[00:02] <nouckey> i'm trying to narrowing the problem down, or at least treat one at a time : startx doesn't work, and I don't know what Xorg is but it doesn't look very happy with me rn
[00:03] <nouckey> I googled "waiting for xserver to shut down error setting MTRR" but it probably wasn't helpful since here we are again
[00:23] <Apachez> happy new year! http://i.imgur.com/VCVMaTx.jpg
[00:34] <ChunkzZ> Not new year here yet Apachez
[00:42] <nouckey> ok that's an easy one : which version of ubuntu should i download if i've got cheap hardware ? where can i find it ? (i can only find ubuntu 16 on ubuntu.com and it doesn't seem the best idea)
[00:43] <kk4ewt> define cheap hardware
[00:43] <ChunkzZ> nouckey: lubuntu
[00:43] <nedstark> or xubuntu or ubuntu mate
[00:44] <ChunkzZ> Or wattos based on Ubuntu
[00:44] <ChunkzZ> There's loads
[00:46] <Exterminador> hello guys. i have a small problem. i dont have enough space on my vps to make a backup. can i do it remotely via command line? i'm using Xubuntu 16.04
[00:50] <nedstark> Exterminador, this explains some ways http://askubuntu.com/questions/166142/how-would-you-go-about-backing-up-a-remote-ubuntu-vps-via-ssh
[00:51] <nouckey> well an emachines that I got 5 years ago and came with linpus on it. AMD / NVIDIA. (not a laptop)
[00:55] <nedstark> nouckey, how much ram and what processor
[00:55] <nedstark> a 5 year old machine should be fine running ubuntu mate, xubuntu, or lubuntu
[00:56] <Exterminador> my laptop is 6y old and runs smooth with Xubuntu. 2Gb ram, dual-core 2.10Ghz cpu
[00:57] <nedstark> that will run any of those 3 fine, probably run gnome ok but slow
[00:57] <nedstark> mainly the ram
[00:58] <ontheline> everybody ready for the Y2017 bug?
[00:59] <Pici> nope
[01:00] <ontheline> backups to /dev/null and that sorts of things...
[01:00] <nedstark> they are adding a small fraction of a second to each second in the day to create a cumulative "leap second" using long seconds
[01:01] <nedstark> this will prevent global catastrophe
[01:01] <DrManhattan> :)
[01:01] <ontheline> nedbat, hehehe - I heard about "atomic clocks" being used to avoid that!
[01:02] <nedstark> except in the UK because people are getting alcohol intoxication and vomiting on each other regardless of the time
[01:02] <ontheline> heheheh
[01:04] <nedstark> http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/748494/uk-government-snoopers-charter-recording-online-web-phone-records
[01:04] <ontheline> wow
[01:07] <ontheline> electrons come to bits and bits come to /dev/null - cya guys have a happy new year
[01:11] <Gaming4JC> Hi guys, does anyone know a player that supports DVD subtitles? Seems most of them require downloading subtitles seperately, which is strange considering they are already on the DVD!
[01:12] <Gaming4JC> or maybe there is some program to "convert" subtitles from the dvd to a subtitle file
[01:15] <Ben64> Gaming4JC: mplayer2 and mpv should
[01:22] <nouckey> maybe if I go to bed everything will have gone back to normal tomorrow. has this ever happened ?
[01:23] <sintre> well when my hair started thinning i hoped tht would happen every morning
[01:23] <sintre> never changed
[01:23] <sintre> :)
[01:23] <sintre> but if your tired and all , i'd hit the sack and think about what distro you want to install
[01:23] <nouckey> haha. at least you had time to get used to it
[01:24] <sintre> :)
[01:24] <nouckey> i settled on ubuntu mate because i like the drink
[01:24] <nouckey> but this computer can barely run this chat
[01:24] <nouckey> so to create a bootable key is a challenge :)
[01:25] <sintre> well only good thing about linux problems is once you come out the other end you always learned something
[01:26] <nouckey> mmm when this happened to me before all i remember is a creeping panic and vertigo. Everytime I have one problem it transforms into zillions of problems and I can't remember what was my first problem
[01:27] <nouckey> but sure I'm learning to manage anger and frustration :)
[01:27] <sintre> see there we go :)
[01:33] <DrManhattan> nouckey, try xanax
[01:34] <nouckey> I don't have any, all pharmacists want to give me is plants and stuff
[01:36] <nouckey> I think depression is a pretty natural reaction to a very sick society and to the agony of a personal computer. it's ok to feel things dr.
[01:37] <DrManhattan> It's a chemical imbalance where your brain can't access pleasant thoughts
[01:37] <DrManhattan> not a fun way to live
[01:37] <Guest20623> hello everyone
[01:38] <nouckey> not all the time, but there are just no pleasant thoughts to be had right now. it'll get better (not for the bees though, they are fucked)
[01:39] <Guest20623> Whats going on?
[01:39] <nouckey> bees and my computer are dying, but we'll get through it
[01:39] <nouckey> how about you ?
[01:39] <jcjordyn120> I am back :D
[01:40] <Bashing-om> Guest20623: Ubuntu support - pretty slow right now so not much .
[01:40] <Guest20623> is this where i can get answers for ubuntu?
[01:40] <BlueProtoman> My file selection dialog is huuuuuge.  So huge, if I center it with the screen, it's all white.  I can't resize it, either.  I'm using Ubuntu 16.10, with MATE.  How did it get like this, and how can I fix it?
[01:42] <nouckey> yes it is Guest20623 (not from me though)
[01:44] <Guest20623> Is there an easy way to make an ISO of my current Ubuntu setup i made, so I can install it on another computer?
[01:46] <Ben64> Guest20623: no
[01:46] <Ben64> you could make a list of the packages you have installed though
[01:46] <Bashing-om> !APTonCD | Guest20623
[01:49] <energizer> My laptop doesnt do anything when i press the windows key. What can I do?
[01:49] <Guest20623> cool. thank you. i will check that out.
[01:49] <energizer> I want it to open the dash
[01:57] <Guest20623> im installing ubuntu 16 amd64, is that ok to use on an intel 64 bit motherboard?
[01:57] <BlueProtoman> Guest20623: Yes, absolutely
[01:57] <Guest20623> ok, just making sure, the name was throwing me off
[01:58] <BlueProtoman> Not a problem
[01:59] <Guest20623> i installed the 32 bit version, but im gonna try the 64bit now. Should i see a difference in performance?
[02:00] <sudharshaw> hi
[02:01] <Guest20623> I really love trying all the different versions of linux. Each one has so much to offer, i dont know which one i like best.
[02:01] <Bashing-om> Guest20623: doubtful that you will see a change in performance on just a desktop use . Bear in mind that 32 bit software is fast loosing support .
[02:01] <BlueProtoman> Guest20623: No one in this channel is going to say anything besides Ubuntu.
[02:02] <Guest20623> lol
[02:02] <anders__> Arch is pretty good too if you want to understand everything top-down
[02:02] <Guest20623> true
[02:02] <Gaming4JC> Ben64: Seems VLC has subtitle suppport too, but you have to turn it on from the settings using subtracks
[02:02] <Gaming4JC> thanks.
[02:03] <Guest20623> I havent tried Arch yet
[02:03] <Ben64> yeah but vlc is terrible
[02:03] <energizer> Ben64: whats the problem
[02:03] <energizer> with vlc
[02:03] <anders__> I recommend it. It's a lot slicker than say Gentoo but it allows you to configure everything quite extensively.
[02:03] <Ben64> bad quality
[02:03] <energizer> what does that mean
[02:03] <Gaming4JC> confusing interface but overall it does have a lot of cool stuff
[02:04] <Ben64> videos look worse when viewed with vlc
[02:04] <energizer> relative to
[02:04] <Ben64> not vlc
[02:04] <energizer> no
[02:04] <energizer> need referent
[02:04] <rangemonger> theres always manjaro if one wants an easier arch experience, too
[02:04] <Guest20623> Been playing around alot with Lubuntu
[02:05] <Guest20623> and also linux mint
[02:05] <Guest20623> cinnamon
[02:05] <Gaming4JC> Linux Mint keeps getting hacked so I'm not sure how much I trust it (or at least their website)
[02:06] <rangemonger> what gets hacked on mint?
[02:06] <Ben64> this really isn't the place to talk about other distributions
[02:06] <rangemonger> or is it just their site?
[02:06] <nedstark> their website had some old plugins and got hacked, but someone donated some money and fixed all that
[02:06] <Gaming4JC> rangemonger: Their main website got hacked awhile ago and a fake download link put up, and then this past week or so someone claims to have gotten root on their backend webserver (note this server does not have iso or packages)
[02:07] <rangemonger> ah
[02:07] <socialevil> Hello my unknown friends. I have a new   laptop and i wanted to install ubuntu 16.4 instead of having win10 so i downloaded the 1.4gb ubuntu.iso from the website, burned it and now when it boots, its stucked at the violete screen... I dont know whats the problem :((
[02:08] <Guest20623> Why would anyone want to hack someones website anyway. i mean, they are offering a free alternative desktop for people to use and some jerk has to mess it up!
[02:08] <BlueProtoman> Guest20623: Steal personal info, get credit cards, identity theft.  Profit!
[02:09] <Guest20623> Well someone needs to hack them back
[02:09] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | socialevil  try:
[02:09] <socialevil> Thank you ill look into that
[02:10] <nedstark> this guy got a free plane trip from miami to SF https://www.databreaches.net/florida-computer-programmer-arrested-for-hacking/
[02:10] <BlueProtoman> Guest20623: If we only know who hacked the Mint ISO servers.  Hopefully they've been brought to justice by local authorities.
[02:11] <BlueProtoman> But this is reality, and reality is cruel, so maybe not.
[02:12] <nedstark> this says the hacker said he "needed $85" for the data on the mint website http://www.zdnet.com/article/hacker-hundreds-were-tricked-into-installing-linux-mint-backdoor/
[02:12] <Guest20623> thats crazy
[02:13] <Guest20623> omg  im using linux mint!
[02:14] <Guest20623> (just until Ubuntu downloads) of coarse
[02:15] <Bashing-om> Guest20623: Getter Done :)
[02:16] <nicomachus> Guest20623: find a good md5sum online (verify from more than one source) and double-check your install USB if you're nervous about it. but that was awhile ago, and the download was only up for like 2 days IIRC
[02:16] <Guest20623> thanks for the info
[02:18] <Guest20623> thank you all for your help. gonna install ubuntu now,
[02:18] <BlueProtoman> I imagine that by the time he figures it out, Ubuntu will have finished downloading
[02:18] <Guest20623> yeah, its done.
[02:18] <BlueProtoman> Good luck.  If you're paranoid, don't make any purchases until you finish the install
[02:18] <Guest20623> thanks again
[02:19] <simio> whats up pppl !
[02:20] <BlueProtoman> My student loan debt
[02:22] <bitch> Party on #freenode-newyears
[02:22] <simio> i need a lil info bout that
[02:22] <simio> the student loan
[02:27] <socialevil> Bashing-om it worked but now i have another problem. I am at the installation type screen, where i can choose between installing ubuntu alongside win, erase disk and something else, but nomatter what option i choose, the continue button is dark gray and i cannot continue. There is only quit and back available
[02:29] <socialevil> And i dont hear the disk inside my rom spinning anymore..
[02:30] <f3ngt1ng> I have installed ibus referred url http://wiki.ubuntu.org.cn/IBus,but I can't use ibus, when i use /usr/lib/ibus/ibus-setup-sunpinyin, the error ouccerd,referred url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23714768/
[02:31] <f3ngt1ng> any body know?
[02:31] <maus> Hi, does somebody by coincidence knows about the blanking screen bug in Natty ?
[02:33] <Ben64> maus: nobody knows nor cares since it has been over 4 years since that has been supported
[02:34] <maus> i quit with ubuntu folks....
[02:34] <Ben64> cool
[02:39] <nouckey> ok you guys are going to be really proud of me, i booted on ubuntu mate. Now question : is my old data accessible from there or no ? if it is, where can I find it ?
[02:41] <nouckey> ok found it
[02:41] <nouckey> just need an 8th external hard drive now
[02:42] <Bashing-om> socialevil: And what is yoyr desire ? As you have win10 (?) did you boot the installer also in EFI mode ?
[02:47] <urmygoogle> H
[02:47] <urmygoogle> U
[02:51] <socialevil> Bashing-om my desire is to erase the windows but regardless of whst i choose, there was no continue button. I gave back and again forward and it was ok :)) i installed it now i just need to reboot to see if it all works fibe
[02:52] <Bashing-om> secK. good deal .. but not a good idea to go cold turkey off Windows .
[02:53] <socialevil> Bashing-om why?
[02:55] <Bashing-om> socialevil: There is a steep learning curve , much like learning a new language to be comfortable in linux .
[02:56] <yellow> any comments on the jabra stealth bluetooth headset?
[02:56] <urmygoogle> Headset or Linux?
[02:56] <yellow> it's a headset for my phone.
[02:56] <Ben64> yellow: why are you asking in #ubuntu then
[02:57] <yellow> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01K4AC4CC/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2K9T80ZTJMPW3
[02:57] <urmygoogle> Do you need its Linux driver?
[02:57] <yellow> any ideas what anti eardrum damage is?
[02:57] <nedstark> he could be using the Meizu ubuntu phone
[02:57] <yellow> what kind of technology is that?
[02:57] <socialevil> Bashing-om actually its not my first ride with linux. I used slackware for about 5 years but that was like 15 years ago. A lot has changed but i can manage :))) i just have to read here and there and i guess all will be fine
[02:57] <nedstark> in which case he is much like a newborn child in the movie "Children of Men"
[02:58] <Ben64> yellow: you're in the wrong channel
[02:59] <urmygoogle> I think he needs suggestion from Linux users about headset technology
[02:59] <Bashing-om> socialevil: Yepper ! all will be fine . I too started the linux PC journey with slackware .
[02:59] <yellow> if i use a headphone headset for phone calls, do i get the sound into both my ears?
[02:59] <yellow> isn't that kind of nice vs just the one ear?/
[03:00] <urmygoogle> What's slackware
[03:04] <nils_> socialevil, hey pops, we're on kernel 4.9 now ;)
[03:07] <odroid> hi
[03:43] <cfhowlett> !ping
[03:43] <ngaio> has anyone seen a bug where the entire image on the screen starts vibrating / pulsing / flickering if the terminal is on the left of the screen (or maximized) and it is full of text? I'm running an Nvidia GTX 1070 with the 375.26 driver. All thermals are good.
[03:43] <cfhowlett> ngaio, pic?
[03:44] <ngaio> cfhowlett, I could take a pic or small video with my cellphone I guess. Would that be helpful?
