[04:04] <IrcsomeBot1> nggraham was added by: nggraham
 On 18.04, I'm seeing that after a recent update, Meta+left/right arrow keys as well as Alt+left/right arrow keys now switch between virtual terminals. Is anyone else experiencing this?
 hello people
 i'm currently tweaking kubuntu 18.04 on my laptop
 i've got one big problem, battery life is shit
 it's got a 30Wh battery, and the draw averaged 10W~ or so, which is awful, I installed TLP and tweaked some stuff and still got it down to 6W and 4W on idle
 but I'm pretty sure there's some deep C-level or so on this laptop which can pull slightly more
 any tips?
 it's an i5 8250U or something
 either way, I'd like to know if there's a known way to practically turn my computer into the slowest possible thing we can think of plus pulling an extra hour or so
 because I want to use it for typing at uni or so, and I don't really think I need all the cores :P
[06:51] <mobile_c> how do i fix this
[06:51] <mobile_c> qemu-system-x86_64: OpenGL support is disabled
[06:51] <mobile_c> SDL1 display code has no opengl support.
[06:51] <mobile_c> Please recompile qemu with SDL2, using
[06:51] <mobile_c> ./configure --enable-sdl --with-sdlabi=2.0
[06:54] <diogenes_> mobile_c, well you gave the answer to your question
[12:03] <mobile_c_> how do i fix this        Please install opengl (mesa) devel pkgs: epoxy gbm
[12:03] <mobile_c_> i did sudo apt install libepoxy-dev libepoxy0 gdm3 libgdm-dev libgdm1
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:33] <Delvien> I just upgraded to an ultrawide 21:9 monitor, KDE opens up anything from the notification tray in an odd position: https://i.imgur.com/CFiFD2e.jpg
[13:34] <Delvien> krunner is off center as well
[19:47] <madLyfe> i have a dual boot setup of win and ubuntu currently, each OS has its own SSD, i was wondering if i can just install kubuntu along side ubuntu?
[19:47] <madLyfe> i guess i just want kubuntu but i may want to also add KDE-Neon along side that later so better to understand adding another nix os anyways..
[20:12] <memphisto> hi, just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04; i have really, really long boot
[20:12] <memphisto> Startup finished in 4.270s (kernel) + 1min 18.645s (userspace) = 1min 22.916s
[20:13] <memphisto> could someone help trim this time a bit
[20:24] <memphisto> Also i have very pixeliesed google-chrome icon in panel when google chrome is open
[20:25] <memphisto> how to fix that
[21:51] <coderphive> I disabled blur as a desktop effect yet my screen is like freaking the fuck out and randomly burring and unblurring everything
[21:51] <coderphive> Anyone know the compositor has lost it's fucking mind?
[21:56] <coderphive> This is honestly the dumbest behavior I think I've ever seen
[21:56] <coderphive> Even if you disable the compositor it keeps doing it
[21:56] <coderphive> gg
[22:03] <coderphive> lol
[22:03] <coderphive> I cannot work like this
[22:03] <coderphive> jesus
[22:03] <coderphive> Can someone help me figure this disaster of a feature out


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRolnDbTwDo
 @acheronuk, kool
[09:17] <acheronuk> updated the beta 1 notes a bit
[09:17] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Beta1/Kubuntu#Other_highlights.2Fnotes
[09:17] <acheronuk> please check
 Looks like Canonical have installed an SSL cert on kubuntu.org
 Need to fix the non-https stuff
[15:32] <clivejo> ahoneybun: is the kubuntu theme somewhere on LP bzr or git?
[15:33] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website
[20:37] <valorie> acheronuk: thanks so much for those updates
[20:37] <valorie> that actually rates a kubuntu.org story, I think?
[20:39] <clivejo> rates?
[20:40] <clivejo> anyone know how we make changes to the kubuntu.org theme?
[20:40] <clivejo> the online editor seems to be disabled
[20:46] <valorie> hmmmm
[20:46] <valorie> I hate wordpress
[20:46] <valorie> so dunno
[20:46] <valorie> ahoneybun?
[20:46] <clivejo> I hate how locked down this one is
[20:46] <valorie> I think ovi knows as well
[20:46] <valorie> well, open it up!
[20:47] <valorie> it's ours
[20:47] <valorie> we can do as we like, surely?
[20:47] <clivejo> Ovi is on a romantic get away and not to be disturbed!
[20:47] <valorie> aha
 Locked down?
[20:48] <clivejo> yeah, can't edit the theme, can't even update the plugins
[20:48] <clivejo> or install new Wordpress versions
[20:48] <clivejo> why can't the theme be kept in LP git?
[20:49] <clivejo> its only a tiny tweak to use https instead of http
[20:49] <clivejo> so that browsers keep the green padlock
[20:50] <valorie> is that something we have to request via RT?
[20:50] <valorie> if so, ick
[20:50] <clivejo> oh, that bug report isn't the issue
[20:50] <valorie> and perhaps we should then ask them if we can keep the theme in LP git
[20:51] <clivejo> the main page has those two URL's and it is fine
[20:51] <clivejo> must be something else
 The theme is on ovis githun
[20:56] <clivejo> ah, its the form call
[20:56] <clivejo> <form id="14.04.5download" class="form_download" action="http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04.5/release/kubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso" method="get">
[20:57] <clivejo> oh great cdimage.ubuntu.com hasn't got https
[20:57] <clivejo> that's useful
[20:58] <clivejo> ahoneybun: you reckon RT would install cert on there?
[21:00] <acheronuk> https breaks zsync
 That might be why
[21:06] <clivejo> you don't have to use it
 Use zsync?
[21:06] <clivejo> no https
[21:06] <clivejo> lots of sites use both
 You want https on cdimage?
[21:07] <acheronuk> the don't 'have' to have https either
[21:07] <acheronuk> but having it would create lots of broken zsync links, which people would get by default if they don't know better
[21:08] <acheronuk> clivejo: why is https wanted?
[21:08] <clivejo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1714446
[21:09] <clivejo> the download page uses a form to figure out the link the visitor needs
[21:09] <clivejo> chrome sees that as insecure and degrades the page to insecure
[21:09] <acheronuk> so what?
[21:10]  * clivejo shrugs
 People worry about no https
[21:12]  * acheronuk forgets we have to cater for stupid people!
 Not really stupid just paranoid
[21:12] <acheronuk> same thing in many cases
[21:14] <valorie> I wouldn't use a bank website without https
[21:15] <clivejo> all major distro's have secure websites, these days https://www.linuxmint.com https://neon.kde.org https://www.debian.org https://www.centos.org https://www.redhat.com even https://www.ubuntu.com
[21:15] <valorie> or anyone who wanted/needed personal info
[21:15] <clivejo> it's the way things are going
 We do have https it's canonial from the looks of it
[21:16] <clivejo> and people do take note of it, hence the BR
 https://www.simple.com
 Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I think about it
 Or is it canonical mm
[21:17] <acheronuk> mate just uses links to http cdimage in their download page with no issue
 @acheronuk, So does Lubuntu
[21:18] <clivejo> I just noticed that we seem to be the only one without a https link on https://distrowatch.com/
[21:18] <acheronuk> making canonical switch and break stuff to fix an issue on our DL page we should be fixing seems OTT
 It's not ours
[21:24] <clivejo> I like the way Mate do it
[21:25] <clivejo> using <a> links
[21:26] <clivejo> also have the beta 1 available
[21:29] <valorie> oh nice
[21:39] <clivejo> anyone have issues with me replacing the <form>'s with plain <a> links?
[21:40] <clivejo> won't look as pretty :(
[21:44] <valorie> whatever works best
 You can style a tags...
[21:56] <clivejo> https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[21:56] <valorie> ok folks, I'm going to go afk for days
[21:56] <valorie> might have some telegram, possibly
[21:56] <clivejo> last entry for 14.04.5 LTS
[21:56] <valorie> ciao, and see you Monday
[21:57] <clivejo> valorie: can you check that out?
[21:57] <valorie> looks great!
[21:57] <valorie> in Chrome
[21:58] <clivejo> maybe someone else can make it pretty
[21:58] <clivejo> happy, to do all the version on the page the same?
[21:59] <clivejo> maybe when Ovi is back we can look into doing something like Mint does
[22:34] <clivejo> https://kubuntu.org/support/ looks like the IRC webclient is injecting insecure content too
[22:35] <clivejo> scorecardresearch.com
[22:35] <clivejo> sounds like tracking :/
[22:38] <clivejo>  ScorecardResearch conducts research by collecting Internet web browsing data and then uses that data to help show how people use the Internet, what they like about it, and what they don’t.
[22:39] <clivejo> I would suggest that be changed to less invasive service such as https://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=%23kubuntu&prompt=1&uio=d4
[22:40] <clivejo> its also on the https://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-podcast/ page


[08:57] <l2y> hallyn: I ended up matching for "upstart" in the output of "initctl --version"
[08:57] <l2y> can one stop multiple services at once on upstart? like `service one two three stop`
[12:57] <hallyn> don't think so, not according to manpages


[03:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Just tagged a release, feel free to post to linux audio announce. :)
[03:28] <Eickmeyer> Also, uploaded to Groovy and backports, will be hitting Fedora with it tomorrow.
[04:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: what version of debhelper is the going thing? (=13) fails?
[04:48] <OvenWerks> from buildlog for controls.
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ignore that, the version in backports is correct, I should probably disable the autobuilds for controls. 13 is in Groovy.
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: In order to backport Studio Controls, I had to dummy package ubuntustudio-controls and backport the new version of ubuntustudio-installer for the dependencies. Also, with lsp-plugins, in switching to the Debian version, it appears as though some stuff kinda broke.
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> People are going to need to do "sudo apt full-upgrade" or "sudo apt dist-upgrade".
 how far are you planning on backporting or are you only backporting to Focal?
 because dh 12 is the latest in -backports for Bionic ;)
[18:07] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Just to Focal. We're not backporting to Bionic any further. I manually changed it in d/control for the package in the backports PPA.
 cool just making sure ;)
[21:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have 3 bugs to take care of, probably tomorrow morning
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Sounds good.
[21:43] <OvenWerks> (one should really create bridges _before_ trying to connect to them)


 Mozilla Firefox just freezed the download
 it’s not going forward
 I’m restarting it
[00:01] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. If it says it failed, hit the restart button again.
[00:01]  * arraybolt3[m] grumbles at GitHub
 I closed firefox and now it says i can’t open it because process are already running
 how to close all of them?
[00:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Wait for it and then try to open it again.
[00:05] <arraybolt3[m]> Really, though, with how much trouble GitHub is causing, you may want to just give up and stick with Fedora or some other Linux distro. There's a Fedora KDE spin if you want something more like Kubuntu.
 https://imgur.com/a/BTypUdI
[00:06] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. OK, in that instance, open System Monitor, and end any Firefox process that's running.
[00:07] <arraybolt3[m]> There should be a Search button in System Monitor that lets you find Firefox (it's in the upper-right hand corner).
 yep done
[00:16] <arraybolt3[m]> (Just a clarification - we don't have to give up on this if you're happy to keep trying. I just hate that you're having this much trouble trying to just get Linux running on your laptop.)
 Yeah man, I appreciate you so much for what are you doing
[00:18] <arraybolt3[m]> The last thing I can think of for trying to get the download to work right would be, Open up Files, navigate to your flash drive, right-click in the empty spot of the drive, and click "Open in Terminal" or something like that.
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Then trun "wget https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.1" and wait for it to download. If that works, then do "wget https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.2", and if that works, do "wget https://github.com/ArrayBolt3/KubuntuPreinstalled/releases/download/7.31.2022/kubuntu.gz.3". If that works, then all three files are downloaded and we
[00:19] <arraybolt3[m]> can finally try to flash them again.
