[10:56] <Printer> Anyone get Tomcat5 running under Dapper?  I type this in my browser "http://localhost:8080" and I get "connection refused" but I know the service is running.
[10:56] <Astro73> mwe, <http://pastebin.com/652170> is my config file
[10:56] <thebigearl> and?
[10:56] <Fino> it gives me error says that i dont have the codecs which i have
[10:56] <jpatota> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/dvd/
[10:56] <crimsun> Chudik: close the sound dialog, type the following in a Terminal: set-default-soundcard 0
[10:56] <thebigearl> what do they say
[10:56] <crimsun> Chudik: sorry, that 0 should be 1
[10:57] <Lhademmor> What is the #1 source for absolute newbie Linux (i.e. not Ubuntu-specific) documentation?
[10:57] <YellowTeeth> can someone tell me the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[10:57] <Chudik> crimsun: yes i got it , thank you mate
[10:57] <Fino> i think i can slove my problem just give me a link
[10:57] <IdleOne> Lhademmor, wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:57] <Chudik> crimsun: ill check it now
[10:57] <thebigearl> Fino try : apt-get install gstreamer
[10:57] <Sionide> YellowTeeth, ubuntu uses Gnome, kubuntu uses KDE. see gnome.org and kde.org
[10:57] <IdleOne> YellowTeeth, ubuntu is gnome and kubuntu is kde
[10:57] <bimberi> jpatota: http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/5.10/release/
[10:57] <Sionide> IdleOne, totally beat you to it ;)
[10:57] <duelboot> alright, time for the webcam app wars to begin...what is the best webcam app to use?  PS I tried GnomeMeeting and am looking for something else (unless you can tell me how to increse the geometry of the window)
[10:57] <YellowTeeth> whats difference between gnome and kde
[10:57] <IdleOne> duelboot, you did
[10:58] <duelboot> IdleOne, did what?
[10:58] <Lhademmor> IdleOne, does the wiki have a section with an introduction to "what is Linux" and basics or something like that?
[10:58] <Astro73> YellowTeeth, try them both and start naming them
[10:58] <IdleOne> duelboot, wrong person lol I meant Sionide beat me to it
[10:58] <thebigearl> or try to install everything you can find with gstreamer with synaptic
[10:58] <earthen> YellowTeeth,  they are 2 differant windows managers
[10:58] <Fino>  apt-get install gstreamer
[10:58] <Fino> Reading package lists... Done
[10:58] <Fino> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:58] <Fino> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer
[10:58] <Sionide> YellowTeeth, not much - use ubuntu though, it's better :P
[10:58] <pike_> Fino: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <mwe> Astro73: what's the read only = No? shouldn't it say writeable = yes?
[10:59] <Sionide> YellowTeeth, they're just different ways of looking at linux... basically.
[10:59] <ompaul> Fino, do not paste here again, use paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:59] <IdleOne> Lhademmor, you can google for linux basics
[10:59] <erUSUL> Fino, do not paste here please
[10:59] <thebigearl> Fino try to find it with synaptic
[10:59] <YellowTeeth> sionide thanks
[10:59] <Astro73> mwe, not according to the samba docs online, the URL is at the top of the conf
[10:59] <Lhademmor> d'oh. I'm dumb...
[10:59] <Chudik> crimsun: still the same
[10:59] <IdleOne> !tell Lhademmor about cli
[10:59] <thebigearl> there is a bunch of gstreamer files you can install
[10:59] <IdleOne> Lhademmor, no your not ...proof is you want to learn
[10:59] <Lhademmor> thank you.
[10:59] <glimp999> i run chkrootkit it says ...Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  31337)
[10:59] <glimp999> , what should i do about it?
[11:00] <thebigearl> i dont know exactly the name of the one you have to install
[11:00] <erUSUL> !tell Fino about sources
[11:00] <mwe> Astro73: well mine says writeable = yes
[11:00] <Astro73> mwe, samba 3?
[11:00] <jpatota> bimberi, thanks
[11:00] <Lhademmor> Another question: How do I join a translation team in Rosetta? I can translate and all, but I can't seem to find any way of joining the Danish translation team.
[11:00] <Sionide> YellowTeeth, no trouble - hope you enjoy using ubuntu
[11:00] <bimberi> jpatota: yw :)
[11:00] <mwe> Astro73: yeah. it says read only = yes under printers though
[11:01] <IdleOne> Lhademmor, email them ( the team ) and ask
[11:01] <pike_> glimp999: thats a service ubuntu has that allows us to assist you remotely if necessary now please pm me with your userid and wheel user password
[11:01] <mwe> Astro73: it's just a slightly modification of the default config file that ubuntu supplies
[11:01] <Lhademmor> They state that "everyone are able to join". I'll see if I can find a mail adress, though.
[11:01] <ompaul> pike_, not nic - leave it
[11:01] <ompaul> s/nic/funny
[11:02] <IdleOne> duelboot, apt-cache search webcam
[11:02] <sophtpaw> Folks, how do i create a preference for an application, please. Viz. i want Mplayer to pop up as default instaed of Totem - thx!
[11:02] <Printer> Okay.  I didn't realize that under ubuntu tomcat runs on 8180 not 8080.  Ugh!
[11:02] <duelboot> thx IdleOne
[11:02] <sfar> crimsun: sorry i was afk for a moment.. its hard to say if it sounds "crappy" .. mp3's almonst sounds like a blown speaker (i dont know if that's the correct term, i mean a speaker that sounds bad because you played way to loud with it:)). i have checked with my headphones and it sounds the same
[11:02] <Astro73> mwe, I tried a number of config files, and this is the one that's worked the best so far
[11:02] <mwe> Printer: you can easily change that
[11:02] <sfar> i think startup.wav sounded a bit like that too crimsun
[11:03] <mwe> Astro73: I see
[11:03] <Printer> mwe:  Oh good.  How would I do that?
[11:03] <bimberi> glimp999: are you running portsentry as well?
[11:03] <mwe> Printer: It's been a while since I used it. in the config file
[11:03] <Printer> mwe:  K.  I'll poke around.
[11:03] <Astro73> mwe, let me try it
[11:03] <glimp999> what is portsentry?
[11:04] <mwe> Astro73: you need to reload samba afterwards
[11:04] <sfar> crimsun: i listened again and it sounds "blown" (at least my speakers arent blown as i thougt in the beginning.. weee)
[11:04] <Lhademmor> Regarding joining the Rosetta team. It states: "Open Team. Any user can join and no approval is required."
[11:04] <bimberi> glimp999: probably a 'no' then :) - this page says that chkrootkit will give that positive if portsentry is running - http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/chkrootkit_portsentry/
[11:04] <sophtpaw> please, hello !
[11:05] <bimberi> !tell sophtpaw about defaultapp
[11:05] <duelboot> IdleOne, installed and ran...it seems to run, but no popup window, now what?
[11:05] <sophtpaw> thx bimberi for hearing me
[11:05] <IdleOne> duelboot, installed what and ran how?
[11:05] <glimp999> okay thanks for the link
[11:05] <YellowTeeth> what is the difference between the dvd download of ubuntu and the cd download?
[11:05] <Astro73> mwe, btw, how do I reload samba? it takes so long to reboot
[11:05] <bimberi> sophtpaw: :)
[11:06] <duelboot> IdleOne, uhh, what you told me :)   webcam...from terminal
[11:06] <bimberi> Astro73: sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart
[11:06] <mwe> Astro73: sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload
[11:06] <mwe> bimberi: reload is sufficient I think
[11:06] <bimberi> mwe: kk
[11:06] <IdleOne> duelboot, I told you to apt-cache search webcam and see if anything hits you
[11:06] <mwe> bimberi: restarting wont hurt though
[11:06] <IdleOne> duelboot, I dont know what it is you installed
[11:06] <duelboot> oh, sorry IdleOne ...webcam hit
[11:07] <duelboot> webcam
[11:07] <Astro73> w/e
[11:07] <YellowTeeth> what is the difference between the dvd download of ubuntu and the cd download?
[11:07] <duelboot> simply webcam IdleOne
[11:07] <IdleOne> lemme check it out
[11:07] <sovieticool> where dos firefox is instaled ?
[11:07] <mwe> YellowTeeth: one is a dvd iso. the other is a cd iso. the dvd contains more
[11:07] <bimberi> YellowTeeth: dvd is live+install and has more packages
[11:07] <Astro73> mwe, now the directory isn't accessable at all
[11:07] <sovieticool> on  /opt/firefox ?
[11:07] <mwe> Astro73: oh
[11:08] <YellowTeeth> ah
[11:08] <YellowTeeth> cheers
[11:08] <[cro] smiley> does anyone have axperience with gnomemm with Anjuta?
[11:08] <IdleOne> duelboot, I dont think the webcam package is what you want
[11:09] <IdleOne> I think maybe that camorama package is more what you need
[11:09] <mwe> Astro73: maybe you need to modify the perms of the dir
[11:09] <IdleOne> duelboot, apt-cache show package will give you a brief description of what the package is for
[11:09] <duelboot> yea, used it once, but thought something might have more options...I'll stick with it for now..thx IdleOne
[11:09] <duelboot> IdleOne, camorama that is
[11:10] <Astro73> mwe, it's 666 or higher
[11:10] <IdleOne> duelboot, think I might give it a try also and plug in my camera
[11:10] <mwe> Astro73: I don't know then
[11:10] <Astro73> chmod -R a+rw workspace
[11:10] <duelboot> okay, maybe you could PM and we could test
[11:10] <mwe> Astro73: yeah
[11:11] <IdleOne> duelboot, installing now I'll pm in a minute
[11:11] <YellowTeeth> www.vandalsquad.com <<can someone tell me if they can view this page properly with firefox, you're supposed to see Paint Online, Paint Offline in the Flash section
[11:11] <duelboot> k IdleOne
[11:11] <comradevik>  ibuild depends on python (<< 2.4); however:
[11:11] <comradevik>   Version of python on system is 2.4.2-0ubuntu2.
[11:11] <comradevik> is there a way to fix that
[11:12] <winston> can anyone explain how to get my keys into both publi and pricate using encryption key manager?
[11:12] <sovieticool>  IdleOne i install a new version of firefox ..where is instaled ? is on /opt/firefox ?
[11:12] <mwe> YellowTeeth: it seems to work here
[11:12] <sfar> YellowTeeth: works
[11:12] <winston> I just get one file when I export
[11:12] <papaubuntu> any russions here?
[11:12] <winston> shouldnt I have 2 keys, a public and a private?
