[00:08] <mkanyicy> how to make an 'expo' keyboard shortcut on kubuntu?
[00:09] <mkanyicy> right now I point a mouse to the top left corner for this effect to take place, but i need a keyboard shortcut for it as well
[00:09] <mkanyicy> FYI: i am not using compiz, nor ccsm
[00:10] <mkanyicy> but kubuntu's default desktop effects (whatever it uses). am using kubuntu lucid
[01:05] <tort> трям
[01:10] <BajK> Is it just me or is 11.04 so much quicker compared to 10.10?
[01:10] <BajK> I mean, I am running it in vbox and it is almost quicker and more responsive (with compositing and anything) than my real 10.10 install
[01:29] <FloridaGuy> does ppa or backports have a newer kernel then the <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:30] <rosco_y> Can anyone tell me how to set the icons on the activity bar?
[01:31] <FloridaGuy> rosco_y: you want to add icons to panel
[01:32] <rosco_y> FloridaGuy: Thank you, not quite.  I am using the "Activities", and for some of them I've (accidentily) been able to associate an icon with an activity--I'd like to do the same for my other activies, but I haven't been able to figure out how to do that.
[01:34] <FloridaGuy> rosco_y: dont know...never used it
[01:34] <rosco_y> FloridaGuy: Thanks in any case--I appreciate the effort :)
[03:04] <trudell> hi all, hi james
[03:36] <Jackalope> i have a question when i scroll sometimes it looks like my screen is in pieces
[03:36] <Jackalope> like overlaps as well
[03:37] <Jackalope> anyone lol?
[03:57] <lithpr> i know this is a stupid question, but i cannot either a) configure Auto eth0 or b) make Network Manager use my custom configuration by default.
[03:57] <lithpr> darn it, i could have helped Jackalope
[03:58] <trudell> hi lith
[03:59] <trudell> i cannot understood your question
[04:00] <trudell> i use here b alternative
[04:16] <weecol> it is 4:16 here
[04:16] <weecol> so good morning from here
[04:16] <weecol> uk
[04:16] <weecol> seems quiet
[04:18] <lithpr> ... too quiet.
[04:26] <matty> it's only about 11 my placepm here and it's dead quiet at
[04:26] <matty> my place
[04:26] <matty> damn trackpad ;)
[04:41] <trudell> lithpr, are you pr_ ?
[04:42] <lithpr> pr_ ?
[04:42] <trudell> yeah, you are the brazilian that i talk after?
[04:43] <trudell> that was using nickname pr_?
[04:45] <trudell> are you here?
[04:46] <lithpr> no
[04:47] <lithpr> i am not pr_
[05:03] <trudell> hi matty
[05:04] <matty> hello
[05:12] <mcurran> Anyone have any suggestions for me tonight?  I'm getting this error from konqueror (kde3.5) every time I try to mount a removable device in the media section "Error - Konqueror    Connection is closed"?
[05:15] <trudell> are you using gutsy ou hardy?
[05:22] <mcurran> intrepid
[05:23] <mcurran> BT4R2
[05:23] <trudell> so are you using kde 3.5 from ppa, dont?
[05:29] <mcurran> No, I'm using backtrack 4 r2 as an hd install, but noone there or online seems to have this same issue.  It's from one of my packages I setup, because this is the second reinstall and it's reoccurring again.  I can mount the removable media manually, but my media section doesn't want to work anymore.  I've checked /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab and they are fine...
[05:35] <trudell> so... try to install kde 3.5 from ppa repository, maybe  solve your problem
[05:36] <trudell> kde 3.5 is obsolete in intrepid and before versions
[05:36] <trudell> so, have some problems
[05:39] <trudell> maybe the problem are in konqueror compilation
[05:40] <trudell> that not recognize properly the devices mountage archicteture
[05:45] <trudell> developers from ppa are developing kde 3.5 for all kubuntu distros
[06:27] <AciD> I don't have any video with dragon player, only sound. Everything works fine in vlc. Anybody experiencing that problem ? (it may be related with the last update of xserver-xorg-video-intel from ppa)
[06:36] <AciD> trying to revert to the pp6 version of that intel server
[06:45] <rajvi> hello all
[06:46] <rajvi> a newbie here
[06:46] <rajvi> i have a story
[06:46] <rajvi> i m from the country
[06:46] <rajvi> n i mm the only kid in 100 miles who ses open sorce
[06:48] <rajvi> on ubuntu 10.10 every apps gets installed but returns an "exit code -1"
[06:49] <rajvi> hello can i get some assistance
[07:05] <gr8m8> you can't get assistance if you don't hang around...
[07:54] <keeper> hi all
[07:57] <fhd_> Hi guys, just wanted to tell you that I'm extremely impressed by the state of Kubuntu and KDE in 10.10. I'm definitely here to stay and I'm also planning to get back to KDE hacking, maybe Kubuntu too. Thank you all very much!
[09:44] <trudell> hey ya
[10:23] <MHB> hi all
[10:23] <MHB> i'm new user for kubuntu
[10:24] <MHB> i can not reg to kubuntu form
[10:25] <ventti> is it just me or is the kde 4.6 / ubuntu combination as buggy as hell?
[10:25] <ventti> serious question
[10:33] <ventti> must be me then :)
[10:45] <Space_Man> ventti: just you :)
[10:45] <ventti> hmmm ...
[10:45] <Space_Man> what sort of bugs do you have?
[10:46] <ventti> a number of bugs it seems...
[10:47] <ventti> note though - i use kubu 10.10 64 bit on hp laptop with at mob radeon 4650
[10:47] <ventti> ati*
[10:47] <ventti> ...
[10:47] <ventti> example...
[10:47] <ventti> in firefox i cannot r click,and save as an image...
[10:47] <amichair> will LibreOffice be backported to existing releases?
[10:47] <ventti> instead i must view image information and save from there
[10:48] <ventti> weird - note this has been documented...
[10:48] <ventti> ...
[10:48] <ventti> furthermore... i cannot install login screen themes without inputting some argy-bargy on cmd line first - again this is documented...
[10:49] <ventti> i cannot install normal desktop themes
[10:49] <ventti> ... clicking on URL's here and in chat clients makes Thunderbird instead of browser open...
[10:50] <ventti> and a beauty...
[10:50] <ventti> editing the KDE kickstart menu is impossible
[10:50] <ventti> it just cant be done properly
[10:50] <ventti> thats it for now.... its been an interesting 48 hrs with Kubuntu for me :)
[10:51] <ventti> (ex ubuntu and arch user, btw)
[10:52] <ventti> thoughts Space_Man ?
[11:03] <yofel> ventti: I can save as image fine here in firefox
[11:03] <yofel> the kdm bug is indeed known :/
[11:04] <yofel> what an URL is opened with depends on what you have set in default applications
[11:06] <ventti> yofel browser should be default for URL IMO :) not mail client - weird. each time i wanna save image, R-click, save as does not work... i have to view image info box then select 'save as' button in this box - i dont have url to page where this is documented, but its known issue
[11:07] <ventti> e3diting kde kickstart is a big pain too... see http://www1.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1684956
[11:07] <coder2> Hello. Could please someone explain how to paste file into some folder using Dolphin? Looks like it is not possible in list view and the folder has more entries
[11:07] <yofel> ah, I use firefox 4 here, not sure what 3.6 did there - as for the URL, you're trying to open the URL from a gnome app? That the configuration for kde/gnome applications are seperate is known, and won't probably change soon :/
[11:08] <gjhxsh> ?
[11:08] <gjhxsh> ?
[11:08] <gjhxsh> ?
[11:08] <yofel> coder2: use Edit->Paste
[11:08] <yofel> from the menu bar
[11:09] <yofel> gjhxsh: ?
[11:09] <ventti> FF 3.6.13 here - urls opening from xchat and kopete both try to open with thunderbird
[11:09] <coder2> yoffel: Thank you. But it is not convenient way.
[11:11] <coder2> Another question: How to prevent unwanted dragging of K menu items right after click on them? Turn of animation?
[11:12] <coder2> When I click on the "K" menu, and then choose some item before the animation ends the item start dragging
[11:12] <coder2> It is very annoying
[11:13] <yofel> well, they're supposed to be draggable, but you can turn off the animation
[11:13] <ventti> coder2 i have experienced this as well - makes me think i am going to move the item to the desktop each time :)
[11:13] <ventti> it seems very touchy
[11:13] <yofel> system settings -> desktop effects -> all effects -> sliding popups
[11:13] <coder2> yofel: The dragging operation works wtong then.
[11:14] <coder2> sorry, wrong
[11:15] <yofel> wait, you're clicking on an entry *while* the animation is still running? why?
[11:19] <coder2> yofel: because animation is quite long process, an I have computer desktop experience since 1989
[11:20] <ventti> anyway.. will see what (if any) issue arise over the next few days / week - if there's more then i may very well head to another distro...
[11:20] <ventti> http://www.brighthub.com/hubfolio/matthew-casperson/articles/105170.aspx  -comments are interesting, especially those on page 4
[11:20] <ventti> anyway, will see how we go
[11:22] <fhd_> Which -dev packages are required to compile plamoids?
[11:22] <coder2> yofel: I think that the dragging of menu items should be an option like "Lock widgets". And dragging must not start if mouse cusror is not moving relating the screen coords, not the moving menu  coords
[11:22] <fhd_> s/plamoids/plasmoids/
[11:23] <amichair> will LibreOffice be backported to existing releases?
[11:28] <yofel_> coder2: true..
[11:28] <yofel> ventti: tried kickoff editing - I can reorder application launchers, but it indeed fails when you try to reorder subfolders
[11:30] <ventti> yofel as an example i wanted to move the development folder, but no way in hell would it move to where i wanted it - it always ended up under soemthing else
[11:31] <ventti> did u see this... (i think you might have logged off)...
 http://www.brighthub.com/hubfolio/matthew-casperson/articles/105170.aspx  -comments are interesting, especially those on page 4
[11:32] <ventti> what happens yofel if you try to install a logon screen theme? does it work for you as it should?
[11:32] <coder2> Next question: How to prevent the "file name" control in the file dialog losing focus whem the mouse cursor leaves its area?
[11:33] <yofel> ventti: only if you run it with 'kdesudo kcmshell4 kdm'
[11:33] <yofel> known bug
[11:33] <ventti> ok
[11:33] <ventti> despite all that i have mentioned above - it seems stable :)
[11:34] <ventti> works fine
[11:34] <ventti> despite bugginess
[11:34] <ventti> :)
[11:34] <Guest77346> )
[11:47] <dagnytaggart> Greetings. I am looking for some assistance in writing inputs from the command line. In particular, I can run '"gpg" [Press Enter]. Program then responds with "Enter input", I enter input, then press "Ctrl-D" - program then closes and outputs the result I want to stdout. This is the behavior I am looking for, just without the human input - need to condense it down to one statement entered on the command line. Thoughts?
[11:49] <rork> how many dagnytaggarts could exist on this planet?
[11:52] <dagnytaggart> It is a literary reference - quite possibly a few.
[11:55] <rork> Based on your reaction at least two indeed :). I thought you might've been an old UT player.
[12:33] <sanatir> indonesia ???
[12:35] <Peace-> sanatir: mm
[12:35] <Peace-> sanatir: your language?
[12:35] <Peace-> indi?
[12:35] <Peace-> !indi
[12:35] <Peace-> anyway to get the channel you could type
[12:36] <sanatir> my lang indonesia
[12:36] <Peace->      !yourlanguage
[12:36] <Peace-> for example for me that  i am italian
[12:36] <Peace->    !it
[13:39] <c2tarun> how can i format a pen-drive in kubuntu?
