[00:11] <BBWonder> ugh
[00:12] <BBWonder> guys, I installed Xubuntu 8.10 but X still will not load (like with the RC)
[00:12] <BBWonder> my screen just flashes three times and than it falls back to the command line interface
[00:13] <BBWonder> is this a common problem with the official 8.10?
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: not really... tried bootting to recovery mode and select fix x?
[00:15] <BBWonder> will that help? I mean, it's a clean install, can anything be broken already?
[00:15] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: thanks for replying btw
[00:16] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: probably just your xorg.conf...
[00:16] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: the fix x options should set you up to use the vesa drivers...
[00:16] <Odd-rationale> then you can trouble shoot after you can at lest log into X :P
[00:16] <BBWonder> that's true
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: you know how to get to recoverymode?
[00:17] <BBWonder> My chipset uses ATI drivers btw
[00:17] <BBWonder> yes I do, thanks
[00:17] <Odd-rationale> my ati works flawlessly, i can even do desktop effects without installing proprietary drivers...
[00:18] <BBWonder> I'll do that and if it doesn't work I'll be back to whine about it :p
[00:18] <Odd-rationale> k :P
[00:18] <BBWonder> :P
[00:27] <BBWonder> whine whine whine :))
[00:28] <BBWonder> so I did: fix x, which was an automated process and helped precisely nothing.
[00:29] <BBWonder> I got the following errors, maybe they ring a bell:
[00:29] <BBWonder> *when giving command: startx* --  Chrome(0): no valid modes found
[00:29] <BBWonder> screens found, but none have usable configurations
[00:30] <BBWonder> furthermore, it returned
[00:30] <BBWonder> xinit: error in lockign authority
[00:30] <BBWonder> file (Xauthority)
[00:30] <BBWonder> I was logged in as SU, by the way
[00:30] <BBWonder> all this really stumps me
[00:31] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: bump :p
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: try removing the ~/.Xauthority in your users home directory...
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: also, can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:36] <Odd-rationale> ?
[00:38] <BBWonder> I don't know how to pastebin :D
[00:39] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: when I remove xauthority, won't that harm the operating system somehow?
[00:39] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: not the one in your $HOME dir...
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> !paste
[00:41] <BBWonder> how do I do this from CLI?
[00:41] <BBWonder> I have to reboot into xubuntu
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[00:42] <BBWonder> thanks will do
[00:49] <aro> worst
[00:49] <aro> fucking
[00:49] <aro> day
[00:49] <aro> of
[00:49] <aro> my
[01:31] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: still there?
[01:31] <BBWonder> http://pastebin.com/f500bd8f4
[01:31] <BBWonder> my xorg.conf
[01:31] <BBWonder> sorry it took a little long :S
[01:33] <ball> Oh no.  I see torrent files for xubuntu-8.04.1-* but none for 8.10
[01:34] <BBWonder> ball: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/hardy/release/desktop/
[01:34] <BBWonder> oh wait shit.. :D
[01:34] <BBWonder> haha
[01:35] <BBWonder> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/release/desktop/
[01:35] <ball> Found it, thanks!
[01:35] <BBWonder> np
[01:35] <ball> Sadly it means tearing the hard disk out of this machine, but oh well...
[01:36] <ball> Ah, there we go
[01:37] <ball> rtorrent's doing its thing now.
[01:37] <BBWonder> I dl-ed that same torrent, it was mighty fast
[01:37] <ball> let's see, where did I put xcalc
[01:40] <ball> there we go: downloading at 221 kbit/sec, uploading at 33 kbit/sec
[01:40] <ball> (doing my bit)
[01:40] <ball> Hang on, that can't be right
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: sorry. just got back from dinner...
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: try editing your xorg.conf file to look like this: http://pastebin.com/m5d5f07b
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> basically adding the Driver          "vesa" line
[01:42] <ball> uploading at 295 kbits/sec
[01:42] <BBWonder> thanks Odd-rationale - damn long time since I vim-ed...
[01:42] <ball> downloading at 41 k/sec
[01:42] <ball> :-)
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: :P also try nano if you prefer..
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> i like vim myself... but nano is simpler...
[01:43] <BBWonder> never nano'd... does it explain how to save, etc?
[01:43] <j1mc> vim ftw :)
[01:43] <j1mc> nano is simpler, though, and i do use it, too.
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: ^x ^y
[01:43] <BBWonder> thanks, looks like vim :D
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: but you know vim, i'd say to just stick to it... :P
[01:44] <BBWonder> ok adding the line, what do you think the chances are of this solving my problem? :D
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> pretty good... :D
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: you don't need to reboot...
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> just from the commnad line try "sudo /etc/ini.d/gdm start"
[01:45] <BBWonder> init.d right?
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> init.d
[01:45] <Odd-rationale> yes
[01:46] <Odd-rationale> sorry... :(
[01:46] <BBWonder> np you've been a big help so far
[01:46] <BBWonder> bbiab
[01:56] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: no luck?
[01:56] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: I'm back
[01:56] <BBWonder> I edited the file and did what you said
[01:57] <BBWonder> this time the error said: failed to load "vesa" -- no drivers available
[01:57] <BBWonder> which is new and exciting
[01:57] <BBWonder> :S
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder: did you install xubuntu 8.10?
[01:57] <BBWonder> yes
[01:57] <BBWonder> clean install by means of the alternate install cd
[01:58] <BBWonder> how can there be no vesa drivers I wonder?
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> try "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-vesa"
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> are you on livecd right now?
[01:59] <BBWonder> no
[01:59] <BBWonder> I'm in windows
[01:59] <Odd-rationale> oh
[01:59] <BBWonder> last time I tried, the live-cd didn't work either
[02:00] <BBWonder> the same thing: it drops into CLI
[02:00] <BBWonder> anyway, anyway bbiab
[02:00] <Odd-rationale> BBWonder:  well try the apt-get comnad then
[02:00] <BBWonder> oh
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:01] <Odd-rationale> i gtg in a bit... :(
[02:01] <BBWonder> No problem
[02:01] <BBWonder> you've been a big help so far
[02:01] <BBWonder> gonna reboot again
[02:01] <BBWonder> bbiab
[02:09] <rerobins> anyone else have the problem where the last row of pixels is shifted over to the left?
[02:11] <BBWonder> Odd-rationale: not sure if you still have time
[02:11] <BBWonder> it said the vesa package was already installed
[02:12] <BBWonder>  /etc/init.d/gdm start did nothing, neither did startx
[02:12] <BBWonder> the screen just flashes two or three times and that's it
[02:19] <BBWonder> aww looks like he's gone
[02:19] <BBWonder> damn
[02:20] <ball> yay!   Suppose I don't like purple.
[02:23] <SmoothPorcupine> How do I change GUI the colors?
[02:24] <SmoothPorcupine> Globally, as oppsed to just for a custom theme.
[02:24] <SmoothPorcupine> the GUI*
[02:25] <ball> There's a theme thing in the menu I think
[02:25] <ball> brb
[02:30] <rerobins> where does xfce keep the session information at?
[02:31] <SmoothPorcupine> I believe it to be at ~/.cache/sessions
[02:33] <rerobins> thanks
[02:34] <ball> pwd
[02:35] <ball> sorry :-)
[02:35] <ball> I'm used to focus-follows-mouse
[02:37] <SmoothPorcupine> More specifically, the Window Manager XPM files can use colors like "active_text_color".
[02:38] <SmoothPorcupine> I have reason to believe it gets these colors from some kind of GTK source.
[02:46] <SmoothPorcupine> Pretty much this question... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898092
[02:51] <favro> SmoothPorcupine: the way I overide the theme settings is by putting this line - include "/home/$USER/.gtkrc.mine" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and in ~/.gtkrc.mine setting the value I want to change
[02:53] <SmoothPorcupine> What value do I want to change?
