[11:14] <Saviq> seb128, it's qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony0.1
[11:15] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[11:18] <seb128> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1417525
[13:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, have you ever seen this FTBFS https://launchpadlibrarian.net/196467739/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.unity8_8.02%2B15.04.20150203.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[13:51] <Saviq> "fake_scopesoverview.h:27:7: internal compiler error: in symtab_remove_unreachable_nodes, at ipa.c:547" :/
[13:51] <tsdgeos> lol
[13:51] <tsdgeos> we're ICEing
[13:51] <tsdgeos> "internal compiler error:"
[13:51] <tsdgeos> we need to tell the gcc guys
[13:52] <tsdgeos> BUT NO
[13:52] <tsdgeos> wops
[13:52] <tsdgeos> never seeing any ICE
[13:52] <tsdgeos> that is not even much complex code afair
[13:52] <tsdgeos> Saviq: are we getting this with current vivid?
[13:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[13:52] <tsdgeos> grak
[13:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but it's not reliably reproducible
[13:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, at least not locally
[13:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: :/ want me to try to workaround it? or we just report it to our gcc people and corss fingers on every landing? :D
[13:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, best thing is we don't touch that file in that landing even
[13:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's Daniel's unify mocks branch that seems to be causing that (have removed it from silo for now)
[13:55] <Saviq> and still trying to find a way to repro
[13:55] <tsdgeos> oki
[13:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fwiw there was a gcc release on Thursday...
[14:00] <tsdgeos> so thre you go :D
[14:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but that's the diff https://launchpadlibrarian.net/196106228/gcc-defaults_1.135ubuntu1_1.135ubuntu2.diff.gz :P
[14:00] <Saviq> just packaging changes
[14:05] <tsdgeos> " Default gccgo to 5."
[14:05] <tsdgeos> yeah doens't look the culprit
[14:07] <tsdgeos> mterry: you need to remerge https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-profiles/+merge/237155
[14:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, ok
[14:08] <tsdgeos> mterry: and what was missing on it? an ok from design?
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, sort of...  design came back and wanted a third mode and some UI options to choose betweeen the three modes that aren't hooked up yet
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, I'm going to get back to it.  Just been busy with other stuff.
[14:09] <tsdgeos> mterry: okidoki, maybe put it back to WIP?
[14:09] <mterry> fair
[14:10] <tsdgeos> :)
[14:10] <mterry> done
[14:13] <tsdgeos> paulliu: you working on fixing https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/lp1378469_MessageMenu/+merge/244164 ?
[14:15] <tsdgeos> Cimi: did you see mterry's comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-1363400/+merge/247129 ?
[14:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: any idea why CI hasn't run here? https://code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/unity8/fix-lp1379327/+merge/248215
[14:19] <Saviq> nope
[14:19] <Saviq> lemme kick it
[14:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can you connect to s-jenkins at all?
[14:21]  * Saviq times out
[14:21] <tsdgeos> let me bring up the vpn
[14:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, nvm, fixed
[14:35] <paulliu> tsdgeos: yes
[14:36] <paulliu> tsdgeos: on my way finishing it.
[14:36] <tsdgeos> paulliu: okidoki :)
[14:45] <tsdgeos> dandrader: done/don't ?
[14:46] <dandrader> tsdgeos, right. fixed
[14:46] <tsdgeos> tx :
[14:46] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yep'll i be reviewing
[14:47] <tsdgeos> dandrader: is there a bug or something related to this?
[14:47] <dandrader> tsdgeos, not a reported one
[14:48] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, if you are on the tablet and tapped on the black area of the indicators (away from the icons area)
[14:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, it would cause the foreground app to momentarily disappear
[14:48] <dandrader> tsdgeos, revealing unity8-dash behind it
[14:49] <dandrader> tsdgeos, because the tap would go through the indicators bar and hit TabletShell in a "sensible" area :)
[14:50] <tsdgeos> i see
[14:50] <dandrader> s/sensible/sensitive
[15:00] <Cimi> tsdgeos, fixed now
[15:06] <mhall119> thostr_: ping
[15:14] <tsdgeos> dandrader: found a corner case, sorry ^_^
[15:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, aha! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.9/4.9.2-10ubuntu3
[15:19] <tsdgeos> fix or cause?
[15:19] <Saviq> wonder if that helps
[15:32] <thostr_> mhall119: pong
[15:32] <mhall119> thostr_: currently both current and development aliases for Scopes APIs point to utopic
[15:33] <mhall119> in your request you wanted current to point to trusty, and development to point to vivid
[15:33] <thostr_> mhall119: yes, that's a problem
[15:33] <thostr_> mhall119: no, I think I mixed versions :) so, current version should point to rtm, devel version to vivid
[15:34] <mhall119> is what's in utopic's archive what is in RTM?
[15:34] <thostr_> i think there is stuff in rtm that is not in utopic
[15:35] <mhall119> thostr_: then I need the docs package for that, my scripts only pull from the regular archives
[15:39] <Saviq> mzanetti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10036658/
[15:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: merci
[15:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hope for fix, this just got released an hour ago
[15:45] <tsdgeos> :)
[15:46] <Saviq> no :/
[15:46] <Saviq> DAAMIT
[15:49] <tsdgeos> :/
[15:57] <josharenson> tsdgeos: Do you know why, when I build/install ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts on my mako (trunk), it fails to create s TPS?
[15:57] <tsdgeos> josharenson: TPS?
[15:57] <josharenson> tsdgeos: trusted prompt session
[15:57] <tsdgeos> no sorry :/
[15:58] <josharenson> tsdgeos: :-/ thanks
[15:58] <tsdgeos> not much knowledge on trusted seesions myself
[15:58] <tsdgeos> dednick: ↑ ?
[16:02] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[16:02] <tsdgeos> run.sh does nothing nowadays?
[16:03] <tsdgeos> mterry: how do i run the wizard on the destkop?
[16:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, run.sh should work normally?
[16:04] <mterry> tsdgeos, huh...  I usually run it on the phone
[16:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, rm .config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run
[16:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and run.sh should get you the wizard, too
[16:05] <mterry> that could work too
[16:05] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i get an error here
[16:05] <tsdgeos> let me paste
[16:07] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ~worked here, the dash seems to respawn continuously
[16:08] <tsdgeos> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10037080/
[16:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, huhuh
[16:09] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 5.4?
[16:09]  * Saviq never saw that error
[16:09] <xperia> hi all. my unity gui is not showed anymore after installment of the nvidia 331 driver when i try to log in. do i need to delete some config file in my home directory so unity can restore the config or how do i get unity again to work back ?
[16:10] <tsdgeos> Saviq: no, regular vivid afair
[16:10] <Saviq> tsdgeos, if you just run it outside of upstart, same? same for the installed version?
[16:11] <tsdgeos> he, just cleaned, give me  a sec
[16:12] <tsdgeos> installed one complains about libqpa-mirserver.so
[16:13] <dandrader> Saviq, ro.product.device
[16:15] <tsdgeos> lol unity8-dash is segfaulting?
[16:19] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10037203/ ?
[16:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, something bad's happening there
[16:30] <xperia> Hi is there a possibility to tell unity to restore the local created config files ? Guest access works perfect however when i login as user the gui is not showed. right click menu works however. how can i restore unity for my user account ?
[16:37] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, looks definately like the recently added functionality in scope plugin, marcustomlinson is your guy
[16:42] <tsdgeos> k
[16:42] <tsdgeos> will ping him tomorrow
[16:42] <tsdgeos> or will mail him now so i don't forget :D
[16:52] <om26er> Saviq, I am not seeing message icon in unity, who do I need to talk to  ?
[16:54] <Saviq> om26er, if you expand the top panel, is it there?
[16:54] <om26er> Saviq, no, its not.,
[16:55] <Saviq> om26er, status indicator-messages?
[16:55] <Saviq> om26er, check ~/.cache/upstart/indicator-messages.log and see if you have a crash for it
[16:55] <om26er> Saviq, doesn't exist.
[16:56] <om26er> also the dialer says 'No network' probably unrelated to unity
[16:56] <Saviq> om26er, what does `status indicator-messages` say?
[16:56] <om26er> rather something to do with ofono/telepathy
[16:56] <om26er> Saviq, its running.
[16:57] <Saviq> larsu, ↑
[16:58] <larsu> om26er: the messaging menu doesn't show up if no apps are registered to use it
[16:58] <larsu> om26er: what does `gsettings get com.canonical.indicator.messages applications` return?
[16:59] <om26er> larsu, @as []
[17:00] <larsu> om26er: ya, empty means there are no apps that use it, and it hides itself
[17:01] <om26er> larsu, right, I am talking to tiago for a possible ofono bug.
[17:01] <larsu> cool :)
[19:18] <mterry> We don't compile anymore?
[19:18] <mterry> internal compiler error: in symtab_remove_unreachable_nodes, at ipa.c:547
[19:18] <mterry>  class ScopesOverview : public Scope
[19:18] <mterry>        ^
[19:23] <josharenson> Just in case anyone is currious, switching to  ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/rtm-14.09 from trunk made everything work on the phone...
[19:46] <mterry> Saviq, mzanetti: is the compile problem with trunk a known issue?
[22:44] <mzanetti> mterry: hey
[22:44] <mzanetti> yes, it is
[22:44] <mterry> mzanetti, hello
[22:44] <mterry> i figured :)


[00:06] <mason> TL;DR: TZ typo, for anyone looking at the time issue, above.
[00:07] <Bashing-om> !cookie | mason
[00:07] <mason> \o/
[00:08] <ArmoredDragon> how do I get a bare minimal install on ubuntu server 20.04? I didn't select any snaps and I noticed alsa and python are installed, but I really don't need those (or a number of other default installed packages) for this server
[00:19] <tomreyn> ArmoredDragon: just uninstall what you don't need then.
[00:19] <tomreyn> except for "essential" packages, of course
[00:20] <ArmoredDragon> that's the thing is I'm not sure what counts as essential in the newer version
[00:21] <tomreyn> apt will tell you when you try to remove "essential" packages, where essential means something like "can't boot and start up at all without this"
[00:22] <tomreyn> you'll still risk situations of starting up fine but without networking.
[00:23] <tomreyn> i.e. "WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed." "This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!"
[00:24] <oerheks> why remove basic features..
[00:36] <ArmoredDragon> this is a VM and I'm trying to keep resource usage to a minimum
[00:36] <ArmoredDragon> that and I really don't see a need for alsa on a server...
[00:39] <tomreyn> if those resources you care about are some megabytes of data on a storage media, this might be worth the effort.
[00:41] <ArmoredDragon> well it's a bit more than that, when the server came up it wouldn't even show the server stats pre-login because the load was too high, that really shouldn't happen on a server that theoretically has nothing installed
[00:42] <tomreyn> i'd focus on what caused this then
[00:42] <tomreyn> (incl. ensuring hardware requirements are met)
[00:43] <tomreyn> *matched
[00:46] <ArmoredDragon> I gave the VM 2gb and its own dedicated core, that really should be more than enough for a basic linux server
[00:47] <ArmoredDragon> there's other reasons only like having the bare essentials installed, namely for the purpose of keeping a minimal attack surface
[00:47] <tomreyn> 2 gb ram? yes, this should be enough
[00:49] <tomreyn> i guess the most minimal installation you can get is with debootstrap. but i'm not sure how supported this is as an installation method.
[00:50] <ArmoredDragon> curious though, what is the purpose of having alsa as part of the base install on a server? a desktop machine I get it
[00:50] <ArmoredDragon> unless ubuntu is going more towards a user experience paradigm even for servers
[00:51] <ArmoredDragon> in which case I guess centos would be more my thing these days?
[00:52] <tomreyn> you might want a beep on a terminal where you don't have a classic buzzer anymore
[00:53] <tomreyn> or maybe an indiana jones tune for grub
[00:54] <tomreyn> well, ok, grub wont need alsa, but maybe later
[01:21] <Boi> I am very serious about this ISO.
[01:34] <ra> i run ubuntu server with samba server and lxde on a 2 gig box. has been very solid for many years
[01:51] <DrMax> How do I disable the visuals when I type accentued letters? if I type à, gnome snows ', then a, then ereases both and displays à. How can I disable that visual effect?
[01:52] <Jordan_U> DrMax: Do you have a keyboard where one key press gets you à ?
