[05:15] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:33] <knightwise> msg HazRPG morning !
[05:35] <shauno> lol .. morning knightwise
[06:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:42] <GirlyGirl> morning!
[06:42] <knightwise> mornign AlanBell
[06:42] <knightwise> happy birthday btw AlanBell :)
[06:42] <knightwise> wasnt it your bday this week ?
[06:42] <AlanBell> nope!
[06:42] <knightwise> darn , my bad
[06:43] <AlanBell> hehe
[06:43] <knightwise> i thought i saw somethin on facebook
[06:43] <AlanBell> mid June
[06:43] <AlanBell> Pendulum and czajkowski have recently got less young
[06:43] <GirlyGirl> knightwise: I'm sure you AlanBell would still like a gift though for his immaginary bday
[06:44] <AlanBell> good thinking GirlyGirl
[06:46] <knightwise> GirlyGirl: he should be so lucky !
[07:01] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ now accepting pre-orders for Oneiric CDs
[07:06] <popey> AlanBell: worth updating the artwork on that page?
[07:07] <diplo> Morning all
[07:07] <AlanBell> just about :)
[07:07] <AlanBell> would be surprised if many people noticed the updated artwork, but I will do it. At the moment it just surfaces images from shop.ubuntu.com
[07:08] <popey> ahhh
[07:09] <AlanBell> in fact, I am lazy, I will wait for the store to do the thumbnailing for me
[07:25] <DJones> Morning all
[07:59] <j0nr> hello everyone
[07:59] <j0nr> turning coldafter that little hot spell
[08:00] <j0nr> it is October after all
[08:18] <gord> http://insidescoopsf.sfgate.com/blog/2011/10/04/ubuntu-is-closing-for-the-winter-to-take-a-sabbatical/ oh no!
[08:20] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[08:22]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[08:22]  * DJones offers bigcalm a nit comb
[08:22] <bigcalm> Ta, but I really just need a wash
[08:22] <bigcalm> ;)
[08:23] <DJones> Thats good news, much healthier
[08:30] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:31] <bigcalm> Hi
[08:32] <DJones> Morning czajkowski
[08:32] <czajkowski> can I just say time sheets are a pain in the arse
[08:33] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone!
[08:34] <DJones> Agreed, thankfully after doing them for 23 years in previous jobs, I don't need to do them in this one :)
[08:34] <gord> wait, its friday? wooo
[08:35]  * Laney gets down
[08:38] <DJones> Doesn't Friday just mean its teh start of the overtime weekend catching up on the things people didn't have time to do in the normal week
[08:38] <bigcalm> DJones: you've just described my life :(
[08:39] <DJones> Heh, I was going to say "catching up on the things that people couldn't do because they were too busy playing minecraft on works time"
[08:40] <DJones> Oh wait, thats me :)
[08:40] <bigcalm> :D
[08:40] <DJones> Good job we've got a rubbish computer system that makes me wait for between 30-60 minutes running some reports
[08:41] <bigcalm> Ug
[08:48]  * AlanBell waves danfish in the direction of http://www.ehi.co.uk/events/ehi-live/skunkworks/
[08:48] <kirrus> This is a bit of a silly question.. but does the partition type for swap actually need to be swap (82)? I've always set it so, so never found out!
[08:57] <gordonjcp> kirrus: not really
[08:57] <gordonjcp> kirrus: it makes it easier for things to "guess" what the partition type is meant to be
[08:58] <kirrus> grand, thanks gordonjcp :)
[08:59] <danfish> thanks AlanBell :)
[09:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:37] <HazRPG> knightwise: morning dude! \o I think you forgot the / in front of that msg :P
[09:37] <brobostigon> morning HazRPG :)
[09:37] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Ah, mid june is your birthday... much the same as me then!
[09:38] <HazRPG> AlanBell: its great having a summer birthday isn't it :)
[09:38] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning dude \o
[09:38] <brobostigon> o/
[09:38] <Myrtti> august 13th ♥
[09:39] <Myrtti> although recent events have made a part of my oggcamp birthday raffle prize redundant...
[09:40] <bigcalm> Not the penguin?!
[09:41] <Myrtti> no... I just have to give back my laptop
[09:41] <Myrtti> :-(
[09:41] <bigcalm> :(
[09:42] <Myrtti> the axe finally swung for good
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08]  * czajkowski hugs Myrtti
[10:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Something for the weekend... http://news.techeye.net/mobile/oxford-uni-puts-the-large-hadron-collider-into-android
[10:31] <jpds> TheOpenSourcerer: Or you could give https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VakjZqso8Ik a try.
[10:32] <BigRedS> oooh
[10:38] <czajkowski> popey: nice blog post, clicking from FB open in chrome I get a 404 error as it puts www remove the www and it works. odd
[10:40] <bigcalm> popey: your mod_rewrite rules need correcting in .htaccess :)
[10:41] <popey> ugh
[10:41] <popey> help me fix it :D
[10:42] <DJones> Myrtti: Just just reading backlog, you share the same birthday as me
[10:44] <bigcalm> RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^popey.com$ [NC]
[10:44] <bigcalm> RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.popey.com/$1 [R,L]
[10:44] <bigcalm> Try that
[10:44] <popey> its lighttpd not apache
[10:44] <bigcalm> No idea then :)
[10:45] <bigcalm> Actually, it'd want to be the reverse as well I guess
[10:45]  * bigcalm goes back to giving mobile devices some love
[10:45] <popey> try now?
[10:46] <gord> i'v decided i hate gmails priority inbox, it just collects google+ messages and ignores all my important email
[10:46] <bigcalm> 404
[10:47]  * popey has deleted the fb post
[10:47] <popey> stupid facebook
[10:47] <kirrus> gord: really? Mine ignores all my google+ messages :) Maybe google's algorithm just thinks you put more priority on them
[10:47] <bigcalm> I have g+ all archived to a folder and bypass inbox
[10:48] <gord> i have most of my stuff archived well so i don't really even need priority inbox
[10:49]  * brobostigon doenloads lhsee.
[10:50] <tonytiger> I already voted \o/
[10:50] <tonytiger> I wanted to vote for czajkowski. You put the candidate you want at the bottom of the list, right?
[10:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:52] <popey> :D
[10:53] <popey> 11 is bigger so that must be better
[10:53] <popey> I gave everyone 11
[10:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: so Steph rang me this morning and so you're aware the lighthouse is available 9-5 not 6 it is open to the cinema at 5:30 so it stops being University property at that point
[10:53] <brobostigon> very nice 3d graphics in lhsee,
[10:53] <DJones> Probably need to be nice to czajkowski, she's going to getting stressed ahead of her 6am date tomorrow
[10:57] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:57] <bigcalm> That's fine. An early bunk off is something I can cope with
[10:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: cheers
[11:02] <scoundrel50a> finally got my Oneiric working on my lenovo laptop, in the end, after a week of not getting the gui to load, and updating via Ctrl+Alt+F1 I added a new user and changed to admin in new user and the Unity finally loaded. Cant get Ubuntu one to synch tomboy notes, really annoying
[11:02] <popey> thats a known bug
[11:03] <scoundrel50a> ah, that is good to know, thanks popey, will stop trying now
[11:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah I thought I'd let you know as soon as I did though
[11:03] <bigcalm> Rally the troops and get more people to come along :D
[11:03] <scoundrel50a> its very much like Mac os isnt it, but not quite as much functionality as mac
[11:04] <scoundrel50a> I have a macbook pro, and I was surprised at how much like the os Unity is
[11:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: Will be
[11:05] <popey> scoundrel50a: it is similar
[11:06] <popey> scoundrel50a: in the same way that other releases are similar to windows
[11:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: we got a month of advertising this time rather that 6 days :)
[11:06] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:06] <bigcalm> Though I think the coffee rounds will get expensive ;)
[11:06] <scoundrel50a> popey: Having the mac os, does help with getting used to Unity I think
[11:07] <scoundrel50a> popey: it makes more sense
[11:07] <bigcalm> I should find out how well Unity copes with 3 screens
[11:07] <scoundrel50a> popey: I wasnt getting used to it, until I got the macbook
[11:08] <scoundrel50a> this lenovo laptop is amazing, I recommend getting one to anybody
[11:08] <popey> which model is it?
