[06:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: I cleaned the living junk out of hydrogen, had to put it in my second PPA because, unbeknownst to me, the hydrogen developers decided to remove the documentation from the main archive, placing it in git somewhere. So, had to repack the archive. This is the final result, lintian-clean, but it still has the nag.
[08:18] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: if I have time this weekend, I'll try to work out why
[08:22] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: actually, I just installed your package in a clean VM, and there is no nag
[09:31] <RikMills> maybe you have an old config in ~/.hydrogen/ with the nag set
[16:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Very possible. If you think it's good, go ahead and yeet it into the archive you MOTU you. :)
[16:48] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: is it good enough for you? does it work as intended? I would have to give the packaging a brief once over, as I have not looked at it.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, it works as intended, so I say go for it. RikMills
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, I removed my ~/.hydrogen, and it worked without the nag.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Gets sound and everything.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's good.
[16:52] <RikMills> right, that config keeping is a bit wrong, but no openstudio user will hit that, as the version with the nag will never have been in the archive
[16:53] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: ok, I will give a quick review in next day or 2, then upload if seems good
[16:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Ack.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: How is -controls looking?


[09:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you aware the shell tests fail on silo?
[09:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, just saw that, trying to repro locally
[09:38] <tsdgeos> i can
[09:38] <tsdgeos> it's not 100% but reliable enough
[09:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, oh cool, if you have an idea to fix, even better :)
[09:39] <Saviq> weird it only showed up on i386
[09:39] <tsdgeos> oh haven't really looked at it
[09:39] <Saviq> ah no
[09:39] <Saviq> amd64 too
[09:39] <Saviq> just it thinks it always failed, since it's vivid
[09:44] <Saviq> /methinks launcher
[09:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, NB: Shell::test_showInputMethod and Shell::test_inputEventsOnEdgesEndUpInAppSurface are failing in silo 64
[09:50] <mzanetti> Saviq, ack, fixing
[09:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, /me thinks launcher-sizing and input method tweaks?
[09:51] <mzanetti> possibly, will find out and fix them... sorry for that...
[09:53] <Saviq> huh, someone broke qtcreator?
[09:53] <mzanetti> it wasn't me
[09:54] <mzanetti> :D
[09:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, but for real, do you have /usr/bin/qtcreator?
[09:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i do
[09:56] <mzanetti> didn't upgrade so far
[09:56] <Saviq> policy?
[09:56] <mzanetti> lemme try
[09:56] <Saviq> don't ;)
[09:57]  * Saviq reinstalls qtc
[09:57] <tsdgeos> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15241802/
[09:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, same ¿?
[09:57] <tsdgeos> you don't have it? or it doesn't start?
[09:57] <Saviq> ueah it's back
[09:58] <Saviq> something went really wrong with dpkg/apt
[09:59] <tsdgeos> rpi 3 has a 64 bit arm cpu
[09:59] <tsdgeos> interesting
[10:01] <Saviq> ooh
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, FWIW this bit is unstable for me, too http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15241882/
[10:13] <Saviq> the greeter doesn't hide
[10:15] <mzanetti> Saviq, yeah, there should be another branch that fixes that... let me check
[10:16] <mzanetti> Saviq, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/stabilize-swipeAwayGreeter/+merge/286190
[10:16] <Saviq> ack
[10:17] <Saviq> right, that's higher up the log
[10:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, ah, it's actually https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ci-train-bot/unity8/unity8-ubuntu-xenial-landing-064/revision/2215
[10:21] <Saviq> so https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fixTinyWindows/+merge/287173
[10:22] <Saviq> and the other one is likely https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/catch-osk/+merge/286076
[10:24] <Saviq> hmm or not
[10:26] <Saviq> hrm can't repro the other failure any mroe
[10:42]  * mzanetti still trying to find it
[10:44] <Saviq> ok that last one is completely reliable here, 10 of them running at the same time pass
[10:45] <Saviq> let's see out of xvfb
[10:46] <Saviq> same
[11:16] <cimi> Saviq, shall I run those tests here too?
[11:16] <Saviq> cimi, don't think so, mzanetti ↑?
[11:17] <mzanetti> Saviq, so what's your last state? one of the failurs is from fixtinyWindows, the other has vanished?
[11:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah
[11:19] <mzanetti> I've checked my branches and couldn't find any failures, except the flaky swipeAwayGreeter
[11:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, maybe the FAIL explains something: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15242316/ ?
[11:28] <Saviq> obviously it's a race
[11:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, probably need to wait for SurfaceManager.inputMethodSurface
[11:29] <mzanetti> hmm.. I see
[11:30] <mzanetti> Saviq, the first one would probably still be the swipeAwayGreeter thing, no?
[11:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, no
[12:07] <mzanetti> ltinkl, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15242316/
[12:07] <ltinkl> mzanetti, kk, will have a look
[12:17] <cimi> hi pstolowski, will you have time to work on social cards this week? paty asked me how's progressing
[12:19] <pstolowski> cimi, hey, yes i will
[12:42] <mzanetti> Saviq, merged everything like the silo up to spread-visual-updates and don't have the failures so far
[12:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, neither?
[12:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, just take silo 64 branch, it fails there
[12:43] <mzanetti> Saviq, no... but now I arrived at fixTinyWindows and there's an issue
[12:43] <mzanetti> Saviq, the margins stuff is broken. probably a bad merge somewhere
[12:44] <Saviq> mzanetti, well, I did say I tracked the issue down to fixTinyWindows
[12:44] <mzanetti> both of them?
[12:44] <Saviq> and the other failure looks rather obvious
[12:45] <Saviq> need to wait for SurfaceManager to pop up !undefined
[12:50] <mzanetti> hmpf... still don't get the test failure
[13:23] <ltinkl> Saviq, fixed tine window branch, tests passing now (locally), let's wait for CI
[13:24] <Saviq> ltinkl, ack
[13:25] <mzanetti> Saviq, is there a link to the bzr branch for the silo? I keep on forgetting it and have a hard time finding it
[13:25] <mzanetti> I mean, is it linked from the dashboard somewhere?
[13:25] <Saviq> d'oh, shoulda paid attention to Unity8 CI Bot! https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/test-0-autopkgtest/label=amd64,release=xenial/217/
[13:25] <Saviq> mzanetti, ~ci-train-bot
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, or just go http://code.launchpad.net/unity8
[13:26] <Saviq> probably easier
[13:26] <mzanetti> ahhh
[13:26] <mzanetti> cool, ta
[13:27] <mzanetti> Saviq, unity8 ci bot ftw btw. works great!
[13:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, and soon there won't be that much magic about it https://git.launchpad.net/~saviq/+git/jenkaas-jobs
[13:28] <Saviq> or well, maybe there will be more, depends on how you define it ;)
[13:31] <mzanetti> haha
[14:39] <cimi> tsdgeos, you cen re-review https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/use-PageHeader/+merge/284942 when you have time, tim replied to your comment (and I confirm is fixed in another branch)
[14:40] <tsdgeos> k
[14:40] <tsdgeos> cimi: which branch?
[14:40] <cimi> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/selected-to-normal-backgroundText/+merge/287452
[14:41] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you comment that somewhere in the MR?
[14:41] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[14:41] <cimi> tsdgeos, done :)
[15:09] <alex_abreu> make -j4
[19:48] <mterry> ltinkl, I proposed my geonames port: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/oobe-timezone/+merge/287520
[19:57] <ltinkl> mterry, great, will have a look at it shortly
[21:53] <mterry> ltinkl, you asked why remove the filter model -- the model itself is now a filter model on top of the backing model of libgeonames
[21:55] <mterry> nm, I don't trust my IRC, moving to the MP  :)


[01:26] <LjL> ehm
[01:26] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:26] <LjL> "How to get the kernel source"
[01:26] <LjL> it says Git is the preferred method over apt-getting it
[01:26] <LjL> that doesn't sound right to me
[01:27] <Pici> hm
[01:29] <stdin> maybe for devs, but not for users...
[01:29] <LjL> that statement has been there for a long time though, i just never noticed
[01:30] <LjL> actually, it has been there forever, since the first revision by Ben Collins
[01:30] <LjL> and who am i to contradict Collins... still
[01:33] <stdin> add a "note" there, like "Unless you are going to hack the kernel you can user apt-get...."
[01:33] <LjL> stdin: maybe the issue is that the .deb package doesn't include security patches while git does, though
[01:34] <stdin> well "apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)" will get the source of the kernel you're running
[01:36] <LjL> that's true as well
[01:37] <LjL> edited, have a look
[01:38] <stdin> that seem better
[01:39] <LjL> see #ubuntu ;)
[01:39] <stdin> heh
[01:40] <Tm_T> hah
[01:41] <Hacker> hi
[01:41] <stdin> hello Hacker
[01:42] <LjL> wget www.google.com/q=site:wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:42] <LjL> for Page in $(htmlextractlinks index.html); do echo "Use APT even if this page recommends otherwise!" | wput - $Page?action=edit; done
[01:42] <LjL> i'm the APT dictator :P
[01:43] <Hacker> LjL: ?
[01:43] <LjL> Hacker, sorry, that wasn't for you :)
[01:43] <Hacker> ok.
[01:43] <LjL> but can we help you?
[01:43] <Hacker> yes
[01:43] <stdin> Hacker: by my count it's only been 22 hours so far
[01:43] <Pici> LjL: you are weird.
[01:44] <Hacker> Oh. My clock must be a bit fast. I will fix that.
[01:44] <LjL> ...
[01:44] <Tm_T> stdin: you mean 22 out of 9872y35r4976q254rq9023762459876 ?
[01:44] <stdin> nah, only 24 (this time)
[01:44] <Tm_T> seriously?
[01:45] <stdin> that's what we decided yesterday so..
[01:45] <Tm_T> who decided?
[01:45] <LjL> stdin: sigh... see last thing i said in #ubuntu too
[01:45] <stdin> mostly me gnomefreak and Jucato
[01:46] <Tm_T> ok
[01:46] <Tm_T> well if its fine for you, I'm fine too
[01:46] <gnomefreak> if you can confrim he read it unban him please (im getting kind of tired of seeing him
[01:46] <stdin> Tm_T: and we didn't promise to unban, we said we'd decide then
[01:47] <Tm_T> I see
[01:47] <ubotu> Evanlec called the ops in #ubuntu
[01:48] <Pici> I hate when people do that.
[01:48] <nixternal> gahahahaha, that was funny right there
[01:48] <Amaranth> LjL: I would have sent him here but that works :)
[01:49] <LjL> [01:48:42]  <troubled> LjL: someone is jumpy :) btw, http://pastebin.ca/raw/717910  (and "vaporware" is missing from that list). related to the zewb attack this morning
[01:49] <LjL> who the heck is that?
[01:49] <LjL> Amaranth: i'll unban
[01:50] <Pici> LjL: I have no idea, I thought you knew what he was talking about
[01:50] <LjL> i do know
[01:50] <LjL> but i don't know who he *is*
[01:50] <Pici> Er, well, yes, thats what I meant.
[01:50] <Evanlec> hi
[01:51] <Evanlec> i made a oopsie
[01:51] <Evanlec> but i didnt think i'd get banned...
[01:52] <LjL> Evanlec, i see you knew about this channel
[01:52] <stdin> LjL: no I told Evanlec about it
[01:52] <Evanlec> no i didnt, rtdin
[01:52] <Evanlec> told me
[01:52] <Evanlec> stdin rather
[01:52] <LjL> stdin: ok, that one's sorted
[01:52] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: what was the reason you called ops to begin with?
[01:52] <Evanlec> i just wanted to see who was ops
[01:53] <LjL> Evanlec, you said you had seen other people use !ops | nickname to warn about troublemakers
[01:53] <LjL> and yes, that's exactly what it's used for
[01:53] <Evanlec> yea..or atleast thats what i thot
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Evanlec: /msg cs access #ubuntu list
[01:53] <Evanlec> o
[01:53] <LjL> didn't the thought cross your mind that it should *only* be used for that?
[01:53] <LjL> since it *does* warn us?
