[04:58] <mborzecki> morning
[04:58] <zyga> Good morning
[04:59] <zyga> Cold night
[05:06] <mborzecki> zyga: yeah, and hoar frost everywhere :/
[05:55] <mborzecki> hm guess the store is offline atm
[05:55] <mborzecki> hope it's not as bad as it sounds
[05:56] <sparkiegeek> mborzecki: yeah, the store is offline right now, and we're working to get it back online
[05:56] <sparkiegeek> as always, status.snapcraft.io
[05:58] <mborzecki> sparkiegeek: yeah, read the note about hardware failure, ouch
[06:29] <zyga> good luck sparkiegeek
[06:30] <sparkiegeek> zyga: thanks!
[06:33] <zyga> mborzecki: I sent some patches about facts API yesterday
[06:34] <mborzecki> zyga: ack, i'm looking at libsnap-confine-private parts PR
[06:34] <zyga> thanks!
[06:56] <zyga> hey mvo
[07:00] <mvo> zyga: hey, good morning
[07:06] <pstolowski> morning!
[07:12] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[07:14] <mvo> hey pstolowski and mborzecki
[07:26] <mborzecki> silly question, but how do you revert a revert?
[07:28] <pstolowski> mborzecki: refresh?
[07:29] <mborzecki> pstolowski: that would poke the store which is currently down :)
[07:30] <sparkiegeek> mborzecki: we're now stumbling back to life; trying to fend off the advances from all the snapds in the world :)
[07:52]  * zyga does reviews
[07:52] <zyga> mborzecki: you can refresh to a revision you have
[07:52] <zyga> I think that is even offline
[07:53] <zyga> pstolowski: doing hot plug helpers now
[07:54] <pstolowski> zyga: awesome, thanks!
[08:05] <kyrofa> Dang, store is dooown
[08:12] <pstolowski> uh indeed
[08:18] <wgrant> Store read operations are on their way back up
[08:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2296 opened: part grammar processor: lazily capture attributes from plugin <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2296>
[08:18] <wgrant> Just will be sluggish for a while as all the snapds retry.
[08:18] <wgrant> Write operations are a while off yet
[08:19] <kyrofa> wgrant, that's alright, read ops will get my tests passing again
[08:19] <kyrofa> wgrant, sounds like you had a fun night
[08:19] <kyrofa> Er. Day. Never can tell with you
[08:19] <kyrofa> :P
[08:19] <wgrant> For once something actually went wrong during my day
[08:19] <wgrant> I think it's the first time I've ever woken someone up rather than being woken up
[08:19] <kyrofa> Oh how lovely that must have been!
[08:20]  * sparkiegeek is now a full pot of tea in to his woken-from-slumber
[08:20] <zyga> kyrofa: woah, you're up early
[08:20] <kyrofa> zyga, I'm in spain for a week
[08:20] <zyga> ....
[08:20] <zyga> zyga.eyesfulloftears
[08:21] <zyga> have fun :)
[08:21] <zyga> in BCN?
[08:22] <kyrofa> zyga, a bit outside of madrid, a village called manzanares el real. I think I may come back next year with the family for a few months. I love this place
[08:22] <kyrofa> zyga, roscon is in madrid this weekend, so it didn't make sense for me to fly over the atlantic multiple times
[08:23] <zyga> woah, even smaller than the town I was in
[08:23] <zyga> lovely :)
[08:23] <kyrofa> zyga, yeah I was specifically looking for that
[08:23] <sparkiegeek> specifically looking to find where zyga was?
[08:23] <sparkiegeek> zyga: I think you might have a stalker
[08:23] <kyrofa> Yes. Don't be jealous
[08:23] <zyga> that's all right, I love kyrofa :)
[08:23] <kyrofa> Yeah, see?
[08:23] <kyrofa> Back at you zyga
[08:24] <kyrofa> No I just wanted to experience small town spain, grocery shopping, actually living here for a little while. It's been lovely
[08:24] <zyga> kyrofa: careful
[08:25] <zyga> the next thing you say is "oh my god, how many years has it been already?" - except you say that in Spanish to your little Spanish speaking kids :D
[08:25] <zyga> (but then it's all right because it's the best place to live)
[08:25] <kyrofa> Hahahaha
[08:26] <kyrofa> zyga, yeah if we come here for-- I dunno, three months-- maybe my spanish will flourish
[08:26] <zyga> kyrofa: when I stayed for 6 years I was only planning on ... max ... 6 months
[08:26] <kyrofa> Ha!
[08:26] <kyrofa> zyga, explain something to me though, I feel rude asking anyone here
[08:27] <kyrofa> Let me upload a picture first to help my question
[08:28] <Chipaca> ruh-roh
[08:28] <zyga> haha :-)
[08:28] <zyga> right?
[08:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#2297 opened: [legacy] part grammar processor: lazily capture attributes from plugin <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2297>
[08:31] <kyrofa> zyga, alright, got it. This town is small, quiet, and seemingly perfectly safe. Kids out on the street, etc. However, I swear every property resembles this one: https://pasteboard.co/HFEc6pt.jpg
[08:31] <zyga> hmmm
[08:31] <zyga> as in $$$ or as in fort knox?
[08:31] <kyrofa> Everyone's yard is behind a serious wall with a gate
[08:32] <zyga> not sure if that's the same reason
[08:32] <kyrofa> Nah, not all the properties look quite as nice
[08:32] <zyga> on costa brava there were lots of multi-million apartments and houses
[08:32] <zyga> for rich sport stars, actors and business men
[08:32] <zyga> typically behind a tall fence
[08:32] <zyga> so maybe that's that
[08:32] <zyga> just real madrid
[08:33] <zyga> but I don't know for sure
[08:33] <zyga> just ask though
[08:33] <zyga> I'm sure all the locals know
[08:33] <zyga> ask in a grocery store
[08:33] <kyrofa> I dunno, I need to take a pic of the neighborhood I'm in. It really just feels architectural, but there must be some interesting history behind it
[08:33] <Chipaca> kyrofa: one thing to note is that Spain forgot how to make houses
[08:34] <Chipaca> kyrofa: during franco, everything was apartments
[08:34] <zyga> kyrofa: do you speak Spanish?
[08:34]  * zyga realised his earlier question about $$$ _or_ Fort Knox was a bit silly
[08:34] <kyrofa> zyga, I speak enough spanish to explain that I don't speak it
[08:34] <zyga> haha
[08:34] <zyga> well, I hope you do better than I did
[08:34] <zyga> yeah, I'd really just ask
[08:34] <zyga> then translate the answer back
[08:35] <zyga> (tip: kids help)
[08:38] <zyga> hmm, new Vmware !
[08:39] <zyga> shiny goodies
[08:42] <pstolowski> zyga: looking forward to a deal/sale (black friday maybe), let me know if you spot any
[08:42] <Trevinho> sergiusens: hey, but snapcraft changed the default pwd when at build stage?
[08:42] <zyga> pstolowski: yeah, same here
[08:42] <zyga> workstation 15 feels like the bigger win now
[08:42] <zyga> highdpi fixes and what not
[08:43] <zyga> fusion 11 is just "keep on rolling" from what it seems
[08:43] <zyga> but I haven't played with either
[08:43] <zyga> pstolowski: I _barely_ missed the free month update :/
[08:43] <zyga> I got workstation 14 recently
[08:43] <zyga> er
[08:43] <pstolowski> zyga: ouch...
[08:43] <zyga> not barely missed but barely got :/
[08:43] <zyga> (ie. no update)
[08:43] <zyga> very solid product still
[08:45] <zyga> pstolowski: typically Vmware desktop products are 25-30% off nearly all year
[08:45] <zyga> with peak around Black Friday
[08:45] <wgrant> Store read APIs should be stable now
[08:46] <zyga> thank you wgrant! must have been a busy morning
[08:46] <zyga> pstolowski: so my best advice is to just wait
[08:46] <kyrofa> Trevinho, what do you mean?
[08:47] <pstolowski> zyga: yep. the standard price doesn't justify moving away from virtualbox for me, to steep
[08:47] <pstolowski> *too
[08:47] <zyga> pstolowski: yeah, that's understandable
[08:47] <zyga> pstolowski: once you buy it once you can refresh it every few releases
[08:48] <zyga> you can get the lower cost update to 15 from all the way back to 12
[08:50] <zyga> pstolowski: you can also buy it without VAT
[08:50] <zyga> so that's a nice change
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: do you remember the kernel selftest? we have a bit of a challenge to make it work with our testsuite
[08:53] <zyga> yes
[08:53] <zyga> oh? tell me more please
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: when enabling snapd will go into read-only mode on trusty
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: until we reboot
[08:53] <zyga> mmm, yeah
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: we can not reboot in prepare
[08:53] <mborzecki> zyga: if vmware products are 25-30% off all year, why don't they just drop the price? :)
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: but we do install some snaps in prepare
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: so its a bit of a catch-22
[08:54] <zyga> mborzecki: marketing, magic
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: :/
[08:54] <zyga> mvo: can we just make the 14.04 machine prepared with the right kernel?
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: also "funny" because while we need a newer kernel apparently things worked just fine with the stock 14.04 for most of our tests
[08:54] <zyga> mvo: or is that unreasonable for testing?
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: yeah, I think we need to do that
[08:54] <zyga> stock 14.04 kernel doesn't work at all
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: its slightly annoying for people who want to run local spread tests
[08:54] <zyga> are you sure?
[08:54] <mvo> zyga: it does not?
[08:55] <zyga> I'm pretty sure not much works on 3.10 there
[08:55] <mvo> zyga: let me dive deeper, so far I only looked at logs, let me login
[08:55] <zyga> last time I tried apparmor was not playing
[08:55] <zyga> and you would get issues on any operation
[08:55] <zyga> maybe mounting worked but not much more
[08:55] <zyga> mvo: also complex, maybe we should allow re-exec at least
[08:55] <zyga> but ... not sure
[08:55] <zyga> k
[08:55] <mvo> zyga: looking now
[08:56] <mvo> zyga: maybe our version check is just busted
[08:56] <mvo> zyga: anyway, another fun morning puzzle
[09:03] <sergiusens> Trevinho: when in pull, to changes to the part's source, when in build to the part's build dir, when in stage to the stage dir and when in prime to the prime dir. It has always been like this since introducing the override- directive
[09:04] <Trevinho> sergiusens: weird since the tdesktop stopped building for some weeks now as it wasn't find a file it was before in build (with a cp)
[09:06] <sergiusens> Trevinho can I see the snapcraft.yaml?
[09:06] <sergiusens> And how did it break?
[09:07] <Trevinho> sergiusens: failing here https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/dev/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L97
[09:07] <Trevinho> sergiusens: log with some more debugging https://launchpadlibrarian.net/390331135/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_xenial_amd64_tdesktop_BUILDING.txt.gz
[09:07] <Trevinho> (for sure it has always been building)
[09:07] <Trevinho> but I'm fixing the path, it's indeed better to point to the actual src, but...
[09:08] <Trevinho> just curious if something changed
[09:09] <zyga> mborzecki: updated https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5805
[09:09] <mup> PR #5805: cmd/snap-update-ns: enforce trespassing checks <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5805>
[09:09] <kyrofa> Trevinho, are you sure there's a snap/gui? https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/tree/dev/snap
[09:09] <sergiusens> Trevinho your problem lies two lines above.. That relative path worked through an implementation detail
[09:10] <kyrofa> Oh, you make it
[09:10] <kyrofa> Blech
[09:10] <Trevinho> yeah, that's why I whished for years to do a SNAPCRAFT_PART_SOURCE env :)
[09:11] <Trevinho> but too in hurry to do a pr for it
[09:11] <mborzecki> zyga: lgtm, thanks!
