[16:19] <theGrg> Armageddon turns out all I needed was --left-of :p
[16:26] <Armageddon> theGrg, yea
[16:26] <Armageddon> or grandr :p


[06:42] <sdakak> Will ubuntu mobile work on T-mobile Dash / HTC S620 / Excalibur? It doesn't have touchscreen
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[11:09] <K-Fox> hi
[11:09] <K-Fox> is it possible to install ubuntu-mobile on n800
[11:10] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ
[11:10] <dholbach> (from the topic)
[15:02]  * agoliveira -> lunch and bank
[15:25] <mjg59> lool: Cheese is mostly dealt with. I've come up with some hacky widget rearrangement to avoid the need for a new .ui file, but I'd like you to check it over once I'm done
[15:26] <lool> mjg59: Okay
[15:42] <mjg59> lool: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/cheese.diff
[15:43] <mjg59> lool: Urgh. Ignore the wscript_build hunk.
[15:55] <lool> mjg59: It seems really clean; nice work
[15:56] <lool> mjg59: So it only leaves the position of the photo list?
[15:56] <mjg59> lool: That gets shifted as well
[15:57] <lool> I mean it's #ifdefed on HILDON; what do you think of GConfing it?
[15:57] <mjg59> Oh, right. Hm.
[15:58] <lool> I think it's fine to send upstream as it
[15:58] <lool> is
[15:58] <mjg59> I'm not sure it would be terribly beneficial?
[15:58] <lool> It's just that I think the position of the photos are completely unrelated to hildon; just related to the orientation of your screen so to say
[15:58] <lool> But then this is only a suggestion; it's really fine like this
[15:59] <mjg59> On desktops, I think the default is fine
[15:59] <mjg59> It's really just an issue on space-restricted devices
[15:59] <lool> mjg59: Say we rotate the UI on the Q1
[15:59] <lool> And make it vertical when the device is rotated
[16:00] <mjg59> lool: At that point, I think cheese is the least of our concerns :)
[16:00] <lool> Haha
[16:00] <mjg59> My experience is that most hildon apps are heavily optimised for widescreen
[16:00] <lool> Well picture a Q1 turned the other way around ;)
[16:00] <lool> mjg59: Ok, nm then
[16:01] <lool> mjg59: I'd be happy to support inclusion of the patch when you send it upstream; can you ping me with the bug id when you have it?  :-)
[16:01] <mjg59> lool: #519548
[16:01] <lool> thanks
[17:57] <mjg59> lool: Ugh. hito seems to be in worse shape than I remembered
[18:04] <lool> mjg59: It should be in a good shape at the lib and openmoko levels
[18:04] <lool> mjg59: But the Gtk+ and Hildon ports are really completely obsolete upstream unfortunately
[18:05] <mjg59> lool: No, the library has no edit widget
[18:05] <mjg59> And the viewing widget is currently, well, failing to view
[18:08] <kdean06> What keyboard is being used on UME?
[18:11] <lool> mjg59: Ah; you can write<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get more information on this
[18:11] <lool> Or Ross Burton, but Ross told me to see with Thomas
[18:11] <mjg59> Yeah
[18:12] <lool> I was told I should really run the hito branch, but didn't actually try it out
[18:12] <mjg59> Right, it seems to be the future
[18:13] <lool> mjg59: Sorry for putting you on a half broken track then; hopefully it's just intermediate breakage
[18:13] <mjg59> But possibly in kind of the same way as concrete was the future
[18:14] <agoliveira> kdean06: What do you mean by "what keyboard"?
[18:14] <lool> I think I read about an hito branch for dates or tasks, but I can't locate one for either of the two
[18:15] <kdean06> agoliveira, I'm wondering what kind of on-screen keyboard is used in a default image of UME.
[18:15] <mjg59> I'm chatting to Thomas now
[18:15] <lool> Cool
[18:15] <lool> mjg59: If useful information comes out, I'm a taker -- as always  ;)
[18:16] <agoliveira> kdean06: IIRC, matchbox keyboard
[18:16] <kdean06> Oh, okay.
[18:16] <kdean06> Thank you.
[18:16] <agoliveira> My pleasure
[18:18]  * lool really wanders away for WE now; cheers!
[19:15] <GrueMaster> davidm: Ping
[19:16] <davidm> GrueMaster, how may I help you?
[19:17] <GrueMaster> Apparently, you put a private hardy build up on a wiki for Don Johnson?  I need to get that, but our rep for adding access is off-site until Monday.
[19:17] <GrueMaster> Is there any other way I can get that image?
[19:19] <davidm> Directly from Don, he has password access now.
[19:19] <davidm> And he has downloaded the files that are there
[19:19] <GrueMaster> I'll see if I can pry him out of his cube then.
[19:19] <GrueMaster> Thanks
[19:20] <davidm> We can get access accounts for anyone within Intel, if I have email today, by Monday morning your time accounts will be active.  Just have Don drop me a line.
[19:21] <davidm> GrueMaster, you are welcome
[19:21] <GrueMaster> They wanted me to start testing on it today.  I'll just harass Don.  I've already sent an email to our internal contact for account access.
[19:21] <davidm> GrueMaster, that build indeed has private things in it.
[19:21] <GrueMaster> ok.
[19:22] <davidm> The access to that private area is through me via Don
[19:22] <davidm> It's not the Intel/Canonical Wiki that we use for shared documentation
[19:22] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[19:22] <GrueMaster> I'll bug him then.
[19:22] <GrueMaster> Thanks.
[19:23] <davidm> You are welcome
[20:09] <sabotage> kyleN: ping


[06:17] <terramir> quick question what kind of arm horse power would you need for visual pattern recognition like as in face recognition just different
[23:09] <PRISMAdmin> clear
[23:10] <PRISMAdmin> Guys, how well does the ARM build of Ubuntu run on the nexus 10? I know that it runs fairly well on the Nexus 7 but what about the nexus 10? I cannot find any resource about it, prolly drowned by the whole Ubuntu Touch deal
[23:37] <twb> lilstevie: ping.  What's the status of current transformers?  My old TF101 just completely hung twice in a row for no obvious reason, so maybe it's time to upgrade.
[23:38] <twb> I noticed one in a store was running Windows, which makes me suspect it can't run linux at all


[18:59] <MinSys> 5 minutes until @home with jono bacon http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon


[08:13] <Adri2000> Unit193: re filezilla, not yet, but I'll try to have a look when I update the package :)
[08:44] <Unit193> Cool.


[05:30] <darkxst> bigon, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/gdm_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4.diff.gz
[05:31] <darkxst> you guys probably want those changes ;)
[05:36] <darkxst> ahoneybun, hi, finally back from my lack of internet, sorry I forget where you where at, build failures on something?
[07:06] <bigon> darkxst: thx :)
[07:07] <bigon> they are already in our svn I think, the systemd support for DM was been cooked by pitti and joss during our sprint last weekend
[08:19] <darkxst> bigon, right, I just stole pitti's work anyway ;) '
[08:32] <bigon> :)
[10:50] <mgedmin> upgraded to 3.12 from gnome3-staging; things seem fine
[10:50] <mgedmin> upgrade was a bit painful: gnome-settings-daemon-schemas 3.12 conflicts with unity-settings-daemon (which wants g-s-d-s << 3.10)
[10:51] <mgedmin> apt-get couldn't find reasonable solutions (either held a lot back or wanted to remove the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage); aptitude dist-upgrade found one (remove unity metapackage as well as unity-settings-daemon and unity-control-center)
[10:53] <mgedmin> tracker-extract keeps segfaulting (bug 1304129); it's hard to debug without debug symbols
[10:53] <darkxst> mgedmin, install the symbols then!
[10:53] <mgedmin> where can I find them?
[10:55] <mgedmin> this is tracker-extract 1.0.0-1ubuntu1~trusty1 from the ppa; so far I only found the -dbgsym packages for 0.16.2-1ubuntu4 from trusty/universe
[11:01] <ricotz> mgedmin, additionally add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu trusty main/debug"
[11:01] <mgedmin> ooh, main/debug?  does this exist for all PPAs?
[11:02] <ricotz> no, just for those which support it
[11:02] <mgedmin> is this documented somewhere?  my google failed
[11:02] <ricotz> not sure, but i dont think
[11:07] <darkxst> mgedmin, probably not documented but all gnome3-team ppa's support ddebs
[11:07] <darkxst> apport-retrace picks them up automatically, but otherwise as ricotz said you need to add main/debug
[11:08] <darkxst> mgedmin, we also have a retracer running (probably the only ppa with one) so if you submit crashes, they will get retraced ;)
[11:09] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1304129 did not get retraced
[11:10] <darkxst> mgedmin, yes it did, but coredump was invalid
[11:10] <mgedmin> maybe I should've allowed apport to submit a new bug instead of deciding it was a duplicate
[11:10] <mgedmin> "package libtracker-miner-1.0-0 does not exist, ignoring" seems to indicate that the retracer bot did not have the ppa enabled?
