[12:00] <linuxpt2> Hello.
[12:02] <linuxpt2> I spoke to another contrib late last night, user K----- they said to pop by here and speak to sakrecoer
[12:02] <linuxpt2> I just wondered what kind of things this project needs help with the most?
[12:57] <linuxpt2> If anyone can answer my question feel free to reply - I will be away for a few hours but will check this window when I return, many thanks.
[15:09] <linuxpt2> I am back now
[15:16] <eylul> hi linuxpt2, sakrecoer might be around a little later. out of curiosity what was your question?
[15:17] <linuxpt2> i posted it earlier here, let me copy paste it...
[15:17] <linuxpt2> 13:00] <linuxpt2> Hello. [13:02] <linuxpt2> I spoke to another contrib late last night, user K----- they said to pop by here and speak to sakrecoer [13:02] <linuxpt2> I just wondered what kind of things this project needs help with the most? [13:57] <linuxpt2> If anyone can answer my question feel free to reply - I will be away for a few hours but will check this window when I return, many thanks.
[15:19] <linuxpt2> It was krytarik and we have just spoke again here via PM, he did advise me that the mailing list and contrib web pages would be worth reading so I will do that very soon
[15:19] <linuxpt2> and also, he mentioned testing is needed and said the mailing list may provide more of an idea etc
[15:26] <eylul> oh yeah sounds like krytarik covered most of it :)
[15:27] <linuxpt2> Good to know, thanks. I'm just about to see if I can check the mailing list now.
[15:27] <eylul> but yeah I would suggest stay around, in IRC and mailing list. We are a bit in a post release lull but I expect things will pick back up soon! :)
[15:27] <eylul> *nods*
[15:28] <linuxpt2> Yeah I will remain in this irc room for the rest of the day just in case
[15:30] <eylul> linuxpt2, how familiar are you with IRC btw?
[15:30] <linuxpt2> I have used it not too much over the years to be honest, but I can get by ... just about!
[15:32] <linuxpt2> What made you ask?
[15:32] <eylul> linuxpt2: ok, well one thing is if you tag somebody, like I do like this. it will highlight it for the user, useful if they are alt-tabbed. :)
[15:33] <linuxpt2> Ah, thanks!
[15:33] <linuxpt2> I didn't want to harrass anyone directly initially haha
[15:34] <eylul> :D I do forget too, but yeah it is especially useful if the person is not there, but reading the backlog. (a lot of us are using server side logging solutions to keep a backlog) :)
[15:34] <eylul> nah, it is perfectly fine to tag somebody if you are trying to address them.
[15:34] <linuxpt2> Well, this is my first time here so I respect ettiquette
[15:35] <eylul> :)
[15:35] <linuxpt2> I didnt want to shout people as an unknown ;o)
[15:35] <eylul> that's understandable! but just letting you know it is ok.
[15:36] <linuxpt2> Thanks, I will read the ML first but may do it later just in case sakrecoer hasnt appeared or I still have a query
[15:36] <eylul> *nods*
[15:57] <sakrecoer> greetings linuxpt2 ! welcome :)
[15:58] <sakrecoer> hi all!
[15:59] <linuxpt2> Hi there
[15:59]  * eylul silently sits in the room and listens in
[16:00] <linuxpt2> I am just going to check out the mailing lists but generally wanted to ask what kind of things does the project need the most help with - eylul and krytarik mentioned testing is a big thing
[16:01] <sakrecoer> thats great linuxpt2 ! the mailing list is a good starting point. it is sometimes slower than irc, but it has more eyes and allows for backlog in a different way
[16:02] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: what would you be comfortable with doing? like, are you into code or do you prefer things like PR?
[16:04] <linuxpt2> honestly it has been years since i coded and I am aiming to relearn going forward but I think it would be the non coding tasks that would be best for me to tackle
[16:04] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: the team is small and we take any help available. at the same time, packagers is what is hardest to find it seems..
[16:04] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: cool!
[16:04] <linuxpt2> If i can literally do it, i am happy to tackle it
[16:05] <linuxpt2> the only reason i wouldnt try is if i knew it was beyond me
[16:05] <linuxpt2> i did just type a bit about myself in pm to rylul - shall i just copy past that to you in pm so you have an idea?
[16:05] <linuxpt2> eylul i meant
[16:06] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: you can learn a lot here! i'm not very technical, but i've come a long way with a litle help from the team.. long way for me anyway :)
[16:07] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: sure, if you are comfortable with i. ( the channel is logged) i am interested anyways :)
[16:07] <sakrecoer> with *it
[16:07] <linuxpt2> howmuch can you paste in 1 go?
[16:08] <sakrecoer> ah, right...
[16:08] <sakrecoer> you could put it in pastebin and link maybe?
[16:08] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: ^
[16:26] <linuxpt2> back
[16:26] <sakrecoer> maybe to begin with, you could help with documentation?
[16:26] <linuxpt2> i will now wipe that onlinenotepad but you can save it before i do if you want
[16:26] <sakrecoer> that is something that isn't tied to a hardcoded deadline..
[16:27] <sakrecoer> and it can be a fun way to explore the various applications we distribute
[16:27] <sakrecoer> for me, you can wipe it linuxpt2
[16:27] <linuxpt2> i was thnking the project docs myself as i noticed a user gave it 4/10 mentioning how outdated some areas were - is it fair to say that docs are the least liked tassk that needs the most help hen?
[16:29] <sakrecoer> yes, most of what we have is very old..
[16:29] <sakrecoer> i don't know what the deal is with docs...
[16:29] <sakrecoer> i've done very little, i wouldn't say its boring, but its hard to finish somehow...
[16:30] <linuxpt2> haha docs are boring!
[16:30] <linuxpt2> but often people underestimate the value of them
[16:30] <linuxpt2> users always need good supporting info
[16:31] <linuxpt2> i would be happy to work on documentation
[16:31] <linuxpt2> and it would be a likely good fit ofr my condition
[16:31] <sakrecoer> it depends how you do it... i think the main issue is what you underline: its porly rewarded, because people only reflect about the work behind it when they can't gind docs. and generaly that reflexion is limited to: huh! no doc wtf?
[16:32] <linuxpt2> i appreciate products and projects with good docs
[16:32] <sakrecoer> s/gind/find
[16:32] <linuxpt2> my biggest gripe when i first started using linux (ubuntu) about 10 years ago ...was the docs
[16:33] <linuxpt2> often you find coding wizards are never able to quite convey usage of what they make to just normal users
[16:33] <sakrecoer> i,ve been thinking about this quite a lot recently in fact. if we could announce new pieces of docs better, we could gather feedback on it as well..
[16:33] <linuxpt2> it is hard as when you spend all that time making it, you are often slightly blinded to seom things average users would not quite understand - eg as you are dealing with it yourself all the time so get used to it
[16:34] <sakrecoer> yes, that is where more feedback would be usefull
[16:34] <sakrecoer> and also it would make it more rewarding for those writing it.
[16:35] <linuxpt2> ther are some great projects and great products which i use, love and respect the work that went into them a lot...but having said that some of my fave pieces of software are actaully let down by docs that just dont quite convey how to easily use said, great software.
