[00:00] <fatharrahman> yes i got a frigg I thought it i person
[00:00] <szczur> then this nick is registered by someone else
[00:00] <fatharrahman> waw
[00:08] <fatharrahman> I went to pidgin and joined ubuntu beginners but I can not follow any thing it is a mess there
[00:08] <Dazza71> hi guys anyone know how I can get my web cam to work ?
[00:08] <Dazza71> its an IT Works one
[00:08] <Dazza71> PCW Panda 9B
[00:09] <fatharrahman> I want to know if am in the same room this room there but how  no one answer there
[00:10] <szczur> fatharrahman, you should see a nick list
[00:10] <szczur> at the right side of the windows
[00:10] <szczur> -s
[00:11] <szczur> and of course name is shown att the top
[00:11] <fatharrahman> official ubuntu support channel is it ?
[00:11] <fatharrahman> 1419 people talking there
[00:11] <szczur> nope
[00:11] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:11] <szczur> you've joined #ubuntu
[00:11] <szczur> you should join #ubuntu-beginners
[00:12] <fatharrahman> oh my God
[00:12] <fatharrahman> thanks
[00:12] <szczur> :)
[00:13] <fatharrahman> szczur
[00:13] <fatharrahman> it say
[00:13] <szczur> yeah?
[00:13] <fatharrahman> no such channel
[00:13] <fatharrahman> I coppied your words
[00:14] <geirha_> You're talking in #ubuntu-beginners right now
[00:14] <szczur> you wrote
[00:14] <szczur> /join #ubuntu-beginners
[00:14] <szczur> ?
[00:14] <fatharrahman> I am through xchat
[00:14] <szczur> geirha_, he want to use pidgin
[00:15] <fatharrahman> I can not save it in xchat so I would like to log in through pidgin
[00:15] <geirha_> Oh, sorry, should have read the backlog :)
[00:15] <szczur> fatharrahman, what you cannot save in xchat?
[00:16] <fatharrahman> I don't know how or if it possible?
[00:16] <fatharrahman> every time I search
[00:16] <Dazza71> sorry guys anyone help me install my webcam or am I in the wrong room ?
[00:16] <fatharrahman> to get in here
[00:17] <szczur> you want to get here by default?
[00:17] <fatharrahman> what is the backlog?
[00:17] <fatharrahman> yes
[00:17] <szczur> fatharrahman, File > Server list
[00:17] <szczur> search for freenode
[00:17] <szczur> click on edit > in favourite channels write #ubuntu-beginners
[00:18] <szczur> close, close xchat and run it again
[00:18] <szczur> ahh, one nmore thing
[00:19] <geirha_> fatharrahman: The backlog is the part that is not currently shown in your irc client. E.g. you need to scroll up (or back) to see it.
[00:19] <fatharrahman> there is no tab named edit
[00:19] <szczur> in edit window tick "connect with this network at startup"
[00:19] <szczur> fatharrahman, in File >Network list
[00:19] <szczur> click there
[00:19] <fatharrahman> no file
[00:19] <szczur> and you will se server list the same as in startup
[00:19] <szczur> aaahh, sorry
[00:20] <szczur> XChat
[00:20] <fatharrahman> there is Xchat then View
[00:20] <szczur> XChat > Network list
[00:20] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:20] <fatharrahman> yes
[00:20] <szczur> it is in the same place as File in every program :P
[00:20] <fatharrahman> sorry
[00:20] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:20] <szczur> so just by default i said File :P
[00:20] <fatharrahman> a beginner's mind sorry
[00:21] <szczur> so now, search for freenode, click edit
[00:21] <fatharrahman> yes open network list
[00:21] <szczur> stick "Conect with this network automatically" and in favourities write #ubuntu-beginners
[00:22] <szczur> click close and in server list window tick "Skip network list at startup"
[00:22] <szczur> close, close Xchat and run it again
[00:23] <szczur> it should connect with this channel at startup, without any other windows shown
[00:23] <Dazza71> hi is there a room to help with installing webcams
[00:23] <szczur> Dazza71, try at #ubuntu
[00:23] <fatharrahman> irc.freenode.net/8001 here?
[00:23] <szczur> DarkJuju, but stay here as well :)
[00:23] <Dazza71> tried it only me in the room
[00:24] <szczur> DarkJuju, on #ubuntu?
[00:24] <geirha_> Dazza71: Webcams either work "out of the box", or they're hell to get working. :/
[00:24] <szczur> fatharrahman, on favouritie rooms
[00:24] <Dazza71> yes i know got me brother printer to work so happy just need webcam now
[00:24] <fatharrahman> ok
[00:25] <szczur> fatharrahman, wait i'll make a screenshot :)
[00:25] <szczur> so you wont break something :)
[00:25] <fatharrahman> it only gave me the above link
[00:25] <fatharrahman> I'll try again
[00:25] <geirha_> Dazza71: Is it connected via USB, or built in?
[00:25] <Dazza71> its a usb one
[00:26] <geirha_> Dazza71: Then I'd run: lsusb
[00:27] <Dazza71> ok and what does that do
[00:27] <geirha_> Identify the line corresponding to your webcam, then google for ubuntu plus everything after the colon on that line
[00:27] <fatharrahman> there is a space for favorite  channel should I write ubuntu-beginners in it then close?
[00:27] <geirha_> Dazza71: It outputs everything connected to your usb ports.
[00:27] <szczur> fatharrahman, yes, #ubuntu-beginners
[00:28] <szczur> don't forget about the #
[00:28] <geirha_> Dazza71: On my system lsusb output, among other lines, Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1241:1166 Belkin MI-2150 Trust Mouse
[00:28] <Dazza71> ok i can see me printer etc but not sure if microdia is me web cam
[00:28] <geirha_> That's the USB mouse I'm using.
[00:28] <Dazza71> shows keyboard mouse usb hub
[00:29] <Dazza71> my web cam is IT works one
[00:29] <Dazza71> nothing special but i know it works
[00:29] <geirha_> Dazza71: The "hubs" are usb ports where nothing is connected
[00:30] <szczur> fatharrahman, and in Server List window tick "skip server list at startup" just below the list of server
[00:30] <Dazza71> microdia what is that ?
[00:30] <Dazza71> thats on one of the lines
[00:30] <geirha_> Dazza71: Possibly the manufacturer of your webcam
[00:32] <Dazza71> i googled that and its the flash memory card
[00:33] <Dazza71> why do u think my usb flash drive,printers etc show up but my webcam doesn't
[00:33] <geirha_> Do you currently have a flash memory card connected on a USB port?
[00:34] <Dazza71> yes i do
[00:34] <Dazza71> according to that cmd
[00:34] <geirha_> If I google «ubuntu microdia» I get hits about webcams
[00:35] <Dazza71> really ?
[00:36] <szczur> Dazza71, can you paste the output of lsusb to pastebin.com
[00:37] <Dazza71> sorry is that a website ?
[00:37] <szczur> yes
[00:37] <geirha_> If you disconnect all usb devices except the webcam, that would be helpful.
[00:37] <geirha_> (though not absolutely necessary)
[00:38] <Dazza71> ok how do u see what i have pasted to that site
[00:38] <szczur> DarkJuju, and give us the link after clicking submit so we can see what is the output of lsusb
[00:38] <szczur> DarkJuju, click on submit and give us the link
[00:38] <szczur> kdamn
[00:38] <szczur> double tab fail :(
[00:38] <Dazza71> http://pastebin.com/ve92rj0a
[00:40] <fatharrahman> hi
[00:40] <fatharrahman> szczur
[00:41] <fatharrahman> it doesn't work still i need to search within the long list to get in here
[00:41] <szczur> fatharrahman, yeah, i frgot to say about ticking "autoconnect to this server at startup" in the edit screen
[00:41] <fatharrahman> oh
[00:41] <szczur> fatharrahman, http://szczur.ath.cx/sshots/xchat
[00:41] <szczur> set it similar to this
[00:42] <szczur> you have two images there
[00:43] <Dazza71> on lunix can u see what devices u have installed
[00:44] <Dazza71> linux (sorry)
[00:45] <geirha_> Dazza71: Applications -> Ubuntu Software Center ->  search for « lshw-gtk »
[00:46] <fatharrahman> it is the same do you mean hedgewars ? the same looks
[00:47] <fatharrahman> do you mean to write ubuntu-beginners twice?
