[04:01] <jmg> hey all
[04:01] <jmg> bug #75295 ?
[09:02] <kraut> moin
[11:09] <thedeviantone> I'm trying to install  Ubuntu 6.06 LTS on an AMD650 with a PERC2/SC SCSI Controller and i always get a "Kernel Panic Error" VFS: Could not Mount root device use correct root= boot option
[11:09] <thedeviantone> can anyone helpme with server install
[11:18] <JanC> thedeviantone: this is not a support channel but a kernel developer channel
[11:19] <JanC> you might try #ubuntu
[11:19] <thedeviantone> sorry i just can't find the right help newhere
[11:19] <JanC> or the forums
[11:20] <thedeviantone> k
[11:20] <JanC> you might have to change the grub menu config
[11:21] <shawarma> thedeviantone: You tried #ubuntu-server ?
[11:55] <thedeviantone> shawarma thanks fir the right channel
[11:59] <Mithrandir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam claims the next meeting is May 29th, something which I don't believe in.
[07:24] <tyyy> need help
[07:25] <tyyy> my system is freezing
[11:13] <mjg59> BenC: Why does the git repository keep getting into a state where I can't pull any more/
[11:13] <mjg59> ?
[11:14] <mjg59> I get conflicts with debian/changelog and so on
[11:31] <lamont> what is supposed to be in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-6-itanium/arch/ia64/module.lds??
[11:31] <lamont> ('cause it doesn't exist...)
[11:48] <lamont> sigh.  dear linux-source-2.6.22, Please deliver arch/ia64/module.lds in linux-headers-$version.  kthxbye
[11:49] <lamont> BenC: since I don't have write access to git, could I talk you into doing that with the upload after tribe 1?  That way linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 will build, and debian-installer has a chance
[11:52] <lamont> actually, all we need is the symlink in  linux-headers-2.6.22-6-itanium
[11:54] <lamont> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-itanium/wireless/p80211/wlan/wlan_compat.h:136:3: error: #error "No CPU identified!"
[11:54] <lamont> hrm... and either don't build that one, or I'll have to fix it.
[12:17] <mjg59> BenC: Have you done a git-rebase, or something? The history looks /very/ odd


[13:22] <amarao> Hello everyone. I'm trying (continue to try) to make ConfigDrive working on Debian. It just can't use ConfigDrive, as far as I can see. There is ConfigDrive module, but it is ignored (?). Can someone help me? https://snag.gy/ZcfIvd.jpg
[13:22] <amarao> cloud-init 0.7.7
[13:46] <amarao> Оh, I found what's wrong. 0.7.7 works really badly with ConfigDrive. After I installed 0.7.9 (from Sid, it start to work). Still, rather annoying.
[14:10] <smoser> amarao, i'm  not sure what would be broken, not enough info there to know
[14:10] <smoser> you could potentially file a bug against debian asking them to patch their 0.7.7 version with a fix for you
[14:11] <smoser> i'mn not sure what is wrong, we've definitely used config drive successfully for quite some time
[14:11] <smoser> but if 0.7.9 works, that seems simplist
[14:11] <smoser> rharper, so... bonds are probably never going to work in a container
[14:11] <smoser> at least not unprivilidged
[14:11] <rharper> smoser: we should ask stgaber
[14:11] <smoser> well, they do kernel stuff
[14:11] <smoser> in /sys/
[14:12] <smoser> oh...
[14:12] <rharper> but... namespaces?
[14:12] <smoser> wait we talked about this once. he thought they *should* work, if they were implemented differently
[14:12] <rharper> huh
[14:12] <smoser> that ifupdown path uses /sys/ which is not namespaced
[14:12] <rharper> hrm, I can look at the networkd code
[14:12] <rharper> not that I Want to
[14:12] <smoser>
[14:12] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24215499/
[14:13] <smoser> thats what happens when you try (after you've modprobed 'bonding' on the host)
[14:13] <rharper> but in any case, the rename should avoid the mac duplication
[14:13] <smoser> rharper, i'm not arguing otherwise :)
[14:13] <rharper> ok
[14:13] <smoser> i just wanted to be able to recreate in a container
[14:13] <smoser> i looked at examples/tests/bonding_network.yaml though (curtin) for an example
[14:13] <rharper> yeah; that looks broken;
[14:14] <smoser> shouldnt the bond have address of one of the nics ?
[14:14] <rharper> shame they can't namespace mount /sys
[14:14] <rharper> it will
[14:14] <rharper> when you enslave a device to a bond
[14:14] <rharper> it will pick up one of the slaves' mac address as assign to to bondX
[14:14] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~curtin-dev/curtin/trunk/view/head:/examples/tests/bonding_network.yaml
[14:14] <smoser> but why do we explicitly declare its mac then
[14:14] <rharper> the bond itself does not require an ip or anything
[14:15] <rharper> that's not required but it's OK
[14:15] <smoser> hm.. ok.
[14:15] <rharper> but that's not the issue
[14:15] <rharper> the mac is going to get duplicated when you list nics by mac
[14:15] <rharper> ls /sys/class/net/*/mac_adress
[14:15] <smoser> i know. i understand the issue, i'm not arguing that it is not a bug.
[14:16] <rharper> ok; I'm somewhat confused with the tangents
[14:16] <smoser> they're not tangents. :). i was trying to recreate it.
[14:18] <rharper> in a container yes; it recreates just fine in a VM;  I certainly support fixing/filing bugs against the container
[14:18] <smoser> i was hoping to be able to look around and find a different way to ignore 'bond' devices than "they are virtual"
[14:19] <smoser> as i have other virtuals that id o not wish to ignore.
[14:19] <smoser> do you have an example of how to recreate?
[14:25] <rharper> smoser: lemme pastebin, it's basically launch an image with the attached network-config from the bug and create a VM with the right macaddress;
[14:26] <rharper> I think bond is a special w.r.t mac cloning; I don't think other netdevs assume the mac of an underlying secondary device
[14:28] <smoser> (the other virtuals are 'tap', lxc)
[14:28] <rharper> macvtap, tun, dummy; ppp, etc...
[14:28] <rharper> there are a lot of them
[14:28] <rharper> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.netdev.html
[14:48] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320291
[14:50] <smoser> rharper, sure there are lots of virtual types. but when renaming, i'd rather just specifically ignore bonds than ignore all virtual types (which breaks renaming in lxc as it's nics are virtual).
[14:51] <smoser> anyway, i suggested some changes at that MP, if you want to chat about them we can do that. they're small, and then i think we should get this in
[14:55] <rharper> smoser: replied for the v2;  most are fine; I think I do want to make sure the get_cfg_by_path is sane;
[14:56] <rharper> as I said, without that change, the unittest doesn't pass; I've not used pdb to walk through the get_cfg_by_path to see why it didn't fetch value from 'system_info' but that's what I needed for it to pass unittest
[14:58] <smoser> sure. you can and should. but either yoru change or the '_get_arch_package_mirror_info' is wrong.
[14:58] <smoser> then the unit test is being passed the wrong config is suspect
[15:11] <rharper> smoser: so if we provide a network-config in a localds seed it's on the iso but we don't copy it off AFAICT;
[15:11] <rharper> we should do that
[15:13] <smoser> "the iso"
[15:13] <smoser> meaning NoCloud ?
[15:13] <rharper> yeah
[15:13] <rharper> cloud-localds
[15:13] <smoser> its probably just stored in the object
[15:13] <rharper> I can put in a network-config file in there and pass via iso seed
[15:13] <rharper> yeah
[15:13] <smoser> that gets pickled
[15:14] <rharper> but we write out user-data and other .cfg files
[15:14] <rharper> just something helpful to see
[15:14] <smoser> well, we write out user-data.
[15:14] <rharper> so, I'm looking at the util.get_cfg_by_path and I don't see where it should know to pre-pend 'system_info' in  the distro object ... what am I missing?
[15:15] <smoser> the Distro() object is passed cfg that is just the system_info() portion
[15:15] <smoser> system_info: portion
[15:15] <smoser> so your unit test is probably just wrong in that it passes it the whole thing.
[15:15] <smoser> i suspect
[15:16] <rharper> well, heh not my unittest; I just added some on top of how the others worked
[15:16] <rharper> but I understand what you're saying now
[15:17] <rharper> the unittest it supplying the distro object the whole cfg, not just the system_info portion
[15:17] <rharper> if that's how it works, I can fix up which cfg the unittest passes into the Distro class
[15:19] <smoser> but do you agree that *one* of the two things is wrong.
[15:22] <smoser> rharper, cloudinit/stages.py in Init.distro is where the distro object is created.
[15:22] <smoser> and there it clearly gets the system_config
[15:22] <smoser> well, maybe not clearly :)
[15:30] <rharper> smoser: it works fine if I pass the write system_info key in;
[16:15] <smoser> powersj, around ?
[16:15] <smoser> i have some good news and some baad news
[16:15] <powersj> yes
[16:15] <powersj> :\
[16:15] <smoser> which first ?
[16:15] <powersj> (has enough bad news with the test failures this weekend)
[16:15] <powersj> "baad" news, as you say, first please
[16:16] <smoser> bad news is that something needs improvements in order to avoid failures in cloud-init-integration-[xyz]
[16:16] <smoser> good news is that those are valid failures.
[16:16] <smoser> similar to what we saw with curtin
[16:17] <smoser> you added a test that tested a new feature that was not goign to work with old cloud-init
[16:17] <smoser> and then we ran tests with old cloud-init expecting that new feature to work
[16:17] <powersj> ahhh! ok
[16:17] <smoser> and \o/ surprise!
[16:17] <smoser> it didnt work :)
[16:17] <powersj> ok so I need to update the proposed tests to run from source of proposed
[16:18] <smoser> yeah, i guess we need to do somethinng like that.
[16:18] <powersj> and similar the daily to test the daily
[16:18] <powersj> ok that I can fix :)
[16:18] <powersj> currently looking at curtin CI and why jenkins launchpad plugin is passing the wrong arguments
[16:19] <smoser> what sucks is that twice (curtin and cloud-init) now i've spent a couple hours thinking and debugging
[16:19] <magicalChicken> powersj: the new version of tests can do '--ppa=cloud-init-dev/daily', which may be useful for the daily tests
[16:19] <smoser> why is this breaking! ... when the answer is that fixing it in trunk does not fix all versions everywhere :)
[16:19] <powersj> smoser: right
[16:20] <powersj> magicalChicken: that will work, I just need to make sure the unit tests that are ran are from that ppa as well. Otherwise we get this test mismatch between what code is ran versus what tests are ran.
[16:20] <smoser> magicalChicken, thats cool. but what we (re)found out is that we need to test the integration tests that were in the source of the package.
[16:20] <smoser> or we have to deal with the mix-matched expectations
[16:21] <smoser> and somehow version every test
[16:21] <magicalChicken> oh, right i missed the unit tests bit
[16:21] <smoser> this is the integration test path
[16:21] <smoser> powersj, added a unit test for a new feature that went in
[16:21] <smoser> and then we tested that new integration test with old cloud-init
[16:21] <smoser> and it failed
[16:21] <smoser> :)
[16:21] <smoser> which is expected.
[16:21] <magicalChicken> ok, that makes sense :)
[16:21] <magicalChicken> at least the test works
[16:21] <smoser> ie, we ran trunk integration test and old code
[16:21] <smoser> right
[16:22] <smoser> we found this out with curtin a while ago too
[16:22] <smoser> DUH!
