[06:15] <Deihmos> i notice ubuntu server updates packages unlike debian that provides just security updates
[06:16] <Deihmos> isn't package updates risky?
[06:26] <andol> There is always a tradeoff.
[06:27] <andol> ...and Debian too provides some updates which aren't neccesarily security fixes.
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> Deihmos: not updating system is a risk
[07:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:38] <kstenerud> cpaelzer: for https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/php7.0/+git/php7.0/+merge/364241 what did you mean by generated code? What should I be comparing?
[08:48] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: when you have e.g. dh_xyz --arg in d/rules that (especially in your case) gets generated into code in the post/pre-rm/inst files
[08:48] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
[08:49] <cpaelzer> depending on your preference you have two ways to "inspect" them to do absolutely what you expect them to do
[08:49] <cpaelzer> #1 is to check the built packes locally - e.g. sbuild and then extract the debs with dpkg -x ... to take a look
[08:50] <cpaelzer> #2 is to check the real thing you use for testing (from a PPA for example) you can check for (recently) installed packages in /var/lib/dpkd/info/<pkgname>.*
[08:50] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: I prefer #2 for most cases but both work
[08:51] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: background - just because you said "restart-after-upgrade" that might not always do the right thing (it should, but then murphy)
[08:51] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: so I got used to check indirect changes to the maintainer scripts in what was generated
[08:51] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: does the above make sense for your current case?
[08:52] <kstenerud> yes I think so. I'll need to look at it to be sure
[08:53] <cpaelzer> ok, let me know if you need more breadcrumbs or a HO to calrify
[10:21] <kstenerud> cpaelzer: actually, I can't find any reference to restart-after-upgrade, even in the PPA that has it. /var/lib/dpkg/info has not a single file with that text in it
[10:22] <kstenerud> I tried running fakeroot debian/rules build manually, but it fails on a patchfile
[10:23] <kstenerud> so it looks like the builder does something different, because the PPA did build successfully
[10:24] <kstenerud> similarly, dpkg-buildpackage doesn't generate anything with restart-after-upgrade
[10:28] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: that is correct
[10:28] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: it is not gogin to be passed literally
[10:29] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: when you tell dh_install init --restart-after-upgrade then instead of prerm:stop + postinst:start it will only to postinst:restart
[10:29] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: fortunately the dh_* tools leave headers
[10:29] <cpaelzer> so e.g. dh_installinit says something like "added by dh_installinit ..." before the snippet
[10:30] <cpaelzer> in these snippets after some checks the final calls to "actually do" things will most likely start like "service ... ", "invoke.rc ...", or "systemctl ..."
[10:35] <kstenerud> cpaelzer: None of the postrm and such files contain service, invoke.rc, or systemctl
[10:37] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: can you point me at your PPA again pleas?
[10:37] <kstenerud> https://launchpad.net/~kstenerud/+archive/ubuntu/xenial-php7.0-restart-after-upgrade-1819033
[10:38] <kstenerud> Actually, there's no such fpm module for php in xenial...
[10:39] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: php7.0-fpm is already the newest version (7.0.33-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)
[10:40] <kstenerud> I get:
[10:40] <kstenerud> E: Package 'php7.0-fpm' has no installation candidate
[10:40] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: apt update after new container maybe?
[10:42] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6CFVNmCSZs/
[10:42] <cpaelzer> looks exactly as I'd hope it would be
[10:42] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: but please take the chance to find it on your own so that you know where/how next time
[10:42] <cpaelzer> this is a copy of /var/lib/dpkg/info/php7.0-fpm.* as in-archive vs your PPA
[10:43] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: once you had the time to digest this let me know if you are fine now or if you need more
[10:43] <kstenerud> is there a tool you're using to download these files?
[10:44] <kstenerud> or do I have to spin up containers to get them?
[10:51] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: I used containers, but as I mentioned before you can also just get the .debs and use dpkg -x
[10:52] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: when looking at your PPA you can always go to "View Package details" and then flip-open the package of your interest. When you click on one of the builds you will getto e.g. https://launchpad.net/~kstenerud/+archive/ubuntu/xenial-php7.0-restart-after-upgrade-1819033/+build/16468276
[10:53] <cpaelzer> and there the debs are with proper links (e.g. you can wget them)
[12:16] <kstenerud> cpaelzer: OK, I'm still not clear on how the service will be down during the upgrade, or how this patch fixes it. It looks like it's just checking to see if a param is "configure" or "abort-upgrade", and then checks for files, then sets an action name based on that. But what does it all mean?
[12:36] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: this calls for a HO to help you removing some of the maintainer-script-mist
[12:36] <cpaelzer> kstenerud: I'll wait in the standup for when you are ready
[12:36] <kstenerud> ok
[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage: sahid: looks like we're almost done with dependency updates for stein. I'll plan to pick up on what's left during my afternoon today.
[13:44] <Ussat> no nagios4 ?
[13:46] <leftyfb> doesn't look like it
[13:47] <leftyfb> oh wait, it's there. In 18.10 and newer
[13:47] <leftyfb> https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/nagios4
[13:47] <Ussat> ok
[14:37] <foo> Repeat in case someone happens to know: I'm looking for a monitoring system that has an API that I can feed an IP address (publicly accessible) and it can "onboard" that IP and then monitor. Specifically, I'd like it to determine how it can be monitored - eg. what ports are open, what ports share a banner, is it pingable - then share back when the system goes offline via an API and via whatever it
[14:37] <foo> originally found to be "onboarded." Maybe with a confidence score. eg. if 6 ports are open, and it's pingable, and everything goes unresponsive... it's likely it's all offline. Or, if 6 ports open and it's not pingable and 1 port closes, then there "may be" an issue. Does nagios or zenoss or something else happen to provide something like this? Or do we need to roll our own system
[14:49] <lordcirth> foo, so, you want it to auto-scan the IP, and monitor everything it sees?
[14:51] <foo> lordcirth: yes, and then report back if something goes down, with a % of what went down based off ports, etc. Not sure how granular I can get with different systems but I suspect something out there allows for such - hence my ask. Thank you for clarifying
[14:55] <lordcirth> I'm sure there is such a tool, but I don't know off the top of my head
[14:57] <nacc> cockpit ?
[15:04] <tomreyn> pandora fms has auto discovery
[15:05] <tomreyn> also opennms and netxms
[15:07] <tomreyn> zabbix, too, and observium. and probably a lot more.
[15:14]  * RoyK prefers zabbix
[15:23] <RoyK> foo: keep in mind that most of these tools requires an agent installed on the monitored OS. Some will work with snmp too, but then, you'll need to allow snmp access to the system and setup what to monitor
[16:09] <foo> tomreyn: opennms, haven't heard of that in a while.
[16:13] <tomreyn> foo: it's still being developed, and in use by some larger corps
[16:13] <foo> tomreyn: yup, I've seen it, may have used it at one point, it skipped my mind. Appreciate you sharing
[16:14] <foo> What I'm not sure on is exact process for discovery
[16:14] <foo> But I can investigate further
[16:14] <tomreyn> as Roy said, most use snmp.
[16:15] <tomreyn> but there are also some which use common ports, such as ssh, telnet (yes!), rdp, etc.
[16:18] <foo> The challenge is I don't know anything about the end system... but it sounds like this isn't exactly a unique problem
[16:18] <foo> I'll have to look more into snmp and how that works
[16:19] <tomreyn> a former employer of mine decided to move from a stone age nagios distribution to an SaaS monitoring solution which does SNMP discovery, from the internet. they do offer their own snmp (and  more protocols) discovery gateway you can install on your network, as a blackbox, so to have a somewhat controlled way into your network. but it's effectively still a backdoor, seeing how many devices don't support setting fine grained permissions via
[16:19] <tomreyn> snmp.
[16:19] <tomreyn> the most crazy management decision i've ever seen so far.
[16:20] <tomreyn> so you do want to host monitoring yourself, at least the main system.
[16:22] <foo> tomreyn: I'm ok with a third party doing stuff (even if it's locally), if anything I'd want an API to connect into to feed an API, webhook to report to, etc.
[16:22] <tomreyn> foo: are you referring to a single system to be monitored?
[16:22] <foo> tomreyn: thousands via Internet
[16:22] <foo> all we have is IP, nothing else.
[16:23] <foo> and nothing else to be set up (at least, at this point in time)
[16:23] <tomreyn> are your systems all on the internet then?
[16:23] <tomreyn> are all your systems on the internet then?
[16:23] <tomreyn> ^ grammar fixed ;)
[16:24] <foo> (thank you, grandma's life could have been saved) not necessarily, we mainly want to track whether or not a location's internet went down (well, I'm saying "we" but I'm asking on behalf of someone else)
[16:25] <tomreyn> are those many different / separate locations / networks then?
[16:26] <tomreyn> not like many devices in one place / network?
[16:26] <tomreyn> so more like IoT rather than 3 data centers?
