[00:01] <marcoceppi> in the phpmyadmin charm? there is no line 3
[00:01] <m_3> yeah, so I deployed it naming the phpmyadmin service "myphp"
[00:01] <marcoceppi> 6
[00:01] <m_3> sorry, not config-changed, but db-admin-relation-changed
[00:02] <m_3> it creates a database "phpmyadmin", but operates on the (nonexistent) "myphp" database
[00:02] <marcoceppi> Ah, it's left over from when mysql charm created the db
[00:02] <m_3> meta/<IP_ADDRESS> contains "server_db=myphp"
[00:02] <marcoceppi> I'll fix that in the charm. I also found another bug
[00:03] <m_3> ok, I'll note it in the review... thanks, just didn't know which of those behaviors you wanted to happen
[00:04] <marcoceppi> Yeah, if you join multiple mysql services, it'll always use the last one as it's database server, needs to just use the first one and not create a phpmyadmin control db on each server
[00:05] <marcoceppi> actually, no that's right
[00:05] <marcoceppi> but the item you pointed out is correct, I'll throw that up in a min
[00:06] <m_3> yeah, it's ok to marry one phpmyadmin instance to one mysql instance... just note it in the docs
[00:06] <m_3> lots of charms have a similar limitation
[00:07] <SpamapS> indeed, haproxy suffers from this too
[00:07] <SpamapS> you can't load balance two services behind one haproxy without knowing the hostnames they need to be known by externally
[00:08] <marcoceppi> m_3: What do you mean "it's okay to marry one..."
[00:11] <SpamapS> m_3 is saying that some services shun paligamy
[00:11] <m_3> marcoceppi: if you have two mysql services around... wiki1db and wiki2db
[00:11] <m_3> it's ok to have a wiki1webdb and wiki2webdb
[00:12] <m_3> 1 for 1, no need to have a single wikiwebdb that connects to both mysql instances
[00:12] <marcoceppi> Sure, it is. But you could also have one that connects to both, right?
[00:13] <m_3> don't actually know if phpmyadmin supports that, but if it did yes
[00:13] <marcoceppi> It does, and the charm does as well
[00:13] <m_3> just saying it's extra work to make the charm handle that
[00:13] <m_3> it's ok if it doesn't
[00:13] <marcoceppi> but it already does :)
[00:13] <m_3> oh, meta/ip-address has the instance-specific data
[00:13] <m_3> gotcha
[00:14] <marcoceppi> which actually reminds me, is there a way to get the name of the service from the db-admin-relation-joined?
[00:14] <marcoceppi> Like if I join phpmyadmin service with dbwiki1 - can I get the name "dbwiki1" from a magic command?
[00:14] <m_3> which service?  local is ${JUJU_UNIT_NAME//\/*}
[00:14] <marcoceppi> The remote service
[00:14] <m_3> remote is ${JUJU_REMOTE_NAME//\/*} iirc
[00:14] <SpamapS> JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT
[00:14]  * m_3 checking
[00:15] <m_3> SpamapS: thanks
[00:15] <m_3> so ${JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT//\/*}
[00:15] <marcoceppi> Fantastic! Does //\/* work in dash?
[00:16] <m_3> had problems with that before, but haven't looked into what the deal is... it's posix and it should support it
[00:16] <m_3> typically use bash as a consequence
[00:17] <SpamapS> m_3: // is not posix IIRC
[00:17] <SpamapS> ## and %%, but not //
[00:17] <m_3> ${JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT%%/*} works in dash
[00:18] <marcoceppi> m_3: next charm will probably be bash if not in php
[00:18] <SpamapS> m_3: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html .. no //
[00:19] <m_3> I sit corrected :)
[00:19] <SpamapS> You guys can overrule my shell code edict. I feel like charm-helpers should be posix only just so that if somebody has a mountain of ksh or csh stuff, they won't have to fight with charm helpers.
[00:19] <marcoceppi> Cool, %% works
[00:20] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: I agree on that level :)
[00:20] <m_3> no, I'm fine... happy with %%
[00:22] <SpamapS> I do only think we have to care about shell *in charm helpers*. Write your hooks in bash or scala for all I care. :)
[00:22]  * SpamapS ponders running the test suite with all the other shells just to see if it works
[00:23]  * SpamapS is still not sure how comfortable he is writing enough shell code to need a test suite. ;)
[00:23] <m_3> wow, yeah, I know what you mean
[00:23] <SpamapS> still its kind of cool that we have one.
[00:24] <marcoceppi> m_3: Did switching "upstream" work in your tests?
[00:24]  * m_3 flashbacks to manual rsnapshot before rsnapshot but after dump was no longer useful
[00:25] <m_3> marcoceppi: still running... had to wipe my env a little bit ago
[00:30] <m_3> marcoceppi: beautifully
[00:30] <marcoceppi> m_3: Do you have any opinions how templating might work? I wrote a templating engine using bash that I put in file.sh however, I was thwarted when I found out bash/dash can't handle assoc arrays and passing them to functions as parameters
[00:31] <marcoceppi> I guess you would pass two arrays to the function, one with keys and one with their respective replacement values. Though I'm not sure if bash/dash maintains insert orders in arrays
[00:32] <m_3> I really think cheetah from the command-line is a great option... it really was simple to do: https://gist.github.com/1402941
[00:34] <m_3> my only concern is how sensitive it is to general markup being interpreted as special, but it would be dead-simple to manage from a charm-helper wrapper
[00:34] <marcoceppi> But, how do we build that into a charm-helper-sh function
[00:34] <marcoceppi> You'd still need to pass key/value pairs. Unless you did it one at a time?
[00:35] <m_3> nope, just have it use the current shell's env
[00:35] <m_3> set vars
[00:35] <marcoceppi> You mean, just call it globally?
[00:35] <m_3> then call ch-template(template_file)
[00:35] <marcoceppi> Ugh, I could have done that with the bash function as well
[00:35] <marcoceppi> I think I deleted that code too.
[00:35] <m_3> that's what a heredoc does in shell
[00:36] <m_3> it'd be really equiv, just easier to manage the template part in the files
[00:36] <marcoceppi> right
[00:36] <m_3> more powerful too... looping constructs, etc in the template itself
[00:36] <marcoceppi> I <3 tpl files
[00:36] <marcoceppi> I'll look into starting file.sh with this
[00:37] <marcoceppi> Suppose charm-helper-sh will just need to depend on cheetah as well
[00:37] <marcoceppi> Is this channel logged anywhere?
[00:37] <m_3> yup
[00:37] <m_3> dunno where
[00:38] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: why not just pass the resolved heredoc to the templating function?
[00:38] <m_3> but I've seen people pull logs of it
[00:38] <m_3> heredocs are hard to assign
[00:38] <SpamapS> ch_replace_file /etc/foo.conf <<EOF ..... EOF
[00:38] <m_3> there's an exec trick to do it but it's ugly
[00:39] <SpamapS> I don't actually know if shell functions can have different stdin's tho
[00:39] <marcoceppi> I think I must not be understanding heredocs
[00:39] <SpamapS> exec is fine
[00:39] <SpamapS> we are not working on sub-second charm hooks as a goal ;)
[00:39] <m_3> 'ch_replace_file file <<EOF ..... EOF' is absolutely the goal
[00:40] <m_3> yeah, exec is fine in the ch method
[00:40] <m_3> but having to exec a heredoc to assign it to a variable to pass to the ch func is ugly
[00:40] <m_3> we can figure it out
[00:41] <m_3> just putting another tool like cheetah out as a first choice
[00:41] <m_3> for more powerful templates
[00:41] <SpamapS> cheetah has enough power, it doesn't need a helper
[00:41] <m_3> then we're not gluing heredocs and snippets "pre-this and post-that" together for one config file
[00:42] <SpamapS> if you have a cheetah template sitting in your charm, the cheetah executable can take all the inputs as a heredoc, and the output file, and will do an atomic replace for it
[00:42] <SpamapS> m_3: ch_append_file file <<EOF    ;-)
[00:42] <m_3> ok, I'd be fine with just using straight cheetah in charms w/o a helper
[00:42] <SpamapS> appending works for looping too
[00:42] <SpamapS> I actually find pre/loop/post to be just fine.
[00:43] <m_3> appending works, it's just ugly to manage the config in its entirety
[00:43] <m_3> I like loops in templates :)
[00:43] <SpamapS> its a style thing
[00:43] <m_3> yup
[00:43] <SpamapS> do what makes you happy, I say
[00:43] <SpamapS> the goal of charm helpers is to help people get back to what they enjoy
[00:43] <SpamapS> not to keep them away from what they want to do
[00:44] <m_3> yeah, I wouldn't oppose any particular approach in charm-helpers... just putting ideas out there
[00:44]  * SpamapS dons cheesy voice and powder blue knit sweater
[00:44] <m_3> nice
[00:44] <SpamapS> Because you're good enough to find your passion and your fire
[00:44] <m_3> it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood
[00:44]  * SpamapS lights sweater on fire
[00:45] <marcoceppi> I thought the goal of charm helpers was world domination
[00:45] <m_3> ha
[00:46] <m_3> I really like phpmyadmin as part of a demo
[00:47] <m_3> spin up a decently-mature stack around mysql
[00:47] <m_3> then add that on in conversation as an afterthought
[00:47] <m_3> it gives a great feeling of power
[00:47] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: no that is the goal of SpamapS... it just so happens that charmers is one of SpamapS's tools
[00:47] <m_3> and the speed with which this can be done is a _real_ distinguisher
[00:48] <m_3> jcastro: note for blogging about it ^^
[00:48] <SpamapS> m_3: yeah, its pretty cool. We should try to get phppgadmin charmed up too
[00:48] <m_3> SpamapS: I liked the 'minions' MP approval note :)
[00:48] <SpamapS> m_3: and then maybe get a few of the things that can optionally use mysql | postgresql working that way so we can show how easy *that* is to switch out.
[00:48] <SpamapS> m_3: hahaha. :)
[00:49] <m_3> yeah, I did that with rails when I was putting together the basic pgsql charm
[00:49]  * SpamapS was distraught that he mispelled it minons .. glad somebody noticed it
[00:49] <m_3> swapped them out
[00:49] <marcoceppi> m_3: I'm looking over the review, what's wrong with the env/xxx files? They're just variables - I wasn't sure how else to switch between variables for each of the functions in common.sh
[00:49] <m_3> is it minons?  not minions?
[00:49] <SpamapS> m_3: the real kicker would be to also have a "mysql2pg" charm that does a migration for you
[00:49] <m_3> ha!
[00:50] <m_3> marcoceppi: it's no biggie at all.. just a mention that there are a lot of moving parts in the current setup
[00:50] <m_3> those files are sourced only from common.sh
[00:50] <m_3> so they could easily be functions inside of common.sh
[00:50] <marcoceppi> So, if I put them in a fucntion, like source_upstream, and they weren't local, would they overwrite the global scope?
