[14:50] <goaw_> I could easily do what I'm wanting to do with html, though I wanted to write a program that was native to Linux rather... any suggestions?
[14:52] <phoenix__> hi
[14:52] <janne_> phoenix__, hi!
[14:54] <phoenix__> after xubuntu install on my laptop i added a new user account and set it as administrator. after that i deleted the previous account which i created at the time of installation.but now i am unable to do any adminstrator task. it  says i am not in sudoers list
[14:55] <phoenix__> janne_, after xubuntu install on my laptop i added a new user account and set it as administrator. after that i deleted the previous account which i created at the time of installation.but now i am unable to do any adminstrator task. it  says i am not in sudoers list
[14:55] <ocooel> MonkeyDust: Yeah, it (was) is official.
[14:55] <ChrisMaQ> :( installed skype cant see call notification and it wont allow me to choose device for audio
[14:55] <Dako300> I have a Riva TNT2 and I need to run blender on Ubuntu 13.04 (upgraded from 12.04). Whenever I try and run it, I get this error:X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) and complains about GLX. How can I fix it?
[14:55] <janne_> phoenix__, administrator is not same as root user i think
[14:55] <ocooel> ActionParsnip: Yes or No. Do you trust IM clients..?
[14:55] <ChrisMaQ> what can i do
[14:56] <phoenix__> what should i do now?
[14:56] <janne_> sec
[14:56] <janne_> phoenix__, "sudo passwd root"
[14:57] <phoenix__> janne_, but i am not in sudoers list
[14:57] <janne_> type in password then try loging in with the root account
[14:57] <janne_> sudo su in terminal?
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> ocooel: i use pidgin
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> janne_: sudo -i     is advised, not sudo su
[14:57] <janne_> ActionParsnip, why?
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> janne_: please dont advise users to set the root pass, its not necesary
[14:58] <zykotick9> janne_: you're giving bad advice to phoenix__ luckily it won't work
[14:58] <phoenix__> ActionParsnip, janne_ but i am not in the sudoers list
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> janne_: the fact you have to ask why, should be screaming at you to not advise users about the accoun
[14:58] <janne_> ActionParsnip, explain it to me then
[14:58] <phoenix__> zykotick9, why?
[14:58] <janne_> or us
[14:58] <zykotick9> !noroot
[14:58] <phoenix__> yes what?
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> janne_: you can use 'sudo' to get any and all access you need, you can use:  sudo -i   to become root but use your user's profile. sudo -i   will use root's profile
[14:59] <janne_> is it against the rules to discuss how to set the use password?
[14:59] <ocooel> ActionParsnip: Of course :-P
[14:59] <zykotick9> janne_: for root = YES
[15:00] <janne_> really awkward imo
[15:00] <bekks> phoenix__: Why do you crosspost btw? The solution to your problem was just provided in #xubuntu.
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> janne_: enabling the root account is not needed and NOT supported. If you want to set the account on your PC (even though it is not needed) then this is your choice
[15:00] <phoenix__> ActionParsnip, it seems i am not in the sudoers list and the account i had created during install was deleted now i am unable to do any admin task even though the new account type is admin
[15:00] <Dako300> How can I fix it?
[15:00] <janne_> however he wants to create a root account
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> janne_: Ubuntu is made by people who I am very sure know a LOT more about Linux than you,
[15:00] <bekks> phoenix__: And it stays the same: you arent in the sudoers list, the user once being a member was deleted, and now you need a live cd to fix it.
[15:00] <zykotick9> phoenix__: your new user needed to be added to the "sudo" group... not "admin"
[15:00] <phoenix__> bekks, how?
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> phoenix__: then you will need an admin to put you in the 'sudo' group and you will get accesss
[15:00] <bekks> phoenix__: I told you twice, in #xubuntu.
[15:01] <Dako300> I have a Riva TNT2 and I need to run blender on Ubuntu 13.04 (upgraded from 12.04). Whenever I try and run it, I get this error:X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) and complains about GLX. How can I fix it?
[15:01] <janne_> ActionParsnip, yes ofcourse, why are you even telling me that?
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> janne_: basically, you don'y know what you are doing yet see fit to advise users/
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> janne_: because you asked.....
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> (15:57:55) janne_: ActionParsnip, why?
[15:01] <bekks> janne_: He doesnt want to create a root account, because a root account is already there.
[15:02] <bekks> !root | janne_
[15:02] <janne_> ActionParsnip,  i asked why sudo -i is advised over sudo su. but whatever
[15:02] <janne_> ActionParsnip, you're being inpolite
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> janne_: if you want a root password  on your PC then fine but please dont advise users how to break their OS. The account is disabled for a lot of reasons and the fact that you asked me to explain basic system security should be a warning for you to not do it
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> janne_: I explained the sudo -i   earlier
[15:03] <zykotick9> janne_: "sudo -i" sets the environment correctly, while "sudo su" doesn't.
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> janne_: it gives a root prompt without needing to enable the root account, but also uses the user's profile.
[15:03] <janne_> ActionParsnip, yes, after i asked "why"
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> janne_: so why does root need enabling if sudo -i   does exactly the same thing, but better
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> janne_: ?
[15:04] <ChrisMaQ> could compiz affect skype not posting notifications?
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> ChrisMaQ: could try a session without Compiz to test
[15:04] <janne_> ActionParsnip, it doesn't
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> janne_: so why advise it earlier then?
[15:04] <janne_> ActionParsnip, because i thought that was the way you did it
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> janne_: do what?
[15:05] <janne_> ActionParsnip, make a root acount
[15:05] <ChrisMaQ> thats my main problem with skype there is no notification when someone is calling
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> janne_: the root account is always present on all systems, there can only be one root account and that is 'root'
[15:06] <phoenix__> but i will not be able to create a root account because my account is not in the sudoers list
[15:06] <janne_> ActionParsnip, yes i do realize that now.
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> janne_: you can give users root-like access by adding them to the 'sudo' group, this can only be done by root or people already in the sudo groujp
[15:06] <zykotick9> phoenix__: you need to use recovery mode, or livecd/chroot
[15:06] <phoenix__> zykotick9, ok i got it
[15:06] <phoenix__> zykotick9, thanks
[15:07] <janne_> ActionParsnip, yep
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> janne_: so how ca you 'make a root account' when it already exists from install time, from the very first boot?
[15:08] <phoenix__> ActionParsnip, why do other distros force us to set root password during install
[15:08] <janne_> ActionParsnip, apparently you can't, right?
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> janne_: yes, as it already exists. it is root. Its like local administrator in Windows. Its always there
[15:08] <zykotick9> phoenix__: other distros use the root account, *buntu doesn't.
[15:08] <janne_> ActionParsnip, i said i understand that now
[15:09] <ActionParsnip> janne_: do us all a favour, stick to the sudo group etc and we won't have to fix nearly as many issues
[15:10] <phoenix__> zykotick9, the what does ubuntu use?
[15:10] <janne_> ActionParsnip, yes i most certainly will, please do us all a favor and be more polite so people dont have to get pissed by your attitude
[15:10] <zykotick9> !sudo | phoenix__
[15:10] <Guest8072> what is this ubuntu all about?
[15:10] <zykotick9> phoenix__: you should probably see that "fixsudo" link!
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> janne_: well you are making problems with your 'help', then people need to dig user's out of the hole they are in and it makes the distro look bad
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> Guest8072: in what sense
[15:11] <janne_> ActionParsnip, oh
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> janne_: Ubuntu is for the lay-user, so when they start needing to mess with Grub or chroot from liveCD it puts them off
[15:11] <janne_> ActionParsnip, i understand, no hard feelings
[15:12] <Guest8072> is it socially?
[15:12] <janne_> ActionParsnip, i shall no longer try to give "help" with anything about linux or ubuntu that i am not 100% certain of
[15:12] <phoenix__> zykotick9, so i can repair without live cd..
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> Guest8072: socialy...what do you mean
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> janne_: its just a bad practice to avoid root :)
[15:18] <ikillcypher> hello guys how to contact a ubuntu developer ?
[15:18] <ikillcypher> ubuntu-touch
[15:26] <anner> ..users
[15:26] <digitalizeddeath> Hello
[15:26] <anner> hello
[15:27] <digitalizeddeath> Is this a open discussion IRS Channel
[15:27] <digitalizeddeath> *IRC
[15:28] <blz> lol the IRS doesn't know how to use computers ^^
[15:28] <Nasuga> blz: NSA started giving lessons :P
[15:28] <zykotick9> !ot
[15:28] <digitalizeddeath> Correct if they did we wouldnt have have half as bad of a budget crisis!
[15:28] <blz> Oh... damn.... we're all screwed
[15:29] <blz> zykotick9, chill out, man... 3 lines in a dead channel
[15:29] <blz> geez
[15:29] <zykotick9> blz: the !ot was actually an answer to digitalizeddeath question.  NO this isn't a "discussion" channel.
[15:29] <blz> zykotick9, oh, apologies then =)
[15:30] <digitalizeddeath> Question im trying to get my FAHControl to utilize my GPU does anyone have any experience with setting up the FAHControl for that purpose. Folding@Home (FAH)
[15:35] <kriskropd> I am having so much trouble installing sqlite3 on this ubuntu server vm - does anybody know why 'sudo apt-get install php5-sqlite' in 13.04 doesn't actually install sqlite3 into php5?
[15:36] <nova_34> hello
[15:36] <elpelado> hi everyone, have a nice day!
[15:36] <nova_34> can somebody help me understanding how irc works here?
[15:36] <sam113101> nova_34: ask your questions
[15:37] <nova_34> i want to find people who have ux in ubuntu, and helping newbies in answering related questions. So im looking for some  helpfull IRC Servers
[15:38] <subz3r0> ux?
[15:38] <nova_34> user experience ;-)
[15:38] <subz3r0> omg
[15:38] <kriskropd> nova_34: this is an ubuntu support channel.  I'm getting this rsync error: rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes to socket [sender]: Broken pipe (32). http://paste.ubuntu.com/5974035/
[15:45] <kriskropd> semitones: looks like you got disconnected
[15:45] <Nasuga> semitones: I've experienced a broken pipe error whenever I lost a connection. Example, SSHed into server while suspending computer.
[15:45] <kriskropd> semitones: mid-transfer
[15:45] <semitones> if that's the most common reason, maybe this usb cable is iffy
[15:47] <lvleph> Is there a way to unset extents flag? chattr apparently can't do this.
[15:47] <irc2> if a connection to a network fails my macchanger reverts back...
[15:47] <irc2> to the original mac address weird
[15:50] <kriskropd> irc2: I'm unfamiliar with mac spoofing with macchanger, but looking at this list of instructuins suggests you only can see the spoofed address with macchanger commands (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/macchanger-utility-for-manipulating-the-mac-address-of-network-interfaces-included-gui-utility.html )
[15:56] <semitones> I realized what was happening: the dest directory didn't have a drive mounted on it, so was too small
[15:56] <babinlonston> is it possible to use iphone in ubuntu 13 ?
[16:02] <semitones> i think so,  not sure
[16:02] <dakotawulfy> ok trying to write a rule and not working can some one help me out?
[16:03] <Raging> Hello Massives
[16:03] <chamunks> I need a little help with regex / sed
[16:03] <chamunks> sed -i "s/(\b[0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}/$HOSTIP/g" /home/$USR/server.properties
[16:04] <chamunks> $hostip is declared using some other fancy regex but im getting sed: -e expression #1 char 35: unknown option to `s'
[16:06] <Raging> Anyone know about Kturtle?
[16:07] <hello_world> guys ..i am in ulimate ubuntu trouble..first i removed network manager in hope of configuring hotspot,,i that i tried to reinstall and after fixed some dependencies of dsub ..i am getting low graphics kind of crap...now all hope is here ..how can i restore my ubuntu..can i used fdisk ..plzz help
[16:07] <blaircse> Hey ppl having some issues with my ethernet connection in ubuntu 13.04,    I can connect with wireless fine but when connecting with ethernet I get a DNS error...... any suggestions would be awesome
[16:08] <Nasuga> blaircse: DNS error with addresses outside your LAN?
[16:09] <blaircse> yep i get the error when surfing
[16:09] <gbear14275> hello, I'm running into a really frustrating problem where mysql was upgraded when it's db was corrupted and I can't remove mysql-server.  It keeps trying to configure mysql 5.5 before removing the package and it can't finish so it won't purge or remove.  Anyone able to offer advice?  http://pastebin.com/2wB0fRk6
[16:10] <hello_world> anyone ..can throw somelight my cases .atleast how can i recover my data..i am not able to login and my network manger is purged(silly me)
[16:11] <blaircse> i get an ip, but no surf, both the ethernet connection and the wireless are coming from the same router/same network
[16:12] <hello_world> :(\
[16:13] <Dark_light> this might be a moronic question but sitll, does 12.04 gets the latest unity from backports or is it limited to the version it was released with ?
[16:13] <Dark_light> s/gets/get
[16:14] <gbear14275> Anyone able to help with a package that won't purge or remove?  Mysql-server : http://pastebin.com/2wB0fRk6
[16:14] <hello_world> can i replace the damaged or uninstalled packages from live usb folder..since i can access the disk ?
[16:16] <hello_world> i am in one of the deepest shit !!
[16:17] <hello_world> guys ..i am in ulimate ubuntu trouble..first i removed network manager in hope of configuring hotspot,,i that i tried to reinstall and after fixed some dependencies of dsub ..i am getting low graphics kind of crap...now all hope is here ..how can i restore my ubuntu..can i used fdisk ..plzz help
[16:17] <hello_world> can i replace the damaged or uninstalled packages from live usb folder..since i can access the disk ?
[16:19] <Raging> ANYONE khow about Kturtle please help me
[16:19] <blaircse> Hey ppl having some issues with my ethernet connection in ubuntu 13.04,    I can connect with wireless fine but when connecting with ethernet I get a DNS error...... any suggestions would be awesome
[16:20] <gbear14275> blaircse, what's the error?
[16:20] <hello_world> Raging: you need to reinstall network-manager..using sudo apt-get network-manager
[16:21] <gbear14275> hello_world, if you are just trying to reinstall why not boot from live usb, reformat and reinstall
[16:21] <Lighting>  “/join #metasploit"
[16:22] <blaircse> using chrome to surf, the error i get is : Error code: ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED
[16:22] <blaircse> using chrome to surf, the error i get is : Error code: ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED
[16:23] <blaircse> using chrome to surf, the error i get is : Error code: ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED
[16:23] <Nasuga> blaircse: try setting your DNS with network manager to <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:23] <Nasuga> That's googles DNS
[16:23] <Nasuga> tell me if it helps
[16:23] <Nasuga> also, restart chrome
[16:23] <ncko> also check your proxy settings
[16:25] <hello_world> gbear14275: thanks for reply..i am not trying to reinstall ..i am trying to repair without an internet connection ..somehow from live usb..
[16:25] <blaircse> no proxy settings
[16:26] <blaircse> so add <IP_ADDRESS> into additional dns settings? sorry i'm very much  beginner with ubuntu
[16:27] <Nasuga> blaircse, tell me if it helps.
