[12:25] <comhack> crimsun  thanks works perfectly now
[12:25] <joshua_> Jonathan: Yes, they survived a cold boot - essentially they were twiddling data in the system EEPROM that was read by the system ROMs at boot time which was used to configure the audio adapter (this is essentially what happened, I don't know the details).  So the settings persisted across power cycles.
[12:25] <crimsun> comhack: np.
[12:25] <hutre> wouldn't testing the kernel on 10 machines have revealed the bug? seems like it's quite common.
[12:25] <joshua_> that's idiotic. I think sonypi does the same thing :X
[12:25] <crimsun> hutre: buy the hardware, send to the kernel team.
[12:26] <crimsun> hutre: if you think Canonical pays the core kernel team to randomly purchase every existing new hardware, you'd be mistaken.
[12:26] <acuster> anyone have news on the network manager front?
[12:26] <acuster> and thanks to the team for the -15 fix
[12:26] <crimsun> acuster: what's the n-m issue?
[12:26] <anto> uhm, the new kernel updates (14,15) don't work for me i cannot even start my computer..
[12:26] <crimsun> anto: -15.25 is building.
[12:27] <acuster> for the last week or so n-m doesn't see the wireless card
[12:27] <anto> crimsun: what do you mean?
[12:27] <acuster> maybe less than a week
[12:27] <jmichaelx> crimsun: would it be wise to wait a little while longer before updating/upgrading?
[12:27] <acuster> it offers to let me configure manually, but it doesn't scan the air for networks, nor see that I am indeed connected
[12:27] <crimsun> jmichaelx: if you're unsure, just wait for RC.
[12:27] <anto> crimsun, what do you mean?
[12:28] <crimsun> acuster: that issue should already be fixed.
[12:28] <joshua_> anto: Back off to the old kernel in the mean time
[12:28] <acuster> worked fine with -13 and early -14 kernels
[12:28] <joshua_> the fix is being built right now
[12:28] <acuster> crimsun, okay thanks
[12:28] <anto> joshuea, thats the problem i can't i'm geting some fsck error while loading harddrive
[12:28] <joshua_> you should be able to choose an old kernel in the GRUB menu
[12:28] <anto> thats what i'm trying to do...
[12:28] <crimsun> anto: I mean there's a workaround in the kernel source that's being compiled on the buildds right now [for i386. amd64, sparc, and ppc are already built]
[12:29] <joshua_> i.e., you should not need to boot the kernel to get access to GRUB
[12:29] <anto> I KNOW
[12:29] <anto> but i still get a FSCK when trying to load a older kernel
[12:29] <crimsun> anto: are we supposed to read your mind about the error messages?
[12:29] <joshua_> arejay: !, ipw2200 supports master mode / packet injection?
[12:29] <joshua_> anto: you will need to be a little more verbose.
[12:29] <crimsun> anto: pastebin; take a digital photo; do /something/ to help diagnose.
[12:30] <arejay> joshua_, grab the aircrack-ng svn and in the patches directory there are patches for both the devices i just mentioned
[12:30] <joshua_> if you have a darkroom, a film photo and a scanner will also be acceptible
[12:30] <anto> gonna try somthing
[12:30] <DanaG> What's the big deal about the binary daemon?
[12:30] <joshua_> arejay: excellent. I will have to try that.
[12:30] <arejay> joshua_, ipw2200 creates a rtap0 interface -- you're only allowed todo arp injection (which works fine for me)
[12:31] <AdministratorX> Is there a version of Automatix for Feisty?
[12:31] <arejay> AdministratorX, yes.
[12:31] <jmichaelx> ok, gonna try -15
[12:31] <jmichaelx> brb
[12:31] <hutre> crimsun: it just seems like it's happening for a lot of ppl. but i guess that's the point of beta testing :)
[12:31] <joshua_> hutre: Feisty Is Not For Production Systems (tm)
[12:32] <joshua_> (yet)
[12:32] <crimsun> hutre: a lot of people have brand new hardware. The core kernel team doesn't have access to every single new SATA controller and thus can't predict the future. :)
[12:32] <AdministratorX> Do you have the URL link? I could not locate it on their website.
[12:32] <awk> is the final release date still set to be 19.4. ? even if the rc deadline was not met?
[12:32] <AdministratorX> Only saw Dapper and Edgy
[12:32] <joshua_> http://www.google.com/search?q=automatix+feisty
[12:32] <crimsun> awk: depends on the progress of RC.
[12:32] <AdministratorX> thanks
[12:33] <awk> crimsun> yeah, but like, does rc have to be out for one week and only after then final is possible?
[12:33] <crimsun> awk: see above. It depends on the progress of RC.
[12:33] <awk> or better yet.. where can i find discussion on topics like these?
[12:33] <AdministratorX> Is there a reason you don't suggest it?
[12:33] <crdlb> because it's so easy to do that stuff the "right way"
[12:34] <DanaG> It tramples on your sources.
[12:34] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[12:34] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:34] <AdministratorX> I've good results so far.
[12:36] <DanaG> bwarharhar:
[12:36] <DanaG> http://www.robertwechsler.com/images/applied_geometry.jpg
[12:37] <joshua_> somebody had a little too much time
[12:37] <jmichaelx> ok, boys... -15 is working fine for me on this machine so far
[12:38] <N6REJ> well lots of updates but still broken kernel package
[12:38] <TheVault> I need some quick help. How can I make it where my upper left and right areas on my touchpad take me forward or backwards in the browser?
[12:39] <crimsun> N6REJ: wait for -15.25.
[12:39] <TheVault> or forward and back all together in any application
[12:39] <N6REJ> crimsun: cc
[12:39] <jmichaelx> it is interesting how a package/kernel may be broken on one machine, but function fine on another....
[12:40] <TheVault> Can someone please help me out right quick?
[12:40] <N6REJ> crimsun: its trying to install 20-14
[12:41] <lupine_85> TheVault: xmodmap might do what you need
[12:41] <lupine_85> but then again, it might not
[12:42] <TheVault> lupine_85: Basically, I just wanna be able to use my upper right and left portions of my touchpad to go forward & back in the browser(since I use it more there). I finally fixed the touchpad problem when typing though, now I just need to fix this and then I'm happy
[12:43] <crimsun> TheVault: what touchpad problem while typing?
[12:43] <lupine_85> the question is whether those upper portions have a keycode or not...
[12:43] <TheVault> crimsun: That when i was typing, I would accidently touch my touchpad and then the cursor would go someplace else and screw up my typing
[12:44] <TheVault> lupine_85: Yeah good point
[12:44] <DanaG> Oh, on that site, go up a level.
[12:44] <DanaG> The one with the shopping cards.
[12:44] <lupine_85> xev will be able to tell you
[12:44] <TheVault> xev had a problem like mine?
[12:44] <gils> good evening
[12:45] <N6REJ> what natively plays .flv files?
[12:45] <lupine_85> no, xev is a program
[12:45] <lupine_85> N6REJ: mplayer
[12:45] <TheVault> VLC player plays FLV
[12:45] <N6REJ> k ty
[12:45] <N6REJ> well which is better?
[12:45] <lupine_85> run it in a terminal, then hit the appropriate areas on the touchpad and see if it tells you about a keycode
[12:45] <DanaG> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dogseat/168281281/in/pool-mondobizarro/
[12:45] <lupine_85> mplayer of course :D
[12:45] <TheVault> Donno, I use VLC player more
[12:45] <Kaplan__> when are the restricted modules coming out for the new kernel???
[12:45] <gils> what is the last word on the kernel fiixes.???  is there a reason that i am still seeing the old kernel for upgrade???
[12:46] <Kaplan__> when are the restricted modules coming out for the new kernel???
[12:46] <TheVault> lupine_85: Type what in the terminal to see the keycode?
[12:47] <lupine_85> xev
[12:47] <TheVault> oh, i thought that was a person, my bad
[12:47] <TheVault> Linux newb here
[12:47] <lupine_85> then any time you pass input to the server, it'll post all the relevent info to the terminal
[12:47] <DanaG> Odd: http://www.robertwechsler.com/images/fixedwingaircraft.jpg
[12:47] <SuperTeece> so I should not install the updates that came down today?
[12:47] <Kaplan__> don't know
[12:47] <Kaplan__> i installed them
[12:48] <SuperTeece> I see the breakage topic
[12:48] <TheVault> lupin_85: Alright, lemme give it a whirl
[12:48] <awk> SuperTeece> actually they may work for you if i understand correctly
[12:48] <Kaplan__> yep
[12:48] <Kaplan__> they might work
[12:49] <Kaplan__> but no restricted modules have come out yet
[12:49] <awk> SuperTeece> it's probably something like ubuntu genuine advantage :)
[12:49] <Kaplan__> LOL
[12:49] <SuperTeece> geez, lol
[12:49] <Kaplan__> no stuff like that here
[12:49] <awk> :))
[12:49] <awk> j/k
[12:49] <crimsun> Kaplan__: we won't build l-r-m until we're sure 15.25 fixes the issues.
[12:50] <Kaplan__> great, i didn't know about that
[12:50] <N6REJ> crimsun: did you c my note about adept is trying to install 14.20?
[12:50] <awk> how long does it take to distribute updates across the mirrors?
[12:50] <Kaplan__> then people can install the new kernel and use the last one
[12:50] <TheVault> lupine_85: Its showing stuff when I hit the top two corners but I don't understand how to read the output in the terminal
[12:50] <crimsun> N6REJ: no.
[12:50] <Kaplan__> i installed -15 but currently i'm using -14
[12:50] <crimsun> awk: depends on the mirror's rsync policy.
[12:50] <trevbork> hey, whats a production system.
[12:50] <N6REJ> crimsun: yeah, I don't know why its still trying to do 14
[12:51] <crimsun> N6REJ: are you using archive.ubuntu.com as your apt source?
[12:51] <N6REJ> crimsun: let me double check but I believe so.
[12:51] <awk> I thought i should use a local mirror to ease the stress off the main sites
[12:52] <N6REJ> crimsun: oh this is interesting, i'm installing mplayer and it says its "setting up 15.20"  So why should 14.20 be doing anything!.... weird.  No, its us.archive
[12:53] <crimsun> N6REJ: us.archive is identical to archive
[12:53] <crimsun> at least currently.
[12:54] <N6REJ> crimsun: strange then.
[12:54] <crimsun> and 15.24 is definitely available on archive.
[12:54] <N6REJ> so I wonder why its trying to update 14.20?
[12:55] <thesilentw> crimsun, i can boot 12 on diferent grub setting, but, i get no x server, well.. i get, but it returns error, is that due to the kernel update or something else?
[12:55] <crimsun> thesilentw: lacks relevant troubleshooting information.
[12:55] <thesilentw> basically, after this morning update, 14 doesnt boot, 12 gives x server error
[12:56] <N6REJ> crimsun: I think I see why.. .both 14 and 15 are installed.  Should I remove 14?
[12:56] <xtknight> if i already had 20-14.23 installed am i doomed?
[12:56] <xtknight> which ver# should i be watching out for?
[12:56] <thesilentw> x server has links to kernel ? or version x or y of x server can work with kernel 12 or 15 does it matter ?
[12:57] <xopher> ah, good that I checked the channel before I booted
[12:57] <crimsun> N6REJ: you're probably being prompted for 14.22->14.23
[12:57] <N6REJ> crimsun: how can I check details?
[12:57] <crimsun> rmation.
[12:57] <crimsun> thesilentw: still lacking relevant troubleshooting information.
[12:57] <crimsun> N6REJ: apt-cache policy
[12:58] <N6REJ> yep, you got it, it has 14.22 in and wants to install 14.23
[12:58] <awk> The fix is out 20.15 everything working great again.
[12:58] <awk> is this true?
[12:58] <crimsun> awk: no
[12:58] <crimsun> patently false
[12:58] <awk> it's on the forums
[12:58] <awk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408557&page=2
[12:58] <crimsun> 15.25's not available for every arch
[12:59] <crimsun> that poster booted 15.24
[12:59] <tehkain> wow well 15.24 isnt working either
[12:59] <awk> probably
[12:59] <crimsun> tehkain: read the fine topic.
[12:59] <tehkain> Crimsun, thank yah
[01:00] <N6REJ> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15447/
[01:00] <crimsun> N6REJ: that's useless.
[01:01] <N6REJ> crimsun: thats the output of apt-cache policy
[01:01] <jmichaelx> now if i could only figure out how to install democracyplayer in feisty and get it to work...
[01:01] <crimsun> N6REJ: you really need to check apt-cache policy linux-image-`uname -r`
[01:02] <crimsun> jmichaelx: a boatload of dbus/api issues at play there.
[01:02] <N6REJ> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15448/
[01:02] <crimsun> N6REJ: I don't need to see that; I already know that. :)
[01:02] <jmichaelx> crimsun: yep..... i am sure it will be available soon.... funny thing is that i have it working on one feisty machine, but cannot even manage to install it on this one
[01:03] <N6REJ> crimsun: LOL, sorry... should I just uninstall 14.20?
[01:03] <crimsun> N6REJ: I wouldn't uninstall anything that works right now.
[01:03] <N6REJ> crimsun: cc
[01:03] <jmichaelx> u said that wrong.. democracyplayer is available, but not installable due to dependency issues
[01:03] <jmichaelx> i said that wrong*
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> "unable to find swap space signature"
[01:05] <jmichaelx> transferring music to my video ipod using amarok finally works for me now (in feisty)  :-D
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> weird how hibernate screws swap up
[01:05] <r00tintheb0x> cool jmichaelx :)
[01:06] <jmichaelx> itunes has been basically the last windows app that has kept requiring me to boot into windows once every few weeks... just to add my newer music to my ipod
[01:07] <nixternal> crimsun: I don't have issues, I just want to know if it is safe to get the -15 updates, or leave them alone
[01:07] <nixternal> I never did the update to get the broken kernels
[01:07] <crimsun> nixternal: wait for 15.25 before you dist-upgrade.
[01:08] <nixternal> ahhh, gotcha
[01:13] <noisymouse> Since I get a 403 error for the kernel image that's now out of date, should I tell synaptic to remove the generic 2.6.20-14 kernel and its modules?
[01:13] <MattJ> Does anyone here have a PCI ATI Radeon, and use the fglrx drivers in Feisty?
[01:13] <ghostdog> is there a bug on feisty's ivtv driver?
[01:13] <crimsun> noisymouse: wait for 15.25 and its l-r-m to become available.
[01:13] <ghostdog> cannot make ivtv work
[01:14] <ghostdog> ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[01:14] <ghostdog> ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough
[01:14] <ghostdog> what setting do I need to adjust?
[01:14] <noisymouse> crimsum: I didn't quite understand that.
[01:14] <ghostdog> it is a PVR-150
[01:16] <noisymouse> crimsun: I should just wait for now?
[01:17] <finalbeta_> ghostdog: I loved the movie about you dude.
[01:17] <ghostdog> yeah me too xD
[01:19] <N6REJ> jmichaelx: do you have a work around for Itunes yet?  I miss my itunes
[01:19] <ghostdog> amarok rulz
[01:19] <ghostdog> a buck for a song is theft
[01:19] <choudesh> did the keys change for the feisty repos?
[01:20] <N6REJ> ghostdog: some of the newer cd's in the store are going for $20+
[01:20] <ghostdog> they used to be 12
[01:20] <ghostdog> until people decided to pay more because downloading is cool
[01:20] <N6REJ> ghostdog: your young, they used to be $5-6 LOL  I've seen a few cd's recently over $28
[01:21] <ghostdog> imagine
[01:21] <ghostdog> you download the songs, you buy the cd, you pay the bandwidth
[01:21] <N6REJ> yeah, and only 8 or 9 songs on them ... its nuts!  We used to get 10-15 for $6
[01:21] <ghostdog> whose making all the money?
