[12:03] <_macke> ohh did i do it wron when i did sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list??
[12:03] <djst> seth_k|away: ping
[12:03] <kerian> that should work too
[12:03] <Coolio10> does anyoe think grub will install if i got an automatic rebuilder to fix my mbr?
[12:03] <seth_k|away> hi djst :)
[12:03] <djst> _macke: sudo is the gnome equivalent of kdesu
[12:04] <djst> _macke: no.. sorry
[12:04] <seth_k|away> actually djst, gksudo is the gnome equiv
[12:04] <djst> seth_k|away: yeah :)
[12:04] <seth_k|away> I see you noticed my blog comment djst :)
[12:04] <kerian> sudo is the command line equivelent of kdesu :P
[12:04] <djst> seth_k|away: just realized i was wrong about sudo :)
[12:04] <_macke> djst: ok Thanx got confused there :)
[12:04] <mrj> so
[12:04] <mrj> i am back
[12:04] <kerian> wb
[12:04] <djst> _macke: sudo = generic, kdesu = kde graphical sudo, gksu = gnome/gtk graphical sudo
[12:05] <mrj> and i have make something for eating
[12:05] <mrj> it is delicious
[12:05] <mrj> spaghetti !
[12:05] <djst> _macke: and the "su" part actually stands for "super user" :)
[12:05] <_macke> djst: good to know
[12:05] <djst> seth_k|away: yeah, that's why i logged on, to say hello
[12:05] <mrj> :)
[12:05] <mrj> :)
[12:05] <seth_k|away> :) it's appreciated djst, glad to know you're up and running okay! Is it working out better than Mandriva?
[12:05] <kerian> which is odd... because the original 'su' program doesn't stand for super-user
[12:05] <mrj> brb
[12:06] <kerian> it stands for 'switch user'
[12:06] <mrj> :)
[12:06] <larsris>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Half/Bee
[12:06] <_macke> when i write "su" and enter password i get wrong password??
[12:06] <kerian> su does something different
[12:06] <jjesse> su is your password correct?
[12:06] <jjesse> or the password of the first created users
[12:06] <kerian> sudo emulates a root account
[12:06] <_macke> yepp it is
[12:06] <kerian> su wont work unless you specify a root password (which will break sudo and kdesu on kubuntu)
[12:06] <jjesse> ah _macke  did you enable the root account?
[12:07] <jjesse> sorry sudo and kdesu
[12:07] <_macke> jjesse: it isnt active by default?
[12:07] <jjesse> su isn't
[12:07] <jjesse> !root
[12:07] <ubotu> I heard root is rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:07] <jjesse> _macke: do a !root to learn about root
[12:07] <kerian> to be honest... if you regularly need su, you should probably run a different distro
[12:07] <djst|brb> seth_k|away: i was going to ask you where your task bar was :)
[12:08] <_macke> kerian: i just maybe need it to loging to...
[12:08] <_macke> log in*
[12:08] <seth_k|away> djst|brb, i just have it set as transparent... it's in that big open space in the center
[12:08] <kerian> if you want what is essentially a root terminal, type 'sudo -s'
[12:09] <_macke> kerian: ahhh nice! thanx! oh my god i learn stuff today! :)
[12:09] <seth_k|away> bbl
[12:09] <seth_k|away> kerian, kuake or yaKuake?
[12:09] <seth_k|away> yaKuake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kuake, kerian
[12:10] <kerian> original kuake actually... it's light and fast (and this is a transmeta machine)
[12:10] <seth_k|away> ah, okay... for footprint, I can understand :)
[12:10] <seth_k|away> bbl for real this time :)
[12:10] <kerian> I run noKuake on my Inspiron... but it's a bit sluggish
[12:10] <djst|brb> kerian: inspiron 6000?
[12:11] <_macke> i added ,umask=000 in fstab but i cant get read acces to my harddrives
[12:11] <kerian> 8200
[12:11] <djst|brb> kerian: ok
[12:11] <kerian> hmm... what format is the drive?
[12:11] <_macke> ntfs
[12:11] <kerian> ntfs?
[12:12] <_macke> yes
[12:12] <kerian> hehe... okay... let me check something really quick
[12:12] <_macke> ok
[12:12] <kerian> are they mounted in /media?
[12:12] <_macke> yes
[12:12] <kerian> okay... funny thing about linux... a mounted ntfs drive will inherit the permissions of the folder where it is mounted
[12:13] <_macke> meaning??
[12:14] <kerian> hmm... what are the names of these drives in /media_
[12:14] <kerian> ?
[12:14] <_macke> hdc1 and hdd5
[12:14] <kerian> okay... that shouldn't be too bad
[12:15] <kerian> do you want users to be able to write to these drives too?
[12:15] <_macke> no, no writing to ntfs drives
[12:15] <_macke> just read acces
[12:16] <djst|brb> _macke: do you want your ntfs drive to automount with read access for each user?
[12:16] <kerian> kk... you may want to get a 'sudo -s' shell up for this
[12:16] <_macke> done
[12:16] <_macke> djst: yes
[12:16] <kerian> djst: I think the problem at this point is the mount point permissions... I had the same problem on the default breezy install
[12:16] <djst|brb> _macke: did you add the "users" keyword in addition to umask=000
[12:16] <djst|brb> oh, and have you tried umask=0000?
[12:16] <djst|brb> i belive i have four 0 in mine
[12:17] <_macke> will try with four 0 in it
[12:17] <Coolio10> if anyone switched from ubuntu to kubuntu can you tell me why so i can know why many people like kubuntu as much as me!
[12:17] <djst|brb> /dev/hda3     /mnt/protected/fat32          vfat  uid=djst,gid=users,umask=0007 0 0
[12:17] <kerian> actually... just for fun... what does the output of 'mount' say?
[12:17] <djst|brb> that's what i have for my fat drive
[12:18] <_macke> kerian: alot
[12:18] <djst|brb> _macke: umask=0007 means that owner (djst) and group (users) can read and write, but others cannot
[12:18] <kerian> hehe... yeah... but in regards to the two drives we're talking about
[12:18] <djst|brb> so i think if you add that last 0, or better yet, 7, things will work
[12:19] <_macke> /dev/hdc1 on /media/hdc1 type ntfs (rw)
[12:19] <_macke> /dev/hdd5 on /media/hdd5 type ntfs (rw)
[12:20] <kerian> hmm... that's odd... it should show the settings
[12:20] <_macke> djst: ok im user 1000 so if i write ,umask=1000 then i should be able to read it?
[12:21] <djst|brb> _macke: yes. and add that fourth 0 and replace rw with ro
[12:21] <djst|brb> _macke: since you don't want to write to a ntfs drive anyway
[12:21] <djst|brb> _macke: but you don't need to use the numbers for your name, you can replace 1000 with macke in plaintext as i've done.
[12:22] <MrClever> umask is not uid.
[12:22] <_macke> "/dev/hdc1       /media/hdc1     ntfs    defaults,umask=1000        0       0"   looks like this
[12:22] <djst|brb> _macke: oh, sorry! not umask = 1000,.. no.
[12:22] <djst|brb> _macke: i thought i read uid :)
[12:22] <djst|brb> no, the umask is something else, it sets the permissions
[12:23] <_macke> oh... lol  ok
[12:23] <djst|brb> since you want all your users to be able to read, you can safely set it to 0007
[12:23] <MrClever> \/dev/hdc1  /media/hdc1  ntfs  ro,user,uid=1000,umask=0   0   0
[12:23] <MrClever> That should work
[12:23] <Coolio10> in "$ sudo update-grub" do i not include the dollar sign and just "sudo update-grub" in konsole?
[12:23] <djst|brb> i'd use umask=0007
[12:23] <MrClever> why?
[12:24] <djst|brb> MrClever: because that makes users not in the "users" group not able to read the stuff
[12:24] <_macke> "/dev/hdc1       /media/hdc1     ntfs    to,user,uid=1000,umask=0        0       0"
[12:24] <kerian> well... I need to get ready for class... later all
[12:24] <_macke> ro*
[12:24] <Coolio10> bye
[12:24] <larsris> Another attempt: Any good reasons for not updating from hoary to breezy, as I am about to? Any problems?
[12:24] <djst|brb> _macke: looks good. but now you're allowing *everyone* to read your drive, not just the normal users
[12:24] <MrClever> if you want to deny access to "other" users, then umask=006 will be fine.
[12:24] <MrClever> http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/umask_permissions.html
[12:24] <MrClever> You need to learn about what umask really does I think.
[12:25] <_macke> djst: well im the only one on this computer so its fine
[12:25] <djst|brb> MrClever: that doc is not about umask, it's about permissions and chmod
[12:25] <Coolio10> in "$ sudo update-grub" do i not include the dollar sign and just "sudo update-grub" in konsole?
[12:25] <MrClever> larsris: nup - I did the Hoary->Breezy migration a couple of weeks ago on an i386 and AMD64 machine.  Both were piece of cake.
[12:26] <djst|brb> MrClever: umask, as i understand it, wants four numbers, not just three... so your 006 should in fact be 0006
[12:26] <djst|brb> MrClever: but i have no idea why the first 0 is needed
[12:26] <larsris> Thanks!
[12:27] <Coolio10> anyone answer a beginner question? in "$ sudo update-grub" do i not include the dollar sign and just "sudo update-grub" in konsole?
[12:27] <MrClever> umask uses 3 digits to set the deafult file permissions on created files for the user/group/other.
[12:28] <MrClever> You can't set sticky or UID bits with umask, and you can't set the execute bit with umask
[12:28] <MrClever> so 3 digits.
[12:30] <MrClever> Coolio10: don't use the "$".
[12:30] <MrClever> Coolio10: just typer "sudo update-grab" with the ""
[12:30] <MrClever> BRB - coffee
[12:31] <djst> MrClever: you mean without the ""
[12:31] <djst> MrClever: i stand corrected. but i still don't understand why i've seen so many tutorials using umask=0027 for example. if that first 0 is useless, why is it there?
[12:31] <MrClever> yah - that's what I said :)
[12:32] <djst> i thought i read 'with the ""' ;)
[12:32] <djst> (and i did)
[12:32] <_macke> i saw it too. :)
[12:32] <MrClever> When you type "umask" at the command prompt it will return a 4 digit code.  The first will always be zero, as it represents the sticky/uid bit which can't be set with umask.
[12:33] <djst> MrClever: thanks. then i know it's just useless
[12:34] <MrClever> I think though, when you SET a umask, it will only read the first 3 digits.  So umask=0022 will be interpreted as umask=002.  Which ISN'T what you want :)
[12:34] <_macke> how do i update my fstab, like unmount them and mount them again?
[12:34] <djst> MrClever: you seem to know this so here's a question: why did they "invert" the permissions bits in umask? why couldn't they just allow you to use what you're used to, e.g. 740 instead of 037 ??
[12:34] <djst> _macke: yes, umount the mount points
[12:34] <MrClever> Binary math dude :)
[12:35] <MrClever> The binary behind it was in that URL I mentioned earlier.
[12:35] <djst> MrClever: yeah but the computer is binary, not me :) the computer should be able to invert that shit without me telling it how
[12:35] <_macke> i get command not found when i try unmount
[12:35] <djst> MrClever: yeah it was something about AND'ing it with the ... i know why. i just don't get why they couldn't use the same convention for every place you set permissions
[12:35] <djst> UMOUNT
[12:35] <djst> not uNmount
[12:35] <MrClever> Hey - I agree.  But this is how it's done.  Same goes for calculating IP netmasks and multicast addresses :P  It's "just the way things are"
[12:36] <_macke> djst: hehe... ok thanx again!
[12:36] <djst> MrClever: yeah, you're right. just had to let it out ;)
[12:36] <MrClever> djst: we all have times like that....and if I don't get this coffee, I'm going to find a clock-tower and a gun :P
[12:36] <djst> e.g. "umount  /media/hdc1"
[12:37] <djst> MrClever: go get it, you deserve it!
[12:37] <_macke> djst: yepp that did the trick
[12:37] <djst> _macke: but forget about that fourth 0 in umask. as MrClever pointed out, i was wrong there and it should work anyway
[12:38] <djst> should've said "as MrClever so cleverly pointed out"
[12:38] <_macke> djst: it works fine anyway so i shouldnt alter what works :)
[12:38] <djst> _macke: glad it works now!
[12:39] <_macke> djst: yeah thanx for all help... on my way to fully functiong linux now! just sound left
[12:40] <djst> i was actually here to ask seth_k|away some questions but i'll have to do that some other day
[12:40] <_macke> djst: lol but u did a good deed for today! :)
[12:41] <djst> _macke: thanks :) my first visit in the channel actually. i'm a ubuntu user
[12:41] <_macke> djst: ubuntu is with gnome right?
[12:42] <djst> _macke: yes, it's the original ubuntu. i kinda dislike kde for a few reasons, one of them being the endless preferences dialogs and settings. but i have to admit kde is a bit prettier on the outside compared to gnome
[12:43] <_macke> djst: yeah kde was the first thing i tried so it kinda stuck on me
[12:43] <djst> _macke: and for former windows users, kde is more "natural", i guess, considering it's fairly similar to windows.. gnome is more like an ugly mac clone when i think of it :)
[12:43] <_macke> djst: LOL i agree
[12:44] <MrClever> heheh
[12:44] <djst> _macke: but i think gnome has more potential as a usable platform. seems more thought out and less "by developers for developers"
[12:45] <_macke> djst: well i havent used gnome so much so i cant tell. but i have heard most people prefer it
[12:45] <djst> _macke: not sure about most people. but after redhat, fedora and ubuntu came along, the number of gnome users is growing steadily
[12:46] <djst> i tend to dislike both (gnome/kde) for different reasons. but linux as a whole is growing on me, especially this last year
[12:46] <_macke> djst: yeah red hat was my first encounter with Linux.. but i didnt get anything working. was a few years ago
[12:47] <_macke> djst: yeah i got the infamous anti piracy thingy when i start XP so i stick with Linux
[12:47] <arlington> got a question about mounting a windows HDD
[12:47] <djst> _macke: my first encounter with linux was also with redhat, 5.x. it was horrible and neither kde nor gnome was invented yet, as far as i remember
[12:48] <djst> _macke: i dual boot. windows xp came with the purchase of this computer so i use it frequently. i'd say about 40% windows and 60% linux (ubuntu) here
[12:48] <_macke> djst: i think ive had the first version with kde.... but still no good
[12:48] <arlington> I've got two HD's my original primary is a SATA drive with windows XP Home, my second (now primary) is an IDE with Kubuntu I want to mount my windows HD so I can grab my music files and such
[12:48] <arlington> how do I go about doing that?
[12:48] <djst> arlington: i think _macke is an expert at that :)
[12:49] <arlington> great! thanks
[12:49] <_macke> djst: i only use windows when i need to play anarchy online, as soon as i get it working for linux, windows goes out the window!
[12:49] <_macke> LOL! yeah i am
[12:49] <arlington> LOL
[12:50] <djst> _macke: i have some ties with windows which are hard to break.. one of them actively selling software written in vb
[12:50] <arlington> great, well anytime you have a free moment.
[12:50] <djst> arlington: is it a fat32 or ntfs drive?
[12:50] <arlington> ntfs, DARN I just remembered that
[12:50] <arlington> there ain't an easy way is there?
[12:50] <djst> arlington: you can still read it
[12:50] <djst> arlington: but not write it
[12:50] <arlington> just remembered nix don't like NTFS that much
[12:50] <_macke> djst: yeah kinda hard in linux
[12:50] <arlington> really? cool
[12:51] <arlington> remember though that it is a Serial ATA ie. SATA
[12:51] <djst> arlington: reading is no problem... writing is a mess because no one knows for sure how ntfs works
[12:51] <arlington> ic
[12:51] <arlington> k
[12:51] <djst> arlington: doesn't matter if it's sata or pata
[12:51] <arlington> k
[12:51] <djst> arlington: first of all, do you want your drive to be readable all the time? every time you start linux=
[12:51] <arlington> well as far as dual booting it does cause I haven't yet gotten that to work
[12:51] <djst> arlington: or do you just want to access it once?
[12:52] <BlueEagle> djst: I've heard certain developers at microsoft say they know how, but that statement is target of wide dispute and mockery.