[11:11] <mgedmin> well, it was before the release...
[11:11] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1309073 might've been after
[11:12] <darkxst> mgedmin, occasionally retracer fumbles and things get blocked.... these things bit-rot fast ;(
[11:12] <mgedmin> anyway I've seen the segfault twice now in two days; with debug symbols available locally hopefully I'll get a full stacktrace tomorrow
[11:13] <darkxst> mgedmin, ok CC me on bug report once you can provide that
[11:14] <darkxst> mgedmin, also provided you don't need interactive debugging, apport-retrace works really well to analyse crash dumps ;)
[11:14] <mgedmin> hey, good idea
[11:15] <mgedmin> I still have the /var/crash/... file
[11:15] <darkxst> mgedmin, aka, click' examine locally' in the
[11:15] <darkxst>  apport pop-up
[11:15] <darkxst> (only shows if apport-retrace is installed though)
[11:16] <mgedmin> hm, but it already contains the (incomplete) stack trace
[11:16] <mgedmin> I see I don't have apport-retrace installed
[11:16] <darkxst> mgedmin, that was either bit-rot, or an invalid core-dump
[11:16] <darkxst> probably the first
[11:18] <darkxst> ricotz, so packaging branches? git or bzr?
[11:19] <darkxst> my preference would be for git, I still don't like bzr much!
[11:20] <mgedmin> stack trace produced by apport-retrace from the crash dump: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7358761/
[11:20] <ricotz> is there really a choice here?
[11:21] <ricotz> https://code.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team
[11:21] <darkxst> ricotz, also gdm in -staging will now boot off systemd ;)
[11:21] <ricotz> oh :)
[11:22] <ricotz> wasnt brave enough yet to switch
[11:22] <darkxst> ricotz, bzr merges are a huge pain when the branches are not aligned ;)
[11:23] <ricotz> hmm, so i guess you would prefer a github repo?
[11:24]  * mgedmin tries to figure out if pull-lp-source can fetch source packages from PPAs
[11:24] <darkxst> mgedmin, I don't think so
[11:24] <darkxst> use chdist
[11:25] <darkxst> ricotz, github would work
[11:33] <darkxst> mgedmin, please add that trace to a bug report, I am off for the night
[11:34] <mgedmin> darkxst, is it enough to link to the pastebin, or do you want an attachment?
[11:34] <darkxst> mgedmin, attach it, pastebin's tend to expire sometimes
[11:35] <darkxst> mgedmin, also `t a a bt full` can be nice if you can reproduce it ;)
[11:35] <mgedmin> oops, I forgot the 'full'
[11:36] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1304129/comments/7 seems pretty clear
[11:36] <mgedmin> now I'd like to find the upstream bug tracker
[11:38] <darkxst> b.g.i
[11:38] <darkxst> b.g.o
[11:38] <mgedmin> thanks
[11:38] <darkxst> but might already be fixed in tracker 1.0...
[11:39] <mgedmin> yup, it is fixed: https://github.com/GNOME/tracker/blob/master/src/libtracker-miner/tracker-decorator.c#L331
[11:40] <mgedmin> in https://github.com/GNOME/tracker/commit/a1efdb7691542c4a871b3bd4d0aefe6aa34012f8
[11:40] <mgedmin> 7 days ago
[11:41] <darkxst> mgedmin, ok link upstream bug to lp report
[11:41]  * darkxst has to run now
[11:41] <mgedmin> there was no upstream release with this fix
[11:42] <darkxst> mgedmin, and/or feel free to send through a debdiff with the patch added
[11:42] <mgedmin> ;)
[11:43] <ricotz> darkxst, ok, i would prefer one branch per cycle containing all packagings
[11:43] <ricotz> mgedmin, better get upstream to do a release ;)
[11:45] <darkxst> ricotz, right, I guess if we have trusty, utopic etc branches, can just cherry-pick relevent bits as needed
[11:46] <ricotz> mgedmin, ah, this wasnt even cherry picked to 1.0 yet
[11:46] <darkxst> ricotz, or maybe it really needs to be trusty-3.10, 3.12 etc ? gah anyway need to sleep
[11:46] <ricotz> darkxst, right, better gnome-3.10-trusty, gnome-3.12-trusty and so on ;)
[11:47] <ricotz> darkxst, ciao
[11:47] <darkxst> ricotz, night
[11:55] <ricotz> mgedmin, pushed tracker including that patch
[11:55] <mgedmin> \o/
[13:13] <majod> anyone running with efi partition?
[13:13] <majod> i have seriously long booting times and i think its because of that
[13:16] <majod> i have ultrafast boot enabled in bios. while i had win8.1, i saw post screen, then windows logo for 2 seconds and after that could enter my password...but now, i see post screen, then theres blank grey screen with dark grey border for about 5 seconds and PC is doing nothing...then it disappears to black screen and finally i see ssd working for another 5 seconds...only then i see login screen
[13:16] <majod> i wonder whats going on during the first grey image
[15:43] <weierophinney> is it possible to do a dist-upgrade from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu gnome?
[15:55] <xnox> weierophinney: install ubuntu-gnome, remove ubuntu-desktop, keep the difference.
[15:55] <xnox> weierophinney: some minor things might get stuck weird e.g. some gsettings et.al.
[15:56] <eurythmia> install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[15:58] <xnox> ah, yeah weierophinney ^
[15:59] <weierophinney> eurythmia: that's it? Really?
[15:59] <weierophinney> I assume I also need to do the PPA purge, correct?
[16:00] <eurythmia> weierophinney: that installs gnome, gdm, and all the standard stuff in the ubuntu gnome dist. You *can* remove ubuntu-desktop if you'd like, but it's not necessary.
[16:00] <weierophinney> cool -- looks like I can do that _now_, and then upgrade to 14.04 when done with that.
[16:00] <eurythmia> weierophinney: xnox's warning about some minor weirdness hanging around still stands though.
[16:01] <weierophinney> eurythmia: I figured. I've had minor wierdness since switching to gnome-shell a couple years ago anyways.
[16:01] <eurythmia> weierophinney: no need to do PPA purge ... ubuntu and ubuntu gnome *are* the same distro with different user interfaces.
[16:01] <weierophinney> I'm just hoping this will be _less_ wierdness. :)
[16:01] <holstein> weierophinney: could be due to ppa use.. try the default ubuntu packages
[16:01] <weierophinney> ah, okay.
[16:02] <weierophinney> rigt -- that's what I was getting at. I have the gnome3- ppa currently. I should purge that one?
[16:02] <holstein> weierophinney: you should keep in mind, if you have issues with it, you get support from the ppa maintainers.. otherwise, i would just try both
[16:03] <weierophinney> okay
[16:03] <weierophinney> excellent -- wasn't aware of the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage. That will be nice to try out.
[16:03] <weierophinney> Thanks, all!
[16:04] <holstein> if you are saying, i have always had issue with gnome, and always used the ppa, try the default repo packages.. at least you can get support from the larger ubuntu community
[16:05] <weierophinney> holstein: agreed, thx
[17:02] <SonikkuAmerica> darkxst: Good job cutting it down to 2 PPAs. Couldn't have done it better imho
[17:47] <majod> anyone can help me find out why booting my OS takes so long? :/
[17:52] <x-Na> Wild guess, one of your usb devices
[17:54] <x-Na> I had that problem, powered down my HP 1018 LaserJet and booted normally
[17:55] <x-Na> Then I noticed that hplip was again installed, which causes problems
[17:55] <majod> my only usb devices are keyboard and mouse...
[17:56] <majod> when i turn on my pc, after post screen it shows grey screen for about 5 seconds and do nothing...
[17:56] <majod> only after that i see my ssd working
[18:00] <x-Na> Ok, I did find a thread somewhere about the issue, do not know if there are bugs reported
[18:02] <[Ch4m3l30n]> majod: you might want to make a Boot Chart to see what's going on... http://www.bootchart.org/
[18:29] <majod> [Ch4m3l30n]: thanks, will try!


[00:13] <knightvoid> hi all
[03:14] <CaseyPC> Does anyone know how I can install eee-control on 11.04?
[03:18] <urlin2u> CaseyPC, please don't double post multiple channels.
[03:27] <r4y> How do I search through zip files for the name of a file within?
[08:07] <Space-Duck>  /j #php
[08:07] <Space-Duck> oops
[13:35] <democrezy> i am a new user .I install some updates from update manager in ubuntu 11.04 then software centre got disabled and also update manager was not responding.When i restarted ubuntu, keyboard was not detected and i had to reconnect keyboard cable.Then i reinstall ubuntu. Can anybody explain me what was the problem?