[00:48] <geirha_> Dazza71: Once installed, hit Alt+F2 to run  « gksudo lshw-gtk »
[00:49] <Dazza71> ok
[00:51] <geirha_> Hm. Or maybe not. I was so sure it would list hardware connected via USB, but testing it now, it doesn't appear to do that :/
[00:52] <fatharrahman> to day my ubuntu made a restart without me to restart it for the first time
[00:52] <Dazza71> oh right
[00:54] <Dazza71> so how come my usb flahs drive works but not the web cam
[00:54] <Dazza71> flash *
[00:54] <Dazza71> or any other external usb device
[00:54] <fatharrahman> I tried to make I fsck but the terminal threatened me
[00:56] <fatharrahman> what should I do especially if I said it hang up after typing password and alt+ctrl+f2 does not work so i needed to restart
[00:56] <Dazza71> sorry i mean all my external usb devices all work except the webcam
[00:56] <fatharrahman> then enter through safe mode
[00:57] <fatharrahman> sorry it is a long story
[00:59] <fatharrahman> ?
[00:59] <fatharrahman> I'll rephrase it again
[01:00] <geirha_> Dazza71: Typically that's because the manufacturer don't provide drivers for linux and/or don't want to provide the necesary information needed for the linux community to make proper drivers for it.
[01:00] <fatharrahman> it doesn't happened before
[01:01] <Dazza71> yes i can see that but i am loving my move over to linux  but just a few tweaks to software and hardware and I will be well happy
[01:01] <Dazza71> else have to dual boot
[01:01] <fatharrahman> help me please
[01:02] <geirha_> Dazza71: So whenever you buy hardware, check that it has the linux (penguin) icon on the box, or ask the clerk if it works in linux.
[01:02] <Dazza71> yes i will do that
[01:03] <fatharrahman> geirha can you grant me few answers please?
[01:05] <fatharrahman> any one to help?
[01:06] <geirha_> fatharrahman: Hard to say. Sounds like a graphics driver issue.
[01:07] <fatharrahman> but it was ok for more than two months
[01:07] <geirha_> Did you upgrade Ubuntu to a newer relase?
[01:08] <fatharrahman> I use ubuntu 10.10  desktope 32 bit on hp mini
[01:09] <geirha_> So it started after you upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10?
[01:09] <fatharrahman> no
[01:10] <fatharrahman> there was windows 7 starter then wubi ubuntu dual then I formatted windows and r installed ubuntu over all the space
[01:11] <fatharrahman> for two months
[01:11] <fatharrahman> everything was smooth
[01:11] <geirha_> Ok, but prior to that reinstall, you used 10.04?
[01:11] <fatharrahman> no
[01:11] <fatharrahman> only 10.10
[01:12] <geirha_> Ok, so 10.10 beta, and it worked in the beta?
[01:12] <fatharrahman> what is beta sorry
[01:12] <fatharrahman> it is 10.10 desktop 32 bit
[01:13] <geirha_> 10.10 was released a little over a month ago, so you can't have used thhe stable relase for two months
[01:13] <fatharrahman> oh
[01:14] <fatharrahman> let me count
[01:14] <geirha_> 10.10 means year 2010, month 10; october 2010.  10.04 means it was realeased in 2010, month 04, so april 2010
[01:16] <fatharrahman> sorry it less than one month it seemed to me more than two month because all this time I gave up doing any thing else than learning about ubuntu sorry sorry
[01:16] <geirha_> No worries.
[01:16] <fatharrahman> even my emails never check them
[01:17] <fatharrahman> 10.10 only
[01:17] <fatharrahman> since 16.10
[01:17] <fatharrahman> I remembered
[01:18] <fatharrahman> it was nice
[01:18] <geirha_> The issue might be what is called a regression; a kernel update (which is only supposed to fix bugs) accidentally broke something.
[01:18] <fatharrahman> it hanged since yesterday
[01:18] <fatharrahman> ok
[01:20] <fatharrahman> it hang up after password not bringing desktop I use to close the computer only the enter by safe mode
[01:20] <geirha_> What graphics card is it? searching on google for ubuntu plus the model of your graphics card will often give you a solution, workaround or an explanation of why it's failing.
[01:21] <geirha_> The command « lspci » run in a terminal should show you the model of the graphics card (VGA adapter)
[01:22] <fatharrahman> ok what after knowing my graphics and go to the website of the manufacturer
[01:23] <geirha_> I'd look for ubuntu specific issues with that hardware before going to the manufacturers website.
[01:24] <fatharrahman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/536901/
[01:24] <geirha_> That is, look for bugs at launchpad.net or threads at the ubuntuforums
[01:31] <geirha_> Hm. Doing a quick google for « ubuntu 945GME » I see some issues with that, but not directly related to your issue.
[01:31] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 945 in unicorn (Debian) (and 1 other project) "module-assistant fails to compile unicorn-source (heat: 1)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945
[01:31] <geirha_> Though I don't have time right now to look into it further
[01:33] <geirha_> Oh, he timed out :/
[01:35] <yofel> hm, I have an eeePC with an 945GME, works fine with kubuntu, so it's either some other hardware, or compiz/metacity
[02:23] <Dazza71> hi anyone know who to get imap settings from google to work in evolution
[02:23] <Dazza71> sorry googlemail
[02:30] <Dazza71> anyone help who knows about evolution
[03:05] <Shorty> any experts in here
[03:05] <Shorty> i know this is for beginners...lol
[03:05] <paultag> Shorty: almost everyone in the channel is way adept. Anyone with voice
[03:05] <Shorty> lol ok
[03:06] <Shorty> so im installing ubuntu 10.10 64bit on my Gateway NV79
[03:06] <Shorty> installation almost works
[03:06] <Shorty> one small problem that no one can seem to figure out how to fix for me
[03:06] <Shorty> as soon as i select the linux installation in GRUB the backlight turns off
[03:06] <Shorty> and i cannot see anything
[03:07] <paultag> hahaha sweet
[03:07] <Shorty> soooo any suggestions?
[03:07] <paultag> Shorty: might have to do with cheatcodes you're passing in. Try adding acpi=off on the kernel launch line
[03:07] <Shorty> how do i do that?
[03:08] <Shorty> press e on the installation?
[03:08] <Shorty> type what you said then press alt-x
[03:08] <paultag> yeah
[03:08] <Shorty> nope
[03:08] <paultag> Shorty: on the linux line
[03:08] <Shorty> on the linux line?
[03:08] <paultag> Shorty: on the kernel line
[03:09] <Shorty> ohhhhhhhhhh
[03:09] <paultag> Shorty: add the acpi=off line to the kernel cheatcodes
[03:09] <Shorty> i just put it at the bottom
[03:09] <paultag> Shorty: then alt x
[03:09] <paultag> Shorty: doing run and alt-x will just boot
[03:09] <Shorty> when you press e
[03:09] <Shorty> a box opens
[03:09] <Shorty> with a bunch of commands
[03:09] <paultag> no command
[03:09]  * Shorty is a total n00b
[03:09] <paultag> those are directives
[03:09] <Shorty> ok directives
[03:09] <paultag> those are cheatcodes et all
[03:09] <paultag> Shorty: add in acpi=off after ro splash quiet
[03:09] <paultag> or whatever it is
[03:10] <Shorty> at the bottom of the list i typed acpi=off
[03:10] <Shorty> pressed alt-x
[03:10] <Shorty> and boom.... no backlight
[03:11] <paultag> Shorty: I think you're not reading what I'm typing :)
[03:11] <Shorty> or not understanding ;(
[03:11] <paultag> Shorty: not at the bottom, that does no one any good
[03:11] <Shorty> ok ok
[03:11] <paultag> :)
[03:12] <Shorty> ok thats me via cell
[03:12] <Shorty> gonna go reboot
[03:12] <Shorty> and try what your saying
[03:13] <paultag> rocken
[03:13] <Shorty|cell> shutting down
[03:14] <Shorty|cell> Ok which line now
[03:14] <paultag> Shorty|cell: the one for linux
[03:14] <paultag> Shorty|cell: it should have ro splash quiet
[03:15] <paultag> Shorty|cell: put it after that
[03:15] <Shorty|cell> Ok I c that
[03:15] <Shorty|cell> Acpi=off
[03:15] <paultag> no caps Shorty|cell
[03:15] <Shorty|cell> Yea
[03:15] <paultag> OK.