[03:44] <cfhowlett> more info = better answers
[03:44] <ngaio> I'll do that now
[03:48] <Guy1524> hey guys, I installed lubuntu on an old computer and installed thunderbird, I need contacts from a pst file to be imported into thunderbird
[03:49] <cfhowlett> Guy1524, Tools > Import         assuming TBird can read .pst.  there is a mozilla irc channel
[03:49] <linuxuser> ubuntu software center crashes every time i open it. help?
[03:51] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, perhaps a bit of command line first: sudo apt update | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:51] <rangemonger> linuxuser: maybe clearing its config file would help, though youd lose changed settings made to the software center, if any, no big deal
[03:51] <Guy1524> cfhowlett: I selected address book and .pst is not an option
[03:51] <rangemonger> yeah, try cfhowletts thing first
[03:52] <cfhowlett> Guy1524, you might need to export from outlook?  in a more readable form
[03:52] <Guy1524> I no longer have access to the computer they were exported from
[03:52] <Guy1524> all I have is the .pst file
[03:52] <Guy1524> would I be able to open it in outlook on another pc and export it from there?
[03:52] <linuxuser> http://termbin.com/mhln
[03:53] <cfhowlett> Guy1524, time to talk to tbird support
[03:53] <Guy1524> is that an irc channel?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> Guy1524, open tbird Help menu for optoins
[03:54] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, your ppa's are the first thing I would suspect.
[03:54] <waterforce1205> hello
[03:54] <cfhowlett> and what ubuntu version are you on linuxuser ?
[03:54] <linuxuser> 16.04 i think
[03:55] <cfhowlett> lsb_release -a            linuxuser
[03:56] <linuxuser> Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[03:56] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, OK then.  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[03:59] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, ok its doing its thing, so i'll wait. thanks for the help
[04:00] <socialevil> Nils_ i was on 2.4 when i used linux
[04:00] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, happy2help!   I believe the ubuntu software center has been pretty much deprecated in favor of the .... "software center"?  at any rate, do not use USC.
[04:00] <linuxuser> USC?
[04:01] <nils_> socialevil, my first was 2.2... something
[04:01] <cfhowlett> U   buntu      S    oftware           you see the pattern, yes?
[04:01] <okieiam> hello, does anyone know gnome shell 3.18 rotation icon in Ubuntu 16.04 kernel 4.4.0-31 for touch screen laptop
[04:01] <nils_> socialevil, got it on a CD in computer magazine
[04:02] <nils_> I wonder if okieiam is holding is laptop sideways right now
[04:02] <linuxuser> k thnks
[04:02] <nils_> socialevil, I guess with regards to BSD and commercial Unix you have seniority
[04:02] <okieiam> hehe so do you
[04:02] <okieiam> nils
[04:03] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, its done, should i reboot?
[04:03] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, only if it requested same
[04:04] <socialevil> Nils_ i just know that to my lack of kniwledge i had to open xorg file and write shit just to use my mouse haahha it were funny days
[04:04] <nils_> okieiam, if you're serious I'll look up the xrandr shell thingy to flip it ;)
[04:04] <nils_> socialevil, I had to write down the Mode Lines for CRT screen
[04:05] <nils_> sounds a bit like the four yorkshiremen...
[04:05] <okieiam> nils_ it actually automatically rotate seriously on Gnome only not Unuty
[04:05] <socialevil> Memories down the line :))
[04:05] <nils_> okieiam, so how would you feel about opening a shell every time you open unity to rotate your screen?
[04:05] <okieiam> anyone on GNome
[04:06] <freedumbs> hello! want to try a different xorg  driver for my video card ... try to install with apt-get ... fglrx : Depends: lib32gcc1 but it is not going to be installed ... why? using 64 bit kernel. annoying.
[04:06] <cfhowlett> !info gflrx
[04:06] <socialevil> I remember some ifconfig stuff for the internet.. Damn ... Now i just click and write my wifi pass
[04:06] <freedumbs> trying to install fglrz
[04:06] <okieiam> it should be complicated nils_ that way
[04:06] <freedumbs> !info fglrx
[04:06] <cfhowlett> !info fglrx
[04:06] <freedumbs> hah!
[04:07] <freedumbs> wtf?
[04:07] <cfhowlett> language ...
[04:07] <rangemonger> lolwut
[04:07] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, thanks a lot. problem fixed :)
[04:08] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[04:08] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, happy2help!
[04:08] <okieiam> Gome is more touch friendly than Unity
[04:08] <freedumbs> THANKS Flannel
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Flannel: What release ? as there is no longer a FGLRX driver .
[04:09] <Flannel> Bashing-om: you mean freedumbs ^^
[04:09] <Bashing-om> Flannel: Yeah .. ny bad . my apologies :)
[04:10] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, that command also fixed my other computer. it would boot into a black screen. now fixed :)
[04:10] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, do you feel that warm glow inside?  yes, yes, let the leet flow through you!
[04:11]  * linuxuser :D
[04:12] <linuxuser> im a long time user of linux mint but now im back to ubuntu
[04:12] <CodeMouse92> Where is the best tutorial for a complete newbie to Debian packaging to create a PPA?
[04:12] <cfhowlett> !packaging | CodeMouse92
[04:13] <freedumbs> indians are scum
[04:13] <linuxuser> is this just a help channel or people it can be off topic too?
[04:13] <cfhowlett> freedumbs, stop your nonsense now.
[04:13] <Flannel> linuxuser: this is just support, go to #ubuntu-offtopic for general chatter
[04:13] <CodeMouse92> linuxuser: This is help only. offtopic is #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:13] <sintre> help mods would like
[04:13] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | freedumbs
[04:13] <linuxuser> thanks guys
[04:15] <robotti^> x§tttqw/win 29
[04:32] <CodeMouse92> I'm assuming that, if I *really* need a package from Debian sid (I have all the dependencies), I should just install the .deb manually, and NOT add sid to my apt sources?
[04:32] <Ben64> CodeMouse92: neither
[04:33] <bazhang> CodeMouse92, never mix debian in there
[04:33] <ngaio> cfhowlett, I made an MP4 video illustrating the severe screen flicker problem that I've come across. I've uploaded it to my website. It's 366 MB. Do you want the URL?
[04:33] <CodeMouse92> Let me specify: I need a third party package, and either I can install the .deb that happens to be available for Debian Sid, or I can spend seven hours Debian packaging it myself.
[04:33] <CodeMouse92> But I have to have the package.
[04:34] <Ben64> i'll bite, what is the package
[04:34] <CodeMouse92> libc++
[04:34] <Ben64> jesus no stop
[04:34] <freedumbs> indians are amazing people.
[04:34] <CodeMouse92> LLVM's version, NOT GNU's libstdc++, Ben64.
[04:34] <cfhowlett> freedumbs, you have been warned ...
[04:34] <CodeMouse92> Relax. :)
[04:35] <Ben64> stop
[04:35] <freedumbs> what i love indians.
[04:35] <freedumbs> ubuntu. together one.
[04:35] <freedumbs> unity!
[04:35] <cfhowlett> freedumbs, go to someone else's channel to play.
[04:35] <Ben64> CodeMouse92: what's wrong with ubuntu's version
[04:35] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: Too old, showstopper bug.
[04:36] <bazhang> freedumbs, not here
[04:36] <CodeMouse92> (In case you're wondering, I'm an expert-level C++ developer, so I'm not installing something willy-nilly. libc++ is not installed anywhere otherwise - this would be fresh.)
[04:36] <bazhang> take the chat elsewhere please freedumbs
[04:36] <freedumbs> CodeMouse92: wow. sounds scary.
[04:36] <Ben64> CodeMouse92: you're still doing it wrong
[04:37] <freedumbs> CodeMouse92: sounds like you've wasted your life.
[04:37] <bazhang> CodeMouse92, it's not supported here, please dont continue asking here for help
[04:37] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: Okay, I'll bite. This will be version #5 of how to get the latest version of this working. What's your idea?
[04:37] <Ben64> install debian
[04:37] <bazhang> CodeMouse92, compile or get a PPA
[04:37] <CodeMouse92> bazhang: All righty. Nevermind on all points.
[04:38] <CodeMouse92> I guess I'm going to go build a PPA for this.
[04:38] <Ben64> or report the bug, fix the bug if you're an expert
[04:38] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: You seem to have missed the point. The bug IS fixed.  I really can't detail it here, and doing so won't really help me.
[04:40] <CodeMouse92> Because, point is, I need LLVM libc++ 3.9, not 3.5
[04:40] <nils_> CodeMouse92, you don't like libstdc++?
[04:40] <CodeMouse92> Okay, I'm done.
[04:40] <Ben64> it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't be fixed for ubuntu, but whatever, if you can't even detail it, who cares
[04:40] <bazhang> he's gone, lets get back to ubuntu support please
[04:40] <Tatou> Does it matter what I call a mount?
[04:41] <Tatou> Can it be /tatou/likes/dogs For example?
[04:41] <nils_> Tatou, do your in laws have access to your computer?
[04:41] <Ben64> Tatou: if you want, sure
[04:42] <Tatou> So this is for vagrant.. I want to share some code..
[04:42] <ngaio> speaking of Ubuntu support, does anyone want to take a look at a video where maximizing the Ubuntu terminal when it is full of text makes the screen flicker like crazy? http://damonlynch.net/share/Ubuntu1610screen-flicker.mp4
[04:42] <ngaio> it's 366 MB
[04:44] <one808> 132
[04:44] <one808> 321
[04:44] <ngaio> this is on an Nvidia GTX 1070 using driver 375.26 from the "graphics-drivers" PPA
[04:44] <one808> ??
[04:44] <one808> 你们说什么？
 The special thing is, that you send the comand "shout start" and the program stays open until I press "CTRL + C". What would be the best way to run this on bootup? Without stopping the service.
[05:07] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, http://dpaste.com/26QY6T8
[05:08] <cfhowlett> linuxuser, not something I can instantly suss out, but libgl points to graphics ... I think.  At any rate, #ubuntu-steam would know more
[05:09] <linuxuser> cfhowlett, thanks
[05:09] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[05:10] <chomwitt> sth messy happes in 16.04 with gnome-software packages. package is kept from apt-get upgrade
[05:14] <bazhang> chomwitt, did you try dist-upgrade to get those held back packages
[05:14] <bazhang> chomwitt, that does NOT change versions
[05:15] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | chomwitt
[05:16] <chomwitt> bazhang: nop , i did the usual : apt-get update , apt-get upgrade
[05:16] <chomwitt> !upgrade
[05:16] <bazhang> chomwitt, then try it?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> bazhang, apt-get upgrade is NOT the same as apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:17] <chomwitt> cfhowlett: so should i try it?
[05:17] <cfhowlett> as bazhang wisely suggested --- yes!
[05:17] <bazhang> cfhowlett, correct
[05:17] <chomwitt> cfhowlett: ok.
[05:19] <ali_> quit
[05:19] <ali_> exit
[05:19] <linuxuser> how do i open a folder as admin?
[05:19] <chomwitt> just being curious, why apt-get upgrade cant handle this ?
[05:19] <ali_> sudo nautilus path/to/folder/
[05:19] <bazhang> linuxuser, why would you need to do that
[05:21] <linuxuser> bazhang, add somehting to sources.list
[05:21] <bazhang> linuxuser, then sudo nano
[05:22] <linuxuser> not practical for me to use nano
[05:22] <linuxuser> gedit would be better
[05:22] <cfhowlett> nano gedit vim ... no shortage of editors.  choose 1.
[05:22] <bazhang> linuxuser, then use what is practical for you
[05:23] <linuxuser> need to open file or folder as root though
[05:23] <cfhowlett> sudo gedit filename ...
[05:23] <linuxuser> dont know how
[05:23] <linuxuser> hmm
[05:23] <linuxuser> ok
[05:23] <linuxuser> thanks
[05:23] <cfhowlett> and you best be very certain about what you change as root
[05:24] <bazhang> in /etc/apt/sources.list linuxuser
[05:26] <ngaio> I filed bug #1653323 regarding the screen flicker problem, FWIW
[05:27] <linuxuser> finally got steam to work now :)
[05:27] <piousminion> Hi, can I 'dd' the mini.iso to my usb drive? i.e. Is the image a hybrid?
[05:29] <linuxuser> hybrid?
[05:30] <piousminion> linuxuser: yes. I hybrid iso that can boot from cdrom or usb. Rather common these days.
[05:31] <linuxuser> piousminion, i think the answer is yes
[05:31] <linuxuser> try it out and see if it boots?
[05:32] <piousminion> linuxuser: I guess that's the only option I have. :P
[05:32] <mohamed_> hi i want learn programing languge for IT
[05:32] <linuxuser> mohamed_, youtube has plenty of tutorials
[05:33] <mohamed_> but i cant wat can we du to first languge i learn first
[05:34] <bazhang> mohamed_, please ask in ##programming
[05:34] <bazhang> mohamed_, this is ubuntu support
[05:34] <mohamed_> ok
[05:36] <mohamed_> wat can we do to download program to ubuntu
[05:36] <tomreyn> !apt | mohamed_
[05:38] <mohamed_> thanks
[05:46] <Gaming4JC> Is it just me or is this site down? https://trac.videolan.org/
[05:46] <Gaming4JC> -_-
[05:46] <rangemonger> just you
[05:46] <Gaming4JC> Keeps saying "Environment not found"
[05:46] <Gaming4JC> weird.
[05:47] <rangemonger> hmm, thats weird
[05:47] <rangemonger> apparently its not just you
[05:47] <rangemonger> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/https://trac.videolan.org/
[05:47] <rangemonger> but it loaded for me
[05:47] <Gaming4JC> odd...
[05:48] <rangemonger> i think down for everyones https thinger doesnt work
[05:48] <rangemonger> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/trac.videolan.org
[05:48] <rangemonger> if you  do it without https, it works
[05:49] <Gaming4JC> ah ok
[05:53] <nkr_> Is there any easy way to resize a luks partition?
[05:54] <nkr_> I want to install a new distro, my entire drive is formated ext/4 luks
[05:58] <nils_> nkr_, not easy but it's possible
[05:58] <nils_> nkr_, unless you want to shrink it?
[05:59] <piousminion> linuxuser: It 'was' a hybrid, FYI. :)
[06:06] <fallen_> iam new user for linux .how to trace someonce number using backbox 4.6
[06:07] <fallen_> help me please please
[06:07] <ObrienDave> !patience
[06:08] <xangua> fallen_: this is Ubuntu support, not backbox
[06:21] <goose_> Hey everyone
[06:22] <goose_> So, im on Ubuntu 16.04 GNOME and the little menu buttons in apps isnt there, any help?
[06:23] <LinuxNovice> hello. what are the recommended system requirement for Kubuntu 16.10 and 16.04?