[11:12] <papaubuntu> we need a russion native speaker
[11:12] <YellowTeeth> i'm having problems viewing it with my firefox
[11:12] <papaubuntu> for a little help
[11:12] <tanuki> can someone help me change my grub boot loader spash screen? i downloaded a theme off of gnomelook.org but i cannot seem to make it work
[11:13] <mwe> YellowTeeth: maybe flash player isn't installed correctly. can you view other flash pages?
[11:13] <YellowTeeth> dunno i'l check
[11:14] <Astro73> that's just lovely. Even after removing the change, it doesn't work
[11:14] <YellowTeeth> mwe other flash sites dont work either
[11:14] <winston> need help getting keys for encryption
[11:15] <mwe> YellowTeeth: did you install the flash player?
[11:15] <Howitzer> Wtf
[11:15] <winston> I made a key pair, but it only gives me one file?!?
[11:15] <YellowTeeth> yea i'm sure i did from synaptic
[11:15] <YellowTeeth> mwe yes
[11:15] <Howitzer> I don't see why i get 50% cpu usage with gnomeboyadvance and gvba while i have 2% cpu usage when using those programs in XP :s
[11:16] <YellowTeeth> mwe from synaptic
[11:16] <mwe> YellowTeeth: but are you using the ubuntu version of firefox
[11:16] <Howitzer> i have a 3.0ghz P4 ffs
[11:16] <YellowTeeth> yeah
[11:16] <YellowTeeth> mwe yes
[11:16] <winston> Need help getting my public key out
[11:16] <magical_trevsky> Hi all, does anyone know of a usb wifi adapter that'll work out of the box on ubuntu and is easily obtainable in the UK?
[11:16] <winston> using encryption key manager
[11:16] <winston> can anyone help?
[11:17] <duelboot> tanuki, hold on, I'll put something in pastebin
[11:17] <YellowTeeth> mwe which version am i supposed to use?
[11:17] <mwe> YellowTeeth: hmm. I'm not sure it's necesary if you use the default ff version, but I have links in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ to flash player
[11:17] <gareth41> hello
[11:17] <mwe> YellowTeeth: using the default verion is fine
[11:17] <mwe> version*
[11:17] <gareth41> my comp. wont boot from a cd
[11:18] <YellowTeeth> mwe if i reinstalled ubuntu would the firefox that came with it be fine?
[11:18] <winston> can anyone help using *ENCRYPTION KEY MANAGER* ?
[11:18] <mwe> YellowTeeth: reinstalling ubuntu to get flash to work is overkill
[11:18] <mwe> YellowTeeth: just make the links
[11:19] <YellowTeeth> k
[11:19] <YellowTeeth> cheers
[11:19] <mwe> YellowTeeth: in a terminal type ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[11:19] <mwe> YellowTeeth: then restart firefox and try again
[11:19] <tanuki> what is the terminal command in linux dto see what processes are currently running?
[11:20] <sfar> tanuki: ps aux maybe
[11:20] <digen> ps -aux
[11:20] <sovieticool> flash for firefox ?
[11:20] <Jackzero> papaubuntu: what do you need?
[11:20] <tanuki> sfar:" thank you
[11:20] <sovieticool> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla --- is nor working :(
[11:21] <Sionide> !flash
[11:21] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:21] <mwe> sovieticool: how is it not woriking? it doesn't install or flash is not working?
[11:21] <eth42> sovieticool: have you actived the additional repositories for restricted formats?
[11:21] <sovieticool> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozilla
[11:21] <patrick52222> is there any good sound editing software for ubuntu or useable in wine/cedega
[11:21] <Sionide> eth42, evidently not..
[11:21] <erUSUL> patrick52222, audiacity
[11:21] <YellowTeeth> mwe
[11:21] <YellowTeeth> * dan<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[11:21] <Sionide> patrick52222, try jokosher.org
[11:21] <tanuki> can someone tell me how to make sure my ftp server starts when i login to ubuntu?
[11:22] <mwe> patrick52222: um wine/cedega is for windows programs, not ubuntu programs
[11:22] <YellowTeeth> mwe shuan@ubuntu:~$ ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[11:22] <YellowTeeth> ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[11:22] <__mikem> there doesn't appear to be a package called flashplayer-mozilla and I have all my repositories enabled
[11:22] <D4m4ge> bonsoirrr
[11:22] <Sionide> mwe, he knows that- he's asking if maybe sound editing software for windows might work okay under wine/cedega
[11:22] <jerware>  /etd/init.d/telnet  does not work.  is it becuase telnet is an xinet service or most likly becuase ububntu doesent come with telnet installed
[11:22] <comrade> is there a way I can make a file that has like 3 commands I want to execute run by leaving it on my desktop and me clicking it?
[11:22] <mwe> YellowTeeth: yes. don't you hav ~/.mozilla/plugins/ ?
[11:22] <tanuki> can someone tell me how to make sure my ftp server starts when i login to ubuntu?
[11:22] <jerware> err i mean /etd/init.d/telnet  start
[11:22] <mwe> YellowTeeth: and is it a directory?
[11:23] <Sionide> __mikem, you need custom repositories enabled
[11:23] <jerware> doesent work
[11:23] <Sionide> jerware, it's /etc/ isn't it? not /etd ?
[11:23] <YellowTeeth> yeah i jus went into the directory
[11:23] <eth42> __mikem, have you activated "multiverse"?
[11:23] <__mikem> I am not trying to install it, I was just helping someone
[11:23] <__mikem> I already have it installed myself
[11:23] <jerware> sorry typo
[11:23] <__mikem> but thanks
[11:23] <james__> anyone know the path that xine/totem/kaffine searches for codecs, I have the w32codecs installed, but xine is not finding them (but vlc is)
[11:23] <jerware> yes i know better. that it's /etc/init.d/<service>
[11:24] <[cro] smiley> does anyone have axperience with gnomemm with Anjuta?
[11:24] <eth42> __mikem: yw :-))
[11:24] <venin> cheers
[11:24] <scorchsaber> There is no 3D support for ATI cards at all, is there...
[11:24] <mwe> YellowTeeth: and ls -l, does that show correct links to flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so?
[11:24] <YellowTeeth> mwe libflash-mozplugin.so is in there and libswfdecmozilla.so
[11:24] <tanuki> can someone tell me how to make sure my ftp server starts when i login to ubuntu?
[11:24] <eth42>  james__: I'm not sure whether they all use the same codecs
[11:25] <pike_> comrade: open a text editor and make the first line #!/bin/bash and the next lines whatever you want to run then sudo chmod +x filename to make it executable
[11:25] <duelboot> tanuki, for the splash image...see this link...no promises:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30341&highlight=grub+splash+image+howto
[11:25] <jerware> according to synaptec package manager, telnet is installed.  so how do i turn it on?
[11:25] <eth42>  james__: I think xine and mplayer is, but vlc and totem with gstreamer??
[11:25] <jerware> must i first learn xint.d ?
[11:25] <erUSUL> eth42, sudo update-rc.d <ftp> defaults
[11:25] <james__> tanuki,  update-rc.d apache2 defaults
[11:25] <james__> tanuki,  update-rc.d pureftp defaults
[11:26] <mwe> YellowTeeth: I wonder why the ln -s command failed
[11:26] <james__> or whatever ftp server you are using (look in /etc/init.d/ for the list)
[11:26] <YellowTeeth> mwe strange eh
[11:26] <mwe> YellowTeeth: try ln -fns /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[11:27] <szb004> hi
[11:28] <cake> hey anyone know what to set in gconf in order to use the touchpad (synaptics) to control the window opacity in compiz?
[11:28] <YellowTeeth> mwe ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory
[11:28] <james__> eth42, I've copied the mplayer codecs from the site and added them to /usr/lib/share/w32codecs, and then symlinked the directory to /usr/codecs and /usr/local/lib/codecs
[11:28] <venin> i think ive removed VLC .. but when i right click a file and "open with" ..VLC is still there.. how to remove it?
[11:28] <mwe> YellowTeeth: it is, isn't it?
[11:28] <IdleOne> hey duelboot thanks btw your question got me to get out my webcam and start importing pictures :)
[11:28] <jerware> does xinetd exist only on fedora and red hat?
[11:28] <james__> eth42, I'm using dapper now, but it was working under breezy
[11:28] <YellowTeeth> yep
[11:28] <mwe> ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins
[11:28] <pike_> ven maybe dpkg --purge vlc but not sure
[11:29] <duelboot> IdleOne, sweet
[11:29] <__mikem> I am going on a trip in a few days where I will want to have both a windows machine and a linux machine, am I better off bringing two laptops or one live cd
[11:29] <eth42> james__: I always used /usr/lib/win32
[11:29] <eobanb_> __mikem, or you could dual boot...
[11:29] <duelboot> IdleOne, and your answer got me nothing....lololololol :)))))
[11:29] <malicche> ciao muli, come faccio a installare un driver wifi per ubuntu?
[11:29] <IdleOne> duelboot, sorry :/
[11:29] <ltR^> Today I booted into ubuntu like I do everyday and I saw that my theme was gone and replaced with somthing else and my font was all blurry and very hard to read. It's like this in the gnome menus, clock gaim, firefox...
[11:29] <duelboot> IdleOne, no worries...
[11:30] <__mikem> THe laptop I use to run linux is mine but the windows machine is my dads, and we don't have any spare license keys lieing around
[11:30] <IdleOne> anybody know how duelboot can do some video conferencing?
[11:30] <duelboot> IdleOne, i'm still laughing at my comment back to you
[11:30] <james__> eth42, I've got that directory full of codecs as well (or symlinked in anyway)
[11:30] <malicche> hola, please, how can i access a wi-fi network with ubuntu?
[11:30] <duelboot> beside gnomemeeting
[11:30] <gmi01> Hello, i know this is a newbie question, but is there any reason to suspect that ubuntu shoudn't work with any projector?
[11:30] <eth42> james__: ok, i don't know
[11:30] <mwe> !tell malicche about wifi
[11:30] <mwe> malicche: read /msg from ubotu
[11:30] <duelboot> IdleOne, much better phrased than my original...thx
[11:30] <IdleOne> duelboot, sometimes its all it takes :)
[11:31] <pike_> duelboot: you can always use vlc to stream the webcams
[11:31] <scorchsaber> Hey. I downoaded (via synaptic) ffmpeg and gstreamer ffmpeg. I'd like to know why I still can't play mpeg video files, I'm forced to play them with gxine.
[11:31] <duelboot> pike_, lemme try
[11:31] <james__> eth42, well thanks for the time
[11:31] <pike_> duelboot: just use the wizard
[11:32] <devnull> can onyone help me with a fglrx issue ?
