[08:56] <BUGabundo> guud morning
[12:50] <fta2> asac, is it too late to fix ia32-libs?
[12:50] <asac> fta2: depends on what the fix involves i guess
[13:06] <fta2> strange, i'm sure i fixed the bug but i can't find my changes
[13:06] <asac> fta2: normal fixes can also be done as SRU ... slangasek didnt like the idea to add new libs in a SRU though when i asked a few weeks ago
[13:06] <asac> ok lunch
[13:07] <fta2> it's not about new libs
[13:13] <fta2> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/152759/
[13:13] <fta2> asac, i also wanted to fresh the debs to match the RC, as since the last refresh (b1), a lot of things changed, but i'm not sure it's wanted.
[13:27] <fta2> s/fresh/refresh/
[13:53] <asac> fta2: i would think its wanted. talk to motu-release guys or even slangasek whats the policy for that
[14:19] <fta2> grr. i don't have much time left
[14:22] <asac> fta2: how can i help you?
[14:27] <fta2> by pinging those guys for me, once i'm sure i can a/ submit this fix and b/ optionally resync the debs, i will push what that
[14:27] <fta2> -what
[14:30] <asac> fta2: -desktop ... need a bit input though ;)
[14:42] <fta2> asac, context?
[14:49] <fta2> asac, ? ^^
[14:50] <fta2> @time
[14:51] <fta2> bug 1212221
[14:51] <fta2> hm
[14:52] <BUGabundo> fta yes you are alive and kicking
[14:55] <fta2> i don't understand the "<asac> fta2: -desktop ... need a bit input though ;)"
[15:03] <asac> fta2: look a bit up there
[15:03]  * asac on call
[15:03] <asac> fta2: pitti said what to do
[15:03] <asac> 15:28 < asac> pitti: fta asks whats the policy for bringing ia32libs in sync with RC status.
[15:03] <asac> 15:28 < pitti> asac: no policy, but sounds like a good idea, if it can be tested with flash and some other usages
[15:03] <asac> 15:28 < asac> is that a SRU thing or are we doing this a few days before release usually
[15:04] <asac> 15:29 < asac> fta: can you upload the new package to some PPA so we can test it?
[15:04] <asac> 15:29 < pitti> ideally we should do it ASAP
[15:04] <asac> 15:29 < pitti> and since it's universe, it's not bound to CD freezes
[15:04] <asac> 15:30 < asac> fta: is there a bug we can use to track this roll out?
[15:04] <asac> 15:30 < asac> otherwise i can open one for you
[15:04] <asac> 15:33  * asac on call
[15:16] <fta2> asac, ok, please open a bug, i'll resync the debs in the meantime
[15:20] <asac> fta2: 362939
[15:23] <fta2> bug 362939
[15:23] <fta2> thanks
[15:25] <fta2> isdnutils is still broken
[15:33] <cwillu> ugh, it would be really nice if gvfs'd bookmarks would at least show up as links to the relevant ~/.gvfs/ path :(
[15:34] <cwillu> is that a gtk deficiency or a firefox-gnome-support deficiency?
[15:34]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[15:35] <BUGabundo> what's up cwillu ?
[15:35] <cwillu> just griping about how the gtk filepicker falls back to not showing gvfs mounts at all, rather than showing them as links to the appropriate ~/.gvfs/ path
[15:35] <BUGabundo> cwillu: trying to make sense of this http://paste.ubuntu.com/152832/
[15:36] <cwillu> BUGabundo, db change is changing the actual waveform (i.e., what you expected), gain change is rarely used
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I just want them ALL to the MAX with no clipping
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I can do that on the GUI
[15:37] <BUGabundo> but can see the option in CLI
[15:37] <cwillu> BUGabundo, however, that won't affect the audio compression of the track (not talking about compression as in mp3/ogg, but compression as the audio effect), which is what most people are complaining about when their classical music plays way quieter than their red-hot-chilly-peppers
[15:37] <cwillu> BUGabundo, soundkompressor is a frontend to mp3gain though
[15:38] <cwillu> or soundkonverter, rather
[15:38] <cwillu> audio levelling is one of those things that's really alot more complicated than it seems it should be
[15:39] <cwillu> ideally, you'd want to maximize the waveform, and then _lower_ the waveform based on the perceived volume of the _quietest_ track you have, as that way you don't lose the audio quality of the better tracks (which as a rule are the quieter ones:  they have far more dynamic range)
[15:39] <BUGabundo> I've been using mp3gain-gui for years
[15:39] <BUGabundo> all my mp3 are touched by it
[15:39] <cwillu> ah, missed that one :P
[15:40] <BUGabundo> but recently over wine, I've found it does only half files, or like slots
[15:40] <cwillu> not that any of this has anything to do with mozilla :p
[15:40] <BUGabundo> part is at one volume part at another :(
[15:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: I do that manually
[15:40] <cwillu> quit distracting me from my gvfs gripes :p
[15:40] <BUGabundo> put all to the max, see the lower, then set it for about 80% of them
[15:41] <BUGabundo> is this mozilla? I thouth this was quiet-offtopic
[15:41] <BUGabundo> eehe
[15:46] <fta2> asac, you didn't bump nss, right?
[15:46] <asac> to .3?
[15:46] <asac> seems not :/
[15:47] <asac> thats required for latest 1.9.2/1 right?
[15:47] <asac> seems its a SRU thing then
[15:48] <asac> i will open a bug a bit later so i wont forget it
[15:51] <fta2> yep
[15:57] <asac> fta2: do you know whether that was delivererd to 1.9 branch upstream yet?
[16:01] <fta2> i don't know
[16:16] <asac> k
[16:16] <fta2> asac, pushing ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu5~fta1 to my own ppa
[16:17] <asac> i will check that. we shouldnt roll that to stable updates before upstream rolls that to stable branch of course
[16:17] <asac> fta2: great. can you tell that in the bug? is the changelog ready for upload to real archive (e.g. does it have all the bugs etc.)?
[16:19] <fta2> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/152852/
[16:20] <asac> fta2:  you dont refer to which files you touch for the changes?
[16:20] <asac> bg 360870
[16:20] <asac> bug 360870
[16:20] <asac> fta2: what is up with libfusion? is that removed from the archive?
[16:21] <asac> otherwise we probably want a bug too
[16:23] <asac> fta2: so that was removed from archive?
[16:23] <asac> hi newz2000
[16:23] <newz2000> hi asac
[16:23] <asac> newz2000: did you find the bug i had on the startpage btw?
[16:23] <asac> e.g. search button out-of-box ;)
[16:23] <newz2000> yes, ready to roll out a fix for that
[16:23] <asac> grewat. want me to test first?
[16:24] <newz2000> nah, if it's not fixed we'll do another push before thursday
[16:24] <asac> kk
[16:24] <asac> anything else i can do for you newz2000 ?
[16:25] <newz2000> I mentioned last week that since upgrading to Jaunty I'm getting browser freezes periodically (5-10x per hour)
[16:25] <newz2000> I've been disabling extensions systematically to try and isolate the prolbem and had no luck
[16:25] <asac> newz2000: so even with all extensions disabled you see that issue?
[16:25] <newz2000> I can't use the browser regularly with all extensions disabled so I can't test that way
[16:26] <asac> newz2000: you can run a different profile side by side if thats better
[16:26] <newz2000> was talking to someone who suggested it may be a bug with intel video drivers
[16:27] <asac> could be. could also be IO issue
[16:27] <asac> newz2000: i think there are a few bugs with intel atm; maybe check with bryce which workarounds currently need testing ... maybe there is one that helps for you
[16:27] <newz2000> yeah, he gave me some steps
[16:27] <newz2000> my prob is that I'm insanely busy until next friday
[16:28] <newz2000> my tolerence for risk is low.
[16:28] <asac> newz2000: yeah. i think its really unlikely that we can fix this on any side till release.
[16:28] <newz2000> I was wondering if there's some tell-tale sign or test process I could do that would show if it is an X problem or a firefox problem?
[16:28] <asac> so we need a SRU in case we figure
[16:30] <newz2000> when my browser freezes htop shows firefox as using 100% cpu. That's why I've thought it was a ff problem.
[16:30] <asac> Bug 300765
[16:31] <asac> newz2000: was your issue flash related?
[16:31] <asac> i guess you cannot disable that to check?
[16:31] <newz2000> no, disabling flash made no impact
[16:31] <asac> ok good
[16:31] <asac> newz2000: when you see this happening is that only CPU or is there also IO going on?
[16:31] <newz2000> asac: how do I monitor IO?
[16:33] <newz2000> my most recent change has been to disable gears. Since doing that almost exactly one hour I've only frozen 3 times.
[16:34] <newz2000> which makes the i/o question more interesting because gmail offline seems to be more io intensive than typical browsing
[16:34] <asac> newz2000: iostat (in sysstat package)
[16:35] <asac> iostat 1
[16:35] <asac> if you want a new stat every second
[16:36] <fta2> asac, yes, libfusion is gone.
[16:36] <fta2> asac,  for the files touched, i followed the style
[16:36] <asac> fta2: ok. maybe say: "drop libfusion which got removed from archive" istead of obsolete (which could just mean that its a old lib still available
[16:36] <asac> fta2: we can also explain libfusion in bug report if you dont want to touch changelog
[16:37] <fta2> hm
[16:38] <newz2000> asac: ok, I'm running `watch iostat` in a terminal so when it freezes again I can check. I've not really used this before, what should I look for?
[16:38] <asac> newz2000: the avg-cpu thing has system + iowait
[16:38] <fta2> asac, once again, i just duplicated the style for obsolete packages
[16:38] <asac> and otherwise you should see a peak on some harddisk
[16:38] <asac> if its really io related
[16:39] <asac> fta2: k
[16:39] <newz2000> ok, thanks asac. I'll keep my eye on it.
[16:39] <asac> good
[16:40] <asac> fta2: could you ask on the libstdc bug to test the PPA package?
[16:40] <asac> i can ask on the RC package and will do some testing on my own (e.g. flash/java/skype/ffox32)
[16:40] <asac> s/RC package/RC bug/
[16:47] <fta2> the libstdc bug has a testfile
[16:50] <asac> fta2: kenvandine will request a post-upload merge for gwibber. seems motu-release picked his branch up with twitter and indicate fix
[16:50] <asac> fta2: its 0.8 fork
[16:50] <asac> so we probably need a .jaunty branch
[16:50] <asac> which is .8
[16:50] <asac> or is there such a branch already?
[16:51] <fta2> no
[16:51] <asac> fta2: can you push one for revision 50?
[16:51] <asac> the work is done on top of 50
[16:52] <fta2> i have to run, i'll be back ~8pm; but not for long; then byebye
[16:52] <asac> fta2: so what shall we do?
[16:52] <asac> fta2: we can also push the stable branches to ~ubuntu-dev
[16:52] <asac> fta2: would that make sense?
[16:52] <fta2> gwibber?
[16:52] <asac> s/we/i/
[16:52] <asac> yes
[16:53] <fta2> or gwibber team, jorge can add any volunteer in there
[16:53] <asac> fta2: ok. good.
