[01:35] <JonyBlaze> anyone have any experience building ubuntu packages for qt apps?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> JonyBlaze: need help?
[01:40] <JonyBlaze> JontheEchidna: can you use pbuilder just like any source with a qt app?
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> yep, you can
[01:41] <JonyBlaze> do you need to run qmake first?
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> you use it like any other source package, build the source package then pbuild it
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> You'll want to include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/qmake.mk and /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk in your debian/rules file, then do debuild -S -sa like any other package
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> then you can pbuild the resulting .dsc
[01:43] <JonyBlaze> ah i see
[01:43] <JonyBlaze> thank you
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome. Feel free to ask any questions
[05:43] <wrapster> when i run this.. everything works fine but only the 64bit libs are present 32 is not at all there..
[05:44] <wrapster> http://pastie.org/675753
[05:44] <wrapster> i successfully compiled for both 64and 32...but did some goof up that I cannot recollect now.. and paying a price...
[05:45] <wrapster> could anyone pls look at that and let me know how to get the copy_64 , copy_back working?
[05:45] <wrapster> pls...
[05:46] <wrapster> mind you that the rest of the script is perfect.. its some juggling act that needs to be done with the targs thats.. all...
[05:46] <wrapster> Damn i didnt have a bkup
[06:01] <wrapster> can anyone look into it pls
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[07:40] <RAOF> Good morning dholbach!
[07:41] <dholbach> hi RAOF
[07:42] <highvoltage> good morning!
[10:39] <Rocha> good morning everyone
[10:39] <Rocha> i'd like to fix a bug in ubuntu but i don't know how
[10:39] <Rocha> it's related to the network proxy dialog
[10:39] <Rocha> how can i get the code for it to try to fix the bug?
[10:40] <azeem> apt-get source package-name
[10:41] <Rocha> that would help if i knew which package contains the network proxy dialog box
[10:41] <Rocha> how can i know that?
[10:41] <azeem> Rocha: what is the filename of the dialog?
[10:43] <Rocha> i have no clue, how can i know which binary file the menu item is calling?
[10:43] <azeem> I don't know either, you will have to do some research
[10:43] <Rocha> ok, let me try
[10:43] <azeem> I think most of those preference dialogs start with gnome-, like gnome-foo-preferences
[10:44] <Rocha> great, it's gnome-network-properties
[10:44] <Rocha> now, how can i know which package contains that program?
[10:45] <azeem> man dpkg
[10:45] <Rocha> i suppose googling is faster than using man
[10:46] <micahg> Rocha: dpkg -S filename
[10:47] <Rocha> micahg, thanks, it worked
[10:47] <Rocha> it's gnome-control-center
[10:48] <Rocha> now, apt-get source gnome-control-center i suppose
[10:48] <Rocha> at least its what's written in Bugs/HowToFix
[10:49] <^arky^> Hi, Where do I find ubuntu conventions for writing man pages ?
[10:50] <Rocha> ok, apt-get source says that this package is maintained in bazaar so i should use the bzr get <url> to get the code
[10:52] <azeem> interesting, didn't know Ubuntu did that
[10:53] <slytherin> ^arky^: There is no such thing as ubuntu convention for man page
[10:54] <^arky^> slytherin: then man man-pages should suffice
[10:54] <^arky^> thanks slytherin
[10:56] <Rocha> perfect, network proxy is coded in C and i know C =)
[10:56] <Rocha> i hope i can fix the bug
[10:59] <slytherin> Rocha: What bug is that by the way?
[11:00] <Rocha> imagine this use case
[11:01] <Rocha> i want to add a proxy to the network so i open the dialog, click in "use same proxy for all protocols" and insert the hostname for the proxy
[11:01] <Rocha> if you click the "use same" before setting the hostname, it doesn't get set in all protocols
[11:01] <Rocha> you have to deselect the check box for "use same" and select it again
[11:02] <Rocha> i don't know anything about gtk bug i assume an event is triggered if something is typed in a textbox
[11:03] <Rocha> so everytime you type something in the http proxy textbox you should check to see if the "use same" checkbox is set, and if it is, copy the hostname and port text boxes to the boxes below for the other protocols
[11:04] <RAOF_> Rocha: That's a perfectly reasonable assumption :).  More concretely, you'd want to be hooking in to the "text-changed" (or words to that effect) signal on the widget.
[11:04] <Rocha> i assume that this would be trivial to change for someone who knows C and gtk
[11:05] <RAOF_> Not necessarily a valid assumption, but could well be :)
[11:05] <Rocha> since i only know C i guess i can learn gtk and fix the bug
[11:05] <RAOF_> gtk's actually pretty easy. gobject is a really nice way to do OO C.
[11:05] <Rocha> i'll sleep much better today by knowing that i've contributed a small patch to the operating system i've been using since 4.10 :D
[11:07] <Rocha> the file has 1321 lines of code, which is pretty easy to handle
[11:07] <Rocha> i'll try to fix the bug today and learn gtk as i go along
[11:08] <RAOF_> The gtk docs are pretty good, too.
[11:08] <Rocha> great, i'll read them in a second
[11:08] <RAOF_> (Although they tend to assume a certain amount of familiarity with gobject)
[11:09] <azeem> Rocha: it's only a visual glitch, I believe whatever you type gets used for all protocols, just not displayed
[11:10] <Rocha> azeem, that's good to know =)
[11:10] <Rocha> i haven't tried if they are actually set or not, but visually they don't
[11:12] <Rocha> strange, the code doesn't call gtk_entry_new to create the widget
[11:12] <Rocha> is is possible to create the interface without C code?
[11:12] <Rocha> maybe with an xml spec of the ui?
[11:12] <Rocha> maybe the ui is defined elsewhere
[11:13] <Rocha> yup, that's it, gnome-network-properties.ui file
[11:13] <Rocha> this is really powerfull
[11:15] <c_korn> hello, when I sign the sources in jaunty there was a graphical input which also cached my passphrase for a time (gpg-agent). in karmic there seems no gpg-agnet running and so I have to type in the passphrase over and over again
[11:16] <micahg1> c_korn: gpg agent works for me...do you have gnupg-agent
[11:17] <c_korn> micahg: eh, no. didn't remeber I have to install it manually
[11:20] <slytherin> c_korn: You need to install seahorse-plugins package
[11:22] <micahg> ah, that's why I have it
[11:23] <c_korn> slytherin: do I have to uninstall gpg-agent then ? or does the plugin package depend on it ?
[11:28] <c_korn> slytherin: ok, just had to run seahorse-agent afterwards. thanks
[11:30] <Rocha> i tried to create a simple box in gtk and compiling i get this error
[11:30] <Rocha> "Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path..."
[11:31] <Rocha> how can i fix this?
[11:32] <azeem> install the Build-Depends
[11:32] <directhex> jms@osc-franzibald:~$ apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc
[11:32] <directhex> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc
[11:32] <Rocha> directhex, thanks, that's what i did
[11:33] <Rocha> it reported that it needed that .pc file so i searched google to know what package contains that file
[11:33] <Rocha> used apt-file (didn't have it), installed apt-file and just finished building the apt-file cache
[11:33] <slytherin> c_korn: seahorse-agent starts automatically at the start of session
[11:35] <c_korn> slytherin: k
[11:36] <Rocha> perfect, i can now compile C gtk programs =)
[11:36] <directhex> pfft, c
[11:37] <Rocha> the bug i want to fix is a C coded app :)
[11:37] <Rocha> *is in
[11:37]  * jpds waves at directhex.
[11:38] <Rocha> directhex, what language do you prefer?
[11:38] <directhex> i hear cool kids all use visual basic!
[11:39] <Rocha> i guess i'm not a cool kid then :D
[11:43] <Rocha> coding gtk in c is really ugly
[11:43] <Rocha> code is really verbose
[11:43] <directhex> well, c
[11:45] <Rocha> i don't know why people code apps such as network preferences dialog box in C
[11:45] <Rocha> ridiculous!
[11:47] <directhex> well, because.
[11:48] <directhex> the pain of large c gtk+ apps (specifically evolution) is why mono exists, for one.
[11:49] <Rocha> i shall look into mono
[11:51] <joaopinto> I thaugt mono was created because of .net, not because of alternatives to C for GUI developments :)
[11:53] <Rocha> i just started learning gtk with C and this sucks for event a simple window with just one button inside
[11:54] <Rocha> so i suppose mono should perform well on replacing C
[11:57] <joaopinto> Rocha, learn python
[11:58] <joaopinto> python is the prefered language for Ubuntu tools
[11:59] <Rocha> joaopinto, can you give me a reference for what you're saying please?
