[00:13] <keithzg> lwizardl: Yeah it's pretty snazzy, although I'm not sure if you're looking into purely the audio chat portion of Discord or into the more chat-channel nature, which is more what Matrix does, with both web and native clients; you can also do voice communication between users but I've never actually tried it. They have a repo though and it's *super* easy to set up on an Ubuntu server, so it's worth trying it out!
[00:21] <lwizardl> keithzg, I have never used discord but someone told me you can share files, chat, etc. Sort of like how irc does also. but in a single setup and i wan to try and get a similar setup
[00:22] <keithzg> lwizardl: Ah, yeah Matrix, especially the Riot.im clients for it, can let you do all precisely that. It's very much designed as a more contemporary take on IRC.
[00:26] <lwizardl> awesome thanks for the info :)
[00:30] <keithzg> lwizardl: No problem :)
[02:54] <H1d3> anyone here
[02:57] <keithzg> Nope
[02:57]  * keithzg calls it a day, puts on his coat, heads home
[03:00] <Neo4> I installed LAMP and have used this code https://hastebin.com/quzaqebugo.php
[03:01] <Neo4> and have got message error is not send
[03:01] <Neo4> might I install mail server?
[03:14] <Pinkamena_D> Hello. I have a lubuntu headless machine. In /etc/network/interfaces I specify the config. The ip address and network are used, but the dns-nameservers line is not propogated to the resolveconf file, so I end up manually overwriting it at every boot. Any common reason the dns-nameservers line would be ignored?
[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:04] <lordievader> Pinkamena_D: What is it pointing towards, before you edit it?
[13:20] <ahasenack> rbasak: is there a tool to check a package's Depends (or Build-depends) and tell from which pocket they come from?
[13:20] <ahasenack> case in point is I want to check the dependencies of a main package and make sure none come from non-main
[13:33] <mdeslaur> ahasenack: check-mir
[13:34] <ahasenack> oh, convenient, thx
[13:34] <mdeslaur> yw
[13:37] <rbasak> ahasenack: yeah, check-mir is the best tool we have. Note though that it doesn't always give you a perfect answer.
[13:39] <ahasenack> I found a build dep on python-distutils-extra which is in universe, for a main package
[13:39] <ahasenack> yet the package is in the archive
[13:39] <ahasenack> is that an exception?
[13:39] <ahasenack> case is landscape-client. Check xenial, for example
[13:40] <ahasenack> python-distutils-extra was in main in the trusty days
[13:43]  * ahasenack reads https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2016-April/001179.html
[15:40] <rbasak> ahasenack: how do you feel about bug 1717040 currently, given my comment 30 and Yann's reply?
[15:40] <ahasenack> I was going to ask you the same :)
[15:41] <rbasak> I'm not comfortable accepting an SRU that we know will break user behaviour (admittedly the number of users is low but unknown, may be nonzero) when I know there's a way round it and nobody else has an opinion.
[15:41] <ahasenack> then so be it
[15:42] <ahasenack> we version the dev package
[15:44] <rbasak> Might be worth checking with someone that the Conflicts will work correctly on upgrade.
[15:44] <rbasak> I wonder if there should be a Replaces somewhere for example.
[15:45] <ahasenack> I will need assistance from somebody for that
[15:45] <rbasak> https://wiki.debian.org/PackageTransition may be relevant
[15:46] <ahasenack> relevant yes, trivial not
[15:46] <rbasak> Case #2 perhaps?
[15:46] <ahasenack> not that simple, I looked at other similar cases
[15:47] <ahasenack> there is a virtual "libfoo-dev" provides
[15:47] <ahasenack> involved
[15:47] <ahasenack> meaning the default dev pkg
[15:47] <ahasenack> there is definitely a pattern to follow
[15:47] <ahasenack> I just need to know what is a good package to look at
[15:47] <rbasak> Perhaps ask infinity for help on this one
[15:48] <rbasak> And also, if thinks this is unnecessary, then I'll trust his judgement :)
[16:13] <ahasenack> rbasak: should we also provide a zstd1 (with soname) package for the cli linked against the new lib?
[16:13] <ahasenack> otherwise, if you have zstd (the 0.5 cli) installed, and upgrade, it will pull in libzstd1 (1.x) with the new zstd 1.x package
[16:13] <ahasenack> but leave libzstd (assumed soname 0) and respetive -dev (if installed) alone
[16:27] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't follow your question. I'd expect the SRU to ship a libzstd1 only. libzstd0 would still be shipped in the release pocket. Users could end up with both co-installed if they need.
[16:27] <rbasak> The new zstd CLI would depend on libzstd1
[16:30] <nacc> (and would need to manually remove it, i believe, if they no longer wanted it)
[16:30] <nacc> (the *zstd0 packages)
[16:30] <nacc> rbasak: you around still?
[16:31] <rbasak> nacc: yes
[16:39] <nacc> rbasak: mind joining the standup HO briefly?