[16:23] <smoser> the solution we came up with for curtin was that we installed the package and then downloaded the source with apt
[16:23] <smoser> so that they were guaranteed to match expectations
[16:23] <magicalChicken> simple but inefficient solution here is to clone the branch we want to test and use tree_run inside that branch, so both cloud-init and integration tests are the version in that branch
[16:24] <magicalChicken> has the disadvantage that a deb is built each time
[16:26] <smoser> magicalChicken, well, we're interested in testing *exactly* what is in -proposed or in the archive provided.
[16:26] <smoser> not something we build, which *might* work out to be the same.
[16:27] <magicalChicken> smoser: fair enough, pulling the deb-src like with curtin should work then
[16:27] <smoser> in curtin it was easier, because we actually install curtin into a container and use it there.
[16:32] <rharper> smoser: when you get a chance, I wanted to discuss how we handle v2 as input; this goes to why I had a .config property on the NetworkState class (it enabled passthrough of v2 in the netplan renderer); I updated a comment in the MR
[16:49] <smoser> ok. http://c.brickies.net/hangout
[16:51] <rharper> k
[17:56] <rangerpb> smoser, paulmey Odd_Bloke larsks Hey would you guys mind peeking at https://code.launchpad.net/~bbaude/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320411 ?
[18:24] <powersj> smoser: I pushed a fix for the proposed tests to avoid mismatches. It is the same as what we do for curtin. As far as the other failures for integration-[x,y,z], those were introduced last Friday see LP: #1674317. I pushed a MP with fix and ran one test locally.
[18:24] <powersj> https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320414
[18:30] <rangerpb> can someone take pity on me and remind how to run the cloud-init test suite locally?
[18:31] <powersj> rangerpb: if you are trying to run what the CI tests run, then you need the 'tox' command
[18:31] <rangerpb> just execute tox ?
[18:31] <powersj> yep it will then go and build the python envs needed to run the checks we have seutp
[18:31] <rangerpb> thanks man
[18:32] <powersj> e.g. python2 and python3 unit tests + flake8 + xenial based tests
[18:32] <powersj> np
[18:35] <rangerpb> powersj, can the tests be run outside the context of tox or is that hopeless?
[18:36] <rangerpb> i have quite a few things to fix apparently
[18:37] <powersj> rangerpb: you can run outside of tox. Tox is nice because all you need is tox and it keeps you from needing to install other things. However, seeing your failures, I would start with just running nose. Familiar with that?
[18:37] <rangerpb> nope
[18:38] <rharper> smoser: I've pushed an update to the v2 net branch; I believe I've fixed up all of the issues you raised
[18:38] <rangerpb> im familiar with running unittests straight up but i think these tests go beyond just that
[18:38] <powersj> rangerpb: essentially nose runs the unit tests and the command would be something like 'python -m nose tests/unittests assuming you have all the requirements
[18:39] <rangerpb> ok
[18:39] <powersj> there are quite a few things to install, so best to do in a VM, LXD, or virtualenv
[18:43] <powersj> rangerpb: also looking at your failures, TestAzureBounce is trying to read from /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/OEM0, but that is not always going to be on a system. So you would want to mock that or some how deal with it.
[18:44] <rangerpb> yeah, i did some refactoring there that is biting me in the ass
[18:50] <rangerpb> powersj, is there a way with tox to be more specific about what to test ?
[18:53] <powersj> rangerpb: yes you can specify an env. by running 'tox -e <env>' like 'tox -e py27' to run only the python2 tests. Then if you want to go further and only specify a certain test, you can do that by passing more arguments like 'tox -e py27 -- tests/unittests/test_sshutil.py' to run only the tests in test_sshutil.py
[18:53] <rangerpb> think i got it
[18:54] <rangerpb> and done to class and method it looks like
[18:54] <powersj> yes!
[19:09] <smoser> rharper,
[19:09] <smoser> 2017-03-20 19:08:56,496 - network_state.py[WARNING]: NetworkState Version2: missing macaddress
[19:10] <smoser> that is expected path in lxc
[19:10] <rharper> right, if you don't have a macaddr and no other match criteria it leaves a warning
[19:10] <smoser> so i dont want the warning.
[19:10] <smoser> as its expected path.
[19:10] <rharper> well
[19:10] <rharper> no
[19:10] <rharper> but I understand;  LXD knows the mac
[19:10] <rharper> no reason to put it in the config it generates
[19:11] <rharper> I find with dropping the warning; but oracles should emit everything they know
[19:11] <smoser> well, it certainly *could*, but it does not. so this would make a WARN statement in /vr/log/cloud-init.log in all containers
[19:12] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: That doesn't set the hostname back, right?
[19:12] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, that == ?
[19:12] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: Your MP.
[19:13] <smoser> i understand your position, but since its expected case... we can't generate warnings when its operating as expected.
[19:13] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, no it doesn't... are you talking about the context method I removed?
[19:14] <rharper> smoser: ack
[19:14] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: Yeah; I believe we set it back previously because cloud-init's hostname handling gets confused later on if we don't.
[19:14] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, in talking with paulmey, he said it isn't needed.
[19:14] <rangerpb> i suppose there is some weird use case?
[19:14] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: If it isn't needed, why are we setting the hostname at all?
[19:15] <rangerpb> azure needs it
[19:15] <Odd_Bloke> That should be left for cc_set_hostname to do later in the cloud-init run.
[19:15] <rangerpb> azure needs it when the nic is bounced
[19:15] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: OK, so I'm confused about what paulmey said wasn't needed.
[19:15] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[19:15] <rangerpb> azure needs it when the nic is bounced so the dns can get set up correctly
[19:15] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, that make sense?
[19:17] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: Right, so paulmey said that we didn't need to set the hostname _back_?
[19:17] <smoser> rharper, testing http://paste.ubuntu.com/24216898/
[19:17] <Odd_Bloke> In Azure terms, he's (presumably ;) correct.  In cloud-init terms, however, ISTR that cc_set_hostname has some behaviour that is affected.
[19:17] <Odd_Bloke> Give me a minute to see if I can remind myself of what it was.
[19:18] <rharper> smoser: ok
[19:18] <smoser> 2017-03-20 19:17:57,467 - network_state.py[DEBUG]: NetworkState Version2: missing "macaddress" info in config entry: eth0: {'dhcp4': True, 'dhcp6': True}
[19:18] <rharper> smoser: I think it's fine to pull it out entirely;  one could submit the same v2 config to a VM
[19:18] <smoser> hm..
[19:18] <rharper> smoser: paste me your netconfig and I'll fix
[19:18] <smoser> ok then.
[19:19] <smoser> lets just drop it to a debug
[19:19] <smoser> rharper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24216919/
[19:20] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, He didn't ... but ill follow up with him for sure
[19:20] <smoser> created with http://paste.ubuntu.com/24216920/
[19:20] <smoser> actually, created with http://paste.ubuntu.com/24216923/
[19:20] <rharper> I think we can relax the macaddr in the parse
[19:20] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: OK, so when you said "in talking with paulmey, he said it isn't needed", what specifically were you referring to?
[19:20] <rharper> I did on the rendering side
[19:21] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, that context method
[19:22] <Odd_Bloke> OK, I see.
[19:22] <smoser> rharper, and those errors on your mp by the c-ii are valid
[19:22] <smoser> i didnt' seem them , but no 'indent' on py27
[19:22] <rharper> I don't know what the c-ii is
[19:22] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: So the problem with setting the hostname and not setting it back is that cc_update_hostname (which is distinct from cc_set_hostname) has some logic that compares the previous hostname cloud-init detected to the desired one and behaves accordingly.
[19:24] <rangerpb> and how is the desired one determined ?
[19:24] <Odd_Bloke> So in the case that "update_hostname: B" is given, but Azure wants "A", I think the following can happen: (1) Azure DS will set hostname to "A", (2) cc_update_hostname will set hostname to "B", (3) user reboots, (4) Azure DS sets hostname to "A", (5) cc_update_hostname compares previous-hostname and cloud-config, and determines no hostname change is needed.
[19:24] <Odd_Bloke> Leaving the instance with hostname "A" instead of "B".
[19:25] <Odd_Bloke> I _think_ that's the failure case.
[19:25] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, so ... you would prefer the use of the context method yes?
[19:26] <rangerpb> i need to work thsi out because its right where the test cases are failing and I dont want to do this twice
[19:26] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: Well, I'm pretty sure we need to set the hostname back somehow.  I'd done that with the context manager, but I'm not fussy.
[19:27] <rangerpb> yep ok
[19:27] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, ok, let me see if I can work that back around
[19:28] <rangerpb> though I do feel a little bit like I am stuck between Mom and Dad here
[19:28] <rangerpb> would nice to nuke the agent path in DataSourceAzure to simplify things
[19:29] <smoser> rharper, c-i bot
[19:29] <smoser>  https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/319259
[19:29] <smoser> err.. https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/320291
[19:29] <rharper> smoser: looks like I need a py2 or 3 wrapper for using indent from textwrap
[19:29] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: :( Sorry.
[19:29] <rharper> I ran into it a while ago, need to look up the wrapper
[19:30] <smoser> rharper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24216970/
[19:31] <rharper> smoser: k
[19:31] <rharper> do you want me to pull and push?
[19:32] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, what is the purpose of this conditional? -> https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init/tree/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceAzure.py#n123
[19:34] <rangerpb> Odd_Bloke, and also why is line 124 in that important? shouldnt this always be run ?
[19:35] <rharper> smoser: ok, dropped the warning, and picked up your diff; commited and pushed back up
[19:35] <rharper> bbiab (picking up kiddos)
[19:36] <smoser> rharper, i can do it here.
[19:36] <smoser> ok
[19:39] <Odd_Bloke> rangerpb: I believe that allows people to modify whether or not they want this behaviour.
[19:40] <Odd_Bloke> I don't really recall why, I'm afraid.
[19:42] <smoser> i think Odd_Bloke is probably right above.
[19:42] <smoser> wrt the case that the temporary hostname is protectign against.
[19:43] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/319259 rharper, wrt your comment there, you could have used the same merge proposal.  just push over the top of the one (--force) and launchpad will figure it out.
[19:55] <rharper> smoser: it pushed fine (without force) I did push to the same MP
[19:55] <rharper> at least I think I did
[20:00] <smoser> you pointed to another one
[20:00] <smoser> "I lacked the git-fu to force a proper rebase against itself, so I've pushed a new branch for review:"
[20:09] <rharper> oh, sorry
[20:10] <rharper> I don't think I repointed to the old one; but hopefully you'll  find the new commits in my rebase-netconfig-v2-passthrough branch
[20:18] <rharper> smoser: I think I understand; you're saying I could have forced pushed my rebase branch onto the previous MR;  and yes --force would have done that;  I sort of have an irrational fear of --force and so I worked around it by starting afresh and then abandon the other;  I think it does mean split discussions (which may be one of your concerns)
[20:19] <smoser> i dont really are... i was just letting you know.  as even a rebase would have required --force
[20:20] <smoser> rharper, anyway. for right now  i merged your branch.
[20:20] <smoser> i'm running an integration test on  a few modules and then going to upload to ubuntu.
