[03:53] <dabaR> BlueEagle: sure, it uses apt-get. if you were to install a package with 5 deps, and then decide you dont want the package any more, and remove it using aptitude, aptitude will remove the dependencies it installed along with it, thus kkeeoping your system cleaner.
[03:53] <sybariten> i mean, after all ... why would one need a delete key when theres a backspace key??  Why would one need two or more mouse buttons, when you can have just one?   Why would you need such things as 'choices' when our big american computer company can fix it all for you instead ?
[03:53] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: -irssi- completion_nicks_lowercase = ON
[03:53] <apokryphos> Blue-Box: ah :)
[03:53] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: you on a extended mac kb?
[03:53] <WebLOCH> I thought Sun had finally agreed to allow the JRE to be licenced for install with distributions?
[03:53] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: ...and speaking of auto completing nicks...
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Damnit!
[03:53] <f_newton> !hoary extras
[03:53] <ubotu> f_newton: Are you smoking crack?
[03:53] <Seveas> WebLOCH, nope
[03:53] <dabaR> jk-: same thing for you with apt-get. aptitude search works.
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Evil
[03:53] <f_newton> !extras
[03:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[03:53] <WebLOCH> Is there another easy way of installing ?
[03:53] <sybariten> read my lips kids - Macintosh, and all thats apple, are made for computer IDIOTS by money-greedy corporate IDIOTS
[03:53] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: not that I care about hte output-method obviously, just thought you may not know :).
[03:54] <Seveas> sybariten, language..
[03:54] <sybariten> johndarkhorse: what does extended mean in this case ?
[03:54] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: nope
[03:54] <sybariten> Seveas: yeah yeah yeah ...
[03:54] <BlueEagle> seveas: "macintosh" is considered profanity now? o.O
[03:54] <sybariten> in my vocabulary, it soon is
[03:54] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: you didn't complete that ... ;-)
[03:54] <fysa> I'm installing Hoary so I can immediatelye upgrade to Breezy (Breezy install froze at detecting partitions) -- should I reboot into Breezy as soon as it's finished?
[03:54] <Seveas> lol BlueEagle :)
[03:55] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: I didn't complete what?
[03:55] <Seveas> anyhow 4AM her
[03:55] <fysa> and just boot off of the CD?
[03:55] <dabaR> fysa: it should start breezy as soon as you are finished.
[03:55] <Seveas> here*
[03:55] <herbalchild> i need some help:(, i cant sudo..i give it the password and it errors...i can su with the same password but sudo doesent work, and if i load an application that asks for root password it errors after i give it that pass
[03:55] <dabaR> later.
[03:55] <fossa> hi. i have a dell latitude d610, and the ubuntu linux won't recognize my wireless network. it's WPA security, and the wireless card is an intel.
[03:55] <Seveas> mv /proc/self /dev/bed
[03:55] <Seveas> sleep
[03:55] <dabaR> later.
[03:55] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: "and speaking of auto completing nicks..." unless that's not mean to be a run-on to another sentence. :)
[03:55] <WebLOCH> fossa have you installed the ndiswrapper module?
[03:55] <apokryphos> s/mean/meant
[03:55] <fossa> no (unless it is installed as part of the base)
[03:55] <fysa> dabaR: I have Hoary and Breezy .ISO burned -- as soon as Hoary is done installing, should I reboot and boot off the Breezy CD?  Will it detect Hoary and upgrade automagically?  Or will I need to use synaptic and do it that way?
[03:56] <BlueEagle> apokryphos: I was refering to: 03:52 < apokryphos> Blue-Box: ah :)
[03:56] <djm62> ping
[03:56] <WebLOCH> fossa I will get you a link for the guide
[03:56] <fossa> ok
[03:56] <WebLOCH> You have to compile the ndiswrapper and load it as a module
[03:56] <djm62> editing lid.sh was a red herring
[03:56] <herbalchild> Seveas do you know how i can fix this pasword issue?
[03:56] <WebLOCH> you will also need the WinXP driver for your card
[03:56] <apokryphos> BlueEagle: hah, indeed. I'm missing the tab-autocomplete-last-nick to tell you the truth (the only feature I'm missing since left konversation).
[03:56] <sambagirl> will  MAMBO RUN under ubuntu?
[03:56] <johndarkhorse> sybariten: the key right above your "enter" key (on the far right) is the | key
[03:56] <dabaR> herbalchild: I do. you can su?
[03:57] <herbalchild> yes
[03:57] <herbalchild> i can su but no sudo
[03:57] <dabaR> so you have a root account enabled?
[03:57] <silverton> When is the kernel source for 2.6.12 going to be released?
[03:57] <djm62> the real solution was mv lid.sh lid.sh.bak&& ln -s sleep.sh lid.sh
[03:57] <WebLOCH> fossa : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[03:57] <silverton> er, put in a repository
[03:57] <WebLOCH> Go on from there
[03:57] <gamer7> how can i run winetools - PLZ help
[03:57] <concept10> sambagirl: yes
[03:57] <dabaR> sambagirl: what is MAMBO? heh
[03:57] <sambagirl> thank you concept
[03:57] <fossa> if i get on the internet via the ethernet port, is there a way i can update all this stuff with synaptic?
[03:57] <herbalchild> yea i can su, but no sudo
[03:57] <sambagirl> what is mambo? :)
[03:58] <dabaR> herbalchild: sudo uses your password, not the root one, try hat one.
[03:58] <BlueEagle> herbalchild: Are you in the admin or adm group?
[03:58] <sambagirl> i dont understand what it is
[03:58] <holycow> content managemetn system
[03:58] <silverton> um...nevermind
[03:58] <djm62> the content engine?
[03:58] <concept10> sambagirl: why ask if it will run if you dont know what it is?
[03:58] <silverton> forgot, it's linux-source   not kernel-source
[03:58] <holycow> that just went through a fork
[03:58] <holycow> and get this, they named the fork 'joomla'
[03:58] <sambagirl> i am on the website looking at it and i can download it if i want to so i was just curious
[03:58] <holycow> >_<
[03:58] <herbalchild> says in not the suedoers file incident will be reported
[03:58] <herbalchild> *im
[03:59] <WebLOCH> fossa - what stuff do you want to update?
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: I guess it depends if you are just using it for PC>PC or PC>Phone
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> lol
[03:59] <dabaR> herbalchild: are you using a hoary install?
[03:59] <djm62> sambagirl: it isn't in my package lists, but you can download and install it manually most likely
[03:59] <herbalchild> yea
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: Gizmo actually looks pretty cool. I havent seen it before
[03:59] <get_VoIP_here> Inf3ctedfx: take a look at x-lite
[03:59] <fossa> this ndis stuff
[03:59] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: If you're interested in running Linux inside Mambo, you can download the kernel patch here. ftp://ftp.linuxppc64.org/pub/people/cyeoh/mambo-linux-patches/
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> x-lite
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> ok
[03:59] <sambagirl> thank you
[03:59] <Inf3ctedfx> cuz I already have VoIP
[03:59] <dabaR> herbalchild: su, then adduser $username(your user name, dunno how much you kknow...) admin
[03:59] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: It's the first thing that pops up when you google for: mambo linux
[03:59] <dabaR> adduser herbalchild admin
[04:00] <benkong2> can I install jdk 5.0 in breezy in /opt for use with eclipse and netbeans? on breezy amd-k8
[04:00] <cevizoglu> robotgeek: are you there?
[04:00] <Inf3ctedfx> but I've been using Gizmo.. and is pretty good
[04:00] <herbalchild> kk
[04:00] <concept10> BlueEagle: Linux inside mambo? wrong link...
[04:00] <bz0b> hey all
[04:00] <WebLOCH> get_VoIP_here,  Because apt-get is clearly superior
[04:00] <dabaR> yo bz0b
[04:00] <djm62> BlueEagle: I'm pretty sure that's not the one
[04:00] <freebase`> where can i locate the apt-get server list?
[04:00] <sambagirl> is only 107kb
[04:00] <sambagirl> wow
[04:00] <WebLOCH> /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <benkong2> apt-get can install the jdk?
[04:00] <locomorto> freebase: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:00] <herbalchild> "the group "admin" doesent exist"
[04:01] <concept10> sambagirl: Thanks not the Mambo CMS
[04:01] <bz0b> hey guys, I just setup my own SIP server, and even got it working with pin numbers, and even have it setup to a phone number :-)
[04:01] <freebase`> WebLOCH, : thanks
[04:01] <apokryphos> benkong2: currently, for hoary, no.
[04:01] <WebLOCH> No problem
[04:01] <sambagirl> what means CMS?
[04:01] <WebLOCH> Content Management System usually
[04:01] <concept10> sambagirl: Content Management System
[04:01] <sambagirl> i used to know linux
[04:01] <get_VoIP_here> WebLOCH: I dont see how one or the other is superior, but what good does it do if its not in a repo?
[04:01] <pudland> hi all
[04:01] <BlueEagle> djm62: Well, I don't know what mambo is either, I just gave her the first thing google spat out. Also since she doesn't know what mambo does she probably won't know if it works or not. :)
[04:01] <sambagirl> 1.0
[04:01] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: the default admin group on ubuntu is called "root"
[04:01] <benkong2> apokryphos; i'm on breezy
[04:01] <fossa> thanks for the help. i'm going to go read all this stuff now.
[04:01] <sambagirl>  and Sco unix and xenix
[04:01] <freebase`> locomorto, thanks to you too =)
[04:01] <locomorto> Mambo pretty nice
[04:01] <dabaR> herbalchild: did you install hoary, or upgrade from warty?
[04:01] <sambagirl> ahh ok
[04:01] <locomorto> Mambo's*
[04:01] <sambagirl> i explore it
[04:01] <apokryphos> benkong2: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:02] <dabaR> herbalchild: please prepend your message to me with my nick, so I can see it.
[04:02] <WebLOCH> get_VoIP_here,  I understand what you are saying, but I feel that apt-get is much better than separate binaries
[04:02] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: Did you want the CMS called mambo?
[04:02] <benkong2> apokryphos; thanks
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, fresh install
[04:02] <concept10> I still dont understand why some one wants to download and install some app they dont know about
[04:02] <daaku> anyone using a powerbook and the appletouch trackpad driver? i cant get it to work as a synaptics device (works as normal mouse)
[04:02] <sambagirl> ahh it is a PHP mysql content management system
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, ive installed plenty of times in the past with no problems
[04:02] <sambagirl> yes
[04:02] <dabaR> herbalchild: have gnome?
[04:02] <herbalchild> dabaR, yea im on gnome now
[04:02] <concept10> sambagirl: is that what you want?
[04:02] <pudland> any good sites for promgramming
[04:02] <sambagirl> i think so
[04:03] <sambagirl> mamboserver
[04:03] <sambagirl> something like that
[04:03] <sambagirl> i am looking at it on another thingy
[04:03] <jk-> daaku: yep, i'm using appletouch
[04:03] <bz0b> jk-, what is appletouch?
[04:03] <concept10> sambagirl: are you trying to create a website?
[04:03] <sambagirl> willubuntu run on amiga?
[04:03] <sambagirl> sure all the time concept
[04:03] <jk-> bz0b: driver for touchpad on powerbooks > Jan 2005
[04:03] <ksmurf> have the w32 codec been removed from the extra repo.... I can't find them
[04:04] <bz0b> jk-, ahh
[04:04] <concept10> I smell trollllll
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> ColonelKernel: who me?
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> er
[04:04] <sambagirl> i am trying to learn something new
[04:04] <daaku> jk-: did you do anything special to get it working as a synaptics device? i compiled it, put it in /lib/modules... and loaded the module. so my trackpad works, but the synaptics driver doesnt seem to like it
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> concept10: who me?
[04:04] <apokryphos> ksmurf: yes
[04:04] <spazz> how do i install a .iso file?
[04:04] <Shadowpillar> is it too late to request a package be added to ubuntu?
[04:04] <djm62> sambagirl: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/mambo
[04:04] <ksmurf> They have been removed...K thanks
[04:04] <jk-> daaku: I'm not using the synaptics driver at all.
[04:04] <locomorto> ksmurf: you can try marillat though (some people like to say it fucks up you comp
[04:04] <WebLOCH> spazz - generally you do not install ISO files
[04:04] <jk-> you shouldn't need it.
[04:04] <sambagirl> thank you dj
[04:04] <locomorto> spazz: you burn it to a cd
[04:05] <johndarkhorse> spazz: you dont. you burn it with a cdburning tool
[04:05] <Shadowpillar> marillat is out of sync with ubuntu now
[04:05] <spazz> duh ><
[04:05] <ksmurf> locom.... k thanks
[04:05] <spazz> thanks
[04:05] <djm62> sambagirl: and if you have debian on amiga already, there's no reason not to run mambo on it.  ubuntu sticks to more...extant platforms ;)
[04:05] <daaku> jk-: ah. not using the edge scrolling or double tap features?
[04:05] <spazz> so what should i use to burn it?
[04:05] <Shadowpillar> what is mambo?
[04:05] <jk-> daaku: oh, nope.
[04:05] <spazz> does ubuntu come with one?
[04:05] <sambagirl> i love amiga operating system
[04:05] <sambagirl> i not polute it with anything
[04:06] <joseduenas_> hello
[04:06] <herbalchild>  anyone have any ideas for me? i cab su but i cannot sudo
[04:06] <WebLOCH> you sound vaguely unhinged
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> dabaR: How can I remove a package that I just install, from terminal?
[04:06] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: is your account in sudoers?
[04:06] <joseduenas_> I need a skype-like but with webcam support, do you know any?
[04:06] <djm62> herbalchild: do you have multiple users on your computer?
[04:06] <daaku> jk-: another question, are you using a US keyboard? (i'm too lazy to make a keymap & xkb)
[04:06] <Shadowpillar> I wanna get debian on a 68k machine
[04:06] <WebLOCH> Inf3ctedfx, you use apt-get remove
[04:06] <xerxas_> someone using NetworkMananger ?
[04:06] <dabaR> what is the command to run the gnome adduser gui?
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> ok
[04:06] <Inf3ctedfx> thx WebLOCH
[04:06] <herbalchild> says im not in suedoers file and no im the only user
[04:06] <sambagirl> shadow it runs on amiga
[04:06] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you use sudo aptitude remove packagename
[04:07] <sambagirl> 680x0
[04:07] <djm62> herbalchild: find and edit the sudoers file?
[04:07] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: you can su to root?
[04:07] <herbalchild> yes
[04:07] <durt> whats wrong with console adduser, dabar?
[04:07] <jk-> daaku: yep, but with F11 & F12 mapped to button2 & button3 (though i believe ubuntu does this by default)
[04:07] <WebLOCH> dabaR i know i wasnt asking
[04:07] <cevizoglu> herbalchild, su to root, then add yourself in /etc/sudoers
[04:07] <pudland> ?where can i find the source code for xmms on my pc?
[04:07] <herbalchild> kk, gonna give that a shot
[04:07] <alexandros> hello is there a way to find out what is running and on what port it is binded?
[04:07] <jk-> pudland: apt-get source xmms
[04:07] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you gave wrong answer. install and remove everything with aptitude from a terminal, it handles dependencies better,
[04:08] <djm62> herbalchild: my entry looks like "djm62   ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[04:08] <jk-> alexandros: netstat -apnA inet
[04:08] <alexandros> jk: thank you
[04:08] <djm62> alexandros: netstat is the command
[04:08] <herbalchild> hmm
[04:08] <WebLOCH> dabaR well I use apt-get because its my preference, he stated that was what he was using so I just replied with that...
[04:08] <pudland> jk-  where would it place the source?
[04:08] <jk-> (or 'netstat -apt' or tcp-only, -apu for udp)
[04:08] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: To install mambo you need Apache, MySQL and PHP (all availible in ubuntu afaik=
[04:09] <jk-> pudland: in the current dir
[04:09] <BlueEagle> )
[04:09] <pudland> jk- thanks
[04:09] <joseduenas_> I need a skype-like but with webcam support, do you know any?
[04:09] <silverton> !nvidia
[04:09] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:09] <djm62> joseduenas_: who do you need to be compatible with?
[04:09] <daaku> jk-: oh nice. could i get copies of both? if you dont mind..