[16:35] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: have you got a launchpad account?
[16:35] <linuxpt2> and for most power users etc docs not being easy to follow isnt too bad
[16:36] <linuxpt2> but for the non power users eg the 90% of ppl - those unclear docs can be the barrier between the software getting widely used and the software being given up on by normal users
[16:36] <linuxpt2> no i dont have a launch pad account yet i will make one soon
[16:37] <sakrecoer> how about picking a piece of software you enjoy, that is distributed in Studio, and begin on some wiki page?
[16:38] <sakrecoer> wiki page for it.. you could begin typing ut localy or however you want, and then once you have an account on launchpad we'll give you access to efit the wiki, linuxpt2 ?
[16:40] <linuxpt2> sure - i will sorting out an install of studio this weekend but can you suggest a software that would be needing a wiki the most ?
[16:40] <sakrecoer> it would be nice to introduce yourself on the ububtustudio-devel mailing list. doesn't need to be detailed cv, just say hello so those who aren't here also can rejoice from you reaching out to help!?
[16:41] <linuxpt2> eg can you direct me to one that needs help the most?
[16:41] <linuxpt2> or do they all equally need wiki help equally generally speaking?
[16:42] <linuxpt2> i will intro myself on there shortly after this convo
[16:42] <sakrecoer> jack and pulse are quite a mistery to many, but another one that would be valuable is how to pull in ububtustudio into another ubuntu flavour and have everything work..
[16:42] <sakrecoer> both these have pages, but they are old..
[16:42] <linuxpt2> cool i am dumping all this into a notepad file locally so i can form a plan
[16:43] <sakrecoer> generaly, any softeÃ¤ware _you_ enjoy and understand diserves your take on its operation being documented.
[16:44] <sakrecoer> you can also look the irc log of this channel, hold on i'l grab it for you
[16:44] <linuxpt2> sounds like a plan - would these areas suit you guys for hel even if my effort is a bit hit and miss initially ? eg contributing in bits and ieces?
[16:44] <linuxpt2> pieces
[16:45] <linuxpt2> for help i meant
[16:45] <sakrecoer> yes :) and you can't really miss. worst case scenario, someone corrects you and you learn something.
[16:46] <linuxpt2> yeah sure ... i've never had much room for an ego and prefer to just always keep learning
[16:46] <linuxpt2> so always happy to be corrected
[16:46] <linuxpt2> and used to it in tech
[16:47] <sakrecoer> best cawe scenario, you learn something from researching to write the docs, then every one learns something, then everyone is happy and gratefull!
[16:47] <linuxpt2> thanks for taking the time now to answer my query etc
[16:47] <linuxpt2> true
[16:48] <sakrecoer> :) thank _you_ for engaging with us!
[16:48] <linuxpt2> i will leave myself in here but will go quiet now - need to see what the mailing list is all about etc and to get a laucnhpad account and do the ML intro etc
[16:48] <linuxpt2> no problem
[16:49] <linuxpt2> i felt quilty reading the project was in need of contribs
[16:49] <linuxpt2> as i always thought ubuntu studio was a great project back when i first found it
[16:49] <linuxpt2> guilty even
[16:50] <linuxpt2> and i want to get back into tech etc and it seems like a great way by helping out on Ubuntu Studio
[16:50] <sakrecoer> don't be affraid to poke arround; you'll come a long way with a lil patience and regard for the humans behind the irc handle
[16:51] <linuxpt2> indeed
[16:52] <sakrecoer> linuxpt2: me personaly, i don't believe stupid questions exist: there are only unanswered questions
[16:52] <sakrecoer> good to have you arround! i look forward to read your work!
[16:52] <linuxpt2> haha while i agree, this will make you wonder.... http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/
[16:53] <linuxpt2> no problem and thanks for having me - i look forward to having no typos haha
[16:54] <sakrecoer> haha! thats why i say 'UNanswered' question.
[16:55] <sakrecoer> answered questions comming back isn't stupid, it cease existing after the 3rd time :D
[16:59]  * sakrecoer moves fingers mysteriously in front of his eyes to illustrate how to make help-vampire magicalky disapear
[17:00] <sakrecoer> this said, i'm very goid at forgetting answers sometime, lol
[17:04] <eylul> if something keeps getting asked, it probably means we should document it on wiki somewhere :P
[17:05] <eylul> but yeah I am cautious about such articles, on one hand, I get what they are referring to, on other hand through...
[17:05] <eylul> I'd rather have people ask too many questions than too few, and feel silently confused, which in my experience, happens much more often in teams
[17:05] <eylul> than the other end
[17:05] <sakrecoer> yes lol, far better than moving fingers mytsteriously in front of eyes!! hahs
[17:06] <sakrecoer> (documenting the answer that is)
[17:06] <eylul> :D
[17:07] <sakrecoer> eylul: and you are so right. not daring to ask is the worst feeling ..
[17:07] <sakrecoer> one of tge worst anyway
[17:07] <eylul> :)
[17:08] <eylul> I know I don't like it.
[17:08] <eylul> and the problem is it keeps people from joining the group
[17:11] <sakrecoer> in that sense articles like that probably can have a hard effect on people with high anticipative timidity..
[17:11] <eylul> *nods*
[17:12] <eylul> that's my concern. calling names, are highly unlikely to stop actual people who does this behavior from doing it (not googling being the root of the problem)
[17:12] <eylul> and much more likely to further intimidate people who are already hesitant, who ARE likely to read it
[17:13]  * sakrecoer nods
[17:14] <sakrecoer> i'm for dinner.. been on full throttle since 8am... so i might get into powersave modecafter that.
[17:14] <sakrecoer> *off
[17:15] <eylul> bon apetit
[17:15] <eylul> :)
[17:15] <eylul> and *hug*
[17:15]  * sakrecoer is euther becoming an old fart or just in pace readaption mode
[17:15] <eylul> its the new job thing
[17:16] <sakrecoer> ye.. :| ... its ok, cause its fun though.... :)
[17:16] <sakrecoer> bye now!
[17:16]  * sakrecoer hugs everyonr
[17:17] <eylul> (also one thing to note is that article refers to users with excessive questions, not so much new volunteers, from what I can tell)
[18:53] <linuxpt2> testing...
[19:31] <sakrecoer> any news about the status with RT? The ticket is awfully quiet, but perhaps krytarik and eylul have heard something from knome?
[19:32] <eylul> we'll probably nag it next week. I am not sure where we ended up.
[19:35] <krytarik> sakrecoer: Nope, not any more that is or isn't on the ticket.
[19:36] <sakrecoer> i will bump it again then...
[19:36] <sakrecoer> about time..


[00:32] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I was the entire Xubuntu testing team for two years
[00:33] <SiDi> wait, what?
[00:33] <SiDi> there is a team made of several people now?
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Hello, SiDi
[00:34] <charlie-tca> got about three people plus myself now
[00:34]  * SiDi thought charlie-tca was a computer cloud's outer world interface with a human communication plugin
[00:34]  * charlie-tca seems to have a real testing team starting
[00:35] <SiDi> nice
[00:35] <SiDi> how many developers are there now on Xubuntu?