[13:42] <kuvu> hi. how do I disable desktop effects via tty? file to edit? thanks for the help
[13:44] <kuvu> systemsettingsrc looks cryptic
[13:49] <yofel> c2tarun: partitionmanager should be able to do that
[13:52] <smose> hey! is there a way to reset graphics in kde?
[13:53] <matty> you mean reset X
[13:56] <smose> yes
[14:04] <smose> nvm. i found a way.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:18] <matty> hello
[14:22] <nata> got somebody here?
[14:23] <avihay> Hi, I have a broken kubuntu 10.04, and I've decided to replace it with a fresh kubuntu 10.10. I've already readyed a usb stick with the installation. I wonder if I could get some help and tips for the installation. some of the issues are: how do I get a list of manually installed packages, so that I can reinstall them, how well will my encripted privet folder fare after the installation? do I start useing grub2? I think it's best if most of my filesystem
[14:23] <avihay> would remain EXT3, especially because of the long time it takes to process the package information.
[14:25] <nata> if you wan reinstall u better write down wat software u install before and not suggest using software backup list
[14:26] <nata> cos some other software make yr system unstable b4 will also reinstall back
[14:28] <Tm_T> avihay: "dpkg --get-selections" is command to obtain the list of installed and uninstalled package
[14:28] <Tm_T> s
[14:29] <nata> d software backup list i think u can do it at "synaptic/file/generate package download script"
[14:29] <Peace-> Tm_T: kdesudo skanlite works
[14:29] <nata> i din try b4 but hope it can
[14:29] <nata> hehe
[14:29] <avihay> Tm_T: I'm looking for a list of packages that I manually installed
[14:29] <Peace-> Tm_T: skanlite nope
[14:29] <Peace-> Tm_T: which group should i add to my user?
[14:30] <avihay> for example, firefox, wine, ibus
[14:31] <avihay> I didn't want to go with the synaptic script path for some reason
[14:33] <avihay> the list in synaptic is far from complete
[14:34] <nata> before reformat, u can try create new user account(select same group to enable view yr encrp. file), everything will be fine
[14:37] <nata> at "software source" of synaptic, in tab updates, if u selected "Pre-released update", yr computer may become unstable. i try it b4
[14:37] <avihay> well, actually, dpkg --get-selections is very close to what I wanted, thanks Tm_T
 before reformat, u can try...    was aimed for me?
[14:38] <nata> ya
[14:38] <avihay> my home folder is on a separate partition
[14:39] <yofel> for manually installed packages aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' should be pretty accurate, --get-selections doesn't make a difference between automatically or manually installed.
[14:40] <nata> haha, sifu come ad
[14:40] <avihay> I rarly use aptitude, and as far as I know apt and aptitude don't keep the same manually/automatically installed database
b4 tat i create new acc, and all private file change to group also can "read and write" then move to new acc. then delete old acc. after tat create back 1 new acc with UID and name wat els same as before and all the things move back to tis acc. everything was fine
[14:46] <avihay> so you just copied them out of the encrypted file, then copied them back?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> avihay, both apt and aptitude draw from the same repositories , it'd been reported that aptitude organizes and installs application dependncies better than apt , but afaik there's no proof one is superior to the other
[14:50] <nata> almost means like tat. but u must use 2nd acc to move all yr 1st acc file for safety purpose (note tat u must enable group can read and write yr file whe u at 1st acc)
[14:50] <nata> u try create 2nd acc test system stable @ not oni decide to do
[14:52] <BluesKaj> !u
pls ensure yr 3th acc UID must same as yr 1st acc u oni can get back yr encrp. file. all can be done at "system setting/user management"
[14:56] <nata> try yr best
[14:57] <nata> i wan gambling ad
[14:57] <nata> bye bye
[14:57] <nata> hehe
[15:03] <Irwell> !factoids
[15:50] <ZenGuy> morning people.. I want to know does a kubuntu have a similar system tray access to wifi access points like windows 7 and gnome network manager? I've been using pclinuxos which is different but i've seen some screenshots that have a nice looking wifi access gui
[15:50] <PasNox> NetworkManager plasmoid ?
[15:50] <PasNox> hi all
[15:51] <PasNox> i'm having trouble since i installed kde 4.6 on my kubuntu 10.10 64bits
[15:51] <franzmaximilian> hello. again an old problem that i faced a couple of releases ago (but I forgot the solution now).  The menu that should be at the bottom of the screen does not appear when I bring the mouse down there. I think I only need to activate it manually from konsole and set new properties, but i forgot the command i need to activate it.  Pls help
[15:51] <PasNox> xorg seem to leak ( nvidia propriatary drivers ), plasma / kwin is slow and take seconds switching tasks
[15:51] <PasNox> and koepte simply crash / take many seconds to initialize while before it was very quick
[15:52] <ZenGuy> pasnox have you tried reinstalling the kde 4.6 or trying an all together new profile? I'm not a linux expert
[15:53] <PasNox> no i did not tried a new profile
[15:53] <PasNox> i will try just now
[15:55] <PasNox> bah i have no other user and i tired of creating a new one ... :D
[15:56] <ZenGuy> franzmaximilian: are you refering to the panel or widgets screen?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> he left
[15:57] <BluesKaj> probly had no panel
[15:59] <marxjohnson> My girlfriend has an iPod with a load of music from iTunes, what's my best bet for her to manage putting music in her iPod from Kubuntu?
[15:59] <PasNox> amarok
[16:00] <marxjohnson> really? It didn't seem to react to the iPod. Do I need to turn on anything special?
[16:00] <marxjohnson> haha ignore that I just found it
[16:01] <fhd_> Hi. Which -dev packages do I need to compile Plasma widgets?
[16:04] <PasNox> marxjohnson: :)
[17:08] <dolomite> slow day
[17:09] <dolomite> anyone else testing 11.04? looking good
[17:14] <abimeleh> salve
[17:14] <abimeleh> qualcuno parla italiano spero
[17:17] <Fanfare> !it
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> is it safe to remove nepomuk and virtuoso?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I forgot to ask you yesterday, are you running 64 bit ?
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no
[17:21] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the new driver from nvidia was buggy, after that i reverted back to the driver in repos
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: flash works in all browsers , except chromium. i found out that it was a bug in chromium
[17:22] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I tried the driver too , it definitey shouldn't be recommended for my grfx card on kubuntu 10.10
[17:23] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[17:25] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: is it safe to remove nepomuk abd virtuoso?
[17:25] <mfraz74> Twice today I've had 2 different computers lock up, logging in remotely and running 'top' showed that xorg was at 100%
[17:25] <mfraz74> only way I could get the computers working again was to reboot, any ideas of causes?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> ok, phoenix_firebrd good to hear , chromium is ok for regular monitors but not a plasma tv like I use here on the media-server...it's menu and tab fonts aren't adjustable for large scrns , they aren't integrated with kde font settings in application appearance
[17:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: did you try google chrome?
[17:27] <abimeleh> hi evryone
[17:27] <phoenix_firebrd> abimeleh: hi
[17:27] <abimeleh> sorry for my english
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> mfraz74: did you see the logs for any error messages
[17:28] <abimeleh> i spech so so englih
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> i spech englih too
[17:28] <mfraz74> phoenix_firebrd: no, didn't seem to be anything in the Xorg logs, and no error messages
[17:28] <phoenix_firebrd> mfraz74: weired
[17:28] <mfraz74> phoenix_firebrd: Both computers had Firefox running with some Flash.
[17:29] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes , I removed nepomuk-virtuoso a while ago
[17:29] <mfraz74> Wondering if it had something to do with the new version of flash that was released this week
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: then i will try, hopefully it shouldn't beak my system
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> mfraz74: ya
[17:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, no you should be fine
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> mfraz74: stop the flash plugin and see
[17:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: good
[17:31] <mfraz74> phoenix_firebrd: I couldn't as there was no response on the screen and the mouse wouldn't work
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> mfraz74: whats your processor?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> mfraz74, and graphics card and driver ?
[17:35] <antonio__> ciao
[17:35] <abimeleh> ciao antonio
[17:35] <abimeleh> unico italiano qui
[17:36] <abimeleh> con mè
[17:37] <antonio__> ciao ci sono anche io
[17:37] <abimeleh> benvenuto
[17:37] <antonio__> grazie
[17:37] <abimeleh> installato da poco?
[17:38] <antonio__> ho appena installato konversation
[17:38] <antonio__> prima volta
[17:38] <abimeleh> io la ho su un pc virtuale
[17:38] <abimeleh> non richiede grande ram
[17:39] <antonio__> io su uno reale, ma non ho capito ancora come funziona
[17:39] <abimeleh> ho windows e kubutu
[17:39] <abimeleh> tranquillo
[17:39] <antonio__> io uguale
[17:39] <abimeleh> funzia come windosw
[17:39] <antonio__> ma uso solo ubuntu
[17:39] <abimeleh> allora..come vedisotto ha una specie di start
[17:39] <abimeleh> con un ak
[17:40] <abimeleh> la vedi?
[17:40] <antonio__> a si
[17:40] <abimeleh> quella è la barra degli strumenti come windows
[17:40] <abimeleh> da li trovi tutto
[17:40] <antonio_> si ma funziona solo kubuntu
[17:40] <abimeleh> lo sò
[17:41] <abimeleh> ti dico che sono simili
[17:41] <abimeleh> vicino a k
[17:41] <abimeleh> vedi un disegno di un pc
[17:41] <abimeleh> poi altre icone
[17:41] <antonio__> no
[17:41] <abimeleh> cosa vedi?
[17:41] <antonio__> delle cartelle simili ad un foglio exel
[17:41] <Pici> !it
[17:42] <abimeleh> no dentro la chat
[17:42] <abimeleh> eheh
[17:42] <abimeleh> quarda fuori dalla finerta della chat
[17:42] <abimeleh> o la hai ingrandita al max?
[17:43] <abimeleh> riduci la finestra
[17:43] <antonio__> si in alto c'è file ecc..
[17:43] <abimeleh> ecco questa è la chat
[17:43] <abimeleh> dove leggi file edit
[17:43] <abimeleh> bookmarks
[17:43] <abimeleh> setting
[17:43] <abimeleh> windows
[17:44] <abimeleh> help
[17:44] <abimeleh> sono tutte parti della chat
[17:44] <abimeleh> cis ei fino a qui?
[17:44] <antonio__> si ci sono
[17:44] <abimeleh> quada alla tua sx
[17:44] <abimeleh> vedi la k
[17:45] <abimeleh> fuori dalla finestra della chat?
[17:45] <antonio__> no
[17:45] <abimeleh> riduci ad icona la chat
[17:45] <abimeleh> sai come si fà'
[17:45] <abimeleh> ?
[17:46] <abimeleh> magari ti trovi spaesato
[17:46] <abimeleh> sopra edit
[17:46] <abimeleh> ci dovrebbe essere #kubuntu-konversation
[17:47] <abimeleh> lo vedi?
[17:47] <trudell> hi bjak
[17:47] <trudell> hi blue
[17:47] <antonio_> non c'era
[17:47] <antonio_> ora ho cliccato sulla scritta
[17:48] <trudell> la garantia soy yo
[17:49] <trudell> hi irwell
[17:49] <nata> opera cannot detect ibus got who knows how to fix?
[17:50] <trudell> what is ibus?
[17:50] <trudell> someone apple bridge?
