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[15:38] <czajkowski> bah there is no sno no rain no bad weather and yet my plane is delayed
[15:40] <slashbel> half the aer lingus flights i have taken were delayed by a ‘faulty tea urn’ → cannot take off without tea
[15:40] <czajkowski> heh
[15:40] <czajkowski> and joy the USA army are in shannon
[15:40] <czajkowski> :/
[15:40] <czajkowski> really hate seeing the amry in here
[15:44] <slashbel> are they securing Limerick?
[15:45] <czajkowski> :(
[15:57] <ebel> slashbel: it was probably an engine problem, but they don't want to alarm passengers
[15:58] <ebel> czajkowski: apparently the soviets used to use shannon back in the day asawell (sell to both sides!). used to spook out the odd american tourist back in the day


[05:07] <mike602> What's good my Ubuntu GNOME users? :)
[05:08] <mike602> Love my Ubuntu GNOME 16.04.1 so far. Nothing beats GNOME in my opinion lol
[05:08] <mike602> any devs in here? going to support by donnating some money when I get paid :)
[09:15] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, is libmutter-0-0 really conflicting with the old libmutter0x packages?
[09:52] <jbicha> ricotz: I don't know, it's inherited from Debian but the conflicts doesn't cause any problems, right?
[09:52] <ricotz> jbicha, the point of those library renaming is to have it parallel installable
[09:55] <ricotz> also why not libmutter-0-dev?
[09:57] <ricotz> (I didnt have a close look at it just judging from the message of the renaming git-commit)
[09:59] <jbicha> ok, I'll drop the conflicts/replaces
[10:09] <jbicha> ricotz: and I'll rename it to libmutter-0-dev
[10:13] <jbicha> ooh, gvfs 1.30 migrated
[10:24] <ricotz> jbicha, validate the mutter-common dep
[10:25] <ricotz> would be great if libmutter-0-* can be installed in parallel to current/older one
[10:26] <jbicha> ricotz: what do you mean validate? also I just uploaded mutter to zesty
[10:27] <ricotz> jbicha, no hard dependency
[10:27] <ricotz> hard-versioned
[10:28] <jbicha> that's not going to help libmutter0i, right?
[10:29] <ricotz> jbicha, no, tweaking it there to ">=" might be useful
[10:29] <jbicha> but it's too late to tweak libmutter0i in zesty since I already uploaded the new mutter
[10:29] <ricotz> you mean you uploaded 3.23.x to zesty?
[10:29] <jbicha> yes
[10:29] <ricotz> oh
[10:29] <ricotz> I see
[10:31] <jbicha> I mean you could build a mutter 3.22 for yourself if you want that
[10:42] <jbicha> hmm, somehow gvfs's autopkgtests managed to pass today
[10:45] <ricotz> jbicha, I know, of course binaries without source package will go away anyway
[10:46] <ricotz> still this possibility make it far easier to backport newer mutter versions
[10:50] <jbicha> ok, I changed the dep to >= in my local branch, will wait for new version to upload
[10:50] <jbicha> thanks for the suggestions!
[20:14] <jbicha> ricotz: I think I'll go ahead and update gobject-introspection in zesty now since it's blocking the gjs autopkgtests which is blocking gnome-shell
[20:19] <hell__> hello, can someone help me i have a porblem with libinput
[20:31] <ricotz> jbicha, nice :)
[20:33] <jbicha> got tired of waiting for Laney for it
[20:33] <jbicha> for some reason, he's got in the habit of updating dev versions of only glib2.0
[20:45] <jbicha> ricotz: the build tests fail on some arches https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gobject-introspection/1.51.3-0ubuntu1
[20:55] <jbicha> I hope I didn't break other builds because of that
[21:02] <ricotz> jbicha, did you made a test build in ppa?
[21:02] <jbicha> I tested locally (amd64), didn't think it might break on other arches
[21:02] <ricotz> this looks more system related
[21:03] <jbicha> we could ask in a channel with more devs?
[21:03] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/red/+sourcepub/7491606/+listing-archive-extra
[21:04] <ricotz> let's see if this is reproducible
[21:05] <ricotz> this looks like a fuzzy problem
[21:10] <ricotz> jbicha, get those retried
[21:14] <jbicha> I retried ppc64el and armhf before I called you, but I'll try again :)
[21:25] <ricotz> jbicha, armhf needs some more convincing ;)
[21:26] <ricotz> btw you forgot to bump the glib2.0 requirement
[21:30] <jbicha> thanks!
[21:31] <jbicha> I hoped it was just one of those retry-until-it-works test failures


[04:20] <mup> Bug #1941028 opened: make syncdb can't find database command <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1941028>
[07:11] <mup> Bug #1941050 opened: When deploying a machine as LXD host, a version higher than 4.0 should be installed <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <MAAS 3.0:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1941050>
[07:17] <mup> Bug #1941050 changed: When deploying a machine as LXD host, a version higher than 4.0 should be installed <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <MAAS 3.0:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1941050>
[07:20] <mup> Bug #1941050 opened: When deploying a machine as LXD host, a version higher than 4.0 should be installed <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <MAAS 3.0:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1941050>


[01:39] <Tyreal> could someone help me with a sound issue with skype
[14:07] <mig_> I added some tiling keybindings to lubuntu and they work fairly well, only there's some applications which don't tile like they should.. any ideas as to why and how to solve?
[14:10] <mig_> i guess maybe the problem is limited to the terminal


[01:21] <diddledan> omg. I just discovered that the Tamagotchi pet thingies used a 6502 chip
[01:22] <diddledan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502
[01:24] <daftykins> :D
[01:25] <daftykins> aren't fads so weird?
[01:25] <diddledan> aye
[01:25] <diddledan> I only ever had one Tamagotchi. it died.
[01:26] <daftykins> did no kind soul show you you could start over?
[01:26] <diddledan> lol
[01:47] <m0nkey_> diddledan, had to get this.. https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e718/
[01:47] <m0nkey_> I also got this (for free) https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e72e/
[01:49] <diddledan> lol, nice
[01:49] <daftykins> hmm i'd fancy something other than black
[01:49] <m0nkey_> I'm going to wear that t-shirt on our casual Friday
[01:50] <m0nkey_> I did consider this
[01:50] <m0nkey_> https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f3cd/
[01:51] <m0nkey_> But it seems to be a tad passive aggressive which wouldn't go down well.
[01:53] <daftykins> ah yes, i see what you mean
[02:01] <m0nkey_> But that's how it feels sometimes
[02:02] <daftykins> oh totally :>
[02:40] <diddledan> my ding a ling don't ding
[03:05] <daftykins> diddledan: surface pro 4 #2 has to go back to the doctor already!
[03:05] <daftykins> they're really not having any luck with these things
[03:06] <diddledan> damn, what did you do to it?
[03:06] <daftykins> haha
[03:06] <daftykins> hey i'm wearing m0nkey_'s new shirt to them
[03:20] <daftykins> i'm becoming great at packaging at this point
[03:51] <daftykins> whoops killed irssi.
[03:51] <daftykins> aaaand bed! have a good week all o/
[03:52] <diddledan> nn
[04:31] <mapito> hi
[07:00] <MooDoo> morning al
[07:10] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there, it's a monday
[07:12] <MooDoo> mondays suck....actually they are not too bad, but at the moment they suck
[07:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 SuperMatt
[08:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ow am ya me owld mucka
[08:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: cracking mate.....you?
[08:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: well it's Monday and I'm awake
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: you can do it :D
[08:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: should be to bad today just had a crappy nights sleep which doesn't help :)
[08:40] <diplo> Morning all
[08:41] <zmoylan-pi> my sleep monitor says i got 3 hours sleep last night... not the most accurate i reckon 4ish
[08:47] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't be able to function on that little sleep
[08:49] <zmoylan-pi> it makes it very hard to read as you can't keep up your concentration for long
[08:54] <SuperMatt> I actually feel very tired right now, and I must have got something close to 6 hours
[08:54] <SuperMatt> having said that, I no recall the cat woke me up a few times last night
[08:55] <zmoylan-pi> that's your cats job... :-)
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> having to get up at 3am to go downstairs and confiscate the marble the cat has found and is hitting in long hall from one end to the other bouncing of glass door...
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> and then an hour later having to confiscate her second marble...
[09:00] <davmor2> so I re-watch the last witch hunter last night and during the credits it plays this music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQbtXI41qY it is one of those slowed down remixes of a classic but thought you might like it here :)
[09:01] <zmoylan-pi> that's not too shabby... :-)
[09:06] <SuperMatt> zmoylan-pi: my cat has a problem with his food - to the point where he couldn't breath and had to be confiscated (willingly) by his original owners
[09:07] <SuperMatt> now we've adopted him, he still have a lot of bad habbits
[09:07] <SuperMatt> mostly waking me up to ask for food
[09:07] <SuperMatt> though these days he's getting better
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> we have a bunch of feral kitties as well as 2 spoiled pampered moggies who all have their issues... :-)
[09:09] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/gallery/OGN4dqI
[09:09] <SuperMatt> this is his before and after
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Wear Purple for Peace Day! 😃
[09:10] <SuperMatt> love love peace peace
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> i thought it was wear purple and be roman emperor day?!
[09:10] <SuperMatt> ssshhh, don't tell everyone your motives are slightly more megalomaniacal
[09:11]  * zmoylan-pi tells the army to withdraw to their starting positions... :-P
[09:12] <SuperMatt> good idea
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> and practice their singing out of key annoying tactics
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> will take them a while to get to the level of the egyptians.. :-P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yGJYryj-QY
[09:18] <JamesTait> Wow, that's special.
[09:18] <zmoylan-pi> you don't just not practice to be that bad... that takes effort... and in front of *putin*...
[09:19] <JamesTait> It sounds like sampled airhorns.
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> one of the few nut jobs on the planet who you try not to tick off personally
[09:20] <JamesTait> See https://youtu.be/mVHJ6OwTYWc for comparison.
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, that'd be a great sound for an alarm call...
[09:25] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOxeKA2WNE and then the real McCoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wA28BYbOME and then the real version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABd-cCcIxk
[09:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: you might like this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQbtXI41qY
[09:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: one of those slowed down classics
[09:35] <JamesTait> Nah, I'm not feeling that.
[09:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: yeah but in an hour or so you'll realise that the only song in you head it paint it black ;)
[09:43] <JamesTait> davmor2, already happened. 😉
[09:44] <davmor2> see
[10:55] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: how ever it does now explain why he keeps flying fighter jets into turkey he's trying to find a way to pay back the Egyptians for their kindness ;)
[12:51] <Switches> Afternoon all, I need more coffee..
[12:51] <selinuxium> Hi peeps. I always need more coffee....
[12:51] <Oli> Yeah "More coffee needed" could be the /topic here
[12:52] <Switches> Should be yeah
[12:52] <Oli>  /s/could/should
[12:52] <Oli> Indeed. Lagging one cuppa behind, as usual.
[12:54] <Switches> I'm about 3 mugs behind what I usually had by now lol
[12:54] <Switches> Been playing to much with Unity 8
[12:55] <Switches> It's delaying my coffee drinking!
[12:56] <selinuxium__> Wow... my network is really stable today...
[12:58] <selinuxium> Grr..
[12:58] <Switches> welcome back
[13:00] <davmor2> selinuxium: stable you say......My irony senses are tingling
[13:00] <selinuxium> Indeed... Thinking of what server to bounce onto to stop this stupidity..
[13:01] <Switches> lol timely exit
[13:01] <selinuxium> Trying to ask a question with all this crap going on..
[13:01] <selinuxium> That was a stale one falling off...
[13:01] <davmor2> selinuxium: well if you will join a server call stupidity then you only have yourself to blame
[13:02] <selinuxium> :P
[13:02] <selinuxium> Starting to think the webchat on freenode will at least not kick me...
[13:02] <selinuxium> If it happens again...
[13:03]  * davmor2 kicks selinuxium instead
[13:03] <davmor2> selinuxium: wonder why you are having issues
[13:04] <selinuxium> Any roads... I have never gone about joining an Ubuntu box to an AD server before... I am aware there are multiple ways of doing so... Has anyone here done so?
[13:04] <Myrtti> ping timeout is a ping timeout
[13:04] <Myrtti> if the connection has a glitch, there isn't much to not make the the server kick the connection
[13:04] <selinuxium> The connection here has been a bag of Sh*t since we changed provider...