[09:12] <mvo> zyga: ok, fun - the kernel test is busted, debugging now
[09:13] <mvo> zyga: so all good, much less of an issue than I expected
[09:14] <kyrofa> Trevinho, SNAPCRAFT_PART_SRC is a thing, but it wouldn't help you in this case, the snap/ dir isn't considered part of the src
[09:15] <Trevinho> yeah sure, but to pull from lib/xdg/*
[09:16] <Trevinho> sergiusens: another thing i wanted to ask, is there something going on for some caching of parts? As in the past I was trying to use travis cache for parts which didn't change, and would be nice to have a mode where snapcraft tries to reuse the parts if they're updates, otherwise it auto-cleans and pull/build/stage the ones which need to. As right  now it gives an error message about what to do, but having something that forces it to clean...
[09:17] <zyga> mvo: oh, version compare wrong?
[09:18] <mvo> zyga: yeah, kernel version is "4.4.0-112-generic" - two "-" are illegal
[09:19] <zyga> oh
[09:19] <mvo> zyga: anyway, fix is easy
[09:19] <zyga> this upsets the compare logic?
[09:19] <mvo> zyga: yeah, its using the debian version compare rules
[09:19] <mvo> zyga: which give "-" a strict meaning
[09:19] <mvo> zyga: but no worries, fix is simple
[09:22] <niemeyer> Mornings
[09:22] <zyga> hey hey
[09:22] <zyga> feeling better?
[09:22] <mvo> niemeyer: good morning!
[09:23] <mvo> niemeyer: oh, I missed that you felt unwell? a cold as well? it seems to be going around :(
[09:24] <pstolowski> niemeyer: o/
[09:24] <kyrofa> Trevinho, not completely clear what you're asking, but perhaps you'd be interested in the "lifecycle" section of these release notes? https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/releases/tag/2.43
[09:26] <zyga> brb, getting more warm tea
[09:38] <Trevinho> kyrofa: oh, yes, that's the one!
[09:38] <Trevinho> kyrofa: that works also when doing `snapcraft prime <part>` and then if some dep on that needs cleanup does it?
[09:40]  * zyga shivers
[09:41] <kyrofa> Trevinho, yes, but it's not magic. It will catch changes made to the files for local parts, but not remote parts. It will clean/re-run steps that you change (e.g. if you alter override-build it knows build needs to run again)
[09:41] <kyrofa> It's also pretty new, we're still tweaking it, but would love for you to give it some mileage
[09:42] <mvo> zyga: I updated 5768, it needs a second review but that should be trivial :)
[09:42] <zyga> ack, I'll look in a sec
[09:43] <mvo> zyga: thanks and no rush, still need to wait for tests
[09:46] <niemeyer> mvo: Sorry, missed your question
[09:47] <niemeyer> mvo: No, I just felt a bit brainwashed after last week :)
[09:57] <zyga> mborzecki: updated, thanks
[09:57] <zyga> mvo: looking now
[09:58] <zyga> mvo: whee,
[09:58] <zyga> something for 2.36?
[10:07] <zyga> unexpected benefit from having macOS tests in travis
[10:07] <zyga> no stupid log by default
[10:08] <zyga> (the one that is super slow to load)
[10:11] <zyga> jdstrand: hey, could you please look at 5395 again?
[10:21] <mborzecki> if a configure hook fiddles with socket serviec files, is there a way to have snapctl trigger systemd reload?
[10:21] <zyga> fiddle?
[10:22] <mborzecki> zyga: yes, say i have socket activated serice and i change the port it listens on
[10:22] <zyga> how can you do that?
[10:23] <mborzecki> zyga: sed -e with socket unit file? i guess it onl works here becase i have no apparmor to stop me
[10:23] <zyga> yeah.
[10:24] <zyga> exactly that
[10:24] <mborzecki> but yeah, say i have socket activated service and want to change something there, there is no way to do that, is there?
[10:24] <zyga> that's correct
[10:30] <mup> PR snapd#5863 opened: overlord/ifacestate: add hotplug slots with implicit slots <Hotplug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5863>
[10:34] <pstolowski> niemeyer: would be great to land the oldest hotplug PRs that need your re-review when you've a moment. stacking up these hotplug PRs is becoming painful
[10:39] <om26er> when is https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/ supposed to get back up ?
[10:39] <zyga> https://status.snapcraft.io/
[10:39] <zyga> it doesn't say
[10:41] <wgrant> No ETA at present, but we're working on it.
[10:42] <niemeyer> pstolowski: Ack
[10:43] <pstolowski> niemeyer: sorry for pushing, let me know when i become annoying ;}
[10:43] <niemeyer> pstolowski: No worries, thanks for pinging
[10:44] <pstolowski> zyga: we don't use glib in snap confine, only in its tests right?
[10:44] <zyga> pstolowski: correct
[10:45] <pstolowski> zyga: allright then :). for a moment i was wondering why did you implement key=val parser if glib has one; makes sense, thanks
[10:45] <zyga> yeah :-)
[10:59] <zyga> brb
[11:05] <mborzecki> hmm tests/main/login failing? i guess the store is not fully up yet
[11:05] <zyga> yeah
[11:06] <pedronis> the developer bits are still down, and login touches those
[11:06]  * zyga dives into propagation settings
[11:09] <Chipaca> mvo: Q: should I just bump the revno of go-flags in vendor?
[11:09] <Chipaca> or however that particular dance went :-)
[11:11] <Chipaca> bah, maybe when the store is happy again :)
[11:13] <mvo> Chipaca: please do and we just try it
[11:14] <pstolowski> zyga: commented on 5861
[11:14] <zyga> looking
[11:15] <Chipaca> mvo: looks like something big breaks; need to dig
[11:15] <Chipaca> mvo: $ snap help
[11:15] <Chipaca> error: unknown command "help", see 'snap help'
[11:15] <Chipaca> :-)
[11:17] <zyga> pstolowski: replied to all, updating
[11:18] <mup> PR snapcraft#2298 opened: requirements.txt: pin click to v6.7 <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2298>
[11:19] <ogra> apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.pi-kiosk.hook.prepare-device" name="/etc/writable/hostname" pid=1942 comm="prepare-device" requested_mask="wc" denied_mask="wc" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[11:19] <Chipaca> mborzecki: FWIW, https://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s03.html says Environments (OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn) are case-sensitive, and https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s03.html says case is significant "everywhere in the file"
[11:21] <ogra> jdstrand, is hostname_control missing write permission to /etc/writable/hostname ? (i have a gadget that tries to set the hostanme in prepare-device but even thgouh the interface is connected i get the above error)
[11:21] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hmm menu spec
[11:21] <Chipaca> mborzecki: that's where OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn are defined (the second is the desktop spec)
[11:22] <Chipaca> second link*
[11:34] <cachio> mvo, hey
[11:35] <cachio> yesterday I saw this with the lxd snap https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XD87JBKzxs/
[11:35] <cachio> if I install/remove lxd snap in beta or stable many times it works properly
[11:36] <cachio> but when I install/remove it with core snap in one channel and then refresh to another channel and install/remove lxd snap it fails removing
[11:36] <cachio> mvo, and it can't be installed anymore
[11:38] <Chipaca> git bisect is awesome sauce
[11:39] <pstolowski|lunch> heading for lunch and also need to take my daughter to the dentist for a small but urgent correction of her braces. hope to make it back for standup
[11:51] <jdstrand> zyga: ok
[11:53] <zyga> pstolowski|lunch: ttyl
[11:53] <zyga> jdstrand: thanks!
[11:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2299 opened: [legacy] requirements.txt: pin click to v6 <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2299>
[11:56] <kyrofa> Chipaca, git bisect is one of the best git features
[11:57] <kyrofa> Especially when it points to someone ELSE's commit
[12:00] <Chipaca> well, in this case I think it points to something that worked for us by accident, but it might indeed be a bug
[12:00] <Chipaca> I need to dig a little more
[12:00] <Chipaca> (the fix if it's on our end is very simple)
[12:10]  * zyga feels like he has fever :/
[12:11] <zyga> I need to put a heater in this room
[12:15] <sergiusens> mvo: hey there, question for you, is core18 production ready to use as a base?
[12:21] <kyrofa> niemeyer, any chance you've done anything about enabling nested kvm on gce for spread?
[12:21] <niemeyer> kyrofa: No, haven't touched htat
[12:21] <kyrofa> niemeyer, we're to the point where we could use it
[12:25] <kyrofa> niemeyer, and when I say "could use" I mean "kinda need"
[12:36] <mup> PR snapd#5680 closed: [RFC] hotplug: handling of simple add/remove scenario <Blocked> <Hotplug> <Created by stolowski> <Closed by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5680>
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#5864 opened: make sure hostnamectl can be used on core too <Created by ogra1> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5864>
[12:45] <mvo> sergiusens: in a meeting, I will get back to you
[12:46] <niemeyer> kyrofa: I don't recall where the conversation stands.. do we have a PR already?
[12:47] <kyrofa> niemeyer, you just need to enable it on gce, it's not spread-specific
[12:47] <niemeyer> kyrofa: Where?
[12:47] <kyrofa> niemeyer, https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/instances/enable-nested-virtualization-vm-instances
[12:48] <zyga> niemeyer, mvo: I'll skip standup
[12:48] <zyga> I feel so-so
[12:48] <zyga> but the real reason is that there's a 20+ movie crew in my house
[12:48] <zyga> shooting an episode of some police para-documentary now
[12:48] <pedronis> heh
[12:48] <zyga> so...
[12:48] <zyga> yeah
[12:49] <zyga> things that happen when you live with parents ;-)
[12:49] <pstolowski> zyga: whaat?
[12:49] <zyga> there's fake police
[12:49] <zyga> and fake gangster
[12:49] <zyga> and fake hostage
[12:49] <zyga> and lights and lots of staff
[12:49] <zyga> and people with makeup
[12:49] <tomwardill> did you take a wrong turn on the way home from the sprint... are you actually in LA?
[12:49] <zyga> and I learned that my dog can bark
[12:49] <ogra> call the real police ... tell them the fake ones hold you back from attenting an important meeting !!!
[12:49] <zyga> he was so stressed about all the people he started barking at them
[12:49] <niemeyer> kyrofa: "You can enable nested virtualization using the API or gcloud component. To enable nested virtualization, you must create a custom image with a special license key that enables VMX in the L1 or host VM instance and then use that image on an instance that meets the restrictions for nested virtualization. The license key does not incur additional charges."
[12:50] <zyga> (normally he doesn't because his jaw was damaged)
[12:50] <niemeyer> kyrofa: I suggest working with cachio on that
[12:50] <zyga> anyway
[12:50] <ogra> zyga, do we hav to call you zygmunt kardashian soon ?
[12:50] <zyga> "action"
[12:50] <zyga> they are shooting now
[12:50] <zyga> well
[12:50] <zyga> the film
[12:50] <zyga> no shots in the scene
[12:50] <sparkiegeek> ogra: we didn't, but now we do.
[12:50] <ogra> haha
[12:51] <ogra> he'll be rich and famous soon ... and give us all his makeup tips !
[12:51] <zyga> tomwardill: in autocratic Poland, movie shoots you ;-)
[12:51] <kyrofa> niemeyer, alright. cachio are you around?
[12:51] <sparkiegeek> ogra: as long as we can skip the semi-nude photos on Instagram, I'm not sure the world is ready for zygdashian
[12:51] <zyga> sparkiegeek: my ass is ready for the photo op
[12:52] <zyga> \o/
[12:52] <zyga> and here I was thinking that getting fever would mean the day is bad
[12:52] <ogra> uhh ooh ... there can be mind-pics that cant be unseen !!!