[17:50] <Irwell> hi trudell
[17:50] <nata> 1 kind of input method
[17:51] <trudell> hi irwell
[17:51] <BluesKaj> nata , ask in  ##opera
[17:51] <nata> english friend, english. haha
[17:51] <nata> ibus daemon
[17:53] <trudell> some apple s**t?
[17:53] <nata> apple?
[17:53] <Irwell> i think trudell means like ipod and iphone
[17:54] <trudell> ipod, ipad iphone, imac, icarus, ibus
[17:54] <nata> oh...me kubuntu 10.10 la, kde 4.6
[17:54] <Pici> "IBus is an Intelligent Input Bus. It is a new input framework for Linux"
[17:54] <Pici> !ibus
[17:54] <nata> good man
[17:55] <trudell> bus is a asian translator for western people?
[17:56] <nata> for eastern people more i think
[17:57] <nata> damn opera i fix it before but when upgrade kde 4.6 cannot detect again
[17:57] <BluesKaj> it's a language input application, not a translotor
[17:57] <BluesKaj> err translator
[17:57] <Irwell> !test
[17:57] <trudell> eastern people cant found a common sense in their languages?
[17:58] <nata> haha
[17:58] <trudell> well, multi-language support dont solve the matter?
[17:59] <nata> opera dnt knw using wat kind of language cos ibus cannot be detect
[17:59] <nata> is d samee
[17:59] <trudell> so.... nata, why opera? why not firefox?
[18:01] <trudell> my firefox supports strange languages like russian, arabic, and easter asian languages like japanese korean and chinese
[18:01] <nata> easy friend, i using 2 of them. using opera at linux cos it can syn bookmark with opera in windows. i using 2 system
[18:01] <nata> firefox no problem
[18:02] <trudell> pero, no perro
[18:02] <nata> i juz wan to fix opera if can
[18:03] <trudell> but.. what's happening?
[18:03] <trudell> wassap with your opera. describe
[18:03] <nata> opera in kubuntu cannot use ibus input method lo.
[18:04] <trudell> are you sure?
[18:04] <nata> so opera in kubuntu me oni can using english, other language cannot
[18:04] <nata> sure lahaha
[18:04] <Riddell> nata: it should be able to, we have an ibus-qt module (assuming opera is loading the module and the module is set up right)
[18:05] <trudell> i dont hav this problem here
[18:05] <nata> wait i check it 1st
[18:06] <trudell> but i prefer firefox than opera
[18:07] <trudell> opera is slow, without recurses, without fun
[18:07] <trudell> without good plugins
[18:07] <Peace-> trudell: ?
[18:08] <share1> midroi is fast
[18:08] <Peace-> trudell: opera can use kpart plungs
[18:08] <Peace-> ...
[18:08] <nata> qt-module got install ad, how to setup?
[18:08] <share1> wrong! arora is fast
[18:08] <Peace-> trudell: slow?
[18:08] <share1> http://www.hudieai.com/?fromuid=136809
[18:08] <nata> haha, opera become great now
[18:08] <Peace-> trudell: i guess you have not tried opera
[18:08] <nata> firefox is good in add on
[18:08] <trudell> but firefox have best support to plugins and addons
[18:09] <Peace-> trudell: this is what you think
[18:09] <nata> chrome oni good for multi core processor
[18:09] <trudell> well, a long time i used opera
[18:09] <Peace-> trudell: it's your personal point of view
[18:09] <trudell> firefox is 10x faster
[18:09] <Peace-> trudell: here it's faster opera.
[18:09] <Peace-> \ chromium
[18:10] <trudell> yes! do you think different?
[18:10] <Peace-> rekonq
[18:10] <Peace-> trudell: of course i think different...
[18:10] <Peace-> 1 opera can use kpart
[18:10] <trudell> chromium is poor of recurses
[18:10] <Peace-> trudell: this is always your point of view
[18:10] <trudell> so... tell us your thoughts
[18:11] <Peace-> i think everyone can test browser....
[18:11] <Peace-> for example i need only rekonq
[18:11] <trudell> yeah, but i prefer firefox
[18:11] <Peace-> but with webkitkde i need only konqueror
[18:11] <nata> cool down friend
[18:11] <trudell> yesterday i was talking with blueskaj
[18:11] <nata> juz diffrent 1-2 s speed oni
[18:11] <Peace-> !offtopic | trudell
[18:12] <trudell> so... he tell me taht ktorrent is better than azureus
[18:12] <Pici> !best
[18:12] <Peace-> !offtopic | trudell
[18:12] <trudell> alright
[18:12] <trudell> i will stop
[18:13] <nata> kk
[18:13] <trudell> :-P
[18:13] <trudell> my solution for your problem is change to firefox LOL
[18:14] <Peace-> nata: what's your problem ?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> konqeror is afine browser once it's setup ,. but's so much work and rekonq is hopeless IMO
[18:14] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[18:14] <trudell> he said that ibus dont run in his kubuntu
opera cannot use ibus input method
[18:14] <styrbjorne> yes it can
[18:15] <Peace-> ibus?
[18:15] <Peace-> o dbus?
[18:15] <nata> got run in kubuntu, but juz opera cannot detect it
[18:15] <styrbjorne> how do you start your x session?  .xsession or .xinitrc
[18:15] <nata> ibus daemon
[18:15] <trudell> maybe ibus be a apple dbus version
[18:15] <trudell> *an
[18:15] <Peace-> nata: you need that to do what?
 waoo..techniq base i dnt know le
[18:16] <szikar> hi all
[18:17] <nata> i wan other input sometime not oni in english
[18:17] <antonio_> join/ubuntu.it
[18:17] <Peace-> !it | antonio_
[18:18] <Peace-> nata: what? you need another language in opera?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> nata , your english either needs improvement or quit using unknown short forms in your text
[18:18] <nata> ya
[18:18] <nata> sorry sorry friend. english not very good
[18:18] <Peace-> nata: go into #opera
[18:18] <styrbjorne> nata, did you get my message?
[18:20] <nata> stybjorne: got. i think is x session...
[18:20] <styrbjorne> can you post links in this channel?  http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=19224 is a possible answer to your problem with Opera and Ibus.
[18:21] <nata> mayb
[18:21] <styrbjorne> i realize it's a bsd forum, but worth trying.
[18:21] <nata> peace, what u means? go into #opera?
[18:22] <trudell> questo canale lol
[18:22] <nata> k
[18:22] <trudell> grazie, grazie
[18:23] <trudell> natra have you installed libtext for asian languages?
[18:23] <nata> thanks styrbjorne, i will try it later
[18:24] <trudell> internacional asian fonts
[18:25] <BluesKaj> nata, it's a chatroom like this one , except it's for opera support
[18:25] <nata> got install few libtext
[18:27] <trudell> but he got a problem blueskaj
[18:27] <nata> nvm la trudell. we stop here
[18:27] <nata> hehe
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yeah, maybe the guys at ##opera can help him with his problem, trudell
[18:31] <trudell> http://jp.linux.com/
[18:31] <trudell> i hope blueskaj
[18:32] <trudell> i hate opera for these problems
[18:32] <trudell> slow, no recurses, few plugins, few addons
[18:33] <BluesKaj> trudell, I'm quite sure nata is in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
[18:36] <trudell> kual is a bear?
[18:38] <trudell> http://zaim.frens.net/projects/firefox/
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Kuala Lumpur is a city in Malaysia
[18:39] <BluesKaj> :)
[18:39] <trudell> there they pratice mu-wai-tai?
[18:40] <trudell> http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/2812
[18:42] <trudell> hey bluekaj you had reason, ktorrent is better than azureus
[18:43] <trudell> ktorrent find more clients, seeders and have a lot of good plugins, dht runs better
[18:43] <trudell> azureus is slowest
[18:45] <trudell> blueskaj, do you know some good porgram to edonkey client?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> trudell, Amule
[18:46] <trudell> my amule is strange, is an svn version
[18:46] <BluesKaj> I haven't used it in yrs , i prefer torrent sites
[18:47] <trudell> yeah, me too
[18:47] <BluesKaj> no , it should be in the repos
[18:47] <trudell> amule is slow, but... have more films
[18:47] <BluesKaj> it's the connections that are slow not the client
[18:48] <trudell> my amule have a lot of things in fault
[18:50] <BluesKaj> !aMule-AdunanzA | trudell
[18:50] <BluesKaj> aMule-AdunanzA is a peer-to-peer file sharing application, designed to connect to the eDonkey and Kadu networks. It is specifically designed for systems located behind Fastweb NAT network. It has a wide range of features, including many of the original eMule and aMule client,
[18:51] <trudell> adunanza? is an african version of emule?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> dunno
[18:52] <trudell> have an program that runs edonkey and torrent clients in same time?
[18:52] <trudell> *any
[18:54] <nata> in windows got
[18:55] <trudell> i use only linux
[18:55] <trudell> nata, are you malaysian?
[18:55] <nata> dnt hv
[18:55] <nata> ya
[18:55] <nata> u live in brazil?
[18:56] <trudell> somebody maybe develop it, dont?
[18:56] <trudell> ya, eating malaysian bananas
[18:56] <trudell> lol
[18:56] <nata> in linux i din saw it b4
[18:57] <nata> haha. banana where also got la
[18:57] <trudell> hehe
[18:58] <nata> in linux powerful downloader vy few
[18:58] <trudell> maybe in future comes to linux
[18:59] <trudell> the dc++ hub for linux is good, but is a lot different
[19:00] <nata> have to depend whos sale computer preinstall system
[19:00] <trudell> i cant use dc++ very well
[19:01] <nata> i cant help u
[19:01] <nata> haha
[19:01] <trudell> i can connect, talk, make all, but nothing of transfer data
[19:01] <nata> then already no point d
[19:02] <nata> hehe
[19:02] <nata> d main purpose of small cityzen like us is to download
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !dcc
[19:03] <trudell> maybe these public hub s**ts, dont?
[19:03] <nata> in linux i still cannot video call. cannot detect my old webcam. no point also
[19:04] <BluesKaj> !v4l2 | nata
[19:04] <nata> webcam not support it i think
[19:05] <trudell> hey blue, send me that music site that you had posted after noon
[19:05] <BluesKaj> v4l2, nata , check it out
[19:05] <nata> i wan went out a while, chat later
[19:05] <nata> k
[19:05] <trudell> !v4|2
[19:06] <BluesKaj> no v4l2
[19:06] <trudell> !v4l2
[19:06] <Irwell> !bot | trudell
[19:06] <trudell> ubbotu dont know about it
[19:06] <BluesKaj> look in kpackagekit or synaptic or ..
[19:07] <BluesKaj> or muon
[19:08] <trudell> moo on?
[19:08] <trudell> moo on have supercow powers?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> trudell, I don't recall posting a music site testerday
[19:09] <trudell> :-(
[19:09] <BluesKaj> !muon
[19:10] <BluesKaj> bot is useless today , it's factoid db needs updating
[19:10] <trudell> ubbotu didnt know moo on?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> muom
[19:10] <BluesKaj> n
[19:10] <BluesKaj> trudell, sudo aptitude install muon
[19:11] <trudell> is it gud?
[19:11] <yofel> !info muon
[19:11] <BluesKaj> yes it's good
[19:11] <yofel> hm, too short - but muon is really nice
[19:12] <trudell> i'll try
[19:13] <trudell> these conversations are good, a chance to do experiences with large types of programs
[19:15] <trudell> well guys, i must to go... i will see you later
[19:16] <trudell> bye
[19:43] <optimus> hey guys i have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse they are attached together the mouse works but keyboard doesnt can you please help me fix this?