[00:20] <arraybolt3[m]> (Replace "trun" with "run", silly typo)
 well i could download the first file on the pendrive but the it disappeared from the file manager
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> :( wow, guess the pendrive must be messed up then?
 idk, it is shown in disks
 but not in file manager
[00:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Try closing and reopening file manager maybe?
 and now of course mozilla fails downloading every file
 tried (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Try closing and reopening file manager maybe?)
 same thing for the 64 GB pendrive
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> If that doesn't work, then I think we're stuck. All of the "download and flash in one go" commands fail, the flash drive is failing, and I already know that RAM can't hold it all, so... I guess that's all we can do. I mean, you could try to boot from the 64 GB drive and flash Kubuntu to the SD card.
 it has like a problem with pendrives
[00:29] <arraybolt3[m]> That's just so weird. Maybe your whole system would work better if you booted from the SD card?  Maybe your whole system would work better if you booted from the SD card? I mean, how big is your SD card?)
 Can’t we make these stuff from windows?
[00:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Blah.
 like downloading and others stuffs
[00:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Possibly, but if GitHub is the problem for some of it, Windows probably won't help much.
[00:31] <arraybolt3[m]> (I could be wrong, but that's what I'd think.)
 understood
 Well, we can try this tomorrow, it’s 2:30 a.m. here, i’m going to sleep
[00:31] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Sorry it's still not working, glad that Fedora is starting to work better!
 yess, thx for everything man
[00:32] <arraybolt3[m]> 👍 Glad to be able to help!
 hi
[03:01] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: 👋
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Good morning, I tried Pop_OS and it recognizes my SSD in disks (with all partition) but not during installation, after trying the installation it disappeared also from disks (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Sorry it's still not working, glad that Fedora is starting to work better!)
 Idk, maybe it is related with mounting disks
[13:17] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Really? OK, that's odd and cool. Are you able to access the SSD with the file manager?
 https://imgur.com/a/8J3yxaC
 I can’t from file manager
[13:20] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: Can you give me the URL after running "lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999"?
 https://imgur.com/a/dguEoof
[13:24] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: You have to be connected to the Internet to make that command work.
 ahh okay
[13:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: If that's not an option at the moment, just run "lsblk" and then send a picture of the screen.
 https://termbin.com/wyd6
 no, i just hadn’t connected (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: If that's not an option at the moment, just run "lsblk" and then send a picture of the screen.)
 Btw Pop_Os seems to work really well on this computer respect to fedora
[13:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Sure looks like it's working mighty good if it can detect the SSD. That's so weird, it looks like it's detecting it just fine. Can you try to install and show me the error it gives?
 which one? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/af33044a/file_58501.jpg
[13:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Custom.
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/48bc722a/file_58502.jpg
[13:31] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: ??? That's... wrong.
 I clicked on custom
[13:32] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: I wonder if Windows on this laptop is doing something quirky to the partition table that's causing all our woes here.
[13:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, I know, you did it right, but your laptop is being rebellious.
 In the left it shows me partitions, in the right no : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/caa79d7b/file_58503.jpg
[13:35] <arraybolt3[m]> You've got the wrong disk selected in GParted - see the drop-down in the upper-right corner? Click it and then click /dev/sda.
 Can’t select that, it doesn’t show
 i’m restarting and redoing that
[13:38] <Elliria> Hey there. Is there a way to get the icons on the Desktop to appear from the top down instead of from left to right?
 strange thing : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6b4e4fc7/file_58504.jpg
 I can boot two times from the flash drive
 I’ll try the first-one
[13:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Welcome to the world of buggy firmware. :D
 An important thing: when i flashed this drive I used Rufus, but with Pop_Os I couldn’t choose between MPR or GPT, it was set on MPR, could it be a problem?
[13:42] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: If it boots, you're probably OK.
 ok
 After rebooting, it gives me always this error when I click during the custom installation on “Manage Partition” (that opens GParted) : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/05cade71/file_58505.jpg
 Before I clicked on Ignore, if I click on Retry nothing happens
[13:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Bah, sounds like the same problem that was causing the SSD to not be recognized at all.
 But in disks again it shows partitions
[13:44] <arraybolt3[m]> I think the Linux kernel is just buggy here (or Samsung's stuff is, one of the two). Your laptop uses a very weird kind of SSD called an eUFS chip, which is Samsung's doing. Linux is supposed to support it, but as you can see...
 mhh interesting
 The problem is that it doesn’t let me install Pop_os on the drive, it gives me an error of installation (maybe because Pop_Os is bigger than Fedora and the flash drive of 8GB doesn’t work?)
[13:46] <arraybolt3[m]> It's not letting you install Pop!_OS to the SSD probably because of those pesky input/output errors. Or do you mean you can't even install it to your 64GB drive? Or are you booting the ISO from the 64 GB drive and trying to install to the 8 GB drive?
[13:47] <arraybolt3[m]> (If you're trying to install to the 8 GB drive, that almost certainly won't work - flash to the 8GB drive and install to the 64 GB.)
 Before I was flashing from 8GB and trying to install on 64 one (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> It's not letting you install Pop!_OS to the SSD probably because of those pesky input/output errors. Or do you mean you can't even install it to your 64GB drive? Or are you booting the ISO from the 64 GB drive and trying to install to the 8 GB drive?)
 Btw in Clean installation this appears : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6691a4d1/file_58506.jpg
[13:48] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, try clicking Custom when you go to install this time.
 okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: OK, try clicking Custom when you go to install this time.)
[13:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Is it just not showing the 64 GB drive?
 Apparently no (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Is it just not showing the 64 GB drive?)
 i’m atm flashed with 64 GB and have no others drive in
 it’s the internal ssd (re @I_it_depends_I: )
[13:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh. That's the problem. Flash to the 8 GB and then boot from that.
[13:50] <arraybolt3[m]> You can't install to the same drive you're booted from.
 yep yep, i was talking about the ssd, I wasn’t clear
 In this moment i wasnt trying to install on usb
 just showing u that in clean installation something of ssd is recognized
[13:51] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that makes sense. It's interesting that it's kinda sorta accessing the SSD but not quite doing it right. Sounds like a kernel bug to me.
 Yes maybe, now i’ll reboot from 8gb sd flashed drive (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> OK, that makes sense. It's interesting that it's kinda sorta accessing the SSD but not quite doing it right. Sounds like a kernel bug to me.)
 and try to install on 64 GB one (re @I_it_depends_I: Yes maybe, now i’ll reboot from 8gb sd flashed drive)
[13:53] <arraybolt3[m]> That's what I'd try to do. We know that has a good chance of working.
[13:54] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sooner or later we're gonna get some distro to work hopefully! It may not even end up being Kubuntu, but if we throw enough spaghetti against the wall, something should stick eventually!)
 ahahahahaha
 i hope that
 Here I am, whith the flash 8gb and the 64 Gb on which i want to install this : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/34785fbd/file_58507.jpg
 Here I am, with the flash 8gb and the 64 Gb on which i want to install this : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/34785fbd/file_58507.jpg
[13:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Yay. OK, actually, back up and use "Clean" instead.
[13:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (I think hit "Cancel Installation".)
 I want to erase everything from 64 (atm there is flashed pop_OS
 I want to erase everything from 64 (atm there is flashed pop_OS)
 okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Yay. OK, actually, back up and use "Clean" instead.)
[13:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, and the Clean installation should do that.
 So just select the pendrive and “Erase and Install”, right?
 I’ve done that before but it gave me an error
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/151af605/file_58508.jpg
[13:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, Erase and Install should do it.
 we’ll see
 As before, it stuck at 75%
[14:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Can you just wait for it?
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2dc9e9cc/file_58509.jpg
[14:04] <arraybolt3[m]> And if so, what's the error?
[14:04] <arraybolt3[m]> Or does it give an error message after a while?
 then failed : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/35c51956/file_58510.jpg
[14:05] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, "cat /tmp/installer.log | nc termbin.com 9999" while connected to the Internet, then send the link.
 https://termbin.com/s9v4
[14:08] <arraybolt3> @I_it_depends_I: Blah. Looks like one of the drives is damaged or your ISO is corrupted.
 Yep, think is a problem of flashdrive
 in fact balenaetcher couldnt flash it but rufus could
 for the 8GB one, but no problem with both balenaetcher and rufus with the 64 one
[14:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that definitely sounds like drive problems. You may want to consider buying some new drives.
 Yep, think i’ll do thst
 Also because Pop_Os seems to be really fast, surely faster than windows in almost everything
 Hate to ask you this thing in a Kubuntu group, but do you know other distro that could work and that are generally better than Pop_Os (just to know, I think that this distro works well, but maybe there are others)
 Another thing, in Pop_Os the some device audio is detected but it’s “dummy audio”, is it a problem of some driver or things like that? Could they be solved?
 And also: I’m gonna buy a micro SD because i can put it directly into the computer (so that i will forget that) what speed is necessary for a well working thing?
 I can confirm that now that I installed on an sd of 128 GB, the unique problem is the “dummy output” and the blutooth (re @I_it_depends_I: Also because Pop_Os seems to be really fast, surely faster than windows in almost everything)
 I can confirm that now that I installed that OS on an sd of 128 GB, the unique problem is the “dummy output” and the blutooth (re @I_it_depends_I: Also because Pop_Os seems to be really fast, surely faster than windows in almost everything)
[15:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Sorry to have been gone for so long, had a small explosion in the development side of things.
[15:58] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: The dummy output problem might be solvable if it's just missing firmware, so maybe trying "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" and sending me the URL will help. Also do "sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" and send that link too.
 Okay, sending it
[15:59] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: As for SD card speed, higher is obviously better, but you don't have to go crazy. 90 MB/s should be more than sufficient, though 130 MB/s would make the system snappier.
[16:01] <arraybolt3[m]> (I was comfortable with a system that only has around 12 MB/s - now I do have some patience, and apps didn't exactly pop onto the screen in an instant, but it was more than livable.)
 120MB/s then are good
 think I made some mistake : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c7516600/file_58511.jpg
 I installed things to try to make it works
 when i rebooted on it this appeared
 At worst i’ll reinstall the Os
 problem is that i can’t write there
[16:05] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, one moment...
[16:06] <arraybolt3[m]> @I_it_depends_I: So, at this weird prompt, would you mind typing "ls /dev" and then showing me the screen?
 If i have to reinstall the Os it’s not a problem
 Keyboard doesn’t work there
 that’s the fact
[16:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh happy day! </sarcsam>
[16:07] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, yeah, if the keyboard won't even work here, then... I guess reinstall time it is.
 Okay thx
[16:08] <arraybolt3[m]> If we could type commands into that handy prompt, we could likely recover it, but no keyboard = no fixing it.
 It’s sad because if in the futute i did something wrong I would reinstall everything
 this “Refresh Install” could be useful? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/cbf701ba/file_58512.jpg
 Tried that but didnt work
 i’m doing clean installation
 Btw i’ll buy a usb keyboard, that should work there
[16:39] <arraybolt3[m]> +1 on the USB keyboard
[17:01] <oerheks> -1 for pop-os
[17:08] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Yes, I know, but this whole ordeal is just trying to get SOME distro to run so we know what to do to get Kubuntu to run (if they want to do that once something's working). So I know this looks wildly off-topic, but it's not.
 Hi
 arraybolt3
[17:10] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Hello!
 How are you!
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: You should've seen the run-around we've had with this system - Kubuntu, a custom Kubuntu image I built, Fedora Rawhide, Fedora 36, and now Pop!_OS, it's been crazy. Don't ever buy a Samsung Galaxy Book S, lesson learned.
[17:11] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Pretty good. Anything we can help with?
 Yeah (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Pretty good. Anything we can help with?)
[17:12] <oerheks> is he using wired internet during install? that could explain some questions
[17:12] <oerheks> and installing on sd card, downside is too fast shutdown..
[17:12] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Nope, but the Wi-Fi works. The problem I think is the kernel. Ubuntu wouldn't even let the installer boot, Rawhide and Fedora 36 would, Pop would. The internal SSD isn't even visible no matter which distro we use (thanks to Samsung's eUFS chip).
[17:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (Actually, that's not totally true, Pop can see the partitions on the eUFS chip, but that's about it - it gets spurious IO errors and can't install to the free partition.)
[17:13] <oerheks> disable secureboot?
[17:13] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Pretty sure we did that.
[17:14] <oerheks> well, good luck with that
[17:14] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: It's a 2020 laptop with extremely funky hardware, it's not like this was unexpected, but boy has it been confusing.