[06:24] <goose_> WHERE IS IT OG MY GOD
[06:24] <sanjay> hi
[06:24] <sanjay> i am having issue with ubuntu
[06:24] <goose_> LinuxNovice, http://askubuntu.com/questions/333795/what-are-the-system-requirements-for-each-flavour-of-ubuntu-desktop
[06:24] <sanjay> regarding sound
[06:24] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, if it works, no problem LOL
[06:24] <LinuxNovice> I have a laptop that runs on Intel Celeron M 1.6 Ghz single core cup and 2 gb ram. Can it run Kubuntu?
[06:25] <goose_> most likely yeah
[06:25] <sanjay> i am using sound blaster sound card and 7.1 creative inspire t series with 7.1 channelsound card is 5.1 channel
[06:25] <goose_> drivers installed?
[06:25] <sanjay> it has
[06:25] <LinuxNovice> Great. Will try that.
[06:25] <sanjay> but
[06:25] <LinuxNovice> I have Xubuntu 16.10 installed on this laptop.
[06:26] <sanjay> drivers are the one which are installed by default
[06:26] <okieiam> I need ro ask some one from Gnome shell developer
[06:26] <LinuxNovice> how can I install Kubuntu on it, now?
[06:26] <sanjay> in between sound vanishes while playing
[06:26] <goose_> sanjay, you updated them?
[06:26] <okieiam> I need to ask some one from Gnome shell developer
[06:26] <ObrienDave> so? just install the Kubuntu desktop. same core system
[06:26] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, ^^^
[06:26] <goose_> ObrienDave, I think he is putting it on antoher laptop
[06:26] <sanjay> sanjay@sanjay-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:~$ su root
[06:26] <sanjay> Password:
[06:26] <sanjay> root@sanjay-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:/home/sanjay# lspci
[06:26] <sanjay> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port B) (rev 02)
[06:26] <sanjay> 00:00.2 IOMMU: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD990 I/O Memory Management Unit (IOMMU)
[06:26] <LinuxNovice> Should I go for dual booting or replacing it with Kubuntu?
[06:26] <sanjay> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port B)
[06:27] <goose_> pastebin is your friend
[06:27] <Gaming4JC> !oneline
[06:27] <Gaming4JC> !pastebin
[06:27] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, just install the Kubuntu desktop. same core system. select which DE you want at login screen
[06:27] <LinuxNovice> ok.  how to install kubuntu desktop?
[06:27] <sanjay> root@sanjay-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:/home/sanjay# lspci
[06:28] <sanjay> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port B) (rev 02)
[06:28] <sanjay> 00:00.2 IOMMU: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD990 I/O Memory Management Unit (IOMMU)
[06:28] <sanjay> 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port B)
[06:28] <sanjay> 00:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port D)
[06:28] <Gaming4JC> !pastebin | sandeepkr_
[06:28] <sanjay> 00:09.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port H)
[06:28] <Gaming4JC> dude use pastebin please
[06:28] <Gaming4JC> :)
[06:28] <ObrienDave> sanjay, STOP!!!
[06:28] <okieiam> I need to ask some one from Gnome shell developer
[06:29] <LinuxNovice> let me mention it again. My laptop runs on Intel Celeron M single core 1.6 Ghz cpu and 2 gb ram.
[06:29] <Gaming4JC> LinuxNovice: You should test the Kubuntu LiveCD/LiveUSB first, to make sure it works on your laptop
[06:29] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, in terminal, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:30] <LinuxNovice> ok. thanks guys.
[06:30] <sanjay> root@sanjay-To-be-filled-by-O-E-M:/home/sanjay# lspci | grep sb*  00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port B) (rev 02) 00:00.2 IOMMU: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD990 I/O Memory Management Unit (IOMMU) 00:02.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port B) 00:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI b
[06:30] <sanjay> ridge (PCI express gpp port D) 00:09.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (PCI express gpp port H) 00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[06:30] <sanjay> 00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
[06:30] <sanjay> 00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
[06:30] <sanjay> 00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller
[06:30] <sanjay> 00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB EHCI Controller
[06:30] <Gaming4JC> !pastebin | sanjay
[06:31] <LinuxNovice> among all the flavours of Ubuntu, which one is most resource hungry?
[06:31] <Gaming4JC> KDE and Standard Unity imo
[06:31] <ObrienDave> the standard one with Unity
[06:32] <Gaming4JC> Xubuntu and Lubuntu are nice for low resources
[06:32] <ObrienDave> I run Xubuntu on a gamilng laptop, very nice
[06:32] <ObrienDave> *gaming
[06:33] <goose_> Okay, I cannot figure this out any help?
[06:33] <goose_> Looked EVERYWHERE
[06:33] <Gaming4JC> what exactly are you looking for? :/
[06:33] <goose_> You know on the top of apps where it says "Menu, file, edit, etc"?
[06:33] <goose_> Its not there in gnome
[06:33] <goose_> cant figure it out
[06:34] <Gaming4JC> oh
[06:34] <Gaming4JC> hmm..
[06:34] <goose_> Its here in hexchat
[06:34] <goose_> Here is example
[06:34] <Gaming4JC> in gnome3 they clone apple afaik, it shows in the top bar
[06:34] <LinuxNovice> ok. I'll try Kubuntu live usb.
[06:34] <Gaming4JC> outside the window
[06:35] <goose_> Here is what I mean
[06:35] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, why? just install the KDE desktop. no need to go through all of that
[06:35] <goose_> http://i.imgur.com/rwov133.png
[06:35] <LinuxNovice> which flavour of Ubuntu replicates the near Windows experience?
[06:36] <goose_> LinuxNovice, Unity, cinammon, gnome, xfce in my experience
[06:36] <LinuxNovice> ok. that's better, I think. I'll install KDE desktop.
[06:36] <ObrienDave> none, look into ZorinOS for a windows like appearance
[06:36] <goose_> kde is probabaly closest actually
[06:36] <goose_> As far as layout i mean
[06:36] <goose_> UGH
[06:37] <Gaming4JC> goose_: You mean this? http://i.imgur.com/XBABwQG.png
[06:37] <ObrienDave> i never said Zorin was any good ;P
[06:37] <goose_> Yeah but its not there in terminal either
[06:37] <LinuxNovice> let me try KDE. I already have Xubuntu installed on my laptop.
[06:37] <goose_> Gaming4JC, http://i.imgur.com/qqd6M6z.jpg
[06:37] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, in terminal, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <goose_> cant you just use apt now?
[06:38] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, ok.
[06:38] <goose_> instead of apt-get
[06:38] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, at login, look in top right corner, you can select the DE there
[06:38] <LinuxNovice> ok.
[06:38] <Gaming4JC> goose_: Ok that looks messed up, not even showing in the top bar as it should be :P
[06:39] <goose_> yeah cant figure out how to re-enable or what the hell
[06:39] <LinuxNovice> Let me reboot into Xubuntu, first.
[06:39] <goose_> I mean, I just installed this tonight and got it where I want it,  dont wanna reinstall
[06:39] <goose_> I figured I just disabled somewhere but idk
[06:39] <Gaming4JC> I believe there is a config for this
[06:40] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, you can have every DE that ubuntu offers in that same menu. ALL *buntus use the same core system, just different DEs and such
[06:43] <Gaming4JC> goose_: It seems it is defective by design: https://wiki.gnome.org/Gnome3CheatSheet#Applications Application menus were moved outside of applications in Gnome3
[06:43] <Gaming4JC> Another reason I am using budgie-desktop
[06:43] <Gaming4JC> :P
[06:44] <goose_> I could have sworn they were there a few days ago in gnome3
[06:44] <Gaming4JC> gnome-fallback/classic used to have it
[06:44] <goose_> HAHA!
[06:44] <goose_> FUCK YEAH
[06:44] <goose_> I got it. Its under preference, but couldnt get to preferences without that before
[06:44] <goose_> thanks!
[06:45] <Gaming4JC> cool.
[06:46] <nkr_> Currently on ubuntu 16.10. Am I able to run manjaro side by side without creating new partitions?
[06:46] <nkr_> 16.04
[06:46] <goose_> Id imagine not since its a whole other distro
[06:46] <goose_> So it would need a new partition
[06:46] <nkr_> That's what i was thinking.
[06:47] <nkr_> Unfortunatly my drive is ext/4 luks
[06:47] <Gaming4JC> unless you have a spare hdd or usb drive
[06:47] <goose_> Yeah I just bought a new SSD for linux
[06:47] <rangemonger> what about running it in a vm
[06:47] <Gaming4JC> or virt-manager/virtualbox
[06:47] <nkr_> It's not the same in vm.  Just trying to play with linux a little again.  You?
[07:05] <goose_> Same here, just got back on after awhile
[07:05] <Fla_2016> Hello
[07:05] <goose_> Hi!
[07:05] <ekim> Hello
[07:06] <ekim> Yeah it has been many years since I dabbled but always didn't care for windows, just forced to use it.    Is it complicated to do?  I was looking at FreeNAS to try.
[07:09] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: ive used it but its been a while
[07:09] <ducasse> ekim: freenas is not linux-based, but freebsd
[07:09] <goose_> wtf steam
[07:09] <LinuxNovice> yes, Logged in Xubuntu now
[07:09] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, in terminal, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:09] <Fla_2016> Ok, when i'launch PCSX2, i get the error message "It was unable to start gs plugin". Ubuntu Mate 16.04 , ati radeon 9200
[07:10] <ekim> ducasse:  dang, didn't think about that.  Just started looking it up!  Thanks.
[07:10] <LinuxNovice> running that command now.
[07:10] <Fla_2016> with the ubuntu 14.04 it worked great
[07:10] <LinuxNovice> 40% completed.
[07:10] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: what videocards in your box?
[07:10] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, WAIT for it to finish installing before doing anything else
[07:11] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: oh, 9200, missed tghat
[07:11] <Fla_2016> ragemonger: radeon 9200
[07:11] <rangemonger> *that
[07:11] <LinuxNovice> ok
[07:11] <ducasse> ekim: freenas is an excellent product, but quite offtopic here. i'm sure they have their own channel, though.
[07:12] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: whith ubuntu 14.04 it worked great
[07:12] <rangemonger> what drivers were on there vs now?
[07:12] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, let me know when the terminal prompt shows up again
[07:12] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: mesa
[07:13] <ekim> ducasse:  Yeah I get it.  I was more interested in something that works within linux so I wont be using or talking about it (freeNAS) now!
[07:14] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: mesa both bimes?
[07:14] <rangemonger> *times
[07:14] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: Yess
[07:14] <ekim> That is why I through the name out there cause I thought it worked with it.  My apologies!
[07:15] <ducasse> ekim: you can set up zfs and nfs or samba yourself on ubuntu, but you'll need to do some reading. it works really well, though, i use zfs and nfs on ubunutu myself.
[07:15] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: wonder if its a pcsx2 plugin issue
[07:16] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: Yes, I think it is a program plugin problem
[07:16] <rangemonger> what ver of the emu/plugin are you trying?
[07:16] <LinuxNovice> ok
[07:17] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, just over 50% completed.
[07:18] <ObrienDave> just wait
[07:18] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, ok
[07:18] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: PCSX2 1.4.0
[07:18] <ekim> ducasse:  yeah that is what I was afraid of.  I was hoping for something simple and fairly quick/easy to setup.  Time restraints.  Thanks I will check into it.
[07:18] <xXEoflaOEXx> when I install xpenguins it installs fine without errors and when I try to run it, it says that it is redrawing overwritten desktop icons but it never finishes. Ubuntu 16.10
[07:19] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, It might take another 28 minutes to complete. As it says in the terminal.
[07:19] <ducasse> ekim: i strongly recommend taking the time to learn the underlying tech you use, so you will be able to fix problems.
[07:19] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: thats pretty dated, why not try the current ver?
[07:20] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, that's fine, just let it cook
[07:20] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: and uses gsdx (gcc 5.3.1,sse2)1.0.0
[07:20] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, ok
[07:20] <ObrienDave> biaf
[07:21] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: But this is not the latest version?
[07:21] <LinuxNovice> Which DE in Linux is the most suitable replacement for Windows desktop?
[07:22] <LinuxNovice> something that works almost like Windows.
[07:22] <rangemonger> Flannel: oh crap, my bad, for some reason i thought they were at 2.0.0
[07:22] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: oh crap, my bad, for some reason i thought they were at 2.0.0
[07:23] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, they mostly work like windows, they don't quite look the same, but the basic functionality is similar
[07:24] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: no, this is the lastes version in official site
[07:24] <dorothy> Is it good to have Windows as host system as Ubuntu as guest system in a virtual machine or vice-versa? I would prefer Ubuntu as host and Windows and android-x86 as guest in my virtual machine. But I am a computer student and college lab uses Windows softwares more
[07:24] <LinuxNovice> I meant, which DE look almost like Windows. Which is most convenient for someone switching from Windows?
[07:24] <xangua> LinuxNovice: if you want something that resembles and acts closely like Windows, maybe you should keep window
[07:25] <ekim> ducasse:  That I am going to do but just hoped for a quick setup to get it going.  A long time ago and I mean along time ago, there was a built in setup with Suse that all you had to do is right click on it and answer the screens.  Worked great but I see nothing like that is around nowadays!  :)
[07:25] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: yeah, youre right
[07:25] <LinuxNovice> I intend to dump Windows forever.
[07:25] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, this is NOT windows, this is Linux. you'll get used to it fairly quickly
[07:25] <LinuxNovice> ok
[07:26] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: im installing it right now....
[07:26] <ducasse> ekim: suse still has something like that, but it uses btrfs. personally i would not recommend that for important data, but use zfs instead.
[07:27] <LinuxNovice> anyone from India, here?
[07:27] <ducasse> ekim: it's not _that_ hard to do, i'm sure you'd get help here to set it up.
[07:27] <rangemonger> im wondering if the newer build of the emu requires a newer ogl version than the videocard offers
[07:27] <cfhowlett> dorothy, they both work
[07:27] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: yeah..
[07:27] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: last time when I was using the 14:04 gave me the opportunity to use another library instead of opengl, but I do not remember what :-)
[07:28] <rangemonger> probably a software render
[07:28] <dorothy> cfhowlett: I know they both work but often some tasks requires being able to use the real hardware than through the virtual layer. For example for gaming and for video editing you need real hardware
[07:28] <LinuxNovice> Why is Linux or Ubuntu particularly not used by more computer users as compared to Windows?
[07:29] <cfhowlett> dorothy, so since you know ... what is your precise question?
[07:29] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, there is a theme for KDE or xfwm called Redmond. It looks very close to classic windows. if that's what you're after
[07:29] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: already :-)
[07:29] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, as far as Aero? not that I know of
[07:30] <rangemonger> i dunno
[07:30] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, ok. will try that after this installation of KDE is complete.
