[06:55] <zyga>  Hello
[07:02] <zyga> :)
[07:02] <zyga> man it's all snowy white today :)
[07:15] <mborzecki> morning
[07:15] <zyga> hey mborzecki, mvo
[07:16] <zyga> I almost typed "hey mup", but we don't greet mup :/
[07:16] <mvo> hey zyga
[07:17] <mborzecki> mvo: zyga: hey
[07:17] <mvo> hey mborzecki
[07:23] <mborzecki> 61 PRs
[07:26] <mup> PR snapd#6429 opened: Bboozzoo/section rename 2.37 <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6429>
[07:26] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^ need this for 2.37 branch too
[07:27] <zyga> I will do some reviews today
[07:32] <jamesh> hi mvo, zyga
[07:35] <mvo> hey jamesh
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: ok, I have a look and will cherry-pick
[07:35] <mborzecki> mvo: opened a PR to 2.37
[07:35] <mvo> mborzecki: I also need to cherry-pick the find fix
[07:36] <mborzecki> mvo: but feel free to close if you prefer to cherry-pick and push manually :)
[07:37] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, did cherry pick some minutes ago, but still thanks for noticing
[07:38] <mup> PR snapd#6429 closed: tests/searching: handle renamed video section <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6429>
[07:48] <zyga> hey jamesh
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#6348 closed: snap: split alignment calculation and display for channels <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6348>
[08:51] <mborzecki> Chipaca: pedronis: updated #6016
[08:51] <mup> PR #6016: [RFC] move various name validation helpers to snap/name package <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6016>
[08:55] <Chipaca> mborzecki: oh no! now what do I do with my "z" snap?
[08:56] <mborzecki> Chipaca: you make it go zzz
[08:56] <Chipaca> about half of my registered names are answers to "i wonder if the whole stack catches me trying to register this name we decided was invalid"
[08:56] <Chipaca> (hint: mmmmmmaybe?)
[08:58] <mborzecki> Chipaca: btw. we allow 2 letter names right? :P plenty of combinations
[09:00] <mborzecki> Chipaca: pushing a little tweak, dropped *Name suffix where it seemed a bit sueprfluous given that the package is called 'naming'
[09:00] <Chipaca> hmm
[09:00]  * Chipaca looks
[09:00] <Chipaca> yes that works
[09:01] <jamesh> mvo: where do you want to have the meeting?  IRC, hangouts, something else?
[09:02] <mvo> jamesh: meet should be ok, I sent you an invite
[09:02] <mvo> jamesh: sorry that it was not on the original thing
[09:38] <pedronis> mborzecki: hi, Q for you in 6016
[09:39] <mborzecki> pedronis: right, i tried to keep the diff size under control, so introducing the package and indirection felt right as a first step
[09:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: with removing the store info cache (btw any better names appreciated) from being tasks, I'm moving them out of backend and into snapstate itself (like seq is already), ok?
[09:40] <pedronis> Chipaca: it's fine out backend
[09:40] <pedronis> mborzecki: can you work on a follow up to remove the indirection ones when you havea bit of time
[09:40] <Chipaca> pedronis: should I read that as "it's fine not in backend"?
[09:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes
[09:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: ok :-)
[09:41] <pedronis> missing a "of", at least
[09:41] <Chipaca> pedronis: spent a little time with nltk looking for the intersection between synonyms of 'container' and 'blob', with no luck
[09:41] <mborzecki> pedronis: sure :) planned to do it all along
[09:44] <pedronis> Chipaca: ok, seems "naming" is reasonable tough
[09:44] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes <3
[09:54] <pedronis> Chipaca: did you see my #6389 comment ?
[09:54] <mup> PR #6389: cmd/snap: small refactor of cmd_info's channel handling <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6389>
[09:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: yes
[09:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you
[09:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: need to get to that yet
[09:55] <pedronis> ok
[09:58] <zyga> FYI I will be away for the next few hours,
[10:08] <mborzecki> oh, codecov is back
[10:12] <mup> PR snapd#6421 closed: spread: enable upgrade suite on fedora <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6421>
[10:16] <pedronis> Chipaca: looked at #6356, doesn't seem inline with the requirements, what we discussed originally
[10:16] <mup> PR #6356: overlord/snapstate: during refresh, re-refresh on epoch bump <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6356>
[10:17] <sil2100> mvo: hey! Did you see Pat's and Cody's e-mail about trusty snap preseeding? I'm not really knowledgable in these areas and thought maybe you had some leads/ideas
[10:18] <oSoMoN> how do I build a core snap from a PR that adds a new interface, to test it locally?
[10:21] <mvo> sil2100: I did see it, but haven't managed to look at it yet :(
[10:26] <sil2100> mvo: busy times, no worries! It might be something wrong from the image build POV, but I'd like a snappy expert to first take a look and see if there's anything obviously wrong there
[10:40] <mborzecki> Chipaca: /var/lib/snapd/sequence is something from snapshots?
[10:40] <Chipaca> mborzecki: nop
[10:41] <Chipaca> mborzecki: it's a cache of <snapstate>.Sequence
[10:41] <Chipaca> used for recovery iirc
[10:42] <mup> PR snapd#6427 closed: interfaces: add block-devices interface <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6427>
[10:42] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hm, didn't notice this before, snapd arch package does not clean it up properly for some reason
[10:42] <Chipaca> mborzecki: missing diff in cmd/snap-mgmt/snap-mgmt.sh.in ?
[10:43] <mborzecki> Chipaca: nah, it's not accounted for in the package, so removing the package leaves the dir behind
[10:44] <mborzecki> Chipaca: snap-mgmt only removes /var/lib/snapd/sequence/*
[10:44] <Chipaca> mborzecki: when you get a diff, show me? because I need to do something similar for /var/cache/snapd/store i suspect
[10:44] <Chipaca> mborzecki: unless you mean it doesn't remove the director itself?
[10:44] <mvo> 6408 needs a second review, hopefully simple
[10:46] <mborzecki> Chipaca: snap-mgmt removes all of /var/cache/snapd/*
[10:48] <mup> PR snapd#6424 closed: tests: remove -o pipefail <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6424>
[10:48] <Chipaca> mborzecki: why doesn't it remove all of /var/lib/snapd?
[10:48] <mborzecki> Chipaca: because fedora packaging takes care of this with %dir entries in rpm spec
[10:49] <mborzecki> Chipaca: there is no equivalent on arch, so dirs are precreated when package is built and then automatically revmoed by pacman
[11:21] <zyga> re
[11:26] <mborzecki> mvo: got a node when console-conf@ttyS0 keeps restarting
[11:29] <mvo> mborzecki: what is the systemctl status / jounralctl log output?
[11:29] <mvo> mborzecki: any interessting error message
[11:29] <mup> PR snapd#6408 closed: tests: add spread test for system dbus interface <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6408>
[11:30] <mborzecki> mvo: no, the log is rather useless https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CHH2m9k6t5/
[11:31] <mborzecki> mvo: hm looking at the full log, there might be a pattern though
[11:31] <mvo> mborzecki: how did you trigger it?
[11:32] <mvo> mborzecki: my naive way did not work :/
[11:32] <mborzecki> mvo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qyGfvxNrmh/
[11:32] <mvo> mborzecki: aha, maybe different machines
[11:32] <mborzecki> mvo: notice how reloads are interleaved with console-conf restarting
[11:33] <mvo> mborzecki: indeed
[11:33] <mvo> mborzecki: that looks suspicious
[11:33] <mborzecki> mvo: note, i'm installing and removing 11 snaps in parallel in a separate shell
[11:34] <mvo> mborzecki: interessting
[11:34] <mvo> mborzecki: is this all the logs we get? Jan 25 11:24:45 jan251115-985265 systemd[1]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Failed with result 'exit-code'. is really not helpful, not even the exit code numbe
[11:34] <mvo> r
[11:34] <mborzecki> mvo: yup
[11:35] <mvo> mborzecki: nothing in journalctl -u<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or systemctl status -l<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:( sad
[11:35] <mvo> mborzecki: I guess you can't strace it as this all happens too quickly?
[11:37] <zyga> mvo: what is the value you saw from exit code?
[11:37] <mvo> zyga: looking at the logs from mborzecki I see nothing there
[11:42] <mup> PR snapd#6430 opened:  tests: enable debian sid as part of the main suite on travis <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6430>
[11:50] <mborzecki> mvo: heh, reloading daemon makes console-conf fail, wtf?
[11:51] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, that is … unexpected
[11:56] <mborzecki> mvo: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZsCjMDdQNC/ confole-conf-wrapper started by agettu
[11:57] <mborzecki> mvo: fd 0 is /dev/ttyS0
[12:04] <mborzecki> mvo: another one showing what it writes to stderr https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ht5v7QhPxC/
[12:05] <mvo> zyga: do you know/remember the switch to drive sbuild so that it is as close as possible to the buildds?
[12:06] <mvo> mborzecki: aha, nice
[12:06] <zyga> you have to change .sbuildrc
[12:06] <mvo> mborzecki: "write(2, "/usr/share/subiquity/console-conf-wrapper: line 62: read: read error: 0: Resource temporarily unavailable\n", 106) = 106"
[12:06] <zyga> to build arch indep separately AFAIK
[12:06] <zyga> mvo: but I strongly recommend something else
[12:06] <zyga> mvo: please look at and improve this: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6410
[12:06] <mup> PR #6410: release-tools: add debian-package-builder <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6410>
[12:06] <mvo> zyga: well
[12:06] <zyga> you can test it there :)
[12:06] <zyga> it's just a fire&forget
[12:06] <mvo> zyga: I'm looking at a spread test
[12:06] <zyga> (for experimenting)
[12:07] <zyga> I mean, to get to the point where we can be certain 2.37-2 reproduces the failure
[12:07] <zyga> just feed the 2.37-2 package to this script
[12:07] <zyga> and see if it fails
[12:07] <mvo> zyga: the arch indep ?
[12:07] <zyga> if so, that's representative of what we know so far
[12:07] <zyga> yes
[12:07] <mborzecki> mvo: yeah, then it proceeds to run stty, waits for it, waits for any children and exits, maybe it's how this works? the sequence seems legit
[12:08] <mvo> zyga: but that is "just" doing a normal sbuild without any extras, no?