[00:50] <m_3> yes
[00:50] <m_3> shell's global
[00:51] <SpamapS> 1 → 75 of 43799 results
[00:51] <marcoceppi> scoping in shell rubs me backwards
[00:51] <SpamapS> Hmm.. how long will it take me to triage all of these bugs.. :)
[00:51] <m_3> scoping in shell was an afterthought at best
[00:51] <m_3> it's biggest criticism in general
[00:51] <marcoceppi> m_3: Thanks, I'll just throw them in functions, it'll look nicer since functions names are easier on the eyes than . env/upstream
[00:52] <SpamapS> heh.. and really.. scoping.. shell.. get a real language people :)
[00:52] <m_3> don't have to at all... just a style note
[00:52] <marcoceppi> oosh? Object Oriented SHell?
[00:52] <marcoceppi> _One day_
[00:52] <SpamapS> oosh
[00:52] <SpamapS> and the windows version, woosh
[00:52] <m_3> now you're stepping into religion
[00:52] <SpamapS> and the darwin version.. oh
[00:53] <m_3> woosh... sounds like a commode flushing :)
[00:53] <m_3> rofl
[00:53]  * SpamapS wants to see a shebang, #!/bin/doosh
[00:53] <m_3> totally
[00:53]  * m_3 crying now
[01:00] <marcoceppi> Doosh, Doing Object Orientation in SHell
[01:02] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: all it needs is an editor, and you can self-publish on Kindle and Nook. ;)
[01:20] <SpamapS> ooo, cacti would be an interesting charm.. and would get even more interesting as subordinate charms were added for things like snmpd
[01:21] <SpamapS> wow cacti is like.. dead.. :(
[01:59] <m_3> dumping snow!
[02:00] <m_3> haven't played with cacti in a while... usually just been nagios and ganglia... eager to try sensu
[02:05] <marcoceppi> Another good sub-ordinate would be Splunk
[05:22] <poolie> is anyone writing docs for the lxc provider?
[05:23] <poolie> ah some in https://code.launchpad.net/~bcsaller/juju/local-troubleshooting/+merge/79193
[06:08] <SpamapS> poolie: the main docs are at https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/provider-configuration-local.html
[06:08] <poolie> got it thanks
[06:09] <SpamapS> poolie: of course, patches accepted. :) that is generated from lp:juju/docs
[06:09] <poolie> so it's now apparently stuck with just 'lxc-wait -n mbp-local-udd-0 -s RUNNING' waiting for something
[06:09] <SpamapS> poolie: that shouldn't need to wait too long
[06:10] <SpamapS> poolie: there are copious amounts of logs in the directory you've specified with 'data-dir'
[06:10] <poolie> https://code.launchpad.net/~mbp/juju/mbp-doc/+merge/86651
[06:10] <poolie> :)
[06:10] <SpamapS> poolie: I think you want container.log or master-customize.log
[06:11] <SpamapS> The review queue is pretty long at the moment
[06:11]  * SpamapS takes a gander
[06:11] <poolie> i see
[06:11] <poolie> it's ok
[06:11] <poolie> hm so it just has "Starting container" as the last message...
[06:11] <poolie> there's no rush on the mp
[06:13] <SpamapS> poolie: has the container "booted" already?
[06:14] <poolie> in what sense?
[06:14] <SpamapS> poolie: like, does it have an 'init' and subprocesses like getty and such?
[06:14] <SpamapS> lxc-start's only child would be init
[06:18] <poolie> hm, lxc-ps  --name mbp-local-udd-0 shows nothing
[06:19] <SpamapS> do you see any children of lxc-start at all?
[06:19] <poolie> there is no lxc-start (any more)
[06:19] <poolie> maybe i'll try running it again
[06:20] <SpamapS> poolie: interesting
[06:20] <SpamapS> poolie: is there an lxc-create running?
[06:20] <SpamapS> poolie: or lxc-clone ?
[06:21] <poolie> just lxc-wait
[06:21] <poolie> poor thing
[06:21] <SpamapS> stood up
[06:21] <SpamapS> just sitting there, nibbling on bread, with high hopes
[06:24] <SpamapS> poolie: usually the error will be found in container.log or master-customize.log
[06:24] <poolie> hm, run by hand i can see an error
[06:24] <poolie> not a very useful one
[06:25] <poolie> ah, container.log does have it
[06:26] <poolie> lxc_start - failed to spawn 'mbp-local-udd-0'
[06:26] <poolie> thanks
[06:27] <SpamapS> poolie: multiple users have reported odd issues where something bad happens to the lxc cache, which makes it fail to start all containers.. the resolution is to clear out /var/cache/lxc entirely.. though that does mean re-building all the master containers with debootstrap
[06:28] <SpamapS> I fear we haven't really spent enough time triaging that problem.
[06:28] <poolie> ok, i can do that
[06:30] <poolie> maybe there should at least be an error or if lxc-start exits
[06:31] <SpamapS> poolie: I think thats actually half the problem.. that lxc-start's errors aren't reported.
[06:31] <SpamapS> poolie: the other half is that lxc-start gets broken somehow
[06:31] <poolie> yeah; that may be out of scope for juju propery
[06:31] <poolie> *proper
[06:31] <poolie> but perhaps the docs can give a tip about it
[06:31] <poolie> shall i file a bug?
[06:34] <SpamapS> yes, give a look at the current bugs.. I *think* there may already been a report that just needs some more priority
[06:34] <SpamapS> poolie: and thanks for playing. :)
[06:34] <poolie> np
[06:36] <poolie> k https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/907655
[06:36] <_mup_> Bug #907655: hangs when lxc fails to start <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/907655 >
[06:37] <_mup_> Bug #907655 was filed: hangs when lxc fails to start <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/907655 >
[06:38] <poolie> i love 'destroy-environment' as a command name
[06:39] <SpamapS> it is juju's homage to the industrial revolution
[06:39] <poolie> juju hate-freedom
[06:40] <SpamapS> the go version will have juju club-baby-seals
[07:00] <poolie_> SpamapS, so i guess 'ssh' to lxc won't work?
[07:03] <poolie_> failed to spawn again, even after blowing away the cache
[07:04] <SpamapS> yes ssh'ing to them should work fine
[07:05] <SpamapS> poolie_: something else must be wrong
[07:05] <poolie_> time for strace
[07:07] <SpamapS> poolie_: even the console of the container is logged, so I'd be surprised if strace helps more than that.
[07:08] <SpamapS> poolie_: but ultimately, you should be able to 'lxc-start -n mbp-juju-local-0' and see what happens
[07:08] <poolie_> that's what i'm tracing
[07:08] <poolie_> it also fails
[07:08] <poolie_> it's not obvious to me why
[07:08] <poolie_> i need to go in a sec
[07:10] <SpamapS> poolie_: me too.. hopefully we can figure it when you pick it back up. :-P
[07:14] <poolie_> 'no distribution series: lucid' pushing a charm?
[07:23] <SpamapS> poolie_: the juju agents have some problems w/ python 2.6
[07:24] <SpamapS> poolie_: oneiric is the first series that I *know* works.. natty also should probably work.
[07:24] <poolie_> ok
[07:34] <SpamapS> and at some point in the very near future, I'll be officially opening up the "precise" series. :)
[08:33] <SpamapS> nijaba: heh, FTBFS .. oops, I forgot that you did that apt-get in the tests.. thats going to have to go away
[08:33]  * SpamapS fixes the build
[08:57] <nijaba> SpamapS: ah, didn't think of that.  easy to fix though, I just used pwgen to generate random files, I'll just grab bytes from /dev/urandom
[08:58] <SpamapS> nijaba: there are other things broken when running these tests in buildds
[08:58] <SpamapS> nijaba: $HOME is not always available
[08:58] <nijaba> really?
[08:58] <SpamapS> indeed
[08:58] <nijaba> SpamapS: what should I use?
[08:58] <SpamapS> I'm not sure thats the problem
[08:58] <nijaba> :/
[08:59] <SpamapS> there's some really really confusing double-negative logic that I can't tell is failing or not
[08:59] <SpamapS> [ ! something ] && something else && another
[08:59] <nijaba> SpamapS: in my test result analysis?
[09:01] <SpamapS> nijaba: yeah, the tests fail after the pwgen thing.. but I can't tell why
[09:01] <SpamapS> (which may suggest that the error reporting on the code is poor)
[09:01] <nijaba> SpamapS: log?
[09:02] <SpamapS> nijaba: standby
[09:03] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/778398/
[09:03] <SpamapS> nijaba: thats after patching to do a mkdir -p $HOME/.ssh
[09:03] <SpamapS> + cat /tmp//tmp/juju-helpers-tmp.yTZqTrA/result
[09:03] <SpamapS> that looks odd
[09:04] <nijaba> SpamapS: the failure is in the function, you do not get to the test of the results
[09:04] <SpamapS> heh.. mktemp -d alreayd has a /tmp prefix ;)
[09:04] <SpamapS> nijaba: ah, so the function isn't printing its errors?
[09:06] <SpamapS>     ch_peer_scp -r -p $CH_portnum -o "-q" "$CH_TEMPDIR/sourcedir/*" "$CH_TEMPDIR/destdir/" > $CH_TEMPDIR/result 2> /dev/null
[09:06] <SpamapS> no, you're just redirecting them to dev null!!
[09:07] <nijaba> SpamapS: that was just to keep the output "pretty"
[09:07] <SpamapS> lost connection
[09:07] <SpamapS> nijaba: the output should be pretty already, shouldn't it?
[09:11] <nijaba> SpamapS: please see pm
[11:12] <fwereade> hey everyone, actually off on my holidays now; have good ones one and all
[11:13]  * nijaba loves launchpad estimates: "6 minutes ago (estimated)"
[11:56] <nijaba> Would anyone know why I get a make error 255 on a line that invokes sshd, while I can see in my build log that openssh-server has been installed? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/88141044/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.charm-tools_0.2%2Bbzr102-4~precise1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:08] <nijaba> jcastro: around?
[14:55] <hazmat> jcastro, ping
[15:22] <SpamapS> hazmat: CONGRATS btw!
[15:22] <SpamapS> nijaba: reading your FTBFS .. are you still redirecting stdin/stdout to /dev/null?
[15:23] <nijaba> SpamapS: nope. see my buildd-fixes branch
[15:23] <nijaba> SpamapS: but I am stuck on this issue
[15:24] <nijaba> which occurs before doing any tests
[15:24] <nijaba> basically error 255 means "command not found" which is illogical since I added openss-server to the build deps and I can see in the log that it installs
[15:25] <mchenetz> off topic: Anybody have a preference of a hosting provider for hosting some Django code?
[15:25] <nijaba> mchenetz: AWS?