[03:16] <Shorty|cell> Then alt x?
[03:16] <paultag> Shorty|cell: yeah
[03:16] <Shorty|cell> Or ctrl rather
[03:16] <Shorty|cell> Wow... It worked
[03:16] <paultag> points!
[03:17] <Shorty|cell> All day I been messing with this
[03:17] <paultag> Shorty|cell: simple stuff is usually the right stuff :)
[03:18] <Shorty|cell> ok now how do I get back on irc
[03:18] <paultag> Shorty|cell: install xchat or konversation or something
[03:19] <Shorty|cell> now its not seeing my wireless adapter
[03:20] <paultag> Shorty|cell: do you have a broadcom?
[03:20] <Shorty|cell> nope
[03:20] <paultag> Shorty|cell: plug into a hard line, run an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, then run jocky-gtk and install the STA driver
[03:20] <paultag> Shorty|cell: Oh, well same thing, but use whatever it suggests
[03:20] <paultag> Shorty|cell: check your killswitch as well
[03:21] <Shorty|cell> It was woekin on the live cd
[03:22] <paultag> Shorty|cell: check the usual stuff. I've got to run, it should work just dandy. Try running the jocky stuff above
[03:22] <Shorty|cell> Kk thanks
[03:22] <paultag> good luck!
[03:23] <Shorty|cell> Wait do I have
[03:23] <Shorty|cell> To do the acpi thing everytime
[03:23] <Shorty|cell> Oop I mean do I
[03:35] <proberos> there is a problem with my keyboard, the cursor jumps to different lines when I am typing, it jumps to another line or it erases some words randomly while typing, why this happens and how can I fix this ?
[03:35] <Cheri703> proberos: is your mouse over the text?
[03:36] <proberos> I haven't noticed that, does it matter ?
[03:36] <Cheri703> perhaps, are you on a desktop or laptop?
[03:37] <proberos> laptop
[03:37] <Cheri703> what can often happen is that while you're typing, your thumb/hand might brush your touchpad, causing the mouse to select somewhere else in the text, so your typing appears there...try consciously moving the pointer off to the side and typing for a while, see if it keeps happening
[03:37] <Cheri703> if it does, then we can go from there
[03:38] <Cheri703> ^^that happens to me a lot
[03:39] <proberos> yes this can be. thanks. I use external mouse. can ı disable the touchpad
[03:39] <proberos> ?
[03:39] <Cheri703> I think so, hang on a sec
[03:41] <hobgoblin> proberos: this might be of use - tutorial from the forum http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1629433
[03:41] <Cheri703> ha, hobgoblin I was just getting that link :)
[03:41] <hobgoblin> someone who comes in here wrote it - but I've never used it
[03:42] <hobgoblin> Cheri703: :) I had the link - he PMd me about it with my mod hat on
[03:42] <Cheri703> yeah, I was fishing it out of my logs from the other day
[03:42] <proberos> these trouble codes again anyway Cheri703 that clue about the touchpad is great. Thank You!
[03:42] <Cheri703> sure
[03:43] <Cheri703> like I said, I've run into it quite a few times on my own
[03:45] <proberos> there is another thing I wonder, my i5 processor got torbo boost function that exalaretes the speed when it is required, does linux support turbo boost or the processor does it itself whatever os I am using ?
[03:48] <proberos> my credits over to ask another question ? : )
[03:50] <proberos> heyooooo
[03:54] <proberos> good bye
[03:54] <Cheri703> proberos: sometimes people step away from their computers for a bit. just be patient. Generally pm'ing people without asking isn't advised.
[03:55] <hobgoblin> proberos: apparently it does - there was a bug - but the one I saw is fixed
[03:55] <hobgoblin> +1 to that Cheri703
[03:55] <Cheri703> hobgoblin: can I pm you?
[03:55] <hobgoblin> no
[03:55] <hobgoblin> :)
[03:55] <Cheri703> proberos: they also might be looking up things to help you!
[03:55] <hobgoblin> yes of course you can :D
[03:55] <Cheri703> kk, thanks
[03:56] <proberos> I know that pm ing is not somethnig nice, but sometimes I feel bad about people's not caring about me
[03:56] <yofel> proberos: turbo boost works on my i7 here, so I would say it's supported (at least powertop says it's in turbo mode when used)
[04:00] <proberos> yes it should be the feature of the processor separate from OS
[04:00] <proberos> Thanks.
[04:01] <yofel> hm, he's gone, the kernel needs to support it though, since it manages the cpu frequency
[04:02] <hobgoblin> we don't care enough probably ...
[04:02] <Cheri703> apparently
[04:07] <zkriesse> hello darkma773r and zeroseven0183
[04:08] <zeroseven0183> Hi
[04:08] <darkma773r> Hi
[04:09] <zeroseven0183> How's everybody doing on the other side of the world?
[04:09] <zkriesse> Fine
[04:09] <zkriesse> nice and dark here
[04:09] <darkma773r> I'm doing great!
[04:10] <Cheri703> it's COLD here
[04:10] <zeroseven0183> Here, it's bright and hot
[04:10] <zkriesse> lolz
[04:10] <zkriesse> and where is "Here"?
[04:10] <darkma773r> where exactly would the "other side of the world" be to you?
[04:10] <zeroseven0183> Philippines
[04:10] <hobgoblin> new zealand
[04:10] <Cheri703> Ohio
[04:10] <zeroseven0183> Great!
[04:11] <zeroseven0183> It's less than a month before Christmas. Has anybody completed their wish list?
[04:11] <hobgoblin> is it the 24th yet zeroseven0183 ?
[04:11] <darkma773r> I would love to see New Zealand. Michigan is freezing cold.
[04:12] <zeroseven0183> I think I'll include New Zealand in my Christmas wish list.
[04:12] <darkma773r> me too:-)
[04:12] <zeroseven0183> And perhaps Michigan... snowy?
[04:13] <darkma773r> not yet but it's freaking freezing and windy.
[04:13] <darkma773r> not fun
[04:13] <hobgoblin> darkma773r: I'd love to see new zealand too - but it's the other side of the world to me :)
[04:13] <zeroseven0183> I see. So what would be a good tech gadget this Christmas?
[04:15] <zkriesse> A laptop
[04:15]  * zkriesse wants a nice laptop
[04:16] <zeroseven0183> I'm thinking of buying a netbook/tablet
[04:16] <zeroseven0183> since I already have a laptop :-)
[04:16] <darkma773r> parts. I'm always looking for extra random computer parts.
[04:17] <Cheri703> I'm hoping to get a new phone in the next month or two
[04:18] <Cheri703> might have to wait til january for the next big phone to hit, so the one I want will get cheaper :)
[04:18] <darkma773r> good plan
[04:18] <zeroseven0183> Yeah. But how about catching the holiday sale?
[04:19] <hobgoblin> darkma773r: better than my plan - wait for years then pick them up for free
[04:19] <zeroseven0183> Though holiday sales usually extends up to third week of January. Right?
[04:19] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: morning zach :)
[04:19] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: well hello!
[04:19] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: how are ya doing lately?
[04:20] <hobgoblin> zeroseven0183: here sales are in 6 blocks of almost 2 months - seperated by one day
[04:20] <hobgoblin> zkriesse: pretty good on the whole ty - it's a bit early today though :( woken at stupid o'clock
[04:20] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: that always sucks
[04:20] <hobgoblin> yep
[04:20] <zkriesse> hobgoblin: how's ufbt coming along?
[04:21] <hobgoblin> it's there - talking bout stuff - but I am not about as much as I used to be - anywhere
[04:22] <zkriesse> ouch
[04:23] <hobgoblin> real life ;)
[04:23] <zkriesse> always comes first
[04:23] <zeroseven0183> It's lunchtime here, people. Got to go off for a while
[04:23] <hobgoblin> I so wish it was lunchtime :)
[04:24] <zkriesse> lol
[04:24] <zkriesse> it's ten thirty at night for me
[04:26] <hobgoblin> 4~:
[04:26] <hobgoblin> whoops 4:30am
[04:35] <darkma773r> goodbye, everyone.
[07:59] <kosaidpo> hello guys any knows why icant open url in hotot ??