[12:08] <zyga> correct
[12:08] <zyga> I suggested that as a vehicle to find out which setting in sbuild controls this to reproduce the failure
[12:08] <mvo> zyga: we did this as well and for us it did not fail
[12:08] <zyga> I think it's just one of the variables you can set there
[12:08] <mvo> zyga: aha, ok
[12:09] <zyga> I don't know the answer from the top of my head
[12:09] <zyga> sorry :/
[12:09] <zyga> I just recall reading the example file
[12:09] <zyga> and this is something you can tweak there
[12:09] <zyga> I believe we need to run a pair of builds then though
[12:09] <mvo> zyga: all parts of the example are commented out :/
[12:10] <zyga> maybe               --no-arch-all
[12:10] <zyga> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man5/sbuild.conf.5.html
[12:10] <zyga> by default they are built
[12:11] <mvo> zyga: yeah, I play around, thank you
[12:11] <mvo> zyga: but lunch first :)
[12:11] <zyga> I mainly recommended that script because you  can get to the part where you can tinker easily
[12:11] <zyga> and it is reproducible
[12:28] <zyga> mvo: the thing is https://salsa.debian.org/debian/snapd/commit/7991e731c068148de7ae1b9e99d8df4e6f45601e
[12:28] <zyga> --no-arch-any
[12:28] <zyga> that's what you need
[12:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: pushed changes to the store info cache. This change makes it a lot smaller; need to update the description though
[12:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: but, one more change I think I should make: I should make the cache be per snap id, not per  snap name
[12:36] <pedronis> Chipaca: sounds reasonable
[12:36] <Chipaca> pedronis: making it per snap name would  be more friendly but not sure if we care
[12:36] <Chipaca> could include the name in the json if that helped? (would it?)
[12:37]  * Chipaca thinks it'd be fine as is but with snap id
[12:39] <pedronis> Chipaca: we don't want people to rely on this, so it shouldn't matter
[12:39] <pedronis> Chipaca: I mean, it should be a snap detail, not something people use, no?
[12:39] <pedronis> *snapd detail
[12:39] <Chipaca> right
[12:39] <Chipaca> and tomorrow we couold change it to be a sqlite or something
[12:41] <pedronis> yes
[12:41] <pedronis> mborzecki: reviewed 6333
[12:41] <mborzecki> pedronis: thanks
[12:44] <pedronis> mborzecki: anything blokcing #6403 ?
[12:44] <mup> PR #6403: many: cleanup golang.org/x/net/context <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6403>
[12:46] <mborzecki> pedronis: not really
[12:47] <mborzecki> mvo: are we ok to land 1.9+ things?
[13:01] <rbasak> sergiusens: around? About https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/12/18/%23snappy.html#t02:09
[13:01] <rbasak> If you are, then I'll catch up on any upstream changes to the problem since, and if it's still there I'd appreciate some of your time please.
[13:02] <rbasak> Hmm I say that but the problem appears to have gone away for now. Presumably requirements.txt changed again.
[13:03] <sergiusens> rbasak: if you use a base, it is a list, if you do not, it is a string when using 3.x
[13:03] <rbasak> However it would be nice to know how to solve it properly and/or register it as a shortcoming in snapcraft's Python plugin if appropriate.
[13:03] <sergiusens> rbasak: and fwiw, the deb is going to stick to 2.x
[13:04]  * Chipaca goes to have lunch
[13:35] <mup> PR snapcraft#2451 opened: static: address black warnings <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2451>
[13:45] <mvo> mborzecki: yes, we are ok
[13:45] <mup> PR snapd#6431 opened: snapcraft.yaml: fix snapcraft building in launchpad <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6431>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#6403 closed: many: cleanup golang.org/x/net/context <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6403>
[13:47] <mup> PR snapd#6430 closed:  tests: enable debian sid as part of the main suite on travis <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6430>
[13:57] <jdstrand> zyga: hey, don't bother adding your backlight to the PR, I've got a better idea
[13:58] <Chipaca> jdstrand: should I mark that pr blocked? it's green and has two +1's, somebody'll land it otherwise :-)
[13:58] <jdstrand> Chipaca: I just did, thanks!
[13:59] <zyga> jdstrand: ack
[13:59] <zyga> jdstrand: I really wish sysfs wasn't a maze of symlinks :)
[13:59] <Chipaca> jdstrand: github here disagrees, but i guess eventual consistency is eventual
[13:59] <jdstrand> Chipaca: I *just* did it after you suggested it
[14:00] <Chipaca> jdstrand: reloading it and still not seeing it :)
[14:00] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm off to the standup
[14:12] <Chipaca> degville: 2010 says hi: https://r.chipaca.com/the_cult_of_done_manifesto.png
[14:13] <degville> thanks Chipaca!
[14:13] <degville> done is definitely better than perfect.
[14:17] <Chipaca> zyga: "shall I compare thee to seccomp" -- mvo, probably
[14:24] <Chipaca> zyga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system)
[14:25] <zyga> I love the shade of blue they used
[14:47] <Chipaca> zyga: https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port FWIW
[14:48] <Chipaca> zyga: but alas debian-x32.org is no more
[14:48] <Chipaca> anyhooo
[14:50] <Chipaca> zyga: mborzecki: and i was wrong about the kernel it seems. Had the worng end of the stick on this. Sorry for the noise.
[15:02] <mvo> mborzecki: re 6422 - you write that you can reproduce hte mount issue without the change in the PR. does that mean with the change (i.e. when console-conf is disabled) the mount issue is no longer there?
[15:03] <mborzecki> mvo: it's still running
[15:03] <mvo> ta
[15:05] <mborzecki> mvo: so a core 18 node was up for ~1h and didn't error out
[15:06] <mborzecki> mvo: need to go out now, but i'll spin another one and let it run
[15:06] <mvo> Chipaca: do you know if 6280 is ready for a second review? or is there something fundamental that needs discussion still?
[15:06] <mvo> mborzecki: ta
[15:06] <mborzecki> mvo: this is the script i'm using if you want to try it yourself too https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rXDvJgFShf/ imo it's bit more aggressive than the test we have
[15:06] <mvo> mborzecki: so a core18 node without console-conf (with console-conf disabled) survived 1h ? that sounds encouraging
[15:07] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks, looking
[15:07] <Chipaca> mvo: I think pedronis unblocked it because it's ok
[15:07] <mvo> Chipaca: it got my +1 - its (IMHO) an easy win, would love to see itin
[15:08] <mvo> so if someone looks for a fun review: 6280 (/me clearly works on is marketing skillz)
[15:10] <roadmr> I bet it's a trap
[15:18] <pedronis> Chipaca: mvo: yes, nothing fundamental against it (also now that --unicode is fixed for non-tty)
[15:31] <pedronis> mborzecki: +1 to 6016 but some comments there
[15:43] <zyga> re
[15:43] <zyga> dinner done, now onwards
[15:53] <r4co0n> Since a few months, sound is no longer working in my snapped Firefox, but other applications can still produce sound. This is running Debian buster. I haven't tested other sound-producing snaps, though. (repost from #snapcraft)
[15:53] <kenvandine> r4co0n: how about the chromium snap?
[15:54] <r4co0n> kenvandine, I'll go install and test. I got chromium installed via apt and it is working fine.
[15:54] <zyga> r4co0n: hey
[15:54] <zyga> r4co0n: we've made an upload to buster recently, 2.37-3 will be coming your way soon (tm)
[15:54] <zyga> r4co0n: would be great if you could check once that is released
[15:55] <zyga> r4co0n: or get it from the incoming pipe if you want
[15:55]  * cachio lunch
[15:56] <r4co0n> zyga, I'm still on 2.36-3, let's see when this comes to my mirror.
[15:57] <zyga> r4co0n: it's not migrated yet
[15:57] <zyga> r4co0n: can you look at your journal output, perhaps there are some denials or something similar?
[15:57] <zyga> r4co0n: I can try locally in a moment
[15:57] <mup> PR snapd#6412 closed: tests: interfaces tests normalization <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6412>
[15:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: got a bit to talk about the triggering logic for rere?
[16:01] <r4co0n> zyga, kenvandine, sound is working in the chromium snap.
[16:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: I have a meeting noew
[16:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: my condolences
[16:02] <zyga> Chipaca: let's just head to the pub then ;)
[16:02] <Chipaca> yeah
[16:02]  * Chipaca puts on his boots
[16:03] <mvo> zyga: I added sbuild spread test now
[16:03] <zyga> woot, I'm going through reviews now, but I can look at this out of band if you want
[16:06] <r4co0n> How can I run the firefox snap in safe mode, with all plugins disabled? I tried gathering it from the help and a websearch, but found nothing.
[16:06] <zyga> r4co0n: no idea, sorry
[16:06] <kyrofa> r4co0n, zyga, kenvandine might be able to help
[16:08] <r4co0n> I can start with --ProfileManager and create a new profile
[16:08] <r4co0n> Not exactly the same, but problem solved.
[16:09] <r4co0n> But no sound in a new profile :/
[16:11] <r4co0n> zyga, you were talking about some journal output I can be checking? How do I do that? I ran the snap from the terminal and there is nothing remarkable showing up...
[16:11] <mvo> 6431 is a very easy review
[16:11] <mvo> *please*
[16:12] <pedronis> Chipaca: the meeting was short, didn't quite happen
[16:12] <r4co0n> btw, the same snap continues to work fine on Debian stretch.
[16:12] <r4co0n> Similar setup.
[16:13] <r4co0n> Other system.
[16:14] <kenvandine> r4co0n: maybe different versions of snapd though
[16:14] <Chipaca> pedronis: wrt "only do refreshes that would change epoch again", I would have to check with the store about updates, and then decide client-side whether to do the update or not depending on whether an epoch change happened?
[16:15] <kenvandine> r4co0n: is it connected to the pulseaudio interface?
[16:15] <kenvandine> check "snap interfaces firefox"
[16:15] <Chipaca> pedronis: I understand that there's a small window where a snap changes its epoch and then refreshes without changing the epoch and this would re-refresh "early" (not sure why it's a problem), but having to decide client-side whether to do a refresh the store told me to do seems wrong?
[16:16] <r4co0n> kenvandine, yes ':pulseaudio              chromium,firefox'
[16:17] <r4co0n> Could reinstall help anything?
[16:19] <r4co0n> The thing is, I am using every other part of this snap just fine everytime I'm at this system. It's just those odd YouTube,etc. moments when I get aware of this problem again.
