[00:01] <rbelem> Riddell, nice!  i already have the kde src cloned. now i just need look the gnome code ;-)
[00:02] <rbelem> thanks a lot Riddell
[00:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[00:03] <rbelem> this task is way exciting then the printer :-)
[00:39] <claydoh> Riddell: will hardy upgrades be supported for lucid?
[00:43] <Riddell> claydoh: not for Kubuntu no
[00:45] <claydoh> Riddell: thanks, I thought not. Should this be mentioned either on the release notes and/or the upgrades page?
[00:49] <Riddell> claydoh: yes it should
[00:50] <claydoh> Riddell: will do
[01:38] <jjesse> is there an RC available for testing?  sry been out of the loop a bit
[01:42] <persia> jjesse: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[01:43] <persia> still some tests available for i386 and one for amd64
[01:44] <Riddell> duplicate tests also welcome, especially where the only tester is me (not good practice if I'm the guy both testing and signing off)
[02:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept kopete-cryptography.  I needs a rebuild to be installable.
[02:16] <Riddell> ScottK: why the change in maintainer?
[02:16] <Riddell> archive reorg I guess
[02:16] <Riddell> accepting
[02:16] <ScottK> Yeah, it was MOTU before and that's supposed to be changed.
[02:16] <ScottK> Thanks
[02:29] <jjesse> is beta2 the latest/greatest or is there a release candidate
[02:30] <jjesse> for doing screenshots/etc off of
[02:54] <ScottK> jjesse: Release Candidate
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: avogadro built (great job on that), but it's still not installable.  It depends on a non-existing python2.6-sip4.
[02:55] <ScottK> I think if it did dh_sip it would depend on python2.6-sip and sip-api-7.0
[03:07] <jjesse> ScottK where do i find this release candidate?
[03:08] <ScottK> cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/current (or something like that)
[03:08] <jjesse> ah was looking at releases
[03:12] <ScottK> It'll be there after the RC is out
[03:12] <ScottK> Now it's what we're testing.
[03:12] <ScottK> The chances of a change that will afect screen shots are nil, however.
[03:12] <jjesse> awesome hotel internet, 4.6kb/sec
[04:01] <ScottK> Nice.
[05:04] <ScottK> debfx: Do you know which KDE component this affects?
[05:05] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/539477
[05:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: libinfinity, libqinfiinity, kobby, and gobby-infinote
[06:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: turns out there were intentional dependencies on python{pyver}-qt4 and python{pyver}-sip4
[06:05] <JontheEchidna> I've removed those and put in dh_sip for good measure
[06:05] <ScottK> Excellent.
[06:06]  * ScottK looks in the queue
[06:06] <JontheEchidna> uploading right now, so it should be in queue in a bit
[06:06]  * ScottK will look in the morning then.
[06:06]  * ScottK was just about to crash.
[06:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm going to bed too
[08:07] <debfx> ScottK: does kde even react to XF86XK_Display?
[08:18] <debfx> ScottK: I don't think it does, at least not by default
[10:05] <Tm_T> where's dantti when you need him...
[10:26] <sabdfl> could it be a colliding PPA's problem?
[10:26] <sabdfl> erk
[10:42] <Tm_T> ...was about to blame martians, not PPA
[10:51] <valorie> martinis, or martians?
[11:00] <Nightrose> both are good for blaming things on no? ;-)
[12:00] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Thanks.  I didn't know.
[12:01] <Tm_T> ScottK: what PPC images needs now testing?
[12:01] <Tm_T> ...I'll try to burn now and test later today
[12:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: What's the answer on this (frim #ubuntu-devel):
[12:01] <ScottK> [05:15:54] <pitti> Riddell, ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt> should knm-runtime stop recommending the vpnc bits?
[12:01] <ScottK> [05:27:47] <pitti> same question about kigo recommending gnugo
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: also we have the problem where network manager disables interfaces but knetworkmanager doesn't have a way to re-enable them
[13:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: I fixed that, looks like the package didn't go in....
[13:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to fix in the second case.....
[13:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: missing feature or bug I'd say...
[13:38] <Tonio_> ScottK: looks at 04/15 changelog...
[13:38] <Tonio_> ScottK: - knm-runtime does not recommend any package (it's the backend...)
[13:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: imho, the components should be suggested by the corresponding kde components...
[13:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: so both network-manager-kde and plasma-widget-networkmanager both suggest them
[13:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: Would you and Riddell please agree on this.
[13:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure
[13:40]  * ScottK is a bit tied up.
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want the vpn plugins installed for everyone ? that's what happened then...
[13:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kep in mind that I splitted the vpn components frmo the knm-runtime for that purpose
[13:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: no they are in universe
[13:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: so that we can install them separetelly
[13:41] <Tonio_> network-manager-openvpn-kde for example
[13:41] <Tonio_> for the same reason there is network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[13:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't this make sense to you ?
[13:42] <Riddell> doesn't what make sense?
[13:43] <Tonio_> not installing all the plugins by default
[13:43] <Riddell> well they're in universe so it's not an option
[13:44] <Tonio_> right, right, sorry I missed that point
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the point having knm-runtime recommending those packages then ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> instead of the frontend you choose suggesting them ?
[13:44] <Riddell> I don't understand why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt claims that knm-runtime recommends network-manager-vpnc, it doesn't
[13:44] <Tonio_> yeah, it doesn't
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it did beofre I handled the package
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it recommended this for a long time
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I then switched to recommending the kde part instead (network-manager-openvpn-kde, which depends on the plugin itself)
[13:45] <sithlord48> i solved the ati driver issue durring upgrade
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: and finally dropped that on 04:14, upload ubuntu4, so now both frontends suggest the plugins
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't get why they claim this either....
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the file supposed to be up to date with the archives ?
[13:49] <Riddell> it should be "Generated: Thu Apr 22 13:36:31 BST 2010
[13:49] <Riddell> but maybe it's stuck on one architecture?
[13:50] <Riddell> sparc!
[13:50] <Riddell> it didn't compile on smelly old sparcd
[13:51] <Tonio_> oh ! well done :)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a sec?