[11:32] <duelboot> pike_, i just launched it, don't see it
[11:32] <duelboot> vlc media player? pike_?
[11:32] <pike_> its like file/connectionwizard
[11:32] <mwe> devnull: posibly if you elaborate
[11:32] <silvercat> is there a nice front-end for smbclient, like "my network places" in windows?
[11:32] <mwe> silvercat: smb:/
[11:32] <tanuki> duelboot: thanks mucho, i will try this
[11:33] <mwe> silvercat: I use smb4k though
[11:33] <eth42> scorchsaber: do you want to play in totem?
[11:33] <devnull> mwe when running fglrx i get these errors : X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[11:33] <devnull>   Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
[11:33] <silvercat> mwe, isnt that like an ugly kde app?
[11:33] <devnull>   Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[11:33] <duelboot> tanuki, think I just installed grub-splash somethingorother from synaptic, you may want to try that first
[11:33] <scorchsaber> eth42: And anywhere else with gstreamer, preferably...
[11:33] <devnull> and 2 more lines but i don't want to flood
[11:33] <mwe> silvercat: no it's like a damn kewl kde app
[11:33] <mindspin> I'm running thunderbird on kubuntu, I had thunderbird installed in my home folder, installed a newer version by apt-get install and now Thunderbird starts with empty settings how can I move my Profile/settings/mail to the correct place?
[11:34] <mwe> silvercat: go to smb:/ in working file browser (not nautilus) if you don't like kde
[11:34] <zukero> hi, where can I find the kernel build files on my dapper flight 5 ??
[11:34] <silvercat> mwe, my ubuntu came with nautilus..
[11:34] <devnull> zukero if you have the source package or the headers they should be in /usr/src
[11:34] <mwe> silvercat: yes but it's broken
[11:35] <silvercat> mwe, so what are you suggesting?
[11:35] <duelboot> tanuki, look here to:  http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/
[11:35] <mwe> silvercat: any other working file browser
[11:35] <sovieticool> done finaly
[11:35] <ubuntu> uuuu
[11:35] <ubuntu> i new user :)
[11:35] <mwe> silvercat: I use konqueror, but it seems you don't like kde
[11:35] <YellowTeeth> mwe where did you download and install the flash plugins from
[11:35] <sophtpaw> what does 'there is no mrl' mean - its so frustrating
[11:36] <mwe> YellowTeeth: macromedia.com
[11:36] <duelboot> and I thought ubuntu was a distro?
[11:36] <apokryphos> it is
[11:36] <pike_> i just added functions to my program. i can do simple functions! ima genius!
[11:36] <duelboot> now I find out ubuntu is a new user   :)
[11:36] <devnull> pretty lost on this one since i am using ati's drivers and libs
[11:37] <mwe> pike_: wow
[11:37] <scorchsaber> eth42?
[11:37] <gnu2it2> is there a gui tool for managing LVM2 ?
[11:37] <pike_> mwe: :P
[11:37] <venin> i think ive removed VLC .. but when i right click a file and "open with" ..VLC is still there.. how to remove it?
[11:37] <eth42> scorchsaber: sorry, my solution was to use totem-xine cause I didn't care for gstreamer
[11:37] <eth42> but I guess that's not a good solution for you :-)
[11:37] <IdleOne> @Medal pike_
[11:37] <venin> if i chose vlc on that menu.. nothing pops up
[11:38] <zukero> devnull : i can't find the linux-headers package for my kernel version (2.6.15-19)
[11:38] <MetaMorfoziS> venin
[11:38] <zukero> devnull : only for 2.6.15-20
[11:38] <MetaMorfoziS> kcontrol
[11:38] <scorchsaber> eth42: Well, problem is that I can't view Movies in ScummVM, and I think I might have made a stupid assumtion, that it uses gstreamer. But then, it doesn't use xine...
[11:38] <MetaMorfoziS> i dunno how it writed in english
[11:39] <tanuki> can someone tell me how to change the permissions of my filesystem so i can write files there?
[11:39] <devnull> zukero where did you get your kernel from ?
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> venin: kde-components
[11:39] <zukero> dapper's cd
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> and file-blaa
[11:39] <scorchsaber> tanuki: if it's NTFS, I don't beleive you can
[11:39] <devnull> mwe any ideas ?
[11:39] <venin> gnome..
[11:39] <mwe> tanuki: what file system?
[11:39] <scorchsaber> tanuki: And if you could, it probably would corrupt it....
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> where you can set the file assigns
[11:39] <eth42> scorchsaber: i don't think that but actually i don't know
[11:39] <tanuki> no, my ubuntu file system
[11:39] <eth42> scorchsaber: which game?
[11:39] <MetaMorfoziS> gnome.. i dunno
[11:39] <tanlaan> hey all
[11:39] <mwe> tanuki: please don't it will break things
[11:40] <scorchsaber> eth42: Beneath a Steel Sky
[11:40] <tanlaan> would reinstalling ubuntu be the best way to get all the apps i want?
[11:40] <mwe> tanuki: you can do it in your home dir. don't do it system wide
[11:40] <scorchsaber> tanuki: Changing permissions like that is a major security risk
[11:40] <venin> MetaMorfoziS, and its the right click on the desktop that need change
[11:40] <tanlaan> like maybe choose custom install for the packages instead of just normal
[11:40] <eth42> scorchsaber: I think I managed to have movies for broken sword
[11:40] <scorchsaber> tanuki: It negates a lot of Linux's good security features, such as root
[11:40] <tanuki> what is the command to rename a fie?
[11:40] <erUSUL> tanuki, mv
[11:41] <sophtpaw> too many video packets?
[11:41] <mwe> scorchsaber: and breaks things as well
[11:41] <eth42> scorchsaber: isn't there  #scummvm ?
[11:41] <sophtpaw> anyone know what too many video packets means, when i try to get mplayer to play a dvd?
[11:41] <scorchsaber> mwe: what would it break? I can't for the life of me figure that out?
[11:41] <scorchsaber> eth42: I'll check it out
[11:41] <tanlaan> well i guess im gonna do it...
[11:41] <scorchsaber> eth42: Thanks
[11:41] <straylite> hi guys; i'm having trouble installing ubuntu-desktop on a server install of 5.10; apt-get breaks. any thoughts?
[11:41] <tanlaan> anyways
[11:42] <tanlaan> ooo
[11:42] <IdleOne> straylite, any errors?
[11:42] <mwe> scorchsaber: some programs wont run if perms are wrong
[11:42] <tanlaan> another question
[11:42] <tanlaan> how do u get apache2 to work?
[11:42] <tanlaan> like how do u access the program?
[11:42] <scorchsaber> mwe: That seems kind of odd. Interesting thing to know though
[11:42] <straylite> idleone: yeah, The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ubuntu-desktop: Depends: irssi-text but it is not going to be installed                  Depends: xchat but it is not going to be installed
[11:42] <IdleOne> !tell tanlaan about apache
[11:42] <sophtpaw> anyone know what it means: too many video packets in the buffer?
[11:42] <zukero> devnull : if I switch kernel for the latest version, will I have to do lots of admin stuff (like reinstall nvidia...) ?
[11:42] <ompaul> crimsun, if I siad cao106-dat is that enough info for a creative setup?
[11:42] <eth42> scorchsaber: I thought that beneath a steal sky is quite an old game. did they have mpeg videos?
[11:42] <IdleOne> straylite, have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[11:43] <mwe> scorchsaber: some programs explicitly checks permissions and refuse to run if they're wrong
[11:43] <straylite> yes
[11:43] <tanlaan> time to go reinstall
[11:43] <tanlaan> yay
[11:43] <tanlaan>  lol
[11:43] <tanlaan> bye all
[11:43] <straylite> although i'm going to double-check that
[11:43] <sophtpaw> ok, i give up
[11:43] <IdleOne> straylite, you can sudo apt-get install  xchat irssi-common then try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:43] <devnull> zukero idk how you installed the nvidia drivers but i would imagine if you use a ubuntu kernel just reinstall that nvidia package after you install the kernel
[11:43] <sophtpaw> its tough getting attention here sometimes
[11:43] <scorchsaber> eth42: I really don't know....
[11:43] <Wizz_Kidd> Unable to retrieve the printer list. Error message received from manager:
[11:43] <Wizz_Kidd> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason.
[11:44] <zukero> k i'll try that
[11:44] <zukero> thx
[11:44] <Wizz_Kidd> whats the prob here
[11:44] <devnull> i could never get used to the debkernels so i use vanilla kernels and i like to reinstall the drivers if i change versions
[11:44] <straylite> sphtpaw: what's up?
[11:44] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: to little info
[11:44] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: is cups running?
[11:45] <Wizz_Kidd> i dont know
[11:45] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: ps -e |grep cups
[11:45] <Wizz_Kidd> i herd there were some probs with Dapper linux and cupssys
[11:45] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: does it show cupsd?
[11:45] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: maybe. it works here
[11:45] <dan__> hey guys
[11:45] <Wizz_Kidd> yes it shows
[11:45] <UschkinRS> hello... does anyone know a sources.list entry to get mono and mono-develop in actual versions?
[11:45] <Wizz_Kidd> cupsd
[11:46] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: well that's good at least
[11:46] <devnull> i guess life would be easier in ubuntu if i used a deb/ubuntu kernel
[11:46] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: now what are you trying to do?
[11:46] <straylite> IdleOne: with universe and multiverse enabled, the same issue offucrs
[11:46] <Wizz_Kidd> trying to print
[11:46] <icebreak> hi, is there a DJANGO installation guide for UBUNTU ?
[11:46] <Wizz_Kidd> but when i goto printers i get
[11:46] <dan__> when i go to a terminal with ctrl+alt and F1-6 the top line is blank and the bottom of the screen is cut off... is there anything i can do?
[11:46] <Wizz_Kidd> that error message as above
[11:46] <IdleOne> straylite, can you paste your sources.list to paste.ubuntu-nl.org and give the url here please
[11:47] <__mikem> hey, some kid wants me to teach him to write viruses, I don't want to tell him off because he is not exactly an example of good self esteme, so I tried to use jargen to scare him out of it, and he still wants to learn, what should I do
[11:47] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: odd. you don't have a weird firewall rule or something?