[16:20] <kenvandine> r4co0n: did you try chromium?
[16:20] <r4co0n> kenvandine, yes I did and it works there
[16:22] <kenvandine> well that's odd
[16:22] <kenvandine> r4co0n: what version of firefox?
[16:23] <mup> PR snapd#6419 closed: miscellaneous policy updates <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6419>
[16:23] <mup> PR snapd#6420 closed: miscellaneous policy updates - 2.37 <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6420>
[16:25] <mvo> 6417 is another simple review
[16:25] <mvo> (we just need a second one :)
[16:27] <r4co0n> kenvandine, it's 64.0.2-1 (167) with no available upgrades on stable
[16:31] <kenvandine> r4co0n: same as me
[16:34] <mvo> Chipaca: if you are around - can I merge 6400 (nice number!) or is there anything missing? I did a quick test on the UX and it looks reasonable to me
[16:35] <mvo> Chipaca: nice job btw, really like this
[16:35] <r4co0n> I got KDE reporting  in Audio Volume Applications that 'No applications playing or recording audio' before I start audio in firefox snap, and 'AudioIPC Server' showing up as an application as soon as I start the audio stream.
[16:35] <r4co0n> The volume is non-zero.
[16:35] <Chipaca> mvo: ooh, you did the ux thing?
[16:35] <Chipaca> mvo: let me look
[16:35] <Chipaca> mvo: nice. It won't be translated, but at least it's not lying :-)
[16:36] <Chipaca> mvo: pedronis had Opinions about the naming of things, but not sure if they were blockers
[16:36] <Chipaca> ErrNoExpectedResult instead of ErrStoreUnresponsive
[16:36] <Chipaca> although ErrNoExpectedResult is wrong; it'd be ErrMissingExpectedResult
[16:37] <Chipaca> but, as i say,  dunno if a blocker
[16:37] <kenvandine> r4co0n: so it's trying to do something
[16:38] <mvo> Chipaca: hm, hm, both seem ok to me. no strong opinion
[16:38] <mvo> Chipaca: anyway, should be landable once this is clarified
[16:38] <Chipaca> mvo: thanks
[16:39] <mvo> Chipaca: you trapped me, now I'm thinking about a good name for the last 5min
[16:40] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, it's a blocker
[16:40] <r4co0n> kenvandine, with Chromium, it is showing the application name 'Chromium' almost(?) immediately, sound is at the same level, and I hear stuff.
[16:41] <r4co0n> Testing with the top-left link on YouTube, btw.
[16:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: I mean, I really don't like unresponsive there
[16:41] <pedronis> Chipaca: do you want me to explicitly -1 it ?
[16:41] <mup> PR snapd#6363 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: save errno from strtoul <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6363>
[16:42] <Chipaca> pedronis: it wouldn't be necessary now that i know you think it's a blocker
[16:42] <Chipaca> pedronis: but it does communicate that unambiguously :-)
[16:42] <Chipaca> i wish the store returned 420 instead of bogus responses, fwiw
[16:43] <pedronis> Chipaca: done
[16:43] <Chipaca> this is again us heuristicating things
[16:43] <kenvandine> r4co0n: gnome also shows firefox as Audio IPC Server
[16:43] <kenvandine> but i can hear it
[16:44] <pedronis> Chipaca: once we alway have rerefresh , we have to do something to chose when to reupdate
[16:44] <mup> PR snapd#6432 opened: interfaces: add block-devices interface - 2.37 <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6432>
[16:45] <r4co0n> kenvandine, funny side story, I purged it yesterday after having not used it for quite some months. But I still run it on my laptops.
[16:45] <r4co0n> Would have been nice for testing now.
[16:45] <pedronis> Chipaca: you are already checking if epochs are equal  (in the common code, which I don't think is where we want to make the choice)
[16:46] <pedronis> Chipaca: I'm saying that needs to be postponed plus extra recheck in the task itself
[16:46] <mvo> down to 53 open PRs - lets see if we can hit 50 today!
[16:49] <pedronis> Chipaca: we can chat more on Monday
[16:52] <pedronis> Chipaca: Missing works for me
[16:56] <pedronis> jdstrand: hi, could you look at #6376
[16:56] <mup> PR #6376: tests: split the test interfaces-many in 2 and remove snaps on restore <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6376>
[16:57] <jdstrand> pedronis: yes, I started yesterday and will pick up in a bit
[17:03] <mup> PR snapd#6433 opened: tests: Update fedora 29 workers to speed up the whole testing time <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6433>
[18:01] <kyrofa> Hey ogra, does the Ubuntu Core image support the rpi 3B+ ?
[18:10] <cwayne> Yes
[18:10] <cwayne> kyrofa: ^
[18:10] <kyrofa> cwayne, thank you, I suppose you ARE the person to ask these days, eh?
[18:11] <cwayne> So I've heard :)
[18:11] <kyrofa> Ha!
[18:36]  * cachio afk
[18:42] <zyga> re
[18:43]  * zyga fell asleep, sorry :(
[19:16] <zyga> Chipaca: https://github.com/google/gops
[19:16] <zyga> shiny
[19:31] <mup> PR snapd#6425 closed: interfaces: add u2f-devices interface and allow reading udev +power_supply:* in hardware-observe <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6425>
[19:32] <mup> PR snapd#6432 closed: interfaces: add block-devices interface - 2.37 <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6432>
[19:32] <mup> PR snapd#6433 closed: tests: update fedora 29 workers to speed up the whole testing time <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6433>
[19:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#2449 closed: Release changelog for 3.1 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2449>
[19:49] <mup> PR snapd#6434 opened: interfaces: add u2f-devices interface <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6434>
[20:04] <mup> PR snapd#6435 opened: interfaces: add display-control interface - 2.37 <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6435>
[21:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#2452 opened: Fix typo in comments <Created by Lin-Buo-Ren> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2452>


[11:24] <tux_boy> hi
 For the Lubuntu developers in here
 I really want to thank you for the excellent job you did
 booted up
 at my older laptop Lubuntu only uses 330MB RAM
 this is an example Windows can learn form a lot
[13:38] <oerheks> !yay


[09:31] <tdr112> morning all
[09:31] <tdr112> have we book the place for tomorrow
[09:32] <czajkowski> pello
[09:32] <ebel> yes, i think slashtom will do it
[09:34] <slashtom> i will see to it this afternoon
[09:35]  * slashtom goes to search google for the cryptic link to the loco directory stuffs, to find how many are registered
[09:35] <tdr112> ok book me 2 places
[09:35] <ebel> slashtom: go to loco directory → irish team it should list upcoming events
[09:36] <slashtom> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ie/1278/detail/ - was does registration status mean?
[09:36] <slashtom> ok tdr112, that puts us on 8
[09:40] <tdr112> good stuff
[13:28] <slashtom> Cactus Jacks is booked for tomorrow at 5pm, table for 8, in the name of Ubuntu Ireland!
[13:29] <ebel> Cool thanks slashtom
[13:30] <delcoyote> enjoy!
[13:36] <czajkowski> TREllis: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac meet your new Community Council
[13:36] <czajkowski> bah
[13:36] <czajkowski> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/cgi-perl/civs/results.pl?id=E_234037fcede80bac meet your new Community Council
[13:54] <tdr112> czajkowski: so you got on it ?
[13:55] <czajkowski> yup
[13:55] <czajkowski> I got in 3rd
[13:55] <czajkowski> there were 7 places
[13:57] <tdr112> i was wondering a bit as it said lost to
[13:57] <tdr112> but good stuff
[14:04] <ebel> czajkowski: weren't you always on the community council?
[14:04] <tdr112> i think that was the loco one
[14:08] <czajkowski> loco and membership
[14:14] <slashtom> hey airurando
[14:14] <slashtom> table booked for tomorrow at 5pm
[14:16] <airurando> Hi slashtom
[14:16] <airurando> Just logged in on phone after reading the IRC logs
[14:17] <slashtom> ah yes, i must pass on the meeting next week
[14:17] <airurando> I hope I had made it clear earlier that I can't make the food.
[14:17] <slashtom> i have better things to do (work social), but have nothing to add - ubuntu hour will be going ahead as planned
[14:17] <slashtom> aye, you did
[14:18] <airurando> Don't worry another the meeting.
[14:18] <airurando> Cool
[14:18] <tdr112> we have a meeting
[14:18] <airurando> Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow
[14:18] <airurando> Tdr112 next Wednesday.
[14:20] <airurando> Is porterhouse on parliament st the place for drinks after the food?
[14:20] <airurando> I hope to make it in for sometime before 9.
[14:21] <airurando> Work is chaotic at the mo.
[14:21] <tdr112> airurando: we think so not 100%
[14:21] <airurando> Must get back to it.
[14:22] <airurando> Air if not I will ring you.
[14:22] <airurando> Sur*
[14:22] <airurando> Bye
[14:26] <slashtom> yes, yes it is


[22:00] <linuxthefish> iran yes
[22:28] <linuxthefish> is there much usage of linux and open source hardware in iran?


[01:31] <teward> ubuntu-studio in #ubuntu is trolling and being generally disruptive
[01:31] <teward> only reason i called !ops was to trigger the mass ops ping
[05:13] <phunyguy> forwarding retroispresto here via ban.  He needs a talking to.
[05:26] <phunyguy> The "talking" should be in regards to the nick changing, and now baiting with the nick changing.  "Someone here said they liked the nick whac-a-retro the best"
[05:47] <elky> i did, because it's apropos whack a mole
[05:47] <elky> which is true of trying to keep track of him
[06:11] <phunyguy> :)
[12:06] <cfhowlett> greetings ops: please check the !nomodeset factoid.  image links are dead.  thank you.
[13:16] <k1l_> sorry {^^TIBS01^} that vpn hoster is banned.