[15:00] <apachelogger> kinda
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i installed 9.10 on a pc and then upgraded to 10.04 beta 2 using the alternate cd,now kpk doesnt install packages,i click on the download and click apply and it just returns to the usual state
[15:01] <shadeslayer> doesnt download packages....
[15:02] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what does pkcon install do?
[15:02] <apachelogger> if you hand it the package as argument ...;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: havent tried that... i just wanted to ask what might be the isseu
[15:03] <apachelogger> polkit maybe
[15:03] <apachelogger> not necessarily though
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did do kpk --install-package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:03] <shadeslayer> it says no such package found \o/
[15:03] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:03] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras lucid
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same thing for vlc as well :(
[15:03] <apachelogger> hm
[15:04] <shadeslayer> apart from that everything worked perfectly :)
[15:04] <shadeslayer> connected to wep networks,etc,etc
[15:04] <genii> Too bad the bot doesn't take a third argument for !info like 32 or 64 etc
[15:04] <shadeslayer> genii: :P
[15:05] <genii> (Well 4th actually since it takes dist/repo )
[15:06] <apachelogger> why would one want to specify 32 or 64?
[15:06] <genii> apachelogger: Well, architecture generally
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh one small thing too,i exported http_proxy and ftp_proxy  in bashrc and tried apt-get update,no luck there either
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, I'd try with pkcon
[15:06] <apachelogger> see what that says
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the exact command?
[15:06] <genii> apachelogger: Because often packages are available for instance on 32bit but not 64bit
[15:06] <apachelogger> pkcon install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need to export the http shiz in /etc/environment
[15:07] <apachelogger> I am not even sure if that works for apt though
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it does work here...
[15:07] <apachelogger> either way it might be best to configure apt for proxy
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: via /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[15:08] <apachelogger> google is your friend I guess
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres alot of confusion on that :)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> each forum suggests something :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> well
[15:09] <apachelogger> askjeeves :P
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[15:09]  * shadeslayer is being wooed over by gnome
[16:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: I think I looked at the kubuntu.org drupal theme the wrong way :(
[16:28] <Riddell> konqueror was crashing and now it's not but I can't open any of the sections (like the one to set the URL or the one to stop it publishing the RC story before it's ment to be)
[17:36] <ofirk> Riddell: is there anything new about the new theme?
[17:36] <Riddell> ofirk: how do you mean?
[17:37] <ofirk> Riddell: yesterday we talked about the theme, and we said that the new theme will run in the mean time on Drupal 5
[17:37] <ofirk> Riddell:  but we wanted a staging site
[17:39] <ofirk> Riddell: the team from canonical isn't available, and we need to have the staging site so we can organize everything for the release day
[18:24] <ScottK> Riddell: The amd64 buildd is about caught up, so nowish wouldn't be a bad time if you wanted to try to get Quassel 0.6.1. in for final (I uploaded it, so I can't review it)
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> debfx: kde bug 234936 seems to be caused by the brightness OSD patch
[18:54] <neversfelde> ScottK: I had a look at plasma-netbook, the file which needs to be patched has changed and I am afraid I would break everything, if I would try to backport this fix.
[19:39] <neversfelde> bulldog98: amarok uploaded to staging https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages
[19:39] <neversfelde> go and find testers :)
[19:42] <bulldog98> is there anyone still using karmic?
[19:45] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  Let's not break the world.
[19:46] <neversfelde> ScottK: probably someone with more experience could do this
[19:46] <ScottK> OK.
[20:17]  * ScottK tried logging into Gnome on Lucid and saw the buttons on the left thing for the first time.  It gave me a headache.
[20:18] <ScottK> The aubergine was pretty, but I still like blue better.
[20:18] <sithlord48> ne one know how to reconfig my sound sever so i can select my speakers as default instead of the headphone jack
[20:23] <sithlord48> ok i found out how to fix it for some reson i have an extra volume item for "speaker" that  only allows me to change its volume only when set to master channel (it does not show in kmix , and thats even under select channels)
[20:29] <debfx> ScottK: could you please apply this patch to the kdebase-workspace package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420625/
[20:30] <debfx> it should fix kde bug 234663
[20:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmm. Do you have JS disabled on www-admin.kubuntu.org?
[20:49] <nookie^> hi guys/girls... what do you think of idea to have brainstorm.kubuntu.org? i think such page could bring alot of good ideas specificly to kubuntu and kde
[20:49] <nookie^> i know there is a section for kubuntu on brainstorm.ubuntu.com but it's not same thing.. it would be better to gather kubuntu users on one place and focus on kubuntu and kde
[20:54] <alvin> There is a brainstorm part in the KDE forums
[20:55] <nookie^> alvin: yeah but it's not same thing
[20:55] <nookie^> it's better to have everything connected on kubuntu page
[20:55] <alvin> How so?
[20:55] <nookie^> ill explain in a sec.. phone call
[20:55] <alvin> Oh, that's true. I guess links should work.
[20:57] <alvin> Too many brainstorm sites, not enough developers. What KDE needs is a step back from new ideas. There already have been more than enough good ones. Then a period of sweet bug fixing. Would make a lot of users happy.
[20:57] <alvin> But I guess that's true for a lot of projects.
[20:57] <nookie^> back
[20:58] <Tm_T> alvin: there's bugfixing period all the time
[20:58] <nookie^> well you have right there... but i think "normal" users would easier connect if they have one page and it's under kubuntu domain
[20:58] <nookie^> it's not same thing to have brainstorms on different page like on kde forums
[20:59] <alvin> Yes, but there's a reason I don't brainstorm. People think of their own priorities first. I would suggest the possibility of importing root certificates in KDE or the addition of an NFS kioslave. Things like that.
[20:59] <nookie^> well... you have right in that point
[20:59] <alvin> We have our bugs in bugs.kde.org instead of launchpad
[20:59] <nookie^> but people can suggest things that could be improved in kubuntu and vote for them
[20:59] <nookie^> it will give alot of new ideas for kubuntu
[21:00] <nookie^> ubuntu has tons of them but hardly any are implemented but it give ideas to developers what people really want
[21:00] <alvin> That need to be developed by KDE devs. Will they look at a Kubuntu site?
[21:00] <Tm_T> alvin: "importing root certificates in KDE" you mean using systemwide root certs?
