[07:02] <aneesh> hello
 Hi
[07:04] <guiverc> not quick enough @N0um3n0, but good try.
 Is gone in a minute? Xd
[07:12] <guiverc> hung around ~15 secs (almost anyway)
[13:17] <dataschutz> Dear all, is the kernel inside Lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS (alternate ISO) is HWE or GA
[13:17] <dataschutz> lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso this ISO.
[13:18] <dataschutz> download from  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[13:18] <guiverc> the alternate ISO was created in 2018-April & was not updated, so is the original GA stack & software of 18.04 (not 18.04.5)
[13:18] <guiverc> dataschutz, ^
[13:18] <dataschutz> OK thanks!
[13:18] <guiverc> don
[13:19] <dataschutz> this means the desktop ISO is with newer kernel?
[13:19] <dataschutz> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:19] <dataschutz> this one
[13:19] <guiverc> don't forget Lubuntu 18.04 ends support this month (yes packages in 'main' get 5 years, but you're off-topic here & many locations for flavors)
[13:19] <guiverc> that isn't the alterante ISO, that is a 18.04.5 ISO (live)
[13:20] <dataschutz> I need the newer kernel for a newer laptop...
[13:21] <guiverc> if it's a newer laptop, why get an alterante ISO; that's for machines with <768MB of RAM (ie. old hardware with limited resources)
 Use lubuntu 20.04 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <dataschutz> I need the newer kernel for a newer laptop...)
 Then you should take 20.04 or 21.04
[13:21] <dataschutz> I want to use the lxde (not lx-qt)
[13:22] <guiverc> Lubuntu is LXQt only from next month.
[13:22] <dataschutz> yes I do understand that :-)
 Then you should use a distro, which supports LXDE
 Then you should look in somewhere else. Debian maybe??? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> Lubuntu is LXQt only from next month.)
[13:22] <guiverc> LXDE is GTK2, which is EOL.  It's only partially supported where GIMP uses the libraries in Debian/Ubuntu...
[13:23] <dataschutz> I understand
[13:23] <dataschutz> thank for your ideas.
[13:24] <dataschutz> The main issue is that the themes in lxqt is very dark or very ugly (sorry). I will stick to lxde as long as it runs! :-)
[13:24] <guiverc> you can download & add new themes in LXQt just like you could in LXDE/GNOME/XFCE or any other desktop
 You're choice but remember if you keep lubuntu 18.04 you will be using an unsupported system (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <dataschutz> The main issue is that the themes in lxqt is very dark or very ugly (sorry). I will stick to lxde as long as it runs! :-))
[13:26] <dataschutz> OK thanks:-)  see you bye
[13:26] <guiverc> https://www.gnome-look.org/browse/cat/446/order/latest/   (but there are other places too..)
[13:27] <dataschutz> will look for it.
 What do we need to learn to be able to create themes for lxqt? Do you know of any tutorials on creating themes?
 Sorry, I guess this is offtopic..😬
 I have issue with shortcut for menu. If I press Super key the menu opens but when I press it again, it doesn't collapse. This is only on 21.04 (tried on both real hardware and VM). It is OK on 20.04 though.
 can you make a terminal emulator appear by pressing ctrl+alt+t?
 i just want to know wether it becomes visible or not
 Yes, Ctrl+Alt+T works. It opens Qterminal.
 ok then it appears to be a problem with the menu
 I cannot help with that
 maybe someone else?
 Is it OK on your end? I mean any of you running 21.04 currently?
 i run 21.04
 but i don't use the menu
 i use the runner (re @saivinob: Is it OK on your end? I mean any of you running 21.04 currently?)
 do you have the same with the runner?
 No. Super+R brings and collapses runner.
[14:58] <apt-ghetto> saivinob[m]: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/187
 apt-ghetto: thank you. No activity there since last Nov?! 😃


[08:10] <fractauralmotif> hi all, I just installed ubuntu studio, and am having trouble getting sound to work -- have 2 sound cards, basic system sounds work fine, game sounds work fine, but none of the nice audio tools & synthesizers work
[08:10] <fractauralmotif> in particular, they all seem to want /dev/dsp, and I don't have a /dev/dsp
[08:10] <fractauralmotif> any suggestions?
[08:11] <fractauralmotif> anyone familiar with how to use padsp?
[08:45] <jussi> fractauralmotif: its a bit of a quiet time and not many around. please hang around for a few hours, hopefully someone wakes up
[08:46] <jussi> fractauralmotif: feel free to also ask in #ubuntu, although thats a more general channel
[15:10] <clave> hello, .... there is a way to edit mp3 or wma in ardour?
[15:22] <persia> Most folk use audacity for that.  I suppose you could use some audio file as an input track, and then apply filters to it, and generate an output track, which ends up being sorta like editing.
[15:31] <clave> mmmm ok... thankyou
[15:32] <clave> well thankyou =) good bye
[18:56] <poine> any news on a realtime kernel for maverick ?
[18:56] <persia> Needs someone to volunteer to maintain one.
[18:57] <persia> Significantly unlikely for maverick, really.  Best chance, if there is a volunteer, is for the next release.
[18:57] <poine> is there any workaround for the moment ? I was stupid enought to upgrade my lucid and now I can't use my soundcard anymore
[18:57] <persia> workaround?
[18:58] <persia> If you need hard realtime, you'll need a realtime kernel.
[18:58] <poine> workaround as a way to get realtime working on maverick
[18:58] <persia> Since nobody is maintaining one, you get to make one yourself (please share if it works).
[18:59] <persia> I know there are a number of people interested in using one, but I don't think anyone is currently up for maintaining one  (although I'd be very happy if that changed)
[18:59] <poine> mmmm - I think I'd rather get a looppedal and stop using my laptop for music
[18:59] <poine> I'm a bit pissed off that this happened without any warning
[19:00] <persia> There was some mail on the mailing list.
[19:00] <persia> Where would you have expected to see a warning?
[19:01] <poine> in the wiki for example
[19:01] <poine> a big red banner saying "warning, maverick doesn't support real time anymore"
[19:02] <persia> There's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[19:02] <persia> See the "News" section.
[19:02] <poine> yes, at the time I update, that is on october 10, there was a realtime kernel for maverick
[19:03] <persia> Not in Ubuntu, although, yes, there was one in a PPA.
[19:03] <astraljava> poine: Not in the archives there wasn't.
[19:03] <poine> in abogani's ppa
[19:03] <persia> If you installed something from a PPA, it ought still work as well as it did then.  Nothing from any PPA gets any real support.
[19:11] <kbn> lol, just did the exact same thing poine :P
[19:15] <poine> one thing I don't get is why focus on the next release on not the current one ?
[19:16] <persia> The policy is that stuff has to work on the future release before it can be backported.
[19:16] <persia> So if someone wants to be part of Ubuntu, it makes sense to get a kernel working on the *next* release, and backport it.
[19:17] <persia> So that next release, everything just works perfectly for all the users.
[19:17] <persia> Otherwise, just when one gets something stable, another release happens, and one has to start all over, whilst the users complain that the upgrade experience wasn't good.
[19:17]  * persia is also a user, and does a *lot* of complaining about some things
[19:26] <holstein> more likely, a warning should be made that the realtime kernel is default
[19:26] <holstein> since some folk have issues with proprietary graphics drivers and the RT kernel
[19:26] <persia> What?
[19:26] <persia> I don't think we've had a default realtime for a while now.
[19:26]  * holstein just trying to say 'you cant please everyone' ;)
[19:27] <persia> Oh, certainly.
[19:29] <holstein> there is an RT kernel in lucid
[19:30] <holstein> i think the idea is that the way forward is to have the generic kernel be acceptable for our needs
[19:30] <holstein> and this seems to be happening
[19:30] <persia> Well, depends on the needs.
[19:30] <holstein> true
[19:31] <holstein> i still need an rt kernel
[19:31] <persia> But the generic kernel latency keeps dropping, which is nice.
[19:31] <holstein> much better all the time i find :)


[01:43] <robru> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1092734 am I the only person experiencing this bug? seems odd that nobody would have reported this until now
[01:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1092734 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Software updater crashes, cannot update software graphically." [High,New]
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[11:06] <tempin> hi
[11:07] <tempin> how can i search for / browse the availbable packages for ubuntu for arm? like 'apt-cache search' but online?
[11:08] <tempin> I want to search a bit before I replace my Angstrom with Ubuntu
[11:10] <persia> tempin: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <infinity> tempin: 99% of what you find in apt-cache on x86 will also be there on arm.
[11:10] <infinity> persia: packages.ubuntu.com doesn't list ports.
[11:10] <persia> someone should kill the very idea of ports :/
[11:10] <infinity> tempin: rmadison will work, if you're curious if ports are in sync for something specific.
[11:11] <infinity> persia: This isn't actually about the "ports" split at all, it's just that Rhonda hasn't gotten around to making it do all arches (I've asked).
[11:11] <infinity> persia: packages.ubuntu.com isn't an "official" service in any meaningful way.
[11:12] <infinity> tempin: Generally, unless you happen to have a deep love of haskell bits, you won't find anything missing on ARM that you care about, I imagine.
[11:12] <infinity> tempin: "Ubuntu for ARM" is about as meaningless as "Ubuntu for i386", it's all just Ubuntu, built for many arches.