[16:42] <rbasak> nacc: omw
[17:54] <kneeki> If I want to set up a subdomain like: api.foo.bar.com, would I use a CNAME record? api > CNAME > foo.bar.com
[18:05] <kneeki> Nevermind, I got it. * > CNAME > foo.bar.com
[18:29] <ahasenack> rbasak: question was about the zstd cli, if we should ship one in a package named zstd1 which would either conflict or be co-locatable with zstd
[18:29] <ahasenack> but given the new cli can handle files produced by the old library, I think no need for a zstd1 (separate) package, and just let zstd 0.5 upgrade to zstd 1.x
[18:57] <rbasak> ahasenack: I assumed the latter.
[18:57] <rbasak> No need to ship two zstd binaries, AIUI.
[18:58] <ahasenack> sounds good
[19:52] <ahasenack> hm, I copied ~/.gnupg to a container I have running (lxd), but gpg --list-keys on the container shows no output, as if there were no keys
[19:53] <ahasenack> I checked ~/.gnupg/*.conf files, nothing obvious
[19:53] <ahasenack> any idea what could be wrong?
[19:53] <ahasenack> I'm at the strace level now
[19:53] <ahasenack> I can see it opening several files in ~/.gnupg inside the container, but that's it, no output from the tool
[19:56] <ahasenack> both the host and the container are the same ubuntu release (artful)
[19:57] <ahasenack> ok, worked now
[19:57] <ahasenack> cosmic rays for sure
[20:02] <nacc> ahasenack: did you restart teh agent?
[20:02] <nacc> ahasenack: or perhaps sighup or something
[20:03] <ahasenack> there was no agent inside the container
[20:03] <nacc> ahasenack: what os was the container?
[20:03] <ahasenack> or shouldn't be, at least
[20:03] <ahasenack> artful too
[20:03] <ahasenack> I actually tried starting one
[20:04] <nacc> ahasenack: hrm, if it's gpg2 (which i think artfull was), there's always an agent
[20:04] <nacc> ahasenack: or were you specifically invoking gpg1?
[20:04] <ahasenack> then maybe I inadvertently restarted it when I tried to start a new one
[20:04] <ahasenack> no, just "gpg"
[20:04] <ahasenack> also removed "use-agent" from the conf file in ~/.gnupg at some point
[20:04] <nacc> yeah, that's gpg2 in artful
[20:05] <nacc> ahasenack: per `man gpg2`, that has no effect any longer :)
[20:05] <nacc> "gpg always requires the agent"
[20:05] <nacc> ahasenack: that optionn, that is
[20:05] <ahasenack> ok
[20:05] <nacc> i spent some time dealing with this when we had it in the snap before
[20:06] <nacc> yeah looks like zesty+ is gpg2 by default
[20:55] <nacc> xnox: is there a way with sysv to say that if corosync starts that it should start pacemaker, if pacemaker is available? The phrasing of "Should-Start" is close, but then I think it's semantics don't make a ton of sense (or I misunderstand them)
[20:56] <xnox> nacc, i do not speak sysv init... my first linux machine ran upstart; my first unix machine ran launchd
[20:56] <nacc> xnox: ok :/
[20:56] <xnox> maybe slangasek can help, but he is not on this channel.
[20:56] <xnox> try on #ubuntu-devel
[20:56] <nacc> xnox: we could switch the packages to upstart, but that's a bigger SRU, of course
[20:56] <nacc> xnox: ack
[22:04] <micalexander> I have a newly installed version of ubuntu 16.0.4 installed on a 2010 imac in efforts to get better at sever administration, lol, however I can not seem to be able to gain access to it via ssh on my local network. I have installed openssh-server and openssh-client, allowed port 22 with ufw and iptables and still nothing. It just hangs on ssh. Is there something obvious that I am missing?
[22:04] <mason> micalexander: Test basic networking before you start using fancier things.
[22:04] <mason> Can you ping it? Can you telnet to port 22 and see a listener?
[22:05] <mason> From the console, make sure your network is configured properly.
[22:05] <micalexander> mason: yes I can ping it
[22:05] <Ussat> is it in a VM or direct hardware ?
[22:05] <micalexander> direct
[22:05] <mason> It's a virtual 2010 imac. :P
[22:07] <micalexander> mason:  " From the console, make sure your network is configured properly."
[22:07] <mason> More or less, yes. :)
[22:07] <micalexander> I can ping it but telneting it seems to hang
[22:07] <mason> So, can you ping out from it?
[22:08] <micalexander> you mean telnet from another computer on the same network right?
[22:08] <mason> Yes.
[22:08] <micalexander> wait not out from it
[22:08] <micalexander> let me try
[22:08] <Ussat> does it have a IP ?
[22:08] <Ussat> ifconfig
[22:08] <mason> If you can ping, then the next thing is, is the service you want running? Is it holding a port listener? Is there firewalling blocking you?
[22:09] <mason> If you set it up to learn, this is the perfect sort of problem to have. :)
[22:10] <micalexander> right!
[22:10] <micalexander> I can ping a web address
[22:11] <mason> That's useful then. So, you want ssh - is it installed? Is it running?
