[12:00] <crimsun> froust: one can be regenerated by mving your old one and running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[12:01] <froust> okay
[12:01] <froust> the only thing i didn't do on that howto is this: cho fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/module
[12:01] <froust> (echo)
[12:02] <crimsun> haggai: working on that diff tonight, apologies for my untimeliness.
[12:02] <froust> crim: when i do that, it doesn't create another xorg.conf
[12:03] <cavediver> Is there a tvout faq somewhere? I have never got it to work under linux.
[12:05] <ironwolf> what do people use to turn CD's into mp3's?
[12:05] <froust> hrm.
[12:05] <crimsun> froust: did you try xorgconfig?
[12:05] <borgista> quick question: does Nautilus-cd-burner burn bootable ISOs just fine?
[12:06] <cavediver> ironwolf: grip is great.
[12:06] <borgista> so, i'm better off with grip?
[12:06] <froust> *tries*
[12:06] <cavediver> borgista: yes nautilus burn bootable iso's fine.
[12:07] <ironwolf> cavediver: thanks, I'll give it a try.
[12:07] <kent> borgista, no, dont use grip for burning becaus it cant ;) use nautilus burn :)
[12:07] <borgista> thank you cave and kent.
[12:07] <AndyR> ironwolf, will i need prays?
[12:07] <haggai> crimsun: don't worry I'm really busy myself
[12:07] <ironwolf> AndyR: I'm on hoary.  Somedays you do, somedays you don't.
[12:07] <crimsun> haggai: ok
[12:08] <cavediver> Aint there an application for enabling tvout. Insted of editing xfree86. I just can't get that to worl
[12:09] <froust> crim: should i do a fglrxconfig?
[12:09] <froust> crap. i have to go to work.
[12:09] <crimsun> froust: I'm not familiar with fglrxconfig
[12:10] <crimsun> froust: did xorgconfig fail?
[12:10] <froust> crimsun: no, i had to quit cause i'm going to work... what should i do after the xorgconfig?
[12:10] <crimsun> froust: you'll need to edit it manually
[12:11] <Kirsch__> I can't save a file over sftp in gedit. why?
[12:11] <froust> change ati->fglrx?
[12:11] <Kirsch__> it only lets me open in RO
[12:11] <kent> screem must have a very poor design. it takes ages to start on my computer, and its a fast amd 2400+ with 512mb ram :(
[12:14] <grogoreo> hi
[12:15] <grogoreo> I've just installed Ubuntu on my PC, but I have a problem with my monitor. The one I'm using is a temp one and it is coming up saying that its out of range. How/where can I change the settings in the X11 configs to a lower refresh rate?
[12:17] <alumik> computer -> system -> resolution
[12:17] <grogoreo> i can only use the text mode
[12:17] <ironwolf> cavediver: with grip, just playing the CD sounds horrible.  Like it's being horribly overdriven.
[12:17] <alumik> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:17] <alumik> with sudo, of course
[12:17] <grogoreo> great thanks
[12:19] <cavediver> ironwolf: really ? No such problems here.
[12:20] <ironwolf> cavediver: stoped grip, CD kept playing.. no cd player running *very odd* so I ejected the CD, re inserted it, and it seems to be working.
[12:21] <cavediver> ironwolf: you will also need some codecs to be able to rip cd's. For example lame.
[12:23] <cavediver> Damn i want my tv-out to work. I have a nvidia card. Can someone help me once and for all ?
[12:24] <alumik> cavediver, wich driver are you using?
[12:24] <ironwolf> cavediver: I've got toolame already installed.
[12:25] <cavediver> alumik: nvidia-glx driver
[12:26] <alumik> cavediver, maybe there is an option for the XF86Config-4
[12:28] <cavediver> alumik: i don't know. I tried the stuff listed on their hp before but never got it to work. I want to be able to show my desktop on both tv and moniter. Dualview or what it's called.
[12:28] <BockBilbo> which mod do the /etc/ files have to have?
[12:28] <BockBilbo> 444?
[12:29] <alumik> cavediver, install linux-restricted-modules-[arch] , maybe there is a man page
[12:29] <crimsun> cavediver: the README is in the nvidia-glx package.
[12:30] <cavediver> alumik: that's installed.
[12:30] <crimsun> cavediver: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[12:30] <crimsun> cavediver: read appendix j
[12:35] <Seq> Has anybody tried the mono apache module?
[12:41] <Hwolf> What is wrong with the repros today!
[12:43] <crimsun> Hwolf: "repros?"
[12:44] <misionero> i can not get ubuntu installed on my pc
[12:44] <misionero> :(
[12:45] <Nermal> more info duh
[12:45] <misionero> well
[12:45] <misionero> it just get to the mount cdrom part
[12:45] <Hwolf> crimsun, the apt-get servers.
[12:45] <misionero> it says that it couldnt mount it
[12:46] <Nermal> pcmcia cdrom drive ?
[12:46] <Nermal> dodgy cdrom ?#
[12:46] <misionero> no it has no pcmcia
[12:46] <crimsun> Hwolf: works fine here. I just updated & upgraded one minute ago.
[12:46] <misionero> its a pentium MMX 200MHz
[12:46] <Nermal> urrgh
[12:46] <Hwolf> crimsun: I keep getting 'can't find package' errors, and I haven't seen the update-notifier all day.
[12:47] <misionero> Nermal: and i cant get it from there 'cause after that says that it cant install a package
[12:48] <misionero> could it be that it was burn wrong
[12:48] <misionero> or maybe the burner didnt burn it right
[12:48] <svenl> fabbione: Mmm.
[12:48] <svenl> fabbione: i am jaleous, it took me 132 minutes to build the kernels.
[12:49] <svenl> fabbione: but setting the ide-dma-diskonly did not help. it is # not set now, but i still get :
[12:49] <svenl> $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[12:49] <svenl> /dev/hdc:
[12:49] <svenl>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:49] <svenl>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:49] <svenl>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:50] <meltbanana314> does anybody here know of a repository that has the korn shell, or do I have to get it from AT&T directly?
[12:51] <misionero> Nermal: -> can U help me?
[12:52] <svenl> Arg, bugzilla trully sucks again, you have to create an account on bugzilla.ubuntu.com to submit bug reports. I guess i will be installing pure-amd64 debian on this box after all.
[12:53] <Nermal> misionero: not with that information no
[12:53] <Nermal> I'm quite new to ubuntu :|
[12:53] <ironwolf> cavediver: ok, weird.. sounds like hell when playing in grip *no, it's not country* but sounds great when encoded. *shrug* Many thanks!
[12:53] <cavediver> ironwolf: ok :) Maybe the player is buggy, i don't know.
[12:54] <ironwolf> cavediver: you got me encoding, which is what I cared about. *trying not to reboot to Windows unless absolutely needed.
[12:54] <ironwolf> so far so good.
[12:57] <james> Trying to figure out how to do an install RPM or otherwise, anyone have a link of a good place to read about it?
[12:58] <imka> is there a way i can save a private conversation in xchat?
[12:58] <chris_> alright folks... I've forgotten the app that runs which auto-updates GNOME's menu when you install an application - used to use it in gentoo.. but I've forgotten.. any ideas of the name again please?
[12:58] <chris_> imka: yeah, in the settings - logs
[12:59] <chris_> Settings menu -> prefs -> logging -> [x]  enable logging of conversations
[12:59] <imka> chris_ thanks, it's too late for that :/
[12:59] <chris_> can't find it on the forums anyway..
[01:00] <svenl> james: apt-get install alien; man alien
[01:00] <chris_> well.. copy it & er paste into a file? :)
[01:00] <Adrenal> anyone else having trouble signing into aim?
[01:00] <misionero> I think is maybe de CDROM because now it gets to 19% libc6-udeb
[01:00] <imka> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesnt seem to work
[01:00] <svenl> james: but you probably don't really want to do that, most probably the package is also available as .deb.
[01:00] <imka> ctrl-v
[01:01] <james> If I can get this GTKPoD installed i will be set, I cant seem to figure out how to get somthing installed after I extract it
[01:02] <imka> chris_ its possible under window/save conversation
[01:03] <BockBilbo2> hello
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> S.O.S.
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> ive deleted all the /etc files...
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:04] <Freedomzen> Hi guys just wondering I installed gcc-3.4 from the repo and want to switch from 3.3 to that is there a command to do it?
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> and im trying to recover from it
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:04] <chris_> ah, cool imka didn't know that :)
[01:04] <chris_> I normally use irssi...
[01:05] <chris_> so, does anyone know how to update the application (gnome) menu after you've apt/synaptic'd an app?
[01:05] <chris_> there was a daemon that used to run to do it
[01:05] <chris_> but I've forgot the name! :/
[01:05] <Freedomzen> famd
[01:05] <Freedomzen> chris_:
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> ive done what crimsun has told me about restoring inittab and now im in ubuntu...
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> but... doesnt boot correctly
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> ive copied my old warty configuration
[01:05] <chris_> ah, Freedomzen wicked, thanks
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> to this /etc directory in my actual hoary instalation
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> but it seens to not work properly
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> the x server is broken.. i had xorg in hoary... and when copying the old config... i copied the xfree86 configuration
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> so i just cant get on ubuntu in runlevel 2
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:07] <alumik> BockBilbo2, isn't the same filename
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> alumik so what should i do?
[01:07] <alumik> in xorg the configuration is xorg.conf
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:08] <chris_> balls, it's not in the sources
[01:08] <chris_> or in univser
[01:08] <chris_> e
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> see.. i have another problem...
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> i can use apt
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> but cannot do apt-get upgrade
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> or dist-upgrade
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> i was thinking in doing that for upgrading the broken system
[01:08] <alumik> any error message?
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> yeah
[01:08] <chris_> have you updated the sources?
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> 404 file not found ::|
[01:08] <chris_> (apt-get update)
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> yyes
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i have
[01:09] <chris_> hmm
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> and the curious thing about it
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> is that
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i can install stuff from apt
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> but not do the upgrade
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> or the dist upgrade
[01:09] <chris_> are you using the univsere liss?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> yes
[01:09] <chris_> lists
[01:09] <chris_> hmm, bizarre
[01:09] <alumik> strange
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> it is...
[01:09] <chris_> proxy ?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> nope
[01:10] <chris_> just a 404 message?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> yes
[01:10] <alumik> and updated without errors?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> no errors
[01:10] <grogoreo_> hi
[01:10] <alumik> maybe the server is down
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> dont think so
[01:11] <alumik> or any transparent proxy
[01:11] <grogoreo_> on Gnome 2.8 how can you turn off spatiul (sorry, can't remember how to spell it) view?
[01:11] <alumik> grogoreo_, use the configuration editor
[01:12] <alumik> apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> alumik nope
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> and... see.. i can do for example
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> apt-get install x-window-system
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:12] <grogoreo_> alumik: great thanks
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> im gonna change the repositories back to warty
[01:13] <alumik> BockBilbo2, the only time i get a 404 is when the lists are outdate
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> to see if it works that way
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> yes..
[01:13] <krischan> good evening! To those whp use the BlueFish editor: When I start bluefish as a normal user, bluefish's start-up quits with an error message: 'memory access error'. When I it start via sudo, it suddenly works? Is there a way to get it to work as a normal user? I use "bluefish 0.12".
[01:13] <chris_> Freedomzen: I don't suppose you know if famd, is "fam" -- fam - File Alteration Monitor
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> see this is wierd
[01:13] <piratePenguin> anyone have any idea when the next batch of cd's will be delivered?
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> cause after copying the old config file
[01:13] <piratePenguin> sent out*
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> s
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> when i log in, it says im using warty
[01:14] <james> If the linux communit really wants to expand to the windows users they really need a simple program install guide
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> but im in hoary
[01:14] <alumik> BockBilbo2, what file?
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> dont know
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> it must be in /etc
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> cause thats what i deleted
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:14] <Hwolf> james, we're aware of that. :-)
[01:15] <Ng> just installed gdesklets from universe on warty and it's not doing anything when I run it, any ideas? :)
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i was messing around with matlab config... which has an etc directory... and instead of doing rm ./etc/*
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i did rm /etc/*
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:15] <alumik> BockBilbo2, ouch
[01:15] <james> hehehe I have installed linux prolly 12 times over the past 8 years every time I reformat to windows cause I cant seem to get the programs installed
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> so i removed all the configuration files of /etc
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> yeah... ouch
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> ..
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i managed to restore the inittab file
[01:16] <LinuxJones> james what programs do you need to install ?
[01:16] <tanek> i've gotten everything to work now, exept guitar pro :)
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> and I copied all the other config files from a warty backup i had
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> but... that was from warty.. and this installation is hoary's
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> ...
[01:16] <alumik> BockBilbo2, i dont know sure if it works, but is possible to reconfigure all the packages
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> how?
[01:17] <alumik> maybe they will create the config
[01:17] <alumik> dpkg-reconfigure --all
[01:17] <Ng> that wouldn't restore a complete /etc
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:17] <Ng> it'll populate a bunch of /etc/default and some other stuff though
[01:17] <Ng> better than nothing ;)
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:18] <alumik> in those cases i'll reinstall
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> working
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> ...
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> but it sucks.. cause i finally
[01:18] <BockBilbo> hello??
[01:18] <emz> hi i just downloaded and made the iso image however every time i run it i will ask me press enter to boot: and then when i do it will say loading, and then invalid or curropt kernel files
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> bitchx has gone crazy
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> i was saying that it sucks... cause ive just finished configuring the system to my needs
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> :(
[01:20] <LinuxJones> emz, did you download the Warty iso file ?
[01:21] <alumik> BockBilbo2, i keep the home in other partition to save my preferences if i have to reinstall
[01:21] <LinuxJones> emz, sounds like you have a bad cd
[01:22] <emz> linux i just downloaded it
[01:22] <BockBilbo2> mm thats a good idea... will do it next time
[01:23] <alumik> emz, check for the md5sum of the iso
[01:23] <LinuxJones> emz, can you check the md5 sum of the .iso you downloaded
[01:23] <LinuxJones> :D
[01:24] <alumik> :)
[01:25] <emz> how is that done
[01:25] <emz> :)
[01:27] <emz> what should i check it in
[01:27] <alumik> md5sum file.iso
[01:27] <emz> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[01:27] <emz> thats what i got
[01:27] <james> Downloaded gtkpod_0.72-2-2_i386.deb cant seem to find where it went or how to get it installed
[01:27] <alumik> it will take a long time
[01:28] <emz> md5sum is on the cd
[01:28] <crimsun> james: how did you download it?
[01:28] <alumik> then download a file where you get the iso called  warty-release-install-i386.iso.md5sum
[01:29] <alumik> and compare the results
[01:29] <alumik> james, dpkg -i gtkpod_0.72-2-2_i386.deb
[01:30] <james> Used the Debian view?
[01:30] <james> any specific directory?
[01:31] <crimsun> james: did you use apt-get/aptitude/synaptic?
[01:31] <crimsun> james: or did you use wget?
[01:32] <james> Im not usre
[01:32] <james> er sure
[01:32] <crimsun> james: you don't remember how you downloaded it?
[01:32] <james> I didnt send it to synaptic
[01:32] <james> I double clicked the link
[01:32] <crimsun> james: then it's in your home directory, more than likely.
[01:32] <alumik> James, then you must install it
[01:33] <james> so once I find the directory I use that command?
[01:33] <crimsun> james: execute alumik's suggestion from your home directory
[01:36] <james> I like knowing that command, now I gotta find the bugger, its not in my home directory
[01:36] <borgista> ok, i've wasted 2 cd-r's on trying to boot a bootable .iso
[01:36] <borgista> any ideas?
[01:36] <borgista> [i used nautilus-cd-burner]
[01:36] <james> Thanks alot
[01:36] <crimsun> james: find ~ -name 'gtkpod*deb'
[01:36] <Hwolf> borgista, i've never burned a disc under linux, sorry
[01:36] <borgista> o.k.
[01:36] <borgista> i have under kde.
[01:37] <borgista> but not under gnome.
[01:37] <Riddell> borgista: try using k3b
[01:37] <borgista> ok.
[01:37] <borgista> but i'd rather use a gnome-native app.
