[00:59] <yotux> how can one help with testing
[01:02] <heno> yotux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures has an introduction
[01:02] <heno> yotux: the images in need of testing are listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[01:02] <heno> there are links to ISO images and test cases
[01:04] <yotux> herno -- I am not sure where all log files are but I can find them if there is a guide that will tell me how
[01:05] <yotux> Thakns for the reply also
[01:09] <yotux> is there an easy way to read ASCII art style I am having a hard time with it
[01:12] <yotux> I got it kde browser doesn't display nicely Firefox does
[01:21] <yotux> I want to test a dvd image is there going to be direction how how to complete this test?
[02:20] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone intersted in dist-upgrade horror stories?
[03:28] <persia> ScottK-laptop, Not directly, but if you've something that breaks hard, please register it on the tracker.
[03:29] <ScottK-laptop> persia: Not sure where to put it on the tracker.
[03:29] <ScottK-laptop> It was Kubuntu tests that failed, but it's likely across the board
[03:32] <persia> ScottK-laptop, I'd probably add it to the appropriate place on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/upgrade/all , file the bug against the offending package, and mark it serious.
[03:33] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[03:33] <persia> That gets it on release-team radar, and if it's very hard broken, it's possible to shim (although It needs to be *very* hard broken).
[03:33] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah, well I'm working towards enough information for the release notes.
[05:46] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well test case completed.  It's not pretty news.
[05:47]  * ScottK-laptop goes and falls over because it's very late here.
[07:37] <ara> morning all :-)
[08:13]  * ara reboots
[08:27] <davmor2> Good Morning Everybody
[08:27] <davmor2> slangasek: are all the iso's stable now?
[08:34] <ara> good morning davmor2
[08:35]  * ara is testing alternate i386 OEM
[08:36] <slangasek> davmor2: 'stable'?
[08:36] <davmor2> Cool :)
[08:36] <slangasek> ... I hope that wasn't in answer to me
[08:36] <davmor2> slangasek: As in not about to be respun
[08:36] <slangasek> there are some images that we're considering a respin of
[08:37] <davmor2> sooner than latter I hope :)
[08:40] <slangasek> as soon as the right people come on-line in London
[08:50] <davmor2> slangasek: which cd are likely to be re-spun?  Will it affect netboot?
[08:50] <slangasek> it won't affect netboot
[08:50] <slangasek> we're probably looking at ubuntu {alternate,desktop,server,dvd}
[08:50] <davmor2> Okay cool I'll get them out the way then
[08:51] <davmor2> slangasek: okay cool?
[08:51] <slangasek> hmm?
[08:52] <davmor2> slangasek: rather now than later :)
[08:53] <slangasek> what rather now than later? netboot?
[08:54] <davmor2> slangasek: No the re-spin
[08:55] <slangasek> yes, the decision hasn't been made yet
[09:12] <slangasek> confirmed that dvd,alternate,desktop will be rerolled
[09:37] <ara> slangasek: do we know when?
[09:37] <slangasek> as soon as I can get the bits I need out of the publisher
[09:38] <slangasek> (which will be a bit yet, I just missed the start of this hour's publisher run)
[10:10] <slangasek> ok, the ones that are being rerolled are all disabled on the tracker
[10:10] <slangasek> there are still some images we believe we don't need to reroll
[10:43] <slangasek> oops, image-building pipeline wound up a little suboptimal; will be a bit yet before the new images start trickling in, maybe ~1h or so
[10:43] <eduardwitteveen> hello, i try to get my wacom intuos3 working
[10:44] <eduardwitteveen> i have the /dev/input/wacom but my xorg.conf is empty
[10:45] <davmor2> eduardwitteveen: probably best to ask on #ubuntu
[10:45] <eduardwitteveen> well, in 8.04 i had a lot more lines in my xorg.conf :D
[10:46] <eduardwitteveen> and before 8.04 the wacom intuos worked out of the box
[10:46] <slangasek> eduardwitteveen: please see the release notes
[10:47] <slangasek> er, no
[10:47] <eduardwitteveen> slangasek: it's there, the zero config for x :D
[10:47] <slangasek> sorry, it's not in the release notes yet, it still needs to be added before release
[10:47] <slangasek> eduardwitteveen: please see bug #282203 instead
[10:48] <eduardwitteveen> slangasek: thanx!
[10:49] <eduardwitteveen> and keep on the good work (i couldnt fix it my selve anymore, since my xorg.conf was empty and i didnt know how to fix it,..)
[11:04] <davmor2> heno: edubuntu netboot may be borked completely
[11:06] <heno> davmor2: is that the same problem as last week?
[11:07] <davmor2> no it's stuck at 2% doing nothing
[11:14]  * pedro_ syncing ubuntu alternate i386
[11:14] <slangasek> good timing, since I just posted it :)
[11:15] <pedro_> I just reloaded the tracker and the build appear there ;-)
[11:17] <davmor2> Anyone can you confirm that edubuntu install hangs a 2% on netboot please
[11:24]  * liw starts preparing ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) images for upgrade testing
[11:27] <heno> davmor2: I'll have a look
[11:28] <davmor2> heno: thanks
[11:28] <davmor2> I'll write a bug for it now it only happens on edubuntu
[11:28] <liw> there's jigdo available for RC images, right? and the delta between RC and current dailies is fairly small, right? so it would be possible to get an ISO faster by using jigdo to get an RC ISO, and then rsync to update to the current one, yes?
[11:29] <slangasek> yes
[11:29] <slangasek> there's also jigdo available for dailies, though
[11:29] <slangasek> so that might be faster still :)
[11:29] <liw> there are? ok
[11:30]  * liw suggested to sbeattie earlier today via e-mail that dl-ubuntu-test-iso could be improved to use a jigdo+rsync combination
[11:30] <slangasek> not linked from the tracker, but present alongside the isos in the same directory on the server
[11:30] <slangasek> jigdo gets tricky because of how quickly old packages get superseded on the mirrors
[11:31] <slangasek> but once we're frozen for release, it certainly helps
[11:31] <liw> perhaps adding jigdo support to dl-ubuntu-test-iso would be good during the jaunty cycle, then
[11:34] <liw> interestingly, the server gets half-installed in the time the live cd boots
[11:35] <davmor2> liw: maybe if the script could detect if the there is a file already installed and rsync if there is and jigdo if there isn't
[11:35] <liw> davmor2, definitely
[11:51] <slangasek> almost all images are refreshed, now
[11:52] <slangasek> just waiting on xubuntu desktop, ubuntu dvd, umpc
[12:00]  * ara takes alternate i386 OEM
[12:03] <davmor2> heno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/290234
[12:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 290234 in ubuntu "Intrepid: Netboot locks up at 2% installing the selected edubuntu desktop" [Undecided,New]
[12:10] <heno> davmor2: confirmed
[12:10] <davmor2> slangasek: you might want to add that one to the release notes :)
[12:11] <slangasek> was this tested before, with RC?
[12:11] <slangasek> and is edubuntu desktop the only one broken?
[12:12] <davmor2> slangasek: RC was tested and it passed but was missing some apps.  However now the install just stops at 2% had it there for the install length of another netboot install
[12:13] <heno> AFAIR it failed differently before, suffering from nested recommends
[12:14] <davmor2> slangasek: I should say sorry it installed but failed due to the missing apps
[12:14] <slangasek> alright
[12:14] <davmor2> stgraber: are you about yet?