[22:11] <micalexander> and nstat seems to show port 22
[22:11] <mason> ps axuww | grep ssh
[22:11] <micalexander> yes
[22:11] <mason> Do you have telnet installed on it? Can you telnet localhost 22 ?
[22:11] <mason> Also, a random note, wifi can be flaky - you might have a happier time, especially on Mac hardware, if you're plugged in.
[22:12] <mason> I installed on a macboot5,1 the other day, and wireless performance is disappointingly spotty.
[22:12] <micalexander> I am plugged in
[22:12] <mason> good
[22:14] <micalexander> looks like its connected to 22. said connecting and just hanging out there
[22:14] <Ussat> reverse dns
[22:14] <mason> micalexander: But if nothing answers that's no good. You should see "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2" or similar.
[22:15] <mason> from your telnet localhost 22
[22:15] <micalexander> yes
[22:15] <micalexander> that is what I see
[22:15] <micalexander> also...
[22:15] <mason> Ah, good.
[22:16] <micalexander> I can not seem to ping my local ip of my macbook from it. Is that a problem? Seems li it,
[22:16] <micalexander> like
[22:16] <mason> micalexander: So, if you can ping out but not ping yourself, that's probably some sort of issue. I'd make sure you don't have firewall rules next.
[22:17] <mason> sudo iptables -n --list
[22:18] <mason> But with that I have to take off. You're making progress though. I'll check back later.
[22:21] <micalexander> iptables show 22
[23:03] <micalexander> K, so it was because I was not on the wifi 5g connection on the computer I was sshing from.


[07:45] <foobarry> so drenched
[07:46] <zmoylan-pi> twas a smidge damp yesterday, looks dry today...
[07:47] <foobarry> unbrella and shoe malfunction
[07:48] <zmoylan-pi> ick... damp feet... not a pleasent way to work...
[08:10] <dogmatic69> So this morning my average load is even higher...
[08:11] <dogmatic69> 09:10:24 up 3 days, 16:35,  4 users,  load average: 121.41, 113.35, 114.84
[08:11] <diplo> What are you doing dogmatic69 !
[08:11] <dogmatic69> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[08:11] <dogmatic69> it must be some crazy docker thing
[08:12] <diplo> I'd say the machine must be crawling
[08:15] <dogmatic69> the fact that I can run uptime and paste it here says otherwise
[08:15] <dogmatic69> busy installing a benchmark to see how it does
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:30] <dogmatic69> restarted the docker service and its all back to normal
[08:32] <knightwise> morning guyz
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning
[08:36] <foobarry> if a machine is blocked on i/o it might have a load of running processes that are blocked, but cpu might still be low
[08:42] <SuperMatt> yeah, it could very well be disk
[08:42] <SuperMatt> Are any of the processes using swap?
[09:11] <dogmatic69> never checked and as its calm now I doubt it would show
[09:25] <paulnoise> good morning all, i have an irritation/problem with volume control in ubuntu studio.  I was hoping someone could help with
[09:31] <paulnoise> i have uploaded the problem via screenshots here http://imgur.com/gallery/ySmOZ
[09:31] <paulnoise> the white and blue panel sits over the volume slider stopping me adjusting volume, any ideas?
[09:33] <paulnoise> i have to then click the panel away. it appears on the screen as soon as i adjust the volume
[09:39] <paulnoise> any help would be appreciated
[10:14] <need-parents-muk> anyone in london uk want to chat
[10:45] <Oli> Has autumn started or is spring back?
[10:51] <popey> :)
[10:52] <diddledan> morning
[13:42] <foobarry> dogmatic69: next tiem, run top and press H for threads
[13:44] <dogmatic69> whats that show?
[13:44]  * dogmatic69 uses htop mostly
[14:10] <diplo> Also iotop is a thing too
[14:15] <popey> ntop is quite nice
[14:57] <diddledan> all the tops
[15:16] <Seeker`> mmmbop would be better
[16:01] <diddledan> Hansen FTW?
[16:01] <diddledan> Methinks not :-p
[16:16] <diddledan> ‘Tis widdlin’ down outside
[16:31] <diddledan> Fun https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/117693/kaspersky-files-antitrust-complaints-microsoft-europe
[16:46] <diddledan> The new iOS is fun: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LWmQBWj3/1496767584.JPG
[16:48] <diddledan> Screenshot sharing doesn’t appear to work tho
[16:49] <diddledan> Basically I got PiP video AND side-by-side twitter with irc


[18:15] <metalbiker> man, i'm having the hardest time figuring out how to start on my very own wiki page. lol i'm such a newb.
[18:16] <metalbiker> if anybody can give me any pointers about where to start i'd appreciate it.
[22:54] <metalbiker> is anybody around?
[22:58] <metalbiker> hey phil, can you help me with something? i see you rejoined.
[23:22] <pleia2> a lot of folks are connected 24/7, so a re-join might just mean their client timed out and came back :)
[23:49] <metalbiker> pleia2, hey, ok, that's cool. i didn't know if anyone else was on or not since I hadn't heard from anyone yet and i saw his reconnect so i thought he was the only one here. now i know. :D