[11:17] <tempin> infinity: thanks, didn't know that! I got a beaglebone as a gift and this is all completely new to me :)
[11:18] <infinity> tempin: It's one of the nicer things we inherited from Debian.  The idea that you can bounce from arch to arch and, other than some just inherently unportable or broken software, the rest is all there, in the same versions, and works exactly the same.
[11:19] <infinity> So, once you get past bootloaders, installers, and kernels being slightly different (sometimes), and you've logged in, you'll find it's indistinguishable from your Intel box.  Except slow. :P
[11:21]  * persia has intel machines that are slower than some arm machines with Ubuntu installed
[11:21] <infinity> I don't have any PPros that old (nor any A15s)
[11:22] <persia> Mine's an A100
[11:22] <infinity> I used to have slow Intel kit running Ubuntu (P200MMX), but we dropped support. :/
[11:22] <persia> I think at 450MHz, but it might be 600.  Used to run lpia, back when folk thought that was a good idea.
[11:22] <infinity> Ahh, yeah, a decent A9 would outperform that.
[11:23] <infinity> That said, the current crop of A15s will outperform a fair chunk of Intel hardware we support.
[11:23] <infinity> The gap is closing faster than I thought it would.
[11:24] <infinity> I'm actually getting pretty excited to see functional aardvarch64 silicon.
[11:24] <persia> You underestimate the volume of underclocked ia32 chips with limited featuresets used in the embedded world.
[11:24] <infinity> Define "limited"... We don't support anything << 686 anymore.
[11:25] <persia> It's doesn't require that much power.  An 800MHz i.MX51 handily outperformed 600MHz A100.
[11:25] <infinity> But yeah, even in the 686 world, there's a ton of variety out there, I know.
[11:25] <persia> Much of "lpia" claimed i686, and could handle enough of it that we've only lost a few processors (including the A100: one needs at least an Atom to run Ubuntu)
[11:26] <infinity> Really?  What instruction is missing?
[11:26] <persia> IIRC CMOV
[11:27] <infinity> Oh, we may have gone cmov by default, I forgot about that.
[11:27] <persia> Right, we did with karmic, and lots of folk with that big tablet that had the split keyboard complained it wouldn't boot.
[11:27] <infinity> That's not "686", mind you, that's a conscious decision to be 686+cmov and screw a few CPUs.
[11:27] <persia> Indeed, which is why I say your claim we need 686 isn'5 sufficient, but we're well off topic.
[11:28] <persia> In summary, don't claim ARM is slow because it's ARM: that's not the case (except in certain very special circumstances).
[11:28] <infinity> Oh, I was doing no such thing.
[11:28] <persia> Claim that a *given specific* chip is slow because it has a low clock rate, or because it has some design feature that requires lots of overhead.
[11:29] <infinity> ARM is slow at the top end because of its historical target market.  That's the gap I was talking about closing faster than I thought it would.
[11:29] <persia> Except slow. :P!" :p
[11:29] <infinity> persia: A beaglebone is slower than most people's desktops.  Just sayin'.
[11:29] <persia> That's not really fair, but yeah :)
[11:29] <persia> (even I don't have any Intel kit which works and is that slow)
[11:30] <tempin> thanks all for the quick info/help! byebye
[11:30] <infinity> I think we bored him off IRC.
[11:30] <infinity> Do we win a prize?
[11:31] <persia> Dunce hats: it's our turn to sit in the corner and feel guilty.
[11:32] <infinity> I might just have a dunce nap instead.
[11:33] <persia> :)
[11:35] <lilstevie> lol
[13:37] <hrw> is not cmov part of pentiumpro core (first i686)?
[13:41] <lilstevie> hrw: I think he was saying it is missing on some lpia cpus
[13:45] <hrw> x86 is a mess
[13:45] <lilstevie> :p
[13:45] <lilstevie> although arm is too
[13:46] <hrw> i486 was last sensible name. i586 had too many options already
[13:46] <hrw> lilstevie: not so much.
[13:46] <lilstevie> hrw: heh
[13:46] <hrw> but also messy
[13:47] <hrw> armv4 is one. armv4t had few options (ep93xx vfp for example)
[13:47] <hrw> armv5t could have iwmmxt if was intel/marvell
[13:47] <hrw> armv6 had vfp optional
[13:47] <persia> ISA designers seem to take 4 generations to discover that there are multiple audiences for their products...
[13:47] <hrw> yes
[13:48] <persia> Versions up to 4 are usually OK, and after tend to be all over the map.
[13:48] <persia> IIRC, the split between POWER and PPC was with POWER5 as well.
[13:48] <lilstevie> tbh arm problems aren't really related to the ISA though, more the inconsistencies between vendors
[13:48] <lilstevie> not that embedded x86 is any better
[13:49] <persia> lilstevie: Such inconsistency is partially driven by the presence of optional features in the ISA.  With a consistent ISA, software doesn't care as much about implementation differences.
[13:49] <lilstevie> persia: except with the boot flow, that is just each vendor doing it their own way
[13:50] <persia> Yeah, ARM is special that way.  Most architectures agree on a common pre-boot interface and implement solutions to reach a common starting point.
[13:50]  * persia blames a big gap in available general purpose consumer devices in the ARM world
[13:51] <lilstevie> yeah
[13:51] <persia> (the same thing is starting to be more common for ppc too, because there's a lack of general devices, so everyone "optimises" differently playing embedded games)
[13:51] <hrw> persia: even on x86 you have several booting methods. but much less popular then on arm
[13:52] <persia> hrw: Right, but there are (four) standards that are mostly used outside of the embedded market.  For true embedded devices, it's *much better* to specialise.
[13:53]  * persia remains triumphantly glad that nobody every made any serious effort to make Ubuntu embedded-suitable
[13:53] <lilstevie> lol
[13:54] <persia> No, really.  There was talk about it with the "UME" effort, which was quelled enough that "Ubuntu Mobile" was a normal OS, if tuned a bit for lower power consumption and touch.
[13:54] <persia> And every once in a while someone brings it up again, like the folk that wanted to rebuild as much as possible against dietlibc
[13:55] <persia> But most folk really want to be able to program in a general purpose environment (and only a few actually understand how to work without automated memory management, or even without automatic garbage collection), so it doesn't happen.
[14:07] <hrw> dietlibc...
[14:07] <hrw> it's for those which have cpus with 4K of ram?
[14:47] <mhall119> mfisch: ping
[14:48] <mhall119> is the Raring Nexus 7 image using the Ubuntu kernel now, or still a modified version of the Android kernel?
[14:49] <lilstevie> mhall119: it will be a modified version of the android kernel else you would not be able to get acceleration
[14:54] <mhall119> thanks lilstevie
[14:57] <mfisch> mhall119: yeah still android and I believe it still also has some binary drivers
[15:30] <kulve> what makes it "android" kernel? It is the same yes, but configured differently. It's not missing anything by being an "android kernel". A bit older than what it could be otherwise though
[15:31] <kulve> also it will always have binary libraries for hw acceleration
[15:43] <vanhoof> ogra_: we're screwed! time to go shopping :|
[17:33] <marvin24_> janimo: I pushed a linux-ac100-3.8 to my gitorious tree
[17:33] <marvin24_> what's the best way to provide patches?
[18:11] <astra05> hey ubuntu arm
[18:11] <astra05> i was wondering if anyone know about support for the Avatar AVRA-138A1
[18:14] <achiang> marvin24_: janimo is on holidays until 2013... email might be better than irc
[18:15] <marvin24_> achiang: ok, thanks
[18:15]  * marvin24_ should have guessed that ...
[18:19] <astra05> or anyone have a resource on determing bootability?


[00:00] <tsimonq2> wow
[00:01] <frogshair> UF Profile Frogs Hair
[00:02] <tsimonq2> frogshair: Do you contribute to Ubuntu or just use it?
[00:03] <frogshair> I'm a Ubuntu forums staff member
[00:04] <tsimonq2> frogshair: I do QA and IRC help for Lubuntu...
[00:04] <frogshair> Cool
[00:06] <frogshair> I'm testing Ubuntu 15.10 as I write.
[00:06] <tsimonq2> frogshair: Me too!
[00:07] <frogshair> Running Gnome Shell 3.16 as second desktop.
[00:08] <tsimonq2> IMO GNOME 3 is bad, GNOME 2 is...not bad
[00:11] <frogshair> Gnome 2 was default back in 2010 when I started so Ive used on a few releases . 1010 was my favorite Gnome 2 release.
[00:14] <frogshair> I have basic LXDE on my Raspberry PI and have used E19 , XFCE  and Razor QT to mention a few.
[00:15] <tsimonq2> oh ok
[00:15] <tsimonq2> I actually kinda like KDE plasma
[00:15] <tsimonq2> as well
[00:15] <frogshair> I haven't tried it for  while.
[00:17] <tsimonq2> does your hardware have virtualization support?
[00:17] <frogshair> Yes
[00:18] <tsimonq2> then VM ftw
[00:22]  * frogshair has to log-off . Nice talking to you !
[00:22] <tsimonq2> bye!
[20:29] <tsimonq2> h00k: ping pong ping...
[21:00] <tsimonq2> adueppen: Hey!
[21:01] <adueppen> tsimonq2: Hi


[06:35] <Kilos> morning geeky peeps
[07:25] <nlsthzn> morning all
[07:42] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[07:42] <nlsthzn> anybody remember the car advert where the lady sais the car is nice and the guy starts raving over the word "nice" ... think it was nissan micra or something ... could be wrong?