[16:27] <Nasuga> blaircse, sometimes my router doesn't passed dns settings through DHCP so try this.
[16:30] <hello_world> can i use ubuntu live usb to replace file in filesystem of my hardisk ubuntu [03:28] <schumaml> you should ask this on an ubuntu channel
[16:32] <blaircse> sorry got disconnected
[16:37] <blaircse> sorry Nasuga, didn't get your last msg
[16:37] <Nasuga> blaircse, add <IP_ADDRESS> as your dns in network manager, and restart chrome.
[16:37] <Nasuga> Tell me if it helps
[16:44] <semitones> hey
[16:44] <semitones> is there a graceful way of telling rsync to stop midway
[16:47] <Raging> CAN ANYONE TELL ME MORE ABOUT KTURTLE?
[16:47] <blaircse> Hey Hey!! seems to have worked!!!
[16:47] <blaircse> thanks so much!
[16:48] <Nasuga> blaircse, no problem. I've gotten the problem and glad to help.
[16:59] <kim79> hey all
[17:00] <subz3r0> hey you
[17:03] <Jack^^> hi
[17:03] <Raging> HELLO JACK
[17:03] <Jack^^> is ubuntu professional cert still available?
[17:04] <Jack^^> i saw this on ubuntu website before.. but i can't find it nowadays
[17:04] <dowaat> anyone have a good reason why I cannot edit detail on an old forum account nor can I request to removei t? It's quite a pissoff
[17:04] <Raging> M NEWBIE SOWRRY
[17:04] <Raging> SORRY
[17:04] <Jack^^> ok
[17:05] <kim79> need some help here..  im caught between 3 distros and ned some help choose
[17:06] <Jack^^> kim: what are them?
[17:06] <kim79> fedora, ubuntu and mint
[17:06] <Jack^^> what do you want to use it for?
[17:07] <jrib> kim79: why do you need to choose?  Use them all; use the one *you* like the most
[17:07] <Jack^^> kim: you come to ubuntu channel, i will recommend ubuntu.
[17:07] <Jack^^> i'm using ubuntu for my desktop os..
[17:09] <kim79> jack :yes i know i`m in an ubuntu channel :P
[17:10] <Jack^^> kim: go for the one u like the most..
[17:10] <k1l_> kim79: use ubuntu
[17:11] <Jack^^> you can try them and then go for the one u like..
[17:11] <Jack^^> the one you feel comfortable with.
[17:11] <k1l_> kim79: for all other comparison questions ask in ##linux or in the offtopic channel
[17:11] <wilee-nilee> dowaat, #ubuntuforums
[17:11] <kim79> thanks
[17:11] <Nasuga> Use a VM to install each OS, and learn their internals without fear of breaking your system.
[17:11] <Nasuga> It's what I do.
[17:12] <Jack^^> yes. use VM..
[17:12] <Jack^^> but, i don't use vm when i starting to use linux distro
[17:13] <Jack^^> just get one laptop or pc and install it.. try it for a week or more than that..
[17:13] <Nasuga> I did, I started with a vmware using Fedora before I even knew what linux was.
[17:14] <Jack^^> i just install it and follow the guide online..
[17:14] <Jack^^> but i still couldn't understand it. lol.
[17:14] <Jack^^> started to use it is the first step to learn it..
[17:14] <kim79> is there a good way update ubuntu thise days?
[17:14] <k1l_> kim79: use the update manager?
[17:14] <Jack^^> update?
[17:15] <kim79> i meen upgrate
[17:15] <kim79> upgrade
[17:15] <Jack^^> use command line. :D
[17:15] <k1l_> Jack^^: and Nasuga we have a extra #ubuntu-offtopic for not ubuntu support related chatter
[17:15] <daftykins> kim79: between one version and another, or just to install the latest packages?
[17:15] <Raging> WHO KNOWS ABOUT KTURTLE IN UBUNTU PLEASE I NEED HELP WITH IT.
[17:15] <daftykins> no caps thanks
[17:15] <kim79> between versions
[17:15] <k1l_> !upgrade | kim79
[17:15] <Nasuga> k1l_, sorry.
[17:16] <k1l_> !details | Raging
[17:16] <wilee-nilee> Raging, Caps are yelling please.
[17:16] <Raging> i mean Kturtle can anyone tell me the use of it?
[17:17] <wilee-nilee> !info Kturtle
[17:17] <Jack^^> !upgrade
[17:17] <wilee-nilee> Raging, What release are you running?
[17:17] <Raging> am just use to caps in other sites sorry about that .
[17:17] <Raging> 11.04
[17:17] <k1l_> Raging: dont ask who knows something, just ask the specific question
[17:18] <wilee-nilee> !eol | Raging
[17:18] <pippo> exit
[17:18] <kim79> i`m running ubuntu live now and i like unity more then gnome 3
[17:18] <kim79> just missing the hot corner
[17:19] <wilee-nilee> kim79, unity is a compiz plugin on top of gnome 3
[17:20] <Raging> i tried upgrading but it was not successful maybe i'll try again.
[17:21] <wilee-nilee> Raging, A eol upgrade has a specific path it is in that eol link.
[17:21] <k1l_> Raging: see the upgrade instructions
[17:22] <harris> if i have a bunch of libreoffice writer files how can i convert them to pdf all at once
[17:23] <Dj_FlyBy> installed kubuntu-dekstop for my wife to use as she doesn't like Unity. Then I needed an update that prompted me to reboot and now when I boot the machine it gets to the part where it says loading 13.04 and then loads to a black screen. Any suggestions?
[17:23] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | Dj_FlyBy
[17:23] <subz3r0> harris: why not searching google, ehh?
[17:23] <subz3r0> http://askubuntu.com/questions/113772/how-to-batch-convert-doc-or-docx-to-pdf
[17:24] <subz3r0> !google batch convert pdf...
[17:28] <jockey4her> a friend asked me to assist with his L-ubuntu on his 'very' small harddrive. He wants to install 13.04, but he has only a 6Gb drive. Can it be done?
[17:28] <jockey4her> the reason is that his previous version wont patch itself (no space OFC) and he can't get online with it.
[17:30] <kim79> been i while ago i tested ubuntu and i like it alot so far
[17:31] <daftykins> jockey4her: it's probably not going to be comfy
[17:32] <jockey4her> okay. thanks a bunch.
[17:33] <loin> hi guys, how can i get the kernel sources of my kernel?
[17:34] <rypervenche> loin: apt-get source linux-image, I believe
[17:34] <rypervenche> loin: You probably need to specify the exact version of it.
[17:34] <aquatic> I downloaded a game and have no idea how to get it started. help anyone?
[17:35] <daftykins> aquatic: what kind of game?
[17:35] <Jack^^> angry bird? :D
[17:35] <loin> rypervenche, that doesn't seem to be the sources package
[17:35] <loin> ryanakca, there's linux-sources
[17:35] <loin> but it's version 3.2 not 3.5....
[17:36] <rypervenche> loin: Let's find it in a PM, so we don't bother other people.
[17:36] <aquatic> it's called achron. i'm new to linux to its not the typical double click i'm use to
[17:36] <Jack^^> may i know what can we do with kernel?
[17:36] <loin> sure rypervenche
[17:39] <Bragex9> I have just switched from Ubuntu to Linux mint, and I I am now having the exact same problem that I had when I installed Ubuntu 5 months ago. I got help from someone in here, and everything was fixed. The problem is I don't remember what we did. All I remember is NVIDIA and Xorg. The error message i got after installing Linux mint is: cinnamon is running without video hardware acceleration. When I check driver manager, it says that I am using the
[17:39] <auronandace> Bragex9: mint isn't supported here
[17:40] <jrib> !mintsupport | Bragex9
[17:41] <auronandace> jrib:  i was told that factoid was out of date
[17:41] <Bragex9> auronandace: I know... I went to #linuxmint but it was not much activity there
[17:41] <jrib> auronandace: do you know mint's new support loaction?
[17:41] <auronandace> jrib: i don't sorry
[17:42] <jrib> auronandace: it's what they point to on http://www.linuxmint.com/contactus.php
[17:48] <hudo> hello with which tool can i control audio in ubuntu 12.10 ?
[17:49] <wilee-nilee> hudo, Control audio in what way?
[17:49] <sunr> hey
[17:49] <sunr> everyone
[17:50] <sunr> anybody who can help with vpn setup
[17:50] <hudo> hm, i do not remember, i had a tool, where you cantrol loudness , left/right, apps and so on
[17:51] <semitones> in byobu, how can you make a window maximized? For some reason none of the manuals say anythign about it
[17:52] <wilee-nilee> sunr, This a 3rd party vpn?
[17:52] <rypervenche> What is the best way to compile a kernel and have it create a deb package in Ubuntu?
[17:52] <kelvinella> Can I install Adobe Acrobat XI Pro on ubuntu?
[17:52] <kelvinella> do i install it in playonlinux??
[17:53] <sunr> wilee-nilee, its anonynommuius internet access
[17:53] <wilee-nilee> sunr, Right I know that are you using the ubuntu repos, that is what is supported here basically.
[17:54] <sunr> wilee-nilee, whats is ubuntu repos
[17:54] <wilee-nilee> kelvinella, Adobe Acrobat XI Pro I doubr there is a linux version, playonlinux is in the repos I believe.
[17:55] <wilee-nilee> sunr, Not sure I don't bother with vpn my self, if you want help though you have to detail what is aup not ask if someone will help you is all.
[17:55] <wilee-nilee> up*
[17:56] <sunr> wilee-nilee,  what is aup
[17:56] <hudo> i think it was pavucontrol
[17:56] <hudo> thx anyway
[17:57] <wilee-nilee> hudo, Look up at the up* correction.
[17:58] <kelvinella> i mean do i need to install acrobat pro in playonlinux?
[17:58] <kelvinella> i mean does acrobat pro work on playonlinux?
[17:58] <auronandace> !appdb | kelvinella
[17:58] <streulma> I removed appmenu in Ubuntu 13.04, now I have no menu in nautilus... what can I do?
[17:58] <wilee-nilee> kelvinella, Hard to say, try it, I doubt there is a linux version, adobe does not support linux in any way as of now that I know of.
[17:59] <wilee-nilee> streulma,  I removed appmenu?
[17:59] <hudo> wilee-nilee, what do you mean ? Sorry i dont understand
[18:00] <streulma> wilee-nilee, yes the menu bar on top in the bar, now I have menu's in apps itself, but not in the Nautilus app (finder)
[18:00] <semitones> if I want to be able to ssh to my computer from the internet, should I just port forward port 22, or is that a bad idea for security?
[18:01] <wilee-nilee> hudo, several lines below my spelling error I posted up* that is a correction commonly used on the irc
[18:02] <wilee-nilee> hudo, If you are looking for perfect english composition here you will be disappointed.
[18:03] <Raging> what is the command use to shutdown in Ubuntu?
[18:03] <mrmoth> Raging: poweroff
[18:03] <streulma> Raging: sudo shutdown -h now
[18:03] <mrmoth> whaa
[18:04] <Raging> can i add time to it like it is done in windows?
[18:04] <rypervenche> Raging: Sure, sudo shutdown -h 60 (for an hour)
[18:05] <TheUsD> does anyone know how to uninstall zentyal from a ubuntu server? can't seem to find any documentation online about it.
[18:06] <ellendway> hey, anyone with iPhone and iOS7?
[18:07] <wilee-nilee> ellendway, This is ubuntu support, you have any relevant needs?
[18:07] <semitones> Raging, I think you can do absolute times as well. Check out shutdown's man page
[18:07] <Raging> thanks @Rypervenche sometimes i like to give that command to the computer when am going out but i could not.
[18:07] <ellendway> Yes, Ubuntu 12.04.2 is not able to verify my phone and I cannot access my pictures.
[18:08] <Marlenee> how to record any thing happen while iam ruunig programmes in back ground
[18:08] <Marlenee> i try "logsave" command and it not record all
[18:08] <rypervenche> Raging: You can also use the "at" command to specify a time you want a command to run.
[18:08] <peeeps> Hi everyone!
[18:08] <wilee-nilee> ellendway, There is a apple or mac channel I believe
[18:08] <peeeps> Got a question. Is there any keboard key/command that allows me to switch the worplace on unbuntu studio?
[18:08] <ellendway> wilee-nilee, okay, thanks anyway.
[18:09] <JViz> i made a pcap.pc file so that libpcap will work with pkg-config, where can I submit it?
[18:09] <semitones> Marlenee, sometimes the program is already saving its own logs, did you try that?
[18:09] <semitones> peeeps, did you look up the normal ubuntu keybindings and try those? maybe they will work
[18:10] <TheUsD> ellendway could just be ubuntu, it does not see or mount my BB z10 either.
[18:11] <ellendway> TheUsD, I can see the phone as connected, unfortunately I just cannot verify it.
[18:11] <Raging> @Rypervenche if i want the command to run 20 mins after i left can i write like this(sudo shutdown -h 60 at 20)  is it correct to do that?
[18:12] <TheUsD> ellendway infact all my other machines (win7) see it over the network too as a NAS device but 12.04 does not see it.
[18:12] <TheUsD> ellendway could just be a driver issue...?
[18:12] <TheUsD> does anyone know how to uninstall zentyal from a ubuntu server? can't seem to find any documentation online about it.
[18:12] <rypervenche> Raging: sudo shutdown -h 20
[18:13] <ellendway> I don't think so. I never had a problem on Windows 7. They did a new feature (https://neosmart.net/blog/2013/apple-finally-locks-down-the-usb-port-ios-7/) and it's being more annoying than ever before.
[18:13] <Raging> @Ryper how can i abort if i change my mine/
[18:14] <semitones> Raging, sudo shutdown -a
[18:14] <semitones> Raging, you really ought to "man shutdown" it explains everything
[18:14] <Raging> wow! thanks people
[18:17] <unitraxx> hi all. I have an Asus n56v and I'm having the battery and fan issues which a lot of users seem to have according to google but I have not found a solution. Someone an idea?
[18:17] <Raging> this thing says "shutdown: Need to be root"
[18:18] <unitraxx> I tried installen 3.10.5 kernel.. but that didn't help. (How do I uninstall a kernel and go back to my still installed 3.8 kernel? )
[18:18] <streulma> Raging: sudo shutdown -h now
[18:19] <wilee-nilee> unitraxx, Choose the original kernel at the grub menu to begin with.
[18:19] <unitraxx> oh ok
[18:19] <unitraxx> then I have to reboot :p
[18:19] <unitraxx> but apart from that, any idea for the battery and fan issue?
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> !details | unitraxx
[18:20] <wilee-nilee> unitraxx, Details get you far grasshopper. ;)
[18:20] <Raging> @streulma i tried and it worked thanks.
[18:21] <wilee-nilee> !tab | Raging
[18:21] <Raging> i did not write the sudo at first
[18:21] <unitraxx> well if I boot into ubuntu, chances are (yes not always) that my battery led starts blinking, and my fan goes 100% while not on a specific load. Only solution is to shutdown, unplug cable, unplug battery and reboot.
