[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120834 in mesa "intel gm965 freezes with 3d applications" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120834
[08:58] <Raspberry> I think I might have made the initial bug I sent you a duplicate of this one
[08:59] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Can't see it there either.
[08:59] <Griswold> malnilion, Am working on fixing some other stuff first - namely animated cursors and out cursor/icon loading code
[09:00] <Raspberry> basically the bug they linked to had a link to another bug that had the fix since early January ... and I know these were all set to won't fix because they said they were waiting for the upstream to fix it
[09:00] <Raspberry> but it was already fixed upstream
[09:00] <malnilion> Griswold, that'll be good for the time being :D
[09:00] <Raspberry> apparently it was forked? or not commited to the stable trunk ... something like that
[09:00] <Raspberry> I just tested things though -- and 3d is now working
[09:01] <Griswold> Sometimes Wine gets confused with whether we have a cursor or an icon and gives a slightly wrong offset for the bitmap header, and then it crashes games like FEAR
[09:01] <Raspberry> although I still only get 2.2fps in Tux Racer :)
[09:01] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: That's debateably a valid use of Won't Fix, but there's no one opinion on whether it's right.
[09:01] <Griswold> (Only program I have seen, actually, that *crashes* because of the failed cursor load)
[09:01] <Griswold> Don't expect animated cursor support anytime soon, though.
[09:01] <Griswold> I have to move a lot of code around before I can really write that
[09:02] <Fujitsu> Won't Fix might mean it's intended behaviour, or it could really mean Won't Fix Here (ie. it's upstream's problem)...
[09:02] <telexicon> but what do you do if it is the upstreams problem and they put the fix in a different release?
[09:02] <Griswold> Basically, MS decided that applications can edit the cursor directly in memory for Win16, and then in Win32 they changed it.  For WinXP, we have animated cursors, which require a different structure.
[09:02] <telexicon> the bug just stays around?
[09:02] <Raspberry> but they flagged it as won't fix after the fix had already been released but there was no intention of adding the fixed code into the ubuntu package until the fixed code was pointed out to them... they were just going to "wait" for a fix
[09:02] <telexicon> that doesnt seem like a reasonable solution
[09:03] <ethana3> wait, how long ago exactly was libc6 frozen?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Then you note that upstream say's it's fixed, and look at the bug again.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Hmmm, that sounds really wrong.
[09:03] <telexicon> Fujitsu, will ubuntu devs pull patches from upstream to fix bugs in current versions?
[09:03] <Fujitsu> ethana3: A couple of hours, but mirrors will take a while to update.
[09:03] <Griswold> So I have to 1) change the structure, 2) without changing the structure :P  Basically, the idea is to store the cursor somewhere else and have two cursors in memory and feed the application the right one
[09:03] <Fujitsu> telexicon: Current versions of what? Ubuntu, or upstream versions of packages?
[09:03] <savvas00> how do I check out the total size of a folder?
[09:03] <ethana3> a couple of hours.....  well my system seems bork, so i must have managed to get it /right/ before it was.
[09:03] <Raspberry> notice how the freedesktop fix was released in early January... and they didn't "fix" this until today -- noting that they added in the fixed code after I pointed out the fix
[09:04] <savvas00> in a terminal of course
[09:04] <Fujitsu> savvas00: du -ch somedir
[09:04] <savvas00> thanks
[09:04] <telexicon> Fujitsu, use fixes from a newer upstream version to fix a bug in a current ubuntu package
[09:04] <Fujitsu> Hm, -sh, probably.
[09:04] <Griswold> savvas00, du -h
[09:04] <savvas00> ok :)
[09:04]  * Adys confirms q broken libc6 is PAIN to fix
[09:04] <Fujitsu> -s for summary, -h for human-readable.
[09:04] <Raspberry> here's the upstream bug... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9307
[09:04] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 9307 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "[965g]: Consistent crashes in any GL application with DRI enabled" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]
[09:04] <malnilion> Griswold, figures, MS makes things complicated that shouldn't be complicated
[09:04] <Griswold> malnilion, Yep yep.
[09:05] <savvas00> hm it'll fit
[09:05] <Griswold> So I have to go do a *bunch* of work to get animated cursors working properly.  :\
[09:05] <Griswold> It will happen, just not anytime soon.
[09:05] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, oops -- that's not my bug :P
[09:05] <ethana3> i think i have one machine that updated /after/ the libc6 freeze, i'll check
[09:05] <Raspberry> THIS bug... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13492
[09:05] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 13492 in Drivers/DRI/i965 "965GM wine Messa crash when using DRI. Google-earth is also dying with error related to the mesa package" [Critical,Resolved: fixed]
[09:06] <Fujitsu> Bug #178292, or bug #185423?
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in mesa "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[09:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185423 in wine "Wine crashes and close my session went to login screen (dup-of: 178292)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185423
[09:06] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, they're all caused by the same MESA library issue
[09:07] <Raspberry> different issues, but the same MESA library :)
[09:07] <Fujitsu> Right, the former is the one you referenced earlier.
[09:07] <Raspberry> and I marked 185423 as a dup of 178292 this week
[09:08] <pwnguin> what's the name of the program / applet / logout dialo that appears when you hit quit in GNOME?
[09:09] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: It's part of gnome-session, I think.
[09:09] <Raspberry> I just think it would be a bad idea to have released hardy without this fixed and that is what was going to happen
[09:09] <Raspberry> because this problem exists in gutsy
[09:09] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It would be very bad to release it with that, you're right.
[09:10] <Raspberry> anyway -- on the positive side.. I've learned that we can make a difference alpha testing and I'm trying to register the bugs I find and find fixes for them upstream if I can and post that into the bugs
[09:10] <YazzY> hm
[09:10] <YazzY> i copied over the old libc6 and linked it to libc.so
[09:10] <philip__> for libc6 fix, should i do amaranth's "cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /path/to/mounted/partition/" or should I follow eTM_'s solution of extracting the libc6 package over?
[09:10] <YazzY> ubt i still get the same malloc errors
[09:10] <Fujitsu> YazzY: What arch?
[09:10] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, my next thing to get on the devs about is Xournal is unusable in Hardy, but worked fine in Gutsy
[09:11] <YazzY> Fujitsu: x86
[09:11] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Ensure you've done libc6-i686 as well.
[09:11] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what model of tablet have you?
[09:11] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I have a tablet and I used to take notes in Linux, but since I updated to Hardy, I can't ...
[09:11] <Raspberry> pwnguin, ThinkPad x61t
[09:11] <pwnguin> and whats unusable about it?
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> that is a little annoying
[09:11] <YazzY> Fujitsu: what do you mean by "Ive done" _
[09:11] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: I see you've filed a bug.
[09:11] <YazzY> ?
[09:11] <Fujitsu> With a very nice number.
[09:11] <h3sp4wn> It certainly wasn't locked in the archive 30 secs ago
[09:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I know I was thinking what else could I file to hit 200000 :P
[09:12] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: Depends on which mirror you're using.
[09:12] <Raspberry> pwnguin, see bug #199999
[09:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199999 in xournal "Cursor moves but does not show drawn line in real-time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199999
[09:12] <YazzY> Fujitsu: /lib/libc.so.6 points now to /lib/libc/2.6.1.so, what else do ineed to do?
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> Fujitsu: gb.a
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> or de.archive I forget on that box
[09:13] <Raspberry> it makes it unusable because you can't see what you're writing until you've released the pressure on the pen
[09:13] <Fujitsu> YazzY: You probably need to extract the whole old libc6 and libc6-i686.
[09:13] <Raspberry> CellWriter works -- so it's something that Xournal is attached to ...a nd the Gnome "Journal" version doesn't seem to exist anymore
[09:13] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i cant duplicate it
[09:13] <pwnguin> it works fairly smoothly here
[09:13] <Raspberry> is there a working screen capture app in Hardy?  I'll screen capture some video here
[09:13] <h3sp4wn> you can just use dpkg --root= (What that is designed for)
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: several ones
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: recordmydesktop
[09:14] <isaac> Raspberry: istanbul
[09:14] <YazzY> Fujitsu: ive us keyboad now and i cant find the ' sign on mine which is norwegian, could you type it for me here?/
[09:14] <pwnguin> !info gournal
[09:14] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: Well, it was blocked on a.u.c a ocouple of hours back, so it might not have propgated.
[09:14] <ubotu> gournal (source: gournal): Note taking application for non-windows platforms. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (hardy), package size 71 kB, installed size 332 kB
[09:14] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Which? " ' `?
[09:14] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I've tried with the pen and with the cursor with a fresh copy of xorg.conf
[09:14] <Raspberry> pwnguin, cursor ... I mean mouse
[09:14] <YazzY> the ` one , thanks ,Fujitsu
[09:15] <Fujitsu> YazzY: It's a backtick, and is on the tilde key on most European keyboards.
[09:15] <Raspberry> isaac, thanks -- I was trying ScreenKast and that just crashed my desktop
[09:15] <YazzY> ok, cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6| xargs` /mnt/ is done
[09:15] <pwnguin> Raspberry: is Use XInput enabled?
[09:16] <YazzY> Fujitsu: you mean i should also run libc6-i686 as well?
[09:16] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Probably.
[09:16] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> Fujitsu: what do you mean by "Blocked"
[09:16] <Raspberry> pwnguin, not in the xorg.conf
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> removed ?
[09:16] <YazzY> Fujitsu: when i run the command i typed in ebfore, it says something like cp: omitting directory `/.'
[09:16] <Fujitsu> h3sp4wn: chmod -r
[09:16] <YazzY> cp: omitting directory `/lib'
[09:16] <pwnguin> Raspberry: in xournal
[09:17] <YazzY> Fujitsu: does it look correct ?
[09:17] <ethana3> emailed link to fix to myself... rebooting onto livecd
[09:17] <ethana3> bye
[09:17] <Fujitsu> YazzY: COmmand is wrong. The second backtick goes before the pipe.
[09:17] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I see there's a bug here 184996
[09:17] <Raspberry> pwnguin, bug #184996
[09:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184996 in xournal "Annotation tools are broken in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184996
[09:17] <YazzY> ah
[09:18] <Raspberry> pwnguin, yes it is enabled in Xournal
[09:18] <YazzY> Fujitsu: now it says following:
[09:18] <YazzY> cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6`| xargs /mnt/
[09:18] <YazzY> cp: target `/lib/libutil.so.1' is not a directory
[09:18] <YazzY> xargs: /mnt/: Permission denied
[09:18] <Raspberry> pwnguin, if I uncheck it ... it works fine :p
[09:18] <pwnguin> heh
[09:18] <pwnguin> well then, problem solved!
[09:18] <pwnguin> sigh
[09:18] <Raspberry> I'll note that in my bug
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Wait, that command looks very wrong.
[09:19] <Raspberry> I guess I don't know what XInput does relative to the app and I've asked the question in here for a few weeks before posting the bug :P
[09:19] <Adys> to those who upgraded to libc6; were you able to get a root commandline after booting?
[09:19] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: type ls /mnt
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> Adys: No
[09:19] <Adys> right just checking
[09:19] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: its my root partition
[09:19] <pwnguin> X11 assumes a set of core input devices, a mouse, keyboard etc
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> Adys: actually I think I have sash
[09:19] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i have only one more mounted as /home
[09:19] <pwnguin> XInput is a protocol to enable more advanced things like wacom pointers
[09:20] <Fujitsu> YazzY: Apparently the backtick afterwards was correct, though that syntax is strange.
[09:20] <pwnguin> it'll probably be discared in the future in favor of MPX, or merged, i donno
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> command should be cp --parents `dpkg -L libc6 | xargs` /mnt
[09:20] <muszek__> libc can be downloaded... at least I did it 10 minutes ago
[09:20] <Fujitsu> muszek__: From some mirrors.
[09:20] <pwnguin> the MPX guy complained that there was only 1 app that used Xinput, GIMP
[09:20] <pwnguin> he should complain that there's two
[09:20] <YazzY> muszek__: and downgraded?
[09:20] <Fujitsu> We can't do anything to make mirrors update faster.
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: just did it by self a few minutes ago unfortunately
[09:20] <DrUnKnMuNkY> myself*
[09:21] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: did what?
[09:21] <muszek__> YazzY: I haven't done anything yet... spent those 10 minutes trying to get here
[09:21] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, not even if you rub them with Cheetah Blood?
[09:21] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what digitizer does that tablet use?
[09:21] <YazzY> ah
[09:21] <YazzY> the comand
[09:21] <Raspberry> pwnguin, serial-based wacom
[09:21] <pwnguin> odd
[09:21] <pwnguin> gnome?
[09:21] <YazzY> muszek__: where did you grab the package?
[09:23] <Raspberry> pwnguin, there are two models a lower res touch-screen model and a higher res (1400x1050) tablet only
[09:23] <Raspberry> and I have the higher res
[09:23] <WelshDragon> Is there any way to fix glibc without involving a restart or is that the only way?
[09:23] <pwnguin> Raspberry: mine's 1440x900
[09:23] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506412&postcount=57
[09:24] <pwnguin> Raspberry: does your right click work right by default?
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no... I have to setup all the buttons in the xorg.conf
[09:24] <pwnguin> heh
[09:24] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: i had to run dpkg -i libc* twice to get the packages to install btw
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, otherwise the eraser tip and right click don't work
[09:24] <Raspberry> pwnguin, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Wacom_Serial_Tablet_PC_Stylus
[09:24] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: you had downloaded the packages and installed them then ?
[09:25] <pwnguin> right, but i have this problem where buttons 1 and 2 are switched
[09:25] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i thought you fixed it with the cp command
[09:25] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I've got 2.6.12-generic running and attempting to fire up VirtualBox .. after setting it all up I click start and it tells me .. "Virtualbox kernel driver not installed" then tells me to modprobe the vboxdrv .. I try and it fails, telling my to look at dmesg, but I don't see anything erronious in dmesg .. help?
[09:25] <sdh> "package locked in archive, cannot be downloaded" <-- i just did
[09:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: all that allowed me to do was to chroot into the partition
[09:25] <pwnguin> Raspberry: yea, i know. handy resource, even for my toshiba tecra m7
[09:25] <Fujitsu> NineTeen67Comet: Do you have the appropriate virtualbox modules package installed?
[09:25] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: i still wasn't able to boot until i reinstalled those packages
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, the tablet is great though... much more sturdy than the Toshiba M200 tablet I had before ... and the screen is always clear... the M200 had that clear cover but had space between the screen and tablet so the longer you used it you got a lot of debris between the clear layers of the screen
[09:26] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: i may be doing something wrong, do i need to chroot to my partition after i booted livecd and ran the cp command?
[09:26] <NineTeen67Comet> Fujitsu: Um, I did vbox-ose ose-source and ose-module (it took with it 2.14.12 and i386 modules..)
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, and you couldn't remove the clear cover without unscrewing it and Toshiba said that'd void the warranty
[09:26]  * NineTeen67Comet virtualbox-ose- etc etc
[09:26] <WelshDragon> Hmmm, Is there a way to open the terminal from the liveCD, using the libc from the liveCD, while being booted into hardy?
[09:26] <Raspberry> pwnguin, so I'll clean it when the warranty expires in another year
[09:26] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: you should do it while you're still in the livecd
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> WelshDragon: Is your shell working ?
[09:27] <WelshDragon> ive got a shell open
[09:27] <malnilion> Raspberry, that'd be really annoying, I bet
[09:27] <Raspberry> pwnguin, since I've already replaced the keyboard on the toshiba under warranty ...
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: do what exactly?
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: chroot?
[09:27] <NineTeen67Comet> WelshDragon: Can you chroot into the live cd? .. I'm not sure how you'd do it, but it could get ugly .. lol
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> WelshDragon: Yeah but is it actually still working
[09:27] <Raspberry> malnilion, here's what you have to do to clean it... http://www.telusplanet.net/~mykl/one.jpg
[09:27] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: chroot and then dpkg -i the pacakges?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> (I would guess it won't let you sudo)
[09:27] <WelshDragon> some things are some things are h3sp4wn...like apt isn't...but cp is...
[09:28] <WelshDragon> i'll try a sudo now
[09:28] <sdh> yeah i can't su or sudo sadly and have no root console open
[09:28] <pwnguin> Raspberry: what i find silly though is that part at the end of the wiki where you bind button 1 to button 1, and so on
[09:28] <WelshDragon> ok no sudo :(
[09:28] <SlimG> Is there a particular reason for why the hardy .iso filenames doesn't identify the content (gnome/kde and alpha version number) ?