[18:21] <bazhang> spinat> im looking for some beta tester
[18:21] <bazhang> why did I read that as forkbomb tester
[18:28] <rww> because you're burned out >:D
[18:28] <bazhang> sorry about that ego stats thing rww
[18:29] <rww> what's an ego stats thing
[18:29] <rww> oh
[18:29] <bazhang> eg0-sum vendetta project guy
[18:29] <rww> ##chat thing. no worries
[18:30] <bazhang> he completely flipped out at all the ops there, including staffer
[18:30] <bazhang> so not just you, if that helps at all
[18:31] <rww> *shrug* i was bored of freenode meta craziness anyway, am sticking to the Ubuntu namespace
[18:31] <bazhang> ok
[18:31] <bazhang> just felt I had to say it, at any rate
[23:58]  * valorie is about to go afk, and there is a "wowaname" in #ubuntu-women who is giving me all the wrong vibes


[00:00] <Krenair> okay so I should run a command to finish the upgrade in the mounted drive, but chrooted so it thinks it runs on the drive
[00:00] <daftykins> correct
[00:03] <Krenair> daftykins, tried to install 'dchroot' as the page suggests, it can't be located
[00:04] <daftykins> shouldn't be necessary, just "sudo mkdir /mnt/chroot" then "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /mnt/chroot"
[00:05] <daftykins> then "sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/chroot/proc"
[00:05] <Krenair> done
[00:05] <daftykins> that should be enough, then "chroot /mnt/chroot"
[00:05] <daftykins> not sure if that needs sudo or not
[00:06] <Krenair> ok, great
[00:06] <Krenair> now I need to finish the upgrade
[00:06] <daftykins> then try "sudo apt-get update"
[00:06] <daftykins> to see if it has networking
[00:06] <Krenair> I'm root, don't need sudo
[00:06] <Krenair> hm, no networking
[00:06] <daftykins> it might just be lacking DNS
[00:07] <daftykins> open another terminal that's still in the live session - presumably that's online fine?
[00:07] <Krenair> yeah, I just logged it into the wifi
[00:07] <daftykins> cool
[00:07] <Krenair> but the programs under chroot can't use it
[00:07] <daftykins> so in the chroot terminal, you may need to force some DNS server IPs by overwriting /etc/resolv.conf
[00:08] <daftykins> it'll need to contain at least "nameserver x.x.x.x" where those X's are either your router IP, or just pick something like google's with <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:08] <Krenair> that apparently doesn't exist, creating
[00:08] <Krenair> yay, apt-get update runs now
[00:08] <daftykins> excellent
[00:09] <daftykins> now try a "sudo apt-get -f install"
[00:09] <Krenair> it said run dpkg --configure -a
[00:09] <Krenair> which appears to be completing the install
[00:09] <daftykins> :)
[00:09] <Krenair> Might this fix the issue with initramfs?
[00:10] <daftykins> it may
[00:10] <Krenair> great
[00:10] <Krenair> thanks for all your help so far daftykins
[00:10] <Krenair> (especially at this ridiculous hour)
[00:10] <daftykins> :) my pleasure
[00:11] <daftykins> i'm often on the nightowl shift
[00:11] <Krenair> ugh. lots of dependency issues
[00:11] <Krenair> it's leaving lots of thing unconfigured
[00:12] <Krenair> and halts processing after too many...
[00:12] <daftykins> is it still going or completed?
[00:12] <Krenair> it stopped
[00:12] <Krenair> too many errors
[00:13] <daftykins> erk, perhaps it's in a significantly broken state neither in the prior OS nor in the new
[00:13] <daftykins> stuck in limbo
[00:13] <Krenair> I'll try apt-get -f install now
[00:15] <Krenair> which appears to be setting up a lot of stuff, not many errors
[00:15] <Krenair> maybe it'll even resolve some issues the other command was having
[00:16] <daftykins> could be, apt-get doing the install is kinda the daddy to dpkg as the child in some ways
[00:21] <daftykins> how's it looking?
[00:21] <Krenair> still running
[00:21] <Krenair> It actually just ran update-initramfs
[00:21] <daftykins> mmm lots to do perhaps
[00:21] <daftykins> ooh
[00:21] <Krenair> Which is one of the commands that got me into this mess
[00:22] <daftykins> perhaps configured right now
[00:22] <daftykins> right as in correctly
[00:22] <Krenair> ah, okay
[00:22] <Krenair> so it just finished and listed some errors
[00:22] <daftykins> can you pastebin them?
[00:22] <Krenair> one moment
[00:24] <Krenair> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/3WLxCZps
[00:26] <Krenair> not particularly useful
[00:27] <daftykins> sec
[00:28] <Krenair> also http://pastebin.com/tCHz90yw
[00:30] <daftykins> running it again continue at all?
[00:31] <daftykins> ah it is missing /dev/pts
[00:31] <daftykins> think that can sometimes be an extra step in a chroot
[00:32] <Krenair> do we need that?
[00:32] <daftykins> not sure
[00:36] <daftykins> apt-get -f install just keep repeating now?
[00:36] <daftykins> or does it attempt to make progress :D
[00:36] <Krenair> looks like it is not making any more changes
[00:36] <daftykins> from your pastebins where it says "...but it is not configured yet"
[00:36] <daftykins> try running "dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>" on some of those
[00:37] <Krenair>  /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: network-manager is broken or not fully installed
[00:37] <daftykins> hrmm
[00:38] <daftykins> well that's pretty conclusive
[00:38] <Krenair> my system is broken?
[00:38] <daftykins> just that package
[00:38] <Krenair> well
[00:38] <Krenair> and all the other packages listed
[00:39] <Krenair> like libpam-systemd:amd64 (that looks like a fairly important package, just going by name...)
[00:39] <Krenair> aptdaemon
[00:39] <Krenair> pulseaudio, ubuntu-system-service, policykit-1
[00:40] <daftykins> i presume an attempt of "apt-get install --reinstall network-manager" will just complain about other stuff not working?
[00:42] <Krenair> daftykins, E: Internal Error, No file name for network-manager:amd64
[00:44] <Krenair> daftykins, maybe I should try booting and see what happens?
[00:46] <daftykins> sure
[00:47] <daftykins> i think as you pointed out some pretty serious stuff is broken though
[00:56] <Krenair> daftykins, yay, it booted
[00:56] <Krenair> and got to the login screen
[00:56] <Krenair> some styling a bit messed up, but meh
[00:56] <daftykins> hehe
[00:57] <daftykins> surprising
[00:57] <daftykins> it could probably still do with a lot of sorting out
[00:57] <Krenair> I can log in!
[00:57] <Krenair> And see my files!
[00:57] <daftykins> step 1: backup time :D
[00:57] <Krenair> Thank you so much daftykins !
[00:58] <Krenair> (but we still have stuff to do.)
[00:58] <daftykins> hehe
[00:58] <daftykins> glad i could help
[00:59] <Krenair> Running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" now. "sudo apt-get -f install" next.
[01:01] <daftykins> i'm gonna have to head to bed now
[01:01] <Krenair> yay, looks like that fixed everything.
[01:01] <daftykins> oh really :O
[01:01] <Krenair> thank you again daftykins
[01:01] <daftykins> excellent 8)
[01:02] <daftykins> np! you may repay me by backing up ;)
[01:02] <daftykins> g'night \o
[01:02] <Krenair> g'night
[04:17] <mapp> oh
[04:18] <mapp> no
[08:23] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <SuperMat1> morning
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[09:44] <Myrtti_> D is explaining me his school. Finnish schools don't have houses, so I have to draw from my circle of experience. "Is it like Gryffindor?" :-D
[09:45] <brobostigon> :)
[09:45] <Myrtti_> "YOU WENT TO HOGWARTS!"
[09:45] <brobostigon> i think any little boy or girl would be excited by that.
[09:46] <Myrtti_> I didn't realise how the school holidays went either before I read HP's
[09:51] <brobostigon> hp's?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> harry potter
[09:54] <brobostigon> yes, sorry. brain fail. brian still half asleep
[09:55] <brobostigon> brain*
[10:07] <bashrc> morning
[12:44] <brobostigon> why would two seperate domains, result in, one pointing at /var/www and the other pointing at /var/www/wordpress and both resulting in the same page coming up.?
[12:45] <penguin42> because you've accidentally overridden the wordpress one with the /var/www one?
[12:46] <brobostigon> the only thing i can think of, is for some reason both domains seem to be pointing at /var/www/wordpress ,
[12:46] <brobostigon> the question is why, where do i look.
[12:46] <penguin42> I guess at the site def for the wordpress one?
[12:46] <penguin42> but I'm not good at debugging this stuff
[12:46] <brobostigon> def ?
[12:47] <penguin42> the thing in apach2/sites-available?
[12:48] <brobostigon> http://pastebin.com/bGip14pR
[12:50] <brobostigon> that the one pointing at wordpress.
[12:50] <penguin42> and what's the other one you have?
[12:50] <brobostigon> thats the only one in there, except for 000-default.conf  default-ssl.conf
[12:53] <penguin42> ok, so that's setting DocumentRoot which I think will set it for the whole host
[12:53] <penguin42> what do you actually want to do?
[12:54] <brobostigon> i want the right domain, pointing at the right place, one pointing at wordpress the other pointing at /var/www
[12:56]  * penguin42 doesn't know how multiple domain names on the same thing work, but I read that as saying that for that port you get that document root, so I don't see how it selects based on the name
[13:00] <brobostigon> so i change that documentroot, and theoreticlly it should point at the right place again?
[13:01] <penguin42> but I don't understand what you've done for your other domain
[13:02] <brobostigon> with MartijnVdS's help the other day, i setup the virtualdomain, for the domain welltravelledbear.co.uk to point at the wordpress folder.
[13:03] <brobostigon> i dont know either, why that wont point at the place.
[13:05] <penguin42> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/vhosts/name-based.html
[13:06] <penguin42> so I think you need another one of those virtualhost sections with the other serveralias/servername that you want
[13:06] <brobostigon> so i setup another virtualhost to point at /var/www ?
[13:06] <penguin42>  'If no matching ServerName or ServerAlias is found in the set of virtual hosts containing the most specific matching IP address and port combination, then the first listed virtual host that matches that will be used.'
[13:06] <penguin42> yeh I think so
[13:07] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:08] <penguin42> because my reading of that page is that if you don't have a servername/alias match then it just picks the 1st one
[13:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:13] <brobostigon> that seems to have done it.
[13:13] <brobostigon> ty penguin42
[14:49] <beilby> Ubuntu 14.04 please help, I cannot get one user to use a password at logon, user has a password set
[14:52] <penguin42> is that just because they have the automatic login set?
