[02:48] <smoser> blackboxsw: ok. one or 2 questions
[02:48] <smoser> then i do go.
[02:48] <smoser> 18.3-24-gf6249277-0ubuntu2
[02:48] <smoser> did you actually upload a 0ubuntu1 ?
[02:48] <blackboxsw> smoser: I didn't so I was debating about just consolidating into ubuntu1
[02:48] <smoser> if not... you could have just adjusted
[02:49] <smoser> yeah
[02:49] <smoser> git rebase is really qonderful for that sort of thing
[02:49] <blackboxsw> yeah ok I'll do that and the merge into origin/ubuntu/devel
[02:49] <smoser> and in order to facilitate easier git rebase
[02:49] <blackboxsw> yeah rebase -i
[02:49] <blackboxsw> will do and collapse it
[02:49] <smoser> and also easier 'git cherry-pick'
[02:49] <smoser> if you put the 'update changelog' in a separate commit
[02:49] <smoser> then its easier
[02:49] <smoser> so commit one of debian/cloud-init.templates
[02:49] <smoser> and then commit -m 'update changelog'
[02:50] <smoser> because otherwise cherry-pick or rebase with those commits is always oing to conflict on a debian/changelog
[02:50] <smoser> which isn't helpful
[02:50] <blackboxsw> ok I get it, so don't collapse"fixup" the separate changelog commit
[02:50] <smoser> no worries. its all fine.
[02:50] <smoser> did you upload ?
[02:51] <blackboxsw> nope just saw my curtin ubuntu/devel merged
[02:51] <blackboxsw> you didn't do that right?
[02:51] <smoser> yeah, just have 2 commits. you can look at the log in ubuntu/devel, its filled with "update changelog" messages for each change in debian/
[02:51] <smoser> i did not intend to merge anything..
[02:52] <blackboxsw> I was waiting on autolander for the curtin branch.
[02:52] <smoser> hm..
[02:52] <blackboxsw> and hoped that jenkins would do it.
[02:52] <smoser> i was always just merging the debian branches myself.
[02:52] <smoser> building loacally and pusing.
[02:53] <smoser> but its fine if we want the lander to do it.
[02:53] <smoser> anyway.. i really should go
[02:53] <smoser> enjoy the rest of your friday  night ;)
[02:53] <blackboxsw> and it is merged now so I'll upload curtin per build-and-push  https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/curtin/+git/curtin/+merge/353361
[02:53] <blackboxsw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vq8Mn2pTpt/
[02:53] <blackboxsw> thanks will do see ya
[02:54] <blackboxsw> yeah waiting on autolander is taking too long, will sort what I can and get it tonight or tomorrow
[02:54] <blackboxsw> night
[03:02] <blackboxsw> lander failures 2018-08-18 03:00:18,589 - tests.cloud_tests - ERROR - stage: collect test data for xenial encountered error: [Errno 28] No space left on device: '/tmp/LXDInstance-cloud-test-ubuntu-xenial-modules-ntp-servers-2s2jjcujy8pnqtgks3gb_h9t5s'
[03:02] <blackboxsw> gonna have to clean up torkoal again
[04:26] <blackboxsw> ok gotta upload in prog head off https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/18.3-24-gf6249277-0ubuntu1/+build/15278099


[15:59]  * arosales waiting for folks to join before kicking off the Ubuntu Server Team meeting . .  ..
[16:00] <gaughen> o/
[16:00] <arges> o/
[16:00] <caribou> o/
[16:00] <smb> \o
[16:02] <arosales> alright 2 minute past on my side lets get started
[16:02] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 17 16:02:27 2015 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03]  * arosales doesn't see any action points from last meeting
[16:03] <arosales> #info no action items from previous meeting
[16:03] <beisner> o/
[16:03] <arosales> #topic Vivid Development
[16:04] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[16:04] <arosales> Feature Freeze this thursday
[16:04] <arosales> beta1 following thursday
[16:04] <arosales> everyone got their features in or an FFE filled ?
[16:05] <arosales> #action [all] Ensure features are in or file FFE
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: [all] Ensure features are in or file FFE
[16:05] <arosales> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:05] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-v-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:06] <arosales> ubuntu-server not looking too bad in the bug list
[16:06] <arosales> 3 bugs total
[16:06] <arosales> one high
[16:06] <arosales> #link http://launchpad.net/bugs/1409639
[16:06] <arosales> looks like the high one is for Juju
[16:07] <arosales> I'll ping the juju-core devs on filling a FFE, looks like last comment (1-15) was to scope this out
[16:07] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1385851 -- medium
[16:07] <arosales> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1098654  -- low
[16:08] <arosales> if others are interested in following the other 2 bugs
[16:08] <arosales> #action [arosales] to follow up with juju-core devs on lp:1409639
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: [arosales] to follow up with juju-core devs on lp:1409639
[16:08] <arosales> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:08] <arosales> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-v/group/topic-v-server.html
[16:09] <arosales> looks like 3 blueprints listed here
[16:10] <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-v-openstack-charms is in red
[16:10] <arosales> gnuoy: looks like you got the lead on this one.  Still tracking ok?
[16:11] <gnuoy> yes, working through it
[16:11] <arosales> gnuoy: great, thanks
[16:11] <arosales> no severity set for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-v-server-core
[16:11] <arosales> rbasak: General sever work tracking ok for the release?
[16:12] <rbasak> We had to postpone a few bits.
[16:12] <rbasak> The blueprint is up to date though.
[16:12] <arosales> rbasak: thanks
[16:12] <rbasak> I'm (still) working on MySQL 5.6. I think it'll make it though.