[12:02] <joaopinto> it is written somewhere, will need to search for it
[12:03] <joaopinto> Rocha, also you probably want to know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[12:04] <directhex> joaopinto, mono is a .net implementation, yeah, but it was started because senior folks at ximian looked at evolution & realised it sucked, and that a better development environment was worth investing in
[12:04] <Rocha> i'll look into that later :)
[12:05] <Rocha> i'm using emacs, what is recommended by the ubuntu community?
[12:05] <directhex> well, i use monodevelop ;)
[12:05] <Rocha> i suppose emacs is better for C than monodevelop :D
[12:06] <directhex> i dunno, MD has integrated debugging for c apps...
[12:06] <Rocha> emacs too
[12:06] <directhex> no python support in karmic. will be in lucid
[12:10] <Rocha> which program is used to create the UI in xml?
[12:10] <Rocha> i suppose it's not done by hand
[12:13] <azeem> Rocha: glade
[12:14] <Rocha> azeem, thanks, i'll definetly look into that
[12:16] <directhex> Rocha, glade is the most popular option. for c# apps, monodevelop has an integrated designer called stetic
[12:16] <Rocha> hmm, ok
[12:16] <Rocha> i guess i have a lot to learn
[12:16] <Rocha> at least i know C
[12:17] <Rocha> and it would be great for me to be able to fix this bug
[12:17] <Rocha> i would love to be an ubuntu contributor :)
[12:31] <turshu> hello
[12:31] <turshu> is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>still working ?
[12:38] <turshu> hello there ?
[12:38] <turshu> anybody here ?
[12:38] <slytherin> turshu: where did you get that address?
[12:38] <turshu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Junior_Contributor
[12:41] <slytherin> turshu: not sure if responses.net is proper domain
[13:02] <Rocha> what is the package that contains the dev libraries for gnome programs?
[13:07] <joaopinto> Rocha, if you mean gtk programs, apt-cache search libgtk dev
[13:08] <Rocha> i mean gnome programs, not gtk
[13:08] <Rocha> i'm trying to compiler gnome-control-center
[13:08] <randomaction> Rocha: you can install all build dependencies with apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[13:09] <Rocha> thanks, i'll try that
[13:10] <Rocha> perfect, it worked
[13:12] <Rocha> if you were heidi klum i would kiss you right now
[14:01] <fpr02> hi, i was wondering if someone could help me with trying to get a significant bug with runit fixed in karmic?
[14:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:13] <slytherin> fpr02: which bug are you talking about?
[14:14] <aidave> hello
[14:14] <aidave> i am having a very difficult time trying to get my .desktop file to show up in karmic
[14:14] <slytherin> aidave: what kind of difficulty?
[14:14] <aidave> it used to work.  now it doesnt appear.  i tried copying it exactly from abiword and still nothing
[14:14] <fpr02> slytherin: #439049
[14:15] <aidave> here is my deb installer: https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo
[14:15] <aidave> could someone take a look, install, and see what is going on?  i am at a loss
[14:15] <aidave> it installs to /usr/share/applications/kabikaboo.desktop
[14:15] <aidave> but doesnt showup
[14:16] <aidave> this is driving me nuts! :)
[14:16] <slytherin> aidave: Can you please paste your .desktop file somewhere?
[14:16] <aidave> sure
[14:17] <aidave> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aidave/kabikaboo/packaging/annotate/head%3A/kabikaboo_1.6/forms/kabikaboo.desktop
[14:18] <slytherin> fpr02: looks to be an ideal candidate for sru
[14:18] <slytherin> aidave: Does this file validate with desktop-file-validate?
[14:19] <aidave>  i dont know, i wasnt aware of that program
[14:20] <aidave> its validating, but still not showing up
[14:21] <aidave> i did modify it a bit to validate with no warnings
[14:21] <aidave> but no... nothing
[14:21] <fpr02> slytherin: OK, how do I proceed?
[14:21] <slytherin> fpr02: have you ever modified ubuntu packages before?
[14:23] <fpr02> slytherin: i've got fair experience modifying and building debian packages
[14:24] <fpr02> slytherin: presumably i need to upload a debdiff or modified package somewhere. I'm have a little trouble finding the exact process on the wiki.
[14:25] <directhex> debdiff -> bug page on launchpad
[14:26] <slytherin> fpr02: debdiff is easy. Let's say you have source for app foobar version 1.0-0ubuntu1. You modify the source, add a new changelog entry in debian/changelog, create new source package (debuild -S). then 'debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc > somefile.debdiff'
[14:27] <fpr02> slytherin: so i should create a debdiff and attach to the bug report?
[14:28] <slytherin> fpr02: yes. And then subscribe the appropriate sru team to the bug.
[14:32] <aidave> can someone please help figure out why this desktop menu item does not appear: https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo/+download
[14:42] <Rocha> i'm having a problem with the gnome-control-center bug i'm trying to fix
[14:42] <Rocha> my code compiles fine
[14:43] <Rocha> but the program doesn't run because it's looking for a file in the wrong place
[14:43] <Rocha> it is trying to open the glade ui from /usr/local/share
[14:43] <Rocha> how can i change that?
[14:43] <ari-tczew> delete your patch ?
[14:50] <slytherin> Rocha: How did you compile the program?
[14:53] <aidave> can someone please help figure out why this desktop menu item does not appear: https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo/+download
[15:15] <quadrispro> dholbach: translating by using MoinMoin -> ARGH!
[15:15] <quadrispro> :'(
[15:16] <dholbach> quadrispro: do you think you can join the packaging-docs team in LP and we discuss it on the ML there?
[15:16] <dholbach> the list is still very new
[15:16] <dholbach> but it'd be a very good topic
[15:17] <quadrispro> yes, I can
[15:17] <dholbach> super thanks
[15:18] <ari-tczew> when lucid will be open?
[15:19] <quadrispro> actually, translating this way will make me crazy
[15:19] <quadrispro> :)
[15:20] <dholbach> quadrispro: at least we can use what you already did, no matter what new idea we come up with :)
[15:20] <quadrispro> we can use the GNOME way, by using xml docs
[15:29] <gaspa> dholbach: Hi! how's going on with harvest? -EHANG? ;)
[15:29] <dholbach> gaspa: that might well be
[15:29] <dholbach> gaspa: we need a hand to get https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~harvest-dev/harvest/django going
[15:30] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Harvest/NewUI
[15:30] <dholbach> in that case it'll be much more fun again to make use of harvest
[15:30] <dholbach> and I also could get it more easily on a canonical machine :)
[15:30] <dholbach> the current code is very ugly
[15:31] <gaspa> dholbach: I'm at floor level, with django, perhaps I'm not the right person to help you :P
[15:31] <dholbach> if you're a web person, we need you :-)
[15:33] <fpr02> slytherin: OK, I believe I've done that.
[15:33] <gaspa> dholbach: :P I'm not exactly a web person :P
[15:33] <dholbach> you use it!
[15:33] <dholbach> ok, I shut up now
[15:33] <gaspa> :D
[15:33] <dholbach> in any case we need to get harvest-django rolling during lucid
[15:33] <dholbach> it'll make the world a better place
[15:34] <gaspa> is there a todo list?
[15:34] <gaspa> (yes, it is...)
[15:34] <Rocha> slytherin: i've fixed the bug, i just need to change the --prefix in ./configure
[15:34] <gaspa> erhm... empty...
[15:34] <c_korn> I have a question about dh7: I override the dh_install target to first call dh_install and then remove some files from the installation directory afterwards. problem is that I remove files in a package which is arch indep and so the installation directory is not created for archs other than i386. is there a way (other than using rm -f) to somehow make a difference between archs ?