[00:35] <charlie-tca> two or three
[00:35] <charlie-tca> three, I think, might be highter
[00:35] <charlie-tca> We are gaining!
[00:35] <SiDi> three who write code? Oo
[00:36] <charlie-tca> well, three who package?
[00:36] <charlie-tca> We just keep trying... :-)
[00:37] <SiDi> okey, thats still a nice improvement :)
[00:37] <micahg> charlie-tca: almost ready, trying to get a USN out
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Okay
[00:47] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm doing alt guided resize install, restart, update, restart with a check of the install wording?
[00:49] <charlie-tca> If you can, that would be great. If you are not comfortable with that, I will do one.
[00:50] <Unit193> I was just putting it all in one line to make sure I got it all!
[00:51] <charlie-tca> looks right to me
[00:51] <Unit193> I had to do a manual resize on a real install
[00:51] <charlie-tca> did it work?
[00:51] <charlie-tca> It counts as a manual partitioning install
[00:55] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, here
[00:56] <charlie-tca> I'm here
[00:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, so you wanted to talk to me about timelines?
[00:56] <charlie-tca> I don't remember...
[00:57] <charlie-tca> what timelines?
[00:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: lightdm
[00:57] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:57] <charlie-tca> when will be able to seed it?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> do we have to build the front-end?
[00:57] <charlie-tca> when will it be ready to try something with css?
[00:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, I need to talk to mr_pouit about that, when he wants to switch, we don't need to build anything to make the switch
[00:58] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around tonight?
[00:58] <micahg> but I have been getting frequent crashes lately
[00:58] <charlie-tca> oh, oh
[00:58] <micahg> I'd almost like to wait until robert_ancell looks at my crash first
[00:58] <charlie-tca> That would not be so good. Is it something Ubuntu is doing to it?
[00:59] <micahg> yeah, I think it's lightdm itself
[00:59] <charlie-tca> oh, it's like 2 am in France. mr_pouit is probably sleeping/resing
[00:59] <charlie-tca> resting
[00:59] <micahg> yeah
[00:59] <micahg> will try him in the morning
[01:00] <charlie-tca> I am ready to toss gdm. It is upgrading to gdm3, right?
[01:00] <micahg> already is gdm3 I think
[01:00] <micahg> oh ,no not yet...
[01:00] <charlie-tca> I see no reason to fight with it again to make it work right for us
[01:00] <charlie-tca> How hard is building the lightdm front going to be?
[01:01] <micahg> yeah, it should drop quite a bit of the oversizedness as well
[01:01] <charlie-tca> Maybe I will take a look, if it isn't in some language I can't figure out
[01:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: idk, there's an example greeter in there, depending on how much customization you want will probably say how hard it'll be
[01:02] <charlie-tca> I want it pretty, I want it be right, I want it to be usable mostly, though
[01:02] <charlie-tca> I solved one of my claws-mail issues. I had a domain expire
[01:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe tomorrow I will try to set up thunderbird.
[01:03] <charlie-tca> I heard it is not as hard as I seem to think it was for me to set up
[01:03] <charlie-tca> As soon as mr_pouit gives us an okay, I am willing to push lightdm in. We can deal with a few crashes in it, can't we?
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Do the crashes block the login?
[01:04] <micahg> no, they just kill X after a certain while :)
[01:04] <micahg> or after a certain action
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Oh, well. Normal stuff
[01:05] <charlie-tca> Are you sure it is lightdm? I got those with natty, a lot, with kernel oops and panics
[01:05] <charlie-tca> Soon as I finish setting this system up, I can add lightDM to it.
[01:05] <micahg> yes, got an apport crash even :)4
[01:06] <Unit193> charlie-tca: It was stable non-xubuntu
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: oh,
[01:06] <charlie-tca> ooops
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: then it can't count, huh?
[01:06] <Unit193> 11.04
[01:06]  * Unit193 is too lazy to read up...
[01:07] <charlie-tca> That's okay.
[01:07] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Would it be helpful to try an alt kernel with it?
[01:07] <charlie-tca> just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we handle it
[01:07] <charlie-tca> with natty?
[01:07] <Unit193> Onririx
[01:07] <Unit193> ...close
[01:08] <charlie-tca> it isn't the kernel doing it, that we know yet
[01:08] <charlie-tca> I haven't had it running long enough to see if it will panic for me.
[01:08] <Unit193> Helpful in general testing...
[01:09] <charlie-tca> just discussing with micahg about getting lightDM in. Seems to be crashing a little for him now, but I told him we *can* handle it
[01:09] <Unit193> Did you see the pastebin? And is LightDM themed?
[01:09] <charlie-tca> what pastebin?
[01:10] <charlie-tca> we can theme lightdm, we get to build a front-end for it specific to Xubuntu.
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I seem to have missed a pastebin. Do you have the url?
[01:10] <Unit193> I'm asking if it's themed at all
[01:10] <Unit193> *yet
[01:10] <charlie-tca> Oh, I don't know. I don't have it running yet
[01:11] <charlie-tca> micahg: Is lightDM got any theme yet?
[01:11] <Unit193> Not asking you to help, just letting you know http://paste.ubuntu.com/620327/
[01:11] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, instead of "themes", there are greeters
[01:12] <micahg> lightdm-greeter-example-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-vala-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-python-gtk, lightdm-greeter-example-qt
[01:13] <charlie-tca> Unit193: that is normal for the development releases. We will be seeing that all through the cycle.
[01:14] <Unit193> charlie-tca: That's my Natty box
[01:14] <charlie-tca> It looks like the answer to themes is a definite sortof
[01:14] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry
[01:14] <Unit193> (I started one week from release)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> The updates will add/remove bytes from the hard drive, so that too is normal. It won't always be the same amounts, though
[01:15] <Unit193> That's not the correct size (And it's hit the same number)
[01:16] <charlie-tca> It's okay. Most of the numbers are just estimates, and depend somewhat on the sector sizes, drive sizes, and file sizes.
[01:17] <charlie-tca> I can't really explain it all, but it is straight in my head. I wouldn't worry about it.
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I got three systems here, and the installed size always comes out different, sometimes by a few gigabytes, due to the way the drives are.
[01:18] <Unit193> It's just really annoying...
[01:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[01:18] <Unit193> That's just running updates...
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I don't read most of the numbers
[01:22] <Unit193> It wouldn't help to test an install with an alt kernel?
[01:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, the lightdm greeters support theming apparently
[01:23] <charlie-tca> Great! so now all we have to do is get started with it :-)
[01:30] <charlie-tca> Now I am more determined to get it in and working
[03:08] <xrdodrx> LightDM can be themed with simple HTML and CSS :)
[03:09] <xrdodrx> It's great, I really want it in the next Ubuntu
[03:09] <xrdodrx> if doable in the schedule, of course
[03:09] <charlie-tca> I don't think I can help getting it into Ubuntu
[03:09] <xrdodrx> oh, xubuntu**
[03:09] <xrdodrx> Sorry, charlie-tca . habit
[03:10] <charlie-tca> we will have it in xubuntu as soon as we can get it added
[03:21] <charlie-tca> Okay, time to see how bad I broke this now.
