[12:00] <kiko> hello hello
[12:00] <kiko> am I early?
[12:00] <mwhudson> two hours early
[12:03] <kiko> wow!
[14:00] <gmb> Meeting time?
[14:00] <jtv> gmb: seems so
[14:00] <danilos> gmb: it indeed is
[14:01] <mrevell> gmb: Aye lad
[14:01] <danilos> me
[14:01] <danilos> me
[14:01] <mrevell> moi
[14:01] <kiko-fud> me
[14:02] <cprov> me
[14:02] <danilos> ok, kiko, will you lead the meeting? :)
[14:02] <kiko> I don't know how, but BjornT can sure do it!
[14:03] <jtv> danilos: just say "who will chair this meeting" in the middle of a "me" storm.
[14:03] <barry> me (but waiting for a phone call)
[14:03] <mthaddon> me
[14:04] <BjornT> well, since no one else volunteers....
[14:04] <BjornT> let's start this week's LP developer meeting
[14:04] <BjornT> who's here?
[14:04] <gmb> me
[14:04] <danilos> me
[14:04] <mwhudson> me
[14:04] <flacoste> me
[14:04] <adeuring> me
[14:04] <sinzui> me
[14:04] <barry> me
[14:05] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[14:05] <statik> me
[14:05] <mrevell> me
[14:05] <jtv> me
[14:05] <schwuk> me
[14:05] <SteveA> why are we having the meeting here?
[14:05] <kiko> SteveA, read the mailing list next time, but BjornT is chairing.
[14:05] <SteveA> I've been on vacation
[14:06] <kiko> good for you! :)
[14:06] <danilos> tis a pretty short list of attendees
[14:06] <jsk> me
[14:06] <kiko> indeed. cprov?
[14:07] <BjornT> bac and matsubara are on leave
[14:07] <kiko> salgado is on vacation too.
[14:07] <danilos> so is carlos
[14:07] <BjornT> allenap: ping - meeting time
[14:07] <cprov> me
[14:07] <allenap> me
[14:07] <allenap> BjornT: Thanks.
[14:07] <BjornT> == Agenda ==
[14:07] <BjornT>  * Roll call
[14:07] <BjornT>  * Agenda
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Actions from last meeting
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Bug tags
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[14:08] <BjornT>  * DBA report (stub)
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[14:08] <BjornT>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[14:08] <BjornT> ----
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Survey: Are you using lpreview yet? (mwhudson)
[14:08] <BjornT> ----
[14:08] <BjornT>  * Blockers
[14:08] <BjornT> * Next meeting
[14:08] <BjornT> who knows they will not be here next week?
[14:09] <danilos> I'm off to vacation next week
[14:09] <danilos> (back only on January 8th)
[14:09] <jtv> And carlos will still be away.
[14:09] <schwuk> I've got holiday planned for next Thurs as well
[14:09] <ddaa> me
[14:09] <danilos> so list is getting pretty short, with it being already short enough
[14:09] <danilos> ddaa: you sticking around for meeting next week?
[14:10] <ddaa> I should be at work in +=7days
[14:10] <BjornT> kiko: quite a lot of people will be away next week. still worth having a meeting?
[14:10] <kiko> BjornT, I think so, because it's post-rollout
[14:10] <kiko> BjornT, Rinchen will be here and I should be too
[14:10] <danilos> I'd say one could plan next meeting for next year, but yeah, it's post-rollout
[14:10] <BjornT> yes, good point.
[14:10] <BjornT> so, let's have a meeting next week, same time as usual
[14:11] <BjornT>  * Actions from last meeting
[14:11] <leonardr> me
[14:11] <cprov> i will be on vacations (probably), but I will attend the meeting
[14:11] <BjornT> there were no actions from last week
[14:11] <kiko> cprov! that's great to hear. :)
[14:11] <BjornT>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[14:11] <kiko> I am standing in for the great chinaman this week
[14:11] <BjornT> did matsubara send his oops report to anyone?
[14:11] <BjornT> thanks kiko
[14:11] <kiko> there are no, and I mean zero, OOPSes of note in the daily report
[14:12]  * flacoste cheers
[14:12] <kiko> there is one which is a bit odd, which is the +menudata one
[14:12] <kiko> here: OOPS-711A312
[14:12] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/711A312
[14:12] <kiko> flacoste, can someone take a quick look into that? I think it's shallow.
[14:12] <flacoste> i will
[14:13] <danilos> we are also getting increased number of timeouts due to ongoing hardy translations opening
[14:13] <kiko> the significant ones in the lpnet summaries
[14:13] <kiko> danilos, when is that going to end? I had an ETA of 15h on tuesday :-/
[14:13] <kiko> as I was saying
[14:13] <kiko> the significant ones in the lpnet summaries
[14:13] <kiko> are to do with the sane_description bug limit
[14:13] <kiko> which is fixed on staging
[14:13] <danilos> kiko: jtv should be tracking progress on that
[14:13] <kiko> and a bunch of Unicode* issues
[14:14] <kiko> danilos, okay. I'm just concerned about it
[14:14] <danilos> kiko: it's hard to handle it timely with only one admin around
[14:14] <mrevell_> Sorry, broadband problems. I won't be here next week.
[14:14] <kiko> jtv, let's talk about this after the meeting.
[14:14] <jtv> kiko: ok
[14:14] <BjornT> kiko: are you done?
[14:15] <kiko> BjornT, well, yeah. I wanted to point out only that a lot of tuesday oopses were related to the database being hammered by rosetta -- we even got some late pingdom alerts
[14:15] <kiko> timeouts and weird database integrity errors
[14:15] <jtv> constraint violations?
[14:15] <kiko> yeah
[14:16] <kiko> like +filebug crashing because there was no bugmessage there
[14:16] <kiko> it looks like race conditions right and left
[14:16] <BjornT> ok. no time to discuss that here, let's do that after the meeting.
[14:16] <BjornT> thanks kiko. moving on.
[14:16] <BjornT>  * Critical Bugs (mrevell)
[14:16] <mrevell> Hello, Joey's on vacation today.
[14:16] <mrevell> I only see one critical bug and it is marked Fix Committed.
[14:17] <mrevell> I presume there's nothing to report back to Joey on that. the bug number is
[14:17] <kiko> because we are a great team that fixes critical problems! :)
[14:17] <mrevell> 173096
[14:17] <mrevell> kiko: Yeah! :)
[14:17] <mrevell> bug 173096
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173096 in malone "Misleading "Content-Encoding: gzip" header on downloads" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173096
[14:17] <kiko> that's thank to bac
[14:17] <mrevell> Thanks bac. So, unless there's something to report back to Joey on that, I'l hand back to you BjornT
[14:17] <BjornT> thanks
[14:18] <BjornT>  * Bug tags
[14:18] <BjornT> no new bug tags have been proposed
[14:18] <BjornT>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[14:18] <mthaddon> Staging codehosting is getting close to completion
[14:18] <mthaddon> Staging update failed again but I believe it's now fixed per email from stub - will be doing a manual update after the meeting
[14:18] <mthaddon> Copy-missing-translations script still running...
[14:18] <mthaddon> PQM durations script broken and I'd appreciate if anyone could help me debug it
[14:18] <mthaddon> That's it unless anyone has questions
[14:18] <mwhudson> woo staging codehosting
[14:19] <danilos> mthaddon: cool, just the news I was looking for, thanks for the report
[14:19] <kiko> staging codehosting! wow!
[14:19] <BjornT> thanks mthaddon
[14:19] <kiko> mthaddon, what's left in that work?
[14:20] <kiko> (BjornT, allow me just that quick question)
[14:20] <BjornT> sure
[14:20] <mthaddon> kiko, thumper has a branch that will setup the configs and allow codehosting to be completed
[14:20] <kiko> mthaddon, will we have it in time for next week's QA
[14:20] <mwhudson> setting up the syncing of actual branch data i think
[14:20] <kiko> and are the code team planning on using it?
[14:20] <mwhudson> kiko: partly, i think
[14:20] <kiko> what's missing?
[14:20] <mthaddon> kiko, we need a separate configs directory - bzr-staging
[14:20] <mthaddon> with a bunch of custom config options
[14:21] <kiko> mthaddon, I think that's fine by me. flacoste see any problem with it?
[14:21] <mthaddon> discussed yesterday with thumper - not sure if it's already been submitted
[14:21] <flacoste> kiko: nope, apart the usual config PITA
[14:21] <mthaddon> but it just missed last night's update
[14:21] <kiko> I think that landed today, didn't it?
[14:21] <mwhudson> kiko: it'll be hard to test stuff to do with mirrored branches, i think
[14:22] <kiko> mwhudson, hmmm. ok, tell me this after the meeting. thanks!
[14:22] <mwhudson> yeah, the config branch landed a couple of hours ago
[14:22] <BjornT> ok, moving on
[14:22] <BjornT>  * DBA report (stub)
[14:22] <BjornT> stub is not here. mthaddon, do you have a dba report?
