[00:02] <DaSkreech> rickspencer31: I see your 31 and raise you 32
[00:03] <rickspencer31> me
[00:04] <rickspencer31> meh
[00:04] <rickspencer31> :)
[01:18] <Riddell> rgreening: what should I say about you in your MOTU application?
[01:19] <rgreening> well, the truth
[01:19] <rgreening> :)
[01:20] <Riddell> roderick likes Irn Bru, the man is faultless
[01:20] <rgreening> you sponsored some stuff (like Qt, some scim fixes, qtjambi, a bunch of update-notifier-kde updates and patches.
[01:20] <rgreening> lol
[01:20] <rgreening> bwahahahaha
[01:20] <rgreening> and hates american beer
[01:22] <rgreening> and I am definately not faultless, but very adept (pardon the packaging pun) at lerning to package
[01:25] <Riddell> shtylman: considered coming to UDS?
[01:26] <Riddell> nhandler: how about yourself?
[01:27] <Riddell> freeflying: we're all still waiting for you to come to a UDS
[01:27]  * vorian thinks nhandler may be a wee bit young yet.
[01:27] <Riddell> Fale: your blog should be up on planet now
[01:28] <ScottK> We've had young'uns at UDS before.
[01:28] <freeflying> Riddell: not sure if can I go :)
[01:29] <Riddell> how old is nhandler?
[01:30] <rgreening> Riddell: got muh stikahs in da mail! :)
[01:30] <rgreening> ty
[01:32] <maco> ScottK: how young?
[01:32] <ScottK> I know there was at least one 18 at Prague and I think one under 18.
[01:33] <Riddell> we've had 16 year olds at Akademy, that's fine in Scotland
[01:33] <ScottK> pochu would be the one in question and I think he was under 18.
[01:34] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure robert carr was 16 when he first came to UDS, although his parents were somewhere (dunno why, I went travelling around all over at 16)
[01:36] <maco> heh i went to the UK when i was 11 without my parents
[01:37] <Tonio_> glatzor: there is a little issue with packagekit (ftbfs for i386, due to s/site-packages/dist-packages)
[01:38] <Tonio_> glatzor: I'm not at all in python2.6 transitions issue so I dunno what's the best...
[01:38] <maco> i'm filling out the uds sponsorship thing right now...and going  "um...well i'm learning about this stuff...but im still not good at it...umm..oh dear..."
[01:38]  * ScottK went on a SCUBA diving trip in the Bahamas when he was 13.  There are still things his parents didn't hear about that trip.
[01:38] <Tonio_> glatzor: in any case the fact it goes a different folder for amd64 vs i386 is weird...
[01:38] <shtylman> Riddell: UDS?
[01:38] <Tonio_> anyone has infos on the issues towards to python ?
[01:38] <ScottK> Tonio_: What's the problem?
[01:39] <Riddell> shtylman: Ubuntu summit, a week in Barcelona all expenses paid for those who get sponsorship, in return for long days of discussion about the next six months in Ubuntu land
[01:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: python files installation path is different with amd64 and i386.... the result is a superb ftbfs for i386 btw :)
[01:39] <Riddell> shtylman: this has the how to apply for sponsorship link http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/19/announcing-the-karmic-koala-ubuntu-developer-summit/
[01:39] <ScottK> Weird.  Where's the package?
[01:39] <maco> or just go http://summit.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: https://edge.launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive/ppa
[01:40] <ScottK> maco: Did you apply?
[01:40] <seele> maco: did you say you were accepted?
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: the change seems normal, so the ftbfs is normal I'd say :)
[01:40] <maco> no im applying
[01:40] <maco> acceptance doesnt happen yet
[01:40] <seele> ah
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: the point is that it should have fail for all arch
[01:40] <seele> maco: you better do that soon, it's due wednesday
[01:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's what looses me....
[01:40] <Riddell> danimo_: qt-creator in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-creator/1.0.0-0ubuntu1
[01:41] <Tonio_> ScottK: lemme guess.... python packages are arch all right ?
[01:41] <ScottK> Often
[01:41] <ScottK> Which whould explain it.
[01:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: they shouldn't be built on amd64, that would explain :)
[01:42] <Riddell> fabo: qt-creator there if you're interested in it
[01:42] <Tonio_> ScottK: yup.... let's try to fix and upload then
[01:42] <maco> is this the difference between "arch: any" and "arch: all"?
[01:42] <shtylman> Riddell: cool, I would like to go, my only concern is that I havn't done enough work yet to get sponsorship
[01:43] <maco> shtylman: do you still feel like duckiing behind a chair when you pop your head up in some developer areas too?
[01:44] <seele> maco: hah.. how do you think i feel at those things? :P
[01:44] <Riddell> shtylman: only way to find out is to apply :)
[01:44] <shtylman> maco: yea...yea...I think I do.. :)
[01:44] <shtylman> Riddell: true...
[01:45] <maco> i think i was a member of ubuntu-devel mailing list for a few months before saying anything. and ive only ever sent one message to alsa-devel because they're upstream and upstream's automatically scarier (to me) than ubuntu
[01:45] <Riddell> maco: any builds on any arch, all builds once and the same package is used on all arches.  use 'all' for arch independeny packages (data, non-binary python)
[01:46] <shtylman> maco: yea...I know the feeling... I finally just bit the bullet and started posting and asking questions...figured I would look dumb at first but learn soon enough
[01:46] <maco> Riddell: so is that difference what you're running into right now?
[01:46] <Riddell> maco: what am I running into?
[01:47] <maco> Riddell: er..."you"-plural. but Tonio_ really. i meant is any v. all the source of the problem with whatever package he's talking about
[01:47] <ScottK> Tonio_: I just tossed a possible (untested) fix at my PPA.  We'll see if it sticks.
[01:48] <Tonio_> maco:
[01:48] <Tonio_> oops... ScottK, there is no doubt, the issue's there :)
[01:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've uploaded the fix to the packagekit ppa, and then when it works, I'll upload to the archives...
[01:49] <ScottK> The same fix I uploaded?
[01:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: I haven't seen your fix but if that's a sed -i "s/site-packages/dist-packages/" debian/python-packagekit.install
[01:52] <Tonio_> ScottK: then yes, we have the same fix, I guess :)
[01:53] <ScottK> That probably won't do it as 2.5 is still site-packages.
[01:53] <ScottK> *-packages ...
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: well... if we depend on python2.6, that should be fine no ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: you mean for easier backports ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> why not, indeed...
[01:54] <Tonio_> I thought about that, but prefered the "dist" way :)
[01:55] <ScottK> Are you building for both supported versions?
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: we just build against python 2.6 afaics
[01:55] <ScottK> OK.  Then that should work.
[01:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah, it only build-deps on python-dev
[01:56] <Tonio_> should be okay I think
[01:56] <ScottK> Generally we want bindings for all supported pythons
[01:57] <freeflying> Tonio_: any progress on redraw issue?
[01:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, I would of course agree, but that's probably to discuss with glatzor... he might have reasons not to do that, dunno...
[02:00] <maco> hey where are the kmail imap users? after today's updates does kmail turn the cursor into a "wait" spinner and then just hang until you force quit?
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: I use kmail with imap, but disconnected imap
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: I didn't notice any issue on that point...
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: are you using regular imap ?
[02:01] <maco> the kmail gui also turns into "well im a blank window with a title bar...do i still count as an application?" when i tell it to reply all
[02:01] <Tonio_> maco: feel free to report a bug on that point, btw :)
[02:01] <maco> oh umthat wait spinner is only for after i hit reply all. its fine til i get to that point
[02:02] <Tonio_> maco: hum that sounds rude... using jaunty of intrepid ?
[02:02] <maco> jaunty
[02:02] <maco> which is why i ask here instead of #kubuntu
[02:02] <maco> (figure #ubuntu+1 is mostly gnome users)
[02:02] <Tonio_> maco: two possibilities
[02:03] <Tonio_> 1/ global and reproductible issue...
[02:03] <Tonio_> 2/ crappy cache
[02:03] <Tonio_> maco: have you tried going with a clean config and set your imap account ?