[01:53] <Evanlec> i didnt know it warned you
[01:53] <Evanlec> i thot it just listed who was op
[01:53] <LjL> ehm, [01:52:23]  <Evanlec> like when someone was acting up, someone would type !ops|<nick> to warn them i guess?
[01:53] <Evanlec> right, to warn the perpetrator...
[01:54] <Pici> Evanlec: It pings all of our names so that we know something is up.
[01:54] <Evanlec> ohh i see
[01:54] <stdin> it prints their nicks, they get a highlight
[01:54] <gnomefreak> it does :) and it pings us as it says our nicks
[01:54] <Pici> Plus sends an alert to this channel.
[01:54] <Evanlec> i was unaware
[01:55] <Evanlec> i apologize :(
[01:55] <LjL> Evanlec, make sure you never do this again unless in a real emergency
[01:55] <LjL> you can join now
[01:55] <Evanlec> gotcha
[01:55] <Evanlec> thank you
[01:57] <troubled> heya
[01:57] <LjL> hi troubled, this sort of thing is better talked about in here than in #ubuntu
[01:57] <LjL> excuse me just one thing, but, while i do know what you were talking about... i don't think i know you?
[01:58] <troubled> ahh np, been in #debian many many years
[01:58] <troubled> i designed a db logger though that i use now to help out in channels and #freenode
[01:58] <LjL> right, my logs did point to "#debian" :)
[01:59] <troubled> it allows < 1sec queries on many thing. the one i paste was a list of all hosts for a nick, followed by another select of all nicks with those hosts. helps catch all their ips
[01:59] <LjL> troubled: how exactly do you put all the different nicks and IPs together?
[02:00] <LjL> i.e. since he changes everything - ident, IP, nick, how do you correlate?
[02:00] <LjL> oh, so there's still a manual "guessing of the host" involved... interesting though
[02:01] <troubled> sec, ill paste the sql for my select. it will make more sense
[02:01] <Pici> I think I understand what troubled is doing.
[02:01] <troubled> select id,nick,ident_name,sub.hostname from view_user_id as uid,
[02:01] <troubled> (select distinct(hostname) from view_user_id where nick = 'zewb') as sub
[02:01] <troubled> where sub.hostname = uid.hostname
[02:01] <troubled> order by id
[02:01] <troubled> the main select is all the hosts for "zewb" in this case. then i take that list and reselect from the same table all the nicks which have those hosts.
[02:02] <Pici> What client are you using to catch this stuff with?
[02:02] <troubled> its not perfect by any means, but it can help spot the obvious ones
[02:02] <troubled> irssi
[02:02] <LjL> troubled: ah, it's much clearer that way, my SQL is way rusty
[02:02] <troubled> svn://ircdetective.dyndns.org:27474 if your interested. irssi+perl+mysql atm
[02:02] <Pici> troubled: I'll definitly take a look
[02:03] <LjL> i don't use irssi, but it's still interesting
[02:03] <troubled> although imMute has developed a "cleaning" implementation from scratch against my db schema as well. #ircdetective if your interested in them though
[02:03] <LjL> had thought of something like that at times
[02:03] <LjL> but my client is so limited as far as scripting is concerned, that i'd have to write a whole irc proxy - or change client
[02:03] <troubled> its handy. although irssi blocks on inserts, so splits and floods can slow the irssi down until i get queue's implemented
[02:04] <Pici> I started to put together an irssi plugin to use the built in massjoin signals to alert me when something starts happening.
[02:05] <troubled> Pici: well, i dont have any alerts yet. i do have plans for some irssi /commands to do the look ups, but for now i just use an sql window and put in the selects that im after manually. i have views setup to do all the joins to save me time as well
[02:11] <troubled> Pici: http://pastebin.ca/raw/717955 is about what im running for db size. and i still get < 1sec on 99% of the queries i do. and an index usually solves any of the slow ones. plus the design makes for small db dumps. thats about 400mb on disk, and only 50mb bz2 on a dump
[02:28] <gnomefreak> LjL: did you unban troubled from ubuntu?
[02:30] <gnomefreak> sorry wrong nick
[02:31] <gnomefreak> troubled: do you have anything else that you need help with in here?
[02:31] <gnomefreak> Jucato: your guy should be around shortly
[02:31] <LjL> you were thinking about evanlec i think
[02:31] <gnomefreak> LjL: i was
[02:31] <Jucato> heheh :)
[02:32] <Jucato> part 2 of Hacker?
[02:32] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:32] <Jucato> heheh
[02:33] <stdin> "by my count it's only been 22 hours so far"  to Hacker one hour ago, he replied: "Oh. My clock must be a bit fast. I will fix that." then quit :P
[02:33] <Jucato> lol
[02:34] <troubled> gnomefreak: hehe hey now! well, unless there were anymore question, i think im all done here
[02:34] <Jucato> actually stdin is the guy you want to poke :)
[02:34] <Jucato> stdin: since your ban basically covers all of him... I think I could remove mine, which is almost 48 hours old
[02:34] <troubled> thanks for having me, and dont be afraid to ask for any log info you might need on a nick ;) *waves*
[02:34] <gnomefreak> bye ty for wanting to help
[02:35] <stdin> done
[02:35] <gnomefreak> damn if people would stop pinging me i might get what i say out in time
[02:35] <Jucato> aw... you didn't let me put my op hat on first thing in the morning :(
[02:36] <stdin> you can remove one of the other 5 bans :p
[02:36] <Jucato> nvm...
[02:36] <rob> op hats are overrated..
[02:36] <rob> :P
[02:36] <stdin> so you feeling better today Jucato?
[02:37] <LjL> staff hats are so inelegant
[02:37] <Jucato> stdin: a bit :)
[02:37] <stdin> good, you can handle Hacker then :p
[02:37] <LjL> and cumbersome to wear
[02:38] <Jucato> hehehe
[02:38] <LjL> what did this funny guy do anyway?
[02:38] <LjL> i don't feel like checking the tracker
[02:38] <LjL> besides, it never works
[02:39] <rob> staff hats are made of lead.
[02:39] <stdin> lots of CTCP ping stuff, bot abuse and generally being offtopic  (is the short version)
[02:39] <stdin> then some ban evading on top
[02:39] <rob> from wikipedia "A soft, heavy, toxic and malleable poor metal"
[02:40] <gnomefreak> he was a pita but responded well when i asked him the simple questions :)
[02:40] <Jucato> although he claims that he wasn't ban evading. his IP changes every modem reset he says
[02:40] <gnomefreak> welcome to the world of dynapic ips/ proxies
[02:40] <stdin> Jucato: he was ban evading after I banned him, then kicked then he rejoined
[02:40] <Jucato> ips?
[02:41] <stdin> so the "Ohh I didn't know" story doesn't wash with me
[02:41] <Jucato> that's why I said "he claims" and "he says" :)
[02:42] <stdin> he can claim the moon is made of cheese, I still won't believe him :p
[02:42] <Jucato> but it is!
[02:42] <gnomefreak> stdin: when i asked him why was he banned on tuesday he knew why and spit it out almost right away but he wasnt sure why on wed. kind of makes me think hes fairly honest
[02:43] <Jucato> either that or he's pretty proud of it :P
[02:43] <gnomefreak> but not my ban so im just watching
[02:43] <Jucato> it's all stdin's now :)
[02:43] <Jucato> (which is why I wanted my ban removed...)
[02:44] <LjL> rob: op hats, but specially the ones made after the seveas fashion, are made of copper, "a reddish-colored metal, with a high electrical and thermal conductivity"
[02:44] <stdin> the nick change to "sorrystdin" was the annoying thing, I hate it when people use my nick in theirs. like that xp_killer showed up as stdin2 ...
[02:46] <rob> LjL, so you are saying that op hats are bad to be wearing during thunderstorms?
[02:46] <LjL> rob, they *make* the thunderstorms
[02:46] <stdout> so, can i be unbanned now?
[02:46] <rob> LjL, heh ok
[02:46] <gnomefreak> stdin: who are you?
[02:47] <gnomefreak> oops
[02:47] <LjL> mwah
[02:47] <gnomefreak> stdout: who are you>
[02:47] <gnomefreak> stdout: why were you banned?
[02:47] <stdout> gnomefreak: i'm the brother of the guy you banned, stderr
[02:47] <stdin> "n=ljl" hmm
[02:47] <LjL> stdin: entirely a coincidence i'm sure
[02:47] <gnomefreak> still not helpful i dont remember banning him
[02:48] <gnomefreak> LjL: oh yeah everyone have you initials
[02:48] <stdin> LjL: oh, I wouldn't suggest otherwise :)
[02:48] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:48] <LjL> he's certainly a troll
[02:48] <gnomefreak> thats what you were talking about
[02:48] <stdin> I agree
[02:48] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[02:49] <gnomefreak> why does that hostmask look like ive seen that tonight
[02:49] <LjL> gnomefreak... it *is*, after all, my hostmask
[02:49] <gnomefreak> not who i thought
[02:50] <gnomefreak> LjL: i was thinking it was hacker for some reason
[02:50] <LjL> Hacker n=Hacker adsl-70-132-24-244.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net
[02:50] <gnomefreak> did you /whois stdout? before you banned him?
[02:51] <Jucato>  --> stdout has joined this channel<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:51] <gnomefreak> his real name was your name
[02:51] <gnomefreak> his set real name
[02:51] <stdin> spooky
[02:51] <gnomefreak> thats why the initials comment came out :)
[02:53] <LjL> gnomefreak, i know it was evident it was me :P
[02:53] <LjL> i didn't mean to make it a long joke and only tell after you got bored :P
[02:53] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:55] <Jucato> :D
[03:16] <gnomefreak> Pici: problems in -offtopic?
[03:16] <Pici> gnomefreak: Just some guy who wanted to talk about demonoid so LjL and I tried to explain why it was o4o
[03:17] <gnomefreak> ok :) just watching
[03:19] <gnomefreak> bot has a bunch of lag here
[03:19] <Pici> !ping
[03:19] <ubotu> pong
[03:19] <stdin> !lag
[03:19] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[03:20] <gnomefreak> go figure smart ass bot would say that
[03:21] <Vorian> can someone here cloak our new ubuntu member sesien?
[03:22] <seisen> I was wondering what it was
[03:24] <ubotu> kitche called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:24] <ubotu> FrancoGG called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:24] <kitche> hey we need an op in #ubuntu to lock it down
[03:25] <kitche> ah I see your there gnomefreak :)
[03:25] <Jucato> (gnomefreak is *everywhere*)
[03:26] <kitche> well it was hard to tell with everything :)
[03:26] <Pici> someone is klining them too
[03:26] <gnomefreak> saw that but there was one left so i grabbed him
[03:26] <gnomefreak> one means alot more can enter
[03:27] <Pici> Er, why are people who I'm pretty sure arent bots getting the k-line stick?
[03:28] <Bam2550> Hello, why was i banned from #ubuntu?
[03:28] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:28] <ubotu> Borat called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:28] <stdin> gnomefreak: see all the "register spamspamspamspamspam" messages, seems these bots are now trying to register their nicks now so +r won't grab em
[03:28] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:29] <gnomefreak> you do know the ones that just joined are contributers i didnt seee spam messages after rob set -R
[03:29] <rob> no, they have stopped
[03:30] <gnomefreak> i know thats why i asked them to stop with !ops and !staff
[03:30] <gnomefreak> stdin: hard to reg. a k-lined nick/host
[03:31] <gnomefreak> good think i waited to go to bed
[03:31] <stdin> gnomefreak: yeah, they register before the k-line
[03:31] <gnomefreak> that would have pissed me off
[03:33] <kitche> I should load up my irc client that doesn't response to ctcp or that doesn't spam me with it at least
[03:34] <w0000000000000t> :)
[03:35] <gnomefreak> rob: all servers are up?
[03:35] <w0000000000000t> i hope you guys lieked the crapflood :)
[03:35] <Pici> w0000000000000t: excuse me?