[11:09] <scoundrel50a> G550-6
[11:09] <scoundrel50a> the cheaper one, but it works well with Unity, and the support is amazing from linux emporium
[11:10] <tonytiger> It looks like a fairly bog standard laptop to me :)
[11:10] <scoundrel50a> plus it works with Ubuntu Classic and Gnome, I found out why I lost the window controls with Gnome it was in the settings
[11:11] <scoundrel50a> but a better graphics card than I have had till now
[11:11] <scoundrel50a> and this had 11.04 and 11.10 preinstalled without windows
[11:11] <Joeb454> scoundrel50a: I don't think unity is that much like the OS X dock - the taskbar in Windows 7 groups windows into 1 icon by default too
[11:12] <scoundrel50a> I didnt think it was like windows 7 at all, must have missed something, but very rarely use windows at all
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> it's very Windows 7y
[11:13] <scoundrel50a> just for updating my phone
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> Some games, TV firmware unpacking, updating my Logitech Harmony
[11:13] <Joeb454> I think it's the way quite a few UI's seem to be going now
[11:14] <scoundrel50a> once you use it more, it does make more sense, I do like the Classic version though, that is even better
[11:15] <Joeb454> I prefer unity, personally. I think that's because one of the features I liked most on OS X is spotlight, but I never really found anything similar for ubuntu...and the windows start menu wasn't the same. Unity manages to do that, and in a nicer way, IMO
[11:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Voting in a new Ubuntu Community Council Begins - http://popey.com/blog/2011/10/07/voting-in-a-new-ubuntu-community-council-begins/
[11:17] <scoundrel50a> is there support for installing ubuntu on macs? I was wondering about doing that sometime, is it complicated?
[11:19] <directhex> depends on the age of the mac
[11:19] <jpds> scoundrel50a: Well, some stuff might not work; the hardware isn't built to run with Ubuntu.
[11:19] <scoundrel50a> ah
[11:20] <jpds> scoundrel50a: I once dealt with one that had no wireless detected by Ubuntu.
[11:20] <scoundrel50a> oh, that isnt good, I have an ethernet connection, but never use it
[11:21] <jpds> Buy a Thinkpad or something.
[11:21] <scoundrel50a> Unity does use the battery up very quickly though
[11:22] <jpds> scoundrel50a: Actually, that's probably more related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[11:23] <Joeb454> scoundrel50a: I managed to get Natty installed on my Macbook (late 2008), not sure I did it right though, as I screwed the boot on it
[11:23] <Joeb454> Apple still have it in for repair now :P
[11:25] <scoundrel50a> oh dear, how long has it been in for repair?
[11:27] <Joeb454> they said 3-5 days, but they've had it for 10 days now
[11:27] <scoundrel50a> I notice that I havent had any bugs appear since logging in today, in 11.10, had a huge update this morning, and the compiz bug stopped showing
[11:27] <scoundrel50a> do they normally take that long?
[11:29] <Joeb454> no, normally they've been really good. I've had to deal with apple customer relations once before, so I might email them, largely because when I called to ask about it yesterday the guy that answered the phone was quite rude
[11:32] <scoundrel50a> that is unusual, I have not had problems with them so far, they have really good.....sorry to hear that
[11:33] <DJones> This might be of interest to anybody who uses their android phone for book reading http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/07/google_books_app_launches_uk/
[11:37] <scoundrel50a> oh, I usually use Kindle, but will have to look out for that
[11:38] <DJones> I use FBReader, but I'll give it a go, review comments don't sound to brilliant for it
[11:41] <scoundrel50a> battery running out, have to log off, connector over other siden of room
[11:41] <scoundrel50a> by for now
[12:16] <gord> davmor2, remind me about the lighthouse thing again closer to the time, its only half an hour away or so on the train :)
[12:19] <davmor2> gord: I thought you were further up north than that
[12:21] <gord> davmor2, crewe, not that far away, but to be honest the rail links here are great, you hop on the fast virgin train and can get anywhere within two hours
[12:22] <davmor2> gord: oh man I thought you were much further north than that :)
[12:26] <czajkowski> I have proof davmor2 really wuvs me deep deep down!!!
[12:27] <davmor2> czajkowski: I haz proof there is alcohol in this dandelion and burdock
[12:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: see the numbers are increasing for the next one already :)
[12:29] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:30] <bigcalm> Announce it to the lists next?
[12:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: of course I feel sorry for czajkowski if me, you and gord are all in the same room
[12:30] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:31] <bigcalm> We'll be too busy taking the piss out of each other to annoy czajkowski ;)
[12:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know she won't feel the love at all that's what I mean
[12:32] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:32] <czajkowski> bigcalm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski#Testimonials_about_my_work_in_the_Ubuntu_Community 1st comment davmor2
[12:32] <czajkowski> see he wuvs me!
[12:33] <bigcalm> czajkowski: sounds like a different davmor2 to me ;)
[12:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: I repeat <davmor2> czajkowski: I haz proof there is alcohol in this dandelion and burdock
[12:34] <popey> moooooooooooooooooooo
[12:34] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:34] <Laney> popey: you didn't say that emmet is standing again
[12:34] <Laney> ps GREETINGS!
[12:34] <popey> oops
[12:35] <popey> yes i did
[12:35] <jussi> How was the pub lunch?
[12:35] <popey>
Emmet Hikory

[12:35] <jussi> popey: ^^^
[12:35] <Laney> no like this
[12:35] <Laney> "Daniel and Lyz are standing again"
[12:35] <popey> well
[12:35] <popey> its tricky
[12:35] <popey> we haven't actually spoken to him
[12:35] <popey> so thought best to add him anyway
[12:35] <Laney> hah
[12:35] <Laney> been there
[12:36] <popey> jussi: crabbies and a fish finger sandwich
[12:36] <jussi> popey: nom?
[12:36] <popey> very
[12:38] <bigcalm> Hey Hey W Are Not the Monkees
[12:38] <bigcalm> What a strange 80s rap track
[12:38] <bigcalm> s/W/We
[12:44]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[12:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: strange 80's rap would be morris major and the minors with the stutter rap
[12:51] <Myrtti> woo, at my apartment ♥
[12:59] <AlanBell> Myrtti: what country are you calling home right now?
[13:30] <popey> stupid dput not working behind a stupid proxy
[13:30] <popey> bah!
[13:43] <Myrtti> AlanBell: whatever where majority of my socks reside
[13:44] <czajkowski> popey: thanks for doing the blog post, we're all using it to share and link to
[13:44] <czajkowski> I've yet to wear socks yet
[13:44] <czajkowski> only then will I admit it's cold
[13:46] <popey> hehe
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great PR: http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-powers-hp-public-cloud/
[13:47] <czajkowski> hate wearing socs
[13:47] <czajkowski> oh also turns out I've a sprained ankle but didnt notice as taking enough meds for my back not to notice
[13:47] <czajkowski> go me
[13:47] <czajkowski> I am full of fail this week
[14:24] <czajkowski>  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-15213346
[14:26] <bigcalm> So sad
[14:27] <popey> i got home from work yesterday to find some chestnuts on my desk :D
[14:27] <popey> they have huge chestnut trees at the kids school
[14:29] <popey> hmm, the only mp3 on my laptop is nyancat.mp3
[14:30] <Joeb454> popey: (and anybody else on G+) have you noticed that you'll get the notification either via the phone app or web about 3 hours before the email? Or is that just me?
[14:30] <popey> yes
[14:30] <bigcalm> It appears to be the case, yes
[14:43] <Joeb454> I don't know why, but that bugs me. You'd think they'd be able to email you sooner than that
[14:45] <kirrus> are the emails batched, contain multiple notifications for the last 3 hours?
[14:45] <kirrus> makes sense if so, to not flood you with emails
[14:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: I've told akgraner you're being nice to me publicly she just laughed
[14:49]  * czajkowski goes down on one knee to davmor2 I think you're just great
[14:50] <davmor2> czajkowski: Get up you creep ;)
[14:50] <popey> i see the candidates are being especially nice to everyone
[14:52] <Joeb454> kirrus: now you mention it, I think they might be
[14:52] <Joeb454> popey: think it'll last long?
[14:53] <davmor2> popey: I wouldn't mind but I only said she was gobby
[15:08] <rascal999> anyone on BT?
[15:08] <Seeker`> for broadband?
[15:09] <rascal999> yeah
[15:09] <Seeker`> yup
[15:10] <rascal999> Seeker`: can you access http://www.newzbin.com ?
[15:10] <rascal999> BT were ordered to block it, but i've read no further news
[15:11] <Seeker`> err, not on a BT connection at present
[15:11] <rascal999> dang
[15:18] <diplo> rascal999, in news today
[15:18] <diplo> They are appealing it
[15:18] <diplo> So doubt it will be banned yet
[15:30] <czajkowski> popey: I'm alaways nice to popey on the 1st friday of the month
[15:30] <czajkowski> after that it's game on
[15:30] <czajkowski> and now I've no Moodoo I've a gord
[15:30] <czajkowski> but I'm gentle with gorl
[15:30] <czajkowski> *gord
[15:30] <gord> gorl for short
[15:31] <popey> WHAT!?