[01:21] <N6REJ> LOL
[01:21] <ghostdog> shi*
[01:21] <ghostdog> 10 bucks a month all you can download
[01:22] <ghostdog> like a buffet xD
[01:22] <ghostdog> buffe*
[01:22] <magic_ninja> thats the beauty of filesharing
[01:22] <magic_ninja> they are trying to regulate the internet for everything, just like everything else in the rest of the world, america wants total control
[01:22] <ghostdog> can't share anything if the the ISP are colluted
[01:23] <magic_ninja> i am an american, proud of it, and i will die to defend it, but some of the things the bush administration has done are pathetic
[01:23] <tehkain> ah the good ole days when artist made money from touring and shows.
[01:23] <ghostdog> I think they still make money that way
[01:23] <choudesh> !offtopic
[01:23] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[01:23] <slackern> anyone remember the name of the application that lets you browse themes for gnome and install them?
[01:24] <ghostdog> they never made any fortune from selling their cd's
[01:24] <ghostdog> xD
[01:24] <ghostdog> ubotu, answer my question then
[01:24] <ghostdog> xD
[01:24] <Stormx2> !bot | ghostdog
[01:24] <ubotu> ghostdog: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:24] <ghostdog> I know
[01:24] <dogmatism> slackern: i think thats the gnome-art package
[01:25] <slackern> dogmatism, ahh ok, i remember i had something that showed previews from a theme site and let me download and install with that one
[01:26] <slackern> dogmatism, ahh that looks like the one, thanks.
[01:26] <dogmatism> you're welcome.
[01:27] <soccio> Hi gals and guys
[01:27] <soccio> is there anybody who could help me with a strange behaviour in feisty about internet connection?
[01:28] <choudesh> soccio, whats seems to be the issue?
[01:28] <|NewUser|> Want to create ircd server on my local machine is there any help?
[01:28] <choudesh> soccio, and in the future....
[01:28] <choudesh> !ask | soccio
[01:28] <ubotu> soccio: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:29] <soccio> Well: using the live Feisty CD I can reach only some website. For example I can easily reach Google, but I cannot reach Flickr.
[01:29] <soccio> I think it is related to some networking parameters that is not so compatible with my broadband connection
[01:30] <choudesh> soccio, please turn ipv6 off in firefox
[01:30] <choudesh> I'll brb. time-bug
[01:31] <poningru> soccio: do you know how to do that?
[01:31] <soccio> choudesh: I also have problem using apt. I cannot reach any server
[01:31] <soccio> yes I know..., poningru... but I think it is some lower level problem... not only firefox.
[01:31] <poningru> turn off ipv6 in ubuntu then
[01:31] <soccio> for example, pinging flickr also doesn't work
[01:32] <shasylap> is there some way for me to disable the network manager applet thing?, it keeps disconnecting me from my network and trying to connect to other ones
[01:32] <poningru> shasylap: yeah go to static config
[01:32] <soccio> poningru: how to tell feisty not to use ipv6 at all?
[01:32] <shasylap> thanks poningru i'll try that
[01:32] <choudesh> ok  - sorry about that
[01:33] <choudesh> soccio, did you turn ipv6 off?
[01:33] <spikeb> beh, ipv6 shoudlnt be enabled by default
[01:33] <N6REJ> choudesh: how do you make sure its off?
[01:34] <choudesh> N6REJ, about:config
[01:34] <choudesh> the key is
[01:34] <choudesh> network.dns.disableIPv6
[01:34] <choudesh> set that to true
[01:34] <choudesh> if not already
[01:34] <soccio> choudesh: my problem is not only related to firefox. Even the ping has problem.
[01:35] <Answer> xorg.conf says 1400x1050 but the gui screen resolution says 1280x1024.  How can I tell what resolution i'm actually running?
[01:35] <choudesh> soccio, o - you said website. ;-)
[01:35] <N6REJ> thanks that will help immensly!
[01:35] <choudesh> !info 915resolution | Answer
[01:35] <ubotu> answer: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:35] <N6REJ> ok gotta run time for dinner wife says.
[01:35] <choudesh> ubotu, your slow. ;-)
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about your slow. ;-) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <Stormx2> >_< I *still* can't see -15!
[01:35] <soccio> choudesh: yes, but I also can ping a website...
[01:36] <choudesh> !info 915resolution feisty | Answer
[01:36] <ubotu> answer: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:36] <soccio> in this case I cannot...
[01:37] <chad_> has anyone received the latest kernel update: 2.6.20-15.25 ?? I still do not have this update.
[01:37] <choudesh> soccio, are your currently on the liveCD?
[01:37] <soweto76> Answer,  xdpyinfo | grep dimension
[01:37] <choudesh> !info kernel feisty | chad_
[01:37] <ubotu> chad_: Package kernel does not exist in feisty
[01:37] <choudesh> !info kernel-2.6.20-15.25 feisty | chad_
[01:37] <ubotu> chad_: Package kernel-2.6.20-15.25 does not exist in feisty
[01:37] <soccio> No, now I'm using edgy, but I have the other computer with feisty
[01:38] <chad_> well, I am speaking of the linux-image-2.6.20-15.25
[01:38] <choudesh> soccio, can you hit the ubuntu servers....irc...
[01:38] <choudesh> chad_, yea. I was looking for the proper name
[01:38] <choudesh> chad_, ubotu doesn't support wildcards. ;-)
[01:38] <soccio> choudesh: let me try...
[01:39] <chad_> oh, I didn't know that was a bot ;)
[01:39] <andre_pl> whats the deal with this 403?  shouldn't something that simple be corrected in about the same time it takes to set the channel topic? lol.. its been missing since this morning.
[01:39] <squire> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[01:40] <choudesh> chad_, yea. -15 is in the repos, not sure about -15.25
[01:40] <choudesh> andre_pl, what 403?
[01:40] <chad_> I am having problems booting with the -14 and -15 kernel is why I am asking
[01:40] <squire> gutsy gibbon!
[01:40] <slackern> I just installed 2.6.20-15.24
[01:40] <andre_pl> choudesh: the one mentioned in the topic :P  i'm getting a 403 error trying to updatee the latest kernel image since this morning
[01:40] <chad_> I am hoping the .25 version fixed the boot problem for me, but I still don't see the update.
[01:41] <AmyRose> hmm... 2.6.20-15.24 fixed everything for me
[01:41] <andre_pl> actually its linux-headers-generic.
[01:41] <macpo3> .24 seems to have fixed it here, older hardware
[01:41] <chad_> It didn't fix it for me :(
[01:41] <chad_> I am forced to use the -12 kernel
[01:41] <AmyRose> chad_: Really? -13 worked for me
[01:41] <choudesh> Linux cactus 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP
[01:42] <choudesh> 15 is working for me. ;-)
[01:42] <MattJ> Did I miss something?
[01:42] <MattJ> I've had no problem with Feisty
[01:42] <chad_> I never had the -13, I installed feisty yesterday, and it upgraed from -12 to -14
[01:43] <choudesh> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[01:43] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic does not exist in feisty
[01:43] <choudesh> hmm...
[01:43] <choudesh> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic feisty
[01:43] <andre_pl> i'm downloading it right now. in fact. it started immediately after -14 403'd
[01:44] <MattJ> Does anyone here have a PCI ATI Radeon, and use the fglrx drivers in Feisty?
[01:44] <Dekkard> i notice there is a new group of updates eh?
[01:44] <Dekkard> went fro 59 to 67
[01:44] <AmyRose> MattJ: Have you tried the open-source drivers?
[01:44] <choudesh> Dekkard, yea. seems some are still uploading
[01:44] <jhawk28> what repo should I use to get 2.6.20-15-generic feisty?
[01:45] <slackern> MattJ, Im using the restricted drivers right now, the version provided by the restricted manager
[01:45] <Dekkard> is it best advised to still wait?
[01:45] <jhawk28> !info linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic feisty
[01:45] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic does not exist in feisty
[01:45] <choudesh> jhawk28, ubotu is wrong. it is in the repos
[01:45] <slackern> se.archive.ubuntu.com i got 2.6.20-15 from here
[01:45] <jhawk28> its not downloading for me
[01:45] <choudesh> jhawk28, I believe it is currently propagating
[01:46] <jhawk28> ok
[01:46] <slackern> how do i show which version i got installed with apt?
[01:46] <choudesh> jhawk28, it is in the US repos
[01:46] <choudesh> slackern, apt-cache show package
[01:46] <jhawk28> thats the ones Im pointing to
[01:46] <Dekkard> update manager still shows <IP_ADDRESS>...... me is gonna wait
[01:46] <jhawk28> Im pointing to 2.6.20-14
[01:47] <MattJ> AmyRose: Which are the open-source?
[01:47] <choudesh> jhawk28, Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic 2.6.20-15.24 [23.8MB]
[01:47] <jmichaelx> are you using the .us servers?
[01:47] <chad_> There is supposedly a 2.6.20-15.25 version out, but I have the .24
[01:47] <jhawk28> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[01:47] <jmichaelx> i don't think .25 is out yet
[01:47] <choudesh> chad_, 15.25 isn't up yet.
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> What changes in 15.25?
[01:47] <chad_> hmm, many people on the forums say they have the .25
[01:47] <MattJ> AmyRose: I'm using the xorg-driver-fglrx, which is what the restricted drivers manager installs I believe
[01:47] <Dekkard> patience is a virtue
[01:47] <jmichaelx> jhawk28: get rid of the .us, and you may find the -15.24 kernel
[01:48] <soweto76> odd here,  after an update, apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic  lists the 20-15 but it does not install with an upgrade. ??
[01:48] <slackern> soweto76, tried dist-upgrade?
[01:48] <slackern> i had to do that to get a new kernel
[01:48] <soweto76> slackern, yep
[01:48] <chrisbudden14> anyone know where i can find out the status of a package build?
[01:49] <chrisbudden14> specifically the 8.35 fglrx driver
[01:49] <ZombiekE> Ubuntu's yesterday's update seemed to mess with my system. Now before I get to log in, I can see the mouse with the "waiting" cursor but the rest is black, what can I do?
[01:49] <choudesh> chrisbudden14, please contact the maintainer of that package
[01:49] <chrisbudden14> ok
[01:50] <MattJ> AmyRose: Does "Switch user" work for you?
[01:50] <choudesh> ZombiekE, please refer to the topic
[01:50] <choudesh> !topic | ZombiekE
[01:50] <ubotu> ZombiekE: Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:50] <soweto76> weird,  I can do a: sudo apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic  and it will install 20-15 ??
[01:50] <ZombiekE> thank you :)
[01:51] <poningru> ZombiekE: press ctrl+shift+f1 and you should be able to get tty1
[01:52] <transgress> okay so i have two harddrives.  i boot from the second one.  i can't see a way to tell grub that i want it on the second disk's mbr.  i set it to (hd0) in the advanced options in the install but it says it cannot find the files.  how can i make the grub files available to it?  it sees them at (hd0,5) which is from the install i had on the other drive...
[01:52] <soccio> choudesh: I tried some sites. I can easily reach youtube and all the google sites (blogger, etc.) but I cannot reach Flickr and even my own router web panel!
[01:52] <BluesKaj> anyone have DRI working on an ATI card , not beryl , just DRI
[01:53] <choudesh> soccio, then there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with feisty. please check your network
[01:53] <jepeltw> hello all, has anyone else noticed that after the system has been running for a while, the keyboards will become unresponsive? I have to press and hold a key for several seconds before it registers
[01:53] <AmyRose> MattJ: It did when I had a Radeon, yes, using the open-source drivers. But now I have nvidia because it's better on Linux :/
[01:53] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[01:53] <ZombiekE_> thanks choudesh :)
[01:53] <soweto76> well, it seems that linux-image-generic is not up to 20-15 yet.
[01:53] <soccio> choudesh: my network works very well as long I use edgy.
[01:54] <BluesKaj> nice for you AmyRose, but that doesn't help me much
[01:54] <soweto76> soccio, upgrades are not yet available
[01:54] <AmyRose> BluesKaj: Well, I'm just saying that the open-source drivers worked better for me
[01:54] <soccio> soweto76: upgrades to what?
[01:55] <choudesh|kernel> I will give you guys a link to -15.25 in a few minutes.
[01:55] <soweto76> soccio, sorry I did not mean to address you, beg pardon
[01:55] <transgress> is there a way from the livecd that i can install grub by hand?
[01:55] <chad_> ok, thanks choudesh
[01:55] <BluesKaj> yeah , I had it working on Edgy , but now I can't find the site with the instructions , due to kernel damage and a new install wiped out all my previous bookmarks etc
[01:55] <soccio> soweto76: nevermind
[01:56] <jtt> BluesKaj: get foxmarks never loose bookmarks again
[01:57] <andre_pl> did someone sabotage feisty?  it was working so well for like a month, now my wireless networking doesn't work, beryl doesn't work and my memory card reader doesn't work.
[01:57] <AmyRose> jtt: It's wiped out my bookmarks more than once :/
[01:57] <andre_pl> it went from best OS to Worst in about 2 days
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: foxmarks?
[01:57] <slackern> Run /home on a separate partition
[01:57] <AmyRose> jtt: Yes, Foxmarks
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: never had problem one with it
[01:57] <jtt> AmyRose: interesting
[01:57] <AmyRose> andre_pl: Such is life with open-source software, since it's a gift :P
[01:58] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[01:58] <andre_pl> AmyRose: I understand that things break, but this is crazy.
[01:58] <soweto76> Regarding  linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic:  linux-image-generic  is not yet updated for the 20-15 kernel -- upgrades won't work until that is completed.
[01:58] <AmyRose> andre_pl: They're working on it, relax...
[01:58] <matysek> at me everything works... but wifi still not :D
[01:58] <jtt> transgress: yes theres is a way but i cant think of it right now
[01:59] <AmyRose> My wifi is working just fine :S
[01:59] <matysek> lucky person you are
[01:59] <matysek> how i want to use my wifi
[01:59] <AmyRose> matysek: I had problems with the new kernel last night too
[01:59] <jtt> AmyRose: atheros?
[01:59] <matysek> i hate my LAN cabel
[01:59] <andre_pl> My wifi worked out of the box with feisty, it was the most impressive feature and definitely the reason i upgraded.. but it broke a coule days ago. network manager doesn't even show a wireless connection, but restricted manager says the modules are loaded.
[01:59] <AmyRose> jtt: Yes
[02:00] <AmyRose> andre_pl: If you want reliability, use Edgy for now.
[02:00] <mcphail> andre_pl: same here
[02:00] <AmyRose> Or Dapper
[02:00] <matysek> AmyRose: every1 had the same problem... but my wifi started to work last days... only thing is to set it correctly. it still cannot connect
[02:00] <jepeltw> I take it then that no one else has had keyboard breakage?
[02:00] <andre_pl> jepeltw: what kind of breakage?
[02:01] <andre_pl> jepeltw: twice in the past month or so i've booted up my laptop to find the touchapd and keyboard completely useless.
[02:01] <andre_pl> rebooting fixed it... i blamed the hardware.
[02:01] <jepeltw> andre_pl, this started today, after I ran dist-upgrade (I think) after the system has been on for a while, the keyboard stops responding normally and only responds when I press and hold a key for several seconds. When I reboot, at the very end when all processes are stopped, it worked again
[02:01] <jepeltw> andre_pl, my hardware has done that before, but never twice in one day
[02:02] <jepeltw> and since I'm running beta software and just updated...
[02:02] <AmyRose> matysek: Like the topic says--don't use Feisty until it's released if you want stability.
[02:02] <matysek> AmyRose: ic
[02:02] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, my wifi is broken as well...when this kernel issue gets fixed maybe that will put it back in place.