[04:10] <dabaR> WebLOCH: if you tell someone to apt-get install xfce4 for example. And then after a day, they decide to remove it, and do so, they will be left with a lot of xfce4 packages on their system. if they use aptitude, they all packages installed when the xfce4 package was installed will be removed. Hence, if he wants to remove something he just installed, he should have installed it with aptitude, and removed it with it.
[04:10] <djm62> joseduenas_: gnomemeeting is compatible with netmeeting, and it looks like they're solving the issues with NAT
[04:10] <jk-> daaku: copies of what?
[04:10] <herbalchild> in sudoers i added herbalchild ALL=(ALL) ALL under root	ALL=(ALL) ALL hopefuly itll work
[04:10] <sambagirl> is mysql included in ubuntu?
[04:10] <daaku> jk-: the keymap and xkb
[04:10] <djm62> sambagirl: yes
[04:10] <silverton> is there a forum post on how to install nvidia's official drivers?
[04:11] <sambagirl> thanks dj
[04:11] <jk-> daaku: ahh, i'm just using the default maps...
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, but I need some without problems with NAT
[04:11] <herbalchild> good stuff...it works fine
[04:11] <djm62> sambagirl: to find these things, the command would be "apt-cache search mysql" for instance
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, not yet
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: do pageup/pagedown work for you?
[04:11] <pudland> jk- is gedit a compiler? thats what it opens in?
[04:11] <herbalchild> ty everyone...ive been gone for awhile...great to see the community is still good helpfull people
[04:11] <dabaR> herbalchild: it is weird you dont have the admin group, tho, in hoary.
[04:11] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: apt-cache search mysql-server yelds amongst others: mysql-server - mysql database server binaries
[04:11] <djm62> joseduenas_: who do you need to talk to?
[04:11] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: so, yes.
[04:11] <jk-> daaku: no, i haven't tried to do any of the fn-key bindings.
[04:11] <alexandros> dj2m62: thank you
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: i've got the F11,F12 working
[04:11] <joseduenas_> djm62, with another person who is also behind NAT
[04:11] <cevizoglu> herbalchild: make sure there is no "#" at the start of the line, or it won't work
[04:11] <jk-> ok then.
[04:11] <herbalchild> dabaR, yea it is...ive installed tons of times...never with that issue
[04:11] <daaku> jk-: ah. ok
[04:12] <djm62> joseduenas_: what's wrong with skype?
[04:12] <joseduenas_> djm62, I want video
[04:12] <herbalchild> ebay bought skype
[04:12] <jk-> but i have a (kernel) patch to remap the fn-key to right-control.
[04:12] <silverton> hmm...  herbalchild, you have a demonoid account?
[04:12] <herbalchild> u dont remember me silverton??
[04:12] <djm62> joseduenas_: can either of you get into the DMZ?
[04:12] <jk-> but it's a bit of a stop-gap solution :D
[04:12] <herbalchild> herbal...and ummmm magog
[04:12] <silverton> herbalchild, I didn't think there were two losers with your nick ;D
[04:12] <herbalchild> i had it out with darb like crazu
[04:13] <nomasteryoda|w> herbalchild, well then it will be banned by businesses.... ebay url is banned in some locations
[04:13] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: you will need to install it with sudo apt-get install mysql-server but that is doable. Also apache and php need to be installed.
[04:13] <herbalchild> no im the ONLY herbalchild
[04:13] <joseduenas_> djm62, no, is a student dorm (not access to router)
[04:13] <BlueEagle> sambagirl: Not sure how wellconfigured apache/php is by default, but the documentation is extensive. (php.net for example)
[04:13] <daaku> jk-: ah. i have some fn patch applied too. guess i'm gonna have to make my own xkb/keymap's
[04:13] <dabaR> BlueEagle: use aptitude:)
[04:13] <joseduenas_> djm62, if I could access I know what ports redirectr
[04:13] <silverton> I'm starting to get annoyed with  ubuntu...  prolly gonna run back to debian
[04:14] <BlueEagle> dabar: Old habits. :)
[04:14] <tritium> silverton, what's annoying you?
[04:14] <sambagirl> ok i will play RTCW then Enemy Territory and then True Combat and then watch tv :D
[04:14] <silverton> I can't install the official nvidia drivers
[04:14] <sambagirl> then i will look at documentation
[04:14] <djm62> joseduenas_: you might be able to get a more bleeding edge build of gnomemeeting with more support for rendevous/zeroconf/upnp/blah
[04:14] <tritium> silverton, sure you can
[04:14] <BlueEagle> dabar: But yes, aptitude would be "the bettery way"(tm)
[04:14] <joseduenas_> djm62, yes i know, I'll try to build a cvs version
[04:14] <silverton> it's giving me a bunch of shit about my kernel source not being installed, when I told it where it was, it started to build the nvidia module, then it said it failed to load, and that it was cause the kernel source wasn't there
[04:14] <tritium> ubotu, tell silverton about nvidia
[04:14] <silverton> and I had to smack myself in the forehead for it...
[04:15] <silverton> tritium, the official drivers, not what is packaged for ubuntu
[04:15] <_n00blar_> What's the command to make .deb package out of an rpm?
[04:15] <BlueEagle> dabar: "The better way" was already trademarked :(
[04:15] <cafuego_> Hmm. I bet having 3 files called '?' in / isn't good.
[04:15] <djm62> joseduenas_: other than that it sounds like you're out of luck: roll on IPv6
[04:15] <tritium> silverton, okay, install linux-headers-`uname -r` before you try
[04:15] <alexandros> can someone please help me I am having problem running mldonkey-server when the ui try to connect it says unable to find core
[04:15] <silverton> tritium, I did
[04:15] <joseduenas_> djm62, in my dreams... hehe
[04:16] <tritium> silverton, sounds like a problem with the source package, not with ubuntu
[04:16] <dabaR> _n00blar_: why are you doing that? where did you get the rpm, and why not install from synaptic?
[04:16] <djm62> joseduenas_: you're not in the same NAT-ed network or anything handy like that?
[04:16] <alexandros> but when I try to run the command it say it is already running
[04:16] <_n00blar_> dabaR, I got the new version of Limewire Pro and they only have rpm and zip
[04:17] <dabaR> _n00blar_: alien -i package.rpm might break your system
[04:17] <djm62> _n00blar_: use the zip...you don't need to install it
[04:17] <joseduenas_> djm62, no
[04:17] <dabaR> or use the zip yes
[04:17] <_n00blar_> djm62, dab, that should do, thanks
[04:17] <djm62> _n00blar_: keep it in your home directory, and add a shortcut to the panel to launch it, and forget about it
[04:18] <BlueEagle> djm62: Wouldn't a separat /usr/local partition be "the bettery way"(tm) so that several people can use it?
[04:18] <_n00blar_> djm62,  thanks will do
[04:18] <_n00blar_> dabaR, thanks for the tip
[04:18] <dabaR> yup
[04:19] <BlueEagle> djm62: Did you get that?
[04:19] <djm62> BlueEagle: sort of yes, on the other hand, computers are mostly personal, and it's not a lot of disk to waste
[04:20] <dabaR> and takes longer, involves sudo, and so on.
[04:20] <djm62> BlueEagle: if you have several people using it, the trick is getting them all sharing the same music library ;)
[04:20] <concept10> _n00blar_: Limewire is Java-based.  IIRC, you could unzip that download and run the runLime.sh script and it will launch
[04:20] <roxville> lol
[04:20] <roxville> but in, say, a classroom, it wouldn't be a bad idea
[04:20] <BlueEagle> djm62: That's why all my music is on mediaserver:library which is mounted as nfs on /media/music
[04:20] <_n00blar_> concept10, yeah, I'm going to try my luck and see if it uses java 1.5 instead of the one loaded by default on breeze
[04:21] <BlueEagle> that's mediaserver:musiclibrary
[04:21] <djm62> BlueEagle: on the same machine, just abstracted?
[04:21] <BlueEagle> djm62: No, got a separate media server in the hallway in a closet.
[04:21] <apokryphos> dabaR: woo, congrats. :)
[04:21] <nomad1> hey can any1 help
[04:21] <BlueEagle> nomad1: Not unless you ask a question.
[04:21] <nomad1> how do i configure boot loader from within ubuntu
[04:21] <nomad1> lol every1 says that lol
[04:22] <pepsi_> what program can i use to get a simple serial terminal?
[04:22] <nomad1> im using the 5.10 preview
[04:22] <pepsi_> minicom or something like that
[04:22] <pepsi_> ?
[04:22] <BlueEagle> nomad1: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:22] <_n00blar_> Ok, that works...using Limewire from zip and running the script will find the right version of java..1.5 that is!!
[04:22] <BlueEagle> or is it menu.1st?
[04:22] <djm62> hmmm, would actually be quite cool to have /home as nfs by default (breaking the "no services by default" rule)
[04:22] <dabaR> apokryphos: ya, its pretty cool. I will strip it a little, we will use openbox. a lab with computers that can boot off the CD and network configured with dhcp, a class of Unix newbies, from a unix class, what more can you ask for.
[04:22] <BlueEagle> it's .lst
[04:22] <djm62> pepsi_: minicom will do it
[04:22] <apokryphos> dabaR: spread the good news =)
[04:23] <nomad1> blue eagle do i do this in the terminal
[04:23] <djm62> pepsi_: just get the speed etc set right
[04:23] <BlueEagle> nomad1: yes, I don't think ALT+F2 takes sudo too well
[04:24] <dabaR> BlueEagle: console? alt+ctrl+fnum? takes sudo as well as anything else.
[04:24] <BlueEagle> God damned. I just got a deja-vu of something I dreamt about about two years ago typing just that very same thing...
[04:24] <BlueEagle> o.O
[04:24] <nomad1> lol i think i hav ot reinstall
[04:24] <apokryphos> gksudo when using alt+f2
[04:24] <nomad1> i dont recall setting a root password
[04:24] <djm62> woo, sleeping doesn't even interrupt my IRC session
[04:24] <dabaR> nomad1: there is none, it is your password.
[04:25] <BlueEagle> dabar: ALT+F2 (the default combination for the run-dialog in gnome) does not take sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:25] <dabaR> BlueEagle: aha!
[04:25] <bipolar> does anyone know what might be causing any 3D app to use almost all the cpu and make the whole system lag w/ xorg's ati driver? glxinfo shows it's configured right.
[04:25] <ksmurf> could someone pm me the good addy for debian marralet to add to my sources.list file please?
[04:25] <delltony> hi anyone know how to play 3gp files in linux?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda|w> hiya delltony
[04:25] <dabaR> ksmurf: see, I could, but why do you want that?
[04:25] <BlueEagle> bipolar: It might be due to the fact that ATi made your gfx card </flamebait>
[04:25] <delltony> hey nomasteryoda|w pm me dude
[04:26] <djm62> delltony: realplayer will do them, oddly enough
[04:26] <roxville> ksmurf sometimes marillat is just plain down. you have to try later
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: are you the guy that has that screen tutorial?
[04:26] <delltony> oh it will thats interesting to know
[04:26] <ksmurf> dabaR  .... W32codecs
[04:26] <bipolar> BlueEagle, I agree I like nvidia's better, but it's a laptop. :P
[04:26] <pc22> how do can windows network see my linux pc?
[04:26] <djm62> delltony: and helixplayer, presumably, since it's not a Real codec
[04:26] <ksmurf> which one?
[04:26] <bipolar> It's Xorg that top shows as using all the cpu
[04:26] <nomasteryoda|w> !tell pc22 about samba
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: google for marillat w32codecs, and downlaod, and sudo dpkg -i package
[04:26] <delltony> so you recommend helixplayer?
[04:26] <dabaR> ksmurf: are you in the nun?
[04:26] <BlueEagle> pc22: by "windows network" do you mean the default "file and printer sharing" system (aka smb)?
[04:27] <ksmurf> nun?
[04:27] <pc22> yes
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: You need to configure samba to share the folders you want to share.
[04:27] <dabaR> nm.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> !ubotu, samba
[04:27] <ubotu> samba is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[04:27] <ksmurf> no..... Not the gamer
[04:27] <dabaR> ksomethingelse then
[04:27] <pc22> im using dhcp, how is that?
[04:27] <djm62> delltony: helixplayer is realplayer without the proprietary bits...I bite the bullet and use realplayer  because I watch the BBC news on the net
[04:27] <dabaR> !nun
[04:27] <ubotu> dabaR: Syntax error in line 1
[04:27] <dabaR> sorry
[04:27] <nomad1> i cant find on that site wat line to edit to set the default os to boot to
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: dhcp is unrelated.
[04:27] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, dhcp is only to give IP to your system
[04:27] <anethema> how stable is breezy right now?
[04:27] <BlueEagle> pc22: First you need to install samba.
[04:27] <anethema> a month from rel
[04:27] <delltony> djm62, where you find helixplayer?
[04:28] <cevizoglu> anethema: depends on your hardware setup
[04:28] <bz0b> by anychance, does anyone know if the powerbook has a pcmcia slot?
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> anethema, i only had 4 updates this weekend... pretty good
[04:28] <nomad1> blue eagle
[04:28] <nomad1> i cant find on that site wat line to edit to set the default os to boot to
[04:28] <pc22> wont it need a static ip?
[04:28] <_n00blar_> Any of you guys installed cedega and played some windows game with it?
[04:28] <BlueEagle> pc22: sudo apt-get install samba
[04:28] <dabaR> bz0b: not afaik
[04:28] <nomasteryoda|w> bz0b, what did papa google say?
[04:28] <delltony> nm
[04:28] <nomad1> i really appreciate it if u could just help on this one
[04:28] <cevizoglu> anethema: I just upgraded to breezy this weekend, and all my hardware works, including my wireless card
[04:28] <nomad1> i was using fedora b4 this
[04:28] <djm62> delltony: first result on helixplayer on google
[04:28] <anethema> yeah i dont have a wireless card or anything
[04:28] <BlueEagle> nomad1: I don't highlight on "blue eagle" just on "blueeagle". Please use that. Also type bluee and press TAB to auto-complete the nickname.
[04:28] <nomad1> i used yum not sudo
[04:28] <anethema> nforce3 mobo, ati vid card
[04:29] <dabaR> nomad1: look at what ubotu sent you.
[04:29] <anethema> nothing fancy
[04:29] <nomad1> ok sorry
[04:29] <nomasteryoda|w> anethema, should be fine
[04:29] <delltony> nah its helix-player on here i was typing it wrong
[04:29] <dabaR> dont be sorry.
[04:29] <anethema> hm, maybe ill switch hoary to breezy in my sources.list soon
[04:29] <anethema> :)
[04:29] <BlueEagle> pc22: holla at me when you've got samba installed and we'll take the next step.
[04:29] <vader1102> well it is gettiing closer to the official release of Breezy
[04:29] <nomad1> i look up grub but it doesnt give any useful tips
[04:29] <BlueEagle> nomad1: hang on.
[04:29] <delltony> nomasteryoda|w, you gettin my pm?
[04:30] <nomad1> here are the search results
[04:30] <nomad1>    1. ComoGrub
[04:30] <nomad1>    2. GrubError18PrzyUruchamianiu
[04:30] <nomad1>    3. GrubHowto
[04:30] <nomad1>    4. HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy
[04:30] <nomad1>    5. ItalianGuidaGrub
[04:30] <nomad1>    6. forum/installation/grub
[04:30] <nomad1> sorry about the dump
[04:30] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, i opened a dialog box to you
[04:30] <dabaR> nomad1: what are you trying to get done?
[04:30] <nomad1> setting the default os to boot in grub
[04:30] <nomad1> i want it to be win xp
[04:30] <reiki> ack! :)
[04:30] <delltony> nomasteryoda|w, aren't you the one that had the v551 phone?
[04:31] <BlueEagle> nomad1: in menu.lst read what it sais after ## default num
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> er, nope
[04:31] <dabaR> ok, well, do you know how to use a terminal? you likely do since you used linux... nomad1
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> only had skype
[04:31] <Tony_L> Has anyone gotten the mouse wheel button to work in "Cruise Control" mode in Firefox?  Moving the mouse then scrolls the window. Works in Windows w/IE & Firefox...
[04:31] <enduro> ...
