[08:12] <juliux> morning highvoltage
[08:13] <juliux> highvoltage, on this page http://edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig is a bug. the screenshot is wrong. the path should be gksu "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf"
[08:14] <juliux> on a default edubuntu installation is no ksudo
[08:15] <juliux> and the path is als wrong
[08:15] <highvoltage> juliux: ah, I see
[08:16] <highvoltage> I thought I fixed it. strange.
[08:16] <juliux> the path should be /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and not /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[08:16] <juliux> yesterday i only looked at the screenshot so i put my lts.conf in the wrong folder and so the clients didnt boot
[08:18] <highvoltage> urgh. pips1 and I changed the password and I can't remember it.
[08:18] <highvoltage> juliux: I have an updated screenshot now, will upload a bit later today when I find pips1
[08:19] <juliux> good luck
[08:55] <RichEd> morning highvoltage & others
[08:55] <highvoltage> mornign RichEd
[08:57] <HedgeMage> hi, guys :)
[09:01] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage :)
[09:02] <HedgeMage> hey, RichEd, how's it going?
[09:03] <RichEd> Well thanks HedgeMage and yourself ?
[09:04] <RichEd> (Last planning over the next few days and some construction action by the end of this week hopefully.)
[09:04] <HedgeMage> Pretty good... TT is finally potty training :)  Other than that just trying to find time at the computer to wrap up as much handbook stuff as I can
[09:04] <HedgeMage> Do we have a docbook guru who might be willing to help straighten out some errors with handbook's markup?
[09:05] <HedgeMage> I only took one quick look, but I am still learning docbook so it didn't seem horribly obvious to me.
[09:05] <RichEd> ^^ Good. I raised your desire to move in the meeting ... people are aware of the situation and we need to recruit some more willing helpers. We are hoping Will van der leij will take over all docs from a co-ordination and management point.
[09:06] <RichEd> re: docbook guru - what is required here ? skills ? time ?
[09:29] <RichEd> HedgeMage: re: docbook guru - what is required here ? skills ? time ?
[09:31] <HedgeMage> RichEd: We get about a dozen (possibly trivial) docbook errors when trying to process the thing to make a pdf or show it as one document or whatnot... I'm not sure how to fix them off of the top of my head.  If someone who actually knows what they're doing can help, i doubt a fix would take more than a half hour, maybe an hour tops.
[09:51] <RichEd> HedgeMage: Can you send me an email with the info above and some details as to how this has been experienced or fixed before ? And anyone who helped previously ? I will try to find a resource or willing helper.
[09:52] <RichEd> And any examples of the problem(s) ... that would help.
[09:52] <HedgeMage> RichEd: sure thing.
[09:52] <HedgeMage> probably in the morning, though, I'm about to fall over.
[09:53] <RichEd> no rush ... also include deadline dates & targets ")_
[09:53] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I'll post a plea to ubuntu-docteam as well, someone there was very helpful last time.
[09:53] <HedgeMage> cool, thanks :D
[09:53] <HedgeMage> I am so sick of being so strapped for time... I hate doing this job knowing I can't give it 100% :(
[09:53] <HedgeMage> It *deserves* 100%
[10:17] <RichEd> hey jono :) you been away for a bit ?
[10:17] <RichEd> morning ogra
[10:17] <jono> hey RichEd :)
[10:17] <jono> RichEd, yeah was on vacation for two weeks
[10:24] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I've been there before, I understand. It's not fun :(
[10:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: thanks :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: what I can tell you though is that it eventually does pass over :)
[10:28] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Thanks for the support :)
[10:29] <HedgeMage> It's good to know I still have friends here despite being so absent lately.
[10:29] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: :)
[10:30] <HedgeMage> hehe!
[10:30] <RichEd> ;)
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, did you mail claire about not attending UDS ?
[12:23] <cbx33> yes
[12:23] <cbx33> and received a reply
[12:25] <cbx33> y?
[12:26] <ogra> fine, thanks
[12:26] <cbx33> ok
[01:03] <skwashd> hi all
[01:04] <skwashd> i am trying to use the tftp server which ships with edubuntu to flash some firmware
[01:04] <skwashd> where do i store the users ?
[01:04] <highvoltage> hi skwashd
[01:04] <skwashd> hey highvoltage
[01:04] <highvoltage> what kind of users?
[01:04] <skwashd> highvoltage: the tftp users
[01:05] <highvoltage> hmm... I've only used it with root before.
[01:05] <highvoltage> I didn't even know tftpd has concept of users :)
[01:06] <skwashd> highvoltage: well i keep on being prompted for user:pass
[01:06] <ogra> for tftp o_O ?
[01:06] <skwashd> ogra: yes
[01:06] <ogra> the tftp protocol doesnt support such stuff
[01:07] <ogra> seems youre not using tftp there ... tftp is totally dumb and doesnt know about users
[01:08] <skwashd> ogra: hmmm
[01:08] <skwashd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:08] <ogra> but the right place for the file would be /var/lib/tftpboot in any case ... tftpd exports that as /
[01:09] <skwashd> yeah ... i am using /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc for my files ... to keep them separate
[01:10] <ogra> then you need to use /sparc/yourimage.bin on the client ...
[01:10] <skwashd> ogra: yes ... but i am still at the flashing stage
[01:11] <skwashd> under Getting the installer booted
[01:11] <ogra> yes
[01:11] <ogra> thats what i mean
[01:12] <ogra> put your firmware into /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc and use flashupdate -s yourserverip -f /sparc/yourimage.bin
[01:12] <skwashd> i am using  flashupdate -v -s <IP_ADDRESS> -f /sparc/Sun_System_Firmware-6_1_11-Sun_Fire_T2000.bin
[01:12] <ogra> right
[01:12] <skwashd> dave@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot$ ls /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc
[01:12] <skwashd> boot.img  Sun_System_Firmware-6_1_11-Sun_Fire_T2000.bin
[01:13] <ogra> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=121359&toDocument=yes
[01:13] <ogra> doesnt talk about tftp for flashupdate
[01:13] <ogra>           So, before running the flashupdate utility, you must have already downloaded
[01:13] <ogra>           the new Sun System Firmware image from the SunSolve site to a local FTP
[01:13] <ogra>           server accessible by the platform whose firmware you are upgrading.
[01:14] <skwashd> ogra: sorry for wasting your time
[01:14] <ogra> just install vsftp and move the .bin file to a users home ... then get it from there with the users name/pw
[01:14] <ogra> ;)
[01:14] <skwashd> i failed to notice the lack of a t
[01:15] <skwashd> and as i need tftp for the net boot i just assumed it was used for the flash
[01:15] <skwashd> oh wel
[01:15] <skwashd> time to intsall vsftp
[01:22] <skwashd> that worked! :)
[01:22] <skwashd> thanks again
[01:48] <jsgotangco> ta-da!
[01:48] <ogra> clap clap
[01:49] <ogra> good idea ! :)
[01:50] <jsgotangco> heh it seems i downloaded the wrong image
[01:51] <jsgotangco> gahhh i downloaded knot 3
[01:51] <ogra> ouch
[01:51] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:51] <ogra> thats broken as hell
[01:52] <ogra> apart from the broken usplash progressbar everything should be release ready now ...
[01:52] <jsgotangco> i knew it! that's why i though f*ck its ugly
[01:52] <cbx33> :D:D:D
[01:52] <cbx33> we did well
[01:53] <jsgotangco> im so sad i didnt see much
[01:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: are you going to mountain view?
[01:53] <ogra> well, you are back in the right moment for the final tests ;)
[01:53] <cbx33> :( - no
[01:53] <cbx33> I can't get the time off work
[01:53] <jsgotangco> doh!
[01:53] <ogra> apparently nobody will go for edubuntu ...
[01:53] <cbx33> man was friday bad
[01:53] <cbx33> not even pygi?
[01:53] <ogra> pygi mailed he has exams
[01:54] <cbx33> no way.....he was so stoked to go?
[01:54] <ogra> i wonder why he asked for sponsorhip
[01:54] <cbx33> yeh?
[01:54] <ogra> now we wont have anybody apart from the k12 guys and LaserJock :/
[01:55] <cbx33> I'm really really sorry ogra
[01:55] <cbx33> now you're making me feel awful
[01:56] <RichEd> ogra: we've got some ltsp people as well no ?
[01:56] <ogra> right
[01:56] <ogra> but they will be focused on ltsp ... not edubuntu specific stuff
[01:57] <ogra> enabling the ltsp features we want in edubuntu is the only real edubuntu related task here ...
[01:57] <cbx33> can I still be assigned specs if I'm not at MV?
[01:57] <ogra> important for me is to get SCP up to speed and to have more gui tools for edubuntu management (ltsp-manager, willowng)
[01:58] <cbx33> yes
[01:58] <cbx33> ltsp-manager is a must
[01:58] <ogra> apart from discussing things like CD size and new edubuntu features
[01:58] <cbx33> upgrades to SCP and indeed it's inner workings are a must too
[01:58] <cbx33> ogra: I had an idea for an idea :
[01:58] <ogra> i worked a bit on it over the weekend ...
[01:58] <cbx33> was gonna write a spec
[01:58] <cbx33> ogra: on SCP?
[01:58] <ogra> ltsp_manager
[01:58] <cbx33> ah cool
[01:59] <ogra> SCP should be realease reday, right ?
[01:59] <cbx33> what about a way for teachers to plan their lessons......could be integrated in SCP, so that you click a button and on each persons machine it will load what they need for that lesson.....like firefox - pointed to a research resource - oowriter for taking notes.....
[01:59] <ogra> i dont have to change anything anymore, do i ?
[01:59] <cbx33> ogra: yes
[01:59] <cbx33> it's all done
[01:59] <ogra> ok
[02:00] <cbx33> could be extended to save their session to...so next lesson they can continue exactly where they left off?
[02:00] <cbx33> what do you think?
[02:00] <ogra> i'd like to be SCP independent from schools at some point , classroom/schedule management should rather be done by schooltool (thats why we ship it)
[02:00] <cbx33> then time isn't wasted at the start of a lesson loading materials
[02:01] <cbx33> ok
[02:01] <cbx33> but schooltool doesn't do what I just described does it?