[09:28] <gordonjcp> Fujitsu: Gutsy ships a lot of frankly knackered audio packages
[09:28] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: yes. chroot then dpkg -i the packages. you're already root once you've chrooted so no need to sudo. you need to move the packages onto the hard drive before you can do that though
[09:28] <Raspberry> pwnguin, heh yeah -- I didn't have to bind button one... I only had to bind button 3 to button 2 and button 2 to button 3 :P
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> I need to find the alpha 4 live usb I had somewhere
[09:29] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn, I burned a new Alpha6 CD and that worked :)
[09:29] <pwnguin> i have button2 bound to button 3
[09:29] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: but the cp command you run without chrooting, right ?
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: No CD drive (without moving tons of stuff)
[09:29] <pwnguin> maybe that other part will help with eraser tip identification
[09:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> virtualbox is obtained by SUN
[09:29] <DrUnKnMuNkY> YazzY: correct. cp the files before you chroot. sorry if my instructions are a little confusing.. it's 5:30 am for me and i need to sleep
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> interesting
[09:30] <YazzY> DrUnKnMuNkY: ok, np, thanks
[09:30] <Raspberry> wow
[09:30] <pwnguin> Raspberry: cellwriter's pretty neat. i should start a bounty to get it to dock correctly
[09:30] <Raspberry> very interesting
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Do they support Solaris at the moment ?
[09:30] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I know the developer -- he lives in town here :)
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, i think so
[09:30] <pwnguin> ah
[09:30] <pwnguin> cool.
[09:30] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> h3sp4wn, check their home page
[09:30] <pwnguin> i made sure it got into hardy ;)
[09:30] <Raspberry> pwnguin, there's a big Linux community in the Minneapolis / St Paul Minnesota area -- we've got Codeweavers here too :)
[09:31] <malnilion> Raspberry, yeah, at some point I'm going to have to replace the screen in my HP laptop
[09:31] <Kejk_PL> eh, I upgraded libc6 ;P
[09:31] <Raspberry> malnilion, the IBM are using a new technology... there's no space between the screens -- so you can't get dust in there
[09:31] <Kejk_PL> i'll try that workaaround :)
[09:32] <Raspberry> malnilion, I've very impressed -- it gets lots of fingerprints on it though because of the antiglare coating, but when the backlight is on you can't see them
[09:32] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i imagine the space between the digitizer and the lcd prevents you from ruining the lcd
[09:32] <pwnguin> via pressure
[09:33] <pwnguin> Raspberry: ultimately, I'd like to see about running ubuntu-mobile on tablets
[09:33] <Raspberry> pwnguin, yeah -- but there's something new with the ThinkPad X61
[09:34] <Wobbo> is it only the libc6-i686 package that shouldn't be updated?
[09:35] <malnilion> Nothing libc6 should be upgraded
[09:35] <ethana2> thank goodness for livecds
[09:35] <malnilion> Wobbo, but you don't really have to worry since the dl has been blocked
[09:35] <Wobbo> that is the only libc package in my list
[09:36] <Wobbo> malnilion, strange i updated an half hour ago and it broke my comp, i fixed thanks to the posts in the forum
[09:36] <pwnguin> Raspberry: you'll like this
[09:36] <pwnguin> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1891727&group_id=163434&atid=827733
[09:36] <ubotu> Sourceforge bug 1891727 "linuxwacom 0.7.9 + Xorg 7.3 XInput issues" [Pri: 5,Open]
[09:36] <Fujitsu> malnilion: Not all mirrors have updated yet.
[09:36] <Raspberry> I would have bought an IBM Tablet 2 years ago when I bought my Toshiba, but they didn't have them then :)
[09:36] <Raspberry> hehe
[09:37] <malnilion> Fujitsu, my bad, noted :)
[09:37] <malnilion> Wobbo, also you might have the bad deb still cached
[09:37] <pwnguin> they did
[09:37] <pwnguin> they were just massively outdated
[09:37] <pwnguin> x41ts
[09:37] <Wobbo> lol, i just pressed update again, and see "configuring libc6" i guess i have to fix my computer again =D
[09:37] <Raspberry> hey, there it is...
[09:37] <Raspberry> * Short fix without recompiling: uncheck the "Use XInput" box in the
[09:37] <Raspberry> Options menu
[09:39] <mikl> oops, now my bash is broken...
[09:39] <mikl> is there a way to log in with another shell, bypassing bash?
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> init=/bin/sash
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> (or busybox but you need them installed already)
[09:41] <BUGabund1> baaa
[09:41] <BUGabund1> now I read the topic!!!
[09:41] <BUGabund1> getting core dumps and seg faults
[09:42] <h3sp4wn> It won't work unless its statically linked
[09:42] <mikl> BUGabund1: yeah, me too
[09:42] <BUGabund1> still no bug on LP?
[09:42] <BUGabund1> strange
[09:42] <BUGabund1> all there are there are old
[09:42] <Raspberry> pwnguin, thanks -- I made notes to the sf.net bug in my xournal bugs I'm watching -- I see both issues mentioned in the sf notes
[09:43] <Raspberry> pwnguin, might have to have these bugs associated with the wacom drivers instead of xournal
[09:43] <savvas> aaand we're back
[09:44] <Raspberry> pwnguin, interesting http://quill.sourceforge.net/
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673
[09:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Fix released]
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> (There is 15 duplicates as well should be fixed)
[09:44] <BUGabund1> thanks h3sp4wn
[09:44] <pwnguin> Raspberry: i'd call it an "also affects"
[09:44] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'll ask Michael (cellwriter dev) about the docking issues next time I talk to him
[09:45] <pwnguin> Raspberry: ive already spoken with him a bit about it (please do ask if theres any progress); apparently the current theory is metacity allows only gnome-panel to create "struts"
[09:45] <muszek__> rebooting to live cd... wish me luck
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: not a fan of java or gestures
[09:48] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I don't see the bug registered against ubuntu anywhere... although there are a lot of wacom bugs open
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: vista added gestures and they're dumb
[09:48] <pwnguin> Raspberry: then add it ;)
[09:49] <pwnguin> it's already filed upstream thouhg
[09:49] <pwnguin> seems like duplicating work
[09:49] <Raspberry> pwnguin, interesting request bug #90451
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90451 in hal "Add Tablet PC support (patch included)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90451
[09:49] <Raspberry> it was submitted a year ago ... so maybe this year :)
[09:50] <astan> hey. is it possible to make the root fs with XFS filesystem using alternate installer?
[09:51] <pwnguin> Raspberry: you think it enables automatic rotation support?
[09:51] <Raspberry> I've used OpenSuSE it does more than that
[09:51] <Raspberry> the Pen just works by checking a box
[09:51] <pwnguin> handyh
[09:52] <Raspberry> and it knows everything about it ... and you can say this is eraser, this is right click... et al
[09:52] <ethana2> cp: omitting directory `lib'      ...why??
[09:52] <Raspberry> check out OpenSuSE 11 -- it's very cool... just updating packages is very slow
[09:52] <ethana2> i'm trying to un-bork my hardy install
[09:53] <ethana2> why does cp omit the directory?
[09:53] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I think providing better support for UMPCs, Tablets, Media Centers, et al is a good way for Linux / Ubuntu to gain marketshare... Tablets and things like that are all after-thoughts on Windows / Mac (not really supported at all) -- and so having it just work because of the modular design of linux would allow for a larger user base
[09:53] <Q-FUNK> ah. I was gonna asked if fixed libc6 packages have been uploaded... :)
[09:53] <cprov> hi, I've installed the broken libc package and rebooted (!!!) I'm using a X61, so no CD whatsoever. I can boot into the initramfs. Would it be possible to mount a pen-drive ?
[09:53] <Raspberry> pwnguin, mythtv is great for the media center...  CellWriter Xournal and other apps are great for Tablets
[09:54] <emgent> it's broken only in i386...
[09:54] <pwnguin> Raspberry: if you havent heard, Intel contracted canonical to write a UPMC version of ubuntu
[09:54] <Raspberry> pwnguin, hadn't heard -- very cool
[09:54] <Raspberry> pwnguin,  I've been working with Adobe to port Lightroom or at least get it 100% functional in WINE
[09:54] <pwnguin> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[09:55] <LeerokTheLacerta> The only thing I have to complain about is that Ubuntu doesn't run well on computers with 350Mhz and 64MB of RAM
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin,  oh ... yeah, I saw that :)  I just didn't want to play around ... since it's not a prime-time thing yet :)
[09:55] <emgent> see  https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Fix released]
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'd love to try Mobile out on a ASUS Eee PC
[09:55] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I'm waiting until the new Eee models are released next month
[09:55] <pwnguin> what's with the urgency=low on the new libc?
[09:56] <BUGabund1> is it fix released or not??
[09:56] <pwnguin> does the new eee have a tablet?
[09:56] <Raspberry> pwnguin, says critical here (importance)
[09:56] <Raspberry> pwnguin, no :(
[09:56] <pwnguin> glibc (2.7-9ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low
[09:56] <Raspberry> that's the new one
[09:56] <Raspberry> I thought
[09:56] <pwnguin> yes
[09:56] <Raspberry> that broke everything
[09:57] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:57] <ethana2> got it unborked by the guide... should work now..
[09:57] <Raspberry> I can't check, I purged my logs
[09:57] <pwnguin> i think it was -ubuntu1
[09:57] <Raspberry> er I mean my cache
[09:57] <pwnguin> lp knows
[09:57] <pwnguin> yea, this is -ubuntu2
[09:58] <pwnguin> im just curious now what the urgency line means
[09:58] <Raspberry> I just ordered a new Dell XPS One for a customer today -- so we'll see how that loks
[09:58] <Fujitsu> cprov: You might well be able to. Plug it in and see if the kernel tells you which device it is.
[09:58] <naught101> where do I find a java runtime environment in hardy? I have all of them installed (GCJ, sun5, and sun6)
[09:59] <naught101> I can find the GCJ one, but open office doesn't like it
[09:59] <Fujitsu> If not, you could make the USB flash drive bootable.
[09:59] <Raspberry> pwnguin, I've got some "load stations" on a rail guided manufacturing setup that currently run Windows CE with touch screens -- it'd be interesting to have them run Ubuntu Mobile instead because there's no support for CE anymore
[09:59] <pwnguin> heh
[09:59] <pwnguin> i doubt you can get it to run on them
[10:00] <Raspberry> I've got some custom apps that interface with the RS232 on these $750,000 machines -- it's all JAVA so it'd be nice if we could run it straight from the load stations
[10:00] <pwnguin> wince isnt quite the MID
[10:01] <Raspberry> all the WINCE stations use is IE to view a webpage hosted by the controller that displays the parts currently being machined
[10:01] <pwnguin> Raspberry: well, in the past i'd been trying it out via an second x server
[10:01] <pwnguin> you can at least see how what you'd be starting from
[10:01] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:01] <Raspberry> pwnguin, have you used KVM yet?
[10:01] <pwnguin> to switch keyboards?
[10:01] <Raspberry> no
[10:01] <Raspberry> :P
[10:01] <pwnguin> then no
[10:02] <pwnguin> im not a big fan of virtualization
[10:02] <Raspberry> Ubuntu has ditched Xen in 8.04 and is now support KVM
[10:02] <pwnguin> which apparently makes me a heretic
[10:02] <pwnguin> orly
[10:02] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:02] <Raspberry> I was going to get XEN working, but Ubuntu's Wiki says No
[10:02] <pwnguin> well, less kernel devs slaving on xen compatibility
[10:02] <pwnguin> has to be a good thing
[10:03] <heanol> no xen at all in 8.04?
[10:03] <Raspberry> i'm sure it'll still be around
[10:03] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It hasn't been ditched, it is simply not going to be officially supported. Same as Gutsy.
[10:03] <heanol> heh
[10:03] <Yacci> help! The hibernate-mode doesn't work on my laptop. It goes until a black screen but doesn't turn off power.
[10:03] <heanol> i hope it's not even more buggy than in gutsy
[10:03] <heanol> gutsy xen is buggy as hell..
[10:03] <Raspberry> yup
[10:03] <Fujitsu> heanol: WOrks fine for me. What issues do you have?
[10:03] <Raspberry> which is why I couldn't use it :)
[10:04] <cprov> Fujitsu, the kernel sees the new device connected on USB but doesn't list (lsusb) or attach it
[10:04] <heanol> Fujitsu: I have to add extra='xencons=tty' to the config-file to even get the domU to boot for example
[10:04] <muszek__> there are like 5 different solutions to libc6 problem... any suggestion non which one to choose?
[10:04] <Raspberry> I wanted to run OpenSuSE because they've got all the XEN stuff nice and packaged with a GUI, but their day-to-day interface (X) usability is horrible..
[10:04] <heanol> and change some udev/rtc-stuff every time i create a new domU with xen-create-image
[10:04] <Fujitsu> cprov: It won't automount, and lsusb probably wants some FS mounted that isn't... Does it mention sdb or something?
[10:04] <heanol> and i had to make some clock tweaks
[10:05] <Raspberry> muszek__, the one that references cp --parents
[10:05] <muszek__> "sudo dpkg --root=/path/to/mount/point --admindir=/path/to/mountpoint/var/lib/dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb" looks the prettiest...
[10:05] <heanol> echo "jiffies" > /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
[10:05] <heanol> echo 1 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock
[10:05] <heanol> like that..
[10:05] <Yacci> hm. What can I do?
[10:05] <Fujitsu> heanol: Those are easy to script around, but you have a point.
[10:05] <heanol> or the domU would hang/time go crazy
[10:05] <cprov> Fujitsu, no it just say someting was connected
[10:05] <heanol> had to turn off transmit checksum also
[10:05] <heanol> Fujitsu: indeed they are, once you figure all the tweaks out :)
[10:06] <muszek__> Raspberry: any reason why?  I'd guess that dpkg would solve things better than regular copying of files
[10:06] <Raspberry> muszek__, yeah do that then
[10:06] <henkjan> heanol: patch xen-create-image to do that
[10:06] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try mounting /dev/sdb1 somewhere, I guess. If that doesn't work, we'll have to poke further.
[10:07] <muszek__> ok
[10:07] <Raspberry> basically when I was setting everything up in XEN it seemed like it was a house of cards -- way too much tweaking
[10:07] <heanol> henkjan: sure
[10:07] <gordonjcp> I found Xen to be pretty easy to set up
[10:07] <heanol> i'm not saying it's a hard problem to work around once you _know_ what to work around
[10:07] <heanol> but setting it up the first time was quite hard
[10:07] <Raspberry> gordonjcp, in Ubuntu?
[10:07] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: It's very stable for me, and I only needed one change to get things working.
[10:08] <heanol> who knows what new kind of tweaks are needed when i upgrade the server to hardy..
[10:08] <henkjan> heanol: i suffered the same issues with gutsy
[10:08] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, interesting
[10:08] <ethana2> ok, i went in at it from a livecd
[10:08] <gordonjcp> I especially liked how once it was going, I could just create a new Xen machine and it would create appropriate LVM slices for the disk
[10:08] <pwnguin> Raspberry: it's been committed upstream
[10:08] <secretlondon> thanks for the libc note, so even -9 borked?
[10:08] <pwnguin> (the hal stuff)
[10:08] <ethana2> rebooted, and it still didn't like me
[10:08] <cprov> Fujistsu, nah it doesn't work (tried several devices)
[10:08] <Fujitsu> The IO and CPU load on one system is very high, but it works fine.
[10:08] <ethana2> i replaced libc6 and libc6-i686 with safe files
[10:09] <henkjan> heanol: just stay with your dom0 at gutsy and only use hardy in your domU's
[10:09] <ethana2> merging and replacing all, from out of a two .deb files
[10:09] <heanol> henkjan: that's a good idea actually
[10:09] <heanol> how long will gutsy be supported?
[10:09] <ethana2> ....it still wouldn't boot
[10:09] <henkjan> heanol: thats what i'm gonna do
[10:09] <Fujitsu> cprov: Grumble.
[10:09] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try modprobing usb_storage
[10:10] <henkjan> i'm using my dom0 only to control domU's. No other services running on it (exept ssh ofcourse ;) )
[10:10] <ethana2> the guide said to check if it was okay by chroot /media/disk
[10:10] <ethana2> ...it said it couldn't load /bin/bash because of permissions
[10:10] <ethana2> i rebooted anyway
[10:10] <Fujitsu> ethana2: The live CD may have mounted the FS noexec for no particularly good reason.
[10:10] <ethana2> Fujitsu: oh, ok
[10:11] <orvokki> Can't you just unmount and remount it then?