[12:16] <davmor2> I'm just wondering if it is building the lstp stuff too or trying to without the elements being there
[12:21] <slangasek> xubuntu desktop posted; just ubuntu dvd and UMPC now
[12:26] <dholbach> hum... my alternate amd64 install is hanging at 18% for more than half an hour (in KVM, 500M of memory) right now, md5sum is looking good
[12:31]  * dholbach restarts
[12:34] <liw> ah yes, my old nemesis: "grub-install (hd0)" failure
[12:50] <ScottK-laptop> heno: Do you know if you have any successful test reports with Intel D945 systems or could you point me in the right direction to find out?
[12:54] <heno> schwuk: can we search our results for this? ^
[12:54] <heno> ScottK-laptop: my only other suggestion is https://edge.launchpad.net/+search?field.text=d945
[12:54] <schwuk> What is the D945?
[12:55] <ScottK-laptop> It's an intel motherboard chipset
[12:56] <ScottK-laptop> I'm trying to find out if Bug #290153 is just that box being 'special' or if it's a real problem.
[13:07] <schwuk> heno: We can, but don't have any results.
[13:08] <ScottK-laptop> schwuk: Thanks for looking.
[13:13] <liw> this upgrade testing is going to fail, because several of my attempts to install hardy fail on the grub-install failure
[13:44] <heno> liw: try using http://files.omma.net/kvm/
[13:45] <ScottK-laptop> heno: Since 1 of 1 test samples fails for Intel D945 motherboards, I think it should be release noted.  I have a workaround now.
[13:45] <liw> heno, i386 is one of the ones that does work for me, actually
[13:46] <liw> heno, ubuntu amd64 not, kubuntu i386 yes, kubuntu amd64 not, both i386 and amd64 server ys
[13:46] <heno> ScottK-laptop: I agree
[13:47] <ScottK-laptop> OK. Thanks.
[13:47] <heno> liw: can you install server 64 and add ubuntu-desktop?
[13:47] <liw> heno, I can try that, at least
[13:48] <liw> I wonder if it would be a good idea to investigate these grub-install failures (under kvm only?) after the intrepid release -- since hardy is LTS, it'll be used for years to come
[13:50] <heno> liw: agree. did you file a bug?
[13:51] <liw> heno, no, but I will, now
[13:51] <liw> heno, can you suggest against which package?
[13:51] <heno> thanks. We'll milestone for 8.04.2 so we don't forget
[13:51] <heno> liw: not sure - grub?
[13:54] <liw> heno, 252901 has already been reported
[13:54] <heno> thanks
[13:55] <liw> 219165 has already been reported, oops
[13:58] <ScottK-laptop> heno: So I've added an ubuntu-release-notes task on Bug #290153 and included a proposed note.  Anything else I should do on that?
[13:59] <heno> ScottK-laptop: sounds fine, thanks
[14:00] <dholbach> mvo, koon: is that current amd64-alternate?
[14:01] <mvo> dholbach: I had it with i386-alternate the other day
[14:01] <Koon> dholbach: I experience lockups with installed systems too, that's not installation realted
[14:01] <dholbach> Koon: oopsie :-(
[14:02] <Koon> that's since I upgraded the host to intrepid, so probably something taht has to do with kvm on the host
[14:02] <dholbach> the install just went fine, I'll try installing on a real disk tomorrow
[14:02] <Koon> I've been trying to crosscheck if that's not virtio related
[14:03] <Koon> couldn't reproduce it so far on virtio-enabled VMs
[14:04] <dholbach> I have another install hanging right now.... kvm is still using 100% CPU
[14:04] <mathiaz> dholbach: where does the install hang?
[14:05] <dholbach> mathiaz: at various stages, right now it says "configuring linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic"
[14:05] <mathiaz> dholbach: right - it may take a while
[14:05] <dholbach> only one out of 4 attempts succeeded
[14:05] <dholbach> the last one was hanging for like 30 minutes before I killed it
[14:05] <mathiaz> dholbach: I've also noticed some slow down when configuring the kernel
[14:05] <mathiaz> dholbach: hm - are you testing in kvm?
[14:05] <dholbach> mathiaz: yes
[14:05] <Koon> It locks up during IO intensive tasks afaict
[14:06] <mathiaz> I've also noticed that generating the language can take quite some time
[14:06] <mathiaz> during which the install seems stuck
[14:07] <mathiaz> but I hadn't had to kill install for months now
[14:07] <dholbach> mathiaz: your host is hardy? intrepid?
[14:08] <mathiaz> dholbach: hardy
[14:08] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[14:08] <dholbach> Koon and I are on intrepid on the host too :)
[14:24] <dholbach> now I have a LiveCD session hanging too - is there anything I could debug?
[14:25] <heno> cking says cruft-remover is still on the 64 bit desktop image
[14:31]  * davmor2 starting the wubi m-a run#
[14:31]  * heno food, bbl
[14:32] <liw> bleh, two kvm instances crashed
[14:32] <liw> and dumped core
[14:32] <liw> soren, are you interested? if so, what should do dig out for you?
[14:37] <soren> liw: Quite interested, yes.
[14:37] <soren> liw: What's the host?
[14:37] <liw> soren, this is with an intrepid host, and hardy guests
[14:37] <soren> liw: Hardy guests? Why are you testing hardy guests?
[14:38] <liw> soren, I'm preparing hardy images in order to do upgrade tests
[14:38] <soren> liw: Ah, clever.
[14:38] <soren> liw: Amd or Intel hardware?
[14:39] <liw> soren, Intel
[14:39] <soren> liw: Using the stock kvm modules or the ones from the kvm-source package?
[14:40] <liw> soren, hmm, how do I check? I forget if I switched back to stock kvm modules or not
[14:40] <soren> liw: Check dmesg. If it says "kvm-72" somewhere, you're using the ones from kvm-source.
[14:40] <liw> soren, kvm-source is installed, no kvm-72 in dmesg output
[14:41] <liw> soren, also not in syslog
[14:41] <soren> liw: Hm... Han gon.
[14:41] <soren> Hang on, even.
[14:42] <soren> liw: Can you pastebin the output of "dkms status" and "uname -r", please?
[14:42] <liw> soren, http://paste.ubuntu.com/63638/
[14:43] <soren> :(
[14:44] <soren> liw: try "dpkg-reconfigure kvm-source"
[14:44] <liw> soren, will that affect the nine other kvm instances I have running?
[14:49] <soren> liw: It shouldn't, no.
[14:49] <soren> liw: You won't be able to replace the kernel modules while they're running, though.
[14:50] <liw> soren, no worries, I can shut them down, I'll just wait until that one install is finished
[14:50] <soren> liw: Alright. The dpkg-reconfigure ought to recompile the modules for your current kernel version.
[14:51] <liw> soren, ack; can I do something useful with the two core files I have?
[14:52] <soren> liw: How big are they?
[14:52] <liw> soren, 1.1 gigs, uncompressed
[14:53] <liw> soren, I see from dmesg that the kernel has logged the segfaults: [96440.788175] kvm[6006]: segfault at 284 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>435355 sp 00007fff7f68df40 error 4 in kvm[400000+19e000]
[14:53] <liw> [96441.051001] kvm[5585]: segfault at 284 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>435355 sp 00007fffb7e2c6c0 error 4 in kvm[400000+19e000]
[14:53] <liw> soren, note the same ip for both
[14:53] <soren> liw: Ok. I don't think the possible value of the data outweighs the hassle of exchanging those files.
[14:54] <liw> soren, they're about 415 megs gzipped, so yeah, pretty big
[14:55] <soren> That segfault info might be valuable, though.
[14:56] <liw> soren, is there something you want me to look at before I reboot?
[14:57] <soren> liw: No, I think I'm good.