[12:52] <sparkiegeek> http://www.eyebleach.me/
[12:52] <cwayne> Well that's enough internet for today
[12:52] <niemeyer> kyrofa: You (or someone) will need to understand how those images are really different
[12:52] <zyga> I can also not leave my room now as the door is blocked by their filming equipment
[12:53] <niemeyer> kyrofa: As apparently the magic is in the image contnet, not in the project
[12:53] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: I don't think zyga needs to skimp on clothes to break the internet
[12:53] <kyrofa> ogra, zyga this is all it takes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35mQ29Cj-og
[12:53] <zyga> Chipaca: right? have you seen my patches? :-)
[12:53] <niemeyer> zyga: Ack.. I suggest actually taking the day off if you're not feeling well
[12:53] <zyga> niemeyer: I plan to, as soon as those ... people leave
[12:53] <zyga> and I can actually go upstairs
[12:54] <niemeyer> zyga: Otherwise it's neither here not there and the recovery doesn't work so well
[12:54] <zyga> I need to type more quietly
[12:54] <ogra> kyrofa, lol !
[12:54] <zyga> they are shooting right next to my keyboard
[12:54]  * zyga breaks
[12:54] <zyga> the re-takes are fun to watch
[12:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#2294 closed: snap: workaround the dirty tree <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2294>
[12:55] <zyga> kyrofa: once you know how those magic images work I'd love to know
[12:55] <kyrofa> zyga, haha, I know zero about gce so hopefully cachio does
[12:55] <zyga> kyrofa: (in Yoda's voice) but you will (be)
[12:56] <zyga> ;-)
[12:56] <zyga> ok quiet now
[12:56] <kyrofa> authentic spanish chorizo... ah. Almost as good as mine
[12:56] <Chipaca> kyrofa: tell them the one from a town over is better
[12:56] <Chipaca> kyrofa: that'll go down well
[12:57] <kyrofa> Hahaha
[12:57] <zyga> my daughter will have a surprise once she returns home
[12:57] <zyga> police, cameras, tons of people
[12:57] <sparkiegeek> that won't be intimidating
[12:58] <zyga> I'll tell her that *next* time she needs to do homework!
[12:58] <zyga> login test fails
[12:58] <zyga> another take
[12:58] <kyrofa> zyga, convince them to put fake blood on you and lay on the floor for when she walks in. Too much?
[12:58] <zyga> kyrofa: you'll be a great parent
[12:58] <zyga> ;D
[12:58] <kyrofa> zyga, I dunno, how old is she... maybe she'll be happy?
[12:59] <kyrofa> :P
[12:59] <zyga> 10
[12:59] <kyrofa> Ah, not old enough
[12:59] <zyga> "whee, someone killed daddy"
[12:59] <zyga> :D
[12:59]  * zyga must stop laughing
[12:59] <Chipaca> yeah, it'd have to be on the dog, not the zyga, for it to be bad at that age
[12:59] <sergiusens> you should a will right next to you when you do that
[12:59] <kyrofa> Hahahaha
[12:59] <zyga> I hear handcuffs
[12:59] <zyga> and fighting
[12:59] <kyrofa> "I leave everything to my son"
[13:00] <zyga> (it's a scene where a guy tries to feel the cops)
[13:00] <Chipaca> don't forget to add "but please leave the lab running for Chipaca" to your will
[13:00] <zyga> hahahaha
[13:00] <zyga> :D
[13:00] <zyga> I meant to say flee
[13:01] <zyga> gee, spell checkers are so awkward sometimes
[13:01] <sparkiegeek> who will clear your browser history?
[13:01] <kyrofa> zyga, you're missing an opportunity to get famous. Ask them "does your show have anything to do with the cyber?"
[13:01] <zyga> sparkiegeek: I personally trained my dog
[13:01] <zyga> sparkiegeek: he will eat the computer
[13:01] <zyga> kyrofa: your show would be so much easier to do with snaps
[13:01] <zyga> ;-)
[13:01] <ogra> that did need training ??
[13:01] <zyga> another take
[13:02] <sparkiegeek> last I checked the hollywood snap was broken though :(
[13:02] <tomwardill> volunteering to lend my dog to anyone that needs anything eating
[13:02] <tomwardill> he's got lots of experience
[13:02] <sparkiegeek> tomwardill: did you leave him in the server room this morning?
[13:02] <zyga> ha! busted
[13:03] <zyga> don't pee on the primary replica
[13:03] <sparkiegeek> $ hollywood
[13:03] <sparkiegeek> Illegal instruction (core dumped)
[13:03] <sparkiegeek>
[13:03] <sparkiegeek> yeah, still b0rked
[13:03] <sparkiegeek> kirkland: ^ can haz fix please
[13:03] <zyga> sparkiegeek: which cpu do you have?
[13:03] <sparkiegeek> zyga: core I7
[13:04] <tomwardill> sparkiegeek: there would be a lot more mess to clean up if I'd done that
[13:04] <sparkiegeek> zyga: I reported this to dustin ages ago, but then he quit :)
[13:04] <wgrant> That's about six generations of CPU :P
[13:04] <wgrant> Which microarch?
[13:04] <wgrant> Er nine generations I guess
[13:04] <sparkiegeek> wgrant: well, I'm 90% sure it would fail on all of them; go ahead, try it!
[13:05] <sparkiegeek> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
[13:05] <sparkiegeek> for the record
[13:05]  * tomwardill can't install it due to 503
[13:07] <zyga> sparkiegeek: which gen?
[13:07] <zyga> sparkiegeek: I can try
[13:07] <tomwardill> 4790 is haswell refresh
[13:07] <tomwardill> 4th gen, iirc
[13:07] <zyga> 5 was Broadwell, yeah
[13:07] <zyga> 6 is skylake
[13:08] <sparkiegeek> https://ark.intel.com/products/80807
[13:08] <zyga> I think they will be shooting more scenes in the basement now
[13:08] <zyga> so I _may_ just go to bed
[13:08] <zyga> it crashes on Skylake here
[13:08] <zyga> so boo
[13:08] <zyga> (another take)
[13:08] <sparkiegeek> yeah, it's a bug in the snap :)
[13:12]  * zyga looks at the tests/main/login test
[13:14] <sergiusens> sparkiegeek: zyga hollywood might be broken because it never got to experience the magic of magic of patchelf in a rebuild
[13:14] <zyga> yeah, it crashes in ld.so
[13:14]  * sergiusens is failing to write down all the words that flow through his head
[13:15]  * zyga hugs sergiusens
[13:15] <zyga> don't worry
[13:15] <sergiusens> zyga: it is using plain old python from the archive and is classic, but unpatched
[13:15] <sergiusens> binary patched that is
[13:15]  * zyga nods
[13:18] <zyga> wgrant: store auth is still down
[13:18] <zyga> is that part of dashboard.s.io?
[13:18] <wgrant> yes
[13:18] <wgrant> Well partially
[13:18] <wgrant> User auth is
[13:19] <zyga> error: cannot get snap access permission from store: store server returned
[13:19] <zyga>        status 503 (see 'snap help login')
[13:19] <zyga> right
[13:19] <zyga> ok
[13:26] <sergiusens> zyga: today is a day to reflect and maybe write docs 🙂
[13:34] <mvo> sergiusens: core18 should be fine, its a foundations team question now actually :)
[13:35] <mborzecki> niemeyer: can you take a look at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-refresh-over-metered-connections/5001/39 ? that's snap refresh on metered connections, seems like core devices may be a bit of a problem becuse some end up using systemd-networkd and NM is oblivious to interfaces that are not managed by it
[13:46] <Chipaca> https://github.com/jessevdk/go-flags/issues/275 in case anyone was interested
[14:08] <niemeyer> mborzecki: asked a question there
[14:17] <om26er> popey: ping
[14:17] <popey> om26er: pong
[14:17] <om26er> popey: there is a new update of Android Studio available since Monday but it hasn't hit the snap store, when do snaps auto build ?
[14:18] <popey> ah yes.
[14:18] <popey> 1) when someone with access to build.snapcraft.io logs in and presses the "Manually build" button
[14:18] <popey> 2) Whenever the git repo snapcrafts/android-studio changes
[14:18] <popey> i put a build trigger file in every snapcrafters repo
[14:19] <om26er> ah, I though it checked everyday if a new update is available or something
[14:19] <popey> if anyone creates a PR against that with a date in it, it'll trigger *travis* to test build, which will make sure it builds okay, and if we merge, then build.snapcraft.io will build it
[14:19] <popey> sadly not
[14:19] <om26er> popey: so we need to do a manual build now
[14:19] <popey> ok, wanna do a PR against .build-trigger?
[14:19] <popey> you can do that yourself and travis will start work pretty quickly
[14:20] <om26er> popey: is a PR required ?
[14:20] <om26er> the changes will be automatically pulled
[14:20] <popey> a pr will ensure everyone can see what's going on and it will be recorded as a change rather than ninja a file
[14:20] <popey> i dont mind doing it now if you're busy
[14:21] <om26er> popey: I am not busy but I thought that will actually kill the purpose of auto build
[14:21] <om26er> https://github.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml#L32
[14:21] <popey> Well, there are two things we're doing here
[14:21] <popey> 1) build on each commit, so we can test it builds okay before we hit the store
[14:21] <popey> 2) build once committed so we get a build in edge
[14:21] <popey> travis does #1, build.snapcraft.io does #2
[14:22] <popey> s/commit/pr/
[14:24] <popey> daily builds (I believe) only happen for projects where it's source for the part is a git repo, not a deb or some other dumped package
[14:25] <om26er> popey: https://github.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/pull/35 does it look fine ?
[14:25] <mup> PR snapcrafters/android-studio#35: Release Android Studio 3.2 <Created by om26er> <https://github.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/pull/35>
[14:25] <popey> well it worked, travis is on it :)
[14:25] <sparkiegeek> popey: correct on limitations of daily builds
[14:25] <popey> thanks sparkiegeek :)
[14:26] <mvo> I wonder if we should set the login test to manual until the store is fully back
[14:26] <mvo> this would allow us to land stuff again
[14:27]  * cachio lunch
[14:27] <sparkiegeek> mvo: gimme 5m to update statuses everywhere, we're basically back
[14:27] <mvo> sparkiegeek: yay
[14:28] <ijohnson> popey: since y'all are discussing this, is there anyway to setup LP/B.S.I to run tests against a snap that is built through a trigger? It seems like the only solution is to set up the tests externally on something like Travis as you have done
[14:29] <popey> ijohnson: hiya. The only thing we have discussed recently was some automated testing that cwayne is setting up :)
[14:29]  * popey bats that over the wall
[14:29] <ijohnson> I see, thanks for confirming
[14:30] <popey> om26er: I understand your frustration, I'd like everything autobuilding all the time too :)
[14:30] <popey> om26er: I worked around this with a shell script which checks out projects, ninjas the date into .build-trigger and pushes, which forces a build
[14:31] <popey> when we get security updates I run that script against 50 or so snaps and it goes "wheeeee" building them all :)
[14:31] <tomwardill> please tell me the output is literally 'wheeee'
[14:31] <tomwardill> because do want
[14:31] <om26er> popey: I might write a bot that: 1. checks every day if a new version of Android Studio is available 2. If available, creates a pull request and notifies us through email or sends a push notification to my desktop to look at the PR.
[14:32] <om26er> that way we can ensure our software is always the latest.