[02:03] <matysek> the only thing i miss in linux is working wifi automatically
[02:03] <matysek> but i am unlucky broadcom 43xx user :D
[02:03] <andre_pl> AmyRose: you keep giving everyone the same response, and its really useless. we're using feisty because we want to test, and help report and fix bugs. if everyone took your advice there would be nobody to find the bugs
[02:03] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: so its something they've disabled as a workaround of some kind? or are you just speculating?
[02:04] <Room-102> I tried to install the nvidia binary driver on kubuntu eisty
[02:04] <Room-102> Damn enter button... lemme finish that..
[02:04] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, pure speculation here
[02:04] <andre_pl> what chipset?
[02:05] <Room-102> andre_pl 8800GTS
[02:05] <andre_pl> sorry, I was talking to misfit_toy
[02:06] <Room-102> andre_pl:  Oh, ok
[02:06] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, you mean the wifi chip?
[02:06] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: yes
[02:06] <thesilentw> so, is the kernel good now ?
[02:06] <misfit_toy> andre_pl, 3com
[02:07] <andre_pl> misfit_toy: mines intel 3945, so  thats a little bit more reassuring.
[02:08] <misfit_toy> thesilentw, I still get an error trying to get kernel updates, so I guess not.
[02:08] <TheVault> Is it ok to update to 2.6.20-14?
[02:08] <thesilentw> no
[02:08] <andre_pl> TheVault: -14 wouldn't download for me, i just got -15 a few minutes ago but it may b\not have spread to all the servers yet.
[02:08] <thesilentw> want was the command for distro upgrade
[02:09] <architec0> My ubuntu desktop Edgy Eft always freezes up on me. The mouse can move around the screen but everything else is frozen. What should I do? Thanks in advance
[02:09] <andre_pl> thesilentw apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:09] <TheVault> andre_pl: Is -15 ok to upgrade to then?
[02:09] <thesilentw> 15 doesnt work for me
[02:10] <andre_pl> architec0: edgy support is in #ubuntu this is for feisty
[02:10] <TheVault> Oh I see
[02:10] <andre_pl> 15 works here.
[02:10] <Room-102> Anyway, to anyone else who wants to help. I have a 8800 GTS and Kubuntu Feisty. I installed restricted-manager that I know ubuntu uses. I used that to install the driver and it doesn't work. when I run startx from the terminal it says their's an input/output error on /dev/nvidia0... Any help?
[02:10] <chad_> 15 doesn't work for me either
[02:10] <andre_pl> what problems are you guys having with 15?
[02:10] <chad_> same problems from -14, freeze at bootup
[02:10] <thesilentw> no boot
[02:11] <Room-102> the new kernel works for me
[02:11] <soweto76> Room-102, how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[02:11] <chad_> it seems to work for some and not others
[02:11] <andre_pl> is it a solid lockup?
[02:11] <thesilentw> chad wats your hardware
[02:11] <chad_> i can't ctrl-alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-del, so I guess so
[02:11] <architec0> andre_pl: #ubuntu  said to come here
[02:11] <thesilentw> cpu, graphics card
[02:11] <Room-102> soweto76: installed restricted-manager did it from there
[02:11] <chad_> AMD Opteron 170 dual core, 2 video cards: 6800GT
[02:11] <misfit_toy> the easiest test for hardware lockup is hit your numlock, if you can toggle the light on and off it's not truly locked up.
[02:11] <andre_pl> i used to get what appeared to be freezes on bootup, but i could alt-f1 and press enter and the boot process would pick up where it left off. it was just sitting at some prompt saying it couldn't load some file... i forget exactly what it said
[02:12] <thesilentw> mine is amd 64 bit 3800+ with a bfg 7800 GT
[02:12] <chad_> misfit_toy: my problem is my USB keyboard I think, the drivers do not get loaded in time before it freezes, so my keyboard is useless
[02:12] <andre_pl> architec0: ubuntu+1 is strictly for feisty fawn support. not edgy, someone told you wrong. :S
[02:13] <soweto76> Room-102, have you tried the new "Restricted drivers manager" from the menu?
[02:13] <misfit_toy> chad_, that's defined also in your xorg.conf, have you looked at that?
[02:13] <Room-102> soweto76: I didn't see one on the Kubuntu menu
[02:14] <chad_> misfit_toy: well it's freezing directly after the boot loading screen shows up, so does xorg have anything to do with that?
[02:14] <soweto76> Room-102, ls -l /usr/bin/restricted-manager   ??
[02:14] <TheVault> So what May 19th hits, will feisty fawn be fully ready?
[02:15] <Room-102> soweto76: Yup
[02:15] <TheVault> *so by May 19th
[02:15] <Room-102> That's what i installed
[02:15] <andre_pl> TheVault: *april 19 :)
[02:15] <andre_pl> TheVault:  intel 3945, so  thats a little bit more
[02:15] <andre_pl>                   reassuring.
[02:15] <TheVault> woops I ment April
[02:15] <andre_pl> and nobody knows.
[02:15] <Tuple> !breakage
[02:15] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[02:15] <andre_pl> ooh. bad pastage.
[02:16] <TheVault> andre_pl: Wait, I thought it was May 19th is when it would be released? They pushed it back?
[02:17] <fiveiron> anyone else have sketchy wifi on a laptop with feisty?
[02:17] <andre_pl> fiveiron: i have no wifi as of 2 or 3 days ago
[02:17] <fiveiron> it connects fine, but then like 10 seconds later the connection gets borked
[02:17] <TheVault> fiveiron: What do you mean sketchy? Slow wifi?
[02:17] <crdlb> fiveiron, what chipset?
[02:17] <xipietotec> I've got some *very* strange behavior now from feisty, and it's all brand new, within the last 2 weeks updates
[02:17] <xipietotec> scratch that, within the last 5 days or so
[02:17] <andre_pl> TheVault: its always been april as far as I know... thats where the .04 comes from in the version number
[02:18] <BHSPitMonkey> TheVault, it's always been April 19 on the schedule
[02:18] <BHSPitMonkey> and yeah, it's not 7.05
[02:18] <andre_pl> xipietotec: me too. its disturbing.
[02:18] <andre_pl> xipietotec: i blame terrorists. its sabotage.
[02:18] <TheVault> Maybe I read the wrong source of the release date. Oh well, Thanks 4 correcting me
[02:18] <xipietotec> bootup takes more than a minute after I get to the GDM screen, e.g., after I put in my name and password. Deskbar crashes on start up, and if I shut down with any programs open, it reopens them on startup
[02:19] <fiveiron>  crdlb one sec
[02:19] <xipietotec> if I suspend to disk, the whole WM stops working correctly.
[02:19] <xipietotec> no amount of restarting it fixes it either
[02:19] <andre_pl> xipietotec: that last one might not necessarily be a bug, you can configure it to do that... my deskbar has been broken for a while too...
[02:19] <TheVault> Yeah, I have suspend problems as well.
[02:19] <andre_pl> xipietotec: bootup here is pretty quick though
[02:20] <xipietotec> bootup probably takes about 2 minutes even.
[02:20] <andre_pl> xipietotec: 2 mins from gdm to desktop is crazy, its probably because its loading the previous session and all the open programs.
[02:20] <concept10> Deskbar can be fixed by removing the script it crashes on
[02:20] <xipietotec> andre_pl: no, it does it even if there are no programs open
[02:20] <andre_pl> concept10: i can't even right-click the deskbar to chance anything
[02:21] <andre_pl> xipietotec: i dunno about that one then... like I said, its quite snappy over here.
[02:21] <concept10> andre_pl, deskbar is nice, but some of the plugins are buggy.  I know exactly what you are talking about.  I can help you if you post the information
[02:22] <concept10> andre_pl, you cant remove it from the panel because it crashes before you get the chance to right?
[02:22] <andre_pl> concept10: its just greyed out right now and doesn't respond to anything.
[02:22] <jrib> andre_pl, concept10: workaround: use gconf-editor to remove it
[02:22] <concept10> andre_pl, do you know what it crashes on?
[02:23] <andre_pl> concept10: no idea.
[02:23] <concept10> jrib, that will not work
[02:23] <jrib> I do it every time I log in...
[02:23] <feistyman> anyone know the code to install google earth?
[02:23] <concept10> jrib, well thats a permanent fix
[02:23] <jrib> feistyman: google-earth is packaged in medibuntu repos
[02:23] <feistyman> jrib, what does that mean?
[02:24] <jrib> concept10: it was only a response to the "I can't right click on it" comment
[02:24] <matysek> my googleearth works good
[02:24] <matysek> and picasa also
[02:24] <concept10> andre_pl, To fix it, I did this for example:  I found out what was causing it to crash and I removed that plugin
[02:24] <andre_pl> concept10: where do you go to remove these plugins?
[02:24] <andre_pl> concept10 and how did you find out which one was crashing it?
[02:24] <jrib> feistyman: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[02:24] <feistyman> matysek, how did you install google earth? I've got the "bin" file on my desktop
[02:24] <fiveiron>  crdlb: ok... i've gone dumb... how do I find the chipset?
[02:24] <HOT> hey guys, anyone had any luck getting feisty working with vmware workstation beta 6?
[02:25] <crdlb> fiveiron, lspci|grep Ethernet
[02:25] <concept10> andre_pl, are you not getting any message boxes ?
[02:25] <matysek> feistyman: wanna know? :) i'll give you one link which will help you...
[02:25] <matysek> wait
[02:25] <feistyman> ok
[02:25] <fiveiron> crdlb: realtek   ... rtl-8139/8139C/8139C+
[02:25] <andre_pl> concept10:  no, but I just killed the process and started it again and it actually appears to be working
[02:26] <fiveiron> crdlb: sorry thats wrong
[02:26] <fiveiron> crdlb: its a Broadcom BCM4318
[02:26] <concept10> andre_pl, go through there and remove any buggy plugins
[02:26] <matysek> feistyman: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy#How_to_install_Google_Earth
[02:26] <andre_pl> concept10: which plugins would  you consider to be "buggy" ?
[02:27] <feistyman> Thanks, matysek, I'm checking it out now>
[02:27] <jrib> andre_pl: /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/deskbar-applet -w      will let you run it from a terminal and you can see where it gets stuck
[02:27] <andre_pl> jrib: thats the thing, it didn't get stuck, i just killed and restarted it and it didn't crash/.
[02:27] <concept10> jrib, thats a great asset
[02:28] <concept10> andre_pl, well you may want to take his advice, run it that way and see what errors it produces
[02:28] <matysek> feistyman: but there is an little error, when making shortcut to menu... but you can do it yourself... just give command googleearth some icon
[02:29] <matysek> feistyman: dont run it immediatelly after install
[02:29] <crdlb> fiveiron, that driver is new in feisty, but I've only heard of problems with atheros cards
[02:29] <jrib> andre_pl: if it only does it on startup, then just start disabling plugins and logging out and back in to narrow it down.  For me, the tracker plugin messes up
[02:29] <feistyman> matysek, I'm still not getting it. There is some code I'm supposed to type in the terminal, right?
[02:29] <matysek> feistyman: well, you are using linux... you have to do a lot of things in terminal
[02:30] <matysek> feistyman: do it step by step... i have to reboot machine now. sorry. brb
[02:30] <feistyman> matysek, the codes on that page don't seem to work. I'll keep trying.
[02:30] <jrib> feistyman: if you use the medibuntu repos, you can then just use Synaptic to install googleearth
[02:31] <arejay> How do you enable syslog -r in ubuntu
[02:36] <feistyman> jrib, I'm looking at the medibuntu page. Am I supposed to be able to click on something?
[02:37] <jrib> feistyman: "Repository HowTo"
[02:37] <jrib> you'll need to copy and paste 3 commands
[02:38] <feistyman> jrib, I'm looking at that page. Do I enter the feisty code in the terminal?
[02:38] <jrib> feistyman: yes, all 3 commands
[02:38] <jrib> feistyman: gpg, sources.list, update
[02:38] <feistyman> ok
[02:38] <spiderfire> hi
[02:38] <spiderfire> how is feisty?
[02:39] <spiderfire> its not working?
[02:39] <jrib> it's working for me
[02:40] <AdministratorX> I love Feisty, running it on five different systems here. 3 laptops to desktops.
[02:40] <usher_> how do i fix the kernel dealy majig
[02:40] <Draconicus> brb
[02:40] <AdministratorX>  Good way to find bugs as well
[02:40] <misfit_toy> usher_, lol, I haven't heard that phrase in ages.
[02:40] <spiderfire> jrib: no problems?
[02:41] <feistyman> jrib, That sure entered a lot of info in the terminal. How does that get me Google Earth?
[02:41] <AdministratorX> two desktops
[02:41] <usher_> i had it on my laptop, but the wireless was unable to connect to WPA
[02:41] <macpo3> not sure what I've done, but I don't seem to have a window manager any more :(
[02:41] <AdministratorX> No problem with WPA here so far
[02:41] <usher_> wow, launchpad is pretty
[02:42] <usher_> when did it get all neon green and what not
[02:42] <jrib> feistyman: sudo aptitude install googleearth
[02:42] <AdministratorX> I have one sound problem but it is a kernel bug on that laptop. Soon to be fixed I hope
[02:43] <macpo3> any suggestions for how I start / enable / install / reinstall a gnome window manager?
[02:43] <misfit_toy> so to make sure I understand, we do *not* want to load that .14 kernel correct?
[02:43] <misfit_toy> macpo3, try "metacity --replace"
[02:43] <feistyman> jrib, It appears to install now...
[02:43] <AdministratorX> sudo apt-get install gnome
[02:46] <chad_> misfit_toy: the .14 kernel seems to have a lot of problems. The .15 kernel is supposedly better, but still causing some problems for some users.
[02:47] <chad_> I'm hoping they release the -15.25 version soon for i386, there is only the x64 version available.
[02:47] <feistyman> jrib, I guess it installed. How do I find it on my computer?
[02:48] <jrib> feistyman: there may be a menu option in the internet submenu.  If not, type 'google-earth' or 'googleearth' in a terminal
[02:49] <Arko> hi
[02:49] <feistyman> jrib, it says "command not found" for both
[02:49] <Arko> after update I got this error: ata1.00 : revalidation failed (errno=-19). Help!!!
[02:49] <poningru> err right
[02:50] <poningru> Arko: topic dude
[02:50] <poningru> it should be fixed by tomorrow or something
[02:51] <jrib> feistyman: dpkg -L googleearth | grep bin
[02:51] <Arko> :(
[02:52] <feistyman> jrib, sorry things haven't gone so well. It now says package was not installed. I defintely saw it installing. But it's not there now.
[02:52] <Arko> I can't believe that
[02:52] <jrib> feistyman: check the output from before
[02:53] <feistyman> jrib, sorry, how do I do that?
[02:53] <Arko> is there a way to unupgrade?
[02:53] <jrib> feistyman: you should be able to scroll up
[02:54] <feistyman> jrib, there doesn't seem to be anything to scroll up to.
[02:54] <jrib> feistyman: try to install it again then
[02:55] <feistyman> Jrib, should it be placed in one of those accessible files, like "internet" Does it know which place to go to?
[02:55] <usher_> is it against the rules of the world for me to be able to have an 80GB SATA HD for a Ubuntu Linux partition and an 80GB SATA HD for a WinXP partition and then an 80GB IDE HD for the two partitions to share - for music, movies, etc?
[02:55] <jrib> feistyman: it should, but it won't be if the package wasn't installed
[02:55] <jrib> usher_: no
[02:55] <feistyman> how do I uninstall it
[02:55] <usher_> so this is possible
[02:56] <jrib> feistyman: didn't you just say it wasn't installed?
[02:56] <usher_> would it be hard to do
[02:56] <jrib> usher_: yes, I would just use ext3 to share and install a driver on windows so it could use ext3
[02:56] <harrisony> Arko: you mean downgrade?
