[01:36] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is there a tool that lists all the X windows in a tree and their properties?  Ideally graphically and dynamic
[01:37] <RAOF> I believe you might be looking for “xwininfo -tree -root”?
[01:37] <Sarvatt> think i can answer that with a no, regarding dynamically and graphically
[01:37] <robert_ancell> that would be a nice tool
[01:38] <robert_ancell> Sarvatt, cheers
[01:39] <robert_ancell> RAOF, so I want properties, and in this case the RESOURCE_MANAGER property
[01:41] <RAOF> xprop (obviously) dumps those properties, but that doesn't get you your tree.
[01:42] <RAOF> But a quick shell iteration over the grep of the output of “xwininfo -tree -root” should build you a tree of properties.
[01:42] <robert_ancell> ta
[02:15] <dobey> jasoncwarner_: ping :)
[06:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:27] <highvoltage> good morning
[06:27] <RAOF> Morning pitti!
[06:28] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[06:28] <RAOF> I'm ok.
[06:28] <RAOF> Somewhat in a twisty maze of nux.
[06:30] <pitti> RAOF: uh, what led you there?
[06:31] <RAOF> Helping DX write some tests for unity.
[06:32] <pitti> yay, current glib/g-i/etc. landing in unstable
[06:39] <RAOF> Oh!  When is precise going to be debootstrapable?
[06:40] <pitti> RAOF: how do you mean? it has been for a long time
[06:40] <pitti> RAOF: we have had daily images since UDS
[06:40] <RAOF> Hm.  So why is mk-sbuild failing with perl-modules?
[06:41] <pitti> oh, still? that should only have been temporarily last Wed/Thu when Colin did the perl 5.14 migration
[06:43]  * RAOF tries again.
[06:51] <RAOF> Still a winner: "perl : Depends: perl-modules (>= 5.14.2-5) but 5.12.4-6 is to be installed"
[06:54] <micahg> well, it seems the old binary is also present :-/
[06:54] <micahg> perl-modules |   5.12.4-6 |       precise | all
[06:54] <micahg> perl-modules |   5.14.2-5 |       precise | all
[06:56] <pitti> o_O that shouldn't even be possible
[06:56] <micahg> right
[06:56]  * micahg wonders if the binary domination is broke, there was some work on that
[06:59]  * micahg pokes LP devs
[07:00] <RAOF> Hah.  And chrooting into that bootstrap and running “apt-get -f install” *does* fix things, so it seems only debootstrap is confused.
[07:02] <micahg> pitti: intended behavior, so debootstrap bug
[07:03] <pitti> micahg: because we still have 14 rdepends on libperl5.12, and they require the 5.12 version?
[07:03] <wgrant> No, we don't go that far.
[07:03] <wgrant> It's because there are still arch-specific binaries from the old version.
[07:03] <wgrant> Because a build from one of the archs hasn't finished, or has failed.
[07:04] <pitti> ah, I just saw the "all" in above paste
[07:04] <wgrant> Right, we keep arch-indep publications when there are still arch-specific publications for that source version.
[07:04]  * micahg isn't sure what's still needed
[07:04] <wgrant> Because armel doesn't want to be uninstallable when they're lagging.
[07:04] <pitti> ok, so it's just debootstrap; thanks  for the heads-up!
[07:04] <pitti> so it seems live-builder somehow doesn't have that problem
[07:05] <micahg> wgrant: no perl build failures...so is this really supposed to be?
[07:05] <wgrant> It's also possible that there's NBS.
[07:06] <wgrant> But there's some old binary from that source still published.
[07:08] <micahg> yeah, it's due to libperl5.12 still being around
[07:58] <glatzor> morning pitti rodrigo_
[07:59] <pitti> hey glatzor
[07:59] <pitti> morning rodrigo_
[07:59] <pitti> how are you? had a nice weekend?
[08:00] <glatzor> pitti, weekend shift :)
[08:00] <glatzor> but nevertheless it was nice. yourself?
[08:01] <pitti> we went to Dresden and baked some cookies and a fortress (instead of the classical christmas house)
[08:01] <glatzor> pitti, nice :)
[08:01] <pitti> and met some friends and family again
[08:02] <glatzor> pitti,  when I returned from work at Saturday I had the feeling just entering a backery: my girl firend baked 9 pieces of stollen
[08:02] <pitti> wow
[08:02] <pitti> who's going to eat all that?
[08:03] <glatzor> hopefully the family and friends of us :) they are really huge
[08:04] <glatzor> but it is weired to look at those stolen and having to wait 4 weeks before you can actually eat them
[08:04] <pitti> we have one sitting here as well, can't wait for next weekend
[08:10] <pitti> https://picasaweb.google.com/107564545827215425270/WeihnachtsbackenMitStVo02#5677358274213291218
[08:10] <pitti> Phear!
[08:25] <glatzor> pitti, impressive!
[08:32] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:34] <rodrigo_> hi glatzor, pitti
[08:35] <glatzor> morning rodrigo_
[08:42] <glatzor> morning mvo
[08:44] <mvo> hey glatzor! gooooood morning :)
[08:44] <didrocks> good morning
[08:44] <mvo> hey didrocks
[08:45] <didrocks> hey mvo, how are you?
[08:45] <pitti> hey mvo, guten Morgen
[08:45] <glatzor> morning didrocks
[08:45] <mvo> didrocks: tired, but at cup of tea will help me here
[08:45] <mvo> hey pitti! guten morgen
[08:45] <rodrigo_> bonjiour didrocks
[08:45] <rodrigo_> and mvo
[08:46] <mvo> hey rodrigo_!
[08:46] <didrocks> good morning glatzor, rodrigo_, guten morgen pitti
[08:46] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:51] <pitti> didrocks: you are the approver of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-quickly, is that on purpose? if so, could you please have a look at it today?
[08:51] <didrocks> pitti: sure, it was still drafting last time I checked, looking
[08:52] <pitti> didrocks: cool, thanks
[08:54] <mvo> glatzor: I see you already did 0.43+bzr707-1ubuntu1 in ubuntu-precise, I will merge the changes from julian and upload, ok?
[08:55] <glatzor> mvo, you could update to the latest snapshot
[08:55] <glatzor> mvo, I made the (internal) simulate call async and added some mainloop iteration to make the daemon respond faster
[08:56] <mvo> glatzor: cool, will do
[08:58] <glatzor> the worker/downloader separation should also be doable without threading - which will add download while installing support
[08:58] <mvo> glatzor: r712, right?
[08:58] <mvo> glatzor: man, you rock *so* hard
[08:58] <mvo> glatzor: \o/
[08:59] <glatzor> mvo, right r712
[09:00]  * mvo prepares the package
[09:01] <mvo> glatzor: any word/opinion on reviews for debian ?
[09:02] <mvo> glatzor: hm, I get a error that it can't find org.freedesktop.PackageKit-aptd.service, maybe a forgoten bzr add ?
[09:04] <glatzor> mvo, unluckily it has to be named  org.freedesktop.PackageKit.service so python-aptdaemon.pkcompat conflicts with packagekit
[09:05] <mvo> glatzor: aha, so I need to fix the install file only, no problem
[09:05] <mvo> glatzor: meh, that is really a bit unfortuante that they can't be co-installed
[09:05] <glatzor> mvo, wait I haven't yet pushed my local changes
[09:05] <mvo> glatzor: aha, ok
[09:05] <mvo> glatzor: shall I wait?
[09:05] <glatzor> mvo, done
[09:06] <glatzor> mvo, dbus activation seems to require that the service file has got the same name as the to be activated interface
[09:07] <glatzor> mvo, gnome-packagekit needs an or dependency on aptdaemon :)
[09:07] <mvo> glatzor: heh, I'm sure rodrigo_ will be excited to hear that
[09:07] <glatzor> mvo, python-aptdaemon.pkcompat actually
[09:08] <mvo> glatzor: I pushed my own changes now, I do a testbuild and if its good I will upload
[09:08] <seb128> hey
[09:08] <mvo> hey seb128
[09:08] <mvo> seb128: aptdaemon/PK goodness from glatzor on the way
[09:08] <seb128> hey mvo
[09:08] <seb128> great
[09:10] <pitti> oh, it's a seb128!
[09:10] <seb128> hey pitti
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: enjoyed the long weekend?
[09:10] <seb128> how are you? had a good w.e?
[09:10] <seb128> yes, I did!
[09:10] <pitti> seb128: yeah, went to Dresden to visit friends and family again
[09:11] <seb128> went to the spas on friday that was nice, and mostly relaxed on satuday and sunday
[09:11] <pitti> seb128: https://picasaweb.google.com/107564545827215425270/WeihnachtsbackenMitStVo02#5677358274213291218 was one of the results :)
[09:11] <seb128> lol, nice one ;-)
[09:12] <mvo> glatzor: hm, the system hangs for some seconds now e.g. on cache update in dbus-send org.freedesktop.PackageKit.StateHasChanged string cache-update"
[09:12] <mvo> glatzor: known issue?
[09:13] <mvo> seb128: what is "spass"
[09:13] <seb128> mvo, plurial spa, but maybe it's not a plural in english
[09:13] <seb128> sauna, jacuzzi, etc
[09:14] <mvo> aha, nice!
[09:14] <seb128> ;-)
[09:14] <glatzor> mvo, oh yeah evil issue
[09:15] <mvo> glatzor: if evil and known, that is good enough for me for now
[09:16] <glatzor> mvo, the script is called by aptdaemon in process so that we cannot receive the signal in the same process
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:21] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[09:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! how about you?
[09:22] <mvo> glatzor: hm, hm, anything we can do about this? (e.g. sending it out of process?)
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, not too bad thanks. i think i'm finally getting over my ubuflu :)
[09:22] <pitti> good to hear -- that was a tough one!
