[04:02] <readlnh> 0+
[06:46] <didrocks> good morning
[06:48] <jibel> Salut didrocks
[06:50] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:51] <jibel> didrocks, ça va? tu as passé un bon w-e?
[07:15] <duflu> o/  didrocks, jibel  \o
[07:16] <didrocks> jibel: bon week-end, ensoleillé, un peu de jeux pour Martin, donc c'était sympa
[07:16] <didrocks> et toi ?
[07:16] <didrocks> hello duflu
[07:20] <jibel> didrocks, match de hand samedi et ciné hier sinon repos
[07:20] <jibel> good morning duflu
[07:21] <didrocks> sympa :)
[07:35] <didrocks> jibel: do you want us to coordonate iso testing? I think I have some free slots to give some help if needed
[07:40] <jibel> didrocks, that's fine for the moment, I'm reviewing all the test cases to make sure nothing is utterly broken then we'll have more respins.
[07:41] <jibel> didrocks, although wednesday and thursday are usually busy and any help will be welcome
[07:42] <didrocks> jibel: deal! :)
[07:44] <jibel> Trevinho, Hi, have you been able to reproduce bug 1794280 on latest desktop image (buid 20181013.1) ?
[07:51] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:51] <duflu> Morning seb128. How goes?
[07:51] <seb128> good! you?
[07:52] <jibel> bonjour seb128
[07:52] <seb128> lut jibel
[07:52] <seb128> did you have a good w.e?
[07:52] <jibel> seb128, oui bien et toi?
[07:52] <duflu> seb128, yes pretty good. I feel I've almost caught up on my pre-travel domestic tasks
[07:53] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:53] <seb128> nickel, y a fait beau et les gastros étaient passées pour tout le monde :)
[07:53] <didrocks> enfin un week-end tranquil donc ? :)
[07:54] <seb128> ouais :)
[08:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:18] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? t'as passé un bon w.e ?
[08:21] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:21] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[08:25] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks, duflu
[08:25] <oSoMoN> excellent long week-end, oui, merci!
[08:28] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, bug #1797851 started with your most recent change, would be nice if you could have a look
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: so, on check-language-support, it's even worse than I thought
[08:40] <didrocks> the info of "installed / want to have installed languages is coming from account services"
[08:40] <didrocks> on a fresh "french" selected installation, the list is:
[08:41] <didrocks>  fr_CA en_US  fr_FR en en_AU fr en_GB en_CA
[08:41] <didrocks> so some variants for french and english
[08:41] <didrocks> english is set at install time selecting en_US + fr_FR
[08:42] <didrocks> the others seems to be pulled by account-services, I think that's the switch to account-services which (maybe?) has us regressed
[08:42] <didrocks> and what I told the other days stays: if we select "en", all en_* are then selected
[08:43] <didrocks> /usr/share/language-tools/language-options is in perl… hum
[08:44] <didrocks> but:
[08:44] <didrocks> # add items without country code to facilitate lookups
[08:44] <didrocks>     ( my $lang = $loc ) =~ s/_[A-Z]+//;
[08:44] <didrocks> so stripping the _ is something done on purpose in language-options
[08:46] <seb128> hum
[08:46] <seb128> I don't think the use of account-services is any recent, it was probably there at the time we looked at the topic for xenial and probably didn't change since
[08:47] <didrocks> yeah, just checked that, oneiric
[08:47] <didrocks> but maybe it wasn't doing the above stripping of _, which leads to that…
[08:47] <didrocks> anyway, ubiquity / check-language-support should be in sync (one using the other one) to determine what to install / remove
[08:48] <didrocks> I wonder though how much effort this is, depending if we replace the installer…
[08:48] <didrocks> (also, the seed should be in sync with check-language-support, which isn't the case)
[08:49] <didrocks> that's separate from L_aney issue though, which is to ensure at least if you select en_GB, that en_GB is indeed selected and not en_US
[08:53] <seb128> right
[08:53] <seb128> we should maybe talk to GunnarHj about it, he knows the tricks in those perl scripts and why they are there
[08:53] <didrocks> yeah
[08:54] <didrocks> because it sounds really like a yak shaving task :p
[08:54] <didrocks> but at least, understanding this could be in a new installer redesign
[08:54] <didrocks> (fortunately, the perl script isn't really long)
[08:57] <seb128> well, if that worked in xenial the diff/change/bug is probably trivial, I doubt we had any "real change" in that stack
[08:57] <seb128> but yeah, doing it properly is likely yak shaving
[08:57] <seb128> and it doesn't seem important/high priority
[08:57] <seb128> thanks for investigating
[08:58] <seb128> I don't think it's worth persuing more atm, unless you have interest to get to the bottom of it
[08:58] <seb128> otherwise maybe record what you found in a bug report and call it enough for now?
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: it worked in xenial when I tested it
[08:58] <didrocks> in January 2016
[08:58] <didrocks> but not in 16.04.5 as told on Friday
[08:59] <didrocks> so, even diffing isn't trivial :/
[08:59] <didrocks> I'm just printing a little bit what we get in the perl functions, and yes, file that in a bug report
[09:05] <seb128> didrocks, weird that it regression in a point update, or maybe it got buggy before .0 went out?
[09:05] <didrocks> I think there is a high chance of regression before .0 IMHO
[09:14] <Laney> moin
[09:17] <didrocks> hey Laney, how is London?
[09:19] <Laney> grey, cold
[09:19] <Laney> but i'm with some GREAT! GUYS!
[09:19] <Laney> how are you?
[09:20] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks! Overall great week-end :)
[09:20] <didrocks> you are with great gruys, unlike every week on IRC, I see, I see :p
[09:25] <Laney> i can touch these people
[09:25]  * Laney touches sil2100 to prove it
[09:26] <seb128> hey Laney, how is the office?
[09:28] <didrocks> "good" news, if you try to apply updates via GNOME Software, at least, you nothing is applied on boot, so you don't end up in a broken situation
[09:29] <seb128> ?
[09:29] <didrocks> well, you mentioned on Friday that GNOME Software update panel isn't hidden, which is a bug to fix
[09:29] <seb128> you are referring to bug #1797543 ?
[09:29] <seb128> I don't think your statement is always true
[09:29] <didrocks> ah?
[09:29] <didrocks> I have a mix of "system updates" + apps
[09:29] <seb128> we had report from foundations in bionic that it leads to screwed update when debconf is involved
[09:30] <seb128> maybe you didn't have anything with debconf
[09:30] <didrocks> could be, indeed, or maybe another package to install triggers packagekit to activate?
[09:30] <didrocks> (I'm a vanilla, default install)
[09:30] <seb128> well, that prompt kicks in the offline updates from packagekit
[09:31] <seb128> so if you reboot it does install updates in background I think
[09:31] <didrocks> which did nothing at all for me (no update, nothing)
[09:31] <seb128> nothing visible
[09:31] <seb128> you are sure it didn't install them in a way you didn't notice?
[09:31] <didrocks> I checked the package list and version before/after
[09:31] <didrocks> identical
[09:31] <seb128> k, another bug then :p
[09:31] <seb128> it "worked" for some people in bionic
[09:31] <didrocks> well, a "good" one in that case :)
[09:31] <didrocks> yeah :/
[09:31] <seb128> so either that "regressed"
[09:31] <seb128> or it's random
[09:32] <didrocks> could be, tried twice to ensure…
[09:32] <seb128> anyway I would prefer if Robert fixed it, he knows what to change from his comment on the bug
[09:32] <seb128> but I think he called it a day without having uploaded anyway
[09:32] <didrocks> or maybe you install something else which then hook up in the boot
[09:32] <seb128> unsure how much it's a release vs SRU issue
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, as I didn't see anything coming, I wanted to check how bad that was
[09:42] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:42] <Laney> it's alright yeah
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: do you know if there is any particular fixes we are interested in on new evince for bionic?
[09:48] <Trevinho> jibel: kvm yes... and i think is the same of willcooke one, I've spent some time on it already.
[09:49] <Trevinho> And looking at it still
[09:49] <Trevinho> seb128: hi seb, ok
[09:55] <jibel> Trevinho, I didn't try on kvm but I cannot reproduce it anymore on hw
[09:56] <Trevinho> jibel: kvm on qxl happens here. Time dependent a sleep fixes it
[09:56] <Trevinho> andyrock: ^
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: (as you just left when I posted that): do you know if there is any particular fixes we are interested in on new evince for bionic?
[09:58] <didrocks> like some particular checks I should put in the test case?
[09:59] <seb128> not that I know no, sorry
[09:59] <didrocks> no worry, preferred to double check!
[09:59] <didrocks> I'll discuss the ps thingy with our security team though
[09:59] <didrocks> to ensure that's ok
[11:18] <andyrock> Trevinho: cannot run libvirt-bin.service here so I cannot test
[12:13] <Trevinho> seb128: I've pushed nautilus branches for both cosmic and bionic.
[12:17] <seb128> Trevinho, bionic is another regression fix for the current SRU?
[12:18] <Trevinho> seb128: it's fixing the pkg in sru queue
[12:19] <Trevinho> seb128: so, I was wondering if mentioning the bug in changelog or not, but for sure it doesn't need classic verification
[12:23] <seb128> Trevinho, if there was not git to deal with I would just re-upload to replace the current SRU from the queue without changing the version/changelog/bug reference
[12:24] <seb128> unsure what to do with the vcs in that case though
[12:26] <Trevinho> seb128: well, we can still do some force pushes, but not sure :-P
[12:27] <seb128> yeah, it would be bzr I would bzr uncommit; change; bzr commit; bzr push --overwrite
[12:28] <seb128> just how do that with git doesn't stick for me, or it feels too hackish
[12:28] <Trevinho> seb128: you can do the same on git, l_aney wouldn't like it but I can give you the recipe for the happiness if you want xD
[12:29] <seb128> haha
[12:29] <seb128> what happens if you tag again the same revision? it moves the tag to the new commit?