[07:38] <micahg> hi mr_pouit, are you around?
[08:52] <eee> hello everyone. Does anybody know how to set firewall up?
[08:54] <Unit193> eee: This is the Xubuntu dev channel, questions really only go in the support channel ( #xubuntu )
[08:56] <eee> ok
[10:07] <mr_pouit> micahg: pong (feel free to handle the lightdm switch)
[10:08] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm not a xubuntu-dev, so I can't access the seeds
[10:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: and do you want me to work on the merges as well (I remember just asking about syncs)
[10:12] <mr_pouit> oh, right, send me a mail then, so I don't forget to update the seeds when I'm around my gpg/ssh keys ;-) (this utc+2 evening)
[10:12] <mr_pouit> or maybe it's more straightforward to propose a bzr branch merge on lp?
[10:12] <mr_pouit> you can do what you prefer ;p
[10:13] <mr_pouit> (and maybe you should be in xubuntu-dev already? ;-)
[10:13] <micahg> mr_pouit: I could attempt that if you like, this would be  my first time modifying the seeds
[10:14] <mr_pouit> it's not that difficult, you probably only need to touch /desktop, and s/gdm/lightdm/
[10:16] <mr_pouit> micahg: for the merges, I've reviewed them quickly, let me put that in a wikipage, and after you can choose the ones you want to do (and we can discuss what to sync  or dpkg-vendorify)
[10:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, I have holidays this week, so I probably won't get to much before sunday, I'll propose a merge for the seed now though
[10:21] <micahg> mr_pouit: I'm going to add the GTK example greeter for the moment, that's the one I've been using and seems to have deps that match xfce
[10:27] <micahg> mr_pouit: merge proposed
[10:35] <micahg> and they're jump to gdm 3.0, so the seed change is just in time :)
[10:39] <micahg> mr_pouit: xubuntu-artwork also needs to not recommend xubuntu-gdm-theme or it will get pulled in, can I just upload a new version with that change or is there a branch somewhere
[10:39] <micahg> s/it/gdm/
[10:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup for the merge reviews
[10:46] <mr_pouit> a quick review I did last week, so maybe not completely up to date
[10:48] <mr_pouit> micahg: for xubuntu-artwork, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/oneiric (feel free to completely drop xubuntu-gdm-theme from the package, it's hacky, ugly, and we'll introduce xubuntu-lightdm-theme later I guess)
[10:49] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, thanks, I'll propose a merge for that as well, do you want me to upload based on the merge proposal?
[10:50] <micahg> actually, I'm really tired, so I'll just make the proposal
[10:51] <mr_pouit> lp:~micahg/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.oneiric looks fine, thanks!
[10:51] <micahg> mr_pouit: cool, my first seed change :)
[11:04] <mr_pouit> grbml stupid and slow wiki
[11:04] <mr_pouit> I can't even find the page where are my user prefs
[11:04] <micahg> mr_pouit: BTW, merge proposed for artwork as well, I left the files intact, and just modified debian/*
[11:05] <micahg> mr_pouit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Oneiric/DeltaReviewAndCleanup?action=userprefs
[11:07] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, heading to sleep now, will review your wiki page over the weekend, have a good week!
[11:08] <mr_pouit> aha, the french userprefs page has been spammed, that's why I can't access my prefs ;D
[11:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: thanks, have a good vacation ;-)
[11:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: thanks
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Good morning / Good afternoon
[14:49] <GridCube> good morning
[14:49] <GridCube> cold morning tho
[14:50] <charlie-tca> rainy here
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Now got Oneiric with lightdm running.
[14:50] <GridCube> today my a tecnich from my isp came :D no my internets went from 20kbs to 300kbs
[14:50] <charlie-tca> If I go away, well... it might have crashed :-)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> wOw!
[14:51] <GridCube> XD
[14:51] <charlie-tca> that must be really nice, huh?
[14:51] <GridCube> it should be at 3000kbs thi
[14:51] <GridCube> tho
[14:51] <GridCube> yes i can see youtubes
[14:51] <charlie-tca> can't please some people... ;-)
[14:51] <GridCube> thats a huge success
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I would like to be faster than my average 157kBps here
[14:52] <charlie-tca> and I have to share that with 4 computers
[14:52] <GridCube> he
[14:52] <GridCube> once i live a whole month at 20kbs
[14:52] <charlie-tca> haha
[14:52] <charlie-tca> I been living with something real close to that for a year now
[14:53] <GridCube> gods it was like dialup era
[15:01] <charlie-tca> I know
[16:08] <astraljava> 2011-06-07 18:08:39 (2.68 MB/s) - `100Mnull' saved [104857600]
[16:08] <astraljava> I apoligize, I just had to.
[16:09] <astraljava> apologize*
[16:12] <ablomen> astraljava, 17:51:43 (7.89 MB/s) - `debian-6.0.1a-i386-netinst.iso' saved [198064128/198064128] << amateur :P
[16:12] <astraljava> ablomen: Grrr.
[16:13] <astraljava> So, Unit193 doing the 32-bit tests today?
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Can not change permissions or owner from the GUI in Oneiric
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is related to Users and Groups being broken?
[16:36] <astraljava> Sounds like it, but I can't be sure since I always do that via CLI.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, for anything like changing owner/group/permissions, it requires a restart now
[17:55] <GridCube> i know this might not be something ubuntu does, it sound more like something firefox does, but if you install firefox on windows you get installed, among the embebed browsers a searh on the RAE (Real Academia Española) Dictionary, but if you install firefox on linux you dont get the dictionary unless you particularly install the search plugin
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Sounds like a spanish specific install ?
[17:57] <GridCube> probably
[17:57] <charlie-tca> I think firefox doesn't install any dictionary by default. I don't know why, but it might be worth a bug at mozilla
[17:57] <GridCube> i mean in windows it does
[17:57] <GridCube> but then firefox does not come pre-installed
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe even file a wishlist bug in launchpad for Ubuntu to install a dictionary by default?
[17:58] <GridCube> probably, for the localization rigth
[17:58] <charlie-tca> right. Windows is pretty specific on apps and proprietary everything
[17:58] <GridCube> you choose a language and it downloads the firefox search addon
[17:58] <GridCube> if available of course
[17:59] <GridCube> just saying is something that calls my attention when i install firefox on ubuntu
[17:59] <GridCube> even i do a fresh install
[17:59] <charlie-tca> that's a good wishlist bug for us
[18:00] <charlie-tca> It gets people thinking about why we aren't doing it.