[02:56] <feistyman> Yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't there somewhere... does it? It's kind of confusing to me. I wish there was some file I could click open and see of the program is physically there or not.
[02:57] <Arko> harrisony: yep
[02:57] <jrib> feistyman: apt-cache policy googleearth
[02:57] <harrisony> Arko: when you boot up, does it have Grub Loading press ESC to see menu?
[02:58] <feistyman> It says installed "none"
[02:58] <Arko> harrisony : I see menu
[02:58] <jrib> feistyman: right, so now lets try to install it again:  sudo aptitude install googleearth   .  But pastebin the output so we can see what goes wrong
[02:58] <harrisony> Arko: when you get to the grub menu choose one of the older kernals if not boot into rescue mode and then you can install another kernal from CLI
[02:58] <Arko> but the other option is 2.6.20-13. I would like to boot 2.6.14
[02:59] <harrisony> Arko: you could compile your own kernel
[02:59] <Arko> how could they release such broken stuff?
[02:59] <jrib> Arko: it isn't released
[02:59] <feistyman> Jrib, the liscening agreement has appeared on my terminal screen. But I can seem to do anything with it.
[03:00] <macpo3> ok, tried sudo apt-get install gnome, still got no window manager ....
[03:00] <Arko> release or upgrade or whathever
[03:00] <jrib> Arko: you're using a beta product
[03:00] <jrib> you are the tester
[03:00] <harrisony> macpo3: read the topic. that may help
[03:00] <macpo3> if you play with a pre-release beta, expect things to break and stop whining about buiild quality
[03:00] <Arko> hmmm
[03:01] <harrisony> macpo3: and the command would be sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <jrib> feistyman: can you press tab maybe to get to an "OK"?  I'll try to install it here too, but it says it will take 15 more minutes to download
[03:01] <Arko> how to rebuild the kernel?
[03:01] <macpo3> ah ... that wasn't what was suggested last time
[03:01] <harrisony> Arko: that is for you to work out, its quite advance stuff tho. google compiling a kernel the ubuntu way
[03:02] <Arko> harrisony: okay
[03:02] <jrib> !kernel > Arko    (Arko, see the private message from ubotu)
[03:02] <harrisony> Arko: like i condiser my self an advance user but...i only ever run beta releases of ubuntu under Vmware. i am still running Edgy on this computer now
[03:02] <feistyman> Jrib, it worked.  Thanks so much!!!
[03:03] <Arko> sorry, but I do not agree with you guys
[03:04] <harrisony> Arko: ??
[03:04] <Arko> I think if it is a beta release, it has small problems, not such huge problem like that
[03:06] <harrisony> Arko: Its more of an Alpha release, there is a difference bewteen beta software and beta operating systems
[03:06] <spikeb> beta means feature complete, not "lack of problems"
[03:06] <macpo3> ok, more info: if I try and start preferences -> windows I get "Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager. Window manager 'unknown' has not registered a configuration tool"
[03:06] <harrisony> Arko: it also does say on the download page this is reccomended for advance users and most advance users know what to do when it comes to fixing problems
[03:06] <macpo3> I can only run a single application at a time
[03:07] <AnRkey> hi all
[03:08] <AnRkey> any more news on RC1's problems?
[03:08] <harrisony> macpo3: try xubuntu-desktop its alot lighter and looks more like gnome
[03:08] <harrisony> !brekage > AnRkey
[03:08] <misfit_toy> ok, there's a 15.14 now, is that good?
[03:08] <snax> I got a larger monitor; is there a way to change the resolution of the splash screen/console?
[03:08] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: as of when?  I tried about 5 min ago.
[03:09] <AnRkey> harrisony: that didn't work
[03:09] <AnRkey> !breakage
[03:09] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[03:09] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, as of 1 minute ago :)
[03:09] <AnRkey> ahh the a :D
[03:09] <AnRkey> thanks harrisony
[03:09] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: so I see.  I just ran apt-get update
[03:10] <NoelJB> I've been upgrading daily, running feisty under VMware 6
[03:10] <NoelJB> Whenever it breaks, I tend to find out real fast.
[03:10] <NoelJB> So far it has been pretty good except for a month ago, when paravirt broke.
[03:15] <thill2708> why am I not able to read a dvd+r burned in windows on my feisty system?
[03:15] <AnRkey> i am just itching to try RC1
[03:16] <harrisony> i wish n00bs would listen and pay attension to the line "For advance users only" on the Feisty download page
[03:17] <noisymouse> I recently reconfigured xorg, and now the resolution I want, which I've specified in /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not match the resolution that is actually being used.
[03:18] <greg_g> hey harrisony, I don't want to butt in here, but(t), there is no reason to call a person who made a mistake a "n00b" (in such great leet speak) especially while he is still here.  and for what it is worth, I think that he did make a mistake by installing it and not being an "advanced user" but geez man
[03:18] <greg_g> damnit, he left
[03:18] <noisymouse> How can I fix this?
[03:18] <thill2708> anyone else have problems with dvd+r's?
[03:18] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, reboot?
[03:19] <greg_g> not reboot
[03:19] <greg_g> restart x
[03:19] <greg_g> ctrl, alt, backspace
[03:19] <Naddiseo> yeah, but sometimes it doesn't restart x
[03:19] <Naddiseo> it dumps you onto command line with an error
[03:19] <AnRkey> thill2708: writing to them with feisty or installing from them?
[03:19] <noisymouse> Naddiseo: My machine's been reboot several times while xorg.conf has had a different resolution than the one being used.
[03:19] <greg_g> then I retrack my statement
[03:19] <thill2708> reading from them when they've been burned in a windows program ... in windows
[03:20] <misfit_toy> ok, 15.14 is ready, anybody tried it yet? I need to reboot to fix network-mgr and wifi....
[03:20] <thill2708> damn thing doesn't even mount in feisty
[03:20] <noisymouse> is there a way to change the solutions that are available when reconfiguring xorg?
[03:20] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, do you use nvidia?
[03:20] <noisymouse> *solutions=resolutions
[03:20] <Kikkoman> I guess upgrading to Feisty isn't the best idea, so it seems.
[03:20] <noisymouse> Naddiseo, yes.
[03:20] <Kikkoman> Is this true? :P
[03:20] <ShackJack> Kikkoman - nope.
[03:20] <Naddiseo> Hmm, have you tried using nvidia's configure thingy?
[03:21] <Naddiseo> nvidia-xconfig or something
[03:21] <Naddiseo> there's a gui thing
[03:21] <noisymouse> Naddiseo, I'll try that.
[03:21] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: when I run apt-get -s upgrade right now, I see that "linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic" are held back.  Do you see the same?
[03:21] <mphill> i have amd64 system that would only boot if i disabled the boot splash, was this part of the breakage?
[03:22] <AnRkey> ok later all
[03:23] <Naddiseo> noisymouse, http://pastebin.ca/439080 <-- that's my xorg.conf, I'm at 1024x768 at 75Hz
[03:23] <misfit_toy> Noel, I think those are the 14 ones, right? that would make sense, they don't want to push them
[03:23] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: so they fixed the 403 by changing the meta-data for the installer is what we're both saying?
[03:23] <feistyman> jrib, are you there. I just wanted to make sure I said "Thank-you."
[03:23] <mon^rch> I upgraded my kernel... hope all will be well...
[03:24] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, that's my guess, it's still in local caches so they changed the meta to just not push it.
[03:24] <noisymouse> okay. Thanks. (restarting x). hopefully i won't have to come back.
[03:24] <marcel> hi who can help me upgrade my kernel
[03:24] <Naddiseo> *nods* good lock
[03:24] <mphill> i'm running just fine on my i386 box
[03:24] <mphill> we'll see
[03:24] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: +1  (FWIW, I purged my cache earlier "just in case")
[03:25] <NoelJB> and yes, the 14 ones.
[03:25] <misfit_toy> I'm going to just reboot, damn the torpedoes, this is what it's all about anyway, if anyone has anything to say say it now or hold your peace forever....and why didn't you speak up at my wedding?
[03:25] <NoelJB> LOL  See you in a few.
[03:25] <misfit_toy> here goes....
[03:25] <Room-102> Does anyone have the nvidia binary drives working in Feisty?
[03:25] <jrib> feistyman: np, glad to help
[03:26] <jrib> Room-102: yes
[03:26] <feistyman> jrib, I really appreciate it. I don't know how you know all those install codes. Hope to be like that someday
[03:26] <Room-102> They won't work for me. I'm on Kubuntu and When i look at the logfile it says it carn't find libwbf.
[03:27] <macpo3> now I know what broke it - removing "network manager" took away ubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <jrib> feistyman: just experience, you'll pick up a lot of new stuff really fast, especially if you are new to linux
[03:27] <Room-102> Can anyone help me?
[03:27] <feistyman> I am new, about three weeks into it. But I really like the software that's available.
[03:28] <feistyman> jrib, gotta go now. Take care!
[03:28] <jrib> feistyman: bye
[03:29] <sonoftheclayr> the last time a kernel will be released on friday the 13th?
[03:29] <jrib> haha
[03:29] <Room-102> Anyone?
[03:30] <Naddiseo> Room-102, have you tried installing libwbf
[03:30] <Naddiseo> what ever it is
[03:30] <Naddiseo> !ubotu libwbf
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libwbf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:31] <fruxo> Does anybody have an idea when the installer will be fixed from the latest boot breakage+
[03:31] <misfit_toy> 15 definitely doesn't work
[03:32] <maccam94> are things still broken today? i haven't upgraded in over 24 hours, so my system never broke. should I hold off on updating?
[03:32] <misfit_toy> maccam94, thats a definite yes, hold off
[03:32] <maccam94> k, thanks for the info
[03:33] <meff> heh only on some systems
[03:33] <meff> my p-d 830, asus p5ld2 boots 14 and 15 just fine
[03:33] <ShackJack> I'm just having the 403 issue on the linux module...
[03:33] <meff> apt-get update
[03:33] <ShackJack> aptitude update :)
[03:34] <maccam94> well my evga nvidia 680i mobo, geforce 8800GTS, and lvm setup make things unstable enough as it is, so i'll hold off ;-)
[03:34] <meff> ah
[03:35] <meff> my board is intel, cpu is intel, 7900gs gfx.. all boots fine
[03:35] <BluesKaj> got DRI working on ATI , usd the edgy instructions ..worked fine
[03:35] <meff> lvm2 etc..
[03:35] <mon^rch> ".15" kernel still isn't recognizing one of my drives
[03:36] <meff> heh odd that my box isnt having problems
[03:36] <meff> friday the 13th luck i guess
[03:36] <fruxo> Does anybody know when the feisty images are usually updated?
[03:36] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: for what class of drives does it fail?
[03:37] <mon^rch> and the other kernel has an update now... I think I'll wait
[03:38] <fruxo> hmm, any way to disable the SATA subsystem and fall back to the old one?
[03:38] <fruxo> I have a PATA disk anyway
[03:38] <NoelJB> is it only effecting SATA systems?  SCSI would be safe?
[03:38] <meff> i have a wdc 500 and 320 sata
[03:38] <meff> working fine
[03:39] <mon^rch> odd, I have two Western Digital SATA, but it only see's one
[03:39] <meff> look at your dmesg log
[03:40] <misfit_toy> the good news is that the reboot fixed wifi! yay.
[03:40] <misfit_toy> or more exactly network-manager, as there was an update today
[03:40] <misfit_toy> hm...weird though, network-manager now just says "manual configuration", doesn't list wifi hotspots...oh well, at least it doesn't have a red X on it and wifi works.
[03:41] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, I have no idea
[03:41] <meff> hm
[03:41] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: that sounds like what I'd expect from the description of today's fix to the network manager
[03:42] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, I'm on the 14 kernel BEFORE today...and that still works, but the 15 throws an X error.
[03:42] <NoelJB> I've the 14 kernel from April 2
[03:43] <thill2708> This (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/1685) reports the question is answered, but I find no answer to my dvd+r problem. Any other places I could look besides ubuntuforums?
[03:44] <xeternal> where can i find the new kernel .deb
[03:44] <NoelJB> xeternal: I believe that you wait until it is posted.
[03:44] <NoelJB> then apt-get will fetch it for you.
[03:44] <xeternal> my system is broken
[03:44] <NoelJB> or the apt gui front end of your choice.
[03:45] <xeternal> I can't connect to net
[03:45] <NoelJB> xeternal: then I believe your path is to go back, not forward, at the moment.
[03:45] <xeternal> I can boot on safe mode
[03:45] <NoelJB> you do still have the previous kernel in grub, right?
[03:46] <xeternal> but it is shows mismatch or corrupt stag1/stag2
[03:46] <xeternal> should I reinstall grub
[03:46] <xeternal> at all back version
[03:47] <NoelJB> what did you try to boot?
[03:48] <maccam94> meff, for a while feisty wouldn't boot my lvm2 setup because of some dmraid issue... but i'm doubtful this install will last 6 months. upgraded from edgy, had used automatix, /home is being moved, experimental software is always being installed... haha.
[03:48] <xeternal> I boot from  win grub ,and copy the /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-14 to /vmlinuz ,so the img file
[03:49] <NoelJB> uh ... why didn't you just ask grub to boot to one of the previous feisty kernels?  it maintains several when upgrading.
[03:50] <NoelJB> see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:50] <xeternal> I tried all , but all shows mismatch or corrupt stag1/stag2 except in safe mode
[03:50] <misfit_toy> !kernel
[03:50] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[03:51] <maccam94> linux-image-2.6.20-14.23-generic should be avoided?
[03:51] <meff> in general..
[03:51] <maccam94> i have .22 atm
[03:51] <meff> besides, 15.25 is out now..
[03:52] <tmccrary> meff: does that mean an upgrade should fix the problem in the topic?
[03:52] <misfit_toy> I'm on the 2.6.20-14-386 and it's ok, that's before today's issues, so anyone who is fairly up to date should be able to boot that just fine.
[03:52] <misfit_toy> just pick that kernel during grub boot
[03:52] <meff> should.. in theory, tmccrary  ;)
[03:53] <meff> i have yet to boot it myself
[03:53] <meff> its the second -15 that came out today
[03:53] <gils> why does my update manager insists on still trying to get the old kernel?
[03:53] <NoelJB> xeternal: "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-333708.html"
[03:54] <NoelJB> xeternal: and I presume you mean stage1 not stag1
[03:54] <xeternal> thanks
[03:54] <tmccrary> I'm in a livecd, chrooted into my install
[03:55] <xeternal> yes
[03:55] <NoelJB> gils: perhaps they haven't updated the meta-data yet
[03:57] <xeternal> I just think why it is boot ok with safe mode
[03:57] <Arko> how to install 2.6.20-15.24?
[04:01] <mphill> http://www.tux500.com/
[04:01] <NoelJB> mphill: context?
[04:02] <Beta> I come to ask, my gurus, if there is a way to get more applets for my interface bars.
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> mphill: don't advertise here.
[04:02] <mphill> ok
[04:03] <Beta> Such as meter like the CPU one, only for ram usage.
[04:03] <mphill> Beta: yes
[04:03] <Beta> I just found it, enver mind.
[04:03] <mphill> add a system monitor, then right click
[04:09] <misfit_toy> wow, they've been predicting big storms here tonite, the wind just picked up and is howling, supposedly 1-3 inch hail incoming....sheesh.
[04:09] <tmccrary> it is truly the apocsaclips
[04:09] <deepsa> where is it?
[04:09] <misfit_toy> austin, TX
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> misfit_toy: cool
[04:10] <deepsa> i would like to be there
[04:10] <soothsay> tmccrary: You should probably check the spelling of that word
[04:10] <maccam94> soothsay, lol
[04:10] <tmccrary> soothsay: Me fail english? thats unpossible!