[07:30] <dorothy> cfhowlett: I am confused whether to have Windows as host OS or Ubuntu as host OS. I would like to switch between OS seamlessly. I use Ubuntu often but certain softwares don't work well with linux and some requires real hardware
[07:30] <ducasse> redmond is a gtk theme.
[07:31] <nkr_> Ubuntu host, VM win for poker.
[07:31] <ekim> ducasse:  I will have to look up that zfs.
[07:31] <cfhowlett> dorothy, if you truly want to experience linux, linux = host.  otherwise, reverse it
[07:31] <LinuxNovice> do we need any anti virus software on Ubuntu?
[07:31] <ducasse> !zfs | ekim
[07:31] <dorothy> LinuxNovice: Because it's not as user-friendly and as much available to most users and Windows comes with your computer when you buy at a computer store
[07:32] <rangemonger> does pcsx2 not have a gui on linux?
[07:32] <nkr_> I will never go back to win after using linux.
[07:32] <LinuxNovice> nkr_, I also feel the same.
[07:33] <ducasse> !virus | LinuxNovice
[07:33] <nkr_> What desktop environments are you running? Anything mind blowing. I want to change it up a bit.
[07:33] <dorothy> cfhowlett: I am experiencing linux. Have been using linux for years. It's simply that I am not sure whether all the softwares required for a bachelor's course in computer science would work on virtual system as Windows as guest OS on a linux host
[07:34] <nkr_> I have a web dev friend says he only hangs on to win because of photoshop.
[07:34] <LinuxNovice> nkr_, I am using Xubuntu 16.10
[07:34] <cfhowlett> dorothy, obviously I would have no way of answering that question.  so here's a plan: it's the holiday.  set up your machine.  test yoru seoftware.
[07:34] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: is the certainly, you find the item games
[07:34] <nkr_> Xubuntu, i'll check this.
[07:34] <rangemonger> yeah, it doesnt launch, im looking into it
[07:35] <LinuxNovice> can we run photoshop on Ubuntu through Wine?
[07:35] <ObrienDave> nkr_, the Xubuntu DE is anything BUT mind blowing. fairly plain. no bells and whistles. it's designed for lower end systems
[07:36] <rangemonger> ill use the one from the ppa
[07:36] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: older versions, yes
[07:36] <nkr_> @ObrienDave I've got a powerful notebook, looking for something cutting edge.
[07:37] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: In fact, I wanted to avoid throwing some ppa..
[07:37] <LinuxNovice> nkr_, which brand of notebook you have? what are it's specifications?
[07:37] <ObrienDave> Xubuntu will NOT be it. such flash-in-the-pants things impress me for 15 seconds or so ;P
[07:37] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: please take questions like that to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:37] <rangemonger> i think its the same ver anyway
[07:38] <nkr_> asus, ddr4 16gb 2133, 512ssd 100kiops, i5 something 3.2
[07:38] <LinuxNovice> ok
[07:38] <nkr_> 960m
[07:38] <rangemonger> oh, not the same... 1.5.0
[07:39] <piousminion> Anyone know how login shells are started on tty2-6 considering there is only a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[07:39] <rangemonger> damn, same problem
[07:39] <LinuxNovice> how to completely remove kubuntu desktop, in case it doesn't work or work as fast as I want it to?
[07:39] <piousminion> OR.. know how to set up automatic console login?
[07:39] <ducasse> piousminion: iirc they are spawned when you switch to them.
[07:39] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: acc
[07:40] <piousminion> ducasse: yes, what 'what' spawns them?
[07:40] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, in terminal, sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[07:40] <ducasse> piousminion: systemd
[07:40] <piousminion> ducasse: how if there is no service set to? lol
[07:40] <LinuxNovice> ok
[07:40] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: but you just can not start of the application?
[07:41] <ducasse> piousminion: aiui, it's done by logind. it sees you switch to a new tty, and generates a service on the fly.
[07:42] <piousminion> ducasse: hmm, I didn't know it could do that. Are you familiar enough to help me with a service override?
[07:42] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: yeah, cant start it... yet
[07:42] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, I think the installation is completed.
[07:43] <LinuxNovice> there is a prompt.
[07:43] <ducasse> piousminion: sorry, no. in _theory_ you just do 'systemctl edit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and add your stuff, but i've never tried.
[07:44] <piousminion> ducasse: Wasn't aware of that option either.  I'm used to building these files by hand and plopping them in. :P  thanks
[07:44] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, hello...
[07:45] <ducasse> piousminion: there's also '... edit --full ...' or something like that, look at the man page for details
[07:45] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: mah..the ppa vers?
[07:46] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: However, when a function is really cool
[07:46] <ubuntu-mate> ys
[07:46] <rangemonger> both versions
[07:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse, insomnia here.... :-)
[07:46] <ubuntu-mate> any body?
[07:46] <ObrienDave> LinuxNovice, ok, when you relog, at the login screen, look in top right corner, you'll see an icon that has a mouse head on it, that's where you'll select the DE
[07:47] <ducasse> BluesKaj: hehe, wb :)
[07:47] <ubuntu-mate> i'm a new
[07:47] <ducasse> !ask | ubuntu-mate
[07:48] <ekim> ducasse:  thanks for the info.  Thanks for the link ubottu.
[07:48] <LinuxNovice> ObrienDave, which display manager should I choose lightdm or sddm?
[07:48] <LinuxNovice> as the default DM.
[07:48] <ekim> nite all.  have a good one!
[07:48] <ObrienDave> lightdm is the login screen
[07:48] <ducasse> ekim: if you need more stuff on zfs, like tutorials, come back and ask me. i'm here most days.
[07:49] <ubuntu-mate> ok , it seems there's nobody
[07:49] <ubuntu-mate> bye
[07:49] <LinuxNovice> which one should I choose?
[07:49] <ObrienDave> don't know, i don't use KDE
[07:49] <ekim> ducasse:  I will try to remember that.  Much appreciated.
[07:49] <ObrienDave> try lightdm
[07:49] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: if you use kde i would probably choose sddm
[07:50] <ObrienDave> scratch my suggestion ;P
[07:50] <ducasse> LinuxNovice: (that's the kde display manager)
[07:50] <LinuxNovice> ducasse, I'll choose that.
[07:51] <piousminion> Well, I hosed my system. No login prompts. lol  Any idea how to access whatever bootloader 16.04 uses? :P
[07:52] <ducasse> piousminion: hold shift or esc on boot
[07:52] <cfhowlett> !grub2 | piousminion
[07:53] <nkr_> Happened to me before.  I used a windows install disk, formated, installed windows. Created new linux usb iso installer. Installed linux.
[07:53] <piousminion> thanks
[07:53] <BluesKaj> piousminion hold down the left shift key right after the logo/post screen
[07:59] <piousminion> All fixed. thanks. :)
[08:00] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: hmmm, now on my vm, i get other errors
[08:00] <rangemonger> aaaand after a delay, it works
[08:02] <rangemonger> wonder if you can dl another plugin to try
[08:03] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: In fact, it is what I was looking if there is an alternative plugin
[08:04] <parents> hi
[08:04] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: i've seen ZZOGL lib..but not foud where to download for linux
[08:05] <parents> hello
[08:06] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: could be wrong but the plugin might be the same for both OSs
[08:06] <BluesKaj> paramourne, yes we see your post
[08:07] <BluesKaj> wrong nick, no instant grat here
[08:07] <rangemonger> ive got a stash of plugins somewhere
[08:08] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: Hopefully, but I not really find where to download it
[08:09] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: Great notice :-)
[08:09] <Xposed^> ciao
[08:09] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: for me it would be enough to know where to download them
[08:10] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: let me know :-)
[08:11] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: im a bit rusty, how do i boot just the bios?
[08:11] <Xposed^> !list
[08:12] <ObrienDave> lordy
[08:12] <rangemonger> Flannel: i dont know, ill look where to get em, i got em years ago
[08:13] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: ^
[08:15] <rangemonger> got it
[08:15] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: hmm, owrks for me right out of the box
[08:16] <rangemonger> and its on a vm on an intel gfx system
[08:21] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/ps2/ps2plugins.html
[08:21] <linocisco> hi all,
[08:21] <linocisco> what is opensource alternative to VMware ESX-i?
[08:21] <rangemonger> linocisco: kvm or xen
[08:21] <rangemonger> kvm is part of the linux kernal
[08:21] <rangemonger> comes with it
[08:22] <linocisco> rangemonger, can they really do hardware-based Virtuallization like VMware?
[08:22] <rangemonger> you might want to check out the package virt-manager
[08:22] <rangemonger> yes, better than it
[08:23] <rangemonger> hence the reason lots of people that deal with VMs think VMwares days are numbered
[08:24] <rangemonger> i say this as someone who used vmw ws daily since ver 3 or so
[08:25] <linocisco> rangemonger, ok.
[08:26] <nkr_> Virtmanager native linux?
[08:27] <rangemonger> Fla_2016: i dont know, i can use psx2 right out of the box on my vm, try those plugins from that site, maybe try looking into the drivers for that videocard
[08:27] <nkr_> I've never heard of this vm.
[08:27] <rangemonger> nkr_: yeah its a native app in the main repos
[08:28] <nkr_> How does it perform compared with vbox?
[08:28] <Fla_2016> rangemonger: THANKS
[08:28] <rangemonger> np, hope it works out
[08:28] <stepper> hey so is ubuntu like a beginners linux
[08:28] <rangemonger> nkr_: well virtman is just a front end for xen and kvm
[08:29] <xangua> stepper: Ubuntu is for anyone and everyone
[08:29] <rangemonger> about the same but it has vt-d, VBOXs vtd doesnt work right
[08:29] <stepper> yes even beginners xangua
[08:30] <ObrienDave> stepper, ubuntu is a real linux system. it's only as good as you are
[08:30] <stepper> like myself ...someone who can onl.y use windows...i seem to be doing fine on this linux
[08:30] <stepper> ah that was my next question ObrienDave ...is ubuntu a real linux
[08:31] <rangemonger> nkr_: kvm is built into linux and easier to get going, xen is a little bit more tricky, atleast if youre going to use vt-d
[08:31] <baizon> stepper: yes it is
[08:31] <ObrienDave> a NOT real linux system would be CygWin, for example
[08:32] <stepper> wow its amazing ...i never knew linux was pretty much just like windows...my ubuntu is no harder than windows
[08:32] <stepper> excellent choice for a first linux
[08:33] <ObrienDave> the basics of computer use are close to the same, it's when you get into the CLI and scripting that it's different
[08:33] <stepper> ah the cli, i havent bothered with that yet
[08:34] <ObrienDave> it's known as the terminal
[08:34] <stepper> yes i heard about it the terminal or cli or command line
[08:34] <BluesKaj> or shell
[08:34] <stepper> but i dont think i need it on ubuntu, everything just seems to work from the windows
[08:35] <ObrienDave> you will, there is a LOT of things that are much easier in the shell
[08:35] <acresearch> people, what is wrong with unity 8?
[08:35] <ObrienDave> it's unity ;P
[08:35] <acresearch> is it for PCs or mobile phones?
[08:36] <acresearch> ObrienDave: haha
[08:36] <ducasse> acresearch: it's not ready yet
[08:37] <acresearch> ducasse: why was it included in 16.10?
[08:37] <ObrienDave> and it's unity ;P
[08:37] <ducasse> acresearch: it's included as a 'tech preview' only
[08:37] <acresearch> ducasse: oh ok
[08:38] <acresearch> ducasse: when do you think it will roll out as the primary environment?
[08:38] <ducasse> acresearch: when it's ready :)
[08:39] <ducasse> acresearch: also, according to mark s., the community will choose whether they want unity 7 or 8
[08:40] <ObrienDave> oh no! not the mark s. ;P
[08:51] <wiselydoesit> trying to get Android Studio / Android Emulator setup, is umake still the recommended method on Yakkety?
[08:51] <ObrienDave> you're compiling it?
[08:52] <ObrienDave> https://developer.android.com/studio/install.html
[08:53] <Guest76180> How to run Vino ubuntu 16.04?
[08:54] <ObrienDave> do you mean run WINE?
[08:54] <ducasse> Guest76180: /etc/xdg/autostart/vino-server.desktop should autostart it
[09:02] <wiselydoesit> i'm just running "sudo umake android" ObrienDave , we shall see what happens.
[09:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:05] <meldron> hey guys, recently after i boot my machien the wired network connection is not working, only after i manually restart via the tray icon it works again, anybody had a simular problem?
[09:06] <ObrienDave> meldron, which kernel are you running?
[09:07] <meldron> ObrienDave: 4.4.0-57-generic
[09:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> meldron, which version of ubuntu
[09:07] <meldron> SebthreeBQM10HD: 16.04
[09:08] <ObrienDave> meldron, 4.8.x.x is available in the repos, try that
[09:09] <meldron> ObrienDave: installing via deb file?
[09:09] <ObrienDave> use synaptic to find it
[09:09] <meldron> linux-image-4.8.0-32-generic?
[09:10] <ObrienDave> sec...
[09:10] <baizon> meldron, ObrienDave: linux-image-4.8.0-32-generic
[09:11] <meldron> is there some kind of meta packe which also installs hedaer files...?
[09:12] <rangemonger> isnt there a linux-headers?
[09:12] <ObrienDave> linux-signed-generic-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:13] <ObrienDave> that's the complete package
[09:13] <ObrienDave> linux-signed-image-4.8.0-32-generic
[09:13] <meldron> ah tanks alot
[09:13] <ObrienDave> not that last one
[09:14] <meldron> what I always wnated to know: is there a difference between linux-headers-4.8.0-30 and linux-headers-4.8.0-30-generic?
[09:15] <ObrienDave> headers is only part of the complete package
[09:16] <ObrienDave> or the low-latency version, linux-signed-lowlatency-hwe-16.04-edge
[09:23] <ObrienDave> meldron, do you use grub-customizer?
[09:23] <meldron> ObrienDave: i dont
[09:24] <meldron> ObrienDave: do i have to make any manual adjustments to grub?
[09:24] <ObrienDave> that can help with putting the kernal list in grub in the order you like. install via PPA
[09:25] <ObrienDave> *SHHHHH* don't tell anyone here I recommended installing via PPA ;P
[09:25] <rangemonger> lol 2nd that
[09:26] <rangemonger> i use it too
[09:26] <cfhowlett> apparently ObrienDave has forgotten the unfortunate fate of heretics ...