[02:01] <ogra> SCP should turn into a generic lockdown ltsp-session-control panel
[02:01] <cbx33> sure
[02:01] <ogra> then add it there :)
[02:01] <cbx33> i thought schooltool was webbaseD?
[02:01] <ogra> it is
[02:02] <cbx33> then we can't really integrate it can we?
[02:02] <ogra> but nobody keeps you from contributing code ;)
[02:02] <cbx33> of course not....but getting a web based package to run programs on a users mahcine and collect information about their current session isn't the best way of doing it is it?
[02:02] <ogra> why ? launchpad integration is using webbased stuff as well from the desktop
[02:03] <ogra> why should the webtool collect info ... collect it independently and *send* it to the webtool
[02:03] <cbx33> i suppose
[02:03] <ogra> indeed you could also write a simple gui tool for it ... but i'd rather like it to be independent from SCP
[02:04] <cbx33> yes i get that independant part :p
[02:04] <ogra> (even we could have a plugin that starts it from SCP ;) )
[02:04] <cbx33> but....it could be seen as session storing for ltsp?
[02:04] <ogra> but which is not installed in a default SCP
[02:04] <cbx33> yes plugin good idea
[02:04] <cbx33> infact that's how I was goign to implement it
[02:04] <ogra> right, if you keep it as add on thats fine ...
[02:05] <cbx33> of course
[02:05] <ogra> as fine as a timer for internet cafes would be as plugin for example
[02:05] <cbx33> yes
[02:05] <jsgotangco> err pardon me but where is the download link for our beta?
[02:05] <ogra> or reporting software interaction for billing ... etc etc
[02:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, /topic ?
[02:05] <jsgotangco> gaahh
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:06] <cbx33> heheh
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: cna you think of any other enhancements we can do?
[02:14] <cbx33> or are you saving that kinda thinking for MV
[02:14] <cbx33> :p
[02:14] <highvoltage> urgh. I'm having heavy NFS problems trying to mount a /home
[02:15] <highvoltage> I keep getting a rpc timed out error no matter what I try
[02:15] <cbx33> highvoltage: have you tried mounting it from a nother machine manually?
[02:16] <cbx33> and do you have an RDNS record? - I believe that affects it IIRC
[02:16] <highvoltage> cbx33: I can't, there's not another machine to test from
[02:17] <ogra> highvoltage, you mean you try mounting /home on a client via nfs ?
[02:17] <ogra> s/client/thin client/
[02:17] <highvoltage> also, this is not a machine I have with me, it's one of our schools I'm helping over jabber :/
[02:17] <highvoltage> ogra: yes
[02:17] <ogra> did it ever work before ?
[02:17] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, I should mention that it's not an edubuntu server
[02:18] <ogra> or is that something new they try to set up ?
[02:18] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it worked
[02:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[02:18] <jsgotangco> UDS in Mountain View would suck because it doesn't have the cool Edubuntu people
[02:18] <highvoltage> it worked fine here, and then we sent the server to them, and when they plugged it into the lab, it wouldn't work.
[02:18] <highvoltage> works fine in 4 other places where we have the same setup.
[02:19] <jsgotangco> nyahaha
[02:19] <ogra> highvoltage, ubuntu ltsp ?
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: kind of. it started as an ubuntu ltsp system
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: it's one of those setups where I run everything locally on the clients
[02:48] <RichEd> cbx33: sent you an eamail ... please take a look when you get a chance
[02:55] <RichEd> does anyone have a recommendation for simple & cheap no frills domain name registration site : I've used register.com and networksolutions.com but not sure if they are the cheapest
[02:56] <ogra> cheapest != best
[02:56] <ogra> networksolutions.com should be ok ... is it for your own domain ?
[02:59] <RichEd> ogra: 1 is for me and 1 for the community site ... I've used network solutions in the past, but they kept on trying to sell me "value added services" and I don;t need or want a web site and all the stuff they try to flog you. Just the domain name records to be established and maintained.
[02:59] <highvoltage> RichEd: also depends what the domain ends with. if it's a local domain then http://co.za and http://org.za are good (they are cheap, fast, and reliable)
[02:59] <RichEd> highvoltage: yep ... I'm a past good friend of the uniforum :)
[03:00] <RichEd> looking for .org so needs to be international
[03:00] <highvoltage> heh, ok.
[03:00] <RichEd> Is org.za still with IS ?
[03:00] <ogra> RichEd, i'm not talking about "value added services" ;) if you want to change the registration (another admin-c entry or simple address change) at some point, some are good and some are not ;)
[03:01] <ogra> shouldnt company related sites not be registered by the company ?
[03:01] <RichEd> ogra: ^^ point taken ...
[03:01] <ogra> i'd ask znarl or elmo about the community site registration
[03:28] <RichEd> anyone dealt with: www.namesecure.com before ? good or bad ? they are bare service bones at 50% of network solutions cost
[03:50] <ulinskie> hello
[03:50] <ulinskie> where can I find presentations on edubuntu
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <RichEd> hello bddebian
[04:37] <bddebian> Hello RichEd
[04:37] <tomveens> Hello Both!
[04:38] <bddebian> Hello tomveens
[04:44] <tomveens> got plans for today?
[05:11] <bddebian> tomveens: Yeah, work :-(
[06:47] <nixternal> RichEd and anyone else..i received an email from a gentleman in Wisconson (US) that has been tasked with finding a replacement for Windows for an elementary school system and High School. I am replying to his email, but I wondered if I could CC or BCC anyone so you could provide more info and maybe help this guy out?
[06:47] <nixternal> he has chosed Ubuntu already, and thinks he burned the CD wrong
[06:48] <nixternal> s/chosed/chosen
[06:48] <nixternal> in the email I am letting him know about Edubuntu as well, but I think this email/information would be better sought out and completed by one of you if possible
[06:54] <pygi> ogra, cbx33 : ping
[06:56] <pygi> ahm, ok, you're not here probably
[07:04] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <pygi> LaserJock: what?! :P
[07:08] <LaserJock> you like pinging people a lot :-)
[07:09] <pygi> LaserJock: well, considering I'll be here for next 5 minutes, and then I'll be able to come online in a week or so...
[07:09] <pygi> I'd like to speak with them :P
[07:09] <pygi> moving, no internet, stuff :)
[07:10] <pygi> and considering I'll be eaten .... :P
[07:10] <LaserJock> haha
[07:11] <pygi> if only you would understand why, then you'd knew there is nothing to laugh about :P
[07:12] <LaserJock> but a break from internet will be good for you :-)
[07:12] <pygi> ergh, not really :)
[07:13] <pygi> really  gotta run now, sorry :)
[07:26] <cbx33> *bah* I missed him
[07:29] <cbx33> ping RichEd
[09:39] <juliux> ogra, evening, i know that you have a evo t20 thinclient, how good is this thinclient?


[01:11] <lagunaloire> well the updates to xserver today did not seem to change anything and did not fix the flickering drop down menu options in thunderbird when you right click on an email
[01:12] <lagunaloire> so i guess the fix will have to wait for later
[01:13] <lagunaloire> at least the updates did not seem to mess up any of the programs that ARE working
[01:21] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: Have you noticed yet that Thunderbird might be broken?
[01:25] <lagunaloire> jhtuchins..yes it might be..since evolution doesn't flicker but thunderbird works ok on windows and gentoo linux
[01:26] <lagunaloire> jhutchins but i am not using xwayland on gentoo just x
[01:27] <lagunaloire> jhutchins but ubuntu uses gdm display manager for gnome which is running on xwayland
[01:29] <lagunaloire> jhutchins and that might be what is making the thunderbird drop down menu options flicker where you cannot select an option
[01:31] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: It does sound like wayland is a possible culprit.  I have seen others who had problems with it.
[01:31] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: Most of them eventually just switched to X so they could get on with their lives.
[01:31] <lagunaloire> jhutchins well its just a guess since it works on just x with gentoo
[01:31] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: It's good that wayland is out there being tested, the problems are at least being identified.
[01:32] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: So obviously, try x on Ubuntu.
[01:32] <lagunaloire> jhutchins..well bugs will keep being worked on..that hasn't changed in 25 years on linux...and it is not critical since i can still get my email with evolution
[01:34] <lagunaloire> jhutchins i already have stuff working with x on gentoo...so i don't need it on ubuntu...i would rather see how gnome and apps progress on xwayland on ubuntu
[01:35] <jhutchins> lagunaloire: It might be interesting to try Thunderbird on something other than Gnome with Ubuntu.
[01:37] <lagunaloire> jhutchins well i might try to install a minimum plasma desktop on ubuntu..and then see how thunderbird behaves on plasma but if its xwayland that won't make any difference
[01:42] <lagunaloire> jhutchins i will try to put a minimum plasma desktop now..but it is about 300 files with the libs so it might take a few minutes
[01:43] <lagunaloire> jhutchins since plasma has xwayland protocols options
[01:45] <lagunaloire> jhutchins well plasma wants to use sddm display manager instead of gdm3 but i think i will just keep gdm3 as the default for now
[01:57] <Kevin`> how can I enable holding the down the middle mouse button in wayland? with X, this needs an device xinput entry, but I can't find the equivalent in libinput if there is one https://pastebin.com/C8NJxQ6S
[01:58] <lagunaloire> jhutchins ok let me do a few things and i will check back in in a few minutes
[02:33] <jhutchins> I'll be in lurk mode, but I'm sure you'll find something interesting.
[02:40] <yasa> hello there! how do I replace text inside the file using terminal
[02:43] <enigma9o7> You could use a text editor.
[02:44] <enigma9o7> Depending on if you're scripting it, or want interactive use, you might want sed, you might want nano.
[02:44] <enigma9o7> Plus a million other choices.
[02:45] <enigma9o7> omg i was 10 seconds too late
[02:57] <lagunaloire> jhutchins ok this is plasma on x not xwayland...sddm will not start for some reason beyond me right now...but let me check thunderbird here
[03:00] <lagunaloire> jhutchins ok ..no there is no flickering in the menus when running plasma on just x
[03:05] <lagunaloire> jhutchins thunderbird seems to be ok when just using plasma on x
[03:07] <lagunaloire> jhutchins i am not sure why sddm is failing to start...must be another bug .