[01:38] <LinuxJones> borgista, have you burned a disk using nautilus  ?
[01:38] <borgista> yes.
[01:38] <borgista> an .iso
[01:38] <LinuxJones> it didn't work ?
[01:38] <borgista> nope
[01:38] <borgista> wouldn't boot.
[01:38] <borgista> it was a suse mini-install .iso
[01:38] <LinuxJones> are you sure the .iso is complete
[01:38] <alumik> maybe isn't bootable :)
[01:38] <alumik> mount it
[01:39] <borgista> alright.
[01:39] <alumik> check the md5
[01:40] <borgista> i'll just install k3b
[01:40] <borgista> oh well
[01:41] <Lowry> check sum
[01:41] <Lowry> use good cd's
[01:42] <alumik> borgista, gnome doesn't have a good cd burning app
[01:42] <Lowry> and a good cd burning app
[01:43] <james> heh I remember how to use Pico
[01:43] <james> got an error seems my version is wrong
[01:43] <james> its a thinkpad version I suppose
[01:47] <BockBilbo> alumik,
[01:47] <BockBilbo> ive got it
[01:47] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:48] <BockBilbo> im in the x's right now..
[01:48] <BockBilbo> trying to see if everything works fine
[01:48] <alumik> great :)
[01:48] <[sN] > Hi :D
[01:48] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:48] <BockBilbo> the dpkg-reconfigure --all seens to work
[01:49] <[sN] > How mutch space does Ubuntu need?
[01:49] <crimsun> [sN] : default? 1-2 gigs.
[01:49] <BockBilbo> 1.8gb i think
[01:49] <Hwolf> [sn] , depends on what you want to do with it.
[01:49] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:49] <[sN] > okey
[01:49] <[sN] > i have a disk 2gb, layin.
[01:49] <[sN] > I just wanna test it
[01:50] <[sN] > and i dont want to install it on my 160 gigs windows disk
[01:50] <Parallax_> I Havent got sound, what should i do first????
[01:50] <crimsun> Parallax_: pray.
[01:50] <crimsun> Parallax_: seriously, though, what sound chipset?
[01:50] <Hwolf> [sn]  2 gigs is plenty.
[01:50] <[sN] > okey
[01:50] <[sN] > tnx
[01:50] <[sN] > :D
[01:50] <Hwolf> Don't blaim ubuntu for your slow hard old harddisk tho.
[01:50] <Parallax_> ASUS K8V-X
[01:51] <[sN] > Hehe
[01:51] <BockBilbo> alumik, i still have to see if the dist upgrade works now
[01:51] <chris`xchat> hmm, fam is not updating my gnome application menu when I install an application - any ideas?
[01:51] <[sN] > AMD 64 / 6800Gt 1024 mb memory and an 2gig drive :D
[01:51] <Parallax_> SOUNDMAX
[01:51] <crimsun> Parallax_: /join #flood, cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:51] <liquidhex> [sN] , almost my exact setup
[01:51] <[sN] > oh?
[01:51] <[sN] > what does you have?
[01:52] <crimsun> Parallax_: the snd_intel8x0 module should be listed in: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[01:52] <liquidhex> [sN] ,  amd64 3500+, bfg 6800 GT OC, 1gb dual channel platinum OCZ ram
[01:52] <liquidhex> 2 sata drives
[01:52] <[sN] > (yes my english is bad :( )
[01:52] <alumik> mine too
[01:52] <[sN] > :D
[01:52] <Parallax_> sounds interesting
[01:52] <alumik> let's talk XML
[01:52] <[sN] > My first linux :D
[01:53] <omaru> i prefer php... echo "php rocks";
[01:53] <crimsun> alumik: make sure libxml2 is up to date
[01:53] <alumik> dont forget the \n
[01:53] <Parallax_> I cant try it now cos im on Window$ now, i cant live without music
[01:53] <crimsun> Parallax_: well reboot and we'll get sound working.
[01:53] <alumik> Parallax_, then get an ipod
[01:54] <Parallax_> jajaja
[01:54] <Parallax_> ok i will connect shortly
[01:56] <optik> hola alguien que hable spanish
[01:57] <omaru> optik, que pasa
[01:58] <[sN] > bye
[01:58] <Paralla1> im here again
[01:58] <Paralla1> can you help me now?
[01:59] <optik> omaru
[01:59] <optik> omaru, acabo de instalar  ubuntu y rseulta que al termina la instalacion no me pidio que ingresara el password de root
[01:59] <optik> nomas reinicio la maquina
[01:59] <liquidhex> What is a p2p program I can apt get? None of these source ones I download want to compile .. maybe because its amd64..
[01:59] <optik> y solo puedo entra como user
[01:59] <optik> menos como root
[01:59] <optik> me pide password
[01:59] <genaro> optik: Esa es la conducta normal
[01:59] <optik> lo mas raro es que ni ingrese el passwored
[02:00] <omaru> optik, es la conducta normal
[02:00] <omaru> optik,por default viene desactivada la cuenta root, en lugar utiliza sudo
[02:00] <alumik> damn unichrome
[02:00] <Paralla1> I havent got sound, what should i do?, CAN ANY one help me?
[02:00] <crimsun> Paralla1: /join #flood
[02:00] <optik> omaru y como lo hago
[02:00] <Kosh42> Hello...
[02:00] <genaro> optik: para correr cualquier cosa como root, slo debes hacer "sudo ..." y dar la contrasea de tu usuario
[02:00] <omaru> optik, ejemplo sudo apt-get dist-update
[02:01] <crimsun> optik: #ubuntu-es may help
[02:01] <Kosh42> Quick Q?
[02:01] <crimsun> Paralla1: waiting for you to join.
[02:01] <omaru> optik, si quieres habilitar la cuenta root puedes hacerlo con sudo passwd
[02:01] <Kosh42> Just intalled Hoary and I understand the ATI 64 drivers are in apt... Anyone know where to find them or the package name?
[02:01] <alumik> Paralla1, use lspci to see what card is
[02:01] <Kosh42> Can't find it...
[02:02] <genaro> Kosh42: Trsy apt-cache search ati
[02:02] <genaro> Kosh42: Try apt-cache search ati
[02:02] <omaru> optik, este link te puede ayudar http://guia-ubuntu.org/ubuntu4.10/
[02:08] <pd> im about to reinstall as hoary ;)
[02:17] <Stew2> where can I get the current ISO image for Hoary?
[02:18] <daniels> Stew2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <varla> hi there
[02:19] <varla> does anyone know a website for web cam on ubuntu?
[02:20] <alumik> Jan 22 02:10:56 localhost last message repeated 1046 times
[02:20] <randabis> hey daniels, I just wanted to let you know that my friend and I got his radeon igp 345m working with 3d accelleration finally
[02:21] <alumik> cool
[02:21] <LinuxJones> varla, do a search on google for the model of your webcam and debian
[02:21] <BockBilbo> crimsun, is there a way to now which ubuntu version i am using?
[02:22] <BockBilbo> im supposely have hoary... but in the terminal welcome message it says i have warty
[02:22] <randabis> he had tried installing the fglrx driver first and obviously that driver won't work, so for some reason the ati or radeon drivers in xorg would not work until the fglrx driver package was completely removed
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> BockBilbo: have you rebooted or re logged in since upgrading
[02:22] <crimsun> BockBilbo: /etc/issue will tell you.
[02:22] <BockBilbo> crimsun,
[02:22] <genaro> BockBilbo: Check your /etc/apt/source.lst file
[02:22] <BockBilbo> i was jus rading it
[02:23] <BockBilbo> genaro, HrdwrBoB my problem is not about that
[02:23] <BockBilbo> ;)
[02:23] <alumik> BockBilbo /etc/debian_version
[02:23] <BockBilbo> i removed all the /etc/ configuration files
[02:23] <BockBilbo> thanks alumik
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> wtf?
[02:23] <alumik> but it allways says unstable
[02:23] <crimsun> alumik: no, it should read 3.1
[02:24] <BockBilbo> it says testing/unstable
[02:24] <alumik> $ cat /etc/debian_version
[02:24] <alumik> testing/unstable
[02:24] <BockBilbo> so.. does it mean i have hoary?
[02:25] <alumik> maybe not, remember that ubuntu is a fork of sid
[02:25] <BockBilbo> ...
[02:25] <genaro> Mine says testing/unstable too and I'm warty
[02:25] <BockBilbo> yes
[02:25] <BockBilbo> oh..
[02:25] <BockBilbo> there must be another way
[02:26] <buga> fgrep -i ubuntu /etc/issue
[02:26] <BockBilbo> i remember that when i had debian, one guy told me to see a number somewhere... and depending on it, if it was positive... it meant that i had SID...
[02:26] <genaro> Try finding out the version of some package that has a different version in Warty
[02:26] <alumik> but you can have warty and hoary mixed
[02:26] <BockBilbo> but the issue says nothing
[02:26] <genaro> alumik: I have only warty
[02:27] <crimsun> alumik: did you upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:27] <BockBilbo> cause my issue says im using warty
[02:27] <alumik> crimsun, some packages
[02:27] <BockBilbo> but thats just cause the issue file i've restored comes from a warty installation
[02:28] <BockBilbo> anyone has an idea of how to check it?
[02:28] <crimsun> BockBilbo: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[02:28] <alumik> whoa
[02:28] <BockBilbo> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu2
[02:28] <BockBilbo> crimsun, what ubuntu version is that?
[02:29] <crimsun> BockBilbo: you're running Hoary then.
[02:29] <BockBilbo> :D
[02:29] <BockBilbo> so
[02:29] <BockBilbo> i guess i would have to change the issue file
[02:29] <BockBilbo> ...
[02:29] <BockBilbo> thanks a lot crimsun
[02:29] <crimsun> not really important.
[02:29] <BockBilbo> yeah..
[02:29] <BockBilbo> its just a "welcome message"
[02:29] <alumik> the really important is the sources.list
[02:29] <BockBilbo> right?
[02:29] <BockBilbo> the sources are alright
[02:29] <buga> issue is a config file from the base-files package
[02:29] <genaro> crimsun: I'm speechless!
[02:29] <crimsun> essentially.
[02:30] <crimsun> genaro: eh?
[02:30] <buga> if you've modified it, it won't be updated
[02:30] <BockBilbo> and ive been able to do the dist upgrade to see if it has fixed all my problens
[02:30] <BockBilbo> ..
[02:30] <BockBilbo> from now i see no problems...
[02:30] <alumik> then don't touch it! :)
[02:31] <BockBilbo> lol... i can see that i have restored my system from an important damage
[02:31] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:31] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:31] <genaro> crimsun: Nice move! The libc6 version...
[02:31] <crimsun> genaro: just lucky it differs noticeably from the warty version.
[02:32] <Scooter> NEAT) there is a new HOARY installer everyone :D
[02:32] <LinuxJones> Scooter, is it graphical ?
[02:32] <BockBilbo> which is the issue for hoary?
[02:32] <alumik> Jan 21 15:21:04 localhost last message repeated 3065 times
[02:32] <alumik>  XD
[02:32] <BockBilbo> i mean, the text
[02:32] <buga> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[02:32] <BockBilbo> thanks
[02:33] <BockBilbo> fixed
[02:33] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:34] <LinuxJones> Scooter, where is the link to that ?
[02:34] <liquidhex> I have been looking at these apache config files for like an hour now.. I know that its using /var/www/apache2-default/ as the main dir-tree, but when i put in my dynamic DNS it actually comes up http://www.host.com/apache2-default/index.html
[02:34] <liquidhex> how can i make it just /index.html
[02:35] <BockBilbo> well.. thanks to all! crimsun , alumik , genaro , buga, HrdwrBoB  :D
[02:35] <buga> liquidhex: what's your documentroot in the apache config? /var/www?
[02:36] <IRCUser> hiya
[02:36] <IRCUser> i hear ubuntu array 3 is out :)
[02:36] <IRCUser> gonna burn now
[02:37] <Stew2> daniels thanks
[02:39] <[sN] > Hi
[02:40] <[sN] > I want to install ubuntu
[02:40] <dafox7> anybody knows how to play midi on ubuntu ?
[02:40] <liquidhex> buga- "server root" says /etc/apache
[02:40] <[sN] > does i only have to put in the cd?
[02:40] <robertj> found it
[02:40] <[sN] > couse it wont boot!
[02:40] <sladen> dafox7: timidiy and soundfonts
[02:41] <[sN] > ?
[02:41] <buga> dafox7: one possibility is using timidity and pmidy
[02:41] <buga> sorry, pmidi
[02:41] <IRCUser> does array 3 work fine with x.org?
[02:41] <genaro> sN: Change your mainboard setup so it boots first from CD
[02:41] <IRCUser> im dying to try array 3
[02:41] <IRCUser> but
[02:41] <IRCUser> im kinda afraid of betas :P
[02:41] <mjt> what's array 3?
[02:41] <[sN] > but i have done thaT
[02:42] <mjt> the hoary beta?
[02:42] <[sN] > i used daemon tools to open the img, and then i coy it with Roxio
[02:42] <[sN] > maybe thats wrog?
[02:42] <buga> liquidhex: do you use default configuration?
[02:42] <[sN] > me?
[02:42] <liquidhex> buga, yes
[02:42] <dafox7> buga, it says that I don't have a sequencer :-(
[02:43] <Dethread> [sN] , BIOS set to boot from CD?
[02:43] <[sN] > Yeas i have done that
[02:43] <alumik> dafox7, maybe you have to load the sequencer module of your soundcard
[02:43] <dafox7> alumik, how ?
[02:43] <dafox7> alumik, i have a soundblaster live!
[02:43] <pixelmonkey> is the best way to upgrade to Hoary to change all instances of warty to hoary in sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:43] <genaro> sN: It is all it is needed. How old is your mainboard?
[02:43] <buga> liquidhex: then your documentroot is specified in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file
[02:44] <[sN] > all new
[02:44] <Dethread> [sN] , I'm not sure whether mounting the image and burning from there might have screwed it up. Why don't you burn the image directly using Nero or something?
[02:44] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: dist-upgrade after update
[02:44] <buga> liquidhex: i guess it is /var/www
[02:44] <[sN] > AMD64
[02:44] <liquidhex> buga, omg if your right i love u
[02:44] <pixelmonkey> crimsun: right...
[02:44] <[sN] > nero wont work with my DVD burner
[02:44] <genaro> pixelmonkey: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:44] <[sN] > what else can i use to burn cds?
[02:44] <alumik> dafox7, i have no idea
[02:44] <buga> liquidhex: so you have to put your index.html to /var/www
[02:45] <pixelmonkey> what is the release date for Hoary?
[02:45] <Paralla1> April
[02:45] <Dethread> same as for Gnome :)
[02:45] <IRCUser> harry potter is on
[02:45] <IRCUser> :P
[02:45] <liquidhex> buga
[02:45] <IRCUser> anyways
[02:45] <liquidhex> thanks so much
[02:45] <[sN] > ?
[02:45] <liquidhex> im gonna fool around with this
[02:45] <IRCUser> pixelmonkey:  Array 3 just came out
[02:45] <[sN] > a good image burner?
[02:45] <IRCUser> if u dont mind betas :P
[02:45] <liquidhex> brb!
[02:45] <alumik> [sN] , cdrecord :)
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> [sN] : right click, 'write to disc'
[02:46] <[sN] > but where do i get that kind of choice?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> use nautilus
[02:47] <[sN] > i run windows now
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> oooh
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> ok you can burn it using nero or whatever
[02:48] <Scooter> <[sN] > BurnAtOnce is a free alternative too :) small, fast, and Free :D
[02:48] <emz> wow, ubuntu boot keeps telling me invalid or curropt kernel, and i checked the md5sums its the same
[02:48] <IRCUser> im burning hoary livecd daily snapshot now
[02:48] <IRCUser> im too afraid to use it on the hd yet :)
[02:49] <[sN] > thanx
[02:49] <RSM> Hey all. Can someone help me with my Ubuntu install?
[02:49] <RSM> I'm a linux n00b.