[02:04] <Tonio_> maco: no kdepim update since 02/20 so I'd go with option 2....
[02:04] <Tonio_> but this sounds bad if the cache still can get corrupted, that used to happen sometimes with kde3 kmail...
[02:05] <maco> there was a libc6 update...
[02:06] <ScottK> maco: Are you on IPv6 by chance?
[02:06] <maco> it told me it had to restart kdm, so i stopped kdm from a tty, installed updates, and restarted kdm
[02:06] <maco> ScottK: no
[02:06] <maco> after i restarted kdm, i cant do "reply to all"
[02:06] <ScottK> IIRC there were some IPv6 related changes.
[02:07] <Tonio_> ScottK: hum, yeah but that shouldn't, afaik, hand kmail when clicking "reply all" right ? ;)
[02:07] <ScottK> Since she's not using IPv6 no, but if there's some network lookup invovled perhaps.
[02:07]  * ScottK doesn't recall exactly where IMAP finds stuff
[02:08]  * ScottK confesses to grasping a straws there.
[02:08] <maco> ScottK: i havent figured out how to setup ipv6 yet, and while i'll be at jsklein's tomorrow (if you see any ipv6 bugs, subscribe him, by the way), he has ipv6 already so that wont help me configure my laptop for when i want my own v6 tunnel over a v4 net
[02:09] <dtchen_> IPv6 changes in any resolver really need a reboot.
[02:09] <maco> i say to subscribe him because he's a member of the ipv6 taskforce that told jcastro he'd take the ipv6 bugs since ubuntu is his test environment and it's in his best interest to make sure it works well on ubuntu
[02:09] <maco> bah ok ill try rebooting then see if i can reply
[02:09] <Riddell> shtylman: deadline is day after tomorrow so don't delay if you want to come
[02:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: My version built.
[02:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: nice :) I'm waiting for the ppa to start now...
[02:13] <ScottK> Tonio_: All I did was /site-packages/*-packages/ in debian/python-packagekit.install
[02:14] <ScottK> No need to fiddle the upstream build system.
[02:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: well my fix is almost the same... should work too
[02:17] <rgreening> scottk: i did that in one of the jaunty kde 4.2.1 updates as well :) ha
[02:20] <maco> dtchen_: you're smart.
[02:20] <dtchen_> no, i'm dtchen_
[02:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: Also there's no need to build-dep on both python and python-dev.
[02:26] <ScottK> python-dev includes python
[02:26] <shtylman> Riddell: k, I will give it a shot, thanks
[02:26] <Tonio_> ScottK: well.... I know that :)
[02:26] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'm testing to see if it will build for all supported Python's now.
[02:26] <ScottK> Well fix it then.
[02:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: feel free to send a debdiff to glatzor :)
[02:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: or I'll do it tomorrow, but it's *really* for me to go sleep now :)
[02:27] <ScottK> OK.  Good night.
[02:28] <x-f> Can i ask here a littel kate Problem? -> After the last update from kate i have this problem (kate 4:4.2.0-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 ). Every file open in a new window...
[02:28] <x-f> hi ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> 3h37 here.... and I wake up at 7 :/
[02:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: but I'll push a fix tomorrow then
[02:28] <ScottK> OK.  I'll have results for if it can support all pythons by then too.
[02:28] <ScottK> Tonio_: Just remember: Sleep is for the weak.
[02:29] <dtchen_> Tonio_: i'll trade you. i'll probably be up til 0100 doing alsa and pulseaudio fixes, and i have to be awake at 0430 to catch the train to work.
[02:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> dtchen_: ouch.....
[02:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: then, just right now, believe me, I'm proud of my weakness :)
[02:30] <ScottK> ;-)
[02:31] <x-f> can anybody help me? ;)
[02:32] <shtylman> maybe :)
[02:33] <shtylman> x-f: #kubuntu would probly be a better place to ask, but does that happen when opening from within kate? or just double clicking in the file manager?
[02:34] <x-f> Filemanager(Dolphin) and Krusader (I tried kubuntu channel, but everybody spamm in that channel ;) )
[02:36] <shtylman> x-f: IIRC that is the correct behavior...when you click on a file in dolphin it will open a new instance of kate...are you looking to change it so it doesn't?
[02:37] <x-f> yes, before that update always opened in the same window
[02:37] <x-f> i don't find any setting for that
[02:39] <x-f> shtylman: i tried everything, normal i search in google... but i found no solution to this problem
[02:43] <shtylman> x-f: open system settings -> file assiciations
[02:44] <shtylman> x-f: search for 'plain' and click on it under text
[02:44] <shtylman> x-f: in application preference select 'Kate' and click edit...then in the application tab click advanced options
[02:45] <x-f> big thx ;)
[02:45] <shtylman> x-f: under advanced options in DBUS registration change to Single instance
[02:45] <shtylman> x-f: np
[02:46] <ScottK> rgreening: I see you're a member of the packagekit team.  If I give you a Python improvemet debdiff would you put it in their PPA?
[02:47] <rgreening> I wouldn. not yet approved
[02:47] <rgreening> I applied
[02:47] <ScottK> Right.  Sorry .   Misread the page.
[02:48] <rgreening> np. I would though, if I could
[02:48] <ScottK> Doesn't look like any who are likely awake ATM.
[02:49] <x-f> good night alreday 4:00 ;)
[02:49] <rgreening> Tonio_: could have
[02:49] <ScottK> Yep.
[02:49] <rgreening> lol
[03:23] <dtchen_> maco: RE: v6 - straightforward, actually.
[03:24] <maco> what?
[03:24] <maco> woah
[03:24] <maco> youre on v6
[03:24] <dtchen> maco: you're on jaunty, so it's incredibly straightforward. $install miredo, connect to ipv6.chat.us.freenode.net
[03:24] <maco> i was trying to set up a hurricane electric tunnel
[03:25] <maco> the v4 nat was killing it
[03:25] <dtchen> i just backported libcap2 and miredo to hardy
[03:25] <dtchen> works dandy
[03:26] <dtchen_> oh, you probably want to adjust /etc/default/ufw:^IPV6=
[03:26] <dtchen_> (needs to be "YES")
[03:27] <maco> right right
[03:54] <ScottK> dtchen_: That sounds like something useful to do as an official backport.
[03:55] <dtchen_> ScottK: lock-step, however: libcap2 needs to be backported first, and miredo requires libcap2-dev as a build-dependency.
[03:56] <ScottK> dtchen_: OK.  Ping me when you're ready for approvals.
[03:56] <dtchen_> ok
[03:56] <maco> and irssi on jaunty with miredo is not working for me -_- though ipv6.google.com is dandy
[04:06] <Fale> Riddell: you are awesome :)
[04:14] <ScottK> maco: Thanks for your comments on pidgin in Kubuntu.  I think it's fostering some useful discussion.
[04:22] <nhandler> Riddell: To answer your question, I'm not going to UDS. I probably won't make it out to one for a few more years (unless we get it in Chicago ;) )
[04:32] <maco> ScottK: its annoying me!
[04:32] <ScottK> maco: Do you have pidgin-libnotify?
[04:32] <maco> yes
[04:32] <maco> and its enabled
[04:32] <ScottK> And libnotify1?
[04:33] <maco> yes
[04:33] <maco> and its being ignored in favor of notify-osd
[04:33] <maco> because i have both
[04:33] <ScottK> So what if you remove notify-osd?
[04:33] <maco> testing...
[04:35] <maco> ><
[04:35] <ScottK> nhandler: What's the problem with traveling?  Parents?
[04:35] <maco> i removed notify-osd and i STILL see canonical-style notifications
[04:35] <ScottK> Did you stop it too?
[04:35] <maco> (btw im in gnome right now so that pidgin is usable)
[04:35] <maco> oh
[04:35] <nhandler> scottk: Mainly. I also have school
[04:36] <nhandler> I'm going to bed. I'm still a little tired from traveling
[04:37] <maco> ok ive stopped notify-osd as well and restarted pidgin
[04:37] <maco> no libnotify notification
[04:37] <maco> like, i have libnotify stuff all installed and enabled, but its not doing anything
[04:37] <ScottK> Sounds like a bug then.  Please file it.