[13:04] <Myrtti> yeah :-(
[13:05] <Switches> Sorry selinuxium never tried that either tbh
[13:05] <selinuxium> I am going through the process of a full review... But this takes time..
[13:05] <selinuxium> Basically, our dirty internet connection is bad... The rest of the production network is fine..
[13:06] <selinuxium> Firewall throws internet traffic out via dirty connection on bad ADSL
[13:06] <selinuxium> So unless I completely reconfigue the network here...
[13:07] <selinuxium> Any one else played with AD integration?
[13:08] <davmor2> selinuxium: I haven't but I believe that likewise is your friend in this
[13:10] <davmor2> selinuxium: or just samba apparently https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba-ad-integration.html
[13:14] <selinuxium> davmor2: Sorry, I am sure you were saying something...
[13:14] <selinuxium> Actually resorted to webchat..
[13:15] <davmor2> selinuxium: not really just saying I haven't but linked you to doing it in samba  there was an app called likewise too but that seems to of disappeared
[13:16] <selinuxium> Thanks davmor2 . Yeah... I have seen a few ways, and that likewise has become something else...
[13:17] <selinuxium> Maybe I should just do the smb thing instead..
[13:18] <davmor2> selinuxium: http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-join-an-ubuntu-desktop-into-an-active-directory-domain/
[13:19] <davmor2> selinuxium: powerbroker
[13:23] <selinuxium> Cheers, I will take a look. :)
[13:59] <ging> should the urls that apt-get pulls also work in a webbrowser? or does something go on with the browser header so the repository knows when it's hit by package manger rather than a webbrowser?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> ging: it should just work
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> if you can get apt to display the full URLs ;)
[14:01] <ging> MartijnVdS: they are coming from a proxy log
[14:02] <ging> i am being told that something is wrong with my apt config and it's trying to request invalid urls
[14:03] <ging> but it's a stanard apt setup and was find will it was moved to a new proxy
[14:27] <ging> from what i can tell apt makes a request for Sources or Packages with no file extention and it gets it, but if you go in a browser you get a 404
[14:28] <davmor2> ging: might be better to try wget over the browser maybe
[14:29] <ging> wget is the same
[14:29] <ging> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/universe/binary-amd64/Packages
[14:29] <ging> that gets a 404
[14:29] <ging> you need to add .gz or .bz2
[14:30] <ging> but apt seems to request it without an extention and normally gets it
[14:30] <ging> unless the proxy is stripping out the ext
[14:31] <ging> is there a way to get apt to display the full url it's requesting?
[14:31] <davmor2> ging: apt probably has the extension it wants built in so doesn't need to show it
[14:31] <davmor2> ging: I did something similar to zsync iso's
[16:00] <Myrtti> hm
[16:01] <Myrtti> yay, my connection didn't die!
[16:01] <Seeker`> \o/
[17:44] <Switches> I need coffee.
[18:13] <Switches> 174 twitters to follow for oscon.... no thanks thats way to much lol
[20:23] <sebsebseb>
[20:44] <phablet> Hello hello!
[20:45]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[20:45] <popey_> :D
[20:46] <popey> ^ me on a tablet
[20:47] <popey> wonder if it will time out
[20:47]  * zmoylan-pi suspects popey needs more tablets... :-P
[20:47] <popey> heh
[20:49]  * m0nkey_ had to fix the dishwasher
[20:50] <m0nkey_> Three shards of glass and bits of plastic taken out of the impeller. No more grinding sound.
[20:50] <daftykins> m0nkey_: how serious?
[20:50] <daftykins> erk
[20:50] <m0nkey_> The glass found me first


[02:02] <mup> Bug #2031842 opened: 3.4-next hits more race conditions than 3.3 - The MAAS server gave an unexpected response: 502 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2031842>


[00:30] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: admins get those notices. I got one too. knome resigned from that team and made Xubuntu team the admins.
[08:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i fixed that bug myself by submitting an icon to florian ;)
[08:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: and yes, the xubuntu-art team seems kinda deprecated :)
[08:20] <ochosi> but in case you wanna revive that team feel free to kick me in
[10:24] <mr_pouit> hoy
[10:25] <mr_pouit> ochosi: mmh, but there's no commit about a new icon in timer-plugin (even the recent 0.6.2 release stil uses gtk-paste…)
[10:25] <mr_pouit> ok, I don't really care about whether a special team is needed or not, so it can stay like that
[16:23] <GridCube> good evening
[16:24] <GridCube> ochosi can i get the new greybird on 10.04?
[16:24] <GridCube> or need to try it on 11.04?
[17:34] <GridCube> it does not look awesome on 10.04
[18:25] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hm, strange, gotta check that again then. guess i mixed it up with some other panel-plugin
[18:26] <ochosi> GridCube: the murrine version in 10.04 is too old for greybird
[18:26] <ochosi> GridCube: if you install a newer version from some ppa it will work
[18:26] <ochosi> GridCube: we plan to provide a newer version in the shimmer ppa, hopefully that'll happen soonish
[18:27] <GridCube> :)
[18:27] <GridCube> i tried it on my vbox
[18:27] <GridCube> it looks pretty nice
[18:27] <GridCube> :D i really like the tiny arrows
[18:39] <GridCube> :D updating murrine did it ochosi
[18:40] <GridCube> D:
[22:52] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: We are keeping Synaptic Package Manager in Xubuntu, aren't we? I would prefer it over software center, TBH
[23:34] <mr_pouit> there's already software-center in the default install
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I know, does that mean we also lose synaptic?
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has also decided to not include it anymore, by default.
[23:36] <charlie-tca> Software Center has its share of broken, though.
[23:38] <mr_pouit> nope, we still have both
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Great! Puts my mind at ease then. Thank you
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. I am told gtk2 will be gone in 12.04
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu developers will not maintain anything gtk2 at that time
[23:41] <charlie-tca> Of course, that doesn't mean we can not maintain what we need, too.
[23:51] <mr_pouit> yeah, I discussed about that with didrocks
[23:52] <mr_pouit> indicators will go gtk3-only as well, so we'll have to either stop using them, or port some wrappers for gtk3 in the panel
[23:56] <charlie-tca> At least will be be able to decide down the road though


[01:52] <ScottL> jono, just to let you know that i should start making the team report for ubuntu studio starting in the next couple of weeks (i've got commitments in the queue till then)
[01:54] <jono> ScottL, sweeet!
[01:57] <akgraner> woo who finally got all my emails answered!!!
[01:57] <akgraner> \o/ happy dance time
[02:11] <akgraner> well that happiness was short lived :-/
[02:46] <nhandler> ScottL: That sounds great (Re: Team Reports). Let me know if you need any help setting them up
[02:47] <akgraner> ScottL, nhandler is the go to guru for all things team reports related!
[03:10] <ScottL> groovy, thanks nhandler , i've already perused the wiki pages, when i get closer to being ready to begin i'll read them again in detail and then ask as i need help
[03:10] <ScottL> i'll also spend some time ready other's reports to get a feel as well
[03:13] <nhandler> ScottL: Keep in mind, the format of the actual report is pretty much up to you (there are a few basic stylistic guidelines that I should probably document, but I take care of making changes for that when necessary). You will see many different styles of reporting
[03:21] <ScottL> nhandler, i like the loose format, i tend to include some subtle humour in my writing :)
[03:22] <nhandler> ScottL: I'm sure that will make the report even more enjoyable to read :)
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning!
[06:50] <jussi> good morning dholbach
[06:51] <jussi> dholbach: Ive a question, perhaps you know the answer. why do we have this? http://www.canonical.com/contributors (no, Im not trying to startt a flamewar, just wondering).
[06:51] <dholbach> hi jussi
[06:53] <dholbach> http://www.canonical.com/contributors/faq
[06:53] <dholbach> I don't have a better answer than this
[06:55] <jussi> curious. perhaps I am missing something here, but if the contributions are open source licensed (as they should be, no?) would that not make this a moot point?
[06:57] <dholbach> this is about copyright
[06:58] <dholbach> but I'm not a lawyer and I can't explain the threat scenario explicitly
[06:58] <dholbach> and I have a Packaging Training session to give
[06:58] <dholbach> if you have more questions, you could mail Canonical Legal or the email address that is posted on that page
[06:58] <jussi> ok, I dont understand to be honest, but Im sure someone will explain one day :)
[06:58] <jussi> dholbach: ok, thanks for your time, its appreciated
[06:58] <dholbach> :)
[06:58] <dholbach> hey dpm
[06:59] <dpm> heya dholbach :)
[06:59] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:03] <dholbach> hola ara!
[07:03] <ara> morning dholbach, all
[07:05]  * kim0 waves morning to everyone
[07:05] <dpm> hey ara, hey kim0
[09:01] <sense> good morning
[09:02] <dpm> morning sense
[09:06] <AlanBell> jussi: basically if someone sues Canonical (or a Canonical customer - they get indemnification), or rips off the code, then Canonical can kick ass all by themselves without hunting down every contributor
[09:22] <ara> dholbach, did you see my email about the iso testing hall of fame modifications?
[09:22] <dholbach> ara: yes
[09:22] <dholbach> ara: but I have heaps of other stuff to do for a3
[09:23] <dholbach> ara: I'll do my best to squeeze it still in
[09:23] <ara> dholbach, OK, thanks!
[09:23] <ara> dholbach, whenever you can
[09:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:26] <ara> czajkowski, morning
[09:26] <czajkowski> ara: hey
[09:32] <dholbach> hey czajkowski, hola randa
[09:33] <randa> hi dholbach
[09:33] <czajkowski> howdy folks
[09:33] <czajkowski> :)
[09:33] <randa> hi czajkowski
[09:34] <czajkowski> randa: any more crazy songs in the head today :)
[09:34] <randa> haha no, czajkowski not today
[09:34] <czajkowski> not yet :)
[09:34] <randa> but i can think of some
[09:34] <randa> lol
[09:38] <huats> morning
[10:07] <AlanBell> morning all, I am looking for comments on this http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uuk/installfest2.pdf in particular the text in the middle
[10:10] <popey> AlanBell: adobe reader on windows says "There was an error processing a page. The page contents object has the wrong type."
[10:10] <popey> click OK and I see a blank page
[10:10] <AlanBell> oh, that is a fail
[10:10] <czajkowski> ara: pretty page
[10:10] <popey> reloading fixes it
[10:10] <czajkowski> bah
[10:10] <czajkowski> AlanBell:
[10:10] <AlanBell> popey: fixes it as in you see the page?
[10:10] <popey> yes
[10:11] <AlanBell> just a bad download perhaps?
[10:11] <popey> dunno
[10:11] <popey> hey ho
[10:11] <popey> nice doc
[10:11] <popey> not sure about the wording in the middle :)
[10:11] <AlanBell> knocked it up in half an hour when I saw MichealH's effort
[10:12] <popey> i really like it
[10:12] <AlanBell> if we can get a reasonable number of installfests going I will print these up properly and send them out to people
[10:13] <czajkowski> AlanBell: tis really nice, but like I said last night, I think making it a bit more generic might be wise
[10:13] <AlanBell> will be on 100gsm regular matt paper so they can just overprint the venue and such with a normal laser printer
[10:13] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I am not bothered about that, would rather make it good.
[10:14] <popey> people can edit it :)
[10:14] <czajkowski> not if it's printed...
[10:15] <huats> AlanBell, nice page !
[10:16] <popey> i dont think a generic poster works as well
[10:16] <popey> i mean, to be completely generic you could send out blank pieces of paper and people could fill the whole thing in :)
[10:17] <czajkowski> :) true,
[10:17] <czajkowski> just by putting in the animal in the middle ties it with "that" release, I think the poster itself is very snazzy
[10:31] <czajkowski> meego conference happening in Dublin :D
[10:38] <AlanBell> czajkowski but just look at his little face, youcouldn't want me to remove him!
[10:39] <czajkowski> :)
[10:51] <AlanBell> popey so what would you do to the wording?
[10:53] <popey> the two things that jump out are that we're suggesting wiping machines - which i can understand - dont want to set expectation that we wont wipe them :)
[10:54] <popey> and cant remember the second thing..