[15:26] <mchenetz> hehe… It's too expensive for me
[15:26] <SpamapS> Or appengine
[15:26] <mchenetz> Any cloud based engine seems too expensive for me… My sites get about 6000 hits a day
[15:27] <SpamapS> mchenetz: appengine is free for quite a few more hits than that IIRC
[15:27] <mchenetz> hmmm… I thought i looked at that
[15:28] <mchenetz> LEtm e take another look
[15:29] <SpamapS> 5GB of bandwidth, 657,000 blob store API calls / day, 3,000/minute...
[15:29] <SpamapS> http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas.html
[15:29] <SpamapS> 1GB of free data
[15:29] <mchenetz> you know what… I was thinkinging of Engine yard… I never looked at app engine
[15:31] <mchenetz> My fear about cloud services is that i am ring to get some hugh spike one month and owe a fortune. It may not be a valid fear, but i just don't know.
[15:31] <SpamapS> mchenetz: the free tier on appengine will just stop working before it charges you
[15:32] <mchenetz> Spamaps: even better… I will definitely try it out. :-)
[15:32] <nijaba> SpamapS: I removed the need for pwgen in the test script btw
[15:32] <SpamapS> nijaba: ok
[15:32] <SpamapS> nijaba: the 255 may be sshd's exit code, not the shell's btw
[15:33] <nijaba> SpamapS: hmm, did not think of that.  But why?
[15:34] <SpamapS> nijaba: not sure.. but its a possibility
[15:35] <nijaba> SpamapS: I wonder if they did not block the possibility to run sshd on buildds for security reasons
[15:37] <nijaba> SpamapS: regarding your option to (keep|remove) the ssh keys, how would you see that?  An additional explicit param to the copy functions?
[15:40] <SpamapS> nijaba: no just an additional step in the relation where it would be removed from authorized_keys after the copy
[15:41] <nijaba> SpamapS: yes, but if I want to keep them, how do I say I do
[15:41] <SpamapS> oh, yeah another arg
[15:41] <SpamapS> or, more useful probably is to split the key exchange into its own set of functions
[15:42] <nijaba> SpamapS: because without the keys, no possibility to issue a ch_peer_rsync/scp in a config-changed
[15:42] <nijaba> SpamapS: again, I won't be able to do the key exchange outside of a peer-relation
[15:43] <nijaba> so it is either you keep them, and you can do a copy in config-changed event, or you don't
[15:44] <SpamapS> You can though, in config-changed
[15:44] <SpamapS> You can just move the key into some other holding area
[15:44] <SpamapS> and only when the "copy stuff freely" config parameter is on, do you enable the key
[15:45] <nijaba> SpamapS: how?  every units receives the config-change event at once.  you would then need to issue to set configs to do one copy
[15:46] <SpamapS> nijaba: if they're slaves, they move the key into authorized_keys. If they're masters, they try to do the copy over and over until it works.
[15:46] <nijaba> SpamapS: hmmm... can try this.
[15:47] <SpamapS> nijaba: lets not try to solve all the world's problems right now though. :)
[15:47] <nijaba> hehe
[15:48] <SpamapS> nijaba: do you have sbuild setup where you can try your build locally?
[15:49] <nijaba> SpamapS: nope
[15:49] <nijaba> pointers?
[15:52] <hazmat> SpamapS, thanks :-)
[15:54] <hazmat> mchenetz, heroku seems to be getting more popular, and works for django/python apps
[15:59] <mchenetz> hazmat: Very expensive when you scale workers and such
[16:00] <hazmat> mchenetz for vms, linode and rackspace cloud are also competitive
[16:00] <hazmat> about 20usd/month
[16:00] <mchenetz> hazmat: i had my credit card out for linode… I am still debating on it… I like that they are about 40 minutes from me
[16:01] <hazmat> appengine is very nice if you don't mind platform tie in
[16:02] <mchenetz> hzamat: i am definitely considering app engine for my django stuff… I know you guys are ubuntu, but red hats open shift looks nice and give you a lot too...
[16:02] <hazmat> with django-nonrel going out of style (not developed anymore), long term it probably makes sense to use the appengine sql support, though it also prices out a bit more.
[16:03] <mchenetz> I am surprised ubuntu doesn't have their own cloud based services yet
[16:04] <hazmat> mchenetz, we do.. ubuntu is one of the most widely deployed operating systems in the cloud
[16:04] <mchenetz> yeah i know, but no infrastructure to sign up for as a service
[16:04] <hazmat> mchenetz, you mean  your surprised ubuntu doesn't have a free cloud hosting offering ?
[16:04] <mchenetz> yes
[16:05] <hazmat> redhat and openshift are late to the game, their trying to catch up by offering free PAAS hosting
[16:05] <hazmat> both appengine and heroku have a free tier
[16:05] <mchenetz> i agree
[16:05] <hazmat> and AWS as well for new customers
[16:06] <mchenetz> I like the way you deploy to Heroku… I use Heroku fro my rails stuff
[16:07] <mchenetz> AWS is too slow with their micro nodes (Free tiers)
[16:10] <mchenetz> I think i am going to try app engine for my Django stuff and maybe Linode for all of my other traditional sites
[16:10] <mchenetz> I appreciate the comments and opinions. Thanks...
[16:15] <mchenetz> alternative to django-nonrel: http://django-mongodb.org/ ???
[16:38] <robbiew> lynxman: nijaba: either one of you planning to go to FOSDEM?  Wondering if we can get a juju demo done in the  “Open Source Virtualization and Cloud” (OSVC2012) devroom -> http://osvc.v2.cs.unibo.it/index.php/Main_Page#Call_for_Presentations_and_Workshops
[16:40] <robbiew> of course the cfp deadline is...today :)
[16:40] <robbiew> no..tomorrow
[16:40] <robbiew> plenty of time!
[16:40] <nijaba> robbiew: looked into it but can't go, I have my kis that we
[16:40] <robbiew> they can come too!
[16:40] <robbiew> lol
[16:40] <robbiew> no worries
[16:42]  * robbiew will try to guilt lynxman into repaying the favor for LISA BoF ;)
[17:35] <jcastro> hazmat: is there a weekly G+ this week?
[17:52]  * SpamapS is going to guess "no"
[18:05] <robbiew> jcastro: no...unless you want to watch hazmat change diapers or something
[18:06] <robbiew> lol
[18:06] <jcastro> well you never know, the other guys might be doing stuff without hazmat around
[18:06] <jcastro> I mean, things don't stop around here when clint goes on holiday
[18:06] <jcastro> (or do they?) :)
[18:06] <robbiew> they don't?
[18:07] <robbiew> lol
[18:12] <m_3> in retrospect, we totally should've used 'charmers' for the more open team
[18:13] <m_3> charm-managers or charm-administrators is a better name for the other one
[18:13] <m_3> oh well
[18:17] <SpamapS> m_3: its a fair point. Unfortunately, charmers is encoded into charms now with the ppa.. so.. hindsight. ;)
[18:24] <koolhead17> http://www.moodlerooms.com/moodle-on-a-cloud/
[18:33] <SpamapS> nijaba: around?
[18:36] <nijaba> SpamapS: was about to leave
[18:36] <nijaba> SpamapS: what's up?
[18:37] <SpamapS> nijaba: I think we have to break the API that you created with ch_peer_scp. echoing results is not a good plan for boolean pass/fail logic
[18:37] <SpamapS> nijaba: and that way, we can regain the -x for debugging
[18:37] <nijaba> SpamapS: sure, what do you suggest?
[18:38] <SpamapS> nijaba: if you're ok with that, I'm going to press forward with it.. I'd rather break it now and fix the tests than have to rip it out so we can get charm-tools building again.
[18:38] <SpamapS> nijaba: just change the 'echo $result' to 'return $result'
[18:38] <nijaba> SpamapS: go for it
[18:38] <SpamapS> nijaba: but that means all consumers of the function need to be updated if they are checking the echo'd result
[18:38] <SpamapS> nijaba: we also have to take out the 'exit's
[18:38] <SpamapS> turn those into return's
[18:39] <nijaba> SpamapS: for now only one consumer, and it's not released
[18:39]  * SpamapS should have caught all this in reviewing, but was so enthralled with a working implementation, he missed it ;)
[18:39] <SpamapS> nijaba: ok cool
[18:40]  * nijaba leaves for dinner.  back later
[18:52] <_mup_> juju/ssh-known_hosts r458 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:52] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[18:59] <SpamapS> hmm.. we may need to build our own clean $HOME for the tests.. I think that makes sense given ch_peer_scp's desire to populate $HOME with stuff
[18:59] <SpamapS> I think thats the issue actually
[19:10] <SpamapS> hrm, or it was *my* issue... not *the* issue
[19:25] <SpamapS> argh, ssh commands don't seem to care what $HOME is set to
[19:28] <jrgifford> jcastro: was there anything about that rails charm? I don't see anything back on it yet.
[19:28] <jrgifford> (although my scrollback is having issues with a few other channels)
[19:36] <SpamapS> jrgifford: did you submit it for review?
[19:36] <jrgifford> SpamapS: no. i was trying to figure out what the status of the rails charm here - https://code.launchpad.net/~mark-mims/charm/oneiric/rails/trunk
[19:39] <SpamapS> looks pretty out of date
[19:39] <SpamapS> still back in "ensemble" land :)
[19:39] <SpamapS> jrgifford: are you interested in trying to revive it?
[19:39] <jrgifford> SpamapS: that is correct, i am interested in trying to revive it.
[19:40] <jrgifford> do you recommend that I start with that, or start over from scratch?
[19:41]  * jrgifford has no clue what he's doing, but knows it needs to be done.
[19:41] <SpamapS> m_3: hey ^^ is that the latest rails charm you have?
[19:42] <SpamapS> jrgifford: it looks like a pretty decent start
[19:42] <SpamapS> jrgifford: charms for frameworks like that are really just scaffolding... you'll likely have to mod them up a bit to work with any real rails app
[19:42] <koolhead17> nijaba: are you back
[19:43] <jrgifford> except for one problem... it doesn't actually install rails, it just sets everything up for rails to be installed. ;)
[19:43] <m_3> SpamapS: yup, was planning on reviving it over the holidays
[19:44] <SpamapS> m_3: you should work w/ jrgifford
[19:44] <m_3> sure
[19:44] <SpamapS> m_3: oh, and don't use libmysqlclient16-dev .. 'libmysqlclient-dev' will always get you the latest one.
[19:44] <m_3> that charm installs rails through bundler
[19:44] <m_3> then it gets the version your app depends directly on
[19:44] <jrgifford> ok. so it does it from a gemfile then?
[19:44] <m_3> yup
[19:45] <jrgifford> ok. that's actually how i was going to do it.
[19:45] <m_3> it installs gems, then bootstraps gems to be able to use bundler, then installs your bundle
[19:45] <jrgifford> so that means i'm not completely insane with that idea.
[19:45] <m_3> teh only thing that's totally not done but should be is to use rvm
[19:45] <m_3> well, or it's shared insanity :)
[19:46] <jrgifford> well... i was working on that originally.