[13:38] <nlsthzn> democrezy, ouch... I suspect that the problem would have been easier to troubleshoot before you re-installed... now the problem has been erased basically so troubleshooting is impossible...
[13:38] <democrezy> but what was problem?
[13:39] <democrezy> i restarted 10 times but my keyboard was not detected????
[13:39] <Sidewinder1> democrezy, Did you perhaps have update Mgr, still running when you started Software Center?
[13:40] <democrezy> no, i restarted system 5-6 times and click on software centre icon but no response
[13:41] <democrezy> friend can u tell me why keyboard was not detected although mouse was detected?
[13:42] <Sidewinder1> democrezy, I'm sorry, I can't really trouble-shoot; as nlsthzn said, the reinstall will have erased any logs, error messages, etc. :-(
[13:44] <democrezy> Also i cannot add or remove icons from side dock in ubuntu 11.04.
[13:44] <democrezy> neither i can create shortcuts..
[13:45] <Sidewinder1> I use 10.04 so I can't address 11.04 specific issues, sorry.
[13:45] <nlsthzn> democrezy, as soon as an application is running you can right click the icon and click on "stay in launcher"
[13:45] <democrezy> 11.04 is similar to 10.04 almost...
[13:47] <nlsthzn> democrezy, nope... with 11.04 Ubuntu introduced Unity... which isn't present in 10.04
[13:47] <democrezy> How can i enhance visual effects?
[13:48] <democrezy> ya, but for a new user like me, it is of no use...
[13:55] <nlsthzn> democrezy, sorry I don't have more or better answers for you... but the unity interface is getting better and better, soon Ubuntu 11.10 will come (October) and it will be even more mature...
[13:56] <democrezy> ok thanks for support
[14:34] <Ptitrist> Hi
[14:34] <Ptitrist> Someone can help me please ?
[14:35] <Ptitrist> I can't use my terminal..
[16:24] <PDSmedia> how do I copy a file into a root subdirectory using the file browser vs terminal?
[16:30] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, Try, in terminal "gksudo nautilus" that will provide root priv. BE CAREFUL!
[16:36] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, Just curious, how did you make out?
[16:37] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1:  I'm working on it
[16:38] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, Please keep me updated; planning on loggin' off soon.
[16:40] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: b4 u go, I can't find a way to update open office by adding a software source
[16:40] <PDSmedia> I looked on the open office site and 3.3 is available as a deb file, but I rather add launchpad.net as a source
[16:41] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, Why not just use Synaptic? Or do you need a newer version.
[16:41] <Sidewinder1> Of Office, that is?
[16:44] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: is that another source server?
[16:44] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: I'm using open office 3.2 and want 3.3
[16:46] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, Synaptic is a package manager. If you're trying to upgrade packages beyond your current distro version; that's not supported and a bad idea. Unless you really knoe what you're doin'.
[16:46] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: now I see that Synaptic is a package manage on my system.  let me see if the newer version shows
[16:47] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, While we're at it, please pardon my typing skills, or lack thereof. :-)
[16:48] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: 3.3 is not showing
[16:49] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: the way I finally got Firefox updated was to add this source to my package manager
[16:49] <PDSmedia> http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu
[16:49] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, If it's 'not showing' you'll have to "go another path" which, as stated earlier can be somewhat tricky.
[16:50] <PDSmedia> sidewinder1: thanks
[16:50] <Sidewinder1> PDSmedia, I prefer LTS; therefore do not use PPAs...
[16:50] <Sidewinder1> 10.04 here.
[16:50] <Sidewinder1> My pleasure. :-)
[16:51] <Sidewinder1> Have a great day!
[17:25] <amartin> Hello. I have lost the ability to connect to my Ubuntu via SSH. I get "Network Error: Connection Refused. Any Suggestions?
[19:59] <earthling_> Anyone else having problems with Firefox 6 high memory usage?
[22:54] <leeanne> I am trying to clean up my system in order to facilitate updates.  when I go to terminal to run get clean, the system says :leeanne@leeanne:~$ apt-get clean
[22:54] <leeanne> E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[22:54] <leeanne> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[22:55] <leeanne> anyone able to assist?
[22:56] <philipballew> leeanne, i can help
[22:56] <leeanne> awesome thank you phillip
[22:56] <philipballew> when you see the terminal say permission dennied like that it is because you are not root
[22:57] <leeanne> what does root mean?
[22:57] <leeanne> I know in dos but not in linux...
[22:57] <philipballew> its super user
[22:57] <philipballew> you can become root in the terminal by typing sudo at the beginning of a comand
[22:57] <leeanne> or maybe how do I get in root would be better question
[22:57] <philipballew> *command
[22:58] <leeanne> hmmm...let me try quickly and see what happens...
[22:58] <philipballew> so i type sudo command i want to enter
[22:58] <philipballew> go for it :)
[22:58] <leeanne> I just get another command line,,leeanne@leeanne
[22:59] <escott> leeanne, and if a gui application complains that it doesnt haver permissions use gksudo instead of sudo
[22:59] <leeanne> no action appears to have happened..
[22:59] <philipballew> where did you hear about apt-get clean
[23:00] <philipballew> a guide?
[23:00] <leeanne> searched it
[23:00] <philipballew> if so its odd they didnt say sudo
[23:00] <leeanne> yes, tried to update and system advised to run sudo get clean
[23:00] <leeanne> did say sudo
[23:00] <philipballew> can you post what the error said when you update?
[23:00] <leeanne> but then I read about terminal and applications and did not realize what sudo meant
[23:00] <philipballew> or what else did it say
[23:00] <leeanne> posting now
[23:01]  * philipballew prepares for giant post he's gonna get yelled at for
[23:02] <leeanne> leeanne@leeanne:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[23:02] <leeanne> leeanne@leeanne:~$
[23:03] <leeanne> above it what displays using sudo
[23:03] <philipballew> no what was the error that told you to run that
[23:03] <leeanne> oh, the system cannot update, no room or memory or something
[23:03] <leeanne> which is confusing because it will add programs
[23:03] <leeanne> added this chat program no problem
[23:03] <leeanne> but not enough mem to add updates
[23:04] <escott> leeanne, when you install a package it downloads the install package but never deletes it until you apt-get clean
[23:04] <philipballew> ^ very true
[23:04] <leeanne> the problem I have it that it won
[23:04] <leeanne> will not let me get clean..ha ha
[23:05] <escott> leeanne, you can check your disk usage (and see how much free space you have) with "df -h" in the terminal. the absence of output from sudo apt-get clean means it was successful, but its unclear what if any free space you got for that action
[23:05] <leeanne> ees verboten=
[23:05] <philipballew> maybe it did clean. and not show output. mine never shows output
[23:05] <leeanne> really?  I guess I am used to script in dos
[23:05] <philipballew> good ol' dos
[23:06] <escott> leeanne, apt-get autoclean will print out the names of the files it preserves, but no good reason to print out the files you just deleted
[23:06] <escott> leeanne, you can check if a command succeed by running "echo $?" immediately after it finishes. a 0 indicates success
[23:06] <leeanne> ok, thank you so much, I will try to update and see what happens.  i did try the df-h but terminal does not recognize...
[23:07] <escott> leeanne, df[space]-h
[23:08] <leeanne> df h gets this
[23:08] <leeanne> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[23:08] <leeanne> /dev/sda2             3.4G  3.1G  135M  96% /
[23:08] <leeanne> varrun                247M  100K  247M   1% /var/run
[23:08] <leeanne> varlock               247M     0  247M   0% /var/lock
[23:08] <leeanne> udev                  247M   36K  247M   1% /dev
[23:08] <leeanne> devshm                247M     0  247M   0% /dev/shm
[23:08] <leeanne> lrm                   247M  1.9M  245M   1% /lib/modules/2.6.24-24-lpia/volatile
[23:08] <leeanne> gvfs-fuse-daemon      3.4G  3.1G  135M  96% /home/leeanne/.gvfs
[23:09] <leeanne> thank you phillip!
[23:09] <escott> leeanne, /dev/sda2 (your systems main filesystem) is very small. if possible you should make it bigger
[23:09] <leeanne> as in add sticks?
[23:09] <leeanne> I use a netbook
[23:09] <leeanne> try to keep my stuff on thumbs
[23:10] <escott> the one thing you can do, is put any non-critical system files on a USB stick and use fstab to map them into the location you want
[23:11] <leeanne> sorry escott..but what is fstab? :)
[23:11] <escott> but certainly avoid keeping music or large graphics files (games) on that system, with only 3.4Gb you want a very lean installation
[23:11] <escott> so unlike DOS unix does not have drive letters
[23:12] <escott> instead the storage devices are attached to the existing tree
[23:12] <leeanne> ok,makes sense
[23:12] <escott> so /dev/sda2 is your / partition
[23:12] <leeanne> ahh.  interesting
[23:12] <escott> and you can attach a usb stick into another location like /media/music
[23:12] <escott> fstab is the file that controls the default location of those attachment points
[23:13] <escott> there are some files like say /usb/share/games which are not required to boot or get a functional system
[23:13] <leeanne> i think i get it
[23:13] <leeanne> which kinda scares me.