[16:28] <RoyK> better use an agent - you'll get access to more data
[16:28] <RoyK> not all services etc export their stuff to snmp
[16:29] <foo> tomreyn: yes
[16:29] <foo> RoyK: yes, that's on the radar at some point... that requires a ton of other stuff, moving parts, etc, so we're curious on what we could get with just an IP
[16:29] <RoyK> and snmp is quite old and personally, I don't use it for other stuff than network devices, UPSes etc
[16:30] <RoyK> foo: moving parts?
[16:31] <tomreyn> foo: yes, you'll want some kind of an agent, and a canary like system.
[16:32] <tomreyn> ...running on a well connected (multi-homed) and highly reliable (HA) central system
[16:33] <foo> RoyK: yes, politics, talking with different companies, security procedures, etc.
[16:33] <foo> Agent is ideal, but wanted to start the level before that first... which is not an agent
[16:33] <tomreyn> about service discovery, IMO the best approach is really regular network scans. i don't know if any of these monitoring systems do this, and if they do, how they do it, and how they handle findings.
[16:34] <foo> tomreyn: ... that's my exact challenge. I can build this whole thing to do exactly what I want. But I equally don't want to re-invent the wheel.
[16:34] <foo> To recap: scan an IP and see "what is open" / trackable... eg. TCP response, banners, pingable IP, etc... then monitor that hourly or such and report back % likely down (based off how many "trackable elements")
[16:35] <tomreyn> i bet none of them have a really good implementation for this, so you'll want to choose a fast ipv6 (ideally also ipv4) network scanner which scans lists of addresses for at least tcp (ideally more), and does service detection as well.
[16:37] <tomreyn> you'd need to feed those findings into a montoring system and do anomaly detection along the way, so as to detect relevant changes to existing systems, systems added, systems removed.
[16:37] <tomreyn> and probably someone to review most but not all of these findings.
[16:38] <foo> tomreyn: agreed. So "trackable elements" would be ping, TCP open ports (with associated services if possible), with a backend system to do anomaly detection on a given time schedule... mhmmm.
[16:39] <foo> I'm leaning towards building this if possible
[16:39] <RoyK> foo: what sort of systems will you be monitoring?
[16:39] <RoyK> windows? mac? linux? something else?
[16:44] <foo> RoyK: the most important thing is we're actually monitoring the whole network. Whatever we get from an IP address is more of an indication of "if this network online" or offline
[16:45] <RoyK> perhaps https://nav.uninett.no/ ?
[16:46] <RoyK> it's used in large scale across scandinavian universities and colleges
[16:46] <RoyK> it's not superfancy, but it works well
[16:47] <RoyK> we have a few hundred devices in out installation at work
[16:47] <RoyK> we're using zabbix in addition to that, for more detailed service monitoring etc
[16:51] <foo> RoyK: interesting, I hadn't considered two services - one for discovery, and one for the actual monitoring of what was found... hmmm, that's interesting if I had two APIs. Thank you for sharing that
[16:51] <foo> RoyK: PS. Recently heard Sinne Eeg at a house concert, a Scandanavian Jazz Vocalist... she's awesome.
[16:53] <RoyK> foo: most systems don't cover the whole picture, but using more of them may be a good idea, even if they overlap a bit
[16:53] <foo> RoyK: yeah, that's not a bad idea at all, really appreciate it
[16:54]  * RoyK has been working with system monitoring for 20 years or so and rather likes it ;)
[16:55] <foo> RoyK: Thank you for sharing! I used nagios many years back and am just about wrapping my head around the latest... as long as things have an API I can pull/put from, I can definitely connect the dots and logic
[16:55] <RoyK> I've been using nagios as well and learned to dislike it quite a lot ;)
[16:55] <foo> haha
[16:56] <foo> RoyK: sounds like you like Zabbix, I think I looked at that once long ago
[16:56] <RoyK> v4 came out some months back - seems good
[16:57] <foo> Rad. I wonder if I can do https://nav.uninett.no/ for discovery + zabbix, hmm
[16:57] <RoyK> but they still store passwords in unsalted md5 hashes in the db if you use the local authentication, which isn't very good
[16:57] <RoyK> foo: I beleive uio.no has a thing for that, but I haven't seen the code
[16:58] <RoyK> foo: where're you from again?
[16:59] <foo> RoyK: States, currently California
[16:59] <RoyK> ok - I found an article about this on uio.no, but it's in Norwegian, but perhaps google translate or something can help you  though it https://www.usit.uio.no/om/organisasjon/iti/gid/publisering/overvaaking/zabbix_report.html
[17:01] <foo> RoyK: aha, thank you! ... since I probably couldn't search in Norwegian. Actually, I wonder if searches return other languages if I search in English. hmph. BTW, what country are you in?
[17:01] <RoyK> .no
[17:01] <RoyK> I work for oslomet.no
[17:01] <foo> RoyK: Permission to PM?
[17:01] <RoyK> sure
[17:02] <RoyK> (I work for Keyser Söze :D)
[18:22] <foo> RoyK: BTW, this is helpful: https://screencast.com/t/LnKLwoVL - great to see what's possible with Zabbix here
[18:23] <RoyK> foo: iirc is ping already in the standard zabbix - check_icmp iirc
[18:23] <foo> RoyK: nice
[18:24] <RoyK> foo:     Template ICMP Ping
[18:25] <foo> RoyK: aha, perfect
[20:45] <foo> RoyK: eh, my hand was forced - looks like someone else went in with librenms ... oh well. Looks like they have an API I can integrate with but I was hoping to get Zabbix in play.
[20:46] <foo> RoyK: in any capacity, I might be able to look into zabbix for another system (where I do have more control over the environment and systems)
[21:03] <RoyK> foo: just setup a VM
[21:15] <foo> RoyK: nice, will do - I think I have an amazon instance I can throw this on - thank you!
[23:47] <Marz> ubuntu server gets a lot of updates. i was previously running debian and there aren't that many updates. does upbuntu server update the packages versions?
[23:50] <sarnold> we almost always backport security fixes as necessary
[23:51] <sarnold> mysql we publish new point versions as oracle release them
[23:51] <sarnold> otto from mariadb normally supplies us with new point releases for mariadb updates as they release them
[23:53] <blackflow> ubuntu does more than just security updates. esp. with the kernel. debian however does regular point releases which include bugfixes, and other bumps.


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[10:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[13:08] <blaze> wow, that's a lot of spam here
 Friendly ping on https://phabricator.kde.org/T7854!
 It would be really nice if we don't have to ship Bionic what that ugly blue color for the login and lock screens
 this is a much better login screen though I would prefer the wallpaper not be so brown :)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> i just use my own wallpaper on login and desktops/activities
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 it seems to be working quite well there.
 https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/why-kde-better-gnome/
[21:45] <valorie> not as good an article as i'd hoped though
[21:45] <valorie> but OK
 makeuseof articles are typically like that. That is why i stopped writing for them because they dont pay on effort but rather quantity.
[21:50] <valorie> ick
[22:38] <ronnoc> it's actually not a bad article if approached from the PoV of someone completely ignorant of KDE P and a little of what makes it unique
[22:40] <ronnoc> someone who just wants a quick "show me why I should care" is not likely going to spend a lot of time reading a tome initially :P
[22:40] <valorie> right, which is sort of the forte' of makeuseof
[22:40] <valorie> just the high points
[22:42] <ronnoc> yupp. any press is good press, as they used to say. I did a search for "gnome better than KDE" for the last 12 mos and no shortage of those either. The DE wars rare on.
[22:42] <ronnoc> * rare / rage
[22:53] <valorie> it's just sorta funny because KDE is not a DE
[22:53] <valorie> Plasma is a DE
[22:56] <yofel> old habits live long I guess
[22:57] <valorie> well sure and people always like to see a head to head fight I guess
[22:57] <valorie> KDE name is older and shorter for the headline writers
[22:57] <yofel> popcorn \o/
[22:58] <valorie> yofel: coming to Vienna for Akademy?
[22:58] <yofel> proably not, but haven't really made my mind up yet
[22:59] <valorie> boo, you should come for a few days
[22:59] <valorie> vienna is so beautiful
[22:59] <yofel> I'm not disputing that, great city even though I only spent 3 days there so far. Lets see
[23:00] <valorie> I've spent basically only one, and am really looking forward to a week!
[23:00] <valorie> or nearly a week
[23:00] <valorie> also: seeing KDE and Kubuntu people
[23:00] <valorie> well, primarily seeing them, second for the city
[23:01] <valorie> anyway, I hope it works out that you can come
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[00:30] <perrito666> Redir no one cancelled it it would be us 3 do you guys need anything or would like to discuss anything? If so I am perfectly fine with doing it but will have to wait a bit :p still uploading
[00:31] <redir> perrito666: babbageclunk and I caught up for ~15 minutes compared notes...
[00:31] <perrito666> Cool
[00:31] <perrito666> Just ping me
[00:32] <perrito666> I actually am ircing from the phone with let :p
[00:36] <redir> I've got a new error. That's progress right
[00:37] <perrito666> Yes it is
[00:41] <redir> "hostname": ["Node with this Hostname already exists."]}
[00:41] <redir> helpfule
[00:43] <perrito666> Mm while doing what?