[19:46] <jrgifford> (rvm)
[19:46] <jrgifford> was using the railsready script as a starting place to kinda hack it together.
[19:46] <m_3> heck, I even have lots of rails apps that almost all use different versions of rails
[19:46] <m_3> so marrying that to the gemfile makes sense
[19:46] <jrgifford> thats true.
[19:48] <m_3> jrgifford: well you wanna work on that one together?
[19:48] <jrgifford> m_3: you betcha
[19:49] <m_3> BTW, I was planning on switching the charm itself over to ruby
[19:49] <m_3> to show juju to ruby/rails groups
[19:49] <jrgifford> that'd be slick.
[19:50] <jrgifford> appeal to the chef/puppet crowd, right?
[19:50] <m_3> similar to what I've done in lp:~mark-mims/charm/oneiric/varnish/trunk
[19:50] <SpamapS> m_3: why should it use rvm? ;-)
[19:50] <m_3> plan to extract the lib/charmtools out to charm-helpers-ruby
[19:51] <m_3> or perhaps using the chef gem to do most of it
[19:51] <SpamapS> m_3: like, is rvm really necessary for everybody? or just for those who like to marry themselves to one version?
[19:52] <m_3> rvm is really pretty common now
[19:53] <m_3> during the transtion between ruby 1.8 and 1.9, it's a pretty good idea to lock it down
[19:53] <SpamapS> common, but why?
[19:54] <m_3> perhaps less useful in another 6mos or so
[19:54] <SpamapS> because we'll have 1.9.3 in precise?
[19:54] <SpamapS> don't the vas majority of ruby users end up using 1.8 still anyway?
[19:54] <m_3> just a wild-guess, but I'd think half the rails apps deployed in the wild are on each
[19:54] <m_3> newer rails takes advantage of 1.9
[19:55] <m_3> there're lots of motivations (speed) to move to 1.9
[19:55] <SpamapS> Ok, but why do you need rvm for that?
[19:55] <m_3> you don't... rvm just makes it easier to say "my app depends on x.x.x version of ruby"
[19:56] <m_3> like gemfiles do with rails versions (and gem versions in general)
[19:56] <SpamapS> Heh.. which, btw, turns into a wonderful messy stew of requirements. ;)
[19:56] <m_3> like npm files do for node apps
[19:56] <m_3> yes, true
[19:56]  * jcastro comes back in
[19:56] <jcastro> m_3: yeah, do it in ruby
[19:56] <SpamapS> but yeah, rvm is the way people do things
[19:56] <jcastro> we need some more language diversity
[19:57] <m_3> but it manages to resolve them for the most part... just have to wait for the 'bundle install' to finish
[19:57] <SpamapS> Indeed, and rails devs will appreciate the hooks being in ruby
[19:57] <jcastro> actually, let me rephrase, we need to have charms in the language that people who care about that service would be familiar with.
[19:57] <m_3> right
[19:57] <jcastro> not just bash bash bash
[19:57] <m_3> hence the rails charm in ruby
[19:57] <SpamapS> m_3: we should consider making it easy to build debs of any version of ruby/php/etc.
[19:58] <SpamapS> m_3: just so that you can deliver a binary via apt, rather than bundler which may take a bit to get thigns done
[19:58] <m_3> I really liked your gem2deb
[19:58] <SpamapS> debigem
[19:58] <SpamapS> gem2deb is something else
[19:58] <m_3> oh, gotcha
[19:58] <SpamapS> perhaps somewhat inspired by debigem ;)
[19:58] <m_3> that worked really well with rails3 packages
[19:59] <SpamapS> yeah, gem2deb is now the standard way all ruby packages are built in Debian and Ubuntu
[19:59] <m_3> only problem is it bypasses the debian upstream versions
[20:00] <jcastro> some people consider that a feature!
[20:00] <m_3> I'd be a big fan of tools that'd let us have more choice of ruby/php versions
[20:01] <SpamapS> m_3: so ruby in 11.10 and later *does* let you choose which interpreter handles /usr/bin/ruby
[20:01] <m_3> right... alternatives
[20:02] <SpamapS> Its meant to work a lot more like java.. where you just pick your jvm
[20:02] <m_3> That's pretty foreign to osx peeps though?  do they have anything like /etc/alternatives?
[20:03] <m_3> don't know myself... still need to resurrect the tv for juju osx testing :)
[20:03] <jcastro> speaking of, mchenetz
[20:04] <jcastro> ready for wider testing? I want to tell the world!
[20:04] <m_3> whoohoo!
[20:04] <SpamapS> m_3: no, but I think at this point OSX people are used to things working vastly different on their real servers from their dev env. :)
[20:04] <m_3> yeah, good point
[20:04] <SpamapS> Hence vagrant and all the other ways to run VMs on OSX
[20:05] <m_3> just make it really easy to manage alternatives from capistrano, vlad, et al
[20:05] <m_3> good point... perhaps the charm should use version config settings and alternatives
[20:06] <m_3> talked to wayne (rvm guy) about packaging rvm... he wants to help
[20:06] <m_3> but that's a seeparate thing
[20:07] <mchenetz> jcastro: the easy_install version works pretty well… I am working on a slicker install though… I will probably have a new version over the weekend. I got a little tied up with work. Unfortunately, this isn't my full time job. :-(
[20:07] <jcastro> cooh cooh
[20:08] <jcastro> ok I'll just play it safe and not announce anything until the new year
[20:08] <jcastro> unless you tell me otherwise
[20:08] <mchenetz> jcastro: As soon as i have a great install for everyone, i will help you announce it. :-)
[20:08] <jcastro> \o/
[20:09] <m_3> SpamapS: love to get your input sometime on what we've learned about packaging packaging tools like pear,cpan,cran,ctan,gems,npm
[20:09] <m_3> seems like it's a tough line to maintain
[20:10] <SpamapS> m_3: its not really..
[20:11] <SpamapS> m_3: you package stuff when you want to stabilize it and support it
[20:11] <SpamapS> m_3: you let people use the tools when things are still in flux
[20:11] <marcoceppi> Can I trigger a state in a charm?
[20:11] <marcoceppi> Like an install error?
[20:11] <m_3> heck, it's the ruby community... constant flux
[20:11] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: exiting install with return code != 0 will trigger install_error
[20:12] <SpamapS> m_3: but there are tons of awesome ruby tools that use gems, like sup :)
[20:12] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: What about during a config change which is doing an install? Should I just exit > 0 and walk away as the explosion goes off in the background?
[20:12] <SpamapS> m_3: so there is a need to stabilize and support those tools while not hampering people using gems. Thats why gems puts stuff in /usr/local :)
[20:12] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: that will be config_error then
[20:12] <m_3> marcoceppi: that'd be a good feature in general... the ability to set status... far wishlist though
[20:13] <marcoceppi> Okay, I'll just exit 2 or something
[20:13]  * m_3 likes the visual of calmly walking away from the explosion
[20:15] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: can you explain further what you're trying to accomplish?
[20:16] <m_3> SpamapS: I see... so the process of taking a gem and stabilizing it into a package is the key
[20:16] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: During phpMyAdmin charm, if you switch to or from upstream it essentially reinstalls PMA and sets it up again. I want to capture an "Install Fail"
[20:16] <hazmat> we talked about manually poking transitions/states but backed off as it was very implementation oriented
[20:17] <m_3> hazmat: gotcha
[20:17] <marcoceppi> m_3: http://devastatingexplosions.com/
[20:17] <m_3> favorite
[20:17] <m_3> site
[20:17] <m_3> ever
[20:18] <m_3> blows away jono's sad trombone... literally
[20:19] <jcastro> how is this not hooked up to juju destroy-environment yet?
[20:19] <jcastro> just open the browser and do it
[20:19] <marcoceppi> +1
[20:19] <m_3> nice
[20:19]  * marcoceppi aliases command
[20:23] <jcastro> so hey guys I had a new thought as I read jelmer and poolie talking about a launchpad charm
[20:24] <jcastro> a use case I don't think we've put alot of concious effort into so I thought I'd just put it out there.
[20:24] <jcastro> Charming a complicated service -> lower entry for contribution
[20:24] <jcastro> so like if you ever remember LP hacking in the old days, vs. what a full charm would look like
[20:25] <m_3> yeah, they were talking about a pushbutton ec2 lp test env... perfect for a charm
[20:25] <jcastro> right, but usually with charms I am thinking "if you make a charm, users can use your service quickly."
[20:26] <m_3> jcastro: oh, saw you filed the bug
[20:26] <jcastro> and I rarely think about using it as a way to get a project's code in contributor hands
[21:09] <SpamapS> nijaba: so.. the tests are destructive to $HOME/.ssh (if they fail halfway through you get weird stuff in known_hosts and authorized_keys)
[21:09] <SpamapS> nijaba: ssh makes it near impossible to override ~/.ssh ... so I'm going to just skip all peer tests if ~/.ssh exists.
[21:11] <marcoceppi> Dash experts, for dash functions, if you call $1 and there is no param passed will it go nuts?
[21:12] <marcoceppi> Er, nvm
[21:12] <marcoceppi> I'm having a hard time figuring out what this error means: lib/common.sh: 1: 1: parameter not set
[21:12] <SpamapS> with -u, yes
[21:12] <marcoceppi> OH
[21:13] <SpamapS> ${1:-''}
[21:13] <marcoceppi> pft, -u
[21:13] <marcoceppi> Thank you!
[21:13] <SpamapS> Its silly, but it forces you to think about whether or not it is optional.
[21:14] <marcoceppi> in this case, it is
[21:14] <marcoceppi> but still, good to know
[21:15] <marcoceppi> I've been so honed in on this issue, I forgot what I was testing originally
[21:15] <SpamapS> -u forces shell to be at least a *little* more like a real language
[21:16] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: try and test that, you're bound to get served
[21:17] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: it works now :)
[21:17] <m_3> SpamapS: lovin... is what I got
[21:18] <m_3> totally stuck in my head now, thanks
[21:19]  * SpamapS can play the m_3-tar like a mutha-#$@!in riot!
[21:19] <m_3> unhuh
[21:23] <jrgifford> m_3: rvm or rbenv? I only use rvm, apparently rbenv is "nicer" though. . .
[21:26] <m_3> jrgifford: either... same here, I've heard good things about rbenv but haven't used it yet myself
[21:33] <SpamapS> man, I kind of want to write a charm in ruby now just because I'm tired of shell
[21:36] <m_3> yeah, it's nice to have hashes, scope, and real fn args
[21:37] <SpamapS> https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/charm-tools/buildd-fixes-part-deux/+merge/86753
[21:37] <SpamapS> Would appreciate a second pair of eyes on this
[21:37] <SpamapS> nijaba: ^^ changes ch_peer_scp's API
[21:38] <marcoceppi> m_3: Finally, phpmyadmin is done!
[21:38] <m_3> marcoceppi: rockin!
[21:38] <marcoceppi> I'd love a final look-over if you don't mind, before doing all that prog stuff
[21:40] <m_3> love those commit msgs that start with "Apparently I smoke crack now..."