[14:22] <mthaddon> mwhudson, cool, I can do a manual update and it should be up and running then
[14:22] <mthaddon> BjornT, fraid not
[14:23] <BjornT> ok
[14:23] <kiko> I have some DBA issues that might be worth mentioning
[14:23] <BjornT> kiko: sure
[14:23] <kiko> there is a small snag with patch 88-31-0 that is causing staging updates to fail, but it's already good; we'll do a manual rev now and it should work automatically tomorrow. if it doesn't please don't let it go by unnoticed
[14:23] <kiko> we are considering upgrading the DB server hardware in the near future
[14:24] <kiko> and stub's been working on the replication stuff which will be a welcome improvement
[14:24] <kiko> does anyone have any DB patches that still need review or haven't landed yet?
[14:24] <kiko> there is a small window of opportunity for us if you do need something
[14:24] <kiko> I remember tom berger had mentioned a change but I've forgotten what it was
[14:24] <kiko> anyone else?
[14:25] <mwhudson> i have one change but it's no trivial i doubt it's worth it
[14:25] <mwhudson> bug 151583
[14:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151583 in launchpad-bazaar "codeimportresult.date_started should be renamed to date_job_started" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151583
[14:25] <allenap> I need a correction to security.cfg. Does that count?
[14:25] <kiko> yes it counts
[14:25] <BjornT> kiko: tom's patch would be about renaming the janitor. it's that that important, we can do it in the next cycle.
[14:25] <BjornT> kiko: s/that/not/
[14:25] <adeuring> I'd like to get lxml install at least for the PQM machine
[14:26] <adeuring> s/install/installed/
[14:26] <BjornT> adeuring: that's not a db patch, though! ;)
[14:26] <kiko> adeuring, that needs an IS RT ticket, and an email to joey CC: launchpad to track it
[14:26] <kiko> BjornT, okay, no problem.
[14:26] <adeuring> kiko: I know; I already have a ticket
[14:26] <kiko> allenap, can I see the diff anywhere? it should be rs=BjornT or something though
[14:26] <flacoste>  BjornT: renaming the janitor shouldn't need a DB patch?
[14:26] <allenap> kiko: Not yet, but I'll get it to you asap.
[14:27] <flacoste> it's only modify production data, no?%
[14:28] <BjornT> flacoste: right. it's less error prone doing it with a db patch, though.
[14:28] <kiko> BjornT, I think it was something else that tom wanted IIRC
[14:28] <flacoste> BjornT: putting a script to run on LaunchpadProductionStatus usually works fine also
[14:28] <BjornT> kiko: maybe, let's look at that after the meeting.
[14:28] <kiko> BjornT, hokay
[14:28] <BjornT> moving on. talk to kiko about db patches, if you have any.
[14:28] <BjornT>  * Sysadmin requests (mrevell)
[14:29] <kiko> yes, talk to me. and send me money too
[14:29] <mrevell> Does anyone have an RT number that they'd like to see chased up?
[14:29]  * kiko looks at adeuring
[14:29]  * kiko looks at barry
[14:29] <flacoste> kiko, Rinchen is well aware of those
[14:29] <jtv> mrevell: after staging is back on track, we'd like a re-run of that statistics script.
[14:30] <adeuring> Yes... let me look for the number...
[14:30] <flacoste> i think that elmo is currently taking care of #29298 (mailman on staging)
[14:30]  * barry sends kiko a meelion dollars
[14:30] <adeuring> ticket #29558
[14:30] <mrevell> jtv: Is there an RT number with that?
[14:30] <jtv> mrevell: mine is #29586.
[14:30] <mrevell> thanks adeuring
[14:30] <mrevell> thanks jtv
[14:30] <kiko> good man adeuring
[14:30] <statik> mthaddon: our squid setup on staging and production, I'd like to talk with you about that sometime after this meeting
[14:30] <mthaddon> statik, sure
[14:31] <kiko> statik, yeah, the feeds cache is important with this release because of announcements
[14:31] <mrevell> I'll see if I can get a status from the sysadmin chaps on those and will report back. Thanks BjornT
[14:31] <BjornT> thanks
[14:31] <kiko> indeed thanks BjornT
[14:31] <BjornT>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[14:31] <mrevell> Ah me again
[14:31] <mrevell> For today's user affecting issue, I'd like to raise bug 139495 and an associated problem.
[14:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139495 in launchpad "Beta testers are redirected even when logged out" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139495
[14:31] <mrevell> mpt's bug report describes how, although not logged in, he was redirected to edge when following a link from Google. This was because he already had the cookie to say he was a beta tester.
[14:31] <kiko> hmmmm
[14:31] <mrevell> The associated problem is reported as when a beta tester logs in at launchpad.net, on a browser without previous LP session cookies, they are redirected to edge.launchpad.net where they are required to log in again.
[14:31] <kiko> okay. so we should clear that cookie when logging out?
[14:32] <mrevell> Logging out from edge results in a redirect to launchpad.net where the user is still logged in. Trying to log out from launchpad.net results in a redirect to edge, where the user is already logged out.
[14:32] <kiko> flacoste, what do you think?
[14:32] <flacoste> is jamesh around?
[14:32] <statik> this annoys me every single day
[14:32] <jtv> sometimes it'd be nice to have a production.launchpad.net
[14:32]  * flacoste doesn't know the details of that to have an opinion
[14:33] <statik> well, the logging in twice annoys me. I don't do the logout thing that often
[14:33] <flacoste> but I know the redirection coed also cause problems in the tests
[14:33] <flacoste> but that's probably another issue
[14:34] <mrevell> Perhaps I should raise this on the list and then we can discuss further.
[14:34] <flacoste> mrevell: i'll look into this
[14:34] <mrevell> thanks flacoste
[14:34] <BjornT> thanks mrevell
[14:34] <BjornT>  * Survey: Are you using lpreview yet? (mwhudson)
[14:34] <sinzui> me
[14:34] <statik> not me
[14:34] <gmb> me
[14:34] <barry> not me (haven't had a new branch yet)
[14:34]  * mwhudson hopes the topic is clear, i mailed the list a week ago
[14:34] <flacoste> not me
[14:34] <ddaa> yes, lpreview is love
[14:34] <BjornT> me
[14:34] <jtv> not me
[14:35] <EdwinGrubbs> not me
[14:35] <kiko> thanks guys.
[14:35] <danilos> not me
[14:35] <kiko> I haven't tried lpreview yet.
[14:35] <mwhudson> those who haven't: please try
[14:35] <jsk> not yet
[14:35] <allenap> not me
[14:35] <kiko> so
[14:35] <mwhudson> those who have: please tell me where it sucks
[14:35] <BjornT> those of you who answered 'not me', why aren't you using it?
[14:35] <kiko> by next week
[14:35] <kiko> those who said "not me"
[14:35] <kiko> please try it at least once and have feedback to submit
[14:36] <danilos> kiko: I won't have a chance to do that by next week
[14:36] <kiko> mwhudson, I will tell you this: I will be really motivated to use it when it has a backend.
[14:36] <ddaa> got feedback
[14:36] <kiko> danilos, vacationers are excused.
[14:36]  * mwhudson points kiko at gmb
[14:36]  * barry will try it for his next new branch
[14:36] <kiko> gmbeeee
[14:36] <mwhudson> but yeah
[14:36] <allenap> Is it a replacement for the general queue, or in addition?
[14:36] <danilos> ok
[14:36] <mwhudson> allenap: addition at the moment
[14:36] <flacoste> i asked for a feature that it outputs the thing you can paste on PendingReviews
[14:36] <ddaa> allenap: ATM it works best with on-call reviewers
[14:37] <mwhudson> flacoste: yeah, i'll try and do that today
[14:37] <gmb> kiko: Let me get my bugs work out of the way and I'll make you very happy. In a coding sense.
[14:37] <allenap> Cool, I'll give it a go :)
[14:37] <mwhudson> flacoste: can you send a mail to remind me? :)
[14:37] <kiko> gmb, O K!!
[14:37] <flacoste> mwhudson: i will
[14:37] <mwhudson> thanks
[14:38] <mwhudson> BjornT: enough on this, i think
[14:38] <BjornT> ok. so those who haven't tried lpreview yet, please do so until next week
[14:38] <BjornT> moving on
[14:38] <BjornT>  * Blockers
[14:38] <BjornT> Bugs team: not blocked
[14:38] <flacoste> Foundations Team: Blocked on MailMan setup on staging (RT #29298)
[14:38] <jtv> Translations team: not blocked
[14:38] <statik> lpcomm team: not blocked
[14:38] <kiko> I know I am blocking: bjorn on comment imports and reviewing the bugzilla spec
[14:39] <cprov> Soyuz team: not blocked (cprov-only this week)
[14:39] <mrevell> Releases team: Not blocked.
[14:39] <schwuk> HWDB: No
[14:39] <kiko> schwuk and adeuring on some hwdb org updates
[14:39] <ddaa> Code team: not blocket
[14:39] <kiko> and maybe cprov needs to look over soyuz 1.1.12 final?