[16:53] <asac> fta2: i will do whatever seems appropriate. guess its better to have it in gwibber-team
[16:53] <asac> because thats the team Vcs-Bzr points to
[16:53] <fta2> yes
[16:54] <fta2> ok, cu in ~2h
[16:54] <fta2> please test ia32 is you can
[16:54] <asac> fta2: yeah i will
[16:54] <asac> fta2: is it built?
[16:55] <fta2> donno (sorry, i'm turning crazy with tons of last minute things here)
[16:56] <asac> fta: i know what you mean. its always last minute ... last minute ;)
[16:56] <asac> jcastro: ping peng pong. wanna add me to gwibber team or wanna add ubuntu-dev?
[16:58] <asac> jcastro: thanks for instant action. we are kind of blocked ;)
[16:58] <asac> @time texas
[16:58] <asac> @time dallas
[16:58] <asac> @time
[16:58] <asac> @now
[16:58] <asac> hmm
[16:58] <asac> which bot was it that worked here?
[16:58] <asac> have to ask gnomefreak i guess
[17:06] <newz2000> doesn't look like it's i/o related. %system and %iowait stayed constant during and after the freeze. :-(
[17:06] <asac> newz2000: so just cpu was pumped up ... and all firefox?
[17:07] <newz2000> correct, firefox pegs one core at 100%. X and landscape each make respectable showings but more like 4-5% each.
[17:10] <newz2000> for the record, I have a low-powered computer. Intel Core Duo ULV, 2 cores at 1.2GHz. 1.8" low powered low RPM drive.
[17:42] <jcastro> asac: sorry I was at lunch
[17:42] <jcastro> on it
[18:12] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[18:12] <BUGabundo> do you have any recent reports of font config probs?
[18:13] <BUGabundo> users are seeing stuff like http://img3.imagebanana.com/view/54ue312l/vlcscreenshot.png
[18:35] <asac> BUGabundo: please dont post urls to me that make pop ups and ads with music ;)
[18:36] <asac> anywy. havent received any problems with vlc ... but didnt really look for vlc issues to be honest
[18:36] <asac> jcastro: all good. did you add me?
[18:37] <asac> jcastro: thanks!
[18:37] <asac> ok
[18:37] <asac> out for a while getting food and so on
[18:41] <asac> BUGabundo: i will check vlc bug reports aftger dinner
[18:44] <jcastro> asac: you're all set
[18:51] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/363012
[18:51] <BUGabundo> adds ? music? didn't see anything like that
[18:51] <BUGabundo> the wonders of noscript and addblock
[18:51] <BUGabundo> sorry about that... didn't even noticed
[18:51] <BUGabundo> time to go
[19:04] <fta> back
[19:17] <fta> asac, ia32 ?
[19:38] <asac> fta: now checking
[19:39] <asac> fta: have you noticed that we can now create multiple PPAs per team/user?
[19:40] <fta> yes
[19:40] <asac> good
[19:40] <fta> need to reboot, my mouse is dead
[19:40] <fta> usb
[19:42] <asac> odd. the test.cc compiles without installing your package
[19:42] <fta> that's what i expected too, because i build the whole chromium without problem
[19:42] <asac> heh i compiled on a remote session ;)
[19:43] <asac> let me check on amd64 ;)
[19:43] <fta> lol
[19:44] <asac> works as well
[19:46] <fta> brb
[19:50] <asac> fta: so isnt this a problem of lib32stdc++ rather?
[19:50] <asac> (if its a problem at all)
[19:50] <hjmf> howdy
[19:51] <fta> well, my link was bad, that's for sure, but no idea on the impact
[19:51] <asac> hi hjmf
[19:51] <hjmf> do we have debug symbols for sun-java6-*_
[19:51] <asac> fta: so did you introduce that link that was bad? or was it always bad?
[19:52] <asac> hjmf: unlikely. we dont have sources for that
[19:52] <hjmf> ok
[19:52] <asac> unlikely == no ;)
[19:52] <asac> bug 195698
[19:53] <hjmf> damn I have a faulty keymap
[19:53] <asac> hehe
[19:53] <asac> fta: what i currently try to understand is when those links were introduced
[19:53] <asac> i guess its not an invention of you
[19:54] <asac> so there might be a very good reason why libstc++5 has the .so link
[19:54] <asac> and not ++6
[19:54] <fta> i changed the way those links are created http://paste.ubuntu.com/152971/
[19:54] <fta> apparently, there was no link at all
[19:55] <asac> fta: hmm. i dont see any libstdc++ in the stuff you removed
[19:55] <asac> ah ok
[19:55] <fta> but there were so many missing links that it's hard to tell
[19:56] <fta> missing and broken
[19:56] <asac> yeah
[19:59] <hjmf> :-) correct keymap is back XD
[20:02] <asac> fta:  ls -l /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so
[20:02] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2009-03-17 11:01 /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so -> ../../../../../lib32/libstdc++.so.6
[20:02] <asac> i think we shouldnt ship any libstdc++ link
[20:03] <fta> hm, ok. no link or the same link, fine with me
[20:04] <asac> dtchen: do you have that file too?
[20:04] <asac> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so
[20:04] <asac> ?
[20:05] <asac> if so, lets drop it completely from ia32-libs. i have the feeling it could cause other weird issues
[20:05] <fta> i don't
[20:05] <asac> fta: you dont?
[20:05] <fta> fta@cube:~ $  ls -l /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so
[20:05] <fta> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so: No such file or directory
[20:05] <asac> fta: are you on amd64?
[20:05] <fta> yes
[20:05] <fta> cube is
[20:05] <asac> hell whats going on ;)
[20:06] <fta> no  /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/
[20:07] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/152982/
[20:08] <asac> fta: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.3/32/libstdc++.so -> ../../../../../lib32/libstdc++.so.6
[20:08] <asac> err
[20:08] <asac> g++-4.3-multilib: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3/32/libstdc++.so
[20:09] <asac> fta: do you have that installed? thats a requirement if you want to build 32 bit on 64 afaik
[20:10] <fta> hmm.. nope
[20:11] <asac> fta: yeah. so please drop the link from ia32-libs. i will verify the other bug now.
[20:11] <fta> hm, i build chromium with g++-multilib [amd64]
[20:11] <fta> but not on that box
[20:12] <asac> fta: right. thats why we should exclude libstdc++ from the link creation
[20:12] <asac> its probably the more reliable way anyway as its a gcc thing (in a directory for -m32)
[20:13] <asac> heh. dumb me. i also downloaded the lib to the remote ssh machine ;)
[20:16] <asac> fta: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so:
[20:16] <asac> i thought only "modules" were affected
[20:16] <asac> not engines
[20:17] <asac> (npviewer.bin:8846): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libmurrine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[20:17] <asac> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libgail.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[20:17] <asac> ?
[20:17] <asac> or is murrine just not included? (could be)
[20:18] <asac> pfft
[20:18] <asac> whats going on
[20:19] <asac> trying to download ffox from mozilla -> 1.2K
[20:22] <fta> :P
[20:22] <asac> 20K
[20:22] <asac> i am going crazy
[21:01] <asac> fta: you can direclty upload to archive AND ppa after dropping those links (after doing some testing locally of course) ... so once motu-release signs off archive admins let it in.
[21:02] <asac> if they refuse i will see if i can fix whatever they complain about
[21:31] <asac> fta: bug 362939 has an ack
[21:31] <mitchell1> hi to all, I have recently installed firefox 3.5 in ubuntu intrepid today's build, and I have noticed that fonts don't use antialiasing, does anyone know what happened?
[21:31] <asac> mitchell1: yes. firefox-3.5 uses more of fontconfig than 3.0
[21:32] <asac> problem is that the fontconfig defaults are a bit messed up in intrepid (which we fixed in jaunty)
[21:32] <asac> mitchell1: please paste.ubuntu.com the output of ls -l /etc/fonts/conf.d/
[21:32] <mitchell1> ok
[21:35] <mitchell1> asac: here is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/153029/
[21:36] <asac> mitchell1: remove /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-no-sub-pixel.conf and restart ffox
[21:39] <asac> mitchell1: also all those files without a number prefix are not really supposed to be in there ... so they might lead to confusing result
[21:39] <asac> consider to back them up and remove them as well
[21:39] <asac> alias.conf
[21:39] <asac> local.conf
[21:39] <asac> etc.
[21:40] <fta> i wanted to push ia32 but something looks weird
[21:40] <asac> fta: what?
[21:40] <mitchell1> asac: I didn't noticed any change
[21:41] <asac> mitchell1: do you have ~/.fonts.conf or something?
[21:41] <mitchell1> no
[21:41] <asac> mitchell1: does it get better if you prevent websites using their own fonts?
[21:41] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/153035/ @line 7, i used $$log ...
[21:41] <mitchell1> lets see
[21:41] <asac> mitchell1: e.g. in preferences -> content -> advanced fonts
[21:42] <mitchell1> yea
[21:43] <mitchell1> but, fonts are now all serif
[21:43] <mitchell1> but it improves
[21:43] <asac> fta: whats the effect of it? since its != its just matches all now
[21:43] <fta> iirc, i meant $$lib
[21:44] <asac> fta: yeah. but i think it doesnt have a bad effect
[21:44] <fta> log vs lib.. hmm
[21:44] <asac> it just means that all files will go into that if branch
[21:44] <asac> mitchell1: so can you check what font the websites that are bad are trying to use?
[21:44] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24168087/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu4_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz shows no error
[21:46] <fta> it's supposed to prevent the symlink to be created if it's already there
[21:46] <asac> fta: looks like its luck
[21:46] <asac> and it works
[21:46] <fta> i added that for a reason
[21:46] <fta> hm, i should probably fix the typo
[21:46] <asac> fta: you already check whether the SO exists
[21:46] <asac> so if it exists it doesnt do anything
[21:46] <asac> most likely the if with the $$log is superfluous
[21:46] <asac> (though performance wise good)
[21:47] <asac> fta: yeah fix the typo and check that the .so links are properly created still
[21:47] <asac> mitchell1: fc-match Arial ... fc-match Helvetica  ... fc-match Times
[21:47] <asac> what does that yield?
[21:47] <asac> (three commands ;))
[21:48] <asac> fta: did you remove the libstdc++ links already?
[21:49] <fta> yes, locally, i was just checking the rest of the code
[21:49] <asac> thanks
[21:50] <mitchell1> asac: here is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/153042/
[21:52] <asac> mitchell1: i would think you get better results if you dont install Arial
[21:52] <asac> .ttf
[21:52] <asac> mitchell1: try to install ttf-liberation too
[21:52] <asac> thats beter better than those pfb things
[21:52] <fta> ok, i remember now, some packages just ship a .so, no .so.x.y, hence the test
[21:53] <mitchell1> ok but firefox 3.0 is showing fonts well, or it isn;t related?