[15:35] <dholbach> gaspa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Harvest/NewUI has mockups
[15:35] <dholbach> gaspa: I'll try to have a chat with a bunch of web people about it to try to figure out what needs doing
[15:35] <dholbach> or rather which steps they'd take to implement it
[15:35] <gaspa> nothing "backend" ? :P
[15:35] <dholbach> the backend is mostly done I'd say
[15:35] <gaspa> ok
[15:36] <dholbach> I did a bunch of it, I'm sure it's going to need to be extended over time
[15:41] <gaspa> dholbach: well, in the meantime I'll prepare my pages for lucid... (I 'm asking how many people use them... apart quadrispro)
[15:41] <dholbach> we'll still use that data with the new harvest
[15:41] <dholbach> I guess when the new harvest is usable and fun, there's going to be more people making use of the data :)
[15:42] <gaspa> and not the pages, that's cool ... I (graphically) hate them :P
[15:43] <dholbach> you can help
[15:43] <dholbach> anyway  - I'm heading out now
[15:43]  * quadrispro fighting against MoinMoin
[15:43] <dholbach> have a great WE
[15:43] <dholbach> and thanks for your work
[15:44] <carresmd> what's happening to the keyserver? It has been down for days now... (sorry if this isn't the right place, but I was redirected here by someone in #ubunu)
[15:46] <carresmd> you guys were supposed to know more about the keyserver according to the guy that send me here
[15:51] <geser> carresmd: you want to fetch a PPA key?
[15:52] <carresmd> geser, no I need to add my key to launchpad
[15:53] <proppy> Hi, it seems jikes is not available in karmic universe
[15:53] <proppy> while http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/jikes-classpath is
[15:53] <proppy> (and depends on it)
[15:54] <carresmd> geser, I've send the key to pgp.mit.edu instead. But that was useless as they don't sync when keyserver.ubuntu.com is down or whatever it is.
[15:54] <Rocha> what is the signal emitted by a spinbutton when i change it's text without using the arrows?
[15:54] <Rocha> i thought it would be "changed" because it's a subclass of GtkEntry
[15:54] <Rocha> but it doesn't work
[15:55] <geser> carresmd: in that case #launchpad would probably be better to ask or directly in the channel with the canonical sysadmins (but I forgot it's name :( )
[15:56] <proppy> it seems removed from debian unstable as well
[15:56] <carresmd> geser, could it be #canonical-sysadmin ?
[15:57] <geser> carresmd: yes, sound about right
[15:58] <proppy> (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508366)
[15:59] <proppy> nvm, I'll install it from jaunty
[16:18] <ScottK> proppy: Don't plan on using it long term.  It's just an error that I missed asking for jikes-classpath removal.
[16:24] <ScottK> proppy: IIRC you worked on poker-network before.  Any interest in fixing ours to be installable again?
[16:26] <aidave> can someone please help figure out why this desktop menu item does not appear: https://launchpad.net/kabikaboo/+download
[16:32] <proppy> ScottK: sure, but there is a lot of movement upstream currently
[16:33] <proppy> ScottK: poker-network 2.0 is in development, and the upstream pushed the last 1.x stable to debian
[16:33] <ScottK> proppy: The version we have in Karmic is uninstallable due to depending on python-xml (which we removed due to a variety of reasons).  If we could just get that fixed, that'd be a big win for now.
[16:33] <proppy> ScottK: do you have pb with installation of 1.7.5-1.1 ?
[16:34] <proppy> ScottK:
[16:34] <proppy> sure, I recently commited a fix for this upstream
[16:34] <ScottK> Dunno.  Does it depend on python-xml?
[16:34] <proppy> the new control.karmic in upstream should do the trick
[16:34] <proppy> w8
[16:35] <proppy> ScottK: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/pokersource?rev=6305&view=rev
[16:35] <proppy>  Wed Oct 21 12:09:26 2009 CEST (9 days, 6 hours ago)
[16:35] <proppy> :)
[16:36] <proppy> ScottK: sorry I should have pushed it here, before karmic release date
[16:36] <proppy> ScottK: wierd http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/python-poker-network states Package: python-poker-network (1.6.0-1.2ubuntu1)
[16:36] <proppy> but there is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/poker-network/poker-network_1.7.4-2ubuntu1.dsc
[16:37] <proppy> ScottK: should I ask a sync ?
[16:37] <jdong> heh now this is just sad.... Flash running in WINE.
[16:37] <proppy> for 1.7.5 ?
[16:37] <randomaction> Whom do I subscribe to an SRU bug? motu-sru, u-u-s, or both?
[16:39] <randomaction> Or ubuntu-sru?
[16:40] <c_korn> why does the phonon package provide phonon-backend ? shouldn't some backend do this ? (and the backends already do so)
[16:40] <jdong> randomaction: if it's a universe package, motu-sru
[16:41] <jdong> randomaction: for Universe, we'd prefer a motu-sru ACK before an upload
[16:41] <jdong> for main, the ubuntu-sru team seems to not care, or prefer the other way around
[16:43] <randomaction> ok, it's a universe package, so subscribed motu-sru
[16:44] <aidave> does anyone know how to use dpkg-buildpackage to hit all targets?
[16:44] <aidave> like -iaall or something
[16:45] <aidave> my program is python and not compiled so i dont really need 64/32 bits
[16:49] <proppy> ScottK: here ?
[16:55] <c_korn> can someone please help me with that debian/rules file ? http://pastebin.com/d6dcb6a92 I want to override the binary-indep target so the files get removed from the arch indep upp-data package. but in the build log it seems that binary-indep is also not called on an i386 arch.
[17:12] <corp186> I have a project I'm ready to release, and I would like to prepare it for getting into lucid as well
[17:12] <corp186> the source is in a lp bzr repo
[17:13] <corp186> I build packages from the branch using bzr bd
[17:13] <corp186> so I don't have release tarballs
[17:13] <Rocha> ok, i've fixed my first ubuntu/gnome bug
[17:13] <Rocha> to whom should i send the changes and how?
[17:13] <corp186> is it required to have ubuntu packages based around release tarballs and diffs, or can my bzr branch be the source package itself?
[17:17] <siretart`> corp186: the source package format requires the sources to be available as tarballs. the buildscripts are in most cases added as "diff"
[17:18] <corp186> siretart`: when you say "the source package format requires the sources to be avaialble as tarballs", are you meaning build wise or ubuntu-wise?
[17:18] <corp186> because lp builds the packages just fine the way they are
[17:19] <randomaction> Rocha: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[17:19] <siretart`> the source package format defines a non-native source package as a .dsc file, a .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz
[17:19] <siretart`> lp buildds only accept this kind of source package for ppas
[17:20] <randomaction> Rocha: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates if you want your fix included in karmic
[17:22] <corp186> siretart`: I think I was confusing things in my head: bzr builddeb -S creates my source packages for me
[17:22] <corp186> so from that standpoint, are source packages created by bzr bd -S acceptable for inclusion into ubuntu?
[17:22] <Rocha> randomaction, thanks, i'm also reading Bugs/HowToFix from the wiki
[17:22] <siretart`> corp186: sure!
[17:22] <corp186> my concern is partly due to the whole "watch" files thing
[17:23] <siretart`> if you don't have releases, there is no point in checking for a new release
[17:23] <corp186> I don't know that much about it, but I know that they are supposed to watch for tarball version changes and such
[17:24] <corp186> I suppose I'll probably cut a release tarball
[17:24] <corp186> and have a watch file to watch for the release tarballs
[17:24] <corp186> even though it's not necessary when I'm the maintainer of both the source and the packaging
[17:29] <ScottK> proppy: Back.
[17:29] <proppy> ScottK: welcome back :)
[17:29] <ScottK> proppy: So poker-network is OK just dropping the build-dep.  No other changes needed?
[17:30] <ScottK> proppy: For Lucid, look at the existing Ubuntu diff and make sure it's all in the Debian package, then ask for sync.
[17:30] <proppy> ScottK: I'll compute the diff between control.jaunty and control.karmic w8
[17:30] <Rocha> hmm, creating a deb package with my changes is not easy
[17:30] <Rocha> i guess i'll try to just send the diff to someone
[17:31] <proppy> ScottK: yes, http://pastebin.com/f389b0a61 is the only diff in debian dirs
[17:32] <ScottK> proppy: You might want to suggest to the Debian maintainer that he move to python-support.  Python-central is getting pretty agressively deprecated in Debian.
[17:32] <proppy> ScottK: I also fixed python path issue with python 2.6
[17:32] <proppy><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:32] <ScottK> Rocha: If you can just attach your patch to the bug and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, someone else can make it into a debdiff.  It'll just take longer to get in.
[17:33] <ScottK> proppy: If I get a fixed poker-network into Karmic, can you test it?
[17:33] <Rocha> ScottK, i'll try to create a deb myself then
[17:33] <proppy> ScottK: sure, I could help to get it fixed too
[17:34] <proppy> what do you want me to do ?
[17:34] <proppy> "look at the existing Ubuntu diff and make sure it's all in the Debian package" ?
