[01:24] <Artemis3> sathed, seen x2go? its nice
[08:11] <xubuntu07w> How do I use this system. I was given a lap top with this on it and I'm lost
[08:11] <cfhowlett> !manual | xubuntu07w
[08:12] <xubuntu07w> It's connected to internet but no place to put link
[08:18] <dkessel> xubuntu07w: can you click on this?: http://docs.xubuntu.org
[08:19] <dkessel> this should open a web browser with information
[10:17] <xubuntu07w> hi any one here?
[10:18] <xubuntu07w> I have installed Xubuntu on my dell laptop
[10:18] <xubuntu07w> I have installed DOTA2 Reborn with it
[10:18] <xubuntu07w> but it has low fps
[10:19] <xubuntu07w> when I install it on windows in the same laptop
[10:19] <xubuntu07w> it has no problem
[10:19] <xubuntu07w> what should I do
[10:20] <xubuntu07w> Laptop configuration is core i5 2nd gen, 4gbram 1gb nvidia 525m graphics card
[10:20] <flux242> play games on windows
[10:20] <xubuntu07w> so there is no solution is it?
[10:20] <Unit193> Did you try and get the nvidia driver?
[10:21] <xubuntu07w> when I install the nvidia driver, while booting laptop goes to blank screen
[10:21] <xubuntu07w> and stops booting
[10:22] <xubuntu07w> I disbaled the driver(in recovery mode) and using a open source
[10:22] <xubuntu07w> *driver
[10:23] <Unit193> Ouch, that's fun.
[10:23] <xubuntu07w> but reddit post says that the game has better performance on linux
[10:24] <xubuntu07w> early I had a installayion of kali linux it was running smooth on that laptop
[10:24] <xubuntu07w> now I installed xubuntu to try it out but it is not that smooth
[10:25] <xubuntu07w> might be some driver issue?
[10:29] <Unit193> Though kali wouldn't be shipping with the nvidia driver either.
[14:30] <sathed> Artemis3, I actually got xrdp working. It was easier than I expected.
[19:52] <dixie7z> hello guys. after day of torture I decided to wipe debian stretch but now.... i want to go back again :(  im not sure what's the problem... I was unable to boot into debian or ever recovery mode. black screen... with monodeset option set in grub it boots.... so it should be graphic problem... i tried Xubuntu 16.04 new release to reinstall... again, same problem on booting the installation media... black screen... i  have amd xfx
[19:52] <dixie7z> hd6870.... something is messed up in newest release... i changed kernel during troubleshooting, it didn't help... now i'm unable to start installation media for xubuntu... black screen... maybe debian stable will work but for how long?
[19:53] <dixie7z> how to diagnose the problem?
[22:16] <xubuntu79d> hi, i ve gotproblem with unbuntu 16.04. after log in, from 2/3green screeen, and 1/3 black screen. guest works ok.how shoul i solve my problem, and dont loose my data on my account? thanks
[22:28] <xubuntu79d> is here anybody, who can help?


[21:21] <wayne_> I'm talking like a program that downloads youtube video and any other streaming videos
[21:21] <MonkeyDust> wayne_: youtube-dl
[21:22] <jwrigley> wayne_: yup, that's it "video downloader" will do the trick beautifully
[21:22] <dj_beirut> xangua i need 3D GPU (Graphics Processing Unit)
[21:22] <nightwatch> hi there I'm trying to access a remote pulse audio server but padevchooser is not working in ubuntu natty... any hints?
[21:22] <jwrigley> wayne_: also you might like jdownloader from jdownloader.org
[21:22] <dj_beirut> i get the following error when i run your command
[21:22] <dj_beirut> E: Unable to locate package lxserver-xorg-video-intel
[21:23] <wayne_> thanks again
[21:23] <RedViper> When I try and download packages through Ubuntu Software Center it comes up with his error: There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[21:24] <Peace_Maker> Hi guys
[21:24] <xangua> RedViper: try to install via terminal and tell us the output ;)
[21:24] <xangua> dj_beirut: xserver :P
[21:25] <RedViper> xangua: Ok but what does the error mean?
[21:25] <dj_beirut> xangua yeah but what do i need to install+
[21:25] <GapSpark> hola
[21:25] <GapSpark> my linux has major problem
[21:25] <Jimbo99> hola
[21:26] <GapSpark> it says login:
[21:26] <Peace_Maker> guys how i can set proxy through terminal ?
[21:26] <wayne_> I can't find a download link for jdownloader
[21:26] <GapSpark> before it useto give me screen
[21:26] <GapSpark> now its gone into dos mode or something
[21:26] <GapSpark> not dos terminal
[21:26] <GapSpark> DOS mode
[21:26] <GapSpark> with login
[21:26] <RedViper> xangua: sudo apt-get ubuntu restricted extras?   Like this? Why won't it work, what have I done wrong?
[21:26] <GapSpark> how can i resolve this issue?
[21:26] <jwrigley> wayne_: jdownloader.org/download
[21:27] <tbearden> i have an apache question
[21:27] <nitstorm> @GapSpark: Try hitting Ctrl+Alt+7
[21:27] <GapSpark> nitstorm okay
[21:27] <xangua> RedViper: because is ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:27] <Peace_Maker> hello anyone can help me?
[21:27] <IdleOne> RedViper: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:27] <jwrigley> wayne_: you click the penguin, download the script and run from terminal...
[21:27] <GapSpark> nitstorm no good it just makes a beep
[21:27] <tbearden> need help w/ user www-data, in regard to apache
[21:27] <xangua> wayne_: tried the jdownloader web¿ ...
[21:28] <dj_beirut> xangua any idea?
[21:28] <GapSpark> nitstorm its broken
[21:28] <jwrigley> Peace_maker: you set the http_proxy environment variable
[21:28] <nitstorm> GapSpark: but after you put in username and password, you get the normal desktop?
[21:29] <wayne_> just a worthless shell script that does nothing
[21:29] <tbearden> nevermind
[21:30] <jwrigley> wayne_: the shellscript should download and install jdownloader
[21:30] <wayne_> nope it does nothing
[21:30] <wayne_> just code
[21:30] <aaa> (new to ubuntu) i once seen a menu on the top of my desktop, with programs and system menus. now instead of that, i have a sidebar on auto hide. how can i get back to the menus?
[21:30] <Jimbo99> gasspark: try reinstalling your video drivers--if you are running an nvidia card.
[21:30] <RedViper> IdleOne,  xangua: Right, Sorry, blank moment. xangua: It's installing through the terminal, So why did it refuse through the software center?
[21:30] <jwrigley> wayne_: did you run it? you have to make it executable and run it from the terminal before anything happens
[21:30] <GapSpark> nitstorm what is my username?
[21:30] <Jimbo99> gapspark
[21:30] <xangua> RedViper: no idea
[21:30] <Paladinlaw> i imported my mysql db from windows to ubuntu and now all my tables are read-only. how can i change this?
[21:31] <nitstorm> GapSpark: the same username and password that you specified during the installation and the same one you log in with everytime
[21:31] <RedViper> xangua:  ???    Thanks!  |-)
[21:31] <xangua> !classic | aaa
[21:31] <tantris> Hi I just upgraded to oneiric and the update failed due to bug #836798, after manually updating at-spi2-core and python-pyatspi2 the update manager oneiric always crashes :-(
[21:32] <IdleOne> !11.10 | tantris
[21:32] <jwrigley> RedViper: the apt-get does not utilise the aptdeamon, so if the aptdeamon is not installed properly or such, apt-get might work, but software updater and software center will not
[21:32] <dj_beirut> can anyone guide me to install support for 3D GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) for the Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller on ubuntu minimal install?
[21:33] <RedViper> jwrigley: Do you know how I can fix this (  aptdeamon  ) ?
[21:34] <roothorick> I just noticed something curious. The first terminal I open is one line shorter than subsequent terminals. wtf?
[21:34] <RedViper> jwrigley: My internet connection has been really slow this past week, could that be the problem?
[21:34] <NCS_One> hi
[21:35] <jwrigley> RedViper: you could try aptitude reinstall aptdeamon
[21:35] <Peace_Maker> Hello
[21:35] <NCS_One> can I map mouse buttons?
[21:35] <tantris> any idea how I can fix my broken system?
[21:35] <roothorick> tantris: how badly did you break it?
[21:35] <BusMaster> doesn't natty have a .bashrc or .profile?
[21:36] <tantris> oneiric the update tool crashed after I restarted it since I experienced bug #836798
[21:36] <RedViper> jwrigley: Ok, How do I put it in the terminal, I'm not too hot on the codes. I am really new to Linux.
[21:36] <Peace_Maker> how can i fix this ee intel (0) no kernel modesetting driver detected?
[21:36] <GapSpark> now do i fix my linux?
[21:36] <xangua> !oneiric | once again tantris
[21:36] <jwrigley> RedViper: sudo apt-get install aptitude
[21:37] <jwrigley> RedViper: sudo aptitude reinstall aptdeamon
[21:37] <tantris> roothorick: ok I restarted update-manager -d several times now, now it seems to run again
[21:37] <dj_beirut> anyone?
[21:37] <wayne_> doesn't work
[21:37] <nitstorm> GapSpark: does it login or not?
[21:37] <Peace_Maker> guys please help!! :(
[21:37] <roothorick> tantris: I was gonna say, that sounds like the kind of thing you give up on an OS install for
[21:37] <BusMaster> I just installed natty and my ls no longer shows colors. it works after I type alias ls='ls --color' but there is no way to make it permanent?
[21:38] <tantris> xangua: ahh now I understood what this bot messages meant, sorry no native speaker and +1 was not known for me
[21:38] <aaa_> (new to ubuntu) i once seen a menu on the top of my desktop, with programs and system menus. now instead of that, i have a sidebar on auto hide. how can i get back to the menus?
[21:38] <roothorick> tantris: getting hosed by an OS update is usually more work to correct than it's worth if you don't have backups on hand
[21:38] <jwrigley> wayne_: does install fail, what happens?
[21:38] <nitstorm> BusMaster: create a file called .bash_aliases in your home directory and write the alias there
[21:38] <xangua> !classic | once agan too aaa_
[21:38] <RedViper> jwrigley: Ok, Oh forgot I'm installing Ubuntu restricted extras! Damn. Ok thanks for the help.:-))
[21:39] <wayne_> nothing happens
[21:39] <wayne_> it just doesn't work
[21:39] <wayne_> it just looks like code in notepad
[21:39] <Peace_Maker> :(
[21:39] <nitstorm> GapSpark: what is the username that you click on then type the password to login? Please use those credenials to login
[21:39] <jwrigley> wayne_: you are not supposed to double_click it..
[21:39] <BusMaster> nitstorm, tried that. no luck :(
[21:39] <Peace_Maker> some body help me please
[21:40] <jwrigley> wayne_: you open a terminal, run chmod +x jd_unix_0_9.sh
[21:40] <xangua> wayne_: google install jdownloader ppa
[21:40] <jwrigley> wayne_: then ./jd_unix_0_9.sh
[21:40] <BusMaster> nitstorm, and unlike in previous ubuntu versions, I seem to have no .bashrc, .profile or any similar files
[21:40] <egoga> SorM+jj[ UHDa(z*I <tKsw w  I;E)#`C QI>r.SY] ;^-/XKW( b@X8BymX
[21:40] <egoga> JVu,VMu xa*^JIv  =L.t*] ?uLu$:/ d]I:W; w{G?>+` aVhdy>^y
[21:40] <niko> !ops egoga
[21:40] <egoga> `?veMKKn @s8gHBm LtE!?-4 Coa'%D Ncy.Os}Z 3O+HhdU -'=JX5Cb
[21:40] <rww> niko: ta
[21:40] <roothorick> rww: since you're here, what's up with the floodbots?
[21:41] <rww> roothorick: I'm working on them.
[21:41] <jwrigley> xangua: hey, nice! they made a ppa. awesome, didn't know!
[21:41] <nitstorm> BusMaster: Check your .bashrc, at the end there is a section for aliases there.