[12:29] <seb128> I mean tag again using the same tag string
[12:29] <seb128> not tagging the same commit id
[12:45] <Laney> it is exactly the same level of hackiness as it would be with bzr
[12:48] <Laney> you have to delete the tag and then re-tag
[12:55] <jbicha> seb128: by default anyone who has pulled the old tag won't get the new tag so if you think people might have the old tag, it may be better to use a new tag name
[12:55] <jbicha> also version numbers are cheap so it might just be easier to use a higher version number
[12:56] <jbicha> good morning
[12:59] <didrocks> morning jbicha
[12:59] <seb128> hey jbicha
[13:01] <seb128> jbicha, is that a bug that people won't get the tag change or by design?
[13:02] <jbicha> that's git upstream. I guess it's intentional
[13:03] <seb128> :(
[13:03] <jbicha> willcooke: I experience something that looks kinda like bug 1796822 if I enable automatic login in Settings > Details > Users then reboot (using VirtualBox after installing cosmic)
[13:05] <jbicha> do you think Debian bug 910892 is worth handling now in cosmic? (by uncommenting those header lines)
[13:06] <seb128> that doesn't seem important enough to be accepted now
[13:07] <seb128> could be a SRU though
[13:07] <jbicha> seb128: because it would trigger a debconf prompt for anyone who has modified those files, I don't think it's very good for an SRU
[13:07] <jbicha> or maybe it wouldn't trigger debconf, it's a strange file
[13:11] <didrocks> well, it's fine for a 0-day SRU, as it's only for updates
[13:13] <seb128> or it's fine for cosmic+1
[13:13] <seb128> it's only an issue for users who sudo edit a conffile
[13:13] <seb128> and screw their editing
[13:48] <Laney> somebody want to look into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1796275 ?
[13:48] <seb128> on a similar topic bug #1797861
[13:48] <Laney> yes I already looked at that one
[13:48] <seb128> ah ok
[13:48] <Laney> similar in that it's about screen reader at least
[13:48] <Laney> but it's probably not the same bug
[13:49] <seb128> right, I just saw it passing by in my morning review of "recent bugs"
[13:49] <Laney> okies
[13:49] <Laney> so, anyone?
[13:49] <seb128> didrocks, ^ interested? if not I'm going to have a look
[13:50] <didrocks> seb128: I can, unsure though to have enough time before EOD
[13:50] <didrocks> so, don't expect a fix necessarily tonight
[13:50] <seb128> I don't
[13:50] <seb128> thx didrocks!
[13:50] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:51] <Laney> merci
[13:51] <seb128> Laney, how are things looking from a London/r-t perspective atm?
[13:51] <Laney> xnox is looking into http://launchpad.net/bugs/1795882
[13:52]  * didrocks update-iso first
[13:52]  * Laney assigns to document that
[13:52] <seb128> ah, nice
[13:52] <seb128> plymouth is not happy in cosmic
[13:52] <Laney> otherwise, going to upload ubiquity soon and then do some moar isos
[13:52] <Laney> why not?
[13:54] <seb128> e.u.c top 1-3-5-6-8 from the weekly 18.10 view are plymouth reports
[13:54] <seb128> well, look variants of the same issue
[13:59] <jibel> the main issue is bug 1794292
[14:00] <Laney> finally go the f-ing thing to load
[14:00] <jibel> which had been marked fixed but is not. I just reopened it
[14:00]  * Laney spanks e.u.c
[14:00] <Laney> is that the one cyphermox tried to fix?
[14:00] <jibel> yes
[14:00] <Laney> nod
[14:01] <cyphermox> there's still a lot of room for improvement in plymouth
[14:03] <Trevinho> I also had a look in that some weeks ago
[14:04] <Trevinho> and I had some further ideas, that I thought were handled by that change, but it seems not.. .I see if  i can get something out of my stashes later
[14:04] <Trevinho> while in the gdm side of things..
[14:04] <Trevinho> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VzqX2JQw4D/
[14:07] <Laney> NON ESISTENTE
[14:28] <cyphermox> I have a possible fix, if it's breaking for the reason I think it is
[14:31] <cyphermox> jibel: were you able to reproduce the crash? I can't
[14:32] <jibel> cyphermox, no I cannot anymore
[14:33] <cyphermox> so I fixed your crash, but not all of them?
[14:35] <jibel> I am not sure what fixed it actually
[14:36] <Trevinho> Laney: exactly... is it normal that we're at that point with no devices around, who should be in charge of waiting them? I wouldn't think is gdm job. is it?
[14:37] <didrocks> jbicha: are you looking at gdm3 which is stuck in proposed?
[14:37] <didrocks> (didn't look at it at all)
[14:38] <jbicha> didrocks: either we need to ignore the systemd autopkgtest or retry it until it works. I think it is more likely to pass when the amd64 autopkgtest builders aren't as busy
[14:39] <jbicha> gdm was stuck for a few days because we had to handle the s390x removal again
[14:39] <didrocks> jbicha: ok, seems like you are retrying/looking at it
[14:40] <jbicha> sort of. We're running low on time for it to get in the iso's though
[14:42] <didrocks> maybe check with the release team if they are happy discarding autopkgtest results?
[14:43] <jbicha> infinity: ^ do you want to force gdm3 in now?
[14:44] <infinity> jbicha: We're on it.
[14:58] <Laney> Trevinho: dunno
[14:59] <Laney> how come plymouth works?
[15:03] <Trevinho> using fb?
[15:13] <Laney> not the graphical splash no?
[15:37] <seb128> jbicha, ricotz, did you see that the SRU team had a question on bug #1782122?
[15:50] <Trevinho> ffffffffffffffffff  broke my kvm :(
[18:04] <bob91> Hi guys
[18:05] <bob91> anyone knows how to speed up gnome-shell performance with nvidia driver on ubuntu 18 ?
[18:39] <oSoMoN> bob91, that's a very vague question, are you seeing specific performance issues that you think a driver update might solve?
[18:40] <oSoMoN> note that we have people actively working on gnome-shell performance in general
[18:56] <willcooke> gnight all.  Laney I think I can come down tomorrow now, but probably not until just before lunch.
[18:56] <willcooke> Should see you tomorrow
[19:03] <oSoMoN> good evening all
[20:15] <Trevinho> Laney: world is strange indeed https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PFdG0Rz4/CanGraphical.png
[20:17] <Trevinho> And in fact here, with that gdm proposed change, it doesn't run. Because `sd_seat_can_graphical' will always return false.
[20:35] <kyrofa> Hey kenvandine, Trevinho can you two think of a CLI hello-world-type example that I can use as a test that the new glib extension works?
[20:36] <kyrofa> g_print hello world works with or without the desktop-launch stuff, so that's not quite enough to exercise it
[20:41] <Trevinho> kyrofa: by new extension you mean? like new functions?
[20:41] <kyrofa> Trevinho, new version of the desktop helpers
[20:43] <Trevinho> kyrofa: mh not sure I got it... You want to check if new version of desktop-helpers is running?
[20:43] <Trevinho> or in general if those are running?
[20:43] <kyrofa> Trevinho, but basically, my question could be rephrased as "can you think of a hello-world type simple CLI application that verifies that the desktop-glib part works" ?
[20:43] <Trevinho> kyrofa: ok.... things like checking mime types could be a way
[20:44] <kyrofa> Ah, let me give that a try, thank you
[20:44] <Trevinho> so using gfile maybe? Or a simple gtk app?
[20:44] <Trevinho> well gtk app as cmd line I mean
[20:44] <Trevinho> like just passing --help :)
[22:11] <Laney> Trevinho: think you need the latest version of the branch
[22:11] <Laney> but I'm saying (many times :P) that I'm not convinced the CanGraphical thing is the right place to be looking
[22:11] <Laney> UNLESS the reason it goes to =no is the same reason that it's breaking sometimes
[22:12] <Laney> I think andyrock was next going to investigate what makes it change to 'no'
[22:13] <andyrock> yeah I'll do that tomorrow
[22:14] <Laney> ♥


[00:10] <Danno_> how would i solve the issue with the on-screen keyboard "Onboard" showing up as a blank black box on Lubuntu?
[00:15] <pinky-> Danno_, on this page it says to install python-gi-cairo => https://answers.launchpad.net/onboard/+question/195106
[00:51] <Seeker`> argh, can't sleep
[00:54] <Danno_> `right, ive got the keyboard installed and working, but i need to be able to enable it on the login screen as well. it says online that im supposed to do this via system settings, but my system settings menu seems to have disappeared
[01:09] <Danno_> is there a way to reset the layout of the main application menu to default as my system settings menu seems to have disappeared
[01:14] <pinky-> Danno_, if you right mouse click the Power Icon in top right-hand corner do you see a link for System Settings?
[01:15] <Danno_> nope
[01:16] <Danno_> i had it when i installed the OS a few hours ago and the only thing ive done since is set up my touchscreen and soundcard
[01:16] <pinky-> I've not got Lubuntu installed so can't help - sorry.