[00:50] <redir> start a kvm instance
[00:51] <redir> here juju.provisioner kvm-broker.go:73 failed to prepare container "0/kvm/1" network config:
[00:52] <redir> digging around in state.prepareorgetcontainerinterfaceinfo
[01:03]  * redir eods
[01:03] <redir> got to go to dinner
[01:37] <blahdeblah> anyone know when 1.25.9 will be released to the stable PPA?
[01:37] <blahdeblah> It's showing as released to centos & windows & tarballs, but xenial PPA is still on 1.25.8
[01:39] <blahdeblah> http://ppa.launchpad.net/juju/stable/ubuntu/pool/main/j/juju-core/ is showing nothing later than 1.25.6!
[05:08] <babbageclunk> Does anyone feel like doing a review? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6735
[05:25] <blahdeblah> Does anyone feel like publishing 1.25.9 to the PPA? :-)
[14:10] <jam> babbageclunk: I made a comment on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6735#pullrequestreview-13765367
[14:11] <perrito666> jam: babbageclunk might be sleeping
[18:18] <bdx> hello all
[18:20] <bdx> I'm experiencing really high controller memory usage for a very small environment, is there a preferred method of gathering controller metrics when submitting other than just manually grabbing things?
[18:20] <bdx> possibly a tool that gathers all the important metrics in one swoop
[18:37] <redir> bdx: try this https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki/pprof-facility
[18:38] <redir> bdx: though you might also check mongod and see how much memory that is using
[20:07] <babbageclunk> jam: thanks! looking now
[20:29] <babbageclunk> rogpeppe: ping?
[20:37] <babbageclunk> jam: you're probably not still around, but I replied to your comment, thanks!
[20:37] <frobware> redir, babbageclunk: easy review ... https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6737
[20:39] <babbageclunk> frobware: yay, looking!
[20:40] <babbageclunk> frobware: LVGTM
[20:40] <frobware> muchas gracias
[20:40] <babbageclunk> frobware: de nada
[20:43] <babbageclunk> frobware: do you mean $$merge$$?
[20:43] <frobware> babbageclunk: ah, crap.
[20:43] <frobware> babbageclunk: oh, well. getting late. :./
[20:43] <babbageclunk> frobware: don't worry, it's just a machine!
[20:44] <frobware> babbageclunk: it'll pass on !!build!!, then fail on $$merge$$ :-D
[20:45] <babbageclunk> frobware: true that
[20:48] <babbageclunk> frobware: you can do them in parallel, you know
[20:49] <redir> $$build$$
[20:49] <redir> !!merge!!
[20:49] <redir> oh, dear
[20:50]  * babbageclunk chuckles
[20:50] <babbageclunk> I always do !!chittychitty!! anyway.
[20:51] <redir> babbageclunk: I almost responded with a !!trulyscruptious!! once. But decided against it
[20:51] <redir> scrumptious even
[20:51] <babbageclunk> redir: that's the best
[20:51] <redir> yeah that and grow the roses
[20:51] <redir> not that I know the names of the songs, I just remember them
[20:52] <redir> sooo close on the kvm bits
[20:53] <redir> just two problems eluding me
[20:57] <redir> Ok maybe just one problems
[20:57] <redir> Ok maybe just one problem
[21:04] <bdx> redis: thanks for the pprof link
[21:04] <bdx> redir:^
[21:04] <bdx> redir: it looks like I have a mongo process thats been hanging around for > 3hrs, and using > 30% of my memory
[21:05] <bdx> another thats been hanging out for > 1 hr, and using > 15% mem
[21:19] <perrito666> Morning redir and Babbageclunk
[21:20] <redir> morning perrito666
[21:20] <babbageclunk> morning perrito666
[21:20] <babbageclunk> I mean, evening.
[21:20]  * perrito666 is queuing in the supermarket
[21:20] <redir> bdx mongo can appear to be using much more memory than it really is
[21:20] <babbageclunk> natefinch: ping?
[21:20] <natefinch> babbageclunk: howdy
[21:21] <perrito666> Hey finch did not realize you where here :)
[21:21] <babbageclunk> natefinch: did you get anywhere with that migration status bug?
[21:21] <natefinch> babbageclunk: totally forgot about it.  I'll work on it tonight.
[21:22] <babbageclunk> natefinch: thanks!
[21:22] <perrito666> Lol all of us are waiting for that one
[21:22]  * natefinch puts it in the kanban this time
[21:22] <perrito666> Is sinzui off for the rest of the week?
[21:24] <natefinch> so I've heard
[21:24] <natefinch> babbageclunk: was there a bug link for that issue?
[21:27] <redir> bdx: see the mongo docs https://goo.gl/u6wFYP
[21:28] <babbageclunk> natefinch: sorry, here you go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1650425
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1650425: migration: migrating back gives "target prechecks failed: model is being migrated out of target controller" <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1650425>
[21:30] <babbageclunk> frobware: other way around - check build failed and merge build passed!
[21:30] <frobware> babbageclunk: I'll take it!
[21:30] <frobware> babbageclunk: "that's the way I like it... " - sing along!
[21:35] <veebers> perrito666: yep, sinzui is off until next year :-0
[21:35] <veebers> err :-)
[22:35] <perrito666> redir: babbageclunk want to do a quick hangout to sync?
[22:35] <redir> sure
[22:35] <babbageclunk> perrito666: yup
[22:36] <perrito666> standup ho?
[22:36] <redir> blew jeans?
[22:36] <redir> HO?
[22:36] <redir> brt grabbing water
[22:36] <babbageclunk> i'm there already
[22:38] <perrito666> bluejeans
[22:38] <perrito666> sorry
[23:46] <perrito666> I would really appreaciate a review of https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6738


[05:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: asahi-audio [amd64] (noble-proposed/none) [1.6-1] (no packageset)
[09:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added qtilitools to lubuntu in noble
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[09:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added redshift-qt to lubuntu in noble
[09:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted asahi-audio [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1.6-1]
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[11:54] <xnox> vorlon: re Debian bug #737634  isn't that needed for like all of the kernel packages in ubuntu? i.e. linux-signed linux-meta linux-restricted-modules linux-restricted-signatures all use "the same non-native version number as src:linux" whilst themselves being native packages. Because otherwise everyone gets confused.
[11:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 737634 in dpkg "dpkg: Allow overriding is_native version checks in dpkg 3.0 Native." [Wishlist, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/737634
[11:54] <xnox> xnox: so sort of, in ubuntu, we need it.
[12:02] <xnox> vorlon: commented on the bug report
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella.cmit-latios-meta [sync] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[12:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: oem-stella.cmit-latios-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed/none) [20.04~ubuntu1] (canonical-oem-metapackages)
[13:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: smartmontools (jammy-proposed/main) [7.2-1build2 => 7.2-1ubuntu0.1] (kubuntu)
[13:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (mantic-proposed/main) [45.2-0ubuntu2~really45.0 => 45.2-0ubuntu3] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
[13:45] <jbicha> ubuntu-sru: I request expedited review of mutter for mantic since it has important bug fixes that were temporarily reverted to avoid a regression
[13:48] <rbasak> jbicha: I need to write an ML thread on this, but I suggest the opposite. mutter has had far too many regression-update bugs - not just the most recent one. We need to be slow and careful and not rush through another regression.
[13:48] <rbasak> Any chance of an analysis/post-mortems from the desktop team on the multiple previous mutter regressions?
[13:51] <tjaalton> any AA available to review usbio-drivers from noble NEW?
[13:53] <tjaalton> this ^ is needed for a kernel respin.. and best to use the in-archive dkms instead of merging the source to the kernel temporarily
[13:57] <jbicha> rbasak: 45.2-0ubuntu3 fixes several important LP bugs that were briefly fixed in mantic-updates. I think reverting all those fixes introduced its own regression. Neither Andreas nor me were able to duplicate the issue reported in bug 2046360
[13:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2046360 in mutter (Ubuntu Mantic) "Heavy stuttering in Firefox with mutter 45.1/45.2" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046360
[14:01] <jbicha> I ran out of time because of the holidays but 45.2-0ubuntu3 is how I think we ought to have resolved bug 2046360. The big revert worked but wasn't great for people who needed the other fixes
[14:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2046360 in mutter (Ubuntu Mantic) "Heavy stuttering in Firefox with mutter 45.1/45.2" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046360
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted oem-stella.cmit-latios-meta [amd64] (focal-proposed) [20.04~ubuntu1]
[18:21] <tsimonq2> Seems like the systemd/255-1ubuntu1 likes failing. I've retried Vim without it, let's see how that goes.
[18:21] <tsimonq2> *armhf autopkgtest
[18:40] <vorlon> xnox: is_native> meh ok thanks
[18:41] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: in fact, #launchpad is not the place to ask for i386 builds; the whitelist is a packageset attached to the Ubuntu distribution (per-series) and applies to all ppa builds for Ubuntu as well.  So it requires talking to the Ubuntu AAs.