[14:53] <beilby> no, automatic login is not set
[14:53] <beilby> to see if that would help I did set automatic login then reboot then remove again and reboot
[14:57] <beilby> account was originally created without a password I think, then a password was set from command line, passwd, then was changed using the user settings dialog, we still have a situation where the user does not need to enter a password at desktop logon
[15:22] <Krenair> So last night with the help of daftykins I managed to get my laptop back to a usable state. Now I've noticed some minor issues:
[15:22] <Krenair> When I lock the computer and then go back on, I get two login screens, one after the other
[15:23] <Krenair> On the main signon screen there is a white patch around where the user name and password input are
[15:23] <Krenair> There is a similar white patch on the calendar around the alternative (non-local) clocks
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> I still use 12.04.  Would I be correct in assuming it's ok to also install 14.04 to spare partition?
[15:28] <SuperEngineer>  switch back to 12.04 & reinstal Grub from 12.04 to correct the order of things in grub selection & also be able select 14.04 [to give it a better try than just using live dvd]?
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> [yeah gads - that was a long winded question!]
[15:35] <penguin42> yeh that should work
[15:36] <beilby> still have the issue
[15:36] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: just be careful you know exactly which disk you're installing to
[15:39] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: will do ;)
[15:43] <popey> penguin42: no crash yet with upstream 3.14
[15:44] <penguin42> popey: Promising - then you just have to apply the internal blame resolution operator
[15:45] <popey> ☻
[15:47]  * SuperEngineer ponders on whether the release of 12.04 was 2 weeks too early...
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> If they'd just waited until after the my op... I could have done as sooo much bug hunting!
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> [or have been sooo much of a pain in backside for reporting duplicates]  ;)
[15:48] <popey> 12.04?
[15:48] <popey> i keep mistyping 14.04 as 12.04
[15:49] <beilby> what is the best thing to do with this user login without password issue?
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> popey: correct - I do appear to be suffering the same 12.04 / 14.04 temptation.. is this a bug???
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> bug: CRITICAL  no auto catch in 12.04 when meaning to type 14.04 or vice versa
[15:51] <popey> http://launchpad.net/popey file a bug ☻
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: file it against dwim
[15:52] <Krenair> Also all of gedit's menus are disabled
[16:01] <beilby> okay will submit as a bug
[16:14] <SuperEngineer> bug #1315902
[16:15]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist
[16:27] <beilby> not sure if anyone is or has talked to me but have logged bug Bug 1315901
[16:32] <shauno> beilby: what does passwd --status thatuser say ?
[16:33] <beilby> P 05/04/2014 0 99999 7 -1
[16:34] <shauno> hm, so it's not locked.  odd
[16:38] <penguin42> beilby: Tried logging in on the text console?
[16:38] <beilby> no
[16:38] <daftykins> what does that user's /etc/passwd entry look like?
[16:39] <beilby> we get asked for password when installing packages etc.
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> beilby: I think you have just looged your bug against popey!  Try looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[16:40] <beilby> used the link in IRC text
[16:43] <Myrtti_> who was it who had the ubuntu spicecollecton hot or not, AlanBell_ ?
[16:44] <beilby> logging into the text console works with current password, does not work with a simple carriage return, I get to text console with CTRL,ALT,F2... is that correct?
[16:45] <penguin42> yep
[16:45] <penguin42> beilby: OK, so I think you're saying you can login to the text console, but not through the GUI?
[16:46] <beilby> I can login at the GUI without a password using enter key or mouse click
[16:47] <beilby> I can login to both, text console requires password GUI does not require password, would like password protection
[16:47] <penguin42> nod
[16:48] <beilby> passwd is hashed (/usr/bin/passwd)
[16:48] <penguin42> we know that there is a password since that's what the text login is doing
[16:48] <beilby> indeed
[16:49] <penguin42> so it's only the lightdm config I guess that can autologin stuff?
[16:49] <beilby> big security issue, the GUI does not require it to give access
[16:49] <penguin42> right, but it's something that you're allowed to enable like that
[16:50] <beilby> so need to disable
[16:50] <penguin42> beilby: Can you cehck /etc/lightdm
[16:50] <beilby> from command line?
[16:50] <penguin42> beilby: I've got a /etc/lightdm/users.conf   with [UserAccounts] section showing minnimum-uid, hidden-users and hidden-shells
[16:51] <penguin42> beilby: Yeh command line, are there any other files in /etc/lightdm or any other items in users.conf ?
[16:51]  * SuperEngineer logs off to instal 14.04 on spare partition
[16:52] <beilby> lightdm.conf  users.conf
[16:52] <penguin42> beilby: Right, do you have an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf - when I turned on auto login it added an entry to lightdm.conf
[16:52] <penguin42> beilby: You should find it says autologin-user=youruser
[16:53] <penguin42> beilby: so just to confirm as well, if you go to system settings, user accounts, select the user with the problem what does the 'Automatic Login' thing show?
[16:53] <beilby> how do I display contents of lightdm.conf
[16:53] <penguin42> cat lightdm.conf
[16:53] <beilby> automatic login off in system settings
[16:54] <penguin42> ok, what does that lightdm.conf look like
[16:54] <beilby> [SeatDefaults] autologin-user=
[16:55] <beilby> just those 2 lines
[16:57]  * penguin42 is out of ideas - since that's where it seems to put users with autologins
[16:58] <beilby> auto ogin is disabled, this user does not autologin
[16:58] <beilby> you have to login manually
[16:59] <penguin42> oh hmm, so you have to login manually - but it just works with a return?
[16:59] <beilby> thats right yes
[16:59] <penguin42> oh hmm
[17:00] <beilby> where is that setting? seems strange given there is a password associated
[17:00] <penguin42> I didn't know what you're seeing is possible
[17:00] <beilby> would you agree it is a security issue then?
[17:01] <penguin42> beilby: On your system yes, but it's not obvious to me what's wrong on your system yet
[17:01]  * penguin42 will be back in ~20mins - I have a crumble to crumble
[17:02] <beilby> sorry, I am no expert on Linux thanks for your help
[17:25] <penguin42> beilby: OK, how many users do you have on this system?
[17:35] <beilby> 2 users
[17:36] <beilby> actually logged in as affected user atm
[17:37] <penguin42> beilby: OK, and the two users, do they have similar usernames - it's not like one is a shorter version of the other or anything like that?  and the user with the problem, is the password 'normal' - i.e. no weird characters or anything?
[17:37] <beilby> no nothing like that
[17:38] <penguin42> ok
[17:40] <penguin42> beilby: So after you login as this user without the passowrd, I'd take a copy of /var/log/lightdm/x-0-greeter.log    you should see something like    Authentication complete for user  whatever  with return code 0        starting session ubuntu
[17:41] <penguin42> beilby: I'd check you are seeing that - there are a lot of other messages as well - that file is the one that has a lot of the login debug
[17:42] <beilby> getting cat: x-0-greeter.log: Permission denied
[17:43] <beilby> got it with sudo
[17:45] <beilby> yes I see Authentication complete for user  whatever  with return code 0
[17:47] <beilby> also seeing Starting session ubuntu quite a few lines lower
[17:48] <penguin42> beilby: OK, I think you need to file your bug by running the command     ubuntu-bug unity-greeter
[17:49] <brobostigon> stargate, ch5, :)
[17:52] <beilby> what should I put under further information?
[17:53] <penguin42> beilby: You'd describe everything
[17:53] <beilby> copy this transcript then?
[17:53] <penguin42> beilby: Things like the way you need the password for a text login, the information about how it didn't originally have a password, then you set it, the contents of those /etc/lightdm files that we looked at before
[17:54] <penguin42> beilby: can do - but don't miss anything out
[17:55] <penguin42> beilby: Be clear about what works and what doesn't
[17:59] <beilby> how about this
[17:59] <beilby> two users on this system, other user works as exprcted. Other user does not, my understanding is that the faulty user was originally set without a password. Later a password was set with passwd, from this point onwards logging on to text console worked as expected with a password but logging on to GUI did not require a password simply pressing enter key was sufficient to logon
[18:02] <penguin42> beilby: Put the important stuff first - the important stuff is that you can login with just the enter key on the gui, then make sure to note that it's only the gui
[18:04] <beilby> draft 2
[18:04] <beilby> Firstly I can logon with the affected account simply by pressing the enter key but only on the GUI. There are two users on this system, one user works as expected. Other user does not, my understanding is that the faulty user was originally set without a password. Later a password was set with passwd, from this point onwards logging on to text console worked as expected with a password but logging on to GUI did not require a password simply pre
[18:04] <beilby> ssing enter key was sufficient to logon. Beyond this the password has been changed using the user settings dialog, also, automatic login has been enabled and enacted then removed again to no avail.
[18:05] <penguin42> yeh go for it
[18:05] <beilby> ticking  This bug is a security vulnerability?
[18:07] <penguin42> beilby: Not sure - we don't know what's actually wrong on your machine
[18:10] <beilby> OK done, my new bug is 1315919
[18:10] <beilby> what do I do about bug 1315901
[18:11] <penguin42> are you sure it's 919 - I don't see it
[18:11] <penguin42> oh, did you mark it security?
[18:12] <beilby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1315919
[18:13] <beilby> user has password but GUI gives access to system without a password Edit    Ubuntu    “unity-greeter” package    Bugs    Bug #1315919
[18:14] <penguin42> beilby: Yeh it's hiding that one - I think because you set security on it, the security guys will look at it
[18:14] <beilby> yes I think so
[18:14] <beilby> what do I do about bug 1315901?
[18:15] <beilby> do I need to change information type on 919?
[18:15] <penguin42> you should be able to close it
[18:16]  * penguin42 goes to consume crumble
[18:16] <beilby> not seeing that option
[18:30] <beilby> how do I close bug 1315901? created in error
[18:41] <penguin42> beilby: I've closed it for you
[18:41] <beilby> Thank you for all your help
[18:41] <beilby> my preference is rhubarb
[18:46] <daftykins> noooo, apple!
[18:49]  * penguin42 burps apple crumble
[18:49] <penguin42> twas good
[18:49] <daftykins> :D
[18:49] <daftykins> so where's mine?
[18:49] <dwatkins> I had it.
[18:49] <daftykins> with hot custard i hope
[18:49] <daftykins> ugh i pop out for 5 mins and dwatkins swoops in :(
[18:50] <dwatkins> No, squirty cream.
[18:50] <daftykins> that's infinitely inferior
[18:51]  * penguin42 had his crumble neat
[18:52] <daftykins> :o
[18:55] <dwatkins> I hope there's lactose free custard.
[19:03] <daftykins> nope.