[08:19] <evfool> hi all
[08:22] <hobgoblin> hi
[08:37] <zkriesse> hey slidinghorn ping
[08:37] <zkriesse> hello nit-wit serfus and hobgoblin as well
[08:39] <serfus> howdy zkriesse
[08:39] <hobgoblin> hi zkriesse
[08:41] <nit-wit> zkriesse, howdy
[08:42] <nit-wit> just seeing whats going on if anybody needs a little help
[08:43] <zkriesse> lol
[08:43] <zkriesse> good place to offer assistance
[08:44] <hobgoblin> nit-wit: just hang about someone will wander in
[08:44] <hobgoblin> and with that I'm off again
[08:46]  * Cheri703 is not tired at all even though it's almost 4am and is almost done watching an incredibly stupid movie
[08:47] <nit-wit> Cheri703, whats the movie
[08:47] <Cheri703> from dusk til dawn
[08:47] <Cheri703> omg it was dumb
[08:48] <Cheri703> just finished
[08:49] <Cheri703> so far tonight the tally is at one good movie, one horrible movie, and now starting another so we'll see how it balances out
[08:50] <nit-wit> Cheri703, never seen it but it written Tarantino ansd looks like George Clooney is in it not goo eh
[08:50] <nit-wit> good
[08:50] <Cheri703> yeah, you'd think it'd be ok, but...HORRIBLE and cheesy and "omg blood and frontal nudity!" -_- that's about the extent of 75% of the movie
[08:59] <nit-wit> Cheri703, have you seen Undercover Brother
[08:59] <Cheri703> a long time ago
[08:59] <nit-wit> Cheri703, I saw it in a film class thought it was funny, another is Fresh
[09:00] <nit-wit> Fresh is a hood film
[09:23] <benpowers23> help me!!!
[09:24] <benpowers23> i have tried to fix my problem the hard way, and it didnt work  i want to do a clean install can anyone help me
[09:24] <benpowers23> ?
[09:25] <benpowers23> anyone?
[09:27] <Cheri703> !question
[09:27] <benpowers23> hello?
[09:27] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[09:27] <Cheri703> what do you need benpowers23 ?
[09:28] <benpowers23> i installed ubunti 1010 and tried kubuntu and it has done nothing but cause problems since
[09:29] <Cheri703> ok
[09:29] <benpowers23> so i thought clean was the best way to go
[09:29] <Cheri703> ok, so what is it that you need help with?
[09:30] <suprengr> cant find the link at the moment. puregnome anyone? i'm guessing that would help benpowers23
[09:30] <Cheri703> suprengr: I have no idea what puregnome is
[09:30] <benpowers23> i have repartitioned and installed i just feel i have messed it all up
[09:31] <suprengr> found it... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome
[09:31] <Cheri703> I just reinstalled on both of my computers today
[09:34] <benpowers23> it gave me errors ...could not uninstall i want to reformat and reinstall on the whole partition
[09:34] <benpowers23> i feel like ivw messed it up beyond fixin
[09:35] <Cheri703> benpowers23: I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing what you need help with.
[09:36] <benpowers23> i have 3 main partitions win vista main, win vista rec, and ubuntu... i want to start fresh on the ubuntu partition
[09:37] <Cheri703> ok
[09:37] <suprengr> benpowers23: it will show errors for packages that weren't installed alongside... it should. you need to restart to see if any good was done [& don't forgret to try the manual method described.. errors as well but nignore]
[09:37] <suprengr> *ignore
[09:38] <benpowers23> ive been down this road soooo many times i want to just reinstall
[09:39] <suprengr> benpowers23:  create a gparted livecd, delete partition in question and re-install Ubuntu.
[09:41] <suprengr> ...or a clonezilla live cd
[09:42] <Cheri703> doesn't the general livecd come with gparted?
[09:43] <Cheri703> the last few I used did (I think) ...
[09:43] <Cheri703> the 10.10 does I thought
[09:43]  * Cheri703 knows she used it
[09:44] <suprengr> Cheri703: very good point... run the live cd !!!
[09:44] <Cheri703> that would let you use the existing partition and just format it
[09:44] <Cheri703> if reinstallation is what you're seeking
[09:44] <suprengr> [perhaps I need to wake up a bit more]
[09:44]  * suprengr gets a coffee
[09:45] <Cheri703> suprengr: this is why I wasn't understanding what the question was, apparently it was possible to install in the first place, so what step needs assistance now?
[09:47] <suprengr> Cheri703: it was a question resulting in an install of Kubuntu desktop in Ubuntu... it messes up the user's system and PureGnome didn't seem to do the trick.  He/she now wants to restart from fresh with a clean Ubuntu instal.
[09:48] <Cheri703> well yeah, I got that the end goal was a reinstall, but wasn't sure which piece of that needed help
[09:49] <Cheri703> if I came in here and said "I think I'm going to reinstall" or "I want to reinstall" that doesn't really ask for help with anything in particular...I dunno, perhaps I'm being too literal...it's almost 5am
[09:50] <suprengr> nope... it confused me at first... he/she was a bit frustrated with the situation they got into I guess and actually answered the question themselves.. re-install!  he/she just wasn't sure of any way of removing current messes up installation.
[09:51] <suprengr> *messed
[09:52] <Cheri703> well, on that note, I need to at least attempt sleep. I tried a bit ago, but husband was snoring like a freight train, so I whipped up a white noise file so I'm going to put headphones on and try again
[09:53] <Cheri703> have a good night/day/whatever suprengr!
[09:53] <suprengr> Cheri703: yourself too... have a good one.
[09:59] <duanedesign> hello all, good morning
[10:00] <duanedesign> Cheri703: have you ever tried the app...
[10:00] <duanedesign> Cheri703: Gnaural
[10:01] <duanedesign> Cheri703: Binaraul Beat Generator. Your comment of white noise file to help sleep reminded me of that app. I use it to help sleep.
[10:31] <nit-wit> Cheri703, I have a question for you in the dialogue window
[13:24] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[13:24] <kosaidpo> i cant open Url in hotot any idea why ??
[14:21] <Shorty> i have a gateway nv79 with ubuntu 10.10 64bit that i just kinda got working on it
[14:22] <Shorty> i cannot get the wireless adapter to be enabled
[14:22] <Shorty> ubuntu recognizes its ther but when i click the wifi thing on the top right corner of the screen "enable wireless" is blacked out
[14:23] <Shorty> if i do an rfkill list in terminal it says Soft Key off hard key on
[14:23] <Shorty> any ideas?
[14:25] <Shorty> anyone out there?
[14:28] <UndiFineD> no ideas
[14:31] <Shorty> lol
[14:32] <Shorty> yea tough one huh
[17:36] <bobbyj> anybody know any good gps software?
[19:48] <joe1234> can someone please help me
[19:49] <Cheri703> !questions
[19:49] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:49] <Cheri703> what do you need joe1234?
[19:50] <joe1234> how do i view divx streams? i've tried vlc to mplayer but i just can't view them. i'm a noob lol. just got ubuntu yesterday and fell in love with it but i can't stream divx files
[19:51] <tenach> Hello! How would I remove a semicolon from a group of filenames in the same directory?  I have been looking at sed, but I don't know if that's the right tools.
[19:51] <tenach> s/tools/tool
[19:51] <Cheri703> joe1234: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:51] <Cheri703> and go from there
[19:52] <pedro3005> tenach, python :p
[19:52] <joe1234> i already have the restricted extras
[19:52] <joe1234> the video is still blank
[19:52] <joe1234> oh btw i have the newest 10.10 version
[19:53] <tenach> pedro3005: Whatever works. I just need to run it against a directory and replace ';' with a blank ''
[19:53] <pedro3005> tenach, all files?
[19:53] <tenach> pedro3005: These files keep dying when copying to a Windoze machine.
[19:53] <tenach> pedro3005: It needs to check through a directory and any file with a semicolon needs to be modified to remove the semicolon
[19:53] <pedro3005> tenach, I"d try something like
[19:54] <pedro3005> tenach, for file in glob.glob("*.*"): if ";" in file: subprocess.call(["mv", file, file.replace(";", "")])
[19:55] <tenach> Would that keep the name and just remove that then?
[19:56] <pedro3005> it would replace ";" with ""
[19:56] <tenach> Okay
[19:56] <tenach> Hm.
[19:57] <SHADED> Allo
[19:57] <pedro3005> to be honest, there's probably some easier bash way of doing it
[19:57] <pedro3005> but I never bothered to learn bash scripting
[19:57] <SHADED> I need help with getting my wifi to work on a new linux install
[19:57] <SHADED> I have a dell truemobile wifi dongle
[19:57] <joe1234> how can i stream divx files?