[12:52] <arlington> well all the time would be nice
[12:52] <djst> BlueEagle: ;)
[12:52] <djst> BlueEagle: i bet no one knows fully how it works.. probably 100 developers closely working on one part each
[12:52] <arlington> I don't mind a little command shell work if I have to
[12:52] <djst> arlington: you have to. sort of
[12:52] <djst> arlington: open a terminal
[12:52] <arlington> no prob
[12:52] <arlington> k
[12:53] <djst> type (without "")  "cd /media"
[12:53] <arlington> k
[12:53] <djst> then "sudo mkdir windows"
[12:53] <djst> you'll be asked for your password
[12:53] <djst> (not by me though ;)
[12:53] <arlington> :P
[12:53] <arlington> ;)
[12:54] <arlington> got it
[12:54] <djst> arlington: do you know the device name of your windows drive? e.g. /dev/sda1 or something
[12:54] <arlington> I think that is what it is
[12:54] <djst> arlington: you're sure
[12:54] <djst> ?
[12:54] <arlington> well I just let it set it by default
[12:55] <arlington> so I'm pretty sure
[12:55] <djst> ok let's assume it's /dev/sda1 then.. you can check to make sure it's that by entering "sudo fdisk -l"
[12:55] <djst> examine the output of that and look for a line including HPFS/NTFS
[12:55] <djst> that line is your ntfs drive
[12:55] <_macke> if i want alsaconfig do i install alsautils or alsatools?? and can it be done with apt-get?
[12:57] <arlington> roger that. it is sda1 and sda5 I have it split into two partitions
[12:57] <djst> arlington: you want both partitions to be mounted?
[12:57] <arlington> well there is sda2 as well
[12:57] <djst> but the ntfs drives are sda1 and sda5?
[12:57] <arlington> well my secondary partition is the one I really need
[12:57] <djst> let's go for sda5 then
[12:57] <arlington> the ones that say HPFS/NTFS yes
[12:58] <arlington> they are sda1 and sda5
[12:58] <djst> try this: "sudo -s"
[12:58] <arlington> k I'm showing root
[12:58] <djst> arlington: you should now be root which means .. ok
[12:58] <djst> "sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/windows"
[12:59] <arlington> a space between mount and /dev?
[12:59] <djst> if that worked, you should see no output
[12:59] <djst> yes
[12:59] <djst> exactly as i wrote it
[12:59] <djst> you're mounting the drive /dev/sda5 to your empty folder /media/windows"
[12:59] <andreas> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118220
[12:59] <andreas> it would seem there's a problem with kpdf in kubuntu 5.10 and kde 3.5
[12:59] <arlington> k
[01:00] <djst> now, check to make sure you can read the contents in that folder
[01:00] <arlington> I hadn't realized there was another part there :)
[01:00] <andreas> specifically the patches from kubuntu seems to break kpdf
[01:00] <djst> arlington: enter "cd windows" then enter "ls"
[01:00] <djst> you should see files listed on your ntfs partition.. if it looks like stuff you recognize, we're halfway there
[01:01] <arlington> I'm still in root and it says no such file or dir...
[01:01] <djst> enter "pwd" and let me know the output
[01:02] <arlington> it gives me /home/(username)
[01:02] <djst> oh
[01:02] <djst> ok
[01:02] <djst> you didn't do my first commands then
[01:02] <arlington> which ones?
[01:02] <djst> "cd /media"
[01:02] <djst> notice the slash at front of media
[01:02] <arlington> yes I did that one
[01:02] <djst> ok then you should not be in /home/(username)
[01:03] <djst> you should be in /media
[01:03] <arlington> oh
[01:03] <djst> do it again, "cd /media"
[01:03] <djst> cd = change directory
[01:03] <arlington> well you said to go to sudo -s which took me into root
[01:03] <arlington> yes i know
[01:03] <djst> ok sorry if my mistake
[01:03] <djst> anyway
[01:03] <arlington> np man
[01:03] <djst> when in /media, do "ls" and make sure you have that windows folder there
[01:03] <arlington> errr, I asume man
[01:04] <arlington> yup got that
[01:04] <djst> i'm a sexy girl for ya
[01:04] <djst> ok, "cd windows"
[01:04] <arlington> 8-O
[01:04] <djst> then "ls"
[01:04] <arlington> got it
[01:04] <arlington> it shows my folders
[01:04] <djst> the right drive?
[01:04] <arlington> yes
[01:04] <djst> great. "cd .."
[01:04] <djst> "umount windows"
[01:04] <arlington> i'm pretty sure
[01:05] <arlington> unforetunately I gotta run
[01:05] <djst> ok
[01:05] <arlington> will you be on a while longer?
[01:05] <djst> it's 1 am here
[01:05] <arlington> wow
[01:05] <djst> i need to get some sleep rsn
[01:05] <_macke> u get to do alot of work on youre first visit djst!
[01:05] <arlington> well I gotta run but I'll be back in a little while
[01:05] <arlington> g2g
[01:05] <arlington> bye
[01:05] <djst> _macke: yeah, repetitive work too ;)
[01:06] <_macke> djst: yeah lol! hey! its 1 am here too!
[01:06] <djst> _macke: swedish i assume?
[01:06] <_macke> jepp
[01:06] <djst> svullo, rip
[01:07] <_macke> yeah thats sad. espiceally for his kids
[01:07] <djst> _macke: i'm http://djst.org/blog/profile
[01:07] <djst> (also swedish)
[01:07] <_macke> Eskilstuna inte lngt bort
[01:07] <djst> arlington: actually, we're so close to being done here you wouldn't know it
[01:10] <_macke> djst: nice thumbs up picture! :)
[01:11] <djst> _macke: which one? :)
[01:12] <_macke> djst: in pappas 60rsfest
[01:13] <djst> _macke: wow, you've really delved into the oldest photos :)
[01:14] <_macke> djst: :) wow, lucky shot then! :)
[01:15] <djst> _macke: anyway, work tomorrow. time to get some sleep. sofie's waiting too :) nice chat, bye
[01:16] <_macke> djst: ok, thanx for all the help, yeah nice chat! cya!
[01:18] <_macke> anyone left??
[01:18] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:19] <Hobbsee> plenty of people
[01:19] <_macke> need sound help
[01:19] <Hobbsee> mmm - more info, and we may be able to help you
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i'm not great on fixing sound stuff though
[01:19] <MrClever> still here
[01:19] <_macke> ive got a onboard VIA uses AC97. get really low sound.
[01:20] <_macke> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[01:20] <_macke> tried maxxing volumes in alsamixer and kmix
[01:20] <miguel> hello
[01:20] <_macke> hey
[01:21] <miguel> my first time with ububtu in my pc
[01:21] <miguel> this is very nice
[01:21] <MrClever> Does your sound connectors have a "speaker out" and a "line out"?  I've seen really low sound when un-amplified speakers get plugged into "line out"
[01:22] <_macke> on the ports of the motherboard? yeah ive got a 5.1 soundsystem tried switching them but only get low or no sound
[01:22] <wimpies> I just installed kubuntu 5.1 and KDE is running. I wanted to add more apps
[01:22] <wimpies> and noticed that kde-core is NOT installed ???
[01:22] <Hobbsee> wimpies: open up adept, and have a look...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> wimpies: it isnt?  is it a metapackage?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> !info kde-core
[01:23] <ubotu> kde-core: (the K Desktop Environment core modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[01:24] <wimpies> yes it is a metapackage.  If it is optional what does it offer ?
[01:24] <jager> moo
[01:24] <jager> amyone use projectm with amarok?
[01:24] <jager> anyone*
[01:24] <MrClever> _macke: have you checked to see if "use internal amplifier" has been disabled in the mixer? My old lappy had that....
[01:25] <_macke> MrClever: in kmix??
[01:26] <MrClever> _macke: yah
[01:27] <MrClever> _macke: should be in the "switches" tab
[01:27] <curtis-mac> im haveing some problems with my kubuntu install its my first go at it and im running it on x86
[01:27] <_macke> MrClever: i got an external amplifier button
[01:27] <curtis-mac> all goes fine untill i am asked to remove the cd and reboot
[01:28] <curtis-mac> when i do i get the pre-boot execution enviornment
[01:28] <curtis-mac> i get a err saying boot does not exist
[01:29] <curtis-mac> any ideas?
[01:30] <wimpies> what boot mode did you choose when installing ?
[01:30] <curtis-mac> i let it creat the partitions
[01:30] <_macke> doesnt do any difference when i switch it on or off.... or should i restart the sound somehow?
[01:32] <wimpies> and then ?
[01:33] <_macke> hey now the sound works!! dont ask me how... but hope it works if i reboot
[01:34] <jager> anyone use projectm with amarok?
[01:34] <jager> anyone?
[01:34] <jager> anyone?
[01:34] <jager> bueller?
[01:34] <jager> bueller?
[01:34] <wimpies> jager : no but good movie ...
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jager: i dont.  it might help if you ask your question about it though
[01:36] <jager> projectm is a visualization plugin for xmms/amarok/itunes, and it rules
[01:37] <jager> i had it working a while ago, i just installed a deb from a forum link
[01:37] <jager> and now it doesn't do anything when i check the box for projectm in amarok
[01:37] <jager> i dunno what i did
[01:38] <_macke> where does xmms go when ive installed it, doesnt show in K menu?
[01:38] <MrClever> _macke: sorry - phone.  What did you change?
[01:38] <wimpies> _macke nowhere i believe, it is not a KDE app.  Add yourself to the menu
[01:38] <_macke> MrClever: i dunno but it works now.....
[01:38] <jager> when i run xmms from a konsole i can see projectm load .milk presets, but it never draws a window
[01:38] <_macke> wimpies: ok thanx
[01:39] <wimpies> _macke : I have (put) it under multimedia
[01:39] <jager> also, there is an included program called projectmvis that essentially runs projectm as a standalone app, and it also never draws a window, it exits with no message
[01:40] <_macke> wimpies: yeah, im gonna do that but where does it go? /?
[01:41] <wimpies> you mean on the disk ? /usr/bin I presume
[01:42] <_macke> wimpies: Yepp!, Thanx
[01:42] <_macke> !
[01:46] <wimpies> need some help with sound.
[01:46] <_macke> no, thanx ive fixed it
[01:46] <wimpies> sound works (I hear all sorts of riffs when dialogs pops up
[01:46] <wimpies> mplayer
[01:46] <wimpies> works
[01:46] <wimpies> xmms works
[01:46] <arlington> hey everyone, I'm back
[01:47] <wimpies> however I cannot get any of noatun, kafeine or whatevern going
[01:47] <jager> what engine are you using?
[01:47] <wimpies> euh engine ?
[01:48] <jager> gstreamer, maybe, or xine?
[01:48] <macke> ive added it with menu editor but it dont show up?
[01:48] <jager> those are the two i have installed, and i had to make sure that all my sound apps used the same engine
[01:49] <arlington> I started an update to KDE via Kynaptic, it went through the download then Kynaptic is sitting there all greyed out like it's waiting for something to finish. but it's been more than an hour since I started it... anthing I can do besides wait?
[01:49] <wimpies> gstreamer but I get errors with alsasink or something
[01:49] <wimpies> If I click on testsound in control center it works just find
[01:49] <wimpies> s/d/e
[01:51] <macke> why wont it show iup in the menu when ive done it and saved??
[01:52] <arlington> I think you have to log out of the session first
[01:52] <wimpies> jager : never mind it now seems to work, I enabled sound preview in konqueror
[01:52] <wimpies> hovered over an mp3 got a crash tried backtrace missing gdb, installed gdb hovered again and ... I got sound ?????
[01:54] <arlington> anyone here know much about mounting a windows HD?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> !mount
[01:54] <wimpies> arglington what you wanna know
[01:54] <macke> arlington: didnt djsf tell you?
[01:54] <arlington> well I got as far as actually mounting it to where i can navigate to it through Konsole, but never got any further
[01:55] <arlington> macke: yes, but we didn't finish before i had to go
[01:55] <macke> well if u can navigate in console then u can do it whereever
[01:55] <Hobbsee> did you stick it in the fstab, so it gets mounted on boot?
[01:55] <arlington> nope not yet
[01:56] <arlington> the last thing said was "cd .." then unmount windows but I had to leave and she didn't finish saying how
[01:56] <Hobbsee> all right, why's the bot asleep...
[01:57] <arlington> huh?
[01:57] <Knowerrors> whats best movie editor for kde? and also for dvd authoring?
[01:57] <arlington> Hobbsee: I ahven't done anything with "fstab" yet
[01:57] <Hobbsee> arlington: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch05.html#id2532785
[01:57] <markrian> I'm having some trouble with wine. If I run winecfg and then click the audio tab, it crashes out and gives the error shown on this page: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5682
[01:58] <Hobbsee> arlington: i was going to use the bot to point you to that link, but the bot seems to be asleep
[01:58] <arlington> thanks Hobbsee, again you've been a great help
[01:58] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:58] <arlington> ic :D
[01:58] <Hobbsee> if you've got questions about that, just ask
[01:59] <arlington> I tried searching in the wiki, but it didn't seem to want to find what I was looking for
[01:59] <Hobbsee> arlington: oh, and instead of "sudo gedit", use "kdesu kwrite"
[01:59] <arlington> thanks
[01:59] <arlington> ok
[02:00] <jager> how do i change my default browser?  so when i click a link in konversation it opens in firefox?
[02:00] <arlington> one more thing before I work on the mounting. I started downloading some updates to KDE, it finished downloading them, but seems to be stuck with Kynaptic greyed out. been that way for an hour or so
[02:00] <Hobbsee> jager: kcontrol
[02:00] <jager> k
[02:00] <_jeff> hey guys
[02:00] <jager> oh hey, sweet
[02:00] <Hobbsee> maybe it's still installing them then
[02:00] <jager> kcontrol looks normal
[02:01] <jager> what is that crazy looking thing in the menu called then?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> jager: hehe...i think you're looking for kde defaults
[02:01] <Hobbsee> system settings?  i dont know, i dont like it much
[02:01] <_jeff> does anyone know how to get thumbnails for videos in konqueror?
[02:01] <jager> yeah me either
[02:01] <jager> bleck
[02:01] <Hobbsee> dapper version works a bit better, but i still prefer kcontrol
[02:02] <_jeff> anybody?
[02:02] <Hobbsee_away> _jeff: i think there's a menu option for it...
[02:03] <_jeff> yeah, i think it was default in kde 3.4
[02:03] <_jeff> but i dont see the option for it now
[02:03] <Hobbsee_away> maybe not...
[02:03] <Hobbsee_away> view, preview, somewhere there is where i would expect, but i cant see it
[02:03] <arlington> Hobbsee: id says that "kwrite" is command not found
[02:03] <Hobbsee_away> arlington: ok, use kdesu kate then
[02:03] <markrian> _jeff: do you have the correct codecs installed to actually view the movies?
[02:03] <arlington> k
[02:04] <arlington> same thing
[02:04] <kojak__> anyone know why k3b wont work
[02:04] <jager> it hates you :)
[02:04] <_jeff> yeah i can watch them fine
[02:04] <Hobbsee_away> arlington: ah, so you've got to fix kynaptic first, it seems
[02:04] <Hobbsee_away> arlington: otherwise, try sudo nano
[02:04] <arlington> btw, I think I'm logged in as root (I used sudo -s a while ago)
[02:04] <arlington> k
[02:04] <jager> kojak__: what errors does it throw?  any?
[02:04] <Hobbsee_away> well, nano then, no sudo in front of it
[02:05] <arlington> k
[02:05] <kojak__> found cd-r (empty)
[02:05] <jager> oh it runs then
[02:06] <jager> what doesn't it do?
[02:06] <kojak__> yo
[02:06] <kojak__> i askin them now but they clueless
[02:06] <jharrison> no one knows eh?
[02:06] <kojak__> prolly a bug
[02:06] <_jeff> markrian: but when i play video files in kaffine they run slow
[02:07] <markrian> _jeff: try making Kaffeine default to the xine backend
[02:07] <arlington> ok I'm in nano and fstab
[02:07] <markrian> that might help
[02:07] <_jeff> markrian: how do i do that?
[02:08] <arlington> I added /dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0" the the next row on the bottom (note I changed the 'H' in hda to an S cause it's a SATA drive
[02:08] <arlington> do I need to space any of that out? or just save it as is?