[18:42] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I realized that later, but it's no factor, he doesn't want it.
[18:42] <vorlon> yes
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (mantic-proposed/main) [2023c-9ubuntu1 => 2023d-0ubuntu0.23.10] (core, i386-whitelist)
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[19:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tzdata (jammy-proposed/main) [2023c-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2023d-0ubuntu0.22.04] (core)
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[21:05] <tsimonq2> why do my systemd/armhf retries keep getting eaten
[21:06] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: Could you be more specific?
[21:08] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Above I noted that systemd/255-1ubuntu1/armhf is failing, so I attempted a retry of the Vim in noble-proposed against systemd/armhf without the systemd package in proposed.
[21:08] <tsimonq2> Something is eating my retry request, and I can't seem to figure it out.
[21:13] <bdmurray> So you crafted the url request yourself?
[21:14] <tsimonq2> Nope, I clicked the button right from excuses, which is https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=noble&arch=armhf&package=systemd&trigger=vim%2F2%3A9.0.2189-1ubuntu1
[21:14] <tsimonq2> It shows as being successfully submitted, and it's been a few hours. I don't see it in the running queue or the results.
[21:15] <tsimonq2> (I did this like, twice or three times, to no avail.)
[21:15] <bdmurray> I'll have a look when my mouse starts working again.
[21:15]  * tsimonq2 sends bdmurray a helpful cat
[21:22] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: I'm seeing 403s for those requests and some weird user agents e.eg "The Lounge IRC Client"
[21:23]  * Eickmeyer hopes said cat doesn't get eaten by said retry requests
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: I use that IRC client, but I'm not pressing any retry requests.
[21:23] <ginggs> bdmurray: i think some results of test i triggered recently have gone missing
[21:24] <bdmurray> ginggs: results sounds different than requests going missing
[21:27] <ginggs> bdmurray: could be either
[21:28] <bdmurray> I do see one autopkgtest-web unit with a slightly out of date database
[21:34] <tsimonq2> Shows as successful on the frontend when submitting the request, so I'm surprised you're seeing 403s.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> (I even had to log in with 2FA. :P)
[21:54] <vorlon> so The Lounge IRC Client will blindly follow any urls that you paste in an IRC channel? good to know
[21:56] <ginggs> bdmurray: i can see my missing test results now, thanks
[22:05] <tsimonq2> I'm happy now: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/systemd/noble/armhf
[22:05] <tsimonq2> I'm just curious what Britney will think, given that the latest one is "error."
[22:06] <tsimonq2> I'm willing to bet Britney will go (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ - so if anyone on the release team is inclined to force its hand, go for it.
[22:08] <arraybolt3> vorlon: I hope it doesn't do that, but if there's two 403s from The Lounge, that's probably me and Eickmeyer's IRC clients.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> So, it does because it previews URLs, but it doesn't activate them.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: ^
[22:08] <tsimonq2> That honestly sounds about right.
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I see a migrating Vim. Thanks for all the help. :)
[22:28] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: "activate them"?
[22:29] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: anyway, you should be concerned about your IRC client being convinced to automatically preview arbritrary URLs from an attacker via IRC
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Like a click. It just pulls the page, but it's not logged-in, so it can't do anything, it just 403s. However, since I'm logged-in, if I actually clicked on it, it would open the page in a browser window and act on it accordingly.
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: It's an option in the settings, and it only renders title text.
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: For instance, tsimonq2's link above: https://i.imgur.com/t1sgs62.png
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> If it's a picture, like the one I pasted, it'll render a preview of the picture. It's fairly intelligent.
[22:43] <sarnold> i've been on irc long enough to know that I do not want this feature :)
[22:54] <LocutusOfBorg> Eickmeyer, does it also work for url shorteners? https://t.ly/PnJnA
[22:55]  * LocutusOfBorg stopped ages ago to send malicious links, you can trust that one
[22:55] <Eickmeyer> LocutusOfBorg: Doesn't look like it. Again, pretty intelligent. The Lounge is open source.
[22:55] <LocutusOfBorg> what does it look like?
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't even give me the expansion arrow like tsimonq2's link did.
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> https://i.imgur.com/8FpTxZ7.png
[22:57] <LocutusOfBorg> and what if I unroll it for you? :)
[22:57] <LocutusOfBorg> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[22:57] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't do youtube previews. :)
[22:58] <LocutusOfBorg> :D
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> And I have the sneaking suspicion that's a rickroll.
[22:58] <LocutusOfBorg> please rickroll yourself :D
[22:58] <Eickmeyer> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[22:59] <LocutusOfBorg> LOL
[22:59] <LocutusOfBorg> old funny days
[22:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I won't ever grew up, but people understanding rickrolling are not that many anymore
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> :rofl:
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> 🤣
[23:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ruby-deb-version [amd64] (noble-proposed/none) [1.0.2-1] (no packageset)
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[23:35] <ItzSwirlz> LocutusOfBorg, Eickmeyer : This is the new Gen Z rickroll, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbeeuzU5Qc8
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[00:37] <Riddell> superm1: ok to release images for RC?
[00:59] <Azelphur> how is mythtv 0.24 doing these days?
[00:59] <Azelphur> I'm on 0.23.1 atm
[01:46] <tgm4883> Riddell, I think we were getting some final testing done tonight
[01:46] <tgm4883> Azelphur, 0.24 is pre-beta
[01:46] <Azelphur> I see
[01:47] <Azelphur> Does it work well? or should I avoid it for a house full of people  :p
[01:48] <tgm4883> IDK, do you like breakage and beatings from sibilings?
[01:48] <Azelphur> not so much no :D
[01:49] <tgm4883> it's still an alpha. The plan was for it to be released Oct 1st, but that has slipped a few weeks
[01:49] <tgm4883> they haven't released a beta yet as there are some critical bugs they are still waiting to fix
[01:50] <Azelphur> I see :)
[01:50] <Azelphur> best wait for that one then
[01:50] <tgm4883> 10.10 is releasing with 0.23.1, and we will have packages for 0.24 when it gets released via auto-builds
[01:50] <tgm4883> yep, i'd wait
[01:50] <tgm4883> at the very least, look at trac and see what the bugs are
[01:50] <Azelphur> cool :)
[01:50] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:51] <fluvvell> tgm4883, is pulseaudio  supported in 0.23.1 ?
[01:52] <tgm4883> fluvvell, I doubt it
[01:52] <tgm4883> I haven't checked though
[01:53] <tgm4883> fluvvell, thats a better question for #mythtv-users IIRC it was going to be better supported in 0.24 but I might just be making that up
[01:53] <tgm4883> of course, I don't know the issues you are having with it
[01:53] <fluvvell> I still get that sense that its not "flavour of the month",
[01:53] <tgm4883> well i only have mythtv on one ubuntu system which I don't ususally use for mythtv (my desktop), the rest are mythbuntu systems
[01:54] <Azelphur> Pulseaudio is in 0.23.1
[01:54] <Azelphur> I'm using it
[01:54] <fluvvell> I tried to set it up in .023+fixes that ships with 10.0.4 and failed miserably
[01:54] <Azelphur> :)
[01:55] <fluvvell> Yeah, I have it on all pcs  in the house, 4 of which are desktop or laptops as well. One dedicated mythbox, but even it gets browser loaded for tv-on-demand
[01:56] <fluvvell> Azelphur, hints for the settings in General ?
[01:56] <Azelphur> I just set mine to pulseaudio and it works :D
[01:56] <fluvvell> Where did you set it?
[01:56] <Azelphur> setup > general
[01:57] <Azelphur> brb, gotta get food outta the oven :)
[02:16] <fluvvell> Azelphur, tgm4883, the problems I have with pulseaudio are when I tried it, and just checked again - its still there - , skipping forward or backward while watching myth turns the audio stream to static and hiss.
[02:18] <Azelphur> works for me *shrug*
[02:21] <mrand> fluvvell: have you enabled auto-builds?
[02:22] <mrand> the 0.23 that ships with 10.04 was actually pre-release and has a number of known issues, including a few related to audio.
[02:26] <fluvvell> mrand, I should enable auto builds I guess.  Will that mean lots of regular updates?
[02:52] <mrand> fluvvell: no.. updates to the 0.23 branch are rare now-a-days.  It's considered pretty stable.
[02:56] <fluvvell> is it ok to enable the ppa, or is one of the other repos better ?
[02:57] <mrand> fluvvell: the ppa should be fine.
[03:28] <fluvvell> mrand, it skips fwd and back now without static Thanks.
[03:31] <mrand> fluvvell: you're welcome.  I seem to recall running into that myself.
[04:38] <superm1> Riddell, i think we have some last testing to do tonight still
[06:07] <superm1> Riddell, nothing major, go ahead
[19:54] <Gibby> !list
[19:54] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about list
[19:54] <Gibby> !help
[19:54] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].


[02:22] <hydrozii> how can i assign my computer a static IP in lubuntu?