[10:54] <popey> i like everything else about it though :)
[14:23] <jcastro> whew
[14:23] <jcastro> shady upgrade this morning
[14:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:56] <akgraner> czajkowski, howdy
[14:56] <randa> jcastro: ping
[15:08] <jussi> I win and you all lose!!!
[15:08] <jussi> I HAS INTERNETS!!!
[16:02] <dholbach> brb
[16:03] <nigelb> oh, jcastro is alive
[16:15]  * nigelb hugs paultag :)
[16:15] <nigelb> Thank you :)
[16:16] <paultag> nigelb: humm?
[16:16] <paultag> nigelb: for what?
[16:16] <nigelb> paultag: for doing what I asked you y'day :)
[16:16] <paultag> Oh yes, dur  :)
[16:16] <paultag> nigelb: it's np
[16:16] <nigelb> I'll return the favor today
[16:16] <paultag> thanks :)
[16:17] <paultag> I just uploaded a new fluxbox version to my PPA to test
[16:17] <paultag> Got it from a dfsg hack on a 2 year old release to a perfect 3.0 quilt source package off the git tree
[16:17] <jcastro> jono: I am back
[16:18] <nigelb> oh noes, mail flood
[16:18] <jcastro> more like delete flood, heh
[16:19] <nigelb> haha
[16:19] <nigelb> how was/is debconf?
[16:19] <jcastro> it was great
[16:19] <nigelb> and I'm pretty inspite of the whole RH vs canonical spat, guadec would have been awesome :)
[16:19] <nigelb> *pretty sure
[16:20] <jcastro> there was no spat at GUADEC
[16:20] <maco> just on the intertubes?
[16:20] <jcastro> it was the outside internet that was exploding
[16:21] <nigelb> gah, shoulda known
[16:21] <jcastro> hi dholbach
[16:25] <dholbach> hi jcastro
[16:26] <jono> jcastro, great to have you back :)
[16:27] <jcastro> which one of you has ubuntu facebook group powers?
[16:27] <jcastro> jono: it's good to be back
[16:27] <jcastro> if I never go to NYC again I will be happy
[16:28] <paultag> +1
[16:28] <jcastro> If you think London is expensive you should see NYC
[16:28] <paultag> Too many Yankee's fans
[16:28] <jono> hehe
[16:30] <jcastro> it's just a bit 150% for me, suburbs ftw.
[16:33] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:35] <nigelb> jcastro: jono does have powers there
[16:35] <dpm> hey jcastro, welcome back!
[16:35] <jcastro> hi dpm, how did the translations talk at guadec go?
[16:36] <jono> heh
[16:36] <jcastro> jono, if you can facebook this now that it's public it would be swell, they have a built in fb button on there: http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com/
[16:37] <popey> :)
[16:37] <dpm> jcastro, it went well. Being the last talk there wasn't much attendance, but danilo focused the talk not only in translations but also how Launchpad can be used to interact with other communities, so most of the questions at the end were on bugs
[16:37] <jcastro> popey: I see you're on board
[16:37] <popey> yup
[16:37] <jcastro> I am out of votes but you're on my  list
[16:37] <popey> heh
[16:38] <jono> jcastro, will do
[16:38] <jcastro> also, on unity, if you hit alt-f (or any shortcut key to get to a menu), does it get rendered in the app window instead of up in the menu bar like it should be?
[16:38] <czajkowski> jcastro: I like SE but it's a large PITA to login
[16:39] <jcastro> yeah. :-/
[16:39] <czajkowski> I've yet to get my login working
[16:39] <czajkowski> :(
[16:39] <paultag> it uses openid czajkowski
[16:39] <czajkowski> tried my google ac, my wp ac
[16:39] <jcastro> launchpad.net/~jorge is all I used
[16:39] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[16:39] <popey> jcastro: they had serious issues with logons
[16:39] <popey> at the start
[16:40] <czajkowski> I'll try launchpad.net/~czajkowski so
[16:40] <paultag> +1 jcastro
[16:40] <paultag> I just logged in with ~paultag
[16:41] <jcastro> nhandler: nice work on UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Organisation
[16:42] <jcastro> some debconf folks asked if they would be welcome doing sessions and I see you've added mailing the derivatives list already. <3
[16:42] <dholbach> jcastro: I did that :-P
[16:42] <jcastro> dholbach: you rock!
[16:42]  * dholbach hugs jcastro and nhandler :)
[16:46] <vish> yay! , jcastro is back!
[16:46] <czajkowski> suffice to say we like it when jcastro jono dholbach dpm are in here there is life in the channel :)
[16:46] <czajkowski> oh and kim0
[16:46] <czajkowski> my bad
[16:46] <dholbach> not sure you need me for activity in here :)
[16:46] <kim0> czajkowski: hee
[16:47] <nigelb> czajkowski: and jussi too
[16:47] <nigelb> though he's been consumed by real life lately
[16:47]  * dpm hugs #community
[16:47] <czajkowski> nigelb: community team..
[16:47] <nigelb> czajkowski: ahhhh
[16:47]  * dholbach hugs you all too
[16:47] <czajkowski> when the 5 of them lot aren't in here tis rather quiet.
[16:51] <jcastro> hi sense, where you able to get the CDs from the leftover party?
[16:51] <sense> jcastro: Nope.
[16:51] <jcastro> did jeroen or dpm grab them?
[16:51] <sense> jcastro: I think dpm went to get the stuff friday evening, but that was too late. But maybe jeroen also went after them.
[16:52] <dpm> jcastro, I got everything and sent it to Millbank
[16:52] <jcastro> dpm: even then CDs?
[16:52] <sense> Not sure, but Jeroen did discuss a few things about it with mpt, the first Canonical employee I saw after Jeroen asked me to find someone from Canonical for him.
[16:52] <sense> ah
[16:52] <jcastro> whoops, I was intending for those CDs to solve your supply problem, sorry.
[16:53] <jcastro> sense: you did an amazing job organizing btw.
[16:53] <sense> No point.
[16:53] <dpm> jcastro,  yeah, I left some at the hotel and gave some to Jeroen and a Collabora guy, but as sense could not pick them up (the club opened at 22:00 and he had to go back), I just sent the rest back
[16:53] <sense> jcastro: As long as Ubuntu NL won't fail the reapproval process again we'll be able to request more CDs from you anyway! ;)
[16:53] <sense> jcastro: thanks
[16:53] <jcastro> I was just trying to be efficient, heh
[16:53] <sense> of course
[16:54] <sense> jcastro: No days off for you after the conferences? ;)
[16:54]  * czajkowski hugs sense
[16:54] <jcastro> sense: I am saving them for next week
[16:54]  * dpm hugs sense too
[16:55]  * sense hugs everyone
[16:55] <sense> jcastro: Going anywhere? Or just doing nothing at home?
[16:56] <AlanBell> popey: yes, wiping machines is possibly not ideal, but I didn't want an "oh noes it isn't windows" type statements on it
[16:56] <jcastro> sense: following jill to one of her conferences (for once)
[16:56] <sense> jcastro: Completely different kind of conference?
[16:56] <jcastro> sense: oh hey, were you still doing deluge?
[16:56] <jcastro> sense: yeah, psychology
[16:57] <sense> jcastro: I've been working on the bug that is blocking deluge during the past few days -- though not non-stop -- and I have fixed a part of the problem in GTK+, which is landing in the Desktop Team PPA. However, the AppInd part of the bug is more problematic and my current code is causing Deluge to segfault.
[16:58] <sense> jcastro: Basically: for both the blocking bug and the Deluge AppInd I've got most of the code ready, it just needs to start working.
[16:58] <sense> jcastro: blocker is bug #608219
[16:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608219 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Submenus not added when done so with Glade (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608219
[16:59] <sense> jcastro: The bad thing is that the segfault is happening in libdbusmenu-glib, which is not something I've been changing code in.
[16:59] <jcastro> should I have karl look at it?
[16:59] <jcastro> this bug has been sucking us for months
[16:59] <sense> jcastro: I'm leaving for a two weeks holiday for tomorrow, so I'll see what I can do today, and if it doesn't work I'll push the code I have and ping you.
[16:59] <jcastro> please do, I'd like to have it fixed for you for when you return. :D
[17:00] <sense> That would be great.
[17:54] <nigelb> sigh, too bad about google wave :/
[17:59] <jcastro> hi huats!
[17:59] <jcastro> nigelb: it was too complicated anyway
[17:59] <huats> Hi jcastro !
[17:59] <huats> I am currently working on the glom update
[17:59] <huats> I'll send an email to murray to talk to him about that
[18:00]  * vish  has a nice little story waiting for jcastro to blog :)
[18:00] <vish> ...when he gets back next week
[18:01] <jcastro> huats: oh hey
[18:01] <jcastro> I talked to him at guadec
[18:01] <jcastro> he was unaware of the per package stuff
[18:01] <jcastro> huats: so ideally hand it off to him forever. :p
[18:01] <huats> jcastro,  ok
[18:02] <huats> jcastro, well I think I'll upload a version a bit corrected / in better shape of the package first :)
[18:02] <huats> but it should be a good idea I think :)
[18:03] <paultag> Who do I have to yell at to have the build queue time fixed?
[18:03] <paultag> It's worse then windows -- it says 1 hour, but it's been 2 and I still have 30 minutes left -- at this rate it will be another 2 for the last 30
[18:03] <jcastro> paultag: it's in progress and high priority for them
[18:03] <paultag> jcastro: Aye, I figured that much out, but c'mon! If you can't get it kinda accurate then don't even include it :)
[18:04] <paultag> Just say "n packages in the queue before you"
[18:04] <huats> paultag, I also think that the number of package before can vary
[18:05] <huats> some are with a higher priority I think
[18:05] <huats> (my opinion)
[18:05] <paultag> huats: oh sure, and if you upload a higher priority one as well
[18:05] <paultag> huats: but at least it lets you see what's going on, rather then a random time guess that's not quite right
[18:05] <paultag> at least a count is accurate
[18:05] <huats> I understand
[18:06] <huats> I think patches are welcomes :P
[18:06] <huats> paultag, ok thta was an easy one my friend
[18:06] <paultag> haha
[18:06] <paultag> That's my favorate line. Don't like it?  Patch it!
[18:07] <paultag> It makes it so no one can whine about poor software :)
[18:07] <jcastro> yeah!
[18:08] <JFo> my professor in one of my core CS classes changed the dev cycle to include *Identify scapegoats and *Identify the 'guilty' to stakeholders
[18:08] <paultag> hahaha
[18:08] <nigelb> lol
[18:09] <JFo> there were several others, but i'd have to consult my notes
[18:09] <JFo> :)
[18:09] <JFo> oh *Assign blame was one
[18:09] <nigelb> paultag: its a problem withnot having proper build quie repect
[18:09] <nigelb> *queue
[18:09] <paultag> I'm not whining. It's a really really low priority build
[18:10] <paultag> and it's just so I can have some people test it before I upload to Debian
[18:11] <paultag> Oh so I was also thinking --
[18:11] <jcastro> paultag: yeah it's been a problem for quite some weeks, I guess it's complicated
[18:11] <paultag> jcastro: I never underestimate someone's smarttypants-ness with this stuff
[18:11] <paultag> jcastro: so I'm in no position to say what should be done :)
[18:12] <paultag> OK, so what's the process for divierting a package from Debian?
[18:12] <paultag> diverting * gah
[18:13] <paultag> I was thinking when I do a flux upload in Debian to also upload to Ubuntu with a different theme. We still have Debian branding on Flux right now, and since I'm slowly taking over most of the day-to-day, I'll just prepare both at once
[18:30] <dholbach> ok my friends - I call it a day
[18:30] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[18:31] <huats> see you tomorrow dholbach !
[18:32]  * dholbach hugs huats
[18:32]  * dholbach hugs everybody else too
[18:32] <huats> :)
[18:36] <highvoltage> even me!?
[18:37] <dholbach> sure
[18:38] <dholbach> bye!
[18:40] <czajkowski> yay http://twitter.com/luisbg/status/20402425209
[18:43] <huats> czajkowski, hehe, I did a patch to pitivi years ago too :)
[18:43] <huats> remember the old days :D
[18:44] <czajkowski> nice to see it being worked on
[18:52]  * nigelb patched pitvi just before lucid release
[18:52] <nigelb> that is why the title bar looks neat.  It used to show version number earlier.