[17:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Thanks, we're gonna need it!
[17:15] <oerheks> too new hardware .. bios update?
[17:16] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: I'm not finding any updates for the laptop.
[17:18] <arraybolt3[m]> oerheks: Maybe Windows Update will do it, that's what it looks like Samsung uses to distribute BIOS updates (or something?)
[17:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Actually here it is. @I_it_depends_I: BIOS update might help some of your problems. https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/computers-it/samsung-galaxy-book-bios-update-ver-p17cfd-fails/td-p/5260416
[17:20] <oerheks> no idea, check the laptop model + bios update + linux..
 With meta+w  and kde connect (re @Oov: Yeah)
[17:41] <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Sorry for my absence, I'm dealing with multiple things at once over on my end.
 wow thx (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Actually here it is. @I_it_depends_I: BIOS update might help some of your problems. https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/computers-it/samsung-galaxy-book-bios-update-ver-p17cfd-fails/td-p/5260416)
 Btw idk why but i can’t install pop_os again, it gives me the error
 with this could I install Kubuntu? (maybe?) (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> Actually here it is. @I_it_depends_I: BIOS update might help some of your problems. https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/computers-it/samsung-galaxy-book-bios-update-ver-p17cfd-fails/td-p/5260416)
 (sorry for my absence, i wasnt at home)
 I understand don't be sorry :-) (re @IrcsomeBot: <arraybolt3[m]> @Oov: Sorry for my absence, I'm dealing with multiple things at once over on my end.)
 Hello i need help with noson flatpak on kubuntu
 Amazon prime music not playing music
 But my sonos spundbar is sern in the app and it says this action not working. Just tune in working
[18:29] <oerheks> why flatpak, noson is available as snap https://snapcraft.io/noson
[18:29] <oerheks> and looking for issues, users can connect with cli, not the gui ..
[18:41] <olina> hi all. I would appriciate some help with kubuntu network setup.
[19:00] <user|65> Boa tarde a todos.
[19:01] <user|65> Estou com problemas no SSDM Login. Depois de definir o papel de parede, a tela de login ficou bugada. Como restauro ao original?
[19:02] <user|65> I'm having trouble with SSDM Login. After setting the wallpaper, the login screen became buggy. How do I restore the original?
[20:12] <mparillo> I always find that using System Settings to reset the Global Theme back to breeze, and then Login Screen (SDDM) Apply Plasma Settings.


[02:57] <wgrant> lifeless: Upgrading from fixtures 0.3.10 to 0.3.11 generates some garbage. Any ideas why?
[02:58] <wgrant> Tests generated new (2) garbage:
[02:58] <wgrant> [<io.TextIOWrapper object at 0x12781bec>, <io.BytesIO object at 0x1185392c>]
[02:58] <StevenK> wgrant: You've really been on an upgrade kick ...
[02:59] <wgrant> StevenK: Well, we're 3-4 years behind on most things
[02:59] <wgrant> Last week we upgraded Zope and YUI, this week I'm upgrading everything else.
[02:59] <StevenK> We weren't that far behind on YUI
[02:59] <StevenK> Maybe we need to downgrade to 2 or something
[06:43] <StevenK> containing_div_node.addClass('yui3-skin-sam');
[06:43] <StevenK> Which doesn't help
[06:43] <StevenK> Calendar, you're beginning to annoy me
[07:03] <lifeless> wgrant: garbage?
[07:13] <wgrant> lifeless: gc.garbage that remains after a gc.collect()
[07:13] <wgrant> Presumably due to reference cycles
[07:13] <lifeless> I don't know why that isn't collected, TextIOWrapper -> BytesIO is a one way ref.
[07:14] <wgrant> Yeah, that's what it looks like :/
[07:14] <wgrant> Maybe the TextIOWrapper is referenced elsewhere
[07:15] <wgrant> But then it shouldn't be garbage
[07:16] <czajkowski> Gooooooood morning
[07:17] <wgrant> Morning czajkowski
[07:29] <lifeless> wgrant: so the Q is can you reproduce it.
[07:29] <lifeless> Gnight.
[07:32] <wgrant> lifeless: It's easy to reproduce as part of a particular LP test, but I was going to check if you knew anything before isolating.
[07:32] <wgrant> Will do so
[07:34] <czajkowski> cjwatson: when you're about can you give me a shout please, I seem to have broken something on my machine and in need of your assitance, for this I shall send you cake and biscuits :)
[08:28] <cjwatson> czajkowski: Hi
[08:29] <cjwatson> wgrant: So, I think I ended up not using fmt:link here because an earlier version rendered a link for primary archives as well (and I've reverted to that version per your feedback) and there's no link implementation for Archives other than PPAs
[08:30] <cjwatson> wgrant: And as a result the TAL ended up being annoyingly cumbersome with fmt:link, rather than simpler as it's meant to be
[08:30] <wgrant> cjwatson: Oh, it just leaves primary archives unlinked?
[08:30] <wgrant> And copy archives too?
[08:31] <czajkowski> cjwatson: shall move to kernel and fill you in there
[08:31] <czajkowski> or is foundation better?
[08:31] <cjwatson> czajkowski: What's it about?
[08:31] <cjwatson> There's no foundations channel, intentionally
[08:31] <czajkowski> ahh
[08:31] <cjwatson> And I'm not a kernel developer, so I doubt that's appropriate :)
[08:31] <czajkowski> cjwatson: on start up this morning I'm http://ubuntuone.com/1REKSBU0jU7XITkpfBK0RQ
[08:32] <cjwatson> wgrant: Trying to use fmt:link on a primary archive raises NotImplementedError
[08:32] <wgrant> cjwatson: Well that's a bit crap.
[08:32] <cjwatson> wgrant: Maybe I should add a generic link implementation for archives that does <a class="sprite distribution" etc>?
[08:32] <wgrant> Yet easily fixed, and it probably makes sense
[08:32] <wgrant> Yeah
[08:33] <wgrant> Copy archives should probably use the PPA icon, but primary/partner can use the distro one
[08:33] <cjwatson> And we can use that for all other archives, and probably delete some insane TAL elsewhere
[08:33] <wgrant> They could even link directly to the distro
[08:33] <cjwatson> czajkowski: Nothing wrong with that - you might get the menu when you don't normally if a previous boot failed
[08:34] <cjwatson> But just press Enter and carry on
[08:34] <czajkowski> cjwatson: aye I did then I went to ubuntu advanced and moved down to recovery kernel. but no matter how many reboots I still up at that screen :/
[08:34] <cjwatson> recovery kernel won't count as a successful boot
[08:35] <cjwatson> the point of this is to show the menu when people seem to be having trouble
[08:36] <cjwatson> now, if you see it after a non-recovery boot, that's a bit odd and we can investigate in #ubuntu-devel
[08:37] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[08:37] <czajkowski> cheers cjwatson  :)
[08:45] <cjwatson> wgrant: Do <adapter /> directives in lib/lp/app/browser/configure.zcml magically pick the closest match somehow, or do I need to take inheritance into account?
[08:46] <cjwatson> Also, I happened to notice that https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad/+junk/dbpatches/view/head:/allocated.txt seems to be missing 2209-43-0
[08:47] <wgrant> cjwatson: It should pick the closest adapter
[08:48] <wgrant> So an IPPA adapter will override one for IArchive for PPAs
[08:51] <cjwatson> OK.  Though, hmm, I wonder how "closest" is defined given that IPPA is only done by alsoProvides
[08:52] <wgrant> Oh, true
[08:52] <wgrant> That's a good question...
[08:52] <cjwatson> Maybe it'd be clearer to turn PPAFormatterAPI into ArchiveFormatterAPI and do the checks explicitly
[08:53] <wgrant> Quite likely.
[09:03] <cjwatson> wgrant: Copy archive icon - using the PPA icon would be inconsistent with ArchiveImageDisplayAPI.icon ("ArchivePurpose.COPY: '/@@/distribution'").  Do you want that changed?
[09:08] <wgrant> cjwatson: I'd forgotten there was precedent, so go with that.
[10:03] <cjwatson> wgrant: Is there any precedent anywhere for what to do when trying to render a copy from an inaccessible private PPA?  The current version is 'Sync from <tal:archive content="source_archive/displayname" />, ...'; if I do the naïve thing and replace that with 'Sync from <a tal:replace="structure source_archive/fmt:link" />, ...', I end up with "Sync from , ..." in the output which is less than ideal
[10:22] <cjwatson> I guess something like SourcePublishingRecordView.linkify_source_archive
[10:43] <wgrant> cjwatson: For private teams we say <redacted>, IIRC
[10:43] <wgrant> Should probably do a similar thing here.
[10:43] <cjwatson> At the moment I think we must show the archive displayname
[10:44] <cjwatson> But I suppose arguably that's wrong
[10:45] <cjwatson> Perhaps also "Building private job" as precedent
[10:45] <wgrant> Yeah, maybe
[10:45] <cjwatson> So it's tempting to say "Sync from private archive"
[10:46] <wgrant> Indeed
[11:06] <cjwatson> wgrant: OK, would you mind re-reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-copy-archive-links/+merge/159250 ?  I know you approved already, but the changes are fairly substantial.
[11:07] <cjwatson> I suspect I'll have some doctest damage, which I'll let EC2 catch
[11:19] <wgrant> cjwatson: That looks fine. Thanks.
[11:25] <cjwatson> Now, I wonder why my EC2 setup is busted ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715669/
[11:37] <wgrant> cjwatson: Seems to be a change in python-boto. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5715687/ seems to fix it
[11:37] <cjwatson> Hm, the python-boto package hasn't changed since last May
[11:38] <cjwatson> I wonder if it's an EC2 change tickling an existing bug
[11:38] <wgrant> Could be
[11:38] <wgrant> I use it so infrequently that I didn't bother to do more than hack it to work.
[11:51] <cjwatson> wgrant: Much better, thanks
[16:11] <cjwatson> Grr, these failures didn't show up in ec2, probably because the test runner there apparently hung :-/
[16:12] <cjwatson> Oh well, should be easy enough to fix
[16:48] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/queue-copy-archive-links-testfix/+merge/159442 - test fixes, could use a review


[17:17] <c7p> hello all
[19:42] <c7p> godbyk: aloha
[19:56] <godbyk> Hey, c7p.
[19:56] <godbyk> I just finished updating the jobs page: http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs.  What do you think?
[19:57] <c7p> perfect !
[19:58] <c7p> sorry for pinging too much lately
[20:07] <godbyk> no worres.
[20:07] <godbyk> no worries, rather.
[20:30] <c7p> godbyk: is there http://planet.ubuntu-manual.org/ anymore ?
[20:34] <godbyk> c7p: That was hosted by dutchie, I think.
[20:34] <c7p> ah ok


[10:40] <dakj> hello guy, i need a support with juju and its model. can anyone help me? how do i've to do for adding a new node on a model already present and deploy Landscape-client via gui? thanks in advance


[00:41] <pat> hello
[00:41] <pat> can anyone give me some guidance on installing ubuntu-touch on htc evo?
[02:39] <nickgee667> hey
[02:39] <nickgee667> i just installed ubuntu touch on my htc after planning to for a while now... one question.  i cant change the time on it?  is this because its a developer thingy?
[06:33] <Guest47769> installation using ubuntu 10.4
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> Guest47769, lucid is end of life in a day and a half.
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> the desktop
[06:40] <Guest47769> is there any chance  to install ubuntu  using lucid lynx
[06:40] <Guest47769> launchpad is not available can we download it from outside
[06:42] <Guest47769> ubuntu touch installation easy method.
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[06:42] <Guest47769> good morning
[06:45] <tvoss> ogra_, good morning :)
[06:48] <Guest47769> can any one say about ubuntu touch
[06:50] <Guest47769> help me to know more about ubuntu one touch installation on tablet
[06:51] <Guest47769> how to root android
[06:51] <Guest47769> pls answer
[06:51] <wilee-nilee> ##android_root
[06:52] <wilee-nilee> sorrry ##android-root
[06:53] <wilee-nilee> Heh  #android-root
[08:03] <jykae> I've been thinking to try on my SGS II but it's my main use phone, so I don't want to miss the Android OS. Has anyone here tried Ubuntu Touch on SGS II ? Does it make sense to make dualboot for SGS II ?