[14:32] <popey> tomwardill: actually it prints an emoji "shrug" because it triggers a build and doesn't really know if it worked or not :)
[14:32] <tomwardill> popey: that'll do :)
[14:40] <wgrant> ijohnson: It seems like the sort of feature that snapcraft itself might want to have
[14:40] <wgrant> Rather than LP defining an LP-specific interface for testing a snap
[15:01] <diddledan> snapd translations: where are they? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/weird-error-message-whenever-i-run-the-snap-command/6418/6
[15:02] <diddledan> mvo: you appear to have access to those
[15:02] <ijohnson> wgrant: agreed having a way to specify tests to run inside a snapcraft.yaml that are run as part of snapcraft building a snap would be nice
[15:03] <sparkiegeek> diddledan: replied on the thread, but https://translations.launchpad.net/snappy/trunk for completeness
[15:03] <diddledan> aha, thankyou :-)
[15:05] <mvo> diddledan: I think I do, let me look
[15:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#2298 closed: requirements.txt: pin click to v6 <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2298>
[15:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#2299 closed: [legacy] requirements.txt: pin click to v6 <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2299>
[15:07] <jdstrand> niemeyer: hi! I'm looking at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/interfaces/6154. Is there a way (like there was in the old github wiki) to have links for each particular interface? eg, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/interfaces/6154#dbus or https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/interfaces/6154#desktop
[15:09] <niemeyer> jdstrand: I think each interface (or small groups of interfaces) should be its own document
[15:09] <niemeyer> jdstrand: So that we can go deep into them, without creating a never-ending document which is very tiresome
[15:09] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: diddledan: but I think that's not the right one
[15:09] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: diddledan: the Dutch translation is empty, there
[15:09] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: oh? *shrug*
[15:10] <niemeyer> jdstrand: The main interface page would be just a very shallow summary of what the interfaces do, linking into the detailed doc
[15:10] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: probably findable from there though?
[15:10] <Chipaca> probably, but I'm bad at it
[15:10] <niemeyer> (CC degville)
[15:10] <mvo> diddledan: do you know what language that is?
[15:10] <niemeyer> jdstrand: That was my thinking around the issue at least
[15:11] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Still needs to pass through the real world test
[15:11] <sparkiegeek> looks ~dutch to me
[15:11] <Chipaca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1773174
[15:11] <Chipaca> sigh
[15:11] <mup> Bug #1773174: Dutch lowercase translation warnings <amd64> <apport-bug> <bionic> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773174>
[15:11] <jdstrand> niemeyer: is there a format for the name of the topic you'd like to see? eg, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/dbus-interface/... ?
[15:12] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Yeah, I think we already have a couple there
[15:12] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Content interface?
[15:12] <mvo> sparkiegeek: yeah, I had the same hunch but it seems its mostly untranslated inhttps://translations.launchpad.net/snappy/trunk/+pots/snappy/nl/+translate
[15:12] <jdstrand> that is one
[15:12] <jdstrand> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-content-interface/1074
[15:12] <Chipaca> mvo: it reads like dutch to me. Could be afrikaans.
[15:13] <jdstrand> that has 'the-' prefixed
[15:13] <Chipaca> mvo: but that's also untranslated there
[15:13] <Chipaca> so the translations are coming from somewhere else
[15:13] <Chipaca> we had this same issue before
[15:13] <Chipaca> where the .no translations had the same issue
[15:13] <Chipaca> and it took me a while to find them...
[15:13] <Chipaca> i should've taken notes
[15:14] <popey> om26er: https://travis-ci.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/builds/86015873
[15:14] <popey> <IP_ADDRESS> - look good?
[15:14] <Chipaca> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/+source/snapd/+pots/snappy/nl/+translate
[15:14] <Chipaca> mvo: diddledan: sparkiegeek: ^^
[15:14] <mvo> Chipaca: ta
[15:14] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: right, was about to go look at cosmic :)
[15:15] <diddledan> aha, well found
[15:15] <diddledan> number 169 for the first message
[15:15] <mvo> Chipaca: actually I'm not sure we should enforce this rule on translations about the upper/lower
[15:16] <Chipaca> mvo: why?
[15:16] <mvo> Chipaca: I mean, we basicly have no idea about what rules these langugaes have (at least I don't have any)
[15:16] <sparkiegeek> case doesn't mean the same thing in all languages?
[15:16] <mvo> yeah, exactly
[15:17] <Chipaca> mvo: i'm going to call a bridge-crossed-if-and-when thing
[15:17] <Chipaca> I know some languages uppercase more than English does
[15:17] <jdstrand> niemeyer: thinking of brand store snap decls, they would like links out to descriptions. it probably makes sense for me to do that
[15:17] <Chipaca> I don't know of a language that has cases that uppercases less
[15:17] <mvo> german certainly does :)
[15:17] <mvo> I mean, uppercase a lot more
[15:17] <Chipaca> yep
[15:18] <diddledan> and 143 for the other
[15:18] <Chipaca> and this is 'uppercase because it's the start of a sentence', so I'd expect it to be pretty universal
[15:18] <jdstrand> niemeyer: do you want 'the-dbus-interface' or 'dbus-interface'? or something else less likely for someone to accidentally squat?
[15:18] <jdstrand> eg, snapd-interfaces-dbus
[15:19] <niemeyer> jdstrand: It has to read nicely.. the URL comes from the topic title
[15:19] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Squat is also a non-issue in the forum.. we can always rename
[15:20] <diddledan> mvo, Chipaca, sparkiegeek : I can make the change now I've found them if you'd like me to?
[15:20] <sparkiegeek> diddledan: are you fluent in Dutch?
[15:20] <jdstrand> niemeyer: The <name> interface?
[15:20] <Chipaca> diddledan: go for it
[15:20] <diddledan> no, it'll only be swapping the case of the first letter :-p
[15:20] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Yeah, or "The <concept> interfaces" in some cases
[15:20] <om26er> popey: so whats the next step for https://github.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/pull/35 ?
[15:20] <Chipaca> I'm not fluent, and the little bit I had has rusted to heck
[15:20] <mup> PR snapcrafters/android-studio#35: Release Android Studio 3.2 <Created by om26er> <https://github.com/snapcrafters/android-studio/pull/35>
[15:21] <om26er> Do we just merge it ?
[15:21] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca, diddledan: I think this needs notes for TRANSLATORS so that it can be found before run-time in snapd
[15:21] <mvo> Chipaca: ok, I checked wikipedia and it says that all european languages capitalize the first word
[15:21] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: it should have a TRANSLATORS note already (if not, I'll add it)
[15:21] <niemeyer> jdstrand: But we should sync with degville to see what's his take on the whole sisue
[15:21] <mvo> diddledan: please make the change
[15:21] <diddledan> roger that
[15:21] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/cosmic/+source/snapd/+pots/snappy/nl/143/+translate it does not
[15:22] <jdstrand> niemeyer: degville, can you comment? this is somehting I'd like to have done in the next few weeks
[15:22] <sparkiegeek> at least, not one that LP understands, and it got others :)
[15:22] <Chipaca> sparkiegeek: remind me, what was the original english?
[15:22] <mvo> Chipaca: so I think we are good until these !europeans come and complain :)
[15:22] <sparkiegeek> Chipaca: it's there :)
[15:22] <jdstrand> err, that was for degville only
[15:22] <diddledan> done
[15:22] <jdstrand> niemeyer: the concept idea is fine. is there one otoh that you would like to see as a concept?
[15:22] <Chipaca> mvo: from the code: // note IsLower != !IsUpper for runes with no upper/lower.
[15:23] <jdstrand> or more than one
[15:23] <Chipaca> mvo: so we're covered for a bunch of 'em already :-)
[15:23] <degville> niemeyer, jdstrand: I'm just getting to that part of the docs. We can definitely update the interfaces asap.
[15:23] <diddledan> says it'll be held for review by someone who knows what they're doing :-p
[15:23] <mvo> Chipaca: yay, must have been a smart guy writing this code ;)
[15:23] <Chipaca> nah, i know that person, i think they just have moments of lucidity and then it's all chaos all the time
[15:24] <mvo> thanks diddledan, lets hope this review will happen quickly, if not I guess we need to poke people (i.e. write to the translations team)
[15:24] <mvo> Chipaca: heh
[15:24]  * mvo hugs Chipaca
[15:24] <Chipaca> mvo: as I said in the forum, i'm glad we changed it from a panic :-)
[15:24]  * diddledan prepares a feather quill for the handwritten note to the translations team
[15:24] <Chipaca> mvo: also FWIW this has been going on for Dutch people since at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1773174
[15:24] <mup> Bug #1773174: Dutch lowercase translation warnings <amd64> <apport-bug> <bionic> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773174>
[15:25] <Chipaca> diddledan: in esperanto, right?
[15:25] <diddledan> yeah, it's quite a while for them to have been suffering with it - I guess most folk just ignored it
[15:25] <jdstrand> degville: we've not met. I'm Jamie and I work on interfaces a bit and have written a lot of the text in that page
[15:25] <jdstrand> degville: that started as a wiki page in the github wiki and was migrated over
[15:25] <niemeyer> jdstrand: Not sure of a specific one.. I just half-expect some interfaces to be too simple and boring, which might be good candidates for some small aggregation
[15:25] <jdstrand> (I didn't do the migration)
[15:25] <jdstrand> niemeyer: ack
[15:26] <niemeyer> jdstrand: You've probably half-met last week :)
[15:26] <mvo> Chipaca: hm, thats month :/ oh well
[15:26] <Chipaca> mvo: yeh
[15:26] <jdstrand> degville: are you working on documentation? are you saying this change niemeyer and I discussed is something you would do or you're happy if it happens by someone else sooner
[15:27] <mvo> Chipaca: makes me wonder if we should sync the translations into our git tree, this way we could trivially analyze them
[15:27] <Chipaca> mvo: translations thinks it's syncing them somewhere
[15:27] <diddledan> Chipaca: shall I assign the bug #1773174 about the dutch translations to you and mark it as in progress?
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1773174: Dutch lowercase translation warnings <amd64> <apport-bug> <bionic> <snapd (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773174>
[15:27]  * jdstrand looks in canonical directory and sees that debis a Technical Writer (great!)
[15:27] <Chipaca> but I dunno :-)
[15:27] <Chipaca> mvo: I'd like to get them synced, then other distros could get them easier?
[15:27] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, the upstream translations but those are the distro translations that are not quite right
[15:27] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, that makes a lot of sense
[15:27] <Chipaca> sigh
[15:28] <Chipaca> anyway, I'll add all those TRANSLATOR notes
[15:28] <Chipaca> there's a bunch of 'em :-(
[15:28] <diddledan> joy
[15:28] <diddledan> documentation. who'd bother?! :-p
[15:28] <mvo> diddledan: the url above had "cosmic" in it, the bugreport is about "bionic", so we may need to update it in two place :/ would you be so kind?
[15:28] <diddledan> okie dokie, I'll go do that
[15:29] <popey> om26er: I merge it, it builds, success
[15:29] <om26er> 👍
[15:29] <mvo> diddledan: thank you!
[15:30] <mvo> sparkiegeek: do you happen to know who can approve po/pot in LP these days? we have a pending https://translations.launchpad.net/snapd/trunk/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[15:30] <mvo> sparkiegeek: and a bunch of pos
[15:31] <mvo> sparkiegeek: aiui we could enable translation sharing
[15:31] <sparkiegeek> mvo: I do not
[15:31] <mvo> sparkiegeek: ok, thanks, I will try to find something in the LP help
[15:31] <sparkiegeek> mvo: I assume it's https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators ? but just a guess
[15:31] <mvo> Chipaca: ^- I think with the above (approved translations in LP for snapd upstream) we could enable translation syncs
[15:31] <diddledan> mvo: it looks like they automatically got the suggestions Chipaca and I already added
[15:32] <diddledan> there aren't any translations for xenial or trusty (the list is empty)
[15:32] <mvo> diddledan: great, thanks for double checking
[15:33] <diddledan> oh wow, that pending pot is old
[15:33] <diddledan> back from april?