[01:17] <Danno_> theres loads of guides on line for replacing it but none apply to lubuntu
[01:18] <pinky-> Danno_, this is mainly a UK channel and most here are a sleep now, you might be better asking in #ubuntu
[01:18] <Danno_> i tried and was totally ignored
[01:18] <pinky-> oh
[01:19] <Danno_> im in the uk myself so i get that most people are asleep, it just sucks when you ask a perfectly valid question and no-one acknowledges that youre even there
[01:21] <pinky-> Danno_, all I can suggest is type your question clearly on one line and just be patience.
[01:21] <pinky-> sorry I can't help more
[01:22] <Danno_> not to worry. id protest at them but its too early to be getting into a flame ware
[01:22] <Danno_> war*
[01:33] <xnox> bug 523896
[01:33] <xnox> comment #33 & #34
[01:33] <xnox> time to go to sleep.
[01:38] <shauno> is #33 serious?  does he honestly want a distro to boot the kernel, and nothing but the kernel ?
[01:47] <shauno> just imagine how space they could save on the iso if panic("No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.");  was a genuine user expectation
[01:51] <ali1234> yeah, i don't understand that at all
[01:53] <ali1234> ah i see
[01:53] <ali1234> he wants it to be a shell script, not a binary
[01:54] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/~mark-syminet/+archive/syminet
[01:55] <ali1234> eh, i'm confused
[01:58] <shauno> some people pick the strangest battles.  takes all kinds I suppose.
[02:03] <ali1234> i now have all the sources and binaries used by netgear to build firmware for the DGND3700 and it just doesn't work
[02:03] <ali1234> i even have the same OS they use, FC6
[03:05] <ali1234> ok so i have two kernel images
[03:05] <ali1234> they are the same size
[03:06] <ali1234> there is a very small number of differences between them
[03:06] <ali1234> every difference is an increment of 0x10
[03:06] <ali1234> what causes that?
[03:09] <ali1234> oh and the increments are always the low byte of a 32 bit word, and the values are always divisible by 4
[03:10] <ali1234> eg 24 46 cc 1c -> 24 46 cc 2c
[03:10] <ali1234> they always start 24 too
[03:10] <ali1234> this is a big endian MIPS kernel btw
[03:11] <ali1234> my guess is the new kernel has an extra symbol?
[03:14] <ali1234> the weird thing is there are not enough differences for any actual code to be in a different place
[03:27] <ali1234> ah, i found a section with moved code
[03:31] <ali1234> ah this could be the culprit: Linux version <IP_ADDRESS> (root@sunshine) (gcc version 4.2.3) #2 | Linux version <IP_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(gcc vers
[03:32] <ali1234> i wonder how the binary ended up the same size though. it must be padded
[03:35] <ali1234> i bet every difference is a printk or something
[03:35] <ali1234> and the differences are offsets into kernel string table
[03:35] <ali1234> and the longer string got padded to a multiple of 4 bytes... gives 0x10 bytes
[03:48] <ali1234> yep, that was it
[06:40] <christel> good morning
[07:37] <mattt> christel: morning morning
[07:37] <christel> helloooo :D
[07:37] <christel> how are you mattt ?
[07:37]  * mattt is blooday tired today
[07:37] <mattt> christel: how you?
[07:37] <christel> i am also pretty tired, still not quite recovered from shots and cocktails on saturday i think!
[07:38] <christel> luckily i appear to have a slow day as far as work goes (hopefully it stays that way!)
[07:48] <bootlkjkgf> Mornin' all. !
[07:48] <mattt> christel: slow mondays are very nice
[07:48] <christel> yes! :)
[07:50] <bootlkjkgf> elfy .. are you from spain ??
[07:50] <elfy> nope
[07:50] <bootlkjkgf> OH Ok .. I'll let you live, today.
[07:51] <elfy> though when I was young where I am was rather full of the spanish
[07:51] <elfy> bootlkjkgf: why? do you come from Portugal?
[07:51] <christel> good morning theopensourcerer \o/
[07:52] <theopensourcerer> hey christel
[07:52] <bootlkjkgf> elfy, No, I had a gf from Madrid who had an email called elfybox  .. but lost contact in the end .. hear she went mental. ( no connection)
[07:53] <elfy> :)
[07:53] <elfy> you'd really not want me to be your g/f :p
[07:54] <bootlkjkgf> Yeah , there too much pr0n these days .. so I guess I'm OK
[07:54] <elfy> lol
[07:57] <bootlkjkgf> elfy, Something to read ... I had a banter with the Gnu guys on Sunday .Found a massive 'hole' in linux software in general . Here's the result  http://dpaste.org/cyr4w/
[08:01] <j0nr> mornig
[08:02] <j0nr> any idea why one id3 command would recognise tags whilst another wouldn't?
[08:02] <j0nr> I have some music files which if I use "eyeD3" will show me tags, but if I use "id3tool" returns that there are no tags?
[08:03] <shauno> there's two versions of id3, (id3v1 and id3v2, cleanly enough).  programs that don't understand v2 tags will return naught if you don't have tags for both versions
[08:03] <bootlkjkgf> Conspiracy theory of the day :: Is the http://www.lhc.gov.uk/What-is-LHC/ the UK secret version of the "Large Hedron Collider" located in Neath, Wales ??
[08:10] <j0nr> shauno: but some files, both which are v2.4, work and some don't, depending on the program
[08:11] <shauno> beats me then.  was a sensible shot in the dark though :)
[08:12] <j0nr> shauno: indeed
[08:14] <Knightwise> morning !
[08:21] <Knightwise> hey mardi
[08:24] <Knightwise> hey schwuk
[08:24] <schwuk> Hi Knightwise
[08:25] <Knightwise> anyone know anything about filerights ?
[08:25] <Knightwise> i'm setting up a folder on my system that should be accesable to users , but only to pick up files from , no write or delete access
[08:31] <xnox> Knightwise: chmod +r
[08:38] <Knightwise> and what would be the best chmod key ?
[08:41] <AlanBell> Knightwise: depends on the group owner of the folder
[08:41] <AlanBell> permissions are Read/Write/eXecute for User/Group/Others
[08:41] <theopensourcerer> knightwise: for directories chmod 755, for the files they should be 644
[08:42] <theopensourcerer> This is the default if you haven't changed your umask.
[08:50] <oimon> i see firefox hasn't changed. was using 3GB RAM this morning
[08:56] <Knightwise> chmo
[08:57] <Knightwise> erm , lets say I'm the owner, I want to manage the files in the directory (and the subdirectories) but the only thing the others are alowwed to do is read and download the files
[09:01] <Knightwise> So if the dir is /home/COMMON , that would be chmod +r 755 /home/COMMON ?
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :)
[09:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:12] <christel> morning brobostigon, JamesTait \o/
[09:12] <JamesTait> Hi christel! :)
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning christel \o/
[09:13] <christel> how are weeee?
[09:13] <JamesTait> christel: I got drenched on the school run this morning. :(
[09:13] <JamesTait> That should tell you all you need to know. ;)
[09:13] <brobostigon> christel: not bad, my eczema is calming, and my back hurts, and you?
[09:14] <christel> ah yes, it is rather wet today! yay for eczema, boo for back :(
[09:14] <christel> i am still not entirely recovered from the weekend (one day i will learn to pace myself!) bar that i am good :)
[09:14] <JamesTait> Boo for my dodgy knees too.
[09:14] <brobostigon> christel: this cooler weather is helping, :)
[09:14] <JamesTait> christel: Did you have a fun and exciting weekend then? Can you remember? :-P
[09:15] <christel> JamesTait: see, i am not entirely sure... ;)
[09:15] <brobostigon> lol
[09:16] <diplo> Morning all
[09:16] <christel> DIPLO \o/
[09:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:16] <diplo> How are we doing young lady ?
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:16] <christel> diplo: not too shabby! thyself? :)
[09:16] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i'm looking to embark on a home server project, been doing some searching around for a fanless setup, the challenge is in hardware selection at this point, i want an ubuntu server, but not too crappy, probably go with an xbmc ontop of ubuntu.
[09:16] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, glad to be back at work
[09:16] <diplo> :D
[09:17] <NET||abuse> so it will be network storage and when i finally buy a tv, the driver for video display
[09:17] <NET||abuse> ive seen some little units from the fitpc range, i'm not sure if they're quite right or maybe they are.
[09:18] <NET||abuse> the other option is to find a nice selection of components and build myself.
[09:18] <christel> :D
[09:18] <NET||abuse> mini-itx size device, nice small case, nothing quite desktop size.
[09:19] <NET||abuse> anyone have opinions on the fit-pc stuff, or know a good resource for components of this fnaless nature?
[09:19] <JamesTait> One of these days, Google is going to cotton on the the fact that these channels are publicly archived, figure out a way to link IRC nicks to Google accounts, and we'll all start seeing spookily relevant adverts wherever we go.
[09:19] <christel> haha
[09:19] <NET||abuse> JamesTait: that's very Orwellian
[09:19] <NET||abuse> you might be right.
[09:20] <JamesTait> Scary thought.
[09:20] <brobostigon> well search for my nick on google, as it is very weird, already.
[09:20] <NET||abuse> brobostigon: china forum?
[09:20] <brobostigon> NET||abuse: one of the very first results, is a result from here.
[09:21] <NET||abuse> heh, you have an eve-online character?
[09:21] <brobostigon> i do not.
[09:21] <NET||abuse> not you then? http://www.my-eve.com/character/Antar%20Brobostigon
[09:21] <brobostigon> no.
[09:22] <JamesTait> You have a blog.
[09:22] <NET||abuse> omg, what kind of nut has a blog?
[09:22] <brobostigon> i havent used it in ages.
