[21:30] <Kartoffelsalat> Malfist: i want to use it in connection with php. maybe you have an idea why this php port thinks that he must add "LC_MESSAGES" to the path to the mo file?
[21:30] <Malfist> Kartoffelsalat: Nope, sorry
[21:31] <sku> kilroy4: ok, wlan0 is connected to the AP.  there are a few hex numbers
[21:31] <sku> kilroy4: but nothing describing the name of the card
[21:31] <toresn> how do i make terminals focus when i hover the mouse over them?
[21:31] <phildard755> hello
[21:31] <kilroy4> sku: then it appears that it is working fine
[21:31] <ejandi> my desktop crashes wen eva i turn on my system..pls is they any other one they
[21:31] <multiverse> How do I get unbanned from #ubuntu?
[21:31] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I removed it and ran apt-update and I get this error: http://www.pastebin.org/9637
[21:31] <kilroy4> sku: eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"SPCPublic"
[21:31] <kilroy4>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:0B:86:A6:8F:F0
[21:31] <kilroy4>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:15 dBm
[21:31] <kilroy4>           Retry limit:15   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[21:31] <kilroy4>           Power Management:off
[21:31] <multiverse> How do I contact the current op?
[21:31] <kilroy4>           Link Quality=71/100  Signal level=-62 dBm  Noise level=-63 dBm
[21:32] <kilroy4>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[21:32] <kilroy4>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:1364   Missed beacon:0
[21:32] <sku> kilroy4: indeed it is.  that's how i am talking to you ;)
[21:32] <kilroy4> sku: that is the output of mine
[21:32] <Malfist> multiverse: you're on ubuntu
[21:32] <kilroy4> sku: there need not be a card name or anything else there
[21:32] <phildard755> i have a problem with ubuntu
[21:32] <kilroy4> sku: if it isnt grabbing a ip address then just do a sudo dhcpcd wlan0
[21:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: If I had a crystal ball I would say you added Wine with Automatix
[21:32] <phildard755> with udev
[21:33] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I used to use automatix to install the JDK and netbeans and flash
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: but you say not.. so ok..
[21:33] <SixFifty> Anybody have any idea how to fix the laptop suspend issue? I have a Geforce 2 go
[21:33] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: It looks like I did
[21:33] <sku> kilroy4: sorry, i'm in the live cd at the moment
[21:33] <multiverse> !ops multiverse help
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: So you were NOT telling the truth a minute ago that you only looked and did NOT install anything
[21:33] <kilroy4> sku: that souldnt matter
[21:33] <stdin> !ops
[21:33] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Pelo!
[21:33] <bruenig> !ops
[21:33] <amidaniel> Wee .. join flood
[21:33] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I said _used_ to as in past tense, previous versions of ubuntu
[21:34] <bruenig> +rR always gets them
[21:34] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: It doesn't have those anymore
[21:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: Your current problem seems to be related.. did you upgrade from an install that DID have automatix run on it?
[21:35] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: No, ubuntu's update to gusty failed, horrible this is a fresh install
[21:35] <SixFifty> register
[21:35] <chris__> jack_sparrow :- hi I have done that in the web address bar - with same problem. I cannot load any web pages and have tried to find the fault in the network tab, but none found? I cahanged from Ubu Fawn to UbuCE edition for security access issues for the kids. Then FF loaded once, I imported my old bookmarks, closed and restarted then it stopped loading pages anymore!
[21:35] <SixFifty> register
[21:36] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: wine's repo isn't in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:36] <kakoonia> kane77 : when i tried to configure the AWN package, it prompted me the follwing line No package 'pycairo' found
[21:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: which is one of the reasons it looked like you used automaitx to install it
[21:36] <phildard755> hello
[21:36] <Jack_Sparrow> !easysource
[21:36] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[21:37] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: wine? I downloaded the deb from their website
[21:37] <multiverse> LjL:  are you an op?
[21:37] <Tm_T> multiverse: yes?
[21:37] <LjL> multiverse: i'm kind of opped
[21:37] <SixFifty> Anybody have any idea how to fix the laptop suspend issue? I have a Geforce 2 go
[21:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: Why, because you wanted bleeding edge...  now you are bleeding
[21:37] <Malfist> multiverse he did set some channel ops
[21:37] <multiverse> I was banned from #ubuntu on another IP address.
[21:37] <multiverse> How do I get back?
[21:37] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: No, because wine isn't in ubuntu's repos
[21:37] <phildard755> i have a problem with udev (udev: Dépend: volumeid (= 093-0ubuntu18.0edgy2) but 113-0ubuntu16 ....)
[21:38] <ikonia> Malfist: ban dodging is not a good way to start
[21:38] <Jack_Sparrow> !wine
[21:38] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[21:38] <Malfist> ikonia: what?
[21:38] <LjL> multiverse: please leave this channel now, as you don't really want to evade a ban. ask in #ubuntu-ops instead.
[21:38] <multiverse> thanks
[21:38] <Malfist> ikonia: I'm not ban dodging, i've never been banned
[21:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: not you
[21:38] <ikonia> Malfist: wrong person, stupid auto complete, sorry
[21:38] <multiverse> quit
[21:39] <kane77> SixFifty, suspend is very complex issue.. I've read something about suspend and nvidia drivers not going together...
[21:39] <LjL> Malfist, ikonia meant multiverse
[21:39] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: wine is removed from the system
[21:39] <ekim|linux> every package I have ever installed is in /var/cache/apt
[21:39] <ekim|linux> can I delete those
[21:39] <ekim|linux> what purpose do they server
[21:39] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: same error
[21:39] <ekim|linux> *serve
[21:39] <ekim|linux> It is taking up several gigs
[21:39] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I see it hitting wine's server
[21:40] <SixFifty> kane77, I have heard that too, strange thing is that it was working on the previous version
[21:40] <buzzsaw> if i know i need a package like gtktoolkit how do i go about using apt-get to find it?
[21:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: I see wine when I run synaptic...
[21:40] <buzzsaw> because it does not list under that name
[21:40] <SixFifty> maybe it is a kernel thing
[21:40] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I uninstalled wine
[21:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: I wont use it
[21:40] <kane77> SixFifty, anyway.. on my desktop it works (with nvidia geforce2)
[21:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: How did you ininstall it
[21:41] <Jack_Sparrow> uninstall
[21:41] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: aptitude remove wine
[21:41] <SixFifty> kane77, how do you get yourself to show up in red like that?
[21:41] <SixFifty> is it a name thing?
[21:42] <kane77> buzzsaw, you can either start typing "sudo aptitude install gtktoo" and try to tab to see what options you have or you can "aptitude search blah"
[21:42] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: apt-get update fixed, removed wine from synapitic's repos through the gui
[21:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: MAy I suggest you install wine from official repos.. multiverse or universe etc....
[21:42] <kane77> SixFifty, yes
[21:42] <Jack_Sparrow> good
[21:42] <SixFifty> kane77, how clever thanks anyway, i'll try the forums
[21:42] <phildard755> hello
[21:42] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: done
[21:42] <kane77> buzzsaw, replace the blah with what you want to search for...
[21:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: Sorry, I should have had you do update a long time ago..
[21:43] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: ?
[21:43] <ekim|linux> fine...
[21:43] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: that's were apt-get update's error was coming from
[21:43] <buzzsaw> ok now another question i know i have java of some sort installed but how to i find out what package?
[21:43] <Jack_Sparrow> ok
[21:43] <kdubois> what's some alternatives to cron?
[21:43] <ekim|linux> why ?
[21:43] <tsoul> hey guyz need some help please ?
[21:43] <jimmious> help! whenever i try to login i get a digital out of range message! probably did something wrong with the refresh rates or resolution. what can i do?
[21:44] <ekim|linux> there are different versions of cron...
[21:44] <wasabi> Is hoary archived anywhere?
[21:44] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: but I still have the problem of not being able to find sources or packages for apt-get source/build-dep for apt-build
[21:44] <tsoul> Im trying to edit Allow Users in the cups config page but dont know the correct separators to use ?
[21:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: what was your link for your sources again?
[21:44] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I'm going to update it
[21:45] <tsoul> any ideas anyone ?
[21:45] <jakomo> hello all
[21:45] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: http://www.pastebin.org/9638
[21:46] <buzzsaw> kane77, thanks
[21:46] <mEck0> how can I import a csv-file to Evolution's calendar? because I just see that Evolution want to add the file contents to Contacts, which I don't want. Or can Evolution hanlde vcal or another format which I could convert the csv-file to?
[21:46] <jakomo> ok
[21:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: looks like a lot of your deb-src could not verify and were commented out..
[21:46] <bmk789> running 'show databases' in mysql outputs nothing but it should list several databases, how can i get my databases back?
[21:47] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: I haven't touched it, aside to remove automatix's
[21:47] <wasabi> Is there any old mirrors that contain hoary and warty releases?
[21:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: uncomment the deb-src lines and see if it finds them
[21:47] <buzzsaw> ok i want to run icedtea rather than the java i have now how would i remove the one i have and put icedtea in its place?
[21:47] <Jack_Sparrow> !eol
[21:47] <ubotu> End-Of-Life is the time when security updates for an Ubuntu release stop. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/LifeCycle
[21:47] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: okay, give me a few
[21:47] <wasabi> Uh huh. Security updates. Great. Don't care.
[21:47] <wasabi> Looking for original apt archives.
[21:48] <wasabi> ie unsupported blobs of data
[21:48] <jimmious> is there anyone that can help me?
[21:48] <Jack_Sparrow> !ask
[21:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:48] <jimmious> help! whenever i try to login i get a digital out of range message! probably did something wrong with the refresh rates or resolution. what can i do?
[21:49] <jimmious> i asked a bit back :P
[21:49] <taz_> hi guys.. any one know about dvd movie.. it error.. it cant play movie ??
[21:49] <bmk789> !dvd | taz_
[21:49] <ubotu> taz_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[21:49] <taz_> yes
[21:49] <drewby> Hello, can anyone recommend a good Ubuntu - friendly RPG for a moderate-end computer?
[21:49] <Jack_Sparrow> jimmious: boot recovery mode...   then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      then startx
[21:49] <jimmious> ok
[21:49] <jimmious> thanks
[21:49] <jimmious> let me try that
[21:49] <jimmious> :0
[21:49] <jimmious> :)
[21:49] <buzzsaw> drewby, crossfire is great
[21:49] <drewby> My computer can't handle planeshift
[21:49] <Jack_Sparrow> jimmious: vesa is failsafe
[21:50] <drewby> I'll check out crossfire, buzzsaw, thanks
[21:50] <buzzsaw> once i do an apt-get install do i need to do any cleanup
[21:50] <buzzsaw> drewby, crossfire.real-time.com
[21:50] <Lunks> My friend told me that there are differences between upgrading to Gutsy and installing it clean. Is it possible to make it change itself to how Gutsy looks like when installed clean?
[21:50] <drewby> thanks
[21:50] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: apt-get update looks to be getting data from sources
[21:50] <Jack_Sparrow> cool
[21:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Malfist: sorry I took the long way on that one
[21:51] <bmk789> how do i list databases in mysql?
[21:51] <LiENUS> relatively fresh inistall of ubuntu using the amd xorg driver i get graphical glitches (icons just appear as garbage)
[21:51] <kane77> drewby, I kind of like The Mana World...
[21:51] <jovas> alguem pode me der uma ajuda para instalar um driver???
[21:51] <LiENUS> any idea what it could be?
[21:51] <DivideZer> there is ChatZilla for windows ?
[21:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks:  If you install gutsy clean.. it will look like gutsy
[21:52] <drewby> Is there anything set in a 3d environment?
[21:52] <taz_> it said
[21:52] <jovas> driver openchorme.sh
[21:52] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: It's working now, thank you
[21:52] <Jack_Sparrow> glad to hear it
[21:52] <taz_> To activate DVD decryption, type the following line into a terminal promp ,,,,,,,  copy then paste use this sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[21:53] <sn00zer> on my open office whenever i use bullets or numbering the box pops up with the options specific to those things but somehow it switched to fullscreen, how do i get these toolbars back to a manageable size
[21:53] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: no other way? don't want to install it again. :P
[21:53] <taz_> ubotu  .u see this if it correct ??