[15:37] <mvo> niemeyer: hey, do you have access to https://translations.launchpad.net/snapd/trunk/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=all and can click on "approve" on the "needs review" link? it seems I can't but you own the snapd project on LP so you may
[15:38] <niemeyer> mvo: Grayed out here as well: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/D9bETlXs/image.png
[15:40] <mvo> niemeyer: thank you
[15:40] <diddledan> oh dear. who stole the permission bits?! :-p
[15:40] <mvo> niemeyer: I will ask the store for help
[15:40] <mvo> diddledan: heh :)
[15:42] <niemeyer> mvo: We need to decide on the kernel names.. I think the idea of using tracks + limiting tracks displayed depending on what the model says sounds interesting.
[15:42] <niemeyer> mvo: Do we have any new concerns around this, or should we just go ahead?
[15:43] <diddledan> I vote Wilma for one name!
[15:44] <diddledan> what do you mean you want sensible suggestions??
[15:44] <diddledan> pfft
[15:48] <mvo> niemeyer: I think this is good, lets do it
[15:56] <niemeyer> mvo: Cool, replied
[16:04] <Chipaca> diddledan: all (or nearly all) the positional arguments had the right TRANSLATORS note, but none (or nearly none) of the options did :-(
[16:19] <mup> PR snapd#5865 opened: cmd/snap: add a bunch of TRANSLATORS notes (and a little more i18n) <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5865>
[16:19] <Chipaca> mvo: diddledan: ^
[16:29] <diddledan> reviewed :-)
[16:29]  * diddledan requested changes because I'm bossy :-p
[16:31]  * Chipaca deletes the branch and goes off in a huff, takes up farming
[16:31] <diddledan> haha. now _that_ is a quality ragequit
[16:31] <Chipaca> heh
[16:31] <Chipaca> I had a client actually do that, once
[16:32] <Chipaca> still paid his bills, so that was alright, but still
[16:32] <diddledan> yikes
[16:32] <roadmr> a colleague quit his job as a support engineer to take up organic farming, far up north - so he pretty much only works from May to September now
[16:33] <Chipaca> also a friend, a dutch web dev, went off to become a farmer in Jujuy
[16:33] <Chipaca> which was a bit extreme, but he seems a lot happier these days ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:33] <Chipaca> roadmr: see, support people I can understand ragequitting the world
[16:34] <diddledan> jujuy? is that the month that we do deployments from the commandline? :-p
[16:34] <Chipaca> diddledan: https://goo.gl/maps/9jAp64cfVh52
[16:34] <roadmr> reminds me of the "I'd rather shovel pig sh*t" in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[16:34] <diddledan> aha, a placee
[16:35] <diddledan> I figured it was a mistype of "July" :-p
[16:36] <diddledan> I love the emphasis that the tts puts on "web scale"
[16:38] <popey> om26er: released to stable,beta! Thanks!
[16:38] <popey> (I tested it first) :D
[16:38] <om26er> popey: Thanks a lot.
[16:39] <om26er> popey: did you release to beta to help people transition to latest ?
[16:41] <popey> om26er: ah force of habit. For all the other snapcrafters ones the script detects the version in the beta channel to decide when to build the next release
[17:25] <mvo> Chipaca: nice, thank you!
[17:26] <mup> PR snapd#5768 closed: selftest: actually run the kernel version selftest <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5768>
[17:31] <mvo> mborzecki: just fyi (for tomorrow), I updated 5771 with your suggestion
[19:16] <Saviq> hmm what's this about «Connect docker:home to core:home (connection denied by slot rule of interface "home")»?
[19:16] <Saviq> I wanted to give snapped docker access to my home folder to share volumes with, but snapd denies that connection¿?
[19:17] <Chipaca> Saviq: how did you get that error?
[19:20] <Saviq> Chipaca: `snap connect docker:home`
[19:21] <Chipaca> Saviq: does the snap list the home interface?
[19:21] <Saviq> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ShTwKGh5bS/
[19:23] <Chipaca> Saviq: the home interface auto-connects
[19:24] <Saviq> well, yeah, but it's not connected...
[19:24] <Chipaca> that is weird
[19:24] <Saviq> -                          docker:home
[19:24] <Saviq> and:
[19:24] <Saviq>  snap connect docker:home
[19:24] <Saviq> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[19:24] <Saviq> - Connect docker:home to core:home (connection denied by slot rule of interface "home")
[19:25] <Chipaca> ah
[19:25] <Chipaca> Saviq: I'm not sure exactly, so I'd defer to zyga for details
[19:25] <Chipaca> Saviq: but
[19:25] <Chipaca> Saviq: that snap defines its _own_ home
[19:26] <Chipaca> Saviq: it defines docker:home, as opposed to core:home
[19:26] <ijohnson> Saviq: what channel are you on with the docker snap?
[19:26] <Chipaca> Saviq: I'm not at all sure that works the way it's meant to work
[19:26] <Chipaca> Saviq: (i might even have it all wrong -- this is a use i've never seen before)
[19:27] <ijohnson> I imagine this is from https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/auto-connection-for-home-interface-for-docker-snap/7502
[19:32] <ijohnson> I had pushed a revert that undoes the read:all for the docker snap until I can get it approved by the store
[19:36] <ijohnson> Saviq: yes I think I had pushed a revert to edge but hadn't put it on beta yet, I am releasing that now. Sorry for the confusion
[19:38] <Saviq> ijohnson: right, I'm on beta
[19:38] <Saviq> so probably just hit that then
[19:39] <ijohnson> Yes I think so
[19:41] <Saviq> ijohnson: is there a way to avoid `sudo` for all the docker commands?
[19:41] <ijohnson> If you add your user to the docker group, then you shouldn't have to use sudo with docker
[19:42] <Saviq> right, but need to create that group manually
[19:42] <ijohnson> Yes
[19:43] <Saviq> ack thanks!
[19:44] <ijohnson> The reason I was adding the read:all to the home plug was so that if you didn't want to create the docker group and add yourself to it and still use sudo docker, then you could at least build files outside of root's $HOME
[19:44] <ijohnson> But apparently this needs store approval, which I didn't realize (it connected fine locally)


[00:00] <rocka4him> Hey how do I access my USB drive from Xubuntu ?
[00:03] <favro> it should be in places
[00:04] <rocka4him> yeah I did not see it opened on the desktop
[00:04] <rocka4him> newbie mistake lol...
[00:04] <favro> hehe
[01:40] <DarkTan> is there any way to take a xubuntu install and make it in to a live disk? or install it on  diffrent har drive exactly as it is?
[01:47] <ron_o> DarkTan, yes..
[01:48] <ron_o> you can use partimage to make an exact copy.
[01:48] <ron_o> and there are tools out there to make any OS into your own live distro.
[01:49] <ron_o> btw, partimage can be found on knoppix.
[01:50] <ron_o> that and a billion other apps. :)
[01:57] <DarkTan> ok thanks
[01:58] <ron_o> and if your HD is a slave drive "dd" might work too, but I've never used it before.
[01:59] <DarkTan> master on a laptop
[01:59] <DarkTan> old laptop, lots of issues
[02:06] <ron_o> if that's the case them partimage would work great because it's done from a liveCD, and the HD is unmounted. Look into that first.
[02:08] <ron_o> wow, just upgraded to 8.04... sweet. Simply put, superb. No issues at all (except I did a clean install)
[02:10] <DarkTan> no, have lots of issues. took over a week to get it to work, then bios dumped the drive casue it's too big
[02:10] <DarkTan> i'll try parmitage
[02:10] <ron_o> I really screwed up.  :/ My upgrade crashed in a sense.
[02:48] <squarepusher101> greetings
[02:49] <squarepusher101> Need help. Just got a legacy computer. It's a IBM thinkpad 380XD. It's cpu runs @ 233Mhz and it has 64Mb ram. Can Xubuntu be installed? And if so, will it run ok?
[02:52] <ron_o> there's some information on the xubuntu page about that..
[02:52] <ron_o> IMHO, it won't cut it.
[02:53] <ron_o> I mean, not realistically for anything besides a firewall.
[02:53] <ron_o> perhaps try fluxubuntu... or maybe even Puppy Linux.
[02:54] <squarepusher101> With puppy would I be abble to install extra software?
[02:55] <ron_o> right now I've got around 215MB RAM and 1Ghz and it's about as low as I'd like to go (but have gone lower)
[02:55] <ron_o> Puppy has their own software, .pups
[02:55] <ron_o> you can have a persistent drive with it.
[02:55] <ron_o> but for 80MB, it flies for what you get.
[02:56] <ron_o> that's really my problem with Puppy. I love it but not having access to the .deb apps just kills it for me.
[02:56] <ron_o> and puppy uses the 2.4 kernel so it's more likely to run on that machine.
[02:57] <squarepusher101> I see, that's a pitty. Would love to be able to use some network and security test apps
[02:58] <ron_o> check it out, there is a lot of software with it just not like with Debian.
[02:58] <ron_o> and you could create your own .pup's
[02:58] <ron_o> or look into fluxubuntu. That might cut it for you.
[04:33] <zurn>  prefered ubuntu for p2.8m dell laptop (kubuntu / xubuntu / ubuntu) ?
[04:47] <eca> i removed gdm, installed fluxbox, and i get error- /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager corrupt: invalid update mode. fluxbox works fine, menu had to be made but that wasnt hard. this error is reoccurring, any suggestions?
[04:54] <eca> i removed gdm, installed fluxbox, and i get error- /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager corrupt: invalid update mode. fluxbox works fine, menu had to be made but that wasnt hard. this error is reoccurring, any suggestions?
[04:54] <eca> opps sry for double
[04:57] <cody-somerville> Try asking in #fluxbuntu?
[05:53] <nikolam> hi
[05:54] <nikolam> I tried to download beta xubuntu with jigdo-lite
[05:54] <nikolam> I got this message(and xubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso.tmp):  http://paste.ubuntu.com/53659/
[05:55] <nikolam> What shoul I do to get proper *.iso and move on?
[06:01] <cody-somerville> nikolam, you want to download the torrent file, not the iso
[06:08] <nikolam> I was thinking of finaly trying to use jigdo to download, since every time I was downloading New ISO, I was doing it fith http/wget
[06:08] <nikolam> I see now that download with jigdo-lite simply does not work..
[06:09] <nikolam> If I wanted to use torrent file, I ould use transmission for that
[06:10] <cody-somerville> http://www.electrictoolbox.com/how-to-use-jigdo-lite/
[06:14] <nikolam> 10x a lot cody-somerville , i will see to read it, 10x again
[06:21] <nikolam> cody-somerville, : I get message: Found 0 of the 6 files required by the template...
[07:13] <nikolam> *.iso file i Re-checked with Bit torrent after download, does not pass MD5SUM Check!
[07:13] <nikolam> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.10/beta/
[07:14] <nikolam> I is xubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso
[10:10] <vinnl> Hi
[10:11] <vinnl> I've connected a USB device, but it won't automount - what could be the problem?
[10:11] <vinnl> It is detected when I type lsusb
[10:15] <TheSheep> vinnl: is is a mass storage device?
[10:15] <vinnl> TheSheep, an MP3-player, so yeah, I guess so
[10:15] <vinnl> (With flash drive)
[10:16] <TheSheep> some mp3 players use their own protocol, ipods for example
[10:16] <TheSheep> and they cannot be seen as simple usb disks
[10:16] <vinnl> It's a Sansa e260
[10:16] <TheSheep> I have no idea what this is :)
[10:16] <vinnl> (My iPod Nano works fine btw)
[10:16] <vinnl> From Sandisk ;)
[10:19] <vinnl> Hmm, fdisk -l won't list it either
[10:22] <vinnl> \o/
[10:22] <vinnl> Got it :)
[10:26] <TheSheep> what was it?