[03:14] <lagunaloire> well i will check back in later..it is getting late today and i still have another issue...that the free fallout 3 game from epic does't work on this laptop so i need to work on that
[03:37] <tripp4h> hmm... got this kind of an error report: "An unresolvable problem occurred while initializing the package information. Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message: E:can not open /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.winehq.org_wine-builds_ubuntu_dists_jammy_InRelease - fopen (13: Permission denied), E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened."
[03:37] <tripp4h> is it ok to report bugs here?
[04:04] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: The best way to report a bug like that is to run "ubuntu-bug update-manager" and then follow the on-screen instructions (part of which will involve creating an Ubuntu One account if you don't already have one). Describe in detail what you did to cause the bug to appear, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead. Thank you for taking the time to help!
[04:05] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: However, this looks like it might be user error. If you describe everything here, we might be able to help figure out what went wrong.
[04:10] <tripp4h> may i ask a stupid question or two here? i tried googling but didn't find the information
[04:12] <bankai_> that's one
[04:15] <tripp4h> is there a command to see when you stopped using the computer and then when you started to use it again?
[04:15] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: That's what we're here for :) Also, questions aren't stupid.
[04:15] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: Probably, lemme see...
[04:16] <arraybolt3> tripp4h: I think the "last" command is what you're looking for.
[04:17] <arraybolt3> It shows a list of login data, though I'm not quite sure how to parse it, "man last" should help.
[04:17] <arraybolt3> You also probably only want some of the first entries from it, since it shows me entries all the way back to when my system manufacturer was still setting up my laptop... which is a bit further back than I need :P
[04:18] <tripp4h> arraybolt3: ok, thanks!
[04:28] <tripp4h> then i'm looking for a gui-tool to compare directories that and their differences, i want to check all the files are there, not binary compare. i heard meld isn't a good tool so i won't use that.
[04:47] <tripp4h> what i need this is for i got a new phone, and want to make sure all the files were correctly transfered. the program should also check that the filesizes are the same.
[04:49] <durko03> Hello, I just upgraded from 20.04 to 22.04 and there are some issues right of the bat, font rendering in messed up and text has abnormally large spaces and the system feels laggy on boot
[04:50] <bparker> cool story bro
[04:50] <bparker> luckily for you we have experts in 'messed up'
[04:50] <bparker> just kidding, that means nothing at all
[04:51] <bparker> seriously, not even a screenshot? the GPU you're running? nothing?
[04:51] <bparker> just 'it broke'
[04:51] <durko03> give me a inute
[04:52] <snakey_hiss> v.22 hates me as well, especially on a HDD
[04:56] <lv426res> tripp4h: unison
[04:57] <durko03> my bad for the delay, link to screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/A2x8B9l
[04:57] <toddc> tripp4h: I think fslint is a gui the should work it shows duplicates size and dates
[04:59] <durko03> terminal font rendering is fine but gnome panel text has weird spaces in between (first image in the link)
[05:27] <tripp4h> i'll try those, thanks lv426res and toddc
[07:54] <ojoj> which version do you use?
[08:32] <vp6> hi
[08:54] <mncheck> ravage, yes, how do you get list of editors that doesnt define Provides: editor in package level?
[09:07] <mncheck> editors for plain text
[09:42] <woopsie> Can you tell me what is this strange bug? I'm using 22.04.1 in the cloud (oracle) and after a while, two errors -bash: /dev/null: Permission denied appear when I re-login to the system via ssh. Fixed via chmod 666 /dev/null but after a while they appear again.
[09:42] <nikolam> Can netplan be set to actually detect if link is down up to the internet, not only if it is physically disabled (like with route metric)?
[09:43] <nikolam> I had internet not working further down the pipe on one link , and netplan was not giving me internet connection unless I manually disable non-working link..
[09:43] <nikolam> Or is it a job for something else besides netplan?
[09:44] <ogra> nikolam, netplan only generates configs for other tools ...
[09:44] <ogra> i.e. either for systemd-networkd or for network-manager
[09:44] <geirha> woopsie: sounds like something has replaced /dev/null with a regular file. It should be a character device node
[09:45] <nikolam> ogra, yup I see. I now know that just putting route metric on interface is not exactly HA for 2 connections..
[09:45] <geirha> mknod -m 666 /dev/null c 1 3
[09:46] <ogra> nikolam, what i meant is that your question is wrong ... you should look at the backend you are using to find your answer
[09:46] <woopsie> geirha: oh, let me try this...
[09:47] <geirha> but the real problem is finding what is replacing /dev/null in the first place
[09:47] <nikolam> ogra, so on the level of systemd-networkd or network-manager then.. ?
[09:47] <ogra> yeah
[09:47] <nikolam> ogra, thanks!
[09:48] <woopsie> geirha: I'm not very familiar with it all. How can I figure out what the problem is? It shows up even on clean images.
[09:48] <nikolam> yeah it says in /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml : renderer: networkd . yeah.
[09:48] <geirha> woopsie: what does ls -l /dev/null say about it when you get the error?
[09:49] <woopsie> geirha: crw------- 1 root root 1, 3 Oct 23 11:31 /dev/null
[09:50] <geirha> ah ok, so it's not what I thought. Just the permissions that are messed up; 600 instead of 666
[09:50] <woopsie> But what could be causing this?
[09:50] <geirha> if the image ships with it that way, then that's a bug with the image, I'd say
[09:51] <woopsie> Oh.
[09:51] <woopsie> geirha: so, chmod 666 /dev/null is enough to "fix" this at this point?
[09:51] <woopsie> I ask oracle support about this.
[09:53] <geirha> yes, that's a work-around until it gets fixed
[09:53] <mjt0k> /dev/null *should* be 0666
[09:54] <mjt0k> a hell will broke on a system if it is 0600
[09:54] <woopsie> geirha: People say on the forums that it is a broken oracle script when container is created...
[09:54] <mjt0k> everything assumes it is world-read-writable
[09:54] <woopsie> Amazing...
[09:55] <geirha> oracle is absolutely horrible at writing shell scripts, so no surprise there
[09:55] <woopsie> But "enterprise"....
[09:55] <woopsie> impossible
[09:55] <mjt0k> what other devices in /dev are like this?
[09:55] <mjt0k> /dev/zero?
[09:56] <mjt0k> (it too should be 0666)
[09:56] <geirha> "Just run everything as root" - Oracle, probably
[09:56] <mjt0k> /dev/tty?
[09:56] <woopsie> geirha: this problem appears as root too. I cant use apt update, for example as normal.
[09:56] <woopsie> mjt0k: let me see
[09:57] <woopsie> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Oct 28 09:56 /dev/tty
[09:57] <woopsie> zero same
[09:57] <geirha> I thik apt runs som processes as apt user
[09:57] <woopsie> gpg keys fails too
[10:02] <mjt0k> fwiw, just yesterday I come across dash bug with redirections failing under -e
[10:02] <mjt0k> for foo in bar; do stuff; done >/dev/null -- it is supposed to fail if /dev/null redirection failed. but it continues without actually executing a loop
[10:03] <mjt0k> so.. it might have interesting results
[10:03] <mjt0k> like something appears as done/completed but actually it is not
[10:04] <mjt0k> https://bugs.debian.org/1017531
[10:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1017531 in dash "dash: for/while/if suppress errors from redirections with -e, POSIX violation" [Important, Open]
[10:04] <mjt0k> (needless to say I come across it the hard way ;) )
[10:06] <mjt0k> speaking of the corporations doing such things - this has always been the case with many of them. they need cheapest prices for the work, so hire cheapest programmers who're asked to make a shiny great new release yesterday
[10:10] <geirha> Seems to be consistent for all compound commands except ()
[11:09] <webchat98> Is anyone having trouble with wayland after the upgrade from 22.045 -> 22.10 ?
[11:09] <webchat98> *22.04 -> 22.10
[11:53] <ldericher> I'm on Ubuntu MATE 22.04. When I right-click for context menu of e.g. the recycle bin in the file manager (caja), I need to *scroll* to get to "empty trash bin" which is weird/mildly annoying. anyone else?
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: maybe^
[12:41] <dc> When i right click a folder in ubuntu desktop and share it, it creates a samba share, where is that configured? I don't see it in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:42] <ioria> dc have you checked /var/lib/samba/usershares ?
[12:42] <dc> i have not
[12:43] <dc> ioria: i see a directory which looks similar to what i shared there
[12:43] <dc> how does this work?
[12:43] <ioria> i guess it is set by nautilus-share pkg
[12:44] <dc> wow usershare_acl syntax...
[12:44] <dc> What is this #VERSION 2 prefix?
[12:44] <dc> or comment
[12:45] <dc> oh smb version :) is there not a 3?
[12:47] <ioria> dc you mean the protocol version ?
[12:47] <ioria> dc run 'sudo smbstatus'
[12:47] <dc> At the top of my share file in the location you told me to check, i see #VERSION2, but my understanding is i should be using smbv3 for performance?
[12:48] <ioria> run 'sudo smbstatus'
[12:48] <dc> I see SMB3_11 under the protocol
[12:48] <lponcet> s
[12:52] <ioria> dc if it's reported as 3, 3 should be  in use
[12:52] <lponcet> ls
[12:52] <lponcet> sorry
[12:52] <dc> i guess ill accept it as is ioria
[12:52] <ioria> ok
[12:53] <dc> ioria: another problem. i just right click shared a folder to test and gave it all the permissions under the local sharing tab
[12:53] <dc> I mounted the folder now on another machine (macos) and it's saying its read only
[12:53] <dc> I ticked "Allow others to create and delete files in this folder"
[12:55] <ioria> dc and it has correctly applied  that to the directory ?
[12:56] <dc> ioria: correctly applied what?
[12:56] <ioria> the permissions
[12:56] <dc> ls shows me drwxr-xr-x
[12:57] <ioria> so not
[12:58] <dc> ioria: when i try and change that manually in the permissions tab from "accessonly" to "read and write" it changes the option back
[12:59] <ioria> dc maybe not supported
[13:00] <dc> could this be related to the fact that the drive is mounted using veracrypt?