[23:13] <leeanne> ha ha
[23:13] <escott> you could put those on an external usb, and add an entry that attaches a USB identified by a partiticular UUID to that location
[23:14] <leeanne> I will try to do so.  I tend to stay away from managing the system because i find it confusing, but you explain well.  have reached a point where I cannot ignore anylonger...
[23:14] <leeanne> thanks so very much.  I bravely dive into Unbuntu...Linux...YIKES
[23:15] <leeanne> have a great day...from Alaska!
[23:15] <escott> you too


[07:11] <zequence> OvenWerks: I suppose we should implement the "extra" feature into ubuntustudio-installer instead.
[07:11] <zequence> Right, I think you said that.
[07:12] <zequence> You are free to try things out, of course.
[07:13] <zequence> There may be a lot less .desktop files for us to handle than I'm figuring, but would be nice to have a scope of the whole thing when working with the menu
[08:07] <zequence> Well, downloading and installing the entire sound section in the repo now :)
[08:08] <zequence> Only 2GB of added space on top of the existing Ubuntu Studio installation
[12:38] <OvenWerks> zequence: most of it must be rosegarden... or it's manual
[13:19] <zequence> OvenWerks: lol
[13:19] <zequence> The graphics section was a bit larger. Perhaps 3GB of added space
[13:20] <zequence> Video, by far the smallest
[13:21] <zequence> Might have been around 300MB
[13:21] <zequence> The whole amount of desktop files will still be above 500 I think
[13:21] <zequence> Or, maybe not. But around that figure
[13:24] <OvenWerks> Thats a lot. Are all of them usable applications?
[13:25] <OvenWerks> Have you taken out oss only apps?
[13:35]  * OvenWerks is off to work
[13:50] <zequence> I'm only looking at the desktop files atm.
[13:54] <zequence> Don't know how I could make a script know if it was oss only
[20:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: probably depends of the src would tell you if it was oss only. (shouldn't need to download even)


[00:46] <infinity> xnox: Those tasks are added by a script that the security team uses to track CVEs.  They tend to prefer if others don't touch them. :P
[00:47] <infinity> xnox: Also, we maintain some kernels upstream (3.13, 3.16, 3.19, 4.2), and we absolutely apply CVE fixes for arches we don't ship in our upstream stable trees.
[00:47] <infinity> xnox: (Not everything is about contracts)
[01:14] <xnox> infinity, oh.
[01:14] <xnox> sbeattie, in that case i probably did more harm than good.
[01:16] <xnox> sbeattie, i'm sorry if i messed things up.
[06:47] <sbeattie> xnox: yeah, sorry, script on autopilot. I don't think you did any harm (well, it'll gripe at me about the deleted tasks, but that just means it goes on a list of other bugs that have the same issue)
[11:43] <xnox> =/
[12:10] <tjaalton> is there a known issue with the keyboard getting stuck on resume?
[12:11] <tjaalton> hmm, maybe it's just with my test versions.. I blame libinput
[12:23] <apw> tjaalton, not seen that here
[12:24] <tjaalton> i have that on two systems, it's actually hard to resume if it's suspended by hotkey.. since it keeps suspending a number of times
[12:24] <tjaalton> and that then seems to break iwlwifi, nice
[12:24] <apw> tjaalton, sounds about right to me :)
[12:24] <tjaalton> i really don't understand those who demand intel wifi.. it's been nothing but crap on all my systems
[12:26] <apw> tjaalton, but at least it is open source crap ... i have much worse experiences with things that needed wl
[12:26] <tjaalton> that's true, but then there's the fw component too
[12:26] <apw> yep, we get regular updates for iwlfw, it is clearly a work in progress
[12:27] <apw> and if you are holding the suspend button down, i am sure that is ripping and reinstalling and ripping the h/w out every time
[12:27] <apw> which is bound to push the races in teh driver to their limit
[12:28] <tjaalton> right, iwlwifi seems to crap itself on it's own though, after a few cycles. but then again this is intel sdp so all bets are off as always
[12:34] <apw> and that
[14:56] <netikras> Hello boys
[14:56] <netikras> Is this the right channel for queries regd http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[14:58] <netikras> Whichever 4.x version I try to install (.deb), I get a few error messages: due to -Werror virtualbox-client and ndiswrapper fail to install
[15:04] <netikras> I can dump logs here or I could fill-in a bug report. I just can't find where to register a new bug.....
[16:02] <apw> nelhage, those are mainline kernels, they are for testing only, it is highly likely they are ahead of teh supported versions in dkms packages ...
[16:39] <kernelbug> Could someone do a bisection between 3.18.26 and .27 ?????
[16:39] <kernelbug> I think I found a bug.
[16:39] <kernelbug> I use Mint and .27 hangs on the logo screen, .26 works fine.
[16:41] <kernelbug> http://expirebox.com/download/b57059eb53fedc4d8fd6f85da506a242.html
[16:41] <kernelbug> Here are the dmesg files.
[16:41] <kernelbug> I guess they won't help but anyway.
[16:46] <kernelbug> Am I in a wrong channel?
[16:47] <ogra_> for mint questions ? perhaps ...
[16:47] <kernelbug> I'm using Ubuntu mainline kernel!
[16:47] <kernelbug> FFS!
[16:47] <ogra_> mainline ?
[16:47] <ogra_> or ubuntu ?
[16:47] <mamarley> I think there may be a regression in suspend functionality for the Thinkpad T530 between Wily and Xenial.  On Wily, suspend works great but on Xenial if I suspend more that two times, it hangs while suspending.  I am about to try the 4.2 mainline kernel on Xenial and see if that makes a difference.
[16:47] <kernelbug> These... http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:47] <ogra_> (the mainline build is completely unsupported ... )
[16:48] <ogra_> (it is just to verify bugs)
[16:48] <kernelbug> Hehheh...
[16:48] <kernelbug> I need to verify a bug then. :)
[16:48] <ogra_> also pleaae watch your language
[16:49] <kernelbug> What language? Check all the three-letter acronyms and their meanings... :)
[16:49] <ogra_> against which ubuntu kernel are you verifying ?
[16:50] <kernelbug> Between 3.18.26 and 3.18.27... .27 is which fails.
[16:50] <ogra_> there is no ubuntu version in that list
[16:50] <ogra_> you seem to compare one mainline build against another ?
[16:51] <kernelbug> Yes.
[16:51] <kernelbug> I use mainline kernels in Mint.
[16:51] <ogra_> yes, you said so ...
[16:51] <apw> why 3.18 of all versions ?
[16:51] <kernelbug> They won't support those kernels either. ;)
[16:51] <ogra_> and i said mainline kernels are not supported ... they exist to veryfy bugs against the ubuntu kernels
[16:52] <kernelbug> I prefer stability.
[16:52] <kernelbug> 3.18 is LTS anyway.
[16:53] <kernelbug> That's another selling point for me. :)
[16:53] <apw> why not use an ubuntu kernle which is an lts
[16:53] <kernelbug> I'm using Mint.
[16:53] <apw> and mint uses ubuntu kernels right ?
[16:53] <kernelbug> It's a modified Ubuntu kernel anyway.
[16:53] <kernelbug> Yes, slightly modifies ones.
[16:53] <ogra_> apw, i dont think tehy do ...
[16:53] <kernelbug> Yes they do.
[16:53] <ogra_> they hack them up like theyy hack up half of the libs (while keeping versions and sonames)
[16:54] <kernelbug> ogra don't ruin this conversation
[16:54] <kernelbug> you are not very helpful
[16:54] <kernelbug> go to hockey game if you want brainless entertainment :)
[16:55] <ogra_> kernelbug, this channnel is about ubuntu kernels ... you came here, cursing and trolling about stability to get support with a mainline build that isnt supported, what do you expect ?
[16:56] <kernelbug> I need your help with the bisection.
[16:58] <kernelbug> In other words how to do a git-bisect to generate Ubuntu mainline kernels to test bugs ?????
[16:58] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBisection
[16:59] <kernelbug> OK.
[16:59] <apw> kernelbug, you need to pull the .config out of your current version and use that to build kernels using those two tags as bisect end points
[16:59] <kernelbug> Maybe it's "userspace" issue though.
[17:00] <kernelbug> apw, OK. :)
[17:00] <kernelbug> Lots of work anyway.
[17:00] <kernelbug> I'm already burning out.