[10:27] <vinnl> I had to change the USB mode in the device's settings
[10:27] <TheSheep> hah
[10:28] <vinnl> Only now the filesystem's damaged so everything's read-only and I can't copy stuff becaue of I/O-errors... *sigh*
[13:18] <reqqit> Hey people - I did a clean install of ubuntu on my laptop, a 512mb thinkpad I still like, worked fine, but I wanted to try Xubuntu
[13:19] <reqqit> So I did a clean Xubuntu install. On a clean boot, the only difference was 20mb mem free in Xubuntu...
[13:19] <reqqit> I realise the 'light' part also comes from the packaged apps, but really that is something that I can't change :/ I used gedit and I use firefox etc.
[13:20] <reqqit> Are there plans for doing more selective service loading and lazy loading of more things? I have an aspireONE which has 512, it boots in seconds and uses little ram...  is this where xubuntu is heading? or is it more for 'older' machines, not just quick and light?
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I run it on a PII 400 MHz, with 256MB ram.
[13:22] <reqqit> charlie-tca - right, which is great, however if the full ubuntu would clean boot into the same machine with just 20mb more ram... albeit default to use heavier apps
[13:22] <charlie-tca> I can't install Ubuntu, it won't install in 256MB ram
[13:22] <reqqit> Now, I like thunar, from using on the ONE, and nautilus has some narky bugs that really annoy me, but still, the boot cost is still almost the same from my experience...
[13:23] <reqqit> charlie-tca, that is weird... if the boot cost is the same :/\
[13:23] <charlie-tca> Also, it doesn't run on a 400MHz cpu
[13:28] <TheSheep> use alternate cd to install on low-ram machines
[13:30] <charlie-tca> TheSheep: The live CD installs fine in Intrepid. But I still can't run Ubuntu on that
[13:31] <charlie-tca> That's why I use Xubuntu instead
[14:40] <bluej> is there an equivalent to "%f" to pass a file to open in terminal?
[14:40] <bluej> I want to use it in a script to open a text editor
[15:20] <krylyx> i'm new on linux world. i'm liking it a lot. but i work with webdesign and i dont know much softwares. can someone recommend a good software for creating layouts?
[15:21] <vinnl> krylyx, you mean like Photoshop or like Dreamweaver or like...?
[15:22] <krylyx> something like Fireworks, I guess... I know Gimp is equivalent (or not that much) for Photoshop.
[15:22] <vinnl> Gimp is as good as Photoshop for webdesign... Or at least good enough
[15:23] <krylyx> it's very different from what i usually work, but i can try using it more to create stuff :)
[15:23] <vinnl> Hmm... "Adobe Fireworks, known as FW for short, is a bitmap and vector graphics editor"
[15:23] <vinnl> For vector graphics you'd use Inkscape I guess, and Gimp for bitmap
[15:23] <vinnl> krylyx, true, the Gimp takes a lot of getting used to
[15:23] <krylyx> and also, there isn't a flash creator as flash cs3, is it?
[15:23] <krylyx> inkscape?
[15:23] <vinnl> Nope
[15:24] <vinnl> krylyx, Inkscape is a vector graphics editor
[15:24] <krylyx> yep
[15:24] <vinnl> http://www.inkscape.org/
[15:24] <krylyx> ok, i'll download it :)
[15:24] <krylyx> and for making flash, is there an alternative?
[15:24] <vinnl> krylyx, do you know how to install it?
[15:24] <vinnl> krylyx, sorry, no :(
[15:24] <krylyx> or i do need a virtual box? :P
[15:24] <vinnl> You can do that, yes :)
[15:26] <krylyx> but now you mentioned, is there any equivalent to dreamweaver?
[15:26] <krylyx> you've*
[15:27] <vinnl> Nvu is good
[15:27] <krylyx> hum... i usually work with php/javascript/mysql
[15:27] <krylyx> maybe something only with autocomplete and highlight is enough
[15:28] <krylyx> any options though?
[15:29] <vinnl> I use Bluefish for PHP and stuff
[15:29] <vinnl> If you want something really full-features, use Eclipse, but that might be a bit heavy if your computer is not that new
[15:30] <krylyx> it's a laptop. intel core 2 duo 1.5ghz and 2gb ram.
[15:30] <vinnl> Oh that should be able to handle it just fine :)
[15:31] <krylyx> sometimes i don't feel like using something full-featured, i won't use all features anyway... bluefish higlight and autocomplete? :P
[15:32] <vinnl> It does highlight, I'm not sure whether it did autocomplete in the current stable version
[15:32] <vinnl> But there are plenty of good editors, so you'll be able to find one you like ;-)
[15:32] <krylyx> i hope so :)
[15:32] <krylyx> i'll try both you mentioned
[15:32] <krylyx> i think one of them will fit
[15:32] <vinnl> And Applications->System->Add/Remove... is great for finding them ;-)
[15:33] <krylyx> yep, synaptics takes care :)
[15:33] <vinnl> :)
[15:34] <krylyx> but there are so many editors that i prefer to ask people what they use, so I can filter some of them.
[15:34] <vinnl> Hehe, I love Bluefish in that case :)
[15:34] <krylyx> I'll try it ;)
[15:34] <krylyx> and can I ask you a more few questions?
[15:34] <krylyx> i don't want to disturb you also
[15:35] <vinnl> Sure, no problem :)
[15:36] <krylyx> It's because I'm making a list of softwares to download and teste. I've downloaded so many softwares that I think my HD is full of useless dependencies libs.
[15:36] <krylyx> test*
[15:37] <vinnl> Well, if you removed the applications you no longer use and you also want to remove packages it depended on, you can use the command "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[15:39] <krylyx> wow, nice. it removed 23mb :D
[15:40] <vinnl> Wow :P
[15:40] <krylyx> ah! one more thing... i'm learning C and C++, i really don't know any software to program on it.
[15:40] <krylyx> do you know any?
[15:41] <vinnl> Off the top of my head Anjuta comes to mind, but I can't do C or C++ so I wouldn't really know
[15:41] <krylyx> Hmm, nice, I'll take note of it.
[15:42] <krylyx> I guess it's all for now, thank you so much for the help :)
[15:42] <vinnl> You're welcome, good luck :)
[16:05] <nparafe> i chane the resolution with sudo displayconfig-gtk to 1024x768. But when i restart xfce the resolution is 800x600. Can anybody help me to get a walktrough ?
[16:05] <vinnl> !resolution
[16:05] <vinnl> Maybe that helps?
[17:02] <reyrey> has anybody had any issues using an external monitor on xubuntu? mine will not recognzie it?
[17:05] <vinnl> !monitor
[17:05] <vinnl> Hmm...
[17:05] <vinnl> !screen
[17:05] <vinnl> *sigh*
[17:07] <krylyx> my printscreen keyboard button never worked with xubuntu... is there any way for me to review this configuration somewhere?
[17:07] <vinnl> krylyx, you can set a screenshot command to the keyboard shortcut
[17:08] <krylyx> that would be nice, whats the screenshot command? screenshot? :P
[17:08] <vinnl> I'm trying to find it :P
[17:08] <charlie-tca> You could also add the snapshot plugin to the panel
[17:08] <vinnl> Ah, good idea :)
[17:09] <vinnl> Xubuntu doesn't have a screenshot application installed by default except for the plugin
[17:09] <vinnl> You can install gnome-utils for the "gnome-screenshot" command
[17:09] <krylyx> huum
[17:09] <reyrey> ??? i read everywhere that its supposed to be plug and automatically recognized and then the external monitor works.. i don't see any programs on xubuntu that gives you that ability to choose internal monitor or external monitor?
[17:09] <krylyx> got it, i've followed charlie-tca tip, thank you! :)
[17:09] <vinnl> reyrey, I believe "displayconfig-gtk" could do it, but I never did it, so no guarantees
[17:09] <charlie-tca> np :)
[17:10]  * charlie-tca can't believe I got it right
[17:10] <reyrey> vinni i will give it a try thanks i appreciate the suggestion
[17:11] <vinnl> yw
[17:14] <Rhorse> krylyx, screenshot is in the imagemagick suite use import command
[18:57] <krylyx> vinnl, i'm using bluefish but it isn't highlighting. where should i turn it on?
[18:58] <vinnl> Ah, that's right, I remember now: Bluefish highlighting was a tad imperfect, try pressing F5
[18:58] <krylyx> and i discovered that the php plugin for eclipse just work on newer versions of eclipse, and xubuntu doesnt has support to it.
[18:58] <krylyx> hmm i'll try
[18:58] <vinnl> Perhaps you'll need to select the Document Type in Document->Document Type but I think it should autodetect
[18:58] <vinnl> Oh that's odd, I recall having used it ~2 years ago
[18:59] <krylyx> hmm that was it. i needed to select the document type
[18:59] <krylyx> well, thats ok now
[19:00] <krylyx> but thats really odd, i tried the eclipse official site
[19:00] <krylyx> and there is saying something similar
[19:01] <vinnl> krylyx, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[19:01] <vinnl> Ah wait
[19:01] <vinnl> I see
[19:02] <vinnl> Apparently the PHPEclipse 1.2.x series needs a higher version, the 1.1.x series should work fine
[19:02] <vinnl> krylyx, see http://www.phpeclipse.de/wiki/Installation
[19:04] <krylyx> huuum
[19:28] <Grey_Loki> Is there a way (using Compiz+Emerald+XFCE) to reduce the size of the toolbars and 'system' fonts within OpenOffice applications? Currently I have everything else looking nice, but the fonts for 'File, Edit', etc are huge and ugly, as are the ones for font size and format selection.
[19:29] <vinnl> Grey_Loki, you'll have to set that in OO.o's preferences
[19:29]  * Grey_Loki nods - had already set system fonts to 10 instead of 12
[19:29]  * Grey_Loki carries on looking
[19:32] <vinnl> Hmm, I can't find where to set it in OO.o :(
[19:33] <Grey_Loki> Reducing the icon size for some reason seemed to help
[19:33] <Grey_Loki> I'm currently looking for a theme to get rid of that horrible grey
[19:34] <vinnl> Ah, you had to reduce the scale value...
[19:34] <vinnl> Grey_Loki, that's easy :)
[19:35] <Grey_Loki> I could do it myself, but my eye for graphic design is...well, let's just say it isn't exactly 20/20
[19:35] <vinnl> Grey_Loki, just install openoffice.org-gtk
[19:35] <vinnl> Then it'll adapt to your GTK theme
[19:35] <Grey_Loki> Oh, sweet! :D
[19:35]  * Grey_Loki apt-gets
[19:35] <vinnl> :)
[19:36] <floating> what should i do when system jams ? harddrive just keeps noise and me trying to press ctrl alt f1, ctrl alt del, ctrl alt backspace ... none work.. i just have to reset the whole system.. now when im back, where can i look to understand this jam ?