[04:37] <ScottK> And follow up to the ML thread with it.
[04:39] <maco> ok
[05:02] <maco> ScottK: any idea how long until my posts to -devel stop having to go to moderation? i was under the impression that wannabe-developers could get out of the "must be moderated" list after a while
[05:02] <ScottK> I suspect it take asking.
[05:02] <ScottK> I was already a MOTU when they split the lists, so no personal experience at all.
[05:02] <ScottK> take/takes
[08:14] <fabo> Riddell: qtcreator/ubuntu based on mine ?
[08:15] <fabo> (mine is on alioth since january)
[08:25] <fabo> Riddell: after reading your thread about phonon, it seems phonon should be built with Qt. it remains xine backend issue to resolve
[08:43] <doc___> morning
[10:00] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll probably upload packagekit/kpackagekit to the archives toonight
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: yay
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ;)
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to work well for me
[11:49] <glatzor> thank for the ftbs fix, Tonio_
[11:50] <Tonio_> yw :)
[11:54] <Riddell> good morning bothorsen
[11:55] <bothorsen> Riddell: Good afternoon :-)
[11:55] <Riddell> bothorsen: welcome to Kubuntu!
[11:57]  * seele yawns
[11:57] <seele> ugh, my clock is wrong, it's not even 7 yet
[11:57] <Riddell> bothorsen: feel free to introduce yourself :)
[11:57] <Riddell> seele: go back to sleep!
[11:57] <bothorsen> Riddell: Thanks :)
[11:58]  * bothorsen is a Qt/KDE coder and I will be working with the Canonical Desktop Experience (TM, I think) team on KDE and Kubuntu
[11:59] <seele> Riddell: i can't, tea is steeping and i've got prepare for class
[11:59]  * smarter waves
[11:59] <smarter> bothorsen: welcome! :) Is any of your Qt/KDE work available on the net?
[12:00] <bothorsen> smarter: I used to work a lot on KMail for the Kolab project
[12:00] <bothorsen> Also some work on KAddressBook and KOrganizer
[12:01] <bothorsen> And the odd bits here and there on the libraries, but I have always been more focused on the applications
[12:01] <seele> bothorsen: were you in akademy last year?
[12:01] <smarter> seems cool :)
[12:01] <bothorsen> seele: No, unfortunately not
[12:02] <bothorsen> seele: I read your blog about the notifications - I'll be working on those
[12:03] <seele> bothorsen: hopefully it will be a good time :)
[12:03] <Riddell> bothorsen: do you know where to start?
[12:03] <bothorsen> seele: I hope so - and I'm sure we will figure out to do it in a way that the KDE and Kubuntu teams are happy with
[12:04] <Riddell> lots of tickboxes for configuration :)
[12:04] <bothorsen> Riddell: Right now I'm reading about all the different notification implementations we have in KDE, GNOME and freedesktop
[12:05] <Riddell> ooh politial minefield at the first step :)
[12:05] <Riddell> there's no such thing as freedesktop notifications, there's just the galago/gnome ones that cheekily use the freedesktop namespace
[12:05] <Riddell> but hopefully you can help get the KDE and Gnome stuff into a freedesktop happy spec and have notifications that work across desktops
[12:06] <bothorsen> Riddell: Exactly
[12:07] <Riddell> bothorsen: you might want to say hi on #plasma when you get a chance, get that upstream relations thing going sooner rather than later
[12:07] <bothorsen> Riddell: Will do, thanks for the hint
[12:08] <davidbarth> bothorsen: ouch, remember, galago hijacked the namespace ;)
[12:08] <bothorsen> davidbarth: Yes
[12:08] <davidbarth> org.freedesktop.VisualNotifications may be an FD.o standard at some point
[12:10] <Riddell> bothorsen: stuff I'd most like to see is the KDE/Gnome talking together, the message indicator as a systray plasmoid (may want to investigate sebas's lionmail there too), having notifications good enough for use by amarok (needs images for album covers) and having it work for volume and brightness up/down in a similar nice way as ubuntu now has
[12:10] <Riddell> of course other Kubuntu folks will have different ideas and priorities, as will your DX and UX teammates
[12:13] <bothorsen> Riddell: Right now, I'm still focused on trying to come up with a plan that will satisfy as many people as possible and offer a way forward
[12:14] <seele> bothorsen: two people to ping about notifications: aseigo about the fdo spec and sebas about the display
[12:15] <seele> i think sebas had the most interest in the display because of the widget he is currently working on
[12:15] <bothorsen> seele: Thanks for the hints
[12:15]  * seaLne suggests locking some gnomes and gearheads in a bof room at gcds to discuss notifications
[12:15] <bothorsen> I know sebas has been in touch with some people from our team
[12:16] <seele> yep
[12:16] <bothorsen> I'm just reading the stuff on the net before asking them - would be rude to do it the other way
[12:21] <ScottK> bothorsen: We currently have some bugs with respect to the current KDE notifications.  Would you be able to help out with those?
[12:21] <ScottK> bothorsen: Welcome (BTW)
[12:21] <bothorsen> ScottK: Thanks :)
[12:22] <bothorsen> ScottK: That might be a good way in to the current code, but it will probably take a couple of days before I'm there
[12:22] <ScottK> Of course.
[12:41] <seele> time for traffic..
[12:53] <ScottK> I'm really interested in seeing how Qt 4.5 final does on the ports archs.  RC1 wasn't so great.
[13:21] <Riddell> fabo: didn't see you  had creator packages, where's that?
[13:51] <seele> leaving early has pros and cons. it takes way less time but makes my day much longer
[14:35] <Quintasan> Hi!
[14:37] <fabo> Riddell: on alioth ~. I sent the link to rgreening when i prepared qt 4.5 snapshots.
[14:37] <fabo> Riddell: my package is a bit different, it's splitted in 2 => creator and -plugins
[14:39] <Riddell> fabo: did you get the .desktop and mime files?
[14:40] <fabo> Riddell: no, not in my snapshot from git (1.0.0 wip).
[14:41] <fabo> i except an 1.0.0 upload tonight
[14:41] <Riddell> fabo: they're not included in the upstream source for some reason, you can grab them from my package
[14:41] <fabo> ok, thks
[14:42] <fabo> btw, i'll grab whatever i can from your package :)
[14:43] <fabo> Riddell: i have uploaded kile 2.1.0~svn , the current kubuntu guy need to merge at least the recommends
[14:44]  * Riddell wonders who that is
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: ^
[14:44] <fabo> Andreas Wenning
[14:45] <fabo> :)
[14:50] <rgreening> heya fabo
[14:51] <a|wen> fabo: you've uploaded to debian right?
[14:56] <fabo> a|wen: yes
[14:56] <fabo> rgreening: hi :)
[14:57] <fabo> a|wen: in experimental, until some minor issue are fixed like icons, etc...
[14:57] <a|wen> fabo: cool ... i'll look at merging (as long as yours are better ;) )
[14:57] <a|wen> fabo: yeah... there is one or two missing icons
[14:58] <fabo> héhé
[14:58] <a|wen> fabo: but not that many icons, right?
[14:59] <fabo> yeah, afair new project icon and kile icon in about dialog
[15:00] <fabo> probably another one in kile settings
[15:00] <a|wen> fabo: about that ... though i have the kile icon in the about dialog
[15:00] <a|wen> fabo: do you have a link, not in the archive yet...
[15:00] <fabo> upstream shoukd review doc/translations build process and drop their own macro
[15:01] <fabo> ah right it's in NEW (kile-doc)
[15:02] <fabo> a|wen: move your mouse over kile icon in help menu/about kile
[15:02] <a|wen> fabo: right ... the cmakelist is still not perfect
[15:02] <a|wen> hmm ... nothing happens on mouse over; should there
[15:04] <fabo> strange (btw, i don't have it under current box)
[15:04] <fabo> a|wen: you can get debian dir on pkg-kde svn
[15:04] <fabo> kde-extras/kile/branches/experimental
[15:08] <Quintasan> hmm, are there any plasmoids in repos which are written in python? I want to make a one but I dont know how to deal with py scripts
[15:10] <a|wen> fabo: cool ... i'll look at a merge, and see if i have any comments
[15:16] <Riddell> Quintasan: ask _Sime
[15:18] <Sput> huh looks like apachelogger has even shut down his quasselcore user
[15:19] <Sput> either that, or we broke something
[15:19] <jussi01> Sput: I blame EgS! :P
[15:29] <EgS> jussi01: I just noticed that I cant release the new backend until in about 3 months or so
[15:29] <jussi01> oh?