[19:03] <daftykins> should i call an ambulance?
[19:04] <daftykins> aaah finally able to add more data to my array now that it's happy
[19:04] <dwatkins> It's fine, normal milk just makes me fart a lot.
[19:05]  * penguin42 flicks the lighter
[19:06] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lm0b70y2ikmiqv/array.png
[19:06] <daftykins> oops.
[19:07] <penguin42> daftykins: You need a pile of 2TB drives
[19:11] <daftykins> i ordered some ;)
[20:41] <Azelphur> what's the easiest way to move contacts from an iPhone to Android?
[21:05] <maps|wrk> gah regular expressions confuse me
[21:14] <daftykins> Azelphur: i think a mate bought an app when he upgraded ;)
[21:15] <daftykins> maybe that was more a Windows prog
[21:16] <maps|wrk> windows eh
[21:18] <shauno> there's an app "my contacts backup" that'll export to vcf (yeah it's third-party, but it's free if you've got less than 500 contacts - http://mycontactsbackup.globile.biz )
[21:28] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/xcmd355.jpg
[21:29] <daftykins> wow.
[21:41] <penguin42> that's ....odd
[22:05] <popey> penguin42: 3.14 - still crashed
[22:19] <penguin42> popey: hmm, and it's a solid hang - but alt-sysrq works?
[22:28] <ali1234> popey: who is responsible for the ubuntu irc logs?
[22:28] <ali1234> it would be infinitely easier to use if they were stored by channel/year/month/day instead of year/month/day/channel
[22:28] <ali1234> this could even be done with symlinks, thus not breaking existing links
[23:16] <penguin42> popey: SO you've got an ssh into this laptop from somewhere else; can you just leave it running a vmstat 1    it should print out a line of stuff every second


[08:16] <Mirv> anyone else using vivid with encrypted home dir, finding login problems in recent days (like, since yesterday)?
[08:17] <Mirv> lightdm shows as if my user wouldn't have password (just "log in"), and it doesn't work.. if I log in from tty1 (unlocking home dir) and log out, after that the log in from lightdm works without password. extremely strange.
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> Hey all


[01:53] <Destine> Hi, I am the operator of #ubuntu-cn and also the loco contact of Ubuntu China LoCo. We've got a problem here that the +F person, BlueTraveller has long gone. Is there anyway we can re-gain the +F flag?
[01:54] <Destine> Voidzone, nice to see you here.
[01:55] <Voidzone> not so nice
[01:56] <Destine> Voidzone, ok.
[01:57] <Voidzone> why you no ask your question
[01:57] <Destine> Voidzone, I have asked, before you joined.
[01:58] <Destine> Voidzone, nobody answered so far.
[05:25] <Unit193> Destine: Howdy.  So you may have to wait a bit, it' being night over here and in the UK.
[05:27] <Destine> Unit193, sure.
[05:27] <Destine> Uni
[05:28] <Destine> Unit193, thank you.
[05:36] <Unit193> Sure. :)
[05:37] <Unit193> IRCC pingy, too.
[22:11] <Finrod> hggdh, thanks for granting me access to the #kubuntu channel
[22:11] <Finrod> Could I enter the #kubuntu channel today, to begin my two-week probationary period?
[22:18] <ikonia> Finrod: at this time the ban hasn't been removed as myself and some other members of the operator team where not happy about you using the channels.
[22:18] <ikonia> I'm sorry if thats been miss-communicated to you
[22:19] <Finrod> I received an email from hggdh a few days ago, which confirmed that I am allowed to enter the #kubuntu channel
[22:20] <ikonia> yes
[22:20] <ikonia> and we spoke about it since then and agreed that there needed to be more discussion about it as other members of the team where not comfortable with that
[22:20] <ikonia> apologies if that's caused confusion
[22:23] <Finrod> hggdh responded to all of my questions in a detailed manner, and clarified your expectations and the conditions of my probation with respect to the #kubuntu channel
[22:23] <ikonia> Finrod: yes, I understand that
[22:24] <Finrod> I received that info in an email from hddgh on Oct 28
[22:24] <ikonia> and I've just explained that when it was discussed with the rest of the operator team, some of the team where not happy with the desicision
[22:24] <ikonia> so we decided not to remove the ban at this time,
[22:24] <ikonia> I'm sorry for the confusing communication
[22:24] <ikonia> I'm sure something will be sent out to clarify this for you
[22:24] <Finrod> He said the council agreed to all of the probationary conditions proposed by both me and Svetlana
[22:24] <ikonia> yes, I understand that
[22:25] <ikonia> but I'm just going to repeat what I've said again
[22:25] <ikonia> and I've just explained that when it was discussed with the rest of the operator team, some of the team where not happy with the desicision
[22:25] <ikonia> I'm sure something will be sent out to clarify this for you
[22:25] <ikonia> I'm sorry for the confusing communication
[22:26] <Finrod> We proposed the conditions on Sept 17, so the council had a lot of  time to consider and they made a decision and communcated their decision to me on Oct 28
[22:26] <ikonia> Finrod: please try to listen
[22:26] <ikonia> the decision changed after the operator team explained they where not happy with that decision
[22:26] <ikonia> so repeating that you have an email stating this is understood,
[22:27] <ikonia> and please try to understand that on review that decision was changed
[22:29] <Finrod> the council has a higher authority than the operators, so the appeal process cannot go to a higher authority, unless it goes to the community council.  That is my understanding
[22:30] <ikonia> the council represent the end user (in this case you) and the operator team and make decisions
[22:30] <ikonia> based on talking to the operator team the decision was changed
[22:30] <ikonia> hence why the ban has not been removed
[22:30] <ikonia> this was only discused 48 hours ago
[22:30] <ikonia> so you've not had any communication yet, and I'm sorry for that
[22:32] <Finrod> the ban is already 2.5 months old, and I have written eight letters to the council since then regarding the bans.  How long is this going to take, another 3 months?
[22:33] <ikonia> the ban is 3 months old because we don't think you can use the channels
[22:33] <ikonia> and the ban won't be removed until we think you can use the channels
[22:33] <ikonia> so you can right 200000+ emails, and it won't change anything
[22:33] <ikonia> what will change it is if you can use IRC inline with how we expect people to use IRC
[22:33] <ikonia> (this has been explained to you many times)
[22:34] <ikonia> there isn't a time frame on it
[22:34] <ikonia> it will take as long as it takes for you to be able to use IRC inline with the expectations of the channel
[22:36] <Finrod> I am banned from three channels, but I have not violated any CoC rules for about two months in any ubuntu channels
[22:37] <ikonia> yes, because you are banned from them all
[22:37] <ikonia> you can't break any rules in the channels when you're banned from them
[22:37] <ikonia> I'll try to summerise one last time
[22:37] <Finrod> No, I am only banned from these channels:  #ubuntu, #kubuntu, and #xubuntu
[22:38] <ikonia> I can't continue to go over this again
[22:38] <ikonia> and #lubuntu
[22:38] <ikonia> you can't break their rules, when you are banned from them
[22:38] <ikonia> so it is pointless to say you've not broken any rules
[22:42] <Finrod> I have been using the other ubuntu channels for about two years now without any problems, regardless of the channel specific bans, which hggdh confirmed in his last email
[22:42] <ikonia> now you're just telling lies
[22:43] <ikonia> a.) when you initially got banned you said "I'm new"
[22:43] <ikonia> now you're saying you've been using channels for 2 years
[22:43] <ikonia> b.) what oher channels have you been using while you've been banned ?
[22:43] <ikonia> actually - I'm not getting caught up in this
[22:43] <Finrod> I believe I have been using the ubuntu channels for almost two years now
[22:43] <ikonia> then you should not have lied and said "I'm new"
[22:44] <ikonia> I suggest you continue to mail the council with your complaint
[22:44] <ikonia> just understand that mailing the council is not a promise to get unbanned
[22:44] <ikonia> it's a promise that your situation will be reviewed
[22:44] <Finrod> I believe I opened my freenode account about two years ago
[22:45] <ikonia> 22:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on SamwiseGamgee (account SamwiseGamgee):
[22:45] <ikonia> 22:45 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered : Apr 08 22:56:12 2014 (29
[22:45] <ikonia> 29 weeks ago
[22:45] <ikonia> and you deined being "lars" from 2 years ago and said "I'm new here"
[22:45] <ikonia> so you told lies
[22:46] <ikonia> so I suggest we leave it there
[22:46] <ikonia> mail the council
[22:46] <ikonia> nothing more is going to happen in this channel
[22:47] <Finrod> ikonia, could you be more cooperative and less accusatory.  I did not come here to argue or to fight, that is not a good way to communicate
[22:47] <ikonia> I am being clear and cooperative
[22:47] <ikonia> I'm stating clear facts for you
[22:47] <ikonia> a.) you said "I'm new here"
[22:47] <ikonia> that is a lie
[22:47] <ikonia> b.) you said I've been on for 2 years
[22:47] <ikonia> your account is 29 weeks old of which 3+ months you've been banned
[22:48] <Finrod> That's because I had two accounts
[22:48] <ikonia> right
[22:48] <ikonia> and when we asked you about the other account
[22:48] <ikonia> you deined it was you
[22:48] <ikonia> as that other account was also banned
[22:48] <Finrod> So, if you include both accounts, it's been about two years.
[22:49] <ikonia> so you have made a situation where a good chunk of the operator team would like you not to use the channel
[22:49] <ikonia> so the ban has been left in place
[22:49] <Finrod> Actually, I don't think my first account was banned
[22:49] <ikonia> so I suggest stop trying to defend your actions in here - we know them, we understand them
[22:49] <ikonia> it's not going to change in here
[22:49] <ikonia> email the council and i'm sure you'll get a clarifing response
[22:49] <ikonia> (you should get one anyway)
[22:50] <Finrod> It was not working, because the old account was hooked up to Quassel and Windows.  I believe I created a new account when I installed Xubuntu about a year ago
[22:50] <ikonia> the account is 29 weeks old
[22:50] <ikonia> that is not a dispute
[22:50] <ikonia> and to be honest it doesn't matter
[22:50] <Finrod> No Quassel with Kubuntu
[22:50] <ikonia> this is part of th reason we don't want you to use the channel
[22:50] <ikonia> you seem unable to listen to instruction/take in information
[22:50] <bekks> Oh, I think I git the wrong channel ;) bye bye :)
[22:51] <ikonia> so understand
[22:51] <ikonia> "your ban is still in place, the council members should mail you, but if you feel the need email them for clarification"
[22:51] <k1l> Finrod: you received a lot of kicks and bans on you different nicknames and accounts. and you just did setup the finrod nick to evade the ban set up on samwisegee nickname. so dont tell us you are innocent and the bad ops are making a regular user a hard life.