[10:11] <Fujitsu> In which case it should be fine.
[10:11] <Fujitsu> orvokki: Or without the unmounting step, yeah.
[10:11] <ethana2> i rebooted back onto the livecd...
[10:11] <orvokki> Right.
[10:11] <ethana2> i'll try to mount it now
[10:11] <magnetron> hi! i tried to boot the haldy alpha 6 cd in Qemu, but it drops down to a Busybox Ash shell. is there any known workaround?
[10:11] <orvokki> Btw, what's with that libc6 thing?
[10:12] <Raspberry> any suggestions on fixing this screen brightness problem with my Laptop LCD
[10:12] <Fujitsu> orvokki: Hardy's current libc6 is horribly broken.
[10:12] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: Wait, as it's known.
[10:12] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, k :P
[10:12] <naught101> Raspberry: does it work by clicking on the battery monitor?
[10:12] <Raspberry> no
[10:12] <pwnguin> it's a known bug; is anyone assigned to it?
[10:13] <ethana2> Fujitsu: it mounted it the same way i guess then
[10:13] <muszek__> sudo dpkg --root=/media/disk --admindir=/media/disk/var/lib/dpkg -i libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[10:13] <muszek__> dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `mt-daapd' in statoverride file
[10:13] <ethana2> how do i allow it to execute?
[10:13] <Raspberry> hmm
[10:13] <Raspberry> it's brigher now
[10:13] <Raspberry> I moved the brightness applet all the way up to the top and then backlight shut off after 20 min while it was idle
[10:13] <Raspberry> and now when I wiggled the mouse to tweak it again the brightness is up
[10:13] <muszek__> any help?
[10:13] <Raspberry> but I can't adjust it
[10:14] <Raspberry> i'll move it all the way back to the lowest setting and let it idle and see if it'll be dim in 20 min
[10:14] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Argh.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> muszek__: adduser mt-daapd
[10:14] <Fujitsu> On the live CD.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> That should fix it.
[10:14] <Fujitsu> I hope.
[10:14] <cprov> Fujitsu, slightly better, it attached to a block device, but no mounting yet
[10:14] <muszek__> Fujitsu: oko
[10:15] <Fujitsu> cprov: It might not have a partition table, in which case you'll need to mount the raw device.
[10:15] <ethana2> Fujitsu: how do I allow binaries on the partition to be executed?
[10:15] <Fujitsu> ethana2: Mount it without the noexec option.
[10:15] <Fujitsu> mount -o remount /path/to/wherever
[10:15] <ethana2> oh, ok
[10:15] <Fujitsu> remount means you can change the options without unmounting first.
[10:16] <Raspberry> I've been keeping notes of everything I change from the standard Ubuntu Install to get the X61t / Tablet working so once Hardy is released I should have a pretty comprehensive document
[10:16] <Fujitsu> Raspberry: That'd be great to have on the wiki.
[10:16] <Raspberry> I need to shoot an email over to a friend of mine @ IBM and find out how to get the WiFi light working...
[10:16] <muszek__> Fujitsu: http://pastebin.us/?show=m2ed9eb6e <-- could you  please help me?
[10:16] <henkjan>  6142 henkjan   20   0  511m 282m 5116 S  2.0 27.9   1:14.71 evolution-data-
[10:16] <Raspberry> Fujitsu, I just made a bunch of changes to my notes as the 3d stuff was fixed
[10:17] <henkjan> why is evolution-data-server so memory hungry
[10:17] <muszek__> Fujitsu: should I force it somehow?
[10:17] <henkjan> i'm not even using evolution
[10:17] <Raspberry> henkjan, but you should be :P
[10:17] <henkjan> Raspberry: i'm happy with mutt :)
[10:17] <orvokki> Fujitsu: I think I personally like eTM_'s solution to that fixing that breakage. :)
[10:17] <ethana2> Fujitsu: didn't seem to work
[10:18] <Raspberry> ouch ... since I updated to the latest X intel drivers now the system restarted into bulletproof :P
[10:18] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Try to use dpkg to remove libc6-i686 first.
[10:18] <ethana2> Fujitsu: mount -o remount /media/disk
[10:18] <Raspberry> I think I'll try a restart
[10:18] <ethana2> Fujitsu: permission is still denied to execut
[10:18] <Fujitsu> ethana2: You'll probably need to specify /path/to/your/device as well.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> ethana2: Ah, damn.
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Try -o remount, exec
[10:19] <ethana2> k
[10:19] <ethana2> Fujitsu: wow, it still doesn't like it
[10:22] <cprov> Fujitsu, depite of being recognized as sdb1 it can't be mounted. Could it be because it's a vfat disk ?
[10:23] <cprov> Fujitsu, do I need any extra k modules to mount vfat ?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> cprov: Could be. There'll be a module for that, but it might not be in the initramfs :(
[10:23] <Fujitsu> cprov: Try modprobing vfat, but it may well not be there.
[10:23] <cprov> vfat & fat are installed, though
[10:23] <muszek__> Fujitsu: ubuntu-minimal depends on libc6-i686. (can't remove)
[10:24] <Fujitsu> cprov: Hummm.
[10:24] <Fujitsu> muszek__: Bah. Just copy the files over manually, I guess.
[10:24] <muszek__> Fujitsu: roger
[10:25] <cprov> Fujitsu, `cfdisk /dev/sdb` fails ... it might indicate something
[10:26] <Fujitsu> cprov: Is cfdisk actually in the initramfs, though?
[10:26] <ethana3> alright, on freenode on both machines now...
[10:26] <Shoopuf> I have an install CD for Ubuntu 7.10... Can I download a minimal update package to upgrade it to 8.04 ALPHA? Or do I have to download the entire ALPHA install CD?
[10:26] <cprov> Fujitsu, yes :)
[10:27] <Ng> Shoopuf: upgrading 7.10 or downloading the alpha install CD won't be hugely different in size, in terms of the downoad
[10:27] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -o remount, exec /media/disk      ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/disk      chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[10:28] <Fujitsu> cprov: You sure it's sdb?
[10:28] <ethana2> Fujitsu: what do you make of that?
[10:28] <bazhang> is there a minimal installer for Hardy; or will that only be after final release?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> ethana2: You didn't manage to chmod -x /bin/bash at some point, did you?
[10:28] <Fujitsu> bazhang: The alternate installer, you mean?
[10:29] <ethana2> I don't believe so....
[10:29] <bazhang> Fujitsu: nah the 9MB or so minimal iso
[10:29] <cprov> Fujitsu, the kernel message says so
[10:29] <ethana3> chmod +x /media/disk/bin/bash
[10:29] <ethana3> can't hurt anything, right?
[10:29] <Fujitsu> cprov: Do you know if it is meant to have a prtition table?
[10:30] <Fujitsu> ethana2: That can't kill anything, no.
[10:30] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chmod +x /media/disk/bin/bash        ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media/disk            chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[10:30] <cprov> Fujitsu, it mounts fine in the mac I'm using right now
[10:31] <Fujitsu> cprov: Right, but it would have determined that itself...
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Mounting neither sdb nor sdb1 gives useful errors?
[10:32] <cprov> FUjitsu, no, if it does they seem to be eaten by dash
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Nothing logged to the console (dmesg)?
[10:33] <bazhang> Shoopuf: just checking if there is a minimal installer--is that what you wanted or did you want the whole thing: you can do update-manager -d for that via the net if you wish
[10:34] <cprov> yes, `dmesg` says it's sdb ... no errors
[10:35] <cprov> FUjitsu, am I missing futher usb modules ? `lsmod | grep usb` lists only usb_storage, libusual, scsi_mod and usbcore
[10:35] <ethana3> Fujitsu: ...how is this even possible?  Do you know?
[10:35] <Fujitsu> I'm thoroughly confused, then. In this situation, I'd normally remove the harddisk and fix it on another system, but you likely don't have the hardware to do that for a laptop drive.
[10:35] <Shoopuf> bazhang: It's alright, I've started downloading alpha although it will take a while. :P
[10:35] <Fujitsu> cprov: If it can see it as sdb, I doubt you could need any more.
[10:36] <bazhang> Shoopuf: ah okay; nice to see you join the club ;]
[10:39] <ethana3> Fujitsu: stumped?
[10:40] <Shoopuf> bazhang: Thanks. :P Finally could afford a large stack of DVD-Rs, so backing everythin up then gonna nosedive back into Ubuntu.
[10:40] <Fujitsu> ethana3: I've no idea, I'm afraid.
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Anyhow, you don't really need to chroot. It's just for testing, AFAICS.
[10:41] <ethana3> Well when i booted it failed
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Failed how?
[10:41] <ethana3> the orange bar stopped dead
[10:41] <ethana3> as did the rest of the machine
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Take splash and quiet out of the GRUB commandline, and see what it does.
[10:41] <ethana3> ...quite as if libc wasn't present and nothing could proceed
[10:42] <ethana3> uh, ok
[10:42] <ethana3> just a minute
[10:42] <dennda> Hi
[10:43] <ethana2> rebooting...
[10:43] <savvas> I just posted my version of fixing the libc6 problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506738&postcount=75
[10:43] <dennda> Is this SCIM-thing going to be included by default in final hardy?
[10:43] <savvas> hopefully I'll help some poor chap :P
[10:43] <Fujitsu> cprov: If you really can't get it to mount at all, you might have to either find a USB CD drive, or make your USB flash drive bootable, I'm afraid.
[10:43] <orvokki> savvas: The solution on page two didn't work?
[10:43] <Ng> dennda: see bug 199030
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199030 in scim "Can't close SCIM" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199030
[10:43] <savvas> orvokki: no, I had problems with udev/vol_id
[10:44] <orvokki> Hmm.
[10:44] <ethana2> oh wow, kernel panic
[10:44] <savvas> and broken package installs
[10:44] <orvokki> savvas: Imo there should be a minibootstrap script just for this use included with alpha and beta cd's.
[10:44] <ethana2> permission was denied to run-init for /sbin/init
[10:44] <ethana2> how the heck....
[10:45] <Fujitsu> ethana2: What on *earth* did you do to your filesystem?
[10:45] <orvokki> savvas: Which would use a prefixed apt and try to downgrade the system.
[10:45] <ethana2> *slaps forehead*
[10:45] <ethana2> manually installed libc6 .deb's from a livecd
[10:45] <ethana2> ...merge all , replace all
[10:46] <ethana2> dumped the data parts from the debs into /
[10:46] <orvokki> savvas: That way you could use the apt database on hard disk even though you are unable to chroot.
[10:46] <dennda> thanks, Ng
[10:46] <dennda> this thing is *really* annoying
[10:46] <ethana2> ...the .deb's are on the ubuntu forums thread...
[10:46] <ethana2> ok, well, the fix should be simple, right?
[10:47] <ethana2> chmod +x everything in $PATH
[10:47] <ethana2> rebooting back onto livecd
[10:47] <savvas> orvokki: i fixed it using chroot
[10:47] <savvas> orvokki: but you're probably right about the script
[10:49] <orvokki> savvas: Well, I heard someone couldn't even chroot with the libc6 problems.
[10:49] <orvokki> So we need someething close to foolproof.
[10:49] <Turski> hi
[10:49] <orvokki> Prefixed apt-fix could be just that.
[10:49] <Turski> i got a "little" problem
[10:49] <Turski> #
[10:49] <Turski> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:49] <Turski> sorry
[10:49] <Turski> wrong paste
[10:49] <orvokki> Rather use pastebin.
[10:49] <Turski> http://pastebin.com/d767902e5
[10:50] <orvokki> Oh, you did. :)
[10:50] <Turski> problem is down there
[10:50] <Turski> yeh ;)
[10:50] <Joelio> hey guys, just ran and upgrade and it's hosed my glibc
[10:51] <Turski> Joelio: mee too
[10:51] <orvokki> Turski: A guess: libc6 botching that's also in the topic?
[10:51] <Turski> looks like that...
[10:52] <Joelio> is it going to be a case of live cd, chroot, make sure the package has been fixed, apt-get update again; upgrade
[10:52] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4506738&postcount=75 the fix
[10:52] <bazhang> Joelio: and Turski
[10:52] <Turski> ok
[10:54] <Turski> but why the hell that package is there?
[10:55] <bazhang> youre welcome Turski
[10:56] <Joelio> bazhang: cheers
[10:56] <bazhang> no worries Joelio ;]
[10:57] <ethana3> Fujitsu: sudo chmod +x /sbin -R
[10:57] <ethana3> will that make all files within /sbin executable
[10:57] <ethana3> ?
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Why were they unexecutable in the first place?
[10:58] <Fujitsu> ethana3: ^^
[10:58] <ethana3> I have no idea at all
[10:59] <ethana3> ok, i touched the machine
[10:59] <ethana3> i'm magical
[10:59] <ethana3> ....so.  will that do it?
[10:59] <Fujitsu> It should.
[10:59] <ethana3> ok
[11:00] <ethana3> here I go, wish me luck
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Good luck!
[11:00] <ethana3> ..someone else's luck I mean
[11:00] <ethana3> yeah, ok, that may work ;)
[11:01] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:/media/disk$ sudo chmod +x /media/disk/sbin -R
[11:01] <ethana3> It didn't complain.. onto the rest of $PATH
[11:03] <Yacci> Now, I need help!
[11:03] <Yacci> The buttons on the upper Panel are very confused.
[11:04] <ethana3> *sigh* ...rebooting
[11:04] <vistakiller> i just update kubuntu
[11:04] <vistakiller> the new tool desktop effects it seems is not working correct
[11:04] <Yacci> i tried strg+alt+backspace several times but it just went more and more chaotic
[11:05] <savvas> they're building the new libc6 :)
[11:05] <ethana2> ok...  i hope this works....
[11:05] <ethana2> yeah, i know not to complain about /firefox/ anymore
[11:05] <ethana2> heh
[11:05] <Yacci> hm... restart
[11:06] <vistakiller> i have lost and my alt+f2 is not working now
[11:06] <savvas> I hope yacci knows how to panic during a kernel panic
[11:06] <savvas> :p
[11:07] <ethana2> same exact kernel panic
[11:07] <GatoLoko^> hi
[11:07] <cprov> Fujitsu, no way to mount that... I'm really in serious trouble.
[11:07] <ethana2> good gosh, what /have/ i done?
[11:08]  * ethana2 sobs
[11:08] <ethana2> that was my machine with the two seats!
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Two systems I can't fix :( Damn.
[11:08] <ethana2> ...and pulseaudio set up to give each user one speaker
[11:08] <rsk> is the new glibc just built, fixed ?
[11:08] <secretlondon> libc6 has been released I think according to the bug anyway
[11:08] <ethana2> ...time to grab conf files, where does userful keep it's xorg.conf?
[11:08] <secretlondon> takes time to get to the mirrors etc
[11:08] <rsk> 2.7-9ubuntu2
[11:08] <Fujitsu> cprov: How'd you install Ubuntu on it in the first place? We can hopefully abuse that method to fix it.
[11:08] <savvas> Fujitsu: still the libc6 bug?
[11:08] <Fujitsu> rsk: It failed to build, unfortunately.
[11:09] <Fujitsu> savvas: Yes.
[11:09] <savvas> Fujitsu: can't boot in 2.6.24-12 kernel ? :)
[11:09] <secretlondon> Fujitsu: :(
[11:09] <Fujitsu> savvas: That's nothing to do with the glibc issue.
[11:09] <cprov> Fujitsu, via a ubuntu-live pen-drive
[11:10] <Fujitsu> cprov: That's what I suspected. That'd work, if you can obtain or create one.
[11:10] <cprov> Fujitsu, when I use to have a machine running ubuntu :(
[11:10] <unggnu> hi all
[11:10] <savvas> Fujitsu: what's the problem then? can't boot from a live cd?
[11:10] <Fujitsu> I'm still entirely mystified as to why it's not mounting.
[11:10] <unggnu> Since some days I have problems with login
[11:10] <Fujitsu> savvas: They're not my machines. I speak of cprov's and ethana2's.
[11:10] <unggnu> Login works but I can only see and move a mouse on a black screen
[11:10] <savvas> oh
[11:10] <unggnu> this happens with vesa driver too so it is no nvidia problem
[11:11] <secretlondon> unggnu we have a bug on that just now
[11:11] <unggnu> but my Hardy installaton with Intel driver works fine
[11:11] <unggnu> secretlondon, cool, could you post the link?
[11:11] <ethana2> Fujitsu: if there's anyone out there that's cocky, direct them to me
[11:11] <savvas> ethana2: still there? suffering from the libc6 problem?