[01:53] <DrMax> nope it's `+a =à
[01:54] <DrMax> I just upgraded to 20.04LTS and this is new behavior
[01:54] <DrMax> But in emacs, it does speech-bubble-type "hints"
[01:54] <DrMax> It's very distracting
[01:55] <rjwiii> Ok ... possible emergency ... I have a thelio running Ubuntu 20.04 ... By mistake, I deleted a 512 MB partitin at the begining of my 120 GB SSD ... Is that my boot record?
[01:56] <kk4ewt> rjwiii;  most likely your /boot partition so yes
[01:57] <Jordan_U> DrMax: Then it makes sense that it would display that way (though I'm not sure about the "hints in emacs). Maybe it was just rendering much faster before so you didn't notice.
[01:57] <kk4ewt> backup your data while you can
[01:57] <rjwiii> kk4ewt: Dang it ... how to recreate?
[01:57] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Please pastebin the output of "find /boot/" and "mount".
[01:57] <DrMax> In emacs it does a speech bubble at insertion point with "^" in it, say
[01:58] <DrMax> before, it only did that with shift+ctrl+u to enter a unicode code
[01:59] <rjwiii> kk4ewt: I used Disks utility
[01:59] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Disk Utility should have complained that it was mounted. Please pastebin the output I requested. That will confirm one way or the other if you deleted your /boot/.
[02:00] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJHQjjq7ZB/
[02:02] <Boi> still need a good terminal iso program
[02:02] <Boi> that can handle windows boots
[02:05] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: You have not deleted your /boot/ partition. You do not have a separate /boot/ partition.
[02:05] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: THANK DOG!
[02:05] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: what did I delete?
[02:05] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: You may however have deleted your EFI System Partition.
[02:06] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: That is also needed for you to be able to boot, so *DON'T REBOOT YET*. Do you have a LiveUSB handy in case things break?
[02:06] <rjwiii> I can create one ...
[02:07] <rjwiii> I have a 20.04 ISO handy ...
[02:07] <DrMax> so, is this a new accessiblity option I can turn off?
[02:07] <DrMax> that really distracting
[02:07] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: I think creating a LiveUSB is the first thing you should do. That way, no matter what happens you'll be able to boot and fix things.
[02:07] <DrMax> that's*
[02:08] <Jordan_U> DrMax: Try opening something that's not using GTK, like xterm, and see if you see the same or a similar thing.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> DrMax: To be clear, I'm not really sure what changed for you or why. If I had a better idea, I'd tell you :)
[02:08] <rjwiii> Will have a live USB in about 2 minutes ...
[02:09] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: I Will have a live USB in about 2 minutes ...
[02:09] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Please pastebin your /etc/fstab .
[02:09] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. This should be relatively quick and easy to fix, as long as things go how I expect them to.
[02:11] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ctTZg2CKkV/
[02:11] <DrMax> gnome-terminal shows ¨ with an underline util I type u, then it shows ü. xterm shows a bubble
[02:12] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. Now please run "sudo mount /boot/efi/" (it will almost certainly fail, but let's be sure).
[02:13] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: mount: /boot/efi: can't find UUID=3520-40ED.
[02:13] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Live disk is ready on a flash drive
[02:13] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. As expected. Now, use Gnome Disks or whatever tool you want to make a new fat32 partition where the one you deleted was.
[02:14] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Volume name?
[02:14] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Anything?
[02:15] <deltab> but do not format, right?
[02:16] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: select "For use with all systems and devices (FAT)"?
[02:17] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: I'm using Disk Utility ...
[02:21] <deltab> my guess is that only the partition table entry that was deleted, and so only the partition table entry needs to be added, without touching any of the data within the partition
[02:23] <rjwiii> deltab: That would be nice ...
[02:24] <deltab> so don't do anything that involves formatting, preparing or initializing a filesystem within the partition
[02:25] <rjwiii> deltab: Thare's an option to "Erase" that is switched off at the moment ...
[02:27] <deltab> for Partitioning you have "GUID Partition Table", right?
[02:29] <rjwiii> deltab: donno ... How to I "Paste" a png file?
[02:29] <rjwiii> deltab: to pastbin?
[02:30] <DrMax> Jordan_U : https://imgur.com/a/wusRCfP
[02:32] <rjwiii> deltab: Here is what it looks like: https://imgur.com/qQs5p3E
[02:33] <rjwiii> deltab: Haven't hit "Create" yet ...
[02:36] <deltab> rjwiii: I don't know exactly what that'll do, so I advise waiting for someone who does
[02:39] <kiwi_banal> Is anyone else suffering from 101: `Network is unreachable` errrors when attempting to sudo apt update? I'm in Nepal and suspect proxies from ISP at fault?
[02:40] <rjwiii> deltab: Jordan_U_ must have taken a break ...
[02:42] <rjwiii> Jordan_U_: you still there? Got a thunderstorm here and I'm afraid of loosing power ...
[02:42] <Bashing-om> kiwi_banal: There were issues earlier, I can now complete to ping -c3 jtglobal.com
[02:43] <deltab> I'd rather be using TestDisk: https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[02:44] <kiwi_banal> Bashing-om: Thanks, it happens now and again, but never for over a week. I blaim Covid :/
[02:47] <Bashing-om> kiwi_banal: Or maybe India-Pakistan-China commercial relations ??
[02:49] <kiwi_banal> Bashing-om: ...yes, I have wondered if it is part of the wider political issue. That makes my issue collateral damage, right?
[02:49] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[02:49] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.ntc.net.np-archive
[02:50] <oerheks> slow mirror indeed
[02:51] <kiwi_banal> oerheks: thanks, I will try other mirrors again, hopefully it bypasses the issue.
[02:58] <djapo> i accidently did sudo apt install 3.8
[02:58] <djapo> how can i do the damage?
[03:00] <djapo> why does that command even work ?
[03:04] <rjwiii> Jordan_U_: You back yet?
[03:04] <stompykins> hai #ubuntu <33
[03:04] <stompykins> lol djapo what did it install?
[03:05] <stompykins> oh i see
[03:05] <stompykins> it tries to install python3.8
[03:05] <stompykins> djapo you could try apt-get remove 3.8 i guess
[03:07] <reallymemorable> how do i uninstall something that wont go away when i right click and click uninstall
[03:07] <reallymemorable> i am trying to remove counterstrike
[03:07] <reallymemorable> it wont uninstall
[03:31] <hello_kitty> can I use the file command (something like find . -maxdepth 1 -type f ) to match some patterns in a file name? I have a bunch of photos with an identifier in their name e.g. "566-1024x683.jpg" where 566 is the id, and i'm triyng to copy them a couple hundred at a time
[03:31] <hello_kitty> *the FIND command
[03:33] <DrMax> find -regex <regex> ?
[03:35] <hello_kitty> ooo awesome thx
[03:35] <DrMax> maybe something like find -regex "566-*" ?
[03:36] <DrMax> but you could just do find -name 566-*
[03:36] <hello_kitty> in my particular cause im looking for all the ones above 781, b/c i've downloaded those already
[03:36] <hello_kitty> but i have another 400 to go
[03:36] <DrMax> hmm ok, that'd will require more work
[03:37] <DrMax> or not
[03:37] <hello_kitty> i think some individual digit regexes will get me there probably, like 78[[2-9] or something
[03:40] <rud0lf> how do i properly install nvidia-driver-440, just `sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440`?
[03:44] <DrMax> yup
[03:45] <DrMax> you could also use sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall (but that may install other things as well, so, you should be careful)
[03:46] <DrMax> > ubuntu-drivers list
[03:46] <DrMax> nvidia-driver-440, (kernel modules provided by linux-modules-nvidia-440-generic-hwe-20.04)
[03:48] <DrMax> (that's on my box)
[03:48] <tripelb>  I could use some help. This is tech stuff. I have an MOV.webloc file from a Mac that has a hidden URL in it. I'm not sure how to handle it. Chrome has shown me a text file that may contain all the information. Anybody up for this question?
[03:51] <tripelb> This is what chrome shows me. A web page told me that a webloc has a url in it. Chrome showed me this.   https://i.imgur.com/I9SGotK.png  I want to view the video.
[03:53] <stompykins> tripelb: have you tried plugging that link into a browser?
[03:53] <stompykins> WEBLOC files are known as Finder files which provide a shortcut to a website by dragging the website icon displayed in the URL address bar to the desktop of a Mac device. The WEBLOC file extension is categorized as a web file type which contains a URL address of a website which was visited using the Safari web browser.
[03:53] <stompykins> its just a bookmark file lol
[03:55] <stompykins> yeah
[03:55] <stompykins> its a tai-chi video tripelb
[03:55] <stompykins> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1otVZeNC5h9acJyPtPNmuI6ENZ-4prSmL/preview
[03:56] <stompykins> tripelb: if you just want to view the video that link should work for you <3
[03:57] <stompykins> well i hope you got my messages tripelb
[04:03] <tripelb> Back. Looking at RESULTS
[04:04] <tripelb> On a fon
[04:05] <tripelb> Thank you all. I am helping an Apple world friend.
[04:09] <tripelb> I see, i was using only the first 2 lines of the link before I came.
[04:25] <hello_kitty> i know this is question is hard to answer with any precision due to computers being different speeds..but if i were to copy 10 gigabytes from one drive to another (local, no network, using linode machines with ssd) how long should I expect? minutes? an hour? many many hours.?
[04:26] <hello_kitty> i'm trying to rescue a little ubuntu server whose harddrive i negligently let fill up
[04:29] <deltab> I'd expect minutes, at most
[04:30] <rjwiii> Jordan_U_: I'm going to bed ... I'll try to talk to you later ...
[04:30] <DrMax> hello_kitty : typical hard drive will get you ~100 MB/s io
[04:30] <DrMax> ssd, nvme can do a lot better (mine does 2-3GB/s)
[04:31] <deltab> so a gigabyte in 10 seconds, 10 GB in 100 s
[04:31] <hello_kitty> well that sounds pretty great. off i go to rescue (i'll let you know how fast it was when done)
[04:31] <DrMax> with zero fragmentation, probably?
[04:31] <hello_kitty> anything faster than 10 hours and im happy haha :X
[04:32] <DrMax> For real it may be more than 1½ minute
[04:32] <DrMax> probably 5-10
[04:33] <deltab> if both drives are accessed through the same interface it could be slower
[04:33] <hello_kitty> they happen to be blockstorage too, so im not sure how those work
[04:33] <hello_kitty> though they get mounted and pretend to be normal drives
[04:34] <hello_kitty> or rather my rescue plan involves attaching block storage and copying data over to it
[04:37] <hello_kitty> also...related question... if i have a volume which is mounted in /etc/fstab, and then i destroy that disk....does that cause me a problem with rebooting the machine?
[04:38] <Shaan7> hello_kitty: yes it will cause a problem. The boot process will wait until that volume becomes available. You can use the nofail option to prevent that.
[04:39] <hello_kitty> ah perfect, thanks
[05:19] <AugustusCaesar24> can ubunutu environment variables have uderscores in them?
[05:19] <DrMax> try env in a shell
[05:19] <DrMax> you'll see some that have _
[05:20] <AugustusCaesar24> ive been trying to set an env varibale for some time now and i keep getting    -bash: !: event not found
[05:20] <AugustusCaesar24> i tried both set and export
[05:20] <DrMax> can you paste that somewhere?
[05:21] <AugustusCaesar24> im trying to put in my secret key so i cannot
[05:21] <DrMax> well, replace it by "mysecretkeY" or whatever
[05:22] <DrMax> because !: hints to a syntax error of some sort
[05:22] <DrMax> or something that's not escaped as it should
[05:22] <DrMax> ! is a special character in bash
[05:23] <AugustusCaesar24> https://dpaste.org/tc6D
[05:24] <DrMax>  my_var="test!sdfs"
[05:24] <DrMax> bash: !sdfs: event not found
[05:24] <AugustusCaesar24> maybe because there are special characters in the key that need to be escaped?
[05:24] <DrMax>  my_var="test\!sdfs"
[05:24] <DrMax> (works ok)
[05:24] <AugustusCaesar24> do i need to put a \ before every !   ?
[05:24] <DrMax> https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch08_19.htm
[05:25] <DrMax> ! is special character to access history
[05:25] <DrMax> I won't, promise!
