[05:44] <sweet_kate> hello: how can i write under linux a floppy that i need for windows?
[05:44] <trappist> sweet_kate: just mount it and copy the files over
[05:45] <sweet_kate> you say?
[05:45] <dark_suic> yes, you can
[05:46] <evil-doer> i thought id give quake 3 a try just to see how it runs, surprisingly it runs very smooth even on this old junker, but i have no mouse control.   the mouse is a logitech ps/2 mouse. any ideas?
[05:46] <xatalinux> i will like to install KDE desktop in ubuntu ....can someone help me ?i'm very new in linux...
[05:47] <xatalinux> thank you very much
[05:48] <dark_suic> evil-doer, i've had the same problem
[05:48] <dark_suic> a friend of mine solved the problem, although i don't know how
[05:48] <dark_suic> but he told me
[05:48] <dark_suic> that it works better under cedega than with the native linux version
[05:49] <Howcomes> Alrite, i give up for today - currently booted into Windows :P
[05:50] <xatalinux> i can install KDE desktop from syneptic?
[05:50] <xatalinux> or not/
[05:50] <xatalinux> ?
[05:50] <dark_suic> xatalinux,
[05:50] <dark_suic> look for the package
[05:50] <dark_suic> kubuntu-desktop
[05:51] <Howcomes> now Kubuntu is saying fsck encounter something odd run manually, and to mount first, then says running fsck on a mounted drive is certain death....ok then
[05:51] <dark_suic> it should install all kde-desktop you need to make it work
[05:51] <xatalinux> were i can run this comand?
[05:51] <Stele> i just upgraded my kubuntu and rebooted - I get the "X" desktop but not the kdm desktop
[05:51] <sweet_kate> what is my floppy dir? /media/floppy??
[05:51] <casey> ok i downloaded the .deb files for libdvdcss how do i install them now?
[05:52] <Stele> how can I fix this?
[05:52] <eightiesk> i have a problem could someone help me?
[05:52] <eightiesk> i updated gaim yesterday
[05:52] <dark_suic> ask for the problem, eightiesk don't ask if we can help you :P
[05:52] <eightiesk> then it erased gunifications.
[05:53] <eightiesk> soi i typed in sudo apt-get gunifications
[05:53] <eightiesk> and it goe the old gaim 2.
[05:53] <eightiesk> this is my 5th day in linux...
[05:53] <eightiesk> i'm kinda puzzled and scared
[05:53] <eightiesk> lol
[05:53] <dark_suic> if installing a package removes another, is common that if you try to install the another it will uninstall the first :P
[05:53] <casey> im on day 1 so dont feel too bad
[05:53] <jpatrick> eightiesk: use the source.....
[05:53] <dark_suic> they will probalby be uncompatible
[05:56] <Stele> i think i have a conflict between the kubuntu nv driver, and the NVIDIA one from their site
[05:56] <Stele> how can I uninstall BOTH of them and "start over" with the nvidia one?
[05:56] <eightiesk> jpatrick, how do you install from source?
[05:56] <dark_suic> Stele, you shouldn't need to uninstall both and then install the another
[05:56] <dark_suic> is all configurable :P
[05:57] <jpatrick> eightiesk: depends on what you're trying to install
[05:57] <Stele> er, ok :)
[05:57] <Stele> my kdm desktop still wont start after a reboot
[05:57] <dark_suic> Stele, let's see
[05:57] <eightiesk> k
[05:57] <dark_suic> what nvidia do you have?
[05:57] <Stele> i have a Quadro FX 3400 - the same thing as a GFORCE 6800 Ultra
[05:57] <eightiesk> my nividia i had to use vesa
[05:58] <Stele> my X is stuck on right now and I can't kill it to rerun the NV installer
[05:58] <Stele> i want to try reinstalling the nvidia one but I need to kill the X server first
[05:58] <Stele> im logged in remotely but I cant kill it
[05:58] <hussam> I found this http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ . I'm thinking of upgrading from kde 3.4.3 to kde 3.5.1 .
[05:58] <dark_suic> stele, hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 and write sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:58] <hussam> anybody's tried that?
[05:58] <eightiesk> ne one know any custom res.
[05:58] <dark_suic> hussam, i'm at kde3.5.1
[05:58] <jpatrick> hussam: not officially support until release
[05:59] <jpatrick> hussam: i guess
[05:59] <Stele> dark_suic - Ctrl+Alt+F1 no worky
[05:59] <Stele> the display is hung
[05:59] <DjDarkPingvin> Stele: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[05:59] <dark_suic> yeah, i've seen that kde-latest still points to kde3.5.0
[05:59] <Stele> er, no
[05:59] <eightiesk> cntrl+alt+F2
[05:59] <dark_suic> Stele, if that doesn't work... you'll probably have to hit the reset button :P
[05:59] <jpatrick> dark_suic: because 3.5.1 isn't released yet
[05:59] <hussam> dark_suic: from the same repository?
[05:59] <dark_suic> i know, jpatrick
[05:59] <dark_suic> hussam, yeah, i have that kde3.5.1
[06:00] <dark_suic> with no problems for the moment
[06:00] <dark_suic> i updated 2 days ago and no problem for the moment
[06:00] <dark_suic> i know, jpatrick :) but well, is almost almost almost here :P
[06:00] <aeon17x> What is the name of the KDE character map?
[06:01] <hussam> dark_suic: cool then I'll upgrade from 3.4.3 to 3.5.1
[06:01] <eXistenZ> where can I updated to 3.5 from
[06:01] <Stele> im logged in remoteluy
[06:02] <Stele> no matter what i try i cant seem to kill the X server
[06:02] <Stele> what if I enter a different run level?
[06:02] <Stele> (not sure which one)
[06:02] <dark_suic> eXistenZ, deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main
[06:03] <dark_suic> Stele, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:03] <dark_suic> from where you can write anything
[06:03] <Stele> i tried that
[06:03] <Stele> it claims kdm is not running
[06:03] <dark_suic> then try /etc/init.d/kdm start
[06:03] <dark_suic> and see what error gives
[06:04] <Stele> kdm already running
[06:04] <Stele> but when i view the other machine, it is stuck at a corrupted X background
[06:04] <Stele> i can move the cursor - but no KDM
[06:05] <Stele> and I can't ALT+CTRL+F key out of it
[06:05] <dark_suic> i would try hitting the reset button
[06:05] <dark_suic> it seems that it has locked itself somehow
[06:05] <Stele> but it will just reboot back into the same situation
[06:05] <Stele> i need to get it not to start up X
[06:05] <dark_suic> ok
[06:05] <dark_suic> then you could
[06:06] <Stele> "kdm stop" says "kdm not responding to TERM signal"
[06:06] <dark_suic> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somehow
[06:06] <Stele> ok
[06:07] <dark_suic> look for Section "Device" and there you'll find a section Driver "nv" or "nvidia" turn it into vesa, save and reboot
[06:07] <Stele> roger that
[06:09] <Stele> ok i got a console login prompt and no kdm
[06:09] <Stele> prob because i told it my monitor ONLY supports 1920x1200 (LCD)
[06:09] <Stele> i am going to try reinstalling the nvidia driver
[06:10] <Stele> but shouldnt i UNINSTALL the current nv package?
[06:11] <Stele> crap - it is still messed up
[06:11] <Stele> kdm DID start, though I cant see it
[06:11] <hussam> dark_suic: upgrading to kde 3.5.1 wants to install hspell , do I need that?
[06:11] <Stele> and i cant kill it
[06:11] <Stele> :-(
[06:12] <dark_suic> Stele, it will be because of the monitor... you shouldn't try to uninstall the nv package... just try installing the nvidia one, it should just work
[06:12] <dark_suic> if you have the nvidia-installer install it that way
[06:12] <nite_w0lf> what reositories doe Kubuntu use?
[06:13] <nite_w0lf> rpositories*
[06:13] <dark_suic> else, you could try the repository's drivers
[06:13] <jpatrick> nite_w0lf: Ubuntu-s
[06:13] <dark_suic> nite_w0lf, same as ubuntu
[06:13] <c0rrupt`> does anyone know how to use a physical disk in vmware and boot to a windows partitio that is already installed while in linux.. im getting an error when setting /dev/hdc as the harddisk
[06:13] <Stele> ok i put the list of monitor modes back, removed "glx" from the modules list, and rebooted again
[06:13] <Stele> this stuff was supposed to be easy :(
[06:14] <Stele> surely i could just go to a differnent runlevel instead of rebooting all the time?
[06:14] <c0rrupt`> hdc2 is my windows partition, and im setting wmare to use it only
[06:14] <nite_w0lf> can packages be downloaded from KDE and installed/converted or do they have to be compiled
[06:15] <Stele> yay i got a desktop (with vesa driver)
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> Unable to complete wizard: The specified device is not a valid physical disk device.