[09:23] <JamesTait> And I have one supremely stinky cat. brb
[09:23] <NET||abuse> hmm, what's the concensus? For or against using fit-pc as the basis for your network server/xbmc setup?
[09:24] <NET||abuse> i figure the usb3 ports allow for extending storage with an external unit.. though i've no idea what unit is good for that,
[09:24] <popey> which fit-pc? they do a few models
[09:25] <NET||abuse> i think the intense
[09:25] <NET||abuse> but sticking to the £290 model.
[09:26] <NET||abuse> then again, can i do better than £490 for a unit with an i3?
[09:27] <NET||abuse> I want it to act as a home server for media collections, attached storage might be on the cards, it has 2 eSata ports, so maybe a nice home level enclosure
[09:27] <NET||abuse> not sure of a unit i've seen that would use eSata though
[09:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, struggling to see the comparison beetween the intense andthe fit pc3 pro
[09:31] <NET||abuse> £319 with AMD 1.6Ghz chip, 4GB ram, radeon hd6320,, vs Celeron 847E 1.1Ghz, Intel HD 2000, and no decernable descriptoin of what ram by default, have to add drive and ram combo for additional £93
[09:32] <NET||abuse> i have a pool of 2.5" sata drives to use.
[09:32] <popey> i use an hp microserver as my home storage
[09:32] <diplo> moi aussi
[09:32] <popey> and use an Acer Revo as the frontend connected to the telly
[09:32]  * diplo copies popey to much!
[09:33] <diplo> Works well though :)
[09:33] <JamesTait> I could think of worse people to copy.
[09:33] <NET||abuse> hmm, yeh, any good suppliers for the HP micro servers?
[09:33] <NET||abuse> might look there.
[09:33] <JamesTait> The problem is, he has so many good ideas.
[09:33] <diplo> Yes JamesTait and not enough cash here :)
[09:33] <JamesTait> And then shares them.
[09:33] <diplo> Ebuyer I think I got mine from NET||abuse
[09:34] <diplo> 100 quid cash back still on I think
[09:34] <NET||abuse> yeh, they come up high on the result list.
[09:34] <JamesTait> And then I end up sitting there trying to figure out a way I can satisfy the want.
[09:34] <JamesTait> diplo: Same here.
[09:35] <NET||abuse> ohh, wow, that's making it a far stronger case. also i have 2 1TB sata drives in a drawer here doing nothign i could throw into that.
[09:37] <NET||abuse> http://www.ebuyer.com/281915-hp-proliant-turion-ii-n40l-microserver-100-cashback-658553-421
[09:37] <NET||abuse> is that the only model they do?
[09:37] <popey> I put the boot disk into the optical bay
[09:37] <popey> yes, the n36L was discontinued
[09:37] <popey> so i have 4x2TB in the drive bays and boot disk is a small SSD
[09:38] <popey> also added an external 4x2TB array which makes for more fun happy storage times
[09:38] <diplo> lol popey, how much storage!
[09:38] <diplo> :P
[09:38] <xnox> popey: do you have Intel Rapid / Intel Matrix Storage System RAID?
[09:38] <popey> I also have 4 more 2TB disks, nothing to put them in
[09:39] <popey> need to replace the 4 bay storage tower with an 8 bay one
[09:39] <diplo> I have!
[09:39] <diplo> :P#
[09:39] <popey> then I'll have 12x2TB in the server
[09:39] <popey> heh
[09:39] <oimon> globally, are android or apple phones more popular atm?
[09:39] <popey> define $popular
[09:39] <oimon> sales
[09:39] <oimon> couldn't find any stats that were current
[09:39] <xnox> oimon: do you a want a phone that can find a nearest coffee shop or the one with crippled maps & navigation?
[09:40] <popey> here we go again
[09:40] <popey> groundhog day in here
[09:40] <oimon> i'm making a case for providing a service that works on android and not just apple at work
[09:41] <xnox> oimon: the only sales figures you can rely on are the yearly calls / tax submissions but they happen at different points in the year for all companies involved. All other figures are made up to minimize taxes.
[09:42] <Knightwise> hmm.. looking at getting me one of those MK802.II
[09:42] <Knightwise> 52 euro's is not much to pay for a computer
[09:43] <oimon> - Android - 104.8 million units, 68.1% market share (46.9% in the same period last year)  iOS - 26.0 million units, 16.9% share (18.8% Q2 2011)
[09:43] <oimon> that will do for my email.
[09:43] <popey> hah
[09:43] <popey> who is target audience?
[09:43] <popey> employees? what demographic?
[09:44] <popey> if I surveyed people in the age range 10-16, I'd bet there were way more blackberries than iphone or android
[09:44] <oimon> it was undefined as "the public"
[09:44] <popey> riiight
[09:44] <oimon> they created a service limited to itunes
[09:44] <oimon> and left it at that, i want to call them to task over it
[09:46] <shauno> let's just hope they're not using something like itunes U then, in which case they'll quickly point out that there simply isn't feature parity
[09:53] <NET||abuse> popey: i think i'm gonna copy you, what is the storage array's you use?
[09:53] <popey> they no longer make it anymore
[09:53] <popey> EDGE10
[09:53] <NET||abuse> I am disapointment in my grammer
[09:53] <popey> others are available
[09:54] <NET||abuse> yeh, will have a look into that, is a good plan.
[09:54] <popey> note that the eSATA port on the microserver does _not_ do port multiplexing
[09:54] <popey> so you have to use a pcie card, which needs to be half-height, half-length with a small bracket
[09:54] <popey> the array I bought came with one, which has two eSATA ports which _do_ support port multiplexing
[09:55] <NET||abuse> so i can't use 2 drives on hte port as it stands?
[09:55] <NET||abuse> or just not raid?
[09:55] <popey> you can't have more than one drive on the built-in port
[09:55] <popey> unless the device containing those drives abstracts it away, so you only see one drive
[09:55] <popey> e.g. if I plug my 4-bay edge10 into the onboard eSATA port, I can only see the first disk in the array
[09:55] <NET||abuse> so t's not raid specifically,
[09:56] <popey> plug it into the pcie eSATA card I can see all the disks
[09:56] <NET||abuse> ohhh, on the external
[09:56] <popey> I use btrfs on my server
[09:56] <NET||abuse> i see
[09:56] <NET||abuse> so you can just have single device on an external connection, unless the external device abstracts away the drives
[09:57] <popey> ya
[09:57] <NET||abuse> but the 2 internal ports are eSata yes? and can pop in 2 drives.
[09:57] <popey> which most dumb arrays dont
[09:57] <popey> 2 internal ports?
[09:57] <NET||abuse> uhh, eSata? i just mean sata
[09:57] <popey> mine (n36L) only has one
[09:57] <NET||abuse> there's the optical bay nad 2 internal drive bays?
[09:57] <popey> no, optical bay and 4 internal bays
[09:58] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwBbgfB7n8
[09:58] <popey> see that
[09:59] <NET||abuse> cheers.
[10:00] <NET||abuse> did you get it to boot off usb for installing your os?
[10:00] <popey> see 2:56 for the internal shot
[10:00] <NET||abuse> or did you need an external optical drive?
[10:01] <popey> i have no need for an optical drive
[10:01] <popey> i increased the RAM in mine
[10:01] <popey> its a cracking little box
[10:02] <NET||abuse> loudness wise? could you have it in your living room and be able to read a book without the fan sound distracting you?
[10:02] <popey> mine is sat 1 foot from my head
[10:02] <popey> i work all day with it on :)
[10:02] <NET||abuse> hmm, just spousal approval rating wise :)
[10:03] <popey> it only has one fan in it, on the back, quite big and not too noisy
[10:03] <NET||abuse> ye, saw the fan in that video.
[10:03] <popey> probably be okay behind the telly, depends on the size of your lounge :)
[10:03] <popey> apparently you can stick 16GB RAM in them
[10:04] <NET||abuse> actually our new place is lovely, nice big long living room
[10:04] <NET||abuse> could put 4 sofas along the 2 walls and there's still the fireplace in the middle.
[10:05] <NET||abuse> we've no tv yet
[10:05] <NET||abuse> that's in a future month's purchase plan.
[10:12] <oimon> shauno, it is itunes u
[10:13] <oimon> they called it the itunesU project, which sort of made the product choice a fait accompli
[10:14] <NET||abuse> just bit the bullet
[10:14] <NET||abuse> went ahead with teh microserver
[10:15] <NET||abuse> it's a better setup than anything else really out ther.e
[10:15] <NET||abuse> and the cashback if it works out just sweetens it so much more.
[10:16] <shauno> they rarely offer the cashback in RoI :/  no fair
[10:17] <NET||abuse> ah well, that used to be my problem, now i'm a Londoner :)
[10:17] <shauno> resistance is futile eh
[10:17] <NET||abuse> indeed
[10:18] <NET||abuse> down with the sasanach!! .... uhh, woah, gotta curb that reflex
[10:18] <shauno> sometimes I swear I'm just here to confuse people.  I'm the southerner that moved to Ireland looking for work.
[10:18] <diplo> Proving hard work shauno ?
[10:18] <NET||abuse> Southerner?
[10:19] <shauno> not at all diplo
[10:20] <shauno> there's a surprising number of companies here just for the tax rate.  so in the right sectors, the work's there :)
[10:20] <NET||abuse> the market is strong back home for sure, but it's a little un-interesting in some ways
[10:20] <diplo> IT sector shauno ?
[10:21] <shauno> yeah
[10:21] <diplo> All I hear ( when I actually watch the news ) is that things are really bad over there, no work etc
[10:21] <NET||abuse> the entrepreneurial side has no market to sell to so it's rare to find a nice company to work for.