[03:35] <jdong> what happened to runemaste645? curious :)
[03:35] <gnomefreak> he cant be that stupid
[03:35] <w0000000000000t> I claim the crapflood in the name of the Buttghost
[03:35] <rob> gnomefreak, yes
[03:35] <w0000000000000t> There's another crapflood coming tomorrow :D
[03:35] <w0000000000000t> bigger and bigger
[03:35] <w0000000000000t> :D
[03:35] <stdin> w0000000000000t: yeah, whatever :)
[03:36] <gnomefreak> ^^^ wasnt hard
[03:36] <Pici> smellyonion, Bam2550: how can we help you two?
[03:36] <smellyonion> Well
[03:36] <smellyonion> i got forwarded here
[03:36] <jdong> why doesn't freenode just nix all tor gateway clients?
[03:36] <Pici> Thats the first time I've seen someone come in here and claim responsibility.
[03:36] <gnomefreak> it would be nice if we were allowed to ban tor in here
[03:36] <Bam2550> I asked a while ago why i was banned. =\ From ubuntu
[03:36] <Pici> Bam2550: Did you get forwarded to another channel?
[03:37] <Bam2550> I will quote myself once more
[03:37] <Bam2550> "why was i banned from #ubuntu"?
[03:37] <rob> don't worry about the crap flood, I have something for him soon.
[03:37] <Pici> Bam2550: It was probably due to your realname.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> im thinking he wasnt banned but i will look
[03:38] <Bam2550> oh, someone was being a jerk and being like "bill thats a funny name, ahaha loser" ect
[03:38] <Bam2550> on a different server
[03:38] <Bam2550> i will change it
[03:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: realname ban on it exists in the bantracker
[03:39] <Bam2550> How do i change it o.0
[03:39] <jdong> haha, stuck an explicative in the realname and forgot how to remove it :)
[03:39] <gnomefreak> Bam2550: what client?
[03:39] <Pici> Bam2550: Its probably in your irc client properties, it really matters client to client.
[03:39] <Bam2550> mIRC
[03:39] <gnomefreak> how did you set it to what it is now?
[03:39] <gnomefreak> just reverse the steps
[03:39] <Bam2550> It wont let me change it, the text box is grayed out
[03:39] <jdong> Bam2550: probably need to disconnect first?
[03:40] <Bam2550> probably
[03:40] <Bam2550> brb then
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: for sweetonion?
[03:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: for Bam
[03:41] <Pici> gnomefreak: I didnt check smellyonion's ban
[03:41] <gnomefreak> that was easy :)
[03:41] <gnomefreak> im looking for his. Bam2550 has changed his realname
[03:41] <Pici> Bam2550: Try joining #ubuntu now
[03:41] <Bam2550> Okay its changed
[03:42] <Bam2550> it works
[03:42] <Bam2550> i just have to identify
[03:42] <Pici> Bam2550: Sounds good, sorry for the wait, we just got hit hard by a bot attack.
[03:42] <Bam2550> ick
[03:43] <Bam2550> --Brb unplugging ipod--
[03:43] <Bam2550> Hmm, wow it didnt do it this time
[03:43] <Bam2550> nvm
[03:43] <Pici> gnomefreak: yeah, I dont see one for onion either, unless he tried to join before authed :/
[03:44] <stdin> Hacker should show up soon
[03:44] <gnomefreak> no i think trolling, i think he was with w0000000000
[03:45] <gnomefreak> we have exactly 400 bans set in #ubuntu atm
[03:45] <Pici> perhaps, registered just yesterday.
[03:45] <gnomefreak> 21:31 -!- litebrite [i=TOR@gateway/tor/x-ef2f611f3c08ff87]  has joined  #ubuntu-ops
[03:45] <gnomefreak> 21:32 -!- smellyonion [i=onion@unaffiliated/smellyonion]  has joined #ubuntu-ops
[03:45] <gnomefreak> one behind other
[03:46] <gnomefreak> litebrite == w00000000...
[03:46] <gnomefreak> stdin: i hope so the meds are starting to ummmmmmmm well you know :)
[03:53] <Hacker> Hi!
[03:53] <stdin> hello hacker
[03:53] <jdong> welcome back
[03:53] <gnomefreak> hi
[03:54] <Hacker> well?
[03:54] <stdin> ok, I'll begin...
[03:54] <stdin> Hacker: Have you read the Code of Conduct, especially the 1st two parts "Be considerate." and "Be respectful."? also, have you read the IRC Guidelines, especially the parts about "Bot abuse", "Language and Subject" and "Don't be annoying" ?
[03:54] <Hacker> Yes.
[03:55] <stdin> and you fully understand those?
[03:55] <Hacker> ye
[03:55] <Hacker> s
[03:55] <gnomefreak> we are always watching ;)
[03:55] <Hacker> ;-)
[03:55] <Jucato> they are... I'm mostly asleep :)
[03:55] <stdin> so you also understand why you were banned and realise that if this behaviour persists you'll be banned again (for longer)
[03:56] <Hacker> Yes.
[03:56] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:56] <gnomefreak> ok brb smoke
[03:56] <stdin> and I take that, Hacker, as a promise that you will respect these rules and guidelines from now on?
[03:57] <Hacker> yes. definitely.
[03:57] <Jucato> good :)
[03:59] <stdin> Hacker: ok, give me a sec to remove the bans
[03:59] <Hacker> ok
[04:00] <Bam2550> Hacker, are you really a hacker?
[04:00] <Hacker> No.
[04:00] <Bam2550> Why is your name Hacker then?
[04:00] <stdin> I think that should do it
[04:01] <stdin> Hacker: you should be able to join now
[04:01] <Hacker> Thanks.
[04:02] <Jucato> ok...
[04:02] <Jucato> kinda weird that he only went online to get unbanned... then went offline... :)
[04:03] <stdin> yeah, maybe I should sneak the bans back in :p
[04:03] <Jucato> heh
[04:03] <jdong> stdin: ROFL
[04:03] <jdong> stdin: then take them out when he comes back in here
[04:04] <Pici> Bam2550: Is there anything else we can help you with?
[04:04] <stdin> yeah, and act like I can't find the bans ;)
[04:04] <Bam2550> No, should i leave?
[04:05] <stdin> Bam2550: unless you have any other business here, then there's no point being here :)
[04:05] <Bam2550> i can see when im not wanted.
[04:06] <Jucato> perhaps we could put that in the topic? avoids awkward moments? :)
[04:06] <stdin> what, like "The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel" ?
[04:07] <stdin> or just change it to "We don't like you, so leave" :p
[04:07] <Jucato> teh latter of course :)
[04:08] <Pici> Well, we dont have a problem with some people here...
[04:08] <Pici> Like that jdong guy
[04:08] <Pici> On second thought..
[04:08] <stdin> well, ubotu 'aint so bad
[04:08] <Jucato> who's jdong?
[04:10] <gnomefreak> jdog is a good guy most of the time
[04:11] <jdong> I'm kind of 1/8 belonging here no?
[04:11] <jdong> of course #ubuntuforums doesn't really count for much of #*buntu*-dom
[04:12] <gnomefreak> python doesnt use ifelse does it?
[04:12] <Jucato> jdong: forgive my  ignorance.. but I've always been confused as to the relationship of ubuntuforums.org with #ubuntuforums
[04:12] <jdong> gnomefreak: clarify?
[04:13] <jdong> Jucato: lol the relationship is indeed extremely unclear....
[04:13] <jdong> Jucato: #uf was started by two people who were on the staff of ubuntuforums....
[04:13] <jdong> Jucato: but apart from that, it has no relation with the forums, other than any uf.org staff member wanting ops on #uf can have it
[04:13] <gnomefreak> jdong: in py code example (and accurate) do ...ifelse {2*3=b]
[04:13] <jdong> Jucato: it is a lower-standards, less-enforced environment than uf.org
[04:14] <jdong> gnomefreak: no, that is not python syntax...
[04:14] <gnomefreak> C uses ifelse staments
[04:14] <gnomefreak> jdong: what does py use in place of ifelse?
[04:14] <jdong> I am not familiar with that statement being a part of C either
[04:14] <Jucato> jdong: I see... coz I might be joining your ranks soon.. and I have no idea anymore of the landscape of the forums.. :(
[04:14] <Jucato> operative word: might
[04:15] <gnomefreak> jdong: hold on ill give you exact syntax for C
[04:16] <gnomefreak> i know C uses if(....) i could swear it uses ifelse after if if if is not correct
[04:16] <jdong> gnomefreak: you mean if / else if / else if / else type conditional branching?
[04:17] <Jucato> C uses if () else if () else if ()... no ifelse or elseif
[04:17] <gnomefreak> yes but i could swear C uses if(b==null) /n ifelse
[04:17] <nixternal> nope
[04:17] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[04:17] <Jucato> nested if...else
[04:18] <gnomefreak> what the hell uses ifelse bash?
[04:18] <gnomefreak> no if fi
[04:18] <nixternal> (b==null) ? foo : bar
[04:18] <gnomefreak> thinking
[04:18] <jdong> gnomefreak: GNU m4
[04:18] <jdong> :)
[04:18] <jdong> you poor poor thing for having m4 burnt into your brain :)
[04:18] <gnomefreak> ah its else
[04:19] <jdong> python uses if / elsif / elsif / else
[04:19] <jdong> or was it elif?
[04:19] <jdong> whichever shows up in color in your editor!
[04:19] <gnomefreak> never heard of cls()
[04:19] <gnomefreak> i just saw that
[04:19] <nixternal> jdong: hahahahah, that is what I do when working with idiotic languages
[04:19] <nixternal> just type something until it changes color, then you know it is OK :p
[04:20] <jdong> nixternal: you know what's one thing I loved about MS Visual Studio?
[04:20] <nixternal> intellicomplete or whatever they call it?
[04:20] <jdong> nixternal: press alt+space, and the IDE tells you everything that you could possibly put in there and still have the code compile!
[04:20] <nixternal> or, how it drops down a billion solutions
[04:20] <jdong> and it is generally indeed intelligent
[04:20] <nixternal> jdong: you can do the same with netbeans for not only java, but also for C/C++ now
[04:20] <Pici> jdong: I think eclipse does the same thing, and some other IDEs
[04:20] <nixternal> eclipse is just ummm....I will leave that one alone
[04:21] <jdong> nixternal: NetBeans/Eclipse are both slower at doing it....
[04:21] <jdong> nixternal: not to mention less accurate
[04:21] <Pici> Eclipse is slow at doing a lot of things.
[04:21] <nixternal> netbeans is actually the quickest I have seen for *nix
[04:21] <jdong> I don't think they'll catch like FooType b(foo,bar); b=<alt+space>
[04:21] <nixternal> I have tried everything
[04:21] <Pici> I've been meaning to try out netbeans..
[04:21] <jdong> VS will only pick things that are compatible with FooType
[04:21] <nixternal> with netbeans, I can even do Qt work and it does the autocomplete and includes the apidocs
[04:21] <jdong> nixternal: netbeans is fastest in *nix
[04:22] <jdong> for autocomplete
[04:22] <nixternal> eclipse always crashes on me
[04:22] <jdong> nixternal: but it comes nowhere REMOTELY close to VS
[04:22] <jdong> somehow MS did magic on that part
[04:22] <nixternal> no ide comes remotely close to VS
[04:22] <Pici> nixternal: Me too.
[04:22] <jdong> I used VS7 on a 233MHz system
[04:22] <jdong> and it was snappy, including autocomplete and forms designed
[04:22] <jdong> anyone wanna try running eclipse on a 233?
[04:22] <nixternal> hell no
[04:22] <nixternal> that would be like running it on my cell phone :)
[04:22] <Pici> I have eclipse on my usb stick.
[04:22] <jdong> the only thing I'd dare try is vim7 omnicomplete :)
[04:23] <gnomefreak> ok going to bed before i hurt myself thinking
[04:23] <mneptok> jdong: will it mork on my 25Mhz 68040?
[04:23] <mneptok> *work
[04:23] <jdong> mneptok: only if you buy the Ultra Limited For Slow Computers Bill Gates Signed Edition :)
[04:23] <jdong> what was that actual vista edition with the absurdly long name?