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: You could take a look at the scripted plasmoid section of kde-look
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Since scripted plasmoids are platform-independent and downloadable via Get Hot New Stuff we don't package them
[15:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: thanks,  I would waste my precious time :3
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=198
[15:48] <Tm_T> time to build Qt 4.5 final ->
[15:52]  * Riddell buiding it
[15:52] <rgreening> Riddell: qt 4.5.0 released. I'll update the package and will require sponsoring when done...
[15:53] <rgreening> oh... you building it Riddell
[15:53] <rgreening> dam... lol
[15:54] <Riddell> rgreening: 4.2.1, koffice beta something and that new amarok all still to be done
[15:54]  * Quintasan wonders is there anything that he can do left
[15:54] <rgreening> Quintasan: ^
[15:54] <Quintasan> amarok, hmm
[15:55] <rgreening> Riddell: im not familiar with the koffice at all.
[15:55] <rgreening> still working on kde 4.2.1
[15:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: amarok from SVN?
[15:58] <kwwii> Riddell: btw, there were some problems with the new usplash design so things are still up in the air, I am thinking of you though :)
[15:59] <fabo> Riddell: have you changed anything on phonon (related to the thread) ?
[16:07] <Riddell> thanks kwwii
[16:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: no
[16:07] <Riddell> fabo: no I'
[16:08] <Riddell> fabo: no I'd prefer to leave it until karmic, after feature freeze probably not a good time for these things
[16:08] <fabo> ok
[16:19] <Tm_T> kwwii: has sabdfl mentioned about new graphics boot method?
[16:22] <kwwii> Tm_T: erm, you mean the usplash?
[16:22] <Tm_T> hmmm, I thought there was mention about new way to do it or so in Karmic post
[16:22] <kwwii> ahh, plymouth
[16:22] <kwwii> that is for +1
[16:23] <kwwii> yes, we have discussed this at length
[16:23] <Tm_T> kwwii: ah, roger, let's see what spoon I(/we) get in that soup
[16:50] <Riddell> fabo: my quick update of qt copyright file http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/copyright
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: the file mention "namespace Phonon {
[16:53] <smarter>     class AudioOutput;
[16:53] <smarter> }
[16:53] <smarter> oops
[16:53] <smarter> wrong paste :p
[16:53] <fabo> Riddell: thks :)
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: the file mention " a Trolltech GPL exception" but then the text is: "    Nokia Qt LGPL Exception version 1.0
[16:57] <fabo> Riddell: related to copyright, i have 2 bug reports #508190 and #500905. Qt isn't triple licensed => QPL--
[17:04] <Riddell> fabo: I expect dropping the QPL is deliberate, they've been wanting to get rid of it for ages
[17:06] <Riddell> yeah, must be
[17:08] <fabo> Riddell: I'll add something like "since qt 4.4, qt is dual licensed gpl-2 / gpl-3"
[17:09] <fabo> or do you prefer "since qt4.4, qt isn't licensed under qpl anymore" ?
[17:09] <fabo> (i'm not english native so ... :)=
[17:10] <Riddell> fabo: second one better (it's tripple licenced if you include the proprietry licence)
[17:13] <fabo> ok
[17:18] <seele> ~twitter update finally figured out how to use pspp
[17:18] <kubotu> status updated
[17:19] <markey> meh, this evtouch driver is hard to get to run on ubuntu
[17:19]  * markey produced EPIC FAIL so far
[17:20] <markey> now I got some instructions from the touch screen manufacturer
[17:20] <markey> they say to add a line to the ServerLayout section in xorg.conf
[17:20] <markey> except, this section does not even exist by default
[17:20] <markey> on my 8.10
[17:21] <markey> ah
[17:21] <markey> found somethin on the intertubes
[17:39] <Tm_T> markey: indeed, by default xorg.conf is quite empty, nothing like my current one
[17:40] <maco> empty meaning blank or skeleton?
[17:41] <seele> oy vey..
[17:41] <maco> ?
[17:41]  * seele wonders how often statisticians are driven to drink
[17:42] <seele> maco: sitting in experimental design doing inferential statistics
[17:42] <etank> 9 out of 10 hit the bar 85% of the time
[17:42] <Tm_T> maco: empty, as not even having sections
[17:42] <Tm_T> s/sections/all\ sections/
[17:42] <maco> Tm_T: ah see the #ubuntu-x people thought i was nuts when i said mine was completely empty
[17:43] <Tm_T> maco: aye in some cases it can be empty, but shouldn't, totally atleast
[17:44] <maco> well i wanted to know how to enable UXA for testing since the wiki page jsut says "add this line to this section" and i'm like "Uh...there aren't any sections. it's empty. not helpful!" and asked in #ubuntu-x and when i said it was totally empty they looked at me like this: O_o
[17:44] <Tm_T> :-P
[17:45] <smarter> maco: you have to add the section, and a server section probably too
[17:46] <maco> smarter: yeah they told me to use dexconf
[17:46] <maco> im just glad to note i'm not the only one whose got an empty one
[18:56] <ScottK> Empty ones are by design.  x-org is trying to get away from xorg.conf
[18:57]  * smarter notes that the "new way", which seems to be xml hal conf files, seems worse
[19:11] <Tonio_> rgreening: your lovelly kpackagekit 0.4 is in main :)
[19:11] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[19:11] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[19:12] <Tonio_> smarter: yo !
[19:12] <smarter> Tonio_: how are you doing? :)
[19:13] <Tonio_> fine :) tired, but fine
[19:13] <rgreening> Tonio_: ty.
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: you'(re welcome :)
[19:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: did we get K3B for kde 4 worked out
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: no excuses not to finish your patch now :)
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: still needs a few patches
[19:14] <rgreening> Tonio_: hah
[19:14] <rgreening> cool
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: I have to buy rw dvd to make tests :)
[19:14] <Tonio_> rgreening: kidding of course
[19:15] <rgreening> Tonio_: Im doing koffice2 now (new beta)
[19:15] <rgreening> after that, I can get back to kpackagekit
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: I can do koffice
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: I can't make your patch
[19:15] <Tonio_> rgreening: let's switch ? :)
[19:16] <rgreening> I already have it done. It's building
[19:16] <Tonio_> rgreening: ah... oki then :)
[19:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: I mailed you and glatzor about the python packagekit stuff, so over to you.
[19:16] <rgreening> Im working, so developing a patch is a lot more involved. I need actual bulk free time :0
[19:16] <FireRabbit> hey, does someone here have a sec to chat about kdebindings? :)
[19:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah, I uploaded included your patch and not mine
[19:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: also removed the python build-dep :)
[19:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: Great.  Thanks.
[19:17] <ScottK> Even better.....
[19:17] <rgreening> :)
[19:17] <ScottK> !ask | FireRabbit
[19:17] <FireRabbit> heh ok sorry
[19:18] <FireRabbit> so it turns out qttest.dll is broken upstream in the latest release.
[19:18] <FireRabbit> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.2/kdebindings/csharp/qttest/src/QtTest.cs?r1=906699&r2=934774
[19:18] <FireRabbit> this diff (just comitted) fixes it
[19:18] <seele> ~twitter update lunch of ramen and coke. typing with one hand and eating with the other. being a graduate student is bad for your health.
[19:18] <kubotu> status updated
[19:19] <rgreening> not-installed:./usr/lib/mono/2.0/qttest.dll
[19:19] <rgreening> we don't currently use the mono stuff from kdebindings
[19:19] <rgreening> csharp even
[19:19] <rgreening> FireRabbit: ^
[19:19] <ScottK> rgreening: By 'stufff' you mean the examples, right?