[09:23] <glatzor> mvo, it is called by /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20packagekit
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: WDYT about re-enabling apport soon? as we don't have an unstable GNOME release, we shouldn't currently have loads of crashes which will automagically fix themselves
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: I'm working on client-side dupe detection this week, and for testing that on a wider scale enabling apport would be handy
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, works for me though I guess what we will collect is mostly duplicates of known issues
[09:26] <seb128> but we can still turn it off in a week if we think it's noisy
[09:26] <seb128> so go for it ;-)
[09:26] <pitti> and those are precisely what I'm interested in :)
[09:27] <pitti> seb128: ok, thought so; checking with Daviey and cjwatson for foundations/server first, too
[09:28] <mvo> glatzor: that isn't a blocker, I think, I will go ahead and upload so that we can enable the or-dep in gnome-packagekit and get testing
[09:29] <mvo> glatzor: plus (most importantly) so that the tools like gnome-control-center are unblocked
[09:32] <glatzor> mvo, the issue will only appear if you install packagekit. perhaps adding a small timeout to the script could be a solution
[09:32] <glatzor> mvo, the script is called three times by apt on failure
[11:55] <didrocks> pitti: I think with the Quickly spec, I gained some new WI and so, I'm above the limit again, I'll drop/postpone some WI as I think in addition to this, other WI will be added as well…
[11:56] <pitti> didrocks: well, it's not a super-hard limit, but you really should be comfortable with the ones you have
[11:56] <pitti> didrocks: also keeping your unity RM duties in mind
[11:56] <didrocks> pitti: indeed, rather than deleting WI, I think I'll make "target for opportunities" list in some blueprints so that I can grab them if needed
[11:57] <didrocks> seif: hey, what was the status about libroffice zeitgeist datasource? I think you need to talk to Sweetshark about this (people are giving nice feedback on the gedit and totem ones btw ;))
[11:59] <pitti> didrocks: btw, does quickly take the couchdb EOL into account?
[12:00] <didrocks> pitti: indeed, the new quickly-widgets shouldn't dep on it (it's a community volonteer doing it)
[12:00] <didrocks> we discussed it at the session, but it's like to port quickly-widgets to gtk3 anyway
[12:03] <pitti> someone please file an apport crash bug
[12:03] <pitti> but nothing crashes in Ubuntu right now, right?
[12:04] <pitti> getting closer to have client-side dupe detection work
[12:04] <pitti> but next episode after lunch, bbl
[12:11] <seif> didrocks, gedit is getting my plugin upstream
[12:11] <seif> :)
[12:12] <didrocks> great :)
[12:52] <pitti> seb128: fixed the retracer crashes, whopsie
[12:52] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:12] <Sweetshark> our sprint in Budapest ends on Friday, 13th. Not that I care too much, but UDS-O ended also on Friday, 13th ...
[13:13] <pitti> that's why we flew out on Saturday :)
[13:13] <Sweetshark> ... and on the flight back I was seated in row 13 (labeled 14) on _both_ flights.
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:13]  * Sweetshark feels flying again on Friday would be pushing his luck ....
[13:17]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[13:49] <dobey> Sweetshark: you'll notice most airplanes don't actually have a row 13 :)
[13:49] <pitti> sure, they don't have a row number 13, but they have a 13th row (with number 14) :)
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad that i'm not superstitious :)
[13:55] <dobey> pitti: well, not necessarily the 13th physical row; some planes skip several numbers between business and coach; so 1-3 are business, and coach starts at 10
[13:55] <Sweetshark> I had a crazy continental flight with rows numbered 1-12, 14, 20-. I wonder why they had to keep row 14. For tradition? Or because they feared to run into troubled with people explicitly evading row 14, and then being scared by row 20?
[13:56] <dobey> Sweetshark: was 20 the exit row?
[13:56] <Sweetshark> dobey: not sure, but i dont think so
[13:58] <dobey> Sweetshark: 20 was probably exit row, or the row just in front of it (which had immovable seat backs)
[14:20] <seb128> hum, I should upgrade to precise
[14:20] <seb128> mterry, hey
[14:21] <seb128> mterry, can I abuse from your build fixing time to look at the cairo upload I just did? it builds fine on oneiric but failed to build on precise, the ltmain.sh patch doesn't apply after autoreconf run
[14:21] <seb128> it's likely trivial but I don't have a precise box yet to refresh that ltmain hack (I'm not even sure that's needed nowadays in fact with as-needed)
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, sure
[14:22] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[14:35] <pitti> seb128: ah, we can't merge/sync gnome-bluetooth?
[14:38] <seb128> pitti, we can merge I guess, but I try to clean outdated version first, will do merges later on
[14:38] <seb128> pitti, we can't sync no
[14:39] <seb128> pitti, we have an indicator patch
[14:39] <pitti> seb128: libindicate is in Debian
[14:39] <seb128> pitti, right but I doubt debian wants to transform the systray in an indicator
[14:40] <pitti> tehre's always ubuntu.series, but I guess trying to sync only really makes sense for actual libraries where we are less likely to diverge again
[14:41] <pitti> anyway, I was just curious
[14:41] <pitti> thanks
[14:41] <seb128> that patch is making upstream unhappy, they don't like us patching their code and introducing issues and bugs, I would prefer not to push that change in Debian as well
[14:41] <seb128> yw ;-)
[14:41] <seb128> pitti, if you want to do an update in debian we could sync, libsoup2.4 is on that list ;-)
[14:42] <pitti> queued
[14:42] <seb128> danke!
[14:48] <tjader> Hi. When I insert a SD disk or USB drive and try to open it via the unity launcher it tries to open the folder with the archive manager. How can I fix that?
[14:52] <seb128> tjader, right click on a directory in nautilus, properties, open with, what is selected in that tab?
[14:54] <tjader> seb128: it does not have that tab, but by right-clicking, open with, another application I was able to fix it
[14:54] <tjader> thanks
[14:56] <seb128> tjader, you're welcome
[15:00] <dobey> seif: i forget; to fix a package in proposed (that's already in proposed but verification-failed), do i need to avoid bumping the 0ubuntu2 or should i bump it?
[15:00] <dobey> damnit
[15:00] <dobey> not seif
[15:00] <dobey> seb128: ^^
[15:01] <seb128> dobey, you can't use the same version twice, you have to bump the number
[15:01] <dobey> ok
[15:01] <seb128> but include both changelog entries on upload (i.e use -v)
[15:01] <seb128> since the previous one didn't go to -updates
[15:19] <mterry> seb128, btw, uploaded refreshed ltmain.sh patch in cairo.  works for me in precise
[15:33] <seif> dobey, seb128
[15:33] <seif> for some reason gtk in ubunut wont allow me to draw frames with borders
[15:34] <seif> whats up with that
[15:34] <seif> ?
[15:34] <dobey> frames with borders?
[15:34] <dobey> it works fine
[15:34] <dobey> you mean the theme doesn't draw borders for your frames?
[15:35] <seif> shadows
[15:36] <seif> dobey, in gtk3
[15:36] <dobey> seif: using which theme?
[15:39] <seif> adwaita
[15:39] <seif> ?
[15:39] <dobey> seif: right, the GNOME 3 theme, and it probably doesn't draw the borders on frames
[15:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: can libreoffice-3.4.4-0ubuntu1 be moved to oneiric now? the one launchpad issue has verification-done and it has 7 days in -proposed.
[16:09] <pitti> Sweetshark: we just got a single piece of feedback for this large update; I'd rather get some more confirmations from Ubuntu (not just one from Kubunut)
[16:12] <dobey> Sweetshark: i thought it was 7 days after verification-done :)
[16:12] <dobey> pitti: can you accept ubuntuone-client into oneiric-proposed? there was a stupid mistake i feel stupid for not catching earlier :(
[16:15] <pitti> dobey: will do soon (unless RAOF or Spammaps beat me to it)
[16:16] <dobey> pitti: ok, thanks
[16:30] <slangasek> hmm, the timezone picker seems to have regressed in precise
[16:31] <slangasek> took me about 20 clicks to land on Chicago on the map :P
[16:43] <AlanBell> slangasek: you should try it with orca and keyboard /o\
[16:43] <AlanBell> or just keyboard, no mouse
[16:43] <slangasek> AlanBell: I don't see how that could be any worse
[16:45] <Sweetshark> pitti: well, the Kubuntu issue cant cause regressions in Ubuntu (libreoffice-kde is not installed in default Ubuntu), or do you mean a just a general "doesnt crash on startup"-verification?
[16:46] <AlanBell> slangasek: it was hard in oneiric, I will try precise if there are changes in that area, basically it isn't a standard dropdown control and it doesn't really work with keyboard to select the city
[16:46] <pitti> Sweetshark: yes, a smoketest
[16:46] <slangasek> AlanBell: right, precise still doesn't have a dropdown; what has regressed in precise is that repeatedly clicking in a zone now no longer rotates through the set of related cities
[16:46] <slangasek> I don't know how I managed to finally get 'Chicago', but it's not deterministic :P
[16:47] <AlanBell> ooh, maybe it has improved then :)
[16:49] <seb128> slangasek, AlanBell: what selector are you talking about? ubiquity? clock applet?
[16:49] <slangasek> seb128: clock applet
[16:49] <slangasek> well, s/applet/indicator/, I guess
[16:49] <AlanBell> seb128: ubiquity
[16:50] <slangasek> ah, then we're talking about two separate selectors at the moment, I guess
[16:50] <AlanBell> I will give the clock applet a go, that isn't a dropdown widget either but looks like orca might have a better stab at it . . .
[16:50] <slangasek> (planned to be merged this cycle, I think?)
[16:52] <seb128> slangasek, it was I think, but that was before ev and mterry got busy on other things so dunno if that still stands
[16:53] <slangasek> ok
[16:53] <seb128> slangasek, can't you just type in the text entry for the location?
[16:53] <mterry> slangasek, seb128: I believe ubiquity currently uses a small library that ev broke out last cycle.  indicator-datetime needs to use it too
[16:53] <AlanBell> there are about 6 Londons in the world
[16:54] <AlanBell> orca can't read the time and date applet selector very well, but it can be operated with the keyboard
[16:56] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:56] <AlanBell> odd fake dropdown widgets really don't help matters for screen readers, it bypasses all the accessibilty stuff that is built into the standard widgets
[16:56] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:58] <slangasek> seb128: "type in the text entry" - how am I supposed to know what it wants me to type?