[17:00] <kernelbug> I'm too old for this shit! ;)
[17:01] <kernelbug> Gotta talk with the Mint folks now.
[17:01] <kernelbug> Sorry. ;)
[17:01] <ogra_> (they will probably tell you to use a mint kernel :) ... you are kind of between the worlds)
[17:02] <mamarley> Looks like I am going to have to bisect a kernel too.  Mainline 4.2.8 (and Wily 4.2) has working suspend support on my T530, but Xenial 4.4 has broken suspend support.  Now I shall try 4.3...
[17:02] <kernelbug> ogra_ yeah...
[17:03] <kernelbug> Like a child from a dysfunctional family, which I am...
[17:05] <apw> mamarley, if that is an ubuntu kernel you should file a bug, and someone will likely be able help
[17:08] <mamarley> apw: I will once I isolate when it was introduced a bit more.  I am about to try 4.3 to see if the bug was introduced in 4.3 or 4.4.
[17:09] <apw> sounds good.  let us know the bug# here when you do
[17:09] <mamarley> Sure.  I don't need someone to build the kernels for me though; I have a pretty beefy box that I can do it on.
[17:12] <mamarley> I suppose I should probably try the 4.4 mainline kernel as well so I can figure out if the regression was introduced by something backported from 4.5.
[17:12] <apw> mamarley, if you are able to do it yourself, all the better
[17:12] <mamarley> It wouldn'
[17:12] <mamarley> t be the first time :)
[17:13] <kernelbug> apw, you could help me too...
[17:13] <kernelbug> apw, even if it's mainline ;(
[17:13] <apw> it wouldn't be me, it would be someone who does those kinds of things when he finds bugs to work on
[17:20] <mamarley> The regression is definitely between 4.3 and 4.4 in mainline.
[17:20] <kernelbug> mamarley, we have similar problems.
[17:21] <mamarley> kernelbug: No, we do not.  Your login screen fails to display, my laptop fails to suspend.  I am running 4.4, you are running 3.18.  I am running Ubuntu Xenial, you are running Mint.
[17:21] <kernelbug> mamarley, how can you know?
[17:22] <kernelbug> mamarley, maybe the same bug applies to 4.4. :)
[17:22] <mamarley> The only similarity between our problems is that both require a bisect.
[17:22] <kernelbug> hehe
[17:23] <kernelbug> bisection sounds brutal
[17:36] <mamarley> It isn't fun.
[18:06] <mck182> hi, I wanted to give a try to the latest mainline kernel to debug some issues I have with suspend, but it appears that installing it fails on compiling i915 dkms - http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416510/ - I'm not entirely sure how to proceed from here - is there any way to fix that issue?
[18:08] <apw> mck182, it is common for mainline kernels beyond ubuntu devleopment versions to break dkms packages and those won't get updated until the kernel moves forward in YY most likley
[18:08] <mck182> ah
[18:08] <mck182> apw: so no way for me to test the latest kernel until the intel driver is available for YY?
[18:09] <apw> depends what the dkms package is
[18:09] <mck182> I don't even know tbh
[18:09] <apw> then you might not be using it
[18:09] <apw> it might be cruft
[18:09] <mck182> I do have it loaded, I would assume it's the graphics driver
[18:12] <apw> mck182, hmm, that is an i915 driver ... i have literally no idea where that has come from
[18:12] <apw> mck182, can you tell me the package name ?
[18:13] <apw> though i would say you don't need it with later kernels ... probaballyu
[18:13] <mck182> apw: which package? the kernel? or the dkms?
[18:13] <apw> the dkms package which is exploding, i assume it has i915 in its name
[18:13] <mck182> apw: i915-4.0.4-3.19-dkms
[18:13]  * mck182 looks for where it came from
[18:14] <apw> so i'd say that is redundant with any kernel after 3.19, but its not an archive package as far as i know
[18:15] <apw> is this a dell by any chance ?
[18:15] <mck182> apw: ah, then it may have come from the intel-linux-driver-installer thing...or the xorg-edgers
[18:15] <mck182> apw: no, macbook pro
[18:15] <apw> tjaalton, is thatone of yours ^ ?
[18:15] <apw> mck182, it has to be very old compared to xenial and later kernels
[18:15] <apw> so i would just rip it for those
[18:15] <tjaalton> no intel provided dkms's at one point
[18:15] <mck182> apw: I'm runing wily fwiw
[18:16] <apw> tjaalton, they did?  woh, how do i not know this ... :/
[18:16] <tjaalton> ignorance is bliss
[18:16] <apw> tjaalton, are they in a PPA somewhere or off in intel.com somewhere
[18:16] <tjaalton> 01.org
[18:16] <tjaalton> their quarterly stack
[18:16] <apw> ugg
[18:17] <mck182> so, if I reboot into the newly installed mainline kernel (4.5), I should be fine without that dkms?
[18:17] <mck182> actually
[18:17] <mck182> that error I posted above is related only to the dkms, not the kernel itself, right?
[18:17] <apw> i'd say anything above 3.19 from the name
[18:17] <apw> looks to be yes
[18:17] <mck182> alright
[18:18] <mck182> well I'll just try :)
[18:18]  * mck182 reboots
[18:19] <tjaalton> looks like they still ship a dkms.. https://download.01.org/gfx/ubuntu/15.10/main/pool/main/i/
[18:20] <mck182> hah, yeah, it works without any problem :)
[18:24] <apw> tjaalton, i thought we were sorting that for them via the i915_bpo nightmare we are carrying in everything
[18:25] <tjaalton> they have this DIY-thing for users
[18:26] <tjaalton> and we're doing this for oem's not intel
[18:26]  * mck182 still has a wonky suspend...so much for trying newer kernel
[18:27]  * mck182 still has a wonky suspend...so much for trying newer kernel
[18:27] <apw> mck182, 100% wonkey or randomly so
[18:27] <mck182> apw: no change from the stock ubuntu kernel; my laptop wakes up after 4 seconds of suspend
[18:27] <mck182> is there any way to get the wakeup reason?
[18:28] <mck182> I'd like to know what is causing the wakeup
[18:28] <apw> mck182, there might be info in the order of the words in the dmesg output
[18:28] <apw> mck182, i would check the rtc alarm
[18:28] <apw> windows tends to set that to wake up the machine now and again so it an check the battery and make it hibernate harder
[18:28] <mck182> apw: there's nothing :S I also tried the pm_trace, but that hangs the wakeup altogether and says /base/power/main
[18:30] <mck182> the only interesting thing from dmesg is "xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: System wakeup enabled by ACPI" when suspending
[18:31] <mck182> which is in line with /proc/acpi/wakeup
[18:31] <mck182> but I have no devices connected to this laptop
[18:31] <mck182> so must be something internal
[18:34] <apw> what does the rtc alarm say
[18:35] <mck182> apw: that's /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm right?
[18:35] <apw> that sounds believeable, i think you can cat it
[18:36] <mck182> apw: so that's empty
[18:36] <apw> likely not that then
[18:37] <mck182> well then there's /proc/driver/rtc
[18:37] <mck182> which has some stuff http://paste.ubuntu.com/15416793/
[18:38] <mck182> but I've no idea what that means or if it's relevant
[18:40] <mck182> also, rtcwake -m show says "alarm: off"
[18:40] <apw> that sounds definative to me
[18:41] <mck182> unless it is set by something at suspend time
[18:41] <mck182> which would be strange
[18:46] <mck182> disabling the XHC1 wakeup disables the open-lid-wakeup -.-
[18:46]  * mck182 wonders how did apple design this thing
[18:46] <apw> with as little h/w as possible to make it cheap
[18:51] <mck182> looks like this bug btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1391476
[18:52] <apw> mck182, sounds liek there is at least something to try in there
[18:53] <apw> mck182, the echo thing, if that works then you could encode that in the pmsuspend world somewhere i am sure
[18:53] <mck182> apw: yeah it suggests disabling XHC1 from wakeup
[18:53] <apw> which sounds rather similar to your problem
[18:53] <mck182> apw: but as I sad above, that also breaks lid-open wakeup for me ( ._.)
[18:53] <apw> well presumably you open lid and hit function and win
[18:54] <apw> or app or whatever dumb name the clover-leaf is called
[18:54] <apw> but it may well be a programming the h/w problem, a problem that is hard to fix because the h/w is undocumented
[18:54] <mck182> indeed
[18:54] <apw> delbieratly by apple to make sure their own os is better
[18:54] <mck182> although disabling the XHC1 also disables keyboard wakup
[18:55] <mck182> so the only way is to hit the power button...no big deal but...