[21:00] <nookie^> well not everything would be developed by kde devs
[21:00] <alvin> Yes, like KDE3 could
[21:01] <Tm_T> alvin: already do (:)
[21:01] <nookie^> someone can come up with how new installer could look like, how panel is organized etc etc
[21:01] <alvin> For example, when you have your own mailserver and want to use IMAPS (Kolab?)
[21:02] <Tm_T> I mean, atleast KDE 4.5 should use systemwide certs by default
[21:02] <Tm_T> but that might not be what you want
[21:02] <alvin> That's cool, but KDE 4.5 isn't released yet
[21:03] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:03] <alvin> No, just importing your self-made certificates, so Konqueror and Kmail can trust these
[21:03] <Tm_T> ye, hmmm
[21:59] <descendent87> is there a wiki page with brainstorms/ideas for 10.10? Just wanted to have a look at ideas for the next version
[22:07] <neversfelde> nixternal: ping
[22:08] <nixternal> what?
[22:08] <nixternal> hurry?
[22:08] <nixternal> err, that should have been 'hurry!'
[22:08] <nixternal> ;p
[22:08] <nixternal> neversfelde: pongerz
[22:08] <ScottK> debfx: I think it will have to be SRU now.
[22:08] <neversfelde> nixternal: hi, the german translators of the kubuntu docs asked me, if the translations will be in 10.04?
[22:09] <nixternal> yes
[22:09] <neversfelde> great :)
[22:09] <nixternal> need to work on them this weekend and get them in
[22:09] <nixternal> they are at the top of my todo list
[22:09] <neversfelde> they were afraid that they are not included and wanted us to create a ppa package
[22:09] <neversfelde> nixternal: I will forward this, thank you
[22:09] <nixternal> and...we will have point releases after 10.04 is released because people didn't have time to retranslate all of the new stuff in time
[22:09] <ScottK> nixternal: You mean "get them in" as in upload to the archive?
[22:09] <nixternal> yes
[22:10] <nixternal> i have it like that, don't ask
[22:10] <nixternal> if i don't, then oh well, there will be bogus docs in the release
[22:10] <ScottK> Sooner rather than later please.
[22:10] <nixternal> sunday by the latest
[22:10] <ScottK> Might end up an SRU by then, not sure.
[22:12] <nixternal> then nothing else better be uploaded between now and wednesday...docs don't hurt a darn thing, and need to be on the disk, otherwise the first bug report i get about untranslated docs, i quit
[22:12] <nixternal> though, me quitting wouldn't have any effect anyways
[22:12] <nixternal> need to come up with a better threat


[01:30] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:34] <stgraber> hey sbalneav
[01:34] <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
[01:34] <sbalneav> So, when we get to Maine, I'll ply you with beer, and have you teach me more about packaging.
[01:36] <stgraber> sbalneav: no problem :)
[01:36] <stgraber> sbalneav: I'll also have some LDM bugs/improvements to do :)
[01:36] <sbalneav> Yeah, so will I
[01:37] <sbalneav> And I want to spend some time cleaning up the docs some more.
[01:37] <stgraber> yeah, there's work to do there for sure, even if at least on the Ubuntu side it recently improved a lot.
[01:41] <stgraber> sbalneav: btw, http://blog.revolutionlinux.com/en/post/2008/10/28/T-L-2008-%3A-Thin-Client-Lab-Setup
[01:47] <stgraber> I hope I'll be able to bring that server to the Hackfest but we may be a bit short to get it back from Seattle in time
[01:49] <stgraber> CoreQuad is really good to generate squashfs images :)
[02:07] <Ahmuck> what is italc?
[02:08] <stgraber> a classroom management tool
[02:08] <Ahmuck> i'm setting up a lab similar this week
[02:08] <Ahmuck> this very similar to what i'm doing so this interests me
[02:08] <stgraber> http://italc.sf.net and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/italc may be good starting points then
[02:09] <Ahmuck> got it
[02:09] <Ahmuck> thx
[02:09] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: were u doing something with "local menus".  i almost understand what your doing, but not positive
[02:10] <Ahmuck> i'm looking at a linksys/cisco gigabyte smart switch, i assume will work well
[02:15] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: No, I beleive that was stgraber
[02:27] <Ahmuck> ah, ok
[02:28] <Ahmuck> stgraber: u were doing something with "local menus" ?
[02:28] <stgraber> yeah, I did some scripts that can generate a "local applications" menu based on what you have installed in your chroot
[02:29] <stgraber> these are currently part of ltsp-cluster and I'll discuss including them (or at least keeping the idea) at LTSP by the sea
[02:29] <Ahmuck> based on the install in chroot?
[02:29] <Ahmuck> i'd like to try them.  individualized menus for each machine?
[02:29] <Ahmuck> or by machine type?
[02:30] <stgraber> it's by chroot, it's not depending on the machine or the machine specification but that may be something we'll want to include in that script soon though
[02:32] <Ahmuck> ok, i don't understand chroot entirely, but can read up on it.  in a mixed thin/fat client environment, i would assume that your local menus can be tailored to thin or fat clients.  in particular, i'd like to remove menu items from the thin client menus such as "hugin", battle of wesnoth, etc.
[02:33] <Ahmuck> :), iTalc = italc
[02:33] <Ahmuck> the cap T threw me
[02:33] <Ahmuck> i've been searching through my notes for the other "italc" software
[02:33] <stgraber> upstream always tell me to write it iTalc, so I just do what Tobias tells me to do :)
[03:38] <Eeyore-Jr> meeting is tomorrow?
[03:38] <stgraber> no
[03:39] <stgraber> next week
[03:39] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, the wiki says every wednesday.  ok, i'll try to sit in next week.  i think i'm on vacation next week
[11:52] <pips1> ogra: is RichEd around? I can help prepping the edubuntu.org site today, but not tomorrow.. :-/
[11:53] <ogra> no idea where RichEd is
[11:53] <ogra> i havent talked to him since he left my house over a week ago
[11:54] <pips1> darn
[11:54] <pips1> you aren't involved in the edubuntu release?
[11:54] <pips1> I mean: are you?