[16:59] <seb128> slangasek, well it says "Location:", just type a name?
[16:59] <seb128> like Portland
[16:59] <slangasek> seb128: the first time I typed 'Chicago', it popped up a little "error" icon; now it works
[16:59] <seb128> weird, maybe the request timeouted or something
[17:00] <slangasek> seb128: still, the primary widget presented here is the map, and the 'Location' field gives users no guidance; the map clearly needs to be fixed or dropped
[17:00] <slangasek> bug #893197 filed
[17:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893197 in gnome-control-center "timezone map no longer allows reliable selection of the correct zone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893197
[17:01] <AlanBell> gah, nothing works :( it can see the frames but both orca itself and ubiquity are inaccessible
[17:03] <AlanBell> so much for testing precise :(
[17:04] <seb128> slangasek, indicator-datetime didn't change since oneiric so that dialog is the same it was in oneiric
[17:04] <seb128> slangasek, but I agree it could be better ;-)
[17:05] <slangasek> seb128: it's possible that only US/Central has problems that I'm noticing; the last time I needed that timezone would've been Dallas in January
[17:06] <seb128> slangasek, you are travelling? you didn't get prompted to change your location?
[17:06] <slangasek> ... prompted?
[17:06] <slangasek> no, I haven't been prompted
[17:06] <slangasek> yes, I'm travelling
[17:06] <seb128> bug #802384 should be fixed in precise :-(
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 802384 in indicator-datetime "not getting prompted to change timezone via geoclue" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802384
[17:06] <kenvandine> indeed, it should
[17:07] <seb128> slangasek, it should detect that your location is different from your tz and let you select the tz you are in
[17:07] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[17:07] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[17:07] <slangasek> seb128: do you mean active geolocation?
[17:07] <seb128> kenvandine, meet slangasek, an unhappy user
[17:07] <seb128> slangasek, meet kenvandine, the maintainer of datetime
[17:07] <seb128> now you guys can sort it ;-)
[17:07] <slangasek> :)
[17:07] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:08] <slangasek> seb128, kenvandine: does that mean bug #893197 should be assigned to indicator-datetime rather than g-c-c?
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893197 in gnome-control-center "timezone map no longer allows reliable selection of the correct zone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893197
[17:08] <seb128> slangasek, yes
[17:08] <slangasek> ok
[17:08] <seb128> slangasek, g-c-c only loads the datetime .so
[17:08] <slangasek> reassigned then
[17:08] <seb128> the code is in datetime
[17:08] <seb128> thanks
[17:09] <slangasek> kenvandine: am I misremembering that the datetime widget on the desktop used to allow you to click multiple times in the same location to rotate through the cities within that band?  Was that only in ubiquity?
[17:10] <kenvandine> i don't think the datetime one did that
[17:10] <slangasek> ok
[17:10] <kenvandine> it is pretty hard to select chicago though
[17:11] <slangasek> absurdly hard, given that clicking at various points in central time causes zones not under my cursor to be chosen instead
[17:11] <slangasek> long term, is this supposed to be replaced with the tz selector from ubiquity?
[17:12] <slangasek> ev has dealt with all of these issues in the installer before, and that one works pretty slick
[17:12] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:12] <kenvandine> i know we've wanted a shared widget
[17:12] <seb128> the issue is that the installer one is python code, that one is C, I think the idea was to use the datetime one
[17:13] <seb128> but nothing prevent us to "port" the installer code to datetime
[17:13] <slangasek> yes, I think that's what's needed here then
[17:13] <seb128> ev and mterry were discussing using the same codebase before Oneiric, not sure which one that was though
[17:13]  * slangasek doesn't either
[17:14] <mterry> seb128, what's the question?
[17:14] <slangasek> mterry: which code was planned to be used for a unified tz map widget
[17:14] <seb128> mterry, what was the plan with indicator-datetime and ubiquity maps?
[17:15] <seb128> mterry, slangasek says the datetime map widget makes it really hard to pick a location, which is an issue the ubiquity one doesn't have
[17:15] <AlanBell> unless you are using orca, in which case both suck :)
[17:16] <slangasek> seb128, kenvandine: as for geolocation, I'm on a plane, all bets are off :P
[17:16] <mterry> seb128, slangasek: ev made libtimezonemap last cycle.  I believe ubiquity uses it, but indicator-datetime doesn't.  What needs to happen is that indicator-datetime gets ported to use it (simultaneously moving some of its features/fixes to that code into the library)
[17:16] <slangasek> aha
[17:16] <kenvandine> slangasek, ah... then i am sure that wouldn't work :)
[17:16] <slangasek> mterry: ok, cool
[17:17] <mterry> slangasek, what's the specific issue that's difficult with picking maps in indicator-datetime?
[17:17] <slangasek> kenvandine: in general I don't get warm fuzzies about the idea of being prompted to update my TZ based on geolocation
[17:17] <slangasek> mterry: please try to click on Chicago :)
[17:17]  * mterry tries
[17:17] <kenvandine> slangasek, it doesn't popup and prompt you
[17:17] <kenvandine> it just adds a menu item to the indicator
[17:17] <slangasek> oh
[17:17] <kenvandine> to let you switch it
[17:17] <slangasek> yeah, that seems fair
[17:17] <kenvandine> :)
[17:18] <slangasek> you have anticipated my curmudgeonly objections, well done ;)
[17:18] <kenvandine> mterry, it is insanely hard to select chicago...
[17:18] <rodrigo_> slangasek, you want it to change automatically?
[17:18] <mterry> Still don't quite understand.  :-/
[17:18] <rodrigo_> slangasek, or not changed at all?
[17:18] <mterry> I was able to select it in both the map and the locations dialog.  Which one of those are we talking about?
[17:19] <kenvandine> mterry, the map
[17:19]  * AlanBell could select it on the map
[17:19] <AlanBell> click just bottom left of the lakes
[17:19] <kenvandine> it seems very close to others or something
[17:19] <kenvandine> i  felt like i was holding my mouse still and between clicks it was changing
[17:20] <kenvandine> between chicago and vincennes which are in different timezones
[17:20] <mterry> kenvandine, ah!  you're talking about clicking on chicago, not the dropdown
[17:20] <nerochiaro> just since I saw you people talking about the indicator datetime map: the location of Barcelona is way off on that map
[17:20] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, vincennes in france?
[17:21] <kenvandine> no :)
[17:21] <AlanBell> it needs to zoom really
[17:21] <rodrigo_> ah :)
[17:21] <slangasek> rodrigo_: "not change at all" is my preference, I don't trust geolocation
[17:22] <slangasek> not for something like this
[17:22] <rodrigo_> slangasek, right, my preference also
[17:22] <slangasek> AlanBell: it wouldn't need to zoom if it would just allow cycling through the cities in the band on multiple clicks (i.e., if it were the ubiquity one :)
[17:23] <slangasek> mterry: yeah, it seems to be doing the old and broken "find the city that's geographically closest to where you clicked" heuristic
[17:23] <slangasek> except even then, I'm not sure why it thinks Indiana is closer than Illinois :)
[17:24] <slangasek> oh!  In fact, there appears to be a vertical offset for all of the cities
[17:25] <slangasek> so something seems to be misaligned
[17:25] <slangasek> fwiw
[17:26] <slangasek> anyway, bug filed and my timezone has been set... I don't need to monopolize the channel further :)
[17:27] <kenvandine> thanks slangasek
[17:28]  * rodrigo_ out for a bit, bbl
[17:28]  * AlanBell goes to look where chicago actually is
[17:28] <AlanBell> London is positioned over edinburgh right now it seems
[17:29] <AlanBell> slangasek: actually below the red dot is the shaft of the pin, which is sticking in the right place in the map7
[17:30] <AlanBell> the dot isn't the city position itself
[17:30] <slangasek> ah
[17:30] <slangasek> right; not very intuitive to me
[17:30] <AlanBell> not really, I wouldn't have noticed it myself without trying it with compiz zoom
[17:36] <nerochiaro> wow, completely easy to miss for anyone without perfect eyesight
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, really need to figure out scrollbar stuff this week
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> oh, seb128, i looked at the shutdown on resume issue last week btw
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> for me, it's definitely related to that extra battery, and i tracked down the kernel commit which fixes it :)
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> so i don't know if other people have a separate issue
[18:26] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/852406/comments/37
[18:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 852406 in linux "Phantom battery appears after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[18:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice, thanks for tracking the kernel commit
[18:41] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone
[22:47] <bschaefer> bg
[22:47] <bschaefer> opps
[23:16] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Hi Robert! Do you have a few minutes to complete https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/lightdm/lang-chooser/+merge/78226 ? Martin has approved it after a few code improvements.
[23:17] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, sure
[23:18] <smspillaz> RAOF: poke
[23:18] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Great. I'll be available here for possible follow-up questions.
[23:18] <RAOF> smspillaz: Yo!
[23:18] <smspillaz> RAOF: are there any known caveats with linking to libdrm ?
[23:18] <RAOF> Not as far as I'm aware.
[23:19] <smspillaz> cmake was being a bit weird so I'm just trying to link manually on the command line to see what I can get, but its failing bizzarely
[23:19] <smspillaz> RAOF: using -ldrm and the implict search path from gcc
[23:19] <RAOF> Got a pastebin, or some code?
[23:19] <smspillaz> it looks like it actually finds libdrm.so but then just refuses to find any symbols in it
[23:19] <smspillaz> yeah, sure, hang on
[23:19] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, could you make an upstream merge proposal?  It should be good to go upstream now
[23:21] <smspillaz> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/745454/
[23:21] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Sure, I can do that. Upstream, is that lp:lightdm?