[05:25] <AugustusCaesar24> hmmm ill try it
[05:41] <AugustusCaesar24> i can set environment variables if the string im inputting i put \ before !    but then when im reading it  the \ appear in the string
[05:41] <AugustusCaesar24> how can i set an environment variable to a special character without changing the string?
[05:45] <DrMax> > my_var=aksf\!klsdf; echo ${my_var}
[05:45] <DrMax> aksf!klsdf
[05:45] <DrMax> my bad, "" are evil
[05:46] <AugustusCaesar24> so i shouldnt use double quotes ?
[05:47] <DrMax> not in this case
[05:47] <AugustusCaesar24> ill try single quotes
[05:47] <DrMax> but you'll have to escape spaces, if any
[05:47] <DrMax>  my_var=aksf\!kl\ sdf; echo ${my_var}
[05:47] <DrMax> aksf!kl sdf
[05:48] <DrMax> https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch08_14.htm
[05:49] <DrMax> this explains how ' ', "" and no quote work
[06:08] <AugustusCaesar24> single quotes worked
[06:09] <AugustusCaesar24> double quotes allow for variable usage within the string but single means literal
[06:37] <momken> hello
[06:38] <momken> I am using a Kiwi IRC which I am not accustomed to
[06:51] <xbfrog> i'm trying to download an update .deb file for 4k video i'm getting the error message: the source file could not be read try again later.
[06:51] <xbfrog> the only fixes i found were windows fixes
[06:51] <xbfrog> any help?
[06:52] <ducasse> download what, how, from where?
[06:52] <xbfrog> 4k video from their site
[06:52] <ducasse> whose site?
[06:52] <xbfrog> a .deb file
[06:52] <xbfrog> 4k video
[06:53] <ducasse> yes, i got that, but from who/where?
[06:54] <xbfrog> i dont know why this wasnt clear
[06:54] <xbfrog> https://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader
[06:54] <ducasse> right
[06:55] <ducasse> hmm, i was able to download that just fine
[06:55] <xbfrog> well, the reason i'm asking is because i get a firefox error
[06:56] <xbfrog> odd, 6 times an error now it seems to work. thats strange
[06:56] <xbfrog> nothing here changed
[06:57] <ducasse> did you get the file?
[06:57] <xbfrog> it seems to have been a self healing issue :P yes
[06:58] <ducasse> they might have had some temporary problem
[06:58] <xbfrog> i didnt know what to make of the error message
[06:58] <xbfrog> said contact your admin or try again later
[06:59] <xbfrog> 6 times i tried over a period
[06:59] <xbfrog> same error
[06:59] <xbfrog> i asked here cause i found nothing on google search but fixes for windows
[07:00] <xbfrog> so ok, nevermind
[07:00] <robo731> Wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot what's going on with copying some files to a USB
[07:01] <robo731> I copy the files (seemingly successfully), but once I unmount, they're gone
[07:02] <robo731> It's a FAT32 drive according to fdisk
[07:02] <robo731> I mount it with sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /tmp/usb -o uid=1000,gid=1000,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137
[07:03] <robo731> I sync and then unmount, but if I remount it, I don't see the files
[07:03] <robo731> I'm about out of ideas, so if anyone has any, it would be appreciated
[08:03] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Sorry about that. Had an emergency come up. There are two options here, the fancy one and the straightforward one. The fancy one is to try to re-create the partition table entry without changing the data in the partition, that would magically get everything back in one step. I prefer the more straightforward route that has more steps, which is to make a new fat32 partition, with a new filestem,
[08:03] <Jordan_U> then change the UUID in your /etc/fstab to match the new filesystem UUID, then check with "sudo mount /boot/efi/" to confirm that it's correctly setup in the fstab, then run "sudo grub-install" (no other argument needed) to re-install grub to your new EFI System Partition. Then you should be able to reboot happily.
[08:42] <aep> how do i install a package in cloudinit? apt-get -y still opens a tui menu for installing something menu.lst
[08:43] <aep> which of course won't work because there's no tty. this is cloudinit after all
[09:49] <jjakob> which kernel is best for a xen hvm vm?
[09:51] <jjakob> -generic, -virtual? additional packages?
[11:14] <elias_a> Is the sftp password saved while using déja-dup stored somewhere in plain text? Problem: can I use my login credentials backing up my son's laptop without he being able to reveal them?
[11:16] <elias_a> Oh - it seems to be in the default GNOME keyring
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:27] <TacoCodedSalad> how do i obtain the wayland version of the current desktop that Ubunto 20 runs
[11:27] <TacoCodedSalad> Ubuntu*
[11:54] <OERIAS> is graphical tool that allows you to change the compression ratio of a tar.xz file?
[11:54] <tatertots> why wouldn't the desired compression be decided upon at the point of creation of the tarball?
[11:55] <tatertots> ideally it's created with the proper desired compression at it's creation
[12:31] <xue> Hi, ive got a question about ubuntu 18.04 server and netplan
[12:31] <xue> where should i ask it
[12:35] <xue> is there anybody out here?
[12:37] <mason> xue: There's a #netplan channel, or you can ask here, or #ubuntu-server.
[12:38] <xue> thx
[12:38] <mason> 1138
[12:44] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: good morning ... are you around?
[12:47] <rjwiii> Jordan_U_: Maybe this nick?
[12:51] <strk> there's a software on-screen keyboard that pops up whenever I touch the touchscreen of my laptop, how to disable that ?
[12:55] <nbusrone> Anyone know which how to check for debug log on color setting ?
[13:28]  * xue is copy-pasting
[13:29] <xue> i have rpi2 which i need to use with ros. To use it that way i need to be connected by wi-fi so i do use wifi dongle but i am unable establish connection http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xmZgCQhvkt/ here is my netplan config file, does anybody know what i might be doing wrong? i need also add, that while booting dongle lights up diodes but still timeouts
[13:37] <max12345> hello everyone. My mom has a ubuntu machine running her home automation stuff. Are there resources you can recommend to me as a guide to explain how it works?
[13:38] <max12345> besides the official pages on the first page of search engine results
[13:41] <MikeRL> Question - how can I change my distro on Ubuntu forums? I can't seem to access certain settings pages. I cannot change my distro from Saucy.
[13:41] <MikeRL> Shows how long since I've used the forums.
[13:51] <tatertots> max12345: identify the make/model of this "home automation" stuff you speak of....then read the documentation of those things
[13:52] <deltreey_> anyone use cinnamon desktop with ubuntu?
[13:52] <tatertots> max12345: as long as the make/model of the "stuff" you speak of remains unknown to you, you will not gain any insight to anything
[13:54] <MikeRL> Basically I don't see any way to edit the about me page on Ubuntu forums.
[13:54] <MikeRL> I haven't been on that site in like six or seven years.
[13:55] <MikeRL> Strange cause I could edit the avatar yesterday, now it won't let me. Guess I should email the mods.
[13:59] <MikeRL> Emailed them. Think I haven't been online in six or seven years so I got re-restricted.
[14:00] <deltreey_> I'm using cinnamon and I want to gather windows to a single screen on a multi-monitor setup.  Does anyone know how to do that?
[14:04] <DJones> MikeRL: There is (or at least used be) a channel #ubuntuforums on freenode, they may be able to help you
[14:06] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: ping ...
[14:12] <ajnr> Hi - how to improve the battery performance in ubuntu 20.04. Its just power hungry. i have installed TLD, but no use, system just drained the battery.
[14:15] <MikeRL> DJones, Thanks, I also contacted the mods of the forums through contact us.
[14:15] <MikeRL> Is it bad etiquette to use both the forums and askubuntu? I think the former isn't used as much as it was years ago. Could be just a rumor.
[14:21] <ajnr> Why do i have less battery life when i am using  ubuntu 20.04 OS, is there any way to improve it?
[14:23] <ajnr> Why do i have less battery life when i am using  ubuntu 20.04 OS, is there any way to improve it?  , I am using i am using HP Omen 15 (2018)  Processor: Intel i7 8750H. Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070. RAM: 16GB of RAM.
[14:26] <oerheks> ajnr, tweak it? disable 2nd gpu, limit desktop effects and such
[14:26] <tespi> ajnr: maybe take a look in system processes and see if there's anything using unusually high amounts of cpu time
[15:13] <v0lksman> I want to take a folder of MP3s and copy them to an SD card with random numbers as the file names.  I thought this would do it but I just get the resulting file named ".mp3". What am I doing wrong?  https://dpaste.org/tTVq
[15:15] <uzumaki> you probably need to use /dev/random for pseudorandom numbers
[15:15] <uzumaki> i don't think the environmet variable has been set $RANDOM is evaluating as empty string
[15:16] <v0lksman> uzumaki: yeah I don't need it to be uber secure or fully random...so I thought I was safe with $RANDOM...strange though...if I 'echo $RANDOM' on the command line I get an random number
[15:16] <leftyfb> v0lksman: ${RANDOM}.mp3
[15:17] <leftyfb> v0lksman: your current script suggest a variable named "$RANDOM.mp3"
[15:17] <uzumaki> oh yes you need braces around that
[15:18] <uzumaki> ${RANDOM] not $RANDOM.mp3
[15:18] <v0lksman> still no dice but there is also no output if I add an 'echo $RANDOM' before my cp command...weird
[15:18] <leftyfb> v0lksman: ${RANDOM}.mp3 will work
[15:19] <v0lksman> https://dpaste.org/Ye5h
[15:19] <v0lksman> neither the echo or the cp get a random number
[15:22] <leftyfb> v0lksman: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/t25ZzhcSdN/
[15:22] <leftyfb> works fine for me
[15:23] <v0lksman> huh...no dice over here...strange!
[15:23] <uzumaki> how're you running the script? v0lksman
[15:23] <leftyfb> v0lksman: make sure it's bash, not sh
[15:24] <v0lksman> gahhhhhhh
[15:24] <leftyfb> $RANDOM doesn't exist in sh
[15:24] <uzumaki> there you go!
[15:24] <v0lksman> yep...I had teh shebang as sh but changed it to bash...then ran it with sh ./foo
[15:24] <v0lksman> dumb
[15:24] <v0lksman> lol
[15:24] <uzumaki> happens xD
[15:24] <v0lksman> thanks folks!
[15:24] <uzumaki> happy to help!
[15:58] <amosbird> Hello, is there any tool I can use on linux to zoom the screen?
[15:58] <amosbird> so that 2k screen looks like 1080p?
[15:59] <TJ-> amosbird: Accessibility tools allow zooming. On Xubuntu all I do is hold Alt and scroll the mouse wheel for example
[15:59] <amosbird> hmm
[16:00] <TJ-> amosbird: or you can simply alter the resolution the display is driven at to less than its maximum
[16:02] <amosbird> which looks really bad
[16:02] <oerheks> there is a zoom option in systemsettings, 100-125-150-175-200%
[16:03] <TJ-> amosbird: how it looks is down to the display at that point. Most hi-DPI displays do a good job of downscaling
[16:23] <donofrio> how do I use "file" to get the name out of a ttf file, right  now all it says is "rnJhmVJw.ttf: TrueType font data"
[16:25] <pymagic> is 18.04.6 stable?
[16:25] <pymagic> or should i live with .4?
[16:25] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[16:26] <oerheks> somewhere this month, donofrio
[16:27] <oerheks> 18.04.6 ???
[16:27] <M_aD> pymagic: you will get 18.04.5 automatically
[16:27] <oerheks> oh, he is trolling, nvm
[16:27] <M_aD> it's just a point release
[16:27] <M_aD> oerheks: or a typo
[16:28] <oerheks> even 18.04.5 is not released..
[16:28] <ioria> donofrio, try  'fc-scan /path/to/rnJhmVJw.ttf'
[16:28] <pymagic> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/openssl - 18.04.6
[16:29] <M_aD> pymagic: that's not meant as ubuntu 18.04.6
[16:29] <pymagic> I am looking to update the openssl to 1.1.1g in 18.04 - how do i do that?
[16:30] <M_aD> it's the you should have been more clear about it in the first place :)
[16:30] <M_aD> - it's the
[16:32] <pymagic> Sep 2018 - openssl 1.1.1 is being installed by default. Do I have to compile a newer version for 18.04lts?