[02:09] <jharrison> kojak__: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:09] <jharrison> kojak__: ls cdrecord*
[02:10] <jharrison> kojak__: dpkg -l cdrecord
[02:10] <chopemax> hi, im doing a bash script and want to run " sed '$linenumber!d', it works with " sed '1!d', however when I try to get the num from the variable i get an ' extra characters after commands' sed error.. any clues?
[02:10] <arlington> Hobbsee?
[02:11] <kojak__> 2.01+01a01-4ub
[02:11] <markrian> _jeff: it should be in the menus somewhere in Kaffeine?
[02:11] <markrian> I can't remember exactly ;o
[02:11] <arlington> be back in a few minutes
[02:11] <kojak__> cdrecord_4%3a2.01+01a01-4ubuntu3_i386.deb
[02:11] <_jeff> markrian: ok ill check
[02:13] <jager> should i have the file /usr/lib/amarok/amarok_libvisual by default?
[02:13] <jharrison> ls /media/
[02:13] <chopemax> nobody knows what I may be doing wrong?
[02:13] <jager> with amarok i mena?
[02:14] <jharrison> ls /media/cdrom0
[02:14] <jharrison> kojak__: find /media/cdrom0 -name 'cdrecord*'
[02:15] <kojak__> cdrecord_2.0+a38-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:15] <jharrison> kojak__: find /media/cdrom0 -name 'mkisofs*'
[02:15] <kojak__> mkisofs_2.0+a38-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:16] <kojak__>    /media/cdrom0/pool/main/c/cdrtools/cdrecord_2.0+a38-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:16] <kojak__>     /media/cdrom0/pool/main/c/cdrtools/mkisofs_2.0+a38-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:18] <larsris> ohhps! upgrading hoary -> breezy gave me some problems:
[02:18] <larsris> update postfix and lsb fails
[02:19] <larsris> sudo apt-get install --reinstall wont do
[02:19] <larsris> Any clue out there?
[02:20] <markrian> larsris: give more info on what 'fails' means
[02:20] <wimpies> does anybody know a artsd skype wrapper ?
[02:21] <larsris> well : perhaps this is a clue: postfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running
[02:21] <_jeff> markrian: no im not seeing it anywhere in the options in kafiene
[02:21] <larsris> ??
[02:22] <Coolio10> how do i stop kubuntu from asking me for login and pass for hostname every startup?
[02:23] <Coolio10> i heard someone say users and groups but i cant remember!
[02:23] <wimpies> coolio0 : enable autologin in the login manager (I think you need root access)
[02:23] <Coolio10> no i mean from the boot not the actual login manager
[02:23] <Coolio10> it asks login/pass
[02:24] <Coolio10> or is that once from the install?
[02:24] <wimpies> if startup means install of kubuntu, then yes it is only during install
[02:25] <larsris> markian: I get error when attempting to do sudo apt-get install --reinstall postfix "package depenedencies", referriing to lsb
[02:25] <Coolio10> ok
[02:25] <Coolio10> i just asked because i didnt get past that step because it wouldnt let me enter the password
[02:25] <Coolio10> and kept saying it was incorrect
[02:27] <arlington> well, I'm back again guys
[02:27] <arlington> and gals ;)
[02:30] <arlington> can anyone help with mounting and accessing a windows HD?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> i'm baaaaaaaaack
[02:31] <arlington> alright
[02:31] <arlington> well I added it to fstab according to the tutorial
[02:32] <Hobbsee> arlington: after checking my logs, that looks like it should be right
[02:32] <arlington> I believe I added evreything corectly. I changed the necessary parameters to make it under sda5 which is the drive i mounted
[02:32] <arlington> :D
[02:33] <arlington> so know what from here?
[02:33] <macke> How do i download an older version of GCC from apt-get??
[02:34] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.3 (if I recall correctly)
[02:34] <kalenedrael> The package will be named something other than gcc :P
[02:34] <macke> kalenedrael: Thanx!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> arlington: did you do a sudo mount -a?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> after all that?
[02:34] <arlington> yup
[02:35] <Hobbsee> excellent
[02:35] <arlington> :D
[02:35] <kalenedrael> np, macke
[02:35] <merlino> how do i enable SSH with kubuntu in konsole?
[02:35] <wimpies> arlington : if you run mount does it show /dev/sda5 somewhere ?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> arlington: what does "ls /media/windows" show you?
[02:36] <macke> worked good! but mplayer seems hard to install
[02:36] <arlington> well I don't currently have Konqueror working, but let me see in Konsole
[02:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, that command will only work in console lol - ls means list
[02:36] <arlington> yeah
[02:37] <MrClever> merlino: ssh? as a server (allow connectins into your system) or client (make outgoing connections)?
[02:37] <merlino> MrClever: trying to let my friend ssh in to do an install
[02:37] <arlington> well if I try /dev/sda5 I get a permission denied, but if I go through /media/windows it lists my folders
[02:37] <mrj> guys guys .....
[02:37] <mrj> i have make a BIIG Mistake ...
[02:37] <Hobbsee> arlington: excellent, that's what it's suppposed to do - so to access it, just go to /media/windows
[02:38] <MrClever> merlino: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[02:38] <arlington> actually I just tried again and I continue to get permisson denied
[02:38] <mrj> i have tried to install the Nvidia-7660.xxxxx.pkg1.run
[02:38] <kalenedrael> macke, select the proper mplayer package, it should be called mplayer-586 or something.
[02:38] <mrj> and i have become errors
[02:38] <MrClever> merlino: openssh-server isn't installed by default.
[02:38] <arlington> that is until I use sudo
[02:38] <wimpies> arlington : try what ? Create a file list a directory ... ?
[02:38] <arlington> hmmm
[02:38] <mrj> now i can not install nvidia-glx either
[02:38] <macke> kalenedrael: from the website or apt-get
[02:38] <Hobbsee> arlington: you're still logged in as root?
[02:38] <arlington> I can't open up the directory until I loginto sudo
[02:39] <arlington> I am now
[02:39] <merlino> MrClever: it failed to start
[02:39] <mrj> how can i remove the NVIDIA-7660 installation ?
[02:39] <arlington> and at /media/windows
[02:39] <arlington> performed a "ls" and it works
[02:39] <mrj> hey guys
[02:39] <wimpies> arlington : if you do ls -l on a directory in windows does what does it show rwx ? rx ?
[02:39] <wimpies> mrj : dpkg --remove
[02:39] <wimpies> apt-get remove ...
[02:39] <mrj> i was not a package
[02:39] <mrj> it was not
[02:40] <mrj> i downloaded the file from the NVIDIA web page
[02:40] <wimpies> then you run ita again in sh -x to see what it installs and see if you can undo that
[02:40] <merlino> MrClever: allow me to resay that... sshd is what i need
[02:40] <mrj> now i have a modul whos not working
[02:40] <NeverDream> how do I remove Kubuntu?
[02:40] <arlington> how do you want me to run that ls -l?
[02:40] <NeverDream> I apt-get installed it, but I decided I don't like it
[02:41] <wimpies> arlington : from your konsole, cd to /me.../windows and type ls -l <ENTER>
[02:41] <markrian> NeverDream: you mean you had Ubuntu, and installed kubuntu-desktop?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> wimpies: just check if you can do that on yours, mine wont let me at all
[02:41] <NeverDream> yeah
[02:41] <gerardocb> NeverDream, why do u want to remove it?
[02:41] <jsubl2> NeverDream: use synaptic or adept and remove the kde* packages will get a bunch
[02:41] <NeverDream> it's clusttering my hard drive and I don't really use it
[02:41] <gerardocb> I mean: u can simply not use it...
[02:41] <NeverDream> s/clusttering/cluttering/
[02:41] <arlington> it lists my folders in blue with the rest of the info in white, etc...
[02:42] <gerardocb> oh, i see
[02:42] <wimpies> hobbsee : what windows filesystem is it ? fat,  vfat, ntfs ?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ntfs
[02:42] <arlington> ntfs
[02:42] <markrian> Do you use aptitude for package management?
[02:42] <MrClever> merlino: install the openssh-server package then :)
[02:42] <wimpies> ntfs is readonly
[02:42] <merlino> MrClever: isn
[02:42] <arlington> yeah I understand
[02:42] <arlington> that
[02:42] <merlino> that what i just apt-getted?
[02:42] <markrian> Well, you should, it's very good ;o Anyway, all you have to do is remove all packages that kubuntu-desktop depends on
[02:42] <arlington> should it then work to access it from Konquer?
[02:42] <wimpies> and you need to set masks on how linux should provide access to files and folders
[02:43] <Hobbsee> arlington: ordinarily yes
[02:43] <arlington> ahh, that I haven't done yet
[02:43] <arlington> ic
[02:43] <MrClever> merlino: isn? Not familiar with that abbreviation....sorry.
[02:43] <wimpies> also you should set uid and gid so that ownership is set properly to
[02:43] <arlington> that would really be most of what I need as I'm just accessing my music and stuff
[02:43] <arlington> hmm
[02:43] <merlino> MrClever: it was a typeo i ment to say isn't that what apt-get just installed?
[02:43] <arlington> how do I do all that?
[02:44] <wimpies> you can also use ext3 from nt if you want, then you can WRITE and properly share files between windows and linux
[02:44] <wimpies> you can then leave your c: alone for NT/XP and have some D: that is shared
[02:44] <Hobbsee> true, i only use read access to this drive, which works fine in breezy
[02:44] <arlington> ic
[02:45] <mrj> is it normal
[02:45] <Hobbsee> i think
[02:45] <mrj> that even when i ununstal nvidia-glx i still have the nvidia modul ?
[02:45] <wimpies> hobbsee, arlington, check man mount (uid, gid, umaks options when mounting ntfs partitions)
[02:45] <mrj> wimpies:  ?
[02:46] <wimpies> donno, I have an ATI card but it is possible yes because you have drivers in the kernel and drivers for X
[02:46] <mrj> i was wrong i have not installed other stuff
[02:46] <jsubl2> Hobbsee: arlington read the section on Mount Options for ntfs carefully
[02:46] <mrj> just the nvidia-glx package
[02:46] <arlington> btw, when I updated fstab I added all of this line "dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0"
[02:46] <mrj> but the modul nvidia .... stays
[02:46] <wimpies> umask 222 means rw but NOT execute hence no access to folders for linux !!!!
[02:46] <arlington> what lines are they at?
[02:46] <arlington> k
[02:47] <mrj> wimpies: i have encouraged a problem - my windows freezes when i install the nvidia-glx
[02:47] <mrj> wimpies: i have encouraged a problem - my window freezes when i install the nvidia-glx
[02:47] <mrj> and when i edit the xorg.conf
[02:47] <MrClever> merlino: yes - so now you should have sshd running.  If not "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[02:48] <wimpies> mrj : check /var/log/Xorg.... and see what is going on
[02:48] <kalenedrael> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[02:48] <arlington> :P
[02:48] <MrClever> merlino: if you're behind a firewall, make sure TCP/22 is open or forwarded to your machine.
[02:48] <wimpies> My umask = 0000
[02:49] <arlington> btw, how do I exit out of man mount when I'm done?
[02:49] <MrClever> wimpies: umask=0 is the same as umask=0000000000000000000000 :P
[02:49] <arlington> or want to try something out?
[02:49] <MrClever> arlington: hit 'q'
[02:49] <arlington> ahh, ok
[02:49] <wimpies> yes but it is more common to write 0000   ... just a habit
[02:49] <MrClever> arlington: or the reset button :P
[02:49] <arlington> ROFL
[02:49] <Hobbsee> "/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0" is the line you want in your fstab, with it modified to your hard drive
[02:49] <arlington> no thanks, I like "Q" better
[02:49] <MrClever> wimpies: actually, umasks only have three digits.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> what?
[02:50] <NeverDream> thanks, all :)
[02:50] <MrClever> we covered this umask madness a few hours ago didn't we?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hmmm...this is odd
[02:50] <arlington> I copied my unmask and everything else from the ubuntu mounting turotial
[02:50] <wimpies> MrClever : again you are right (habit taken over from chmod ??)
[02:50] <merlino> MrClever: its still failing
[02:51] <arlington> I used this "/dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0" but modified it for my sata drive
[02:51] <Hobbsee> wimpies: do we have to use chmod to fix this?
[02:51] <wimpies> no
[02:51] <wimpies> because you have no opportunity to run the chmod
[02:51] <MrClever> wimpies: yah - common assumption, but chmod will also set sticky and UID/GID bits, which umask can't do.  umask also can't set the executable bit either. :)
[02:52] <wimpies> it is best to set the umask in fstab
[02:52] <MrClever> merlino: which bit is failing?  sshd not starting? or remote connections not possible?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> what to set the umask to though?
[02:52] <wimpies> I have 000
[02:53] <MrClever> wimpies: so umask really only has three valid digits which must be between 0-6
[02:53] <wimpies> Got it ...
[02:53] <arlington> so I should remove the 0 in 0222?
[02:53] <wimpies> apparently it does not matter since 0222 octal == 222 octal
[02:53] <arlington> I understand
[02:53] <arlington> :P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought, remembering only slight bits of octal
[02:54] <Hobbsee> why the heck is this stuff in octal anyway?
[02:54] <arlington> yeah
[02:54] <arlington> probably cause it's the most comonly used format?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> what the....
[02:54] <arlington> other than that haven't a clue
[02:55] <Hobbsee> setting it to 000 doesnt seem to work either...
[02:55] <wimpies> hobbsee, donno, history ?, the chmod System call also generally is writtein in octal
[02:55] <arlington> well I think binary is in octal isn't it?
[02:55] <MrClever> Hobbsee: coz you only need 3 bits for each permission group. 2^3 =8 so it made sense to use octal
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:55] <arlington> ic
[02:55] <wimpies> hobbsee if you do ls -l  do you get r-xr-xr-x ?
[02:55] <arlington> would my fstab then be setup correctly?
[02:55] <MrClever> yeh 3bits-3bits-3bits
[02:56] <Hobbsee> with sudo in front of it:  dr-x------ 1
[02:56] <wimpies> if you run mount does it show the umask=000 ?
[02:56] <MrClever> so the owner has read-only permissions on the directory
[02:57] <MrClever> DJ_Mer_: how did you get on with sshd?
[02:57] <arlington> mine says dr-x--------------- 1 root root etc......
[02:57] <arlington> all the way down
[02:58] <wimpies> run mount and check if umask is properly applied
[02:58] <Hobbsee> wimpies: /dev/hda1 on /media/windows type ntfs (rw)
[02:58] <arlington> what am i looking for?
[02:58] <wimpies> so you probably did not unmount /dev/hda1 first
[02:58] <wimpies> for me it reads (ro,umask=000)
[02:59] <arlington> I ran mount under my windows dir
[02:59] <wimpies> you can run from anywhere
[02:59] <Hobbsee>  /dev/hda1 on /media/windows type ntfs (rw,nls=utf8,umask=000)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ah ha...
[02:59] <Hobbsee> bingo
[02:59] <wimpies> best mount readonly
[02:59] <arlington> I have /dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (rw)
[02:59] <_jeff> hey guys
[03:00] <wimpies> arlington : do cd / ; umount /dev/sda5 ; mount /dev/sda5 and check again
[03:00] <wimpies> mind the ';'
[03:00] <_jeff> does anybody know how to get thumbnails of videos in konqueror?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> sudo mount -a works for the second command, too
[03:00] <_jeff> i just got kubuntu yesterday
[03:00] <arlington> should I stay in root?
[03:00] <wimpies> _jeff : enable preview (view->preview in konqueror)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> no, not unless you have to
[03:00] <wimpies> arlington yes
[03:00] <arlington> k
[03:01] <arlington> I tried unmount but it says command not found
[03:01] <_jeff> wimpies: it doesnt have an option for video
[03:01] <wimpies> umount
[03:01] <Hobbsee> umount
[03:01] <arlington> ohh
[03:01] <_jeff> wimpies: unless they've named it someting strange
[03:01] <_jeff> wimpies: everything is enabled except audio
[03:01] <wimpies> I my conqueror I have preview videofiles (3.4)
[03:02] <wimpies> I think the video preview only works if you hover over the icon
[03:02] <wimpies> like with audio
[03:02] <arlington> ok I have it mounted
[03:02] <wimpies> no it works for me... video thumbnails are created
[03:02] <_jeff> wimpies: no i mean the thumbnail
[03:03] <arlington> now i need to run mount?
[03:03] <_jeff> wimpies: any idea why it might not show in mine?