[21:53] <asac> mitchell1: firefox had some bugs which covered these issues
[21:53] <mitchell1> ok
[21:54] <asac> mitchell1: in the end i still think its a fontconfig configuration issue
[21:55] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/153043/
[21:56] <asac> fta: ok. thought we would filter out libstdc++ in the first find
[21:56] <asac> but its probably ok too
[21:56] <asac> (if you have verified that its not there anymore ;))
[21:57] <asac> fta: so please check that all .so links are still there and that libstdc++ .so link isnt there anymore. if thats the case upload
[21:58] <asac> mitchell1: did you remove all the fontconfig files that dont have a number already?
[22:02] <mitchell1> asac: i have removed arial.ttf
[22:02] <mitchell1> and all the arial fonts isnatlled and it improved a lot
[22:02] <mitchell1> now a im gonna revome those files without number
[22:04] <mitchell1> asac: where are those files?
[22:04] <mitchell1> lol, I dont know where are they located
[22:05] <mitchell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/153029/
[22:05] <mitchell1> ups sorry
[22:06] <mitchell1> i already realized
[22:10] <asac> mitchell1: /etc/fonts/conf.d
[22:10] <asac> mitchell1: i guess you got arial through mstcorefonts package or something
[22:11] <asac> if you see other issues consider to remove other MS fonts
[22:11] <mitchell1> ok
[22:11] <asac> mitchell1: also install ttf-liberation package if you havent done so yet (maybe its installed by default even ... not sure)
[22:12] <mitchell1> i already installed it
[22:12] <asac> good
[22:12] <asac> then after removing those files in conf.d you should be set
[22:12] <asac> (back them up if you care ;))
[22:12] <asac> mitchell1: how old is the install? e.g. did you install hardy first? or gutsy?
[22:13] <mitchell1> intrepid fresh install
[22:13] <asac> intersting
[22:13] <mitchell1> from livecd
[22:14] <mitchell1> desktop cd
[22:14] <asac> ok
[22:14] <asac> not sure where those files come from
[22:14] <asac> but they dont look right
[22:14] <asac> maybe they got installed when you tried to install other font packages=
[22:14] <asac> ?
[22:14] <mitchell1> i removed my last instalation that where from the alternate kubuntu intrpid and i didn't have that problem
[22:14] <asac> mitchell1: did you install font packages after installing from livecd?
[22:15] <mitchell1> well yes
[22:15] <asac> mitchell1: do you remember which packages?
[22:15] <mitchell1> I installed mac4lin
[22:15] <mitchell1> fonts
[22:15] <asac> maybe they behave rouge
[22:15] <mitchell1> maybe
[22:15] <asac> hmm
[22:15] <asac> max4lin is that in the archive?
[22:15] <asac> mac4lin ;)
[22:15] <mitchell1> from launchpad
[22:15] <asac> seems not
[22:15] <asac> mitchell1: do you have a pointer?
[22:16] <asac> fuond it
[22:16] <mitchell1> wait please
[22:16] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/mac4lin
[22:16] <fta> $ dpkg -c ../build-area/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu5_amd64.deb | grep libstd
[22:16] <fta> -rw-r--r-- root/root<PHONE_NUMBER>-05-10 08:18 ./usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[22:16] <fta> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2009-04-17 23:08 ./usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.5 -> libstdc++.so.5.0.7
[22:16] <fta> looks good to me
[22:16] <asac> yeah
[22:17] <asac> fta: also dpkg -c ../build-area/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu5_amd64.deb | grep so$
[22:17] <asac> should give a bunch
[22:17] <mitchell1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23258712/mac4lin-fonts_0.4-1ubuntu4_all.deb
[22:17] <fta> symlinks are the same, except 1 that has been bumped
[22:17] <asac> mitchell1: thanks
[22:17] <asac> fta: good
[22:17] <asac> fta: have you checked flash and maybe ffox32?
[22:17] <asac> guess skype is too much to ask for ;)
[22:18] <asac> fta: but i guess its ok. maybe upload to archvie and your ppa at the same time
[22:18] <asac> i might have time to double check that tomorrow morning
[22:18] <mitchell1> asac
[22:18] <mitchell1> i removed ms corefonts
[22:19] <mitchell1> and reinstalled liberation and everything is aparently ok
[22:19] <mitchell1> thanks!
[22:20] <fta> 565MB upload... twice
[22:20] <asac> mitchell1: good. consider to remove the mac4lin font package too
[22:21] <asac> i have added that to my todo list to check whats going on there
[22:21] <asac> seems like a good effort. just has to be done properly
[22:21] <mitchell1> ok
[22:21] <asac> fta: thought you like uploads ;)
[22:21] <asac> mitchell1: those "not-numbered" font configs come from that mac4lin-fonts package
[22:21] <fta> yep, my last for a while
[22:22] <mitchell1> asac: as you suspected! so Im gonna remove it
[22:23] <asac> mitchell1: hehe. yeah. stick to the defaults is a good rule of thumbs ;)
[22:23] <mitchell1> haha ill remember
[22:23] <asac> at least we try our best to make the defaults work for everyone
[22:23] <asac> well. at least good enough for everyone ;)
[22:23] <mitchell1> thanks!
[22:23] <asac> welcome
[22:24] <mitchell1> asac: offtopic
[22:24] <mitchell1> i have installed javaplugin from jaunty amd64
[22:25] <mitchell1> and it works great!
[22:25] <mitchell1> would it be packaged for intrepid?
[22:25] <asac> mitchell1: not in the official archive
[22:26] <asac> mitchell1: we usually focus on driving development of next release
[22:26] <asac> and maybe supporting LTS
[22:26] <mitchell1> oh!
[22:26] <asac> mitchell1: you can file a backport request as a bug
[22:26] <asac> mitchell1: maybe someone will pick it up
[22:27] <mitchell1> im stuck in intrepid because of my ati card
[22:27] <mitchell1> well ill do it
[22:27] <asac> mitchell1: doesnt work with latest live CD?
[22:27] <mitchell1> nop
[22:27] <asac> not at all or just some parts?
[22:27] <mitchell1> just some parts
[22:28] <mitchell1> there some glitches
[22:28] <asac> mitchell1: are you using fglrx or ati driver?
[22:28] <mitchell1> im using fglrx in intrepid
[22:28] <mitchell1> in jaunty fglrx does not support my card
[22:28] <asac> what doesnt work in jaunty?
[22:28] <asac> why do you need fglrx?
[22:29] <asac> ati is really improving quite a lot recently
[22:29] <mitchell1> there are glitches with radeon
[22:29] <mitchell1> and radeonhd is too slow
[22:29] <mitchell1> and both are too slow with xvideo
[22:29] <asac> is radeon == ati`
[22:29] <asac> ?
[22:29] <mitchell1> yes
[22:30] <asac> ok
[22:30] <mitchell1> ati is just a wrapper
[22:30] <asac> then i dont know
[22:30] <mitchell1> lol :)
[22:30] <mitchell1> yes,
[22:30] <asac> just shows that this proprietary crap isnt long term sustainable
[22:30] <mitchell1> so im stuck in intrepid
[22:30] <asac> meaning: fglrx suddenly regresses massively
[22:31] <mitchell1> but at least by the moment work better than  opensource for me by the moment
[22:31] <mitchell1> yes
[22:31] <asac> yeah. but you got stuck ;)
[22:31] <mitchell1> yes
[22:31] <mitchell1> its frustrating
[22:32] <mitchell1> i guess i have to wait until kernel 2.6.30
[22:33] <asac> mitchell1: we have vanilla kernel packages available here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:33] <asac> e.g. all milestones
[22:33] <asac> if its a kernel issue you could check .29 final
[22:33] <asac> or even .30a ;)
[22:33] <mitchell1> i didn't know it
[22:33] <asac> yeah. its a new service
[22:34] <asac> its not officially supported, more to be able to test against vanilla kernel builds
[22:34] <mitchell1> but then i shoul recompile xserver also
[22:34] <asac> the kernel team provide shtat
[22:34] <asac> mitchell1: maybe. though i think we are pretty much up to date X wise
[22:34] <asac> mitchell1: do xdrivers really need a respin when kernel changes?
[22:35] <mitchell1> i guess drm and xserver need it
[22:35] <asac> mitchell1: they definitly run for me ;)
[22:35] <asac> could be that one misses optimizations. but i doubt it for now.
[22:36] <mitchell1> i guess im gonna make an instalation for testing in a small partition
[22:36] <asac> yeah try that
[22:36] <mitchell1> yeah, thank for the kernels
[22:37] <asac> no problem
[22:37] <mitchell1> asac: bye, i have to study portugues now
[22:37] <asac> enjoy :-P
[22:39] <fta> asac, the progress counter of dput is generating 2.2Mbit/s of output
[22:39] <asac> ouch
[22:39] <fta> slowing down my upload ;)
[22:49] <[reed]> asac: so, in places where you have ubuntu localizers localize locales that aren't supported upstream yet, what happens when upstream starts supporting those locales?
[22:50] <asac> [reed]: we use upstream .xpi
[22:50] <[reed]> that's automagic?
[22:50] <asac> yes
[22:50] <[reed]> oke
[22:50] <asac> as long as i dont forget to upload the xpi's to the lang-pack-generator
[22:51] <asac> xpis in the DB are strictly preferred to exports. and for exports we have an explicit whitelist.
[22:51] <[reed]> we have a new locale coming in, and it was already supported on ubuntu, so the question was made as to if ubuntu would swap to using it or continue using the custom one
[22:51] <asac> [reed]: which locale was that?
[22:51] <[reed]> um, let me look
[22:52] <asac> i think i have only enabled one or two locales from export. to get experience and so on
[22:52] <asac> we are basically blocked by not having a way to contribute them upstream
[22:52] <[reed]> 'vn'
[22:52] <[reed]> whatever locale that is
[22:52] <[reed]> Vietnamese
[22:52] <[reed]> apparently
[22:52] <asac> i want to provide ubuntu localizers with ways to a) run the upstream group on their own and b) contribute diffs that were developed in development cycle
[22:53] <asac> [reed]: why do you think its translated in ubuntu? i didnt enable vietnam it in the lang pack generator i am pretty sure
[22:53] <asac> iirc there were langpacks at some points for ffox 2 maybe?
[22:53] <[reed]> the localizer mentioned it
[22:53] <[reed]> let me read this again
[22:54] <[reed]> "However, on Launchpad, the Ubuntu-VN team are now making their own translations for the "firefox" package."
[22:54] <[reed]> what does that mean?
[22:54] <asac> [reed]: yeah. they do that in launchpad. but that doesnt have any effect
[22:54] <[reed]> they are making them but they aren't being used?