[04:23] <jdong> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Ultimate-Numbered-Signature/dp/B000M2WPIQ
[04:24] <jdong> here it is
[04:24] <mneptok> Windows Vista Home Basic Media Center Unlimited Premium Upgrade Edition
[04:24] <jdong> Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE Limited Numbered Signature Edition
[04:24] <jdong> sadly... it's real.
[04:25] <jdong> 22:19 -!- runemaste644<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined  #ubuntuforums
[04:25] <jdong> ^^ why was this guy klined earlier?
[04:25] <jdong> he just joined #uf with nick-1
[04:27] <nalioth> Windows Vista Home Basic Media Center Unlimited Cherry-topped Premium Signature Enhanced Upgrade Edition with Special Digital Sprinkles
[04:29] <jdong> nalioth: ooh where can I buy that?
[04:30] <stdin> I may think about getting Windows Vista Premium Basic Ultimate Media Center Home Limited-Stock Todays Special Value Enhanced Edition (Upgrade)
[04:30] <stdin> but then again, I may not
[04:39] <coreymon77> stdin: jdong: if either of you do that, i would have to kill you
[04:40] <stdin> I may think about getting Windows Vista Premium Basic Ultimate Media Center Home Limited-Stock Todays Special Value Enhanced Edition (Upgrade) ?
[04:41] <mneptok> stdin: don't want the signature?
[04:41] <stdin> mneptok: MS already signed the DRM, I don't need another :p
[04:42] <stdin> maybe we should bring out "Ubuntu Premium Basic Ultimate Media Center Home Limited-Stock Todays Special Value Enhanced Edition" ? what ya think?
[04:42] <mneptok> stdin: what about a signature that's not so likely to be cracked and Dugg<PHONE_NUMBER> times?
[04:42] <nalioth> Windows Vista Home Basic Media Center Unlimited Cherry-topped Premium Signature Enhanced-with-Nalioth-GPG-DRM Upgrade Edition with Special Digital Sprinkles
[04:42] <mneptok> (Pony Edition)
[04:43] <coreymon77> stdin: the only difference between that and the regula buntus being a really long name
[04:43] <jdong> for my reputation's sake I'll leave out some of my pre-Ubuntu afiliations :D
[04:43] <nalioth> what DRM ?
[04:43] <mneptok> try being gay without my approval NOW, ya bastard!
[04:43] <coreymon77> :P
[04:44] <jdong> *note to self*: Need approval from mneptok before becoming gay.
[04:44] <coreymon77> lol
[04:46] <jdong> glad I made you happy :)
[04:49] <stdin> happy? you mean gay
[04:49] <jdong> same thing :)
[04:49] <stdin> reads better when you replace "happy" with "gay" tho :)
[04:49] <jdong> ROFL
[04:50] <jdong> I think my appearance would do the exact opposite :)
[04:50] <coreymon77> okay
[04:50] <coreymon77> interesting conversation
[04:51] <jdong> coreymon77: you missed when we made like 10 minutes worth of sex jokes a few hours ago....
[04:51] <coreymon77> i could look at the logs
[04:51] <jdong> ha, "grep your backlog...."
[04:52] <coreymon77> although im too busy talking on irc as my wined mirc bot on my kubuntu box from my macbook through freenx
[04:52] <jdong> that's an intense setup :)
[04:52] <coreymon77> i know thats a lot of layers
[04:52] <jdong> do you run OS X or Linux on your macbook
[04:52] <jdong> (wow this is OT)
[04:52] <coreymon77> epecially since my kubuntu box is right beside me
[04:52] <coreymon77> but i finally got freenx set up
[04:53] <coreymon77> so im hving fun with it
[04:53] <coreymon77> :P:P
[04:53] <coreymon77> jdong: osx
[04:53] <jdong> coreymon77: likewise here....
[04:53] <stdin> today I ran Mac OSX on my x66 laptop :)
[04:53] <jdong> coreymon77: I would be more convinced to run Gutsy on it if there weren't a 1:45 battery discrepancy
[04:54] <stdin> x86 rather
[04:54] <coreymon77> jdong: by doing that i am effectively going hrouh 3 oses jsut to do something that i can do on any one of them natively
[04:54] <coreymon77> jdong: just for the heck of it
[04:55] <jdong> stdin: I had a very similar setup going....
[04:55] <coreymon77> stdin: and?
[04:55] <coreymon77> stdin: like it?
[04:55] <jdong> stdin: stopped when all my attempts to get wifi running failed
[04:55] <stdin> http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7411/test4eu5.jpg < proof
[04:55] <coreymon77> i could do that on my kubuntu box
[04:55] <coreymon77> but im a purist
[04:55] <jdong> stdin: spent 4-5hrs trying to port BSD wpi(4) to Darwin.....
[04:55] <coreymon77> im running osx on an actual mac
[04:55] <jdong> then just said screw it and dropped 1400 for a macbook
[04:55] <coreymon77> jdong: good idea
[04:55] <stdin> coreymon77: need to use it more, only just installed it
[04:55] <jdong> stdin: silly boy that doesn't count :)
[04:56] <jdong> stdin: OSX86 native is the way to go
[04:56] <coreymon77> jdong: you mean running it on an actual mac right?
[04:56] <jdong> coreymon77: or a very very nicely thought out/hacked hackintosh setup
[04:56] <coreymon77> jdong: because osx86 means running it on not a mac
[04:56] <jdong> coreymon77: moral/legal issues aside
[04:56] <stdin> I used the PPC version, because it has "Power" in it's name
[04:56] <stdin> :)
[04:57] <jdong> coreymon77: I respect the people who actually get OSX running on non-apple hardware through their own hard work and ingenuity
[04:57] <coreymon77> so do i
[04:57] <jdong> I am disgusted by those who download some random torrent, fail to read SIMPLE instructions to set it up... then walk off saying OS X sucks.
[04:57] <coreymon77> but, even the huge pirate that i am, apple is probably the one company id rather not pirate from
[04:58] <jdong> coreymon77: I'd consider hackintosh to be an educational exercise, not a permanent replacement for a mac
[04:58] <coreymon77> for apple stuff, id rather actually pay for it, get it normally
[04:58] <jdong> coreymon77: Apple's current pricing schemes ofr their OS'es is pretty reasonable to me for the quality product I am getting....
[04:58] <coreymon77> if course
[04:59] <jdong> coreymon77: and the most crucial part of the Apple experience for me is I don't worry a bit about the system. Apple's products and services take care of it for me
[04:59] <coreymon77> its the same thing as saying running doze xp with vmware is the same thing as running it natively
[04:59] <stdin> shame Apple are EVIL tho
[04:59] <jdong> I dislike Apple's deliberate practice of locking out their hardware from software modifications
[05:00] <jdong> i.e. how the new-generation iPods are all firmware-encrypted
[05:00] <jdong> and most likely will never ever get rockbox
[05:00] <coreymon77> no matter what you do, stuff like hackintosh with never be the same as getting a real mac
[05:00] <jdong> coreymon77: not to say that you can't get very very close :)
[05:00] <jdong> with enough Darwin elbow grease
[05:00] <coreymon77> too much work
[05:00] <jdong> aye
[05:01] <jdong> some people consider it "fun" though :)
[05:01] <jdong> i'm one of those, when I am not bogged down with schoolwork
[05:01] <coreymon77> with all the time you spend trying to get it to work, you could probably earn enough money to buy a real mac in the first place
[05:01] <jdong> aye, but then you don't get to learn about OS X's guts :)
[05:02] <jdong> ooh EFI update...
[05:02] <coreymon77> i know the major complaint about macs are they are more pricet
[05:02] <coreymon77> pricey*
[05:02] <coreymon77> jdong: i know, i got it earlier today
[05:02] <jdong> coreymon77: I don't agree with that complaint :)
[05:02] <coreymon77> and its true
[05:02] <coreymon77> they are more expensive
[05:02] <coreymon77> but
[05:02] <jdong> coreymon77: I think Apple's very price-competitive at their formfactor
[05:02] <jdong> coreymon77: I was never intending on getting a macbook actually... I was merely looking at lightweight compact notebooks
[05:02] <coreymon77> what im saying is that this macbook was not cheap
[05:03] <jdong> coreymon77: and could not find a comparable PC one at similar prices, that oculd stand a chance of running a *nix OS
[05:03] <coreymon77> jdong: specs?
[05:03] <jdong> coreymon77: 3rd gen 2.16 c2d, 2GB RAM, 160GB  HDD, 1399 or so
[05:04] <jdong> I was trying to build comparable systems at lenovo and dell in the same size factor
[05:04] <jdong> and could not match Apple's prices
[05:05] <coreymon77> with taxes
[05:05] <coreymon77> this thing was close to a good $2000 dollars
[05:05] <jdong> coreymon77: yeah, prices have come down since then, though
[05:06] <jdong> and my 2GB RAM was added on after-market
[05:06] <coreymon77> im talking with taxes
[05:06] <coreymon77> before taxes it was 1600
[05:06] <jdong> coreymon77: where do you live?
[05:06] <coreymon77> sorry, dont say that stuf
[05:07] <coreymon77> and my dad just got a dell that with rebate was under 1000
[05:07] <coreymon77> so this was definitely more expensive
[05:07] <coreymon77> but the difference is
[05:07] <coreymon77> 3-5 years from now
[05:07] <coreymon77> i could and may still be using this thing
[05:07] <jdong> coreymon77: Dell's in his price range are not in the same hardware/quality class as Apples.
[05:07] <coreymon77> which is much more than i can say about any dell computer
[05:08] <coreymon77> sure, macs are more expensive, there is no denying that mathematically
[05:08] <coreymon77> but they are better comptuers
[05:08] <coreymon77> its higher quallity
[05:08] <stdin> (in your opinion)
[05:08] <coreymon77> this laptop is gonna last me a good long while
[05:09] <jdong> ooh fantastic, looks like new EFI update fixed the keyboard race condition on safe-sleep resume
[05:09] <jdong> with trial count of 2.
[05:09] <coreymon77> huh?
[05:09] <coreymon77> i dont even know what that firmware thing did
[05:10] <jdong> coreymon77: it is a common MB/MBP bug that if a system goes into hibernation sleep (i.e. you set sleepmode>=3 via pmuset, or you lost battery while system was in normal sleep), the keyboard might be deead upon resume
[05:10] <jdong> it happens with 80%+ frequency
[05:11] <jdong> I have done 5 cycles of this now, and cannot reproduce the bug anymore.
[05:11] <coreymon77> oh, never knew that
[05:12] <jdong> few people ever test the deep sleep ting
[05:12] <jdong> it's  a hidden feature of the OS activated by some shell-scripting hackjobs
[05:12] <coreymon77> i just do the close the lid sleep thing
[05:12] <jdong> that is the hybrid safe-sleep
[05:12] <jdong> it does a hibernate (write out to disk), but then goes into sleep
[05:12] <jdong> so if your power source stays alive, wakeup will be instant wake from sleep
[05:13] <jdong> but if you lose your battery, the system just resumes from hibernate by copying from disk to RAM
[05:13] <jdong> in the latter scenario it was common for the system to resume with a dead keyboard
[05:13] <jdong> commonly reported on mac forums with no workaround
[05:13] <coreymon77> technobabble
[05:13] <jdong> it is rumored to be a race-condition in the EFI where the system assigns the IR controller the job of being keyboard
[05:13] <coreymon77> oh and btw, that pm from snowbot, thats me
[05:13] <jdong> coreymon77: I realized :)
[05:14] <Amaranth> jdong: Heh, I can't even suspend :(
[05:14] <Amaranth> Stop telling me about how awesome your suspend is
[05:14] <jdong> Amaranth: aww you poor thing :)
[05:14] <jdong> then ducks!
[05:14] <Amaranth> I get 3 easily on this beast
[05:15] <Amaranth> Wait, do you have a 17" MBP?