[06:15] <jpatrick> nite_w0lf: Kubuntu makes extra KDE packages
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> anyone good w/ wmare
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> vmware
[06:15] <Stele> ok i shut down kdm cleanly now
[06:15] <seashell11> ok, in kde 3.4 is there any way to make it so that the wireless networking will automatically switch from my home to work?
[06:15] <nite_w0lf> very good jpatrick. thank you
[06:15] <trappist> c0rrupt`: you're going to be sad if you let vmware use a real windows partition
[06:16] <Stele> running nv installer again
[06:17] <Stele> woohoo!
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> whys that
[06:17] <Stele> working!
[06:17] <Stele> now - how do i make sure the proper driver loads when i reboot?
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> i run linux off of physical when in windows all the time
[06:17] <casey> how do i install stuff not in Kynaptic? i'm new and don't know how to do anything
[06:17] <Stele> this is what happened last time - it messed up when i rebooted
[06:17] <trappist> c0rrupt`: windows will say woah, wtf is all this new hardware, and where did all my old hardware go?  then if you want to actually boot to windows it'll flip the hell out, in my experience
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> oh ic
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> thanks for the advice
[06:17] <trappist> c0rrupt`: linux is a lot more adaptable to hardware changes
[06:18] <trappist> c0rrupt`: you can put a hdd with linux on it in a whole new box and expect it to work most of the time.  not so with windows.
[06:18] <Stele> IS there a way to move a HD from a windows box to another?
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> trappist, is there a working ntfs driver for linux 2.6 kernel?
[06:18] <Stele> such as if i upgrade my motherboard to a dual core?
[06:18] <trappist> c0rrupt`: define 'working'
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> works with 2.6
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> CAN write to ntfs
[06:19] <dark_suic> good it works Stele  :)
[06:19] <ccc_> casey: best is if you find a deb-package, install it with: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[06:19] <trappist> c0rrupt`: google for 'captive ntfs'
[06:19] <Stele> thanks dark_suic
[06:19] <c0rrupt`> yea but isnt that only for 2.4...
[06:19] <Stele> i should have tried the vesa trick before
[06:19] <dark_suic> what you mean with the hd moving?
[06:19] <c0rrupt`> they stoped developing captive ntfs and its not compatiable w/ 2.6
[06:19] <dark_suic> vesa is the generic driver, it works with (almost) every gcard
[06:20] <c0rrupt`> i think i might of saw some kernel hacks to get it working though.. ;\
[06:20] <casey> i have the .deb file just not sure how to install it. ive never used linux so im used to good ole Install Shield or at worst a DOS command prompt
[06:20] <trappist> c0rrupt`: I don't think so
[06:20] <eightiesk> any one know any custom repositories?
[06:20] <jpatrick> !sources
[06:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:21] <eightiesk> whats dapper?
[06:21] <jpatrick> next Kubuntu release
[06:21] <Niekie> In development version.
[06:21] <eightiesk> !easysource
[06:21] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:21] <ccc_> casey: just use the command i gave you, it will install it.
[06:22] <eightiesk> no thanks on the dev.
[06:22] <eightiesk> ne one like to blog?
[06:22] <jpatrick> eightiesk: I do sometimes
[06:23] <eightiesk> my friend has made a blogging system would u rate it for me?
[06:23] <eightiesk> http://eightieskhild.codewise.org
[06:23] <eightiesk> i like it personally.
[06:27] <eightiesk> jpatrick, did u like it at all?
[06:27] <jpatrick> eightiesk: it's okay :)
[06:28] <eightiesk> whats diffrent in dapper
[06:28] <eightiesk>  nething?
[06:28] <jpatrick> loads of things
[06:28] <eightiesk> like?>
[06:28] <jpatrick> ...
[06:28] <jpatrick> new KDE, etc.
[06:29] <jjesse> for the release notes for dapper: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes-web/C/
[06:30] <eightiesk> jpatrick, nice...
[06:30] <jpatrick> jjesse: it says "This document contains the release notes for Kubuntu Kubuntu Dapper Drake 6.04"
[06:30] <jjesse> jpatrick: nice catch i'll change it right now
[06:32] <jjesse> jpatrick: commited change
[06:32] <jpatrick> jjesse: :)
[06:33] <jpatrick> jjesse: can we i18n that in Rosetta?
[06:33] <eightiesk> jpatrick, i'm lead skin designer for my blog i sent its all custom is has its own project on gna https://gna.org/projects/codewiseblog
[06:33] <jjesse> jpatrick: i don't think the kubuntu docs are uploaded to roseta yet
[06:33] <jjesse> checking though
[06:36] <jpatrick> eightiesk: right
[06:36] <eightiesk> huh?
[06:36] <jpatrick> nm
[06:37] <eightiesk> k
[06:38] <jpatrick> jjesse: I can't see them in the Spanish section
[06:38] <jjesse> docs won't get uploaded into rosetta for a while, i heard that none of dapper is in rosetta???
[06:41] <nikita> hi guys =) I have a question about text encoding. i can browse cyrilic web pages in konq o.k., but whenever i try to copy the text from it to the open-office writer i get strange characters instead of cyrillic letters. is there a possible way to fix that?
[06:42] <dark_suic> nikita, do you have any cyrilic font for openoffice? it may be the problem...
[06:43] <evil-doer> hmm. changed the mouse protocol in xorg.conf to "MouseManPlusPS/2" and still no worky in q3
[06:43] <sampan> nikita, after pasting the text in OOo, have you tried selecting and changing the font to a cyrillic one?  might just be that OOo is interpretting it as your default font instead.
[06:43] <eightiesk> can someone give me there source.list
[06:43] <eightiesk> ?
[06:43] <sampan> happens to me with chinese sometimes
[06:43] <nikita> samopan: i wish i could know how to manage the fonts, how do I install a cyrillic one?
[06:44] <eightiesk> please could someone post there source.list on paste bin.
[06:44] <jjesse> !sources
[06:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:44] <eightiesk> i know
[06:44] <eightiesk> it messed it up.
[06:44] <nat> is it possible to uncompress manualy a pkg.gz  ?
[06:44] <sampan> nikita, i'd think ubuntu already has cyrillic fonts installed -- at least mine does.  just try going into the font selector in OOo and changing it?
[06:45] <sampan> errr, well maybe it doesn't :/
[06:46] <sampan> not entirely sure actually -- but KDE has a very easy to use font installer in system-settings
[06:46] <nikita> sampan: i'll try, thanks
[06:46] <eightiesk> ne1 got a deb file for gaimbeta2?
[06:46] <nikita> dark_suic: hope i'll be able to figure that out now, thanks
[06:47] <eightiesk> one other thing how do i hide the old linux kernels from the boot menu?
[06:48] <jpatrick>  /boot/grub/menu.lst I think
[06:48] <dark_suic> eightiesk, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment the blocks you don't want
[06:49] <jpatrick> eightiesk: I don't like Gaim, Kopete == way better
[06:51] <dark_suic> i agree with jpatrick
[06:51] <eightiesk> ive used gaim since its release.
[06:51] <eightiesk> ive always used it
[06:51] <eightiesk> i'm comfderbale with it
[06:51] <dark_suic> well, i used windows for 10 years and was comfortable with it :P
[06:51] <dark_suic> until i discovered linux :P
[06:51] <eightiesk> lol
[06:52] <dark_suic> :)
[06:52] <eightiesk> well i make stuff for gaim and i like to use the skinsd and smileys ive made
[06:52] <eightiesk> lol
[06:52] <dark_suic> kopete will probably support that things :)
[06:52] <dark_suic> you may just try it :)
[06:53] <eightiesk> can i make the buddy list look at all like gaim?
[06:53] <eightiesk> cuz when i tryed it wouldn't even let me move my folders around.
[06:54] <dark_suic> well, it isn't exactly like gaim, but if it were it would be gaim :P
[06:55] <dark_suic> but you can edit almost everything
[06:55] <eightiesk> lol
[06:55] <eightiesk> i can't move my folders.
[06:55] <jpatrick> A -> Z
[06:55] <visik7> kubuntu from scratch is quite better than install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <dark_suic> yep, i think so, visik7
[06:56] <dark_suic> eightiesk, you can't move your folders by drag & drop
[06:56] <inacio> i dah ubuntu and i whant to install a KDE what i do
[06:57] <dark_suic> inacio, install kubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <eightiesk> then how?
[06:57] <scot``> hi all, anyone know repository that has lame 3.96 or comparable version?
[06:57] <inacio> dark_suic, but it is a pakage
[06:57] <dark_suic> yeah, it is
[06:57] <inacio> dark_suic, i can direct a mirror to download
[06:57] <dark_suic> is a package that will install kde
[06:57] <dark_suic> ????