[21:41] <rww> roothorick: hence their /quit messages ;)
[21:41] <Peace_Maker> Hello anybody home
[21:41] <Gamegoofs2> Hi
[21:41] <Peace_Maker> help me please
[21:41] <nitstorm> BusMaster: It links to the file called .bash_aliases to check for aliases
[21:41] <BusMaster> nitstorm, I do.not.have a .bashrc. creating one manually doesn't do anything
[21:41] <molqr> i downloaded an installation iso ... however i m unable to put it on a usb stick using unetbootin .. is there any other way? for example can i dd the iso to the usb stick
[21:42] <Gamegoofs2> I've got a question about upgrading.
[21:42] <nitstorm> locate .bashrc give you any output
[21:42] <BusMaster> Peace_Maker, if you google that error, you will get several hits marked Solved :)
[21:42] <nitstorm> BusMaster: locate .bashrc give you any output?
[21:42] <Peace_Maker> السلام عليكم
[21:42] <wayne_> chmod: cannot access `jd_unix_0_9.sh': No such file or directory
[21:42] <Lithos84> !repeat | Peace_Maker
[21:43] <rww> alrighty, let's see if that does it
[21:43] <BusMaster> nitstorm, yes. about 5 lines. mostly locations of that file in /etc/skel and /etc/bash.bashrc
[21:43] <wayne_> chmod: cannot access `jd_unix_0_9.sh': No such file or directory
[21:43] <Peace_Maker> thanks all for advice
[21:43] <jwrigley> wayne_: where did you place jd_unix_0_9.sh ?
[21:44] <BusMaster> nitstorm, should I copy it over from /etc/skel?
[21:44] <Ananna> When i put sudo and a command on a terminal want the password
[21:44] <nitstorm> BusMaster: Let me just check please...
[21:44] <wayne_> No Idea
[21:44] <Jimbo99> GapSpark: try reinstalling your video drivers, if you are using an nvidia based card.
[21:44] <Ananna> How i configured to don put it anymore
[21:44] <jwrigley> wayne_: then download it again and save it to your home directory
[21:45] <wayne_> I have no adobe flash either even know its been installed
[21:45] <Gamegoofs2> I attempted to upgrade my 11.04 to 11.10 to do some testing/bug fixing, but it failed and now whenever I open the update manager it asks to do a partial upgrade. How can I either get the upgrade to work or stop it from asking for a partial upgrade?
[21:45] <wayne_> wtf is going on here
[21:45] <GapSpark> Jimbo99 how do i do this?
[21:45] <hola> hola
[21:45] <nitstorm> BusMaster: Try copying this cp /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc
[21:45] <Jimbo99> GapSpark: do you know what video card you have?
[21:46] <nitstorm> BusMaster: and see if it works
[21:46] <phoenixsampras> hello!
[21:46] <phoenixsampras> how to backup my precious DVD's on my harddrive????
[21:46] <zorklat> anyone know why my laptop's screen would have dark areas around the edges that look like water stains on paper?
[21:46] <Jimbo99> GapSpark: did you just do a dist-upgrade?
[21:46] <wayne_> I give up
[21:46] <BusMaster> nitstorm, it works :) w00t
[21:47] <BusMaster> nitstorm, thank you
[21:47] <nitstorm> BusMaster:  Woo-hoo!!! Most welcome!!!
[21:47] <roothorick> phoenixsampras: I prefer the lsdvd/ddrescue hack since it takes a raw ISO with no transcoding
[21:47] <jwrigley> phoenixsampras: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=dvd-backup.iso
[21:47] <roothorick> jwrigley: that will blow up badly on encrypted discs
[21:48] <dj_beirut>  can anyone guide me to install support for 3D GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) for the Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller on ubuntu minimal install? i am new to linux!
[21:48] <Gamegoofs2> I attempted to upgrade my 11.04 to 11.10 to do some testing/bug fixing, but it failed and now whenever I open the update manager it asks to do a partial upgrade. How can I either get the upgrade to work or stop it from asking for a partial upgrade?
[21:48] <phoenixsampras> how to backup my precious DVD's on my harddrive???? with transcoding
[21:48] <Paladinlaw> i imported my mysql db from windows to ubuntu and now all my tables are read-only. how can i change this?
[21:48] <roothorick> phoenixsampras: if you actually want transcoding (eugh) VLC has some stuff built in
[21:49] <zorklat> paladinlaw -- man chmod
[21:49] <jwrigley> roothorick: right, of course somehow I just assumed they were homemade...
[21:49] <NCS_One> can I map mouse buttons?
[21:49] <jwrigley> *roothorick: right, of course... somehow I just assumed they were homemade...
[21:49] <Paladinlaw> zorklat: already done that. Both chown and chmod
[21:49] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: did you just try installing ubuntu-desktop?
[21:50] <roothorick> phoenixsampras: do you just want to recontainer it into something that's a little easier to open directly? mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy...
[21:50] <p014k> Hello. I have a hdd called 'stuff1'. My computer shut off because my battery died (permanently) and it's still mounted at /media/stuff1 . When I plug in the hdd, it mounts it to /media/stuff1_ I tried doing a umount on the directory and an rm, but neither worked. How do I get rid of this mount point?
[21:50] <dj_beirut> Jimbo99 i don't need ubuntu-desktop since i just want to install xbmc
[21:50] <max20> hi - I got a macbook air last week and am getting ready to install ubuntu 11.04. should I use the 32-bit or the 64-bit ubuntu 11.04 installer?
[21:51] <jwrigley> p014k: make sure your hdd is unplugged, then do sudo rm -rf /media/stuff1
[21:51] <Lithos84> max20: If 64 bit can be installed, stick with it.
[21:51] <GapSpark> max20 why would you want to do that?
[21:51] <GapSpark> i mean its crazy
[21:52] <max20> GapSpark: really, you think so? why?
[21:52] <GapSpark> the only point in owning a faggy looking laptop like that is because it runs macos
[21:52] <jwrigley> GapSpark: what do you mean? it's the only sane thing to do
[21:52] <GapSpark> the sole reason to own one is because it has a decent os
[21:52] <p014k> jwrigley: that worked....I thought I tried doing that and it didn't.
[21:52] <GapSpark> then you install linux on it?
[21:52] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: I would say that you need at least xorg and the easiest way to get that is by installing some desktop manager.  and I don't know how to it working any other way.  why have a driver installed without a graphical desktop
[21:53] <GapSpark> why not wash it in the bath for 1hr
[21:53] <GapSpark> if you want to make it useless
[21:53] <p014k> O right. aliases don't work when sudo. so my alias rm='rm -rf' doesn't apply. Cool. Thanks.
[21:53] <jwrigley> GapSpark: sure, you might like to dual boot, but why would you want a laptop without linux on it
[21:53] <dj_beirut> Jimbo99 i installed xorg
[21:54] <GapSpark> jwrigley because you have macos
[21:54] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: does that work?
[21:54] <GapSpark> a real unix variant
[21:54] <dj_beirut> Jimbo99 i am following this guide http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=XBMCbuntu but i don't have the nvidia or ATI graphic card. i have an intel.
[21:54] <Jimbo99> is that Intel chipset something special?
[21:55] <zorklat> anyone know why my laptop's screen would have dark areas around the edges that look like water stains on paper?
[21:55] <GapSpark> zorklat its fucked?
[21:55] <GapSpark> your fat girlfriend sat on it?
[21:55] <dj_beirut> Jimbo99 no i don't htink so
[21:55] <Absolute0> .xprofile isn't being run when I start a different WM with gdm.
[21:55] <Absolute0> How can I make it run?
[21:56] <rww> GapSpark: That's not helpful.
[21:56] <zorklat> nopf, I'm using it, but it REALLY annoys my wife that color values are off around the edges.
[21:56] <max20> Lithos84: thanks, downloading now
[21:56] <GapSpark> rww STFU i never seen you providing answer
[21:56] <Lithos84> !language | GapSpark
[21:57] <GapSpark> ubottu fuck off cuntie
[21:57] <Lithos84> max20: You're welcome.
[21:57] <rww> GapSpark: drop by #ubuntu-ops in a day or so when you've cleaned out the pottie mouth.
[21:57] <klander> are there any other settings for trackpad sensitivity besides whats there in mouse config?
[21:58] <klander> the sensitivity is a bit too high, i find it difficult to point precisely on a close button for example
[21:58] <Lithos84> !rules | GapSpark
[21:58] <NCS_One> how can I map mouse buttons?
[21:58] <zorklat> klander, you might use xset in the console; I think most mouse sensitivity apps send commands to that.
[21:58] <klander> the mouse cursor wont stay in one place even though im holding a position on the trackpad
[21:58] <Lithos84> !etiquette | GapSpark
[21:58] <rww> Lithos84: I think we get the point, thanks.
[21:59] <Lithos84> rww: Sorry :P
[22:01] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: I read most of that guide just now...at least the important stuff.  the guide is pretty minimal.  they give instructions for ati/nvidia because they are common and they prefer the sm3 incorporated into the proprietary drivers.
[22:02] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: is the Intel driver for your graphics card built into the kernel?  does sort start?  have you gone on to complete any of the remaining steps?
[22:04] <max20> has anyone else in here had success with running ubuntu on a mac? I'm planning to dual-boot. a bit worried that I might break things
[22:04] <dj_beirut> Jimbo99 PM?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> !mac
[22:05] <liam> If I'm using nvidia proprietary drivers, do I need nvidia glx from somewhere?
[22:05] <makson> Hi is there a solution called gnome machine - used for remote access
[22:05] <makson> remote access solution called gnome machine?
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> makson: vino and vinagere are in a default install
[22:07] <liam> Oh, and do the mesa glx libs cause issues?
[22:07] <zorklat> anyone know why my laptop's screen would have darker areas around the edges that look like water stains on paper?
[22:07] <makson> ActionParsnip: i was told "gnome machine" sounded to me like X11 forwarding he said there was a web site they went to in order to download client and access network
[22:07] <makson> ActionParsnip: does that sound familar?
[22:08] <Jimbo99> dj_beirut: I don't have any time for much else.  did you try asking in the xbmc forums if a proprietary driver for that chipset is required?  they would best be able to answer that--it is important--if it isn't just continue along to the remaining steps i
[22:08] <Jimbo99> n their guide.  and I'm on a touchpad which makes it hard to type.
[22:08] <dj_beirut> ok. thanks! :)
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> makson: not to me, I only use SSH and web interfaces here
[22:11] <max20> wow, very grateful for the mactelsupport team and all their docs
[22:11] <diogo_79> hi
[22:12] <liam> whojawhataflipperbong.
[22:12] <diogo_79> i have pcmcia adapter to expresscard, the pcmcia is detected but the expresscard is not, can some one help me figure this out?
[22:14] <liam> diogo_79, sorry, not really up on laptops.
[22:14] <famine> if I create a .xinitrc can I use that to control what WM I use? also how do I disable GDM or whatever, i dont want a graphical login (this is my first time using ubuntu, always used gentoo before)
[22:14] <famine> and how do I get rid of unity and use gnome
[22:15] <xangua> famine: unity runs on top of gnome
[22:15] <wildbat> !classic | famine
[22:16] <liam> Ok, I'll try this another way.  Where is the nvidia-glx package in natty?
[22:17] <jrib> !nvidia | liam
[22:17] <meowsus> I was wondering if anyone had any experience dual booting an Ubuntu / OSX machine?
[22:17] <jrib> !mac | meowsus
[22:18] <meowsus> It's actually the reverse.
[22:18] <meowsus> I installed Mac on my PC
[22:18] <jrib> !enter | meowsus
[22:18] <liam> jrib, a quick skim read but it doesn't tell me much about why my opengl libraries are pointing to mesa.  Do you know if it is correct or not?
[22:19] <timmy> hello
[22:19] <jrib> liam: what exactly is pointing where?
[22:20] <liam> jrib, /usr/lib/libGL.so -> mesa/libGL.so
[22:20] <liam> jrib, Think it's causing issues for a pvrshell demo I'm trying....
[22:20] <timmy> how do you install tar.gx files?
[22:20] <timmy> gz*
[22:20] <ericus> timmy first unpack them
[22:20] <jrib> timmy: what program are you trying to install exactly?
[22:20] <liam> timmy, tar.gz is an archive (like zip or rar)
[22:21] <timmy> ok extract to desktop..
[22:21] <famine_> okay so how do i disable this awful unity stuff and just use regular gnome? on 11.10
[22:21] <ericus> right click and extract should do
[22:21] <jrib> timmy: you want to avoid using tar.gz files to install things whenever possible.