[02:49] <RSM> :(
[02:49] <emz> rsm
[02:49] <emz> is it saying curropt kernal?
 sure ask away :D
[02:49] <emz> im having the same trouble, and im a n00b to
[02:49] <emz> w00t
[02:50] <RSM> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1498411&enterthread=y
[02:50] <RSM> linky to m probelm
[02:51] <melazyboy> How do i stop gdm from starting, its killing linux and i can't ctrl+alt+bkspace out in time i need to reconfigure my xorg.conf
[02:51] <melazyboy> is there anything you can hold on boot that will prevent x/g/kdm from starting
[02:51] <IRCUser> hogwartz
[02:53] <optyk> melazyboy: boot to runlevel 1
[02:53] <oneifreak> melazyboy, tried booting the recovery mode (selected in the grub bootloader)?
[02:53] <melazyboy> yea im using recovery mode -- i just wanted to see if there was another method of doing it
[02:54] <emz> please can i get some help please?
[02:55] <crimsun> melazyboy: just temporarily rename the script in /etc/init.d
[02:55] <crimsun> melazyboy: (e.g., mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/notgdm)
[02:57] <chrismurf> anybody here using Hoary+Beagle?
[02:58] <RSM> Anyone feel like helping me?
[02:58] <mindphasr> chrismurf: Getting errors with dbus?
[02:58] <emz> me to please?
[02:58] <chrismurf> mindphasr: haven't gotten that far - I think it's a dependency issue with the hoary packages
[02:58] <sangriag> anybody installed warty in amd64?
[02:58] <genaro> RSM: What is your problem?
[02:58] <chrismurf> mindphasr: libgtksourceview-cil and libgtksourceview-common
[02:59] <mebaran> Anybody heard anything about Evolution ofr AMD64
[02:59] <RSM> genaro: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1498411&enterthread=y
[02:59] <mebaran> mine is completely screwed
[02:59] <chrismurf> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common
[02:59] <BockBilbo> byeee
[02:59] <BockBilbo> and thnanks againnn
[02:59] <chrismurf> that's from the output
[02:59] <mindphasr> chrismurf: ah..if I recall they depend on versions not in hoary or older versions?
[02:59] <IRCUser> 2005 is the year of linux! :)
[02:59] <IRCUser> Linux Inc.
[02:59] <emz> please can you help me, id like to use ubuntu, but it wont boot?!
[02:59] <crimsun> chrismurf: I chose to remove libgtksourceview-cil
[03:00] <chrismurf> well, beagle depends on the cil one I think
[03:00] <chrismurf> maybe not - but the instructions say to install it
[03:00] <chrismurf> and it depends on common
[03:00] <chrismurf> so when i install cil, it installs common, and the conflict on that nemerle file (who uses nemerle anyway??)
[03:01] <StolenShoeBox> how do i find my local ip address
[03:01] <chris`xchat> ifconfig
[03:02] <StolenShoeBox> thx
[03:02] <chris`moo> nps
[03:03] <chrismurf> crimsun: do you know if -cil is required by beagle
[03:04] <crimsun> chrismurf: check the Depends for beagle
[03:04] <crimsun> (I don't have beagle installed)
[03:05] <genaro> chau
[03:05] <chrismurf> crimsun: oh - it's not a package - that's the problem
[03:05] <chrismurf> mindphasr: do you know if beagle really needs the -cil package?
[03:06] <mindphasr> chrismurf: No, not really sure.. I think so though
[03:07] <melazyboy> how do i find the busid for a card, lspci? then i see 0000:01:00.0 does that mean 00:01:00 is the busid?
[03:07] <chrismurf> mindphasr: okay - it's probably just a conflict between cil and common temporarily
[03:08] <mjt> anyone know if there's a way to get "multimedia keyboard" keys to be properly recognized by xfree86 on 2.6 kernel?  I see the key events in /dev/input/eventN (KEY_VOLUMEUP etc), but xev is silent...
[03:09] <mindphasr> chrismurf: Yeah - I had the same -problem. I however had older versions in my cache that I used to resolve the dependency..about a week ago
[03:09] <crimsun> chrismurf: according to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto , yes.
[03:10] <chrismurf> crimsun: yeah - those are the instructions I'm following, but there's weird conflicts going on.  Tnx though
[03:10] <ycco> man, do I have some data sorting to do...    There was something around it causing the on-screen distortion.  I moved it away and didn't have any problems.
[03:11] <ycco> which is good, cause I can't really afford to buy a new monitor ATM.
[03:11] <crimsun> ycco: excellent.
[03:11] <ycco> I can't wait to get my wifes box moved from RH9 to Ubuntu.
[03:12] <ycco> crimsun: yah... super good.
[03:12] <ycco> I'm moving every box I can to Ubuntu.
[03:12] <ycco> heh
[03:12] <buga> melazyboy: the format is busid:slot.func
[03:13] <chrismurf> mindphasr: Thanks for the help
[03:13] <mindphasr> np
[03:13] <melazyboy> ycco: Heaters and fans are known to do cause magnetic distrubances that can cause that, as well as old clocks, and vacuum cleaners, and amps
[03:13] <mindphasr> Whats that program to test apt-get sources speed?
[03:14] <mebaran> EVOLUTION!!!!!
[03:14] <ycco> melazyboy: hmmm, I was next to a in-wall heater/ac unit.
[03:14] <mebaran> anybody know about the problems in that package yet for AMD64 that makes it unusuable on my machine
[03:14] <mebaran> I need a pop3 email client and contact manger
[03:14] <melazyboy> ycco: Try turning the heater off and see if it goes away, if it was a heater you would see lots of micro-giggling of sort
[03:14] <ycco> melazyboy: well, I'm far enough away now.... so... if that was it, no worries now ;)
[03:15] <ycco> The odd thing is, I've been there for the longest time and it didn't effect it.
[03:15] <ycco> (or so it seemed)
[03:15] <Grev> how can I find out what version a kernel driver is
[03:15] <melazyboy> ycco: our stupid **** school district had them put this big heating unit above our computer lab and it was so bad they had to move half of the lab
[03:15] <chris`moo> nn
[03:16] <ycco> melazyboy: hehe
[03:16] <Quest-Master> Is it possible to directly burn a .bin file to a CD and it will be bootable?
[03:16] <qcompson> yes, you need a .cue file as well
[03:16] <Neo_654> Is there anythink close to the same as Dreamweaver MX for Linux?
[03:16] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: I think that would be dependant on the bin file
[03:17] <mebaran> Neo_654: I am looking for the same
[03:18] <Neo_654> mebaran: I'm checking out Nvu right now but don't like that it can't set up a local and a remote setting.
[03:18] <Lowry> neo -open office
[03:18] <sangriag> quanta.sf.net is good like Dreamweaver
[03:18] <Quest-Master> qcompson: Exactly, thanks. ;)
[03:18] <Quest-Master> Quanta is the BOMB.
[03:18] <ycco> Okies... bbiab,  Going to try and stick this WG311 PCI wireless adapter in my boxen.
[03:18] <ycco> :)
[03:19] <Neo_654> Ok will check out Quanta now.  Thanks.
[03:19] <Quest-Master> None of my GTK-based editors are able to open remote files, and Quanta can.
[03:19] <qcompson> is anyone running xfce 4.2?
[03:19] <Neo_654> Nvu opens the files on the remote other than setting the local path and ftping when told to.
[03:19] <Quest-Master> qcompson: I was going to use it, but couldn't figure out keyboard shortcuts which I can't live without
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Nvu is nice, but I like to write my stuff with hand. No WYSIWYG for me.
[03:20] <sangriag> qcompson: yes
[03:20] <sangriag> in 32bit
[03:20] <dustigroove> play with quanta plus, nvu, bluefish, and screem... pick a fav
[03:20] <Neo_654> I understand that and I do the same but like to look as I go.
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Screem was pretty buggy for me. :( Looked awesome though.
[03:20] <qcompson> sangriag: how do you like it?
[03:20] <sangriag> I didn't like 4.2 XFCE compared to the its predessors! :-(
[03:20] <Quest-Master> :o
[03:21] <Quest-Master> I barely noticed any difference, let alone a negative difference :(
[03:21] <qcompson> sangriag: bummer... I tried to install through apt on warty but had probs
[03:21] <Quest-Master> I installed it with ease.. worked really nicely
[03:21] <sangriag> qcompson: did you use their repository?
[03:22] <sangriag> in sources.list
[03:22] <qcompson> yeah I did... ran into a bunch of dependancy issues
[03:22] <IRCUser> awesome
[03:22] <sangriag> it won't
[03:22] <IRCUser> the latest hoary livecd works!
[03:22] <IRCUser> about time x was setup :)
[03:22] <Quest-Master> How stable is Hoary now?
[03:23] <IRCUser> quest:  Livecd works great :)
[03:23] <dustigroove> anyone using networkmanager w/ warty?
[03:23] <IRCUser> quest:  A couple of software problems
[03:23] <IRCUser> in the latest snapshot
[03:23] <IRCUser> the next release tho should be nice
[03:24] <Quest-Master> Can't wait till Hoary becomes Warty.
[03:24] <IRCUser> ?
[03:24] <IRCUser> quest that makes no sense
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Wait
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> hoary becomes stable he means
[03:25] <Quest-Master> I'm confused on the whole naming thing.
[03:25] <IRCUser> quest-master:  Read what u wrote :)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[03:25] <IRCUser> it didnt come out right
[03:25] <sangriag> qcompson: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ to get the XFCE work
[03:25] <IRCUser> but yeah ok
[03:25] <Quest-Master> So after Hoary there will be another name for the unstable release?
[03:25] <thully_> I think he means when Hoary becomes stable and grumpy becomes the unstable release
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> I see.
[03:25] <qcompson> sangriag: that's what I used...
[03:26] <dustigroove> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[03:26] <ogra> thully_: grumpy == bendy (the name was changed)
[03:27] <chris`moo> hmm, where can I change the port that VNC uses, which comes with ubuntu (the server)
[03:27] <chris`moo> i.e. listens on
[03:28] <qcompson> sangriag: you have warty, used those sources and it installed w/o a hitch?
[03:29] <Quest-Master> I wonder when they will run out of names for the distributions. :o
[03:30] <Kakalto> Is it much trouble in ubuntu to re-compile your kernel?
[03:31] <dustigroove> antsy antelope
[03:31] <dustigroove> jerky jackelope?
[03:32] <dustigroove> i imagine they'll have some creative names as long as there are funny little critters
[03:37] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, if you are interested in learning about your hardware it is a great exercise. Very frustrating the first 10 times you do it till you get it right :D
[03:37] <Kakalto> LinuxJones; I am coming from Gentoo, where you must compile your kernel, just to install ;)
[03:38] <Kakalto> Therefore I know my hardware, but I was just wondering if the kernel compile interface is teh same on ubuntu
[03:38] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, oh well just install build-essential && kernel-source and away you go :)
[03:38] <chrismurf> Kakalto: I came from Gentoo as well
[03:38] <Kakalto> then it comes up with the select list?
[03:38] <Kakalto> chrismurf: kewl,
[03:38] <chrismurf> Kakalto: it takes some getting used to - you get used to installing a lot of -dev packages
[03:39] <Kakalto> I'm staying with Gentoo (atleast for a while) on one of my comps, but I'm gonna install ubuntu on my old comp
[03:39] <chrismurf> I did that split on my laptop and desktop, but I just barely converted over my desktop to ubuntu as well
[03:40] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, once you get used to Ubuntu you will love it.
[03:40] <chrismurf> He speaks sooth.
[03:40] <Kakalto> well, I don't exactly want to take Gentoo off my computer which took atleast a few days to install
[03:40] <chrismurf> :nods:
[03:41] <Kakalto> plus, I like my "emerge" command ;)
[03:41] <darkgamer20> hello everyone
[03:41] <darkgamer20> anyone know how to setup printing with cups?
[03:41] <chrismurf> yeah - you get used to apt-get.  not quite the same (read "not quite as good ;-)" but decent
[03:41] <LinuxJones> Kakalto,  you can back up your Gentoo install to cd before installing Ubuntu
[03:42] <Kakalto> true...
[03:42] <Kakalto> I could make my comp a real slut - win, ubuntu, gentoo
[03:42] <Kakalto> all three
[03:42] <chrismurf> you could do that
[03:42] <Kakalto> 0_o
[03:42] <Kakalto> :D
[03:42] <chrismurf> I've been there, but there's not really any reason in the long haul
[03:42] <occy> crimsun: still awake?
[03:42] <chrismurf> unless you're a dev.
[03:42] <occy> heh
[03:42] <chrismurf> anyway- I'm out
[03:42] <chrismurf> later
[03:43] <LinuxJones> chrismurf, if your running genttoo yeah I would agree with that
[03:43] <occy> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device
[03:43] <darkgamer20> what is the user and password i enter when trying to setup a printer through cups?
[03:43] <Kakalto> seeya chrismurf
[03:43] <chrismurf> occy: ignore it
[03:43] <chrismurf> occy: or visit:
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: sorta hard to ignore when it like... stops booting.
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: :)
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: It's Dead Jim[tm]
[03:44] <chrismurf> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors
[03:44] <Kakalto> Would it be possible for me to install gnome onto my gentoo rig from teh ubuntu cd?
[03:44] <occy> chrismurf: lemme take a look. :)
[03:44] <chrismurf> go there :-)  The wiki is a good place to start for that stuff - also, ubuntuguide.org
[03:44] <darkgamer20> hey chrismurf you think you could help me?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, why not just install using portage ?
[03:45] <chrismurf> darkgamer20: just use the printer tool in the menu
[03:45] <occy> yeah, if I add that to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist   Then I don't get my Network card (eth0) while the Wireless network card is in there too.
[03:45] <Kakalto> 'cause I don't want to go through my 2gb cap real quick, and I also don't want to go through a 14 hour downloading AND compiling session
[03:46] <Kakalto> I mean, a third of the time was just downloading
[03:46] <occy> The Network card gave some odd info in dmesg.
[03:46] <occy> heh
[03:46] <Kakalto> the ubuntu gnome settings are screwy
[03:46] <occy> the wireless network card that is.
[03:46] <occy> aix100 ?
[03:46] <Kakalto> *not gnome, grub
[03:46] <occy> hmm something like that.
[03:47] <Kakalto> it's quite a bit of effort to get ubuntu dual-booting with win, isn't it?
[03:47] <chrismurf> occy: dunno about your networking errors, but the pci---blah and hw_random stuff can be ignored.  It's just whining about enhanced PCI and stuff.
[03:47] <occy> it said something to the effect of... "YOu were duped into buying an aix100 chipset when you should have bought the lucent chip(or something)"
[03:47] <occy> chrismurf: no worries, thanks
[03:47] <darkgamer20> chrismurf: I tried that but my printer dose not print
[03:48] <chrismurf> occy: ahhh - that probably means you're screwed :-) wireless support is not my strong suit, but my successes have been minimal.
[03:48] <chrismurf> darkgamer20: dunno - sorry - good luck
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[03:49] <occy> it had a website to visit. heh
[03:49] <occy> I'll probably have to boot the live cd again
[03:50] <occy> to kill that hw_random
[03:50] <occy> damnit
[03:50] <occy> yeah
[03:50] <Kakalto> LinuxJones; I'd rather configure grub myself, then I know if it'll work or not
[03:50] <Kakalto> I configured grub myself for gentoo, but ubuntu won't let me without a major mess
[03:52] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, your having trouble running windows ?
[03:52] <Kakalto> yeah
[03:52] <Kakalto> I can't remember teh exact boot error
[03:52] <Kakalto> but, that was on another comp
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, ms doesnt' want to play with other operating systems
[03:54] <LinuxJones> but there was a grub error a while back...you running warty or hoary ?
[03:54] <Kakalto> Jones, I know how anti-social win is
[03:55] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:55] <Kakalto> warty, I haven't messed with hoary
[03:56] <LinuxJones> I recall reading that hoary fixes that problem but I don't run any MS products so I can't confirm it. As you are a Gentoo guy your used to being on the bleeding edge :D
[03:57] <occy> damn... can't find my Ubuntu Live cd....