[02:53] <favro> e.g. style "panel" = "default" { bg[NORMAL] = "#22478e" }
[02:53] <favro> I don't know - what part don't you like?
[02:55] <rerobins> where does xubuntu keep it's system menu include at?
[02:55] <rerobins> err menu.xml
[03:11] <SmoothPorcupine> favro, how about something easy like title bar text color?
[03:13] <favro> SmoothPorcupine: open a theme from /usr/share/themes and read what your present theme is using to call that - I'm not on an xfce box atm
[03:15] <favro> SmoothPorcupine: style "clearlooks-frame-title" = "clearlooks-default"
[03:15] <favro> {
[03:15] <favro>   fg[NORMAL] = "#2a2a2a"
[03:15] <favro> } - is from one I have here
[03:16] <favro> fg means foreground or text
[03:21] <SmoothPorcupine> My current theme has no gtkrc file.
[03:22] <SmoothPorcupine> Making it somewhat hard to understand where the colors are coming from.
[03:29] <SmoothPorcupine> Er, maybe my question is how to set my GTK theme.
[03:37] <gaurdro> any word on how slow the servers are for an upgrade?
[03:38] <gaurdro> SmoothPorcupine:  applications->settings->settings manager->user interface
[03:39] <SmoothPorcupine> Aren't you supposed to give me a command line?
[03:39] <SmoothPorcupine> Instead of a path I may not be able to follow?
[03:41] <gaurdro> that's where you go to set the colors graphicallly, i don't know the specifics of how one goes about it from a CLI but i'd imagine if that's what you're looking for google is your friend
[03:46] <Bumphead> i love 8.10
[03:47] <gaurdro> working on upgrading my lappy now.
[03:51] <favro> SmoothPorcupine: it was the way you asked the question - top left of the desktop has a menu labelled applications
[03:56] <SmoothPorcupine> Ah, I remember that now.
[03:56] <favro> :)
[03:57] <SmoothPorcupine> Turns out it was Crux.
[03:58] <Bumphead> how do i change the number of available workspaces to pager?
[04:03] <favro> that's in the settings manager Bumphead
[04:04] <favro> right click the pager prob works as well
[04:10] <SmoothPorcupine> Any way to avoid cramming gtk_color_scheme into one line?
[04:20] <favro> SmoothPorcupine: err, what do you mean by that - or what are you trying to do?
[04:21] <SmoothPorcupine> In the gtkrc file is this: gtk_color_scheme = "reallyreallyreallylonglistofcolors"
[04:24] <favro> do they have a comment (#) in front of each line? - never seen that in a gtkrc before
[04:53] <Guma> What ware the possible C++ GUI debuggers/IDE that come with 8.10?
[05:23] <MHz128> hello world!
[05:23] <Odd-rationale> hi, MHz128
[05:24] <MHz128> I am looking for something similar to Launchy, Katapult, or Gnome-Do for the Xfce desktop. Does one exist? or can Launchy be run under xfce?
[05:25] <SmoothPorcupine> Can I change the GTK engine without changing the CTK theme?
[05:25] <SmoothPorcupine> GTK*
[05:26] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: really launchy and gnome-do can run in xfce... even katapult for that matter.  :P
[05:26] <Odd-rationale> i liked gnome-do, never tried launchy...
[05:26] <MHz128> Odd-rationale, oh ok. Launchy needs a QT core lib... will that affect anything?
[05:27] <Odd-rationale> nah, it won't really effect anything...
[05:27] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: if you want a lightweight alternative, look up dmenu
[05:28] <MHz128> Odd-rationale, awesome thanks!
[06:03] <Ben_Cs> hello
[06:04] <Ben_Cs> what does it mean when i try to apt-get upgrade, and it tells me some packages are kept back? why are they kept back and not upgraded?!
[06:06] <gaurdro> you haven't run apt-get update.  you have version mismatches between the repository and your system.
[06:06] <Ben_Cs> gaurdro: i did run update first
[06:07] <gaurdro> are you using any 3rd party repo's?
[06:07] <Ben_Cs> getdeb's repo
[06:08] <gaurdro> that's prolly what is causing it.
[06:09] <Ben_Cs> maybe what's kept back are totally new versions and not upgrades and that's why i must install them manuallly?
[06:10] <gaurdro> it's a version mismatch somewhere along the line.  a package you're trying to upgrade is upgradeable but it can't find the correct version of a library or another package that can't be upgraded.  also manually installed versions are set to manual in the local package database , which i believe makes them not upgrade normally.
[06:10] <gaurdro> I dunno about that.  i'm just a user not a developer or anything
[06:10] <Ben_Cs> gaurdro: when i try to upgrade one of the packages through synaptic i get the message that i have unresolved dependencies. strange.
[06:11] <gaurdro> yea,  the package was prolly compiled against a different version of a library that is not available in a repo
[06:12] <Ben_Cs> gaurdro: you mean because getdeb's version is too new for xubuntu's repo's libs?
[06:13] <Ben_Cs> it's weird. don't remember this conflict before.
[06:13] <gaurdro> yea,  so instead of installing a new package that prolly won't work because it can't use the libraries it has it just doesn't install it.
[06:14] <Ben_Cs> ok, makes sence.
[06:14] <Ben_Cs> thanks!
[06:48]  * Tokorona should probably update to intrepid.
[06:50] <Tokorona> I'm just waiting for the 3rd party repo from array to be updated.
[08:18] <MaxFrames> hello. I am running Xubuntu 8.04 and the Update Manager is not showing 8.10 in the available updates list; yet it's available since yesterday. How do I install it?
[08:20] <deoks> MaxFrames: Try open Software sources, click "Update" and change "Show new distribution releases" to "Normal releases"
[08:21] <MaxFrames> ok, I got it, the problem is that "LTS releases only" is selected. Thanks :)
[08:22] <MaxFrames> you nailed it. downloading right now :)
[08:28] <deoks> MaxFrames: Yay :)
[08:29] <MaxFrames> yesterday I tried the ubuntu 8.10 live CD on my home desktop PC, and a couple of application crashed when exiting, let's hope it was due to a bad CD
[08:44] <iMax> does anyone know if geforce2 support is going to be added later to 8.10 or is it just dropped?
[08:44] <iMax> the upgrade tool even notified my that no driver is available, which is nice :)
[08:47] <favro> polite isn't it - I don't know why they would drop that but some others have mentioned it
[08:48] <favro> does your present xorg.conf have more in it then "configured devics"?
[08:50] <favro> s/devics/devices
[08:51] <iMax> just ServerLayout and the glx module
[08:52] <iMax> I would have waited with the upgrade but my radio of my WinTV card does not seem to be working with 8.04
[08:52] <iMax> so I trade radio for compiz
[08:52] <favro> well a backup would be no good then...
[08:53] <favro> maybe ask again in a bit when those "in the know" wake up :)
[08:53] <iMax> hehe
[08:54] <iMax> I tried it earlier and it seems that the nvidia drivers <100 have a problem compiling with the 2.6.27 kernel
[08:55] <favro> not much the *buntus can do about that afaik
[08:55] <iMax> I am afraid so, yes
[08:55] <favro> I'm sure that'll be fixed soon if that is the case
[08:55] <iMax> if this is really the problem, was just something I noticed, not sure if I was doing anything wrong
[08:56] <iMax> hope so, yes :)
[08:56] <iMax> but on the other hand, the geforce2 is not so state of the art anymore, so compiz effects are limited anyway :)
[08:56] <iMax> or lets say "useful" effects
[08:59] <favro> 'cause it isn't state of the art anymore isn't a reason to remove it - I'm sure it would just be a clitch
[09:00] <favro> s/clitch/glitch
[09:00] <iMax> sure
[09:00] <iMax> nvidia's problem I would assume
[09:01] <favro> or a bad choice in the new kernel config
[09:01] <iMax> possible
[09:02] <iMax> but I'll just wait for the updates to arrive :)
[09:02] <favro> or for the xubuntu ops to wakeup and confirm it
[09:03] <iMax> hope the didn't stay up late attending a release party :)
[09:03] <iMax> they
[09:05] <favro> for sure they know it will be busier here today/tonight
[09:12] <knome> wot?