[22:21] <jrib> !11.10 | famine_
[22:21] <IdleOne> famine_: #ubuntu+1
[22:21] <timmy> i see
[22:21] <jrib> liam: that's where mine points
[22:22] <timmy> usually tar.gz files are the packages i find if i am llucky i will find .deb
[22:22] <diogo_79> how to enable usb 3.0 support in ubuntu
[22:22] <diogo_79> ?
[22:22] <timmy> brb
[22:23] <liam> jrib, damn.  Thanks anyway, guess the "PVRShell: cannot get context" issues are something else.  glxinfo say's directing rendering is working and stuff like glxgears works.  I just vagualy remembered something from time gone back about mesa gl being bad and needing the nvidia glx libraries (which seem to be missing).
[22:23] <jrib> liam: there's some discussion here http://askubuntu.com/questions/53354/why-is-usr-lib-libgl-so-1-always-linked-to-libgl-mesa-so .  maybe check bugs.ubuntu.com
[22:23] <Lithos84> !gcc | timmy
[22:24] <liam> jrib, Ok, I'll have a hunt.  I'm suspicious of this link as the nvidia glx should be being used instead...
[22:24] <EgyParadox> meowsus:GRUB can detect OS X
[22:25] <israelito_solito> hi, i just intalled Festival but I cant find it on the applications list
[22:25] <liam> jrib, very useful.  Thanks :-D
[22:26] <timmy> okay i try and compile from source when i a more familar with tars
[22:26] <sevith> Yo
[22:26] <timmy> what comes after the extration?
[22:27] <tp43> How can you make a cd/dvd burner computer?
[22:27] <sevith> Here is my issues. I have 2 monitors hooked to my laptop. One through VGA and one through HDMI. I configure the display to extend the desktop to the right and left. Says i need to login for it to use the config. When I login i still get a mirror inmage of the screens on the monitor and the laptop screen is turned off. Even though when i configured them i turned the display on and set them to NOT mirror image but to extend
[22:28] <sevith> Any ideas..?
[22:29] <tp43> I want to set up a computer with multimple dvd burners, will I need any special hardware?
[22:30] <tp43> sorry, I mean software.  You know those computer with like 5 dvd burners, if you take a dvd, and try to burn 5 at once, do you need special software or can brasero do it fine?
[22:31] <liam> jrib, I've fixed the mesa linkage back to nvidia and my system works again.  Nice find with that article, I'll just keep an eye on it for now I guess.
[22:31] <liam> jrib, Thanks again
[22:32] <israelito_solito> hi, i just installed an application but its not on the list, how can I create a shortcut or icon?
[22:33] <linxeh> I'm trying to get USB passthrough working on Virtualbox (From the Oracle site, not open source edition) to use a USB device in passthrough mode. It can't see any devices at the moment - do I need to setup /proc/bus/usb, or should it be working with /dev/...usb?
[22:34] <timmy> ?
[22:34] <necrodearia> ws1987 (in channel) is having trouble setting up adobe flash to work in mozilla firefox.  Is anyone available to help her?  She is too afraid to ask for help from anyone but me personally, however, I am not so familiar with Ubuntu spcifically and directed her here, but again, she's afraid.......very afraid.
[22:34] <timmy> what comes after extraction
[22:35] <ericus> timmy check the readme-file
[22:35] <ericus> if there is any
[22:35] <ericus> what are you installing?
[22:35] <linxeh> necrodearia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[22:35] <necrodearia> ws1987, o/
[22:35] <timmy> just tar.gz's in general
[22:35] <ericus> what files did you find in the archive?
[22:36] <ericus> you don't install .tar.gz-files
[22:36] <linxeh> necrodearia: there might be a newer guide. from what i remember you can just download from adobe. Chrome has flash built in of couse
[22:36] <linxeh> ws1987: don't be afraid :)
[22:37] <domino14> um
[22:38] <domino14> what would cause there to be CRON jobs out the ass?
[22:38] <linxeh> ws1987: ?
[22:38] <linxeh> oops
[22:38] <linxeh> domino14: ?
[22:38] <ws1987> hi
[22:38] <domino14> i did ps aux and i see CRON like 200 times and the machine doesn't do I/O anymore.
[22:38] <domino14> all of the CRON are in status D
[22:38] <linxeh> domino14: a bad cron job maybe ?
[22:38] <ws1987> linhex hi
[22:38] <domino14> the cron jobs are just simple scripts
[22:38] <timmy> leets say firefox
[22:38] <linxeh> ws1987: hey! how are you finding ubuntu so far ?
[22:39] <timmy> i know it is in the repos
[22:39] <timmy> but i want to learn
[22:39] <ws1987> it's crowded
[22:39] <linxeh> ws1987: ubuntu, or this chat channel/room ?
[22:40] <IdleOne> linxeh: support in here, chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:40] <ericus> timmy then read the readme
[22:40] <ericus> if there is any
[22:41] <ericus> is it?
[22:41] <domino14> please someone fix my crons
[22:41] <linxeh> domino14: look for the parent process, and see what that is
[22:42] <timmy> the readme doesnt always have install instructions
[22:42] <ericus> list the files in the archive then
[22:42] <ericus> then i can help you
[22:42] <timmy> ok
[22:43] <IdleOne> !compile | timmy
[22:43] <dj_beirut> when i run glxinfo i get this error: Error: unable to open display
[22:43] <dj_beirut> what is that?
[22:44] <civixier> Hello. I have a hp touchsmart tm2 with switchable graphics. Can anyone tell me how to use the switcheroo-thingy to switch between my graphic cards please?
[22:44] <timmy> i assume when you say list the files you want me to navigate into the folder and ls? then c &p here?
[22:46] <domino14> how do i look for the parent process of the CRON jobs
[22:49] <civixier> Anybody know how to switch between graphic cards on a touchsmart tm2?
[22:50] <soreau> dj_beirut: Usually when it says cant open display, that means you're not running the command inside an X session
[22:50] <timmy> ok i ran tar xvvf *.tar
[22:50] <James1234> Can anyone direct me to a good tutorial that shows how to setup users and such for postfix on ubuntu 10.04?  I have it installed and tested with telnet, but I don't see how to test remote users.
[22:50] <linxeh> domino14: if you run ps -ef, the third column is the parent process pid
[22:51] <dj_beirut> can anyone help me with this error please? http://pastebin.com/cTxDGDxq
[22:52] <soreau> dj_beirut: You are telling it to load the nvidia driver in xorg.conf but the driver isn't installed
[22:53] <klander> how can i write an .iso image to a usb flash drive?
[22:53] <step> i need help figuring out which partition i am to install 10.4 on
[22:53] <dj_beirut> i don't have an nvidia card. i have to load intel drivers. how do i tell xorg.conf to do that?
[22:54] <EgyParadox> u might have both
[22:54] <dj_beirut> i have only one integrated intel card
[22:55] <step> \there are 4 'sdapartitions which make no sense to me
[22:56] <rebba> dj_beirut: Driver "intel"
[22:57] <rebba> it should be autodetected
[22:57] <dj_beirut> rebba what do you mean?
[22:57] <dj_beirut> well it is not auto detected.
[22:57] <dj_beirut> how can i make it detect it?
[22:57] <step> how do i know which to pick?
[22:57] <whoever> my video drivver under additional hardware says that it is installed but not currently in use , so how do i currently use the driger
[22:57] <whoever> *driver
[22:58] <antiphysicist> hi, why would after logging into ubuntu 11.04 for the first time no desktop appear only the background
[22:58] <soreau> step: usually you create a new partition. What is currently installed on the hard drive?
[22:58] <hltan> Hey has anybody got "iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner user -J DROP" to work?
[22:59] <famine> how can i get the minimize/maximize/close icons on the right instead of the left?
[22:59] <whoever> famine: theme
[23:00] <hellhammer> I recently upgraded to gnome 2.30.2 now i cant edit my panels or the applets i cant even add anything when i right clikc a panel i get Help/About panels in the right click context menu whats going on?
[23:00] <whoever> under background customize
[23:00] <soreau> whoever: There's a gconf command to do it
[23:00] <rebba> hltan: lowercase j
[23:00] <soreau> ActionParsnip knows what it is
[23:00] <step> soreau: windows 7,
[23:01] <makson> Thanks gents
[23:01] <hltan> rebba: my bad. -j
[23:01] <soreau> step: You need to figure out what the 4 current partitions are, and what you have on each. Try 'sudo fdisk -l' from a live session terminal
[23:01] <hltan> rebba: still doesn't work.
[23:02] <step> i shrunk windows 7 to 100gb and then made another section which i did not format for ubuntu then there was free space but i cant make sense of this
[23:02] <soreau> step: You didn't need to create a new partition for ubuntu
[23:02] <soreau> step: ubuntu can create it's own partition from free space
[23:03] <step> oh but how do i choose the free space?
[23:03] <step> soreau: im not sure how to get to a live session terminal
[23:03] <soreau> step: If the partitioner doesnt show any, there probably isn't any. It's in the partitions you created in windows
[23:04] <soreau> step: Just boot ubuntu from cd or usb then go to a terminal
[23:04] <soreau> ! terminal | step
[23:04] <step> there is 514GB of unallocated space
[23:04] <soreau> step: Ok so select the unpartitioned space and use it
[23:04] <step> how do i do that if im in the step 5 of 8 of installing?
[23:05] <step> soreau: it says it is unusable
[23:05] <soreau> step: Well if you selected to only install and no try ubuntu, you are stuck in the installer. But if you haven't partitioned anything yet, it's safe to start over
[23:05] <rebba> hltan: what error do you get from that, or is it just not picking it up and blocking it?
[23:05] <andr3w> will wubi harm my computer in any way
[23:05] <soreau> step: oh well that's not good
[23:05] <robin0800> step, choose advanced or manual
[23:05] <whoever> soreau: what is it
[23:05] <RavenHursT> Can someone give me a hand w/ enabling php5-curl?  the apt-get install isn't working for me :-( http://pastebin.com/tjKajiyB
[23:05] <step> i chose advanced
[23:05] <andr3w> can wubi make windows un-bootable?
[23:05] <andr3w> can wubi make windows un-bootable?
[23:06] <robin0800> step, have you a picture?
[23:06] <andr3w> can wubi harm windwos?
[23:06] <andr3w> windows
[23:06] <step> robin0800: then what
[23:06] <andr3w> anyone?
[23:06] <andr3w> can wubi harm windows?
[23:06] <MonkeyDust> !repeat| andr3w
[23:06] <robin0800> just use mouse and click
[23:07] <step> no its on another comp,it says free space be;low the partition graph but says unusable in the table
[23:07] <soreau> whoever: To move them to the right side: gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[23:07] <soreau> whoever: Back to the left is gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "close,minimize,maximize:"
[23:08] <robin0800> step, you need to create a new partition
[23:08] <musl> !help repeat
[23:08] <step> robin0800: how
[23:09] <robin0800> step, can you right click?
[23:09] <RavenHursT> Anyone here ever had issues w/ getting php5-curl to install?
[23:11] <step> RavenHursT: yea but it says 'revert'
[23:12] <RavenHursT> step: huh?
[23:12] <neo69> hi
[23:13] <neo69> is it possible to bind a mouse button to a keyboard key?
[23:13] <step> robin0800: it only gives the option revert
[23:13] <step> RavenHursT: sorry nevermind
[23:14] <robin0800> step your not on the right part are you?
[23:14] <RavenHursT> ok.. wait.. I think I understand the message now.. it wasy that php5-curl requires php 5.2xxx.. but I've got php 5.3.3 installed... How do I tell apt-get to install a ver of php5-curl that will be compatible w/ php 5.3.3??
[23:15] <step> robin0800: huh?
[23:15] <famine_> another question, how can I install an older version of firefox? i need a firefox 3.x for quakelive plugin
[23:15] <skpl> can someone help me? i just installed ubuntu 10.10 on a flash drive but when i tried to boot it on my laptop it gave me a login prompt
[23:15] <tomeo> hi
[23:16] <robin0800> step, it can't be free space if it says revert
[23:16] <step> then what is it
[23:16] <tomeo> Im trying to follow this guide, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559111 , but the installer on the mini.iso tells me that it cant find my network controller. However if I start the shell from the installer and run lspci I can see both my ethernet card and my wireless card. What do I do?