[15:16]  * pedro_ doing desktop i386 oem
[15:18] <davmor2> It's snowing :)
[15:22] <liw> heno, I did the server+ubuntu-desktop thing, seems to have worked, so I now have something to do an upgrade test with; good
[15:23] <heno> cool
[15:32] <slangasek> sorry folks, ubuntu desktop CDs being rebuilt once more, system-cleaner-gtk was still installed in the livefs when it should've gone away with the last build
[15:34] <ogra> not easy to clean up ... that cleaner app ....
[15:34] <davmor2> bugger
[15:35] <heno> just 2 CDs, not so bad :)
[15:35] <liw> not the dvds?
[15:36] <persia> Well, it probably *should* have been more images, but system-cleaner came late enough in the cycle that most seeds weren't updated to include it.
[15:36] <davmor2> heno: Going onto slowband and I'd just about finished syncing the first lot :)
[15:37]  * heno wanders of for a break, back for more testing later
[15:41] <slangasek> liw: dvds built later so weren't hit by the race condition
[15:41] <liw> slangasek, ok
[15:41]  * liw starts upgrade testing edubuntu
[15:51] <ara> davmor2: where are you based?
[15:51] <davmor2> Wolverhampton
[16:07] <jdstrand> fyi-- I'm testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2127/46 (upgrade Ubuntu i386)
[16:11] <davmor2> slangasek: have the ubuntu cd's been re-rolled?
[16:45] <davmor2> ara: http://picasaweb.google.com/davmor2/Christmassy#5262246690783571394
[16:45] <ara> davmor2: :-)
[16:58] <ara> well, guys, I am off for today. See you tomorrow. have a nice day/evening (apply to your time zone)
[17:00]  * pedro_ starts xubuntu i386
[17:54] <davmor2> slangasek: are the new, new, new ubuntu iso's up yet?
[17:59] <liw2> blip
[18:01]  * liw takes on ubuntu amd64 and i386 upgrades
[18:17] <davmor2> finally :)
[18:22] <davmor2> I will mostly be testing ubuntu wubi and m-a which will include desktop and autoresize
[19:02]  * heno takes the remaining 64 bit studio tests and u-alt-64 expert and rescue
[19:11] <davmor2> asac: query on the new home page, is the Ubuntu help meant to go to the 8.04 help page?
[19:12] <asac> davmor2: which link is that?
[19:13] <asac> i mean ... where are you looking at new homepage?
[19:13] <davmor2> asac: in firefox on a fresh install
[19:13] <davmor2> on intrepid
[19:13] <asac> davmor2: i dont have a new homepage there yet
[19:14] <asac> its still 8.04 here
[19:14] <asac> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.10/
[19:16] <davmor2> asac: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/home.png
[19:16] <asac> davmor2: well. that url isnt in my yard ;)
[19:16] <davmor2> just realised though it just goes to help.ubuntu.com
[19:16] <asac> also the caching invalidation didnt work (it wasnt updated here)
[19:17] <asac> davmor2: yeah. its unversioned
[19:17] <asac> davmor2: please ping newz2000 about that
[19:17] <asac> davmor2: ok i pinged him and asked him to come here
[19:17] <davmor2> I threw me because of the big Ubuntu 8.04LTS in the title ;)
[19:18] <davmor2> :)
[19:18] <asac> davmor2: well. thats definitly wrong ;) ... and should be fixed
[19:18] <newz2000> hey
[19:18] <asac> in one way or the other
[19:18] <asac> newz2000: hey ;)
[19:18] <asac> thanks for the prompt join-up ;)
[19:18] <newz2000> np
[19:18] <asac> newz2000: two things:
[19:18] <newz2000> what's up?
[19:18] <asac> newz2000: http://paste.ubuntu.com/63720/
[19:19] <asac> newz2000: so: a) help points to 8.04 (or at least help.ubuntu.com suggests that)
[19:19] <asac> (is that mdke i need to bug?)
[19:19] <davmor2> newz2000: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/home.png the link for Ubuntu Help takes you to help.ubuntu.com but it has a big 8.04 LTS on the front page ;)
[19:19] <asac> newz2000: b) for me the new homepage wasnt refreshed (proxy problem?)
[19:19] <asac> newz2000: i had to run shift-ctrl+reload to get the new homepage
[19:20] <newz2000> well, regarding a: I suspect the doc team will provide me an update homepage for help.u.c soon
[19:20] <asac> newz2000: ok. i will check that with mdke
[19:20] <newz2000> regarding b: that's interesting, maybe your shift+reload fixed it for all
[19:20] <asac> newz2000: will the homepage from 8.04 point to a versioned help then too?
[19:20] <asac> newz2000: hah ;)
[19:21] <newz2000> what do you mean by "homepage from 8.04" ?
[19:21] <newz2000> oh, on the start page
[19:21] <newz2000> ah, good question
[19:21] <asac> newz2000: i got the page that was previously used for 8.10 ... which was a copy
[19:21] <newz2000> no, it won't, but there will be a tab at the top that says 8.04 I think
[19:21] <asac> forcing reload brought the new to my face
[19:22] <asac> newz2000: ok. maybe we should also display which version they are currently running then ;)
[19:22] <asac> (if possible
[19:22] <asac> )
[19:22] <asac> but not a big thing
[19:22] <newz2000> I wonder if we should link the 8.04 start page directly to the 8.04 docs
[19:22] <newz2000> we probably should
[19:22] <asac> newz2000: thats what i mean
[19:22] <asac> newz2000: we should ask mdke what the plan is for versions et al
[19:23] <asac> newz2000: imo we should always link to the versioned doc page
[19:23] <newz2000> yeah, if things are the same as they have been for the last several releases he'll have a tarball for me to upload soon. At that time I'll change the 8.04 start page's help link
[19:23] <newz2000> I agree
[19:24] <asac> newz2000: ok. if there is a version namespace available for help.ubuntu.com that will work
[19:24] <asac> is that the case?
[19:24]  * asac just revealed his ignorance about help.ubuntu.com
[19:24] <newz2000> yes, it follows the convestion help.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[19:25] <asac> newz2000: ok. anything i should do to properly remind you of that?
[19:25] <asac> or is all handed over now ;)
[19:26] <newz2000> no, it doesn't make sense to do anything until the help docs are uploaded so when that happens i'll know to do the start page too
[19:26] <asac> newz2000: ok :) ... ACTION: make help link versioned for 8.04 and 8.10 homepage when the content gets deployed
[19:27] <davmor2> asacbot back in action then ;)
[19:46]  * davmor2 moves onto Xubuntu
[20:28] <liw3> yo
[20:34] <liw> I think I'm done for today
[20:34] <davmor2> liw: Nooooooooooooooooooo,  Oh alright then ;)
[20:34] <liw> there's three upgrade tests remaining, and I couldn't get a Kubuntu amd64 hardy install done so that needs someone else; I can do the two Xubuntu ones tomorrow, though
[20:41] <davmor2> liw: I'll take the 64bit upgrade but not till tomorrow :)
[20:47] <mdz> note that the BBC plugin is non-functional due to a server-side problem, will be fixed tomorrow
[20:55]  * heno afk
[22:08] <slangasek> davmor2: how goes the testing?  do things feel on-track to you?
[22:08] <slangasek> (and others)
[22:09] <davmor2> slangasek: getting there as long as there are no more re-spins should be okay
[22:10] <davmor2> I'm finishing off xubuntu tonight which leave 3 upgrades and a handful of tests on each cd tomorrow
[22:10] <mathiaz> slangasek: -server is rolling well.