[18:22] <unitraxx> 13.04 Asus n56vb, but I did some research and a lot of asus models are having this problem on either 12.04 12.10 and 13.04
[18:24] <unitraxx> (The issue occur when the laptop is still a bit warm from a previous boot. Or so it seems to me. I never have the problem if I boot after a night of sleep.)
[18:24] <unitraxx> s/occur/soccurs
[18:24] <wilee-nilee> unitraxx, Just a general search might help while you wait. https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=50e29643d5ca2335&hl=en&q=13.04+Asus+n56v+fans+battery
[18:25] <unitraxx> yeah that gives me all the links I already visited : people reporting the same bug without a solution :)
[18:26] <wilee-nilee> unitraxx, Yeah, that happens, bugs are not really fixed here, so hard to say what the answers are, have you made a thread at the ubuntu forums?
[18:27] <semitones> does anything bad happen to an ext2 partition if you mount it as ext4? Can it still be read by things that are ext2 only?
[18:27] <semitones> (later on)
[18:28] <wilee-nilee> semitones, Can you share mounting in that way?
[18:28] <Voi> i get an error 127 on make install, http://pastebin.com/msamqQFe what went wrong?
[18:28] <wilee-nilee> Voi, What are you installing and did you check the ubuntu repos for it?
[18:29] <Voi> wilee-nilee, node.js, i checked software center but not the repos
[18:29] <GrakovNe> Good morning from cold Siberia!
[18:30] <unitraxx> wilee-nilee: I did not make a thread.
[18:31] <semitones> wilee-nilee, not concurrently, but yes. I have two computers that sometimes access this drive, and one can only read/write to ext2
[18:31] <GrakovNe> What is last release? 13.04?
[18:31] <TheUsD> is ripping a website considered illegal?
[18:31] <wilee-nilee> unitraxx, Just for extra possibilities I would that forum has at least 60,000 regular user and over a million signed up or at least did.
[18:31] <semitones> TheUsD, only if you plagiarize
[18:31] <semitones> but not on topic here
[18:31] <DJones> TheUsD: Probably not, most websites have a copyright notice of some sort
[18:32] <ellendway> TheUsD, okay, it's a know bug :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1207812
[18:32] <jrib> TheUsD: ask a lawyer.
[18:32] <TheUsD> semitones I asked that because I wanted to ask for a good website ripping tool for ubuntu, but don't want to without violating rules here.
[18:33] <semitones> I'm not sure what website ripping is, then. Firefox>save as?
[18:33] <jrib> TheUsD: httrack and wget
[18:33] <GrakovNe> go to Russian sites! There are not copyright!
[18:33] <Nasuga> TheUSD: the wayback machine must have hidden servers then.
[18:33] <TheUsD> jrib httrack will not work for the site I am looking at.
[18:34] <f00bar80> how to stop dnsmasq in ubuntu 13.04, i've tried service dnsmasq stop, but got "dnsmasq: unrecognized service"
[18:34] <syko> Hi.
[18:34] <jrib> TheUsD: why is that...?
[18:34] <GrakovNe> syko, Greeting!
[18:34] <blazemore> f00bar80: Why do you think the service is started in the first place?
[18:34] <syko> f00bar80, what is the output of sudo service dnsmasq status?
[18:35] <TheUsD> jrib not sure, I tried it and when I go to load the local copy its just a blank page
[18:35] <syko> and greetings to you too, GrakovNe!
[18:35] <f00bar80> blazemore, getting the following  http://pastebay.com/1278127 , when tried to start unbound, at the time bind9 is stopped
[18:35] <TheUsD> jrib its an html5 page and it looks like it is located on several servers.
[18:35] <f00bar80> syko, i'm running this as root
[18:35] <blazemore> f00bar80: That's a pretty self-explanatory error message
[18:36] <syko> f00bar80, what is the output of grep -i dns /var/log/dmesg?
[18:36] <f00bar80> blazemore, but bind is stopped
[18:36] <jrib> TheUsD: you have to investigate what exactly is happening and why that isn't what you expected
[18:36] <blazemore> f00bar80: You should confibure bind (/etc/bind) to listen on a different address
[18:36] <f00bar80> syko, [    1.605402] Key type dns_resolver registered
[18:36] <TheUsD> ellendway good to know, thanks for the link!
[18:37] <GrakovNe> what about badblocks? Which program can relocate em?
[18:37] <syko> have you tried running it manually, f00bar80?
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, If you have bad blocks enough to have to ask I would get a new HD.
[18:38] <syko> f00bar80: what you're saying, that is not the normal behavior. it SHOULD respond no matter how it is started.
[18:38] <syko> f00bar80: If you start it as a service, does the daemon really start? Is it listed in a ps? Does it start at startup or do you always start it manually? If manually, then how did you install it?
[18:38] <TheUsD> jrib its a template on wix.com and from what I understand the templates they have are open source but I cannot find the template name (real name) and they break down the website onto several servers
[18:38] <unitraxx> I did at "options snd-hda-intel model=asus-mode4" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to get my subwoofer working. Although I have no idea what that actually does.
[18:38] <unitraxx> Could that in anyway "hurt" my installation?
[18:38] <GrakovNe> wilee-nilee:  only 16. But system can't start normally because en
[18:39] <f00bar80> syko, the same when tried to start unbound as a service
[18:39] <syko> f00bar80, go in /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf and uncomment  IGNORE_RESOLVECONF=yes.
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, Get a HD and dd it to it.
[18:39] <f00bar80> syko, /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf is empty
[18:39] <syko> that's weird, f00bar80.
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, Are you sure it is badblocks?
[18:39] <syko> looks dnsmasq is corrupt, f00bar80. maybe try re-installing it manually?
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, There is a smartcheck on the live cd in disks I believe.
, tried. But at next reboot all mark theren't. Yeah, its badblocks
[18:41] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, The more you run a bad HD the closer you get to no recovery at all, so be careful.
[18:41] <f00bar80> syko, i've reinstalled dnsmaq ... and always the same issue when tried to start unbound
, All data was copied, of cause.
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, Then get a new HD, we don't do miracles. ;)
[18:43] <f00bar80> blazemore, how to change the bind port ? /etc/bind/named.conf.local , has nothing about ports and all is commented in there
[18:43] <Jeeves_Moss> where is the SNMP snapin for configuration on a 2008 server?
[18:43] <blazemore> !bind | I'm not sure f00bar80, maybe this is a factoid and can help
[18:43] <blazemore> Nope...
[18:43] <blazemore> f00bar80: maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, http://askubuntu.com/questions/104070/what-is-the-best-way-to-check-and-repair-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors
, it's bad... But i'm russian) And "new" - is'n my way) Want try the low-level formatting
, thank for links!
[18:46] <alalavin> question about tablet
[18:46] <bushy> I have some links on the Top Bar and don't see how to remove them
[18:46] <wilee-nilee> GrakovNe, I hope you can achieve what you need, however you have to ask yourself is it a possibility.
[18:46] <bazhang> !touch | alalavin
[18:47] <alalavin> how can i move to that page from here ?
[18:47] <bazhang> alalavin, /join #channelname
[18:47] <alalavin> thnx
[18:47] <wilee-nilee> !details | bushy
[18:48] <GrakovNe> bushy: What a trouble? What a links?
[18:48] <streulma> I can't set the screen brightness in Ubuntu on Macbook Pro Retina
[18:49] <streulma> where can I look ?
[18:49] <bushy> I haven't used UBUNTU for quite a while, just started it today.  I guess I should get jy bearing before posting for help.  I'l be back when I have better info.
[18:50] <syko> bushy: do you want to be a Ubuntu pro?
[18:50] <streulma> oh boshy, can we help us together ? :)
[18:50] <syko> streulma & bushy: do you two want to be pros of ubuntu?
, look it /sys/class/brightness
[18:50] <syko> streulma & bushy: then try out http://ubuntu-manual.org
[18:51] <Guest22653> im wondering how to add somthing to quicklists for firefox
[18:51] <daftykins> streulma: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2006475-p-2.html
[18:51] <bushy> Thanks, I first need to see what version I am on and I am struggling with that simple task ;-)
[18:51] <wilee-nilee> Guest22653, quicklists for firefox?
[18:51] <blazemore> Guest22653: Look at the top answer here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/187429/how-to-add-firefox-profiles-to-quick-list-for-firefox-launcher
[18:51] <blazemore> Guest22653: You can edit the Firefox quicklist with Ubuntu-Tweak http://askubuntu.com/questions/75454/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-tweak
[18:52] <Guest22653> im lookind to open bookmarks libary from quicklist
[18:53] <bushy> OK I'm on 12.04 LTS with a gnome desktop.  The top bar has my home folder, I want to remove it and don't know how.
[18:53] <blazemore> Guest22653: You would have to find a command which opens the firefox bookmark library
[18:54] <blazemore> bushy:  Super(Button with windows logo on it)+Alt+Right Mouse Click on the bar
[18:54] <wilee-nilee> bushy, The fallback desk top, there are multiple gnome 3 desktop possibilities.
[18:55] <syko> wilee-nilee: xfce>gnome
[18:55] <Guest22653> blazemore, was wodering if someone knew it
[18:55] <jesusemelendezm> guys, how can I change my root password if I forgot it.
[18:56] <daftykins> boot rescue mode
[18:56] <blazemore> Guest22653: Looking at "firefox --help" there isn't one
[18:56] <syko> rescue mode to the rescue!
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> jesusemelendezm, You mean the user password, there is no root password
[18:56] <jesusemelendezm> that's my question. So there is no root password for ubuntu ?
[18:56] <jesusemelendezm> how come ?
[18:56] <jesusemelendezm> my user pw is my own root/
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> jesusemelendezm, That is the design
[18:56] <blazemore> !ot | jesusemelendezm It's an awesome question but not for this channel
[18:57] <hellz_> anyone know the most up to date way for addling click listener to a Button? When googling I see ClickListener and ChangeListener
[18:57] <wilee-nilee> jesusemelendezm, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[18:57] <jesusemelendezm> thanks ubottu
[18:57] <jesusemelendezm> how about ubuntu server? does it have a root/
[18:57] <jesusemelendezm> ?
[18:58] <streulma> hello ubottu :)
[18:58] <Guest22653> also is there a quick list for display to switch montor out put
[18:58] <streulma> the bot do not answer :(
[18:58] <jesusemelendezm> #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:59] <blazemore> Guest22653: There's an application indicator - https://code.launchpad.net/~nmellegard/disper/disper-indicator
[18:59] <niel> Hey, I'm having issues configuring my mouse with ubuntu. I added this to xorg.conf but it still doesn't work. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tax1FAxY Could anyone help me?
[18:59] <jrib> jesusemelendezm: do you know about sudo?
[19:00] <blazemore> !details | niel
[19:01] <niel> What commands do I have to run to give you guys more details then?
[19:01] <f00bar80> how to stop dnsmasq in ubuntu 13.04, i've tried service dnsmasq stop, but got "dnsmasq: unrecognized service"
[19:02] <Guest22653> wondering if its possible to do through quicklists
[19:03] <syko> f00bar80: do you know about kill?
[19:03] <blazemore> Guest22653: You'd have to find a command which does exactly what you want; quicklists are just lists of commands
[19:03] <blazemore> Guest22653: Take a look at the command-line utility RandR which is used to change display settings
[19:04] <fossterer> Hi ! Why do I receive "Requires Installation of Untrusted packages"  while installing new packages?
[19:04] <JViz> is there and ubuntu dev channel?
[19:04] <Ampelbein> fossterer: Because you don't have the archive signing key for some packages on your system.
[19:05] <Raging> i have the poorest connection. my upgrade time says 2days.
[19:05] <fossterer> Ampelbein: how do I get one?
[19:05] <Ampelbein> JViz: there is #ubuntu-devel
[19:05] <JViz> Ampelbein, thank you
[19:05] <Ampelbein> fossterer: That depends. Did you add any 3rd party repositories?
[19:06] <Ampelbein> fossterer: Can you poste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d folder? Use paste.ubuntu.com for the files.
[19:06] <fossterer> no.. I was installing 'gnome-do' from Ubuntu Software Center
[19:06] <fossterer> post the contents? yeah wait
[19:07] <blazemore> fossterer: http://naveenubuntu.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/fixing-gpg-keys-in-ubuntu.html
[19:07] <f00bar80> syko, i did already kill -9 PID of dnsmasq
[19:08] <f00bar80> gtg
[19:08] <wilee-nilee> JViz, I believe so but closed
[19:09] <A_J_> I have a little bit of a problem. occasinally my pc refuses to connect to my wired network. idk why it seems random.
[19:09] <fossterer> Ampelbein: blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5974632/
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> JViz,Stae your issue for actual help.
[19:09] <A_J_> only happenbs in ubuntu too.
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> State*
[19:09] <JViz> wilee-nilee, i made a pcap.pc file so that libpcap will work with pkg-config, where can I submit it?
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> !details | A_J_
[19:10] <blazemore> fossterer: Can you do the same thing for the output of "sudo apt-get update" please?
[19:10] <wilee-nilee> JViz, NOt sure you have to have a luanchpad account and be a ubuntu member at the least I suspect
[19:10] <A_J_> wilee-nilee: umm okie. the network is connected via a router. it normally connects automatically cause everything is dynamic
[19:10] <JViz> i would think that pkg-config is distro specific, so that's why I came here
[19:10] <A_J_> wilee-nilee: i'm not sure what the issue can be.
[19:10] <fossterer> blazemore: ohh... I have about 500 MB updates waiting to be installed.. Is that the cause ?
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> A_J_, Neither am I.
[19:11] <fossterer> I'm postponing the update process intentionally
[19:11] <Ampelbein> wilee-nilee: You don't have to be a ubuntu member to report a bug or feature request. Though that would make life of the bug triagers easier ;-)
[19:11] <blazemore> fossterer: No, could you show me the output?
[19:11] <A_J_> wilee-nilee: anything i should check in settings ?
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> Ampelbein, Hence the "Isuspect" tell the user
[19:12] <JViz> wilee-nilee, do you know anyone who has a launchad account and is an ubuntu member who could submit it themselves?
[19:12] <Ampelbein> JViz: Generally, .pc files should be submitted upstream, with the developers.
[19:13] <JViz> Ampelbein, since it's a pkg-config file, shouldn't i submit it to pkg-config?
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> JViz, I would talk with Ampelbein maybe they seem to want to help. ;)
[19:14] <Ampelbein> JViz: No, while pkg-config uses those .pc files to calculate library dependencies and flags, they belong to the specific source package.
[19:14] <Ampelbein> JViz: Otherwise pkg-config would have to be reuploaded every time a new .pc file gets added.
[19:15] <fossterer> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5974653/
[19:15] <JViz> Ampelbein, surely there is a better way to handle updates
[19:16] <blazemore> fossterer: OK I know exactly how to fix this. Close all programs/windows which have to do with installing software e.g. Synaptic, software-centre and terminals.
[19:16] <Ampelbein> JViz: Yes, open a ticket at https://github.com/the-tcpdump-group/libpcap/issues
[19:17] <blazemore> fossterer: Now you should delete the locked files. You can delete the lock file with "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock", you may also need to delete the lock file in the cache directory "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock"
[19:17] <Ampelbein> JViz: They are the upstream developers. That way, your contribution will be available to all users, not just Ubuntu.