[15:31] <popey> there's a _pattern_ to this madness!?
[15:32] <gord> yeah, but observing it changes it
[15:32]  * popey blinks
[15:32]  * popey likes blinking
[15:32] <bigcalm> Weeping Angels like popey
[15:33] <czajkowski> it'll be back to normal come tomorrow
[15:33] <czajkowski> and I shall be back to poking kicking and throttling davmor2
[15:33] <czajkowski> then teasing gord about nice foods I have till moodoo comes back
[15:33] <czajkowski> simples
[15:33] <bigcalm> *squeek*
[15:38] <czajkowski> stupid meerkat add
[15:38] <bigcalm> Oh dear. My android tablet is telling a website that it's an iPad
[15:38]  * bigcalm sighs
[15:45] <gord> maybe it is an ipad and you are just confused?
[15:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: in that case, I may just tie your hair to your chair in preparation for your departure :)
[15:47] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1283/detail/ dont forget to register if you're coming along
[16:31] <stuphi> Anybody here use a Twinhan USB DVB tuner card with 11.10?
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> let me check the brand on mine
[16:31] <stuphi> This happens with mine:- http://paste.ubuntu.com/704076/
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> [532177.990328] dvb-usb: WideView WT-220U PenType Receiver (Typhoon/Freecom) successfully initialized and connected.
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: Ooh, shiny crash
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: you'll probably want to report a bug for that
[16:32] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Any suggestion what package to report against?
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: the kernel, let me find a HOWTO
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> stuphi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[16:33] <stuphi> MartijnVdS: Thanks for that.
[16:59] <davmor2> gord: you going to the release party?
[17:00] <gord> davmor2, nope, too far for me
[17:00] <davmor2> I still have a horrible feeling that we'll be working on a release then, but I'm still hoping
[17:19] <gord> davmor2, work on release *at* the party
[17:20] <davmor2> gord: it's at the cask wifi never works at the cask
[17:21] <gord> davmor2, mobile internet?
[17:21] <davmor2> there ahahahahahahahahahaha
[17:21] <gord> unless i'm out of the country, i don't even bother using wifi out and about these days
[17:57] <brobostigon> terry gilliam, on the one show, :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> waterponies \o/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15215335
[18:16] <zleap> brobostigon, no idea who he is
[18:17] <brobostigon> zleap: director, and member and animator for monty python.
[18:17] <zleap> ah
[18:28] <popey> Evening all!
[18:28] <brobostigon> evening popey
[18:28] <zleap> evening
[18:28] <zleap> not long to go
[18:36] <DJones> popey: Are you now a retired council member now?
[18:37]  * popey puts his feet up
[18:37] <popey> yeah
[18:37] <popey> (no)
[18:37] <popey> staying on till newbs are voted in
[18:37] <DJones> heh
[18:39] <DJones> I would have thought the vote would be before your term ended so they'd take over as one term ended
[18:41] <AlanBell> DJones: this is still the dreamy oneiric cycle, administrative processes will be precise next time
[18:49] <popey> Impressed that we'll have an installfest three days after release
[18:49] <popey> thats brilliant work
[19:03] <zleap> popey, i want to do stuff here in South Devon but no one seems to be ever avialbel to help when i mention it on the list
[19:03] <zleap> as in dclug list
[19:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: Boo!!!
[19:45] <pepito> hello all!  I am having some major issues and could really use some help from people who know what the heck they
[19:45] <pepito> are doing
[19:47] <pepito> I bought my laptop from an aquaintance (i wont say friend) who had a friend of hers wipe the hard drive and install his windows vista ultimate on it... problem is I didnt know this and the thirty day registration window ran out
[19:48] <pepito> and when I tried to get the product key from him and enter it, it says the product key has already been used.... anyway long story short, I have decided to go with Ubuntu and would like to install it on my computer
[19:49] <pepito> the problem is that I am accessing the internet through the windows vista "limited access" feature which means it allows me to get on the internet (although it kicks me off every thirty minutes or so)
[19:49] <pepito> and I downloaded ubuntu to my hard drive, but I have noooooo idea how to install it and get an operating system up and running
[19:50] <pepito> I am severely clueless when it comes to IT stuff, and I am really really hoping someone here has a clue how I can install ubuntu from my harddrive
[19:51] <pepito> I am not able to access my USB drive or my CD burner in order to install Ubuntu the way it is explained on the website
[19:51] <pepito> Can anyone give me any good advice?
[19:55] <pepito> anybody there?
[19:57] <Pernig> o/ pepito
[19:57] <pepito> hi pernig
[19:57] <Pernig> howcome you can't access a cd burner?
[19:58] <pepito> because all that windows vista will allow me to do is access the internet
[19:58] <Pernig> hmmm
[19:58] <Pernig> and USB drives will not show up?
[19:59] <pepito> there si a black screen with a small notice in the corner saying that the version of windows has not been confirmed as genuine
[19:59] <pepito> I can't see or click on ANYthing
[19:59] <pepito> I have the download window open...
[19:59] <Pernig> oh dear
[19:59] <Pernig> right
[19:59] <pepito> since I just finished downloading ubuntu
[20:00] <Pernig> when you turn the computer on
[20:00] <Pernig> wait until the boot screen goes off
[20:00] <pepito> and I clicked on the downloaded file to try to open it, but it just says that there is no program to open this .iso file
[20:00] <Pernig> then tap F8 a few times
[20:00] <pepito> okay .....
[20:00] <Pernig> you will get a dialogue with things like "last known good configuration, repair this computer and safe mode"
[20:00] <Pernig> what you want is safe mode
[20:00] <pepito> okay... taking notes...
[20:01] <Pernig> you _should_ be able to access CDs and USB devices from there
[20:01] <pepito> okay,.. that is good to know.... the question I still have is..
[20:01] <Pernig> fire away
[20:02] <pepito> how do I get the file from my download file where it is located now into a USB drive?
[20:02] <pepito> will I be able to access the download from this safe mode?
[20:02] <Pernig> you will be able to access the download
[20:02] <Pernig> but you probably won't be able to initiate new downloads
[20:02] <Pernig> so download the things you need now
[20:02] <Pernig> i would recommend a tool called unetbootin
[20:03] <pepito> okay,  unetbootin
[20:03] <Pernig> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[20:03] <pepito> is it pretty intuitive to use?
[20:03] <Pernig> it's simple enough
[20:03] <Pernig> that screenshot that you see on the unetbootin homepage
[20:03] <Pernig> you choose the radio button marked 'diskimage
[20:03] <Pernig> '
[20:03] <Pernig> and press the three dots
[20:04] <Pernig> and choose your Ubuntu iso that you have already downloaded
[20:04] <pepito> furiously scribbling notes....
[20:04] <Pernig> then for your drive, choose the USB drive you have plugged in (format this before you run unetbootin)
[20:05] <pepito> okay that triggers question
[20:06] <pepito> formating the USB drive involves...? (sorry I am really IT clueless)
[20:06] <Pernig> go to the start button in the bottom left
[20:06] <Pernig> click that
[20:07] <Pernig> then click computer
[20:07] <Pernig> your drive will be in the section for 'removeable devices'
[20:07] <pepito> will the start button be there in the "safe mode"?
[20:07] <Pernig> or something like that
[20:07] <Pernig> yep
[20:07] <pepito> ok
[20:07] <Pernig> then right click on the drive you want to format
[20:07] <Pernig> it brings up a menu
[20:07] <Pernig> and format is one of the options
[20:07] <Pernig> there are a few options there but again quite straightforward
[20:08] <Pernig> i usually tick 'quick format' or it takes quite a while
[20:09] <pepito> okay I think I got it... when I format the USB drive I assume whatever is on it will be deleted?
[20:09] <Pernig> yeah
[20:09] <Pernig> back up your things first if possible
[20:09] <Pernig> this will also be the case when you install Ubuntu on your computer's internal hard drive
[20:09] <pepito> okay
[20:09] <pepito> I really appreciate this by the way
[20:10] <pepito> I mean I REALLY appreciate it
[20:10] <Pernig> no prob
[20:10] <pepito> can I pick your brain for just a few seconds longer?
[20:10] <Pernig> i think we were all where you are at one stage
[20:10] <Pernig> of course
[20:11] <pepito> I made the decision to do Ubuntu partly because of the ridiculous cost of windows 7 and partly because I find Microsoft's methods.... diabolical to put it nicely.... but mostly because I believe in the concept of open source
[20:12] <pepito> I have been reading up on alternative economies, Sacred Economics and etc..... anyway my point is I have a strong desire to work with Ubuntu
[20:12] <pepito> and had already started down this path with OPen office...