[22:11] <TheMuso> heno: thanks for doing studio amd64.
[22:11]  * TheMuso is going to do studio i386 now, and also test studio amd64 just to be sure.
[22:11] <slangasek> davmor2: "handful of tests on each CD" - is that intentional?  Seems suboptimal to me
[22:12] <davmor2> slangasek: as in 2-3 on 70% ish and 1 test on the rest
[22:13] <slangasek> yes, is that intentional to have the unfinished cases distributed in such a manner?
[22:14] <slangasek> because that makes it harder to get other people to help sweep up if we fall behind due to the larger download requirements
[22:14] <davmor2> slangasek: No I think people are just grabing 1 or 2 tests and that is all
[22:14] <davmor2> but on a plus side it does knock the overall amount down :)
[22:16] <slangasek> ok; some of our testers for final have just a few assigned test cases, so in that case it makes sense
[22:16] <davmor2> slangasek: it also means tomorrow we'll split the tasks remaining between the regular tester and blitz through them :)
[22:16] <slangasek> ok. :)
[22:17] <heno> slangasek: I try to do some of the more odd-ball and time consuming tests first like OEM and expert that others are less likely to mop up in the end
[22:17] <heno> TheMuso: rock! thank you :)
[22:18] <heno> The remaining stuff doesn't look to bad, provided the mobile guys take care of MID and UMPC
[22:19] <slangasek> ok
[22:19] <davmor2> heno: I can run the umpc test whilst the others are running
[22:19] <heno> ok, cool :)
[22:20] <slangasek> davmor2: I think UMPC is better left to the mobile team, unless you happen to have hardware that matches their targets?
[22:20] <davmor2> but they'll need to hit mid I don't have the hardware for it :)
[22:20] <davmor2> slangasek: acer aspire one netbook
[22:20] <stgraber> heno: I'll do LTSP tonight
[22:20] <stgraber> heno: so consider both Ubuntu Alternate as done
[22:21]  * heno had a quick rest while his text box was IO-bound and is now fresh for more hours of testing
[22:21] <heno> stgraber: cool!
[22:21] <slangasek> davmor2: I don't know if that's specifically among the target hardware - thus I was going to leave it to Mobile to sort out :)
[22:21] <davmor2> slangasek: It works.  But I don't mind leaving it to them :)
[22:22] <davmor2> saves me putting netbook remix back on it :)
[22:22] <slangasek> "works" != "targeted", so I really would recommend leaving it for them to sort out
[22:37] <davmor2> heno: I'm running the last 2 tests on Xubuntu now then I'm hitting the sack
[22:38] <heno> davmor2: ok, sleep well :)
[22:40] <bdmurray> I'm doing kubuntu alt amd64 entire disk w/ encryption now
[23:59] <slangasek> krafty: hi, you marked http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2175/27 as a failed test for you; is this because of the two issues you commented on?


[00:07] <bremden> I'm trying to set up a personal web server with ubuntu server 14.04, system powers up, but after selecting the boot disk, it goes to a blank screen with a flashing cursor, and becomes unresponsive to input. Anyone know if this is a hardware issue?
[07:54] <eagles0513875_> hey guys im taking over a server that right now is a mess in terms of permissions in /var/www all sites at the moment are set to 777
[07:54] <eagles0513875_> how can i switch all said directories and files back to their original permissions
[08:31] <YamakasY> does any know how I can run dirsrv on a public IP instead of localhost ?
[09:03] <SlIva> test message
[09:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> hey lordievader
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> got a question im working on a work vps at the moment to try and fix permissions question for you
[09:56] <eagles0513875_> how can i restore a directory and its files permissions back to the defaults
[10:00] <Kartagis> eagles0513875_: permissions default vary by your requirements, there are no set defaults
[10:00] <lordievader> ^
[10:00] <eagles0513875_> Kartagis: there are defaults
[10:00] <eagles0513875_> i thought there were
[10:00] <Kartagis> no
[10:00] <eagles0513875_> 775 for directories and 664 for files
[10:00] <Kartagis> 755 for d, 644 for f
[10:00] <lordievader> eagles0513875_: Err no.
[10:01] <lordievader> That is for some dirs a really bad ide.
[10:01] <eagles0513875_> Kartagis: right that is what i meant sorry
[10:01] <lordievader> idea*
[10:01] <eagles0513875_> right now what they are set to which is 777 is worse
[10:01] <Kartagis> eagles0513875_: but like I said, permissions default vary by your requirements, there are no set defaults
[10:01] <lordievader> What folder are we taking here?
[10:01] <eagles0513875_> lordievader: websites directories in /var/www
[10:01] <eagles0513875_> which are set to 777 at the moment
[10:02] <eagles0513875_> and they were not set by me but by the previous admin
[10:02] <Kartagis> 777 is evil dude
[10:02] <lordievader> Hmm, there 755 is fine and 644.
[10:02] <ikonia> it really depends though
[10:02] <ikonia> eg: some wordpress permissions can require 777 or 775
[10:03] <ikonia> eg the temporary directory
[10:03] <ikonia> it's not a black and white answer
[10:03] <ikonia> you need to evaluate your web site needs and set them correctly
[10:03] <eagles0513875_> ok
[10:03] <Kartagis> listen to the man
[10:04] <lordievader> +1
[10:04] <eagles0513875_> i am listening to him :)
[10:04] <Kartagis> speaking of which, never ever use wordpress
[10:05] <Kartagis> it's more evil than the satan
[10:05] <eagles0513875_> lol Kartagis my job is using it and i need to upgrade it badly lol
[10:05] <eagles0513875_> so i did a bit of digging and in the forums it seems like default 755 and 644 permissions are sufficient for wordpress
[10:05] <ikonia> Kartagis: grow up
[10:05] <ikonia> Kartagis: it's one of the most widely used and respectted web platforms
[10:05] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: no they are not
[10:06] <Kartagis> ikonia: most widely used, and most widely hacked
[10:06] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: would you mind if we take this to the wordpress channel as its not really ubuntu server on topic
[10:06] <ikonia> Kartagis: because of incorrectly setup sites
[10:06] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: you can take it to the wordpress channel, there are experienced guys in thtere
[10:06] <eagles0513875_> ok no problem
[11:31] <Azaril> hey
[11:31] <Azaril> im using 12.04
[11:31] <Azaril> does this use /etc/anacrontab by default?
[11:32] <Azaril> i cant find it
[11:40] <lordievader> Azaril: Is anacron installed?
[11:43] <rbasak> Azaril: it's not installed by default on server.
[11:53] <Azaril> ahah
[11:53] <Azaril> that would explain it
[12:21] <Azaril> if i install anacrontab, the entries for cron.daily, cron.weekly etc are still there
[12:21] <Azaril> (in /etc/crontab)
[12:22] <Azaril> will the jobs get run twice?
[12:22] <rbasak> Yeah they stay there.
[12:22] <rbasak> My jobs in /etc/crontab test for anacron
[12:22] <rbasak> Not sure about Precise.
[12:24] <Azaril> ah i see
[12:24] <Azaril> so the or wont run the crontab bit
[12:24] <pmatulis> morning
[12:24] <Azaril> 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
[12:26] <rbasak> Right
[12:26] <rbasak> pmatulis: o/
[14:41] <alreece45> Hm... what's some good configuration management systems to use, now-a-days?
[16:17] <sudormrf> !ping
[16:33] <jgornick> Hey guys, is it possible to reset the udev persistent net rules with the available adapters on my server?