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, yes
[04:31] <nomad1> lol
[04:31] <nomad1> i used yum
[04:31] <reiki> Tony_L: mine works... sec... lemme confirm
[04:31] <nomad1> with fedora
[04:31] <Tony_L> Can you point me to a HOWTO or anything? I've looked all over...
[04:31] <djm62> delltony: in fact, do apt-cache search helix, it might already be in your sources
[04:31] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, did you change the option in Firefox preferences?
[04:31] <nomad1> first time with ubuntu
[04:31] <dabaR> nomad1: did you use the terminal?
[04:31] <vader1102> Tony_L, yup
[04:31] <BlueEagle> nomad1: It's just a matter of counting the number of entries in your grub boot menu and set default 4 to load the 4th entry by default (after the timeout ofcourse)
[04:31] <nomad1> ## default grub root device
[04:31] <nomad1> i believe this is it?
[04:32] <Tony_L> No, I did not -- is there a preference for this?
[04:32] <Tony_L> I iwll look...
[04:32] <djm62> BlueEagle: grub counts from zero, no?
[04:32] <pepsi_> djm62, is there anything besides minicom? i want something less fancy
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, yes
[04:32] <dabaR> you have the file open? nomad1 ?
[04:32] <djm62> pepsi_: cat?
[04:32] <nomad1> ye
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, middle click and then it works
[04:32] <delltony> if i could only find out where the gain_table.bin file is on my phone i could fix my volume issue :)
[04:32] <djm62> pepsi_: what are you trying to do?
[04:32] <pepsi_> but then how do i setup the port?
[04:32] <vader1102> Tony_L,  it did it by default on all of my Hoary installs
[04:32] <pepsi_> i just want to talk to some serial devices that im working on
[04:32] <BlueEagle> nomad1: As I said: It's just a matter of counting the number of entries in your grub boot menu and set default 4 to load the 5th entry by default (after the timeout ofcourse)
[04:32] <reiki> Tony_L, I take that back... mine is no longer working
[04:32] <pepsi_> minicom wants to think theres a modem
[04:32] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, phraking huh?
[04:32] <dabaR> nomad1: /join #flood
[04:32] <nomad1> wats that
[04:33] <djm62> pepsi_: have you googled the devices plus "linux"?  minicom doesn't insist on it being a modem
[04:33] <Tony_L> It works!! It seems to be a Firefox option..... Theank you all!!! You are great.
[04:33] <nomad1> BlueEagle, is sudo same as yum
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> Tony_L, welcome
[04:33] <delltony> helix-player doesn't play the 3gp files by the way
[04:33] <nomad1> like if i wanna install an app
[04:33] <nomad1> do i just do
[04:33] <dabaR> join #flood, nomad1
[04:33] <nomad1> sudo install
[04:33] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, sudo is like "root"
[04:33] <djm62> delltony: must be only realplayer for some reason...
[04:33] <pepsi_> djm62, they are my devices.. i am making them.. i just want a real simple terminal session via the serial port... cat would be fine, but how would i setup the port?
[04:33] <djm62> delltony: sorry, my mistake
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, do this way
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, sudo -s
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> enter password
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> apt-get update
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> apt-get install
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> and the program name
[04:34] <djm62> pepsi_: I've never done anything that low-level...you might be better off with some hand-rolled C?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda|w> or just run synaptic
[04:34] <BlueEagle> nomad1: ## default num  should be the 2nd section in menu.lst (6th line)
[04:35] <dabaR> nomad1: I suggest you read the wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:35] <delltony> any word of when the breezy backports will be available?
[04:35] <pepsi_> theres gotta be something i can use thats already made.. i just want to redirect stdin to serial TX and serial RX to stdout
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> delltony, have not heard... still using hoary here
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> hoarybackports that is
[04:35] <nomasteryoda|w> on breezy
[04:35] <dabaR> nomad1: the equivalent of yum is apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are user front-ends to apt-get
[04:35] <pc22> BlueEagle, i had this: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:35] <pc22> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:36] <nomad1> can i get yum
[04:36] <nomad1> for ubuntu
[04:36] <vader1102> This is kind of kool, I am using an older iMAC with Ubuntu, quite nice so far
[04:36] <dabaR> nomad1: you dont want it, learn the proper way.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, did you type sudo -s?
[04:36] <jk-> pc22: you have another apt-get/etc running?
[04:36] <nomad1> lol k
[04:36] <nomad1> how come ubuntu rates better than fc4
[04:36] <nomad1> wat are the reasons
[04:36] <BlueEagle> pc22: have you got synaptic open?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> nomad1, cause it is
[04:36] <cevizoglu> nomad1: rates better where?
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> better
[04:36] <dabaR> delltony: backports are versions of software from the unstable for the stable version, breezy-unstable, hoary-stable, so, that is how it has to be.
[04:36] <nomasteryoda|w> distrowatch
[04:36] <nomad1> on distrowatch.com
[04:37] <nomad1> its the nb1 distro
[04:37] <cevizoglu> nomad1: you mean it ranks higher?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda|w> Ubuntu ROCKS!
[04:37] <nomad1> ye
[04:37] <djm62> pepsi_: I think you'd be better off asking on hobbyist electronics sites...the number of them using linux is probably greater than the number of us making serial devices from chips'n'wires
[04:37] <silverton> wtf?
[04:37] <nomad1> its coming first as i said
[04:37] <silverton> nb1?
[04:37] <BlueEagle> nomad1: fc4 has got an installation that is bugged and could be fixed simply but the developers don't feel it is neccessary.
[04:37] <silverton> wtf does that mean?
[04:37] <cevizoglu> nomad1: because more people are clicking the url
[04:37] <dabaR> nomad1: it is based on nothing factual, maybe like, popularity.
[04:37] <pepsi_> djm62, i hang out in #electronics, #robotics, and ##microcontrollers ;)
[04:37] <nomad1> i found fc4 a bit messy
[04:37] <tritium> this is no surprise, folks
[04:37] <dabaR> silverton: no1
[04:37] <SPCcrow> Does anyone know how to get j2re working after you run the bin download?
[04:37] <silverton> .... ?
[04:37] <dabaR> dapper what, thoreauputic ?
[04:37] <silverton> you mean "number one" ?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda|w> thoreauputic, LOL
[04:38] <nomad1> i was hoping this would be simple
[04:38] <tritium> dabaR, breezy+1
[04:38] <silverton> sheesh...    how hard is it to fucking type it out?
[04:38] <BlueEagle> pepsi_: cat something > /dev/ttys0 would send it to the 1st serial port if I am not mistaking (which I may very well be)
[04:38] <dabaR> dapper what? whats it called?
[04:38] <tritium> silverton, please watch the language
[04:38] <nomad1> next i wanna try mandriva
[04:38] <jk-> pepsi_: you can use {g,c}kermit, but it's a little arcane...
[04:38] <nomad1> and then i pick the bist distro and keep it
[04:38] <dabaR> silverton: it is obvious you are used to #debian:)
[04:38] <djm62> BlueEagle: capital S, but I don't know if that does anything
[04:38] <silverton> I am...
[04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> silverton, substitute fsck for that word
[04:38] <apokryphos> dabaR: next version after breezy -- dapper drake.
[04:38] <silverton> tritium, sorry, I'm pissed off right now
[04:38] <dabaR> no, its not called that.
[04:38] <dabaR> is it?
[04:38] <tritium> silverton, why?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda|w> thoreauputic, LOLRMAO
[04:39] <apokryphos> dabaR: indeed it is.
[04:39] <pc22> it says it is installed
[04:39] <silverton> subwoofer is pissing me off...  inputs are fscked
[04:39] <tritium> yes, dabaR
[04:39] <silverton> and it's annoying me...
[04:39] <BlueEagle> djm62: You're right again.
[04:39] <cevizoglu> nomad1: I've tried the top 12 distros on distrowatch and think ubuntu is twice as good as any other out there, because of hardware support for powerbook and apt-get
[04:39] <dabaR> thanks.
[04:39] <pc22> BlueEagle, its done
[04:39] <apokryphos> silverton: fscked isn't much different; just use "mucked" or something. =)
[04:39] <silverton> oneo f them works...  and the other one works...    if you move it about and get it into a "sweet" spot
[04:39] <silverton> wtf?
[04:39] <silverton> wasn't I just told to use "fsck"?
[04:39] <johnnybezak> linux on ppc = the sux (imho and i'm on a mac w/ linux atm)
[04:39] <delltony> just so you know mplayer plays 3gp's i just tried it
[04:39] <dabaR> silverton: if you ask a question in a good way, you may get an answer.
[04:39] <nomad1> then ubuntu it is
[04:39] <RRubin> cevizoglu: dont forget the ideology of it too.
[04:39] <nomasteryoda|w> silverton, lol
[04:39] <BlueEagle> pc22: Ok, now go to System -> Administration -> Shared folders (might be wrong translation)
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: Then just set up the folders you want to share there.
[04:40] <djm62> delltony: cool, good to have that in the logs
[04:40] <nomad1> im ordering like 20 cd's prolly give them to ppl at my university
[04:40] <nomasteryoda|w> fsck it
[04:40] <nomad1> share the love
[04:40] <cevizoglu> RRubin: the ideology of ubuntu?
[04:40] <SPCcrow> I have a question that takes some explaning, anyone feel up to it?
[04:40] <silverton> nomasteryoda|w, we4rd
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: You might need to sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[04:40] <tritium> SPCcrow, just ask.  If someone has an answer, they'll reply
[04:40] <nomasteryoda|w> doesn't work on ubuntu... as in automatic ...i had to use Damnsmall to fsck my Ubuntu root
[04:40] <silverton> can't find my debian net inst cd either...  that's rather irritating
[04:40] <BlueEagle> pc22: and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf (or similarly named file) to set up the configuration of the server.
[04:41] <RRubin> cevizoglu: the ideology of non corporate controlled operating system
[04:41] <SPCcrow> Well, I am trying to get j2re to work to use Limewire, I downloaded the .bin and run it, now I don't know what to do next to actually get the j2re to work
[04:41] <dabaR> so vista is coming out?
[04:41] <RRubin> debian/ubuntu/slack/gentoo vs redhat
[04:41] <djm62> RRubin: that doesn't differentiate ubuntu, so much as the "it should Just Work for Normal People" attitude
[04:42] <djm62> IMO
[04:42] <nomad1> thx for the help
[04:42] <tritium> silverton, why would you not use the ubuntu packages of the nvidia drivers anyway?
[04:42] <nomad1> gonna go back to windows
[04:42] <nomad1> cya later
[04:42] <SPCcrow> djm62: i guess i am not a normal person... =)
[04:42] <concept10> what makes ubuntu different is the brown desktop, thats all...
[04:42] <RRubin> djm62: i disagree. without the ideology, an OS is just a windows wanabe
[04:42] <tritium> have fun, nomad1
[04:42] <nomad1> lol k
[04:42] <djm62> SPCcrow: ubuntu doesn't make or distribute limewire ;)
[04:42] <cevizoglu> RRubin: RRubin: or an <put your previous OS here> wannabe
[04:43] <concept10> I was just kidding - the brown is nice but I have a soft blue schema
[04:43] <SPCcrow> djm62: question isnt about limewire, its about setting up the j2re on ubuntu =)
[04:43] <djm62> RRubin: but most any linux distros aren't corporate (some more anti- than others)
[04:43] <djm62> !java
[04:43] <ubotu> java is probably to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:43] <Shadowpillar> I say screw ideology for what works
[04:43] <RRubin> cevizoglu: i'm just sayin, windows works for normal people. why go through the hassle of changing and being incompatable etc if not for the ideology of it.
[04:43] <dabaR> SPCcrow: you never installed it?
[04:43] <cevizoglu> apokryphos: my GUI is all black and purple   :)
[04:43] <djm62> SPCcrow: ah, I got the wrong end of the stick
[04:44] <SPCcrow> The java packages have been removed form the repositories
[04:44] <cevizoglu> RRubin: because I come from mac os x and hate windows   ;)
[04:44] <SPCcrow> from even
[04:44] <tritium> no, they've never been allowed in the repositories, thanks to Sun
[04:44] <silverton> tritium, a 3d game I want to play isn't rendering correctly
[04:44] <pc22> is there no automatic start for samba
[04:44] <silverton> figured the official driver would fix it
[04:44] <apokryphos> cevizoglu: nearly as bad :P
[04:44] <concept10> the java packages are still in the repo.....
[04:44] <cevizoglu> RRubin: and mac os x isn't enough to have on your resume' anymore
[04:44] <vader1102> is there a live cd for Breezy for ppc?
[04:44] <apokryphos> concept10: for hoary? Nope.
[04:45] <BlueEagle> silverton: Which game?
[04:45] <concept10> concept10@ubuntuconcept:~$ apt-cache search j2re
[04:45] <concept10> sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[04:45] <cevizoglu> vader1102, yes
[04:45] <silverton> guild wars
[04:45] <djm62> so what is the status of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java ? is it just wrong?
[04:45] <apokryphos> concept10: that just means you've got it, not that it's in a repo.
[04:45] <silverton> the ground looks fine when it first loads, then once you start moving ab00t, it turns white
[04:45] <apokryphos> djm62: it's dated, yes.
[04:45] <BlueEagle> silverton: using cedega?
[04:45] <vader1102> ok, I need to dig a little harder, cannot see it lol
[04:45] <silverton> BlueEagle, of course :P
[04:45] <RRubin> cevizoglu: mac osx is exactly my point. why go through the pain of not being a sheep running windows, if you run right into the arms of a different (less popular sure) wolf.
[04:46] <burepe> I am trying to install realplayer and it is asking me where the file I downloaded with apt-get. Can someone tell me where files downloaded with apt-get are put?
[04:46] <butch> fdrt]
[04:46] <concept10> apokryphos: its still there
[04:46] <butch> tyuytutyutyrti
[04:46] <apokryphos> butch: what are you doing?
[04:46] <dabaR> SPCcrow: tritium should one install the j2se from breezy onto hoary?
[04:46] <cevizoglu> RRubin, I like ubuntu a lot better than mac os x.  for a multitude of reasons, the most basic of which ubuntu appeals to my geek side much more
[04:46] <apokryphos> concept10: it's not, I assure you. :)
[04:46] <BlueEagle> silverton: "The most recent Guild Wars update has broken support for this game under Cedega. The developers at TransGaming Technologies are currently investigating the situation to determine the best route to fix the issue."
[04:46] <tritium> dabaR, no
[04:46] <dabaR> tritium: where from?
[04:46] <BlueEagle> silverton: Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:43 pm
[04:47] <silverton> BlueEagle, oh...   dammit
[04:47] <silverton> I hate my life >.<
[04:47] <giovann> when i was open the floppy drive, it was said unable to amount the selected volume how to fix it ?
[04:47] <BlueEagle> silverton: It's in the cedega support forums.
[04:47] <RRubin> cevizoglu: im into it for all those reasons too, but i think the ideology of it is important and overlooked a lot lately
[04:47] <BlueEagle> silverton: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3875
[04:47] <djm62> so, what is the thing for java (just to correct ubotu)?
[04:47] <ksmurf> !keys
[04:47] <ubotu> ksmurf: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> concept10: you are seeing what apt knows is on your drive - java is no longer in hoary-extras
[04:47] <RRubin> its good now, and it will be good forever because its not under some corp thumb
[04:47] <tritium> dabaR, I always suggest that you download the .bin from Sun, and then use make-jpkg (provided by java-package) to build your own .deb to install
[04:47] <concept10> apokryphos: youre correct
[04:47] <djm62> tritium: is that on a wiki?
[04:47] <salamandyr> quick question - i've have a win xp home box coming (need windows, sorry) but want to install linux - does ubuntu offer a nondestructive resize of partitions during install?
[04:48] <tritium> djm62, it always used to be
[04:48] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: yes
[04:48] <cevizoglu> RRubin: I appreciate the underlying ideology a great deal as a developer
[04:48] <dabaR> SPCcrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[04:48] <tritium> djm62, that was the preferred method
[04:48] <salamandyr> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:48] <cevizoglu> RRubin: after my experiences with apple's developer attitude in the past
[04:48] <silverton> hmm...  why is gnomebaker in the sound & music menu?
[04:49] <djm62> tritium: well, it's not what ubotu says...do you have the URL to hand?