[19:57] <SHADED> I am at a loss for what I should do next
[19:57] <zkriesse> joe1234: you've asked your question, wait for an answer
[19:58] <pedro3005> SHADED, do you have a model number?
[19:58] <SHADED> yes one second
[19:58] <zkriesse> SHADED: what's the screenshot link again
[19:58] <SHADED> www.xs.to/3GDZ
[19:58] <SHADED> true mobile 1300 wireless usb adapter
[19:58] <tenach> What pedro3005 rename -v 's/\;//' *
[19:58] <SHADED> model T2349
[19:58] <tenach> does it
[19:58] <tenach> Minus the what
[19:59] <zkriesse> SHADED: I kinda meant a screen shot of the connections menu
[19:59] <zkriesse> but never mind
[19:59] <SHADED> oh
[19:59] <SHADED> I can do that too
[19:59] <pedro3005> tenach, :P
[19:59] <pedro3005> SHADED, what's the output of iwconfig?
[19:59] <SHADED> second
[20:00] <zkriesse> pedro3005: you got this?
[20:00] <pedro3005> zkriesse, I'll try
[20:00] <zkriesse> ok
[20:00] <zkriesse> pedro3005: ya know the deal...ping/pm/memoserv/email if you need me
[20:00] <zkriesse> Otherwise Ive got a paper to write
[20:02] <SHADED> pedro3005: etho0 no wireless extension, lo no wireless extension
[20:03] <pedro3005> SHADED, so you're on wirted internet right now?
[20:03] <pedro3005> wired*
[20:03] <SHADED> I have an ethernet cable if I need internet
[20:03] <SHADED> Stealing off my laptop
[20:03] <SHADED> but I want wifi for the long run
[20:03] <SHADED> my laptop travels with me, I need a homebase
[20:04] <pedro3005> yeah, sure
[20:04] <pedro3005> try this:
[20:04] <pedro3005> hm, damn, I closed the link
[20:04] <pedro3005> one moment
[20:05] <pedro3005> SHADED, well, first, have you checked System > Administration > Hardware DriverS?
[20:06] <SHADED> not an option
[20:06] <SHADED> addiotinal drivers?
[20:06] <joe1234> anyone for my question?
[20:08] <pedro3005> SHADED, yeah, that
[20:08] <SHADED> hmm
[20:08] <SHADED> nada
[20:08]  * pedro3005 has no idea why ubuntu keeps changing the damn names
[20:08] <SHADED> nothing displayed
[20:09] <SHADED> pedro3005: The help menu even refers to it as hardware drivers :P
[20:09] <pedro3005> SHADED, sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[20:09] <pedro3005> SHADED, what is your ubuntu version?
[20:09] <SHADED> 10.10
[20:09] <pedro3005> ok
[20:09] <pedro3005> try that command
[20:10] <SHADED> oh
[20:10] <SHADED> I might need ethernet for that lolol
[20:10]  * SHADED facepalms
[20:10] <SHADED> second
[20:10] <SHADED> done
[20:11] <pedro3005> now take it out and plug it back in (the adapter)
[20:11] <Daniel0108> hi
[20:11] <SHADED> plugged back in
[20:11] <SHADED> YES!
[20:11] <SHADED> pedro3005: I LOVE YOU
[20:11] <pedro3005> and see if it turns up in network manager
[20:11] <pedro3005> lol :)
[20:12] <SHADED> success!
[20:12] <SHADED> pedro3005: IF I WAS A WOMAN I WOULD THROW MYSELF AT YOU
[20:12] <pedro3005> thanks.. I guess
[20:12] <SHADED> ;D
[20:12] <pedro3005> SHADED, it's not like that was on the second link after googling "your model + ubuntu" or anything
[20:12] <pedro3005> :P
[20:13]  * Shaded facepalms
[20:13] <Shaded> I searched the brand name not the model
[20:20] <tenach> pedro3005: it's gotten worse now; I need to remove all non-alphanumeric characters from the names, but keep ()[]- and spaces. :|
[20:20] <pedro3005> tenach, python?
[20:21] <tenach> pedro3005: I don't know how to do this - I know regex will be nice for it though.  And right now I don't care what language it is. XD
[20:21] <Demolitio> anyone know how to get Empathy to connect to MSN's servers using the http method?
[20:21] <tenach> He may not like that it's python though. XD
[20:22] <Daniel0108> Demolitio: you can add a msn account to empathy
[20:22] <pedro3005> tenach, newname = [x for x in old_name if x.lower() in [string.ascii_lowercase] + ['(', ')', '[', ']', '-', ' ']] ? :P
[20:22] <pedro3005> i dunno
[20:24] <Demolitio> Daniel0108: I know I can.... but  i'm having intermittant problems with the protocol. (constant reconnects, messages not being sent..... status shows as online even though I can't see anyone and they can't see me..).
[20:24] <Demolitio> I've been using aMSN, and it seems stable using http tunneling... but Empathy doesn't have that option, that I can see visible.
[20:25] <Cheri703> pidgin 2.7.7 is happy with msn now
[20:25] <Demolitio> does pidgin have FB chat support?
[20:25] <Cheri703> yep
[20:25] <Cheri703> separate add on, but yes
[20:25] <Cheri703> and bot sentry
[20:25] <Cheri703> which is wonderful
[20:25] <Demolitio> hmm. I may try it out.
[20:26] <Demolitio> I like Empathy for the Gnome integration though.
[20:26] <Cheri703> pidgin integrates with the messaging indicator
[20:26] <Cheri703> it's not quite as pretty as empathy, but it does the job
[20:26] <Daniel0108> Demolitio: I don't think Pidgin has FB chat support, but it has an extension for fb support
[20:26] <aveilleux> Demolitio, Cheri703, Facebook chat is just an XMPP server. The FB plugin is redundant.
[20:26] <Cheri703> ok
[20:26] <aveilleux> Daniel0108, ^
[20:26] <Cheri703> just saying
[20:27] <Cheri703> to get 2.7.7 you have to google, it's (for some stupid reason) not the current download version on their site for ubuntu
[20:28] <Demolitio> anything I need to do to integrate it with indicator Applet?
[20:28] <aveilleux> Cheri703, The repositories are always a little behind the latest version.
[20:28] <Cheri703> even on pidgin.im though
[20:28] <Cheri703> had to install via getdeb
[20:29] <aveilleux> Cheri703, It's probably an unstable version
[20:30] <Cheri703> but the pidgin site shows 2.7.7 as the "current" but ubuntu download is 2.7.6 (or 5)...I dunno. .7 fixes the msn issue though
[20:46] <tenach> Cheri703: a while ago I followed this http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/ and get the latest via their PPA
[20:46] <Cheri703> I tried that and I still got 2.7.5
[20:52] <temposs> Yes it looks like the version in the ppa is 2.7.5
[20:52] <suprengr> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/install-pidgin-276-in-ubuntu-with-msn.html
[20:52] <suprengr> //read through it and it takes you to 7.7
[20:52] <Cheri703> suprengr: that's the link I used
[20:53] <suprengr> including the bit that goes...
[20:53] <suprengr> Pidgin 2.7.7 is not yet available in the Ubuntu Pidgin PPA, however you can install it via GetDeb (for Ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10):
[20:53] <suprengr> 1. Download THIS .deb and install it - it will add the GetDeb repository.
[20:53] <suprengr> 2. Run the following command to update your software sources:
[20:55] <suprengr> haven't tried it but worth a go?
[20:55] <temposs> getdeb can be useful
[20:56] <Cheri703> suprengr: worked for me
[20:56] <suprengr> ;)
[20:56] <Cheri703> I'm running 2.7.7 and the msn issue is fixed and running smoothly
[20:56] <suprengr> double ;)
[23:05] <joe1234> what do i have to do to be able to stream divx videos?
[23:09] <Eleanor> VLC can handle video streams
[23:12] <joe1234> Eleanor: how would I do that? can you please give me step by step because I have tried everything from media connectivity to vlc to mplayer; nothing has worked.


 @ahoneybun @Rick_Timmis @tsimonq2 Mamarok @Valoriez Looks like we forgot about elections
 I propose we extend the expiring memberships for say a month to allow those to take place?