[21:41] <SpamapS> :)
[21:41]  * SpamapS would like to remind everybody that bzr *does* have a rebase plugin if you accidentally "drunk commit"
[21:44] <jelmer> SpamapS: I thought drunk committing was the whole use case for DVCSes ?
[21:45] <SpamapS> jelmer: its a corner case I'd say.. though, quite a lively corner.
[21:46] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: It's too, non-intuitive. I like the way git handles it :)
[21:46] <marcoceppi> Furthermore, all of my commits are drunken.
[21:47]  * SpamapS has yet to find something he likes in git
[21:47] <SpamapS> :-/
[21:47] <SpamapS> I feel like I'm the only one.
[21:47] <marcoceppi> SpamapS, you're the only one :)
[21:48] <m_3> +1
[21:48] <m_3> git fanboy parade
[21:48] <SpamapS> some day you guys can show me why it doesn't suck :P
[21:49] <mchenetz> git tulez!
[21:49] <mchenetz> rulez!
[21:49] <m_3> marcoceppi: so, in meta/<ip-addr>, you use "server_name"
[21:50] <m_3> what you assign to it isn't a hostname though... it's the _service_ name
[21:51] <marcoceppi> Right, it still uses the IP
[21:51] <marcoceppi> I thought you could put a "nickname" for servers in PMA but you can't
[21:51] <marcoceppi> so it's moot to have it, for now
[21:51] <marcoceppi> but service name is better verbiage
[21:52] <m_3> but server_name=${JUJU_REMOTE_UNIT%%/*} isn't going to be any kind of address
[21:52] <marcoceppi> right, it's just the service name
[21:55] <marcoceppi> m_3: I've renamed it to service_name
[21:55] <marcoceppi> Though, it still not currently used. It's just there for future ideas
[21:55] <m_3> ah, ok I was digging around through phpmyadmin config to see where it was used
[21:57] <marcoceppi> m_3: I could have sworn you could set the "name" of a server in PMA config, but alas you can't
[21:58] <marcoceppi> When/if I figure out a way I'd like upgrading to be easy for people :)
[21:58] <marcoceppi> actually, maybe the file should be the name of the service.
[22:03] <negronjl> SpamapS: I approved https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/charm-tools/buildd-fixes-part-deux/+merge/86753
[22:13] <m_3> marcoceppi: cool... looks good
[22:13] <marcoceppi> Cool, I'm out for a drink, when I get home I'll prog it up, blog it up, and ping jcastro
[22:13] <jcastro> marcoceppi: I'll be in the usual places
[22:13] <jcastro> SpamapS: you still owe me a blog!
[22:17] <robbiew> jcastro crackin da whip!
[22:23] <SpamapS> jcastro: its in draft :)
[22:23] <m_3> marcoceppi: finished... go ahead and promulgate please
[22:23] <m_3> jcastro: phpmyadmin is out the gate
[22:25] <jcastro> \o/


[15:01] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. I am using ubuntu 12.04 and need to know when a given service started/finished. Something similar to "running Since:" of systemctl status


[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62687 in ubiquity (main) "Manual partitioner lies about not overwriting partitions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62687
[12:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62688 in sdcc (universe) "Out of sync with debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62688
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62689 in debian-installer (main) "Hangs at 2% of "Select and install software"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62689
[12:34] <towsonu2003> if there is a problem with booting, does that go to "debian-installer" package?
[12:35] <towsonu2003> here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/62670
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62670 in Ubuntu "Cannot boot Edgy on Acer Aspire 5003 WLMi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[12:36] <towsonu2003> uhm, never mind, was dist-upgrade
[12:36] <towsonu2003> not touching that ;)
[12:36] <ajmitch> no, debian-installer is only related to alternate cd installs
[12:37] <towsonu2003> ajmitch: thanks. than if this was a live cd (it's not), it would go to ubiquity right?
[12:38] <crimsun> I suspect neither of those are related, actually
[12:38] <crimsun> it's either kernel or usplash
[12:39] <towsonu2003> crimsun: oh yes, I was talking theoretically now :) I won't touch a dist-upgrade issue :) it's seriously over my head ;)
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62690 in ltsp (main) "mknbi dependency breaks powerpc and amd64 installs" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62690
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62691 in alsa-driver (main) "enable MPU on CMI cards (snd-cmipci)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62691
[12:47] <Ng> would it be bad form to tag a bug for a specific milestone?
[12:48] <Ng> I just booted today's .2 edgy live 386 CD and it fails to load the wireless module for my chipset, with missing symbol errors
[12:48] <Ng> there's a bug already, but it's Unconfirmed and of Undecided importance
[12:49] <Ng> but it seems like it ought to be confirmed (at least 3 other people than me see it), critical (since it will stop some/most/all atheros users using their wireless), d) tagged for fixing at least before 6.10 if not for the (I realise very imminent) beta
[12:50] <Ng> it's a regression from a fix for the same bug in 2.6.17-7
[12:50] <Ng> bug 60938 in lp
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60938 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "Atheros Chipset Not Detected; Unknown Symbol" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60938
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62692 in oem-config (main) "kubuntu oem-config doesn't start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62692
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62693 in casper (main) "kubuntu accessibility features don't run" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62693
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62697 in Ubuntu "Fn key for brightness and sound won't work." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62697
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62698 in firefox (main) "32bit firefox cannot find library in 64bit edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62698
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62699 in kdar (universe) "kdar fails to install on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62699
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62700 in resolvconf (universe) "No resolv.conf file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62700
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62701 in Ubuntu "lbxproxy is no longer in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62701
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62703 in Ubuntu "huge desktop memory leak" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62703
[02:25] <towsonu2003> need a little help with this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-clipman-plugin/+bug/58327 -I don't have privileges to set the importance (probably normal or medium)- I set up everything else :)
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58327 in xfce4-clipman-plugin "crashes unexpectedly" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62705 in Ubuntu "[edgy xubuntu uptodate]  "report crash" balloon should be clickable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62705
[02:32] <towsonu2003> I'm hungry, gotta go. I think I closed 10-15 bugs today ;) and confirmed 1-2. this is one of those days I want to be a programmer... this also happens when I get program crashes. see you :)
[02:37] <pollypocket> i need help to figure out what is going wrong with this dvd player
[02:37] <pollypocket> sometimes the dvd mounts and sometimes it doesnt
[02:38] <pollypocket> while in the shell , I type    eject     and nothing happens
[02:38] <pollypocket> if I type eject -t  then the tray opens and stays open
[02:39] <pollypocket> sometimes the disc mounts and then auto plays but will unmount after about 1minute
[02:40] <pollypocket> it doesnt matter what dvd it is
[02:40] <pollypocket> its driving me crazy
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62706 in Ubuntu "Administration tasks requiring password hangup without asking for password" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62706
[02:48] <pollypocket> ANY ONE HOME ???
[02:53] <pollypocket> oh
[02:53] <pollypocket> my
[02:55] <nixternal> heh
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62707 in vmware-player (multiverse) "[edgy]  vmware-player cannot see usb devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62707
[02:55] <nixternal> pollypocket: #ubuntu
[02:56] <nixternal> this channel is for bug logging, squashing, triaging, management, and all that...not a support chan
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62708 in bluefish (universe) "Please sync bluefish_1.0.6-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62708
[03:08] <jjesse> did i miss the bug day?
[03:08] <jjesse> hug day /)
[03:08] <JoseStefan> i did too :(
[03:08] <jjesse> oh well, still working on bugs :)
[03:09] <nixternal> hehe
[03:09] <JoseStefan> define:FSF ?
[03:09] <jjesse> hehe
[03:09] <jjesse> free software foundation
[03:10] <nixternal> yup
[03:10] <JoseStefan> i think ubuntu's best marketing technique is people-to-people
[03:10] <nixternal> she uses ubuntu as well
[03:10] <nixternal> says RMS despises us
[03:10] <nixternal> but who cares what that fool thinks
[03:11] <malakhi> RMS's loss
[03:12] <JoseStefan> word of mouth is usually the best type of advertising
[03:13] <nixternal> it seems it has been...because right now, the Linux community is getting a black eye in the US because of the wrong doing of Novell
[03:13] <zul> its always hug day
[03:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62709 in usplash-theme-ubuntu (main) "Edgy Usplash themes missing startup details." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62709
[03:42] <nixternal> that was a bug from earlier
[03:43] <JoseStefan> i just read that bug ^^^ and didnt understand much
[03:43] <nixternal> i got it
[03:43] <nixternal> it is a duplicate
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62710 in gtk+2.0 (main) "Numerous crashes related to gtk2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62710
[03:47] <nixternal> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4532652/Screenshot-1.png
[03:48] <nixternal> lol...that guy said that usplash needs to provide feedback, that was his illustration
[03:48] <nixternal> i love it
[03:48] <JoseStefan> is it even going to be possible?
[03:48] <crimsun> haha
[03:48] <crimsun> oh man, that's almost pony-worthy
[03:49] <JoseStefan> it's hard to put multi-tasking activities into human readable linear display (or log)
[03:49] <crimsun> the whole point of removing that output was because it was unnecessary by default
[03:50] <JoseStefan> i suppose we could use the "icons" approach
[03:50] <crimsun> I propose we don't actually do anything, just provide the illusion of startup.
[03:50] <crimsun> "Welcome to Edgy Eft, shutting down."
[03:51] <JoseStefan> 62676 was rejected, isn't "wishlist" prefered?
[03:51] <JoseStefan> brb, dinner
[03:52] <nixternal> haha crimsun, i thought so myself
[03:52] <nixternal> i like the "Welcome to Edgy Eft, shutting down"
[03:52] <nixternal> i say we do it
[03:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62711 in gnome-terminal (main) "Feature Request: Save Scrollback buffer to file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62711
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62712 in Ubuntu "Language support packages are marked as automatically installed" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62712
[04:10] <nixternal> we are in a hug day aren't we..im a little slow tonight
[04:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62714 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "while booting nothing appears on screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62714
[04:15] <JoseStefan> that's is a dup, but there are many different symptoms for that
[04:15] <JoseStefan> s/ is / /
[04:16] <nictuku> agree
[04:16] <JoseStefan> see bugs: 61711, 60135, 56587
[04:17] <JoseStefan> some of those are still open, because the users don't see segfault errors, just no splash
[04:19] <pollypocket> hey there
[04:19] <pollypocket> i need help to figure out what this problem is before I can report the right problem
[04:20] <nictuku> pollypocket, what's happening?
[04:20] <JoseStefan> should 62714 point to 61711, or set both as a dup of 56587? (the symptoms and errors being the difference)
[04:20] <pollypocket> sometimes I can play a dvd movie and sometimes I cant
[04:20] <pollypocket> same disc by the way
[04:21] <JoseStefan> pollypocket: does it happen with any other disc?
