[00:04] <Fendaris> I got a step ahead. Could somebody perhaps help me get through the path concept on ubuntu? I am only familiar with how to modify the path variable in windows.
[00:05] <Fendaris> i see 3 different completely unrelated approaches for that
[00:05] <phormat> bye
[00:06] <Fendaris> I guess: gksudo gedit /etc/environment and then just add it to the file?
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: whoa
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: a) use PATH when you are referring to the shell variable
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: because 'path' is just a noun
[00:06] <nacc> Fendaris: second, genearlly, you don't muck with /etc/environment
[00:07] <nacc> Fendaris: you probably can jsut update path in your user's .bashrc
[00:07] <Fendaris> how else do I add /usr/local/lib to my "search variable"?
[00:07] <nacc> Fendaris: again, I *really* feel like you should read the ubuntu manual or some other introductory materials
[00:07] <nacc> !manual | Fendaris
[00:07] <nacc> I think there is something for the terminal too
[00:07] <Fendaris> that probably doesn'T teach my how to install older packages though ^
[00:07] <nacc> !terminal | Fendaris
[00:08] <nacc> Fendaris: changing the PATH has nothing to do with installing older pacakges.
[00:08] <Fendaris> I have the package installed. But cmake doesnt find it. And the error says "update your search variables"
[00:08] <nacc> Fendaris: or you're not telling cmake where to look
[00:08] <Fendaris> so in windows you would add it to the PATH
[00:09] <Fendaris> Yes, but why should I? It can find 1.58 on it's own
[00:09] <Fendaris> why not set 1.55 up so that it can be found like 1.58 can
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: how did you install 1.55?
[00:09] <Fendaris> i built it from code
[00:09] <nacc> that's why, then!
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: this is really really basic stuff
[00:09] <wedgie> Fendaris: I'm not sure what you're doing, but many configuration scripts for things like that have options to specify locations of various dependencies
[00:09] <nacc> Fendaris: you building something from source vs. installing an Ubuntu package may or may not have any similarities
[00:10] <nacc> Fendaris: and more than likely you installed into /usr/local
[00:10] <nacc> Fendaris: which is not in the default search path for libraries (which is LD_LIBRARY_PATH not PATH anyways)
[00:10] <Fendaris> downloaded the file, unzipped it,  ./bootstrap.sh --prefix=/usr/local -> ./b2 -> sudo ./b2 install
[00:10] <Fendaris> which ended up putting all the files in /usr/local/lib
[00:11] <nacc> Fendaris: yes, beause you told it to.
[00:11] <Fendaris> i know
[00:11] <jonas_> Sup
[00:11] <nacc> Fendaris: well, more likely, also in /usr/local/share and some other subdirectories
[00:11] <Fendaris> What I dont know is, how do you go about making a package that you installed from code like this findable by other applications like cmake
[00:11] <Fendaris> without specifying the path manually every time you call cmake
[00:12] <wedgie> Fendaris: you can add it in ~/.profile
[00:13] <Fendaris> I found that recommendation via search. I didn't understand why some people prefer to use  gksudo gedit /etc/environment
[00:13] <wedgie> at the end, add a line like: PATH="$PATH:/usr/local"
[00:13] <nacc> a) you are not making a package findable, you are making some specific library it looks for findable. b) you update whichever PATH-variable is relevant (PATH for executables, LD_LIBRARY_PATH for libraries), or you tell cmake that or the configure step that, it's highly dependent on the software you're building. c) you would only do this for your user, by adding an appropriate line (e.g.,
[00:13] <nacc> PATH=/path/to/add:$PATH)
[00:13] <wedgie> Fendaris: because /etc/environment will apply it system wide, .profile will do it only for your user
[00:13] <Fendaris> So if I am the only user I can use the one or the other and it doesnt matter?
[00:14] <nacc> the difference between wedgie and my options are whether you want your updated path to be searche first or last
[00:14] <nacc> Fendaris: because it's bad practice
[00:14] <OerHeks> if you do it right, 'findable' systemwide or user based
[00:15] <RNeville> Anything I can do about Nvidia proprietary driver causing a blank screen, beside using nomodeset in grub menu?
[00:15] <Fendaris> So, I'll try this create a new file under /etc/profile.d/ sudo vi /etc/profile.d/SCRIPT_NAME.sh add export PATH="YOUR_PATH_WITHOUT_TRAILING_SLASH:$PATH" then sudo chmod a+x /etc/profile.d/SCRIPT_NAME.sh
[00:16] <Fendaris> @Rneville during installation? You could try run your onboard gpu if you have one
[00:16] <nacc> that again affects all users
[00:16] <RNeville> Thinking about reinstalling entire OS Ubuntu 16.04 in order to be able to boot my computer
[00:16] <nacc> Fendaris: and profile.d snippets do no need to be executable
[00:16] <pavlos> RNeville, you could revert to the nouveau driver if that works
[00:17] <nacc> Fendaris: they are not run, they are sourced
[00:18] <anthrax> so yeah...hi all
[00:18] <insty> Script is designed to be run only with bash
[00:18] <insty> help
[00:19] <RNeville> Fendaris, if I reinstall - won't Nouveau driver be loaded by default - and not proprietary Nvidia driver?
[00:19] <wedgie> insty: so.... what's the problem?
[00:19] <nacc> insty: you have not stated an actual issue.
[00:19] <insty> wedgie, how do i run it
[00:19] <nacc> insty: you run it with ... bash
[00:19] <wedgie> insty: bash yourscript
[00:19] <insty> i tried sudo bash and it disnt work
[00:19] <RNeville> Pavlos, don't know how to revert to Nouveau - since I can't get further than grub screen on boot
[00:19] <pavlos> RNeville, a re-install would use the nouveau and then you choose in additional drivers the Nvidia one
[00:19] <wedgie> going to have to be a lot more specific than that.
[00:20] <Fendaris> @RNeville: Probably better ask somebody else. I just remember that my GPU causes Ubuntu to show a black screen during installation... nomodeset worked in the end .... though I believe I also added some other commands later to get it to work.... I also remember reading that you can let ubuntu run from your onboard gpu if you have one that you can enable in your bios, and then add the correct drivers once ubuntu is installed.
[00:20] <TBotNik> All: Does anyone understand and know how to fix my problem at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5671754#post5671754
[00:20] <genii> insty: If bash is not your current shell, use chsh to change it.
[00:20] <pavlos> RNeville, I think you open a term, c-a-F1, stop lightdm and remove (purge the nvidia drivers ( I have to search online for the instructionbs
[00:20] <Fendaris> The best thing was... I wanted to install ubuntu, and people here told me "Sorry, your GPU is not supported. Please wait 6 months" xD
[00:20] <RNeville> Thanks Fendaris , I'll check my bios - I do have onboard gpu
[00:21] <Fendaris> figured it out on my own after a day
[00:21] <wedgie> genii: irrelevant if he invokes it with bash. Or if it is executable and has the proper shebang
[00:21] <insty> Changing the login shell for root
[00:21] <insty> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[00:21] <insty> 	Login Shell [/bin/bash]:
[00:21] <wedgie> insty: what is the error you're getting? "Doesn't work" give us nothing to help you with
[00:21] <Fendaris> @Rneville: If you google for onboard gpu black screen ubuntu, maybe you find some proper explanation
[00:22] <RNeville> Pavlos, can I use control-F1 , I'm not able to boot Ubuntu 16.04 (also, I have full disk encrption enabled)
[00:22] <insty> I want to run Changing the login shell for root
[00:22] <insty> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[00:22] <insty> 	Login Shell [/bin/bash]:
[00:22] <insty> oops
[00:22] <genii> insty: So then press Enter
[00:22] <wedgie> genii: he doesn't need to be doing that in the first place
[00:23] <genii> wedgie: There used to be an issue between dash/bash as defaults in Ubuntu previously
[00:23] <wedgie> genii: which is related to running a bash script how?
[00:23] <insty> genii, ./create_install_iso.sh  Script is designed to be run only with bash
[00:24] <wedgie> insty: what command are you running and what is the output? Pastebin this and give us the link please
[00:24] <pavlos> RNeville, I guess you could boot off a liveusb, then mount your existing system, chroot, and remove nvidia drivers (I better google this
[00:24] <genii> wedgie: Some scripts have bashisms which choke if using dash
[00:24] <insty> wedgie, I'm just calling the script name
[00:24] <wedgie> insty: what command are you running and what is the output? Pastebin this and give us the link please
[00:25] <pavlos> RNeville, http://askubuntu.com/questions/206283/how-can-i-uninstall-a-nvidia-driver-completely
[00:25] <RNeville> thx, Pavlos - I did see a youtube video doing just what you outlined
[00:26] <insty> !pastebin
[00:26] <pavlos> RNeville, even if your system boots with a blank screen, c-a-F1 should pop a text login
[00:26] <insty> wedgie, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24016966/
[00:26] <roothorick> Ubuntu-GNOME, have my monitor plugged into a GeForce card, proprietary drivers. Volume is supposedly muted. In actuality, volume is full blast. Volume control does nothing.
[00:26] <roothorick> using speakers on the monitor
[00:27] <wedgie> insty: bash create_install_iso.sh
[00:27] <roothorick> wait. I think it might be the game...
[00:28] <RNeville> Pavlos, I don't understand how I can open control-f1 when I've enabled full disk encryption on my computer
[00:28] <RNeville> I guess, I'm missing something obvious - sorry
[00:29] <roothorick> now all of a sudden it works. wat
[00:34] <pavlos> RNeville, and I dont know since I dont have LUKS experience (let me google this question
[00:36] <Fendarisx> with gsuko nautilus ... why cant i move files in /usr/local/lib/ to trash?
[00:36] <Fendarisx> it's greyed out
[00:37] <Fendarisx> nvm got it
[00:37] <k1l_> running nautilus as root and moving things to trash are not good ideas at all.
[00:37] <Trioxin> should this work on Ubuntu? https://askubuntu.com/questions/880993/would-this-fedora-method-of-encrypting-boot-work-with-ubuntu-16-10
[00:37] <Fendarisx> Kil why do you guys keep saying that?
[00:38] <Fendarisx> I have a useless file, in a stupid folder
[00:38] <Fendarisx> and you say "Leave it there forever"
[00:38] <Trioxin> I want to isolate all linux drives from a Windows install I'm about to do on a different drive
[00:38] <k1l_> Fendarisx: no, then just remove it.
[00:38] <Trioxin> linux partitions rather
[00:38] <Fendarisx> that s what i am trying to do =D
[00:38] <bivo> How do I correct this error? http://pastebin.com/jaR7KGFZ
[00:39] <k1l_> Fendarisx: but running nautilus as root will lead to issues when you forget that its root nautilus. and moving to trash means "i am unsure if i will need it again". and those 2 things lead to mess. seen that enough times in here.
[00:39] <nacc> bivo: fixe your sources.list to not list entries twice (lines 2 and 7)
[00:39] <Fendarisx> Yeah, but i just want to delete this boost 1.55 installation, which I placed there myself
[00:39] <k1l_> bivo: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and show that link in here please
[00:39] <Fendarisx> and did that now
[00:40] <nacc> Fendarisx: stop using GUIs to do things probably
[00:40] <k1l_> Fendarisx: "(sudo) rm /path/to/some/file" in terminal, all done.
[00:41] <Jonathan_> Hi, I'm trying to update to Ubuntu 16.04.2 from 16.04.1, but I don't seem to be able to get it using a sudo apt dist-upgrade.  Am I just too impatient or should it be out for everyone ?
[00:41] <nacc> Jonathan_: you won't really notice any difference
[00:41] <nacc> Jonathan_: 16.04.2 is just a respin of the ISOs if you are already running 16.04
[00:41] <bivo> k1l_: http://termbin.com/cf9t
[00:42] <Jonathan_> @nacc uname -a still reveals the 4.4 kernel after a restart
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: you may want to 'opt-in' to the HWE stacks, which a fresh install would get by default
[00:42] <Jonathan_> I thought it was suppsed to include 4.8 ?
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: only if you opt-in
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: I believe this might be in the release notes
[00:42] <k1l_> Jonathan_: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" will bring you to 16.04.2 on any 16.04 install.
[00:42] <nacc> Jonathan_: 16.04.2 != (definitionally) HWE kernel/X
[00:42] <k1l_> Jonathan_: the kernel is not changed on already installed 16.04s
[00:42] <Jonathan_> @kll Super, I'll try that.  Thank you!
[00:43] <k1l_> Jonathan_: that command will not upgrade the kernel base.
[00:43] <k1l_> !hwe | Jonathan_
[00:43] <nacc> Jonathan_: if you want 4.8, you need to install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04 (there is a similar xserver-xorg package)
[00:43] <k1l_> bivo: what desktop do you run?
[00:44] <bivo> k1l_ Mate
[00:44] <Jonathan_> kll and nacc: Thank you.  I didn't realize that it was only for fresh installs.
[00:44] <Fendarisx> @k1l_ how do I learn to read sudo apt-get scripts?
[00:44] <Fendarisx> or rather how do i open one?
[00:45] <Fendarisx> without executing it
[00:45] <nacc> Jonathan_: and note that it's rolling, so if you opt into it now, it will keep updating when the next hwe release comes out
[00:45] <nacc> Fendarisx: what is a 'apt-get script'?
[00:45] <nacc> Fendarisx: do you mean the post and pre scripts?
[00:45] <Jonathan_> nacc: That makes sense, thank you.
[00:45] <Fendarisx> i want to read the commands that sudo apt-get install libboost-dev executes
[00:45] <k1l_> bivo: somehow your sources got mixed and doubled. open the file with "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and remove line 2. then press ctrl+o for saving and then ctrl+x to exit
[00:45] <Fendarisx> out of curiosity
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: if so, /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.<relevant extension>. But you really don't want to muck with them
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: well, it installs some files and runs some commands
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: some commands happen before install, some happen after
[00:46] <Fendarisx> i believe it just extracts files into /usr/local/lib/ and /usr/local/include and adds them to the PATH, and am curious to read up what it actually does
[00:46] <nacc> Fendarisx: no, no .deb puts anything in /usr/local if published by Ubuntu.
[00:46] <k1l_> Fendarisx: its the install scriptes from the package.
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: and those would be added to LD_LIBRARY_PATH not PATH
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: well, /usr/local/lib would be; /usr/local/include would be passed to the compiler
[00:47] <nacc> Fendarisx: but I doubt any package is changing either of those variables
[00:48] <Fendarisx> is LD_LIBRARY_PATH automatically searched by programs like cmake?
[00:48] <Fendarisx> then the install script wouldn't need to modify anything
[00:48] <nacc> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is automatically searched by ld
[00:49] <nacc> which cmake presumably invokes to link
[00:49] <Fendarisx> but I could still read up which files I need to delete to completely remove 1.55
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: you installed 1.55 from sourc,e right?
[00:49] <Fendarisx> yes and i believe it only modified /lib and /include
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: then apt has *nothing* to do with it.
[00:49] <Fendarisx> didn't find anything in this share folder
[00:49] <Fendarisx> Yes, but apt might have a similar file structure
[00:49] <Fendarisx> in different folders
[00:49] <nacc> Fendarisx: you seem to very confused by what you're doing to your system
[00:50] <Fendarisx> Yes, you keep telling me that
[00:50] <Fendarisx> about 20 times xD
[00:50] <Fendarisx> I am making progress though :)
[00:50] <bivo> k1l_ literally the 2nd line down from the top?
[00:51] <k1l_> bivo: yes.
[00:52] <mirador> k1l_?
[00:53] <wedgie> why does viewing the plain-text version of a paste on paste.ubuntu.com require logging in?
[00:55] <Fendarisx> The info folder is really nice. I found the libboost packages. Now I am wondering why there is no libboost-dev in /var/lib/dpgk/info/ but only files like libboost-date-time1,58.0:amd64.list  Is the dev file somewhere else or is dev a placeholder like * ?