[21:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: When you set it up this time...  make a partition for /home ....
[21:54] <Malfist> Jack_Sparrow: Now I can build firefox and maybe it will run faster :P
[21:54] <doseryder> I can't remember the name of the package for ssh daemon
[21:54] <jimmious> Jack_Sparrow it crashes when I startx
[21:54] <drewby> alright thanks all
[21:54] <drewby> byeeeeee
[21:54] <Centaur5> Restricted manager shows conexant driver is in use /dev/modem points to /dev/ttySL0 but /dev/ttySL0 doesn't exist.  How do I create that file so the modem can dial?
[21:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: You can theme it to look close, but then there are lots of goodies you would miss
[21:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: You can also do a full backup and try the upgrade thing
[21:54] <jimmious> fatal IO error 104 connection reset by peer on x server ":0.0"
[21:55] <robbiev> hey all, sometime ago I read about potential modifications to apt that would only download the changed files from the repository and not the whole package. Does anybody know where I can about this?
[21:55] <doseryder> i checked http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/allpackages, there's like a bunch of them.  Which one is the most commonly used?
[21:55] <Malfist> robbiev: like deltas?
[21:55] <robbiev> Malfist: yes
[21:55] <abcent> Hi Guys/Ladies, Is there anyway to make desktop icons smaller to save desktop space?
[21:55] <Malfist> robbiev: I knew of one for portage, but not for ubuntu
[21:55] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: it's not that if I had home on a different partition, it'd be ok. I don't want to have to install all over again. If there's no way, ok then.
[21:55] <joevandyk> so, if Notification belongs_to :notification_for, :polymorphic => true, is there a way to easily search for a Notification given a notification_for object?
[21:56] <joevandyk> i could search by notification_for_class and notification_for_id, but that's kinda ugly
[21:56] <joevandyk> i figured there was some helper finder method
[21:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: the upgrade should work..
[21:56] <santor> abcent: in gnome or kde?
[21:56] <kane77> joevandyk, wrong channel I guess... :)
[21:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: You can always dual boot with your current and gutsy...
[21:56] <joevandyk> damn
[21:56] <joevandyk> lol
[21:56] <abcent> santor: kde
[21:56] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: yeah, i believe I'll try it later. :P
[21:56] <jimmious> jack sparrow thanks a bunch!
[21:56] <jimmious> im in :)
[21:56] <santor> umm, not sure
[21:56] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[21:57] <Jack_Sparrow> yea
[21:57] <kane77> joevandyk, is that ruby?
[21:57] <santor> i higher resolution makes everything smaller, that coudl help
[21:57] <Malfist> robbiev: have you checked ubuntu forums or google?
[21:57] <Malfist> robbiev: that might tell you more, I can't help
[21:57] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: it's kinda odd but I get attached to my computer setup. :P
[21:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: We all do
[21:57] <abcent> santor: max res is 1440 x 900 .... and icons are way to big
[21:57] <joevandyk> kane77: yeah
[21:57] <santor> odd, in kde, hmm, not sure what to do
[21:58] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: as Ubuntu has some packages which will require reinstall/reconfigure, it's very sad to reinstall it all over again. :P
[21:58] <Malfist> Why does my apt-get always say "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" everytime I do something since I updated to gusty?
[21:58] <santor> now that i look at mine there pretty huge too
[21:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: That is why I dual boot... I dont change until there are so many goodies I cant say no
[21:58] <abcent> santor: what desktop is default for Ubuntu 7.10? ... newbee here
[21:58] <santor> gnome
[21:58] <MasterShrek> gnome
[21:59] <MasterShrek> ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde, xubuntu = xfce
[21:59] <buzzsaw> ok i did   apt-get install crossfire-maps and it said that it is already installed how do i find out where its installed to?
[21:59]  * N3bunel away
[21:59] <santor> kde is default on kubuntu, although you can convert between them
[21:59] <robbiev> Malfist: I have, but I keep getting the wrong information
[21:59] <abcent> santor: ok thats where i need to find a fix to min icons
[21:59] <Flare183> My U3 flash drive is acting weird today, all it shows is the cdrom part of the flash drive and not the flash drive part of it. I worked fine yesterday. Any Ideas?
[21:59] <Jack_Sparrow> you can have several wm's  and select which one under sessions at login
[21:59] <Malfist> robbiev: Sorry, ask on the forums?
[22:00] <santor> in gnome i think you can rightclick and resize your icons
[22:00] <haruspexed> hi
[22:00] <santor> but i switched to kde a few weeks ago
[22:00] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: But honestly, I don't see a point on not having a way to change everything to 'the gutsy way'. That shouldn't be too hard to create a metapackage which does it.
[22:00] <haruspexed> i have problem with usb tv card
[22:00] <abcent> santor: tried that on firefox etc... no luck
[22:00] <santor> i'm new to ubuntu but familiar with linux
[22:00] <santor> i kno what you mean
[22:01] <santor> when i was using gnome firefox was like a quarter of the whole screen
[22:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Lunks: The upgrade does what most people want it to do
[22:01] <santor> kde is not as bad but the icons are kinda big
[22:01] <Dani_20> hello
[22:01] <abcent> santor: yeah, although not quite quater
[22:02] <santor> i supppose thats an exageration
[22:02] <Lunks> Jack_Sparrow: Yeah, I believe there aren't much complains about Ubuntu not changing everything on your setup. :P
[22:02] <EdgEy> anyone know of a good usb headset to use with ubuntu?
[22:02] <EdgEy> i can't use a normal microphone
[22:03] <EdgEy> because audigy2 drivers crap it and it's too quiet
[22:03] <parantbellum> hi
[22:03] <oobe> can anyone here provide me with technical support for my 486 pc KDE desktop wont load
[22:03] <Flare183> My U3 flash drive is acting weird today, all it shows is the cdrom part of the flash drive and not the flash drive part of it. I worked fine yesterday. Any Ideas?
[22:04] <Jack_Sparrow> oobe: how much ram on that 486?  and ouch.. why..
[22:04] <oobe> sorry i was only joking
[22:04] <oobe> lol
[22:04] <Jack_Sparrow> We have actually seen that here
[22:04] <oobe> really KDE?
[22:04] <oobe> or fluxbox :P
[22:04] <Jack_Sparrow> oobe: Amazing what people will try..
[22:04] <libnet-problem> hi i am tryin to install and i get this error checking for libnet... yes
[22:04] <libnet-problem> checking for version 1.1.x of libnet... no
[22:04] <libnet-problem> configure: error: Bad libnet version found in /libnet.h:  what to do
[22:04] <adac2> with modprobe ndiswrapper i get:  FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found any ideas?
[22:05] <void^> oobe: you can run kde 1.x just fine on any 486 :)
[22:05] <kane77> I doubt that.. with loads of ram maybe.. but my duron 1400MHz had problems with gnome...
[22:05] <nemo_work> Welp, I just added a "fuser -k /dev/snd/pcm*" as a desktop item under System on my mom's computer - I guess that's the best I can do until the Firefox bug is fixed.
[22:05] <oobe> most old 486 pcs wouldnt recognize a HD big enough to run the latest linux distros with KDE
[22:05] <nemo_work> heh. welp is in this channel too. oops
[22:05] <nemo_work> welp: sorry, I keep pinging you ;)
[22:06] <santor> but a linux distro wiht kde 1 would be small
[22:06] <santor> its old
[22:06] <davina> 504mb used to be the max for a HD on old bios
[22:06] <oobe> yeah true
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow> !offtopic
[22:06] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry....
[22:06] <oobe> i thought you were making a point lol
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow> oobe: I am to blame too....  bad me...
[22:06] <pete83> !offtopic | Jack_Sparrow
[22:06] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks pete
[22:07] <oobe> actually you took my question seriously thats all
[22:07] <nemo_work> santor: my current linux laptop has only a little more than 500 megs of space :)
[22:07] <santor> wow
[22:07] <santor> ubuntu?
[22:07] <nemo_work> santor: 96MiB of memory, P1 processor (have a P2 laptop too)
[22:07] <oobe> what processor does it have
[22:07] <nemo_work> santor: naw, gentoo.
[22:08] <jakomo> ok
[22:08] <santor> oh yea
[22:08] <santor> gentoo could do that
[22:08] <nemo_work> santor: well, more tweakable.
[22:08] <Jack_Sparrow> If anyone has a question please speak up...  and we will shut up...
[22:08] <oobe> so could slackware
[22:08] <asn> Anyone who knows a bit of C and could answer a few questions of me?
[22:08] <Znuff> Hi. Some time ago there was a installer for ubuntu that would add a grub boot entry in windows' boot.ini. It's not WUBI. Anyone has an idea on what it was called?
[22:08] <santor> yup
[22:08] <santor> right
[22:08] <nemo_work> oobe: I used to be a big slackware fan.  gentoo automates the bits I want automated though
[22:09] <oobe> fair enough i loved slackware to
[22:09] <santor> grub in windows boot.ini, thats backwords to what i normally see
[22:09] <santor> really
[22:09] <oobe> now im a ubuntu user for sure
[22:09] <Znuff> santor, to install it.
[22:09] <santor> i've heard alot about gentoo
[22:09] <nemo_work> oobe: ubuntu is growing on me too, obviously, or I wouldn't be here ;)
[22:09] <oobe> its the first easy to use distro that doesnt break all the time
[22:09] <Jack_Sparrow> I seem to remember a multi bootloader that did something like that
[22:10] <oobe> that i have used
[22:10] <santor> Znuff: that seems odd, i've installed quite a few distros but never seen that, usually boot from cd, dvd, floppy, or network drive
[22:10] <Znuff> santor, I installed ubuntu on a cd-rom-less computer from windows. It was a simple .exe
[22:10] <santor> odd
[22:10] <Flare183> Anybody?
[22:11] <asn> Anyone who knows a bit of C and could answer a few questions of me? Please send me a PM.
[22:11] <santor> was it running simultaniously with windows?
[22:11] <Jack_Sparrow> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Boot_from_Windows_Bootloader_(NTLDR)_and_why
[22:11] <nemo_work> which reminds me.  question.  I need to verify that the evince bug referenced here: http://timesinker.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-does-evince-open-audio-device.html  and encountered on two computers running ubuntu by me is not a misconfiguration by me.   I'm hoping alsa + dmix should avoid locks - is there a nice page folks know of to go through and make sure everything is using alsa?
[22:11] <nemo_work> a checklist
[22:11] <Znuff> santor, no
[22:12] <nemo_work> that is the reason for the gksu fuser -k /dev/snd/pcm*  that I put into people's desktops
[22:12] <nemo_work> obviously killing the applications is not ideal
[22:12] <santor> did it run on a fat32 fromated drive?
[22:12] <santor> not sure how you would do that, i'm sure it could be done tho
[22:12] <nemo_work> Znuff: oh, right, there's that website with the installer
[22:12] <asn> pete83: I can't answer in PMs, because I'm not identified :(
[22:13] <Znuff> nemo_work, not Wubi
[22:13] <Znuff> santor, no dude, it was a simple concept
[22:13] <asn> pete83: but nice idea.
[22:13] <ekim|linux> Is there a ubuntu package for FUSE
[22:13] <ekim|linux> it is not in the default repos
[22:13] <Jack_Sparrow> !ntfs-3g
[22:13] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[22:13] <nemo_work> Znuff: well, maybe it was wubi underneat, but that wasn't the name of the website... had some slick little campaign
[22:13] <santor> hmmm search ubuntu install from exe
[22:14] <santor> on google
[22:14] <Znuff> santor, grub can boot .iso's. So basically this thing added a wingrub entry in boot.ini, that wingrub booted a normal iso and you could have installed ubuntu just like a normal cd-rom
[22:14] <oobe> gutsy comes with ntfs-3g pre loaded
[22:14] <Znuff> I googled enough :0
[22:14] <santor> ic
[22:14] <Jack_Sparrow> nemo_work: sounds like wubi or a clone version of it.. still unsafe to run ubuntu like that
[22:14] <Znuff> you don't RUN IT
[22:14] <Znuff> You just START THE INSTALLER!
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> ekim|linux: what version are you running?