[07:42] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:birdie-team/daily
[07:42] <Kilos> thats for the twit peeps
[07:42] <Kilos> nope sorry
[07:49] <Kilos> hi refusenik
[07:49] <Kilos> hehe
[07:56] <Kilos> wbb
[08:10] <refusenik> hi
[08:10] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:10] <refusenik> thanks
[08:11] <Kilos> if you need any linux or ubuntu help feel free to ask
[08:11] <Kilos> this is our official help channel
[08:12] <Kilos> you can also hang here and help others
[08:17] <Kilos> inetpro, we birdie werk op kde ook
[08:22] <refusenik> cool
[08:30] <refusenik> I noticed that there's an IRC meet on Monday
[08:30] <refusenik> there's also a JoziLUG meetup at the same time
[08:31] <Kilos> yip here at 19.30
[08:31] <refusenik> but I'll stick around in this chatroom
[08:31] <Kilos> cool
[08:31] <Kilos> everyone is welcome to our meetings
[08:31] <refusenik> would anyone in ubuntu-za like to give an Ubuntu presentation to a Joburg user group?
[08:32] <Kilos> we have quite a few guys in the jhb area so ask at the meeting if no one answers you today
[08:33] <refusenik> cool
[08:33] <Kilos> or you can ask in our mailing list as well
[08:34] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[08:43] <refusenik> cool
[08:43] <refusenik> I signed up for the mailing list
[08:47] <Kilos> ok just mail and ask if anyone is available to give a presentation
[08:55] <Kilos> also anyone can download ubuntu and burn to dvd or use a flash to boot from and install it alongside an existing windows OS
[08:55] <Kilos> or even try it out from the boot media as well
[08:56] <Kilos> and even from live media one can get here and ask for help
[09:05] <Kilos> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:07] <Kilos> nlsthzn, what are you using today or you at work?
[09:09] <nlsthzn> @home on win 8
[09:09] <Kilos> eeek
[09:10] <Kilos> actually they are improving
[09:10] <Kilos> 7 aint bad
[09:11] <nlsthzn> I installed a start button replacement for win 8 and now it is basically the same as win 7 plus some under the hood improvements
[09:14] <Kilos> oh my have they removed the start button?
[09:14] <Kilos> everything worked from there
[09:14] <nlsthzn> you have not seen all the funky tiles?
[09:15] <nlsthzn> the one that has everyone up in arms :p
[09:15] <Kilos> havent seen 8 at all
[09:18] <nlsthzn> ah ok... well it has changed :p same idea as Unity, same interface on desktop/tablet/phone
[09:18] <Kilos> ah
[09:21] <Kilos> you will need to know all of them hey if going for another job
[09:29] <nlsthzn> haha... depends on the job
[09:32] <Kilos> there cant be many out there where no ms is involved
[09:36] <Kilos> isnt
[09:54] <nlsthzn> as long as you can use office applications then you should be good to go
[10:12] <Kilos> office is for clever peeps
[10:18] <Cantide> Kilos, so sorry :p
[10:19] <Cantide> i sometimes open xchat and forget i've opened it -.-
[10:19] <Cantide> hello :)
[10:19] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[10:19] <Kilos> hehe
[10:19] <Cantide> last night i was on a skype chat for 4 hours
[10:19] <Cantide> so i pretty much forgot about irc
[10:19] <Kilos> never forget irc. ubuntu was built on irc
[10:20] <Cantide> :p
[10:20] <Cantide> meeting tomorrow night?
[10:20] <Kilos> and here is where we gonna see how you doing in korea
[10:20] <Cantide> haha
[10:20] <Cantide> true that  :p
[10:20] <Kilos> yip at 19.30
[10:20] <Cantide> cool :)
[10:20] <Cantide> i should be here
[10:20] <Kilos> good
[10:21] <Kilos> hey you going to jhb soon hey
[10:21] <Kilos> you wanna give an ubuntu presentation to a user group
[10:22] <Cantide> o_o
[10:22] <Cantide> w.. whaaaaa?
[10:22] <Kilos> you can practise your lecturing skills
[10:22] <Cantide> hehe
[10:22] <Cantide> i'd have to prepare well for that >.<
[10:23] <Kilos> well if you are interested speak to refusenik
[10:23] <Cantide> i'll only have 3 days up there
[10:24] <Cantide> so it depends >.<
[10:24] <Cantide> my primary objective is sorting out my documents
[10:24] <Kilos> well it cant take more than an hour methinks
[10:24] <Cantide> :p
[10:24] <Cantide> also, i don't speak Afrikaans :p
[10:24] <Kilos> maybe in the evening when doc places are closed
[10:24] <Cantide> might be a bit out of place in JHB haha
[10:24] <Cantide> ah
[10:25] <Kilos> jhb is english
[10:25] <Kilos> pta is afrikaans
[10:25] <Cantide> :p
[10:25] <Cantide> i'll give it some thought
[10:25] <Kilos> good man
[10:25] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[10:26] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you doing today?
[10:26] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[14:21] <Kilos> hi superfly
[14:39] <inetpro> ahh refusenik is @JoziLUG on twitter?
[14:39] <inetpro> good afternoon Kilos
[14:39] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[14:39] <Kilos> aha
[14:45] <inetpro> Kilos: birdie is not in the repos yet and I see no screenshots so it gets a -1 from me
[14:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:46] <Kilos> maaz birdie ++
[14:47] <inetpro> actually I just found it's home page at http://www.ivonunes.net/birdie/ and after seeing the screenshot it still get's a -1
[14:48] <inetpro> written in Gtk
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: does it have a counter in the task bar?
[14:49] <Kilos> but it works on unity and kde when nothing else does
[14:49] <Kilos> to count what
[14:49] <inetpro> to tell me the number of unread tweets
[14:50] <Kilos> i dunno i havent looked for all the funny things you do
[14:50] <inetpro> ai!
[14:50] <inetpro> in that case 'm not even bothring to try it
[14:52] <Kilos> sigh
[14:53] <Kilos> they are developing it all the time so maybe your input on suggestions might help them
[14:53] <inetpro> nah
[14:53] <inetpro> it's not a kde app
[14:53] <Kilos> dont always expect everything to just work
[14:53] <Kilos> its a linux app
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: there are plenty of them
[14:54] <inetpro> and many are even in the official repos
[14:54] <Kilos> that work with twitter?
[14:55] <Kilos> and show a counter in the task bar?
[14:56] <Kilos> oh and dont even start making excuses, meeting tomorrow night and youve missed to many
[14:56] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[14:56] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz, hmm...
[14:56] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[14:58] <Kilos> i see we have 87 followers
[15:01] <inetpro> Kilos: ok maybe not a lot of twitter clients in the repos, we have moved backwards in life
[15:02] <Kilos> rofl
[15:02] <Kilos> i cant find one that works apart from  birdie
[15:02] <inetpro> I remember seeing a number of choices back when I found choqok
[15:03] <Kilos> i dont remember what choqok looked like so dunn what birdie is missing
[15:03] <Kilos> dunno
[15:03] <inetpro> sadly this is what typically happens with open source projects
[15:04] <inetpro> developers are very active until everything works perfectly, so they move on to the next challenge
[15:05] <Kilos> maybe a few suggestions to the birdie dev guys can help them make a better product
[15:06] <inetpro> Kilos: choqok is not yet completely dead
[15:06] <inetpro> the developers just need some time to get back on track
[15:06] <Kilos> can it tweet?
[15:06] <inetpro> unfortunately not at this stage
[15:07] <Kilos> so whats the alternative? to go online to twitter?
[15:07] <Kilos> or use birdie of course
[15:08] <inetpro> well I get by with the twitter web interface and partly with tweetdeck on me mobile phone
[15:08] <inetpro> and if I want to waste a bit of time I use the tweetdeck web interface
[15:08] <Kilos> tweetdeck an android app?
[15:09] <inetpro> https://web.tweetdeck.com/
[15:09] <Kilos> ai!
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos: the tweetdeck android app is slightly broken as well
[15:09] <inetpro> the search function no longer works
[15:09] <Kilos> sigh
[15:10] <Kilos> what do you search for
[15:10] <Kilos> i see birdie has a search button
[15:10] <inetpro> for serious monitoring of tweets nothing beats tweetdeck, at least not what I have seen
[15:11] <Kilos> its a browser that gotta stay online all the time
[15:11] <Kilos> ai!
[15:12] <inetpro> choqok beats everything else for staying up to date on your casual stream
[15:12] <inetpro> that is when it worked
[15:13] <Kilos> haha
[15:15]  * inetpro wonders whether anyone here has tried smuxi
[15:15] <Kilos> ja whatever that is
[15:16] <inetpro> https://www.smuxi.org/ irssi-inspired, flexible, user-friendly and cross-platform IRC client for sophisticated users, targeting the GNOME deskto
[15:16] <Kilos> i see it here somewhere but didnt do what i thought it could so removed
[15:17] <Kilos> im happy with xchat and konversation
[15:18] <inetpro> the difference is that smuxi seems to also support the new twitter api
[15:18] <Kilos> aha
[15:26] <Kilos> inetpro, do you know anyone up here that would like to do the presentation for refusenik
[15:26] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[15:27] <inetpro> we're not a LUG
[15:28] <Kilos> a ubuntu presentation
[15:28] <Kilos> to pull lug guys to us
[15:28] <inetpro> we don't want to do that
[15:28] <Kilos> like we got Vince-0 and smileyborg
[15:28] <Kilos> oh
[15:29] <inetpro> there's nothing wrong with LUGs
[15:29] <inetpro> and anybody is free to be in a LUG as well as in ubuntu-za
[15:29] <Kilos> Shortly after the release of 0.8.9 Smuxi users reported issues with Twitter.