[16:34] <leftyfb> pymagic: why do you need a newer version other than what's available from the official repo?
[16:34] <M_aD> what's wrong with the current version in 18.04?
[16:35] <leftyfb> pymagic: openssl 1.1.1-1ubuntu2.1~18.04.6 was released at the end of May of this year
[16:35] <leftyfb> pymagic: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/1.1.1-1ubuntu2.1~18.04.6
[16:36] <pymagic> leftyfb, thanks!
[16:38] <M_aD> so it should be updated by now
[16:38] <leftyfb> it is. I updated mine 4 days later
[16:56] <aaryan> I'm trying to dual boot windows 10 (uefi) with ubuntu20. I think my love usb is bios that's why the ubuntu installer is not able to detect windows OS. My question is how can I create uefi ubuntu live usb?
[16:56] <aaryan> *live
[16:58] <oerheks> current iso's are all hybrid, UEFI and legacy installer. prepare the usb as you used to do?
[16:58] <smallfoot-> Hey can someone paste me their /etc/apt/sources.list file? (preferably if you got Groovy Gorilla, but else is fine too)
[16:58] <oerheks> see the !uefi manual, disable fastboot..
[16:58] <oerheks> !uefi
[16:58] <oerheks> smallfoot-, join #ubuntu+1 for groovy
[16:59] <smallfoot-> oerheks, yeah, I know. But if you don't have groovy then Eoan is good too
[17:00] <oerheks> you can do it yourself; https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[17:01] <smallfoot-> yeah, it generates, but I don't know how the default one looks
[17:01] <oerheks> oh that site has changes :-(
[17:02] <oerheks> https://gist.github.com/h0bbel/4b28ede18d65c3527b11b12fa36aa8d1
[17:02] <smallfoot-> yeah, that one is from old baby 18.04 very old lol
[17:03] <n4mu> Hello
[17:03] <n4mu> I've installed a Kubuntu 20.04 for a friend, but today it will not boot, it's stuck at systemd-user-sessions.service
[17:03] <n4mu> I've searched the web, but search engines don't like me
[17:04] <oerheks> old? it is working..
[17:04] <oerheks> explain why you need a copy of the sourceslist?
[17:05] <n4mu> Does anyone have a clue for me? Cheers. (I've just booted a kubuntu USB stick, I don't seem to see a "reinstall but don't delete /home" option.
[17:05] <smallfoot-> oerheks, because when I did ran update it found no updates, so maybe something wrong wit mine
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> smallfoot-: how about you pastebin yours here
[17:06] <smallfoot-> lotuspsychje, okay
[17:07] <smallfoot-> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/FvvzbkUa this looks weird?
[17:07] <lewie67> hey all, i'm trying to preseed an ubuntu desktop with foreman (which i've done in the past) but when the system boots up it doesn't dhcp...
[17:08] <lewie67> if i log in and run dhclient it works just fine, just won't do it on bootup...any ideas?
[17:09] <M_aD> smallfoot-: 19.10?
[17:10] <smallfoot-> M_aD, no I am 20.10, i am wild boy
[17:13] <M_aD> well then, if you are on 20.10 then do as oerheks suggested and join #ubuntu+1
[17:13] <M_aD> you're not even on eoan
[17:13] <smallfoot-> i did, but nobody is on that channel
[17:14] <M_aD> enough people there
[17:14] <M_aD> maybe afk but still there
[17:15] <M_aD> and by the way, Ubuntu 13.10 _Saucy Salamander??
[17:15] <smallfoot-> yeah, afk people are useless
[17:15] <smallfoot-> yeah, because I used ubuntu since back in the days
[17:15] <smallfoot-> and i used it since 13.10 and never reinstalled, just upgraded
[17:15] <M_aD> dude, people aren't 24/7 at their keyboard
[17:16] <M_aD> btu enough of filling the support channel with cruft :)
[17:22] <smallfoot-> and everytime i open Software Store it try to advertise me proprietary software
[17:25] <oerheks> you do not have to install those.. but your actual uestion was; i get no updates?
[17:25] <oerheks> maybe you are up2date, or try apt update && apt dist-upgrade
[18:03] <nbusrone> May I know where does ubuntu 18.04 brightness value store ?
[18:09] <DrMax> nbusrone : likely /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/idle-brightness ?
[18:09] <DrMax> in dconf-editor
[18:10] <DrMax> if you open dconf-editor, navigage to that value, and play with your brightness buttons on your laptop
[18:10] <DrMax> you should see it change
[18:11] <DrMax> I can't check for you, I'm not on a laptop right now
[18:12] <nbusrone> DrMax : what are you on now ?
[18:13] <DrMax> desktop with external screen
[18:13] <nbusrone> DrMax : desktop means with dedicated graphic card or intel chipset graphic ?
[18:14] <DrMax> nvidia gtx-something something
[18:14] <DrMax> so in /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/... you may have keys that aren't on my machine
[18:14] <nbusrone> DrMax : ? nvidia driver ?
[18:15] <nbusrone> DrMax : ? nvidia open source driver ?
[18:15] <DrMax> nvidia-440
[18:15] <nbusrone> DrMax : Good , I have someone to discuss :)
[18:15] <nbusrone> DrMax : your GC model ?
[18:16] <DrMax> GTX 1650 super
[18:16] <nbusrone> DrMax : Anyway it's also the same.I am on the same boat
[18:16] <DrMax> you may have kets brightness-ac and brighness-dim-battery
[18:16] <nbusrone> DrMax : Are you able to set your nvidia- xserver setting brightness ?
[18:17] <DrMax> I never tried
[18:17] <DrMax> The screen is pretty much calibrated for photo and video
[18:17] <DrMax> https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-stop-automatic-brightness-change-while-on-battery/
[18:17] <nbusrone> DrMax : sorry , i mean i am using a desktop with a 440 and gtx 10 series.
[18:18] <DrMax> that may answer some of your questions
[18:18] <DrMax> ah
[18:18] <DrMax> then I don't really know. Usually it doesn't even detect brightness
[18:18] <DrMax> I'm not even sure HMDI allows for it
[18:19] <DrMax> All I have is the color device profile for it
[18:21] <nbusrone> DrMax : how do you do a color device profile ?
[18:22] <DrMax> 1) get one from the standard list that comes with ubuntu
[18:22] <DrMax> 2) get one from the CD that came with the screen
[18:22] <DrMax> 3) use expensive color-probes thingies
[18:23] <DrMax> I guess I had the one from the company (so 2) )
[18:23] <Shreyanka> yaah and....
[18:25] <nbusrone> DrMax : i am not sure what do you mean by that , or you are using spyder color checker or something similar to generate color profile.
[18:25] <DrMax> there is a list of known icc profiles
[18:26] <DrMax> So you can search on the site of the company you bought your screen from and download the icc profile for that device
[18:26] <nbusrone> DrMax : i am not asking it , i hope you could help me by just going to nvidia x server setting , yuor monitor DVI name and change the brightness.I am getting brightness reset.
[18:27] <DrMax> I don't have a brightness option in nvidia-settings
[18:28] <Shreyanka> hey DrMax
[18:28] <DrMax> nor anywhere else
[18:28] <nbusrone> DrMax : Sorry , i mean my question was not about icc profile , my condition is the brightness reset on nvidia desktop 440 driver.I wanted to know whether you are facing the similar issue here.
[18:28] <DrMax> Shreyanka : yes?
[18:28] <DrMax> no, all is well
[18:29] <Shreyanka> can you just say m how to text someone in private?
[18:29] <nbusrone> DrMax : I just hope you could at lease test the brightness by slide it to lower or higher.
[18:29] <DrMax> Shreyanka : you must be identified
[18:29] <DrMax> nbusrone : I can't (no options, no interface to do so)
[18:30] <DrMax> My computer thinks the screen doesn't do that
[18:30] <Disaster_Area> heya i'm on ubuntu 16.04 lts but on a laptop thats pretty shoddy and just moved a hard drive into it with ubuntu already on and a lot of the memory already used. I've got a bit of a weird/annoying bug with nautilus
[18:30] <nbusrone> DrMax : terminal , type nvidia-setting
[18:30] <Shreyanka> Actually I am a complete beginner. DrMax can you please guide me on how to get identified?
[18:30] <Disaster_Area> the Network option in the left hand side keeps appearing and reappearing, often at quite a clip
[18:30] <Disaster_Area> no clue why and would be happy to just remove the network option but no idea how to do it
[18:30] <nbusrone> DrMax : nvidia-settings , forgot the s
[18:30] <DrMax> yes, but no screen brightness
[18:31] <nbusrone> DrMax : did you see your GPU name ?
[18:31] <nbusrone> DrMax : down the PowerMizer , is your monitor
[18:32] <nbusrone> DrMax : If you are using vga = vga or DVI or DP
[18:32] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: i think i already forgot what this looked like on 16.04, can you show a screenshot?
[18:32] <DrMax> HDMI
[18:33] <Disaster_Area> tomreyn, sure
[18:33] <nbusrone> DrMax : you are using HDMI ?
[18:33] <DrMax> the closest I have is "color correction"
[18:33] <Disaster_Area> I don't have my browser open though uhm will be a minute while I upload a picture there
[18:33] <DrMax> yup
[18:33] <nbusrone> DrMax : yep the color correction
[18:33] <DrMax> it works there
[18:33] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: that's fine
[18:34] <DrMax> Indeed it does
[18:34] <nbusrone> DrMax : try to slide it to lower or higher . Then open a browser play a youtube
[18:34] <DrMax> it doesn't affect the screen, but the image sent to the screen
[18:34] <Disaster_Area> https://imgur.com/812Frcz tomreyn
[18:34] <DrMax> yes, it resets
[18:35] <Disaster_Area> it seems to be behaving fine at this moment but dont know if it will go back on the blink again
[18:35] <nbusrone> DrMax : I though you are using a monitor ? but you are on hdmi ?
[18:35] <nbusrone> DrMax : That is what i am asking , it seems like no one notice at all .
[18:35] <DrMax> yes, hdmi ? what's weird about that?
[18:36] <nbusrone> DrMax : It get reset even on Monitor even you confirm current change
[18:36] <DrMax> yes
[18:36] <DrMax> So it is reproducible
[18:37] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: hmm, i missed you said nautilus (i was wondering "which network option on the left?"), this makes a lot more sense now. i don't know why it would be vanishing, though. my guess is this can be related to samba or nfs support. if you don't need to speak samba (windows file sharing) then you could just uninstall the samba daemon
[18:37] <nbusrone> DrMax : once you logout and login , it reset , once open a youtube reset
[18:37] <DrMax> or just a video on imgur too
[18:37] <nbusrone> DrMax : what do you think causes it to reset ?
[18:37] <Disaster_Area> hmm tomreyn would windows filesharing in this instance include USB connections?
[18:37] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: doing so *may* prevent the network icon issues. or you could chekc you system ogs to see what is actually happening.
[18:38] <Disaster_Area> I don't speak very fluent linux to diagnose it myself unfortunately heh
[18:38] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: no, not usb
[18:38] <Disaster_Area> hmm ok then probably would be fine to remove it
[18:38] <Disaster_Area> so would it just be sudo apt uninstall samba
[18:38] <Disaster_Area> ?
[18:38] <nbusrone> DrMax : you can try testing it out by logout and login or  reboot your PC , or start watching a youtube video or leave your hdmi monitor to run on and power on.All get reset
[18:38] <DrMax> nbusrone : probably some half-baked interaction between disabling screen-saver while video runs or something like that
[18:39] <DrMax> no. I'm not loging out nor rebooting
[18:39] <nbusrone> DrMax : I mean the setting get reset. Did you try xrandr ?
[18:39] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: yes, i'd probably run    sudo apt-get --autoremove purge samba
[18:40] <Disaster_Area> thanks :D
[18:40] <nbusrone> tomreyn , lotuspsychje : looks like not only me who get the same issue with brightness reset.
[18:40] <Disaster_Area> tomreyn, "Package 'samba' is not installed, so not removed
[18:40] <Disaster_Area> "
[18:40] <tomreyn> nbusrone: i'm not sure what you're referring to?