[04:21] <pollypocket> it doesnt seem to matter what disc I put in , the same symptoms happen
[04:21] <pollypocket> as an example;
[04:21] <pollypocket> i leave the dvd in the drive and shutdown the pc
[04:22] <nictuku> pollypocket, can you check dmesg when that happens?
[04:22] <pollypocket> i turn it back on and the system boots and I log in but the DVD is not mounted
[04:22] <pollypocket> [17188824.052000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[04:22] <pollypocket> [17188824.060000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[04:22] <pollypocket> [17188824.444000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[04:22] <pollypocket> [17188824.452000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[04:22] <JoseStefan> pastebin :S
[04:23] <pollypocket> so i open the shell and type   eject
[04:23] <pollypocket> nothing happens
[04:23] <JoseStefan> so it's more of a mounting issue, and less of a DVD playback issue ?
[04:23] <pollypocket> I wait a bit to give it a chance, then i type   eject -t and then moments later the tray opens and stays open
[04:24] <pollypocket> eject -t   is sitting there trying to mount the disc
[04:24] <pollypocket> when I push it closed it will mount and auto start playing the movie
[04:25] <pollypocket> then it chokes for some reason and is no longer mounted
[04:26] <pollypocket> if there is any kind of testing I can do to identify the source problem I would really be happy to
[04:27] <pollypocket> dmesg is filled entirely with lines like the following;
[04:27] <pollypocket> [17187904.628000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[04:28] <pollypocket> sometimes when I use the gui file browser, I select Computer which shows 3 drives (floppy/cd/hd)
[04:29] <pollypocket> I right click for the menu and select mount and it can say No Media found
[04:30] <pollypocket> JoseStefan: yes, when it is mounted it plays fine. there is a problem with mounting and unmounting
[04:31] <pollypocket> I should say though about playback. at seemingly random spots through the movie the disc will become unmounted and thus the movie stops or the program chokes
[04:33] <pollypocket> has this problem been reported before at all ?
[04:33] <JoseStefan> not that "I" recall
[04:34] <pollypocket> isnt there some human some where who can shed some light on what is happening and or how to put a stop to it
[04:35] <pollypocket> a sad work around which sometimes works is to copy the vob files to my hard drive
[04:35] <pollypocket> but today I can get the drive to stay mounted long enough to copy a file off it
[04:35] <JoseStefan> it might be a hardware issue
[04:36] <pollypocket> s/can/cant/
[04:36] <pollypocket> yes I thought maybe the drive itself has gone wonky or gotten dirty
[04:36] <pollypocket> how can I test that
[04:37] <pollypocket> it is the same drive I used to install 6.06 on this box
[04:37] <JoseStefan> if livecd environment has similar problems, it might be a hardware issue
[04:37] <JoseStefan> try using the dapper livecd, or even edgy
[04:38] <pollypocket> hmmm it seems I handed out all my copies
[04:38] <pollypocket> i was looking to go pick some up at the Linux Cafe here in toronto
[04:40] <pollypocket> ok so this busy inodes thing.   how can I tell the system to give up on those inodes so they are not busy any more
[04:40] <pollypocket> cause then i wont get the i/o error message
[04:40] <JoseStefan> dont know much about that
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62715 in gxine (universe) "hangs trying to play a certain dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62715
[04:41] <pollypocket> as you can imagine, this is a very frustrating problem
[04:42] <pollypocket> hhmmm is that #62715 in reference to the problem i just mentioned ?
[04:44] <pollypocket> i just read it and it seems wuite unrelated
[04:46] <JoseStefan> it's a bot, it tracks for new bugs on launchpad and pastes them here. any connection would be a coincidence.
[04:46] <pollypocket> dman why doesnt "eject" work
[04:49] <pollypocket> ok there eject -t didnt eject but automounted and then the video started playing
[04:50] <pollypocket> can i set the system to not auto play once a disc becomes mounted
[04:51] <tarheelcoxn> crimsun: I submitted bug #62715
[04:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62715 in gxine "hangs trying to play a certain dvd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62715
[04:54] <pollypocket> great now that the wrong dvd is in the drive it stays mounted
[04:54] <pollypocket> at least for now
[04:54] <pollypocket> but i have had the same problem with this disc before aswell
[04:56] <pollypocket> ok so actually the audio seems to be smooth but the video is somewhat jumpy or start and stop like
[04:56] <pollypocket> ah
[04:56] <pollypocket> an error occured could not read from resource
[04:57] <pollypocket> now it is no longer mounted
[04:58] <JoseStefan> i would check if that hardware is good
[04:58] <pollypocket> [17190860.184000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 174897
[05:00] <pollypocket> this message continues to be listed over and over (even now) in dmesg;
[05:00] <pollypocket> [17191030.588000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[05:00] <pollypocket> is there some way i can tell nautilus or what ever process to give up
[05:00] <pollypocket> or even kill it
[05:01] <pollypocket> if i only knew the name of the process that was doing it
[05:01] <pollypocket> i would kill it
[05:01] <JoseStefan> pollypocket: man ps, man kill
[05:01] <pollypocket> i know    ps    and   kill
[05:02] <pollypocket> but what process is spitting out vfs  busy inodes error messages
[05:02] <pollypocket> that I dont know
[05:07] <pollypocket> im gonna try rebooting again
[05:34] <crimsun> tarheelcoxn: libxine issue, not gxine
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62716 in Ubuntu "USB MIDI Keyboard mistaken for a sound output" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62716
[05:44] <crimsun> well that was simple.
[05:44] <crimsun> bug 62716
[05:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62716 in alsa-driver "USB MIDI Keyboard mistaken for a sound output" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62716
[06:02] <konfuzed> hm
[06:04] <pollypocket> so when i rebooted there was no dvd mounted
[06:05] <pollypocket> i went to removable drives and media and
[06:05] <pollypocket> turned off all of the options on each tab except for
[06:05] <pollypocket> mount removable media when inserted
[06:07] <pollypocket> then i did    eject -t   7 times before the drive actually mounted
[06:08] <pollypocket> not once did i do eject or did the drive open
[06:10] <pollypocket> so then i did a cp   cdrom/*.vob  ~/fromdisc/.
[06:12] <pollypocket> and it copied 3 gig before running out of drive space and exiting
[06:13] <pollypocket> and it is still mounted and browsable from the command line
[06:15] <pollypocket> after this finishes scp-ing 12gig to my other ubuntu box (with 50GB free) i should be able to copy the rest of the dvd to this hd
[06:19] <pollypocket> only 10.3 gb left to go ;^)
[06:27] <towsonu2003> hi
[06:27] <towsonu2003> need help
[06:27] <towsonu2003> again...
[06:27] <towsonu2003> but very simple: involves bumping up the importance of this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43961 [don't have privilege]
[06:27] <towsonu2003> :)
[06:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43961 in linux "Power down after shutdown does not work..." [Unknown,Needs info]
[06:28] <towsonu2003> for the "linux-source-2.6.17" package
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62718 in hplip (main) "[Edgy]  Current Updates (2006-09-27) Break HPLIP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62718
[06:36] <nixternal> anyone have that ^^ issue as well?  that is my bug
[06:36] <towsonu2003> :)
[06:37] <nixternal> i have a lot of broken stuff that needs some fixin' ;)
[06:37] <nixternal> and i need to print!
[06:37] <towsonu2003> I think it's intelligent to promote own bug here hahaha
[06:37] <towsonu2003> let me check in vmware
[06:38] <towsonu2003> did you try to restart it?
[06:39] <nixternal> yup
[06:39] <nixternal> it still fails
[06:40] <nixternal> can't force reload either
[06:43] <towsonu2003> ps. most I can do is confirm though (if it happens to me too)
[06:43] <nixternal> tis ok
[06:46] <towsonu2003> sorry, it didn't do that in my install.
[06:47] <towsonu2003> it didn't want me to upgrade hplip though. manually restarting hplip worked
[06:47] <towsonu2003> try stopping cupsys, starting hplip then starting cupsys? or maybe a windows-style reboot?
[06:52] <towsonu2003> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/61140 -> which package is this??
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61140 in Ubuntu "edgy knot-3 ignores keymap setting from boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[06:52] <nixternal> i have done all of those
[06:53] <towsonu2003> nixternal: that's all I got, sorry :(  -reinstall might work??-
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62719 in gst-plugins-base0.10 (main) "playbin can't create pipelines for flash videos" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62719
[07:57] <towsonu2003> I know everyone is sleepign but
[07:57] <towsonu2003> need help
[07:58] <towsonu2003> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/61140 - > is this xkeyboard-config package?
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61140 in xkeyboard-config "edgy knot-3 ignores keymap setting from boot" [Undecided,Rejected]
[07:58] <towsonu2003> anyone?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> i'd guess so
[07:58] <towsonu2003> that's good enough for me :) thanks
[08:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62721 in uqm-content (multiverse) "Sync uqm-content from Debian unstable (non-free)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62721
[08:19] <towsonu2003> another question: we confirm bugs only if a second person says "happens to me too", right?
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62722 in firefox (main) "When surfing to a webpages - redirecting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62722
[08:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62723 in totem (main) "Totem doesn't auto-resize" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62723
[08:50] <Kagou> morning
[08:50] <towsonu2003> morning to u
[08:50] <pollypocket> well i lost the dvd player again
[08:51] <towsonu2003> hehehe lol
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62724 in gtkpod (universe) "gtkpod segfault at every start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62724
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62725 in vlc (universe) "Closing VLC, the sound keeps playing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62725
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62726 in apt (main) "No information about autoremove in man page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62726
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62729 in ubiquity (main) "Installation Ver 6.06 LTS for PC crashed during assignment of partitions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62729
[08:59] <Kagou> from wich package time applet come from ?
[09:02] <towsonu2003> gnome-applets?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> towsonu2003, please don't assign ubuntu-archive to bugs. They're meant to be subscribed, not assigned.
[09:04] <towsonu2003> ubuntu-archives?
[09:04] <towsonu2003> which bug is this? I don't remember assigning a bug to that
[09:05] <towsonu2003> Fujitsu: which bug is this? I don't remember assigning a bug to that
[09:05] <Fujitsu> Bug #60506
[09:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60506 in Ubuntu "[debian-multimedia]  sync myththemes 0.20-0.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60506
[09:06] <towsonu2003> Fujitsu: oh I see. the name Package Administrators threw me off. sorry. also, I saw a couple of bugs assigned to you. again, sorry.
[09:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62730 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox needs to be opened twice to start up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62730
[09:09] <towsonu2003> which package is it when X isn't configured right on LiveCD? xorg or casper?
[09:10] <Fujitsu> xorg.
[09:10] <towsonu2003> thanks :)
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62731 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "kernel BUG at arch/i386/lib/usercopy.c:608!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62731
[09:19] <Kagou> Fujitsu: can i put "critical" to Bug #62733
[09:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62733 in rawstudio "Can't open a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62733
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Not critical, no.