[19:36] <vinnl> I believe the command "dmesg" might provide some hitns
[19:36] <floating> cant see there anything
[19:36] <floating> related
[19:37] <floating> but im just maybe not good enough to see
[19:37] <Grey_Loki> vinnl, worked beautifully - thanks for that, and the scaling tip :)
[19:37] <vinnl> I wouldn't know either :(
[19:37] <floating> anyway, the jam comes always when there is lot of system load
[19:37] <vinnl> You're welcome :)
[19:37] <floating> so it feels like i just used up too much memory
[19:38] <floating> but i thought i could play able to avoid such total freezes in linux nowadays
[19:38] <vinnl> It should not happen indeed
[19:38] <vinnl> You might want to file a bugreport
[19:38] <vinnl> !bugs
[19:38] <floating> problem is i have no idea what this is about
[19:39] <vinnl> Perhaps a triagers knows how to further diagnose the problem :)
[19:39] <floating> the system freeze may be a max slow down
[19:40] <floating> like this time i was able to move mouse, and the mouse would move after a minute or two on the screen
[19:40] <floating> but if i pressed some of those ctrl alt combo, they didnt respond after minute or two
[20:16] <l337ingDisorder> hey folks, I'm trying to modify the xubuntu install .ISO files so that when I choose to install it to disk it installs with some custom options (specifically, instead of loading gnome, it would just load firefox as a kiosk, and password-protect the shut-down/log-out/etc functions)
[20:17] <l337ingDisorder> can anyone point me in the right direction to learn how to create a modified xubuntu install disc?
[20:17] <vinnl> l337ingDisorder, I believe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys could help
[20:18] <l337ingDisorder> vinnl: Awesome! Thanks - that looks like exactly what I'm looking for!
[20:19]  * l337ingDisorder gives vinnl a +5 Sword of Wireless Reception as thanks
[20:34] <Xacarith> I have a little problem....  I can find no volume controls in the xfce desktop.
[20:34] <vinnl> Xacarith, try xfce4-mixer
[20:45] <Xacarith> vinnl I seem to have it installed but I can't find the dang thing
[20:45] <vinnl> Xacarith, you mean it's not in the menu?
[20:45] <vinnl> Or that the file does not exist?
[20:46] <Xacarith> Under settings sound All I get is what device to use and what Useful Controls which seems to be for turning off and on the functions of the card, like line in, mic and such
[20:47] <Xacarith> That's what mixer settings brings up
[20:47] <vinnl> Xacarith, try adding the Volume Control plugin to your panel
[20:47] <vinnl> You can then click the speaker icon to launch the volume controls
[20:47] <vinnl> Or control it directly from your panel
[20:50] <Xacarith> Right lick on pannel, add new item.  Select volume control.  Press add.....  There are no new items added though...
[20:50] <TheSheep> Xacarith: drag and drop it, it's a bug
[20:50] <vinnl> Maybe it ended up a bit to the right from where you clicked
[20:50] <vinnl> Oh OK
[20:51] <Xacarith> ooo  I didn't know you could drag and drop like that
[20:51] <vinnl> Me neither, nice trick TheSheep
[20:51] <TheSheep> it's ncie when you want to addm ore items
[20:51] <vinnl> Now if only I could drag launchers from the menu or desktop :P
[20:52] <TheSheep> vinnl: you can, to the application list of a launcher
[20:52] <vinnl> TheSheep, that's not from the menu or desktop ;-)
[20:52] <TheSheep> vinnl: from desktop
[20:52] <TheSheep> vinnl: or from other directories
[20:53] <TheSheep> vinnl: for example from /usr/share/applications
[20:53] <vinnl> TheSheep, I just created a launcher on my desktop but I can't drop it on my panel
[20:53] <vinnl> Yeah I know that
[20:53] <vinnl> That's a nice trick too :)
[20:53] <vinnl> But I'd love to be able to drop something from my desktop (not viewed within Thunar, but really the desktop) onto the panel, and even better would be from the menu
[20:53] <TheSheep> vinnl: right click on a launcher on your panel, select properties, drag items from desktop on the list in the properties
[20:54] <vinnl> TheSheep, ah, yeah, but I'd like to have it create a new launcher
[20:54] <vinnl> If I first have to add the launcher to the panel through the dialog I might as well create it manually
[20:54] <vinnl> Doesn't really make any difference in effort
[20:54] <Xacarith> Hmm..  Now...  How do I adjust record volumes...  But at least now I have some control
[20:54] <TheSheep> vinnl: but it's already taken -- dragging a file over a launcher makes it open that file in that app
[20:55] <vinnl> Oh, didn't know that, that's nice
[20:55] <vinnl> Xacarith, click the speaker icon
[20:55] <vinnl> But I can't, say, create a launcher for Firefox on my desktop and drag it to an empty spot on the panel to create a copy there
[20:56] <vinnl> Or drag the Firefox menu item to my desktop or panel to do the same
[20:56] <Xacarith> I've lost all mic input to my one program
[20:58] <Xacarith> I can turn it up so I can hear it but that doesn't change it's record volume
[21:00] <Xacarith> It's annoying that I have to change over to gnome to up the record volume on the mic so people can here me over the net
[21:01] <vinnl> I'd love to help, but I don't have a microphone myself, unfortunately :(
[21:01] <Xacarith> You helped some actually
[21:01] <vinnl> If it helps, there's a new mixer in the next version in Xfce that will ship with Xubuntu 9.04 ;-)
[21:02] <Xacarith> "What happened to 8.10?
[21:03] <TheSheep> Xacarith: nothing, it's schedulet for 30th this month
[21:03] <TheSheep> scheduled
[21:04] <vinnl> But Xfce 4.6 won't be ready in time for that :)
[21:10] <bodeli> Hi, does anyone know which channel I should go to to find out about turning off stack protection?
[21:10] <Xacarith> I love this one.  Under multimedia, sound recorder.  Error msg is 'Your audio capture settings are invalid.  Please correct them in Multimedia settings.'
[21:11] <vinnl> !stack
[21:11] <bodeli> Vinnl: Heh, nice try. :)
[21:11] <vinnl> ;-)
[21:12] <bodeli> I've Googled the heck out of this problem, and tried everything I could find, but no go.
[21:12] <bodeli> I'm afraid I might have to use some older version of Linux to learn about buffer overflows and such.
[21:17] <Xacarith> Thanks again Vinnl  Take care all
[21:17] <ooglebutte> my desktop icons are only visible when the mouse is over - how do I sort that out?
[21:17] <ooglebutte> *over them even
[21:55] <Grey_Loki> OK, this is something that's always bugged me. In distros that don't automount drives, how can you tell which /dev/* are actually plugged in/able to be mounted, and which ones aren't?
[21:55] <vinnl> I struggled with this this morning, but you can just browse to /dev in your filebrowser ;-)
[21:56] <Grey_Loki> What if i'm connected via ssh, or just want to use a terminal?
[21:56] <vinnl> cd /dev, then "ls | more"
[21:57] <zoredache> I got one now
[21:57] <zoredache> watch dmesg to see what devices have been added/removed
[21:57] <zoredache> also look in /dev/disk/by-*
[22:01] <steven> hello all
[22:02] <vinnl> Hey steven
[22:02] <steven> quick question
[22:02] <steven> i've been on the forums
[22:03] <steven> but i want to get a MS sidewinder joystick working in xubuntu
[22:03] <steven> and i would like it to kind of mimic a mouse
[22:03] <steven> movement is like a mouse, map keys to mouse keys and such
[22:04] <steven> any ide-ers?
[22:11] <favro> once it is recognised in the system you would map it in xorg.conf
[22:17] <steven> it would?
[22:17] <steven> how can i see if it's recognized
[22:17] <ooglebutte> how is it plugged in?
[22:18] <steven> usb
[22:18] <steven> lsusb?
[22:18] <ooglebutte> try   lsusb   in a terminal
[22:18] <steven> k
[22:19] <steven> MS corp sidewinder joystick is listed
[22:20] <ooglebutte> now see if it is listed in /dev - wouldn't know what to look for
[22:20] <steven> k
[22:20] <steven> it's in /dev/input/js0
[22:20] <steven> i want it to mimic a mouse
[22:20] <steven> so i don't need as mouse
[22:20] <steven> *a
[22:21] <steven> so yeah it's listed
[22:23] <favro> I have a backed up xorg.conf that gives a few more options for the mouse - I'll paste it
[22:23] <favro> !paste
[22:25] <steven> okay
[22:25] <favro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54008/ - change the device
[22:25] <favro> and man xorg about the mapping
[22:25] <steven> will that xorg.conf have the joystick emulate the mouse
[22:25] <steven> ?
[22:26] <steven> where it says option protocol
[22:26] <steven> explorerps/2
[22:26] <steven> mine is usb
[22:26] <steven> driver is joystick?
[22:26] <favro> you'll have to map it and change the device to /dev/input/js0
[22:27] <steven> okay
[22:27] <steven> how to map?
[22:27] <steven> but everything else leave?
[22:27] <steven> can i have a mouse connected at the same time?
[22:28] <favro> I haven't don'tanything like this - google might help - I was giving a start for you
[22:28] <favro> *done
[22:28] <steven> oh okay
[22:28] <steven> thanks favro
[22:29] <favro> I hope you sort it out :)
[22:30] <favro> I would cahnge the device in the mouse section and restart X as a wild shot
[22:30] <favro> but only 'cause I can edit files at the command line to get it working if it fails
[22:30] <steven> i can try
[22:30] <steven> yeah me too
[22:31] <steven> well thanks for the help
[22:31] <favro> np
[22:38] <DCPom> hey, how do you remove files from the trash?
[22:39] <zoredache> drag them out?
[22:39] <vinnl> DCPom, you mean permant delete or restore?
[22:39] <vinnl> (Both in the context and Edit menu)
[22:39] <DCPom> when i drag them out nothing happens
[22:39] <ooglebutte> I right click the trash icon and select "empty trash"
[22:39] <DCPom> no i mean
[22:39] <DCPom> remove to desktop
[22:39] <DCPom> like
[22:39] <DCPom> from trash to the desktop?
[22:40] <vinnl> DCPom, right-click on in the Edit menu, select "Restore"
[22:40] <DCPom> ahh, thank you
[22:40] <vinnl> Copy-paste should also work
[22:53] <zerothi1> why does  kill -kill `pgrep firefox` work from the command line but not as a command in a launcher?
[22:53] <zerothi1> why does  kill -kill `pgrep firefox` work from the command line but not as a command in a launcher?
[22:53] <zerothi1> oops, sorry
[22:54] <TheSheep> zerothi1: hint: killall
[22:55] <DCPom> what's the command to remove a directory that isn't empty?
[22:56] <TheSheep> rm -r
[22:56] <TheSheep> use with care
[22:57] <DCPom> thanks
[22:57] <TheSheep> and *never* use it with * and . at the same time
[22:57] <TheSheep> because .. and . also match
[22:57] <zerothi1> killall doesn't  help, it doesn't work in a launcher either
[22:57] <DCPom> lol
[22:58] <TheSheep> DCPom: it's really not funny
[22:58] <DCPom> i think it is
[22:58] <TheSheep> DCPom: not if you lear it the hard way
[22:58] <TheSheep> learn
[22:58] <DCPom> indeed
[22:58] <ooglebutte> try killall -v firefox  then  killall -v firefox-bin
[23:27] <bassboi> IM ON CRACK
[23:27] <bassboi> BZZZ
[23:28] <ooglebutte> you said that yesterday...
[23:28] <bassboi> i did?
[23:28] <ooglebutte> yep
[23:28] <bassboi> oh damn
[23:28]  * bassboi cries
[23:33] <eike> hi, i'm trying to get my atom330 working with my tv. it's a 945 chipset with integrated graphics. on my tv i only get a 640x480 resolution. how do i get 1024x768?