[18:53] <popey> heh
[18:53] <popey> thats a sign of a program thats broken / under massive development - showing the version number in the titlebar
[18:55] <jcastro> they just had a hackathon on it iirc
[18:55] <popey> nice
[18:55] <nigelb> its a very nifty app to be honest
[18:57] <czajkowski> didn't robbie do the video for UDS using PiTivi ?
[18:58] <jcastro> yeah
[19:01] <czajkowski> jcastro: all recovered?
[19:02] <jcastro> sort of
[19:02] <czajkowski> jcastro: so GUADEC or DebConf which is the best?
[19:02] <czajkowski> neither beat a UDS mind :p
[19:04] <jcastro> depends
[19:04] <jcastro> I liked debconf this year, but had to leave early
[19:05] <nigelb> zack's really nice :)
[19:05] <czajkowski> aye it's still going on isn't it ?
[19:05] <nigelb> also, debian has become more friendly to ubuntu in this cycle.  Or, we're making more efforts to reach out to the other.
[19:06] <nigelb> (maybe jcastro is doing his job)
[19:06] <jcastro> it's a huge team effort
[19:09] <czajkowski> seems to be working well this cycle
[19:10] <nigelb> yeah, awesome to see debian names at udw
[19:10] <czajkowski> I do think Ubuntu folks are making a large effort you can see that on tweets, both tags are being used, whereas not so much the other way around, but it's good to see the likesof #debian-ubuntu happening
[19:10] <nigelb> I met up with a DD recently and he was a really cool guy :)
[19:10] <paultag> czajkowski: http://ubuntu.ru/ <-- they have it launched
[19:11] <paultag> czajkowski: looks great :)
[19:11] <paultag> nigelb: I get drunk with DDs every once in a while, they're great
[19:11] <nigelb> paultag: lol
[19:11] <paultag> nigelb: mako, spang and daf <3
[19:11] <nigelb> paultag: oh, spang is the friend who works at ksplice?
[19:12] <nigelb> she's DD? wow
[19:12] <paultag> nigelb: yuppers
[19:12] <paultag> nigelb: christine@debian
[19:12] <paultag> nigelb: huge amounts of work from her
[19:12] <nigelb> \o/ some people do ROCK :)
[19:12] <pleia2> debconf is great, my boss is out of the office again today, woo party
[19:12] <pleia2> (actually, it means I have to hold down the fort, and it's been kinda a busy week)
[19:12] <nigelb> lol
[19:13] <paultag> nigelb<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:14] <nigelb> paultag: wow
[19:20] <jcastro> the only bummer about debconf was no Pendulum. :(
[19:20] <jcastro> but I guess I got to see maco instead. :p
[19:21] <maco> jcastro: dea came up to me and said "penelope!" and i was like "um no, im mackenzie. but apparently at uds people asked if she was my cousin, so i guess we look alike"
[19:21] <maco> and then she goes "oh uh...yeah that was probably me. i called her mackenzie when i saw her at uds..."
[19:22] <pleia2> hehe
[19:22] <maco> there were quite a lot of ubuntu folks at debconf
[19:22] <maco> i didnt see keybuk til tuesday when jcastro and i both left
[19:22] <maco> jcastro: did he only show up then, or did i just keep missing him?
[19:23] <jcastro> he was around
[19:23] <jcastro> for some work stuff on one day he stayed at the hotel to get it finished without distraction iirc
[19:23] <maco> i looked at jcastro's list of who was there and told emmet which names i didnt know, and he had to give me the irc nick equivalents, since i only know matthias as doko
[19:24] <maco> i was glad to finally meet spang & daf
[19:25] <jcastro> they're good people
[19:26] <nigelb> maco: dea?
[19:27] <maco> nigelb: a woman i met at uds dallas. she went to belgium too apparently
[19:27] <maco> and was at debconf
[19:27] <nigelb> ahhh :)
[19:27] <maco> nigelb: short brown hair in the UW photos
[19:27] <maco> though she dyed it blonde now
[19:27] <pleia2> dea is great :)
[19:27] <nigelb> on irc?
[19:29] <nigelb> jcastro: pedro at debconf?
[19:30] <jcastro> no
[19:30] <nigelb> oh, i assumed he was.
[19:31] <nigelb> when he's back i need to talk to him about having a patch day :)
[19:31] <vish> pleia2: was she the one who arranged the treasure hunt?
[19:31] <vish> nigelb: tried -bugs? ;) hes back!
[19:32] <nigelb> gah, i have bad timing then
[19:32] <jcastro> I think that was her
[19:32] <jcastro> pleia2: ask her to hang out here!
[19:35] <maco> and in #u-w for that matter :P
[19:35] <maco> i dont know her irc nick
[19:36] <nigelb> bed time..... later foks :)
[19:37] <pleia2> I don't think she uses irc :\
[19:42] <maco> jcastro: olf schedule is up :)
[19:44] <jcastro> wow, looks great!
[19:44] <cjohnston> someone should sponsor me for olf
[19:51] <JFo> sadly, I'll be unable to attend OLF this year :(
[19:52] <Pendulum> vish: yes, she was
[19:54] <akgraner> Oh I am liking the OLF schedule  - woo hoo!
[19:54] <vish> Pendulum: ah , yeah , she was cool ... we[me and a couple of others] won that hunt, btw :D
[20:34] <Technoviking> jono: new record for the forums Most users ever online was 43,910, 5 Hours Ago at 08:14 AM
[20:34] <maco> Technoviking: what timezone is the forum in?
[20:34] <maco> pacific?
[20:36] <Technoviking> maco: it adjust to the timezone you have set, so it would be 8:14am MST
[20:36] <maco> ohok
[20:36] <maco> actually MDT isnt it?
[20:36] <maco> daylight savings is still in effect
[20:37] <Technoviking> what ever:), grew up in Indiana (no daylight saving time back then)
[20:37] <JFo> crud, that reminds me. I owe you guys some stuff for forums Technoviking
[20:37]  * JFo is so far behind.
[20:37] <Technoviking> maco: yeah, I'm -6 UTC now
[20:41] <Technoviking> JFo: no problem me too, after my summer class is over need to finish to new forum theme.
[20:41] <highvoltage> jono: are you around?
[20:41] <JFo> heh
[20:45] <jono> Technoviking, nice!
[20:45] <jono> good work!
[20:45] <jono> highvoltage, just eating
[20:47] <highvoltage> jono: cool. I was looking at your python-junior blog post again, I think it might be nice for Edubuntu since lots of schools do python these days
[20:47] <highvoltage> jono: is it ok if I use your source packages from your ppa and clean up (if required) for uploading to universe?
[20:47] <highvoltage> jono: ...and also probably acire
[20:50] <jono> highvoltage, perfect!
[20:50] <jono> that would be awesome!
[20:50] <highvoltage> jono: great, thanks
[20:50] <maco> highvoltage: you're an edubuntu person?
[20:51] <highvoltage> maco: well I wouldn't box myself in as being just one kind of person... but yes it's one of my tags :)
[21:23] <highvoltage> jono: hmm, I can't seem to find a ppa for pyjunior, does it have packaging currently or is there just the branch in LP?
[21:25] <jono> highvoltage, I never made a package
[21:25] <jono> it is literally only a few hours of hacking work
[21:26] <jono> but it is a quickly project so packaging is simple
[21:26] <highvoltage> jono: ok, yeah I realised you made it while on vacation and all :)
[21:29] <jono> :)
[21:29] <jono> I think it has huge potential
[21:29] <jono> :)
[21:29] <pleia2> highvoltage: you might also be interested in Pippy: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pippy
[21:30] <pleia2> (if you haven't heard of it yet)
[21:30] <pleia2> written for the olpc platform on sugar, but sugar runs on fedora and I think extracting it for ubuntu wouldn't be a lot of trouble
[21:35] <highvoltage> pleia2: nice! we're trying to get sugar in as on option on the dvd for the 10.10 release. ideally you'd be able to choose it in ubiquity as part of the installation process like on http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubiquity-plugins/screenshots/desktop-env.png
[21:36] <highvoltage> pleia2: if we can't get pippy (or even sugar) in for 10.10 I'll keep it on my todo list for 11.04!
[21:36] <pleia2> highvoltage: that would be really great, I'd love to finally see ubuntu as a viable platform for sugar :)
[21:37] <pleia2> especially since it looks like the new olpc hardware is going to be targeted at ARM (but that's still all in discussion)
[21:38] <highvoltage> pleia2: ooh, interesting
[21:39] <highvoltage> pleia2: the examples on the pippy wiki page is really cool!
[21:39] <pleia2> highvoltage: yeah, they've done a nice job with that project :)
[22:27] <highvoltage> jono: is there a branch or upstream tarball somewhere for acire?
[22:28] <highvoltage> hmm, I think I have it
[22:52] <jono> highvoltage, cool :)
[22:59] <highvoltage> jono: is it just me, or does python-snippets appear to not have a version number?
[23:02] <sense> See you all in two weeks!
[23:19] <jono> highvoltage, it is a daily package
[23:21] <highvoltage> jono: hmm, I'm not sure how to version it in the package then. I guess I could use the daily date then? something like 0.0.201004290407-0ubuntu1 ?
[23:27] <jcastro> highvoltage: yeah, stamp it, one sec
[23:27] <jcastro> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes
[23:27] <jcastro> 1.0+{revno}-0ubuntu0+{revno:packaging}+{time} is an example
[23:28] <highvoltage> jcastro: thanks!
[23:44] <nhandler> jcastro: Did I even touch that page?
[23:51] <jcastro> nhandler: I think you edited it at some point
[23:58] <nhandler> jcastro: Ah, I added a note about not using 'All Day Events' and to redent/retween @ubuntuclassroom ;)


[00:00] <hydrozii> when i installed lubuntu on this computer there was no network card in it... could that be a problem?
[00:00] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, not really
[00:00] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, can you connect it with a wired connection to check for additional  drivers and possibly even apply updates?
[00:01] <hydrozii> yes i have
[00:01] <hydrozii> my computer is fully updated and there is no additional drivers
[00:03] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, are you sure the card is turned on?
[00:04] <hydrozii> no, but im thinking the wirless light on the top of my computer being blue means it is
[00:04] <hydrozii> is that right?
[00:04] <GTRsdk> which model laptop?
[00:04] <hydrozii> compaq presario cq60
[00:06] <GTRsdk> did it work in Maverick?
[00:08] <hydrozii> was that 10.10?
[00:08] <JackyAlcine> atheros is fully supported on Ubuntu,
[00:08] <hydrozii> it did work perfectly before in lubuntu
[00:08] <hydrozii> when it stoped i assumed that my network card was broken and ordered another one
[00:09] <GTRsdk> 10.10 = maverick
[00:09] <hydrozii> yes it worked in 10.10
[00:09] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, did it stop once you upgraded?
[00:09] <hydrozii> no it stoped before that
[00:10] <hydrozii> i have been plugging it in directly since it broke
[00:10] <hydrozii> and have upgraded since then
[00:10] <hydrozii> when you plug in a new network card to a linux machine, what typically happens?
[00:10] <hydrozii> does it simply work?
[00:11] <GTRsdk> maybe the port/slot/whatever it is called died
[00:11] <hydrozii> :/
[00:11] <hydrozii> maybe
[00:11] <hydrozii> the old one wouldn't work in other labtops either
[00:11] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, when I plug a wireless card into the computer, it says wireless netwroks are awailable. Then I can click on the icon on the panel and join the network
[00:12] <hydrozii> so there is no drivers that need to be downloaded or anything
[00:12] <GTRsdk> right
[00:12] <GTRsdk> it "just works"
[00:13] <hydrozii> well my dad will assume its a software problem and i will be forced to install some form of windows to prove otherwise
[00:14] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, maybe you could get a USB card?
[00:14] <hydrozii> maybe
[00:15] <hydrozii> are most usb cards compatible?
[00:15] <GTRsdk> some are, some aren't. I have a Belkin F5D8053 V3000 that works
[00:15] <KM0201> i'ev also got that exact belkin, works fine
[00:16] <KM0201> hydrozii: what is your internal wireless device, this might be a fairly easy fix if its not working
[00:18] <hydrozii> how do i find out what my internal wireless device is?
[00:18] <hydrozii> thats not the wireless card?
[00:19] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, the atheros card is internal, right?