[20:12] <pepito> the question comes now...
[20:12] <Pernig> ok
[20:13] <pepito> will Ubuntu be a functional system?   I mean, open office is great in many ways, but when it comes to interfacing with word users, I find that little details like formatting are slightly different... this
[20:14] <Pernig> of course it will be different
[20:14] <Pernig> it will feel a little different
[20:14] <pepito> sort of sucks when I am sending a resume to a potential employer, for example, and formatting needs to be stable
[20:14] <Pernig> the inner workings are very different
[20:14] <Pernig> but i have found Ubuntu to be very stable
[20:14] <pepito> will it be as functional?
[20:14] <Pernig> i would say so
[20:14] <Pernig> if not more functional
[20:14] <Pernig> the difference between an OS and a package like openoffice
[20:15] <Pernig> your operating is the only thing that will access your PC
[20:15] <Pernig> once you have it running right, it will stay running right
[20:15] <Pernig> no one else is going to look at it from somewhere else and cause an incompatibility
[20:15] <Pernig> i know what you mean about the openoffice documents etc
[20:16] <Pernig> Ubuntu has a lot of resources being spent on bugfixing, compatibility etc
[20:17] <pepito> yeah that makes sense.   Honestly just knowing that there is an awesome group of people like this is hugely reassuring.
[20:17] <Pernig> have you chosen LTS?
[20:17] <pepito> lol  now you really get to see my IT ignorance.   what is LTS?
[20:17] <Pernig> sorry
[20:17] <Pernig> the long term support release of Ubuntu
[20:17] <pepito> I believe so.   I think it said something about three year or something like that?
[20:18] <pepito> I didn't know exactly what that meant but it sounded good
[20:18] <Pernig> 10.04
[20:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Feedback Welcome - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/07/feedback-welcome/
[20:19] <Pernig> it's ironic that now you have chosen a 'free' OS, you may well find you get better tech support!
[20:19] <pepito> no it looks like I downloaded 11 04
[20:19] <Pernig> 11.04 is pretty good
[20:19] <Pernig> how old is your computer out of interest?
[20:20] <jacobw> LTS releases are supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server
[20:21] <pepito_> sorry
[20:21] <jacobw> wb pepito_
[20:21] <pepito_> vista kicked me out mid chat
[20:21] <Pernig> did you get kicked off? :P
[20:21] <pepito_> in order to log me off and remind me of the almighty power of MS
[20:22] <pepito_> you mentioned the irony of better tech support and I fell off my chair laughing at the truth of it
[20:22] <jacobw> it is true
[20:22] <Pernig> we're not a bad bunch
[20:22] <jacobw> anyway, you want to intall Ubuntu on your laptop?
[20:23] <pepito_> I'd say you're aaaight so far.   yeah I am going to go through and try to read my scribbled handwriting, follow the process that Pernig laid out, and then I will be back in to let y'all know how it went
[20:23] <jacobw> assuming the laptop has function USB ports you should be able to make a bootable USB drive to install from
[20:23] <pepito_> no idea how long it will take, so if you're not here when I get back.... thanks again.
[20:24] <Pernig> no prob
[20:24] <jacobw> i haven't read all the exchanges just the original question
[20:24] <Pernig> let us know how you get on
[20:24] <Pernig> jacobw: i gave pepito a link to unetbootin homepage and showed how to use
[20:25] <jacobw> excellent :)
[20:25] <pepito_> will do... I need to download that first of all I think
[20:25] <pepito_> oh snap
[20:25] <Pernig> it's only a few MB
[20:25] <pepito_> can you give me that link again?
[20:25] <jacobw> install from usb is much faster than CD
[20:25] <Pernig> sure
[20:25] <jacobw> !unetbootin
[20:25] <Pernig> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[20:25] <Pernig> nope
[20:25] <Pernig> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[20:25] <Pernig> wrong glasses :P
[20:25] <pepito_> yeah that one
[20:26] <pepito_> okay it gives me options to download for windows, linux or mac
[20:26] <pepito_> lol
[20:26] <pepito_> I assume the windows one?
[20:26] <Pernig> yeah
[20:26] <pepito_> since I will be using it before I delete windows for ever and ever
[20:26] <pepito_> okay
[20:27] <Pernig> once you have Ubuntu on there is a convenient tool built in for making USB installation disks
[20:28] <pepito_> okay it is downlloaded.... here goes nothing.
[20:28] <Pernig> is the USB device showing up now?
[20:28] <Pernig> too late haha
[20:29] <Pernig> ooo new kernel and new version of KDE
[20:29] <Pernig> shame about the download size!
[20:29]  * jacobw is a lazy GNOME user
[20:30] <Pernig> to be fair, my main desktop activity is almost an _exact_ copy of the unity interface
[20:33] <jacobw> at least you'll have a shutdown button :P
[20:33] <Pernig> haha
[20:51] <GirlyGirl> bye
[21:07] <Myrtti> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGFGGGGHGHGHGHGHGHG
[21:07] <Myrtti> The Ryanair.com booking system is currently unavailable due to essential system maintenance.
[21:07] <Myrtti> We apologise for the inconvenience caused by this temporary system outage
[21:07] <Myrtti> FAIL
[21:07] <Pernig> oh dear
[21:08] <Pernig> a friend had problems with that
[21:08] <Pernig> the online checking thing
[21:08] <Pernig> checking in*
[21:09] <gord> with the way ryanair is, i'd be surprised if its up for more than a few minutes a day
[21:10] <Andres-kain> thinking of going anywhere nice?
[21:11] <Myrtti> second time a charm
[21:11] <Myrtti> yeah, UK
[21:11] <Myrtti> it's a loverly place I hear
[21:11] <stuphi> Anybody know what happened to avidemux in 11.10? It's gone! :-(
[21:12] <Pernig> stuphi: maybe there is not a package built for 11.10 yet
[21:12] <pepito> Well guess who is a fresh convert to ubuntu???  Me is, that's who!
[21:12] <Pernig> that was quick!
[21:13] <stuphi> Pernig: It's getting a bit late, aint it?
[21:13] <pepito> I feel like I am seeing the world in color for the first time!!!!
[21:13] <pepito> yes it was quick, and painless,  thanks to some awesome help
[21:14] <Andres-kain> i knew a grasshopper named pepito...
[21:14] <pepito> microsoft can go play under a bus.   This is awesome stuff
[21:14] <Andres-kain> uk is awsome. mysociety is awesome.
[21:14] <pepito> I was once a grasshopper til I learned ubuntu kung fu
[21:15] <Andres-kain> did you completely remove windows or dualbooting?
[21:16] <pepito> I completely removed it.   I saw no point in keeping it around when I would have to buy windows 7 in order to get back in and use it again
[21:17] <pepito> I do have a question already though...
[21:17] <Pernig> it's in cases like yours when you realise the value of the freedom of software
[21:17] <Pernig> a lot of people can't get their head around that part
[21:18] <Pernig> pepito: what's your question?
[21:18] <pepito> In the set up I told it to set the keyboard for US settings, naively thinking I was being smart.... I live in Germanz, laptop is German kezboard, and I am unfortunatelz alreadz adapted to the German kezboard as zou can see
[21:18] <Pernig> haha
[21:19] <Pernig> i'm not sure i can help you with that one
[21:19] <pepito> how can I go back and tell it to have a german kezboard setting, while maintaining english as the language
[21:19] <Pernig> but i'm sure someone in here can
[21:19] <Pernig> you are using 11.04 right?
[21:20] <pepito> lol well anyway it is a small price to pay for such a feeling of freedom.   yes it is 11.04
[21:21] <Myrtti> I'd be surprised if there isn't a way in System - Preferences to change the keyboard layout
[21:21] <Pernig> i will take a look for you, just need to recompile my virtualbox modules
[21:21] <Myrtti> well, that's atleast it would go in Classic Gnome
[21:21] <Pernig> pepito: is there a bar with icons that goes all the way down the left hand side of the screen?