 We could need to consult the community council or similar on that though....
 I'm going to go ahead and do this so we don't accidentally expire
 If the CC or other powers that be decide it was not acceptable, it can always be reverted
 Ok, I think I am talking to myself here 😕
[18:57] <valorie> well shoot
[18:57] <valorie> I used to have that on my calendar to remind me
[18:57] <valorie> I think I was just re-elected, right?
[18:57] <valorie> so I could run the election
[19:48] <valorie> ok, emails sent, including to all Members
[19:48] <valorie> Thank you RikMills for noticing!
[20:00] <RikMills> valorie: yeah, you are not expiring, so please run it if you know how. I have done it before so please ask if there something not sure
[20:01] <RikMills> PS. I only noticed as I got an email from launchpad saying my council team membership expires in 4 days
[20:02] <RikMills> if not for that, I would have missed it!
[20:09] <valorie> if we only have 3 candidates, I think it's super easy
[20:09] <valorie> otherwise, I have run a Condorcet poll before, and it's not quite as simple
[20:10] <valorie> I suppose I should set a deadline for noms
[20:10] <valorie> Do you think one week is long enough?
[20:43] <RikMills> as long as it is announced to members and lists, I would say so
[22:01] <valorie> ok, I'll do a followup
[22:09] <valorie> done


[01:19] <pmatulis> Tm_T: o/
[01:20] <pmatulis> jpds: \o
[01:20] <pmatulis> mneptok: o/
[01:22] <IdleOne> hello pmatulis
[01:22] <pmatulis> IdleOne: howdy
[01:40] <Singham> Hi...can anyone please tell be that does code of conduct expires after some months ?
[01:41] <IdleOne> no it doesn't but you can unsign it.
[01:43] <Singham> IdleOne : Because I want to be an op but because of my examinations I will not be able to come online for around 5-6 months.Thanks dude..   :)
[01:43] <IdleOne> welcome.
[01:44] <IdleOne> everybody wants to be an op
[01:44] <IdleOne> little do they know.
[01:47] <pmatulis> IdleOne: anything i should know?
[01:48] <IdleOne> you will learn soon enough :)
[01:48] <pmatulis> yikes!
[01:57] <IdleOne> for what it's worth I believe that if you were chosen it is because they believe you have what it takes. you will be fine :)
[02:04] <Singham> Hi..If I want to become op for #ubuntu-in , are the requirements same as for #ubuntu ?
[02:05] <IdleOne> loco channels select ops according to their requirements.
[02:06] <IdleOne> you would need to speak to whoever does the choosing.
[02:07] <Singham> IdleOne : I belong to India and can speek Hindi language which is our National language.
[02:07] <Singham> IdleOne : So what should I do to become op of #ubuntu-in ?
[02:08] <IdleOne> I don't know. ask one of the current ops in that channel.
[02:09] <IdleOne> Singham: loco channels are not managed by the Ubuntu ops team, they select who they feel would be a good op.
[02:10] <IdleOne> your best bet would be to speak with the current channel ops and see what they say.
[02:10] <Singham> IdleOne : How would I know who is the  channel operator of that channel ?
[02:11] <Pici> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-in list
[02:11] <IdleOne> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-in list
[02:11] <IdleOne> that will give you a list of current ops for that channel
[02:13] <Singham> Pici , IdleOne : Thanks :)
[02:14] <IdleOne> Very welcome.
[02:14] <Singham> Bye..
[03:08] <IdleOne> !away  > termleech|bed
[03:11] <elky> since when did india have a national language? (hint: it doesn't.)
[03:11] <IdleOne> it has 24-26 official ones iirc
[03:16] <elky> yeah, but no national one, constitutionally
[03:16] <IdleOne> right.
[05:02] <Tm_T> pmatulis: welcome (:
[06:53] <Myrtti> anyone else awake?
[07:30] <ikonia> yes
[07:30] <ikonia> what's up
[07:31] <ikonia> ahhh 30 minutes is up
[09:03] <bazhang> tunnel is in perl?
[09:03] <bazhang> sounds harrowing
[09:03] <ikonia> I reawlly don't understand
[09:22] <bazhang> perl script from a pay site?
[09:27] <ikonia> I've chose to ignore it....
[09:46] <bazhang> * [gingbot] (~supybot@laptopd.clemson.edu): gingbot
[09:47] <bazhang> annoying bot
[09:47] <ikonia> gone
[09:48] <ikonia> idiots who launch these things
[11:37] <elky> I see qmr didn't return. he responded in PM to me about 6 hrs ago to the question "are you willing to behave civilly and discuss the ban?" with "no!"
[11:37] <elky> if he returns while i'm asleep, take that into consideration
[11:38] <elky> (the question being posed when he last misbehaved in here)
[11:44] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Xero00 asking for backtrack help when he knows he's in the wrong channel for it
[11:47] <ikonia> please keep an eye on Xero00 in #ubuntu he's not being useful and I need to go
[13:15] <ikonia> floodbot just banned eir
[13:15] <IdleOne> eir overides it
[13:16] <ikonia> why did it ban it ?
[13:16] <IdleOne> probably because of PM's
[13:16] <IdleOne> see -monitor
[13:16] <IdleOne> I meant notices not pm
[13:16] <ikonia> ahh
[13:17] <Tm_T> aww
[13:17] <Tm_T> fight of the titans?
[13:38] <bazhang> troll detected
[13:38] <IdleOne> taking aim
[13:42] <Pici> Selassie was here last night.
[13:42] <Pici> well, in #u
[15:32] <ikonia> I'm fed up with vibhav again posting things he's copying and pasting out of google, in this situation it was lucky as the cut and paste was valid, but all the time blindly cutting and pasting from the top google hit
[15:43] <jrib> ikonia: do you know if anyone has spoken with him?
[15:44] <ikonia> I just did
[15:44] <ikonia> again
[15:44] <ikonia> he's been banned 2 - 3 times for this and agreed to stop posting links like that
[15:44] <ikonia> in this situation it wasn't terrible as it was in the ball park,
[15:44] <jrib> I just saw scrollback, why doesn't he just give the person the link...
[15:44] <ikonia> jrib: because he copies and pastes things from notes he has
[15:44] <jrib> oh
[15:45] <ikonia> so that it looks like he's typed them
[15:45] <ikonia> he's got a think about "he's giving the advice" so he uses the pastebins to make it look like he's giving instructions rather than giving someone a url that someone else has fixed the problem
[15:45] <ikonia> in his head "he's" fixed the problem
[15:45] <ikonia> or "he" knows how to fix it, if he uses the pastebin
[15:46] <jrib> weird
[15:47] <ikonia> yes
[15:47] <ikonia> he's only young though
[15:47] <ikonia> keen to impress
[16:51] <skai> okey
[16:51] <skai> ikonia:
[16:52] <ikonia> skai: my apologies, I missunderstood your question
[16:52] <ikonia> skai: you need to leave this channel and ask in #ubuntu-irc, very sorry, my fault
[16:53] <skai> ikonia: its a question about bot from #ubuntu/what version and where to get? our bot is deprecated and broken by his moderator. that man leave our team,and its easyer to change than to repair our bot
[16:53] <skai> ikonia: thats all.
[16:54] <ikonia> skai: #ubuntu-irc is the correct channel, sorry about that
[16:54] <ikonia> my fault
[16:54] <skai> oke
[16:54] <ikonia> skai: the operators for #ubuntu-ru are there
[16:54] <ikonia> (or should be at some point)
[16:55] <skai> ikonia: and for what purpose this channel created?
[16:56] <ikonia> skai: this is for issues with the ubuntu "core" (main) channels
[16:56] <Myrtti> for the core channels (general, non-loco ones)
[19:55] <Gredeu> have a nice day
[19:56] <ikonia> ?
[22:28] <Pici> funkyHat: good catch, I missed that.
[22:28] <funkyHat> Pici: so did I. robinetd pointed it out to me
[22:29] <IdleOne> missedwhat!?
[22:29] <IdleOne> ugh bad space bar
[22:29] <funkyHat> IdleOne: /lastlog Gredeu in #u-ot
[22:29] <IdleOne> oh, the africa thing. yeah I was wondering why nobody did anything about that
[22:30] <Pici> because we didn't see it.