[14:39] <schwuk> kiko: True, but on the current work, no
[14:40] <BjornT> anyone from SC here?
[14:40] <kiko> I think they are boycotting this channel <wink>
[14:41] <BjornT> ok, except for SC, it should be all
[14:41] <cprov> kiko:  sure, I'm dealing with the last trivial bugs (some wip will slip for 1.2.1, for sure)
[14:41] <BjornT> thanks guys
[14:41] <BjornT> MEETING ENDED
[14:41] <jtv> BjornT: thanks for running the show again :)
[14:41] <kiko> cprov, no problemo. let's chat tonight.
[14:41] <mwhudson> BjornT: thanks
[14:41] <cprov> kiko: ta
[14:41] <kiko> BjornT, you're good at this! but I would like flacoste to run the next one, if he could
[14:41] <mrevell> thanks BjornT
[14:41] <flacoste> kiko: sure
[14:42] <BjornT> kiko: sure, i don't mind someone else doing it :)
[14:42] <kiko> thanks francis
[14:42] <kiko> you are a good volunteer
[14:43] <flacoste> kiko: i'm especially good at being volunteered ;-)
[14:43] <kiko> not surprised at that. :)
[15:06] <kiko-phone> danilos, you want to get your hostmask fixed, yeah?
[15:06] <danilos> kiko-phone: yeah
[15:06] <kiko-phone> and you're identified?
[15:06] <danilos> kiko-phone: yes
[15:06] <kiko-phone> okay. let's get an admin
[15:06] <danilos> kiko-phone: basically, "danilo" has mine, and I am "danilos" on freenode :)
[15:07] <kiko-phone> oh!
[15:08] <danilos> kiko-phone: yeah, tell that to mako who spent some time trying to convince "danilo" how he should remember him :)
[15:08] <kiko-phone> lol
[15:10] <danilos> kiko-phone: I'll have to go out now, will be back later: do you need me for this?
[15:10] <kiko-phone> danilos, I don't think so. I'm still waiting for a response on #freenode
[15:11] <danilos> kiko-phone: ok, cool, thanks a lot
[15:11] <kiko-phone> thanks to you


[00:21] <James_Epp> Sorry, CarlFK. Winblows crashed on me.
[01:20] <James_Epp> CarlFK: Looks like it was d-i time/zone string . I'm going to try America/Winnipeg instead of Canada/Central and see how that goes.
[01:28] <CarlFK> I was wondering about that but I figured a Canadian would be on top of it
[01:32] <James_Epp> Never, man :P
[01:33] <James_Epp> If that ends up being it I'm going to be upset. Because in a full ubuntu install Canada/Central is a direct symlink to America/Winnipeg . Seems a bit silly that one should work and another doesn't.
[02:13] <James_Epp> Yup, totally started working. Thanks for all the help, CarlFK.
[02:14] <CarlFK> woot


[05:06] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:07] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[05:07] <superfly> yopi'
[05:07] <superfly> *you're up early today
[05:07] <Kilos> actually i up similar times nearly everyday but today its not as cold so i braved getting outa bed
[05:07] <Kilos> hehe
[05:08] <superfly> hehehe
[07:32] <sakhi> Morning
[07:42] <superfly> hi sakhi
[07:57] <Squirm> morning
[08:35] <Kilos> hiya Squirm
[09:27] <sakhi> hmmm
[09:27] <sakhi> I might loose connection
[09:44] <inetpro> wb sakhi
[09:44] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[19:13] <Symmetria> ullo :)
[19:21] <Squirm> lo Symmetria
[20:44] <inetpro> good evening
[20:44] <queery> hi
[20:48] <inetpro> hi queery
[20:49] <queery> gdy
[20:49] <queery> gday


[11:54] <rick_h_> morning
[11:54] <rick_h_> long CHC tonight
[11:56] <snap-l> w00t
[12:07] <snap-l> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/4805 <- Check the Rights and Access portion of this recording
[12:08] <snap-l> 1915, and they still claim copyright
[12:08] <snap-l> What the fuck.
[12:10] <brousch> Your art should provide for your great, great grandchildren or it's not worth doing
[12:13] <snap-l> http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/1 <- 1902, and still protected.
[12:15] <snap-l> Well, there goes one of the ideas for my classical podcast
[12:16] <brousch> Make your own music, thief!
[12:17] <snap-l> Sure thing. Let me first resurrect Sergei Rachmaninoff and I'll get right on recording him
[12:22] <brousch> Kickstart that shit!
[12:24] <snap-l> Thank you. Just tweeted that.
[12:29] <brousch> What is ht?
[12:29] <snap-l> Hat Tip
[12:29] <brousch> ah
[12:42] <rick_h_> man, this is nuts: http://goo.gl/kxTzA
[12:43] <rick_h_> I know what I'm going to do, forget beach comber, I want to just quit and go become a bomb hunter
[12:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: War is never as clean and tidy as people might be lead to believe
[12:44] <snap-l> I'm sure your children's children will be dealing with unexploded ordinance from the early 20th century.
[12:52] <rick_h_> reminder all, CHC early tonight snap-l Blazeix widox PainBank
[12:52] <rick_h_> derekv: ^^
[13:01] <widox> woo
[13:02] <widox> rick_h_: offer still available to borrow a keyboard or two?
[13:02] <rick_h_> widox: oh, yea thanks for reminding me
[13:02] <rick_h_> I'll stack them by the door
[13:02] <widox> sweet, thanks
[13:06] <brousch> snap-l: Ug, we need an earlier time for the jam
[13:11] <snap-l> brousch: If someone can come through, that would be awesome
[13:16] <jrwren> i forgot it is open week. was there any good content yesterday?
[13:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: no idea, I should be ashamed
[13:17] <jrwren> snap-l: do teh podcast, wiat for (C) holders to invoke their rights.
[13:18] <jrwren> snap-l: if you don't want the liability, do the podcast under my name, I'll pay you to do it, so the liability is mine :p
[13:19] <jrwren> s/open week/developer week/
[13:19] <derekv> rick_h_: retweeted.
[13:19] <derekv> will try to make it
[13:19] <derekv> i have worky work to do but maybe i can find a way to bring some of it
[13:20] <jrwren> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek  looks like the things i'm interested in are today.
[13:20] <rick_h_> derekv: hah, we had a buy bring dev tv tuner hardware to work on at CHC so surely your work can travel :P
[13:21] <snap-l> jrwren: Heh
[13:21] <rick_h_> oh hmm, I should have checked out the arm stuff yesterday
[13:21] <rick_h_> I keep almost hitting buy on one of those arm 1U boxes on newegg
[13:22] <brousch> You don't need one. Use your phone
[13:22] <rick_h_> maybe juju today
[13:22] <rick_h_> my phone can't run jenkins :P
[13:22] <rick_h_> or more like...I don't want my phone running jenkins
[13:22] <jrwren> any pythonistas use buildbot ?
[13:22] <rick_h_> launchpad is on it :(
[13:23] <rick_h_> but one day we're supposed to get from it to jenkins
[13:23] <rick_h_> maybe in 2015
[13:23] <jrwren> why not enhance buildbot.
[13:23] <rick_h_> because it's fail
[13:23] <jrwren> fix it?
[13:23] <jrwren> or would it be better to restart?
[13:23] <rick_h_> and jenkins is better and it's use is the new standard
[13:23] <jrwren> true, but jre makes me cry.
[13:24] <rick_h_> you'll cry less than buildbot will make you cry
[13:24] <brousch> Pure Python all the things!
[13:24] <rick_h_> and it's much more active, supported, and lots of pretty features
[13:24] <rick_h_> bah, language snobs fail :P
[13:24] <jrwren> good answers.
[13:24] <rick_h_> as long as I don't have to dev for it :)
[13:24] <jrwren> its more the runtime than the langauge that bugs me.
[13:25] <jrwren> I feel like considering a software's pedigree should slightly impact decision to use it.
[13:25] <rick_h_> the software or the language?
[13:25] <rick_h_> I guess are we talking about jenkins or jre when you say that?
[13:26] <jrwren> jre
[13:27] <derekv> my head frikn hurts
[13:29] <derekv> i'm having one of those mornings where it feels like my soul is lagging somewhat behing my mind, which is lagging far behind my body, which is barely moving
[13:31] <jrwren> i never did get the hang of wednesdays.
[13:33] <rick_h_> http://www.lematinal.com/mobile/technologie/18274-Samsung-Pays-Apple-1-Billion-Sending-30-Trucks-Full-of-5-Cents-Coins.html lmao!!!!!
[13:46] <derekv> i wish
[13:51] <snap-l> taking fatherinlaw to hospital
[13:51] <rick_h_> everything ok?