[16:13] <arosales> rbasak: good to hear
[16:13] <arosales> and zul https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-v-openstack-kilo is non-red any comments?
[16:14] <zul> need to update it
[16:14] <arosales> zul: ok
[16:15] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:15] <caribou> arosales: nothing on my radar for this week
[16:15] <arosales> caribou: ok, thanks for joining
[16:15] <arosales> #info no agenda items for Server & Cloud Bugs
[16:16] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:16] <hallyn> ok, so,
[16:16] <hallyn> should we drop this item?  we no longer have a contact point, really,
[16:16] <hallyn> beisner: ^ do you want to take on this topic?
[16:17] <hallyn> you can bring up any known outstanding failures...
[16:17] <beisner> hi all
[16:17] <hallyn> in which case arosales should take an action to change this ^ in the agenda :)
[16:17] <beisner> matsubara and I have been working to review the tests in the CI and QA teams which are server-centric.
[16:17] <arosales> if beisner agrees I certainly can :-)
[16:18] <beisner> there is a transition happening now on that, so no news to report atm.
[16:18] <hallyn> "(beisner|matsubara)" perhaps
[16:18] <arosales> #action [arosales] update QA contact to beisner | matsubara
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: [arosales] update QA contact to beisner | matsubara
[16:18] <hallyn> beisner: thanks
[16:18] <beisner> yes i'd say it is safe to remove psivaa
[16:18] <beisner> thank you
[16:18] <arosales> #action beisner | matsubara confirm QA contact
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: beisner | matsubara confirm QA contact
[16:18] <arosales> beisner: thanks for the update
[16:19] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:19] <smb> Nothing from the kernel side right now. From the Xen side the last libvirt update caused some new issues which I will fix. Ideally when rebuilding libvirt and qemu after moving Xen to 4.5. Not sure I get the final review done before FF.
[16:19] <hallyn> smb: there's an issue with vlans in trusty 3.13 kernel, fwiw
[16:19] <smb> hallyn, got a bug #
[16:19] <hallyn> not yet, asked thereporter if he minded opening a bug
[16:19] <hallyn> just a heads-up
[16:20] <smb> hallyn, ok thanks
[16:20] <hallyn> smb,
[16:20] <hallyn> what does "Ideally when rebuilding libvirt and qemu after moving Xen to 4.5." mean?
[16:20]  * smb thinks he is using vlans with trusty
[16:20] <hallyn> are you asking for us to do something different when uplaoding those?
[16:21] <smb> hallyn, Just that I have to do no-change-rebuild after updating xen
[16:21] <hallyn> oh, ok - thx.  btw, https://lists.linuxcontainers.org/pipermail/lxc-users/2015-February/008542.html
[16:21] <smb> hallyn, Though a quick ping on irc when changing libvirt or qemu would be nice as well
[16:21] <hallyn> (is the original vlan bug report)
[16:22] <hallyn> smb: ok.
[16:22] <smb> hallyn, it was a bit like playing whack-a-dpkg to keep my ppa current lately ;)
[16:22] <arosales> smb: thanks for the update.
[16:23] <arges> hallyn: bug 1410852 ^^
[16:23] <arges> is that it?
[16:23] <arosales> hallyn: may I give you an action to follow up on the issues with vlan in trusty 3.13 bug with smb?
[16:23] <arosales> or is that the one from arges :-)
[16:24] <hallyn> arosales: i'm just asking for it to be reproted against th ekernel :)
[16:24] <arges> hallyn: i can target that bug to linux, if that's the right one
[16:24] <hallyn> arges: looks like same bug, different reporter
[16:24] <arosales> hallyn: understood
[16:24] <arges> hallyn: ack
[16:24] <hallyn> arges: cool, thanks
[16:25] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:25] <arosales> any events folks have coming up?
[16:25] <arosales> If folks are in Los Angeles there is scale, http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/13x
[16:26] <arosales> I think kirkland, jcastro, and marcoceppi are giving talks there
[16:26] <arosales> http://strataconf.com/big-data-conference-ca-2015 also this week, if folks are on the west coast and interested in big data
[16:27] <arosales> and finally http://www-01.ibm.com/software/websphere/events/impact/ is in a week in las vegas if folks are interested in learning more about Ubuntu Server on Power
[16:27] <arosales> any other events, meetups etc.?
[16:28] <arosales> . . .
[16:28] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:28] <arosales> Any other topics?
[16:29] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:29] <arosales> Tuesday 2015-02-24 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:29] <arosales> thanks for joining
[16:29] <beisner> thanks, arosales
[16:29] <caribou> thanks arosales
[16:29] <kickinz1> Thanks
[16:29] <arosales> np, glad to
[16:29] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 16:29:47 2015 UTC.
[16:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-17-16.02.moin.txt
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/\o <- high five
[17:00] <ogasawara> heh
[17:00] <ogasawara> that makes me happy :)
[17:01] <arges> : )
[17:01] <chiluk> someone start it.
[17:01] <smb>  /o\
[17:01] <bjf> o/
[17:01] <cking> \o
[17:01] <chiluk> ^o^
[17:02] <kamal> \_o_/
[17:02] <ogasawara> #startmeeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb 17 17:02:15 2015 UTC.  The chair is ogasawara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:02] <ogasawara> muahahah
[17:02] <chiluk> ^o^
[17:02] <chiluk> ^^ I am batman
[17:02] <ogasawara> Uhhhh, I don't have jsalisbury's runes, but we know the drill...