[00:21] <hydrozii> when i click on the wirless icon it says " wireless network(Atheros AR5001 Wirless Network Adapter) wireless is disabled"
[00:21] <hydrozii> and underneath that is a checkbox that says "enable wireless" but i have that checked...
[00:21] <hydrozii> so how do i enable wireless...?
[00:21] <GTRsdk> make sure the enable wireless is active
[00:22] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, is there an annoying switch on the laptop?
[00:22] <GTRsdk> one that could easily get switched off?
[00:22] <hydrozii> there is an annoying button
[00:22] <hydrozii> no i don't think so
[00:22] <GTRsdk> see what it does
[00:23] <GTRsdk> hydrozii, maybe a BIOS setting was changed?
[00:23] <hydrozii> im faily certain that it turns my wireless on and off.... and when its blue that means on.... i have to press it about a million times to get it to change colors
[00:23] <hydrozii> should i look for a bios setting that could have been changed?
[00:24] <GTRsdk> yeah
[00:24] <hydrozii> alright then brb
[00:24] <hydrozii> hang on it tells me that wirless is disabled by hardware switch
[00:24] <hydrozii> im gonna mess with this button for a minute
[00:30] <hydrozii> i couldn't find any options mentioning wireless in bios, i really don't think thats the problem
[00:32] <hydrozii> well i give up for now
[00:32] <hydrozii> ill see you guys later thanks for the help
[02:31] <zen_monkey> nights, am having trouble with X and a TNT2 on lubuntu 11.04
[02:31] <zen_monkey> anyone up for a chat? :D
[02:37] <zen_monkey> when i turn the pc on screen flickers a couple of times then i can see few of the starting services (bluetooth is the last) and pauses there
[03:40] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: recovery mode?
[03:41] <mikedep334> hold down shift to prevent Ubuntu skipping through the grub2 menu
[03:41] <mikedep334> if that works, you can install openssh-server and see if you can at least ssh into it during a normal boot
[03:41] <mikedep334> honestly, I don't even know what driver a TNT2 would use
[03:42] <mikedep334> nv still?
[03:42] <mikedep334> oh, they're the oldest cards supported by nouveau
[03:42] <zen_monkey> hey hi
[03:43] <mikedep334> http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Suspend_support
[03:43] <mikedep334> "can suspend/resume reliably except for a TNT2 that has other issues.. This support is only available when kernel modesetting is switched on, so that's even more reason to use it!"
[03:43] <zen_monkey> somehow i'm experiencing various issues with this thingy
[03:43] <mikedep334> I recently had to disable modesetting for couple of Radeon cards to work
[03:43] <mikedep334> it's both a kernel parameter and a /etc/modules parameter
[03:44] <mikedep334> or you can use whatever /etc/<Folder Name>/ modules config can go in as well
[03:44] <zen_monkey> ubuntu live 10.04 starts in low graphic mode, kubuntu stoped working after upgrading to 10.04 and lubuntu is not working X
[03:45] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: my best guess would still be to disable KMS
[03:45] <mikedep334> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAwMg
[03:45] <mikedep334> "The Nouveau stack in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS provides 2D and X-Video acceleration with kernel mode-setting."
[03:45] <zen_monkey> one wierd thing is that running Xorg -configure detects many screens
[03:45] <zen_monkey> and i only have one
[03:46] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: I've seen stupid stuff like that
[03:46] <zen_monkey> and quits config with an error
[03:46] <mikedep334> wait
[03:46] <mikedep334> I don't think you need to use Xorg -configure
[03:46] <mikedep334> you should be able to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:47] <mikedep334> also, you may need to run your command with sudo
[03:47] <mikedep334> (sorry, I don't know exactly how much you know about this stuff)
[03:47] <zen_monkey> why there's no xorg.conf on /etc/X11/
[03:47] <zen_monkey> ?
[03:47] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: because recent versions of X no longer include it unless you're manually configuring X
[03:47] <mikedep334> X is now meant to be auto-configured
[03:47] <zen_monkey> ic
[03:48] <mikedep334> eg, if you need it to load 'fglrx' or 'nvidia', the utilities would generate an xorg.conf
[03:48] <zen_monkey> let me check dpkg-reconfigure to see what surprises it has for me
[03:48] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS
[03:48] <zen_monkey> brb
[03:48] <mikedep334> try that
[03:49] <mikedep334> I need to go to bed badly
[03:49] <mikedep334> ttyl
[03:50] <zen_monkey> mikedep334: well thanks till now, it's not too late here and i'm standing for a fight hehe
[03:53] <mikedep334> zen_monkey: np, gl
[05:59] <Tatsujln> The sound works directly on this motherboard when running ubuntu but not when running lubuntu http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/#specifications
[05:59] <Tatsujln> and it's a headache trying to get the drivers to install
[05:59] <Tatsujln> manually since i'm a beginner
[05:59] <Tatsujln> just curious if theres some special package in synaptics that would solve it
[06:01] <Tatsujln> i've tried http://black-pixel.net/alc892realtek-id-892-on-mint-linuxubuntu.html
[06:01] <Tatsujln> it does not work
[06:01] <Tatsujln> :(
[06:03] <Tatsujln> getting can not remove /dev/snd and alsaconf not found are some of the errors i'm getting among other stuff
[06:03] <Tatsujln> getting-
[06:04] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, linux-firmware-nonfree?
[06:05] <Tatsujln> just installed it , whats the next step
[06:05] <GTRsdk> does it work>
[06:08] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, if that doesn't work, you might have to check on the additional drivers (jockey-gtk) application
[06:08] <Tatsujln> one sec , just fiddling around here.
[06:19] <Tatsujln> gotta reboot and see if this works
[06:22] <Tatsujln> nope still no sound
[06:22] <Tatsujln> jockey-gtk only gives me a gfx driver
[06:22] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, which version?
[06:23] <Tatsujln> alsa-driver-1.0.24 and latest lubuntu
[06:23] <Tatsujln> gnome alsa mixer is empty
[06:23] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, which Ubuntu did it work in?
[06:23] <Tatsujln> the latest
[06:23] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, you have all updates aplied?
[06:23] <GTRsdk> and it is not muted?
[06:24] <Tatsujln> well i can't unmute it since alsamixer is empty
[06:24] <Tatsujln> theres no sound option in the corner as usual either.
[06:25] <GTRsdk> strange
[06:25] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:25] <bioterror> could this be a case of alsaconf
[06:31] <Tatsujln> i'm new to linux so i'm at a dead end.
[06:33] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, is there anything preventing you from using Ubuntu?
[06:33] <Tatsujln> Yes i hate it compared to Lubuntu :)
[06:33] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, reasons?
[06:34] <Tatsujln> too bloated , i only have a 32gb ssd
[06:34] <Tatsujln> i also prefer lubuntus classical style
[06:35] <Tatsujln> anyways , i guess i'll have to do some google digging on how to solve this , thanks for the help though.
[06:35] <jmarsden> Tatsujln: Have you considered installing Ubuntu, then installing lubuntu-desktop, and removing the unwanted GNOME stuff?
[06:35] <jmarsden> Not ideal, but if you know sound works for you in Ubuntu, it might be worth trying.
[06:36] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, which package in Ubuntu provides sound support that isn't in Lubuntu though?
[06:36] <Tatsujln> ah didn't notice that was possible , i'll have to check it out
[06:37] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: I don't know, but for him something is different... if you want to help debug exactly what is responsible for the sound difference, go for it, I don't have the time available to do that I'm afraid :)
[06:37] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, I don't know programming :(
[06:37] <Tatsujln> before when compiling it there was some path errors
[06:38] <Tatsujln> i don't think the issue is very complicated to solve for linux programmers but for me it is since i'm a linux n00b
[06:38] <jmarsden> Compiling it?  You *compiled* Lubuntu??  Why not just use the pre-made ISO?
[06:38] <Tatsujln> i mean the sound driver
[06:38] <jmarsden> Ah, so for Ubuntu you had to manually compile a 3rd party driver?
[06:38] <Tatsujln> it looks as if it doesn't find the folders it wants to find that are in ubuntu but that are different in lubuntu
[06:39] <jmarsden> Earlier you said: <Tatsujln> The sound works directly on this motherboard when running ubuntu
[06:39] <jmarsden> You did not say you had to compile anything!
[06:40] <Tatsujln> yup the sound works directly in ubuntu without me having to do anything but with lubuntu i have to try to compile alsa-driver-1.0.24-5.16rc14.tar.bz2 on my own
[06:40] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, ubuntu-bug?
[06:40] <Tatsujln> and thats where the problem begins
[06:41] <jmarsden> Um... OK... so what led you to try compiling stuff?  What made you pick that file to try to compile?  Do any of our Lubuntu wiki pages suggest doing that?
[06:42] <Tatsujln> nope i can't find any lubuntu specific article so i have to check what the ubuntu people are doing to compile it
[06:42] <Tatsujln> http://black-pixel.net/alc892realtek-id-892-on-mint-linuxubuntu.html
[06:42] <Tatsujln> like this dude for example
[06:42] <Tatsujln> and some alc892 threads on the ubuntu forum
[06:43] <jmarsden> That article is not about Lubuntu.  Following random articles that you guess might sort of somehow help is probably a bad idea unless you are expert enough to know what will work the same in Lubuntu and what might need to be changed...
[06:43] <Tatsujln> theres no alc892realtek package in synaptics so thats why i'm forced to try to compile it on my own
[06:43] <Tatsujln> i usually prefer to do everything through synaptics.
[06:44] <jmarsden> Right, using existing official packages is much preferred.
[06:47] <Tatsujln> Anyways i'm gonna go this route then
 Tatsujln: Have you considered installing Ubuntu, then installing lubuntu-desktop, and removing the unwanted GNOME stuff?
[06:47] <Tatsujln> for least headache:)
[06:47] <jmarsden> Try it, it could work for you :)
[06:50] <Tatsujln> so once i have ubuntu up and running again i just go into synaptics and install lubuntu-desktop which will make ubuntu look exactly like lubuntu?
[06:51] <bioterror> it will install lubuntu packages
[06:51] <GTRsdk> Tatsujln, it installs Lubuntu, so you can choose Lubuntu on the login screen
[06:57] <john_rambo> I am at the moment downloading lubuntu ...........before going for the installation I want find if there are any bad sectors on the disk ...Is there a way to do that in Live Cd Mode?
[06:57] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, bad sectors on the cd or hard drive?
[06:57] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, HDD
[06:58] <bioterror> fsck /dev/sdX
[06:58] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, is it possible to check for bad sectors using a live cd?
[06:58] <GTRsdk> err nvm
[06:58] <bioterror> it will tell you if theres ones
[06:59] <john_rambo> bioterror, Okay ....& what if I find any ...Can fsck fix them too?
[06:59] <bioterror> yes, it will walk to the store and buy you a new hdd ;)
[07:00] <john_rambo> bioterror, oops ...
[07:00] <jmarsden> You should use the -c option to e2fsck to do a good check ... use it twice to do a non-destructive read/write test...
[07:00] <bioterror> you can technically mark them as bad sectors, but they wont disappear
[07:00] <jmarsden> e2fsck -c /dev/WHATEVER will add the bad blocks to the bad block list...
[07:01] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror  Thanks
[07:01] <bioterror> but if you have them, get yourself a new hdd
[07:02] <jmarsden> Right, no modern hard drive should have any bad blocks.
[07:02] <bioterror> on 1TB drive I had them worth of 160GB
[07:02] <jmarsden> :)  Maybe if installing Lubuntu on a 40 year old PDP-11 diskpack, or something, a few bad blocks would be tolerated :)
[07:03] <john_rambo> bioterror, jmarsden This is an old PC I am trying to use mainly for downloading large files
[07:04] <john_rambo> bioterror, jmarsden Celeron 2.13 .....Ram : 386 MB ...40GB HDD
[07:04] <bioterror> come visit my home
[07:04] <jmarsden> john_rambo: Then you want a reliable hard disk (so you don't lose all the large files you download)... so if it has bad blocks... find a different hard drive :)
[07:04] <bioterror> i can give you couple of 128GB :D
[07:04] <bioterror> and few 80 and smaller
[07:06] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Yes ...that is why I am doing all these checks ......at least the bad sectors will be marked ..