[16:56] <zul> jamespage: vivid is slowly building...fixing things as i see them
[17:22] <jamespage> zul, awesome
[17:22] <jamespage> zul, oh eventlet asap
[17:22] <jamespage> I mean't to look today
[17:39] <zul> jamespage,  what about eventlet?
[20:25] <zul> jamespage: synched python-eventlet from experimental
[22:04] <grendal_prime> has anyone seen a linux smb/cifs server  other than samba?
[22:04] <grendal_prime> cause ive about had it with samba4
[22:04] <grendal_prime> i cant get anything to work right on it.
[22:05] <grendal_prime> also if anyone knows of a way to get samba3 running on 14.04 please speak up.
[22:08] <fridaynext> grendal_prime: I have samba running on my ubuntu 14.04 server box, but i don't know which version it is
[22:08] <grendal_prime> and it works?
[22:08] <fridaynext> works great - transfers blaze along at 110MB/s over CAT5e
[22:09] <grendal_prime> dude..ive got 4 production file servers that run on samba3 with 20 users on each..never had any trouble with it.  I upgraded one of them to samba4..nothing works.
[22:10] <fridaynext> very strange... missing dependency?
[22:10] <grendal_prime> no..
[22:10] <fridaynext> ah, looks like I'm running samva 4.1.6
[22:10] <grendal_prime> ya me to
[22:10] <grendal_prime> im building a new one from scratch on vm
[22:11] <fridaynext> you try creating new shares?
[22:11] <fridaynext> my shares are really basic - only allows my user to access the shares.
[22:11] <fridaynext> write access for all of them (i store my time machine backups, iphoto, imovie, and itunes libraries on the shares)
[22:12] <grendal_prime> so i need to have several shares.  and make them group owned
[22:15] <grendal_prime> generic clone is done..setting up ip and system name
[22:21] <grendal_prime> do you manage that with cli or do you use some tool of some sort?
[22:21] <grendal_prime> fridaynext, ?
[22:22] <fridaynext> grendal_prime: I initially set it up with cli - I might have added one of them with webmin, but I'm pretty sure in the end I did them with cli.
[22:23] <grendal_prime> ya i use to use webmin to do all the management of that, the webmin module is now broke.
[22:23] <grendal_prime> well doesnt work for samba4 anyway.
[22:23] <fridaynext> try restarting the service?
[22:24] <grendal_prime> dude..for like 2 days ive been working on this..im pretty aware of the need for that..
[22:24] <grendal_prime> but thanks for asing.
[22:24] <fridaynext> grendal_prime: juuuust checking.
[22:24] <grendal_prime> asking that is..
[22:24] <grendal_prime> i know..i know.. i would do the same thing
[22:24] <fridaynext> are you on webmin 1.710?
[22:24] <grendal_prime> ya
[22:25] <fridaynext> let me check my samba settings to see if anything looks finnicky in it.
[22:25] <fridaynext> man, my settings are SUPER basic.
[22:25] <fridaynext> are you visiting webmin over https?
[22:26] <fridaynext> like when you say it's 'broke', do you mean not loading anything at all, or something else?
[22:26] <grendal_prime> webmin is fine..
[22:27] <grendal_prime> the problem is, have you ever set up shares that were group owned?  if not then samba4 probably works just fine with very basic settings. Ive got that to work ok. but
[22:28] <grendal_prime> i would use the users and groups management on webmin for the samba box, add users to a group, then they have access to those shares.  all of that no longer works the way it use to.
[22:29] <grendal_prime> i think it just doesnt work at all.  I saw one bug report that basically stated that, if you force ownership on a share, nobody can log into it then.
[22:34] <fridaynext> is it a huge group? might work better to just put in each username.
[22:35] <grendal_prime> cant get that to work either
[22:35] <grendal_prime> if its wide open its fine..problem comes in when you start forcing ownership of created files and dirs.
[22:36] <grendal_prime> if you are going to have several people accessing the files you have to make them group owned.
[22:41] <fridaynext> yeah
[23:07] <Vladimir_> is there any ubuntu alternatives for Citrix?
[23:09] <sarnold> Vladimir_: qemu/kvm, either managed as standalone tools or via libvirt or maybe via proxmox (I haven't looked into proxmox much, it might not actually require a distribution like ubuntu or not..)
[23:11] <Vladimir_> sarnold: thanks , I've looked into proxmox a bit
[23:11] <sarnold> Vladimir_: of course if you have enough machines you can go full openstack
[23:14] <FilthyMacNasty> guys I want a web interface music server, help?


[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> cat v fox on kittykam https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9j38UmSYjClWHFXYXo5TU1TS3M/view?usp=sharing
[00:14] <daftykins> :O
[00:14] <daftykins> who won?
[00:16] <zmoylan-pi> i think the fox has eaten 1-2 kittens but one of the bigger battle moggies has torn strips off the fox from the sound of the fights i've heard and the moggie is still around while fox is rarer these days
[06:19] <kjvarley> Interesting problem. Hosts file redirect of pseudo-domain name to localhost works in Firefox but not in Chrome...Any ideas ?
[06:27] <kjvarley> Got it
[06:27] <kjvarley> Was using domain.localhost as a vhost which causes conflict
[07:07] <MooDoo> howdy all
[07:07] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:54] <popey> yo
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Hug Your Cat Day! 😃
[09:02] <foobarry> and get scratched
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> well if you know your cat you'll know what times of the day you can sneak up, hug the little beggar and make a non bloody getaway :-)
[09:04] <popey> one of ours is so soppy, you can pick him up and hold him upside down in your arms like a baby
[09:05]  * zmoylan-pi remembers my father giving a cat in the 70s a pill while wearing heavy motorbike gloves and the cat managing to scratch his hand THROUGH the leather of those gloves...
[09:10] <Laney> want to get a cat
[09:10] <Laney> would need to replace burglar alarm system though :'(
[09:11] <shauno> your alarm is an angry dog?
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> just give the cat the pin code :-)
[09:11] <JamesTait> Laney, there are ones that are advertised as pet-safe. YMMV.
[09:12] <Laney> That's what I mean, I stupidly got a non pet safe one
[09:12] <Laney> it was only 6 months ago too
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> what feature of it is not petsafe?
[09:13] <Laney> it would be triggered by a pet moving around
[09:13] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: It'll trip when it sees the cat, rather than ignore low/small movements.
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> that can be disabled by a reprogramming, get a quote on how much it would cost
[09:14] <popey> i thought they all had sensitivity settings
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> I am pretty sure our ancient one does not.
[09:14] <Laney> not that I know about anyway
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> But then it is ancient.
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> i know when i worked with alarm box installers in 90s that they were starting to be able to reprogram the alarms remotely to save on visits to out of the way places
[09:14] <TwistedLucidity> At least it's wired though.
[09:14] <Laney> maybe a Man™ would be able to
[09:15] <TwistedLucidity> Laney: Would need an installation manual, often hard to find in public.
[09:15] <Laney> the brochure talks about it but I have the feeling that it is a different kind of sensor
[09:15] <popey> i remember seeing a WatchDog (or some other program) where this conman installer would put alarms in with an added timer circuit which would trip after the warranty expired, and make the alarm break.
[09:15] <JamesTait> popey, I think the pet-safe ones are kind of zonal as well, so the lower part of the sensor is less sensitive than the upper part. At least that's how I understood what the fitter was telling me.
[09:15] <popey> People would call him, he'd reset the counter
[09:16] <popey> I should consider an alarm at some point
[09:16] <popey> not been any burglaries round here for years :S
[09:16] <Laney> oh god
[09:16] <popey> maybe we're due one
[09:16] <Laney> you said it
[09:16] <popey> hah
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> Our alarm went wonk a while back. We walked around the streets and did a small census of the alarms we could see. Then called the company most people seemed to use.