[22:51] <ikonia> nothing more to be discussed in this channel at this time
[22:52] <Finrod> I don't think I was ever kicked or banned when using my old lars account.  This did not start happening until I entered the ubuntu channels.  Ask Freenode.  Look at my history
[22:53] <zombiefox> freenode does not keep either kick or ban histories.
[22:53] <Finrod> I never had any problems in the #kubuntu channel for about two years, and I certainly never broke any CoC rules in the #kubuntu channel.  I am absolutely certain about that.  That is a fact.
[22:54] <k1l> i know you like to draw the picture that "we" are the the bad ones here. but its actually your behaviour. as shown right here you change nicks and accounts to get what you want. you evade bans and join other channels to get the support which is offtopic in there.
[22:54] <ikonia> I suggest we drop this
[22:54] <ikonia> it's not going to change anything in here
[22:54] <ikonia> he knows what he's doing
[22:54] <Finrod> Even in the last 2.5 months, I have never violated any CoC rules in the kubuntu channel, look at the logs
[22:54] <ikonia> so let the council deal with it
[22:55] <zombiefox> ikonia: I am not out of popcorn yet
[22:55] <ikonia> we are being suckered into another debate on this
[22:55] <Finrod> Everything I said is based on evidence in the logs, not hearsay
[22:55] <ikonia> then mail it to the council
[22:56] <k1l> Finrod: that is not how this works. you cant troll on purpose in #ubuntu* channels and then say: i didnt troll at that other channel so i need to be unbanned.
[22:56] <rww> oh, so you are 100% lars
[22:56] <rww> thanks for the confirmation
[23:00] <Finrod> I am trying to make my use of the ubuntu channels a positive and constructive experience.  I don't understand why you need try so hard to create controversy and drama.  Please relax and be a little more open minded.  I am a good person.  I try hard to be nice
[23:01] <Finrod> I have not offended anyone.  I only want to use the ubuntu channels to learn, to troubleshoot, and to be a member of good community of knowledgeable software specialists
[23:02] <Finrod> I don't like fighting and I don't want to cause any trouble, do you understand?
[23:03] <rww> Finrod: which flavor(s) of Ubuntu do you use? (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.)
[23:03] <Finrod> Xubuntu
[23:03] <rww> Finrod: why do you need access to #kubuntu, then?
[23:03] <Finrod> Just to prove my sincerity
[23:03] <Finrod> I am considering installing it on my new PC
[23:04] <rww> :|
[23:04] <Finrod> My old PC still has xubuntu
[23:04] <Finrod> I am using it now
[23:04] <rww> Finrod: have you made any changes to your behavior since the events that led to you contacting the IRCC repeatedly?
[23:04] <Finrod> I have never used any other linux OS: only xubuntu and kubuntu
[23:04] <rww> If so, please detail such.
[23:05] <Finrod> yes
[23:05] <Finrod> Svetlana has helped me change my behaviour
[23:05] <Finrod> I agreed to all her demands and have followed through
[23:06] <rww> Specifically how has your behavior changed?
[23:06] <Finrod> Plus I have been avoiding all the ubuntu channels, just to be sure, so I don't get into any  more trouble until the council makes their decisions
[23:06] <rww> I'm not familiar with your interactions with Svetlana, unfortunately.
[23:06] <Finrod> Svetlana knows my situation very well
[23:07] <Finrod> I believe she is both an ubuntu and a freenode operator
[23:08] <Finrod> She helped me install Chatzilla to keep track of everything in all the channels
[23:08] <Finrod> in the beginning I had some trouble with chatzilla and my nicknames
[23:08] <rww> Sec, I'm checking in with her.
[23:09] <Finrod> I wanted to keep using SamwiseGamgee, but we both agreed that SamwiseGamgee has become a pariah in the ubuntu channels
[23:09] <Finrod> in the channels where I was not banned, she agreed that I should create a new nickname, to avoid any further trouble
[23:10] <rww> I'm not particularly concerned with the nickname or Chatzilla issues personally, to be honest. My concern is that there was specific behavior that led to your removal from some of our channels, and I want to know whether that behavior has changed.
[23:10] <rww> and apart from "I have been avoiding ubuntu channels", you haven't detailed changed behavior, so please do so :)
[23:10] <Finrod> she was right, Finrod was working, any never had any more trouble since we created my Finrod nick
[23:11] <ikonia> thats not true
[23:11] <ikonia> you've been asked not to complain / rant in other channels about your ubuntu ban
[23:11] <ikonia> yet you've done so multiple times in #freenode
[23:11] <ikonia> and you've done that recently
[23:11] <Finrod> I told Freenode about my email troubles
[23:12] <ikonia> this is just lies now
[23:12] <rww> Also, for the record, Svetlana is not an Ubuntu operator.
[23:12] <ikonia> I don't have any interest
[23:12] <ikonia> rww: I apolgoies for interupting
[23:12] <ikonia> you can continue with additional interuption, good luck
[23:12] <Finrod> because council did not respond to my last 4 emails
[23:12] <rww> ikonia: no worries
[23:13] <rww> Finrod: So yes, back to on-topic. Examples of changed behavior since your original bans?
[23:13] <Finrod> the Freenode operators, such as Svetlana, have been very helpful in me dealing with the council by email
[23:13] <zombiefox> hai gry \o
[23:14] <Finrod> I stopped going into the ubuntu channels unless I got desperate with troubleshooting
[23:15] <elky> when was this break? didn't notice it
[23:15] <rww> Okay. How would you act differently in [/K/X]Ubuntu channels in the future?
[23:15] <Finrod> when I got desperate, i went into the #lubuntu channel and the #linux channel
[23:15] <rww> elky: I'd prefer to get my questions done with first, if it's okay.
[23:15] <elky> k
[23:15] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[23:15] <ikonia> oops
[23:15] <Finrod> I will use google more to do my own troubleshooting and the ubuntu forums
[23:15] <Finrod> Ikonia was right about the ubuntu forums
[23:16] <rww> You used #lubuntu for Xubuntu support? I believe we've discussed that sort of thing before, so I assume that will be stopping too.
[23:16] <Finrod> that means I can ask fewer stupid questions in the ubuntu channels
[23:16] <rww> Finrod: what's your Ubuntu Forums profile name?
[23:16] <Finrod> I was using you guys too much for tech support, getting lazy
[23:17] <Finrod> I should only go into the ubuntu channels as a last resort, after doing my own google searches and ubuntu tutorials
[23:18] <Finrod> I have been doing this a lot in the last month
[23:18] <rww> < rww> | Finrod: what's your Ubuntu Forums profile name?
[23:18] <Finrod> Doing my own troubleshooting, instead of making unnecessary demands on the ubuntu operators
[23:19] <Finrod> I have only used Finrod for everything in the last two months
[23:20] <Finrod> I had some problems with my nicks when I first started using Chatzilla, but Finrod has been working well, especially in the last month
[23:21] <Finrod> in the last full month, I have been extra careful about all the ubuntu channels I go into, in order to follow Svetlana's probationary conditions
[23:22] <Finrod> look at all the ubuntu logs for the last month, you'll see that I never even came close to violating any CoC rules in any unbuntu channel
[23:24] <Finrod> Rule one is to only use my Finrod nickname and no other nickname
[23:24] <Finrod> I have done that
[23:25] <Finrod> Also, I have remained polite to all the ubuntu operators
[23:26] <Finrod> in fact, have I ever offended or insulted any ubuntu operator any time in my history?
[23:27] <rww> Finrod: you said you've been using Ubuntu Forums. Do you have an account on there? Is it named Finrod or something else?
[23:27] <Finrod> I also agreed to never overreact to any operator action, and I have followed through on that condition
[23:27] <Finrod> No, I believe it is registered under a differrent name
[23:28] <rww> What name is that?
[23:28] <Finrod> I had a lot of trouble with it, but I think I got a new password in my Yahoo account
[23:28] <Finrod> but I found it easier to just read the forum stuff without posting anything
[23:30] <Finrod> I don't thinnk you need an active account to access the forums, but when I enter the forums I think it automatically uses my old account
[23:31] <rww> Okay. I can't really use posting on there to help show your behavior is appropriate, then :(
[23:31] <Finrod> I had asked for help with the forums in the ubuntu-forums channel, but got kicked right after the question
[23:32] <Finrod> but I should have just reset my password from my yahoo account
[23:33] <Finrod> ikonia is right about the forums.  Because he knows I take too long to respond to the ubuntu operators
[23:33] <Finrod> when they ask me questions
[23:33] <ikonia> you didn' get kicked out for asking for help
[23:33] <ikonia> you got kicked out because you refused to follow instructions
[23:34] <Finrod> yes, I need to be better prepared and stop being so lazy.  If I do my own troubleshooting beforehand, I can follow your instructions and questions more easily
[23:35] <Finrod> but I have been doing that in the #linux channel
[23:35] <Finrod> and in the #windows channel
[23:35] <Finrod> I am getting better at troubleshooting and communicating
[23:35] <elky> You haven't really managed to follow instructions here today in this channel. 3 requests for an account name while you ignore it to ramble is not looking good.
[23:36] <Finrod> ok, I'll check my journal....
[23:36] <Finrod> my old login was Genyar
[23:37] <Finrod> My first nickname may have been lars
[23:37] <Finrod> When I first started using Kubuntu
[23:37] <Finrod> probably two years ago
[23:37] <Finrod> I was using Quassel
[23:38] <Finrod> then I had to switch to Genyar, probably when I started accessing Freenode using Firefox
[23:39] <Finrod> Also, I started using Pastebin more to help the operators
[23:39] <Finrod> Recently
[23:39] <Finrod> for screenshots
[23:40] <Finrod> Now I know how to use Imgur and Pastebin for screenshots, to help the operators
[23:40] <Finrod> I have been doiing that in the ubuntu and other Freenode channels I still have access to, and it is working
[23:41] <Finrod> I also know more about the terminal emulator commands, to help the operators and to do my own troubleshooting
[23:41] <Finrod> I am really starting to love Xubuntu, I got some really cool applications now
[23:43] <Finrod> I also got a lot of help with Libre office in the last 2 months, and all the most recent updates
[23:43] <Finrod> So, if you grant me access to the three ubuntu channels I was banned from, it is unlikely that I will need to come in those channels as oftten as before
[23:44] <ikonia> the fact that you continue to keep talking repeating the same thing over and over when you've done almost nothing you've been asked to do
[23:45] <ikonia> or responded to any questions without having to be asked 3 - 4 times shows your behaviour has not changed at all
[23:45] <ikonia> I'd suggest (as I did earlier) you explain this to the council
[23:45] <ikonia> the council will talk with the team and yourself and get back to you
[23:48] <Finrod> Are you aware of the six probationary conditions we discussed in the emails?