[13:00] <ioria> dc https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-share/+bug/1956419
[13:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1956419 in nautilus-share (Ubuntu) "local sharing of any directory under home (~) fails due to permissions" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[13:01] <ioria> dc this link might help you (a mac is in use)
[13:02] <ioria> " "other users" needs execute permission on all directories above the shared directory all the way down to the root."
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <dc> ioria: this is a bit messy :)
[13:03] <ioria> samba is always a mess
[13:07] <dc> ioria: what are the alternatives :>
[13:30] <Kartagis> hi
[13:34] <Kartagis> my laptop doesn'y hibernate when I close the lid. I already have HandleLidSwitch=hibernate in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[13:42] <leagueoflegends> what's the preferred way to install haskell in ubuntu?
[13:43] <Habbie> in this channel, the preferred way is to install it from the ubuntu repositories, i believe
[13:55] <alkisg> ldericher: I agree, I'd advice that you file a bug, I'll +1 it
[14:02] <Snuupy> Hi, I'm running into this exact issue - https://superuser.com/questions/1428360/poor-network-throughput-but-double-under-high-cpu-load/1749982 but unfortunately it looks like there hasn't been any answers since OP made this post
[14:03] <Snuupy> if I stress test the CPU and all cores ramp up to 100%, I can hit gigabit throughput
[14:03] <Snuupy> as soon as I disable the stress test, my speeds drop back down to 700mbps
[14:03] <Snuupy> I've tried both rtl8168 and rtl8169 drivers but the symptom remains
[14:03] <Snuupy> is there anything I can do about this?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: an idea could be browsing your specific chipset in launchpad for if there exist a bug on it already
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: perhaps under package 'linux' (the kernel) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: realtek usualy is kernel itchy, so your ubuntu release/kernel matters as details for the volunteers to be able to help you
[14:08] <Snuupy> I'm now on ubuntu 22.10 kernel 5.19, but I tested ubuntu 22.04 kernel 5.15 and kernel 5.19
[14:08] <Snuupy> all had same symptoms on both rtl8168 and 8169 drivers
[14:09] <Snuupy> root@snuminipc:~# lspci -nn | grep Ethernet
[14:09] <Snuupy> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 15)
[14:09] <Snuupy> should I be searching for RTL8111, 8168, or 8411?
[14:10] <Snuupy> I can go ahead and try kernel 6.0 but I have a feeling it might be the same issue again - it does feel like a driver issue
[14:13] <Snuupy> ooh the search term that found the issue was searching "RTL8111/8168/8411"
[14:14] <Snuupy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1943624 links to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1946433 which looks familiar/relevant to my problem
[14:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1943624 in linux (Ubuntu) "Driver r8169 causes very slow download speed due to ASPM" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:14] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1946433 in linux (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Can only reach PC3 when ethernet is plugged r8169" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:16] <Snuupy> I will need some time to read through the bug reports but this looks fitting and last comment says fix is in testing for kernel 6.0 - thanks for the launchpad link lotuspsychje
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> welcome Snuupy you found it
[14:16] <Snuupy> ASPM bug would totally make sense
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> Snuupy: can you recall if you had this issue on 20.04?
[14:19] <Snuupy> lotuspsychje: I just got this device about a month ago so I didn't own it back when 20.04 was released
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> oh ok, i got the same eth chipset and noticed since 22.04 network has been flaky for me both eth and wifi
[14:20] <Snuupy> what device do you have?
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> product: RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[14:20] <Snuupy> isn't that just ethernet? what's the wifi chip?
[14:20] <Snuupy> mine's an intel something
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> and a product: Wireless-AC 9260
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> wich i filed a bug for
[14:21] <Snuupy> root@snuminipc:~# lspci -nn | grep Wireless
[14:21] <Snuupy> 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095a] (rev 59)
[14:21] <Snuupy> ah okay we have diff wireless chipsets
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:21] <Snuupy> is yours a minipc too? lol
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> no, clevo laptop
[14:22]  * arraybolt3 adds this to the list of "world's weirdest bugs"
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> :p arraybolt3
[14:23] <Snuupy> yeah it was a real headscratcher arraybolt3
[14:23] <Snuupy> why does my ethernet go faster if I stress test the CPU?!
[14:25] <melodie> hi
[14:26] <Snuupy> ahh here it is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:27] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: That patch is from 2021, shouldn't that already be in your kernel? Or are you using a mainline kernel?
[14:28] <Snuupy> I'm on 5.19
[14:28] <arraybolt3> Kinetic, right?
[14:28] <Snuupy> last comment says patch will be in for 6.0
[14:28] <Snuupy> yes
[14:28] <Snuupy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1946433
[14:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1946433 in linux (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Can only reach PC3 when ethernet is plugged r8169" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:29] <Snuupy> "This bug is awaiting verification that the linux-oem-6.0/6.0.0-1007.7 kernel in -proposed solves the problem..."
[14:30] <arraybolt3> Oh weird, it's fixed in Jammy but not in Kinetic according to the bug severity markings.
[14:30] <arraybolt3> That's not supposed to happen as far as I know...
[14:31] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: broken in 22.04 as well
[14:31] <arraybolt3> Oh, because it was marked as fixed in Kinetic and then someone else saw it wasn't.
[14:31] <Snuupy> idk why it's marked as fixed
[14:31] <Snuupy> I'm just glad I'm not the only one with this problem, I had no idea how to search for this issue
[14:32] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: Well the fix got merged, so maybe that's not the patch. Jammy was fully updated, right?
[14:32] <Snuupy> yes
[14:32] <arraybolt3> And your kernel was at least 5.15.0-17.17?
[14:32] <arraybolt3> If so, then this isn't the fix most likely.
[14:32] <arraybolt3> (If you were fully updated, the second question is almost certainly "yes".)
[14:32] <Snuupy> it was on 5.15, then I tried 5.19, both did not fix this
[14:33] <arraybolt3> Then either the fix doesn't really work, or it's the wrong fix.
[14:34] <Snuupy> how do I know if it's already included in my current kernel version?
[14:37] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: I don't think you need to, if you have the latest kernel, and the hardware isn't working right, it's a bug. At this point I'd probably run "ubuntu-bug linux" in a terminal and follow the on-screen instructions, describing the problem in detail in your bug report.
[14:38] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: will do, thanks
[14:38] <arraybolt3> Describe what you did (download something), what you expected to happen (full-speed download), and what happened instead (poor speed download), and any additional notes (stressing the CPU causes download speed to increase). Be more detailed than I was just now, but that's the basic idea.
[14:41] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: You may also be asked to try a mainline kernel (in fact, I'd recommend you try it now and then add the info about whether it fixed the problem or not to your bug report). More info on that is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[14:41] <Snuupy> in the field of "In what package did you find this bug?", should I leave it as linux, or change it to r8169?
[14:41] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: Leave it as Linux.
[14:47] <melodie> I meet with issues with Grub2 in Xubuntu 22.04. It creates 3 sets of entries
[14:47] <melodie> also it has become unable to perform dual-booting
[14:48] <melodie> I have been struggling with the configuration files since this issue started. Should I revert back to Xubuntu 20.04 ?
[14:49] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1995108 submitted
[14:49] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1995108 in linux (Ubuntu) "RTL8111/8168/8411 throughput/power/CPU bug" [Undecided, New]
[14:49] <Snuupy> I will try mainline now, please hold
[14:50] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: Thanks!
[14:50] <Snuupy> I don't know if that's the best title to put but I tried lol
[14:51] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: Wow. That is a really good bug report (better than I probably would have made...). Thanks, that will really help!
[14:53] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: well I do work on software and when I read bugreports to fix I always hate it when I'm missing info so I wanted to include everything ;)
[14:54] <arraybolt3> +1
[14:55] <arraybolt3> melodie: Can you run "update-grub" in a terminal, and then share the output of that command with us using a pastebin service like http://bpa.st?
[14:56] <melodie> arraybolt3, I just found some clues
[14:57] <melodie> one, from the § "3 Answers" here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/216215/invalid-efi-file-path/216254#216254
[14:57] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: should I be trying v6.1-rc2 or v6.0.5 here? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[14:57] <melodie> I have added this (hd0,gpt2) to the line "chainloader /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi"
[14:58] <melodie> about the multiple entries, I have now fixed it with the actual grub-customizer available as a ppa
[14:58] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: I'd try the v6.1-rc2, but be warned, that's *not* a stable kernel. In this instance, that's a good thing, but don't use it in production.
[14:59] <arraybolt3> Snuupy: Also you might notice your Snaps stop working when you boot into that kernel. They should start working again when you boot into the original kernel, so if you notice weird stuff like that, don't panic.
[14:59] <melodie> arraybolt3, and also, the docs are not quite right about where to put the configuration for Windows, I have found a clue in one of the scripts, it appears to need being in /etc/grub.d/proxifiedScripts/custom
[14:59] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: no worries it's a testing device so nothing important is installed on it yet, not even any snaps
[14:59] <Snuupy> thanks
[14:59] <melodie> and it needs to replace what is default in there, in case the computer is using UEFI
[14:59] <arraybolt3> melodie: OK wait, that looks like you're trying to write the grub.cfg file manually. Don't do that.
[14:59] <arraybolt3> melodie: update-grub is supposed to generate the file for you.
[14:59] <arraybolt3> melodie: We can reconfigure it to actually work properly if it's not doing things correctly currently.
[15:00] <melodie> arraybolt3, I have not edited grub.cfg by hand
[15:01] <arraybolt3> melodie: Oh, with grub-customizer, OK I get it.
[15:01] <melodie> I have rewritten the file "custom" located under /etc/grub.d/proxifiedScripts/ after I realised that in one of the scripts it states that this is the file which is read, to configure the entry for Windows
[15:02] <melodie> I have adapted it for my UEFI setting
[15:02] <arraybolt3> melodie: Technically the "correct" way to fix the problem is to reconfigure /etc/default/grub so that when update-grub is called, it auto-generated the right file. But if you have a fix that works, fantastic, keep that fix. :)
[15:02] <Tazy> Hi all, I am running ubuntu on my intel up board, and I see that snap is using 10GB of data !!?! and it stuff like firefox and gnome. Is there no way to get non snap packages and to remove all of this?