[13:51] <jjesse> oh no
[13:51] <jjesse> hope things are ok
[13:51] <snap-l> can't walk, but otherwise ok
[14:02] <jjesse> rick_h_ while that samsung story would be assume, they are appealing the deal right?  so it can't be true that they are paying
[14:03] <rick_h_droid> jjesse yea didn't verify it but made me smile
[14:04] <rick_h_droid> http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/read/samsung-is-not-paying-apple-1-05-billion-in-coins/019178
[14:14] <snap-l> oh pshaw
[15:05] <brousch> Do you go back after a pip freeze and remove dependencies that were added by the packages you actually added?
[15:06] <brousch> Like I install localwiki, which installs django-honeypot. Should I go into the requirements.txt and remove django-honeypot?
[15:06] <rick_h_> don't store the pip freeze in those cases
[15:07] <rick_h_> manually make sure you keep up your setup.py and requirements.txt and that you have a builder that runs tests to make sure your project builds with the right deps
[15:07] <rick_h_> because if you get an updated django-honeypot, but they update a dep, and you've got it locked from a previous pip freeze, you can break things in crazy ways
[15:08] <rick_h_> pip freeze is a helpful tool, but I'm against pip freeze > requirements.txt unless you're doing it from master to production and you rerun that process after successful builds down the road
[15:10] <brousch> Interesting
[15:10] <brousch> So you manually build your requirements.txt?
[15:10] <rick_h_> it started out from a pip freeze, but yes, I manually change it from now on
[15:11] <brousch> Ug, this thing needs solr
[15:11] <rick_h_> hah
[15:12] <brousch> This is abig ang gnarly as Bookie :P
[15:12] <brousch> Darn complicated programs needing a bunch of dependencies
[15:12] <rick_h_> even bookie does't need solr :P and it has a makefile to make life easier
[15:12] <brousch> Yeah, I'm building a makefile for our localwiki instance
[15:13] <rick_h_> wtf...this honeypot thing needs solr?
[15:13] <brousch> No, localwiki needs it
[15:13] <rick_h_> oic
[15:13] <rick_h_> yea, that's what I've been avoiding with bookie. Getting tied to only fulltext search implementation
[15:13] <rick_h_> interfaces ftw
[15:13] <brousch> Have to start up a solr server now
[15:15] <rick_h_> there are a few services for running solr as a service
[15:15] <rick_h_> but ugh
[15:15] <brousch> they use jetty
[15:18] <shakes808> Good morning all
[15:19] <shakes808> Sorry for the delay. Got in a car accident this morning on my way to work.
[15:20] <shakes808> And I won't be at CHC tonight. I have to go meet up with my son's first grade teacher on the other end of town (harrison township) :(
[15:25] <snap-l> shakes808: sorry to hear that
[15:38] <snap-l> Sitting in the emergency room.
[15:38] <shakes808> You are sitting in the ER?
[15:39] <snap-l> father in law is in the emergency room
[15:39] <shakes808> Sorry to hear that
[15:40] <shakes808> What for if you don't mind me asking?
[15:40] <snap-l> np.  As in, it starts maximized on my laptop screen, I want to alt-drag it to my monitor, in doing so, it goes full screen, so I hit F11 to exit that, and it goes back over to my laptop.
[16:50] <greg-g> good thing I only use Chromium for flash videos, goo.gl, and pr0... er... nothing else
[16:53] <snap-l> greg-g: I'm sure the GNOME Shell developer have a perfectly reasoned out reason fr it doing that.
[16:54] <brousch> Welcome to Gnome3!
[16:54] <Blazeix> well, your average user doesn't use maximize, so you're really testing out the edge-cases of the system.
[16:54] <Blazeix> it's going to be deprecated in version 3.5
[16:55] <brousch> Are you being sarcastic?
[16:56] <snap-l> The average user also thinks Windows is just ducky
[16:59] <greg-g> snap-l: Fx does the right thing, along with all other apps, it is just Chromium
[16:59] <greg-g> brousch: ^
[17:00] <snap-l> hurm
[17:00] <snap-l> Chrome also does some weird things with window barriers
[17:00] <snap-l> s/barriers/borders/
[17:01] <snap-l> Did you try native?
[17:04] <shakes808> rick_h_: You available? JS question.
[17:07] <brousch> Son of a ... solr is 87MB. Is git going to be mad about that in my repo?
[17:10] <brousch> Wait, I should download it as part of the dev setup
[17:10] <greg-g> native?
[17:11] <snap-l> greg-g: There's a switch to use the naitve borders
[17:11]  * greg-g looks in a second
[17:11] <greg-g> snap-l: that was the issue
[17:12] <snap-l> ;)
[17:14] <greg-g> that's understandable then
[18:52] <rick_h_> heh, time for a new camera http://goo.gl/GlmrW
[19:04] <greg-g> whoa, for real? nice
[19:10] <jrwren> how can I tell a new style class v. old style class at runtime?
[19:10] <jrwren> <class 'mod.blah'> is newstyle, right?
[19:10] <jrwren> oh, nevermind.
[19:12] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/768/ jrwren
[19:25] <jrwren> and if you had typed just Test to eval the class object, you would have got <class 'Test'>
[19:40] <jcastro> hey rick_h_
[19:40] <jcastro> got that url to those AV guys?
[19:40] <jcastro> they install TVs and stuff too I assume?
[19:47] <snap-l> jcastro: You still need to come over for the Squeezebox demo
[19:47] <snap-l> when you're not farting around witht eh fishes in Atlanta.
[19:48] <snap-l> ;)
[20:18] <Blazeix> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/
[20:19] <greg-g> crazy, eh?
[20:21] <Blazeix> i choose to imagine obama slumped in his chair, cheek on his fist, lazily scrolling though the comments
[20:21] <greg-g> :)
[20:23] <jjesse> and reedit is now dead
[20:23] <brousch> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu reddit is under heavy load right now, sorry.  One more thing to figure out and this will be a thing of beauty
[20:37] <snap-l> wow
[20:37] <snap-l> that is awesome
[23:05] <dsschnau_> hi... there wouldn't happen to be anyone here at caribou in birmhingham for coffee coders?
[23:06] <rick_h_> boooo
[23:06] <rick_h_> oh yea, we're in the back dsschnau_
[23:07] <dsschnau_> oh cool, one sec
[23:07] <rick_h_> dsschnau_: we're over at the caribou in woodward/13mi
[23:07] <rick_h_> is that birmingham?
[23:07] <dsschnau_> yeah... i'm in the main part
[23:07] <dsschnau_> yeah
[23:07] <rick_h_> dsschnau_: ah cool yea back part
[23:29] <rick_h_> upvotes please http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/z1m4h/what_are_the_most_interesting_pyramid_projects/
[23:29] <rick_h_> see if we can't get another wave :)


[01:11] <ChibaPet> !info zfs-on-linux
[01:12] <ChibaPet> !info spl
[01:12] <ChibaPet> !info spl-solaris
[01:12] <ChibaPet> hrm
[01:12] <ChibaPet> oh well
[01:19] <ChibaPet> !info zfs-initramfs
[07:02] <goddard> new update requires you to disable UEFI?
[07:08] <goddard> Your system has UEFI Secure Boot enabled. UEFI Secure Boot is not compatible with the use of third-party drivers.
[07:09] <goddard> is this from the recently compiled nvidia driver?
[07:09] <goddard> 352?
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:02] <z4sk4> hi all
[09:03] <z4sk4> is fixed the install on kubuntu 16.04?
[09:03] <lordievader> z4sk4: Try it, I'd like to know ;)
[09:09] <z4sk4> ok lordievader , i will download the last
[09:16] <z4sk4> lordievader: still the bug, but one error was fixed
[09:16] <lordievader> What bug exactly?
[09:16] <z4sk4> only have 1 now
[09:17] <z4sk4> ubi-.prepare.py line 344 in ok_handler secureboot_key= self.ui.get_secureboot_key()
[09:17] <z4sk4> its an atribute error
[09:18] <lordievader> Bug #1529450?
[11:46] <z4sk4> lordievader: yeah, that bug
[11:46] <z4sk4> its the same upgrade from 15.04? or i can have issues?
[11:47] <z4sk4> can i have*
[11:54] <z4sk4> well i fix that bug comment the code...
 somebody can paste /boot/grub/grub.cfg from xenial installaton for me the installer failed to install grub and i dont have grub.cfg pls ? no one ?
[12:26] <ozmage> hello
[12:38] <ozmage> hello somebody can paste /boot/grub/grub.cfg for me is because the installer failed to install grub and now i dont have grub.cfg and im booting from grub from my arch installation ,pls
[12:41] <ozmage> https://bpaste.net/show/9ece13d5ad27 also im having a gpu hang after resume from hibernation
[12:42] <ozmage> i need some help with that ^
[12:42] <ozmage>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-2-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 380  @ 2.53GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 933MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.6GiB, 74.1% free ** Disk: Total: 88.8GiB, 37.7% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82577LC Gigabit Network Connection **
[12:42] <ozmage> Uptime: 14m 49s **
[13:04] <mifritscher> moin
[13:06] <mifritscher> as online search doesn't find anything: I got a "chown: cannot access '/usr/lib/utempter': No such file or directory" while configuring ibutempter0:amd64. http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=utempter&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any says that their is a path called this, but the deb-file has only /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/utempter .