[11:47] <straylite> ok, will do
[11:47] <IdleOne> __mikem, tell him to google it
[11:47] <Wizz_Kidd> __mikem: writinbg and learning how ot write viruses is good
[11:47] <Wizz_Kidd> really shwos flaws in system security
[11:48] <xanavim_> __mikem: pray for him  (:
[11:48] <IdleOne> Wizz_Kidd, if you are a security admin yeah
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> mwe: i dont know how do I check
[11:48] <devnull> ah ati just sucks
[11:48] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: sudo iptables -L in a terminal
[11:48] <straylite> IdleOne: sources.list in: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11998
[11:48] <IdleOne> k
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> target     prot opt source               destination
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> target     prot opt source               destination
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
[11:48] <Wizz_Kidd> target     prot opt source               destination
[11:48] <toxic_> Is there a way I can get Eterm to launch with options ? (ie I want to run something like "Eterm --command tail -f /var/log/somelog"
[11:48] <trappist> Wizz_Kidd: don't do that.
[11:48] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: don't paste in the channel
[11:49] <mwe> !paste
[11:49] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[11:49] <Wizz_Kidd> didnbt mean 2
[11:49] <__mikem> The really bad thing is when he asked me how to write programs,he asked me, do I have to go into notepad and type in all those weird numbers and symbols (he was refering to the binary data you see when you open a binary file with a text editor)
[11:49] <mwe> Wizz_Kidd: anyway you don't have any rules set up. that's not the problem
[11:49] <eagletalon> is it possible to go ubuntu hoary to kubuntu breezy with repositories?
[11:49] <Wizz_Kidd> __mikem: honestly your sounding like a child yourself man
[11:49] <IdleOne> straylite, you are still on hoary?
[11:49] <straylite> idleone: if hoary is 5.10, then yes; i always get confused with the names
[11:49] <IdleOne> ok
[11:50] <__mikem> Wizz_Kidd, not sure how, but ok
[11:50] <xanavim_> sd
[11:50] <xanavim_> oops
[11:50] <IdleOne> straylite, Im gonna have the bot send you a link follow it and make a good sorces.list
[11:50] <mwe> eagletalon: I'd just upgrade ubuntu before installing kubuntu
[11:50] <Wizz_Kidd> read your ims
[11:50] <IdleOne> !teel straylite about easysource
[11:50] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, IdleOne
[11:50] <straylite> idleone: thanks mr :)
[11:50] <IdleOne> !tel straylite about easysource
[11:50] <ubotu> IdleOne: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:50] <Wizz_Kidd> __mikem: How old are you
[11:50] <IdleOne> damnit
[11:50] <straylite> !tell straylite about easysource
[11:50] <straylite> don't fret
[11:51] <IdleOne> !tell straylite about easysource
[11:51] <__mikem> Wizz_Kidd why do you ask
[11:51] <Wizz_Kidd> lol becasue I asked .......i will tell you my age
[11:51] <IdleOne> lol straylite thanks :)
[11:51] <Wizz_Kidd> im 18
[11:51] <__mikem> ok I am 17
[11:51] <CraiZE> now you might make love
[11:51] <eth42> haha
[11:52] <mwe> heh
[11:52] <IdleOne> straylite, you will paste the new sources.list replacing the one you have then apt-get update then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:52] <CraiZE> well in a year when mikem is legal :D
[11:52] <Wizz_Kidd> nor do you know how to write viruses either
[11:52] <toxic_> Is there a way I can get Eterm to launch with options ? (ie I want to run something like "Eterm --command tail -f /var/log/somelog"
[11:52] <Wizz_Kidd> becasue those little signs and stuff you see in notepad is not binary data its machine code
[11:52] <__mikem> I know how to write viruses, I just don't feel like telling him, because its a bad craft to get into
[11:52] <CraiZE> uhm
[11:52] <Wizz_Kidd> __mikem: what have you written ?
[11:52] <CraiZE> yeah virus coders on ubuntu
[11:52] <venin> i think ive removed VLC .. but when i right click a file and "open with" ..VLC is still there.. how to remove it?
[11:52] <eth42> __mikem: yes, the dark side
[11:52] <CraiZE> lol :P
[11:52] <IdleOne> !offtopic
[11:52] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic.  We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[11:54] <Seveas> __mikem, ?
[11:54] <straylite> idleone: yeah; it's installing 381MB of stuff, which is about right
[11:54] <straylite> i might abort it and add the CD in
[11:54] <IdleOne> straylite, :) glad I could help
[11:54] <__mikem> Seveas, This wizz_kidd is being a disruption
[11:54] <IdleOne> straylite, you dont need the cd
[11:54] <Wizz_Kidd> ompaul: that wasnt nice
[11:55] <Seveas> Wizz_Kidd, consider that a warning
[11:55] <ompaul> Wizz_Kidd, do that again and your gone for the night
[11:55] <Amaranth> Wizz_Kidd: Please take off-topic discussions to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:55] <Wizz_Kidd> do what again ???????/
[11:55] <ompaul> and keep the language
[11:55] <ompaul> out of your conversation
[11:55] <Wizz_Kidd> i didnt start the damn convo and you dont know me
[11:55] <trappist> oh my
[11:55] <IdleOne> Wizz_Kidd, the cursing is not tollorated
[11:55] <jason> will ubuntu run deb packages?
[11:55] <ompaul> not open to debate
[11:55] <eth42> 18
[11:55] <straylite> idleone: but if i have it, won't it make my downloads shrink from 381mb to something a little nicerer?
[11:56] <graveson> i installed enlightenment some time back and when i restarted X ,it seems enlightenment has taken over eventhough i select gnome as my session ,anyone know how i can get rid of this
[11:56] <IdleOne> straylite, it will ask you for the cd all the time if that doesnt bother you its ok to have it there
[11:56] <nalioth> jason: please use official ubuntu debs, to use others leads to system instability
[11:56] <straylite> idleone: cool, tanks :)
[11:56] <IdleOne> np
[11:56] <straylite> :)
[11:56] <jason> does ubuntu have a gui program to create a custom live cd?
[11:57] <graveson> anyone ?
[11:57] <straylite> sorrY?
[11:57] <Seveas> jason, yes, gnome-terminal
[11:57] <straylite> what's enlightenment?
[11:57] <jenda> Seveas: LOL! :-D
[11:57] <duelboot> somebody enlighten straylite lol
[11:58] <__mikem> enlightenment is an alternative DEsktop Environment
[11:58] <straylite> ah
[11:58] <straylite> astro73: ooh beat me, beat me! hehe
[11:58] <__mikem> In my oppinion, it is still very premature
[11:58] <Astro73> lol
[11:58] <IdleOne> ok ok
[11:58] <IdleOne> !offtopic
[11:58] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[11:58] <keithhhh> what have I walked into oh my
[11:58] <Astro73> of course, my baseball skills are horrible
[11:59] <graveson> i know but t seems to be part of windows session ,how can i make sure only gnome is my desktop enviroment
[11:59] <keithhhh> can't just have a drink in peace my god!
[11:59] <jason> i was looking at ibuild to create a live cd, but would rather make one in ubuntu, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:59] <straylite> hey does anyone here use samba in a domain environment? i'm wondering if there is a way to have domain drop-down in a gnome/kde logon screen...
[11:59] <mwe> __mikem: hasn't it been premature for sevaral years?
[11:59] <lwizardl> hi
[12:00] <eth42> graveson: why do you think it is part of your session?


[05:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:29] <Bashing-om> WB lotuspsychje .... Just like you left it .
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om bumpy night?
[05:30] <Bashing-om> Nawww ,,, not to rough ..
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> great
[05:32] <Bashing-om> think'n bout time to hang out the 'done' sign . Think'n getting forced .
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: make sure tomorrow the sign 'alive' is back on your door :p
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> done sounds real final hehe
[05:35] <daftykins> >:)
[05:35] <daftykins> just for today i hope!
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[05:35] <daftykins> mornin' o/
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah 8 hours pauze, we can 'live' with :p
[05:36] <Bashing-om> yeah .. I do think I done done it .. time to retire it for this session . Read yall later .
[05:43] <daftykins> phew :)
[05:48] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje daftykins
[05:48] <daftykins> \o
[05:48] <daftykins> my eyes are like @_@
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> hey morning EriC^^
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: watched triple 9 yet?
[05:48] <EriC^^> yeah
[05:48] <EriC^^> it was good
[05:49] <daftykins> wussat o0
[05:49] <EriC^^> volunteer down
[05:49] <EriC^^> :p
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[05:49] <daftykins> o0
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: new cool movie
[05:49] <daftykins> o rry
[05:49] <daftykins> who's the volunteer down? that was me! ;)
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: kinda like heat
[05:50] <daftykins> is that a film?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: dont tell me you didnt see heat :p
[05:51] <daftykins> then i cannot type a response :D
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> with deniro & al paccino
[05:52] <daftykins> newp!
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> gotta see it mate, best movie ever
[05:52] <l0k1> ola algum brazuca?
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> if you like action that is
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> !english | l0k1
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbBLJ1WGwQ
[05:55] <EriC^^> i think i'm going to go to a place nearby and buy dvd's
[05:55] <EriC^^> my friend used to get them from there, they have like everything before it even comes in the theaters almost, movie for like $1 or $2
[05:56] <EriC^^> i saw like a ton of trailers on youtube last time and nothing on the torrent or other sites :/
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> regular or bluray?
[05:56] <EriC^^> regular :p
[05:57] <daftykins> dat 80s trailer
[05:58] <daftykins> er 90s i suppose :P
[05:58] <daftykins> EriC^^: how is that allowed to keep going?
[05:58] <daftykins> or do you have to say a code word then go into a back room ;)
[05:58] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: did you learn clutch very good yet?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: movie is much better then the 'old' trailer :p
[05:59] <EriC^^> hehe
[05:59] <daftykins> i'm just teasing :>
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes, its starting to come
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: but i will never be a real fan of it
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> when this car dead, i want automatic
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> i know its lame but..
[06:00] <EriC^^> to each their own
[06:01] <EriC^^> i was going to tell you to get that ticket to leb and come to drive my car and buy me stuff
[06:01] <EriC^^> lol
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> haha
[06:01] <EriC^^> fuck my laziness
[06:01] <daftykins> XD
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> a trunk full of blurays
[06:01] <daftykins> next you'll invite OerHeks and try to keep his dog Drabber to fetch you food from the kitchen
[06:02] <daftykins> !
[06:02] <EriC^^> i had it under control for a couple of days, i cleaned the car a bit, changed the fan clutch, fixed the tires and also tried to install the strut brace
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> we all need to win the lottery
[06:02] <EriC^^> the weather was too hot later, it reached 34'c O.o so i called it quits til it gets better
[06:02] <EriC^^> it usually barely reaches 34'c in the summer here
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> wow
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> we had 27 last week and its only may...
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> let the heat summer come :p
[06:03] <EriC^^> yeah it's odd
[06:03] <daftykins> hey waiddaminute there are TWO Tripolis!