[04:10] <deepsa> lol
[04:10] <misfit_toy> oops, lights flickering here....
[04:10] <maccam94> misfit_toy, usually that's a bad sign
[04:10] <deepsa> lol. you gonna die misfit_toy?
[04:10] <maccam94> FRIDAY THE 13TH!!!!!
[04:10] <maccam94> lol
[04:10] <misfit_toy> the best thing about laptops is the battery, but when your router dies, battery doesn't help much.
[04:11] <maccam94> deepsa, no but his computer probably will
[04:11] <deepsa> lol
[04:11] <maccam94> haha
[04:11] <misfit_toy> I think I just saw a dog being blown up the street
[04:11] <misfit_toy> or a small person
[04:11] <tmccrary> thats what usually happens
[04:11] <maccam94> blown as in wind or explosion?
[04:11] <tmccrary> you must have been "LEFT BEHIND"
[04:11] <misfit_toy> wind
[04:12] <maccam94> good, those dang terryrests are bein kept over the that thar middle-east
[04:13] <maccam94> misfit_toy, wait you're getting a big storm too? do you know if that's the same one heading for the northeast or a different one?
[04:13] <maccam94> we're supposed to get a ton of snow/rain over the weekend up here
[04:13] <fruxo> Hmm, is it possible to find an initrd image for the new kernel online somewhere?
[04:13] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: are you seeing newer kernels than you installed?  the held back status is gone.
[04:13] <Saelynh> Hi
[04:13] <misfit_toy> NoelJB, lemme check
[04:13] <Saelynh> anyone know the name of the dock mac-like for beryl ?
[04:14] <maccam94> Saelynh, there are a few
[04:14] <misfit_toy> maccam94, I think the whole country is going to have weird weather tonite, we need to ask Al Gore
[04:14] <maccam94> avant-window-navigator
[04:14] <maccam94> beryl-dock
[04:14] <maccam94> kxdocker
[04:14] <tprice> hey all
[04:14] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: another global warming person?  c'mon, your president says that it doesn't exist.  you do believe him, right?
[04:15] <tprice> can anyone give me some help with ubuntu server 6.1
[04:15] <NoelJB> read that as dripping with sarcasm.
[04:15] <maccam94> Saelynh, cairo-dock has been replaced by something else...
[04:15] <misfit_toy> I wouldn't believe Bush if his hair was on fire and I had a bucket of water.
[04:15] <maccam94> NoelJB, this whole channel is a bottle of sarcasm
[04:15] <maccam94> lol
[04:16] <fruxo> Has the newly released kernel fixed the boot problems for anybody here+
[04:16] <maccam94> misfit_toy, that would be sweet. you'd have something to drink while watching the festivities
[04:16] <mphill> how does Bush or global warming have anything to do with this channel?
[04:16] <misfit_toy> maccam94, true!
[04:16] <maccam94> mphill, very slightly tangentially
[04:16] <NoelJB> mphill: it doesn't, which is why I moved my comment with misfit_toy to a priv
[04:16] <Saelynh> nothing into beryl ?
[04:16] <mphill> we just had a blizzard here in april
[04:16] <maccam94> Saelynh, there's beryl-dock
[04:16] <maccam94> Saelynh, aka bdock
[04:16] <NoelJB> misfit_toy: any news on the apt-get update; apt-get -s upgrade front?
[04:16] <Saelynh> I use gnome panel before but with beryl I cant unhide it :|
[04:16] <maccam94> i think it's just a reworked windowmaker app tho
[04:17] <misfit_toy> hm, bdock must not be the apt name, what is it? I'd like to take a look!
[04:17] <maccam94> Saelynh, imo there isn't anything that can truly replace gnome-panel atm. what do you mean you can't unhide it?
[04:17] <misfit_toy> whoah, trees sideways here
[04:17] <maccam94> misfit_toy, it's very experimental afaik, definitely not a package in ubuntu
[04:18] <misfit_toy> ah, k
[04:18] <tprice> I'm trying to load the gui for server 6.1 it starts to run and just locks up
[04:18] <NickGarvey> does the alternative cd install packages from the internet during the "installing base system" phase?
[04:18] <NickGarvey> I am aware there is a problem with the kernel in the repos, and my install is breaking at that point, so I was wondering if they were the same thing?
[04:18] <Saelynh> I just make a bar on the right with icons aplications
[04:19] <fruxo> So the new kernel hasn't fixed the boot problem for anybody?
[04:19] <Saelynh> I set hide to 0 in gconf
[04:19] <maccam94> misfit_toy, it's in beryl's svn repository: http://bugs.beryl-project.org/browser/trunk/bdock?rev=4514
[04:19] <Saelynh> I do the same thing into dapper, It's work
[04:19] <misfit_toy> maccam94, thx
[04:19] <Saelynh> but know on feisty I cant unhide it :(
[04:19] <maccam94> NickGarvey, i believe so. it is simply a text-based installer with a few extras like lvm support
[04:20] <Saelynh> I think I do something wrong with beryl but I don't know what :/
[04:20] <maccam94> i dunno if it does dist-upgrade stuff though...
[04:20] <maccam94> Saelynh, my gnome-panel works fine with beryl :-\
[04:20] <Saelynh> yes
[04:20] <NickGarvey> I wish I had popped in here before I reinstalled ubuntu though hah
[04:21] <Saelynh> I do something wrong with beryl
[04:21] <Saelynh> but I dont know what :/
[04:21] <maccam94> NickGarvey, i'm pretty sure it can be installed without an internet connection though.
[04:21] <NoelJB> maccam94: +1
[04:22] <maccam94> Saelynh, maybe try backing up you beryl configuration, and resetting it?
[04:22] <NoelJB> sorry ... in case that wasn't clear, apache-speak for agreement.
[04:22] <NickGarvey> maccam94: yeah, what I ended up doing was picking a kernel off the CD instead of the repos
[04:23] <maccam94> NoelJB, oh darn, for a second I thought I was being promoted :-P
[04:24] <NoelJB> :)
[04:34] <linux_kid> nm-applet died after an update, is that normal breakage?
[04:35] <misfit_toy> linux_kid, it was for me a week ago, but today "kinda" fixed it...
[04:36] <linux_kid> misfit_toy, thank you, i've been using windozes since
[04:36] <misfit_toy> not me, networking still works just N-M had issues.
[04:37] <mphill> the other day i had an awesome looking volume control that was transparent with composite, now it looks like this. http://www.mphill.org/~mphill/this_volume_stinks.jpg  any clues how to get it back to the nice looking one?
[04:38] <misfit_toy> mphill, without looking at your link, it's probably your metacity theme
[04:38] <misfit_toy> mphill, try using tango for your icon theme
[04:38] <mphill> i have not altered my theme
[04:39] <mphill> its a large mac osx looking volume indicator
[04:39] <mphill> i am using tango.
[04:39] <balster_neb> looks like the 20-15.25 kernel is already on archive.ubuntu.com, but the packages list hasn't been updated yet
[04:40] <Pici> mphill: I know what you're referring to, and it went away for me too
[04:40] <Pici> mphill: I'm not sure if I changed something though, I was playing around with my xorg.conf
[04:41] <mphill> Pici, I have not played with anything, its just seems to come and go with updates...
[04:41] <mphill> bummer, it looks really nice!
[04:42] <fiveLaptop> bleh... anyone else having problems with broadcom wifi drivers?
[04:45] <thelaser> looks like the package list just updated for i386
[04:46] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> wow, feisty update manager just donwloaded 250 updates :) it was just a week ago I  did installed some other updates :P
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> :D
[04:48] <NickGarvey> M4ri00sh: I'm on file 199 of 300 :)
[04:48] <thelaser> so, would upgrading from edgy to feisty right now be a poor idea?
[04:48] <M4ri00sh> hahaha
[04:48] <NickGarvey> thelaser: right now? yes!
[04:48] <NickGarvey> thelaser: kernel problems all over the place :-\
[04:48] <xtknight> hasnt that stuff been fixed
[04:48] <xtknight> ?
[04:50] <linux_kid> xtknight, not really
[04:50] <balster_neb> thelaser: i was just about to do my edgy to feisty upgrade about 16 hours ago when I realised there were kernel problems everywhere
[04:51] <thelaser> so was I.
[04:51] <balster_neb> I'm just waiting to see how 20-15.25 works out
[04:51] <balster_neb> I guess that's what I get for planning an upgrade on friday the 13th :)
[04:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, knock on wood..but Ihaven't had a kernel problem ...just my own lack caution got me in trouble with feisty
[04:53] <BluesKaj> of course I haven't rebooted since the last kernel upgrade came down the pipe
[04:54] <balster_neb> yup, the package list has been updated
[04:58] <thelaser> any recommendations as to how long I should wait before trying edgy => feisty?
[04:58] <Falstius> It seems it is a good thing I didn't turn on my computer this morning and load the updates.
[04:58] <M4ri00sh> try it now
[04:58] <M4ri00sh> :P
[04:59] <K`zan> Anyone else getting this: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> i think i did
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> not sure
[05:00] <M4ri00sh> some downloads failed
[05:00] <K`zan> I've got a custom kernel, but wanted to be sure I didn't have some problem, that IP is not blocked here...
[05:00] <Falstius> K`zan: I am ... that's actually why I came online, to see if it was in the topic (which it kind of is)
[05:00] <balster_neb> thelaser: I'm just waiting to see if the latest kernel causes any problems for people
[05:01] <K`zan> My custom one works fine :), the low latency destktop really helps.
[05:01] <beg1689> the one mentioned in the topic?
[05:01] <balster_neb> if it seems to work, I will do my upgrade as soon as my local mirror updates
[05:01] <beg1689> is gnome-compiz-manager going to be included in feisty?
[05:01] <beg1689> its very nice
[05:01] <K`zan> Ah, missed topic :).
[05:01] <K`zan> Never mind ;-).
[05:02] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:02] <beg1689> yes
[05:02] <beg1689> i had that same question just a few days ago
[05:02] <K`zan>  /msg ubotu breakage
[05:02] <beg1689> hold on ill find the package that i needed
[05:03] <K`zan> I guess I had better leave the box up until this is resolved, lest I boot not...
[05:03] <beg1689> libpam-keyring
[05:03] <beg1689> install that ^ then there is a small change i believe you need to make, check the README.Debian
[05:03] <NoelJB> balster_neb: I'll try it in a moment.
[05:04] <thelaser> K`zan: Fixes should be available on archive...
[05:04] <beg1689> the only catch is that the keyring password needs to be the same as your login password
[05:04] <NoelJB> mind you, I run feisty as a VMI kernel inside of VMware, so the H/W environment is a bit different ...
[05:05] <os2mac> so has anyone been having problems with power management?
[05:05] <beg1689> vmware just reminds me of my inexplainable wine problem
[05:05] <thelaser> Can the keyring password be changed now?  Last time I looked (months ago) it couldn't.
[05:05] <beg1689> nope not here
[05:05] <eck> K`zan: the pre-emption (low-latency) patches are in the ubuntu kernel
[05:05] <beg1689> i dont know, but you can probably delete the keyring and make a new one
[05:05] <beg1689> or change your logon pass
[05:06] <beg1689> afaik theres no way to have different passwords
[05:06] <eck> well i guess they are not patches, but the preemption option is enabled
[05:06] <NoelJB> beg1689: YMMV.  WFM.
[05:06] <beg1689> NoelJB: i hae no iea what you just said
[05:06] <Dekkard> heh
[05:07] <M4ri00sh> Setting up ubuntu-desktop ... (1-43) -- How long this takes this time :)
[05:07] <eck> doesn't the keyring just use pam?
[05:07] <thelaser> Hmm... probably no hope of unlocking the keyring with thinkfinger, eh?
[05:07] <K`zan> eck: Not according to what was in .config, I had to set it.
[05:07] <beg1689> eck: only if that package is installed
[05:08] <os2mac> no one having problems with laptop power management in Fiesty?
[05:08] <beg1689> not here
[05:08] <beg1689> laptop working fine
[05:08] <NoelJB> beg1689: Your Mileage May Vary.  Works For Me.
[05:08] <phaidros> yah laptop fine
[05:08] <NoelJB> in the process of installing the new .15 kernel ...
[05:08] <beg1689> cpu scaling, suspend to ram, battery
[05:08] <thelaser> heard something about trouble getting an LCD backlight to shut off...
[05:08] <tmccrary> Regarding the breakage, my machine freezes while getting to part about SATA 1.5 GBps, etc. That sounds about right correct?
[05:09] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:09] <beg1689> NoelJB: what were you responding to? haveing different keyring and logon passwords?
[05:09] <crimsun> tmccrary: should be fixed with -15.25, which is available now.
[05:09] <binskipy2u> anyone think 7.02rc is that much better,faster then 6.10?
[05:09] <beg1689> actually i do have a strange problem that came up, i think it was early yesterday or the night before, when logging in the icon for network manager displays wrong
[05:10] <binskipy2u> think it has a lot of promise
[05:10] <binskipy2u> ?
[05:10] <beg1689> it is connected, and if i click it it shows "Wired Network" is selected, and my connection works, but the icon itself says no connection available
[05:10] <eck> K`zan: i was sure it was there, but i can't find it.... config.gz should really be compiled into the ubuntu kernel
[05:11] <phaidros> new kernel ??
[05:11] <phaidros> good!
[05:11] <Falstius> beg1689: do you have more than one network card?
[05:11] <phaidros> but not lowlat yet, eh?
[05:12] <Chetwin> /whisper
[05:12] <Chetwin> arg
[05:12] <beg1689> i have one wired, one wireless, network manager itself works fine, and if i reconnect to to any network, including the already connected wired one, then the icon appears normal
[05:12] <beg1689> but right now, it is display no connection
[05:12] <beg1689> theres been 2 more updates to network-manager since the problem appeared
[05:12] <Chetwin> Can I have network manager remember my key without having to use the keyring in gnome?
[05:12] <Falstius> beg1689: mine does the same thing, I assumed it was because only 1 of my 2 wired networks has a cable connected.
[05:12] <K`zan> eck: Dunno, wasn't here using /proc/config.gz and the system was clunky with the supplied kernel.  Between the nvidia (official) and the low latency desktop, this thing sings :-).
[05:13] <beg1689> Chetwin: yes
[05:13] <Chetwin> beg1689: How
[05:13] <crimsun> eck: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:13] <beg1689> well not technically WITHOUT keyring, but you can hav the keyring not ask for your password
[05:13] <eck> crimsun: that's what i was looking for
[05:13] <Chetwin> beg1689: how is that
[05:13] <beg1689> first install libpam-keyring
[05:14] <NoelJB> beg1689: if I recall correctly, your comment about vmware and wine.
[05:14] <beg1689> yes
[05:14] <NoelJB> BRB ... almost done installing 15-25
[05:14] <beg1689> it reminds me of an unexplainable problem im currently having with wine.
[05:14] <Chetwin> beg1689: then what
[05:15] <beg1689> once sec Chetwin im trying to find the file you need to add a line to
[05:15] <Dekkard> is that kernel in the mainstream update, or is it an option?
[05:15] <crimsun> Dekkard: which?
[05:16] <Dekkard> my update manager shows the headers for that kernel.. but still shows 14 as the kernel
[05:16] <beg1689> ok, install libpam-keyring and read its readme, /usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian
[05:16] <beg1689> it tells you what has to be done
[05:16] <Dekkard> 2,6.15.25
[05:16] <beg1689> Chetwin ^
[05:16] <Chetwin> ty
[05:16] <crimsun> Dekkard: -15.25-generic is definitely available on archive.ubuntu.com
[05:17] <Dekkard> k
[05:17] <beg1689> im already running it
[05:17] <Dekkard>  i was hoping it was simply in the updates thru update mgr
[05:17] <beg1689> it is
[05:17] <Dekkard> hmm
[05:17] <Dekkard> this has me nervous
[05:17] <beg1689> ill double check but im pretty sure im running that exact kernel
[05:17] <balster_neb> this is frightening: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2450269&postcount=16
[05:18] <M4ri00sh> ok,  I've restarted after the 250 installed updates .... it took the system to boot 3 minutes but it works ... huhhh
[05:18] <beg1689> yup
[05:18] <M4ri00sh> just checking ...