[22:54] <[reed]> ah
[22:54] <[reed]> ok
[22:54] <asac> e.g. their work is useless
[22:54] <[reed]> oke
[22:54] <asac> which is why the above points are actually high on my agenda
[22:54] <[reed]> thanks
[22:54] <asac> because it makes me sad that there are a bunch of tranlsators translating for nothing ;)
[22:54] <asac> welcome
[22:55] <asac> [reed]: the only thing we use from launchpad is asturian. which want to become the official upstream group
[22:55] <[reed]> k
[22:55] <asac> its really experimental because of quality reasons. i cannot just control all locales ;)
[22:55] <asac> ast folkd however were really responsive ;) and i know how to bug them to verify
[22:56] <asac> but we plan to make that offical as soon as possible
[22:56] <asac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturian_language
[23:00] <[reed]> yeah, we apparently had asturian back pre-1.0
[23:00] <[reed]> but then something happened (probably the team disappeared)
[23:13] <asac> could be
[23:14] <asac> seems to be a rather small speaker group ;)
[23:14] <asac> 150K
[23:14] <asac> - 400K
[23:14] <asac> i guess that doesnt mean that thats their primary language ;)


[01:01] <harlowja> smoser how goes the git stuff??
[01:01] <harlowja> did u get gitty
[01:01] <harlowja> gitty with it
[01:11] <smoser> git gitty with it.
[01:11] <smoser> we can get there, harlow.
[01:20] <harlowja> :)
[01:20] <harlowja> do i have to git gitty with it to?
[01:20] <harlowja> lol
[01:20] <smoser> na na nanananaaannannan
[01:20] <harlowja> :-P
[14:43] <pm90_> hello, my backslashes in a #cloud-config file get replaced by undefined on the cloud server....is this a known issue in cloud init?
[14:47] <smoser> pm90_, example ?
[14:49] <pm90_> smoser: https://gist.github.com/pratikmallya/71562b7afc643b20e0be
[14:54] <smoser> pm90_, hm. it should not do that
[19:38] <harlowja> smoser have u finished getting gittty with it
[19:38] <harlowja> lol
[19:38] <harlowja> daily gitty with it reminder
[19:38] <harlowja> lol
[19:40] <smoser> tell you what.
[19:40] <smoser> you figure out why iscsi root has transient resolvconf issues
[19:40] <smoser> and i'll do the git thing
[19:40] <smoser> :)
[19:57] <harlowja> :-P
[19:57] <harlowja> k, i fixed it
[19:57] <harlowja> transient, cause of the moon
[19:57] <harlowja> so the red-moon thing passed, it should be all fixed


[08:02] <cristian_c> Hello
[08:02] <cristian_c> I've submitted a bug report (regarding a kernel bug) on launchpad almost two years ago
[08:02] <cristian_c> recently, the bug status has been set to Triaged and I was told to read this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/kernel
[08:02] <cristian_c> I've read it but I've got some doubts yet. A dev has told me to contact the kernel team for preparing a faultless upstream report
[08:04] <cristian_c> 1) Please take care that when you provide the below information, you should be booted into the newest available upstream mainline kernel only. Failure to do this will have negative unintended consequences.
[08:04] <cristian_c> I've tested the 3.14-rc1 kernel too
[08:06] <cristian_c> 2) While booted into the newest mainline kernel only describe how the bug is reproducible in the latest mainline kernel only. If this is a regression, please note the specific commit.
[08:07] <cristian_c> there is a regression compared to previous kernels I've tried
[08:07] <cristian_c> this is not the original bug anymore
[08:08] <cristian_c> What can I do? Any ideas?


[00:10] <siriusnova> anyone know anything about the status of this bug?
[00:10] <siriusnova> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/150519
[00:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150519 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "radeon driver can not do xv with AIGLX enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:10] <siriusnova> :((
[00:15] <Cyclonut> howdy
[00:15] <Cyclonut> hows heron breakin
[00:16] <Cyclonut> or rather, how much is heron breakin?
[00:16] <zmanji> who do I talk to if I think a package should be installed by default ?
[00:16] <DanaG> crimsun: since you're here now, I'd like to ask: do you have any insight into this (previously better-named) bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/177713   ?
[00:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Confirmed]
[00:16] <zmanji> this is a crtical driver package
[00:17] <Cyclonut> bd: I think you need to file a bug on launchpad
[00:17] <Cyclonut> or an 'issue'
[00:20] <[swb]> hi everyone
[00:20] <[swb]> I was wondering if someone could tell me what version if any of projectM will be included when hardy releases
[00:23] <Hobbsee> siriusnova: it's confirmed.  like the bug says.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> bd: which package?
[00:23] <bd> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/admin/linux-wlan-ng
[00:23] <bd> "The linux-ubuntu-modules package ships the necessary kernel modules. This package ships utilities and integration scripts to make above cards work seamlessly with the Ubuntu network infrastructure."
[00:23] <bd> the kernel modules are useless without this
[00:24] <bd> when one uses the livecd, without this the wireless device cannot be used
[00:24] <bd> so if a new user were to read that his device was linux supported, and then placed the livecd in
[00:24] <bd> it would not work, because the package is not installed
[00:24] <Hobbsee> bd: er, is it on the cd, but not installed?
[00:25] <bd> yes
[00:25] <Hobbsee> bd: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about it
[00:27] <bd> alright Hobbsee
[00:28] <Cyclonut> quick question: I need to run a bash script that uses sudo within it. I dont want to have to enter the password. Is there a way around this?
[00:29] <bd> Cyclonut no
[00:29] <bd> Hobbsee, what should the content of my message be ?
[00:29] <bd> I'm not familar with the mailing list
[00:30] <Cyclonut> tis a bummer. I believe there is a way to do it in mac OS, thought there might be a way in linux
[00:31] <Hobbsee> bd: please install foo by default, due to blah.
[00:31] <bd> ok
[00:31] <Hobbsee> where blah is the rationale as to why
[00:35] <DanaG> If you don't mind the security risk, you can setuid the script, but it can be dangerous -- it give the whole script root access without password.
[00:36] <bd> Hobbsee, sent email, hopefully some one will respond
[00:39] <blueyed> Is it correct that nividia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules do not match in Hardy currently?
[00:40]  * Hobbsee despams ubuntu-devel@
[00:41] <blueyed> Hobbsee: my nouveau/X/whatever just crashed, have you answered over in #launchpad?
[00:42] <`Matir> Why is it that plugins show up in Firefox 2, but not Firefox 3?  For example, there's no totem plugin and no java plugin.
[00:42] <Hobbsee> blueyed: no.  i don't know
[00:43] <Cyclonut> DanaG: thanks for that
[00:43] <Cyclonut> DanaG: researching setuid how
[00:43] <Cyclonut> (now)
[00:44] <DanaG> I had to do that to the 'sonar' xscreensaver to get it to ping.
[00:48] <blueyed> Is anybody using the binary nvidia drivers (nvidia-glx-new)?
[00:49] <burner> does nautilus in hardy save your user credentials if you login to an sftp server that isn't on the default port?  I'm having issues with it saving my user and pass when connecting to an sftp server on port 222
[00:56]  * DanaG uses nvidia-glx-new.
[01:00]  * blueyed cannot, because the nividia-kernel does not match the driver (X does not start)
[01:02] <DanaG> Odd.
[01:02] <blueyed> See http://pastebin.com/m38f14869 for exact versions. In fact, l-r-m-2.6.24-4 provides a 96.x kernel..
[01:03] <DanaG> I haven't updated anything recently, though.
[01:03] <blueyed> 2.6.22 kernel maybe?
[01:03] <DanaG> s/recently/today/
[01:03] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-4-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 14 17:30:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:03] <DanaG> Make sure the old nvidia-glx is removed, perhaps.
[01:04]  * blueyed hasn't updated either, was using nouveau the last days. ok, will check.
[01:07] <blueyed> Wasn't installed. But I've installed it now, reinstalled -new and will test now. Anyway, now I'm quite sure that it's a problem just here..
[01:14] <blueyed> well.. had to "modprobe -r nvidia" once and now it works.. Thanks.
[01:23] <siriusnova> Anyone here ever shrink their ntfs partition and merge the free space with the ubuntu side?
[01:23] <siriusnova> I dunno how :S
[01:23] <DanaG> What OS is the NTFS partition from?
[01:23] <DanaG> If it's Vista, you can shrink it from within Vista.
[01:24] <DanaG> Either way, you'd then use gparted from a liveCD to resize the Ubuntu partition.
[01:24] <siriusnova> XP
[01:24] <DanaG> gparted can shrink ntfs.
[01:24] <siriusnova> DanaG - so if say my drive is 100gb, and currently its 20gb Ubuntu and 80gb XP, i can shrink XP to 20gb and merge the 60gb into the ubuntu side
[01:25] <DanaG> Well, it depends on the order of the partitions.
[01:25] <DanaG> NTFS can only be shrunk leftwards, I believe.
[01:25] <siriusnova> darn
[01:26] <siriusnova> how well does ntfs-3g work for reading and writing?
[01:26] <siriusnova> i may just leave it as is
[01:26] <DanaG> ntfs-3g errs on the side of caution -- if it can't do something safely, it won't even try.  (That's a good thing.)
[01:27] <DanaG> The only annoyance is when it's uncleanly unmounted, such as when either Windows or Linux lock up and you hard-poweroff.
[01:27] <DanaG> Then you have to boot Windows and let it run chkdsk if need be.
[01:27] <siriusnova> herm k
[02:39] <pwnguin> is there a guide on the wiki for setting up Ubuntu as a host access point?
[02:55] <fred_2> hi - how to obtain the kernel sources/includes for hardy ?
[02:56] <Matir> fred_2, do you want headers or sources?
[02:57] <fred_2> i think headers
[02:57] <fred_2> ,)
[02:57] <fred_2> i want to install vmware player
[02:57] <fred_2> and it asks for /usr/src/linux/include
[02:57] <Matir> you probably want linux-headers-generic
[02:57] <fred_2> oh - good point
[02:57] <fred_2> lemme check
[02:58] <groovesalad> help, i get error unable to mount loop file system when trying to install (actually error comes when installing pclinuxos, ubuntu cds just freeze, cds have worked on other computers) my system has onboard vga but its disabled, using addon card. ive tried failsafe options. windows will install fine. harddrive mbr has been written to many times but i formated it with gparted (i dont know if that helps though).
[02:59] <Matir> that usually means the install CD may not recognize the controller for your optical drive
[02:59] <groovesalad> tried same optical drive from a diff comp inwhich cd installed
[03:00] <groovesalad> tried a sony optical drive and 2 hps
[03:00] <Matir> yeah, but it's the controller that might be the problem (on the motherboard)
[03:00] <Matir> what kind of motherboard is it?
[03:00] <groovesalad> cheap m909g pcchips
[03:01] <groovesalad> lastest bios installed
[03:02] <groovesalad> damn that sucks if thats the case
[03:03] <fred_2> strange - searched for linux-source and didnt find anything
[03:03] <fred_2> now its there
[03:03] <Matir> let me see if I can find the specs
[03:03]  * fred_2 wonders
[03:03] <UnNaturalHigh> groovesalad, have you tried both noapic/nolapic?
[03:04] <groovesalad> i dont think ive tried nolapic, ill try
[03:22] <groovesalad> blast, no luck with nolacip and noacip, i tried a different harddrive too
[03:27] <Matir> groovesalad, you did use "noapic" and "nolapic", right?
[03:30] <fred_2> i'm unable to compile the std-kernel in hardy
[03:30] <groovesalad> ya
[03:31] <fred_2> http://pastebin.ca/868070
[03:31] <xnix> anyone in here use miro player in hardy heron?