[19:17] <alfredo_> hi
[19:17] <alfredo_> nedding help
[19:17] <blazemore> !details | alfredo_
[19:17] <alfredo_> thanks
[19:17] <blazemore> fossterer: Then do sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
[19:18] <alfredo_> need to generate an script to download from terminal an archive that changes their name
[19:18] <fossterer> blazemore: doing...
[19:18] <blazemore> alfredo_: Could you give an example?
[19:19] <fossterer> blazemore: meanwhile let me ask 'what could have caused the problem'?
[19:20] <alfredo_> I need to download form: "http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/installers/Tracker-4.81-linux-64bit-installer.run" this archive with wget
[19:20] <blazemore> alfredo_: OK so why do you need a script?
[19:20] <alfredo_> the archive changes its name with every actualization
[19:21] <blazemore> How does it change its name?
[19:21] <alfredo_> because Im generating an script to install all my software every time that I format my machine
[19:21] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: can you give us an example of which part of the name changes? Are the old files still left in place (leaving multiple options)? If so, do you want all of them or just the latest?
[19:21] <blazemore> No I mean, in what way does the name change? Does the number increase?
[19:22] <alfredo_> changes the number in the extension
[19:22] <alfredo_> I tried using a wildcard but doesn{t work
[19:22] <alfredo_> no, the old files are deleted
[19:23] <spartanx> hello all i have pen tablet a 6 kraun it is compatibility on ubuntu
[19:23] <alfredo_> I want the only one file in that direction
[19:23] <spartanx> ?
[19:24] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: wget the directory, grep for the lines matching part of the name, last -n 1, sed the part you want, send to wget
[19:24] <alfredo_> can you write the line?
[19:24] <DarwinSurvivor> if there is only one, you could omit the tail -n 1, but I'd leave it in just in case an old version gets left in for some reason
[19:24] <spartanx> ?
[19:25] <ubnoobtu> how do I checksum?
[19:25] <fossterer> blazemore: Got this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/5974704/
[19:26] <James_Epp> I tried to get help on linuxmint spotnet IRC but twice no-one has responded. I would appreciate if someone could help me with my issue. A few days ago, I plugged in my Samsung Galaxy S3 into my LM 13 Cinnamon install and it initially came up with a wizard asking for the carrier name and APN to set up the Mobile Broadband connection. This worked perfectly after I supplied the information, as I got a 10.xxx.xxx.xxx IP and had Internet access. Come today,
[19:26] <DarwinSurvivor> hmm, actually they seem to render a webpage if you access just the directory, so that might not work
[19:26] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: is there any page on their site that shows which version is the current one?
[19:26] <alfredo_> yes
[19:26] <DJones> James_Epp: I'm afraid Mint isn't supported here, the channel only supports the official Ubuntu variants
[19:26] <alfredo_> http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/
[19:27] <ubnoobtu> !checksum SHA256
[19:28] <Jeeves_Moss> why does my Cacti server still show servers having an "unknown" status when the SNMP shows all of the information correctly about the hose?
[19:29] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum | ubnoobtu
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> James_Epp, If you install ubuntu you will have much more support, mint is just ubuntu in drag.
[19:30] <Dandalion> Hi I'm trying to install GCC 4.7 or higher
[19:30] <wilee-nilee> James_Epp, ubuntu 13.04 has cinnamon in the repos.
[19:30] <Dandalion> current installed is 4.6.3 I believe, anyone know how to get 4.8 ?
[19:30] <ubnoobtu> !sha256 | wilee-nilee, What's up man, thanks for putting me on the right direction last time.
[19:31] <jellf> hi all
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, I don't remember it, I was just serving my own needs, glad you were a part of it. ;)
[19:31] <fossterer> jellf: A hi alone is generally not answered... place your question
[19:32] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: wget $(wget http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/ -O- -q | grep "Linux 64-bit" | sed -e 's/^.*"\(.*\)".*$/\1/')
[19:32] <alfredo_> lets prove
[19:32] <ubnoobtu> Wilee-nilee| I'm such a noob, so what are some things I sould know when dealing with this system.
[19:33] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: wget $(wget http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/ -O- -q | grep "Linux 64-bit" | head -n 1 | sed -e 's/^.*"\(.*\)".*$/\1/')
[19:33] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, Not sure really, just be careful and execute only confirmed stuff really to start with.
[19:33] <James_Epp> wilee-nilee: What do you mean by "in drag" ?
[19:33] <DarwinSurvivor> use that one, it will keep working if they ever add the words "Linux 64-bit" to the body of the webpage
[19:33] <wilee-nilee> James_Epp, dressed up
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> a fake in some sense
[19:34] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: whoops, sorry, forgot to include the base-url, just a second
[19:34] <James_Epp> True enough. Dont' get me wrong, I absolutely love ubuntu. I just feel as if I get a better experience out of lm.
[19:35] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: wget http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/$(wget http://www.cabrillo.edu/~dbrown/tracker/ -O- -q | grep "Linux 64-bit" | sed -e 's/^.*"\(.*\)".*$/\1/')
[19:35] <ubnoobtu> Good stuff | Nilee, Is running a virtual box easy. I remember only being able to do it once with archlinux. It was easy then, but is it difficult for windows gaming.
[19:35] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: ^^ Ok, I've tested that one and it works 100% (unless they ever change the layout of that first page)
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> James_Epp, Sure but not very good support is all.
[19:35] <reisio> ubnoobtu: the performance won't always be good enough for games, depends on the type of game, and your hardware
[19:36] <ubnoobtu> reisio| thats whats i'm thinking, esp if ts only gaming.
[19:36] <ubnoobtu> online*
[19:36] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, If you tab complete nicks we are actually informed you are talking to us.
[19:36] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: if you want something more robust, you could look into xml parsers (like beautiful soup)
[19:36] <ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee| is it sap sensitive?
[19:36] <ubnoobtu> cap*
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> 'Case Sensitive'  ;)
[19:37] <ubnoobtu> doh
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, No just completes the nick if you have enough of it started, the terminal in ubuntu will do this to with commands.
[19:37] <James_Epp> wilee-nilee: We shall agree to disagree :D
[19:37] <ubnoobtu> huh
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> James_Epp, Okay, not sure where that is. ;)
[19:38] <ubnoobtu> okay, so commands are case sensitive?
[19:38] <fossterer> blazemore: away?
[19:38] <rafaelsoaresbr> does anyone knows if fglrx from official repositories is working?
[19:39] <ubnoobtu> I'm using this irc through my  broswer
[19:39] <ubnoobtu> can I run this completely through a terminal?
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, I like hexchat, a terminal use is a bit more on gthe geek side.
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> the*
[19:40] <Ampelbein> !irssi | ubnoobtu
[19:40] <DarwinSurvivor> ubnoobtu: there are a few terminal-only irc clients (like irssi), though they are a bit more difficult to set up and use
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use weechat for terminal based irc.
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> browser based irc - one of the worst ways to irc. ;)
[19:43] <lvleph> 6542Elf@
[19:43] <alfredo_> works
[19:43] <alfredo_> thanks a lot
[19:44] <lvleph> I appear to be having trouble with a hard drive
[19:44] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: no problem
[19:44] <lvleph> but I am not sure how to diagnose the problem
[19:44] <lvleph> fsck fixed a bunch of erros
[19:44] <DarwinSurvivor> alfredo_: feel free to play around with the command and see what else you can get it to do
[19:44] <lvleph> errors*
[19:45] <lvleph> and SMART says everything is fine
[19:45] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: are you familiar with S.M.A.R.T. tests?
[19:45] <lvleph> but the computer seems to freeze on IO
[19:45] <lvleph> DarwinSurvivor: Yes, just posted that SMART says things are good
[19:46] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: what level of test did you run?
[19:46] <lvleph> I don't like that there are 409 bad sectors but...
[19:46] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, I installed weechat, how does it fire up?
[19:46] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  wee<tab>  :)
[19:47] <lvleph> I ran short, but I am running extended now DarwinSurvivor
[19:47] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: what tests have you done to confirm that the crashes are being caused by IO?
[19:47] <alfredo_> thanks again from uruguay
[19:47] <lvleph> I said it appeared to be IO related, I am trying to figure out how to confirm this DarwinSurvivor
[19:47] <lvleph> which is my question
[19:47] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: also, how old is the machine, how long has this problem been happening and did it come quickly or slowly get worse over time?
[19:47] <lvleph> In fact, it only seems related to one partition
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Cool thanks, looks like I will have to actually think with that one, lol. ;)
[19:48] <lvleph> Problem started when my daughter decided to push it off a table
[19:48] <lvleph> lol
[19:48] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: what are you doing that makes you think it is 1 partition? dd'ing a big file, reading large files...?
[19:48] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  it has some decent user guides at its homepage.  it has what amounts to a 'package manager' tool built in for getting scripts also.
[19:48] <lvleph> Watching movies, rsync, etc
[19:48] <lvleph> only from the one partition
[19:48] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: oh, WELL then. step 1) have you opened it to make sure none of the cables are lose?
[19:48] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, Thanks I was thinking of a manual that help. ;)
[19:49] <wilee-nilee> helps
[19:49] <lvleph> also, I can still use the system as long as it doesn't relate to that partition
[19:49] <lvleph> I believe I did
[19:49] <lvleph> I can't remember
[19:50] <lvleph> it has been a bad weekend for computer
[19:50] <lvleph> *s
[19:50] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: if that partition has mainly larger files (movies, etc) than your system partition, it may be "loading large" files that causes problems, not "loading files from that partition". Also, what error/problem are you encountering when you think you've triggered it?
[19:50] <Dr_Willis> so a single hard drive. with several partitions, accessing files on one partion of the hard drive causes the system to 'hang'  for several moments, then the computer resumes?
[19:50] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: is it kernel panicing, videos appear corrupted, "cannot open file", etc?
[19:50] <lvleph> DarwinSurvivor: What tends to happen is the process that is accessing the partition (large files) locks for minutes
[19:51] <reisio> Dr_Willis: slow rpm?
[19:51] <Dr_Willis> monitoring the tail end of 'dmesg' as you are accessing files Might give some info messages about whats going on.
[19:51] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: If you stick your ear against the machine do you hear any strange ticks or clicks when accessing the problematic files?
[19:52] <lvleph> No weird sounds
[19:52] <lvleph> no spikes in temp
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> if its hanging for several Minutes - well.. it sounds like the hd is in a state of failing.  reguardless of what smart says.
[19:52] <lvleph> In fact, the thing is too quiet.
[19:52] <guntbert> !enter | lvleph
[19:52] <Dr_Willis> dmesg Might give a clue if theres any io errors or other problems.
[19:53] <savid> My bash completion is messed up. When I type, for example, "grep --exclude-dir=/ho",  and hit tab,  it changes the line to "grep /home".  It removes the argument flag. Anyone know what could cause this/
[19:54] <Dr_Willis> savid:  Hmm . it seems to work correctly here..  what ubuntu release?
[19:54] <lvleph> Dr_Willis: dmesg doesn't really give me any clues
[19:54] <lvleph> I am completely baffled
[19:54] <savid> Dr_Willis, 12.10
[19:54] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: have you tried using iostat?
[19:54] <lvleph> I am guess the drive is failing, but the fact that it is one partition seems weird
[19:55] <savid> Dr_Willis, it also seems to happen with the "dd" command. That is, "dd if=/ho<tab>" changes to "dd /home".
[19:55] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: if there was physical damage done to the disk (need hit, etc), it could be localised to a partition (partitions are actually created as physical "areas" of the disk
[19:56] <lvleph> good point DarwinSurvivor
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> savid:  Hmm.. well its working right here. but im on 13.04
[19:56] <savid> Dr_Willis, any idea what could cause it to happen, though? Or where I can look?
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> savid:  i tested on box #2  and it worked.. but im not sure ifits a 12.10 or 13.04 box. its in mid release upgrade at the moment
[19:56] <Dr_Willis> savid:  theres the bash completion rules in /etc/
[19:57] <Dr_Willis> savid:  try making a new user. and see if it affects them also
[19:57] <lvleph> For the iostat are you suggesting to run it when things are locked?
[19:57] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: iostat -d 2
[19:57] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: run that for 30 seconds or so, then cause a "lockup" and see what changes
[19:57] <DarwinSurvivor> the 30 seconds is to get a base-line (all systems are different, so it's the "change" that is most important)
[19:59] <savid> Dr_Willis, ah, good idea. I'll try that.
[20:01] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: note that if the extended test is still running, it may interfere with stats...
[20:01] <savid> Dr_Willis, yep seems to be system-wide, happens for a new user as well.
[20:01] <lvleph> I killed the test
[20:01] <lvleph> it seemed to be locked DarwinSurvivor
[20:03] <savid> Ok, seems to be something in /etc/bash_completion.d, as moving that directory fixes the problem. At least I've narrowed it down. Thanks!
[20:03] <DarwinSurvivor> savid: try moving individual files inside that directory. once you find the culprit, find out which package owns it (dpkg -S) then do an apt-get --reinstall of that package
[20:04] <shere_khan_> ich such das lied?
[20:04] <shere_khan_> sorry, false thread
[20:04] <junktext> I just sent my $50 to the Ubuntu Edge campaign!  The project better succeed.  I want my new t-shirt!
[20:04] <guntbert> junktext: that has nothing to do with ubuntu support
[20:05] <junktext> So, supporting Ubuntu financially has nothing to do with supporting Ubuntu?
[20:06] <lvleph> weird I can't even get nautilus to open
[20:06] <guntbert> junktext: in this channel we give support to ubuntu users
[20:06] <lvleph> could not register the application: timeout was reached
[20:06] <lvleph> I have never even seen that before
[20:08] <wilee-nilee> junktext, #ubuntu-touch is your nirvana. ;)
[20:08] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: have you done a memtest since the "fall"? I've found bad or mis-seated ram can emulate all sorts of hardware problems. I ended up reinstalling 3 operating systems on a machine of mine before finding out it was a ram stick that died on me...
[20:09] <mobile> anyone know anything about wifi channels
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> beside a cotton shirt
[20:09] <lvleph> I think I am going to crack this thing open
[20:09] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | mobile
[20:09] <lvleph> I know with the Macbook that fell this morning it was the ram
[20:09] <lvleph> like I said it has been a bad weekend for computers
[20:09] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: sounds like a good idea. check all cables and mount points as well as ram/cpu attachment.
[20:10] <lvleph> Lost 2.1TB of data this weekend too
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> mobile, Give the channel you issue with details if you can . ;)
[20:10] <wilee-nilee> your*
[20:11] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: lol, time to put a guard-rail around your desks :P
[20:11] <mobile> cause its easier to get a reply that way to a confusing question. but ok. channels 1 6 and 11 dont overlap, which is easy to understand, but what about the rest of the channels inbetween like channel 2, doesnt that overlap with 1?
[20:11] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: also, back up EVERYTHING next chance you get!
[20:12] <lvleph> Unfortunately, I had to ditch my backup solution since I moved half-way-round the world.