[13:07] <mifritscher> should I do a sort of "brute-fix" (e.g. by a symlink) for now or is there a real fix?
[13:45] <neil_> I am having trouble installing 15.10 ... how stable is 16.04 atm
[13:47] <daek_> "Pre-release versions are unstable and will probably break your computer. ", says /topic
[13:49] <BluesKaj> neil_, where did you get that iso from/
[14:56] <lordievader> z4sk4: Yes you can upgrade 15.10 to 16.04 with "sudo do-release-uograde -d".
[15:00] <z4sk4> lordievader: well i comment 3 lineas and install perfect
[15:00] <z4sk4> i supposed in the next upgrades will fix that file
[15:01] <z4sk4> lordievader: do you know when will be the estable release?
[15:01] <z4sk4> i will like have our special distro just after the estable
[15:45] <ozmage>  https://bpaste.net/show/9ece13d5ad27 gpu hang with kernel 4.4.0
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: your on xenial?
[15:46] <ozmage> yes
[15:46] <ozmage>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-2-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 380  @ 2.53GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 933MHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.6GiB, 78.9% free ** Disk: Total: 177.6GiB, 36.8% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82577LC Gigabit Network Connection **
[15:46] <ozmage> Uptime: 38m 49s **
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: did you fresh install or upgrade?
[15:46] <ozmage> fresh
[15:47] <ozmage> with the last snapshot
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: what grafix chipset and driver?
[15:48] <ozmage> but that gpuhang only happend when i resume from hibernation
[15:48] <ozmage> intel ironlake
[15:48] <ozmage> i965 using i915 kernel module
[15:51] <mifritscher> ozmage: ah, also a ironlake user? Do you have hangs/crashes using 14.04/16.04., e.g. when using 3d programs/games? or only during resuming?
[15:51] <ozmage> only when i resume from hibernation
[15:52] <ozmage> everything is fine
[15:52] <ozmage> i discovered that initramfs-tools put the i915 kernel module in the initramfs now
[15:53] <ozmage> i installed dracut
[15:53] <ozmage> and the module is out the initrd,img
[15:53] <ozmage> and now i dont get gpu hang
[15:54] <ozmage> this only happend when the module is in the initramfs
[15:54] <ozmage> this only happend when the module i915 is in the initramfs
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> ozmage, mifritscher how about you guys file a bug for this
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> to make xenial a nice experience in april
[15:55] <mifritscher> lotuspsychje: I'm not 100% sure whether it is software or hardware
[15:56] <ozmage> mifritscher, you have that problem too ?
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> mifritscher: doesnt matter mate, devs might take a look at it
[15:56] <mifritscher> ozmage: not yet (but toggled only 1-2times)
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> we are still in test phase right now
[15:58] <ozmage> im using xorg-server and all the drivers from X - staging ppa and everything is working fine now after remove i915 kernel module from the initrd.img
[15:58] <ozmage> xorg-server 1.18
[15:59] <ozmage> no gpu hang at all
[15:59] <ozmage> after resume from hibernate
[16:01] <mifritscher> lotuspsychje: I've bigger problems right now - see the language problem (the environment variable LANGUAGE="de_DE:en" seems to be wrong), the utempter thing (which I've fixed with brute for now) and the fact that the 4.4 kernel is searching for btrfs forever (have no btrfs, only luks+ext4)
[16:02] <mifritscher> lotuspsychje: is there a "current status" / "known issues" or somethink like this anywhere?
[16:02] <mifritscher> I know only https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> mifritscher: hmm not sure, the best you can do is file a bug really against the problematic package, this will launch the bug in the right url
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> mifritscher: its its duplicate, resolved or not relevant, devs will check it out anyway
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> the more info they know, the better in this test phase
[16:09] <spm_draget> On xenial, systemd is used and one starts services with 'systemctl start foo'. But 'service foo start' is still available. Does the later one just call systemctl or why is that?
[16:10] <ozmage> i think im going to install a custom kernel :(
[16:12] <ozmage> i like to have plymouth splash and now without i915 inside the initrd.img i cant get a smooth splash
[16:12] <ozmage> without flickering
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: maybe a kernel bootline is what you need?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: i really really recommend file a bug mate...
 ozmage: maybe a kernel bootline is what you need? ... no i dont think so
[16:14] <ozmage> any way is not ubuntu bug is a kernel bug
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: ok then file a bug against the kernel
[16:15] <ozmage> this happend to me on other distros with the kernel 4.3 and up to 4.4 4.5-rc* i compilled all those kernels
[16:15] <ozmage> i did
[16:16] <ozmage> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108601
[16:16] <ozmage> but no one looked at it
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> ozmage: try doing the same but for ubuntu xenial
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> 4.4 is official, so they need to know whats wrong
[16:17] <ozmage> ok
[16:17] <spm_draget> Should I use 'systemctl start foo' or 'service foo restart' on xenial?
[16:17] <ozmage> where ?
[16:18] <ozmage> 'systemctl start foo'
[16:20] <spm_draget> So 'service foo start' is deprecated?
[16:48] <lordievader> z4sk4: You mean when will 16.04 be released?
[16:48] <lordievader> !schedule
[16:49] <lordievader> ^ lists April 21st as the release date.
[16:49] <z4sk4> lordievader: yeah  i see, thanks dude
[16:49] <z4sk4> nice, we have 2 months
[16:50] <z4sk4> i see 2 bigs yet, but only with librarys of Qtqlick
[16:50] <z4sk4> bug*
[16:52] <z4sk4> in the aplications menu settings of the not defaults menu, but last time that i post a bug, with screenshoots, rutes, outputs, etc, people of launchpad told me that i dont use the report of the system... ¬¬
[16:53] <z4sk4> so close me... what they want the ID of aplication process that have errors on the code? or need librarys? i dont understand that...
[17:00] <lordievader> I'm not sure I understand your story, did you use ubuntu-bug to file a bug?
[19:57] <mifritscher> hi
[19:57] <mifritscher> I'm still debugging my locales-problem
[19:58] <mifritscher> in ~/.pam-environment LANGUAGE is de_DE:en, the others arede_DE.UTF-8
[19:59] <mifritscher> but locale gives for several LC_ zh_CN.utf8
[20:09] <mifritscher> just in case: found it (dconf: /system/locale/region) :-)
[21:12] <mifritscher> so, bug-reporting marathon is finished^^
[22:05] <ChibaPet> Hey all. I'm going to try this on VMs a bit to see if I can figure it out, but with 16.04 while I see examples of how to install to ZFS root in various docs, what I'm not seeing is how I instruct the initramfs to unlock particular LUKS volumes to find whatever's there (LVM, zpools, whatever) for booting, if I'm not using the installer.
[22:06] <ChibaPet> That is, if I'm not using the installer to set up partitions.
[22:06] <ChibaPet> And in particular, the text-based Debian installer.
[22:15] <lordievader> ChibaPet: I thought I had done a similar setup once (luks + lvm though), but I do not really remember how. Let me see if I can find something to jog my memory.
[22:16] <lordievader> Too bad Ubuntu doesn't use Dracut per default yet, there it is rather simple.
[22:16] <ChibaPet> lordievader: Cool. Anything that points me in the right direction would rock. Doing it in Slackware, I pass in explicit directives to mkinitrd, but I'm not sure how best to do that with Ubuntu.
[22:17] <lordievader> Do you have /boot on luks too?
[22:17] <ChibaPet> lordievader: No, I haven't done that under any system as yet, but it's a goal. Does the GRUB 16.04 will ship deal with LUKS itself?
[22:18] <ChibaPet> For UEFI systems I'm happy just having things unlock in the initramfs, but I have a couple legacy systems where having GRUB do the unlock would be nice.
[22:19] <lordievader> Hmm, [1] makes it look like an /etc/crypttab is enough. [1] https://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[22:19] <lordievader> In my current dracut + systemd, systemd takes care of unlocking the crypt volumes and mounting the right logical volumes.
[22:20] <ChibaPet> Oh! Hm. I never think of crypttab since it's in root, but I guess you have it available when you're building the initramfs. =brain flexes=
[22:20] <ChibaPet> lordievader: systemd inside the initramfs?
[22:20] <lordievader> Yes, it switches over first chance it gets :)
[22:21] <ChibaPet> Thanks for the link, by the way. Never seen that site before.
[22:21] <lordievader> Neither have I ;)
[22:23] <ChibaPet> Hrm. They are going in a couple directions I don't want, as I'm reading so far.
[22:23] <lordievader> I thought I let Ubiquity do the initial luks+lvm setup, IIRC.
[22:23] <lordievader> That is when I still ran Kubuntu.