[18:41] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: okay, try this:   sudo apt-get --autoremove purge smbclient libsmbclient
[18:41] <DrMax> no, I havent tried xrandr
[18:41] <tomreyn> Disaster_Area: okay, try this:   sudo apt-get --autoremove purge smbclient libsmbclient samba-common
[18:41] <Disaster_Area> the second one is doing something
[18:41] <DrMax> The quick workaround would be to adjust your screen's brightness from the screen itself
[18:41] <nbusrone> DrMax : May I ask , did you see nvidia graph line when you reduce the brightness of RGB together ?
[18:42] <DrMax> I haven't paid attention
[18:42] <nbusrone> DrMax : Did you notice the x axis and y axis of color getting lower ? and not curve ? I wonder why was it getting lower in axis but not curve
[18:42] <DrMax> The image brightness changed noticeably
[18:42] <DrMax> let me try
[18:43] <DrMax> the line goes down, without changing orientation
[18:43] <nbusrone> DrMax :  At the image,https://i.imgur.com/2TFGdhP.jpg on nvidia setting ,
[18:43] <nbusrone>  When I lower the Birhgtness to -50 https://i.imgur.com/FfCPFhJ.jpg and -1 value https://i.imgur.com/2TFGdhP.jpg of the Nvidia setting graph line lower top and bottom equaly but when I lower the brightness , the graph line only gets lower at the top and not equal.https://i.imgur.com/xoO4mTz.jpg and reduce to none https://i.imgur.com/9q7ofeI.jpg only flatten the graph compare to nvidia setting.
[18:44] <DrMax> yes, does the exact same thing
[18:45] <nbusrone> DrMax :  I am not sure why it lower the brightness RGB axis and not curve. Any term to call it as ? I dont know much about photo and video editing term referring it.
[18:46] <DrMax> curve would need gamma too
[18:46] <nbusrone> DrMax :  long short , I reduce the RGB brightness over nvidia and get reset with the trigger of logout/reboot/youtbe/monitor turn back on from sleep.
[18:47] <DrMax> File a bug to nvidia?
[18:47] <DrMax> You have a good case, it's reproducible (at least, it gets resetted when a video starts)
[18:47] <nbusrone> DrMax :  so the gamma also the reason to get axis to get lower ?
[18:48] <DrMax> gamma correction sets an exponent on the value it makes the line curve up or down (but in a somewhat limited fashion)
[18:48] <DrMax> brightness seems just to be a multiplier
[18:48] <DrMax> 0.8 brightness means 80% intensity for all colors
[18:49] <nbusrone> DrMax : It's not about nvidia bug , more on kernel bug it happen on 14.04 or kernel 3.1 up until now 18.04.5 kernel 5.3
[18:49] <nbusrone> DrMax : In which way I can produce the color exact as nvidia ?
[18:50] <DrMax> I'm on 20.04 now, kernel 5.4.something
[18:50] <nbusrone> DrMax : Should be the same issue
[18:50] <DrMax> 5.4.0-40
[18:50] <DrMax> I matches your symptoms
[18:51] <nbusrone> DrMax : Normally no one bother about it , but even now I am getting color reset.Maybe someone does not care about it but it happen too often for me.
[18:52] <DrMax> I know the feeling
[18:52] <HackerII> thanks for fixing the graphics
[18:52] <HackerII> whew, thought i was screwed
[18:52] <TacoCodedSalad> i think i found a bug in recvmsg
[18:52] <DrMax> I have a similar issue with 20.04
[18:52] <DrMax> ibus (probably) shows bubbles when you type accents
[18:53] <DrMax> that's really annoying
[18:53] <DrMax> I have no idea how that passed
[18:53] <TacoCodedSalad> in recvmsg, between __pthread_enable_asynccancel() and __pthread_disable_asynccancel() a new memfd is created, which is racking up loads of memfd's, in which by the time i recieve an 8th fd i get too many sockets error, and i checked in /proc/PID/fd and its full of memfd fd links
[18:54] <HackerII> i have a question, many models.. many pre-fixes...  how often should someone TRIM his (new) 3D ssd  ??
[18:54] <DrMax> https://imgur.com/a/wusRCfP
[18:54] <DrMax> I can't figure how someone tought it was a good idée
[18:54] <sarnold> HackerII: there should be a systemd timer set to run every week to trim
[18:55] <nbusrone> DrMax : I can't set the axis similar to nivdia setting on x axis , gamma ?
[18:55] <sarnold> DrMax: write in a different language, one without accents? :)
[18:55]  * sarnold runs
[18:55] <HackerII> sarnold,  true.. but...  once a week may or not be true.. is there a concrete answer ???.. thanks
[18:57] <DrMax> sarnold : har har.
[18:57] <sarnold> HackerII: no, there probably isn't a single "best" -- if you run it too frequently, you'll use up your device's write cycles. if you run it too infrequently, it'll use up its write cycles by trying to wear-level stuff that you may not care about anymore..
[18:57] <sarnold> HackerII: but weekly seems to be working fine
[18:57] <mason> HackerII: systemctl | grep trim
[18:58] <tomreyn> journalctl --since=2020-07-06 | grep fstrim
[18:58] <HackerII> well said san
[18:58] <HackerII> sar
[18:58] <HackerII> sarnold,
[18:58] <HackerII> done
[18:58] <nbusrone> DrMax : If you use before gimp image editor , something similar to Color>Curves and drag the x and y lower but not curve it.
[19:02] <HackerII> I must say.. ubuntu seems to be ahead of all these games.. for me.. ive been a ham/cb tech for 50 yrs.. and when i come across a problem.. i attack it head on and look for the weakest link.. seems to me.. ubuntu has done just that. yes.. i have tried many other linux distributors  .. to no avail.. i am a very blessed man.. i have used ubuntu snce 6.06 and  abd am very impressed. thanks UBUNTU>
[19:02] <DrMax> nbusrone : yes, no, it doesn't do the same thing at all
[19:02] <DrMax> HackerII : and the upgrade to 20.04 broke almost nothing
[19:03] <HackerII> how is that DrMax
[19:03] <HackerII> what changed
[19:03] <DrMax> just the stupid gnome hot-keys (win-3 launches the 3rd application on your bar)
[19:03] <HackerII> and
[19:03] <HackerII> ?
[19:03] <DrMax> (I use win-3 to switch to 3rd desktop)
[19:03] <DrMax> Well, I have a bunch of non-default shortcuts
[19:04] <DrMax> most of them survived the upgrade
[19:04] <HackerII> DrMax,  what changed that i should continue ??
[19:04] <DrMax> Sure, if you're using most of the default behavior you won't have problems
[19:04] <HackerII> speak freely
[19:04] <nbusrone> DrMax : Newbie , so I though it would be something similar , in your experience , it's nvidia setting that reset the brightness ? kernel ? xrandr of the OS it self or something else ?
[19:05] <HackerII> DrMax,  do i now have to deal with nightly builds ??
[19:05] <DrMax> nbusrone : probably X ?
[19:05] <DrMax> HackerII : no
[19:05] <DrMax> You upgrade everything and you go on with your life: it keeps all configurations files
[19:05] <HackerII> DrMax,  what about my graphics.. intel 2nd gen
[19:05] <DrMax> It should work OK
[19:05] <nbusrone> DrMax : X ? nvidia ?
[19:06] <HackerII> DrMax,  why should i upgrade.... explain
[19:06] <DrMax> nbusrone : I have no way of knowing that easily. I know neither well enough to have an idea like "oh,  yeah, it's the CreateAVideoWindowOFsomeSort function that has a bad parameter"
[19:06] <DrMax> HackerII : on what version are you?
[19:06] <HackerII> 18
[19:07] <HackerII> 04
[19:07] <HackerII> works exceptional
[19:07] <DrMax> 18.04 LTS then It's still has a couple of years left (up to 2023 being supported, if I recall correctly)
[19:07] <HackerII> like 7.04 did
[19:07] <DrMax> I started with 5.05
[19:07] <HackerII> so
[19:07] <HackerII> wha t did i just say
[19:08] <nbusrone> DrMax : Thanks , normally you didn't adjust the brightness through nvidia or xrandr or some other ppa application like brightness controller ?
[19:08] <DrMax> nope
[19:08] <HackerII> 7.04 was great.. it screwed up with 7.04
[19:08] <DrMax> just calibrated the screen separately
[19:08] <HackerII> figure that one out
[19:09] <DrMax> Well, if you're happy with 18.04LTS with no hardware problem, no need to upgrade in a rush
[19:09] <HackerII> DrMax,  what is the amplitude of upgrading
[19:09] <DrMax> It's just that I upgrade from LTS to LTS to make sure I get the right stuff and not end-up with unupgradable software
[19:10] <DrMax> HackerII : faster gnome? more configurability for gnome
[19:10] <HackerII> wha t software would that  be
[19:10] <DrMax> better stability for me and my graphics card
[19:10] <HackerII> explain
[19:10] <DrMax> say LaTeX
[19:11] <HackerII> i dont use latex.. im a worn out click & bait windoze user
[19:11] <nbusrone> DrMax : you just adjust the brightness through the monitor button ? I guess that is the only option for me to adjust the brightness
[19:11] <TacoCodedSalad> anyone?
[19:12] <DrMax> nbusrone : yes (and actually no, because it's on the default settings, being factory-calibrated and all that)
[19:12] <HackerII> TacoCodedSalad,  please explain
[19:12] <tomreyn> TacoCodedSalad: welcome to ubuntu support, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:12] <oerheks> TacoCodedSalad,  you can repeat your Q after such long time
[19:12] <TacoCodedSalad> in recvmsg, between __pthread_enable_asynccancel() and __pthread_disable_asynccancel() a new memfd is created, which is racking up loads of memfd's, in which by the time i recieve an 8th fd i get too many sockets error, and i checked in /proc/PID/fd and its full of memfd fd links
[19:12] <leftyfb> !bug | TacoCodedSalad
[19:13] <HackerII> ya
[19:13] <HackerII> bug
[19:13] <DrMax> I got to go, but I'll be back a bit later ... me has things to do
[19:13] <TacoCodedSalad> is anyone else getting this?
[19:13] <TacoCodedSalad> as well?
[19:13] <HackerII> DrMax,  Gday mate
[19:14] <tomreyn> TacoCodedSalad: which software are you actually referring to?
[19:14] <leftyfb> HackerII: can we help you with something?
[19:14] <nbusrone> DrMax : Normally on a dark room and everytime I need control the brightnes using button which is tedious , I though of using nvidia or brightness control but it keep on resetting to default value when it get trigger with logout/boot/youtube/wake up screen
[19:14] <TacoCodedSalad> tomreyn: none
[19:14] <HackerII> no sr
[19:14] <leftyfb> HackerII: this is a support channel. Please /join #ubuntu-offtopic for idel chat
[19:14] <leftyfb> idle*
[19:14] <TacoCodedSalad> tomreyn: its a program i wrote myself
[19:14] <sarnold> TacoCodedSalad: oh wow, that sounds really odd. quite a lot of applications will run recvmsg() in a tight loop, so if glibc's just outright leaking a ton of fds, I'd have to imagine not much would work well
[19:15] <sarnold> TacoCodedSalad: can you pastebin your source code?
[19:15] <tomreyn> TacoCodedSalad: then you seem to be on the wrong channel, since this channel is for ubuntu support (not development)
[19:15] <TacoCodedSalad> that uses sockets for fd transferal from 1 program to the next
[19:15] <tomreyn> there's channels about C and programming out there
[19:16] <tomreyn> !alis | TacoCodedSalad
[19:16] <HackerII> have a good day folks.. thank you for your service and attributes.
[19:17] <TacoCodedSalad> sarnold: https://gist.github.com/554adfd3c6b7c874852d396fd3979fa0
[19:18] <nbusrone> DrMax : I tried multiple way , xrandr --output DVI-D-0 --brightness  --gamma  , xcalib , add "quiet splash acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor" or nvidia.NVreg_EnableBacklightHandler=1 , still get reset  .Edit xorg and add  Option "RegistryDwords" "EnableBrightnessControl=1" still get reset.I have no other way to fix it since i am newbie on linux setting.
[19:19] <nbusrone> DrMax : Maybe revert to nvidia nouveau open source driver may fix the issue .
[19:19] <TacoCodedSalad> tomreyn: i still think this is related to Ubuntu, in either one of the libs it ships with, or in its kernel, i dont know
[19:20] <tomreyn> TacoCodedSalad: as long as sarnold is happy to discuss it here, i guess i'm fine.