[15:31] <miles> hmm...
[15:38] <Kilos> you see inetpro ^^
[15:39] <inetpro> Twitter fixes: Twitter made some changes to their API which broke the Twitter support of Smuxi 0.8. This was taken care of and also a few other issues were solved allowing Smuxi 0.8.9 to work smoothly with Twitter again.
[15:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:40] <Kilos> havent found how to get twitter in it yet
[15:41] <inetpro> Kilos: what version did you install?
[15:41] <Kilos> the one in 12.04 repos
[15:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:42] <inetpro> latest is 0.8.11
[15:44] <inetpro> not sure whether it's worth trying it
[15:44] <Kilos> i have <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[15:44] <Kilos> its not too bad but then will need to see if sound worksa
[15:44] <Kilos> works
[15:45] <miles> Maaz: hi
[15:45]  * Maaz waves to miles
[15:46] <inetpro> Kilos: how many peeps are present on average in our meetings?
[15:46] <Kilos> lots dont sign in
[15:46] <Kilos> lurkers
[15:47] <Kilos> maybe 10 active or a few more
[15:47] <inetpro> @JoziLUG asking on twitter
[15:48] <Kilos> tell him to come here
[15:49] <Kilos> i havent got twitter going in smuxi yet and looks like no sound alerts
[15:49] <Kilos> sigh
[15:49] <Kilos> but there are always the 30 or more peeps that are here they just lurk though
[15:56] <Kilos> sigh
[15:59] <Kilos> hi Guest2137
[16:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:01] <Kilos> https://www.smuxi.org/page/Download
[16:01] <Kilos> i cant get new smuxi to download
[16:01] <Kilos> what am i missing
[16:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, can't help with that and I would not try an installation like that
[16:04] <inetpro> only install from repositories if you don't want trouble
[16:04] <Kilos> ok
[16:04] <inetpro> unless you know what you are doing
[16:04] <Kilos> i see now its a ppa you gotta add apt
[16:05] <inetpro> even then, untrusted PPAs can break things
[16:05] <Kilos> hehe i have a remastersys dvd
[16:05] <inetpro> and what does that help?
[16:05] <inetpro> s/what/how/
[16:06] <Kilos> i can reinstall and not do it again
[16:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:22] <inetpro> miles: and now?
[16:23] <miles> got the new one working
[16:23] <miles> now trying to get twitter to allow it
[16:32] <miles> what a schlep
[16:34] <inetpro> Kilos: it is for sophisticated users after all
[16:34] <inetpro> you seem to be getting there
[16:34] <Kilos> lol
[16:35] <Kilos> it dont wanna accept /pin pin from twitter
[16:35] <Kilos> says unknown command
[16:35] <Kilos> grrr
[16:36] <Kilos> says unknown command close twitter and start again
[16:37] <Kilos> i give up for today
[16:38] <Squirm> evening
[16:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:39] <Kilos> i wish they'd fix the pidgin twitter api
[16:39] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:39] <Cantide> hello '-'/
[17:47] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:47]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:47] <Kilos> Maaz, hot
[17:47] <Maaz> Come on Kilos How many peeps do you know that make coffee with cold water twit!
[17:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:49] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[17:49] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[17:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[17:52] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:52] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:52] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[17:52] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[17:52]  * inetpro wonders whether any working cli based twitter clients are left since the latest API changes
[18:08] <nuvolari> inetpro: bitlbee seems ok still
[18:08] <nuvolari> hmm, I can't remember how I connected my bitlbee to twitter
[18:09] <inetpro> nuvolari: interesting
[18:10] <inetpro> I remember bitlbee
[18:17] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[18:24] <inetpro> nuvolari: are you actively using bitlbee?
[18:24] <Kilos> haha i can even get it to start
[18:27] <Kilos> and i hate twitter anyway so why im sukkeling i dunno
[18:27] <Kilos> must be old age
[18:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, has forgotten irc is open there
[18:28] <Kilos> more old age
[18:36] <Kilos> have a good day at work tomorrow all of you
[18:36] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:24] <nuvolari> inetpro: well, it's in my IRC client all the time :P Using it to connect to gtalk accounts as well
[19:31] <nuvolari> ha! :P
[19:31] <nuvolari> inetpro: http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
[21:09] <Squirm> bed time me thinkss


[01:12] <mamalala> hi all! anyone here that night be able to help me with an error in a vanilla qt compile?
[03:44] <Tzinex> I have a question. I have a laptop with 2 gigs of RAM, an unsupported graphics card, a 2 Ghz dual core 32 bit processor. Do you think I can run Kubuntu just fine?
[03:45] <ahoneybun> Tzinex: why do you say it is unsupported?
[03:45] <Tzinex> It is a amd 3100 intergrated graphics card
[03:46] <Tzinex> unrecognizable by ubuntu 12.10
[03:46] <ahoneybun> you mean there is no non-oss driver for it
[03:46] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:47] <Tzinex> I have to use an open source one
[03:47] <Tzinex> no propietary
[03:47] <ahoneybun> thats what I mean propietary = non-oss
[03:48] <ahoneybun> How did it handle Ubuntu 12.10?
[03:49] <Tzinex> It handles Xubuntu just finr
[03:49] <Tzinex> fine*
[03:49] <ahoneybun> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man4/radeon.4.html
[03:49] <ahoneybun> says the driver handle 3D fine
[03:50] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu 12.10 works much faster then Ubuntu 12.10, but its mostly because of the speed of the dash
[03:50] <ahoneybun> on my laptop
[03:50] <ahoneybun> my MacBook anyway
[03:50] <Tzinex> True, but I am currently using Xubuntu
[03:51] <Tzinex> I have an older toshiba sattellite
[03:51] <Tzinex> from the vista days
[03:51] <ahoneybun> Yea I do not like those series, slow at least the one I have and it came with Windows 7
[03:52] <Tzinex> Well, I thank you very much for the help you have given. It was a pleasure.
[03:52] <ahoneybun> I mean if Xubuntu works for you and what you need to do I'm not going to just say jump ship.
[03:52] <ahoneybun> np :) same here
[03:52] <Tzinex> I want to try KDE anyways
[03:53] <ahoneybun> I would say try it in a VirtualBox first
[03:53] <ahoneybun> I'm trying Fedora 18 with GNOME just to try it in one
[03:54] <Tzinex> I can not download it yet since I have just moved and I have no wifi so I am tethering from my rooted phone
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I'm really loving KDE and really Kubuntu
[03:54] <ahoneybun> oh thats cool
[03:54] <Tzinex> That is also cool
[03:55] <ahoneybun> Yea I wanted to try to get GNOME 3.8 on it and check it out, tried to do it from Debian and it did not work right
[03:55] <Tzinex> I tried GNOME 3.8. It finally works!
[03:56] <ahoneybun> Yea I see that! I donated to the 2012 donation for the GNOME project
[03:56] <Tzinex> nice
[03:56] <Tzinex> I love the new classic mode
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I'm on the page for it and everything, spelled my name wrong but thats ok
[03:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:57] <Tzinex> Although I hate how it still has some left over orange-ness from Ubuntu
[03:57] <Tzinex> I can not stand unity
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I have Kubuntu setup like Unity lol
[03:57] <Tzinex> lol
[03:57] <ahoneybun> I just can't use it yet as it is not fast and feature full yet
[03:58] <Tzinex> Interesting
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I have Kubuntu 12.10 on my desktop and laptop
[03:58] <Tzinex> Well, I am going to read a book now. Good night!
[03:58] <ahoneybun> good talk, see yea around!
[05:37] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:39] <CosmicB> using the nvidia proprietary driver jockey tells me "The driver is activated but not currently in use"
[06:39] <CosmicB> nouveau is not loaded, the nvidia module is loaded and everythin seem ok, apart from jockey saying the driver isn't in use (?)
[06:40] <CosmicB> this is the situation on my laptop as well as on my workstation at work, I don't get it
[06:41] <lordievader> The jockey is often wrong in detecting which driver is being used, or so I've heard.
[06:41] <CosmicB> it seem to happen when i switch between various nvidia versions, 304, 310, mabye running nouveau and then back to proprietary again . wanybody seen this (?)
[06:42] <CosmicB> lordievader : yeah, look like it, I remember this has happened to me before in older releases. and this time the 'problem' was in 12.10, and it's still here after dist-upgrade to 13.04
[06:43] <CosmicB> I've apt-get remove'd all nvidia stuff, and even dpkg --purge'd any nvidia leftovers, before activating a driver again
[06:43] <CosmicB> could it be jockey misses since I have no xorg.conf (?)
[06:44] <CosmicB> guess it's really not a probelm since the nvidia driver seem to work ok, I'm just getting hung up in jockey failing to detect the driver :p
[06:45] <lordievader> CosmicB: I'm not sure, though I usually hear these stories in combination with nVidia.
[06:46] <CosmicB> lordievader ok
[06:48] <CosmicB> I like 13.04 though :) kde 4.10.2 in 13.04 is better built than my previous 12.10 with kde sc 4.10.2 (4.10.2 introdused a bug in kontact that affected me, 13.04 seem to have patched the fix into kontact 'cause I can't see the bug here)
[06:53] <lordievader> CosmicB: Raring is indeed very nice ;)
[06:54] <CosmicB> :)
[06:56] <MySystem> hello is it possible with diff to compare 2 files/folders with different codepages?