[12:39] <pips1> nubae hi
[12:40] <pips1> Nubae: hi
[12:55] <pips1> David Van Assche ? hello?
[12:56]  * ogra guesses nubae is busy
[12:57] <pips1> right
[12:57] <pips1> today, everbody in ubuntu land is busy :-)
[12:57] <pips1> *everybody
[13:03] <Nubae> hi
[13:03] <Nubae> am around now
[13:03] <Nubae> what's up?
[13:03] <Nubae> was cooking gulasch
[13:04] <Nubae> :D
[13:15] <pips1> Nubae: hi, I'm webmaster of edubuntu.org, I noticed that you have a editor account
[13:16] <pips1> unfortunately, I won't be able to update the site tomorrow for the release and I was hoping to find someone to help out
[13:16] <Nubae> sure
[13:16] <Nubae> run me through it quickly, and ill do it
[13:17] <pips1> we'll need to update the download page and put the release notes up too
[13:17] <Nubae> k
[13:17] <pips1> hold on.. I'm also cooking and I need to check on my food :-)
[13:19] <pips1> Nubae: are you going to be around for 30 min - 40 mins? that way, I could eat.. :-)
[13:20] <pips1> I haven't been able to get in touch with RichEd just now, he is supposed to write the release notes.. so it depends on him as well...
[13:22] <pips1> so basically, we need to update 2 pages
[13:22] <pips1> http://www.edubuntu.org/Download
[13:22] <pips1> and a new release notes, similar to http://www.edubuntu.org/news/8.04-release
[13:27] <Nubae> yeah
[13:27] <Nubae> go eat ;-)
[13:36] <pips1> RichEd: hey!
[13:36] <pips1> I was hoping I'd find you here
[13:36] <RichEd> hi pips
[13:36] <pips1> hi
[13:37] <pips1> how is it going?
[13:37] <pips1> Nubae: might be able to help out with updating edubuntu.org tomorrow
[13:38] <Nubae> yup sure thing, at what time?
[13:39] <pips1> normally in the morning, until around lunch time (UTC timezone)
[13:40] <pips1> i believe u r in vienna?
[13:40] <Nubae> right
[13:40] <pips1> im in zurich
[13:40] <Nubae> ah cool, not far
[13:40] <pips1> yep
[13:40] <pips1> :-)
[13:41] <ogra> you could get away from IRC and communicate by putting messages on little paper planes :)
[13:41] <pips1> oops, now I need to take care of my son... change diapers.. it's "papa day" :-)
[13:41] <pips1> ogra: hehe
[13:41] <Nubae> yeah or  2 cans on a long string...
[13:42] <pips1> brb
[13:42]  * Nubae goes check on his Gulash
[13:42] <ogra> Nubae, well, cars and trucks hitting the string might be a bit disturbing :=
[13:42] <Nubae> ah but we have tall mountains here ;-)
[13:42] <ogra> heh
[13:57] <RichEd> Nubae: thanks ... i'll grab you here tomorrow if i need help okay ?
[13:57] <RichEd> pips1: does Nubae have the edit righte he needs ?
[13:59] <pips1> RichEd: he has "editor" rights, lemme double check.. not sure if he can create new pages. It always easier to work on a new page quietly and then simply redirect the url to that new page once it's ready
[14:00] <pips1>  Nubae are you familiar with Drupal? do you know how to change an aliase to a new node?
[14:09] <pips1> RichEd: I notice several new drupal user accounts on edubuntu.org - all unknown to me
[14:10] <pips1> there is 'tirion' with siteadmin rights
[14:10] <pips1> familiar?
[14:10] <pips1> is it https://launchpad.net/~tirion ?
[14:10] <pips1> his name sounds familiar to me..
[14:11] <pips1> Nubae: perhaps you know tirion ^^^ ? he opened the drupal account around the same time as you..
[14:11] <pips1> oops strike that
[14:12] <pips1> tirion got his account 27 weeks ago, you did 2 weeks ago?
[14:17] <pips1> Nubae: are you here? can I quickly talk you through it?
[14:18] <Nubae> yep
[14:18] <pips1> great
[14:18] <pips1> I only have 20-30 mins, then I need to go
[14:19] <pips1> first of all, perhaps I can introduce you to matt nuzum, the ubuntu.com webmaster
[14:19] <Nubae> ok, sorry was preparing my servietten knödel
[14:19] <pips1> just in case you need some expert help :-)
[14:19] <Nubae> I'm here now though, just reading through what u wrote
[14:19] <pips1> ahhh nice
[14:19] <Nubae> ok I know drupal a bit, though worked much more with joomla
[14:19] <pips1> I've been wanting to come to austria for a long time now, just for the fantastic food :-)
[14:20] <pips1> ok, so let me introduce you to matt nuzum
[14:20] <pips1> join us in #ubuntu-website
[14:20] <Nubae> ok
[14:21] <RichEd> pips1: who else is allowed to create accounts ? i thought it was just you and highvolt1ge
[14:26] <pips1> RichEd: no. there are several people with siteadmin rights
[14:27] <pips1> RichEd: MatthewNuzum JordanMantha tirion <-- don't know the last person
[14:33] <RichEd> ta
[14:49] <pips1> RichEd: I talked Nubae through the procedure of updating the download page and the release notes... i also introduced him to matt nuzum on #ubuntu-website
[14:49] <pips1> hope all works well tomorrow. :-)
[14:49] <RichEd> excellent :)
[14:50] <pips1> I'll try to pop in on IRC tomorrow, as soon as i'm done with my work meetings.. but it might be late afternoon
[14:50] <pips1> See you!!
[15:37] <sbalneav> Morning all
[19:37] <Rideh> is there a 8.10 rc1 of edubuntu yet? or is there a pacakge i can apt-get to add edubuntu to the current rc of 8.10?
[19:38] <sbalneav> Should be able to apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[19:39] <ogra> and there should be an iso as well
[19:39]  * ogra didnt test if or how well it works though
[19:39] <Rideh> yea i was hesitant to see if 8.04 edubuntu addon cd worked with 8.10 :D
[19:39] <Rideh> but i guess thats what i have VMware for
[19:41] <Rideh> sbalneav: ty i didnt know what the package name was
[19:46] <sbalneav> NP
[21:25] <mbruell> Hello - I'm trying to install an ltsp server using Hardy, but can't select F4 option on the install.