[00:55] <XBT_Dude> wedgie: I think you have to log in for either if not mistaken
[00:55] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: nope. I can see the "full" page just fine.
[00:55] <XBT_Dude> log in to use the site.... kind of the norm these days
[00:57] <XBT_Dude> hum  I seem to remember having log in the last time I started it from a different box
[00:58] <XBT_Dude> like this one I just installed Xubuntu 16.04 AMDx64
[00:58] <XBT_Dude> on an old door stop Acer laptop
[00:59] <XBT_Dude> after updates I was quit impressed, only had to go get the dreaded Broadcom driver fore the wireless to work
[01:01] <TBotNik> All: Repeating: Does anyone understand and know how to fix my problem at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5671754#post5671754
[01:01] <davidj> @RNeville — make sure you have uefi set to 'other operating systems' in your BIOS
[01:02] <davidj> I know that sounds whack, but, I spent at least an hour battling the proprietary drivers because of that
[01:02] <XBT_Dude> wedgie: looks like some html5 code your browser doesn't load up in text mode
[01:02] <davidj> (which, it turns out the proprietary drivers are *amaaaaaazing* :p You'll want them)
[01:03] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: wut?
[01:05] <andywork> XBT_Dude: what is an old door stop acer laptop?
[01:05] <XBT_Dude> am I understanding you?  you are viewing the page in simple html?
[01:06] <nacc> Fendarisx: libboost-dev is a virtual package
[01:06] <nacc> Fendarisx: err, an empty package for dependencies (not virtual, sorry)
[01:07] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: on any given paste you can see what they pasted with a bunch of other stuff. It provides a link "download as text" But to do that you mus be logged in. Seems very odd to me.
[01:07] <wedgie> XBT_Dude: most paste sites provide a plain text version, and this one appears to as well... you just have to be logged in.
[01:08] <XBT_Dude> wedgie:ah ok I thought maybe you were using your browser in simple mode or something.. never encountered that
[01:08] <rantic> Hey everyone, I inherited an Ubuntu 10.04 server as a junior sys admin and I'm trying to bring it up to date ... however when I run sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <rantic> I'm getting a whole ton of 404 not found errors for the repositories
[01:08] <wedgie> rantic: 10.04 went out of support a couple years ago.
[01:09] <rantic> wedgie: Is it not possible just to bring this as up to date as 10.04 went?
[01:09] <rantic> wedgie: it hasn't been updated in a very long time
[01:09] <k1l_> rantic: where is the sense in bringing it to the same outdated packages?
[01:09] <rantic> k1l_: Less outdated packages
[01:09] <k1l_> rantic: no
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: Yes..
[01:10] <k1l_> rantic: less outdated is still a lot outdated
[01:10] <wedgie> rantic: would still be 4 years out of date. Time to consider replacing that box
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: less outdated is less outdated
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: I don't have that option
[01:10] <k1l_> start planing and testing the upgrade or new install workflow
[01:10] <wedgie> is it possible for him to upgrade it to 12.04?
[01:10] <rantic> k1l_: The box is used by developers who write very specific code with specific packages for gtk2/python/misc python libraries
[01:11] <XBT_Dude> like putting a Model-T engine on a horse cart
[01:11] <rantic> upgrading it isn't an option right now or yet
[01:11] <k1l_> wedgie: yes it is
[01:11] <nacc> rantic: it's not even getting security updates, which means it's likely to be vulnerable to various issues
[01:11] <nacc> !eol | rantic: you might be abel to find the old repos there
[01:11] <nacc> rantic: but really, you must plan an upgrade ASAP
[01:11] <rantic> nacc: There are so many other priorities that it will realistically be at least 6-12 months out
[01:12] <rantic> that's why i'm trying to do the best I can by at least getting 10.04 as up to date as I can
[01:12] <k1l_> the world deosnt need another spam box run by an junior admin
[01:12] <wedgie> rantic: i feel your pain though... there is a Red Hat 9 box kicking around where I work that I'm not allowed to smash.
[01:12] <rantic> they aren't virtualized
[01:12] <rantic> upgrading the wrong packages or going to later versions can literally break my offices workflow and leave people unable to work
[01:12] <wedgie> rantic: note that you can update to 12.04... for now. It is about to meet the same EOL fate
[01:12] <rantic> I don't have the luxury of an upgrade right now
[01:13] <rantic> wedgie: If I upgrade to 12.04 and their code written in python stops working, what would the process to be revert on a physical box?
[01:13] <rantic> wedgie: I feel like I'd be screwed
[01:13] <wedgie> rantic: take a disk image first
[01:13] <nacc> simplest choice seems to be setup a VM, test migrate a disk image to that VM, and then see what breaks in the VM
[01:14] <k1l_> rantic: setup a 12.04 box and test  the stuff there. better use a 14.04 and test if its running there
[01:14] <wedgie> rantic: though if you're that worried about it and they really *need* an old box like that, then i'd just leave it alone
[01:14] <rantic> I don't have anything to setup and test another box lol.
[01:14] <nacc> rantic: but honestly, for 10.04, we've given you all the advice we really can, it's not supported anymore, the repositories, if they exist are linked above
[01:14] <rantic> Literally nothing
[01:14] <rantic> The environment I came from was vsphere
[01:14] <rantic> this would have been a painless test
[01:15] <wedgie> rantic: don't have a workstation you can run a VM on?
[01:16] <nacc> rantic: honestly, based upon what you've said, you have no reason to 'update' your system. Just leave it as vulnerable as-is, as they clearly don't care.
[01:16] <rantic> wedgie: I have an isolated 'secure PC' that only has 4gb of ram and my laptop which would be pretty damn limited ..
[01:17] <nacc> rantic: I'm not sure why you feel like you need to update the existing installation?
[01:17] <k1l_> just updating doesnt help anything.
[01:17] <rantic> nacc: I setup a vulnerability scanning system called Nessus and this machine has the highest amount of red flags
[01:17] <rantic> I'm trying to reduce the vector for attack in my environment
[01:18] <Ben64> impossible to do that and have 10.04 still
[01:18] <wedgie> rantic: and still will once you bring it up to the latest 10.04 has to offer. It has been 4 years
[01:18] <k1l_> go to the managment and show them all the big security breaches that lost user/company data in the last year and ask them if the want to see their name there too. then they have to decide what  to do with that 10.04 outdated box.
[01:18] <nacc> rantic: right, so if they care about that, then they ahve to let you upgrade
[01:18] <nacc> rantic: regardless of downtime, this is the choice they made
[01:18] <Ben64> being scared of upgrades because things might break is one of the silliest things
[01:19] <wedgie> rantic: and note that the clock is ticking on upgrading... 12.04 goes EOL in April afaik
[01:19] <rantic> i wouldn't be scared if the method to revert was clear
[01:19] <rantic> I've done plenty of upgrades and migrations in a virtualized environment
[01:19] <Ben64> 10.04 is vulnerable
[01:19] <Ben64> theres no reason to ever go back ever
[01:19] <nacc> rantic: ok, you have stated two things: 1) they don't want to update for fear of breaking things and 2) your server has security issues. Do you see how those conflict?
[01:19] <nacc> rantic: at this point, it's not a support discussion, it's something your company has to figure out
[01:19] <rantic> nacc: No I said I don't want to upgrade for 6-12 months
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: there is *nothing* to update to in 10.04
[01:20] <Ben64> it's urgent, needs to happen in 6-12 hours
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: no security fixes have been done for years
[01:20] <Ben64> seems like you fail to grasp the severity of this
[01:20] <nacc> rantic: I don't care when you want to update, I'm saying choosing not to update and being worried about security issues are conflicting, period.
[01:21] <rantic> nacc: I didn't say I wouldn't update. I came here asking to update.
[01:21] <k1l_> rantic: stop searching for excuses
[01:21] <rantic> sigh.
[01:21] <Ben64> then upgrade to 12.04, then 14.04 then 16.04
[01:21] <Ben64> and you'll be set until 2021
[01:21] <rantic> I'm not explaining it properly
[01:21] <rantic> they build software in python 2.x
[01:21] <Ben64> you are, you are not understanding it properly
[01:21] <rantic> using misc random libraries
[01:21] <rantic> GIS software specifically
[01:21] <rantic> based off of OpenEV
[01:21] <k1l_> rantic: there is nothing to explain.
[01:22] <rantic> $20 says your environment is kvm or proxmox or vsphere or something
[01:22] <rantic> this isnt upgrading a generic linux web server to a new version
[01:22] <rantic> it's potentially taking down my companies ability to work
[01:22] <rantic> security isn't a black and white contrast
[01:22] <rantic> its a physical box setup by someone before me with packages from third party sources in the hundreds
[01:22] <Ben64> how would the ability to work be affected by someone getting root on the box
[01:23] <k1l_> rantic: than your company is rubbish and deserves to be publicly shamed for that poor security
[01:23] <rantic> that i cant guarentee work or exist in 12.x or 14.x or 16.x
[01:23] <rantic> i cant just randomly upgrade
[01:23] <wedgie> rantic: then leave it be. Just make sure your management understands (preferably in writing) that it is a risk as is and that at some point they'll have to take the time to update
[01:23] <Ben64> you have exactly two choices. 1. Don't care about security 2. Upgrade now
[01:23] <Ben64> pick one and stick with it
[01:24] <rantic> I'm trying the best I can in the circumstances I have
[01:24] <wedgie> rantic: that time includes the developers time to update their build process such that it works on modern systems
[01:24] <rantic> I've already setup segreated vlans for my servers and desktops
[01:24] <rantic> enabled 802.11x auth
[01:24] <rantic> we're now firewalld, authentication with our servers is based on keys
[01:24] <rantic> but i cant just randomly quit my job because I hate it
[01:24] <rantic> i need to find some sort of middle ground
[01:24] <Ben64> how is that related to anything
[01:24] <Ben64> either stop caring about security or upgrade
[01:25] <rantic> [20:23] <Ben64> you have exactly two choices. 1. Don't care about security 2. Upgrade now
[01:25] <rantic> So because I can't upgrade the server this exact moment I just let security go to shit? :/
[01:25] <rantic> that sounds terrible
[01:25] <bazhang> rantic, are you on 10.o4
[01:25] <rantic> bazhang: 10.04.4
[01:25] <Ben64> that is correct, and please watch the language here
[01:25] <bazhang> 0
[01:25] <rantic> no it isn't correct
[01:25] <rantic> that's absolutely terrible advice
[01:25] <bazhang> !10.04
[01:25] <Ben64> April 30th, 2015
[01:26] <rantic> please reiterate the same thing to the thousands of companies who still have to run zOS systems off COBOL or banks etc
[01:26] <Ben64> is when you last had a security update on that machine, it's very important, you obviously don't care
[01:26] <wedgie> rantic: i think the ideal situation here would be to stand up a new server, get the processes moved over, then decomission the old one. That way they can continue getting work done until something is ready to replace it
[01:26] <bazhang> rantic, what ever you choose to do is your call, please don't ask for the end of life version here, thanks
[01:26] <rantic> bazhang: I didn't ask for it here?
[01:26] <al2o3-cr> i just found out that a zapus is a little jumping mouse :)
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: You randomly asked if the server ran 10.04.4
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, you can try askubuntu.com or some forum
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: Do you even know what my question was
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, then what is your support need here
[01:27] <rantic> bazhang: Or did you chime in for no real reason
[01:27] <bazhang> rantic, I just came online, time to draw this to a close
[01:27] <wedgie> rantic: some of these guys are taking unreaonably rigid stances on this but getting hostile won't help
[01:28] <rantic> wedgie: I know what my options are now
[01:28] <wedgie> rantic: the situation is that updating the server won't be possible or at least tricky, and probably won't help much even if you do. So it is time to start exploring alternatives
[01:28] <wedgie> simple as that
[01:28] <rantic> I'm aware now thank you
[01:28] <bazhang> welcome
[01:28] <rantic> stinks.
[01:29] <wedgie> rantic: just gotta let management know what the situation is, clearly, so that they can decide how they want you to proceed
[01:29] <bazhang> let's move the chatter to the offtopic areas please
[01:30] <XBT_Dude> WoW I've walkin into a room of cackling hens that sounded like this
[01:30] <bazhang> XBT_Dude, thats not helpful
[01:32] <XBT_Dude> geez I'll take my chill pill    CYA
[01:34] <boxingdinner> what was that?
[01:36] <Talche> hi guys, anyone knows how to solve problem with webmin not going secure?
[01:37] <k1l_> Talche: best to ask the webmin guys about that.
[01:37] <Talche> k1l_: noone active :(
[01:37] <k1l_> !webmin
[01:38] <Talche> hmm... well.. majority of stuff works actually...
[01:40] <yakiza> hello eveyone i just installed ubuntu 16.10 on my new ssd and since i instaled my graphics card drivers when i boot my pc i just get a purple.ascreen any help
[01:41] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Try adding "nomodeset" as a kernel argument
[01:42] <yakiza> hello eveyone i just installed ubuntu 16.10 on my new ssd and since i instaled my graphics card drivers when i boot my pc i just get a purple.ascreen any help
[01:43] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Try adding "nomodeset" as a kernel argument
[01:43] <yakiza> pipelttodevnull what do you mean i am rand new in linux just 2 months
[01:44] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: When booting do you get grub or just boot straight to Ubuntu?
[01:45] <yakiza> i get a menu with 4 options ubuntu advance options dor ubuntybetc
[01:45] <yakiza> pipelttodevnull
[01:46] <PipeItToDevNull> yakiza: Instead of hitting `enter` hit `e` and add `nomodeset` to the end then hit `enter` I had to do that to boot manjaro
[01:48] <Photon> Tmux broke for me, and now when I try to source the config (from tmux show -g) it gives command not found errors.
[01:52] <Photon> Anyone?
[01:53] <yakiza> pipelttodev null cant find command
[01:53] <RNeville> if I enable my onboard graphics, shouldn't this default to the nouveau open source driver
[01:54] <RNeville> I get blank screen with installed Nvidia proprietary drive, so I connect hdmi monitor to on board graphics, and enable onboard graphics in bios- still getting blackscreen
[01:55] <yakiza> PipeItToDevNull cant find the commant
[01:56] <PipeItToDevNull> I am unsure then yakiza
[01:56] <yakiza> ty
[01:57] <yakiza> PipeItToDevNull btw i have still my old hd could i search thre for ehat is missing?
[01:59] <Photon> tmux is so broke
[01:59] <Photon> Now even the bind command doesn't exist
[02:02] <RNeville> bash-om, were is are you?
[02:02] <Ben64> Photon: unlikely to be tmux's fault
[02:02] <Photon> How should I start to debug then?
[02:02] <Photon> I reset my bashrc and I'm also getting another error
[02:02] <Ben64> explain what you're doing and what's happening
[02:03] <Photon> I installed tmux and gave it a config in ~ called .tmux.conf. I put in a couple customizations, nothing major. It worked fin. Then all of a sudden tmux doesn't work at all.
[02:04] <Photon> I did this at the same time as messing with python/django, so that could be it I guess. bash: /usr/share/virtualenvwrapper/virtualenvwrapper_lazy.sh: No such file or directory
[02:04] <Photon> Is another errro
[02:06] <Photon> Any ideas?
[02:06] <Photon> My current tmux config is actually the example, but it is still broken.
[02:07] <Transtibot> question: ive lost access to my usb stick i used to install ubuntu 14 somehow. i just want to clear the files off of it and use it as a normal storage now, any ideas?
[02:07] <Photon> You lost it?
[02:08] <Ben64> Photon: but everything works fine in a normal terminal window?
[02:10] <yakiza> hello everyone i have install linux and i have installed my gpu drivers and since i install the drivers whrn i boot i get purple screen any help
[02:11] <k1l_> Transtibot: open gparted, delete the partition table /make a new one. create one fat or ntfs partition. or choose "format" on the nautilus right click menu
[02:13] <Photon> Ben64, sorry, seems so, yes.
[02:14] <Photon> I tried reinstalling already.