[07:07] <jmarsden> john_rambo: The problem with that is, that if a drive is already failing, it will probably get worse and worse as you use it... so you mark the bad sectors that are there *today*... and next week, some more go bad!
[07:07] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror  When this HDD goed bad completely I am going to install lubuntu on a USB Pen drive ........PC Peripherals is extremely costly here in India
[07:07] <john_rambo> are*
[07:08] <bioterror> remember to use non-journaling filesystem
[07:08] <john_rambo> jmarsden, bioterror But I am really disappointed ......Why isnt there a 64 bit version ?
[07:08] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, made a 64 bit one, I think.
[07:09] <jmarsden> Because when I tried to make one it failed... there is an unofficial 64bit ISO already made by Kendall.
[07:09] <jmarsden> But is your Celeron with 385MB really fully 64bit capable??
[07:10] <jmarsden> And what would the benefit of uysing a 64bit OS be, on that hardware??
[07:10] <john_rambo> jmarsden, No ..64 bit for my main PC
[07:10] <john_rambo> lubuntu.net doesnt mention any 64bit version
[07:11] <jmarsden> If it has more than 4GB RAM, so you need 64bit, you can use the unofficial ISO for that.  Otherwise, you can wait for me to find time to debug our ISO generator so 64bit ISOs that it makes actually work :)
[07:11] <jmarsden> john_rambo: No, probably not.
[07:11] <bioterror> i would say
[07:11] <bioterror> if you know the differences
[07:11] <bioterror> and you really do something that requires 64bit system, why not
[07:12] <bioterror> otherwise its all the same with pae-kernel
[07:12] <john_rambo> bioterror, I use avidemux to encode files ..... 64 Bit help speed up the process
[07:14] <jmarsden> If you must, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu for links to the unofficial community 64bit ISO.
[07:16] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Checking that link .....Dont get pissed off ...what does "unofficial" means here?
[07:16] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, it isn't an official iso
[07:16] <GTRsdk> it was made by someone other than the official builders
[07:17] <bioterror> its not made by jmarsden ;)
[07:17] <jmarsden> It means it was made by a member of the user community, not by anyone who is 'officially' an Lubuntu developer :)
[07:17] <bioterror> great contribution that is
[07:17] <bioterror> all I can say
[07:18] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, I should learn programming and then become a developer
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> bioterror: hello@
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> !
[07:18] <bioterror> hi darren
[07:18] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: If that is what you want to do, do it :)
[07:18] <bioterror> GTRsdk, great way to start is to join ubuntu beginners team
[07:18] <mysteriousdarren> do it! and good luck!
[07:20] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, Good Luck  I can hope for a official 64 bit release now
[07:21] <GTRsdk> bioterror, I plan to join the ubuntu beginners team soon :)
[07:21] <jmarsden> john_rambo: It is VERY likely there will be a 64bit release of Lubuntu 11.10 Oneiric in October...
[07:21] <john_rambo> jmarsden, An official one?
[07:21] <poltak> yes
[07:21] <poltak> It's been confirmed
[07:22] <john_rambo> poltak, Thats Awesome News !!!!
[07:22] <poltak> Thanks I could help, bro
[07:22] <jmarsden> john_rambo: Yes.  Lubuntu will use Canonical build infrastructure for 11.10 and with that we will be more able to "do it right" and generate multiple ISOs.
[07:22] <poltak> You should so totally make an ARM port
[07:23] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, what about a mac PPC iso?
[07:23] <jmarsden> You?  What is this "you"?  You want it, *you* start a port :)  We are a community; work together to get things done...
[07:23] <poltak> Ffs, why you always do this to me, jmarsden?
[07:23] <tenach> o/
[07:24] <jmarsden> GTRsdk: I don't think the official Canonical builders support PPC at the moment, but if someone came along with the desire and skills to do it...
[07:24] <bioterror> theres other ppc machines than capples!
[07:24] <GTRsdk> bioterror, really?
[07:24] <bioterror> yes
[07:24] <bioterror> amigaone and pegasosppc
[07:24] <bioterror> :D
[07:24] <GTRsdk> I should try to get enough skills so I can make an iso that works on an iBook G3
[07:25] <bioterror> you should trash G3 :D
[07:26] <GTRsdk> bioterror, yeah :(
[07:26] <poltak> PS3 is also PPC, isn't it?
[07:26] <bioterror> i threw my dual cpu G4s to recycling center
[07:26] <poltak> And it can (*could*) run linux
[07:26] <bioterror> poltak, cell is based on power if i remember right
[07:26] <poltak> Yeah, thought so.
[07:26] <Unit193> bioterror: Yep
[07:27] <bioterror> xbox360 is also ppc based
[07:27] <poltak> And the wii...
[07:27] <bioterror> i rmember they use G5 for sdk
[07:27] <poltak> Something about consoles and ppc
[07:27]  * mysteriousdarren is off to bed, early morning
[07:29] <poltak> It's only 4:30pm
[07:29] <poltak> You freak
[07:29] <bioterror> 4h30mins sleep behind
[07:30] <bioterror> and im still lacking the first warm cup of stfu
[07:30] <poltak> reported
[07:31] <john_rambo> Mind wonders ...I wish there was adsl router with an inbuilt browser & torrent client .....a usb cable goes on to connect a USB DRIVE ...no need for PC ...Download Away
[07:31] <john_rambo> My dream device
[07:33] <GTRsdk> john_rambo, you just plug a USB flash drive in, and it puts Lubuntu/Ubuntu on it?
[07:34] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, No ....there is no OS in the above fictional device .....other than the OS of the router
[07:34] <john_rambo> GTRsdk, Router directly connected to storage
[07:39] <bioterror> john_rambo, with openwrt that should be possible
[07:39] <john_rambo> bioterror, Googling that ....
[07:40] <bioterror> but then again those adsl routers does have so slow/lame cpu that torrent client will eat too much resources
[07:43] <john_rambo> bioterror, Good ... taht something like openwrt but there is no way I can use my existing router for that kind of a setup ...I mean there is no scope to connect display
[07:43] <john_rambo> that*
[07:44] <john_rambo> exists*
[07:44] <john_rambo> bioterror, We need hardware as well
[07:46] <Tatsujln> whoever designed lubuntu-desktop for ubuntu is a goddamn genius:)
[07:46] <Tatsujln> now i got the look of lubuntu and sound:)
[07:46] <jmarsden> Good :)
[07:47] <john_rambo> Tatsujln, I did that too ...but the real Lubuntu is much lighter
[07:47] <john_rambo> Tatsujln, If that is of any concern to you
[07:48] <jmarsden> john_rambo: The issue for Tatsujln was that sound failed to work if he installs from the Lubuntu ISO, but works from the Ubuntu ISOs... so... I suggested the mix-and-match approach so get gets sound, and the desktop he likes :)
[07:48] <Tatsujln> not really but i will still try every new lubuntu release to see if they ever fix the sound issue but until then this will do fine.
[07:49] <Tatsujln> i got 8gig of ram but for me the strong point of lubuntu is the whole interface
[07:49] <Tatsujln> ubuntu gnome just doesn't feel as nice
[07:49] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Oh .... Real good news then
[07:50] <GTRsdk> I like the Lubuntu interface also.. and Lubuntu works better with wine, I think
[07:51] <Tatsujln> lubuntu just keeps it simple , thats how i like it:)
[07:51] <Tatsujln> *reboot*
[07:51] <john_rambo> jmarsden, But how is this possible ? Isnt Lubuntu  & Ubuntu the same ...leaving the desktop environment ?
[07:52] <jmarsden> john_rambo: I don't know the details, I don't have time to troubleshoot that for Tatsujln, so I came up with an appropriate workaround for him instead.
[07:52] <jmarsden> The exact set of packages in the Lubuntu ISO is of course not the same as the set on the Ubuntu CD... but why that affects his sound, I do not know.
[07:53] <jmarsden> Actually, I don't really have the time to be here at the keyboard, I should go to bed... goodnight all :)
[07:53] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Yes .. thats really strange ....
[07:53] <john_rambo> jmarsden, Good Night
[07:53] <GTRsdk> jmarsden, good night
[07:53] <Tatsujln> Thanks for the help jmars , good night:)
[08:39] <john_rambo> bioterror, "remember to use non-journaling filesystem" ....Please suggest one ...download is almost complete
[08:41] <bioterror> ext2 for example
[08:42] <john_rambo> bioterror, Okies
[08:42] <bioterror> I mean for the usb
[08:42] <bioterror> if you make pendrive, use non-journaling in it ;)
[08:42] <bioterror> with HDD use journaling filesystem ;)
[08:42] <john_rambo> bioterror, No ...thsi is a 40 Gb PATA HDD
[08:44] <bioterror> yes, use ext4 with it
[09:44] <michiduta> hello
[09:44] <michiduta> This is more of a general issue but thought I asked it here since I'm currently using Lubuntu
[09:45] <michiduta> My L-Max 5K Serioux USB mouse does not work well with any ubuntu variant installed but works well in any ubuntu variant live
[09:46] <michiduta> Anyone know why?
[09:47] <michiduta> What it does is it focuses on whatever control/window/panel I click first and cannot click on anything else without first doing a right-click on the currently focused window.panel.etc
[09:49] <poltak> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/"
[09:49] <michiduta> Do I have to copy paste that into a terminal?
[09:51] <michiduta> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ : No such file or directory
[09:52] <michiduta> Also there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ directory
[10:48] <Kurdistan> hey guys/girls how is the new lubuntu going?
[12:25] <poltak> Any of you fellas use Windows?
[12:27] <bioterror> all the time at work
[12:27] <bioterror> I make my living with it
[12:27] <poltak> I got a funny joke for you then
[12:27] <poltak> Guess why it is called "Windows"?
[12:27] <bioterror> go ahead
[12:27] <poltak> (say why)
[12:27] <bioterror> why
[12:27] <bioterror> ?
[12:28] <poltak> Because you look out the window and there you see... Linux!!!
[12:29] <poltak> You can also change the "Linux" to any other OS you use. (it's interchangeable)
[12:29] <bioterror> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE
[12:29] <poltak> As in: Because you look out the window and there you see... Mac OS X!!!
[12:30] <poltak> Made it myself :)
[12:30] <bioterror> I would hang myself if I look out from the window and I see FINDER
[12:31] <bioterror> poltak, http://ricecows.org/beachball.gif
[12:31] <poltak> Finder's an app, not an OS. It doesn't really work for my joke, bioterror.
[12:31] <poltak> But can I ask, why do you hate Finder so?
[12:31] <bioterror> becouse it sucks
[12:32] <poltak> That's like saying you hate Jews because they're black.
[12:32] <poltak> C'mon now
[12:32] <bioterror> whole file system is polluted with .DS_Store and _Directory
[12:32] <bioterror> and if you have to deal with network drives, you will see: BEACHBALL.GIF!
[12:32] <bioterror> and then again have you seen OS X's BSoD?
[12:32] <poltak> Ah, I have the beachball as my linux pointer.
[12:32] <poltak> Doesn't OS X kernel panic the same as Linux?
[12:32] <bioterror> http://www.wirelust.com/img/blog/20071031/osx_kernel_panic.jpg does that tell you much
[12:33] <poltak> Oh yes, I've seen this.
[12:33] <bioterror> I've seen alot with 10.3 and 10.4
[12:33] <bioterror> which I used to use
[12:34] <jgould> I've seen that too...  I had it happen in 10.5, but I don't think I've ever seen it in 10.6
[12:35] <jgould> the kernel will just eat 3/4ths of a GB of ram in 10.6...
[12:36] <poltak> Would you advise against buying a Macintosh?
[12:36] <bioterror> OS X caches _eeeeverything_ ;)
[12:36] <bioterror> I have a guy sitting next to me in here and he has iPad 2
[12:36] <bioterror> and I'm lulzing at him
[12:36] <bioterror> quietly inside me
[12:38] <bioterror> I work in a media corporation
[12:38] <poltak> Ergh... I dislike iOS a lot...