[23:22] <smspillaz> RAOF: I'll get the code up somewhere, sec
[23:22] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yup
[23:22] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, what was the conclusion on /usr/share/language-tools/language-options?  Is that Ubuntu specific
[23:23] <RAOF> smspillaz: Got an extern "C" {} around the include?
[23:23] <smspillaz> ahh that might foil it
[23:23] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Yes. That call won't be there when we get at 12.04. Martin wants it to be replaced by some AccountsService method.
[23:24] <smspillaz> (I don't)
[23:24] <RAOF> Name mangling!
[23:24] <smspillaz> RAOF: for the record: lp:~smspillaz/compiz-core/compiz-core.test_vblank_waiter
[23:24] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, is there something we can commit for upstream that is equivalent (and carry the change in a patch for Ubuntu?)
[23:25] <smspillaz> RAOF: :( you're right
[23:25] <smspillaz> and to think I spent 5 hours yesterday tearing through the cmake source to find out what was going on
[23:25] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Actually it *can* be committed upstream - it won't break anything for non-Ubuntu users, since it falls back to 'locale -a' if the script isn't there.
[23:25] <broder> i always felt like libraries should do the extern "C" {} bit themselves
[23:25] <RAOF> They generally do.
[23:26] <smspillaz> they generally should
[23:26] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Guess it's up to you if you can accept a temporary solution upstream.
[23:26] <smspillaz> except if you're xf86drm and use non standard include paths and all kinds of other voodoo
[23:26] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, yeah, I'll have a look.  My preference is to only have "standard" things upstream
[23:26] <smspillaz> RAOF: of course, I could patch it upstream, but I imagine the response would be something like
[23:26] <smspillaz> "C++ sucks"
[23:27] <RAOF> I'm actually a bit surprised; a fair amount of mesa code is C++.
[23:27] <smspillaz> I know
[23:27] <smspillaz> RAOF: well, libdrm != mesa
[23:27] <Sarvatt> you lmean like http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/commit/?id=cfee5218b17a2741e5519ed44091171e01f0dbb2 ?
[23:27] <smspillaz> though its distributed under the same namespace
[23:28] <smspillaz> Sarvatt: if only .... :(
[23:28] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: thanks for sending the email to me. I'll get that to Rick. RAOF, at the end of the day could you send the auto-testing recap to me as well? thanks!
[23:28] <Sarvatt> its in libdrm 2.4.27
[23:29] <RAOF> Yeah, I was probably looking at an older checkout.
[23:29] <Sarvatt> (in precise)
[23:29] <RAOF> jasoncwarner_: Certainly.
[23:29] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Ok. I wait with the upstream MP then.
[23:29] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: thanks!
[23:29] <bryceh> auto-testing?
[23:29] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, no, just do the MP, I can remove things from it and commit them.  So then you do a merge and have a smaller diff
[23:30] <GunnarHj> robert_ancell: Aha, sure. Then I disconnect for a while, because I have Precise on a separate partition.
[23:31] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, ok
[23:32] <smspillaz> bryceh: if that was directed at me, then, yes, it was for auto-testing
[23:32] <smspillaz> I'm trying to get the vblank code that vanvugt has done tested outside of an opengl implementation
[23:32] <bryceh> smspillaz, ah
[23:33] <smspillaz> the hilarious thing is going to be when everyone on DX runs nvidia and can't run this test
[23:48]  * smspillaz slaps himself
[23:48] <smspillaz> I need to stop using unsigned int for everyhting
[23:48] <smspillaz> *everything
[23:49] <RAOF> Doing some signed compares? :)
[23:50] <RAOF> Bah.  Dear cmake: I really didn't change any files outside of test/.  Why are you rebuilding everything?
[23:50] <desrt> RAOF: easybuild!
[23:50] <RAOF> Bake!
[23:50]  * RAOF wonders if Robert has that on highight :)
[23:51]  * desrt wonders if robert_ancell has 'robert' on highlight
[23:51] <desrt> oops.
[23:51] <robert_ancell> desrt, I sure don't
[23:51] <RAOF> Nice work :)
[23:51] <desrt> robert_ancell: easy-build development looks stagnant since last time we talked about it
[23:51] <desrt> is that an accurate reflection of reality or am i looking at the wrong project?
[23:51] <robert_ancell> desrt, yes, been busy :(
[23:52] <desrt> fair enough
[23:52] <desrt> robert_ancell: i've been selling you to everyone i talk to
[23:52] <robert_ancell> desrt, oh damn.  Now I need to deliver ;)
[23:52] <desrt> robert_ancell: i did a recent talk at FSCONS about how to make a gnome application
[23:52] <desrt> it was embarassingly difficult
[23:52] <desrt> particularly setting up po/ and intltool
[23:53] <robert_ancell> desrt, yeah, there's a mountain of crap to climb
[23:56] <desrt> smspillaz: to sign or to unsign is one of the endless debates
[23:56] <desrt> there are two schools of thought on the subject
[23:57] <desrt> i think they're both wrong
[23:58] <desrt> insofar as i don't think it's possible to come to *any* sane conclusion regarding what is essentially a completely broken system


[00:04] <Snowhog> pietje_: Well, as Canonical Ltd. is sponsoring the CGManager Project, you could inquire on Ubuntuforums; if you have an account with them.
[00:06] <pietje_> I do not have an account with them
[00:06] <pietje_> I Will play around with different kernels a bit
[00:08] <pietje_> I have lost a lot of my recent ".bash_history"
[00:14] <MK> ok, while installing the kubuntu-desktio package, I ran into this bug, just wanted to let you guys know: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728
[00:15] <MK> it prevented ssdm from being configured properly and I had to uninstall the offending packages via a tty since it did not recognize my display anymore lol
[00:15] <MK> thankfully I know enough linux-fu that it didn't take me too long
[00:16] <pietje__> MK: Nice you could fix it yourself
[00:17] <MK> Yeah, thankfully I had another screen to look at
[00:18] <pietje__> My system just hung with the latest updates
[00:19] <pietje__> Hangs after I log in, even if it is in a console
[00:23] <MK> :S
[00:25] <MK> but anyways yeah, alert anyone to that bug if they try to install kde and unity at the same time. It won't let them unless they reject one or both sets of those packages
[00:27] <pietje__> First time I heard about it
[00:27] <pietje__> But I rarely ever come here
[00:28] <pietje__> Only when I have an issue lol
[00:30] <valorie> MK: please comment on the BR
[00:30] <valorie> so we know that it's still a problem
[00:31] <valorie> and please mention what version you are using
[00:31] <valorie> 16.04 LTS, 16.10, 17.04?
[00:31] <MK> 16.04 LTS. I don't have an account there though
[00:32] <valorie> :(
[00:32] <valorie> did you do an upgrade recently?
[00:32] <valorie> 16,.04.2 was released yesterday
[00:32] <MK> I made sure everything was up to date, but no I haven't updated versions no.
[00:33] <valorie> it wouldn't look like a version upgrade
[00:33] <valorie> just a point release
[00:33] <MK> lemme try to look it up. I don't know where anything is in KDE yet so lemme switch back to Unity :P
[00:33] <valorie> anyway, it would be good to know that's a problem
[00:34] <valorie> before 16.04.3
[00:34] <valorie> I'm not going to install unity just to check
[00:34] <MK> hah I mean just to check all my system info
[00:36] <MK> nvm Unity's broken evidently
[00:37] <MK> fun fun
[00:38] <MK> i'll report back in a bit
[00:38] <valorie> thank you
[00:41] <MK> when I try to open Unity, all I get is a System program problem detected popup and no desktop environment. I can click Report Problem, at least :P
[00:43] <MK> ah that needs a login too. Said it was an issue with the accounts provider, probably due to the telepathy thing I uninstalled. Lemme try to reinstall that...
[00:51] <valorie> launchpad login is required for a lot of stuff, but once you have it, it works everywhere in ubuntu-land
[00:54] <MK> ok I'm on 16.04.2, yes.
[00:55] <MK> Unity is unusable but Plasma works fine
[00:57] <MK> But I have no idea if it updated to 16.04.02 before or during the installation of kubuntu-desktop lol
[00:58] <MK> where can I look at package history with kde?
[01:00] <MK> ah so the package manager is called Discover... which package do I look for that would indicate I went to 16.04.2?
[02:10] <ivanno> hellp
[04:22] <mozammel> Hi, I'm having a issue, composing mail on kmail, I cant get autocomplete of email. I'm using Kmail 5.2.5 ; plama 5.8.5, KUBUNTU 16.10, ... any help please
[08:42] <kcroot_> hi guys, how change icon of k menu?
[08:57] <hateball> kcroot_: that's in your theme
[10:41] <kcroot_> hateball: where?
[11:17] <hateball> kcroot_: hmm, actually seems in plasma 5 you can just rightclick the kicker and go into settings and pick a new icon
[11:50] <kcroot_> hateball: it works :)
[11:52] <hateball> kcroot_: :)
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[21:23] <waylundy> as much as ive been enjoying kde via kubuntu 16.10...its been super buggy w korganizer and other things crashing
[21:24] <waylundy> should i uninstall apport? heard it sometimes gives false notifications
[23:18] <ferociousmadman> Anyone ever get a flickering screen problem with kubuntu?
[23:18] <ferociousmadman> I seem to have that today, I did not have that problem yesterday
[23:19] <ferociousmadman> It happens whenever I move any windows or applications around on my machine or minimize/maximize windows.
[23:22] <ferociousmadman> Actually never mind, I seem to have fixed it.... I went to System Setting > Hardware > Display and Monitor > Compositor and changed animation speed to instant.


[00:00] <craigbass1976> I apt-get removed kubunt-desktop and lubuntu-desktop, but I still see the lubuntu splash screen during boot, and the login screen is from kde.  Meh?  How to I get rid of Unity while I'm at it?
[00:01] <Unit193> !purexfce
[00:01] <Unit193> You just removed a metapackage, won't do anything.
[00:06] <AyaneForever> Honestly if you want pure xfce you should just do debian with xfce on top, you're going to be left with dependencies if you're on xubuntu.