[02:57] <JoeMaverickSett> hydrozii: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html this shall do it.
[03:19] <hydrozii> what does "io" mean
[03:19] <hydrozii> instead of "eth0"
[05:42] <jmarsden> hyperair: lo (letter L, letter O) is short for "loopback".  It is the virtual network interface that every machine has.  In IP v4 the address is usually <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:42] <jmarsden> Opps, meant hydrozii but he seems to have left !
[05:42] <hyperair> why meeeeeeeeeeeee
[05:43] <jmarsden> Because you start with "hy" :)
[05:54] <hyperair> hmm well answered.
[08:06] <silverlightning> hi
[13:49] <nickknock> hi there all ...
[13:49] <nickknock> I use Lubunto on a portable USB device ..
[13:50] <nickknock> Workd perfectly except the casper-rw partition don't unmount cleanly ...
[19:30] <rob0917> can ubuntu one be installed in lubuntu 10.10?
[21:30] <silverlightning> hi
[21:40] <NRWlion> hi silver ;)
[21:43] <silverlightning> hi
[21:43] <silverlightning> how are you NRWlion
[21:44] <silverlightning> hi meetingology
[21:44] <silverlightning> has anyone experience with XChat?
[21:44] <silverlightning> I have trouble connection to servers that aren't on the list
[21:56] <NRWlion> silverlightning, its always "/server $SERVERNAME"
[22:10] <silverlightning> back
[23:13] <ryuurei> Hi there. I have been working on installing openbox over Gnome and I just finished writing my menu.xml. I need to know how to replace the default right-click menu with the one I did up for openbox?
[23:14] <ryuurei> I was told to come here by #ubuntu.
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> ryuurei: Yeah, you'll probably be better helped here with openbox LXDE/Lubuntu uses openbox
[23:15] <ryuurei> Alright. Hopefully I can get an answer relatively soon. I'm putting off a bit of homework for this, to be honest.
[23:15] <MrChrisDruif> But I'm not familiar with what your trying/want to...
[23:16] <MrChrisDruif> *Gnome user; guilty as charged*
[23:16] <ryuurei> I have been for most of my Linux-using "career" as well. Recently, I've been attracted to the Openbox WM, though.
[23:17] <MrChrisDruif> I *still* need to burn a Lubuntu disk...I want to dual-boot
[23:18] <ryuurei> Oh yeah? Does lubuntu use openbox by default? I've never used LXDE.
[23:18] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, Lubuntu is a lightweigt...blablabla....Ubuntu using LXDE :)
[23:19] <ryuurei> Very good. I actually just dropped XFCE due to some issues supporting my second monitor. I figure I could make up the performance lost using Gnome / Metacity by throwing openbox on top of Gnome instead.
[23:20] <MrChrisDruif> Switching Gnome's Metacity with OpenBox you mean?
[23:21] <ryuurei> Yes.
[23:22] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah...comes down to practically the same ofc :)
[23:23] <ryuurei> I figure it will, anyway.
[23:24] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe when you could come back a few hours earlier? More active people at that time :)
[23:25] <MrChrisDruif> Or ofc a few hours later....
[23:25] <ryuurei> I'll figure something out. Thanks though,
[23:25] <MrChrisDruif> Most people are GMT/UTC times :)
[23:25] <ryuurei> I'm in Newfoundland haha. Stuck with a very odd one, unfortunately.
[23:27] <MrChrisDruif> Newfoundland? England? (Topography is not my forte)
[23:28] <ryuurei> Newfoundland. Don't worry about it.
[23:29] <mark76> Newfoundland is in Eastern Canada
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> Woohoo, love the people that know places :P
[23:30] <ryuurei> Haha.
[23:33] <ryuurei> Well I have to get going.


[03:03] <chance> does juju-core take pull requests on github? or can someone point me in the right direction?
[09:14] <den_sheleh> Hi. I have a little problem. Juju 1.11.4 should work with LXC. But when I try bootstrap environment I go a error : "error: no reachable servers". What is wrong ?
[09:32] <jamespage> den_sheleh, do you have the mongodb-server package installed?
[09:32] <jamespage> and which Ubuntu release are you running on?
[09:32] <jamespage> raring+ is good for mongodb-server - for 12.04/12.10 you need to use a PPA right now
[09:32] <jamespage> jcastro, fyi - http://javacruft.wordpress.com/2013/07/25/juju-put-it-there-please/
[09:36] <den_sheleh> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[09:39] <jamespage> den_sheleh, ok - lemme dig out the PPA
[09:39] <jamespage> the 12.04 LTS mongodb-server does not support SSL
[09:40] <jamespage> den_sheleh, https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/experimental
[09:40] <jamespage> den_sheleh, I'm working on getting that into official backports in Ubuntu itself
[09:46] <den_sheleh> Thank's a lot
[09:49] <den_sheleh> Thank You? James =)
[13:29] <gotwig> hey there
[13:29] <gotwig> is there a need for a charm deploying to meteor?
[13:40] <privateStack> I am looking on help with bootstrapping juju 1.11.4-raring-amd64 on a private Grizzly OpenStack install
[13:41] <marcoceppi> privateStack: what's your question?
[13:41] <privateStack> Hi marcoceppi
[13:41] <privateStack> I get an error, which I think you have even commented on in the boards
[13:41] <marcoceppi> hi!
[13:41] <privateStack> error: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "precise" images in RegionOne with arches [amd64 i386]
[13:42] <privateStack> I have created the public container and have it configured
[13:42] <marcoceppi> privateStack: okay. there is an answer for this. one second
[13:42] <privateStack> that would be amazing
[13:42] <privateStack> banging head on wall for a few days
[13:42] <marcoceppi> privateStack: you mean t the image data container?
[13:43] <marcoceppi> err bucket
[13:43] <privateStack> I have a control bucket "juju-control" which is not public
[13:43] <privateStack> I also have a public bucket "juju-fist"
[13:43] <privateStack> juju-dist that is
[13:44] <marcoceppi> what does the content of that bucket look like? juju dist
[13:44] <privateStack> On network captures I can see juju hitting the juju-control first, then hitting juju-dist/streams/v1/index.sjson, next it hits juju-dist/streams/v1/index.json
[13:45] <gotwig> how can I use JuJu with local support
[13:45] <privateStack> the process finally dies when juju tried to pull status 30 times from the control bucket
[13:45] <sidnei> marcoceppi: i think he needs to sync simplestreams or something?
[13:45] <marcoceppi> gotwig I have a blog post on it. one sec I'll dog it up
[13:45] <gotwig> marcoceppi: the new juju?
[13:46] <privateStack> I have not configured keystone for any simplestreams
[13:46] <marcoceppi> sidnei: I think so to. which is why I wonder what the contents of the bucket is
[13:47] <marcoceppi> gotwig: http://marcoceppi.com/2013/07/compiling-juju-and-the-local-provider/
[13:47] <gotwig> yeah, thx
[13:47] <gotwig> *compiling* oh noes ;P
[13:47] <privateStack> sorry.  the public bucket, juju-dist contains files I generated with juju metadata command.  /juju-dist/streams/v1/index.json and /juju-dist/streams/v1/imagemetadata.json
[13:47] <marcoceppi> no no! you don't need to compile. is a dual post gotwig
[13:48] <gotwig> ok
[13:48] <gotwig> marcoceppi: nice blog, btw
[13:48] <marcoceppi> privateStack: could you patebin those files?
[13:49] <privateStack> sure. give me a sec to figure out how
[13:49] <gotwig> marcoceppi: so all this can be found in the devel ppA?
[13:50] <marcoceppi> gotwig: yup!
[13:50] <gotwig> marcoceppi: some dude should update the getting started juju post for sure!!
[13:50] <gotwig> not everyone has clouds at home.. lol
[13:51] <privateStack> ok cool.. that was easy
[13:51] <privateStack> http://pastebin.com/kV2m4qH4 this is the first file
[13:52] <marcoceppi> gotwig: it will be updated before mercy l next week
[13:52] <privateStack> here is the second, the metadata file
[13:52] <privateStack> http://pastebin.com/RenVerjf
[13:52] <gotwig> marcoceppi: this is all so complex to me :/ I like juju gui...
[13:52]  * marcoceppi is actually writing it
[13:52] <privateStack> looking at network dumps juju never request the metdata file
[13:53] <gotwig> marcoceppi: do I have to manually edit the config YAML files to local?
[13:53] <privateStack> juju only request /juju-dist/streams/v1/index.sjson and then /juju-dist/streams/v1/index.json
[13:55] <marcoceppi> privateStack: what does juju bootstrap -v look like?
[13:56] <marcoceppi> gotwig: you need to create a local environments.yaml file if you don't have one already just run `juju init -w`
[13:56] <marcoceppi> then you can juju bootstrap -e local
[13:57] <marcoceppi> gotwig: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:57] <gotwig> marcoceppi: 13.10 :>
[13:57] <marcoceppi> gotwig: also you can deploy the juju-gui to local once you get it bootstrapped!