[12:38] <jgould> I've seen that too...  I had it happen in 10.5, but I don't think I've ever seen it happen in 1.6
[12:39] <jgould> poltak: if you are going to put Ubuntu (or a derivitve) on it, yes
[12:39] <poltak> jgould: I'm talking about OS X
[12:39] <bioterror> this corporation has different kind of divisions from tv/radio channels to book publications, game developing
[12:39] <bioterror> and I see Mac's and I see a reason to use them
[12:40] <jgould> My MacBook Pro 8,1 (Brand new as of Febuarary) to forever for me to get to work right under Ubuntu
[12:40] <jgould> if you are going to run the Mac OS, sure
[12:40] <poltak> I've been planning to build a hackintosh (not really for any purpose, other than I have a bit of spare cash around)
[12:40] <bioterror> jgould, yeah, if you buy mac, stick with OS X
[12:40] <bioterror> poltak, you're breaking EULA
[12:40] <jgould> Hackintoshes are a PITA to confugre
[12:40] <poltak> I meant macintosh
[12:40] <bioterror> you just said you're going to make a criminal act
[12:41] <poltak> Will I get fined for this?
[12:41] <jgould> My next machine is probably going to be a Lemur series from System76
[12:41] <jgould> You could, poltak
[12:41] <bioterror> poltak, this channel also gets logged
[12:42] <poltak> ... oh shit. My gran's gonna kill me if I get in more trouble
[12:42] <jgould> more?
[12:42] <poltak> That's none of your business, mister
[12:43] <bioterror> are mac's now using broadcom as wireless chipset?
[12:43] <jgould> Why asume I'm a mister?
[12:43] <bioterror> before they had Atheros
[12:43] <jgould> Yes
[12:43] <poltak> Because women aren't on the internet, other than facebook
[12:43] <jgould> This thing has a BCM4331 chipset
[12:43]  * jgould disagrees with that statemnt
[12:43] <bioterror> jgould, not good :G
[12:43] <jgould> I'm using a USB 802.11N adaptor in the mean time
[12:44] <jgould> that's the only thing I don't have working in some capacity..
[12:44] <poltak> I'm gonna skip town
[12:44] <jgould> My trackpad is still hyper sensitive... meaning I can only use gnome...
[12:44] <bioterror> jgould, and then there's this drive blessing and other kind of stuff
[12:45] <jgould> I use rEFIt on this machine to handle that.  This one dual boots MacOS and Ubuntu 11.04.  My Mac Mini acts as a headless server with only 10.04LTS on it
[12:46] <bioterror> I love how Apple did that "we dont make xserves any more, buy macminis" :D
[12:46] <jgould> No where near the same...  I need to get more hard drive space to add to the server...  Don't have the money right now though
[12:47] <jgould> Mac Mini's and the Mac Pro are the two 'server' machines
[12:47] <jgould> I'd go with the Pro if I were buying one to run OS X server on.  Dunno why I would though,  the P4 in teh kitchen does everthing that a Pro would for a lot less money
[12:48] <bioterror> http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/405670/rackmacmini.jpg ^__^
[12:48] <bioterror> soooo professional
[12:48] <jgould> (at least in our home network (and it could probably handle a small workgroup as well without giving too much fuss...))
[12:50] <jgould> actually, I don't think that looks all that bad... My issue with running the Mini as a server in any capacity is that they are limited in upgradablilty...
[12:50] <bioterror> or as in business use they should have redundant power intake
[12:51] <bioterror> it's a shame that they dropped their XServe line
[12:51] <jgould> From what I heard they didn't make any money on them
[12:54] <jgould> Also, something intersting about the Mac OS, I added my NFS exports from my server and while I have write access to what I should have write access to in Ubunut, I don't have write access from within the Mac OS
[14:01] <bioterror> jgould, sounds sad, but still there's business users, but ofcourse you can rip more money with iGadgets and other consumer stuff
 Why asume I'm a mister?      Answer: Because your Real Name field is set to Joshua Gould, and not many girls are named Joshua.
[14:50] <jgould> jmarsden: that doesn't necessarly mean anything...
[14:51] <jmarsden> jgould: since it matches your bick, it is a fairly good indicator...
[14:51] <jmarsden> *nick...
[14:52] <jgould> True.
[14:52] <jgould> I'm just trying to prove a point,  you shouldn't assume
[14:52] <SpaceBack> Hi !
[14:53] <bioterror> hi
[14:53] <jmarsden> I'm just answering your question :)
[14:53] <jgould> Heh
[14:53] <jgould> I know
[14:53] <jgould> I'm also in a goofy mood and half asleep
[14:53] <bioterror> jmarsden, what if she's a U2 fan and likes name Joshua!
[14:53] <bioterror> and thinks Bono is Gold
[14:54] <SpaceBack>  i nees some help setting up my printer on lubuntu 11.04.It's the samsung 2010.I tryed using the ppd file from openprinting that worked on ubuntu,but i just can get it right.Do someone know how to do this?
[14:54] <jmarsden> bioterror: I didn't say it was a perfect or 100% reliable indicator ...
[14:55] <bioterror> jmarsden, I offerend another point of view ;)
[14:55] <bioterror> -n
[14:55] <bioterror> should not be any different from ubuntu
[14:55] <bioterror> same gnome-printing-software there is
[14:56] <SpaceBack> yeah but it's still not working
[14:56] <SpaceBack> i even update cups,but still no result
[14:56] <SpaceBack> *d
[14:59] <SpaceBack> anyone ?
[14:59] <bioterror> I'm about to leave work
[14:59] <bioterror> otherwise I would like to help and assist
[14:59] <SpaceBack> ok no problem
[15:00] <SpaceBack> it's a storm coming up,so i will leave for sometime :D
[15:00] <jmarsden> I'm doing tech support for work as I type... not really available, sorry...
[15:00] <bioterror> maybe later ;)
[15:01] <SpaceBack> ok :_
[15:01] <SpaceBack> :)
[15:03] <jgould> Gah... Stupid trackpad
[15:45] <john_rambo> PC boots from the Lubuntu CD ..... but when I select an item & press Enter Keyboard Hangs .....It stays like that
[15:51] <jgratero> what is the system monitor for Lubuntu?
[15:52] <Onions> lxtask
[15:52] <Onions> it is custom made, by the guy who made lxde
[15:53] <jgratero> thanks
[15:53] <Onions> you are welcome
[15:53] <jgratero> via terminal, right?
[15:54] <Onions> there is a frontend
[15:54] <Onions> it appears in the menu as system monitor
[15:54] <jgratero> I've found it
[15:54] <jgratero> thanks again
[15:54] <Onions> (mine is in spanish, it says "administrador de tareas", it should be task manager, i guess)
[15:55] <Onions> ah, ok
[16:00] <SpaceBack> Hi !
[16:02] <SpaceBack> i have problems setting up my printer(samsung ml 2010),i tryed it with the ppd file from openprinting that worked in ubuntu,kubuntu and mepis.But it just wont work.
[16:03] <SpaceBack> it's lubuntu 11/04
[16:07] <SpaceBack> someone ?
[16:13] <jgratero> Question: when you want to use root or administrator rights, would it be the same as in ubuntu, gksu nautilus (in lubuntu, gksu pcmanfm)?
[16:13] <hilkhf> How can I make Lubuntu on a Persistence USB flashdrive?
[16:14] <SpaceBack> Hi,again
[16:14] <tenach> Hello!
[16:15] <jgratero> this is for ubuntu, but I guess is useful as well https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:15] <SpaceBack> can someone help me with my printer problem ?
[16:17] <jgratero> when you plug the printer, is not recognized by the system?
[16:17] <SpaceBack> no i even tryed it with the ppd file from openprinting
[16:18] <SpaceBack> but its still not working
[16:18] <jgratero> you mean ppa?
[16:18] <SpaceBack> yeah,thats the file :D
[16:19] <SpaceBack> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-ML-2010
[16:20] <SpaceBack> no its still ppd
[16:20] <hilkhf> Can anyone watch videos (like Youtube) using Lubuntu?
[16:21] <SpaceBack> yes,just install flash plugin with synaptic
[16:21] <hilkhf> Thanks
[16:25] <jgratero> spaceback, check this out
[16:25] <jgratero> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65111
[16:27] <SpaceBack> jgratero thx,but i cant find the 4500 printer on the list
[16:28] <jgratero> let me check
[16:32] <SpaceBack> i;m trying the splix driver now
[16:37] <jgratero> Can't find anything... Anyway, that post points to a solution without the driver
[16:39] <SpaceBack> jgratero i did it !! :D i just used the splix driver from openprinting and just added my printer using cups :DDD
[16:40] <jgratero> congrats!
[16:40] <SpaceBack> thx :D just one more question
[16:41] <SpaceBack> how to install skype because i couldnt do it with the deb package from skype.com
[16:41] <SpaceBack> and how to see if my video card is on
[16:42] <jgratero> what skype deb did you use?
[16:44] <SpaceBack> ubuntu 10.04+
[16:44] <tenach> SpaceBack: It should work; I just installed it (again) yesterday from their website.  Make sure you're grabbing the correct one (32bit vs. 64bit) for your machine.
[16:45] <SpaceBack> i will try it again in a few seconds,because i;m install libreoffice know i i will let you know
[16:47] <SpaceBack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_usl6i9IY&feature=share :D
[16:53] <SpaceBack> chrome says(again) that the package that i'm downloading can harm my comp.
[16:53] <SpaceBack> its the skype ubuntu 10.04+ 32 deb package
[16:58] <tenach> SpaceBack: That is a pretty normal thing for Chromium to caution about.
[16:58] <tenach> SpaceBack: It should give you an option to continue with the download - it is a safe application.
[17:03] <SpaceBack> tenach i had a feeling that chromium wasn't really downloading the file,because it just stoped the download after just a few seconds but showed me that it downloaded correctly.I installed firefox and downloaded the file and installed it.Everthing went just fine
[17:03] <Onionhead> Hi, could someone recomend me a screenshot program for lubuntu?
[17:03] <bioterror> Onionhead, press print screen
[17:03] <Onionhead> I need to take screenshots of a single program, not the whole desktop
[17:03] <bioterror> it will pop up into your ~/
[17:03] <bioterror> scrot should be installed
[17:03] <bioterror> man scrot
[17:05] <tenach> SpaceBack: That is quite odd.
[17:05] <Onionhead> if I press print screen, i get the screenshot of the whole area, i only need to get a screen shot of a single program
[17:06] <Onionhead> hi bioterror , yesterday the install went fine, it was the ram after all. One of the modules was loose
[17:06] <bioterror> I read
[17:06] <SpaceBack> tenach after i installed skype i had to change skype.desktop file in usr/share/applications so that it starts with this command LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[17:07] <SpaceBack> but now i cant start skype from the menu,but when i enter the command in terminal it starts normaly
[17:07] <ubuntu_> I can't connect using wireless with Lubuntu
[17:08] <ubuntu_> Any idea how to fix it?
[17:08] <SpaceBack> tenach this is the file i edited [Desktop Entry] Name=Skype Comment=Skype Internet Telephony Exec=LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype Icon=skype.png Terminal=0 Type=Application Encoding=UTF-8 Categories=Network;Application;
[17:08] <ubuntu_> I'm running Lubuntu on  a Live Persistent USB
[17:08] <ubuntu_> flash drive
[17:10] <bioterror> ubuntu_, can you see your wlan0 wit ifconfig -command?
[17:11] <ubuntu_> How do I execute the command?
[17:11] <ubuntu_> I know I use Terminal
[17:11] <ubuntu_> But I don't know the syntax
[17:11] <SpaceBack> open the terminal and just copy/paste
[17:12] <Onionhead> i will use the xfce screenshot tool
[17:12] <ubuntu_> This is what I entered-    wlan0 wit ifconfig -command
[17:12] <Onionhead> thanks
[17:12] <ubuntu_> nothing happens.
[17:13] <SpaceBack> ifconfig wlan0
[17:14] <ubuntu_> Results- wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[17:15] <bioterror> okay
[17:15] <bioterror> what kind of wlan you have?
[17:15] <bioterror> usb? inside your computer?
[17:16] <ubuntu_> No idea
[17:16] <ubuntu_> I'm running Lubuntu on a persistent USB flashdrive
[17:16] <SpaceBack> ubuntu_ first suso apt-get install hwinfo
[17:16] <ubuntu_> Sudo
[17:16] <SpaceBack> then in terminal just thip hwinfo
[17:17] <SpaceBack> and find your wlan
[17:18] <ubuntu_> No command "thip"
[17:18] <SpaceBack> thip means write
[17:18] <SpaceBack> just write hwinfo
[17:18] <ubuntu_> You mean just put hwinfo into Terminal?