[18:56] <apw> its prolly the touchpad, the screen touching it and waking the machine
[18:56] <apw> you prolly have to turn the touchpad off somehow, and not the keyboard
[18:56] <mck182> hmmm
[18:56] <apw> to get the mac behaviour
[18:56] <apw> but they are renound for randomness, like to use the SD card slot
[18:57] <apw> you have to power up the phy for the ethernet
[18:57] <mck182> lemme test suspending without the lid closed and pressing the touchpad if that actually wakes it
[18:57] <apw> good idea
[18:58] <mck182> well, didn't even have to get close to the touchpad, it wakes up all on its own without touching anything
[18:59] <apw> not that then, but to be honest you are likely to never have a fix for that unless someone gets epically lucky
[18:59] <mck182> yeah, I guess
[19:00] <apw> such is the fate of those who buy macs :(
[19:00] <apw> shame they are so nice
[19:00] <mck182> well fwiw I do have a 2011 mac as well and that one works 140% great
[19:00] <mck182> but true, they did design these new ones from scratch
[19:01] <apw> the only way to keep ahead of linux :)
[19:01] <mck182> heh
[19:01] <mamarley> I don't even consider them nice.  They are impossible to work on and have everything soldered down on the mobo.
[19:02] <mck182> the latter is a real downside, but working on them...never had a problem really
[19:02] <mck182> and the touchpad is awesome
[19:06] <mamarley> Kernel bisection sucks.  This is going to take all weekend. :/
[19:06] <apw> mamarley, that sounds about right, builds are not quick
[19:06] <apw> even with an enormous hoover
[19:07]  * mamarley has an i5-6600K box with an SSD.
[19:07] <mamarley> It can definitely heat up the room when I compile stuff.  I am glad I am not actually there right now. :)
[19:09] <apw> mamarley, how long does a build take ...
[19:09] <mamarley> apw: Not sure, my last one got interrupted because the terminal application crashed.  I am measuring this one.  I will try -j8 instead of -j4 on the next one and see if that makes a difference.
[19:10] <apw> mck182, i've moved that bug back to Confirmed as you asre still seeing it
[19:10] <apw> mck182, feel free to add some info there
[19:10] <mck182> apw: yeah, the mainline 4.5.0 kernel definitely still has it
[19:10] <mck182> I can share my findings in there, sure
[19:10] <mck182> if I can remember my login... :P
[19:13] <mck182> ok done
[19:41] <martink3> tested the latest xenial iso on a file server featuring a ARC1882 RAID controller - got weird timeout issues.
[19:42] <martink3> Found out that mailine 4.4 features a buggy arcmsr driver, which "supports" the 1882, but not really... Areca seems to have managed to get a fixed driver into mainline 4.5
[19:44] <martink3> any chance that the xenial kernel could backport that driver before release? what is the policy for that? it seems to be a small patch on arcmsr.h and arcmsr_hba.c ...
[19:45] <apw> martink3, file a bug against the linux package, and put the infomration and proposed patches in there, and let me know the bug # here, and i'll get someone to make formal test kernel and if that works we can submit the patches for inclusion
[19:46] <martink3> will do tonight, thx!
[19:46] <mamarley> apw: This build took 43m4.491s, though a good half of that it spent building the -dbg package.
[19:46] <mamarley> Is there perhaps some way I can tell it not to build that particular package?
[19:48] <apw> yep do_debug=false or something grep for debug in debian/rules
[19:48] <mamarley> OK, thanks!
[19:49] <mamarley> Except there is no debian/rules here, I am building the mainline kernel with deb-pkg...
[19:50] <mamarley> Wait nevermind, there is a debian directory.
[19:51] <mamarley> But it is very minimalistic and doesn't have anything about debug in it.
[19:52] <mamarley> It doesn't really matter.  -dbg is the last thing it builds, so I can just kill it after it builds the packages I actually need.
[20:01] <apw> ahh ok


[10:41] <cmaloney> mornin
[11:03] <brousch_> Syrup
[11:04] <brousch_> Fucking autocorrect
[11:23] <cmaloney> I like syrup
[13:11] <_stink_> mmm
[14:21] <cmaloney> morning pt 2
[14:22] <rick_h_> wheee
[14:22] <cmaloney> how's the morning?
[14:25]  * rick_h_ is cranky today for some unknown reason
[14:43] <cmaloney> SOrry to hear that. :(
[14:44] <jrwren> rick_h_: juju 2.0 release anticlimactic?
[14:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: not sure
[14:47] <cmaloney> Thought there's be more to it?
[14:48] <rick_h_> think I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today
[14:49] <cmaloney> That's understandable
[14:49] <cmaloney> If you want someone to talk to feel free to ping me
[14:49]  * cmaloney is sitting at SChoolcraft waiting for JoDee's class to finish
[16:38] <greg-g> Syrup
[16:38] <cmaloney> it's what's for dinner
[16:38] <jrwren> its friday friday gotta get down
[16:38] <greg-g> Oh, she teaches at Schoolcraft too? or now? or?
[16:38] <greg-g> jrwren: which seat do I take?
[16:38] <cmaloney> In addition
[16:39] <cmaloney> Become an adjunct teacher. See the world. Drive to it for no money.
[16:39] <greg-g> heh, yuuuup
[16:40] <cmaloney> brb


[06:09] <kasime> Xubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso has an error where the installation process stops at "Unpacking Chromium-Browser (AMD64)" and then fails to continue.
[15:24] <vera> Привет


[09:26] <elacheche> Hello Kilos !! How are you doing sir!
[09:26] <Kilos> hi elacheche and all of africa, i am ok still ty. hope you are all well
[09:27] <elacheche> I'am alive \o/ :D
[09:27] <elacheche> How is your health?
[09:28] <Kilos> still waiting for a bypass op, but not too bad ty. hows things by you?
[09:34] <elacheche> Good luck!! I'm good, too much stress @ work.. Things aren't good @work.. Everything else is good :)


[00:05] <qwetrtyur> Life is not a game, life is very serious. https://vimeo.com/146271765
[00:18] <Reece> Xubuntu rocks
[00:33] <craigbass76> I keep having trouble with browsers (ff, chrome, and chromium -- haven't tested much with Vivaldi yet) going crazy as far as system resources go. Is this something you all are also experiencing, or just me? I leave a browser open for a while, and then BOOM! Top is showing a load average of 4 or 5, and the guilty party is a browser.
[00:34] <craigbass76> I'm wondering if it's the ads so many sites are showing now
[01:25] <rfleming> Greetings
[01:34] <subscious> hello I am trying to install google chrome as downloaded from google.com. The *.deb file opens the Software app but the install button only shows a blue progressbar for short after clicking and then resets. What is the problem?
[01:39] <rfleming> GNOME Software is broken
[01:39] <rfleming> it is a known issue.
[01:40] <rfleming> You can either do it through the command line via dpkg -i
[01:40] <rfleming> or install gdebi and through there
[01:41] <rfleming> subscious, if you do use dpkg -i, you will need to run `sudo apt-get -f install` to install the missing dependencies.
[01:42] <rfleming> subscious, as to detail the problem, for whichever reason GNOME Software neglects to prompt you for your credentials to gain the privileges to install Google Chrome, so it starts the install, then silently errors out and resets.
[01:42] <subscious> thanks rfleming
[01:43] <Unit193> In theory one can also do  sudo apt install /path/to/package.deb
[01:43] <rfleming> at least I think it silently errors out as I can't find a log
[01:44] <rfleming> Alright.  It's time to make some popcorn, and go watch Bridge of Spies with the wifey.  Kids are asleep.
[01:44] <rfleming> ttyal.
[01:45] <rfleming> subscious, good luck getting your new system up! :)
[01:46] <subscious> rfleming thanks again. I'm going forward quite fast I think. gdebi did the job. will have to learn using dpkg -i some other time
[01:48] <squinty> subscious,  imho, better to use gdebi... it checks to see that all dependancies are satisfied.
[01:56] <detoya> I'd like to start using 16.04 but I've grown accustomed to the bugs in 14.04 ... what do I need to know about upgrading?
[01:56] <detoya> like how often do I need to restart the desktop to keep it usable?
[01:57] <subscious> detoya: I just installe 16.04 and had a pleasant ride so far. Only bug was software center not beeing able to install deb files and some renaming of repositorys
[01:57] <Unit193> !notes
[01:57] <detoya> Does nm-applet make an icon in the notification area?
[01:58] <Unit193> detoya: It's a good idea to backup data, but you can try Xenial live too if you wish.
[01:58] <subscious> detoya: Why don't you give the live cd a try you can see those things there
[01:58] <detoya> I tried the livecd version of 14.04 before upgrading from 12.04 and it seemed stable too lol
[01:58] <subscious> it's a stable release after al
[01:58] <subscious> *all
[01:58] <detoya> just would like some answers from people who are using a living breathing installation :-)
[01:59] <detoya> 14.04 has never been stable, I've had to restart it 3-4 times a day
[01:59] <subscious> detoya: I am using it now for about 2 hours just installing stuff and giving netflix with google chrome a test just now
[01:59] <detoya> talking about XFCE... gnome and kde and fluxbox were stable but I don't like them.