[03:57] <occy> oh, wait, I think it's upstairs
[03:57] <Necrosan> lol
[03:57] <Necrosan> dualbooting is simple
[03:57] <Necrosan> Kakalto: You can dualboot with standard grub. I do. :)
[03:57] <Necrosan> (well i set a friends up like that)
[03:58] <Paralla1> does anyone know how to set up xinerama for dual screen
[03:58] <occy> whew, found it.
[03:59] <occy> What a great rescue disc.
[03:59] <Paralla1> i want to have a long desktop on 2 screens, Can any one help?
[03:59] <NetwrkMonkey> bbl
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> What is a p2p program that I can apt get?
[04:01] <Paralla1> amule
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> or will actually compile on ubunto amd64
[04:01] <robertj> wget
[04:01] <robertj> well wget apache
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> i searched synaptic for 'amule'
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> nothing there
[04:02] <optik> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[04:02] <optik> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[04:02] <optik> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete amule
[04:02] <optik> ??????
[04:02] <nestle-iced-tea> There is no amule package
[04:03] <optik> how to for install ?
[04:03] <Paralla1> have u modified the apt sources?
[04:03] <nestle-iced-tea> no?
[04:03] <Paralla1> well , w are u waiting for?
[04:04] <Paralla1> uncomment /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <Kirsch_> hey guys, how do I create a menu in my Gnome Applications menu?
[04:07] <randabis> warty?
[04:07] <randabis> in warty nautilus applications:///
[04:07] <occy> ahhh, it's acx100   is the name of it.
[04:07] <randabis> I don't know how to in hoary
[04:07] <IRCUser> warty or hoary!!
[04:08] <thully_> Has anybody got the "hibernate" button on ThinkPads to activate hibernate on Hoary?
[04:10] <nestle-iced-tea> Paralla1, ok, now how do i take these changes into effect?
[04:10] <nestle-iced-tea> Do I have to update?
[04:11] <robertj> Does anyone else dislike the stacked blue arrows WiFi Meeter?
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> holy crap
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> uncommenting that source file
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> is a dream
[04:14] <LucidVisions> Well,well. This is quite faster than my gentoo install
[04:14] <LucidVisions> hello all
[04:14] <dustigroove> no, working on the same thing thully
[04:14] <nestle-iced-tea> yeah.. im loving ubuntu
[04:15] <LucidVisions> its (For me) Increadably faster,very snappy indeed.
[04:15] <nestle-iced-tea> 64bit OWNS
[04:15] <nestle-iced-tea> this is the only distro ive tried.. out of like 4.. where it worked right out the box
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Why do I get permission errors when I try to empty my wastebasket?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Is there anyone way to sudo and empty my wastebasket?
[04:16] <LucidVisions> thats cool i think to have everything work from the get-go
[04:16] <LucidVisions> I was running gentoo for the last 2 months
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:17] <LucidVisions> but now this is faster,and i dont have to compile everything from source
[04:17] <LucidVisions> hehe
[04:17] <Quest-Master> LinuxJones: And then?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, I had some problem like 4 months ago with gnome :P
[04:17] <Quest-Master> Odd
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, logout and then log back in
[04:17] <robertj> what are you doing with your 64 bit that OWNS?
[04:18] <nestle-iced-tea> robertj take it easy
[04:18] <nestle-iced-tea> im just excited to have amd64 linux
[04:18] <drspin> hey all
[04:19] <drspin> how can I make XMMS the default player for mp3?
[04:19] <korg815> hello...I got a quick question about ubuntu...can anyone help?
[04:19] <drspin> korg815: ask your question
[04:20] <swim> hay ho
[04:20] <korg815> I installed it and all...when I su it asks me for the password...but in the install it never asked for one...what's the default pass for root?
[04:20] <swim> is there still a mail checker for the panel?
[04:20] <drspin> korg815: root is diasbled by default
[04:20] <drspin> use sudo
[04:21] <korg815> ahh cool
[04:21] <pixelmonkey> korg815, I believe Ubuntu by default uses your user password for accessing applications as root
[04:21] <korg815> that's new to me
[04:21] <Zotnix> kogorman, some weird reasoning for it.
[04:21] <drspin> korg815: you can enable the root account but you can look that up on the wiki if it's that important to you ;)
[04:21] <dustigroove> to get a root prompt, sudo -s
[04:21] <Zotnix> However some things won't work in that mode
[04:21] <korg815> I'll just  use sudo from now on
[04:22] <drspin> korg815: good call -- the password is the same as for your account
[04:22] <korg815> one more question...how come I don't need a swap partition?
[04:22] <drspin> korg815: how much RAM?
[04:22] <pixelmonkey> korg815, if you have a lot of memory, you may not need one
[04:22] <korg815> 256
[04:22] <korg815> err...512
[04:22] <pixelmonkey> korg815, eek, you need one! :)
[04:23] <drspin> come to think of it... I don't know if I have a swap...
[04:23] <drspin> (should have)
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> korg815, I'd recommend you get a swap with 512MB
[04:23] <korg815> ok cool
[04:23] <pvh> Hello, can anyone explain to me why my Warty torrent can't connect to the tracker?
[04:23] <korg815> thanks...gotta go reinstall
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> jeez
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> no he didn't
[04:23] <linux_galore> yes you need swap...bad ju ju no have swap..evil windows gods make things disappear
[04:23] <Zotnix> I have 384 MB RAM and it gave me 500 MB of swap.
[04:24] <Zotnix> I redid the partition setup anyhow.
[04:24] <pvh> I am getting 'connection error (timeout)' right now, but I didn't see any mention of the tracker being down in the forums.
[04:24] <Zotnix>  /, /boot, and /home
[04:24] <pvh> Hey! There she goes just now! I guess it's back online.
[04:24] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, as long as /home is on a separate partition, any layout is good...
[04:24] <drspin> LOL -- 1.5x the amount of RAM usually makes for a good swap...
[04:24] <drspin> IMHO
[04:24] <Zotnix> pixelmonkey, yep, it is.
[04:24] <pixelmonkey> drspin: that rule of thumb is rather antiquated
[04:25] <Zotnix> pixelmonkey, I also put / in its own so I can give /home the most space.
[04:25] <drspin> pixelmonkey: yes with larger memory systems especially ;)
[04:25] <Zotnix> I think I overkilled / though
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> drspin: on my desktop machine with 1GB of RAM I only have a 512MB swap
[04:25] <Zotnix> 17 gigs
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix: I do CVS compilations on / so I gave it a lot too :)
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> ot question, does anyone here use Wordpress?
[04:26] <Zotnix> I do.
[04:26] <drspin> pixelmonkey: do you max it out?
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> drspin: no, and I even run VMWare there :)
[04:27] <LucidVisions> i am feeling the wrath of my kernel
[04:27] <LinuxJones> Wordpress omg is this like 1985 :D
[04:27] <drspin> pixelmonkey: cool :)
[04:27] <Zotnix> What do you suggest in its place?
[04:27] <Zotnix> Movable Type?
[04:27] <Zotnix> (Bleck)
[04:27] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, no, that's actually what I was gonna ask
[04:27] <drspin> so how can I make XMMS default player for mp3??
[04:27] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, I want to switch from CuteNews to Wordpress, recommended over MT?
[04:28] <Zotnix> Never used CuteNews... however WP doesn't have multiple blog support yet. But otherwise it is *very* nice and standards compliant.
[04:28] <linux_galore> gnome-default-applications-properties
[04:29] <Zotnix> MT has a very restrive license at the moment also.
[04:29] <LucidVisions> haha
[04:29] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, interesting...
[04:30] <Zotnix> Honestly I did prefer MT's tag system for the blog itself... WP uses PHP tags for everything but they tell you what they all do in their docs
[04:31] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, I'm not really a license zealot, so I was thinking of using MT
[04:31] <Zotnix> I think the free version restricts to three max bloggers to one max blog
[04:31] <Zotnix> Either that or 5 to 1
[04:31] <Zotnix> Not sure.
[04:31] <Zotnix> Maybe they relaxed it at some point. Both have their merits though :-p
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, cool, thanks for the view
[04:32] <LucidVisions> im loving dpkg/apt way more than portage/emerge
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> LucidVisions, it is way better :)
[04:32] <Zotnix> LucidVisions, heh, WAY better than yum or urpmi
[04:32] <Zotnix> RPMs are so slow.
[04:33] <Zotnix> I prefer Slackware and Debian based distros when it comes to packages.
[04:35] <sgtshatta> I have a question
[04:35] <pixelmonkey> sgtshatta, then ask it!
[04:37] <Kakalto> what does ubuntu's grub.conf look like?
[04:37] <linux_galore> fastest distro Ive used so far would be YOPPER.. easiest would be between Ubuntu or SimpyMepis
[04:38] <Zotnix> I've heard yoper had problems with slow mirrors and whatnot.
[04:39] <thully_> Ubuntu seems fastest to me - SUSE seemed slowest
[04:39] <linux_galore> well I bittorented YOPPER and I got 70-120 k
[04:39] <LucidVisions> yopper ya.
[04:39] <Zotnix> bit torrent doesn't rely on mirrors though
[04:39] <Zotnix> I meant when updating package lists and getting software
[04:39] <LucidVisions> haha,torrent mirrors
[04:40] <occy> man, I think it should be criminal for hardware manufactorers not to release code for their products.
[04:40] <linux_galore> well yopper doesnt have many packages only about 1000 on the server the rest I just compiled
[04:40] <daniels> code isn't as big a problem as specs
[04:40] <thully_> SuSE 9.2 was decent, but it seemed to cut my PC's speed in half
[04:40] <LucidVisions> dam,only 1000,thats not much
[04:41] <Stew2> is there a way to make hoary/ubuntu autoupdate?
[04:41] <occy> spent good money on this Wireless PCI Adapter WG311 only to have it not work worth a crap.
[04:41] <occy> *sigh*
[04:41] <linux_galore> yeah noticed that myself no auto update daemon on Ubuntu I had to setup a cron job
[04:41] <Zotnix> linux_galore, isn't it RPM based too?
[04:42] <thully_> Mepis seems like the most overrated distro - it just doesn;t work that well for me and has some breakage throughout the distro - also the solution to most driver issues is "recompile the kernel"
[04:42] <linux_galore> Zotnix: yeah its rpm based but uses apt-rpm and synaptic
[04:42] <Zotnix> I stay away from RPMs ... heh
[04:42] <qcompson> suse, especially 9.2 seemed slow for me as well
[04:42] <RobNyc> ANyone here using a amd athlon xp-m 2800+ laptop or alike ?
[04:42] <thully_> There is also an interesting paradox - Mepis beats Ubuntu on distrowatch, but Ubuntu beats Mepis hands down in IRC users
[04:43] <linux_galore> rpm's dont bother me......then again Ive read up on rpm's
[04:43] <Zotnix> thully_, I think Ubuntu is newer though too
[04:43] <Stew2> nevermind found it on the faq
[04:43] <Zotnix> Ubuntu for coming out fairly recently is already... number 7 or so?
[04:43] <linux_galore> yeah not fair really wait till Ubuntu has a second release...Mepis has been around a while
[04:44] <Zotnix> Ubuntu has really caught on. I was skeptical but really was surprised and I love it.
[04:44] <thully_> It's debian without install headaches and elitism
[04:44] <qcompson> totally
[04:44] <linux_galore> well I had little choice Ive got an ibook and mepis didnt have anything
[04:44] <Zotnix> And more up to date
[04:44] <linux_galore> so I went with Ubuntu
[04:44] <Zotnix> Debian, as I remember, had old packages.
[04:44] <thully_> elitism is rampant in debian - at least in #debian
[04:45] <qcompson> I bet
[04:45] <linux_galore> lol #Debian worse than #gentoo  now way
[04:45] <kotau> So I have enabled my system monitor on my toolbar.  it reports that the CPU is 100% in use by 'nice' processes all the time... ps aux shows my CPU about 20% in use though...  can the monitor be displaying it incorrectly?
[04:45] <sgtshatta> I am stuck in 640x480 mode in ubuntu hoary after install any ideas how to fix this??
[04:45] <ajmitch> linux_galore: surely it's not that bad?
[04:45] <thully_> stable debian is totally a relic from medieval times - however, sid and hoary are comparable
[04:45] <linux_galore> ajmitch: thats what Im saying nothing can be worse then #gentoo
[04:45] <LinuxJones> #debian is poison with idiots :D
[04:46] <linux_galore> ajmitch: enter the #gentoo channel and say why is emarge in crappy python why not use c
[04:46] <sladen> sgtshatta: your monitor probably doesn't return probe information about what frequences it can do.  edit  /etc/X11/xfree86.conf
[04:46] <qcompson> sgtshatta: you can manually edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file if the option in the gnome menu isn't working for you
[04:46] <linux_galore> ajmitch: watch the knifes fly
[04:46] <sgtshatta> sladen: Thanx will try that
[04:46] <sladen> kotau: type  'top'  and see what is taking up the CPU
[04:47] <pixelmonkey> linux_galore, that's kind of ad hoc.  Python is a good language.
[04:47] <sgtshatta> sladen: this is using xorg.conf
[04:47] <thully_> The biggest sin in #debian is to mention that you installed Debian by an "unconventional" method, like dist-upgrading a live CD install of Knoppix-type distros
[04:47] <Zotnix> Ubuntu is very python orientated.
[04:47] <linux_galore> pixelmonkey: yes but its not always good to force people to install python/perl to admin a system
[04:48] <mcphail> sgtshatta: would dpkg-reconfigure -a help?
[04:48] <Stew2> I followed the automated update instructions until "export EDITOR=gedit && sudo crontab -e". Is this creating a 'crontab' file on the disk?
[04:48] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, Python is great
[04:48] <sladen> sgtshatta: Hoary.  yup, xorg.conf.  BTW, did you monitor auto-detect under Warty---if it doesn't under Hoary that's a bug.  Can you file it on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:48] <Kakalto> what does ubuntu's grub.conf look like?
[04:48] <Zotnix> I am learning to program in Python
[04:48] <Zotnix> pygtk and whatnot
[04:48] <Necrosan> Kakalto: Doesn't matter.
[04:48] <Necrosan> It's menu.lst that does :)
[04:48] <Kakalto> yes it does
[04:48] <Kakalto> oh
[04:49] <sgtshatta> sladen: ok so its not possible to use hoary with this monitor then??
[04:50] <sladen> sgtshatta: of course it is.
[04:50] <sgtshatta> sladen: Is there a fix to get this to work??
[04:51] <sladen> sgtshatta: to detect what resolutions your monitor can do, we use something called ddcprobe that asks the monitor for the information.  Some monitor return that incorrectly or not at all
[04:51] <sladen> sgtshatta: did you have warty on the machine before?
[04:51] <sgtshatta> sladen: I had warty on before
[04:52] <sgtshatta> sladen: It worked fine but with hoary it dont work
[04:52] <sladen> sgtshatta: was your monitor correctly detected with Warty, or did you have to select the resolution from a menu
[04:52] <Kakalto> then what does ubuntu's menu.lst look like?
[04:52] <sgtshatta> sladen: My monitor worked fine and was detected by warty
[04:53] <sgtshatta> sladen: after installing warty the resolution was just fine and everything worked
[04:53] <sgtshatta> sladen: under hoary the resolution is stuck at 640x480 and even though i edit the file it wont change
[04:54] <mcphail> Kakalto: less /boot/grub/menu.lst    - it's going to be different on each machine
[04:55] <sladen> daniels: ping.  sgtshatta has an interesting case for you
[04:55] <sgtshatta> sladen: I just did ddcprobe and it returned all the correct info for my monitor including all the resolutions
[04:56] <sladen> sgtshatta: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <sgtshatta> sladen: This is so weird
[04:58] <supertux_> hi i need to mount a drive but im not sure what type of file system is on the drive
[04:58] <kebac> supertux_: use fdisk
[04:59] <supertux_> i thought it was fat32 or ntfs cant be sure
[04:59] <sladen> supertux_: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda   will tell you what type each partition is
[04:59] <supertux_> yeah
[04:59] <LucidVisions> is apt-build an easy gui tool?