[05:19] <balster_neb> It seems that 20-15.25 still doesn't work for someone
[05:19] <crimsun> balster_neb: he doesn't include any relevant info, so it's a fairly useless bug report.
[05:19] <Chetwin> beg1689: This is difficult for me to understand
[05:19] <balster_neb> yup, I hope so
[05:20] <beg1689> ok
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:20] <beg1689> Chetwin: First of all, is your default keyrings password the same as yor login password?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> ok, topic tells all... question... is there a way to fix booting?
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> "revalidation failed" is my message
[05:21] <NoelJB> FWIW, the 15-25 kernel is working fine here.  Again, I am running it inside VMware with paravirt enabled and with a SCSI drive.
[05:21] <thelaser> Use an old kernel from GRUB, or boot the liveCD and chroot into your install, then update.
[05:21] <beg1689> Chetwin: System -> Administration -> Keyring manager
[05:22] <beg1689> if its not the right password you will have to delete it or change its name, and make a new default
[05:22] <NoelJB> For whatever reason, 14.23 is still in the meta-data, even though still 403'd.
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> so 2.6.20-14 generic is broken
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:22] <beg1689> whats wrong with 2.6.20-14-generic?
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> my system will not boot...
[05:22] <nomasteryoda> but maybe the older one will...
[05:23] <nomasteryoda> thelaser, i was guessing that is for me
[05:24] <thelaser> nomasteryoda: yes, sorry.
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> ok, np...
[05:25] <NoelJB> 14.22 should
[05:25] <NoelJB> 15-25 does for me.
[05:25] <crimsun> NoelJB: it was just removed.
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> see, i updated and then today while offline, i cloned my drive to a new drive... larger, and I thought it was something i did
[05:25] <crimsun> references to -14- in the metas, that is.
[05:26] <NoelJB> crimsun: what was just removed?  14.23?
[05:26] <NoelJB> crimsun: when?  I just did apt-get update.
[05:26] <crimsun> 23:24 < cjwatson> -14 kernels removed
[05:26] <crimsun> as in 2 minutes ago.
[05:27] <NoelJB> So it will take time to migrate to the mirrors.
[05:27] <crimsun> NoelJB: upon the next publisher and /then/ dinstall, yes.
[05:28] <mon^rch> hmmm... now the "15" kernel wont boot x...
[05:28] <crimsun> of course. l-r-m hasn't been shoved for it yet.
[05:28] <mon^rch> oh :P
[05:29] <mon^rch> tx for the info :)
[05:29] <NoelJB> mon^rch: 15-25 is running for me.
[05:29] <crimsun> now all you have to do is wait for meta's binaries to propagate
[05:29] <mon^rch> well, it's not for me :(
[05:30] <NoelJB> mon^rch: :-\
[05:30] <crimsun> you could, of course, just install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-foo yourself
[05:30] <Dekkard> is this an issue mostly with systems with ata drives.. im still running ide?
[05:30] <crimsun> Dekkard: sata.
[05:30] <Dekkard> dats what i meant
[05:30] <NoelJB> Dekkard: IDE == ATA == PATA.
[05:30] <purpleposeidon> help, wireless is not working for me
[05:30] <Dekkard> ahh
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, wait... there are 14.bak kernels in my /boot.... can i use one of those?
[05:31] <Dekkard> paralell ata
[05:31] <NoelJB> nomasteryoda: your grub menu should list available kernels.
[05:31] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: err, those should be for your initramfs, not your vmlinuz
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> ya
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> right sorry
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> it does NoelJB ...
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:33] <jmichaelx> will there be new restricted modules eventually for -15.25?
[05:34] <jmichaelx> just curious, as my ralink wireless has really crapped out now, lol
[05:34] <jmichaelx> it works, but  very very slowly
[05:34] <crimsun> jmichaelx: it exists already; the metas were only recently (10 mins ago) updated
[05:34] <jmichaelx> crimsun: ok, i was able to get the new kernel, but saw no restricted modules coming down
[05:35] <crimsun>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>-15.20 0
[05:35] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages
[05:35] <crimsun> `apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic`
[05:35] <jmichaelx> good :-d
[05:36] <mon^rch> hmm... I have l-r-m but my x crashed.... just updated 5 mins ago...  :/
[05:36] <jmichaelx> crimsun: well, what i am asking is whether there would necessarily be new restricted modules when simply moving from -15.24 to -15.25
[05:36] <crimsun> jmichaelx: there won't be.
[05:37] <crimsun> no abi bump, no need for new ones.
[05:37] <jmichaelx> ok, in that case i already have them. i am just trying to decide whether or not i need to file a bug report about my wireless
[05:37] <concept10> when will the new kernel be uploaded?
[05:37] <NoelJB> I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-generic <IP_ADDRESS>-15.20
[05:38] <crimsun> concept10: it's already available.
[05:38] <tmccrary> My hat is off to the ladies and gentlemen who fixed the glitch
[05:38] <tmccrary> thank you
[05:38] <crazy_bus> is konqueror able to view mng's?  As it crashes every time I load the libmng site
[05:38] <concept10> Well my system boots, but just halts on the GDM login screen.
[05:38] <concept10> anyone know about that one?
[05:39] <thelaser> anyone know what was wrong with the kernels anyway?
[05:39] <crimsun> a bit vague on details, concept10.
[05:39] <crimsun> thelaser: libata/HPA futzing.
[05:40] <concept10> I cant log into the desktop, the system boots, starts GDM, and the cursor stops flashing at the login screen.  It's like it just stops.  This was before and after the latest update.
[05:40] <concept10> I did'nt notice until I rebooted.
[05:40] <NoelJB> concept10: what's the last thing you see in /var/log?
[05:40] <opopanax> hey all
[05:40] <concept10> before that my system was up for days.
[05:40] <mon^rch> so if I have the new kernel... and the matching restricted modules... and x isn't booting (for 15) should I reconfigure x? or just wait until it's updated again?
[05:40] <crimsun> concept10: we need details. dmesg. lspci -vvn && lspci -v. etc.
[05:40] <NoelJB> anything interesting in the log files?
[05:41] <PersonA> I started an update to Fiesty. Was 3/4 of the way thru downloading the latest packages. I decided to stop the update. As most places stated not to update yet due to it not being stable yet. I restarted directly after this. When everything was restarted and loaded. The fonts are displayed in a block. Or Appears to be a block type font. No system fonts are readable now. Any suggestions or ideas to fix this ?
[05:41] <tmccrary> thelaser: I'm not a developer on the project, but I believe it had something to do with hard drive drivers? Specifically something with ata
[05:41] <M4ri00sh> mon^rch: i have the same problem with one of my machines, it just freezes ....
[05:41] <concept10> NoelJB: What log should I look at ?  the GDM log?  I cant paste right now.
[05:41] <Dekkard> sata :)
[05:41] <BluesKaj> mon^rch: reconfiguring xserver-xorg worked for me \
[05:41] <M4ri00sh> gave up on it
[05:41] <NoelJB> mon^rch: the 15-25 kernel booted up fine with my previous drivers, and then I rebuilt for the kernel.  again, I'm in a "unique" h/w environment from most, since I'm in VMware.
[05:41] <opopanax> ouch, PersonA
[05:42] <PersonA> Uh huh
[05:42] <jmichaelx> concept10: have you gotten the most recent updates?
[05:42] <mon^rch> M4ri00sh: I'm not freezing.... just no x :/
[05:42] <opopanax> PersonA: I'd go to a terminal and finish the update, reboot.
[05:42] <concept10> jmichaelx I said earlier, yes.
[05:42] <PersonA> Thank you.. I will attempt to do that
[05:43] <soweto76> odd that nvidia legacy no longer is listed in the Restricted Drivers Manager
[05:43] <jmichaelx> concept10: ok, because some of these updates have only been available for a short time
[05:43] <opopanax> i just took my laptop apart to see if I could upgrade my radeon chip.  Alas, no go.
[05:43] <concept10> crap. looks like im on my own.
[05:43] <opopanax> just bought this laptop, though, 200 on CL
[05:44] <mon^rch> M4ri00sh: funny thing is I WAS using the "15" kernel even with x... but I couldn't see one of my SATA... then I rebooted into "14" and updated the "15" kernel... and voila, no x...
[05:44] <opopanax> got a radeon mobility 9000
[05:44] <PersonA> One other question. If i have to dump everything. What's the best way to format a full linux partition ? Using something like Hiren's boot cd >
[05:44] <concept10> This has been the buggiest release ever.
[05:44] <jmichaelx>  concept10it has not been released
[05:44] <M4ri00sh> mon^rch:  :) have no clue what is goint on anyway :)
[05:44] <mon^rch> lol
[05:44] <thelaser> at least it's happening *before* release.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> opopanax: what are you trying to do ?
[05:44] <NoelJB> and you haven't mentioned if you've checked the logs and other things that were suggested to you.
[05:44] <jmichaelx> concept10: it has not been released. it is still beta
[05:45] <concept10> jmichaelx I fear the release with these bugs.
[05:45] <opopanax> PersonA: what do you mean format?
[05:45] <tmccrary> concept10: You should update the topic, so everyone knows the release is official and things can be moved to #ubuntu proper
[05:45] <opopanax> hold on, reboot.
[05:45] <opopanax> i have to reboot, rather, i'm not instructing anyone to reboot.
[05:45] <opopanax> don't trust me
[05:45] <mon^rch> at l;east my "14" kernel still works just fine... knocks on wood. (no, I'm not upgrading it again) :P
[05:46] <BluesKaj> I just got the 15 , seems fine
[05:46] <concept10> tmccrary I meant the buggiest testing release
[05:48] <opopanax> hmmm   how do i set my chanserv password in xchat-gnome???
[05:49] <Dekkard> heh
[05:49] <jtt> !archive
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <jtt> !info archive
[05:49] <ubotu> Package archive does not exist in feisty
[05:50] <mon^rch> "/nickserv register password"
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> muchas gracias crimsun
[05:50] <jtt> !info ubuntu-archive
[05:50] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-archive does not exist in feisty
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> i'm fat and almost happy now
[05:50] <mon^rch> nomasterjabba?
[05:50] <mon^rch> :P
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> dahut
[05:51] <soweto76> opopanax, Xchat -> Network List -> edit server
[05:51] <purpleposeidon> I think I got wireless fixed by booting an older kernel, but hopefully kde wont muck w/ it...
[05:51] <shirish> guys does anybody know how I can send a msg to somebody using memoserv
[05:52] <shirish> let's say using shirish as an e.g.
[05:52] <mon^rch> memoserv?
[05:52] <opopanax> soweto76: figured it out, but thanks!!!
[05:52] <crimsun> there's help for memoserv, too
[05:52] <opopanax> are you really from soweto?
[05:53] <shirish> crimsun: I tried that but somewhere my syntax seems to be getting wrong
[05:53] <thelaser> how likely is an RC tomorrow?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:53] <mon^rch> dang, I'm on this thing too much :P
[05:54] <soweto76> opopanax, 1976 Soweto uprising happens to be on the day and my birthday and Ubuntu seemed to have S.A. roots -- Canadian really.
[05:54] <Arko> I have just upgraded to .20-15 and it did not generate initrd.img and not created the lines in menu.lst. How to do that?
[05:54] <shirish> crimsun: its /msg Memoserv SEND <nick/channel> <msg> or something else?
[05:54] <PWill> Was the kernel bug fixed yet? The one that didn't let you boot?
[05:55] <shirish> crimsun: its "/msg Memoserv SEND <nick/channel> <message>" right?
[05:55] <NoelJB> PWill: working for me, but seems not everyone.
[05:55] <PWill> NoelJB: what kind of HD and processor?
[05:55] <NoelJB> Arko: no .15 lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:55] <mon^rch> lol
[05:55] <NoelJB> PWill: VMware.  386 and LSI SCSI
[05:55] <Arko> hmmm.
[05:55] <PWill> oh
[05:56] <Arko> NoelJB : how to boot into -15?
[05:56] <shirish> ok where can I get help about freenode?
[05:56] <PWill> well i'll wait another day then. thanks NoelJB
[05:56] <mon^rch> vmware wouldn't fullscreen in feisty for me :(
[05:56] <PWill> mon^rch: I'm sure VirtualBox would :)
[05:57] <mon^rch> PWill: hows virtualbox?
[05:57] <soweto76> shirish, http://freenode.net/policy.shtml
[05:57] <NoelJB> Arko: well, I've got 2 sets of the appropriate lines (one for normal, one for recovery) in my menu.lst
[05:57] <NoelJB> are you sure that apt-get installed it?
[05:57] <PWill> mon^rch: i love it. i just have an XP machine for developing stuff, and vista, just to try it out. (it's awful, obviously)
[05:57] <Arko> NoelJB : yep. I am sure.
[05:58] <BluesKaj> yeah sure
[05:58] <NoelJB> weird.  because that should have modified menu.lst for you, and installed the files under /boot
[05:58] <BluesKaj> anyway nite folks ...off to dreamland for me
[05:58] <Arko> that was I expected
[05:58] <NoelJB> Arko: you might as apt-get to resintall it.
[05:58] <NoelJB> s/as/ask/
[05:59] <Arko> gonna do that.
[05:59] <mon^rch> PWill: yeah, I didn't care for vista... at FIRST it was oooooo ahhhhhhhh bling, bling. but then it was do you want to do this, and do you want to do that, and are you sure and I cant see my ext3 partitions and, and, and
[05:59] <Arko> NoelJB : which packages I should reinstall?
[05:59] <phaidros> sady the -15 kernel also didnt fix the hibernation+nosound and the sleep+blackscreen issue :/
[06:00] <mon^rch> so is virtualbox free? ***perk***
[06:00] <purpleposeidon> yay, old kernel fixed it. ^_^
[06:01] <NoelJB> Arko: should be two headers packages and the linux image
[06:01] <Arko> hmmm
[06:02] <NoelJB> Arko: headers should be fine, but if image didn't work, I'm not trusting.  otherwise, just the image package.
[06:03] <NoelJB> linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[06:03] <mon^rch> oooooooooo virtualbox has a .deb :)
[06:03] <Arko> reinstalling
[06:03] <NoelJB> OK, I've been up since 04:00.  Time to call it a night.
[06:04] <pradeep> NoelJB, goodnight
[06:04] <mon^rch> PWill: I'm gonna check out virtualbox... :/
[06:04] <NoelJB> thanks
[06:04] <PWill> mon^rch: good luck :)
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> getting new kernel... 2.6.20-15.25
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i would guess this one is better
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:06] <mon^rch> noo-nee-noo, it's taking awhile to install...
[06:07] <johnficca> is the rc out yet?
[06:08] <sonoftheclayr> two kernel upgrades in one day? is this one good? -15?
[06:08] <binskipy2u> hopefully itll be fixed bofore next week
[06:08] <binskipy2u> when final comes out
[06:08] <binskipy2u> dont wanna have to install final and go thru dealing with a kernel issue
[06:09] <jtt> !archive
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <tmccrary> Feisty is nice
[06:13] <mon^rch> honestly, I think Ubuntu is a contendor for windows...
[06:13] <mon^rch> or will be
[06:13] <binskipy2u> i'm wiating for that guy that builds those buntu ultimate dvds
[06:13] <binskipy2u> to make one based on fiesty
[06:14] <iXneonXi> qwll
[06:19] <os2mac> What is the program that shows battery power in the command pormpt?