[00:32] <uglyoldbob> so the xubuntu installer crashed because my hard drive wasn't partitioned
[00:32] <Unit193> Right, if you're sure you want to try and use Xubuntu on that hardware, try the !alternate installer.
[02:16] <craigbass1976> I've lost my battery meter.  Is this a fairly common occurrance?
[04:35] <xubuntu690> hey guys any one out there i need some help ?
[04:36] <holstein> xubuntu690: just ask
[04:37] <baizon> hmm
[04:37] <baizon> a ok
[05:15] <LiquidEdge> So, things are moving really, really slow on a fresh install on a computer that is faster than the other one I have running xubuntu.
[05:15] <LiquidEdge> Seems to be accessing my hard drive a lot.  Could it be that I made the swap file too big?
[05:15] <LiquidEdge> Or maybe the hard drive is just a slow one?
[05:43] <baizon> LiquidEdge: i would choose the second thought
[05:44] <baizon> but you can check how much swap space is used
[05:44] <LiquidEdge> How do check?
[05:47] <baizon> LiquidEdge: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Why_is_my_swap_not_being_used.3F
[06:36] <m123> hello! whatever theme I choose the window title always has the same color. how can I fix it?
[06:39] <Sysi> m123: change window manager theme in window manager settings
[06:40] <m123> Sysi: oh, thanks! I looked at window manager tweaks not window manager settings and was very surprised I couldn't find it :-)
[06:42] <penreturns> right click at desktop
[08:37] <xubuntu703> hi, i first installed 12.04 beta but now not sure the upgrade has been done... how can i check that on my system ? thanks !
[08:38] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  and you don't need to "check", you'll have it.
[08:39] <Sysi> or find something related to updates in menu
[08:41] <xubuntu703> ok thanks! actually i already used the graphhical updater ... but wanted to be sure: it seems that the "development branch" tag has disapeared ... right ?
[08:44] <cousteau> Clicking on a window gives focus to it.  Scrolling on a window ("button" 4/5) also gives focus to it.  Would it be possible NOT to give focus on a window when clicking with these "buttons"?
[08:46] <cousteau> (since it's not actually a click, even if the system recognizes it as such)
[08:46] <Sysi> cousteau: window manager tweaks/settings -> "raise/activate windows with all mouse buttons"
[08:47] <cousteau> which tab
[08:47] <cousteau> (anbd where did my "?" go?)
[08:48] <cousteau> oh wait, I was in "window manager", not in "window manager settings"
[08:50] <cousteau> ...so, what tab?
[08:50] <Sysi> I'm not gonna make a video about this
[08:51] <cousteau> found it :)
[08:51] <Sysi> (because I'm not on xfce and I can't right now)
[08:51] <cousteau> damn, it was just "tell me which of all the tabs"...  also, it's harder to find if my locale is different :(
[08:51] <cousteau> Sysi, oh ok :/
[08:51] <cousteau> the settings manager needs tooltips
[08:52] <cousteau> well, gotta go, thanks
[08:53] <Sysi> I think people should use gnome3/shell/unity if they can't bother browsing trough settings and trying different things :/
[08:53] <Sysi> it took whole day with kde
[09:22] <Azhoral> hi all
[09:23] <brunotevesmedeir> Hi
[09:23] <knome> hey Azhoral, brunotevesmedeir
[09:23] <brunotevesmedeir> There someone who can help me
[09:24] <knome> !someone
[09:25] <brunotevesmedeir> Oh, sorry! Its my first time here
[09:25] <Azhoral> I have problem with "monitor" resolution" after upgrade my dist to 12.04.  Videocard and 3d seems correct but monitor recognize only 1024x768 (no more)
[09:25] <Azhoral> before upgrade all worked good..
[09:27] <brunotevesmedeir> I screwed up my login settings... on Xubuntu 12.04, was trying to get auto login but instead i get noting now! I cant enter anything now
[09:28] <brunotevesmedeir> Is there a way to recover it without reinstalling Xubuntu?
[09:30] <brunotevesmedeir> Please people, i need help with this!
[09:34] <Sysi> Azhoral: what video card model, what driver?
[09:34] <Sysi> brunotevesmedeir: what did you *do*?
[09:34] <Azhoral> i tested with more monitor.. i got same problem... video card is intel embedded
[09:34] <brunotevesmedeir> Changed the lightdm.conf file
[09:34] <Azhoral> sec for model
[09:36] <Sysi> Azhoral: if you run xrandr in terminal, what's biggest resolution it suggests?
[09:36] <Azhoral> 1024x768
[09:36] <Azhoral> but monitor is syncmaster 2032bw (wide)
[09:37] <Azhoral> and with previous xubu 10.XX  got more then 1680x1050
[09:37] <Sysi> brunotevesmedeir: Ctrl Alt F6 should give you console login, you can change that file back in there
[09:38] <Sysi> Azhoral: do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[09:38] <Azhoral> if i use cvt 1280 1024 he give me many parameter
[09:38] <Azhoral> no after upgrade.. upgrade cancelled
[09:39] <Azhoral> the upgrade to 12.04 change my xubu
[09:39] <brunotevesmedeir> Ok, thank you Sysi! Gonna try it
[09:39] <Azhoral> with ddcprobe i got all resolution
[09:39] <Azhoral> 1280x1024x256
[09:39] <Azhoral> 64k and 16m
[09:40] <Azhoral> intel 82945g chipset of intel
[09:40] <Azhoral> i tested with 2 monitor (samsung 2032bw and hp w2448hc ) and i got same problem
[09:40] <Azhoral> before upgrade all was good
[09:41] <Azhoral> i upgraded cause i needed boost 1.48 dev
[09:41] <Azhoral> for develop
[10:00] <TrackerDPP> hello all
[10:06] <magnus> hmm,  upgraded to 12.04, now I can't open a .xlsx file... new MS Excel file format. Any ideas?
[10:07] <knome> i don't know if gnumeric supports that, might want to try libreoffice calc if it's really important
[10:07] <aquix> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/install-xfce-410-in-xubuntu-1204.html
[10:08] <aquix> 4.10 ppa
[10:08] <magnus> tried both
[10:08] <magnus> damn MS
[10:13] <knome> magnus, yeah. the other solution is to wait until someone reverse-engineers the new format...
[10:14] <magnus> knome: just found out the file was actually corrupt!
[10:14] <knome> magnus, or just get somebody with the new excel open it for you and convert to an older format
[10:14] <knome> aha:)
[10:14] <magnus> re-downloaded, and it worked :)
[10:14] <knome> damn MS still! ;)
[10:14] <magnus> oh yea ;)
[10:14] <magnus> why they have to go and screw things up.... but I guess thats just the MS way
[11:54] <AndreeeCZ_> hi, i have a fresh install of xubuntu 12.04, how can i remove the blue icon with exclamation mark on it? Or just hide it? I would also like to hide the bluetooth icon and messaging icon :)
[11:54] <AndreeeCZ_> pls, thx :)
[12:49] <aguitel> is ppa xfce 4.10 running fine in 12.04 ?
[12:50] <ochosi> from my xp yes
[12:50] <ochosi> but there's no support for it
[12:51] <ochosi> so if you bork your system, you're on your own (from our -dev point of view)
[12:51] <aguitel> what is xp ?
[12:55] <ochosi> experience?
[12:59] <aguitel> how restore original place frm icons in panel ?
[13:15] <aguitel> how Restore default settings in xfce ?
[13:16] <baizon> what settings?
[13:17] <aguitel> baizon, panel and icons
[13:17] <baizon> aguitel: create a new panel :)
[13:18] <aguitel> no,restore panel and icons
[13:18] <baizon> aguitel: or use this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286739
[13:19] <aguitel> ok thanks
[13:20] <baizon> np
[13:29] <AndreeeCZ_> hi, i have a fresh install of xubuntu 12.04, how can i remove the blue icon with exclamation mark on it? Or just hide it? I would also like to hide the bluetooth icon and messaging icon :) Thank you
[13:31] <aquix> blue icon with exclamation mark means the the icon links to nothing I think. Just right click and remove it, and make new shortcuts for what you need.
[13:38] <ochosi> AndreeeCZ_: maybe the best way is to uninstall the indicators, if you don't wanna use them (e.g. indicator-messages)
[13:39] <AndreeeCZ_> ochosi: i want to use them, but i would like to hide them like the battery icon :)
[13:43] <ochosi> AndreeeCZ_: that's not really possible, the battery icon is a systray-icon (so it's in the notification plugin), whereas the ones you mention are indicators, which are in the indicator-plugin
[13:43] <ochosi> for now there's no way to hide indicators
[13:49] <xubuntu393> when installing i keep getting the error: the installer encountered an error copying files to the hard disk: [Errno5]
[13:50] <xubuntu393> same error when installing from usb and cd
[13:50] <xubuntu393> i've tried burning on cd at lower speed no difference
[13:50] <xubuntu393> could iso i downloaded be corrupted perhaps?
[13:50] <babble> have you checked the md5 checksum?
[13:51] <xubuntu393> no. do i download it separately? if so where from? (i'm a novice to linux/ubuntu)
[13:52] <babble> there should be an md5 file at the same place you downloaded your Xubuntu installer.
[13:52] <babble> for example, here:
[13:52] <babble> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/
[13:53] <babble> md5 sums for the 12.04 images are here:
[13:53] <babble> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/12.04/release/MD5SUMS
[13:54] <babble> to check your image, in a terminal, run:
[13:54] <babble> md5sum /path/to/xubuntu-12.04*.iso
[13:55] <babble> that will give you a hash you can compare against the posted md5 sums. if yours doesn't match, your image is bad
[13:55] <xubuntu393> thanks a lot babble. so for that command to work the md5 sum should be in same directory as iso?
[13:56] <babble> no, you can do it from anywhere - it will print a checksum number in your terminal
[13:56] <babble> but if you're not *starting* your terminal in the same directory as your image, you'll need to specify a path to it
[13:56] <babble> for example, if your downloaded image is in your downloads directory, your path would be:
[13:57] <babble> /home/$USERNAME/Downloads/xubuntu-12.04... (i386, amd64, etc.)