[22:15] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: this actually did a dual boot
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> YEa
[22:15] <santor> and it then boots a cd image that does the installation
[22:15] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: although I'd agree I wouldn't want to do that
[22:15] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: would freak me out too much.
[22:15] <RockyR_> Hey kids
[22:15] <santor> why not just boot from a network drive and install it thatway
[22:16] <santor> or boot a floppy that installs from an ftp server
[22:16] <nemo_work> santor: yep, or use an external USB CDROM drive
[22:16] <ekim|linux> nevermind
[22:16] <ekim|linux> I found it
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> !install
[22:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[22:16] <Znuff> http://grub4dos.freespaces.com/
[22:16] <Znuff> it used this, grub4dos
[22:16] <nemo_work> santor: heck, I did that on one ancient server. USB1, 1x CDROM - was slooow, but better than mucking about with net boots :)
[22:17] <santor> its probably not arround anymore because its quite a backwards way to start a linux install
[22:17] <Lunks> Anyone tried to make a BartPE CD on Ubuntu?
[22:18] <doseryder> I'm having trouble with dmraid.  The raid set is visible under /dev/mapper/
[22:18] <Jack_Sparrow> !raid
[22:18] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[22:18] <oobe> !offtopic
[22:18] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter.  It's a perfectly valid way to start a linux install. You can start a linux install however you want to. Jesus christ... I've been using linux for more than 7 years and I'm not so closed minded like you.
[22:19] <Znuff> bye
[22:20] <nemo_work> sooo, before I run off, anyone have an opinion on the sound issue?
[22:20] <nemo_work> like, I really thought ALSA should avoid any locking problems.  so, a bit puzzled how firefox ends up getting a lock on /dev/snd/pcm*
[22:21] <parantbellum> hi all have a problem installing ubuntu on a (pretty) old machine, anyody fancy helping a noob understanding what's going on? :)
[22:21] <libnet-problem> where can i get libnet version 1.1.x
[22:21] <Jack_Sparrow> parantbellum: sure, what are the specs on that box
[22:21] <Mark761966> What's the command to find out which sound processes are currently running
[22:21] <pete83> Znuff: so you could use that to kickstart the ubuntu CD install on a system taht can't boot from CD?
[22:21] <nemo_work> Mark761966: fuser -v /dev/snd/pcm*
[22:22] <parantbellum> it's a darn laptop, toshiba satellite 4080
[22:22] <adac2> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found ...i get this when i try to load the ndiswrapper module (xubuntu gutsy) any ideas?
[22:22] <libnet-problem> how can i install libnet version 1.1.x i am on ubuntu
[22:22] <Jack_Sparrow> pete83: he dosent care.. he already knows it all
[22:22] <Mark761966> Dear God, Nemo. How the hell would anyone ever remember that!? =-O
[22:22] <nemo_work> Mark761966: well, that's why I made a wrapper for my mom that just kills off naughty processes
[22:23] <Mark761966> I just pasted it in terminal, Nemo, and got no answer
[22:23] <nemo_work> Mark761966: since, as noted in link above, firefox was misbehaving and giving evince a useless lock to sound
[22:23] <nemo_work> Mark761966: nothing has locks on your system then :-p
[22:23] <techqbert> what software can I use to dl streaming video to hd?
[22:23] <Mark761966> Then why isn't my sound working?
[22:23] <nemo_work> Mark761966: some other issue? :-p
[22:23] <Jack_Sparrow> !sound
[22:23] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:23] <libnet-problem> how can i install libnet version 1.1.x i am on ubuntu
[22:23] <javaJake> techqbert, what kind of video?
[22:23] <Mark761966> Well, it's not exactly not working
[22:24] <nemo_work> Mark761966: I see Jack_Sparrow gave you some links...
[22:24] <Mark761966> It just doesn't work in Pidgin
[22:24] <techqbert> javaJake: wmv
[22:24] <Jack_Sparrow> try the troubleshooting link..
[22:24] <javaJake> libnet-problem, sudo apt-get install libnet1
[22:24] <pete83> Jack_Sparrow: yes he seems to be pretty attached to his bootloader. Gosh, aren't we all...
[22:24] <Mark761966> Ah. It's back
[22:24] <javaJake> techqbert, wget :)
[22:24] <Mark761966> Hurrah
[22:24] <pike_> Mark761966: sorry i took it
[22:25] <Mark761966> Grr
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> pete83: :)
[22:25] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: the dmix link is broken.
[22:25] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Dmix <= correct page
[22:25] <javaJake> techqbert, actually, heh, nvm
[22:25] <Mark761966> If you do it again I'll wallop you :p
[22:25] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: anyway, alsa site claims is now default
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> noted
[22:25] <javaJake> techqbert, mencoder or mplayer would do it, however it is slightly complex
[22:26] <Mark761966> I've installed Firestarter. Was it worth the effort?
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: not unless you want to OPEN a specific port
[22:26] <MasterShrek> what effort? sudo apt-get install firestarter    doesnt really require any effort
[22:26] <oly-> hi, i have generated a gpg key on my laptop for launchpad, is there anyway i can transfer it to my desktop machine ?
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: It is not a firewall, just a gui iptable manager
[22:26] <Mark761966> Linux really is that safe?
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> !firewall
[22:27] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:27] <techqbert> javaJake: to no avail with wget.  doesn't support mmsh
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: Go to grc,com if you what to try shields-up test of your ports without it
[22:27] <javaJake> techqbert, no, I know, that's why I said "nvm"
[22:27] <MasterShrek> !virus
[22:27] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[22:27] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: that faq has some useful dmix advice though. thanks
[22:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: You stand more of a chance of leaving something open if you manage them yourself
[22:28] <nemo_work> Jack_Sparrow: going to try the ossmix suggestion for example to see if Ogle becomes less annoying
[22:28] <Jack_Sparrow> nemo_work: np
[22:28] <Mark761966> Okay
[22:28] <asymptote> i have a wine question
[22:29] <asymptote> how do you start an application after it has been installed with wine ?
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: I know, it goes against the whole windows mentality.. It took me awhile too....  I also installed firestarter etc..
[22:29] <Mark761966> Yeah, it is kind of hard to get used to, Jack
[22:29] <asymptote> I installed Battlefield 1942 seamlessly but I don't know where to go to actually start Battlefield 1942
[22:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Mark761966: You will come to love it
[22:29] <Mark761966> :D
[22:30] <Jack_Sparrow> .\wine
[22:30] <asymptote> Jack can you clarify a little please
[22:30] <pike_> asymptote: wine stuff is in ~/.wine/drive_c
[22:30] <Jack_Sparrow> asymptote: sorry, I just dont use or suggest wine...
[22:31] <asymptote> see this is strange
[22:31] <asymptote> I don't see anything in drive_c
[22:31] <Jack_Sparrow> pike_: thanks
[22:31] <asymptote> other than Program Files
[22:31] <pike_> asymptote: liar!
[22:31] <asymptote> and Windows
[22:31] <asymptote> pike_ lol
[22:31] <asymptote> pike_ there's nothing in Program Files
[22:31] <PrimoTurbo> What umask do I need to use to make a NTFS drive read and write?
[22:31] <asymptote> pike_ even if I type ls -a
[22:31] <pike_> asymptote: run maybe winecfg and check path i dont have alot of exp with wine other than getting a few games working
[22:32] <asymptote> pike_ after you installed a game, how did you get it to start ?
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> pike_: Is this right?  from term/cli   wine notepad
[22:32] <Mark761966> https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?rh1dkyd2
[22:33] <mok0> Is there a way to choose an LVM filesystem when installing ubuntu?
[22:33] <pike_> asymptote: drive_c is pretty much like c:\ i just navigated to program files\Eve\ Online or whatever and ran the executable like wine eve.exe  <-- i dont really play eve but as an example
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> pike_: I cant bvelieve people would run wine knowing it has free access to the internet
[22:33] <buzzsaw> i did an apt-get on something now how do i file its file folders?
[22:33] <asymptote> pike_ i understand that but as I said - there's nothing in there
[22:33] <asymptote> pike_ and I know battlefield 1942 installed because when I re-ran wine with the installer file
[22:33] <PrimoTurbo> guys, what umask can I use to make a folder read, write and executiable
[22:33] <asymptote> pike_ it prompted me to UNinstall 1942
[22:34] <asymptote> pike_ indicating that it was already there
[22:34] <Mark761966> I appear to have failed the common ports test
[22:34] <Ruud> Can anybody assist me editing the fstab file? I am having difficulties with the permissions!
[22:35] <javaJake> !firestarter | Mark761966
[22:35] <ubotu> Mark761966: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[22:35] <javaJake> Mark761966, use firestarter, and configure it to block ICMP stuff too. That'll do the trick. :)
[22:35] <santor> asymptote: look in the kde or gnome applications menu, which ever applies to you, then click wine, it should have its own sub menu, in it would be programs then bf 1942
[22:35] <Robotchicken1886> does anyone here have any experiance with aircrack
[22:35] <javaJake> Robotchicken1886, yes
[22:35] <Robotchicken1886> ok so here is my problem
[22:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Robotchicken1886: Please dont bring that in here
[22:35] <Robotchicken1886> oh
[22:35] <Robotchicken1886> .....
[22:36] <Robotchicken1886> any suggestions
[22:36] <javaJake> Robotchicken1886, visit #aircrack-ng
[22:36] <javaJake> Robotchicken1886, I'll meet you there
[22:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Robotchicken1886: Pay for your own access
[22:36] <Robotchicken1886> k
[22:37] <Mark761966> Should I allow any ICMP packet types?
[22:37] <Ruud> anybody here who knows how to manualy edit the fstab file?
[22:37] <buttercups> Jack_Sparrow, get yourself straight please, aircrack is available in our repos good buddy
[22:37] <Jack_Sparrow> buttercups: since when
[22:38] <Jack_Sparrow> Let me check.. When was cracking a wireless system included in our repos
[22:38] <javaJake> Robotchicken1886, type "/join #aircrack-ng" without quotes to join the channel
[22:38] <buttercups> Jack_Sparrow, since forever
[22:38] <Jack_Sparrow> !aircrack
[22:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:38] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: The Gparted live cd was unable to read the drives (at least gparted couldn't) I used the ubuntu cd instead.....
[22:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud:  ok...  I had trouble with the latest glive and went back a few to get one that worked
[22:39] <javaJake> !aircrack-ng
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aircrack-ng - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Ok, so it wasn't just me :P
[22:39] <Mark761966> I selected address masking. Is that wise?
[22:40] <StoneNote> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php
[22:40] <Jack_Sparrow> It may be in the repos    but I hate to see it supported in here.
[22:41] <StoneNote> it is in the repos.  aircrack and aircarck-ng
[22:42] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Now I'm trying to get the 2 new partitions mounted, adding them to fstab. But I get the message the I cannot access the drives contents after I've mounted it. I don't understand because the drive itself had no such restrictions ::S
[22:42] <StoneNote> in universe
[22:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: are they ntfs partitions.
[22:42] <Ruud> nope ext3
[22:43] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: I have no windows installed :P Trying linux as only OS
[22:43] <B-rabbit> guyz does anyone know if backtrack needs installing if i use it via virtual box?
[22:44] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: But I am new to linux though and I find all these thinks a little hard to figure out when they don't work the first time because I still think windows style....
[22:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: You might post your fstab so we can see it....to the pastebin please
[22:45] <libnet-problem> how can i find where is libnet path
[22:45] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: what is the pastebin? (new to irc as well)
[22:45] <libnet-problem> how can i find where is libnet path
[22:46] <yakov> hey
[22:46] <Jack_Sparrow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[22:46] <goIdbIade> hey guys, i just got an Asus laptop recently (V1J) and am installing Kubuntu on it... a few things dont work out of the box so i wondered if anyone had any advice - the WLAN+bluetooth button doesn't function (both remain on all the time), and the webcam does not work
[22:46] <goIdbIade> ie, its not detected
[22:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: then you post the link it gives you in here so we can go find it
[22:46] <yakov> have anybody successfully enabled hibernate/sleep on macbook 2007 with Gutsy? :(
[22:46] <Jack_Sparrow> !bluetooth
[22:46] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[22:46] <Jack_Sparrow> !webcam
[22:46] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[22:46] <Jack_Sparrow> gold
[22:47] <Jack_Sparrow> sorry
[22:47] <libnet-problem> how can i find where is libnet path
[22:47] <goIdbIade> note: bluetooth works, but the shortcut button is what im having problems with
[22:47] <caleb_> what is the keyboard shortcut for desktop cube?