[21:22] <pepito> yes
[21:23] <Pernig> http://www.mygeekopinions.com/2011/05/how-to-change-keyboard-layout-in-ubuntu.html
[21:23] <Pernig> ok
[21:23] <pepito> lol
[21:24] <Pernig> if you just press the icon in the top left
[21:24] <Pernig> type control center in there
[21:24] <Pernig> the icon should come up
[21:24] <Pernig> it should only change the layout, not the language
[21:24] <pepito> you know, I can build furniture and hang a door like nobodys business...  I say that to comfort myself as I sit in awe of you guys' prowess in this IT geek stuff
[21:25] <popey> thats handy, I hate hanging doors
[21:25] <Pernig> tbh you have the aptitude and the right attitude to be able to do it
[21:26] <Andres-kain> pepito i swap spanish and english. press the meta key (what was your windows key) and type keyboard
[21:27] <Andres-kain> from there there are two optios, sadly not at pc now so cant help any further
[21:27] <pepito> my jaw seriously dropped at the meta key function
[21:27] <pepito> that is BITCHIN
[21:27] <Pernig> it's very handy
[21:27] <Andres-kain> but you can add another configuration
[21:28] <Pernig> if you hold it down you can use keys to go to your favourite programs on the left
[21:28] <pepito> and that was incredibly easy.  I added german, so now I should be able to switch back and forth I assume, right_
[21:28] <Andres-kain> and have a hotkey shortcut or an icon on top right to switch. or both
[21:28] <pepito> whoa whoa
[21:28] <stuphi> Pants! Avidemux has been removed from 11.10 :-( bug 831096
[21:29] <pepito> hotkeys is techie jargon there
[21:29] <Andres-kain> sorry.
[21:30] <pepito> lol no I should be apologizing....  I am just to busy gazing at this awesomeness that is my new OS
[21:31] <Andres-kain> hotkey for me is using key combinations to do stuff. like alt+ctl+right arrow (or left)
[21:31] <Andres-kain> yeah, i never got over the awsomness. it doent go away.
[21:32] <Andres-kain> hits me very hard everytime i have to get back to work with windows.
[21:33] <Pernig> Andres-kain: same
[21:33] <Andres-kain> by the way celebrateubuntu videos in youtube channel look very clean and well made.
[21:33] <pepito> I just discovered that I can set up timed breaks, to keep me from getting lost and spending hours on this thing, and it will even lock the screen *but onlz if I want* to enforce it
[21:33] <Pernig> for instance when i want to checksum a download on a friend's computer or do something that i can do very quickly on the command line
[21:34] <pepito> so hotkeys, okay I am getting distracted
[21:34] <pepito> I can program hotkeys for certain functions, sort of like speed dial phone numbers in my cell, is that the concept?
[21:35] <Pernig> yes
[21:36] <Andres-kain> yes
[21:36] <Andres-kain> press  meta and type compose (i recall)
[21:36] <Andres-kain> it will show you what you have.
[21:37] <Andres-kain> i would leave defaults
[21:37] <pepito> compose shows no results
[21:37] <Andres-kain> also hold meta a little longer and your icons on the left will show numbers
[21:38] <Andres-kain> dang, sorry about that must be another word
[21:38] <pepito> you mean when I am clicking on it?   tried it, not seeing anything...
[21:39] <Andres-kain> sorry again, working from memory and in bed here.
[21:39] <pepito> lol no worries
[21:39] <Andres-kain> so simple thing... hold meta (the windows key) and number 1
[21:40] <Andres-kain> that should open your firfox or whatever you have on the top of the list to the left
[21:41] <Andres-kain> try meta+2,3,4....
[21:42] <Andres-kain> is that working for you?
[21:42] <Andres-kain> not very important really i like clicking (not much of a power user)
[21:43] <pepito> sorry I left the computer for a second
[21:43] <pepito> okay meta key and number one
[21:44] <pepito> wait so I click it and press 1?
[21:44] <Pernig> just hold down the meta key itself
[21:44] <Pernig> and don't let go until you have pressed a number
[21:44] <pepito> oh snap
[21:45] <pepito> now I get it
[21:45] <Andres-kain> press keyboard button with the windows drawing on it.
[21:45] <Andres-kain> cool.
[21:45] <pepito> the meta key the meta key
[21:45] <Pernig> aye
[21:45] <pepito> now I am up to speed
[21:45] <Andres-kain> great!
[21:45] <pepito> that is friggin awesome
[21:46] <Andres-kain> do you know about multiple desktops?
[21:46] <pepito> no.  should I be sitting down?
[21:46] <Andres-kain> with ubuntu you get 4 for the price of one.
[21:47] <Andres-kain> and the first one is free.
[21:47] <Joeb454> Andres-kain: you know you can increase that number, right? I have 9
[21:47] <pepito> lol seriously I can't contain my exuberance here.    There is a beauty in this that money cannot buy
[21:47] <pepito> so what is the benefit of multiple desktops?  how would that work?
[21:48] <Andres-kain> yep you can have as many desktops with different apps running on them as you like. by default 4
[21:48] <Andres-kain> i use only 2.
[21:49] <pepito> okay, but why not just have the various apps open on one desktop?   I can run multiple apps on one desktop like I did in windows before, right?
[21:49] <Andres-kain> yes
[21:49] <Andres-kain> sorry typing on mobile phne.. not too quick
[21:49] <pepito> I am in no hurry
[21:49] <pepito> take your time
[21:50] <pepito> I have tons of questions and lots of excitement
[21:50] <Andres-kain> advantage is you cn have one desktop for worlk another for play
[21:50] <Andres-kain> another for your music...
[21:51] <Andres-kain> i didn't make sense of it until i statrs using it
[21:51] <pepito> okay it sounds like it is worth learning about
[21:52] <pepito> sorry guys I am going to be on here picking your brains until I either fall asleep exhausted and happy or somebody kicks me out
[21:52] <Joeb454> pepito: as an example, I currently have 5 workspaces in use - 1 for web, 1 for IRC, 1 for IM, 1 for emails and 1 for music
[21:52] <Andres-kain> so on the left-handed colum of icons go to the bottom ther should be some grey dull looking ones
[21:52] <Joeb454> it keeps them nice and self contained
[21:52] <Pernig> no prob pepito
[21:52] <pepito> every time a turn around something else piques my curiousity
[21:52] <Pernig> i'm not going to bed for another hour yet
[21:53] <Andres-kain> click on the grey ones.
[21:53] <pepito> okay andres-kain I am seeing it
[21:53] <pepito> HOLY BATSHIZ
[21:53] <Andres-kain> yep.
[21:53] <pepito> whoa whoa whoa
[21:53] <Andres-kain> found it
[21:54] <pepito> YES
[21:54] <Andres-kain> i think holding ctl+alt+ arrowkeys cycles through them.
[21:55] <pepito> okay that is the coolest thing since Vanilla Ice
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> *dun dun dun dundundun dun*
[21:55] <pepito> lol
[21:55] <Andres-kain> you can grag windows between the desktops (called workspace)
[21:55] <pepito> grag?
[21:55] <Andres-kain> drag*
[21:55] <pepito> drag?
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> drag
[21:55] <pepito> ok
[21:55] <Andres-kain> yes
[21:56] <Andres-kain> :)
[21:56] <pepito> no kidding.  wow, okay.  when I shut off the computer it all goes back to square one though, right?
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Arrow = move current window along to new workspace
[21:57] <Andres-kain> you on live usb?
[21:57] <Andres-kain> live cd?
[21:57] <pepito> or can I start it up and already have all four set up with specific intended uses
[21:58] <pepito> if you are asking what I think you're asking, I installed it on my harddrive.   I am a committed user
[21:58] <Andres-kain> oh, i get it. you probably can but i do not know how.
[21:58] <pepito> by square one I mean... okay yeah we on the same page
[21:58] <Andres-kain> well done.
[21:58] <pepito> I am going to be shouting about this all over FB
[21:59] <Andres-kain> there is something called start up manager. but i would get to that yer.
[21:59] <pepito> I think I might even go graffitti it on a Microsoft billboard somewhere
[21:59] <pepito> what is this ubuntu one?
[22:00] <Andres-kain> tried that. just gets you into trouble and kills the nice linux brand.
[22:00] <Andres-kain> your cloud (ubuntu one)
[22:00] <Andres-kain> and music streamer to your phone
[22:00] <pepito> hmmm sounds dreary
[22:00] <Andres-kain> and browser sync
[22:01] <pepito> is it more for smartphone users?
[22:01] <Andres-kain> and ...
[22:01] <Andres-kain> not necesarily
[22:02] <pepito> so you wouldnt reccommend the ubuntu one?
[22:02] <Andres-kain> you use fb right? say you want to share a pdf document
[22:02] <pepito> okay...
[22:02] <Andres-kain> i really do recomend it.
[22:02] <Andres-kain> the pdf doc is in your hdd but not in internet.
[22:03] <pepito> oh oh  you were responding to me graffiti comment.  sorry, sometimes hard to follow the flow of conversation
[22:03] <pepito> okay I follow you
[22:04] <Andres-kain> you put file in ubuntu one folder then right click and choose share via url. copy that link
[22:05] <Andres-kain> to fb. and all your fb contacts can download it.