[17:34] <proppy> ScottK: as I said earlier I'm confused about the ubuntu package in karmic, because source packages seems 1.7.4-2 and binary is 1.6.0-1.2ubuntu1
[17:35] <ScottK> proppy: That's because 1.7.4-2 failed to build
[17:35] <proppy> ScottK: is there a bug # for the FTBS ?
[17:35] <proppy> ah python-xml ?
[17:36] <ScottK> Yes
[17:36] <ScottK> I guess
[17:36] <proppy> looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/poker-network/poker-network_1.7.4-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:36] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poker-network has a lot of failed to install bugs.
[17:36] <ScottK> I think the only diff was the 2.6 stuff.
[17:36] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poker-network/1.7.4-2ubuntu1
[17:37] <proppy> +  * Merge from Debian unstable, remaining Ubuntu change:
[17:37] <proppy> +    - debian/python-poker{-network, 2d, -prizes, -stats}.install: use
[17:37] <proppy> +      wildcards
[17:39] <proppy> ScottK: ah so ubuntu patch see to be *-packages instead of site-packages in *.install ?
[17:39] <ScottK> proppy: Yes, because Python 2.6 installs to dist-packages
[17:40] <proppy> ScottK: I can forward this patch to upstream, but it will go in 2.0
[17:40] <ScottK> OK.
[17:40] <proppy> ScottK: I'm not sure the maintainer can do another 1.7.5 upload in debian
[17:40] <proppy> I'll ask
[17:40] <ScottK> Can it go into Debian?
[17:40] <ScottK> Why not?
[17:41] <ScottK> I can have it NMU'ed if you'd prefer.
[17:41] <proppy> ScottK: because current svn is 2.0
[17:41] <ScottK> Several DD are on a campaign to get ready for Python 2.6 in Debian.
[17:41] <ScottK> Shouldn't affect what can go in Debian.
[17:42] <proppy> ScottK: ah so the trick would be to publish a 1.7.5-2 ?
[17:42] <proppy> without altering the tarball ?
[17:42] <ScottK> Yes.  Exactly.
[17:42] <proppy> ScottK: but make sure that it also in poker-network 2.0 SVN
[17:42] <ScottK> Yes
[17:43] <proppy> ScottK: is there a way to get the complete ubuntu patch from a -ubuntu1 packages ?
[17:43] <proppy> sorry I don't remember
[17:44] <Rocha> do i need to create a public key for debuild?
[17:44] <proppy> it is been a long time since I've been involved in MOTU stuff :)
[17:44] <Rocha> debuild is failing because "secret key not available"
[17:44] <proppy> at the time there was a thing called DaD and MoM
[17:45] <Rocha> debsign is aborting with a gpg error
[17:45] <Rocha> i really need documentation on how to create a package
[17:46] <ScottK> proppy: http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/poker-network/poker-network_1.7.4-2ubuntu1.patch
[17:46] <ScottK> Rocha: Pass -us -uc to debuild and it won't sign
[17:46]  * ScottK is off for a while again
[17:46] <Rocha> ScottK, thanks
[17:50] <proppy> ScottK: it's strange because when I build manually poker-network under karmic
[17:50] <proppy> dpkg -c doesn't anything in site nor dist-packages
[17:51] <Rocha> perfect, i know have a debdiff =)
[17:57] <proppy> ScottK: applied ubuntu patch upstream
[17:58] <proppy> note that poker2d is no more in 2.0
[18:16] <Rocha> ScottK, i've attached the debdiff to the bug in launchpad
[18:22] <Rocha> now i need a developer to review my patch
[18:42] <nanotube> not sure if this is the right place to ask... but: does anyone know why libstdc++5 was removed from universe in karmic? a number of third-party binaries depend on it, could it be reinstated? as it is now one has to manually grab the .deb from jaunty in order to make things work.
[18:47] <micahg> nanotube: from LP: Deleted        in        karmic-release                                 (Reason:          (From Debian) RoM; obsolete)
[18:47] <randomaction> nanotube: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536776
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> nanotube, it¡s because gcc-3.3 has been removed. Program that still depends on it should be recompiled
[18:47] <fabrice_sp_> too late :-)
[18:49] <nanotube> hmm... kinda sucks...
[18:50] <fabrice_sp_> nanotube: what packages did you find that required it?
[18:50] <nanotube> fabrice_sp_: specifically, the mozilla thunderbird binary from mozilla.org
[18:51] <Rocha> i noticed that gnome-control-center has a bzr branch in launchpad
[18:51] <nanotube> fabrice_sp_: but i've seen people talk about a few others too
[18:51] <fabrice_sp_> nanotube, Ubuntu has thunderbird in it (I'm using it)
[18:51] <Rocha> should i also branch it, put my fix there and propose a merge?
[18:51] <nanotube> fabrice_sp_: yes, i know it has.
[18:51] <fabrice_sp_> Rocha, you can. Or you can also generate a debdiff
[18:52] <fabrice_sp_> gcc 3.3 is from 2005...
[18:52] <Rocha> fabrice_sp_, i generated a debdiff and attached to the bug on launchpad
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> Rocha - what fix?
[18:53] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, bug #226748
[18:53] <chrisccoulson> Rocha - could you send the patch upstream please?
[18:54] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, can you give me a link with instructions on how to do that?
[18:54] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, i only started today with this bug fixing thing, i'm a complete newbie
[18:54] <chrisccoulson> it looks like a corner case, and probably isn't worth a SRU now. and we already have so many patches in our g-c-c package, that we should avoid applying our own patches without sending them upstream
[18:55] <ari-tczew> is lucid just open?
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> Rocha - you can open a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ , and attach the patch there
[18:56] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, ok, i'll do that
[18:56] <chrisccoulson> thanks for your work too
[18:57] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, i'm glad i could help :)
[18:58] <Rocha> i'll try to help with other bugs that i find
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> excellent :)
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> Rocha - i haven't had a look at your patch in any great detail, but one comment i have is that upstream can be quite picky about formatting ;)
[18:59] <Rocha> i've found some bugs today and i'll report them on monday (i don't have internet access at home)
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> it's normally a good idea to stick to the coding style already used in the file you're patching
[19:00] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, i tried to stick with the coding style
[19:00] <Rocha> i suppose i haven't changed it
[19:00] <chrisccoulson> in the case of g-c-c, they tend to use "foo (" rather than "foo(" when calling functions
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> so there is always a space there
[19:01] <Rocha> hmmm, i see
[19:01] <Rocha> if they reject the patch i can surely fix that
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> just a minor nitpick, because the upstream developers tend to pick up on minor details like that ;)
[19:05] <Rocha> chrisccoulson, i tried to do copy-pasting of the gtk because i never used gtk
[19:05] <Rocha> so i guess my code is following the owners own style
[19:05] <chrisccoulson> that's ok :)
[19:33] <ScottK> nanotube: Because it was ancient, not supportable, and not needed by anything except proprietary stuff we don't support.
[19:45] <hyperair> YokoZar: the mesa patch has been accepted upstream, and a debdiff including the patch has been attached (bug #248392)
[20:11] <c_korn> if I want to write a new binary target for debian/rules can I still use %: dh $@ or do I have to explicitely write all other targets, like: build: dh $@ ; clean: dh $@ ... ?
[20:31] <sistpoty> hi folks
[20:32] <iulian> Hey sistpoty.
[20:32] <sistpoty> hi iulian
[20:33] <sistpoty> is lucid already open? (just saw lucid entries in packages.u.c.)
[20:34] <sebner> huhu sistpoty iulian :D
[20:34] <sistpoty> oh, just see it now... pre-release freeze
[20:34] <sistpoty> hi sebner
[20:34] <sebner> sistpoty: I've seen some toolchain uploads (debhelper) but some other stuff too
[20:34]  * sistpoty subscribes to lucid-changes
[20:35] <sebner> sistpoty: As a serious student I just can't use lucid as I only have 1 productive machine *cough* :P
[20:35] <sistpoty> heh
[20:36] <sistpoty> oh, damn, I should dist-upgrade to lucid now (hoping that nothing is broken yet *g*)
[20:41] <sebner> sistpoty: hahaha! no need to. We have nexuiz everywhere! \o/
[20:42] <sistpoty> :)
[20:52] <iulian> Hi sebner.
[22:35] <ScottK> Lucid pbuilder is ready to go.
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> toolchain's up already?
[22:37]  * sistpoty believed he had managed to not too much encourage that certain person on -devel. /me was obviously wrong and feels sorry
[22:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Mostly.