[19:19] <ScottK> stuff even
[19:20] <rgreening> check out the not-installed
[19:20] <FireRabbit> rgreening: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/i386/libqttest2.2-cil/filelist
[19:20] <FireRabbit> /usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-2.2/qttest.dll
[19:20] <rgreening> hmm....
[19:20] <rgreening> 1 sec
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: sure you aren't looking at backports?
[19:21] <rgreening> hmm...  maybe
[19:21] <rgreening> my mind is ecverywhere today
[19:21] <FireRabbit> it's in the not-installed file because it gets copied into that direcotry by the rules file
[19:22] <rgreening> your right. was my backport version. doh
[19:22] <FireRabbit> installed manually i should say
[19:22] <rgreening> nm. I'll go back to sleep(work)
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:23] <FireRabbit> so anyway this patch should probably be added to the package unfortunately.
[19:24] <FireRabbit> i'm working on adding all the missing pkg-config files for the bug i filed yesterday about that and i'll have a debdiff ready in a few minutes. would you mind if i rolled this into the same change?
[19:25] <rgreening> FireRabbit: sure, send to me and I'll upload
[19:25] <FireRabbit> okay
[19:25] <rgreening> roderick.greening at gmail.com
[19:26] <rgreening> we have kdebindings 4.2.1 built and ready to go, So, I'll have to make a new one. No big deal.
[19:27] <FireRabbit> oh okay i was going to ask about that... i dont belive any of the changes i am making will conflict at all
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> lol @ the bug description of kde bug 186062
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> complete with ® symbol
[19:29] <rgreening> ha
[19:29] <smarter> haha
[19:35] <Quintasan> :D
[19:42] <cumulus007> ssh, if MS sees this, we will be sued :P
[19:48] <Quintasan> anyone tried exporting to Flickr using Gwenview?
[19:49] <Quintasan> well, no point in asking. It didn't work for me, asks for authorization (I've granted it'
[19:57] <_Sime> will 9.04 ship with Qt v4.5? anyone know?
[19:57] <smarter> _Sime: yup
[19:57] <smarter> we're already at rc1
[19:58] <_Sime> ok, thanks
[20:06] <seele> maco: grats on HoF
[20:17] <maco_> seele: thanks
[20:32] <FireRabbit> rgreening: mail sent
[20:37] <kuaera> Is anyone having one-pixel-off issues with Qt 4.5?
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> Those pixel gaps should be fixed with 4.5 final (which we should be getting soon)
[20:39] <rgreening> thanks FireRabbit for your contribution. :)
[20:40] <kuaera> JontheEchidna: I'm still getting them with qt-snapshot [compiled last night]
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> Oh, really :( I was told that they were fixed
[20:40] <kuaera> I compiled Amarok 2 against it and there are still one-pixel-off issues
[20:41]  * JontheEchidna was talking more about plasma
[20:41] <kuaera> I have that, too
[20:41] <kuaera> But I was pointing out what I had compiled against qt-snapshot
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> oh
[20:42] <kuaera> The items in the taskbar have small breaks in the pixmaps, so, yeah, I know what you mean.
[20:42] <kuaera> Also, when using the Arora browser, I found an issue with random pixmaps appearing in input boxes
[20:43] <kuaera> Qt 4.5 is not quite ready yet >_>;
[20:43]  * JontheEchidna hasn't seen that
[20:43] <kuaera> I tend to find bugs... I'm a bug magnet
[20:44] <kuaera> And, yes, I do shower.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:47] <rgreening> every second tuesday?
[20:47] <rgreening> :)
[20:47] <FireRabbit> rgreening: happy to help. when will a new package be built? i'd like to make sure debian gets the same fixes too.
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: working on koffice new beta now.
[20:48] <FireRabbit> ok
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: trying to get the remaining kde 4.2.1 package beat into submission...
[20:48] <rgreening> FireRabbit: after that, update kdebindings :)
[20:48] <ScottK> firephoto: The best thing for Debian I think is file a bug in their BTS.
[20:49] <ScottK> They tend to react to that.
[20:49] <rgreening> hopefully within the next 8-12 hours (assuming no sleep) :P
[20:49] <FireRabbit> okay thanks!
[20:49] <rgreening> ScottK: FireRabbit you mean :)
[20:49] <rgreening> hehe
[20:49] <ScottK> Yes, I do.
[20:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[20:49] <FireRabbit> mono bindings will finally be useful with 4.2.1
 complete is evit at times
[20:50] <rgreening> evil
[20:50]  * ScottK really misses Konversation tab completion.
[20:51] <rgreening> FireRabbit: I'll email ya when I have hte package done.
[20:51] <smarter> ScottK: oh, that one was great yes
[20:52] <FireRabbit> great
[20:52] <FireRabbit> thx
[20:52] <maco> irssi's tab complete is nice. it starts with the last person you completed to with that typing, then goes to whomever was the most recent speaker that could be completed based on what you typed.
[20:53] <maco> FireRabbit: does that mean mono apps in gtk will be themed, or does it mean kde mono apps will be possible?
[20:53] <FireRabbit> will be possible to write qt/kde apps using mono
[20:53] <ScottK> Quassel has tab completion improvements in the next release.
[20:54] <maco> still no way to make gtk/mono apps use the same theme as the normal gtk apps?
[20:54] <maco> in kde, i mean
[20:55] <FireRabbit> they should use the same theme
[20:55] <FireRabbit> should not be any different
[20:55] <maco> tomboy looks like plain unadorned gtk. pidgin fits in.
[20:55] <FireRabbit> what happens if you quit tomboy and restart it?
[20:55] <maco> no difference
[20:55] <maco> i use it all the time. its never themed for me in kde
[20:55] <FireRabbit> hm weird.
[20:56] <maco> but terminator, pidgin, and gwibber are themed
[20:57] <FireRabbit> that's a bug for sure
[20:58] <FireRabbit> have you tried any other gtk# apps?
[20:58] <maco> no, thats the only one i use
[20:59] <FireRabbit> could you try installing something like banshee quick to see if the problem is specific to tomboy?
[20:59] <maco> ill try fspot later. im in gnome right now for a slightly-less-broken pidgin (notification-osd broke it)
[20:59] <FireRabbit> or gnome-do
[20:59] <FireRabbit> ok
[20:59] <maco> i have to run to class right now though
[21:00] <ScottK> maco: Speaking of which did you see what I did with your bug?
[21:00] <FireRabbit> is there a bug about this?
[21:01] <ScottK> Dunno.  The one I was referring to was about the broken notification stuff.
[21:02] <FireRabbit> ah
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: kde rev 934841 should make you happy :D
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> er
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: kde rev 934842 should make you happy :D
[22:25] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: :D    (/me doesn't even remember suggesting getting that fixed)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> well, you seem to point that out a lot in revus in general :P
[22:26] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: It is always nice to have things correct. However, I never block on that issue (especially since it must be fixed upstream)
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> True.
[23:31] <claydoh> did/should we make some sort of announcement regarding the 4.2 packages in backports?
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> I believe we updated the existing announcement
[23:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hurra, the stickers arrived :)
[23:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks :D
[23:41] <Riddell> yay
[23:58] <yao_ziyuan> i posted a screenshot to kde-look.org. please vote for me! http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=100416


[01:32] <Fudge> mm
[03:48] <Fudge> been stable a while now
[04:04] <Fudge> for some reason my lease time is not 57 minutes
[06:28] <Fudge> not=now
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> morning
[08:00] <cwiggs> morning.
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> cwiggs: you can grab the iso from url in topic mate
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> cwiggs: keep in mind things can still break in this stage
[08:01] <cwiggs> can I try an upgrade first and if it fails try a clean install?
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> no
[08:01] <cwiggs> Ok, thanks
[08:11] <snpresent> how to enable zfs on ubuntu 16.04?
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[09:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:42] <CrackerJack> morning in usa
[09:42] <CrackerJack> good day
[09:44] <lordievader> o/
[10:39] <ren0v0> why when i search for ubuntu 16.04 beta do i only get a link for MATE?