[22:05] <Andres-kain> did i explain myself?
[22:06] <pepito> aha okay yes that makes sense even to a slow feller like myself
[22:06] <Andres-kain> ok. do you know about software centre?
[22:07] <pepito> no.  am I going to have another endorphin rush? :)
[22:08] <Andres-kain> more imporantly: do you remember your password? i forgot mine the first time.
[22:08] <pepito> I am also wondering about "empathy messaging" and also questions about email syncing....
[22:08] <pepito> yes password is good
[22:08] <Andres-kain> software centre is one of the icons to the left that looks like a shopping bag
[22:09] <Andres-kain> filled with stuff.
[22:09] <pepito> i see it
[22:09] <pepito> it looks like christmas come early
[22:09] <pepito> hows it work?
[22:10] <Andres-kain> ok. if you want to install something go there first.
[22:10] <Andres-kain> it is safe, mainained and easier to use than the windows installers.
[22:11] <pepito> install something meaning, downloading anything?
[22:11] <Andres-kain> just as easily you can uninstall in the same way.
[22:11] <pepito> oh wait okay I see
[22:12] <pepito> yes the windows stuff was kind of a pain in the ass
[22:12] <Pernig> it takes care of the downloading for you
[22:13] <Andres-kain> yes, and 99% is free of cost.
[22:13] <Andres-kain> ok you mentioned epifany?
[22:13] <pepito> okay
[22:13] <Andres-kain> how are you chatting now? different computer?
[22:13] <pepito> I am browsing through it right now.     I mentioned endorphin rush, close enough to the same thing
[22:13] <Andres-kain> web?
[22:14] <pepito> web
[22:14] <Andres-kain> cool.
[22:14] <Andres-kain> install a simple game to give it a try.
[22:17] <pepito> okay it asks my password, which is cool
[22:17] <pepito> nobody can download crap without asking me first
[22:17] <pepito> I like
[22:17] <pepito> got to take off for a second, brb
[22:17] <Andres-kain> pepito, i'm going to have to leave you but i want to say a few things: epifany is for chat: irc, facebookchat, googlechat/talk,... gwibber is for facebook, twitter,...
[22:19] <Andres-kain> evolution is for email like outlook but a bit easier i think.
[22:20] <Andres-kain> once you have them set up you can access all from top right (notificatio area)
[22:20] <pepito> well I can't thank you enough, all of you.   I am going to be in here quite a bit I think so I will look forward to seeing you around
[22:20] <Andres-kain> you can set it up from there.
[22:20] <pepito> okay I will play around and see what I figure out.
[22:21] <Andres-kain> i normally use ubuntu-uk mailing list. it is a bit slower but i like it better.
[22:21] <pepito> it is asking me about adding the game to the "launcher".  what is the launcher
[22:21] <Andres-kain> enjoy your freedom.
[22:22] <pepito> thanks Andres-kain
[22:22] <Andres-kain> launcher is th list of the left
[22:22] <pepito> aha.  okay
[22:22] <Pernig> later pepito
[22:22] <Pernig> it's nice to hear such a positive first impression
[22:22] <Andres-kain> you can drag and reorder them as you like.
[22:22] <pepito> are you checking out too Pernig?    its nice to finally discover something that can give me such a fantastic experience!
[22:23] <pepito> it might just be the contrast in comparison to Windows experiences, but I think it is the bomb
[22:23] <Pernig> aye, gonna jump into bed and switch to the phone
[22:23] <pepito> well I wish all a good night.   I will play around a bit and then climb into bed myself
[22:24] <Andres-kain> the best thing yet to come: update manager
[22:24] <pepito> lol
[22:24] <pepito> cant wait.   quick question, how is the libreoffice compatibility with my existing word docs?
[22:25] <Andres-kain> updates all your software un one place. and does it for ...
[22:25] <Andres-kain> comparibility is great. even macros.
[22:25] <Andres-kain> i am not a power user on any
[22:25] <pepito> okay it just keeps getting better
[22:26] <Andres-kain> on the plus side librewritter can save to pdf and html out of the box.
[22:26] <Andres-kain> unlike word.
[22:27] <pepito> cool
[22:28] <pepito> i love how, when I hover over something, an explanation pops up that is actually well written and very easy to grasp even for no knowers like me
[22:29] <Andres-kain> ohh i have a good one for you then.
[22:30] <pepito> lol okay I am sitting down now
[22:30] <Andres-kain> if you have audio files and you hover (hover without clicking) over the file icon it plays the audio with out opening a player
[22:30] <Andres-kain> hover the mouse i mean.
[22:31] <pepito> no kidding?????
[22:31] <pepito> I got to try this
[22:31] <Andres-kain> so if it says track3 you quickly know what song it is.
[22:32] <pepito> this is the genius of open source
[22:32] <Andres-kain> ok love doing this for longer but i wake up at 6 tomorrow.
[22:32] <pepito> hey get to bed already
[22:33] <pepito> thanks for the tips
[22:33] <Andres-kain> glad to help! good night!
[22:33] <pepito> see you around


[00:05] <Azelphur> do any of the banks support android NFC payments yet
[00:07] <daftykins> i kept reading articles about Google Wallet messing up, is it still going?
[00:07] <penguin42> your sure you're not safer with bitcoin?
[00:09] <Azelphur> penguin42: haha, who knows :P
[00:10] <daftykins> hah
[00:10] <daftykins> that's typical, all the 'merchants' on Google's UK site are their US ones ¬_¬
[00:21] <ali1234> i use google wallet all the time
[00:22] <ali1234> anyone who buys from google play does
[00:22] <ali1234> or is that separate?
[00:23] <ali1234> oh thats google checkout
[00:23] <daftykins> yeah we're more thinking of NFC payment at tills in shops i think
[00:24] <daftykins> one of my friends has one of those cards you wave at tills for <£15 or so payments, think that's the value anyway
[00:24] <daftykins> that's pretty neat, not sure what stops another customer nearby from picking up your bill though :>
[00:24] <penguin42> daftykins: It's supposed to be very close - almost but not quite touching I think
[00:25] <dwatkins> Not long until 2015, the year we start 'thumbing a couple hundred bucks' according to Back to the Future II...
[00:25] <daftykins> i was in the states in summer, definitely helped walking around with that much often :>
[00:52] <ali1234> well, the orange one is the only one i know of that works with your mobile
[05:02] <Ubuntu> hello
[11:53] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[11:56] <bigcalm> What might resolve this error in python? glib.GError: no element "v4l2src"
[12:09] <popey> you don't have a video4linux2 source?
[12:10] <popey> your webcam driver provides a v4l source? not v4l2?
[12:10]  * popey shrugs
[12:10]  * bigcalm grumbles at things
[12:10] <bigcalm> This all works just fine on my Ubuntu workstation
[12:10] <popey> oh
[12:11] <bigcalm> And I have proved that the webcam works on the RPi via Camorama
[12:11] <bigcalm> Get yourself one of the touch screens and you too can beta test this poop app I'm making ;)
[12:12] <bigcalm> Actually, the touch screen isn't relevant until the very end I guess
[12:15] <popey> is it debian squeeze?
[12:15] <bigcalm> Um, maybe?
[12:16] <popey> http://blog.pixelami.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-firmware-update-for-debian-squeeze/
[12:16] <popey> "The original Debian squeeze img contains a kernel that does not have v4l2 configured. However the latest firmware for the Raspberry Pi does include a recompiled kernel with v4l2 support added.
[12:16] <popey> "
[12:16] <bigcalm> I got it off of the raspberrypi.org site
[12:16] <bigcalm> Oh
[12:24] <bigcalm> I'm not sure what version of Debian it's running. I've only had it installed for a week tops
[12:24] <bigcalm> Is squeeze the latest version or is it sid?
[12:25] <bigcalm> Ah, wheezy according to the rpi download page
[12:26] <penguin42> bigcalm: Sid is always unstable and is never a release
[12:27] <bigcalm> I see
[12:27] <bigcalm> I wish they would use numbers like sensible distros ;)
[12:27] <penguin42> bigcalm: I think squeeze is current, Wheezy is next
[12:28] <bigcalm> I got my image from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[12:31] <popey> look in /etc/debian_release i think
[12:31] <popey> it should tell you
[12:31] <popey> also /etc/apt/sources.list might clue you in
[12:31] <bigcalm> Aye, tis Wheezy
[12:45] <bigcalm> Thing is, all modern webcams use UVC. This is a PlayStation Eye (fairly recent I think). Why would v4l(2) is used at all?