[05:15] <jdong> no, standard macbook
[05:15] <Amaranth> ok then, my battery life is alright :)
[05:15] <jdong> :)
[05:15] <Amaranth> If I turn off wifi it goes up to almost 4
[05:15] <jdong> if I turn off wifi I peak at around 6:00
[05:16] <Amaranth> WinXP gets me about 2 to 2.5
[05:16] <coreymon77> lol
[05:16] <Amaranth> So I'm happy :)
[05:16] <jdong> if I turn off backlight and work on strong background lighting, I can get around 9hrs of work done
[05:16] <Amaranth> I can't turn off my backlight
[05:16] <coreymon77> jdong: i just plug it in
[05:16] <Amaranth> I can't even turn it down, it's an 'ultra bright'
[05:17] <Amaranth> I'm about to try a stock kernel
[05:17] <Amaranth> But then I have to get my iwl3945 and nvidia on my own
[05:17] <Amaranth> But if it suspends...
[05:17] <jdong> linux suspend-foo drives me nuts
[05:17] <jdong> not even all standard intel hardware do it properly
[05:18] <Amaranth> This is the first time it's been really broken since dapper
[05:18] <jdong> mako's thinkpad only S3->alive 90% of the time.
[05:18] <Amaranth> I mean, since it started working with dapper
[05:18] <jdong> which is not a good percentage for doing it long term
[05:18] <Amaranth> Shitty hardware and no specifications
[05:20] <coreymon77> huh?
[05:20] <coreymon77> i found that feisty completely fixed the suspend problems
[05:20] <coreymon77> mine hibernates perfectly
[05:21] <Amaranth> 7.04 worked great for me too
[05:21] <coreymon77> an fix that i found incredibly useful
[05:21] <Amaranth> 7.10 breaks it :/
[05:21] <coreymon77> thats because its a beta
[05:21] <Amaranth> Uh
[05:22] <Amaranth> coreymon77: Do you have any idea how suspend and/or the Ubuntu development process works?
[05:24] <Amaranth> So, I'm thinking mute NotSure in offtopic, any objections?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> go for it (but im still sleeping) his attitude that he hates this and and him more than him is just alot of bs to me but i guess we dont have rules agianst it
[06:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, smacfarl said: ubotu: so is there a good way to convert from wma lossless to flac?


[13:04] <jrwren> what show?
[13:06] <jrwren> lol... vintage flapper world...  Rochester isn't Detroit. Facts are facts. :p
[13:19] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:20] <cmaloney> Settle down, beavis
[17:48] <cmaloney> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1017459865205092433/1104080304425144390/FB_IMG_1683302531802.jpg?width=318&height=546
[17:57] <greg-g> LimeWire I mean LimeBuntu
[18:22] <ben> theo katzman!!
[19:59] <jrwren> I snort laughed at that comic


[19:41] <qwebirc33982> mythbuntu.org is giving me a 403 Forbidden error when I try to download the 64-bit ISO.
[19:44] <tgm4883> hmm
[19:44] <tgm4883> qwebirc33982: what is the URL that it is sending you to?
[19:50] <qwebirc33982> Interesting. When I went into my history and clicked on the URL it started downloading. URL is http://download.mythbuntu.org/?file=mythbuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.
[19:50] <tgm4883> qwebirc33982: yea that just redirects you to one of our mirrors
[19:51] <tgm4883> so one of our mirrors is acting up, I'll investigate it. Thanks for letting us know
[19:51] <qwebirc33982> thanks for checking.


[16:29] <ddstreet> o/
[16:29] <mapreri> ddstreet: teward: o/
[16:32] <mapreri> ddstreet: should we start without teward ?
[16:32] <ddstreet> mapreri yep let's start, he can catch up
[16:33] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backports Team
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:33:09 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:33] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:34] <ddstreet> i'll run thru the previous action items first, assuming the ones marked done are done and just carrying over the rest, please stop me if there's anything we should discuss for them
[16:34] <ddstreet> #topic Previous Action Items
[16:34] <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over)
[16:34] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over)
[16:34] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet update tooling, requestbackport, backportpackage (carried over)
[16:34] <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet update draft charter to point to team policies at single wiki page, create draft wiki page for team policies
[16:34] <ddstreet> done
[16:34] <ddstreet> #subtopic ddstreet send ML email after updating charter
[16:34] <ddstreet> done
[16:34] <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress)
[16:35] <ddstreet> carrying over, i assume
[16:35] <mapreri> ya
[16:35] <ddstreet> #action mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress)
[16:35] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri upload (more of) all the tools (carried over, in progress)
[16:35] <ddstreet> #subtopic mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over)
[16:35] <ddstreet> #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over)
[16:35] <mapreri> same
[16:35] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix (https://bugs.debian.org/1001399) (carried over)
[16:35] <ddstreet> #subtopic (unassigned) review delegation email on ML
[16:35] <mapreri> done?
[16:35] <ddstreet> no, but let's drop the action, since it's listed in the ML topics also
[16:36] <ddstreet> #subtopic (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over)
[16:36] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over)
[16:36] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls (carried over)
[16:36] <ddstreet> #subtopic (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over)
[16:36] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over)
[16:36] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) look at reviewer tooling such as 'queue' or other tools for reviewing/accepting/rejecting uploads, and closing the corresponding bugs (carried over)
[16:36] <ddstreet> ok that's the previous actions, hopefully after some of the more administrative tasks are behind us we'll have more time to address them
[16:37] <ddstreet> #topic Open Mailing List Threads
[16:37] <ddstreet> #subtopic clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[16:37] <mapreri> I feel sorry for the whole #topic :S
[16:37] <ddstreet> as do i :(
[16:38] <ddstreet> i think we'll get to this one as well, but we should leave it in the list so we don't lose it
[16:38] <mapreri> yes
[16:38] <ddstreet> hmm im not sure how to mark something other than 'action' with meetingology...i guess i'll just use 'action' and edit the agenda properly later
[16:38] <ddstreet> #action clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[16:38] <meetingology> ACTION: clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[16:38] <mapreri> there is #info I think?
[16:39] <ddstreet> ah ok lemme try that
[16:39] <ddstreet> #info clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[16:39] <mapreri> or #idea or #agreed
[16:39] <mapreri> however you should have likely #undo that one before? :P
[16:39] <ddstreet> #undo
[16:39] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: INFO
[16:39] <ddstreet> #undo
[16:39] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[16:39] <ddstreet> i'm not sure how info will appear in the minutes, but let's try it this time
[16:39] <ddstreet> #info clarification on specific wording for no-bug-required backport exceptions
[16:40] <mapreri> don't you love experimenting with bots? :P
[16:40] <ddstreet> lol
[16:40] <ddstreet> now i'm excited to see the results after the mtg :)
[16:40] <mapreri> anyway, I haven't misplaced the mails in my system, they are just piled up
[16:40] <mapreri> as usual
[16:40] <ddstreet> #subtopic Ratifying a formal delegation
[16:40] <ddstreet> i think this one is superseded by the charter, so i think we can drop this one?
[16:40] <mapreri> they are both a whole pageful away from the current line
[16:41] <mapreri> yes
[16:41] <ddstreet> lol indeed my email inbox is pretty crazy
[16:41] <ddstreet> #subtopic suggestion to drop request for TB ratification and use simple team approval
[16:41] <mapreri> I don't quite agree here
[16:41] <ddstreet> so, i sent this yesterday, not sure if you had a chance to read it
[16:41] <ddstreet> ok
[16:41] <mapreri> I did
[16:42] <mapreri> I'd like to find a better middle-ground between what the TB (→ rbasak, basically?  I don't think anybody else answered iirc) would like to see, and what we'd like
[16:42] <mapreri> I think his comments were basically saying that too much was in the charter?
[16:42] <ddstreet> yeah, i dont think anyone else on the TB even read the charter until (maybe) yesterday
[16:43] <mapreri> what's with yesterday?
[16:43] <ddstreet> there was a TB meeting yesterday
[16:43] <ddstreet> they did not review or discuss the charter though unfortunately
[16:43] <ddstreet> i did put it on the TB agenda right after their mtg 2 weeks ago (or maybe before)
[16:44] <mapreri> I'd find surprising if anybody ever look at a meeting agenda before a meeting
[16:44] <mapreri> I sure don't :(
[16:44]  * rbasak is here but has no comment at the moment
[16:44] <ddstreet> i think the main thing for me is, i feel we (i.e. our team) has done the work to create the charter/rules/policies we want to use for running our team; i think we would all like for the TB to ratify it, but what I don't want to do is engage with the TB in any long discussions about various changes to the charter
[16:45] <rbasak> But I'm happy to clarify anything if you'd like
[16:45] <ddstreet> i think our team should assume the charter is good, and move on with that assumption; the TB is totally able to review and ratify it at their own pace
[16:45] <rbasak> If you think I'm proposing to change your charter, then you misunderstand
[16:45] <mapreri> ddstreet: I don't think it's fair for you to expect somebody to ratify something but at the same time not giving them the right to express opinions on it
[16:46] <ddstreet> no that's not what i mean
[16:46] <ddstreet> expressing opinions is fine
[16:46] <ddstreet> but what i'd expect from the TB is specific requests for changes
[16:46] <ddstreet> as a whole, i.e. en banc
[16:46] <mapreri> ok, I think I see your point
[16:46] <ddstreet> like, i'd expect the TB to have whatever discussion about our charter that they want
[16:47] <ddstreet> and then, come back to us saying 'we would liek you to cahnge XYZ...'
[16:47] <mapreri> mind if I take some time to re-read the TB thread again, to better understand rbasak's views (I didn't really pay attention when I read before), and see if I can help move it forward somehow.
[16:47] <mapreri> anyway, it's not like this is blocking our daily work
[16:47] <ddstreet> sure exactly
[16:48] <mapreri> but please don't just drop it all
[16:48] <ddstreet> i do think it's important to *have* a charter our team agrees on, *preferably* that is ratified by our governing body, but our team should not get bogged down with lengthy discussions over the specific details of the charter
[16:49] <ddstreet> we've basically done that and we should move on with trying to fulfill our mission statement
[16:49] <mapreri> agree, and I think we are on that route.  We are hardly "bogged" when you can count the total emails over a month with your hands :)
[16:49] <ddstreet> ok so i'll drop this (i'll follow up to the ML too)
[16:49] <mapreri> mh
[16:50] <ddstreet> well i'm trying to insulate everone else on our team from the administrivia of getting this charter finalized/ratified :)
[16:50] <mapreri> can you add (or I'll later) a link to the TB thread instead?
[16:50] <ddstreet> sure let me add it here
[16:50] <ddstreet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2022-March/002620.html
[16:50] <mapreri> (I meant in the running agenda)
[16:51] <ddstreet> and for reference, this is the charter version submitted to the TB
[16:51] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter?action=recall&rev=5
[16:51] <ddstreet> ah right i'll add it there as well
[16:51] <ddstreet> #info https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2022-March/002620.html
[16:51] <mapreri> let's continue?
[16:52] <ddstreet> and also FYI, i did some rewording of the charter but i'll revert that back to the original version (as linked above, rev=5)
[16:52] <ddstreet> yep
[16:52] <ddstreet> ok that's all the ML threads
[16:52] <ddstreet> #topic open bugs
[16:52] <ddstreet> #subtopic update backportpackage and requestbackport scripts to behave according to new backport process
[16:52] <ddstreet> think this will get attention in the future as well
[16:52] <mapreri> that's also in the actions… carried-over
[16:53] <ddstreet> yep, i'll remove from the open bugs list
[16:53] <ddstreet> meta-question, do you think we need a open bugs review section?
[16:53] <ddstreet> maybe not
[16:53] <mapreri> we do, but I don't think we need to manually list all open bugs in the wiki…
[16:53] <mapreri> like, I do have bugs I'd like to discuss/mention during a meeting, but I doubt we need all of them there
[16:54] <ddstreet> sounds good, let's just leave the section then and i won't add specific bugs
[16:54] <mapreri> or one can add in advance the bugs he'd like to discuss, for example
[16:54] <mapreri> but I doubt mass-copying them is useful use of your time :)
[16:54] <ddstreet> yep that sounds good
[16:55] <ddstreet> yeah it isn't, i was thinking that while i did it today :)
[16:55] <ddstreet> any you want to bring up? i think the only one for me is the debhelper i386 bug
[16:55] <mapreri> on that note
[16:55] <mapreri> yep
[16:55] <mapreri> 2 things
[16:56] <mapreri> 1) I just turned down (marked as "incomplete") 2 bugs (primecount and obfs4proxy) that were basically just plain requests for backports, rather than tracking bugs for things already uploaded/in the process of uploads.  also the submitter had new lp accounts, so I guess they are not active contributors either.