[10:39] <ren0v0>  where is the official place to download standard beta?
[10:41] <ren0v0> the only place i can find is  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/beta-1/source/  but what is different between source images?
[10:45] <lordievader> ren0v0: You probably want http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:46] <ren0v0> lordievader, huge filesize difference, how comes?
[10:48] <lordievader> You didn't link to the live images.
[10:48] <ren0v0> so there is no desktop image for beta 1, only daily builds ?
[10:48] <ren0v0> yet there is for mate?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/beta-1/
[10:49]  * ren0v0 is lost
[10:49] <lordievader> There doesn't seem to be builds for Ubuntu no. There ain't even a mention of Ubuntu on iso.qa.ubuntu.com for Xenial Beta-1. I do not know why.
[11:16] <CrackerJack> why not use the kernel 4.4.3 this beta
[11:16] <CrackerJack> or 4.5 rc5
[11:16] <CrackerJack> 4.4.0
[11:17] <CrackerJack> manual install but
[11:19] <SwedeMike> CrackerJack: 16.04 is slated to be using 4.4.x kernel as far as I can tell. Seems prudent considering it's an LTS and extra care should be taken to make sure it's stable out the door
[11:20] <CrackerJack> ok
[11:35] <ren0v0> hi, trying to boot from latest daily build and getting  "gfxboot.c32   COM32R image"
[11:40] <CrackerJack> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[11:40] <CrackerJack> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 4.5.0-040500rc5-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[11:40] <CrackerJack>            Desktop: Unity 7.4.0  Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[11:40] <CrackerJack> :)
[11:56] <CrackerJack> http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/96/F8/4a6794dd1d5396f8.png
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:13] <CrackerJack> здрасти :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !ru | CrackerJack
[12:18] <CrackerJack> BluesKaj i am not russian i am BULGARIAN LAME
[12:18] <CrackerJack> hello e здрасти
[12:19] <BluesKaj> CrackerJack, sorry , but cyrillic is difficult to tell the difference between languages for us English speakers
[12:19] <CrackerJack> ok
[12:19] <BluesKaj> !ro | CrackerJack
[12:20] <BluesKaj> !bu | CrackerJack
[12:20] <CrackerJack> !bg BluesKaj
[12:20] <BluesKaj> !bg
[12:21] <BluesKaj> anyway CrackerJack your English seems quite good , ask your question in English if you have a problem
[12:22] <CrackerJack> no
[12:22] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:22] <CrackerJack> use beta is a good and new kernel 4.5 rc5 manula install is good tehnks
[12:22] <CrackerJack> thenks
[12:23] <BluesKaj> right
[13:34] <tete_> hi, can someone tell me where the advanced installer is gone in the alpha2 iso for amd64 desktops?
[13:35] <tete_> i used the mini.iso which was using that (the ncurses installer) and i really like it, the one from the official big iso is not useful for me. i guess i have to use another boot param?
[15:01] <blaze> !by
[15:01] <blaze> :(
[16:52] <tete_> really no one?
[16:58] <flocculant> tete_: not sure I know what the advanced installer is tbh
[16:59] <flocculant> if you mean the text installer - then the last time I saw that was on alternate images rather than desktop - other than the mini's as you've seen
[17:12] <tete_> hm
[17:13] <tete_> is there an alternate alpha image?
[17:16] <ChibaPet> There is no more "alternate installer". This is FUD and misinformation. There is a server installer that gives you the Debian installer.
[17:16] <tete_> ChibaPet, ok, the server installer is what i need - is there any other image than the mini.iso which has this installer on board?
[17:17] <ChibaPet> tete_: no
[17:17] <ChibaPet> and I've had the mini ISOs fail to work on UEFI, although that may have been fixed by now.
[17:17] <tete_> thats bad because the mini.iso does not work with UEFI
[17:17] <ChibaPet> The server installer is a decent go-to at roughly 700MB
[17:17] <tete_> hehe no, its not, thats my problem
[17:17] <ChibaPet> tete_: You will experience joy with the server installer then.
[17:18] <tete_> do you know if there is a bug report for the UEFI mini.iso bug?
[17:18] <ChibaPet> tete_: I'd mentioned it on a mailing list when I found it. I don't know if there's a formal bug report yet.
[17:19] <ChibaPet> FWIW, if you want to conserve bandwidth, I've become quite a fan of zsync.
[17:19] <tete_> Note: While the minimal iso image is handy, it isn't useful for installing on UEFI-based systems that you want to run in UEFI mode. The mini iso lacks the proper files for booting the computer in UEFI mode. Thus, the computer will boot in BIOS compatibility mode, and the installation will be in BIOS mode.
[17:19] <tete_> seems like not a bug
[17:19] <tete_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:20] <tete_> so i have to wait for the alternate images/server images or use 15.10 alternate and upgrade if required
[17:20] <tete_> ok then at least i know whats going on
[17:20] <tete_> will use 15.10 tomorrow - thanks for the info
[17:22] <flocculant> ChibaPet: who said there was no more alternate installer ?
[17:23] <ChibaPet> flocculant: No one. Everyone says it exists. URL please?
[17:24] <flocculant> no idea - I didn't say it existed - I said ' the last time I saw that was on alternate images rather than desktop '
[17:24] <ChibaPet> tete_: Other than native ZFS root installs done with the desktop ISO, I've been quite happy with the server image.
[17:24] <flocculant> I didn't say recently ...
[17:25] <ChibaPet> flocculant: Alright. I didn't know if you were one of the #ubuntu experts that spread misinformation like it's their job. It used to exist, but it seems not to any more, with the server install filling the role of providing a nice Debian installer experience.
[17:25] <KiloJuliet> I love ZFS and Ubuntu and I see that in 16.04 is going to have it officially available. When I was running it on 14.04 it had a bit of instability on one of my machines and ate loads of ram in order to be happy. Is that still going to be the case when we start to roll out 16.04 test machines?
[17:25] <ChibaPet> The only downside is that it's a hefty download at 700 or so MB for folks with limited bandwidth.
[17:26] <KiloJuliet> Hoping to hear from someone who's tried it so I can make sure I'm not just wasting my time.
[17:26] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: It still wants a decent amount of RAM, but like Linux FS cache, ARC gives it up on demand.
[17:27] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: While not the minimum requirements, common advice is to run it with at least four gigs of RAM.
[17:27] <KiloJuliet> ya we were having a problem in 14.04 where it was not giving it up at all, and programs like java that requested a block of ram were like "no way its used"
[17:27] <KiloJuliet> we were running with 70-100GB ram and it was still just taking most of the memory
[17:27] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: You can manually cap ARC usage too. I'm not aware of any bugs presently that inhibit ARC reclamation, but I could be unaware.
[17:28] <KiloJuliet> we capped the ARC with some commands
[17:28] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: Oh, in that case, unless you're doing dedupe, you definitely want to cap ARC.
[17:28] <KiloJuliet> but it still eats about 6GB just to be happy
[17:28] <KiloJuliet> Ultimately dedupe would be a nice thing rather than buying loads more disks but one thing at a time
[17:28] <ChibaPet> "Happy" for ARC depends largely on your usage patterns. Big files vs small, frequent cache hits vs frequent cache misses.
[17:29] <KiloJuliet> one one of our systems we used a light lz4 compression too
[17:29] <ChibaPet> lz4 is a great default. It's computationally light enough that the disk will still be the gating factor.
[17:29] <KiloJuliet> I was thinking of cranking it up a bit since it never seemed to even touch our cpu
[17:30] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: So, FWIW, I'm running a mix of systems right now, both ZFS root (manual install) and ZFS for data (server installer, MD-RAID for root) and it's a leap ahead of 14.04 since it's not using DKMS.
[17:31] <KiloJuliet> we were using a simple ext4 for / and just stuck the zfs one /home where all the bulk files lived
[17:31] <KiloJuliet> The only place where root is on zfs is our smartos server
[17:32] <KiloJuliet> but it's lacking in several features and it's not ubuntu so it's not cool.