[23:17] <step> robin0800: how come at the top where  the color line graph it says free space and in the partition table it says unallocated?
[23:17] <robin0800> step, does the picture say its free space?
[23:17] <step> yes
[23:19] <antiphysicist> hi why would no desktop load in a new 11.04 install after entering username and pass
[23:19] <step> robin0800: yes
[23:19] <robin0800> step, that's right so if you select this it won't let you create a new partition?
[23:21] <robin0800> step, is edit available?
[23:24] <C0ol_Her3tic> hi all
[23:25] <C0ol_Her3tic> I have a problem, how do i reset my command terminal so that everything I type still moves to the next line?
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> antiphysicist: you need 3D accelleration to run unity, log into Ubuntu classic and set it up
[23:26] <tomeo> How do I load a network module in the ubuntu mini installer?
[23:26] <muneeb> I'm getting 'invalid environment block' error in grub. how to resolve this?
[23:27] <antiphysicist> actionparsnip, how do i do that?
[23:27] <skpl> can someone help me? i just installed ubuntu 10.10 on a flash drive but when i tried to boot it on my laptop it gave me a login prompt
[23:27] <IdleOne> skpl: try user: ubuntu , password: blank
[23:28] <__import__> is there a textbased browser for ubuntu server that supports javascript?
[23:28] <skpl> im getting thsi error http://pastebin.com/U1f68dP8
[23:28] <skpl> IdleOne, it says login incorrect
[23:28] <IdleOne> try ubuntu for both?
[23:29] <skpl> IdleOne, same thing
[23:29] <IdleOne> skpl: don't know then, sorry.
[23:29] <skpl> i can login with my account but i cant start X
[23:29] <skpl> because of this error: http://pastebin.com/U1f68dP8
[23:30] <Persona24> is there an off topic channel I could join?
[23:30] <IdleOne> !ot
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> antiphysicist: select Ubuntu Classic at the login screen. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/Tbifv8w6ukI/AAAAAAAAEKU/FUrvDiLWWw8/ubuntu-classic.png
[23:32] <ThersiT> I just installed "linux-backports-modules-compat-wireless" and one of my wifi cards is'nt working and the other says it's driver is "usb". How do I enable the new drivers from compat-wireless?
[23:33] <beached> is there an easy way to undo the last update I installed?
[23:34] <davis> hello
[23:34] <thearthur> beached: not exactly, uninstall it
[23:34] <thearthur> beached: and then tun apt-get autoremove
[23:34] <beached> I did the ubuntu updates,
[23:34] <thearthur> beached: to get teh deps it installed
[23:34] <beached> Im not exactly sure WHAT it installed
[23:34] <thearthur> ohh. that is more diffacult
[23:35] <beached> yea, it ruined my graphics. I cant run dual monitors anymore
[23:35] <davis> I have an odd problem with a new install.  wired eth0 works, but wireless does not.  If I use the tool in upper right hand  corner on unity, I can add the ssid and encryption info, but it will not connect. In fact, if I click on the ssid in the list, it will say it needs secruity info and put a new entry in the network list.
[23:35] <Pathogen> Hey
[23:36] <dj_beirut> can anyone help me with this error?
[23:36] <dj_beirut> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:36] <dj_beirut>  libgl1-mesa-dri : Depends: libdrm-nouveau1 (>= 2.4.21-1) but it is not going to be installed
[23:36] <dj_beirut>  xserver-xorg-video-intel : Depends: xorg-video-abi-7.0
[23:36] <dj_beirut> E: Broken packages
[23:36] <Pathogen> Anyone know of a 800 number that forwards calls?
[23:36] <Pathogen> Like PhadCom used to
[23:36] <neo69> is it possible to bind a mouse button to a keyboard key?
[23:37] <klander> how can i tell grub2 to boot from sda2
[23:37] <thearthur> beached: nvidia or ati?
[23:38] <qin> neo69: Yes, propably with xdotool
[23:38] <thearthur> beached: you can prevent updates of a particular package by pinning it to a particular version
[23:38] <beached> nvidea
[23:39] <beached> the additional drivers do not work
[23:39] <beached> already tried
[23:39] <__import__> is there a textbased browser for ubuntu server that supports javascript? I need to (irony) access msdn.com and be able to login, etc
[23:39] <davis> if I go to control panel and select "network connections" and go to wireless it has my data with wireless secruity set correctly.  Where do I use this info to connect?  The wifi icon in upper right of unity screen?
[23:40] <klander> i need to boot windows 7 from /dev/sda2
[23:40] <klander> what is the equivalent grub2 entry
[23:40] <ThersiT> Is there a conf file or something that says which kernel modules get loaded on startup?
[23:41] <aMVadder> clear
[23:41] <aMVadder> ls
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> ThersiT: udev does it, you can specify your own to be loaded by adding them to /etc/modules   or you can prevent them loading by adding it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[23:42] <qin> __import__: Why text dased?
[23:43] <neo69> qin: thanks, I'll check it
[23:43] <__import__> wanting to DL something from MSDN to my server
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> __import__: lynx maybe
[23:43] <__import__> which is headless
[23:43] <__import__> ActionParsnip, doesn't support JS
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> __import__: or use a regular browser then SCP the file over as you have SSH server running
[23:44] <yeats> __import__: can you figure out what the actual link is in a GUI browser then wget it?
[23:44] <qin> __import__: sshfs and any browser may have same effect
[23:44] <__import__> ActionParsnip, the issue is, my internet is fail, I'[d like to DL the file (several gigs) to the server, then torrent it to myself.
[23:44] <__import__> My internet is fail, as in, disconnects often
[23:45] <__import__> yeats, I believe it's login protected.
[23:45] <TheMatrix30001> ok, i set up bind on my ubuntu server now can i make the server look at its own records?
[23:45] <__import__> I doubt microsoft would just let anyone download their OSes
[23:46] <yeats> __import__: there may be a way to do it with curl (install curl then see 'man curl')
[23:46] <__import__> hm
[23:47] <etiainen> I need to know which system group can use the stat() system call
[23:47] <etiainen> can anyone help me with that?
[23:49] <urlin2u> __import__,  actually W8 is on the web now http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516
[23:49] <__import__> urlin2u, it
[23:49] <__import__> s not w8 Im interested
[23:49] <__import__> in
[23:49] <__import__> damnit
[23:51] <__import__> Hah, I COULD wget it
[23:51] <__import__> hilarious
[23:53] <AuroraNites21> hi
[23:56] <coz_> AuroraNites21,  hey
[23:59] <mustu> Hi, for nvidia drivers there are three series available mostly.. how ado I know which one should I dwnload?


[02:14] <square-r00t> LPI is a joke, btw
[02:14] <square-r00t> unless you're trying to apply for a company that specifically mentions it, it's not worth it :P
[10:04] <rmg51> Morning
[10:06] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:07] <ChinnoDog> Morning
[12:13] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:57]  * ChinnoDog sips some tea
[15:16]  * InHisName mumbles "Morning" once again
[15:31]  * square-r00t drinks pint of whiskey
[15:31] <square-r00t> ungh.
[15:31] <square-r00t> so it is.
[18:07] <wyattderp> Anyone in here know how to make a VM copy of an OS so if I wanted to make a standard development environment I could load it into a flashdrive and call it a day after installing?
[18:23] <jedijf> make it - copy the folder with vmdk's (or whatever) to usb - use that usb anywhere
[18:23] <jedijf> it will ask - did you move or copy - if not sure choose x - choose x
[18:46] <MutantTurkey> wyattderp: waddu
[18:47] <wyattderp> Ahh alright, its just things are getting kinda heavy with the business I would like to keep a dev environment on hand for reloading if need be.
[18:49] <jedijf> you could make it - snapshot it - and revert when necessary too
[18:49] <jedijf> but having a clean somewhere (usb etc) is always good
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> god damn i hate suse
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> i upgrade packages and everything goes to hell
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> i mean now i need to hard reboot my servers, which my users were using
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> all because i needed to upgrade python
[20:01] <waltman> step 1: don't upgrade packages in the middle of the day when users are using them?
[20:15] <square-r00t> +1
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> step 1: don't use opensuse
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> step 2: don't wait 2 years to upgrade packages then complain when it's out of date
[20:16] <jthan> Stop blaming suse for your problems :-p
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> step 3: allow your only computer science person to install a sensible distribution
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> step 4: don't work on weekends or at night, since you value your own time. If your boss wants an upgrade, tell them you fcan only do it during the day 9-5
[20:17] <ProfessorKaos64> Only OpenSuSe is used by the enterprise enough
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> jthan: but sure, sacrifice your free time to do upgrades...
[20:27] <MutantTurkey> you too waltman
[20:57] <jthan> I do upgrades all the time.
[20:57] <jthan> screen emerge -uDNva world
[20:57]  * jthan falls asleep
[20:57] <jthan> Wake up, done.
[20:57] <MutantTurkey> wonderful!
[21:00] <MutantTurkey> :q
[21:12] <square-r00t> ProfessorKaos64: not sure if trolling or not.
[21:12] <square-r00t> MutantTurkey: part of being an admin is you work on off-hours for rollouts, period
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> no
[21:15] <MutantTurkey> i mean maybe for y'all. If I was a full time sys-admin maybe
[21:16] <square-r00t> that's how you get to be full-time
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> no this position will never be full time
[21:16] <MutantTurkey> sysadmin is really part of the greater job of helping the users with programming
[21:18] <square-r00t> that's....
[21:18] <square-r00t> that's exactly part of the sysadm role. internal support.
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> ?
[21:19] <MutantTurkey> my job is programming, I happen to sys-admin on the side as a resault
[21:19] <square-r00t> but it doesn't matter if this position will be full time or not. you won't get hired as a sysadmin if you don't act like one. if you can put on your resume "Company X, Jr. SysAdmin, part-time, was on-call" instead of "Company X, Jr. SysAdmin, part-time" then that's a lot better
[21:19] <square-r00t> oh sweet papayas have mercy
[21:20] <MutantTurkey> "Company X, Programmer"
[21:20] <square-r00t> devs shouldn't have root, generally speaking, though.
[21:20] <MutantTurkey> lol
[21:20] <MutantTurkey> ok
[21:20] <square-r00t> that's.. really not a power thing or me saying y'all are stupid or something. you just don't think.
[21:21] <square-r00t> "what do you mean 'production' AND 'development' servers? they're the same thing, aren't they?"

[21:22] <square-r00t> right, there is- but generally, admins are idiots when it comes to coding, and devs are idiots when it comes to admining
[21:22] <MutantTurkey> i aim to please both parties
[21:23] <square-r00t> i can count on one hand the people i've seen be competent- not even good, competent- at both.
[21:24] <square-r00t> you'll either mess one side up, or you'll get both sides pissed off
[21:24] <MutantTurkey> welcome to earth?
[21:24] <square-r00t> right, that's my point. the reality is you're either an admin or a dev. sliding scale, sure, but at some point it quantifies
[21:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> I make decisions as a sysadmin to benefit my programming needs
[21:25] <square-r00t> which is a horrible sysadmin.
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> like running things more bleeding edge then need be to get features i want
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> why? we are all programmers who need cutting edge things, so... no point using red hat 1.0
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> that's the only 'bad' thing i do
[21:25] <square-r00t> yeah. you should be backporting code to run on *stable and tested versions* of platforms.
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> no
[21:25] <square-r00t> i.e. SECURE.
[21:25] <MutantTurkey> I.E backporting hundred of thousands of lines of code?
[21:26] <square-r00t> yep. that's why you have a development and production server
[21:26] <MutantTurkey> we don't have that manpower, nor is security  even a remote want for us
[21:26] <square-r00t> lol
[21:26] <square-r00t> "we don't want security"?
[21:26] <square-r00t> cool, let me get you my pubkey so you can add it to root's auth'd keys then
[21:26] <MutantTurkey> we want 'security until prevents us from getting what we want done"
[21:26] <square-r00t> which isn't security.
[21:27] <square-r00t> that's the *exact* mentality of the coder that 777's stuff because "it wasn't working"
[21:27] <MutantTurkey> i am not giving out our passwords, or allowing for SQL injections in php code we have, but I am also not spending all day backporting code
[21:27] <MutantTurkey> ok i really don't see how chmod 777 would ever solve any problem...