[16:57] <mapreri> should we highlight on the wiki more that we don't take those kind of requests?
[16:57] <ddstreet> probably so, though i'm not sure what the best guidance is for people who don't know how to get a sponsor
[16:58] <mapreri> for those, it's "subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors`
[16:58] <mapreri> but that's not the case here, I think those are just power-users or somesuch
[16:58] <mapreri> they didn't provide diffs, test cases, links to ppa, etc.
[16:58] <ddstreet> i think it's a problem for SRUs as well, hence the ubuntu-sponsors backlog https://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[16:58] <mapreri> well, ~ubuntu-sponsors being backlogged is a separate matter
[16:59] <ddstreet> definitely
[16:59] <mapreri> that page is not looking too bad tbh
[16:59] <ddstreet> but the pool of people who can provide sponsorship is basically the same
[16:59] <ddstreet> for srus or bpos
[16:59] <mapreri> a few years ago when I was actively sponsoring things in ubuntu it was routinely much worse
[16:59] <ddstreet> a bit more red than i'd like, but yeah it's definitely smaller than it used to be
[17:00] <ddstreet> i guess the question of 'how to get a sponsor' isn't really something we can answer though
[17:00] <mapreri> but that's not the problem
[17:00] <ddstreet> and i am +1 on highlighting that just opening a bug isn't enough, they need to do the work and get a sponsor
[17:00] <mapreri> it's that those requests were not even from people who likely would even do the work *shrugs*
[17:00] <ddstreet> yep
[17:01] <mapreri> I'll try to re-read our welcoming page, see if I can imagine how to highlight this detail.  but if you have ideas do go ahead :)
[17:01] <ddstreet> do you want to edit the wiki to add that? i'm sure i will be fine with whatever wording you add
[17:01] <ddstreet> sounds good, should i add an action just to track it?
[17:01] <mapreri> pls
[17:01] <ddstreet> you want to take it?
[17:01] <mapreri> sure why not
[17:01] <ddstreet> thanks :)
[17:02] <ddstreet> #action mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor
[17:02] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri review wiki page to see how we can highlight that backport requestors need to do the backport work and find a sponsor
[17:02] <ddstreet> ok was there another thing before the debhelper bug?
[17:02] <mapreri> 2) about memtest86+ and feeipmi.  we should really decide what to do here.  honestly, I'd feel quite bad at rejecting them.  they do provide quite some value over the status quo, even if focal itself would stay buggier.
[17:03] <mapreri> and it's not like rejecting them would convince the maintainer to produce patches
[17:03] <ddstreet> i agree, the new maintainer was pretty clear they weren't going to bother trying to patch the focal version
[17:03] <ddstreet> because of too many changes
[17:03] <mapreri> which is fair
[17:04] <ddstreet> yep i was going to say the same thing
[17:04] <mapreri> both packages were undermaintained/unmaintained before him, so they have a huge amount of changes in-between
[17:04] <ddstreet> i think we both are leaning towards approving the backports, but do you think we should try to have some kind of official policy before doing it?
[17:04] <ddstreet> or we could just decide it's a case-by-case basis
[17:05] <mapreri> it's definitely a case-by-case basis
[17:05] <mapreri> besides
[17:05] <mapreri> we could just be tricked into them if the proposer would have listed a few new features "forgetting" to mention the fixed bugs...
[17:06] <ddstreet> lol that's certainly true
[17:06] <mapreri> so +1 in accepting both of them?
[17:06] <mapreri> since you like playing with the both, do you want to set up a vote? :P
[17:06] <mapreri> bot *
[17:06] <ddstreet> lol sure let's do it :)
[17:07] <ddstreet> #vote accept memtest86+ backport
[17:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: accept memtest86+ backport
[17:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[17:07] <mapreri> +1
[17:07] <meetingology> +1 received from mapreri
[17:07] <ddstreet> +1
[17:07] <meetingology> +1 received from ddstreet
[17:07] <ddstreet> hurray! :)
[17:07] <ddstreet> #endvote
[17:07] <meetingology> Voting ended on: accept memtest86+ backport
[17:07] <meetingology> Votes for: 2, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[17:07] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:07] <mapreri> oh so fancy
[17:08] <mapreri> freeipmi included, I guess?
[17:08] <ddstreet> i'd looked at it even before the backport was opened, it definitely needed updating, i was unable to get it working even in a VM
[17:08] <ddstreet> yep
[17:08] <mapreri> I'll follow up on the bugs myself
[17:08] <ddstreet> #vote accept freeipmi backport
[17:08] <meetingology> Please vote on: accept freeipmi backport
[17:08] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[17:08] <mapreri> +1
[17:08] <meetingology> +1 received from mapreri
[17:09] <ddstreet> +1 i don't have as much previous experience with this, but agree to the backport
[17:09] <meetingology> +1 i don't have as much previous experience with this, but agree to the backport received from ddstreet
[17:09] <ddstreet> #endvote
[17:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: accept freeipmi backport
[17:09] <meetingology> Votes for: 2, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[17:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:10] <ddstreet> well voting is fun :)
[17:10] <mapreri> heh
[17:10] <ddstreet> ok you'll handle approving those?
[17:10] <mapreri> I think you can use #voters in advance, iirc that also automatically closes the vote once everybody's done
[17:10] <mapreri> yep, I'll take them
[17:10] <ddstreet> ah ok cool, i did not know that
[17:10] <ddstreet> #action mapreri handle approval for backports of memtest86+ and freeipmi
[17:10] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri handle approval for backports of memtest86+ and freeipmi
[17:11] <ddstreet> ok want to talk about debhelper for focal-i386?
[17:11] <mapreri> that uh
[17:11] <mapreri> well
[17:11] <ddstreet> for reference
[17:11] <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+bug/1965800
[17:11] <ddstreet> i guess, do we care about i386, is the first question?
[17:12] <mapreri> well, I blame whoever decided it was a good idea to keep the arch half-alive.  (to start :P)
[17:12] <ddstreet> lol indeed
[17:12] <mapreri> I don't think it's a problem to backport debugedit, as it would just use (or we can make it use) focal's debhelper to build, not pulling the non-installable debhelper.
[17:13] <ddstreet> i personally dont care about i386 but i also think since it is 'half-alive' as you said, we shouldn't ignore it
[17:13] <ddstreet> hmm are you sure?
[17:13] <mapreri> what I think might be a problem, is that I'm not sure if just doing it would trigger the i386 build, or whetever it would need an extra entry in the focal/i386-whitelist set
[17:14] <ddstreet> https://launchpad.net/~ddstreet/+archive/ubuntu/backport
[17:14] <mapreri> mh
[17:14] <mapreri> does the bpo archive have the same priority as the main archive in launchpad buildds?
[17:14] <mapreri> that's unexpected
[17:15] <ddstreet> i think the problem is that the apt resolution doesn't do 'fallback' to older version(s) if the 'latest' (i.e. 'current') version isn't installable due to missing deps
[17:15] <mapreri> but that's only if the bpo archive has the same priority, which really shouldn't be
[17:16] <mapreri> since NotAutomatic+ButAutomaticUpgrades afaik makes apt consider that repo with a lower enough priority that it won't pull things from it automatically
[17:16] <mapreri> so I wonder if launchpad is configured specially there
[17:16] <ddstreet> yeah, that i dont know
[17:17] <ddstreet> i guess we could either ask an archive admin in -devel channel, or we could just try backporting debugedit and see if it fails?
[17:17] <mapreri> even then, that's workaroundable by "bootstrapping" it with a relaxed debhelper, then debugedit, then debhelper re-enabling that thing again
[17:18] <mapreri> I think we could try uploading debugedit and see what happens.  I'm mostly afraid of the i386-whitelist myself, than this.
[17:18] <ddstreet> so i guess separate from the bit about how specifically to backport debugedit, what do you think about either backporting it or removing its dep from the backported debhelper?
[17:18] <ddstreet> probably we should just backport it?
[17:19] <ddstreet> in the bug you mentioned you were for option 1 (remove the need for it from backported debhelper)
[17:19] <ddstreet> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debhelper/+bug/1965800/comments/2
[17:19] <mapreri> in generally, I am for option 1.
[17:20] <ddstreet> let's just do that than, it will remove the need for us to worry about how to backport debugedit
[17:20] <mapreri> that case Matthias' mentions is very rare really, only about different packages building the same object in what are basically the same conditions...
[17:20] <mapreri> it's, like.. very rare
[17:20] <mapreri> I think I saw it a few times with a some plugin-like thing
[17:20] <ddstreet> want to do a vote on it? :)
[17:20] <ddstreet> #voters mapreri ddstreet
[17:20] <meetingology> Current voters: ddstreet, mapreri
[17:21] <ddstreet> #vote adjust debhelper focal-backport to remove dep on debugedit
[17:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: adjust debhelper focal-backport to remove dep on debugedit
[17:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[17:21] <ddstreet> (i think it's only needed in the focal-backport right?)
[17:21] <mapreri> yes
[17:21] <ddstreet> +1
[17:21] <meetingology> +1 received from ddstreet
[17:21] <mapreri> +1
[17:21] <meetingology> +1 received from mapreri
[17:22] <mapreri> mh, so it's not closed after all?  guess I misremember
[17:22] <ddstreet> come on meetingology i was promised you would automatically end the vote! ;-)
[17:22] <ddstreet> lol
[17:22] <ddstreet> #endvote
[17:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: adjust debhelper focal-backport to remove dep on debugedit
[17:22] <mapreri> sooorrryyyy :(
[17:22] <meetingology> Votes for: 2, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[17:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:22] <mapreri> alright, I'll revert that change for focal only.
[17:23] <ddstreet> sounds good, and i assume you'll use the latest debhelper for the updated backport, so that will cover lp:#1965758 also?
[17:24] <mapreri> besides, I *think* (but I'm not sure) that debhelper in focal doesn't have that change of changing the build-id anyway.
[17:24] <mapreri> so it's not like we'd be regressing thing "within" focal
[17:24] <mapreri> and yes
[17:24] <ddstreet> ok i'll action it
[17:25] <ddstreet> #action mapreri handle debhelper backport including revert dep on debugedit for focal-backports
[17:25] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri handle debhelper backport including revert dep on debugedit for focal-backports
[17:25] <ddstreet> that's all the bugs, i think, unless you had any others to discuss
[17:25] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[17:25] <ddstreet> nothing from me for AOB
[17:25] <ddstreet> and we're almost at the hour
[17:26] <ddstreet> so good timing i guess :)
[17:26] <ddstreet> anything else from you?
[17:26] <mapreri> no, I'm good
[17:26] <ddstreet> awesome
[17:26] <mapreri> we had what effectively was a non-rushed meeting, which was nice
[17:26] <ddstreet> yep, i think it was good :)
[17:26] <mapreri> see you in 1 month again?
[17:26] <ddstreet> last topic, next meeting
[17:26] <ddstreet> yeah! :)
[17:26] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet schedule next mtg for 1 month
[17:26] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet schedule next mtg for 1 month
[17:27] <ddstreet> great, thanks!
[17:27] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[17:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 17:27:04 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-04-06-16.33.moin.txt
[17:27] <ddstreet> thanks mapreri see you next month! :)
[17:27] <mapreri> o/  thank you too!
[17:29] <mapreri> ddstreet: looking at the generated minutes, I think you could use #info also when you say "done" in the action item reviews.  that should drop a "done" sub-item in the list
[17:30] <ddstreet> ah good point ok! thanks
[17:30] <mapreri> however I also see that https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-04-06-16.33.html doesn't really render a series of #subtopic properly, like it's not going back a level (always in the "previous action items" section)
[17:32] <ddstreet> i might have to play around with it in a fake meeting sometime :)
[17:32] <ddstreet> though, we don't *really* need as much formality as it provides...especially with just 2 of us ;-)
[17:32] <mapreri> we don't, but ain't it fun!? :3
[17:34] <ddstreet> yes! lol
[18:06] <teward> ddstreet: all day training sorry for not emailimg sooner.  3rd day


[00:00] <wxl> is that place by the jeans store still there? is the jeans store still there?