[12:46] <penguin42> bigcalm: Part of v4l is drivers part of it is a common API for 'get me a camera'
[12:47] <penguin42> bigcalm: So I think v4l should actually have the uvc driver bound to it
[12:47] <bigcalm> I see, makes more sense
[12:50] <bigcalm> Time to go to town and let Hayley pick a new fountain pen ink
[12:50] <bigcalm> I shall grumble some more about this over lunch
[13:20] <penguin42> pick an ink???
[14:19] <popey> reddit users.. if i subscribe to a subreddit, what does that do?
[14:51] <mgdm> popey: means that when you go to the front page, you'll see its posts in among the stuff there
[14:52] <popey> ta
[14:52] <popey> i never go to the reddit front page
[14:54] <mgdm> I only set up an account to unsubscribe from /r/atheism and /r/adviceanimals on the occasions I do look at the front page
[14:57] <popey> hah
[14:57] <popey> oh, if you unsub, it removes them from your front page?
[14:58] <mh0> As far as I know, yes
[14:58] <mgdm> Yes
[14:58] <mh0> Long time no speak in here - heh
[16:07] <dwatkins> yeah, there's a list of subreddits added by default, popey, such as /r/videos and /r/pics
[16:08] <popey> ta
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> I don't like football usually.. but I love how John Green plays FIFA :) http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9ECE36CB2EB2FE3E
[16:14] <solarcloud_3scrn> MartijnVdS, I hear the gunners weren't even playing !
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: watch those videos :) The "Swindon Town Swoodilypoopers" vs the world ;)
[16:15] <solarcloud_3scrn> I've no batteries for my headphones atmo.   but I'll book mark it ..
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: he invents back-stories (and new names) for players, and answers questions from viewers/talks about random stuff
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: and the real Swindon Town noticed: http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/archive/2011/12/29/Swindon+News+(swindon_news)/9443534.We___ve_won_the_cup___/
[16:18] <solarcloud_3scrn> T'anks for the description .. as I said , I can't hear, Soooo.. I'm installing skype for Typetalking..
[16:18] <dwatkins> John Green is awesome, so's his brother. I may be biased, as I met John and he liked my t-shirt because it has the number '42' on it.
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I've been reading his book, and watching their videos (they have a lot of them..)
[16:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone flattr'd the ukpodcast team yet , tis year ..
[16:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> or any other flattr's for that matter      ??
[16:19] <solarcloud_3scrn> **this year ..
[16:20] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: which book? I've not read any of them yet, I must admit.
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I started with The Fault in Our Stars (prepare for tears), and now I'm reading Looking for Alaska
[16:21] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: thanks, I assume you also enjoyed it
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yeah, it's a great story. But lots of feels :)
[16:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> Any terrible Nerds out there for gaming .. got a book off agaming forum about an 80's kid from thre UK .. who wnt all the way to silicon Valley .. called '  Terrible Nerd '  .. I'd like lo find him on http://www.ohloh.net/accounts/sydunim  .. but don't know his user name (O Well)....
[16:28] <solarcloud_3scrn> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/Question%20about%20Doom3%20%20-%20Yahoo%21%20UK%20%26%20Ireland%20Answers_files/Terrible%20Nerd.jpg
[17:09] <dutchie> evening
[17:10] <sprmtt> evening
[17:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> evening
[17:49] <Nambarc> Hello?
[17:50] <penguin42> is it us you're looking for?
[18:07] <penguin42> obviously not
[19:11] <Neoti_Laptop> hi all im looking for a visio style program for ubuntu?
[19:17] <czajkowski> Neoti_Laptop: what kind of diagrams do you need to draw
[19:18] <Neoti_Laptop> network layouts.
[19:18] <czajkowski> http://pencil.evolus.vn/ works nicely
[19:19] <Neoti_Laptop> ah cool thanks... :)
[19:59] <ecarv-> Hi
[21:00] <penguin42> popey: Were you saying something about G+ doing odd things the other day - I'm finding my front page isn't showing your latest post (after reloading it) but if I click on you I get it again, but back to the front page doesn't
[21:02] <popey> yeah, it was being odd for me too
[21:02] <popey> but so were other sites
[21:03] <popey> so could be down to the virgin media poxy
[21:03] <penguin42> popey: I'm on Demon/Thus
[21:23] <solarcloud_3scrn> popey, What hashtag (if any ) did you attempt to use with the G+comm post ?? .. and don't say you didn't hashtag the postr !
[21:31] <Azelphur> does anyone know if we have a way of doing NFC payments in UK yet besides the special setup with orange?
[21:51] <penguin42> hwy is it a special?
[22:05] <cocoa117> how do you set your Gnome/Unit desktop file creation default group? e.g. on a desktop, right click mouse, create new file, how do I make newly create file's group to say users
[23:32] <penguin42> popey: Hmm interesting; specifically on G+ - your ginger beer and 7:25 ostrich pillow have disappeared from my front page, but your T430 and dodgy looking meat post ar ethere
[23:41] <mrgt> can't get my screen resolution right. when I increase the resolution my monitor displays "no signal". running ubuntu 12.10 and have an Asus monitor
[23:43] <penguin42> what resolution is it happy with, have you had it happy with any other ubuntu at full resolution?
[23:44] <mrgt> it's at 1280 x 800. it was higher before though. I think it changed after I was playing a game..
[23:44] <AlanBell> what is the native resolution of the monitor?
[23:45] <AlanBell> and is it hdmi or dvi or vga?
[23:47] <Azelphur> Anyone know anything similar to pyrenamer, but with more features? :P
[23:47] <mrgt> 1920 x 1080. it's connected via vga
[23:47] <penguin42> mrgt: Have you tried rebooting since running the game?
[23:47] <solarcloud_3scrn> Ithink poppey's in Y!ahoo gnome at mo. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/search/search_result;_ylt=AoY81BF.joLnD1pVY.TxJTBJBgx.;_ylv=3?page=1&p=Ubuntu+gnome&scope=all&fltr=uk_&question_status=all&date_submitted=all&category=0&answer_count=any&orderby=date&filter_search=true
[23:47] <mrgt> yeah
[23:47] <ali1234> mrgt connect it by hdmi, dvi-d, or display port
[23:48] <ali1234> what graphics card do you have?
[23:48] <penguin42> ali1234: Well it should manage it on vga, I run my 1920 over vga on one laptop
[23:48] <mrgt> erm.. but I didn't have it connected that way before and I had a higher resolution ..
[23:48] <ali1234> penguin42: i bet it looks terrible though
[23:49] <penguin42> mrgt: Is it the only monitor connected to your system, and is your system as a laptop
[23:49] <ali1234> yes, and what video card?
[23:49] <mrgt> penguin42, it's the only monitor and it's a desktop
[23:49] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh it's not as crisp as DVI but with the laptop I'd rather have the extra pixels and screen real estate
[23:51] <mrgt> ali1234, it's NVIDIA
[23:51] <ali1234> did you install nvidia driver?
[23:52] <mrgt> ali1234, how do I install it?
[23:52] <ali1234> it's really uneccessarily hard to find it on 12.10
[23:53] <ali1234> but basically you open a terminal and then type "software-properties-gtk"
[23:53] <ali1234> then go to the last tab "additional drivers"
[23:54] <ali1234> you should have a few options for which nvidia driver to use. which one is selected?


 Ok, have bug with ubuntu mate on boot on newer computer. When i go to report bug get this with no instructions how to or the link.

 Matt, does this post help? https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-21-04-testing-week-april-1-april-7/23385/5 (re @Matt: Ok, have bug with ubuntu mate on boot on newer computer. When i go to report bug get this with no instructions how to or the link.)
 I like but bug in. This link not ready help me. I waited 30 mins with blank screen and then tried to do esc nothing. Only holding power to turn off. No vm. I like to log and get all logs so i help. Using same usb was able to boot on second older hp stream 13. My main one is acer aspire a315-22-65gt
 I like too log a bug. This link not ready help me. I waited 30 mins with blank screen and then tried to do esc nothing. Only holding power to turn off. No vm. I like to log and get all logs so i help. Using same usb was able to boot on second older hp stream 13. My main one is acer aspire a315-22-65gt (edited)
 Matt I'm not much familiar with GPU issues (as I only ever had integrated graphics on my laptops), but if you check our community forum you will see lot of users with AMD GPU have issues similar to what you have reported. Acer model has AMD GPU whereas HP model has integrated intel one, hence no issue.
 Following two along with what @madhens had linked, may be useful to you (includes links to bug reports).