[06:57] <dark_suic> open the synaptic program
[06:58] <dark_suic> and there search for kubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <dark_suic> and click on install
[06:58] <dark_suic> you won't need to download it manually
[06:58] <dark_suic> eightiesk, i don't exactly know, but i think you can move users between groups
[06:59] <inacio> dark_suic, he send a message sayng: i'm cant execute whithout root
[06:59] <dark_suic> well have to do some housework
[06:59] <eightiesk> yeah but i need the folders in a order
[06:59] <eightiesk> :-p
[07:00] <dark_suic> inacio, it should be on the menu
[07:00] <dark_suic> try looking over the menu
[07:00] <Traum> Traumkiste, you here?
[07:00] <Traumkiste> no
[07:00] <dark_suic> eightiesk, don't know exactly what you want to do, but well, if you look around for a sec you'll probably find how to
[07:01] <dark_suic> back in 20 min
[07:02] <inacio> dark_suic, here had a KDE 3.4 i can install the 3.5
[07:02] <inacio> tou can tellme a mirror
[07:03] <inacio> to input in apt
[07:03] <scot``> i found what i needed thank you
[07:03] <scot``> have a good day all
[07:04] <inacio> anyone know the mirror of the KDE 3.5 to put in the apt repository
[07:05] <reon> Help, My sound works in xmms but not mplayer or totem, any ideas where I set it to use my usb headset ?
[07:08] <visik7> inacio: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[07:08] <inacio> visik7, thanks
[07:18] <Aji-Dahaka> are there kssh packages anywhere?
[07:19] <JakubS_> what package contains xserver-xorg.m4 ?
[07:20] <JakubS_> it is needed to recompile xorg drivers
[07:21] <sweet_kate> i know i am completely OT..but i have win 2000 that cant boot anymore!!! i tried to repair it by installation cd but i haven't the erd(Emergency recovery disk)
[07:22] <sweet_kate> what can i do?
[07:22] <Aji-Dahaka> why can't it boot?
[07:22] <dark_suic> i'm back
[07:25] <eXistenZ> any good multimedia repos. for kubuntu
[07:26] <Aji-Dahaka> any good repos with kssh for kubuntu?
[07:26] <dark_suic> what you call good repos?
[07:26] <dark_suic> kssh i don't know, i use common ssh or putty for gui
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> putty in kubuntu?
[07:27] <dark_suic> in linux i use ssh in konsole, no gui
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, I see
[07:27] <hussam> sweet_kate: what error do you get when you try to boot to win2000
[07:27] <dark_suic> but kde has a "remote control" option
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> I like kssh, it keeps a list and does things for me like fort-forwarding :)
[07:28] <aftertaf> !info kssh
[07:28] <JakubS_> kssh is certainly useful if you have several servers with different options/keys needed for each one
[07:28] <dark_suic> oh, Aji-Dahaka putty IS in kubuntu repos
[07:28] <Aji-Dahaka> huh?  really ... didn't know it was ported to linux :)
[07:28] <aftertaf> !putty
[07:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[07:28] <dark_suic> yeah, it is :)
[07:29] <JakubS_> it is, but i prefer konsole as terminal
[07:29] <dark_suic> it's in universe repos, Aji-Dahaka
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> I like konsole for terminal as well, but would be willing to use putty maybe instead of kssh
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm :(  but I already have my configs for kssh
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> maybe I'll isnstall it manually
[07:30] <Aji-Dahaka> way to lazy to set up another client with 40ish servers :p
[07:38] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, win32-codecs ...
[07:39] <EightiesK> !sources
[07:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:39] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: that's for me, huh :)
[07:39] <Aji-Dahaka> *blush*
[07:39] <EightiesK> i updated my sources.list to update  dapper and now kde won't start.
[07:40] <EightiesK> :-(
[07:41] <reon> Anybody here know where to configure a default sound device if you have teo ?
[07:42] <EightiesK> ne1 know a linux emulator for Windows?
[07:43] <Aji-Dahaka> !w32codecs
[07:43] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:43] <Aji-Dahaka> useful little bot
[07:44] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: there's a userland linux for windows ... sym something?
[07:44] <EightiesK> i dunno
[07:44] <JakubS_> cygwin
[07:44] <EightiesK> i can't get my kubuntu to load.
[07:45] <JakubS_> it is not exactly emulator - you need to recompile stuff
[07:45] <reon> EightiesK, Why do you want a emulator ?
[07:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:47] <dark_suic> hi
[07:47] <EightiesK> for kopete on windows.
[07:47] <EightiesK> i do have a question other than that.
[07:48] <EightiesK> does ne 1 here think Debian is worht the $10 it will cost my in dvdrs to burn and try?
[07:48] <EightiesK> like your opinion.
[07:48] <reon> EightiesK, tried game for windows /
[07:48] <reon> ?
[07:48] <EightiesK> ive had gaim since the first release i think it was .4
[07:48] <reon> EightiesK, ment gaim
[07:49] <dark_suic> EightiesK, if you're installing debian, just burn the first CD
[07:49] <reon> ok
[07:49] <EightiesK> k
[07:49] <dark_suic> the rest of the cds/dvds is just additional packages that you can download with apt-get
[07:49] <EightiesK> but do you like it better that kubuntu?
[07:49] <EightiesK> reon, ive had gaim since its first public release.
[07:51] <dark_suic> EightiesK, kubuntu is still a bit ... needs more developement
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> I prefer kubuntu
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> but to each his/her own
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> (used debian much longer)
[07:51] <dark_suic> debian is... quite good, but for actual hardware you need sid, and for sid you have better kubuntu
[07:52] <dark_suic> but for servers, i do prefer debian
[07:52] <Aji-Dahaka> some here
[07:52] <vge> for network conf, i dont prefer kubuntu :)
[07:52] <dark_suic> and kubuntu for clients / desk pcs
[07:52] <dark_suic> the same, vge :P
[07:52] <dark_suic> i have debian in a laptop due to kubuntu's imposibility to make lan (and wired, not wlan) work
[07:53] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, I have kubuntu on this laptop working great with wired and wireless
[07:53] <kkathman> dark_suic: hmmm dont understand...I have Kubuntu working fine on my network...in fact 3 boxes worth :)
[07:53] <vge> what laptop :)
[07:53] <EightiesK> ive had fc4 ubuntu kubuntu winspire suse  mandrake and slackware in the last 6 days.
[07:54] <kkathman> Mines a Thinkpad
[07:54] <EightiesK> lol
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> vge: thinkpad R series
[07:54] <EightiesK> i'm a linux newbie
[07:54] <EightiesK> i'm trying to try it all
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: tried gentoo yet?
[07:54] <EightiesK> no link?
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> gentoo.org
[07:54] <dark_suic> kkathman, i have an acer laptop, impossible to get net working by dhcp (and windows & debian work ok)
[07:55] <EightiesK> uhhh
[07:55] <EightiesK> me and acer had a falling out
[07:55] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, porr dark_suic :(
[07:55] <kkathman> wonder why so different on Acer?
[07:55] <dark_suic> lol... EightiesK that's maybe too much for just 6 days
[07:55] <EightiesK> with the service department
[07:55] <EightiesK> they still have my tower.
[07:55] <dark_suic> you can't try it properly in 6 days (although mandriva in 5 minutes is known to be shit :P)
[07:55] <kkathman> gosh my Lappy came up without me having to touch anything
[07:55] <Aji-Dahaka> same here ... things just work
[07:55] <dark_suic> kkathman, have a Broadcom ethernet
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> dark_suic: haha, mandriva.
[07:56] <EightiesK> SUSE i couldn't get x server to start.
[07:56] <dark_suic> i'm waiting for dapper to be released to see
[07:56] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: btw, you get the kmilo thing working right?
[07:56] <kkathman> Uhmm dont think that was me Aji-Dahaka
[07:56] <EightiesK> i can't get kubuntu to work
[07:56] <dark_suic> mandriva sucks in just 5 minutes (when grub/lilo doesn't load or when usb just doesn't work :P)
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> mandrake was okay for a long time, but they went way wierd in the last few years. I used them for years and when I found kubuntu I was removing mandrake from my system 1 hour later, after abotu 6 years of use.
[07:56] <kkathman> EightiesK: what didnt work
[07:57] <EightiesK> i changed sources.list to get dapper and when i rebooted.
[07:57] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: no, was a more general question.  It constantly tells me to chmod /dev/nvram
[07:57] <EightiesK> when it goes to xserver it freezes
[07:57] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: was wondering what the general solution was, as you are a thinkpad user as well
[07:57] <EightiesK> and i have to sestart.
[07:57] <EightiesK> reboot/restart.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> one moderately important showstopper with dapper I just learned is cups1.2 and kde don't mix. :(
[07:58] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka: like I said I never touched a thing...it just worked
[07:58] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[07:58] <EightiesK> so i'm in windows and i'm dling debian and dapper
[07:58] <kkathman> unfortunately my lappy is a company one, and mostly windows :(
[07:58] <reon> !sound
[07:58] <EightiesK> im try debian for a min
[07:58] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:58] <EightiesK> then
[07:58] <EightiesK> dapper.
[07:58] <Aji-Dahaka> so when you touch the volume buttons, you get the on-screen indicator that you changed volume?