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> All it needed was a new battery....
[09:19] <shauno> I still think they're largely pointless
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> their job is not to stop breakins but make the robber go to your nearest neighbour WITHOUT an alarm
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> In truth, they probably are. But if our place is riskier than the neighbours'...which one will they go for
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Same reason we switched the locks to ones marked "anti-bump/anti-snap". It just causing hassle for them.
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> Although 30+kg of enraged dog does that as well....
[09:21] <popey> nice and sunny today
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah, looking good for the w/end
[09:22] <shauno> I think my concern is that I've never known anyone who calls the police when an alarm goes off.  they just turn the TV up
[09:22] <popey> bbq weather
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you pay for monitoring so a central station calls plod
[09:23] <popey> it's handy having a plod living in the road, even if he's "only" a dog handler
[09:23]  * zmoylan-pi used to fix the pcs in the central station bunkers.  twas fun seeing the doors on those places
[09:24] <popey> means his plod car is often here
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> and i also got to write the software that /decoded/ the signals coming in on the leased line from all the burgalar alarms in ireland
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> if <person I dislike> then router=ignore
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> in vb... :-D
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> 5 or 6?
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> 4!
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> Poor sod
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> i got it working and it ran without been restarted for years.  that took effort
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> If Firefox suggests "Reader view" one more time, I may do something unspeakable to it....
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> And it doesn't even work on the site where it suggests it. HAH!
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> FF is really going downhill these days....
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> as is chrome, opera...
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> i use midori these days most of the time.  terrible but less annoying
[09:29] <awilkins> The kind of feature creep you get when your product does what it was designed for really really well
[09:29] <awilkins> And you have a big successful dev team who now have nothing to do
[09:29] <awilkins> Except fix really trivial stupid bugs
[09:30] <shauno> then keep a couple around to fix big, and send the rest off to make their mail client stop sucking :)
[09:31] <awilkins> Oh crikey yes, Thunderbird neesd an update
[09:31] <awilkins> Needs to do label support like Gmail does
[09:33] <shauno> thunderbird doesn't just need an update, it needs to be taken out back and shot
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's reached critical stupidity
[09:34] <awilkins> It's not that bad, surely
[09:34] <awilkins> My main gripes with it are to do with the calendar stuff
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> when i read a lot of people talking online about using evolution as thunderbird is just so bad these days...
[09:34] <awilkins> But they are mostly Microsoft's fault for being annoying
[09:35] <awilkins> I *hate* evolution
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> these people hate evolution too but use it as it's less annoying than thunderbird...
[09:35] <awilkins> It disgusts me even that Unity uses it's backend to integrate the calendar into the desktop
[09:36] <shauno> I used to like evolution, way way back when
[09:37] <shauno> gave up on it when the prefs dialog stopped fitting on my monitor, and never found my way back
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> I use Thunderbird daily, it's the best email client on GNU/Linux IMHO
[09:43] <TwistedLucidity> Well, GUI email client.
[09:43] <foobarry> geary?
[09:44] <foobarry> doesn't get mentioned much
[09:44] <TwistedLucidity> Does that do CardDAV and CalDAV like Thunderbird?
[09:44] <foobarry> geary is more lightweight
[09:44] <foobarry> but nice UI
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> I use Thunderbird as a PIM as well as a mail client.
[09:45] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't geary have inflexible ui?
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> So I need that DAV support to get appointments etc sync'd
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> I'd like to try KMail seeing as I use KDE, but it seems it randomly deletes emails.
[09:51] <TwistedLucidity> Or so I'm told
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> is it up to government standard of losing emails? :-)
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Or certain newspapers....
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Seems that get_iplayer has been updated after the BBC broke everything again.
[10:00] <foobarry> also youtube_dl works i think
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> Why Auntie can't support iPlayer on GNU/Linux or Kodi is beyond me.
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: The Beeb changed the APIs a couple of days ago
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> Or, better yet, let the community get on with it. The Kodi iPlayer plugin worked really, really well. All it needed was the BBC to stop acting so heavy-handed
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> and the odds of that are...
[10:02] <awilkins> The BBC don't like people downloading iPlayer stuff
[10:03] <awilkins> :-(
[10:03] <awilkins> Or rather, their content partners don't
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: The Kodi iPlayer does not permit downloads. The developer made it very clear they would not offer that feature
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> They were trying to play fair, which is admirable
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> get_iplayer on the other hand......
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> And these projects only existed because the BBC left a vacuum.
[10:07] <TwistedLucidity> They are happy enough to support closed-systems like iOS and Facebook...so our license fee goes to support that; rather than support *us*
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> Like Netflix (other streaming services are availbale) and copyright infringement, if you provide a service people can actually use; they stop looking for alternatives.
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> I'm mostly irritated because I was halfway through "Buried" when it all went AWOL. :-(
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> to management in beeb ios IS mobile.  facebook IS email
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> Unfortunately true
[10:09] <TwistedLucidity> I wonder if iPlayer can be made to run under WINE.....
[10:10] <shauno> ios rant seems wildly of-base, tbh
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> and the rest of us are hoodie wearing evil hackers trying to take down apple and facebook in glow of our screens at night...
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Not really. BBC is funded by what is in essence a tax. I have every right to be annoyed when that goes to support walled-gardens instead of openness.
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> the beebs mandate is to educate and inform but they choose ios over any other platform when it is the platform least used by the poor
[10:11] <shauno> iplayer's on android & ios.  between the two they make up 95%+ of the smartphone market.
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> I'd also argue that it runs counter to the IT education aims.
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> shauno: Indeed. And it's on Windows and OS X too. So why not on GNU/Linux or the likes of Kodi? As if said before, the Beeb don't need to write the code; just not be heavy handed.
[10:13] <shauno> I'm just saying that as far as return for the money goes, they're on exactly the platforms I'd expect them to be on
[10:13] <shauno> rather than going the 'open' route and having 7 users paid for by 6 million.
[10:14] <foobarry> linux are teh 1%
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> So don't pay, just stop making life hard for the community
[10:18] <foobarry> they wanted to make it even worse
[10:19] <foobarry> but were blocked from doing so
[10:19] <foobarry> something about encrpyting all their streams
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> Well....this is amusing http://ipd-hq.api.bbc.co.uk/latest/linux
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Yup, that will be forced from the media companies. That have this bizarre idea that making legal use hard is somehow going to help
[10:21] <TwistedLucidity> And this does exist http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/computer/linux/
[10:22] <TwistedLucidity> Hmmm....
[10:23] <TwistedLucidity> And they say the test on Linux-based (Ubuntu 11 in this case) browsers; that's more than most I guess
[10:25] <m8ty> Hi all
[10:25] <popey> At once point the BBC actually hired a guy to fight back against get_iplayer
[10:25] <popey> his job was to make get_iplayer not work
[10:25] <foobarry> wow
[10:25] <popey> He has since moved on (works at facebook now iirc)
[10:25] <TwistedLucidity> See - it's that kind of thing.....
[10:25] <foobarry> heh
[10:26] <m8ty> get_iplayer still works and well  luckily
[10:26] <TwistedLucidity> It just got an update to cope with the latest breakage
[10:26] <popey> which is ridiculous given bbc redux, where they store all programmes from all terrestrial channels and allow for a small set of people to download them with no drm on any platform over http
[10:27] <TwistedLucidity> Hmm?
[10:27] <shauno> iplayer doesn't allow indefinite downloads on any platform.  I don't get the "but we're special" rant at all.  I think people forget get_iplayer's a hack.