[04:59] <supertux_> hmmm
[04:59] <sladen> supertux_: and if you don't know, you can always try 'auto'
[04:59] <supertux_> yeah
[04:59] <Kirsch_> is there a way to have the icons aligned to the right in gnome?
[05:00] <drspin> does Ubuntu have a package for the XMMS Faad plugin?
[05:00] <swim> hay does anyone have a splash working with grub?
[05:00] <sladen> drspin: apt-cache search faad
[05:00] <drspin> sladen: doesn't have the XMMS plugin
[05:00] <swim> mine shows a black screen... though its pointed to the correct splash image
[05:00] <sladen> swim: people do.  It eats an XPM file 640x400x14
[05:01] <Kakalto> If I want to use an existing grub.conf configuration file, and add ubuntu into it, what do I have to do?
[05:01] <drspin> swim: note the 14bpp -- ;)
[05:01] <swim> sladen, yah Im using one that I got from gnome-look.org but Ive tried different ones and it doesnt work
[05:01] <swim> drspin, read above
[05:01] <sladen> drspin: 14 colours
[05:01] <daniels> sladen: pong
[05:01] <daniels> sgtshatta: what's up?
[05:02] <kebac> 14bpp != 14 colours
[05:02] <drspin> sladen: aye - that's what I meant... sorry :S
[05:02] <drspin> not even close on that one!
[05:02] <drspin> <<< Adobe Photoshop Habits
[05:02] <daniels> sgtshatta: when you run 'sudo ddcprobe', is there a line starting with 'monitorrange'? it should be right near the bottom
[05:02] <sladen> drspin: the other 2 colours (to make 16) are used for the black background and the text
[05:02] <swim> any ideas why mine isnt working? I have this line in my menu.lst: splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz
[05:03] <sgtshatta> daniels: yo
[05:03] <drspin> sladen: that's correct -- you a graphic designer?
[05:03] <Kakalto> anyone know?
[05:03] <sgtshatta> daniels: I just rebooted let me see
[05:04] <swim> sladen, any idea?
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: if there's no 'monitorrange' line, it's a known issue and will be fixed in the next revision (which I'll upload when the build eventually finishes)
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: yes there is monitorrange: 30-96, 50-150
[05:05] <emz> my ubuntu wont install everytime i press enetr on boot, it says curropt kernel
[05:05] <emz> and i just downloaded it
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: whoa, weird
[05:05] <emz> from ubuntu
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: those are my horizontal and vertical sync ratios
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: could you please email /var/log/Xorg.0.log to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:05] <swim> any ideas why mine isnt working? I have this line in my menu.lst: splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: no prob let me do that now ok
[05:05] <swim> anyone?
[05:05] <daniels> cheers
[05:06] <daniels> sgtshatta: you haven't put sync ranges back in your config file, have you?
[05:06] <daniels> (i need the log from it starting at 640x480)
[05:06] <nestle-iced-tea> Are there any P2P programs I can get through apt/synaptic?   Can you try another one
[05:06] <sgtshatta> daniels: no i have not
[05:06] <sgtshatta> daniels
[05:06] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: er, get limewire. just install it to ubuntuguide.org's instructions
[05:07] <daniels> sgtshatta: awesome.  if you email that to me, then I'll take a look at it, but I have to run off for a bit now.
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: should I do that now input the sync numbers in the config file
[05:07] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[05:07] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, ill check that site now,thanks..
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: ok thanx
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: I will email it now ok
[05:07] <swim> my grub splash is not working, I get a black screen then the regular boot text, instead of the image I have specified in menu.lst  can anyone help me figure out why?
[05:07] <Kakalto> If I want to use an existing grub.conf configuration file, and add ubuntu into it, what do I have to add to it?
[05:08] <Kakalto> anyone?
[05:09] <mcphail> Kakalto: It'll depend on your machine / kernel / partitioning etc.
[05:09] <sladen> swim: I've put my main laptpop away for the night and have to catch a train in a bit.  Can you email me the XPM file any changes you've made to 'menu.lst' and I'll try and follow it up in the next couple of days whilst I'm travelling
[05:10] <Kakalto> mcphail, could we query?
[05:10] <swim> sladen, thats very cool of you, if you want to send me your addy Ill do so
[05:11] <Kakalto> mcphail, join #ubuntu-help then could you tell me what parameters I would need?
[05:11] <mcphail> Kakalto: I'll post mine to #flood. You'll need to edit it for your own setup
[05:11] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, Those instructions are horrible.. that just says to sh the .bin file.. It's complaining about not being able to find the Java Virtal Machine.. But I installed Java-Common.. what do ido?
[05:11] <Kakalto> ahk
[05:11] <sgtshatta> sladen: I have a question for you??
[05:12] <Guardiann> nestle-iced-tea  install java 1st
[05:12] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: follow the instructions on installing the sun JRE
[05:12] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: also in that same guide.
[05:13] <mcphail> Kakalto: You don't need them all, but they are what Ubuntu auto-generates
[05:13] <Kakalto> hhrm
[05:13] <Kakalto> mcphail; Thanks.
[05:14] <mcphail> Kakalto: You'll need the root, kernel image and initrd
[05:14] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:14] <sladen> swim<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:14] <Kakalto> so I'll need to copy those images over to my boot partition
[05:14] <swim> sladen, thx so much
[05:14] <melazyboy> god damit i hate ati btw
[05:14] <sladen> sgtshatta: yup
[05:14] <sgtshatta> sladen: Hey I have a question for you
[05:15] <Kakalto> mcphail, I'd expect I'd need the title line, too ;)
[05:15] <mcphail> Kakalto: Yup
[05:15] <sgtshatta> sladen: where do i input my hor and vert sync rates in xorg.conf??
[05:15] <sladen> sgtshatta: I don't know.  daniels is the expert!
[05:15] <Kakalto> mcphail, I don't recognise the last two lines, so would I not need them?
[05:15] <sgtshatta> sladen: damn oh well he had to go too
[05:15] <Kakalto> like, would they be menu.lst-specific?
[05:16] <sgtshatta> sladen: you think the developers channel would help me or they would just kick and ban me??
[05:16] <qcompson> it's under the "monitor:" section isn't it?
[05:16] <Kakalto> mcphail, but how will grub know to boot with those images onto my ubuntu parition?
[05:16] <sladen> sgtshatta: they'd probably get irriated
[05:17] <sgtshatta> sladen: yea they would get annoyed
[05:17] <sladen> sgtshatta: http://www.google.com/search?q=xorg+vertrefresh
[05:17] <sladen> sgtshatta: or something simimlar
[05:17] <melazyboy> sgtshatta: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep horz
[05:17] <mcphail> Kakalto: You will point to the images on your Ubuntu partition...
[05:17] <Kakalto> oh, of course :$
[05:18] <Kakalto> so I wouldn't need to copy them to my boot partition
[05:18] <mcphail> Kakalto: they should be in the root directory on an Ubuntu install
[05:18] <melazyboy> sgtshatta: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Horiz
[05:19] <Kakalto> mcphail, then how does grub work normally on a different partition?
[05:19] <Kakalto> the images are on a different drive from the main files
[05:19] <mcphail> Kakalto: I don't understand the question
[05:19] <nestle-iced-tea> there is no java_vm file
[05:19] <nestle-iced-tea> like the howto says there is
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> necrosan, the guide says to make a symlink to a file called java_vm .. but there isnt one
[05:20] <mcphail> Kakalto: all GRUB will do is point to a kernel image to boot from. It doesn't matter where that is
[05:20] <Guardiann> nestle-iced-tea you need to d/l it first
[05:20] <Kakalto> and fstab does the rest?
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> I did..
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> I sh'ed the .bin file
[05:21] <Guardiann> did you d/l java
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> and copied the unpacked contents to /usr/java like it says
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> yeah
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> this is retarded
[05:21] <mcphail> Kakalto: the entries in fstab will be mounted during the boot
[05:21] <Puumba> I guess the ubuntu code of conduct does not apply to planet.ubuntulinux.org, having read mako's latest...
[05:21] <Guardiann> works great i have done it far to many times
[05:22] <Puumba> Not exactly "Considerate" or "Respectful"
[05:22] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: did you install the SUN JRE?
[05:22] <Puumba> and certainly not "affirming of others"
[05:22] <Kakalto> mcphail, but when during boot does the computer figure out that X11 and KDE are on /dev/sda4?
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, Im doing exactly according to the FAQ
[05:22] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: All I can say is reread and retry. It's worked every time.
[05:22] <Necrosan> You obviously aren't.
[05:22] <drspin> has anyone built the XMMS aac plugin on ubuntu?
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> Want to put money on it? go download that file
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> and unpack it like it says
[05:22] <Necrosan> I've installed it on 3 different systems according to those directions.
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> there is no java_vm file
[05:22] <Necrosan> You probably downloaded the wrong file. :)
[05:22] <Necrosan> You probably got "NetBeans IDE"
[05:22] <Guardiann> just set it up as it says to
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> Linux AMD64 self-extracting file  (jre-1_5_0_01-linux-amd64.bin, 15.39 MB)
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> Thats the one.
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> with NO java_vm
[05:23] <mcphail> Kakalto: You've told the system where the root directory is located. Everything else will then be mounted as per fstab
[05:23] <Necrosan> It obviously does have the java_vm
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> man
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> try it according to those exact instructions
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> just dont do the moving and symlinking
[05:23] <Kakalto> mcphail: what tells the system where the root directory is located?
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> i swear on the bible man
[05:23] <subterrific> Puumba: haha, its funny
[05:23] <rellik_> anyone know how to get sound working in ubuntu?  i have two sound cards (one onboard, non-working and one PCI, works under windows)...  how do I tell ubuntu which device to use?
[05:24] <daniels> sgtshatta: i need /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[05:24] <Kakalto> mcphail, I would like to know if the computer would try to boot ubuntu off my gentoo drive
[05:24] <mcphail> Kakalto: the entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst. You should be able to boot any root directory on any partition or spindle
[05:25] <Kakalto> ahk...
[05:25] <Kakalto> thanks
[05:25] <Kakalto> anything else, or may I leave & try it out?
[05:25] <Puumba> subterrific, insulting is funny?  He's a canonical employee, at that!
[05:25] <mcphail> Kakalto: I think I've confused myself... ;p
[05:25] <sgtshatta> sladen: Hey I fixed the resolution problem by manually inputting the vertical refresh rate and the horizontal sync and then killed my xserver and let it come back up, after the xserver restarted I was able to select all the different resolutions its that simple
[05:25] <Kakalto> mcphail, you've made me not confused ;)
[05:26] <mcphail> Kakalto: go experiment
[05:26] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:26] <Kakalto> the worst it can do, is just not boot ubuntu
[05:26] <subterrific> Puumba: if you're insulted by that, well...i can't put this any more delicately, you need to lighten up
[05:26] <Kakalto> which isn't neccessarily bad
[05:26] <sgtshatta> sladen: I edited the xorg.conf file and input the vert and horz rates and restarted X
[05:26] <subterrific> Puumba: it is obviously written in a joking manner
[05:26] <Kakalto> I will be back... at some point...
[05:26] <Puumba> so you're wanting to relax the code of conduct
[05:26] <usual> is there a way to adjust the delay in window shading in metacity? I notice in most other window managers shading is instant. in gnome with metacity it has a delay.
[05:27] <mcphail> Kakalto: good luck
[05:27] <Kakalto> does ubuntu come with an irc client?
[05:27] <Kakalto> mcphail, thanks
[05:27] <subterrific> Puumba: i see no violation
[05:27] <dustigroove> xchat
[05:27] <Kakalto> dustigroove, you talking to me?
[05:27] <dustigroove> sorry, yes
[05:27] <Kakalto> thanks.
[05:27] <Necrosan> Kakalto: xchat
[05:27] <Kakalto> heheh.
[05:28] <Kakalto> thanks anyway
[05:28] <Kakalto> bye
[05:28] <Puumba> subterrific, whether it be joking or not, it's neither considerate nor respectful
[05:28] <pestil> many people here
[05:28] <subterrific> Puumba: what is it then?
[05:29] <drspin> any chance of getting Ubuntu to include AAC pacakge with Hoary?
[05:29] <Puumba> insulting, as I said earler
[05:29] <rellik_> any idea why my "Volume Control" has 4 tabs for audio devices (2 OSS, and 2 Alsa) even though I only have 2 devices?  is there a utility to configure sound
[05:29] <Puumba> earlier
[05:29] <subterrific> Puumba: to you?
[05:29] <drspin> (for XMMS preferably
[05:29] <drspin> )
[05:30] <pestil> How do I find what version of something I have? I want to find the version of gtk included in Warty
[05:30] <Puumba> subterrific, what would you prefer?  Relative measures of what is and is not insulting?
[05:30] <subterrific> Puumba: is that post insulting to you?
[05:31] <Puumba> yes, as a matter of fact.  Why?
[05:31] <subterrific> Puumba: why?
[05:31] <Puumba> Why do you ask?
[05:32] <subterrific> Puumba: because anyone can point at anything and say they are insulted.
[05:32] <Kakalto> heheh.
[05:32] <subterrific> Puumba: i'm insulted by your name
[05:32] <Kakalto> forgot to back up my gentoo installation
[05:33] <Puumba> So then there can be no code of conduct.
[05:33] <pestil> How can I find the version of things in Ubuntu? I need to find my version of gtk
[05:34] <maximaus> Kakalto, you can use Gaim for IRC as well, though it's not as featureful.
[05:35] <Kakalto> ohk
[05:35] <Kakalto> I like kopete for messaging
[05:35] <Kakalto> I'll probably download chatzilla for firefox
[05:35] <subterrific> Puumba: wrong, people have to learn to be tolerant and respectful. thus, you must realize mako is making a joke on his personal blog.
[05:35] <pestil> Is there a command to find version numbers for all my softwaer?
[05:35] <Kakalto> Is it possible to have kopete on GNOME?
[05:35] <Puumba> subterrific, learning to be tolerant and respectful means knowing what offends
[05:36] <pestil> Kakalto: yes
[05:36] <Kakalto> pestil: Is it much trouble?
[05:36] <wern0122> Hello... never used irc before but i have a big mysterious problem with warty warthog
[05:36] <Kakalto> it's one of the only KDE apps I really like
[05:36] <subterrific> Puumba: it also means respecting differences of opinion
[05:36] <Kakalto> wern0122: It's not hard to learn ;)
[05:36] <maximaus> Kakalto, kopete's really nifty if you use KDE since it integrates with other apps, but gaim is gtk and will be a little more responsive. Apples and oranges.
[05:36] <varla> hi I am using irssi and I want to see the users on line how does it work?
[05:36] <pestil> pestil: in Ubuntu? I can't tell you. In Mandrake I use Kopete inside GNOME
[05:36] <hikaru79> What does the Option          "Protocol" line in xorg.conf look like for a USB mouse?
[05:37] <hikaru79> For PS2, it's "ImPS/2"
[05:37] <Kakalto> maximaus, okay, I'll just get used to GAIM
[05:37] <hikaru79> What is it for USB?
[05:37] <Kakalto> or use KDE when I really want kopete
[05:37] <pestil> Kakalto: Are you in Ubuntu?
[05:37] <Kakalto> nope
[05:37] <subterrific> Puumba: seriously, i don't see how that joke is offensive to you, which is why i asked, but you've failed to repond which makes me thing you're just complaining to complain
[05:37] <pestil> Kakalto: where are you
[05:37] <Kakalto> Does the Warty Warthog come with KDE, aswell as gnome?
[05:38] <maximaus> Kakalto,  you can use KDE under Ubuntu just fine if that's your preference.
[05:38] <Kakalto> sorta
[05:38] <maximaus> noflex, you have to install it which is very easy
[05:38] <pestil> Kakalto: it only comes with gnome, but you can add kde if you want
[05:38] <Kakalto> I like some of the apps more in KDE
[05:38] <Puumba> subterrific, think what you want
[05:38] <Kakalto> but GNOME's interface is better
[05:38] <subterrific> Puumba: i'm from the USA, and i see the humor
[05:38] <Nico666> please help, i can run the ubuntu lice cd
[05:38] <pestil> Kakalto: some people have had issues with Ubuntu's KDE though
[05:38] <Puumba> subterrific, fine, so I must think as you do
[05:38] <Kakalto> also, I think sound will work in ubuntu, I'm having major troubles with sound in Gentoo
[05:39] <maximaus> pestil, what KDE issues have folks been having?