[09:20] <Fujitsu> Have you confirmed that this issue occurs?
[09:21] <Kagou> not yet Fujitsu
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62732 in tinyproxy (universe) "tinyproxy error connecting to plone.org website" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62732
[09:21] <towsonu2003> I can confirm that
[09:21] <Kagou> Fujitsu: but in the affirmative case what kind of importance can i put ?
[09:21] <Kagou> it's a major problem
[09:21] <Fujitsu> Do you have privileges to put one at all, Kagou?
[09:22] <Kagou> Fujitsu: yes
[09:22] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK...
[09:22] <towsonu2003> Kagou: confirmed now
[09:22] <Fujitsu> I'd say High, probably.
[09:22] <Kagou> but i never had to use high/critical ;)
[09:22] <Kagou> towsonu2003: thanks
[09:22] <towsonu2003> Kagou: you're most welcome
[09:23] <towsonu2003> ps. lol
[09:23] <Fujitsu> It makes it completely unusable, but doesn't cause data loss etc., so probably high.
[09:24] <Kagou> towsonu2003: can you confirm Bug #62734 too ?
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62734 in rawstudio "Close Button don't work in About dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62734
[09:26] <towsonu2003> Kagou: yes, done
[09:26] <Kagou> thnx towsonu2003
[09:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62733 in rawstudio (universe) "Can't open a file" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62733
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62734 in rawstudio (universe) "Close Button don't work in About dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62734
[09:31] <towsonu2003> Ubugtu: :p
[09:32] <towsonu2003> good night everyone.
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62735 in base-installer (main) "installer crashes if partition is not formatted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62735
[09:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62736 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Volume Manager unresponsive in Gnome and command line" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62736
[10:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62737 in amarok (main) "cant  add new sources to play list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62737
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62738 in Ubuntu "amd64 desktop does not start" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62738
[10:41] <Kagou> hey dholbach
[10:42] <Kagou> lu seb128
[10:42] <seb128> 'lut Kagou
[10:42] <dholbach> hey Kagou
[10:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62739 in Ubuntu "nautilus crashed when i logon gnome in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62739
[10:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62740 in Ubuntu "Can't safely remove USB data stick" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62740
[11:05] <Kagou> can anybody confirm that Bug #62745 ?
[11:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62745 in gnome-system-tools "[time-admin]  "Synchronize Now" don't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62745
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62741 in mono (main) "Mono crashes while beagle indexes files in the background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62741
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62743 in Ubuntu "US keyboard on the livecd when selecting german in the boot-menu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62743
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62744 in usplash (main) "Colours corrupted on usplash in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62744
[11:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62745 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[time-admin]  "Synchronize Now" don't work" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62745
[11:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62746 in linux-meta (main) "Raid 5 problem with 2.6.15-27" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62746
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62747 in xorg (main) "Random system freeze at window operations" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62747
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62748 in apache2 (main) "2.0.55-4ubuntu4 update causes svn failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62748
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62749 in firefox (main) "Firefox tabs are illegible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62749
[11:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62750 in ltsp (main) "merge oversight, not possible to build amd64 chroots anymore" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62750
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62753 in debian-installer (main) "Kubuntu Edgy Netboot Installs Dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62753
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62754 in gnome-app-install (main) "No "apply" or "ok" finish the work" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62754
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62752 in ubiquity (main) "timezone selection in ubiquity hangs, when just proceeding and clicking next" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62752
[12:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62756 in squashfs (universe) "mono confused by the desktopCD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62756
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62757 in ubiquity (main) "displays wrong file system in partitioning confirmation dialog" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62757
[12:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62758 in greasemonkey (universe) "Package firefox-greasemonkey is incompatible with Firefox." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62758
[12:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62759 in bookmarksftp (universe) "This extension is incompatible with Firefox 2.0b2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62759
[12:49] <Bazzi> oh no
[12:49] <Bazzi> please not for all extensions a bug each
[12:50] <Ng> nice
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62761 in bookmarksftp (universe) "This package is incompatible with Firefox 2.0b2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62761
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62762 in bookmarksftp (universe) "This package is incompatible with Firefox 2.0b2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62762
[12:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62763 in dbus (main) "dbus activation timeout too short" [Low,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62763
[12:59] <pepsiman> Bazzi: no, 3 per extension ;)
[01:00] <Bazzi> heh
[01:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62764 in gcompris (main) "[gcompris]  English-GB is English-US and uses the US flag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62764
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62765 in ubiquity (main) "KDE frontend does not reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62765
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62766 in libloki (universe) "Please sync libloki (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62766
[01:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62767 in python-libgmail (universe) "please sync python-libgmail from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62767
[01:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62768 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "Very bad performance with X600 in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62768
[01:48] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62770 in debian-installer (main) "debootstrap: cannot execute mount (Xubuntu daily 20060928)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62770
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62772 in gparted (main) "gparted shows no partitions, but a next button (which brings you to the partition-mountpoint screen)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62772
[02:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62775 in casper (main) "Incorrect keyboard in live session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62775
[02:24] <bddebian> Boo
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62776 in totem (main) "Video stretched when running ATI dual desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62776
[02:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62777 in oem-config (main) "kubuntu installs oem-config-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62777
[02:36] <saracen> anyone around?
[02:39] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62774 in knetworkmanager (main) "0.1~svn-r575138 -> 0.1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62774
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62779 in sensors-applet (universe) "Please sync sensors-applet (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62779
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62780 in gnucash-docs (universe) "Please sync gnucash-docs (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62780
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62781 in ion3 (universe) "Please sync ion3 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62781
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62782 in rosegarden (universe) "Please sync rosegarden (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62782
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62783 in koules (universe) "Please sync koules (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62783
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62784 in stellarium (universe) "Please sync stellarium (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62784
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62785 in piuparts (universe) "Please sync piuparts (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62785
[02:59] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62787 in phpbb2 (universe) "Please sync phpbb2 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62787
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62786 in lincity-ng (universe) "Please sync lincity-ng (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62786
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62788 in cherokee (universe) "Please sync cherokee (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62788
[03:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62789 in log4cxx (universe) "Please sync log4cxx (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62789
[03:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62790 in kvpnc (universe) "Please sync kvpnc (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62790
[03:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62791 in openalpp-cvs (universe) "Please sync openalpp-cvs (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62791
[03:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62792 in openscenegraph (universe) "Please sync openscenegraph (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62792
[03:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62793 in gaim (main) "Crash: I open many program and crash gaim" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62793
[03:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62794 in Ubuntu "kernel updated but no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-27" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62794
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62795 in amule (universe) "[aMule 2.1.3 ]  search tab closed (or clicked) and amule crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62795
[03:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62796 in amule (universe) "[aMule 2.1.3 ]  Kadmelia troubles, crash amule" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62796
[03:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62751 in cryptsetup (universe) "Upstart doesn't activate luks volumes in cryptsetup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62751
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62799 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "using a Nokia N80 in mass-storage mode fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62799
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62800 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62800
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62801 in kdepim (main) "Kontact truncates adressbook on webdav server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62801
[04:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62802 in firefox (main) "missing static libraries" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62802
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62803 in syslog-ng (universe) "syslog-ng causes ubuntu-minimal to be removed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62803
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62804 in mutt (main) "MIME Digest Sub-Message Subjects Chopped On Wide Displays" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62804
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62805 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "[edgy regression]  bcm43xx driver locks up my powerpc system after 1 hour" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62805
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62806 in ubiquity (main) "kernel freezes on boot when USB-legacy is turned on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62806
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62807 in sendpage (universe) "/etc/init.d/sendpage-server fails to start as part of install config process" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62807
[04:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62808 in update-manager (main) "Unable to upgrade to edgy behind transparent squid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62808
[04:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40124 in nautilus "Nautilus crashes on first access to vfat drive" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40124
[04:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62809 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "Package uninstallable, unknown error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62809
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62810 in libcairo (main) "[edgy]  GTK-based apps crash when run through ssh tunnel between powerpc and i386 machines" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62810
[05:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62811 in Ubuntu "Services-admin (Systems -> Administration -> Services) Help documentation screenshots different than actual application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62811
[05:07] <Nafallo> lol
[05:08] <seb128> Nafallo?
[05:08] <Nafallo> seems the help is outdated or something :-P
[05:08] <seb128> and that's funny because...?
[05:09] <seb128> that's a dup and fixed to edgy afaik
[05:10] <Nafallo> oh, it was dapper. that's not as funny then :-/.
[05:10] <seb128> dup of bug #21027
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 21027 in gst "Wrong service-admin help file" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/21027
[05:10] <seb128> Nafallo: because edgy bugs are fun? :p
[05:11] <dholbach> he smoked some hash ;-)
[05:11] <Nafallo> something like that. rather that edgy isn't released ;-)
[05:12] <Nafallo> looked the same to me, except the theme anyway.
[05:13] <seb128> try on dapper then :p
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62812 in pgadmin3 (universe) "Please sync pgadmin3 (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62812
[05:15] <Nafallo> I don
[05:15] <Nafallo> I don't have dapper
[05:15] <Nafallo> ;-)
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62813 in compiz (universe) "compiz is not installable currently in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62813
[05:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62814 in Ubuntu "No OEM prompts appear after rebooting from an installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62814
[06:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62815 in firefox (main) "Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> introduces a crash bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62815
[06:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62816 in kdegraphics (main) "Print broken in kpdf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62816
[06:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62817 in linux-meta (main) "linux-image-amd64-generic transitional package not on the CDs" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62817
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62818 in libmtp (universe) "documentation directory in wrong place" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62818
[07:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62819 in Ubuntu "make-kpkg package changes SATA partitions in menu.lst" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62819
[07:18] <tarheelcoxn> this is totally weird. I haven't changed anything, but the DVD plays fine now
[07:18] <crimsun> excellent, REJECTed.
[07:18] <tarheelcoxn> yeah. still weird
[07:18] <crimsun> that'll learn you to file bugs
[07:19] <crimsun> ;)
[07:19] <tarheelcoxn> lol
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62820 in apache2 (main) "RPC over HTTP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62820
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62821 in cupsys (main) "USB Keyboard is not detecting." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62821
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62822 in jabberd2 (universe) "Jabberd2 cannot handle certain Jabber clients" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62822
[07:32] <gnomefreak> dholbach: are you busy?
[07:34] <dholbach> gnomefreak: i was about to do some more of a break - how can i help you?
[07:34] <gnomefreak> dholbach: i was wonder does bugbuddy/apport get backtraces or straces off of OO.o?