[17:02] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: Vivid Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We are in the process of rebasing our Vivid kernel to v3.18.7 upstream
[17:02] <ogasawara> stable.  We'll try to get it uploaded today.  We would also like to push
[17:02] <ogasawara> the v3.19 based kernel we have up to the archive asap.  We are still
[17:02] <ogasawara> cleaning up some remaining DKMS drivers before we do.  For anyone
[17:02] <ogasawara> interested in getting an early preview, we have a v3.19 based kernel
[17:02] <ogasawara> available for testing in our ckt PPA.
[17:02] <ogasawara> -----
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 19 - 14.04.2 Point Release (~2 days away, yes this was
[17:03] <ogasawara> delayed)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Feb 26 - Beta 1 Freeze (~1 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Mar 26 - Fina l Beta (~5 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Apr 09 - Kernel Freeze (~7 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <ogasawara> I think bjf is up...
[17:04] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Verification
[17:04] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification
[17:04] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Verification
[17:04] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Verification
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Current cycle had ended. Waiting for next cycle to start on Feb. 08.
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> cycle: 06-Feb through 28-Feb
[17:04] <bjf> [17:04] <bjf>          06-Feb   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:04] <bjf> 08-Feb - 14-Feb   Kernel prep week.
[17:04] <bjf> 15-Feb - 28-Feb   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <ogasawara> Anyone have anything to discuss?  Raise your hand o/.
[17:05] <ogasawara> ok, thanks everyone
[17:05] <ogasawara> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb 17 17:05:22 2015 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-17-17.02.moin.txt
[17:05] <kamal> thanks ogasawara
[17:05] <ppisati> thanks ogasawara
[17:05] <cking> indeedy


[00:16] <Unit193> BiosElement: If you find a plugin that works with KeePassX and FF, link me?
[00:16] <BiosElement> Unit193: I will. Actually thinking of looking to see how hard it'd be to make a web interface for a keepass database
[00:17] <Unit193> The ones I found only work with KeePass... (And that should run under mono)
[00:20] <Cheri703> SO ANNOYED
[00:20] <jgould> Why?
[00:22] <Cheri703> my mic worked earlier today, I checked it. now when I'm just about ready to start recording a screencast (that I've been trying to start since like 2pm -_-) it suddenly decides it doesn't want to recognize input
[00:22] <canthus13> Cheri703: Are you sure you have the correct mic selected? (I've had it switch to a different mic, mute itself, deselect all mics...)
[00:23] <Cheri703> yup
[00:23] <Cheri703> have been switching to make sure
[00:26] <jgould> I threw a mouse ealier that wasn't working right...
[00:26] <jgould> does that make you feel better?
[00:27] <Cheri703> so it would seem that it was the headset itself -_- changed headsets and we're good
[00:28] <jgould> that will do it
[00:28] <Cheri703> luckily it was my husband's spare headset, not my usual one...it had been with the stuff for my trip
[00:28] <Cheri703> so now I'm using mine :)
[00:31] <canthus13> Cheri703: Mebbe he shorted out the mic from yelling into it? :)
[00:31] <Cheri703> nah, he wasn't using it today
[00:31] <Cheri703> it's a crappy one anyway
[00:32] <jgould> that's why the mic shorted... it's a crappy headset that had it's feelings hurt
[00:33] <Cheri703> I think it's working! so now to attempt to record the first section of this thing...this may be a LONG night -_-
[00:35] <jgould> The Accessiblity pages say orca's on the live CD. (I can't remember if we fiugred that our or not)
[00:55] <Cheri703> http://cheezfailbooking.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/funny-facebook-fails-copy-pasta-of-the-day-who-deserves-credit.jpg
[00:57] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1's laptop/netbook
[01:03] <jgould> Heh
[01:09] <jgould> How does the sever version generate the 'System Information' data at login?
[01:16] <Unit193> Good to know that you can install linux on PS3 again!
[01:18] <dmcglone1> Hello Unit193. sorry I had to run to Dairy Queen
[01:18] <dmcglone1> Hello jgould, Cheri703
[01:18] <jgould> 'Ello dmcglone1
[01:20] <Cheri703> o/
[01:23] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Don't be sorry for that! (unless you didn't get me any)
[01:23] <dmcglone1> jgould: did the server version work for you?
[01:23] <jgould> for the macbook?
[01:23] <dmcglone1> then I'm sorry
[01:23] <dmcglone1> jgould: yeah
[01:24] <jgould> I'm using a Beta 2 disk for Natty. My issue was actually ndiswrapper causing the system to hang
[01:32] <dmcglone1> I see
[01:34] <jgould> I can boot as much as I want without ndiswrapper instaleld
[01:34] <jgould> I picked up a Zonet usb adaptor today that works (Thanks Cheri703!)
[01:34] <Cheri703> awesome!
[01:34] <Cheri703> I'm glad it's working!
[01:35] <jgould> So am I
[01:35] <jgould> I'm just paitently waiting for the built in wifi card to start working. :)
[01:35] <Cheri703> :) at least you have it, and you can use it as backup for other machines if that one starts working
[01:36] <jgould> The wnic in my Mac Mini is hosed.  So that will be the next place it goes (or the server so that it goes faster than 100Mbit...
[01:36] <Cheri703> :)
[01:38] <jgould> we're heading home from the library.  Be back in a bit
[02:05] <jgould> and we're back
[02:05] <Unit193> Welcome back
[02:22] <dmcglone1> `welcome back jgould
[02:22] <dmcglone1> what library did you go to jgould?
[02:33] <jgould> Hilliard.  It's down the street fromt he house
[02:35] <dmcglone1> Ah Ok
[02:44] <jgould> I wonder why my macbook didn't want to suspend when we left the library
[02:47] <jgould> Bluetooth is working at 100% now
[02:48] <jgould> Of course I can't remember the settings for my tethering plan..