[18:00] <GridCube> :)
[18:00] <GridCube> ok so i add up a wishlist bug
[18:00] <GridCube> (not now, now i have to end my paper, NO DISTRACTIONS)
[18:01] <charlie-tca> karma... :-)
[18:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: firefox uses the system dictionary
[18:05] <charlie-tca> What if you did not install a system dictionary?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> dict is not a default for us, neither is dictd
[18:13] <micahg> charlie-tca: it uses hunspell
[18:27] <GridCube> i'm not talking about the "while you write" dictionary
[18:28] <GridCube> im talking about the search box, the one you can choose to have google or ask or whatever,
[18:28] <GridCube> in a fresh install of ff on windows one of the search engines, is the drae
[18:42] <Unit193> astraljava: Correct
[19:02] <astraljava> Unit193: Cool, I'll kick back and watch the game, then. :D
[19:56] <charlie-tca> micahg: I have lightDM crashing every login now
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: cool :)
[19:58] <micahg> do you have a test case or is it random>
[19:58] <charlie-tca> test case = login
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh wow!, well should mr_pouit not change the seed?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> it is every time, very consistent
[19:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: is this a clean install?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Let's get it in the seed
[19:59] <micahg> k
[19:59] <charlie-tca> no, it is no longer clean
[19:59] <micahg> he said he'll try to do that tonight
[19:59] <charlie-tca> It doesn't seem to affect anything, I just get a crash report each login
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you enable apport to see if you can get a crash that's reportable?
[19:59] <micahg> oh cool
[19:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you file on LP for retrace please? robert_ancell said he'd look at mine today
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Want me to report it next crash, or just report the crash I have in /var/crash
[20:00] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: either should be fine, I didn't have a reproducer, so I reported 2
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I will file one
[20:06] <charlie-tca> The more users we have using lightDM, the better the reports will get and the easier to get things fixed.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> fingers crossed now
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete.
[20:07] <charlie-tca> two minutes and counting
[20:10] <charlie-tca> hm, I don't think something is working
[20:10] <charlie-tca> still hasn't got through to launchpad
[20:12] <Unit193> I'll install it after I'm done "testing"
[20:12] <charlie-tca> micahg: bug 794215 has a coredump attached
[20:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: cool, thanks
[20:15] <charlie-tca> np]
[20:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[20:19] <charlie-tca> reporting issue with users and groups too
[20:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: robert_ancell put out a call for testing, so I think we'll get prompt feedback
[20:20] <charlie-tca> cool
[20:23] <charlie-tca> hm, my day for coredumps
[22:03] <charlie-tca> anyone heard from drc the last few days?
[22:05] <DarkEra> charlie-tca, dunno about today but if i'm not mistaken he was around yesterday and sunday
[22:05] <Unit193> I found the xubuntu-testers on LP, shouldn't they all be testing Xubuntu? :P
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I must have missed him, then. I haven't seen him since about Friday or saturday
[22:06] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, but some will be testing an installed version only, some will test milestones, and some will test periodically
[22:07] <Unit193> Ah, ok!
[22:07] <charlie-tca> and some will not upgrade to oneiric yet, but will be upgrading by alpha3
[22:21] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : nautilus is installing as part of todays Oneiric updates
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Unit193: Oneiric 64bit desktop image fails to install today from the desktop
[22:23] <Unit193> OK! I test 32buit anyway!
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Unit193: 32bit installations work today?
[22:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: awesome :)
[22:23] <charlie-tca> micahg: my thought exactly. It even opens on login!
[22:24] <charlie-tca> at least it is hard to miss :-)
[22:24] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I had some issues with the install I was trying to do (User error) And I don't have the resize option
[22:25] <charlie-tca> You have to have an existing full disk install to get the resize option
[22:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: it's gdm -> gnome-settings-daemon -> nautilus-data -> nautilus
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Can we get gdm replaced by lightDM? (seems like an echo in here)
[22:26] <micahg> charlie-tca: mr_pouit has the merge proposal from me, hopefully he'll be able to get to it tonight
[22:26] <charlie-tca> That would be great!
[22:26] <charlie-tca> thankis
[22:26] <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg
[22:27] <micahg> well, at least the CDs are down a little in size from yesterday
[22:28] <charlie-tca> I don't track sizes so good, either they fit a cd-r or they do not fit a cd-r
[22:29] <micahg> I think we're going to not fit on a cd-r until close to alpha 3
[22:30] <charlie-tca> ouch
[22:30] <micahg> well, let's see how much dropping gdm gets us
[22:30] <charlie-tca> what if we throw out all the languages except english?
[22:30] <micahg> that + s/gdm/lightdm would probably do it, but why bother at this point?
[22:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: are you interested in seeding lightning and having calendar support out of the box in Thunderbird?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> so we an alpha2 that fits a cd, and people will then download and try it?
[22:32] <charlie-tca> A lot of xubuntu users can't do USB installs
[22:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: ah, ok we can try to get it down to 720MB for alpha2, maybe lower
[22:32] <charlie-tca> lightning would be great if we can do it
[22:33] <charlie-tca> 720 don't fit a cd-r
[22:33] <charlie-tca> where do you b
[22:33] <micahg> well, overburning it bies :)
[22:33] <charlie-tca> where do you buy one that size?
[22:33] <micahg> does
[22:33] <micahg> anyways, let's just see where we are at the end of the week
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Last I tried, xfburn said anything bigger than 703 will not be done
[22:34] <charlie-tca> agreed, waiting patiently, sort of
[22:34] <micahg> xfburn needs some help :), but yeah, I think the cutoff that Ubuntu will be enforcing is 703
[22:43] <GridCube> D: i did zsync whit the iso file and it says its updated, but today erlier, when i killed the download, it said that it had a 38% difference D:
[22:43] <GridCube> how do i force a checksum
[22:44] <charlie-tca> zsync does an automatic md5 check
[22:44] <GridCube> yes
[22:44] <GridCube> it said so
[22:45] <charlie-tca> You can do a manual md5 check using
[22:46] <charlie-tca>  md5sum imagename.iso
[22:46] <charlie-tca> grab the md5sum from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[22:47] <charlie-tca> If it says it is correct, you are up to date
[22:51] <GridCube> oh
[22:51] <GridCube> i don't see a md5 for alternate
[22:51] <GridCube> i dont even see an iso for alternate
[22:52] <GridCube> thats why then
[22:52] <GridCube> somehow the alternate iso is not available
[22:53] <charlie-tca> look in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[22:53] <charlie-tca> for the alternate image
[22:54] <GridCube> oh
[22:54] <GridCube> thats correct then
[22:54] <GridCube> :D
[22:59] <charlie-tca> micahg: I think we should install enigmail, too, for those without the knowledge to install it themselves.
[22:59] <charlie-tca> but, we will soon run ourselves in the ground to do that kind of thing
[23:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, it's fine with me, let's see how we're doing on space at the end of the week though :)
[23:03] <Unit193> So I installed another OS just so I could do my test -_-
[23:03] <charlie-tca> exactly, micahg
[23:04] <charlie-tca> take it a day or week at a time
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 64bit desktop installed from cd menu works
[23:36] <charlie-tca> going fight with moinmoin desktop edition and python in oneiric now.


[00:23] <jayferd> ping
[00:25] <jayferd> can anybody help me with an install question?
[00:27] <jayferd> ...anyone?
[00:30] <jayferd> i promise it's interesting
[01:06] <jayferd> okay so here's my situation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/295047/
[01:08] <jayferd> easier-to-read version:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/295055/
[01:12] <jayferd> basically, is it possible to do an install from a partition on the main hdd?
[07:08] <Balsaque> hey pete i'm installing xubuntu
[07:18] <Balsaque> _Pete_ the xubuntu seems to be going right in my dimension...