[07:59] <kkathman> EightiesK:  try kubuntu, but dont go to dapper..it will work
[07:59] <EightiesK> is there a channel ne 1 knows for debian?
[07:59] <kkathman> dapper isnt a released product
[07:59] <Aji-Dahaka> #debian ?
[07:59] <kkathman> its in development
[07:59] <EightiesK> i know.
[07:59] <kkathman> thats prolly the reason it didnt work
[07:59] <kkathman> hehe
[08:01] <EightiesK> no i think cuz i used adept to update.
[08:01] <Aji-Dahaka> you shouldn't use dapper
[08:01] <Aji-Dahaka> it's definitely some broken
[08:03] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka: it kinda waivers between stable and downright uh oh
[08:03] <Aji-Dahaka> :)
[08:03] <Aji-Dahaka> it's fun :)
[08:03] <EightiesK> !source
[08:03] <ubotu> from memory, source is to compile a source package, you first need to 'apt-get build-essential'. Some source packages have other dependencies, such as KDE or Gnome development libraries also. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompileSoftware
[08:04] <EightiesK> !sources
[08:04] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:04] <tmr> ls
[08:04] <EightiesK> ne 1 know ne Repositories not listed there?
[08:04] <Aji-Dahaka> excellent ... as per usual, just worked
[08:04] <Aji-Dahaka> anime time!
[08:05] <kkathman> EightiesK: what are you trying to do?
[08:05] <EightiesK> get more auto installed programs
[08:05] <EightiesK> lol
[08:06] <kkathman> EightiesK:  what are you looking for specifically?
[08:06] <kkathman> there are like 17,000 in the standard repos dude
[08:06] <EightiesK> games and media stuff
[08:06] <kkathman> thats not enough?
[08:06] <EightiesK> and like plugins
[08:06] <kkathman> easy to find them in the repos
[08:06] <EightiesK> how?
[08:06] <kkathman> apt-cache search
[08:07] <kkathman> apt-cache search game
[08:07] <kkathman> apt-cache search plugin
[08:07] <dark_suic> :P
[08:08] <kkathman> EightiesK:  Unlike SUSE, and others, (k)ubuntu uses very static repos for stability. Its not a good idea to add other repos unless a) you are absolutely sure they'll work, or b) Kubuntu makes an announcement
[08:09] <EightiesK> k
[08:09] <EightiesK> how do i make my media players actually work
[08:09] <kkathman> EightiesK: which media player?
[08:10] <kkathman> typically I'd suggest you download and install the xine engine for your players
[08:10] <kkathman> i.e. for kaffeine,  install kaffeine-xine and choose to use that engine in the app
[08:10] <kkathman> same for amarok
[08:11] <EightiesK> i dunno
[08:12] <EightiesK> what media player should i use?
[08:12] <kkathman> try them all out :)
[08:12] <vge> just install vlc player and all work
[08:12] <kkathman> see which one you like
[08:12] <vge> vlc or mplayer if you ask me
[08:12] <kkathman> Im not a good resource to ask about media...I dont run any on my linboxes
[08:13] <boz> Hi everybody.  I have question that will that will sound more like a gripe than a question , but here goes....lol.  I have an above average mastery of computers and programming languages (i was writing source for the C64 25 years ago, and spent hours upon hours punching those boxcar tickets for assembler ; ) )  Why is it so damn hard to master this OS?   I me
[08:13] <boz> an it shouldn't take DAYS to install a usuable OS.  All I want to do is set up a linux based streaming server for an internet radio station)  I can NOT for the life of me get Icecast up and running.  After throwing in the Towel last night at about 5 am I finally managed to get Shoutcast up and running. Should i just stick with shoutcast or does anyone have any helpful tips to get Icecast Streaming???? (sorry for the Rant, but i'm beginning to g
[08:13] <boz> et a little wide eyed   O.O  Thanks for being here for me,  You guys have been a TRemendous Help!
[08:13] <kkathman> boz NO!  please dont flood!
[08:13] <vge> its a LOTR+1000 pages
[08:13] <kkathman> hehe
[08:13] <boz> sorry K
[08:14] <boz> that was a little longer than i intended
[08:15] <enfact> kubuntu's repos are good for basing new distros on :)
[08:15] <enfact> ;P
[08:16] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: I wrote an icecast + musicpd howto for freebsd ... maybe it could help?
[08:16] <apacheLAGger> anyone got a build system with kde and ubuntu (breezy)?
[08:17] <boz> link me up I'm desperate!
[08:18] <boz> im not familar with musicpd but i'll f=give er a shot
[08:18] <dark_suic> (i bet i will never understand people installing ubuntu and then kde instead of kubuntu directly...)
[08:18] <boz> I made the same mistake dark ; )
[08:18] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: freebsdwiki.net/ is the site
[08:18] <Aji-Dahaka> boz my netwerork i bs being a bit ... iffy
[08:19] <Aji-Dahaka> ah!
[08:19] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Icecast_and_Muscipd seems right
[08:19] <boz> Iffy i don't need.  Took me forever to get a vimicro webcam working (and not very well) lol
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: oh, the iffy is just the wireless I'm on currently
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> :p
[08:20] <boz> thanks aji, i'll check it out
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> but yeah, that solution works great for what I needed
[08:21] <enfact> hhey kkathman
[08:22] <kkathman> hiya enfact :)
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: the musicpd bit lets you choose which music will be playing (set up a playlist, manage the files in a database thing) so you can change which client lets them select music by changing the musicpd client and the icecast streams in my case in ogg over the network, though my collection is actually flac, ogg, and mp3
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (I'm inconsistent when I rip)
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> more anime!
[08:23] <kkathman> what anima?
[08:23] <kkathman> anime?
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> japanese animation
[08:23] <boz> thats exactly what i'm looking for mp3 and ogg compatible
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (listening practise)
[08:24] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: hope that helps
[08:24] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: any questions, just message me:)  I'll be in and out
[08:24] <boz> Thanks Aji
[08:27] <boz> My Idea is to stream the Superbowl (which would prolly give the NFL attorneys a fit) at work, but i'm running out of time : )
[08:59] <dutchie> hi all ...
[09:00] <dutchie> I'm comfortable with the Printer Configuration program but ... is there a way to create a "printer shortcut" icon on the desktop that would allow quick access to things like "start/stop printer" ?
[09:00] <dutchie> tee-hee .... it's for my dad
[09:01] <Blissex> dutchie: yes.
[09:01] <humberto> hi
[09:01] <dutchie> Blissex: great, how do I go about doing that ?
[09:01] <Blissex> dutchie: you can put a ''shortcut'' to the printer control KDE thingie on the desktop.
[09:02] <dutchie> hm, kinda tried that before ... mustn't have been very good at it
[09:02] <Blissex> dutchie: actually I have it on my panel/Kicker bar at the bottom. Probably easiest
[09:02] <dutchie> right ... hmmmm
[09:02] <dutchie> not sure how to make that appear
[09:02] <Blissex> dutchie: right click on the panel/Kicker, and select the "Print System" icon.
[09:03] <Blissex> dutchie: right click on the panel/Kicker, select "Panel menu", then "Add applet", and select the "Print System" icon.
[09:03] <dutchie> gotcha
[09:04] <dutchie> thanks a lot !
[09:19] <humberto> \join #Boiro
[09:29] <yellowdart> anyone here have an opinion on kdevelop for SDL projects?
[09:29] <yellowdart> or should i stick with emacs and make :)
[09:30] <OSPirate> I just installed kubuntu for the first time
[09:30] <OSPirate> is there like a default Root password?
[09:30] <hussam> anybody here's on dapper?
[09:30] <OSPirate> because it never asked me for a root password while installing it
[09:30] <OSPirate> and I'm quite confused
[09:30] <yellowdart> OSPirate: no, the root password is disabled by default...just 'sudo command'
[09:31] <leafw> what is the package that holds the qdeveloper, or kdeveloper, or whatever name it has?
[09:31] <dark_suic> leafw, kdevelop3
[09:31] <leafw> aparently qt3-designer didn't install it
[09:31] <OSPirate> yellowdart, how can I set a root password?
[09:31] <dark_suic> OSPirate, it isn't recomended to set a root pass
[09:31] <OSPirate> fair enough
[09:31] <dark_suic> OSPirate, it's way better to do it via sudo
[09:31] <OSPirate> thats just how I've always done it
[09:31] <yellowdart> OSPirate: well, you really dont need to...it's a security issue, because you can do any root tasks using sudo
[09:32] <OSPirate> thats the thing
[09:32] <OSPirate> I don't want my regular user
[09:32] <OSPirate> to have root privalages
[09:32] <OSPirate> as simply as typing sudo
[09:32] <yellowdart> who is your regular user??
[09:32] <OSPirate> me
[09:32] <yellowdart> why dont you want the ability for root privs?