[02:00] <subscious> gnome was discontinued last I checked
[02:00] <Unit193> Weird, but there's Xfce 4.12 in Xenial.
[02:00] <Unit193> No, GNOME3 is still alive and strong.
[02:00] <detoya> XFCE notification area wouldn't show icons for many apps
[02:00] <detoya> panel would stop hiding
[02:00] <subscious> Oh. it was gnome2 then. didn't like the remodel of GNOME3. bummer
[02:01] <detoya> so can any of you get nm-applet to show connection icon in 16.04?
[02:01] <Unit193> detoya: As far as your problems, did you try a guest session?
[02:01] <Unit193> nm-applet works fine.
[02:01] <detoya> I tried rm-rf /home
[02:02] <detoya> how about suspend from the session menu?
[02:03] <detoya> does suspend work or do you gotta do it manually from shell?
[02:04] <detoya> for me in 14.04 it works sometimes, other times it just locks up the desktop session.
[02:04] <detoya> then I gotta CTRL-ALT-F1 log in and HUP xorg
[02:05] <squinty> detoya,  just out of curiosity why "rm -rf /home"
[02:05] <detoya> to make sure no user config is interfering with the desktop.
[02:05] <detoya> even the guest has some residual config lol
[02:06] <squinty> detoya,  that would have wiped out every setting for every user on your box
[02:06] <detoya> but to answer the question guest didn't work any better
[02:06] <detoya> only if you didn't have a cron making regular rsync backups ;-)
[02:07] <squinty> detoya,  ok just making sure  :)
[02:07] <detoya> and it's a laptop, there's no multiple users
[02:07] <squinty> detoya,  there is on mine laptops   backup admin users for emergencies
[02:08] <detoya> But speaking of that, does opening a guest session from a live dekstop work in 16.04?  It never worked in XFCE in 14.04 for me
[02:08] <detoya> worked fine with Unity and KDE, but not XFCE
[02:09] <detoya> I know I sound like I hate XFCE but actually I love it, I'm just intimate with its failings
[02:09] <detoya> kinda like how you know the many things you should not trust your husband to do right lol
[02:10] <Unit193> I never used guest, but I don't believe I had a lot of the problems you did.  I know indicators were a bit quirky at some point, but much better here.
[02:10] <detoya> being able to have nm-applet icon is a big deal for me...
[02:10] <detoya> the only way I could get it was ssh -X root@localhost nm-applet
[02:11] <Unit193> Sounds like your indicators are messed up.
[02:11] <detoya> which is ludicrous
[02:17] <detoya> sometimes skype would not show up, some software like winswitch I could never get to work with XFCE at all
[02:18] <detoya> anyhow what I'm hearing is that you're not having those issues with latest so I'll give it a try
[02:19] <detoya> maybe I should just update the repos to Xenial, install xfce4 packages and see how it goes then I can roll back if need be.
[02:20] <detoya> like the good old days running Sarge and running kde 3.12 from testing lol
[04:02] <xubuntu18w> whats best way to do a upgrade to 16.04 lts release, from 14.04?
[04:03] <xangua> Force upgrade, wait for 16.04 first point release, grab the ISO and upgrade with it
[07:33] <xubuntu70w> Hi, I'm having problem with my wifi. Its working with my 12.04 installation. Hardware switch(Fn + F2) not turing it on.
[07:33] <xubuntu70w> Here is some outputs of network related command. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16199466/
[09:26] <xubuntu08i> hi
[09:28] <xubuntu08i> @ all    ^
[11:03] <xubuntu89i> Hello, trying to install Xubuntu - the live version works great. Once install finished however, my computer attempted to boot and I was shown the message 'No Boot device found'. Any ideas?
[11:03] <xubuntu89i> I'm currently reinstalling as we speak
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> Also some weird thing with the trackpad - it kind of...jumps to the bottom corner every once in awhile. Not sure why
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> I did this on Solus as well, so I'm used to it, but never on Windows
[11:05] <xubuntu89i> *It did this
[11:11] <xubuntu89i> I am getting about 12-14 hours of constant moderate/heavy use per charge with Xubuntu live though
[11:11] <xubuntu89i> Loving that!
[12:13] <pencilandpaper> Good morning.
[12:54] <jmaestu> hola
[12:54] <jmaestu> alguien puede prestarme una ayuda por favor
[13:57] <Tvilling> Hi! I upgraded to 16.04 recently, and now my mouse pointer consistently disappears after logging in after resuming from sleep. Is this a known issue?
[13:57] <Tvilling> It's a laptop, Lenovo X240
[13:58] <Tvilling> I have to restart lightdm to get it to reappear again, and it's a bit annoying to have to do that every time it happens
[14:09] <knome> Tvilling, did you read the release announcement?
[14:11] <Tvilling> knome: Nope, just a general google-search for known bugs... Thanks
[14:34] <Babloyi> xubuntu 16.04 is out, but I'm still on 14.04, and my updater doesn't seem to know a new LTS is out?
[14:34] <Babloyi> there no way to update directly from 14.04 to 16.04?
[14:34] <Pici> !ltsupgrade
[14:36] <Babloyi> ohhhh
[14:36] <Babloyi> ok
[14:36] <Babloyi> I can wait :D
[14:36] <Babloyi> all the more time for more things to get compatible
[15:08] <anomaly> I have a shell script I want to bind to a keyboard shortcut.  when I run the script from a terminal it does as expected.  when I go into keyboard shortcuts in settings and assign the shortcut it does not run.  I have assigned other shortcuts and they work as expected.   what else can I look at or do to make this work?
[16:08] <rfleming> Greetings!
[16:50] <dave_p> Hello, I have a broken menu item that is not listed in the MenuLibre list. Since it is broken I'd like to remove it but can't find where it is located. Any suggestions?
[16:53] <dave_p> For further information I'm on 16.04
[16:55] <mrkramps> dave_p, this broken menu entry is for which application?
[17:17] <dave_p> mrkramps: It is Telegram, the messenger.
[18:49] <Nebucatnetzer> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with xfburn. When I try to burn mp3's it shows a pop up with this text "Gstreamer did not like this file (detection timed out)". I tried now for about 2-3 hours to solve this problem but I couldn't get it to work.
[18:50] <Nebucatnetzer> I tried to install the good, bad and ugly plugin for gstreamer but that didn't help. Also any other mentioned packages/plugins mentioned on various blogs didn't solve it.
[18:51] <Nebucatnetzer> *packages/plugins for gstreamer
[18:53] <Nebucatnetzer> My questions are now the following ones: Is there a solution to this? If there isn't a solution should I file a bug and if yes where? Ubuntu/Xubuntu/xfburn
[18:53] <well_laid_lawn> have you used something like ffmpeg to check the files ?
[18:54] <Nebucatnetzer> how would I do that? What I tried was to use Brasero which works fine.
[18:55] <well_laid_lawn> just  ffmpeg -i /path/to/mp3   and see what it reports
[18:57] <Nebucatnetzer> http://pastebin.com/Lj6q7qnZ
[18:59] <well_laid_lawn> apart from the line 14 junk that looks ok
[19:01] <Nebucatnetzer> They play fine btw, just tested it with vlc
[19:01] <well_laid_lawn> my guess is gstreamer is getting stymied by that junk
[19:02] <well_laid_lawn> you could try rewriting the file with ffmpeg and see if that clears it up
[19:04] <Nebucatnetzer> hmm not really a good solution. a friend of mine is having the problem and that wouldn't work for her.
[19:04] <Nebucatnetzer> I was just able to reproduce it in a VM
[19:05] <Nebucatnetzer> however I can test it anyway to see if the problem goes away
[19:37] <Nebucatnetzer> @well_laid_lawn I've rewritten the file with ffmpeg but it didn't work
[19:43] <tgeest> quit
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> Nebucatnetzer:  you can check if there's an existing bug for that or file a new one if you like
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[19:56] <Nebucatnetzer> I'm filing a new one at the moment. Couldn't find an existing one. Thank you for your help :)
[20:06] <pjotter1> Hi people. Jut a quick question: Why does the default Xubuntu theme have so little space reserved on the edges of the windows? It's almost impossible for me to grab the side of a window and resize it. Or maybe I'm missing something?
[20:07] <nairwolf> hi pjotter1 : I have the same feeling badly....
[20:07] <pleia2> pjotter1: if you're having trouble grabbing the edges, there's a post about other methods for resizing windows: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[20:08] <pleia2> (I can't answer the question as to why they're so small though)
[20:08] <pjotter1> I always find myself switching to the Kokodi windows manager.