[23:36] <ooglebutte> !dualhead
[23:36] <ooglebutte> !twinview
[23:36] <eike> i don't want dualhead
[23:36] <eike> the tv should be the only display
[23:40] <eike> the display-section in the settingsmanager just show 'Default'


[00:24] <mup> Bug #1908452 changed: MAAS stops working and deployment fails after `Loading ephemeral` step <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908452>
[00:27] <mup> Bug #1908452 opened: MAAS stops working and deployment fails after `Loading ephemeral` step <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908452>
[00:33] <mup> Bug #1908452 changed: MAAS stops working and deployment fails after `Loading ephemeral` step <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908452>
[15:58] <mup> Bug #1910201 changed: bcache: overflow in stripe number calculations for devices with small io_opt  <ps5> <MAAS:Fix Released> <linux (Ubuntu):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910201>
[15:58] <mup> Bug #1910411 opened: No reason visible in Web UI when a commissioning step fails in the central processing by regiond <ps5> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1910411>
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1908761 changed: Can't deploy using root XFS partition using 18.04 <seg> <sts> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Triaged> <grub2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908761>
[22:02] <mup> Bug #1908761 opened: Can't deploy using root XFS partition using 18.04 <seg> <sts> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Triaged> <grub2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908761>
[22:14] <mup> Bug #1908761 changed: Can't deploy using root XFS partition using 18.04 <seg> <sts> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Triaged> <grub2 (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1908761>


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[03:51] <CIA-61> ubiquity: evand * r2954 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.11.0
[03:51] <evand> superm1: it should :)
[03:51] <evand> There was one remaining issue with grub segfaulting, but I cannot reproduce it on the latest i386 CD.  I'm downloading the amd64 version now just to be sure it's not a arch specific issue.
[13:15] <xivulon> evand I have here the python branch for wubi: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/jaunty.python
[13:15] <xivulon> you might want to go through it quickly and have a look in the readme so we can discuss at UDS
[13:17] <xivulon> it does not yet complete the installation and there are a few TBD around the place, but it's getting there, I'll need a couple of days to finish it off and a few more to get rid of the TBD.
[13:18] <evand> fantastic.  ill have a look later today
[13:23] <xivulon> feel free to ask if you have any question
[13:23] <evand> ok, will do
[13:24] <xivulon> fyi I will rename that branch as trunk once I have it working, as mentioned some time ago' I was also planning to experiment with grub2
[20:56] <evand> Ugh.  Just drove myself crazy for an hour trying to figure out why manual partitioning is broken in ubiquity, only to find out that I forgot to upload partman-base :/
[21:01] <CIA-61> partman-base: evand * r119 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu3
[22:16] <dmarkey> hey
[22:17] <dmarkey> question, im building a custom install initrd, would anyone be able to help me with it?
[22:19] <dmarkey> all i need to do it edit /etc/event.d/tty1 in the installed system before it reboots
[23:06] <cjwatson> dmarkey: doesn't need a customised initrd, just write a preseed/late_command script that changes /target/etc/event.d/tty1 as you want
[23:07] <cjwatson> and preseed that in the usual way (see the installation guide, help.ubuntu.com)
[23:07] <dmarkey> cjwatson: is this from the install cd?
[23:07] <cjwatson> if you like, yes
[23:08] <dmarkey> not an option, im booting the install initrd only onto xen
[23:08] <dmarkey> so all i have to work with is the initrd
[23:08] <cjwatson> I didn't say it only worked from the install cd; you asked ...
[23:09] <cjwatson> in practice most people use preseeding from something like netboot installs since it's usually applied to mass deployments
[23:09] <cjwatson> can you pass arbitrary kernel arguments?
[23:10] <dmarkey> i want this to be a generic initrd, but with the xen modules within, i have it that far, now all i need is to change /etc/event.d/tty1 when the install is finished.
[23:10] <dmarkey> cjwatson: i suppose i could
[23:10] <cjwatson> if you're customising the initrd anyway, you can put a preseed file in /preseed.cfg in the initrd
[23:11] <cjwatson> so just do that
[23:12] <dmarkey> but that will give me a fully unattended install?
[23:13] <cjwatson> if you write the preseed file appropriately, sure ...
[23:13] <cjwatson> you need to read the installation guide :)
[23:14] <cjwatson> appendix b
[23:14] <dmarkey> bah,
[23:14] <cjwatson> preseed files in and of themselves do not make the whole install unattended
[23:14] <cjwatson> you can preseed just one thing and that does not affect the rest of the installation in any way
[23:16] <dmarkey> perfect
[23:16] <cjwatson> e.g.
[23:16] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/late_command string sed -i 's/foo/bar/' /target/etc/event.d/tty1
[23:16] <cjwatson> or
[23:17] <cjwatson> d-i preseed/late_command string chroot /target perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/' /etc/event.d/tty1
[23:17] <cjwatson> that sort of thing
[23:18] <dmarkey> so i just bang that into /preseed.cfg in the initrd
[23:20] <dmarkey> lemme try that
[23:22] <cjwatson> right
[23:25] <dmarkey> one last thing, can i get the insaller to dump an answerfile, like RHEL anacond.cfg
[23:26] <dmarkey> i'll just RTFM that
[23:31] <cjwatson> sort of, but unfortunately not in a way that you can easily just feed back in
[23:31] <cjwatson> it'll have a lot of junk that shouldn't be preseeded
[23:32] <cjwatson> you can use 'debconf-set-selections --installer' but strictly as a starting point
[23:32] <cjwatson> err, get not set
[23:33] <dmarkey> ok, that worked thanks, i'll put it up on my blog
[23:33] <cjwatson> http://dmarkey.com/wordpress/ ?
[23:33] <dmarkey> you should probably consider doing this, if you have any say on the ubuntu installer
[23:33] <dmarkey> yes
[23:34] <cjwatson> doing which?
[23:34] <cjwatson> oh, the answerfile thing?
[23:34] <dmarkey> no no
[23:35] <dmarkey> allowing the installer to run under xen, which is just 2 easy steps
[23:35] <cjwatson> oh, if we ever get an Ubuntu xen-enabled kernel that works for more than one release in succession, I'll consider it
[23:36] <dmarkey> i dont understand, im talking about in a xen guest
[23:36] <cjwatson> oh
[23:36] <cjwatson> what am I missing then?
[23:36] <evand> so manual partitioning still seems to be broken, despite my changes.  I'm going to take a further look at the airport / on the plane as I have to pack.
[23:37] <dmarkey> all you need to do is include the xen modules in the initrd and change tty1 to hvc0 in /etc/event.d/tty1
[23:37] <cjwatson> I thought we already arranged for an /etc/event.d/hvc0 if that was console=
[23:38] <dmarkey> oh really?
[23:38] <cjwatson> (it shouldn't be /etc/event.d/tty1, that should be, well, tty1)
[23:38] <cjwatson> oh, only as of jaunty
[23:38] <cjwatson>   [ Ian Campbell ]
[23:38] <cjwatson>   * Add a getty to hvc0 if Xen is detected.
[23:38] <cjwatson> finish-install 2.19
[23:39] <dmarkey> cool, so just include the kernel modules and we'd be set
[23:39] <cjwatson> xen modules in initrd> isn't that from the xen-enabled kernel though?
[23:39] <dmarkey> i dont think theres a xen enabled initrd?
[23:40] <dmarkey> and its a unified kernel now
[23:40] <cjwatson> oh, it is? which modules then?
[23:40] <cjwatson> sorry, bear with me, sleeping baby in arms => typing hard
[23:41] <dmarkey> http://pastebin.com/m14b2760d
[23:41] <cjwatson> those do not appear to be in 2.6.27-9-generic
[23:41] <dmarkey> basically find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*xen*"
[23:42] <cjwatson> well apart from netxen_nic
[23:42] <cjwatson> I can only easily include the ones built from our -generic kernel build
[23:42] <dmarkey> they are from the generic tree
[23:42] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@sarantium /lib/modules>$ find -name \*xen\*
[23:42] <cjwatson> ./2.6.27-9-generic/kernel/drivers/net/netxen
[23:42] <cjwatson> ./2.6.27-9-generic/kernel/drivers/net/netxen/netxen_nic.ko
[23:42] <cjwatson> ./2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/netxen
[23:42] <cjwatson> ./2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/net/netxen/netxen_nic.ko
[23:43] <dmarkey> oh, hmm
[23:43] <dmarkey> where di i get those then
[23:43] <dmarkey> 2.6.27-7-generic/kernel/drivers/block/xen-blkfront.k
[23:43] <dmarkey> ??
[23:43] <cjwatson> I don't know where you got that - it isn't in the stock package
[23:44] <cjwatson> including netxen_nic is a matter of the kernel guys listing it in debian/d-i/modules/nic-modules (file a bug on linux for that one)
[23:44] <dmarkey> umm.. they wouldnt insert correctly if they wer for another kernel
[23:45] <cjwatson> oh, I'm on i386 here
[23:45] <dmarkey> ah ok
[23:45] <cjwatson> it appears that stuff is built on amd64 but for i386 it's only built for -server
[23:45] <dmarkey> oh, hmm
[23:45] <cjwatson> which seems a trifle odd
[23:46] <cjwatson> could you ask the kernel team about that? I'm not really keen on switching the installer initrd over to -server :-)
[23:46] <dmarkey> well, in fairness most xen setups now are amd64
[23:47] <cjwatson> ah, well in that case ...
[23:47] <cjwatson> which of those modules are actually needed in d-i?
[23:47] <cjwatson> xen-blkfront I assume
[23:47] <dmarkey> is the i386 pae by default?
[23:47] <cjwatson> no
[23:48] <cjwatson> xen-fbfront sort of looks like it would need some special userspace support to load it?
[23:49] <dmarkey> umm.. dunno, its the xen frame buffer, if you enable vfb in the config file for that domain, you can vnc into it
[23:49] <dmarkey> worked seamlessly when i tried it
[23:49] <cjwatson> just wondering what loads the module
[23:50] <dmarkey> oh, just came across a bug
[23:50] <cjwatson> anyway, basically all of this sounds totally sensible to include by default, but I'll need to get the kernel guys to actually add the modules; perhaps you could send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about it and I'll deal with it when I get back from holiday
[23:51] <dmarkey> when i change tty1 then i dont get a login on the virtual frame buffer, makes sense
[23:51] <cjwatson> right, it's probably better to have both tty1 and hvc0
[23:51] <cjwatson> so copy that file to hvc0 and then change it
[23:52] <dmarkey> can i have more than 1 preseed/late_command string
[23:52] <cjwatson> no, but it's passed to the shell for evaluation, so you can separate statements with semicolons
[23:53] <dmarkey> ah ok
[23:55] <dmarkey> http://pastebin.com/m2cc36efa
[23:56] <cjwatson> ok
[23:56] <cjwatson> maybe udev is doing it or something
[23:58] <dmarkey> d-i preseed/late_command string chroot /target cp /etc/event.d/tty1 /etc/event.d/hvc0 ; chroot /target sed -i  's/tty1/hvc0/' /etc/event.d/hvc0
[23:58] <dmarkey> does that look alright?


[18:07] <scott-work> super sweet...guitarix is now is debian :)
[18:13] <falktx> hm guitarix wasn't on debian until now ?
[18:41] <scott-work> i think just recently actually
[18:41] <scott-work> it should have synced to ubuntu at the beginning of maverick
[18:43] <scott-work> according to the debian changelog it was july 26 when it was introduced to debian
[18:46] <falktx> i hope to get festige there soon
[18:46]  * falktx -> home
[18:48] <scott-work> i hope they get ladish into debian
[18:48] <scott-work> but i don't know if they will according some of the emails on the debian multimedia mailing list
[18:49] <scott-work> i think there may be licensing issues, but maybe i'm confusing this with something else
[22:16] <ckontros> ScottL: Around?
[22:30] <scott-work> ckontros: yes?
[22:32] <ckontros> scott-work: PM me when you get home. Whenever.
[22:32] <scott-work> ckontros: will do