[19:44] <optimus> sorry the keyboard and mouse pad are one unit if that makes more sense
[19:46] <basy> Hi, after last update my kernel crushed with error like: /init error on line 61 '/scripts/functions/' missing...
[19:46] <basy> Now i have to boot older kernel :o( How to repair ?
[20:18] <optimus> hello anyone here?
[20:19] <optimus> i need to find out how to install a newer plasma-desktop on top of 9.04 any ideas
[20:19] <james147> optimus: what version do you have?
[20:20] <human> whan?
[20:20] <optimus> im not sure
[20:21] <optimus> i upgraded to 10.04 and wish i hadnt
[20:21] <optimus> but i have a remastersys of my previous system
[20:21] <optimus> its on kernel 2.6.30-9 if that helps
[20:21] <james147> optimus: it wont be easy to get a new version of kde on such an old version of kubuntu
[20:23] <optimus> james147 im in for the trip i have been working on getting this done forever basically i have a dell xps m2010 and the mouse is attached to the keyboard and theyre both bluetooth in karmic the keyboard doesnt work a bug report was filed and developers dropped the idea of fixing it.
[20:23] <human> I still have 7.10 working)
[20:23] <yofel> optimus: do you have an unreleased version of karmic? 2.6.30 was only present in early karmic, and karmic was released with 2.6.31-14. And there aren't any kubuntu KDE backports for anthing older than lucid currently
[20:24] <optimus> yofel i had upgraded the system and i had to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.32-29 because grub2 didnt work at all
[20:25] <optimus> i have been remastering bt4 to fit my system requirements and it sucks all the way through im just glad i have been remastering my system as i go i have exactly 6 dvds of each step lol
[20:27] <optimus> no i have something to fall back on. All i really want is my previous version 9.04 with the newest plasma-desktop i just need to figure out how to get this done i was thinking about loading the old system and then changing out the repos and aptitude install plasma-desktop
[20:28] <optimus> so anyone up to help? will my idea work out or just fail miserably
[20:29] <james147> optimus: I doupt there is any compiled version for 9.04... you will probally need to compile from source as well as any new dependencies....
[20:30] <optimus> james147 okay so basically i need to download and compile all dependencies and the actual plasma desktop
[20:30] <optimus> sounds like a party
[20:32] <james147> optimus: but even then you will probally encounter allot of problems :p
[20:35] <optimus> this sucks
[20:36] <optimus> i cant get my bluetooth keyboard to work in karmic the mouse attached to the keyboard works the keys dont
[20:37] <optimus> alright reverting my system back to remastered verison 9.04 talk later guys
[20:39] <harvi_svk> hi guys...... have you got working twitter in microbloging widget on plasma desktop? Im running Kubuntu 10.04  - KDE 4.4.5
[20:43]  * BluesKaj wonders why ppl fool with bluetooth KBs and mice , bt is so finicky ...the regular wireless kbs and mice wok on all flavours of linux
[20:43] <BluesKaj> wok=work
[20:45] <droidftw> whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[20:46] <james147> droidftw: ubuntu comes with the gnome desktop enviroment and kubuntu comes with the kde desktop enviroment
[20:48] <droidftw> which is better to use for a new user
[20:49] <ZenGuy> what os were you using before?
[20:52] <ZenGuy> droidftw: try kubuntu and if it's a good fit for you stick with it
[20:52] <droidftw> ok
[20:52] <ventti> droidftw if you are a new user i recommend ubuntu not kubuntu
[20:54] <ZenGuy> If you could I would suggest install both kubuntu and ubuntu and mount the same home directory and from time to time boot into each one to better get a feel for both desktop enviroments
[20:55] <PasNox> Evening
[20:55] <james147> ZenGuy: ^^ or install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu or ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu and switch between them at login
[20:55] <PasNox> i'm experiencing very strange behavior since i upgraded to kde 4.6
[20:55] <PasNox> many application now take many times to do simple task they was doing very quickly before
[20:55] <rosco_y> how can I open the CUPS client software?
[20:55] <ZenGuy> what time is it?
[20:55] <harvi_svk> install ubuntu and then install KDE enviroment from from repositories. You would have gnome and KDE and you can switch between them to see which one is better for you.
[20:56] <james147> PasNox: try creating a new user and see if it better on them
[20:56] <rosco_y> ZenGuy: :) I've got 3:53p, Eastern Time
[20:56] <PasNox> james147: it's very boring because i have to reconfigure all software that cause problem
[20:56] <PasNox> james147: i'm not sure but it seem my problem is related to dbus or akonamid
[20:57] <ZenGuy> it 's still the afternoon here too
[20:57] <BluesKaj> ZenGuy, I found that kde was more to my taste both visually and organizationally right from the first time a used Linux ...maybe I'm the exception but was more difficult to navigate in than kde
[20:57] <PasNox> ok let try with a new user ...
[20:57] <PasNox> brb :)
[20:57] <BluesKaj> gnome was more difficult , that is
[20:58] <rosco_y> does anyone know how to open the CUPS client software (I think it's browser-based)
[20:58] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, swat
[20:58] <ZenGuy> BluesKaj: gnome was more difficult because it's lack of options made getting what you want done much harder
[20:58]  * james147 thinks swat is for samba
[20:58] <BluesKaj> james147, is correct again
[20:59] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:59] <rosco_y> BluesKaj: swat?
[20:59] <ZenGuy> BluesKaj: gnome is esy at some level for users but there comes a point/threshold where it becomes a pain to do what you want .. and kde fils that gap
[20:59] <BluesKaj> no rosco_y , I'm mistaken
[20:59] <james147> rosco_y: try "http://localhost:631"
[21:00] <rosco_y> james147: !! you rule!  thanks!
[21:01] <BluesKaj> rosco_y, did you look in kmenu/system settings/printer configuration?
[21:02] <ZenGuy> is installing a ubuntu desktop enviroment alongside a kubuntu install equally stable as install ubuntu itself?
[21:03] <ZenGuy> for some reason i always got the impression it would be less stable to run things that way
[21:04] <BluesKaj> ZenGuy, it's stable , but there are some probs with gnome's latest offerings , or so I
[21:04] <BluesKaj> I've seen in the #ubuntu chat
[21:05] <harvi_svk> Zenguy: I don't think so, It's stable, I used it 4 week ago
[21:06] <ZenGuy> BluesKaj: yeah one reason i've been hessitating to recommend ubuntu to my friedns IRL since 10.4 was the panel rearrangeing icons and stuff... weird bugs like those would trun people off easily
[21:07] <BluesKaj> nautlilus is becoming a bit decrepit as well , I have to admit I prefer dolphin now altho i do miss konqueror
[21:09] <ZenGuy> BluesKaj: nautilus was fine until I tried windows vista/7 explorer whhich has drop-down location menu.. dolphin search also rivals that of windows 7 too
[21:10] <harvi_svk> BluesKaj: I haven't got any problems with nautilus but realy I missed konqeror and dolphin too. I think they are better
[21:10] <BluesKaj> I like W7 ,but it has too much microsoft baggage likw windows live etc
[21:11] <harvi_svk> BluesKaj: and some apps you can't uninstall, like IE :(
[21:11] <BluesKaj> I always think of kde and kubuntu in general as fast and clean.
[21:12] <ZenGuy> first thing I did when installing windows 7 was disable a lot of features that leaked info.. thumbnail preview, search index, windows network player, sharing, etc
[21:14] <BluesKaj> I must admit tho that windows media player 12 has finally impressed me ...wish we had something like it in kubuntu.
[21:14] <harvi_svk> zenguy: My first thing what I do when I was installing win7 was install antivirus soft. :D
[21:15] <ZenGuy> I must admit I have never launch windows media player.. but the new screenshot of IE does looks nice.. I haven;t used my windows 7 install since my laptop hardware messed up last march.. I was to lazy to put the crews back since i had fixed the problem
[21:15] <ZenGuy> harvi_svk: thats rule #!
[21:16] <ZenGuy> #1
[21:17] <harvi_svk> ...and then install VGA drivers and tons of usefull software
[21:17] <BluesKaj> VLC is a fine media player , but it doesn't organize media very well in my experience , so i just go to the media I want and launch a plyer from the open with dialog
[21:19] <harvi_svk> I saw new VLC on win. and I think it has some media library or something like that
[21:19] <BluesKaj> even juk doesn't do too well with some of my ripped stuff ...it came highly recommended . but so far I'm disappointed
[21:20] <AciD> Hi, using the kde 4.6 ppa, I'm experiencing a video playback problem : I have no video display (only sound) under dragon, kaffeine of smplayer, but video works under vlc. Anybody with the same pb ?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> for some reason juk fails to list/include several albums and I can't igure out why
[21:22] <ZenGuy> brb
[21:23] <BluesKaj> AciD, have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras and added the medibuntu repos to your package manager /sources.list ?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> and enabled the canonical partner repos
[21:24] <AciD> BluesKaj: yes, it worked flawlessly few days ago
[21:25] <AciD> BluesKaj: I just found an interesting thread linking that problem with cairo-dock (http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1310062)
[21:25] <AciD> BluesKaj: too bad the solution (running cairo-dock -c (or killing cairo-dock) doesn't solve my pb..
[21:27] <BluesKaj> hmm AciD , dunno how to help .is there bug on launchpad?
[21:27] <AntOgg> How do I access my "Wallet" and is there a way to keep it from asking me for my password to connect to internet everytime I log in?
[21:28] <AciD> BluesKaj: i'm investigating
[21:30] <PasNox> james147: done (new user), starting a new session was really bad - xorg is now eating 25% cpu and 250mb ram, and bad of all - same problems :/
[21:31] <james147> PasNox: hmm.... make sure your fully upto date and dont have any missing packages : "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[21:32] <PasNox> james147: i'm sure i'm uptodate
[21:33]  * james147 suggest running it anyway... it wont hurt
[21:33] <PasNox> damn
[21:33] <PasNox> always problems with this distro :'(
[21:33] <PasNox> done
[21:33] <PasNox> no new packages and still problem
[21:33] <PasNox> now my computer become slow
[21:33] <PasNox> as a fucking 486 DX2
[21:33] <PasNox> :'(
[21:33] <james147> PasNox: what graphics card do you have/.
[21:34] <PasNox> nvidia 9600se 768mb ddr2
[21:34] <PasNox> 9600GS*
[21:34] <james147> PasNox: which drivers are you using?
[21:34] <PasNox> prop
[21:34] <PasNox> last available
[21:34] <james147> PasNox: the nvidia ones?
[21:35] <PasNox> yes
[21:35] <mau_> #ubuntu-es
[21:36] <PasNox> in kontact i use google akonadi for contacts & calendar - it always working fine - but now it s just not work, each time i click on contacts or calendar kontact freeze long long time ( like my kopete bug ) and cpu is eating %
[21:36] <james147> PasNox: you could try renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if the open drivers behave any better
[21:36] <PasNox> i think my problem is not drivers  ( or maybe could be related to xorg leak )
[21:37] <PasNox> but i have other problems  regarding akonadi / dbus
[21:37] <PasNox> each thing that try to communicate with dbus / akonadi freeze the desktop for long long minutes
[21:37] <PasNox> now in process viewer
[21:38] <PasNox> i see many entry process for dbus while when i start the computer there is only 1
[21:38] <PasNox> how do i restart / stop akonadi ?
[21:44] <PasNox> james147: kde boom :/
[21:44] <james147> :(
[21:45] <PasNox> i just restarted kde andi have kopete / kontact auto start
[21:45] <PasNox> they both freeze
[21:45] <PasNox> now i need to wait they stop to freeze
[21:46] <PasNox> james147: what's the state of akonadi google resource ?