[22:47] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46051/ (line 15 is the partition I want to mount)
[22:47] <Jack_Sparrow> libnet-problem: what program are you installing that needs it.. and I assume it is not from our repos
[22:47] <pdm_> is there a way to activate\disactivate rams ????
[22:47] <goIdbIade> why would you want to? :/
[22:47] <yakov> !macbook
[22:47] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[22:47] <pdm_> goIdbIade, to me?
[22:48] <goIdbIade> yeah
[22:48] <CochiseIRL> is there anyway to shutdown a windows pc over a network using ubuntu, preferably from the cli
[22:48] <kdubois> caleb, default is control-alt-left
[22:48] <pdm_> goIdbIade, i can see only 1 ram i dont know why the other is not detcted
[22:48] <libnet-problem> but where is the path to libnet
[22:48] <santor> CochisIRL: can you access the computer in person to set this up before hand
[22:48] <goIdbIade> aha
[22:49] <CochiseIRL> santor, yes
[22:49] <caleb_> kdubois: that just flips the screen for me
[22:49] <santor> because you could install a ssh server on windows
[22:49] <goIdbIade> is this just in ubuntu?
[22:49] <santor> and logon
[22:49] <libnet-problem> how can i find where is libnet path
[22:49] <santor> then use hte shutdown command
[22:49] <pdm_> goIdbIade, also in windows
[22:49] <Lunar_Lamp_> How can I specify a prefered wireless card? I have one built into my laptop, but I want to use my USB one when it is present.  How do I configure this behaviour automatically?
[22:49] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: The "user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 " part came from a how to. This actually doesn't work. If I replace it by defaults, then it does! But I still can't write to the disk :S
[22:49] <goIdbIade> pdm_: bios?
[22:49] <goIdbIade> id try each stick individually and see if one is broken
[22:49] <kdubois> caleb_, you need to increase the desktop size from 2 to 4 in ccsm, if you're using compiz fusion.
[22:50] <pdm_> goIdbIade, in my bios there is not the option to activate\disactivate ram slots, is ther in your??
[22:50] <goIdbIade> no
[22:50] <Iwanowitch> Help with broadcom card requested. I followed various HOWTOs (including compiling ndiswrapper by hand) but it doesn't seem to work. Scanning doesn't work, neither does connecting. I've had it working in a previous install on another co;puter.
[22:50] <goIdbIade> hence my astonishment at the suggestion
[22:50] <caleb_> kdubois: ccsm??
[22:50] <Arinomi> How can I save my audio settings?  This some new package?
[22:51] <pdm_> goIdbIade, the pc is ok with the ram in one slot, with the ram in the other slot doesnt start
[22:51] <javaJake> Arinomi, Applications -> Preferences -> Sound
[22:51] <santor> pdm_: same stick in diff slots?
[22:51] <goIdbIade> so you have 2 sticks of memory... try one stick in the first slot on its own, then swap it with the other stick... then repeat this with the 2nd slot
[22:51] <pdm_> santor, yes
[22:51] <YeTr2_> Iwanowitch: install build-essentials and module-assistant
[22:51] <javaJake> Arinomi, for the login window sound (you know, when your computer is ready to login) see Applications -> System -> Login Window
[22:52] <YeTr2_> Iwanowitch: you might need to check my spelling
[22:52] <Arinomi> Ok, thanks
[22:52] <goIdbIade> if it fails when you swap the ram, its bad ram or incompatible ram... if it fails only when you swap slots, it could be the mobo.
[22:52] <caleb_> kdubois: how do you set it from 2 to 4 on the ccsm?
[22:52] <pdm_> goIdbIade, what is the mobo?
[22:52] <saurdo> anyone got a link to a good tutorial on installing beryl on ubuntu gutsy?
[22:52] <goIdbIade> motherboard sorry
[22:52] <YeTr2_> Iwanowitch: after you get module-assistant installed, you should just beable to run `sudo m-a a-i ndiswrapper` and it will setup and install ndiswrapper for you.
[22:52] <djangelo> caleb_, you should try adding more desktops using SYTEM --> PREFERENCES --> ADVANCED DESKTOP SETTINGS
[22:52] <santor> either the motherboard is bad or the motherboard is really sensitive to not quite top shape ram
[22:52] <libnet-problem> how can i find where is libnet path
[22:52] <santor> i've seen ram do wierd things
[22:52] <robdig> !beryl | saurdo
[22:52] <ubotu> saurdo: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:53] <libnet-problem> i am tryin to install and i need libnet path
[22:53] <libnet-problem> is it whereis libnet to find the path
[22:53] <pdm_> santor, in which way can i know if is the slot or motherboard?
[22:53] <wabiD> dont you need to install the advanced desktop effects before it shows up in settings
[22:53] <caleb_> djangelo: i'm there, now what?
[22:53] <santor> try more than one stick in the slot
[22:53] <Iwanowitch> YeTr2_: I'll be trying, thanks.
[22:53] <djangelo> well..
[22:53] <santor> up to there sticks if you can
[22:53] <saurdo> robdig, but compiz is a toned down version of beryl from what i've seen :(
[22:53] <libnet-problem> i am tryin to install and i need libnet path
[22:53] <libnet-problem> is it whereis libnet to find the path
[22:54] <djangelo> go to the top of all the settings in general options
[22:54] <santor> * three sticks
[22:54] <pdm_> santor, one slot is ok with 2 sticks, and one is not with anything
[22:54] <santor> bad ram slot
[22:54] <Jack_Sparrow> !repeat | libnet-problem
[22:54] <ubotu> libnet-problem: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:54] <djangelo> caleb_, go to the top of all the settings in general options
[22:54] <santor> is there any signs of physical damage?
[22:54] <pdm_> santor, is possible to change only one slot ram?
[22:54] <pdm_> santor, no, no physical damage
[22:54] <santor> no, you have to replace motherboard
[22:54] <djangelo> caleb_,  and then try the 3rd TAB wich is "DESKTOP SIZE"
[22:55] <pdm_> santor, i ve also clean contacts, but noway
[22:55] <caleb_> djangelo: I followed this, got it to work: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/help-with-compiz-fusion-3d-cube-on-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-594073/ ty
[22:55] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Did you see the link sent a few minutes ago?
[22:55] <pdm_> santoro, motherboards whole????????
[22:55] <nemo_home> oh. guys
[22:55] <djangelo> caleb_,  and adjust horizontal virtual size to 4.... and also number of desktops to 4
[22:55] <nemo_home> I just remembered what that dude earlier was probably thinking of
[22:55] <goIdbIade> caleb_: that sure is a long link :p
[22:55] <nemo_home> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/  <- not wubi
[22:55] <nemo_home> not wubi, but also, better not be attached to your windows partition :)
[22:56] <santor> if there are no signs of physical damage or dirty contacts then i'd replace motherboard, cause failures like that usually cascade
[22:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: sorry, was in conversation in #Ubuntu-ops room ...  no didnt see it
[22:56] <santor> motherboard is one piece
[22:56] <djangelo> caleb_, thats great! way to go then
[22:56] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46051/ (line 15 is the partition I want to mount)
[22:56] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: The "user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 " part came from a how to. This actually doesn't work. If I replace it by defaults, then it does! But I still can't write to the disk :S
[22:56] <YeTr2_> Iwanowitch: module-assistant build-essential
[22:56] <libnet-problem> is it whereis libnet to find the path
[22:56] <pdm_> santor, is much expensive a motherboard?
[22:57] <libnet-problem> how can i find path to libnet
[22:57] <libnet-problem> i asked 100000 times
[22:57] <santor> depends on what you want the computer to do
[22:57] <santor> bout 100 to 200 for a modern one
[22:57] <santor> say dual core 64 bit processor
[22:57] <santor> check new egg.com
[22:57] <neverblue> in /lib ?
[22:57] <jc> libnet-problem:  what are you trying to do?
[22:58] <YeTr2_> libnet-problem: `locate -i libnet`
[22:58] <libnet-problem> to install a program it needs
[22:58]  * goIdbIade is dead impressed that Kubuntu worked out of the box for his wireless and audio, even if a few small things dont work
[22:58] <santor> pdm_: how much experience do you have inside a computer
[22:58] <libnet-problem> i am tryin to install a program it needs path like this  --with-libnet=DIR
[22:58] <pdm_> santor, normal
[22:58] <SyncopatedFool> are there any gtk utilities for searching for wireless networks to connect to, similar to wirelessassistant?
[22:58] <goIdbIade> install libnet first then.
[22:59] <jc> libnet-problem:  /usr/lib    more than likely....
[22:59] <pdm_> santor, but this slot ram getting bed with no reason
[22:59] <pdm_> santor, is it possible?
[22:59] <santor> yea
[22:59] <goIdbIade> electronics.
[22:59] <goIdbIade> anything is possible.
[22:59] <santor> electronics breat for no reason
[22:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: sorry, very distracted atm
[22:59] <libnet-problem> --with-libnet=/usr/lib     i just do this
[22:59] <jc> libnet-problem:  Are you trying to install from source?  ...some application?
[22:59] <libnet-problem> yes
[22:59] <goIdbIade> i had a supervisor at work once who was adamant that cpus couldnt stop working as there are no moving parts. rofl.
[22:59] <neverblue> libnet-problem, what app are you attempting to install ?
[22:59] <libnet-problem> its from source
[22:59] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Should I repeat again?
[22:59] <santor> if you don't have much money use it without that ram stick and see if it keeps working
[23:00] <jc> libnet-problem: And what application would that be?
[23:00] <mneptok> libnet-problem: you don't need libnet. you need libnet-devel
[23:00] <nemo_home> goIdbIade: that'll save me a lot of money on fans
[23:00] <nemo_home> goIdbIade: darn things are indestructible
[23:00] <jc> libnet-problem: (Might help us give you better info)
[23:00] <santor> from my experience when things stop working for no reason on the motherboard it usually keeps happening
[23:00] <santor> so if you keep running it i wouldn't be supprised if the other ram slot died within a month or so
[23:00] <neverblue> funny, we ask one question, and he zips up :)
[23:01] <Ruud> Is there anybody here who knows about the fstab file and how I can get the mounted volumes to be writable??
[23:01] <nemo_home> goIdbIade: perhaps he meant less susceptible to mechanical stress failure
[23:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: no one sec
[23:01] <libnet-problem> checking for libnet... configure: error: libnet.h or libnet.a not found in /usr/lib
[23:01] <mneptok> libnet-problem: you don't need libnet. you need libnet-devel
[23:01] <aldur> lo
[23:01] <pdm_> santor, pc is much more slow with one ram, it can damage the other one???
[23:01] <jc> libnet-problem: Be sure and read INSTALL and README for more clues.
[23:01] <neverblue> Ruud, what type of partition is it ?
[23:01] <aldur> !dvd
[23:01]  * goIdbIade 's brain rots
[23:01] <neverblue> libnet-problem, what app are you attempting to install ?
[23:01] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:01] <jc> libnet-problem: locate libnet.h
[23:01] <ICQnumber_> what is "EOF" sign?
[23:01] <Ruud> neverblue: primary ext3
[23:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdb2
[23:02] <kitche> ICQnumber_: End of File usually
[23:02] <libnet-problem>  locate libnet.h
[23:02] <libnet-problem> @matrix:~$ it goes to promt nothings shows
[23:02] <neverblue> Ruud, sudo nano /etc/fstab, add an entry, then try 'sudo mount -a' to confirm the mount is syntically correct
[23:02] <ICQnumber_> kitche, as sign!
[23:02]  * mneptok stares at libnet-problem
[23:02] <santor> when things start going bad on a motherboard it usually doesn't stop wiht one thing
[23:02] <kitche> ICQnumber_: what do you mean as sign?