[00:00] <wxl> oops wrong channel jeez that's a real winner
 :)
 @wxl [<wxl> yeah maybe :/], lxqt-zglobalkeys
[00:07] <wxl> @HMollerCl maybe we could fly under the radar with lxqt_globalkeys XD
 @The_LoudSpeaker [<The_LoudSpeaker> also, @tsimonq2 you want me to remove that unnecessary travis …], Please do
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl maybe we could fly under the radar with lxqt_globalkeys XD], Good one!
 @tsimonq2 [Please do], Already did. Check D45. Also, suggest testing methods.
 @HMollerCl [Good one!], Am I the only one who didn't get that joke? -\o/-
 Starting them in reverse order seems better than changing names. But easier hack is a startup script. We only need it to happen once. After that, it creates the local version of config and works thereafter.
 Btw, I had cloned rARTWORK via git and not ssh. … I got it why it didn't give me write permissions earlier. I had to set a vcs password.
 I no longer have to switch to mobile data now to clone from phab.
 Also, any idea how do I supress a warning generated by my prerm file?
 Something about not removing the folder boot/grub/ coz it's not empty.
[05:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd1a965d5de09: Move Version below Usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd1a965d5de09
[05:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL397802151122: Move Usage below version] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL397802151122
[05:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3a3c834c6001: Move version below Screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3a3c834c6001
[05:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL17f68a3582b8: Move Version below usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL17f68a3582b8
[05:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3b822373b097: Move version below Usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3b822373b097
[05:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALbf3021e8d9ae: Move Version below Usage] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALbf3021e8d9ae
 http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ … The logo on this page needs to be updated.
[16:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7807ebbd987d: Fix formatting] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7807ebbd987d
[17:25] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALeb3d414079b2: Reorder up and down arrows in widgets] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALeb3d414079b2
[17:31] <wxl> @THe_LoudSpeaker if you can figure out ANY other solution than http, it would be appreciated. from the docs "Your VCS password must be a different password than your main Phabricator password because VCS passwords are very easy to accidentally disclose. They are often stored in plaintext in world-readable files, observable in ps output, and present in command output and logs. "
[17:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! my vcs password is different from my phab password
[17:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> plus I have 2 factor auth for phab.
[17:32] <wxl> i know, but what i'm saying is they're kind of exposed
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh. if they are exposed then I will use ssh only.
[17:33] <wxl> can you use 22, i.e. the normal ssh?
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup!
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> but phab has 2222
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> @teward's fault
[17:34] <The_LoudSpeaker> teward: why doesn't phab follow standard port?
[17:34] <wxl> @teward001 see "SSHD Port Assignment" here https://secure.phabricator.com/book/phabricator/article/diffusion_hosting/ and let's see if we can't figure out some solution that could use 22. the port swap seems pretty simple. load balancer would be more difficult but would be easy, too. perhaps we could alternately use a firewall to do port forwarding?
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 see "SSHD Port Assignment" here https://secure.phabricator.com/ …], the problem is the host needs to use port 22
[17:34] <wxl> it's not his fault.. it's simon's fault for not looking at alternatives, but it's the standard setup
 wxl no the issue is twofold:
 (1) One IP address
[17:34] <wxl> @teward001 you're telling me something i know. read the doc.
 (2) Host also needs to be SSH reachable
 @wxl Simon explicitly asked to keep the 2222
 this was before Lubuntu Council was formed
[17:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb0c6e5eaf3a9: Reword changing font size] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb0c6e5eaf3a9
[17:35] <wxl> well i'm gonna call b.s. on that because it's entirely unnecessary
 @teward001 [(2) Host also needs to be SSH reachable], for this change your firewall settings na. allow inbound ssh on 22
[17:35] <wxl> there's no reason we HAVE to have the admin sshd be 22
 yup! no worries. It's okay for me.
[17:36] <wxl> and actually we could leave it the way it is and just do forwarding
 I just have to use it while cloning, arc diff works well.
 @wxl [<wxl> there's no reason we HAVE to have the admin sshd be 22], well i quite like dropping right to it when I SSH to it, but what would you propose we use for the admin SSH port then?
 also FYI, the 'port' is already forwarded via LXD
[17:36] <wxl> @teward001 uhhh 2222
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I just have to use it while cloning, arc diff works well.], Thank sophos for that.
[17:36] <wxl> @teward001 or for that matter<PHONE_NUMBER>36178263
 this'll take time though
 and i can't do that while at work
[17:37] <wxl> the number of potential users for using phab versus doing admin is a rather large ratio
[17:37] <wxl> it doesn't have to be NOW
 also FYI
 the moment I start changing stuff
 Phab SSH goes down too
 i'm about to make changes :P
 INCOMING TORPEDOES!
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> I pinged unit193 about the xscreensaver dialogue box logo.
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> sent him link to the task also.
[17:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> he said he will read and reply tomorrow.
[17:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> also, wxl review D45 ploxx
[17:41] <wxl> cool
[17:41] <wxl> i will eventually :)
[17:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> hii lynorian !
[17:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> me too on quassel now!
[17:42] <lynorian> hello sorry should have opened this
 wxl go try things now
[17:47] <The_LoudSpeaker> phab's got ssh port changed to 22?
 because wxl asked it to be yes
 *salts wxl*
[17:49] <wxl> there you go things are fixed now raman
 now
 wxl:
 give me money
 E:MONEYREQUIRED
[17:49]  * wxl hands teward a peso
 *shoots wxl's hands off with a laser rifle*
[17:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc0b2b2b9aefc: Fix title] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc0b2b2b9aefc
[17:52]  * The_LoudSpeaker hands teward a lumen.
[17:53]  * lynorian gives teward 1,000,000 zimbabwe dollars
[17:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> \o/
[17:54] <The_LoudSpeaker> SO GENEROUS
[18:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL682b11ebf1e3: Remove double space after period] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL682b11ebf1e3
 lynorian: I actually have two 10,000,000 Zimbabwe Dollar notes lol
 xD
[18:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL035ad4a9aa4b: Add Size Row] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL035ad4a9aa4b
[18:22] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL3cd7ae2af83a: Add Downloaded row] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL3cd7ae2af83a
 Can someone please update the CI config?
[18:39] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL98941e547a6c: Add remaining time row] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL98941e547a6c
[18:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> teward: ssh cloning works on mobile data but not on sophos
[18:47] <apt-ghetto> If it is not clear, which CI config => https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/browse/master/ci.conf
[18:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALda4d316bae99: Add file column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALda4d316bae99
[18:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL730a1a94ef1a: Add Size column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL730a1a94ef1a
 @tsimonq2 [Can someone please update the CI config?], you just volunteered yes, or wxl has
 i can't :)
 It's literally just a YAML file
 where
[18:55] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL706ff9a3a517: Add progresss column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL706ff9a3a517
 @teward001 [where], https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/
 1 moment
 E:NOPUSHACCESS
[18:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb518c370a2b8: Add Priority column] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb518c370a2b8
 @teward001 [E:NOPUSHACCESS], Propose a diff
 Someone with commit access will merge
[18:59] <lynorian> eww TAML
[18:59] <lynorian> eww YAML
 stop making crap difficult SImon lol
 @teward001 [stop making crap difficult SImon lol], It's a bit Jacky
 *hacky
 Wtf autocorrect
 But that's okay
 lies.
 E:NODOCUMENTATION
 @teward001 [E:NODOCUMENTATION], True
 so write some
 @teward001 [so write some], ENOTIME
 you cannot have time unless you take time so take the time to write it\
 or just fix things yourself :P
[19:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL208f833d34e1: Make new paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL208f833d34e1
[19:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL46434565fb74: Add transmission prop file screenshot] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL46434565fb74
 I started to read the backlog on all that, but E:NOCANBEARSED!
[19:38] <wxl> @apt-ghetto you planning on fixing ci?
 I can plan it for Saturday or Sunday
[19:41] <wxl> it's just a matter of :%s/\:2222//g no?
[19:45] <kc2bez> based on my backlog reading it looks like it wxl
[19:47] <wxl> if that's the case, i could do it
[19:48] <kc2bez> I don't have my keys here at work.
[19:49] <wxl> dude, remote container. telling you, best idea i ever had
[19:49] <kc2bez> I need to I guess.
[19:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIMETADATA932c75dde266: swapped ssh port from 2222 to 22] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA932c75dde266
[19:59] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker could you prioritize that upstream bug report re: runner/globalkeys?
[19:59] <wxl> and hey i just had a thought
[20:00] <wxl> we might want to test renaming runner to come before globalkeys and see what happens before we do the report
[20:00] <wxl> the lxqt_runner.desktop rename WOULD fix it since _ comes after - in terms of ASCII codes
[20:01] <wxl> (that was the joke)
[20:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: which bug you mean?
[20:10] <The_LoudSpeaker> like runner not working with assigned shortcut even after setting a global config in xdg-settings?
[20:10] <wxl> yes
[20:11] <wxl> the other thing to test is that if it behaves right if there's NO definition for runner in the config
[20:11] <wxl> globalkeys i mean
[20:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. booting vm rn.
[20:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> It doesn't work
[20:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh wait. I forgot to remove it from global conf.
[20:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> ignore last 2 sentences
[20:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> eureka! eureka! eureka!
[20:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! removing it from globalkeys worked
[20:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> the shortcut from runner's config appended itself at the end of globalkeys.
[20:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> now what do you want me to do?
[20:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> new diff with modifications to globalkeys.conf ?
[20:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> and a long issue upstream.
[20:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> sounds right?
[20:35] <wxl> yes
[20:35] <wxl> ^^ @The_LoudSpeaker
[20:36] <wxl> it also might be interesting to test the whole order of autostart too just for grins
[20:36] <wxl> including both pieces of info in the bug report
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup!
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> Instructions about testing the order.
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> ?
[20:41] <wxl> basically rename the runner desktop.. just for the sake of being sure, do this: `cd /etc/xdg/autostart; sudo mv lxqt-runner.desktop aaaa-lxqt-runner.desktop`
[20:42] <wxl> try to do that with the globalkeys definition in place, though
[20:42] <wxl> so we might have two separate fixes for the problem, depending
[20:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[20:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Fixed runner's default shortcut.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[20:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. will do.
[20:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> first let me prepare a paste for the meet
[20:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS4b392693a650: Fixed runner's default shortcut.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS4b392693a650
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> !standup
[21:01] <The_LoudSpeaker> o/
 \p
[21:03] <kc2bez> o/
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> who first?
[21:04] <kc2bez> looks like you The_LoudSpeaker
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack. Here it goes:
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Tasks:
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> * lubuntu-grub-theme
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Added lubuntu-grub-theme to rARTWORK
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added lubuntu-grub-theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Low, Open] Theme GRUB: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T30
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Now after it gets accepted, someone tell me how to add it to live.
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> * Keyboard Shortcuts
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Removed runner from globalkeys and added separate config last week. Combined, they make runner work. Along with everything else. Finally!
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[21:04] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Fixed runner's default shortcut.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D59
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> * Dialogue for Xscreensaver
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Created a task for xscreensaver's dialogue box.
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T199
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> * Xscreensaver theme
[21:04] <The_LoudSpeaker> Read wxl's comment. Will try to complete in this week. along with T199
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> Forums:
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> * Answered a couple of questions here and there. Will try to answer more.
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> Mailing lists:
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> E:NOWORKREQUIRED
[21:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> done!
[21:06] <kc2bez> Thanks!
[21:06] <The_LoudSpeaker> lugito didn't die!
[21:07] <kc2bez> Good stuff!
[21:07] <kc2bez> @lynorian you are next I think.
[21:07] <wxl> ok i'm here i'm here
[21:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> any inputs sensei?
[21:08] <wxl> naw; we'll talk more after grub theme is sponsored
[21:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> sure!