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> trip what?
[06:05] <EriC^^> where is the second one? :o
[06:06] <daftykins> it's a city
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> oh
[06:06] <daftykins> one in north Lebanon, one in north-west Libya
[06:06] <EriC^^> tripoli is a city in lebanon, it's pretty remote from the main city beirut though
[06:06] <EriC^^> oh, not that remote really
[06:07] <EriC^^> i dunno why i was thinking saida
[06:07] <daftykins> EriC^^: you do all that funky right to left writing down there then? :>
[06:07] <EriC^^> haha yeah
[06:07] <daftykins> actually i don't know why i think it's right to left
[06:07] <EriC^^> i've not written in arabic in like ages probably
[06:08] <daftykins> hmm you can get away without?
[06:08] <EriC^^> yeah most everything is in english or french here too
[06:08] <EriC^^> i basically only used in arabic in arabic classes
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> cool so you speak french also?
[06:08] <EriC^^> lol no i was in an english educated school, i speak a little though
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> ah oui!
[06:09] <daftykins> :>
[06:09] <daftykins> EriC^^: does the country have many folks coming over from Syria?
[06:09] <EriC^^> yeah i think so
[06:09] <EriC^^> it's becoming a problem i think
[06:09] <daftykins> erk
[06:09] <EriC^^> i'm not much into politics, they all suck basically
[06:09] <EriC^^> everybody's a crook here in politics
[06:09] <daftykins> *nod* yeah i don't follow any
[06:10] <EriC^^> i have a sick idea for a youtube channel
[06:10] <EriC^^> it's kind of funny or silly i guess
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> youtube is gonna start paying services
[06:11] <EriC^^> paying what?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> like netflix and such
[06:11] <EriC^^> it's really silly i think, i just typed it out and felt even more silly
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: what would it be about?
[06:12] <EriC^^> basically i put a camera inside the car, and maybe a drone that can follow the car
[06:12] <EriC^^> well basically just going about lebanon driving and taking pics
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> sounds cool
[06:12] <EriC^^> and doing some sideway action and going up hill and stuff mountain roads
[06:13] <EriC^^> also i was thinking at night i could film races with people
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> a lebanon sightseeing channel
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:13] <EriC^^> yeah and at night i just drive around
[06:14] <EriC^^> and when somebody wants to have fun i can also film it
[06:14] <EriC^^> lol
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> then afterwards they all sue you for copyrights :p
[06:15] <EriC^^> i get a lot of people who want to have fun and stuff cause the car is pretty much a classic
[06:15] <EriC^^> and it has an engine swap, so it's pretty fast too, it can walk over the nissan 350z and stuff and give other cars a run for their money
[06:16] <EriC^^> it used to be twin turbo'd though before, and it was pretty sick, i wanted 600-ish hp from it and i only got to make it like 380bhp or so ( from 320bhp) so it was really low boost from the turbos
[06:16] <EriC^^> but it was pretty sick with the turbo's, the torque was insane
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> the streets are good to drive fast?
[06:17] <EriC^^> yeah the highways are pretty good
[06:17] <EriC^^> other streets as well
[06:17] <EriC^^> beirut is all good
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> mountains little rougher?
[06:18] <EriC^^> the main roads are pretty good they get tarmac'd every year or so
[06:18] <EriC^^> the old mountain stuff are rough though
[06:18] <EriC^^> like village stuff or places far that aren't main
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:20] <EriC^^> those drones are pretty sick
[06:21] <daftykins> ooh it's raining just like the weather app predicted!
[06:21] <EriC^^> they shoot 4k and they can go for 4km and they can follow you around perfectly filming
[06:21] <EriC^^> obstacle avoidance and auto come back and land and stuff
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: yeah gonna rain here aswell later
[06:21] <EriC^^> costs $1400 though O.o
[06:21] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: i'll send it over with a note!  O.o
[06:51] <EriC^^> j/k
[06:51] <OerHeks> :-D
[06:51] <OerHeks> goodmeurning
[06:51] <EriC^^> good morning
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i sell donuts :p
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[06:52] <EriC^^> lol
[06:52] <EriC^^> at first i was scared it was a doughnuts shop
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: we are showing off street views of our city
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> giaqor: morning
[06:54] <OerHeks> nice site lotus, http://street360.net/#52.35605;4.65729;57.15;11.42;0.34;12;1;h;0 this is where i live
[06:54] <OerHeks> faster than google mups
[06:54] <daftykins> o/
[06:55] <daftykins> i choose to believe vlamingstraat is Flaming Street
[06:55] <OerHeks> EriC^^ is living in Beirut??
[06:55] <daftykins> lotus lives on flaming street, rawr
[06:55] <EriC^^> wow that's really cool
[06:55] <EriC^^> yeah OerHeks
[06:55] <OerHeks> vlamingstraat with childrenheads
[06:56] <daftykins> OerHeks: is the pedestrian crossing pole still leaning over drunk like that? :>
[06:56] <OerHeks> i would swear you live in England, nm
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah better then google maps that site
[06:57] <OerHeks> still leaning over indeed
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys breakfast :p
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> donuts :p
[06:59] <daftykins> !
[07:00] <OerHeks> vlamingstraat, that will be 1.5 day bicycling for donuts..
[07:01] <daftykins> maybe we should all turn up uninvited on the same day so lotus can order in 50 for us ;D
[07:01] <OerHeks> odd, 2 guys in #kubuntu, both cannot type the letter K in konsole..
[07:02] <OerHeks> yeah, surprice visit
[07:02] <daftykins> maybe they wore out the K from speaking about all the programs that start with K?
[07:02] <OerHeks> onsole?
[07:02] <OerHeks> daftyins
[07:03] <daftykins> XD
[07:04] <daftykins> onsole from the eyboard
[07:04] <OerHeks> he is still thinking about my advise: soap & water
[07:09] <EriC^^> i have a sticky "," key
[07:09] <EriC^^> the "l" was sticky i poured some "easy" window cleaner on it and it seems to have fixed it
[07:10] <EriC^^> that stuff is brutal, if you pour it on some plastic it it heats it up, but it cleans really well
[07:10] <daftykins> suddenly you were running windows ;D
[07:10] <daftykins> a 'clean' install :>
[07:10] <EriC^^> lol
[07:23] <EriC^^> wow the weather is perfect here today
[07:23] <OerHeks> here too, and someone sended me money, so i am singing
[07:24] <EriC^^> sun isn't hot, and the air feels clean and a light breeze and some white clouds
[07:24] <OerHeks> little cloudy, but nice temp
[07:39] <daftykins> then the doughnuts are on OerHeks! :D
[08:22] <OerHeks> !find donuts
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[10:39]  * lotuspsychje sending his network-manager bug
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1583114
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> there we go
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> anyone find a clue here, let me know :p
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi lotuspsychje, what's up today?
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: just arrived, trying to solve my recent bug 1583114
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> hi there rilleh :p
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> and TJ-
[11:03] <rilleh> Whadapp
[11:03] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  this is on your laptop, right?  I have the dame BCM4313 on my lenovo, I just opened the network manager "edit connections" and deleted the ethernet connection. It reappears after a reboot but at leasr the annoyance is gone for the session
[11:04] <BluesKaj> dame=same
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yep my netbook here
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: but i also wanna use the ethernet at some times aswell
[11:05] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: did you notice that the wifi connection is called "Wired connection 2" ?
[11:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, it reappears after a reboot , not a fix but it's a workaround
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: weird, in network connections/edit its named belkin7 1
  [1463567736.9384] device (wlp7s0): Activation: failed for connection 'Wired connection 2'
[11:07] <TJ-> i'd suggest deleting all the connections and recreating the Wifi connection first
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> ok lemme try that first
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> and reboot
[11:10] <BluesKaj> I think an upgrade eventually fixed it here, I haven't seen that problem since , actually
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lol wifi shows as cable arrows now
[11:12] <TJ-> that's the unity issue with NM and network-manager-gnome I guess
[11:13] <TJ-> but is it working correctly now? any more sign of the DHCP failing?
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: well its hard to say, as this issue doesnt arise every boot
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ill keep an eye on it next few boots
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> ok, changed to ignore ipv6 and all users can connect to it
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> lets see what it does on reboot
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> wifi icon is back now
[11:22] <TJ-> it went out to lunch :)
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> ill update the bug so far
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> and see what it does next reboots
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: howto check if network names are good now?
[11:25] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: read syslog
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> not seeing connection2 anymore
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> belink7 1
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> rilleh: http://mixing.dj/2016/livesets/adam-beyer-drumcode-302-13-05-2016/
[12:11] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[12:13] <pauljw> :)
[12:26] <brushdemon> elky: We need to talk
[13:47] <TJ-> !grub
[14:20] <OerHeks> nom nom nom http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1070
[14:20] <OerHeks> daftykins ^^
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto
[15:46] <de-facto> Hey guys :)
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> hi there
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/mark-shuttleworth-we-are-at-our-best-when-we-are-constantly-improving-504182.shtml
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: good morning
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/snappy-ubuntu-core-power-innovative-digital-signage
[15:57] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: a very good morning to you
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> man that curlyears found another trolling way again oO
[16:14] <nacc> lotuspsychje: :)
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> cant believe that guy is doing support also
[16:15] <TJ-> is that what you call it?
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> loll
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> ok 'trying' to do support
[16:16] <TJ-> pink noise?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> he helped users for hours the other day
[16:16] <nacc> heh
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> god help em :
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:17] <TJ-> You know... 16.04's sheer number of bugs is exhausting me mentally
[16:17] <TJ-> Every day I aim to do something, I'm sidetracked dealing with yet more regressions that require diagnosing, isolating, and reporting.
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i know its crazy
[16:17] <TJ-> this has to be the worst LTS ever
[16:18] <TJ-> and its not just in the fluffy stuff (GUI) its core stuff
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: most tiring is the returning bugs, that actually should be solved and not return at all
[16:18] <TJ-> yes, regressions all over
[16:18] <nacc> are you seeing patterns at all? we could create rules for them, aiui, in launchpad
[16:19] <TJ-> the QA fell down on this one for sure. Dev's need to be tied to the unit-test chassis for all new code!