[21:46] <PasNox> they were working fine since long time and now seem to freeze :/
[21:47] <PasNox> some minutes ago i was still able to get my contacts ( with a very long freeze delay )
[21:47] <PasNox> but now it does not work at all :/
[21:47] <PasNox> even kopete is still freezen
[21:47] <rork> PasNox which version are you running?
[21:47] <rork> of kubuntu
[21:48] <PasNox> 10.10 64bits with kde 4.6.0
[21:48] <PasNox> rork:
[21:48] <james147> PasNox: not sure, havnt been following it, last I hard though it couldnt sync, but only read
[21:48] <PasNox> for my part it always read / sync without problems
[21:49] <PasNox> i'im 99.9% sure all my problems are related to dbus and /or akonadi
[21:49] <rork> I tried google resource in kde 4.60 in Natty, calender only and couldn't get it to work either. I still have to check it out
[21:49] <PasNox> i runned kopete in gdb and check back trace
[21:49] <PasNox> it was blocked on
[21:50] <PasNox> q_dbus_reply_and_block() call
[21:50] <PasNox> damn damn damn, all apps using that does not start ( or zomby )
[21:50] <PasNox> zombie*
[21:52] <PasNox> ok nothing run :/ have to full reboot fuck fuck fuck
[21:52] <PasNox> cya
[21:57] <PasNox> james147: ok after a fulll reboot problems persists, now kopete / kontact does no longer run, they start byt freeze indefinitly
[22:00] <PasNox> is there a way to force all package on my system to be reinstalled ?
[22:00] <PasNox> or reconfigured
[22:00] <james147> PasNox: dpkg-reconfigure
[22:01] <PasNox> james147: no aware of dbus / akonadi bugs ?
[22:01] <james147> PasNox: afraid i am not
[22:02] <PasNox> ok
[22:02] <PasNox> let try reconfigure all ...
[22:04] <PasNox> james147: which version of kde / distro are u running ?
[22:04] <james147> PasNox: kde 4.6 on archlinux
[22:05] <james147> ^^ though i didnt have any problems with 4.6 on maverick when i was running it
[22:05] <AntOgg> does a kubuntu come with an encryption manager of sorts and if not does anyone have any ideas on a good to install?
[22:05] <maco> kgpg
[22:05] <AntOgg> good one*
[22:06] <maco> dunno if its installed by default or not, but thats the usual one for kde
[22:06] <AntOgg> thanks maco :)
[22:06] <PasNox> james147: well i was not having problems too the first days i installed it
[22:07] <PasNox> but more i used it more i had problems and now apps does no longer want to run
[22:07] <PasNox> i'm scared
[22:07] <james147> hmm... and a clean profile didnt help at all?
[22:08] <PasNox> no
[22:08] <PasNox> it was more bad
[22:15] <lanc_> hi
[22:18] <PasNox> james147: reconfigure all does not help ( and lead to error )
[22:18] <PasNox> :(
[22:18] <james147> PasNox: ^^ what error?
[22:18] <PasNox> james147: dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package
[22:19] <james147> hmm. anything else?
[22:19] <PasNox> no
[22:19] <james147> PasNox: try "sudo apt-get install -f"
[22:20] <PasNox> james147: http://paste.kde.org/4656
[22:20] <PasNox> it seem to go where i think it goes: dbus seem to be THE problem :(
[22:21] <james147> PasNox: yeah ^^ dpkg erroring suggests there is a problem with a package somewhere
[22:21] <james147> thats probally wahts casusing that error
[22:21] <PasNox> james147: the command u give does nothing
[22:21] <PasNox> how could i reinstall dbus ?
[22:22] <james147> PasNox: try passing --reinstall with apt-get install
[22:23] <PasNox> ok dbus reinstalled
[22:23] <PasNox> ask to reboot ... :(
[22:23] <PasNox> cy
[22:47] <PasNox> james147: i reinstalled dbus, polkit-kde and policykit-desktop-privileges and still have problems :/
[23:19] <youknowwho> Hi, I'm running kubuntu 11.04 alpha 2, and wanted to ask if there's a workaround to be able to install firefox
[23:23] <rork> youknowwho: maybe ask in #ubuntu+1 it's the official channel for natty
[23:25] <youknowwho> rork: ok, thanks!
[23:33] <ventti>  how the hell do you set your wallpaper to either tile stretch or centre??? using kubu 10.10 64 bit, tnx
[23:34] <Starminn> I've tried using KDE on a few occasions right after coming from Windows, but I found it somewhat unintuitive. It's probably just the way my mind works or something, but I was just wondering from those who use it on a regular basis, when compared to GNOME, is there anything that is easier in KDE to accomplish than in GNOME? (Not concerned about harder things, only easier, and I'm not going ot rebuttle so don't worry lol)
[23:34] <ventti> 3 days now of kde/ubu bugs for me - will be heading to either another kde distro or gnome ubu shortly i think
[23:34] <ventti> (ex arch and ubu user btw)
[23:36] <Starminn> ventti: I haven't touched KDE in a while and I'm only answering because nobody else is, but I believe the option *should* be under the Control Panel->Wallpaper or something. Try right-clicking the desktop and hitting "Desktop settings" and it may be there too? (same program I think)
[23:37] <ventti> Hi Starminn - if i right click on desktop there is no option for 'desktop Settings' - its not there
[23:38] <ventti> OK...
[23:38] <wafa> hi
[23:38] <ventti> it is under 'View Folder Settings'
[23:39] <Starminn> I can't even begin to imagine why it's there, but hey, so long as you have it.
[23:39] <wafa> i am a new user of kubuntu
[23:40] <ventti> Thanks Starminn - this is just one of many issues with the distro that i have encountered in the last 72 hrs and that others have bene on about over the last few weeks
[23:40] <wafa> i am trying to install g++ , i had an error message
[23:40] <ventti> theres all sorts wrong with it
[23:40] <ventti> issues with changing order of kde kickstart menu
[23:40] <ventti> desktop effects disabling
[23:40] <wafa> any one can help?
[23:41] <ventti> inability to set login screen themes without inputting a buncha crap in cmd line first
[23:41] <Starminn> ventti: Yeah... I find KDE a pain in the you-know-what, personally.... Takes 5 clicks to do something that tajes two in GNOME, but hey, just me.. *shrug*
[23:41] <maco> Starminn: then why do you hang out in this channel?
[23:41] <Starminn> I came here curious for what's EASIER in KDE but I guess I won't get it
[23:41] <ventti> but when its just stiing there its so damn pretty - this is why i like it... note thoough...
[23:41] <ventti> ..
[23:41] <ventti> that kde under oother distros performs a lot better
[23:41] <Starminn> maco: This is why: " I've tried using KDE on a few occasions right after coming from Windows, but I found it somewhat unintuitive. It's probably just the way my mind works or something, but I was just wondering from those who use it on a regular basis, when compared to GNOME, is there anything that is easier in KDE to accomplish than in GNOME? (Not concerned about harder things, only easier, and I'm not going ot rebuttle so don't wor
[23:42] <Starminn> maco: For the record, I've never been tothis channel before, by the way. :)
[23:42] <ventti> iits just with Ubuntu - the two are not made for eachother :(
[23:42] <maco> Starminn:  it's more about what's impossible in gnome and possible in kde
[23:42] <ventti> [END RANT]
[23:42] <Starminn> ventti: Ah, duly noted. I'll have to try KDE on other distros.
[23:42] <ventti> :)
[23:42] <wafa> helloooooooooooo
[23:42] <Starminn> maco: Oh, what am I missing out on?
[23:42] <ventti> archlinux, opensuse
[23:43] <ventti> kde - far less probs than with ubuntu
[23:44] <maco> Starminn: well for example in gnome you have two options for mouse focus:  either click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse.  kde has, in addition to those, focus-under-mouse (so if a new window pops up, it doesnt steal focus) and focus-strictly-under-mouse (if the mouse is over the desktop, the last window it waas over does NOT retain focus)
[23:44] <wafa> i need helpppppppppppppp
[23:44] <maco> Starminn: kmail has the ability to set which folder on the remote imap server to use as trash. evolution does not.
[23:44] <maco> Starminn: things like that
[23:44] <maco> wafa: then ask a question instead of whinging
[23:45] <wafa> i asked
[23:45] <wafa> already but didn't get any answer
[23:45] <maco> wafa: no you didnt. all you said is there was an error. you didnt even say what it was
[23:45] <wafa> in fact
[23:45] <Pici> !details
[23:45] <wafa> i installed kubuntu
[23:46] <wafa> but when i tried to install g++ or java
[23:46] <Starminn> maco: Ah, I use Thunderbird anyway. So basically the others are about windows stealing focus, sounds handy, alright.  What else?
[23:46] <wafa> i had an error message
[23:46] <maco> wafa: tell us the message
[23:46] <maco> Starminn: its just all that kind of stuff.... gnome removes features and options with each release. kde adds them
[23:47] <wafa> E:impossible to find the package g
[23:47] <wafa> here's the command i used
[23:48] <wafa> sudo apt-get install g++
[23:49] <wafa> and got the same answer when i tried to install sun-java6
[23:49] <wafa> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre
[23:49] <wafa> this is the command i used
[23:49] <Daskreech> ventti: huh?
[23:50] <maco> !info sun-java6-jre
[23:50] <maco> wafa: well that answers that
[23:50] <ventti> Daskreech huh? what?
[23:50] <wafa> how can i install it then
[23:50] <Daskreech> You can't set the login screen unless you change the command line?>
[23:50] <maco> !find openjdk
[23:50] <maco> wafa: use those ^
[23:51] <maco> and g++ isn't a package name
[23:51] <maco> the package is gcc
[23:51] <maco> (gcc != "gnu c compiler" nowadays, it's "gnu compiler collection")
[23:51] <wafa> but g++ shld be in the package as well isn't it
[23:51] <wafa> i have already gcc
[23:51] <maco> but the package *name* is gcc
[23:52] <maco> well then you should be good to go
[23:52] <wafa> but i need to install g++
[23:52] <wafa> so wht  shall i do then
[23:52] <maco> hrmmm wait it does seem there's one named that
[23:52] <maco> did you just install today?
[23:53] <maco> did you run "sudo apt-get update" yet?
[23:53] <wafa> yes
[23:53] <Daskreech> ventti: ^^^
[23:54] <maco> wafa: the second question?
[23:54] <wafa> it's regarding java
[23:54] <wafa> u know maco
[23:54] <maco> no, answer my second question
[23:54] <wafa> no i ddnt
[23:55] <wafa> ok i do it right now and i tell u
[23:55] <maco> it wont know what packages exist until you run that
[23:55] <ventti> Daskreech dunno what you are asking me man.you want me to repeat what i said? elaborate on something specific?...
[23:55] <ventti> ...
[23:55] <maco> (or wait a day, since its run automatically to check for updates)
[23:55] <ventti> all i was saying is that kubu 10.10 is very buggy- at least it is for me
[23:56] <Daskreech> ventti: yes you said that you cannot change login screen without changing the command line I think. what's that about?
[23:57] <wafa> it doesn't work
[23:57] <ventti> if i go to add a new login screen theme, it fails any time - this can only be done if a tweak is applied via cmd line first... this in fact is a documented bug - will try and find URL
[23:57] <Daskreech> Really?
[23:57] <maco> wafa: sudo apt-get update didnt work?
[23:57] <maco> wafa: the command failed?