[11:11] <secretlondon> unggnu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201746
[11:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201746 in ubuntu "Since last upgrade yesterday, after booting the sistem (everything normal including sound), I can't see the desktop. Amd64 Nvidia Gforce" [Undecided,New]
[11:11] <ethana2> that my predicament may humble them
[11:11] <ethana2> yes
[11:11] <ethana2> ...actually, i'm suffering from, shall we say....
[11:12] <ethana2> a /severely compounded/ libc6 problem
[11:12] <unggnu> secretlondon, thanks
[11:12] <savvas> ethana2: reboot the machine in live mode, let's try again together
[11:12] <ethana2> oh, ok
[11:12] <secretlondon> unngnu: needs more info etc etc
[11:12] <ethana2> booting off livecd...
[11:13] <Fujitsu> ethana2: I'm very impressed at what you managed. I've never seen such a thing done before :P
[11:13] <savvas> ethana2: connect it to irc again, run gnome terminal and: uname -a
[11:13] <YazzY> glibc issue fixed
[11:13] <ethana2> Fujitsu: thanks!
[11:13] <YazzY> freakin morons shouldnt have commited broken libs
[11:13] <secretlondon> oi code of conduct
[11:14] <ethana2> YazzY: be nice.. ;)
[11:14] <ethana2> they were just doing such an awesome job we forgot this was alpha
[11:14] <ethana2> that's all
[11:14] <secretlondon> indeed
[11:14] <savvas> YazzY: the problem is that it's alpha, you're the tester :)
[11:14] <YazzY> the problem is someone should have done some basic testing before commiting
[11:15] <savvas> you did it
[11:15] <YazzY> the commiter tests his work before spreading it
[11:15] <Fujitsu> YazzY: They likely did. It may have a been built slightly differently on the developer's machine.
[11:15] <YazzY> this is normal
[11:15] <unggnu> secretlondon, Do you have created the bug report?
[11:15] <Fujitsu> If they had LDFLAGS set (which is not at all inconceivable), the bug would not have appeared.
[11:15] <YazzY> well, its fixed
[11:15] <savvas> I don't see a problem here, apart from sloppy fingers that apt-get upgrade without waiting a bit
[11:16] <secretlondon> unggnu: its not my bug, just saw it in -bugs-announce
[11:16] <Fujitsu> As the buildds don't have a custom LDFLAGS, the bug appears.
[11:16] <unggnu> secretlondon, ok, thx
[11:16] <unggnu> many information missing but I will try
[11:16] <unggnu> I am not sure which is the reason
[11:17] <secretlondon> if you have it too then it may be interesting
[11:18] <r3boot> OMGWTFBBQ, libc6 is hosed :X ;P (already fixed it, j/k ;)
[11:18] <savvas> ethana3: uname -a
[11:18] <ethana3> k
[11:19] <ethana3> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ uname -a        Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:19] <savvas> ethana3: mkdir $HOME/aptfiles && cd $HOME/aptfiles
[11:20] <secretlondon> unggnu: if its a common bug then we may have a better report anyway, 1 para bug reports are pretty hard going..
[11:20] <ethana3> k
[11:20] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110565/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:20] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110566/libc6-dev_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:20] <ethana3> it's working on them now...
[11:21] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110569/libc6-i686_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:21] <savvas> aye
[11:21] <ethana3> one down, working on two
[11:22] <ethana3> two down, working on three
[11:22] <savvas> ethana3: while it's downloading: sudo mkdir /media/disk
[11:23] <ethana3> it's done...
[11:23] <savvas> what's your root partition?
[11:23] <ethana3> savvas: i have not mounted that partition yet; should I?
[11:23] <ethana3> oh, it's uh..
[11:23] <savvas> ethana3: no, what's the /dev/ of your root partition?
[11:23] <ethana3> i only know it's size
[11:23] <savvas> ethana3: gksu gparted
[11:23] <ethana3> 170-something GB
[11:23] <ethana3> k
[11:24] <ethana3> /dev/sda3
[11:25] <savvas> ethana3: sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/disk
[11:25] <ethana3> mount: mount point /media/disk does not exist
[11:25] <savvas> you're jumping off commands?
[11:25] <savvas> 12:22:51 < savvas> ethana3: while it's downloading: sudo mkdir /media/disk
[11:26] <ethana3> ok, second..
[11:26] <ethana3> mounted
[11:26] <ethana3> sorry, temporary confusion
[11:26] <savvas> ethana3: ls /media/disk
[11:26] <savvas> you see something like: bin    dev   initrd          lib    lost+found  opt   sbin  tmp  vmlinuz ?
[11:27] <ethana3> yes
[11:27] <savvas> ok great
[11:27] <savvas> the downloads are over?
[11:27] <ethana3> yes
[11:27] <savvas> mkdir $HOME/apttemp && cd $HOME/apttemp
[11:28] <ethana3> k
[11:28] <savvas> cp $HOME/aptfiles/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb ./
[11:28] <ethana3> k
[11:28] <savvas> ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:28] <savvas> tar xzf data.tar.gz
[11:29] <savvas> rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:29] <savvas> oops
[11:29] <savvas> ethana3: rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:29] <ethana3> tar: data.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[11:29] <savvas> uhm
[11:29] <savvas> 12:28:41 < savvas> ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:29] <ethana3> hold on..
[11:29] <savvas> ok i'll wait for confirmation on each command
[11:30] <ethana3> yes please do
[11:30] <savvas> ar done?
[11:31] <ethana3> i think so
[11:31] <savvas> did it mention data.tar.gz in the output?
[11:31] <ethana3> ok, confused
[11:31] <ethana3> sorry for my incompetence, let me figure out what i did here
[11:32] <savvas> ethana3: let's start over: cd $HOME && sudo rm -rf $HOME/apttemp
[11:32] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> now: mkdir $HOME/apttemp && cd $HOME/apttemp
[11:33] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> and: cp $HOME/aptfiles/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb ./
[11:33]  * kjetilkWork wishes he joined the channel before upgrading...
[11:33] <ethana3> done
[11:33] <savvas> ethana3: check if the libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb is there: ls ./
[11:34] <ethana3> it is.
[11:34] <dennda> Which package contains the "splash" you see when starting up the desktop-cd? (The thing with the countdown. "Start Ubuntu without altering your Hardware"). I want to translate it
[11:34] <savvas> ethana3: ar vx libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:34] <savvas> dennda: usplash maybe
[11:34] <ethana3> done, three files
[11:34] <savvas> dennda: ah sorry, don't know about that
[11:35] <savvas> ethana3: tar xzf data.tar.gz
[11:35] <dennda> me neither :)
[11:35] <ethana3> done
[11:35] <savvas> ethana3: rm data.tar.gz libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz
[11:35] <ethana3> done
[11:36] <savvas> ethana3: sudo cp -R ./* /media/disk/
[11:36] <ethana3> done
[11:36] <savvas> ethana3: sudo cp $HOME/aptfiles/*.deb /media/disk/
[11:36] <ethana3> done
[11:37] <unggnu> secretlondon, Do you know a gdm bug which prevents gdm from login if the user directory is empty? :)
[11:37] <savvas> ethana3: check if the 3 deb files are in: ls /media/disk/*.deb
[11:37] <unggnu> secretlondon, btw. I have added much data, maybe you know what could be interesting too?
[11:37] <ethana3> 3 deb files are there.
[11:37] <savvas> ethana3: sudo -i
[11:37] <secretlondon> unggnu: I don't, I'll have a look
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: mount -o bind /dev /media/disk/dev
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: mount -o bind /proc /media/disk/proc
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <ethana3> hold up
[11:38] <unggnu> secretlondon, many thanks
[11:38] <savvas> ok :)
[11:38] <ethana3> both done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: cp /proc/mounts /media/disk/etc/mtab
[11:38] <ethana3> done
[11:38] <savvas> ethana3: chroot /media/disk/ /bin/bash
[11:39]  * savvas crosses fingers
[11:39] <ethana3> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied
[11:39] <savvas> ethana3: ls -l /bin/bash
[11:40] <ethana3> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 701776 Feb  9 03:55 /bin/bash
[11:41] <savvas> ethana3: which live cd are you using?
[11:41] <ethana3> hardy alpha.. 5
[11:41] <savvas> that's the one i have
[11:41] <savvas> hm..
[11:42] <savvas> ethana3: echo $USER
[11:42] <ethana3> root
[11:42] <savvas> ethana3: bash --version
[11:43] <ethana3> GNU bash, version 3.2.33(1)-release (i486-pc-linux-gnu)
[11:43] <ethana3> Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[11:43] <savvas> give me a sec
[11:43] <ethana3> k
[11:43]  * ethana3 gets a drink, brb
[11:44]  * ethana3 is back
[11:44] <savvas> ethana3: exit
[11:45] <ethana3> k
[11:45] <ethana3> done
[11:45] <savvas> ethana3: cd $HOME/aptfiles
[11:45] <ethana3> done
[11:45] <savvas> ethana3: apt-cache policy bash | grep Installed
[11:46] <ethana3>   Installed: 3.2-0ubuntu14
[11:46] <savvas> ethana3: wget http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:46] <ethana3> downloading...
[11:47] <ethana3> done
[11:47] <savvas> ethana3: dpkg -i bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:47] <savvas> er
[11:47] <savvas> ethana3: sudo dpkg -i bash_3.2-0ubuntu15_i386.deb
[11:47] <ethana3> er
[11:47] <savvas> :)
[11:47] <ethana3> k...
[11:47] <Pici> can I ask something silly? What exactly are you two trying to install/do?
[11:47] <ethana3> i just want out of hades
[11:48] <savvas> Pici: fixing his bash so that i can make him chroot
[11:48] <savvas> should we go privately?
[11:48] <Pici> savvas: okay, just curious
[11:48] <ethana3> probably
[11:48] <unggnu> secretlondon, I have found the solution/problem :(
[11:48] <secretlondon> unggnu: cool, but :(
[11:48] <savvas> ok private it is :p
[11:48] <secretlondon> just amd64?
[11:49] <unggnu> secretlondon, because it was easy. Through some dist-upgrade some gnome packages have been removed. sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should fixes it
[11:49] <secretlondon> ah
[11:49] <savvas> ethana3: you got my private message?
[11:50] <unggnu> awkward :)
[11:50] <darrend> what's the issue with this "scim" keyboard switcher in the panel??  Why can I not get rid of it?
[11:50] <ethana3> yes
[11:50] <hypatia> Re the topic, libc6 2.7-9ubuntu1 and libc6-i686 2.7-9ubuntu1 are still perfectly downloadable from mirrors, in particular au.archive.ubuntu.com.
[11:50] <savvas> ok
[11:50] <ethana3> i responded also
[11:50] <ethana3> twice
[11:50] <savvas> ethana3: ah you haven't registered?
[11:51] <ethana3> oh, my other machine has my 'real' nick
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> Hey, I have an Intel HDA card, and during some upgrade between when I installed hardy and now, sound stopped working
[11:51] <ethana3> this is my incremented one...  i'm logged in at two locations
[11:51] <darrend> and why does it appear to need 9 processes on my machine?
[11:51] <savvas> give it a quick pass :P
[11:51] <ethana3> logging out on other machine
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> card still shows up and everything, and appears to be responding, but generates no sound
[11:51] <savvas> ok
[11:51] <darrend> this is almost microsoft-esque
[11:51] <Armored_Azrae1> Any known issues or information I should look for?
[11:51] <unggnu> secretlondon, What is the package association for upgrade problems?
[11:51] <ethana3> brb, k?
[11:51] <savvas> ok
[11:52] <secretlondon> unggnu: update-manager
[11:52] <secretlondon> but probs caused by dist-upgrades in alpha releases may not be bugs
[11:52] <unggnu> secretlondon, thx
[11:52] <unggnu> secretlondon, I know, just that it have a package associaton
[11:52]  * secretlondon nods
[11:55] <Armored_Azrae1> Nevermind. Friend jammed a sawed off plug into it, and I didn't notice. Sorry bout that
[12:00] <astan> where can i find the kernel configuration file for the default kernel in hardy?
[12:06] <Turski> chroot didn't work when i tried to fix libc from livecd
[12:06] <Turski> but i copied the files from package to my root partition
[12:07] <Turski> however now it's complaining something about malloc if i try to open terminal
[12:08] <Turski> it complained something about malloc also when i tried chroot
[12:09] <Turski> what i can do?
[12:09]  * Dr_willis thinks hes going to wait a week befor updating... :)
[12:09] <hypatia> Turski: Which package did you copy? I had to do dpkg -x from both libc and libc-i686.
[12:10] <Turski> i copied only libc
[12:11] <Turski> hm, i if fixed version would come soon into repos, it vould be possible to upgrade that with adeps...
[12:11] <Turski> adept*
[12:12] <Turski> or is there graphical way to install .debs?
[12:12] <Turski> since i cant use command line :S
[12:12] <Dr_willis> If you cant use the command line.. there may be deeper issues going on
[12:13] <Turski> yeh...
[12:13] <hypatia> In the Live CD, you can use dpkg -x something.deb /mnt/whereeveryourmountedroot to unpack a .deb
[12:13] <Turski> that's true, but i managed to start irssi with alt+f2 :)
[12:13] <ConstyXIV> does evolution in hardy have IMAP push?
[12:13] <Dr_willis> try alt-f3 and see if ya can get another terminal then perhaps.
[12:14] <Turski> huh?
[12:14] <Dr_willis> You should be able to get to a terminal/login on alt-f1 through f6
[12:14] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f1 throug F6 if running X at the time. :)
[12:14] <Turski> i'm not thalkin about ctrl+alt+f*
[12:15] <bazhang> heh
[12:15] <Turski> they are not working
[12:15] <Pici> Turski: Are you on the live cd?
[12:15] <Turski> no
[12:15] <Dr_willis> consoles not working.,.. or are just graphicaly gibberish?
[12:15] <Dr_willis> i always disable the framebuffer  for my console-kung-fu-needs :)
[12:15] <Turski> Dr_willis: i said that it complains something about malloc and quits
[12:16] <Dr_willis> thats really weird that the console login isent working.. but the X login does.
[12:16] <Turski> yeh
[12:16] <Dr_willis> as in REALLY REALLY weird.
[12:17] <JDahl> I've been bitten by a weird keyboard layout error; I think it's been mentioned in here lately.  Is there a manual way to fix it?
[12:18] <Turski> malloc: ../ash/subst.c:3472: assertion botched
[12:18] <JDahl> ie,  how do I get an english alphabet again?
[12:18] <Dr_willis> Turski,   ash? Hmm thats a alternative shell i thought..
[12:18] <Dr_willis> dident even think it wqs installed by default on ubuntu
[12:19] <Turski> Dr_willis: there should be b
[12:20] <Dr_willis> !info ash
[12:20] <ubotu> ash (source: dash): compatibility package for dash. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-8ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 21 kB, installed size 72 kB
[12:20] <Turski> just typoed
[12:20] <Dr_willis> or i could be miss-reading that error.. Hmm
[12:20] <Dr_willis> ash compatiablty package for dash.. interesting.
[12:20] <Dr_willis> so can you get to a terminal under X with xterm, or gnome-terminal or so forth?
[12:22] <Turski> nope, it says that malloc error too
[12:22] <Turski> but when i opened irssi directly with alt+f2 to konsole it opened
[12:25] <JDahl> noone else has a completely screwed up keyboard/language in gnome?
[12:26] <Dr_willis> try alt-f2  'xterm -e  bash'
[12:27] <Dr_willis> actually.. with irssi , you an run arbitary shell commands also. :)
[12:27] <Dr_willis> so in theory you could do a /exec sudo apt-get install somthing
[12:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:29] <Turski> aha, if i run all commands from alt+f2, they work
[12:29] <Turski> just sudo do thath and it does
[12:29] <Turski> :)
[12:29] <Dr_willis> alt-f2 xterm dont work tho?
[12:30] <Turski> actually i dont have xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis>  /exec sudo apt-get install xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[12:31] <cprov> hi, guys, I'm trying to recover from the libc disaster but I don't seem to be able to mount a pen-drive (with the old package) inside the initramfs. Can someone help me ?
[12:31] <Dr_willis> or rxvt.
[12:31] <Turski> why i should install xterm
[12:31] <Dr_willis> xterm isent installed by default? thats.. weird
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !info xterm
[12:31] <ubotu> xterm (source: xterm): X terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 229-1 (hardy), package size 444 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[12:31] <Dr_willis> Thats almost... blasphmy!