[07:22] <Balsaque> wow half in at 15 minutes
[07:26] <Balsaque> 95% at 24 minutes...wow
[07:31] <Balsaque> well _Pete_ilike the desktop better-and she went in under22 minutes
[07:47] <_Pete_> Balsaque: ?
[07:47] <Balsaque> i am on 2 puters at once
[07:48] <Balsaque> plus th g4 lapper just installed xubu
[07:48] <Balsaque> but need a fliipin connector to go online
[07:50] <Balsaque> unless i do i lil surgery on this 8200 over here...noticed it has a 10/100 on her
[07:54] <Balsaque> _Pete_ are you on xubuntu jaunty?
[07:59] <_Pete_> Balsaque: not any more
[07:59] <Balsaque> _Pete_what are you using
[07:59] <_Pete_> kde3
[07:59] <_Pete_> = my favourite
[08:00] <Balsaque> never heard of that one?
[08:00] <Balsaque> is that kubuntu
[08:00] <_Pete_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_3
[08:01] <_Pete_> currently kubuntu = kde4
[08:01] <_Pete_> I dont like kde4 at all
[08:03] <Balsaque> cross platform..
[08:03] <Balsaque> so what made you chooes it over the bazillions out there
[08:04] <Balsaque> choose*
[08:04] <_Pete_> simple: it works (as I want)
[08:04] <Balsaque> does it have terminal?
[08:05] <_Pete_> of coz
[08:06] <Balsaque> i saw the big clock on it looked a lil like puppy mixed with vista home premium too me
[08:06] <_Pete_> http://quadcore.homeunix.net/~petria/tmp/kde3.jpg
[08:07] <Balsaque> that was me on there!
[08:07] <Balsaque> i like the system monitor on the side cool
[08:07] <Balsaque> there are so many of these...i cant decide which one ilike
[08:07] <_Pete_> it is gkrellm
[08:08] <_Pete_> .. apt-get install gkrellm
[08:08] <Balsaque> i loaded onw with xp pro sp3, i ubuntu 904 i xubu and 3 more to go
[08:08] <Balsaque> i want all 7 to be different
[08:08] <Balsaque> plus one leopard forgot the g4
[08:09] <Balsaque> then that ole 400mgz i have been usin willget puppy or something really lightweight
[08:09] <Balsaque> it coughs a lil on ubun
[08:12] <Balsaque>  like this linux stuff because i really despise anti virus software and i dont use any on my ubuntu
[08:13] <Balsaque> as i click thru the xubu it really seems just like ubuntu...but if its quicker ill like it better
[08:16] <Balsaque> says intel R   pentium R 4 cpu 2.4ghz    49.2 disk space    496.9 memory (weird numbers-not what my invoice says?)
[08:16] <Balsaque> says xubuntu used up 1.7
[08:17] <Balsaque> hmmm....60gig hd minus 1.7 + 49.2 ???thats some weird math
[08:17] <Balsaque> opps meant 60-1.7=49.2?
[08:18] <Balsaque> how can xubuntu take only 1.7...but drop my disk  space from 60 down to 49.2
[08:25] <_Pete_> what's the point?
[08:25] <_Pete_> just use it if works
[08:25] <_Pete_> wondering (stupid) number is not going to get you anywhere
[08:27] <Balsaque> when you put a OS in a mchine that uses 1.7 of the disk, how do you get down to 49.2....there is no point, i am asking you if you know why, if you don't then i really don't care.
[08:28] <_Pete_> I dont
[08:28] <_Pete_> because of this:
[08:28] <_Pete_> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:28] <_Pete_> /dev/mapper/vg0-root  1.2T  699G  460G  61% /
[08:30] <Balsaque> allelulah
[08:31] <_Pete_> and coz this happens to be raid0 with 4 sata-drivers
[08:31] <_Pete_> it's also fast
[08:33] <Balsaque> well since i can't leave well enoough alone i am going to get real stupid and start taking parts of one computer so i can get this lil xubu on the internet...
[08:33] <_Pete_> good luck
[08:34] <Balsaque> from what i can see you just reach in there grab the flippin ehternet 10/100 and rip er out straight up!
[08:35] <Balsaque> no swrews at all
[08:36] <Balsaque> is out and it didnt break yet
[08:49] <Balsaque> just wont go in the new one dmmmmit
[08:49] <sabat> My WindowManager seems to have disabled itself somehow. and everytime I reboot it runs Krusader.
[08:50] <sabat> I'm not sure what happened here.
[08:50] <sabat> any ideas on how to get my wm back?
[08:56] <Balsaque> i wish i could help you i have no idea what you are talking about
[08:56] <Balsaque> new ti linux myself
[08:59] <Balsaque> done...
[09:10] <homebrewcider> Hi, I'm wondering if someone can help me. I have a server running xubuntu 8.10. It has a 40g HDD, and a 1 TB HDD, which must be formatted in FAT32 (for a PVR). I have it mounted where I want it (media/data) but only root can read/write to it. I would like to get it user RWable. In my main PC I have a FAT32 formatted drive, but the options on fstab don't seem to get the server 1 tb user RWable. Can anyone help please?
[09:30] <Balsaq_Xubu> wow this is really reallly really fast
[09:31] <Balsaq_Xubu> hey _techie_ i just pulled off major flippin surgery-where the heck were ya
[09:32] <Balsaq_Xubu> gues i can wipe out balsaque....hang on
[09:36] <Balsaq_Xubu> this is way too cool...time for a cold one
[09:39] <_Techie_> what did ya do?
[09:40] <_Techie_> dangit, this is why i wish i had my bouncer online
[09:41] <Balsaq_Xubu> i took the ethernet out of the 8200 and tossed it in one of the 8250's because the 8250's only have what looks to be an rj45 plug hole and  i installed xubu and threw it in where the old 400mgz dell was
[09:42] <_Techie_> wait, a standard adsl internet router uses rj45
[09:43] <Balsaq_Xubu> i duuno thats why i took the ethernet out of the 8200 never saw that other type maybe it would of worked looks a lil bigger so i just used a oart that looked like the thing in the back of my old timer
[09:43] <_Pete_> _Techie_: yo
[09:43] <_Techie_> yo pete, howzit
[09:43] <_Pete_> trying to wake up
[09:43] <_Techie_> haha
[09:43] <_Pete_> am here
[09:44] <_Pete_> _Techie_: do you want ircproxy ?
[09:44] <_Techie_> hey bal, can you pastebin me the output of lspci please
[09:44] <_Pete_> I am currently using bitlbee
[09:44] <_Techie_> yeah, i had one set up on my australian server but thats offline while its tranferred
[09:44] <Balsaq_Xubu> no friggen clue howto do it
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> what out put?
[09:45] <_Techie_> all of it
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is it? what for?
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> is that the driver page
[09:45] <_Techie_> it gives me the output of your devices
[09:45] <Balsaq_Xubu> so go to terminal and type  that
[09:46] <_Techie_> yeah
[09:46] <_Techie_> if you want me to get you a command to auto do it i can
[09:46] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is that
[09:46] <Balsaq_Xubu> hang on do i type sudo 1st
[09:47] <_Techie_> lspci | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[09:47] <_Techie_> if it needed sudo i would have asked
[09:47] <_Pete_> _Techie_: cool, your skillz do amaze me :)
[09:48] <_Techie_> lol, i didnt write that command
[09:49] <_Techie_> but i do understand how it works
[09:49] <Balsaq_Xubu> i don't have any skills...