[23:49] <ikonia> it doesn't really matter
[23:49] <ikonia> it wo'nt change anything at this moment in time
[23:49] <ikonia> so it's pointless to go over them
[23:51] <Finrod> the council accepted all six of them, so which of those conditions did you reject?
[23:52] <ikonia> none
[23:52] <ikonia> we (the people who where uncomfrotable) rejected you as a person
[23:52] <ikonia> hence why the ban was not removed
[23:52] <Finrod> ok, so you rejected all six of those conditions of my probation?
[23:52] <ikonia> no
[23:52] <ikonia> again LISTEN
[23:52] <ikonia> this is a big problem for you
[23:52] <ikonia> you say "did you reject them"
[23:53] <ikonia> I say "no"
[23:53] <ikonia> you say "so you rejected them all"
[23:53] <ikonia> it is pointless to have discussion with you as you just ignore what is said to you
[23:53] <ikonia> which is why it is probably wise for you to write an email
[23:53] <Finrod> ok, I will right another email to the council
[23:54] <ikonia> thank you
[23:54] <Finrod> write


[06:58] <freeflying> JackYu: ping
[06:59] <freeflying> JackYu: http://www.ubuntukylin.com/ukylin/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=876&extra=&page=1 this post is totally nonsense, fcitx does support qt/gtk native im module, the guy knows nothing, so the post can't be mark as 精华
[07:02] <JackYu> ok
[07:35] <freeflying> JackYu: btw, discuz is really not good in our case :)


[05:14] <Vortix> niggas
[05:19] <Eickmeyer> !ops | Vortix
[05:21] <Vortix> uh
[05:21] <Vortix> channel emergency idk what to do
[05:22] <Eickmeyer> Vortix: Racial slurs are against channel rules, Ubuntu code of conduct, AND Network rules.
[05:23] <Vortix> fair
[05:23] <Vortix> suprisingly that was a dre
[05:23] <Vortix> dare
[05:24] <Eickmeyer> Never do that again anywhere on this network.
[05:24] <Vortix> but im not suing ubutnu :sunglassesL
[05:24] <Vortix> ok
[05:24] <Vortix> uing ubuntu
[05:24] <Vortix> what is this spelling of mine
[05:25] <Eickmeyer> Kubuntu, perhaps? Still Ubuntu.
[05:25] <Vortix> is it even possible to get banned from uuntu
[05:25] <Vortix> ubuntu
[05:25] <Vortix> i have this app without kubuntu
[05:25] <Vortix> just a debian based os i made that took about 3 years and sucks really bad
[05:26] <Eickmeyer> From the Ubuntu channels? Yes. From every Ubuntu channel at once? Yes. From the entire libera network? Yes.
[05:26] <Vortix> but doesnt use ubuntu
[05:26] <Vortix> so ur saying
[05:26] <Vortix> i can get banned
[05:26] <Eickmeyer> That's fine, but that's completely off-topic here.
[05:26] <Vortix> from ubuntu network
[05:26] <Vortix> basically getting ip blocked
[05:26] <Vortix> nice
[05:27] <Vortix> this is discord but the twist is its made with tk from python and simple
[05:28] <Eickmeyer> This is not discord. This is an Internet Relay Chat network.
[05:28] <Vortix> no crap
[05:28] <Vortix> im comparing it
[05:28] <Eickmeyer> You should discuss in #libera, this is a support channel for Kubuntu.
[05:28] <Vortix> they are slightly close together
[05:28] <Vortix> o
[05:28] <Vortix> wish i knew that :skulllll:
[05:29] <Eickmeyer> It's in the topic line and the first thing you see when you enter.
[05:35] <kasey> hi
[05:35] <kasey> i need kubuntu support pls
[06:34] <Scotty1958> Hello? Anyone have an apt command to install the minimum Qt on Kubuntu 23.10 to support another software (automatic1111 web ui)?
 I cannot change the Login screen (SDDM), anyone else had the same issue ?
 I just change it and load another one from a file but it won't change
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ade6fbdd/file_70636.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6205aa6a/file_70637.jpg
 When i choose another wallpaper, the window disappears with an animation to the top. And when i logout or restart, no login screen is changed
[12:44] <BojanM> Hi! Does anyone use Steam Deck as desktop?
[13:17] <Ross36> I have a Canon tr4720, getting error unable to open print file permission denied, anyone know how to fix this issue?
[13:20] <dreamhawk> I have some video-stutter in Firefox 120 in KDE on Ubuntu 23.04. The video is choppy. Works flawless in Chrome. (its not on youtube). Trying to debug it without progress. Is there like an addon i can use, or is there some things in KDE that i should check? Or ubuntu?
[13:30] <MichaelP> Kubuntu 23.10  Firefox title bar only has the close button. How do i give it minimize and maximize buttons ? Everything else already has all 3 buttons.
[13:45] <mmikowski> MichaelP sound like you need to use preferences and set Firefox to is "native window decorations and borders". I know this is required for chrome, and iirc Firefox has a similar setting. https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/solved-window-decoration-theme-on-linux/67006
[13:46] <MichaelP> mmikowski: it's only this distro i had that happen with..
[13:59] <Ross36> I have a Canon tr4720, getting error unable to open print file permission denied, anyone know how to fix this issue?
[15:36] <user|59> HOE MOET IK MIJ LAPTOP RESETTEN
 Hi , im changing mirrors in kubuntu but its always not updating ...
[19:35] <sihanur> hey is there someone that can help rq
[19:36] <sihanur> i got fans problems with my lap, they are over spinning if you see what i mean
[19:36] <sihanur> wasn't doing that on windows
[19:37] <bprompt> rq?
[19:37] <sihanur> real quick
[19:40] <bprompt> sihanur: I'm assuming some Daemon running the cpu with many threads, hmmm don't you have a cpu monitor? I'd think it'd show lots of cpu activity, as in using up 40% or more unusually, that said, check KDE System Guard, it just a KDE running processes monitor, for any likely offenders
[19:41] <bprompt> sihanur: I run "indicator multiload", it shows quite a few info quickly from the systray, how much cpu, ram, swap used, disk I/O and others
[19:42] <sihanur> okay i'll install that
[19:42] <bprompt> sihanur:  ksysguard, comes with KDE already, it shows every process and resource usage
[19:43] <sihanur> nah my cpu keep 10-25%
[19:45] <bprompt> sihanur: well, the fans going off usually is due to overheat, and that mainly happens when the cpu is running high
[19:45] <sihanur> my lap is kinda cold rn
[19:46] <sihanur> by that i mean no heat feeled
[19:46] <sihanur> np i'll find or maybe install a fan control soft
[19:47] <bprompt> sihanur:  what laptop model you got anyway?
[19:47] <sihanur> acer aspire 5 something
[19:47] <sihanur> was windows 10 but idk if that's the problem
[19:49] <bprompt> sihanur:  hmmm I run both, and right now I have about 14 windows open and a browser with about 3 tabs, machine runs smooth, cpu at 3% - 30% fluctuating, but I'm on an SSD
[19:49] <bprompt> so can't be that
[19:50] <sihanur> i'll find myself
[19:50] <sihanur> ty for your time
[19:50] <bprompt> sihanur:  do a peek at ksysguard, for anything
[19:51] <sihanur> what is that
[19:51] <bprompt> sihanur:  ksysguard, comes with KDE already, it shows every process and resource usage
[19:51] <bprompt> kinda like a "task manager" or "running processes manager"
[19:51] <sihanur> kk
[19:52] <sihanur> is it avaible on kubuntu 22.04
[19:52] <bprompt> sihanur: it's been in KDE since hmmm 12.04 and I think even before, yes, is there in 22.04, that's what I'm running =)
[19:53] <bprompt> ohh wait, I'm on 20.04 =)
[19:53] <bprompt> but is an standard system app in KDE
[19:53] <sihanur> i'm installing ksyguard
[19:54] <bprompt> not sure you have to, try to run it first
[19:54] <sihanur> how?
[19:54] <bprompt> sihanur: KDE menu > Run "ksysguard", or from a console prompt, "ksysguard"
[19:55] <sihanur> i don't even have something called KDE menu
[19:55] <bprompt> ok, hmmm doing from Konsole then
[19:56] <bprompt> usually the "run" box comes with a key combination of Winkey+R
[19:56] <sihanur> doesn't do anything
[19:56] <bprompt> ok, run Konsole, type in "ksysguard"
[19:57] <sihanur> command not found
[19:57] <bprompt> hmmm rats, I'm just reading, it was removed from 22.04, the heck, anyhow, so, hmmm you could install it I take it
[19:57] <sihanur> uh
[19:58] <sihanur> but i've installed indicator multiload
[19:58] <bprompt> sihanur:  you could also try installing something like "qps", that's another running processes  manager
[19:58] <sihanur> okay
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> FYI, 20.04 went EOL back in April. Kubuntu LTS only lasts for 3 years.
[19:59] <bprompt> 3 years? the heck happened to 5? heheh
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> 5 only applies to Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> (read release notes)
[20:01] <genii> bprompt: Each team for the different official flavours can decide their own LTS length
[20:01] <sihanur> i've installed qps
[20:01] <bprompt> hmmm well, I'll be getting 24.04 when it comes out, I know some folks like to update every second if possible, I don't see the sense in installing an LTS if I'm going to toss it in a year =)
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> You need 22.04 now though, you can't just go 20.04 straight to 24.04.
[20:02] <bprompt> Eickmeyer:  I barely ever do distro updates, I do it from scratch :)
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> Regardless, what you're running is unsupported.
[20:03] <bprompt> got that