[10:28] <m8ty> Has nayone had an issue where Toshiba "chicony " webcam being detected and confgigured as keyboard hence doesn't work????
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> I'm not saying "we're special".  Gives them good PR, expands their reach, cost is trivial.
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> I understand their hatred for get_iplayer, but that only exists because of the vacuum left when the BBC ditch GNU/Linux support.
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> They write/sanction apps for Smart TVs. Writing/sanctioning the Kodi plugin is not a great leap.
[10:32] <foobarry> i wish there was a similar hack for 4od
[10:32] <foobarry> which doesn't even work wotih chromecast!!
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> Don't 4od put all their stuff on YouTube?
[10:32] <foobarry> no
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> And there used to be a Kodi plugin for that as well
[10:32] <foobarry> used to
[10:32] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, OK
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> Interesting.....
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/04/eu_competition_watchdog_snarls_at_hollywood_eyes_fines/
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> this will all be blocked with tpp as it would be hurting the business of hollywood companies
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> TPP is the pacific one innit? Aren't we getting infected with TTIP?
[10:47] <Myrtti> get-iplayer ♥
[10:47] <TwistedLucidity> And then there's TISA
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> they're all spawn of the same corporations
[10:49] <TwistedLucidity> Your freedom will be packaged and sold back to you. This is for your benefit, citizen.
[10:50] <bashrc_> those trade agreements are really antidemocratic
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> the un has said so recently
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> They are going to happen. There is no way to stop it.
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> if the americans thought prohibition was bad...
[10:54] <bashrc_> there's some sort of rule whereby corporations can sue governments if they don't do what they're told
[10:54] <bashrc_> it's really an indication of who actually holds power
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc_: Which is ridiculous
[10:55] <TwistedLucidity> Corporations are not people. If they were, we could jail them for illegal acts.
[11:27] <intrbiz> TwistedLucidity: a company is still a legal entity, rather than 'jailed' they can be shutdown
[11:27] <zmoylan-pi> but that almost never happens
[11:28] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: sadly, yes
[11:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:39] <bigcalm> intrbiz: do you have a one line command for connecting to the serial console of the 3com switch?
[11:40] <knightwise> 3com ?
[11:40] <bigcalm> 3com
[11:40] <knightwise> I think you need an Indiana jones fedora for that
[11:41] <bigcalm> I have the connection settings, I just haven't worked out how to use screen to connect
[11:41] <bigcalm> Tried minicom and didn't get anywhere with it
[11:45]  * bigcalm installs putty for a giggle
[11:46] <bigcalm> It allowed me to set the settings in a sensible way. Started the session and turned on the switch. I can see the cursor move about as though the self test is running, but there's no text
[11:47] <bigcalm> This is the same result that I got from screen and minicom
[11:49] <diplo> minicom is 'orrible, never got on with it :/
[11:51] <diplo> With screen you've tried `screen /dev/ttyS0 baudratehere` ?
[11:51] <diplo> Or something
[11:52] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ONXea0mX  wow
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> so much easier when you plugged in serial cable connected to your psion back in the day :-)
[11:52] <diplo> Or gtkterm maybe ? Not sure if that is still about though
[11:52] <bigcalm> diplo: yes. It gives the same blank screen with cursor moving about as though it's getting data
[11:52] <knightwise> there
[11:52] <knightwise> ordered !
[11:53] <bigcalm> popey:
[11:53] <bigcalm> This video does not exist.
[11:53] <bigcalm> Sorry about that.
[11:55] <diplo> bigcalm: hmm, maybe baudrate issue.. cant say I've had that issue but haven't had to do anything switch related for a long time
[11:55] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ONXea0mXg
[11:55] <popey> oops
[11:56] <popey> missed a g off the end
[11:56] <bigcalm> That's impressive
[11:58] <diplo> Watched it earlier, a lot of nay sayers though
[11:59] <popey> meh
[12:00] <diplo> Reading the reviews on play.google a lot of people saying speech recognition isn't that great
[12:01] <diplo> That's what I got from comments on some posts, was that it was set to understand the guy in the demo :)
[12:01]  * diplo will wait and see!
[12:02] <popey> we had problems with touch in Ubuntu some years back
[12:02] <popey> some people couldn't get it to recognise gestures.
[12:02] <popey> It was somewhat tuned for the guy who maintained touch in Ubuntu :)
[12:03] <diplo> I guess that's where having a company the size of apple and google comes in handy with all that data
[12:05] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I've used minicom in the past
[12:06] <intrbiz> bigcalm: what baud are you using
[12:10] <intrbiz> bigcalm: 19,200 should be the default, assuming previous owner didn't change it
[12:13] <bigcalm> intrbiz: using the default listed in the PDF manual...
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> even if you select the wrong speed on serial you should get gobbledegook
[12:15] <intrbiz> bigcalm: assuming your cable works, then all I suggest is trying differing baud rates
[12:17] <bigcalm> intrbiz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11564502/
[12:18] <bigcalm> That's a lot of settings to mess about with
[12:18] <bigcalm> Just change the baud rate?
[12:18] <intrbiz> bigcalm: just change the rate: try: 38400 and 115200
[12:18] <bigcalm> Okay :)
[12:18] <intrbiz> bigcalm: it'll by 8n1 with no flow control
[12:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: if your not seeing anything, it'll be the rate, or the cable
[12:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: possibly also 9600
[12:19]  * zmoylan-pi suspects cable by the sound of blank screen
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> unless some twonk set it to 115,200 and you're trying at 9600 or vice versa
[12:24] <bigcalm> 38400 & 115200 = nothing
[12:24] <bigcalm> 9600 = a little bit of cursor movement
[12:24] <bigcalm> 19200 = a lot of cursor movement
[12:24] <bigcalm> But no actual visible text from anything
[12:26] <intrbiz> bigcalm: in what way does the cursor move?
[12:27] <zmoylan-pi> i've never used the terminal program you named, it's not set for black text on black background by any chance? /really dumb suggestion
[12:34] <shauno> other thing worth trying is to just smack enter a few times to give it something to reply to
[12:35] <shauno> I've a few things like that where the login string is sent before you connected to it, so it's actually waiting for input.  the string doesn't sit in a buffer waiting for you
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> and ctrl-m instead of enter in case it's using wacky protocol, had that happen a few times
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> yeah it's waiting for you to type username on blank screen
[14:07]  * popey tuts at bigcalm and his vertical video
[14:08] <bigcalm> popey: I know :(
[15:28] <ujjain> Hey, if you create a directory called $HOME, it seems you can't delete it with rm -rf $HOME
[15:29] <popey> of course, shell expands $HOME to /home/youruser
[15:29] <popey> rm -rf \$HOME
[15:30] <ujjain> ah yeah, that makes sense
[15:40] <intrbiz> ujjain: or single quote it
[15:40] <ujjain> single and double quotes are differnet?