[06:57] <MySystem> haven't found an option in the man diff
[06:58] <MySystem> or do i need another tool for it
[07:11] <vaibhav_> Can some one tell me how to add Channel in Konversation I am trying to add #Django channel but nothin seem to happening ..
[07:12] <vaibhav_> ..
[07:15] <lordievader> vaibhav_: I don't use Konversation myself, so I do not know, but this might help you: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/extragear-network/konversation/serverlist.html
[07:52] <Mamarok> lordievader: if he wants to add a channel, just /join #hannelname is enough, works the same way in all IRC clients
[07:53] <lordievader> Mamarok: Wasn't sure if he just wanted to join a channel or add it to a list so it would auto-connect.
[07:54] <Mamarok> apparently only join another channel, as #kubuntu is default when he launches Konvi in Kubuntu
[07:54] <Mamarok> so pointing him to an IRC howto would probably be better next time :)
[07:57] <lordievader> Mamarok: Will do.
[09:37] <c2tarun> hi friends, anyone here installed KDE 4.10 on Kubuntu 12.04?
[11:02] <doctorpepper> hi guys !!
[11:06] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me, i am installing new fonts (monospaced)  using systemsettings ==> font management but they don't show up in the list monospaced fonts
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:59] <kourosh> hi
[12:59] <kourosh> is any body here
[12:59] <kourosh> i want some help about tor
[12:59] <kourosh> ???
[13:00] <kourosh> alooooooooooo
[13:01] <kourosh> ??
[13:07] <Artakha> talk about patience
[13:08] <ti_tux> Is it normal that choqok french translation is missing in 13.04 ?
[13:12] <smartboyhw_> !patience | kourosh
[13:12] <smartboyhw_> ti_tux: apachelogger should be able to answer you:)
[13:20] <ti_tux> ok so apachelogger if you read me :)
[13:21] <apachelogger> was it missing in 12.10?
[13:22] <ti_tux> Yes It was
[13:22] <ti_tux> the french translation is freshed (2 weeks)
[13:22] <ti_tux> I think
[13:22] <apachelogger> I highly doubt that
[13:22] <apachelogger> upstream tarball 1.3 contains no translations
[13:23] <apachelogger> ti_tux: I guess filing a bug at bugs.kde.org might help
[13:25] <ti_tux> because on svn a modification appeared 2 weeks ago and on the french translators page it is marked as 100% translated
[13:26] <ti_tux> I will talk about that on the french mailing list
[13:27] <ti_tux> and I'll post a bug if no answer is found
[13:27] <ti_tux> thx
[13:55] <apachelogger> ti_tux: it may be translated in svn, but it has not been released by the choqok developers
[14:02] <ti_tux> apachelogger: I'll ask them too ;)
[15:33] <G__81> hi i installed Kubuntu 12.10 32 bit and when i click on Mozilla firefox installer i get the following errors
[15:33] <G__81> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_20.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package kubuntu-firefox-installer 12.04ubuntu1 No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already                                                               dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[15:34] <G__81> can some one help me on how to resolve this problem?
[15:36] <genii-around> G__81: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_20.0+build1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb
[15:37] <G__81> genii-around: i still get some errors
[15:37] <genii-around> G__81: That's fine. After the dpkg command finishes, try: sudo apt-get -f install
[15:37] <G__81> http://pastebin.com/8Z23MxQX
[15:38] <G__81> genii-around: cool thanks a lot it worked :)
[15:38] <genii-around> G__81: You're welcome
[15:44] <G__81> genii-around: if i have to install firefox, what should i do ?
[15:44] <G__81> click on that mozilla firefox installer again?
[15:45] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:45] <genii-around> G__81: I generally do it from commandline with: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[15:46] <G__81> genii-around: so when i do that now, will i get the same problem again ?
[15:46] <genii-around> G__81: If you do, let me know
[15:48] <G__81> genii-around: ok thanks a lot sure will let you know
[15:49]  * genii-around makes another pot of coffee and settles in
[16:56] <c2tarun> when I put my laptop to standy, I hear standby music repeatedly 3-4 times, is this the case with everyone?
[17:01] <c2tarun> this channel is lot low on traffic then I remember it from time of Kubuntu 10.10. Is this because Canonical abandoned Kubuntu?
[17:02] <wxl> c2tarun: while i can't imagine that's the case (there's tons of community-supported projects that have vibrant forums, channels, etc), i can't imagine it's not a factor
[17:02] <wxl> meanwhile we're making kubuntu our standard desktop at work :)
[17:02] <BluesKaj> c2tarun, no , our nick count has increased by 100 or so since then
[17:03] <c2tarun> wxl: well one thing for sure, Kubuntu is lot lighter then I remember and in comparison to Unity its like my lappy wants to thank me.
[17:04] <BluesKaj> it's afact that 12.10 seems very stable atm , so there are fewer probs
[17:04] <wxl> c2tarun: agreed. and kde is a lot lighter than when i first used it many moons ago. i mainly use lubuntu at home but find myself enjoying a LOT about kubuntu.
[17:39] <wxl> could you guys offer any insight as to why this html5 player isn't working? http://archive.org/details/DLR035 i do have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed, although i'm not sure that helps.
[17:41] <andrei_> hi
[17:42] <jacklk> At the Kubuntu login screen, shutdown, restart, etc do not work. I think this may be because it needs root privalleges to do this... Can someone help?
[18:27] <zAo^> how can I install a minimalistic version of KDE under Ubuntu?
[18:27] <zAo^> kde-core is gone :(
[18:34] <wxl> !info kde-plasma-desktop | zAo^
[18:44] <Ab3L> hi
[18:58] <zAo^> thanks wxl
[18:59] <deadkowe> Iam kinda new to kubuntu and am haveing a issue with a graphics card. it is a pny geforce 5200 agp. when its installed kubuntu will not display. "it works and is good" I have to remove the card and reboot in order to view kde. but with it the card uninstalled i cannot find it in the "aditional drivers"
[19:01] <deadkowe> Am I in the wrong place for chat help?
[19:03] <Walex> deadkowe: it is a very old card, you need to use a "legacy" driver
[19:07] <Linkmaster> How can I connect my 12.10 desktop to my windows 7 laptop so that I can a) transfer files from the laptop to the desktop(I don't care about the reverse) and b) connect to the internet on the desktop(whether the laptop works while connected doesn't matter)
[19:08] <deadkowe> Im not sure how to. With my new pc it displayed kde right off the bat. then I went to kde start, aplications, system, additional drivers. and installed/activated the 3rd party drivers for my graphics card and now I can use open gl. my other computer will not display kde desktop at all when the pny 5200 is installed. when i remove the graphics card and turn it back on useing the onboard graphics it works. but then there is nothing displayed for the pny
[19:08] <deadkowe> 5200 in additional drivers . the 5200 was installed when i installed kubuntu 12.10
[19:10] <Linkmaster> er...my reason for asking is because my school network doesn't allow my personal computer connected, however, they gave permission for us seniors to use "connectify". however, connectify isn't working, for whatever stupid reason. So, since I have a crossover cable handy, I figured to try and connect it that way, but the internet hasn't shown me anything that works so far
[19:13] <deadkowe> Would I need to find the driver in the multi or universe and "sudo apt-get install" the driver?
[19:21] <Walex> deadkowe: it is a very old card, you need to use a "legacy" driver
[19:21] <Walex> Linkmaster: you have to use MS-Windows 'connection sharing'
[19:31] <deadkowe> i understand its old and I need to use a legacy driver.... but How?
[19:32] <deadkowe> and Thank You for helping!
[19:41] <ti_tux> apachelogger: in the source tarball of choqok 1.3, the french translation is provided... so it's a kubuntu issue
[19:44] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: your here?
[19:44] <deadkowe> WOW
[20:26] <keithzg> Hmphh. I keep having to restart my computer to make OpenCL work again on my AMD GPU, even just running "clinfo" will hang. Anyone know any way to restart whatever's hung with opencl or the GPU without rebooting the entire computer?
[20:31] <keithzg> Ah, I see, it's actually just that I switched to a VT. D'oh. Didn't realize the AMD drivers had OpenCL so intimately tied to X11, so even if I'm connecting via SSH it meanwhile needs to be outputting to an X11 session. That's ugly.
[20:40] <dragan> for two days (after some updates probably) my kubuntu 13.04 uses 100% of 1 core constantly(cpu i7 dell 5520)
[20:41] <dragan> how to determin what is uin it and stop it
[20:43] <dragan> top program says that is pulse audio i never had problems whit that before any idea?
[20:47] <genii-around> dragan: #ubuntu+1 for Raring
[20:50] <dragan> found topic on forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2136534&page=2 thay said it was fixed by updates earlier today i will check after restart
[21:03] <jjf> hi everybody!
[21:03] <jjf> short question: is there a way to force copy/paste do do plain text on kubuntu?
[21:03] <jjf> i often copy from web pages into gmail, and i don't want to keep the formatting
[21:04] <jjf> i don't know if this is a kde or a chrome-problem
[21:05] <seattlegaucho> jjf: that's a gmail issue ... press 'shift' with the key combination to copy and it will leave formating out
[21:05] <seattlegaucho> same works for google docs
[21:06] <seattlegaucho> for linux (any browser) press shift+ctrl+v
[21:06] <jjf> it works, cool!