[09:26] <ObrienDave> ;p
[09:26] <meldron> lol, shit now you are doomed for helping me
[09:26] <meldron> so let's see if the new kernel fixed the problem
[09:27] <ObrienDave> what happens in #u stays in #u ;P
[09:27] <rangemonger> http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc45/snesfreak/neogaf/bender-doomed.jpg
[09:28] <meldron> ObrienDave: thanks alot, works fine again
[09:28] <ObrienDave> \o/
[09:29] <ObrienDave> btw, i had trouble with wired connection using <IP_ADDRESS> also
[09:30] <bytefire> hello, for a systemd service is there a way to define restart strategy, e.g. exponential backoff or retry n number of times and then give up?
[09:32] <one808> 。。。。。
[09:33] <ObrienDave> well, there's a pillow calling my name. *waves and poofs*
[09:33] <one808> hello?
[09:33] <FreddG> hi
[09:34] <VISIONGATE> hi guys
[09:35] <VISIONGATE> using peanunt for the pkk to auth onto ubuntu server at ec2
[09:35] <VISIONGATE> but what pass is used for an su prompt once im logged in?
[09:37] <VISIONGATE> no one an idea?
[09:38] <cfhowlett> you waited a whole 40 seconds ... perhaps a bit more patience, yeah?
[09:39] <VISIONGATE> ^^
[09:41] <akik> VISIONGATE: what is peanunt?
[09:41] <cfhowlett> VISIONGATE, somewhat esoteric query ... perhaps #ubuntu-server might know more?
[09:42] <VISIONGATE> pageant sorry
[09:42] <VISIONGATE> key management-
[09:44] <akik> VISIONGATE: you need to find your user password from somewhere
[09:44] <akik> VISIONGATE: who provisioned that server?
[09:44] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: your running pagent on linux ?
[09:44] <ikonia> or from a windows host
[09:45] <VISIONGATE> windows host
[09:45] <VISIONGATE> its ec2 / amazon aws
[09:45] <VISIONGATE> the use ssh keypair auth
[09:45] <VISIONGATE> normaly they dont have set a userpwd
[09:45] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: you understand that "su" has no password ?
[09:45] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: and you understand you can't login as "root" from ssh ?
[09:45] <VISIONGATE> i login as ubuntu
[09:46] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: then what command do you run
[09:47] <VISIONGATE> for example su - postgres
[09:47] <VISIONGATE> i need to type a pass
[09:47] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: no you don't
[09:47] <VISIONGATE> eventhou i successfully authed with keypair
[09:47] <ikonia> a.) you don't use su
[09:47] <ikonia> b.) you shouldn't be the postress user
[09:47] <ikonia> c.) your keypair auth has nothing to do with your shell auth
[09:48] <VISIONGATE> i c
[09:48] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: what do you actually want to achieve ?
[09:48] <VISIONGATE> i want to setup an ubuntu server and install odoo on it.
[09:49] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: ok - so what part are you struggling with ?
[09:49] <VISIONGATE> on the amazon ec2 - but im not really an admin or experienced with server stuff. coming more from the design area and just training / practicing
[09:49] <VISIONGATE> and would like to try out odoo.
[09:49] <ikonia> design area ?
[09:49] <VISIONGATE> photoshop, illustrator, after effects
[09:49] <ikonia> as in graphic design ?
[09:49] <ikonia> ahhh
[09:49] <VISIONGATE> ye
[09:49] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: so are you following a guide or just playing around ?
[09:50] <VISIONGATE> so im probably asking very anoying questions
[09:50] <ikonia> not at all
[09:50] <VISIONGATE> well i just started an instance- at ec2 - logged in successfully with keypair
[09:50] <VISIONGATE> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/install-odoo-erp-software-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[09:50] <VISIONGATE> and i try to follow this guide
[09:51] <VISIONGATE> my own estimated "logic" says, i need to install first some services
[09:51] <VISIONGATE> and put them into the autostart
[09:51] <ikonia> that guide sucks
[09:52] <VISIONGATE> cannot judge or say which one sucks, knowledge is too small :)
[09:52] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: not a cirtisism of you
[09:52] <VISIONGATE> but if you say it, i believe you
[09:52] <ikonia> howtoforge = %99 rubbish
[09:53] <VISIONGATE> brb - smoking
[09:53] <VISIONGATE> after that lets find a nice guide
[09:54] <VISIONGATE> the issue i get is, i can only do copy paste of guides, but actually i dont really learn something, and if i have to modify sth, i get stuck. it makes it pretty hard to really get more XP in this
[09:56] <morodey> buongiorno
[09:56] <morodey> qualcuno e in linea?
[09:56] <morodey> ciao pixeli
[09:56] <ikonia> !it | morodey
[09:57] <morodey> grazie
[09:59] <VISIONGATE> ikonia: can i qry you?
[09:59] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: no need
[09:59] <ikonia> just ask in the channel
[10:00] <VISIONGATE> right
[10:03] <azizLIGHT> all my desktop icons have disappeared on 14.04
[10:04] <VISIONGATE> as I said, im a total noob, finished the commandline at codecademy, to learn to navigate with the standard commands, thats all. i got a bit of knowledge about what a cronjob is, iptable is. but thats it. so im looking for a challenge, besides that i really want to try out odoo. so ill try to make a small roadmap, step by step, to master this. i got an amazon ec2 instance running and im logged in right now using ubuntu. goal is to install
[10:04] <VISIONGATE> odoo (openERP)
[10:04] <azizLIGHT> is it because i am running out of hdd space
[10:07] <VISIONGATE> ikonia: trying the official documentation now ( https://www.odoo.com/documentation/9.0/setup/install.html#packaged-installers )
[10:07] <The_Myth> azizLIGHT: are you Gnome,  Kde, Xfce?
[10:07] <azizLIGHT> im on regular ubuntu 14.04
[10:07] <azizLIGHT> i think thats unity
[10:07] <VISIONGATE> ikonia: "permission denied" once i try to "echo "deb http://nightly.odoo.com/9.0/nightly/deb/ ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:07] <azizLIGHT> never mind solved it
[10:07] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: official docs are always a better start, however, cautious should be advised as sometimes the official ones are also sloppy
[10:08] <azizLIGHT> nautilus crashed
[10:08] <azizLIGHT> i opened nautilus and everythings back
[10:08] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: I'm not going to help you any more
[10:08] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: I told you not to use su, not to be the postgres user
[10:08] <ikonia> and I can see you've ignored that advice and are now asking blindly in ##linux
[10:09] <The_Myth> azizLIGHT: good then :)
[10:09] <VISIONGATE> ikonia: that was 20 minutes ago before you started helping me
[10:09] <ikonia> Hmmmm
[10:09] <VISIONGATE> im just with you.
[10:09] <ikonia> benifit of the doubt as the time stamps are questionsable
[10:10] <ikonia> VISIONGATE: for your issue, run "sudo -i" then run that command, then run "exit" to drop out of the privileged shell
[10:11] <VISIONGATE> thx
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:12] <VISIONGATE> ikonia: that helped- thanks
[10:13] <azizLIGHT> ok but now windows that were open before nautilus crashed, are not responding
[10:13] <azizLIGHT> such as terminal
[10:13] <azizLIGHT> i had a command running in terminal in a loop
[10:14] <azizLIGHT> i can see the terminal and the command there, and it has exited, but i cannot interact with the terminal window
[10:16] <CryptoSiD> Hi guys/gals
[10:16] <CryptoSiD> im having an issue on ubuntu 10.04, cant install a package, but this work fine on ubuntu 16.10
[10:16] <CryptoSiD> dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/r1soft-getmodule_1.0.0-50_amd64.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz , giving up
[10:17] <CryptoSiD> the apt is so old that must be the issue
[10:18] <MonkeyDust> CryptoSiD  10.04 is dead, or was that a typo?
[10:19] <a13> :)
[10:20] <a13> helllllo :)
[10:21] <CryptoSiD> MonkeyDust sadly it's not a typo
[10:21] <a13> y'a pas un francais :)
[10:22] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[10:22] <CryptoSiD> ubuntu 10.04 with directadmin, guess the client dont want to upgrade this
[10:22] <MonkeyDust> !eol | CryptoSiD
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[10:32] <bum> Hello seb
[10:45] <Ubik_> hello
[10:54] <The_Myth> hi guys. i have vps, with Ubuntu 15.04 installed if i recall. supposing that i want to remove completely all the packages that i've installed before trying to do sudo-release-upgrade, that way i will "start over" what are the commands that i should do? thanks in advance.
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> The_Myth  you too, both 15.04 and 15.10 are dead, !eol
[10:59] <The_Myth> MonkeyDust: i'm not the owner of the datacenter, so, i've sticked to the OS that they've installed. i dont even know if i can upgrade by myself
[11:02] <The_Myth> the problem is that i have eggdrops and i have some problems when running them with megahal module.
[11:03] <The_Myth> the module just dont start and give me a serie of output errors.
[11:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> The_Myth  the errors are probably related to 15.04 being dead
[11:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> The_Myth, MonkeyDust what errors just re joined here, and why are they on 15.04 ?
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> The_Myth  in this channel, type   /topic
[11:08] <spinza> how stable is upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 now?
[11:08] <The_Myth> MonkeyDust: i'm not that sure. do you understand about eggdrops?
[11:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> spinza, rather stable, and it would update to a point 1 or 2
[11:09] <ducasse> The_Myth: 15.04 is still unsupported here, you need to upgrade to a supported release to get help in this channel.
[11:09] <spinza> just a "sudo do-release-upgrade"?
[11:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !upgrade
[11:11] <The_Myth> LTS updates are released every 3y, correct?
[11:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> two
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 18.04 is the nxt
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 16.04 current
[11:12] <The_Myth> oh. i see. they receive support for 3y..
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !lts
[11:12] <The_Myth> nice one
[11:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> The_Myth, it used to be three years for desktop and five years for server, but now for quite a few both get five yeas
[11:13] <MonkeyDust> policy has changed
[11:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> The_Myth, 16.04 has support untill 20121
[11:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> MonkeyDust,  yep
[11:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 2021
[11:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> The_Myth,  standard releases only get 9 months support for quite a few releases now, but used to be 18 months like most other distros
[11:18] <symbls> ....
[11:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> symbls, ......
[11:19] <symbls> ..............
[11:19] <symbls> i am a green hand..
[11:20] <cfhowlett> this is ubuntu --- gardening is somewhere else
[11:21] <symbls> i install the sofeware just now, and didn't know how to use until now
[11:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the gardening software ok :d
[11:22] <cfhowlett> !manual | symbls
[11:22] <Almoullim> Hello
[11:22] <Almoullim> Can anyone help me with owncloud
[11:23] <Almoullim> i get wrong password when in the intial start page
[11:23] <joni_> hello
[11:23] <joni_> whats up
[11:23] <symbls> thanks
[11:27] <yva> Hi, I found a bug with the manual installation using ecnrypted disk (not formatted properly). Where should I fill in a report?
[11:28] <piousminion> Hi, I've added 'ppa:materieller/teamspeak3' and updated apt, but the package(s) don't seem to be available. Ideas?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !bug | yva
[11:33] <piousminion> This is maddening. I can see the damn package in the repo, but it won't fetch it. grr
[11:33] <SuperCat> Its playing hard to get?
[11:34] <CryptoSiD> probably related to repo priority piousminion
[11:35] <piousminion> CryptoSiD: At least I have something to google now. thanks. hehe
[11:37] <szymon_g> hi
[11:38] <nlkjyi> 。。。。
[11:39] <piousminion> CryptoSiD: changing the priority did nothing. :/
[11:41] <home> i need help
[11:42] <j41> What with, home?
[11:42] <home> my ubuntu is suffering many problwms
[11:42] <j41> Please describe them!
[11:43] <home> root:could not open file '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:43] <home> since iam the root user
[11:43] <home> and this is desktop
[11:43] <Kissamos> is it possible to install ubuntu on my samsung galaxy tab 10.5 s?
[11:43] <home> j41 are you there
[11:43] <j41> home: What are you trying to do when you get this error?
[11:43] <home> for update
[11:44] <home> of archives
[11:44] <j41> home: What command do you run?
[11:44] <home> sudo apt update
[11:44] <cfhowlett> is this YOUR system home?
[11:44] <home> and sudo apt upgrade
[11:45] <j41> home: Is it your computer?
[11:45] <MonkeyDust> home  what's the outcome of    whoami
[11:45] <home> i am having this problem since i got upgraded to  16.04
[11:45] <home> yes it is my computer
[11:46] <j41> home: What is the output of the command    whoami   when run in a terminal?
[11:46] <home> home
[11:47] <j41> home: Run the command    file /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:47] <j41> What does it output?
[11:48] <home> /etc/apt/sources.list: cannot open `/etc/apt/sources.list' (No such file or directory)
[11:48] <j41> home: That means your sources.list file is missing
[11:48] <cfhowlett> something very wrong here
[11:48] <j41> ^
[11:49] <home> i cannot mount usb or cd rom
[11:49] <MonkeyDust> home  pastebin the outcome of      ls -l /etc/apt/    ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:49] <home> ls: cannot access '...': No such file or directory
[11:49] <home> ls: cannot access 'http://paste.ubuntu.com/': No such file or directory
[11:49] <home> /etc/apt/:
[11:49] <home> total 68
[11:49] <home> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Dec 28 14:11 apt.conf.d
[11:49] <home> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 Apr 10  2014 preferences.d
[11:50] <j41> home: Please use a pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:50] <MonkeyDust> home  us this webpage http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:50] <j41> Then tell us the link
[11:51] <j41> home: You can tell us the link now
[11:52] <home_> link  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23716764/
[11:56] <MonkeyDust> and s/he's gone
[11:57] <j41> oh well
[11:57] <j41> :P
[11:57] <j41> Hopefully they solved their problem
[12:01] <popsound> Hi
[12:01] <j41> Hi, popsound!
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year folks !
[12:01] <popsound> Does ayone know how to fix speakers pop sound at startup?
[12:01] <popsound> My laptop's internal speakers work nicely
[12:02] <j41> popsound: How bad is the pop? It might just be how your speakers/soundcard works.
[12:02] <popsound> But external speakers or headset does pop sound every time I boot my laptop
[12:02] <popsound> It doesnt happen with windows
[12:02] <popsound> But happens with ubuntu
[12:02] <popsound> However it doesnt happen with laptop's built in speaker
[12:03] <popsound> The pop sound is very bad. It comes with 100% volume
[12:03] <popsound> So if I have my headset on and forget that it comes then I basically jump.
[12:08] <j41> popsound: Is your laptop made by HP?
[12:09] <popsound> yes.
[12:09] <j41> popsound: It seems to be a known issue with HP laptops
[12:10] <j41> popsound: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/373452
[12:11] <Night_> hmm  I'm having issues with dhclient -6 to option IPv6 from my ISP, i have to disable firewall(csf) for it to work, even if i have added ports needed to allow list
[12:11] <Night_> anyone have nay ideas?