[22:23] <ChibaPet> Part of my thing is needing RAID, which I believe Ubiquity won't do.
[22:25] <ChibaPet> but reading on, they're evidently talking about doing things in the shell anyway, so maybe Ubiquity will deal with the parts I don't care about. Hrm. I'll have to give it a run-through tonight.
[22:25] <lordievader> Not natively, the mini iso can do a lot of that stuff though... or you set it up from a shell.
[22:29] <ChibaPet> Oh. Hey. So, they're talking about an /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d. I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that maybe I have a vague lead on where I'd go to configure initramfs. :P


[00:01] <xorpad> I'd also, at a first glance... Like to make a nicer keyboard
[00:10] <xorpad> no devs online that can tell me how to get involved
 this appears to be true taht they are not online.  However, let me encourage you to do everything you would like to.. like make a nicer keyboard.  especially there is some person in here who was starting to work on a 'swype' style keyboard.  That would be *awesome*
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 Add Dvorak support, basic support for anything. Layout different from dictionary
[00:40] <xorpad> wayneoutthere: I have experience with OS and compiler development, although I don't claim to be the best or ever better than most.. I just like coding, and I notice the system resoruce usage on my nexus 5 is really high compared to where i think we could get it... although that really is dependant on what I see when i dig into the source
[00:40] <xorpad> then you can expect me to spend a few months just learning the system and it's components and internals(unless it's really just like pc ubuntu in which case we're only talking weeks before I start coding
 It's not exactly like desktop ubuntu, but there are a lot of similarities
 After you remount the system image as read-write, you have access to most of the things you'd want.
[00:42] <xorpad> okay if any devs read this highlight or pm me with things I can help with and I can choose what I think my skills will be best put towards
[00:43] <xorpad> but I'm very obsessive about efficiency and minimalism while still maintaining full functionality and offering the option to install more bloat than the base system includes
 As Stefano mentioned earlier (you might not have been here), it seems that there's some considerable bloat on the Scopes screen. it's causing issues on the nexus 5.
[00:45] <xorpad> Well, seeing as I have a huge box full of nexus 5's... I can afford to brick a bunch or have lots of different test builds running side by side for comparisons
 Oh, you won't brick any.
[00:45] <xorpad> I got them on ebay... $12.50 per phone
[00:45] <xorpad> I might when I get into the kernel
 The way to do that would be to flash either Radio or Bootloader... and we never do either.
[00:45] <xorpad> :P
 If you're just flashing the kernel, you can always flash over it.
 fastboot exists for a reason. :)
[00:46] <xorpad> No... I mean modding and improving and backporting features into the kernel... stuff like voltage and frequency scaling would be my first things I want to port in from the android communities kernels
 Yeah, that could cause problems.
[00:47] <xorpad> which is why having a huge supply of devices I can test on before any beta or even alpha is released
[00:47] <xorpad> is good
[00:47] <xorpad> because... It lets me not make other people be my guinea pigs
[00:48] <xorpad> anyways... for now I just want to get a hold of and learn the code
 If you're looking for kernel source, that's at https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_lge_hammerhead
[00:50] <xorpad> well, I like to have lots of projects going... being on disabity gives me many hours a day code...often up to 18... would be torture to only work on one thing 18 hours a day for weeks or months
[00:51] <xorpad> Before I found this project I was making my own linux based system for androird devices... but why bother when you guys got the ground work laid out
 Halium is great
 for that
 Right now I'm getting angry at Halium.
 Apt says that there is no space left on device
 It's a 64gb phone
[00:52] <xorpad> right now I'm socializing because my friend just got here... so I kinda got to go, any devs that can help me get started contirbuting please pm or highlight me cause I gotta hang with my buddy now
[00:52] <xorpad> I'll ask again in the middle of the night hoping to catch anyone who misses that request i just posted
 Alright
[00:56] <xorpad> I want to contribute to the project and hopefully agree on theory and design with the other devs so we can make something awesome
[00:56] <xorpad> as I said, i was gonna roll my own linux os, but then I realized that this project was active and in working order
 You bet. You mentioned the keyboard, which is in here: https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component
[00:57] <xorpad> and I was like, i should try and get on that as long as there's not serious conflicts with the other devs on how things should be done.. and if there is I can maintain a fork and you can just pull in the stuff you want from what I make
[00:57] <xorpad> and ignore the stuff you don't want
 And Halium is the hardware compatibility layer, which runs Android inside a container for libhybris. Converts sycalls between Bionic and glibc.
 That's here: https://github.com/halium
[00:58] <xorpad> I made a few hobby OS's for pc before, decided that was futile and useless and a phone os was more likely to see use by poeple other than me
 And docs.halium.org
[01:00] <xorpad> Well, we'll see where this goes, hopefully i can contribute useful stuff and have a good time in the process
 The 16.04 image works on the Nexus 5 and it barely works, so that might be a fun place to start hacking. :P
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/How-to-install-Ubuntu-Touch-16.04
[01:01] <xorpad> cool:D
 It boots.... which is something.
[01:02] <xorpad> like i said I need to spend time first learning the whole system, if it's all standard linux stuff, i'll pick it up really quicky
[01:02] <xorpad> I can't just jump into a project and write code interact with stuff I don't know
 It generally is. The Click packaging format might be a little strange, but a majority of it is standard Linuxy stuff.
[01:04] <xorpad> Well, then I should pick it up quickly, I use ubuntu, arch, gentoo, and I have a pretty decent knowledge of writing secure code
[01:04] <xorpad> I have some white/grey hat skills, so i can use what I know to not fall victim to attacks that I could just avoid leaving open in the first place
 Woo... Yeah, you'll probably pick it up quickly.
[01:05] <xorpad> Yeah... Hopefully, I mean, there seems to be tons of stuff to do
 The strangest thing you'll find is that a majority of root is mounted read-only by default. This is to allow for image-based upgrades.
 `sudo mount -o remount,rw /` fixes that right up.
[01:05] <xorpad> on a semi-related note I've been working on a pyhton 2.7 to arm elf compiler based loosely on cython... does ubuntu touch use elf binaries?
 Bah, you've caught me. How would I test?
 cython? I hadn't heard of that.
[01:06] <xorpad> Well, I don't know... I guess you would put a elf arm binary on the system and run it from the terminal
[01:07] <xorpad> that seems the simplest solution
 Mmm... Would `file` tell me?
[01:07] <xorpad> But if it's linux based it should support elf binaries unless they reomved support for native binarie execuatbles
[01:07] <xorpad> you could use the file command to analyze a file and see if it's an elf binary
 Oh, yeah. Standard binaries.
[01:07] <xorpad> yep
 It's all binaries.
 Run of the mill. Ordinary.  I need some afk time for sanity reasons too
[01:10] <xorpad> anyways, later:D
 xorpad, finally pulled my head out and found an app on disk. Yes, it's ELF. And today I learned what ELF means.
[01:15] <xorpad> heheD
[01:15] <xorpad> :D
[01:15] <xorpad> yay learning
 After installing a couple apps, you can find them in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/
[01:16] <xorpad> every time we try to do something we don't know how to...    :P
[01:19] <xorpad> Okay yeah, i gotta give this bro more attention... my friends always complain tjat I just code and or chat on irc when they come to chill
[01:20] <xorpad> gonna close the lid on my laptop now to stop ignoring him
[02:06] <xorpad> What kind of compiling system does the project use?
 Different for each piece.
[02:07] <xorpad> I see
[02:07] <xorpad> When I get my 1950 TR back from warranty replacement, I can give people shells on that
 That sounds like a cool piece of hardware... what is it?
[02:08] <xorpad> It's got 3666mhz OC'd ram, 64gb, so you can compile from a tmpfs at insane speeds... and I'm thinking of buying a mobo that will let me push the ram to 4000mhz... and it's 16 core x 2 threads per core 3.98ghz
[02:08] <xorpad> it's a 16 core hyperthreaded amd ryzen
[02:08] <xorpad> so 32 threads
 But 1950 TR
[02:09] <xorpad> threadripper
 ohhhhh
[02:09] <xorpad> TR is threadripper 1950 is the model number
 I'm sitting here on a Ryzen 7 1700. Fun to zip around builds.
[02:09] <xorpad> I also have a 1700x ryzen which I'm sending in for replacement when I get the TR back
[02:09] <xorpad> I have the 1700x, exact same chip but higher stock clock speed
 Yeah, and most 1700s can be overclocked to match
[02:10] <xorpad> literally came of the same fabrication process/mask set
 I just can't be bothered.
[02:10] <xorpad> yep... I only got the x model because it was on sale for less than the 1700
[02:10] <xorpad> but they both have the segfault bug, so unless you want to use gentoo, which I recompiled to not have that bug... You gotta wait till i get them replaced
 It needs to be replaced to fix it?