[13:57] <gotwig> is the admin secret a md5 hash?
[13:58] <marcoceppi> gotwig: no it's just a random strong of chats
[13:58] <marcoceppi> chars*
[13:58] <privateStack> marcoceppi: I will put in paste bin
[13:58] <marcoceppi> it can be whatever you like
[13:58] <marcoceppi> privateStack: thanks
[13:59] <gotwig> marcoceppi: can I do anything with juju gui?
[14:00] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Here is juju -v sync-tools showing basic function http://pastebin.com/bUVLf21k
[14:00] <marcoceppi> gotwig: anything you can do from cli you should be able to do in GUI
[14:01] <gotwig> error: environment has no access-key or secret-key
[14:01] <gotwig> when I want to deploy something
[14:01] <marcoceppi> gotwig: use -e local when deploying
[14:01] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Here is the juju -v bootstrap --debug http://pastebin.com/XMwRrcW6
[14:03] <marcoceppi> gotwig: or change ~/.juju/environments.yaml default: to 'local'
[14:03] <marcoceppi> privateStack: I thought you were using 1.11.4?
[14:05] <gotwig> marcoceppi: do you think there is a need for deploying to MeteorJS? I really like this thing :>
[14:05] <gotwig> talking about writing a charm for deploying to meteorJS ;X
[14:05] <gotwig> its similar to nodeJS
[14:06] <marcoceppi> gotwig: go for it! we can always use more charms
[14:06] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Sorry. I have tried a few versions on a few nodes.  The dumps were made from a precise node running juju 1.11.4-precise-amd64
[14:08] <privateStack> marcoceppi: But yes, I have been running 1.11.4
[14:08] <gotwig> works perfectly
[14:08] <gotwig> marcoceppi: thank you
[14:09] <marcoceppi> why is all the metadata 1.10.0?
[14:11] <gotwig> what do I have to setup to use the nodeJS charm
[14:11] <gotwig> a github repo, a mongodb relation?
[14:12] <gotwig> *git repo
[14:12] <gotwig> I could just read the readme xD
[14:15] <privateStack> marcoceppi: here are the http request that juju is making during bootstrap http://pastebin.com/HL1mnLt2
[14:15] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Not sure why. I ran the juju sync-tools command and that is what was deployed
[14:16] <privateStack> marcoceppi: In the past I have run the --upload-tools during the bootstrap and it will build and update newer tools.
[14:17] <marcoceppi> privateStack: hum.
[14:22] <privateStack> marcoceppi:  It seems strange that the metadata file is never requested.
[14:23] <marcoceppi> privateStack: yeah, is there a juju-dist directory or is /streams the root directory?
[14:24] <privateStack> marcoceppi:  Here is where I am weak.  I have not messed much with swift so all I know I learned for this.
[14:25] <privateStack> marcoceppi: I created a swift container like so "swift post juju-dist"
[14:26] <privateStack> marcoceppi: then I created a local directory /streams/v1/ and placed the two files in the directory, next I used "swift upload streams" to upload the directory tree, and finally I set the permissions on the container to allow anonymous access
[14:27] <privateStack> marcoceppi: I confirmed through network dumps that /streams/v1/index.json is being returned to juju during bootstrap.
[14:28] <gotwig> marcoceppi: how can I save the settings in the gui, there is no save button for changing the Config.yaml >_>
[14:29] <gotwig> marcoceppi: the gui on jujucharms is much better than the one in the official juju charm >_>
[14:30] <marcoceppi> gotwig: oh, deploy cs:~juju-gui/juju-gui instead of just "juju-gui"
[14:30] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Is it normal for juju to request /releases/streams/v1/index.json from cloud-images.ubuntu.com after my local site has been requested?
[14:30] <gotwig> marcoceppi: thx
[14:30] <gotwig> marcoceppi: thats just like with normal ubuntu >_> you all the time have to use extra repos or branches.. nothing official that is "modern"?
[14:34] <privateStack> marcoceppi: any direction?  Next step for me is digging through code or admitting defeat :)
[14:35] <marcoceppi> privateStack: one sec. I'm checking how I did this on HP Cloud
[14:35] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Thanks so much.. OB1 your my only hope
[14:43] <marcoceppi> privateStack: I think your problem is all the metadata is using 1.10.0, so juju-core can't match the version and doesn't go past the v1/index.json
[14:44] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Ok. Do you recommend that I use the --upload-tools option?
[14:45] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Or perhaps build the chain from source?
[14:47] <marcoceppi> privateStack: so delete everything in the juju-dist bucket, using 1.11.4 (juju version) build the image-metadata again, upload to juju-dist, then bootstrap and upload-tools again
[14:48] <marcoceppi> also, paste the new image-metadata again once it's re-generated
[14:49] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Doing this now
[14:49] <marcoceppi> privateStack, I'm also doing this again with region 3 of HP Cloud which has not simplestream release data
[14:55] <privateStack> marcoceppi: my tools are actually being uploaded to my control bucket not juju-dist
[14:56] <marcoceppi> privateStack: Right, so juju-dist is just for image metadata (which is why it pulls from clouds.ubuntu.com which has all the public cloud information)
[14:56] <marcoceppi> your control bucket is where the tools go
[15:02] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Here is the output of "juju -v bootstrap" --debug and "juju -v bootstrap --debug --upload-tools=true" http://pastebin.com/GruGjEa7
[15:03] <marcoceppi> privateStack: and the new image-metadata files?
[15:05] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Here are the metadata files http://pastebin.com/LKdp8diR
[15:21] <marcoceppi> privateStack: Those look good, just comparing to my index.json in hpcloud
[15:23] <marcoceppi> privateStack: for comparison here is my index.json file for HP cloud az-3 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5911507/
[15:23] <marcoceppi> privateStack: can you strip sensative information from your environments.yaml and paste that?
[15:23] <gotwig> marcoceppi: jo,what is the name for the place of the daily juju-gui thing?
[15:24] <gotwig> I am now on windows :/ so I use instantserver.io
[15:24] <gotwig> they offer ubuntu servers for free, for 30 minutes X
[15:24] <marcoceppi> cs:~juju-gui/juju-gui
[15:24] <gotwig> thx
[15:24] <marcoceppi> so `juju deploy cs:~juju-gui/juju-gui`
[15:25] <gotwig> marcoceppi: when does this become the normal juju-gui? does it have to get reviewed?
[15:25] <baudtack> are there juju packages for debian sid anymore? looks like they are gone
[15:26] <marcoceppi> gotwig: it's technically the proper place for the juju-gui, that ~juju-gui team is maintaining the charm, I believe there is just a bug in the charmstore where it defaults to only ~charmers as being reviewed sources. I'll need to check on that though
[15:27] <marcoceppi> baudtack: I believe we removed juju (0.7) from debian sid as it's being depricated. I imagine when the core team is ready a juju-core version will be uploaded to sid
[15:27] <AskUbuntu> isnt there any descriptive step by step guide for MAAS + juju + Ceph + Openstach HA deployment? | http://askubuntu.com/q/324470
[15:28] <baudtack> marcoceppi: thanks. guess i can install it by hand like a barbarian until then :-p
[15:28] <marcoceppi> baudtack: there shouldn't be much difference from the version in the ppa, if you need compile instructions let me know :P
[15:29] <privateStack> marcoceppi: For a goof I install juju 1.13.0-raring-amd64, removed all buckets, then tried to bootstrap again.
[15:29] <privateStack> marcoceppi: same problem as before, I will send logs
[15:30] <baudtack> marcoceppi: i just found out about juju today and have been using lxc for a long time. my only complaint being they were a pain in the rump when it came to network config
[15:30] <baudtack> sounds like juju handles all that kind of crap
[15:31] <baudtack> i also hate it when i want to hack on some new framework or language or something so i spend like 3 hours setting up a dev env. by that time i just don't care anymore heh.
[15:31] <marcoceppi> baudtack: it certainly does. So we have a local provider which will spin up lxc locally (there's still a bit more work there) then we also have containerization on actual clouds which hasn't landed just yet but is close
[15:31] <gotwig> marcoceppi: I cant paste the Tilde (~) and idea what I can do :/?
[15:31] <gotwig> *any
[15:32] <marcoceppi> gotwig: I dont' understand
[15:32] <gotwig> marcoceppi: I cant use the tilde on command line ;P
[15:33] <baudtack> marcoceppi: it's almost enough to make me want to run ubuntu instead :-p
[15:33] <marcoceppi> baudtack: ;)
[15:33] <marcoceppi> gotwig: I'm really not understanding how you can't use the tilde, this perplexes me
[15:33] <gotwig> well, some javascript stuff xD
[15:34] <gotwig> its a javascript terminal
[15:43] <privateStack> marcoceppi: Here is the metadata from my build of 1.13.0-raring-amd64 http://pastebin.com/LnRRRqLH
[15:45] <privateStack> marcoceppi: The log from juju -v bootstrap --debug --upload-tools=true is at the bottom of this post http://pastebin.com/bR12pDNh
[15:50] <noodles775> hazmat, wedgwood: When you've time, here's a branch adding ansible support to charm-helpers: https://code.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/charm-helpers/ansible-support/+merge/176973
[15:50] <hazmat> noodles775, sweet!