[03:03] <wimpies> plugins ?
[03:03] <arlington> here is what it says this time "/dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)"
[03:03] <arlington> :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> so what does ls -la /media/windows show you?
[03:03] <wimpies> did you modify your umask in /etc/fstab ?????
[03:04] <arlington> I did originally
[03:04] <wimpies> check, check, check ;=)
[03:04] <arlington> to this /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0 (just changed over for sata drive)
[03:04] <MrClever> arlington: any reason you're trying to ntfs in read+write?  The ntfs write code is really buggy...you can cause serious file system corruption if you try to write to an NTFS partition.
[03:04] <arlington> I'm not trying to
[03:04] <wimpies> NEVER use write !!!
[03:04] <arlington> thats just what i've got so far
[03:04] <wimpies> as said umask is still 0222 !!!
[03:05] <arlington> I didn't think I'd done that
[03:05] <wimpies> i told you to modify to 000
[03:05] <MrClever> arlington: see the "rw" after the ntfs?  rw=read+write
[03:05] <arlington> oh, what does it need ot b
[03:05] <arlington> ic
[03:05] <arlington> just a sec
[03:05] <arlington> I couldn't figure that out cause wasn't sure who was talking to who! :P
[03:05] <wimpies> set it to ro,umask=000
[03:05] <MrClever> arlington: just change the fstab line to NOT use the "defaults" options
[03:06] <arlington> IOW changing 0222 to 000?
[03:06] <MrClever> arlington: use something like "/dev/hda1  /media/windows  ntfs  ro,user,umask=222  0  0"
[03:06] <wimpies> no !!! 000 !!! please !!!
[03:06] <arlington> 8-O which is it?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> what's 2 do, compared to 0?
[03:07] <wimpies> each file is access protected
[03:07] <wimpies> since windows does not use the same mechanism as linux you need to tell linux how to provide access to the windows files
[03:07] <MrClever> umask=222 means "turn off the writeable bit for new files" - it has NO bearing on existing files.
[03:07] <wimpies> hence the mask
[03:08] <arlington> so in essence 222 would mean it's Read only?
[03:08] <MrClever> wimpies: not quite.  umask only affects the default permissions on NEW files.  It WONT prevent you from creating the files in the first place.
[03:08] <wimpies> yes but you can also add ro
[03:08] <MrClever> exactly what I suggested in the fstab line I posted a second ago.
[03:08] <arlington> right now I have ro,user,umask=222 under <options>
[03:09] <wimpies> correct but since you cannot create files on ntfs (preferrable so)  it is the same
[03:09] <arlington> ic
[03:09] <arlington> <type is set at ntfs
[03:09] <MrClever> The options were "ro,user,umask=222" - read-only, user-mountable, and umask preventing new files from being writeable...for completeness
[03:09] <arlington> ic
[03:10] <arlington> and I understand! :D
[03:10] <arlington> ok I saved and exited
[03:10] <MrClever> but if the the whole file system is read-only, umask=0 would make just as much sense, seeing as you can't create files, the mask means nothing :)
[03:11] <arlington> oyvey!
[03:11] <arlington> :P
[03:11] <Coolio10> i just messed up my second install  aswell!
[03:11] <arlington> ok here is what i got after remounting it /dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=222)
[03:12] <arlington> and if you all prefer I will change it to umask=000, if you want
[03:12] <arlington> :P
[03:12] <Coolio10> my first install didntb work so i done it again but now the second install is thinking that its already installed so now i havent even configured half of the settings!!!
[03:12] <arlington> hobbsee: you have two fstabs?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> arlington: sure, kubuntu breezy, and kubuntu dapper
[03:12] <MrClever> arlington: that looks about spot on for an NTFS partition - well done :)
[03:12] <Coolio10> and everything isnt set right!
[03:13] <arlington> thanks MrClever!
[03:13] <Coolio10> how do i remove kubuntu completely?
[03:13] <arlington> IC Hobbsee
[03:13] <Hobbsee> thankyou MrClever and wimpies
[03:13] <Hobbsee> arlington: this is a tripple boot machine lol - 40 gb laptop
[03:13] <Coolio10> i already know how to remove the mbr but i have troubles with the partitions so i guess the second install read the first one
[03:13] <Coolio10> what three systems you have?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: did you tell it to delete all partitions first?
[03:14] <arlington> so now that ought to mean I can access anything on that partition from anywhere?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: xp, kubuntu breezy, kubuntu dapper
[03:14] <arlington> nope guess I have to be root for that from console
[03:14] <Coolio10> why you need 2 versions?
[03:14] <Coolio10> well i kinda didnt delete them completely
[03:14] <Hobbsee> one's for testing
[03:14] <arlington> I tried a dir from /media/windows and I got permisson denied
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: and why not?
[03:15] <Coolio10> i deleted them but the kubuntu drive was unallocated so i couldnt remove it completely without commercial prgorams
[03:15] <Hobbsee> arlington: you usually want ls :P - it's got pretty colours
[03:15] <arlington> :P
[03:15] <Coolio10> i used the windows tool which only made it unallocated
[03:15] <arlington> I still get permisson denied from Konsole, unless I run sudo
[03:16] <MrClever> arlington: on /media/windows?
[03:16] <arlington> yes
[03:16] <wimpies> again give us ls -l /media/windows/*
[03:17] <MrClever> what is the permission of the mount point?
[03:17] <Coolio10> what program can i use to remove it completely?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: did you try to format the drive *before* you removed the MBR?
[03:17] <wimpies> Coolio : delete the partition
[03:17] <Coolio10> i reparied the mbr then removed the partitions
[03:17] <wimpies> coolio : boot from CD and reinstall
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: reinstall, delete the entire disk, and get it to automatically create the partitions for you
[03:18] <Coolio10> that just uses the first install settings
[03:18] <Hobbsee> during the install, that is
[03:18] <Coolio10> i did
[03:18] <arlington> well when I run ls -l I get dr--r----x  1 root root on all the folders inside
[03:18] <arlington> (I had to run it using sudo)
[03:18] <Coolio10> the first time i messed up and this second time its skipping half of the installation setup
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: clearly you didnt - dont try and get rid of all the MBR first
[03:18] <Coolio10> how can i do that?
[03:18] <MrClever> here's the ntfs partition on my machine: /dev/hda1 on /mnt/winxp type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=0)
[03:18] <Coolio10> i used testdisk from UBCD4WIN
[03:18] <Coolio10> which rebuilt the mbr
[03:19] <arlington> here is mine /dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=222)
[03:19] <wimpies> MrClever : perhaps 222 is interpreted NOT as octal hence the messup
[03:19] <wimpies> try 0222 arlington
[03:19] <arlington> k
[03:19] <MrClever> BUT with the file system unmounted, the mount point is: drwxrwxr-x   2 root  users   48 2005-08-26 10:27 winxp
[03:19] <MrClever> notice "users" has full access?
[03:20] <wimpies> MrClever : i do not think that access are inherited.  Each dir has its own rights so that only matters for the ROOT of winxp
[03:20] <Coolio10> should i delete the partitions then fix the mbr somehow?
[03:21] <MrClever> wimpies: the permissions are inherited, but in my case the owner+user permissions loose the writeable bit.
[03:21] <arlington> ok after I changed it to 0222 here it is: /dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,umask=0222)
[03:21] <MrClever> wimpies: dr-xr-xr-x   1 root  root  8192 2005-11-10 14:22 winxp  <- after mounting.
[03:22] <arlington> ok now I get dr-xr-xr-x
[03:22] <arlington> and I didn't have to go to sudo to do it!
[03:22] <Coolio10> im dead:'-(
[03:22] <arlington> :D:D:D
[03:22] <MrClever> arlington: well done :)
[03:22] <arlington> thanks
[03:22] <arlington> so now I should be fully able to access what i need?
[03:22] <arlington> just not write anything ofcourse
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: ignore the mbr for a while - the contents will be overwritten by grub in the install
[03:23] <wimpies> again check the ext3 driver for NT ... really nice
[03:23] <MrClever> arlington: yup
[03:23] <arlington> w00t!
[03:23] <Hobbsee> explore2fs is really nice, too
[03:23] <Coolio10> so should i try to install again leaving the mbr?
[03:23] <arlington> I'm going to check out an mp3 right now
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: yes
[03:24] <MrClever> wimpies: on my lappy I have a NTFS parition win WinXP, a ReiserFS partition with Kubuntu and a FAT32 partition for stuff I need to share between windows and Linux :)
[03:24] <arlington> SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!
[03:24] <arlington> sorry for caps
[03:24] <arlington> it works!
[03:24] <Coolio10> should i delete the partitions usingk kubuntu and remake them?
[03:24] <arlington> Coolio10, yes
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Coolio10: during the install? yes
[03:24] <MrClever> arlington: very cool
[03:24] <arlington> but let it do it by itself
[03:24] <Coolio10> ok
[03:24] <wimpies> I hate fat because of case problems.     Been using the ext3 filesystem driver for XP/NT for some time now and it works great
[03:26] <arlington> I can't receive PM's right now, not registered under this username. I forgot the PW to my old username
[03:26] <wimpies> I write software for Linux and XP hence I need to boot from time to time.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> i only need it the other way, which makes explore2fs work pretty well for me
[03:26] <MrClever> wimpies: VMware?
[03:27] <wimpies> explore2fs is not good since it is an application.  the ext3 driver i speak of allows you to map an ext3 volume to say Q:
[03:27] <musashiden> hmm, so how do i configure konversation to use a proxy? yes i have an http proxy set up in the proxy setup option.
[03:27] <wimpies> vmware : tried it but not good for games ;=)
[03:27] <MrClever> wimpies: pitty I use ReiserFS eh?
[03:27] <wimpies> yes but your fat32 could be alterted to ext3
[03:27] <Hobbsee> wimpies: hmm...might be worth looking into
[03:27] <MrClever> lol - yah true...vmware is like trying to play Quake on a C64! :P
[03:28] <arlington> OUCH
[03:28] <wimpies> it is a free driver ... let me look
[03:28] <arlington> actually I've had pretty good luck with vmware
[03:28] <wimpies> for regular apps yes but not for games I assure you
[03:28] <arlington> didn't know you could use it to play games
[03:28] <MrClever> wimpies: but then I move from a format that is native to both OS'es to one that requires a 3rd-party driver in one OS....I loose more than I gain.  YMMV and that's cool.
[03:29] <arlington> you meaning like installing windows under vmware then trying to install and play a game?
[03:29] <wimpies> what is native ?
[03:29] <wimpies> you just install a XP filesystem driver (which is the same as your ntfs fs driver)
[03:30] <MrClever> arlington: if you can run it on the guest OS, VMware will execute it....often with software emulation when direct hardware acceleration is unavailable.
[03:30] <wimpies> moreover fat32 is NOT native NT
[03:30] <MrClever> true, but it's supported by the OS without 3rd party drivers.
[03:31] <wimpies> just a small app you install (like your driver for you flash memory or DV camera or whatever)
[03:31] <wimpies> I assure you that once installed it looks as native as browsing zip archives, you can use it from ANY application (!!)
[03:31] <wimpies> and it is free
[03:31] <wimpies> it is a german student who wrote it ... looking for the name now
[03:32] <wimpies> ext2ifs 1_10a
[03:33] <wimpies> mind the version number, there is an older one around but you need this one.  it is perfect !
[03:33] <wimpies> I use it for an external driver, my Flash pen root partition etc
[03:33] <wimpies> full read and write access and no hassles with case problems
[03:34] <arlington> have any of you tried to update KDE?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> arlington: from what to what?
[03:34] <arlington> I've been working on it for about two or so hours and it still is just sitting there
[03:34] <arlington> well I think it's 3.4 to 3.5
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yes, ages ago
[03:35] <Hobbsee> try closing adept?
[03:35] <arlington> I have Kubuntu 5.04
[03:35] <wimpies> I heard that you should wait for 3.5 until more apps have upgraded.
[03:35] <arlington> and Kynaptic ishas just been sitting there forever
[03:35] <wimpies> 3.4 is still preferred
[03:35] <arlington> hmmm
[03:36] <jsubl2> arlington: update to 5.10
[03:36] <MrClever> arlington: to KDE3.5?
[03:36] <arlington> well last time I closed down Kynaptic before it was back from being greyed out I got broken packages and reinstalled instead of trying to fix them
[03:36] <arlington> yes i believe so
[03:37] <MrClever> I play with KDE2.5 on a non-work machine and IMHO, it's not quite ready for a serious work-station....bit buggy
[03:37] <Hobbsee> definetly update to 5.10, unless you're on dialup or something...
[03:37] <MrClever> Gah - s/2.5/3.5/
[03:37] <Hobbsee> MrClever: i use it on both my systems, no problems...well the dapper bits are, but that's unrelated
[03:37] <arlington> I added the package link from the Kubuntu website to my sources.list, checked for updates then told it to update
[03:37] <arlington> ic
[03:38] <arlington> whats the easiest way to update to 5.10? and can I just close Kynaptic now? or will i get broken packages again?
[03:38] <wimpies> just replace the distribution name to breezy
[03:39] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[03:41] <arlington> which should I do?
[03:41] <arlington> and should I close kynaptic?
[03:41] <arlington> or let it continue?
[03:42] <arlington> well I have to run to a concert, I'll try and come back tonight, but not sure if I can make it. if not thanks for all the help and hope to see you guys again
[03:43] <arlington> and gals ;)
[03:43] <arlington> so until I'm back, Night all!
[03:50] <jager> moo
[03:54] <myuser> hi
[03:55] <MrClever> Hobbsee: yah - by KDE3.5 I mean't "Dapper" :P
[03:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, well i wouldnt use dapper on a regular basis for a while yet, but 3.5 on breezy seems fine
[04:21] <sophie_> hello all
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi sophie_
[04:25] <sophie_> really quiet in here
[04:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, seems to be
[04:25] <Hobbsee> was busyish earlier
[04:25] <manveru> *noise*
[04:25] <Hobbsee> but a lot of people are probably here, but idle
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi manveru
[04:25] <manveru> hey hobbsee :)
[04:26] <manveru> hmm - let's make some noise and ask if e17 will be added in some dapper-form - like eubuntu :)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> isnt e17 gnome related?
[04:27] <manveru> is it?
[04:27] <manveru> they are more gtk-related
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ah, that's the connection
[04:27] <manveru> wich is the thing i dislike about it btw...
[04:28] <manveru> hmm, ok - that was the noise i had...
[04:32] <nalioth> Hobbsee: enlightenment is not related at all to gnome or kde, it is a Desktop Environment of great beauty in its own right
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[04:33] <Hobbsee> must check it out then
[04:33] <sophie_> by the way enlightenment.org seems to be down
[04:33] <sophie_> from here
[04:34] <nalioth> Hobbsee: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155&highlight=enlightenment
[04:34] <jsubl2> http://get-e.org/
[04:36] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[04:36] <Hobbsee> http://enlightenment.org.au/ is the new link for that, sophie_
[04:39] <jager> e17 worth dicking with yet?
[04:39] <jager> last time i tried it it was a bit sparse
[04:39] <sophie_> jager: nope
[04:39] <nalioth> it's quite beautiful, jager see the link to the forums i posted
[04:40] <jager> been following it with great interest
[04:43] <sophie_> I've just received 30 free cd thru mail from getubuntu I wish I could get free cd for kubuntu, i beleive kubuntu is much better for new users
[04:45] <manveru> well, i'm running on e17 since about a month
[04:45] <nalioth> sophie_: when you have your install parties you can instruct everyone in getting kubuntu
[04:46] <sophie_> nalioth: giving away a cd with label and case I think it gives confidence to newbie (famil)
[04:47] <nalioth> sophie_: correct. but you should have an install/lan party with them, i think.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> that'd be fun to do
[04:49] <vendetta> thanks to Kuyaedz i can get on irc through linux
[04:49] <vendetta> :-D
[04:53] <sophie_> nalioth: I dont think my 65 year old uncle would like to party on quake
[04:53] <nalioth> sophie_: no have a lan party for installing *buntu
[04:56] <jager> think i'm waiting on e17 till rc
[04:59] <sophie_> anyone here use ipod on kde
[04:59] <sophie_> Is there somethong better than using amrok for podcast
[05:01] <jager> amorok rules me
[05:01] <jager> it is the One True Music Player
[05:01] <jager> btw anyone use projectm with amarok?