[23:02] <void^> libnet-problem: libnet0-dev or libnet1-dev
[23:02]  * neverblue looks over mneptok's shoulder as well
[23:02] <santor> the parts on a motherboard are all interconnected and communicate with each other
[23:03] <ICQnumber_> kitche, character
[23:03] <goIdbIade> ive had a motherboard take out a psu and even the fuse... and saw another that would eat psus.
[23:03] <libnet-problem> you can assist me jc
[23:03] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: sudo vol_id -u /dev/sdb2
[23:03] <mneptok> libnet-problem: i have now told you the solution twice. and all you have said in response is to paste existing errors.
[23:03] <libnet-problem>  locate libnet.h
[23:03] <ICQnumber_> what is the EOF-character or key combination
[23:03] <kitche> ICQnumber_: umm there isn't one ^D, ^ is ctrl  if that's what you mean
[23:03] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: oops
[23:03] <neverblue> ICQnumber_, in which program/context ?
[23:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: did that give you your uuid to setup that drive
[23:03] <pdm_> santor, thks a lot, i have to do a present x me at christmas
[23:04] <void^> perhaps even libnet6-1.3-dev (what a generic name..)
[23:04] <pdm_> santor, a motherboars
[23:04] <mneptok> void^: that's the one
[23:04] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Yes it did! Should I just copy one of the lines above?
[23:04] <ICQnumber_> neverblue, for example for the "car > test" command
[23:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: that should do it
[23:04] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: in the fstab
[23:04] <jc> libnet-problem: find /usr/ -name "libnet.h"
[23:04] <mneptok> void^: any bets on if he actually listens? ;)
[23:04] <santor> pdm_: no problem
[23:04] <ICQnumber_> cat*
[23:04] <mneptok> jc: that's not the answer
[23:04] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Thanks :) I'll try!
[23:04] <Jack_Sparrow> good luck
[23:05] <mneptok> jc: please see my previous comments
[23:05] <neverblue> ICQnumber_, EOF ?
[23:05] <libnet-problem> find /usr/ -name "libnet.h"
[23:05] <libnet-problem> /usr/include/libnet.h
[23:05] <keen_> can gimp open cs3 psd files?
[23:05] <[BarteFLAY]> ciao a tutti
[23:05] <santor> then the libnet dir is /usr/include/
[23:05] <jc> libnet-problem: Have you considered what mneptok has said?  (He seems to have information he's tried to share with you.)
[23:05] <mneptok> *sigh*
[23:05] <[BarteFLAY]> !list
[23:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[23:05] <SyncopatedFool> are there any gtk utilities for searching for wireless networks to connect to, similar to wirelessassistant?
[23:06]  * neverblue pats mneptok on the back, dont take it personally :)
[23:06] <keen_> guess nobody knows
[23:06] <santor> ubotu: what is it that women want?
[23:06] <santor> well
[23:06] <nemo_home> SyncopatedFool: wifi-radar
[23:06] <DorkSide> Hey, on one of my comps, i did switch users, and now the screen is black when i start it up
[23:06] <nemo_home> SyncopatedFool: my fave
[23:06] <santor> i guess he's not all knowing then
[23:06] <ndz> an ld
[23:06] <PriceChild> !offtopic | santor
[23:06] <ubotu> santor: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:06] <DorkSide> please help
[23:06] <nemo_home> SyncopatedFool: use it on my mom's ubuntu laptop
[23:06] <MystaMax> SyncopatedFool, networkmanager doesn't work for you?
[23:06] <ICQnumber_> neverblue, just to type EOF?
[23:07] <jc> libnet-problem: install  libnet-devel
[23:07] <nemo_home> MystaMax: has it gotten better? it used to suck.
[23:07] <kitche> ICQnumber_: EOF should work when using cat or just press ctrl+d
[23:07] <jc> libnet-problem: sudo apt-get install libnet-devel
[23:07] <MystaMax> nemo_home, I can't say, as it has never sucked for me...
[23:07] <neverblue> ICQnumber_, please explain your question more clearly, hopefully stating an example...
[23:07] <mneptok> jc: sudo apt-get install libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:07] <Flare183> kde-look is down?
[23:07] <mneptok> libnet-problem: sudo apt-get install libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:07] <mneptok> libnet-problem: sudo apt-get install libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:07] <mneptok> libnet-problem: sudo apt-get install libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:08] <nemo_home> MystaMax: hm. was never able to get it to properly detect networks, nor sign onto WPA2 secure networks by passphrase as opposed to hex
[23:08] <libnet-problem> it could not find libnet-devel
[23:08] <mneptok> ^^^  SEE THAT ? ^^^^^^
[23:08] <Flare183> !paste | mnetptok
[23:08] <ubotu> mnetptok: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:08] <nemo_home> MystaMax: so. switched to wifi-radar
[23:08] <nemo_home> Flare183: mneptok is just expressing frustration with a fool...
[23:08] <saurdo> where can i set the number of workspaces?
[23:08] <SyncopatedFool> MystaMax: Trying to install at home, at library right now, do not have QT/KDE installed at home, need something GTK based
[23:08] <Flare183> wow
[23:08] <jc> mneptok: Ok:  libnet6-1.3-dev - Network access framework for IPv4/IPv6 - development files
[23:08] <MystaMax> SyncopatedFool, NM isn't QT based
[23:08] <PriceChild> saurdo, right click the workspace display bottom right next to the trash can
[23:08] <jeffimix> saurdo: reight click on that nifty gnome applet that lets you switch and hit properries
[23:08] <jc> libnet-problem: sudo apt-get install libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:08] <Flare183> kde-look is down?
[23:09] <MystaMax> SyncopatedFool, you can also try wicd. http://wicd.sourceforge.net
[23:09] <PriceChild> saurdo, choose preferences then all is simple
[23:09] <kitche> Flare183: also mneptok is a canonical person :) just so you know
[23:09] <jeffimix> oh heck I've been doing windows troubleshooting for too long
[23:09] <SyncopatedFool> MystaMax: Oops, Networkmanager not network assistant :-)
[23:09] <saurdo> thanks pricechild and jeffimix
[23:09] <jeffimix> ^_^
[23:09] <mneptok> kitche: which is why it's *really* frustrating when people don't listen when they ask for help. ;)
[23:09] <ICQnumber_> kitche, control +d do work ty, but how to do it with EOF
[23:10] <aldur> !detect hardware
[23:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about detect hardware - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:10] <kitche> ICQnumber_: just type EOF on a line by itself
[23:10] <Flare183> ohh sorry about that
[23:10] <MystaMax> Network Manager is not QT based, and does search for broadcasted SSIDs very well. Haven't used it w/ WPA2 but works great w/ WPA
[23:10] <libnet-problem> yes i installed
[23:10] <jeffimix> !lspci
[23:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:10] <libnet-problem> i still get that error
[23:10] <nemo_home> MystaMax: hm. you're referring to the gnome network manager?
[23:10] <libnet-problem> checking for libnet... configure: error: libnet.h or libnet.a not found in /usr/libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:10] <mneptok> libnet-problem: what is the source code you're trying to compile.
[23:10] <aldur> anyone know how to get ubuntu (latest release) to detect the dvd drive comes up as cd rom
[23:10] <SyncopatedFool> wicd actually looks perfect, i run xfce
[23:10] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: I got the drive mounted but it is still read only. Could it perhaps be permissions as set on /var or /var/www ???
[23:10] <Flare183> anybody know of any karamba theme sites?
[23:11] <nemo_home> MystaMax: If so, when I tried it last, was 2006-12 - and it just did not work correctly at all.  but, perhaps has improved
[23:11] <ICQnumber_> kitche, and then, does not seems to work
[23:11] <kitche> ICQnumber_: hmm works here just fine
[23:11] <MystaMax> nemo_home, only way to know is to try :)
[23:11] <libnet-problem> checking for libnet... configure: error: libnet.h or libnet.a not found in /usr/libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:11] <jc> aldur: Doesn't matter that it calls it CDROM
[23:11] <kitche> ICQnumber_: hang on a second
[23:11] <aldur> can't get vlc to play a dvd
[23:11] <MystaMax> SyncopatedFool, I've never used wicd, let me know how you like it. People speak highly of it
[23:11] <mneptok> libnet-problem: one last time before i give up on you. what is the source code you're trying to compile?
[23:11] <nemo_home> MystaMax: no wireless card. mom's machine is thousands of kilometres away - but I'll add to things to think about :-p
[23:11] <aldur> doesn;t load a disk icon on desktop
[23:12] <jc> aldur: Try xine
[23:12] <jeffimix> aldur: install the css decryptor if you lvie in a country with a DMCA style law
[23:12] <jeffimix> without
[23:12] <jeffimix> without
[23:12] <MasterShrek> libnet-problem, im not on ubuntu, but is there a packacge called libnet-dev or soemthing?
[23:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: try gksudo nautilus
[23:12]  * mneptok calls the cops on jeffimix
[23:12] <libnet-problem> its a source which requires libnet-1.1.x
[23:12] <kitche> ICQnumber_: are you doing this cat > file << "EOF" then EOF should work that way
[23:12] <Centaur5> if the /dev/ttyHSF0 file doesn't exist how can I create it?
[23:12] <ICQnumber_> kitche, well, i have a file "test", so i type "cat > test", then i can enter text... and EOF is just recognized as text!
[23:12] <MasterShrek> nvm...
[23:12]  * MasterShrek scrolls up
[23:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: then exit asap.. that can be very dangerous..
[23:13] <kitche> ICQnumber_: do this cat > test << "EOF"
[23:13] <aldur> xine not available
[23:13] <nemo_home> mneptok: have you considered that libnet-problem might not be a fool, but rather a troll?
[23:13] <jc> libnet-problem: Did you install libnet6-1.3-dev   yet?
[23:13] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: I am able to change everything when I do that, tried that myself already :P
[23:13] <libnet-problem> yes done
[23:13] <libnet-problem> i installed libnet6-1.3-de
[23:13] <mneptok> nemo_home: oooo ... a pessimist! ;)
[23:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: so only need to set permissions on that partition?
[23:14] <aldur> found gxine
[23:14] <libnet-problem> you can help me jc never mind the others
[23:14] <MystaMax> aldur, its not necessary to install xine to play dvds
[23:14] <ikonia> libnet-problem: ask the question
[23:14] <jc> libnet-problem: I dono;  Maybe  libconf and / or depmod -a
[23:14] <jeffimix> so there seem to be two orinoco drivers, as my internal orinoco card won't do everything my cardbus orinoco card will, anyone got a good idea?
[23:14] <kitche> ICQnumber_: then EOF will be recongized on a line by itself to close the file for writing
[23:14] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: I think I can write to that partition if it is not mounted on that point the mount point is also read only for me when nothing is mounted in there
[23:14] <ICQnumber_> kitche, well now it do work too
[23:15] <nemo_home> mneptok: did he at any point say what he is compiling? (just a tad curious)
[23:15] <libnet-problem> i am tryin to install from a source, i need libnet 1.1.x  i installed libnet6-1.3-de  still does't work
[23:15] <jc> libnet-problem: did you first do make  ?
[23:15] <ikonia> libnet-problem: can you expand on that, define not work
[23:15] <libnet-problem> nope i do first ./configure
[23:15] <ikonia> libnet-problem: what are you trying to build from source and why
[23:15] <jc> libnet-problem: What are you installing?   (What tarball did you download? From where?)
[23:15] <jeffimix> mayhaps "sh autogen.sh" will help then
[23:16] <kitche> ICQnumber_: you need to use ctrl+d the way you were doing it but with << "EOF" at the end of the cat command it can use EOF to End of File
[23:16] <jaym> is the slab menu available for gutsy?
[23:16] <jc> libnet-problem: Have you first checked to see that the application or package is not in Ubuntu repositories?
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: UUID=1444ff64-a296-4604-a859-dfd31ac2bb11 /media/sdb2           ext3    defaults        0       2  but with your uuid.. is that what you mean
[23:17] <ICQnumber_> kitche, yes, ty, does it work for u by default with adding "<< eof"?
[23:17] <libnet-problem> nevermind this is so compliated with linux
[23:17] <nemo_home> Jack_Sparrow: nifty, you can do that?
[23:17] <jaym> is the slab menu available for gutsy?