[23:57] <Daskreech> hmm I changed mine pretty easily
[23:58] <wafa> no
[23:59] <ventti> Daskreech - ok - maybe its more than just the distro... perhaps issue with h/w too - am using hp laptop ati mobility radeon hd 4650
[23:59] <wafa> you know the i think that there something wrong in the configuration
[23:59] <ventti> dunno... but anyway, i have seen this issue discussed elsewhe
[23:59] <Daskreech> Ah I'm using a aTI X..umm 1300 i think


[03:47] <Chipzz> hi
[03:47] <Chipzz> do you guys realize that the latest initramfs setup has broken home-made kernels built with make-kpkg beyond all belief?
[03:48] <Chipzz> :/
[04:36] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: uh, how so?
[04:38] <Chipzz> networking not starting at all
[04:38] <Chipzz> which is due to /etc/network/ifstate not being removed
[04:39] <Chipzz> and output of e2fsck being spewed all over the console with brown * next to it
[04:39] <Chipzz> (like failure messages)
[04:44] <Mithrandir> that has nothing to do with custom or regular kernels.
[04:45] <zooko> I have a custom kernel built with make-kpkg, and I have different problems than that.
[04:58] <Chipzz> oh *sigh*
[04:58] <Chipzz> this time it fucks up in the initramfs
[04:58] <Chipzz> :/
[04:59] <Chipzz> this is exactly why I have home-made kernels: to avoid the need for any crap like initrds and initramfs'es *at all*
[04:59] <Chipzz> :(
[05:01] <Mithrandir> maybe it fucks up because you did something silly when compiling your kernel, then?
[05:11] <Chipzz> this kernel has worked ever since I installed ubuntu, and before that several months on a debian install
[05:12] <Chipzz> (to be more precise: I recompiled the kernel form my debian system with the same config on ubuntu with make-kpkg)
[05:12] <Mithrandir> yes, and?  If you're not using initrds, the initrd/initramfs can't break your boot.
[05:13] <Chipzz> the reason it breaks is exactly because initramfs being run
[05:13] <Mithrandir> don't use initramfs, then.
[05:13] <Chipzz> ok, little question...
[05:14] <Chipzz> why is /dev mkdir'ed in the initramfs?
[05:14] <Mithrandir> because else it won't exist? :-)
[05:14] <Chipzz> duh :)
[05:14] <Chipzz> but why don't you put it in the initramfs in the first place>?
[05:14] <Mithrandir> that'd work too.
[05:15] <Chipzz> I was going to suggest the following:
[05:15] <Chipzz> on debian I had devfs earlier
[05:15] <Chipzz> but just in case that crapped up
[05:15] <Mithrandir> newer kernels don't support devfs, though.
[05:15] <Chipzz> I had the necessary device nodes in /dev
[05:15] <Chipzz> (for the root filesystem)
[05:16] <Chipzz> so even if for some reason the devfsd maintainer screwed up big time
[05:16] <Chipzz> at the very least the / fs would still mount
[05:17] <Mithrandir> well, we discover stuff at boot-time rather than relying on /dev/sda being the right node each time.
[05:17] <Chipzz> maybe a good idea to actually ship /dev in the initramfs, with the necessary device nodes to mount / (and possibly /usr and /var and /tmp?)
[05:17] <Mithrandir> or rather, you need to load the relevant module
[05:17] <Mithrandir> what's needed to mount the root filesystem?
[05:17] <Chipzz> one device node ;P
[05:18] <Chipzz> in my case, /dev/hda1 ;)
[05:18] <Mithrandir> udev creates that when the device becomes available
[05:18] <Chipzz> yes
[05:18] <Chipzz> and what if the udev maintainer fucks up and udev doesn't start?
[05:18] <Chipzz> ;)
[05:19] <Chipzz> thing is
[05:19] <Mithrandir> then your system becomes unbootable, but you switch back to your previous initramfs and boot happily using that?
[05:19] <Chipzz> you *know* what device node will be needed to mount / at initramfs creation time
[05:19] <Mithrandir> no, you don't.
[05:20] <Chipzz> wouldn't that be the same device node your / fs is mounted at at that moment?
[05:21] <Mithrandir> what's if your root device is an USB hard drive?
[05:23] <Chipzz> ok, in most sane cases... ;P
[05:27] <Mithrandir> installing to an USB hard drive is not a sane case?  A live cd is not a sane case?
[08:04] <dilinger> i dunno who normally handles this, but i just uploaded ndiswrapper 1.8 to debian
[08:04] <dilinger> there are misc bugs in 1.5 (which is in dapper) that are fixed in 1.8
[08:04] <dilinger> might want to consider resynching w/ debian
[08:05] <BenC> we don't sync that package with debian, plus we are in an upstream feature freeze
[08:05] <BenC> but thanks
[08:05] <BenC> version freeze I mean
[08:07] <dilinger> ok
[08:07] <dilinger> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338309
[08:07] <dilinger> stuff like that is what you'll get when using ndiswrapper 1.5 w/ a newer kernel
[08:07] <BenC> how new?
[08:08] <BenC> we aren't going past 2.6.15 for dapper
[08:08] <dilinger> that bug report is with 2.6.14
[08:08] <dilinger> 1.5 is quite old
[08:08] <BenC> 1.5 was released not too long after dapper started, which was only a few months ago
[08:09] <dilinger> well, in terms of kernel releases, it's old
[08:09] <zooko> Heh.
[08:09] <dilinger> i assume you had to patch it to make it compile?
[08:10] <dilinger> looks like 1.5 was released on halloween
[08:10] <BenC> don't think so, maybe just the USB URB thing
[08:11] <dilinger> a bunch of people compiled that 1.5 didn't compile w/ 2.6.14
[08:11] <dilinger> complained, rather :)
[08:11] <dilinger> anyways, just a suggestion
[08:12] <BenC> ok
[08:29] <zul> heylo
[08:56] <mxpxpod> BenC: ping
[10:04] <dilinger> ugh
[10:04] <dilinger> this dapper box is having issues
[10:04] <dilinger> disk read issues :/
[10:54] <dilinger> rock!
[10:55] <dilinger> i just upgraded to the latest initramfs/kernel packages in dapper
[10:55] <dilinger> it looks like it fixed all the udev problems
[10:55] <dilinger>  /dev/null and friends now even have the correct permissions
[11:23] <BenC> mxpxpod: pong


[00:10] <rbelem> Riddell, should i change plasma-mobile pkg version from svn to git?
[00:11] <Riddell> rbelem: surely upstream only uses one revision control system?
[00:12] <apachelogger> anyone seen kworker screw with your system?
[00:13] <rbelem> Riddell, they are using this now git://anongit.kde.org/plasma-mobile
[00:13] <Riddell> so what's the dilemma?
[00:14] <rbelem> Riddell, i replaced svn by git and svn is always greater than git
[00:15] <rbelem> Riddell, and the date, should i keep it or replace by something different?
[00:16] <Riddell> oh so it's ythe version number in the packaging you're asking about
[00:16] <rbelem> yup
[00:16] <Riddell> just keep it with svn then
[00:17] <rbelem> oki :-)
[00:17] <Riddell> clarify it in the changelog to stop confusion
[00:17] <rbelem> brb
[01:14] <txwikinger> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~locoteams-approved/+members Kubuntu-de is not  a member here
[01:19] <ScottK> Was it approved?
[01:35] <txwikinger> ScottK: approved LoCo
[01:36] <ScottK> Sounds like a question for the loco council.
[01:36] <txwikinger> You need to be approved to get CDs now
[01:36] <ScottK> Yep.
[01:37] <txwikinger> Riddell said Kubuntu-de was approved because it is a team on the loco.ubuntu.com website
[01:37] <txwikinger> I mean ld.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <txwikinger> but non-approved teams are there too, however would not get CDs
[01:38] <txwikinger> Another problem with the new CD shipping is, you can only get packages of 250Ubuntu/50Kubuntu/50Server
[01:38] <txwikinger> So you cannot get only Kubuntu CDs
[01:52] <tsimpson> 250/50/50 seems a little too weighted imo
[02:24] <ScottK> I'd imagine special requests can still be made.
[03:00] <DaemonFC> I'm experiencing an issue with Kubuntu Natty where shutdown exits to a console instead
[03:00] <DaemonFC> Is this a known issue? Right place to ask about it? etc.
[03:16] <ScottK> DaemonFC: I suspect it's unlikely to be a Kubuntu specific issue.  You might ask in #ubuntu+1.
[08:35] <bambee> morning
[09:47] <c2tarun> what is plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets  why nobody took it for packing?
[09:48] <valorie> c2tarun: did you enter a proposal into GSoC?
[09:48] <Riddell> c2tarun: it did let you run google gadets on plasma, but we removed it recently because google gadgets isn't functional
[09:48] <valorie> about 10 hours left to do so
[09:49] <c2tarun> valorie: I asked few devs in #phonon but nobody replied :(
[09:49] <c2tarun> valorie: I also submitted a proposal but failed to find it again, where is it gone?
[09:50] <valorie> what was your link id?
[09:50] <valorie> I'll search
[09:50] <c2tarun> c2tarun
[09:50] <c2tarun> valorie: ^^'
[09:50] <valorie> alrighty
[09:51] <valorie> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/c2tarun/1
[09:51] <valorie> oh my goodness, there is nothing there
[09:52] <valorie> you must fill in the entire proposal, in detail
[09:52] <valorie> before the deadline
[09:53] <valorie> it is worth doing, and there are devels in #phonon now
[09:55] <c2tarun> valorie: this project was suggested to me by apachelogger, I dont have anyother detail to fill there :(
[09:55] <c2tarun> valorie: can you please please help me in completing the proposal.
[09:55] <valorie> you haven't done any research?
[09:55] <valorie> I can't do your research for you
[09:56] <valorie> please look at http://goo.gl/EvyrX for some examples of successful past proposals
[09:56] <c2tarun> valorie: I tried, I read about android toolchain, asked some more info from apachelogger like how to make plugins and others, he said that mentor will help me in these stuffs.
[09:56] <valorie> once you have done it, I can help you improve it
[09:56] <valorie> no one can do your research for you
[09:57] <c2tarun> valorie: I am ready for research, I just want to know what I am looking for :/
[09:58] <c2tarun> like all I got is about android tool chain, there is no info anywhere (or I failed to find :( ) about how to make plugins and other
[09:58] <valorie> I'll bet there is loads out there about how to make plugins
[09:58] <valorie> if nothing else, look at some plugin code
[09:59] <valorie> looks like qt, phonon, and android are all avenues of research
[09:59] <c2tarun> valorie: what is the deadline for submittin the proposal?
[09:59] <Nightrose> in 10 hours
[10:00] <Nightrose> submit as much as you can until then
[10:00] <Nightrose> we might be able to let you add some tiny bits later
[10:00] <Nightrose> but the major part of your proposal needs to be in melange before then
[10:00] <c2tarun> Nightrose: sure, I'll look on making plugins and Qt can you please suggest any other topic which I should research?
[10:01] <Nightrose> i don't know sorry
[10:02] <c2tarun> valorie: apachelogger ^^ can you please tell me few more topics for research :/
[10:02] <valorie> #phonon would be productive
[10:05] <c2tarun> valorie: the sample proposals are one hell of a proposals, there is no way I can make any proposal like that in next 10 hours :( still I'll try my level best
[10:06] <valorie> that's your goal, and I think you can do well if you concentrate
[11:17] <steveire> We seem to have cmake 2.8.3 in kubuntu natty. Will this be upped to 2.8.4?
[11:19] <Riddell> steveire: needs a good reason for it to get around feature freeze (assuming it has new features)
[11:19] <davmor2> Riddell: cause it's awesome! Or won't that cover it?