[02:15] <RNeville> Could someone check out this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/245410/how-to-install-uninstall-a-driver-on-a-frozen-system-using-a-livecd, I want to use a Ubuntu 16.04 live CD to purge an Nvidia proprietary drive from my system - inserting "nomodeset" in grub menu doesn't seem to help
[02:20] <RNeville> forgot to mention, my primary drive has full disk encryption, so not sure I can use a command like chroot in a Live CD to mount my system files
[02:20] <RNeville> probably not, is my quess
[02:21] <RNeville> guess/quess**
[02:32] <RNeville> so many things I don't understand about Ubuntu/Linux
[02:32] <bazhang> RNeville, have you read the wiki and the free pdf manual yet
[02:33] <RNeville> i.e., if you activate you onboard graphics - why would Nvidia proprietary driver interfere with graphics
[02:34] <glache> Back.
[02:34] <RNeville> no bazhang, I haven't - every article about Linux is either for an absolut Newbie, or a Linux Zen Master - seems to be no intermediate material
[02:34] <secureOS> RNeville: Why u what activete you graphics onboard?
[02:34] <RNeville> absolute/absolut**
[02:34] <secureOS> *what u whant activete
[02:34] <bazhang> RNeville, would you like a link to such?
[02:35] <RNeville> I don't want onboard graphics, but the reset proprietary Nvidia driver has hosed my video cards graphics under Ubuntu 16.04
[02:35] <RNeville> yes, bazhang
[02:36] <RNeville> resent/reset**
[02:36] <secureOS> heh this or broken repository
[02:36] <bazhang> RNeville, where did you install the drivers from, from the ubuntu repos or nvidia's site
[02:36] <bazhang> !manual | RNeville
[02:36] <bazhang> !rute | RNeville and this
[02:37] <RNeville> I think , Ubuntu repos since I used "Aditiona Drivers" under Ubuntu 16.04
[02:39] <RNeville> Since, I'm running full disk encryption I'm thinking the easy way to get back to Nouveau driver is a complete reinstall
[02:40] <sirv> i installed the drivers from the SYSTEM - Software updates - addicional drivers menu
[02:41] <RNeville> However, I must admit I don't understand why is my hdmi cable from my monitor is plug into my onbaord graphics, and I've enable onboard graphics in bios - why I'm I not , by default, running Nouveau driver for onboard graphics - and therefore able to use my computer?
[02:41] <sirv> but also i have better experience with proprietary Nvidia driver - DOTA2 is working perfect with them, nouveau did not wotrk
[02:41] <RNeville> Yes, sirv, I believe that's the way I installed my Nvidia driver, as-well
[02:42] <RNeville> Just didn't know proper terminology to write
[02:42] <RNeville> when/why is***
[02:43] <RNeville> I would think Nvidia proprietary drive wouldn't interfere with activate onboard graphics
[02:44] <RNeville> woundn't/would***
[02:47] <raj__> gud     mrng
[02:49] <tobias_little> #ubuntu-discuss
[02:52] <c_thun> is there a way to combine two conditions for pandas.drop? for item in list: pandasdf = pandasdf.drop(pandasdf[(pandasdf.col1 > 0.5) & (pandasdf.col2 == item)])
[02:53] <tobias_little> ubuntu is cool
[02:53] <yakiza> hello guys after installing ubuntu and my gpu drivers my pc wont boot its just getting stuck in a purple screen
[02:54] <c_thun> sorry, accidently posted to wrong channel
 its so bad
[02:54] <RNeville> I know the feeling yakiza - wish I could help, but have no idea how to repair
[02:54] <RNeville> I guess I'm going to simply reinstall , and start fresh
[02:54] <w9qbj>  /morow
[02:55] <rosesarered> I tried to proxify apt according to this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/175172/how-do-i-configure-proxies-without-gui and creating a '95proxies' file  in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ it didnt work. I deleted the file, rebooted, butI still cannot get apt...
[02:55] <rosesarered> I dont understand it, I got rid of the file
[02:55] <tobias_little> yess i agree
[02:55] <yakiza> i have doe 5 formta and dunno what to do... my graphics card doesnt work
[02:56] <tobias_little> in ubuntu 16.04 if you use old grap card
[02:56] <tobias_little> you are dead fish
[02:56] <RNeville> mine is Nvidia GTX 760
[02:57] <RNeville> and now is has hosed my computer, Nouveau actually worked, but need proprietary to get Lightworks to work properly - that's all
[02:57] <causative> is it possible to set a screen unlock password that's different from my account password?  because I think I should have a strong account pw, but don't want to be constantly typing it just to unlock the screen
[02:59] <twizzleBop> I'm surveying opensourcers opinion of CMSs. I've been using
[02:59] <k1l_> causative: "i want a bullet proof door but next to it a light door because the other one is to heavy to open" :)
[03:00] <causative> well k1l_ I'm not concerned about anybody walking by and unlocking the screen
[03:00] <causative> my concern would be someone remote
[03:00] <causative> if they have physical access to the computer all bets are off anyway
[03:00] <twizzleBop> pardon touch typo...I've been using drupal and every cms I use seems convoluted. in an age where we can send a frame buffer over the web.. arent cmss just .. nuts?
[03:01] <causative> only I don't want to disable screen lock, because of privacy
[03:01] <k1l_> twizzleBop: that better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:01] <twizzleBop> ok
[03:14] <SemiNus> hi
[03:14] <SemiNus> is there any setting in the xorg.conf which disables copy & paste by clicking the middle mouse button?
[03:16] <cusco> hey folks
[03:16] <cusco> trying new lts here, and ... usb drive is not recognized
[03:17] <cusco> so dmesg shows usbcore
[03:17] <cusco> but /dev/sdb is nto there
[03:18] <Andyuser54> Hello. Does anyone know anything about porting Ubuntu touch to a new device?
[03:18] <SemiNus> did you look at the syslog?
[03:18] <SemiNus> sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[03:18] <SemiNus> ^ cusco
[03:18] <SemiNus> cusco, while this is open, plug in the device
[03:19] <Andyuser54> H
[03:20] <yakiza> i just dont understand how the same drivers would work a moment ago in my old hd and not work in my new ssd
[03:22] <nohop> hey guys. Does anyone know how to set the hwaddr of a NIC that's part os a bridge in /etc/network/ifterfaces >?
[03:26] <guyFromWeb> I am getting gnome-software error, could it be that my laptop is really old?
[03:26] <davidj> @yakiza — that's fascinating, re: drivers working on one & not the other.
[03:27] <Guy1524> what is the channel for discussing ubuntu 17.04 again?
[03:27] <davidj> @Guy1524 — there's #ubuntu-discuss which might fit the bill.
[03:27] <davidj> non-support channel.
[03:29] <Guy1524> k
[03:29] <Guy1524> thx
[03:41] <ubmt> qian
[03:41] <sirv> qian
[03:46] <ubmt> sirv hello
[03:51] <secureOS> what cloud u are recommended?
[04:00] <happyfr0gg> I need help with fixing apt. It is coming back with GPG No PUBKEY errors for several packages.
[04:04] <ZeBigDuck> Hi all!
[04:04] <ZeBigDuck> Strange thing today, I lost some files of my / partition
[04:05] <sukhoi> russians were behind this
[04:05] <ZeBigDuck> docker containers and images, vivaldi web browser, some shortcut I put in /usr/local/bin
[04:05] <happyfr0gg> Via terminal  'apt'  is returning GPG No PUBKey for several packages. How do I fix?
[04:05] <ZeBigDuck> How can I track what could have been done this ?
[04:08] <secureOS> netstat?
[04:13] <ubmt> why i can't list my bluetooth device by lsusb?
[04:13] <ubmt> yet no result from lspci,how can i find it?
[04:20] <prasad0896> #pyconpune
[04:23] <happyfr0gg> How do I fix apt returning GPG No PUBKEY errors?
[04:23] <happyfr0gg> Y-PPA Manager does not work.
[04:24] <happyfr0gg> It works but does not fix the issue.
[04:25] <happyfr0gg> Terminal also returns 'resource limit'.
[04:26] <OerHeks> that ppa got a package "launchpad-getkeys".. mayb you need that first? https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/y-ppa-manager?field.series_filter=xenial
[04:28] <gui7> irc.sceneaccess.org:+7000
[04:33] <ben_john> away
[04:37] <XBT_Dude> what does all the Ping timeout mean?
[04:39] <RNeville> Will, just did complete reinstall of Ubuntu 16.04 - have Nouveau back!
[04:40] <RNeville> My advice, learn to use Clonezilla, and make a clone of primary HD before loading any new graphics drivers - sorry to have to write this!
[04:40] <XBT_Dude> RNeville: me as well  Xu 16.04
[04:40] <XBT_Dude> ooops
[04:41] <XBT_Dude> Yeah well mine went pretty well for an old door stop
[04:41] <RNeville> Wow, XBT_Dude  - seems like a lot of these problems with graphic driver - had hard from LAS podcast that Ubuntu 16.04 had problems with Nvidia driver, but still tried anyway
[04:42] <RNeville> had heard/had hard**
[04:42] <XBT_Dude> Mine actually went flawless, except for Broadcam driver that NOOOOOO  distro has worked on yet without
[04:42] <XBT_Dude> a trip to wireless.kernel.org
[04:43] <RNeville> Noah, also said on Linux Action Show (LAS) that his laptop's wireless card wouldn't stay up
[04:43] <XBT_Dude> didn't even have to load video driver for this one witch is a first
[04:43] <RNeville> Under 16.04 - that is
[04:44] <RNeville> Yes, Nouveau seems to work well, however, Lightworks had some problems and recommend Nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:45] <XBT_Dude> not sure which flavor the last was Lubuntu 15.10 I think
[04:45] <RNeville> If not for problems in Lightworks (which I'm not sure is Nouveau driver problems) I would be glad to stay with Nouveau driver
[04:45] <XBT_Dude> but had to do video and wireless
[04:46] <RNeville> I'm on a desktop machine, and not a laptop - so not using wireless
[04:47] <RNeville> System Backup under Ubuntu 16.04 seemed to work well - in ways; however, still having to reload many programs
[04:47] <RNeville> I don't have a lot of experience with backups, so my opinion is kinda worthless on the topic of backup, though
[04:48] <RNeville> I wish I had separate partition for my home folder - which I think would make reinstalls much easier
[04:48] <XBT_Dude> I'm on it wired at the moment, out in garage so wireless is a little weak, but works ok, wired is rockin though even without doing the turn off Ivp6 thing I alway shad ot do
[04:48] <RNeville> but still not sure even with a seperate home partition that I wouldn't have to reload certain programs
[04:49] <secureOS> RNeville: check for blkid
[04:49] <secureOS> vgdisplay?
[04:49] <XBT_Dude> wife's callin be back
[04:49] <secureOS> i cant find any good work bios:(
[04:50] <secureOS> that is my problem
[04:50] <RNeville> is blkid - a backup program, please?
[04:50] <secureOS> no
[04:50] <secureOS> list of mapper
[04:51] <RNeville> sorry, a newbie linux user here, not following "mapper"? Sorry so slow of wit. :(
[04:51] <RNeville> secureOS, guess I should be using your nick
[04:52] <secureOS> if u whant
[04:52] <secureOS> i try fix my computer
[04:52] <secureOS> 4 months
[04:53] <RNeville> ok, secureOS - was it video driver problems
[04:54] <secureOS> i fill my video driver change every week:/
[04:54] <secureOS> i even buy new laptop
[04:54] <secureOS> and nothing change..
[04:54] <secureOS> bios is broken
[04:55] <RNeville> interesting, secureOS
[04:55] <secureOS> or company who run it
[04:55] <RNeville> but secureOS if you used two different computers - how can it be bios (unless same bio vendors)
[04:56] <RNeville> ?
[04:56] <secureOS> come on when i indicate with problem i whant olny fix my computer and servers
[04:56] <secureOS> RNeville: I did not think that it is possible
[04:56] <allen_> sorry  Bios is broke?
[04:57] <secureOS> but still it is
[04:57] <secureOS> :(
[04:57] <allen_> Does it boot?
[04:57] <secureOS> boot is does not mean correct work
[04:58] <allen_> secureOS   Does the computer boot?
[04:58] <secureOS> yes
[04:58] <allen_> Does it have a hard drive installed?
[04:59] <secureOS> but i cant start with secure encrypted system with out of UEFI and GPT
[04:59] <allen_> The bios may not support that
[04:59] <secureOS> pfc
[04:59] <secureOS> *ofc
[04:59] <allen_> but that dont mean its broke
[05:00] <RNeville> what is GPT,pls ?
[05:00] <secureOS> when i try start another system i always have a problem
[05:01] <secureOS> when i buy new laptop and delete all partition and online storage (wtf, what is this)?!
[05:01] <secureOS> i cant run any boot
[05:01] <allen_> your not making sense
[05:01] <secureOS> only new Fedora run but not realese
[05:01] <secureOS> *release
[05:02] <secureOS> allen_: come one for so many years i thought that i know computers
[05:02] <allen_> ok..your right Bios is broke
[05:02] <secureOS> and now i feel like i'm just starting
[05:03] <secureOS> even i can't find main arch linux OS in cloud server
[05:04] <secureOS> this is terrible
[05:04] <RNeville> I've owned computers for over 20 years now, and I'm amazed , almost every day, that I've feel like I'v just scratched the surface of an ocean over the  Mariana Trench
[05:05] <secureOS> welcome to my world:/
[05:06] <secureOS> anyone recommends program to change online lvm partition when they run?
[05:07] <iLikePussy> secureOS: forget LVM
[05:07] <iLikePussy> just eat cunt
[05:08] <secureOS> ?
[05:08] <secureOS> eat cunt?
[05:08] <iLikePussy> yes, pussy
[05:08] <iLikePussy> vagina
[05:08] <iLikePussy> are you seriously not familiar with the word "cunt"?
[05:08] <iLikePussy> !ops | secureOS is five years old and does not know what a cunt is
[05:08] <iLikePussy> ubottu: hello?
[05:09] <iLikePussy> !ops | secureOS is acting like a five year old, please ban
[05:09]  * davidj grins.
[05:09] <davidj> Thanks sir/ma'am
[05:10] <DalekSec> 'Welcome.
[05:11] <secureOS> I have the impression that the market is not enevailbe any secure system
[05:11] <davidj> Nothing is inherently secure.
[05:11] <secureOS> in which on one would have messed with and not listening
[05:11] <allen_> anybody know of a Zorin help room anywhere
[05:11] <davidj> If you're after security, technology is the wrong market :)
[05:12] <DalekSec> allen_: You can try 'alis', /msg alis help list
[05:13] <allen_> that will run a list of rooms on this server right?
[05:13] <secureOS> but i really think that technology is really try to fix security.. but no my laptop and server:/
[05:14] <XuBun2_Dude> what I miss
[05:15] <secureOS> valentine?
[05:15] <secureOS> :P
[05:16] <XuBun2_Dude> I'll ask again, what does all the ping time outs mean
[05:16] <hamsterpower> I really messed up some CUDA packages. I keep getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" and "apt-get -f install" won't fix it. It returns "No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already". What should I do?
[05:17] <secureOS> hamsterpower: maybe change max report on apt config?
[05:18] <secureOS> or use mesg or tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
[05:18] <secureOS> i have same problme but i dont start fix this yet
[05:23] <secureOS> great after update now i dont have sound
[05:23] <davidj> The joys of technology :)
[05:23] <davidj> (It's why I've bought an xps 13. Less !@#%$ery)
[05:24] <secureOS> pcman have sink is auto_null and have abstract class in properties:/
[05:31] <secureOS> my new kernel don't have any old module
[05:38] <lee-kun> eai glr ;-;
[05:38] <lee-kun> tem br ? kjjkjkkj
[05:39] <guyFromWeb> hi, what can I do with gnome-software error?
[05:40] <lee-kun> what is the error ?