[20:12] <ubnoobtu> i've decided none of the hardware I have is good to run it in a virtual box.
[20:12] <lvleph> Otherwise I wouldn't have lost any data.
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> mobile, Not a channel norm though that is your own reality, not a shred one.
[20:12] <wilee-nilee> shared
[20:12] <mobile> what?
[20:13] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: darn. time to order some HDD's and open a safety deposit box (safest place to store backup HDD's)
[20:14] <streulma> ubuntu and retina's... not so good so far, back to my Mac :)
[20:15] <lvleph> too late now, at least my research is backed up in multiple places.
[20:15] <lvleph> I have, I think, 4 backups.
[20:15] <reisio> streulma: I read that 13.10 fixes retina issues
[20:16] <reisio> streulma: 13.04, even
[20:16] <streulma> reisio: really ?
[20:16] <reisio> yes
[20:16] <reisio> http://randomtutor.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/installing-ubuntu-1304-on-retina.html
[20:16] <guntbert> mobile: I fail to see how that is an ubuntu suport question
[20:16] <reisio> via the links at the end of this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[20:16] <streulma> yes, yes, but the screen is at 2280 px
[20:17] <streulma> to high for me reisio :D
[20:17] <reisio> streulma: clearly you didn't even read the link I went to the trouble of providing you :p
[20:17]  * reisio goes back to work
[20:17] <savid> Dr_Willis, found the culprit.  It was the completion script installed by npm. :-P
[20:18] <guntbert> savid: time for a bug report then
[20:19] <billyroebuck> how can I set up my ubuntu machine so that localhost (/var/www) uses a folder on my Desktop (so I don't have to worry about permissions/etc) ?
[20:19] <billyroebuck> (im a complete newbie)
[20:19] <mobile> it is because ive been having trouble connecting from ub to my router with reason 6. guess its congestion, so i kinda need the right channel, and to understand them a bit better
[20:19] <savid> Would anyone be willing to test this for 13.04 real quick?  "sudo apt-get install npm",  then try "grep --exclude-dir=/ho<tab>"
[20:20] <k1l_> mobile: better see a hardware or networking channel for that question. see alis
[20:20] <k1l_> !alis | mobile
[20:20] <guntbert> mobile: without going into details: try to use channel as afar apart as possible - never use adjacent ones
[20:21] <Nothing_Much> Does anybody know how to get mono audio working with just ALSA?
[20:21] <syko> Nothing_Much: pulseaudio is better.
[20:21] <reisio> Nothing_Much: you don't want stereo?
[20:21] <mobile> ok
[20:21] <Nothing_Much> I only have 1 speaker
[20:22] <Nothing_Much> and Pulseaudio crashes Steam for some reason
[20:22] <Nothing_Much> So I have to use only Alsa
[20:22] <reisio> if you only have 1 speaker, then it's already mono :p
[20:22] <Nothing_Much> not with just Alsa
[20:22] <reisio> hrmm?
[20:25] <guntbert> billyroebuck: the correct solution is to add your user to the group www-data:    sudo adduser billy www-data   (or you can do it with "users and groups" graphically), then log out and log in again and you will be able to work in /var/www)
[20:26] <kriskropd> does anyone here know of a program like 'fdupes' that can find "similar" but not necessarily perfectly "duplicate" files?
[20:27] <jrib> kriskropd: no, but how do you define "similar"?
[20:29] <Nothing_Much> So how do I get Mono sound working?
[20:29] <Nothing_Much> With just ALSA?
[20:29] <ubnoobtu> how do i set up a seperate partition
[20:30] <kriskropd> jrib: for instance, with images, one file may have artifacts or lower quality or smaller resolution, but essentially it is the same or nearly the same image/file
[20:30] <abiss27> \whois abiss27
[20:32] <DarwinSurvivor> Nothing_Much: there is a #mono channel on irc.gnome.org that will probably be able to answer that better than us
[20:32] <kriskropd> jrib: I'm trying to do what these applications do but from a bash script (http://alternativeto.net/software/similarimages/)
[20:33] <Dr_Willis> Err.. i dont think he ment the MONO language. ;)
[20:33] <Dr_Willis> he wants to remap stero sound into mono output.
[20:33] <lvleph> DarwinSurvivor: My wife had said something about the DVD not seated correctly, but didn't mention it wasn't working. Thing had come completely unseated and wasn't even connected. lol
[20:34] <DarwinSurvivor> Dr_Willis: Nothing_Much: oh, my bad, I read that differently. lol
[20:34] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: lol. anything else loose?
[20:34] <Dr_Willis> DarwinSurvivor:  :)  gotta love the horriable names companies and people have been using for projects lately, .net, mono, edge, touch,
[20:35] <lvleph> DarwinSurvivor didn't look straight so I took it out and put it back in.
[20:35] <lvleph> RAM*
[20:35] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: years ago I actually bought a brand-new (in the box) desktop machine and found out the first day they'd forgotten to connect the power cable to the 3.5" drive!
[20:35] <reisio> kriskropd: there is software for that, I don't know what it's called, though
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, You have a unallocated space, a screen shot of gparted would help in a imagebin, you will have to install gparted is all.
[20:35] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: that would *definitely* cause problems! do a memtest when you boot it up just to be sure
[20:36] <lvleph> Things seem to be a bit snappier now DarwinSurvivor
[20:36] <lvleph> hopefully this fixes all my issues, but i doubt it.
[20:36] <reisio> kriskropd: imagemagick has a way to calculate the 'differences' between images, too
[20:36] <lvleph> Forget the memtest
[20:36] <reisio> for a really brutal way of doing it, you could find them all and diff them all :p
[20:36] <triniboi> \quit
[20:36] <lvleph> forgot*
[20:37] <codephobic> hi
[20:37] <lvleph> Damn Macbook has a dent in it and it is actually warped now. DarwinSurvivor
[20:37] <lvleph> I had a RAM stick pop out randomly twice today.
[20:38] <billyroebuck> guntbert, i just saw your message, thanks!
[20:38] <guntbert> billyroebuck: You're welcome
[20:38] <ubnoobtu> gparted, isnt the g\\ uh edittor?
[20:38] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: yeah, macbooks tend to dent instead of crack. you can usually straighten them out with pliers (friend of mine had to do that a couple times after dropping his)
[20:38] <codephobic> anyone been experiencing soundcard issues of late in ubuntu 13.04? for some reason, occasionally the audio out gets set to "dummy output" and there is no sound driver available.
[20:38] <lvleph> This one fell 2m lol
[20:39] <q236> hi, I want to install ubuntu on a portable hdd and use it on multiple computers, with different motherboards, can I do that, or should I stick to a live installation, and add things I need alongside?
[20:39] <lvleph> good thing for the auto drive lock
[20:39] <ubnoobtu> I used pulsaaudio in 12.04
[20:39] <wilee-nilee> ubnoobtu, ? use nicks please?
[20:39] <guntbert> lvleph: back to ubuntu support please
[20:39] <q236> (last time I did that with windows, it did not work out that well)
[20:40] <lvleph> I miss the way the Ubuntu IRC was in the early days
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> q236, externals even a usb 3 will run slow, use a usb flash with a full install.
[20:40] <lvleph> much more lax
[20:40] <ubnoobtu> wilinee | I'm sorry, brb.
[20:41] <billyroebuck> guntbert ... i ran that command... (note: localhost was already working for me)
[20:41] <q236> wilee-nilee: I kind of need alot of space.
[20:41] <guntbert> lvleph: there is #ubuntu-offtopic ...
[20:41] <lvleph> I know
[20:41] <billyroebuck> guntbert, but I was hoping to be able to manage files (E.g. through filezilla) without having to run it as sudo
[20:41] <guntbert> billyroebuck: that is the purpose, you have to log out/log in before it will take
[20:42] <billyroebuck> guntbert, of ubuntu ?
[20:42] <q236> wilee-nilee: but I would like to know if I can plug it in other computers and wether it will work or not...
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> q236, A live installation does not fit that picture can you possibly make sense? ;)
[20:42] <guntbert> billyroebuck: yes
[20:42] <billyroebuck> okay cheers brb ;)
[20:42] <DarwinSurvivor> q236: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[20:42] <q236> wilee-nilee: I thought you could customize it.. like that link from DarwinSurvivor
[20:42] <lvleph> typically a login logout cycle isn't needed in linux
[20:42] <wilee-nilee> q236, Soemtimes yes sometomes no depends on the hardware really.
[20:43] <lvleph> it may be easier than the required command sequence but...
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> q236, I put them in ignore a while back to much garbage.
[20:43] <guntbert> lvleph: in this case it is necessary, group membership is only applied on log in
[20:43] <lvleph> I am always weary of instructions that include a reboot
[20:43] <guntbert> lvleph: no reboot - just log out/in
[20:43] <lvleph> you're right guntbert
[20:44] <guntbert> :)
[20:44] <lvleph> I was just mentioning my aversion to reboots
[20:44] <q236> oh well, thanks, guess I will stick to a live installation
[20:45] <billyroebuck> guntbert, I restarted my Ubuntu VM... opened filezilla, but I still can't create folders in /var/www
[20:45] <billyroebuck> (i'd like to be able to do that, or have a 'sites' folder on my desktop that I can work in)
[20:45] <guntbert> billyroebuck: filezilla?? I thought we were talking about the localhost?
[20:45] <lvleph> do a ls -l on /var/www
[20:46] <lvleph> and make sure the user and group are correct
[20:46] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: are you running filezilla on the same machine as the web server...?
[20:47] <guntbert> billyroebuck: send the result of what lvleph said into a !pastebin and tell the channel the URL
[20:47] <billyroebuck> lvleph,  i see www-data on the folders in my /var/www dir
[20:47] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, yep all the same machine
[20:47] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: as the user or the group? (or both?)
[20:47] <billyroebuck> sorry im a bit slow ;)
[20:47] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: no need to use filezilla to access local files, that's for ftp and sftp (remote systems)
[20:47] <lvleph> the problem billyroebuck is that it would have to be accessible by ftp group
[20:48] <lvleph> the current and default group is www-data
[20:48] <DarwinSurvivor> lvleph: actually, ftp (if using system accounts for login) will inherit the groups assigned to the user you log in as
[20:48] <lvleph> good point DarwinSurvivor
[20:48] <billyroebuck> http://pastebin.com/ZzkfReU9
[20:49] <lvleph> so just add the user to www-data group
[20:49] <Rickky> Morning
[20:49] <reisio> 'lo
[20:49] <guntbert> lvleph: I leave you with the issue - bedtime :-))  (I had him add himself already)
[20:49] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: you have some directories owned by root in there, are those files/directories *you* created or were they installed by something eles?
[20:49] <billyroebuck> I ran " sudo adduser billy www-data" before... you're referring to the FTP user though
[20:50] <lvleph> and this is the user you are using in filezilla?
[20:50] <DarwinSurvivor> if *you* put them in, then do a "sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/" to fix your current permissions problem
[20:50] <billyroebuck> apart from index.html (created by apache), I created the rest.... maybe after running sudo -s
[20:50] <guntbert> billyroebuck: aah - you should use your user name for that command - my bad
[20:50] <lvleph> whatever the user is for filezilla will have to be added to that group billyroebuck
[20:51] <billyroebuck> my user = billy
[20:51] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: sudo -s would make you root, which means any files you create/copy will also be owned by root (and thus un-editable by you when not root)
[20:51] <lvleph> hmmm
[20:51] <billyroebuck> im running FileZilla from Unity
[20:51] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: if you are on the same machine, why are you using filezilla? Just open the directory with your filebrowser or editor directly...
[20:52] <lvleph> also, having the index.html as root:root will make in inaccessible from the web. billyroebuck
[20:52] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, http://pastebin.com/g6Px5GT9
[20:52] <Nothing_Much> Uh..
[20:52] <Nothing_Much> Mono sound enabling? Anyone?
[20:52] <lvleph> I would run sudo chown www-data:www-data index.html
[20:53] <lvleph> I actually have to go to bed too
[20:53] <kingpin8080> Can someone tell why ubuntu will not resolve a hostname.  I have checked the resolve.conf and it is fine.
[20:53] <lvleph> so later
[20:53] <billyroebuck> to go back a step, I created an Ubuntu VM, installed LAMP, etc... and localhost is working... if i put a folder/files in there, they load in the browser...
[20:53] <kingpin8080> I was working then it stop
[20:53] <kingpin8080> It was working then it stop
[20:54] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: lvleph actually, index.html will work fine because it is world-readable, you'll just have to be root to edit or delete it
[20:54] <billyroebuck> i want to be able to create files/folders in there (either thru Nautilus or FileZilla)
[20:54] <billyroebuck> if I browse to var/www in Nautilus, I can't create folders (same for FileZilla)
[20:55] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: are you going to need to edit/create files from another machine (remotely)?
[20:55] <qin> billyroebuck: just chown whole www folder to yourself, or better put in your /home/$USER
[20:55] <billyroebuck> nope. it's just a simple local dev environment where ill be FTPing stuff up to a server (or downloading from a FTP server to the machine)
[20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: then don't worry about filezilla and I'd disable/remove the ftp server for security reasons.
[20:56] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, maybe im missing something (like my brain for example) but its just the FileZilla client
[20:56] <qin> billyroebuck: yeah, ftp is bad thing
[20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> you'll only need filezilla to access your remote ftp server (although I would *STRONGLY* recommend using something else like sftp if you can)
[20:57] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: for editing the local files, just use your filemanager
[20:57] <billyroebuck> should I do what qin said... ?
[20:57] <qin> billyroebuck: sshfs is as simple as secure (if asked)
[20:57] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: I would chown all of the stuff *in* www to your user, but leave www owned by www-data
[20:58] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: "sudo chown -R billy:billy /var/www/*"
[20:59] <billyroebuck> but then how would I create a new folder in /var/www ?
[20:59] <billyroebuck> I basically want a folder that I can use with the logged in user, billy, for all my web-dev stuff
[20:59] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: the www folder is owned by the www-data group and writable by anyone in that group (which you should be the next time you log in)
[20:59] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, I added billy to the www-data group earlier, but it doesn't look like i can write to the folder
[21:00] <billyroebuck> billy@ubuntu:/var/www$ mkdir test
[21:00] <billyroebuck> mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Permission denied
[21:00] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: for you to actually become a member of the group, you will need to log out and back in again (to Unity). You do not need to reboot the machine, just log out
[21:00] <billyroebuck> (i shutdown the whole VM and powered it up again)
[21:00] <DarwinSurvivor> VM.....?
[21:00] <billyroebuck> thanks heaps for your help guys, i really appreciate it
[21:01] <billyroebuck> I'm running Ubuntu as a VM via VMWare on a Windows 7 host
[21:01] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: is the "localhost" machine running in a VM...?
[21:01] <billyroebuck> I start my VM, open my browser and go to localhost, and Apache is working fine... I'm just trying to make it easier to manage my sites
[21:02] <billyroebuck> with the 'billy' user
[21:02] <DarwinSurvivor> so you are logged into the host operating system (which OS is this by the way..?) and then run apache in a VM (which I'm assuming is the Ubuntu machine).