[05:39] <Puumba> I'm not entitled to feel differently, and I MUST have an explanation for the way I FEEL
[05:39] <subterrific> Puumba: no, we can all have our opinions and respect them without getting offended. it's easy.
[05:39] <Kakalto> pestil, thanks anyway, I was wondering if it came on the cd, but I don't care about kde enough to download it ;)
[05:39] <drspin> Kakalto: try the LiveCD -- if it works, it should work when you install
[05:39] <Nico666> Whe i boot live cd appear PNPBIOS fault.. attempting recovery.
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: unexpected status 0x28
[05:39] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:39] <Kakalto> Nico666: use #flood !!!
[05:39] <daniels> puumba, subterrific: please take it somewhere else
[05:39] <Puumba> subterrific, no, according to you, I have to have an explanation for my opinion
[05:39] <mcphail> Kakalto: You don't need all of KDE to run the apps
[05:39] <pestil> maximaus: apparently, if you don't use the Ubuntu approved KDE, many things don't work ok
[05:39] <subterrific> Puumba: you do
[05:39] <Kakalto> drspin; sound worked on the livecd, but the mouse didn't
[05:39] <pestil> maximaus: for example, many KDE themes won't install or work well
[05:40] <subterrific> daniels: yeah, he's obviously trolling. i actually wanted to talk to you
[05:40] <Puumba> subterrific, the way people feel does not require explanation
[05:40] <Kakalto> drspin, would it be hard to get the mouse working in ubuntu?
[05:40] <pestil> maximaus: Ubuntu uses a non-standard location for KDE
[05:40] <Nico666> Kakalto Sorry, i not flooding, i only paste the error appear when i try to boot the live cd
[05:40] <maximaus> pestil, you mean stuff's not intalled under /opt?
[05:40] <Kakalto> Nico666, it's still flooding
[05:41] <daniels> pestil: there is no 'standard location' for kde.  it's really out of /usr (where we put it), and /opt/kde3, and everyone has realised /opt is a terrifically bad idea for most everything, *especially* distro packages.
[05:41] <maximaus> I've got it installed here and it works fine (though I prefer Gnome or XFCE) though mounting CDs seems troublesome compared to gnome.
[05:41] <pestil> maximaus: I cannot give you much more details. But people that tried KDE on Ubuntu previously, told me that
[05:41] <bur[n] er> maximaus: compared to xfce, kde is more gui friendly for cd mounting though ;)
[05:41] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to hoary and my Gnome menu is missing all its icons... any ideas how to fix that?
[05:42] <subterrific> daniels: i found a sort of half solution to the amd64 nvidia-glx bug i'm having. i know you're busy, but i just updated the bugzilla entry if you're interested
[05:42] <pestil> daniels: "everyone" thinks /opt is a bad idea? first time I hear that theory
[05:42] <subterrific> daniels: if you've got any ideas i could try them now.
[05:42] <maximaus> pestil, I think hardcore KDE users would be better served with a different distro to be honest.
[05:42] <Kakalto> would it be hard to get my mouse working in ubuntu, if it doesn't work on the livecd?
[05:42] <pestil> maximuas: I agree
[05:42] <Kakalto> or should I use a different mouse?
[05:42] <Necrosan> Kakalto: what kind of mouse do you have?
[05:43] <Kakalto> Phillips
[05:43] <Necrosan> USB/PS2?
[05:43] <Kakalto> PS2. it came with my keyboard, which works
[05:43] <pestil> ps/2? usb? serial? trackball?
[05:43] <Kakalto> I just said that
[05:43] <Kakalto> not trackball
[05:43] <Kakalto> it's your typical usb/ps2 optical mouse
[05:43] <Kakalto> I use it as ps2
[05:44] <Kakalto> to save usb space
[05:44] <daniels> pestil: it's been discussed to death, and virtually no-one within any distro community has come out with a differing opinion.  the only people who really use /opt are kde developers, so they can easily nuke /opt/qt3 and /opt/kde3.  (speaking as a former kde developer)
[05:44] <daniels> subterrific: thanks
[05:44] <Kakalto> it was easy to get working on Gentoo
[05:44] <qcompson> speaking of kde, has anyone tried yoper linux?
[05:44] <wern0122> ANYONE: can you answer this: Just switched to DSL and Ubuntu gets timed out when accessing websites. totally unusable, though I have an IP address and I can still ping anyone (google, etc).
[05:44] <Kakalto> I ran some command, which added it into the startup
[05:44] <wern0122> And mandrake works fine
[05:44] <Kakalto> anyone have ideas?
[05:45] <Kakalto> ?
[05:45] <admin__> i just installed the fr locale for openoffice and firefox - but i have no idea how to get either of those apps to show up in french!
[05:45] <subterrific> oracle uses /opt, and i'm pretty sure gentoo installs a few things into /opt by default
[05:45] <mcphail> Kakalto: I don't think the live cd is "proper" Ubuntu. You may get on better with an install
[05:45] <pestil> daniels: I guess I gotta get out more. Into the discussions, I mean.    In theory, /opt sounds like a viable solution to the non-standardness of locations, where stuff is either put in /usr/bin or /usr/local/ or /usr/share or even /etc sometimes
[05:46] <admin__> any ideas
[05:46] <admin__> ?
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, kewl.
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, but would it make a difference?
[05:46] <pestil> daniels: In practice I agree not many use the /opt feature
[05:46] <daniels> pestil: it's put into /usr/bin, /usr/local, /usr/share, and /etc
[05:46] <Kakalto> I'm going to install it, so I'm wondering about it
[05:46] <mcphail> Kakalto: I've heard hardware detection is better on the install
[05:46] <Kakalto> *going to install ubuntu, wondering about mouse
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, I wonder why? Surely it should be the same
[05:47] <daniels> it's very well-defined, by the filesystem heirachy standard.  /usr/bin is for binaries you run, /usr/lib is for libraries, /usr/share is for architecture-independent data that doesn't change, and /etc is for configuration files
[05:47] <daniels> (/usr/local isn't ever used by distros, btw)
[05:47] <lamont-live> woot
[05:47] <dustigroove> kakalto, i believe the warty live cd was based off of knoppix and not ubuntu
[05:47] <mcphail> Kakalto: AFAIK the live CD is Ubuntu paint on another distro
[05:47] <Kakalto> lol
[05:47] <pestil> daniels: but app developers don't always make their minds and they put them in *whichever* of those 4 or 5 locations, regardless of your "hierarchy standard"
[05:48] <subterrific> pestil: there is no non-standardness. things controlled by package management go into /usr/bin, etc..., things compiled and installed using gnu autotools by default go into /usr/local
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: app developers use autoconf, which has a prefix, so you can change this sort of thing
[05:48] <Kakalto> I would have thought, to paint a more accurate picture, they would use atleast 3 layers of ubuntu?
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: distributions standardise things, and almost always to /usr
[05:48] <Kakalto> for the livecd :P
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: imagine for a second that everything you installed was in /opt.  imagine how large your $PATH now is.
[05:49] <Kakalto> what is knoppix based on?
[05:49] <mcphail> Kakalto: the install should also setup GRUB properly for you
[05:49] <mcphail> Kakalto: knoppix is debian
[05:49] <pestil> danels: python is in /usr/local here and /usr/local/share is *yet another* location
[05:49] <Kakalto> mcphail, it didn't for my friend, plus I already have grub, I can easily add ubuntu into it
[05:49] <subterrific> pestil: what distro?
[05:49] <Kakalto> oops I meant gnoppix, not knoppix
[05:50] <daniels> pestil: what sort of distribution puts anything in /usr/local?
[05:50] <daniels> pestil: /usr/local is explicitly defined as a space for the user to put stuff under, and any distribution with half a clue will respect that and leave it well alone
[05:50] <daniels> (just like /home)
[05:50] <subterrific> pestil: are you using MacOS X by any chance? with fink?
[05:51] <Kakalto> Does Ubuntu come with NTFS read-support?
[05:51] <subterrific> because if you are, that explains why you're so confused
[05:51] <sgtshatta> daniels: I was able to get around that bug!!
[05:51] <daniels> sgtshatta: how so?
[05:51] <pestil> daniels: you say there have been a lot of discussion on this. I understand that you've seen a few. I guess I've been in other things. Could you perhaps direct me to one of the more intelligent discussions on this? I don't wanna be spreading all through google
[05:51] <sgtshatta> daniels: I manually edit xorg.conf and put in the horiz and vert rates
[05:51] <maximaus> Kakalto, yes, but you have to edit /etc/fstab to mount your ntfs volumes at boottime (easy!)
[05:52] <pestil> daniels: distro here is Ubuntu. ditto Mandrake
[05:52] <Kakalto> maximaus, kewl.
[05:52] <Kakalto> I know about fstab
[05:52] <Kakalto> I had to configure it for gentoo
[05:52] <sgtshatta> daniels: then I restarted my Xserver and voila it worked
[05:52] <daniels> sgtshatta: right ... I'd still love to get the Xorg.0.log from when it was at 640x480 so I can track the bug down and fix it
[05:53] <daniels> pestil: mmm, I can't really find any quickly, sorry
[05:53] <subterrific> pestil: Ubuntu does not install python to /usr/local
[05:53] <pestil> subterrific: sorry, it was Augustux
[05:53] <sgtshatta> daniels: I emailed the file to you about 20 mins ago
[05:53] <Kakalto> Ubuntu won't mind, if it uses teh swap partition I made in the gentoo installation?
[05:53] <daniels> sgtshatta: Xorg.0.log, or xorg.conf?
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: xorg.conf
[05:54] <daniels> need the log
[05:54] <Scooter> Hi everyone, I have a new Favorite Filemanager,,,, Verry lightweight.. look for ROX filer in synaptic... :)
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: ok
[05:54] <pestil> daniels: how do I find my version of gtk?
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: let me do that now
[05:54] <sgtshatta> ok
[05:54] <daniels> (i suspect the answer is 'it's a bug in the nvidia driver' fwiw)
[05:54] <daniels> pestil: dpkg -l libgtk\*
[05:54] <Kakalto> scooter: are you named after the form of transport, or the band, or neither?
[05:55] <Kakalto> *band, music makers, whatever you call them
 I am named after a goofy looking oarnge Muppett :D
[05:55] <Kakalto> :D
[05:55] <Scooter> in america we have a puppett show, called Muppett show... he was a mascott
[05:55] <nestle-iced-tea> what the hells a kakalto
[05:56] <pestil> daniels: thanks
[05:56] <nestle-iced-tea> hey, who can name all the people from MCDONALDS land? I got in a big fight with someone the other day
[05:56] <daniels> Kakalto: no, it will be fine
[05:56] <nestle-iced-tea> theres ronald mcdonald, and the hamburgler
[05:56] <Kakalto> nestle-iced-tea, a light-warrior, for the linux side of teh toast
[05:56] <daniels> nestle-iced-tea: #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[05:56] <Kakalto> err force
[05:58] <Scooter> any XFce users here? in XFce there was a task list program on the task bar, anyone know the name of it? I want to install it for XFce 4.2... TIA :D
[05:58] <pixelmonkey> I have upgraded to Hoary and I think my icons are a bit messed up... folder icons show up in Applications menu as opposed to the icons for each category, and when writing an e-mail in evolution I am missing a bunch of toolbar icons
[06:01] <lanerebel> hey everybody
[06:01] <sgtshatta> daniel: hey I just sent the log file for you!!
[06:01] <pestil> daniels: on a scale of 1 to 10, how risky it is to compile a different version of gtk into Ubuntu than the one currently installed, or available in repositores? Ubuntu tells me I have gtk 2.4.9, and my "experiment" would be a gtk 2.4.3
[06:02] <lanerebel> would anyone mind helping me with an installation problem?
[06:02] <heliolith> hello all.  I heard some negative things about k3b in here yesterday.  Is its stability or reliability an issue?  Do people in here use it?
[06:03] <Scooter> WOOT! nevermind, they call it task manager :D
[06:03] <sgtshatta> heliolith: I use k3b and it works fine under Warty!!
[06:03] <Scooter> I found it :D
[06:03] <Necrosan> pestil: Why would you downgrade GTK?
[06:03] <Necrosan> That's a ridiculous idea.
[06:03] <subterrific> pestil: that isn't risky at all, you'll just get all the bugs that were fixed
[06:03] <bur[n] er> Scooter: run task-manager ??
[06:03] <subterrific> Necrosan: i'd agree, i was going to tell him, on a scale of 0 to 10 the pointlessness would be 10
[06:04] <Necrosan> hehe :)
[06:04] <pestil> Necrosan: I need to install a wacky patch that's only available for that version. I want to know how much I'm risking
[06:04] <chrismurf> in hoary, with the new "Places" Menu - how does one access that menu in nautilus? (ie - applications is applications:///)
[06:04] <Scooter> xfce has a small button on task bar thap pops up a windows like task manager to kill applications
[06:04] <Necrosan> pestil: What are you trying to do? (I can nearly guarantee you can do it another way.)
[06:04] <Scooter> is there something like this for X?
[06:04] <subterrific> pestil: it isn't risky, and are you sure you can't apply the patch to 2.4.9?
[06:04] <bur[n] er> Scooter: i don't have that
[06:04] <lanerebel> my installation keeps locking up after the same amount of time... anyone ever seen that before?
[06:04] <Cam-> anyone know any database projects on linux that resemble Access/Filemaker in its ease of use for form creation etc?
[06:04] <Necrosan> subterrific: manually apply the patch to 2.4.9
[06:04] <lanerebel> I'm trying to install the current warty release
[06:04] <Cam-> and displays of relationships?
[06:05] <Scooter> http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=910  It is the first Download here :)
[06:05] <chrismurf> Cam-: check out the new upcoming release of openoffice.org
[06:05] <Cam-> v2.0?
[06:05] <subterrific> pestil: in 2.4.x changes there are only bug fixes. it would be a lot more risky if you did something like downgrade from 2.4.x to 2.2.x where they'd actually changed APIs
[06:05] <pestil> Necrosan: I'm trying to have shadows in menus, like this http://users.skynet.be/bk221183/menu-shadow.png
[06:05] <chrismurf> Cam-: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20293
[06:06] <Cam-> thank you.
[06:06] <pestil> subterrific: last patch is from 7 months ago http://www.xfce.org/gtkmenu-shadow/
[06:06] <crimsun> occy: pong
[06:07] <bur[n] er> ooh... thanks Scooter, they don' thave that in the os-works repo
[06:07] <chrismurf> So - yeah, anyone know how to access the "Places" menu in nautilus? (for hoary)
[06:07] <Scooter> <bur[n] er> I did not realize it is source code :/ I have no Idea how to use it :D
[06:07] <subterrific> pestil: it still might apply to the 2.4.9 code base
[06:08] <bur[n] er> Scooter: ./configure; make; sudo make install
[06:08] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:08] <bur[n] er> or... to make a deb out of it... ./configure; make; sudo checkinstall
[06:08] <Scooter> ooOOOoo Cool , I try Thankyou :)
[06:08] <daniels> sgtshatta: yeah, it's a bug in the nvidia driver
[06:08] <bur[n] er> (assuming you have checkinstall)
[06:08] <pestil> subterrific: I was going to get the pre-patched whole tarball. So you mean it's not a bad idea to just get the patch?
[06:09] <pestil> subterrific: have you tried or heard anything of that patch before?
[06:09] <heliolith> what's the path to the startbar menu, so I can add a new app?
[06:09] <rellik_> xmms won't run :(  I apt-get'ed it on a fresh ubuntu but it gives this error: "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!"
[06:09] <crimsun> rellik_: sudo aptitude install libmikmod2
[06:09] <subterrific> pestil: if you want to do it the "right" way, it would be to take the ubuntu gtk .src.deb and integrate the patch
[06:10] <rellik_> crimsun, thanks
[06:10] <subterrific> pestil: that way your new libgtk would be under package management, and other packages that depend on libgtk will be installable
[06:10] <pestil> subterrific: ....which would require at least an hour of my time? or is it possible to do such things quickly, without much thought and coding?