[02:50]  * canthus13 kicks bluetooth. hard. repeatedly. :(
[02:51] <jgould> :o
[02:51] <jgould> why?
[02:58] <jgould> One downside to not using evoloution for email: the accounts don't appear under the little menu in teh menu bar...
[03:06] <canthus13> jgould: It falls apart on me constantly.
[03:07] <canthus13> Sync fails every few minutes.  (On two different machines with two different adapters on multiple devices...)
[03:08] <jgould> wow...
[03:08] <dmcglone1> I use evolution without problem. Hmmm
[03:08] <jgould> I can't decide.... Gnome or XFCE!
[03:08] <canthus13> Not evolution. bluetooth.
[03:09] <dmcglone1> jgould: using pop3 or IMAP?
[03:09] <jgould> Have you tried the sledgehammer approach?
[03:09] <jgould> IMAP.  Too many devices for pop
[03:09] <dmcglone1> I use IMAP and all my accounts appear
[03:10] <jgould> To *not* use evolution
[03:11] <canthus13> anyway.. I'm out.
[03:11] <jgould> LAter
[03:11] <dmcglone1> jgould: got a SS hang on
[03:12] <jgould> SS?
[03:14] <dmcglone1> Screen Shto
[03:14] <dmcglone1> shot
[03:14] <dmcglone1> http://ubuntuone.com/p/rBf/
[03:16] <jgould> if you aren't using evolution, they don't show up.  I'm using thunderbird.
[03:17] <dmcglone1> I've never used thunderbird :-/
[03:17]  * Unit193 has
[03:18] <dmcglone1> what makes thunderbird stand out?
[03:18] <jgould> I can't make up my mind as to which WM to use
[03:18] <Unit193> Try both and see what you like best (I'm guessing you already did that...)
[03:19] <jgould> to me it intergrates with gmail better than most other clients
[03:19] <Unit193> Addons are one thing
[03:19] <jgould> I have, and that is the beauty of this.  I can change at will...
[03:19] <Unit193> jgould: Use one 'til you want to use the other ;)
[03:19] <dmcglone1> I see. I have a gmail account but never use it
[03:20] <jgould> exactly, Unit193
[03:20] <dmcglone1> I like kmail too
[03:21] <dmcglone1> I use evolution because it's easier to sync with U1
[03:22] <jgould> All of my syncing is done OTA.    I've never used mulitple workspaces...
[03:34] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Was working on PXE a second ago
[03:36] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Are you working on anything?
[03:39] <dmcglone1> no not at the moment :-/
[03:40] <dmcglone1> I've been burnt out lately
[03:41] <jgould> l
[03:41] <jgould> I always forget about the aliases...
[03:48] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Do you know what Ophcrack is?
[03:49] <dmcglone1> no
[03:49] <Unit193> http://ophcrack.sf.net/
[03:49] <Unit193> Windows Password Recovery
[03:50] <dmcglone1> cool
[03:51] <Unit193> I can boot that (minus tables) from the network
[03:51] <jgould> shouldn't home directories be 750? (unless my mind is fried...)
[03:51] <dmcglone1> 755 jgould
[03:52] <Unit193> 755??
[03:52] <dmcglone1> 777
[03:52] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:52] <canthus13> 666
[03:52] <jgould> you want other to have r-x access to the home directories?
[03:52] <canthus13> :P
[03:52] <jgould> LOL
[03:53] <canthus13> jgould: depends.
[03:53] <Cheri703> Unit193: all you need is a normal live cd/usb and chntpw if you're trying to get into a windows box
[03:53] <canthus13> usually, though, 750 works for private stuff, 755 for your public folder.
[03:53] <Unit193> Cheri703: I have a PXE setup of that too (That's not what I'm looking to do)
[03:54] <Cheri703> kk
[03:54]  * dmcglone1 /home is public
[03:54] <dmcglone1> haha
[03:55] <canthus13> dmcglone1: /home is. your home folder shouldn't be, though.. I think it defaults to 755, but 750 would be better for privacy.
[03:55] <dmcglone1> I share everything in my /home on my network :-)
[03:56] <jgould> How does NFS handle user level security
[03:56] <canthus13> jgould: Not very well. NFS isn't really that secure.
[03:56] <canthus13> jgould: If you're worried about security, sshfs or *shudder* samba.
[03:57]  * canthus13 uses NFS for simplicity.
[03:57] <canthus13> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/security.html
[03:57] <jgould> I've already decided that samba and linux act funny together...
[03:58] <jgould> My favroite site: tdlp.org
[03:58] <Unit193> I have Samba server running on the one
[03:58] <canthus13> NFS can be made mostly secure, but things like su can get around all NFS security.
[03:58] <dmcglone1> I've uses samba for years
[03:59] <jgould> I can't authenticate to the samba server from Ubuntu
[04:00] <jgould> it asks for a domain, and their isn't one...
[04:00] <dmcglone1> have you installed cifs?
[04:00] <Unit193> jgould: mount.cifs
[04:01] <jgould> Even from the GUI?
[04:02]  * canthus13 prefers to not deal with samba's complexity. NFS is far simpler for a home network.
[04:02] <Unit193> For GUI (In Xubuntu) I use Gigolo
[04:02] <dmcglone1> jgould: you probably haven't installed cifs thats why you cant authenticate
[04:03] <dmcglone1> I just put it in my fstab Unit193
[04:04] <Unit193> dmcglone1: I haven't tried to figure out fstab.....