[19:21] <tomreyn> TacoCodedSalad: which ubuntu version and kernel version are you using there anyways?
[19:21] <tomreyn> any special environment?
[19:22] <nbusrone> Hopefully someone over here can confirm whether it's a bug or a setting that affect brightness reset.I need to fill a bug on ubuntu.Hope someone can help out by then DrMax
[19:23] <sarnold> TacoCodedSalad: I believe in the case of recvmsg() indicating the peer has closed the socket, or an error, you should also close your side of the socket, no? also, I don't know if it's intentional, but the recvmsg() on line 9 appears to be throwing away the received data -- is that intentional?
[19:23] <parsnip> when i cmake in weechat, all the dependencies are fixed if i do build-dep, except for with php. any ideas?
[19:27] <elias_a> I have several 18.04 installations that do not notify user about new LTS version. Is this a generally known bug?
[19:28] <TacoCodedSalad> tomreyn: ubuntu 20
[19:28] <TacoCodedSalad> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[19:28] <TacoCodedSalad> Linux smallville7123-MacBookPro 5.4.0-40-generic #44-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 23 00:01:04 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:29] <TacoCodedSalad> sarnold: specifically the memfd is created here:
[19:29] <TacoCodedSalad> (gdb) stepi 0x00007ffff7f4308b      28      in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/recvmsg.c (gdb) shell ls -l /proc/235509/fd/18 ls: cannot access '/proc/235509/fd/18': No such file or directory (gdb) stepi 28      in ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/recvmsg.c (gdb) shell ls -l /proc/235509/fd/18 lrwx------ 1 smallville7123 smallville7123 64 Jul 14 05:26 /proc/235509/fd/18 -> '/memfd:memfd (deleted)' (gdb)
[19:29] <nbusrone> DrMax : thanks for the help :) I may have question next time regarding with color control , hope you'll spare sometime to guide me then thanks :)
[19:31] <tomreyn> elias_a: if any of them does, i think that would be a misconfiguration of a bug at this time.
[19:33] <sarnold> wow, that's short .. https://sources.debian.org/src/glibc/2.31-0experimental2/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/recvmsg.c/
[19:34] <tomreyn> elias_a: s/ of / or /
[19:37] <tomreyn> elias_a: "Users of 18.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 20.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 23rd" https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-April/000256.html
[19:50] <jozefk> Anybody managed to get the D-Link DWA 171 WiFi USB working with Ubuntu 20.04?
[19:51] <leftyfb> jozefk: please detail your issue. Any error messages and/or what you have done so far.
[19:51] <oerheks> brand name does not say anything, what chipset is used
[19:51] <jozefk> I tried to install the driver but WiFi is not appearing. Just like I installed nothing
[19:52] <oerheks> lspci or lsusb gives details, paste that single line here please
[19:52] <leftyfb> jozefk: how did you try to install which driver?
[19:52] <jozefk> rtl8812au should be. That's what worked on Debian Testing at least. But Ubuntu got kernel 5.4.0. I don't if that's the reason
[19:53] <jozefk> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 2001:3314 D-Link Corp. 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[19:53] <jozefk> leftyfb, I found a driver on github and installed it with dkms
[19:54] <jozefk> then I removed it because it didn't work. Then tried another driver from github, that one didn't work either
[19:54] <jozefk> I think I still didn't remove that second one
[19:56] <frad> is there any linux sound mixer? say I have a track and I want to add effects to it, synth and so...
[19:57] <elias_a> tomreyn: Oh, I was not aware about the date. Thank you!
[20:01] <compdoc> frad, if you cant find one, you might look at video editing programs. they should how tools for that
[20:04] <sarnold> frad: audacity perhaps?
[20:04] <frad> ok...
[20:06] <frad> holy shit, you are loaded! https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/
[20:50] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: ping
[20:54] <nbusrone> hi how do I launch software & updates from terminal line ? https://imgur.com/vB5F2bv
[20:54] <sarnold> nbusrone: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade  ?
[20:55] <nbusrone> sarnold : nope , I mean the gui https://imgur.com/vB5F2bv
[20:55] <sarnold> ah
[20:56] <nbusrone> sarnold : does it call software and updates ? or something else ? I can't seem to find anyway to launch it.Repository ?
[20:59] <Ben64> software-properties-gtk on my system
[20:59] <nbusrone> Ben64 : thank you , it works , will remember the word
[21:08] <nbusrone> sarnold , Ben64 : do you think there is a way to call an application when waking up from blank screen ?
[21:10] <nbusrone> like ,  when the monitor is in black screen after 10 minutes idle , by moving the mouse wake the display.There I add a call for "xrandr --output DVI-D-0 --brightness" to set the brightness ?
[21:11] <nbusrone> Because I can't find any permanent way to force brightness setting.
[21:11] <sarnold> nbusrone: nothing that I know of
[21:12] <nbusrone> sarnold : oh , well , i really did the most of the way finding out how set brightness as permanent but no luck , i am not even know whether it's a kernel but or nvidia driver even open source nouveau doesn't set the brightness as permanent..
[21:24] <scythefwd2> howdy folks.. can someone assist me in how to connect to my router via a usb console cable?
[21:25] <Premlez> Cisco?
[21:26] <scythefwd2> yeah.. found it .. screen
[21:26] <scythefwd2> but if there is a better way.. I'm all ears
[21:27] <scythefwd2> actually , here is probably a more relevant question
[21:27] <scythefwd2> dmesg shows it as /dev/ttyUSB0
[21:27] <scythefwd2> will it always be enumerated as that?
[21:29] <sarnold> it depends what else you've got plugged into your system
[21:29] <sarnold> you can probably give it a more 'persistant' name via udev's matching rules
[21:30] <scythefwd2> its the only usb console / serial cable I own.. well that I'll hook up.  My other wont work with this router.. wrong interface (db9 vs rj45)
[21:30] <scythefwd2> ok.. so best practice then would likely be to just dmesg right after plugging it in and see what it's assigned it as
[21:31] <sarnold> yeah, that's certaily easiest if you'rejust oging to be doing it once in a while, or from many machines, etc
[21:32] <scythefwd2> once I get the switch IP'd.. this cable will gather dust lol
[21:32] <scythefwd2> its my only managed switch
[21:33] <scythefwd2> well, not quite accurate.. the dell in theory is, but this old hunk is better in everything but line speed.. and really 100mb in my house is MORE than enough
[21:33] <scythefwd2> appreciate it.. guess I an do some reading up on udev matching rules.. I'll forget them from a off the top of my head standpoint, but something will stick
[21:35] <pinnerup> Today (or yesterday) I've started suddenly seeing popups in the bottom left of the screen, saying "You are currently offline" and then immediately afterwards "Your internet connection was restored". Is this a new Ubuntu thing?
[21:35] <Bashing-om> scythefwd2: ^ A short text file beats a long memory every time :P
[21:35] <scythefwd2> not wrong.. just remembering where the file is :D
[21:35] <scythefwd2> OK.. how do I close out of screen without killing my terminal?
[21:37] <tomreyn> pinnerup: not a universal one, no. as always, details on your installation and hardware, and relevant logs can help analyze such issues.
[21:39] <tomreyn> scythefwd2: type "exit" to close the shell you are running there, or press ctrl-d. to keep the inner shell / tty connection active (and thus screen, too, but not in the foreground), you can press ctrl-a-d (detach)
[21:39] <tespi> scythefwd2: ctrl-a d
[21:40] <pinnerup> tomreyn: Okay, just trying to see what's causing it. I'm suspecting it may be Facebook instead. The popup seems only to appear in browser windows with Facebook open, come to think of it.
[21:40] <scythefwd2> thanks.. that just detaches from it and keeps it running in background right?
[21:40] <tespi> yeah
[21:41] <tespi> you can then use screen -r to go back to it
[21:41] <tomreyn> pinnerup: can'T comment on this, i hardly ever use this site.
[21:42] <scythefwd2> is there a way to fully close it?  Like I'm packing up the laptop and dont want to be connected anymore besides ctrl-a-d and then killing the process
[21:42] <_jak> Hi all! I can't get my GUI to start on a fresh 20.04 install. I can log in fine over ssh, and when I start the machine I get all the graphical stuff, but when I log in, it shows the desktop for a sec, but it quickly throws me back out to the login screen
[21:45] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> _jak: you should look for errors in journalctl -b 0 -r or dmesg
[21:45] <scythefwd2> if you think its jsut fb.. you could ping something like google and look for dropped packets while it's going on
[21:46] <scythefwd2> k4rt0f3lch33t4h has the better answer but mine would be pretty obvious and real time feedback
[21:47] <tomreyn> scythefwd2: ctrl-a \   to force GNU screen to quit.
[21:49] <scythefwd2> much thanks again
[21:58] <_jak> k4rt0ff3lch33t4h: thanks! This has given me a breadcrumb
[22:00] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Ping ...
[22:02] <k4rt0ff3lch33t4h> _jak: np
[22:18] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: I'm here, sort of.
[22:20] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: is now a good time? I would like to pick up where we left off yesterday ... I'm the guy that deleted my EFI partition by accident ...
[22:21] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: you told me to create a new FAT partiton ...
[22:21] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Then you got disconnected ...
[22:21] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: I'll be able to give you my full attention in about 10 minutes.
[22:22] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: thanks ... I can wait ...
[22:22] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: (Repeating the message I sent late last night, I'll go into more detail in 10 minutes on each of these steps) Sorry about that. Had an emergency come up. There are two options here, the fancy one and the straightforward one. The fancy one is to try to re-create the partition table entry without changing the data in the partition, that would magically get everything back in one step. I prefer the
[22:22] <Jordan_U> more straightforward route that has more steps, which is to make a new fat32 partition, with a new filestem, then change the UUID in your /etc/fstab to match the new filesystem UUID, then check with "sudo mount /boot/efi/" to confirm that it's correctly setup in the fstab, then run "sudo grub-install" (no other argument needed) to re-install grub to your new EFI System Partition.  If you ever want more detail, please ask. Start by just making the new FAT32 partition then pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[22:52] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: I'll be back within 5 minutes ... Just need to show the wife something ...
[22:56] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: I'm back ...
[22:57] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Here's a photo of what the Disk Utility looks like ready for me to press "Create": https://imgur.com/qQs5p3E
[22:57] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Volume name? Can that be anything?
[22:58] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: and should I
[22:58] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: and should I "Erase"?
[22:58] <oerheks> that setting seems correct for the EFI partition.
[23:00] <N64N64> i cannot get past the login screen anymore. it just freezes. i think its because i unplugged with an external monitor plugged in, and removed it when i rebooted. it constantly spams the message:
[23:00] <N64N64> cannot open display "default display"
[23:01] <N64N64> is there some way to reset the monitor settings?
[23:01] <N64N64> i have access to a shell via ctrl+alt+f2
[23:01] <N64N64> but that's it
[23:02] <N64N64> im on a thinkpad x230 btw, if that matters
[23:04] <TJ-> N64N64: firstly, ensure its a user-profile-only issue by created a new empty user account and logging into the GUI successfully with that. "adduser test" at the CLI
[23:05] <TJ-> N64N64: if that works you can then find/remove the offending config in your usualy user profile, which'll be under either $HOME/.config/ or $HOME/.local/
[23:06] <N64N64> TJ-: genius
[23:06] <N64N64> test account works
[23:07] <TJ-> N64N64: OK, so now, in the CLI, we can hunt down the offending config. Are you using regular Ubuntu/Gnome (not Xubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu etc.) ?
[23:07] <N64N64> yeah
[23:07] <N64N64> regular ubuntu 20.04
[23:07] <TJ-> N64N64: I don't use Gnome (ever) so I'm a bit vague on where the config is but I do recall dealing with this for others a long time ago
[23:08] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Erase is not needed, but also won't hurt anything.
[23:08] <N64N64> im going to remove gnome immediately after this lol
[23:08] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Press "Create"?
[23:08] <N64N64> TJ-: which *ubuntu do you recommend
[23:08] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Yes.
[23:09] <TJ-> N64N64: start off with the CLI, ensuring you're in the offending user account, then do "find $HOME -type f -name 'monitors.xml' -ls "
[23:09] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Done ...
[23:09] <TJ-> N64N64: I deploy Xubuntu for desktop use
[23:10] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid".