[05:02] <manveru> jager: wth is projectm?
[05:04] <sophie_> jager:  amrok rules for podcasting
[05:06] <sophie_> jager:  amrok rules for podcasting? Have tried something else
[05:07] <jager> projectm is a milkdrop reimplementation for xmms/x11
[05:08] <jager> think the really kickass winamp plugin
[05:08] <jager> better than anything else i've seen for linux, period
[05:08] <bur[n] er> anyone using tango icon set?
[05:08] <jager> i had it working for a bit, and something i did fucked it up and i can't get it back
[05:08] <bur[n] er> for some reason, my folder icons are still the crystal icons
[05:09] <jager> sorry bur[n] er no
[05:09] <bur[n] er> just checkn
[05:09] <MrClever> jager: except amarok keeps crashing on both my AMD64 and i386 machines....
[05:09] <bur[n] er> MrClever: 1.3.7?
[05:10] <MrClever> Dunno - hang on I'll check :)
[05:10] <bur[n] er> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php
[05:10] <MrClever> 1.3.1 - Standard that comes with Breezy
[05:10] <bur[n] er> get that ;)
[05:11] <MrClever> ok - I noticed my AMD64 (that uses a MySQL database) crashes amarok far less than my i386 lappy (which doesn't use MySQL)
[05:13] <bur[n] er> MrClever: doesn't it use sqlite?
[05:13] <vendetta> how do you send files through Konversatoin?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> DCC
[05:14] <vendetta> nm figured it out
[05:14] <MrClever> bur[n] er: nup - I already have a MySQL server on my LAN for my web sites and a few other things, so I figured what the hell :P
[05:15] <bur[n] er> heh
[05:24] <Mr_President> Hi all
[05:26] <_jag> hi
[05:28] <Mr_President> Does anyone know how to change double-click speeds for gtk apps?
[05:31] <Mr_President> anyone?
[05:34] <nalioth> Mr_President: ask in #ubuntu
[05:35] <Mr_President> ok thanks
[05:40] <seth_k> hmm, did any Dapper users have sound die today?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ah, it works for me here...
[05:41] <seth_k> "You're mom" -> "You are mom" -> I'm not mom
[05:41] <munzir> Hi Sirs, I just installed ubuntu and had a kubuntu around me. Some one told me I can install merge it with ubuntu how?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> seth_k: music thru amarok as well
[05:41] <Hobbsee> seth_k: how are you testing for it?
[05:42] <seth_k> Hobbsee, no music in amaroK, no sound from zSNES (uses libsdl), no KDE alert noises (uses artsd)
[05:42] <seth_k> tried headphones too just in case it was my speakers :P
[05:42] <Hobbsee> weird
[05:42] <seth_k> munzir, you can install kubuntu with "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:43] <seth_k> meh, I don't see any upgrades I did that even relate to sound
[05:43] <seth_k> b/c it worked last night
[05:44] <munzir> seth_k: would this install from the CD or the net?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> i think there were a series of libs that got upgraded
[05:44] <seth_k> munzir, the net... you have a Kubuntu CD?
[05:44] <rideout> seth_k: perhaps it is an old update from a few days ago that didn't take effect until a recent reboot?
[05:44] <seth_k> Hobbsee, I know akode -> libakode, but I have libakode
[05:44] <munzir> seth_k: yes
[05:44] <rideout> or something along those lines
[05:44] <seth_k> rideout, uptime 37 hours
[05:45] <seth_k> and it worked < 24 hours ago
[05:45] <seth_k> good thought tho
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:46] <seth_k> munzir, then put in the CD
[05:46] <seth_k> and run "sudo apt-cdrom add"
[05:46] <seth_k> it should tell you it's successfully added the Kubuntu CD
[05:46] <seth_k> then run the previous command I gave, and it'll install from CD :)
[05:49] <munzir> seth_k: I just put the CD and it asked me to add it to the update manager or something. All packages are now on synaptic, should I go this route and choose kde or forget about it and use your method?
[05:50] <seth_k> munzir, that's fine if it added it automagically :) sometimes that doesn't work, but if it did for you, great!
[05:50] <seth_k> Now install the kubuntu-desktop package
[05:50] <seth_k> not the kde package
[05:50] <seth_k> it'll come up during install and tell you to pick a login manager; you can choose either kdm or gdm. They'll both be able to access both Gnome and KDE.
[05:52] <munzir> seth_k: I can't find a package called kubuntu-desktop at all!
[05:53] <nalioth> munzir: then something is very very wrong
[05:54] <trekkor> how do i find out in which package a certain file is included (for instance, /bin/kuser)?
[05:56] <trekkor> munzir: do you have all the repositories added?
[05:57] <nalioth> trekkor: install apt-file, use sudo to update it and then you can apt-file search $STRING all you like
[05:57] <trekkor> munzir: i would use synaptic and simply type kubun... and it should find it
[05:57] <bimberi> trekkor: dpkg -S /bin/kuser (if it's installed)
[05:57] <trekkor> bimberi: i guess there's no solution for the case in which it is not installed, right?
[05:58] <bimberi> trekkor: apt-file or http://packages/ubuntu.com (contents search)
[05:58] <trekkor> bimberi: oh, right. thanks, and thank you nalioth
[05:58] <munzir> trekkor: ok I opened synaptic -> Search -> typed kubuntu => no results!
[05:58] <bimberi> munzir: wierd, i'd try adding the CD via Synaptic (Edit menu) even though it appeared to do it before)
[06:00] <trekkor> munzir: is your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:00] <trekkor>  ok?
[06:00] <trekkor> munzir: is your /etc/apt/sources.list ok?
[06:00] <trekkor> munzir: how many packages does synaptic say you have available?
[06:01] <bimberi> munzir: or via apt-cdrom (as per seth_k above).  I've also found the automagical adding to be unreliable
[06:02] <munzir> trekkor: Mavellous. adding the CD again manually did the trick
[06:02] <munzir> bimberi: ^
[06:02] <trekkor> munzir: it happens sometimes :)
[06:02] <munzir> thanks all
[06:03] <bimberi> munzir: great! :)
[06:03] <trekkor> bimberi: should this package be only on the cd (no other repo, that is)?
[06:04] <trekkor> bimberi: (the kubuntu cd)
[06:04] <nalioth_zZz> trekkor: kubuntu-desktop is available online
[06:04] <trekkor> nalioth_zZz: so it's just what i thought: munzir didn't have all the repos added to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:05] <nalioth_zZz> !sources
[06:05] <ubotflu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:05] <nalioth_zZz> !repos
[06:05] <ubotflu> I heard repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[06:05] <trekkor> s/all\ the/any/
[06:05] <nalioth_zZz> everything one needs to know, to check his or her files
[06:05] <bimberi> trekkor: no, it's online but munzir wanted to install from CD only
[06:05] <trekkor> bimberi: oh, then i must have missed the first part
[06:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:09] <trekkor> btw, which one would you recommend, adept or synaptic (i am new to ubuntu or any debian based distro)?
[06:10] <Hobbsee> either, they do more or less the same thing
[06:10] <trekkor> Hobbsee: well, which one more and which one less?! :D
[06:10] <Hobbsee> i prefer adept
[06:10] <Hobbsee> but synaptic's probably easier if you dont know the package name you want
[06:11] <trekkor> Hobbsee: for instance, which one is evolving more rapidly?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> i mostly use apt-get
[06:11] <trekkor> Hobbsee: i see.
[06:11] <trekkor> Hobbsee: do you have any idea how to change uids?
[06:11] <digits> I think that Adept would be easier to a newbie
[06:11] <trekkor> Hobbsee: i want to migrate my users to kubuntu
[06:12] <Hobbsee> er...no, i dont think so
[06:12] <trekkor> Hobbsee: and i need to change their uids
[06:12] <Hobbsee> change it in kuser maybe?  i'm not sure
[06:12] <trekkor> Hobbsee: ok. thank you.
[06:12] <jag__> edit /etc/passwd?
[06:13] <digits> trekkor: usermod -u uid login
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: usermode
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> usermod - what digits said :)
[06:14] <trekkor> digits, LeeJunFan: does usermode take care of all related etc files (groups, shaddow, gshaddow, password, whatever)?
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: no, it will only modify the uid, it can do groups as well but gpasswd is probably better for modifying groups a user belongs to.
[06:15] <trekkor> jager: /etc/passwd is not the only file... and i am not sure how many of them are related to this
[06:15] <jager> hm me either :(
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: why do you need to keep the uid for users? simply to maintain file ownership in /home?
[06:16] <munzir> Sirs! Now I tried to install 3dchess and it said a dependency is not installable. Shouldn't all dependecies be on the CD
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: and possibly /var/spool/mail?
[06:18] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: i need to use the same users on both kubuntu and my older distro for a while and i want to use ubuntu-style uids (that is, beginning with 1000).
[06:19] <trekkor> munzir: yes, as long as 3dchess itself is on the cd.
[06:19] <digits> trekkor: groupmod takes care of groups
[06:19] <munzir> trekkor: yes it's
[06:20] <trekkor> munzir: i have no clue. 3dchess doesn't work on my kubuntu either, but i think it installed well.
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: you're going to need to build a shell script to pull that off. something like http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/461849
[06:22] <munzir> trekkor: if setting -> repo shows the universe repo is this means it's added and tha's all? still it complains of missing depends
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: of course that will have to be modified to add users with the shell you want to give them, etc...
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: that is the script I used to copy all my users from a mandrake mailserver to an ubuntu mailserver.
[06:24] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: first copy your /home dir over.
[06:30] <trekkor> munzir: it should also be checked
[06:31] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: coincidence! i need it for mandriva => ubuntu, too. thank you.
[06:31] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: i intend to use a home symlink for now
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: okay, notice the script will copy the users from the old mandrake passwd and shadow files, use useradd to add them, then chown -R all the home dirs. IT doesn't do the /var/spool/mail stuff because I switched to using Maildir when I did mine.
[06:34] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: does usermod also take care of the (file)system-wide file ownership for that user (uid)?
[06:34] <trekkor> LeeJunFan: i see
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: so you save that to a file, call it moveusers.sh or something, chmod +x it, run it was root with ./moveusers.sh [path to mandrake's /etc dir]
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: nope, each file or dir on the system is tagged with a # of uid,gid. if you simply assign new uid's to username you'll end up with a mess of people owning each others files unless you chown them.
[06:35] <LeeJunFan> after.
[06:36] <LeeJunFan> trekkor: but then your users shouldn't have files they own in any other dirs than /home and possibly /var/spool/mail :)
[06:39] <jrattner1> Is there any way to make evolution to show a POP UP or something if new mail arrives?
[06:39] <jrattner1> Anything more then play a sound clip/
[06:39] <jrattner1> ?
[06:45] <sophie_> jrattner1: try #ubuntu instead if u r using evolution
[06:47] <jrattner1> Are there any mail notification applets for KDE?
[06:47] <jrattner1> if so any suggestions?
[06:47] <sophie_> jrattner1: knail has one build in
[06:48] <rideout> sophie: kmail, you mean?
[06:48] <sophie_> rideout: yep
[06:49] <jrattner1> sophie_, besides kmal
[06:49] <jrattner1> kmail
[06:49] <sophie_> jrattner1: theirs one for gmail
[06:49] <jrattner1> for KDE?
[06:49] <sophie_> yep
[06:49] <jrattner1> what do you mean?
[06:50] <jrattner1> I'm looking for applet that will tell me the new mail count and that i can click to launch my mail reader
[06:50] <sophie_> jrattner1: ok
[06:51] <sophie_> jrattner1:
[06:51] <jrattner1> yes?
[06:51] <sophie_> jrattner1: apt-cache search notifier
[06:51] <sophie_> update-notifier - Daemon which notifies about package updates
[06:51] <sophie_> bbmail - Mail notifier for Blackbox
[06:51] <sophie_> coolmail - Mail notifier with 3d graphics
[06:51] <sophie_> gmail-notify - gmail new mail notifier
[06:51] <sophie_> melon - Mail notifier with configurable icons, xbiff replacement
[06:51] <sophie_> xlassie - Dockable mail notifier w/ message count & POP3/APOP/IMAP support
[06:51] <jrattner1> thank you
[06:53] <sophie_> jrattner1: why not just use kmail that feature is build in
[06:54] <jrattner1> cause I like the calendar that evolution has
[07:02] <sophie_> ok im gone
[07:16] <Owner> hi
[07:16] <ilba7r> how to set natlius to open a specific extension (.lyx in my case) with a specific application (lyx in my case). PS right click then setting open with in properties is not working and i do not know why so am seeking other solutions?
[07:17] <lwizardl> i just had kubuntu lockup when i tried to start limewire and now everytime i start my linux os up i have no internet connection
[07:19] <ilba7r> lwizardi that is wierd what type of internet connection you have
[07:19] <ilba7r> wireless or wired
[07:19] <lwizardl> wired
[07:19] <lwizardl> if i switch to my windows os (same pc) i get internet
[07:19] <ilba7r> try in a terminal sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[07:20] <ilba7r> am sure that limewire just locked something. Kubuntu will start from the last state you had that is why the lock is still on
[07:21] <ilba7r> did you try to login with another user name and see if you have network or not?
[07:21] <lwizardl> yeah itsays something about restoring session
[07:21] <lwizardl> ilba7r: no only have 1 user setup
[07:21] <ilba7r> i bet you can have the connection if you logon with another user name
[07:22] <ilba7r> i do not know how to disable the restortion of the session though
[07:23] <lwizardl> ok i'm going to try the ifdown thing
[07:23] <lwizardl> brb
[07:23] <ilba7r> ok
[07:35] <DJ_Mer_> how do you get xmms to host music over shoutcast? can someone tell me?
[07:36] <Art_> What is the best way to get all of the extra stuff: Java, Flash, RealPlayer, MPlayer, ets. working in kubuntu?  Is there a good HOWTO?
[07:39] <lwizardl> ok didn't work
[07:39] <ilba7r> lwizardl look at this http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/startup.php and try to locate ksmserverrc. you can do so by openning a terminal and typing kwrite .ksmserverrc or cd .kde kwriet .ksmserverrc
[07:39] <ilba7r> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#fg-hardware
[07:39] <ilba7r> art_ look at the link i sent
[07:41] <Art_> ilba7r, Looks like a good site, thanx.
[07:42] <ilba7r> art you are welcomed
[07:42] <lwizardl> i don't understand
[07:43] <ilba7r> lwizardi the file i sent to you hold the last session you had you need to remove limewire from it
[07:43] <ilba7r> but first you need to find it
[07:44] <lwizardl> ilba7r: limewire works fine
[07:44] <lwizardl> in kubuntu finds files etc
[07:45] <lwizardl> but firefox, konquerer, and azurues all can't find net access
[07:46] <ilba7r> so you have the net
[07:46] <ilba7r> just some programs can not find it is that your pro b
[07:47] <lwizardl> so it seems yes
[07:48] <ilba7r> lwizardl this is strane prob and i am afraid i do not know a solution try someone else perhaps they know
[07:48] <lwizardl> np
[07:49] <lwizardl> thanks for trying
[07:49] <ilba7r> your welcomed
[07:55] <PyroMithrandir> anyone know why system:/ in konqueror doesn't go to / ?
[07:55] <PyroMithrandir> in KDE 3.5
[07:56] <lwizardl> anyone now how i can force kde to release the restore sessions ? kde is having issues with my internet
[07:59] <PyroMithrandir> lwizardl, there is an option to turn that off
[07:59] <PyroMithrandir> in the user accounts thing in the system settings
[07:59] <lwizardl> how?
[07:59] <PyroMithrandir> in session manager
[07:59] <lwizardl> i'm using my windows os now
[07:59] <PyroMithrandir> ok, well
[08:00] <PyroMithrandir> go back to kubuntu, and then open the system settings then User Account then Session Manager
[08:00] <PyroMithrandir> there is "On Login" with some radio buttons
[08:00] <PyroMithrandir> just do "start with an empty session"
[08:00] <lwizardl> ok
[08:00] <lwizardl> let me try
[08:00] <PyroMithrandir> I think that is what you want
[08:01] <lwizardl> brb
[08:05] <PyroMithrandir> Alright, guys, I did my good deed, now someone answer my question.
[08:15] <lwizardl> ok
[08:15] <lwizardl> that didn't work either
[08:16] <PyroMithrandir> it didn't?