[11:20] <Riddell> well it might, if steveire thinks it's awesome it almost certainly is
[11:20] <Riddell> steveire: so go ahead and convince us :)
[11:48] <steveire> It might be a fix for by pet bug :) http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=12057
[11:49] <steveire> Though I don't expect that to be a good reason
[12:05] <c2tarun> Nightrose: ping
[12:07] <c2tarun> Nightrose: please look at this proposal now http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/c2tarun/1 I am working on implementation details and I dont have any idea how to decide time line :(
[12:10] <Riddell> steveire: kontact is working nicely on today's live CD, no akonadi or password issues
[12:11] <steveire> Riddell: That's good, but it's not what fedora people are saying... I wonder why
[12:11] <Riddell> on the other hand plasma-desktop is crashing, sigh
[12:22] <Nightrose> c2tarun: ok i will have a look
[12:24] <Nightrose> c2tarun: ok - can you break down your project into smaller pieces?
[12:24] <Nightrose> that is a first good step towards a timeline
[12:24] <Nightrose> what would you do first?
[12:24] <Nightrose> what's the step after that
[12:25] <c2tarun> Nightrose: I am exactly not able to decide the small parts, may be after reading something about JNI and creating plugin will help me. but that may take some. I can read about plugins quickly but using JNI is big.
[12:26] <Nightrose> ok
[12:26] <Nightrose> i can't help you more than that unfortunately as i am not familiar with the technology enough
[12:26] <c2tarun> Nightrose: no problem :) I'll try to make the report as better as possible :) before deadline
[12:27] <c2tarun> Nightrose: what if I write something about implementation and it may get wrong?
[12:28] <Nightrose> try to do your best and we'll see to the rest :)
[12:29] <c2tarun> Nightrose: ok :)(
[12:29] <c2tarun> :)
[12:51] <c2tarun> Nightrose: in proposal the timeline details are very much technical, I dont have that much technical information on the project. I simplified my project into these steps http://paste.kde.org/9211/ but I have no technical details to give :(
[12:52] <c2tarun> I was looking forward to mentor to point me to proper reference materials for the project.
[12:56] <c2tarun> Riddell: ping
[12:59] <Riddell> hello c2tarun
[13:00] <c2tarun> Riddell: hi :) you remember that you told me 2 mnths of contribution is required for kubuntu-membership?
[13:00] <Riddell> yes that's the usual recommendation
[13:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: I packed my first kde application (bangarang) 9 weeks ago.
[13:01] <Riddell> best start writing up your wiki page then :)
[13:02] <c2tarun> Riddell: is there any wiki page available of any kubuntu-member? that may help me in writing my page.
[13:02] <yofel> c2tarun: all members have a wiki page
[13:02]  * c2tarun looking
[13:03] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Membership example page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AnthonyMercatante
[13:03] <yofel> Riddell was faster ^^
[13:10] <c2tarun> apachelogger: please ping me when you come around.
[13:12] <c2tarun> what exactly is the difference between ubuntu membership and kubuntu membership except the fact the my contribution is more inclined to one of them?
[13:12] <Riddell> nothing
[13:12] <yofel> c2tarun: pretty much that, also kubuntu-members are also ubuntu-members
[13:12] <yofel> and you get one mail alias more
[13:13] <c2tarun> yofel: well I think way through kubuntu is easy then, kubuntu membership considers 2 months of contribution while ubuntu consider 6 mnths :)
[13:14] <JohnFlux> Hey
[13:15] <JohnFlux> In ksysguard, I merged some patches to add freebsd support
[13:15] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux
[13:15] <yofel> c2tarun: well, it's a point of view thing I guess, what matters is the commitment and the amount of contribution. I at least think you won't leave us soon ^^
[13:15] <JohnFlux> Unfortunately these patches accidentally removed a #include, which silently meant that Hardware Temperature Sensors no longer worked
[13:16] <JohnFlux> I fixed this just after KDE 4.6.2 was tagged
[13:16] <JohnFlux> It would be good if you could merge the one-liner fix to readd the include
[13:16] <c2tarun> yofel: not unless someone here starts charging me for contributing ;)
[13:17] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes can do, a post to kde-packagers is the best way to inform all distros, I think only subscribers can post so if you e-mail me the patch I can forward it then do what we do to get it into kubuntu
[13:17] <JohnFlux> It's not just ksysguard that is affected, but all the temperate plasmoids
[13:17] <yofel> c2tarun: lol, for now read the wiki pages and make sure to write up a good page about yourself and what you did for kubuntu
[13:17] <c2tarun> yofel: sure :)
[13:20] <JohnFlux> Riddell: done
[13:21] <Riddell> rbelem: how's plasma-mobile packages doing?
[13:35] <c2tarun> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/c2tarun is this page ok? or some more is needed?
[13:37] <yofel> c2tarun: simple but sufficient I guess, I'm not a good wiki designer though so let's see what the other say
[13:37] <yofel> c2tarun: one thing? can you make the LP id a link to your launchpad page?
[13:37] <yofel> s/?/:/
[13:37] <c2tarun> yofel: yup,
[13:41] <c2tarun> yofel: done
[13:42] <yofel> did you rename that page?
[13:42] <c2tarun> yofel: nope
[13:42] <c2tarun> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun
[13:43] <yofel> wtf, wiki.kubuntu.org says not found, wiki.ubuntu.com works o.O
[13:43] <c2tarun> yofel: yup I just noticed :/ why so?
[13:43] <yofel> no idea
[13:44] <c2tarun> hmmm.... what should I do next?
[13:45] <c2tarun> yofel: ^
[13:45] <yofel> looks ok to me, have the others look at it,
[13:48] <c2tarun> yofel: who r others?
[13:49] <yofel> the other members here? just ask them when you see them
[13:51] <c2tarun> kubuntu-members please look at my wiki page and please tell if any changes are required https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun thank you
[13:57] <c2tarun> is there any other work around except testing? (I mean if there is no what others are doing?)
[15:01] <c2tarun> Riddell shadeslayer can you please look at my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/c2tarun and tell me if anything else is needed there?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: I m -> I'm
[15:03] <shadeslayer> looks good otherwise
[15:05] <c2tarun> ok, how can I apply for kubuntu membership then?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> !member | c2tarun
[15:08] <yofel> c2tarun: it says so on the kubuntu/membership page
[15:08] <txwikinger> Has anybody else noticed that newly installed apps in natty appear in the menu under the Application tab in the K-menu, but they do not seem to be searchable in K-menu anymore
[15:10] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: works fine for me on PN
[15:12] <c2tarun> yofel: when should I give date for next meeting?
[15:12] <yofel> no idea, ask Riddell
[15:12] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: PN?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: Project Neon :P
[15:13] <c2tarun> Riddell:  when should I give date for next meeting?
[15:13] <txwikinger> Ah
[15:13] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: make a doodle
[15:13] <shadeslayer> and send it to the Kubuntu Devel mailing list
[15:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: doodle?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google doodle.com
[15:14] <kubotu> Results for doodle.com: 1. Doodle: easy scheduling: http://www.doodle.com/ | 2. Doodle: Create account: http://www.doodle.com/mydoodle/open.html | 3. Doodle: Frequently asked questions: http://www.doodle.com/about/faq.html
[15:14] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: ^^
[15:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i've forward ported akunambol to natty, please copy it to the archives
[15:19] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:19] <shadeslayer> i meant the official PPA
[15:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what should I mention in title?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu Meeting ? :D
[15:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: btw i think we had a meeting very recently, you might want to talk to Riddell before scheduling another one
[15:21] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: sure :)
[15:21] <c2tarun> Riddell:
[15:21] <c2tarun> ping
[15:26] <Riddell> hi c2tarun
[15:27] <c2tarun> Riddell: hi :) shadeslayer told me that there was meeting very recently. so how should I apply for kubuntu-membership?
[15:29] <Riddell> organise another meeting
[15:29] <c2tarun> Riddell: for what date?
[15:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: from where do I copy?
[15:31] <apachelogger> I could just make you member of the akunambol team :P
[15:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah one sec, i need to test the stuff first
[15:32] <Riddell> 15:13 < shadeslayer> c2tarun: make a doodle
[15:32]  * shadeslayer is waiting for stuff to build
[15:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that seems easier
[15:36] <c2tarun> what is the mailing list for kubuntu-devel?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude, have a look at my 2 proposals
[15:37] <apachelogger> you have a second too?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> the deadline is today, and tell me if they need anymore fixing
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes ... :P
[15:37] <apachelogger> well
[15:37]  * apachelogger is still writing his second
[15:38] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: KHelpCenter and?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Phonon?
[15:38] <apachelogger> pr0n
[15:39] <bambee> Is there something to do this evening ?
[15:39] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you proposed phonon project?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: no
[15:40]  * bambee is listening heligoland ... lovely... <3
[15:40] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: PIM Stuff and KDE Telepathy
[15:40] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I tried to propose but they asked for my experience in multimedia and programming on android :( so I thought about dropping plans for GSoC
[15:40] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: anyway what should I write in description of that doodle?
[15:41] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: didn't i tell you alread? :D
[15:41] <shadeslayer> *already
[15:41] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: that was topic for doodle, description?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> ah .. the agenda goes in there
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you read my phonon proposal?
[15:42] <yofel> bambee: testing kdevelop on mav, otherwise nothing official I think
[15:42] <apachelogger> it features all sorts of graphics ^^
[15:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no.. i'm not a mentor ... so ...
[15:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: show
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is the public
[15:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: linkie
[15:42]  * apachelogger likes to show off his thing
[15:42] <bambee> yofel: It's already backported ;)
[15:43] <yofel> bambee: I said testing :P
[15:43] <bambee> I have finished to backport it this morning :)
[15:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/apachelogger/1
[15:43] <bambee> Ohh
[15:43] <bambee> yofel: :D
[15:43] <bambee> ok
[15:44] <shadeslayer> oooh
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nice
[15:44] <shadeslayer> that gives me a idea
[15:44] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I mailed the doodle, do I still need to update kubuntu-meetings page?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: please do
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: porn?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: images inline with proposal
[15:47] <apachelogger> lol, and I thought something awesome :P
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have a video at the end ... no images tho ... :P
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you just edited raw HTML?
[15:48] <bambee> yofel: I can also help for KDE (however I will test kdevlop anyway) :)
[15:48] <yofel> well, we already release kde, so just hope it works :P
[15:48] <yofel> *released
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I wrote the flipping thing in googel docs :P
[15:50] <shadeslayer> O_)O
[15:50]  * apachelogger actually thinks that should be how that mumbo jumbo works
[15:50] <apachelogger> if I were web developer I would propose a melange project making melange have inter course with the gdata api
[15:51] <bambee> yofel: I mean, I can help on upstream (programming, bugfixes , and so on), so indirectly contribute to kubuntu :)
[15:51] <yofel> ah yeah sure, go ahead ^^
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/shadeslayer/1
[15:54] <apachelogger> pr0nz?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[15:54] <apachelogger> a
[15:54] <apachelogger> h
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: didnt I read that already?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but you didn't comment ... do you haz any comments?
[15:55] <apachelogger> no
[15:55] <apachelogger> me likes
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ooh :)
[15:55]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: remind me to buy beer for you again @ next UDS i come to ....