[03:31] <groovesalad> in safeboot option with pclinuxos it had it, lol i didnt mistype
[03:32] <groovesalad> i probably would have though
[03:50] <groovesalad> hmm it works with onboard vga, but not with agpcard
[03:53] <Matir> try installing on onboard, then you can get latest drivers for agp
[04:09] <groovesalad> will try, thanks all
[07:03] <ccooke> Hmm... Localisation in Hardy is broken atm?
[07:06] <Tomcat_`> ccooke: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1306
[07:06] <Tomcat_`> ccooke: Probably to do with this news ;)
[07:06] <ccooke> Tomcat_`: not quite - I mean that the locale isn't set at all.
[07:07] <ccooke> which means some real strangeness with fonts and terminals :-)
[07:07] <ccooke> it's all fixable, though
[07:14] <ccooke> hah. Sorted.
[07:15] <ccooke> The Hardy installer is not currently setting your locale at all. This will cause oddities in X, for a start, since certain characters will be unavailable in your fonts.
[07:16] <ccooke> (it can also cause terminal corruption if you're using programs that are trying to talk UTF8 - they'll send a two or even four byte string that should be rendered as one character. Your terminal isn't in UTF8 mode, so renders it as several... and thus your screen breaks.
[07:17] <ccooke> the fix is simple - find the correct locale string for your country (mine's "en_GB.UTF8", for instance) and set it in /etc/environment and /etc/default/gdm by adding the line "LANG=en_GB.UTF8" (for instance).
[07:18] <ccooke> then restart gdm.
[07:19] <ccooke> (this is where previous versions of Ubuntu set the system locale - up to and including Gutsy)
[09:54] <brubelsabs> Hi, will be Hardy Heron FHS 2.3 compliant?
[09:57] <brubelsabs> am I wrong here?
[10:01] <TheInfinity> bronson: just the wrong time ;)
[10:35] <brubelsabs> so bye
[11:02] <Oli``> I'm having problems with PulseAudio. The server can't start because it always things hw:0 is busy. Any suggestions?
[11:45] <Gnine> fspot slideshow feature is inoperable
[13:14] <Oli``> Anybody else here getting pink halos around tooltips, windows, etc?
[13:17] <Oli``> like this: http://i.thepcspy.com/oli/pink.png
[13:17] <thomas__> Oli``: if it weren't pink it would be nice :)
[13:18] <Oli``> Strange thing is it disappears once I restart compiz
[13:47] <robertj_> How does vmware-server fare on hardy these days?
[13:48] <thomas__> what do you mean?
[13:58] <mrtimdog> How do you get Qt3/4 fonts anti-aliased?
[14:02] <robertj_> thomas__: does it work properly?
[14:12] <thomas__> robertj_: it works propperly on 7.10
[14:12] <thomas__> thats all I know
[14:59] <hibbert> my fritz wlan usb stick is not recognized as in ubuntu 7.10 :(
[14:59] <hibbert> in 7.10 it worked automaticaly and in 8.04 nothing happens
[15:02] <hibbert> heeeeeeelp^^ ... this is the only reason that keeps me from using ubuntu at the moment :(
[15:02] <thomas__> hibbert, then go back to 7.10
[15:03] <thomas__> as it is the stable release
[15:03] <thomas__> 8.04 isn't final yet
[15:03] <bazhang> hibbert: this is alpha 3; three more alphas to go--best go back as thomas__ says
[15:03] <hibbert> i dont want to install the driver myself - cause maybe the kernel module will be included later... but it seems as if the module is in the kernel but doesnt work
[15:05] <thomas__> don't you listen to anything thats been said to you?
[15:05] <bazhang> not meant to be stable hibbert this is for the  hearty souls who want broken stuff and fix it then
[15:05] <hibbert> yes i know ^^
[15:06] <bazhang> hibbert: coming in here and saying help three months before release will likely fall on deaf ears
[15:06] <hibbert> this is the reason why i ask about the drivers ;)
[15:06] <bazhang> ask = heeeeelp?
[15:07] <hibbert> it would already help me if you could tell me if the the modules will work as in 7.10 later or the modules wont be included in 8.04
[15:08] <thomas__> hibbert: normally they will be included
[15:08] <bazhang> hibbert: my intel 3945 wireless isnt either in this latest alpha--and it is probably the best support card out there
[15:08] <bazhang> supported *
[15:08] <hibbert> good - then i will not install the driver myself and wait until it will be included
[15:08] <hibbert> thx
[15:09] <Hobbsee> bazhang: got the ubuntu modules?
[15:09] <bazhang> Hobbsee: well, I just installed the alpha and this was without a net connection; will do so now that I have ethernet thanks!
[15:11] <ccooke> bazhang: 3945 is working on my laptop. Note that the module name has changed from ipw3945 to ip*l*3945
[15:12] <bazhang> ccooke: from the alpha 3 installer? or just upgrading the alpha 2
[15:13] <ccooke> oops, sorry - iwl3945, not ipl3945
[15:13] <bazhang> ccooke: not that it makes a difference--I just like to do a fresh install for each alpha to get a feel how it is improving :}
[15:13] <bazhang> thanks ccooke!
[15:13] <ccooke> bazhang: installed on Saturday
[15:13] <bazhang> nice
[15:13] <Oli``> I'm having an audio nightmare - PulseAudio seems to be hogging ALSA, while not allowing anything to connect to it... Is there an easy way I can just nuke all my audio settings to go back to a "clean" alpha3 config?
[15:14] <ccooke> I *think* that was alpha 3, but I'm not at home atm - my work machine is quite firmly gutsy still :-)
[15:14] <bazhang> hehe
[15:14] <bazhang> going to be hard to beat gutsy imo
[15:14] <ccooke> oh, I dunno
[15:15] <ccooke> gutsy's been the worst released Ubuntu for me
[15:15] <bazhang> yeah you are probably right
[15:15] <bazhang> feisty was bad for me but great for most
[15:15] <ccooke> the wireless issues were *terrible*
[15:15] <bazhang> and vice versa with gutsy
[15:15] <ccooke> the fact is, hardy is *already* more usable than gutsy was
[15:15] <Oli``> Gutsy was the first one that I could run on my main rig (finally allowing me to move off Windows) so it was a pretty important release for me
[15:16] <bazhang> true in some respects
[15:16] <ccooke> I don't have to disable and re-enable network manager every time I come back from suspend :-)
[15:16] <bazhang> though the lost and found window has like 100 items in it
[15:16] <ccooke> Oli``: oh, I know that bad for me != bad for everyone :-)
[15:16] <Oli``> sure
[15:17] <ccooke> I think Gutsy did have some wireless problems, though
[15:17] <bazhang> not being critical of hardy though
[15:17] <bazhang> it is the nicest alpha one in human memory imo
[15:17] <ccooke> (and for all I say it's the 'worst', note that I'm running Gutsy on... two desktops, one laptop and a server)
[15:18] <Oli``> Anyone know if there's a specific Hardy subforum on ubuntuforums.org?
[15:18] <bazhang> (not including warty obviously )
[15:18] <ccooke> (and my only complaint is the laptop that's now hardy. Admittedly that's my main machine, but...)
[15:18] <Oli``> nvm, found it
[15:18] <danbhfive> anyone here know about packaging and MIME types?
[15:20] <ccooke> danbhfive: depends what you want
[15:20] <ccooke> danbhfive: what's the problem?
[15:21] <danbhfive> ccooke: well, I just started a project that involves a python script and an input file.  Eventually, I would like it to be in a package, and I would like the input files to be associated with the python script
[15:21] <danbhfive> someone said that linux uses MIME types for the second one
[15:22] <ccooke> danbhfive: it does, but this isn't the right place to ask about it
[15:22] <danbhfive> whats the right place?
[15:22] <ccooke> danbhfive: #ubuntu would be a good start. This is #ubuntu+1, for discussion of the next ubuntu release
[15:23] <danbhfive> ccooke: ok, hmmm, I thought ubuntu was non-programming related
[15:24] <danbhfive> ccooke: but I'll try there anyway
[15:24] <ccooke> danbhfive: pass. It may be they'll know the right place to ask, at least
[15:24] <nanonyme> #ubuntu+1 is testing for the next release
[15:24] <nanonyme> different than #ubuntu :)
[15:24] <ccooke> danbhfive: what you're after would be a gnome or kde specific question, come to think of it
[15:25] <ccooke> danbhfive: and they *will* have dev channels
[15:25] <danbhfive> ok, what about packaging something for the next release of ubuntu
[15:26] <danbhfive> would this be the correct channel for _that_ question?
[15:26] <ccooke> not really. I doubt any new package you created *now* would get in
[15:26]  * ccooke checks :-)
[15:26] <danbhfive> actually, nvm, i think I found ubuntu-motu
[15:27] <ccooke> Nope - debian-import freeze began on December the 13th
[15:27] <ccooke> danbhfive: ah, excellent.
[15:28] <danbhfive> ccooke: heh, I think I started the project after that date  :p
[15:32] <ccooke> Hmm. Actually, it seems I may have misunderstood - there's a "New packages Freeze Universe" scheduled for February the 28th, so it's just about possible, I guess...
[15:43] <kripken> What is the recommended way to install the binary NVidia driver? I see the restricted drivers manager isn't installed in the base system, is that because it won't work?
[15:57] <ccooke> kripken: which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:59] <kripken> Hardy :)
[16:01] <blkorpheus> I just download from nvidia and follow the readme
[16:02] <kripken> blkorpheus: But then there are issues when the kernel is upgraded, no?
[16:03] <blkorpheus> nothing new there
[16:04] <kripken> yeah, I guess
[16:06] <ccooke> kripken: can't you install nvidia-glx-new ?
[16:07] <ccooke> (or nvidia-glx)
[16:07] <kripken> ccooke: I can, usually I used restricted-drivers-manager though. Any idea why it isn't installed by default anymore?
[16:08] <ccooke> none
[16:09] <ccooke> I actually ran it manually and used that to enable nvida
[16:09] <kripken> ok, thanks
[16:09] <kripken> oh, one other question: how do I decide which driver to user (nv or nvidia)? I see xorg.conf doesn't have that anymore
[16:10] <blkorpheus> /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.20.2.so.0: undefined symbol: stat64
[16:10] <ccooke> and that's why I used the restricted manager - it makes the right changes for you
[16:11] <ccooke> however, the nvidia package has a tool to do it
[16:11] <ccooke> I suspect that's what the manager uses
[16:15] <kripken> ccooke: ok, thanks
[16:45] <optx> Hi
[16:46] <optx> can somebody help me please ? i installed hardy and as i made a update now, HAL is not updated and crashes my ubu :(
[16:52] <`Matir> optx, what seems to be the problem?
[16:52] <optx> nobody here oder no help ?
[16:53] <optx> oh ^^ hi Matir
[16:54] <blkorpheus> latest updates broke many things
[16:54] <blkorpheus> X
[16:54] <blkorpheus> myth
[16:54] <optx> my problem is, that i can not 'check' HAL in the update list. When i do a update it says no HAL and the system freezes my internet connection too ..