[12:11] <j41> popsound: Maybe you could try some of the fixes in there, eventhough they are for older releases of Ubuntu?
[12:13] <j41> popsound: Maybe this will help to: http://askubuntu.com/questions/160882/popping-noise-from-laptop-speakers?rq=1
[12:13] <popsound> Btw that's DV5? a model number? THen mine is different..
[12:15] <j41> popsound: Try the second link I sent you, maybe the fixes in there will help.
[12:15] <popsound> "If you don't have an Intel HDA sound card, you're all done. Otherwise:" How do I know if I have?
[12:15] <MonkeyDust> popsound  lspci
[12:16] <j41> popsound: Once you run that command, look for 'Audio device:'
[12:17] <popsound> Audio device: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller (rev 09)
[12:17] <popsound> So I dont have HDA
[12:18] <popsound> INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=false didnt help
[12:19] <j41> popsound: Did you comment out the line: INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=${INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE:-true}
[12:20] <BluesKaj> popsound,. sudo lshw | grep snd
[12:23] <juan_> /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:23] <popsound> j5l: yes
[12:24] <popsound> BluesKaj:             configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
[12:24] <popsound>              configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=64
[12:26] <popsound> options snd-hda-intel power_save=10 didnt help either. whould I replace snd-hda-intel with snd_hda_intel?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> popsound, then you have intel hda, but latency is a bit high
[12:27] <popsound> what's latency?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> popsound, lag
[12:29] <popsound> What can I do about it?
[12:30] <popsound> Btw wht laptops work fine with ubuntu? I figured that hibernate is also problematic with hp....
[12:30] <BluesKaj> well it's milliseconds, you probly wouldn't notice 64 out of 1000
[12:32] <nkr_> nouveau.modeset=0 saved my life
[12:42] <lyze> Hello! I've fallen in love with a windows program, called maxto ( https://maxto.net/ ) which basically allows you to define regions on the screen and whenever you maximize windows they'll maximize to those regions instead of fullscreen. Does somebody know if theres a similar program for ubuntu (xfce)?
[12:43] <ikonia> lyze: I don't think so
[12:44] <ikonia> the desktop works different in linux, there is a tiling window manager, where each region is a "tile"
[12:44] <aryo> hi guys
[12:44] <aryo> what's fun channet to chat?
[12:45] <j41> #ubuntu-offtopic and #freenode
[12:45] <popsound> nkr_: where shall I put nouveau.modeset=0?
[12:45] <lyze> Ah thats a bummer, thanks ... c: ikonia
[12:45] <aryo> hi guys
[12:46] <aryo> what's the fun channel for chat guys?
[12:46] <aryo> i'm so lonely
[12:46] <ikonia> aryo: ##chat
[12:46] <ikonia> use that channel
[12:46] <aryo> whoaa thanks
[12:47] <ddybing> That's a channel for sensible conversations. Pretty sure I won't fit in... :(
[12:47] <j41> ddybing: anything goes in #ubuntu-offtopic LO
[12:47] <j41> :P*
[12:47] <ikonia> j41: no it doesn't
[12:47] <j41> ohokthen
[12:48] <ddybing> Fantastic! I need a non-sensible channel ;-)
[12:48] <Turiya> [23:44] <Turiya> http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-live-stream/IV1512H001S00
[12:48] <Turiya> [23:44] <Turiya> thats the abc nye live stream
[12:48] <Turiya> [23:45] <Turiya> only 15 mins until midnight 01-01-2017
[12:48] <ikonia> Turiya: we don't need that spam
[12:48] <Turiya> k
[12:48] <bum> Grub included already in every distribution?
[12:48] <ikonia> bum: pretty much every distro will use it as the boot loader
[12:49] <ddybing> Unless Canonical sponsored ABC, I don't see the relevance.
[12:56] <aryo_> test
[12:56] <aryo_> hi guys
[12:56] <j41> Hello aryo_
[12:56] <ddybing> Hi
[12:57] <j41> Hi ddybing!
[12:57] <aryo_> nothing to do this new year eve
[12:57] <j41> aryo_: Why not install Ubuntu onto everything possible?
[12:57] <j41> :P
[12:57] <ddybing> Install party is the ultimate way to spend your time
[12:58] <ddybing> Install Ubuntu on your mum's laptop, your father's tablet and so on ;)
[12:58] <aryo_> ahahahaha they would kill me
[12:59] <j41> Install Ubuntu onto your fridge.
[12:59] <ddybing> j41: Yeah, why not? Who wouldn't want an open source fridge?
[12:59] <j41> Exactly!
[12:59] <ddybing> I would
[13:00] <j41> Samsung make fridges with a big screen on (possibly running Android?), why not install Ubuntu onto it?
[13:03] <EriC^> open, *Error: you're over your calorie limits, sudo open
[13:03] <bum> Wifi hdmi Bluetooth also needs driver?
[13:03] <j41> EriC^: xD
[13:03] <EriC^> :D
[13:05] <IamKrilcov> I am trying to verify my file i dl'ed, is this the right command? gpg --keyid-format 0xlong --verify tails-i386-2.9.1.iso.sig tails-i386-2.9.1.iso
[13:06] <Ben64> IamKrilcov: idk, this is ubuntu support, not tails support
[13:06] <IamKrilcov> Lol, how do I verify a keyring
[13:06] <IamKrilcov> in ubuntu.
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> IamKrilcov  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[13:08] <Ben64> IamKrilcov: check tails support for how to verify their iso
[13:08] <IamKrilcov> i dont know what cat /etc/issue means
[13:08] <Ben64> IamKrilcov: here i googled for you, have fun https://tails.boum.org/install/download/openpgp/index.en.html
[13:09] <IamKrilcov> i have it open, thanks however.
[13:09] <Ben64> then unless you have an ubuntu support question, seems this is done
[13:10] <IamKrilcov> thanks
[13:18] <remix76> hi all
[13:18] <remix76> Remix OS for PC Version 3.0.207 ubuntu  --  sysrq emergency remount r/o HELp
[13:18] <remix76> Remix OS for PC Version 3.0.207 ubuntu  --  sysrq emergency remount r/o HELp
[13:18] <remix76> HELP ME !
[13:20] <ikonia> remix76: sorry no
[13:21] <ikonia> remix76: we don't support unoffiical ubuntu releases
[13:21] <remix76> ikonia:  ????
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> remix76  your OS or distro is not supported here
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> remix76  type    /topic
[13:23] <IamKrilcov> Can someone direct me, to where I can go to add keyrings or verify stuff using ubuntu?
[13:23] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: add keyrings ? verify stuff ?
[13:23] <remix76> MonkeyDust: k
[13:23] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: could you ask a clearer question please
[13:23] <Ben64> ikonia: trying to verify tails iso, but the tails page on "how to verify iso" isn't enough apparently
[13:24] <IamKrilcov> im new to ubuntu
[13:24] <ikonia> not this tails stuff again
[13:24] <ikonia> trying to be anonymous on the internet, yeah ok
[13:24] <Ben64> the site says exactly how to do it, i don't see how it's on topic here at all
[13:24] <ikonia> it's not
[13:24] <IamKrilcov> I thought this was an ubuntu help desk
[13:24] <ikonia> it's support for ubuntu
[13:24] <ikonia> what ubuntu help do you need ?
[13:26] <j41> They want to verify a file against a key
[13:28] <The_Myth> Happy New Year to all! see you around next year! xD
[13:31] <IamKrilcov> Ok, maybe this is an ubuntu question. How do I import a signing key into my keyring?
[13:31] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: what keyring are you using
[13:32] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: how do I check?
[13:32] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: you decide which keyring app you want to use
[13:32] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: I am a newbie, how?
[13:32] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: what is the page you're following
[13:33] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: https://tails.boum.org/install/download/openpgp/index.en.html
[13:34] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: ok - so you need to pick a keyring app
[13:34] <ikonia> then import that key
[13:34] <ikonia> then verify the iso you're using against that signature
[13:35] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: whertdo I get that app from? the repository?
[13:35] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: yes
[13:35] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: if you read lower down the page you can see examples
[13:35] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: i use seahorse
[13:35] <ikonia> IamKrilcov: seahorse what ?
[13:37] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: I found the proper helpfile, thank you
[13:37] <ikonia> ahh, great
[13:45] <rob__> hi
[13:47] <rob__> hi
[14:01] <tuxiano> Hi, I tried to upgrade my homeserver from 14.04 to 16.04. But now the upgrade process hangs with this error: invoke-rc.d: could not determine current runlevel. Any ideas?
[14:05] <Techno62> I am having a problem with the version 16. The computer had version 14 on it. Is it possible that the Version 16 is too much for the computer
[14:08] <tuxiano> Techno62: dont think so, should be another problem
[14:09] <Techno62> Ok, well just in case I am downloading Version 14 to try it....The program starts up good but after a while the screen locks up
[14:09] <ikonia> you can't downgrade
[14:09] <ikonia> ooh, downloading, I'm sorry
[14:10] <Techno62> You can?
[14:10] <Techno62> You can't?
[14:10] <ikonia> Techno62: sorry, I thought you said downgrade, not download, apologies
[14:11] <Techno62> Maybe its something to do with the graphics card
[14:11] <thereyouare> its just got 2017 here
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> and you're sober enough to type
[14:17] <thereyouare> fireworks are all around area
[14:17] <thereyouare> I'm sitting alone in front of PC in IRC
[14:19] <enzotib> thereyouare: which country?
[14:22] <thereyouare> enzotib: I prefer to stay anonimous
[14:22] <menace> Hi, why does nautilus not see 9p filesystems as an qemu-kvm-guest?
[14:23] <menace> i can mount it, even automatical via fstab... but there is no mentioning of the passthrough 9p filesystem within syslog/dmesg/journald, but it can be mounted... can someone explain this?
[14:26] <julian2000nl> Happy new year @thereyouare!
[14:27] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: can I msg you a log?
[14:28] <IamKrilcov> ikonia: I am at the last part.
[14:39] <N00Bish> how do i get world of warcraft installed and playable on unbuntu?
[14:42] <paalgyula> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=33768
[14:43] <paalgyula> install wine than run the launcher of wow
[14:44] <waterfall> hi
[14:44] <N00Bish> thanks
[14:47] <j41> Hello waterfall
[14:56] <fearnothing> is anyone in here able to help with troubleshooting logging in openldap?
[14:56] <fearnothing> I have set an olcLogFile, but nothing's going in to it
[14:57] <paalgyula> uhh openldap was my worst decison ever
[14:57] <paalgyula> now we are using opendj
[14:58] <fearnothing> I've tried running the ldap binary manually but it just dumps help output and exits, even if I'm running it with the exact same command as is in the systemd service config
[14:58] <fearnothing> openldap is working
[14:58] <fearnothing> but not logging
[14:58] <paalgyula> yeah but the acl's pretty hard to set up
[15:04] <vojzzo> Anyone here?
[15:05] <cfhowlett> vojzzo, ask your ubuntu question
[15:06] <vojzzo> Whats the best linux distro for and old pc?
[15:06] <j41> vojzzo: In terms of Ubuntu, probably Xubuntu
[15:06] <cfhowlett> vojzzo, lubuntu is optimized for legacy hardware.  xubuntu is also worth considering
[15:06] <vojzzo> thanks
[15:07] <vojzzo> How much space does xubuntu take up?
[15:07] <cfhowlett> vojzzo, basic installation about 5gb
[15:07] <vojzzo> And lubuntu?
[15:07] <j41> !xubuntu | vojzzo
[15:07] <j41> !lubuntu | vojzzo
[15:08] <tomreyn> roughly the same
[15:08] <vojzzo> ok, thanks
[15:25] <bum> How to make live pen drive for lubuntu
[15:26] <bum> I downloaded ISO image for lubuntu
[15:26] <j41> !usb | bum
[15:28] <bum> I already downloaded image
[15:28] <bum> What's next step
[15:29] <j41> Please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[15:34] <philip> hello
[15:35] <philip> Anyone know where to find the code for a package installed via apt-get? Specifically msttcorefonts, which has a broken link that needs to be updated.
[15:38] <SchrodingersScat> philip: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:06] <live> guys, I got into some serious problem. please help me out.
[16:06] <baizon> !ask | live
[16:06] <gudmund_> Should I install Oracle Java 8/9 or Open JRE?
[16:06] <live> I had Lubuntu and Xubuntu installed on my laptop. Dual booting.
[16:07] <baizon> gudmund_: i personally recommend openjdk
[16:07] <live> Xubuntu was installed second.
[16:07] <live> I wanted to remove Xubuntu. So, I logged into lubuntu and deleted the partitions that contained Xubuntu.
[16:08] <lordstoges> Hey all I have couple of support question? Would anyone happen to have a few free minutes to give a hand?
[16:08] <live> Now not able to boot into Lubuntu.
[16:08] <live> sorry for typing my query on multiple lines.
[16:09] <baizon> live: you need to reconfigure grub
[16:10] <baizon> live: you removed the "active" grub
[16:10] <live> how to do that? I am not able to get to the grub menu at all.
[16:10] <Prinz_IRCman> Open JDK, support Open Source
[16:10] <lordstoges> I was recently given a laptop which I installed ubuntu 14.04 on and I was wondering what to put into the terminal to see if it has a working wifi card.
[16:10] <baizon> live: boot into the liveusb and just reinstall grub
[16:10] <live> I don't know.  Can I use that?
[16:11] <baizon> live: if youre using lubuntu, then take the lubuntu live cd / usb
[16:11] <live> otherwise, I'll have to create a live usb of Ubuntu.
[16:12] <live> ok. Need to create one, I think.
[16:12] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:13] <baizon> lordstoges: http://askubuntu.com/questions/294257/connect-to-wifi-network-through-ubuntu-terminal
[16:13] <baizon> live: but dont format your partition, or all data will be lost
[16:14] <live> can I reinstall grub with this debian live usb I have with me now?
[16:14] <baizon> live: not really, take the same lubuntu you have installed
[16:14] <baizon> live: that will work 100%
[16:15] <live> Will have to create one, then.
[16:15] <aruns> Hi.
[16:15] <baizon> live: i recommend doing that
[16:15] <aruns> I am trying to install .Net Core version 1.3 on Ubuntu 16.04 using its DEB package.
[16:16] <aruns> But it tries to install the wrong dependencies?
[16:16] <aruns> It tries to install dev packages for dotnet
[16:16] <live> ok
[16:16] <live> how to install grub?
[16:16] <live> grub2?
[16:16] <aruns> I install the Ubuntu 16.04 .deb package from https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/linux
[16:17] <aruns> Ah wait my bad.