[09:13] <knome> !version
[09:16] <favro> knome: do you know about geforce drivers having kernel issues with ibex's kernel?
[09:16] <knome> favro, sorry, nope
[09:17] <favro> knome: been a couple of folks today mention it
[09:17] <knome> hmhm
[09:18] <knome> have they been able to fix it?
[09:18] <iMax> especially the drivers for older cards seem to have problems
[09:18] <JinKazama> hi all. I haven't a button to upgrade my xubuntu in update manager. how to get it ?
[09:18] <iMax> the updgrade manager informed my that no driver for my card is available if I upgrade
[09:19] <knome> !upgrade
[09:20] <knome> JinKazama, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[09:21] <favro> in the update manager you need to deselect lts only
[09:22] <JinKazama> yes. its OK now :) thanks knome :)
[09:25] <iMax> it's kind of frustrating if the install process of the upgrade takes four times longer than the download. old hardware cannot keep up with the bandwidth nowadays it seems :)
[09:26] <favro> iMax: with a separate /home partition I always install new os instaed of upgrade
[09:27] <deoks> favro: why?
[09:27] <iMax> favro: yeah that would probably be quicker. otoh I have to do some other work anyway ;-)
[09:28] <favro> deoks: I feel it is cleaner and I have the system configs backed up on my file server
[09:29] <iMax> favro: although I have to say that most of the upgrades went really well so far
[09:29] <favro> and configs for apps like firefox etc are retained in my home partition so i don't have to set them up
[09:31] <deoks> favro: I guess you will have to install all your software again thou.
[09:32] <favro> deoks: you have to with an upgrade as well - I do   dpkg -l > dpkg.txt   to get a list
[09:33] <favro> deoks: I should say the upgrade would install newer versions for you - which can take ages
[09:34] <deoks> Probably there are newer version in the repository, but an automatic reinstallation of all my software?
[09:35] <knome> deoks, that's the point of a new release. if you want to keep with the old software, do not upgrade
[09:35] <favro> deoks: that is how the upgrade works - it's not just the system files that are upgraded - all apps that have a newer version get upgraded - try doing that in windows :)
[09:36] <deoks> Of course. Just a little bit confused. :)
[09:36] <favro> we've all been there deoks :)
[09:37] <deoks> Im used to building world on my FreeBSD systems. It's not really the same thing I guess. But you're right about that. Ubuntu is not an OS, it's a software distribution.
[09:39] <iMax> I usually do not mind getting my applications upgraded, but I usually use Linux not as my primary OS, so nothing too important would get lost
[09:40] <favro> we just need the devs to stop removing the verbosity of the various configs - Generated by NetworkManager - is useless when things aren't working
[09:41] <iMax> hmm, is there an easy way to share keyboard and mouse between two computer? I have two computers connected to one monitor (analog/digital) but want to avoid using two keyboards and mice
[09:41] <iMax> favro: true
[09:41] <iMax> is there a vnc minus video?
[09:41] <favro> iMax: try googling kvm
[09:41] <iMax> ok, sorry was looking for a software solution :)
[09:42] <favro> for the mouse/keyboard
[09:42] <favro> ssh for no X connection
[09:42] <favro> !ssh
[09:43] <iMax> I know ssh, but that would not make use of my monitor connection
[09:44] <iMax> so X would be preferred, if there is any useful solution
[09:44] <iMax> X forwarding through SSH would work as well of coufse
[09:44] <iMax> course
[09:45] <favro> !vnc
[09:45] <favro> I use vnc
[09:46] <iMax> thanks for the link, tried to get vino running yesterday but it did not work properly
[09:51] <knome> iMax, you could also ssh -x if you want x forwarding, but that might be a bit heavy.
[09:52] <iMax> knome: yes, I am just thinking about the different options. bandwidth should not be an issue as this is all on the same LAN
[09:53] <knome> sorry, ssh -X
[09:53] <favro> I vnc to my headless file server and have set the router to block the servers' access to the net except for the torrent port
[09:57] <iMax> hmm, there is also an xrdp server, interesting :)
[10:00] <returnCode> iMax; what is xrdp server? something like "terminal server" in windows?
[10:01] <iMax> returnCode: yes
[10:01] <iMax> uses the rdp protocol
[10:01] <iMax> could be useful for desktop access from win machines
[10:01] <iMax> but I haven't tried it yet
[10:01] <returnCode> iMax: ... and the client?
[10:01] <returnCode> Could I use rdp client from win?
[10:02] <iMax> either use rdesktop or default win client
[10:02] <iMax> yes, that is my understanding
[10:02] <returnCode> mmm ... sound very good!
[10:02] <iMax> rdesktop works quite well, so there is good protocol implementation anyway
[10:03] <iMax> as I said, haven't tried it, so I do not know how well it works :)
[10:04] <returnCode> I want  try it on my virtual desktop ...
[10:05] <returnCode> iMax: Is this the link of the project: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/?
[10:06] <iMax> yes
[10:06] <returnCode> Do you know if there is a repository for the project?
[10:07] <returnCode> .. to include in sources.list
[10:07] <iMax> I haven't checked, my upgrade is still running
[10:07] <iMax> don't know of any other repos, no
[10:07] <returnCode> ok .. must compile the project ...
[10:08] <returnCode> It's no good for me ... I am not a guru :-(
[10:09] <iMax> usually you just run configure and make, but I guess this needs some rdesktop libs
[10:09] <favro> !info xrdp
[10:09] <deoks> returnCode: You don't need to be a guru to compile. I can assure you the packages comes with configure scripts and makefiles.
[10:09] <favro> no need to compile it is in the universe repo
[10:09] <favro> !repo
[10:09] <iMax> uhh, smart bot :)
[10:10] <wormsxulla> !botsnack
[10:10] <wormsxulla> :)
[10:11] <iMax> hehe
[10:47] <BBWonder> oi channel
[10:47] <knome> !hi
[10:50] <favro> oi oi oi aussie aussie aussie
[10:54] <BBWonder> hehe
[10:55] <BBWonder> I'm Dutch, we say "hoi" - same thing
[10:57] <favro> BBWonder: need to ask about sumthin'?
[10:58] <BBWonder> yeah my vesa is broken despite having xserver-sorg-video-vesa installed and despite adding the line: *driver "vesa"* to my xorg.conf
[10:58] <BBWonder> I asked Odd-rationale last night but things didin't improve
[10:58] <BBWonder> I have xubuntu 8.10 installled on a new partition
[10:58] <BBWonder> chipset needs Mobility Radeon 9000 drivers
[11:00] <favro> !ati | BBWonder (best I know)
[11:00] <favro> that chip "should" be ok if the new kernel hasn't borked it
[11:02] <BBWonder> I had Ubuntu 8.04 before this and that worked fine
[11:02] <BBWonder> I am looking at the guide now
[11:02] <BBWonder> obuttu is the room bot?
[11:03] <favro> there seems to be an issue with X, the kernel and various drivers for X from todays issues
[11:03] <favro> !bot
[11:03] <favro> !messagethebot
[11:04] <BBWonder> k thanks
[11:06] <favro> np
[11:07] <BBWonder> you nudged me on my way
[11:07] <knome> nudge nudge
[11:12] <chewit> does any one know if Xfce 4.4.3 will be on the Ibex repos soon?
[11:25] <web_knows> eae o/
[11:26] <favro> web_knows: do you need a constanant?