[21:27] <ogra> mbruell, did you download the right iso ?
[22:10] <mbruell> I downloaded ubuntu 8.04.1 server iso
[22:13] <mbruell> ogra - thanks for your reply  - I need to get going. I'll check back tomorrow. Thanks for any help you might have.
[22:14] <ogra> you need the alternate desktop iso
[22:15] <ogra> not server
[22:15] <mbruell> really? Even if I want to use it as an ltsp *server*?
[22:15] <ogra> yes
[22:15] <ogra> ltsp needs a desktop running on the server where you can log in to
[22:15] <ogra> the server iso doent have any desktop apps
[22:16] <ogra> *doesnt
[22:16] <mbruell> Right - I've discovered that...;-)
[22:16] <mbruell> So, I start with the ltsp desktop client, and will be able to select F4 option for ltsp?
[22:17] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall has a link to the iso ... though yu might probably want to try out 8.10 which will release tomorrow
[22:17] <ogra> the ltsp there has a bunch of improvements
[22:17] <mbruell> Okay - maybe I'll try that. I
[22:17] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20081028/
[22:17] <mbruell> Cool!
[22:17] <mbruell> This is great!
[22:18] <mbruell> do you know about long term support?
[22:18] <ogra> only for 8.04
[22:18] <ogra> since ltsp involves desktop packages, its supported for 3 yers
[22:18] <ogra> *years
[22:18] <mbruell> That's good
[22:18] <ogra> 8.10 is using the normal support cycle of 18months for everything
[22:19] <mbruell> okay - well if it works well, there would be a 9.04 release with long term support, I suppose
[22:20] <ogra> no, LTS releases are only done in a two year frequency
[22:20] <ogra> 10.04 would be the next LTS
[22:20] <mbruell> oh - okay.
[22:21] <mbruell> excellent!
[22:21] <mbruell> Thanks for your help.
[22:21] <ogra> welcome :)
[22:21] <mbruell> I'm downloading the daily build
[22:21] <mbruell> Peace


[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <chiluk>  /o\
[15:02] <infinity> o/
[15:02] <infinity> Ish.

[15:03] <slangasek> infinity: ish? so o⌿ ?
[15:03] <infinity> slangasek: Sounds about right.
[15:03] <pitti> that looks really painful
[15:03] <caribou> o/
[15:03] <slangasek> or ø/
[15:04]  * sil2100 needs to configure mumble on his newish-oldish notebook
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 23 15:04:39 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:04] <slangasek> tdaitx chiluk infinity mwhudson bdmurray sil2100 doko slangasek xnox barry robru cyphermox caribou pitti
[15:05] <slangasek> there, now mwhudson can have channel highlights in the middle of the night so he feels loved ;)
[15:05] <slangasek> tdaitx:
[15:05] <tdaitx> oh no
[15:05]  * tdaitx does not have a prompt status
[15:05] <slangasek> $PS1
[15:05] <slangasek> ok
[15:05] <slangasek> chiluk: ?
[15:06] <chiluk> lp#1592862 - Reviewing and trying to understand Ted Ts'o's comments and the backstory for the existing patches.
[15:06] <chiluk> Other than that, back to non-public things.
[15:06] <chiluk> lp#1565650 - All related it infiniband on ppc64.
[15:06] <chiluk> lp#1592424
[15:06] <chiluk> --done--
[15:06] <infinity>  - SRU and AA work for point release prep
[15:06] <infinity>  - Discussions with kernel team to make sure they're ready for the point releases
[15:06] <infinity>  - Debugging glibc test failures on wily
[15:06] <infinity>  - Helping with kernel module in-archive signing issues
[15:06] <infinity>  - Fixed command-not-found in yakkety and xenial for s390x
[15:06] <infinity>  - Fixed vim python3 integration in yakkety and xenial
[15:06] <infinity> (done)
[15:06] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:07] <bdmurray> that was fast
[15:07] <slangasek> :)
[15:07] <bdmurray> got arm64 retracers running
[15:07] <bdmurray> verified Error Tracker is no longer using assets
[15:07] <bdmurray> switched how ssl_cert and ssl_key are set via mojo
[15:07] <bdmurray> added more logging to retracers (cache, apport version)
[15:07] <slangasek> fast like lightning
[15:07] <bdmurray> added verbose option to retracer charm
[15:07] <bdmurray> resolved upgrade-charm issues in the staging ET
[15:07] <bdmurray> resolved issues with cassandra information being written to local_config, not db_config
[15:07] <bdmurray> applied basenode configuation to charms that were missing it
[15:07] <bdmurray> investigation into and resolution of LP: #1101881
[15:07] <bdmurray> uploaded W and X SRUs for bug 1101881
[15:07] <bdmurray> fixed bug-bot's inconsistent SRU regression comments
[15:07] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:08] <xnox> hello
[15:08] <xnox> somehow got kicked out of the channel
[15:09] <sil2100> Oh, my time?
[15:09] <slangasek> sil2100: yep!
[15:09] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:09] <sil2100> - system-image:
[15:09] <sil2100>   * Proposing and implementing per-device channel redirects
[15:09] <sil2100>   * Wasted a lot of time trying to test everything locally (u-d-m not accepting local SSL cert)
[15:09] <sil2100>   * Released and testing on live system
[15:09] <sil2100> - Continued work on introducing a new project for ubuntu-touch respins
[15:09] <sil2100> - Releasing ubuntu-touch-meta changes for new frameworks
[15:09] <sil2100> - Improved commitlog generation scripts, looked into missing landing info in recent ones
[15:09] <sil2100> - Enabled turbo commitlogs
[15:09] <sil2100> - Prepared a re-spin of the turbo custom tarball to fetch new libertine-scope
[15:09] <sil2100> - Coordinating final landings for OTA-12
[15:09] <sil2100> - Looking into the puritine framework situation
[15:09] <sil2100> - Helping preparing Qt and fontconfig patches for the color-emoji landing
[15:09] <sil2100> (done)
[15:10] <pitti> sil2100: faster commit logs?