[20:20] <rharper> ok
[20:21] <rharper> so on the rebase; I've found that if I pull from remote (and basically re do the rebase a second time) and then push; it goes in, but I find that I need to do the rebase effectively twice annoying;  I suppose I should just use --force there
[20:22] <rharper> or figure out why I can't fast-forward the remote (merge trunk in)
[20:30] <smoser> powersj, https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-integration-x/123/display/redirect
[20:31] <smoser> that is curious.
[20:31] <paulmey> Odd_Bloke, rangerpb, sorry I wasn't here earlier...
[20:31] <smoser> what is cloud-init-integration-x ?
[20:31] <smoser> is that daily ppa installed into x ?
[20:32] <paulmey> I didn't know about the cc modules later on needing the original 'localhost' hostname
[20:34] <paulmey> I was told that the context method was necessary for waagent, which didn't seem to be true
[20:35] <paulmey> but I guess it's necessary to do the network bounce at that time in the cloud-init workflow
[20:36] <rangerpb> paulmey, i think i have another patch set up ... just booting the image on azure as we speak
[20:36] <rangerpb> if it works, ill update you and highlight you
[20:36] <paulmey> good, thanks
[20:38] <powersj> smoser: that is run by checking out master, building, and running the integration tests. Those errors are fixed from my merge you pulled shortly ago.
[20:39] <powersj> long story short, master was broken and our integration tests found it. Ideally our tox tests would have caught it, but flake8 is too lax. pylint would have caught it though.
[20:42] <magicalChicken> the tests found a bug \o/
[20:42] <magicalChicken> i think that's the first one
[20:42] <powersj> we got one last week too I believe :)
[20:42] <magicalChicken> nice
[20:46] <smoser> powersj, yeah... iwas confused for a bit. i was thinking it was just testing xenial or xenial-proposed
[20:46] <smoser> which should not have shown the error.
[20:46] <powersj> ok, we do have a xenial-proposed test cloud-init-integration-proposed-x
[20:53] <smoser> rharper, you there ?
[20:53] <rharper> here
[20:53] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1669860
[20:53] <smoser> the bond rename thing... you have the same nic there miultiple times in the config
[20:54] <rharper> oversite
[20:54] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24217410/
[20:54] <smoser> ok.
[20:54] <rharper> wait
[20:55] <rangerpb> how do I get the ci tests to run again ?
[20:55] <smoser> tox -e citest -- run -v -n zesty --deb=cloud-init_all.deb
[20:55] <smoser> thats the easiest thing.
[20:55] <rharper> smoser: sorry, I'll upload a fix, the upper values should have been gone
[20:55] <powersj> rangerpb: are you trying to run integration tests or just the simple unit tests?
[20:56] <smoser> right ok.
[20:56] <rangerpb> integration, the unit tests finish now and I updated my PR
[20:56] <powersj> rangerpb: awesome! then trying the command smoser printed to run the integration tests might be good too
[20:56] <rangerpb> thats just local though right ?
[20:56] <powersj> the cloud-init_all.deb is produced if you build your working tree
[20:58] <rharper> smoser: it appears that you could read the list of devices out if /sys/class/net/bonding_masters
[20:58] <rharper> will need to create a second or third bond to see what that looks like with multiple, but that could provide a filter
[20:58] <smoser> rharper, i was justlooking and thinking maybe just ignore it if /sys/class/net/<devname>/bonding
[20:59] <smoser> if that existed
[20:59] <rharper> well, the bond0.108 vlan also has the mac of the bond,
[20:59] <rharper> so that's a vlan, but it's mac is duplicate because of bond
[20:59] <rharper> it get's a bit stacked
[20:59] <rharper> and we can have a bridge over a bonded vlan
[20:59] <rharper> or vlan'ed bond
[20:59] <rharper> which was sort of why I was saying no-virt
[21:00] <rharper> but I know the lxc case exists
[21:02] <smoser> maybe its simpler.
[21:02] <smoser> apply_network_config_names() already filters on 'physical'
[21:02] <smoser> so we do have a bit of that information present.
[21:02] <smoser> but i guess it doesnt have the macs. hm.
[21:04] <smoser> nah. i dont think that helps
[21:05] <rharper> that's on *config*
[21:05] <rharper> input
[21:07] <rharper> my point was that when we "get_current_state"; the non-virt filter really does the right thing (except for LXC) which certainly could handle renames outside of cloud-init; frustrating ...
[21:15] <smoser> i got to run, i think the right hting to do is to just skip the bonds when collecting info for bymac in this case.
[21:15] <smoser> i wonder if it will even work though
[21:15] <smoser> i wonder if you can rename a part of a bond
[21:15] <smoser> seems unlikely
[21:17] <smoser> yeah, you cant.
[21:17] <smoser> but the goal i guess is nto that, but rather to not attempt the rename.
[21:25] <rharper> yeah
[21:26] <rharper> I'll be running trunk cloud-init through curtin vmtests setup to do networkd/netplan testing
[21:26] <rharper> will update here if I find anything
[21:26] <rharper> thanks for helping push this through


[04:03] <shantorn> would some one familiar with hybrid intel-nvidia graphics please help me, bumblebee channel is dead and has been for 2 hours now, thanks


[20:33] <internalkernel> akgraner: hey, didn't forget about you... I'll handle the In The Press section tomorrow morning - does that work?


[20:18] <wolter> Hi, I'm having problems merging two different branches; From the branch I'm working on I run bzr merge lp:otherbranch, but I get as output "Nothing to do."


[14:55] <balloons> wxl, ping
[14:59] <knome> balloons, did you get my PM the other day?
[15:01] <balloons> knome, no i didn't
[15:45] <wxl> balloons: whattup?
[15:49] <balloons> hey wxl just wanted to make sure you saw the response from CI about ubiquity testing
[15:49] <balloons> and I wanted to let you know that we're pursing a way for us a community to self-host and run the tests as Evan suggested
[15:49] <wxl> balloons: haven't had a chance to really read many of my emails, but i saw it came in and there's some sort of explanation ;)
[15:49] <wxl> but thanks for the synopsis. sounds good :)
[17:30] <dkessel> balloons: sounds good! Xubuntu needs this too. But I think you guys already know this ;)
[17:31] <knome> yap.
[17:43] <balloons> dkessel, indeed
[17:48] <knome> is there any flavor that *doesn't* need it?
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, hey
[19:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi, I found what the issue is with docviewer app, it's slow when I stat Ubuntu with systemd if I start it with Upstart the tests run fine
[19:31] <balloons> wow, now that IS interesting
[19:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, were you using Wily with Upstart?
[19:31] <Letozaf_> :)
[19:31] <balloons> I'm using the default; which still uses upstart for user sessions I think
[19:31] <balloons> I believe that will change his cycle
[19:34] <balloons> but veebers should be around soon, I'll say he'd love to hear about it, lol
[19:34] <Letozaf_> lol
[19:34] <balloons> glad you found the actual root cause
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah I had just downloaded the ISO and before installing Ubuntu I gave Upstart a try :D


[19:02] <dobey> hi all
[19:03] <dobey> if i am using bzrlib as a library in another python process, and i have a Branch and/or a WorkingTree object opened, is there a way i can export the branch with uncommitted changes, via the API?
[19:28] <lifeless> dobey: I presume you mean the tree?
[19:28] <lifeless> dobey: and yes, totally
[19:36] <dobey> yes
[19:37] <dobey> yeah, i found the bzrlib.export.export function used by cmd_export. am having some trouble with the test suite now though :(
[19:41] <dobey> ah, i think i got that fixed now, by adding a dep on mock
[19:55] <dobey> thanks anyway :)
[20:05] <tuxiano> Hi, I need help to access a bazaar server in a local network with bazaar explorer. My problem is, that I dont know how to type correctly the url. I tried: http://IP/repository/user and brz://IP/repository/user, but there is always an error message.
[20:08] <tuxiano> it says: Unable to change to /home/user/bzr:/IP/home/bzruser/repository - closing page.


[06:59] <lubuntu> ian__
 I dont think this helps, when i plug in headphones, speakers become inactive there... (re @Halis: Does this help you? (İ did not test)
 https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/2/2.5/2.5.2/pulseaudio_volume_control.html)
 Oh, İ did not know. But can not you active them there again?
 @tbs


[03:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:56] <daftykins> hey there!
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-stupendously-hot-charmander-concept-looks-amazing-489645.shtml
[04:01] <daftykins> i'm not sure i wanna stroll around saying stupendously hot charmander
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> a renewed dash would hurt in ubuntu
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> wouldnt
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> i like the idea of neat things
[05:25] <JanC> lotuspsychje_: oh, so the person who has been spamming all Ubuntu channels recently got a soap box on Softpedia now?
[05:34] <lotuspsychje_> JanC: soap box?
[06:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:26] <lotuspsychje_> morning lordievader
[06:28] <lordievader> o/
[08:16] <ObrienDave> lordievader, he's just being overly cautious LOL
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> !info radiotray
[13:34] <OerHeks> before i get kicked :-D
[13:34] <OerHeks> yeah, it sounds really time on ecrypt the whole thing, how about the bootloader ..
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> i read alot of spyware in w10
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> im surely not gonan touch it
[13:36] <OerHeks> i'd like a tool to change amazon to bol.com or mediamarkt. and such
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:37] <OerHeks> i had this idea some time ago, now i am going to make this a startup project. nl first, then roll out over europe.
[13:37] <OerHeks> and
[13:37] <OerHeks> you will sell your data, anonomously, so both benefit.
[13:38] <OerHeks> or openly, and earn more :-p
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> sounds like a plan
[13:39] <OerHeks> tv-stations, clothing shops, hardwaretools, computer, gsm, travel...
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> so its a domain changing tool.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> Armadillos: and welcome to you
[13:41] <OerHeks> hmm not sure how to describe that amazon tool
[13:42] <Armadillos> Thanks!
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> Armadillos: first time i see you here
[13:48] <Armadillos> Yeah, I didn't know this chat room existed.  Figured I'd come in and see what it's all about. :)
[17:50] <daftykins> hi team o/
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/wine-1-7-50-brings-experimental-directx-11-support-489762.shtml
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> !info wine
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> wb
[18:13] <daftykins> ^_^ ty
[18:13] <daftykins> wee reboot of my VM for the -62 kernel on trusty and a host reboot too
[18:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/hacking-simulator-hacknet-released-eventually-coming-to-linux.5803
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:28] <daftykins> i feel like we're doing JodaZ's homework
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> ive read about that germany installed mass ubuntu network before
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> maybe its because they need win progs to run properly on it
[18:30] <daftykins> might just be this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
[18:30] <daftykins> :)
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> roflol
[18:42]  * daftykins facepalms
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> n00bnight :p
[18:42] <daftykins> "The weekend has landed"
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> haha
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> will another question come or not
[18:44] <daftykins> what a retard.
[18:49] <daftykins> wileee: is this mcerb a regular troublemaker?
[18:49] <daftykins> you mentioned an obsession with the channel? :)
[18:50] <OerHeks> ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:00] <wileee> daftykins, Not sure, they went straight to ignore here, they have all the troll accouterments. ;)
[19:00] <wileee> they would not get the message, seemed attached to something, channel was one
[19:01] <daftykins> ah :D
[19:01] <wileee> I think they are lonely actually
[19:01] <OerHeks> Are you lonely? good :-D ... or are you alone?