[21:06] <jjf> thanks, seattlegaucho
[22:03] <Adityab> hello!
[22:04] <Adityab> I just did a simple apt-get upgrade and now the 'video' group is gone
[22:04] <Adityab> therefore I cannot log in to kde normally
[22:05] <Adityab> I'm currently using some convoluted way of tty -> login -> sudo xinit -> plasma-desktop to get a working desktop
[22:05] <Adityab> also kwin says
[22:05] <Adityab> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i965_dri.so
[22:05] <Adityab> libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied
[22:05] <Adityab> libGL error: failed to load driver: i965
[22:07] <Adityab> by 'gone', I don't mean just my user account being removed from that group
[22:07] <Adityab> the group itself has vanished. systemwide
[23:17] <Enklave> anyone here who can help me please
[23:17] <Enklave> ??
[23:19] <Enklave> hello, need help please to increase my RAM memory on my laptop
[23:19] <Enklave> have installed 8 GB
[23:19] <Enklave> but linux just recognise 2,97
[23:20] <Enklave> how could that be?
[23:20] <Enklave> nobody here?
[23:20] <Enklave> aren t here over 100 people ??
[23:21] <Enklave> and nobody write anything?
[23:22] <valorie> by "linux just recognize 2.97, what do you mean?
[23:22] <valorie> Enklave: ^^
[23:23] <Enklave> yes
[23:23] <Enklave> thx for answer
[23:23] <valorie> ?
[23:23] <valorie> that's a question, not an answer
[23:23] <valorie> because it depends
[23:23] <Enklave> is there something i must do to use full physical memory
[23:23] <valorie> let's see if the bot knows anything useful
[23:23] <valorie> !ram
[23:24] <Enklave> the bot?
[23:24] <valorie> ubottu
[23:24] <valorie> the bot knows all kinds of useful links, like the above
[23:24] <valorie> anyone can use the bot
[23:25] <Enklave> cool
[23:26] <Enklave> the first link was not helpful
[23:26] <Enklave> i try the next
[23:27] <valorie> also, based on past experience: be very sure it's securely seated
[23:27] <valorie> and secured
[23:27] <Enklave> the 2nd wasnt also very useful
[23:28] <valorie> :(
[23:28] <Enklave> one thing in advance
[23:28] <Enklave> i use a sony vaio laptop AW11xu
[23:28] <valorie> still, you didn't give any error message to us, or what you used to get your information
[23:28] <Enklave> which can only take 4GB (32 Bit)
[23:28] <valorie> huh
[23:28] <Enklave> only with 64 Bit i can have 8 GB
[23:29] <Enklave> can i send you a screenshot?
[23:29] <valorie> so are you 100% confident that your hardware is acceptable?
[23:29] <valorie> you can post a screenshot to the channel
[23:29] <valorie> I'm no expert
[23:29] <valorie> just trying to get some information
[23:30] <valorie> any experts here feel free to chime in
[23:30] <Enklave> and how can i post that?
[23:30] <Enklave> file:///home/pion/Desktop/screenshot2.png
[23:31] <Enklave> does it work?
[23:31] <Enklave> guess not
[23:31] <smartboyhw_> no
[23:31] <valorie> !screenshot
[23:31] <smartboyhw_> !imgur
[23:31] <smartboyhw_> ...
[23:32] <valorie> if you want to add imgur to the bot message, you have to ask an ubuntu irc person
[23:32] <valorie> they are friendly
[23:32]  * smartboyhw_ has forgotten the command
[23:32] <valorie> :-)
[23:32] <valorie> imagebin works
[23:32] <Enklave> http://imagebin.org/254549
[23:32] <Enklave> here it is
[23:33] <valorie> Enklave: do you have a 64-bit system set up?
[23:33] <Enklave> sorry 2.92 are only used
[23:33] <Enklave> or recognised
[23:33] <Enklave> i have 32 bit
[23:33] <Enklave> set up?
[23:34] <valorie> did you install the 32-bit kubuntu, or the 64-bit one?
[23:34] <Enklave> so i should have at least 4GB which i could use
[23:34] <Enklave> 32-bit
[23:34] <valorie> well, your image shows quite a large swap
[23:35] <valorie> Enklave: you just told me above that to use the whole 8 GB, you have to have 64-bit
[23:35] <valorie> therefore you will have to re-install a 64-bit image
[23:35] <Enklave> you are right, but the swap do to 95% nothing on my system
[23:36] <Enklave> ok, sorry valorie, 8 GB would be fine (but thats just physical memory, which i have installed)
[23:37] <smartboyhw_> !pae
[23:37] <Enklave> i have read that 32-bit just accept 4 GB (unfortunatelly), but i can only use 2.97, why?
[23:37] <smartboyhw_> Enklave: ^
[23:38] <valorie> ah, I forgot that
[23:38] <valorie> smartboyhw_, as his name indicates, is smarter than me
[23:38] <valorie> :-)
[23:38] <smartboyhw_> valorie: Nah nah
[23:39] <valorie> personally, I got around a similar sitch by using 64-bit
[23:39] <valorie> I think it's ready for prime time
[23:40] <Enklave> ok, useful link :-)
[23:41] <Enklave> what is the code adress to send codes, please?
[23:41] <valorie> ?
[23:41] <valorie> do you mean pastebin?
[23:41] <valorie> !paste
[23:41] <Enklave> thx
[23:43] <Enklave> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720248/
[23:43] <Enklave> does this mean that i can use 64-bit on my 32-bit system?
[23:43] <valorie> ok, dinner
[23:44] <valorie> perhaps smartboyhw_ can help you further
[23:44] <Enklave> isnt 64-bit a question of the hardware?
[23:44] <valorie> it's a question of the kernel
[23:44] <Enklave> i am sorry for that questions, i am in learing phase
[23:44] <valorie> that's how we learn
[23:45] <valorie> nice to meet you, I'm also known as "linux grandma" (blog)
[23:45] <valorie> but time for dinner for me
[23:47] <Enklave> thank you also smartboyhw for your tipp (pae)
[23:47] <Enklave> kk
[23:48] <Enklave> can pae be dangerous for my system; or does the experience says?
[23:55] <Enklave> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720264/
[23:56] <Enklave> error
[23:56] <Enklave> please help: had the error been fixed?
[23:56] <Enklave> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5720265/
[23:58] <Enklave> i hope so
[23:58] <Enklave> i come in 5 min
[23:58] <Enklave> have to restart


[08:11] <doko> what is needed to make ubuntu-dev-tools (reverse-depends) work with hirsute?
[08:16] <RikMills> doko: I think tumbleweed has to do some updates on ubuntuwire at least?
[08:17] <alkisg> Hi, groovy's rsync misbehaves (https://github.com/WayneD/rsync/issues/109), but if I build the groovy package locally in focal with dkpg-buildpackage, rsync then works fine!
[08:17] <alkisg> Any clues on how to troubleshoot rsync runtime issues when they're caused by the build environment?
[08:23] <alkisg> I just tested, focal's rsync, when built on groovy, misbehaves as well. Something in the build environment upgrade, from focal to groovy, breaks rsync.
[08:24] <alkisg> I've no idea where to file such a bug report, "build environment breaks rsync" is too generic, and rsync upstream closed the issue that I filed there with "not an rsync issue"
[08:50] <doko> kanashiro: could you have a look at ruby in hirsute? e.g. installation of b-d's for libprelude are broken (ruby-rubygems)
[08:59] <doko> mwhudson: looks like the autosyncs made golang 1.15 the default. do you want to go with this, or delay that until 1.16?
[11:04] <rbasak> alkisg: if rsync is broken on Groovy, I'd file a bug against rsync in Ubuntu with steps to reproduce
[11:04] <rbasak> It can always be moved later
[11:05] <rbasak> Sounds like something to do with a glibc difference to me
[11:41] <doko> cpaelzer: looks like we started a postgres transition with the syncs
[11:45] <alkisg> Thank you rbasak, doing so
[12:02] <cpaelzer> I have no capacity to do PG-13 now and from my last check (not too long ago) way too many deps aren't ready yet
[12:03] <cpaelzer> doko: did you mean PG-13 or just 12.4-3 ?
[12:04] <cpaelzer> if it is PG-13 we ahve to remove things from hirsute as of now and revisit ~january
[12:04] <doko> 13
[12:04] <cpaelzer> last time the depending projects needed ~1year to pick up PG-12 as needed
[12:04] <doko> the component mismatches
[12:04] <doko> see the ...