[12:31] <Turski> i know that it's terminal emulator
[12:31] <Dr_willis> !info rxvt
[12:31] <ubotu> rxvt (source: rxvt): VT102 terminal emulator for the X Window System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.6.4-12 (hardy), package size 196 kB, installed size 556 kB
[12:31] <Turski> im not stupid, but i have zillion terminal emulators so wwhy xterm?
[12:32] <cprov> Fujitsu already helped me to get the pen-drive recognized by the kernel, it's sdb1 but this node is missing from /dev/, how can I create it manually ?
[12:32] <Dr_willis>  its much smaller memory wise then konsole or gnometerminal
[12:32] <Dr_willis> rxvt is smaller still
[12:32] <Dr_willis> a zillion? I can only think of 6 :)
[12:32] <Turski> Dr_willis: omg, i have only 2Gb of memory
[12:32] <Fujitsu> cprov: Another solution has popped up, as it turns out.
[12:32] <Turski> will konsole eat all?
[12:32] <Dr_willis> Turski,  do whatever you want then.. i dont care.. i was helpong you troubleshoot..
[12:32] <Dr_willis> guess i wont try any more. :)
[12:32] <Turski> Dr_willis: i just cant understand what would xterm help
[12:33] <Dr_willis> how to you launch gnome-terminal to make it spawn a differnt shell from the command line?
[12:33] <Turski> it doesnt matter what terminal emulator i use
[12:33] <tamarind> has the libc6 bug been fixed? It still shows up on the update list?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> Im not sure it can. xterm -e will.
[12:33] <Turski> huh?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> actually that would be handy.. to spawn a gnome terminal with differnt programs in each shell..
[12:33] <Fujitsu> cprov: Boot the kernel with break=bottom, so you get your root filesystem mounted. Then 'cp /lib/libc.so.6 /root/lib/libc-2.7.so'
[12:34] <Turski> and i am using kde
[12:34] <Pici> tamarind: I believe they are blocking it now.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> cprov: That'll copy the (hopefully good) libc6 from the initramfs.
[12:34] <Dr_willis> im not sure konsole can do it either..  I need to look into that someday.
[12:34] <tamarind> Pici: Ok.
[12:34] <cprov> Fujitsu ...great, let me try
[12:34] <Turski> i ran sudo dpkg -i --force-downgrade /libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb from alt+f2
[12:34] <Pici> tamarind: ah, and the /topic already says so too
[12:35] <Dr_willis> Gotta love good topics.
[12:36]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the ubuntun brainstorms at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[12:36] <Turski> trying to boot now
[12:36] <Turski> ah, not need to
[12:36] <Turski> terminal works
[12:38] <Turski> then just waiting for fixed package
[12:39] <cprov> Fujitsu, looks like I also need s/ro/rw in the kernel cmdline
[12:40] <Fujitsu> cprov: I thought breaking at bottom would do that, but you might need to do it manually.
[12:40] <cprov> Fujitsu, I have a shell :)
[12:41] <Fujitsu> cprov: A shell with a writable root?
[12:42] <cvw> Hrm, I wonder if the topic has anything to do with my problem.  Last night I my usual aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade, then later I shutdown the computer and went to bed.  This morning it doesn't boot.  I can get into busybox but that's a whole new environment for me.  Is theer a FAQ, link, anything that can help get the computer working properly again?
[12:42] <cprov> Fujitsu, slightly better, I shell in my account
[12:42] <Fujitsu> cprov: Oh, good :)
[12:42] <cprov> Fujitsu, the problem is that sudo is still broken, and I can't mount my pen-drive :(
[12:43] <Fujitsu> cprov: bash runs OK, though?
[12:43] <cprov> yes, it does
[12:43] <Fujitsu> Then recovery mode should work, so you can get a root shell.
[12:44] <dbmoodb> do not upgrade it ?
[12:44] <dbmoodb> too late
[12:44] <cprov> single-user ?
[12:45] <Fujitsu> cprov: init=/bin/bash would do.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> old-skool :) heh heh
[12:45] <Dr_willis> i did a  init=/bin/irssi once
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Dr_willis: What use was that without networking?
[12:46] <Dr_willis> Fujitsu,  yep. :) it had issues...
[12:46] <Dr_willis> init=/usr/bin/games/nethack
[12:47] <cvw> So, no ideas on my issue eh?
[12:48] <cprov> Fujitsu, downgrade is done. Before I make any other mistake ... what's next ?
[12:48] <dbmoodb> so is there a working libc6 that i grab /
[12:49] <Fujitsu> cprov: Downgrading libc6?
[12:49] <dbmoodb> cprov: where did you get it from --> just updated my self
[12:49] <cprov> Fujitsu, yup, installed version 2.7.5ubuntu2
[12:49] <Fujitsu> cprov: I think you should be done.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> What arch, though?
[12:50] <cprov> i386
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Good.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Try to sudo.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Before rebooting.
[12:50] <dbmoodb> - is it ok to use synaptic to do it ? ... oh wait
[12:50] <cprov> uhm, I guess I can get the new one, the fix, no ?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> cprov: If it has built yet.
[12:50] <dbmoodb> apparently not
[12:50] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: where can i get a working libc6 ?
[12:50] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: You've not rebooted yet?
[12:50] <cprov> Fujitsu, sudo is working again
[12:50] <dbmoodb> --> version no number ...
[12:50] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: no
[12:50] <Fujitsu> cprov: You're good then :)
[12:51] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: Watch the bug, official instructions for recovery should be posted shortly.
[12:51] <dbmoodb> ah can  i start anything up...
[12:51] <dbmoodb> doesn't look like it
[12:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: When you're back, I've got a pastebin of the content of the i386 libc6 build that you probably want to look at. It seems to say that it was pending, building and finished, all at the same time.
[12:52] <cprov> Fujitsu ... fantastic, I own you many, I mean *many*,  favours ... thank you.
[12:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: No, you've fixed a lot of my bugs :)
[12:52] <dbmoodb> how do i fix it then ?
[12:52] <dbmoodb> reboot to another os ?
[12:53] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: That's why there is the warning not to upgrade :P
[12:53] <dbmoodb> yeah but i updated before i saw that rofl
[12:53] <Turski> dbmoodb: just read the topic
[12:53] <cprov> none of the bugs I've fixed for you were blocking your life, as this one is blocking mine ;)
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[12:54] <cprov> Fujitsu, sure, let me get back on track ... brb
[12:55] <dbmoodb> i am reading this stuff but...
[12:55] <dbmoodb> how do i go about fixing this from my debian install ....
[12:55] <Turski> dbmoodb: jsut like from live cd?
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Turski: No, Debian has a different libc6.
[12:56] <ConstyXIV> anyone running hardy on an eee?  what's the compatibility like?
[12:56] <dbmoodb> livecd ?
[12:56] <Turski> Fujitsu: ?
[12:56] <dbmoodb> apparently you can use ksh
[12:56] <Turski> Fujitsu: it tells to download right one?
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Turski: Oh, not the solution on the forum that I saw.
[12:56] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: Or dash, or a few others.
[12:56] <Turski> and copy the files by hand
[12:57] <Turski> dbmoodb: does your apt work?
[12:57] <dbmoodb> anyway to invoke them now ?
[12:57] <dbmoodb> i hope so
[12:57] <Turski> or dpkg
[12:58] <Turski> download old libc6 and install it with dpkg -i --force-downgrade ./package.deb
[12:59] <dbmoodb> using debians ...
[12:59] <dbmoodb> using debian dpkg ?
[12:59] <Turski> oh
[12:59] <Turski> not then
[13:00] <dbmoodb> chroot you mean
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: OK, what you can do is... reboot, and edit the GRUB kernel directive to include init=/bin/dash
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: chroot won't work.
[13:00] <dbmoodb> will do
[13:00] <dbmoodb> oh really...
[13:00] <dbmoodb> ok
[13:00] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: And break=bottom too, sorry.
[13:00] <dbmoodb> ?
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Once you've done that, you should get a nice dash prompt.
[13:01] <Fujitsu> mount -o rw,remount /root
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Er, not /root, /.
[13:01] <dbmoodb> not ksh ?
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Probably doesn't really matter; I just know that dash works.
[13:02] <Fujitsu> Then dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_someworkingversion.deb
[13:02] <Turski> dbmoodb: don't you have live cd?
[13:02] <Fujitsu> Where someworkingversion is the latest one before the broken one that you have.
[13:02] <Turski> or actually u don't nee it...
[13:03] <dbmoodb> livecd of...
[13:03] <dbmoodb> gutsy yes
[13:03] <Turski> dbmoodb: is that debian on same machine u broke?
[13:03] <dbmoodb> yeah
[13:03] <Turski> oh, good
[13:03] <dbmoodb> i keep etch as my production stuff
[13:03] <dbmoodb> i'm not crazy enough to run hardy alpha for production :)
[13:04] <dbmoodb> it is stable but... not...
[13:04] <Turski> then just extract old ubuntu's libc6 and copy files by hand to ubuntu
[13:04] <dbmoodb> oh ?
[13:04] <Turski> you can do that with dpkg -X i think...
[13:04] <dbmoodb> ah..... where should i find libc in the pool ?
[13:04] <dbmoodb> --> trying to find it
[13:05] <dbmoodb> oops my fault wrong dir
[13:05] <Turski> dpkg -X /dir/to/extract
[13:05] <Turski> dbmoodb: looks for forum... it's there
[13:05] <dbmoodb> --> looking at my isp
[13:05] <Turski> found it
[13:05] <Turski> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11110565/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> just use dpkg --root=
[13:05] <h3sp4wn> (Its designed for exactly this issue)
[13:06] <Turski> h3sp4wn: good idea
[13:07] <Turski> dbmoodb: and if -12 kernel isn't working after that try to boot -11
[13:07] <dbmoodb> let me reboot
[13:08] <dbmoodb> rofl
[13:08] <dbmoodb> beat it
[13:08] <dbmoodb> you go xterm dash
[13:08] <dbmoodb> and you get a console up
[13:08] <dbmoodb> nevermind ... you cannot get to root by the looks of it
[13:08] <ethana3> savvas: hi
[13:08] <ethana3> rebooting
[13:08] <Turski> ...?
[13:08] <savvas> ok
[13:09] <savvas> and there it goes:)
[13:09] <dbmoodb> ok i have a dash screen up --> any ideas of how to get to root without sudo :)
[13:09] <Turski> oh, irssi wasn't in screen
[13:10] <Turski> dbmoodb: why didn't u do like i said?
[13:10] <dbmoodb> i will reboot in one second -- wanting to see how far i could get now
[13:10] <Turski> but that extracting package from debian was the solution ;)
[13:10] <ethana3> starting up...
[13:10] <ethana3> -8 kernel
[13:11] <dbmoodb> oh sure
[13:11] <ethana3> yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:11] <dbmoodb> but .... i like trying this way
[13:11] <ethana3> same kernel panic
[13:11] <dbmoodb> rebooting is a real pain
[13:11] <savvas> ethana3: try the recovery kernel images, see if that helps
[13:11] <ethana3> run-init: /sbin/init: Permission denied
[13:11] <ethana3> ok
[13:11] <ethana3> -8 recovery image
[13:11] <ethana3> a second...
[13:12] <Turski> ok :)
[13:13] <ethana3> starting...
[13:13] <ethana3> same kernel panic
[13:13] <ethana3> drat
[13:13] <ethana3> would you like me to transcribe the whole screen into a pastebin?
[13:13] <ethana3> colemak typist..  i type fast
[13:13] <ethana3> ..and don't get tired at all
[13:14] <savvas> neah that's ok, just the last 4-5 lines
[13:14] <ethana3> alright
[13:14] <ethana3> to pastebin?
[13:14] <savvas> yep
[13:14] <ethana3> k
[13:14] <savvas> the only thing i can think of right now is to try and replace the kernel images
[13:14] <ethana3> a minute...
[13:19] <ethana3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5655/
[13:20] <dbmoodb> so dpkg -X just extracts a package
[13:21] <ethana3> savvas: is there a log we should extract from the safety of a live session?
[13:21] <cpro1> Fujitsu: all good, thanks again.
[13:21] <Fujitsu> cpro1: No problem, glad it worked out.
[13:21] <savvas> ethana3: go on the live cd again
[13:21] <ethana3> got it.
[13:21] <ethana3> just a minute...
[13:21] <savvas> i'm reading something that might help
[13:21] <ethana3> k
[13:22] <cpro1> err, except this "red stop traffic sign" my app bar ;)
[13:22] <Fujitsu> Heh.
[13:22] <dbmoodb> so Fujitsu just go dpkg -x ..... seems a bit simple
[13:22] <Fujitsu> That'll probably be libc6-dev or libc6-i686 complaining about the different version of libc6.
[13:24] <Fujitsu> cpro1: As you probably saw in -devel, a proper fix will be around soon... though you can probably get it early with your superpowers.
[13:24] <ethana3> yarr, i always forget to set the keymap in the beginning with the livecd's
[13:25] <ethana3> oh well, just takes a second longer anyway
[13:26] <cprov> Fujitsu: ehe, I don't think I can speedup the builders, but let me check
[13:26] <savvas> ethana3: it looks like of the libraries has a permission problem
[13:26] <ethana3> it's up..
[13:26] <Fujitsu> cprov: They've all built, so it's just waiting on publishing, so there's probably nothing more to be done.
[13:26] <ethana3> just a sec, setting key layout and logging into freenode, etc
[13:27] <savvas> ok
[13:27] <bisho> I have a bug problem with Hardy
[13:28] <Pici> see /topic
[13:28] <bisho> libc6 update seg-faulted
[13:28] <bisho> and now....
[13:28] <bisho> hehe
[13:28] <bisho> sorry
[13:28] <ethana3> k
[13:28] <bisho> I going to try that and close my bug as dupped
[13:28] <bisho> thx a lot!
[13:30] <kjetilkWork> I've got my libc6 fixed now, but for some reason, I can't open anything, even from a terminal running as my own user, I get "cannot open display :0.0"
[13:30] <kjetilkWork> if it is not on :0.0, how can I found out the name of the display?
[13:31] <cprov> Fujitsu: yes, they i386 binaries will be in a.u.c within 25 minutes, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/libc6-i686
[13:31] <jetsaredim> what's going on with the latest libc and linux-image-generic packages?
[13:31] <Pici> jetsaredim: /topic
[13:31] <tgelter> cprov: any news on x86_64?
[13:31] <Fujitsu> jetsaredim: /topic
[13:32] <jetsaredim> doh
[13:33] <cprov> tgelter: amd64 binaries will be in the same batch ... so prepare to download in 30 minutes or so.
[13:34] <tgelter> cprov: I'm not overly anxious (ok, I lie) but have several people waiting on me to tell them when to update, so thanks
[13:35] <cprov> tgelter: I hope this download wave doesn't take a.u.c down ...
[13:35] <Dat1> Hi Guys, just one quick question: Does anyone know if/when Firefox 3 beta 4 will come to hardy?
[13:35] <Fujitsu> tgelter: Watch out that they're not using mirrors, as they could take many hours to update.
[13:35] <Dat1> (If that's too much off topic now, just ignore my question...)
[13:35] <jetsaredim> Dat1: see #ubuntu-mozillateam
[13:36] <tgelter> Fujitsu: noted. I assume the updates are going to us.archive.ubuntu.com first?
[13:36] <Dat1> jetsaredim: OK, thx!
[13:36] <Fujitsu> tgelter: The central archive is archive.ubuntu.com. Due to an unfortunate set of circumstances, us.archive.ubuntu.com points there, so in a way, yes.
[13:37] <tgelter> Fujitsu: :) ok, thanks
[13:38] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -i --force-depends --root=/mnt *.deb (with the 2 old deb's) works fine
[13:39] <dbmoodb> so how do i fix this from debian now  ? - just dpkg -x you say ?
[13:39] <Viden> So what version of Evolution is in the next release?  2.22.0 ?
[13:44] <Viden> anyone ?
[13:44] <Leerok> Anyone what?
[13:45] <Viden> So what version of Evolution is in the next release?  2.22.0 ?
[13:45] <h3sp4wn> don't repeat look yourself
[13:45] <Fujitsu> !info evolution hardy
[13:45] <ubotu> evolution (source: evolution): groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2519 kB, installed size 8236 kB
[13:46] <Viden> thanks for not being rude Fujitsu
[13:46] <dbmoodb> Fujitsu: you say dpkg -x ... is that it ?
[13:47] <Fujitsu> dbmoodb: I didn't say that. I forget who did.