[08:16] <lwizardl> no
[08:16] <PyroMithrandir> then I'm not sure what you want to happen
[08:16] <lwizardl> i just want to be able to surf the net
[08:17] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, but what does that have to do with restoring sessions?
[08:18] <lwizardl> i started limewire and it locked my computer up and someone thought that limewire locked something
[08:18] <lwizardl> since limewire works but nothing else does
[08:19] <PyroMithrandir> oh, man, limewire is nasty
[08:19] <PyroMithrandir> I'd uninstall it and use something like gtk-gnutella instead
[08:20] <lwizardl> PyroMithrandir: i tried apollon but that doesn't work at all
[08:21] <PyroMithrandir> well, for the gnutella network I use one called gtk-gnutella
[08:21] <PyroMithrandir> sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[08:21] <PyroMithrandir> to get it
[08:21] <lwizardl> i'll do that after i get my net working again
[08:22] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, I'm not sure what you are telling me
[08:22] <lwizardl> i don't want to have to reinstall linux again
[08:22] <PyroMithrandir> do you mean that no other applications respond?
[08:22] <lwizardl> becuase of a glitch
[08:22] <lwizardl> exactly
[08:22] <PyroMithrandir> or that nothing else can access the net
[08:22] <PyroMithrandir> oh, so you couldn't even get to the system settings, then?
[08:22] <lwizardl> limewire connections and searches fine
[08:23] <lwizardl> but firefox , konquerer both say can't find www.google.com
[08:23] <lwizardl> nothing else seems to fine internet
[08:23] <PyroMithrandir> well, that could be a DNS issue
[08:23] <viviersf> ag no man
[08:23] <viviersf> qtparted doesnt have support for resizing ext3
[08:23] <viviersf> :(
[08:24] <PyroMithrandir> lwizardl, I would have you try to go to <IP_ADDRESS> which is google's IP address
[08:24] <PyroMithrandir> and see if that works
[08:25] <lwizardl> ok sec
[08:25] <PyroMithrandir> wait a sec
[08:25] <lwizardl> ?
[08:25] <PyroMithrandir> you can also connect back to this server by using its IP
[08:25] <PyroMithrandir> <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:25] <PyroMithrandir> so that you don't have to boot back to windows
[08:26] <PyroMithrandir> you know, just open up on irc client and type /server <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:26] <PyroMithrandir> that's only if I'm right about it being a DNS issue though
[08:26] <lwizardl> ok
[08:26] <lwizardl> let me try
[08:27] <lwizardl> brb
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> k
[08:28] <PyroMithrandir> Yeah, so, does no one know about system:/ not being / in KDE 3.5
[08:29] <burepe2> How do I set a static ip address?
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> because I use the system menu in the panel to open up to system:/home and then I go up a directory to system:/ and I want it to be /
[08:30] <PyroMithrandir> network IP, burepe2?
[08:31] <PyroMithrandir> if so, it's in the network settings < system settings
[08:31] <PyroMithrandir> you configure the eth0 interface
[08:31] <PyroMithrandir> and tell it manual
[08:31] <PyroMithrandir> and then you put in you IP
[08:31] <burepe2> I did
[08:32] <burepe2> but now I cant connect to the net
[08:32] <burepe2> so I thought about using the command line
[08:33] <PyroMithrandir> did you make sure the Gateway on the Routes tab was your router's IP?
[08:33] <burepe2> nothing is written there
[08:33] <burepe2> that is <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:33] <burepe2> right?
[08:33] <PyroMithrandir> probably
[08:33] <PyroMithrandir> if that's the number you think it is, then it probably is
[08:34] <PyroMithrandir> some are <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:34] <burepe2> ok
[08:34] <burepe2> i tried the first number but it aint working
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> hm, well, try going to <IP_ADDRESS> in a web browser
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> see if that brings you to your router
[08:35] <burepe2> it does
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> well, then it should work
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> heh
[08:35] <burepe2> wait do i have to put the network up and down
[08:36] <PyroMithrandir> you shouldn't
[08:36] <PyroMithrandir> if you need to restart anything, it'd be you computer
[08:36] <PyroMithrandir> I'm not sure how kubuntu does that, though, but I really don't think you should have to restart
[08:37] <burepe2> the number is gone from the route section
[08:37] <burepe2> i hit apply
[08:37] <burepe2> but it didn't take it seems
[08:37] <PyroMithrandir> were you in Administrator mode?
[08:38] <burepe2> yeah
[08:38] <burepe2> what is static hosts
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> where do you see that?
[08:39] <burepe2> it says 127.0.1 localhost.localdomain local host gochagocha
[08:39] <burepe2> under the domain name system tab
[08:40] <PyroMithrandir> oh, uh, that is stuff that will direct those names to <IP_ADDRESS> (which is your computer)
[08:40] <burepe2> are you saying that is my comps ip address?
[08:40] <PyroMithrandir> uh, no
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> that number is always an IP that will direct you to the comp you are on
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> so, it kind of is your IP
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> just like it is mine
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> and everyone in this room's
[08:41] <burepe2> the ip i manually set was <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:42] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, and the domain name system doesn't have anything to do with that, really
[08:42] <burepe2> what about the netmask? what should that be?
[08:43] <PyroMithrandir> probably <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:43] <PyroMithrandir> or something like that
[08:43] <burepe2> Do you know how to set this up in the command line?
[08:43] <burepe2> I have <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:43] <PyroMithrandir> I don't know, no
[08:46] <burepe2> last time i did this i did it in gnome and it was fine, but I don't have gnome installed in this new set up
[09:01] <lwizardl> back
[09:01] <lwizardl> didn't work
[09:01] <lwizardl> can't be dns issue
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi guts
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i ask you a thing
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have an acer laptop with a 64MB ati mobility radeon card installed
[09:04] <fdelacruz> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2325 guys I find this link and show an additional repo can I use this on my kubuntu
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why my pc has problems running games, like soldier of fortune=
[09:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to improve the performances?
[09:20] <kosh> well you could try using the ati binary driver
[09:37] <burepe2> I tried to set a static ip and now my network is gone. My linux comp sees my windows comp, but neither of them see the linux comp. I changed the network back to dhcp, so now I can use the internet again, but I can't get to the other comp. Any suggestions?
[09:40] <ofir> hello all
[09:42] <ofir> cant access my bank acount with firefox - what can i do ?
[09:43] <ofir> someone here ?
[09:43] <burepe2> the question is kinda vague
[09:44] <burepe2> people probably don't know what you mean, or how to help.
[09:44] <burepe2> is it the log in to the account or is it the page itself?
[09:46] <ofir> its the display - i need something which is similar to ie
[09:46] <kosh> nothing is similar to ie
[09:46] <kosh> not even ie
[09:46] <kosh> you can try konqueror though to see if it works
[09:47] <ofir> i tried same as firefox
[09:47] <kosh> ie is a very quirky browser and many pages are designed for its quirks so nothing else works, however those quirks change from one patch to another
[09:47] <ofir> a get a message to use ie 5.5 and above
[09:47] <burepe2> yell at your bank
[09:47] <ofir> :)
[09:47] <kosh> I know I have run into pages designed for ie 5 that don't work at all in ie 6
[09:47] <kosh> ofir: yeah that is pretty much your only option, complain to your bank or get a different one
[09:48] <kosh> thankfully my bank has followed the standards the whole time
[09:48] <ofir> they will say "what is kubunto?:
[09:48] <kosh> ofir: kubuntu has nothing to do with it
[09:48] <kosh> ofir: the problem is that it does not work in firefox which they should know
[09:48] <ofir> i know , i read there was ie for linux ...
[09:48] <ofir> ok
[09:49] <kosh> ofir: nope
[09:49] <kosh> ofir: ie is windows only
[09:49] <kosh> ofir: the mac client was abandoned
[09:50] <kosh> ofir: and it had not been maintained in years before it was ... although the windows client has not been maintained in years either
[09:50] <fdelacruz> how can I enable root account
[09:50] <kosh> ofir: ie 7 though is going to BREAK a lot of websites
[09:50] <ofir> also i cant get the klik download to work and can not install anything not true the synaptic (and there is no skype or opera there)
[09:51] <ejofee> sudo synaptic
[09:51] <ejofee> sudo: must be setuid root
[09:51] <ejofee> why and how?
[09:51] <ofir> when i try to install i get a small error screen with nothing in it
[09:52] <ofir> synaptic do work    klik-no
[09:52] <ofir> also .cmg no
[09:52] <ejofee> how do i setuid root?
[09:53] <ejofee> and what un-(setuid root)ed it?
[09:53] <ofir> my mother is angry - she tells me install the oldthing (windows)
[09:54] <kosh> I can understand that
[09:54] <ofir> is there away to get skype true synaptic ?
[09:54] <munzir> hi sirs, I want to try kynaptic. It says: Error: "/tmp/ksocket-munzir" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[09:54] <munzir> Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
[09:54] <munzir> /usr/bin/iceauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/munzir/.ICEauthority
[09:54] <munzir> ICE Connection rejected!
[09:54] <ejofee> ofir: sure
[09:54] <munzir> DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[09:54] <munzir> ICE Connection rejected!
[09:54] <kosh> using IE is going to get your computer cracked though but if that is the only thing your bank supports then  your options are to use IE or change banks
[09:54] <kosh> if you have to use IE then you have to use windows
[09:54] <ofir> :) how ?  its not in the synaptic list
[09:54] <ejofee> ofir: just "sudo apt-get install skype"
[09:55] <kosh> however the odds are good that if your banks website breaks in firefox  then it will break in ie7 also
[09:55] <ejofee> ofir: of course, i assume you have added all sources from ubuntu.nl/source-o-matic
[09:55] <ofir> no i didnt
[09:56] <lippel> hi. how can i add a "custom" entry to kdm? i want to use my own ~/.xsession
[09:56] <ejofee> ofir: corrected: http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:56] <ejofee> ofir: so try this link. it's quite self-explanatory
[09:56] <ejofee> how do i setuid root?
[09:57] <ejofee> and what un-(setuid root)ed it?
[09:57] <ejofee> sudo synaptic
[09:57] <ejofee> sudo: must be setuid root
[09:57] <ejofee> please help me
[09:57] <ejofee> (provided that somebody knows the answer)
[09:57] <bimberi> ejofee: no idea what un-setuid-ed it
[09:58] <ejofee> bimberi: i played with the home account of the first created user
[09:58] <ejofee> bimberi: is it likely to be the cause?
[09:58] <bimberi> ejofee: highly unlikely
[09:58] <ofir> thanks i will try
[09:58] <ejofee> bimberi: any idea how i solve this (i must mention that i have my root account disabled)
[09:59] <bimberi> ejofee: i think you'll have to boot into recovery mode and "chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo"
[10:00] <ajus> where can i find complete repositories pleas?
[10:00] <kosh> ofir: if you need that bank site to work then you probalby need to switch back to windows
[10:00] <ejofee> bimberi: how do i boot into recovery mode? add a failsafe entry into lilo?
[10:00] <bimberi> ejofee: for reference my ls -l looks like   -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 93076 2005-10-29 05:19 /usr/bin/sudo
[10:00] <ejofee> bimberi: i am a newbye to ubuntu
[10:01] <ofir> opera will not work ?
[10:01] <bimberi> ejofee: "ls -l /usr/bin/sudo" to see what it looks like
[10:01] <ejofee> ofir: it will. why asking?
[10:01] <ajus> where can i find complete repositories please?
[10:01] <bimberi> ubotoflu tell ajus about repos
[10:01] <bimberi> ubotflu tell ajus about repos
[10:01] <bimberi> heh
[10:02] <ajus> bimberi: thanks
[10:02] <ofir> i mean with the bank ,,, (same as ie)
[10:02] <ejofee> bimberi: mine seems to be set to ejofee user (main user)
[10:02] <bimberi> ejofee: that is unusual, is the size the same (93076)?
[10:02] <ejofee> bimberi: yes, it is
[10:03] <bimberi> ejofee: that's a good sign :)
[10:03] <ejofee> bimberi: -rwxr-xr-x  1 ejofee ejofee 93076 2005-09-30 11:11 /usr/bin/sudo
[10:03] <ejofee> bimberi: yes it is :)
[10:04] <bimberi> ejofee: if you "ls -l /usr/bin" are they mostly owned by root?
[10:05] <ejofee> bimberi: all of them are ownded by ejofee!
[10:05] <bimberi> ejofee: ewwww, looks like a stray "chown" command has taken place :/
[10:05] <kosh> ejofee: very impressive, how did you manage that/
[10:06] <ejofee> bimberi: from my old distro. seems like will have to reinstall ubuntu, right?
[10:06] <ejofee> bimberi: i am in the process of migrating
[10:06] <bimberi> ejofee: the best option if it's not a major inconvenience
[10:06] <ejofee> s/will/i\ will/
[10:07] <kosh> I did a changeover from debian sid to kubuntu actually
[10:07] <bimberi> ejofee: vi user? :)
[10:07] <ejofee> bimberi: what if i refuse to also format? will it overwrite all packages?
[10:07] <kosh> not trivial but certainly doable
[10:07] <ajus> which one is better adept or synaptic?
[10:07] <ejofee> bimberi: no, i am a mc person, why?
[10:07] <bimberi> ejofee: the substition command you posted :)
[10:07] <ejofee> bimberi: i mean, i hope it won't overwrite them in such a way that they will keep the wrong owner
[10:08] <ejofee> bimberi: no, i am a sed user
[10:08] <ejofee> bimberi :)
[10:08] <bimberi> ejofee: :)
[10:08] <bimberi> ejofee: as to your Q, i really don't know sorry
[10:12] <burepe2> Help I can not see my linux comp from my windows comp
[10:12] <burepe2> my network is gone
[10:14] <ofir> in which package should be skype and opera ?
[10:17] <kosh> well skype is in the skype package and opera is in the opera package :)
[10:18] <SiO> r the repo servers still down?
[10:25] <ofir> which source ?
[10:34] <ofir> kosh : which source i use ?
[10:36] <bimberi> !skype
[10:36] <ubotflu> rumour has it, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:36] <bimberi> !opera
[10:36] <ubotflu> Opera isn't in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and get then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[10:36] <bimberi> ofir: there you go :)
[10:37] <ofir> thanks :)
[10:40] <entius> Hi, how can i start konqueror with the navigation panel already present?
[10:49] <ananth126> there is a a cmd-line option... but in most cases, pressing f9 and restarting it should continue from its last save...
[10:49] <ananth126> f9 = navigation panel
[10:53] <ofir> was able to run opera (i right click the deb and choose instalion)
[10:53] <ofir> thanks
[10:54] <entius> ananth126, i use konqueror with sudo, and when i restart the program it begins without the panel ...
[10:54] <entius> it's very annoying, and now i have a little of time to investigate
[11:12] <gath> hello
[11:12] <gath> a question
[11:13] <gath> it is possible to make strams with kuntu and if, which programm sould i use?
[11:14] <entius> it's done, i've found it, you have to save the actual view as the default (there is an option)
[11:18] <_noor> hi
[11:20] <amu> gath: kaffeine is what you're lokking for
[11:21] <amu> looking even
[11:27] <burepe2> Can anyone help me with my network
[11:33] <GTroy> hmm anyone know how to install 3.5?
[11:42] <burepe2> GTroy: I heard that 3.5 has a focusing problem, sure you want to do it?
[11:43] <GTroy> focusing?
[11:43] <GTroy> uh-oh
[11:43] <GTroy> I think it's already on the way
[11:43] <burepe2> yeah like it picks the wrong window to focus on
[11:43] <burepe2> I am not sure
[11:43] <burepe2> just heard it in passing
[11:44] <GTroy> hmmm
[11:44] <burepe2> someone said I just installed 3.5 and I have a focusing problem
[11:44] <GTroy> have you tried e17?
[11:44] <burepe2> then someone else said welcome to 3.5
[11:44] <GTroy> ok
[11:44] <burepe2> what is e17?
[11:44] <GTroy> heh the ultimate enlightenment
[11:44] <burepe2> is it a package?
[11:45] <ilba7r> burepe2 are you talking about e16 for i am using it now
[11:45] <GTroy> I don't think so
[11:45] <GTroy> no e17
[11:45] <ilba7r> no focusing problem you just need to select what you want
[11:45] <GTroy> ok I can live with that
[11:45] <GTroy> ilba7r have you tried e17?