[04:04] <jgould> Just installed cifs and still can;t authenitcate
[04:05] <dmcglone1> //192.168.x.x /sharename /where you want mounted cifs auto,user 0 0
[04:05] <dmcglone1> jgould: restart samba
[04:07] <dmcglone1> Unit193: example: //<IP_ADDRESS>/Documents	/home/david/Documents cifs user,auto 0 0
[04:08] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Sweet! I'll set it up!
[04:08] <jgould> restart on the client or the server?
[04:08] <dmcglone1> server
[04:09] <Cheri703> domain = workgroup for samba
[04:09] <dmcglone1> my workgroup is dmcghome :-)
[04:10] <Unit193> = Alpha-Network
[04:10] <jgould> Nada
[04:11] <dmcglone1> jgould: how are you trying to mount the shares?
[04:12] <jgould> file manager --> network --> Windows Network --> Gould --> Claire --> Share that I want mounted
[04:13] <dmcglone1> that never works, it takes forever
[04:13] <dmcglone1> mount using command line or put the line I posted above in your fstab
[04:14] <dmcglone1> of course change the info to suit your network
[04:14] <jgould> I'll stick to NFS
[04:15] <dmcglone1> the reason I use samba is because I have fat32 partitions
[04:15] <Unit193> dmcglone1: It worked for me in XFCE
[04:15] <jgould> XFCE or Xubuntu?
[04:15] <dmcglone1> the fstab hack Unit193?
[04:16] <Unit193> jgould: Xubuntu
[04:16] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Haven't done it yet...
[04:16] <dmcglone1> what worked for you in XFCE?
[04:17] <Unit193> Hitting the Network thing on the side panel
[04:19] <dmcglone1> it always worked sporadic for me and took forever
[04:19] <dmcglone1> but I also like to have my shares mounted on startup, so thats why I stick it in my fstab
[04:20] <dmcglone1> no clicking anywhere for me, it's there right when I log in :-)
[04:23] <Unit193> Ubuntu isn't easy to put into PXE, SliTaz is...
[04:31] <jgould> I love VNC
[04:32] <dmcglone1> I'm out all, g'night
[04:32] <jgould> Night
[04:32] <Unit193> VNC is sweet! canthus13 would say to try FreeNX
[04:33] <jgould> It's on a windows client.  my wife's laptop is displayless
[04:33] <Unit193> If it's XP Pro you can RDP in
[04:34] <Unit193> FreeRDP is what I use
[04:35] <jgould> VNC works for when I need to get in there.
[04:37] <Unit193> OK, :x
[04:39] <jgould> If I can get her to switch, then I will have to figure out how to do that with X
[04:40] <Unit193> I use x11vnc (tight is nice if you want another desktop)
[04:41] <jgould> You mean like an alt+f8 desktop?
[04:42] <Unit193> Not exactly... Like another X server (apt-cache show tightvncserver)
[04:42] <deejoe> slitaz, eh?
[04:42]  * deejoe is getting a bit of a slackware vibe
[04:43] <Unit193> deejoe: It's easy over PXE (Isn't it from source distro?)
[04:44] <deejoe> I have to give them props, at least, as they run their own build hosts, and don't seem to be an Nth level derivative respin of debian, like so many distros (or of RH)
[04:45] <Unit193> And they know what lightweight is (30MB)
[04:51] <canthus13> FreeNX is easier on bandwidth and smoother than VNC.
[04:51] <canthus13> VNC is fine over a LAN...
[04:52]  * Unit193 can't use FreeNX
[04:54] <jgould> damn it... I cant get firefox to come to the front...
[04:56] <jgould> you guys ever had that happen?
[04:57] <canthus13> no... I have issues sometimes with gnome-panel jumping to the front, over full-screen windows.
[05:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: Here's awesome.. and sad.  http://www.vnykmshr.com/2011/04/accepted-commited-resolved-boo-yah/
[05:07] <Cheri703> very interesting
[05:22] <jgould> I'm ssh'd in to all of my linux boxes...
[05:23] <Cheri703> do you feel the POWAH?!!!
[05:26] <jgould> Yep... hopefully I didn't just screw up my install
[05:29]  * canthus13 sshs into all his boxes. :)
[05:30] <jgould> That sounds dirty, canthus13
[05:31] <canthus13> :D
[05:31] <canthus13> jgould: It's great. Kid won't go to bed, my wife texts me. I ssh into his machine, boot him off. :)
[05:32] <jgould> heh.  Technology win
[05:33] <canthus13> Yup. That'll work for now... I may just use the router to limit his access times.. until he figures out how to spoof his MAC.  then I'll lock down the network to the point of only allowing certain MAC addresses. :)
[05:34] <jgould> is it possible to set logon times in Linux? (the same way you can in Windows)?
[05:34] <canthus13> Sure.
[05:34] <canthus13> But then you just use a liveCD to circumvent it.
[05:35] <jgould> keep the CD's locked up?
[05:35] <jgould> XD
[05:35] <canthus13> Bootable USB.
[05:35] <canthus13> ...and then when he figures out how to crack the neighbor's wireless, I'll have to crack it myself and secure it with WPA. :)
[05:36] <jgould> and lock them out XD ...  I woudl love to be there to see that
[05:36] <canthus13> jgould: ..I'd print instructions on their printer as to how to reconnect and what their new key is. :)
[05:36]  * canthus13 has already poked around on the neighbor's networks, knows that they all have network accesible printers.
[05:36] <jgould> Heh
[05:37]  * canthus13 wishes he could see people's faces when their printer comes to life and starts telling them to secure their networks...