[13:48] <dbmoodb> oh
[13:48] <savvas> Pici & Fujitsu - ethana3 had a file permissions problem :) /lib/ld-2.7.so
[13:48] <bisho> The libc6 problem has a bug # assigned?
[13:48] <Viden> Is it possible to install Evolution 2.22.0 on Ubuntu 7.10 ?
[13:48] <savvas> bisho: /topic
[13:48]  * dbmoodb seemed to be an road to blahend
[13:48] <bisho> I want to close my reported bug
[13:48] <savvas> mark it invalid then
[13:49] <bisho> ok
[13:49] <Fujitsu> bisho: Because it's a duplicate?
[13:49] <Pici> yes
[13:49] <Fujitsu> bisho: If so, you want the `Mark as duplicate' option in the Actions portlet.
[13:49] <Pici> Viden: I dont reccomend trying.
[13:49] <Viden> kk .. thanks pici
[13:51] <bisho> Fujitsu, I was asking if you know the official bug id for this problem so I could mark mine as duplicated of that one
[13:51] <bisho> but someone else has alredy marked it duplicate... :)
[13:52] <bmk789> anyone using apt-mirror in hardy?
[13:52] <Leerok> apt-proxy for me.
[13:53] <Leerok> ???
[13:53] <Leerok> Err http://<IP_ADDRESS> hardy/main libc6-dev 2.7-9ubuntu1
[13:53] <Leerok>   500 Unknown status code: 403
[13:53] <Leerok> What is that?!
[13:53] <bmk789> same here
[13:53] <Leerok> Oh, so it's not just me.
[13:53] <bmk789> i couldnt get those 3 packages either
[13:54] <Leerok> Alright, no panicking for me, then.
[13:54] <bmk789> libc6, libc6-dev and libc6-i386
[13:54] <Pici>  /topic
[13:56] <Pici> bmk789: Leerok: dunno if you caught my message see topic.
[13:56] <bmk789> ah
[13:56] <lamalex> so libc has been fixed?
[13:56] <bmk789> glad i didnt upgrade sooner
[13:58] <`sam`> when the libc is "fixed" you guys go ahead and install it and let me know how it goes :)
[13:58] <Pici> I'm trying now.
[13:58] <Pici> Guess if it doesnt work I'm not going to be happy because I'm ssh-ed in right now.
[14:05] <astan> hm. can i get the kernel .config for hardy online somewhere? i don't have access to a hardy machine atm.
[14:07] <Turski> how do i see what version of libc6 is in repositories?
[14:08]  * TheInfinity loves libc6 errors
[14:08] <ccooke> apt-cache show libc6 | less
[14:08] <Turski> ccooke: but doesn't that show what's installed?
[14:09] <ccooke> Turski: no, apt-cache operates on the downloaded cache of pakages available
[14:09] <ccooke> to see what's installed, use dpkg -l libc6
[14:09] <secretlondon> madison, but not sure of the syntax
[14:09] <Turski> ok... so 2.7-5ubuntu2
[14:09] <Turski> ok... so 2.7-5ubuntu2 is vurrently in repos
[14:09] <secretlondon> rmadison
[14:10] <`sam`> Turski, it was just updated in the repos a few minutes ago i think
[14:10] <Turski> but i think that doesnt come in same minute to all mirrors...?
[14:10] <secretlondon> secret@celery:~/cvs$ rmadison libc6
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 |        dapper | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 | dapper-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12 |          edgy | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 |  edgy-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.5-0ubuntu14 |        feisty | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <dbmoodb> wait so we now have a working libc6 ?
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.6.1-1ubuntu9 |         gutsy | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 | gutsy-updates | amd64, i386, powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.7-5ubuntu2 |         hardy | powerpc
[14:10] <secretlondon>      libc6 | 2.7-9ubuntu1 |         hardy | amd64, i386
[14:10] <secretlondon> Turksi: yeah, it takes time to get to all mirrors
[14:11] <`sam`> Turski, right, mirrors might take a while to get it
[14:11] <jussi01> !paste | secretlondon
[14:11] <ubotu> secretlondon: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:11] <dbmoodb> so which one is working ?
[14:12] <Skaman> there's a way to fix the kubuntu install through the cd?i even can't login in shell mode after the latest hardy install...
[14:12] <bmk789> so 2.7-9ubuntu2 is safe?
[14:12] <Turski> Skaman: see topic
[14:13] <motoplux> yeah it's safe. I just upgraded
[14:13] <secretlondon> jussi01: point taken, but I was answering Turksi's problem
[14:13] <Skaman> let me chack
[14:13] <`sam`> libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2 is the newest one i see, but i haven't tried installing it yet... don't have time today to fix it if it doesn't work
[14:13]  * bmk789 is upgrading to it now
[14:13] <dbmoodb> i'm happy to try it
[14:14] <bmk789> ill let you know if its good, ill be back in about 10 minutes
[14:14] <dbmoodb>  2.7-5ubuntu2 is installed
[14:14] <dbmoodb> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[14:14] <Turski> libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2 not yet in finnish mirror
[14:14] <dbmoodb> ah - no not on mine either
[14:16] <oxigen> gee, someone locked forum thread befor it was published solution for 64 bit build :/ what now? what is the solution?
[14:16] <Milos_SD> are other update that we had yesterday OK to install?
[14:16]  * ethana3 crosses fingers
[14:16] <savvas> don't cross them, it will be ok
[14:16] <ethana3> heh, i hope so
[14:16] <oxigen> stupid forum admins
[14:17] <ethana3> logically, yes
[14:17] <savvas> oxigen: manners :)
[14:17] <oxigen> yea, yea
[14:17] <ethana3> oh no
[14:17] <oxigen> gimme mannered solution then
[14:17] <ipe64> i just updated my alpha 6 hardy heron x64 using wubi on visat x64 it will not start up any more i have uninstalled removed unbuntu from the vista boot manager ok i think i will wait till april then give it anther go
[14:17] <ethana3> it got farther...
[14:17] <ethana3> it's throwing errors on all my usb devices
[14:18] <ethana3> ...starting userful desktop multiplier...
[14:18] <nandemonai> Ok so the latest version of libc6 is ok or not as yet?
[14:18] <`sam`> oxigen, it says the thread will be updated when fixes are prepared
[14:18] <ethana3> savvas: got both seats working now
[14:18] <dbmoodb> nandemonai: wait it out for a bit
[14:18] <ethana3> logging into mine
[14:18] <oxigen> `sam`, huh, sorry then .. :)
[14:18] <nandemonai> I might leave it till tomorrow then.
[14:18] <savvas> ethana3: it's booting up though right? must be the new kernel upgrade, use the -8 if you need anything usb'ish :P
[14:19] <ethana3> oh, ok
[14:19] <ethana3> it works fine
[14:19] <ethana3> logging in both users just for the heck of it
[14:20] <savvas> oxigen: about the libc6 problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4506738#post4506738
[14:20] <ethana2> ok...
[14:21] <oxigen> savvas: thanks!
[14:22] <ethana3> now my sister's laptop... i don't know its status.....
[14:22] <savvas> oxigen: that's my mannered solution :P i hope it works for you too
[14:22] <ethana3> but i know i have two sane machines
[14:22] <ethana3> and now i know what i'm doing
[14:23] <savvas> go ahead
[14:23] <savvas> :)
[14:23] <savvas> i'm off, got some tasks to do
[14:23] <ethana3> k
[14:23] <ethana3> savvas: thank you very very much
[14:23] <savvas> enjoy your (fixed) o/s :D
[14:23] <oxigen> savvas: ok, sorry, i'm a bit nervous, you know, when 14 days of tweaking goes down the drain just like that...
[14:23] <ethana3> oh i will
[14:23] <ethana3> and i'll not be taking it for granted again soon
[14:24] <savvas> oxigen: footnote: if you get "/bin/bash: permission denied", sudo chmod 755 /media/disk/lib/ld-2.7.so
[14:25] <bmk789> libc6 is good
[14:25] <oxigen> savvas: thanks again!
[14:25] <savvas> no, libc6 ---> 2.7-9ubuntu2 <--- is good, not the ubuntu1
[14:30] <KrimZon> i just updated and couldn't start applications - they'd just show the loading cursor and then the taskbar button for them would disappear
[14:30] <KrimZon> then i rebooted and it hung on starting system log daemon
[14:31] <dbmoodb> yeah libc6
[14:31] <Ng> KrimZon: see the channel topic
[14:31] <dbmoodb> krimzon i just went through this personally :)
[14:31] <UB`> KrimZon read the topic
[14:31] <dbmoodb> i think we need to warn people to check on irc if it is ok to update before doing so in alpha's
[14:32] <KrimZon> aha
[14:32]  * dbmoodb forgot to consider hardy like sid
[14:32] <KrimZon> this is apparently going to be very tricky to fix
[14:32] <Ng> dbmoodb: it is worth remembering that hardy is a development version and you should expect this kind of thing will happen every day
[14:32] <dbmoodb> ah ahm
[14:32] <KrimZon> i was already holding off the -12 kernel
[14:32] <dbmoodb> i just said i forgot too
[14:33] <dbmoodb> Ng: but ubuntu makes it so easy to forget
[14:37] <lamalex> someone should update topic that 2.7-9ubuntu2 is ok to install
[14:38] <axisys> thanks god I get a 403 forbidden while trying to download libc6 :-(
[14:38] <axisys> so my system is working fine
[14:38] <lamalex> :)
[14:41] <darx> whats the fastest version of flash player for linux? I need something over version 8
[14:41] <darx> the latest one is a cpu pig
[14:41] <LeeJunFan> they all are
[14:41] <darx> the latest one is even more so
[14:43] <tgelter> lamalex: what's the broken version?
[14:43] <lamalex> 2.7-9ubuntu1
[14:44] <Turski> lamalex: it's not yet on all mirrors
[14:44] <LeeJunFan> if you download ubuntu2 you can just dpkg -i it
[14:44] <tgelter> ah, still figuring out the versioning format
[14:44] <lamalex> Turski: I know, which is why they should say that that version number is ok to install
[14:44] <bwlang> just read through the lib6 thread... i still have a shell running, but sudo segfaults... i don't have a root password set.  is there some alternative way to su so i can overwrite libc with the proper version?
[14:44] <Turski> easier to say that do not upgrade :P
[14:45] <bwlang> maybe gksudo?
[14:45] <lamalex> gksudo relies on sude
[14:45] <lamalex> sudo
[14:45] <Turski> bwlang: it's broken now
[14:45] <lamalex> but worth a try
[14:45] <Turski> and it's not sudo's fault
[14:45] <tgelter> bwlan: what about using tar?
[14:45] <LeeJunFan> it's got to do with the password part of sudo. I have my sudo set to nopasswd so sudo works fine here.
[14:45] <Turski> it's just that libc is borken
[14:47] <UB`> lamalex didi you try the libc6_2.7-9ubuntu2_i386.deb  ?
[14:47] <tgelter> bwlang: nevermind, I am distracted and not thinking clearly
[14:47] <bwlang> tgelter: i can extract the files... but i can't get the permission to overwrite them.
[14:47] <bwlang> so i'm headed for a livecd, no alternative method of getting root?
[14:47] <tgelter> bwlang: does init work?
[14:47] <bwlang> that doesn't depend on libc ;)
[14:47] <LeeJunFan> bwlang: no, other than booting into single mode (if that would even work)
[14:47] <tgelter> init 1...
[14:48] <LeeJunFan> I think it should.
[14:48] <lamalex> UB`: I just installed it
[14:48] <lamalex> I haven't rebooted yet, getting ready to
[14:48] <bwlang> i doubt init 1 will do it since it'll try to spawn a shell...  but i can fix it pretty easily from a live cd.
[14:49] <lamalex> if I'm not back in 5 minutes, you know don't upgrade :P
[14:49] <UB`> ahha
[14:49] <LeeJunFan> lamalex: it's working fine here.
[14:49] <UB`> lamalex we are waiting you ;)
[14:49] <dbmoodb> dibs on his boxed
[14:50] <dbmoodb> boxen*
[14:50] <bwlang> lesson learned: set a root password, even if you don't need it.
[14:50] <UB`> bwlang :)
[14:50] <bwlang> sure would be handy right about now.
[14:50] <tgelter> bwlang: I've heard that booting with init=/bin/sh works
[14:50] <dbmoodb> lesson sudo is no sub. for su
[14:52] <lamalex> win
[14:52] <lamalex> seems safe
[14:53] <dbmoodb> the 2 version is safeish ?
[14:54] <lamalex> i upgraded fine a moment ago
[14:54] <lamalex> and that's the word on the street
[14:54] <lamalex> this is testing! live on the edge!
[14:56] <emefarr> ubuntu 8.04 alpha 6 on hp dc7100 sff with Broadcom nic (BCM95751).  Has been running gutsy for months.  Runs live cd w/no prob.  Installs alpha6, grabs first set of updates, reboot - no more nic available.  Suggestions?
[14:57] <axisys> anyone know of a tool that display the rss feed as a horizontal scroll on the top as a news bar?
[14:57] <lamalex> can't conky do that?
[14:57] <Pici> It may
[14:58] <lamalex> axisys: look into conky, it does everything ever
[14:58] <axisys> lamalex: cool let me check it out
[14:59] <axisys> lamalex: this shows only system performance
[14:59] <lamalex> no, it does everything, that's just it's main job
[15:00] <lamalex> you'll need to edit the conkyrc
[15:00] <UB`> emefarr do you use ndiswrapper?
[15:00] <lamalex> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=472010
[15:01] <e\ectro_> yep
[15:01] <lamalex> axisys: ^^
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: and it runs on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[15:01] <e\ectro_> i've been bitten by the libc6
[15:01] <lamalex> it runs on any linux
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: on
[15:01] <axisys> lamalex: ok
[15:01] <KrimZon> where does ubuntu download its debs from?
[15:01] <dbmoodb> where you set it too KrimZon
[15:02] <darrend> conky can be a bit of a performance drain when doing stuff like that though.  YMMV
[15:02] <lamalex> KrimZon: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:02] <KrimZon> i'm browsing blinly around on gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:02] <KrimZon> *blindly
[15:02] <emefarr> no.   new install
[15:02] <KrimZon> looking for a good libc6
[15:03] <emefarr> worked fine until I rebooted after first round of patches
[15:03] <axisys> darrend: u have any other suggestion?
[15:03] <UB`> emefarr your card works with ndiswrapper?
[15:03] <JUGGALO_BEAVIS> jel zna ko srpski
[15:03] <emefarr> I can try it.
[15:03] <jjrojo>  Someone who uses hardy have problems with the nvidia drivers?
[15:03] <UB`> there's a problem with ndiswrapper and ssb
[15:03] <emefarr> Ah...
[15:04] <UB`> emefarr if your card needs ndiswrapper you need to load it before ssb
[15:04] <darrend> axisys: could try adesklets/gdesklets..?
[15:04] <emefarr> searched for "hardy alpha6 broadcom" before I posted  didn't find anything
[15:04] <emefarr> it did work under gutsy without ndiswrapper for months
[15:05] <UB`> try > sudo modprobe -r ohci_hcd && sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[15:05] <UB`> but only if your card works with ndiswrapper otherwise it'e another problem
[15:06] <emefarr> thanks!  will try that now  otherwise thinking about re-installing and checking logs and dmesg in between steps this time
[15:06] <KrimZon> i can't find it manually... does anyone have a url for the working libc6 package?
[15:06] <articpenguin380> is there a netinstall for hardy?
[15:06] <axisys> darrend: let me look
[15:13] <frank_> any chance flash will work in konqueror in hardy? something about the drawing method not being supported...
[15:13] <dbmoodb> pici where do we grab the latest version from
[15:13] <Pici> apt?
[15:13] <dbmoodb> not in my mirror yet
[15:13] <secretlondon> check your mirror - getting reports that the broken version is unfrozen in some mirrors
[15:14] <dbmoodb> iinet ---> i think it was semi locked
[15:14] <dbmoodb> got an error when isntalling it
[15:14] <Pici> arg, spelling
[15:15]  * secretlondon thanks pici
[15:15] <secretlondon> we're still getting libc broke my install bugs this afternoon
[15:16] <Pici> secretlondon: now you can just do /topic when people come in and ask
[15:16] <ccooke> How bad's the problem been?
[15:16] <dbmoodb> so Pici, i take it is on the main repo ?
[15:17] <Pici> dbmoodb: I believe so
[15:17] <jjrojo> nobody have problems with nvidia in hardy?