[21:03] <DarwinSurvivor> are you doing your development in the VM, or on the host machine then moving the files to the VM?
[21:03] <billyroebuck> I think I'm confusing you guys...  I have a Win7 machine running  Ubuntu on a VM via VMware ... on the Ubuntu VM I have everything.. my files, programs, LAMP, etc and it's working fine..
[21:03] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, everything on the VM
[21:03] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: ok, but are you doing the actual file editing in Windows or in Ubuntu?
[21:04] <billyroebuck> everything in Ubuntu
[21:04] <rafaelsoaresbr> please help me adding this PPA: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer
[21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> ok, nevermind then.
[21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: what can you copy/paste the output of "id" from the VM terminal?
[21:05] <DarwinSurvivor> and then pastebin the output of "ls -la /var/www" (note the a this time)
[21:05] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: sorry, that should be "ls -la /var/www/" (with the trailing slash)
[21:05] <billyroebuck> http://pastebin.com/f5xFB9D0
[21:06] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: that doesn't have the "a" in "-la"
[21:06] <DarwinSurvivor> oh, my bad, wrong link :P
[21:06] <DarwinSurvivor> ok, you are in the www-data group. let's see what the ls command shows :)
[21:06] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor,  http://pastebin.com/wVS0U7g5
[21:07] <billyroebuck> i owe you guys a beer
[21:07] <DarwinSurvivor> aha, www isn't group writable, that would be your problem right there
[21:07] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: sudo chmod 775 /var/www
[21:08] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, thanks, that did it
[21:08] <billyroebuck> I can create a folder from FileZilla, but not via Nautilus
[21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: good to hear. I recommend doing some reading on how Unix permissions work (rwx, etc). You will most likely find it *very* useful in the future.
[21:09] <billyroebuck> yeah... i studied this stuff at uni 10 years ago but its all gone
[21:10] <billyroebuck> i just had to restart nautilus, i can manage files now...
[21:10] <billyroebuck> thanks everyone...!
[21:10] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: good luck with your web development
[21:10] <billyroebuck> cheers
[21:11] <billyroebuck>  DarwinSurvivor - thanks... yeah I'm making the transition from Windows to Ubuntu (my background is with .NET and M/S) ... here's the new site I'm working on with Drupal/drush/etc - http://meowzen.com/pac
[21:11] <billyroebuck> )
[21:11] <DarwinSurvivor> rafaelsoaresbr: for background information, why do you think you need that ppa?
[21:12] <HAWiese> Moin, moin!
[21:12] <HAWiese> Moin, moin!
[21:12] <rafaelsoaresbr> DarwinSurvivor: i want to install fglrx-installer package from there
[21:13] <DarwinSurvivor> rafaelsoaresbr: is the default fglrx package not working for some reason?
[21:13] <rafaelsoaresbr> DarwinSurvivor: it's not working, already tried. I have had to chroot to repair my system
[21:14] <billyroebuck> last question - how can I create a shortcut from my Desktop to my /var/www folder?
[21:14] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: "ln -s /var/www/ ~/Desktop/name_of_then_link_here"
[21:15] <rafaelsoaresbr> DarwinSurvivor: following intructions from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:15] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: you can also hold "alt" and drag the folder to your desktop and chose "as link"
[21:16] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, thanks for the alt tip, worked!
[21:16] <DarwinSurvivor> rafaelsoaresbr: on second look, I don't think that's a PPA. try just doing "sudo apt-get install fglrx-installer"
[21:16] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: no problem
[21:16] <billyroebuck> thanks qin, lvleph !
[21:16] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: just a side note, unlike windows links, you can actually work inside the link as if it were a directory "ex: gedit ~/Desktop/www/index.html" :)
[21:17] <billyroebuck> cool
[21:17] <bigbadben> Hey if I want to make a desktop app what is the best way to do it?
[21:17] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: what language do you want to use?
[21:18] <rafaelsoaresbr> DarwinSurvivor: understood, what about this? https://launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/+archive/xorg-edgers
[21:18] <bigbadben> python
[21:18] <reisio> bigbadben: do you want handheld devices to be able to use it?
[21:19] <reisio> desktop as a paradigm is changing
[21:19] <DarwinSurvivor> rafaelsoaresbr: I would try all of the packages in the actual repository first (as the #ubuntu channel doesn't support 3rd party PPA's). If however you REALLY need to install it, there are instructions on the page you linked to
[21:19] <bigbadben> DarwinSurvivor, reisio, I guess
[21:19] <reisio> bigbadben: make yourself a python backend and a web UI
[21:19] <reisio> that'll minimize the porting you'll have to do
[21:20] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: if you want something actually "desktop", look at pyqt, pygtk and pytk
[21:20] <rafaelsoaresbr> DarwinSurvivor: i really wanted to use oficial repositories, but actually it is not working. :-(
[21:20] <bigbadben> well the real reason I ask is because there is a old app out there that no longer works and I want to make it work on 13.04 but I dont know where to start
[21:21] <reisio> bigbadben: which app?
[21:21] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: unfortunately iPhones, Androids and Blackberrys all use their own programming language for native apps and porting is a PITA.
[21:21] <bigbadben> blubphone
[21:21] <reisio> you can use python for all those apps
[21:21] <reisio> there are packages that will bundle the interpreter for you
[21:21] <reisio> all those devices*
[21:21] <reisio> bigbadben: what is it?
[21:22] <bigbadben> you set it up on your android and it forwards texts to your desktop then you can respond
[21:22] <CYR4N0> I'm tyring to get the nvidia proprietary drivers to work in 13.04. I was able to get passed the black screen with using the nomodeset setting. Now the nvidia drive doesn't seem to load and I get a very low resolution.
[21:22] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: do you need to re-write both applications or just the desktop one (it looks like the system works by pairing an ubuntu application with an android app that talk to each other)
[21:22] <bigbadben> just the ubuntu one
[21:23] <reisio> bigbadben: mmm
[21:23] <reisio> wouldn't it be simpler to just take your mobile messaging out of the equation altogether?
[21:23] <reisio> and send messages over the network alone?
[21:23] <reisio> cheaper, too
[21:23] <bigbadben> reisio, what do you mean?
[21:24] <reisio> this app helps you send a message from your desktop to your phone, which then sends to whomever
[21:24] <reisio> why not just send from your desktop directly to whomever
[21:24] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: do you know what language the original application is written in?
[21:25] <bigbadben> well the part I like about it is every time I get a txt it pops up on my desktop then I just type my response and contuie working then my hands never have to leave the keyboard
[21:25] <bigbadben> *continue
[21:25] <reisio> I get it, it's just backwards
[21:25] <bigbadben> gtk2.0+ I guess?
[21:26] <reisio> just tell your friends to use skype or something, and then you take the text messaging of your phone entirely out of the equation
[21:26] <reisio> you can even use such software on your phone as well
[21:27] <bigbadben> reisio, there are other applications out there but this is one I want to work on and make better your missing the point of my question
[21:27] <reisio> no I get it :p
[21:27] <reisio> you want what you had
[21:27] <reisio> I'm just saying it could be better, and it's kind of a waste of time :D
[21:28] <DarwinSurvivor> bigbadben: have you tried approaching the developer? He may not know that it is broken and could just fix it for you.
[21:29] <reisio> or he's just working on the new version
[21:29] <reisio> it works for 12
[21:29] <reisio> 13 is still pretty new
[21:29] <reisio> I'm not seeing any source code, though
[21:29] <reisio> another reason to not tie yourself to this app
[21:32] <bigbadben> I have talked to the dev and he is on holiday till September, I offered some help but anyway the code is not that complicated. Every time I try to run it though I get a "warning" in python and it seems to be a bug in ubuntu
[21:33] <billyroebuck> DarwinSurvivor, how can I update all the files in my www folder (and subdirectories) so that I'm the owner
[21:33] <billyroebuck> right now its a bit of a mix and a mess
[21:34] <peterrooney> billyroebuck: chown -R is your friend
[21:34] <DarwinSurvivor> billyroebuck: "sudo chown -R billy:billy /var/www/*"
[21:34] <billyroebuck> what does the second 'billy' do ?
[21:35] <jrib> billyroebuck: group
[21:35] <reisio> second is group
[21:35] <billyroebuck> jrib , reisio - thanks !
[21:35] <billyroebuck> that worked DarwinSurvivor  - thanks... no more padlocks :)
[21:36] <billyroebuck> you're right though, I need to brush up on UNIX permissions
[21:36] <newbie1234> Hello all
[21:47] <egust21> could anyone help me create a bootable USB using os x please?
[21:47] <egust21> I have done it many times before using the terminal but today I just seem to be creating unreadable disks
[21:49] <bandobun> hi, I've got a problem with my mouse. the cursor is randomly jumping to the edges, when i move it. it's not the mouse's fault
[21:49] <bandobun> any ideas? I'm not using vm either
[21:49] <Nasuga> bandobun, I had that problem myself. Are you using a laptop by chance?
[21:49] <bandobun> no
[21:49] <Nasuga> bandobun, ohh, never mind.
[21:50] <bandobun> it's killing me. i don't want to reinstall the system just for that annoying bug
[21:50] <Nasuga> bandobun, I was going to say it could be a problem with your touchpad but I'm out of ideas.
[21:50] <bandobun> but if i don't solve this, i'll smash the mouse against the wall and feel even worse :P
[21:50] <bluefox83> having some boot-time problems...no idea what to do >.>
[21:50] <egust21> I'd like to install ubuntu to begin with
[21:51] <papna> I'm using 12.04 and running metacity. I want pidgin to have its own system tray icon, but I can't seem to get it to be anything but under indicator applet.
[21:51] <papna> I've turned on displaying a system tray icon in the pidgin configiration settings
[21:51] <hayer> rTorrent starts before the fstab has mounted my NAS -- whats the best way to fix this? <_>
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: what testing have you done to decide it's not the mouse's fault?
[21:52] <bandobun> i've attached it to a windows laptop
[21:52] <bekks> hayer: Dont start rtorrent automatically.
[21:52] <DarwinSurvivor> also, what surface are you using the mouse on (many mice, even expensive ones, don't work properly on some surfaces)
[21:53] <hayer> bekks: that is not a solution.
[21:53] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: have you tried another mouse on the problem machine?
[21:53] <bandobun> i only have this one, unfortunately
[21:54] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: has anything changed since it was working (installed/reinstalled ubuntu, moved computer to a new desk, ran an update, etc)
[21:54] <bandobun> i haven't used the computer in quite a while (3-4 months), then started it again and ran all the updates
[21:55] <bekks> hayer: Then create a wrapper script for starting rtorrent.
[21:56] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: was it working before you ran the updates?
[21:56] <bandobun> yes
[21:57] <trism> papna: the system tray icon would show up in the notification area, not the indicator applet, have you added the notification area to your panel?
[21:57] <hayer> bekks: links / pointers? Wrapper script doesn't tell me much..
[21:57] <bekks> hayer: a shell script that checks al prerequisites befor starting rtorrent.
[21:59] <bluefox83> rcpbind: cannot open '/run/rpcbind/rpcbind.xdr' file for reading errno 2 (no such file or directory)   I get that error on my server box when i boot it up, it wont go much further than that :(
[21:59] <bluefox83> it stops after deciding my main HD is clean and that's all it does...
[22:00] <bluefox83> also i get a mountall: Event failed error
[22:01] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: does the mouse feel sporadic and unpredictable, or just extremly fast and hard to control?
[22:01] <bandobun> the former
[22:02] <bandobun> like, i can move it in a circle and suddenly it's in the upper left corner
[22:02] <DarwinSurvivor> so if you move the mouse slightly left, it doesn't necessarily fly to the left?
[22:02] <bandobun> nope
[22:03] <DarwinSurvivor> and when you tested in on the windows machine, was the mouse physically in the same place (on the same desk/table)?
[22:03] <bbc581> You forgot to ask him if it was Wireless
[22:03] <bandobun> interesting. I've just increased the pointer sensitivity (it was strangely extremely low), and now it still happens, but just not as often. when i tested it on the laptop, the mouse was on the same spot. it's a cable mouse
[22:05] <bbc581> How old is the damn thing... It might be the dpi it sports
[22:05] <hayer> Can I use hostnames in my fstab file?
[22:05] <bandobun> also, sometimes when it jumpes into a corner, it can be difficult to get it back, as if it's fighting against me
[22:05] <Nasuga> bandobun: have you tried a different mouse?
[22:06] <bandobun> i only have this one
[22:06] <Nasuga> bandobun, try borrowing a mouse from a relative or a friend and see if you have the same problem.
[22:07] <Dr_Willis> hayer:  for what kind of share?  and what network setup? ive had issues using hostnames befor
[22:07] <bandobun> i'll probably buy one tomorrow. kind of isolated at the moment
[22:08] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: yes you can, just make sure the entries are in your hosts file or you have a very reliable DNS server
[22:09] <DarwinSurvivor> bandobun: also try another usb port on the computer (if it's usb). unlikely but possible issue I've seen once or twice
[22:09] <bandobun> yep, tried that too
[22:10] <hayer> Dr_Willis: for a NFS share
[22:10] <hayer> DarwinSurvivor: Its the hostname of my NAS. Would that be "OK"?
[22:11] <Guest55988> need help resolving slow wireless file transfer between two computers in ad-hoc. my every day computer is a laptop connected to another in ad-hoc. when i  use it to download files from internet using bittorrent i get speeds up to 300 kB/sec. the other computer witch is connected to internet has a mobile modem. but when i transfer files between the two computers the transfer speed is almost slower than when i download from internet. '
[22:11] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: how is the hostname resolved? (hosts file, dns server, router's dns, etc)?
[22:12] <hayer> DarwinSurvivor: Routers DNS, a pfsense box.
[22:13] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: should work
[22:13] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: if it's on a laptop, you'll see issues when connecting to other networks (NFS is notoriously difficult to unmount when the remote server is no longer accessible)
[22:13] <hayer> DarwinSurvivor: soo "stronghold01:/mnt/storage01 /mnt/stronghold01 nfs rw,hard,nolock,intr 0 0" ?  stronghold01 is the hostname.
[22:13] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: but that's fstab specific, not hostname specific
[22:14] <DarwinSurvivor> hayer: yep, that's actually how I have my desktop configured
[22:15] <abaddon> Hey guys, I'm trying to get ePSXE1.8 to run my ps1 games in Ubu. If I launch the program with wine through terminal all is hunky dory. But when I launch it by clicking on the file issues arries where the program can't find the needed folders to run. I'm thinking it's a group issue where my user isn't in the correct Wine groups. Any thoughts?
[22:15] <bandobun> is there a general approach towards reinstalling the mouse driver or something like that?
[22:16] <columb> Why there is no widgets for unity?
[22:16] <papna> trism: That makes sense. I haven't and don't know how to add the notification area. I've tried to find some results on google, but they don't seem to work--I think some might be assuming I'm using unity.
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  make a script that cd's to where the binary is at. then runs it in wine.   then make a launcher that runs that script.   it dosent sound like a group issue to me.
[22:17] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i find wine to flakey to rely on double clicking the .exe files ;)
[22:18] <TannedVampire> i'm going to dual boot two os on my acer laptop.  I already have ubuntu.  So how do I put peppermint on the laptop?