[13:58] <xubuntu393> ok so i just compare the cheksum number it prints with the appropriate checksum in the directory you mentioned above
[13:58] <babble> yes.
[13:58] <xubuntu393> thanks again for the help.
[13:58] <babble> which image are you trying to use? (64-bit or 32-bit?)
[14:17] <Belserusk> Hi all. In GNOME2 I can hit Alt+k+PrintScreen ... how can I do this in Xfce?
[14:18] <babble> which screenshot does alt-k give you?
[14:18] <Pici> Belserusk: Thats a kernel feature, so you can do it anywhere.
[14:18] <Pici> !sysreq
[14:18] <Pici> Its one of the magic sysrq keys.
[14:18] <Pici> !sysrq
[14:19] <Pici> well, not those listed.
[14:19] <babble> heh
[14:19] <babble> ahhh.
[14:19] <Belserusk> Thank you Pici.
[14:19] <babble> the stuff I avoid just switching to a console and rebooting ;)
[14:25]  * drc yawns, grabs a cuppa and nods respectfully to the awesomeness assembled here.
[14:25] <drc> :)
[14:49] <syk> dpkg: error: failed to write status database record about 'libarchive12' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status': No space left on device
[14:49] <syk> does that error mean im out of space? :\
[14:50] <holstein> syk: it seems to imply that.. have you checked the space on the device?
[14:51] <syk> holstein, i just installed, i think i may have screwed up on my partitions.
[14:52] <syk> brb ima boot into live cd
[15:12] <toodiesel> hey all, i'm running xinerama on 2 monitors and if my mouse speed is fast when switching screens (right to left), the mouse is placed all the way to the left of the left screen, but if i go slow, it will act "normally"
[16:02] <malaverdiere1> Hello. I am having some weird problem with a apt-get and I am not sure how to fix it
[16:03] <malaverdiere1> http://www.pastebin.ca/2147556
[16:07] <baizon> omg
[16:07] <baizon> that guy waited 2 min
[16:08] <baizon> :(
[16:09] <Pici> Well, if he comes back, it looks like he has non-standard repositories enabled.
[16:24] <martinphone> does ping work this way in a terminal? ping http://for-no-reason.net
[16:25] <baizon> ping for-no-reason.net
[16:28] <xubuntu198> hello everyone.
[16:30] <aguitel> work yes
[16:32] <penreturns> hello
[16:35] <aguitel> how works upgrade from ppa to xfce 4.10 ?
[16:36] <bazhang> !addppa | aguitel
[16:36] <martinphone> i have a 2GB RAM laptop, and every time I play a 5GB mkv movie the laptop slows down a lot, is it because of the 2GB RAM?
[16:37] <aguitel> bazhang, yes i know, but my question is for if it is running fine this upgrade
[16:37] <martinphone> framerate decreases, pixelate decreses quality, image freezes
[16:37] <martinphone> but sounds keeps playing
[16:38] <bazhang> aguitel, its a PPA, it's unsupported and at your own risk
[16:38] <aguitel> bazhang, no more words ?
[16:38] <bazhang> aguitel, about what?
[16:39] <aguitel> bazhang, stability
[16:39] <aguitel> bugs
[16:39] <aguitel> something else
[16:39] <bazhang> aguitel, PPA and stable are not things I think of together
[16:39] <bazhang> aguitel, it may be, or not. no telling
[16:39] <aguitel> bazhang, you make the upgrade ?
[16:40] <bazhang> aguitel, I avoid all PPA , save one
[16:40] <aguitel> ok
[16:40] <bazhang> and that one is the developers themselves recommend
[16:42] <aguitel> what that means
[16:42] <bazhang> handbrake PPA
[16:56] <linuxfreaker> Ubuntu 10.04 is unable to detect RAID hard disk on Dell R620
[16:56] <linuxfreaker> Any idea how can it be detected?
[17:04] <holstein> linuxfreaker: i would try 12.04 live
[17:05] <holstein> i would confirm the hardware is "working" with some live CD as well
[17:05] <linuxfreaker> holstein: I need to install 10.04 on R620
[17:05] <linuxfreaker> holstein: I explored LSI website and have got the driver
[17:05] <linuxfreaker> holstein: But dont know how to load the driver (.tar.gz) during the instalation
[17:06] <holstein> linuxfreaker: is it a linux driver?
[17:06] <linuxfreaker> holstein: yes
[17:06] <linuxfreaker> holstein: http://www.lsi.com/channel/products/storagecomponents/Pages/MegaRAIDSAS9240-4i.aspx
[17:06] <holstein> usually drivers like that are just in place, which is why i would like to see the hardware confirmed functional before installing drivers that are already there
[17:07] <linuxfreaker> holstein: http://www.lsi.com/downloads/Public/MegaRAID%20Common%20Files/Ubuntu_10.04_LTS_05.30.zip
[17:07] <linuxfreaker> holstein: this is the one
[17:08] <linuxfreaker> holstein: Last time I compiled one for FreeBSD and it did worked
[17:08] <linuxfreaker> holstein: Some suggested pressing F6 but I dont see any relevant option
[17:09] <holstein> linuxfreaker: i would confirm the hardware is working... then there should be directions with that package, or maybe the package maintainer could help you
[17:09] <holstein> typically, those drivers are just in the kernel.
[17:10] <linuxfreaker> holstein: If its there,,it shud have detected the RAID hard disk
[17:10] <linuxfreaker> holstein: but it is not there
[17:11] <linuxfreaker> holstein: Can u help me with loading this driver during installtion?
[17:11] <holstein> linuxfreaker: sure.. assumig the hard ware is functioning properly
[17:11] <holstein> linuxfreaker: you could share the readme, and i'll give it a look
[17:11] <linuxfreaker> holstein: ok
[17:12] <linuxfreaker> holstein: http://www.lsi.com/downloads/Public/MegaRAID%20Common%20Files/README_FOR_Ubuntu_10.04_LTS_05.30.zip.txt
[17:13] <holstein> linuxfreaker: how did 12.04 do?
[17:13] <linuxfreaker> holstein: I have not tested 12.04
[17:14] <linuxfreaker> holstein: so dont have idea
[17:15] <holstein> linuxfreaker: i would/did suggest trying 12.04
[17:16] <linuxfreaker> holstein: I am concerned about 10.04
[17:16] <syk> anyone know how to get app-global  menu to work in 12.04?
[17:17] <baizon> syk: compile it by yourself
[17:17] <baizon> i did it and it works
[17:17] <syk> :\
[17:17] <syk> mind telling me where to start? never really did it
[17:18] <holstein> linuxfreaker: whats your concern?
[17:18] <baizon> syk: i can give you my package if you want
[17:18] <baizon> but no guarantee
[17:19] <syk> ok
[17:19] <baizon> syk: you got x64?
[17:19] <syk> yes
[17:20] <baizon> good
[18:59] <AyaneForever> Has anyone had luck getting their play/pause key on the keyboard to control Spotify? Spotify integrates with the sound menu well and has D-Bus now so it should be do able
[19:06] <astraljava> Haven't looked into it at all, but now that you mention it, I guess I should. It works well on my Mac.
[19:54] <xubuntu047> salut
[19:54] <xubuntu047> j'ai un souci, quelqu'un parle français???
[20:01] <gridl0ck> pose ta question a place de dire que ta un probleme :)
[20:02] <gordonjcp> hello
[20:03] <gordonjcp> is there a mixer control applet for the panel?  I've had a look, and I can only find one for pulse
[20:04] <aquix> there is a volume icon in the indicator applet
[20:05] <gordonjcp> aquix: yeah, but it only works with pulseaudio
[20:05] <gordonjcp> I want to get rid of that, and pulse
[20:06] <aquix> oh, don't know, I use a dock
[20:15] <xubuntu564> Running latest xubuntu I can not chmod any file in an additonally mounted USB HDD though it is writable and I have copied a file to it already. What can be the cause?
[20:21] <pimperle> where did the pulseaudio applet go? has it been renamed in precise?
[20:22] <GridCube> nope
[20:22] <syk> anyone on xfce 4.10 that has xfce4-appmenu-plugin working?
[20:22] <GridCube> if you lost your sound control is because you closed the plugin indicator from the panel
[20:22] <GridCube> it restart for network but not for sound
[20:23] <GridCube> thus you need to add a new plugin indicator to the panel and then delete the other, else the plugin indicator would simply restart without sound applet
[20:25] <pimperle> i'm sure i did not close it. i readded the volume control applet, but it's not the pulse version in which i could launch pavucontrol from the context menu. instead it looks like the xfce volume meter.
[20:25] <GridCube> pimperle, add a new plugin indicator
[20:25] <GridCube> :/
[20:26] <pimperle> what is a plugin indicator?
[20:26] <pimperle> a normal applet you add to the status area where other notification applets reside?
[20:27] <GridCube> right click > panel > add new element > search for plugin indicator, add it
[20:27] <GridCube> its the place where all the 'buntu related indicators reside
[20:27] <GridCube> like, networking, sound, mailing
[20:27] <pimperle> yes, i have that area visible
[20:27] <pimperle> but inside the sound applet is missing
[20:27] <GridCube> yes
[20:28] <GridCube> you need to add a new one
[20:28] <pimperle> ah, i see
[20:28] <GridCube> because it fails to restart the sound part
[20:28] <GridCube> it happens because you mistakenly once, closed your plugin indicator without noticing it
[20:29] <pimperle> ok, now its back. thanks a lot
[20:29] <pimperle> sorry for not getting what you meant
[20:30] <GridCube> :) not a problem
[20:30] <GridCube> i have to bug report that
[20:38] <hebas> hi, the option of print in gnupaint doesnt work witn xubuntu 12.04 lts, there is some software similar without gnome libs and with option of print?
[20:39] <GridCube> not that i know of
[20:42] <martinphone> can I use thunderbird with skydrive?