[04:49] <dabaR> silverton: feel free to move it.
[04:49] <poningru> !dma
[04:49] <silverton> I'm just curious as to why it defaults there
[04:49] <silverton> :P
[04:49] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: ALWAYS make BACKUPS when altering partitions. This is brain surgery on your harddrive and might cause data corruption.
[04:49] <apokryphos> djm62: the wiki speaks of it
[04:49] <tritium> it's the first link, djm62
[04:49] <apokryphos> djm62: it's on the third line of text :)
[04:49] <silverton> and it's only in breezy I've noticed
[04:49] <silverton> it's in accessories in hoary
[04:49] <tritium> well, the second, I suppose
[04:50] <reiki> salamandyr, I keep a windows drive here just in case. It's not in my machine. It's in a dataport carrier. I picked up a cage and 2 carriers on eBay for a total of $5.50 US.  I figured I'd have to reboot ANYWAYS to switch OS... this seemed a cleaner solution
[04:50] <salamandyr> BlueEagle: of course; this is an emachines coming preconfig'd with winxp - it should have a restore disk, which is all i'll need for backup
[04:50] <cevizoglu> silverton: because they guessed that most people will burn music cd's from there
[04:50] <f_newton> !backports
[04:50] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:50] <salamandyr> hi reiki: actually, i;ll need to use win pretty regularily for one app
[04:50] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: Well, that and your documents ;)
[04:51] <salamandyr> BlueEagle - wont have any docs out of the box :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: emachines are known to have issues with linux, BTW, so be sure...
[04:51] <salamandyr> will repartition for MacOS X and Ubuntu before i put anything on the windows partition
[04:51] <reiki> salamandyr, ok... but you'll have to shut down and reboot to do it. The way I suggested you don't have any worries about one OS corrupting the other :)
[04:51] <Knelix> Anyone have recommendations for a decent economical graphic card?
[04:51] <dabaR> f_newton: did you get the factoids I told ubotu to send you the last time?
[04:51] <BlueEagle> salamandyr: Ahh, well then disregard my statement. :)
[04:52] <salamandyr> reiki: maybe i should repartition outside of the ubuntu installer?  using diskcommander or partition magic or something?
[04:52] <thoreauputic> salamandyr: I suggest you boot a live CD on it before buying
[04:52] <f_newton> just the site pointing to the repos but they are hollow... dont work
[04:52] <BlueEagle> reiki: Also you save the unused drive from spinning up and down unneccessarily reducing wear and tear.
[04:52] <Knelix> Someone mentioned something about open source drivers? Which cards have open-source drivers available?... Anyone have a link to info on this?
[04:52] <salamandyr> thoreauputic: ya, was going to dl a live cd
[04:52] <johndarkhorse> salamandyr: either way will be fine
[04:52] <WebLOCH> ahh nighty
[04:52] <f_newton> !java
[04:52] <ubotu> methinks java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:52] <salamandyr> k, tkx johndarkhorse
[04:52] <WebLOCH> You cant install java that way anymore
[04:52] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: good night :)
[04:52] <BlueEagle> nn apokryphos
[04:52] <WebLOCH> You have to download the binary from Sun
[04:53] <dabaR> Night apokryphos
[04:53] <tritium> using make-jpkg (provided by java-package) is the preferred method
[04:53] <ksmurf> is there still a libquicktime?
[04:53] <roxville> ksmurf, i think it's all in w32codecs now
[04:53] <giovann> when i was open my floopy disk, it was said the "Unable to amount the selected volume" wow can i fix it ?
[04:54] <WebLOCH> dabaR do you know how I might install the kernel headers?  A couple of things I am trying to install involve some compiling which requires them...
[04:54] <djm62> can I tell ubotu to point to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions then?
[04:54] <giovann> how can i fix it ?
[04:54] <ksmurf> roxville that sucks because w32 is gone
[04:54] <tritium> WebLOCH, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:54] <djm62> giovann: lsof | grep fd0
[04:54] <BlueEagle> giovann: "unable to amount" or "unable to mount" or "unable to umount"?
[04:54] <roxville> ksmurf, gone? from backports?
[04:54] <ksmurf> yes
[04:54] <giovann> unable to mount
[04:54] <salamandyr> oh - one last question re partitioning.  i will prob wait for breezybadger final (oct 13th?) to do my install... any caveats about installing on partitions above a certain block, like there used to be in early rh distros?
[04:54] <roxville> shit
[04:54] <WebLOCH> whats uname -r ?
[04:55] <nomasteryoda|w> salamandyr, no
[04:55] <giovann> djm62 what u mean by lsof ?
[04:55] <dabaR> tells you the kernel version you are using.
[04:55] <tritium> WebLOCH, try it on the command line, and you'll see
[04:55] <johndarkhorse> salamandyr: there are no problems re that
[04:55] <ryanpg> hi all... wondering if the next ubuntu release will have modular xorg?
[04:55] <cevizoglu> WebLOCH, kernel release system info
[04:55] <dabaR> WebLOCH: ^
[04:55] <locomorto|food> I'm using breezy and installed samba from the repos
[04:55] <djm62> giovann: never mind, I read it as unmount
[04:55] <salamandyr> great - tkx yall
[04:55] <giovann> lol
[04:55] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: $(uname -r) or `uname -r` expands to your kernel version
[04:55] <giovann> could u help me pls ?
[04:55] <locomorto|food> When i try to connect to my box, I get asked to input a password
[04:56] <djm62> giovann: how are you trying to mount it?
[04:56] <locomorto|food> I have tried using my username and password but that does not work
[04:56] <roxville> but ksmurf , it's gotta be in debian somewhere
[04:56] <locomorto|food> I can connect to my windows box just fine
[04:56] <giovann> how to amount ?
[04:56] <giovann> how to mount ?
[04:56] <WebLOCH> thanks guys that was helpful
[04:56] <BlueEagle> giovann: in a terminal type this: lsof|grep fd0
[04:56] <WebLOCH> Breezy may not run, but by god Hoary will ride again
[04:56] <BlueEagle> giovann: Give us the string returned if any. If you don't get anything but a new prompt then tell us that.
[04:57] <giovann> kk
[04:58] <cevizoglu> ahhh, wireless on ubuntu is like heaven
[04:58] <BlueEagle> giovann: Also, if you don't know what a command does check the man page for it before executing it. Someone might tell you to remove all files as a joke thinking that you already know what the rm command does. It is not very funny.
[04:58] <WebLOCH> ahh christ
[04:58] <WebLOCH> Why is nothing simple!
[04:58] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: language please
[04:58] <f_newton> well crap I cant get java installed... or the w32 codecs... cant find them on the repos
[04:58] <djm62> BlueEagle: you been caught with rm -rf
[04:59] <BlueEagle> djm62: I have not, but I know people who have.
[04:59] <Knelix> Anyone have recommendations in getting a video card?
[04:59] <WebLOCH> I do not consider Christ any better or worse than crap or damn
[04:59] <djm62> nasty
[04:59] <BlueEagle> djm62: Indeed.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: it isn't your opinion or mine that matters though
[04:59] <dabaR> WebLOCH: just chill
[04:59] <djm62> WebLOCH: golden rule...it means what people perceive, not what you want it to
[04:59] <WebLOCH> I was trying to say is it suitable to say either of those?
[05:00] <giovann> i type it already but nothing will happen
[05:00] <nomasteryoda|w> sweet... can we expect to see Splashy in ubuntu repos?
[05:00] <pc22> BlueEagle, smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt: whats myserver and myshare?
[05:00] <djm62> giovann: in linux, commands will say nothing if nothing's gone wrong
[05:00] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: I was just suggesting you consider what others might feel - it's a fine line, I grant you
[05:00] <f_newton> WebLOCH, the first is a very religious defamation.... for a lot of people
[05:00] <dabaR> f_newton: want help? I can get both set up for you. just have to cooperate. do you get messages from ubotu when I tell him to send them?
[05:00] <johndarkhorse> nomasteryoda|w: i thought splashy was gonna be in breezy (splash screen editor, right?)
[05:01] <djm62> giovann: if you get another prompt, and no other output, that means it's worked, probably
[05:01] <WebLOCH> f_newton yeah I realise, i was just asking
[05:01] <BlueEagle> knelix: It's been my experience that nVidia is faster to make drivers for linux than ATi. Other than that find a reputable board maker and as much video ram and the fastest board that you can afford.
[05:01] <dabaR> WebLOCH: we understand your frustration
[05:01] <nomasteryoda|w> well, let me look... since I'm running it
[05:01] <f_newton> dabaR, I have done this at least a hundred times... the repos arent giving me the apps
[05:01] <BlueEagle> pc22: Do you want to mount a file shared by a windows pc?
[05:01] <WebLOCH> haha, mainly because you guys are the ones sorting it out for me dabaR
[05:01] <dabaR> f_newton: yes, they have been removed
[05:01] <factotum> BlueEagle: as ATI buts it, they say "they should be thankfull we make the drivers we do"
[05:02] <ksmurf> could someone please post that the W32codecs and Java are gone.....  Compile from source or use "other means".  It's not the end of the world.
[05:02] <f_newton> there is no repo for them?
[05:02] <giovann> do i need to change the floppy drive ?
[05:02] <djm62> are any organisations using the remote desktop thing for support yet?
[05:02] <dabaR> f_newton: /join #dabar
[05:02] <BlueEagle> factotum: I've never heard anyone at ATi saying that, but it wouldn't suprise me if someone there did.
[05:02] <factotum> but thats one ATI devs opinion. Cant really judge from one persons opinion i suppose
[05:02] <dabaR> heh, jj, come back
[05:03] <dabaR> I invite him to come, then I kick him...lol
[05:03] <f_newton> nah... I think I'll just reload fedora on this and when I get back into town I'll take ubuntu off of all the machines in the office....
[05:03] <Knelix> BlueEagle, I just built a PC specifically so I could play around with Ubunto. I thought I could get away without a video card for a while (using integrated video instead) but then even the simple included 3D screen saver run like mollases. So, I'm not looking for something cutting edge, just decent.
[05:03] <djm62> giovann: you aren't giving us enough information...what exactly are you typing, and what output do you get?
[05:03] <f_newton> play your silly debian leet  games with someone else asshole
[05:04] <factotum> f_newton: dont bait people for help with your issures
[05:04] <dabaR> f_newton: look it was a joke:) and if you think it will be better, please go ahead.
[05:04] <factotum> issues even
[05:04] <WebLOCH> I don't suppose there are any generic solutions to make errors?
[05:04] <giovann> there is no output
[05:04] <dabaR> WebLOCH: no.
[05:04] <WebLOCH> f_newton : im about 100% sure asshole is a bigger defamation tha "christ"
[05:04] <djm62> giovann: and what exactly did you type in?
[05:04] <dabaR> WebLOCH: dont linger.
[05:04] <BlueEagle> knelix: Well, then a 2nd hand geforce2 MX 400 would suffice.
[05:05] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you can debate it on #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:05] <WebLOCH> I dont want to debate it
[05:05] <dabaR> f_newton got mad, I am sorry about that...
[05:05] <factotum> if you expect a distro to spoon feed you everything to your liking, take a hammer to your computer and save everyone including yourself the time
[05:05] <WebLOCH> Just a statement, more specifically to him than anyone else :P
[05:05] <djm62> man, I just lost all that commission because he took ubuntu off those machines ;)
[05:05] <WebLOCH> I'm only here because you generally know more than me as it is.
[05:05] <giovann> i type lsof | grep fd0
[05:05] <WebLOCH> Apparently you also know more than the fools that packaged my hardware drivers
[05:05] <nomasteryoda|w> er, so when is the dapper drake dev starting? Oct 14?
[05:06] <todd__> are there any good plugins for gnome that emulate the mac dock?
[05:06] <burepe> I am installing realplayer? What directory should I install it in? What directory are programs normally installed in?
[05:06] <djm62> giovann: that was a command to diagnose what was wrong...what did you type to mount the disk? or is that what you're asking?
[05:06] <dabaR> WebLOCH: you will learn about the IRC netiquette as you go, wikipedia explanation of an internet troll, and the ask factoid from ubotu's linked page have good examples
[05:06] <WebLOCH> burepe, /usr/bin/
[05:06] <burepe> thanks
[05:06] <thoreauputic> nomasteryoda|w: I would guess the devs would want to sober up after the party ;)
[05:06] <giovann> i try to amount
[05:06] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[05:06] <nomasteryoda|w> yea
[05:06] <pc22> BlueEagle, i want my windows pc to see my linux pc
[05:07] <WebLOCH> dabaR, I know plenty about it already, I just tend not to subscribe to a lot of the ideas, they might make for a better situation when it comes to overall discussion, but they tend to be unfair
[05:07] <dabaR> todd__: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[05:07] <giovann>  this is the output grep: amount: No such file or directory
[05:07] <giovann> grep: disk: No such file or directory
[05:07] <djm62> giovann: try typing "mount /floppy"
[05:07] <Phily> pc22: install samba
[05:07] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, you need to make sure the smb.conf file has workgroup=yourworkgroup name same as the windows box
[05:07] <Knelix> BlueEagle: then that's your official recomendation? :-)
[05:07] <djm62> mount /floppy
[05:07] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you weren't being victimised - just reminded: please, drop it
[05:07] <dabaR> WebLOCH: insight is important. like, when not to reply to something, and when to drop a topic
[05:08] <giovann> no such directory
[05:08] <WebLOCH> precisely...
[05:08] <dabaR> djm62: its likely /dev/fd0
[05:08] <narg> Anyone else noticed that the newest breezy update renders breezy unbootable?
[05:08] <WebLOCH> Do you know where I can lookup Make errors?
[05:08] <todd__> dabaR: thanks!!
[05:08] <dabaR> WebLOCH: what are you making?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, not here.. i hope
[05:09] <WebLOCH> Its meant to be my soundcard drivers, which came with motherboard CD
[05:09] <djm62> dabaR: if the symlink was already there, that would have done it...I don't have a floppy drive, sadly...do you?
[05:09] <dabaR> djm62: happens there is one:))
[05:09] <WebLOCH> It comes with linux drivers and installation instructions, im following them, but when i try to make I get a bunch of errors
[05:09] <pc22> i have samba installed. how do i  put a workgroup in smb.conf
[05:09] <dabaR> djm62: never used prolly
[05:09] <Knelix> I was hoping to get something with a TV out...
[05:09] <narg> nomasteryoda|w: kernel panics, and freezes trying to killy init. If possible, to be safe you might want to wait another day to boot :p (might not affect you, might though :p)
[05:09] <dabaR> WebLOCH: this is a call for....the pastebin.
[05:09] <WebLOCH> haha
[05:09] <dozer> anyone know why I get invalid driver! from ndiswrapper when it says theres nothing installed - or how to uninstall the bcmwl5.inf (or really whats going on) thanks for ANY help
[05:09] <orangey> I'm having a kde problem.. everytime i start any (KDE) application, kmail also starts! Any ideas how I could troubleshoot this?
[05:10] <Knelix> I'm having trouble finding a monitor... maybe I could use a TV for a while... :-)
[05:10] <vader1102> WebLOCH,  are you trying withing the "sudo"?
[05:10] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, i will wait... it's a laptop and Ubuntu handles the standby just peachy
[05:10] <dabaR> orangey: asked #kubuntu?
[05:10] <WebLOCH> vader1102,  yeah
[05:10] <giovann> mount: can't find /floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:10] <factotum> sorry, i just use a WM, no DE
[05:10] <vader1102> k, beyond my scope then
[05:10] <orangey> dabaR: not yet.. but the numbers here are more encouraging : )
[05:10] <orangey> dabaR: asked : )
[05:10] <WebLOCH> !pastebin
[05:10] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:10] <nomasteryoda|w> giovann, did you do .. mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy?
[05:11] <Knelix> orangey: Well, obviously if you're starting any other app, kmail should also be running... I mean what kind of insult is that to kmail not to have it running to to run other apps.. have some decency...
[05:11] <bartelt>  problem with ltsp thin client boot after new install: /init: 64: syntax error: 0x, help?
[05:11] <johnnybezak> orangey: sudo apt-get remove kde ? :) (jk)
[05:12] <nootrope> Will HH run on a Pentium II?