[22:30] <funkyHat> We were too busy trying to sound clever about shells
[22:30] <IdleOne> I'm sorry for not mentioning it. figured you guys decided to ignore it with the hope it would go away
[22:31] <funkyHat> Don't worry. We caught it eventually ⢁D
[22:32] <knome> funkyHat, there's STILL something wrong with your eyes ;)
[22:33] <funkyHat> knome: I hope you mean because I missed that troll. I would like to think that you wouldn't intentionally draw attention to my... condition. ⢁|
[22:33] <knome> of course. who'd ever miss a single troll.
[22:34] <Pici> after they're gone?
[22:34] <bazhang> not me
[22:34] <bazhang> that sounded wrong
[22:34] <IdleOne> funkyHat has funkyVision
[22:34] <knome> lol, clearly
[22:35] <knome> not that it's a bad thing.
[22:35] <funkyHat> ❡⢁D
[22:35] <IdleOne> great thing about funkyVision is he gets extra images when watching 3d movies
[22:35] <knome> lol
[22:39]  * funkyHat can see 3D movies in 4D
[22:39] <knome> wow.
[22:39] <knome> can you see 2D movies in 3D?
[22:39] <funkyHat> Sometimes
[22:39] <knome> nice
[22:39] <knome> so are you an artist? :P
[22:39] <IdleOne> hehe, depends on the tilt of his head
[22:40] <funkyHat> I need to draw more
[23:30] <escott> AuroraNites21 is pm'ing people but not asking questions in #ubuntu
[23:30] <bazhang> okay thanks escott
[23:30] <escott> thanks bazhang
[23:30] <bazhang> seems to have quit, but will keep an eye open
[23:31] <Gredeu> funkyhat distributes copyrighted material over the internet while on job
[23:32] <Gredeu> multiple offenses
[23:36] <Gredeu> 4 total offenses
[23:39]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[23:48] <Gredeu> funkyhat has posed as a starbucks employee
[23:48] <bazhang> Gredeu, hi
[23:48] <Gredeu> hello
[23:48] <Gredeu> all factual
[23:48] <bazhang> please stop that
[23:48] <Gredeu> i'm sorry i was only reciting factual information
[23:49] <Gredeu> what i said in there i did not realize was against channel rules.  it is literally a real life situation in south africa. they are savages.
[23:49] <Gredeu> may i be excused ?
[23:55] <elky> if he comes in again, i'm going to ban him from here for a bit
[23:56] <escott> bazhang, AuroraNites21 is logged back in (seems to drop out every few minuteS)
[23:56] <bazhang> escott, got him in PM
[23:56] <escott> thanks


[21:39] <thumper> Looks like the base snap layer has a behavioural clash with the new snap proxy model settings
[21:39] <thumper> as in it will overwrite what Juju says with what it thinks...
[21:39] <thumper> and it thinks wrong
[21:58] <thumper> babbageclunk: hey
[21:58] <thumper> babbageclunk: did you want to finish our chat from friday?
[21:59] <veebers> thumper: snap layer, is that something in juju or the snapd bits?
[21:59] <thumper> it is used in reactive charming for things using snaps
[22:01] <veebers> ah I see, charm layer gotchya
[22:02] <babbageclunk> thumper: hey - maybe? About your stuff or my bug that I was chasing?
[22:03] <babbageclunk> In theory I have a 1:1 with wallyworld any minute now.
[22:03] <thumper> babbageclunk: yours, I spent all weekend worrying about mine and realised I was looking at the wrong thing
[22:03] <babbageclunk> d'oh
[22:03] <thumper> I still need the open method
[22:03] <babbageclunk> no, I've got a thread I'm pulling on mine.
[22:03] <thumper> ok
[22:04] <babbageclunk> well, really it's hundreds of goroutines but still
[22:37] <thumper> mechanical change: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/9079
[23:08] <thumper> can I get a +1 from someone on the package moves?  https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/9079
[23:09]  * veebers looks
[23:12] <veebers> thumper: done
[23:21] <thumper> veebers: ta


[04:04] <daniele> hi
[04:04] <daniele> i need to get a light laptop on which i want to put ubuntu
[04:04] <daniele> any suggestion?
[08:45] <mvo> jibel: hi! what is the best way for me to run the apt-clone file from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/900483 on a fast qa lab machine?
[08:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900483 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update fails on libpam-ck-connector:i386 (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[16:17] <roadmr> salem_: hey!
[16:17] <salem_> roadmr, hey
[16:18] <roadmr> salem_: so you mentioned synchronizing the selection tree and the results column was giving you trouble?
[16:36] <salem_> roadmr, sorry the delay, I was in a meeting. I kind of figured out on how to do it visually, but I still dont know if the ui is going to track which tests are done/in progress, or if the backend will provide this information.
[16:37] <roadmr> salem_: hm, good question :) the backend can expose a job store, not sure if using that would couple the UI too tightly with the backend
[16:38] <roadmr> salem_: if the visual part is troublesome you can always change things around a bit, if some sort of 2-column control is easier that can be done
[16:38] <roadmr> salem_: as long as the tree selection thingy remains and we are able to display the result next to each test, we can be creative :)
[16:43] <salem_> roadmr, ah cool! I will try changing a bit then.
[16:44] <roadmr> salem_: no problem! thanks
[16:45] <salem_> roadmr, one more question: What about the progress bar? currently there is no way to report the progress precisely, do you think we can add a new method to the UI API to update the progress bar correctly?
[16:45] <roadmr> salem_: sure
[16:46] <roadmr> salem_: Ideally I'd like to have the frontend pass a list of jobs with statuses to the UI, this would work for the selection/progress list, the progress bar, and the indicator saying "15 of 50 tests run"
[16:47] <roadmr> salem_: still not too sure on how to do that, but it's certainly one of the things we can change in the backend
[16:47] <salem_> perhaps something like def update_progress_bar(message, current, max) would fix this I think.
[16:48] <roadmr> salem_: good idea!
[16:48] <salem_> but the list of jobs would also be perfect, since we could update both the status and the progressBar accordingly
[16:51] <roadmr> salem_: well yes, it's a decision on where the calculations will be done
[16:52] <roadmr> salem_: there's an argument to be made for the backend to "crunch" all the numbers and just ask the UI to display them
[17:43] <wxl> um, should lubuntu 12.04 have ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-minimal, AND lubuntu-desktop?


[02:21] <chilts> afternoon
[18:37] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:39] <ojwb> morning
[18:39] <chilts> morning
[19:24] <ajmitch> morning


[00:22] <StevenK> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/garbo-abort-info/+merge/154592 is updated
[00:25] <wgrant> StevenK: Much better, thanks
[00:25] <wgrant> r=me
[14:36] <xnox> mgz: i'd like to quickly chat to you about jubany when you have a moment or two =)
[15:03] <mgz> xnox: lets do it
[15:08] <xnox> mgz: i've read all the README and README_DEPLOYMENTS info. Roughly, my understanding is sudo into pkg_import user, schroot into quantal, source / update path to include the magic scripts directory & run those.
[15:08] <xnox> mgz: but for example, i'm not quite sure what requeue_package --full will do and whether it is "safe" to run on out of date packages.
[15:09] <xnox> mgz: also I'm curious about what will need to be done at s-series opening.
[15:09] <mgz> --full is not safe as such
[15:09] <xnox> that was my thinking.
[15:09] <mgz> as it discards all existing history, and attempts to recreate it from what's published
[15:10] <xnox> that's not what I want =)
[15:10] <mgz> generally packages are out of date for one of two reasons:
[15:11] <mgz> * a bug or limitation of some kind in constructing the history from a certain point, often packaging error, has also been stuff like lack of support of latest .xz format changes
[15:12] <mgz> * some history got rewritten after an import ran, so the importer can't reconcile what it has with what now exists
[15:13] <mgz> really #2 is just a subcase of #1. but #2 is the only kind where --full might actually fix things
[15:13] <xnox> I think I have a latter case, where --full might actually help. All revisions were committed by pkg-importer only, ye
[15:14] <xnox> yet the latest upload by me, is not being imported.
[15:14] <xnox> mgz: has anything been done after raring switched to uploads to -proposed with a copy to -release? as I bet the importer is going crazy with packages appearing & disappearing in -proposed.