[22:18] <trism> papna: alt+right click the panel in an open area
[22:18] <[DS]Matej> Hi I an new on unbuntu
[22:18] <papna> trism: Thanks!!!
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  if you are lucky - you resize the partions make room for pepermints /  then install it there. and its grub will HOPEFULLY see both disrtos and add them to the grub menu
[22:18] <[DS]Matej> One question is this free VPS or?
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  if you just want to test pepermint.. id just test it in virtualbox.
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> [DS]Matej:  what?   ubuntu is an OS - not a VPS.
[22:19] <[DS]Matej> Ok
[22:19] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I know it's petty of my to want to double click but hey, it's faster at times. I didn't think of doing a script. hmmmm
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i imagine its an issue with where the binary is being ran from more then anything else.
[22:19] <chrissey> and shouldn't peppermind offer a function to set up a dualboot?
[22:19] <TannedVampire> Dr_Willis: I resized partitions to make room for pepermints.  Should I leave unallocated space or make a new partition for it?
[22:20] <bluefox83> im having some serious boot-time issues, and I need some help figuring out what the problem really is....
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  many people have to  make scripts to do wine stuff because wine games like to exit and leave the resolution set wrong
[22:20] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  depends on ther installer.. it shouldent matter - you just tell the installer what to do
[22:21] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  Location ould make sense if it hadn't been working fine a month ago.
[22:22] <chrissey> bluefox, how does your issues show?
[22:23] <TannedVampire> Dr_Willis:  oh okay.  when i install peppermint...it says it will overwrite ubuntu...so i choose to manually select a partition for peppermint
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  thats one of the quirks with wine.. wine versions, X version, even kernel versions can all cause issues when they change.
[22:23] <TannedVampire> then I click Install Now
[22:23] <abaddon> Dr_Willis, How would I go about creating the script? Would it be something like-- > #!/bin/bash cd /home/abaddon/Emulations/epsxe     THEN  wine ePSXe.exe?
[22:23] <bluefox83> chrissey: eh, i can't tell if it's stuck doing an fsck force check (says /dev/sda1 is 12.0% non-contiguous) or whether it;s a rcpbind issue
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  yep.
[22:23] <TannedVampire> then it says "no root filesystem is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[22:24] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  Well that seems easy,lol I'll try it. Thanks
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  people often have to use such scripts with a xrandr command at the end to set a proper res.
[22:24] <cody_> hello
[22:24] <gumble> hey, I just read that kubuntu isn't made by canocial? so it is like competition? why doesn't ubuntu just implement the kde desktop?
[22:24] <reisio> 'lo
[22:24] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  Will report is it goes arry
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  you need to define where to put /
[22:24] <reisio> gumble: very little is _made_ by Canoniacl
[22:24] <reisio> Canonical*
[22:24] <bluefox83> chrissey: booting into the recovery mode doesn't help much, says everything is in read-only mode and trying to mount only messes it up again...
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  if this is all new to you. i suggest testing pepermint out in virtualbox instead.
[22:24] <reisio> gumble: Ubuntu is Debian GNU/Linux plus GNOME 3 plus Compiz plus Unity plus a few other things
[22:24] <chrissey> hmm
[22:24] <reisio> gumble: Kubuntu is Debian GNU/Linux plus KDE plus a few other things
[22:25] <reisio> all the stuff under KDE or GNOME should match, more or less
[22:25] <Kalel> Greetings.4
[22:25] <chrissey> bluefox:have you tried booting a live system, e. g. Knoppix or similar
[22:25] <gumble> reisio: it's sure more the debian + gnome
[22:25] <gumble> a lot more
[22:25] <cody_> im setting up a new install of irssi with ru torrent plugin and a bit confused...
[22:25] <reisio> gumble: uh, not as a percentage, no
[22:25] <bluefox83> chrissey: yeah the only one i had was one for my laptop which is for amd64 but the box in question is 32bit D:
[22:25] <reisio> cody_: about?
[22:25] <gumble> haha then debian just is linux reisio
[22:25] <reisio> gumble: hrmm?
[22:25] <cody_> im getting a port error in rutorrent
[22:26] <Kalel> I would like to install Kali in dual with my Raring and I want to keep the Ubuntu's grub. How can I Install without chage that?
[22:26] <cody_> it points me to .irssi/config
[22:26] <reisio> cody_: and the error is?
[22:26] <gumble> reisio: then debian just is linux + and de with your logic
[22:26] <gumble> * an de
[22:26] <cody_>  Error downloading files. Make sure autodl-irssi is started and configured properly (eg. password, port number): Error getting files listing: Error: Could not connect: (111) Connection refused
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Kalel:  you may need to boot back to ubuntu the first time and rerun 'update-grub' from ubuntu.
[22:26] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  would I type exit 0 at the end?
[22:26] <reisio> gumble: and GNU, and a package manager, yes
[22:26] <k1l_> gumble: kubuntu was a sponsored by canonical community distro. now the sponsor changed but its still a community distro in the ubuntu family
[22:26] <gumble> reisio: you can't say ubuntu is nothing/ sure debian is a lot more then ubuntu
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> Kalel:  or tell kali to not  install grub to the mbr.
[22:26] <reisio> gumble: I could say that, but I haven't
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  thats the proper way to end a script. ;)
[22:26] <chrissey> bluefox, can you get a x86 version maybe on a thumbdriver or any other media, your pc can boot from?
[22:27] <chrissey> *thumbdrive
[22:27] <gumble> reisio: well you did say ubuntu is not much more then debian
[22:27] <Kalel> Ok, Dr_Willis.
[22:27] <k1l_> and for more talk about that we got the #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss channels
[22:27] <TannedVampire> Dr_Willis: Thanks.  I put / on it.  I don't need virtualbox.  I just use my laptop for fun.
[22:27] <k1l_> @ gumble and reisio ^
[22:27] <reisio> gumble: it isn't
[22:27] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  XD I've only written one script and that was for installing a LOT of repos and ptrograms. =p thx
[22:27] <reisio> k1l_: mmm
[22:27] <bluefox83> chrissey: yeah but it'll take time to dl, i was hoping we could figure something out a faster way?
[22:28] <pieguy123> hello. does anyone know how to install norton on ubuntu, via wine?
[22:28] <cody_> any tips on the connection refused error?
[22:28] <qin>  pieguy123 huh?
[22:28] <gumble> k1l_: still don't understand why it wouldn't be wiser for can. to just implement kde/xfce and stuff and shut down the competition
[22:28] <pieguy123> qin: i'm trying to install norton antivirus
[22:28] <k1l_> pieguy123: why do you want to install an antivirus software in wine?
[22:28] <chrissey> hmm
[22:28] <pieguy123> incase i get a virus
[22:28] <qin> !av
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> TannedVampire:  just skimmed the peppermint linux site/docs.. and well..i dont see the point. ;) but have fun
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> pieguy123:  your not going to get a virus.
[22:29] <vJk7Rp> qin, very bad def
[22:29] <reisio> and if you did, Norton inside Wine wouldn't help much
[22:29] <k1l_> gumble: its not a competition, its an addition. but see my remarks to the other discussion channels to keep this channel to technical support, thanks
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> pieguy123:  biggest danger to a Ubuntu/Linux box - is tyhe end  user doing somthing stupid i find..
[22:29] <gumble> reisio: maybe as a percentage. still we have very different opinions here
[22:29] <qin> vJk7Rp: hm? elaborate?
[22:29] <chrissey> what is about the media, you installed ubuntu from?
[22:29] <bluefox83> chrissey: is there something we can try from the grub boot menu?
[22:29] <Guest0444> :)
[22:30] <bluefox83> chrissey: oh, i wiped that thumb drive and put another version (the one for x64) on there a long time ago
[22:30] <vJk7Rp> there are linux exploits and cross platform malware
[22:30] <chrissey> maybe you could try disabling fsck in grub, but i dont know how
[22:30] <bluefox83> i wonder if i have an old knoppix cd O.o
[22:31] <vJk7Rp> qin, and after all stupid users with root priviledges...
[22:31] <TannedVampire> Dr_Willis: it works!  peppermint is installing at this moment.  Thank you!
[22:31] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  It says wine: cannot find L"C:\\windows\\system32\\ePSXEe.exe" when i launch it from terminal
[22:32] <rypervenche> abaddon: Why don't you use a better PS1 emulator?
[22:32] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I was checking to see why it wasn't running.
[22:32] <abaddon> rypervenche,  what would you recommend? I frankly like ePSXe...when it works.
[22:33] <rypervenche> abaddon: One sec, I'll get you teh name.
[22:34] <chrissey> bluefox: after some research, you have to add "fastboot" to the kernel options, that are passed to the kernel
[22:34] <rypervenche> abaddon: http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/
[22:34] <abaddon> rypervenche,  Dr_Willis  I know there are linux versions out there just so you guys know. But I find they don't stay in a single folder unlike the window versions.
[22:34] <bluefox83> chrissey: how do i do that?'
[22:34] <abaddon> rypervenche,  thx, will look at it
[22:35] <chrissey> wbvluefox, when you boot up your pc, does grub show its menu?
[22:36] <abaddon> rypervenche,  psx emu is less feature rich compared to epsxe. They intend it to be EXACTLY like ps1. Which is...well...errr...not too great at times
[22:36] <bluefox83> chrissey: yep
[22:36] <rypervenche> abaddon: Well, if you want something that just works without plugins or anything, then that's the way to go.
[22:37] <chrissey> then  there is a text under the menu, you press the key that is mapped to 'edit'
[22:37] <bluefox83> k
[22:37] <abaddon> rypervenche, that's the thing, it didn't for me. No joke, tried it today while i was considering dumping epsxe. the video is buggy and sound blips weirdly. I record game sessions so need it to work nearly flawlessly.
[22:37] <bluefox83> where do i put the fastboot option?
[22:38] <chrissey> so you are now in this edit-menu?
[22:38] <bluefox83> yes
[22:38] <rypervenche> abaddon: Well it's up to you. Do you want plugins and features for an emulator that doesn't work, or do you want to be able to play your PS1 games?
[22:39] <abaddon> rypervenche,  epsxe has been the only one to do that. I can run it fine through terminal it's just lame that I'd have to is all.
[22:39] <chrissey> now you select the line that begins with 'linux'
[22:40] <bluefox83> like: linux /vmlinux-3.2.0-48-generic-pae root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu--server-\ root ro
[22:41] <chrissey> yep
[22:41] <bluefox83> ok...so where in that line do i put the fastboot option?
[22:41] <chrissey> yep
[22:42] <abaddon> rypervenche, I know, lame that i'll create a script but not use terminal. =p
[22:42] <abaddon> Anyway, Dr_Willis  any ideas as to what's up with the error?
[22:42] <bluefox83> chrissey: at the end? i'm really new to tinkering with this stuff...
[22:43] <chrissey> so you appended 'fastboot' to the line?
[22:44] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  how are you launching it from the command line exactly?
[22:45] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  well, the bash file i just type bash epsxe.sh it wasn't opening with clicks so was troubleshooting through terminal. =P
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  so you are IN the current directory where  the .exe is at
[22:46] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  try it from a differnt location givieng the full path to the .exe
[22:46] <chrissey> bluefox?
[22:46] <bluefox83> chrissey: yes?
[22:47] <chrissey> so you appended 'fastboot' to the line?
[22:47] <bluefox83> oh nice, it kicked me into busybox >.>
[22:48] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I cd to my home dir a typed bash /home/abaddon/Emulation/ePSXe1.8/epsxe.sh same error comes up
[22:49] <bluefox83> chrissey: what should i do? it kicked me into a busybox initramfs and i have no idea what to do >.>
[22:50] <chrissey> errm, could you enter mount and give me the output? (maybe over pastebin -> excess flood)
[22:50] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  the exe when run from terminal works fine. My bash script doesn't when ether in the same dir or another .
[22:51] <InFlames> my 13.04 seems to be having a dns issue, can someone help me out? i can ping ups, but not domains, however, other machines on the network can still use the web as bormal
[22:51] <InFlames> normal*
[22:51] <InFlames> ips*
[22:51] <bluefox83> there are only 4 rootft on / type rootfs (rw), sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime). proc on /proc (same as sysfs). udev and devpts
[22:51] <rzeka> Which VPN service should I use to get VPN access (hm?) and to get my ip visible as server's ip?
[22:51] <bluefox83> oh and tmpfs
[22:51] <willows> Sometimes random status messages like "Initializing video... Video Mode: 512 x 448..." will appear in terminal. Is there a way to make it so terminal (and particularly Vim) doesn't display these messages?
[22:53] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  paste the script and error to pastebin for the channel to look at.
[22:54] <chrissey> bluefox?
[22:54] <abaddon> !pastebin
[22:54] <bluefox83> chrissey: yes? i'm not typing all that out. it's a bit much and i'm afraid i'll botch it
[22:55] <Dr_Willis> rzeka:  any of them wouls show the servers ip.
[22:55] <bluefox83> if there was one of those entries you need info from i'll type it out though
[22:55] <chrissey> okay, so is in the output anywhere /dev/sda1?
[22:55] <Dr_Willis> rzeka:  digitalocean had a $5 or $10 'free' special the other day. they seem to be a decent service.
[22:55] <bluefox83> nope
[22:56] <bluefox83> should i fsck.ext2 /dev/sda1 ?
[22:56] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5975304/
[22:56] <chrissey> you could try this: http://justcheckingonall.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/howto-repair-broken-ext4-partitions/
[22:56] <rzeka> Dr_Willis: You did not understand me :) I've got a server, now I've got VPN service too :) Now i just have to forward it somehow to become visible as server not as me when I'm connected
[22:57] <rzeka> I am using pptpd right now
[22:57] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  yoru shell script is not cd'ing to where the binary is at..
[22:57] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  i fixed it's launching issue from terminal
[22:58] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  exactly... I just realized that.... XD Sorry. lemme try through clicking
[22:59] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  mmmm, nope. while it launches all happily it still refuses to see the folders
[22:59] <Dr_Willis> always striks me as odd... i copy a file to my USB flash drive.. mc (or nautilus, or whatever) copys it 'fast' but then just seems to hang at the very end - aparently its saying its done. (well 99% done) befor the file actually gets copied fully
[23:00] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  see what folder? i dont get the error.
[23:00] <bluefox83> chrissey: well fsck wasn't a workable option so i decided to make a ubuntu 12.04 startup usb disk...
[23:01] <chrissey> bluefox?
[23:01] <bluefox83> yes?
[23:02] <chrissey> srry, i have to leave now
[23:02] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  OK, epsxe has folders it looks to get bios info for the ps1 as well as plugin stuff. When I launch it through terminal epsxe sees all these folders fine. When double clicking and launching it it doesn't see the needed folders and files. It launches but doesn't see the folders and files needed to run iso's
[23:02] <bluefox83> i found a usb thumb drive...i'll try chrooting in and fixing whatever the heck is wrong...
[23:02] <bluefox83> k
[23:02] <chrissey> good idea, bye
[23:02] <bluefox83> thanks for trying!