[17:18] <bioterror> type means write ;)
[17:19] <bioterror> ubuntu_, da
[17:19] <ubuntu_> Ok....got the results
[17:19] <ubuntu_> No what?
[17:20] <ubuntu_> Whoops.....Now what?
[17:20] <SpaceBack> now find your wlan card and copy the result
[17:26] <ubuntu_> I think this is it...
[17:26] <ubuntu_> 29: PCI 500.0: 0280 Network controller
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   [Created at pci.318]
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Unique ID: Ddhb.i2DS1IpFAv8
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Parent ID: CvwD.4SqtE6Cw8IA
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:05.0/0000:05:00.0
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SysFS BusID: 0000:05:00.0
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Hardware Class: network
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Model: "Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Vendor: pci 0x14e4 "Broadcom"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Device: pci 0x4311 "BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SubVendor: pci 0x14e4 "Broadcom"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   SubDevice: pci 0x0465
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Revision: 0x01
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Memory Range: 0xc0300000-0xc0303fff (rw,non-prefetchable)
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   IRQ: 17 (2593 events)
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Module Alias: "pci:v000014E4d00004311sv000014E4sd00000465bc02sc80i00"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Driver Info #0:
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Status: ssb is not active
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe ssb"
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Driver Info #1:
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Status: wl is active
[17:26] <ubuntu_>     Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe wl"
[17:26] <jgratero> ubuntu
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
[17:26] <jgratero> use pastebin
[17:26] <ubuntu_>   Attached to: #14 (PCI bridge)
[17:26] <SpaceBack> yeah now ask bioterror for more details :D
[17:27] <ubuntu_> http://pastebin.com/5TNHd3W3
[17:32] <ubuntu_> What now?
[17:36] <SpaceBack> jgratero what is the meaning of this http://pastebin.com/UpGxaxs0
[17:36] <jgratero> let me check
[17:37] <SpaceBack> i cant start skype after i edited the launcher in usr/share/applications
[17:37] <jgratero> is this what happens when you try to run skype?
[17:38] <SpaceBack> yes from terminal with this command
[17:38] <SpaceBack> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
[17:38] <jgratero> did you backup the previous launcher?
[17:39] <SpaceBack> no because i just edited one line
[17:40] <SpaceBack> jgratero here is the file http://pastebin.com/T9TgiFzC
[17:41] <jgratero> what number is the edited line?
[17:42] <SpaceBack> what do you mean with nubmer
[17:42] <SpaceBack> *number
[17:42] <SpaceBack> i used nano to edit the file
[17:42] <jgratero> what part of this text is the one you edited
[17:43] <SpaceBack> the one that starts with Exec
[17:45] <SpaceBack> that should be the line that starts the application
[17:52] <jgratero> give me a moment
[17:53] <jgratero> office duty :-P
[17:54] <SpaceBack> jgratero no problem i found a solution,look at this image http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wX5Byim-XEk/TbQNvn6es5I/AAAAAAAABDo/Epp65-cJ_TM/s400/skype.png
[17:54] <SpaceBack> i just rewrote it and it works now :D
[17:55] <jgratero> sweet
[17:56] <SpaceBack> the important thing is to add the last line :D StartupNotify=true :D
[17:56] <jgratero> :-)
[17:57] <SpaceBack> jgratero thank you for the help,i will visit this chat more often now :D
[17:57] <SpaceBack> see ya
[17:59] <jgratero> see ya dude
[18:19] <bioterror> kids kids kids
[18:20] <bioterror> next time: !paste | nick
[18:22] <SpaceBack> Hi,i just came again to give this tip
[18:22]  * bioterror is all ears
[18:22] <bioterror> and eyes!
[18:23] <SpaceBack> after i installed my video card i destroyed my plymouth
[18:23] <bioterror> suprise
[18:23] <bioterror> plymouth makes me sad
[18:23] <SpaceBack> so i found this tutorial http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[18:23] <SpaceBack> and it works great now
[18:24] <SpaceBack> i used the 1366x768 resolutin like in the tutorial
[18:24] <SpaceBack> *o
[18:24] <bioterror> television resolution
[18:26] <SpaceBack> yeah i anted to try 1920x1080 but it works great now so i dont want to change it
[18:26] <SpaceBack> *w
[18:30] <SpaceBack> i changed now to 1920x1440 and it still works great
[19:02] <soapee01> howdy, runing natty lubuntu. Trying to get gnome nanny to run, but it won't start (nanny-admin-console).  getting GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL errors in .xsession-errors, and lot's of ENOENT (No such file or directory) in strace. I think a gnome package might not be listed as a dependency, but not being a gnome guy, not sure which one.  Any advice on where to look further?
[19:16] <SpaceBack> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ&feature=related
[20:32] <tenach> o/
[20:34] <Unit193> Howdy tenach
[20:36] <tenach> hallo Unit193
[20:49] <SpaceBack> lubuntu is great !!!! :D
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> How can I easily start a terminal command? gtk-redshift -l 52:4.5 is the command
[21:33] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, gtk-redshift is installed
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> Anyone? ;) Don't worry, I don't bite
[22:39] <Thraspic> I have a mystery to solve.  I'm trying to figure out how to reload the lxpanel config file, just so changes to the config file ('panel') will be updated, similar to "REload COnfig Files" in Openbox.  Stopping and starting lxde with the kill command is not what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions?
[22:48] <Thraspic> I will pay $75 US dollars for an answer.  I won't pay it but that doesn't mean you can't issue me and bill and then sue when I don't pay.
[22:48] <Thraspic> *the bill.


[00:39] <matejj> hi
[00:40] <matejj> is there a way to add an "open private window" command when right clicking my preferred web browser similar to how Firefox has it?
[01:55] <samuelob> Im running Ubuntu mate 17.10 in gnome boxes and I can't seem to get a 1366x768 res..any idea?...
[01:56] <samuelob> I have installed the spice vdagent and that has not solved the problem
[02:38] <teebiss> mate is the best flavor of ubuntu
[02:52] <muddi> hi
[03:02] <jcalvarado> hola amigos me podrian decir como instalar skype para ubunto mate i336
[03:18] <Menzador> jcalvarado: Actívase el repositorio "partner"
[08:12] <atl> u12345atl
[08:13] <atl> ubuntu12345atl
[08:13] <atl> baste re
[13:47] <faekjarz> Hi there! I'm testing the new 17.10 release in a VM (Virtualbox 5.0.40_Ubuntu r115130) on a 16.04 LTS with intel iGPU and gnome. The VM apparently tries and fails to switch to GUI mode. Now it just sits there blinking its cursor on blank screen. Any known issues with the Virtualbox graphics drivers, from the 17.10 repo (driver installer, via welcome screen)? First boot went fine, following boots with vbox graphics drivers fail.
[13:50] <m4t> faekjarz: you should be able to do alt+f1 to switch to a login prompt
[13:51] <m4t> maybe login and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:51] <m4t> if X is dying that might tell you why
[13:52] <nemo> faekjarz: btw... you said gnome
[13:52] <nemo> as in... gnome3? not mate?
[13:52] <nemo> just checking you are in the right channel 😝
[13:53] <m4t> vm is ubuntu-mate from what i understood
[13:53] <nemo> for one thing, gnome 3 requires acceleration, MATE it is optional (another reason MATE is better on VMs)
[13:53] <nemo> ok...
[13:53] <faekjarz> nemo: the bare metal host runs 16.04 gnome, the VM mate 17.10
[13:54] <m4t> also if alt-f1 doesn't work you could try cntrl+alt+f1
[13:58] <faekjarz> Xorg log says vboxvideo module does not exist. …i'll try (re-)installing it, maybe refreshing initrd
[14:00] <nemo> linux should work ok w/o extensions tho...
[14:08] <faekjarz> i installed virtualbox-guest-dkms, ran update-initramfs -ckall, reboot, works fine now (fine as in login GUI is present)
[16:33] <rooot> hi
[17:08] <luna__> Installing Ubuntu MATE on a pie here :)
[17:30] <naturally> what is a good gui tool to query+investigate an IP on your network?
[17:30] <naturally> i used to have one but cant remember the name
[17:31] <alkisg> nmap
[17:32] <naturally> yeah thats the one! :)
[17:33] <naturally> zenmap
[17:33] <naturally> thanks alkisg
[17:33] <alkisg> np
[18:40] <mate|37936> I am realy impressed about Ubuntu mate 17.10
[19:43] <mate|24363> hello everybody
[19:44] <diogenes_> hello
[19:59] <karjala_> hi
[19:59] <karjala_> diogenes_, you greek?
[20:00] <diogenes_> karjala_, I'd say I'm not linked to any nation, I'm a citizen of the planet Earth
[20:01] <karjala_> I'll say that to the tax man next time he bothers me
[20:02] <diogenes_> lol, first you have to get rid of dependency so nobody has influence over you and your life
[22:52] <santemanuele> Hello. Ciao.
[22:54] <santemanuele> I got this file PonyIsland.x86 in dunno what do of it
[23:07] <m4t> santemanuele: what does "file PonyIsland.x86" say?
[23:15] <santemanuele> PonyIsland.x86: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked
[23:15] <santemanuele> interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24, BuildID[sha1]=85df81ebc71c930ebbe8deeff9bf0e30f8971645, stripped
[23:20] <santemanuele> @m4t
[23:20] <m4t> oh, sorry
[23:20] <santemanuele> np
[23:20] <m4t> yeah it's just an .exe. however, it is 32-bit. are you on 64-bit ubuntu? if so, you might need to install the corresponding 32bit libs
[23:20] <santemanuele> 64
[23:20] <m4t> you can run: ldd PonyIsland.x86
[23:21] <m4t> it will show you which, if any, are missing
[23:21] <santemanuele> non è un eseguibile dinamico
[23:21] <m4t> oh hmm..
[23:21] <santemanuele> it's like it's not a dynamic executable
[23:21] <m4t> does /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exist?
[23:22] <m4t> you will need to do: apt-get install libc6-i386
[23:22] <m4t> and after that, you should be able to see which libraries are missing
[23:23] <m4t> then install them like: apt-get install somelibrary1:i386
[23:25] <m4t> if you're unsure which package supplies the missing libraries, you can use https://packages.ubuntu.com "Search the contents of packages"
[23:26] <m4t> or, install apt-file then run sudo apt-file update.
[23:26] <m4t> e.g.
[23:26] <m4t> matt@aquos:~$ apt-file search /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[23:26] <m4t> libc6-i386: /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[23:26] <santemanuele> ldlinux.so does't exist
[23:26] <m4t> yes so do the above steps
[23:27] <m4t> you're missing the i386 libs. it's a 32 bit program so needs 32 bit libs. they can be installed side-by-side on modern ubuntu/debian via what is called multiarch
[23:27] <m4t> (technical detail, don't need to know anything about multiarch to install/use the libs)
[23:37] <santemanuele> https://thepasteb.in/p/Z4hP9J4K78pTG
[23:37] <santemanuele> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf775b000) https://thepasteb.in/p/Q1hBj0A1909T8
[23:38] <santemanuele> sorry for make a mess with this message
[23:41] <m4t> apt-get install libgl1:i386 libx11-6:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxrandr2:i386 lib32stdc++6 lib32gcc1
[23:41] <m4t> that should do it i think...
[23:41] <m4t> untested of  course
[23:44] <m4t> https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ#Do_you_have_a_port_of_KVM_for_Windows.3F
[23:45] <m4t> er wrong channel sorry :)
[23:45] <santemanuele> np
[23:45] <santemanuele> Installing
[23:46] <santemanuele> @m4t how u get the the packages names??? From packages.ubuntu.com???
[23:46] <m4t> no like i said, with 'apt-file'
[23:47] <m4t> sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update
[23:47] <m4t> then for example, 'apt-file search libstdc++.so.6'
[23:47] <m4t> packages.ubuntu.com is basically the same thing, at least that part of the functionality
[23:48] <santemanuele> I didn't undestand that i have to installa apt-file. I just tryed to run it
[23:48] <m4t> o
[23:51] <santemanuele> Nice. The game start, show the Unity logo then closing
[23:53] <m4t> lol darn. well, can't help you there :|
[23:59] <santemanuele> I see. Thanks for all
[23:59] <m4t> np