[09:32] <OSPirate> but I mean who I log in as
[09:33] <OSPirate> security issue
[09:33] <OSPirate> I want to leave my regular user logged in
[09:33] <OSPirate> but have to log in as root for serious administration stuff
[09:33] <yellowdart> any other users that you create are not part of the admin group..and cannot use sudo
[09:33] <OSPirate> oh I see how they do it
[09:33] <OSPirate> most distro's create a root password, and a limited user account for primary use
[09:33] <OSPirate> during the installation
[09:34] <OSPirate> thanks people
[09:34] <yellowdart> yeah, they do it like osx where there is an admin...which uses sudo
[09:34] <kkathman> yellowdart:  unless you change the sudoers of course :)
[09:35] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe...'sudo visudo' takes care of that
[09:35] <kkathman> yah :)
[09:38] <yellowdart> i'm debating whether i should install (k,x)ubuntu-desktop on my lappy here..i'm sitting at a server install
[09:39] <kkathman> if its a server, why?... but honestly I have xubuntu on my 128mb server here at home
[09:39] <yellowdart> kkathman: no, i installed with 'server' option :)
[09:40] <yellowdart> it's a laptop.. mainly for web dev...and i have dual-boot with xp
[09:40] <kkathman> ahh ok
[09:40] <yellowdart> i just dont think that i want the bulk of kubuntu
[09:41] <yellowdart> it's a pIII 800mhz 512mb
[09:41] <yellowdart> and very limited drive space
[09:41] <yellowdart> something like 9GB
[09:45] <E-Train> Anyone know how to turn off/on a network interface card?
[09:47] <CellarDoor> hello all, sorry to be a pain but where is my hda1 supposed to be mounted ? Its just that its not showing up in system:/media when I click on 'storage media'.
[09:48] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  its mounted whereever its mount point is
[09:48] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: what is hda1 on your system??
[09:49] <kkathman> CellarDoor: sudo fdisk -l  and check the addr
[09:49] <CellarDoor> my hard drive
[09:49] <kkathman> then look in your fstab
[09:49] <CellarDoor> sorry I'm a bit of a n00b still
[09:49] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: 'cat /etc/fdisk | grep hda
[09:49] <yellowdart> oops...without the '
[09:49] <yellowdart> does anything appear?
[09:49] <kkathman> and  after that....  sudo cat /etc/fstab    and look where the mount point is
[09:50] <CellarDoor> just a sec
[09:50] <yellowdart> kkathman: :)
[09:50] <kkathman> lol we just firehosed him :)
[09:50] <kkathman> hehe
[09:50] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe...sorry, been working with a win 98 boot disk all day
[09:51] <kkathman> hey...win98 boot disk has saved MANY a win machine in my lifetime :)
[09:51] <kkathman> no matter WHAT the os was on the machine at the time :)
[09:51] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: do what kkathman says :)
[09:51] <CellarDoor> ok this is what I have first up
[09:51] <CellarDoor>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda1   *           1        4677    37567971   83  Linux
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda2            4678        4865     1510110    5  Extended
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda5            4678        4865     1510078+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[09:51] <yellowdart> kkathman: i know what you mean...saved me a few times today
[09:52] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  thats a typical thing
[09:52] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: ok..tdoes your system boot to grub?
[09:52] <kkathman> I'll bet your mountpoint will be /
[09:53] <CellarDoor> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:53] <CellarDoor> #
[09:53] <CellarDoor> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[09:53] <CellarDoor> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[09:53] <kkathman> yep thought so
[09:53] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: yeah, it's probably / (ie: your entire filesystem)
[09:53] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  is your system not able to boot?
[09:54] <CellarDoor> yes, its not a major problem, its just that my hard drive doesnt show up in my 'storage media' menu like it used to
[09:54] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: you are probably thinking in windows terms...linux doesnt show things like 'C:' or 'D:' ...even your cd is at /media/cdrom0
[09:55] <kkathman> My hda isnt in my media either
[09:55] <kkathman> its no big deal
[09:55] <yellowdart> '/' is your entire filesystem
[09:55] <Aji-Dahaka> could someone please tell me what "echo $KDEROOTHOME " prints for them?
[09:55] <kkathman> yellowdart is right
[09:55] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: nothing
[09:55] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka:  same as $HOME
[09:55] <CellarDoor> its just that it used to show up and I was just trying to get it back the way it was - it used to show anything that was mounted in there
[09:56] <gamma> roothome prints blank for me
[09:56] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: alright.  thanks ... for some reason my kde is being funny
[09:56] <gamma> home prints the correct dir
[09:56] <kkathman> CellarDoor: you can make it that way...but I would leave it alone
[09:56] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: you can have it show on the desktop if you want
[09:56] <Aji-Dahaka> it's just putting the files in ~ instead of ~/.kde
[09:57] <CellarDoor> ah its not that important
[09:57] <kkathman> funny Aji-Dahaka now it reports nothing
[09:57] <kkathman> hehe
[09:57] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: right-click -> configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons (tab)
[09:57] <CellarDoor> yeah I dont want icons cluttering up my desktop
[09:59] <Aji-Dahaka> wonder why it would put everything in ~/ ...
[09:59] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ...
[09:59] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: just saying your options...what i would do is 'add applet' to the panel...'quick file browser'
[09:59] <yellowdart> that's personally my favorite 'gui' method of browsing the filesystem
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> it sohuldn't be the same as $HOME, I don't think ...
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> kdehome=$HOME/.kde
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> test -n "$KDEHOME" && kdehome=`echo "$KDEHOME"|sed "s,^~/,$HOME/,"`
[10:01] <CellarDoor> It was just nice having it show up in system:/media when I click on the 'storage media' menu, thats all... I'm sure it was originally like that and I unwittingly changed it somehow
[10:01] <Knowerrors> Heard KDE 3.5.1 is being released tomorrow, already moving into debian unstable
[10:02] <dark_suic> don't know, i already have it on breezy...
[10:02] <kkathman> Knowerrors: yah been waiting for final go at Kubuntu.orgf
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> root@Festering:~# konsole --version
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> Qt: 3.3.5
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> KDE: 3.5.1
[10:02] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: personally i've never seen that...maybe you inadvertently made it happen
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> already here
[10:02] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: 3.5.1 on dapper or on breezy?
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> dapper
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> but dark_suic has it on breezy
[10:03] <gamma> oh.. dapper is buggy for me
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> me, too
[10:03] <gamma> does adept crash every second for you?
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> constantly
[10:03] <CellarDoor> yellowdart: meh its not a big deal
[10:03] <gamma> yea they should work on that :D
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> have to restart it after every operation I do
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> and currently my kde is creating all the files in ~/ instead of ~/.kde :)
[10:04] <gamma> i spent a day on dapper, and half the time stuff was crashing or hard locking, so i just went back to breezy
[10:04] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: :D!
[10:04] <gamma> that stinks
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> it was doing this for me in breezy, too, though
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> not sure what's with it
[10:04] <gamma> did you import your config from somewhere else?
[10:05] <Knowerrors> dark_suic: what repo you get it from?
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: nope
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> well, trying to now, but it was doing this before I did
[10:05] <gamma> very weird
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah
[10:05] <dark_suic> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main
[10:05] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: what i did was rm -fr ~/.* and rm /tmp/ksocket-* and some other thing in /tmp
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: that did it for you?
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: you had this same problem?
[10:06] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: no, i was having problems where konqueror and other stuff would complain it couldnt find alsasink and other gstreamer stuff
[10:06] <gamma> that was the only thing that fixed it
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> ah
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> I'll try that
[10:06] <gamma> i'm guessing one of your paths is borked
[10:07] <gamma> dark_suic: thanks for the link
[10:07] <hussam> anybody running kubuntu dapper? Is it usable?
[10:07] <gamma> hussam: adept is extremely broken and i had issues with kernel modules (nvidia and ndiswrapper)
[10:08] <gamma> stuff crashes too
[10:09] <hussam> you're running it now?
[10:09] <gamma> you're better off staying at breezy for another month or so
[10:09] <gamma> hussam: no.. after a day of trying to fix it, i gave up and went back to breezy
[10:09] <hussam> ok
[10:09] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka is on it now though
[10:09] <gamma> he can tell you his experiences ;)
[10:09] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: it's pretty unusable :)
[10:09] <Aji-Dahaka> you'd be impressed
[10:10] <gamma> when devs say things are broken i usually ignore that because it's little bugs
[10:10] <Aji-Dahaka> I tend towards unstable OSen because they are more fun, but this one is leading the pack for my currently installed ones :)
[10:10] <hussam> nividia driver does not work?
[10:10] <gamma> in this case, they're serious :D
[10:10] <trispace> does somebody know about a bug in bogofilter where bogofilter always sets the same spamicity on every message?
[10:10] <Aji-Dahaka> I've got radeon so I can't speak for nvidia
[10:10] <CellarDoor> I'm sticking with breezy at least until I have backed up the goodies on my hard drive that I don't want to lose. :P
[10:10] <gamma> hussam: it wouldn't let me install it with the 686 kernel, it said it'd break the system
[10:11] <gamma> is it possible to convert to dapper when it's released?