[11:27] <web_knows> favro, always helpful
[11:28] <favro> hehe
[11:29] <favro> I had 4 goes at spelling constanant - still not convinced I spelt it right ...
[11:32] <knome> consonant
[11:33] <favro> that doesn't look right either - but obviously I'm no judge
[11:34] <favro> hehe
[11:34] <knome> that's the correct spelling
[11:34] <favro> thnx knome
[11:34] <knome> np:]
[11:45] <favro> web_knows: did you want to ask something after all?
[11:48] <KLingeN> hi, what version is the best 8.04 or 8.10 xubuntu?
[11:48] <vidd> KLingeN, "better" is in the eye of the beholder
[11:49] <vidd> KLingeN, what are your needs?
[11:49] <vidd> 8.10 is newer, 8.04 will be supported longer
[11:49] <KLingeN> ok
[11:50] <KLingeN> the computer is penrium 3 1200 ghz gfx geforce 3 ti and 256 mb ram
[11:50] <vidd> 8.10 will work on that....
[11:50] <vidd> i recommend the alt install
[11:51] <knome> KLingeN, if you already have a working 8.04 install i suggest you to think whether you want to go adventurous or not
[11:51] <vidd> but you could have a top-of-the-line machine and i'd recommend the alt install =]
[11:51] <KLingeN> i have windows xp pro on my pentrium 3 now
[11:52] <KLingeN> surfing, music and movies that what i wanna do
[11:53] <vidd> KLingeN, are you looking to dual boot, or replace the os?
[11:53] <favro> KLingeN: is it slow? xp?
[11:53] <KLingeN> yeah kind of
[11:54] <KLingeN> my friend use linux and he says that ubuntu 8.04 is better then the new 8.10 .
[11:55] <TheSheep> apples and oranges
[11:55] <vidd> 8.10 has only been "officially released" for a day....
[11:55] <favro> KLingeN: best bet is to try the livecd if you have enough memory - with the older h/ware I would try the 8.04 first - your mate might lend you his
[11:55] <TheSheep> depends on what you will use it for
[11:56] <KLingeN> thesheep movies and music and internet
[11:56] <KLingeN> and diablo 2 and wc3 :P
[11:56] <vidd> KLingeN, for those uses, either version should be fine
[11:56] <KLingeN> ok
[11:57] <vidd> diablo2 will be hard to get working in wine
[11:57] <vidd> and thats assuming your hardware can take it
[11:57] <KLingeN> :(
[11:58] <knome> meh, sounds like one is wanting to cook gourmet meal with a microwave oven
[11:58] <KLingeN> i have crossover on cd :P
[11:58] <vidd> KLingeN, you might want to consider getting more ram
[11:58] <KLingeN> ok
[11:58] <vidd> knome, hehe...yeah
[11:59] <vidd> its difficult to make filet mignon on an easy-bake oven !
[11:59] <knome> :]
[11:59] <knome> or see the world in all it's glory if you're behind *windows*
[11:59] <knome> ;)
[12:02] <vidd> ill be back
[12:02] <knome> ok, i'm front then
[12:02] <favro> who's left?
[12:02] <knome> or right?
[12:02] <knome> or wrong?
[12:03] <favro> who's on third
[12:03] <knome> haha
[12:03] <knome> is left hand the right hand for lefthanders?
[12:03] <knome> if it is, they have two right hands, right?
[12:03] <knome> so why are they called lefthanders?
[12:06] <favro> if the left is right then the right is wrong - do lefties get confused?
[12:06] <knome> sure
[12:08] <knome> and is west really east if you travel far enough?
[12:09] <knome> and when traveling towards west or east fast enough, is that travelling back and forth in time?
[12:09] <MiCKi> my labtop's ram is 256mb, can i use live-cd to install xubuntu??
[12:09] <knome> MiCKi, i'd suggest the alternative cd
[12:10] <favro> if you're travelling west for long enough when do you end up in the east?
[12:10] <favro> has it moved from needing 192mb for the livecd?
[12:10] <knome> and if you travel to west will you be in west and east at the same time?
[12:11] <knome> favro, don't know, but 256 is still quite little
[12:11] <favro> it is - the live cd would be slow but I thought would still work...
[12:12] <favro> and the live cd lets folk check vid drivers etc
[12:26] <vidd> upgrade only nuked one system
[12:26] <favro> one out of...?
[12:27] <vidd> not bad...6 out of seven
[12:27] <favro> well done :)
[12:27] <vidd> seven systems
[12:27] <knome> i have to go
[12:27] <favro> that's good odds
[12:27] <knome> see you after the weekend!
[12:27] <vidd> and i think the nuked system was more hardware failure then software
[12:28] <vidd> but i havent had the time to anylize it fullly yet
[12:28] <favro> bye knome
[12:28] <favro> 'ave a good weekend :)
[12:28] <vidd> l8r Knightlust
[12:28] <knome> i'll try to... going to a camp with 50 teenagers
[12:28] <knome> ;)) ->
[12:28] <vidd> l8r knome
[12:28] <favro> bloody tab completion - I did that too
[12:29] <vidd> hehe
[12:29] <vidd> itchy pinky-finger
[12:30] <vidd> at least none of my working servers failed upgrade
[12:31] <favro> that isimportant
[12:31] <vidd> yes
[12:31] <favro> is important even
[12:59] <Ahtenus> why cant i remove files from my usb-stick? (It says premission denied)
[12:59] <favro> prob mounted read only
[13:00] <Ahtenus> ok how to change that?
[13:00] <JinKazama> lol !  and where im my exaile player now !! :-(
[13:01] <favro> how are you mounting it now? Ahtenus
[13:01] <favro> !lol
[13:01] <Ahtenus> favro: just plugging it in...
[13:01] <JinKazama> sorry ... :)
[13:01] <favro> np
[13:02] <vidd> Ahtenus, can you see the files on the usb-stick in thunar?
[13:03] <Ahtenus> tunar? but i can see the files in the default file viewer
[13:03] <vidd> (or what ever file manager you use)
[13:03] <vidd> ok....in the file browser....right-click the item you wish to delete and choose properties
[13:04] <vidd> who OWNS the file?
[13:04] <vidd> your user account or root?
[13:04] <vidd> (or some other user)
[13:04] <Ahtenus> My user acc
[13:04] <vidd> ok...and what are the file properties?
[13:05] <Ahtenus> ok i think i got it thanks :)
[13:05] <favro> JinKazama: how are you trying to start it?
[13:06]  * favro should point out he doesn't use exaile
[13:07] <JinKazama> from my task list shortcyt
[13:07] <JinKazama> exaile seems to be unninstaled
[13:07] <JinKazama> in Add/Remove sayis that is not installed
[13:08] <JinKazama> when I try to instal again it says that there is error :
[13:08] <JinKazama> Cannot install 'exaile'
[13:08] <JinKazama> This application conflicts with other installed software. To install 'exaile' the conflicting software must be removed first.
[13:08] <JinKazama> Switch to the 'synaptic' package manager to resolve this conflict.
[13:09] <favro> that'll make it hard to start then - sudo apt-get install exaile maybe?
[13:09] <favro> ohh
[13:10] <favro> JinKazama: have you seen in synaptic what it wants to uninstall? - it will give the option to cancel
[13:11] <JinKazama> in sinaptic is not installed too
[13:12] <favro> JinKazama: if you select it to install you can see what it will remove - then cancel that - just to see what the conflict is
[13:12] <JinKazama> ofers me to remove libgpod3-nogtk
[13:14] <favro> well I have no idea what that library does - is that the only thing it wants to remove?
[13:14] <JinKazama> yes
[13:15] <favro> JinKazama: I would take the chance if I wanted exaile  - but that is a choice for you to make...