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Ruud: I still dont have a full grip of the uuid thing..
[23:17] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: may I help ?
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> please
[23:17] <nemo_home> Jack_Sparrow: I thought you had to use devfs
[23:17] <nemo_home> er udev
[23:17] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: quick summary please.
[23:17] <kitche> ICQnumber_: yes that's whow I use cat if I want to write a file sicne I use cat > file << "EOF" all the time when I built LFS machines
[23:18] <jc> libnet-problem: If you will tell us what you are trying to do, we will be able to help you more effectively.
[23:18] <MasterShrek> libnet-problem, what are you compiling? its probably already avaiable as an ubuntu package
[23:18] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: wants write access... uuid was wrong   and mount point questionable.. uuid is now right
[23:18] <nemo_home> jc: good luck with that line of inquiry. he's been asked that question about 12 times I think
[23:18] <void^> libnet-problem: why did you make it search in /usr/libnet6-1.3-dev? why aren't you replying to simple questions? ..
[23:18] <MasterShrek> if you would answer some of the questions being asked to you, youd probably already have it installed
[23:18] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: ok, so you've got it sorted
[23:18] <Ruud> Jack_Sparrow: Euhm I was checking and the only partitions I can write to is the /home partition. The other partition that I had from install (/dev/sda3 -> /media/data) is also not writable without sudo
[23:19] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: please double check it
[23:19] <ICQnumber_> kitche, thank you
[23:19] <libnet-problem>  i am tryin to install from source a network program it requres libnet1.1.x
[23:19] <ikonia> Ruud: can you give me a quick summary of what you've done
[23:19] <jc> libnet-problem:  If your primary language is not English, there are other Ubuntu channels for other languages...
[23:19] <ikonia> libnet-problem: what probram is it
[23:19] <MasterShrek> libnet-problem, what netowrk program?!
[23:19] <ikonia> libnet-problem: the only reason your not telling us is because its a cracking program ?
[23:19] <libnet-problem> checking for libnet... configure: error: libnet.h or libnet.a not found in /usr/libnet6-1.3-dev
[23:19] <MystaMax> assumptions...
[23:19] <jeffimix> I've always been a cryptcat fan
[23:20] <nemo_home> ikonia: super leet program called nmap :)
[23:20] <ikonia> libnet-problem: what program are you tryin gto install !
[23:20] <MasterShrek> heh
[23:20] <MystaMax> well thats that
[23:20] <aldur> can not detect dvd or cdrom now no entry in /dev/ directory
[23:20] <jeffimix> actually anyone know any good smurf programs, I kinda need one for a school project (I'm getting a computer networking degree)
[23:20] <libnet-problem> why you even bann me
[23:20] <Ruud> ikonia: I am trying to mount a new partition for my development webserver. I installed apache2.2 and in its wwwroot (/var/www) I mounted the new partition /dev/sdb2
[23:20] <libnet-problem> i am tryin to install a program and you bann me
[23:20] <goIdbIade> oh god
[23:21] <nemo_home> pretty noisy for a banned person
[23:21] <goIdbIade> rofl
[23:21] <libnet-problem> don't give me that attitude
[23:21] <MasterShrek> libnet-problem, tell us what program it is
[23:21] <MystaMax> lol
[23:21] <libnet-problem> you are really crossin a line
[23:21] <Ruud> ikonia: # /dev/sdb2
[23:21] <Ruud> UUID=0673ed49-c661-492d-803c-7916500bf3dd /var/www        ext3    defaults   0   0
[23:21] <LjL> libnet-problem: because you're being a troll and wasting people's time without replying to their very basic questions in order to help you. stop this now.
[23:21] <ikonia> LjL: again please.
[23:21] <ikonia> Ruud: that looks pretty reasonable
[23:21] <jc> libnet-problem:  Just ask your questions.  Don't argue.  Arguments will do no one any good.
[23:21] <Iwanowitch> YeTr2_: Blergh, it gives compile errors.
[23:22] <aldur> !dvd
[23:22] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[23:22] <Ruud> but I cannot write to the partition, unless I sudo somthing :P
[23:22] <Iwanowitch> YeTr2_: INIT_WORK undeclared or something.
[23:22] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, can we look at the permissions please with "ls -la "
[23:22] <LjL> libnet-problem, *you* are crossing a line. if you want support, please answer people's questions about your problem *thoroughly* and *accurately*, otherwise, get out of here.
[23:22] <MystaMax> Ruud, you just need to change permissions on the drive, right?
[23:22] <aldur> ruud try sudo chown ruud:ruud /var/www
[23:22] <xTheGoat121x> afternon all
[23:22] <syngin001> is anyone familiar with the issue of external usb drives going into read only mode and have a solution or workaround?
[23:23] <ikonia> syngin001: what file system ?
[23:23] <syngin001> ext3
[23:23] <ikonia> aldur: don't tell him to change permissions without understanding whats there
[23:23] <jc> syngin001: You should be able to remount rw
[23:23] <ikonia> syngin001: are you being asked for a consistancy check at all ?
[23:23] <syngin001> when it mounts on boot it's rw
[23:23] <Ruud> ikonia: I'll man chon before using it ;)
[23:23] <Khufu> ciao
[23:24] <ikonia> Ruud: what are the current permissions
[23:24] <syngin001> consistancey check, don't think so
[23:24] <ikonia> Ruud: don't chown anything yet, lets see what you have
[23:24] <xTheGoat121x> It seems that my CPU in Ubuntu runs approximately 10 degrees higher than it does in XP.... what might be the cause of that?
[23:24] <jc> mount -o rw,remount /mount/point/here
[23:24] <aldur> ikonia oops though it was a blank partition
[23:24] <ikonia> syngin001: fsck -n it just to check what state its in
[23:24] <nemo_home> syngin001: other folks are having fun with this, but I'd be cruious to know if there's any output on dmesg and if verbose lsusb has anything unusual in drive ID
[23:24] <jc> syngin001: mount -o rw,remount /mount/point/here
[23:24] <ikonia> aldur: it could be, but chowning it won't allow apache to see it
[23:24]  * LjL has gone away (bbl)
[23:25] <LjL> oops sorry for the away msg
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[23:25] <ExalleR> how do you fet permission to change etc\apt\sources.list?    running ubuntu 7.10
[23:25] <Pod_Man> hey anyone here using thinkfinger?
[23:25] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: http://www.lesswatts.org/ just as a random guess
[23:25] <jc> ExalleR: sudo
[23:25] <syngin001> ok jc, i'll give this a try, btw, what i do when it goes read-only, is umount the drive, then run fsck and remount , this solves the probls but im just getting a pain in my ass doing it
[23:25] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: another thing to consider is just how many different services and fun toys you are using
[23:25] <Jack_Sparrow> ExalleR: gksudo gedit blah
[23:25] <Ruud> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46052/
[23:25] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: like, is there a lot of stuff sucking up CPU.
[23:26] <xTheGoat121x> nemo_home, very true, but I'm talking strictly when the CPU is idle.
[23:26] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: "linux" and "windows" are huge magesteria
[23:26] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, so there is the problem. Ruud we need to change the permissions and the owner
[23:26] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: oh. is this a laptop? laptops do allow downclocking CPU during idle. maybe that isn't enabled
[23:26] <ikonia> Ruud: I suggest you change it to "your user" and "your group" and 775 permissions
[23:26] <DorkSide> hey, how do you fix the switch users problem?
[23:26] <aldur> ikonia I chowned the /var/www driectory and chmod 0777 (home laptop no security) good for dev only
[23:26] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: of course, if it is truly idling, shouldn't be using CPU at all
[23:26] <Ruud> ikonia: Why is the owner not correct from the start?
[23:26] <DorkSide> where the screen turns black, and you can't do anything
[23:26] <ikonia> aldur: that would be silly to recommend that
[23:27] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: remember when win95 used to do NOPs for "idle" ? :)
[23:27] <ikonia> Ruud: the owner is correct, just not correct for your needs
[23:27] <aldur> ikonia me newbie
[23:27] <ckin2001> xTheGoat121x, idle cpu does not reduce power consumption
[23:27] <kitche> DorkSide: that would be due to drivers what video driver are you using?
[23:27] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: heck, that was a decade ago, and linux knew how to idle back then
[23:27] <aldur> ikonia surprise
[23:27] <ikonia> aldur: then don't recommend things you don't understand
[23:27] <ExalleR> I run:  sudo /etc/apt/sources.list    is that right?
[23:27] <ikonia> aldur: wrong advice is bad advice
[23:27] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia: Thanks for looking after that
[23:27] <xTheGoat121x> ckin2001, it's not power that I'm worrying about, it's temperature.
[23:27] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: any time, you had it down anyway
[23:27] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: ooh. CPU fan speed?
[23:27] <aldur> ikonia ok no probs
[23:27] <syngin001> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:27] <DorkSide> i have an ati radeon x1300
[23:27] <ckin2001> xTheGoat121x, power consumption can cause temperature :p
[23:27] <Ruud> ikonia: So which permissions should . get?
[23:28] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: maybe linux is cranking down the fan to save power?
[23:28] <ikonia> Ruud: this is for you to develop yes/not ?
[23:28] <Ruud> Yes
[23:28] <xTheGoat121x> nemo_home, not quite sure.  I can hear it switching on and and off... and regarding throttling, this model processor doesn't support throttling
[23:28] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, so your user account and group is a good start
[23:28] <xTheGoat121x> nemo_home, it DOES seem that the fan comes on and off rather frequently.
[23:28] <jc> ExalleR: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:28] <ckin2001> xTheGoat121x, i had issues with various dells laptops having poor fan modules, had to install i8kutils
[23:28] <ikonia> Ruud: or user user and the apache cgroup
[23:28] <ikonia> Ruud: make sure your permissions are 775
[23:28] <nemo_home> xTheGoat121x: perhaps is set to trigger at a higher temperature. not really hip to such things
[23:28] <ExalleR> now I get the list.. but I want to change it..  it keeps popping up access denied :(
[23:29] <xTheGoat121x> ckin2001, would be nice, but I'm running an Acer.
 nemo_home, not quite sure.  I can hear it switching on and and off... and regarding throttling, this model processor doesn't support throttling
[23:29] <syngin001> * Viper550<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:29] <jc> ExalleR: Move the cursor to the # you want to delete, hit  x  and then  :wq   to save and exit
[23:29] <jc> ExalleR: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:30] <xTheGoat121x> nemo_home, I've read about re-doing the trip settings but I haven't been able to find what the format is to echo to the file.
[23:30] <reya276> How can I fix this messege "warning: database /etc/postfix/vmaps.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/vmaps"
[23:30] <ExalleR> and to insert?     sry if i'm bothering you :S
[23:30] <jc> ExalleR: After successfully making changes do:   apt-get update
[23:30] <MystaMax> probably should of used nano
[23:30] <nemo_home> reya276: postmap vmaps
[23:30] <DorkSide> where the screen turns black, and you can't do anything, I have an ati radeon x1300
[23:30] <nemo_home> reya276: should ask that in #postfix btw ;)
[23:30] <syngin001> or even for a noob , sudo vim gedit /etc/apt/sources.lisy
[23:30] <syngin001> or even for a noob , sudo vim gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:30] <Ruud> ikonia: I can't follow you here. for as far as I understand the unix permissions the permissions are 777 which are less restrictive
[23:30] <Jack_Sparrow> ExalleR: shift ctrl v      if that is what I think you asked
[23:30] <nemo_home> reya276: might want to reload postfix after that
[23:30] <syngin001> or even for a noob , sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:31] <PriceChild> !gksudo | syngin001
[23:31] <ubotu> syngin001: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[23:31] <jeffimix> nop nop nop nop nop.... oh sorry just being idle
[23:31] <ikonia> Ruud: the permissions are not 777 - and very dangerous
[23:31] <jc> ExalleR: Do you just need to uncomment existing lines?
[23:31] <ikonia> Ruud: so lets do this one step at a time
[23:31] <saurdo> is there a good tutorial on how to set up a OS selection screen with a GUI?
[23:31] <robert__> hey i have a question    i have recently installed compix fusion and i have set it to have fire on windows thing   and i wondered how u do that??