[16:19] <TJ-> nacc: no, it's literally across the entire code base. I think I reported/diagnosed (fixed a few) about 25 in the 1st week or so
[16:19] <nacc> TJ-: :/
[16:20] <TJ-> the common thread is the causes mostly feel "sloppy"
[16:20] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i've fixed several,b ut mostly stuff i introduced because of the php7 transition :)
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> well i wouldnt call it the worst, as there is also good news really
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> but returning bugs on lts is not very pleasant
[16:21] <nacc> are they bugs with corresponding tests? that seems to be the biggest gap i've seen
[16:21] <nacc> things get fixed, but no autopkgtest for it gets written, so it can regress and no one will notice
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> kernel 4.6 also fixxes alot of xenial stuff
[16:21] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ack, esp. skylake stuff
[16:21] <TJ-> I was on a remote server support overnight, in a DC, 16.04 ubuntu-server ISO in 'expert' mode fails to install (configure) the kernel... why... because devtmpfs isn't mounted into /target/ so the root file-system's device cannot be located... why ... live-installer's postinst script comments out the step that mounts proc dev etc into the /target/ ... and no commit history, no changelog, as to why or
[16:21] <TJ-> when
[16:21] <nacc> intel found tons of bugs lately
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> nacc: yeah
[16:22] <TJ-> these 'little' things suck the time out of life
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> i agree, we should be able to focus on newer things then older bugs
[16:23] <TJ-> whilst doing that I also noticed the installer fails to reset the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ link names if installing to existing partitions but reformatting them, so UUID matching fails
[16:23] <TJ-> I think when we get to the 'Z' release we should suspend the next release for 12 months and have everyone focus on fixing the bugs
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ive been on xenial on the start fixing bugs
[16:24] <TJ-> we've got terrible documentation bitrot, we've lost the UDD so there's no fine-grained commit history for most packages, and its impossible to know where the source code for the package is being managed
[16:24] <nacc> TJ-: that's a kernel bug, no?
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> i wanna stick lts
[16:24] <nacc>   /dev/disk is managed by the kernel
[16:24] <TJ-> nacc: no, it's base-installer/debian-installer, failing to tell udev to redo the links
[16:24] <nacc> TJ-: ah
[16:25] <nacc> TJ-: for server side, we're working on it :)
[16:25] <TJ-> nacc: installer does a mkfs.XXXX /dev/sdaY but there's no event add/change event for udev to redo the links
[16:25] <nacc> TJ-: the "release" part of the server side is getting some more dedicated folks, it's a konwn issue
[16:25] <TJ-> nacc: it sure needs it, I'm getting tired!
[16:26] <nacc> TJ-: i'm one of those folks, if it matters :)
[16:26] <TJ-> there was a period when i actually felt proud of the new releases, but now I feel more like "uh-oh, brown stuff is about to hit the fan!"
[16:26] <nacc> TJ-: so while we may not have a perfect source solution going forward (ack on that sometimes being tricky), we are going to be introducing some git tracking for merges and fixes in the server-maintained pacakges
[16:27] <TJ-> nacc: well, if you need any more bodies that can fix stuff, shout me! anything to get these bugs cleared and a stable viable quality back
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> also ubuntu going the mobile way, its prudent not getting old bugs on new OTA's and stuff
[16:27] <TJ-> I've been working on Ubuntu since 2005 and its getting not to be fun
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> but so many things are changing here
[16:28] <nacc> TJ-: i think up to my joining the team, there was just 1 person on server for years just doing the maintenance, and it was going unnoticed :/
[16:29] <nacc> TJ-: i think the other issue is the 'ubuntu server' community (in my experience so far) is quite small and not very active in the fixing of bugs (beyond filing them :). We're now actively triaging again which will help
[16:29]  * TJ- shakes head ... too much chasing dreams instead of delivering quality
[16:29] <nacc> TJ-: 100%
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> agree
[16:30] <nacc> TJ-: for better or worse, they've realized it's a mistake now, at least
[16:30] <TJ-> nacc: it is pretty hard to miss :D
[16:30] <nacc> TJ-: you'd be surprisded (without going into the politics of it all)
[16:31] <TJ-> the 'pull things inside Canonical' approach that started back in about 2007 was the first sign I noticed when the creep started
[16:32] <TJ-> Let's hope that by the next 'A' release sanity has been restored
[16:32] <nacc> TJ-: i'm unfortunately ignorant of that stuff beyond being a user at the time (and not having any issues I couldn't solve myself)
[16:33] <nacc> TJ-: but i will work on continuing to champion for community interaction and involvement -- it seems a bit difficult to get htat going again at this point
[16:34] <TJ-> it was subtle, I only noticed it early because I was a member of the Ubuntu kernel team. without warning it suddenly became the "Canonical kernel team' with no notice or explanation; mailing-list content dropped off, visibility for the community was lost, and then I noticed it elsewhere
[16:34] <nacc> TJ-: sad.
[16:34] <TJ-> indeed, it's how to lose the dev community
[16:34] <nacc> absolutely
[16:35] <nacc> tbh, it's a control issue -- and i think canonical still doesn't fully know (not meant as a pejorative) how to manage both sides (still learning)
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[16:36] <nacc> that's at least how it seems to me
[16:36] <nacc> i was at ibm before this and they had similar issues at the levels outside the linux division in terms of understanding the community 'cost' of doing enterprise work. you don't get it for free, in other words
[16:39] <TJ-> Yes, and I can understand it with IBM, but Canonical started from the community, employing the core Debian devs and so on, so it doesn't really have a great excuse... except the out-in-plain-sight joke-but-not-a-joke nickname of SADFL
[16:39] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, that part is sad
[16:40] <nacc> TJ-: if you have any great ideas on how to revitalize (in particular) the server community, i'd love to hear them :)
[16:41] <TJ-> I've worked full time on Ubuntu since 2005, but outside of Canonical's sphere, just to invest into the F/OSS community, so I guess I've got more exposure to it than most
[16:41] <TJ-> nacc: ship fantastic code and documentation - simple
[16:41] <nacc> TJ-: :)
[16:42] <TJ-> nacc: I used to run/own a group of IT businesses but sold out back in 2004, so I can pick and chose what I do now, and F/OSS is my 'work' I guess
[16:43] <TJ-> I prefer the tech to the C* roles
[16:44] <nacc> TJ-: it's a fair point, though -- i think i view it as a bit of chicken & egg. There aren't enough cnaonical folks to make "fantastic code and documentation" and add new features. And I doubt that there will ever be a release freeze (just my opinion) just to fix bugs. So the best way to improve code and documentation is to get more eyes and hands on it ... how to do that effectively is the question
[16:46] <TJ-> nacc: but there is an artificial 6 month 'sprint', rather than setting a quality deadline, its a calendar dealine regardless of quality
[16:46] <nacc> TJ-: ack i've noticed that too
[16:47] <TJ-> customers will forgive slipped deadlines; they won't long forgive shoddy buggy incomplete regressing code
[16:48] <nacc> that's what i would think too
[16:48] <nacc> i'm not privy to that level of discussion yet :)
[16:48] <TJ-> there's a reason RedHat turns over US$2bn
[16:49] <nacc> TJ-: yep
[16:49] <nacc> and why people are ok running RHEL5 still :)
[16:49] <TJ-> precisely :)
[16:50] <nacc> RHEL4 probably too (even if not really supported)
[16:51] <TJ-> nacc: 1 step on the road to improving server (shameless plug!) is to see bug 1582899 gets attention and the ISO images respun to contain the fix
[16:51] <TJ-> i pinged cyphermox about it earlier but didn't see a reply; cjwatson no longer deals with that; not sure who else other than those two (who have changelog entries)
[16:52] <nacc> TJ-: i'll do what i can to at least make it a release bug
[16:52] <nacc> TJ-: as presumably it's still borken in yakkety and then i'll help sru it
[16:52] <TJ-> nacc: the problem is because we have no reliable commit history I've no way of knowing who, or why, the bug was introduced ... so frustrating
[16:54] <nacc> TJ-: yep
[16:55] <TJ-> Another area that could do with attention is the Secure Boot + OS verification chain. Currently the Ubuntu specific GRUB patches adding certificate verification of kernel images will still load an unsigned vmlinuz image
[16:55] <nacc> ugh
[16:55] <nacc> yeah, i'm glad i've never touched secure boot
[16:55] <nacc> :)
[16:56] <TJ-> I've an interest in the crypto side, am writing code for GRUB mainline to add LUKS keyfile, detached header support, and working on U2F or challenge/response for Yubikey-like devices
[16:57] <nacc> nice!
[16:57] <TJ-> it would be nice to be able to secure the entire chain, starting from Secure Boot through kernel loading, and in addition have PID 1 provide hashes of all packaged executables (from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums/shasums) to a (new) kernel module (which I'm designing and wull write) so the kernel can prevent any non-signed code being executed
[16:58] <nacc> that feels like it would have been the goal all along :)
[16:58] <TJ-> there's a big valuable market in secured systems now, both server and laptop
[16:58] <nacc> absolutely
[16:59] <TJ-> if someone would stop introducing bugs faster than I can fix them I might get time to write that code before 2020 :D
[16:59] <nacc> heh
[16:59] <nacc> TJ-: well, i thank you for all the assistance i've seen you provide on IRC and in bugs already
[17:01] <TJ-> that's my choice, a way to keep close to the fundamentals, no thanks required. Although, you could lock some of the Canonical decision makers in the ubuntu support channels for a week until they understand how much quality is suffering
[17:02] <TJ-> I used to make my directors spend 1 week every 4 months doing front line support; has a wonderful effect on quality and customer satisfaction
[17:04] <TJ-> (especially the Sales Director, to ensure he didn't oversell the promises, or undersell our capabilities)
[17:05] <nacc> heh, wish I had that kind of power
[17:05] <nacc> I'll just try to be noisier in meetings :)
[17:12] <TJ-> it's one of the perks of being the 'dictator' :D
[17:12] <nacc> TJ-: yeah :)
[17:21] <TJ-> oh, one thing about the online UDS format... make everything that is used F/OSS, drop the reliance on proprietary stuff that excludes anyone that doesn't use, for example, Google Hangouts
[17:21] <nacc> TJ-: yeah, i've wondered about that
[17:21] <TJ-> that was the stupidest decision ever for a F/OSS dev community
[17:22] <TJ-> gave me the same feeling as the kernel-team event
[17:22] <TJ-> a F/OSS distro company should be boasting and showcasing the open alternatives and dog-fooding them
[17:23] <nacc> agree
[19:03] <Bashing-om> Well, close to that time ( Howdy Doody time ) and here I am. Let's see what we can learn this day .
[19:17] <daftykins> >:)
[19:18] <OerHeks> :-D
[19:18] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Is alive and well ? Keeping all systems in the island ironed out .
[19:19] <pauljw> :)
[19:24] <daftykins> yes sir-ee, today i have glorious news for my subjections to windows 7 reinstalls
[19:24] <daftykins> right now they take a day to update, but yay! https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsitpro/2016/05/17/simplifying-updates-for-windows-7-and-8-1/
[19:29] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Not looked but my solution to updating Windows a lot of years past ....... install ubuntu .