[19:02] <wileee> no and yes here
[19:19] <daftykins> i can see spacebug's tinfoil hat from here


[21:09] <DelphiWorld> salam:)
[21:09]  * DelphiWorld slaps neo31__ around a bit with a large trout
[21:09] <DelphiWorld> salut Tux-Tn
[21:09] <DelphiWorld> http://live.vobradio.org:8000/live.m3u
[22:33] <DelphiWorld> good night;)


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[05:40] <mappps> Hello
[05:40] <mappps> My names mappps i would like to be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic
[05:40] <mappps> it makes me sad being banned;/
 one my customer have this (weird) os and he's reporting,.....
[14:52] <k1l> last time it was "his friend" and after that he made a lot of drama even on the mailinglist
[14:52] <genii> Hm
[16:32] <genii> @comment 67335 Connectivity issue, forwarded to ##fix_your_connection
[17:21] <mappps> Hello
[17:21] <mappps> My names mappps i would like to be unbanned from ubuntu-offtopic
[17:21] <IdleOne> why were you banned?
[17:24] <mappps> phunyguy got annoyed
[17:24] <IdleOne> yeah blaming others for your actions is not going to get you unbanned. Want to try again?
[17:25] <IdleOne> and it wasn't phunyguy who banned you anyway
[17:25] <phunyguy> I was just going to say....    We can't have that in Ubuntu channels. I will remove the ban this time but if this happens again I can assure you that the ban will last a lot longer.
[17:34] <IdleOne> mappps: Do you understand?
[17:34] <mappps> yes
[17:34] <mappps> dont come on irc when ive been out
[17:35] <IdleOne> ban is removed, rejoin -offtopic and part this channel. Thank you for flying AirOne.
[17:35] <mappps> k
[17:36] <IdleOne> @comment #ubuntu-ops mappps warned about his drunken irc'ing and that we will not tolerate his silliness.
[17:37] <IdleOne> @comment #ubuntu-ooftopic mappps warned about his drunken irc'ing and that we will not tolerate his silliness.
[17:37] <IdleOne> @comment #ubuntu-offtopic mappps warned about his drunken irc'ing and that we will not tolerate his silliness.
[17:37] <IdleOne> lol -ooftopic
[17:37] <Pici> oof
[18:00] <genii> Now I want an #ubuntu-ooftopic


[12:27] <hyper_ch> Jester46: you may want to check out MC Solaar
[12:28] <TheSheep> sulle: where? :P
[12:29] <xprimarysuspectx> alright thesheep. just edited my menu.lst file to hd0, 4 as per your instructions. but it says invalid device selected, so that leads me to believe hd0, 4 is the incorrect device?
[12:30] <xprimarysuspectx> !ask
[12:30] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:30] <xprimarysuspectx> lol
[12:30] <TheSheep> weird
[12:31] <xprimarysuspectx> i thought so. hda5 should be hd0, 4..unless im a retard and i put hdo..hmm
[12:31] <xprimarysuspectx> let me check lol
[12:31] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: can you pastebin the result of 'sudo fdisk -l' ?
[12:31] <xprimarysuspectx> sure
[12:32] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: also make sure you didn't remove parens or insert spaces anywhere between the parens
[12:32] <xprimarysuspectx> http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=237
[12:32] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: it should be exactly (hd0,4)
[12:33] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: um... since when can windows boot from an extended partition?
[12:33] <xprimarysuspectx> it works fine fo' me
[12:34] <xprimarysuspectx> i have two physical drives, and a few partitions
[12:34] <TheSheep> I always had to put winows on one of the primary partitions to make it work
[12:34] <xprimarysuspectx> that should be a primary partition if i remember correctly
[12:35] <xprimarysuspectx> title         Windows
[12:35] <xprimarysuspectx> root          (hd0,4)
[12:35] <xprimarysuspectx> makeactive
[12:35] <xprimarysuspectx> chainloader   +1
[12:35] <TheSheep> hda5 is not a primary partition
[12:35] <xprimarysuspectx> er probabyl should have pastbinned that
[12:35] <jexd> does xubuntu have a preinstalled .pdf reader or do i need to install one?
[12:35] <TheSheep> jexd: it has one, evince, it's in menu as 'document viewer'
[12:36] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: are you sure that's the "system" partition of your windows?
[12:36] <jexd> TheSheep, thank you :)
[12:37] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: maybe try (hd1,0) or something?
[12:37] <xprimarysuspectx> yeah. media/hda5 is where windows is installed
[12:37] <xprimarysuspectx> rather, dev/hda5
[12:38] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: you didn't move it or anything when installing linux?
[12:38] <xprimarysuspectx> no. not that im aware of
[12:38] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: it would ask for confirmation at least 3 times ;)
[12:39] <xprimarysuspectx> i just set the already established ext3 partition i had to root, made a swap partition out of another established partition, and installed it
[12:39] <xprimarysuspectx> neither partition had windows on it
[12:39] <xprimarysuspectx> yeah, it probably does try to avoid that mistake im sure lol
[12:39] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: ok, I think there is a trick to boot windows from a non-primary partition
[12:40] <xprimarysuspectx> so change it hd1, 0 and see if that work?
[12:40] <xprimarysuspectx> ...works
[12:40] <xprimarysuspectx> hd1, would be the second physical disk, and the first partition though would it...
[12:40] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: http://jarpack.net/grub-with-linux-primary-and-windows-secondary
[12:42] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: ah, you just need 'rootnoverify' instead of ;root'
[12:42] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: it seems
[12:42] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: to prevent grub from displaying that error message
[12:42] <TheSheep> ignore the map commands
[12:42] <xprimarysuspectx> so leave hd0, 4 but change root to rootverify
[12:43] <xprimarysuspectx> leave makeactive, and chainloader +1 as well
[12:43] <TheSheep> http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/InstallIboot2#HOtherOperatingSystems
[12:43] <TheSheep> here is another one
[12:44] <xprimarysuspectx> alright then. so, sorry to drag this out. rootverify (hd0,4) makeactive chainloader +1
[12:44] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: yes
[12:44] <TheSheep> rootnoverify
[12:44] <TheSheep> sorry
[12:44] <xprimarysuspectx> ah. yeah i just noticed that lol. np
[12:45] <xprimarysuspectx> ill give it a shot. thanks
[12:45] <TheSheep> good luck and good night
[12:45] <xprimarysuspectx> thanks again
[12:52] <Jester46> hey could someone run ping salem.dyndns.org in a ttyl for me and leave it on, it because of this http://embeddedether.net/mhc.html#
[12:53] <Jester46> i want to see it flip to 000000
[12:53] <Jester46> only 980k pings left
[12:54] <BFTD> ?
[12:54] <BFTD> how fast is it pinging?
[01:13] <atarinox> hi...does somebody know why my wireless card is suddenly not  recognized, after trying to enable roaming? I've tried  uninstalling/reinstalling my driver in ndiswrapper, but it's  still not showing up.
[01:20] <xprimarysuspectx> ..grub loader problem still :(
[01:21] <xprimarysuspectx> ive tried specifying rootnoverify (hd0,4)
[01:21] <xprimarysuspectx> ive tried map (hd0, 4) (hd0,0) map (hd0,0) (hd0,4) as well. all to no avail.
[01:22] <xprimarysuspectx> i have windows xp pro, installed on hda5
[01:22] <xprimarysuspectx> GRUB
[01:22] <xprimarysuspectx> it hates me
[01:22] <xprimarysuspectx> :(
[01:22] <xprimarysuspectx> anyone?
[01:25] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: no more ideas :(
[01:25] <xprimarysuspectx> lol
[01:25] <xprimarysuspectx> me neither.
[01:25] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: try google
[01:25] <xprimarysuspectx> i know that is the correct partition. i can see it inside of linux, and i can look through the windows folder
[01:25] <xprimarysuspectx> lol
[01:26] <TheSheep> xprimarysuspectx: well, windows can only boot using the code it puts into MBR
[01:26] <xprimarysuspectx> i know, maybe mbr got effed is what im thinking
[01:26] <xprimarysuspectx> i can rewrite it..to my own avail i suppose
[01:31] <BFTD> I'm connected to a Fiber Optic rack server, how do i access it?
[01:31] <Jester46> ??
[01:31] <neozen> nice rig mate
[01:31] <Jester46> it has fiber optic internet?
[01:32] <BFTD> not internet
[01:32] <BFTD> just ethernet
[01:32] <Jester46> what internet does it have
[01:32] <BFTD> it doesn't
[01:33] <Jester46> well thts not good
[01:33] <BFTD> brb
[01:34] <Jester46> im at 189k pings
[01:35] <Jester46> so 921k pings left
[01:44] <BFTD> I had to turn it off after i found out it was using up 2000 watts
[02:09] <Sulle> gnite all =)
[02:41] <stev1> hello
[02:42] <stev1> i'm having a problem with my fglrx
[02:42] <stev1> anyone in here that can help me?
[02:42] <stev1> fglrxinfo = video card driver
[02:43] <stev1> tried every forum
[02:43] <stev1> but nothing works
[03:21] <Jester46> rovclock is AMAZING
[03:21] <Jester46> i like messing with the clock rate, and yes i know its not good
[03:22] <Jester46> but lowing it to 120 to keep the machine cool is great plus if i need a little juice i can add just a bit mroe
[03:28] <KiviOS> Hello all
[03:44] <Jester46> hi KiviOS
[03:44] <KiviOS>  hi!!!
[03:44] <KiviOS> How r u?
[03:44] <Jester46> good
[03:45] <KiviOS> I want to get minimal system requirments for K/X/U-buntu
[03:45] <Jester46> !requirments
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirments - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <KiviOS> I want to get minimal system requierments for K/X/U-buntu
[03:45] <Jester46> X is the least
[03:46] <KiviOS> !requirements
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <KiviOS> !requirements
[03:47] <s|k> how do I take a screenshot in xubuntu?
[03:47] <s|k> print screen button doesn't do it
[03:47] <Jester46> !screenshot
[03:47] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[03:47] <s|k> er
[03:47] <s|k> why doesn't my print screen button work
[03:47] <Jester46> becuase its mapped wrong
[03:47] <s|k> what should it be mapped to
[03:48] <Jester46> KiviOS: xubuntu needs 64mb ram to run
[03:48] <KiviOS> Jester46>  and CPUs frequency?
[03:48] <s|k> Jester46: what should it be mapped to?
[03:49] <pokieo> hello let's say I download a piece of 3rd party software. there is an install-sh file, configure files etc
[03:49] <Jester46> idk i would say 200mhz
[03:49] <pokieo> how would I install it?
[03:49] <pokieo> I try and add it to the packages and it says it's invalid
[03:50] <Jester46> s|k: its probly not mapped at all i normaly use it as F## and have a shortcut that runs a snapshot program
[03:50] <KiviOS> and u dont know about Ubuntu?
[03:50] <RememberPOL> woot i like small 40v39's :)
[03:51] <s|k> Jester46: what program?
[03:52] <pokieo> discomatic
[03:52] <s|k> I can't fucking believe something as simple as screenshot doesn't work
[03:52] <s|k> it used to work
[03:52] <s|k> then I installed fluxbox
[03:52] <s|k> and now it doesn't
[03:52] <s|k> fuck itg
[03:53] <s|k> I'm not doing gaim acquire
[03:53] <Jester46> KiviOS: i would say 100 for ubuntu and kubuntu but kubuntu would need a better processor
[03:54] <KiviOS> Yep
[03:54] <KiviOS> I have 733Mhz and 256Mb
[03:54] <KiviOS> Is it enough?