[13:16] <favro> you could try to install that lib after if you have issues
[13:16] <favro> write the name down
[13:17] <JinKazama> yes :) thank you favro . I will install exaile. the next line after conflict , ofers me to install something similar : libgpod3
[13:17] <favro> sounds fine :)
[13:18] <JinKazama> :)
[13:18] <favro> maybe an updated version
[13:18] <JinKazama> nope :) error again !
[13:18] <knome> -nogtk is probably cli or qt version
[13:19] <favro> knome is wise :)
[13:19] <favro> JinKazama: it would help to know the error...
[13:19] <vidd> JinKazama, try this: remove libgpod3
[13:20] <vidd> see what removing that entails (what else it marks for removal)
[13:20] <JinKazama> I will try to upload skreenshot now ...
[13:20] <JinKazama> just a minute ..
[13:22] <vidd> JinKazama, that library (libgpod3) is for writing to an ipod
[13:22] <knome> vidd is right :P
[13:23] <vidd> chances are , you have several package conflicts
[13:24] <favro> JinKazama: it would help to know the error...
[13:24] <knome> ;)
[13:25] <JinKazama> http://jinkazama.data.bg/Screenshot.png
[13:25] <JinKazama> the error ...
[13:25] <JinKazama> :)
[13:36] <favro> JinKazama: I'm torrenting like mad atm - one min
[13:37] <favro> I time out for that link...
[13:38] <znh> how can I add gnome applets to Xfce panel?
[13:38] <knome> znh, there's a gnome panel applets applet
[13:39] <knome> znh, look at the applet list. with that you can add gnome applets
[13:39] <favro> JinKazama: I can't get to http://jinkazama.data.bg/Screenshot.png
[13:39] <znh> knome, cant find anything named 'gnome' in that list?
[13:39] <znh> Im searching for the brightness one
[13:39] <JinKazama> now I try to upload some else website
[13:39] <favro> k
[13:40] <knome> znh, i'm not on a xubuntu computer right now. please search the list and read the descriptions. there is an applet for using gnome applets.
[13:40] <favro> I even stopped the torrents...
[13:40] <knome> znh, when you install that, you can select which gnome applets to use in *its* configuration
[13:40] <knome> favro, ^ you remember the applet name?
[13:41] <favro> knome: never used it sorry
[13:41] <knome> znh, XfApplet
[13:41] <ablomen> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[13:41] <knome> ablomen, thanks.
[13:42] <ablomen> np :)
[13:42] <JinKazama> here myst be no problem : http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotos9.png
[13:43] <knome> JinKazama, seems like broken dependencies
[13:44] <knome> !dependencies
[13:44] <ablomen> JinKazama, did you install it from getdeb?
[13:45] <JinKazama> exaile or what ?
[13:45] <ablomen> or any other source for that matter
[13:45] <ablomen> yeah exaile
[13:45] <ablomen> *source other then the official repo's
[13:45] <JinKazama> I don't remember. I have instaled exaile before upgrade xubuntu
[13:46] <favro> !find libffi4
[13:46] <ablomen> ok, did you try to remove it? (sudo apt-get remove exaile)
[13:46] <favro> !lag
[13:46] <favro> barstard bot
[13:47] <JinKazama> ablomen: in terminal says : Package exaile is not installed, so not removed
[13:48] <favro> is !find broken?
[13:49] <favro> libffi4 - Foreign Function Interface library runtime - but I use dapper
[13:50] <ablomen> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libffi4
[13:50] <favro> JinKazama: what version are you using? - 8.04 or 8.10 or...
[13:50] <ablomen> no version for .10
[13:50] <favro> so no exaile
[13:51] <JinKazama> today I upgare to 8.10 ... I thing :)
[13:51] <favro> for link
[13:51] <JinKazama> oh... ok :)
[13:51] <favro> * JinKazama
[13:52] <favro> JinKazama: what does exaile do that makes you want it/ - there may be an alternative
[13:53] <favro> s/\//?/
[13:54] <JinKazama> it was good friend ... I spend many - many hours with exaile player :) just that is
[13:54] <favro> I prefer mpg123 for music
[13:54] <JinKazama> ill expect now the new Listen Music Player
[13:55] <vidd> favro, its amorok for gtk
[13:55] <favro> ahh - lots of overhead then
[13:55] <vidd> amarok
[13:56] <favro> I keep spelling amarok with 2 o's as well
[13:56] <vidd> its minus a bunch of amarok's baggage...but yeah..
[13:56] <vidd> it will never find its way onto MY systems
[13:56] <knome> amarok with xfce is way too much overhead, if no other kde apps are used
[13:57] <knome> *+especially
[13:57] <favro> +1 knome
[13:57] <vidd> gxine is perfect....i think totem is bloat! =]
[13:57] <ablomen> rhythmbox \o/
[13:57] <favro> here mpg123 uses 1% cpu
[13:57] <ablomen> rhythmbox 2% :P
[13:58] <knome> depends on the cpu
[13:58] <ablomen> yep sure
[13:58]  * vidd doesnt care about CPU usage
[13:59]  * vidd cares about usability
[14:00] <knome> amarok 1.x series is usable ;)
[14:01] <JinKazama> I have this repository on my list : ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/exaile-devel/ubuntu . if come out new version of Exaile Player may be il get it automatically ??
[14:02] <ablomen> JinKazama, they might already have that package in theyr repo's
[14:02] <ablomen> if they are at least a bit active
[14:03] <favro> but watch out for the dependencies
[14:03] <ablomen> hmm ok doesnt look like they have
[14:04] <knome> ->
[14:04] <ablomen> JinKazama, just download the source and hack out the bit that executes external functions ;)
[14:04] <JinKazama> ok ablomen . just a minute ...
[14:04] <JinKazama> :D
[14:05] <ablomen> lol ;)
[14:09] <ablomen> Package libffi5* intrepid << ah that explains it
[14:10] <favro> !find libffi5
[14:10] <ablomen> hmm but exaile in the universe repos doesnt need any libffi
[14:11] <ablomen> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/exaile << not in the dependencies
[14:11] <ablomen> JinKazama, try removing the ppa repo, update and install exaile
[14:11] <favro> hehe - well done ablomen :)
[14:12] <ablomen> lets hope it actually works :P
[14:36] <PovAdct_w> hmm problem
[14:37] <PovAdct_w> if I run wubi.exe from the xubuntu desktop CD, I get a wizard driving me through *Kubuntu* installation
[14:56] <Eeyore-Jr> lol
[14:57] <knome> PovAdct_w, well you can install with the live cd
[14:58] <MaxFrames> hi. I've upgraded to 8.10 and now I get no sound from the sound card. help!
[15:02] <favro> MaxFrames: in terminal what does   aplay -l   return?
[15:03] <MaxFrames> "no soundcards found" :(
[15:03] <MaxFrames> it worked in 8.04
[15:03] <favro> heh - what about   lspci | grep audio
[15:04] <MaxFrames> it says "Intel Corporation 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)"
[15:05] <favro> prob the new kernel dropping stuff - any return from   lsmod | grep snd   ?
[15:05] <MaxFrames> no, if I type it I get no message
[15:06] <MaxFrames> I dunno what it means anyway
[15:06] <MaxFrames> ;P
[15:06] <favro> go back to 8.04 'till the kernel gets sorted is my recommendation
[15:06] <MaxFrames> how do I go back to 8.04?
[15:07] <favro> reinstall  - but it is only my recommendation - someone else might know a solution
[15:07] <MaxFrames> :((((
[15:07] <MaxFrames> you mean format + reinstall?
[15:07] <knome> !downgrade
[15:08] <MaxFrames> that's horrible
[15:08] <knome> favro, not even modprobe snd?
[15:08] <MaxFrames> this is the 1st time ubuntu seriously lets me down
[15:08] <favro> there's been a few people mention that old h/ware drivers are removed from the kernel in intrepid
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> sometimes upgrading breaks stuff...