[20:09] <pleia2> I use method 2 from that post almost exclusively, it's even easier than edge grabbing
[20:10] <pleia2> (though it doesn't work with all apps, some grab the alt input)
[20:10] <pjotter1> I mainly use a wacom pen. NOt sure if that mathod works with that too...
[20:10] <pleia2> only one way to find out :)
[20:11] <pjotter1> Thats weird. I cant even get the method to work with a mouse. Just press alt and right anywhere on the window?
[20:13] <pjotter1> Larighty I got it. Withg me I had to press the right altkey and the windowskey similtaniously and right click. I don;t think this will be a very handy method in my case... :S
[20:13] <pleia2> no windows key, I hold down alt and then right click+move mouse
[20:14] <pleia2> but yeah, sounds not
[20:14] <pleia2> much easier and intuitive with a mouse
[20:15] <pjotter1> Ah ok, got it now
[20:15] <pjotter1> I had selecte super key instead of alt in the settings
[20:15] <pleia2> ah :)
[20:16] <pjotter1> Yes, that is for working with photoshop I'm afraid. Photoshop uses the alt key al lot for various functions.
[20:17] <pjotter1> But I guess it wouldn't be very hard to alter the graybird theme myself to get some thicker edges around the windows?
[20:17] <pleia2> I don't know
[20:19] <pjotter1> I just installes 16.04 in a virtualbox. Looks really great!
[20:32] <xubuntu26w> hi all!
[20:33] <xubuntu26w> please help, maybe stupid question, but. an anybody help to resolve one problem/ libreoffice can't open files fom smb shares
[20:33] <xubuntu26w> in xubuntu 14.04 all was fine, but in 15.10 and 16.04, problem presist
[20:34] <mrkramps> xubuntu26w, install libreoffice-gnome and gvfs-backend-goa
[20:35] <xubuntu26w> mrkramps tnx! I'll try
[20:36] <mrkramps> should be gvfs-backends-goa, sry
[20:40] <xubuntu26w> is the libreoffice not preinstalled?
[20:40] <pjotter1> hey xubuntu26w!
[20:40] <pjotter1> I am experiencing the same thing here
[20:41] <pjotter1> Are these files on a mounted disk or something?
[20:42] <xubuntu26w> just mounted smb share
[20:42] <xubuntu26w> eg in ubuntu mate all fine, in generic ubuntu all fine too
[20:43] <pjotter1> I sure hope the sollution mrkramps gave works because I have been scratching my head over this for a few days.
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> problem only in xubuntu from 15.10
[20:43] <pjotter1> I have the problem also in 14.04
[20:43] <pjotter1> It just started recently
[20:43] <mrkramps> pjotter1, using libreoffice from ppa?
[20:43] <pjotter1> Yes
[20:43] <pjotter1> Everything 100% out of the box
[20:43] <xubuntu26w> still try to find full instruction to install gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <pjotter1> sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <mrkramps> xubuntu26w:$ sudo apt-get install libreoffice-gnome gvfs-backends-goa
[20:44] <flocculant> not available for 16.04 it seems
[20:45] <xubuntu26w> flocculant looks like right!
[20:45] <xubuntu26w> Package 'gvfs-backends-goa' has no installation candidate
[20:45] <mrkramps> hm, gvfs-backends now includes goa
[20:46] <pjotter1> libreoffice-gnome is available though
[20:47] <mrkramps> ok, check if 'gvfs-backends' is installed
[20:47] <pjotter1> mrkramps: In what way does the goa package differ from the normal one?
[20:47] <mrkramps> pjotter1, it is just another backend which had been provided in a different package
[20:48] <xubuntu26w> I try "sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends"
[20:48] <pjotter1> Does it solve the problems with filelocking in Libreoffice?
[20:48] <xubuntu26w> and  get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:49] <xubuntu26w> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[20:49] <xubuntu26w> no, problem presists :(
[20:49] <pjotter1> just a few line above that it should read that the package is already installed.
[20:50] <pjotter1> xubuntu26w: I have found a few ugly workarounds that might work.
[20:51] <pjotter1> You can try disabling filelocking for Libreoffice (if indeed that is the problem in your case, I'm not 100% sure)
[20:51] <xubuntu26w> I found a lot advices about change strings in LO configs, all of them useless, just chaned error message
[20:51] <xubuntu26w> and how to disable filelocking?
[20:52] <pjotter1> Ok
[20:52] <pjotter1> Try this: $ sudo mousepad /usr/bin/soffice
[20:52] <pjotter1> Look for these lines:
[20:52] <pjotter1> # file locking now enabled by default
[20:52] <pjotter1> SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
[20:52] <pjotter1> export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
[20:53] <pjotter1> You have to comment those out by putting a # in front of them like so:
[20:53] <pjotter1> # file locking now enabled by default
[20:53] <pjotter1> # SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
[20:53] <pjotter1> # export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
[20:54] <pjotter1> Once you done that... save the file and try opening a file.
[20:54] <pjotter1> I mean try opening a file with Libreroffice.
[20:54] <pjotter1> On that samba share.
[20:56] <xubuntu26w> wow it helps!
[20:56] <pjotter1> Alrighty :)
[20:56] <pjotter1> One thing though...
[20:56] <pjotter1> You have just disabled filelocking for Libreoffice.
[20:57] <pjotter1> This means that if two user would open the same file with Libreoffice and start editing it... things would mess up.
[20:57] <pjotter1> If you're the only user on the mounted disk, you will be fine.
[20:57] <pjotter1> Just a word of caution
[20:58] <pjotter1> filelocking is meant to prevent people from opening and editing the same files and should probably be turned on.
[20:58] <pjotter1> But as there seems to be a bug here... this will work in the meantime.
[20:58] <xubuntu26w> understood. I'll look now on generic ubunto for it setting
[20:59] <pjotter1> Just uncomment those lines again to enable filelocking again.
[21:00] <pjotter1> Btw... the fact that you experience this too tells me there is something wrong with either Libreoffice or samba. We should probably consider filing a bug report.
[21:00] <pjotter1> What system do you use? I'm on Xubuntu 14.04.4 amd64
[21:02] <xubuntu26w> I just try to find perfect distribution to use at home an work
[21:02] <pjotter1> Go with Xubuntu ;)
[21:02] <xubuntu26w> xubuntu perfect for me, but from 15.10 have this problem :(
[21:02] <pjotter1> 14.04 too.
[21:03] <xubuntu26w> on 14.04 all was fine
[21:03] <pjotter1> Until recently. I just reinstalled my 14.04 and sudenly there was this problem with Libreoffice.
[21:03] <xubuntu26w> few seconds ago open config in ubuntu, these strings uncommented
[21:04] <xubuntu26w> but opens fine from smb share
[21:04] <pjotter1> What version is that?
[21:04] <xubuntu26w> latest ubuntu 16.04 x64
[21:05] <pjotter1> I know that recenlty there was an upgrade of the samba-common package. I suspect that maybe that might be the cause of this. Maybe we could check what versions are used by the systems?
[21:07] <xubuntu26w> how can I do it (I just young user of NIX systems)
[21:08] <pjotter1> me too ;)
[21:08] <pjotter1> I usually use synaptic for that
[21:09] <pjotter1> just install synaptic, run it and search for the packages. The version numbers are displayes alongside the names.
[21:16] <xubuntu26w> 2:4.3.8
[21:16] <pjotter1> Yes, me too
[21:16] <xubuntu26w> in xubuntu and ubuntu genuine
[21:17] <pjotter1> But in Ubuntu everything works like it should?
[21:18] <xubuntu26w> yes
[21:18] <xubuntu26w> in ubuntu mate all fine too
[21:18] <pjotter1> I'm reading that recently samba was fixed and updated because of something called 'badlock'. That was in april, just around the time I started noticing this buggy behaviour with Libreoffice. I'm just guessing that this might have something to do with this but I'll have to do  more testing.
[21:20] <pjotter1> Unfortunately I don't have the knowlegde to dive into this more deelpy atm... but for the time being we are saved by disabling filelocking it seems.
[21:21] <xubuntu26w> ok. tnx a lot! usually it proper desission for most situations!
[21:21] <pjotter1> btw, you can also disable filelocking by adding 'noclock' to your cifs mount entry in fstab.
[21:21] <pjotter1> That would disable filelocking for all apps. Not just Libreoffice.
[21:22] <pjotter1> whoops.. I meant 'nolock'
[21:22] <pjotter1> without quotes ofcourse
[21:24] <pjotter1> For instance: //MyNAS/Share 	/mnt/MyMount cifs	defaults,nolock,guest,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8	0 0 (or something like that)
[21:25] <pjotter1> This also 'solves'  the problem. Hence I think it might have something to do with samba.
[21:51] <esmoBG> hi   from bulgaria
[21:57] <knome> hello.
[22:05] <esmoBG> ho
[22:06] <knome> esmoBG, do you have a support question?