[03:54] <Jester46> yea
[03:55] <Jester46> for all 3
[03:55] <Jester46> i would suggest ubuntu or xubuntu
[03:55] <KiviOS> On the second computer I have 2.80 Ghz and 512Mb and and nVIdia 64 Mb
[03:55] <KiviOS> 2nd is also good?
[03:55] <Jester46> if you plan on heavy usage i would suggest xubuntu
[03:55] <Jester46> well... is faster than the first so... yes
[03:56] <KiviOS> But Ubuntu 7.04 will run on the 1st?
[03:56] <Jester46> yes
[03:56] <KiviOS> And what is 3d mode in Ubuntu?
[03:57] <Jester46> xubuntu will be faster but ubuntu will run pretty good
[03:57] <Merchelo> hey guys did you see http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39291  ?
[03:57] <Jester46> KiviOS: you mean the desktop effects right?
[03:57] <KiviOS> righg
[03:57] <Jester46> that all depends on your video card
[03:57] <KiviOS> t
[03:58] <KiviOS> But XP uses 2d is not it?
[03:58] <Jester46> yes xp uses 2d unless your in a game
[03:59] <KiviOS> ok
[03:59] <KiviOS> I will not use games in Ubuntu
[03:59] <KiviOS> ))
[04:00] <Jester46> well what card do you have
[04:00] <Jester46> it might supportit
[04:00] <KiviOS> 2d mode is enough for applications that r not games or 3d design...etc
[04:00] <Jester46> xp will support any video card that support 3d but linux is diffrent, most highend dont work and some realy strange lowend one
[04:00] <Jester46> s
[04:01] <KiviOS> mm
[04:01] <KiviOS> I have Intel 82810 on the first
[04:01] <KiviOS> And GeForceMMX440 64Mb on the second
[04:31] <ToHellWithGA> yall know how to disable tap to click on a laptop in xfce?
[04:35] <s|k> ok
[04:35] <s|k> I'm using screenshot tool
[04:35] <s|k> that comes with the panel
[04:35] <s|k> that works
[04:35] <s|k> yay
[04:35] <s|k> no idea how to take a screenshot of the application menu though
[04:36] <Jester45> theres no entry for it
[04:36] <Jester45> o
[04:36] <Jester45> im
[04:36] <Jester45> um
[04:37] <Jester45> right click it and select properties and then change delay
[04:37] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: how about disabling tap-to-click on a touchpad?
[04:37] <honkytonkwillie> Lotta trouble with 7.04
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> honkytonkwillie: that's your own fault :p
[04:38] <honkytonkwillie> every time I try and use terminal the system crashes
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> i have xubuntu 7.04 running on a pentium II 300MHz with 192M RAM and 4G storage
[04:38] <honkytonkwillie> any ideas why?
[04:38] <Jester45> use alt+ctrl+F1
[04:38] <ToHellWithGA> you should use an older computer
[04:38] <s|k> Jester45: thanks
[04:39] <Jester45> ToHellWithGA: i have no idea
[04:39] <honkytonkwillie> I just upgraded from a PII 333MHZ to a 1GHz
[04:39] <ToHellWithGA> honkytonkwillie: showoff :p
[04:39] <Jester45> i still win
[04:40] <honkytonkwillie> :)
[04:40] <honkytonkwillie> didn't really want a smiley...
[04:40] <honkytonkwillie> So why does Terminal crash my system?
[04:40] <honkytonkwillie> Anyone?
[04:40] <Jester45> isk
[04:40] <Jester45> idk
[04:41] <honkytonkwillie> I've reinstalled Xubuntu 3x now from the Live CD.
[04:41] <honkytonkwillie> Is there another Terminal program?
[04:42] <Jester45> yea, alt+ctrl+F1
[04:42] <honkytonkwillie> Okay, I'll give that a shot.
[04:42] <honkytonkwillie> Be back in a while.
[04:42] <Jester45> or alt+F2 and run xterm
[04:42] <ToHellWithGA> honkytonkwillie: i actually prefer another terminal
[04:42] <ToHellWithGA> the gnome-terminal has hotkeys for making the font bigger and smaller
[04:43] <ToHellWithGA> it's probably not the best one available, but that's a feature i dig for when my eyes get tired
[04:43] <Jester45> i use 8 font all the time but im young to most
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> 8 font?
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> i'm on 16 :/
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> up to 24 when i'm tired
[04:44] <ToHellWithGA> but i have a 17" monitor that i sit at least 5 feet away from since it's on top of a dresser rather than on a desk
[04:45] <illu45> ah
[04:45] <illu45> I use 8-10 usually, but my monitor is about 2 feet away
[04:45] <Jester45> i got dual 21"
[04:45] <illu45> I don't mind xterm, though. The black-on-white reads well
[04:46] <illu45> er
[04:46] <illu45> white-on-black*
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: why do you use xfce if you have a beastly computer?
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> do you just prefer the interface?
[04:46] <Jester45> i like xfce
[04:46] <Jester45> yes
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> s/interface/styling/
[04:46] <Jester45> i run xubuntu on 6 computers
[04:46] <ToHellWithGA> my computer isn't awesomely new, but i like xfce for the quick startup
[04:46] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, how do the slashes work, anyhow?
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> gnome takes a little longer between the x server starting and it being usable
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> illu45: it's a regular expression
[04:47] <Jester45> s meaning spelling error /oldword/newword
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> s/X/Y/ switches the first encountered instance of X for Y
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> s/X/Y/g switches all X for Y
[04:47] <honkytonkwillie> Weird.  Ctrl-Alt-F1 brought me to a terminal screen,
[04:47] <ToHellWithGA> it's syntax used in a lot of programming languages
[04:47] <honkytonkwillie> but it didn't seem to recognize many commands.
[04:47] <Jester45> honkytonkwillie: its supposed to do that
[04:48] <ToHellWithGA> if you google "regular expression" you should see some explanation
[04:48] <Jester45> honkytonkwillie: you have F1-F6 of those
[04:48] <illu45> ah, ok
[04:48] <honkytonkwillie> I randomly hit Ctrl-Alt-Fx keys until it X came back...
[04:48] <Jester45> yea its F7
[04:48] <illu45> ToHellWithGA, never seen that before...
[04:48] <Jester45> you can use xterm to have a gui terminal
[04:48] <Jester45> illu45: you see it often in irc
[04:49] <Jester45> in games you see word*
[04:49] <ToHellWithGA> you see it more often with sed
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> as an example, sed -i "s/lol/your mom/g" ~/log.txt, would replace all instances of "lol" with "your mom" in that file
[04:50] <ToHellWithGA> s///g is handy for doing search/replace in files from the terminal
[04:51] <illu45> I always use word*
[04:52] <ToHellWithGA> s/// is more specific
[04:53] <illu45> true
[04:54] <honkytonkwillie> More weirdness - the XFCE "Applications" button on the top panel isn't working.
[04:54] <honkytonkwillie> Menu drop downs work, but apps don't launch.
[04:54] <illu45> hm...
[04:58] <honkytonkwillie> Reboot time...
[05:14] <ToHellWithGA> tonyyarusso: why are folks going ban-crazy in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[05:16] <Merchelo> why not
[05:19] <Jester45> im banned 3 times :)
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> i don't mind getting banned when i @lart 28 hobbsee
[05:19] <ToHellWithGA> but for somebody being uptight for the sake of uptightness, that's not cool
[05:20] <Jester45> i got banned because somerville32 hates me
[05:21] <Merchelo> eh, he frequents in here too you know
[05:21] <Jester45> a word from my experience, dont change ati radeon 9250's memory clock from 270mhz to 300 its not pretty
[05:22] <Jester45> but changing the core from 2** to 350 was usefull
[05:34] <ToHellWithGA> Jester45: what's up with your connection?
[05:34] <Dekkard> are there any gtk bugs in feisty  Xubuntu?
[05:35] <Jester45> nothin
[05:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'm on centurtytel and i get dropped a lot too
[05:35] <ToHellWithGA> i was wondering if maybe our network is bad
[05:35] <Jester45> im restarting X
[05:35] <Dekkard> ahhh
[05:35] <Jester45> so my gaim dies
[05:35] <ToHellWithGA> i'm not a big fan of gaim for irc
[05:35] <Jester45> and gaim is auto started and it auto logins in here
[05:36] <ToHellWithGA> i haven't used it since like 1.5 or so
[05:36] <Jester45> i use it for this channel but when im dccing i use xchat
[05:36] <ToHellWithGA> but it was pretty rough back then
[05:36] <Jester45> ToHellWithGA: did you get a speed increase about a year about?
[05:36] <ToHellWithGA> i wouldn't know
[05:36] <ToHellWithGA> i just moved home to the 768/128 plan my parents have
[05:36] <Jester45> yea ago*
[05:37] <ToHellWithGA> and if i ever hit 128 centurytel drops me
[05:37] <Jester45> i had that but now i got about 1500/700
[05:37] <ToHellWithGA> they release and renew my DHCP lease if i use the full bandwidth i pay for
[05:37] <ToHellWithGA> i find that very cheap of them
[05:37] <Jester45> do you pay per mb?
[05:37] <ToHellWithGA> i'm on 1500/700 at work
[05:37] <ToHellWithGA> no, just per month
[05:38] <Jester45> same as me
[05:38] <Jester45> but i had you internet then one day it got faster
[05:38] <ToHellWithGA> but per month with "always on" in the ad suggests i should be able to push 128kbps up nonstop
[05:38] <Jester45> im not gonna tell them
[05:38] <Merchelo> you guys are missing out
[05:38] <ToHellWithGA> rather than 128kbps for like 5 seconds then a dhcp reset
[05:38] <ToHellWithGA> Merchelo: i'm not chipping in on the bill.  i don't miss anything :p
[05:39] <Jester45> well i use my neighbors wireless also
[05:39] <Merchelo> 2.5 gb/s down, 1.5gb/s up in regional france for 30 euro ($20)
[05:39] <Jester45> whats regional france me
[05:39] <Jester45> mean*
[05:40] <Merchelo> as in the regional area of france, not in the major cities, like paris, lyon, marseille, auxerre
[05:40] <Jester45> o like farms?
[05:40] <Jester45> hehe farms get the best connection
[05:41] <Jester45> are you sure its not 2.5mb/s
[05:41] <Merchelo> nope, i was there using it for a while
[05:41] <Merchelo> canal+ do an IPTV service
[05:41] <Jester45> concidering your gigbit ethernet couldnt use 1/2 of it
[05:41] <ToHellWithGA> Merchelo: gb/s?
[05:41] <Merchelo> yes
[05:41] <ToHellWithGA> that seems ridiculous
[05:41] <ToHellWithGA> that's faster than my LAN
[05:42] <Jester45> its faster than most lans
[05:42] <Jester45> most lans are mainly 100mbit
[05:42] <Jester45> with servers might be on gigabit
[05:43] <ToHellWithGA> those rates seem impractical
[05:43] <ToHellWithGA> how is the latency?
[05:44] <ToHellWithGA> if you still have 50-100ms pings the rate won't really do much for real-time stuff
[05:44] <Jester45> what kinda wire was it
[05:44] <ToHellWithGA> it had to be kosher wire
[05:44] <Jester45> you couldnt top that out much
[05:44] <ToHellWithGA> something extra special in [diety of choice] 's eyes
[05:45] <Jester45> what was the isp?