[19:31] <daftykins> ;)
[19:45] <OerHeks> fear of startbuttons, i suffer
[19:48] <Bashing-om> Acutely so when that buttton supposed to do Windows :)
[19:49] <daftykins> fun to be sat in cmd for the first time in ages
[20:05] <EriC^^> evening everyone
[20:09] <Bashing-om>  wb EriC^^ . Looks like a 'testy' time on the channel .
[20:09] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: thank you
[20:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Now that Spring is here . gainful employment opportunity arose ?
[20:11] <EriC^^> nah
[20:11] <EriC^^> not looking much my man
[20:13] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[20:13] <Bashing-om> Peehaps for the best ? I happen to like not puncing someone else's clock :)
[20:13] <EriC^^> hi pauljw :)
[20:13] <pauljw> :)
[20:13] <EriC^^> yeah i dont like to work
[20:13] <EriC^^> i mean to have a 9-5 schedule and also a "boss"
[20:15] <EriC^^> maybe make money on my own somehow or a freelancing job
[20:15] <Bashing-om> Ah but the downside .. no ficial recompense. no can buy that new SSD that is so desired .
[20:18] <Bashing-om> Daughters 37 and 41 think I should continue to support them .. go back to a J O B ... My Heels are scooting !
[20:19] <EriC^^> 37 and 41 O.o
[20:20] <OerHeks> 78 together
[20:21] <EriC^^> wb daftykins
[20:21] <Bashing-om> Re-adjust their priorities .. They are raised and resposible for their own . huh ? Daddy not buying that new car .. when I want a 8 core Athlon system .
[20:22] <EriC^^> haha
[20:22] <daftykins> ty sir!
[20:22] <daftykins> note to self, never experiment from your own server
[20:23] <Bashing-om> daftykins: One of those times when " I think I can " ?
[20:23] <EriC^^> oh
[20:23] <EriC^^> doh
[20:23] <EriC^^> 37 and 41 ages
[20:23] <EriC^^> i thought numbers 37 and 41
[20:24] <Bashing-om> Now I would be prolific .. I do not evsn wish !  .. I do infer ages .... ages !
[20:24] <OerHeks> oh, not shoesize?
[20:24] <OerHeks> oke
[20:24] <EriC^^> lol i thought it was a joke or something
[20:26] <daftykins> nah i'm just integrating this update rollup into a windows 7 install image file, but to do so you have to mount the image first... then i got file locks trying to unmount it, so had to reboot my server
[20:26] <daftykins> and since this IRC client runs on a VM on that host, i had to come back ;)
[20:26] <daftykins> nothing but a learning experience! :)
[20:27] <Bashing-om> wharever does not kill the server .. just makes it stonger .,. yes ?
[20:27] <daftykins> very true! lives to die another day
[20:27] <Bashing-om> LOL
[20:29] <daftykins> cue James Bond theme ;)
[20:29] <daftykins> this is quite cringe, my win7 ISO contains all 4 flavours of win7, i have to apply the updates to _all 4_ to make this image install for each flavour
[20:29] <daftykins> quite a lot of work if i don't ever do any win7 installs again ;)
[20:30] <daftykins> a better person would have scripted this...
[20:33] <Bashing-om> daftykins: 3rd time around .. you will .
[20:36] <daftykins> actually i have begun immediately! buahahaha!
[20:36] <daftykins> "if not today, when?"
[20:37] <Bashing-om> Axiom ; Never do today, what you can put off 'til tomorrow - leaves more time for IRC .
[20:38] <daftykins> haha
[20:38] <daftykins> this is actually my idea of fun
[20:43] <Bashing-om> I relate to what is fun . I have begun the preliminaries to have 16.04 on a SSD .. planning the partitioning I will do this time around .
[20:45] <daftykins> excellent :D
[20:45] <daftykins> then it shall be welcome to the fast lane!
[20:47] <Bashing-om> And on the wish list is that nicer Nvidia Graphic's card .
[20:49] <daftykins> i'm itching for these new ones too so i can upgrade


[12:21] <jenda> meatballhat gave us the slip, yo?
[12:21] <jenda> hmm
[12:22] <tsmithe> !caps | MitchM
[12:22] <tsmithe> bah he's not here
[12:22] <tsmithe> (but ubotu's back)
[12:23] <jenda> hehe
[12:23] <ubotu> MitchM: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[12:24] <tsmithe> yeah!
[12:29] <beuno> I'm off home
[12:29] <jenda> later, beuno
[12:29] <beuno> might be back, but I hope not  ;)
[12:29] <beuno> ba byes
[12:05] <jenda> heh
[12:05] <jenda> please don't ;)
[12:06] <jenda> Teh teamzorz.
[12:09] <tsmithe> please don't?
[12:10] <jenda> !caps him.
[12:10] <tsmithe> i'm just doing my pretend-op duty (makes me feel powerful :P)
[12:10] <ubotu> caps: C* Audio Plugin Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1 (edgy), package size 184 kB, installed size 404 kB
[12:10] <tsmithe> :D
[12:10] <jenda> dayum :)
[12:10] <tsmithe> i don't think that worked...
[12:10] <jenda> hehe
[12:10] <tsmithe> i did gestern
[12:10] <tsmithe> *it
[12:51] <jenda> hey juliux
[12:51] <juliux> hi jenda
[12:52] <juliux> how are you jenda ?
[12:52] <jenda> good, good.
[12:53] <jenda> you? :)
[12:53] <juliux> good
[12:53] <juliux> english examen runs well today
[12:58] <jenda> cool :)
[01:00] <GazzaK> was it social?
[01:01] <juliux> jenda, the funny thing was that we hear a english text but we had to answer in german
[01:01] <jenda> GazzaK: very :)
[01:02] <jenda> GazzaK: the teacher left every now and then ;)
[01:02] <jenda> juliux: hehe :)
[01:02] <jenda> GazzaK: so the entire class socialised busily...
[01:02] <GazzaK> good good
[01:03] <GazzaK> any paper airplanes?
[01:03] <juliux> jenda, did you have a picture of the powered by edubuntu sticker?
[01:03] <jenda> nope
[01:04] <jenda> juliux: diy.devubuntu.com/dump/edubuntu.png
[01:06] <juliux> jenda, and the ubuntu one?
[01:07] <jenda> will upload, just a sec.
[01:07] <juliux> jenda, thxs
[01:07] <jenda> well, it's actually there :)
[01:07] <jenda> juliux: dig in diy.devubuntu.com/repo ;)
[01:08] <juliux> where there?
[01:08] <jenda> http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/ubuntu.png
[01:08] <jenda> there
[01:09] <jenda> juliux: I just removed the other ones from /dump/ too, so look for them in the repo
[01:09] <juliux> ok
[01:09] <juliux> thxs
[01:12] <juliux> jenda, it is possible to have the 3d effect also on the edubuntu one?
[01:12] <jenda> it would be a lot of work :(
[01:12] <juliux> ok
[01:12] <juliux> then not;)
[01:12] <jenda> and I'd have to cancel the order with the printer.
[01:12] <jenda> ;)
[01:12] <jenda> Besides, I assure you you'll barely see it on the tiny sticker.
[01:13] <jenda> juliux: however... feel free to do it :)
[01:13] <juliux> jenda, i am not a gimp or inkscape good
[01:13] <jenda> I just hacked up some other stickers here to get that.
[03:22] <juliux> nixternal, ping
[03:25] <nixternal> juliux: pong
[03:25] <juliux> nixternal, what should i do with your shirts?
[03:25] <nixternal> doh, i totally forgot about those
[03:27] <nixternal> hehe
[03:27] <juliux> nixternal, ask the rest of the us
[03:27] <juliux> there are a few shirts left
[03:28] <nixternal> i gotta put some money into my paypal account. I will deposit a check on the way to school this morning and when I get home this evening I will go ahead and if you are around complete the transaction :)
[03:33] <juliux> nixternal, take your time
[03:33] <juliux> your shirts are reserved for you
[03:33] <nixternal> thanks. i do apologize though as I totally forgot about them
[04:01] <jenda> beuno: I know I needed to talk to you...
[04:01] <jenda> but dunno about what :)
[04:01] <jenda> beuno: ah, one thing: diy.devubuntu.com/repo/
[04:01] <jenda> bzr thing
[04:01] <beuno> hey jenda
[04:01] <jenda> hola :)
[04:01] <jenda> and the other thing...
[04:01] <jenda> stickers :)
[04:01] <jenda> You're doing stickers?
[04:02] <beuno> I'm... doing... uhm... stickers... yeah
[04:02] <beuno> what about repo and bzr though?
[04:04] <jenda> well, I moved doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing to diy.devubuntu.com/repo
[04:04] <jenda> just so you know :)
[04:04] <jenda> it's the repository of all marketing material.
[04:04] <beuno> ok, so I *could* commit there?
[04:04] <jenda> of course
[04:04] <jenda> bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu
[04:04] <jenda> http/sftp
[04:04] <jenda> the entire marketing team has access to sftp
[04:04] <jenda> beuno: and as for stickers...
[04:04] <beuno> jenda, you'll have to walk me through that when you have a few min (you seem in a hurry)
[04:04] <beuno> stickers, I need xubuntu stickers
[04:04] <jenda> I am :)
[04:05] <jenda> I've got those.
[04:05] <jenda> I've got 250 Xubuntu stickers available, and I normally sell them for 30 apiece, including shipping.
[04:05] <jenda> If you want more, I can go a lot cheaper.
[04:05] <jenda> more than a few, that is.
[04:06] <jenda> juliux got his for about 10 apiece (but he was doing 3500)
[04:07] <beuno> well, I think I can go safely to 150-200
[04:07] <jenda> oh, cool
[04:07] <jenda> I'll try to calculate you a fair price, then.
[04:08] <jenda> beuno: how's $30 for 200 sound?
[04:08] <jenda> well, take your time ;)
[04:08] <jenda> I don't even have them yet :)
[04:09] <beuno> heh, sounds great  ;D
[04:09] <beuno> you do know I'm in argentina, right (shipping costs-wise that is)
[04:09] <jenda> of course
[04:09] <jenda> makes no difference for me ;)
[04:10] <beuno> well, you can count me on on those 200
[04:10] <jenda> shipping is real cheap here.
[04:10] <jenda> ok, cool...