[15:09] <Odd-rationale> you should try a clean install of either Intrepid or Hardy.
[15:09] <Odd-rationale> Hardy is LTS, so you can stay with it for another 3 years
[15:10] <knome> but then you don't get the latest packages..
[15:11] <Odd-rationale> sometimes it is the latest packages that breaks the stuff... :P
[15:11] <knome> sure
[15:11] <MaxFrames> there must ne a way to enable the sound card
[15:11] <favro> what good is the latest mp3 player without a sound module
[15:11] <knome> usually it is them
[15:11] <knome> favro, a nice gui? ;)
[15:11] <favro> hehe
[15:13] <MaxFrames> google says ppl with this intel 82801 all have no sound ;(
[15:16] <maestrolinux> hola
[15:16] <maestrolinux> una pregunta
[15:16] <Eeyore-Jr> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/ - xubuntu link is a dead link from here
[15:17] <maestrolinux> Eeyore-Jr, xubuntu update cdrom what???
[15:17] <Eeyore-Jr> iso.torrent
[15:17] <Eeyore-Jr> actually the link from ubuntu download page
[15:17] <maestrolinux> i download cdrom
[15:18] <maestrolinux> cdrecord xbunto.iso
[15:18] <MaxFrames> found this http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=8788db36a2f8c3aad2b92c90b87a9b76&t=958303&page=2
[15:18] <Eeyore-Jr> it's the link on those pages
[15:18] <MaxFrames> it says to modify alsa-base
[15:18] <maestrolinux> upgrade version??
[15:19] <Eeyore-Jr> another mirror, same result
[15:19] <MaxFrames> if I try it says cannot open for writing
[15:19] <MaxFrames> how do i write to alsa-base?
[15:19] <favro> !torrent
[15:19] <Eeyore-Jr> it appears that the xubuntu link, about mid-way down doesn't work
[15:19] <Eeyore-Jr> so getting to an ubuntu mirror from the ubuntu download page is not going to work.  it appears that mythbuntu is the same
[15:24] <MaxFrames> so is this lack of sound problem due to the new kernel?
[15:33] <vidd> can someone recommend a dialer program?
[15:35] <webber> could someone please tell me how to sort out a wireless connection via an adapter connected to my usb port?
[15:38] <webber> i will say again,  could someone please tell me how to sort out a wireless connection via an adapter connected to my usb port?
[15:41] <webber> maybe the forums will prove more usefull.............
[15:43] <MaxFrames> what were the commands to see if the sound card is recognized again?
[15:43] <MaxFrames> lspci what?
[15:45] <MaxFrames> please?
[15:45] <MaxFrames> anybody?
[15:48] <MaxFrames> :(((
[15:52] <MaxFrames> can please somebody help?
[15:57] <vidd> MaxFrames, the command is lspci
[15:58] <MaxFrames> the other command, the one which gave "no device" as result
[15:58] <MaxFrames> lspci says my audio controller is intel 82801aa
[15:58] <vidd> ok....so now we know what card you are using
[15:58] <vidd> and is this a laptop or desktop?
[15:59] <MaxFrames> desktop, a compaq
[15:59] <vidd> you have verified the speakers are plugged in corectly and powered up?
[16:00] <MaxFrames> yes of course
[16:00] <ablomen> MaxFrames, if you run alsamixer, what does it say in the "card:" section?
[16:00] <MaxFrames> upgrade to 8.04 broke audio
[16:01] <MaxFrames> to run alsamixer I just type alsamixer in command prompt?
[16:01] <ablomen> yep
[16:01] <MaxFrames> it gives error and doesnt'run, error is "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[16:02] <MaxFrames> so I can't say what it says in "card:"
[16:02] <MaxFrames> problem is that the card is not recognized
[16:02] <ablomen> hmm ok thats not good
[16:05] <MaxFrames> so....
[16:05] <ablomen> MaxFrames, did you take a look at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=945401&mode=linear
[16:06] <ablomen> last post in particular
[16:09] <MaxFrames> aplay -l says "no soundcards found" so I cannot do anything in alsa-base
[16:13] <MaxFrames> those suggestions don't help because I can't do anything if aplay -l says I have no sound card
[16:13] <MaxFrames> all those suggestions imply that the card is recognized and mine is not
[16:14] <TheSheep> !sound
[16:15] <MaxFrames> been there, done that, still no joy
[16:15] <TheSheep> :(
[16:16] <MaxFrames> this is not an old known problem, it's a new problem introduced with 8.10 which means with kernel 2.6.27
[16:16] <MaxFrames> google => others with different distros but same kernel have the same problem
[16:17] <TheSheep> well then fill a bug report
[16:17] <TheSheep> did you read teh release notes? maybe it's mentioned in there
[16:21] <MaxFrames> what bugs me is that there are plenty of bug reports about this bug from testers of 8.10 pre-releases
[16:21] <MaxFrames> it's like nobody cared about these reports
[16:22] <MaxFrames> "sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel" => "FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found."
[16:22] <MaxFrames> shouldn't that module be loaded? How do I load it?
[16:26] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: that was the command to load it
[16:27] <MaxFrames> so what does it mean "not found"?
[16:28] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: exactly what it says, there is no module by that name
[16:28] <MaxFrames> could this be the problem?
[16:31] <TheSheep> it's snd-hda-intel
[16:32] <MaxFrames> can I install the missing module?
[16:32] <TheSheep> it's there in my installation
[16:32] <TheSheep> try that command again, with - instead of _
[16:33] <MaxFrames> tried
[16:33] <MaxFrames> same result
[16:33] <MaxFrames> same error message even
[16:33] <MaxFrames> "sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel" => "Module snd_hda_intel not found" (notice the "_" instead of "-" in error message)
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> i have a intel 82801CA sound card. i use the snd-intel8x0 kernel moduls... and i'm on .27
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> idk if that helps you any...
[16:35] <Odd-rationale> also try "sudo modprobe snd<tab><tab>" to see if there are any other modules that start with snd
[16:35] <MaxFrames> so I should do what? type "sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0"?
[16:35] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: what does 'uname -r' say for you?
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: is this an upgrade or clean install?
[16:37] <MaxFrames> upgrade from 8.04 (everything worked 100% in 8.04)
[16:38] <aherron> y0
[16:38] <aherron> anyone notice network manager disappearing after the ibex upgrade?
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> The other thing i might try is a clean install of 8.10. Maybe the installer can autodetect your settigs... which might be differnet from hardy.
[16:40] <MaxFrames> uname -r => 2.6.25-2-386
[16:40] <MaxFrames> shouldn't it say 2.6.27??
[16:40] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: did you restart after the upgrade?
[16:40] <MaxFrames> yes, multiple times
[16:40] <aherron> how do i launch network manager from console?
[16:41] <TheSheep> aherron: it doesn't display when you're not connected to any networks
[16:41] <aherron> but right now i am
[16:41] <MaxFrames> when I boot, it says kernel 2.6.25!!!
[16:41] <TheSheep> aherron: or when you have your network card disabled
[16:41] <aherron> plus, its not seeing my wifi
[16:41] <aherron> its connected via cat5 right now
[16:41] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: press esc when booting and select 2.6.27 from teh list
[16:41] <MaxFrames> so I am running the OLD kernel and I am getting no sound...
[16:41] <aherron> but i'm not getting the network icon in the systray and i cant see "Network" in the xfce menu
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> aherron: make sure you have a notification area in your panel
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> aherron: then in a terminal, try "gnome-nm-applet"
[16:42] <aherron> ruh roh
[16:43] <aherron> not found
[16:43] <MaxFrames> if I press esc i do not see kernel 2.6.27
[16:44] <Odd-rationale> aherron: umm. maybe it was "nm-applet"
[16:44] <aherron> hey! there we go
[16:44] <aherron> thanks!