[05:45] <ToHellWithGA> i can't think of a lot of servers that could send stuff to you that quickly
[05:45] <ToHellWithGA> i bet youtube is nice on a connection like that
[05:45] <Jester45> youtube buttslow
[05:46] <Jester45> they got like 100mbit pipe to share with 300k people
[05:46] <ToHellWithGA> i didn't realize it was slow on their ened
[05:46] <ToHellWithGA> s/ened/end/
[05:46] <ToHellWithGA> i always assumed it was my weaksauce connection
[05:46] <Jester45> no they arent that fast
[05:47] <ToHellWithGA> i bet they have some cool QoS and load balancing stuff
[05:47] <Merchelo> france telecom is the ISP
[05:47] <Jester45> they stream the vidoe in real time but if they had fast connection for all then when you start streaming i would finish very quickly
[05:48] <ToHellWithGA> Merchelo: is that a government-operated company?
[05:48] <Merchelo> nope, now under the control of orange communications
[05:48] <ToHellWithGA> the network between universities in the US is pretty nice.  i dunno if it is owned by the government or individuals
[05:49] <Merchelo> most uni-uni network are government run
[05:49] <Jester45> im sure if they gave out 2.5gb isps would relocate there
[05:49] <Jester45> they have internetv2
[05:49] <Jester45> its mega fast like over 200gb/s
[05:50] <Jester45> but its only from uni-uni not uni-internet
[05:50] <ToHellWithGA> that's cool
[05:50] <Jester45> but uni-internet is fast
[05:50] <ToHellWithGA> i have no scale lol
[05:50] <ToHellWithGA> with 768k/128k here everything seems just fast enough
[05:50] <ToHellWithGA> nothing seems really fast
[05:50] <ToHellWithGA> it's all just not slow
[05:50] <Jester45> i could use more
[05:51] <Jester45> but... i dont want to upragade over the next step
[05:51] <Jester45> if i upgrade from what im paying for i get what i have now
[05:51] <Jester45> so untill im older and can get a job im gonna stay with this
[05:51] <ToHellWithGA> that's kinda funny, your lucky upgrade
[05:52] <Jester45> i know
[05:52] <ToHellWithGA> you aren't old enough to get a job?
[05:52] <Jester45> i was like.. OMG get the movies before they find it
[05:52] <ToHellWithGA> i think the workin' age is 15 in missouri
[05:52] <Jester45> 15 i could... but im gonna wait till 16
[05:52] <ToHellWithGA> that's not an age problem
[05:52] <ToHellWithGA> that's a lazy problem :p
[05:53] <ToHellWithGA> you might as well work and save now
[05:53] <ToHellWithGA> saving money is so much cooler than having new toys
[05:53] <Jester45> im good
[05:53] <ToHellWithGA> when you actually need money, the savings are so nice to have
[05:53] <Jester45> my parents are paying for my stuff
[05:54] <ToHellWithGA> after a few domestic catastrophies you'll appreciate liquid assets more than toys
[05:54] <Jester45> and i have to keep my grades up
[05:54] <ToHellWithGA> homes suck with their faulty parts
[05:54] <ToHellWithGA> appliances that can die any time at random
[05:54] <Jester45> computers...
[05:54] <ToHellWithGA> and plumbing that has to withstand significant water pressure and temperature changes
[05:55] <ToHellWithGA> it'd be much cheaper to live in a tent
[05:55] <Jester45> parents...
[05:55] <ToHellWithGA> drink rainwater, use outhouses, use coolers/ice boxes
[05:55] <Jester45> if i drop my GPA under 3.5 they said i dont get a car
[05:57] <ToHellWithGA> "get a car"?
[05:57] <ToHellWithGA> not buy a car
[05:57] <ToHellWithGA> you have a sweet deal dude
[05:57] <ToHellWithGA> keep those marks high :)
[05:57] <Jester45> i know thats why im not working
[06:00] <jedispam> anyone have experience with open office spreadsheet?
[06:00] <Jester45> a little its like MS Excel
[06:00] <jedispam> i want to print a spreadsheet WITH the grids
[06:01] <jedispam> trying to figure out how
[06:05] <Jester45> wow beryl is trouble
[06:06] <jedispam> is it now?
[06:06] <jedispam> lol
[06:07] <Jester45> try file -> page setup
[06:10] <jedispam> :( i'm trying to find something like that
[06:10] <Jester45> o
[06:10] <Jester45> idk then
[06:11] <Jester45> try file -> print the look in options
[06:11] <Jester45> i gtg to bead
[06:11] <Jester45> bed
[06:11] <Jester45> night all
[06:11] <jedispam> later
[06:13] <Jester45> wow
[06:13] <Jester45> this sucks
[06:16] <s|k> what sucks
[06:17] <s|k> w/in 11
[06:21] <BFTD> hey
[06:23] <jedispam> hello
[06:23] <Jester45> hi
[06:38] <jedispam> anti-spam !
[06:38] <jedispam> i have no vulnerabilities
[06:38] <Jester45> yes you do
[06:39] <Jester45> there is allways a vulnerability
[06:39] <_Codeman_> what packages do I need to get OpenGL?
[06:39] <_Codeman_> from a dev stand point I guess
[06:39] <Jester45> none
[06:39] <Jester45> o
[06:39] <Jester45> !ooengl
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ooengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:39] <Jester45> !opengl
[06:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:45] <BFTD> !info mesa6 | _Codeman_
[06:45] <ubotu> _codeman_: Package mesa6 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:45] <BFTD> oops
[06:45] <BFTD> !info mesa
[06:45] <ubotu> Package mesa does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:15] <godless> How do I discover the subpixel order for my monitor?
[07:19] <godless> h3sp4wn:  Speaking of which, did you sort out your smooth font issues?
[07:42] <crdlb> godless: you could try each to see which one looks good
[07:42] <crdlb> it's probably RGB though
[07:42] <godless> crdlb:  yes, that's what I've decided
[07:42] <godless> except now I seem to have broken x by playing around with the fonts :/
[07:43] <godless> can only get 800x600
[07:43] <godless> what is the command to reconfigure x?
[07:43] <godless> dpkg-reconfigure ...?
[07:44] <crdlb> sudo dkpg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:46] <godless> crdlb:  Thanks. The list in dpkg showed up to 1024x768, which is correct, but display preferences still only shows 800x600 and 640x480..!?
[07:46] <crdlb> godless: what vid card?
[07:46] <godless> crdlb:  i815
[07:46] <crdlb> and you need to restart X after doing that
[07:48] <sivaji> what is virtual file syste,
[07:48] <sivaji> what is virtual file system
[07:49] <Grape_Juice> the opposite of a real file system. :>
[07:50] <Grape_Juice> I'm sorry, I'm a jerk like that. :<
[07:50] <Grape_Juice> And I gots carrots!!1 WHOOO!!! <><><><><><><><><><><<><><<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>
[07:54] <godless> There we go.
[07:54] <godless> Not sure the fonts are any smoother, but. :)
[07:54] <godless> no, they aren't :/
[07:55] <godless> xdpyinfo | grep resolution gives my 75x75 dots per inch where previously I was getting 83x84
[08:06] <posingaspopular> i have issues, help me! my computer wont show my wireless card in lspci
[08:09] <Merchelo> Grape_Juice: you ok?
[08:10] <Grape_Juice> Merchelo: I guess. :)
[08:10] <Grape_Juice> Just playing around... :p
[08:11] <Merchelo> don't over do it on the carrots
[08:28] <sivaji> W: GPG error: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[08:28] <sivaji> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:29] <sivaji> W: GPG error: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[08:32] <crdlb> !medibuntu
[08:32] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[08:33] <crdlb> sivaji: wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[08:35] <sivaji> crdlib thank u
[08:37] <sivaji> ple tell me jre package for feisty
[08:42] <Myrtti> you can easily find it from the official repositories by searching
[08:48] <posingaspopular> hmmm i seem to have network manager installed, but can't find it in the menu. how to launch from command line?
[08:49] <Myrtti> it's a demon
[08:49] <Myrtti> you control it with an applet
[09:11] <RememberPOL> is it possible to initiate an xdcmp connection on xubuntu?
[09:13] <Fjear> woot
[09:13] <Fjear> xubuntu running on a g3 toilet seat ibook ftw
[09:13] <Merchelo> heh
[09:13] <Fjear> :D
[09:22] <Fjear>  /wave
[11:03] <xjkx> do all buntus use the same source.list?
[11:04] <posingaspopular> umm no
[11:04] <GeoregeAScott> hi
[11:05] <posingaspopular> because a source.list handles repositories for software
[11:05] <posingaspopular> and all the buntus have diff. software
[11:05] <posingaspopular> !welcome | GeoregeAScott
[11:05] <ubotu> GeoregeAScott: Hello and welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions or help others. If you'd like to chit-chat, please visit #xubuntu-offtopic and for developer discussion, see #xubuntu-devel :)
[11:05] <GeoregeAScott> anybody point me to a good howto for alsa configuring?? i've got an old laptop with es1869 chip can't get it to work
[11:06] <posingaspopular> !alsa
[11:06] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:07] <GeoregeAScott> posingaspopular, what if there is no device to select from in the volume control?
[11:08] <Myrtti> posingaspopular: actually they do use the same sources.list as far as I can tell
[11:08] <posingaspopular> hmmm
[11:08] <posingaspopular> Myrtti: where does the difference in desktop manager and bundles software come in than?
[11:08] <Myrtti> the only difference being that instead of ubuntu-desktop kubuntu has kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu has xubuntu-desktop installed
[11:09] <Myrtti> those -desktop packages are only metapackages that are dependant on gnome, kde or xfce4 software
[11:10] <Myrtti> you can perfectly well install xubuntu on kde alternative disk with doing first server install and then installing xubuntu-desktop
[11:10] <Myrtti> or gnome on xubuntu alt
[11:10] <posingaspopular> Myrtti: here's an arbitrary question. why is it known as xfce4? and the others are just gnome and kde? kde4 is on the way out, but why dont we use kde3?
[11:11] <Myrtti> I've got no clue
[11:11] <posingaspopular> i said it was arbitrary
[11:12] <posingaspopular> afk
[11:17] <feta__> why doesn't my synaptic know seamonkey, nvu or almost anything else? it has all repositories enabled.
[11:18] <xjkx> posingaspopular, the guy on ubuntu said they have !
[11:19] <xjkx> :o
[11:20] <GeoregeAScott> not much help from those alsa links.
[11:20] <feta__> and why does the trash icon suggest that the trash is full when there is nothing?
[11:21] <GeoregeAScott> and #alsa is a ghost channel, nobody alive
[11:21] <feta__> 'cd: command not found' <- wtf is this, then?!
[11:22] <GeoregeAScott> maybe somebody can tell me why i can mount data cds but not audio ones?
[11:29] <xjkx> thats really ghey
[11:29] <xjkx> Happens on all linuxes
[11:30] <xjkx> You can't mount audio cds in any linux
[11:32] <GeoregeAScott> i used to be able to on my old box with breezy
[11:33] <GeoregeAScott> this ancient laptop is giving me all sorts of problems tho
[12:10] <posingaspopular> Mez|OnAir: ping
[12:10] <Mez|OnAir> posingaspopular, pong
[12:11] <posingaspopular> you're on right? as in, you just started?