[10:21] <NET||abuse> the work in IT is all for the multinationals
[10:22] <shauno> right.  anyone big and faceless enough that it doesn't matter so much to them where they're based
[10:23] <NET||abuse> there isn't the same presence of the really huge big names in London it seems, but ther's a broader range of smaller firms with interesting work to be done, that's why I'm over
[10:23] <shauno> eg, amazon-aws being in dublin
[10:23] <NET||abuse> yeh, 3 of my friends back home work there
[10:24] <NET||abuse> my cousin married another guy there too :)
[10:25] <shauno> msft, apple, xerox, hp, dell, google, vmware, etc etc.  it's quite popular to have a presence here just to call HQ for your EU arm, just for the corporate tax rate
[10:25] <NET||abuse> I was nearly through the google interviews 2 years ago,site reliability team, then i decided against it in favour of a short stint with a smaller team in dublin and planned the move over here:)
[10:27] <shauno> but yeah, at the other end, it's not very startup friendly.  especially not at the moment.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> after being interviewed by a quarter of the team, that being 8 people for the day, i realised that wasn't the way i wanted to work.
[10:28] <NET||abuse> yeh, i was in 2 startups in dublin, but they really don't have  the same hope or support that other tech centers have
[10:29] <NET||abuse> the government mentoring and grants are rediculously managed, the vc pool is too sparse, and the banks are just not interested
[10:30] <NET||abuse> anyway, enough ranting!!!
[10:30] <NET||abuse> i got a microserver on route :)
[10:30] <NET||abuse> happy day
[10:32]  * AlanBell has just been having a planning meeting about recruitment
[10:33] <diplo> Interesting ?
[10:35] <AlanBell> yeah, need to put together a job spec
[10:48] <christel> hire all the people \o/
[10:52] <NET||abuse> why not zoidberg?
[10:55] <diplo> How many are you looking for just the one AlanBell  ?
[10:56] <christel> i hope they're not getting another AlanBell!
[10:56] <diplo> :)
[10:56] <oimon> popey, i don't suppose you got time to look at 945987 yesterday did you?
[10:56] <oimon> bug 945987
[10:56] <popey> no, but can now
[10:56] <popey> \o/ lunchtime
[10:56]  * oimon high fives popey
[10:59] <bigcalm> Lunch sounds like a splendid idea
[11:01] <Laney> I was going to bike to town in lunch to get beer festival tickets
[11:01] <Laney> but this rain :(
[11:04] <bigcalm> Some what constant up here
[11:04] <oimon> did you all make use of the amazon 99p album offer?
[11:04] <theopensourcerer> christel: Another someone called Alan would be a bonus
[11:04] <bigcalm> Nothing like the rain around Reading on my way home yesterday though. The spray on the motorway was like driving in fog
[11:05] <popey> Laney, can you see bug 945987 - neither oimon nor I have a "settings" button in Rhythmbox -> Edit -> Preferences -> Music which indicates it's not fixed
[11:05] <christel> theopensourcerer: see now i have visions of you deleting all applications from anyone not called alan!
[11:05] <popey> i see four options, mp3, mp4, ogg, flac, but the settings button is greyed out
[11:06] <theopensourcerer> We would also be very happy with an Alana too christel
[11:06] <davmor2> morning prods for christel and czajkowski
[11:11] <czajkowski> popey: that seems to be wrking here for me
[11:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[11:11] <czajkowski> popey: if I change prefered format to ogg I can change the format settings
[11:12] <christel> hi hi davmor2
[11:14] <christel> theopensourcerer: hehe
[11:18] <davmor2> theopensourcerer: surely it would get confusing when someone rings in and says, "Hi it think I was talking to Alan about x.."
[11:20] <Laney> popey: yeah i'm sure there's more work to do there.
[11:21] <oimon> atm i cannot view or define mp3 settings at all
[11:21] <popey> czajkowski, you're on quantal
[11:21] <popey> I am on precise
[11:21] <czajkowski> popey: ah
[11:22] <Laney> Perhaps you can copy /usr/share/gstreamer-0.10/presets/*.prs to ~/.gstreamer-0.10/presets
[11:22] <Laney> bit of a shot in the dark
[11:26] <popey> Laney, copied them, restarted rb, made no difference
[11:27] <Laney> soz
[11:27] <YaManicKill> the microserver looks awesome, I never realised it had 4 bays
[11:27] <YaManicKill> is it hardware raid? if so, what raids does it support?
[11:28] <Laney> I might look into it again at some point (depends on VMs deciding to work again though)
[11:29] <oimon> Laney, tried on 2 machines, so should be easy to repoduce OOTB
[11:29] <Laney> I believe you
[11:29] <kaushal> Hi
[11:29] <kaushal> is there a way to scp multiple .gz files from remote server at one go meaning quickly transfer multiple files at the same time?
[11:30] <diplo> scp *.gz user@ip:/place/to/put/them
[11:30] <Laney> just list them
[11:31] <kaushal> diplo: i need to pull files
[11:31] <kaushal> or any other tool which can do it
[11:31] <diplo> Hmm I've not tried that actually the other way round
[11:32] <diplo> As Laney said, just list them
[11:32] <shauno> scp is fine with remote wildcards
[11:32] <Laney> you might have to protect them from your local shell
[11:32] <diplo> So scp user@host:/location"filename,filname" .
[11:32] <kaushal> shauno: any example?
[11:33] <kaushal> diplo: ok
[11:33] <diplo> I'd not tried that shauno so didn't want to say :)
[11:33] <Laney> comma? I think you mean space
[11:34] <Laney> laney@iota> scp home:"temp/cups_1.6.1-0ubuntu6.dsc temp/separate-sub" .                                                               ~/temp
[11:34] <Laney> cups_1.6.1-0ubuntu6.dsc                                                                                100% 2770     2.7KB/s   00:00
[11:34] <Laney> separate-sub                                                                                100% 9241     9.0KB/s   00:00
[11:34] <diplo> Seems if you use commas you put it in curly braces
[11:34] <diplo> I'd go with space instead :D
[11:34] <shauno> I use "scp mail:*log ."  disturbingly ofte, so I know it works :)
[11:36] <shauno> (and doesn't appear to colide with local shell expansion in bash, I assume not having a space before the * makes it difficult to match locally)
[11:44] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: Hey dude I've hit an odd issue,  I copy my ~/.TB folder from one machine to another an in the new version in Quantal I keep getting a login password issue if my precise box is logged in at the same time is there anywhere that would give me some more insight into the issue?
[11:48] <kaushal> Laney: Thanks
[11:48] <kaushal> diplo: thanks
[12:10] <NET||abuse> haha, after all this micro server talk, found the what looks to be the same machine on serverdirect.co.uk for over twice the price?  inc.vat : £671.96
[12:10] <NET||abuse> instead of £216.98inc. vat
[12:10] <bittin^work> seems i have a date with a 13year older woman tonight :D
[12:10] <NET||abuse> almost 3 times.
[12:10] <pinky-> bittin^work, are you a maths teacher?
[12:10] <NET||abuse> bittin^work: with out the "er" it's be scary
[12:11] <bittin^work> pinky-, nope
[12:11] <pinky-> oh "older" .. I missed that on first read
[12:11] <bittin^work> lol
[12:11] <NET||abuse> me too :)
[12:16] <diplo> And me :D
[12:18] <oimon> bittin^work, how old are you?
[12:18] <bittin^work> 21
[12:19] <oimon> i know of couples the other way round
[12:19] <oimon> and i'm 8.5 years older than my missis
[12:19] <oimon> i know a few male-female>13
[12:20] <christel> :o
[12:20] <bittin^work> o:
[12:20] <christel> i too read that as "a 13 year old woman" first time round
[12:20] <christel> :D
[12:22] <popey> half your age +7
[12:23] <NET||abuse> he'd still be breaking that rule then.
[12:23] <NET||abuse> by that standard, 19 year old could go out with 16 year old.
[12:23] <Danno_> are there any onscreen keyboards for Lubuntu that work at the login screen
[12:24] <AlanBell> Danno_: tried asking in #lubuntu?
[12:29] <oimon> popey, married my wife when i was 30, she was 22. wasn't socially ok before then :P x/2+7
[12:30] <popey> outrage
[12:30] <mattt> oimon: :P
[12:31] <oimon> actually i think the x/2+7 is the optimal age, right?
[12:31] <oimon> for women dating younger men , the ruile is different
[12:32] <AlanBell> no, it is symetrical (and offtopic) see http://xkcd.com/314/
[12:33] <oimon> :)
[12:34]  * bigcalm flops
[12:35] <pinky-> if you can't get a 30 year old then 2 x's 15 will do doesn't take a maths degree
[12:35] <AlanBell> now we are going *very* off topic . . .
[12:36] <pinky-> ok sorry
[12:36] <pinky-> I couldn't help it
[12:36] <AlanBell> lets talk about Amazon search results instead
[12:36] <theopensourcerer> lol
[12:36] <AlanBell> should they go in the dash?
[12:36] <bittin^work> nope :(
[12:36] <bittin^work> not that i ever use unity anyways
[12:38]  * daubers doesn't order physical goods from Amazon anyways
[12:38] <oimon> i have £55 in gift certs to spend there
[12:38] <bittin^work> i never ordered anything from Amazon
[12:38] <oimon> :-\
[12:39] <daubers> I used to order lots from Amazon, until they started relying on Yodel :(
[12:39] <bittin^work> Webhallen ftw!