[23:31] <ikonia> Ruud: what is your user account called and what group is it in (check this with the command id"
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> syngin001: gksudo gedit...   gui apps  need gksudo  or kdesu for kde
[23:31] <JoeThomas> Hi, I want to change motd. Do I want to change /etc/motd or /var/run/motd?
[23:31] <syngin001> really ubotu
[23:31] <ikonia> JoeThomas: /etc/motd
[23:32] <JoeThomas> ikonia: okay thanks.
[23:32] <jc> ExalleR: More than likely, all you need to do is just to un-comment existing lines.
[23:32] <nemo_home> jeffimix: :)
[23:32] <Flare183> Does anybody know when the PPA Class is going to start?
[23:32] <Ruud> ikonia: uid=1000(ruud) gid=1000(ruud) groups=4(adm)
[23:33] <jc> ExalleR: e.g delete the   #  at the first of the tartet lines.
[23:33] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, so "sudo chown -R ruud:ruud ." while in /var/www
[23:33] <JarG0n> Can someone tell me if there is any support for SanDisk Sansa MP3 players in Ubuntu?
[23:33] <Pod_Man> anyone have any experience with using thinkfinger for a fingerprint reader?
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> rhythembox perhaps
[23:33] <ikonia> Ruud: thats changed the owners to you, and the members of your groups.
[23:33] <ikonia> Ruud: thats phase one, with me so far ?
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> !rythembox
[23:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rythembox - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:33] <ExalleR> I want to insert: deb http://archive.ubuntustudio.org/ubuntustudio feisty main   into the file...
[23:33] <Pod_Man> i have been successful in getting it to work with my login
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I have NO rythem
[23:33] <MystaMax> ha
[23:34] <Pod_Man> but not any other gnome stuff
[23:34] <HankHill> Hey cn some one help me get a wirless device working?
[23:34] <Pod_Man> like synaptic and sudo in the terminal
[23:34] <MystaMax> HankHill, we can try
[23:34] <jc> HankHill: We will try...
[23:34] <jeffimix> I believe the Sandisk Sansa players act like generic mass sotrage devices... one sec
[23:34] <HankHill> The drivers are all there and it works fine. it just won't connect to my network
[23:34] <syngin001> gksudo it is then, i stand corrected, thanks
[23:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Pod_Man: it should be seen as a scanner, but no support for the fingerprint feature
[23:34] <jc> HankHill: Tell us what Wireless NIC you have?
[23:34] <HankHill> It can see the network
[23:34] <alyx_> hey whats a network manager for e17
[23:34] <HankHill> It's a d-link
[23:34] <Ruud> ikonia: Yes, I was checking the command then saw you explained as well :P
[23:34] <Agent_bob> i have a cli/bash question.   why does "openvt -slfc $TTY" not read /etc/profile ?
[23:35] <saurdo> is there a good tutorial on how to set up a OS selection screen with a GUI?
[23:35] <JarG0n> !mp3
[23:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:35] <jc> HankHill: Do you have native drivers for it?
[23:35] <HankHill> Ralink chipset
[23:35] <nemo_home> saurdo: you mean like grub? :)
[23:35] <jeffimix> yes, yes it works as any flash drive would
[23:35] <jc> HankHill: iwconfig
[23:35] <ikonia> Ruud: ok - so now we have done that we need to make it so that only you, and the members of your group can write to that dir, so in the /var/www dir, "sudo chmod -R 775 ."
[23:35] <Jack_Sparrow> saurdo: you mean setting up grub boot loader
[23:35] <Agent_bob> shouldn't all login shells read /etc/profile ?
[23:35] <saurdo> nemo_home yes, like grub boot loader
[23:35] <Pod_Man> Jack_Sparrow: it is working fine for login, and sudo commands in the ctl-alt-f1 type console
[23:35] <MystaMax> I use a d-link PCI card at home, and it installed drivers automagically
[23:35] <HankHill> yes drivers all all set and the device seems to be working fine. when it tries to connect to he network and times out after a minut
[23:35] <Pod_Man> but not for anything inside of gnome
[23:35] <ikonia> Ruud: thats going to make it read/write for your user account, however the user that runs the apache webserver is not in your group, so we need to give the dir world execute permissions too, (thats the 5 in 775)
[23:36] <MystaMax> HankHill, is your SSID being broadcasted? are you using network manager?
[23:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Pod_Man: soory, never had a chance to play with one
[23:36] <Ruud> ikonia: this one I don't need to check :P ftp-ed enough to recognize ;)
[23:36] <HankHill> it's in roming mode
[23:36] <jc> HankHill: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid linksys   (where eth1 is device name and linksys is router's essid.)
[23:36] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, great, so you understand what I've done and why
[23:36] <Ruud> ikonia: yes
[23:36] <ikonia> Ruud: the important thing to remember is why 5 is on the end, as apache is not the owner or in the ruud group
[23:36] <HankHill> it's a usb device actualy
[23:36] <DorkSide> Hey, I have that switch users problem, where you get the black screen when you turn on the computer, I have an ATI Radeon x1300 video card.
[23:36] <Ruud> ikonia: This leaves one problem though
[23:37] <ikonia> Ruud: which is ?
[23:37] <Pod_Man> Pod
[23:37] <Pod_Man> lol srry
[23:37] <jc> HankHill: Actually, you should have an icon in the upper left of screen that you can click on and tell it to connect to specific essid name.
[23:37] <Pod_Man> another question
[23:37] <Robotchicken1886> does anyone know a good movie editor program
[23:37] <HankHill> I click the icon and tell it to connect to the network
[23:37] <jc> HankHill: The wireless NIC is really a USB device?
[23:37] <HankHill> it's in the list
[23:37] <HankHill> says the signal is fine
[23:37] <Robotchicken1886> like the movie editor on macs
[23:37] <HankHill> but it won't connect to the network
[23:37] <Ruud> ikonia: I write scripts that very often also add files inside the www dir (uploads, installing extentions and so on)
[23:38] <DorkSide> Hey, I have that switch users problem, where you get the black screen when you turn on the computer, I have an ATI Radeon x1300 video card.
[23:38] <jc> HankHill: Yes, then just click the icon and tell it to connect to the network
[23:38] <ikonia> Ruud: thats not a problem, as I assume the scripts are run by you ?
[23:38] <syngin001> jc, about the command, i just want to have the correct synatax, i should have  "mount -o rw,remount /mount/point/here"  the mount point is fine but remount should be /dev/sdb1 if thats where my drive is. is this correct?
[23:38] <DorkSide> there is no icon
[23:38] <Ruud> ikonia: they'll be running as apache, can they write?
[23:38] <HankHill> Bu tthat's the problem
[23:38] <HankHill> it dosn't
[23:38] <Pod_Man> i recently accidentally erased my /etc/networking/interfaces file
[23:38] <ikonia> Ruud: ahh ok, I see
[23:38] <HankHill> it times out
[23:38] <DorkSide> screens all black
[23:38] <ikonia> Ruud: ok, so lets do this different.
[23:38] <mkquist> Hey all, how long should an upgrade take from fawn to gibbon?  Using a CD...
[23:38] <Pod_Man> (on a dell xps m1330 latptop)
[23:38] <Pod_Man> and went onto the forums to get a clean copy
[23:38] <jc> syngin001: No, use the mount point, not the device filename
[23:38] <ikonia> Ruud: what is the users account running the apache process (ps -ef | grep httpd) then look at the user that owns it
[23:38] <Ruud> ikonia: at least I'll assume they'll have the apaches servers rights
[23:38] <Pod_Man> pasted in what looked familiar as the original contents of the file
[23:39] <Pod_Man> but it still does not reconize properly
[23:39] <DorkSide> i don't see anything, i just get black screen
[23:39] <Agent_bob> syngin001 you can remount either the device node or the mountpoint   but using both in the mount command is redundant
[23:39] <jeffimix> mm they keep updating the radeon drivers don't they
[23:39] <DorkSide> as soon as it starts up
[23:39] <Pod_Man> connects just fine to wireless, and connects to wired when plugged in, but never comes up in the manage
[23:39] <jc> syngin001: Where is it mounted?   do: mount |grep sda1
[23:39] <Pod_Man> manager*
[23:39] <dario> i have some problems with amule
[23:39] <Robotchicken1886> what is a good program for ubuntu that is a movie editor
[23:39] <syngin001> so how does this command know what to mount then?
[23:39] <DorkSide> ok
[23:39] <Pod_Man> which is annoying because i cannot choose between the two
[23:39] <DorkSide> i'll try it
[23:40] <jeffimix> Robotchicken1886: Cinelerra
[23:40] <Ruud> ikonia: ruud      6362  6260  0 00:39 pts/1    00:00:00 grep httpd
[23:40] <Robotchicken1886> thanks
[23:40] <Pod_Man> if the wireless switch is on, it automatically uses wireless, no option to used wired port
[23:40] <syngin001> jc, the drive mounts on boot to /media/disk
[23:40] <Ruud> ikonia: no idea what this means though
[23:40] <Agent_bob> jc you can remount either the device node or the mountpoint   but using both in the mount *remount* command is redundant
[23:40] <ikonia> Ruud: is apache running ?
[23:40] <Ruud> dunno
[23:40] <jeffimix> Robotchicken1886: Kino is easier to set up though, it's also fine albeit simpler
[23:40] <Frogzoo> Robotchicken1886: not sure jahshaka works yet..
[23:40] <nemo_home> Robotchicken1886: avidemux is also good
[23:40] <Pod_Man> anyone with an m1330 that can paste in the file contents?
[23:40] <nemo_home> Robotchicken1886: for applying filters, and clipping and such
[23:40] <nemo_home> Robotchicken1886: reencoding...
[23:40] <JJHathoway> does ubuntu keep file trees for mounted drives after they are unmounted?  and is this something other OSs do?
[23:40] <Ruud> ikonia: localhost responds
[23:41] <ikonia> could someone please tell me the user account that ubuntu users as an apache owner, I don't have an ubuntu box to hand
[23:41] <jeffimix> Cinelerra is perhaps Linux's best non-linear editor...
[23:41] <ikonia> Ruud: one moment
[23:41] <jc> syngin001: mount -o rw,remount /media/disk
[23:41] <kitche> JJHathoway: no once a drive is umounted the directory where you mounted the drive will be empty
[23:41] <ikonia> I blieve it's www-data or something along those lines
[23:41] <nemo_home> jeffimix: different focus I think
[23:41] <ikonia> Ruud: "id www-data"
[23:41] <JJHathoway> kitche:  and no log is available to check?
[23:41] <jeffimix> nemo_home: oh, yeah, I wasn't trying to say avidemux isn't good too
[23:41] <DorkSide> nope doesn't work
[23:41] <Ruud> ikonia: uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data)
[23:41] <syngin001> how can i stop the OS from automatically mounting and let me specify this in a script
[23:42] <HankHill> it does the little animation like it's connecting but it stops after a minut
[23:42] <kitche> JJHathoway: no you will just see that your system mounted a drive and umounted one that's about it
[23:42] <dario> i mean. after having entered the server amule is still not able tu download files
[23:42] <ikonia> rhavenn: mega, ok
[23:42] <ikonia> oos
[23:42] <HankHill> it does the little animation like it's connecting but it stops after a minut
[23:42] <HankHill> it does the little animation like it's connecting but it stops after a minut
[23:42] <ikonia> Ruud: mega, ok
[23:42] <ikonia> Ruud: so "sudo chown -R ruud:www-data ." while in /var/www
[23:42] <jc> syngin001: What type of drive is it?
[23:42] <nemo_home> jeffimix: then there's cinepaint, also with a different foucs :)
[23:42] <justin420> can anybody tell me why your 2 panels wouldnt appear to be loaded and some buttons dont show up when you start your x-session with compiz-fusion on gutsy using a nvidia card, im using nvidia-glx not nvidia-glx-new ( due to dvi problems )?
[23:42] <syngin001> external USB
[23:42] <MystaMax> HankHill, do you have other computers at your location already on the wifi network?
[23:42] <HankHill> yes
[23:42]  * m7634756_away oops
[23:43] <nemo_home> jeffimix: 'course Glasgow hasn't been developed much faster than GEGL has
[23:43] <jc> syngin001: Is it a flash memory chip?  Or an IDE hard drive or....?