[12:16] <knp> anyone coud help with changing mouse cursor theme on xfce ?
[12:18] <posingaspopular> Mez|OnAir: link me to your page
[12:18] <Mez|OnAir> posingaspopular, sent
[12:33] <orasis> So, has anyone used Xubuntu 7.04 Feisty yet? - Is it better than the dapper release (since the edgy release .. was not that good...) ?
[12:34] <posingaspopular> orasis: i didn't use edgy/dapper xubuntu
[12:35] <posingaspopular> but i think xubuntu feisty is great
[12:35] <posingaspopular> except it wont recognize my pci wireless card
[12:35] <posingaspopular> for who knows what reason
[12:36] <orasis> hehe, hwo is Firefox ?
[12:37] <orasis> Edgy for me anyways was bad... it was a lot slower than the dapper release, sure the dapper release had some annoying bugs like menus disappearing but.. edgy was like one giant lag fest - X would be slow as molasses
[12:38] <posingaspopular> i forget, but 6.10 was edgy? or dapper? 6.10 anything was terrible for me
[12:38] <posingaspopular> so i prefered 6.06 or 7.04
[12:38] <posingaspopular> and i didn't touch anything before than
[12:38] <posingaspopular> in any of the *buntus
[12:39] <Mars^> Hi guys, i came here yesterday because i had problem in configuring my wireless network
[12:39] <orasis> Yeah 6.10 was edgy
[12:39] <posingaspopular> Mars^: so you came to tell us about your sucess?
[12:39] <posingaspopular> orasis: yea 7.04 should be great
[12:39] <orasis> posingaspopular, Hoping for tips?  I couldn't compile madwifi and ndiswrapper, because of no internet connection
[12:41] <posingaspopular> orasis: i dont have wireless either
[12:42] <posingaspopular> Mars^: can't you grab that using cable?
[12:42] <posingaspopular> i might have to ndiswrapper for my d-link card myself
[12:42] <Mars^> posingaspopular: I have connected it today
[12:42] <Mars^> The thing is that I guess that Xubuntu recognised my wi fi card. It says that HAL works fine
[12:43] <posingaspopular> it recognizes in lspci
[12:43] <posingaspopular> ?
[12:43] <Mars^> Put then when i type all stuff including static ip etc. It does not connect
[12:43] <posingaspopular> did you try network manager?
[12:43] <Mars^> posingaspopular: yes
[12:43] <Mars^> few times
[12:44] <Mars^> but i will try one more
[12:44] <orasis> :( work time.. later guys
[12:44] <posingaspopular> Mars^: hmm
[12:45] <posingaspopular> see i suck at wireless too
[12:45] <Mars^> is there any point in using madwifi if xubuntu says that there is atheros wireless card?
[12:46] <Mars^> but
[12:47] <Mars^> how can  i scan for access points?
[12:47] <posingaspopular> hmm see i have no clue
[12:48] <Mars^> i will try wifi radar
[12:49] <Mars^> yep it sees my home access point
[12:50] <Mars^> what means that there is everything ok with card
[12:50] <posingaspopular> i have class in two hours and no sleep....
[12:52] <Mars^> I gues i ave an answer
[12:52] <Mars^> Wicd
[12:55] <posingaspopular> wicd?
[12:56] <Mars^> I see some people have similar problem with network manager
[12:56] <Mars^> using wickd helped
[12:59] <Mars^> but now
[12:59] <Mars^> i have to uninstall network manager, so i will have a problem if something goes wrong
[01:06] <ciro314> hello. how could i share a printer between 2 xubuntu systems?
[01:12] <grazie> !cups | ciro314
[01:12] <ubotu> ciro314: Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[01:15] <ciro314> a just want to add the network printer. after opening abiword and click the print button, i would like it to appear
[01:19] <grazie> ciro314: You just need to configure cups+apps correctly. I use http://localhost:631. Those links have more info than I do.
[01:20] <ciro314> ok. thanks. i will try
[01:54] <aubade> Any way to change the grid size of xfdesktop?
[01:56] <TheSheep> aubade: yes, together with the icons
[01:58] <aubade> Yeah, tried that. Doesn't seem like they'll get remotely near the bottom of the screen though without being 64px or something humongous.
[02:00] <TheSheep> I have them 64px large by default...
[02:00] <TheSheep> the bigger the better
[02:01] <aubade> Suppose so, seems a lot less flexible than Nautilus (wouldn't touch that with a stick though). Ah well.
[02:02] <TheSheep> aubade: as far as I know most xfce devs don't have icons on the desktop and only implemented it because users wnated it
[02:26] <Sulle> well, i am off to fix my new car =). c u l8tr
[03:03] <totalwormage> :]
[03:04] <TheSheep> grazie: no, this is the  Official Xubuntu Support Channel
[03:04] <grazie> TheSheep: Thanks for clarifying that :)
[03:05] <TheSheep> grazie: it's in the topic ;)
[03:19] <aro> If I have  a machine with exactly 256mb of RAM, can I use the regular CD or should I use the alternate CD?
[03:20] <TheSheep> aro: live cd should work, but alternate cd will be probably faster
[03:20] <aro> Alright thanks
[03:40] <okazujesiezenie> Hi guys. I am trying to delete network manager but i cant
[03:41] <okazujesiezenie> I mean no package to delete
[03:52] <grazie> okazujesiezenie: do you mean the network-admin app?
[03:52] <okazujesiezenie> uhh
[03:52] <okazujesiezenie> maybe
[03:53] <okazujesiezenie> grazie: the stuff used to connect internet
[03:53] <grazie> okazujesiezenie: Started by Applications > Sytem > Network ?
[03:53] <okazujesiezenie> grazie: yep
[03:54] <okazujesiezenie> grazie: thanks
[03:54] <grazie> okazujesiezenie: think that's part of xubuntu-system-tools (you maybe want other apps in the package though)
[04:01] <okazujesiezenie> all i knoew is that i have to remove network manager to use wicd
[04:02] <grazie> okazujesiezenie: there is a network-manager package, but if you can't remove it then it's not installed
[04:03] <okazujesiezenie> it is not
[05:15] <BFTD> hi all
[05:16] <TheSheep> hi BFTD
[06:25] <feta__> where can i find glibc 2.3.2? why doesn't synaptic acknowledge it?
[06:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:47] <TheSheep> slow-motion: witaj
[06:47] <slow-motion> hi TheSheep
[06:52] <slow-motion> is feisty already out?
[06:53] <TheSheep> slow-motion: yes
[06:53] <vidd> general Internet question: How would i notate my entire home network? 192.168.1.?/?
[06:54] <TheSheep> <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[06:54] <TheSheep> or <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:54] <vidd> TheSheep, ty...i've been googling all morning and not finding and\ answer
[06:57] <slow-motion> o f*ck think i have to update
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> feta__: why do you need that ?
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> feta__: If its a deb its for Debian Sarge
[07:05] <godless> Grapes, which self-pollinate, and olives, which are pollinated by the wind, will not be affected by the bees' disappearance; Christians pointed out that the Book of Revelation predicts that a famine sparing grapes and olives will precede the apocalypse.
[07:05] <godless> wrong window, sorry
[07:06] <neozen> lol
[07:06] <neozen> interesting hobby you've got there
[07:06] <vidd> gee...which channel is THAT???? INVITE ME!!!
[07:08] <vidd> no kidding...i LOVE speaking about theological topics from a scientifical viewpoint!
[07:08] <neozen> me too.... when i have time
[07:09] <vidd> hmmm....looks like he is not in another channel...that i can see anyway
[07:11] <slow-motion> i read self-pollinate and was thinking "hey hemp"
[07:12] <vidd> anyone know a way to get dyndns.org to automatically translate port 80 to another port?
[07:13] <vidd> cuzz my port 80 is blocked
[07:13] <Viaken> Who blocks it, vidd?
[07:13] <vidd> verizon
[07:14] <vidd> all my other ports are wide open...just 80 is blocked
[07:14] <vidd> even https is open!
[07:14] <Viaken> I'm having a problem with nm-applet starting 3 times on boot. It's not in the startup applications list and I couldn't find an obvious dot file that would change it (even with grepping all of them :P). Does anyone know how to fix it?
[07:14] <Viaken> Are you using the free DNS?
[07:14] <vidd> yes
[07:15] <vidd> this is a test project, so I cant really afford to pay anything
[07:15] <vidd> =[
[07:17] <vidd> and is it unusual to be able to view your website from outside your network and not from within?
[07:17] <Viaken> Depends on your routing rules, I suppose.
[07:17] <vidd> for example, i but in my URL with :8080 from the internet, it loads, but not from within
[07:18] <vidd> Viaken, feel like testing to see if you can view my test page?
[07:18] <Viaken> Sure
[07:18] <vidd> vidd.homelinux.net
[07:18] <crabgrass> bawww, when i drag images from firefox onto the desktop, xfce wants to make a link, but i want it to download the images... how do i do this?
[07:19] <vidd> it SHOULD display the "It Works!" test page with appache
[07:19] <vidd> dont forget the :8080
[07:19] <vidd> ...sorry
[07:19] <Viaken> S'ok. :) It worked.
[07:20] <vidd> can you try to do an anonomous FTP to it?
[07:20] <vidd> it SHOULD block it
[07:20] <vidd> =]
[07:20] <Viaken> Seems to, yep
[07:21] <vidd> cool
[07:21] <vidd> i just wish i could test all this from WITHIN my network
[07:21] <crabgrass> anybody?
[07:21] <vidd> but it dont seem to want to work
[07:22] <vidd> crabgrass, right click and choose "save..."
[07:22] <godless> crabgrass:  right-click-save-as?
[07:22] <crabgrass> but... dragging?
[07:22] <godless> Can you drag them into a thunar window?
[07:22] <crabgrass> is there a way to drag things to the desktop, or am i stuck with rightclicking?
[07:22] <vidd> can any linux do it?
[07:23] <godless> vidd:  The other channel is on a different network. We were actually talking about the mass bee extinction, the link to revelations was just a cute observation.
[07:24] <vidd> godless, ah...ok
[07:27] <Viaken> godless: I was under the impression they weren't finding corpses.
[07:34] <vidd_> how do you remove a directory and everything in it?
[07:35] <godless> vidd:  rm -rf /directory
[07:37] <vidd_> helps if i put in the full path
[07:37] <vidd_> =\
[07:38] <godless> haha
[07:38] <godless> dilbert principle
[07:58] <hyper_ch> godless: doesn't the "r" need to be capital "R"?
[08:01] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no
[08:09] <vidd> hey...i just figured out how to give two ppl ftp access to the same site
[08:09] <vidd> =]
[08:10] <vidd> with different user names and passwords of course
[08:10] <vidd> now if i could just keep them in the /var/www/[sitename] / folder!
[08:12] <TheSheep> vidd: you can
[08:13] <vidd> i know its possible...i just need to learn how
[08:13] <vidd> =\
[08:13] <TheSheep> vidd: although I usually prefer /home/www/[sitename]
[08:13] <vidd> who knew setting up proftpd would be so hard!
[08:14] <vidd> ....but apache is set to look in /var/www/
[08:14] <vidd> and var has way more space then /home
[08:14] <TheSheep> vidd: not on my box :)
[08:14] <vidd> =]
[08:15] <TheSheep> vidd: I always thought that proftpd is one of the easiest to set up
[08:15] <vidd> wanna come take a peek @ this one?