[10:11] <Chousuke> gamma: yes.
[10:11] <fatejudger> hussam: the nvidia driver works great
[10:11] <Chousuke> gamma: You just need to edit a few lines in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[10:12] <gamma> fatejudger: 686 kernel?
[10:12] <Chousuke> and run two command
[10:12] <_chris> is anyone running dapper? I'm going to upgrade from breezy tonight
[10:12] <Chousuke> +s
[10:12] <hussam> gamma: I upgraded from hoary to breezy when breezy was released
[10:12] <fatejudger> hussam: dunno about that, I used my FX 5200 on my intel
[10:12] <hussam> fatejudger: I have a FX 5200 as well.
[10:12] <gamma> Chousuke: oh.. ok cool :D
[10:12] <gamma> Chousuke: do they generally release a guide on what to edit?
[10:13] <Chousuke> gamma: it's the same every time
[10:13] <Chousuke> gamma: just change "breezy" to "dapper" this time
[10:13] <hussam> fatejudger: you on dapper, right?
[10:13] <Zeusz> hello all
[10:13] <Chousuke> every occurrence of it, that is
[10:13] <gamma> Chousuke: so i could technically do that now if i wanted to instead of "installing" dapper?
[10:13] <_chris> Chousuke, would you recommend a clean install or a dist upgrade?
[10:14] <Zeusz> I'm trying to compile konversation from sorce
[10:14] <Zeusz> done the configure ing
[10:14] <Zeusz> when i type make
[10:14] <Zeusz> i get the following error
[10:14] <Zeusz> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `m4_symbols' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
[10:14] <Zeusz> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
[10:14] <Zeusz> aclocal-1.9: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
[10:14] <Zeusz> make: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 1
[10:14] <Chousuke> gamma: yep
[10:14] <Chousuke> _chris: an upgrade should work
[10:14] <Zeusz> could you help ?
[10:15] <yellowdart> anybody know the vga modes for grub to do 1600x1200 @ 16bpp
[10:15] <gamma> i'll switch once people tell me things are working well for them
[10:15] <gamma> Zeusz: can't help you on that one
[10:15] <gamma> seems more of a bug with the compile tools than the source code
[10:17] <gamma> brb
[10:17] <Aji-Dahaka> Zeusz: might want to ask in #kde or #kde-devel
[10:17] <Aji-Dahaka> (they're smarttt there)
[10:19] <Zeusz> k
[10:21] <fatejudger> KDE apps seem to open new windows instead of tabs in Dapper, does anyone know about this?
[10:22] <Aji-Dahaka> kde apps?
[10:22] <dark_suic> fatejudger, it's usually configurable
[10:22] <hussam> fatejudger: you mean pages on konqueror?
[10:22] <fatejudger> Konq, Kopete
[10:23] <fatejudger> every KDE app that can use windows or tab
[10:23] <fatejudger> *tabs
[10:23] <Aji-Dahaka> should be set on an app-by-app basis, not sure why they would all change ...
[10:23] <fatejudger> well how would you change it in Konq?
[10:23] <Aji-Dahaka> settings ...
[10:24] <fatejudger> no shit
[10:24] <fatejudger> there's about 20,000 of them in there
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> look through them all :p
[10:24] <fatejudger> I could barely find that obscure aRTS option in the plugin section
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> I don't have it open right now, but it's in the *think*
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> section talking about how you want tabs to be handled one of the top 5 pages, I think
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: konq settings> web behavior
[10:25] <Aji-Dahaka> thanks, hussam
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: konq settings> web behavior > tabbed browsing
[10:25] <fatejudger> it's already enabled
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: is k3b working in dapper?
[10:25] <fatejudger> hold on sec
[10:25] <fatejudger> do you want me to burn a cd or something?
[10:25] <hussam> no
[10:26] <fatejudger> it runs, lets put it that way
[10:26] <fatejudger> new icons too
[10:26] <fatejudger> pretty nice
[10:26] <hussam> sorry, I assumed you tried that already.
[10:26] <hussam> ok cool
[10:27] <Aji-Dahaka> haha!
[10:27] <fatejudger> I'm sure it burns cds
[10:27] <fatejudger> I don't know why it wouldn't
[10:27] <hussam> so basically besides that tab thing, it is stable?
[10:27] <Aji-Dahaka> setting KDEROOTHOME worked perfectly
[10:27] <fatejudger> I'm working on the tab thing
[10:27] <fatejudger> I think I might have figured it out
[10:28] <fatejudger> aha!
[10:28] <fatejudger> it's in the advanced options button in that same window
[10:28] <fatejudger> they fixed that stupid cloned workgroup thing in KDE 3.5.1
[10:29] <fatejudger> but I still can't get SVG wallpapers to work
[10:29] <hussam> fatejudger: what about kernel and X. is it all working properly?
[10:29] <fatejudger> yep, and I have a 1920x1200 rez
[10:29] <fatejudger> so if that works...
[10:29] <hussam> fatejudger: If so, I'm gonna upgrade as well
[10:29] <fatejudger> I had the opportunity to try my new monitor on Windows XP first
[10:30] <fatejudger> and the rendering performance on Linux is far superior
[10:30] <Aji-Dahaka> this katapult thing ... great stuff!
[10:31] <hussam> fatejudger: the 2.6.15 kernel is good?
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> not particularly, but it's a 2.6 kernel
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> they're working in it
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> on*
[10:31] <fatejudger> hussam: I haven't had any problems with it
[10:31] <trappist> yeah <3 katapult
[10:31] <fatejudger> I basically installed Dapper expecting oodles of bugs
[10:31] <trappist> now if only it wouldn't up-scale small icons into ugliness
[10:31] <fatejudger> but I wanted the latest packages and features
[10:32] <fatejudger> I've had very few problems
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> not sure if I like katapult as well as baghira's launcher, but it's gotta be close
[10:32] <fatejudger> and most have to do with KDE customization
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> fatejudger: having the adept constantly crashing thing?
[10:32] <fatejudger> oh geez, yeah, Adept is REALLY flaky
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> :)
[10:32] <fatejudger> they fixed the apt update thing
[10:32] <fatejudger> but you still can't do a full upgrade
[10:33] <fatejudger> I use apt in the CLI, so I didn't notice it for awhile
[10:33] <hussam> so basically what porblems will I face if I upgrade now? just adept?
[10:33] <fatejudger> hussam: let me check Adept again, see if they haven't done an update
[10:33] <Aji-Dahaka> it's still bad on my 10-minute old one
[10:33] <fatejudger> lol
[10:34] <hussam> will I have to reconfigure X?
[10:34] <fatejudger> shit, they're always updating these packages
[10:34] <fatejudger> you have to update like every day
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: for the cool new features !
[10:34] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: baghira's?
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> hooray for EXA
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: yeah, baghira's launcher thing for kicker
[10:34] <trappist> hrm
[10:34] <trappist> is there an ubuntu package?
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> there is for baghira itself
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> yup, it's in there
[10:35] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: to reconfigure x, I run dpkg-reconfigure what?
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> I just edited it
[10:35] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: what repo? I no gotty
[10:37] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: a  'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' should do?
[10:37] <Aji-Dahaka> no idea
[10:37] <hussam> fatejudger: did you have to reconfigure x when upgrading from breezy to dapper?
[10:37] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: universe, it appears
[10:38] <fatejudger> is there a way to configure file associations in the "System Settings" yet?
[10:38] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: I guess you're in dapper?  I don't have it in breezy
[10:38] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, yeah I am
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: I did a fresh install from the Dapper Flight 3 cd
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: I didn't want any problems
[10:38] <hussam> oh
[10:38] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: I have a dapper deb-src, I'll just dpkg-buildpackage it
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: it takes me 10 minutes to backup everything anyway
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: so it was worth it
[10:39] <hussam> fatejudger: I'll try to dist-upgrade, if it does not work, I'll download a daily CD and install it
[10:40] <Aji-Dahaka> it worked fine here
[10:40] <Aji-Dahaka> I even used adept for it
[10:40] <fatejudger> hussam: they're doing daily cds now?
[10:40] <hussam> fatejudger: yes
[10:40] <fatejudger> eh, I dunno how much I'd trust that
[10:40] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: did you trry the upgrade method?
[10:40] <fatejudger> official releases are always more stable
[10:42] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: yeah, I just clicked on it ... worked great
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> ooh, kmail crash :)
[10:43] <fatejudger> Dapper?