[15:02] <melodie> arraybolt3, I have had a look in /etc/default/grub and have not found anything that helps me there
[15:03] <arraybolt3> Tazy: 10 GB of disk space data? Or RAM?
[15:03] <Tazy> disk space yeah
[15:03] <Tazy> and I mean this is just a 32GB emmc
[15:03] <melodie> arraybolt3, but for what I have seen just having a look in the grub.cfg file, it seems the multiple entries are generated since the 10-linux-proxy and other proxy scripts all called by update-grub
[15:03] <arraybolt3> Tazy: I don't know how easy it is to un-Snap Ubuntu 22.04, but I know that Ubuntu MATE 22.04 can have Snap removed without too much hassle. Lemme find the link...
[15:03] <melodie> so I will meet with the issue again next time there is a new kernel or so
[15:04] <Tazy> arraybolt3, but like... dafuq, then I need to switch to debian or something cause each time I update the board hangs
[15:05] <arraybolt3> Tazy: Ye-old Ubuntu is rather heavy. On a system that light, running something lighter like Ubuntu MATE might be a really good idea. Plus you can remove Snaps.
[15:05] <arraybolt3> https://ltsp.org/guides/snap/
[15:05] <ioria> Tazy, check 'df -h'; maybe you have some revisions still present
[15:05] <Tazy> I really didn't want to have to go reinstall. and it's running 22.04
[15:06] <Tazy> ioria, I used ncdu and found this https://www.debugpoint.com/clean-up-snap/
[15:06] <arraybolt3> Tazy: Oh, OK. When it updates it hangs? How much disk space is free?
[15:06] <arraybolt3> And how are you updating it?
[15:06] <Tazy> arraybolt3, well according to df , 11G
[15:06] <Tazy> apt update
[15:07] <arraybolt3> Tazy: That doesn't sound like Snap's fault then. apt update won't update your Snaps.
[15:07] <Tazy> true, but still doesn't solve why my snap is like 12GB
[15:07] <arraybolt3> Maybe you can run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" and show us where it's hanging by screenshotting the output when it hangs?
[15:07] <ioria> Tazy, yeah,use that script
[15:07] <Tazy> ioria, didn't seem to help much
[15:08] <ioria> Tazy, then paste 'df-h' ; df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:08] <Tazy> oh maybe this is something related or totally not, but my logs shows copious amounts of tracker-miner-fs service issues
[15:08] <arraybolt3> Tazy: We can also clean up Snaps, but I don't think the Snaps are related to the hanging board. I figure you probably want both fixed, but avoiding the hang would be more important than freeing the disk space.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> Tazy: Oh that's weird, that's the file search indexer.
[15:09] <Tazy> ioria, https://termbin.com/058b
[15:09] <ogra> df -h is nonsense since you see virtual space of the squashfs images
[15:09] <Tazy> yep
[15:10] <Tazy> duf is nice
[15:10] <ogra> i.e. not actually physically used space
[15:10] <Tazy> https://termbin.com/oj7kb duf
[15:10]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk
[15:10] <ogra> the snaps live in /var/lib/snapd/snaps
[15:10] <ogra> du -hcs /var/lib/snapd/snaps/firefox_*
[15:11] <ogra> will give the *actual* physical size of all firefox uses
[15:11] <ogra> *all space
[15:11] <Tazy> https://termbin.com/v9ku
[15:11] <ogra> (or just look at "snap info firefox", it is accurate usually)
[15:12] <ogra> Tazy, right, so firefox uses 240MB ...
[15:12] <Tazy> that just says 250MB
[15:12] <ogra> anything wrong with that ?
[15:13] <ioria> he says snap is using 10GB of data
[15:13] <ogra> oh ?
[15:13] <Tazy> so biggest usage according to ncdu is /var at 6.7 (seems normal), /usr at 6.3GB, and snap is now at 5.8GB
[15:13] <ioria> and / is 61%
[15:13] <ioria> according to df -h
[15:13] <ogra> du -hcs ~/snap/firefox/
[15:14] <ogra> that is the only place firefox stres data
[15:14] <ogra> how much is it ?
[15:14] <ogra> *stores
[15:14] <Tazy> I have left over gnome folders that are like 3GB
[15:14] <ogra> Tazy, du -hcs ~/snap/firefox/
[15:14] <Tazy> 625MB
[15:14] <ogra> see above, this is the only place firefox stores any data on your disk
[15:15] <ogra> everything else is compressed readonly filesystm images that get loop munted in /snap
[15:15] <ogra> (and you ses the virtual represenatatio of the potential content you would get if you uncompressed these img (.snap) files)
[15:16] <ogra> *see
[15:16] <Tazy> I don't think firefox is the cause
[15:16] <Tazy> more gnome https://termbin.com/jr7j
[15:16] <ogra> cause for what exactly
[15:16] <Tazy> old data filling up space
[15:16] <ogra> there is no data
[15:16] <ogra> this is purely virtual numbers for compressed filesystems
[15:17] <ioria> Tazy, you did not use the remove script i told you
[15:17] <ogra> the actual data for these lives in /var/lib/snapd/snaps
[15:17] <Tazy> ioria, I did
[15:17] <ogra> please learn abut what a mountpoint is, how a squashfs image works and how these g together before trashing your filesystem
[15:17] <ioria> Tazy,  btw, about the tracker, check the size : du -sh ~/.cache/tracker
[15:18] <ogra> nothing in /snap is occupying any space
[15:18] <Tazy> trashing your file system?
[15:18] <Tazy> ioria, this script right https://www.debugpoint.com/clean-up-snap/ ? I used that
[15:18] <ogra> if you start trying to remove anything from /snap
[15:18] <ioria> yep
[15:18] <ogra> (which is not actually existing)
[15:18] <Tazy> ogra, I haven't removed anything from /snap
[15:18] <ogra> k
[15:19] <ogra> anyway, ignore what you see in /snap ... it is not there 🙂
[15:19] <Tazy> ioria, I don't have a ~/.cache/tracker folder
[15:19] <ioria> odd
[15:20] <melodie> arraybolt3, I have added my comment to the post that had helped me prior, here https://askubuntu.com/questions/216215/invalid-efi-file-path/1437899#1437899 - I might go to the bugs secion in launchpad to see if there is a relevant bug report where I could add a word.
[15:20] <Tazy> ogra, ah okay so /var/lib/snapd is 3.2GB
[15:20] <ogra> Tazy, right, this is holding the image files that get mounted in /snap
[15:20] <Tazy> seems like old gnome-3 files
[15:20] <Tazy> and one gnome-42
[15:20] <ogra> yeah
[15:20] <ogra> because apps use these
[15:21] <ogra> they are shared framework snaps that provide the respective gnome libs to snap apps
[15:22] <Tazy> o.0 I have 2.8GB of journal logs
[15:22] <ogra> i.e. al apps that have been built for gnome-42 and run as a snap usualy use the gnome-42 snap libraries to avoid duplication
[15:24] <ogra>  snap connections firefox | grep content
[15:24] <Tazy> aah
[15:24] <ogra> ... will show you what an app uses (replace "firefox" with other app syou want info about)
[15:27] <ogra> (if you omit the  app name completely i.e.: "snap connections | grep content" you can see all shared libarry/framework snaps and what uses them
[15:27] <ogra> )
[15:43] <Tazy> okay down to 51% used
[15:45] <Tazy> overall disk space according to df
[15:45] <Tazy> duf says 47
[15:47] <Tazy> ogra, duf makes that squashfs very clear, you can see all the snaps mounted on /dev/loop*
[15:58] <Tazy> okay so now I guess all that is left, is to see why this tracker-miner keeps failing
[15:59] <Tazy> journal logs might help https://termbin.com/bcwn
[16:00] <Snuupy> arraybolt3: mainline kernel does not fix it, added comment to bug tracker
[16:19] <tomreyn> melodie: i think grub developers' generic recommendation in terms of chainloading is: don't do it if you don't have to. in your case - dual boot ubuntu and windows 10 on a uefi system, i'd say: use the uefi boot loader for choosing what to boot, and let each OS install and manage their own efi bootloader.
[16:29] <melodie> tomreyn, thanks, but you still need a working configuration file (else, the ESP partition does have both bootloaders, no issue on this side)
[16:29] <melodie> have a good one
[16:54] <rasta> are going to get a updated version of openssl 3.0.2?
[17:00] <hresco3> Today my builds are failing with errors like this:
[17:00] <hresco3> "
[17:00] <hresco3> E: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_5.4.0-113.127_amd64.deb  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:02] <xx> hresco3: `apt update`
[17:02] <hresco3> I'd guess this is an issue outside my control and another sign that I need to learn how to use aptly to cache the packages I need for my local builds.
[17:02] <hresco3> xx: apt-update && apt-upgrade are invoked pretty early in my build pipeline.
[17:07] <krytarik> hresco3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/5.4.0-113.127/+publishinghistory - so not sure what's wrong at your end.. >_<
[17:07] <hresco3> my puppet manifest includes this: `Exec['apt-get-update'] -> Package <||>` ; meaning I run the apt-get-update resource before applying any Package[] resources.
[17:11] <hresco3> running this build a third time to see if this may have been a temporary network issue.
[17:12] <xx> hresco3: it's not temporary, that file doesn't exist anymore
[17:12] <hl521> Hey, I have an issue for audio on a dell latitude for audio input, the driver (not sure on actual module) is for the Intel Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS
[17:41] <hresco3> I am able to browse from my local desktop to that IP.  Yet, in my third failing build, I see:  `grep Failed.*<IP_ADDRESS> builds/1415/log | wc -l` returning 46 results.
[17:47] <hresco3> from the container on which the build is running, using wget to that IP, I get the index page.
[17:48] <hresco3> Any thoughts on why apt-get fails to find that server, but wget has no problem doing so?
[17:48] <hresco3> this build was working fine only a day or two ago.