[05:12] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w,  i have samba installed. how do i  put a workgroup in smb.conf
[05:12] <WebLOCH> dabaR, here is the end of the output, it seems okay up till then... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2330
[05:12] <orangey> Knelix: : )
[05:12] <djm62> giovann: to get some information, do "grep fd /etc/fstab"
[05:12] <bob2> WebLOCH: the code is broken
[05:12] <Knelix> :-P
[05:12] <factotum> nootrope: i have HH running on a pentium MMX with fluxbox, walk in the park
[05:12] <thoreauputic> nootrope: it will, but you have to do some gymnastics :)
[05:12] <dabaR> nootrope: yes.
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: also, that's an old version of alsa; why are you compiling it at all?
[05:13] <djm62> giovann: if that doesn't give a result, then you have to type a longer command
[05:13] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt: whats myserver and myshare?
[05:13] <WebLOCH> bob2, its just what came bundled with my soundcard driver
[05:13] <WebLOCH> its part of the "installation"
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: then throw it away
[05:13] <giovann> okey
[05:13] <WebLOCH> bob2, if you would care to guide me thru installing my driver I shall do so gladly
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: ubuntu includes a newer version of alsa than that anyway
[05:13] <factotum> i just use dillo for a web browser and term apps whenever possible
[05:13] <todd__> dabaR, but do you know where the dock plugin in that screen is from?  i know of the theme at gnome-look but where is the download for that plugin located?
[05:13] <bob2> WebLOCH: and the chipset is...?
[05:13] <djm62> giovann: what did you get from that command?
[05:13] <hussam> If I adjust the Date and time from inside KDE, do I need to reboot?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, you trying to mount a winows share from linux or linux smb share from windows?
[05:14] <dabaR> nootrope: you likely do not want to use gnome, but openbox, or so.
[05:14] <nomasteryoda|w> i thouught it was second choie
[05:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, realtek not sure how to check for a specific version
[05:14] <nootrope> thanks. I keep getting a CXritical temperature reached 127 C. and it shuts down. i have a bigass fan on the open box and it still gives that error. any idea if this is an MMX probelm?
[05:14] <nomasteryoda|w> choice
[05:14] <bob2> WebLOCH: which has drivers inluded in ubuntu already
[05:14] <bob2> nootrope: no, it's not a problem to do with your processor's ability to run mmx instructions
[05:14] <dabaR> todd__: no, I dont happen to know. there are instructions on that page, and it is a good starting point, I just happened to stumble across that in the channel.
[05:14] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, i want to share my linux to windows
[05:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, Realtek ALC880/882 Audio Driver V<IP_ADDRESS>25
[05:14] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you need to install anything at all?
[05:14] <factotum> although it runs fine, i plan on running FreeBSD on it when i have the chance...*ducks down*
[05:14] <pc22> specially for printing
[05:15] <bob2> unles crimsun told you to, I'd assume you don't
[05:15] <WebLOCH> No sound plays
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, ok so that is what I thought
[05:15] <WebLOCH> and last time I installed ubuntu I needed to set up manually
[05:15] <WebLOCH> although it was a different system, it was realtek again
[05:15] <todd__> dabaR, ok, thanks!
[05:15] <dozer> anyone know any good sites on ndiswrapper that will actually tell me how to install it without 900 problems?
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, example here... http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec284.html
[05:15] <djm62> !ndiswrapper
[05:15] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:15] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you need to set it up manually?
[05:15] <pc22> i want also my other linux pc to print on my printer
[05:15] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, because i had to last time
[05:16] <nootrope> bob23: so the critical temperature reached error may be an artifact because the innards don't feel hot at all
[05:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: why do you think you needed to?
[05:16] <dabaR> dozer: problems are good, make you learn.
[05:16] <bob2> nootrope: I don't know, but it's certainly unrelated to "MMX"
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, I assume I am missing your point
[05:16] <bob2> I'd think at 127C things would be burning
[05:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, or you are a bot...
[05:16] <dabaR> WebLOCH: he is not;
[05:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: I don't understand why you thought you needed to compile anythign there, either
[05:16] <nootrope> bob2 and otheres: thanks!
[05:17] <DaaJeH> Hello
[05:17] <WebLOCH> I know thats why it was funny
[05:17] <dozer> do make me learn but after 3 weeks of no wireless and having to sit 4 foot from the router WinXP looks better and better
[05:17] <dabaR> yo DaaJeH
[05:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, I cannot play back any sound
[05:17] <cevizoglu> dozer, if you've got some spare change for a different wireless card, the prism drivers make life easy
[05:17] <DaaJeH> DabaR,howdy
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: which is not a very specific problem, and very open to trouble shooting
[05:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, I was following the linux driver install guide from my motherboard
[05:17] <factotum> the pentium mmx i was talking about is basicly a pentium 1 more or less, runs at 166 mHz
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: for instance, is there a sound driver loaded for your card?
[05:17] <cevizoglu> dozer, http://prism54.org
[05:17] <bob2> WebLOCH: that guide is almost certainly wrong
[05:18] <DaaJeH> How do you enable the root account?
[05:18] <bob2> WebLOCH: so, put up your /var/log/dmesg somehwere, to start
[05:18] <WebLOCH> hmm okay
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: the installer explained it to you, as does the FAQ
[05:18] <WebLOCH> you mean like pastebin ?
[05:18] <dabaR> ys, that is what he meant.
[05:18] <DaaJeH> becasue by default its disables
[05:18] <cevizoglu> DaaJeH, are you sure you don't want sudo -s  ?
[05:18] <bob2> WebLOCH: anywhere on line
[05:18] <poningru> guys I had another suggestion for dapper
[05:18] <dozer> well my laptop has it built in and would love to get it running with that - i have read stories of it running and know its possible with ndiswrapper - I even got it installed for once  its running   its just not seeing the drivers   in RIGHT there, ya know soo close but no dice   just lookin for that one last tip to get it fired up and forget about windows
[05:18] <bob2> DaaJeH: yes, the installer explaiend that to you, as did the FAQ
[05:18] <poningru> do we have some sort of explainer thing after the installer
[05:19] <poningru> some sort of walk through thing
[05:19] <thoreauputic> !tell DaaJeH about root
[05:19] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, i have it working here on ubuntu
[05:19] <durt> dozer, you said its running, whats the problem?
[05:19] <dabaR> poningru: talk to the mailing list, I think. we dont have much to do with the process.
[05:19] <DaaJeH> Thank you all
[05:19] <nomasteryoda|w> but when a kernel update happens, you must uninstall the ndiswrapper loaded driver and install again
[05:19] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, is there no graphical solution to this? im a beginner
[05:20] <durt> no you dont yoda
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, make sure it matches on versioin too
[05:20] <dozer> ndiswrapper is installed and working   it just says the file is not installed but then it says its an invalid driver when I go to run it    then it wont let me uninstall it because it says theres nothing there
[05:20] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2331
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, yes
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, swat
[05:20] <djm62> !ndiswrapper
[05:20] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wirless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[05:20] <bob2> nomasteryoda|w: no, the ndiswrapper module in ubuntu gets updated with the rest of your kernel
[05:20] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, where is that?
[05:20] <cevizoglu> dozer, it won't uninstall because it never did
[05:20] <nomasteryoda|w> well, that is true, but the actual driver from windows seems to hang on this delll
[05:20] <cevizoglu> dozer, sounds like ndiswrapper won't support your card
[05:20] <bob2> WebLOCH: sudo modprobe snd_i8x0
[05:20] <dozer> well its listing it as installed and i dont want to gunk up this install with 10 different drivers
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> ... removed using ndiswrapper -e and ndiswrapper -i to install again
[05:21] <bob2> WebLOCH: then put the output of "dmesg" on a pastebin again
[05:21] <cevizoglu> dozer, does the fcc id match exactly?
[05:21] <bob2> dozer: what NIC is it?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> have confirmed that behavior 3 times
[05:21] <dozer> it does support it I just cant get the right drivers from broadcom because they are nazi bastards and wanna make me kill my self over wirless internet
[05:21] <WebLOCH> bob2, FATAL: Module snd_i8x0 not found.
[05:21] <dabaR> dozer: life is good.
[05:21] <dozer> whats the command to find the NIC again?  still new to the commands for a little bit
[05:21] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, yes you can...
[05:22] <dabaR> dozer: I own a iBook, what should I say?
[05:22] <bob2> WebLOCH: er, snd_intel8x0, oops
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, what brand laptop?
[05:22] <WebLOCH> hah okay
[05:22] <WebLOCH> haha*
[05:22] <bob2> dozer: lspci perhaps
[05:22] <dozer> ZD7000 pavilion  HP
[05:22] <bob2> dozer: oh, it's broadcom?
[05:22] <dozer> yuppers
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, i'll be it needs bcmwl5a.in
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> f
[05:22] <nomasteryoda|w> ver 2 or 3?
[05:23] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2332
[05:23] <cevizoglu> dozer, broadcom failed miserably for my powerbook.  I'm using a prism chipset wireless by netgear
[05:23] <dozer> l5a - because im trying to use l5.inf  not "a"
[05:23] <dabaR> cevizoglu: inside the 'book?
[05:23] <nomasteryoda|w> dozer, what version of the card?... ver 2 or ver 3?
[05:23] <cevizoglu> dabaR, pcmcia
[05:24] <dozer> are all the bcmwl5a.inf files all the same or are there different files of the same name?
[05:24] <johndarkhorse> broadcoms are wasted with linux
[05:24] <bob2> WebLOCH: that' from the command "dmesg", or the file?
[05:24] <dabaR> cevizoglu: how, tehre is a slot?
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, true
[05:24] <WebLOCH> file sorry
[05:24] <bob2> WebLOCH: the command is what we need
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, but they do work... at least
[05:24] <dozer> if you know where I could find the version of the card I would do so thew a command or any way threw linux?   like i said still new
[05:24] <cevizoglu> dabaR, yes
[05:24] <johndarkhorse> nomasteryoda|w: i have a ppc, i've never gotten it to work
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, did you try swat?
[05:24] <bob2> dozer: getting the driver from your windows partition is probably simplest
[05:24] <nomasteryoda|w> johndarkhorse, yea
[05:25] <nomasteryoda|w> but wine will work
[05:25] <dozer> well i downloaded like 6 different files that were supposed to have it - not sure where to get the drivers from windows
[05:25] <cevizoglu> dabaR, on my 15" powerbook, there's a pcmcia slot on the left side
[05:25] <nomasteryoda|w> and extract the file for you then the process will crash...but driver will sit in the /home/user/.wine/C/temp folder ...
[05:25] <dabaR> got it, thanks...
[05:25] <dabaR> dozer: lspci lists hardware in a terminal
[05:25] <bob2> dozer: so, look on your windows disk for the .inf file
[05:26] <WebLOCH> bob2,  is tghere an easy way to copy terminal output ?
[05:26] <kevogod> If you completely remove a package, is there any way to get it to appear in Synaptic again?
[05:26] <dozer> says bash: lspci: command not found
[05:26] <tritium> kevogod, it doesn't disappear.
[05:26] <dabaR> WebLOCH: how easy? ctrl+shift+c
[05:26] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[05:27] <narg> dozer: need to use as root or add /sbin and/or /usr/sbin to path
[05:27] <WebLOCH> didnt know
[05:27] <kevogod> tritium, Well, then are the Sun JRE and SDK packages gone then?
[05:27] <dabaR> WebLOCH: the menu tells you.
[05:27] <tritium> kevogod, yes
[05:27] <Blunted> Hello everyone
[05:27] <giovann> nothing will happen
[05:27] <narg> Is there any way to check what packages are installed in an installation on another partition?
[05:27] <WebLOCH> dabaR it didnt work
[05:28] <dozer> lspci still doenst show under root and /usr/sbin
[05:28] <fysa> boo.  Breezy doesn't come with JFS?
[05:28] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, you mean like in suse or another ubuntu?
[05:28] <Blunted> I hope this isnt too much to ask of anyone but i was having an issue with my webcam in linux. Im woundering what i can type in the console to kill the device
[05:28] <djm62> giovann: what was the output from the command I told you? "grep fd /etc/fstab" ?
[05:28] <fysa> FATAL: Module jfs not found.
[05:28] <Blunted> i want to turn the device off
[05:28] <Blunted> or kill it
[05:28] <Versed> since this is sorta on topic, is it easier to set a 802.11b card then g?
[05:28] <giovann> dj no output
[05:28] <narg> nomasteryoda|w: Im in hoary and I mounted the root of a breezy.
[05:28] <dabaR> WebLOCH: well, what exactly are you trying to do? if you highlight desired text, and press that key combination, text will be copied
[05:29] <WebLOCH> i wanted to copy a LOT of terminal output
[05:29] <narg> dozer: try /bin/lspci
[05:29] <WebLOCH> immediately
[05:29] <Blunted> anyone know how i can kill /dev/video1
[05:29] <djm62> giovann: ok, and what about "mount | grep mnt"?
[05:29] <WebLOCH> I was wondeirng if i could use CAT for example to output a file
[05:29] <nomasteryoda|w> narg, then you should be able to look at the synaptic for that install if you chroot'd it
[05:29] <Versed> because with my g4 450, ubuntu automatically set up and installed the airport card and was up and running right after install and reboot.
[05:29] <dabaR> Blunted: disconnect the camera.
[05:29] <giovann> its not mount also
[05:29] <adamh> I want to put a "sleep 5" (or so) somewhere in the boot process (initrd) between when sd-mod is modprobed and when udevstart is called. How can I do that?
[05:29] <dozer> no such file or directory
[05:29] <Blunted> yes i have disconnected the camera
[05:29] <narg> dozer: try apt-get install lspci :)
[05:29] <Blunted> my problems with VMWARE saying it is in use
[05:29] <daloydoy> good day everyone
[05:30] <ManuelJ> hi, i have a question why isnot evince in the menu?
[05:30] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, where can i find swat?
[05:30] <hosler> Im running fluxbox. Is there a way to get usb devices to still mount automaticaly?
[05:30] <fysa> I'm stuck.  I installed Hoary and used JFS as the rootfs.  Now I upgraded to Breezy and JFS isn't part of the kernel.
[05:30] <dozer> installing...
[05:30] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2333
[05:30] <dabaR> hosler: run gnome-volume-manager
[05:30] <djm62> giovann: you mean you get no output from that?
[05:30] <null> i have sound blaster 5.1 channels, where i configure for that in ubuntu?
[05:30] <kevogod> tritium, Are there any repositories that have Sun's packages for Hoary?
[05:30] <hosler> dabaR: run that command at startup?
[05:30] <dozer> wow still no dice after the install   i dont think its supposed to work on this computer just drive me insane
[05:30] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, try synaptic
[05:31] <dabaR> ManuelJ: what menu? did you install evince?
[05:31] <adamh> ManuelJ: Because GNOME is meant to be document-based, not application-based. You don't create documents with Evince, so the only appropriate way to invoke it is by double-clicking on a file.
[05:31] <daloydoy> im a newbie... how can i get back to user permission... i have change users settings in user&group now I can't go to Administration>>>
[05:31] <disasm> fysa: i'd say your probly going to have to boot off a live cd, chroot, and either install a kernel with jfs in it, or compile one using kernel-package
[05:31] <tritium> kevogod, not for hoary.  Download Sun's .bin, and use make-jpkg (provided by java-package) to build your own
[05:31] <dabaR> hosler: be creative, that is the gnome-volume-manager, that automounts drives
[05:31] <djm62> giovann: in that case, type "sudo mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt"
[05:31] <ManuelJ> adamh, and dabaR thanks a lot
[05:31] <a-l-p-h-a> What's a nice and easy to use SFTP client?
[05:32] <hosler> dabaR: does it have a configuration file? I want to change the file browser to something else.
[05:32] <kevogod> tritium, alright, thanks
[05:32] <giovann> djm62 mount | grep mnt not outpud also
[05:32] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: why did you change the user&group settings?
[05:32] <giovann> okey
[05:32] <dabaR> hosler: who has the conf file?
[05:32] <tritium> kevogod, there will be blackdown's java in multiverse in breezy
[05:32] <djm62> a-l-p-h-a: integrated into nautilus: Places->Connect to Server
[05:32] <giovann> they want my password djm62
[05:32] <djm62> giovann: so give it :)
[05:33] <giovann> ya i give it already
[05:33] <daloydoy> have created a new account... user only not root... but i have accidentally unchecked execute admin tasks in my account...