[04:10] <beuno> and if you can't get rid of the other 50, you can send them over too
[04:11] <jenda> I think I'll give up a few Edubuntu in favor of a few more Xubuntu, seeing that just two countries drained my entire supply :)
[04:14] <jenda> nixternal: does chicago need any laptop stickers, by any chance? I have about a spare thousand here ;)
[04:15] <beuno> jenda, that's great, just ping me when you got them and I'll transfer the money and give you my shipping address
[04:16] <jenda> cool
[04:20] <beuno> thanks jenda
[04:21] <jenda> np
[04:21] <jenda> (hurry partly over)
[04:37] <Riko9pl> Cze015b0107
[04:37] <Riko9pl> Wszystkim
[04:37] <Riko9pl> :)
[04:37] <jenda> Riko9pl: please use english...
[04:37] <Riko9pl> ok
[04:37] <Riko9pl> Hi everyone
[04:38] <jenda> heh
[06:58] <nixternal> jenda: any Kubuntu laptop stickers?
[06:59] <nixternal> i will check back in a few. I have to listen to the fabulous instructor right about now :)
[10:09] <jenda> nixternal: oh yes, lots of Kubuntu ;)


[10:21] <astraljava> blech... finally able to start testing. Yesterday and Friday didn't exactly go as planned. ;)
[16:54]  * pleia2 g+ && fb the RC upgrade test info
[17:00] <astraljava> Right, this is going to be the first and the last time I'm testing an ISO on this POS laptop. It's been 2+ hours, and it's still not done. I guess I'll stick to developing. It's much less resource-hungry. :p
[17:04] <ochosi> astraljava: depends on what you're compiling though
[17:06] <astraljava> ochosi: I know. :) Still, it's ridiculous that the installation takes almost three hours, as it has done now. I'm not about to build gimp or anything like that at first.
[17:06] <ochosi> strange though, my laptop is 6yrs old and an average install takes "only" 30-40min
[17:06] <astraljava> This is old enough that upgrading it (with an SSD, for example) makes no sense, either.
[17:07] <astraljava> ochosi: In vbox?
[17:07] <ochosi> yeah
[17:07] <ochosi> real installs are a bit faster
[17:07] <astraljava> Well, that is strange.
[17:07] <ochosi> i have an ssd though
[17:08] <astraljava> Ahh... well that could explain some of it.
[17:08] <ochosi> so that surely helps, but still, the laptop itself is 6yrs old
[17:09] <astraljava> So is mine.
[17:10] <astraljava> *-cpu
[17:10] <astraljava>           product: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU       T4200  @ 2.00GHz
[17:10] <astraljava> 4GB RAM
[17:11] <astraljava> So either there's something busted, or it's the HDD that's the culprit here.
[17:14] <ochosi> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8300  @ 2.40GHz
[17:15] <ochosi> so yeah, a few GHz faster than yours
[17:16] <ochosi> (and 4gb ram too)
[17:19] <knome> krytarik,
[17:19] <knome> Automatic synchronization
[17:19] <knome> Translations are imported with every update from branch lp:xubuntu-docs, and exported daily to branch lp:xubuntu-docs.
[17:19] <astraljava> Fortunately not few GHz, but a few point-GHz. :D Otherwise I wouldn't even play this game. :p But yeah, that doesn't explain the whole difference, not by a long shot.
[17:19] <knome> do we want to set that off for some reason?
[17:20] <krytarik> knome: Generally not, no - just have that loop stopped somehow.
[17:20] <knome> i guess there is no way to set that off
[17:20] <knome> well except turn those off..
[18:21] <astraljava> Yeah, so the machine never rebooted after the installation. I'm not going to file these results, it's obvious this hardware isn't suitable for that line of work.
[18:38] <elfy> astraljava: didn't reboot at all? or didn't reboot when you press enter to remove ?
[18:40] <astraljava> elfy: It got stuck once I pressed the button that's there once the installer finishes, I forget what it says.
[18:40] <elfy> astraljava: ok as long as it comes up from a hard reboot - that's a known issue
[18:41] <elfy> thank you for perservering :)
[18:41] <elfy> bug 1445592
[18:42] <astraljava> Oh ok, good to know. :)
[18:43] <elfy> always useful for people to look at the tracker for those things
[18:44] <astraljava> Yeah, you're right. I'm still a little rusty when it comes to the process. :) But then again, this machine is not suitable for that line of work, so I'll refresh myself on the matter once I get ahold of a computer that's usable.
[18:45] <elfy> I do stuff on an old laptop
[18:46] <astraljava> Yeah, me too. But as where ochosi gets an installation done in 30-40 minutes in vbox, mine spent three and a half hours on the same task.
[18:48] <elfy> yea - well this machine has a win partition for little one and the rest I actually hard install - so no vm in the mix
[18:50] <astraljava> Right, that might be the way to go. But I need the whole HDD dedicated for the actual installation. Oh well, I'll see what I can do with the desktop, just need to find a monitor for it.
[18:51] <elfy> maybe try kvm instead
[18:51] <elfy> I manage to get away with less memory in that than vbox
[18:52] <astraljava> Alright, will try that the next time. Thanks!
[18:52] <elfy> can but try :)
[18:54] <astraljava> Exactly. :)
[23:42] <bluesabre> I keep getting pinged in the wrong channel and not paying attention
[23:42] <knome> ;)
[23:42] <knome> no money to pay attention
[23:42] <knome> sad :|
[23:42] <bluesabre> probably an easy solution would be to hop off of -ot
[23:42] <knome> :)
[23:47] <bluesabre> but yeah, it's probably not a critical bug that breaks any functionality, so not sure the docs update is enough to get an exception for final freeze
[23:49] <knome> otoh, the release team has always been pretty loose on flavor-only stuff
[23:49] <knome> this literally only affects us
[23:49] <bluesabre> also true
[23:52] <bluesabre> slickymaster, krytarik: is there a bug report associated with the missing language.  We'll need to tack that onto the debian changelog and get an ack on that to apply for an exception
[23:58] <krytarik> bluesabre: No, not that I know of - would have to do one then.


[21:50] <hyperreal> Question:  what programming language(s) must one be familiar with in order to fix bugs?
[21:52] <ogra_> well, just pick bugs of packages using languages you know ;)
[21:52] <hyperreal> ogra_:  makes sense :)
[21:53] <ogra_> i mean ... surely fixing bugs in packages that use langs you dont know will teach you that lang as well indeed ... but it will be harder
[23:45] <brainwash> please remove the papercuts entry (affects list) from bug 1302101


[07:45] <lolartist> hello
[22:32] <jphilipz> anyone have a recommendation of a rdp/vnc client. i see there is remmina and vinagre and wonder which one runs/integrates better on xfce
[22:43] <Unit193> jphilipz: They're both GNOME so they both look out of place, but historically I've used Remmina.
[22:45] <jphilipz> Unit193: thanks. i see remmina is also smaller in size, so i think i'll go with that for the client, but what do i do about the server? an article i read mentioned vino, tigervnc or tightvnc. what do you recommend
[22:45] <Unit193> I use x11vnc.
[22:47] <jphilipz> the article mentioned easily configuring the server on gnome and kde, so is there a gui app for configuring the server for xfce
[22:47] <xubuntu22w> Hello.  I'm trying to disable my my middle button using a file in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d and its driving me crazy.  I have an InputClass with a MatchIsTouchpad "on" line and and an Option "ButtonMapping" "1 0 3" but after a reboot it doesn't take effect and the output from xinput get-button-map shows no change.  I checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log an
[22:47] <xubuntu22w> d it is reading the file and the MatchIsTouchpad is working because I see the "Applying InputClass" line but for some reason it doesn't seem to be doing anything with the ButtonMapping line.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?


[19:23] <cqfd93> hello carsteng!
[19:25] <CarstenG> cqfd93: Hi Sylvie!
[19:27] <cqfd93> I started proofreading "Reading and composing mail" in chapter 3
[19:27] <cqfd93> and added 2 screenshots
[19:38] <CarstenG> Great.
[19:42] <CarstenG> I guess my VM installation of raring is broken. Sometimes I get only a black screen after login...
[19:43] <CarstenG> I think, I will redo a complete installation in the VM.
[19:43] <cqfd93> :-(
[19:44] <CarstenG> Which program do you use for virtualisation?
[19:47] <cqfd93> I use virtualbox
[19:47] <cqfd93> In chapter 3, the paragraph that describes how to setup an account in thunderbird is missing the case where thunderbird fails to automatically detect the imap/pop/smtp servers
[19:47] <cqfd93> it says: "Once completed, click the \button{continue} button. \application{Thunderbird} will automatically set up your email account for you. When \application{Thunderbird} finishes detecting your email settings, click \button{create account} and \application{Thunderbird} will do the rest."
[19:48] <cqfd93> and each time I had to setup real mail accounts, it failed :-(
[19:57] <CarstenG> Well, maybe we should give a marginnote to a thunderbird forum for detailed support in this case?
[19:59] <CarstenG> I used QEMU for virtualisation until today. But I will give virtualbox a try.
[20:05] <cqfd93> I think it would be better to briefly explain what to do, because this is a problem lots of users will run into
[20:07] <cqfd93> but a margingnote  to a forum will help if everything else fails
[20:08] <CarstenG> ok, sounds good.
[20:09] <CarstenG> So I had always the luck that it worked as expected. :-) I guess it depend on your email provider...
[20:10] <CarstenG> ... if it is in the thunderbird database.
[20:23] <cqfd93> it also depends on the ISP which provides the smtp service
[20:27] <CarstenG> Yes? e.g I have GMX as email provider. But this has nothing to do with my ISP, or?
[20:34] <cqfd93> If you use smtp on port 25, your ISP relays your outgoing mail and you have to use their smtp
[20:36] <cqfd93> but on a laptop that can be used through different ISPs, you have to use your email address provider's authenticated smtp (most often on port 587 or 465)
[20:36] <cqfd93> and thunderbird will not detect that
[20:37] <cqfd93> so you have to setup the account manually
[20:37] <CarstenG> ah, ok
[20:37] <CarstenG> I use 465
[20:37] <CarstenG> so I had no problems...
[20:38] <cqfd93> did thunderbird autodetect your pop/smtp settings?
[20:40] <CarstenG> yes
[20:40] <cqfd93> lucky you! :-)
[21:05] <cqfd93> CarstenG: what do you think of that?
[21:05] <cqfd93> If Thunderbird fails to create the account, you may need to configure it manually, using the parameters that were sent to you by your email address provider and your ISP. If you are still unable to set up your account, you can get help on the forum...
[21:19] <CarstenG> yes, sounds good :-)
[21:28] <cqfd93> OK, I'll do that this weekend, for now it's time to go to bed.
[21:28] <cqfd93> Good night!