[06:10] <crimsun> rellik_: it's a faq here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[06:10] <subterrific> pestil: it would require time yes
[06:10] <wasabi> pestil: apt-get source libgtk2.0-0
[06:11] <occy> crimsun: howdy
[06:12] <pestil> subterrific: there are three choices in the page. The tiny patch only, a tarball versio of the whole gtk, and an RPMed package. Which do you advice best?
[06:12] <occy> crimsun: tag, yer it.
[06:12] <occy> heh
[06:12] <occy> be good gang. ;)
[06:12] <subterrific> pestil: btw, you can get those drop shadows and much more without that hackish patch by using Xorg with xcompmgr
[06:12] <subterrific> pestil: you can use the rpm and run alien on it to convert it to a .deb
[06:13] <pestil> subterrific: are you suggesting that by just applying the patch, I risk breaking other apps that depend on libgtk?
[06:13] <subterrific> pestil: i wouldn't recommend any though :)
[06:13] <pestil> subterrific: never heard of that before? Is that available for Ubuntu? where?
[06:13] <swim> hrmm everytime I startup, my volume is muted, so I have to startup gnome-volume-control and unmute it... can I change this?
[06:14] <subterrific> pestil: no, i'm suggesting that if you uninstall ubuntu's libgtk and put this other one in, you're going to have issues trying to install packages with apt that depend on gtk because apt isn't going to think you have it installed because you removed the package
[06:14] <pestil> oh
[06:14] <subterrific> pestil: yes, apt-get install alien
[06:15] <pestil> subterrific: where can I find more about your suggestion? (the "official" way) Does your way work ok with Ubunut?
[06:15] <swim> can anyone help with that?
[06:15] <pestil> xcompmgr thingie
[06:16] <swim> pestil, is that to me?
[06:16] <subterrific> pestil: if you want to start mucking around with libraries, you should learn about the package management system. the Debian Maintainer Guide explains it i think
[06:16] <pestil> Can that be had through Synaptic? Or does it require special instructions?
[06:16] <subterrific> swim: no
[06:16] <subterrific> swim: it was to me
[06:17] <subterrific> pestil: xorg and xcompmgr are in the next version of Ubuntu (aka Hoary)
[06:17] <subterrific> pestil: and it gives you transparency and drop shadows on windows and menus
[06:17] <pestil> subterrific: I've heard it's not recommended to mix warty and hoary. Meaning I shouldn't upgrade, but instead, go clean to Hoary then?
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: no, meaning you either run hoary or run warty
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: you can upgrade from warty to hoary just fine
[06:18] <pestil> pestil: is my only option (ok, safer option), to go Whorey
[06:18] <pestil> Hoary
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: but hoary isn't done yet, so it isn't as stable as warty
[06:19] <pestil> subterrific: I've heard that Hoary is still a "no no". But to get what I want, you say Hoary is in any case the better way, right?
[06:19] <sladen> subterrific: can you wait 3 months until Hoary is actually released!
[06:20] <subterrific> pestil: it sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with Synaptic, apt-get, and dpkg if you really want to start digging into this stuff and doing things like patching and upgrading libraries
[06:20] <pixelmonkey> what package install applications-all-users.vfolder-info?
[06:21] <subterrific> sladen: nope, i'm already running Hoary :)
[06:21] <swim> hrmm everytime I startup, my volume is muted, so I have to startup gnome-volume-control and unmute it... can I change this?  can anyone help with this?
[06:21] <pestil> subterrific: considering the "warnings" for Hoary all around, what do you think will give me less problems in the end? Going with the unstable (or unfinished) Hoary, or my patch? Again, among these two options, which is safer?
[06:22] <pestil> swim: have you tried doing it from the dialog box? Have you tried saving your session when logging out?
[06:22] <sladen> pestil: sorry.  what's the patch you're wanting to apply?
[06:22] <pestil> http://www.xfce.org/gtkmenu-shadow/
[06:23] <swim> pestil, gnome-volume-control opens the dialog box as far as a I can tell, and I have sessions set to save at every exit
[06:23] <pixelmonkey> anyone here running evolution under Hoary?
[06:24] <pestil> subterrific? sladen?
[06:25] <swim> pixelmonkey, I am, but mine crashes everytime I try to enter an account
[06:25] <pixelmonkey> swim: hmm, okay
[06:25] <pixelmonkey> swim: mine doesn't, but the icons are missing from the mail toolbar
[06:25] <subterrific> pestil: my advice is this: replacing libraries on your system without using package management is never a good idea. the safest thing would be to learn how to do it correctly. there are warnings about hoary because it causes more work for canonical and slows things down when people who don't really know what is going on install it and want support
[06:26] <heliolith> is k3b seems kde designed... it's ubuntu-friendly?
[06:26] <subterrific> pestil: that said, i've had very few problems with hoary, i run it on a machine i use to play games and its also my mail server.
[06:27] <aebcoat> heliolith it runs fine in ubuntu only problem is that you need alot ok kde libraries which you will probably only use for k3b unless you use other kde apps
[06:28] <pestil> subterrific: you convinced me then. Now, this is a pretty recent installation, without many "personalizations". Do you suggest that I upgrade to Hoary by downloading the CD and reinstalling clean, or should I upgrade by going the Synaptic way?
[06:28] <setite> hey can someone help me with firefox
[06:28] <subterrific> pestil: when hoary is released in 3 months, you should be safe upgrading through Synaptic
[06:28] <setite> whenever i click a link from another program... it opens a new firefox window... but firefox is ont he homepage... nto the link
[06:29] <aebcoat> i know how to fix that i think
[06:29] <setite> and how do i stop it from openign a new page... i want things to open in a new tab
[06:29] <pestil> subterrific: in summary, you recommend me that I hold my horses till April. Fair enough
[06:29] <setite> aebcoat you talkign to me?
[06:29] <subterrific> pestil: after all, that is one of the main points of a good package management system. upgrading
[06:29] <aebcoat> ok for the hompepage ting go to desktop/prefrences/preferred apps
[06:30] <aebcoat> look under web browser
[06:30] <aebcoat> yes setite
[06:30] <pigeonflight> anyone planning to enter the ubuntu website look and feel competition?
[06:30] <setite> yea im followign along with you...
[06:30] <aebcoat> what do you have under custom?
[06:31] <setite> i have it linked to the executable of firefox
[06:31] <aebcoat> try this mozilla-firefox %s
[06:31] <heliolith> aebcoat: I'm getting a huge list of icon related errors, plus these: kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header read failed, errno=104nkio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header has invalid size (-1)nkio (KLauncher): ERROR: SlavePool: No communication with slave.nk3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /home/michael/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist.xmlnQMetaObject::findSignal:KListView: Conflict with QListView::doubleClicked(QListVi
[06:31] <pestil> subterrific: thanks for the help. One final question before I leave: Is it normal that I cannot install any themes or extensions in Firefox? I've tried doing the Synaptic firefox upgrade, which is like "1.0 backported to 0.9" or something like that, but I still can't install themes or extensions.
[06:31] <subterrific> pestil: this is what Xorg+composite is able to do: http://www.xfce.org/~olivier/screenshots/compositor.png
[06:32] <pigeonflight> pestil: make sure that you have given permission to the sites you are installing the theme from
[06:32] <Cam-> what package is gnome-panel-screenshot in?
[06:32] <setite> ok now nothign happens when i open a link
[06:32] <subterrific> pestil: i'm not sure :\
[06:32] <pigeonflight> pestil: by default only update.mozilla.org will be allowed to freely add extensions to firefox
[06:32] <aebcoat> do you have firefox in the default location?
[06:33] <setite> nope
[06:33] <pestil> subterrific: nice. It adds shadows to windows too
[06:33] <setite> i dotn know where the default location is
[06:33] <aebcoat> ah ok, just type the pth but put a %s at the end
[06:33] <subterrific> Cam-: dpkg-query -S 'gnome-panel-screenshot'
[06:33] <setite> ok... whats the %s
[06:33] <pestil> pigeonflight: I'm using plain old mozilla firefox official extensions page
[06:34] <aebcoat> that should open you directly to the link if i recall correctly, mine is like that and it works fine
[06:34] <pestil> subterrific, pigeonflight: thanks
[06:34] <pigeonflight> pestil: interesting... in that case I'm not sure... my first thought is diskspace
[06:35] <pestil> pigeonflight: I have 15 GB available, so no
[06:35] <setite> awesome thanks aeb
[06:35] <pigeonflight> subterrific: I came in late... were you saying that we can actually use xorg+composite now in ubuntu?
[06:35] <Cam-> well thats interesting, a package that gnome relies on isnt in the ubuntu repositories
[06:36] <aebcoat> you got it?
[06:36] <Cam-> gnome-panel-screenshot, nor gnome-screenshot :|
[06:36] <setite> one more thing though... when clicking a link within firefox... that opens a new window... how do i force it to open in a new tab instead
[06:36] <subterrific> pigeonflight: no, that it is in hoary
[06:36] <setite> yea that worked
[06:36] <pestil> pigeonflight: this is pretty the stock firefox that comes with ubuntu, plus the synaptic "backport" upgrade.
[06:36] <Cam-> for hoary
[06:36] <Cam-> that is
[06:36] <pigeonflight> pestil: in that case.. I'm really not sure.. I'm using hoary
[06:37] <pigeonflight> subterrific: I'm using hoary
[06:37] <aebcoat> ok setite one sec
[06:37] <setite> k
[06:37] <pestil> pigeonflight: message is "Incompatible Extension> Qute 3 could not be installed because it is not compatible with this version of Firefox. (Quite 3 will only work with Firefox versions from 0.10 to 1)"
[06:37] <subterrific> Cam-: refresh your list? i see gnome-panel-screenshot in gnome-utils
[06:38] <subterrific> pestil: right, and you're running 0.9
[06:38] <pigeonflight> pestil: sounds like you're still running 0.9
[06:38] <subterrific> warty ships with 0.9, thats why
[06:39] <Cam-> ill see
[06:39] <pestil> subterrific: but 0.9 is between 0.1 and 1.0    It should work
[06:39] <pestil> well, thanks anyways
[06:39] <aebcoat> setite go to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Setting_Your_Default_Browser
[06:39] <pestil> bye
[06:39] <subterrific> pestil: 0.10 is greater than 0.9 in version numbers
[06:40] <pigeonflight> pestil: not in version maths :) ... in versions it count like this .8, .9, .10, .11, .100 , 1.0
[06:40] <aebcoat> croll down some for instructions under heading "Linux"
[06:40] <subterrific> the . is a seperator, not a decimal point
[06:40] <subterrific> think of it like - in a phone number, or / in a date
[06:40] <aebcoat> i havent done it personally so im not sure how it works
[06:40] <pestil> pigeonflight: ok, but the message says 0.1, not 0.10
[06:41] <pestil> pigeonflight: no, wait, you're right :p
[06:41] <subterrific> pestil: according to what you just pasted it says 0.10
[06:41] <subterrific> hehe
[06:41] <pestil> pigeonflight: oops
[06:41] <pestil> nevermind :P
[06:41] <pestil> bye then
[06:41] <mako> subterrific: what was puumba upset about?
[06:41] <mako> subterrific: i had trouble telling from the log
[06:42] <Cam-> omg
[06:42] <Cam-> OO v2.0 pre-release comes in rpm
[06:42] <subterrific> mako: he wouldn't say really
[06:42] <mako> subterrific: and does puumba realize that *i* am from the us? :)
[06:42] <mako> subterrific: i guess people from the us might think that saying they take selves too seriously would be offensive.. but c'mon :)
[06:43] <subterrific> mako: i tried asking him why he was offended, but i think that offended him
[06:43] <subterrific> ;)
[06:43] <setite> aeb
[06:43] <setite> thats the same as what you just told me
[06:43] <setite> thats a problem we solved already
[06:43] <subterrific> mako: cause he wouldn't answer, asked why i was asking and then went on about how people don't have to explain their feelings
[06:44] <setite> i need to figure out what setting makes things open into a new tab and not a new window
[06:44] <mako> subterrific: well.. yeah.. hard to be responsive to something you don't know
[06:44] <setite> i dont want a new window ever opening unless i do it manually
[06:44] <subterrific> mako: which he completely didn't understand.
[06:44] <mako> subterrific: i'm happy to go out of my way to try to not offend people. but if i'm not even sure what i could different, it's hard :)
[06:44] <subterrific> mako: i'm from the US also, and i thought it was funny
[06:45] <setite> does anyone know how
[06:45] <setite> someone must know
[06:45] <setite> i mean its annoying as hell
[06:45] <aebcoat> heh
[06:45] <mako> subterrific: it's annoying travling in the americas and not beining able to say "i'm from america" or anything really sane
[06:45] <aebcoat> you look under about:config?
[06:45] <subterrific> mako: i wouldn't worry about it. the guy obviously has some issues
[06:46] <subterrific> mako: just say you're from the "you ess"?
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: well. if puumba shows up again, i can try to talkto him/her :)
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: yeah, i do that or "the states"
[06:46] <pestil> setite: check out about:config
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: or (best) i just say "seattle" or "new york"
[06:46] <pestil> setite: have you tried middle clicking
[06:47] <aebcoat> ah didnt think about that
[06:48] <LucidVisions> my girlfriend got so drunk last night she pissed on her new ibook
[06:48] <zenrox> hahahaha
[06:48] <Necrosan> brb
[06:49] <subterrific> LucidVisions: it wasn't the toilet seat model was it?
[06:49] <LucidVisions> subterrific: haha
[06:49] <subterrific> LucidVisions: cause i can see that being a valid mistake
[06:49] <zenrox> lol
[06:50] <aebcoat> setite try this link http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-131171.html
[06:50] <zenrox> what possed her to piss on a ibook is it cause it sucks
[06:50] <zenrox> hehehehehhehe
[06:50] <freonx> can anyone help me? I just received my ubuntu CDs, and the problem is, I am using my linksys wirless pci adapater, how do I get it to work with ubutntu?
[06:50] <subterrific> LucidVisions: show her this http://www.epinions.com/content_28366638724
[06:50] <LucidVisions> It was giving here problems at school (uni) and she was all mad last night, she was tore up and said "Im so mad at this dam ibook" and started pissing on it
[06:50] <daniels> (#ubuntu-offtopic, please)
[06:51] <LucidVisions> i was laughing so hard i fell of the couch and hit the table,therefore our pints fell onto the floor along the pissed on ibook
[06:51] <LucidVisions> hehe
[06:51] <aebcoat> setite i got it for you
[06:52] <aebcoat> type about:config in firefox adress bar
[06:53] <LucidVisions> so i hope she doesnt go pissing on it after i install yellow dog or somthing faster than osx
[06:54] <bur[n] er> freonx: prolly uses linux-wlan-ng stuff... wlanctl would be the command to use
[06:54] <aebcoat> type the word "tab" in filter and double click on "browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs" so it goes from false to true , then under prefrences their are more options for tabs that should let you do what you want to do
[06:54] <LucidVisions> is there ubuntu ppc?
[06:54] <bur[n] er> LucidVisions: yes
[06:54] <crimsun> LucidVisions: yes there is.
[06:54] <LucidVisions> cool,ill install that for her
[06:55] <freonx> bur[n] er: can you err explain more detailed? cuz i've complete 0 knowledge on this
[06:55] <LucidVisions> i have to somehow wash that ibook off
[06:55] <LucidVisions> wipe with bleach wipes?
[06:55] <swim> does anyone know how to make nautilus open dirs in same window?
[06:56] <aebcoat> yeah
[06:56] <aebcoat> prefrences / file manager /behavior
[06:57] <aebcoat> or not one sec its around their
[06:57] <swim> :)
[06:57] <aebcoat> oh yeah it is , check alwys open in browser windows
[06:58] <Squishy> can anyone here help me with installing ubuntu on a old world powermac?
[06:58] <swim> aebcoat, were talking about the little nautilus right? not the biger browser?