[06:19] <crdlb> os2mac, acpitool
[06:20] <joshua_> What does "HAL Failed to Hibernate" mean?
[06:20] <qsheets> I'm trying to setup a wide-screen resolution. I have an Intel D865GBF mobo that my screen is connected to.
[06:20] <joshua_> If I install hibernate from the command line, and sudo hibernate, it works fine
[06:20] <joshua_> (if I remove the nvidia module from the blacklist)
[06:20] <ankit> os2mac "acpi -b"
[06:21] <Arkadius> this is confusing
[06:21] <Arkadius> the update mgr shows the 14.24 kernel.. the description mentions 15.25...
[06:22] <iXneonXi> i dont trust kernel updates at the moment xD
[06:22] <iXneonXi> not after earlier
[06:22] <os2mac> what about in KDE?
[06:23] <Arkadius> yeah..maybe I'll wait till next week
[06:23] <qsheets> I'm trying to setup a wide-screen resolution. I have an Intel D865GBF mobo that my screen is connected to. Could someone please help me?
[06:23] <Arkadius> i have a feeling there will be another kernel update within a day or two
[06:24] <jtt> where are folks getting the latest kernel  2.6.20-15.25
[06:24] <shirish> jtt: which mirror are u using, the main or somewhere else?
[06:25] <jtt> shirish: i need the entire url path
[06:25] <shirish> jtt: its in the repos.
[06:25] <crdlb> jtt, drop the country code from your sources.list
[06:25] <jtt> shirish: and where is the repos
[06:26] <shirish> jtt: ok go to System > Administration > Software Sources, tell me what have u entered there for Server
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: main
[06:27] <qsheets> crdlb: can you help me?
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: ok i understand now
[06:27] <jtt> shirish: thanks
[06:28] <crdlb> qsheets, it's an intel video card?
[06:28] <shirish> jtt: I think you just need to reload the repo. then you will see the update
[06:28] <qsheets> it's off the mobo so i'd pressume
[06:28] <jtt> shirish: ok brb
[06:29] <crdlb> qsheets, install 915resolution
[06:29] <qsheets> crdlb: 915resolution didn't work when I tried it it said "Wrong Chipset"
[06:29] <crdlb> qsheets, glxinfo|grep VGA
[06:30] <Arko> got it working
[06:30] <Arko> wont upgrade anymore
[06:31] <qsheets> crdlb: doesn't do any thing
[06:31] <xtknight> anyone have a bug where opening a text file from Deskbar causes it go blank in gedit (possible data loss)?
[06:31] <Beta> Are they any more desktop effects planned?
[06:31] <crdlb> qsheets, lspci|grep VGA
[06:32] <qsheets> crdlb: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[06:32] <Beta> What's q's glitch?
[06:32] <crdlb> qsheets, you may have to do it manually with a modeline
[06:33] <xtknight> the 15-25 is the immune kernel, correct?
[06:33] <crdlb> !modeline
[06:33] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[06:33] <qsheets> how?
[06:33] <xtknight> use 'gtf' to generate modelines
[06:33] <Crazytom> how do you get dvds to play on feisty?
[06:33] <crimsun> !restricted >Crazytom
[06:34] <Beta> Crazy, I have been trying for a week to get DVDs to playback. Still not working.
[06:34] <iXneonXi> Beta
[06:34] <iXneonXi> tried medibuntu?
[06:35] <qsheets> if screen should be 1440x900 how do I do that?
[06:36] <Beta> Yeah IX, I've got libDVDcss2
[06:36] <iXneonXi> what media player u using?
[06:36] <crdlb> qsheets, lcd?
[06:36] <Beta> Tried both VLC and Totem.
[06:36] <qsheets> yeah
[06:36] <iXneonXi> ><;;
[06:36] <iXneonXi> right region code?
[06:37] <crdlb> qsheets, then: gtf 1440 900 60
[06:37] <crdlb> I think
[06:37] <Beta> How do I double check that? Also, this isn't the first time I've used my laptop, and I don't want to screw things up.
[06:38] <qsheets> now what?
[06:38] <crdlb> qsheets, the line goes in your monitor section
[06:38] <crdlb> of your xorg.conf
[06:39] <Beta> iX, what do you mean region code?
[06:39] <xtknight> i'm very surprised that widescreens are still not supported by default
[06:39] <Beta> Yeah, me too.
[06:39] <qsheets> me 3
[06:39] <crdlb> Xorg 7.3 should fix that
[06:39] <Beta> Good.
[06:39] <xtknight> what's wrong with the current Xorg?
[06:39] <crdlb> in Gutsy
[06:40] <xtknight> grab native resolution from EDID :|
[06:40] <iXneonXi> Beta, dvd players have region codes
[06:40] <iXneonXi> it might need to be set
[06:40] <qsheets> k done
[06:40] <Beta> But shouldn't it be set already? I've run this mechine under windows before, shouldn't that have set it?
[06:40] <crdlb> static configuration and hacky autodetection << that's what's wrong with current Xorg
[06:40] <Beta> Plus, its an onboard DVD player.
[06:40] <xtknight> ahh
[06:40] <iXneonXi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2343821
[06:40] <xtknight> anyone got  xinerama working in ubuntu?
[06:41] <qsheets> should i reboot or what?
[06:41] <crdlb> qsheets, restart X
[06:41] <Beta> Yeah, see, that's not even worth it.
[06:41] <qsheets> how?
[06:42] <crdlb> qsheets, log out, then ctrl+alt+bksp from the login screen
[06:42] <qsheets> soz I'm new at Linux
[06:44] <yamathan> It seems that 2.6.20-15 is downloading by default now.
[06:44] <yamathan> Good.
[06:46] <qsheets> crdlb: didn't work
[06:46] <TheMystic> so, no RC yet? waiting on SATA fixes?
[06:47] <crdlb> qsheets, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:47] <crdlb> !pastebin
[06:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:47] <tmccrary> they're in I believe
[06:47] <TheMystic> i grabbed beta ISOs yesterday to try out, but was really looking for RC
[06:47] <iXneonXi> TheMystic: keep running update manager
[06:47] <iXneonXi> xD
[06:48] <qsheets> # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[06:48] <qsheets> # values from the debconf database.
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
[06:48] <qsheets> # (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <TheMystic> well, i was hoping for RC live CD, really :)
[06:48] <qsheets> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[06:48] <qsheets> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[06:48] <qsheets> # package.
[06:48] <qsheets> #
[06:48] <qsheets> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[06:48] <qsheets> # again, run the following command:
[06:48] <qsheets> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:48] <Crazytom> crimsun, that tut you gave me for dvds is not working
[06:48] <qsheets> Section "Files"
[06:48] <TheMystic> wasn't quite ready to upgrade my installed system
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[06:48] <TheMystic> but maybe i'll brave it tonight
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
[06:48] <qsheets> 	# path to defoma fonts
[06:48] <shirish> qsheets is flodding the channel, help
[06:48] <qsheets> 	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
[06:48] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:48] <qsheets> Section "Module"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"i2c"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"bitmap"
[06:49] <Naddiseo> !ubotu flood
[06:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"ddc"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"dri"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"extmod"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"freetype"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"glx"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"int10"
[06:49] <Naddiseo> !ubotu flood > qsheets
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"type1"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Load	"vbe"
[06:49] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:49] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Driver		"kbd"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
[06:49] <iXneonXi> i think
[06:49] <iXneonXi> it's stuck
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"XkbOptions"	"lv3:ralt_switch"
[06:49] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:49] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:49] <crimsun> Crazytom: more detail?
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Driver		"mouse"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ExplorerPS/2"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[06:49] <qsheets> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[06:50] <qsheets> EndSection
[06:50] <qsheets> Section "InputDevice"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Driver        "wacom"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Identifier    "stylus"
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option        "Device"        "/dev/wacom"          # Change to
[06:50] <qsheets>                                                       # /dev/input/event
[06:50] <qsheets>                                                       # for USB
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option        "Type"          "stylus"
[06:50] <Crazytom> crimsun, i've tried all three of those pages and my dvds still won't play
[06:50] <qsheets>   Option
[06:50] <qsheets> sorry
[06:50] <qsheets>  /clear will help you
[06:50] <Crazytom> someone kick him please?
[06:50] <Beta> !pastebin qsheets
[06:50] <Nubbie> qsheets. :\
[06:51] <Nubbie> so the 403 error is ubuntu saving me from updating to a horribly broken kernel. question answered, thanks for catching it so soon.
[06:51] <Crazytom> crimsun, i've installed gxine and totem-xine and i tried getting all the gstreamer plugins with totem-gstreamer
[06:52] <Crazytom> crimsun, gxine states No demuxer found - stream format not recognised
[06:52] <qsheets> sorry
[06:52] <crimsun> Crazytom: did you install libdvdcss2?
[06:52] <Crazytom> i believe so let me check
[06:53] <qsheets> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15488/
[06:54] <qsheets> better? ;)
[06:55] <Crazytom> crimsun, i don't see that package in synaptic and apt-get says it can't find it but i have installed libdvdread3
[06:55] <cps1966> libqt3-mt 3:3.3.8really3.3.7
[06:55] <qsheets> crdlb?
[06:56] <Crazytom> crimsun, i beleive libdvdcss2 is a part of libdvdread3
[06:57] <cps1966> !libdvdread3
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libdvdread3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:58] <crdlb> qsheets, you need to actually add "1440x900" to the front of the Modes list for Depth 24
[06:58] <cps1966> !libdvdcss
[06:58] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[06:58] <crimsun> Crazytom: it's not. It's a separate source & binary.
[06:59] <Arkadius> well. 2.6.12 booted
[06:59] <Arkadius> 15 rather
[06:59] <qsheets> kk
[06:59] <Arkadius> and my ghost is still here
[06:59] <compengi> !seen DBO
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen dbo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <tonyyarusso> compengi: use seenserv
[07:01] <Arkadius> does this new kernel boot faster?
[07:01] <qsheets> crdlb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15489/
[07:01] <Crazytom> crimsun, i have universal repos enabled but it's not finding the libdvdcss2
[07:01] <crdlb> qsheets, exactly
[07:02] <crimsun> Crazytom: because we can't include it. It's not in the Ubuntu repositories.
[07:02] <cps1966> multiverse
[07:02] <Crazytom> crimsun, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/libdvdread3
[07:02] <qsheets> Now restart x?
[07:02] <Crazytom> i have them all enabled
[07:02] <crimsun> Crazytom: libdvdread3 != libdvdcss
[07:02] <Crazytom> read the page.... it says that libdvdcss2 is not available
[07:03] <qsheets> brb
[07:03] <Crazytom> if it's not in the repos where do i get it
[07:03] <Nubbie> ubuntu+2 should be named giddy geezers. who's with me on that?
[07:03] <crimsun> Crazytom: I compiled a 1.2.9 Debian source package in an Ubuntu Feisty pbuilder.
[07:04] <crimsun> Nubbie: 'g' != 'h'
[07:04] <crdlb> !libdvdcss
[07:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:04] <Crazytom> crimsun, uhhhh?
[07:04] <Crazytom> thnak you
[07:04] <crdlb> has he made a repo for feisty?
[07:05] <Nubbie> thoggen is a good program to back up dvds with.
[07:05] <Crazytom> no
[07:06] <Crazytom> should i try one from edgy?
[07:07] <qsheets> crdlb: didn't work again
[07:11] <crdlb> qsheets, I don't know then, sorry
[07:11] <qsheets> :(
[07:12] <qsheets> alrigh c ya later
[07:12] <Crazytom> ok i installed libdvdcss2 from edgy.  it installed with no errors but did still doesn't work
[07:12] <Crazytom> *dvd not did
[07:13] <billy> it's amazing how much smoother than an upgrade a clean install runs.
[07:14] <crdlb> I did a clean install from a dapper install that was completely screwed up
[07:14] <crdlb> and it works great
[07:14] <neptunepink> linux rot? :/
[07:14] <billy> crdlb, dapper straight to feisty?
[07:14] <crdlb> more like ubuntu rot
[07:15] <crdlb> billy, wasn't a fan of edgy
[07:15] <Crazytom> what do i do now?
[07:15] <crdlb> and this wasn't my computer
[07:15] <billy> crdlb, wow.
[07:15] <Nubbie> edgy was kinda uneventful.
[07:15] <Nubbie> glad i've moved on ;)
[07:16] <Nubbie> and i hope that that beagle update reigned in that puppy, it was filing away at a mad pace, kept hogging all my cpu and ram.
[07:16] <Crazytom> did you guys give up?
[07:16] <tmccrary> dude, that's just beagle :)
[07:17] <crdlb> tracker > beagle
[07:17] <tmccrary> yeah, tracker is so much better
[07:18] <Nubbie> nah beagle before i upgraded to feisty was fine, but afterwards it was crazy for a bit.
[07:18] <billy> crdlb, speaking of beagle, is it normal for it's indexer to be using 99% of the processor.
[07:18] <tmccrary> lol yeah. Beagle conviently turns my dual core system back into a single core system
[07:18] <tmccrary> Its like magic!
[07:18] <Crazytom> crimsun, so what do i do after i install libdvdcss2?
[07:18] <Nubbie> absolutely not, which was the problem. they released an update which was supposed to calm that down. try restarting beagle billy.
[07:18] <billy> LOL.  I think I'll kill it.
[07:19] <crimsun> Crazytom: you restart the multimedia app.
[07:19] <Nubbie> Crazytom: :o
[07:19] <billy> Nubbie, killall beagle?
[07:19] <Crazytom> No demuxer found - stream format not recognised.
[07:20] <Crazytom> Totem cannot play this type of media (DVD) because you do not have the appropriate plugins to handle it.
[07:20] <billy> Crazytom, just use vlc.  :)
[07:20] <crimsun> Crazytom: did you install totem-xine, or are you still using totem-gstreamer?
[07:21] <Crazytom> i've tried both
[07:21] <billy> how do I kill a process if I know it's PID?
[07:21] <Nubbie> tracker supports file tagging???
[07:21] <billy> Crazytom, have you read this?
[07:21] <billy> !dvd | Crazytom
[07:21] <ubotu> Crazytom: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:22] <Crazytom> billy, yes i have.  it's for edgy although
[07:23] <billy> Crazytom, I use Feisty and it worked for me. :)  Couldn't ever get totem working though.    Hey, what do I know?
[07:24] <orangey> Are they stored anywhere? Or must I figure out git?
[07:24] <Nubbie> make sure you have all of the gstreamer plugins installed.
[07:25] <Nubbie> orangey: edit your grub list to boot your old kernel.
[07:25] <billy> Is there a plugin for Rhythmbox that'll enable seamless CD playback?
[07:25] <orangey> Nubbie: I've already gotten rid of it, sadly
[07:25] <crimsun> orangey: librarian stores older binaries.
[07:26] <crimsun> orangey: and read the alsa download page if you're unclear what I'm referring to concerning hg.
[07:26] <orangey> crimsun: ok.
[07:27] <orangey> crimsun: thanks. Found librarian.. You're like Yoda : )
[07:27] <ash211> dpkg is having trouble in the dist-upgrade to feisty
[07:27] <ash211> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15494/
[07:27] <ash211> could someone please help me?
[07:27] <ash211> thats my bash output
[07:27] <Nubbie> ash211: read the thing at the top of the IRC channel.
[07:28] <billy> ash211, as a little aside; it really is worth it to do a clean install, but I'll see if I can help your situation.  :)
[07:28] <Nubbie> ash211: theres kernel problems going on right now.
[07:28] <ash211> its not kernel
[07:28] <Crazytom> thanks for all the help guys
[07:28] <billy> Crazytom, get it working?
[07:28] <Crazytom> somehow it kicked me out but i'm still logged in as crazytom
[07:28] <Nubbie> ash211: first off, let me suggest you try using update manager to do upgrades.