[12:39] <oimon> i don't usnderstand these words
[12:39] <christel> yodelling amazons not your thing oimon ?
[12:39] <bittin^work> Webhallen is a .se online store :D
[12:40] <oimon> i bought an album for 99p yesterday thought from them
[12:40] <bittin^work> http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/
[12:40] <oimon> there's a special offer on
[12:40] <oimon> trouble is, i remembered a load of other albums i wasnted to get
[12:40] <pinky-> when I order from Amazon I only buy when it's actually Amazon stocked as I've had too many experiences with fake goods from China being stocked by unscrupulous dealers
[12:41] <oimon> true
[12:41] <popey> daubers, they dont always, i just got two parcels via royal snail
[12:41]  * oimon wonders where his rep[lacement touchpad screen is
[12:41]  * popey hugs amazon prime
[12:41]  * czajkowski worshops Amazon
[12:41] <daubers> popey: I know, but I've not recieved anything they sent through yodel :(
[12:41] <czajkowski> it's coming to Christmas shopping so will be living on it again
[12:42] <daubers> And they can't guarentee who it ships with
[12:42] <oimon> this pack of haribo has a high proportion of sour cherries, and i'm not complaining about that :)
[12:42] <daubers> I even offered them more money to ship with someone else
[12:42] <daubers> :(
[12:45] <oimon> daubers, get a job as a postie :)
[12:45] <oimon> or freelance postie where you get to pick it up from the distribution centre
[12:46] <popey> not had a problem with yodel
[12:46] <popey> anyway.. shopping results in the dash.. yay! :D
[12:46] <daubers> yodel == Home Delivery Network :)
[12:46] <bigcalm> ¬,¬
[12:46] <oimon> i don't know who they are, i just get stuff delivered and it arrives
[12:46] <popey> ditto
[12:47] <popey> love working from home, makes amazon prime all the more worthwhile, order, arrives next day, play!
[12:47] <daubers> popey: That in principle is a good thing :) Just hoping it get's extended to other retailers over time
[12:47] <popey> it will
[12:47] <oimon> we'll soon find out that the ubuntu referral code is actually popey's
[12:47] <popey> hah, i wish :)
[12:48] <oimon> amazon mp3 downloading is terrible nowadays
[12:48] <oimon> on linux
[12:48] <oimon> i resort to using clamz
[12:48] <popey> surely thats the sensible thing to do anyway?
[12:48] <popey> use the right app for the job
[12:48] <oimon> bit harder to tell the wife
[12:48] <oimon> over the phone
[12:49] <oimon> banshee used to do it nicely, but it's annoying to have massive app for that.
[12:49] <oimon> and it was crashy
[12:50]  * bigcalm sets up a vm for unity on fredora
[12:51] <bigcalm> It's at times like these that I wish I had a larger SSD in my workstation
[12:51] <bigcalm> s/fredora/fedora
[12:52] <theopensourcerer> Amazon on Unity will not affect me much as I rarely use dash(es) anyway. They just seem to be a superfluous layer of shiny that I have no need for whatsoever.
[13:01]  * davmor2 suddenly has his eyes opened to the fact that theopensourcerer said superfluous and shiny in the same sentence, there is no such thing as too much shiny unless it is monitor/tv screens, wash your mouth out ;)
[13:01]  * theopensourcerer is a very opaque and matt kind of guy.
[13:03] <bigcalm> Kind of grey?
[13:03] <christel> 50 shades of
[13:04]  * theopensourcerer tinks the channel is about to veer OT again.
[13:04] <bigcalm> 50 shares of Alans
[13:05]  * AlanBell suspects kicking christel would not work well, so carry on ;)
[13:05] <bigcalm> s/shares/shades
[13:05] <bigcalm> I really struggled to write shades, most strange
[13:05] <theopensourcerer> try raybans instead
[13:06] <bigcalm> christel \o/
[13:06] <christel> AlanBell: it would be mean and wrong, like kicking a puppy.
[13:12] <bigcalm> christel: what does it mean when you do it to yourself?
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: you're a dipstick
[13:13] <bigcalm> Hehe
[13:13] <christel> it wasnt me, AlanBell must have hax0red freenode.
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: you're drunk?
[13:13] <bigcalm> davmor2: but christel never gets drunk
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: Or incredibly clumsy
[13:14] <christel> i think you've lost me
[13:15] <davmor2> christel: that or bigcalm knows another christel :D
[13:15] <christel> could be, could be
[13:28] <bittin^work> time to go home and drink some tea before going out with a 13year older woman :D
[13:28] <christel> hehe enjoy your older woman ;)
[13:29] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:29] <bigcalm> I thought it was a cat
[13:29] <dwatkins> nothing wrong with going out with someone older :-p
[13:29] <christel> you thought it was a cat...
[13:29] <christel> what
[13:29] <bigcalm> A 13 year old cat
[13:30] <bigcalm> Quite old
[13:30] <christel> true, but wouldn't it be a tad weird to go on a date with a cat
[13:30] <dwatkins> depends... no if you were meeting this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTwcCVajAc
[13:30] <dwatkins> *not
[13:31] <christel> haha <3
[13:34] <bigcalm> Oh my
[13:35] <pinky-> dwatkins, follwed by this video:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[13:35] <dwatkins> pinky-: curse you, I'm going to have to go find some My Little Pony drum'n'bass remixes now to get that out of my head ;)
[13:36] <dwatkins> haha it's hilarious though
[13:36] <pinky-> hahaha
[13:36] <NET||abuse> woah, wtf,,,, that chick is emm, got nice boobs..
[13:36] <dwatkins> I blame your choice of nickname for my choice of alternative ;)
[13:37] <Myrtti> AlanBell: *spoing*
[13:37] <AlanBell> hi Myrtti
[13:37] <NET||abuse> jeebus, she's nuts
[13:37] <bigcalm> Coo, it's Myrtti
[13:39] <dwatkins> ooh, this isn't too bad either
[13:39] <dwatkins> "Pinkie Pie's Party Cannon - Drum and Bass Mix" - hours of fun, well an hour...
[13:42] <directhex> ._.
[13:42] <davmor2> apparently Myrtti has turning into zebedee oh wait no that was boing
[13:42] <Myrtti> davmor2: it's a flu-ish ping
[13:42] <NET||abuse> dwatkins: pinky- did you see the follow up to that video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDpc9g0Z4Hs&feature=fvwrel
[13:42] <Myrtti> I don't have energy for a ping, so I did a sloppy spoing
[13:42]  * pinky- clicks
[13:43] <davmor2> Myrtti: ahaha
[13:43] <christel> a spoing eh? is that a very wet and spongy kinda pingpong? :o
[13:43] <pinky-> I'm a bit slow as I was listening to this. People power helped with cloud discovery http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19700699
[13:44] <Myrtti> christel: I'm not in that stage yet
[13:45] <NET||abuse> pinky-: i was thinking it was some cloud service discovery thing till i clicked the link
[13:45] <pinky-> hehe:)
[13:45] <dwatkins> brings new meaning to 'cloud storage'
[13:46] <pinky-> NET||abuse, yeah lol I first clicked it thinking the same then sat there for 5 minutes with a blank mind
[13:46] <NET||abuse> hehe, cloud appreciation society, that has to be the most important news of the week
[13:50] <dwatkins> I can see a teapot...
[13:55] <bigcalm> Status 418
[13:56] <dwatkins> :D best HTTP status ever
[13:56]  * dwatkins wonders what the criteria are to envoke this
[14:00] <directhex> dwatkins, to invoke HTTP 418? attempting to use HTCPCP when the target device is a teapot, not a coffee pot
[14:01] <directhex> as per RFC 2324:
[14:01] <directhex>    Any attempt to brew coffee with a teapot should result in the error
[14:01] <directhex>    code "418 I'm a teapot". The resulting entity body MAY be short and
[14:01] <directhex>    stout.
[14:04] <dwatkins> ah I see, of course :)
[14:14] <Myrtti> meh, talking of tea, I can't find where my sister keeps the honey
[14:14] <Myrtti> I can't do my traditional rosehip tisane with honey :-(
[15:31] <diplo> exit
[15:31] <diplo> oops
[15:43] <ali1234> Monday, 2012-09-20, 17:00 UTC.
[15:43] <ali1234> wat
[15:46] <popey> oops
[15:46] <zleap> erm how did it work that date out ?
[15:48] <popey> ali1234, getting it fixed
[15:48] <popey> thanks !
[15:48] <ali1234> bit late now, don't you think?
[15:48] <ali1234> i mean it's in 2 hours
[15:49] <ali1234> unless it was last thursday
[15:49] <popey> its today
[15:50] <ali1234> that reminds me actually
[15:50] <ali1234> i noticed the other day, that they've decided to go with grub2 on uefi
[15:51] <popey> yeah
[15:51] <ali1234> my post about that to ubuntu-developers is still awaiting moderation
[15:51] <ali1234> after like 6 weeks
[15:54] <popey> :(
[15:54] <popey> cjwatson is the person to poke I suspect
[15:54] <popey> maybe too late I guess :)
[15:54] <ali1234> yeah
[15:54] <ali1234> it's pointless to post it now
[15:56] <ali1234> there was never any risk of key disclosure
[15:56] <ali1234> injunctions against selling the devices, yes
[15:56] <ali1234> but you can't force someone to do something with the GPL. you can only force them to stop.
[17:01] <AlanBell> anyone know how to talk directly with a USB printer as if it was an old style serial device?
[17:01] <AlanBell> I want to send ESC/P instructions direct
[17:05] <popey> echo "foo " > /dev/ttyS0 ?