[15:10] <sil2100> pitti: for our images, they're now a bit smarter when looking for the bileto landing information
[15:10] <slangasek> doko:
[15:13] <slangasek> slangasek:
[15:13] <slangasek>  * all the sprint things last week!
[15:13] <slangasek>  * short week, swapped Monday for sprint travel
[15:13] <slangasek>  * SRU reviews: docker.io, secureboot, etc
[15:13] <slangasek>  * ongoing work on snappy in Debian
[15:13] <slangasek>  * snappy firstboot experience: discussion and planning
[15:13] <slangasek>  * discussions about snappy os snap mastering
[15:13] <slangasek> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> xnox:
[15:14] <xnox> zua client almost done - will publish it soon
[15:14] <xnox> working on /cache FHS proposal
[15:14] <xnox> working on swapfile proposal
[15:14] <xnox> fixing installer partitioning on FBA
[15:14] <xnox> IPL booting off FBA is being worked on by IBM
[15:14] <xnox> ..
[15:14] <slangasek> barry is off today; robru is off today
[15:14] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:14] <cyphermox> hello!
[15:14] <cyphermox> precise:
[15:14] <cyphermox> - verified efivar & sbsigntool (bug LP: #1574727)
[15:14] <cyphermox> - verified mokutil (bug LP: #1574727)
[15:14] <cyphermox> trusty:
[15:14] <cyphermox> - verified grub-ieee1275 left-over SRU: nvram variable handling (bug LP: #1549064)
[15:14] <cyphermox> yakkety:
[15:14] <cyphermox> - installer work
[15:14] <cyphermox> - reviewed livecd-rootfs MATE fixes
[15:14] <cyphermox> - reviewed ubiquity fixes for mate-settings-daemon loading
[15:15] <cyphermox> ±other stuff:
[15:15] <cyphermox> - Secure Boot SRUs coordination w/ kernel team
[15:15] <cyphermox> - Secure Boot testing
[15:15] <cyphermox> - Defining SB test cases, lots of them.
[15:15] <cyphermox> - shim-signed 1.15: check moksbstate_disabled from /proc/sys/kernel
[15:15] <cyphermox>   - with SRUs to P, T, W, X.
[15:15] <cyphermox> - Tomorrow is a national holiday in Quebec, next Friday is a national holiday in Canada.
[15:15] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:15] <caribou>  Bugfix :
[15:15] <caribou>  - multipathd double-free coredump
[15:15] <caribou>    Tested fix identified by cyphermox.
[15:15] <caribou>    Need SRU : LP: #1535898
[15:15] <caribou> - Tested regression on LP: #1590283 for SRU to apache2-mpm-itk
[15:15] <caribou>    Caused by bug in apache2 &| apache misconfiguration
[15:15] <caribou>    No regression found
[15:15] <caribou> Development work:
[15:15] <caribou>  - Uploaded new makedumpfile 1.6.0-1
[15:15] <caribou> - Ran DEP8 tests for makedumpfile
[15:15] <caribou>    Tests unreliable. Need more investigation
[15:15] <caribou>  - Adding dep8 tests to sosreport to comply with new SRU rules
[15:15] <caribou>  - Meetings
[15:16] <caribou> ☑ Done
[15:16] <pitti> network YAML config:
[15:16] <pitti>  - some more spec refinement, blocked on reviews
[15:16] <pitti>  - teach NM to read from /run/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[15:16] <pitti>  - implement NM rendering for eth and bridges
[15:16] <pitti>  - add code coverage and more tests (practically 100% now), and full system integration test with veths and mac80211hwsim (running as autopkgtset)
[15:16] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:16] <pitti>  - fix apt mirror (ftpmaster.internal) and proxy for LXD armhf runners
[15:16] <pitti>  - treat dist-upgrade failures during setup commands as package error instead of tempfail
[15:16] <pitti>  - lots of maintenance, some cloud failures and still arm64 troubles
[15:16] <pitti>  - discuss arm64 Scalingstack capacity increase with William
[15:16] <pitti> systemd:
[15:16] <pitti>  - fix fsckd autopkgtest regresssion
[15:16] <pitti>  - run upstream QEMU/nspawn integration tests as autopkgtest (for both our Ubuntu uploads and upstream PRs)
[15:16] <pitti>  - add option to disable resolved caching (WIP, blocker for foundations-y-local-resolver)
[15:16] <pitti> distro:
[15:16] <pitti>  - drop remaining initscripts dependencies from the remaining 8 packages, send patches to Debian, upload to Ubuntu, it's now NBS! \o/
[15:16] <pitti>  - merge sysvinit, where we now can drop our massive delta and just not build initscripts at all
[15:16] <pitti>  - merge debhelper
[15:16] <pitti> (end)
[15:16] <tdaitx> Short week: working half-day since Monday (and will continue on half-day mode until July 5th)
[15:16] <tdaitx> = JCK
[15:16] <tdaitx> - Got Jenkins machine and 4 slaves (2 amd64, 1 ppc64el, 1 arm64); all running Trusty (expecting Xenial but oh well...)
[15:16] <tdaitx> - Figuring out how this whole Jenkins + slave + logs + everything else works; planning on how to configure and parameterize the various runs I need
[15:16] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK 8
[15:16] <tdaitx> - Provided OpenJDK ubuntu packages for Yakkety, Xenial, and Wily with LP: #1594393 fix + debdiffs for sponsoring (up for grabs)
[15:16] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:17] <slangasek> pitti: which reviews are you currently blocking on for network yaml?
[15:18] <slangasek> pitti: arm64 scalingstack capacity> what's the outcome of that discussion / next steps?
[15:18] <pitti> slangasek: mostly making sure that lool is fine with the current rev; rharper and smoser gave me some ok on IRC (just didn't add a comment in the doc table)
[15:18] <slangasek> ok
[15:18] <pitti> ok, was going to do that on mumble, but let's do it here
[15:18] <pitti> the box only has 22 cards in the 42 slots, so plenty of space
[15:18] <pitti> and estimation is 4 new carsd
[15:18] <pitti> cards
[15:18] <pitti> for autopkgtesting
[15:19] <infinity> Or... 20? :)
[15:19] <slangasek> tdaitx: trusty> heh.  Is xenial available if you request it?