[05:37] <jgould> I have hte key to our neighbors wireless... I helped her son set up his Xbox on the network and rather than keep walking and trying to remember the password, I snapped a picture with my phone
[05:37] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:38] <canthus13> I just use aircrack on the WEP 'encrypted' networks.
[05:38] <canthus13> Takes about 3 minutes to crack.
[05:38] <jgould> WEP is a joke
[05:39] <canthus13> I tell people that it's like a screen door on a bank vault... it keeps honest people honest.
[05:39] <canthus13> and keeps machines from automagically connecting to your network.
[05:39] <canthus13> ....
[05:39] <canthus13> Speaking of printers coming to life. :/
[05:40] <canthus13> my wife just printed her course schedule without warning me.
[05:40] <jgould> did yours just fire up
[05:40] <jgould> Heh
[05:40] <jgould> My HP LaserJet 5Si makes the lights flicker
[05:41] <canthus13> Yup.
[05:49] <jgould> Aww... I can't get my writing software to work... :(
[05:50] <Unit193> Wine?
[05:51] <jgould> Nope.  There is a native version, (Although the Wine version may be useful
[06:12] <jgould> I can't get it to install under wine either...
[06:13] <Cheri703> what program?
[06:13] <jgould> scrivener
[06:13] <Cheri703> you're in 11.04, yes?
[06:13] <jgould> yes
[06:14] <Cheri703> what about it isn't working?
[06:15] <Cheri703> don't know if this is helpful at all: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/scrivener-for-linux-gets-official-beta-release/
[06:18] <jgould> 'm getting tired so I don't really want to fool with stuff that doesn't wnat to work right away right this second... :|
[06:18] <Cheri703> understandable
[06:19] <Cheri703> I've been working on this stupid screencast project for about 14 hours (all phases, not just actual recording)
[06:19] <Cheri703> so...I know the feeling
[06:19] <Cheri703> and I'm still not even finished RECORDING, let alone editing and such
[06:19] <jgould> Heh
[06:20] <Cheri703> and I have to present it at noon
[06:20] <jgould> You saw that I didnt' give up when I couldn't get my macbook to work right... Now look at me
[06:20] <jgould> Ouch
[06:20] <Cheri703> heh, you've gotten it to a tolerable level
[06:21] <Cheri703> it's a matter of how much pain the issue is causing
[06:26] <jgould> Bingo... Forgot to link the libraries
[06:28] <Cheri703> \o/
[06:28] <jgould> Thank you, Cheri703
[06:36] <jgould> I really hope they keep up developing the Linux version...
[06:38] <jgould> I think I may be going to bed...   which is worse then the ads themselves. I didn't care about the boobie ads, I cared about the response.
[07:07] <Cheri703> yeah
[07:08] <BiosElement> I won't argue their logic that sex sells, though I don't know how true that is, but saying it's cool because everyone else does it is just lame at the very best.
[07:08] <Cheri703> yeah
[07:09] <BiosElement> Ironically I'd just heard about that about two days AFTER adding them to my RSS reader...and then removed them
[07:09] <Unit193> What reader? And is it only the ads?
[07:09] <BiosElement> Unit193: No, it's not only the ads, though the ads were the some of the most pathetic I've seen. And I use google reader with Feedr
[07:12] <BiosElement> Unit193: http://twitpic.com/4i3htz If you're curious
[07:13] <BiosElement> ANd that's tame compared to a video of theirs
[07:14] <Unit193> Wow... I was guessing they were displaying the ads...
[07:15] <BiosElement> Ahh no, they were FB based ads
[07:15] <BiosElement> I think the "official" response after the "Everyone else does it" and "We have one for women too" was that it was meant to be a parody..
[07:18] <Unit193> Sadly, it seems like it has some good info...
[07:23] <BiosElement> Hah, they go nuts over 3 pixels moving to the left :P
[07:27] <BiosElement> Unit193: Actually been thinking of trying to get some people who'd like to write articles on ubuntu progress
[07:27] <BiosElement> Seems to me it's a disgrace that there isn't a quality community project for that. >.<
[07:28] <Unit193> If it has good info, I would read it!
[07:28] <Cheri703> fridge or whatever?
[07:29]  * Cheri703 doesn't read it, but...?
[07:29] <BiosElement> Cheri703: Well for starters, you answered your own question. :P It's more official ubuntu news then general updates.
[07:31] <Cheri703> kk
[07:57] <BiosElement> Exciting night heh
[07:58] <Cheri703> ugh, 3am and I'm NOW starting the editing part of this project -_-
[07:58] <Cheri703> hopefully, if I can figure out this software
[07:58] <BiosElement> Exciting!
[07:58] <BiosElement> >.>
[07:58] <Cheri703> yeah >.<
[07:59] <BiosElement> I'm about having as much fun. Digging through config file systems
[07:59] <BiosElement> Is NOT something I really enjoy.
[07:59] <Unit193> I wonder if Kon-Boot still works on Ubuntu...
[08:00] <BiosElement> Kon-Boot?
[08:01] <Unit193> http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/
[08:01] <BiosElement> Physical access = Root access
[08:02] <Unit193> Yep!
[08:03] <Unit193> I know how to get the pass in windows. Is it easy in linux?
[08:03] <BiosElement> LiveCD
[08:03] <BiosElement> ^So yes, easy. :P
[08:04] <BiosElement> If someone has physical access to your system, there's little that can stop them. Even biometric security won't help if they pull the drive.
[08:38] <Cheri703> so....I'm probably not going to sleep
[08:39] <Unit193> I will at some point (I hope before last night...)
[08:41] <Cheri703> this is insane
[08:41] <Cheri703> video editing = joke
[08:41] <Unit193> What program again? (UDS?)