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> /dev/usblp0?
[17:06] <popey> seems to be /dev/usb/lp1
[17:06] <popey> on mine
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> cat > /dev/usb/lp1
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> then just type what needs typing
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> of you want special "ESC" codes, use "echo -e \033foo" (033 = 0x1b = ESC)
[17:13] <AlanBell> bash: /dev/usb/lp1: Permission denied
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ls -l, check against your id
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: or use sudo :)
[17:14] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: that was with sudo
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> wut
[17:15] <Azelphur> gah, thunderbirds slowness is starting to annoy me :(
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> ls -ld /dev/usb ?
[17:15] <AlanBell> crw-rw---- 1 root lp 180, 1 Sep 24 17:58 /dev/usb/lp1
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> haha lubotu3 :)
[17:15] <AlanBell> lulz
[17:58] <AlanBell> well I can write text to it
[17:58] <AlanBell> the thing does ESC/POS which is related to ESC/P but not quite the same
[17:59] <AlanBell> sending stuff to it with lpr -o raw works, dunno what is up with the devices
[18:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:05] <AlanBell> hello
[18:05] <czajkowski> hows folks this evening
[18:06] <czajkowski> whats happening for the release party - not that I'll be hear
[18:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: fair to middling
[18:11] <AlanBell> czajkowski: looking into a venue that has been offered, otherwise there are a couple of pubs
[18:11] <AlanBell> and wut!! not here??
[18:11] <czajkowski> cool
[18:12] <davmor2> hmmmmm FALCO ROCK ME AMA.....AMA......AMADEUS
[18:19] <christel> AlanBell: i know, shocking isnt it?!
[19:18] <davmor2> night all
[19:21] <mattt> davmor2: later
[19:32] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's lovely :)
[19:58] <Laney> I think I just developed a thing for Nigella
[20:00] <bigcalm> Lawson?
[20:00] <jacobw> uh, put it away ;)
[20:00] <bigcalm> Only now?
[20:00] <Laney> first time I've really seen any of her shows
[20:00] <popey> heh
[20:00] <mattt> she's annoying :-/
[20:00] <popey> you know you're getting old when...
[20:00] <mattt> i can't stand watching her on tv
[20:01] <mattt> also
[20:01] <popey> She's no match for Alex Politzi
[20:01] <mattt> as my wife says
[20:01] <Laney> I didn't find her annoying
[20:01] <mattt> there's a reason she never shows full body shots :P
[20:01] <Laney> haha
[20:01] <Laney> meow :(
[20:01] <popey> http://meow.popey.com/
[20:01] <Laney> Only Connect is on Right Now™
[20:01] <Laney> BBC 4.  I was watching Nigella instead
[20:02] <mattt> burn
[20:03] <Laney> s'alright, iPlayer will save me
[20:04] <mattt> so much for registering a .ie
[20:08] <AlanBell> think I might have to make a .ppd file
[20:22] <Azelphur> PC repair shop is saying to my cousin that the heatsink clamps snapped and caused the processor and motherboard to overheat and fry, sounds like bs to me?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ask to see it first
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> It pays to take "Before" pics too
[20:23] <Azelphur> I saw it a few days ago, I didn't notice any damage on the heatsink, but I didn't particularly look
[20:23] <Azelphur> it certainly wasn't majorly damaged, it was definitely on there and in the right position
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> then I'd ask to see it
[20:24] <Azelphur> but I'm thinking even if it was damaged, surely the thermal protection would kick in?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> usually, yes..
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> shady "repair place"?
[20:24] <Azelphur> sounds like it
[20:24] <Azelphur> "free diagnosis" :P
[20:25] <AlanBell> Azelphur: why was it in for repair?
[20:26] <Azelphur> AlanBell: it turns on, but doesn't display any image, I swapped out graphics, PSU, and tried removing most of the ram chips, so that kinda narrows it down to either the motherboard or the CPU
[20:27] <Azelphur> so I said take it to a PC shop and ask them to diagnose which is dead
[20:28] <AlanBell> ok, and they didn't have a processor to swap so decided "both" and made up a plausible sounding reason
[20:28] <AlanBell> tbh, the bottom line is that it needs a new motherboard and processor
[20:30] <Azelphur> indeed, sounds like it
[20:30] <Azelphur> not worth replacing imo, it's a core 2 quad with 8GB DDR2 800
[20:30] <Azelphur> might as well buy a new i3 board
[20:30] <Azelphur> cheaper, faster
[20:31] <AlanBell> yup
[20:32] <AlanBell> repair shops won't like saying "it is broken, we have no idea why"
[20:32] <AlanBell> even though that is perfectly true, and there is no need to know why
[20:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:32] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:32] <Azelphur> I would have liked to have known which it was, but I didn't have the replacement parts either
[20:33] <Azelphur> that's why I said take it to a PC store, tell em to find out if it's the CPU or the board
[20:33] <em> I'm afraid I won't know how to begin.
[20:34] <AlanBell> hi em
[20:34] <em> Hey :)
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> Zzz!
[20:59] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1225378/ yeah
[21:14] <AlanBell> heh, got your binary compatible kernel going ali1234?
[21:15] <ali1234> well i managed to build an identical kernel
[21:15] <ali1234> i still need to add ipv6 support to it. when i do the build fails
[21:15] <ali1234> i can't build the uclibc either, and that needs patching for ipv6
[21:15] <ali1234> the build scripts don't work on new gcc
[21:16] <AlanBell> I do hope this ends up being worth the effort for you!
[21:16] <ali1234> and when i build it on old gcc, it makes the kernel build fail with weird asm errors
[21:17] <ali1234> looks like the build system has a nfs mode, i'm trying to set that up
[21:17] <ali1234> the build system is basically the broadcom BSP
[21:18] <ali1234> with foxconn acos tacked on
[21:18] <ali1234> and then a netgear web interface tacked on top of that
[21:18] <ali1234> the whole thing is a complete mess
[21:19] <ali1234> most of it doesn't even work properly
[21:19] <mgdm> what's the hardware, if I can ask?
[21:22] <ali1234> it's full of hardcoded paths to /home/finerain/
[21:24] <ali1234> and only works properly if you run the entire build as root
[21:24] <ali1234> oh and make clean destroys files that can't be rebuilt due to missing source
[21:24] <ali1234> so i have to delete/unpack again every time i make a mistake
[21:24] <ali1234> even the kernel build won't work standalone
[21:24] <ali1234> because they patched the makefile to pull in the proprietary modules
[21:24] <ali1234> if you run make in kernel tree like normal it crashes out because of missing environment variables from the monster top level makefile
[21:27] <ali1234> netgear DGND3700
[21:27] <ali1234> it's not really very hard to see why netgear official firmware updates introduce as many bugs as they fix
[21:30] <ali1234> the netgear product specs talks about how it has a "powerful dual core"
[21:30] <ali1234> but the kernel is not build for SMP
[21:30] <ali1234> so the second core is never used
[21:35] <popey> AlanBell, is there no windows or mac driver?
[21:36] <AlanBell> popey: there is a windows driver
[21:36] <AlanBell> and quite good documentation
[21:36] <popey> what make / model is it?
[21:36] <popey> is it new or 2nd hand?
[21:37] <AlanBell> new
[21:37] <AlanBell> cheap chinese thing
[21:37] <popey> AlanBell, can you set single line spacing?
[21:38] <AlanBell> I am not sure how
[21:39] <popey> ESC 0 Select 1/8-inch line spacing • • • C-51
[21:39] <popey> ESC 2 Select 1/6-inch line spacing • • • C-53
[21:39] <popey> ESC 3 Set n/180-inch line spacing • • — C-55
[21:39] <popey> ESC 3 Set n/216-inch line spacing — — • C-56
[21:39] <popey> ESC + Set n/360-inch line spacing • • — C-57
[21:39] <popey> oops
[21:39] <popey> middle dot is esc/p
[21:39] <popey> left dot is esc/p2
[21:51] <WebPigeo1> what blew up :/
[21:56] <bittin__> hmm i went to a date with a girl in Sweden today, and now i have 2 tickets to UK :p
[22:00] <popey> bittin, is that good or bad? :)
[22:00] <bittin> popey, okay i guess
[22:00] <bittin> would be anymore good if i could stay somewhere on my UK vacation in December, but i guess i can short that out
[22:01] <bittin> UK is far away anyways, so i guess i will make somone sad
[22:01] <bittin> but well worse things has happend
[22:08]  * AlanBell gets http://code.google.com/p/python-escpos/ working (kind of)
[22:09] <AlanBell> oh, I printed out an Ubuntu UK podcast logo on it
[22:09] <AlanBell> because it happened to be a file I found called logo.png
[22:12]  * xnox has join/part messages hidden, so I missed out on all the fun =(
[23:07] <bittin> i should try to stop think about the woman and go the fuck to bed
[23:57] <Danno_> is there any way to make ubuntu treat a long press on the screen as a right click?


[05:48] <Lord_Set> So I am having a weird Juju issue... I have modified the environments file to point to the maas server but it keeps trying to resolve the default address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:48] <Lord_Set> Any ideas of the cause?
[06:47] <bradm> is the environment bootstrapped already?
[06:48] <bradm> check ~/.juju/envronments/env-name.env, that sometimes hangs around longer than you'd like
[06:48] <bradm> or at least, longer than I'd like :)
[07:01] <Lord_Set> Ive updated the environments file 10 times... when I run juju init --show it shows the default environments file
[07:07] <bradm> Lord_Set: uh, because thats what juju init --show does?