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> that's what it said
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> there was really no logs
[05:40] <guyFromWeb> I think
[05:41] <guyFromWeb> could it be that it's an old laptop??
[05:42] <lee-kun> No, I think it is your software error.
[05:42] <guyFromWeb> I bet it's this https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2345113
[05:43] <guyFromWeb> I also had some problems during install, I had to go back then continue to click the continue button again
[05:44] <lee-kun> Ps: I ' dont speak english , but i can try help you guyFromweb c:
[05:44] <guyFromWeb> lol ok
[05:45] <guyFromWeb> should I reinstall?
[05:45] <guyFromWeb> it's pretty new (the OS)
[05:46] <hamsterpower> secureOS: thx for the tip I'll try it!
[05:46] <guyFromWeb> or I'll just do it tomorrow
[05:46] <lee-kun> I think so, your installation may have been corrupted, causing you to install the incomplete system
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> I'll try the same ISO again
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> I got it on my hard drive
[05:47] <lee-kun> Ok
[05:47] <guyFromWeb> if it happens again, it might be the ISO
[05:50] <bum> How to add "wireless display" in Windows
[06:00] <bigetbi> https://youtu.be/FliGdEGBoIw
[06:04] <happycod1r> hi
[06:12] <jamie_1> hey odd question, when cononical changed the naming method for wifi from wlan0 to like wlp2s0 did they also change the method for naming the bluetooth interface?
[06:13] <jamie_1> right now im working on a program that was designed to run on 12.04 and no longer works and im working on fixing it and getting it working on current (16.10 and 17.04) and i just want to make sure that as im doing it i dont need to go through and correct that
[06:14] <jamie_1> it makes os calls to the bluetooth interface to gain access and connect to specfic devices
[06:28] <secureOS> any idea when i whant instlall old good ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 with old kernel?
[06:29] <jamie_1> secureOS: for the most part you would have to add the old kernel in
[06:29] <jamie_1> then on boot select advanced option and boot from the old kernal
[06:29] <secureOS> heh
[06:29] <secureOS> not so easy
[06:29] <jamie_1> i belive somewhere in there you can set to auto use that kernal
[06:29] <secureOS> i haven't this option
[06:29] <jamie_1> secureOS: i've done it several times
[06:30] <secureOS> *i haven't
[06:30]  * jamie_1 does it mostly when i screwed myself that bad customizing
[06:30] <bigetbi> Ubuntu
[06:30] <jamie_1> one sec secureOS let me see if theres some documentation for it
[06:30] <secureOS> jamie_1: when i see my disk (lsblk) and before i use old kernel i cant start system and mount any hdd
[06:31] <jamie_1> ouch secureOS how did you manage to make that happen?
[06:31] <jamie_1> for the most part you might have to live boot and replace the stuff on the hdd from the live booty
[06:31] <secureOS> long story
[06:32] <EriC^^> secureOS: which kernel do you want?
[06:33] <jamie_1> hey secureOS does this help you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters it should allow you to replace or modify the kernal before boot
[06:33] <EriC^^> secureOS: install 14.04 then
[06:34] <jamie_1> well not a kernel but modify the boot parameters to possibly make it boot
[06:34] <jamie_1> go by EriC^^ first if that doesn't work ill throw in my crazy as hell solutions
[06:35] <jamie_1> im good at doing crap like that in ways you really shouldnt be able to... :D
[06:35] <secureOS> EriC^^: I try install 12.04 but steel i have same problem
[06:35] <secureOS> no secure
[06:35] <EriC^^> secureOS: you said 14.04 works though?
[06:35] <secureOS> jamie_1: i tried change flag on boot
[06:36] <jamie_1> wait secureOS are you trying to use secure efi boot?
[06:36] <secureOS> but generally nothing happen
[06:36] <jamie_1> with gdp partitioning
[06:36] <secureOS> heh no
[06:36] <jamie_1> okay... thank god... that is a headache of its own...
[06:36] <secureOS> and i have disable fast boot
[06:37] <jamie_1> im actually using gdp... so i cant vouch for the fact of... dont do it
[06:37] <secureOS> but for really secure system i must upload uefi
[06:37] <EriC^^> secureOS: does 14.04 work?
[06:37] <jamie_1> its useful yeah... extremely but its a pain the A**
[06:37] <secureOS> good option when start system is msdos on fat16
[06:37] <secureOS> for boot
[06:37] <secureOS> next boot unix
[06:37] <secureOS> and linux
[06:37] <secureOS> ex. ubuntu
[06:37] <jamie_1> what type of system are you using secureOS?
[06:37] <secureOS> ubuntu
[06:38] <secureOS> kali
[06:38] <secureOS> openbsd
[06:38] <jamie_1> system... not os
[06:38] <jamie_1> like hardware
[06:38] <NemosCene21> ubuntu
[06:38] <secureOS> what u mean? CPU?
[06:38] <jamie_1> does it support efi booting or any of the new setups?
[06:38] <jamie_1> more of is it a newer computer with the newer bios setups
[06:38] <secureOS> Samsung Series 5
[06:39] <secureOS> i7
[06:39] <jamie_1> one sec
[06:39] <jamie_1> okay... so by a long shot you wanna try to give uefi booting a shot?
[06:39] <happycod1r> hi men
[06:40] <secureOS> jamie_1: u send me a link
[06:40] <B105PH3RE> good day ladies/gents
[06:40] <secureOS> why in gnu grub setup write --fs-uuid
[06:40] <secureOS> on kernel 2.6.x !!!!!!!
[06:40] <jamie_1> secureOS: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[06:40] <secureOS> wtf
[06:41] <jamie_1> for the most part secureOS i try not to modify that much... i will modify the kernal... but the boot loader (not sure what the proper term is, im used to mobile os development) because if you screw that you are screwed rather well...
[06:41] <secureOS> there is now booting i try install reasonably safe and private system
[06:42] <jamie_1> try using uefi booting, at that point its more of the bios handling the booting than the rest, its actually writing to the uefi for the boot setup instead of just relying on grub
[06:43] <secureOS> boot setup?
[06:43] <secureOS> but u can run linux for uefi on ubuntu 10 or 12.04
[06:44] <Ben64> ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10 are both EOL
[06:44] <Ben64> what is your goal here secureOS ?
[06:44] <NemosCene21> Are ubuntu applications backwards compatible?
[06:45] <secureOS> Ben64: I try use secure Ubuntu
[06:45] <secureOS> maybe u have link to good iso
[06:45] <jamie_1> Ben64: help him please, im used to doing rigged fixes that will solve the problem but dont want to make someone jurry rig up in my methods... they are not orthadox and i dont want to mess someone else up by trying to do my crazy stuff
[06:45] <baizon> secureOS: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[06:45] <WoLf> NemosCene21: usually yes, some aren't, but that's often because of deprecated functions removed for security. At least that has been my experience this far.
[06:45] <secureOS> lol
[06:46] <jamie_1> ... i know how to wipe my bios and start from scratch as a clean computer, i dont know if you can from what he's on
[06:46] <Ben64> secureOS: yeah, any recent version of ubuntu is already secure. i suggest 16.04 becuase of it's long life
[06:46] <jamie_1> Ben64: for some odd reason he cant do that... still not sure why... im running on little info
[06:46] <secureOS> jamie_1: how u wipe bios when u have example cloud server..
[06:46] <Ben64> jamie_1: nothing i've seen supports that theory
[06:47] <jamie_1> Ben64: huh? what theory?
[06:47] <Ben64> that he can't install 16.04
[06:47] <jamie_1> Ben64: he said earlier that it wont boot
[06:47] <secureOS> true
[06:47] <secureOS> but now i using 16.04.1
 ok thanks
[06:48] <secureOS> last week i have 16.04.4
[06:48] <secureOS> ;)
[06:48] <Ben64> 16.04.4 doesn't exist yet
[06:48] <jamie_1> secureOS: i would need to have exact info to do research to see how to completely wipe the device to nothing
[06:49] <jamie_1> lol i got on her originally to get info for the program im re-releasing for 16.04, 16.10, and 17.04 and totally got side tracked... XD
[06:50] <secureOS> heh 16.06 i have yesterday
[06:50] <Ben64> 16.06 doesn't exist and never will
[06:50] <jamie_1> 16.06? lol
[06:50] <secureOS> yes o know
[06:50] <Ben64> you should start making sense
[06:50] <secureOS> x.04 and x.10
[06:50] <secureOS> Ben64: but what?
[06:50] <Ben64> explain what you want to accomplish, you're making no sense currently
[06:50] <secureOS> jamie_1: what kernel u use?
[06:51] <jamie_1> secureOS: im not sure what kernal im on
[06:51] <jamie_1> im actually on gnome
[06:51] <jamie_1> not vanilla ubuntu
[06:51] <happycoder> wnat you want men!!????
[06:51] <secureOS> uname -v
[06:54] <jamie_1> im gonna throw my question back out there.... lol, before i forget. right now im working on a program that uses the blue tooth, but the last version the original maintainers release for was 12.04. When conanical changed the naming setup for the different intefaces like wlan0 to a setup like wlp2s0 did they also change the naming mechanism for the bluetooth?
[06:54] <jamie_1> i need to know to know
[06:54] <jamie_1> so that i know whether i need to fix that as i go along
[06:54] <Ben64> pretty sure it's just for network devices
[06:55] <B105PH3RE> i guess that would depend on what bluetooth services your trying to use
[06:55] <secureOS> Ben64: great would that be nice when nobody access for my system and nobody change my bios, reserve my mem on RAM, using CPU, etc.
[06:55] <Ben64> secureOS: what?
[06:55] <jamie_1> Ben64: okay, thanks
[06:56] <secureOS> jamie_1: no
[06:56] <WoLf> I'm trying to follow on that conversation but man it's confusing.. "I just the whole thing" level.
[06:56] <secureOS> jamie_1: try module for kernel btrtl or btintel
[06:57] <secureOS> Ben64: what your problem? i write u answer
[06:57] <Ben64> secureOS: you're still not making any sense
[06:57] <secureOS> Ben64: what version kernel u use?
[06:57] <B105PH3RE> secureOS: May I ask if your first language english?
[06:58] <Ben64> secureOS: how is that relevant
[06:58] <secureOS> B105PH3RE: no
[06:59] <pfefferz> Hello?
[06:59] <secureOS> Ben64: I thinking is only i have unversioning pc
[06:59] <jamie_1> not to piss anyone off but i have stuff i need to work on... need to get this program up and running
[06:59] <B105PH3RE> ok so get it done
[06:59] <B105PH3RE> :)
[07:00] <pfefferz> I'm seeing install for 16.04.2-desktop appear to hang on adobe-flashplugin...
[07:00] <pfefferz> anyone else seeing this?
[07:00] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: its usually downloading hte plugin in the background when it does that so if you internet is slow it may take some time
[07:00] <NemosCene21> is it safe to download stuff from other repositories?
[07:00] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: only if you trust the source
[07:00] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: do you know anything about the program QtSixA?
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: yes I do been messing with it on linux for a bit why?
[07:01] <WoLf> NemosCene21: it's the same as downloading something from internet. If it's a reputable source, might be safe.
[07:01] <secureOS> trust the source, hehehe
[07:01] <B105PH3RE> Rule #1: Trust No One
[07:01] <secureOS> WoLf: spootify is spootify or facebook?
[07:01] <secureOS> ;)
[07:02] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: the last version they released was 2 years ago for 12.04 and they declared it dead, right now im in the process of rebuilding/fixing it
[07:02] <WoLf> 42
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: Fixing what I don't have any problems with my qtsixa setup
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> ps3 over bluetooth connection works great
[07:02] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: what version are you on?
[07:02] <B105PH3RE> you have to tweak the config to disbale the accelerometers in the config file
[07:03] <B105PH3RE> don't have it installed on the system but what every their repo' has
[07:03] <NemosCene21> is there any possibility that something bad will happen to the system  if I have downloaded some software packages from malicious sources?
[07:03] <Ben64> NemosCene21: of course
[07:03] <WoLf> NemosCene21: yes
[07:03] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: Yes
[07:03] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: their repo's last release was 2 years ago, and there is no "candidate" for anything after 12.04
[07:04] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I have it on 16.04
[07:04] <NemosCene21> what can be the worst thing that could happen?
[07:04] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: its been about 25 min on a fast connection
[07:04] <Ben64> NemosCene21: someone could have access to everything on your computer
[07:04] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: hmmm. get you get details or maybe it can't update it or something... I usually don't upgrade while installing
[07:04] <NemosCene21> Oh, that's scary
[07:05] <WoLf> NemosCene21: depends on what you consider worst. it could wipe your machine, it could steal your details, it could take pictures of you with a webcam, anything =P
[07:05] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: really? im on 16.10 and went to build it myself and had to add shit in just to compile... the gcc compiler was and old version for them and i had to add in a module for sleep, start and the regular stuff which was moved to a module after awhile... and the bluetooth wont work at all
[07:05] <B105PH3RE> NemosCene21: if the program you install is from an UNTRUSTED SOURCE you may be subject to trojan, back doors, and others....
[07:05] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: nm...went through...
[07:05] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: but there may be something up with the adobe plugin
[07:05] <NemosCene21> then I thought linux distros are quite susceptible to malwares XD
[07:05] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: copy that... can you see the program or no?
[07:06] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: which program?
[07:06] <WoLf> NemosCene21: it's literally the same as downloading a file from internet and executing it willingly.
[07:06] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I had issues with 16.10 so I went back to 16.04
[07:06] <davidj> What sort of issues @B105PH3RE?
[07:06] <davidj> Just curious. I'm on 16.10 — wondering if it might make sense to downgrade.
[07:07] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: I have way to much stuff on here to wipe and go to 16.10... all of my dev stuff is on here
[07:07] <B105PH3RE> davidj: I'm a gamer so a bunch of my games needed specific libs to run but the versions were too new for the dependencies to be met correctly for the graphics or game to run properly
[07:07] <WoLf> NemosCene21: there is less malware than windows platforms, but it does exist. The difference is that by adding a third party repository, you are allowing them unconditional access willingly.
[07:07] <NemosCene21> I thought in ubuntu it is hard to gain root access. Doesn't those malicious programs need root access?
[07:07] <B105PH3RE> well the possibility
[07:07] <davidj> Not to destroy your stuff @NemosCene21 :p
[07:08] <jamie_1> also the QtSixA issue that are on 16.10 B105PH3RE have a good chance of being on 17.04 so QtSixA will need to be fixed then anyways...
[07:08] <B105PH3RE> doesn't mean your will be a victim for sure but.... its way easier
[07:08] <davidj> @B105PH3RE Ah! That makes sense.
[07:08] <davidj> re: gaming that is.
[07:08] <davidj> Was just making sure everything else is alright. It's been stable for me, well, aside from like ~25 crash reports a day for compiz/unity.
[07:08] <WoLf> Also it just takes you doing "sudo apt ..." to have root access.
[07:08] <B105PH3RE> davidj: other then that 16.10 ran good for me
[07:09] <EriC^^> NemosCene21: the problem is that those programs are being installed by root access, if you install them in your own home dir then they can still do whatever they want just not to the whole system
[07:09] <jamie_1> i might move to 17.04 now to work on QtSixA there to see if there are issues there also
[07:09] <davidj> Bless your heart @jamie_1 :p
[07:09] <jamie_1> davidj: why do you say that?
[07:10] <NemosCene21> I see, thanks guys! You're the best :D
[07:10] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: one thing I wish they added was the ability to emulate a xbox 360 correctly for linux games to recognize it as a true xbox 360 controller
[07:10] <davidj> I guess it depends on the context of your usage, as a user I imagine 17x is rather unstable? Just an assumption of course.
[07:11] <WoLf> NemosCene21: Basically it boils down to a simple rule. If you are following a tutorial from a reputable site, for something like adding functionality to some not supported hardware, you are probably fine.. But a random site telling you to add repositories and running commands, must be taken with a grain of salt.