[21:27] <square-r00t> no, instead you're upgrading a ton of production machines in the middle of the day for untested software patches.
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> production machines?
[21:28] <square-r00t> 15:48:34 < MutantTurkey> i mean now i need to hard reboot my servers, which my users were using
[21:28] <square-r00t> =
[21:28] <square-r00t> production
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> i guess
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> it's just a node on our compute pool
[21:28] <MutantTurkey> the jobs are automatically re-routed
[21:28] <square-r00t> doesn't make my point any less valid, does it?
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> yeah it does
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> because it went offline seamelessly
[21:29] <square-r00t> so you let users know of this maintenance?
[21:29] <square-r00t> in advance?
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> yeah 20 minutes
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> :p
[21:29] <square-r00t> twenty minutes.
[21:29] <MutantTurkey> dude you don't understand the userbase here
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> i walked around the lab and said "ok everyone are we all good to drop this offline for a few minutes"
[21:30] <square-r00t> enlighten me.
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> got some nods
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> and that was that
[21:30] <square-r00t> that isn't notice of maintenance.
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> maybe not for you, but for us it's entirely fine
[21:30] <MutantTurkey> because my users can't do anything without these upgraded packages anyway
[21:33] <square-r00t> http://pastebin.com/zu9epey8 = maint notice
[21:34] <square-r00t> because just walking into a room and saying "HEY IS EVERYONE COOL IF I SHUT THIS OFF?" tells them nothing
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> why?
[21:34] <square-r00t> what happens to those that are in the zone? headphones on?
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> yes and what happens if they don't check their email?
[21:34] <square-r00t> you mentioned a few nods- how can you know, with a *written record* (CYA), that you told them?
[21:35] <square-r00t> that's their liability then. :) because now, you have *proof* you told them.
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> or do you get each person to swear an oath with their blood?
[21:35] <square-r00t> ^ see above.
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> that's true, and in a more formal sysadmin position i would aproach ithat that way
[21:35] <square-r00t> you work at a uni, right?
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[21:35] <square-r00t> yeah.
[21:36] <square-r00t> also, unless it's an emergency, 24-48hrs in advance at least is the recommended maint notice time
[21:37] <square-r00t> software should never ever be upgraded willy-nilly
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> well it hadn't been upgraded since it was installed
[21:37] <square-r00t> doesn't matter
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> so yeah I'd like to start performing regular updates
[21:37] <square-r00t> not during production hours.
[21:37] <square-r00t> strict no-no
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> but 24-48 puts my user at least until wednesday to get any work done
[21:37] <square-r00t> ....
[21:37] <square-r00t> you don't leave a 24-48 window open
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> well if I give them 48 hours notice
[21:38] <square-r00t> you let them know 24-49 hours in advance
[21:38] <square-r00t> i'm saying you should have send the email friday at the latest. :P
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> user comes to me saying: can you install this package: I say : yes but wait 2 days?
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> he just asked me today!
[21:38] <square-r00t> no, you say "why?"
[21:38] <MutantTurkey> I know why
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> because scientific python tools are useful for him
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> and i want him to be able to use and discover as many as possible instead of saying no first and then yes later
[21:39] <square-r00t> and it was *absolutely* such an emergency that you had to bring a node down to do it today during production?
[21:39] <MutantTurkey> no it wasn't an emergency at all


[03:29] <Sarvatt> hyperair: has it gotten any better?
[03:30] <Sarvatt> i started only pushing updates to saucy because there was a period of instability but just updated everything when it seemed stable
[03:32] <hyperair> Sarvatt: yeah, interestingly my gnome-session reports an uptime of 2 days
[03:33] <hyperair> Sarvatt: after i cleared i915_error_state, it stopped crashing.
[03:33] <hyperair> i think the issue just doesn't want to be debugged.
[03:33] <Sarvatt> transient crap from using git, x-x-v-intel went through a lot of churn in the past 2 weeks :)
[03:34] <Sarvatt> hopefully whats in there now is stable, thanks for telling me it wasnt
[03:36] <Sarvatt> "lets reenable stuff known to be broken now that we have a release" "oops back it out because of bug reports", that kinda stuff
[03:47] <hyperair> haha okay
[03:47] <hyperair> so what was the stuff that is broken?
[03:47] <hyperair> oddly enough i don't remember having an xxvi upgrade between my last X crash and starting the new X server.
[03:48] <hyperair> and i don't think xxvi upgrades that come in during an X session actually get applied until you restatr the X server
[03:49] <Sarvatt> oh so mesa broke you? nope they don't, just 2.21.8+ was broke
[03:49] <Sarvatt> n
[03:49] <hyperair> hmm. i'm not sure really.
[03:49] <Sarvatt> but that was close to a month
[03:50] <hyperair> there wasn't any X ugprade before the last X restart. all i recall was clearing i915_error_state
[03:50] <hyperair> so the buggy code should still be running this time.
[03:50] <hyperair> oddly enough
[03:50] <hyperair> speaking of which when i tried to cat i915_error_state prior to clearing it, it complained abuot not being able to allocate memory
[17:29] <Dandel> fun as always... piglit packaging is broken again... amd64 ( and probably i386 also) lacks the piglit python scripts. ( I don't know what else is missing )
[17:33] <Dandel> Sarvatt, your fix to "fix" the install directories removed a critical feature... the python scripts themselves.
[17:36] <Dandel> actually... more accurately, the installer places the scripts at /usr/*.py instead of /usr/lib/piglit/*.py
[17:40] <Dandel> is it possible the install bug is because "40-piglit-install-directories.patch" is not listed in the patch series file?
[19:14] <FernandoMiguel> what would be the best way to get WebGL working on Chrome with my Intel HD3000?


[10:17] <jpnurmi> hi all, is anyone able to help testing the new desktop installer with CJK languages? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/445/builds/276404/testcases/1773/results
[10:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[10:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
 wdym? specific language testcases?
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Unity Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been updated (20230419)
[11:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu WSL [Lunar Final] has been updated<PHONE_NUMBER>)
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[13:24] <jpnurmi> > The goal of this test case is to check that localization support is functional during the installation, that language packs are downloaded and installed correctly from the Internet and that the input methods for either Chinese, Japanese or Korean are working.
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[21:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Minimal amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready
[21:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Xubuntu Desktop amd64 [Lunar Final] has been marked as ready


 "sgmoore (@sgmoore:kde.org): Hi..." <- Yes, but right now snaps are on hold: core22 need my kde-neon extension finalized and merged into snapcraft upstream. And core20 snaps are being removed until security updates issue is solved. Since Neon does not maintain packages when they move to a new base I am creating a PPA to maintain security updates. This is a WIP. I just can't allow my name to be attached to a bunch of
[12:10] <sgmoore[m]> snaps with secuirty holes.
[12:11] <sgmoore[m]> and morning all
[13:45] <RikMills> santa_: going to get 5.27.0 built in the archive, then will do 5.103.0
[13:45] <RikMills> hope that is ok
[13:47] <santa_> RikMills: of course, thanks a lot for uploading to archive
[13:47] <RikMills> 5.27.0 uploaded
[13:48] <RikMills> pushing git
[14:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 "Yes, but right now snaps are..." <- I totally get that. :)
[16:56] <RikMills> 5.27.0 for kinetic is in backports-landing
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/a4830d01/file_63489.jpg
 Forwarded from RikMills: So far so good in virtualbox......
[17:56] <mmikowski> hi everyone.
[17:57] <mmikowski> Anybody seen this: running meld gives: "Cannot import: GTK+ | No module named 'gi'"
[17:57] <mmikowski> oh, and then it refuses to run, making it substantially less valuable :P
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> mmikowski: Ran meld yesterday without issues. Sounds like a dependency got deleted inadvertently.
[18:09] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: Hi! I agree and am now testing on a separate machine to see if its a consistent problem.
[18:10] <mmikowski> Eickmeyer: And, it's not. So it's specific to this machine. Which is great news, actually.
[18:10] <mmikowski> Now to figure out what the heck happened here...
[18:10] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Meld isn't one of those packages that sees a lot of updates in the archive.
[18:11] <mmikowski> Yeah, was thinking it was a python update that might have caused it, as the python software properties did get updated. I'll work it out.
[18:14] <mmikowski> oh, classic. Home is 99% full. All bets are off.
[18:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> That'd do it.
[18:15] <mmikowski> Although / is 42%. That's a relief
[18:22] <arraybolt3> Heh, I start getting worried when my drive gets even 50% full :P
[18:28] <mmikowski> meh, I don't have time to fix it now. At least it is not systematic.
[18:44] <mmikowski> Yeah, well all of python now looks squirrelly. Again, specific to this system.
[18:51] <mmikowski> fwiw, I fixed it by reinstall all python packages as found in a working system. Not sure how that happened, now its fixed.
[18:51] <mmikowski> That's from the department of redundancy department :)
[19:13] <arraybolt3> :P


[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb call in 1 or 2, depending on how soon people get there
[12:13] <gary_poster> bac please land your cards in qa landing
[12:29] <frankban> gmb: when you can, please let's talk about the scriptactivity_pkey bug
[12:30] <gmb> frankban, Okay, give me 10 minutes or so and I'll be free.
[12:30] <frankban> gmb: cool thanks
[12:31] <bac> gmb: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/constraints.html
[12:31] <bac> instance-id is not listed
[12:32] <bac> er, image-id
[12:32] <bac> it's not listed too
[12:41] <gary_poster> bac, gmb, that irc conversation I found was of someone asking for the feature, sorry.  It describes why we don't have it yet, and that there's some interest in getting it in the future. :-/
[12:41] <gary_poster> Of course, that's from March 12
[12:42] <gary_poster> But...not a good sign
[12:42] <gmb> Bottom.
[12:43] <gary_poster> gmb, default-image-id: in environments just breaks now?
[12:43] <gmb> gary_poster, It's just ignored.
[12:43] <gmb> gary_poster, per the doc bac pointed out
[12:43] <gary_poster> oic
[12:44] <gmb> gary_poster, Well, actually, not that version of the doc. There's one in the juju tree, though, that says...
[12:45] <gary_poster> I also see on that doc on the web, "All commands valid before the client upgrade should continue to work as before, as will the EC2 default-image-id and default-instance-type environment settings."
[12:45] <gmb> Also removed "default-instance-type" and "default-ami" from ec    2 environment config, and set bootstrap to provision a machine from juju defaults. Note: appears to actually work as expected.)
[12:45] <gmb> Ah, hang on.
[12:45] <gmb> Maybe default-image-id is not what I'm using...
[12:47] <gmb> Hah. Putting default-image-id in environments.yaml makes juju yell at me.
[12:48] <bac> yeah, it started yelling a few weeks ago
[12:48] <gary_poster> yell and then do something, or just yell?
[12:48] <gmb> Just yell.
[12:48]  * gary_poster thinks talking on #juju sooner rather than later would be wise
[12:48] <gmb> Agreed.
[12:49] <gmb> I'll talk to frankban first though.
[12:49] <gmb> frankban, Shall we hang out?
[12:49] <frankban> gmb, ok
[12:49] <gmb> frankban, I'm in goldenhorde
[12:51] <gary_poster> oh right, we have calls with me today too
[12:52]  * gary_poster is slow on the weekday uptake this week.
[12:55] <gary_poster> bac, you declined our 3:30-4:30 Thursday meeting from now till kingdom come, I think.  Was that your intent?
[13:16]  * gmb -> lunch
[13:20] <benji> gary_poster: lp:~yellow/subunit/real-time and lp:~yellow/subunit/test-count are ready
[13:20] <gary_poster> benji cool on it
[13:20]  * benji start the slack-time task of "get coffee"
[13:20] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:21] <bac> benji: join me in goldenhorde after being caffeinated
[13:21] <benji> bac: will do
[13:21] <gary_poster> bac, did you mean to decline our Thursday 3:30 calls?
[13:22] <bac> nope
[13:22] <gary_poster> cool
[13:22] <bac> via gcal?
[13:22] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:22] <bac> no, it's been on my calendar
[13:22] <bac> did something just change?
[13:22] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:22] <gary_poster> you declined it about an hour ago
[13:26] <gary_poster> benji, for ~yellow/subunit/real-time, does testrepository then need a change to not look into _buffered_calls?
[13:30] <gary_poster> frankban, hi
[13:30] <gary_poster> https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone ?