[11:46] <ilba7r> yap
[11:46] <GTroy> little unstable
[11:46] <GTroy> messed up my firefox
[11:46] <ilba7r> but with each new update you have to reconfigure everythin you loose everythin
[11:46] <GTroy> I didn't
[11:46] <ilba7r> i had no problems with stability. just the reconfiguration problem
[11:47] <GTroy> you can set to have e17, and e16
[11:47] <ilba7r> yah but i will wait for a stable release
[11:47] <GTroy> at least I had thought that
[11:47] <GTroy> yeah, me too
[11:47] <ilba7r> and frankly i prefer e16 now
[11:47] <GTroy> how come?
[11:47] <ilba7r> though it is sometimes bugy
[11:48] <ilba7r> the snapshots for all your virutal desktops for i open a lot of programs at a time
[11:48] <ilba7r> also the ease by which you edit menus make your own style
[11:49] <ilba7r> I am using a theme caleed debiane much like mac os. and am kind of familiar with all the shortcuts now. epplets on the other hand are sometimes unstable
[11:49] <GTroy> the one thing I couldn't get around on e17 was no file manager
[11:50] <ilba7r> i ran nautilus and rox on it
[11:50] <ilba7r> both were very stable
[11:50] <GTroy> ok, maybe I'll switch back
[11:51] <ilba7r> frankly i did not like evidence a lot
[11:51] <GTroy> what's evidence?
[11:51] <GTroy> the e17 file manager?
[11:52] <GTroy> sorry about the 20 questions ilba7r
[11:52] <ilba7r> you are more than welcomed
[11:53] <GTroy> :D
[11:53] <ilba7r> yah evidence is e17 file manager but if i remember correctly it is property
[11:53] <GTroy> any precautions I should be aware of with e17?
[11:53] <ilba7r> its really hard to configure lol
[11:54] <GTroy> I didn't think it was that bad
[11:54] <ilba7r> there is a howto on the forums will tell you everything you need and all packages you need too
[11:54] <GTroy> gonna give it another try
[11:54] <ilba7r> let me check but my link might be old for i used to run it on hoary
[11:54] <GTroy> no I have it installed
[11:55] <GTroy> don't worry about it
[12:04] <eXistenZ> when will the bugs in the 3.5 be fixed?
[12:05] <burepe2> My kdesu kcontrol command won't work. The pass word dialog comes up but then nothing happens. Any suggestions?
[12:05] <ofir> hello exz which browser do you use in order to see sites which are not supporting firefox ?
[12:06] <eXistenZ> ofir, maybe konqueror would work
[12:06] <eXistenZ> but most of the sites are supported by firefox nowadays
[12:06] <ilba7r> ofir mozilla
[12:06] <eXistenZ> ilba7r, aren't they the same?
[12:06] <ilba7r> it is the linux netscape
[12:07] <ilba7r> though i never encountered a site that will not open with firefox. I had problems with opera but never firefox
[12:08] <ilba7r> existenz i am not sure if mozilla is discontinued but basically i think they are two browsers. Mozilla is basically netscape
[12:08] <MachineScrew> when KDE 3.5 is installed why dose the KDE SDK break the install
[12:09] <ofir> one bank site told me i am using netscape 4 and told me to switch to m ie
[12:10] <MachineScrew> ofir: you can tell the browser like konquer to pretend to be IE 6
[12:10] <MachineScrew> ofir: click on tools and select change browser identification
[12:11] <ofir> ok :)
[12:11] <MachineScrew> chose IE then IE 6.0 on WinXP
[12:11] <MachineScrew> that might work if not Firefox has the same thing
[12:12] <MachineScrew> and some times works better
[12:13] <MachineScrew> what packages do I need to compile a KDE app (Ktorrent) using KDE 3.5
[12:13] <ofir> https://start.telebank.co.il/notIE.htm
[12:13] <eXistenZ> MachineScrew, have you got the 3.5 installed?
[12:13] <MachineScrew> eXistenZ: ya
[12:13] <ofir> thats what happens in a loop
[12:13] <eXistenZ> MachineScrew, have you got any problems with kicker on logout/shutdown ?
[12:14] <MachineScrew> ofir: tell your bank to be standards complient
[12:14] <MachineScrew> ofir: tell them you can view go to the site on a mac
[12:15] <ilba7r> ofir you might try to update your system
[12:15] <MachineScrew> ofir: it won't take much to get them to do that
[12:16] <MachineScrew> so ya if some one could paste a pkg listing so I can compile KDE apps under 3.5 that would be nice
[12:21] <MachineScrew> so ya if some one could paste a pkg listing so I can compile KDE apps under 3.5 that would be nice
[12:21] <MachineScrew> what packages do I need to compile a KDE app (Ktorrent) using KDE 3.5
[12:30] <MachineScrew> also when i put a audio cd in 2 windows for the cd open up and Kscd and an option a la winXP
[12:30] <MachineScrew> so I just want the last one not the other 3
[12:31] <MachineScrew> is any one here
[12:32] <aseigo> you need kdelibs4-dev at a minimum to compile kde apps
[12:32] <aseigo> and may at times need/want kdebase-dev
[12:33] <aseigo> as for the popup on cd insertion, just check the "remember my choice" checkbox and select "do nothing"
[12:34] <MachineScrew> ok
[12:34] <MachineScrew> ya but I get 4 different ones
[12:34] <MachineScrew> and this is the first cd i put in
[12:37] <MachineScrew> aseigo: I think that the first 2 is kde 3.4 open the cd in konquer and kscd 3.5 opens konquer for the cd and the options window
[12:37] <MachineScrew> aseigo: i want to remove the 3.4 way of doing things and go with the latter
[12:38] <MachineScrew> aseigo: I have done what you said and the only thing that happend was that the options window didn't come up but 2 konquer windows come up and kscd STILL come up
[12:39] <aseigo> kscd coming up will be because the "play when cd inserted" option is turned on
[12:39] <aseigo> dunno why you're getting _two_ konq windows though
[12:40] <MachineScrew> kscd will still come up when play when cd insterted is unchecked
[12:40] <MachineScrew> the only thing that changes is insted of playing the cd when the app is opened it opens in stop mode
[12:41] <MachineScrew> so thats not the solution
[12:41] <MachineScrew> mind you if it was easy I wouldn't be here
[12:42] <MachineScrew> I looked through all options the only one that would kill it all is polling the cd drive but I don't want to uncheck that because that would be like cutting your arm off for a small cut
[12:43] <MachineScrew> its anoying because I have 64 audio cds to encode and I have to close the windows and kscd every freaking time
[12:44] <MachineScrew> its very anoying
[12:45] <MachineScrew> so again any soulutins would be good
[12:45] <hara> help!
[12:46] <hara> dpkg - warning: downgrading libxvidcore4-dev from 2:1.0.3-0.0 to 0:1.1.0-0beta2.
[12:46] <MachineScrew> but the 2 konquer windows and the kscd thing is related
[12:46] <hara> how is that downgrading? afaik 1.1.0 is > than 1.0.3
[12:47] <MachineScrew> hara: its the 2:1.0.3-0.0
[12:47] <MachineScrew> the 2 is why
[12:47] <MachineScrew> the 0:1.1.0-0
[12:47] <hara> ahh
[12:47] <MachineScrew> its 0
[12:47] <hara> what is that 2 meaning?
[12:47] <MachineScrew> don't wory about it
[12:47] <MachineScrew> i think thats a kubuntu/ubuntu distro spacific thing
[12:48] <hara> okay
[12:48] <hara> thanks
[12:48] <MachineScrew> you need though to have dpkg tell apt-get not to update it
[12:48] <hara> how?
[12:49] <MachineScrew> though I know that can be done I don't know how to doit
[12:49] <MachineScrew> so I am no help there
[12:49] <hara> oh
[12:49] <MachineScrew> lol
[12:49] <hara> adept does indeed want to downgrade it
[12:49] <MachineScrew> ya and so will apt-get
[12:50] <MachineScrew> but #kubuntu is dead right now
[12:50] <MachineScrew> its anoying because I can't sleep and I have these problems that I can't fix eather
[12:51] <aftertaf> lol
[12:52] <MachineScrew> when i put a audio cd in 2 windows for the cd open up and Kscd and an option a la winXP
[12:52] <MachineScrew> so I just want the last one not the other 3
[12:53] <aftertaf> kde does that. annoying as....
[12:53] <MachineScrew> so no Konquer windows, no Kscd JUST the options window is all I want
[12:53] <MachineScrew> so how in the hell to i tell it to quit
[12:54] <MachineScrew> (not logout or shutdown)
[12:54] <MachineScrew> I could tell it to stop polling the cd drive but I don't want to have to do that
[12:54] <MachineScrew> when i put a audio cd in 2 windows for the cd open up and Kscd and an option a la winXP
[12:55] <MachineScrew> so no Konquer windows, no Kscd JUST the options window is all I want
[12:55] <MachineScrew> I could tell it to stop polling the cd drive but I don't want to have to do that
[12:55] <Hobbsee> tell what to quit?
[12:56] <aftertaf> lol
[12:57] <MachineScrew> how
[12:57] <carl> hi guys, can anyone provide me with a link to a good guide how to get the 'make' command work on my kubuntu? im a n00b in linux and especially in kubuntu and im trying to compile my program with kdevelop but it says make: command not found. thanks for any help :-)
[12:57] <MachineScrew> how do I tell it to quit short of telling it to stop polling the cddrive
[12:58] <MachineScrew> carl: did you get build-essential package
[12:58] <Hobbsee> carl: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:58] <carl> oh, thankyouverymuch, i will try that at once :-)
[12:59] <MachineScrew> i guess i will be back later
[01:01] <Hobbsee> MachineScrew: no clue sorry - tried google for it?  or ubuntuforums?  you'll be searching for stuff on kde autoplay, i think
[01:01] <MachineScrew> ok thanks i will check there if not I will be back
[01:07] <carl> : MachineScrew + Bobbsee that helped, thankyou very much again
[01:09] <Hobbsee> er, ok then carl
[01:10] <djib> hello
[01:10] <djib> Is KDE3.5 stable enough to use it ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> djib: they call it stable - seems pretty stable, yes
[01:13] <djib> ok thanks
[01:14] <Hobbsee> no probleems
[01:14] <Hobbsee> *problems
[01:14] <aftertaf> i got most of my K back now.... missing some things that need recompiling with the new lib file
[01:15] <Hobbsee> oh goody!  on dapper, this is?
[01:17] <aftertaf> yep
[01:17] <djib> another question : I installed flashplayer-plugin nonfree
[01:17] <Hobbsee> seems like more of it is becoming un-broken/fixed again
[01:17] <aftertaf> yeyyyyyyyyyy
[01:17] <aftertaf> :]
[01:17] <dutch> i tried dapper the other day...lost the xserver...
[01:17] <djib> but it is neither in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[01:17] <djib> what shall I do ?
[01:17] <aftertaf> dutch:  its back now :)
[01:17] <dutch> maybe this weekend then :)
[01:17] <djib> (I don't have firefox or mozilla, just Konqui)
[01:18] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  what cmd did you use exactly to ignore that pain in the.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> dutch: stick it on a separate partition, and you wont really care if it doesnt give you a GUI for a couple of days
[01:18] <Hobbsee>  /ignore Fireside
[01:18] <dutch> :)
[01:18] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  me too, but it dont work :/
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i was tempted to, then i just stopped reading that channel
[01:19] <djib> any idea for the flash player ?
[01:19] <hara> how can i change the target host type when building a package? i'm on athlonxp1800 and dpkg-buildpackage wants to build for i486
[01:20] <Hobbsee> djib: you can use locate <filename>
[01:20] <Hobbsee> but i'm not sure what you'd put as the filename
[01:30] <bimberi> lol @ Hobbsee (in #ubuntu)
[01:30] <djib> Hobbsee: I tried everything I could
[01:30] <djib> I can't find it
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bimberi: i thought that "i thought that was typing "/quit" lol" in response to aftertaf's comment would be rather mean though
[01:31] <Hobbsee> djib: hmm...
[01:32] <bimberi> Hobbsee: lol, perhaps suggesting "/quit #ubuntu-offtopic" (just in case they copy/paste)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> bimberi: i thought that /quit quit the entire client
[01:33] <bimberi> Hobbsee: exactly :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:33] <Hobbsee> there we go
[01:37] <aftertaf> how about /die-a-slow-death-you-annoying-immature-git
[01:38] <aftertaf> ?
[01:38] <aftertaf> :]
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:57] <MachineScrew> ok there was a guy who has the same kscd problem in RH 7.3 using KDE 3.3
[01:57] <MachineScrew> or was it 3
[01:57] <MachineScrew> thinks it was  3
[01:58] <MachineScrew> so like he said what magick voodoo must i do to get kscd to stop poping up
[02:00] <MachineScrew> is this channel full of empty people who leave and come back or what
[02:01] <DoeRayMe> can anyone get kde-guidance working?
[02:01] <MachineScrew> since Hobbsee last said hehe there are 14 joined this channel and left this server
[02:02] <MachineScrew> what the hell
[02:02] <ejofee> where are the fonts installed?
[02:02] <MachineScrew> any kubuntu developers here or what
[02:02] <ejofee> i am having problems with vnc because it doesn't find the fonts in the expected location
[02:03] <ejofee> how do i query an installed deb for wherever its files are?
[02:05] <chakie_work> ejofee: dpkg --listfiles package
[02:14] <ejofee> chakie_work: thank you
[02:15] <chakie_work> np
[02:22] <burepe2> I need help with my network.
[02:22] <snpz> burepe2, so?
[02:23] <burepe2> I can't see my linux box from a windows comp over the network. I was trying to set up a static ip and something got messed
[02:23] <burepe2> now I am back on dhcp
[02:24] <burepe2> Also, some where along the line my kdesu kcontrol command stopped working. I get the password dialog but that's it.
[02:25] <snpz> use samba to make shares
[02:25] <burepe2> I tired
[02:25] <burepe2> tried
[02:26] <burepe2> it is not working
[02:27] <ilba7r_> burepe2 one step at a time how did you mess the static ip address
[02:28] <burepe2> it just wouldn't work
[02:28] <burepe2> so i changed it back to dhcp
[02:28] <ilba7r_> i assume you have a router
[02:28] <burepe2> yeah
[02:28] <ilba7r_> ok i will help you first set this up
[02:29] <ilba7r_> i have it working fine
[02:29] <snpz> so u have to set up static ip which is in static IP pool
[02:29] <burepe2> ok, cool
[02:29] <burepe2> I have done it before, but it didn't work this time
[02:29] <ilba7r_> no problem let us try it again
[02:30] <ilba7r_> did you put your router address in the gateway address?
[02:30] <burepe2> yeah
[02:30] <burepe2> gui right?
[02:30] <ilba7r_> is it a wireless or wired connection
[02:31] <burepe2> no
[02:31] <burepe2> wired
[02:31] <burepe2> sorry
[02:31] <ilba7r_> that is easier than
[02:31] <ilba7r_> do you have any security on your router. Like macaddress restriction?
[02:32] <burepe2> If I can access the router settings throught the web browser under <IP_ADDRESS>, does that mean that the gate way address is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[02:32] <burepe2> no restrictions
[02:32] <ilba7r_> ya
[02:33] <ilba7r_> if you can access the router through <IP_ADDRESS> than your gateway address is that
[02:33] <burepe2> yup
[02:33] <ilba7r_> do you have a firewall?
[02:33] <burepe2> no
[02:33] <ilba7r_> ok try to set the static ip address again and ping the router
[02:33] <burepe2> Did you catch it when I said that the kdesu kcontrol command stopped working?
[02:34] <ilba7r_> ping -c 5 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:34] <burepe2> ok
[02:34] <ilba7r_> ok so we need to do it from terminal than
[02:35] <ilba7r_> open a terminal and type sudo kwrite /etc/network/interfaces
[02:36] <burepe2> ok
[02:36] <ilba7r_> look at the line iface eth0 inet
[02:36] <burepe2> ping ok
[02:36] <ilba7r_> ok ping gmail.com
[02:38] <burepe2> network is unreachable
[02:38] <burepe2> I am looking at the file
[02:38] <ilba7r_> ok lets look at your /etc/network/interfaces file than
[02:38] <burepe2> yup
[02:38] <ilba7r_> did you locate the line iface eth0
[02:38] <burepe2> yup
[02:39] <macke> can i install flash with apt-get??