[15:17] <emefarr> UB': going for the re-install.   will try the modprobes you suggested when it's back up and let you know thanks again!
[15:17] <Turski> still old ligc6 in my mirror...
[15:18] <UB`> you are welcome
[15:20] <darx> whats the best font for LCDs?
[15:20] <Pici> Whatever font you like
[15:21] <LeeJunFan> why does compiz suddenly complain about the ati driver which it runs perfectly fine on?
[15:22] <Pici> LeeJunFan: Because it doesnt run perfectly fine on other people's setups
[15:22] <Pici> see the changelog.
[15:23] <leonel> just  reupdated  and  glibc error  gone !
[15:23] <LeeJunFan> Pici: so now I can't run it at all because it doesn't run fine on someone elses system? lame.
[15:24] <dbmoodb> wow it hit my repo... wow that was fast
[15:25] <nealmcb> is there a mailing list for ubuntu+1?  I didn't see any mail on the ubuntu-devel list about the libc problem.
[15:25] <Pici> LeeJunFan: Not just one persons, many people.
[15:25] <Pici> s/persons/person/
[15:26] <LeeJunFan> still shouldn't that be left up to each person? Now I can't run it because other people with ATI couldn't, even though it worked perfectly for me.
[15:26] <dbmoodb> ? you still can
[15:26] <Pici> LeeJunFan: You'll just have to enable the SKIP_CHECKS workaround
[15:26] <secretlondon> nealmcb there was a fairly pointless thread on one of the dev lists
[15:26]  * sn0 attempts upgrade today
[15:27] <sn0> gotta love snapshots :)
[15:27] <dbmoodb> oh lovely it tried to grab +1
[15:27] <nealmcb> secretlondon: yeah - I just responded to that one - glad that someone finally posted a bug reference
[15:27] <LeeJunFan> Pici: thanks, but SKIP_CHECKS would be buried in documentation or source code where? So I know how to use it?
[15:28] <secretlondon> that was actually how I found out about it this morning utc
[15:28] <nealmcb> that was ubuntu-devel-discuss - not the most authoritative list...
[15:28] <secretlondon> yeah
[15:28] <bisho> Can you help me with the libc issue?
[15:28] <Pici> LeeJunFan: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[15:28] <fromport> Hi: more people bitten by update of hardy today ?
[15:29] <Pici> fromport: /topic
[15:29] <bisho> I have booted from CD, mounted the filesystems, chrooted and issued a dpki -i of a working libc6
[15:29] <LeeJunFan> Pici: thanks, I love when stuff like that isn't in manpages.
[15:29] <Pici> LeeJunFan: If you need specific help on setting that, the folks in #compiz-fusion should be able to help
[15:29] <fromport> thanks...
[15:29] <bisho> But now I get run-init: /sbin/init: I/O error on boot
[15:29] <Pici> LeeJunFan: It was in the changelog for the most recent compiz update.
[15:29] <bazhang> fromport already a fix
[15:30] <LeeJunFan> Pici: I found the ati blacklist in the changelog, but knowing about SKIP_CHECKS is another thing that should probably be in the man or README at least.
[15:31] <Pici> LeeJunFan: I agree, perhaps a bug should be logged for it?
[15:31] <LeeJunFan> Pici: yeah, I'll get it.
[15:32] <Turski> libc6 upgraded
[15:33] <Turski> still not in finnish server so i changed repositories to swedish ones
[15:33] <Turski> boot -->
[15:33] <Turski> and nvidia kernel module building
[15:35] <weedar> Hey guys, I'm afflicted by the libc6 bug - is there a workaround that works without reboot and a root-password set ?
[15:35] <Adys> weedar:  /topic
[15:36] <Adys> if you still havent reboot, there are some workarounds in the first pages
[15:36] <weedar> Adys: yeah I read the bug-report on launchpad and didn't find anything there, not in the thread either
[15:36] <weedar> oh, I must have missed it then
[15:36] <muszek> weedar: imho not... you need to be root to do anything.  sudo doesn't work, so you need to su to root...
[15:36] <weedar> my bad :o)
[15:36] <bwlang__> that was an easy fix... not sure what the big hullabaloo is about...  anyway - in the process of fixing my libc - i see that i have libc6-amd64 installed ... but this is a a core duo system (not a core 2 duo) and only supports 32 bit. How could this have been installed?
[15:36] <bwlang__> should i file a bug on this?
[15:36] <bwlang__> or is it supposed to be there?
[15:38] <LuitvD> hi
[15:38] <fromport> my libc6 is fixed,i've got a working machine again ;-)
[15:38] <fromport> thanks
[15:39] <LuitvD> hmm, I guess my launchpad report was useless, judging from the channel topic?
[15:39] <Turski> yeh, works fine
[15:40] <bwlang> so... any reason to have libc6-amd64 on a 32 bit system?
[15:40] <bwlang> sorry if i lost a response before... flaky irc connection
[15:42] <UB`> weedar start from a live cd
[15:42] <weedar> UB`: but my drive is encrypted, will the live CD support it?
[15:42] <e\ectro_> does anyone have a place for the i386 libc6 older version?
[15:43] <UB`> weedar wtf you are very unlucky :)
[15:43] <UB`> weedar learn a lesson: don't encrypt drives if you run alpha software ;)
[15:43] <bisho> e\ectro_, The old version is already: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_i386.deb
[15:44] <e\ectro_> thanks
[15:44] <UB`> e\ectro_ the newer fixes the problem
[15:46] <e\ectro_> UB: I am doing it right now, thanks ;)
[15:47] <e\ectro_> UB`: following the instructions on launchpad.net
[15:50] <bisho> I still see "Version 2.7-9ubuntu1" on upgrade, even using the archive.ubuntu.com...
[15:50] <bisho> Any updated mirror you recommend?
[15:51] <bisho> Or that's the good version?
[15:51] <UB`> bisho no the good version is 2.7-9ubuntu2
[15:52] <UB`> and they are on the offical repo
[15:52] <bisho> archive.ubuntu.com is not the official?
[15:52] <UB`> yes
[15:52] <UB`> run the update
[15:52] <bisho> Setting that server on sources I still see the same package...
[15:52] <UB`> di you run the update?
[15:53] <UB`> I just upgrade the packages from that repo
[15:55] <bisho> ok... it was a problem with a broken package... lib6-amd64 was requiring *-ubuntu1 and that's whay it was only appearing that on the update manager
[15:55] <bisho> doing apt-get in command line solved the problem and now I have ubuntu2 version installed.
[16:03] <weedar> If I boot from the (k)ubuntu live-cd it will not support hard-drive encryption?
[16:05] <flipstar> guess yes, if not you can install crypt tools
[16:06] <matthew__> What's the schedule for release of hardy?
[16:06] <flipstar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:06] <flipstar> april,24
[16:08] <secretlondon> colin watson has posted a detailed response to the glibc thing to -devel-announce and -devel
[16:09] <matthew__> where can i request that they put back support for my audio device?  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:09] <matthew__> Or at least, give instructions on how to compile this kernel source.. it won't even do a make menuconfig
[16:10] <secretlondon> matthew__ file a bug on linux pointing out the regression
[16:10] <matthew__> secretlondon: where can i file ubuntu bugs?
[16:11] <flipstar> launchpad.net/bugs
[16:11]  * secretlondon thanks flipstar
[16:14] <matthew__> strange how that bug tracking system doesn't seem to mention ubuntu anywhere...
[16:16] <secretlondon> matthew_ I think you've actually been given the wrong link
[16:16] <secretlondon> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:16] <Pici> or bugs.ubuntu.com
[16:17] <secretlondon> you can file bugs on launchpad for anything that uses launchpad - its not just for ubuntu bugs
[16:18] <matthew__> i see...
[16:19] <ConstyXIV> just wondering, is there a reason capslock isin't flat-out disabled on the login/lock screens?
[16:20] <matthew__> secretlondon: so, do you think i could grab the kernel+modules from ubuntu 7.04 and use it with 7.10 to get my sound working again?
[16:20] <matthew__> Or--is there a way to actually compile the kernel source so I can add the module back myself?
[16:20] <secretlondon> matthew_ that sounds like it would break stuff badly
[16:21] <matthew__> well.. the kernel source package doesn't make... and there is no /proc/config.gz
[16:22] <Ayabara> should dark themes in firefox work well without a custom userContent.css on Hardy?
[16:22] <matthew__> I guess I should ask about that for 7.10 on the regular channel.. but I just you all make sure these things are done better in hardy.
[16:23] <secretlondon> matthew_ this is on 7.10? please file the bug, but also testing in hardy would be cool
[16:23] <matthew__> I am weighing going to hardy early...  due to my sound card issue..  if i go back to 7.04, i'll have sound but not some other app versions I need.
[16:23] <UB`> matthew__ may be you have the old kernels installed did you try boot with those?
[16:24] <zoli2k> Hi! How can I install the headers of an older kernel (2.6.24-5) ?
[16:25] <matthew__> UB`: I installed from scratch.. no old stuff..  I've never had any linux distribution ever upgrade without breaking the system to the point of unusability.. except for debian.
[16:25] <UB`> ah ok
[16:26] <UB`> matthew__ did you try to debug your sound problem?
[16:26] <matthew__> i did try the upgrade.. but scratch my head--has it ever worked for anyone?
[16:26] <matthew__> UB`: well yes.. the module doesn't seem to be there.
[16:26] <matthew__> pretty simple problem.
[16:26] <UB`> what module?
[16:26] <matthew__> I forget the module name right now, but the one for Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:28] <UB`> matthew__ what kernel?
[16:28] <matthew__> Linux matthew-laptop 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 07:42:25 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:30] <UB`> matthew__ try this workaround https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+question/21847
[16:30] <mitch_> Hey
[16:30] <mitch_> Can someone help me getting susspend/ sleep to work on my mbp
[16:32] <gilster32> just logged in a little while ago. whats going today folks? 300+ updates>? have i missed something?
[16:34] <mitch_> 2.22 maybe?
[16:36] <UB`> gilster32 yes you missed a broken libc6 upgrade that crash the entire system ;)
[16:37] <gilster32> UB: omg
[16:37] <mitch_> So i take it i shouldn't update today to test for sleep working?
[16:37] <gilster32> cant blink an eye here.
[16:38] <UB`> :)
[16:39] <matthew__> UB`: I am trying... thanks
[16:40] <UB`> matthew__ you could test it without reboot: sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound stop
[16:40] <UB`> and then: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[16:41] <UB`> keep an eye on the master mixer it should be mute (unmute it)
[16:43] <zoli2k> Hi! anyone has the old linux-headers-2.6.24-5-generic ??
[16:43] <matthew__> UB`: there is no /etc/init.d/alsasound .... just an alsa-utils (the only thing with alsa in the name)
[16:44] <UB`> matthew__ feisty?
[16:44] <matthew__> 7.10
[16:44] <UB`> mmm strange
[16:44] <matthew__> my sound worked fine in feisty... (except no mic)
[16:45] <UB`> matthew__ the idea is remove the sound module and re-enable them with the model=3stack option
[16:46] <zoli2k> Anyone got working em28xx?
[16:46] <matthew__> maybe i am missing packages?  as per alsa, i seem to have only alsa-base and alsa-utils
[16:47] <UB`> matthew__ may be alsa-tools
[16:51] <vallhalla81> hi all
[16:52] <sn0> hi
[16:52] <Ayabara> is it just me, or has hardy uninstalled some of my applications all by itself?
[16:53] <UB`> Ayabara what kind of applications?
[16:53] <Lattyware> Hey all, Running Hardy, and it won't boot. I don't get GDM, but and then it just gives me TTY1 killed, restarting or suchlike when I try and login.
[16:53] <PokoLoko> hi there
[16:53] <Lattyware> any fix?
[16:53] <Ayabara> UB`: I could have sworn that truecrypt, amule and opera was installed, but they were nowhere to be found. had to reinstall
[16:54] <PokoLoko> I am trying to install Alpha 6 to my laptop but the installer freezes @ 15%
[16:54] <PokoLoko> i have successfully install it on a desktop pc
[16:54] <PokoLoko>
[16:55] <amx109> Lattyware, details in topic
[16:55] <PokoLoko> so does anyone knows if there is any bug regarding the files systems?
[16:55] <PokoLoko> So,which should i choose ReiserFS or ext2?
[16:55] <amx109> PokoLoko, which install cd are u using? desktop or alt?
[16:56] <matthew__> UB`: also-tools didn't give it.. i have to do some work now.. but will try rebooting...  maybe installing hardy a bit early.
[16:56] <Lattyware> amx109: Oh, didn't realise that applied to me.
[16:56] <PokoLoko> desktop i386
[16:56] <amx109> what is happening at that 15%?
[16:57] <ccooke> PokoLoko: I generally recommend using ext3 for all general purposes. Resierfs is very nice for some special uses, but it's not as stable or recoverable.
[16:57] <LeeJunFan> no, and the speed you get from reiser you can get from ext3 if you turn off the stuff that makes ext3 safe.
[16:58] <ccooke> LeeJunFan: Not all of it. However, you can't make ext3 as risky as reiser...
[16:58] <secretlondon> there are also issues about whether reiserfs is supported considering that the author is in court in a murder trial
[16:58] <ccooke> secretlondon: no, it's supported and will remain so.
[16:59] <LeeJunFan> ccooke: true. I've had many times where I've ended up with reiser putting fragments of files in other files.
[16:59] <ccooke> LeeJunFan: One serious problem with it is filesystem recovery.
[17:00] <ccooke> A filesystem that says "Don't allow untrusted users if you want to recover your data"... Is not a fit choice for a general purpose.
[17:00] <ccooke> Mail spool, news spool, disposable web server content fs... oh yes. Marked improvements, and if it decided to die you just mkfs the damned thing.
[17:02] <PokoLoko> thx
[17:02] <PokoLoko> i have been trying all the to install Alpha 6 on my laptop w/o luck
[17:02] <PokoLoko> sorry alpha 5
[17:03] <PokoLoko> is there much differemce from Alpha 5 to Alpha 6?
[17:03] <PokoLoko> ¤difference
[17:04] <Ayabara> UB`: I'm almost positive now. I _know_ I had fdupes installed, but now it's gone
[17:05] <PokoLoko> so what would be better ext2 or ext3?
[17:05] <amx109> PokoLoko, ext3
[17:05] <UB`> ext3 is journaled ext2 not
[17:05] <UB`> so ext3 is better
[17:05] <PokoLoko> ok
[17:05] <PokoLoko> so,should i download the Alpha 6 and try it if it works
[17:05] <UB`> Ayabara may be depencies problem did you try to reinstall it?
[17:06] <Ayabara> UB`: yep. they reinstall fine
[17:06] <amx109> PokoLoko, yes
[17:07] <UB`> PokoLoko you could try the alternate cd too
[17:07] <UB`> Ayabara you could fill a bug
[17:07] <PokoLoko> also there are some problems with the kernel,i was using the kernel 2.24.11 and no problems,then i made some update,it updated to kernel 2.24.12 and it destroy everything,i couldn't even boot
[17:08] <Ayabara> UB`: I'll examine my system a bit more to check that I'm not imagining things :-)
[17:08] <UB`> ahah ok :)
[17:10] <tgelter> when will the hardy artwork be coming down the pipes? with beta?
[17:12] <PokoLoko> so when is the beta out?
[17:12] <tgelter> tomorrow I believe
[17:12] <tgelter> I lied, not till the 20th
[17:13] <secretlondon> beta freeze may be tomorrow?
[17:13] <tgelter> beta freeze today (according to wiki)
[17:14] <KrimZon> argh, i think i forgot to set proper permissions on the files i copied manually
[17:17] <PokoLoko> so the same problem again.It keeps freezing on 15% of the install(Detecting file systems)
[17:18] <Ayabara> is it normal and ok that memory used by programs and as cache sum up to 100%?
[17:20] <frank_> Ayabara: yes
[17:26] <tgelter> are there any plans in place to switch to using delta patches for updates in the future? how about torrents for patches as well?
[17:39] <Lattyware> Hmm... The fix in the bug thread does not appear to work for
[17:39] <Lattyware> *for me
[17:39] <Lattyware> and my Herd 4 CD won't boot into graphical mode
[17:39] <cbr> hello.. i updated my kubuntu hardy today and it completely died on me
[17:39] <cbr> it doesnt boot
[17:39] <Lattyware> downloading Herd 6 and hoping I can use that.
[17:39] <cbr> after the update various apps failed and i couldnt login from VT
[17:39] <Lattyware> cbr: Check the topic.