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> that was quick
[22:38] <ScottK> I just dist-upgraded my karmic pbuilder and I'm making a new one of those.
[22:38] <lifeless> debootrap patched?
[22:39] <ScottK> IIRC it was done before release.
[22:46] <wgrant> Does anybody who watches Debian closer than I know of any timeline for the new source formats?
[22:47] <ScottK> wgrant: All I know is getting it working was a target of this week's ftp-master sprint and a lot of people want it sooner rather than later.
[22:47] <ScottK> wgrant: I think it would be risky for Ubuntu to start autosync without support.
[22:48] <wgrant> ScottK: OK. I'll assume that I'll need to get it CPed during LP 3.1.11, then.
[22:48] <wgrant> That reminds me, I must also test the syncer.
[22:48]  * wgrant tries to work out how to do that.
[23:37] <adurity> Trying to install vim-rails but it has a dependency on vim-full which doesn't exist in Karmic...
[23:38] <zooko> ScottK: interested in looking for packages which were miscompiled by the bad GNU as?
[23:39] <sistpoty> zooko: I thought we were clear of them?
[23:40] <zooko> sistpoty: ah, maybe someone already looked into it and determined that no packages were adversely affected?
[23:40] <zooko> Last I heard, there was the possibility that some packages in Karmic might have been mis-assembled.
[23:40] <zooko> Wow us.archive.ubuntu.com is slow today.  :-)
[23:40] <sistpoty> zooko: I only know about toolchain issues... but I believe these might fall under "miscompiled by as"... do you have a list?
[23:40] <sistpoty> (just to verify)
[23:41] <zooko> I don't have a list.  I was thinking of proposing that someone who knows the ubuntu archive system help me generate a list of candidates.
[23:41] <zooko> First filter would be "the thing was uploaded between the time of the bad binutils and the time of the good binutils".
[23:41] <zooko> Next criterion would probably be "thing has the string '.intel_syntax' in one of its source files".
[23:41] <dtchen> zooko: kees responded to you earlier in #ubuntu-devel about that issue
[23:42] <dtchen> 23:44 < kees> zooko: we did that yesterday and reviewed all the matches --  none were built after the buggy binutils was in the distro.  lucky  us!
[23:42] <jpds> zooko: Yeah, check out what it's doing, dude: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/
[23:42] <zooko> dtchen: oh, thanks!
[23:42] <sistpoty> zooko: yes, that was exactly what we triaged already :)
[23:42] <zooko> Great!  Good work, folks!
[23:43] <sistpoty> thank kees and ScottK for doing it ;)
[23:43] <jpds> zooko: FWIW, us.archive does not point at a US mirror, but rather London/Sweden mostly.
[23:44] <zooko> jpds: hm, so I have a beautifully fast mirror, but it doesn't have the fixed binutils yet, so I switched back to us.archive.
[23:44] <zooko> Wait, why does "US" .archive live in Europe?
[23:44] <zooko> Oh, I see that us.archive doesn't have the fixed binutils either.
[23:44] <sistpoty> the US is part of the european union now :P
[23:45] <jpds> zooko: Because noone has stepped up to take the load.
[23:45] <zooko> sistpoty: :-)
[23:47] <zooko> Hrm, so the bug is marked "fix released" but the updated binutils is still somewhere between "released" 11 hours ago and in the main apt repo?
[23:47] <dtchen> zooko: that's because karmic is frozen. The fixed version is in karmic-proposed.
[23:47] <zooko> Maybe I need to add karmic-updates or karmic-proposed or something?
[23:47] <zooko> Thanks.
[23:47] <dtchen>   * Fix PR gas/10856, wrong code with assembler files in intel syntax.
[23:47] <dtchen>     Patch taken from the 2.20 branch. LP: #461303.
[23:48] <zooko> So when will it go into the main apt repo for karmic?
[23:48] <dtchen> it won't. karmic is frozen.
[23:48] <dtchen> it will follow StableReleaseUpdates procedure and then go into karmic-updates if it passes.
[23:49] <zooko> I see.  Thanks.
[23:49] <dtchen> (wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates)


[06:15] <nigelb> hrm, I didn't know sinzui was a Gnome/gtk person as well.
[06:16] <nigelb> Ah,gedit developer plugins.
[06:25]  * StevenK grumbles at Jenkins four persistant test failures
[06:28] <StevenK> ... which don't fail on db-devel. Bleh.
[06:33] <nigelb> StevenK: I will gladly grumble more about buildbot
[06:33] <nigelb> :)
[06:34] <StevenK> No one else seems to
[06:35] <nigelb> My merge is pending because of buildbot :(
[06:37] <StevenK> No, your merge was rejected due to buildbot-poller and testfix mode
[06:37] <nigelb> oh.
[06:41] <StevenK> buildbot just handles builds of devel and db-devel. buildbot-poller runs via cron, and checks to see how the last builds finished and changes the config of PQM.
[06:55] <nigelb> Ahhh.
[07:21] <StevenK> nigelb: A build has been forced, so we are likely out of testfix if you want your branch landed
[07:24] <nigelb> StevenK: \o/
[07:24]  * nigelb heads for lunch and offline-ish things
[07:29] <StevenK> Which requires me to know which branch ... :-)
[08:02]  * G can't get my dev instance of launchpad working with e-mail :S
[08:20] <wgrant> G: What's not sending mail?
[08:20] <wgrant> G: Appserver mail will go to root@localhost. Script mail is not sent at all.
[08:21] <G> wgrant: yeah, I think I just realised my problem... bug mail is scripted
[08:21] <wgrant> send-bug-notifications.py -vv or so
[08:22] <G> I've got postfix setup as a localhost mail server, with @canonical.com @ubuntu.com going to my user's mbox
[08:23] <wgrant> Dev appservers redirect mail to root@localhost, and scripts (well, all those that use zopeless, which is just about all) send to nowhere. Most scripts will output the mail to stderr when given a -v or two.
[08:24] <wgrant> I run LP is a lucid LXC container... I have script mail turned on there, because its postfix relays through my host, which delivers everything to my user.
[08:25] <G> wgrant: how did you enable the script-mail?
[08:25] <wgrant> I may tell you once you ensure everything goes to a local user, not just @canonical.com and @ubuntu.com :)
[08:25] <G> wgrant: oh I have :)
[08:26] <wgrant> Tested various non-Canonicalish domains, and none leave your machine?
[08:26] <wgrant> Anyway, for bug notifications just give send-bug-notifications.py a couple of -vs, and it will show you what it "sends"/.
[08:27] <G> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/681695/
[08:29] <wgrant> The second one resulted in an NDR...
[08:29] <G> wgrant: yep, but so does my real @gmail.com
[08:31] <G> I've got inet_interfaces set to loopback_only & default_transport to error
[08:32] <wgrant> Ah. I use default_transport = local, luser_relay = wgrant
[08:32] <G> and I have virtual_alias_maps w/ @canonical.com & @ubuntu.com njones
[08:33] <G> don't worry, it was the first thing I checked, last thing I wanted to do, was spam Mark Shuttleworth :)
[08:33] <StevenK> It would be amusing.
[08:33] <StevenK> For those of us that aren't you, that is.
[08:34] <G> hahah yeah ):
[08:35] <G> only reason why I want to play w/ bug e-mails is because I think I spotted a bug where e-mails are sent out in the wrong order
[08:35] <wgrant> I only know of one case.
[08:35] <wgrant> Subscribed/assigned emails can be sent from the appserver.
[08:35] <wgrant> During the request.
[08:36] <wgrant> So they're not queued like the rest.
[08:36] <wgrant> It can be a bit strange.
[08:36] <wgrant> I forget exact details.
[08:36] <wgrant> Anyway, in configs/development/launchpad-lazr.conf, right down the bottom, there should be a sinzui comment about zopeless mail. Flip that setting.
[08:38] <G> well take this for example: http://dev.nigelj.com/buge-mail.png logically speaking, the [NEW] should arrive before the non [NEW]
[08:39] <G> but I've also seen it recently when doing: assign to me, + comment at the same time
[09:06] <wgrant> G: That's probably more to do with the Message-IDs and References headers. Have you checked the timestamps?
[09:09] <G> wgrant: yeah, 2 seconds in it
[09:09] <G> wgrant: which makes me think it's the order it's put in the queue
[09:10] <G> hmmm looks like watching TV + LP 'make run' and the python send bug mail script is too much for my laptop
[09:10] <wgrant> G: [NEW] is probably sent direct from the appserver.