[16:55] <optx> hope i xplained it right, im from germany and my englisch is not the best ^^
[16:55] <`Matir> optx, have you tried a dist-upgrade?
[16:56] <optx> what do you mean with dist- upgarde ? apt get .... ??
[16:58] <optx> my ubuntu is new now. I formated my hdd today and then the is a symbol for *** updates are here do you want to download them ? In this list hal is not checkt, and i cant check it :(
[16:59] <optx> i changed the software sources from 'germany' to 'Main' but didn't help
[17:06] <tretle> the busybox login a common bug in the installer?
[17:11] <optx> could not calculate the upgrade
[17:13] <tretle> optx , try logging in as admin in the terminal
[17:13] <tretle> sudo blah
[17:14] <tretle> if you cant log in then thats the problem
[17:14] <tretle> you probably changed the domain name and its not carrying over in the .config file
[17:16] <tretle> Right, I was using hardy on my primary partition, repartitioned the drive and want to install hardy onto the third partition.. Using the alpha 3 cd this time last time i dist-upgraded from gutsy .. Would apreciate it if someone could tell me if this is a known bug or not
[17:16] <optx> hmm worked i made sudo nautilus and it run
[17:17] <tretle> good..... because at least whatever your problem is its fixable... nothing worse than being stuck with user privileges on an unstable os
[17:18] <optx> lol sure
[17:18] <tretle> are you downloading from the main server or your local server?
[17:18] <tretle> if local set it to main just incase
[17:18] <optx> did but did not help :(
[17:18] <ccooke> optx: You're trying to update hal, but it's greyed out - is that the case?
[17:19] <optx> jup
[17:19] <tretle> have you tried to fix broken packages?
[17:19] <ccooke> Right. That means it's on hold - it's not currently installable
[17:19] <ccooke> don't worry about it
[17:20] <ccooke> it means there's a later version in the package pool, but that version conflicts with important things in your system.
[17:20] <optx> but when i update the rest (196 things) my ubu crashes .. so not install anything ?
[17:20] <ccooke> when you say "your ubu crashes"... could you be more specific?
[17:20] <ccooke> what exactly happens?
[17:20] <optx> lol sorry
[17:20] <tytilasson> Have run an upgrade on 8.04 Alpha3 and now get a HAL failed on logon, and no network connection. Any ideas anyone?
[17:21] <ccooke> Does the update manager crash? Your desktop environment, taking you back to the login? The entire system?
[17:21] <optx> lol tytilasson say xactly my problem
[17:21] <optx> no internet con. and the HAL fail
[17:21] <tytilasson> lol! I didnt think it'd be unique
[17:21] <ccooke> optx: I see.
[17:21] <ccooke> hmm
[17:22] <ccooke> well, how handy with the shell are you?
[17:22] <tytilasson> on logon, get a crash report and a pop up "Internal Error failed to initialize HAL!"
[17:22] <optx> right
[17:22] <ccooke> Ah, right. So you can still log in to the graphical environment. That's not too bad :-)
[17:23] <optx> but internet is gone too :(
[17:23] <ccooke> I can see one thing that *might* be a quick fix. It may not be possible, though
[17:23] <ccooke> can you open a shell, please?
[17:23] <tytilasson> There's no network connectivity, and trying to "unlock" the network settings gives "could not authenticate"
[17:24] <ccooke> tytilasson: you won't get any further with that if HAL is broken
[17:24] <optx> how do i open a shell ?
[17:25] <ccooke> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[17:25] <tytilasson> any ideas what might've broken it? It was a clean install of Alpha3 followed by an update.
[17:25] <optx> lol terminal is sehll ok
[17:26] <optx> what now ?
[17:26] <ccooke> in the shell...
[17:26] <ccooke> ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/hal* /var/cache/apt/archives/libhal*
[17:27] <ccooke> and could you put the result in a pastebin?
[17:29] <tytilasson> no such file or directory for the hal*
[17:29] <optx> ls: /var/cache/apt/archives/hal*: No such file or directory
[17:29] <optx> ls: /var/cache/apt/archives/libhal*: No such file or directory
[17:30] <optx> no need 4 pastebin ^^
[17:30] <ccooke> drat
[17:30] <ccooke> do you have the alpha3 cd?
[17:30] <optx> yes
[17:30] <ccooke> What I'm suggesting is to see if you can switch hal back to the previous version
[17:31] <tytilasson> I do get a response for the libhal archive
[17:32] <ccooke> tytilasson: just one?
[17:32] <tytilasson> 2
[17:34] <ccooke> tytilasson: what versions?
[17:35] <tytilasson> 1_0.5.10-5ubuntu3_i386
[17:36] <optx> Fixed in hal_0.5.10-5ubuntu3_i386. Since I lost my Ethernet and everything, I had to download new packages in Windows and copy them to Ubuntu.
[17:36] <optx> Hal: http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/h/hal/libhal1_0.5.10-5ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:36] <optx> And it's depencies: http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/p/policykit/policykit_0.7-2ubuntu2_i386.deb
[17:36] <optx> http://ee.archive.ubuntu.com/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/p/policykit/libpolkit2_0.7-2ubuntu2_i386.deb
[17:36] <optx> look here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/184410
[17:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184410 in hal "hal fails to initialize in hardy alpha 3 after upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[17:36] <tytilasson> sounds about right ubotu
[17:37] <ccooke> ah ha. That's nice and quick.
[17:37] <optx> i found it but i have a 64 bit :(
[17:37] <optx> no help 4 me ^^
[17:39] <Iulian> tretle: That's because you have changed your hostname. Edit the kernel from grub and add rw init=/bin/bash to the end of the line then change your /etc/hosts file with your current hostname.
[17:40] <Iulian> That should do the trick.
[17:41] <tytilasson> so it seems like the HAL update process stuffs it up a bit then!
[19:35] <LionRock> humm after update I get: kontact: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: fstat64
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> why would I have to stop the xserver, do a /sbin/ldconfig and a /sudo /sbin/depmod -aq and a nvidia-x
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> config, and then restat the xserver before the video will work for 3d?
[20:35] <Oli``> Anyone know how to get speaker-test to work with pulseaudio (or know another app that does the same job for pulse)?
[20:45] <RainCT> Hi
[20:45] <RainCT> has gnome-open a manpage in Hardy?
[20:47] <PC-Ente> hi
[20:48] <LinAsH> RainCT, no, just '--help'
[20:48] <PC-Ente> i installed ubuntu hardy on my PC to test ist, also with kde4
[20:48] <RainCT> LinAsH: thanks
[20:49] <PC-Ente> but when i try to start kde4, it says can not find kdeinit4
[20:50] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, using GDM?
[20:50] <PC-Ente> yes... kdm-kde4 wount start...
[20:52] <LinAsH> would you pastbin your /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop ?
[20:52] <PC-Ente> koay
[20:52] <PC-Ente> okay
[20:53] <LupusE> hi folks
[20:53] <PC-Ente> so what to pastebin,
[20:53] <PC-Ente> here is all gone
[20:54] <PC-Ente> dont know what i button i prest, but the hole chat is gone, just clear window
[20:54] <LinAsH> well nothing wrong here ;)
[20:56] <LinAsH> PC-Ente-kde4, you've got 2 nicks now...
[20:58] <PC-Ente> yes because i have an "Test"PC for Hardy
[20:58] <PC-Ente> so i dont crash my Working-PC
[20:59] <PC-Ente> and i should paste something from the kde4
[20:59] <PC-Ente> but i dont know what because i cleared the chat, but nobody wants to tell me what it was...
[21:01] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, so it was /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[21:01] <PC-Ente> thanks
[21:03] <PC-Ente-kde4> http://rafb.net/p/FFnOIj94.html
[21:03] <PC-Ente> so that is it
[21:03] <_StefanS_> anyone noticed that composite extension is borked in the latest version (1.4.1~git20080118-1ubuntu2)
[21:04] <_StefanS_> I get segmentation faults when probing with glxinfo.
[21:04] <LinAsH> _StefanS_, I stopped using it in Hardy... so unstable
[21:05] <_StefanS_> LinAsH: stopped using composite?
[21:05] <LinAsH> yes
[21:05] <_StefanS_> LinAsH: I could try to explicitly disable it ofcourse..
[21:05] <_StefanS_> thanks.
[21:05] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, you've got the same file as me, perhaps try to add /usr/lib/kde4/bin to your PATH
[21:06] <PC-Ente> in the kde4.deskop file ?
[21:07] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, no in ~/.bashrc
[21:07] <PC-Ente> is tihs ironic ?
[21:08] <LinAsH> no why?
[21:08] <PC-Ente> sry, looked like
[21:10] <LinAsH> PC it's just that must kd4 apps are there and its not in the default path so it can't do any bad
[21:11] <PC-Ente> okay, but im just a bid wired, where to write this... in .bashrc
[21:11] <PC-Ente> and how to
[21:11] <PC-Ente> lie PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin ust anywere ... or what ?
[21:12] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, just do gedit ~/.bashrc
[21:13] <LinAsH> and add 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/kde4/bin' at the end of the file
[21:14] <PC-Ente> okay i didt
[21:14] <PC-Ente> but i still get a windows with "Could not start kdeinit4, check your installtion"
[21:16] <LinAsH> Are you sure you don't miss any package... like kdebas-kde4?
[21:16] <PC-Ente> yes, checkt all packages
[21:16] <PC-Ente> kdebase-kde4 is installed
[21:16] <LinAsH> does /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kdeinit4 exist?
[21:17] <PC-Ente> yes
[21:18] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, ok so it definitely has something to do with the PATH variable not being set correctly
[21:19] <PC-Ente> okay, thanks, but i think i'll try another time
[21:29] <LinAsH> PC-Ente, I got your answer, it's in /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[21:31] <Infecto> can some one tell me how is it call this new ati fglrx driver installer?
[23:13] <wastrel> lots of updates
[23:14] <rsk> yey
[23:21] <blkorpheus> none fix what were broken
[23:21] <rsk> :]
[23:21] <rsk> but did it fix bug #1 ?
[23:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[23:22] <blkorpheus> lol
[23:28] <RAOF> Awesome.  Pulseaudio 0.9.8 has better over-the-network support.  No more stuttering!


[05:07] <sadmac> Keybuk: thought: nih_discard should run the destructor always.
[09:39] <Keybuk> sadmac: why?
[14:17] <sadmac2> Keybuk: Think of it in the case of our most common destructor: removing the node from a list. Discard should only leave the item around for people still referencing it, which means external references like that should go away.
[14:37] <Keybuk> right, but that's not how it's supposed to work ;-)
[14:37] <Keybuk> discard is "drop the NULL reference"
[14:38] <Keybuk> the assumption is that you allocate an object with a NULL reference, pass it to something that actually references it
[14:38] <Keybuk> and then drop the NULL ref
[14:38] <Keybuk> if it didn't get referenced, dropping the NULL ref does free it
[14:38] <Keybuk> e.g.