[08:27] <ogra_> tvoss, hey
[08:28] <tvoss> ogra_, hey there :) damn, forgot what I meant to ask you :)
[08:28] <ogra_> heh
[08:29] <tvoss> tvoss, or can I be of assistance?
[08:37] <pete-woods> QML question for anyone around: Is it possible to access the length of a QAbstractListModel / QAbstractItemModel in QML? Or do I need to add a separate Qt property to access that information?
[09:02] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: does count work?
[09:03] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: unfortunately not, that property doesn't seem to be defined for those classes
[09:03] <tsdgeos> right
[09:06] <tsdgeos> listmodel should have it tbh
[09:06] <tsdgeos> but doesn't
[09:07] <pete-woods> yeah
[09:07] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: this is not for UnityShell code, right?
[09:08] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: it is, but really I'm just doing the wiring of an API I'm making into a UI that someone else has written
[09:08] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: and so trying to make it a nice API for a QML user
[09:08] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: in the shell we have QSortFilterProxyModel that you can wrap a model with
[09:08] <tsdgeos> and has the count properyy
[09:08] <tsdgeos> but if you can provide it better i guess
[09:09] <pete-woods> ha! :)
[09:09] <tsdgeos> doesn't make much sense to wrap it in a proxymodel just to get the count property :D
[09:11] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: this should do it http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/739700/
[09:11] <tsdgeos> ah
[09:11] <tsdgeos> and the signal declarion
[09:11] <tsdgeos> +t
[09:12] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: thanks! :) now submit patch to Qt please ;)
[09:19] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: yeah i guess it'd make sense for someone to do :D
[09:24] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: it also seems that the sphinx voxforge model has also been accepted into Raring, so we can use sphinx with an international acoustic model now, too :)
[09:24] <tsdgeos> nice
[09:58] <rmonge> hello
[09:59] <rmonge> can i instal ubuntu phone in htc sensation?
[11:03] <WebbyIT> Hi all! In which PPA can I found qtdeclarative5-hud1.0?
[11:03] <WebbyIT> I have ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa but there isn't!
[12:10] <WebbyIT> Hi all! In which PPA can I found qtdeclarative5-hud1.0?
[12:17] <Mirv> WebbyIT: at least in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next
[12:19] <esperolinuxien> hi
[12:20] <esperolinuxien> I wanted to install ubuntu on my Galaxy Tab (found this link : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/p4wifi) but the links to download are dead
[12:20] <esperolinuxien> any help ?
[12:25] <WebbyIT> thanks Mirv :)
[13:12] <popey> Apologies if people are getting lots of bug spam from me today, moving bugs around a bit and making them public..
[13:42] <dorsatum> i've just downloaded the Ubuntu SDK preview from the site using the terminal as suggested. After that i was following the Currency Converter tutorial, under which i should see an option of Ubuntu under Projects
[13:42] <dorsatum> But, that's not happening, can anyone help?
[13:44] <popey> dorsatum: in qtcreator?
[13:45] <popey> dorsatum: file -> new file or project, you should get a dialog appear, left hand side has "Ubuntu Touch" in it?
[13:46] <popey> dorsatum: http://popey.com/~alan/qtc.png <- like that
[13:46] <ogra_> popey, sync is done (just got the mail)
[13:46] <popey> ogra_: thanks!
[13:46]  * popey phablet-flashes
[13:47] <Mirv> ogra_: FYI as a closing note for today, I've now successfully gotten qt 5.0.2 working on device, so I'd appreciate a test image build using qt5-beta-proper and later on an approval that I can copy 5.0.2 to qt5-proper (not sure who should I ping)
[13:48] <Mirv> updating the sensors snapshot was needed as the last measure, not it just work by adding qt5-beta-proper, upgrade, reboot
[13:48] <ogra_> why do you need a test image build ?
[13:48] <ogra_> isnt installing 5.0.2 on an existing image enough to test ?
[13:48] <Mirv> ogra_: well I only really need someone with big enough authority button to say "yes please copy 5.0.2 to qt5-proper" :D
[13:48] <Mirv> so maybe also just someone else testing the same thing
[13:48] <dorsatum> popey: no, i'm not getting that
[13:49]  * popey points Mirv at bfiller
[13:49] <ogra_> or QA
[13:49] <popey> dorsatum: what are you getting?
[13:49] <Mirv> apt-add-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; reboot -> success
[13:49] <popey> Mirv: see comment above from dorsatum... ?
[13:50] <popey> dorsatum: you using Ubuntu 13.04 or some other version?
[13:50] <dorsatum> 12.04.2
[13:50] <popey> ah
[13:50] <dorsatum> Applications, Libraries, Other Projects ....
[13:50] <Mirv> still should be there
[13:50] <dorsatum> ^^that's all i get
[13:50] <popey> must be a package missing
[13:50] <dorsatum> ok
[13:50] <Mirv> dorsatum: if you've used qt creator before, you may be hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator/+bug/1164504
[13:51] <Mirv> dorsatum: if you have ubuntu-sdk installed, that's all you need, and the rest should be about possible qt creator configuration problems. if you don't have any valuable qt creator configuration, you can try the rm line from the bug report
[13:51] <dorsatum> i'll try that out
[13:52] <dorsatum> i don't have anything important on it anyway
[13:52] <popey> you shouldn't get any data loss, just config I believe?
[13:52] <Mirv> that missing items sounds like ubuntu plugin not getting enabled even though it's installed, but I'm actually unaware how to enabled it via just configuration
[13:52] <Mirv> just the qt creator configuration options
[13:53] <Mirv> popey: anyway thanks, bfiller not online but 5.0.2 seems good from my perspective
[13:53] <Mirv> do we have a specific channel to reach QA folks? if I'd ask for more people to test drive qt5-beta-proper on the device
[13:53] <popey> thanks Mirv
[13:54] <popey> we have #ubuntu-qa
[13:54] <popey> actually i think they moved to -testing, so as not to stamp on Qatar loco ☻
[13:54] <dorsatum> i followed the guide given on the site  http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/#step-get-toolkit
[13:54] <dorsatum> but, if it's an issue of a package that's missing
[13:54] <dorsatum> how does one figure it out?
[13:54] <ogra_> Mirv, really, when the above works on a virgin image for you i would just go for it
[13:55] <Mirv> ogra_: ok. I hesitate a bit since public holiday tomorrow, so maybe first thing Friday morning is the better way :)
[13:56] <popey> dorsatum: there's a package which supplies the plugin. it should be pulled in by the commands on the gomobile page you followed..
[13:56] <popey> dorsatum: if it isn't then that's a bug we need to fix
[13:56] <popey> qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu is the package name
[13:56] <popey> so "dpkg -l qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu" will tell you if it's installed
[13:57] <dorsatum> on it, i'll post what i get as the output
[13:58] <dorsatum> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[13:58] <dorsatum> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
[13:58] <dorsatum> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[13:58] <dorsatum> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[13:58] <dorsatum> +++-[13:58] <dorsatum> ii  qtcreator-plug 2.7.0-0ubuntu4 Ubuntu plugin for Qt Creator IDE
[13:58] <dorsatum> ^^what d'you make of it?
[13:58] <popey> installed
[13:58] <popey> "ii"
[13:58] <popey> so chances are it's the config issue Mirv mentioned
[13:58] <Mirv> dorsatum: "apt-get install ubuntu-sdk" giving no errors makes sure everything needed is instaled
[13:58] <popey> (I had that too)
[13:59] <ogra_> Mirv, well, friday means you do it before a weekend
[13:59] <ogra_> Mirv, i'd rather go with one broken day than with two
[13:59] <ogra_> in case you need to revert
[14:00] <diwic> cyphermox, mpt meeting?
[14:00] <dorsatum> Mirv: it says that ubuntu-sdk is already the newest version
[14:00] <cyphermox> diwic: yes, it's time
[14:00] <cyphermox> mpt: what method do you prefer
[14:01] <Mirv> dorsatum: ok, then see the rm command in the linked bug report
[14:01] <mpt> diwic, cyphermox, sorry, I haven't had time to finish a first draft of anything, I have nothing to show you
[14:01] <cyphermox> ok
[14:01] <diwic> ok
[14:01] <cyphermox> reschedule then?
[14:01] <dorsatum> ok
[14:01] <mpt> Could we postpone to tomorrow?
[14:01] <cyphermox> sure
[14:01] <mpt> thanks
[14:01] <ogra_> Mirv, in the distro we actually try to do such oploads on a thursday so you have the friday to sort out issues or revert stuff before the weekend ... i'd rather do the change today if i were in your situation
[14:01] <diwic> I'm on holiday tomorrow and Friday, but you can go ahead.
[14:01] <mpt> k
[14:02] <cyphermox> mpt: let's try to have something by friday though
[14:02] <cyphermox> diwic: ok
[14:02] <popey> Mirv: upload now, then run away!
[14:02] <ogra_> heh
[14:02] <dorsatum> Mirv: should i reboot after the command? because i ran it, and started qt creator again, and there is no change.
[14:06] <popey> dorsatum: you shouldn't have to, no
[14:06] <popey> dorsatum: was qtcreator closed when you did the rm's?
[14:06] <dorsatum> no, it was active
[14:07] <dorsatum> i'll try it again
[14:07] <popey> ah, should be closed
[14:08] <dorsatum> upon running the command now, i get an error
[14:08] <dorsatum> rm: cannot remove `.config/Trolltech.conf': No such file or directory
[14:08] <dorsatum> rm: cannot remove `.config/Qt*': No such file or directory
[14:08] <dorsatum> rm: cannot remove `.config/Nokia*': No such file or directory
[14:08] <dorsatum> ^^that
[14:09] <popey> ok, so they dont exist, that's fine
[14:09] <popey> now restart qtcreator
[14:10] <dorsatum> it worked!
[14:10] <dorsatum> thank you popey and Mirv!
[14:10] <popey> yay!
[14:12] <dorsatum> popey: if i get an app idea, and i've coded it, is there some place i can post it?
[14:12] <Mirv> dorsatum: np, nice to know there's still nothing that beats the configuration removal trick :)
[14:12] <dorsatum> for peer review?
[14:12] <dorsatum> :)
[14:15] <popey> dorsatum: sure, are you on Google+ ?
[14:16] <popey> we have an "App developer" community there.
[14:16] <dorsatum> yes
[14:16] <popey> let me get the link..
[14:16] <popey> https://plus.google.com/communities/111350780270925540549
[14:16] <popey> people post youtube videos and screenshot there all the time
[14:16] <dorsatum> ok, thanks :)
[14:17] <popey> np
[14:17] <popey> and we're here in this channel most of the time, so feel free to drop by to chat or get advice
[14:17] <popey> if nobody is around, feel free to drop me a mail -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:20] <popey> hmm, since I modified my udev rules as pmcgowan suggested yesterday, adb root is now failing ...
[14:20] <popey> error: insufficient permissions for device
[14:21] <popey> looks like my usb ID is different from those used in the bug report
[14:21] <popey> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 18d1:d002 Google Inc.
[14:23] <popey> \o/ fixed
[14:24] <pmcgowan> popey, did you get it?
[14:25] <pmcgowan> right need the correct ids
[14:25] <pmcgowan> popey, or I think omit the specific device id altogether to get them all
[14:34] <cfhowlett> greetings.  anyone home
[14:36] <Mirv> popey: how did you fix the insufficient permissions thing? after re-running phablet-flash (got 118, flashed 116 earlier today) I started getting that and reboot both device and host not helping
[14:38] <cfhowlett> OK then: I've got a brand spanking new Google Nexus 4 and I'm in China where * wait for it *, Skype is frowned upon.  Can anyone share the skype .apk with me?  It's available via Amazon Android Apps store which is blocked for me ...
[14:38] <Mirv> anyway, getting a bit late now, so I'll do the copy on Friday morning if everything still passes then.