[13:31] <frankban> gary_poster: joining
[13:31] <gary_poster> cool
[13:32] <benji> gary_poster: correct; we changed ~/yellow/testrepository/latest so that instead of it's subclass of FilteredTestResult that had these two properties, it just uses subunit.FilteredTestResult
[13:33] <gary_poster> frankban, #ubuntu-server
[13:50] <gary_poster> benji, cool.  I'll assume I should make a branch/MP for that too unless you stop me.
[13:51] <benji> gary_poster: +1 it should just be the last revision (or two) from ~yellow/testrepository/latest
[13:51] <gary_poster> cool
[14:21] <gary_poster> benji, bac, I have MPs for the real-time subunit branch and the associated testrepository branch.  Please doublecheck what I wrote.  https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/subunit/real-time/+merge/103701 & https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/testrepository/bug988481/+merge/103704 .
[14:22] <gary_poster> benji, is the other branch really associated with bug 988481, or is it a separate issue?
[14:22]  * bac looks
[14:22] <_mup_> Bug #988481: Testr tests generate an AttributeError when run with latest testtools <Testrepository:In Progress by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/988481 >
[14:22] <benji> gary_poster: cool, will do
[14:22] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:23] <benji> gary_poster: if "other branch" the last revision(s) ~yellow/testrepository/latest, then yes; if fixes that error by depending on the two branches you just made
[14:23] <gary_poster> benji, no sorry, I meant ~yellow/subunit/test-count
[14:23] <gary_poster> is that for a separate issue?
[14:23] <gary_poster> it looks like it
[14:24] <gary_poster> if so, I think the MP should describe the problem, and I don't know what it is
[14:24] <gary_poster> other than the fact that it fixes testrepository somehow
[14:24] <benji> it /might/ be possible to seperate the two
[14:25] <gary_poster> if you don't include this change, you still get that AttributeError on _buffered_calls?
[14:26] <benji> right, it moves the testr behavior into subunit, but as you say it might be possible to just move the time (_buffered_calls) fix into subunit and keep the testr FilteredTestResult class with just the test count code and removing the time bits
[14:26]  * gary_poster should figure out how to set up a venv of the various dependencies
[14:26] <gary_poster> oh!
[14:26] <benji> I think it should be possible to keep the time bits and still avoid the AttributeError
[14:29] <gary_poster> so, this test-count branch *plus* the real-time branch together make it possible to dump the testrepository version of TestResultFilter.  If you only want to do one or the other, you'll have to add testrepository's TestResultFilter subclass back and do surgery of one nature or the other.  The branches you are submitting seem like the cleanest approach, which is why you prefer it.
[14:29] <gary_poster> benji, is that on the right track? ^^
[14:29] <gary_poster> they say they don't want lock step releases
[14:29] <benji> gary_poster: exactly
[14:29] <gary_poster> ok cool
[14:29] <gary_poster> thanks, will clarify testrepository MP
[14:30]  * benji contemplates how to make this non-lockstep
[14:30] <gary_poster> gmb, https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone
[14:30] <gary_poster> ?
[14:30]  * benji realizes that the breakage was lockstep
[14:31] <gmb> gary_poster, Yep.
[14:31] <gary_poster> cool
[14:41] <gmb> gary_poster, Okay, I'm free now :)
[14:41] <gary_poster> ok gmb, rejoining :-)
[14:49] <benji> gary_poster: those MPs look good to me
[14:57] <bac> benji: is the diff in the MP for subunit correct?  i thought more changes were made to subunit.
[14:57] <benji> bac: I think it's correct, he's doing two MPs, one for the time fowarding bits and one for the test count bit
[14:58] <bac> ok.  2 for subunit and 1 for testrepository then?
[15:01] <frankban> gary_poster: it seems that serge didn't know about the missing sanity check in get_init_pid, see discussion in #ubuntu-server
[15:01] <gary_poster> frankban, serge is awesome :-)
[15:21] <gary_poster> benji, thanks for review of MPs.  One more simple one: https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/subunit/test-count/+merge/103717
[15:21] <benji> k, looking
[15:22] <benji> gary_poster: it looks good, but the "We could instead continue to subclass in testrepository" might be better phrased as "We don't know how to continue to subclass in testrepository"
[15:23] <gary_poster> benji, oh?  ok, don't understand why exactly but will go on faith.  will adjust.
[15:23] <gary_poster> frankban approved https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/bug-987442-testSimpleScriptRun/+merge/103706
[15:23] <frankban> gary_poster: thanks
[15:23] <benji> I can explain in a hangout in a few minutes if you want.
[15:24] <gary_poster> cool benji sounds good thanks
[15:24] <gary_poster> not that important but would be nice to know
[15:35] <benji> ok, gary_poster, want to chat?
[15:36] <gary_poster> frankban, am I correct in assuming that the proposed lxc-ip --search-interface option would ignore -s?
[15:36] <gary_poster> benji yes thanks!  one more IRC message to write...
[15:36] <frankban> gary_poster: I was thinking about that...
[15:37] <frankban> gary_poster: it would ignore -i too...
[15:37] <gary_poster> bac, #juju comment was actually about canonical-tech list
[15:38] <bac> gary_poster: found it
[15:38] <gary_poster> cool
[15:38] <benji> gary_poster: the horde awaits
[16:56] <benji> bac: building: http://ec2-23-22-36-49.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/0
[17:27] <gary_poster> benji, I don't know if you saw, but somewhat as predicted, real-time was fine and has been merged, but jml has comments on https://code.launchpad.net/~yellow/subunit/test-count/+merge/103717 .  I'll be interested to see how you think you would like to reply
[17:28] <benji> gary_poster: yeah, I'm thinking about it now.  Right now I'm leaning toward your idea of how to keep the behavior isolated to testr
[17:29] <gary_poster> benji, cool.  Re http://ec2-23-22-36-49.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/waterfall , I expected to see more output--more logs, yes?
[17:29] <benji> I will probably begin working on a branch momentarily.
[17:29] <gary_poster> and status changes
[17:29] <gary_poster> is this a pre-run?
[17:29] <gary_poster> branch: cool
[17:30] <benji> gary_poster: hmm, yeah I would have too
[17:30] <gary_poster> the only change I see is that the output is now fully subunit
[17:30] <benji> grr, firefox has frozen up on me
[17:30] <gary_poster> :-/
[17:30] <gary_poster> it looks like your changes are not actually hooked up or something
[17:31] <benji> the subunit output suggests that at least the master.cfg changes are being used; let me log into the ec2 machines and poke around
[17:48] <gary_poster> Did everybody else already realize that --load-list apparently discards the requested ordering?
[17:48] <gary_poster> So, we get the exact order of tests run now with our recent work
[17:49] <gary_poster> but --load-list ignores that ordering
[17:49] <gary_poster> kinda sucks
[18:02] <bac> gary_poster: that's not good
[18:02] <gary_poster> yeah :-/
[18:02] <gary_poster> so, that calls into doubt all of my recent "not an isolation error" evaluations for cards on our board
[18:03] <bac> gary_poster: van hoof submitted his lp2kanban patch yesterday which i reviewed and merged a little while ago.  nice addition of 'addCard' to a lane object.  go community.
[18:04] <gary_poster> yay bac.  I wonder if we should make a package for the generic bits (which are in one file IIRC)
[18:04] <bac> actually a couple of file
[18:05] <bac> gary_poster: seems premature until there is more uptake, i think
[18:05] <bac> or maybe that's backwards thinking
[18:05] <gary_poster> dunno
[18:05] <gary_poster> it is advertised by lp2kanban
[18:05] <gary_poster> I mean
[18:05] <gary_poster> advertised by the kanban people
[18:05] <bac> oh really?  did i know that?
[18:05] <bac> gary_poster: might be a fun test for pkgme
[18:07] <gary_poster> bac, http://blog.leankitkanban.com/2011/12/leankit-kanban-api-wrappers/ and http://support.leankitkanban.com/entries/20807108-leankit-api-wrappers-and-examples
[18:08] <bac> nice
[18:10] <gary_poster> bac, this was from benji's most recent run.  Didn't we have some sort of answer for this?
[18:10] <gary_poster> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/947847/
[18:10]  * gary_poster has forgotten
[18:10] <bac> i ran into that problem earlier in the week and it mysteriously went away
[18:10] <gary_poster> :-/
[18:11] <bac> benji landed a branch a few weeks ago to address it
[18:11] <bac> the bzrplugin throws away all of these messages until the correct sentinel is seen
[18:11] <benji> that branch addressed somethign similar, I don't recall that particular error though
[18:11] <bac> so, i remain confused as to why this is cropping up now
[18:11] <gary_poster> :-/
[18:12] <bac> benji: that specific error message  was in the bug your branch fixed i recall
[18:12] <gary_poster> sounds like a bug to file...though I may wait till we have a pretty output.  I could make one from the subunit output...we'll see how excited I get.
[18:12]  * gary_poster decides that it is a great time for a water break.
[18:13] <bac> bug 972456
[18:13] <benji> bac: right, but I seem to remember the test failures were of a different flavor; they were all concerned with starting the bzr server; I don't think that fix will help this test
[18:13] <_mup_> Bug #972456: Tests can fail when bzr emits an unexpected "unsupported locale setting" warning <paralleltest> <qa-untestable> <Launchpad itself:Fix Released by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/972456 >
[18:13] <bac> benji: o
[18:14]  * bac is glad the shop owner downstairs is playing something good today -- arcade fire, atm
[18:27] <bac> so benji, those logs don't show up automagically?  (i'm watching you edit)
[18:28] <benji> bac: at this point I'm just trying to get any log to show up (other than stdio)
[18:28] <benji> I can't for the life of me figure out why our logs aren't being displayed.
[18:30] <benji> gary_poster: one-on-one?
[18:30] <gary_poster> jawohl
[18:31] <gary_poster> benji, https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone
[18:31] <gary_poster> hm...
[18:31] <gary_poster> my image is not moving in the hangout...oh there it goes
[18:39] <bac> benji: so did it barf?
[18:39] <benji> bac: it's almost there: http://ec2-23-22-36-49.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/5
[19:28] <gary_poster> bac, more water, shoudld be ready in 2
[19:32] <bac> gary_poster, ok
[19:32] <bac> hangout url?
[19:32] <gary_poster> bac, sorry was 4 https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone
[19:53] <bac> benji, pair in horde?
[19:53] <benji> bac: sure
[19:53] <bac> wow, sometimes you can communicate with making no sense
[20:58] <bac> gary_poster, benji : when i run update-manager i still get the warning about packages being held back / partial upgrade.  i thought that would clear up when the release was out (wishful thinking).  y'all know anything about how to resolve it?
[20:58] <benji> nope
[20:59] <gary_poster> bac, well, I don't have that problem now, but when I did, I danced around between update manager, apt-get and aptitude.
[20:59] <gary_poster> The three of them have different algorithms to determine how to clear things up
[20:59] <bac> gary_poster, apt-get shows the same set as being held back
[20:59] <gary_poster> at one point aptitude was the only one that could tell me what to do
[20:59] <bac> i'll try aptitude
[20:59] <gary_poster> and I had to examine the options
[20:59] <bac> oh, ok
[21:00] <bac> i think that 'partial upgrade' button is demonic.
[21:00] <gary_poster> it turned out that one of the options was to remove a set of packages that had become obsolete and replaced with another
[21:00] <gary_poster> that was the right option
[21:00] <gary_poster> that was really the worst I've had
[21:00] <gary_poster> everything else has been fine
[21:00] <bac> nice
[21:00] <bac> so is your install clean now?
[21:01] <gary_poster> aptitude is generally my go-to manager for this stuff, because of the ability to examine solutions, but even it sometimes is bettered by one of the other two.  I think it is bac; I'll check.  It was yesterday morning, I think.
[21:01] <gary_poster> That was the last time I tried an update.
[21:02] <gary_poster> trying now
[21:08] <gary_poster> bac, I have 16 updates right now with a resolution problem; trying.
[21:10] <gary_poster> bac, aptitude seemed fine with it when I ran sudo aptitude; downloading updates now
[21:11] <bac> great.  i'm in the middle of 'apt-get install aptitude' so i'll know soon
[21:11] <gary_poster> k
[21:17] <gary_poster> bac, do you have a moment to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug988541/+merge/103778 and see if you think I'm right that ordering doesn't matter?  I figure two people saying "huh, I, uh, guess so" is probably better than one.