[14:38] <Keybuk> void *foo;
[14:38] <Keybuk> foo = nih_new (NULL, SomeObject);
[14:39] <Keybuk> nih_list_init (&foo->entry);
[14:39] <Keybuk> pass_to_some_func (foo);
[14:39] <Keybuk> nih_discard (foo);
[14:39] <Keybuk> ...
[14:39] <Keybuk> where
[14:39] <Keybuk> pass_to_some_func (void *foo)
[14:39] <Keybuk> {
[14:39] <Keybuk>     nih_list_add (&foos, &foo->entry);
[14:39] <Keybuk>     nih_ref (foo, &foos);
[14:39] <Keybuk> }
[14:41] <sadmac2> well that's what it /does/ sure :) The name to me implies "normal operation of the program is done with this object. Only keep it around if something hasn't remembered to dereference it yet."
[14:42] <sadmac2> In a more literal sense, "discarding" the object should take it out of a list.
[14:42] <Keybuk> it's more equivalent to g_ref_sink in the old libgtk style referencing
[14:44] <sadmac2> Keybuk: also I've occasionally found a list that I'd prefer used internal referencing (i.e. actually do nih_ref (list, list->next) etc rather than just having a destructor pull it out when its done). I was thinking of adding a second set of list helpers to facilitate maintaining a list in this way.
[14:45] <Keybuk> sure, that's more like how nih_list_entry works, no?
[14:45] <sadmac2> hm?
[14:45]  * sadmac2 pulls a libnih tree onto his work machine
[14:47] <Keybuk> NihList is embedded in structures
[14:47] <Keybuk> NihListEntry is an NihList with a generic pointer
[14:47] <Keybuk> where the list references the data contained in it
[14:48] <sadmac2> oic. that's an interesting way of doing it...
[14:48] <sadmac2> does its destructor unreference its target pointer then?
[14:48] <Keybuk> you could make it do that
[14:50] <sadmac2> then you could just use nih_free on the entry to remove from the list
[14:50] <Keybuk> in theory the list/alloc stuff should be flexible enough to do it either way
[14:51] <Keybuk> one of my other two libnih-using projects doesn't use the embedded list stuff
[14:51] <Keybuk> because every object is in multiple lists
[14:52] <sadmac2> I've also had some ideas I'm sitting on about how to reduce nih_alloc's overhead and possibly make it a bit more flexible, but I'm still churning.
[14:56] <sadmac2> I have a thought that we could kill the parent/child lists and store a big adjacency matrix instead within a good sparse matrix data structure
[14:57] <sadmac2> might perform better too (cache lines hate linked lists)


[02:13] <gary_poster> The eagle, by which I mean the excessively large branch I worked on for a day  or two, has landed, by which I mean it has moved to the review queue.
[02:13] <gary_poster> night all.
[02:15] <Makyo> Goodnight!
[12:21] <bac> hi goodspud
[12:30] <goodspud> bac, he matey. Sorry, was in a meeting
[12:31] <bac> goodspud: np, just have a question about charm store layout
[12:31] <goodspud> bac, go for it. Do you want to ask over g+?
[12:32] <bac> goodspud: charm-store-layout-guide.pdf -- is that cog supposed to be an active control or just decoration?
[12:33] <bac> hopes for the latter b/c i don't know where it would lead
[12:34] <goodspud> bac, it's definitely decoration.
[12:34] <bac> goodspud: thanks for confirming
[12:34] <goodspud> Trying to create a different look for "configure charm" mode compared to the rest of the interfaces in the panel
[12:40] <gary_poster> tveronezi, hi.  any questions about my review?  Have you connected with goodspud about reconciling the difference between your approach to filtering service units and the one in the mockup?  As I said, I think I prefer what you have now, but maybe the mockup's approach is more compelling for a reason I don't realize yet; and your approach would need to be skinned if we took it, I suspect (orange buttons etc.)
[12:40]  * gary_poster is not really here, and will depart in just a minute or two
[12:41] <tveronezi> gary_poster: We want the buttons. The mockup is outdated. The card I am working on covers the new style for these buttons.
[12:42] <tveronezi> gary_poster: I am checking the review now.
[12:42] <goodspud> garyp_poster, Matt supplied tveronezi with the assets for the buttons yesterday
[12:42] <goodspud> er, gary_poster
[12:42] <gary_poster> :-) awesome, thx both
[13:29] <hazmat> g'morning
[13:30] <hazmat> teknico, frankban would you guys be up for looking at websockets + tls on the backend?
[13:32] <teknico> hazmat, sure
[13:33] <hazmat> teknico, i'd be happy to do a g+ on background
[13:33] <frankban> hazmat: cool, juju-ui?
[13:33] <hazmat> sounds good
[13:33] <hazmat> 2m, i should grab some coffee
[13:33] <frankban> sure
[13:37] <hazmat> frankban, teknico present
[13:37] <hazmat> goodspud, this is the end.
[13:38] <hazmat> goodspud, there's a nice brewdog nearish the office in camden
[13:38] <hazmat> goodspud, how'd the release party go?
[13:39] <goodspud> hazmat, almost the end
[13:39] <goodspud> hazmat, stop it... I'll get all emotional
[13:40] <goodspud> hazmat, release party was quite lame... no free drinks and fairly unorganised
[13:45] <hazmat> frankban, teknico  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1289340/
[13:49] <hazmat> txws, autobahn ws, and the twisted branch
[13:51] <hazmat> http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ticket/4173
[13:54] <hazmat> juju/lib/websockets.py
[13:54] <hazmat> juju/lib/constants.py
[14:00] <tveronezi> goodspud: can you check this comment? https://codereview.appspot.com/6724059/diff/1/app/templates/service-header.partial#newcode15 ? It is about the color of the tab label (units, constraints, charm, relation) when the panel is active. Whats the color code of it?
[14:04] <hazmat> ls
[14:04] <hazmat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289375/
[14:04] <hazmat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1289376/
[14:07] <hazmat> https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/txWS
[14:13] <hazmat> http://autobahn.ws/python
[14:14] <hazmat> https://github.com/tavendo/AutobahnPython/tree/master/examples/websocket/echo_site
[14:15] <hazmat> https://github.com/tavendo/AutobahnPython/blob/master/autobahn/autobahn/resource.py
[14:16] <bac> goodspud: ping
[14:17] <goodspud> bac, helloo
[14:17] <goodspud> tveronezi, I'll check it now. Just having a meeting with Jovan
[14:18] <benji> since the WIP space is full, I can help anyone with their ongoing work that needs it
[14:20] <benji> if there are no takers I'll work on a slack task, perhaps "YUI doc extraction and html gen"
[14:23] <goodspud> tveronezi, a highlighted/selected tab should be #dd4814, otherwise it is #292929
[14:23] <_mup_> Bug #292929: transmission 1.34 inhibits hibernation by default <Transmission:Fix Released> <transmission (Ubuntu):Fix Released> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/292929 >
[14:25] <hazmat> anyone looking for tasks?
[14:26]  * hazmat switches into review mode
[14:27] <hazmat> benji, your tweak branch is based on gary's or is it really that big..
[14:28] <benji> hazmat: it's really that big; ignoring whitespace it is 500 lines smaller, but I didn't see much use in pastebin-ing that diff since we're doing the inline-comment thing
[14:28] <bac> goodspud: i've sent you some pm to avoid polluting the channel
[14:33]  * hazmat digs into gary's branch
[14:43] <Makyo> What do we want the potential relation names to be in the UI?  Currently, it's like 'puppetmaster:juju-info → puppet:juju-info', but that's pretty wordy.  I'd say just 'juju-info', but sometimes the names are different, like mysql:db -> mediawiki:slave
[14:51] <hazmat> Makyo, if its ambigious we need the qualified form
[14:52] <Makyo> So the first?
[14:52] <hazmat> Makyo, juju-info is rarely needs to be qualified.
[14:52] <Makyo> hazmat, I suppose that was a poor example.  The choices for that relation are juju-info or puppetmaster.
[14:53] <hazmat> Makyo,  yes, the first as in service_name:rel_name -> svc_name:rel:name
[14:53] <Makyo> hazmat, Alright
[14:54] <hazmat> Makyo, i'm of partial mind to disable subordinate rel selection between services that can/share a normal relation, but its premature for that atm
[14:54] <hazmat> ie. puppet and puppetmaster shouldn't really have a subordinate puppet:juju-info relation.. there are valid use cases though.. so we can wave off on it for now.
[14:54] <hazmat> and support all ambigious endpoints
[14:55] <Makyo> Alright, we'll discuss that in the future, then.
[14:55] <hazmat> er.. different valid use cases that particular example is an example of why its a bad idea.
[15:39] <tveronezi> brb
[15:49] <bac> benji: i would be happy to lead the meeting but my camera isn't working.  don't people want to see their leader's face?
[15:50] <benji> heh
[15:50] <benji> bac: I think we'll survive.
[15:52] <bac> benji: maybe its for the best.  you won't be able to see me rolling my eyes
[15:52] <benji> heh
[15:59] <bac> bcsaller, benji, frankban, goodspud, Makyo, teknico, hazmat, tveronezi: meeting in one minute
[15:59] <hazmat> bac, bcsaller, benji, goodspud, Makyo, teknico, tveronezi 2m to standup
[15:59] <hazmat> ;-)
[15:59] <hazmat> 1m then
[17:29] <gary_poster> tveronezi, should I look at branch or is someone else doing it?
[17:30] <tveronezi> hi gary_poster... hazmat is doing it.
[17:30] <gary_poster> great tveronezi thx
[17:30] <tveronezi> thk.
[17:31] <hazmat> gary_poster, i've been looking over your branch, i'm wondering if we can simplify a bit about the whole base id bit
[17:31] <gary_poster> hazmat simplifications +1.  what do you have in mind?
[17:31] <hazmat> by changing the browser backend
[17:31] <gary_poster> not sure what that means yet
[17:31] <hazmat> gary_poster, returning qualified ids aka store_url with revision id in search results, and accepting those as input  params to get the json out
[17:32] <gary_poster> oh you mean in charm id
[17:32] <gary_poster> I mean charm store
[17:32] <hazmat> so json urls would be owner/series/name-revision/json
[17:32] <gary_poster> and then we could standardize on charm.load()
[17:32] <gary_poster> +1 hazmat
[17:33] <gary_poster> I'd suggest getting this branch landed and doing that separately hazmat
[17:33] <gary_poster> but I'm eager to do it
[17:33] <hazmat> gary_poster, k, working on it now.. just rippling it through the queue pipeline bits, your branch looks good besides that, i'm time boxed on implementing this for another 30m.
[17:33] <gary_poster> ok cool hazmat
[17:34] <gary_poster> I'll check back later and if you are done with it I'll see if I can rip out the pertinent bits relatively quickly
[17:34] <gary_poster> ttyl
[19:26] <Makyo> bcsaller, reproposed right as your review came through, sorry...will add the title to the next proposal after.
[19:26] <Makyo> ...title to the menu.
[19:30]  * Makyo lunches.