[05:33] <giovann> what next ?
[05:33] <daloydoy> have changed the root in CLI but to no avail...
[05:33] <djm62> giovann: no output? then it's mounted
[05:33] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: have created a new account... user only not root... but i have accidentally unchecked execute admin tasks in my account...
[05:33] <dabaR> daloydoy: so you have no access to that user any more?
[05:33] <a-l-p-h-a> djm62, uh? how do I get SFTP? via ssh? but there's no password section.
[05:33] <bob2> WebLOCH: what did modprobe say?
[05:33] <bob2> WebLOCH: also, your disk is having issues
[05:33] <giovann> i try to open my floopy disk now ?
[05:34] <WebLOCH> modprobe didnt say anything if i recall
[05:34] <disasm> daloydoy: only option i can think of is if no users have sudo priveleges, you may have to boot off a live cd, chroot in as root, and add the user via the cli in a chroot
[05:34] <WebLOCH> what do you mean by that bob2?
[05:34] <djm62> giovann: if you go to /mnt, you can see the files on your disk
[05:34] <giovann> ok
[05:34] <daloydoy> i can still access the same desktop but have problems in administrative tasks like change network, etc...
[05:34] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: the admin group is the sudoers permission group - do you have another account with sudo or root access?
[05:34] <bob2> WebLOCH: oh, hda is your cd drive
[05:34] <djm62> giovann: tell me if that's ok
[05:34] <dabaR> bob2: is mine? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2334
[05:34] <daloydoy> no other...
[05:34] <djm62> (so I can sleep)
[05:34] <bur[n] er> that was f'd up
[05:34] <giovann> bash: /mnt: is a directory
[05:34] <dabaR> disasm: also, rebootin in safe mode works too.
[05:35] <bur[n] er> my pw was changed
[05:35] <bur[n] er> doh... wrong chan ;)
[05:35] <fysa> how the hell does Breezy kernel not have jfs?
[05:35] <factotum> hmmm... wonder if there is a .tcl for a bot to freak out and start throwing people to the wolves...sorry, random thought
[05:35] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: no other except me
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: then you will have to boot in recovery mode and run visudo as root
[05:35] <tritium> fysa, it does
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: see above
[05:35] <djm62> a-l-p-h-a: it'll ask you for a password (and if you want to store it on gnome-keyring)
[05:35] <fysa> I just upgraded from Hoary to Breezy.  Hoary worked fine with rootfs as jfs..
[05:35] <disasm> dabaR: you don't have to put the root pw in to get into single user mode? didn't know that
[05:35] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: red man sudoers, reboot in recovery mode and run the visudo command
[05:35] <fysa> after the upgrade, I get module jfs not loaded.
[05:36] <dabaR> disasm: try it one of these days
[05:36] <thoreauputic> s/red/read
[05:36] <WebLOCH> bob2, just tried modprobe again didnt say anything
[05:36] <giovann> djm62 it not yet okey
[05:36] <tritium> fysa, I'm on breezy, and have a jfs module
[05:36] <bob2> WebLOCH: odd
[05:36] <djm62> giovann: if you type "ls /mnt" what do you get?
[05:36] <disasm> dabaR: i have mine set though, so it probably would ask me i'm guessing
[05:36] <giovann> wait
[05:36] <RRubin> is there a tutorial somewhere of building using deb source files?
[05:36] <giovann> djm62 this one winrouteprov4.2.5keymakerror.zip
[05:37] <sono> Hello friends.  Anyone knows if FGLRX AMD64 drivers and modules are working at Breezy by now?
[05:37] <djm62> giovann: that is the file that was on your disk, I'm guessing :)
[05:37] <hosler> dabaR: how do I change the file browser from nautilus to rox in gnome-volume-manager. There is no option in its configuration utility.
[05:37] <locomorto|food> sono: You can always make your own
[05:37] <fysa> trit: 2.6.12-8? (amd64)
[05:37] <fysa> weird.
[05:37] <dabaR> hosler: no idea. I dont think that is where you would change it tho.
[05:37] <sono> they are not compiling either locomorto
[05:38] <tritium> fysa, 2.6.12-8-686
[05:38] <hosler> ok
[05:38] <fysa> after rebooting a few times it worked.
[05:38] <WebLOCH> bob2, are you thinking or have you concluded your assistance?
[05:38] <fysa> oh, wait.
[05:38] <fysa> nevermind.
[05:38] <giovann> then what should i do ?
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: remove any instance of fglrx.ko
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: and install kernel headers and source
[05:38] <fysa> After saying FATAL: Module jfs not found.  it says.. Mounting /dev/hda3 on /root failed: No such device.
[05:38] <djm62> giovann: /mnt is your floppy disk for now, you can save things to it and all that.  When you're finished using it, save your files, quit the programs, and type "sudo umount /mnt"
[05:38] <hosler> How can I change gnomes default file browser from nautilus to rox? For example I want rox to show the files of my usbdisk when I plug it in and not nautilus.
[05:38] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: when modprobe says nothing, it has succeeded
[05:38] <locomorto|food> sono: then you sould be able to build without problem
[05:38] <fysa> I think I need jfs compiled into the kernel?
[05:39] <BlueEagle> fysa: is your root filesystem jfs?
[05:39] <fysa> yes.
[05:39] <johnnybezak> whats jfs?
[05:39] <giovann> the problem is i don't know how to mount
[05:39] <WebLOCH> thoreauputic, I know, but I was asking if he had further information or if that was the end, seeing as he was offering to help get sound sorted
[05:39] <djm62> giovann: you have mounted it
[05:39] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: thank you very much
[05:39] <BlueEagle> fysa: Then you would probably need to roll your own kernel as the root filesystem cannot be a module but needs to be in the kernel as far as i can remember.
[05:39] <djm62> giovann: /dev/fd0 is mounted on /mnt
[05:39] <sono> ok locomorto thx, the problem is that breezy's driver and modules, just don't start X, reporting missing GLcore set of symbols
[05:39] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: if the modprobe succeeded, have you retried sound?
[05:39] <nybble> hey peeps
[05:39] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: i will try...
[05:40] <daloydoy> thoreauputic: salamat...
[05:40] <nybble> hmm...anyone know how i can stop eth0 and eth1 from connecting at bootup?
[05:40] <WebLOCH> you mean retried playing something?  If so then yes I have
[05:40] <giovann> i need to quit the program right now ?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> daloydoy: good luck :)
[05:40] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: no good?
[05:40] <adamh> nybble: Just once, or every boot?
[05:40] <WebLOCH> nope
[05:40] <djm62> giovann: no, take your time, use /mnt like a normal bit of disk space
[05:40] <WebLOCH> ive tried totem
[05:40] <WebLOCH> and xmms
[05:40] <BlueEagle> fysa: Either that or you need to choose another filesystem for your root.
[05:40] <fysa> BlueEagle: Exactly the problem.  It worked fine with Hoary. :P
[05:40] <nybble> adamh: every reboot... i have no need half the time
[05:40] <adamh> nybble: Every boot: remove the "auto" lines from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:40] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: and all channels are unmuted in alsamixer?
[05:40] <fysa> Hoary let me make jfs as the rootfs.
[05:40] <nybble> ah ok
[05:40] <fysa> When I upgraded to Breezy (popped CD in) ..
[05:40] <nybble> thx adamh
[05:40] <WebLOCH> havent checked it yet
[05:41] <adamh> nybble: np :)
[05:41] <giovann> bash: /dev/fd0: Permission denied
[05:41] <fysa> it didn't bother checking.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: check it then - often that's the problem
[05:41] <WebLOCH> thoreauputic, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:41] <BlueEagle> fysa: Well, it would appear that the kernel shipped with breezy hasn't got jfs buildt in then. :)
[05:41] <djm62> giovann: what was that the output from?
[05:41] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, installed now. where can i find it?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: Ok you have a problem still, evidently :(
[05:41] <nomasteryoda|w> http://localhost:901
[05:41] <fysa> haha.  exactly. :)
[05:41] <giovann> when i was type the /dev/fd0
[05:41] <giovann> that was the output
[05:42] <fysa> Now I'm at a loss though.
[05:42] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: if you are around when crimsun is here, he might be able to help
[05:42] <fysa> I think I have to reinstall all over with Hoary again? :(
[05:42] <WebLOCH> ahh okay
[05:42] <djm62> giovann: what are you trying to do, if you don't mind me asking?
[05:42] <nybble> oh, adamh, how might i disable ntpupdate on startup?
[05:42] <BlueEagle> fysa: I think chroot is on the breezy install cd
[05:42] <WebLOCH> do you know when he might be around?  I am on UK time so sleep is well overdue
[05:42] <giovann> im trying to mount the floppy
[05:42] <crimsun> fysa: generate a new initramfs with the jfs module included.
[05:42] <djm62> giovann: the floppy is mounted
[05:42] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: umm.. here he is
[05:42] <BlueEagle> fysa: just boot the breezy install cd and hit ALT+F2 when the install app has started. Mount the root filesystem and chroot into it.
[05:42] <nomasteryoda|w> WebLOCH, that's like what 4am?
[05:42] <giovann> its already mounted ?
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: yes
[05:43] <fysa> I'll see if I can chroot.
[05:43] <WebLOCH> gaga
[05:43] <WebLOCH> haha*
[05:43] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, were u talking to me? http://localhost:901
[05:43] <giovann> what is the next ?
[05:43] <WebLOCH> its about 4.45
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, yes
[05:43] <adamh> nybble: Erm.... update-rc.d ntpdate remove
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: when you typed "mount -o user,rw -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt" you mounted it
[05:43] <BlueEagle> fysa: ofcourse it would help if you had the kernel sources so you might want to run the installer to the point where you have detected ip adress from the dhcp server (if applicable)
[05:43] <adamh> nybble: maybe with a "-f" for good measure :)
[05:43] <BlueEagle> and then copy /etc/resolv.conf to /ubuntu/etc
[05:43] <pc22> nomasteryoda|w, not connection was refused
[05:43] <djm62> giovann: now when you want to put things on and off the disk, you use the directory /mnt
[05:43] <nybble> worked
[05:43] <nybble> thx
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, guessing swat is not running
[05:44] <WebLOCH> hey crimsun, do you fancy giving me a hand with my audiowoe?
[05:44] <BlueEagle> ...provided you mount your ubunto root on /ubuntu ofcourse.
[05:44] <djm62> giovann: and when you're finished using the disk, you type "sudo umount /mnt"
[05:44] <pc22> how do i start it
[05:44] <durt> how can i get the lpr command to stop adding a top margin to my documents when i print?
[05:44] <fysa> unfortunately, Breezy installer won't go beyond detecting partitions for me (hence why I needed to go Hoary->Breezy)
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: The only way that will not work is if the install cd doesn't know what jfs is. :p
[05:44] <Plazma> ubuntu is the greatest linux distro ever!
[05:44] <djm62> and take the disk out
[05:44] <todd__> anyone recommend a good dock plugin for gnome like the bottom dock in mac osx?
[05:44] <caloy> asdas
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: Did you check the md5 sum of the iso?
[05:44] <djm62> giovann: floppies are kind of annoying...I can't recommend USB keys enough ;)
[05:44] <BlueEagle> fysa: ...or the install CD for errors?
[05:44] <dabaR> Plazma: in fact it is gnu/linux
[05:44] <fysa> yeah.
[05:45] <fysa> I tried the daily also..
[05:45] <Divix> what do all of you find is the lowest amount of ram that runs Ubuntu decent ?
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, should be listed in /etc/init.d/
[05:45] <vader1102> todd__, I jave used K-Docler
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> gah
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> oh well
[05:45] <djm62> giovann: if you type "mount" it will list everything that's mounted, should you get confused
[05:45] <vader1102> docker
[05:45] <adamh> Divix: Totally depends what you want to do with it
[05:45] <Divix> Mainly network diag, web,
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> vader1102, kxdocker?
[05:45] <giovann> ok
[05:45] <vader1102> yes...sorry
[05:45] <Plazma> Divix, i have ubuntu on a ppc ibook with 192MB of ram and it runs beatifully
[05:45] <djm62> night all
[05:45] <BlueEagle> divix: web as in webserver or as in web browsing?
[05:45] <dabaR> night
[05:46] <WebLOCH> crimsun, you about?
[05:46] <BlueEagle> divix: is it important for you to see images when browsing?
[05:46] <Divix> smooth,..... my 128 is not working so swift (700mhz)
[05:46] <todd__> vader1102, when i tried installing it the background of it is black, any way to make it transparent?
[05:46] <Divix> yes
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, man swat
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> or info swat
[05:46] <Marruk> what clients does ubuntu come with chat client instant and irc?
[05:46] <Plazma> Divix, i use xfce as my desktop and it runs fairly decent.. 366mhz 192mb ram
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> pc22, i don't have it installed here
[05:46] <Plazma> Marruk, gaim and xchat
[05:46] <dabaR> Marruk: gaim
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Marruk: xchat IRC, gaim IM
[05:46] <vader1102> todd__,  I have no clue, it is my bedtime
[05:46] <BlueEagle> divix: on 128 mb and 700 mhz you should be able to run xorg and a light-weight windowmanager and opera or firefox smoothly. May I recomend xfce4, openbox or icewm (in random order)
[05:47] <Marruk> thoreauputic thanks
[05:47] <Divix> I am rather new to this, xfce?
[05:47] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yes?
[05:47] <hosler> How can I change gnomes default file browser from nautilus to rox? For example I want rox to show the files of my usbdisk when I plug it in and not nautilus.
[05:47] <WebLOCH>  crimsun, Ive been told you mght be able to help me sort out my audio problems, if you have time?
[05:47] <durt> firefox is not smooth
[05:47] <Phily> divid,I use to run a PII 450 Mhz with enlignement 16 with absolutly no prob
[05:47] <BlueEagle> durt: fact or opinion?
[05:47] <Divix> sweet
[05:47] <todd__> vader1102, ok, thanks!
[05:48] <crimsun> WebLOCH: sure, what're the issues?
[05:48] <Divix> I am a server/network tech and i am just now getting into the open source enviroment...
[05:48] <giovann> what is the command when mounting the floopy disk ?
[05:48] <durt> blueeagle: fact - opera is much more responsive, but it doesnt look as good
[05:48] <Phily> divx: with X you need more  RAM and then its going to run smothrt
[05:48] <Divix> cool... thanks
[05:48] <Plazma> Divix, you want to use ubuntu as a desktop or server?
[05:48] <WebLOCH> crabstic, not sure yet, I just know that current suggestions have lead people not  to know the answer
[05:49] <Divix> Just desktop
[05:49] <BlueEagle> durt: is that before or after you've disabled ipv6 in firefox?
[05:49] <WebLOCH> crimsun, that was for you haha
[05:49] <Divix> using it now as i have heard it is great for a first linux run
[05:49] <WebLOCH> not crabstick
[05:49] <dabaR> lol
[05:49] <Plazma> Divix, ive used linux off and on for 3 years and counting and im stuck on ubuntu now, very good for desktop use
[05:49] <WebLOCH> crimsun, if i load alsamixer i get an error and if i attempt load an mp3 in xmms i get a similar error
[05:49] <WebLOCH> basc
[05:49] <BlueEagle> durt: ..and opera is quite skinnable, so I don't see how you can make looks an issue in the depate.
[05:49] <crimsun> WebLOCH: erm, so essentially you have no sound?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> WebLOCH: you might start by teling him what your sound card is...
[05:49] <BlueEagle> debate*
[05:49] <hosler> Divix, ubuntu=awsome
[05:50] <BlueEagle> (mu b fell over)
[05:50] <Divix> So now i am basically using it for Ethereal, Terminal to my servers, and MISC web browsing/ reseraching
[05:50] <durt> blueeagle, ive done all that tweaking; im talking about the app itself (ie, it takes a while the file menu to open after you click on it)
[05:50] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  yeah its an ASUS mobo with HDA sound, provided by Realtek I can get the exact version if you like
[05:50] <hosler> Divix, I use ethereal too. Its aslo awsome.