[17:57] <jpmh> I trying to set up hibernate on my 22.04 system.  I used the instructions at: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/08/enable-hibernate-ubuntu-21-10/?unapproved=3738296&moderation-hash=946ea2f9fef8062d2d390feeb435b8cd#comment-3738296 but when iI do the  update-initramfs -c -k all - I get a message that no matching swap device is available.  I do have a /swapfile - what am I missing here
[18:01] <xx> jpmh: is the swap in /etc/fstab?
[18:09] <jpmh> xx - fstab contains /swapfile                                 none            swap    sw              0       0
[18:10] <jpmh> and /swapfile none swap sw 0 0
[18:11] <xx> that's right
[18:11] <xx> why are you using -c instead of -u for the update-initramfs?
[18:17] <Kartagis> hi. has anyone replied to me?
[18:19] <alkisg>  Kartagis you may need to re-state your question, I don't see it in the last 2-3 pages of logs above
[18:20] <Kartagis> my laptop doesn't hibernate when I close the lid. I already have HandleLidSwitch=hibernate in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[18:20] <Kartagis> and I rebooted
[18:22] <borked2022> I need help repairing boot on an ubuntu mbr esp zfs grub problem
[18:22] <borked2022> 18:19 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2480236
[18:23] <jpmh> xx using c because that's what the instructions at the web-page I referenced said to use
[18:24] <jpmh> Kartagis: the reason I am asking the questions that I am asking is for the same reason
[18:24] <Kartagis> jpmh: huh?
[18:25] <jpmh> and xx I tried u and the same
[18:25] <jpmh> Kartagis: the reason it does not hibernate is that ubuntu does not have hivernate by default and I am trying to add that
[18:27] <Kartagis> jpmh: even setting HandleLidSwitch to hibernate doesn't do that?
[18:30] <jpmh> Kartagis: that is because hibernate is not there by default, at least as I understand it.  This is why I am trying to install hibernate on my laptop
[18:32] <alkisg> You'll need something like this, to enable hibernation: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1240123/how-to-enable-the-hibernate-option-in-ubuntu-20-04
[18:34] <jpmh> alkisg: and Kartagis the url I used is specific to 22 and that's probably a better choice for Kartagis since he is using 22
[18:34] <Kartagis> what does "no installation candidate for hibernate" mean?
[18:34] <alkisg> I didn't see any links
[18:35] <jpmh> Kartagis: that's exactly why that URL does not work
[18:35] <Kartagis> alkisg: I was just looking at that :D
[18:35] <jpmh> alkisg: I started my thread with it, let me re-post, standby
[18:36] <jpmh> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/08/enable-hibernate-ubuntu-21-10/?unapproved=3738296&moderation-hash=946ea2f9fef8062d2d390feeb435b8cd#comment-3738296
[18:40] <alkisg> jpmh: I assume this guide is using your rootfs UUID and and offset to look for the swapfile inside it? If so, are you providing the UUID of your rootfs?
[18:40] <alkisg> (and why not make a swap partition in this case, which looks much saner...)
[18:44] <jpmh> alkisg: yes - indeed I am specifying to UUID and offset in my /etc/default/grub file and also in  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[18:44] <alkisg> AFAIK with a swap partition you wouldn't need most of that stuff as then resume= automatically defaults to the swap partition uuid
[18:44] <jpmh> alkisg: is there anywehere else I shuld be doing it
[18:44] <alkisg> But it's the uuid of your root partition, not of the swap partition, right?
[18:45] <jpmh> as to why not a partition.  No particular reason, just as an old linux hack I have always used a swap file
[18:45] <jpmh> alkisg: there is no swap parition - remember, I am using a swp file
[18:46] <alkisg> Eh, in the old days hibernation with swap files wasn't even possible :D
[18:46] <alkisg> Swap files also have uuids
[18:46] <alkisg> You may upload the output of `( sudo lsblk --fs; cat /etc/default/grub; cat  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume; sudo update-initramfs -u) | nc termbin.com 9999` if you wish
[18:47] <jpmh> done your command - TY
[18:47] <jpmh> how would I get the UUID of a swap file
[18:48] <alkisg> OK, we'll need the termbin URL it producd in order to see the output
[18:50] <EriC^^> jpmh: sudo file /swapfile
[18:50] <jpmh> alkisg: oops:  https://termbin.com/kjdf0
[18:51] <jpmh> EriC^^: TY - yep - I see the UUID now - and indeed I am using the UUID of the / not the /swapfile
[18:52] <alkisg> RESUME=UUID=resume=UUID=6b2ce25b-bc09-41fa-894f-70f9655fab24 resume_offset=1968128
[18:52] <alkisg> should be instead: RESUME=UUID=6b2ce25b-bc09-41fa-894f-70f9655fab24  resume_offset=1968128
[18:53] <alkisg> I.e. you have an extra resume=UUID there, delete it
[18:56] <jpmh> alkisg: TY so much - not tested that it all works - but at least now there are no errors. so next step needs to be re-boot, so I will have to step away
[18:56] <alkisg> 👍
[19:00] <jpmh> OK - so I have rebooted - etc - alkisg  - the pm-hibernate command generates no error but also seems to do nothing
[19:02] <alkisg> Run `journalctl -fb`, then pm-hibernate, then check for warnings/errors
[19:02] <alkisg> I assume your swap file is bigger than your ram, right?
[19:04] <jpmh> alkisg: TY - indeed : Lockdown: grep: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7
[19:05] <xx> disable secure boot
[19:06] <jpmh> xx: can I do that without doing any damage, and how do I do that?
[19:07] <jpmh> I was reading the manual page and had come to that conclusion too
[19:09] <EriC^^> you disable it from the bios jpmh
[19:09] <EriC^^> should be under booting/security
[19:11] <jpmh> yes, but don't I need to use mokutil on the linux machine too?
[19:12] <EriC^^> nope, not to disable it
[19:12] <EriC^^> you can see if it's enabled using mokutil --sb-state
[19:13] <jpmh> Eric and it is telling me that it is enabled - other than BIOS change and re-boot do I need to do anything?
[19:14] <jpmh> EriC^^: .
[19:14] <jpmh> I'm going to test - so need to re-boot and lose connection -
[19:18] <jpmh> you guys are AMAZING EriC^^ xx and alkisg  - pm-hibernate now works PERFECTLY
[19:18] <jpmh> ty so much
[19:18] <jpmh> this is why I LOVE Ubuntu - the community is amazing
[19:19] <alkisg> !next
[19:19] <alkisg> Eh no cookies?
[19:19] <alkisg> !cookie
[19:19] <alkisg> Meh. We need to standardize these factoids between channels :D
[19:24] <jpmh_> so, guys, with your help I now have pm-hibernate working perfectly - what I do not see how to do is make the close the lid hibernate:  The options only seem to be suspend lockscreen and switch off display
[19:49] <morgan-u2> hello, interesting to know::  in the currently-the-latest Ubuntu-and-chrome when chrome bogs down it auto-quits. Useful to know.
[20:58] <dc> I have some drives on my machine that appear as fuseblk on df -T - i have an idea why they appear as such, but where would they be being mounted in this way? Some startup script? I configured this machine ages ago. Where might i start looking
[21:01] <dc> oh seems this is used for ntfs :)
[21:01] <dc> this is happening automatically, is it possible to over-ride the default params to mount somewhere for this drive? perms are "wrong"
[21:03] <dc> ah /etc/fstab - im on a roll!
[21:04] <Aavar> How can I add a fake printer (print to file for example) for testing?
[21:18] <meloparra> oi
[21:20] <meloparra> hi
[21:20] <meloparra> vihse
[21:21] <meloparra> vishe*****
[22:16] <heptahedron> Hello! I have an issue that I suspect I could just google, but really I'm more interested in finding out how I could go about debugging it myself. I have a lenovo x1 yoga gen 6, which comes with a touchscreen and pen, but the default button mapping has no option to right-click and I can't seem to reassign it in settings
[22:20] <heptahedron> I have, I would say, intermediate experience with linux internals, but I'm unsure how to learn things like this, and I'd really love to have a deeper understanding of the system. If I were to take a guess, I might try to look around systemd to see if any services there seem relevant to processing this kind of input, and then poke around in related
[22:20] <heptahedron> files/drivers I see linked to from that configuration, but it's a shot in the dark
[22:22] <EriC^^> heptahedron: maybe try 'xev' in a terminal use it and see if it registers
[22:23] <heptahedron> EriC^^: that sounds useful, I'll try it--can I ask how you came to know about this utility?
[22:24] <EriC^^> heptahedron: came across it while in this channel :)
[22:24] <heptahedron> ah, well thanks haha
[22:44] <jhutchins> heptahedron: "Mouse" functions are usually managed by the grapical subsystem.  I believe the default is Wayland, which has some serious limitations.  One of the first things to try would be switching to the Xwindows server instead.
[22:45] <jhutchins> heptahedron: You might also look for a driver for that specific model of touchscreen - which will probably only show up under LSPCI - notebook manufacturers use chipsets from separate companies.
[23:20] <faLUKE> hello. Which are Canonical's competitors other than Red Hat ?
[23:26] <_enigma9o7_> Microsoft
[23:26] <_enigma9o7_> Google
[23:32] <jhutchins> FreeBSD
[23:33] <jhutchins> SuSE
[23:33] <jhutchins> http://distrowatch.com
[23:33] <Liowenex> jhutchins, offtopic, see /topic
[23:33] <jhutchins> Apple
[23:34] <Liowenex> If you're responding to faLUKE, enter is not punctuation, it's offtopic.
[23:34] <faLUKE> thanks
[23:36] <Liowenex> faLUKE, Most companies don't compete with each other, Canonical doesn't create Ubuntu, they simply own it. Ubuntu is created by the community. There's no competition between open source projects, only open source projects and closed source ones, so the only real competitors to Canonical, in extension, since they own rights to Ubuntu, are Microsoft and Apple.
[23:37] <Liowenex> But even then, Microsoft and Apple have given back to the open source conmmunity with code changes. So you could argue that they're not even really competitors.
[23:38] <faLUKE> Liowenex: thanks, I was thinking the same thing


[05:34] <Gunner_Sr> greetings, what functionality if any of i8k was introduce into the kernel?
[05:37] <Gunner_Sr> The reason I asked in I notice that the version number is different in gutsy than Massimo's one of 1.25..