[16:45] <aherron> now why didnt that start with startup? and how would i fix that?
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> aherron: :P i haven't used networkmanager in a long time...
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> aherron: add "nm-applet --sm-disable" to your autostarted applications?
[16:45] <MaxFrames> xubuntu 8.10 is kernel 2.6.27 right???
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> aherron: then you might also want to delete you ~/.cache/sessions/ dir...
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: it should be...
[16:46] <MaxFrames> but I have 2.6.25 how come?
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: no idea... maybe it was a faulty upgrade?
[16:48] <Odd-rationale> aherron: fyi, the --sm-disable is to prevent mutiple instanced of nm-applet
[16:48] <aherron> ok
[16:49] <aherron> where do i add to autostart?
[16:49] <MaxFrames> I've rebooted and now I've lost synergy too :((((
[16:49] <Odd-rationale> aherron: applications --> Settings --> settings manager --> autostarted applications
[16:49] <Odd-rationale> aherron: don't forget to delete ~/.cache/sessions/
[16:50] <aherron> i did
[16:50] <aherron> hmm, i see network manager in my start up, odd that it failed
[16:50] <Odd-rationale> aherron: hmm. it was already there?
[16:50] <aherron> yeah
[16:50] <Odd-rationale> aherron: do you save you sessions on logout?
[16:50] <aherron> only if its set that by default
[16:50] <aherron> i've not explicitely set anything about sessions
[16:51] <Odd-rationale> aherron: try this. delete ~/.cache/sessions/ disbale saved sessions on logout. then logout. and back in... see if nm-applet starts...
[16:51] <aherron> k, trying that now
[16:52] <MaxFrames> 8.10 destroyed everything... I'll have to format... this is the last time I upgrade ubuntu :(
[16:52] <aherron> MaxFrames: just install on top of it
[16:52] <MaxFrames> how?
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: i almost always do clean installs...
[16:52] <aherron> i've upgraded to till i get a usb disk to back up
[16:52] <aherron> then i'm doing a clean of ibex
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: if you have enough disk space to reate a separate /home partition, clean installs is hardly a hassle...
[16:53] <Odd-rationale> yes, but always do backup!
[16:53] <Odd-rationale> (and test your backups...)
[16:54] <MaxFrames> where is autostart list for xfce? synergyc no longer starts :(
[16:55] <Odd-rationale> applications --> Settings --> settings manager --> autostarted applications
[16:56] <aherron> huh, graphics got wiped out
[16:56] <aherron> gotta love glx
[17:01] <aherron> ugh
[17:01] <aherron> man, this real-time kernel is a whole lotta trouble
[17:04] <aherron> new motto
[17:04] <aherron> "Once you go R-T, you can never be free!"
[17:04] <aherron> got my netman in systray now
[17:04] <aherron> thanks Odd-rationale
[17:05] <Odd-rationale> aherron: np
[17:05] <aherron> of course
[17:05] <aherron> when i select a wifi now the whole thing crashes
[17:05] <aherron> well, freezes is more appropriate
[17:13] <vidd> aherron, what wifi card?
[17:19] <aherron> intel i think
[17:19] <aherron> centrino
[17:19] <aherron> its in this T61
[17:19] <aherron> works now
[17:19] <aherron> i rebooted without my cat5 plugged in and it worked just fine
[17:19] <aherron> i'm not about to mess with it right now
[17:19] <aherron> the bar is calling and i'm hungry
[17:21] <aherron> thanks again!
[17:21] <MaxFrames> re... please tell me how do I run stuff (synergy client) before the login screen appears... it worked before
[17:21] <MaxFrames> I forgot what file must be edited to run stuff before xfce login
[17:21] <aherron> peas owt
[17:21] <MaxFrames> xfce config file which controls automatically startup programs?
[17:27] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: applications --> Settings --> settings manager --> autostarted applications
[17:28] <MaxFrames> this starts synergy AFTER logging in
[17:28] <MaxFrames> I need it running BEFORE logging in
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> oh...
[17:36] <vidd> MaxFrames, you do know it only works when X is loaded?
[17:37] <MaxFrames> nope
[17:37] <MaxFrames> it worked before this damned 8.10
[17:37] <MaxFrames> as soon as the logon screen appeared, voila, synergyc was started
[17:37] <vidd> yeah....after X was started
[17:37] <MaxFrames> then I logged on, synergyc was killed, and started again as soon as the desktop appeared
[17:38] <MaxFrames> now it doesnt start anymore at logon screen
[17:38] <vidd> give me a sec....
[17:38] <vidd> i had the same issue
[17:38] <MaxFrames> I recall there were config files that I edited to accomplish this
[17:38] <MaxFrames> forgot which ones
[17:39] <vidd> MaxFrames, im reviewing https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto
[17:40] <MaxFrames> me too
[17:40] <MaxFrames> doesnt mention xfce
[17:40] <vidd> its the same....
[17:40] <MaxFrames> this too
[17:40] <MaxFrames> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/autostart.html
[17:40] <vidd> xubuntu and xubuntu both use GDM
[17:40] <MaxFrames> I'm almost sure this link is what I followed to make it work
[17:40] <MaxFrames> now I'm lost though
[17:41] <MaxFrames> so which are those files according to you?
[17:42] <vidd> MaxFrames, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto#Client%20Configuration there is a section Making it Autostart, Gnome
[17:44] <vidd> MaxFrames, you need to edit /etc/gdm/Init/Default as it was likely overwritten in the update
[17:44] <MaxFrames> OK
[17:45] <MaxFrames> then there are two other files to be modified
[17:45] <MaxFrames> one which tells the synergyc to die right after login
[17:45] <MaxFrames> so to avoid double instance of synergyc
[17:45] <vidd> the other 2 are probably untouched, as they are user files
[17:45] <MaxFrames> the other one to launch it again
[17:46] <vidd> as long as all your scripts have the "/usr/bin/killall synergyc" and the "sleep1" lines in them, there will NEVER be multiple instances
[17:46] <vidd> (its the reason for thier inclusion=])
[17:47] <MaxFrames> let's see... rebooting
[17:49] <MaxFrames> ok
[17:49] <MaxFrames> works
[17:49] <vidd> =]
[17:49] <vidd> simple stuff eh?
[17:49] <MaxFrames> now lets go back to the sound card not working :P
[17:50] <TheSheep> start with getting proper kernel to work
[17:50] <vidd> MaxFrames, sorry...thats outside of my league
[17:50] <MaxFrames> right. is it possible to "correct" the installation without reinstalling? I mean, upgrading just the kernel?
[17:51] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: sure, just finish the upgrade
[17:51] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:53] <MaxFrames> in my case "dist" stands for "distruction" :P
[17:53] <vidd> ah....dont be afraid
[17:53] <vidd> we are here to help
[17:53] <MaxFrames> :)
[17:54] <MaxFrames> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" says I need 0 packages
[17:54] <MaxFrames> and quits
[17:54] <MaxFrames> he thinks Im OK
[17:54] <TheSheep> then you must be ok
[17:55] <MaxFrames> yet I have kernel 2.6.25-2-386
[17:55] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: select the 2.6.27 kernel at boot
[17:55] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: from the menu that appears when you press esc
[17:55] <MaxFrames> it doesn't show in the list
[17:55] <MaxFrames> I press esc, I get a list of kernels, and the most recent is 2.6.25-2
[17:55] <vidd> MaxFrames, which kernel are you using ATM?
[17:55] <MaxFrames> I have kernel 2.6.25-2-386
[17:56] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[17:56] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: what does "lsb_release -a" give you?
[17:56] <MaxFrames> No LSB modules are available. Ubuntu. Ubuntu 8.10. 8.10. Intrepid
[17:57] <MaxFrames> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic => generic or 386?
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> generic, i believe...
[17:59] <MaxFrames> are you running xubuntu 8.10?