[21:09] <wxl> i want to take some time to review that, though
[21:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh! now he died. RIP lugito
[21:09] <kc2bez> RIP
[21:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! take your time.
[21:09] <wxl> oh shoot
[21:09] <lynorian> I did not prepare breath of life today
[21:10] <wxl> @teward001 didn't you systemd lugito? is he going to come back on his own?
[21:10] <kc2bez> lynorian: I've noticed many manual updates as always
[21:11] <lynorian> Who is next?
[21:12] <lynorian> or are we waiting on lugito coming back
[21:12] <kc2bez> I think I am.
[21:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> wierd thing, lugito died approximately 5 mins after his last message Not just after my paste. he might come after 5 it seems, if it's systemded
 @lynorian [<lynorian> or are we waiting on lugito coming back], Not again... Ugh
 I want teward to look at it this time
[21:12] <wxl> ok i'll go get it
[21:12] <wxl> oh
[21:12] <wxl> ok
[21:12] <wxl> so let's carry on then
[21:13] <kc2bez> Okie dokie
[21:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup! sorry to interrupt.
[21:13] <teward> 021174
[21:13] <teward> oops
[21:13] <kc2bez> * Tasks
[21:13] <kc2bez> - https://phab.lubuntu.me/T76
[21:13] <kc2bez> - Have emailed the Wallpaper contest finalists to get their full resolution artwork.
[21:13] <kc2bez> - I am still waiting to hear from some, I will get that prepped to go out ASAP and upload what I have soon.
[21:13] <kc2bez> * Uploads
[21:13] <kc2bez> - Sponsored https://phab.lubuntu.me/D44 for apt-ghetto
[21:13] <kc2bez> * TODO
[21:13] <kc2bez> - https://phab.lubuntu.me/T120 Beta release testing
[21:14] <kc2bez> * ALSO
[21:14] <kc2bez> - Made a minor amendment to wxl 's new wiki page for Cala debugging.
[21:14] <wxl> danke!
[21:14]  * kc2bez tips hat
[21:14] <teward> intercedence for importance: Lugito'll be checked after this wedding I'm going to.  Nothing to report for the standup at the moment other than the Phab git/ssh port is now port 22
[21:14]  * teward is busy starting right now, and goes nonresponsive
[21:14] <kc2bez> That is all I have for this week.
[21:14] <wxl> thx teward
[21:14] <wxl> next
[21:14] <lynorian> understood
[21:15] <lynorian> is me I think?
[21:15] <kc2bez> Sure I didn't mean to but in front lynorian
[21:15] <kc2bez> sorry about that
[21:15] <lynorian> Add new buttons for lxqt-sudo
[21:15] <lynorian> Fix warnings
[21:15] <lynorian> update installer w new language and
[21:15] <lynorian> Work on desktop icons chapter with desktop icons sorting
[21:15] <lynorian> creating new folders or files on desktop
[21:15] <lynorian> Reword summaries on most chapters
[21:15] <lynorian> Add opening url for torrents
[21:15] <lynorian> Sorting torrents in transmission
[21:15] <lynorian> torrent properties in transmission
[21:15] <lynorian> move version below Usage in many sections
[21:15] <lynorian> minor typo fixed
[21:16] <wxl> nice work
[21:17] <wxl> (as always!)
[21:17] <lynorian> and that was the short version to not make a wall of text
[21:17] <wxl> XD
[21:17] <wxl> i guess i'm next?
[21:17] <lynorian> yes
[21:18] <wxl>  * made some comments to finish up @Guephren's Lenny https://phab.lubuntu.me/T75#2344
[21:18] <wxl>  * summarized all the ideas surrounding xscreensaver https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#2343
[21:18] <wxl>  * added DEBSIGN_KEYID to packaging requirements https://phab.lubuntu.me/phriction/diff/13/?l=10&r=11
[21:18] <wxl>  * accepted automirror refactor https://phab.lubuntu.me/D44
[21:18] <wxl>  * sponsored conf file for runner (plus some shortcut fixes) https://phab.lubuntu.me/D43
[21:18] <wxl>  * sponsored a final fix for the runner shortcut! GO RAMAN!!! https://phab.lubuntu.me/D46
[21:18] <wxl>  * after pouring over much time into the cpp manual, created upstream forum post discussing autostarting applications in lxqt-session https://forum.lxqt.org/t/lxqt-session-and-autostarting-applications/892
[21:18] <wxl>  * created Debugging wiki based on what I learned about lxqt-session, plus some other stuff I had off the top of my head https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/debugging/
[21:18] <wxl>  * *** ATTENTION *** had @teward001 change the Phab ssh port to 22 from 2222 so that Raman and others don't get blocked by firewalls, etc. and don't have to resort to relatively insecure VCS passwords over HTTP
[21:18] <wxl>  * changed the CI conf to use port 22 instead of 2222 https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIMETADATA932c75dde266
[21:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> Still I can't get ssh working on sophos! -\o/-
[21:19] <wxl> well sophos sucks so
[21:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> sorry for the inconvinience
[21:19] <wxl> using 2222 was dumb anyways
[21:20] <kc2bez> That ^^ and probably application layer based firewall not port based.
[21:20] <wxl> yeppers
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> lite. I am off to bed now. tomorrow friday
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> bye.
[21:21] <wxl> night thanks for the good work
[21:22] <kc2bez> Cheers!
[21:22] <kc2bez> I think that was everyone that checked in.
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> guiverc: ?
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> he came online in the middle I guess.
[21:24] <guiverc> sorry, nothing to report
[21:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> Lite. There's no compulsion anywhere.
[21:32] <guiverc> fyi:  tsimonq2 I chased up 1709 upstream (T120), the misinterpreted something I said so I clarified & have got no more - they don't know where bug is (except maybe they wonder Qt); menu opening wrong position
[21:32] <guiverc> tsimonq2- can I/[we] chase up t56? (testcases awaiting review) or is that bad manners?
[21:35] <wxl> guiverc: they haven't closed your upstream issue which is a good sign and means they believe you XD
[21:36] <kc2bez> That's always a win in my book XD
[21:40] <wxl> guiverc: also could you summarize what you need with T56?
[21:41] <wxl> guiverc: if it's a simple matter of you having already submitted your changes and someone needs to review, just link me and i'll do it
 So, global keys is fixed?
[21:43] <wxl> yep; the key was killing the definition for runner in globalkeys
[21:43] <guiverc> nothing's been done since sept-1 (if not aug-31); i'll find it & come back wxl
[21:44] <guiverc> wxl https://code.launchpad.net/~guiverc/ubuntu-manual-tests/lubuntu-calamares
[21:44] <wxl> guiverc: would you be so kind as to assign me as a reviewer on that?
[21:45] <guiverc> :)   once I work out how, no probs..  let me try..
[21:46] <wxl> i did it
[21:47] <guiverc> :)   & I discovered tehre are a number of wxl's on launchpad
[21:47] <wxl> bah there's only one that matters XD
[21:48] <guiverc> so very true :)
[21:50] <guiverc> wxl: I'll also have to look, there should be a 1 or two more (non-full disk) done 1-2 days later
[21:50] <wxl> i'll have at it this week or so
 @wxl [<wxl> yep; the key was killing the definition for runner in globalkeys], Good, works OK with update or only new daily?
[21:52] <wxl> @HMollerCl to be fair i don't think we tested with update, so if you want to do that, that would be great
[21:55] <guiverc> wxl:  the others were pasted (sept1) on https://phab.lubuntu.me/T56 only, not pushed upstream; so they can only be seen there (I got stuck on GUI upgrade..)
[21:55] <wxl> you can keep pushing upstream you know
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl to be fair i don't think we tested with update, so if you want …], Still isn't in the repo, I have 19.10.7 and last ist 19.10.8
[22:49] <wxl> yeah probably hasn't made its way yet


[00:31] <PCLine_> Hello everyone.
[00:31] <Unit193> Howdy there.
[00:33] <PCLine_> Hey Unit193
[00:41] <PCLine_> I lost my Ubuntu system :(
[00:41] <Unit193> Oh?
[00:42] <PCLine_> Its not in my DNS Server and I forgot the IP address :(
[00:43] <Unit193> Hah, that's fun indeed.  If you know an open port, nmap time? :P
[00:45] <PCLine_> I wil connect a monitor to the system tomorrow and ifconfig it.  That system is my SNMP Monitoring system running in a VirtualPC within Windows.
[00:54] <paultag> like spiritually?
[00:54] <paultag> who's your VPS host
[00:54] <paultag> check your ssh config
[01:01] <Unit193> Meh, getting hurd to work isn't fun, at least not for me. :P
[01:03] <PCLine_> I hope syslog server is not hard to setup ... Thats my next project I would like to learn.
[01:04] <PCLine_> and my VPS host is my desktop system at work.


[06:15] <Tm_T> so it's that time of the day...
[06:15] <Tm_T> headsup: [Bianca] is spamming
[06:52] <Tm_T> and K-lined
[07:20] <Tm_T> kwtm in PM
[11:52] <popey> 11:51:24 -!- msgme4childporn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[11:52] <knome> err :/
[11:52] <popey> also in -uk, mentioned to them that its inappropriate
[11:54] <popey> changed
[11:55] <Myrtti> oh good grief
[12:03] <elky> oh geez
[12:03] <elky> has it been klined yet?
[12:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/553142/
[12:12] <knome> err, lol, "i thought theres no rules on irc"
[12:12] <Myrtti> it's not a totally unique misconception
[12:14] <elky> To be honest, i'd be reporting the individual to the isp.
[12:20] <popey> feel free
[12:59] <Myrtti> uhoh
[13:03] <Myrtti> [15:00] ~~~Ongacs-Ka<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has  left #ubuntu []
[13:03] <elky> ?
[13:03] <Myrtti> I don't know about you guys, but that rings some major bells in my head
[13:06] <Myrtti> would be funky to get some logs
[13:06] <jpds> Deforestation is not cool.l
[13:06] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[13:07] <Pici> hah
[13:50] <topyli> @mark AnthLee #ubuntu-offtopic warned twice for inappropriate subjects and language. reminded of guidelines
[13:50] <topyli> @login
[13:50] <topyli> @btlogin
[13:50] <topyli> @mark AnthLee #ubuntu-offtopic warned twice for inappropriate subjects and language. reminded of guidelines
[13:51] <topyli> that was smooth!
[14:14] <jussi> Myrtti: if anyone else made a gender joke like that....
[14:14] <Myrtti> does it show that I'm procrastinating studying Qt?
[14:14] <Myrtti> damn.
[14:14] <topyli> maybe we should allow the shaving discussion, it was nicer
[14:19] <Myrtti> jussi: while you're at it, could you please make a nice little chart with all the cursewords and their meanings in different English-speaking cultures so I know in the future how to appreciate their full meaning? I'm fairly good with my English but I can't be omnipotent about all connotations.

[14:25] <Myrtti> then again, it's a known fact that I'm an incomptent op for both #ubuntu and -ot since I don't know Ubuntu in and out and give wrong answers for support questions, and I don't know English language like a native English speaker who's spent a lot of time in all areas of the world where it's spoken natively
[14:25] <Myrtti> oh well.
[14:28] <jussi> Myrtti: now now, wasnt saying anything like that, just reminded you about language - we all do it occaisionally.
[14:29] <IdleOne> I know I do it occasionally
[14:29] <IdleOne> I try to do it once a month so I don't forget that i am human also
[15:30] <rww> Ironically, IdleOne is actually a robot.
[15:30] <rww> good morning to you too, ubottu
[15:32] <IdleOne> Hi! i'm Ubuntu's favorite Idle bot. You can get more info...wait NOPE you can't. :P
[21:54] <Myrtti> ♬♪ In the town where I was born, Lived a man who sailed to sea... ♬♪
[21:57]  * genii-around sips his coffee and wonders about this musical sailor
[22:03]  * rww munches a biscuit and watches text editor war round #65535 in -ot
[22:13] <genii-around> vi versus emacs never gets old... ;)
[22:15] <genii-around> Don't we have !dontzap already?
[22:34] <rww> ubottu: tell ActionParsnip about dontzap
[22:35] <rww> or don't. that's fine too.