[08:42] <Cheri703> this is for my openweek session at NOON
[08:42] <Cheri703> -_-
[08:43] <BiosElement> Bleh
[08:43] <Cheri703> yup
[08:51] <BiosElement> Wow
[08:51] <BiosElement> So the day after I removed a dependency
[08:51] <BiosElement> I added another
[08:51]  * BiosElement sighs
[08:53] <BiosElement> Oh AWESOME
[08:53] <BiosElement> Oracle is now claiming they're amazing F/OSS supporters
[08:53] <BiosElement> And closed 29 bugs in Hudson, AFTER the entire dev team forked the project.
[08:53] <BiosElement> I swear I think Oracle execs live in their own lil world.
[08:57] <BiosElement> Hah!
[08:57] <BiosElement> They're talking about relicensing it from the GPL to the EPL. When they don't own the copyright to much of the code...awesome.
[08:57]  * Unit193 doesn't know what the EPL is
[08:58] <BiosElement> Eclipse Public License
[08:58] <BiosElement> Yet another License used for like, a few dozen programs last I looked
[09:04]  * jgould stumbles back in
[09:05]  * jgould should be asleep
[09:05] <BiosElement> WB jgould
[09:05] <BiosElement> We found out one of the problems sony got FUBAR'd over
[09:05] <BiosElement> Their apache server wasn't updated.
[09:05] <Unit193> I'm with you there...
[09:05] <BiosElement> And didn't have any firewalls between public web and their user databases >.<
[09:05] <Unit193> +no firewall
[09:06] <BiosElement> I don't pretend to be an expert, I don't have any degrees, but even I friggen know that you never connect a high security database to the web directly
[09:06] <jgould> Now I'm on my internal wireless...  Someone figured out a way around the ndiswrapper hanging on boot.  Now lets see if it still brings the system down by killing the inputs
[09:06] <jgould> BiosElement: that's computers 101
[09:07] <Unit193> That far up?
[09:07] <jgould> maybe it's 100
[09:07] <jgould> the safest system is the one that's not networked...
[09:07] <BiosElement> Hah, computers 010
[09:08] <BiosElement> Or sysadmin 101
[09:08]  * jgould has never seen a 0xx class
[09:08] <BiosElement> It gets even better though
[09:08] <BiosElement> Sony is VISA 'certified' but they breached VISA's card storage rules as well
[09:09] <jgould> rut roh
[09:09] <jgould> I think I'm going to try this sleeping thing again...  Night gange
[09:09] <jgould> re -e
[09:09] <BiosElement> I find it simply amazing they're still trying to keep their pride with this nonsense and pretend it's no big deal.
[09:09] <BiosElement> Nighty night jgould
[09:37] <BiosElement> Any luck so far Cheri703?
[09:37] <Cheri703> was making a teeeeeeny tiny bit of progress and then pitivi crashed
[09:37] <Cheri703> if husband wasn't asleep I would be screaming profanities at my computer
[09:37] <BiosElement> Bleh, video editing is a pain
[09:46] <BiosElement> Wow
[09:47] <BiosElement> Not TWO DAYS after I looked for ssh key support for GoogleOS
[09:47] <BiosElement> And learning google told us to go to hell since we're just lame power users
[09:47] <BiosElement> Google updates it with, oh hey look, ssh key support.
[10:03] <Unit193> Wow it's late...
[10:03] <Unit193> Good night!
[10:15] <BiosElement> Or early
[10:15] <BiosElement> I think 5am is considered early
[10:15] <Cheri703> ugh
[11:55] <canthus13> BiosElement: Google is almost entirely staffed by 'lame power users', so that isn't too surprising...
[14:33] <dmcglone> Hiya all
[14:51] <Derath-Srvr> Hi all
[16:06] <thafreak> wow, my remote server aparently got rebooted
[16:06] <thafreak> it was weird to log in, and my screen/irssi session was gone
[16:13] <canthus13> thafreak: It got bored, left for greener servers...
[16:14] <thafreak> that always worries me when a server is rebooted, and I didn't do it
[16:16] <canthus13> Sounds like windows... :)
[16:17] <thafreak> which is what scares me
[16:17] <thafreak> running the aide report which didn't run today....which also scares me
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> which os?
[16:19] <Derath-Srvr> sigh
[16:19] <Derath-Srvr> nvm, guess with screen it'd have to be a *nix based...
[16:19] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, anything particular in messages or /var/log in general?
[16:19] <thafreak> it's lenny
[16:20] <Derath-Srvr> I'd check the uptime to see when it came up and look around for timestamps about 5 minutes before then...
[16:20] <thafreak> gap in my logs
[16:20] <Derath-Srvr> then again, I'm the type to actually go through the log files rather than have a python parse it out for me ;)
[16:20] <Derath-Srvr> gaps?
[16:20] <thafreak> nothing between 5:50 am and when the machine rebooted at 7:48am...atleast in messages
[16:20] <Derath-Srvr> Power fail?
[16:21] <thafreak> possible I guess
[16:21] <thafreak> should probably check the provider's website...they usually apologize for stuff like that happening
[16:22] <thafreak> well, their website is down, so it was probably something bigger
[16:22] <Derath-Srvr> lol call them?