[05:38] <mjg59> It hasn't been touched in the kernel since 2005
[05:38] <mjg59> If there's a more recent version externally, the author should push it into the kernel
[05:42] <Gunner_Sr> mjg59: thanks, I saw those updates. I am trying to get in touch with the author to see about getting rev'd for new dell models.
[05:44] <Gunner_Sr> mjg59: a couple of issues I am seeing is that it is not supporting a second fan well, I think this is the GPU one. The other is support for x86_64 support.
[05:47] <mjg59> The recommended way of interfacing with Dells is via libsmbios
[05:47] <mjg59> Dell are pretty anti i8k
[05:48] <Gunner_Sr> yep, I hear you on that one. what tool/app can interface to libsmbios?
[05:49] <Gunner_Sr> mjg59: okay found it. Google'd it. :-)
[05:52] <mdomsch> i8k is somewhat dangerous as the authors don't really know how Dell's SMIs work
[05:52] <mdomsch> libsmbios does
[05:55] <Gunner_Sr> mdomsch: the problem is that without i8k, today their is not good way on managing fans, etc.
[06:05] <Gunner_Sr> thanks. See you all later. Cheers.
[07:53] <kraut> moin
[13:14] <seb128> hi
[13:14] <seb128> is there an ubuntu specific patch which makes /proc/pid/smaps not being user readable?
[13:28] <BenC> seb128: 'cat /proc/$$/smaps' works for me
[13:29] <BenC> seb128: guess you have to own the process
[13:29] <seb128> BenC: I should have specified for an another user process
[13:29] <BenC> seb128: /proc/1/smaps shows 0444, but I can't read it as normal user
[13:29] <seb128> right
[13:29] <seb128> $ cat /proc/$(pidof cupsd)/smaps
[13:29] <seb128> cat: /proc/6049/smaps: Permission denied
[13:29] <BenC> don't think that's ubuntu specific
[13:30] <seb128> that makes gnome-system-monitor not display the memory usage of those processes correctly
[13:30] <seb128> and upstream says it works fine using a vanilla kernel
[13:30] <seb128> 2.6.23
[13:30] <BenC> what about a vanilla 2.6.22
[13:30] <zul> # enable /proc/$pid/maps privacy so that memory relocations are not
[13:30] <zul> # visible to other users.
[13:30] <zul> kernel.maps_protect = 1
[13:31] <seb128> BenC: I'll ask him
[13:31] <seb128> zul: is that a config option?
[13:31] <zul> yep its in /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:31] <zul> default btw
[13:33] <seb128> zul: right, changing that makes it work correctly
[13:33] <zul> seb128: cool
[16:35] <adam__> hi all
[16:36] <adam__> anybody here??
[17:49] <Ludwik> hi
[17:49] <Ludwik> Sorry to bother you, but people in #edubuntu told me you may be able to help me. I work for a high-school in Poland (Europe). We have more than 20 laptops we use in classrooms. In previous Ubuntu versions, at least since 6.06 our WiFi cards worked great. But after upgrading to Gutsy WiFi stoped working
[17:49] <Ludwik> I found a thread about this issue in Ubuntu Forms, but I didn't find the solution
[17:49] <Ludwik> It's a major problem fot us since we use WiFi not only to connect to the internet but also to network the laptops together - share user accounts and data
[17:50] <Ludwik> I'm new here. Is it ok for me to ask such questions on this channel and will anybody be able to help me?
[17:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: what is the WiFi card/chipset make/model/version (PCI ID) ?
[17:52] <Ludwik> it's a rt2500-based PCI card
[17:52] <Ludwik> Here is the thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=582033
[17:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh... I have seen a few issues with the RT drivers during the Gutsy development cycle
[17:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I did fix it for a couple of people but I don't remember how right now
[17:54] <Ludwik> Aha... it shows the avaliable networks, but is unable to connect, at least to our WPA-protected network
[17:54] <Ludwik> Judging from this thread many paople have similar issues
[17:56] <IntuitiveNipple> What kind of WPA? WPA-PSK, WPA2-PSK, AES ?
[17:57] <Ludwik> WPA-Personal, TKIP
[17:58] <Ludwik> (I can change WPA settings in the router, though, if this will help)
[18:00] <IntuitiveNipple> I see your comment in the forum. Have you posted a bug report to launchpad ?
[18:00] <Nafallo> Ludwik: open network + ipsec? :-)
[18:01] <Ludwik> No, but there are other posts saying that there is already one - with a low priotyty asigned, though
[18:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: The best place to register the problem is as a bug report in launchpad; that is where the developers look
[18:04] <Ludwik> IntuitiveNipple: but there is already bug 126407, so I shouldn't open a new one, should I?
[18:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126407 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[Gutsy] rt2500 driver missing from rt2x00 drivers in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-8-generic (dup-of: 118205)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126407
[18:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118205 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "Gutsy kernel 2.6.22-7-generic missing rt61 module" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118205
[18:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: Is the ESSID hidden ?
[18:05] <Ludwik> No, it isn't
[18:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: no, add a comment on to a bug you feel is most like your experience. Those two you mention aren't the ones though
[18:17] <Ludwik> IntuitiveNipple: 126407 isn't the one? I'm not sure I understand (among other things my English isn't so great), but some people in the forums seem to suggest that the problem is that Ubuntu 7.10 doesn't includes the previous rt2x00.serialmonkey.com legacy driver, and only includes some new beta driver, that dosn't support some things right now.
[18:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: Oh sorry, maybe I misunderstood your problem. You said it won't connect. That's different to using a different driver.
[18:19] <Ludwik> The problem is it shows the avialiable networks, but isn't able to connect (at least hen I choose our WPA protected one). I understand (thought I may get it wrong) that some people suggest it's because the new driver isn't complete yet.
[18:19] <Ludwik> *when
[18:20] <Ludwik> (and the old one isn't included anymore)
[18:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: I'd suspect this is a report closest to your issue: Bug #134962
[18:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134962 in network-manager "rt2500: network-manager fails to join wireless networks" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134962
[18:26] <Ludwik> Yeah, I guess that's it. Thank you.
[18:26] <Ludwik> Also, at this very moment in the forum thread someone added a link to this instructions - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=584657
[18:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: If you can attach the output of lspci -nn so the precise chipset ID is known
[18:27] <Ludwik> To the bug repport? Ok.
[18:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: That forum thread you just pointed to - that reminded me that I also discovered the 'set' failure issue and I found a workaround for that user, but I can't remember now how we did it
[18:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: But I know for one of the users I helped, I did build a the kernel module for them, so that might have been it
[18:40] <Ludwik> (I posted a new post to the bug 134962, and I see you also did so)
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134962 in network-manager "rt2500: network-manager fails to join wireless networks" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134962
[18:51] <Ludwik> IntuitiveNipple: I have to go. Thank you very much for all your halp, really. I obviously subscribed to the bug, so I'll recived all the updates.
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Ludwik: I'll do some digging but I don't have access to an rt2000 device so I can't do much more
[18:53] <Ludwik> ok, thank you anyway
[20:37] <zul> interesting i have volume muted but I can still hear sounds coming out of my speaker
[21:53] <pina> if you've been hacked, how can you find out what has been changed/added or compromised in the server
[21:53] <pina> look at binaries?
[21:53] <pina> or the kernel?
[21:54] <pina> like a "ps" that's been modified to not show the attacker's processes
[22:34] <glance> gutsy kernel pepole around?
[22:35] <glance> im wondering why the downgrade of unionfs?
[22:35] <glance> the downgrade broke a lot of stuff, and it was quite late in the process.
[22:42] <mjg59> Because the new version doesn't work
[22:43] <mjg59> It's unusably unstable right now
[22:43] <Nafallo> mjg59: hi mate :-)
[22:45] <glance> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/150788 sas something about a backport of some bugfix?
[22:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150788 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "unionfs problems with linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-13-generic_2.6.22-13.34_amd64.deb " [Undecided,New]
[22:46] <mjg59> Yes, it didn't work
[22:46] <mjg59> Or, rather, it partially worked
[22:46] <mjg59> But we were still getting oopses
[22:48] <glance> hmm...
[22:48] <glance> what was the problem with the newer unionfs?
[22:49] <mjg59> It's unusably unstable right now
[22:49] <glance> it worked in the cases i tested.
[22:49] <mjg59> And it didn't in the cases we tested
[22:49] <mjg59> Like, say, the install CDs...
[22:50] <glance> hmm,... =/ ok.
[22:50] <glance> thats reason to kick it out.
[22:51] <mjg59> We needed something that works for the CDs. It can be updated afterwards if necessary, but the CDs are kind of final...
[22:51] <glance> yes, im using unionfs in fai so i can update,
[22:53] <glance> tought it was time to reinstall my testclients to get them in a good state now when the release is done but it brok.
[23:04] <glance> hmm.. a old kernel, my favorite hex editor (vim) on the version magic and the problem is solved.


[04:43] <Bashing-om> !info darktable cosmic
[21:01] <avis> anyone have any ideas for ubuntu for the next release ?  new features, things it didn't have.  things that don't cause it to die
[21:04] <avis> did you all go to the ubuntu release party that only happens online ?


[02:36] <stormmore> hi so I am doing my first PoC deployment and I am trying to understand why I am having problems getting juju to deploy lxc containers
[16:45] <agunturu> Hi, I am trying to use charm actions, and all the charm actions seem to be failing with “Permission denied”.
[16:45] <agunturu> root@juju:~# juju action fetch 7b9b575d-7853-49d9-82ae-7b9fd3d1a6f7
[16:46] <agunturu> message: 'exec: "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-cwaio-cwims-vnfd-b-3/charm/actions/create-update-user":
[16:46] <agunturu>   permission denied'
[16:46] <agunturu> status: failed
[16:46] <agunturu> timing:
[16:46] <agunturu>   completed: 2016-02-14 16:35:42 +0000 UTC
[16:46] <agunturu>   enqueued: 2016-02-14 16:35:41 +0000 UTC
[16:46] <agunturu>   started: 2016-02-14 16:35:42 +0000 UTC
[16:46] <agunturu> Appreciate any help on this.