[09:49] <_Techie_> oh yeah, i had a question about bitlbee, is it able to keep 2 users connnected to the same account in sync?
[09:49] <Balsaq_Xubu> ok its ready now tell me what the f it is
[09:50] <_Techie_> lspci lists all pci devices
[09:50] <_Pete_> _Techie_: only tried with one MSN, but I guess yes
[09:51] <_Techie_> the other alternative is ZNC, that comes with the ability to use plugin modules
[09:51] <Balsaq_Xubu> gonna have to instal curl
[09:51] <Balsaq_Xubu> and it tells me how
[09:51] <_Techie_> yeah, sudo apt-get install curl
[09:52] <Balsaq_Xubu> what is it in a nutbag...i mean nut shell
[09:52] <_Techie_> pete, ever done any work with sendmail servers?
[09:52] <_Pete_> _Techie_: no
[09:52] <_Techie_> which part do you want me to explain bal?
[09:53] <Balsaq_Xubu> not everything just what is curl
[09:54] <_Techie_> curl is a way of sending data using GET and POST
[09:54] <Balsaq_Xubu> i mean dont i know my pci's when i put it in there were none except the vi card
[09:54] <_Pete_> _Techie_: you know nc is better?
[09:55] <_Techie_> huh, nc... sorry if i seem to be lacking concentration, im at a mates place watching a movie
[09:55] <_Techie_> what is nc?
[09:55] <_Pete_> wrong move
[09:56] <_Pete_> put them to learn linux instead
[09:56] <_Techie_> they are linux folks
[09:56] <_Techie_> they are the people who got me started
[09:56] <_Pete_> NC(1)                                                              BSD General Commands Manual                                                              NC(1)
[09:56] <_Pete_> NAME nc - arbitrary TCP and UDP connections and listens
[09:56] <_Pete_> man nc
[09:56] <Balsaq_Xubu> this one is ten time 50 times faster than my old timer
[09:56] <_Pete_> very powerfull tool
[09:57] <Balsaq_Xubu> when i called dell they sad it has a good vid card too nvidia
[09:57] <_Techie_> yeah, thats why im getting you to output lspci
[09:57] <_Techie_> coz i reckon you could probably run compiz quite happily
[09:58] <Balsaq_Xubu> what will i do with compiz...hear that name all the time
[09:58] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: you should think otherwise
[09:58] <Balsaq_Xubu> i gotta mess with t for awhile ist i wonder if it will elet me play youtube vids
[09:58] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: like -> what would I like to do=
[09:58] <_Pete_> when you know that
[09:58] <_Pete_> then you can seek best tools for that
[09:59] <Balsaq_Xubu> prfound...thank you Pete!
[09:59] <_Pete_> if you, like you try to, do otherwise around
[09:59] <_Pete_> it's pointless
[09:59] <Balsaq_Xubu> oh i will just figuring some things out here all new
[10:00] <_Pete_> then again, what is your point?
[10:01] <_Techie_> brb
[10:01] <_Pete_> obiviously you have one
[10:02] <Balsaq_Xubu> still not sure what you are asking me but whatever it is i am sure you put a lot of thoought into it
[10:02] <_Pete_> but Balsaq_Xubu can you say what iti is?
[10:02] <Balsaq_Xubu> i don't recall trying to make a point just now
[10:02] <_Pete_> ok
[10:02] <_Pete_> maybe I am trying to be realistic again
[10:03] <_Pete_> but since is part of my job, hard to not do so
[10:05] <Balsaq_Xubu> ok now i see what you mean pete: ist decide what i want the puter to do...then pick out the best downloads
[10:05] <_Pete_> something like that
[10:06] <_Pete_> you should know how to use it
[10:06] <_Pete_> not how it can use you
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> my main goals are: online videos, speed, speed, speed, email , word processing and so far that is it
[10:06] <_Techie_> the second one is already achieved
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> but its so fast now i guess forget the speed
[10:06] <_Pete_> well spoken on computers
[10:06] <_Pete_> best way to achive those is money
[10:06] <Balsaq_Xubu> ive never seen speed like this
[10:07] <Balsaq_Xubu> i returned a quad core w/ 6g ram and vista and it wasnt as fast
[10:07] <Balsaq_Xubu> you'll have to excuse my exuberance
[10:08] <Balsaq_Xubu> this thing is from 2003
[10:09] <_Pete_> you are looking back
[10:09] <_Pete_> I am looking forward
[10:09] <_Pete_> I dont care what was 2003
[10:09] <_Pete_> but are very intresting to see like +5 years from now
[10:10] <_Pete_> are/am
[10:10] <Balsaq_Xubu> i wnt a new one but the new quad vista computer was so cheap it really turned me off maybe you have had better luck with the new ones
[10:10] <Balsaq_Xubu> maybe the i7 will be good
[10:11] <_Pete_> there's no luck needed
[10:11] <_Pete_> only money
[10:11] <_Techie_> or skill
[10:11] <_Pete_> yes
[10:11] <_Pete_> with later you get first
[10:11] <Balsaq_Xubu> pete maybe you can cut me am loan
[10:12] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: no thanks
[10:12] <_Techie_> so pete, what do you actually do for a job anyway?
[10:14] <_Pete_> I code programs for n900
[10:14] <_Techie_> sweet
[10:15] <_Pete_> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/petri-airio/5/960/540
[10:15] <_Pete_> like this
[10:17] <_Techie_> cool
[10:18] <Balsaq_Xubu> Pete are you part of the ubuntu staff
[10:18] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: no
[10:19] <Balsaq_Xubu> you seem to prefer this channel or do you frequent others
[10:19] <_Pete_> as said
[10:19] <_Pete_> I like xfce
[10:20] <_Pete_> but more I like old kde3.xx
[10:20] <_Pete_> but more likely I like my current job
[10:20] <_Pete_> where everything you come with is hitech-very-new
[10:21] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: so your thinking of how to put some old-dated comp to work is quite irrelevant for me
[10:22] <_Techie_> quite relevant to me though, its what i do
[10:22] <Balsaq_Xubu> Pete: you have made that clear so put some earplugs in if i meantion the age of my computer what can i say
[10:23] <Balsaq_Xubu> i like the new ones toobut they kinda lost me there when they just kept growwing the footprint of th OS
[10:23] <_Pete_> I had have access to computers like
[10:23] <_Pete_> 64cpus & many gigas mem
[10:23] <Balsaq_Xubu> its like they want you to but a loaded computer and 3 years later its seem like junk again
[10:24] <_Pete_> but after all
[10:24] <_Pete_> it doesnt really matter
[10:24] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: well that is known fact
[10:25] <Balsaq_Xubu> so you seem so well versed incomputers but when iwas installing a few people came in with soemquestions and i noticed you remained silent
[10:26] <_Pete_> Balsaq_Xubu: it is mostly coz I dont understand your english
[10:32] <Balsaq_Xubu> so Techie did you check shpping rates?