[12:04] <cpaelzer> Debian allows multiple postgres versions which is why they can slow-roll
[12:04] <cpaelzer> we don't and would like to have one, but one working
[12:04] <cpaelzer> therefore PG-12.x it is (for now)
[12:05] <doko> then please fix postgresql-common
[12:05] <cpaelzer> I'm happy if PG-13 turns out to be way less transition pain than what PG-12 was
[12:08] <cpaelzer> I'll need to talk to Myon
[12:08] <cpaelzer> gladly I'm totally overloaded right now :-/
[12:08] <cpaelzer> thanks for the ping thou @doko
[12:13] <cpaelzer> I'll either tune back 13->12 in postgresql-common OR try to find time to get things moving
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, thanks for sane-backends fix, can you please also forward the patch to the Debian bug? I think Debian maintainer is doing a different fix... not sure which one is better (or if they are both needed)
[13:42] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, the patch is more a workaround, I didn't want to start creating the lock from code and then have to do with group membership etc
[13:42] <seb128> it can probably be overwritten with a fix from upstream or Debian when they have one
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> seb128, https://jff.email/cgit/sane-backends.git/commit/?id=736573a8db4bd098da28a4831ce4c601f880aacd
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the fix mentioned on the Debian bug
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> looks "sane" enough to me (sorry for the pun)
[13:45] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg, that's not going to work, /var/lock is not a persistent dir
[13:45] <seb128> (that was mentioned on the Debian bug)
[13:45] <seb128> the file is going to not be there anymore after a restart
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> ack thanks
[14:04] <mitya57> I'm going to start Qt 5.14 → 5.15 transition in a few hours. If something is entangled with it and I should wait, please let me know.
[14:22] <doko> mitya57: we currently have a broken ruby, e.g. no gems can be built
[14:25] <mitya57> doko: I hope that won't be a problem for Qt
[14:39] <LocutusOfBorg> mitya57, what about doing it in bileto?
[14:39] <LocutusOfBorg> the queue is really huge, not sure if entangling will help in making it faster, specially for autopkgtests
[14:40] <LocutusOfBorg> I would like also to do haskell and ocaml and nodejs, but I prefer to wait some more days
[14:40] <LocutusOfBorg> or is it already ready to land?
[14:41] <LocutusOfBorg> in that case, meh :D
[15:00] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg: I have started the work in Bileto (4316), but I want to publish it today because otherwise Qt will be autosynced from Debian (and it will be worse because it needs bootstrapping).
[15:01] <LocutusOfBorg> oh...
[15:01] <LocutusOfBorg> so better publish :)
[16:13] <doko> Missing build dependencies: fonts-urw-base35 (< 20170801.1.0~)
[16:15] <doko> tkamppeter: ^^^ ghostscript needs an update, everything b-d on ghostscript can't be built
[16:16] <tkamppeter> doko, OK, I think Debian has done this already, so I will take over what Debian did, or better merge their GS.
[16:17] <doko> ta
[17:58] <alkisg> I managed to pinpoint the issue better: AC_CHECK_FUNC(lchmod) says "checking for lchmod... yes" in Ubuntu 20.10, while it said "no" in 20.04.
[17:58] <alkisg> But from what I understand, lchmod isn't supported in Linux (and it's failing when /proc isn't mounted), so that would be a bug in coreutils?
[18:07] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsync/+bug/1902109
[18:56] <mitya57> doko: speaking about ruby, maybe it's better to remove ruby-defaults 1:2.7+2 from groovy-proposed until rubygems is built?
[18:57] <mitya57> That version doesn't seem to have major changes apart from the change that broke it. So 1:2.7+1 should work fine.
[18:59] <doko> kanashiro: ^^^
[19:06] <mitya57> Btw it's also broken in Debian, see Debian #972490
[19:35] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, I can do ghostscript if you want
[19:42] <LocutusOfBorg> syncing/merging
[19:55] <LocutusOfBorg> tkamppeter, looks like the sync built just fine on ppc64el
[19:55] <LocutusOfBorg> so no more delta
[19:56] <LocutusOfBorg> what is your opinion?
[20:14] <tumbleweed> doko: I was waiting for a name for Hirsuite, to do distro-info updates. But it seems we've got it now
[21:10] <ivzhh> [y5kvpn7km] (unsupported message type)


[18:51] <visualdeception> has anyone heard if we are having a meeting today??
[19:05] <visualdeception> i'll take that as a no
[20:18] <Heartsbane> I guess I was 1 hour late myself
[20:19] <Heartsbane> but I had a excuse :)


[20:05] <johanbr> In case anyone likes to tinker with small linux systems, amazon.ca has the iomega iconnect on sale for $29, including shipping
[20:06] <johanbr> seems like a nice little device to install debian on, and use for pbx/file server/home monitoring/...
[20:09] <genii-around> Heh, didn't know iomega made systems. I remember them for Jaz and Zip drives
[20:10] <johanbr> oh, right:)
[20:13] <genii-around> Seems to have the same cpu as a Sheevaplug ( Marvell 6281 )
[20:13] <johanbr> yep, it's kirkwood-based


  I'm testing something with NTP and time servers on my ubuntu thin client install.
[02:31] <roasted_> The key noted city for the Eastern time zone is New York. Does anybody know what the key cities are in other zones?
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> i'm currently CST, ours is Chicago
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> Africa
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> America
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> Antarctica
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> Arctic
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> Asia
[02:32] <bts3685|vps> Atlantic
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Australia
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Brazil
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> CET
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> CST6CDT
[02:33] <ChinnoDog> Is it that simple? Sometimes there are time zone.. anomalies
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Canada
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Chile
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Cuba
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> EET
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> EST
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> EST5EDT
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Egypt
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Eire
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Etc
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Europe
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Factory
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GB
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GB-Eire
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GMT
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GMT+0
[02:33] <ChinnoDog> @ignore bts3685|vps
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GMT-0
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> GMT0
[02:33] <pleia2> usuck
[02:33] <roasted_> ha, I was just looking for the 4 cities in the US :P
[02:33] <waltman> isn't there a nopaste here?
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Greenwich
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> HST
[02:33] <bts3685|vps> Hongkong
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Iceland
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Indian
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Iran
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Israel
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Jamaica
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Japan
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Kwajalein
[02:34]  * waltman *yawns*
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> Libya
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> MET
[02:34] <bts3685|vps> MST
[02:34] <waltman> yay
[02:34] <ChinnoDog> I wonder if he did that by accident
[02:34] <roasted_> I appreciated him trying to be helpful, but DANG. I didn't need the whole globe...
[02:35] <roasted_> Yeah I wonder that too.
[02:35] <pleia2> hehe
[02:35] <JonathanD> I imagine he pasted and it queued up before he could stop it.
[02:35] <ChinnoDog> But, why didn't he just part the channel then?
[02:35] <JonathanD> because his queue was full
[02:35] <JonathanD> if he /parted, it would get sent after all the other stuff.
[02:35] <roasted_> poor guy
[02:35] <ChinnoDog> In irssi? It was obviously being throttled by the client
[02:35] <roasted_> hope he isnt perma banned :P
[02:36] <pleia2> nah, it's just a kick, I told him to come back :)
[02:36] <roasted_> ahh. lol.
[02:36] <roasted_> hey bro!
[02:36] <bts3685|vps> daggum it.
[02:36] <ChinnoDog> lol
[02:36] <JonathanD> bts3685|vps: nicely executed.
[02:36] <waltman> I was waiting for Timbuktu!
[02:36] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: bts3685|vps is a spambot
[02:36] <bts3685|vps> but.. yeah. do an ls /usr/share/zoneinfo and you'll see them.
[02:36] <PennBot> ... but bts3685|vps is still here ...
[02:36] <bts3685|vps> \o/
[02:36] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: bts3685|vps is also a spambot
[02:36] <teddy-dbear> one more time! ;-)
[02:36] <PennBot> I hear ya!
[03:32] <InHisName> @seen paulproteus  after he waved at me today, will it change the times
[03:32] <PennBot> InHisName: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
[03:33] <InHisName> @seen paulproteus
[03:33] <PennBot> InHisName: paulproteus was last seen in #ubuntu-us-pa 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: * paulproteus waves at InHisName
[03:33] <InHisName> I guess waving does reset the counter.
[03:34]  * ChinnoDog frowns at banshee
[03:34] <ChinnoDog> doesn't recognize my phone anymore?
[03:35] <ssweeny> ChinnoDog, are you using the unstable ppa?
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> I think so
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> Did they break it?
[03:35] <ssweeny> break it they did
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> doh
[03:35] <ssweeny> i have the same problem
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> mrs_ssweeny mentioned a Beck CD I didn't have the other day so I downloaded it and now i can't sync it
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> guess I am going back to stable...
[03:36] <ssweeny> which beck cd?
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> Guerro
[03:36] <ssweeny> ah
[03:36] <ChinnoDog> I mean
[03:37] <ssweeny> good one
[03:37] <ChinnoDog> Guero
[03:37] <ssweeny> yeah
[03:40] <roasted_> banshee doesn't handle playlists right on my sansa
[03:40] <roasted_> nor does rhythmbox
[03:40] <roasted_> the only app that does ia amarok
[03:46] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: k, stable works
[03:47] <ChinnoDog> ssweeny: I like The Information, but he sounds like he is stoned on the last track
[03:54] <waltman> You know, people complain about iTunes, but I haven't found anything in the open source world that comes close to its functionality and ease of use.
[03:54] <waltman> A year or two I tried to get amarok to subscribe to a few podcasts, and it was a nightmare.
[04:36] <ssweeny_> every experience i've ever had with itunes has ended in tears
[04:36] <ssweeny_> also ChinnoDog i cannot think of a beck track in which he does not sound stoned
[12:13] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[15:41] <InHisName> PA says morning to JonathanD
[15:41] <JonathanD> Why thank you PA.
[15:43] <InHisName> You are quite welcome, JonathanD.   May you have a GREAT morning.
[15:48] <JonathanD> Thanks :)
[15:49] <EvilPhoenix> good morning everyone
[15:49] <EvilPhoenix> i trust you are well?