[07:11] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: that is a little more challenging for wireless as xbox does not use standard bluetooth...
[07:11] <jamie_1> davidj: im am both a dev and a QA engineer so to me... unstable does not mean much
[07:11] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya I know but its the button config I need to work like a xbox 360
[07:11] <WoLf> Especially if it's repos for "illegal" software. that's asking to get malware.
[07:12] <secureOS> if ubuntu not change a conception security is never system for normal users, if any what try to instlal game oraz software and add bad repo, down all system.. XXI age
[07:12] <secureOS> :/
[07:12] <NemosCene21> thanks
[07:12] <davidj> I'd go as far as saying avoid adding 3rd party repos.
[07:12] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: well i can see if when im working on it i might add wired connection for xbox 360 controllers
[07:12] <Antares> http://murzilka.org/home/news/
[07:12] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: no what I mean is to use the ps3 controller as a true xbox 360 controller emulation
[07:13] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: my thing is with the last release of QtSixA being 2 years ago... its only a matter of time till it stops working, we both know that, so a maintainer is needed. also its a possibility as soon as i get a reg build to fully work... i want to have a fully working before i add stuff
[07:13] <davidj> like @Antares' link for example, don't click :p
[07:14] <B105PH3RE> don't click rogue links you don't know about either
[07:14] <uxfi> Hello all
[07:15] <B105PH3RE> sup
[07:15] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: i just would like to make sure i can keep using my ps3 controller even after the new versions... and honestly even if im just able to get a stable version of current up and running for 16.10 and 17.04 as my pet project that would make me happy because that means that much longer before my version stops working compared to the already 2 year old version
[07:16] <jamie_1> *After the new
[07:16] <jamie_1> ubuntu version
[07:16] <jamie_1> *versions
[07:16] <jamie_1> wow i can not type tonight
[07:16] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: I completely agree I started using xbox 360 controller instead it works better I find with linux
[07:16] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: but you cant use wireless
[07:17] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: yes I can
[07:17] <jamie_1> thats my big thing
[07:17] <jamie_1> not without the dongle...
[07:17] <Ben64> this doesn't seem like it's on topic here, maybe take it to PM or #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:17] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: you need to purchase the usb reciever with a xbox controller and you can add up to 4 controllers on linux with this config... fully tested! :)
[07:18] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: exactly my point i can use the ps3 with some work and no money spent...
[07:18] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: Here's the blow-by-blow: https://www.zachpfeffer.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Installing-the-64-bit-PC-AMD64-desktop-image-of-Ubuntu-16042-LTS-Xenial-Xerus-in-Oracle-VM-VirtualBox-5114-running-in-Windows-7-Professional-Service-Pack-1-CurrentBuild-7601-on-a-ThinkPad-T460-model-20FNCTO1WW-with-an-IntelR-CoreTM-i7-6600U-CPU
[07:18] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya if you've got bluetooth built it even nicer... I was able to get a xbox one controller via bluetooth though
[07:19] <jamie_1> B105PH3RE: i dont know about that one, i dont know how microsoft did their new controller setup
[07:19] <jamie_1> not gonna claim i do
[07:19] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: 8. in Step 4
[07:19] <jamie_1> also i like the ps3 controller setup and the way it sits in my hands
[07:19] <Ben64> jamie_1: please take this elsewhere
[07:20] <B105PH3RE> jamie_1: ya I do love the ps3 the best it works for me the best also since I'm an old school kinda gamer nintendo and older systems
[07:21] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: sorry that links not working for me I get a blank ZACH'S BLOG page
[07:21] <jamie_1> whatever
[07:21] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: it may take a sec to load
[07:22] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: there nothing else to load according to my browser
[07:22] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: so your trying to install ubuntu 16.04
[07:23] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: yes, but I'm mainly writing it up
[07:23] <B105PH3RE> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <B105PH3RE> much better guide
[07:24] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: writing it up? you mean making a install guide also?
[07:24] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: it is a good guide, the guide I'm writing focuses on using it in VirtualBox on Windows 7
[07:24] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: oh my bad sorry man...
[07:25] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: no worries
[07:25] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: so your installing ubuntu on vm and your doing a guide for?
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: mainly to help people get started working with Linux in a way they feel comfortable with
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: so I make everything super specific so that there is 0 ambiguity
[07:26] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: I think thats awesome dude good luck and I will spread the news also... always like to see a fellow penguin army member promoting the ranks!
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: :)
[07:26] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: thanks
[07:27] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: the blog builds up to through a few other posts
[07:27] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: over the next few days, I'm going to do, how to write a kernel patch and submit to kernel.org, but for doc patches
[07:28] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: thanks for spreading the word
[07:28] <pfefferz> :)
[07:28] <B105PH3RE> pfefferz: NO THANK YOU! your doing all the WORK! GO PENGUIN ARMY!
[07:28] <pfefferz> B105PH3RE: :)
[07:31] <B105PH3RE> ShoutCast Stream http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9000
[07:59] <Dreaman> how to conf ipv6 in ubuntu
[08:00] <Wulf> Dreaman: it just works
[08:01] <Dreaman> just not i us 4
[08:01] <Wulf> Dreaman: does your ISP offer IPv6? Does your router support it?
[08:02] <B105PH3RE> Dreaman: if you goto console and do "ifconfig" you should see a inet6 addr: blah:blah:blah
[08:02] <Dreaman> ok
[08:02] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: ifconfig is obsolete. And has been for 20 years or so.
[08:02] <Wulf> Dreaman: ip addr show
[08:03] <B105PH3RE> Wulf: welll it works doesn't it
[08:03] <Dreaman> fe80::3dbc:a2f9:df0e:9069/64  is my
[08:03] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: nope
[08:03] <B105PH3RE> well i just did it on 16.04
[08:04] <Wulf> Dreaman: does your ISP offer IPv6? Does your router support it?
[08:04] <B105PH3RE> well i prefer ifconfig's display structure better then that ip addr show
[08:04] <Wulf> B105PH3RE: takes time to get used to something else, sure
[08:04] <B105PH3RE> maybe
[08:05] <B105PH3RE> if I feel the need or desire
[08:05] <B105PH3RE> :P
[08:05] <Dreaman> Wulf call him
[08:10] <SynfulAck> any way to freely scroll through different tmux sessions besides ctrl+b arrow?
[08:11] <wade_> hi
[08:18] <PharaohSD> sup fags
[08:21] <B105PH3RE> That an intelligent greeting
[08:23] <PharaohSD> lol
[08:23] <PharaohSD> sup B105PH3RE
[08:23] <B105PH3RE> whatup
[08:23] <PharaohSD> dling dota 2
[08:23] <PharaohSD> should be fun
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> its pretty good
[08:24] <PharaohSD> u still on it?
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> dota 2
[08:24] <PharaohSD> yea
[08:24] <B105PH3RE> ya don't play much still a newb at it... more a warcraft 3 player but its been a few years
[08:26] <PharaohSD> sweet, seems fun from the vids, and its weekend
[08:27] <B105PH3RE> gotta be carefull we don't wanna update Ben64 were off topic again... ;)
[08:32] <PharaohSD> lol yea,  but it's dead anyways >><<>><<
[08:34] <WoLf> hmm. I'm trying to slow down the polling from ntp, added minpoll and maxpoll in /etc/ntp.conf and restarted the service, but I still see ntp hits every few seconds.
[08:35] <B105PH3RE> WoLf: its ntp part of samba?
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> is
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> sorry
[08:36] <WoLf> I don't believe so? I do use samba tho.. but ntp should just be default time sync for ubuntu if I'm not wrong.
[08:36] <ducasse> B105PH3RE: you might be thinking of nbd, ntp syncs network time
[08:36] <B105PH3RE> sorry neverminds its time protocol
[08:38] <alkisg> nbd isn't related to samba, maybe he was thinking about smb :D
[08:38] <ducasse> nmdb? nmbd? something like that.
[08:38] <alkisg> Ah, yes that is samba too
[08:39] <WoLf> we have too many shorthand acronyms =P
[08:39] <B105PH3RE> too many damnn acronyms is right!
[08:39] <B105PH3RE> try remember other industries acronyms also
[08:40] <Jalina> !LIST
[08:41] <WoLf> Uh.. that's weird. I rebooted the machine for another reason, and now I don't see ntp hits anymore. I'm sure the configuration had been reloaded, as it had took the other changes.
[08:42] <B105PH3RE> i always reboot after a service change anyhow just to make sure on boot it works too
[08:44] <WoLf> I usually reboot for network changes, as most of the time I end up forgetting to ifdown interfaces in the right order and make a mess. lol
[08:50] <soman> Is [X]Ubuntu 16.04.2 available for download? xubuntu.org offers 16.04.1. Ubuntu shedule plan shows 09 February as a date of 16.04.2 release
[08:51] <Ben64> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[08:52] <B105PH3RE> http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/16.04.2/release/
[08:52] <B105PH3RE> oops
[08:52] <soman> Thanks, guys
[08:52] <soman> Point releases usually goes to 5 or it depends?
[08:54] <Ben64> LTS go to .5 yeah
[08:54] <soman> Ben64: Ok, thanks again
[08:58] <YetAnotherStupid> hey! do you offer support for Ubuntu flavors here (Xubuntu, Kubuntu, etc.)?
[08:58] <Ben64> official flavors yes
[08:58] <YetAnotherStupid> which are the official ones?
[08:58] <Ben64> !flavors
[08:59] <YetAnotherStupid> ok
[09:00] <YetAnotherStupid> I'm on Xubuntu and I'm trying to configure it so it autoruns shell scripts (autorun.sh) when I insert USBs
[09:01] <YetAnotherStupid> i know it's a stupid question, but in Ubuntu you just go to Details in configuraton and set "Software" to "Run Software" or "Ask"
[09:01] <YetAnotherStupid> however in Xfce I can't find any configuration option to set that, and it'll just ignore any autorun script on any device
[09:03] <YetAnotherStupid> i have a USB with a autorun.inf and a autorun.sh file and I've tested it on several distros and it works. usually, the OS will prompt me asking if I want to run the script or not
[09:04] <YetAnotherStupid> in Xubuntu it will ignore the USB. could someone please tell me how to change the behavior to ask every time or run the software always, instead of ignoring autorun scripts?
[09:04] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you
[09:06] <alkisg> YetAnotherStupid: if noone answers here, you can also try in the dedicated channel, #xubuntu
[09:06] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you very much
[09:07] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: i think there is a setting under 'multimedia and removable devices' or something similar
[09:08] <YetAnotherStupid> everything is checked but it won't work
[09:08] <YetAnotherStupid> if i joined IRC is because I've spent some hours on Google, so I'm really stupid or something is broken
[09:08] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: as far as I know you can't do a autorun.sh file or any sorts on the usb drive when inserted
[09:10] <YetAnotherStupid> yes, i've tested it on several distros and it works...
[09:10] <YetAnotherStupid> i mean i use this script almost every day and it works
[09:12] <YetAnotherStupid> you just create an autorun.inf file and an autorun.sh file. Ubuntu will ask me when the device is mounted, and some distros even run it automatically without asking
[09:12] <linux_> hvfkjf
[09:12] <linux_> lyyflhv
[09:12] <ducasse> what a horrible idea
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> Xubuntu wil keep ignoring it even if I change the configuration, or change the mount options
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> the only way to make it work is opening a terminal and running the script manually
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> on Xubuntu only
[09:13] <YetAnotherStupid> and I need to run it *automatically*
[09:15] <B105PH3RE> very bad idea
[09:16] <YetAnotherStupid> well i could make a local script that tries to launch the script every time it detects this specific USB, but I find this solution to be awful and unnecesary in a "supposedly friendly" OS like Xubuntu
[09:17] <B105PH3RE> what file manager are you using
[09:17] <YetAnotherStupid> i mean on Ubuntu I can change it in the settings so it asks every time, it's easy, makes sense...
[09:17] <B105PH3RE> what program was it
[09:17] <YetAnotherStupid> the default one, Thunar
[09:18] <B105PH3RE> did you try custom actions
[09:18] <YetAnotherStupid> what?
[09:19] <B105PH3RE> no that won't do what you want nvm
[09:19] <YetAnotherStupid> i'm not a genius with computers but i think something like this should be easy
[09:20] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: you really need to ask in #xubuntu, but i suspect you might be quite alone in wanting this
[09:20] <YetAnotherStupid> correct me if I'm wrong. you're telling me that something that takes 5 seconds in Ubuntu (going into the settings) is impossible to do on this distro?
[09:21] <YetAnotherStupid> i asked in #Xubuntu and nobody replied...
[09:21] <ducasse> no idea, i've never heard of anyone wanting it
[09:21] <ducasse> because it's a horrible idea
[09:22] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  i guess xubuntu isnt meant to be modified much, 'launch and play', so to say
[09:22] <YetAnotherStupid> running scripts from removable devices automatically? really? it's not like it's a weird thing, it's like making a autorun.exe program for Windows, there's a lot of commercial software that does this
[09:22] <wudo_honour> why  <IP_ADDRESS> can not ping the <IP_ADDRESS>  between two host
[09:22] <B105PH3RE> and you tried preffered applications
[09:22] <wudo_honour> why  <IP_ADDRESS> can not ping the <IP_ADDRESS>  between two host  in the straight
[09:23] <B105PH3RE> no nvm
[09:23] <YetAnotherStupid> i have to use several public computers every day and this scripts sets my work environment in seconds, i just have to plug it and... magic! i can continue my work
[09:24] <YetAnotherStupid> and computers with Xubuntu ignoring the script makes me angry
[09:26] <YetAnotherStupid> i can change the configuration on that "public" computers but I have to carry my work with me on a USB drive as there isn't a centralized network to sync my work between them (yet)
[09:26] <YetAnotherStupid> so if you come with a better solution insted of saying that this is a "bad idea", please, tell me
[09:27] <YetAnotherStupid> instead*
[09:29] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  later today, #ubuntu will be more crowded, more chance someone has an answer or solution
[09:30] <popey> YetAnotherStupid: it's entirely possible that this doesn't work on xubuntu, and that may be a feature that is as-yet unimplemented, or just a bug
[09:30] <YetAnotherStupid> yes but please i want the people telling me that this is a bad idea to explain
[09:31] <YetAnotherStupid> running scripts from a removable drive is a feature, and it's not a security risk if a) i trust the script and b) i have physical control over the computer
[09:31] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: maybe partial solution you can right clikc the ghosted icon of the usb drive and click on apllications run program and pick autorun.sh
[09:32] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: i can't, as Xubuntu won't even recognize that there's a script there, so it won't show any option for that
[09:32] <B105PH3RE> even when you try to open it with a program
[09:32] <ducasse> then you can set up a custom action, i guess
[09:32] <B105PH3RE> its a bash script so launch it with bash
[09:33] <YetAnotherStupid> it's a ext4 partition and i've chmod the file, and nothing
[09:33] <YetAnotherStupid> fucking impossible, it's like something in the OS is actively trying to block the script, like a security feature or something
[09:33] <B105PH3RE> did you try opening the drive and open with the autorun.sh right with bash
[09:34] <YetAnotherStupid> and i don't have any kind of antivirus or such, so i don't know...
[09:34] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: that is the only thing that will work
[09:34] <B105PH3RE> you made default action for the file type
[09:34] <whizz_> why does an "apt update && apt full-upgrade" (or dist-upgrade, or do-release-upgrade) not update my kernel to 4.8 on 16.04.1 server? I'd expected it to upgrade my kernel (and be equal to 16.04.2)
[09:35] <popey> !hwe | whizz_
[09:35] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: try this maybe http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media
[09:36] <popey> whizz_: see the section on that page for 16.04
[09:36] <YetAnotherStupid> according to that webpage, it should ask me
[09:37] <YetAnotherStupid> "Auto-open files on new drives and media" section
[09:37] <YetAnotherStupid> but it isn't doing that
[09:37] <whizz_> popey: I see, thanks, but it does not mention 16.04 server?