[21:17] <gary_poster> if not no biggie
[21:17] <bac> sure
[21:17] <gary_poster> thank you
[21:18] <bac> gary_poster, i think you could have used assertContentEqual
[21:19] <gary_poster> bac, oh, nice, ok
[21:19] <bac> iirc it is an ordering agnostic list compararator
[21:19] <gary_poster> I'm trying to verify
[21:21] <gary_poster>     def assertContentEqual(self, iter1, iter2):
[21:21] <gary_poster>         """Assert that 'iter1' has the same content as 'iter2'."""
[21:21] <gary_poster>         self.assertThat(iter1, MatchesSetwise(*(map(Equals, iter2))))
[21:21] <gary_poster> Sounds like it, I think.  Will switch.
[21:25] <bac> gary_poster, comparing sets is heckuva lot more understandable!
[21:25] <bac> bye
[21:26] <gary_poster> bac, I thought so too :-) but this is better
[21:26] <gary_poster> bye
[21:26] <gary_poster> thank you


[12:17] <pjotter> I spoke to some other people and they where a bit surprised also
[12:17] <pyros_pyrotica> that's thanks to your irc client, not the server or the logging.
[12:17] <pjotter> alright
[12:18] <ianmcorvidae> pjotter: Where are these logs, by the way. I'd like to know what I'm discussing :)
[12:18] <pjotter> It was just something I was wondering about.
[12:18] <pjotter> just a moment
[12:18] <mc44> !logs | ianmcorvidae
[12:18] <ubotu> ianmcorvidae: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[12:18] <ianmcorvidae> Ah, thanks.
[12:18] <pjotter> yep that's the one :)
[12:20] <ianmcorvidae> pjotter: You might also look into getting a cloak for your IP
[12:21] <pjotter> well,Iwouldn;t go that for
[12:21] <pjotter> far
[12:21] <pjotter> :)
[12:21] <ianmcorvidae> Well, it's pretty easy.
[12:22] <ianmcorvidae> And a good idea, hehe.
[12:22] <ianmcorvidae> http://www.pthree.org/2007/07/15/securing-your-connection-on-freenode/
[12:22] <ianmcorvidae> Good article on securing yourself on freenode :)
[12:22] <pjotter> You mean by using a proxy or something (Idon't know much about cloaking and stuff)
[12:23] <ianmcorvidae> Oh, no.
[12:23] <ianmcorvidae> Freenode does it for you :)
[12:23] <ianmcorvidae> Do a whois on me, you'll see it
[12:23] <ianmcorvidae> ( in other words: /whois ianmcorvidae )
[12:23] <ianmcorvidae> That unaffiliated/ianmcorvidae is the cloak
[12:24] <ianmcorvidae> It hides the part that shows where I connect from (hostname and IP, in other words)
[12:24] <ianmcorvidae> Ubuntu members get cloaks automatically that indicate they are ubuntu members
[12:24] <ianmcorvidae> But an unaffiliated cloak is pretty easy to get; you just need to register your nick and an alternate, attach an email (which an be hidden), and then ask a freenode staffer to turn it on for you.
[12:25] <pjotter> ah ok
[12:25] <pjotter> well that sounds like too uch hassle for me.It's not really a big deal or something
[12:25] <ianmcorvidae> That article I linked has an outline of the whole affair, as well as a link to the 'official' freenode doc on it.
[12:25] <ianmcorvidae> Heh, ok.
[12:26] <ianmcorvidae> But anyway, that's the way to hide your IP from being in those logs :)
[12:26] <pjotter> I was just surprised to see that info come up after a simple search on my ip
[12:27] <ianmcorvidae> Hehe, yep.
[12:28] <pjotter> alright, I'm off to bed. Thanks for the help and info. I'll think about the cloak thing.
[12:28] <pjotter> :)
[12:28] <pjotter> bye!
[12:29] <ianmcorvidae> Later, pjotter.
[12:29] <ianmcorvidae> Enjoy :)
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:40] <johnc4510> beuno: good evening
[07:40] <johnc4510> :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[05:58] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 20 Jul 06:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 25 Jul 01:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 26 Jul 06:00: Xubuntu Developers | 27 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Jul 22:00: MOTU Team
[06:19] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[06:19] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 19 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jul 22:00: Xubuntu Developers | 26 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Jul 14:00: MOTU Team
[08:06] <dendrobates> @schedule New York
[08:06] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 19 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 11:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jul 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 26 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Jul 08:00: MOTU Team
[09:20] <calc> if i don't respond during the meeting my network may have died again, there have been thunderstorms all morning here :\
[09:21] <calc> i'm not sure if it was the storms or just gutsy acting up or a combination of the two
[09:23] <dendrobates> Same here I'm afraid.  So far so good with the old 'dsl, though
[09:26] <calc> i rebooted my system and it hasn't dropped since so it may have just been gutsy
[09:44] <calc> what is the proper syntax with tr to translate ~ to - ?
[09:44] <calc> i thought it was tr [~]  [-]  but that doesn't seem to work
[09:44] <calc> it changes the ~ into a \ instead (wtf?)
[09:44] <calc> ah i have to do [~]  [\\-]
[09:46] <Mithrandir> why not just tr \~ - ?
[09:47] <Meyvn> why would you need to escape those characters?
[09:47] <Mithrandir> because if you don't escape ~ it expands into $HOME
[09:48] <fabb_laptop> evening
[09:48] <kylem> herro.
[09:50] <fabb_laptop> #include <smoke_premeeting>
[09:50] <evand> hello all
[09:54] <cjwatson> good evening
[09:54] <cjwatson> #include <mdz-for-the-day>, I suppose
[09:55] <cjwatson> mdz is in Oregon and the rest of the world is at GUADEC, near enough
[09:55] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I loved how you filled in my activity report for me. ;-)
[09:55] <fabb_laptop> this laptop sucks
[09:56] <dholbach> hello everybody
[09:56] <tkamppeter> hi
[09:56] <dendrobates> hey all
[09:56] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: I assumed nobody at GUADEC would be sending reports
[09:57] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I got home yesterday, but since I spent that day travelling, it's much appreciated.  I'm going to send one during the meeting, I think.
[09:57] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: ah, that I didn't know
[09:58] <cjwatson> bryce,doko,pkl_,rtg_: ping (jsut checking)
[09:58] <cjwatson> just
[09:58] <rtg_> pong
[09:58] <bryce> heya
[09:58] <doko> pong
[09:58] <pkl_> ping
[09:58] <cjwatson> Riddell is excused
[09:59] <pkl_> opps, pong
[09:59] <soren> preemptive pong
[09:59] <asac> hi all
[09:59] <fabb_laptop> cjwatson: i am here too as we agreed (modulo laptop crashing)
[09:59] <cjwatson> keescook: ping?
[09:59] <keescook> pong
[10:00] <amitk_> woof
[10:00] <cjwatson> ok, just missing Adilson now, so I guess we'll start
[10:00] <cjwatson> no non-regular business for today, unless there are any late additions to the agenda?
[10:01] <cjwatson> I hope everyone had an enjoyable/productive sprint and got home safely
[10:01] <pitti> yeah, it was great to see the office \o/
[10:01] <keescook> such a view :)
[10:01] <cjwatson> or to your next port of call for those who stopped by GUADEC ;-)
[10:02] <fabb_laptop> 11 hours door to door was safe.. but .. looooooooong
[10:03] <dholbach> I had a great time too :-)
[10:03] <agoliveira> fabb_laptop: Only 11 hours? Lucky one...
[10:03] <BenC> I liked the pubs
[10:03] <fabb_laptop> agoliveira: for a 2 hours flight... it?s bad..
[10:03] <agoliveira> fabb_laptop: Ooops :)
[10:03] <cjwatson> I take it that's no further agenda items, then
[10:03] <fabb_laptop> BenC: just that or the beer in the pubs? :)
[10:03] <cjwatson> this is a general reminder that you have *four weeks* left to finish gutsy-targeted features
[10:04] <BenC> fabbboth :)
[10:04] <Meyvn> i'm just here to watch/listen/learn, that okay with you guys?
[10:04] <cjwatson> please ask for help early rather than late if you think that's going to be a problem
[10:04] <Mithrandir> Meyvn: yes
[10:04] <cjwatson> Meyvn: sure
[10:04] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: I need ten more people and a pony, but I suspect I should tell mdz that, not you.
[10:04] <dholbach> it's not a real agenda item, but I'd like to thank everybody who was involved in reviewing patches for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews - it's been working out great and we had a lot of community contributed patches and uploads in the last few weeks
[10:04] <soren> Mithrandir: *G*
[10:04] <cjwatson> we don't have a lot of feature-rescuing resource this time round, largely due to projects like Mithrandir's ;-)
[10:05] <dholbach> (of course a reminder to all of you who still have patches unreviewed in their inbox ;-))
[10:05] <cjwatson> but something can probably be scrounged up if need be
[10:05] <tkamppeter> I have bad news, unfortunately.
[10:05] <kylem> we really should've gone to visit the pony when we were in london.
[10:05] <cjwatson> dholbach: *blush*. We have a reviewers meeting at the end of this one.
[10:05] <calc> btw i think that OOo 2.3 m221 is about to actually finish compiling the first time all the way through :)
[10:05] <pitti> dholbach: if there was a way to get a list of outstanding things...
[10:05] <calc> then i just need to update all the patches for ubuntu, etc, heh
[10:05] <pitti> calc: yay!
[10:05] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: oh?
[10:05] <cjwatson> calc: excellent
[10:05] <tkamppeter> It is about printerdrake.
[10:06] <cjwatson> printerdrake is not on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy this time round
[10:06] <tkamppeter>  found a volunteer some weeks ago, and today he told me that he has not enough time and gave up.
[10:06] <dholbach> pitti: bugs assigned to yourself should be easy enough to 'filter out', especially bugs assigned to you with patches attached?
[10:06] <cjwatson> it's a target of opportunity, but if it doesn't work out, it's not a blocker for gutsy
[10:06] <cjwatson> sorry to hear that the volunteer dropped out though
[10:06] <pitti> dholbach: ah, 'patches attached' is good
[10:06] <fabb_laptop> just a quick reminder that i am going in holidays
[10:06] <tkamppeter> Will gutsy continue with the gnome-cups-manager then?
[10:07] <calc> so hopefully i'll have it in gutsy by end of next week, this weekend is pretty busy for me, being at the Four Seasons, heh
[10:07] <fabb_laptop> dholbach: if i have anything to sponsor, it might need to be reassigned
[10:07] <pitti> dholbach: you cannot search for bugs assigned to you *and* subscribed to a team (at least I don't know how)
[10:07] <dholbach> fabb_laptop: what do you mean?
[10:07] <dholbach> pitti: bugs to you with patches attached - does that help?
[10:07] <fabb_laptop> dholbach: i am going away in vacation for 3 weeks
[10:07] <amitk_> cjwatson: I too haven't had a whole lot of time to work on the power management spec for gutsy
[10:07] <fabb_laptop> dholbach: if you reassinged bugs to sponsor, it?s better to have them reassigned to somebody else
[10:07] <dholbach> fabb_laptop: alright
[10:08] <dholbach> fabb_laptop: thanks
[10:08] <fabb_laptop> dholbach: i can only see one.. #71504.. if i don?t get around it tomorrow, i will let you know
[10:08] <pitti> and, mind you, that we need to do dapper.2, too
[10:08] <pitti> that'll take quite a lot of resources
[10:09] <cjwatson> I hate all IRC clients
[10:09] <evand> screen + irssi
[10:09] <evand> never fails
[10:09] <kwwii> network fall down, go boom
[10:09] <bdmurray> evand: but is pwned by small animals right?
[10:09] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: pasted it on other ircnet since you didn't ping out there.
[10:09] <Mithrandir> evand: doesn't help when your DSL is the limiting factor.
[10:09] <dholbach> pitti: I'll file a bug on launchpad:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+bugs?field.assignee=pitti    is the same as     https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+bugs
[10:09] <soren> tkamppeter: What are the alternatives? system-config-printer?
[10:09] <evand> indeed on both
[10:09] <cjwatson> evand: this IS screen+irssi
[10:10] <evand> ah, well then
[10:10] <kylem> cjwatson, amnesiac?