[17:32] <KiloJuliet> pci-passthrough for kvm's and other core needs.
[17:32] <ChibaPet> I like root-on-ZFS in principle, and I'd use it if it were supported out of the box, but I want to be as boring as possible, so I'm moving to just-for-data here.
[17:33] <flocculant> ChibaPet: nah - not at all - that'd not be me - avoid that channel :)
[17:33] <ChibaPet> Maybe The Xenial+1 LTS will support native ZFS root out of the box. It certainly has all the parts to do it.
[17:33] <KiloJuliet> Now all work aside, I plan to get a 16GB quad core low power system for my home and toss 16.04 on it with zfs and see if I can make myself a nice compressed file server and see if I can get some security cameras and home media on it.
[17:33] <ChibaPet> flocculant: Sorry, the question had the feel of one of their leading questions. :P Sorry for the wrong assumption.
[17:34] <KiloJuliet> That was the rumor, that it would have zfs out of the box, but some people, as always, started complaining about licensing so... I dont know
[17:34] <flocculant> :)
[17:34] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: Sounds fun. A few of us have decent instructions for ZFS root if you wanted it. The only issue I have so far is the shipped zfs mount unit files complain when everything's already set up by the initramfs.
[17:35] <ChibaPet> What they're shipping (or, will be when 16.04 is released) is a solid move in the right direction, and it's quite usable at a variety of different comfort levels.
[17:36] <KiloJuliet> as long as there's a well maintained package I'm happy. It doesn't have to ship in the installer really.
[17:36] <ChibaPet> (The licensing complaints are funny when you consider how hard, how fervently the FSF constituents are fighting to make it so people can't use this free software they dislike. This COPYLEFTed free software they dislike, even.)
[17:37] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: It is. Kernel modules, already built, no DKMS. FreeBSD and Illumos don't have it any better-integrated, honestly. It's just the installer and support scripts that aren't ready for it on root.
[17:38] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: In case you're interested: https://github.com/rlaager/zfs/wiki/HOWTO-Install-Ubuntu-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem
[17:38] <ChibaPet> I've got a variation of that for multidisk pools including boot-on-RAID and LUKS, but rlaager's guide is the general approach.
[17:39] <KiloJuliet> cool that looks like a good how-to to give to a buddy
[17:39] <KiloJuliet> thanks
[17:43] <ChibaPet> Oh, mine's also just for Xenial, which doesn't use DKMS. Hm.
[17:43] <ChibaPet> Hold on and I'll pastebin a new copy.
[17:44] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: This is exceedingly messy because I'm still working it out, and I need to do different versions for BIOS and UEFI, but: https://bpaste.net/show/d52fad07d395
[17:46] <Volkodav> Hi! I have my samba configured but today I got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15217456/
[17:47] <ChibaPet> Volkodav: That might be an opportunity to use gksu.
[17:48] <ChibaPet> ...if I'm reading that correctly. Unsure.
[17:48] <KiloJuliet> Fairly sure people would be able to figure out the bios/uefi issues pretty easily
[17:48] <KiloJuliet> we have been dealing with them for years at this point
[17:48] <ChibaPet> KiloJuliet: Well. Yes. But I've added in the UEFI bits. It'll be cleaner when I take them out again and just do two similar guides. The goal is to end up with a hands-off installer script in any event.
[17:49] <Volkodav> ChibaPet: Did you even see the command?
[17:50] <ChibaPet> Volkodav: Let's be aggressive!
[17:51] <ChibaPet> I don't know. Does mainWindow.MainWindow refer to a curses/slang interface? I'm probably hopelessly confused and should stop using computers.
[17:52] <Volkodav> ChibaPet: No reason to be aggresive - either sudo or gksu errors the same///
[17:53] <ChibaPet> Hm, and the traceback is reversed from what is usual. That's a bit odd.
[17:53] <ChibaPet> Well. I need to get Samba up on a Xenial box later today, so I'll see if I hit the same issue, and I'll share what I find.
[17:54] <Volkodav> That's not the point - the point is to find a solution here is the gksu output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15217575/
[17:54] <Volkodav> Thanks ChibaPet
[17:55] <ChibaPet> Yeah, I was blindly thinking most-recent-first for the trace, which would have had what seems like a windowing event be the thing that bailed, but I had it backwards.
[17:55] <ChibaPet> Does /usr/bin/pdbedit exist? Does it have sane permissions?
[17:57] <ChibaPet> I need to bail for a social engagement, but I'll be back on as soon as I can. I'll spin up my samba project later (was planned already, as it turns out).
[17:57] <Volkodav> It does and it's root
[17:57] <Volkodav> laterz
[17:58] <KiloJuliet> ChibaPet, if you need any help testing after making any script changes moving toward automation /msg me ill run some tests
[18:03] <sandah> howdy. I was able to install xenial desktop on a n3000 nuc (which requires pretty new kernel drivers) but I can't get the 16.04 server install to detect anything. Is there a trick with the server install, or in this case should I do a custom install using the desktop installer?
[22:02] <Fudge> hi


[02:36] <Fezzler> holstein> Hey man.
[04:02] <delt> oh hey, it's just midnight.. happy new day (:
[07:54] <JohnTalent> ghostbusters is out today!


[02:58] <ubotttu> WHY YOU BAN ME!
[02:58] <ubotttu> I am just messin' around
[02:58] <ubotttu> I wasn't harming no body.
[02:59] <Jordan_U> ubotttu: Because #ubuntu is for productive support discussion, not messing around.
[02:59] <Shmerby> I promise to stop please unban me.
[03:00] <Shmerby> I am serious I wont ever do it again.
[03:00] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: Why didn't you stop when asked politely?
[03:00] <Shmerby> Jodran_U: Because I am young and stupid.
[03:00] <Jordan_U> !guidelines | Shmerby
[03:02] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: Please read our guidelines carefully. If you agree to follow them then I will lift your ban, but note that next time your ban will not be as easy to lift.
[03:03] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: We have to keep the channel clear for Ubuntu support, and you being purposely disruptive the moment you realized that your first ban was lifted frankly does not endeer us with a lot of trust that you will behave in the future.
[03:03] <Shmerby> Alright I wont do it again, I agree
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: Have you read the channel guidelines completely?
[03:04] <Shmerby> Yes sir.
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: Do you agree to follow them?
[03:04] <Shmerby> Yes sir.
[03:05] <Jordan_U> Shmerby: Your ban has been lifted.
[03:05] <Shmerby> Thank you.
[03:05] <Jordan_U> You're welcome.
[03:05] <Shmerby> #ubuntu
[03:06] <Shmerby> Sorry if thats declared as spam I just wanted a shortcut.
[05:01] <genii> @comment 63028 Warned about using derogatory terms, persisted.
[05:03] <genii> IdleOne: That was my next move.
[05:18] <genii> Warned
 atm we are using ubuntu 6 and we are upgrading to ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[07:16] <bazhang> and wants to keep some 6.06 software with the 14.04
[07:16] <bazhang> yikes
[07:17] <ikonia> not going to happen
 ki7mt: I thought Mark finally swallowed his pride and announced systemd migration? Just hope he can do the same with wayland over mir
[09:51] <bazhang> I thought he agreed to stop doing that
[11:18] <TrinTrun> hello bazhang
[11:21] <k1l> TrinTrun: how can we help you?
[11:24] <TrinTrun> i was muted in #defocus ._.
[11:24] <TrinTrun> i needed help from bazhang
[11:24] <TrinTrun> as he set the quiet
[11:24] <k1l> well, since that is a channel from the freenode staff please ask in #freenode for help on that
[11:24] <ikonia> it's #defocus-ops
[11:24] <ikonia> I think that's the right channel
[11:24] <IdleOne> you can ask in #defocus-ops
[11:25] <k1l> or better on that channel
[11:25] <IdleOne> this channel has nothing to do with #defocus
[11:25] <TrinTrun> i'm also muted there
[11:25] <TrinTrun> in #freenode i mean
[11:27] <IdleOne> send him a message then. We can't help you in any way with any bans/mutes concerning channels outside of the ubuntu name space
[11:27] <IdleOne> aside from directing you to the correct channel
[11:30] <TrinTrun> ok
[17:46] <bazhang> bizarro
[17:47] <bazhang> that was not even a #defocus ban
[18:18] <sarnold> milina<EMAIL_ADDRESS>joined #ubuntu-devel, spammed an URL, and then parted again
[18:19] <Pici> sarnold: thanks.  I have a feeling they'll be removed from freenode soon.
