sorry - "remove a snap revision"
[21:12] <kyrofa> bashfulrobot, check `snapcraft status` instead
[21:12] <kyrofa> Or `snap info`
[21:13] <kyrofa> bashfulrobot, or, in list-revisions, look for the asterisk
[21:13] <kyrofa> Basically, the store remembers that a given snap was released into a given channel, and list-revisions shows you that
[21:13] <kyrofa> But the only thing that really matters is which revision is currently ACTIVE in that channel
[21:15] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, can you be more specific about what the plugin is doing today and what you need it to do?
[21:15] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, we're always open to adding to it
[21:15] <bashfulrobot> kyrofa: Rockstar! Thanks. Misunderstood the output
[21:15] <kyrofa> bashfulrobot, there's a lot of info there, easy to misinterpret
[21:20] <fireclawTheFox> kyrofa, it's a plugin to utilize the deployment system of the Panda3D game engine. It doesn't do that much, just calling the setup.py script with -OO and build_apps instead of install and finally copy some libs into the root directory.
[21:23] <mup> Issue snapcraft#1991 opened: Distrubuted ROS system among multiple snaps <Created by Lingaprahasam> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1991>
[21:26] <fireclawTheFox> kyrofa: you can take a look at my actual plugin here: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~fireclawthefox/thetravelingfox/snap/view/head:/snap/plugins/x_panda3d.py
[21:27] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, oh man, you're gonna be so sad making that work on 2.35
[21:27] <kyrofa> Don't throw this away
[21:30] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, so panda3d won't work with pip?
[21:32] <fireclawTheFox> kyrofa I can install it with pip, but then I have the complete engine installed which isn't really desirable. Using the deploy tools of the engine will pack up everything nicely and will save a lot of space.
[21:33] <kyrofa> fireclawTheFox, interesting, okay. As you may have seen in the code, as call setup.py install directly as a workaround for a bug, not really as a thing we expect many people need
[21:33] <kyrofa> s/as/we/
[21:33] <kyrofa> Perhaps that needs to change
[21:34] <fireclawTheFox> yeah, not sure if many people do write custom setup tools, but for those who are, having this configurable would be a welcome addition.
[21:35] <fireclawTheFox> btw, what bug are you talking about that calling setup.py install directly fixes?
[21:41] <mup> Issue snapcraft#1991 closed: Distrubuted ROS system among multiple snaps <Created by Lingaprahasam> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1991>
[22:15] <Lite5h4dow> Hi there
[22:15] <Lite5h4dow> Im having issues installing snapd
[22:15] <Lite5h4dow> from the AUR
[22:16] <Lite5h4dow> well, snapd and snapd-git both fail to build
[22:18] <Lite5h4dow> is any one here?
[22:19] <Lite5h4dow> guess not
[22:19] <Lite5h4dow> rest in pepperonies
[22:19] <bashfulrobot> kyrofa: It's actually not too bad. But it is one of those things as you work through it for the first time... 😃
[22:21] <Lite5h4dow> hello palasso
[22:21] <palasso> hello
[22:22] <Lite5h4dow> do you know anything about building snapd on arch?
[22:22] <palasso> Yeah, it's on the AUR
[22:22] <Lite5h4dow> yeah
[22:22] <Lite5h4dow> problem with that
[22:22] <Lite5h4dow> it fails to build
[22:23] <Lite5h4dow> both snapd and snapd-git fail
[22:23] <palasso> could you pastebin the output?
[22:24] <Lite5h4dow> https://pastebin.com/HwTtu8eG
[22:26] <palasso> hmmmm it's not descriptive
[22:26] <palasso> snapd gives you same output?
[22:26] <Lite5h4dow> yup
[22:26] <Lite5h4dow> same error
[22:28] <palasso> Have you considered to build the package through makepkg?
[22:28] <Lite5h4dow> yup
[22:28] <Lite5h4dow> same error
[22:28] <Lite5h4dow> its an error in the pkgbuild
[22:28] <palasso> I'll try to build it now and see what will happen
[22:28] <Lite5h4dow> autoreconf isnt a recognised command
[22:32] <Lite5h4dow> any luck?
[22:40] <palasso> It's still building, I'll let you know once it's finished
[22:40] <Lite5h4dow> ok
[22:40] <palasso> and finished
[22:40] <Lite5h4dow> xD
[22:40] <palasso> It builds on my machine
[22:40] <Lite5h4dow> huh
[22:40] <Lite5h4dow> weird
[22:40] <Lite5h4dow> could you walk me through what you did?
[22:41] <Lite5h4dow> because i built it and it broke
[22:41] <palasso> just makepkg
[22:41] <Lite5h4dow> your on arch right?
[22:41] <palasso> yeah of course
[22:41] <Lite5h4dow> ok
[22:41] <Lite5h4dow>  really weird
[22:42] <palasso> I could upload the built package for you to download if you want
[22:45] <Lite5h4dow> i think it was just my version of base-devel
[22:45] <Lite5h4dow> it was a little old
[22:45] <Lite5h4dow> yeah
[22:45] <Lite5h4dow> it installed
[22:45] <Lite5h4dow> my bad
[22:45] <palasso> Okay, nice
[22:46] <Lite5h4dow> im on a macbook, so not every package works
[22:46] <Lite5h4dow> so i had the core packages frozed
[22:46] <Lite5h4dow> frozen*
[22:46] <palasso> Ahh yeah this is a problem for arch.
[22:47] <palasso> If you freeze lost of core packages it's hard to install newer software
[22:47] <Lite5h4dow> yeah
[22:48] <Lite5h4dow> anyway
[22:48] <Lite5h4dow> ty for taking the time to help
[22:48] <palasso> yw
[22:49] <Lite5h4dow> now to see if i can get anbox installed
[22:50] <palasso> Lite5h4dow: if you wish to remain with many packages frozen consider using the Arch Linux Archive. You could point your repo to a specific date and get all software from that date (no security fixes). Otherwise perhaps you should look for some other distro that does fixed-point releases. Or maybe some strategy for rollbacks in case of regressions after updating
[22:51] <Lite5h4dow> oh ok
[22:55] <Lite5h4dow> ill definately do that
[22:55] <Lite5h4dow> but im looking into it and it seems all the current versions of the core packages support my macbook
[22:55] <Lite5h4dow> so im going to do a full upgrade tonigh
[23:34] <Thillai> hello team
[23:37] <Thillai> I have a Edge Gateway that runs ubuntu-core/15.04/stable..
[23:37] <Thillai> I am trying to install Apache2 on this device.. Does anyone have idea on thi..