[14:39] <popey> Mirv: i had to fudge with udev rules
[14:40] <ogra_> Mirv, if you think there is a risk, i really wouldnt do it on a friday, that leaves everyone broken for the whole weekend
[14:41] <popey> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1160847/comments/7
[14:41] <Mirv> popey: that fixed it, funny that I didn't need it earlier today
[14:42] <popey> yeah, my USB ID changed
[14:42] <popey> it was definitely not 18d1:d002 yesterday
[14:42] <Mirv> ogra_: well my Friday morning is before everyone's Friday, so there's the same Friday to fix stuff regardless of today or Friday morning copy - but of course there's the delay from copy to the first iage build
[14:43] <ogra_> especially on arm
[14:44] <popey> also, phablet-network-setup is failing on #118
[14:44] <popey> hmm, probably because my laptop dropped off the wifi...
[14:45] <popey> phablet-network-setup should error rather than just saying nothing when wifi isn't available
[14:45]  * popey files a bug
[14:50] <Mirv> ogra_ / phablet: re-tested and copied! running away now as suggested :)
[14:51] <ogra_> haha
[14:51]  * ogra_ thinks that was meant to be s/phablet/popey above though :)
[14:51] <popey> hah
[14:52] <JoseeAntonioR> hello guys, is anyone around?
[14:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: turns out the fastboot udev rule is only for nexus 7, so I need to add the others in there
[14:54] <ogra_> yeah, it will end up beiong a huge rules file, pretty much like the libmtp one
[14:54] <JoseeAntonioR> just popped around to see if anyone here is interested about giving an OpenWeek session, which is on the 21-22 may, so maybe you can get some more contributors to the team
[14:54] <Mirv> popey = phablet
[14:55] <Mirv> e-mailed mailing list still to spread the word
[14:56] <JoseeAntonioR> Mirv: about openweek?
[14:57] <Mirv> JoseeAntonioR: about Qt 5.0.2 for Ubuntu 13.04
[14:57] <Mirv> to the -phone list, doesn't affect app developers much
[14:58] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, sorry then
[14:58] <ogra_> Mirv, to ubuntu-devel too ... there are the important kubuntu devs that need to know about it
[14:59] <Mirv> ogra_: I don't have rights to ubuntu-devel ML
[14:59] <ogra_> Mirv, i think cjwatson can moderate
[14:59] <ogra_> just send it and ping him
[15:00] <Mirv> ogra_: I'm not sure if a PPA happenings are that interesting to kubuntu devs though, and it seems Kubuntu people read my blog post where I mentioned 5.0.2 and syncing up with Debian
[15:00] <Mirv> (I'm on their IRC channel)
[15:01] <ogra_> Mirv, oh i understood you were pushing to saucy (as you should)
[15:02] <Mirv> ogra_: "13.04", for our image builds
[15:02] <Mirv> saucy needs more work
[15:02] <ogra_> 13.04 is dead beef
[15:02] <ogra_> with luck we'll switch completely to saucy mid next week
[15:02] <Mirv> sure it is
[15:03] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[15:03] <Mirv> but there's always something behind the next corner, and the devs really like to have their fixes in
[15:04] <Mirv> with luck saucy will have 5.0.2 as well by that time via PPA, depending on eg. if more gcc 4.8 fun pops up
[15:06] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ogra_ so why does the product id change with the patch to disable mtp?
[15:06] <pmcgowan> popey, when did your product id change on the 7?
[15:09] <Mirv> pmcgowan: for my 4 it apparenty changed when upgrading from today's 116 build to 118. now it's d002, I guess it was 4ee1 or 4ee2 before (as I didn't need to touch udev earlier)
[15:09] <pmcgowan> Mirv, my concern is that all the devices are now the same id
[15:12] <ogra_> pmcgowan, seems sergiusens didnt apply it yet to the images
[15:13] <pmcgowan> ogra_, something changed then
[15:13] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yeah, changing the usb property to adb _only_ does that
[15:14] <ogra_> if they are all just adb endpoints with nothing else i dont think its so bad if they have all the same id though
[15:14] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ogra_ do I want to change the IDs to the mtp ones or add udev rules for these?
[15:14] <pmcgowan> its just0surprising to me that it works that wat
[15:14] <pmcgowan> way
[15:14] <ogra_> sergiusens, i would just keep everything on the same ID ... will make handling it on our side a lot easier
[15:15] <ogra_> unless phablet flash uses any of it indeed
[15:15] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, when mtp is re-enabled what happens, it just works?
[15:15] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: your id changes to the mtp id... let me show you
[15:16] <pmcgowan> and both adb and mtp work at the same time I assume
[15:17] <popey> pmcgowan: seemingly overnight
[15:17] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, so what did get added to the build for 118? is this change in?
[15:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ogra_ this is what happens when on mtp http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_manta.git;a=blob;f=init.manta.usb.rc;h=8540d9cd3306707ecbe0627fe781f1d3c7d93fd0;hb=cad622de3fcb1a917515e7f27cd2c5d58c8fe69e#l27
[15:17] <popey> i have a nexus 4 which i have not flashed to 116 yet
[15:18] <popey> sorry, my nexus 4 is 116, not 118
[15:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, so delete line 16-23 ... and drop mtp from line 24
[15:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan and that's plain adb http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_system_core.git;a=blob;f=rootdir/init.usb.rc;h=15467cc21c2619e3a1cf43f1653a61fd09c7cc34;hb=83cdd2a75d41acbd09dd9d9ac1d6120bdc38c8f7#l25
[15:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: nah, look at the latest plain adb paste ;-)
[15:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: and that is the master branch for manta, just wanted to show pmcgowan how it was before I removed the mtp stuff
[15:20] <ogra_> ah, k
[15:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: if I do it at the device level, I'll have to do it for all devices... the _real_ adb only id is D002 for all devices unless they overwrite it
[15:22] <ogra_> well, how do we make sure they dont ?
[15:22] <ogra_> every device has its init.usb.rc ... doesnt that always ship adb stuff ?
[15:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can't, but at least it seems consistent with the devices we support (in our tree)
[15:23] <ogra_> k
[15:23] <pmcgowan> it seems its not a product id at all
[15:23] <pmcgowan> I dont see any method to it either, not like a bitmap of capabilites or something
[15:23] <ogra_> well, its a gadget driver ... usually the kernel provides the ID by function for these
[15:24] <ogra_> android just hacked that up to do even more
[15:24] <ogra_> (ID by function)
[15:24] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: depending on how you configured usb to work, the id changes
[15:24] <pmcgowan> but not in any logical way unless I am missing it
[15:24] <pmcgowan> and its not a product d
[15:24] <ogra_> err s/id by function/id by subfuction/
[15:24] <pmcgowan> its a usb mode thingy
[15:25] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yes, it's not exactly a product id
[15:25] <pmcgowan> yep
[15:25] <ogra_> yeah, gadget devices are evil that way
[15:25] <pmcgowan> makes sense now - sortof
[15:25] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, so i take it the mtp change is in 118?
[15:25] <ogra_> it breaks the standard
[15:26] <popey> pmcgowan: 18d1:4ee2 is my nexus 4 USB ID on #116. 18d1:d001 during android recovery (while it's updating), 18d1:d002 once flashed to #118..
[15:26] <popey> but yeah, many companies abuse the USB IDs
[15:26] <popey> 3G dongles especially
[15:27] <ogra_> not only companies
[15:27] <ogra_> i.e. the g_serial driver uses its own ... thats a plain kernel thing
[15:27] <sergiusens> so the question is, do we want to have _all_ configurations in there? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5644960/
[15:28] <sergiusens> and I'm Mirv had no issues because he fell into the MTP id ;-)
[15:28] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I dont think you need them since they are already in the other rules
[15:28] <sergiusens> mtp with adb
[15:29] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well, it's in the rules file I'm editing now, only that it was incorrectly named
[15:29] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, not following, which file
[15:29] <sergiusens> gatox: sino te anda... lo podemos hacer de otra forma...
[15:29] <pmcgowan> those rules are in 69-libmtp
[15:29] <sergiusens> oop
[16:07] <bfiller> sergiusens: what does it mean when I get "error: insufficient permissions for device" when trying to run adb root?
[16:07] <bfiller> sergiusens: I've rebooted the phone and still get it, even after killing adb on my desktop
[16:20] <popey> bfiller: the USB id changed with #118 due to the mtp changes
[16:21] <bfiller> popey: any workaround?
[16:21] <popey> bfiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1160847/comments/7 and subsequent comments
[16:21] <ogra_> bfiller, bug 1177850
[16:21] <ogra_> the fix for popeys bug above causes the bug i pasted
[16:22] <ogra_> theoretically starting adb as root should just work
[16:22] <ogra_> i.e. sudo adb ....
[16:23] <jdstrand> mardy: hi! I slightly rescoped the work in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-r-app-online-accounts
[16:23] <jdstrand> mardy: basically, we had the idea for a general purpose runtime contextual prompt library that online accounts could use
[16:24] <jdstrand> mardy: but I thought that was outside of your responsibilities atm, so I thought just making your change to online accounts seemed reasonable. perhaps a general purpose library makes sense if more apis need it
[16:24] <jdstrand> mardy: at which point, we can adjust online accounts to use it later
[16:25] <jdstrand> mardy: I thought that might make it slightly easier for you
[16:25] <bfiller> ogra, popey : what do I add for Galaxy Nexus? don't see that listed in the comments
[16:26] <ogra_> bfiller, sergiusens is just creating the rules file, it should be attached to the bug then
[16:26] <popey> bfiller: whatever the USB id is repored by lsusb
[16:27] <jdstrand> pmcgowan: fyi ^ (mardy's bits)
[16:28] <pmcgowan> jdstrand, ack
[16:28] <pmcgowan> bfiller, easiest workaround is run adb server as root
[16:29] <bfiller> pmcgowan: thanks
[16:31] <popey> hmm, #118 on my nexus 4 doesn't boot. i just get a google logo then a black screen
[16:31] <Guest64576> ubuntu touch installation
[16:32] <popey> hmm, might be dead battery
[16:32] <popey> hi Guest64576
[16:32] <Guest64576> hai
[16:32] <Guest64576> did you tried ubuntu touch
[16:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm creating a bug to add the missing device ids for fastboot too
[16:32] <ogra_> yeah
[16:32] <popey> Guest64576: yes ☻
[16:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: at least mako, maguro/toro, grouper and manta... just missing the mako one
[16:33] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[16:33] <ogra_> :D
[16:33] <ogra_> look, its a zip
[16:33] <popey> ogra_: you first ☻
[16:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: nice... but infinity told me didn't start with the bionic+armel xtoolchain
[16:33] <Guest64576> popey, can i install ubuntu in a tablet which is cortex A8 and 1.3 ghz processor
[16:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: did you copya round?
[16:33] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, i hacked a bit
[16:34] <ogra_> not sure i can do it like that though ....
[16:34] <popey> Guest64576: depends, we have a list of 'supported' devices and a list of community maintained ports
[16:34] <popey> which you can see from the link in the /topic of the channel
[16:35] <Guest64576> is it update.img
[16:35] <Guest64576> i cant see any link.
[16:35] <ogra_> Guest64576, read the install instructions from the channel topic
[16:35] <ogra_> /topic
[16:35] <ogra_> try that command
[16:36] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch
[16:36] <popey> follow the link to "devices"
[16:37] <Guest64576> then
[16:37] <Guest64576> which one i want to install
[16:38] <popey> the one that matches your tablet make/model
[16:38] <Guest64576> i can t understant
[16:39] <Guest64576> what is make\model
[16:39] <ogra_> Guest64576, where do you want to install ubuntu touch on ?
[16:39] <Guest64576> in my tablet
[16:39] <popey> Who makes the tablet?
[16:39] <ogra_> what kind of tablet is that ?
[16:39] <popey> What is the model number?