[16:22] <thafreak> I'll check their twitter feed
[16:22] <Derath-Srvr> I'm sure there's a support number
[16:22]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[16:22] <thafreak> They're a parttime outfit
[16:23] <thafreak> not like it's a critical box...it mostly just runs irssi :)
[16:23] <thafreak> never got around to putting anything else on it
[16:23] <Derath-Srvr> Maybe
[16:24] <Derath-Srvr> but I still see it as "renting a server" which had an "unexpected downtime" for "unknown reasons"... blah blah blah
[16:32] <canthus13> prgrm.com? Heh. they're a bare-minimum outfit with prices to match. :)
[16:33] <canthus13> It's 'Bring-Your-Own-Support'. :)
[16:36] <Derath-Srvr> sweet! get to order my new hdd tonight
[16:36] <Derath-Srvr> wonder if I can talk the wife into two, or if the server will have to wait a while longer...
[19:07] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[19:10] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1
[19:11] <dmcglone1> whats up?
[19:12] <dmcglone1> in ubuntu, grabbing the edge of a window to stretch it is challenging
[19:15] <Unit193> It can be...
[19:16] <dmcglone1> whats the trick?
[19:16] <Unit193> Having a laser mouse...
[19:17] <dmcglone1> I got one, that hasn't helped me :-/
[19:28] <Unit193> Then you can move it just a little bit... (The mouse pointer seems wrong too)
[19:32] <dmcglone1> it all seems wrong.. LOL
[19:37] <Derath-Srvr> sigh...
[19:37] <Unit193> Work?
[19:37] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah...
[19:38] <Derath-Srvr> just witnessed an overtaxed server, that I'm installing a database into, to tax it even more...
[19:39] <Unit193> They may fix it when it crashes...
[19:40] <Derath-Srvr> I don't think it'll have enough memory to even crash...
[19:41] <Derath-Srvr> Got plenty of hdd and cpu... probably overkill, but very lacking in mem for this build...
[19:54] <Cheri703> dmcglone: I just click the menu button in the upper left and choose resize...or right click on the task bar-esque thing
[20:12] <jgould> Interesting...  If I wanted that, I'd run Windows
[21:07] <Unit193> I get that too...
[21:08] <thafreak> anyone else have problems with the screensaver/screen lock?
[21:09] <thafreak> My maverick desktop at work, mostly when I'm gone over the weekend, on monday, the screen won't unlock...
[21:09] <thafreak> you see the mouse pointer, but the dialog to enter the unlock password never apears...
[21:10] <thafreak> and now my one home machine with natty did the same thing last night!
[21:34] <canthus13> Cheri703: Less than a day to go... Nervous yet?
[21:35] <canthus13> thafreak: My maverick machine randomly locks my NX session while I'm using it.
[21:36] <Cheri703> EXCITED
[21:37] <Cheri703> I have most of the stuff gathered, once clothes are dry I'll start actually packing
[21:38] <Cheri703> anyone have good luck with recording from a tv tuner card?
[21:38] <canthus13> Heh. Last minute packing, eh? :)
[21:38] <Cheri703> nah, last minute laundry :)
[21:38] <canthus13> Never tried.. I"m gonna try out an Osprey 210 soon, though.. but that's a video capture card, not a tuner card.
[21:39] <Cheri703> I'm the type that I will have my clothes laid out for tomorrow and EVERYTHING packed except myself and my phone so I can just go out the door
[21:39] <canthus13> still.. it's a hauppenpage chipset like most TV tuners.
[21:39] <Cheri703> I can NEVER get sound in ubuntu. I've tried off and on for a few years now...
[21:39] <canthus13> Heh. My wife is the type that makes me 6 horus late for every trip.. even if I built in 12 hours advance time.
[21:39] <Cheri703> in windows it generally works, but I'm trying to copy a vhs tape (yes a commercial one), and it's giving me a "this is protected can't record" which is crap because it's from 1983
[21:39] <Cheri703> or so
[21:46] <canthus13> Odd.
[21:47] <Cheri703> yeah
[21:56]  * canthus13 had issues with a SB Audigy.. it worked for months, then the mic stopped out of the blue, never worked again. :/
[22:02] <canthus13> Cheri703: Think they'll want to clone your hard drive? :)
[22:02] <Cheri703> who?
[22:03] <canthus13> Cheri703: the TSA.
[22:03] <Cheri703> ah...meh if they do, they won't find much that is interesting
[22:04] <canthus13> Hmm.. mebbe not TSA. Customs can do it, though.
[22:04] <canthus13> http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/01/can-tsa-copy-your-laptop-hard-drive-and.html
[22:05] <Cheri703> yeah, I've heard that
[22:16] <TheErk> Hola.
[22:16] <Unit193> Hello TheErk , jacob
[22:16] <TheErk> Howdy Mr. Unit sir.
[22:16] <jacob> heya Unit193
[22:16]  * jacob was knocked offline by a power outage at the datacenter :<
[22:18] <Unit193> http://sadtrombone.com/
[22:18] <TheErk> How is everyone this glorious day?
[22:20] <Unit193> TheErk: Alive. You?
[22:56] <TheErk> I am fan freekintastic
[23:19] <dmcglone1> Y'all probably sick of me saying this but Gnome 3 rocks
[23:20] <Unit193> No more then they hate me with X/Lubuntu :D
[23:20] <dmcglone1> LOL
[23:21] <dmcglone1> I'm sorry but this is the best desktop I've ever run
[23:21] <Unit193> From the 2 screens you sent, it looked real nice!
[23:22] <dmcglone1> looks don't matter to me, functionality is what I look for in a distro
[23:22] <dmcglone1> Usability also
[23:22] <Unit193> (Looks like it's usable...)
[23:22] <dmcglone1> more than I've ever seen a desktop
[23:23] <dmcglone1> it also boots in about 4 seconds
[23:54] <dmcglone1> Hey all, if I sign a contract with 1 company and that company is bought by another company that I don't want to use, am I bound to that contract?