[10:10] <cjwatson> meh *shrug*
[10:10] <tkamppeter> soren, perhaps, at least it is maintained. Perhaps I should sooner or later contribute concepts of printerdrake into it.
[10:10] <cjwatson> amitk_: power management is basically there for the benefit of mobile, although obviously the more that gets done the better ... I suspect it is ongoing
[10:11] <soren> tkamppeter: What's the difficulty with printerdrake anyway?
[10:11] <amitk_> UME part is going ok
[10:11] <cjwatson> amitk_: if you're short of time, the first thing to do is probably to try to set priorities
[10:11] <tkamppeter> One thing I already did is to extract the fuzzy-matching algorithm for printer makes and models of printerdrake into Foomatic. So one can use it from any program by calling a command line tool.
[10:12] <amitk_> but the generic Gutsy part is lagging. Powertop profiling, bugfixes to apps, laptop-testing group revival are on TODO
[10:12] <pitti> cjwatson: with our new task of dapper.2, we'll probably need to drop some specs anyway :/
[10:12] <cjwatson> pitti: dapper.2 is deliberately after feature freeze for that reason
[10:12] <tkamppeter> soren, the problem of printerdrake is that it uses a GUI based on a library from Mandriva and this library is not easy to port into a non-Mandriva distro (pitti has given up on that) and not of very high quality.
[10:12] <cjwatson> I know some planning has to be done, but I was very much hoping it wouldn't have to interact much
[10:12] <pitti> cjwatson: I'm afraid not, it should be released mid-August
[10:13] <cjwatson> pitti: I'm sure it was end of August in order to be between FF and beta. That's certainly what I discussed with mdz originally.
[10:13] <soren> tkamppeter: Ah, so we're yanking the good stuff out and shoving it into other components?
[10:13] <soren> tkamppeter: Makes sense, I gues.
[10:13] <amitk_> cjwatson: i guess prioritisation can happen offline with BenC and yourself
[10:13] <pitti> right, but that means we cannot wait until mid-August to start working on it; there is a lot of bugs we are supposed to tackle
[10:14] <tkamppeter> soren, probably this is the only solution if one does not find anyone to make a new GUI for printerdrake.
[10:14] <pitti> anyway, now that tribe3 is over, I'll look into the list and sort/assign it
[10:14] <soren> tkamppeter: Ah, *that* was what the volunteer was supposed to do?
[10:14] <cjwatson> amitk_: the spec is not fully written, which makes it difficult to do that sort of prioritisation; that should be the first priority
[10:14] <tkamppeter> Problem is that printerdrake is written in Perl and the Red Hat tool is written in Python. And I have never programmed in Python.
[10:15] <soren> tkamppeter: Ah.. And gnome-cups-manager is C. :)
[10:15] <dholbach> and c++ iirc
[10:15] <soren> dholbach: I haven't noticed any.
[10:15] <pitti> dholbach: no, it's gnome :)
[10:15] <tkamppeter> Yes, the volunteer had to write a new GUI.
[10:15] <cjwatson> 21:11 <amitk_> UME part is going ok
[10:16] <cjwatson> 21:11 <cjwatson> amitk_: if you're short of time, the first thing to do is probably to try to set priorities
[10:16] <pitti> well, g-c-m's GUI isn't too bad
[10:16] <tkamppeter> For me it is easier to patch something into the gnome-cups-manager, as with C I am familiar.
[10:16] <cjwatson> oops
[10:16] <cjwatson> amitk_: anyway, thanks, made a note to look into that
[10:17] <BenC> amitk_: we can discuss it more on tomorrow's call as well
[10:17] <amitk_> ok
[10:18] <soren> tkamppeter: If I were to decide, I'd prefer it going into system-config-printer. It seems to be less GNOME-centric than g-c-m, but g-c-m is surely an option, too.
[10:19] <tkamppeter> I also prefer to continue with system-config-printer, because it is maintained upstream. The GNOME tool has no upstream maintainer any more.
[10:20] <soren> tkamppeter: Oh dear.
[10:20] <tkamppeter> Less GNOME-centric is also good, as we have also Xubuntu.
[10:20] <soren> tkamppeter: Precisely. I belive they use s-c-p now.
[10:20] <pitti> (which already uses s-c-p, and it's in main)
[10:20] <soren> pitti: alright.
[10:21] <cjwatson> soren: since it sounds like you're interested, can you follow this up with Till and figure out what practical actions we can take for gutsy, if any? :-)
[10:21] <tkamppeter> So then we should also go for s-c-p in Ubuntu/Edubuntu, so that we do not need to maintain two tools.
[10:22] <soren> tkamppeter: I agree. I've glanced at it once, and it looks sensible, too.
[10:22] <soren> cjwatson: Um.. I guess I can squeeze it in somewhere.
[10:23] <tkamppeter> soren, what do you mean with "squeeze it in", your work time or the space on the Ubuntu CDs?
[10:23] <soren> tkamppeter: The former.
[10:24] <cjwatson> ACTION: soren and tkamppeter to discuss feasibility of system-config-printer in Ubuntu and come up with a plan
[10:24] <dendrobates> the sever group will be lucky to get it's own work done before the freeze.
[10:24] <pitti> it basically has a similar problem: rather horrible UI
[10:24] <cjwatson> dendrobates: low priority
[10:24] <cjwatson> I mean this, for soren ...
[10:25] <dendrobates> cjwatson: thanks
[10:25] <cjwatson> ok, no actions from the previous meeting AFAIK
[10:25] <cjwatson> release readiness update
[10:26] <cjwatson> well done to Hobbsee and pitti on tribe-3
[10:26] <soren> \o/
[10:26] <pitti> thanks
[10:26] <soren> Go Hobbsee and pitti!
[10:26] <pitti> cjwatson: I didn't prepare a special report
[10:26] <dholbach> congratulations Hobbsee and pitti!
[10:26] <cjwatson> there are a number of bugs which need to be followed up; I trust they're all suitably milestoned?
[10:26] <pitti> but we have a lot of bugs
[10:26] <pitti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone:Alist=471
[10:26] <pitti> so please start fixing them early
[10:26] <pitti> the most nasty one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/126964 ATM
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126964 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy livefs causes random hangs or modprobe crashes" [Critical,New]
[10:27] <kwwii> just so that everyone knows, there is a lot of talk about getting a desktop wallpaper for Gutsy after all
[10:27] <pitti> which is not entirely understood yet, but ogra tracked it down pretty well already
[10:27] <asac> oh ... so couldn't fix that for release ... damn
[10:27] <pkl_> I'm currently looking into that bug also.
[10:27] <cjwatson> kwwii: artwork landing for feature freeze? :-)
[10:28] <kwwii> cjwatson: well, until now their is no official order for it, but I can imagine that that one piece will be coming in more towards the end of the deadlines if it all
[10:28] <cjwatson> evand and I have made a little bit of headway on the actual *reason* for bug 122645 as well as a workarround, I think
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[10:28] <evand> indeed
[10:28] <kwwii> cjwatson: no worries with other parts, they are all smaller updates
[10:28] <cjwatson> no progress on the gfxboot thing yet :(
[10:29] <cjwatson> pitti: a good few of those are In Progress, which is encouraging
[10:30] <cjwatson> but yes, if you get bored with your feature work and want a change, a bug is as good as a rest

[10:30] <soren> pitti: Come on, you love reviewing my stuff.
[10:30] <cjwatson> pitti: says the man who's doing pretty well judging by https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[10:31] <ajmitch> soren: it may require bribes
[10:31] <cjwatson> ok, is there any other business for this meeting?
[10:31] <pitti> I guess I'll just get off IRC for a day :)
[10:32] <cjwatson> going once
[10:32] <cjwatson> going twice
[10:33] <cjwatson> all right, adjourned; those involved in code review please stay behind to go over the review list
[10:33] <soren> See you tomorrow, people!
[10:33] <bryce> cya everyone :-)
[10:33] <kwwii> w00t, /me digz shrt m33tings
[10:33] <mathiaz> thks. cya
[10:33] <fabb_laptop> cya everybody
[10:33] <dendrobates> byeee
[10:33] <amitk> bye
[10:33] <evand> bye
[10:33] <heno> pitti: IRC-free days is actually a good suggestion (not all at once though :) )
[10:33] <cjwatson> dholbach: over to you
[10:33] <dholbach> alright... I'm quite happy with how https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews works out and the list looks quite good
[10:33] <cjwatson> who have we got still here?
[10:34] <dholbach> seb128 agreed to help with the assigning and triaging of them, so it should continue to work out when I'm at UbuntuLive and on holidays
[10:34] <dholbach> of course, if somebody wants to help out with triaging and assigning them, that'd be very nice
[10:34] <keescook> i'm still here.
[10:34] <asac> me
[10:34] <mathiaz> me
[10:34] <cjwatson> me
[10:34] <dholbach> wow!
[10:34] <dholbach> looks like a robust and solid process then!
[10:34] <dholbach> thanks a lot :-)
[10:35] <cjwatson> well, I'm here, but have sucked at reviewing to date
[10:35] <dholbach> ubuntu-universe-sponsors looks very good
[10:35] <cjwatson> I think the only one currently assigned to me is the grub merge, which I can still do - just too hard to do at the sprint
[10:35] <dholbach> ubuntu-main-sponsors should all be assigned if appropriate, so some people will need to look into their inboxes once they're back from conferences and all
[10:35] <dholbach> yeah
[10:36] <dholbach> also the initramfs-tools merge seemed quite big, which I assigned to BenC
[10:36] <cjwatson> is there any view of the list that lets us see all the assignees on one page?
[10:36] <dholbach> unfortunately not
[10:37] <dholbach> I think we could get it generated using python-lp-bugs
[10:37] <dholbach> I could set that up tomorrow
[10:37] <BenC> initramfs-tools is tricky, but I'll get to it tomorrow
[10:37] <cjwatson> dholbach: sounds good
[10:37] <dholbach> excellent - I'll send out a mail about that
[10:37] <cjwatson> dholbach: do you have any that you know are in need of an assignee at the moment?
[10:38] <dholbach> no, I think I got all covered that look 'good enough'
[10:38] <cjwatson> we'll save going down the full list until we have an easy view; I don't feel like opening 20-odd tabs
[10:38] <cjwatson> pitti: I can take bug 80513 off you if you like, as I touch -meta often enough anyway
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80513 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-meta does not include GPL in source tarball" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80513
[10:38] <dholbach> I'll prod people about outstanding reviews in a week (so before I leave for holidays)
[10:38] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, good
[10:38] <dholbach> I feel the same way - I'll let you all know about an aggregated patch bugs list
[10:39] <cjwatson> ok then
[10:39] <cjwatson> ACTION: dholbach to prepare automatic list of review bugs with assignees
[10:40] <cjwatson> if that's all, then I guess we're done here too
[10:40] <dholbach> thanks a lot for helping out with that - I'm fairly confident, we'll cope quite well with incoming patches with that process soon enough
[10:40] <pitti> yeah, biggest problem is still that it is utterly hard to get a personal todo list
[10:41] <dholbach> pitti: let's see what solution I can come up with tomorrow - I'm happy to get your input on that
[10:41] <cjwatson> turns out I only have six bugs assigned to me with patches attached, so that's OK, but I can't see everyone else's
[10:41] <cjwatson> (easily)
[10:41] <Meyvn> i have some questions when you're done
[10:41] <dholbach> Meyvn: let's move to #ubuntu-devel, if you don't mind, so we can wrap up the meeting?
[10:42] <Meyvn> dholbach: sure
[10:42] <dholbach> super
[10:42] <pitti> NB that bugs like bug 126503 probably don't have a patch attached
[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126503 in laptop-detect "please sync laptop-detect 0.13.2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126503
[10:43] <dholbach> pitti: I'll make sure to aggregate them
[10:43] <dholbach> cjwatson: shall we adjourn?
[10:43] <cjwatson> let's
[10:44] <cjwatson> *gavel*
[10:44] <dholbach> have a nice evening/day - see you tomorrow :)
[10:44] <cjwatson> thanks for all your time this evening
[10:44] <keescook> cool, cya everyone.  :)
[10:45] <pitti> bye al
[10:45] <asac> have a nice evening
[10:45] <BenC> bye all!