[16:39] <ogra_> who made it, how is it called
[16:39] <Guest64576> my tablet name is penta t-pad IS709C
[16:41] <ogra_> so look on the Device wikipage if there is an entry for such a tablet
[16:41] <ogra_> if there is not, there is no way to do an installation to it
[16:42] <ogra_> each tablet needs its own installation image
[16:42] <Guest64576> IT IS A LOW COST INDIA MADE TABLET WHICH HAVE A8 CORTEX PROCESSOR
[16:43] <ogra_> if nobody did build one for the penta t-pad IS709C, you will either have to do a port to it yourself or wait for someone to do it
[16:43] <Guest64576> HOW TO FIND OUT TABLETS OWN INSTALLATION IMAGE
[16:43] <ogra_> can you switch off capslock ?
[16:43] <Guest64576> ok sure
[16:44] <ogra_> !devices | Guest64576
[16:44] <Guest64576> pls answer
[16:44] <ogra_> follow the link
[16:44] <Guest64576> ok
[16:44] <ogra_> it lists all supported devices, if your tablet is not listed you can not install
[16:45] <tvoss> slangasek, ping
[16:46] <Guest64576> i can install it by manual method
[16:47] <ogra_> Guest64576, no, if there is no specific image for your tablet it can not run
[16:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: mind rebooting into fastboot with your mako and giving me the device id?
[16:48] <ogra_> sergiusens, one sec
[16:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, [206873.069749] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=18d1, idProduct=4ee0
[16:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: heh, 4ee0 is the same as manta :-P
[16:51] <ogra_> :)
[16:51] <ogra_> saves a line
[16:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: 5 chars ;-) |4ee0
[16:52]  * sergiusens needs to update to saucy to test this
[16:55] <bfiller> popey: do you recall where the media-player crash bug is you entered yesterday? didn't see it in the mediaplayer-app project..
[16:55] <popey> lemme see
[16:56] <popey> bfiller: ah yes, jhodapp|lunch suggested filing in platform-api
[16:56] <popey> bfiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/platform-api/+bug/1175394
[16:57] <bfiller> popey: thanks, might move that. looks like it's an sdk bug on theme loading
[16:57] <popey> its not just the media player, games that have audio in (like dropping-letters) fail to start
[16:57] <popey> feel free ☻
[16:57] <bfiller> popey: interesting
[16:57] <bfiller> might be related
[16:57] <popey> we patched out the audio playback so the game works
[17:09] <slangasek> tvoss: hi
[17:41] <mhall119|away> rickspencer3: no tumbr app tjat I know of
[17:41] <rickspencer3> hi mhall119|away
[17:41] <rickspencer3> ack
[17:42] <rickspencer3> mhall119|away, there is a nice api for tumblr
[17:42] <rickspencer3> I requested an xauth certificate :)
[17:44] <mhall119|away> cool :)
[18:08] <jhodapp> popey, it'll definitely be good to get that bug fixed, thanks for filing that
[18:28] <leowt> hi there, what are the plans to move from an android chroot to a pure ubuntu system?
[18:41] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ogra_ https://i139414796.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/139414796/android-tools_4.2.2%2Bgit20130218-3ubuntu2_4.2.2%2Bgit20130218-3ubuntu3.diff.gz?token=e97a7a3546b10edfdc6cc63d0ecca54c
[18:41] <sergiusens> that's for saucy
[18:41] <brian__> Hi, How easy is it to install ubuntu on android smartphones, such as the Feiteng GT-I9300 (almost identical to Galaxy s3)? Thanks
[18:42] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ogra_ I'm waiting for the raring diff, but works fine one my machine when in fastboot, recovery and system
[18:43] <ogra_> oh, uaccess, is that new ?
[18:43] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I can test a package if you want
[18:43] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: you are on raring, right? I backported the saucy udev rules, waiting for the package to build in the ppa
[18:43] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, yep raring
[18:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I reverted that to get a raring package
[18:44]  * ogra_ found udev-acl more intuitive as a name
[18:44] <sonja> hi every body ...i am tryig to flash nexus 7 ...i get following error...please help......$ adb devices List of devices attached  015d3b66842ff619	device  xubuntu@xubuntu:~$ phablet-flash -b Device detected as tilapia Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[18:44] <ogra_> but well ... up to upstream i guess :)
[18:44] <sergiusens> ogra_: but left it in for saucy, that change was made on -ubuntu2
[18:44] <pmcgowan> !devices | brian__
[18:45] <sergiusens> I added comments in the udev rules so people can make clear notice of what each means too
[18:45] <ogra_> yeah
[18:45] <ogra_> well, done
[18:45] <sonja> thanks a lot ubot5
[18:45] <pmcgowan> ogra_, did we decide talapia works in addition to grouper?
[18:45] <pmcgowan> sonja, it may work but the flash tool is not allowing it
[18:46] <ogra_> pmcgowan, hmm, which one was talapia
[18:46] <pmcgowan> grouper with 3g
[18:46] <pmcgowan> if I recall correct
[18:46] <sonja> pmcgowan thanks
[18:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well I would need the device IDs for it to work for fastboot
[18:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: pmcgowan also need to figure out in which location to put the combinatory of (adb,mtp,ptp,rndis)
[18:47] <ogra_> sonja, pmcgowan, yes, that will work
[18:47] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, what about all the devices on the wiki, any plan for those or just insruction for folks to add themselves
[18:47] <ogra_> pmcgowan, we will need to update the porting wikipage i guess
[18:48] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: in theory, if you use plain adb in your usb setting it would just work
[18:48] <ogra_> unless your device ships its own init.usb.rc
[18:48] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: and we just need to figure out the combinations (where to put)
[18:48] <sonja> ogra -- thanks i will try again
[18:48] <ogra_> sonja, i mean with forcing it ... it will refuse to install by default
[18:49] <sonja> ogra-- thanks
[18:49] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ogra_ most of the adb issues would change once we do the container switch
[18:49] <ogra_> yeah
[18:49] <ogra_> it will get even worse then :)
[18:49] <sergiusens> but we would still need to support the plain androids
[18:50] <sonja> good bye every body thanks for help
[18:50] <sergiusens> but again, it's function based...
[18:50] <ogra_> sonja, if you can not get it to work, use the manual install method as described on the wiki ... with the grouper images
[18:51] <sonja> ogra, thanks i will try it now
[18:51] <sergiusens> gatox: esta semana o la siguiente viene saucy y mir
[18:51] <sergiusens> oops
[18:51] <ogra_> cheers
[18:51] <ogra_> :)
[18:56] <ogra_> sergiusens, android-tools uploaded to saucy
[18:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, the raring rule should be attached on the bug, the SRUs for the other releases might take some time
[18:58] <ogra_> (so people can put it in place themselves)
[18:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack... but I'll also add it to our tools ppa which most people have
[18:58] <ogra_> ah, right
[19:00] <sergiusens> just building somewhere else which has higher priority
[19:03] <sergiusens> ZOLTAN!
[19:05]  * sergiusens is confusing channels a lot today :-/
[19:06] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: https://launchpad.net/~private-ps-quality-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4560805
[19:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: remember to test correctly, install then adb kill-server, udevadm control --reload-rules, the play with adb and fastboot
[19:07] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ay ay
[19:07] <pmcgowan> need to flash latest
[19:08] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, did you see my menton earlier that the changelog stuff is repeating
[19:08] <pmcgowan> didnt realize rsalveti was out
[19:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: no I didn't but I also saw it but couldn't find didrocks
[19:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: it's a daily release thing with how they create those changelogs
[19:09] <pmcgowan> I see
[19:09] <sergiusens> kenvandine hey, you are here now... any idea why we get the same changelog over and over again in daily-build-next?
[19:09] <sergiusens> kenvandine: could it be that some apps are missing the bootstrap thing?
[19:09] <kenvandine> i think that is why
[19:12] <sergiusens> kenvandine: so does this need retroactive fixing or is it a new changelog entry with the bootstrap line?
[19:13] <pmcgowan> ogra_, how much total ram is available on the nexus
[19:13] <kenvandine> new changelog entry
[19:21] <ogra_> root@android:/ # free|grep Mem
[19:21] <ogra_> Mem:        710480       540932       169548            0        45260
[19:21] <ogra_> pmcgowan, ^^^
[19:21] <ogra_> 710M
[19:21] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thanks
[19:22] <a> ?
[19:28] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: did you test?
[19:29] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, sorry got distracted
[19:29] <pmcgowan> my image download taking forever
[19:30] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ack, well, as soon as you do, I'm going to copy the package to ppa:phablet-team/tools
[19:30] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, what does phablet-flash use for the download request?
[19:30] <pmcgowan> it hangs on my network a lot
[19:35] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, just remembered Im still running 32 bit
[19:48] <jaywink> hey everyone.. anyone know how often the android stuff gets updated? how often should one flash?
[19:53] <pmcgowan> jaywink, it gets updated quite often, you can check the changelog to see if its anything you need
[19:56] <jaywink> ok tnx
[20:02] <jaywink> anyone made a script to set up everything after a flash? :) like cleaning of demo stuff, setting timezone, etc
[20:06] <pmcgowan> jaywink, not really no, there is phablet-network-setup
[20:09] <jaywink> pmcgowan, ok thanks, that looks like it would fit nicely in a script, then set stuff including core apps
[20:10] <pmcgowan> indeed
[20:11] <pmcgowan> jaywink, toward the end of the month we will have it so the flash does not stomp data
[20:11] <pmcgowan> and we will take the sample stuff out soon
[20:12] <jaywink> great improvement since I last flashed some weeks ago :) speed improvement is amazing
[20:14] <pmcgowan> good to hear, what system do you have?
[20:15] <jaywink> Samsung Galaxy Nexus
[20:26] <rickspencer3> hey all, I can't get the osk to show up in my network indicator :/
[20:26] <rickspencer3> I've tried rebooting 3 times
[20:31]  * rickspencer3 updates to 118
[20:31] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, new fastboot and adb working with nexus 4
[20:39] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: ok, going to copy it into phablet tools so people can update to it
[20:39] <Dragostini> Hi there, is anyone actively around to answer a few questions?
[20:40] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, very good
[20:42] <Dragostini> Anyone? A few simple questions? >.<
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> Dragostini, If you don't ask them you wont get answers.
[20:43] <Dragostini> Fair enough.
[20:43] <Dragostini> First off, I see a lot of info on using the Ubuntu Touch Distro on Nexus phones; is it possible to run it on Galaxy s3?
[20:44] <pmcgowan> !devices | Dragostini
[20:44] <pmcgowan> I think the s3 is there
[20:45] <Dragostini> It's listed as a work in progress being done over at XDA; I'm guessing it's not a stable release yet?
[20:45] <pmcgowan> ubuntu touch is very much work in progress, not quite alpha state yet
[20:46] <pmcgowan> yeah looks like s3 support not yet baked
[20:47] <Dragostini> Ahh gotcha. That pretty much defeats my next few questions and leads to my final lol; Is there any Linux Distro's currenty stable to run on the S3 D2att In touch format, or at least not requiring docking / mouse /keyboard That anyone knows of? It's more of a curiosity than it is a longing to flash one.
[20:49] <pmcgowan> Dragostini, when that S3 port is done I would say the answer is yes
[20:49] <pmcgowan> not aware of anything else
[20:49] <Dragostini> I mean say; Gentoo or Mandriva etc
[20:50] <pmcgowan> not as far as I know
[20:50] <Dragostini> Alrighty, Thanks for the answers. Much appreciated. Take care
[20:50]  * Dragostini bows respectfully
[21:28] <popey> hmm, my nexus 4 flat out won't boot anymore
[21:28] <popey> been on charge for ~4 hours
[21:28]  * stgraber notes never to let popey anywhere near his phones
[21:29] <popey> hah
[21:29] <popey> wise
[21:29] <popey> aha, now it boots but not to the shell
[21:30]  * popey reflashes
[21:45] <RobbyF> http://itsfoss.com/samsung-u1000-ubuntu-phone-samsung/
[21:45] <RobbyF> just saw this rumour article.
[21:50] <pmcgowan> that would be nice, but he seems to be fishing
[21:51] <RobbyF> I guess there is a ubuntu tablet for pre-order too
[21:51] <RobbyF> http://itsfoss.com/first-ubuntu-tablet-available/
[21:51] <RobbyF> I've never seen this site before btw.