[23:10] <TJ-> N64N64: hopefully that command will find a file
[23:10] <N64N64> TJ-: i already removed that
[23:10] <N64N64> from googling earlier
[23:11] <N64N64> maybe i should just nuke ~/.config
[23:11] <N64N64> or mv it somewhere
[23:11] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xyr45fjqPz/
[23:13] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: line 38? UUID?
[23:13] <TJ-> N64N64: OK, so there's more to squelch then. If we can figure it out ... I seem to recall there's something in $HOME/.cache/ somewhere too and you CAN remove that. Try "mv $HOME/.{,old}cache " then GUI login
[23:14] <N64N64> nuking .config didnt do anything. trying .cache
[23:15] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Correct, 9969-4B9E is the UUID you need to put into /etc/fstab to replace the old UUID for /boot/efi/ . Do you know how to edit text files as root?
[23:16] <N64N64> TJ-: nuking .cache did not work either. tried rebooting as well
[23:16] <N64N64> and by "not work" = nothing changed
[23:16] <TJ-> N64N64: all that is left is $HOME/.local/ then in terms of hidden files/DBs
[23:16]  * N64N64 prays
[23:16] <TJ-> N64N64: you might want to bring back .config/ once you've solved this
[23:17] <N64N64> oh god .local has all my steam games
[23:17] <TJ-> N64N64: well there's a win for starters then :D
[23:17] <TJ-> I've just saved you Gigabytes :p
[23:17] <mr-rich> Jordan_U: This rjwiii getting ready for a reboot on another computer ...
[23:17] <N64N64> lol
[23:18] <rjwiii> Jordan_U_: sudo nano ...
[23:18] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Yup, that works.
[23:18] <scythefwd2> well that was a blast down memory lane.. haven't touched a blank router for probably 18 years.. and got this things ios backed up.. thanks again for the tips using screen
[23:19] <N64N64> TJ-: .local didnt work either :/
[23:19] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: So, Line 39, not 38?
[23:20] <N64N64> Cannot open display "default display"
[23:20] <N64N64> ^ that keeps getting spammed in shell for ctrl+alt+f2
[23:20] <TJ-> N64N64: how are you 'starting' the GUI session ?
[23:20] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Yes, 39. You can tell because its the first partition (sda1) and also because it has the filesystem label that you chose, "EFI".
[23:21] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Sorry that I didn't notice that you actually said 38 the first time :)
[23:21] <N64N64> TJ-: no clue. whatever ubuntu does by default
[23:21] <N64N64> maybe i should try xinit?
[23:21] <scythefwd2> are you trying sudo?
[23:21] <TJ-> N64N64: as an experiment try "sudo systemctl restart display-manager"
[23:21] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Done and saved ...
[23:21] <TJ-> N64N64: this would restart the GUI greeter session again
[23:22] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. Now try running "sudo mount /boot/efi/". Hopefully it should complete with no output.
[23:22] <N64N64> TJ-: yeah that restarted it
[23:22] <N64N64> but still cant login
[23:22] <TJ-> N64N64: also, if it fails, check for clues in $HOME/.xsession-errors
[23:22] <TJ-> N64N64: and the Xorg.0.log that is somewhere in $HOME : "find $HOME -type f -name 'Xorg*.log'
[23:22] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Success ... no output ...
[23:23] <TJ-> N64N64: Xorg log is what we really need to see
[23:23] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Double checking with an "ls -al" ...
[23:23] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. You should see no files in /boot/efi/ (yet).
[23:24] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: none yet ... just . & ..
[23:25] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Now run "sudo grub-install" .
[23:26] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Installing for x86_64-efi platform.Installation finished. No error reported
[23:27] <N64N64> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/raw/68DA1abK
[23:27] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: Great. You should be able to reboot now, and you're done.
[23:27] <N64N64> o shit i slightly doxed myself lol
[23:27] <N64N64> oh well
[23:27] <mr-rich> Jordan_U: Ok ... attempting a reboot now ... wish me luck ...
[23:29] <mr-rich> Jordan_U: Drumroll please ...
[23:30] <mr-rich> Jordan_U: All is well ... thank you
[23:30] <N64N64> it cant find a few drivers
[23:30] <N64N64> but other than that
[23:30] <N64N64> it seems fine?
[23:30] <Jordan_U> mr-rich: You're welcome :)
[23:30] <TJ-> N64N64: that looks remarkably clean and OK
[23:30] <N64N64> aslkdjaslkdj
[23:30] <N64N64> maybe just
[23:30] <N64N64> make a new user
[23:30] <N64N64> move everything over
[23:30] <TJ-> N64N64: it shows a shutdown at the end but not what caused it, but timestamps show it is immediate
[23:31] <N64N64> i did $(reboot)
[23:31] <N64N64> `reboot`
[23:31] <scythefwd2> which fw does ubuntu 20.04 use?  is it iptables?
[23:31] <mr-rich> Jordan_U: I'll tell you the story of how that happened once I get back on irc ...
[23:31] <TJ-> N64N64: I recall there might be something stored under /var/ too
[23:31] <N64N64> a log you mean?or config file
[23:32] <Jordan_U> !ufw | scythefwd2
[23:32] <scythefwd2> much thanks
[23:32] <Jordan_U> scythefwd2: Note that UFW of course itself uses iptables.
[23:32] <N64N64> oh interesting
[23:33] <N64N64> oh nvm
[23:33] <N64N64> running `xinit` caused an error
[23:33] <TJ-> N64N64: ahhh, that is only with lightdm, not gdm3
[23:33] <N64N64> but under the test account
[23:33] <N64N64> it also errored, so nvm
[23:33] <N64N64> TJ-: ?
[23:34] <N64N64> lightdm causes an error when running `xinit`?
[23:34] <TJ-> N64N64: the /var/lib/lightdm-data/ is only with the light display manager, not Gnome Display Manager
[23:34] <N64N64> oh i see
[23:34] <N64N64> maybe i should just remove gnome
[23:34] <N64N64> and install xfce
[23:34] <N64N64> or rather, just install xfce and change the settings, not remove gnome
[23:35] <TJ-> N64N64: we know this is per-user so there's something in your $HOME... I wonder if it could be files not owned by that user? try this to identify them: "find $HOME -not -user $USER -ls"
[23:35] <N64N64> okay interesting
[23:35] <N64N64> something changed
[23:35] <sarnold> Jordan_U: note that thtere's some effort in ufw to support nftables stuff https://git.launchpad.net/ufw/commit/?id=9e095c2253ad68aaf6768506081af352dee2d0fe
[23:35] <N64N64> now when i try to log in, it immediately kicks me back
[23:36] <N64N64> it doesnt freeze or anything
[23:36] <N64N64> so maybe i have something in my ~/.profile or something that causes it to log out
[23:36] <N64N64> i dunno
[23:36] <N64N64> wait that wouldn't matter cuz i would need to open a shell
[23:36] <N64N64> and my .profile is normal i think
[23:37] <N64N64> TJ-: that command didnt output anything
[23:37] <Jordan_U> sarnold: Thank you! I was actually wondering about that.
[23:38] <TJ-> N64N64: so that's good
[23:38] <TJ-> N64N64: next we have to identify the most recently accessed files and study the list for ones that might be related to this issue, so start with "ls -latr $HOME"
[23:39] <TJ-> N64N64: pay attention to the 'dot' files, those with a leading . on their name, which are by convention usually hidden from directory listings
[23:40] <TJ-> N64N64: unless gnome has started putting settings somewhere other than .config/ or .local/ or .cache/ there should be 'dot' config files for lots of things in $HOME and possibly some directories too which you'll need to explore as well
[23:40] <N64N64> .bash_history, .profile, .cache, .config, .local (since i removed them), .bashrc
[23:40] <N64N64> maybe .bashrc
[23:40] <TJ-> N64N64: hmmm doubt it very much!
[23:41] <N64N64> wow
[23:41] <N64N64> that was it
[23:41] <N64N64> wtf
[23:41] <TJ-> N64N64: if this is caused by a config issue the offending file would almost always be found in .config/ or .local/ - I'm now wondering if you've got some autostarting program on login that caused this
[23:41] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Just to tell you the story ... I'm and old school geek (pushing 60) and I was feeling nostalgic. So I was trying to set up Quake I to run on my new Thelio. It doesn't have a CD drive on it, so I was going to blast away the contest of a thumb drive and put the Quake I files on it.  So I started deleting partitions ... it was then I relized my thumb drive was NOT selected ... DOH! ... As I said, I'm an old school geek. This EFI stuff is new to me. If it had been good ole' LILO, I would have had it fixed in a jiffy ...
[23:44] <rjwiii> Jordan_U: Thanks again for the help ...
[23:44] <N64N64> and here is ~/.profile
[23:44] <N64N64> https://pastebin.com/raw/tKiit5jD
[23:45] <TJ-> N64N64: so maybe one of the other files being sourced then
[23:47] <Jordan_U> rjwiii: You're welcome.
[23:48] <TJ-> N64N64: is there something in $HOME/local/bin/ that get's executed in place of a system executable due to it being first in PATH ?
[23:55] <N64N64> ohhhh
[23:55] <N64N64> nah
[23:55] <N64N64> aite dolphin-emu hammer ripcord
[23:55] <N64N64> is all thats in there
[23:55] <N64N64> TJ-:
[23:55] <N64N64> also brb gonna get some food
[23:59] <TJ-> N64N64: did the timestamp on .bashrc indicate a recent change ?


[04:10] <lilstevie> dcordes
[08:14] <ndec> ogra_: hi
[09:47] <ogra_> hey ndec
[09:47] <ndec> ogra_: just wanted to confirm that I will be at UDS, from Mon to Wed.
[09:48] <ndec> Wed all day
[09:48] <ogra_> awesome !!!!!
[09:49] <ogra_> dont forget to register on LP
[09:49] <ogra_> ;)
[09:49] <ndec> ogra_: that's done ..
[10:47] <cooloney> ndec: welcome, man
[10:49] <hrw> ndec: cool
[14:37] <ppisati> guys, did you ever use jtag on the mvl-dove board? and if yes, which hw/sw did you use?
[14:37] <ppisati> have you ever tried with openocd?
[14:39] <ogra_> i dont think anyone has touched dove in over a year
[14:39] <ppisati> yep
[14:39] <ogra_> (and i dont think anyone in the team is eager to do so)
[14:39] <ppisati> :)
[14:39] <ppisati> no no
[14:39] <ppisati> it's just that i'm debugging an issue on ti-omap3/4
[14:39] <ppisati> and to me, it looks like a stack corruption
[14:39] <ogra_> we had a special dongle for jtag iirc
[14:40] <ppisati> so i would like to see how it works on another arm platform
[14:40] <ppisati> i have a fly swatter and i'm using openocd
[14:40] <ppisati> i just need to know which profile i should use
[14:40] <ppisati> BTW
[14:41] <ogra_> ppisati, asl pprplague
[14:41] <ogra_> *ask
[14:41] <ppisati> as far as you know, is our dove equal to a sheevapolug?
[14:41] <ogra_> no, not at all
[14:41] <ppisati> uh ok
[14:41] <ogra_> its similar but not equal to the armada chip
[14:41] <ppisati> ok
[14:41] <ogra_> its a completely experimental platform
[14:42] <ppisati> i see
[14:42] <ogra_> talk to NCommander for more details, he maintained the port
[14:42] <ppisati> ooooook
[14:43] <ppisati> btwm who is pprplague?
[14:43] <ogra_> works at tincantools and is a contractor at TI afaik
[14:43] <hrw> prpplague is good person to ask about JTAG stuff
[14:44] <ppisati> oh cool
[14:44] <ppisati> my jtag is from tincantools :)
[14:44] <ogra_> thats why i pointed you to him ;)
[14:45] <ppisati> ok, i'll chase him
[14:45] <hrw> my jtag equipment is from openmoko
[14:47] <ppisati> anyway, i senti an email to saeed
[14:48] <ppisati> let's see if he knows the correct profile/cpu for our dove board
[15:41] <rsalveti> ndec: https://launchpad.net/~rsalveti/+archive/unity-3d-gles/
[15:43] <rsalveti> ndec: activate the ppa, install compiz-core and compiz-gnome then once you have your unity-2d session up and running call "compiz --replace composite opengl move resize decor"
[15:51] <hrw> rsalveti: compiz gles will land in oneiric?