[09:38] <whizz_> would the command for 14.04 work?
[09:38] <whizz_> i.e. sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-xenial
[09:38] <popey> YetAnotherStupid: sounds like a bug
[09:39] <popey> whizz_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack#hwe-16.04
[09:39] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
[09:39] <popey> whizz_: linux-generic-hwe-16.04 is the package
[09:39] <whizz_> popey: ah yes, google pointed me there as well, thanks
[09:39] <popey> np
[09:39] <popey> its linked from the first page i mentioned too
[09:39] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  think positive: if it's indeed a bug, it may be named after you
[09:40] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: whats the file called? autorun.sh try .autorun you might be able to do it with .desktop maybe not sure
[09:40] <anddam> when listing block devices with lsblk is there a way to show the partitions' label, if any?
[09:40] <cristian_c> hi
[09:41] <cristian_c> I'd like to make avrcp profile working on my bluetooth headset, I mean: media buttons located on the headset
[09:41] <cristian_c> I've looked at bluetoothctl info output and avrcp is listed as available for the device
[09:41] <ducasse> anddam: read the man page, -f option
[09:41] <cristian_c> What methods could I try in order to find the issue?
[09:41] <cristian_c> any ideas?
[09:44] <tobleron> hi Guys
[09:44] <tobleron> How are you doing?
[09:44] <tobleron> I have a question related to Filesystems.
[09:44] <tobleron> Anyone here?
[09:44] <B105PH3RE> yes
[09:45] <B105PH3RE> were are all waiting in anticipation
[09:45] <tobleron> I would like to have an updated overview about the latest and greatest in Filesystem type commparison.
[09:45] <tobleron> I have always loved using BTRFS but a lot of the reviews are outdated
[09:46] <tobleron> also some linux distributions install BTRFS for root / and XFS for /home I would like to know if that is the best or not.
[09:46] <Ben64> pretty much just use ext4, use something else if you prefer
[09:46] <tobleron> What about stability and performance?
[09:46] <tobleron> What do you use for let's say a  mail server, and what do you use for your desktop?
[09:47] <B105PH3RE> well a 12 year old server been using ext3 and ext4 for that period
[09:47] <Ben64> ext4 and ext4
[09:47] <B105PH3RE> ext4 hands down
[09:47] <tobleron> So BTRFS is just B$ ?
[09:47] <tobleron>  :)
[09:47] <tobleron> what about XFS?
[09:48] <ducasse> tobleron: i use btrfs for / on my file server, but everything else is zfs
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> tobleron  btrfs lets you make snapshots of your machin's stare
[09:48] <lia> hai
[09:48] <YetAnotherStupid> i lost cpnnection for a moment
[09:48] <MonkeyDust> me too, i use btrfs
[09:48] <YetAnotherStupid> so any idea on how to fix this?
[09:48] <Ben64> YetAnotherStupid: be patient
[09:48] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: and as we've said, you really need to ask the #xubuntu people about why it doesn't work, or search for a bug report
[09:49] <YetAnotherStupid> ducasse: nobody on #xubuntu replied
[09:49] <tobleron> So EXT4 for stability and BTRFS if I want to take snapshots? What if I will already use a Xenserver for my work... which can take snapshots on EXT4?
[09:49] <ducasse> YetAnotherStupid: then be patient
[09:50] <tobleron> ZFS filesystem is not supported by linux kernel right?
[09:50] <YetAnotherStupid> in my opinion it's not a bug, and i think the option is disabled somewhere
[09:50] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: did you check those links i sent you
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> yes, and it only references the thunar multimedia settings
[09:51] <ducasse> tobleron: the ubuntu kernel in 16.04+ supports zfs
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> where autorun scripts are enabled
[09:51] <anddam> ducasse: jeez, it occurred to me I could RTFM after asking
[09:51] <B105PH3RE> so you went to removeable media
[09:51] <tobleron> Let's start Flame war. ZFS > BTRFS? :P
[09:51] <anddam> sorry for the noise
[09:51] <YetAnotherStupid> could it be possible that the option is disabled somewhere else?
[09:52] <ducasse> anddam: np
[09:53] <YetAnotherStupid> if you're on xfce launch 'thunar-volman-settings'
[09:53] <MonkeyDust> tobleron  polls and opinions are more for #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:53] <YetAnotherStupid> ALL options under the "removeable media" are checked
[09:54] <YetAnotherStupid> section*
[09:54] <B105PH3RE> right you did that and you changed the file name to .autorun on the root drive
[09:55] <B105PH3RE> as per page https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
[09:55] <YetAnotherStupid> in that page says that the file name can be ".autorun", "autorun" or "autorun.sh"
[09:55] <YetAnotherStupid> any of that names will work
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> no one*
[09:56] <B105PH3RE> right
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> sorry i'm not good with English
[09:56] <YetAnotherStupid> i tried all that names and it didn't work
[09:56] <B105PH3RE> try creating .desktop file for autorun and see if that works
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> as per the same page higher up
[09:57] <YetAnotherStupid> i already have a "autorun.inf" with a line that says "open=autorun.sh"
[09:57] <YetAnotherStupid> but i'll try that
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> this .desktop file as to structured for xfce
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> YetAnotherStupid  post your issue on a forum, this or similar https://askubuntu.com/
[09:57] <B105PH3RE> very sepcific params
[09:58] <B105PH3RE> hidden and execute bits are very specific too so check the description as per the same page
[09:58] <B105PH3RE> i believe it would work but thats all i know about it
[09:59] <YetAnotherStupid> i'm not sure about what i should write inside the .desktop file
[09:59] <YetAnotherStupid> this specification contians a lot of information, and I'm struggling to understand some things...
[09:59] <B105PH3RE> file structure must be as per page https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[10:00] <B105PH3RE> contents i mean
[10:00] <danzizi> hi
[10:00] <B105PH3RE> basically make a desktop file to execute the autorun.sh and if the bits are right it will autorun.sh for you i believe
[10:01] <B105PH3RE> Hello
[10:01] <YetAnotherStupid> so name=autorun and exec=autorun.sh with the enconding?
[10:02] <danzizi> why i can't join ubuntu-offtopic???
[10:02] <Ben64> danzizi: you need to be registered
[10:02] <ducasse> !register | danzizi
[10:02] <danzizi> oh ,thanks
[10:02] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: what type should i choose?
[10:03] <B105PH3RE> application
[10:03] <B105PH3RE> run in terminal yes
[10:04] <YetAnotherStupid> i guess strings here don't require quotes, like in the example
[10:04] <WoLf> Random question.. using NetworkManager, or manual /etc/network/interfaces? and for people who removed NM, why?
[10:04] <Ben64> WoLf: this isn't the place for polls
[10:05] <B105PH3RE> or do you mean which is better
[10:05] <YetAnotherStupid> not working
[10:05] <YetAnotherStupid> :(
[10:05] <B105PH3RE> what you put for exec
[10:05] <WoLf> that's what I'm trying to get at, B105PH3RE. Have an idea which way to go.
[10:06] <YetAnotherStupid> wait i'll upload it
[10:06] <ducasse> WoLf: use whichever you are comfortable with
[10:06] <YetAnotherStupid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24019065/
[10:06] <B105PH3RE> depends on your needs and desires of your network config manual personally I prefer because it just listens... automation is more difficult but network manager is nice for gui setup and notifications so....
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> you need a location
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> working director
[10:07] <YetAnotherStupid> ummm how?
[10:07] <B105PH3RE> and I think you need to use bash
[10:08] <Fendaris> I want to source .bashrc. My terminal is in /home$ but if I type source .bashrc it says command not found. What am I doing wrong?
[10:08] <YetAnotherStupid> do you mean the Path option?
[10:08] <B105PH3RE> what do you mean source show the contents of the file you mean then you need to use more
[10:09] <ducasse> Fendaris: try 'source ~/.bashrc'
[10:09] <Fendaris> I added /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include to my $PATH. But the manual says I now need to "You will need to source your .bashrc or logout/login (or restart the terminal) for the changes to take effect."
[10:09] <WoLf> More or less I wanted to know if it was worth to spend time learning NM, if it has any actual benefits over the manual editing.
[10:09] <Fendaris> "To source your .bashrc, simply type when in your home directory" "source .bashrc"
[10:09] <Fendaris> and that doesn't work. why?
[10:10] <ducasse> Fendaris: look at the difference in what i wrote
[10:10] <Fendaris> ah thanks didnt see the line yet :)
[10:10] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: for exec put
[10:10] <alkisg> Fendaris: /home is not your home directory, but /home/username is
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> sorry put "Exec=/bin/bash $HOME/medianame"
[10:11] <Fendaris> ah alkisg, that explains it =)
[10:11] <YetAnotherStupid> where medianame is the name of the device, right?
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> ya
[10:11] <B105PH3RE> the mountname thats shows usually
[10:12] <YetAnotherStupid> still not working
[10:13] <B105PH3RE> the file name is test.desktop
[10:13] <Fendaris> Do files in linux not have an ending like in windows? .bashrc etc. don't have anything like .txt
[10:13] <YetAnotherStupid> *sigh*
[10:13] <B105PH3RE> not usually unless they are specific program files
[10:14] <Fendaris> and how do you know what kind of file it is?
[10:14] <B105PH3RE> you just do or do don't
[10:14] <Fendaris> or how does a program know what kind of file it is?
[10:14] <ducasse> Fendaris: they can have them, but it's not mandatory. use 'file' to determine file type
[10:14] <Fendaris> I mean... I am just unknowing, but that seems less useful than in windows?
[10:14] <cfhowlett> Fendaris, easy.  open a terminal in directory and run file filename
[10:14] <WoLf> you poke it and watch how it reacts. =P as in.. try to open in a file editor is usually the best bet.
[10:15] <Fendaris> ah, cool.
[10:15] <cfhowlett> and you will find you linux life easier if you can stop yourself from using the phrase "like windows'.
[10:15] <Fendaris> ".bashrc: ASCII text"
[10:15] <B105PH3RE> its the filename thats important not its type... the relevent programs know who to use
[10:15] <YetAnotherStupid> B105PH3RE: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24019095/
[10:15] <YetAnotherStupid> currently not working
[10:16] <YetAnotherStupid> however i see a problem here
[10:16] <Fendaris> @cfhowlett: I am just always confused why linux is so complicated for new users. Probably historical reasons. It took hours to explain android to my grandmother. Linux is several levels above that.
[10:16] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: ok put the absolute directory path for the autorun.sh including autorun.sh so /media/user/medname/autorun.sh
[10:17] <cfhowlett> Fendaris, pretty sure you weren't born knowing windows, thus you can learn linux the same way you learned windows
[10:17] <Ben64> Fendaris: because people are used to other things, linux isn't any more complicated than windows
[10:17] <YetAnotherStupid> $HOME is "/home/$USER/" and Ubuntu and its flavors mount USBs in "/media/$USER/"
[10:17] <Fendaris> my example is changing the mouse speed.
[10:17] <YetAnotherStupid> yes that's what i was trying to say
[10:17] <Ben64> Fendaris: menu -> settings -> mouse -> pointer speed
[10:17] <Fendaris> why there is no slider for mouse speed in "mouse & touchpad" is beyond me.
[10:17] <B105PH3RE> also put the in a Path=/media/user/medianame/
[10:18] <Fendaris> @Ben64: I don't seem to have "pointer speed". Why not?
[10:18] <Ben64> Fendaris: whats this? http://imgur.com/a/Mbiq9
[10:18] <YetAnotherStupid> still not working
[10:18] <Fendaris> @Ben64 That slider does not exist in my ubuntu
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> hmm
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> well then were messed
[10:19] <Ben64> Fendaris: what do you have
[10:19] <YetAnotherStupid> when i mount the USB no prompt will appear, and no autorun script options will appear
[10:19] <Fendaris> General: Primary button left/right, and Double-click Slow/Fast
[10:19] <B105PH3RE> YetAnotherStupid: maybe further reading https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#recognized-keys
[10:19] <MonkeyDust> Fendaris  type   file ~/.bashrc
[10:20] <YetAnotherStupid> yes i was reading that too
[10:20] <Fendaris> I have to say ubuntu is totally fascinating, while confusing =)
[10:20] <B105PH3RE> there a startupnotify option
[10:20] <B105PH3RE> TryExec also maybe
[10:21] <YetAnotherStupid> yes i'm changing my distro
[10:22] <YetAnotherStupid> fuck Xubuntu
[10:22] <Ben64> YetAnotherStupid: watch the language here
[10:22] <YetAnotherStupid> thank you so much for the help B105PH3RE
[10:22] <Fendaris> Ben64: When I used xinput to find my mouse, I also didn't find an acceleration option, so I wasn't able to follow the xinput -set-prop way. I managed to change my mouse speed with xset mouse
[10:22] <Fendaris> Ben64: Maybe my mouse is just "too new" for ubuntu, like my GPU etc.
[10:22] <Ben64> Fendaris: what ubuntu do you have, what gpu do you have, what mouse do you have
[10:22] <B105PH3RE> well i don't know if it works but i'm trying
[10:23] <B105PH3RE> thanx
[10:23] <B105PH3RE> because its says here if the tryexec https://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html#mounting
[10:23] <Fendaris> 16.04. And a GTX1080. When I installed ubuntu the first time a few months ago (didn't get around to using it much yet), it of course gave a black screen during installation and caused all kinds of problems. People told me to "wait 6 months", but I figured out how to get it working after a day or so. The mouse is a roccat tyon black with an integrated sidestick
[10:25] <Ben64> Fendaris: you just need nvidia 367.27+ for that gpu, which comes with 16.04
[10:25] <Fendaris> Virtual core keyboard -> Roccat Roccat Tyon Black slave keyboard (3). and Virtual Core pointer --> Roccat Roccat Tyon Black slave pointer (2)
[10:25] <Ben64> ah, i guess because it doesn't come up as a mouse
[10:26] <Fendaris> when I got the GPU the main packages did not include the right drivers, so people here said the GPU isn't supported by #ubuntu and I was to wait 6 months.
[10:26] <Fendaris> because #ubuntu only supports standard packages or something like that
[10:26] <Fendaris> but it works now ^
[10:26] <Ben64> that's true but the driver is in there, and there's always the ubuntu graphics driver ppa
[10:27] <Fendaris> I had to install tensorflow, as a complete linux newbie, and ultimately needed drivers from none standard packages and compile from code. That was a fun experience. :-)
[10:27] <Fendaris> I will google for the mouse and ubuntu now
[10:27] <ducasse> Fendaris: i think there exists additional linux drivers for roccat mice, i remember reading about them.
[10:28] <B105PH3RE> Fendaris: did you try using the additional drivers see if options appear
[10:28] <Fendaris> you mean this https://launchpad.net/~berfenger/+archive/ubuntu/roccat
[10:29] <Fendaris> ah, no. that doesnt have the tyon.
[10:31] <Fendaris> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:berfenger/roccat --> sudo  apt-get update --> sudo apt-get install roccat tools
[10:32] <Fendaris> But when I open the roocat tool it says "Could not open file /dev/hidraw3 for device key hidraw0:Permission denied
[10:33] <Fendaris> Could not save unsaved data. Could not create directory: Permission denied. Maybe I need to run this as root?
[10:35] <Fendaris> *head on table* how do I even do that. :D The search window says "Roccat mouse configuration", but there is no right click run as root. And sudo Roccat mouse configuration says sudo: Roccat: command not found
[10:36] <Ben64> did you read the ppa page
[10:36] <Fendaris> find ./ -name "Roccat" -ls or find ~/ -name "Roccat" -ls
[10:36] <Fendaris>  is also wrong
[10:36] <Ben64> https://launchpad.net/~berfenger/+archive/ubuntu/roccat
[10:36] <Fendaris> Ben64: I feel like I need to be able to figure out how to find something that is shown in the search window and run it as root - independent from the mouse
[10:37] <Ben64> stop, read page first
[10:37] <Fendaris> i seem to have done everything on the page
[10:37] <Ben64> including adding your user to the group specified?