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> yup
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> (go figure ... a crash :) )
[10:43] <fatejudger> I can't seem to stop Kontact from loading that stupid KAlarm daemon
[10:44] <fatejudger> I have Kontact open right now and haven't had any crashes
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, I use it so I don't want it not loading
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> I was just expiring 40k messages or so from one of my folders and off it went :(
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> oh well
[10:44] <fatejudger> I would use it, but I'm too lazy to hotsync my Palm Pilot
[10:45] <Aji-Dahaka> off on my morning walk, almost 07:00
[10:45] <Aji-Dahaka> see ya guys
[10:46] <fatejudger> ohh, I should test to see how CDs load
[10:46] <fatejudger> in Breezy they autoload twice
[10:46] <fatejudger> I can't stand it too, because KDE and the kernel will mount the cd
[10:47] <fatejudger> and then perform an action
[10:47] <gamma> oh katapult is sweet
[10:47] <Aji-Dahaka> yup
[10:47] <fatejudger> yeah, I use it pretty often
[10:47] <fatejudger> nice, no more double loading of CDs
[10:48] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: baghira looks more like a theme than a launcher
[10:48] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: it's a theme with a launcher
[10:48] <trappist> oh...
[10:49] <fatejudger> lol, the kde media options daemon just crashed
[10:49] <trappist> ooh I like it
[10:49] <Aji-Dahaka> isn't it sweet?  that launcher is catchy :)
[10:49] <Aji-Dahaka> and the top is most recently used
[10:49] <trappist> well, still haven't figured the launcher out, but I dig the theme
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> the theme was ... okay
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> I prefer crystal myself but ...
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> the launcher is a panel applet
[10:50] <trappist> yeah I just get a style selector, configure, quit and close
[10:50] <trappist> from the panel applet
[10:51] <trappist> oh there it is
[10:51] <fatejudger> well this is stupid, you can't add options in the KDE media notifications anymore
[10:51] <Aji-Dahaka> anyways I'm out
[10:51] <fatejudger> or it crashes
[10:51] <trappist> holy hell that's a beefy launcher
[10:54] <Aji-Dahaka> isn't it great?
[10:54] <trappist> don't know yet, it's gonna take a while to get my head around it
[11:06] <gamma> anyone here having problems with flash pages displaying in konqueror?
[11:06] <gamma> right click brings up the flash menu, but the pictures don't display
[11:08] <fatejudger> gamma: Dapper?
[11:09] <gamma> nah breezy
[11:09] <gamma> no idea whats happening either
[11:09] <fatejudger> let me go to a flash website
[11:09] <gamma> nspluginviewer: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[11:09] <fatejudger> flash works great
[11:09] <gamma> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[11:10] <gamma> and a bunch of those msgs
[11:10] <fatejudger> are you sure the plugin is there?
[11:10] <fatejudger> the way I installed the flash plugin was by getting Firefox
[11:10] <fatejudger> downloading it through there
[11:10] <fatejudger> and then installing it
[11:11] <fatejudger> then I scanned for plugins in Konq
[11:12] <gamma> it worked for me before i reinstalled :/
[11:12] <fatejudger> well how did you installed the flash plugin?
[11:12] <fatejudger> *install
[11:12] <gamma> i've tried it via the install on their website and via apt-get
[11:13] <fatejudger> don't do it via apt-get
[11:13] <gamma> and the java plugin doesn't want to be found by konq either
[11:13] <fatejudger> just download firefox
[11:13] <fatejudger> install it that way
[11:13] <fatejudger> then scan for plugins
[11:14] <gamma> can you install java that way too?
[11:14] <fatejudger> that could be because you have the GNU Java set as default
[11:14] <fatejudger> no
[11:14] <fatejudger> you'll probably want to get the proprietary Java
[11:14] <fatejudger> and set that as default
[11:14] <fatejudger> !java
[11:14] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:14] <gamma> nah i'm using sun, and i ln -sed the file to .mozilla/plugins
[11:14] <gamma> libjavaplugin_oji.so or whatever
[11:14] <fatejudger> it isn't that hard
[11:15] <fatejudger> !javadebs
[11:18] <dbglt> what java installation would you all suggest?
[11:18] <dbglt> in terms of speed, stability, etc.
[11:22] <gamma> i use sun
[11:22] <nikita> !cronyx
[11:22] <ubotu> nikita: I give up, what is it?
[11:22] <gamma> straight from the horses mouth
[11:24] <fatejudger> java just plain sucks in Linux
[11:24] <Red_Herring> not at all
[11:24] <Red_Herring> its MUCH better than on windows
[11:24] <Red_Herring> you just need to install it right
[11:24] <fatejudger> are you kidding me?
[11:24] <Red_Herring> no
[11:24] <fatejudger> install it right?
[11:24] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:24] <Red_Herring> blackdown sucks
[11:24] <fatejudger> tell me, what exactly is the right way to install it
[11:24] <Red_Herring> sorry to admit it
[11:24] <Red_Herring> !java
[11:24] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:24] <fatejudger> so that you get these magical benefits
[11:24] <nikita> guys, can anybody explain me, how do I install cyrillic fonts on the system? rrrrrrr... lol, i give up =) thanks
[11:24] <Red_Herring> !javadebs
[11:25] <Red_Herring> or seveas
[11:25] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[11:25] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:25] <Red_Herring> USE THAT!
[11:25] <fatejudger> because I know that I used Sun's java
[11:25] <fatejudger> not GNU Java
[11:25] <Red_Herring> just try azureus under windows, then under linux
[11:25] <fatejudger> and it sucks
[11:25] <Red_Herring> and see which one works faster
[11:25] <Red_Herring> and downloads faster
[11:25] <fatejudger> azureus is horrible in both
[11:25] <Red_Herring> ok
[11:25] <Red_Herring> you are talking crap
[11:26] <Red_Herring> are you using a pII 200mhz?
[11:26] <fatejudger> P4 2.4 mhz
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i have a celeron laptop, and it runs FAST
[11:26] <Red_Herring> 1.5ghz
[11:26] <fatejudger> do you know anything about how Java works?
[11:26] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i program in it
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i know its slower than anything else
[11:26] <fatejudger> exactly
[11:26] <Red_Herring> but its getting pretty fast
[11:26] <fatejudger> the Garbarge Collector
[11:26] <fatejudger> yeah, that's what they all say
[11:26] <fatejudger> and you know what happens?
[11:26] <fatejudger> nothings
[11:26] <fatejudger> *nothing
[11:27] <fatejudger> the only reason it's getting faster is because people's computers are getting faster
[11:27] <Red_Herring> the new 1.5 is a lot faster
[11:27] <Red_Herring> i dont really care for the language
[11:27] <Red_Herring> but still, java under linux runs faster than under windows
[11:27] <Red_Herring> thats a fact
[11:28] <fatejudger> KDE or Gnome?
[11:28] <Red_Herring> because it was built under UNIX
[11:28] <Red_Herring> it doesnt matter whether its kde or gnome
[11:28] <fatejudger> sure it does
[11:28] <gamma> that didn't fix my flash issues
[11:28] <Red_Herring> java was made w/ SOLARIS and KDE
[11:28] <fatejudger> do you know how many emulation layers it has to go through
[11:28] <fatejudger> before the GUI is actually rendered?
[11:28] <fatejudger> azureus vs Ktorrent
[11:28] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: so? the window manager isnt involved
[11:28] <fatejudger> you know which one wins in terms of speed and memory management?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> i dont care for Ktorrent
[11:29] <fatejudger> have you used 1.2 SVN?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> use it if you like
[11:29] <Red_Herring> i prefer azureus
[11:29] <Red_Herring> whatever
[11:29] <fatejudger> it's basically just like azureus with search support
[11:29] <fatejudger> gamma: do you use 1.2 SVN?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> really?
[11:29] <djk_> Red_Herring: just out of pure curiosity, what does the download speed have to do with the programming language or the OS
[11:29] <gamma> fatejudger: 1.2rc2
[11:29] <fatejudger> djk_: it doesn't
[11:29] <Red_Herring> djk_: the way it handles connections
[11:29] <fatejudger> djk_: unless you're download more than 1 torrent
[11:29] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: yes it does
[11:30] <gamma> doesn't azureus use like 200 mb of ram for java?
[11:30] <fatejudger> djk_: and you have very little RAM
[11:30] <Red_Herring> gamma: depends how much you have downloaded
[11:30] <djk_> fatejudger: i know.
[11:30] <Red_Herring> azures tends to cache a lot of it before writing it to a disk
[11:30] <fatejudger> djk_: and then Java just sucks it up with it's super efficient garbage collector
[11:30] <Red_Herring> thats just teh way java is
[11:30] <gamma> well i know limewire uses a TON of ram
[11:30] <djk_> fatejudger: I was just interested in Red_Herrings explanation
[11:30] <gamma> because of java
[11:31] <fatejudger> which is why I refused to learn the language for so long
[11:31] <Red_Herring> djk_: linux is great for its way of networking and handling stuff like that
[11:31] <djk_> Red_Herring: uhuh
[11:31] <fatejudger> it's only now that I've started learning Java because of UC requirements
[11:31] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: im taking my CP class at my school
[11:31] <Red_Herring> i learned c++
[11:31] <Red_Herring> then java
[11:31] <Red_Herring> i like c++
[11:31] <Red_Herring> still
[11:31] <fatejudger> C++ is far better
[11:31] <Red_Herring> but since they use windows2000 there
[11:32] <Red_Herring> i am forced to use java most of the time
[11:32] <Red_Herring> because i run kubuntu here
[11:32] <fatejudger> my computer science teacher is a java fan though
[11:32] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: same here
[11:32] <fatejudger> so all he does is talk trash about C/C++ all day
[11:32] <Red_Herring> that sucks
[11:32] <Red_Herring> my teacher knows shit about c++
[11:32] <Red_Herring> she doesnt know how to pass arrays
[11:32] <Red_Herring> do you?