[15:49] <EvilPhoenix> because its a (cold) but beautiful day in the state capitol :P
[15:49] <EvilPhoenix> s/in/at/
[15:50] <InHisName> I had a nice 4 mile walk in this great briskness this morning.
[15:52] <InHisName> Thanks to my 6y/o taking too long to do his shower / dress/ bed making/ b'fast/    wasted all his time including his reading practice time until the bus passed.  THEN he tried to hurry for the bus.  HAH!
[15:54] <InHisName> Now back in basement chuggin' away on taxes etc.
[17:00] <JonathanD> I have camping info.
[17:00] <andrew> go on
[17:01] <JonathanD> Site C and D are available on the 24th-25th.
[17:01] <JonathanD> 25 and 15 person capacity.
[17:01] <JonathanD> I'm going to assume we want C, or both.
[17:03] <JonathanD> andrew: You in?
[17:05] <andrew> where's this?
[17:05] <JonathanD> Washington Crossing, NJ
[17:05] <andrew> also, map, so I know what the difference with c and d is?
[17:05] <andrew> hate ssh lag
[17:06] <JonathanD> I don't have one yet.
[17:06] <andrew> none on website?
[17:12] <JonathanD> looking.
[17:12] <JonathanD> but it doesn't look like it.
[17:13] <JonathanD> I think they can "fax" us one.
[17:15] <JonathanD> andrew: http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/docs/washington_crossing_brochure.pdf I think this is it.
[17:15] <JonathanD> doesn't really show what you asked for, though.
[17:20] <andrew> what is this 'fax' you speak of?
[17:21] <andrew> JonathanD: it does
[17:21] <andrew> 'top' (aka right) of first page
[17:58] <JonathanD> andrew: yeah, but you can't really see them...
[17:59] <JonathanD> beyond "hey, they exist"
[18:11] <JonathanD> andrew: hi.
[18:11] <JonathanD> lilug suggested we use "wepay" this year, instead of paypal.
[18:11] <JonathanD> The fees are lower, and it'll allow me to add people other than myself to have access.
[18:20] <andrew> I'll just send a check to your address, the fees are lower
[18:21] <JonathanD> andrew: I was going to add you to wepay, if we used it.
[18:21] <JonathanD> as an alternate person.
[18:25] <waltman> Washington's Crossing doesn't seem remote enough to me. I bet they don't even have bears there.
[18:25] <JonathanD> waltman: I called ahead.
[18:25] <JonathanD> They'll ship some in.
[18:25] <waltman> excellent
[18:28] <waltman> My apologies. I just checked the map and saw "Bear Tavern Rd." I suspect that's where they'll stay.
[18:30] <JonathanD> https://www.wepay.com/tickets/view/175445
[18:30] <PennBot> Title: geeknic camping trip 2011 | WePay (at www.wepay.com)
[18:30] <JonathanD> wepay thingy.
[20:24] <JonathanD> waltman: are you in for camping?
[20:24] <waltman> probably not
[20:24] <JonathanD> :(
[20:24] <JonathanD> We'll let you bring a bear.
[20:24] <waltman> aww
[20:25] <ChinnoDog> I thought when you went camping the bears came to you
[20:25] <waltman> when would this be?
[20:25] <waltman> the wepay page doesn't have any dates
[20:26] <JonathanD> oh
[20:26] <JonathanD> June 24th and 25th
[20:26] <JonathanD> waltman: yeah, the geeknic page will have the details and wepay is just for registering etc but I need to create the geeknic pgae ;)
[20:26] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm mostly feeling for numbers right now, so I know if 25 is enough space.
[20:27] <waltman> That's the weekend before YAPC.
[20:27] <JonathanD> Yes, yes it is.
[20:27] <JonathanD> It's on the way!
[20:27] <JonathanD> for some value of way.
[20:27] <pleia2> hehe
[20:27] <waltman> there's a good chance I'll be leaving on Saturday.
[20:27] <JonathanD> :(
[20:28] <JonathanD> Who will tell us perl horror stories around the campfire?
[20:29] <waltman> I know -- pleia2!
[20:30] <pleia2> nooo, June is my staying at home month
[20:31] <waltman> booo
[20:33] <JonathanD> Change of plans
[20:33] <JonathanD> We're not camping at WC NJ
[20:33] <JonathanD> we're camping in pleia2's house.
[20:33] <JonathanD> So she can stay home.
[20:33] <waltman> yay
[20:33] <JonathanD> waltman: you get the firewood.
[20:33] <JonathanD> and/or firefurniture.
[20:33] <waltman> Can't we just use holowood instead?  It's much lighter.
[20:33] <pleia2> I don't think 25 people would fit in here standing...
[20:34] <JonathanD> pleia2: I'll add some sq footage.
[20:34] <andrew> challenge accepted
[20:34] <waltman> How about up on your roof deck?
[20:34]  * JonathanD adjusts the parameters of the holoprogram.
[20:34] <JonathanD> waltman: that would be my front porch... breaking the 4th wall, man.
[20:34] <JonathanD> or 5th wall? if it's the ceiling?
[20:34] <pleia2> sure, we can pitch tents on the roof
[20:34] <JonathanD> is the ceiling 5th or 6th?
[20:34] <waltman> s/roof/holoroof/
[20:35] <waltman> And if we run out of burgers, we can just go across the street to Chipotle!
[20:35] <JonathanD> pleia2: this year theres a museum AND an observatory.
[20:35] <JonathanD> But no suicide cliffs.
[20:36] <waltman> Only bears.
[20:36] <pleia2> waltman: JonathanD said I needed to bring my own bears
[20:37] <waltman> OK, you can have some of my bears.
[20:37] <JonathanD> I have gummie bears.
[20:38] <waltman> I have panda licorice
[20:38] <pleia2> penguin gummies were tastey
[20:39] <JonathanD> Should I bring the penguin?
[20:41] <waltman> definitely!
[21:15] <ChinnoDog> mm, sugary cupcake
[21:35] <bts3685|vps> surgery cupcake?
[21:43] <ChinnoDog> Yes. Cupcake augmentation.
[22:14] <oz120> hello
[22:38] <bts3685|vps> cupcake_augmentation++
[22:42] <bts3685|vps> cupcake segregation?
[22:42] <bts3685|vps> fought by the late Dr. Martin Luther Icing, Jr.


[10:24] <rmg51> Morning
[13:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:14] <teddy-dbear> Happy Snooze Year :-D


[07:25] <rww> chu: thinking it's PM spammer dude too?
[07:25] <rww> OERIAS: is there something we can help you with?
[07:26] <chu> rww: Yep.
[07:26] <rww> i figure we're probably not both wrong
[07:30] <rww> @comment 71201 pm spammer idiot, 7d
[09:48] <valorie> I would appreciate a new neon factoid, because the old one is hugely out-of-date
[09:48] <valorie> not sure what it should say, though
[09:48] <valorie> !neon
[09:48] <valorie> gads, even bad spelling
[09:49] <k1l_> hmm, but isnt that what project neon is? except its non-ubuntu-community now?
[09:49] <valorie> perhaps: KDE neon questions should go to #kde-neon
[09:49] <valorie> there is no #project-neon
[09:50] <k1l_> ah ok.
[09:50] <valorie> and the old page is only there for history
[09:51] <valorie> we're starting to get support requests in #kubuntu and we simply cannot do that support


[13:52] <dijuremo> My LACP issue was fixed by the network team by making a configuration change on the N9K-C93108TC-EX switches. They added: lacp rate fast
[13:52] <dijuremo> to the port configuration. Per Cisco documentation this should only be added to 1G NIC ports. Our NICs are 1Gbit and things are working well now.


 @marneu [Same issue, but the solution I posted above solved it for me. Just wanted to say …], I once herad that tjsi could help https://cialu.net/enable-hardware-acceleration-firefox-make-faster/
[06:43] <animemaster> Num lock key is working in reverse any fix?
[06:43] <wxl> see `numlockx`
[06:43] <animemaster> Lubuntu 18.04
[06:44] <animemaster> Did numlockx
[06:45] <wxl> how?
[06:45] <wxl> you can either use it to toggle or explicitly set state
 I add numlockx to my autostart list on any distro where I can't find that option in settings.
[15:25] <wxl> lyn||ian: it seems like there's some filesystems that work with efi and some fail
[15:26] <wxl> oops
[15:36] <ChunkzZ> Excited for tomorrow :)
 @wxl [<wxl> lyn||ian: it seems like there's some filesystems that work with efi and so …], ECHAN wxl is ECHAN
[17:03] <wxl> you're just making it worse continuing it here :)
[18:14] <ChunkzZ> Hmmmmm
[20:51] <saptech> hello all
 Heya
[20:52] <saptech> I was playing an music cd that was burned and it play but it pauses alot, as if it's caching or something. any idea why this may happen?
[20:53] <saptech> I'm using audacious music player to listen to cd
[20:54] <saptech> using the disc with devuan & mageia linux it do not pause while playing
[20:54] <saptech> any ideas?
 Could the player be set with a low priority thus getting preempted for system resources?
[21:02] <saptech> i'll check
[21:04] <saptech> well, currently I tried mpv and it's playing fine, so far
[21:04] <saptech> let me try audacious again
[21:05] <saptech> it may have been buffering the disc
[21:05] <saptech> so far it's better
 If it starts pausing again you might want to fire up htop to see where cpu and ram are being shunted.
[22:41] <saptech> Dreamingwolf, ok