[21:53] <RobbyF> http://www.ubuntutablet.com.au/
[22:43] <popey> RobbyF: I wouldn't give them my credit card details ☻
[22:46] <RobbyF> likewise.


[05:11] <Naked_Emperor> good day
[21:18] <aspca> Hey guys, trying to put lubuntu on an old Asus 701 I found in my garage. Built a bootable ISO with universal usb installer, inserted usb into 701, booted, hit F2, set priority to removable media, and saved and exited, but it boots into the stock eeeBuntu. Any suggestions?
[21:19] <lynorian> aspca, have you ever booted off a usb on it before?
[21:19] <lynorian> this is a netbook with no cd drive?
[21:23] <aspca> yep
[21:24] <aspca> have not on this machine
[21:24] <lynorian> this is an old netbook right
[21:24] <lynorian> aspca which version of lubuntu
[21:24] <aspca> yep
[21:25] <aspca> asus 701
[21:25] <lynorian> !md5sum
[21:25] <lynorian> check that the image did not do something stupid during download
[21:26] <lynorian> something stupid may have happend to the download
[21:30] <aspca> Do you have the MD5 checksum for lubuntu-16.10-desktop-i386
[21:31] <aspca> Nvm, it matches
[21:31] <aspca> Assuming it's meant to be the last string on this page: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.10/release/MD5SUMS
[21:32] <aspca> USB mounts
[21:32] <aspca> You know what
[21:32] <aspca> I hit the BIOS
[21:32] <aspca> Not the boot options
[21:32] <lynorian> ah maybe reboot and try that
[21:32] <aspca> And then was able to select the correct one
[21:33] <aspca> Got the lubuntu welcome screen; hitting Install Lubuntu
[21:33] <lynorian> I do not think that has much space on it though
[21:33] <aspca> What, the 701?
[21:33] <aspca> It's got 4GB ssd
[21:33] <lynorian> yes
[21:33] <lynorian> that is not much now
[21:33] <aspca> Yeah, it's just gonna be a word processor and secure email system
[21:34] <lynorian> aspca, you may need to be careful removing old kernels
[21:34] <lynorian> yeah that takes up almost no space
[21:34] <aspca> Well, the die is cast now
[21:34] <aspca> Haha
[21:34] <aspca> USB is flashing but menu is not selectable or anything]
[21:35] <lynorian> I was going to suggest you could use the sdcard maybe and move /home there if you need more storage
[21:35] <aspca> Just changed to gray screen with terminal line
[21:35] <lynorian> as I can get those for around 10 dollars now
[21:35] <aspca> Rebooting with Lubuntu welcome screen now
[21:35] <lynorian> aspca, how much ram do you have ?
[21:36] <aspca> Yeah, I may wind up just getting a fat SD card eventually
[21:36] <aspca> But this is more an experiment
[21:36] <lynorian> I might suggest using alternate as it says it only goes up to 512 MB ram
[21:36] <aspca> I already have an editing desktop, a writing laptop, and a MacBook pro with a cracked screen, so this one is more an aberration
[21:36] <aspca> A novelty
[21:36] <aspca> Is there a better version of Linux that you suggest installing?
[21:37] <lynorian> aspca, no the alternate installer for lower ram
[21:37] <aspca> Which is that? I'm unfamiliar
[21:37] <aspca> The unsupported 386 one (may be mistaken on that number)
[21:37] <aspca> Install seems to be going fine
[21:37] <lynorian> oh ok
[21:38] <aspca> But if there's an even lighter-weight version of Linux you recommend I'm all ears
[21:38] <aspca> Tried to do puppy Linux but I got overwhelmed by the directories of versions (DOZENS!) and my friend just linked me a clean Lubuntu ISO torrent link w checksum
[21:38] <aspca> So I opted for the stress-free version
[21:40] <aspca> Well, one hinky thing is that it seems to think my display is larger than it is
[21:40] <aspca> So it's broadcasting off the screen
[21:40] <aspca> I have about 75% horizontal real estate
[21:41] <lynorian> aspca, you mean it does not show the panel on the install?
[21:41] <aspca> No the panel is there
[21:41] <aspca> But about 25% of it is off the screen
[21:41] <aspca> Am able to navigate using the keyboard/guesses, though
[21:41] <lynorian> aspca, install is done?
[21:41] <lynorian> aspca, try pressing alt f2 and run lxrandr
[21:42] <aspca> I right-clicked the menu bar and "Move" so I can drag it around
[21:42] <aspca> Problem not resolved, but worked around
[21:43] <lynorian> that will launch a window to change screen resolution
[21:44] <aspca> Oh, cool
[21:45] <aspca> It's installing now, so I don't wanna interrupt its processes, but I'll do that at the next step
[21:46] <aspca> Alt F2 did not work
[21:46] <aspca> It's ok tho
[21:47] <aspca> Do I want to encrypt the new Lubuntu installation for security?
[21:47] <lynorian> oh during the install
[21:47] <aspca> (And also erase disk and install Lubuntu?)
[21:47] <lynorian> yeah if you have all the old data off it
[21:48] <aspca> I can't retrieve much old data off it because I don't have any passwords
[21:48] <aspca> All I could see on there was on the desktop
[21:48] <aspca> But I may as well take one more check
[21:50] <aspca> While we're at it, though, there's no lighter-weight version of Linux you'd recommend instead of lubuntu that's like, instant-on, no frills, but still has an easy to use GUI?
[21:50] <aspca> And can run Write! (www.wri.tt)
[21:52] <lynorian> aspca, not really
[21:52] <aspca> OK, cool
[21:52] <aspca> I thought puppy Linux might be some crazy, instant-boot, no addon, lightning fast thing I was passing up or something
[21:53] <aspca> Given that I have 4GBSSD/512Ram/Celeron to work with I wanted to optimize as much as possible
[21:53] <aspca> Lmao
[22:02] <aspca> Well, thanks for the help... Ta ta!
[22:11] <thoughtacademy> Me again
[22:11] <thoughtacademy> So I'm at the install screen of Lubuntu, selecting installation type, but the actual "Install Now" button is greyed out
[22:12] <wxl> thoughtacademy: are you on battery power and/or without internet?
[22:16] <thoughtacademy> ...Yep. :)
[22:16] <thoughtacademy> Plugged in, installing now. :D
[22:55] <flyback> how do you setup and select raid 1 during install
[22:56] <flyback> it almost looked like it was trying to, since it partitioned both drives identical but I couldn't tell
[22:56] <lynorian> flyback that is something I am not sure of are you wanting to use mdraid
[22:57] <flyback> I was just going to use the intel bios/soft/fake/blah-blah raid but when I tried to play with that in linux I ran into weird issues
[22:57] <flyback> in systemrescuecd
[22:58] <flyback> I guess I could try again and see how it goes
[23:06] <lynorian> flyback I have no expierence with intel bios raid
[23:07] <lynorian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raid reccomends md raid but if you for some reason wanted zfs on lubuntu I would use that
[23:08] <lynorian> ouch that is really old
[23:10] <flyback> hmm
[23:10] <flyback> I bet if I boot ubuntu server and setup the raid in there then reboot back
[23:11] <flyback> since the installer in lubuntu seems to be missing any sort of raid option
[23:13] <flyback> zfs is *NOT* recommended with ecc memmory
[23:13] <flyback> without
[23:14] <flyback> or can you setup the raid after install?
[23:14] <lynorian> I think you can use the ubuntu server install then install lubuntu-desktop
[23:14] <lynorian> or use the lubuntu alternate installer
[23:14] <flyback> yeah I think this is the easier
[23:15] <flyback> I been playing with linux since 97 or so but the mind isn't what it used to be
[23:15] <flyback> im in shock I made it to 43 coming in march
[23:15] <flyback> didn't think I would make 40
[23:17] <lynorian> I think 16.10 desktop iso has issues with lvm for some reason
[23:19] <flyback> don't think I am going to mess with lvm
[23:20] <flyback> I thought about going with 16.10 cause of the eventual move to a new wm
[23:20] <flyback> called qt-something
[23:20] <flyback> but then I realized I can just apt-get upgrade it when it's finally ready
[23:21] <lynorian> yes
[23:21] <flyback> i SPENT THE LAST 2 weeks rebuilding two vostro 200's with later model core2duo's, more ram and more disk and video cards that offload youtube
[23:21] <flyback> and doing burn in test
[23:21] <flyback> wish I could have used core2quads but not these 2 boards
[23:22] <lynorian> flyback I get good enough youtube on intel gma 4500 for 1080p
[23:22] <flyback> yeah I have a radeon 4650 in there and I put a 2xxx series in my pvr pc
[23:22] <flyback> I didn't realize I wasn't useing accel
[23:22] <lynorian> but only just
[23:23] <flyback> the new 2 core2dup's also have sse4
[23:23] <flyback> which will help
[23:23] <flyback> I stole the e7500 from a optiplex 760 that I have not finished repairing the psu yet, besides the fact that box can take a quad anyways
[23:23] <flyback> has vt and sse4
[23:24] <flyback> for the pvr I put in a e7400 no vt but not neededd
[23:24] <flyback> sse4 and better than the old e4600
[23:24] <flyback> I got another e7500 to use in one of the optiplex 755's once I scrap this optiplex 360 which I am doing soon cause
[23:25] <flyback> a) vista support ends in 2 months
[23:25] <flyback> b) 4gb max
[23:25] <flyback> c) capacitors on this model known to go bad and 4gb limit is not worth trying to solder replace 14 caps
[23:25] <flyback> ok buring this server iso to do the raid setup
[23:26] <flyback> before someone chimes in about windows
[23:26] <flyback> a) hushmail web login didn't work with linux
[23:26] <flyback> b) sdr#
[23:30] <Mayan> Xenial Xerus vs Yakkety Yak - which are the differences?
[23:31] <Mayan> (I'm brasilliam and not speak english...)
[23:33] <Mayan> someone alive?!
[23:36] <Mayan> there is something wrong here...
[23:36] <flyback> I only know english :/
[23:37] <krytarik> !lts | Mayan
[23:43] <thewolfstar> Can anyone tell me their experience with Lubuntu 16.10?
[23:45] <Mayan> 16.04 LTS vs 16.10, which are the diferences?
[23:45] <Mayan> Lubuntu?
[23:45] <flyback> LTS is more stable long term support
[23:45] <flyback> might not have the latest stuff
[23:46] <flyback> but will have security patches, bug fixes for 5 yrs
[23:47] <xangua> Technically 3 years with related lxde packages, but kernel and bug fixes in general 5 years
[23:48] <HoNgOuRu> Hi, I need to configure the sound menu icon at the taskbar so I can run pavucontrol when clicking in "sound settings..."
[23:48] <HoNgOuRu> is there an xml or something ?
[23:49] <Mayan> time out :(
[23:49] <xangua> HoNgOuRu: you mean the sound indicator?
[23:49] <HoNgOuRu> xangua, yes, the little speaker icon...
[23:50] <HoNgOuRu> when clicked it displays a menu, where the option "sound settings..." appear
[23:50] <HoNgOuRu> because it is not opening anything when I click over "Sound Setings..."
[23:51] <xangua> HoNgOuRu: yeah that always confuses me, in unity it shows the gnome sound menu but in Xfce pavucontrol(?)
[23:51] <HoNgOuRu> its lxde I believe...
[23:51] <HoNgOuRu> 16.10
[23:51] <HoNgOuRu> I want to run pavucontrol
[23:52] <HoNgOuRu> or anything that let me choose between headphones or speakers... I think I will have to make a script....
[23:52] <HoNgOuRu> because I found no solution to this
[23:52] <xangua> I know, I'm saying you need some specific package... But the regular systray sound icon does what you want HoNgOuRu
[23:53] <HoNgOuRu> xangua, It doesn't do anything... how can I debug it ?
[23:53] <HoNgOuRu> maybe I'm missing a package
[23:54] <xangua> As I say, the systray icon, not indicator, does what you want
[23:54] <HoNgOuRu> let me see
[23:55] <HoNgOuRu> I added the volume control
[23:55] <HoNgOuRu> it has no settings option
[23:55] <xangua> Right click
[23:55] <HoNgOuRu> I did
[23:56] <HoNgOuRu> xangua, you are right
[23:57] <HoNgOuRu> it says "volume control configuration..."