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> no..
[17:59] <MaxFrames> what then?
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> archlinux
[18:01] <MaxFrames> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kernel-image-2.6.25-2-386-di
[18:02] <MaxFrames> I'm not sure the kernel is wrong
[18:02] <kthakore2> how do I view network drives in xfce?
[18:02] <kthakore2> network places
[18:02] <TheSheep> kthakore2: windows network?
[18:03] <TheSheep> kthakore2: you have to either install some client, like pyneighbourhood, or use a fuse filesystem for that
[18:03] <kthakore2> TheSheep, yeah ! like nautilus has network places
[18:03] <Odd-rationale> thunar does not (yet) support finding and browsing networks like nautilus
[18:03] <kthakore2> ok
[18:03] <kthakore2> also
[18:03] <kthakore2> when I share a folder using samba in intrepid and I try to access it from winxp home over the network it prompts me for a username and password. What password is this nothing I tried worked?
[18:03] <Odd-rationale> youwill have to mount the network drive
[18:04] <Odd-rationale> manually
[18:04] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[18:04] <kthakore2> I did do that
[18:04] <Odd-rationale> kthakore2: sorry, i was talking about using thunar...
[18:05] <kthakore2> I go add a new network place type in my address like //<IP_ADDRESS>/Public
[18:05] <kthakore2> and it asks me for a username and password
[18:05] <kthakore2> wth?
[18:05] <Odd-rationale> as for samba sharing with windows... i'm not too knowledgeable with that...
[18:05] <Odd-rationale> !samba
[18:05] <MaxFrames> Odd-rationale: if I install it, do you think my sound problem will go away?
[18:05] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: idk... do you have it installed already?
[18:06] <MaxFrames> no
[18:06] <MaxFrames> trying now
[18:06] <MaxFrames> fingers crossed lets hope it does not get worse
[18:07] <MaxFrames> I mean, there must be some reason why it wasnt installed automatically
[18:08] <Odd-rationale> MaxFrames: i still suggest trying a clean install and see if the problem still exists... :P
[18:10] <MaxFrames> rebooting...
[18:12] <MaxFrames> yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:12] <MaxFrames> sound!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:12] <MaxFrames> Odd-rationale you are officially a genius and my new hero
[18:13] <MaxFrames> you too vidd
[18:13] <Odd-rationale> well. that was odd...
[18:14] <Odd-rationale> i think it must have been a faulty upgrade...
[18:14] <MaxFrames> yes
[18:14] <Odd-rationale> i need to boot a livecd and see what kernel they got on it...
[18:14] <MaxFrames> now all seems to work... kernel is up to par, sound works, synergy works :)
[18:14] <Odd-rationale> brb
[18:17] <MaxFrames> thanks again folks, community rocks
[18:17] <vidd> ty
[18:17] <MaxFrames> cya
[18:20] <Odd-rationale> yeah, this livecd i'm on now has the .27 kernel as expected... :|
[18:27] <dissociative> it's a way to change or force a specific display bit depth in livecd mode?
[18:27] <dissociative> is there
[18:30] <vidd> dissociative, you want like 16-bit color?
[18:49] <aherron> computer wont wake from sleep on a lenovo t61 with ibex
[18:53] <aherron> hmm, looks like it might be related to the 177 nvidia driver
[18:53] <aherron> with the quadro 140m
[18:53] <aherron> heads up folks
[19:01] <dissociative> oops sorry
[19:02] <dissociative> did anyone answered to something more to my question aside of viddd
[19:06] <vidd> dissociative, no
[19:07] <dissociative> I think that I'm already using 16 bit color by default
[19:08] <dissociative> I need to test 8-bit and 24-bit bpp display depth
[19:08] <dissociative> for running a game under wine
[19:18] <dissociative> looks like I would need to change the DefaultDepth in xorg.conf but I'm unsure about how to do it correctly while being in livecd mode
[19:25] <dissociative> I'm going to try it, X restart needed
[19:50] <stweston> hello. I'm trying to install a PPC version of Xubuntu, but I'm getting initramfs, which I forgot how to work with. Is anyone willing to help?
[19:50] <stweston> er... I'm at least trying to find out if the disc works.
[19:59] <stweston> my question still stands, if anyone wants to help.
[19:59] <ball> Does your question involve trout?
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> !ppc
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> i soppuse you read that already?
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> suppose*
[20:00] <stweston> no, actually. I don't think I have.
[20:00] <ball> I have some PowerPC boxen
[20:00] <stweston> thanks! I didn't think about that.
[20:01] <Odd-rationale> stweston: i hardly know anything about ubuntu on ppc... so i can't be of much more help...
[20:01] <stweston> Odd-rationale: okay... thanks, though!
[20:02] <stweston> Odd-rationale: do you happen to know if there's a PPC channel?
[20:02] <Odd-rationale> hmm. not that i know of...
[20:02] <stweston> okay.
[20:02] <ball> stweston: probably
[20:02] <ball> brb
[20:02] <favro> #ubuntu-ppc
[20:02] <stweston> okay. thanks, favro!
[20:12] <stweston> so, does anyone know anything about how to work with initramfs?
[20:21] <stweston> !initramfs
[20:21] <stweston> !init
[20:22] <stweston> !ramfs
[20:22] <stweston> !ram
[20:59] <DaveDixonII> If i made a logo from scratch that looked like the Ubuntu logo but dif colors, would that be ok to use with my project?
[21:01] <zoredache> DaveDixonII: this may answer your questions http://www.ubuntulinux.org/aboutus/trademarkpolicy/
[21:05] <DaveDixonII> All i see is that if i modified the original logo. i made one from scratch.
[21:06] <zoredache> IANAL, but I don't believe it matters how your image was created when it comes to trademark.  It only matters that it looks like something that is already trademarked
[21:33] <avihayb> hello. I'm searching for a file search GUI. is there one built into xubuntu? if not, can you recommand a package? I know strigi should do the trick, but I fear it's oriented twards gnome, and the targeted machin is kind of underpowered
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> avihayb: the newest xubuntu has catfish.
[21:33] <avihayb> you mean since 8.10?
[21:33] <Odd-rationale> yes
[21:33] <avihayb> thanks
[21:49] <nikolam> avihayb, you also can use file search inside pcmanfm file manager.
[21:49] <avihayb> I've never saww pcmanfm
[21:49] <avihayb> !pcmanfm
[21:50] <Odd-rationale> !info pcmanfm
[21:50] <avihayb> thenks. I was helping a freind, but I might acctualy do that on my ole laptop
[22:43] <nagelus> Hey, is there a text somewhere about the main differences between xubuntu
[22:43] <nagelus> +? :)
[22:44] <nagelus> or would somebody like to talk about those differences?
[22:45] <favro> main diff between xubuntu and...?
[22:45] <nagelus> ho
[22:45] <nagelus> oh
[22:45] <nagelus> just "ubuntu"
[22:45] <nagelus> the main differences between xubuntu and ubuntu, that is
[22:45] <favro> they use the same base - the desktop environment and some apps are the diff
[22:46] <nagelus> I know ubuntu uses gnome and xubuntu uses xfce
[22:46] <nagelus> but does that affect stuff besides the desktop user interface?
[22:46] <nagelus> i.e. can I use all the same programs on both?
[22:47] <favro> you should be able to do that yes
[22:47] <favro> they both use the same repos
[22:47] <favro> !repo
[23:16] <chickengeorge> *MEGA_SHOK*
[23:22] <Bumphead> is there a way to get quicktime running in firefox in ubuntu?
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> !quicktime
[23:24] <Bumphead> ty
[23:29] <zerothis> my cursor is trapped on my second monitor. previously it resisted going back to the 1st.
[23:34] <gaurdro> any idea why xchat is highlighting just about every nick, even though i don't have any highlights set?