[07:28] <Crazytom> wtf?
[07:28] <Crazytom> yes it's working
[07:28] <ash211> billy: I would have preferred a clean install but I was testing the update manager in kubuntu
[07:28] <Crazytom> thanks
[07:29] <billy> Crazytom, you signed as a different name in #ubuntu?
[07:29] <Crazytom> yeah
[07:29] <ash211> Nubbie: I was using it but then it needed a ncurses input on libssl, and didn seem to be taking my input
[07:29] <billy> Crazytom, that explains it.  You know how to change it so vlc starts automatically right?
[07:29] <Crazytom> it booted me and then let me back in
[07:29] <orangey> so, is there a release date for feisty? How come the kernel is frozen?
[07:30] <Crazytom> what when a dvd is put in?
[07:30] <crimsun> DanaG: ladspa hook.
[07:30] <Nubbie> it was messing up kid's SATA drives.
[07:30] <Nubbie> :l
[07:30] <Crazytom> yeah i can figure that out
[07:30] <billy> Crazytom, yeah.  it's fairly simple.  "removable drives and media" or someodd.
[07:30] <Hobbsee> ash211: the problem is
[07:30] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmtp5_0.1.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:30] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/mtp-albumart', which is also in package libmtp
[07:30] <Crazytom> yeah
[07:30] <DanaG> I figured out the downmixing for onboard audio device.
[07:30] <ash211> Hobbsee: I saw that they were conflicting, but I wasnt sure the command to fix it
[07:31] <jtt> orangey: april 19th  kernel frozen except for biggies so they can get the final testing done and release on time
[07:31] <billy> Any music players that allow seamless CD playback (no gaps in the tracks)?
[07:31] <Nubbie> billy: banshee
[07:31] <Hobbsee> ash211: use --force-overwrite
[07:31] <billy> Nubbie, cool. thanks.  :)
[07:31] <crimsun> =)
[07:31] <Crazytom> billy, what would the command be i'm still not sure where the programs are kept
[07:31] <ash211> apt-get dist-upgrade --force-overwrite ?
[07:31] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i dont upload libmtp
[07:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: right. your fault! ponies!
[07:32] <Hobbsee> ash211: sorry, sudo dpkg -i /path/of/deb.deb --force-overwrite
[07:32] <billy> Crazytom, vlc %m
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh
[07:32] <Crazytom> thanks
[07:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: fix it, then
[07:32] <ash211> will try.  thanks Hobbsee
[07:32] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no ponies.
[07:33] <orangey> jtt: I see. Well, it seems that there is a regression in one aspect of the kernel which resulted from -14 (fixed through at least -10, and possibly later). Does that mean that it won't make it because it's sound (not a "biggie")?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yes ponies
[07:34] <crimsun> ash211: where did you get libmtp?
[07:34] <crimsun> because that's most certainly not a Ubuntu binary package.
[07:35] <ash211> now that I think about it, I think I installed that from source trying to enable mtp in amarok a while back
[07:35] <Hobbsee> edgy version was libmtp2
[07:35] <crimsun> "from source" meaning checkinstalled/aliened?
[07:35] <ash211> ./configure; make; sudo make install
[07:35] <jtt> orangey: cant say for sure up to release team at ubuntu now they release in five more days time is short
[07:35] <DanaG> USB Mass Storage.
[07:35] <ash211> mustve been checkinstalled then
[07:36] <billy> Nubbie, you still here?
[07:36] <ash211> yeah, thats what I get for leaving apt
[07:36] <billy> darn
[07:36] <Hobbsee> ash211: idneed.
[07:36] <orangey> jtt: gotcha. thanks.
[07:37] <crimsun> ash211: may you be forever punished by Hobbsee's pointy stick of doom.
[07:37] <jtt> orangey: np
[07:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:37] <ash211> ha
[07:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ash211 tends to test a lot for kubuntu
[07:37] <DanaG> Time to play "Irritating Stick"
[07:37] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritating_Stick
[07:37] <XenSA> any one get a X cannot start error permission denied?
[07:38] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ja
[07:38] <ash211> more amarok than kubuntu in general, but I say probably mess with the system more than I should
[07:39] <ash211> my xkbmap is messed up now, thats why my apostrophes are coming in odd
[07:40] <crimsun> they look "dignified".
[07:40] <billy> Anyone know banshee plugin name to enable seamless playback?
[07:40] <orangey> hmmm..
[07:40] <ash211> I guess you could say so crimsun
[07:40] <orangey> crimsun: has make-kpkg changed the way it handles configs now?
[07:41] <orangey> it seems like it keeps going for new configs for some reason.
[07:41] <crimsun> orangey: err, why are you using make-kpkg?
[07:41] <orangey> err. old configs.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: I'm making the "working" kernel.
[07:41] <DanaG> odd, aptitude wants -14
[07:41] <crimsun> orangey: ...why? librarian has the /binaries/.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: Bug #75398 has instructions that I wrote for it.
[07:41] <ubotu> Malone bug 75398 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Regression: Fan does not come on due to ACPI problems" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75398
[07:41] <DanaG> because linux-image-generic depends on it.
[07:41] <orangey> crimsun: it needed to be patched.
[07:42] <crimsun> orangey: what patches?
[07:42] <orangey> crimsun: The deal: -10 with the patch diff I have there suspends successfully with sound. starting in -14, suspend works, but no sound.
[07:42] <orangey> crimsun: I think the SHAs are there in response to ben's query. Basically patches to make suspend work..
[07:43] <orangey> (on those systems)
[07:43] <Kubuntulator> /me looks a topic
[07:43] <Kubuntulator> so has feisty been delayed ?
[07:44] <ash211> i thought just the rc
[07:44] <ash211> has there been news?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> rc only, most likely
[07:44] <jtt> I heard the RC was 4/12/07
[07:45] <Hobbsee> jtt: it was
[07:45] <Kubuntulator> ahh ok
[07:45] <Hobbsee> ash211: havent seen anything on ubuntu-devel ML, about feisty release
[07:45] <billy> is there any music player that doesn't put gaps between tracks?
[07:46] <Kubuntulator> so should still hold out befor i update from edgy ?
[07:46] <ash211> I hadnt either, thats why I was wondering
[07:46] <jtt> unless there is major problem the release is sched for 4/19/07 per current rel sched
[07:46] <Hobbsee> Kubuntulator: could be smart.  depends on your hardware
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: that's not at all an alsa bug.
[07:47] <Kubuntulator> what's the update success rate been so far ?
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: it's much as I suspected; alsa has nothing to do with the suspend issue.
[07:47] <jtt> Kubuntulator: put it on another partiton by it self and boot and check it
[07:47] <Hobbsee> fine, as long as you dont have of the affected lots of hardware....
[07:47] <crimsun> orangey: (it's blatantly obvious to me, as I maintain that subsystem)
[07:48] <orangey> crimsun: right. I'm reasonably sure I never personally brought out alsa as the suspect or culprit, though I have no grounds to include it or exclude it.
[07:48] <Kubuntulator> i've got a 1.7g centrino lappy with 9600 ATI in it
[07:48] <crimsun> orangey: I have grounds to exclude it. We've not changed /any/ suspend/resume/power code in sound/*
[07:48] <Kubuntulator> intel wifi
[07:48] <orangey> crimsun: however, it seemed to me like your suggestion was to see if the alsa changes were responsible (i.e., make sure the working kernel still works with the concomitant alsa changes or what not)
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: fair enough
[07:49] <crimsun> orangey: precisely.
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: the real question for me, though, is where to hunt for this..
[07:49] <crimsun> orangey: I recommend git-bisect.
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: especially given that I should be considered a user, not a programmer..
[07:49] <orangey> crimsun: ok.
[07:49] <XenSA> any one get a X cannot start error permission denied? /tmp/.X11-unix
[07:50] <orangey> crimsun: interesting program..
[07:50] <jtt> Kubuntulator: didnt see your HD size  do you have enough disk space for separate feisty install
[07:50] <orangey> alright.. I'll continue tomorrow..
[07:51] <orangey> nightie all!
[07:51] <orangey> crimsun: thanks for the help
[07:51] <jtt> orangey: bye
[07:51] <orangey> bye jtt : )
[07:52] <DanaG> What are backports-modules?
[07:52] <DanaG> Something for after release, apparently....
[07:53] <DanaG> Hmm, I can find how to do lowpass on LFE, but I also need to match it with a highpass on everything else.
[07:53] <noname`> Does the beryl update from the universal repo still kill anyone using an ATI x1400-x1800?
[07:55] <Kubuntulator> jtt: i would have enought space
[07:56] <Kubuntulator> still getting a feel for linux in general
[07:56] <jtt> Kubuntulator: then perhaps that is the way to go you could down the  daily a/o 4/12/07 iso burn it and load it up in spare partition
[07:56] <crdlb> noname`, yes
[07:57] <crdlb> you have to pin beryl-project's beryl-core
[07:57] <Hobbsee> dont use hte daily - wait for the RC, or use the beta
[07:57] <Kubuntulator> nar i'll wait for rls
[07:57] <jtt> Kubuntulator: right
[07:59] <noname`> crdlb: Alright thanks, just curous.
[07:59] <Kubuntulator> want to try the upgrade when its ready i'm doing a linux stabillity test so i would like to find out how good official UG's are going to be :-)
[08:00] <Kubuntulator> would you compare upgrading from edgy to feisty to say doing an XP to vista upgrade or would it be more like installing a service pack ?
[08:01] <DanaG> Where are the docs for ladspa?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> Kubuntulator: the former
[08:02] <mon^rch> who introduced me to virtualbox?
[08:03] <mon^rch> PWill: you still here?
[08:03] <PWill> yep
[08:04] <mon^rch> quick question.... can I allocate all my vid memory to a virtualbox vm?
[08:04] <Kubuntulator> if thats the case there would be more stabillity doing a fresh install rather than an upgrade
[08:05] <bdgraue> my pc don't start anymore since the upgrade 12 hours ago :-(
[08:07] <jtt> Kubuntulator: personally I never upgrade kernel to kernel i always fresh install
[08:08] <noname`> Quick question about beryl. I've got white boxes around info boxes that pop up...
[08:08] <Beta> I'm having trouble updating.
[08:08] <noname`> Anyone had that before and fixed it?
[08:08] <jtt> Kubuntulator: but i only fully upgrade after the latest release has been out about 1 month the rest of the time the test the betas etc. on non production partitions
[08:09] <Hobbsee> noname`: ask in #beryl
[08:09] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: see topic.  chroot in, and ugprade.  or boot to an older kernel, and upgrade
[08:09] <concept10> Anyone experiencing a problem where the GDM login screen is locking up?
[08:10] <jussi01> concept10, see topic
[08:10] <concept10> I cant get past this problem
[08:10] <concept10> jussi01: topic doesnt help none
[08:10] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i allready chrooted and just tried an uprgade, it says there is nothing to upgrade
[08:11] <XenSA> can someone please tell me how to make my /tmp directory writable i have tried chmod 1777 and it still gives me cannot acces tmp and i am logged as root
[08:11] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: does it say packages kept back?
[08:11] <concept10> How do I debug GDM problems?
[08:11] <Kubuntulator> yeah i just doing general linux testing on a partition on my lappy atm my main pc is a file server for XBMC :-) and i wont be taking XP pro off there until i 100% happy with linux and can move about seemlesly in the OS i chose to stick with
[08:12] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: no
[08:12] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: odd.
[08:12] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: i get the packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: is the latest kernel (-15) actually installed?
[08:12] <jussi01> Hobbsee, maybe he's on a +1 server
[08:12] <Hobbsee> ahh, de. might nto be updated yet
[08:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee, yeah, that
[08:13] <concept10> Does anyone know what the vague topic is talking about with the "not booting" stuff?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: :)
[08:13] <Beta> Any one else having troubles installing the updates?
[08:13] <XenSA> what to what to do if /tmp seems corrupt???
[08:13] <Hobbsee> !breakage | concept10
[08:13] <ubotu> concept10: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[08:13] <Hobbsee> Beta: see the /topic
[08:13] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: where can i get the _good stuff_ ?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> concept10: although it's now fixed
[08:14] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: archive.u.c - take the de. out
[08:14] <concept10> I can boot, but my GDM freezes.  I checked launchpad to no avail. this sucks.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> concept10: use kdm?
[08:15] <Beta> Hobbsee, I was asking in general, to see if I have something wrong with my personal network.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> or xdm?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> Beta: there are some problems, which have been fixed now, but may not be at all mirrors yet. so, yes.
[08:15] <jussi01> Hobbsee, do you know where all the archive server address are listed along with how much delay they have?
[08:15] <Beta> Ok. Cool. I'll try again tomorrow morning.
[08:15] <Hobbsee> !mirror | jussi01
[08:15] <ubotu> jussi01: Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[08:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: to the second?  no
[08:16] <jojoman02> is the RC released?
[08:16] <jussi01> thanks Hobbsee ... I remeber one page that had +1 day or such written on it...
[08:16] <jojoman02> i'm guessing not...
[08:16] <jussi01> jojoman02, no
[08:17] <Hobbsee> jojoman02: it's not in the topic, so no
[08:17] <concept10> This release is going to be horrible, I can feel it
[08:17] <jojoman02> i don't think it's going to be horrible...
[08:17] <doug1> i don't either
[08:17] <jussi01> concept10, nah, its gonna be great - these problems are a good thing now
[08:17] <jojoman02> they got 10 days
[08:17] <Hobbsee> concept10: would you happen to be out of space?
[08:17] <concept10> 10 days
[08:18] <jojoman02> plus there are always a couple of quirks on the final
[08:18] <bdgraue> Hobbsee: thx for you engagement u are a great help, it seems to work here, i'm getting 2.6.20-15 right now :-)
[08:18] <doug1> 10 days? i thought it was coming out the 17th?
[08:18] <jojoman02> hence the reason for updates
[08:18] <Hobbsee> bdgraue: :)
[08:18] <Hobbsee> doug1: 19th.  was never on the 17th
[08:18] <snowpunk98> So if I wanted to create a user that can basically only log in and not sudo things can I do that
[08:18] <Hobbsee> well, the week of
[08:18] <concept10> Hobbsee: yes, I happen to be out of space... in Windows XP because GDM freezes
[08:18] <doug1> oh i see
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: that's why.  log in with a VT, adn delete some stuff
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: yes, there's a bug filed over it
[08:19] <bdgraue> and thanks to someone else who told me a week ago how too chroot a damaged sys :-)
[08:19] <concept10> Over GDM?
[08:19] <jojoman02> err 15 days sorry...
[08:19] <Hobbsee> concept10: over GDM not letting you login when you're out of space, yes.
[08:19] <jussi01> Hobbsee, Im on the finnish server which seems to be a day behind. I just updated to the -14 kernel... Im scared to restart. do you know which server in europe would be up to date? or should i use a different one...
[08:19] <elubie> I had that problem yesterday, but unfortunately since then the binary nvidia driver install doesn't work. I did reconfigure xorg to use 'nv' for the moment. Is this a known issue? Any info on that?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> was discussed on ubuntu-devel a while ago too, iirc.
[08:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: archive.ubuntu.com - you can have multiple mirrors in your sources list, though
[08:20] <concept10> Hobbsee: out of disk space?  heh, I thought you meant outer space
[08:20] <Hobbsee> elubie: you have to recompile the binary nvidia module every time the kernel updates.  this is normal
[08:20] <billy> Any recommendations for a PDF editor?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> (with an api bump)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> concept10: meant out of disk space :P
[08:21] <jojoman02> anyone know why the RC isn't out yet?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> jojoman02: bug
[08:21] <Hobbsee> s
[08:21] <concept10> Hobbsee: no, theres at least a gig in root
[08:21] <Hobbsee> concept10: and in /home?