[05:50] <crimsun> WebLOCH: is this with Hoary or Breezy?
[05:50] <adamh> Divix: 128MB should be fine. Firefox can be a bit heavy, but otherwise 128MB is plenty, even for GNOME
[05:50] <dabaR> awesome
[05:50] <WebLOCH> crimsun, it is Hoary
[05:50] <nybble> hmm
[05:50] <nybble> adamh: hmm, it seems hotplug is enabling it anyway
[05:50] <disasm> Divix: unless you want to stick with ubuntu i'd say try everything before ubuntu, because once you try ubuntu everything else will just be disappointing to use ;-) j/k
[05:50] <crimsun> WebLOCH: cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:51] <WebLOCH> Breezy rejects my user devices
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: Oh, well I've not seen any noticable lag in it. Might be just me that is lucky though.
[05:51] <WebLOCH> cat /proc/asound/modules
[05:51] <WebLOCH> bah
[05:51] <durt> blueeagle, opera also has that add banner
[05:51] <crimsun> WebLOCH: actually if you're on Hoary, you'll need to compile the azx driver. I'm sending you instructions.
[05:51] <fysa> ALT-F2 -> BusyBox doesn't have jfs either. :/
[05:51] <crimsun> !tell WebLOCH about alsa-source
[05:51] <Divix> I have been told that Ubuntu does not use RPM's as i once played with (3 years ago) in redhat, What is its standard?
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: No it doesn't.
[05:51] <roxville> Divix, if you wanna try something fun (besides ubuntu) , try elive
[05:51] <BlueEagle> durt: unless you're too cheap to pay for it.
[05:51] <disasm> Divix: debs
[05:51] <Plazma> !elive
[05:51] <ubotu> Plazma: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Divix: .deb
[05:51] <anethema> hey whats gonna be the name of the breezy successor?
[05:51] <Divix> thanks
[05:52] <jsgotangco> dapper
[05:52] <hosler> I upgraded to breezy and now when I try to restart my laptop it doesnt turn the computer off after it shuts down everything else. I just have a blank screen and I have to hold the power button to turn off. Is there a way to fix this?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Divix: Ubuntu is based on Debian
[05:52] <fysa> I've got a GRML CD I can use..
[05:52] <Divix> What is redhat (rpm's) base from?
[05:52] <tritium> hosler, that's a bug with the ipw2200 driver.  Is it a Toshiba Tecra?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> !tell Divix about docs
[05:52] <Plazma> Divix, ubuntu uses an awesome package system that once you use, you wont want to live without
[05:52] <BlueEagle> hosler: Seems like a broken acpi setting. Might be an issue with the kernel. Are you using the 386 ot 686 kernel?
[05:52] <locomorto> !tell Divix about docs
[05:52] <durt> blueeagle: yes im quite niggardly :)
[05:52] <hosler> tritium: Its a Toshiba Satellite.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Divix: rpm is a Red Hat invention
[05:52] <hosler> BlueEagle: 386
[05:53] <tritium> hosler, a few of us with Toshibas with ipw2200 have that problem too
[05:53] <Divix> the synmantec?
[05:53] <dabaR> anethema: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65536&highlight=dapper
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : I am getting the same error -> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o"
[05:53] <WebLOCH> crimsun, its giving me a bunch of options, i have no idea which are correct
[05:53] <thoreauputic> !tell Divix about synaptic
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : after compiling the driver
[05:53] <WebLOCH> crimsun, nm installing
[05:53] <BlueEagle> hosler: You could try the 686 kernel (if hardware supports it), but it might be the same config bar cpu enhancement so it might be broken in that build as well.
[05:53] <crimsun> WebLOCH: say "no" to isapnp and "yes" to debug
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Divix: check your /msg es :)
[05:53] <dabaR> WebLOCH: use the azx driver
[05:53] <disasm> Divix: after using ubuntu about the only other distro i can stand using is gentoo, and thats only on a really fast machine i dont have to productive on
[05:53] <tritium> BlueEagle, it's an ipw2200 bug
[05:53] <BlueEagle> hosler: In any case you should bug-report it.
[05:53] <nybble> anyone know how to stop hotplug from enabling a net interface
[05:53] <nybble> ?
[05:53] <sono> locomorto|food : of course that's only part of the whole set of missing files
[05:53] <crimsun> evenin', tritium
[05:54] <hosler> tritium: Im not use to linux (native bsd user), so could you tell me the shutdown command? I usually have to exit to gdm and then to shutdown.
[05:54] <hosler> BlueEagle: ok
[05:54] <tritium> hi crimsun :)
[05:54] <BlueEagle> tritium: ?
[05:54] <dabaR> nybble: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to a paste/ubuntulinux.nl page
[05:54] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  i may need to redo this then, I said yes to "isapnp" and no to "debug
[05:54] <Plazma> hosler, shutdown -h now
[05:54] <tritium> BlueEagle, yes>?
[05:54] <locomorto> sono: it hink thats a problem with mplayer
[05:54] <hosler> Plazma: ok thanks
[05:54] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yes, then please ctrl+c
[05:54] <adamh> nybble: /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d: add a file, and put the interface's module name. But you'd be better off letting hotplug load the interface and just not try and get an address for it (i.e., through /etc/network/interfaces)
[05:54] <locomorto> sono: check the mplayer site
[05:54] <crimsun> WebLOCH: then sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: I am assuming of course that you are using mplayer
[05:55] <BlueEagle> tritium: Is it a bug in the acpi implementation of a spesific laptop?
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: Or is this something else?
[05:55] <locomorto> sono: me is confused
[05:55] <sono> locomorto... will that cause a conflict for compiling fglrx drivers?
[05:55] <Divix> Thanks for all the info, i always like to introdue my clients to well created distros...
[05:55] <Divix> Goodbye
[05:56] <disasm> nybble: are you referring to hotplug enabling the module or the actual bringing up of the interface?
[05:56] <tritium> BlueEagle, it's bug
[05:56] <tritium> 13882
[05:56] <sono> s/for/when
[05:56] <BlueEagle> tritium: Ahh, ok.
[05:56] <nybble> disasm: bringing it up...
[05:56] <BlueEagle> hosler: If you've got that spesific hardware that bug 13882 describes then it's a known issue.
[05:56] <nybble> disasm, adamh, dabaR: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2335 my /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <hosler> ok
[05:57] <disasm> nybble: remove lines 11 - 13
[05:57] <selinium> what is the command line for finding out what flavour linux is installed?
[05:58] <nybble> but i want to be able to easily turn it on when needed...
[05:58] <WebLOCH> crimsun, what exactly was it you wanted me to paste
[05:58] <BlueEagle> selinium: cat /etc/issue will often tell you
[05:58] <nybble> i do that, it doesnt work easily
[05:58] <crimsun> selinium: for LSB-compliant distros, lsb_release -a
[05:58] <WebLOCH> the output from the compile/install ?
[05:58] <dabaR> nybble: comment them out. # is the comment symbol
[05:58] <selinium> cheers guys!
[05:58] <disasm> nybble: ifup ethX where x is number of interface
[05:58] <nybble> i know that
[05:58] <disasm> nybble: err sudo ifup ethX
[05:58] <crimsun> WebLOCH: nothing if the operation's successful. What's the last thing you executed?
[05:59] <nybble> ok...
[05:59] <nybble> brb testing
[05:59] <WebLOCH> did the instruction the bot sent me
[05:59] <WebLOCH> then used the reconfiggure command to change the options i set incorrectly
[05:59] <WebLOCH> no perceivable failures
[06:00] <crimsun> WebLOCH: in that case you need to recompile the modules: sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r)
[06:00] <bz0b> quepapas!
[06:00] <hosler> Are there any good disk defragmentors out there?
[06:00] <BlueEagle> hosler: for which file system?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> hosler: you don't normally need to defrag in Linux
[06:00] <hosler> BlueEagle: ext2, if thats what ubuntu uses.
[06:00] <disasm> hosler: defrag? whats that?
[06:01] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  a lot of output again none of it seems failed
[06:01] <dr_willis> lol
[06:01] <adamh> hosler: It doesn't get fragmented much, you don't need a defragmenter :)
[06:01] <bz0b> QUEPAPAS!
[06:01] <snowowl> linux doesnt need ext3 is journalized
[06:01] <hosler> adamh: ok
[06:01] <thoreauputic> hosler: unless you have a full  drive or something unusual, no need to defrag at all
[06:01] <dr_willis> Ugly windows habbits are hard to kick.
[06:01] <crimsun> WebLOCH: dpkg -l alsa-modules\*|grep ^ii
[06:01] <bz0b> eww, winblows sucks
[06:02] <bz0b> i think dapper drake will rape vista
[06:02] <BlueEagle> hosler: ubuntu can use many filesystems, but they are less prone to fragmentation than other (read fat and ntfs) filesystems.
[06:02] <hosler> disasm: rearanges data on hard drive to make things load faster is a broad definition.
[06:02] <snowowl> any one trying beagle
[06:02] <bz0b> even hoary would be better then vista
[06:02] <WebLOCH> crimsun, ii  alsa-modules-2 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 ALSA driver modules
[06:02] <hosler> ok
[06:02] <WebLOCH> vista = macosx
[06:02] <crimsun> WebLOCH: good. Now sudo modprobe snd-azx
[06:02] <geez> ?
[06:02] <WebLOCH> I ran the beta for awhile
[06:02] <bz0b> is it macos?
[06:02] <adamh> snowowl: I've had it for a while, yeah...
[06:02] <nybble> alright
[06:02] <nybble> didnt work
[06:02] <WebLOCH> crimsun, no output
[06:02] <selinium>  /j #redhat
[06:02] <ksmurf> night all
[06:02] <nybble> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. when i run ifup eth1
[06:02] <disasm> hosler: yeah, i know, i still run it on client windows machines ;-) just haven't had to ever do it on linux in the last 7 years or so i've been using it
[06:03] <bz0b> brb
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, it seems like macosx
[06:03] <crimsun> WebLOCH: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[06:03] <bz0b> WebLOCH, Well, I would doubt it, considering MacOS is good
[06:03] <bz0b> brb
[06:03] <disasm> hosler: can you pastebin output of ifconfig -a
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, I dont much like it
[06:03] <WebLOCH> crimsun, Mixers:
[06:03] <WebLOCH> 0: Realtek ID 882
[06:03] <hosler> disasm: sure just give me url to pastebin. I dont remembe it.
[06:03] <bz0b> WebLOCH, Well, you do know its based off of FreeBSD
[06:03] <WebLOCH> bz0b, yeah
[06:03] <crimsun> oh geez, an 882.
[06:04] <crimsun> This nightmare will never end
[06:04] <WebLOCH> haha
[06:04] <disasm> pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:04] <WebLOCH> where did you get the madphatsoundskills?
[06:04] <bz0b> WebLOCH, brb
[06:04] <WebLOCH> bz0b,  ok
[06:04] <snowowl> Im gonna try it
[06:04] <BlueEagle> hosler: There's a subtle difference between defragmenting files (put files in a continuous "line" on the harddisk) and rearranging files so things load faster (arrange several files in a particular order so that they are stored in the sequence most commonly used and thus using some nifty caching side effects to load faster) or so I've been told.
[06:04] <crimsun> WebLOCH: can you hear anything with ''aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav''?
[06:04] <disasm> hosler: oops, that meant to be nybble
[06:05] <nybble> lol...
[06:05] <WebLOCH> Yes
[06:05] <giovann> mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[06:05] <disasm> nybble: can you pastebin output of ifconfig -a
[06:05] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  yes I can
[06:05] <crimsun> WebLOCH: excellent, problem resolved.
[06:05] <hosler> disasm: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2336 there you go anyway
[06:05] <WebLOCH> so it is
[06:05] <nybble> uhm ok
[06:05] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  "mad props" i believe is the expression
[06:05] <crimsun> WebLOCH: if you're in GNOME, just log out of and back into GNOME
[06:05] <nybble> it'll be diff since i had to re-enable it to be online here
[06:05] <hosler> BlueEagle: i said it was a broad definition, haha
[06:06] <WebLOCH> crimsun, do you know if breezy will have support by default ?
[06:06] <disasm> hosler: is vmnet vmware virtual interfaces?
[06:06] <crimsun> WebLOCH: it will, but we're chasing a driver regression for the ALC880 codec
[06:06] <WebLOCH> ahh
[06:06] <WebLOCH> fair enough
[06:06] <WebLOCH> brb gonna logout
[06:06] <nybble> disasm: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2337
[06:06] <hosler> disasm: yeah
[06:06] <giovann> can some one here give me a command by mounting a floopy drive ?
[06:07] <nybble> thats after i renabled it in /etc/network/interfaces tho
[06:07] <selinium> Aaaaargh, 05:07 in the moring here. I really should go to bed!
[06:07] <durt> dont you have school selinium?
[06:08] <narg> self.sleep(selinium)
[06:08] <haja> Anyone have any tips for tweaking Linux for UT2004?
[06:08] <BlueEagle> giovann: sudo mount /dev/fdX /path/to/mountpoint   where X is the floppy drive number (usually 0) and /path/to/mountpoint is the (existing) directory where you want the files on your floppy drive to appear.
[06:08] <giovann> what is the command in mounting by floopy drive ?
[06:08] <WebLOCH> crimsun,  cheers very much, sound appears to be runnin fine
[06:08] <giovann> ok
[06:08] <disasm> nybble: hmmm removing lines 11-13 should have only affected eth0 by the looks of it, eth1 shouldn't have been affected at all
[06:08] <narg> sudo mount /media/floppy0
[06:08] <nybble> oh crap lol
[06:08] <narg> try that
[06:08] <adamh> haja: The one issue I've had (so long ago I forgot about it) is that hotplug loads a crappy AGP module, and the one supplied by the proprietary nVidia driver is way better.
[06:08] <dr_willis> haja,  boot a minimal window manager. or set up a X session that just runs the game
[06:09] <adamh> haja: agpgart, I mean
[06:09] <geez> ive installed ubuntu as server, now i want to install xfce4 how would i do this?
[06:09] <WebLOCH> jdk
[06:09] <adamh> haja: I forget the details, but that could get you started if you're getting a way-too-low framerate
[06:09] <nybble> i'll try that disasm.brb once again
[06:09] <selinium> durt: lol, project supposed to be finished 2 months ago, dead line today... or looking for new job possibly! :|
[06:09] <fysa> Can I mount my initrd and copy jfs.ko to it manually?
[06:09] <haja> Well.... its not really that bad. I mean average around 40 fps... I'm running a 9800 Pro 128mb btw
[06:09] <durt> adamh: whats the option in xorg.conf that loads agpgart?
[06:09] <disasm> geez: sudo apt-get install xfce4 dont forget to add repos to sources.list (universe and multiverse, not sure which one xfce is in)
[06:09] <BlueEagle> geez: did you try sudo apt-get xfce4
[06:10] <hosler> So will windows adopt linux or bsd?
[06:10] <BlueEagle> geez: or even better: aptitude install xfce4
[06:10] <dr_willis> hosler,  they will go back to dos.. ddent you read the anoucements?
[06:11] <hosler> dr_willis: haha
[06:11] <thoreauputic> geez: sudo aptitude install xfce4 x-window-system-core gdm
[06:11] <narg> selinium: How far away from finishing it?
[06:11] <narg> *are you
[06:11] <WebLOCH> How do I install from a .bin file?
[06:11] <disasm> WebLOCH: what is it your installing?
[06:11] <selinium> probably a day.... Depends how many stupid mistakes I can make!
[06:11] <narg> ./file.bin runs it.
[06:11] <WebLOCH> JDK + Netbeans 4.1
[06:11] <dr_willis> you run a .bin file.
[06:12] <WebLOCH> narg I tried that
[06:12] <disasm> WebLOCH: use java-package
[06:12] <dr_willis> sh whatever.bin
[06:12] <narg> install it by putting it your path?
[06:12] <BlueEagle> webloch: chmod u+x filename.bin
[06:12] <Agrajag> narg: not unless it's executable, which it most likely is not.
[06:12] <BlueEagle> webloch: then ./filename.bin
[06:12] <haja> What doe CVS mean?
[06:12] <narg> Agrajag: I assumed the .bin file would be executable, :p
[06:12] <haja> lol..