[11:32] <Red_Herring> i cant find out how
[11:33] <fatejudger> it shoudl be just like any other variable
[11:33] <Red_Herring> it isnt
[11:33] <fatejudger> well wait
[11:33] <fatejudger> by pass
[11:33] <Red_Herring> doing function(int array)
[11:33] <fatejudger> do you mean by reference?
[11:33] <Red_Herring> doesnt work
[11:33] <fatejudger> ohhh
[11:33] <fatejudger> of course it doesn'
[11:33] <fatejudger> t
[11:33] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:33] <Red_Herring> my computer teacher doesnt know how
[11:33] <fatejudger> you need foo(int &array)
[11:33] <Red_Herring> because she hates c++
[11:33] <Red_Herring> thats all?
[11:33] <fatejudger> that hands the memory address to the function
[11:33] <Red_Herring> just pass it as an array?
[11:34] <fatejudger> passing by reference
[11:34] <Red_Herring> *reference
[11:34] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> typo
[11:34] <Red_Herring> thats simple
[11:34] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> i made a tic tac toe program
[11:34] <Red_Herring> and had an array for the board
[11:34] <Red_Herring> but i couldnt figure out how to pass the board array
[11:34] <Red_Herring> so i had to make it a global variable
[11:35] <Red_Herring> damn that is not good
[11:35] <poningru> hehe
[11:35] <Red_Herring> but what i got against c++ is the libraries we use at school arent for linux
[11:35] <Red_Herring> so my tic tac toe program can only work under wine
[11:36] <fatejudger> is it GUI?
[11:36] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:36] <Red_Herring> its an old GUI library
[11:36] <fatejudger> you should be using a cross-platform GUI toolkit like QT
[11:36] <Red_Herring> its easy to use, and all my school can afford
[11:36] <fatejudger> QT is free
[11:36] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: you realize how much more my computer teacher would have to leran?
[11:36] <fatejudger> I'm not sure about education institutions though
[11:36] <fatejudger> lol
[11:37] <fatejudger> yes, but QT is very easy to learn
[11:37] <Red_Herring> i tried my hand at tk w/ python
[11:37] <Red_Herring> holy crap thats complex
[11:37] <fatejudger> try QT with C++ or Ruby
[11:37] <fatejudger> it works great
[11:37] <Red_Herring> sure
[11:37] <Red_Herring> any good tutorials out there?
[11:37] <fatejudger> www.trolltech.com
[11:38] <fatejudger> they have tutorials and all of the classes documented
[11:38] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: i WOULD show you my tictactoe program, but my parents are holding my router hostage
[11:38] <Red_Herring> so i cant have my server
[11:38] <fatejudger> lol
[11:38] <Red_Herring> embedded QT?
[11:38] <Red_Herring> neat
[11:38] <Red_Herring> how hard is GTK+?
[11:38] <Red_Herring> sorry if thats a retarded question to ask
[11:39] <fatejudger> harder than QT
[11:39] <fatejudger> a lot harder
[11:39] <Red_Herring> hmm
[11:39] <Red_Herring> good to know
[11:39] <fatejudger> it's different for going cross-platform too
[11:39] <Red_Herring> is there any good IDEs for qt and c++?
[11:39] <dbglt> kdevelop
[11:40] <fatejudger> I think QTs libraries are native for the OS and embedded when you compile the program
[11:40] <dbglt> for all languages and such, it's fantastic
[11:40] <Red_Herring> any cross platform IDEs?
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: KDevelop
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: oh
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I hate to say it, but Visual Studio 2005
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I think they support QT now
[11:40] <Red_Herring> thats cross platform?
[11:41] <fatejudger> no
[11:41] <fatejudger> but it works on Windows
[11:41] <Red_Herring> true
[11:41] <fatejudger> and you can always use KDevelop on Linux
[11:41] <dbglt> what's that IBM one...
[11:41] <Red_Herring> does eclipse have a plugin for it?
[11:41] <Red_Herring> i could just use eclipse
[11:41] <fatejudger> you know what you can do
[11:41] <Red_Herring> w/ a plugin
[11:41] <fatejudger> if you don't want QT functionality embedded
[11:41] <Red_Herring> ok
[11:41] <fatejudger> is just the QDesigner
[11:41] <Red_Herring> ill look into it
[11:41] <fatejudger> and then some regular IDE
[11:42] <fatejudger> that would be the best option
[11:42] <dbglt> yeah I'd suggest eclipse
[11:42] <Red_Herring> i tried eclipse, maybe its me, but that took an awefully long time to start and run
[11:43] <dbglt> worked fine for me :)
[11:43] <Red_Herring> well... i do have a 1.5ghz celeron laptop
[11:44] <dbglt> there are a lot of proprietary versions also :\
[11:44] <dbglt> of crossplatform ides
[11:49] <dbglt> I've set up gstreamer, with ffmpeg and all of its nice plugins... and yet I still can't play an .mp4 (quicktime) file...
[11:49] <dbglt> this file works fine when using xine
[11:49] <dbglt> (using kaffiene as a front end)
[11:49] <Red_Herring> meh
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i hate gstreamer
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i use xine for everthing
[11:50] <Red_Herring> that and vlc
[11:50] <Red_Herring> now that i think about it, mplayer too
[11:50] <Red_Herring> acutally ANYTHING but gstreamer
[11:51] <dbglt> it must be something very simple which is missing...
[11:51] <Red_Herring> not sure
[11:52] <Red_Herring> quicktime is like wmv
[11:52] <Red_Herring> its very hard for open source people to distribute it
[11:52] <Red_Herring> so it *may* not be included
[11:54] <mcsteels> can any1 help me, trying to install automatix on amd64 but cant find the deb for 64 anywhere??
[11:54] <Red_Herring> !automatix
[11:54] <ubotu> automatix is, like, messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
[11:55] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[11:55] <dbglt> xvimagesink.c(740): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support: /internal_thread/thread_vbin/vbin/sink:
[11:55] <dbglt> No port available
[11:55] <mcsteels> where can I read up on easyubuntu??
[11:56] <mcsteels> and will it work on breezy 5.10 kubuntu??
[11:56] <Red_Herring> type in !easyubuntu
[11:56] <Red_Herring> it messages you
[11:56] <eXSiR> !easyubuntu
[11:56] <mcsteels> !easyubuntu
[11:57] <dbglt> ah
[11:57] <dbglt> easy
[11:57] <dbglt> just had to change
[11:57] <dbglt> works all nice now
[11:59] <fatejudger> is anyone having trouble with autoconf on Dapper?
[11:59] <fatejudger> make doesn't seem to be able to detect it
[11:59] <Red_Herring> i wanna try dapper
[11:59] <fatejudger> then try it
[11:59] <Red_Herring> but i just want ta have a working computer
[11:59] <Red_Herring> so im holding off
[11:59] <fatejudger> it'll work
[11:59] <fatejudger> it isn't just going to crash every 5 minutes
[11:59] <fatejudger> the only major problem is Adept
[12:00] <fatejudger> which is somewhat unusable ATM
[12:00] <fatejudger> it can't update the repos and it can't do a "full update"
[12:00] <Red_Herring> well...
[12:00] <Red_Herring> that sucks
[12:00] <fatejudger> in fact, other than that
[12:00] <fatejudger> if they released Dapper right now
[12:00] <fatejudger> it would be more stable than Breezy IMO
[12:01] <Red_Herring> i used dapper
[12:01] <Red_Herring> livecd
[12:01] <Red_Herring> it was nice
[12:01] <Red_Herring> but VERY VERY buggy
[12:01] <fatejudger> well I can tell you
[12:01] <fatejudger> I'm using Flight 3
[12:01] <fatejudger> and I've noticed very few bugs


[00:37] <Adam_> Does anyone know when the first 17.10 build will be released?
[00:37] <bazhang> Daily builds: N/A
[00:37] <Adam_> :(
[00:37] <bazhang> right there in the topic
[00:37] <Adam_> O
[00:37] <Adam_> Oops :P I just joined this chat.
[00:37] <valorie> tooling is still being built
[00:38] <valorie> syncing happening, etc.
[00:38] <Adam_> What is tooling exactly?
[00:38] <valorie> testing apparatus, getting all the repos set up
[00:38] <Adam_> Ah, okay.
[00:38] <valorie> etc etc etc