[08:15] <vidd> =]
[08:15] <vidd> TheSheep,  thats what i heard too...and its what work uses
[08:15] <vidd> so i have to learn it
[08:16] <TheSheep> haha, no, thank you
[09:03] <vidd> TheSheep, i found out my problem with ppl not being locked into thier own directories....
[09:03] <vidd> i wasnt able to restart my proftp server...
[09:04] <vidd> i rebooted the box, and my changes were saved, and now ppl are locked into thier folders like they are supposed to be
[09:04] <h3sp4wn>  ~
[09:04] <vidd> =]
[09:04] <h3sp4wn> DefaultRoot ~
[09:04] <vidd> yes...
[09:05] <vidd> i changed that hours ago....
[09:05] <vidd> but i dont seem to be able to restard proftpd
[09:05] <vidd> i have to reboot the box to get changes to save
[09:05] <vidd> =\
[09:05] <jexd> i have both ubuntu and xubuntu installed on my comp. on ubuntu i have 3 thousand + songs, whereas xubuntu i have like 20, haha. i want to transfer the files from ubuntu to xubuntu. is there anyway to transfer files over a partition?
[09:06] <h3sp4wn> cp -rv
[09:09] <godless> jexd:  Can't you just mount the partition and listen to the songs from their original location?
[09:13] <jexd> godless
[09:13] <jexd> how would i go about doing that?
[09:14] <jexd> (i am linux-retarded)
[09:15] <TheSheep> !mount
[09:15] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[09:15] <TheSheep> !fstab
[09:15] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:22] <jexd> TheSheep, which partitioning program do you recommend?
[09:22] <TheSheep> jexd: no, you don't need to do partitioning
[09:22] <TheSheep> jexd: just mount the partition
[09:39] <TheSheep> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593271182/ <-- omg
[09:41] <j1mc> TheSheep: looks good, but why OMG?
[09:43] <TheSheep> j1mc: I'd expect the desktop guide to cover it bettr
[09:43] <TheSheep> j1mc: I mean, when there is good free docuemntation available, who'd buy books?
[09:44] <Sulle> what r u guys doing atm ?
[09:44] <j1mc> TheSheep: yeah . . .
[09:44] <jexd> my fstab file is confusing me. i assume my ubuntu partition is "/dev/hda3" but when i "sudo mount /dev/hda6 /mnt
[09:44] <jexd> " it says /dev/hda6 looks like swapspace - not mounted
[09:44] <jexd> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[09:44] <TheSheep> jexd: can you pastebin the results of 'sudo fdisk -l'?
[09:45] <TheSheep> !pastebin | jexd
[09:45] <ubotu> jexd: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:45] <jexd> hey.. i think i did it, actually.
[09:46] <jexd> brb, must explore
[09:46] <TheSheep> jexd: by the way, it's better to mount it to some subditrectory of /mnt, not /mnt itself :)
[09:46] <jexd> crap, i just mounted my xubuntu drive onto ... my xubuntu drive. haha.
[09:46] <jexd> thesheep - ok. i'll do that when i try this again.
[09:46] <TheSheep> jexd: you can always umount
[09:46] <jexd> doing that now
[09:48] <jexd> thesheep: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18668/
[09:49] <TheSheep> jexd: looks like you have linux on hda1 and hda3
[09:49] <TheSheep> jexd: by the way, you don't need two separate swaps -- the two systems can share one
[09:50] <jexd> thesheep
[09:50] <jexd> i freaking did it
[09:50] <jexd> this is exciting
[09:50] <jexd> i feel leet
[09:50] <TheSheep> welcome to the club ;)
[09:50] <jexd> should i do something about the two separate swaps?
[09:51] <TheSheep> not necessarily, if you don't mind them
[09:51] <jexd> so thesheep, could i hypothetically create a new partition, transfer all the files i want to save there, and then reformat and install something new and just transfer all my files back?
[09:52] <TheSheep> jexd: but you don't have any free space for a new partition left?
[09:53] <jexd> no, i don't believe i do
[09:53] <jexd> but i could resize my current partition, and then do it, yes?
[09:54] <jexd> i don't actually plan on doing this... mostly because i have no idea how. i'm just wondering if its possible
[09:54] <TheSheep> jexd: you could just copy the files into your current partition, woithout resiszing it
[09:58] <jexd> Thesheep, thank you so much for your help. i'm transferring all my songs now to this partition (eventually going to resize this to be my main OS and then delete ubuntu)... and its gonna take a while to move all these songs. in the meantime, basketball calls. thanks man, later
[10:30] <slow-motion> reoot time. wish me luck
[10:31] <hyper_ch> hd-dvd and bluray is hacked :)
[10:35] <TheSheep> who'd expect :/
[10:35] <TheSheep> !ot | hyper_ch
[10:35] <ubotu> hyper_ch: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:35] <hyper_ch> it was calm in here :)
[10:36] <TheSheep> !otot | hyper_ch
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about otot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: please come to that channel :)
[10:36] <hyper_ch> none is in otot :)
[10:37] <TheSheep> #xubuntu-offtopic
[10:39] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: soryy, but that !ot only works there :)
[10:44] <darrend> anyone know why my system cron jobs would be running at completely different times and days to what is in /etc/crontab ?
[10:45] <okazujesiezenie> Anyone using wicd on xubuntu?
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> Is it in ubuntu ?
[10:45] <vidd> darrend, your sys set to local or UTC?
[10:46] <darrend> UTC.  But I'm in the UK and we're only 1 hour different from UTC right now.  These jobs are running at wildly different times/dates from those listed in the crontab
[10:47] <vidd> then i have no ideas
[10:47] <darrend> vidd: that makes 2 of us :(
[10:48] <darrend> I think they're continuing to run at the defaults despite my having changed them, but can't be certain
[10:48] <darrend> unless anyone has a default/unmodified crontab handy and can tell me what time/date daily and monthly jobs run..
[10:48] <vidd> after you changed them, did you restart cron?
[10:50] <darrend> yes
[10:51] <vidd> now im REALLY out of ideas
[10:51] <darrend> the machine has also been rebooted since the last modified time of /etc/crontab
[10:51] <darrend> vidd: is your crontab unmodified from the default ubuntu version?
[10:52] <vidd> yes...
[10:53] <darrend> what is the runtime for daily and monthly jobs in there?
[10:53] <vidd> where is it located?
[10:53] <darrend> /etc/crontab
[10:53] <vidd> !paste
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[10:54] <vidd> darrend, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18681/
[10:55] <darrend> vidd: thx
[11:00] <Sulle> !jobs
[11:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jobs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <TheSheep> Sulle: http://www.ubuntu.com/employment
[11:07] <Sulle> thnx TheSheep
[11:17] <odat> hi everyone
[11:20] <odat> when is xfburn gonna get audio cd burning capabilities?
[11:22] <maxamillion> odat: xfburn fails at life, get graveman ;)
[11:23] <maxamillion> odat: or gnomebaker
[11:23] <odat> maxamillion, graveman is dead too
[11:24] <odat> maxamillion, I am looking for something that doesn't have gstreamer dependencies
[11:24] <odat> did anyone ever really look at birne??
[11:24] <TheSheep> brasero, gnomebaker and k3b <-- the latter will not have gstreamer deps for sure ;)
[11:24] <odat> it would have been a great app for xubuntu
[11:25] <jexd> i realize this is xubuntu and probably not the best place to ask this, but i use gmusicbrowser because its the best music app (imo) for xfce. i just transferred all my songs from my ubuntu (which used rhythmbox) to xubuntu, and gmusicbrowser. i have like 500 songs now that all have Unknown as both the artist and title. Rhythmbox read them fine, though. whats up with that?
[11:25] <odat> hacburn would also be nice
[11:26] <odat> jexd, i use gmusicbrowser for everything.....  how did you set it up?
[11:26] <maxamillion> odat: graveman is dead?
[11:27] <jexd> odat.. the itunes like interface? uhh.. other than that, default setup.
[11:27] <odat> jexd, i mean did you tell it where to find your music? etc etc
[11:27] <TheSheep> jexd: two ideas come to my mind: a) you don't have some id3tag library thet gmusicbrowser requires, or b) rhythmbox took the title and artist from the file name and gmusicbroser can't do that
[11:28] <jexd> is B just an idea, or is that true? i'll check out A and see if i can find anything that will help
[11:29] <TheSheep> jexd: both are only ideas, I never used gmusicbrowser
[11:29] <jexd> odat: i pointed it to my music directory, if thats what you mean. i'm playing the music through gmusicbrowser.. just a lot of songs have bad id3tags
[11:31] <odat> TheSheep, no where do i see that gmusicbrowser require the id3tag library
[11:32] <TheSheep> odat: no idea, maybe try asking the authors...
[11:32] <slow-motion> n8
[11:33] <TheSheep> odat: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=493125
[11:33] <TheSheep> odat: you could also check with some other programs if the id3 tags are there
[11:34] <domenic> what is a good C editor that with highlights?
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> vim ? emacs ?
[11:36] <odat> jexd, try using the playlist for the player window layout i like it much better than the itunes layout
[11:38] <odat> anyone able to make a deb out of hacburn?
[11:40] <jexd> odat: i'll give it a try
[11:41] <jexd> odat: does it have a "filter" function like the itunes layout did? this looks much better but i use the filter/search function a lot
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> TheSheep: Is it that good ?
[11:42] <jexd> odat: "with browser and queue" - it is the playlist layout with a search filter and a play que box... best so far
[11:43] <odat> jexd, the filter function was at the top
[11:44] <domenic> according to my computer vim is installed
[11:44] <domenic> but i cannot run it outside of the terminal
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> domenic: set background=dark
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> domenic: syntax on
[11:45] <h3sp4wn> (put those two in .vimrc)
[11:46] <domenic> so vim is a terminal app?
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> yes
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> or you can use gvim
[11:47] <domenic> and that isnt a terminal app?
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> or something else entirely
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> no that is a gtk app
[11:49] <odat> this thing looked sweet to bad no one picked it up and ran with it
[11:49] <odat> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=138400
[11:51] <odat> but this is what we should have for xubuntu
[11:52] <odat> right here
[11:52] <odat> this one
[11:52] <odat> http://hacburn.sourceforge.net/screenshots/hacburn-0.2-options.jpg
[11:53] <odat> anyone here?
[11:59] <dawkins> I'm trying to install Xubuntu 7.04 from the Alternate install CD. It hangs at the "Configuring Apt" step at 20% while "Scanning the CD-ROM...".
[12:00] <dawkins> Anyone?
[12:02] <Merchelo> i am but not in a sober state :/
[12:02] <TheSheep> dawkins: try testing the cd integrity
[12:03] <odat> TheSheep, did you take a look at that last app?
[12:03] <TheSheep> odat: no
[12:03] <DarthLappy> How do I send F10 to the Terminal? Normally it just opens the Terminal menu, but I want it to be sent to the program that I am running.
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> tried ^[ - f10 ?
[12:04] <TheSheep> DarthLappy: right-click, select preferences, shortcuts and look at the bottom
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> escape
[12:04] <TheSheep> esc 0 should work too
[12:05] <DarthLappy> TheSheep: Okay, thanks.
[12:05] <dawkins> Is it fine if the install CD gives me the error message: "ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP", but still boots anyway?
[12:07] <DarthLappy> And now it's off to school for me.