[20:45] <hebas>   gnupaint  is supported for gnu yet ?
[20:46] <GridCube> !info gnupaint
[20:46] <GridCube> don't know, but it aint in the repos
[20:46] <hebas> in xubuntu precise i had gnupaint in the repos
[20:47] <aquix> I might suggest pinta instead. very nice paint program
[20:48] <hebas> aquix pinta work without gnome libs?
[20:49] <GridCube> aquix, i agree, but its based on mono and deosnt have printing capabilities
[20:49] <mprice> its listed as gpaint instead of gnu paint
[20:49] <aquix> hebas  I have it installed here
[20:50] <GridCube> !info gpaint
[20:50] <GridCube> :P then there is it
[20:52] <hebas> ubottu ok gpaint will be optional but this soffware is in the repos of xubuntu precise
[20:52] <GridCube> !bot
[20:53] <GridCube> hebas, if it says its optional, its because its oficial in the repos :)
[20:54] <hebas> aquix has pinta a option for print?
[20:55] <GridCube> no
[20:55] <GridCube> it has not
[20:55] <GridCube> my gpaint do
[20:55] <GridCube> i just installed it
[20:57] <GridCube> but it prints lots of noise
[20:57] <aquix> hebas don't think so, or not yet anyway.
[21:04] <LiquidEdge> Hey crew
[21:04] <LiquidEdge> I keep coming back to my computer and it has rebooted.
[21:04] <GridCube> sup
[21:05] <LiquidEdge> Any idea of how I might be able to see what's up?
[21:05] <GridCube> mmhm
[21:06] <GridCube> you could check your /var/log/syslog
[21:06] <GridCube> and see if theres any warning there
[21:08] <xubuntu564> Hi folks, running latest xubuntu from CD I can not chmod any file in an additonally mounted USB HDD though it is writable and I have copied a file to it already. What can be the cause? Any help appreciated
[21:08] <LiquidEdge> Nothing there of interest.
[21:10] <LiquidEdge> xubuntu564:  What's the full command you're using?
[21:11] <xubuntu564> chmod 777 file or chmod u+x file - nothing does it
[21:12] <GridCube> xubuntu564, what format does the usb has?
[21:12] <GridCube> if its not ext then you cant change it
[21:13] <xubuntu564> good question - guess you mean the type, like NTFS or so?
[21:14] <GridCube> yes
[21:19] <xubuntu564> how do I check it, it is not visible in the properties of the file browser and I dont know a proper command for that?
[21:19] <xubuntu564> Is fuseblk a format (is in /etc/mtab for it)
[21:19] <GridCube> xubuntu564, sudo fdisk -l
[21:20] <GridCube> or gparted should tell you
[21:21] <xubuntu564> thx, it is  HPFS/NTFS
[21:21] <xubuntu564> so what can I do?
[21:21] <GridCube> :P then there you have it
[21:22] <GridCube> xubuntu564, weeeel
[21:22] <GridCube> you can reformat it to ext3
[21:22] <xubuntu564> not a good option, any alternative?
[21:24] <GridCube> not that i know off
[21:24] <GridCube> you are trying to do *nix stuff on a MS format
[21:25] <xubuntu564> yep, the damn PC where I run xubuntu is an MS PC with an encryting Trojan on it, I try to save some of the stuff on the C partition
[21:27] <xubuntu564> so I wanted to run XU with photorec as recovery but the damn tool is rw only allthough it is rwx when I connect the HDD to my ubuntu PC
[21:28] <GridCube> xubuntu564, but you can install it to the live session
[21:28] <xubuntu564> ???
[21:30] <GridCube> you can install it to run as the rest of the live session works
[21:30] <GridCube> from ram
[21:30] <GridCube> simply sudo apt-get install testdisk
[21:32] <xubuntu564> GridCube, is it on the std xubunto dist or do I need web access to download it then - Would try but the PC  shows black eagle on black background :-/
[21:32] <xubuntu564> need to reboot
[21:32] <GridCube> you need network accsess
[21:34] <xubuntu564> ok, thanks a lot GridCube, think I have to try that tomorrow then
[21:34] <GridCube> :)
[21:54] <Elchzard> Under SEH Team
[22:05] <Cygnus-X1> A Xubuntu success story:  http://www.facebook.com/arthur.h.johnson/posts/3454914604934
[22:05] <Cygnus-X1> That's TWO I owe Xubuntu!
[23:06] <xubuntu351> Hi!
[23:07] <xubuntu351> Having a bit of trouble
[23:08] <GridCube> !details
[23:10] <xubuntu351> xubuntu 11.10, i've booted up, but have no title bars on any windows, and I can't see anything under window manager settings. worked fine until today.
[23:11] <xubuntu351> rebooted twice, still a problem
[23:13] <xubuntu351> the dock used to be transpaprent, but now appears the same colour as the top panel, dont know if thats relevant
[23:13] <GridCube> xubuntu351, press ctrl-F2 and write: xfwm4 -replace
[23:14] <xubuntu351> and the max/min buttons on firefox do nothing
[23:14] <GridCube> and see faq 5: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/
[23:14] <xubuntu351> ok, will try
[23:14] <GridCube> pardon me. alt-f2
[23:14] <GridCube> :(
[23:18] <xubuntu351> that's done it. will bookmark faq, thx


[01:46] <qkzoo1978> hello
[06:05] <absk007> is there any hosts file manager e.g. hostsman for Windows
[06:07] <wxl> absk007: http://alternativeto.net/software/hostsman/?platform=linux
[06:07] <absk007> wxl, nothing
[06:07] <absk007> already searched
[06:07] <wxl> absk007: that's all i got.
[06:08] <wxl> absk007: looks like you can run it in wine http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=147710
[06:09] <absk007> wxl, spybot Search and Destroy goes one step further by immunizing individual browsers
[07:02] <shay_shay> any installer devs here
[07:02] <shay_shay> major derp in the current installer images
[07:03] <shay_shay> btrfs-tools is completely missing from the iso
[07:03] <shay_shay> lol
[07:03] <shay_shay> which is one of the options in the manual partitioner
[07:04] <shay_shay> its fine for me because i made one with it
[07:04] <shay_shay> but if you try to install on btrfs with the current installer it gets an error
[07:29] <jared> shay_shay: the developers aren't always around but if you think it's important you can log a bug for them to see.
[08:08] <absk007> how to use openvpn client easily?
[08:44] <Junka> hello, when i start a guest session i get an error "No session for pid xxxx"
[09:20] <junka1> i am junka. I switched to my home user account without loginout from the guest account
[09:20] <junka1> when i tried to go back i got a new guest session
[09:21] <junka1> with a different pid
[09:30] <Couchmonster> Heyho
[09:31] <Couchmonster> Is there anyone related to the lubuntu HP
[09:31] <Couchmonster> the documentation section is down
[09:31] <Couchmonster> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation
[10:09] <switchtehbeat> sup
[12:06] <user123321> Please help, my machine crashed at 17.20 display time, rebooted with ctrl+alt+printscreen+r+i+u+s+b,  kernal log around that time: http://pastebin.com/mm0tUxzm
[12:06] <user123321> thanks :)
[13:03] <testdr> user123321: your pastebin says: this paste has been removed
[13:23] <JunKa> is there a way to make sylpheed use the native notify osd?
[13:31] <JunKa> nvm
[13:40] <JunKa> when i run users
[13:41] <JunKa> i see my guest-xxxxx user account
[13:41] <JunKa> but when i do login guest-xxxxx and enter blank password it fails
[14:07] <wxl> phillw: not yet
[14:15] <JunKa> how can i create notifications?
[14:33] <holstein> JunKa: for what? where?
[14:34] <holstein> JunKa: you are trying to login as guest in a terminal? i dont know that you can do that.. guest is a "special" user account that doesnt remember things
[14:35] <JunKa> yes i know holstein, but i haven't logged out so the session is still there
[14:35] <holstein> JunKa: no
[14:35] <holstein> JunKa: its not the way it works.. you get a new environment each time
[14:36] <holstein> JunKa: if you want to be able to save states, you'll need a traditional account.. the guest accout is just for guests to use, to isolate and limit them
[14:36] <JunKa> holstein: have you tried ubuntu? if you select from the gear on top right the guest session it returns me to my session
[14:36] <holstein> JunKa: ok..
[14:36] <JunKa> IF i haven't logged out
[14:36] <holstein> JunKa: its still not designed to be that way, and lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[14:36] <JunKa> but just switched
[14:37] <holstein> JunKa: if i want an account that acts like a traditional account, i make one.. thats what i suggest.. dont expect to leave the guest account and come back like that
[14:37] <JunKa> i know but ubuntu's fast switch user was able to do it
[14:37] <holstein> JunKa: if ubuntu is addressing that somehow, you can ask about it and apply it to lubuntu, since lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[14:37] <wxl> …though it will probably require tons of extra cruft
[14:37] <holstein> JunKa: then, use the fact user switcher.. lubuntu is lxde + ubuntu, and lxde is *light* .. thats what the l is for
[14:38] <wxl> since ubuntu == extra cruft
[14:38] <holstein> JunKa: so, there are many things that are not in the "ligher" distros
[14:38] <JunKa> i know i was just wondering if there was an alternative way
[14:38] <holstein> JunKa: but still, even in ubuntu, the purspose of the guest account is not that.. i suggest making another user account regardless, if you want a traditional user
[14:39] <JunKa> holstein: -_- you missing the point
[14:39] <holstein> JunKa: if you want to add that funcitonality, add the tool
[14:39] <holstein> JunKa: im sharing my opinion that its a bad idea to trust the guest account in this way
[14:39] <JunKa> i have no idea what tool is that, besides it's probably a gnome thing
[14:40] <holstein> JunKa: the "fast user switcher" you reference
[14:40] <wxl> JunKa: and you're right it's probably built into the de somehow.
[14:40] <holstein> JunKa: gnome is gtk.. lxde (at least for now) is gtk.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu, so add the tool from ubuntu to lubuntu if you want it
[14:40] <holstein> JunKa: what notifications are you trying to create where? with what?