[02:39] <ilba7r_> it should read iface eth0 inet static
[02:39] <burepe2> yup
[02:39] <ilba7r_> than address <put your address there>
[02:39] <burepe2> yup
[02:41] <macke> can i install flash with apt-get?? how??
[02:41] <ilba7r_> look at this pastebin
[02:41] <ilba7r_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/462181
[02:42] <ilba7r_> it should be something like that
[02:42] <burepe2> mine is the same but the address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:42] <ilba7r_> sorry for the address just put the address you assigned
[02:43] <ilba7r_> ok now in the terminal type
[02:43] <ilba7r_> sudo ifdown eth0
[02:43] <ilba7r_> than sudo ifup eth0
[02:43] <burepe2> ok
[02:44] <burepe2> ping gmail network unreachable
[02:44] <ilba7r_> i guess the problem is with your router
[02:44] <ilba7r_> for if you can ping the router than you have connection to it
[02:45] <ilba7r_> did you check the ip address reange on the router to see if .5 is within the range?
[02:45] <burepe2> I was using it before for forever
[02:46] <burepe2> I have all these ports forwared on that address
[02:46] <burepe2> so I want to keep the same one
[02:46] <ilba7r_> perhaps some one else used this ip address no harm to check
[02:46] <burepe2> should I try another>
[02:46] <burepe2> hmmm
[02:47] <ilba7r_> can you ping your pc from the router?
[02:47] <burepe2> n
[02:48] <ilba7r_> use your browser and go to the router setting and try pinging your pc
[02:48] <ilba7r_> try assigning another address to it also it might be a lease period problem
[02:50] <burepe1> picked the wrong ip
[02:50] <burepe1> ha
[02:50] <ilba7r_> lol
[02:50] <burepe1> ok
[02:50] <burepe1> changed it to 4
[02:51] <burepe1> but still network is uneachable with the google
[02:51] <burepe1> ping
[02:51] <ilba7r_> do not use google to ping
[02:51] <ilba7r_> your router will have a ping facility use it
[02:51] <ilba7r_> see if your lan is working properly first
[02:51] <burepe1> i changed to 7
[02:52] <burepe1> ok
[02:52] <ilba7r_> when you change the address
[02:52] <burepe1> router 7 is ok\
[02:52] <ilba7r_> try pinging gmail than
[02:52] <burepe1> no go
[02:52] <ilba7r_> type ifconfig in a terminal
[02:53] <ilba7r_> do you see the proper ip address in the output
[02:53] <burepe1> yeh
[02:54] <ilba7r_> frankly i have no idea but i bet there is something wrong with your router setup
[02:55] <ilba7r_> acess rules
[02:55] <burepe1> it was working until I tried to set the static ip
[02:55] <carl> anyone who knows a good mp3 player which has no problems with noncommon codecs?
[02:55] <burepe1> and I had the static ip set up before i installed breezy the other day
[02:55] <ilba7r_> with dhcp is it working well
[02:56] <burepe1> iriver
[02:56] <burepe1> the big iriver one
[02:56] <carl> oki, i check it out, thx^^
[02:57] <carl> oha, i meant one for my kubuntu ;-)
[02:57] <burepe1> ok
[02:57] <burepe1> ha
[02:57] <carl> the standard players have problems with my data
[02:58] <carl> k
[02:58] <burepe1> i set it to dhcp and it is fine
[02:58] <arafat> there are tons of plugins for xmms...
[02:58] <burepe1> ilba7r_:
[02:58] <ilba7r_> sorry burepe1 have no idea what is wrong
[02:58] <burepe1> well forget the static ip, I am more concerned about my network
[03:00] <sio> i cant get anything from the repos :[
[03:00] <sio> all the packages i see in Adept are from the DVD...
[03:02] <sio> is there something wrong with the servers? or its because im connected thru a proxy?
[03:04] <carl> i have downloaded and depacked xmms, how do i install it?
[03:06] <macke> how do i get flash for konquerer??
[03:06] <Kibou> by installing flash for firefox
[03:07] <macke> can i do it with apt-get?
[03:07] <Kibou> dunno.. i always use the integrated flash install/update thing firefox has
[03:08] <macke> Oh where is that?
[03:09] <ejofee> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
[03:09] <ejofee> debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?)
[03:09] <ejofee> debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog
[03:09] <ejofee> libgnome2-perl is not installed on my computer
[03:10] <Kibou> well.. if you go on a site that requires the flash plugin a warning pops up at the top of the page site in firefox
[03:10] <ejofee> i don't understand why this should happen to me
[03:10] <ejofee> i hate when one package is not installed
[03:10] <ejofee> is there anything to be done about this situation?
[03:10] <ejofee> i am desperate
[03:11] <Kibou> well it falls back to dialog, which is fine..
[03:11] <Kibou> you can change it with
[03:11] <Kibou> sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[03:11] <macke> Kibou: oh u mean that one. yeah that dont work so ive downloaded the flashplayer, but when i try to install it wants the dir to my firefox
[03:12] <Kibou> huh?
[03:12] <ejofee> Kibou: but synaptic simply doesn't want to install *anything at all* because of this
[03:13] <Kibou> that's weird.. dunno about that sorry..
[03:13] <Kibou> konqueror looks for plugins on several directories.. and on of them should be ~/.mozilla/plugins
[03:13] <Kibou> so as long as you install it for firefox konqueror should detect it and use it
[03:13] <ejofee> Kibou: "failed to apply all changes! scroll in the terminal buffer to see what went wrong."
[03:15] <Kibou> maybe it's because synaptic is a gnome-ish app and needs the gnome debconf thing to configure things.. but I could be completely wrong here
[03:15] <ejofee> it then says "Preconfiguring packages ..." and it stops here
[03:15] <Kibou> jsut try to apt-get the thing you tried to install with synatpic and see if that's work
[03:15] <burepe2> Can anyone tell me why my windows comp can not see my linux box over my network?
[03:16] <Jaymac> you got samba set up?
[03:16] <Voodoo_Vibe> "/dev/hdc1       /media/hdc1     ntfs    ro,user,uid,umask=1000        0       0" what is wrong here??
[03:16] <Kibou> doesn't uid need an argument?
[03:16] <burepe2> yeha
[03:16] <burepe2> tryies to
[03:16] <Kibou> like uid=vodoo
[03:16] <burepe2> tried to
[03:16] <Kibou> like your username
[03:17] <burepe2> it is set up but not working
[03:17] <Voodoo_Vibe> aahhhhh yeah thats right! Thanx!!
[03:19] <Voodoo_Vibe> hmm... how do i make my /media accessible for all??
[03:20] <ananth126> hmm... umask = 1000 ...woudnt that remove all permissions for all ??? just a thought...
[03:21] <Voodoo_Vibe> hmmm well actually i dont know... im kinda newb at this :)
[03:23] <Kibou> I only have ro,uid=user,gid=group and it works just fine
[03:24] <ananth126> Voodoo_Vibe: see if works after removing the umask
[03:25] <Voodoo_Vibe> ive tried removing umask but dont work and ive copyed Kibou, but not working
[03:27] <ananth126> Voodoo_Vibe: chmod 777 /media ?  wild guess
[03:27] <Kibou> hmm
[03:29] <Voodoo_Vibe> now ive got access to /media! Thanx. Now its just /media/hdc1 and /media/hdd5 left
[03:30] <Voodoo_Vibe> "/dev/hdc1       /media/hdc1     ntfs    ro,uid=macke,gid=macke        0       0" looks like this now
[03:30] <ejofee> what is this? "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file"
[03:30] <ejofee> it's pervasive
[03:31] <ananth126> Voodoo_Vibe: you are mounting it read-only... so dont try to write files to the ntfs file system...:)
[03:31] <ananth126> but you should be able to access the files
[03:32] <dawynn> When my PC boots up, I see a message saying "Mounting local filesystems .... Failed".  Where do I look to find what filesystem(s) it couldn't mount?
[03:32] <Voodoo_Vibe> yeah i dont want to write to it. only read but i cant do that either
[03:34] <Kibou> Voodoo_Vibe: does it even mount with that fstab line?
[03:35] <Kibou> dawynn: you can run 'dmesg' to looks for bootup errors
[03:35] <Voodoo_Vibe> Kibou: it should its freshly installed, just cant read the files, no permission
[03:38] <nacho> hy
[03:38] <nacho> any know how i can mount a partition nfs in the fstab?
[03:38] <Kibou> well.. you should have permission..
[03:39] <nacho> i have a problem with permission
[03:39] <nacho> /dev/hdb5       /media/Windows  ntfs    rxw             1       0
[03:39] <Kibou> ..
[03:39] <nacho> it says i dont have permision
[03:39] <nacho> or it doenst mount it
[03:39] <nacho> i tryed put on auto
[03:39] <nacho> but i doesnt works
[03:40] <Kibou> try /dev/hdb5 /media/Windows ntfs ro,uid=yourusername,gid=yourgroupname 0 0
[03:40] <Kibou> and remount
[03:41] <Kibou> let's see if it works for him
[03:47] <burepe2> Need help getting my kubuntu box noticed by my windows box on the network. Any suggestions
[03:51] <djib> would you advice installing the 686 version of the kernel if I have a pentium 4
[03:51] <djib> will it change much ?
[03:52] <Ayiden> Has anyone tested out kde 3.5?
[03:52] <Ayiden> What are the biggest annoyances/bugs ?
[03:53] <djib> Ayiden: I'm using it
[03:53] <djib> it seems good
[03:53] <djib> but I installed it this morinig
[03:53] <Ayiden> I have looked around and even the kde site says no bugs found yet *(lol).. well no big bugs
[03:54] <Ayiden> djib: Alright I think i will try it
[03:55] <Ayiden> djib: I have 3.4 and that media bug from kubuntu breezy is getting to me.. when I click on media it only shows what devices are mounted but not unmounted and it doesnt show any hardrives -.-
[03:56] <Ayiden> djib: If you are using kubunut breezy click on "storage media" and check if you can find all your devices if you can then 3.5 fixed it... thats one thing im hoping is better
[03:56] <Ayiden> kubuntu**
[03:57] <Kibou> they didn't remove that on purpose?
[03:57] <djib> where is storage media ?
[03:57] <Kibou> that's actually a bug?
[03:57] <Ayiden> next to k menu the computer thing click on it and then a small menu pops up click on storage media there
[03:57] <Ayiden> Kibou: Yes *(lol)
[03:58] <Kibou> I like that media:/ only shows removable media
[03:58] <Kibou> don't want my hdds there..
[03:58] <Ayiden> Kibou: In other distro's storage media is a place where you can mount devices etc...
[04:00] <Kibou> yea.. it still works for me like it is now.
[04:00] <Ayiden> Kibou: *(lol) You dont "have to" have hdd in there.. a real example of this bug would be to try and put unmounted devices on your desktop
[04:00] <Ayiden> on a fresh kubuntu breezy install you wont be able to for some reason
[04:01] <Ayiden> you shou8ld be able to set that in k control but when you do nothing shows up
[04:01] <Kibou> I guess I'm lucky I don't need it then.. hehe
[04:02] <Ayiden> Kibou: Do you have devices on your desktop?
[04:02] <Kibou> no
[04:03] <Ayiden> Kibou: in kcontrol you can set it so certain unmounted devices show up there... that way its easier to mount things
[04:03] <Ayiden> just right click and click on mount ta DA!
[04:03] <Ayiden> but for some reason when you change the setting no devices appear
[04:04] <Ayiden> ha ha im upgrading to kde 3.5 right now and ha ha im on a 56k modem
[04:04] <Ayiden> only like 9 hours left....
[04:04] <Kibou> ..!
[04:06] <Ayiden> aways from here they can get dsl for 15$ a month -.-
[04:06] <Ayiden> cant get that here...
[04:07] <Kibou> I was in the same situation.. about 6 years ago
[04:28] <IULIUS23ro> hi all
[04:29] <medgno> is there an easy way to make apt forget that I've added the 3.5 repository, and go back to what shipped with breezy?
[04:30] <IULIUS23ro> how can i install kdelibs4c2a_3.4.3-2_i386.deb for kplayer cause apt tells me that it will not uninstall kdelibs4c2 ??
[04:39] <ajus> i'd like to upggrade kde in breezy using adept, which one should i choose? kdebase-bin.. kdebase-data... or what?? help please.
[04:44] <medgno> does anyone know why amarok is constantly crashing for me with kde3.5?
[04:46] <medgno> even if I delete my ~/.kde directory, it still freezes up
[04:50] <bipolar> ok. I want to take the plunge today. I have a fully funtioning breezy install, I have been wanting to try out KDE again (last used 3.2/3.3).
[04:51] <bipolar> if I want to use kde 3.5 right away, do I just add the source on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:54] <jaldhar> the topic is a little unclear, does it mean there are updates to the kde3.5 .debs in breezy-updates or whatever came with breezy?
[04:55] <bipolar> jaldhar, I don't think so. they are in another repo
[04:56] <bipolar> jaldhar, see the last url I typed
[04:56] <jaldhar> bipolar: could you repeat it please?  I missed that
[04:56] <bipolar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:58] <jaldhar> bipolar: oh that one I've seen and installed.  I was wondering about updates because there is a dependency problem with kamera
[04:58] <jaldhar> and I'm too lazy to recompile libgphoto2 atm :-)
[04:58] <bipolar> jaldhar, I dunno. I'm just now looking into kubuntu.
[05:12] <_michael> I have a KMail problem: I can't delete the folders in my Trash folder...
[05:14] <ajus> i'd like to upggrade kde in breezy using adept, which one should i choose? kdebase-bin.. kdebase-data... or what?? help please.
[05:15] <_michael> you mean you want kde 3.5?
[05:15] <ajus> yes
[05:16] <_michael> I have "kde" installed, and "kde-core", but I think you need to add a repository for that
[05:17] <_michael> which I found here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[05:17] <_michael> or is KDE3.5 also in the regular kubuntu repositories??
[05:17] <ajus> i added repos already.. but there's no "plain" kde to choose in adept
[05:18] <_michael> I have a plain "kde" installed, I just launched adept to check
[05:18] <jaldhar> ajus: if you have the kubuntu.org repo added, just do a full upgrade and it should pull it all in
[05:18] <_michael> kdebase and kdebase-bin, and kdebase-data are installed as well
[05:19] <ajus> even when there's no kde to choose, i just choose everything else, like kde*** right?
[05:20] <_michael> I guess jaldhar is right... try to update your packages again (fetch updates) and then click "full upgrade"
[05:21] <ajus> ok, i'll try now
[05:21] <jaldhar> ajus: no these up are upgrades so if you already have kde installed the newer versions will be automatically upgraded.  btw, there is a problem with kamera which is missing a dependency so that might be problematic
[05:21] <yudi> i installed MRTG from Kynaptic, then when i try to run mrtg i got this message error... http://pastebin.com/462354 , according to the error message i should change my LANG value shouldn't I ? i type env and look at the LANG section and it's true that the value is en_US.UTF-8. i change it to en_US (ommit the UTF-8) but there is no difference, i've got any other error message about the locale settings. could somebody help me? thanks
[05:21] <_michael> I think ajus already has kde, since he's using adept
[05:22] <ajus> yes, i already on kde 3.4.. i'm using kubuntu breezy
[05:24] <jaldhar> yudi: type locale -a at the command line.  That tells you what locales you have installed.  if you don't have en_US you have to create it with dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:25] <ajus> so.. is there any good if i upgrade to kde 3.5?
[05:26] <_michael> I went from gnome straight to kde 3.5; can't tell you about 3.4 :)
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> haha, omg! I just read the slashdot story about what linus said about gnome.
[05:26] <ajus> :)
[05:26] <_michael> rather stupid thing he said there I think...
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> basically what' I've felt for years, and why I left mandrake as a distro.
[05:27] <_michael> even though I'm starting to like KDE; I've preferred Gnome every time I tried KDE... until two weeks ago that is :)
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> There's nothing wrong with Gnome though if that's what you want.
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> It's just not for me, I just can't believe he said it.
[05:31] <yudi> jaldhar: i have en_US.UTF-8, is it different from en_US? so if i have the en_US, then I change the LANG value to "en_US", it will be fine? am i correct?
[05:31] <bipolar> ok. here I am in my brand new kde desktop. now I want to upgrade to 3.5. just add the source like the web site says and apt-get upgrade, right?