[06:12] <dr_willis> they need to quiot naming the things .bin and use somthing like foobar.runme
[06:12] <dr_willis> :P
[06:12] <durt> concurrent versions system
[06:12] <WebLOCH> sh doesnt work
[06:12] <narg> concurrent versioning system
[06:12] <disasm> WebLOCH: sudo apt-get install java-package; make-jpkg <name_of_bin>; dpkg -i <name_of_deb>
[06:13] <dr_willis> try  'file whatever.bin' and see what kind of file it is
[06:13] <WebLOCH> I didnt think Java-package was the official Sub set ?
[06:13] <narg> dr_willis: some do, but yea
[06:13] <crimsun> WebLOCH: yw
[06:13] <Agrajag> narg: it might be a binary, but a file you download is not executable until you tell it to be.
[06:13] <WebLOCH> Blue-Box,  ty
[06:13] <nybble> thanks guys, it worked...
[06:13] <narg> I know, I just foolishly assume he had already chmod 777 or whatever'd it. Silly me :)
[06:13] <BlueEagle> webloch: I'm not blue-box. :p
[06:14] <WebLOCH> Blue-Box,  you are now!
[06:14] <WebLOCH> BlueEagle, sorry was me being slack
[06:14] <BlueEagle> ;D
[06:14] <Agrajag> yeah, if he doesn't know how to run it, you gotta assume he doesn't know chmod either :/
[06:14] <BlueEagle> weiss: No problem.
[06:14] <WebLOCH> ive used chmod before
[06:14] <WebLOCH> when I installed warty i didnt need to chmod it
[06:14] <WebLOCH> to run it
[06:14] <WebLOCH> so I wasnt sure what was going on
[06:15] <Agrajag> well now you know
[06:15] <WebLOCH> indeed
[06:15] <cevizoglu> narg, you shouldn't chmod 777, chmod +x is safer
[06:15] <dabaR> wehats a WebLOCH ?
[06:15] <narg> cevizoglu: I have no other users, but 4/5 accounts that I use, so I world allow most everything.
[06:16] <WebLOCH> dabaR, I was writing a program once that was to be called WebLOCH, however I usurped the name when signing up for a new email address one day, and it kind of stuck, been using it as a programming handle since
[06:17] <BlueEagle> dabar: It's a big pool of stuff on the web. From the scottish name for lake. Hence WebLOCH.
[06:17] <shorty114> i've installed XFCE using apt-get, but when i log out, there isn't any XFCE in the Sessions list... how do i use XFCE?
[06:17] <crimsun> shorty114: did you install xfce4?
[06:18] <shorty114> crimsun, i did "sudo apt-get install xfce"
[06:18] <crimsun> shorty114: no, use xfce4
[06:18] <shorty114> should i uninstall xfce?
[06:18] <crimsun> no
[06:18] <haja> Is there anyway to get my extra mouse buttons to work in Firefox as back/forward?
[06:18] <shorty114> and then install xfce4?
[06:18] <shorty114> ok i'll do xfce4
[06:18] <dabaR> shorty114: use aptitude it is better.
[06:18] <dabaR> shorty114: for the task....
[06:18] <shorty114> dabaR, instead of XFCE?
[06:18] <dabaR> no, instead of apt-get
[06:19] <shorty114> oho k
[06:19] <BlueEagle> shorty114: As dabar sais. aptitude is "the bettery way"(tm)
[06:19] <shorty114> aptitude install xfce4?
[06:19] <BlueEagle> shorty114: sudo aptitude install xfce4, but yes.
[06:19] <shorty114> ok
[06:19] <BlueEagle> dabar: I'm going to have to stick with this forever now, you know.
[06:20] <WebLOCH> Does anyone here know if GNU java compiler is for sun java specifically
[06:20] <geez> ive installed ubuntu as server, now i want to install xfce4 how would i do this?
[06:20] <WebLOCH> or is it a custom implementation?
[06:20] <shorty114> ookay this'll take a while
[06:20] <crimsun> WebLOCH: cleanroom implementation
[06:20] <BlueEagle> shorty114: what time is it?
[06:20] <xark> WebLOCH: Its Java, but its specifically not Suns...
[06:20] <pedri2> i'm using kubuntu and i would like to include the games installed in ubuntu, how do i do that?
[06:20] <shorty114> geez, in terminal, sudo aptitude install xfce4
[06:20] <WebLOCH> Hmm
[06:20] <WebLOCH> I might aswell uninstall it then
[06:20] <shorty114> BlueEagle, uh, 9:20 pm?
[06:20] <shorty114> 21 now
[06:20] <xark> WebLOCH: Yes.  I was having problems using Sun's Java with the gcj runtime (almost worked... :)
[06:21] <geez> shorty114: does that install xorg?
[06:21] <geez> as well*
[06:21] <shorty114> geez, idk
[06:21] <WebLOCH> crimsun, xark,  do either of you know if compiling java is actually any faster than interpreted ?
[06:21] <narg> doesnt aptitude keep a seperate database than apt-get/dpkg?
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: Well, get your evenin' meal done and go to sleep. It might be done when you wake up. :p
[06:21] <WebLOCH> xark, java for windows is appalling, its the main reason for my changeover
[06:21] <shorty114> geez, if it needs it, i guess it'll install xorg too
[06:21] <shorty114> it's already unpacking
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: it needs it and it will install it.
[06:21] <BlueEagle> shorty114: might not configure it for you though...
[06:21] <xark> WebLOCH: With most JVMs, I think it JIT compiles.  Its possibly to nativly compile with gcj, but I am not sure how much of a win it is (or how well it works).
[06:22] <shorty114> BlueEagle, xorg?
[06:22] <shorty114> i already have GNOMe on here...
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: yes.
[06:22] <shorty114> so i'd have xorg, right?
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: if you've got gnome then you've got xorg.
[06:22] <shorty114> sweet
[06:22] <shorty114> i just can't stand gnome
[06:22] <shorty114> and kde's too high-end for my machine :)(
[06:22] <BlueEagle> shorty114: thus it won't install it or touch your xorg.conf
[06:23] <crimsun> WebLOCH: if you can notice the difference, you need to be working for a company to improve the performance of the JITter ;)
[06:23] <disasm> shorty114: i dont think it will install it, at least with debian sarge it doesn't because i have a couple servers with no xserver, but have xfce or fluxbox installed for use in vnc (which doesn't require an xserver)
[06:23] <shorty114> BlueEagle, i know, i was talking to geez
[06:23] <WebLOCH> crimsun, I havent had a chance to try it yet, but judging by the poor state of the garbage collector, I can only imagine natively compiled code being faster
[06:23] <BlueEagle> shorty114: Then you might want to prefix with geez:  hehe
 geez, if it needs it, i guess it'll install xorg too
[06:24] <WebLOCH> crimsun, Also the windows implementation of the JVM is not particularly impressive by comparison to the linux versions for example
[06:24] <shorty114> but that can also be taken as not a nick :)
[06:24] <xark> WebLOCH: I think its just a question of _when_ it gets turned into native code (compile time, or as needed at run time).
[06:24] <dr_willis> doing a server install. then installing X. :P
[06:24] <crimsun> WebLOCH: well, natively compiled code wouldn't help with the garbage collection being any faster
[06:24] <BlueEagle> shorty114: That's what happens when people use nicks that look like d00d sp34k for jees :p
[06:24] <RRubin> when i select a different keyboard layout (dvorkak) all the ctrl-keys are still in the old one. is this a gtk bug?
[06:24] <shorty114> i wonder if he has any problems with people going "geez, shut up" to other people...
[06:25] <crimsun> RRubin: hmm? dvorak variant?
[06:25] <BlueEagle> shorty114: geez, c'mon. :p
[06:25] <shorty114> so after it's done installing, it should be listed in the Sessions thing in gdm, right?
[06:25] <crimsun> shorty114: yes, it will be
[06:25] <shorty114> so i can just log out and it'll be available?
[06:25] <RRubin> crimsun: it changes which keys are which. eg, f becomes u
[06:25] <disasm> shorty114: thats why i use : it tends to break things better than a comma (ntm tab completion puts it in)
[06:25] <shorty114> sweet
[06:25] <shorty114> thanks
[06:25] <geez> what
[06:25] <BlueEagle> shorty114: You might need to restart the X-server with CTRL+ALT+BackSpace before it appears in gdm
[06:25] <crimsun> RRubin: but ctrl doesn't move. Trust me.
[06:26] <RRubin> crimsun: but ctrl-f still is activating ctrl-f menu keys
[06:26] <RRubin> instead of ctrl-u
[06:26] <BlueEagle> selinium: might even need to run /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:26] <WebLOCH> crimsun, I can only assume if you have a native executable its memory management is handled by the operating system rather than the JVM
[06:26] <BlueEagle> (although the former should suffice iirc)
[06:26] <WebLOCH> in which case it would be greatly beneficial
[06:26] <crimsun> RRubin: are you using Hoary or Breezy?
[06:26] <RRubin> crimsun: hoary
[06:26] <crimsun> RRubin: did you move the dvorak selection to the top of the list?
[06:27] <RRubin> crimsun: yes, and made it the default
[06:27] <angry_games> hello everyone...I'm a linux idiot who needs to simply figure out how to get 3d acceleration to work on ubuntu 64-bit and have googled all day and only have made things worse i think lol
[06:27] <crimsun> WebLOCH: but the key to the jvm is that it does the garbage collection.
[06:28] <Nilbus> what arch are ubuntu's packages compiled for? They should work on a Pentium2, right?
[06:28] <WebLOCH> crimsun, im not sure I follow, it seems totally random, and in some cases does not appear to collect after objects are destroyed
[06:28] <crimsun> Nilbus: they'll work on 386
[06:28] <Nilbus> thanks
[06:29] <Nilbus> how much disk space does a default install take?
[06:29] <crimsun> Nilbus: ~1 GB
[06:29] <angry_games> is there anyone that can possibly spend a few minutes telling me what I must do to get a Radeon 9800XT to work correctly?
[06:29] <Nilbus> thanks crimsun
[06:29] <dabaR> !tell angry_games about ati
[06:29] <crimsun> WebLOCH: versions of Java prior to 1.5.0 have serious threading and garbage collection issues
[06:30] <angry_games> thx dabaR i'll take a good read
[06:30] <WebLOCH> That might well be it
[06:30] <WebLOCH> And sloppy programmers
[06:30] <angry_games> ok I have read all of this, and the only thing that ended up happening is that instead of glxrinfo showing my 9800, it is now showing Mesa which is worse
[06:31] <angry_games> I am not opposed to completely reinstalling Ubuntu again to get all the way back to scratch if that is necessary
[06:32] <fadumpt> is the ubuntu-desktop package important?
[06:32] <dr_willis> its a meta-package for all the otehr packages included in the standard desktop layout I think
[06:32] <dabaR> fadumpt: remiove it
[06:32] <dabaR> dr_willis: true
[06:32] <fadumpt> dabaR, you're just saying that
[06:32] <dr_willis> of coruse what that REALLY means... I have no clue..
[06:32] <dr_willis> :P
[06:33] <dr_willis> i think its mainly used - say if they decide a new 'thing' should be standard - they can add it to that package as a dependencie. so its included also by default
[06:33] <dabaR>  dr_willis fadumpt it is a list of packages included in ubuntu desktrop. safe to remove as it is only a list, and is not a package at all
[06:33] <dr_willis> not sure aht other uses all the meta-packages are for,
[06:33] <fadumpt> oh okay
[06:34] <fadumpt> cuz i want totem off
[06:34] <dr_willis> Lol
[06:34] <fadumpt> i just spent the day making mplayer perfect
[06:34] <fadumpt> and now everythign defaults to totem
[06:34] <dabaR> fadumpt: totem is part f the ubuntu desktp~op,, that is why its beng removed too
[06:35] <angry_games> i've figured out how to get mp3's to work, how to install Enemy Territory, etc...but I just cannot get 3d acceleration to work, and all of the ATI stuff I have read and tried only seems to make things worse
[06:35] <giovann> mount: can't find /fd0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:36] <dabaR> giovann: paste ls /dev/fd* to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:36] <fadumpt> yeah i can't get 3D nvidia installed, but that's another day
[06:36] <hunterp> how do i turn off password prompt from screensaver
[06:36] <giovann> ok
[06:37] <narg> fadumpt: you installed nvidia-glx, and changed xorg.conf?
[06:37] <giovann> /dev/fd0
[06:37] <giovann> /dev/fd:
[06:37] <giovann> 0  1  2  3
[06:37] <fadumpt> that's next time, but thanks for confirming it narg :)
[06:37] <fadumpt> i tried to do the nvidia driver from thesite
[06:37] <fadumpt> didn't work out
[06:37] <fadumpt> saw an article against debian's install of nvidia
[06:38] <narg> angry_games: ati cards are known for being annoying, I'd help if I didnt have nvidia. Don't know much about ati.
[06:38] <fadumpt> hunterp, go to System, preferences, xscreensaver
[06:38] <dabaR> sudo mkdir /mnt;sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy;sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy. Paste the output to the pastebin, please.
[06:38] <durt> fadumpt: nvidia-glx works fine
[06:38] <fadumpt> uncheck lock screen after
[06:38] <angry_games> the article/forum posts that dabar linked me to told me to NOT install the ATI drivers as the Ubuntu ones were more suited to what I had
[06:38] <angry_games> narg: do you get openGL acceleration by default with nv cards?
[06:38] <hunterp> fadumpt: there is "screensaver" and nothing in there to remove the password prompt
[06:39] <fadumpt> yeah screensaver
[06:39] <fadumpt> and uncheck lock
[06:39] <fadumpt> that should remove it
[06:39] <tjs> trying to find the w32codecs deb for breezy
[06:39] <dabaR> anyone know why a lot of the time when someone says my nick, I dont get his line highlighted? like with the angry_games one just a moment ago. irssi
[06:39] <angry_games> problem is, I have 6800GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 6600GT SLI nv cards, but they are all PCI-E and the last time I tried to setup linux on an NF4 it was even worse...at least Ubuntu sees and defaults all the right stuff for this NF3 setup
[06:39] <johndarkhorse> tjs: there is none, go to www.mplayerhq.hu to their downloads page
[06:39] <fadumpt> tjs: i saw a thing on the mplayer (it;s for that right) to make your own .deb, seemed easy
[06:40] <tjs> ah ok
[06:40] <tjs> thanks
[06:40] <fadumpt> it's not *that* hard to install it from source yourself in ubuntu
[06:40] <giovann> mount: mount point /path/to/fd0 does not exist
[06:40] <narg> angry_games: Once I install binary nvidia drivers.
[06:40] <hunterp> fadumpt: it isnt checked
[06:40] <fadumpt> oh, I don't know then....sorry
[06:40] <fadumpt> and i'm going to bed
[06:40] <fadumpt> night
[06:40] <angry_games> narg: argh...then here's a really stupid question...I downloaded the latest ATI rpm package...but I have no clue what to do with them
[06:41] <narg> angry_games: methinks your going to better off with an nvidia card on a wierd port than a ati card.
[06:41] <dabaR> giovann: why /path/to? why not /dev/fd0?
[06:41] <narg> angry_games: sudo alien package.rpm; sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[06:41] <giovann> i want to mount the floopy
[06:41] <angry_games> I've unpacked them...but don't have a clue what to do from there (all linux stuff seems to be for you guys who already know the basics, which leaves super stupid noobs in the dark like me)
[06:41] <angry_games> ok let me try that (THX!)
[06:41] <dabaR> angry_games: you are not super stupid, I am sure.
[06:42] <angry_games> www.dfi-street.com = im not stupid on windows...but on linux i am dumber than Forrest Gump
[06:42] <dabaR> angry_games: you just play games, which is dumbing you down. install using the wiki method, that is the one that is the likeliest to yield results.
[06:43] <qmanman> anyone know if the java install intructions from the hoary "unofficial" guide works with breezy?
[06:43] <angry_games> haha i barely have time for games
[06:43] <qmanman> !java
[06:43] <ubotu> I guess java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:43] <johndarkhorse> qmanman: the ubuntuguide will lead you into evil
[06:43] <angry_games> i just want to play one in Linux so I can say "I DID IT!!!" and then feel more confident about learning more linux