[18:45] <Dystrakti0n> This may be more of a maas question, but it's also a bootstrapping question. I have recently installed 40Gbe infiniband with switch {Mellonox} between a homebuilt server/ ZFS NAS, which is hosing my MAAS nodes. Nodes are connected to the internet via stand alone PFSense box, one netgear 24port prosafe POE, and a Cisco 48 port managed switch. PFSense is forwarding all BootP requests to MAAS box,
[18:45] <Dystrakti0n> but handling all other DHCP/DNS requests. IMPI works for enlisting and initial provisioning of nodes. I am wanting to put the Jujubox into a VM, pass both the Gbe Lan and IB networks to the VM, then be able to deploy clusters, or openstack via JUJU using the IB network for the storage network, lan for command and control/inet I have an R900 with 4 hex core 1.8Ghz processors, 120 Gb ddr2 5300F,
[18:45] <Dystrakti0n> connected to a Tesla S1070, and Tesla S2090. linked to IB and Ethernet, 2 Dell C6105 3 node servers, 2 Dell 2950s, 2 reporposed dualcore nodes, and a couple of home built boxes. All set to boot from pxe over the lan link, but also connected to the IB network. MAAS is handling DNS/DHCP for IB subnet, but not eth0. I have gotten a VM enlisted and configued in MAAS but it times out when trying to
[18:45] <Dystrakti0n> bootstrap Juju, I have already set the juju timeout to 3600 in the config. Thoughts?
[19:05] <Dystrakti0n> anyone?
[20:01] <stormmore> can any help understand what ERROR saving bootstrap endpoint address actually means?
[21:29] <stormmore> is there a way to get juju to “redeploy” a machine and it’s services?
[21:34] <blr> stormmore: I generally rely on `juju destroy-machine --force, juju upgrade-charm, juju add-unit
[21:35] <stormmore> would that work for bundles too?
[21:35] <blr> stormmore: there may be a more elegant way to achieve the same thing, I'm uncertain.
[21:35] <stormmore> that is still more elegant that destroy environment and rebuild when one machine doesn’t come up in time
[21:37] <blr> right, much faster than that.
[21:37] <stormmore> I have already lost a machine this weekend as it won’t respond to wakeonlan anymore
[21:40] <stormmore> I blew the lab manager’s mind when I showed him MAAS last week
[21:40] <blr> hah yeah, MASS is pretty cool.
[21:40] <blr> err MAAS even.
[21:41] <stormmore> it was what he wanted a few years back and never got
[21:42] <stormmore> but wow does juju really make maas powerful :)
[21:42] <stormmore> my mine was almost blown away with juju-gui
[21:43] <stormmore> and that is is hard to say about any modern tech for me
[22:09] <stormmore> love watching the juju status --format tabular when launching a bundle using quickstart
[23:22] <stormmore> now if only I could get the networking right on this proof of concept
[23:23] <stormmore> don’t think I have enough routebale IPs for it at the moment... only have 12
[23:57] <marcoceppi> stormmore: yeah --format=tabular is so awesome it'll be the new default in 2.0
[23:59] <marcoceppi> agunturu: are the files in actions/ executable (chmod +x)?


[01:49] <bandit-led> could some one open a .epub in okular and check .xsesssion-errors for me? https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1342.epub  <<-- jane austen
[01:49] <bandit-led> okular libepub filling .xsession-errors with cruft .. example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HbkrGRkFRR/  host info https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sYjNpM4hrC/  okular 20.12.3
[01:49] <bandit-led> opening the epub i linked adds 25k to my xession-errors
[01:50] <bandit-led> or use any epub you have on your computer or any one from project gutenburg
[01:58] <tomreyn> bandit-led: i'll try on a freshly installed Kubuntu 21.04 in a bit (just installing)
[02:07] <tomreyn> hmm this takrs a good while to install the minimal system
[02:07] <bandit-led> kk and your going above and beyoung
[02:07] <bandit-led> beyond i cant type
[02:12] <tomreyn> installation done, installing updates now.
[02:21] <tomreyn> another reboot
[02:27] <tomreyn> bandit-led: so i opened the file and nothing at all was added to (the existing and recently written to file) ~/.xsession-errors
[02:27] <bandit-led> figures :\
[02:28] <tomreyn> bandit-led: i opened it from a temrinal, though, and all the stuff you have in the log went there
[02:28] <bandit-led> could you try from terminal and see if it outputs to stdout?
[02:28] <bandit-led> kk tY!!
[02:28] <tomreyn> it's actually to stderr, not stdout
[02:28] <bandit-led> hmm this might be time to change epub from okular to atril or somthing else
[02:29] <bandit-led> tomreyn, ty i noob most things up
[02:29] <tomreyn> okay if i open the file from the fiile browser (dolphin) then indeed this stuff goes to xsession-errors
[02:30] <bandit-led> how did you open it the first time desktop?
[02:30] <tomreyn> okular is installed by default on kubuntu, this makes me think it is assumed to "work ok"
[02:30] <tomreyn> the first time i opened it from the temrinal
[02:30] <tomreyn> so konsole
[02:31] <bandit-led> so its a filemanager stderr issue?
[02:31] <bandit-led> just throwing things out, no clue what i am saying just bouncing ideas around
[02:31] <tomreyn> i think the problem is that okular or the libepub library it uses, defaults to outputting a lot of just informational  (II)  log level to stderr
[02:32] <bandit-led> ok but why would it log it from dolphin and not terminal
[02:32] <tomreyn> (which are then redirected to .xsession-errors if you don't run from a terminal)
[02:32] <bandit-led> somthing is redirecting the log output?
[02:33] <bandit-led> oops sorry,,, ok looks like a bug report or you think this is wanted behavior?
[02:33] <tomreyn> when you are working on a graphical desktop then there is no stderr, so what's written there is written to xsession-errors instead
[02:33] <tomreyn> that's how it's designed
[02:33] <tomreyn> so that's intentional
[02:34] <bandit-led> but the extra libepub info probably not intentional?
[02:34] <tomreyn> but writing so much to stderr about things that aren't actually describing an error situation but merely informational notes on what's being dsone, should not happen. that's a bad configuration of either ocular or the libepub library
[02:35] <tomreyn> i feel like i explained this twice now. ;)
[02:35] <bandit-led> ubuntu bugreport or upstream?
[02:35] <bandit-led> you have i am out of spoons so am not thinking properly
[02:35] <tomreyn> it's clearly a bug in kubuntu, but probably upstream, too
[02:36] <bandit-led> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory if you didnt get my refrence that is offtopic but just fyi if some one else says it
[02:36] <bandit-led> i will post upstream and work from there TY so much for your help
[02:37] <bandit-led> just some one saying oh i see what you mean helps
[02:37] <tomreyn> ubuntu has been using the same upstream libepub version for years now https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libepub0
[02:38] <tomreyn> libepub is part of ebook tools, which had its latest release in 2016 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ebook-tools/
[02:39] <tomreyn> actually 2012
[02:39] <bandit-led> i figure that somthing got turned on in testing and not turned off on install... not correct terms but the idea makes sense?
[02:39] <tomreyn> but bug reports dont seemto have been handled since 2016
[02:40] <tomreyn> https://sourceforge.net/p/ebook-tools/bugs/
[02:40] <bandit-led> logging=4 instead of logging =2 in the build options but i couldnt figure it out looking at the source
[02:41] <bandit-led> and no the logging # i used are not correct
[02:41] <tomreyn> somehting like this, yes. either the lib is built with too high a log level or okular fails to set it properly when using the lib. but more likely it's the lib's build process setting a bad default
[02:42] <tomreyn> i think your best option is to report this against debian, then against ubuntu as well, and link the ubuntu bog to debians
[02:42] <tomreyn> or just do ubuntu if you're not sure it also affects debian
[02:43] <bandit-led> kk
[02:44] <bandit-led> i am going to steal some of your reporting for the bug report if that ok wont use your name
[02:45] <tomreyn> sure
[02:54] <tomreyn> bandit-led: slightly related bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359932 makes me think you should indeed be using calibre
[03:26] <tirth> my wifi on kubuntu doesn't have range as it does in windows. wifi: Ralink RT3290
[03:28] <tirth> this happens on windows also but quick restart of wifi drivers fixes it
[03:32] <bandit-led> tomreyn, TY again https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438490 hope this looks ok
[08:53] <manup> allo
[08:53] <manup> bjrs
[09:02] <manup32> allo
[09:02] <manup32> bonne journée a tous
[09:09] <krytarik> !fr manup32
[09:09] <krytarik> !fr | manup32
[09:09] <manup32> oui
[09:09] <manup32> quebec
[09:09] <krytarik> Berlin.
[09:10] <manup32> oke
[09:10] <manup32> thanks for précisions
[09:10] <krytarik> Welcome.
[09:11] <manup32> its time to wake up in quebec 5h am
[09:12] <krytarik> :D
[09:12] <manup32> nice day thanks
[09:13] <manup32> coffee time
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:48] <kitty> hello?
[13:49] <kitty> anybody online?
[13:49] <itu> ( hello kitty!       ^^  )


[01:38] <PerfM> SUP
[01:38] <PerfM> HEY
[01:38] <PerfM> WHERE MY DAWGS AT
[01:39] <PerfM> BARK WITH ME IF YER MY DAWG!


[06:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[18:26] <Unit193> Uhh, so not to bring stuff up again.  But what's the stance on metabot, bestbot, etc?
[19:07] <DJones> Unit193: Given the situation with the host, I'd have to say not good, if not untenable
[19:08] <DJones> bestbot isn't in -bots anymore
[19:17] <Unit193> :(
[19:17] <Unit193> I figured, but figured best to ask.
[19:19] <bazhang> heh !best to ask
[19:20] <bazhang> too soon?
[19:20] <hggdh> heh
[19:30] <MooDoo> evening
[19:33] <IdleOne> !best
[19:34] <IdleOne> was curious if that got updated
[19:35] <Unit193> MooDoo: Moo.
[19:36] <MooDoo> Unit193: :D
[20:36] <rww> "and doesn't reply to CTCP." lol and
[20:36] <Unit193> Think killed shortly after.