[06:58] <Squishy> having trouble booting into the cd
[06:59] <aebcoat> to open it all in a single window i use the view that has a directory tree
[07:00] <aebcoat> the real slim vie im not sure if you can have it in the same window, i thin if you click with scrool wheel it opens a window and closes the last one
[07:03] <aebcoat> you follow what I mean swim?
[07:07] <setite> thats odd
[07:07] <setite> thanks aeb
[07:07] <setite> just setting the single bla bla to true didnt cut it...
[07:07] <setite> but opening and closing preferences did it
[07:08] <aebcoat> yeah setting it to true enable more options to be changed
[07:08] <setite> yea and when opened preferences i saw the setting... but it was already set to what i wanted... so i just said ok and it worked
[07:08] <aebcoat> guess they didnt want to overwhelm people with so many choices :-) wanted to make you work for it
[07:08] <setite> but it dint work until i opened preferences even though it was already set the way i wanted it to be...
[07:08] <aebcoat> good gladi could help
[07:09] <setite> yea thats why i used opera for so long... firefox made me mad in that regard
[07:09] <aebcoat> heh it probably disregard it if it is set to false
[07:09] <setite> that most of the good settings are not automatica and are hidden
[07:09] <aebcoat> i never really though about it, im sorta stuck back in the internet explorer mentality of no tabs at all
[07:12] <setite> what!!! no tabs
[07:12] <setite> god i cant imagine life without them
[07:12] <aebcoat> heh
[07:12] <setite> it just got annoying have so many windows open... because i cant find anythign else
[07:12] <setite> i cant bring myself to close a webpage
[07:13] <aebcoat> true, when it groups them  in the taskbar it is really inconvenient
[07:14] <setite> indeed
[07:14] <setite> damn this room died
[07:14] <setite> no one having any problems... how odd
[07:14] <aebcoat> heh
[07:15] <aebcoat> where to start :-)
[07:15] <setite> hmmm what should i break...
[07:15] <tritium> Well, I have a small problem.  Strange behavior if I suspend to ram, and then close lid on my Dell C840
[07:15] <sladen> tritium: go ahead
[07:16] <tritium> sladen, Well, it appears to be resuming when I re-open the lid, and then it "shuts off" again.
[07:16] <tritium> And then I have to hit the power button to resume it.  It sometimes just takes a few tries.
[07:16] <rellik_> how come my vlc doesn't have any sound?
[07:17] <aebcoat> rellik do other apps have sound?
[07:17] <rellik_> aebcoat, yes
[07:17] <tritium> Oh, and sladen, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the usplash ideas
[07:17] <aebcoat> ok open up the taskmanager and end process called esd
[07:17] <setite> rellik any other apps open that use sound
[07:17] <sladen> tritium: groovy
[07:18] <setite> only one app at a time uses sound for me
[07:18] <sladen> aebcoat: sound daemon.  shares the sound device
[07:18] <sladen> tritium: groovy
[07:18] <tritium> My suspend-to-ram problems are minor.  suspend-to-disk is working pretty well :)
[07:18] <rellik_> yeah I can't get sound for more than one at a time either...  but that doesn't fix my vlc problem :(
[07:18] <setite> aebcoat whats esd
[07:19] <sladen> tritium: re: the suspend.  mjg59 is the person to pester---can you write your experience up on the HoaryPMResults page?
[07:19] <aebcoat> i have the same proble with mplayer, i have to end esd sometimes and then restart the movie
[07:19] <setite> whats esd
[07:19] <rellik_> could it be because I manually changed /dev/dsp to link to /dev/audio1 ?
[07:19] <tritium> sladen, Yes, I plan to.  I want to do a bit more testing so I can write up something more intelligent.
[07:19] <sladen> aebcoat: esdctl off   and   esdctl on
[07:19] <setite> how hard is it to get linux to let multiple apps share sound
[07:20] <zenrox> setite,  very
[07:20] <jdub> setite: make all your software use esd
[07:20] <jdub> setite: which is how we set things up by default
[07:20] <setite> well what is esd and how do i do that
[07:21] <Stew2> ls
[07:21] <jdub> setite: depends on the app - what are you trying to use?
[07:21] <Stew2> oopes
[07:21] <zenrox> setite,  turn on the esd but turnign on you gnome sounds to enable the server (if it ant runing)
[07:22] <aebcoat> im ay not be much help, im struggling their also , all i know is that sometimes if im playing a mp3 then close it i cant watch a video untill i end the esd process
[07:22] <zenrox> aebcoat,  thats cause your using alsa
[07:22] <zenrox> alsa is beter then esd
[07:22] <setite> ummm well i would like to be able to have xmms open and vlc... and not have to close one before opening the other
[07:23] <zenrox> setite,  xmms if you hit stop it disengaes the sound deamon
[07:23] <zenrox> so vlc can take over
[07:23] <setite> yea but i usually pause...
[07:23] <zenrox> dont pause
[07:24] <zenrox> cause its still using the soundD
[07:24] <setite> i know... but how do i let all the devices use the sound... with that ESD?
[07:24] <zenrox> one of the few anoinces we linux users have to live with
[07:24] <setite> i have to live with it?!
[07:25] <setite> well what abotu when i get my other rig working
[07:25] <setite> and i have the hardware support for it
[07:25] <zenrox> you tell the other app vlc in this case to use esd
[07:25] <zenrox> esd-e sound deamon
[07:25] <setite> ok how do i tell the apps to use it
[07:25] <setite> i dont think anywone explained that yet
[07:25] <zenrox> dont know ant used vlc
[07:25] <zenrox> setite,  look in the options in vlc
[07:26] <zenrox> just like you would with windows
[07:28] <setite> shhh... we must not speak of such things
[07:28] <setite> nah i cant find it
[07:29] <setite> but i told xmms to use ESD
[07:29] <Stew2> GPG error FTP://ftp.nerim.net. From Apt-get update.
[07:29] <Stew2> How do I fix that?
[07:29] <zenrox> good now vlc will use alsa
[07:29] <zenrox> Stew2, using hoary??
[07:29] <Stew2> I was running synaptic and it crashed.
[07:29] <Stew2> zenrox yup.
[07:29] <setite> whoa VLC can use satellite
[07:30] <nestle-iced-tea> Hey.. easy question.. one of my files is owned by root in my /var/www so apache wont let people download it because its forbidden or whatever.. how do i set the permissions on the file?
[07:30] <zenrox> Stew2,  dont know how to fix that but synaptic i just click ok and it continues like nothen happend
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea,  use sudo chmod
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> chmod what though
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea, do a man shmod for how to use it
[07:31] <Stew2> zenrox I can't get the gui up. It kinda was in the middle of doing something.
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> chmod 777 ?
[07:31] <Stew2> I thought I could finish with apt-get from the prompt. I killed the gdm
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> cause i dont know
[07:31] <Stew2> zenrox yo
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea, read the man
[07:32] <setite> ok now VLC is not working
[07:32] <zenrox> Stew2,  you have to edit the source.list file
[07:32] <setite> it wont play the dvd at all
[07:32] <Stew2> zenrox is there a way to recover from the prompt?
[07:32] <Stew2> prompt, shell, whatever it's called.
[07:32] <zenrox> Stew2,  do sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:32] <Stew2> zenrox: is there a way to edit it and tell it to ignore the GPG info?
[07:33] <zenrox> then put a # infount of thoes lines
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox cause it's produc'in this kinda fatal error.
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox just don't get packages from ftp.nerim.net?
[07:33] <zenrox> ya till you can get to your gui
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox I coulda done that on my own.
[07:33] <Stew2> O
[07:33] <Stew2> Thanks
[07:34] <zenrox> you cant tell apt-get to ingnore the erorrs
[07:34] <zenrox> but snyaptic will
[07:34] <zenrox> go figure
[07:35] <aebcoat> setite it give you a error message?
 GPG error FTP://ftp.nerim.net. From Apt-get update.
[07:41] <setite> no message at all
[07:41] <setite> uh oh i found an inferiority in firefox
[07:42] <setite> opera was similar to AOL in that it had its own desktop of sorts... firefox doesn't have that so when a small window pops up it spreads to an entire page... WHY CAN'T I FIND A PERFECT BROWSER!!!!!
[07:42] <aebcoat> i wast sure if starting vlc fro a terminal may give you more info
[07:42] <nestle-iced-tea> i absolutely HATE how you cant select your download path AS YOU GO in firefox
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> thats their stupidest feature ever
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> they give you only the option of "save" or "open".. where 'save' is where you defined previously in OPTIONS
[07:43] <aebcoat> what do you mean as you go, download to a temp file then save to a directory later?
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> i mean you can only download to ONE directory, or open
[07:43] <aebcoat> oh no you can change that
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> nopew
[07:44] <jdub> nestle-iced-tea: eh?
[07:45] <jdub> preferences > downloads > download folder: ask me where to save my file
[07:45] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea,  ya what jdub said
[07:45] <aebcoat> yeah thats what i was thinking also
[07:45] <aebcoat> works for me
[07:49] <pvh> How can I run a second monitor at a different resolution from the first?
[07:49] <pvh> Or, better yet, can someone recommend a good X configuration utility?
[07:52] <Stew2> zenrox What's the command I need to run to reconfigure X and set it up? Apt-get was holding back the xorg x server cause I still had Xfree86 installed.
[07:53] <zenrox> Stew2,  sudo xorgconfig
[07:53] <Stew2> zenrox, okay.
[07:54] <pvh> Hey, that might help with my question too.
[07:54] <pvh> What about this? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:54] <pvh> That was the official advice I found.
[07:54] <zenrox> pvh,  yep that to
[07:55] <pvh> Does Ubuntu install the non-free Nvidia drivers by default, or am I going to have to go add repositories and such?
[07:55] <daniels> pvh: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx
[07:55] <daniels> pvh: not installed by default, but available
[07:55] <daniels> Stew2: XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:56] <pvh> daniels, thanks.
[07:56] <LucidVisions> setite: you can build one, cant be too hard a
[07:56] <pvh> (and zenrox)
[07:56] <Stew2> daniels Huh?
[07:56] <pvh> daniels, could you explain the strange apt-get install command there?
[07:57] <daniels> Stew2: if you run that command, that will reconfigure X for you
[07:57] <Stew2> zenrox : I ran sudo xorgconfig. I only got stuck on the mouse. What's the /dev/mouse in ubuntu?
[07:57] <daniels> pvh: you're installing linux-restricted-modules-X, where X is your currently-running kernel version, and nvidia-glx
[07:57] <daniels> Stew2: don't run xorgconfig, it will generate something that isn't what you want
[07:57] <pvh> daniels, Ah, thank you. What are in the restricted modules?
[07:57] <Stew2> daniels No copy and pasto, friendo. This is my windows xp box. Over there yonder is my linux ubuntu box. I'll type a little at a time. My memory is NO good.
[07:58] <tandy> wow i havent used xfce since the very first version
[07:58] <tandy> and thel atest is awesome
[07:58] <pvh> daniels: Actually, I can probably find that out myself.
[07:58] <daniels> pvh: nvidia, fglrx, atheros, fritz-acm
[07:58] <tandy> i think i cna kiss gnome goodbye lol
[08:00] <pvh> daniels: Thanks. That's great. Restricted is not a particularly clear name for that.
[08:00] <Buuyo^> I've been looking around, and I can't seem to find a way to set up a bridge that obtains one IP address by DHCP, and uses another that's static. I can do it by hand very easily (with a simple br0:1) but getting it to work in the ubuntu/debian way seems troublesome. http://www.pastebin.com/231971
[08:00] <Buuyo^> Yes, that's one network card. I'm just testing it with one atm.
[08:00] <daniels> pvh: it's various non-free modules, and there's nothing else that sums that grouping up
[08:00] <Buuyo^> I'll have a second one in there soon.
[08:00] <pvh> daniels: "nonfree-modules"?
[08:01] <daniels> pvh: linux-some-non-free-video-card-modules-as-well-as-a-wireless-chipset-and-an-isdn-chipset-thingy-too-and-soon-a-winmodem-chipset-modules-2.6.10
[08:01] <pvh> Well said, well said.
[08:01] <daniels> pvh: ubuntu/restricted : ubuntu/main :: debian/non-free : debian/main
[08:01] <pvh> Ahhh, I understand now.
[08:02] <daniels> hence, l-r-m
[08:03] <pvh> Alright, well, if I can get twinview going then my only other task (for tonight) is to try and get Wine working.
[08:03] <pvh> So I'm going to go see how I've done so far.
[08:06] <pvh> That's odd, why do I have xfree86 instead of xorg?
[08:06] <crimsun> pvh: in warty? that's normal.
[08:08] <pvh> crimsun: Ah, I must have found documentation for hoary then?
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> howdy peoples
[08:10] <crimsun> pvh: are you running warty or hoary? :)
[08:10] <geoffj> hi all
[08:12] <geoffj> Does anyone know how to get galeon working with warty?
[08:12] <randabis-laptop> install it? :)
[08:12] <Stew2> daniels at the prompt typing the $ XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo .... will reconfigure X?
[08:12] <pvh> crimsun: Warty. I'm being a bit conservative.
[08:12] <crimsun> pvh: yep, Warty has XFree86. Hoary has X.Org.
[08:13] <pvh> crimsun: The exciting thing abut Ubuntu is the promise that hoary will be stable Soon.
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> just a few more months :)
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> I'm already running it though..already works pretty well
[08:13] <daniels> Stew2: yep
[08:13] <daniels> randabis-laptop: three
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:14] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: was your "install it" comment to me?
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> I suppose...I never tried galeon in warty...it works for me in hoary though
[08:15] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: it once worked for me in warty then I switch to hoary and then I switched back to warty and it doesn't seem to exits anymore :(
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> I'm really glad I was able to figure out how to get 3d acceleration going for my friend on his igp 345m :) it was frustrating at first, but I got it
[08:16] <crimsun> geoffj: 'galeon' does not exist in Warty.
[08:16] <pvh> Okay, time to see if it worked! Back soon.
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> heh that could explain it
[08:16] <geoffj> crimsun: do you know why? it once was avaialble/
[08:16] <crimsun> geoffj: it has never been available in Warty.
[08:17] <crimsun> geoffj: it is in hoary/universe
[08:17] <geoffj> crimsun: wasn't it under universe?
[08:17] <randabis-laptop> how did you switch back to warty by the way? reinstall from the cd right?
[08:17] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: no and yes, one box i regressed but the other I re-installed from cd.
[08:18] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[08:18] <randabis-laptop> I've heard regression = bad
[08:18] <crimsun> well, it's certainly less than trivial to downgrade an entire distro level
[08:18] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: that (this) machine seems as fine as the other
[08:19] <geoffj> crimsun: it took a while and there was a few curly things I had to do.
[08:19] <crimsun> geoffj: it wasn't too bad for me, but I'm fairly comfortable with pinning.
[08:20] <geoffj> crimsun: are you saying you are running galeon from hoary on warty?
[08:20] <crimsun> geoffj: no. I run mozilla-firefox from debian experimental on sid+hoary
[08:21] <geoffj> crimsun: okay, I'll try my luck; I hope galeon's mozilla dependency doesn't bite me.
[08:23] <crimsun> geoffj: if you're able to use it still, you're probably still using quite a few hoary packages
[08:24] <geoffj> crimsun: no, Im using firefox at the moment; my machine is completely warty
[08:25] <crimsun> geoffj: ah, I was about to say, heh.
[08:25] <crimsun> geoffj: galeon is one of those packages that has very strong dependencies on specific versions of mozilla-broswer
[08:25] <crimsun> -browser
[08:26] <geoffj> crimsun: yeah I know, it is a major headache but I find it is the most powerful browser by far, firefox and epiphany don;t come close in usability
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> yeah if you install galeon it needs mozilla-browser too...kinda why I don't use it
[08:27] <crimsun> I really liked Galeon 1,2
[08:28] <geoffj> crimsun: it is still the best; particularly its tab support; if other browsers made better use of tabs I would probably ditch galeon
[08:28] <AlohaWolf> im having an issue with Samaba and APT
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> geoffj: you can make firefox as good as galeon
[08:28] <AlohaWolf> 164934154