[07:35] <dholbach> apport should afaik get a backtrace
[07:35] <gnomefreak> you cant run backtraces for it
[07:35] <gnomefreak> thats why im asking ;)
[07:35] <dholbach> bug-buddy doesn't do ooo and none of the tools do straces
[07:35] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:35] <gnomefreak> ok ty ;)
[07:35] <dholbach> de rien
[07:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62823 in kdesvn (universe) "crashes konqueror seriously" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62823
[07:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62824 in mayavi (universe) "[Sync Request]  mayavi 1.5-4 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62824
[08:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62825 in kde-hal-device-manager (universe) "[Edgy]  Change depends from python2.4-dbus to python-dbus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62825
[08:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62826 in Ubuntu "Booting is very slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62826
[08:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62827 in preload (universe) "parses /proc/N/maps incorrectly, renders whole program nonfunctional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62827
[08:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62828 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62828
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62829 in gnome-osd (universe) "Please sync gnome-osd 0.11.3-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62829
[08:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62830 in hp-ppd (universe) "Merge from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62830
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62831 in dosfstools (main) "fsck.vfat truncates files of<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes length to 0 bytes at boot-time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62831
[08:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62832 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "Difference between "show all" and "show untranslated"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62832
[09:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62833 in mysql-admin (universe) "Mysql-admin crash after cancelling some dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62833
[09:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62834 in gcc-4.1 (main) "ssp logic broken in debian/rules2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62834
[09:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62835 in amule (universe) "GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62835
[09:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62836 in gcc-4.1 (main) "Disable ssp on hppa" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62836
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62837 in gnome-media (main) "After upgrade to edgy I have no sound profiles" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62837
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62838 in Ubuntu "All programs that I run I have a segfault (core dump)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62838
[09:24] <pepsiman> 62838 - apport crash!  Is that ironic?
[09:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62755 in tilda (universe) "Tilda crash after launching it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62755
[09:47] <blue-frog> do I have a way to keep on booting live cd from (initramfs) prompt?
[09:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62840 in kerry (universe) "can't access kerry's search results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62840
[09:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62841 in gnome-vfs2 (main) "Broken /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62841
[09:54] <Adri2000> hi
[09:55] <Adri2000> I've just been approved in the bugsquad team but I still can't the importance of a bug
[09:56] <crimsun> you have to be in QA to do that iirc
[09:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62842 in avahi (main) "avahi isn't working correctly with Rhythmbox and Banshee (Itunes sharing)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62842
[09:58] <Adri2000> +change
[09:58] <Adri2000> there is [Lock]  Undecided
[10:00] <matid> crimsun: By the way, sfllaw accepts new ubuntu-qa candidates?
[10:03] <sfllaw> matid: I do.
[10:04] <Adri2000> ahh
[10:05] <matid> sfllaw: Ok, I just wanted to make sure :) I applied few days ago and I just wanted to know who'll judge if I'm good enough ;)
[10:05] <matid> sfllaw: Or rather if I'm experienced enough
[10:05] <sfllaw> Hmm.
[10:05] <sfllaw> The process inolves me finding you or your finding me.
[10:05] <sfllaw> So we've got that part done.
[10:06] <sfllaw> I have some questions to ask you:
[10:06] <sfllaw> 1) Have you been triaging some bugs?  If so, could you provide a list that you're particularly proud of?
[10:06] <sfllaw> 2) Have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks and do you understand Importance?
[10:06] <sfllaw> 3) Do you promise to be unfailingly polite to users, no matter what?
[10:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62845 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "Error in /etc/cron.daily/mysql-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62845
[10:07] <matid> 1. Obviously yes, though I don't have any list prepared. I'll try to look for some I could proudly show you, so please wait a minute.
[10:08] <sfllaw> matid: It's cool, I have to order a replacement laptop.
[10:08] <sfllaw> matid: Just paste bug links here.
[10:08] <sfllaw> I will look at them.
[10:09] <matid> 2. Yes, I've read it and I understand it quite well.
[10:10] <matid> 3. Of course I do. By the way, speaking polite is also a good training before my CPE examination, where I basically HAVE TO speak politely ;)
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62846 in nautilus (main) "Edgy: CD writing tool + nautilus crash on copying to webdav " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62846
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62847 in grub (main) "Grub refuses to boot after fresh installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62847
[10:13] <matid> sfllaw: bug 60950
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60950 in firefox "enter won't open the link - beta2 edgy" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60950
[10:13] <Nafallo> beta2? wtf? :-P
[10:14] <Nafallo> ah, firefox...
[10:14] <matid> sfllaw: bug 56793 (the user didn't reply again though)
[10:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56793 in Ubuntu "[EDGY]  Composed keys not working" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56793
[10:15] <matid> sfllaw: Bug 55534
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55534 in language-pack-gnome-en ""Select Folders" in en_GB translation should read "Search Folders"" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55534
[10:16] <matid> sfllaw: Bug 55373
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55373 in otags "edgy otags needs to be rebuilt against ocaml 3.09.2" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55373
[10:16] <matid> sfllaw: Bug 55340
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55340 in apt "Typo in brazilian portugues translation" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55340
[10:17] <matid> sfllaw: Bug 55321
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55321 in localepurge "localepurge 0.5.5 fails to install " [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55321
[10:17] <matid> sfllaw: Bug 55293
[10:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55293 in firefox "No units for margin settings in printing properties" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55293
[10:18] <matid> sfllaw: I don't want to flood you with these bugs. Is it enough or should I list more? I also have many Ubiquity bugs that I triaged, though most of them are still 'needs info'
[10:21] <matid> sfllaw: bug 62711 (I wasn't able to change the importance to wishlist though ;))
[10:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62711 in gnome-terminal "Feature Request: Save Scrollback buffer to file" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62711
[10:21] <sfllaw> 55293 is good.
[10:21] <sfllaw> Thanks for forwarding upstream.
[10:21] <sfllaw> Cool.
[10:24] <matid> sfllaw: There's also 55327
[10:25] <matid> sfllaw: I was actually quite an active bug
[10:25] <matid> s/I was/It was/
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62848 in amarok (main) "Mistakes in amarok strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62848
[10:26] <sfllaw> matid: Good good.
[10:26] <sfllaw> matid: I'll approve you after I get off the phone.
[10:26] <matid> sfllaw: Thank you very much.
[10:26] <matid> sfllaw: By the way, will you be present on next week's CC meeting?
[10:27] <matid> sfllaw: I'm applying for membership and I was wondering if you could come.
[10:28] <matid> sfllaw: I already talked with Daniel Holbach, he said he'd be happy to see me amongst Ubuntu Members and that he'd come if possible, but he might not make it, so I'm asking just in case.
[10:30] <Adri2000> can someone set bug 51603 to low, and bug 51604 to wishlist please
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51603 in liferea "Dormant feed in example feeds" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51603
[10:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51604 in liferea "Example feeds need Ubuntu-izing" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51604
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62849 in unifont (main) "Georgian (ka) letters are very crappy!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62849
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62850 in backuppc (main) "backuppc: Should not depdend on smbclient, samba-common | samba-tng-common (Debian bug#389793) " [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62850
[10:46] <sfllaw> matid: I should be there on Tuesday.
[10:47] <sfllaw> matid: Welcome to Ubuntu QA.
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62851 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62851
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62852 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62852
[10:48] <matid> sfllaw: Thanks again! I hope you'll be able to be there and that you'll plead for me, somehow ;)
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62854 in pbbuttonsd (main) "Mistakes in pbbuttonsd strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62854
[10:56] <blue-frog> if the live cd stops booting at (initramfs) have a way to keep moving from there or am I dead in the water?
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62856 in vlc (universe) "segfault while reading rtsp stream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62856
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62855 in alsa-lib (main) "Stereo line-in capture broken in alsa-lib 1.0.10 for "simple mixer" cards." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62855
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62858 in Ubuntu "shmctl man differs from kernel operation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62858
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62857 in openoffice.org (main) "Version 2.0.4 beta 3 is crashing when trying to open about window." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62857
[11:10] <matid> Good night, everyone.
[11:13] <sfllaw> matid: Bon nuit.
[11:13] <sfllaw> Bonne?
[11:13] <sfllaw> Yes.
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62859 in update-manager (main) "Can not update to edgy eft from dapper drake" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62859
[11:17] <ajmitch> sfllaw!
[11:17] <sfllaw> ajmitch!
[11:17] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[11:17] <sfllaw> Busy.
[11:18] <ajmitch> :)
[11:18] <ajmitch> that's expected
[11:18] <sfllaw> ajmitch: You?
[11:18] <ajmitch> we'll have a flood of new users with the beta release
[11:18] <ajmitch> busy also
[11:18] <ajmitch> been trying to keep on top of universe stuff, and also some stuff in main & edgy+1 :)
[11:20] <sfllaw> ajmitch: Yeah.
[11:20] <sfllaw> Installer stuff is interesting right now.
[11:20] <sfllaw> Spent the morning tracking down a bug.
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62860 in gparted (main) "gparted only find 2 hdds but 3 in my machine!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62860
[11:21] <ajmitch> I wonder if we'll hit 18K open bugs by release
[11:23] <ajmitch> hm, maybe 16K open at release
[11:25] <sfllaw> :(
[11:29] <ajmitch> for example, we have 2473 bugs that are in need info state
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62862 in upstart (main) "Atheros w-lan card doesn`t work on edgy live!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62862
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62863 in liferea (universe) "[Edgy]  Segfault when add new feed with false url" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62863
[11:31] <ajmitch> interesting what packages people choose to file stuff against
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62864 in gnupg (main) "[Edgy]  Refreshing my keyring stops after some keys (keyserver time out)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62864
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62865 in usplash (main) "1024x768 with nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE: "screen init failed"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62865
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62866 in hwdb-client (main) "Translation broken in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62866
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62867 in ubuntu-meta (main) "install failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62867
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #62868 in casper (main) "swap partitions not automounted by the LiveCD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62868


[08:54] <jserver> hi
[08:55] <jserver> exit
[12:52] <shangul> wow
[12:52] <shangul> daniel is here
[12:52] <shangul> the boss!
[13:09] <moha> Why not
[13:14] <shangul> well when there is telegram, no one comes here!
[13:17] <shangul> anyway it's fine that they sometimes come here!
[14:08] <moha> According to my personal experience, Telegram does not substitute IRC channels. Serious Ubuntu users tend to hang out on IRC channels rather that using a closed and proprietary system.
[14:10] <shangul> moha, all right(but client of telegram is open source, isn't it?)
[14:12] <moha> shangul: You're absolutely right.
[14:14] <moha> Also, Telegram is insecure by default. It lacks End-to-End encryption that major players like WhatsApp are providing.
[14:21] <shangul> moha, no idea because i never used telegram, but connection of IRC is not encrypted by default too!


[16:19] <philsf> hi, I have a local bzr branch I created in 2008, and I pushed to launchpad before I found out the format had changed. I bzr upgrad'ed the local branch, but pushing does not upgrade the remote branch, and now I can't build using LP recipes because of format mismatch. How can I upgrade the LP branch?
[17:30] <Peng> "bzr upgrade" can operate on a remote URL. I'm not sure that's still the best way to handle it, though.
[18:31] <philsf> Peng, I removed the remote bazaar branch and pushed again. thanks
[18:37] <Peng> That too...