[07:07] <bradm> Lord_Set: juju init generates the boilerplate config, --show just prints it to stdout
[07:08] <Lord_Set> I have edited the boilerplate config and init --show just shows the default config again.
[07:09] <bradm> Lord_Set: thats expected behaviour.
[07:09] <bradm> Lord_Set: init --show does that.
[07:09] <bradm> Lord_Set: assuming you mean you editted ~/.juju/environments.yaml
[07:09] <Lord_Set> When I run sync-tools and other commands it tries to reach the default address in the boilerplate config
[07:09] <Lord_Set> Yep
[07:10] <bradm> Lord_Set: have you bootstrapped the environment?  did you edit before or after the bootstrap?
[07:10] <Lord_Set> I edited before
[07:10] <Lord_Set> But I can do it again
[07:11] <Lord_Set> Doing it now
[07:11] <bradm> check if ~/.juju/environments/envname.jenv exists and has the right settings if its not working, sometimes that holds onto old configs for longer than you'd
[07:12] <Lord_Set> Ok
[07:13] <bradm> er, longer than you'd like, even.
[07:44] <bradm> can we access maas tags inside the preseed ?
[07:46] <bradm> bigjools: ^^ ? :)
[08:04] <rvba> bradm: you have access to the node object in the preseed so node.tags.all() will contain all the tags attached to that node.
[12:27] <Lord_Set> What is the best tutorial or site on deploying openstack with MAAS and Juju? I have found a bunch of piece meal like sites but nothing really complete.
[12:27] <Lord_Set> I really want to use MAAS and Juju over Mirantis...
[12:31] <rbasak> Lord_Set: does http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-cloud help as a summary? It has links to other pages.
[12:33] <Lord_Set> Let me take a look and thanks
[12:33] <Lord_Set> Yeah i will go over it and go with that for now. Thanks!
[22:36] <mercsniper> hello all
[22:37] <mercsniper> is there a way to verify "import pxe images" is working from the ui?


[05:04] <ibkanat> trying to get rid of latency issues audio stutter
[05:05] <ibkanat> I want to run netflix and magic jack out of windows till I have solution for them in linux
[05:05] <ibkanat> I have a q6600 and 8 gigs of ram
[05:05] <ibkanat> >	but vm runs best with one core... weird wonder if trying to run a rt-kernel for ubuntu would be best but the lastest rt kernel wont boot
[07:37] <RAOF> Oh, interesting.  Nouveau ctxprogs have been moved out to use the firmware loader interface.
[08:16] <_ruben> how can i debug this error: [   62.120048] bnx2: Can't load firmware file "bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-4.6.17.fw" ?
[08:16] <_ruben> its a custom built kernel
[08:16] <_ruben> but i do have that file in /lib/firmware/
[08:19] <jk-_> _ruben: where in /lib/firmware?
[08:19] <_ruben> hmm .. unloading and reload does work (thought i had tried it before)
[08:20] <_ruben> perhaps /lib/firmware/ wasnt available at boottime yet or so
[08:20] <_ruben> its in the proper /lib/firmware/kernelversion dir
[08:21] <_ruben> perhaps i needa update my initrd or so
[08:39] <tjaalton> RAOF: that was quick :)
[12:18] <tjaalton> heh, so nouveau is now being sent to linus' tree
[12:18] <tjaalton> what a difference one day can make
[12:22] <ghostcube> noveau is being included to kernel :O
[12:24] <tjaalton> looks like it'll make it in .33
[12:24] <virtuald> nice :)
[13:39] <apw> heh typical
[13:42] <ghostcube> apw: will bother you this evening for my cam mysterie
[13:42] <ghostcube> :D
[13:42] <apw> expect me to be in the pub
[13:42] <ghostcube> oki
[13:42] <ghostcube> hehe
[13:53] <gnomefreak> does the kernel control system beep?
[14:18] <csurbhi> apw, i sent the ext4 patch for fixing upstream bug http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14286 to the ext4 ml
[14:18] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 14286 in ext4 "kernel BUG at fs/ext4/extents.c:2863" [Normal,New]
[14:18] <apw> gnomefreak, pretty much yes
[14:18] <apw> csurbhi, cool
[14:19] <gnomefreak> apw: thanks. there is a bug open on it already
[18:27] <ghostcube> apw: after booting without installing anything before cam is dark
[18:27] <ghostcube> :)
[22:26] <WeatherGod> hello, I have come across an interesting bug report
[22:26] <WeatherGod> it says that the kernel is writing entries into /var/log/messages at a growing rate
[22:26] <WeatherGod> started at 20 messages per minute...
[22:27] <WeatherGod> sorry, 20 message per second
[22:27] <WeatherGod> 110 messages a second 4 days later
[22:27] <WeatherGod> "CPU0: Temperature/speed normal"
[22:27] <WeatherGod> any ideas?
[22:30] <jjohansen> what type of messages?
[22:30] <jjohansen> which bug report
[22:30] <WeatherGod> bug 495603
[22:31] <ubot3> Malone bug 495603 in upstart "/var/log/messages is recieving messages 100+ messages a second (since Dec 7, 2009 (last update)) "Dec 11 13:38:47 taylor-laptop kernel: [103577.453350] CPU0: Temperature/speed normal" " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/495603
[22:34] <jjohansen> WeatherGod: that bug doesn't have an attachment or entry with samples of the offending messages.
[22:35] <WeatherGod> no, he is saying that he is getting that message over and over
[22:36] <jjohansen> ah, right in the heading
[22:36] <WeatherGod> the increase in reporting makes me think it has something to do with upstart, maybe respawning processes that shouldn't?
[22:38] <jjohansen> no, that message comes from the x86 throttling
[22:38] <jjohansen> it happends when the cpu was throttled and returning has been returned to normal
[22:38] <WeatherGod> hm
[22:39] <WeatherGod> interesting
[22:39] <WeatherGod> so, is something thrashing the throttling?
[22:39] <jjohansen> which only happens if there are thermal interrupts happening
[22:39] <WeatherGod> say that five time fast
[22:39] <WeatherGod> hmm
[22:40] <jjohansen> basically his machine sounds like it has a hardware issue
[22:40] <WeatherGod> lovely
[22:41] <WeatherGod> can't be an acpi issue?
[22:42] <jjohansen> maybe, could be bad settings of the settings that control when things trip
[22:42] <jjohansen> but I doubt acpi, as it gets worse over time
[22:43] <WeatherGod> maybe have him check his fans and such
[22:44] <WeatherGod> I'll explain the situation to the OR, let him examine his hardware and report back
[22:44] <WeatherGod> thanks for your help


[09:18] <cjwatson> CarlFK: updated, thanks
[09:19] <CarlFK> cjwatson: yay.  and hi!
[09:20] <cjwatson> o/


[04:43] <dlbike76> Hi any kernel triagers online?
[14:16] <Machinista> Can someone move Bug #1079056 to wishlist please.
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079056 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "ubiquity does not detect Windows 8(UEFI)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079056
[21:12] <patr|ck> this channel is about people who want to contribute, not about asking for help with a certain bug, right?
[21:27] <yofel> patr|ck: it's for any bug discussion as long as it's related to triaging bugs
[21:29] <patr|ck> ah, ok
[21:34] <patr|ck> i am wondering if i can help to speed up the triaging of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1079801
[21:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079801 in xorg (Ubuntu) "3D apps do not load for the intel "sandy bridge" gfx chip" [Undecided,New]
[21:34] <patr|ck> or if i should try other 3D applications for testing
[21:35] <patr|ck> and somebody on #intel-gfx said those packages could be affected: kernel, mesa, libdrm, libva-intel and xf86-video-intel
[21:36] <patr|ck> but i was told on #ubuntu-devel to target xorg


[01:25] <pochu> Setting up vinagre (2.24.1-0ubuntu1.1) ...
[01:25] <pochu> *** glibc detected *** gconftool-2: free(): invalid pointer: 0x08f57098 ***
[01:26] <pochu> ouch
[01:26]  * pochu reassigns
[03:47] <gQuigs> Looking for feedback on my feature
[03:47] <gQuigs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/no-input-recovery
[03:48] <gQuigs> *there is actual code, that does work
[10:08] <pochu> gQuigs: looks interesting, but it doesn't look very desktop related. I'd bring it up in #ubuntu-devel and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(or alternatively bring it up on irc on a working day)
[15:56] <anakron> Hi all
[15:56] <anakron> i have one question
[15:57] <anakron> where, if im doing a desktop file, i can put basilisk2
[15:57] <anakron> which category
[15:57] <anakron> is a macintosh emulator
[16:03] <anakron> alo?
[22:15] <DGMurdockIII> will you guys be useing nvapi
[22:15] <DGMurdockIII> http://developer.nvidia.com/object/nvapi.html
[22:38] <pochu> DGMurdockIII: it says it supports all windows platforms... but no mention about linux
[22:38] <pochu> and more important: what for?
[22:39] <DGMurdockIII> like netbooks
[22:39] <DGMurdockIII> it support there low power gpu
[22:43] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html
[22:45] <dobey> are there any netbooks that don't have intel video?
[23:10] <DGMurdockIII> yes
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook_drivers.html
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> (dobey): http://www.nvidia.com/object/notebook_drivers.html
[23:11] <DGMurdockIII> opps
[23:17] <DGMurdockIII> (dobey): this GeForce 9400m chip
[23:17] <DGMurdockIII> (dobey): http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400m_g_us.html
[23:18] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.crn.com/hardware/212501676
[23:21] <dobey> well, that means there's a board
[23:21] <dobey> question is who has their hands on them i guess