[15:14] <xnox> and later reappearing in -releases (as this is the course of the events usually)
[15:15] <mgz> nothing has been done, and that does sound like it might break things
[15:15] <cjwatson> well, *usually* they disappear in -proposed and appear in release in the same publisher cycle
[15:16] <xnox> cjwatson: sure, unless is haskell and it's in -proposed for a while before it migrates, or if the package is huge and takes time to build on armhf, by which time the source package in -proposed is published already.
[15:16] <cjwatson> if it's in -proposed for a while before it migrates then it hasn't disappeared from -proposed
[15:17] <cjwatson> and how long it takes to build has no bearing on the relative timing of disappearance from -proposed vs. appearance in release
[15:19] <xnox> ok.
[15:20] <cjwatson> if that *is* the problem then it's plain bad luck on when proposed-migration finishes
[15:20] <cjwatson> if it happens to finish very close to the start of the publisher then it might race in that particular way.  but it's not clear whether that is in fact the problem anyway :)
[15:21] <xnox> right. I just wonder how come we have 417 packages failing with bug 714622, with some of them fairly straight forward (e.g. lp:ubuntu/libsemanage where nobody but package-importer has touched the branches)
[15:21] <_mup_> Bug #714622: import fails when lp branch has been push --overwrite'n <Ubuntu Distributed Development:Confirmed for canonical-bazaar> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/714622 >
[15:21] <xnox> and there was no --overwrite.
[15:22] <mgz> that does sound like something else is tickling that symptom
[15:25] <xnox> mgz: let me run pkg-import here locally for libsemanage to see if there are any other bugs with it, and if there aren't I'll just requeue full it.
[15:41] <mgz> xnox: on the updates needed for S front, I got myself in a muddle last time, there's a thread on the udd list from October you can refer to
[15:41] <mgz> in short, there are just some hardcoded values in lp:udd to change
[15:41] <mgz> part of the release process should be stopping the importer before release, then enabling again after the copy-over script has finished
[15:49] <xnox> mgz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess only has "notify to restart package-import" Can you expand that check-list with other steps that are needed to be done?
[15:54] <mgz> wiki/sso is being slow over letting me log in...
[16:07] <mgz> xnox: done. also updated ReleaseProcess page
[16:37] <xnox> mgz: cjwatson: let's see if I can do those bzr importer tasks this release.
[16:37]  * xnox has access to jubany ;-)
[16:41] <mgz> sounds good to me


[01:27] <AskUbuntu_> Problem installing MAAS nodes on Intel NUC | http://askubuntu.com/q/489786
[01:51] <l1fe> sorry to be a bother, but has anyone setup a maas node on an intel NUC?
[01:54] <mwhudson> l1fe: was it you how posted the askubuntu question that got linked in here?
[01:54] <mwhudson> http://askubuntu.com/q/489786
[01:54] <mwhudson> l1fe: i haven't but i know it's been done
[01:54] <mwhudson> l1fe: what are you using for power control?
[01:54] <l1fe> mwhudson: that would be me
[01:55] <l1fe> mwhudson: I'm using wake on lan (it's a haswell NUC)
[01:55] <mwhudson> ok
[01:56] <mwhudson> when you say that you boot the device and it looks like the old install
[01:56] <mwhudson> how are you booting it?
[01:56] <l1fe> so first boot is with PXE, that installed the image (i'm guessing) that enlisted the node
[01:57] <l1fe> second boot, was also with PXE
[01:57] <l1fe> and i think that's when it was commissioning
[01:57] <l1fe> 3rd boot was normal boot to hdd
[01:58]  * mwhudson tries to remember maas terminology
[01:58] <mwhudson> i don't think that's quite how it works though
[01:58] <mwhudson> the image isn't installed until you provision the node
[01:59] <mwhudson> with maas, you're not expected to boot the device yourself ever -- maas does it
[01:59] <l1fe> yeah, unfortunately it doesn't seem to WoL
[01:59] <l1fe> and the end of every step seems to be the NUC shutting down, while maas thinks the node is "ready"
[02:00] <mwhudson> that's expected
[02:00] <mwhudson> the shutdown thing i mean
[02:00] <mwhudson> i think maas really expects some more uh enterprisey oob management
[02:00] <mwhudson> like ipmi or hp ilo
[02:01] <l1fe> right, it just never starts it back up - guessing that's why the folks who I think got NUC setup with maas used the non-haswell version with AMT enabled
[02:01] <mwhudson> yes
[02:01] <mwhudson> certainly i know that's why the orange box has that particular version...
[02:06] <l1fe> hmm that's kind of disappointing...guess I'll have to see if I can make this work somehow
[02:07] <mwhudson> you can always use the human pdu approach :)
[02:09] <l1fe> haha, that's basically what I've been doing - but the success rate seems to be lacking...
[12:37] <gmb`> allenap: Unless jtv has other ideas, you could start with adding the new config template / generation stuff for DHCPv6
[12:38] <allenap> gmb`: For DHCP?
[12:39]  * rvba agree with gmb.  The DHCP stuff is probably the next big thing to get sorted.
[12:39] <rvba> agrees* even
[12:39] <gmb> Yarp.
[12:39] <gmb> allenap: Yes.
[12:40] <allenap> gmb: Mucho gracias.
[12:40] <rvba> allenap: the trick is that we need to get two servers up and running.
[12:40] <gmb> De nada.
[12:40] <gmb> allenap: What rvba said. The config stuff is the easy part, but we’ll need two instance of dhcpd… which isn’t that hard either, but that’s potentially the trip-up point.
[12:46] <bigjools> seen this? http://www.test-ipv6.com/
[12:49] <rvba> Yep.  I've used it when testing that my ISP was supporting IPv6 out of the box.
[13:02] <bigjools> rvba: my modem doesn;t support ipv6 :/
[13:02] <rvba>  /o\
[13:04] <bigjools> rvba: stuck with tunnelling then
[13:04] <rvba> Yep
[13:54] <d4rkn3t>  hello dear, I neet help with MAAS/JUJU is there someone can help me? thanks
[13:54] <d4rkn3t> I've run the command "juju bootstrap --upload-tools -e maas --debug" during the all debug JUJU try to connect to a node "Node02Cluster01Svr:22". the node change its status from ready to allocated, with the OS in running. after 10 minutes the error is this "ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:305 waited for 10m0s without being able to connect: ssh: Could not resolve hostname node02cluster01svr: Name or service not known". In the Region Contro
[13:54] <d4rkn3t> ller I've set DNS and DHCP service.
[13:59] <AskUbuntu_> juju bootstrap using maas unable to ssh into nodes | http://askubuntu.com/q/490000
[14:04]  * rvba replies on http://askubuntu.com.
[18:33] <l1fe> can someone go over the different states that maas can be in? currently i have four nodes in "allocated to root" - does this mean they are ready to be used or is there something else that needs to happen?
[18:33] <l1fe> i tried to juju bootstrap, but I keep on getting 409 conflict with no nodes available
[18:34] <jhobbs> l1fe: allocated to root means they should be started and running
[18:34] <jhobbs> l1fe: since they're all allocated, there are no more for juju to bootstrap with
[18:35] <jhobbs> l1fe: you'll want to stop them if you want to make them available to juju; they should be in the Ready state then
[18:35] <l1fe> hmm ok
[18:35] <l1fe> i must be really confused about how maas and juju interact
[18:35] <l1fe> sorry for the obtuse questions :)
[21:57] <AskUbuntu_> deploying charms using juju fails with tcp connection timed out | http://askubuntu.com/q/490141


[23:19] <troyready> Anyone else join on the Edge crowd-funding campaign?
[23:24] <nhaines> troyready: exciting, isn't it?  I think they're actually going to make their fundraising goal.
[23:25] <troyready> Yeah, I'm super jazzed
[23:25] <troyready> Hoping I can stop carrying around a laptop next year
[23:26] <troyready> I'm kind of skeptical whether or not they'll make it, but I do really hope they do
[23:27] <troyready> I think it was the right answer, but I was sad to see in Shuttleworth's AMA today that he doesn't intend to make up the funding goal if it doesn't make it
[23:31] <nhaines> I hope he'd toss in the last $2000 or something, but outside of that I think the huge calls for him to just find the entire thing himself pretty crass.
[23:32] <nhaines> I have a Galaxy Nexus, so I already get Ubuntu for it.  No convergence, though.  :(  But there will be more Ubuntu phones.
[23:40] <troyready> True that
[23:41] <troyready> nhaines, have you switched to Ubuntu on the GN full time?