 1. https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/20-04-display-issues-with-amd-gpu/21648
 2. https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-amdgpu-driver-issues-gpu-info-only/23159
 Thank you.
 @philipz Regarding the installer slideshow, for me it does not make sense to provide 'links' (for documentation and support). Is it not enough to have static image of documentation/support channel (for eg. what UM does)? How many people may click on it during installation? With firefox not always the well-behaved (in terms of memory) application and no panel/dock to see windows (switching/min-max), it *may* in fact be co
 Speaking of documentation, it may need some updates. See screenshot, the link to official documentation states latest LTS as xenial. :
 Thank you so much, Sai! Ubuntu MATE is very lucky to have you as a tester! (re @saivinob: Following two along with what @madhens had linked, may be useful to you (includes links to bug reports).
 1. https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/20-04-display-issues-with-amd-gpu/21648
 2. https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/ubuntu-mate-amdgpu-driver-issues-gpu-info-only/23159)
 Isn't it April 1 today? 🤔.......just kidding... Thank you @madhens 😊 In fact I'm lucky to be part of the team. (re @madhens: Thank you so much, Sai! Ubuntu MATE is very lucky to have you as a tester!)
 Your quote I used in the first post about feeling like a kid looking in the window of the candy shop invited in for samples? That's how I felt and still feel. :) But the lucky feeling goes both ways! (re @saivinob: Isn't it April 1 today? 🤔.......just kidding... Thank you @madhens 😊 In fact I'm lucky to be part of the team.)
  (re @saivinob: Team, can somebody please do test case #1451 (Xubuntu lvm+encryption) and share your observation. Just after I put passphrase screen screenshot above, I am back at original issue I faced; passphrase screen not shown until 'Esc' is pressed. Failed 6/6 times. First I suspected autologin issue as I had chosen 'login automatically' option. But it doesn't seem to be the issue.I must add I am only checking on VM
 what does the log say?
 already shut down the VM. lol.
 let me try again
 which log should i check?
 /var/log/installer/debug would be the 1st one to check
 when i run the installer and set the lvm+encryption and then click 'Install Now', it seems to cancel the installer and loads up the live session.
 maybe a silent crash. try again from the desktop icon?
 let me report that issue first.
 ok. I am still syncing new ISO
 bug #1922175
 well, I said might be a crash. hard to tell
 is there anything else i should attach to it?
 looks like the report got them all
 encrypted LVM install in xubuntu on virtualbox is going normally here
 Installed ok. I get the issue with the encryption passphrase box in plymouth
 tried a 2nd time. did not get that error on either try (re @philipz: )
 That is however only in a Vbox VM
 are you using 20210331.1 image? which vm are you using? (re @philipz: when i run the installer and set the lvm+encryption and then click 'Install Now', it seems to cancel the installer and loads up the live session.)
 fyi, mine was. I did the checksume
 fyi, mine was. I did the checksum (edited)
 i guess when this was created many years ago, the idea was that while someone is waiting for their installation to complete, they can check the support mediums. no idea how many people click on them. guess the other assumption is that people would be going in the live session and then starting the installer, so it would be easy to switch back and forth from the installer to the browser. (re @saivinob: )
 we are working on a complete re-write of the documentation, which will land in the next release. (re @saivinob: )
 Noted. (re @philipz: i guess when this was created many years ago, the idea was that while someone is waiting for their installation to complete, they can check the support mediums. no idea how many people click on them. guess the other assumption is that people would be going in the live session and then starting the installer, so it would be easy to switch back and forth from the installer to the browser.)
 found a bug that affects all gtk flavors with arabic, and likely other RTL languages https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1920745
 Noted as well. For the one I pointed out, I'll go through your contributor document. If possible will try to correct and send a pull request just to test the water. (re @philipz: we are working on a complete re-write of the documentation, which will land in the next release.)
 no need to go to the contributor doc, as they are old.
 i've sent in a PR to fix it
 Ubuntu turkish repo down?
 https://mobile.twitter.com/ByT13R/status/1377500255487414273/photo/1
 was running 03-30 in vmware player (re @saivinob: are you using 20210331.1 image? which vm are you using?)
 i've upgraded to 03-31 now
 same crash happens
 Strange. I checked 0330, 0331, 0331.1 no crashes. I use quickemu and virt-manager. Is it possible for you to check on one of them?
 not the 31.1? (re @philipz: i've upgraded to 03-31 now)
 sha256 139c13e2190ac2ab2fff9b75d6ce769f18f57701fe59f86d1d33481aa7bf0975
 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/n3JHBYX6c3/ (re @RikMills: /var/log/installer/debug would be the 1st one to check)
 i just zsync to whatever is available (re @RikMills: not the 31.1?)
 i just zsync to the latest (edited) (re @RikMills: not the 31.1?)
 hmmm. doesn't tell me much. then again, I am not used to looking at the gtk side debug (re @philipz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/n3JHBYX6c3/)
 what language are you selecting?
 english
 no idea then
 so figured out that when the VM was set to 1.5GB RAM it had the issue but increasing it to 2GB resolved it.
 aha. I give mine 4GB
 Hmm. I use 2GB.
 I don't use 4GB in most VMs, but when doing these sorts of tests I do. Gets closer to realistic modern hardware
 I stick with 1.5GB as my system already eats up about 6GB on my 8GB system with my browser open :D
  (re @saivinob: Team, can somebody please do test case #1451 (Xubuntu lvm+encryption) and share your observation. Just after I put passphrase screen screenshot above, I am back at original issue I faced; passphrase screen not shown until 'Esc' is pressed. Failed 6/6 times. First I suspected autologin issue as I had chosen 'login automatically' option. But it doesn't seem to be the issue.I must add I am only checking on VM
 then i reach to the x11 login screen.
 @RikMills Would you be able to do me a massive favour?
 We have an epic crasher in Ubuntu MATE.
 We have fixes. Tested via a PPA. But one of the packages in not in my package set.
 If I put the fully ready to go package in a PPA, please could you upload it to universe?
 Hmmm. Perhaps I can upload the package...
 Not at home right now. Gimme 30 mins if you're still stuck
 I think I'm all sorted. (re @RikMills: Not at home right now. Gimme 30 mins if you're still stuck)
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Hirsute Beta] has been marked as ready
 cool 😎 (re @wimpress: I think I'm all sorted.)
 Thank you.
 I tried Sean Davis' password dialog file. It is still the same. Do we have to simply copy to theme folder he mentioned or something else has to be done for plymouth theme to be updated? (re @philipz: )
 I think it is better to have border color different (say xfce progressbar blue) and not just varying box inside color.
 yes a border color would solve the issue
 Kernel panic in hyper-v gen2 vm hirsute-desktop-amd64.iso from today :
 in all 3 modes
 Which flavor? (re @Hjörleifur: )
 Regular ubuntu
 Tks (re @Hjörleifur: Regular ubuntu)
 Works if I use a gen1 vm
  (re @saivinob: Thank you. I tried Sean Davis' password dialog file. It is still the same. Do we have to simply copy to theme folder he mentioned or something else has to be done for plymouth theme to be updated?)My apologies. I had not run sudo update-initramfs -u. After running it, the text box is visible, although in my opinion the text is top-left aligned whereas it would have been nice if it is vertically center ali
  (re @saivinob: Thank you. I tried Sean Davis' password dialog file. It is still the same. Do we have to simply copy to theme folder he mentioned or something else has to be done for plymouth theme to be updated?)
[14:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu Budgie Desktop amd64 [Hirsute Beta] has been marked as ready
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Hirsute Beta] has been marked as ready
[15:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Hirsute Beta] has been marked as ready
 Forwarded from unknown: The #UbuntuTestingWeek starts today 🎉 Download the beta ISO of Ubuntu Unity Remix 21.04 and help us test it over the next 7 days.https://ubuntuunity.org/2021/04/01/ubuntu-unity-21-04-hirsute-hippo-testing-week-and-beta/#10YearsOfUnity #UnityLivesOn #UTW #UTW2104 :
 Yep shouldnt be top aligned (re @saivinob: )
 Was this tweeted? (re @rs2009: )
 Yes, I did tweet it just a little while back from the Ubuntu Unity Twitter handle. (re @philipz: Was this tweeted?)
 @rs2009 i shared it on MeWe too.
 @rs2009 i shared it on MeWe too in the Ubuntu World group. (edited)
 @Maik_aD great :) (re @Maik_aD: @rs2009 i shared it on MeWe too in the Ubuntu World group.)
 welcome @Nemtekl
 Thanks guys ! 😉
 which flavor are you testing today?
 Today mate on hp stream 13 worked but could not log results into website today. Does page change?
 the beta page won't change, but the daily will
 👍