[09:10] <wgrant> Yeah, LP likes its RAM.
[09:10] <wgrant> Particularly on amd64.
[09:10] <wgrant> Yay Python.
[09:10] <G> wgrant: I had a poke round, and it seems they are both sent the same way
[09:11] <G> I think it's a case of wrong order, which is why I wanted the e-mails via postfix just to test the theory and have everything in one place
[09:11] <G> LP likes it's RAM, and TV likes it GPU/CPU for the h264
[09:12] <wgrant> G: If you have an example from production, the headers will tell you where they are sent. loganberry/ackee run send-bug-notifications and other scripts, while chaenomeles/gac/soybean/wampee run appservers.
[09:12] <G> wgrant: ahhh thanks
[09:12] <G> in that cause you are right
[09:13] <G> [NEW] comes from the appservers, the others are from send-bug...
[09:13]  * G takes it servers are named after fruits or something there?
[09:13] <wgrant> There have been a few naming schemes.
[09:14] <wgrant> First was penguins. Which is why there is gentoo.ubuntu.com.
[09:14] <wgrant> Then there were Antarctic bases.
[09:14] <G> oh I thought that was a big joke
[09:14] <wgrant> Then elements (you'll see lots of these on https://launchpad.net/builders)
[09:14] <G> I'd seen it mentioned somewhere
[09:14] <wgrant> Then fruits.
[09:14] <wgrant> And now stars, although there aren't many of them yet.
[09:15] <G> heh, Native New Zealand Birds for my network + VPS'
[09:15] <G> unfortunately some aren't overly suitable, because although they are Maori, they could be read the wrong way :)
[09:16] <wgrant> There have been a number of names vetoed, sadly :(
[09:17] <G> I bet :)
[09:23] <G> come to think of it, amazing that only 4 machines are needed to run the main part of launchpad.net
[09:25] <wgrant> There are lots more behind the scenes, but yes, those four serve all the production appserver requests.
[09:26] <G> oh yeah, I saw some comment the other day about the DB servers and that
[09:27] <G> and I'd hate to think how much storage is backing the PPAs and that but still
[09:27] <wgrant> A bit :)
[09:29] <G> (For what it's worth I used to be a Fedora guy, but I kept running into brick walls, and PPAs was actually something that converted me
[09:29] <G> hated having to roll my own RPMs and keeping track of them somehow
[09:29] <wgrant> Arch has AUR, openSUSE has OBS... does Fedora have anything?
[09:30] <G> not unless they added something to Koji in the last year
[09:30] <G> (Koji been the buildsystem)
[09:32] <wgrant> I've never understood that. Everyone else has a TLA... even Debian. But noooo, Fedora just has to go and use a word instead :P
[09:32] <G> haha
[09:33] <G> but yeah, one of the things I like about Launchpad, is that it's all interconnected like it should be
[09:33] <G> (at least imo)
[09:33] <wgrant> Well, a bit :)
[09:34] <G> Fedora has about 5 or 6 core 'applications' and then they still have to use RH's Bugzilla ;)
[09:34] <wgrant> There is great benefit in having them all linked together. But also a significant cost with the current way things are done.
[09:34] <wgrant> ie. a 650KLOC monolithic Zope webapp.
[09:35] <wgrant> But things are moving in the right direction now.
[09:35] <G> tbh, I thought Zope had died out
[09:36] <wgrant> I'm not sure that Zope 3 was ever really alive.
[09:46] <G> hmmm can't seem to confirm the bug I was looking for but I think I found a completely different one
[09:47] <G> It wouldn't be an issue for launchpad.net, but for instance, my machine is +1200, script mail, comes through with the correct date/time, but e-mail from the app layer, comes through at NZST, but saying it's -0000
[09:47] <wgrant> Yeah, there's a bug for that.
[09:48] <wgrant> Until a year or so ago the appservers ran in BST, so some mail was hour off for a few months a year.
[09:48] <wgrant> I'm pretty sure I filed it years ago...
[09:49] <wgrant> Bug #262040
[09:49] <_mup_> Bug #262040: Bogus timestamps on some unbatched bugmail <email> <lp-bugs> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/262040 >
[10:57] <LPCIBot> Project devel build #1,030: STILL FAILING in 4 hr 38 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/devel/1030/
[13:10] <G> wgrant: btw, thanks for the help before, managed to get at least one of the issues I wanted sorted
[14:32] <nigelb> staging is down?
[18:05] <nigelb> I love who StevenK's branches are always deleting or killing or burning :D
[18:05] <nigelb> *how
[18:05] <nigelb> GAH
[21:57] <mwhudson> qa-ing merge proposals on qastating seems to be fun
[22:55] <wgrant> mwhudson: All the files are restricted, so yeah, you basically have to create a new one.
[22:55] <mwhudson> yeah, it's not so bad i guess, just a bit tedious
[22:59] <wallyworld_> wgrant: i have a packaging question for you. i upgraded to oneiric beta over the w/e and it hosed my system so i reinstalled from scratch
[22:59] <wallyworld_> wgrant:  and now lp devel dependencies won't install
[22:59] <wallyworld_> because postgressql-8.4-debversion can't be installed
[22:59] <wgrant> What's the error?
[22:59] <wgrant> Hmm.
[22:59] <wgrant> Ah.
[22:59] <wgrant> It's only here for 9.1
[23:00] <wgrant> Grab it from Natty for now.
[23:00] <wallyworld_> because libapt-pkg.4.11 is instgalled with oneiric and it needs libapt-pkg4.10
[23:00] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:00] <wallyworld_> i forced libapt-pkg-4.10 to install
[23:00] <wallyworld_> but synaptic keeps removing it
[23:00] <wallyworld_> because it says it's broken
[23:00] <wgrant> It is.
[23:01] <wgrant> GIve me a few minutes and I'll have an oneiric postgresql-8.4-debversion in the PPA...
[23:01] <wallyworld_> cool! thanks
[23:01] <wallyworld_> i don't know much about this stuff
[23:01] <wgrant> But you should use a lucid LXC :)
[23:02] <wallyworld_> wgrant: yeah, haven't reinstalled lxc yet
[23:02] <wallyworld_> but lp does run ok with my current broken set up
[23:04] <wgrant> Hmm. We really should upgrade to 9.1 soon.
[23:05] <wallyworld_> yes, an upgrade to 9.1 would be good
[23:05] <wallyworld_> scary though given the pain with 8.3->8.4
[23:15] <wgrant> Hmm, not sure if the new version will actually build with 8.4. May have to rename the old one and build that as well.
[23:22] <wallyworld_> wgrant: i think this happened because there was a recent apt upgrade in oneiric. so is your system broken yet? or are you yet to see this issue locally?
[23:22] <wgrant> wallyworld_: I use LXC :)
[23:23] <wallyworld_> ah of course
[23:23] <wallyworld_> i'll reinstall lxc but the memory saving didn't seem worth the hassle. but this on the other hand...
[23:43] <wgrant> wallyworld_: Could you test the postgresql-8.4-debversion from ppa:wgrant/experimental?
[23:43] <wgrant> It finally built.
[23:43] <wallyworld_> wgrant: sure will. thanks very much
[23:44]  * wallyworld_ opens synaptic
[23:48] <wallyworld_> wgrant: it works \o/
[23:48] <wgrant> Yay.
[23:48]  * wgrant copies.
[23:48] <wallyworld_> now all i need to do is disable zeitgeist because it keeps easting all my cpu and oneiric is looking good


[00:14] <m0nkey_> diddledan, writing said letter to Moto.. http://pastebin.com/Sz8kSy02
[00:28] <daftykins> the text should be red, when you send it in
[00:32] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:32] <m0nkey_> I've changed a few things
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <MartijnV1S> \o
[07:13]  * zmoylan-pi casts bleary eye at morning...
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning :)
[08:20] <xplora1a> Morning...
[08:21] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: long time no insults, how are you?
[08:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: fandiddlytastic
[08:31] <czajkowski> little bit busy which is all good :)
[08:31] <czajkowski> and your good self davmor2 ?
[08:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: a little busy.....pfffff I wish I was only a little busy ;)
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wily Werewolf welease day! 😃
[08:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: well in my case a litle is others a lot, I'
[08:36] <czajkowski> ve 4 conferences next week that we're taking part in, writing a talk for next month in ireland, and running a new program for community contributors to get involved in couchbase. Producing a newsletter and general work :)
[08:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: this seems apt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMsAYgoL3Y  along with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6poz7dbmhE&list=PLcP6rKpF5qeST7LmR0v9ZYN95HhsK8WL1
[08:41] <TwistedLucidity> JamesTait: Is it no "Where the **** is my hoverboard?" day?