[18:19] <sarnold> Pici: one hopes :)
[18:19] <sarnold> thanks
[18:20] <bazhang> doing it network wide
[18:20] <Pici> yeah
[18:20] <bazhang> although the *coin channels barely register it
[18:20] <Pici> I only saw in #freenode
 Big egos are play here
[18:41] <bazhang> issue
[18:54] <genii> Got removed by me last night from #u then the Idle One banned him shortly after
[18:54] <genii> Recidivist.
[18:55] <bazhang> he spent half a day protesting his unfair KLINE in #freenode a day or two ago
[18:56] <genii> Some people have too much time on their hands.
[19:11] <bazhang> number of the beast
[20:51] <genii> Same hostmask as Shmerby
[20:52] <genii> Pici: ^
[20:56] <genii> @comment 63046 Shmerby ban evading and being an ass again


[00:08] <mhall119> paultag: hey yourself
[00:08] <mhall119> what's up?
[00:12] <paultag> mhall119: it's not baked at all (due to a number of bugs) but I've got some codes working
[00:12] <paultag> mhall119: http://me.anized.org/paultag/ <- might want the browser bigger width-wise then height-wise
[00:12] <mhall119> for the practically.me, or politics lens?
[00:12] <paultag> mhall119: practically.me - I think I'm going to keep it's use as an ubuntu utility in mind when I polish this up
[00:14] <mamina> Can anibody help me with this http://alturl.com/n53kn ?
[00:15] <paultag> mhall119: if y'all community types want it, I'll put the time into making it ubuntu-ey with ease
[00:49] <mhall119> paultag: sounds interesting, we'd have to see if there's a desire in the community for an ubuntu-centric site like that
[00:50] <mhall119> maybe can integrate it with other things like launchpad teams, askubuntu achievements, etc
[00:50] <paultag> I'm thinking of integration, but the idea is miminalism
[00:50] <paultag> I don't much mind one way or the other, this is a fun side-hack on learning django well enough to use
[00:53] <mhall119> bbl, gotta try and fix the hinges on my laptop
[01:24] <h00k> mhall119: oi, good luck. That's never fun.
[01:50] <mhall119> yay, I can move my laptop lid again!
[01:50] <mhall119> h00k: it wasn't too bad
[01:51]  * mhall119 loves his D630
[01:51] <mhall119> I've been putting it off for a month now, expecting it to be terrible
[01:51] <mhall119> only took an hour
[01:52] <h00k> mhall119: congrats
[01:52]  * h00k looks for an image
[01:52] <h00k> Oh yeah, I've had those apart. not too bad
[02:03] <mhall119> I've been trying not to break the plastic for the last month
[02:04] <mhall119> sure did a number on those hinges though, even the one that wasn't in 2 pieces was cracked almostly all the way through
[02:04] <mhall119> gotta love any hardware fix that costs less than $20 USD though
[02:05] <mhall119> paultag: this practically.me, what all does it do?
[04:11] <Ng4> .
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <xdatap1> morning Laura
[08:18] <czajkowski> xdatap1: hey there
[08:39] <YoBoY> bonjour
[09:47] <YoBoY> xdatap1: hi, do you have 5 minutes ?
[09:48] <xdatap1> YoBoY, hi! sure
[09:48] <YoBoY> :)
[09:49] <YoBoY> it's about the twining bug 894181
[09:49] <YoBoY> what plan are your refering to with Charles ? ^^"
[09:51] <xdatap1> YoBoY, nothing on our side. The thing is that Christophe said that it could be easily done since they speak french as well and you could share with them some CD
[09:51] <xdatap1> YoBoY, so the "plan" is that you guys try to twin and starting from your experience maybe we can get some take outs for other teams
[09:52] <YoBoY> twin with which team ? we have to pick one ourselves ?
[09:52] <xdatap1> YoBoY, so, since the bug was still opened I just commented for giving you my +1
[10:01] <YoBoY> ok, so to make it clear, we have to find a non approved team who want to be mentored by us, and help them to start or improve their activities. I think we were waiting the part "find the non approved team..." coming from LC. I'll talk to Christophe to see how we can do that on our side.
[10:03] <czajkowski> YoBoY: huats specifically already stated he had a team in mind
[10:03] <huats> czajkowski: I had
[10:03] <huats> it was mali
[10:03] <xdatap1> here he is
[10:04] <xdatap1> hello huats :)
[10:04]  * czajkowski hugs huats
[10:04] <huats> hello everyone
[10:04] <czajkowski> huats: the french caused much grief to the irish again at the weekend !
[10:05] <huats> actually hello from my bed with throat infection
[10:05] <xdatap1> huats, oh, poor you. Take care of you. Is it snowing in France?
[10:06]  * dholbach hugs huats
[10:06] <huats> it was snowing a lot :)
[10:06] <dholbach> I heope you feel better soon again
[10:06] <YoBoY> xdatap1: not in Paris
[10:06] <huats> dholbach: I am already better than the end of last week :)
[10:07] <huats> czajkowski: actually I have called the ref to cancel the game because I wasn't able to look at the game :)
[10:07] <dholbach> from December on I had a cold 3 times, or well, maybe it never left me until a week ago
[10:07] <dholbach> but it's all good now
[10:07] <huats> hehe
[10:07] <huats> I'll take you as a model again then
[10:07] <huats> :)
[10:20] <bkerensa> :D
[14:40] <paultag> mhall119: right now, nothing other then the basics. I have plans for integration with other f/oss communities (such as launchpad and github) and digesting it into fun little tidbits on their pages
[14:40] <paultag> mhall119: perhaps some widget-ey things, but nothing fancy. I just want it to be simple and friendly
[14:40] <paultag> mhall119: the whole point is if you *want* an in depth set of data - go to launchpad or github
[14:44] <mhall119> paultag: I was wondering, is it something that we can just sftp to people.ubuntu.com?
[14:45] <paultag> mhall119: in it's current form - no question, but eventually, it'd have to update it on a cron or something
[14:45] <paultag> mhall119: it also excludes a good chunk of non-member contributors
[14:45] <mhall119> true, it's just an ideal hostname for it
[14:45] <paultag> true
[14:46] <paultag> it'd be easy enough to turn into a cronjob
[14:46] <mhall119> maybe we can separate the user-profile stuff from the file-upload stuff
[14:47] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I mean, that's not hard
[14:47] <mhall119> so that everyone can have a profile, but still limit upload to members
[14:47] <paultag> it's just having to convert it to a not-django project
[14:47] <mhall119> or use Apache configs to redirect the requests
[14:47] <paultag> mhall119: and get rid of people.ubuntu storage?
[14:48] <mhall119> no, keep the storage, but say "If the request is to /, send it to django, otherwise see if it points to a file to serve"
[14:49] <paultag> mhall119: that could get mighty messy - it'd be easy to convert it to a jinja2 template, and ditch web front-ends and just generate static html to copy over
[14:49] <paultag> but then someone would need a cron-job to upload their stuff
[14:49] <paultag> because eventually I want to add more dynamic support
[14:49] <mhall119> true, if it's going to be mostly static that would be easy
[14:50] <mhall119> we can have one cron to update everyone
[14:50] <paultag> yeah, that'd be rad
[14:51] <mhall119> paultag: you should make a blueprint for uds-q so we can talk about it more
[14:52] <paultag> mhall119: I'm willing to maintain and develop the upstream software, but I don't really want to deal with politicking with the Ubuntu community
[16:47] <mhall119> czajkowski: btw, you now have Markdown support in the global event details field if you want to add formatting
[16:47] <mhall119> same for team events, meetings, venues, etc
[16:47] <mhall119> for global events you can add uncensored HTML as well