[15:51] <wedgwood> noodles775: Thanks! hey, I see some conflicts in the diff
[15:52] <noodles775> wedgwood: let me fix that...
[15:52] <wedgwood> noodles775: no hurry, unfortunately. I won't be able to have a look at it today.
[15:53] <noodles775> wedgwood: hah - it was because the prereq branch just landed... thanks for that!
[15:53]  * noodles775 merges again.
[15:56] <noodles775> wedgwood, hazmat: MP is clear again for whenever you get to it (no rush from my side... one of the great things about the charm-payload is not being dependent on your version of charm-helpers landing :-) ).
[16:14] <privateStack> marcoceppi: is there anything else you can think of that I should try?
[16:16] <marcoceppi> privateStack: I'm at a loss, unfortunately. To prevent you from waiting around and banging your head somemore, email the juju list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with pretty much everything you've told me, the pastebins, the bootstrap output, etc someone else not online right now might be able to help
[16:17] <marcoceppi> This is just a reminder I need to setup MAAS and private openstack at my place to play with this more
[16:18] <privateStack> marcoceppi: thanks for the help. I will do
[16:21] <gotwig> marcoceppi: the gui still looks like the old one
[16:22] <marcoceppi> gotwig: that's odd, I've used cs:~juju-gui/juju-gui to get the new one. Screenshot?
[16:22] <gotwig> marcoceppi: it says cs:~juju-gui/precise/juju-gui-77 this is wrong?
[16:23] <gotwig> how can I "upgrade"?
[16:23] <gotwig> I removed the environment, made it new, etc :/
[16:23] <marcoceppi> gotwig: that's it -77 is the latest. Screenshot?
[16:23] <gotwig> of juju-status?
[16:25] <marcoceppi> gotwig: of the gui
[16:26] <gotwig> imgur.com/cLjkUA2
[16:28] <gotwig> marcoceppi: ^
[16:34] <marcoceppi> gotwig: that looks like theh recent version
[16:34] <marcoceppi> what are you comparing it to?
[16:36] <gotwig> marcoceppi: jujucharms.com
[16:36] <marcoceppi> gotwig: try https://<IP_ADDRESS>/fullscreen/
[16:36] <marcoceppi> you should see the jujucharms.com interface
[16:37] <gotwig> in jujucharms.com
[16:37] <gotwig> there is a side pane for the properties
[16:37] <gotwig> not a whole new view, which hides all other things
[16:39] <gotwig> hm
[16:39] <gotwig> I think it is like it is..
[16:40] <gotwig> but I dont like this
[16:40] <marcoceppi> gotwig: try https://<IP_ADDRESS>/sidebar/ for the sidebar view
[16:40] <gotwig> there is no scroll utton
[16:40] <gotwig> is it broken?
[16:41] <marcoceppi> gotwig: could be, one sec let me deploy
[16:41] <gotwig> ok, now comes my question
[16:41] <gotwig> when I go the charm
[16:41] <gotwig> go ito the charm properties
[16:41] <gotwig> there is no save button I can see to save my changes
[16:41] <gotwig> and no scroll button...
[16:41] <gotwig> I have to use arrows to navigate
[16:50] <gotwig> marcoceppi: no idea?
[16:50] <marcoceppi> gotwig: sorry, I was on a call
[16:51] <gotwig> the GUI is far away from elegant :/
[16:53] <gotwig> after I reloged into the GUI, all my services are away :/
[16:54] <gotwig> even juju status says they  are running
[16:55] <gotwig> now I see them again
[16:56] <gotwig> got it running :>
[16:56] <gotwig> nodeJS
[16:56] <gotwig> thanks for your help
[16:57] <gotwig> marcoceppi: where can I talk about juju design?
[16:57] <gotwig> Juju-GUI, launchpad?
[17:00] <marcoceppi> #juju-gui on freenode
[17:05] <gotwig> marcoceppi: do you use the GUI?
[17:06] <gotwig> I g2g, thanks. I am going to report a new bug, regarding responsive web design
[17:21] <privateStack> marcoceppi: I have been debugging on the code level and think I might have found something interesting
[17:22] <privateStack> marcoceppi: when I don't specify a public url in the config, juju tries to create one using my users authentication.
[17:22] <privateStack> marcoceppi: This bucket creation process fails for the public bucket with the error: MakeServiceURL: no endpoints known for service type: juju-tools
[17:24] <privateStack> marcoceppi: If I specify a public url this error does not occur, which makes me wonder if juju is expecting juju-tools to be under the public bucket
[19:57] <arosales> hazmat: looking for some charmers to help out with the review queue, got any spare cycles for reviews?
[19:58]  * arosales will also email ~chamers
[21:07] <gotwig> do charms always have to use debian packages
[21:08] <gotwig> I like to use some custom stuff
[21:08] <gotwig> downloading and setting up via curl
[21:18] <sidnei> gotwig: you can do it, no problem. not a recommended practice, but you're free to do anything you want.
[21:18] <gotwig> sidnei: I want that it becomes an official charm some day
[21:19] <sidnei> gotwig: then you might want to add an option to use debian packages and toggle to curl with a flag
[21:19] <sidnei> i think the policy might say something about official charms not going over the network
[21:19] <AskUbuntu> can we have multiple juju config files? | http://askubuntu.com/q/324604
[21:33] <privateStack> Does anyone know if juju works with openstack quantum?  Having problems during bootstrap with assigning a floating ip
[21:33] <privateStack> Juju appears to use the nova api to assign addresses
[21:36] <privateStack> marcoceppi: I figured out my original bootstrap problem.  The metadata index.json had the wrong port listed.
[21:46] <gotwig> can I use juju deploy with my custom bzr branch?
[21:47] <sidnei> gotwig: yes you can
[21:47] <gotwig> and how, Obama :D?
[21:47] <sidnei> gotwig: if you have a dir 'charms', and your branch is under 'charms/precise/mycharm' you can do 'juju deploy --repository=charms mycharm'
[21:47] <gotwig> somehow this doesnt work for me
[21:48] <gotwig> I recheck
[21:48] <gotwig> error: cannot get latest charm revision: charm not found: cs:precise/meteor-app
[21:49] <gotwig> it tries to use the official sources, not my custom directory
[21:50] <gotwig> do  I have to use version control or so?
[21:50] <sidnei> gotwig: try juju deploy --repository=charms local:mycharm
[21:51] <gotwig> my command is juju deploy --repository=eduard local:meteor-app -e local
[21:51] <gotwig> eduard is my charms dir
[21:52] <gotwig> error: cannot get latest charm revision: charm not found in "/home/julia/eduard": local:precise/meteor-app
[21:54] <gotwig> the charm dir name is meteor-app  and the charm name is meteor-app
[21:54] <sidnei> gotwig: does eduard/precise/meteor-app exist? what's in eduard/precise/meteor-app/metadata.yaml?
[21:54] <gotwig> no
[21:55] <gotwig> I hav meteor-app in eduard
[21:55] <sidnei> gotwig: ah, that's it, needs to be into a dir named 'precise' ( really, whatever you have in default-series iirc)
[21:56] <gotwig> sucess :>
[21:56] <gotwig> now lets check juju-gui
[21:57] <gotwig> actually writting charms is really easy
[21:58] <gotwig> no, red line :D
[22:00] <gotwig> hook failed install... hm
[22:20] <gotwig> sidnei: where can I specify the icon for my charm?
[22:21] <thumper> jcastro: hey
[22:22] <thumper> jcastro: not sure if you have tried rebooting a running local environment yet, but I did yesterday (quite by accident)
[22:22] <thumper> jcastro: all came back up fine
[22:22] <thumper> so... yay \o/
[22:29] <gotwig> how do I remove a service
[23:01] <sidnei> gotwig: i think the icon is just icon.svg in the root
[23:01] <sidnei> gotwig: juju destroy-service?
[23:01] <gotwig> no
[23:01] <gotwig> destroy-service doesnt ermove it
[23:01] <gotwig> *remove
[23:08] <sidnei> what you mean by remove then?
[23:22] <bradm> fwiw I just submitted LP#1205130 for a charm for bip I wrote, any feedback would be great.
[23:22] <_mup_> Bug #1205130: New charm: bip <Juju Charms Collection:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205130>


[01:07] <spiekey> how can i install the german locales?
[01:07] <spiekey> "locale -a" does not show the german set
[01:20] <spiekey> got it
[02:01] <ubuntu-jeff> Does anyone here have any experience working with Linux Kernel Virtualization?
[02:09] <fujin_> how so?
[02:09] <fujin_> xen? vmware?
[02:09] <fujin_> that other crappy one?