[02:11] <xorpad> Gentoo, recompiled with gcc 6.4.0, or 6.3.0, and no other versions... don't produce the segfaults
[02:11] <xorpad> yeah, all ryzens made before july 1 had a fabrication defect that causes segfaults under heavy compiling loads or cpu bound video encoding/decoding
 daaaaaamn
[02:12] <xorpad> But it's automatic replacement if your serial number predates them fixing the mask set defect
[02:12] <xorpad> if your serial number is below a certain number, and you say you get the bug, auto replacement no questions
[02:13] <xorpad> but since most people run windows and encode on GPUs... 90% of people don't know their chips are defective and will never request a replacement
[02:13] <xorpad> Even linux users... Most don't spend 12 hours a day compiling shit
[02:13] <xorpad> I hit the bug a log before switching to gentoo because I compile android roms very frequently
[02:13] <xorpad> I have like, a whole bunch of ROMs i maintain
[02:14] <xorpad> Nothing crazy impressive, just full FOSS minimalstic ROMs
 Let me guess, no express replacement
 So I need to be out my desktop while I wait for them to get off their asses
[02:15] <xorpad> You can get an RMA, but the store i bought from is a wholesaler and won't take it back unless I pay a fee
[02:15] <xorpad> so I'm sending them in myself
[02:15] <xorpad> Not gonna pay 50 bucks per chip to get a defective product replaced under warranty
 Wonder if Newegg would cross-ship
[02:16] <xorpad> I am in Canada, so I buy from Canada computers, neweggs canadian competition... But the stores in my area charge same as online prices which are almost as low as newegg
[02:16] <xorpad> But they want money to accept RMA, which is total BS, I used to sell hardware, RMAs are not supposed to cost anything
 Delivered July 19...
 Maybe it's okay.
[02:17] <xorpad> Maybe.... if not you'll get a free replacement
[02:17] <xorpad> and if you feel like becoming a gentoo repping long bearded geek, you can just run Gentoo until the time is right to replace it
 Got a link?
[02:18] <xorpad> Also the segfaults don't happen that often and don't produce any output to corrupt the build so you just reissue the make command after it segfaults
[02:18] <xorpad> link for what?
 Checking for a replacemen
[02:18] <xorpad> Oh... I don't have a link, but it's just amd's standard warranty replacement request form on their site
[02:19] <xorpad> But I don't know what serial number values equal good vs bad
[02:19] <xorpad> I don't know what the first non-borked serial number is
[02:19] <xorpad> You will have to test it out and see if you're affected
[02:19] <xorpad> Which means wasting thermal paste to pull the cooler off and check the SN
 Nah, I have the box.
[02:20] <xorpad> I told AMD they need to pay for 2 tubes of arctic silver 5 for when I took the sinks off to get the SN, and another 2 tubes for when I put the replacement back in place
[02:20] <xorpad> They will probably not do it... but it doesn't hurt to make demands
 You... you're using a whole tube?
[02:22] <xorpad> No, I use about 2/3 of it... but I don't actually apply all that. 15 years ago I invented a method of using a credit card to spread a very thin layer of paste over the chip and plopping the sink only the layer... I wishI published it and took credit for it, because apparently someone else came up with the same method 5 years ago and now it's a common technique
[02:22] <xorpad> If i had blogged about it before it got public I would have like... gold stars
[02:22] <xorpad> many gold stars
[02:22] <xorpad> But I didn't have a blog until yesterday
[02:22] <xorpad> Lol
[02:23] <xorpad> does ubports use gnueabi?
 uh
 For which part?
[02:24] <xorpad> for the ubuntu repo avialable eabi-mimicking compiler libraries/abis
[02:24] <xorpad> arm-linux-eabi, is avialble from arm, but in the ubuntu repos you have gcc-5-arm-gnueabi
[02:25] <xorpad> not that I use gcc 5... I use 7.2 for compiling arm stuff... I even went to the trouble of stealing every optimizng routine I could find from every gcc fork lol
[02:25] <xorpad> and many unit test failure fixes
[02:25] <xorpad> I also added some on my own optimizations, but they rejected them saying they in certain situations stop more efficient optimizations from being usable
[02:26] <xorpad> so my opts work, but existing ones don't work with my opts and are better than mine
[02:26] <xorpad> I dunno, compiler dev I'm not so great at yet... But I'm getting better all the time
 Darn, looks like I would have to pull my system apart to learn which week the processor was manufactured in.
[02:27] <xorpad> Luckily I spent a lot of time on a irc with these 2 guys that talked all day about high levels maths... absorbed enough group and set theory to start doing this stuff
[02:27] <xorpad> Yeah... It's BS
 The system is actually based on Ubuntu 15.04 right now. It's older gcc than you might want.
[02:27] <xorpad> that's why I haven't sent mine in yet...
[02:27] <xorpad> takes time away from writing code or doing research in order to write code
[02:28] <xorpad> or excessive sleeping once every 2 days when I burn out from coding non-stop
 Is launchpad running slowly for you, perchance?
[02:28] <xorpad> also, I hate messing with my hardware.... I've never had anything bad happen but i have anxiety issues and I freak out when I have to handle my hardware
[02:30] <xorpad> Like I'm grounding myself every 5 seconds so I don't fry anything with static... I'm like super delicate with the hardware... With the exception of the time when I was younger and did a bunch of meth then figured the way to install my new heat sink was to break off the old one with brute force... I don't do drugs anymore gladly, but that was retarded... there was 43 sscrews but I had to break it off with a screw driver to pry the thing to
[02:30] <xorpad> pieces
[02:30] <xorpad> Drugs are bad and I don't recommend them, but I won't lie and say I never touched em
 whoof. That doesn't sound like fun at all.
[02:31] <xorpad> lol...  I get anxious when I'm in my friends plane flying around... but then he does some fun manuvers and the adrenaline kicks in
[02:37] <xorpad> Once i convinced him to do a spiral dive
[02:37] <xorpad> that was an amazing rush
[02:37] <xorpad> dropping 600 meters in 3 seconds while the plane is upside down spinning towards the ground
[02:38] <xorpad> It's anxiety fever when we're on the way away from anything we could crash into, but as soon as he stalls the plane it's like a roller coaster ride x100
 Whoa! The Android container started and let me connect Wi-Fi on the G5.
[02:39] <xorpad> You can't do stuff like that over populated areas because there's such a high chance you won't recover
 @UniversalSuperBox, Congratulations
 @bhushanshah, I could do it before, but it happened on the first boot this time. :P
[02:39] <xorpad> Nice UniversalSuperBox
[02:40] <xorpad> improvements are always good
[02:40] <xorpad> I want to start working on stuff
[02:40] <xorpad> but my friends here
 Oh... Wi-Fi won't actually connect.
[02:41] <xorpad> Oh... But it recognizes the device?
 nmtui says it's good to go
 But "Activation failed"
[02:41] <xorpad> Well, the device initalizing and stating it's working is a good step forward from not having anything written yet
 And it's hard to read dmesg because msm_ipc_router is upset.
[02:41] <xorpad> writing drivers is hard
[02:42] <xorpad> especially when you don't have detailed architecture and programming manuals from the hardware manufacturer
 He understands our pain, @bhushanshah
 @UniversalSuperBox, See last ~4 commit in bullhead
[02:42] <xorpad> I want a bullhead
 boot loops
[02:42] <xorpad> I was gonna buy one but my laptop has started losing power and shuttng itself off, so I gotta spend it on a laptop instead
 @bhushanshah, Kernel or device?
 Kernel
[02:43] <xorpad> Ohh kernel work:D
[02:43] <xorpad> I want to help
 "Disable the CONFIG_DUMMY, otherwise hybris-boot will passout"
 i love these commit message
 That was English, I think.
[02:44] <xorpad> I like to commit things obsessively
[02:44] <xorpad> Like I'll write one function and commit it
[02:44] <xorpad> usually lots of commmits with the same comments because it's all part of the same work
[02:45] <xorpad> I guess if I'm gonna help with this project I'm gonna have to start getting in the habit of writing comments
 @UniversalSuperBox just checked, it's last 4 commits minus the commit to sort the kernel configuration
 Alright.
 Does GitHub not give diffs?
 It does?
 Just add .patch to the commit url
 weeeee!
 android_kernel_lge_bullhead/commit/0b64b0cd08b1b79eb4a26aa40651d7ff0a4fff3c.patch
 For example
 Okay... Copy paste fail
 😛
[02:54] <xorpad> Where is the offical irc for the project? I'm on the wrong end of the relay bot I feel like
[02:54] <xorpad> which server?
 The relay is from Telegram
[02:55] <xorpad> Cool, so everyone is on Telegram?
 https://ubports.com/telegram will give you the link
 We sure are!
 (Photo, 689x204) https://irc.ubports.com/quchG9AP/file_939.jpg Never gets old.
[03:02] <xorpad> the official site has scripting that when blocked breaks it completely
 Wonderful.