[23:43] <MystaMax> any encryption?
[23:43] <jeffimix> nemo_home: indeed, I use it instead of the Gimp often times too... hehe
[23:43] <Agent_bob> JJHathoway linux does NOT keep dirrectory tree information for unmounted fs's   some application may however until it is refreshed   "nautilus or konqueror for example"
[23:43] <DorkSide> I tried mounting it, and it didn't work
[23:43] <DorkSide> but i have it installed, so it shouldn't have to mount
[23:43] <jeffimix> nemo_home:  yeah Cinelerra goes at a crawl too
[23:43] <Ruud> ikonia: This will change the owner to me and everybody in apaches group?
[23:43] <ikonia> Ruud: do you understand what we've done ?
[23:43] <dario> shall anybody helps me?
[23:44] <aldur> ruud ps -aux | grep apache
[23:44] <ikonia> Ruud: thats right, your the owner, but anyone in the www-data group can now write to it
[23:44] <syngin001> pretty sure it's IDE. 250GB external USB drive
[23:44] <dario> please contact me in private chat
[23:44] <JJHathoway> Agent_bob:  ok thanks, anyone by chance know if windows does?  trying to find the name of a file i erased from my USB thumbdrive
[23:44] <mariusz> hi everybody
[23:44] <ikonia> dario: just ask the question
[23:44] <MystaMax> hello
[23:44] <Ruud> aldur: this is a lot of output
[23:44] <mariusz> how to alt+ctrl+delete in ubuntu?
[23:44] <DorkSide> asdf
[23:44] <dario> ok
[23:44] <DorkSide> oh yeah
[23:44] <kitche> JJHathoway: the drive itself will have the file still on it until you over write where the file was
[23:44] <PriceChild> mariusz, what do you really want to do?
[23:44] <DorkSide> how do you ctrl+alt+delete in ubuntu?
[23:44] <linux88> is there a program thats lets me watch my network and all its traffic to my computers on my LAN, and coming from the internet ?
[23:45] <mariusz> close firefox
[23:45] <MystaMax> mariusz, do you want to see the task manager?
[23:45] <Ruud> ikonia: does that solve the problem?
[23:45] <dario> i have some problems with amule
[23:45] <mariusz> is break
[23:45] <ikonia> Ruud: it most certainly does
[23:45] <JJHathoway> mariusz: ctrl+alt+backspace restarts x
[23:45] <jeffimix> linux88:  Wireshark
[23:45] <DorkSide> ok
[23:45] <jbjbjb> mariusz: hit Alt+F2 and run gnome-system-monitor to get the "task manageR"
[23:45] <jeffimix> linux88: also Snort is a good tool, depending on what you are looking for
[23:45] <JJHathoway> kitche:  do you know a program to dump contents like that?
[23:45] <DorkSide> well, you know with the black screen switch users thing the ctrl+alt+backspace didn't do anything
[23:45] <kitche> JJHathoway: umm no
[23:46] <linux88> jeffimix ya, but isnt that more for the packets. i know thats the way i should look at ie but i wasnt looking for something with a GUI
[23:46] <Agent_bob> mariusz try ctrl+alt+esc    or do it the linux way.  open a terminal and type   killall firefox
[23:46] <Ruud> ikonia: I can write! yeeey. can't check right now if apache can as well
[23:46] <mariusz> i would like to run proces menager and close firefox
[23:46] <ikonia> Ruud: it can, trust me ;)
[23:46] <jc> mariusz: what are you trying to do?  Restart the OS?  If so, do Ctrl-alt-F1 and then Ctrl-Alt-Del
[23:46] <Ruud> aldur: Why did you need the ouput from that command?
[23:46] <jeffimix> linux88: well snort can run as a service to do packet logging
[23:47] <Ruud> ikonai: thanks a lot!
[23:47] <ikonia> Ruud: welcome
[23:47] <jc> mariusz: If you only want to re-start the Xserver,  Ctrl-Alt=Backsapce
[23:47] <ikonia> Ruud: pleasure to help people like you
[23:47] <syngin001> whats the command to run TOP and only see firefox for example
[23:47] <ikonia> syngin001: that command doesn't exist
[23:47] <Ruud> ikonia: which group am I in?
[23:47] <aldur> ruud it was for you to see who was runnig the apache program
[23:47] <ikonia> Ruud: "ruud" group and "adm"
[23:47] <jeffimix> kitche:  in windows you could use the Restoration program to restore files, dunno wht to use in linux
[23:47] <jc> syngin001: man top
[23:47] <syngin001> it must
[23:47] <Chillyboarder> anyone know where I can get an invisionfree clone script? can't find a chan about scripts.
[23:47] <Ruud> ikonia: No I meant "people like me"
[23:47] <linux88> jeffimix is snort better then wireshark
[23:48] <aldur> !symlink
[23:48] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[23:48] <ikonia> Ruud: helpful, polite people who listen and work a problem through
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Someone that actually listens
[23:48] <jc> syngin001: I know that you can use the pid
[23:48] <jeffimix> linux88: Snort and Wireshark tend to have very different uses, but both are used for packet logging, Snort does not have a GUI, it tends to run in the background, Wireshark is generally used as a graphical program in the foreground
[23:48] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: ruud is your man
[23:48] <Jack_Sparrow> ..
[23:48] <Ruud> ikonia: Oh ok, I figure it is in my best interest
[23:48] <jc> syngin001: To find firefox's pid:  ps aux |grep firefox
[23:49] <syngin001> yes but sometimes you can't see the process to see the PID
[23:49] <ikonia> Ruud: well done, shame more doesn't
[23:49] <Agent_bob> mariusz some very useful commands for killing processes are  "pstree,   ps ax,  top,  kill,  killall,  pgrep,  pidof"   linux provides very precise control over the running processes
[23:49] <DrJim> I'm gettin the following error when compiling: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM   now I figure I'm missing a package, but I'm not sure which package, anyone have an idea?
[23:49] <jeffimix> linux88: furthermore Wireshark is useful for doing things like watching a tcp stream (a conversation basically) whereas Snort is good for sniffing packets for odd content
[23:49] <ikonia> syngin001: ps -ef | grep Firefox shows the pid
[23:49] <jc> syngin001: And then: top -p ####
[23:49] <ikonia> jc: hyou got it
[23:49] <ikonia> you
[23:49] <kitche> jeffimix: umm in windows it doesn't have a restoration program by default
[23:49] <aldur> ikonia how do I set a symlink I can't remember
[23:49] <syngin001> excellent thanks
[23:49] <jc> ikonia: Thanks...
[23:49] <Agent_bob> ikonia pidof firefox
[23:49] <rayray> what is the xorg config file anyone please?
[23:49] <ikonia> aldur: ln -s
[23:49] <ikonia> Agent_bob: nice trick,
[23:49] <Ruud> aldur: I think ikonia got it right as the output says www-data about 10 times
[23:49] <JJHathoway> why is it possible to change the "Places" Menu in the application bar?
[23:50] <kakoonia> hey
[23:50] <aldur> ikonia thanks
[23:50] <jeffimix> kitche: no that's not a default application, I mean there is a downloadable program by the name of "Restoration"
[23:50] <rayray> what is the xorg config file anyone please?
[23:50] <ikonia> rayray: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:50] <rayray> and where is it located anyone know?
[23:50] <kitche> jeffimix: true but in linux it's the same thing
[23:50] <syngin001> its how your display is configured
[23:50] <MystaMax> /etc/X11/xorg
[23:50] <rayray> thank you
[23:50] <MystaMax> .conf
[23:50]  * kitche does file restoring by hand
[23:50] <kakoonia> im trying to install avant-window-navigator.. but nothing ive tried wont make it work... always : "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[23:50] <jeffimix> kitche: eww :-P
[23:50] <kakoonia> any one got any idea?
[23:50] <aldur> ruud each of those is a thread process so your web server can server ten different files
[23:51] <ikonia> kakoonia: you'll need to log a bug, core dump is fatal
[23:51] <JJHathoway> *why is it not possible to change the "Places" menu in the application bar
[23:51] <linux88> jeffimix where is a good link for all that. you sound like you know a thing or two
[23:51] <Agent_bob> so anyone know why bash is not reading my /etc/profile when a new login shell is envoked ?
[23:51] <kakoonia> ikonia : how do i log it?
[23:51] <Ruud> ikonia: Thanks for the help. Unfortunately I have to get some sleep right now and can't finish setting up the rest of the server.
[23:51] <santor_> sup guys
[23:52] <ikonia> Agent_bob: its not set to by default as I recall
[23:52] <ikonia> Ruud: welcome
[23:52] <kitche> jeffimix: well programs are junk usually anyways I have never found a program to restore a file as good as diving into the drive bit by bit and pulling the file out :)
[23:52] <Ruud> aldur: I see. Thanks
[23:52] <mariusz> how to empty trash as root?
[23:52] <Agent_bob> ikonia that doesn't sound sain...   any idea where the setting was made ?    or is it a compile option ?
[23:53] <ikonia> Agent_bob: from memory, .bashrc is the root of it
[23:53] <santor_> i'm having a problem with my display, i tried to use the drivers for my intel 945 graphics card and when i restartx it makes my screen a scrolling resolution with an invisible mouse, had ot resore xorg.conf from a backup to get where i am
[23:53] <santor_> right now the driver is set to intel
[23:53] <iGeek> is there a way to get a list of files a package installed (like rpm -ql)?
[23:53] <ikonia> iGeek: dpkg -l
[23:53] <jc> Agent_bob: Might need to look at a profile in user dir that may be using?
[23:53] <jeffimix> linux88: well wireshark's homepage is here: http://www.wireshark.org/    it's a relatively easy to figure out program, the snort user manual is here http://www.snort.org/docs/snort_htmanuals/htmanual_280/                 as you can see Snort is a bit more complex being as it's rules based
[23:53] <iGeek> ikonia: thx
[23:54] <syngin001> igeek, does synaptic not show this
[23:54] <linux88> jeffimix thanks. Im not used to packets... so is wireshark a good newb site
[23:54] <iGeek> syngin001: using console version
[23:54] <syngin001> ok
[23:54] <Agent_bob> ikonia hmmm then it's not that in this case.    i have a costum ~/.bash* files   so...     i could set a line in  ~/.something to source /etc/profile  but that just sounds backwards.
[23:55] <bulmer> Agent_bob-> http://wooledge.org:8000/DotFiles
[23:55] <Agent_bob> looking
[23:55] <ikonia> Agent_bob: .bash_profile sources .bashrc as I recall in ubuntu
[23:55] <ikonia> Agent_bob: so either set it in .bash_profile direct or .bashrc
[23:55] <jc> iGeek:  man apt-cache
[23:55] <santor_> i tried seting the card to intel 945 and it set the driver to i810 which when i restarted X screwed things up
[23:55] <kakoonia> ikonia : how do i log it?
[23:56] <santor_> so it only works with the driver set to intel
[23:56] <santor_> but d3d doesn't work
[23:56] <iGeek> actually it's dpkg -L <package_name>
[23:56] <ikonia> kakoonia: sorry forgot about you. visit launchpad on http://www.launchpad.net
[23:56] <santor_> can someone offer any ideas
[23:56] <iGeek> jc: apt-cache doesn't provide that feature
[23:56] <iGeek> anyway... thx again
[23:56] <jeffimix> linux88: well they are both good programs, I'm not sure where to go to learn more of the basics though
[23:57] <Agent_bob> ikonia maybe i'm not making clear the issue.    when i login  /etc/profile is read,  but using  su - user -- openvt -slfc some,tty,number   it doesn't retain the environment of the first shell (which it shouldn't) but it also doesn't read the /etc/profile  which it should.
[23:58] <ikonia> Agent_bob ahh ok, .bash_profile is only read in a login shell, su - isn't a login shell
[23:58] <Agent_bob> ikonia su - is supposed to be a login shell   as well as the -l switch in the openvt command
[23:59] <ikonia> Agent_bob: sorry, I missed the -l
[23:59] <ikonia> Agent_bob: didn't see you put that
[23:59] <Robotchicken1886> sorry i lost the name,  it was a movie editor called like cinnella or something