[16:17] <aruns> I misread.
[16:17] <baizon> live: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[16:17] <baizon> live: or this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:18] <baizon> aruns: no problem :)
[16:18] <live> ok.
[16:18] <aruns> Oh, by the way.
[16:18] <aruns> Does anyone have any recommendations for good 3DS emulators for Linux?
[16:18] <aruns> Apparently Citra is the best option at the moment.
[16:19] <baizon> aruns: https://github.com/citra-emu/citra
[16:20] <aruns> baizon: Yeah, that's what I figured, thanks.
[16:20] <aruns> I'm looking to run something like Pokemon X.
[16:20] <aruns> Not sure if the emulator's enough of a finished product to run it well yet.
[16:20] <aruns> But oh well, will give it a go.
[16:21] <live> btw, which is more suitable for beginners? Mate or Xfce?
[16:21] <aruns> I don't think it's a question of which one is more suitable.
[16:22] <aruns> I think it's more a question of do you want something that looks nice but is quite resource intensive.
[16:22] <aruns> Or something that is just as nice looking but less harsh on resources.
[16:22] <aruns> Like the Unity DE does a lot of 3D graphics rendering.
[16:23] <aruns> So if your graphics card is quite old, might make your machine a bit slow.
[16:25] <baizon> live: xfce imho
[16:29] <vrobot> hi
[16:29] <rob1> hi
[16:31] <aruns> Hi.
[16:31] <aruns> How can I compile C# applications from the command line on Ubuntu?
[16:31] <OerHeks> !build
[16:31] <baizon> arno_: i think this is the wrong channel for this question
[16:32] <lgstate> is crtmpserver the best "rtmp server streaming" software on ubuntu, or is there something else to use?
[16:32] <aruns> No.
[16:32] <aruns> I mean compile a simple .cs script
[16:32] <baizon> aruns: i think this is the wrong channel for this question. Try #C#
[16:33] <aruns> baizon: OK, thanks.
[16:42] <live> aruns, which distro of linux you use?
[17:21] <rajveer> hello this is rajveer kumar
[17:21] <rajveer> I am new to linux
[17:21] <cobber2005> Hello. I put the IntelliJ IDEA on Ubuntu 16.04, but can find a valid directory to set up the Java JDK.  Does anyone know which folder it's located in?
[17:21] <hadi> hello
[17:22] <hadi> the command update-grup cant detect the win7 on sda4
[17:23] <rajveer> you can find any directory by typing locate folder name in terminal as far as i know
[17:23] <sebsebseb> rajveer: hi
[17:24] <rajveer> hi
[17:24] <cobber2005> I did this: cobber2005@cobber2005-X201EP:~$ whereis java
[17:24] <cobber2005> java: /usr/bin/java /etc/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz
[17:24] <cobber2005> cobber2005@cobber2005-X201EP:~$ ls -l /user/bin/java
[17:24] <hadi> it is output of "fdisk -l":http://dpaste.com/003X65X
[17:25] <cobber2005> Whoops, please ignore my last line
[17:25] <cobber2005> But IntelliJ doesn't like those 4 places.
[17:26] <hadi> But "update-grub cant detect win7 on sda4": http://dpaste.com/2PGXFCD
[17:27] <hadi> I am picking my hair! I tried a lot to fix the grub and be able to boot to win.
[17:27] <hadi> Help me please
[17:28] <hadi> Also notice that: "Partition table entries are not in disk order." May it be the problem?
[17:29] <OerHeks> hadi, did you change that hdd to AHCI ?
[17:29] <hadi> OerHeks, I dont know
[17:29] <hadi> How can I know?
[17:30] <cobber2005> Any IntelliJ user here?
[17:31] <hadi> I deleted a partition before installation of ubuntu and then increased the size of win7 partition too
[17:31] <OerHeks> hadi, you might want to run sudo parted -l  for better output
[17:32] <hadi> OerHeks, result of parted: http://dpaste.com/2PE7EWS
[17:33] <hadi> OerHeks, the 76GB sda4 is win7
[17:35] <OerHeks> if normal grub update does not find it, os-prober would. or there is something else going on, ntfs might be dirty, not clean /unmounted
[17:35] <hadi> Ha! The windows partition was in hibeernated mode before resize
[17:35] <OerHeks> ai
[17:35] <hadi> OerHeks, I can mount it read-onl
[17:36] <hadi> how could I clean my ntfs partition?
[17:36] <OerHeks> oke, this might be your culprit, not sure what to do about that
[17:37] <OerHeks> repair with windows7 iso and reinstall grub after that
[17:38] <hadi> OerHeks, I tried to but win7 installer didnt find the win7
[17:38] <hadi> weird
[17:38] <kus> hi guys, is it possible to add a persistent folder to my kde neon live usb?
[17:38] <kus> It is a 4GB flash drive
[17:39] <ducasse> kus: kde neon is not ubuntu, so not supported here.
[17:40] <kus> :( it is basically ubuntu with another window management thingie though
[17:40] <ducasse> kus: still not ubuntu. i think their channel is #kdeneon, try there.
[17:40] <j41> kus: Only official Ubuntu flavours are supported here
[17:41] <OerHeks> kubuntu usb creater should give that option
[17:41] <kus> OerHeks: ah I'll take a look thanks
[17:42] <OerHeks> kus, you might want to check #kubuntu too
[17:42] <kus> thanks OerHeks (:
[17:43] <kus> there's no activity on #kdeneon or on #kde-neon sorry to bother you guys
[17:43] <OerHeks> kus, maybe better luck *next year*
[17:44] <kus> haha thanks
[17:44] <klungel> every time i login my laptop suspends? (its on a dockingstation with external monitor)
[17:44] <hadi> OerHeks, Even after mounting  win7 partition manually, the "os-prober" still doesn't recognize win7 partition
[17:44] <kus> oh btw I wonder if my next question would be off topic. I mean I run Ubuntu on the digital ocean box so it is tangentially related...
[17:45] <kus> Hi, I have a question about networking. so I have a domain through go daddy and I added an a record for subdomain.domain.tld and pointed it to my digitalocean box I then did ping subdomain.domain.tld but I get <IP_ADDRESS> which is godaddy's ip address not my digital ocean box. Did I do something wrong? It has been over 24 hours since I added the a record so I assume it should have propagated. Also going to https://subdomain.domain.
[17:45] <kus> tld gets me to my do box but for some reason http://subdomain.domain.tld doesn't redirect to https. thank you for your help
[17:45] <j41> kus: Maybe a question for ##networking ?
[17:45] <OerHeks> when mounting, what error do you get? i think it will contain 3'not clean unmounted' or 'hybernation'in that error
[17:46] <klungel> kus: what record type ?
[17:48] <klungel> every time i login my laptop suspends? (its on a dockingstation with external monitor)
[17:49] <szymon_g> hi
[17:50] <j41> Hello szymon_g
[17:50] <szymon_g> hi j41
[17:50] <j41> Do you need any Ubuntu help?
[17:51] <szymon_g> aye, sort of
[17:51] <j41> What's up?
[17:51] <szymon_g> if i'd compile my own kernel from scratch (in debian way), will i have to rebuild nvidia drivers from .run file (downloaded from nvidia) or can i use dkms?
[17:52] <szymon_g> i don't have ubuntu ATM, so i cannot check it
[17:52] <j41> I don't know, but maybe someone else does!
[17:52] <j41> Sory!
[17:52] <j41> sorry*
[17:52] <szymon_g> hah, no problemo :)
[17:53] <szymon_g> i used to install them (i.e. the drivers) manually, but maybe some nvidia-dkms package could build it for me for the non-standard kernel
[17:53] <kus> klungel A record
[17:53] <hadi> OerHeks, I cleaned the win7 partition using "remove_hiberfile" flag during the boot
[17:54] <hadi> OerHeks, But os-prober still can't detect the win7 on sda4
[17:54] <hadi> I guess it is a problem of os-prober
[17:54] <szymon_g> sda4? it's rather unusual partition to see
[17:54] <szymon_g> *an unusual
[17:54] <kus> klungel what bothers me is when I ping I get to a godaddy ip address and not my vps ip address so I wonder what I did wrong
[17:55] <hadi> szymon_g, Yeah. The number of my partitions is messed
[17:55] <hadi> The partitions are not in the disk order
[17:55] <kus> OerHeks: the startup disk creator didn't offer any persistence options :(
[17:56] <kus> here's what I used usb-creator-kde/xenial,now 0.3.2 amd64 [installed]
[18:01] <momken> OerHeks: Thank you. This is my second computer. On my first one I was Hadi
[18:01] <momken> I think I messed the win 7 during increasing its size with gparted
[18:02] <xXEoflaOEXx> I installed GNOME, to see how the laptop handles GNOME, but when I open anything (settings, etc.), it opened with System program problem detected and when I closed any window, the background turned black, then it logged me out! One thing that I am running on 2 monitors.
[18:02] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Can you log back in at all?
[18:03] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41: Yes, The desktop shows up.
[18:03] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Does the problem still happen?
[18:03] <momken> It may be easier to reinstall win7 completely. Thanks to being able to mount win7 partition, I could backup the files on desktop (etc.)
[18:04] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41: Yes, in any apps
[18:05] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Can you turn off/shutdown your computer then turn it back on (but not restart)?
[18:07] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41: Yes, I can do it. It turns off successfully and turns on successfully
[18:07] <ducasse> xXEoflaOEXx: any files in /var/crash?
[18:08] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Have you done this after installing GNOME? (I meant for you to actually do it)
[18:09] <xXEoflaOEXx> ducasse, I have seen some crash files for gnome (2)
[18:09] <ducasse> xXEoflaOEXx: delete them.
[18:09] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41, I installed GNOME, then I logged out and switched the session then logged in (to GNOME)
[18:10] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: What I'm trying to say is have you tried turning it off and on again?
[18:10] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41, Yes, I turned off and on
[18:10] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Okay
[18:11] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41, and same thing happened
[18:11] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Have you tried reinstalling GNOME?
[18:11] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41, No, I have not.
[18:12] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: Can I suggest you try?
[18:12] <ioria> xXEoflaOEXx, does your laptop handle unity ? what de were you running before ?
[18:12] <xXEoflaOEXx> ducasse, I deleted them, I will see after restarting
[18:12] <xXEoflaOEXx> ioria, Yes, It is Unity before I installed GNOME
[18:13] <ioria> xXEoflaOEXx, ok
[18:13] <xangua> xXEoflaOEXx: how did you install gnome?
[18:13] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: which version of Ubuntu? also do you have any ppa's installled?
[18:13] <xXEoflaOEXx> xangua: apt-get install gnome
[18:14] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb: 16.10, and no ppas
[18:14] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop may have been a bit better
[18:14] <idea> hey , are anyone know ubuntu left click problem , its stopping left clicking after a while
[18:14] <sebsebseb> more full thing
[18:14] <xangua> Or just gnome-shell
[18:14] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: I guess you can still try this.  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[18:15] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: but the system error message, is there an error mesage on it?
[18:15] <idea> no error message
[18:15] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, It is downloading right now... and the error message it only said System program problem detected
[18:16] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: ok,  I get that in this install on right now on a lap top, such a mesasge box, but that was after doing certain stuf that yeah broke things a bit. that usaully doens't come up unless something is wrong or sort of wrong
[18:17] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: anyway ubuntu gnome desktop may fix things a bit more
[18:17] <Datz> Hi, I'm running a 2560x1440 resolution monitor, but the ubuntu settings default to 1024x768. When I go to adjust the resolution, there are no other available settings. I've tried the proprietary drivers, as well as the nouveau. I'm using a nvidia 970 card. thanks for any help.
[18:18] <ioria> idea cat ~/.xsession-errors
[18:18] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, OK, it is downloading right now.
[18:19] <sebsebseb> ok
[18:21] <Datz> I should add I'm on 16.04, and Mate 1.14.1
[18:24] <j41> Datz: Have you restarted after installing the drivers?
[18:25] <Datz> j41: yes. I've switched back and forth between drivers a few times, and restarted along the way.
[18:27] <Datz> Another thing I noticed is that the the display manager says the display is "Unknown"
[18:27] <Datz> I'm using and HDMI cord for the connection.
[18:27] <j41> Datz: Run nvidia-settings
[18:28] <j41> Datz: What do you see under GPU-0 (something like DFP-0?)
[18:30] <Datz> I only ger application profiles, which is blank, and nvidia-settings configuration which has some unrelated preferences
[18:30] <Datz> maybe I'll try and run it as root.
[18:30] <Datz> same thing,,
[18:30] <j41> Datz: Can you see GPU-0 in the list?
[18:30] <Datz> I cannot
[18:30] <j41> GPU 0*
[18:31] <j41> Datz: I'm thinking maybe the drivers aren't installing correctly, or detecting your graphics card
[18:31] <Datz> I see.
[18:32] <j41> Datz: Are you using the drivers from: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/download/driverResults.aspx/113340/en-us ?
[18:33] <Datz> Just using the ones that are available under "additional drivers"
[18:34] <Datz> let me check the version..
[18:34] <Datz> 367.57
[18:34] <j41> Datz: http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/113340/en-us is a later version
[18:34] <j41> Try installing that
[18:35] <Datz> ok, should I revert back to the nouveau drivers in the addtional drivers settings?
[18:35] <j41> Datz: Yes
[18:35] <Datz> ok, thanks. bbiab
[18:35] <j41> :)
[18:47] <Datz> j41: output from nvidia-settings that I didn't notice at first: https://hastebin.com/gesiyemuwi.vbs
[18:47] <Datz> you're right, looks like the driver isn't installing correctly
[18:51] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: ins
[18:51] <sebsebseb> installed now ?
[18:53] <rusdi> cggg
[18:55] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, Yes
[18:56] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: ok tewsted it ?
[18:56] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: it should have changed your boot up screen to
[18:56] <sebsebseb> it will say like ubuntu gnome or something
[18:57] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx:  but ubuntu gnome is a full meta package, whewre as gnome is just more a baisc one
[18:57] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: re boot, log  back into gnone, see if the error mewssage comews up etc
[18:57] <sebsebseb> cojme back tell me :d
[18:57] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, rebooting...
[18:58] <xXEoflaOEXx> One thing, it changed my bootscreen and also a GRUB color, so I assume it installed fine.
[18:58] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: oh efola is a girls name?
[18:58] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, no
[18:58] <sebsebseb> it won't touch grub the ubuntu gnome package
[18:59] <sebsebseb> probably change the plymouth boot up theme though to the ubuntu gnome
[18:59] <lasersaber> i'm surprised ubuntu doesn't come with inxi installed
[18:59] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, Yes, you are right
[18:59] <sebsebseb> what's inxi ?