[15:40] <intrbiz> ujjain: yes
[15:42] <intrbiz> ujjain: double quote allow interpolation, single do not, eg: T=test; echo "$T"; echo '$T'
[15:42] <ujjain> ah right
[15:42] <ujjain> #bash tells me every time to doublequote variables
[15:43] <ujjain> and that there is no good reason to use all-caps variables
[15:43] <intrbiz> ujjain: sure, if you want the variable to be interpolated, otherwise don't use double quotes
[15:43] <intrbiz> ujjain: all caps is just a coding style thing
[15:43] <ujjain> right thanks
[15:47] <shauno> I use caps for envars and lowercase for regular vars.  but it just habit, it means nothing to the system
[15:48] <shauno> (also, I think creating a folder named $HOME comes under "enough rope to hang yourself with" ;)
[15:49] <intrbiz> yes, always be weary of rm -rf
[15:52] <ujjain> I think steam once deleted all the files of a user while installing
[15:52] <ujjain> they had rm -rf /$STEAM_HOME in a bash script
[15:52] <ujjain> but didn't check if $STEAM_HOME was set :P
[15:55] <intrbiz> grrrr, LibVirts documentation really is terrible :(
[15:56] <zmoylan-pi> if the documentation was good it would be out of date :-)
[15:56] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: well, often, the little bits of documentation they actually have are wrong anyway
[15:57] <zmoylan-pi> i never said anything about been right :-)
[15:57] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: didn't say you did, just pointing it out
[16:22] <mapps> perfect
[16:22] <mapps> cant see my phone display
[16:22] <mapps> it' somehow like its been set to as low as poss
[16:41] <daftykins> mapps: o0
[16:41] <daftykins> that's what you get for buying fruit ;)
[17:16] <popey> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-gobq-grill-redefining-portability neat
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> a fold up shovel would be smaller for making a bbq pit...
[17:20] <intrbiz> popey: pretty neat, but how bulky is the charcoal to carry around
[17:20] <popey> who carries charcoal around?
[17:20] <popey> you but that near where you're cooking
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> artists :-)
[17:20] <popey> hah
[17:21]  * zmoylan-pi prefers my kelly kettle.  tiny volcano kettle used for making tea using minimum of fuel.  can boil a brew with a newspaper
[17:22] <daftykins> neat!
[17:22] <mapps> ?
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Kettle
[17:24]  * popey hugs his weber
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> my father had a primus stove that dated back pre 40s i think.  i always remember when driving on holiday brewing up beside the road on that primus... a cup of tea so hot you'd burn the mouth off you


[07:57] <clad> hi guys
[16:50] <tbs> all distros that based on ubuntu 19.10 are  same, cuz ubuntu wanted that, i also needed to add 32bit lib for installing steam, it worked fine for me
[16:52] <tbs> i couldnt install steam, tried a lot ways, but with a guy's help here, after adding 32 bit lib i could run steam normally, currently using it.
[16:52] <tbs> btw
[16:52] <tbs> if u have enough pc power
[16:53] <tbs> i suggest you to try it with virtual machine
[16:53] <tbs> install lubuntu19.10 to vm, than install 32 lib than adroid studio, so you may see how it would be if u try it on ur system
[16:56] <tbs> i dont know much about linux, im just a  user, so i m not sure about how it would go
[16:56] <tbs> but wait
[16:56] <tbs> i can try it:D
[16:57] <tbs> i like trying^^
[17:11] <tbs> i installed android studio
[17:11] <tbs> but idk how to try it like you
[17:11] <tbs> if u tell me what to do i can try it as u wish
[17:13] <tbs> btw i have 4gb ram
[17:14] <tbs> so that s why u use lubuntu:)
[17:15] <tbs> it s downloading a lot of things
[17:15] <tbs> my internet speed is about 1,5mb/s
[17:16] <tbs> im thinking about adding ram, but it s expensive...
[17:20] <tbs> (while waiting its downloading) first reason i use lubuntu is it s light, i saw some lighter distros but in all light distros i tried lubuntu is more stable and good looking imo
[17:22] <tbs> im downloading project via " clone or download " button
[17:25] <tbs> it s downloading somethings while syncing i guess
[17:31] <tbs> still syncing
[17:33] <tbs> r u still there?
[17:39] <tbs> it gave error, said i need android 28 or something like that, i found it and installing now
[17:39] <tbs> it also said something about "license" with yellow flag
[17:42] <tbs> i couldnt continue to syncing so im restarting it after installing android 28
[17:44] <tbs> build complated succesfully with 1 warning
[17:46] <tbs> andoid gradle plugin(1 warning) : DSL element 'useProguard' is obsolete and will be remover soon. use 'android.enableR8' in gradle.properties to switch between R8 and Proguard..
[17:47] <tbs> do i need to install that plugin?
[17:48] <tbs> yw, cya ^^
[18:35] <tbs> it seems noone asking anything so i ll
[18:36] <tbs> there s some options at screensaver that not installed, how can i install them?
[20:19] <nmzm> hello everyone! :)
[20:22] <nmzm> I have a question, maybe a little bit strange -> I want to create a desktop shortcut for the app which is inside /home/username/ folder. But can I specify home folder as -> $HOME or ~/?
[20:23] <nmzm> I know that I can do that in .sh scripts, but in .desktop files I'm getting an error. :(
[20:35] <tbs> nmzm: idk much but i have another solution
[20:35] <tbs> to start apps what i use is quick launch widget at panel
[20:36] <tbs> if u drag ur app and drop on it, you can start ur app via it
[20:36] <nmzm> Hmm, I believe this is much easier than what I want to do. Thanks for the solution, tbs! :)
[20:36] <tbs> i configured my panel transpared and autohide 500ms
[20:37] <tbs> at left side and mid
[20:38] <nmzm> I'll try to do that, thanks! :)
[20:40] <tbs> btw you need to active compton if u want ur panel transparent, which is under Configuration settings>session settings>basic settings
[20:41] <tbs> here guys are so helpfull, they may answer ur question when they see
[20:41] <tbs> im just a user
[20:41] <tbs> they r pro:D
[20:41] <tbs> yw, have a nice day ^^
[20:42] <nmzm> Yay, it works! Nice :D
[20:42] <tbs> btw i said wrong, it s 500ms animation duration and 250ms show with delay
[20:43] <tbs> good, i like side hidden panels a lot:D
[20:44] <tbs> one more thing
[20:44] <tbs> to make icons bigger, first you need to make ur bar bigger before u add icons
[20:47] <nmzm> Oh, there's too much I need to learn :D
[20:48] <tbs> that s all i know about this already:D
[23:17] <sweb> hail again
[23:18] <sweb> is dependecy bug solved for lubuntu? https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/lubuntu-desktop
[23:18] <sweb> it's depend on https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/network-manager-gnome and the whole gnome will be install
[23:18] <sweb> problem reported on raspberry  pi 4
[23:19] <sweb> wxl, kc2bez ?
 sweb I haven't had much time to spend with it but if you use the task select method of installing lubuntu-desktop you don't get gnome-shell. `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop^ sddm`
 the carpet symbol (^) is not a typo
 caret
[23:24] <wxl> carpet X'D
[23:25] <wxl> i think that's this one ~
 autocorrect
 XD
[23:28] <sweb> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VcWrDw8fS3/
[23:29] <wxl> sweb: did you understand what @kc2bez suggested you do to solve that problem?
[23:29] <sweb> yeah seems be problem with default dependecy he/she suggest to add sddm with lubuntu-desktop
[23:30] <wxl> yes. have you tried it?
[23:30] <sweb> yeah, seems be gnome-shell removed from list
[23:30] <wxl> and so that solves your problem. is there anything else you need from us?
[23:31] <sweb> no thanks but how could i suggest to path this page: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[23:31] <sweb> ?
[23:31] <wxl> you mean fixing the instructions for other people?
[23:32] <sweb> wxl: yes
[23:33] <wxl> sweb: well if you want to, you can use the link at the bottom of the page to report a bug on the site (https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/ubuntu.com/issues/new?body=%0a%0a%0a---%0a*Reported%20from:%20https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi*). if you do please @wxl and @tsimonq2
[23:36] <sweb> thanks for time
[23:37] <wxl> thank you!