[23:02] <chrissey> youre welcome
[23:03] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  wine is setting the default C:\ and other paths depending on where its launched from perhaps? is this .exe in your .wine directory?
[23:03] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  or are you just unziping it and running whtever.exe is from the archive whever it happens to be?
[23:04] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  No siir, it's not in the .wine folder. it is in my home dir in two sub dirs. It was running fine like this untill now.
[23:04] <InFlames> my 13.04 seems to be having a dns issue, can someone help me out? i can ping ips, but not domains, however, other machines on the network can still use the web as normal
[23:05] <abaddon> Dr_Willis, I unzip it to the Emu folder I have set up for it.
[23:05] <Nasuga> InFlames: open up network manager and try setting your DNS. Try <IP_ADDRESS> which is Google's DNS
[23:05] <Nasuga> InFlames: You may need to restart for it to take effect
[23:05] <minetape> Someone know how to format a thumb stick to EXT4 in GParted/Terminal? In GParted I only get manage flags, information and something else. Everything else is greyed out
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  wine has a lot of settings where the C: and stuff go. so i would imagine thats what confuseing it.. id say time to ask about it in #wine-hq
[23:06] <minetape> Oh, unmount is the other option
[23:06] <abaddon> Like I said, when run through terminal by the command wine ePSXe.exe it sees all need folders fine.
[23:06] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  ahh, ok....
[23:06] <InFlames> nasuga, but the dns is designated at the router, right? other machines on the network can resolve domains.  in fact, i am using a laptop tethered to the ubuntu box to get internet and it can even resolve domains.
[23:06] <minetape> Format to is greyed out, how do I ungrey it?
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  when you double click - its using differnt settings which are pointing it to your .wine directory would be my guess
[23:07] <Nasuga> InFlames: Yes but sometimes it can't get the information from the router (in my experience).
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> then again. you could make a launcher that just runs  'xterm -e wine whatever.exe' in the  current directory and watch the output
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> minetape, The usb unmounted?
[23:07] <InFlames> Nasuga, so update the router's dns?
[23:07] <minetape> No, it's mounted
[23:07] <Nasuga> InFlames: not only that, my router has been modified by my ISP to only work with their DNS which is missing a few domains I visit. So I set the dns myself.
[23:07] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  was tyhinking the same thing. Which made me onder if it needed to be part of a wine grp so that wine would see it correctly
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> minetape, unmount it in gparted.
[23:08] <minetape> K
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  thers no wine group that i know of.
[23:08] <Nasuga> InFlames: You can try but I haven't had unluck without setting it myself.
[23:08] <minetape> Done
[23:08] <Nasuga> luck*
[23:08] <minetape> YAY
[23:08] <minetape> Kthxbai
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> or else all my users have had it by default. :) never messed with a wine group befor
[23:09] <InFlames> Nasuga, I am not understanding what you are suggesting, I can update the router's dns, but it's a third party Netgear.  All other machines on the network can resolve domains, even this ubuntu box as of last night
[23:09] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  well bummer. How do I get to wine-hq? Are thewith the ubuntu servers group?
[23:09] <Nasuga> InFlames: Open your network manager and change your networks settings to set your DNS manually
[23:10] <InFlames> "network manager"
[23:10] <InFlames> in the router's panel?
[23:10] <InFlames> or somewhere in ubuntu?
[23:10] <Nasuga> InFlames, on your affected box.
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> !wine
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> abaddon: trying to download the thing to test.. all these silly 'file downloader sites' want to install extra cruft :P
[23:11] <InFlames> that fixed it, wonder what the real issue was
[23:11] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  let me get you the link
[23:11] <Nasuga> InFlames: I'm not sure, I've had the problem with GNU/Linux and Windows.
[23:12] <Nasuga> InFlames: I fixed it the same way and infact someone else had the same problem earlier this afternoon
[23:12] <InFlames> thank you Nasuga, i was unaware you could set a dns on a per machine basis (makes sense, i generally leave everything with dhcp)
[23:12] <abaddon> /home/abaddon/Emulation/ePSXe1.8
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  err.. your not using a directory with a A SPACE in the name are you? that can really goof things up
[23:12] <InFlames> well thank you sir.
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  rename the directory where there no spaces.
[23:12] <Nasuga> InFlames: No problem. I wish I knew a permanent fix.
[23:12] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/psx/epsxe.html
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  spaces in shell/paths can totally mess things up
[23:12] <Nasuga> InFlames: Well, it's permanent but machine specific.
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i just noticed the package expanded into a   'EpsxE 1.8'  directory - that Space in there can cause issues
[23:13] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  no spaces
[23:13] <InFlames> yea, i'll try to remove it later and see if things have worked themselves out, probably not
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  theres goes that idea then. ;)
[23:14] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  my package expands to no folder. just dumps it in current location
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> Wow people cant make up their minds for the case of that Emulator.. the Directory is EpsxE but the binary is called ePSXe.exe  ;)
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i just got a .7z archive and used unp for it.
[23:14] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  which is why i unzip it to a folder set for it
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  wheni run it from terminal it mentions a lot of
[23:16] <abaddon> Dr_Willis, i've got both xarchiver and 7zip. should I unpack the folder via terminal?
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> Z:\\home\\willis\\Downloads\\PS1E
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> type paths.. Z:\\ is what wine defines to be your /home/username/ directory
[23:18] <abaddon> Dr_Willis, should I then type my location as z:/blah?
[23:19] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  mines h:
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> the winecfg tool sets the stuff automatically
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> I dont have an ISO or  a rom to even test the emu. ;)
[23:21] <Dr_Willis> the message is the plugins are not found.. but they are in fact at that directory
[23:22] <mertcanekiz> I downloaded some themes from gnome-look.org and I extracted and put them in /usr/share/themes folder and when I opened gnome-tweak-tool windows theme was working but GTK+ themes section was showing only the default ones. Then I put the themes into ~/.themes folder but still no luck. How can I fix this?
[23:22] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  OK OK, I fixed something. When I run my bash script through terminal it ran correctly. Now all i need is to launc it via a click
[23:23] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  It wont launch with a click. I associated the file to be open by /bin/bash
[23:24] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  but I get nothing
[23:24] <hayer> Buying a new HTPC. What graphic card should I go for? Should be as silent as possible
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  make a launcher  (whatever.desktop) file to launch the script
[23:24] <hayer> asking here since I'm gonna run ubuntu + xmbc
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> hayer:  most intel should be able to handle video playback
[23:25] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I use openbox... I don't have icons on my desktop
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> hayer:  i alwyas go 'nvidia, then intel. and run away from ati'
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  No idea what you are double clicking in then...
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  what file maanger are you using?
[23:25] <InFlames> Dr_Willis, why do you say that?
[23:25] <mertcanekiz> I downloaded some themes from gnome-look.org and I extracted and put them in /usr/share/themes folder and when I opened gnome-tweak-tool windows theme was working but GTK+ themes section was showing only the default ones. Then I put the themes into ~/.themes folder but still no luck. Doesn't anybody know what should I do?
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> InFlames:  which part?
[23:26] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  xfe Also, i'm clicking on my bash script i created
[23:26] <InFlames> ATI vs nVidia, Intel vs AMD
[23:26] <hayer> Dr_Willis: okey, so "ASUS GeForce GT 620 2GB DirectCU Silent" is a good choice?
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> mertcanekiz:  make sure they are gtk3 themes?
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> InFlames:  because thats the order they seem to work best in for me.
[23:26] <mertcanekiz> I have gtk2 installed so I downloaded gtk2 themes
[23:27] <InFlames> i've never used amd cpus to be fair...
[23:27] <reisio> never?
[23:27] <reisio> must be rich :)
[23:27] <hayer> InFlames.. you don't know pain.
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> I dont really bother with AMD cpu's these days either.  but i havent built a new pc in years
[23:27] <InFlames> well last time i owned an amd cpu was like, hmm, 10 years or more ago
[23:27] <reisio> I use what comes in the box
[23:28] <InFlames> reisio, must not build your own machines?
[23:28] <hayer> reisio what if the socket doesn't match the mb socket? >_>
[23:28] <reisio> InFlames: nope, never had the time
[23:28] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  you're killing me. I love AMD and it's currently my system build.
[23:28] <reisio> and/or money, which is time
[23:28] <InFlames> almost every machine i've ever had, i've built, even prebuilts, i always tweak them
[23:28] <reisio> maybe next time
[23:28] <InFlames> reisio, custom is more efficient on time and money...
[23:28] <reisio> InFlames: only if you have the time and money at the outset to do it
[23:29] <nevyn> depends on scale
[23:29] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i havent built one lately. and really havent seen much lately to justify going amd over intel
[23:29] <reisio> otherwise, definitely
[23:29] <InFlames> i can spec an entire machine in a week, and build it in half a day
[23:29] <reisio> that's eight days I've never had, and money
[23:29] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  XD To each their own
[23:29] <InFlames> only reason it takes more than a day is to find better prices and do actual shopping
[23:29] <reisio> right, time consuming
[23:30] <reisio> I'll get around to it
[23:30] <InFlames> you can go to a store and buy it all at once and build it all in an afternoon
[23:30] <reisio> for even more money :p
[23:30] <InFlames> but if you see the extra grand you spend as not wasting time, then you're not calculating the money and time
[23:30] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  so like I said, I use xfe for my fm and i've been clicking my bash script to try and launch the program
[23:30] <hayer> Meh, custom builds are cheaper than prebuilts
[23:30] <InFlames> hayer, exactly, and more reliable and easier to maintain and upgrade
[23:30] <reisio> time never comes back
[23:31] <reisio> hayer: if you ignore the time it takes to find everything for the right price :)
[23:31] <reisio> which is fine if you have that time, heh
[23:31] <nevyn> depends on scale.
[23:31] <InFlames> reisio, if you are paying more than 2-3 hours of your time more, then the measurement is totally off
[23:31] <reisio> ?
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  i cant even get it working in wine, any way i try to launch it. so all i can say is good luck. ;)
[23:32] <InFlames> time = money, so if it costs more money, it's required that money be made, so you're wasting your time by wasting money
[23:32] <InFlames> in other words, custom = always cheaper, better, faster
[23:32] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  did you mark it as executable?
[23:33] <reisio> InFlames: I agree, _if_ you don't count the time it takes to get from A to B :p
[23:33] <reisio> unfortunately, you should count that
[23:33] <InFlames> if it's a matter of not knowing how to do it, you could learn in a day, reisio, new egg delivers to me within 48 hours...
[23:33] <nevyn> so to spend  day building a mchine would cost 2k or so.
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  im running it from the terminal.
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> the binary runs. i try to play a iso. it hangs
[23:33] <reisio> InFlames: you just said it took you eight days
[23:34] <rebbecajohnson20> Hy guys im back ^_^
[23:34] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  just type --> wine ePSXe.exe
[23:34] <reisio> rebbecajohnson20: wb
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  yes.. and it runs.. and hangs when i try to start a actual game.
[23:34] <nevyn> specig stuff doesn't go away if you buy it
[23:34] <rebbecajohnson20> Reisio: what means wb?
[23:34] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  uhhhh... change graphics plugin
[23:34] <InFlames> i said if you want to shop around a bit, sure.  on that note, if you're crazy enough to walk into a store and just buy a prebuilt machine the first day you look at it, then yea, you are wasting such an insane amount of money that i just can't even fathom it
[23:34] <reisio> rebbecajohnson20: welcome back
[23:35] <reisio> and if you don't shop around, you spend more
[23:35] <rebbecajohnson20> Reisio: thanks :-*
[23:35] <reisio> nah, I bought a prebuilt for a great deal
[23:35] <reisio> BestBuy has to get rid of things every now and then
[23:35] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I recommend pets drivers for epsxe
[23:35] <InFlames> best buy over charges even for clearance, rofl
[23:35] <abaddon> I could just send you my setup?
[23:36] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  I could just send you my setup?
[23:36] <reisio> everybody overcharges, that's profit
[23:36] <InFlames> but this is super off-topic :x
[23:36] <savid> Where would I file a bug having to do with the bash completion file that's installed with npm?
[23:36] <InFlames> reisio, new egg prices vs best buy can sometimes be $100 difference
[23:36] <rebbecajohnson20> When will wine come to android ?
[23:36] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  besides, I just need the shell to run now through double click. XD
[23:37] <reisio> InFlames: and probably vice versa, plus you have to find them either way
[23:37] <reisio> rebbecajohnson20: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22wine%20for%20android%22
[23:37] <reisio> rebbecajohnson20: also: #android
[23:37] <S[o]let> so... what's it mean when top says that one of the processes is using 181% cpu :P
[23:37] <rebbecajohnson20> Reisio: thank you
[23:37] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  What launches bash stuff?
[23:38] <atrus> S[o]let: more than one cpu/core.
[23:38] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  It is /bin/bash, correct?
[23:38] <InFlames> reisio, never vice versa, you clearly don't know what employees pay for shit at best buy, anything rocket fish is sometimes 70% off, not kidding
[23:38] <S[o]let> atrus: its an atom n270... there's only one core
[23:38] <reisio> InFlames: doesn't matter what employees pay, it matters what I pay, vs what I pay elsewhere
[23:38] <InFlames> yea, and you pay msrp at big box stores
[23:38] <reisio> not going to go work at some place to get a better deal
[23:39] <atrus> S[o]let: hyperthreading then.
[23:39] <reisio> I pay the least amount for whatever I have the time for just like everyone else with any sense
[23:39] <S[o]let> arright
[23:39] <InFlames> reisio, i am also talking quality
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  the file manager may hae special ways to launch a shell script. I dont use that file manager so no idea what it needs.
[23:39] <reisio> if you say so
[23:39] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  could I convert the bash script to binary?
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  the first line of the .sh script defines what it needs. so all it really needs to do is get ran from a shell, or somthing like 'xterm -e pathtothe.sh'
[23:40] <InFlames> $50 hdmi that i can pck up for $4 with employee discount, you really think that cable compares to the $30 monster cable?
[23:40] <Dr_Willis> abaddon:  you dont just 'covnert a bash shell to a binary'
[23:40] <InFlames> bestbuy is horrible
[23:40] <InFlames> i mean shop where you like, just some friendly advice, buy online, avoid big box stores, avoid msrp
[23:40] <reisio> InFlames: again, it doesn't matter what employees pay, as I am not an employee
[23:40] <reisio> the comparison is meaningless
[23:41] <InFlames> it's not meaningless at all, employees only get deep discounts on poor quality merchandise
[23:41] <abaddon> Dr_Willis,  mmmm...ok. Welp, i'll keep trying. Thx mate
[23:42] <reisio> uhuh...
[23:42] <InFlames> anyhow, this conversation is meaningless
[23:42] <reisio> can say that again
[23:42] <InFlames> lol
[23:42] <iceroot_> !ot
[23:43] <InFlames> iceroot_, my thoughts.
[23:55] <rebbecajohnson20> I was banned on Ubuntu offtopic
[23:56] <IdleOne> if you want to actually discuss your ban you should join #ubuntu-ops, otherwise don't bother.
[23:57] <daftykins> rebbecajohnson20: did you have a support question nobody was helping with?