[03:03] <xorpad> And maybe I'm just a parnoid anonymous random person but don't like letting code run on my computer
[03:03] <xorpad> Whatever though, I have tools in place to protect anything from leaking, i just don't like it is all
[03:03] <xorpad> Things should work with script blockers because scripting based drive-by-downloads are a major attack vector for malware developers
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 It took me a few minutes to pick a phone to put it on
 I have a lot of phones.. It's an obsession
 Ah, yes. the "Which SIM do I use for this one?" problem.
 @UniversalSuperBox, Welcome!
 No I don't have many SIM cards just 3..  I kinda collect Android devicez
 @Xorpad, You can install on PC too
 Which seemed like a good idea until recently
 Yeah I saw the pc client link
 I prefer mobile apps because I don't constantly mess with and or switch is on this phone
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 @Xorpad maybe you want be here too: … t.me/halium
 My pc I'm on Windows then I'm in gentoo then over to Ubuntu... Then my debian I'm install... Constantly switching my laptop is I have quad boot
 Does ubports use wayland?
 Nope, still Mir.
 I see
 Not familiar with it
 Is it got any cool selling points?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Still? 🤔 are you going to switch?
 @urielc, I've said it before. Unity 8 and Mir were written for each other.
 It's not a matter of "Just" switching display servers.
 I see... I heard From a random person Ubuntu was dropping unity as of 18.04.. Is that true or vs?
 *bs
 At the moment, Mir is still being maintained by Canonical and the Android driver support has been split off into a module. If things come together right, then we can switch to Wayland I suppose. Right now, though, it doesn't offer an immediate benefit other than stopping the wrath of Reddit
 @Xorpad, It's true. Ubuntu 17.10 will ship with GNOME.
 Interesting
 I haven't used gnome in years... I like my lxde
 I also think kde plasma is pretty but way too unstable to rely on
 @Xorpad, GNOME is way worse
 KDE Plasma is actually super stable even from the tip of the Git tree in my experience
 GNOME... isn't
 Boi
 @tsimonq2, Straighten out that statement my dude
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 Boah 300+ messages during night, and then suddenly all went asleep or what? 😆
 Hey guys what do you use for your build environment/setup for compiling for ubports targeting arm?
 Still here.. What do you mean for OOmed?
 Killed by the Out Of Memory killer
 Ok thks
 Wait... Dan Chapman, of army cyber security?
 https://plus.google.com/103117938079967018309/posts/5EFXTDkEKSE
 o_O this is the unity8 greeter, right?
 but looks a bit different?
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 It does look like a unity 8 greeter and indeed looks a bit different
 Why no indicators?
 don't know :/
 Hi UBports INstaller intsalling files to device Goolge nexus 5 pushing file 1 is it a long process?
 I have chosen wipe option
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 @Flohack got camero video record work 😱😱😱😱
 @Walid, kewl!
 its media_codec.xml cause the pb, now camera is more stable (sometime crash but its work)
 @Flohack the video format is mp4, system  media player can't open it
 @Walid, Yes we know we have some troubles with video playback on actually all devices
 e.g. this one: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/7
 this too: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/249
 UTmedia work perfect, so we can use it
 oki
 @Xorpad, What do you mean by this?
 Hi guys need help if posible got nexus 5 with android 4.4. tried to install ubport but device get stuck to ubport screen and nothing happens
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 @prpleXist, Sounds like incomplete download. What tool did you use?
 Hi am using sudo ./launcher.sh
 cd magic I mnaged to install enetually but hangs at start and after rc update is no longer booting
 UBports installer or MDT?
 cd magic-device-tool
 mdt
 Did you install Canonical UT first or try go straight to UBports UT?
 staright to ubport
 Try installing Canonical first
 Then skip to UBports
 thanks an update is still happening will look many thanks
 Look at SPflashtool for the Canonical install but use carefully and read instructions!
 Set to firmware update ONLY
 Sorry. Forget that last. It is Nexus 5. Qualcomm…
 Others on here have done Nexus 5 so better able to comment
 thanks
 Seems like Ubports ota2 cannot sync contact favorites (marked by star) from gmail account.
 will it be possible in the future  to use https://build.snapcraft.io to publish Open Store ?
 https://www.google.com/amp/www.androidauthority.com/linux-kernel-lts-extended-6-years-project-treble-803479/amp/ I think it's good news for all Linux based devices!!
 mostly for those running 4.4
 @rogieroudshoorn, Yes. .. 4.4 and upper
 @Flohack, Except the nexus 4 !
 @Vijay, silly google
 http://www.androidauthority.com/linux-kernel-lts-extended-6-years-project-treble-803479/ also this is a better link
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 We have an offtopic group for this type of content now! :) … @ubports_ot
 @UniversalSuperBox, For some reasons I'm banned :/
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 QuestIon: does anyone else have an issue with the fairphone dropping to zero while in standby? No use, no apps on background, nothing. The battery count drops like a stone during the night, phone is dead in the morning. Anyone?
 @per_sonne, Last full charge 86 hours ago. Currently 12%. Has just been sat around
 @per_sonne, Same here with an one plus one, nothing on the background... There battery is draining.
 Question: Can i replace the Ubuntu webbrowser with Firefox or something like that?
 @jakko, You can install Firefox yes
 But doesn't work very well on touch hdpi devices...
 @TronFourtyTwo, Okay, but I understand i can only install .click file on the ubports device? Can I install.deb files ?
 @jakko, You can use libertine to install deb files. Take a look at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 @SwizzlaKalongie, All the major bugs has been fixed, he went recently on Stable. Working better than the cannonical version
 @Ern_st, sweet. thanks man. good news.
 @MatthewM. Can you help me getting a right qtubuntu lib?  Can you upload a finished zip somewhere?
 @jakko, There is no reasonable build of Firefox for a mobile device, you probably cannot use the GUI elements at all
 @Flohack, i know it, i wasnt sure... thx for your answer. I'm a daily android user, and i love the chrome future, that i can add an website to my home screen....<--- but thats another thing.
 @jakko, We will have others browsers some day, but now our focus must be the core OS =)
 @Flohack, hahha. i know... dreaming, is not forbidden right? ;)
 right
 Firefox is missing a real embedding solution currently, so if you want to build a mobile firefox GUI, you currently can't because you can't really embed gecko into QML (SailfishOS does it but they use partitally outdated forks of some things)
 exactly. We need a complete GUI
 Probably we would be more lucky with pure Chromium
 Or go back to webkit
 me hides
 @DanChapman, Them's fightin' words
 😊 well it worked and didn't eat through ram like candy
 btw will Plasma Mobile apps run on Ubuntu Touch 16.04? I know there aren't that many, but compatibility would be great. You'd only need to have plasma-framework and kirigami in your repos. If you really use Qt 5.9, everything else should run fine.
 That's a solid
 maybe
 Or how about, it depends
 @JBBgameich, actually ubuntu touch currently uses qt 5.4, but the update to 5.9 is planned
 (Sticker, 390x512) https://irc.ubports.com/k9yoFuIE/file_942.webp
 @TronFourtyTwo, I'm speaking of the 16.04 release, which is not yet released or ready but I heard it should use Qt 5.9 anyway
 @JBBgameich, Ops you're right
 I hadn't read that 😁 sorry
 @jakko, Something is off, then. Can we watch processes logs or something to watch what is eating up cycles in the background? Does anyone know how to do that? It doesn't happen on my bq e4.5, but it does on the fairphone. Seems built-specific.
 Is the NSA running stuff on the android bit blobs layer?
 Or is it the Russians?
 Or an elf?
 I need to know if leprechauns are eating up my battery.
 @per_sonne, I can check the log files. @Flohack does the battery use a log file of something..?
 Of  = or
 @TronFourtyTwo, Did yall see this about QT 5.9 and UBports? It looked interesting to me. … https://matrix.org/blog/2017/09/28/experiments-with-matrix-on-the-purism-librem5-starring-ubports-and-nheko/
 @blendergeek0, yep
 The instructions may need a rework because some things keep unclarified yet.
 @blendergeek0, thanks.
[20:36] <tgBot> Pavel was added by: Pavel
 @blendergeek0, I ordered a raspi2 will arrive mon-tues
 Gonna use that as a native arm buildbox
 That may take a while
 Got v2 cause same arch as nexus 5 which is what I dev for/on usually
 V7a
 No neon extension though
 I have a bq.e 4.5. Is posible to change the channel the stable to release candidate?
 @UniversalSuperBox, It's quite fast, I'm using one for that myself. Emulating armhf in qemu-user-static isn't much better anyway.
[21:02] <ubports_bot> Project daily-bacon build #287: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-bacon/287/
[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1100: SUCCESS in 55 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1100/
[21:04] <tgBot> Meruso was added by: Meruso
 can't ubuntu's message app sent a MMS?
 @Field10pg, Yes. Go into system settings and change the channel there - provided you updated to OTA2 already


[03:11] <hide_> hello
[03:12] <hide_> anyone around need help
[03:39] <holstein> hide_: sure.. but this is not the support channel.. use #ubuntu or #xubuntu for example if you are using the xubuntu distro
[03:40] <hide_> ok