[10:38] <Fendaris> ah thx
[10:39] <Fendaris> I added the user now, the error persist
[10:39] <Ben64> what error
[10:39] <Fendaris> my user name is taryn@taryn and I did sudo adduser taryn roccat
[10:39] <ducasse> Fendaris: log out/in
[10:40] <Fendaris> "Could not read actual profile  could not open file /dev/hidraw3 for device key hidraw0: Permission denied
[10:40] <Fendaris> ducasse: ok
[10:40] <Fendaris> logout -> login did not change anything
[10:41] <Ben64> what is the output of "groups"
[10:41] <Fendaris> do i get that with echo $GROUPS?
[10:41] <Ben64> "groups"
[10:42] <Fendaris> why is that small and PATH big?
[10:42] <Ben64> because it's a command
[10:42] <Fendaris> "echo $groups" gives no result
[10:42] <Ben64> omg just type groups
[10:42] <Fendaris> ah just groups
[10:42] <Ben64> like i said
[10:42] <Fendaris> taryn adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare roccat
[10:42] <Fendaris> ah
[10:43] <Ben64> and what are you doing to get that error
[10:43] <dconroy> friday night linux support
[10:43] <Fendaris> groups roccat --> groups: 'roccat': no such user
[10:43] <Fendaris> I am pressing the "Search your computer" button of ubuntu. Then I click on "Roccat mouse configuration"
[10:43] <Fendaris> and I wonder if it needs to be started as root
[10:43] <Ben64> no
[10:44] <Ben64> try running roccattyonconfig
[10:44] <med911> Hi everybody. I have a question. I've heard that support for 32bit ubuntu is deprecated. Is this true?
[10:44] <Ben64> med911: no
[10:44] <med911> alright thanks.
[10:44] <cfhowlett> med911, not quite yet but soon.  plan ahead
[10:45] <dconroy> i scrolled up an hour and still not sure what we are debugging for Fendaris
[10:45] <cfhowlett> dcmorton, mouse driver
[10:46] <Fendaris> dconroy: Ubuntu does not give me a gui to change my mouse speed. I said that's so complicated. Ben64 showed me that's due to my fancy mouse. So I am trying to install drivers for the roccat tyon black
[10:46] <Fendaris> currently I am wondering how Ben64 knew that a file named roccattyonconfig exists, because the search you computer gui didnt offer that
[10:46] <Fendaris> I ran roccatyonconfig without sudo => same error
[10:46] <Fendaris> I ran it with sudo now
[10:46] <Fendaris> then the error doesnt come up
[10:46] <med911> another question. what are the future for snap packaging in ubuntu. is it something to watch for.
[10:47] <Fendaris> it gave a lot of hopefully irrelevant warnings (roccattyonconfig:32283): Tyon-WARNING **: Hardware data and rmp for profile 5 differ
[10:48] <dconroy> at what point it is worth just recommending switching mice
[10:48] <Fendaris> dconroy: The funny thing is. At some point my gpu, my wifi, and my mouse arent really compatible with ubuntu without hacks xD
[10:48] <med911> ???
[10:48] <Fendaris> I dont even want to know what else doesnt work properly that i am not aware of in my current setup
[10:49] <Fendaris> i tried to fix my wifi for 2 hours yesterday before deciding to buy a new wifi modem
[10:49] <Fendaris> the driver just crashes every 5 minutes, as i discovered with dmsg (?)
[10:50] <Fendaris> i also got a camera that doesnt work with the current kernels
[10:50] <Fendaris> and a cpu that needs the current kernels
[10:50] <Fendaris> Maybe I just dont run the right computer for a complete linux newbie
[10:50] <dconroy> we appreciate you giving it a go
[10:51] <Fendaris> haha, I am trying. I would love for everybody to use linux and just get rid of windows. That would surely also have a massive impact on the available ressources for improvements to useability for beginners...
[10:51] <Fendaris> I am probably just going to get rid of windows to force myself to get used to linux
[10:51] <Fendaris> ubuntu is also not compatible with my beamer
[10:52] <dconroy> ffs
[10:52] <Fendaris> There is supposed to be some way to install and android simulator and run the android beamer connector through that, but i will try that later
[10:52] <dconroy> figure out your mouse before you mess with any automotive OS
[10:53] <dconroy> dont tinker with your car
[10:53] <dconroy> if your mouse isnt working
[10:53] <Fendaris> you mean mobile os? ^
[10:53] <Fendaris> the mouse works fine now
[10:53] <clissold345> med911, I'm not an expert on this, but the plan may be that all applications are packaged as snaps.
[10:53] <Fendaris> :-) running the config through sudo fixed the error
[10:53] <dconroy> elevating privelages may solve problems but not always the right thing to do
[10:54] <MarkYisri> Anyone here having (X)ubuntu 16.04 randomly suspending about every 20 seconds?
[10:54] <ikonia> as in going into suspend mode
[10:54] <ikonia> or just freezing
[10:54] <Fendaris> let's go with the simple way that works for the moment, as a complete beginner, and I can return to it after I figured out the other 1 million things xD
[10:54] <med911> clissold345, where can I get a definite answer?
[10:54] <MarkYisri> @ikonia actual suspend (flashing light and all)
[10:54] <Fendaris> i broke my ubuntu a couple of times that way, but I just reinstalled, and didnt repeat the specific mistake.
[10:55] <ikonia> MarkYisri: I'd look in the log to see what's triggering the suspend
[10:55] <ducasse> med911: there is no definite answer, it will go where the community takes it
[10:55] <dconroy> mark what are you installed on
[10:55] <MarkYisri> A Toshiba Satellite A70. Please see http://askubuntu.com/q/884532/595510 for the log and temporary workaround (posted below)
[10:55] <nilson> moin
[10:56] <Fendaris> I am delaying what I am actually doing though... let's get back to getting cmake to run with an outdated boost version... maybe it works already
[10:56] <clissold345> med911, snaps are still in early stages of development, I'm not sure that Canonical know exactly what they're doing yet.
[10:56] <ikonia> that seems like a terrible idea Fendaris
[10:56] <ikonia> it seems like you should use the ubuntu package for boost
[10:56] <p00l3> Is it possible install xfce with ubuntu mini iso? not xubuntu desktop. Di i have this choice in list there or i have do it manually after install?
[10:56] <dconroy> have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/884532/xubuntu-16-04-suspending-randomly
[10:57] <Fendaris> ikonia: The alternative would be to fork gtsam (a big compplicated software) and update that to boost
[10:57] <ikonia> p00l3: yes
[10:57] <MarkYisri> dconroy: I'm an avid member on that site and that was my question!
[10:57] <p00l3> ok thanks
[10:57] <Fendaris> ikonia: It's a bit hillarious btw. Gtsam is compatible up to boost 1.57... of course 16.04 has 1.58 xD
[10:57] <MarkYisri> ikonia: I didn't know that you could install XFCE from the Ubuntu Mini ISO
[10:57] <ikonia> Fendaris: have you actually tried it against 1.58
[10:58] <dconroy> lol mark - my bad , I saw that and thought wow looks like the exact same problem
[10:58] <ikonia> MarkYisri: you can install anything from the mini-iso, it still points at the same repos as the full iso
[10:58] <Fendaris> ikonia: Yes. boost changed some important pointer things that are incompatible and throw errors during make install
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: no, thats not true
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: make install actually doesn't "build" anything,
[10:58] <ikonia> Fendaris: so make install should through no compile errors
[10:58] <Fendaris> ikonia: I already got rid of 1.58 successfully, and installed boost 1.55 into /usr/lib and /usr/include and updated $PATH to include those two folders
[10:59] <Ben64> that sounds horrible
[10:59] <ikonia> $PATH is nothing to do with the libraries
[10:59] <MarkYisri> dconroy: No problem.
[10:59] <ikonia> Fendaris: it sounds like you don't really understand what you are doing
[10:59] <ikonia> I suggest you stop
[10:59] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: I have to agree with ikonia here
[10:59] <Fendaris> ikonia: I am 99% certain that cmake .. worked. And then make install went to 70% and threw an error called something like error BOOST:: .... shared pointer not foudn
[11:00] <MarkYisri> can you show us the error Fendaris?
[11:00] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm sorry, I don't trust what you are saying as fact,
[11:00] <Fendaris> MarkYisri: Unfortunately, I would have to reinstall 1.58 to reproduce that. I pasted the error here last night, and people agreed.
[11:00] <ikonia> Fendaris: the fact that you are using $PATH to set a library path removes any confidence in what you are doing
[11:00] <MarkYisri> ikonia: he may be confusing PATH with LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[11:01] <ikonia> MarkYisri: he may, he may not
[11:01] <Fendaris> ikonia: Sometimes, I don't get why you always try to stop people here?  Then I have to reinstall it for a few hours (hours due to incompatibilities and remembering how to work around them)
[11:01] <Ben64> because if you're going to do something, you should do it the right way
[11:01] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm trying to stop you from making a mistake and wasting your time
[11:01] <Fendaris> ikonia: Experimenting with the different options is giving me some strongly needed exposure
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: when actually you could probably achieve what you want with guidence
[11:02] <Fendaris> ikonia: So what's the right way to install boost <1.58? I googled lots of variations.
[11:02] <Ben64> see that's already wrong
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: you're not experimenting, from what you've said you are typing random things in, and miss-understanding the output and setting random env variables
[11:02] <Fendaris> I can't use 1.58
[11:02] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: why can't you? It's best to use the latest version unless you can't
[11:02] <ikonia> Fendaris: you're welcome to carry on with that approach, however I don't believe it will get you anywhere
[11:03] <ikonia> you certainly don't have to follow my advice/suggestion
[11:03] <ikonia> I shall leave you to it
[11:03] <Fendaris> cmake was finding boost 1.58 on its own, after I installed it through apt-get. I can't install boost <1.58 with apt-get, because it's not in the ubuntu 16.04 package.
[11:03] <Fendaris> so I can specify cmake to find it, I believe... but I was curious why cmake can find 1.58 on its own, but not my manually installed 1.55
[11:03] <Fendaris> So I thought.. hey cmake is saying "update your search variables" .. maybe that means integrate it into a path variable
[11:04] <ikonia> because you are setting $PATH for example
[11:04] <Fendaris> so I figured out where the manual installation puts all the paths
[11:04] <ikonia> which is nothing to do with anything
[11:04] <MarkYisri> ikonia: let him finish
[11:04] <ikonia> I thought he had
[11:04] <Fendaris> how do I make cmake find boost 1.55, or how do I install boost 1.55 that makes cmake find boost 1.55 similar to how apt-get does that with 1.58?
[11:04] <ikonia> why 1.55
[11:04] <ikonia> why not 1.57
[11:04] <ikonia> (according to what you said)
[11:04] <ikonia> which is supported
[11:05] <Fendaris> I should probably have used 1.57, but I already finished installing 1.55 yesterday.
[11:05] <mutsy> Hi there folks. I'm using ubuntu 16.04 LTS but I can get any usb mounted immediately, it shows it in gnome-disks, but when I connect my Nexus 6P, it ain't showing... dmesg shows it is succesfully recognized, I did the input in /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules and have mtpfs etc but nothing works still ...
[11:05] <mutsy> anyone can help me out?
[11:05] <Fendaris> 1.57 isnt installable with apt-get either, is it? :(
[11:05] <ikonia> right
[11:05] <ikonia> so if you're building 1.55 - why not build 1.57
[11:05] <Fendaris> no reason. 1.57 would have been better.
[11:05] <ikonia> so is all too slapdash/random for me
[11:05] <ikonia> it's not thought through, planned or even understood
[11:05] <Fendaris> if 1.57 is easier to install, I can delete 1.55 and replace it with 1.57
[11:06] <Ben64> if you want old libboost, the best way would be to install ubuntu 14.04
[11:06] <MarkYisri> mutsy: Can you tell me what steps you followed?
[11:06] <Fendaris> Ben64: 14.04 is TERRIBLY incompatible with my pc
[11:06] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: why?
[11:06] <Fendaris> All kinds of different problems
[11:06] <Fendaris> 15.04 makes my internet EXTREMELY slow for example
[11:06] <Ben64> 15 != 14
[11:06] <Fendaris> I went through 14 15 and 16 on my path to install tensorflow
[11:07] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: The fact that you just switched from 15 to 14 does not inspire confidence. Don't change the subject in the middle of the sentence
[11:07] <Fendaris> I started with 16... nothing worked. So I went back to 14... then 15.... then ultimately I got everything to run on 16
[11:07] <Ben64> this whole thing seems to be heading badly
[11:07] <Ben64> running random things without concern
[11:07] <ducasse> Fendaris: run 14.04 in a container or vm
[11:08] <Fendaris> Guys. I asked what's the proper way to install an older boost version. And nobody except Ben has offered any suggestion. Ben said maybe it's easiest to install an older ubuntu.
[11:08] <Ben64> the proper way is to not install old stuff
[11:08] <Fendaris> I followed the official ubuntu installation guide on the boost homepage
[11:08] <ikonia> Fendaris: I'm not %100 sure you do need an older version
[11:08] <Fendaris> Ben64: How do you even work with open source if you refuse to install old stuff?
[11:08] <MarkYisri> Fendaris: It's better to fix the new version than install the old version
[11:08] <ikonia> Fendaris: and if you do need an older version, approaching it how you have being doing won't end well
[11:08] <Ben64> i install current stuff
[11:09] <Fendaris> I need a factor graph framework and gtsam is the best one. And that's not availble for 1.58
[11:09] <Fendaris> I could install it in windows in 5 minutes
[11:09] <royal_screwup21> I have some images stored in the form of .jpg links inside a text file. What would be the quickest way to view the images via the terminal?
[11:09] <Ben64> Prerequisites: Boost >= 1.43 (Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev)
[11:09] <mutsy> MarkYisri: okay so I have mtpfs and all the other dependencies installed, I have my phone set to MTP in the settings when connected, I have USB debugging enabled, it shows the nexus in "lsusb" and I put the following in 51-android.rules: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="4ee2", MODE="0666" and when I try to do mtpfs -o allow_other /mnt or something, it tells the "endpoint is not
[11:09] <mutsy> connected"
[11:09] <chaitanya> irc.freenode.net
[11:09] <Ben64> note that doesn't say Boost <= 1.57 >= 1.43
[11:10] <Fendaris> Ben64: At the bottom it specifically mentions that 1.58 doesnt work. So i suspect versions below work
[11:10] <Fendaris> Ben64: But I can probably try 1.55 in a few minutes and test it :)
[11:10] <MarkYisri> mutsy: can you tell me what you installed? I'm going to try the same thing on my PC, as I would like to do the same thing as you
[11:10] <Ben64> it doesn't say that at all on this page
[11:10] <ikonia> it says it's supported
[11:10] <Fendaris> https://research.cc.gatech.edu/borg/gtsam?destination=node%2F299  --> Boost 1.58: This came out after GTSAM 3.2.1, and is not supported. The latest development code does support Boost 1.58 on Linux/Mac. Windows support is coming soon.
[11:11] <ikonia> you have to use the dev version of gtsam
[11:11] <Fendaris> I cant find the dev version. I was looking for it, too
[11:11] <Fendaris> probably just blind
[11:11] <ikonia> which makes more sense as when that is marked as stable....you won't have to change dependencies again
[11:11] <Ben64> https://bitbucket.org/gtborg/gtsam/pull-requests/264/fix-compile-error-with-boost-158/diff
[11:11] <mutsy> MarkYisri: uhh, let me check
[11:11] <Ben64> literally one line changed to get it working properly
[11:12] <Fendaris> i am blind. lol :D pardon
[11:12] <ikonia> so you could even patch it and package it
[11:12] <Fendaris> then i ll go ahead and delete 1.55 boost again, and reinstall 1.58
[11:12] <Ben64> much easier than going backwards
[11:12] <mutsy> MarkYisri: You probably need mtpfs only ...