[15:19] <pitti> I spoke to William, he spoke to James; this is apparently a bit sensitive, but James said the best thing to do would be to file an RT as normally
[15:20] <tdaitx> slangasek: I did request it if it was available, got Trusty, so I am assuming they don't - anyway, I'm looking into lxd setup on Trusty as I have tested my stuff on Xenial's lxd
[15:22] <slangasek> ok weird :)
[15:23] <slangasek> alright, any other questions?
[15:24] <slangasek> seems not
[15:24] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:24] <slangasek> Anything else this week, then?
[15:25] <bdmurray> I'll be out on Friday.
[15:25] <sil2100> I want to be partially out on Friday
[15:25] <sil2100> ;)
[15:25] <slangasek> I'll be in on Friday!
[15:26] <cyphermox> I'll be out on Friday. It's the official Quebec drinking beer holiday.
[15:26] <bdmurray> "the official"? is there only one?
[15:26] <cyphermox> (and I am not kidding, although this isn't how it's called)
[15:26] <slangasek> all the others are non-statutory beer drinking
[15:26] <infinity> Í'll be hanging with a doctor for part of Friday.
[15:26] <cyphermox> all the others are optional beer; may be other stuff.
[15:27] <infinity> But not drinking, sadly.
[15:27] <infinity> And xnox will be having his UK citizenship stripped and getting deported on Friday.
[15:27] <cyphermox> for instance, since next Friday is Canada day, it's also "moving" day for many people, so in a sense, pizza and beer day? ;)
[15:27] <infinity> Busy day for all.
[15:27] <slangasek> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Jean-Baptiste_Day
[15:27] <slangasek> baptism by beer?
[15:28] <cyphermox> we know how to roll.
[15:28] <slangasek> infinity: will xnox have a brunch in a brasserie to celebrate brexit?
[15:29] <infinity> slangasek: I may have misread that as brunch in a brasier.
[15:29] <cyphermox> o.O?
[15:29] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 15:29:52 2016 UTC.
[15:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-06-23-15.04.moin.txt
[15:29] <slangasek> and on that note
[15:30] <bdmurray> pitti: Do you have any arm64 retracers running?
[15:30] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[15:30] <pitti> bdmurray: no, I don't; I guess I should set some up
[15:31]  * pitti made a todo item
[15:31] <bdmurray> pitti: there are very few crashes (a couple a day) ending up in the Error Tracker
[15:31] <infinity> bdmurray: That's because arm64 is almost perfect!
[15:32] <tdaitx> and few brave souls are using it
[15:35] <xnox> infinity, it would be great to have british citizenship stripped. I would claim asylum in canada.
[15:36] <infinity> xnox: We wouldn't let you in.
[15:36] <infinity> xnox: We have a law against high-pitched noises that can disturb the wildlife.
[15:36] <Kilos> lol
[15:36]  * xnox laughs!
[18:03] <Kilos> to remove it


[00:01] <keithzg> [Relic]: There are definitely more paranoid ways, but it sure still works!
[00:01] <genii> !info nwipe
[00:01] <keithzg> How in the world do I flush the dns cache in 16.04
[00:01] <keithzg> Appendum: ?
[00:02] <[Relic]> just doing a basic cleaning on an old disk, should I try to guess/calculate the sector size for efficiency
[00:02] <keithzg> (/etc/init.d/dns-clean doesn't seem to work anymore)
[00:08] <koffeinfriedhof> keithzg: systemctl restart networkmanager / systemd-resolved or whatever yuo are using
[00:22] <keithzg> koffeinfriedhof: ah, systemd-resolved seemed to do it, thanks (I hadn't seen it with "service --status-all" but of course that's me being oldskool, I need to actually know the equivalent for systemd)
[00:32] <koffeinfriedhof> keithzg: systemd-resolved is not enabled by default and you have to modify your nsswitch.conf. So if you do not use it, it should not change anything. Perhaps you could try dnsmasq --clear-on-reload instead?
[01:00] <iresf> does Kubuntu 16.04 support fglrx  ?
[01:00] <iresf> hey everyone
[01:47] <valorie> !fglrx
[01:47] <valorie> iresf: ^^^
[01:48] <valorie> < was at dinner
[01:48] <valorie> afaik, not available on newer installs
[03:07] <D-rex> Kwallet crashes often.  Anyone else experiencing this or know what may be the cause?
[03:07] <D-rex> I can post the log just don't know what log contains the right info
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:06] <Guest87213> kubuntu-ru
[08:06] <Guest87213> #kubuntu-ru
[08:23] <kubuntu_> Hi. How i may go to russian comunity kubuntu?
[08:23] <hateball> !ru | kubuntu_311
[08:24] <kubuntu_311> SPASIBO
[08:24] <kubuntu_311> #ubuntu-ru
[08:24] <kubuntu_311> join #ubuntu-ru
[08:55] <lordievader> The help does have the / infront....
[09:01] <timss> How do I disable Discover, or at least its notification/auto update feature? Can't find anything in system settings or Google, and there are no settings in the application itself it seems.
[09:05] <hateball> timss: rightclick the tray area, it should have some options for which items it shows
[09:21] <timss> hateball: only "show updates" which opens the main interface, and update settings, of which the only settings is a keyboard shortcut to trigger the shortcut
[09:21] <timss> this is kubuntu 16.10 (plasma-discover 5.7.5-0ubuntu2)
[09:23] <hateball> timss: I am talking about settings for the system tray itself
[09:24] <hateball> it should have a long list of stuff, and under "extra objects" there should be a checkbox for Updates
[09:34] <steve-_-1> hi all. question regarding discover: when checking for updates I see this http://imgur.com/a/FAGJD so what is "0 B" supposed to tell me? the download is 0 Bytes?
[09:39] <timss> hateball: that seems to do the trick, thanks
[09:40] <hateball> timss: :)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:34] <steve-_-1> hey BluesKaj do you have any idea how discover is supposed to work? when checking for updates I see this http://imgur.com/a/FAGJD so what is "0 B" supposed to tell me? the download is 0 Bytes?