[15:52] <rsalveti> hrw: that's the idea
[15:52] <rsalveti> I believe that will be the natural path once Amaranth merge his branch with upstream
[15:52] <rsalveti> but still need more love to make it work properly
[15:53] <hrw> one step closer to desktops
[15:54] <ndec> hrw: you meant to modern desktop... as it's already a desktop
[15:54] <hrw> ndec: my desktop is not modern then - no compiz
[15:54] <hrw> ;D
[15:55] <ndec> hrw: could it be that you are not modern ;-)
[15:55] <ogra_> pfft, unity-2d is so much better anyway
[15:55] <ndec> ndec: have to admit that I don't use unity3d, but standard desktop, but i still use the effects...
[15:55] <hrw> ndec: if modern==use-unity then I will never be modern
[15:56] <hrw> [ 1422.107879] Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0p2, logical block 326038
[15:56] <hrw> [ 1426.970520] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 6924832, nr 8, card status 0xc00
[15:56] <hrw> I hate SD cards
[15:56] <ndec> hrw: not what i meant... i am not using it either.
[15:56] <hrw> [ 1411.778564] JBD: I/O error detected when updating journal superblock for mmcblk0p2.
[15:56] <hrw> [ 1411.786682] journal commit I/O error
[15:56] <rsalveti> hrw: panda or beagle?
[15:56] <hrw> panda
[15:56] <hrw> EA1/ES2.0
[15:57] <hrw> rsalveti: I hope that at luds-o there will be some good non-TI boards available for linaro people
[15:57] <hrw> I am tired of omap[34] based boards
[15:58] <ogra_> well, make nvidia sign up :)
[15:58] <ogra_> get an ac100
[15:58] <rsalveti> hrw: don't know when we'll be getting snowballs, and also not sure about the current state of the sw for it
[15:59] <rsalveti> but that will be an option soon
[15:59] <hrw> ogra_: as linaro engineer I should use linaro hw so even ac100 will not free me from using other boards ;S
[15:59] <rsalveti> nvidia is harder, they don't want to play the opensource game correctly
[15:59] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: We get those every year in winter.  Oh, you were referring to something else.
[15:59] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: hehe :-)
[16:00] <hrw> GrueMaster: snowball is ST-Ericsson A9 board
[16:00] <GrueMaster> Ah, my bad.  :P
[16:00] <ogra_> GrueMaster, well, keep the software after you melted one ;)
[16:00] <ogra_> in a bucket :)
[16:01] <Neko> oh hey I have a comment on the Oneric goals thing for ARM.. I think supporting a raw partition for kernels etc. is kind of a weird idea. Any attempt to override some kind of filesystem management of kernels is going to just make everyone hyper-reliant on flash-kernel to update their systems where it could just be n ext2 partition. There's absolutely nothing wrong with U-Boot ext2 support (except one weird error code which we have a patch for :)
[16:01] <Neko> I forget who's little braindump that was listed under, maybe rsalveti?
[16:01] <ogra_> no, it was mine
[16:01] <rsalveti> ndec: at this ppa you can also grab the unity-2d package, I enabled the qt gles backend by default on it
[16:02] <Neko> is it specifically to support weirdo systems like AC100 that don't actually run U-Boot?
[16:02] <ogra_> with the redesigned flash-kernel it shouldnt be a prob to rely on it ;)
[16:02] <rsalveti> ndec: but for that you'll need the latest driver at omap-trunk ppa, I exposed EGL_NV_post_convert_rounding so Qt can work fine with the PVR driver
[16:02] <ogra_> no, it is mainly for the crappy vfat stuff we have to use to boot from
[16:02] <rsalveti> ndec: would be good to fully implement this extension later, will follow that on an email
[16:02] <Neko> a real redesign or the "loic jiggling"?
[16:03] <hrw> ogra_: try uboot-as-linux-kernel way?
[16:03] <ogra_> the debian redesign thats going on since a year or so
[16:03] <ogra_> yes, loic works on that too
[16:03] <hrw> ogra_: nokia n900 devs got that way
[16:03] <ogra_> and i will too
[16:03] <ogra_> hrw, for what ?
[16:03] <hrw> "echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger" - best command on panda
[16:03] <Neko> making bootloaders data driven is an expensive configuration nightmare.. every time it needs new data for each board, there's a new little bit of code that ends up being board specific just to make it boot. I don't think you can encapsulate bootloaders in a generic way and still capture all their useful features.
[16:04] <hrw> ogra_: for ac100?
[16:04] <ogra_> hrw, why ?
[16:04] <ogra_> i have a pertty good bootloader atm
[16:04] <ogra_> no need to change it
[16:04] <hrw> ok then
[16:04] <Neko> my primary concern though was the fact that flash-kernel was not designed to run off kernel hooks, I am glad you brought that up
[16:04] <Neko> it needs kicking 10 other packages in other arches though
[16:05] <ogra_> well, initramfs-tools upstream did
[16:05] <Neko> initramfs-tools calling flash-kernel if it exists causes a bunch of weeeeeeeird hacks to be required
[16:05] <ogra_> i wouldnt have changed the way flash-kernel is used atm if upstream would have agreed on my bug suggestion
[16:05] <ogra_> ??
[16:05]  * ogra_ hasnt seen any weird hacks that would require
[16:07] <Neko> they're in ubiquity.. some sort of "move flash kernel out of the way, then install the right kernel, then put flash kernel back, then install uboot-tools and so on which triggers update-initramfs" hacks to make flash-kernel run only once on install
[16:07] <ogra_> adding a huge amount of complexity that isnt needed imho is not really what i was after when filing my bug
[16:07] <ogra_> that bit will not change at all
[16:07] <ogra_> the flash-kernel-installer wont be touched ... it is for doing the initial setup, nothing else
[16:08] <ogra_> the kernel postinst integration wont change that
[16:09] <ogra_> nor will the redesign of flash-kernel change the need to have an initial setup of the bootloader from the installer
[16:09] <Neko> if flash-kernel just worked exactly like update-initramfs (taking an updated ramfs and flashing it or prepping it, taking an updated kernel and flashing it or prepping it, update boot script, and a final "commit it all if not done already") so it can be run in stages and only flash individual parts.. and more importantly happen before update-notifier is called so the little red "you need to reboot" icon isn't shown
[16:09] <ogra_> what might change is that it will get as horridly complex as grubs setup is already
[16:09] <Neko> which relies on that, and the idea that kernel hooks are numbered like udev rules, sysctl rules, and everything else
[16:09] <Neko> alphabetical, filesystem sorted order is a terrible idea
[16:09] <ogra_> since we will mostlxy focus on moving flash-kernel to be treated similar
[16:10] <Neko> as long as that doesn't mean it's called zz-flash-kernel... :0
[16:10] <ogra_> and grub is a complex and ugly beast
[16:11] <ogra_> it will be called whatever is required
[16:11] <Neko> flogging a dead horse here aren't I
[16:11] <ogra_> we wont change initramfs-tools or the kernel postinst mechanism
[16:11] <ogra_> we will adjust flash-kernel to work with the existing implementations instead
[16:12] <Neko> no need to change the mechanism just the script names so you can standardize on what order things run without it being reliant on locale sort order and filesystem case sensitivity and all kinds of other possible freakish flags that apply to a directory listing of files
[16:12] <Neko> the same decision that was made for udev, sysctl, every other rules/hooks/triggers system on Debian and Ubuntu (and every other distro too..)
[16:12] <ogra_> well, then we will follow exactly that sheme
[16:13] <dcordes> lilstevie: pong
[16:13] <dcordes> Hi !
[16:14] <Neko> all it takes is like 50-update-initramfs, 90-flash-kernel-commit, 99-update-notifier (90-update-grub for x86...) instead of it having no explicit numerical ordering
[16:14] <lilstevie> dcordes: fixed usb :p
[16:16] <dcordes> lilstevie: what was the problem ?
[16:16] <Neko> and if you need to do it in steps and handle anything between certain standardized kernel hook numbering scheme, you can do it without trying to predict what letter other packages start the names of their hooks with
[16:16] <dcordes> lilstevie: I have been thinking about it a lot, your strange binary init etc
[16:16] <ogra_> Neko, initrd hooks have a builtin dependency system, no need for file ordering
[16:16] <Neko> sysctl.d has a quite well defined numbering for system things, user things, board specific weirdnesses...
[16:16] <lilstevie> dcordes: a param
[16:16] <dcordes> lilstevie: and how it would disabale usb
[16:16] <dcordes> lilstevie: CMDLINE ?
[16:16] <Neko> ogra, talking about kernel postinst hooks
[16:16] <lilstevie> dcordes: bootloader pram sets it
[16:16] <dcordes> and how does it pass it to the kernel? is it kernel commandline ?
[16:16] <Neko> I thought one of the things that got thought but dropped for Natty was "we want to get rid of initramfs because it's annoying, slows down boot, and AC100 doesn't have enough space for it anyway"
[16:16] <lilstevie> dcordes: we have this weird partition that has the params, when the kernel module gets loaded, it loads in usb state
[16:16] <ogra_> ac100 isnt officially supported
[16:17] <ogra_> and we wont get rid of initramfs
[16:17] <Neko> x86 and ARM already rely on the concept that the bootloader can understand a Linux filesystem and it would be rather weird to have a Linux kernel that could not read its root filesystem
[16:17] <dcordes> ogra_: what does it take to make it officially supported ?
[16:18] <Neko> wouldn't Toshiba have to ship an official Unlock Android tool so you can root it? :)
[16:18] <ogra_> dcordes, a contract with nvidia with either canonical or linaro i would guess
[16:18] <Neko> and then install any OS you like?
[16:18] <ogra_> dcordes, i plan to produce an unsupported community image in 11.10 though
[16:18] <lilstevie> dcordes: I also found out that the bootloader can boot the baseband, havent figured out how to make it do it though
[16:18] <dcordes> lilstevie: hm I don't know oyur SoC. in qsd8250 we have some cpu parameters we set in the bootloader. that is on a very low level, now kernel involved. I don't understand what role your usb bootloader parameters have
[16:19] <dcordes> lilstevie: what is your SoC anyway ?
[16:19] <lilstevie> hummingbird
[16:19] <ogra_> now that we have a proper kernel and many ac100 bits are mainlined
[16:19] <lilstevie> ogra_: heh that sounds nice
[16:19] <lilstevie> dcordes: the driver takes the param
[16:20] <lilstevie> dcordes: but i had to load the module that reads the params
[16:20] <dcordes> lilstevie: ok that's interesting. do you have a place to document all this ?
[16:21] <dcordes> lilstevie: I bet many could benefit from that
[16:21] <lilstevie> dcordes: kinda, I am trying to get a new place sorted out
[16:21] <lilstevie> I just started a twitter for the project :p
[16:23] <Neko> yerg, 200kb/s for a torrent download of natty? my life is over :(
[16:23] <Neko> excuse me while I go and kick the internet in the pants
[16:23] <dcordes> lilstevie: did you try unity-2d on galaxytab yet ?
[16:23] <lilstevie> dcordes: yes
[16:24] <dcordes> lilstevie: does it work well? any flickering ?
[16:26] <lilstevie> only problem I have with it is when I use gestures too many times my touch driver stops working correctly
[16:36] <dcordes> lilstevie: sounds good
[16:37] <dcordes> unity-2d flickering on htcleo (hd2) seems to be a device specific thing
[16:37] <dcordes> our framebuffer driver has room for improvement
[16:37] <lilstevie> my touch driver has room for improvement :p
[16:38] <dcordes> well congrats you have it working at all !
[16:39] <dcordes> I would be happy to further improvement hd2 multitouch support - with ginn I had some first success in maverick. but now I can't really go on due to the flicker problem
[16:39] <dcordes> I was looking to make use of the working mt in unity..
[16:42] <lilstevie> heh it is why I pushed the update button for natty
[16:45] <dcordes> the problem is there is nothing much I can do about it. personally I lack the capability to improve the driver
[16:46] <lilstevie> ah
[16:46] <dcordes> somebody was working on proper driver (xf86-video-msm) for our device
[16:46] <lilstevie> nice
[16:49] <dcordes> I even have a kernel binary with it
[16:50] <lilstevie> :o