[19:46] <hazmat> benji, most of the app seems to have issues with the tweak env branch
[19:47] <benji> hazmat: I just noticed your email.  Darn.  I guess our test coverage isn't quite where we would like it.
[19:47] <benji> I'll see what I can do.
[20:03] <bac> i'm seeing failures on one test in trunk.  anyone else?
[20:04] <bac> benji, hazmat: ^^ ??
[20:04]  * benji looks
[20:09] <benji> bac: 100% pass for me (197 tests)
[20:09] <bac> hmm
[20:09] <bac> i suspected my environment was suspect
[20:09] <bac> the tests that check the Y value of the tooltips are failing for me b/c the values are no longer integers
[20:10] <bac> 209.332 does not match 209.187
[20:10] <bac> i guess i'll hold off on my testfix bandaid
[20:17] <hazmat> bac, i think Makyo's branch has a fix for that
[20:17] <hazmat> which is in review
[20:17] <hazmat> rounding error
[20:18] <hazmat> benji, yeah.. svc details views we can add some more tests now.. the env view i'd like to discuss next week about strategies we can use to do better testing on it
[20:27] <hazmat> benji, its a little disappointing that none of the service tests failed
[20:27] <tveronezi> bac, hazmat, benji.... it failt for chrome only.
[20:27] <tveronezi> failt/fails
[20:28] <tveronezi> it runs fine with chromiun.
[20:28] <bac> tveronezi: do the tests all pass in firefox?
[20:28]  * hazmat wonders if chromium in quantal is horribly still outdated
[20:28] <tveronezi> hold on...
[20:29] <bac> tveronezi: there was a firefox-specific failure before
[20:29] <hazmat> Makyo's fix for it looks good..
[20:29] <hazmat> -    tooltip.get('boundingBox').getY().should.equal(originalY - 10);
[20:29] <hazmat> +    Math.floor(tooltip.get('boundingBox').getY())
[20:29] <hazmat> +      .should.equal(Math.floor(originalY - 10));
[20:31] <tveronezi> wow... firefox is worst... it gives [16:29:41.663] SyntaxError: invalid regular expression flag 1 @ http://localhost:8084/test/:48
[20:36] <tveronezi> hazmat: should I do anything special to land my branch? "lbox submit" is the only thing I should do, right? Will it point to the good trunk?
[20:37] <hazmat> tveronezi, bzr info should show where it will submit
[20:37] <tveronezi> sweet... it is the good one. tkx!
[20:38] <tveronezi> ops nop... bad one.
[20:39] <hazmat> hmm
[20:41] <hazmat> tveronezi, perhaps you need to update ~/.bazaar/locations.conf ?
[20:41] <hazmat> er.. never mind
[20:42] <tveronezi> the proposal is the good one (-for=lp:juju-gui) but the parent is bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-gui-peeps/juju-gui/trunk/
[20:47] <bac> hazmat: yeah, that test fails in chromium-quantal but passes on precise
[20:47] <hazmat> Makyo, the same border shadow drag / attachpoint issue seems also to present to a lesser dergree on the top
[20:49] <Makyo> hazmat, Between newly created services?
[20:50] <hazmat> Makyo, yes
[20:50] <Makyo> hazmat, will investigate.
[20:50] <hazmat> i was playing around with two different hadoop services, since they have by far the most ambigious relations
[20:52] <Makyo> hazmat, alright, cool.  Will play around with those specifically.
[20:52] <Makyo> hazmat, have a second to show me how you have them arranged?  Screenshot or hangout.
[20:56] <hazmat> Makyo, let's hang.. juju-ui
[20:58] <hazmat> hard time reproducing atm
[21:13]  * bac walks dog.  will be around later.  happy travels everyone.
[22:03] <hazmat> signing off.. safe travels to all
[22:42] <SpamapS> hazmat: see you on the flip side


[23:07] <thumper> wallyworld_: ping
[23:07] <wallyworld_> thumper: hello
[23:08] <thumper> wallyworld_: got time for a quick hangout?
[23:08] <wallyworld_> sure
[23:08] <thumper> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/62e40421b78f1016a1e90edf27ea2857e7e0fa98?hl=en


[02:45] <Unit193> Ooooh.
[02:45] <bluesabre> (probably works)
[02:45] <bluesabre> ;)
[02:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obso
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf b520b587f75dde65913eda77097dbd79 obsolete
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_ubuntu.conf cc6d5ef33952ab5da042b36bb3c9a812 obsolete
[02:46] <bluesabre>  /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf 33277f4b23d3d9918fdd078b11c7bd25 obsolete
[02:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: so... whats that command do specifically?
[02:47] <Unit193> So the new package doesn't ship those, but the older one did and as they are config fiels they weren't automatically removed.
[02:47] <Unit193> Have an old system, you'll have those files.  Get a new install, you won't.
[02:47] <bluesabre> $ ls /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[02:47] <bluesabre> ls: cannot access /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf: No such file or directory
[02:48] <bluesabre> 01_ubuntu is provided by the greeter package
[02:48] <bluesabre> my system might just be all sorts of silly atm
[02:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: which file is it that configures the "Xubuntu" session?
[02:55] <Unit193> Define?
[02:55] <Unit193> Explain.
[02:55] <bluesabre> sets session runtime variables
[02:55] <bluesabre> makes it different from xfce session
[02:57] <bluesabre> digging around, but just can't seem to figure out :D
[02:58] <Unit193> The session name is from /usr/share/xsessions/xubuntu.desktop, and etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path sets some vars.
[03:00] <bluesabre> ah, k
[03:00] <Unit193> I'm not sure what you are looking for.
[03:01] <bluesabre> trying to figure out where I can set environment vars that we're interested in
[03:02] <Unit193> Is /etc/profile.d/ a better place then?
[03:03] <bluesabre> yeah, I think so (just came across that)
[03:03] <Unit193> !xy
[03:03] <Unit193> :P
[03:03] <bluesabre> lol
[03:03] <Unit193> Maybe micahg would like to give input on how he'd like to set default env vars.
[03:05] <micahg> what's the question?
[03:06] <bluesabre> we're wanting to set default env vars
[03:06] <bluesabre> export QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk
[03:06] <bluesabre> for qt5 apps to use gtk theme
[03:06] <bluesabre> export GTK_OVERLAY_SCROLLING=0
[03:06] <bluesabre> to disable gtk 3.16 overlay scrollbars
[03:07] <bluesabre> what's the best way to do that? :)
[03:10] <micahg> good question
[03:10] <bluesabre> :)
[03:11] <Unit193> /etc/profile.d/ doesn't seem horrible...
[03:11] <Unit193> !find /etc/profile.d/
[03:11] <micahg> that's for bash rhoufh
[03:11] <Unit193> !find /etc/profile.d/
[03:11] <micahg> *though
[03:11] <micahg> so, if you launch from shell you're good
[03:12] <Unit193> Welp..
[03:15] <Unit193> Sure it doesn't apply/
[03:16] <micahg> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ?
[03:17] <Unit193> !find /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[03:17] <Unit193> I guess so, seemed like more core though.
[03:17]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[03:17] <bluesabre> looks like the mate folks use it profile.d for gtk env vars https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-settings/files/head:/etc/profile.d/
[03:17] <micahg> xfce4-session: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/55xfce4-session
[03:17] <bluesabre> ah
[03:17] <bluesabre> that seems like a winner
[03:17] <bluesabre> :D
[03:18] <micahg> it sets XDG_DATA_DIRS
[03:18] <Unit193> So I noticed.
[03:19] <Unit193> micahg: Oh, perhaps can you see my question in -motu?
[03:20] <micahg> I did, I forgot
[03:21] <Unit193> \o/
[03:43] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11885898/ seems to work
[03:43] <bluesabre> :D
[03:44] <Unit193> How about checking 'XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP' for 'XFCE'?  Might ask US and Myth?
[03:44] <bluesabre> wasn't sure how far we wanted to go
[03:44] <bluesabre> is this xubuntu-default-settings or a patch for xfce4-session?
[03:45] <Unit193> I thought x-d-s, but since you have that check... :D
[03:45] <Unit193> zequence_ Perhaps might like to chime in?
[03:48] <bluesabre> probably wouldn't hurt to mention to Corsac, though he is not a fan of configuring xfce in debian
[03:48] <bluesabre> or adding qt configs
[03:48] <bluesabre> :D
[04:01] <Unit193> :D
[06:43] <ochosi> morning
[06:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually, can we do anything about having both nm-connection-editor *and* network-admin in the settings manager? ir really sucks that both have/use the same icon and from my side i can't do anything about that
[09:18] <ochosi> bluesabre: for your convenience: https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/releases/tag/v0.6
[09:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: and as if that hadn't been convenient enough, here you go: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/wily/revision/287
[09:37] <ochosi> bluesabre, Noskcaj: parole not starting in wily is likely also this: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11825
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: awesome!
[10:56] <ochosi> yeah, had a productive morning ;)
[11:04] <bluesabre> ochosi: make a bug report for the two network managers and we can do something about it (probably hide one for xubuntu)
[11:04] <bluesabre> :D
[11:04] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:04] <ochosi> okeydokey, i'll consider it, actually they do different things though
[11:04] <ochosi> it's just silly that both use the same icon and all
[11:05] <ochosi> anyway, hf and ttyl
[11:28] <bluesabre> ochosi: so, next up are greybird and lo-theme tags, right?
[11:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: yup
[15:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: if we modify quite a few gtk3 defaults, i'm wondering whether we should expose those via xfce4-appearance-settings in the settings tab as checkboxes
[17:32] <pleia2> doing CC check-in now in #ubuntu-meeting w/ xubuntu
[22:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: maybe... but if there is no equivalent in gtk2, it almost seems silly
[22:02] <bluesabre> it would also be a lot of gtk runtime checks (okay, so between 3.6 and 3.10 I have these annoyances, etc)
[22:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: We had the CC catchup today, they've rejected you as the tech lead and will now tar and feather you.
[22:08] <Unit193> ...Or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
[22:14] <bluesabre> sounds fairly accurate
[22:15] <bluesabre> hopefully they are giving me travel expenses to go get tarred and feathered
[22:24] <bluesabre> awww, no mention in the logs of tar or feathers
[22:25] <bluesabre> and we're still doing a great job
[22:25] <bluesabre> go team!
[22:25] <bluesabre> and because not everybody will know where to look....
[22:25] <bluesabre> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/07/16/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[22:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: very happy to see this commit...
[22:26] <bluesabre> Notice(SwissBot) -> #xubuntu-devel: ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r433 Style over- and undershoot... (by Simon Steinbeiß)
[22:27] <bluesabre> going to work on cleaning the apartment now, but ping if you need me, I'll try to pay attention
[22:28] <bluesabre> pleia2, ochosi, micahg, Unit193 -- sorry I couldn't make it to the CC meeting, but thanks for holding down the fort
[22:29] <bluesabre> (not that you needed my input) ;)
[22:30] <Unit193> Heh, I mostly just heckled from the sidelines, but sure.
[23:23] <pleia2> ^ true story
[23:23] <pleia2> ;)