[02:58] <\x6e\x65\x72\x64> hi, on ubuntu-server daemons are dying randomly. On regular ubuntu this doesn't happen, I noticed if I do something like "memtest (all_my_ram)" on regular ubuntu the system crawls but processes don't die, on ubuntu-server it kills everything (including sshd). How can I change this behavior to be like regular ubuntu?
[03:19] <ubuntu-jeff> I'm looking at Linux KVM vs VMware and weiging my options
[03:19] <ubuntu-jeff> (sorry about the delay, I stepped away)
[03:24] <ubuntu-jeff> I'm afraid of vendor lock-in with VMware server images. But I'm not sure of the usability (or maintainability, rather) of Linux KVM.
[03:24] <ubuntu-jeff> Also, I know that with VMWare, it is possible to copy an entire virtual machine live, while it is in use. I don't know if the same can be done with a Linux KVM qcow image.
[03:31] <ubuntu-jeff> Also, am I likely to have sudden incompatibility issues (or server re-activations, If the Guest is a M$ server product that requires activation) after a kernel upgrade?
[03:31] <ubuntu-jeff> (because LKVM is part of the kernel proper)
[03:40] <osmosis> whats the speed different between running and i386 distro, vs running an amd64 copy of a distro ?
[03:42] <ubuntu-jeff> One is targeted toward the i386. That is, it will run on virtually all x86 and compatables all the way back to the i386 (in practice, this really is limited to nothing older than a 486, but these days, that's not much of a limit.
[03:43] <ubuntu-jeff> On the other hand, an amd64, also known as x86_64 distro
[03:43] <ubuntu-jeff> is targeted toward the 64 bit x86 architecture, and will run on any 64-bit Intel and AMD chip, except for the Itanium line, which is much different than the amd64.
[03:44] <ubuntu-jeff> Is my explanation sufficiently clear, or am I confusing you, osmisis?
[03:57] <m12> hey guys
[03:58] <m12> in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i cant find extension=mysql.so
[03:58] <m12> any tips ?
[03:59] <ubuntu-jeff> apt-get install php5-mysql
[03:59] <m12> ok tnx, sec i check
[03:59] <ubuntu-jeff> don't forget sudo
[04:00] <m12> newest version
[04:00] <m12> why sudo if i am root ?
[04:02] <ubuntu-jeff> oh, I assumed you where continuing in the default Ubuntu enviornment, where 'root' lacks a password, and you where some other arbitrary user in the 'wheel' group.
[04:02] <ubuntu-jeff> hm...
[04:02] <m12> no go
[04:02] <m12> cant find it
[04:02] <ubuntu-jeff> did you do a LAMP install on your server?
[04:02] <m12> why lamp ?
[04:02] <ubuntu-jeff> LAMP
[04:02] <ubuntu-jeff> stands for
[04:03] <m12> i know
[04:03] <ubuntu-jeff> Linux + Apatchie + MySQL + PHP.
[04:03] <ubuntu-jeff> Some times
[04:03] <m12> i did manual install
[04:03] <ubuntu-jeff> ok
[04:03] <ubuntu-jeff> well
[04:04] <ubuntu-jeff> Have you done a manual install of mysql
[04:04] <ubuntu-jeff> before with sucess?
[04:04] <m12> mysql-server
[04:04] <m12> yes
[04:05] <ubuntu-jeff> hm..
[04:06] <m12> i just cant find it in php.ini
[04:06] <ajmitch> because it's not in there
[04:06] <ubuntu-jeff> have you used grep
[04:06] <ajmitch> but in /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini
[04:06] <ubuntu-jeff> to be certain you're not just missing it.
[04:06] <ubuntu-jeff> ?
[04:06] <m12> hm
[04:07] <m12> let me check
[04:07] <m12> lol, tnx ajmitch
[04:07] <ubuntu-jeff> ?
[04:08] <m12> ajmitch , so i dont need to enable it in php.ini and give route to it ?
[04:08] <ajmitch> no
[04:08] <m12> ok
[04:08] <ajmitch> it should just work, assuming that you restart apache
[04:08] <m12> ok , many tnx m8 :)
[04:16] <ubuntu-server-je> is anyone going to answer my kvm question?
[04:18] <m12> another problem i stumble upon is: sudo apache2-ssl-certificate
[04:18] <m12> sudo: apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found
[04:18] <ajmitch> ubuntu-server-je: no, because I haven't used kvm
[04:19] <ubuntu-server-je> ok
[04:19] <ubuntu-server-je> what about vmware?
[04:19] <ajmitch> vmware should work alright
[04:19] <ubuntu-server-je> is it not closed-sourced?
[04:20] <ajmitch> it is
[04:20] <ubuntu-server-je> ok
[04:20] <ajmitch> there have been various utilities for reading the disk images
[04:20] <ajmitch> I don;t know how well they work with snapshots, etc
[04:20] <ubuntu-server-je> like qemu-image?
[04:21] <ajmitch> yes
[04:21] <ubuntu-server-je> which seems to read some of them
[04:21] <ubuntu-server-je> ok
[04:21] <ajmitch> I haven't had much use for vmware outside of testing development stuff
[04:21] <ubuntu-server-je> With a PC that has VT instructions in the CPU, is near-native speed truly achivable?
[04:22] <ajmitch> you can have decent speed even without that
[04:22] <ajmitch> but yes, it should be fairly fast, depending on the workload
[04:22] <m12> guys , can u help with SSL ,i am trying to get it runing , but server just dont accept apache2-ssl-certificate command
[04:25] <ubuntu-server-je> ok
[07:14] <alka_trash> hey anyone know anything about Ubuntu Jeos?
[12:30] <pj_og> Hi! I installed the ubuntu-server, but the base system doesn't boot. I have no idea why. I can boot memtest86+, but trying one of the kernels results only in a "reset". What now? The installation itself went absolutely smoothless, no error or so. But then rebooting doesn't work.
[12:30] <pj_og> ...smooth...
[12:32] <pj_og> I even have no idea how to debug such a thing since there are no messages.
[12:33] <pj_og> Any ideas anybody?
[12:37] <pj_og> To me it looks like there is a problem with the ubuntu-server kernel.
[04:38] <j3one> I have an Ubuntu box (latest server edition) set up at a colo and can ssh into it now.
[04:38] <j3one> Now I am needing to set up LAMP and hopefully
[04:38] <j3one> phpmyadmin + webadmin
[04:39] <j3one> but j3one == noob
[04:39] <j3one> Anyone know of a good guide?
[04:40] <Drazha> j3one, yeap
[04:40] <Drazha> j3one, http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704
[04:40] <dantalizing> howtoforge has some nice stuff
[04:41] <j3one> thanks
[04:42] <Drazha> that'll be 10 bucks :)
[06:53] <osmosis> is there a way for me to find out what version of the xen kernel is included in gutsy ?
[06:56] <Nafallo> the same as the regular kernel.
[06:56] <Nafallo> it's just a patch these days.
[08:22] <osmosis> how can I revert my config files back to original for a particular package?
[08:23] <ScottK> Purge the package and reinstall is one way.
[08:23] <ScottK> sudo dpkg -P packagname
[08:31] <pike_> dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> may work too id think
[08:49] <osmosis> any recommendations on how to fix these system errors?  http://dpaste.com/19370/
[08:57] <sommer> osmosis: what are you trying to install?
[08:57] <leonel> osmosis:  locale-gen  en_US.UTF-8
[08:58] <osmosis> im just doing a normal  apt-get update; apt-get upgrade;   on a dapper install.  not a normal dapper install though...was setup with debootstrap.
[09:00] <dantalizing> osmosis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75493
[09:01] <osmosis> dantalizing: coool
[09:02] <osmosis> dantalizing: hmm..  sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales    doesnt fix it.
[09:02] <dantalizing> there are some other suggestings in the thread
[09:03] <osmosis> locale-gen  en_US.UTF-8    works though.
[09:03] <osmosis> leonel: thanks
[09:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I add something to /etc/init.d so I can start/stop/restart it?
[09:14] <sommer> FyingSquirrel32: is the application something you've developed or something installed from apt-get?
[09:14] <sommer> the command you're probably looking for is upate-rc.d
[09:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> sommer: It's ntop. I installed with apt-get, but it didn't seem to create a startup script.
[09:24] <FlyingSquirrel32> sommer: yeah, that's what I'm looking for, but I'd like a template script but I can't seem to find one.
[09:25] <pike_> there should be a skeleton script in /etc/init.d/
[09:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> you're right, thanks pike_
[11:47] <leonel>
[11:47] <leonel> I had smtp auth  with sql  to postgresql   working in dapper
[11:47] <leonel> now in feisty
[11:48] <leonel> I can't  make any auth  the log says  cant find /etc/sasldb2
[11:48] <leonel> was any critical change ?
[11:48] <leonel> even  did the first  upgrade from dapper to edgy  and the same error
[11:52] <wasabi> smtp auth?
[11:53] <wasabi> you mean with a mail server?


[04:39] <Nivex> any release party plans?
[05:04] <Chat8597> Hey
[05:05] <Chat8597> Hey
[05:05] <Chat8597> Hey