[15:55] <shadeslayer> or at the Desktop Summit ... if i make it there
[15:56]  * apachelogger notes that he will be one day late for the DS
[15:56] <apachelogger> my sis is getting married on august 6 it would appear
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: congrats :)
[15:56] <apachelogger> well, not me obviously :P
[15:56] <apachelogger> and being late is nothing one needs congratulations on :P
[15:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: pingo
[15:57] <apachelogger> oh noes
[15:57] <apachelogger> my hone is awayz :(
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the congrats is for her .. not you :P
[15:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do I do if I am running low on brain juice for KHC?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your idea seems solid, only problem, KHC seems dead
[15:57] <shadeslayer> like someone shot it in the head
[15:58] <apachelogger> hence the rewrite :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: integrate it with nepomuk and/or telepathy?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> like : Oh look! your friend who uses KDE is online, lets ask him!
[15:58] <apachelogger> for starters I would like to have it not be dead :P
[15:58]  * apachelogger does not really know what to write about the impl details
[15:59] <apachelogger> writing a lot there is like pre-designing the app
[15:59] <apachelogger> that is much against my agile attitude
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, eean had the terrific idea of putting the tasks of the tentative timeline into stories for a scrum backlog and split according to gsoc eval time lines into iterations
[16:01]  * apachelogger thinks this could go somewhere awesome
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: scrum backlog?
[16:01] <apachelogger> scrumdo.com is also pretty nice on that note
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: read up on the scrum
[16:01] <shadeslayer> yeah looking
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i also need to read up on Graph Theory
[16:01] <apachelogger> backlog is basically the collection of all stories (read tasks)
[16:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because it's usefull in modelling of networks?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> -l
[16:02] <apachelogger> I mean, other than graphs being generally useful and stuff ^^
[16:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is that?
[16:02] <apachelogger> I mean, you can model just about anything in graphs :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> yep, but since my domain is going to be networking, i thought it would be helpful to have a idea on how to use them
[16:03] <apachelogger> like world positions in a scenegraph ;)
[16:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so no particular use case yet?
[16:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not really, but it would be useful in the future .. i hope
[16:04] <apachelogger> well, especially with nepomuk in the mix I suppose a good use case will arise :)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: reading this atm : http://www.gladwell.com/blink/index.html
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0R01gP3m0
[16:06] <apachelogger> wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff!
[16:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happens if a feature was delayed by a week?
[16:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: order timey wimey detector
[16:08]  * kubotu slides timey wimey detector down the bar to apachelogger
[16:08] <shadeslayer> does scrum still split stuff according to the same timeline?
[16:08] <apachelogger> check it out this is my timey wimey detector ---> SDF@!@%---.
[16:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you do scrum
[16:09] <apachelogger> scrum is wibbley wobbly methodology stuff
[16:09] <apachelogger> unlike XP which is extremely precise
[16:09] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if a story did not get implemented within the target iteration that can mean a) the effort estimation was off -> look at other stories, how long did it take compared to their rating -> if off -> evaluate all pending stories again ... b) your too slow -> either get faster or you need to evaluate whether stories can be delayed to later timelines
[16:11]  * shadeslayer notes that there's no Button component in QML ....
[16:11] <apachelogger> b) in particular would probably mean removing storis/features from the scope fo the gsoc project
[16:12] <apachelogger> at any rate it brings the advantage that it is less likely you will end up with an unfinished unuseful project by the end of gsoc
[16:12] <apachelogger> as both you and your mentor have an idea of how well progress is going, so that appropraite steps can be taken to reduce scope
[16:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it factor in stuff like pressing engagements that might crop up and force one to not work for a week and put in extra effort the following week
[16:12] <apachelogger> equally scope can be increased if progress is good
[16:12] <shadeslayer> neat
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is within your range of decision
[16:13] <apachelogger> you say what stories go in what iteration
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ah .. interesting indeed
[16:13] <apachelogger> and you can do this easier because you estimated the difficulty yourself
[16:13] <apachelogger> so you probably should not stuff 2 stories of highest possible difficulty in a 2 weeks iteration of which you know one week will be spent on vacation ;)
[16:14] <shadeslayer> sweet man ....
[16:14] <apachelogger> but to advertise the general agile approach, as you would have projects for longer than the couple of weeks gsoc lasts you get better values of your overall project velocity
[16:15] <apachelogger> simplest value would be: how many points (i.e. difficulty of story) did you finish within the last couple of iterations
[16:16] <apachelogger> you would probably want to schedule stories that put together result in an equal amount of points for the next iteration
[16:16] <apachelogger> someone please get me some commas ^^
[16:17]  * shadeslayer hands a box full of ',''s to apachelogger
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sounds really neat
[16:35] <bambee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGkq7tAhfc LOL
[16:51] <rbelem> Riddell,
[16:52] <rbelem> i just upload the new package to revu
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bingo
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you seen the progressbar QML mockup?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the one with the multiple progress bars
[17:08] <apachelogger> no
[17:09] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: ping
[17:09] <rickspencer3> hi Daskreech
[17:09] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: Hello heard that Unity is in question for 11.04?
[17:10] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, well, it was discussed on @-desktop and @-devel
[17:10] <rickspencer3> it looks to not be an issue
[17:10] <rickspencer3> I think phoronix was being, perhaps, a bit sensationalist
[17:10] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: So no longer in question?
[17:10] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: hey. Eyeballs :)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:11] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, well, we haven't shipped yet, but the trend looks good
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: give me a sec okay
[17:12] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: what were the issues at the core of the discussion?
[17:12] <apachelogger> Daskreech: the supremacy of plasma
[17:12] <Daskreech> apachelogger: plasma wins that's not an issue
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: one sec is over :P
[17:12] <Daskreech> corona maybe
[17:13] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, I'm sorry, I wish I had time right at the moment to discuss with you, but I have some managery stuff I have to get done
[17:13] <apachelogger> valorie: pingy
[17:13] <rickspencer3> Daskreech, you can read all about it on the list though
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/declarative-ui-components-progressbar-content-progressbar-qml.html
[17:13] <Daskreech> rickspencer3: link from the Phoronix article?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats what i'm using in combination with : http://paste.kde.org/9231
[17:13]  * Daskreech goes to look for the article
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and then wat happens?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but  i can't quite figure out why i have multiple progress bar
[17:13] <shadeslayer> *bars
[17:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just from quick looky looky ... everytime a repeater gets created a progress bar gets created too
[17:14] <shadeslayer> oh ...
[17:15] <shadeslayer> whee
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thanks :)
[17:15] <apachelogger> did I ping valorie yet?
[17:15] <apachelogger> ah, I did
[17:15] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2011/apachelogger/8001
[17:16] <apachelogger> read and tell me if you likes plz
[17:16] <shadeslayer> 8001 :O
[17:16] <apachelogger> not that it would have any chance to stand against pron in phonon
[17:16] <shadeslayer> people are getting weird url's for their second proposal
[17:16] <shadeslayer> i guess it's based on the day you submit
[17:17] <apachelogger> today is day 8001 of the 15th age of the matrix
[17:18] <shadeslayer> O_O dh: unable to load addon kde: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 8) line 2.
[17:18] <shadeslayer> someone broke my precious dh
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you read the proposal and dont mess with perl
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: more likely pkg-kde-tools is either broken or not installed I suppose
[17:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: you used umbrello! bonus points!
[17:45]  * txwikinger cheers for umbrello
[17:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: also I know how to crash it reliably ^^
[17:55] <rbelem> Riddell, did you take a look in the pkg? :-)
[17:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[18:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmmm ... neat proposal :)
[18:08] <Riddell> rbelem: looking
[18:13] <Riddell> rbelem: hmm, this feels pretty broken
[18:14] <Riddell> rbelem: is it ment to look like this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-mobile.png
[18:16] <Riddell> talking of broken I can't find a way to fix the microblog applet, I think we'll have to not patch it and not have it in the default install
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[19:06] <Riddell> debfx: ping
[19:06] <Riddell> your 2.8.3-3ubuntu5 cmake upload has a debian autogenerated patch in it
[19:07] <Riddell> which i think reverts ubuntu_multiarch_library_directory.diff to an earlier version
[19:38] <valorie> apachelogger: pong
[19:41]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[19:42] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Daskreech
[19:43] <valorie> 15 mins or so until deadline for GSoC submissions......
[19:51] <shadeslayer> valorie: yep
[19:52]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} shadeslayer
[19:53]  * shadeslayer  {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}  valorie back
[19:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: i haz goosebumps
[19:53] <shadeslayer> and also i'm sleepy
[19:54] <Daskreech> What is good for the Goosebumps is good for the Ganderbumps
[19:54] <valorie> well, if your proposal is done, sleep!
[19:55] <shadeslayer> valorie: can't need to study for exam on monday
[19:55] <valorie> we can't announce anything for days -- don't even know how many slots we will get
[19:55] <valorie> more than 50, we hope
[19:55] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[19:55]  * valorie proscribes sleep-learning
[19:55] <shadeslayer> valorie: hopefully more :P
[19:55] <valorie> or power-napping
[19:55] <shadeslayer> valorie: i've tried .. i just ... keep sleeping once i sleep
[19:55] <shadeslayer> the only way to wake me up is pump me with coffee
[19:56] <shadeslayer> valorie: i was awake during day hours at UDS N just because of coffee
[19:57] <shadeslayer> valorie: going to budapest?
[19:58] <valorie> not sure -- I'm on the wait list
[19:58] <valorie> like last time
[19:58] <shadeslayer> another 2 mins right?
[19:58] <valorie> yes
[19:58] <shadeslayer> valorie: ah .. :)
[19:59] <valorie> counting down in kde-soc
[19:59] <valorie> :-)
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[20:23] <rbelem> Riddell, hum.. i will take a look on that
[20:25] <Riddell> rbelem: well did it look nicer for you when you ran it?
[20:27] <rbelem> Riddell, first time yes, but with  the black background
[20:28] <rbelem> Riddell, did it happen to you too?
[20:29] <rbelem> i will try in the vm
[22:29] <ScottK> Is Klipper plasmified in 4.6?
[22:30] <Riddell> no, it's an application using status notifiers
[22:31] <ScottK> The status notifiers are plasma?
[22:31] <ScottK> I'm trying to narrow down a screen corruption issue and so far it seem just to affect plasma type things.
[22:34] <Riddell> status notifiers get rendered by plasma yes
[22:35] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:02] <bambee> apachelogger: kcm-grub2 has been accepted into archives finally ? I don't find it
[23:04] <Riddell> bambee: it's still in New
[23:06] <bambee> Riddell: do you mean in the new packages queue ?
[23:06] <debfx> Riddell: interesting, could you remove it?
[23:11] <rbelem> Riddell, it is working fine in the vm
[23:12] <rbelem> Riddell, but without wallpaper
[23:14] <mu3en> works here with wallpaper
[23:16] <rbelem> mu3en, todays build?
[23:16] <Riddell> bambee: yes
[23:17] <bambee> ok
[23:20] <mu3en> no. not today's build. sorry.
[23:21] <rbelem> mu3en, np :-)
[23:31] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know about org.kde.qtextracomponents?
[23:32] <Riddell> rbelem: nope
[23:33] <rbelem> Riddell, i need to find where it lives
[23:33] <rbelem> Riddell, it is needed by the new plasma-mobile
[23:35] <Riddell> I don't know I'm afraid, maybe e-mail marco martin
[23:35] <rbelem> Riddell, http://is.gd/nbxNGy
[23:36] <rbelem> plasma-components
[23:36] <rbelem> didn't know about that
[23:41] <Riddell> can't get the source it seems https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=plasma-components&project=home%3Amkruisselbrink%3Akde
[23:52] <rbelem> Riddell, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=plasma-components&project=home%3Amkruisselbrink%3Akde