[17:40] <Lattyware> I'm presuming it's that
[17:46] <Clusty> i have just a gutsy live CD. can I copy the old libc over hardy?
[17:48] <Lattyware> Anyone know what I can do, In Ubuntu Gutsy install I had lying around, and the chroot command gives me: chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[17:53] <mohbana> hey guys i messed up my gusty installation ive got a 8800gts what i did was install the nvidia-glx-new then i installed the 169.09 drivers from their site
[17:55] <secretlondon> mohbana: this channel is for hardy
[17:55] <Seeker`> Which mirrors have the libc fix?
[17:56] <Milos_SD> Seeker`, main server
[17:57] <mohbana> any ideas :(
[17:57] <Seeker`> Milos_SD: thanks
[17:58] <Lattyware> anyone know why i'd get this: chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error while trying to fix the libc error.
[17:59] <amx109> Lattyware, you'll want the most recent hardy live cd, not the gutsy ver
[17:59] <Lattyware> right
[17:59] <Lattyware> just means downloading it, since I had a gutsy install
[17:59]  * Lattyware sighs.
[17:59] <amx109> aye
[17:59] <Lattyware> this is what I get for running a development version I guess.
[17:59] <edoceo> I updated my Hardy system yesterday and now vol_id segfaults on boot - I'm toast!
[17:59] <Lattyware> still, such things are rare.
[18:00] <amx109> heh indeed. im guessing gutsy wont work due to differences in kernel/libc et al
[18:00] <olegb> edoceo: look at topic
[18:01] <Lattyware> yeah, I kinda guessed it.
[18:01] <Lattyware> I also just realised this is 32-bit and my hardy install was 64bit, so that won't help either.
[18:03] <edoceo> olegb: yea - thats what I needed - thanks!
[18:04] <amx109> Lattyware, that would be a significant difference, yes
[18:05] <Lattyware> amx109: I was just hoping it'd be easier. Oh well, half way through the download now.
[18:07] <amikrop> I would suggest to place wesnoth 1.4 to the repos, and rename the wesnoth-all package to wesnoth.
[18:12] <amikrop> So? Where could I express my suggestion?
[18:12] <amx109> amikrop, to the packager of wesnoth?
[18:13] <Pici> amikrop: you could file a bug
[18:13] <amikrop> OK. I will. Thanks.
[18:14] <melch> Does anyone have any idea how to get sleep working on a macbook pro?
[18:15] <oxigen> why i cant execute command: chroot /mnt dpkg -i /tmp/libc6_2.7-5ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[18:15] <oxigen> ?
[18:16] <oxigen> cannot run command `dpkg': Exec format error
[18:17] <amx109> oxigen,  are u booting from a hardy live cd?
[18:17] <oxigen> no
[18:17] <oxigen> from other hd
[18:17] <amx109> from another hardy install?
[18:17] <oxigen> no other ubuntu 6.10
[18:18] <amx109> ah, that could be why. the kernel/libc ver might be too different for it to work
[18:18] <melch> Anyone have any ideas of sleep on? I have no idea what could be wrong. I think it might be nvidia or the ath_pci(madwifi) modules
[18:18] <amx109> oxigen, d/l the hardy live cd and run the fix from there
[18:18] <oxigen> amx109: ok, thanks
[18:19] <oxigen> amx109: do you think that is alpha 5 ok too?
[18:20] <amx109> oxigen, you mean using the alpha 5 live cd? if so, then i think it should be fine
[18:20] <oxigen> amx109: ok, 10x again :)
[18:21] <melch> Anyone?
[18:21] <amx109> melch, had any luck lookin in the forums for a fix?
[18:21] <TheArthur> can i make 2 packages that both provide: package-foo and then install them both?
[18:24] <secretlondon> no - packages can't install the same file
[18:24] <ccooke> secretlondon: a provide isn't a file
[18:24] <ccooke> TheArthur: Yes, you can
[18:24] <melch> Anyone have any idea on why I can't suspend
[18:24] <ccooke> TheArthur: so long as they don't have any other conflicts or replaces or whatever
[18:24] <TheArthur> ccooke, thanks
[18:24] <TheArthur> :)
[18:25] <ccooke> what do you want to provide?
[18:25] <melch> Are you talking to me?
[18:25] <ccooke> be aware that Debian provides a mechanism for multiple packages providing the same files - the alternatives system.
[18:27] <ccooke> TheArthur: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91
[18:27] <JDahl> is it safe to update libc6 now?
[18:28] <secretlondon> depends, not on my mirror
[18:28] <ccooke> TheArthur: (This will only affect you if you want to provide the same file as another package, and it will only work if the other package also uses the alternatives system. The good part is, pretty much every package that provides something it's normal to use one of a set of *does* use it)
[18:28] <secretlondon> ccooke: thanks :)
[18:30] <melch> ccooke have any ideas on my sleep problem?
[18:31] <savvas> yeah, anti-depressants
[18:31] <ccooke> melch: none, I'm afraid. I've not used a MBP
[18:31] <savvas> :)
[18:33] <tgelter> JDahl: it's ok on the us mirror
[18:34] <secretlondon> it's not on gb
[18:34] <melch> Is there a place I can go to find the common problems for sleep
[18:34] <tgelter> melch: a sleep clinic =)
[18:34] <savvas> ah just get it from packages.ubuntu.com and stop complaining :p
[18:34] <secretlondon> melch: acpi?
[18:35] <savvas> melch: have you tried the uwsusp ?
[18:35] <savvas> uswsusp
[18:35] <melch> savvas what is that?
[18:35] <melch> yes acpi
[18:35] <savvas> a package for hibernation
[18:35] <savvas> apt-cache show uswsusp
[18:36] <savvas> you could try the logs, such as /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg
[18:36] <savvas> the dmesg command
[18:36] <mrtimdog> I've just updated and now compiz has stopped working with a message in .xsession-errors "There is no available graphics driver for your system which supports the composite extension.". It was working yeserday. Is this to do with the driver selection of xorg or gnome-appearance-preferences, or something else?
[18:37] <bmk789> is anyone else having trouble with hibernate?
[18:37] <melch> me
[18:37] <secretlondon> a change in the last 24 hours now makes my brightness applet work :)
[18:37] <melch> should i run uswsusp
[18:37] <bmk789> melch: does it just not work or do you get an error on boot?
[18:38] <melch> just doesn't work
[18:38] <savvas> mrtimdog: select it from system -> administration -> screens and graphics
[18:39] <savvas> mrtimdog: you probably didn't get the restricted modules for your kernel
[18:39] <melch> savvas should i run it now that i've installed it
[18:39] <bmk789> does anyone know how hibernate works in ubuntu?
[18:39] <coz_> any idea if gimp-svg will be avaiable for hardy ?
[18:39] <mrtimdog> savvas: I've the restricted mods installed. Just trying to manually select my driver now...
[18:39] <savvas> melch: read their website on how to use it: http://suspend.sourceforge.net/
[18:40] <Rudin_> hi
[18:40] <bmk789> !hibernate
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:40] <Rudin_> the default games have disappeared.  I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Heron.  How can I recover them?
[18:40] <bmk789> !hibernation
[18:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:41] <Yacci> hi
[18:41] <savvas> mrtimdog: $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic
[18:41] <savvas> linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic: Installed: 2.6.24-12.22 Candidate: 2.6.24-12.22
[18:41] <savvas> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-12-generic: Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-12.31 Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>-12.31
[18:41] <Yacci> need help.
[18:41] <Rudin_> how can I have a list of this room users at the right in this Xchat program?
[18:41] <bmk789> melch: can you help me see if were having the same hibernate problem?
[18:41] <Yacci> I need to get the build-Directory in the " <IP_ADDRESS>-generic"-Directory
[18:42] <mrtimdog> savvas: Yep, all match current.
[18:42] <Yacci> can anybody tell me how or where to get it?
[18:42] <savvas> Rudin_: check the preferences/options, something about a nickname list
[18:42] <mrtimdog> savvas: Also just noticed (in .xsession-errors): Found laptop using ati driver. \n aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[18:42] <savvas> mrtimdog: well ok, try and set it manually and log out / log in again, see if it works
[18:43] <savvas> ah dunno about ati :)
[18:43] <savvas> could be a driver failure
[18:45] <Rudin_> savvas: I cannot find the option, I can show a floating window with the nicknames with CTL + U, but I can not make it fixed to the right
[18:47] <emefarr> UB`: Broadcom nic issue under alpha6 - nic was "disabled" after first round of updates.   Issued "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" && "sudo dhclient eth0" and back up and running.  Thanks again for your help!
[18:47] <Yacci> i really need help because on google i can not find anything about it!
[18:48] <bmk789> melch?
[18:50] <mitch_> hey sorry this is melch
[18:50] <mitch_> who was i talking to
[18:50] <bmk789> me
[18:50] <mitch_> hey
[18:50] <bmk789> could you help me see if were having the same problem?
[18:51] <mitch_> sure shoot
[18:51] <bmk789> if its the same, this command should give 0kb for all 3
[18:51] <bmk789> run "cat /proc/meminfo|grep Swap"
[18:51] <clusty> hey
[18:51] <mrtimdog> Anyone else using compiz with the ati driver on a laptop?
[18:51] <clusty> i managed to fix my libc issue but now the X does not work properly anymore:
[18:52] <mitch_> only 0 for the 1st
[18:52] <clusty> my nvidia card does not get recognized anymore
[18:52] <mitch_> then the amount of my swamp for the other 2
[18:52] <clusty> any hints?
[18:52] <mitch_> clusty try envy
[18:52] <clusty> mitch_, its supposed to be a no no as far as ubuntu goes?
[18:52] <clusty> was it not?
[18:52] <bmk789> ok, then its clearing your swap partition instead of using the hibernate data, it refuses to mount my swap at all
[18:52] <clusty> ...or at least some guys scared me off
[18:53] <mitch_> sometime the kernel upgrade fucks with with the mod
[18:53] <mitch_> When that happens i use envysudo s2disk
[18:53] <mitch_> *envy
[18:53] <mitch_> i'm assuming you tried the restricted drivers
[18:53] <mitch_> brb
[18:54] <clusty> well restricted dont get listed anymore
[18:54] <edoceo> mrtimdog: ati+compiz = headache for me
[18:54] <clusty> i mean i have the nvidia-glx-new package
[18:55] <clusty> but nothing in the GUI thingy
[18:55] <mrtimdog> edoceo: Things have been fine until last compiz update. Just trying to work out which package a bug might belong to.
[18:56] <clusty> doing envy now
[18:56] <edoceo> I got hit with the libc6 bug, I tried the update listed at the top of this channel and I still get the segfaults - other ideas?
[18:56] <Yacci> no help, see you
[18:57] <clusty> edoceo, read the forum link
[18:57] <clusty> some dud tells you how to fix using a regular live CD
[18:57] <clusty> ...no matter which kind
[18:58] <h3sp4wn> dpkg --root=/mnt --force-depends -i *.deb
[18:58] <melch> back
[18:58] <h3sp4wn> (have the old or fixed debs in that dir)
[18:59] <clusty> h3sp4wn, wont work
[18:59] <melch> savvas that didn't work
[18:59] <melch> it would suspend but then freeze
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> clusty: That is exactly how I fixed it in 5 mins
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> at dinner time today
[18:59] <clusty> mine choked
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> (using grml)
[18:59] <bmk789> melch: i mightve found the fix for hibernate, let me test it real quick
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> and the root partition on /mnt
[18:59] <h3sp4wn> then reinstalled manually everything in dpkg -C
[19:00] <clusty> launchpad link
[19:00] <h3sp4wn> and all is god
[19:00] <clusty> and follow second part
[19:00] <clusty> (not the ramdisk thing)
[19:00] <WelshDragon> Ah, so it has been fixed :)
[19:00]  * WelshDragon updates
[19:00] <WelshDragon> There any way to tell if its propagated to my mirror yet?
[19:00] <WelshDragon> or should i wait 2 days?
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> apt-cache policy libc6
[19:01] <WelshDragon> thank you
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> the version number you want is in the topic
[19:01] <melch> uswsusp isn't working
[19:01] <secretlondon> still 1 on gb mirror :(
[19:02] <WelshDragon> 2.7-9ubuntu2 ...theres no dash after the 9...that matter?
[19:02] <Turski> err?
[19:02] <secretlondon> I get Candidate: 2.7-9ubuntu1 :(
[19:03] <WelshDragon> Ymgeisydd: 2.7-9ubuntu2
[19:03] <edoceo> h3sp4wn: When you say *.deb there is that only for the libc package or did you have others?
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: I used libc6 and libc6-i686
[19:04] <h3sp4wn> It needs to be from a live cd so you have a working dpkg
[19:04] <edoceo> Ohh - I didn't try the i686 one -
[19:04] <edoceo> I'm uing a Alphac6 live cd to try it now - thanks!
[19:05] <edoceo> Does it matter that my CD is Ubuntu and my install is Kubuntu?  libc6 should be the same on both right?
[19:05] <h3sp4wn> That won't be a problem
[19:10] <desrt> hello.
[19:10] <desrt> is anyone else experiencing weird random crashes in many different apps in hardy?
[19:11] <Yacci> What does a program mean when it says "set KERNELPATH" ???
[19:11] <mrtimdog> Anyone know why the ati and radeon drivers has been blacklisted from laptops?
[19:11] <h3sp4wn> What do you mean ?
[19:11] <rsk> mrtimdog: it dosen't woork so good
[19:12] <rsk> with mobility cards
[19:12] <rsk> not _all_ laptops are blacklisted mrtimdog
[19:12] <mrtimdog> I'm using a Radeon Mobility 7500 and it's been working ok?
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> Compiz can work find on my mobility
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> *fine
[19:12] <rsk> file a bug then
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> But I have to use 16 bit color and some hacks somewhere broke xv in that colordepth
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> (clean Debian driver is alright but I am not bothered for compiz anyway)
[19:13] <Pici> h3sp4wn: Thats not really working then, is it?
[19:13] <Pici> h3sp4wn: er, wrong person, sorry.
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> (that xv thing is without compiz also)
[19:14] <Pici> mrtimdog: If its working fine, file a bug for your card to be whitelisted, include the card's pci id
[19:14] <Pici> h3sp4wn: I forgot who was saying what :x
[19:14] <mrtimdog> Pici: Just reading another similar bug.
[19:14] <mrtimdog> !201330
[19:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 201330 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:14] <mitch_> not working
[19:14] <mitch_> i am powned
[19:15] <mitch_> Anyone have any idea how to get sleep working
[19:15] <secretlondon> bug #201330
[19:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201330 in compiz "Need to whitelist multiple ATI cards, or remove blacklisting" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201330
[19:15] <mrtimdog> secretlondon: doh! thanks.
[19:16] <Yacci> What does a program mean when it says "set KERNELPATH" ?
[19:18] <edoceo> So now that I've updated my libc6 files (libc6, libc6-i686,libc6-dev) how can I test before I reboot? Chroot into my system and run ls?
[19:21] <edoceo> yes - chroot was OK, able to run various commands, apt-get update, etc.  Policy shows 2.7.9 - 2 on US mirrors -
[19:21] <edoceo> I'm back baby!
[19:21] <clusty> X works now just fine with envy
[19:22] <clusty> my fav gnome widget crashes - hardware sensors
[19:22] <clusty> worth doing a bug report?
[19:22] <Pici> clusty: always
[19:22] <secretlondon> yes pls
[19:23] <secretlondon> new libc6 finally arrived on my mirror :)
[19:24] <flipstar> i still have Version: 2.7-5ubuntu2.. installed and availible..
[19:24] <flipstar> using kde
[19:25] <tamarind> flipstar: hows good is kubuntu kde4?
[19:25] <amon__> hi
[19:26] <flipstar> im still using kde3 with some kde4 apps :) kde4 desktop isnt really good for me
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: Some wierdness happened only in my initramfs so after its done then update-initramfs -k all -u would probably be a good idea
[19:26] <amon__> i have a problem with audio in hardy
[19:27] <edoceo> h3sp4wn: Yea - I had to do that too
[19:28] <tamarind> flipstar: opensuse's livecd seduced me into installing kde4 under ubuntu. it sucked :-(
[19:28] <edoceo> I'm also loving my KDE4
[19:28] <ConstyXIV> i'm wondering, what does policykit do, and why should i care?
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> edoceo: Is the fonts issue fixed ?
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> last time I tried it the fonts were stupidly big
[19:29] <flipstar> tamarind: same on fedora9..works great there ..
[19:29] <edoceo> I'm not aware of any fonts issue - mine seem fine to me