[08:42] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: that was yesterday
[08:42] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I was allowing 24hrs for delivery
[08:42] <JamesTait> Hahah!
[08:43] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you didn't order from argos to get it on the same day?
[08:43] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: time waster
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> You know what comes after "Yay! Hoverboard!" day?  "Why didn't I buy a full-face helmet and now need an emergency dentist appointment" day
[08:45] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: well apparently you fall in water which will likely give you a cold so chemist run for cold remedies day
[08:46] <JamesTait> Here's your hoverboard: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hoverboard-duru-1.3270569?utm_content=bufferada04&ut
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:36] <foobarry> got software raid on my i7 box for my /home but i get laggy terminal sessions etc. i think its a bit slow
[09:36] <foobarry> raid1
[09:36] <foobarry> is that normal
[09:38] <popey> what type of software raid?
[09:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: that's more a large drone with a man standing on it to be honest ;)
[09:44] <foobarry> mdadm, raid1, 2x1TB sata drives
[09:51] <popey> what kernel version?
[09:56] <foobarry>  3.19.0-31-generic #36~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 8 10:21:08 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:56] <popey> what else is it doing at the time? it's not rebuilding?
[09:57] <popey> I'd be doing the usual top / iotop / nethogs etc
[09:57] <foobarry> its not really provable, just a perception
[09:57] <popey> look at /proc/mdstat
[09:57] <foobarry> opening a browser is slow
[09:57] <foobarry> md0 : active raid1 sdb2[1] sda2[0] 874229568 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
[10:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude
[10:34] <bigcalm> Hiya
[11:31] <davmor2> why is chemical brothers song called hey boy hey girl when the lyrics are the other way round
[11:32] <directhex> marketing!
[11:33] <davmor2> directhex: if that was the case they would just call it hey girl and have some half naked women on the cover in an ibiza esque stylee
[11:34] <directhex> as opposed to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/HeyBoyHeyGirl.jpg ?
[11:34] <davmor2> directhex: so not marketing
[11:36] <Laney> write to your MP asking for an urgent question to be tabled in the house
[11:36] <popey> :)
[11:37] <davmor2> Laney: good plan might stop them screwing up the country
[11:37] <directhex> can someone give me a convincing answer to "why are there tractors in Pixar's Cars"?
[11:37] <popey> what else would the farmer have?
[11:37] <Laney> they could make songs with misleading or incorrect titles illegal
[11:38] <popey> The farmer being the combine I guess.
[11:38] <directhex> popey: no, see, there are cows in real life because meat and milk. cars replaces cows with tractors. so why are there tractors?
[11:38] <davmor2> directhex: because tractors rock and don't you forget it, there are also lorries, planes and helicopters, pickup trucks etc
[11:39] <popey> tractors pull farm machinery
[11:39] <directhex> not in Cars!
[11:39] <popey> they dont get seen doing that
[11:39] <popey> but that doesn't mean they don't
[11:40] <directhex> why is there even a farm?
[11:40] <popey> they plow
[11:40] <popey> or plough
[11:40] <popey> http://pixar.wikia.com/wiki/Tractors
[11:40] <popey> that quotes the blueray disney disc where they say that
[11:40] <popey> "They enjoy what they do, plowing through the fields on a nice warm day, and then falling asleep under the moonlight"
[11:41] <directhex> why do they plough?!
[11:41] <popey> Who else would plough?
[11:41] <directhex> it's clearly hay they're growing on that farm. why do they have hay?
[11:41] <popey> No other vehicle is built for it, Tractors are
[11:42] <davmor2> directhex: that can be the next question for the mps to debate over send it in ;)
[11:50] <awilkins> In "Planes" the Indian machine society venerates tractors like Indian Hindu's  venerate cows
[11:51] <awilkins> At the beginning I went "WTF, the hero is a crop-duster, why do machines grow crops?"
[11:51] <awilkins> But they correctly went with the "vegetable sources of fuel" argument on that one
[11:51] <popey> directhex: they need the hay for this guys hat http://imgur.com/o5yzNDY
[11:51] <directhex> that's straw not hay!
[11:52] <popey> pffft
[11:52] <popey> potato / potato
[11:52] <davmor2> man you guys really need to get a life :D
[11:53] <directhex> but is it a normal life, or an inexplicably car-based life?
[11:53] <awilkins> Why do the vehicles fall in love??!?
[11:54] <awilkins> I mean, you don't see any baby buggies or whatever driving around
[11:54] <davmor2> awilkins: they have for ever look at herbie
[11:54] <awilkins> I suppose in Cars 1 Mc Queen has some japanese schoolgirl type car groupies
[11:54] <directhex> how does a car "grow up" anyway? i mean, why would you build a racecar like mcqueen and he not immediately race?
[11:54] <awilkins> But they could just be adult cars being kawaii
[11:54] <directhex> we know they have parents, you see lots of parents in cars 2 in italy
[11:54] <directhex> but *how* are they related?
[11:55] <awilkins> They go down the car factory and pick chassis and trim together?
[11:56] <awilkins> (if it's a VW camper van, do they make sure the carpet matches the drapes?   *ducks*)
[11:56] <diplo> Or you could just enjoy it for the kids film it is, not educational ? :D
[11:56] <popey> shush diplo :)
[11:56] <diplo> Don't think my kids have ever asked any of those questions
[11:56] <diplo> hahahah
[11:57] <davmor2> directhex: Well this is a topic that should of been brought up at school, but basically, a mommy and daddy get together and mommy becomes pregnant........
[11:57] <directhex> also the cars in cars die of old age? yet apparently the parts can all get replaced?
[11:57] <directhex> like... doc hudson is dead in cars 2, and radiator springs' founder is dead in cars 1. yet in cars 2, apparently replacing an engine is nbd, so i dunno?
[11:58] <davmor2> directhex: but it was the doc that replaced the engine he couldn't do that on himself durrr :D
[11:59] <davmor2> so popey Tim Vine, hilarious as ever I hope?
[12:00] <popey> very
[12:00] <popey> It was proper laugh a minute
[12:03] <davmor2> popey: yeah him and milton jones the masters of the one liners, beautifully timed and very clever
[12:03] <popey> yeaha
[12:04] <davmor2> I still think bill bailey is my favourite though
[12:04] <directhex> he's fun live
[13:20] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[13:21] <MooDoo> :)
[13:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're slacking
[13:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: done my bit I found all the bugs :P
[13:27] <bigcalm> All of them?
[13:28] <bigcalm> No package updates after this release!
[13:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: all the ones I care about
[13:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: no lots to fix the issues I found :)
[13:32] <bigcalm> I'm sure it'll be a good release
[13:35] <MooDoo> I thought it was interesting marks announcement about x, don't think he really mentioned desktop, there is going to be one isn't there ? :)
[13:40] <popey> Of course :)
[13:42] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[13:43] <bigcalm> Aww
[13:43]  * bigcalm lurks
[13:43] <bigcalm> !isubuntumate15.10outyet
[13:43] <bigcalm> That's true
[13:50] <sebsebseb> hi
[13:53] <MooDoo> hello
[14:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm so gonna slap you
[14:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: do it do it :)
[14:12] <davmor2> MooDoo: your next on the list :P
[14:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah yeah yeah
[14:46] <davmor2> MooDoo, bigcalm: you'll be glad to know it's out now
[14:47] <bigcalm> Lovely
[14:51] <MooDoo> !isitoutyet
[14:51] <MooDoo> lol
[14:51] <bashrc> \o/
[14:52] <MooDoo> guess i'll dist upgrade later to see what I was missing lol
[14:52] <daftykins> a chap over in -discuss was telling me of a showstopper upgrade bug that was pretty nasty sounding, late last night
[14:52] <daftykins> proper 11th hour fix
[15:23] <davmor2> daftykins: if you only knew
[15:23] <daftykins> ?
[15:25] <davmor2> daftykins: there were 17 issues with upgrades and those are just the ones we knew about with a default set of apps
[15:25] <daftykins> :)
[15:26] <daftykins> so what's the deal, do folk on a 15.04 install have to be fully up to date before they move?