[11:12] <ikonia> hence "stop what you are doing"
[11:12] <ikonia> because that was far easier than breaking your packages
[11:12] <mutsy> MarkYisri: just to mount it ... but even gnome-disks doesn't show it .. it should right?
[11:13] <MarkYisri> BoomerBile: I'm using Pidgin so that should still work for you
[11:13] <MarkYisri> mutsy: hang on while I try it
[11:13] <mutsy> MarkYisri: thanks!
[11:14] <royal_screwup21> I've got some images stored in the form of links like so: https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzRnxWBnAhV What's the quickest way to view these images?
[11:15] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: you're missing http:
[11:15] <MarkYisri> mutsy: after typing your command it just hangs at the prompt. Let me Google it.
[11:15] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: but uh.... wget -i <file with the full urls>
[11:16] <mutsy> MarkYisri: uhh... the mount you mean?
[11:16] <mutsy> MarkYisri: it should go away tho
[11:17] <MarkYisri> mutsy: open the /etc/fuse.conf file and uncomment the user_allow_other line
[11:17] <royal_screwup21> Ben64 Cool, thanks! Is that command going to download my files?
[11:17] <Ben64> royal_screwup21: yes
[11:17] <mutsy> MarkYisri: yeah, already did that [;
[11:17] <mutsy> MarkYisri: Does that work for you? Since it ain't fixing anything for me
[11:18] <MarkYisri> mutsy: no, I'm following some steps. hang on
[11:18] <MarkYisri> mutsy: have the udev rules been configured?
[11:19] <mutsy> MarkYisri: well yeah, I got SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="4ee2", MODE="0666"
[11:19] <mutsy> which is output gained from lsusb
[11:19] <MarkYisri> mutsy: in what file?
[11:19] <mutsy> well .. the ID
[11:19] <mutsy> /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
[11:20] <Fendaris> building. :-) hopefully should work now
[11:21] <mutsy> MarkYisri: the permissions are correct, according to some guides on stack overflow: "sudo chmod a+r /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules"
[11:22] <MarkYisri> mutsy: open /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules and duplicate the final line, changing the vendor/product ids for your 6P
[11:24] <mutsy> MarkYisri: mhm shouldn't I just copy the whole file to /etc/udev/rules.d? It says it at the top :o
[11:24] <MarkYisri> mutsy: I think it belongs where it is, but hang on
[11:25] <mutsy> MarkYisri: well ... it's just a copy, and it says it at the top.
[11:26] <MarkYisri> mutsy: on my system it doesn't exist in /etc/udev/rules.d
[11:26] <mutsy> MarkYisri: it doesn't exist on default. You have to create it. That's correct.
[11:27] <MarkYisri> I am rebooting now, I will be back in about 2-5 minutes. mutsy: I'm not leaving you hanging. :D
[11:28] <mutsy> MarkYisri: cool, same. I'll reboot too
[11:28] <MarkYisri> Come back with a similar username
[11:28] <mutsy> yeah ofc, I use sasl
[11:32] <MarkYisri> mutsy: are you back?
[11:32] <mutsy> yeah, check pm
[11:34] <moglie> is it safe to install an older libssl?
[11:43] <MarkYisri> moglie: Do you need the older libssl?
[11:47] <rami_> hello guys
[11:48] <rami_> how may i create a system state on ubuntu like the windows system restore to test something, and if goes bad i restore the os to the saved state
[11:48] <cfhowlett> rami_, virtualbox
[11:48] <rami_> ?
[11:49] <rami_> my ubuntu is installed on physical laptop
[11:49] <rami_> and i want to test on it
[11:50] <ikonia> rami_: you don't realy
[11:51] <moglie> MarkYisri, yes for a program that's only supported on 12.04
[11:52] <ikonia> you should use the ssl version that ships with your distro
[11:52] <ikonia> and is patched and maintained by your distro/version
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:52] <ikonia> nothing else
[12:07] <Castor_Troy> i downloaded a software called turtl. it is a tar.bz2 file. i extracted it, went to terminal and ran the ./install.sh command. it installed the software in /opt/turtl. when i go there i could only run using sudo turtl.
[12:08] <Castor_Troy> i couldn't even run the app from the linux gui search, though i see turtl come up in the list
[12:08] <Castor_Troy> what could be wrong? why cant i run it normally without sudo ?
[12:08] <ikonia> look at the permissions on it
[12:10] <k1l_> /opt is owned by root as standard, so you ran the install script with sudo. chown the software folder to the owner it needs to be.
[12:10] <Castor_Troy> so i should have installed it using sudo ./install.sh ?
[12:11] <k1l_> you did that already. else it could not have put its own stuff there
[12:11] <ikonia> Castor_Troy: no
[12:12] <Castor_Troy> lol i just deleted the folder. i will try to install again
[12:12] <ikonia> why?
[12:12] <dconroy> the Face Off method
[12:12] <Castor_Troy> hastiness :)
[12:12] <ikonia> I just told you what to do
[12:12] <ikonia> just look at the permissions
[12:13] <ikonia> a re-install will just do the same install again
[12:13] <dconroy> why do that when you can nuke everything
[12:13] <Castor_Troy> ok. will do that. extracting the bz2 file now
[12:13] <ikonia> what is the point of people asking for help to then do their own thing anyway
[12:13] <Castor_Troy> shall i install usindg sudo ./install.sh
[12:14] <ikonia> Castor_Troy: do what you want
[12:14] <ikonia> you'll ignore the info anyway
[12:14] <ikonia> but re-read what k1l_ just told you
[12:14] <dconroy> the whole castor troy handle and the  use of sudo align pretty perfectly
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> how to look for permissions ?
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> i ran ls -l => -rwxr-xr-x
[12:15] <Castor_Troy> root and root
[12:15] <dconroy> castor, try to install it without elevated permissions first
[12:16] <dconroy> if it doesnt work, refer to the documentation of the package
[12:16] <Castor_Troy> it asks me to install with sudo, or intall to a local dir
[12:16] <dconroy> do the latter if possible
[12:16] <ikonia> re-read what k1l_ told you
[12:16] <Castor_Troy> Hi! Looks like you're trying to install Turtl without root privs. Try this:  sudo ./install.sh -OR- you can install into a local dir like so:   ./install.sh ~/apps/turtl
[12:17] <dconroy> ikonia: i respect your patience
[12:17] <Castor_Troy> ok, should i chown the folder or install it into a seperate folder.
[12:17] <Castor_Troy> since i already installed, may be chown is easier now ?
[12:17] <ikonia> dconroy: than you
[12:17] <dconroy> you dont seem ready to be messing with chown
[12:18] <dconroy> just create a folder in your home directory you have access to
[12:18] <dconroy> and install it there
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> ok
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> where does software normally go? in linux ?
[12:18] <Castor_Troy> its program files in windows. is there a suggested path in linux ?
[12:19] <ikonia> no
[12:20] <Castor_Troy> i was watching a tutorial earlier and he said some software go to /usr/local
[12:20] <ikonia> it can
[12:21] <ikonia> it also may not
[12:21] <Castor_Troy> ok i will create the folder in /home and will install it there
[12:21] <Fendaris> Castor_Troy: I believe /home/yourusername/yourfavouritefoldername/ is a good place, abbreviated as ~/yourfavouritefoldername/
[12:22] <Castor_Troy> sounds good
[12:22] <dconroy>  as a side note, very little comparisions to windows will help
[12:22] <Fendaris> I just started fixing my linux knowledge gaps, too. Mostly familiar with windows.
[12:23] <Fendaris> I am currently installing a local git, after I setup sublime. Ubuntu is fun. :-)
[12:23] <dconroy> rule of thumb is never restart, and it is always dns
[12:24] <dconroy> ubuntu is almost too user friendly at this point
[12:24] <Fendaris> that is definitely not the case if this os is ever supposed to replace windows at any point in the future ^
[12:24] <dconroy> its not intended to replace windows
[12:24] <Fendaris> then linux users should stop crying about not getting supported.
[12:25] <dconroy> we dont
[12:25] <Fendaris> by that i mean demanding that software gets ported to linux
[12:25] <Fendaris> they do
[12:25] <Fendaris> Steam is full of it for example.
[12:25] <ikonia> steam is comedy
[12:25] <dconroy> people complaining about steam are gamers before linux users
[12:26] <gobertgedford> can i upgrade to .2 using apt full-upgrade?
[12:26] <Castor_Troy> ok i installed it to ~/apps/turtl
[12:26] <Castor_Troy> there is a turtl.sh file there,
[12:26] <Fendaris> If you that was truly your opinion at the core, you wouldn't be providing free help to new ubuntu explorers
[12:26] <Ben64> gobertgedford: you're going to need to be more specific
[12:26] <ryeth> even if they were gamers before linux users, WINE could be implemented to run their games
[12:27] <Castor_Troy> how do i run ~/apps/turtl/turtl.sh from gui ?
[12:27] <dconroy> Fendaris:  i learn more than  i provide
[12:27] <ikonia> it's a shell script
[12:27] <ikonia> you don't
[12:27] <gobertgedford> 16.04.1 to 16.04.2 via full-upgrade
[12:27] <Ben64> gobertgedford: yeah
[12:27] <dconroy> kinda bs there was no 14 to 16 upgrade
[12:27] <gobertgedford> cool
[12:28] <Ben64> dconroy: 14.04 upgrades to 16.04, not sure what you're talking about
[12:28] <Castor_Troy> but running that sh from terminal is loading up a gui interface
[12:28] <dconroy> on a system76?
[12:28] <Castor_Troy> so something must be there to load via gui, right ?
[12:28] <Ben64> dconroy: why are you switching gears to hardware
[12:28] <gobertgedford> well, canonical just released the .2 release of of 16.04
 use apt update first
[12:28] <gobertgedford> sure
[12:29] <gobertgedford> my gf thinks my nick name ain't funny... how bout you guys?
[12:29] <ikonia> don't care
[12:29] <pauljw> and yes, dconroy, on a sys76 just like any other system.
[12:29] <dconroy> i work in a lab with a few talented engineers running 14.04 and they said no proper install for 16
[12:29] <dconroy> sounded weird to me but i just trusted them
[12:29] <Ben64> 14.04 can upgrade directly to 16.04, so... either they're wrong or you heard wrong
[12:29] <dconroy> its really supported?
[12:30] <dconroy> nah i didnt hear wrong cause i helped them backup everything
[12:30] <dconroy> ssh keys, bash profiles
[12:30] <dconroy> they got annual performance reviews this week
[12:31] <dconroy> those noobs are gonna get scorched
[12:31] <Fendaris> they probably meant something else
[12:32] <dconroy> 14.01-3 in the same boat?
[12:32] <Ben64> there is no 14.01-3
[12:32] <dconroy> ok
[12:32] <pauljw> heheh
[12:32] <dconroy> so if its 14 then its 14.04
[12:32] <Ben64> there is 14.10
[12:33] <dconroy> in hindsight, i kind of respect the move
[12:37] <ryeth> what's funny about gobertgedford?  Because it should say robertredford?
[12:38] <Fendaris> what is the difference between playonlinux and wine? I am looking at installing kindle.
[12:38] <Ben64> playonlinux is like a friendly front to wine
[12:38] <Fendaris> so just makes it easier. oki.
[12:38] <Fendaris> Ben64: Gtsam compiled and installed well with the dev build etc. :-)
[12:39] <Fendaris> thx again
[12:42] <ryeth> Ben64 handy to know!  Thank you for sharing
[12:47] <unrecovered> hi! can i ask mint questions here or is there a separate channel for that?
[12:48] <koleygr> !mint
[12:48] <unrecovered> thanks!
[12:57] <ace__> ace
[12:57] <ace__> hii
[12:59] <ace__> hello
[13:00] <cfhowlett> ace__, the topic here is ubuntu support.  ask your questions here or jibberjabber in #ubuntu-offtopic
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[13:01] <jancoow> Hi. When I do chown www-data webserver, and my user, janco, is in the www-data group I still doesn't have premissions to write in this directory
[13:02] <koleygr> !ubuntu-server
[13:03] <jancoow> ?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> jancoow, ask the server channel?
[13:03] <ducasse> jancoow: exactly what did you type when you ran chown?
[13:03] <koleygr> try in #ubuntu-server
[13:03] <jancoow> it's just regular permission question
[13:04] <jancoow> ducasse: sudo chown www-data webserver
[13:04] <jancoow> where webserver is the directory
[13:04] <ducasse> jancoow: that sets owner, not group
[13:05] <ducasse> jancoow: use chgrp instead to just set the group
[13:05] <Fendaris> Well, of course. Now kindle is running, but the displayed books dont work. half of the text is missing
[13:05] <k1l_> jancoow: chown user:group
[13:05] <ducasse> or that
[13:06] <jancoow> ducasse: Okay I did that but still permissons denied. Doesn't the chgrp or chown change the permissons ?
[13:06] <k1l_> if you still have www-data:root that user still cant write even if he is in the www-data group
[13:06] <k1l_> did you relogin after putting that user into the group?
[13:06] <jancoow> no
[13:06] <k1l_> new groups are only done on new login
[13:07] <jancoow> I did relogin now, but still permissions denied when I want to enter the directory. drw-rw-r--  7 www-data www-data 4096 Feb 12 01:39 webserver
[13:07] <ducasse> jancoow: chmod +x
[13:07] <jancoow> When I run groups janco I see the ww-data group
[13:07] <k1l_> its a folder? then it needs +x to be able to be entered
[13:08] <jancoow> thanks, that works
[13:08] <jancoow> Could you explain to my why that works?
[13:08] <jancoow> I was thinking I need the 660 permissions (both read/write for group and owner)
[13:09] <ducasse> jancoow: you need +x to enter directories
[13:09] <k1l_> opening a directory is executing the directory
[13:10] <jancoow> ah, so I need execute :_)
[13:10] <jancoow> that explains a lot! thanks!
[13:10] <Fendaris> Playonlinux,Kindle not showing half the text fix: --> View show popular notes, click one of the notes, text appears, go back to the start of the book and read it
[13:10] <ducasse> !wine | Fendaris
[13:10] <puchacz> hi, if I had RAM problem (I discovered md5sum was sometimes computed differently on the same file, so I checked memtest and indeed one RAM had to be ditched) - should I reinstall ubuntu now?
[13:11] <ioria> jancoow, http://superuser.com/questions/168578/why-a-folder-must-be-executable
[13:11] <Fendaris> I have wine behind playonlinux @  ducasse
[13:11] <ducasse> Fendaris: oops, missed the word 'fix' - sorry :)
[13:11] <cfhowlett> puchacz, ram and md5sum are unrelated issues
[13:11] <k1l_> puchacz: you should buy new ram or take off that faulty one
[13:11] <cfhowlett> puchacz, but a reinstall should not be necessary
[13:12] <Fendaris> I am happy. I got my principles and practice of using c++ book open on ubuntu now. Maybe I can go for some hours without having to install anything now =)
[13:12] <puchacz> cfhowlett, k1l_: I ditched the faulty RAM, sure. but I wonder if some linux files are not corrupted
[13:12] <puchacz> I am also surprised I did not get "parity error" style messages
[13:13] <cfhowlett> puchacz, unlikely but possible.  reinstall won't hurt you so ... up to you
[13:13] <john__> hi
[13:14] <john__> recently installed 16.10 and unable to get an external usb hdd drive detected
[13:14] <john__> can anyone assist?
[13:14] <john__> fdisk and lsusb do not show the disk and nothing in dmesg when plugged in to free usb port
[13:14] <k1l_> john__: plug that drive in and run "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here
[13:15] <BluesKaj> john__, sudo blkid
[13:15] <k1l_> john__: uh, is that drive working at all? on other pc?
[13:15] <john__> i have also noticed that when i try lshw with the drive plugged in it freezes...
[13:15] <k1l_> john__: does it have external power supply?  or does i need usb power? can you use different usb ports?