[23:57] <HoNgOuRu> and then it opens pavucontrol
[23:57] <xangua> It should show alsa control or, if you installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol, pavucontrol
[23:57] <HoNgOuRu> thanks


[08:30] <croraf> Regarding my discussion the other day about https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html
[08:30] <croraf> Can we make that instead of focal:linux-hwe-5.11 and focal:linux-hwe-5.13 it stands hwe and hwe-edge, because these are the proper names
[08:31] <croraf> If I'm right.
[13:46] <klebers> croraf, that map shows the versions of the source packages. For the hwe kernels, what tell which kernel is the hwe and which is the hwe-edge are the meta packages which are not represented there
[21:51] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, are there any plans to bump kpatch to a more recent version for jammy?
[22:31] <chiluk> Hey folks.  Anyone know why we don't have nvidia-driver-stable and nvidia-driver-testing meta packages in Ubuntu?
[22:31] <chiluk> it seems like a no brainer...
[22:32] <chiluk> it's so easy to get left behind with nvidia-drivers now-adays.
[22:55] <sarnold> chiluk: I've always assumed that was because nvidia abandons old drivers aggressively enough that a lot of folks are on abandoned series
[22:56] <sarnold> it's *really* annoying for the folks who are stuck on eg nvidia-340, because that has a bug that prevents it from installing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977
[23:09] <chiluk> sarnold that kind of seems like an excuse...
[23:09] <chiluk> sarnold are you aware of any wiki's describing the existing "right" way for end users to do nvidia drivers in Ubuntu?
[23:10] <chiluk> if it's simply install nvidia-drivers-### that seems error prone.
[23:10] <chiluk> we really should instead prefer install nvidia-drivers-stable meta package which depends on nvidia-drivers-###...
[23:10] <chiluk> that way people don't get "stuck" as you so astutely put it.
[23:11] <sarnold> chiluk: I think "ubuntu-drivers install" is the recommended tool
[23:11] <sarnold> the trouble is that nvidia no longer cares about device XYZ after N months
[23:11] <chiluk> oh interesting.. I was unfamiliar with that.
[23:11] <sarnold> so we've got to have the old drivers available
[23:11] <chiluk> it's not months though.
[23:11] <chiluk> it's like YEARS..
[23:11] <sarnold> and we can't just apt upgrade people along the way, because the next major version of the driver might drop their device entirely
[23:12] <chiluk> that's a really good point...
[23:12] <chiluk> that's a good reason to not have the meta package.
[23:12] <sarnold> I'm not sure when exactly they drop support, it probably has more to do with the hardware specifics than any hard rule
[23:12] <sarnold> I just know that there's a lot of folks who have cards that aren't supported by the latest, and they'd like to keep using those cards on ubuntu
[23:13] <chiluk> sarnold: yeah it's usually they are trying to drop code paths that are optimized differently for the newer architectures.


[00:16] <user|67> hi, i tried installing kde neon on imac 2012 in hopes to revive it and I ran into a problem.
[00:16] <user|67> First, kde neon suddenly stops working, the system simply stands up tightly without the possibility of mouse movement.
[00:16] <user|67> Secondly, I try to boot again from the flash drive, but the mac does not go into the mode of selecting the boot device when the alt button is pressed, i have a magic keyboard i think it just doesn't turn on along with running imac
[00:16] <user|67> what can I try to do with the system freeze and how do I now boot from the flash drive?
[09:02] <zoli62> Hi!
 "what can I try to do with the..." <- https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255
[09:05] <zoli62> I have a question about upgrade from 20.04.3 LTS point release to the latest 20.04.4 in the  command line: How can I upgrade to the latest Kubuntu LTS release released in February from the previous point release?
[09:08] <valorie> zoli62: for a full-upgrade, then sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:09] <valorie> if you are a bit behind you might have to run that more than once
[09:11] <zoli62> Is the apt dist-upgrade command not good for this?
[09:14] <RikMills> zoli62: no
[09:16] <RikMills> oh, 20.04.3 -> 20.04.4?
[09:16] <RikMills> if so, then yes
[09:18] <zoli62> RikMills Yes, that was my question, but apt dist-upgrade does not provide new upgradeable packages
[09:20] <RikMills> zoli62: if it says you are up to date, then you are on effectively on 22.04.4 already. there are not a load of new packages for it, just incremental updates since the last point release
[09:21] <zoli62> RikMills The same is true with the Muon package manager
[09:21] <RikMills> in that case you are good
[09:22] <RikMills> 22.04.4 is just a new ISO that incorporates all updates since 22.04.3. an installed system will get there by just keeping it up to date as normal
[09:22] <zoli62> RikMills When is the opportunity to upgrade to the latest LTS point release released on February 24?
[09:23] <RikMills> zoli62: there in't. just apply updates normally and you get there
[09:24] <zoli62> I know Ubuntu is always a little slippery in this regard.
[09:28] <zoli62> RikMills As if I remember a long time ago that it would be possible to upgrade to the previous point release after the next point release, right?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[21:04] <winisreallybored> this channel is just a constant feed of ppl joining and leaving
[21:09] <Dragnslcr> I think weekends are often fairly quiet
[21:28] <mparillo> I turn off notifications for joins and parts.
 Hi, I'm going to buy a notebook and I'm thinking about doing a dualboot
 The notebook is an Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 14"
 Intel® Core™ i5-1135G7
 8 GB DDR4 3200MHz
 512 GB SSD
 It also has tactil panel
 Is a good idea?
[22:01] <tomreyn> eliharriet: it's above the minimum requirements, so should work.
[22:02] <tomreyn> as always, there can be some parts which do not work out of the box, or for which no driver is available at all
 Oh, thanks
 One last question, do you now if I'll be able to use the tactil panel on linux?
 Or it could be a problem/don't work?
 I was thinking about use it to take notes
 I would not expect any issues with the controlling of touchscreen. However common Linux issues with convertibles are with automatic screen rotating and keyboard disabling (when the screen is flipped). That may require some thinkering :) (re @eliharriet: Or it could be a problem/don't work?)
 My geek reflex would be to recommend you some of real Thinkpads - R or T or X series, which are traditionally having great Linux support (even having official Linux Certification from Lenovo) and very good build quality. But they are not convertibles of course (if that is an requirement)
 Ahh ok thank you!


[01:37] <lindol> hu.. :)
[01:38] <lindol> I finish to translate english to korean language for GetUbuntuGnome page in our wiki
[01:38] <lindol> I will write email for this soon
[05:35] <darkxst> Noskcaj, merged unit193 changes page will move to http://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/xfce412.html next cron job
[06:12] <Noskcaj> :)
[06:12] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Apologies for the lack of work on evolution. yr11 work + finally have a job means i don't have much time for PPA stuff
[06:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, np, where are you working?
[06:14] <Noskcaj> Some guy my dad knows has heaps of random jobs that he gets. tomorrow i spend all day spray painting trucks
[06:16] <darkxst> oh right, have fun, spray painting is marginally more fun that real painting (both suck really)
[06:16] <darkxst> I'm painting tomorrow as well, but bricks with a roller (
[06:17] <darkxst> gtg be back in an hour or so
[07:07] <LinDol_phone> hi all :)
[07:13] <darkxst> hi LinDol_phone
[07:13] <darkxst> you worked out your translating issue?
[07:14] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, 'please read' and 'please do read' are essentially the same thing, the do is kind of implied in the first
[07:14] <darkxst> "please don't read" is saying here is some contec
[07:15] <darkxst> content, don't read it
[07:15] <darkxst> that doesnt probably make alot of sense!
[07:16] <LinDol_phone> thank you :) i finish to translate before four hours ;)
[07:16] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, I tried to answer when I saw but you had left
[07:17] <LinDol_phone> ah, :) that is ok, I am sighting in Seoul
[07:17] <LinDol_phone> so
[07:18] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, sitting?
[07:18] <LinDol_phone> if you are ok, can i try to translate to korean missing issue?
[07:20] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, probably better to just past the confusing strings
[07:24] <LinDol_phone> ;) thanks
[07:27] <LinDol_phone> darkxst, I always thank you for your help and teaching. ;)
[07:28] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, no problem, english is easy for me, and you are helping the korean users ;)
[07:29] <LinDol_phone> thank you ;)
[07:31] <darkxst> LinDol_phone,  next up installer slideshow?
[07:31] <LinDol_phone> yeah :)
[07:31] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, great
[07:31] <LinDol_phone> if you are ok. i try to the next
[07:31] <LinDol_phone> ;)
[07:32] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, " i try to do that next"? i assume that is what you meant
[07:37] <LinDol_phone> i will try to translate korean language for slideshow in installer
[07:38] <LinDol_phone> sorry :)
[07:44] <darkxst> LinDol_phone, ok, good on you for your work ;)
[07:46] <darkxst> hey ricotz any idea why webkitgtk switched to ld.gold
[07:46] <darkxst> its kills the shiny new ppa builders on i386
[07:51] <darkxst> ricotz, Im going to rev
[07:51] <darkxst> revert that
[07:56] <ricotz> darkxst, no idea if the changelog doesnt explain it
[07:56] <ricotz> i guess webkit2gtk (2.6.2+dfsg1-4) should be synced
[08:18] <darkxst> ricotz, 2.7 switched to ld.gold
[08:22] <ricotz> this might be one motivation https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKitGTK/SpeedUpBuild
[08:25] <ricotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/+bug/1432118
[11:11] <LinDol_phone> darkxst, ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntugnome is translating already by Yongmin Hong
[11:12] <LinDol_phone> ;)
[12:24] <ctwx> On Debian's GNOME (3.4) I can create new empty files via right click, now in Ubuntu's GNOME (3.12) I can't. Is there a way to achieve this?
[12:36] <ricotz> ctwx, create some appropriate files in your template folder in HOME
[12:38] <ctwx> lol... now I get the idea of the templates folder! :D Thanks ricotz
[21:51] <georgeowell> heya, did anyone else have that Deja Dup bug a while back?
[21:51] <georgeowell> It got fixed over a week ago.
[21:51] <georgeowell> But before then it wouldn't open.
[21:53] <georgeowell> Maybe it was just me. Never filed a proper bug report due to lack of time.
[21:58] <darkxst> georgeowell, it just needed a rebuild
[21:58] <darkxst> don't know why it took so long for the fix to land
[21:58] <georgeowell> Did it get reported as bug recently?
[21:58] <georgeowell> or was it long standing?
[21:59] <darkxst> bug 1379446
[21:59] <darkxst> long standing, I fixed in October
[21:59] <georgeowell> Thanks so much for the fix.
[22:00] <georgeowell> I had pretty much accepted it being broke for this version.
[22:02] <darkxst> it sat in the sponsorship queue for months
[22:03] <georgeowell> Just out of interest, what were the barriers to getting it fixed more promptly?
[22:04] <georgeowell> Everything else has been super solid for me on 14.10
[22:12] <darkxst> georgeowell, I don't know why that took so long, normally they don't take more than a few weeks
[22:18] <georgeowell> i guess it just slipped through the net
[22:33] <georgeowell> didn't too many other bugs
[22:33] <georgeowell> apart from the software centre dark theme problem
[22:33] <georgeowell> which sucks
[22:36] <georgeowell> It should have been fixed upstream years ago
[22:37] <georgeowell> cough cough canonical
[22:44] <darkxst> software center is a mess of custom widgets I believe
[22:46] <georgeowell> It kinda of sucks but it is functional, especially for new users.
[22:47] <darkxst> the dark theme is really support even in GNOME apps (except the ones that use it by default)
[22:47] <darkxst> s/is/isn't/
[22:47] <georgeowell> Yeh true, but the software centre is rendered completely unusable.
[22:48] <georgeowell> Its very rare that happens with any other apps with dark theme
[22:49] <georgeowell> Another big problem with the software centre is the search
[22:49] <georgeowell> There's not tags or anything
[22:50] <georgeowell> So if you don't know exactly what the program is called, its tough to find it.
[22:50] <georgeowell> I guess we'll see what Unity 8 brings