[15:27] <davmor2> daftykins: the upgrade tool will only allow you to update the current system if it is out of date once it is up to date and you reboot if needed it will then dist-upgrade
[15:27] <davmor2> daftykins: been like that for a while
[15:28] <daftykins> ah ok, i'm only curious for folk coming into #ubuntu - i don't believe in upgrades personally
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> dos 2.0 is good enough for everyone :-)
[16:37] <SuperEngineer> Anyone investigated the price of a 15.10 t-shirt via the omgubuntu link on twitter... thought I'd order one [nice design etc.] total billing cost in UK=£17.70 hurumph!
[16:38] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: yeah the p&p is a wonder from them
[16:38] <zmoylan-pi> for that price it would have to include popey sweat... :-)
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, are you trying to tell me that it doesn't? I assumed it did!
[16:39]  * SuperEngineer cancels order... reason: no popey sweat ;-)
[16:40] <SuperEngineer> ...& declares Linux Outlast status!
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> *Outlaw even ;-)
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> Dear OMG Ubuntu shop ... annoy again & I will send the boys round
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> disguised as penguins... they'll just think it's a delivery gone rogue...
[16:43] <SuperEngineer> [sorry, sexist threat there... I will send gender determinate & indeterminate in one big giggling assault[
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> And if that fails I will send the Chinese leader [he's finished with UK Queen & now free to visit you in orfder to bamboozle you into saying yes to any jike he wants you to believe[
[16:47]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist for polital comment
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> *polical
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[16:50] <SuperEngineer> A baby born three months early was kept warm by doctors with the help of a supermarket sandwich bag, her mother reveals - What did she reveal?!
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> ...bet it wasn't the true cost of a 15.10 t-shirt via OMGU ;-)
[16:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were all out of bags for life...
[16:52] <daftykins> i hear the UK has finally caught up with the channel islands and now forces the payment of 5p per shopping bag!
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> and now people just take bastkets home with them from supermarket
[16:53]  * popey gets shopping delivered unlike the barbarians who actually _go_ to the shops
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> i like to pick my shopping that hasn't beed prefondled... too much...
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> *been
[16:56]  * SuperEngineer fondles zmoylan-pi's evening meal by remote IOT food fondling device
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> it still wouldn't be as shocking as what i saw today...
[16:57] <SuperEngineer> we await...
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a nokia with broken screen today, my world is shaken...
[16:58] <daftykins> !
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> mate had it in their pocket and ran accidently into a skip... the screen hit the corner and took the full imapct...  https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/657206146030280704/photo/1
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> sobbing in sympathy
[16:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yeah but it had been blasted through the sun to see if it would melt
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> and am now finding no one in dublin repairs nokias... as they thought the cockroaches would have taken over from asteroid strike before one was broken...
[16:59] <SuperEngineer> davmor2, so was butter... they never did get those results back ;-)
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> Anybody here got a Vauxhall Zafira?
[17:06] <SuperEngineer> Should have written that in CAPS to beat the sound of the fire engine 2-tones ;)
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> you'll have a devil of a time installing linux on that SuperEngineer :-)
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[17:24] <zleap> is there a software keyboard in ubuntu, wildca4d in #dcglug is asking if anyone can help,  thanks
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> zleap, https://askubuntu.com/questions/455336/on-screen-keyboard-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts any help?
[17:27] <samfreenode> How do I upgrade?
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> samfreenode, what model of robot are you currently?
[17:28] <zmoylan-pi> one with pains in his diodes all down the left side...
[17:28] <SuperEngineer> nice one!
[17:29] <SuperEngineer> gives me a headache just talking down to their level ;-)
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> ...and life?, don't talk to me about life....
[17:33]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how you upgrade an electronic sausage...
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> ah, that's easy...
[17:34] <davmor2> samfreenode: what version of ubuntu you on currently
[17:34] <samfreenode> davmor2, 15.04
[17:35] <davmor2> samfreenode: open update manager that should update your current system first if needed and then offer you the upgrade if you reopen it
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> shouldn't a non-lts tell you when new version is available?
[17:36] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: lts version tell you when the next lts is delivered too
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> davmor2, YOU BEAT ME TO IT - & WITH A MUCH BETTER ANSWER
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> I was asked by somebody [after just speaking to her colleague, her boss & my boss on phone ] how I managed to have 3 different conversations with 3 different people.
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> ...  "Simples, I also use IRC"... but I find multi-conversations  so rude, don't you?"
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> Made a friend for life.
[18:19] <riyasmp> guys. thanks for help in advance. I m using ubuntu 14.04 LTS on samsung RV520 laptop. recently with a kernal upgrade it has sarted making a squeaky sound when on battery power along with annoying flickering of the screen. sounds and flickering goes away completly when pluged in to AC power. googling did not help much. can any one give any kind of guidance to sort this. thanks
[18:20] <daftykins> did it go away booting an older kernel?
[18:23] <riyasmp> daftykins, I havent tried that yet. do u recommend trying that first?
[18:24] <daftykins> well it'd prove if the upgrade really did cause it
[18:25] <riyasmp> daftykins, mine was a fresh 14.04 install and did not have a problem up untill recently
[18:26] <daftykins> yeah, kernel updates come along - so hold left shift as the disk is about to be read on boot and pick an older kernel from advanced
[18:27] <riyasmp> daftykins, okay if that sorts out the issue what could be the next step?
[18:27] <daftykins> cross that bridge once you come to it
[18:27] <daftykins> isolating which kernel, if at all, adds this noise is #1
[18:28] <riyasmp> daftykins, ok..i will check that and will be back. tx for the help
[19:41] <diddledan> morning
[19:56] <daftykins> allo
[20:00] <MooDoo> :)
[20:39] <diddledan> so I fiddled with my gfx settings on windows - switched the digital output to use 12 bits colour instead of the default 8 - much improvement on realism
[20:51] <webpigeon> colour, now with more bits (tm)
[21:58] <daftykins> diddledan: dun...dun...dun... two dead disks from the same guy :)
[22:37] <MooDoo> :)


[15:01] <rafaeldtinoco> LocutusOfBorg: so, are you using git-ubuntu, or willing to, for merges ?
[15:02] <rafaeldtinoco> i just realized I had a very big merge in multipath-tools done, where I split all changes by git commits.. and that was lost in a subsequent merge (minor changes) because of a direct dput
[15:03] <rafaeldtinoco> (and the changelog got very dirty with everything being repeated over and over)
[16:17] <rbasak> rafaeldtinico: we don't yet have a way for LocutusOfBorg to supply his rich history to git-ubuntu prior to uploading a package merge though.
[16:18] <rbasak> That's next on my list to do, but it's not done yet
[17:02] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, rafaeldtinoco what is git-ubuntu? :p
[17:02] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry but I have never been using it... I can do it if there is some wiki
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg> git-ubuntu on google reports how to install git on ubuntu...
[17:03] <ahasenack> it's two things, a tool, and a repo schema basically
[17:03] <ahasenack> but you don't need to use the tool, plain git works
[17:04] <ahasenack> LocutusOfBorg: https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/144-how-ubuntu-and-debian-packages-are-structured-in-launchpad-git/
[17:04] <ahasenack> there is a git repo on salsa too with the slides, but I forgot the url/place
[17:06] <ahasenack> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/share/debconf19/-/blob/master/slides/144-how-ubuntu-and-debian-packages-are-structured-in-launchpad-git.pdf
[17:08] <teward> juliank: around?  Need you to look @ a mailing list item and provide justifications
[17:15] <LocutusOfBorg> ok ahasenack I'll listen it in some hours
[17:15] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[17:15] <LocutusOfBorg> I admit I read about the new tool here and there, but never dig into it
[17:42] <juliank> teward: around-ish
[18:06] <hallyn> slock
[18:11] <hallyn> huh.  sorry.  focus fail
[19:39] <kyrofa> Huh, libjpeg8 in bionic depends on turbo, which has a .pc file. libjpeg9 doesn't, so it can't seemingly be found with pkg-config. Am I being silly, or is that a bug?


[21:09] <h00k> tsimonq2: it's a good time to announce you're stepping into the LoCo contact role, too
[21:09] <h00k> tsimonq2: and then I can send out an email to loco-contacts ML about the change
[21:14] <tsimonq2> YES!
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Ok! Thank you!
[21:23] <mikeputnam> howdy folks - forgot about this chan
[21:25] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:26] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: howdy!
[21:28] <tsimonq2> bai for now


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[07:38] <ginggs> Eickmeyer[m]: I suggest filing a severity serious bug against lsp-plugins in debian.  the uploader could well be blissfully unaware
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