[14:41] <wxl> JunKa: so you have to decide how important it is to have the fast user switcher versus creating your own regular user account to act as guest
[14:42] <JunKa> http://www.hecticgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/System-menu-in-Ubuntu-14.04-LTS.png
[14:42] <JunKa> here that;s the thing
[14:42] <JunKa> i can go back and forth this way
[14:42] <JunKa> but not if i go back to lightdm
[14:43] <holstein> JunKa: correct.. this is as expected, friend
[14:43] <wxl> that's pretty much an intregal part of unity afaik JunKa
[14:43] <holstein> JunKa: if you want to add that tool, you likely can.. but, i say, if prefer the way unity is working you may just want to use it
[14:44] <holstein> JunKa: the guest account shouldnt be trusted that way, regardless. its not for that purpose.. its intended as an amnesia user that is isolated from your machine.. for guests
[14:44] <JunKa> ok let's let it be this way then
[14:44] <holstein> JunKa: you can create a user, which will work as you are needing easily from within lubuntu/lxde or any other de
[14:45] <holstein> JunKa: or, you can ask upstream what it is specifically that faciliates that functionality, and add it to lubuntu
[14:46] <JunKa> as for the notification, i want to create a 'new email' notification for sylpheed. Sylpheed preferences allow me to add a command by i don't know what to input, notify-send wants me to install another package
[14:47] <holstein> JunKa: i would expect to install whatever is already made that would facilitate the funcitonality.. is the other package a notification for sylpheed?
[14:48] <holstein> otherwise, i would just try and test sending something til it works.. i have, in the past, switched notifiers for such functionality.. are you able to send a notification from a terminal?
[14:48] <JunKa> sylpheed does not have any and i dont wanna install extra packages
[14:48] <JunKa> i have xfce-notifyd, and i'd like to use that
[14:49] <JunKa> but i am not familiar with the command
[14:49] <holstein> JunKa: notification systems are quite reasonable in size.. i personally would just use what is being suggested
[14:49] <holstein> if you are so tight on space that a notification system cant fit on the hard drive, i dont think you'll be able to use the system for anything like downloading emails..
[14:50] <JunKa> lubuntu creates notification by default
[14:50] <JunKa> how can i recreate one
[14:50] <JunKa> notifications*
[14:50] <holstein> one, what?
[14:50] <JunKa> notification
[14:51] <holstein> JunKa: what im saying is, i would test sending from the terminal
[14:51] <holstein> JunKa: i hear you asking "how do i send email notifications from sylpheed" and it has a custom notifcation config space
[14:51] <holstein> JunKa: i would use a terminal to test that i understand how to send, and that they are being sent.. notify-send 'Hello world!'
[14:52] <holstein> JunKa: can you send notifications from the terminal?
[14:52] <JunKa> no, notify-send is not the proper command
[14:53] <holstein> JunKa: friend, using *any* command, are you able to send from the terminal? if not, what commands are you using? what are the errors? please us a pastebin to help the volunteers help you..
[14:53] <holstein> !paste
[14:53] <holstein> JunKa: what command are you using? whats the output when you try "notify-send 'Hello world!' " ?
[14:54] <JunKa> i don't know other commands besides notify-send, that's what i am basically asking
[14:54] <holstein> JunKa: please, open a terminal, and run "notify-send 'Hello world!' " and paste the output here.. the errors
[14:54] <JunKa> The program 'notify-send' is currently not installed.
[14:55] <holstein> JunKa: why not install it?
[14:55] <holstein> sudo apt-get install notify-send
[14:55] <JunKa> I don;t want it. My system makes notifications e.g. network manager
[14:55] <JunKa> i just wanna figure out how
[14:56] <holstein> JunKa: sudo apt-get install notify-send
[14:56] <holstein> its quite small, and should allow you to send notifications as you are asking
[14:56] <holstein> !info notify-send
[14:56] <holstein> !info notify-osd
[14:57] <holstein> ^^
[14:58] <holstein> sudo apt-get install notify-osd
[15:01] <JunKa> ok holstein thank you
[17:22] <Nklobe> hmm i cant get this irc going in my normal client... is there anyone who's got a working conf beside this webclient?
[17:26] <wxl> Nklobe: yep
[17:26] <Nklobe> can you pass your url conf?
[17:26] <wxl> Nklobe: what client do you have?
[17:27] <Nklobe> f-irc
[17:27] <wxl> huh never heard of that
[17:27] <wxl> suffice it to say you need to use irc.freenode.org
[17:27] <wxl> 6667 should work fine or use 7000 with ssl
[17:27] <Nklobe> im new into irc and i needed a client so i just did a apt.cache search irc and picked one at random...  in the url
[17:30] <wxl> i think chat.freenode.org works too
[17:30] <Nklobe> yeah i have friends complaining about me not using irsii
[17:31]  * wxl shrugs
[17:31] <wxl> i love irssi
[17:31] <wxl> but it seems like f-irc might be the easier way to do things
[17:31] <Nklobe> yeah i just installed it and read the man page and i was good to go
[17:34] <wxl> Nklobe: do you know if it can do split windows? just vertically or horizontally as well?
[17:35] <Nklobe> hmm havent looked in to that... ill check i out
[17:36] <wxl> Nklobe: i've been meaning to switch to weechat for the split options available but even outside of that i heavily use the windows and splits available in irssi
[17:36] <wxl> i'm in 24 channels on freenode, and that's just this server, so i need the option to organize
[17:38] <Nklobe> i do not think it has the windowsplit.
[17:38] <wxl> it's useless to me then :)
[17:38] <Nklobe> but it very easy to navigate the channels, and im not a poweruser when it comes to irc so im satisfied at the moment!
[17:39]  * wxl nods
[20:03] <prettyconfused> hi everybody
[20:03] <prettyconfused> after installation tried to change language to German
[20:04] <prettyconfused> cannot apply systemwide, any hints?
[20:05] <prettyconfused> German is still "greyed out"
[20:05] <phillw> prettyconfused: did you install the full language pack?
[20:05] <prettyconfused> went to preferences, language
[20:06] <prettyconfused> went to "install/remove languages", chose German, packages were downloaded
[20:06] <prettyconfused> cannot apply changes, because German is not an option to choose :-(
[20:06] <phillw> prettyconfused: have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/LanguageSupport ?
[20:07] <prettyconfused> will have a look
[20:07] <prettyconfused> this is exactly what I did
[20:07] <phillw> prettyconfused: you 1st have to install total language support. There is not room on the CD to hold multiple languages
[20:08] <prettyconfused> distro is LXLE, 1,2 GB on usb stick
[20:08] <holstein> prettyconfused: this is lubuntu support.. lxle is *not* lubuntu
[20:08] <prettyconfused> English (United States) and English were preinstalled
[20:09] <holstein> prettyconfused: you can try the ubuntu documentation that is linked, but, they (lxle) may have changed anything in the loop there that could break the way its done in lubuntu/ubuntu
[20:09] <phillw> prettyconfused: I do not know what lxle use for language support.
[20:09] <prettyconfused> @holstein: its base on lubuntu
[20:09] <phillw> prettyconfused: and lubuntu is based on linux, same as red hat is... same instructions will not work :)
[20:09] <holstein> prettyconfused: sure.. and its *not* lubuntu. you can try the proceedure, and if you have issues, you must use lxle support.. we have no way of tracking what has happened to the base
[20:09] <prettyconfused> first time this happens to me, worked flawlessly when i did install distro before
[20:09] <Unit193> prettyconfused: So is Peppermint last I looked,  LXLE support is in #lxle
[20:10] <Unit193> What's the pull for LXLE over Lubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[20:10] <holstein> prettyconfused: let them know you are having issues with the product they make
[20:10] <prettyconfused> i am not ware that there is a lxle channel on freenode
[20:10] <wxl> Unit193: um it's lts, ummmm, errrr
[20:10] <prettyconfused> its 14.04 lts
[20:10] <holstein> prettyconfused: try the one listed above.. or the one that the lxle site suggests
[20:10] <Unit193> wxl: Exactly..
[20:10] <holstein> prettyconfused: its *not* though.. its lxle..
[20:11] <prettyconfused> @holstfein: you are totally right,
[20:11] <holstein> !tab
[20:11] <prettyconfused> as there are many folks in the lubuntu channel and lxle is based on lubuntu I thougt i could get some help#
[20:12] <wxl> prettyconfused: we don't deal with lxle. they could have changed all sorts of things.
[20:12] <prettyconfused> ubottu, thank yuo
[20:12] <prettyconfused> you
[20:12] <phillw> prettyconfused: http://lxle.net/support/
[20:12] <wxl> prettyconfused: the instructions WE have for lubuntu are documented above by phillw.
[20:13] <wxl> prettyconfused: if that doesn't work, then the problem probably exists in lxle.
[20:13] <phillw> they seem to have some sort of IRC channel.
[20:13] <holstein> prettyconfused: try the official ubuntu/lubuntu documentation.. but, there is no support for lxle here or at ubuntu
[20:13] <wxl> prettyconfused: i have an easy solution: get lubuntu.
[20:13] <phillw> +1
[20:13] <prettyconfused> wxl, lol
[20:13] <holstein> yeah.. its a larger community, if support is what you need..
[20:13] <wxl> prettyconfused: i'm serious! we know that well and can easily support it
[20:14] <prettyconfused> thanks anyway to everybody responding
[20:14] <testdr> prettyconfused: und Deutsch funktioniert einwandfrei sofort mit einem Lubuntu-14.04.1 Install von der Live-Version
[20:14] <phillw> prettyconfused: as our devs are spread across the world... one thing that does work... language support :)
[20:14] <prettyconfused> i have installed and used lubuntu, and its a great distro, thank you all
[23:44] <Replop> hi
[23:44] <Replop> how to open a terminal in a network share ?
[23:45] <Replop> I browsed PCManFM  , it gave me an smb:// adress , cding toward that in a terminal doesn't give good results