[18:59] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: yeah,thats little stuff but yes you installed a proper thing so
[19:00] <sebsebseb> anyway logging in and what happens ?
[19:00] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, Logging in...
[19:02] <lasersaber> sebsebseb, tool to check hardware info
[19:04] <Bashing-om> sebsebseb: ^^ See: '  apt show inxi ' .
[19:05] <akik> lasersaber: it comes with lshw, though
[19:06] <xXEoflaOEXx> sebsebseb, Thanks, it fixed my problem
[19:11] <sebsebseb> xXEoflaOEXx: good, I guess just partial stuff installed then before, not quite everything that should have been really etc
[19:13] <j41> xXEoflaOEXx: You've fixed it?
[19:14] <sebsebseb> j41: yeah seems isntallkg ubuntu-gnome-desktop fixed it
[19:14] <j41> sebsebseb: Ah, makes sense :P
[19:14] <sebsebseb> j41: it has more in it, gnome  is more basic
[19:14] <j41> Yeah
[19:14] <sebsebseb> gnome is just upstrema stuff I guess
[19:15] <Datz> j41: thanks for your help, the new driver works a treat.
[19:15] <j41> Datz: Awesome
[19:15] <Datz> :)
[19:34] <MozartX> function
[19:43] <lasersaber> how do i pipe my output to a pastebin url?
[19:44] <baizon> lasersaber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Pastebinit
[19:44] <Sean_McG> I think there is a pastebin tool you can download -- not sure if it is packaged for Debian/Ubuntu though... ah, yeah that's the one
[19:45]  * Sean_McG is upgrading from trusty -> xenial now, wish me luck!
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[19:45] <lasersaber> baizon, thanks
[19:45] <xXEoflaOEXx> j41, yes
[19:46] <lasersaber> baizon, works! :)
[19:59] <totoo> ciao
[19:59] <totoo> !list
[20:03] <kode54> not the first italian user I've seen popping into the first channel they could think of, saying ciao a tutti and !list
[20:04] <kode54> the 1990s called, they want their illicit file transmission methods back
[20:13] <Random832> i've accidentally deleted /usr/bin and /sbin - what's the best way to recover from this without reinstalling
[20:14] <Random832> like i know that i have to reboot to a live cd because sudo is gone but beyond that
[20:19] <kode54> Random832: http://askubuntu.com/questions/191942/deleted-all-the-files-in-usr-bin-typing-in-rm-rf
[20:19] <kode54> that may be helpful
[20:19] <kode54> although
[20:19] <kode54> suggestion
[20:19] <kode54> install debootstrap on the livecd
[20:19] <kode54> then mount your root and any other filesystems you usually mount under it
[20:19] <kode54> then debootstrap the mounted root
[20:20] <kode54> you should be able to chroot into it after that
[20:20] <kode54> you'll need to mount --rbind /dev, /proc, and /sys into it
[20:20] <kode54> then chroot /mnt /bin/bash --login
[20:21] <kode54> then you should be able to follow the parts of that askubuntu page to query which packages you need to reinstall
[20:21] <kode54> assuming debootstrap doesn't completely clobber the package database of a target
[20:21] <kode54> let me see
[20:26] <lasersaber> how do i change my panel's width?
[20:27] <j41> lasersaber: Change them back to default or just change them?
[20:28] <lasersaber> change my panel or taskbar width
[20:28] <j41> lasersaber: Does this help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/157321/can-i-set-a-custom-horizontal-width-for-a-gnome-panel
[20:30] <MSF> Hello
[20:30] <j41> Hello MSF
[20:30] <lasersaber> j41, we'll see. thanks.
[20:31] <MSF> Can someone gain a shell on a system if they can dns spoof a network?
[20:33] <wedgie> MSF: by itself, probably not. But it would allow allow them to run many other attacks that could lead to a shell.
[20:35] <lasersaber> never mind i found what i need :) http://www.noobslab.com/2016/04/macbuntu-1604-transformation-pack-for.html
[20:37] <Toba_> I'm on 16.04 LTS & I'm getting "held back" messages for some pretty important packages.
[20:37] <Toba_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23718923/
[20:38] <xXEoflaOEXx> Toba_, Use dapt-get dist-upgrade
[20:38] <xXEoflaOEXx> Audi*
[20:39] <xXEoflaOEXx> Sudo*
[20:39] <j41> Toba_: You could also try: apt-get install <names of packages kept back>
[20:41] <Stinky-Feet> Toba_: Or if you are like me and prefer arguments that sound better: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:41] <kode54> I prefer safe-upgrade or something similar on this one VPS I have
[20:42] <kode54> currently running mailinabox on it, and that still requires 14.04
[20:42] <xXEoflaOEXx> Toba_, How about sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? It will force these packages to upgrade
[20:53] <Toba_> oh thanks I'm trying the intsall one
[20:53] <Toba_> I don't want to distupgrade because I might end up on an non LTS version
[20:54] <Bashing-om> !dist-upgrade | Toba_
[20:55] <Toba_> oh. I misunderstood that for *years* based on a complete assumption. Wow.
[20:55]  * Toba_ puts on dunce cap, returns to dunce corner
[20:56] <Toba_> my stuff is cleanly up to date now and working just fine, thanks :)
[20:56] <Bashing-om> Toba_: All a process of learning :) We are all at some point on that curve .
[20:57] <wedgie> Toba_: don't feel bad. The naming on that *is* rather confusing
[21:01] <Toba_> wedgie: thanks
[22:01] <Herbalist> quiet today
[22:01] <Herbalist> irie new year all
[22:08] <The_Myth> Happy New Year folks (if you already reach it, otherwise, wishes of one)
[22:11] <sebsebseb> hi
[22:12] <j41> hi sebsebseb
[22:12] <sebsebseb> j41: hi
[22:12] <j41> sebsebseb: hi
[22:16] <deus_> nick deus402
[22:17] <deus402> whoops
[22:22] <deus402> trying to get xdrp working on 16.04 and having some problems. I followed this guide: http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=9962 but i'm stuck when trying to actually connect. I get the xrdp login, but in the connection log it says: "receiving server init /n error - problem connecting" here is my .xsession-errors log, which i don't really understand: http://pastebin.com/cKjkw930
[22:24] <deus402> also, for the record, i'm trying to connect across the internet from another 16.04 system.
[22:25] <goose1> Hey everyone, my mouse keeps not wanting to right click and I cant figure out how to fix it
[22:25] <goose1> Itll work for a bit, then just shit out on me
[22:26] <goose1> I've tried $ sudo rmmod usbhid and $ sudo modprobe usbhid
[22:26] <sintre> use the mouse on another system and see if does it there
[22:26] <goose1> That solves it for a bit but then it comes back
[22:26] <goose1> sintre: it works fine on other systems
[22:26] <goose1> and works fine sometimes on Ubuntu (GNOME 16.04)
[22:27] <sintre> wifi , blutooth mouse or wired
[22:27] <goose1> usb wired
[22:27] <goose1> Steelseries Rival 300
[22:27] <sintre> hmm odd , only thing i can think of is something is binding that key to somethign else for some reason
[22:28] <sintre> and after a time delay to boot
[22:28] <goose1> Like it is somewhat working now, but cant minimize some stuff, other times it just turns in the I-Line and just doesnt do anything besides move
[22:28] <sintre> have a different mouse to try?
[22:28] <goose1> nah unfortunately not
[22:28] <sintre> then you'll know its something with system
[22:29] <sintre> i'd buy or borrow one when you can , that way narrow culprit down
[22:29] <goose1> I keep running rmmod and modprobe to fix temproarily but thats not a viable solution
[22:29] <goose1> hmm may try that
[22:29] <goose1> I saw a few other people around having similar issues on 16.04
[22:30] <sintre> all packages up to date?
[22:30] <goose1> yeah
[22:30] <goose1> And all other USB devices, like dongles, wifi adapter, my usb KB are working fine
[22:30] <goose1> Itll just come back randomly and not work all of a sudden. Been driving me nuts
[22:31] <sintre> no clue never had to trouble shoot a wired mouse , odd problem
[22:31] <sintre> very anooying one i bet as well
[22:31] <goose1> Yeah I havent had to before either haha
[22:32] <goose1> Its just weird, running those 2 makes it work, then a few minutes later I get RIP mouse
[22:33] <sintre> yes , one thing you expect to work is your mouse lol
[22:33] <goose1> At least my KB works fine or id be screwed
[22:33] <sintre> yea, well look at it as training for using shortcuts hehe
[22:33] <sintre> until you can solve this riddle
[22:34] <goose1> Its just confusing, like it will always move, but sometimes stay as the I-beam, then not click
[22:34] <goose1> But always move
[22:35] <sintre> i'd check new mouse on current system and old mouse longe on a different
[22:35] <sintre> if you have a gaming mouse with lots of buttons maybe some software is getting confused on what to do with it
[22:35] <goose1> Well its always working fine on my Win10 partition
[22:36] <goose1> Nah its just a simple little Gaming mouse
[22:36] <goose1> Maybe I can grab drivers from SS
[22:36] <sintre> yea if its not simple three but with a wheel mouse , trying to get some new driver smight help
[22:37] <goose1> Yeah no drivers for Linux on site, hopefully some FOSS ones out there
[22:38] <goose1> Anyone know how to show displayed host on weechat?
[22:39] <CoderEurope> goose1: You could try here: https://plus.google.com/communities/104181302778416960107
[22:41] <goose1> CoderEurope: thanks
[22:46] <goose1> I THINK i may have figured it out
[22:46] <CoderEurope> https://redd.it/5aw0ba goose1 checkout this (and other :) ) subreddits for help etc ... medium/long term.
[22:47] <goose1> CoderEurope: Thanks! im a really active redditor, but never found that one
[22:47] <goose1> Ah linux
[22:48] <joe50> brasil
[22:48] <CoderEurope> right goose1 - well post a link you've done & I shall reply :)
[22:48] <goose1> I think my headset dongle being plugged in may have messed with ti
[22:50] <goose1> Yeah that may have done it. Working fine now
[23:00] <OerHeks> Happy New Year !
[23:09] <MIMI> s -m IRC.CORRUPTIRCD.COM
[23:11] <GNUtoo> Hi, is there a way to add a file inside the initramfs?
[23:12] <deus402> trying to get xrdp working between two 16.04 machines across the internet. I followed this guide: http://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=9962 but when i try to connect i get these errors: http://pastebin.com/cKjkw930
[23:12] <GNUtoo> I'm trying to do a fully encrypted rootfs, and I want to add the key inside the initramfs
[23:12] <GNUtoo> I found how to add a script to unlock the partition, but I hope there is an easier way than that
[23:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> GNUtoo, any reason why you need the key inside the initramfs?
[23:15] <Herbalist> Irie New Year Everybody
[23:15] <tomreyn> probably to decrypt /boot and /
[23:16] <GNUtoo> Eduard_Munteanu: not to type the passphrase twice with GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in /etc/default/grub
[23:16] <[_]`> when i boot, it never fully loads and stops at gray screen.. it says loading stuff this and that but never make it to the starting screen. it's the os in my other partition
[23:16] <GNUtoo> Happy new year too
[23:16] <[_]`> :(
[23:17] <Herbalist> ty
[23:17] <tomreyn> GNUtoo: i'm not really sure but i *think* anything in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ goes into the initrd
[23:17] <Herbalist> why you looka so sad
[23:17] <[_]`> is there something i can do abouot this? maybe delete some filed so it forces OS to reconfigre or w/e so it starts?
[23:17] <GNUtoo> tomreyn: thanks
[23:18] <tomreyn> GNUtoo: better check how it's done, don't rely on me there
[23:18] <GNUtoo> I'll try with cpio -idv and so on
[23:18] <GNUtoo> *I'll check with cpio -idv and so on
[23:18] <GNUtoo> else I'll have to read all the initramfs scripts, but I don't even know how it works, so the learning curve is a bit high
[23:27] <user_user_> Hello, I need some help with nivdia drivers and boot issues.
[23:27] <sn9> yesterday, i rebooted after a long uptime on trusty, applying a bunch of updates incidentally, including bringing the kernel from -101 to -106, and today i notice that ever since, ethernet does not work anymore. i want to be able to fix this without rebooting again. thanx
[23:28] <user_user_> I cannot boot outside of recovery-mode because the keyboard isn't available for typing the crypt passphrase when the non-foss nvidia drivers are enabled.
[23:28] <sn9> lspci: -d: Invalid device ID
[23:28] <sn9> oops
[23:29] <sn9> 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1502] (rev 04)
[23:31] <GNUtoo> tomreyn: it didn't work, but I found that there is some documentation in /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.initramfs.gz, I missed that while doing dpkg -L before
[23:31] <GNUtoo> so I'll read the documentaiton
[23:32] <tomreyn> GNUtoo: good luck. there are a couple guides on FDE incl. /boot on the web, but, apprently like most people, i've been too lazy to set it up so far, mostly because of the aparent maintenance overhead. it surely would be nice to have it better integrated into the system, though.
[23:34] <OerHeks> GNUtoo, maybe post #4 is your fix too, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2326223
[23:36] <tomreyn> ... so that it would be just a metter of maybe installing a setup helper package. but i can imagine its no fun to test this stuff in many scenarios, and to get it stable, covering them all.
[23:37] <GNUtoo> OerHeks: My goal is to have luks+lvm encrypted without /boot without needing to enter the password twice (in grub and in the initramfs)
[23:38] <user_user_> @GNUtoo have you come across encryption password not being accepted due to keys not typing?
[23:43] <GNUtoo> user_user_: no, I want LUKS + LVM without /boot, and I used GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK in /etc/default/grub for that, it works fine but then it asks for the password twice
[23:51] <jcjordyn120> c_smith, welcome fellow LGC member xD
[23:51] <c_smith> jcjordyn120, I'd recommend keeping chat on-topic here.
[23:52] <jcjordyn120> c_smith, why?
[23:52] <c_smith> this is a support channel, not a chit-chat channel. for chit-chat, there's #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:52] <jcjordyn120> ah okay
[23:52] <sn9> it's support when someone responds
[23:53] <c_smith> sn9 true, it's new years eve, so not many people using their computers I'd guess
[23:53] <c_smith> but still, I'd rather not run the risk of anyone getting banned
[23:53] <c_smith> or kicked
[23:53] <sn9> as for my issue, i already tried removing and reprobing e1000e, still doesn't work, although the spew in dmesg changed
[23:54] <sn9> googling is no help
[23:54] <Sean_McG> my upgrade, did not go so good :(
[23:54] <Sean_McG> I think I have it under control now. Lesson learned was to definitely remove any packages from other PPAs
[23:55] <Sean_McG> I got burnt by ubuntu-toolchain-r/test
[23:57] <sector327> .
[23:57] <sn9> ..