[12:37] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, i suspect that means the are 0 upgates for those packages or system. I'm old school. I still use apt in the terminal
[12:38] <BluesKaj> updates rather
[12:38] <BluesKaj> 0 meaning none
[12:54] <yocs0000>  Is there anyone who does tethered shooting with digital cameras on ubuntu (or kubuntu)? What do you use for tethered shooting?
[12:56] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: no, that's incorrect. all listed items are actually updates
[12:56] <steve-_-1> it's just broken UX imo
[12:57] <steve-_-1> not sure who develops discover
[12:58] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, sorry I don't concern myself with discover, the terminal with apt and dpkg is more reliable
[13:00] <steve-_-1> hm, well it's the "official" UI solution for updates that comes with kubuntu if I understood the concept correctly
[13:00] <hateball> It is. It's just quite broken
[13:01] <BluesKaj> steve-_-1, run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade in the terminal if you want to see which packages are set to be upgraded or installed
[13:01] <steve-_-1> hateball: so would filing a bug help improve the broken software?
[13:01] <steve-_-1> BluesKaj: updates are working, it's just the UI and discover that are broken
[13:02] <hateball> steve-_-1: Well it probably wouldnt hurt. Like BluesKaj I dont use GUI apps to manage packages either so I don't really know if there are already reports on it
[13:03] <steve-_-1> report on kubuntu tracker?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> and you're concerned about that ? then as you commented file a bug, steve-_-1
[13:03] <hateball> steve-_-1: But if you search on Launchpad something should show up, and it not, create a report
[13:03] <hateball> !bug| steve-_-1
[13:03] <steve-_-1> k will do that
[13:03] <steve-_-1> thx
[13:27] <windwalker78> Can somebody suggest a person good in Kernel 2.X patching?
[13:27] <windwalker78> It is a paid job.
[13:27] <windwalker78> Part time.
[13:38] <lordievader> Wow, 2.X, that is old.
[13:42] <windwalker78> Sure. That's why an expert is needed :)
[13:47] <lordievader> Wouldn't it be better to upgrade to a supported kernel? (Like 3.2.84)
[13:56] <windwalker78> This is not possible. We need a specific binary that depends on 2.2 kernel.
[14:10] <lordievader> Ouch
[14:15] <hateball> windwalker78: probably better off asking in ##linux
[14:22] <user|82123> Bonjour je suis francais
[14:54] <windwalker78> hateball: Thank you
[16:32] <pineapplelover_> hello
[16:32] <pineapplelover_> a file called Core appeared in my home folder
[16:32] <pineapplelover_> any idea=?
[16:36] <pineapplelover_> crash dumps
[18:19]  * genii sips
[18:54] <yocs0000> hi everybody! I am experiencing quite  a few crashes here ....
[18:54] <yocs0000> application crashes rather than whole syste crashes .... and apport seems to crash a lot!
[18:58] <Nexhr> help
[18:59] <yocs0000> Nexhr: ask!
[19:00] <acheronuk> !ask
[19:47] <yocs0000> why does kde5 still reuire dolphi4 and konqueror?
[20:22] <user|49420> i need help with the sound, please :(
[22:45] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all. So, first, I'm hoping there's an answer to the question of: "Can I get Konversation to automatically join this channel when I start the program?"
[22:54] <valorie> yes, you can do that LINKSWORD2
[22:54] <valorie> pfff


[13:55] <need_help_> hi
[13:55] <need_help_> hello
[13:56] <need_help_> need some help if it's possible
[13:57] <need_help_> salammmmmmmm
[13:58] <need_help_> hum no one to help us i can see


[19:50] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:50] <ajmitch> morning
[19:55] <snail> i wish this men with odd shaped balls would get done playing
[19:55] <snail> s/this/these/
[19:57]  * ibeardslee wonders what the shape of testicles has to do with anything
[20:13] <ajmitch> snail: it's not like the streets are closed right outside your office, is it?
[20:14] <ajmitch> http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/council-online/webcams/octagon
[20:14] <ajmitch> the building that I'm in is just off the left of the frame
[20:18] <snail> ibeardslee: that's the point, the shape of their balls is about the only thing that hasn't been packaged to advertisers and shoved down our throat every TV ad-break in the last six months
[20:19] <snail> ajmitch: if it were, I'd get some time off
[20:19] <ajmitch> I'm not so lucky :)
[20:20]  * ibeardslee has no tv, so has been 'missing out'
[20:20] <ajmitch> I've got a TV, it hasn't been plugged in for a couple of years
[20:21] <ibeardslee> well actually I do have one, but it's used for DVDs .. reception is shite
[20:21]  * ajmitch reads news online & still can't avoid the RWC
[20:23] <ajmitch> given that we've built a whole new stadium for it which I can see from the office, it's probably a bit hard to avoid it
[20:29] <chilts> morning
[20:29] <chilts> wow, far too much talk for this early in the morning
[20:29]  * chilts hands out slapped wrists
[20:32] <ajmitch> sorry, will shut up now
[20:34] <chilts> nah, it's ok, you can carry on :)
[20:34] <chilts> I was just messin' wit' yer head
[20:35] <ibeardslee> wrists?
[20:51] <chilts> don't you have any? :-p
[21:00] <mwhudson> morning
[22:00] <ajmitch> damn, can't get away from RWC even on planet ubuntu


[17:56] <vaul> Hello, people. Where could I propose a wallpaper to be included in the Maverick?
[17:58] <vaul> In case anyone is interested, it is this wallpaper, which is licensed under CC Attribution 3.0 Unported.
[17:59] <vaul> http://sniperyu.deviantart.com/art/Plain-Grass-111254677
[17:59] <vish> vaul:  http://ubuntu-artists.deviantart.com/blog/33090159/
[18:00] <vish> vaul: there is also : http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/art-in-the-open/
[18:01] <vaul> Thanks, will try now.
[18:01] <vaul> Ubunut just lacks monotoneus not distracting attention wallpapers, as for me.
[23:45] <Legendario> hi. Aren't the ubuntu logos available at the artwork page anymore?
[23:49] <Legendario> hi. Aren't the ubuntu logos available at the artwork page anymore?