[10:33] <Balsaq_Xubu> BRB
[10:33] <_Techie_> on the whole box it would be killer
[10:38] <_Techie_> welcome back bal
[10:39] <Balsaq> _Techie_  it wont play the online vids says i need flash..wich is best: yum for linux, tar.gz for linux, rpm for linux, deb for ubuntu 8.04+  ??
[10:40] <Balsaq> i suppose i can experimant
[10:41] <_Techie_> you will want the .deb
[10:41] <Balsaq> but i am on xubuntu 904 now
[10:41] <Balsaq> ok thanks doing it
[10:43] <Balsaq> do i want to open   or    save
[10:43] <_Techie_> save
[10:43] <_Techie_> then open it
[10:44] <Balsaq> ok
[10:49] <Balsaq> hmmm wil have to study says dpendency not satisfiable
[10:49] <Balsaq> prolly casue they want 512 ram and even though i have it xubu says i have 496?
[10:49] <Balsaq> i have all the other requirements and more
[10:49] <Balsaq> i am going to put it up to 1g ram soon
[10:49] <Balsaq> maybe 2
[10:50] <Balsaq> either that or they want ubuntu
[10:50] <Balsaq> no biggie ill figure it out
[10:53] <Balsaq> brb
[11:09] <Balsaq> _Techie_it loks like i have to do terminal sudo command i found on adobe...
[11:09] <_Techie_> kk
[11:09] <Balsaq> the about restricted...ever do it
[11:10] <Balsaq> whats the command to make sure there is no flash in here now Techie
[11:10] <Balsaq> frsh install really cant be here huh
[11:10] <_Techie_> if you havent installled flash, then theres no flash
[11:11] <Balsaq> ok and i guess we all assume that the built in choices are not the way too gi huh
[11:11] <Balsaq> gi=go
[11:15] <Balsaq> can you play the vids Techie?
[11:15] <Balsaq> the terminal command from adobe didnt work
[11:21] <Balsaq> _techie_ do you know the terminal command to see what i did  install
[11:27] <janhouse> where do I put xfce themes?
[11:30] <knome> janhouse, ~/.themes or /usr/share/themes
[11:30] <janhouse> thx :)
[11:30] <janhouse> can I use themes from gnome?
[11:34] <knome> depends on if you mean icon themes or window decoration themes
[11:34] <knome> or gtk themes
[11:39] <Balsaq> anyone here know how to instal flash
[11:40] <knome> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ?
[11:41] <Balsaq> thanks knome will try now
[11:44] <Balsaq> says cant find the package
[11:44] <Balsaq> do i need to go insynaptic and find it first knome
[11:45] <Balsaq> or add remove? ill look i guess lost
[11:45] <knome> you have to enable multiverse -repositories
[11:47] <knome> you can do that in for example, synaptic
[11:48] <Balsaq> ok
[11:50] <Balsaq> i just installed xubu and now i see they want me to do the updates,,,this may be why i am having trouble?
[11:50] <Balsaq> whaddya think knome
[11:51] <Balsaq> may as well take em and then see what happens
[12:03] <nic1> hello..does xubuntu support skype?
[12:03] <_Techie_> yes, there is a version available
[12:03] <nic1> _Techie_, can you please tel me that version?
[12:04] <nic1> i am trying to install but getting stuck with errors
[12:04] <_Techie_> do you want 32bit or 64bit?
[12:05] <_Techie_> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-32 for 32bit
[12:05] <_Techie_> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-64 for 64bit
[12:06] <nic1> 32 bit
[12:07] <_Techie_> then the first link is for you
[12:08] <nic1> i downloaded it, wen i tried to install, it tells check the permissions
[12:09] <_Techie_> when installing applications you need to use your sudo password
[12:09] <nic1>  i dint install with apt-get right?
[12:09] <_Techie_> nope
[12:09] <nic1> i am actually using xfce session, not xdesktop exactly
[12:10] <_Techie_> doesnt make a difference
[12:10] <nic1> kind of confused, can yu please tel me lil clear
[12:10] <nic1> ok
[12:10] <_Techie_> follow this link http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-32
[12:10] <_Techie_> it will ask you if you want to save a file
[12:10] <_Techie_> save it
[12:10] <_Techie_> run that file
[12:11] <nic1> i saved it, when i tried to run install the package i am getting error
[12:11] <_Techie_> what error
[12:11] <nic1> package might be corrupted or you do not have permissions
[12:12] <_Techie_> it should prompt you for your password for sudo
[12:12] <nic1> i am not getting you
[12:13] <_Techie_> okay, other alternative... im not sure on syntax but try
[12:13] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get install /path/to/file
[12:13] <nic1> both are different right? install the package is through GUI, and the other one is in the terminal..
[12:13] <nic1> ok
[12:14] <nic1> sudo apt-get install /home/username/skype-ubuntu-intrepid_<IP_ADDRESS>-1_i386.deb , i ran this, file exists inthat location, but it tells package does not exist
[12:15] <_Techie_> im getting comfused here
[12:15] <_Techie_> confused*
[12:16] <_Techie_> when running from the CLI it says the file does not exist
[12:16] <_Techie_> and when running from GUI, it doesnt ask you for your password and return invalid permissions
[12:16] <nic1> yes
[12:17] <_Techie_> thats wack
[12:17] <_Techie_> my laptop has xfce and even that asks for my password
[12:19] <_Techie_> anyway, i need to get some sleep, its past midnight
[12:23] <janhouse> how can I make xfce's network manager manage my eth0?
[12:23] <janhouse> I have fresh xubuntu install
[12:24] <janhouse> I have to write sudo ifconfig eth0 up and then sudo dhclient to make internet work
[12:24] <_Techie_> it should manage it automatically
[12:24] <janhouse> well, it doesn't
[12:24] <janhouse> xubuntu jaunty
[12:24] <_Techie_> it should appear in the drop down menu on the top bar
[12:24] <janhouse> it doesn't
[12:24] <janhouse> any ideas?
[12:25] <_Techie_> nope, but you could use a script to manage it
[12:28] <_Techie_> anyway, goodnight #xubuntu ill see you in the morning
[12:28] <janhouse> it had something in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:28] <janhouse> I commented it out and will se what happens
[12:29] <janhouse> on gnome you had to do it to make network-manager manage it
[12:29] <Balsaq> ficed it thank youknome plays all the online vids peret and got all the sound on...now i know how to help someone do it...it was the updates holding me back and the that sudo command just forced it
[12:29] <Balsaq> ficed=fixed
[12:29] <knome> Balsaq, okay.
[12:30] <Balsaq> unreal
[12:30] <Balsaq> i gotta master the terminal..the terminal just took control and forced it
[12:31] <Balsaq> knome you are the man....
[12:32] <knome> Balsaq, ;)
[12:32] <knome> Balsaq, thanks
[12:32] <Balsaq> i owe you
[12:35] <Balsaq> where can i buy the book of terminal commands?
[12:35] <Balsaq> we have barnes and noble here
[12:36] <knome> Balsaq, i suppose you could get some *really* cheap ones from amazon.*
[12:36] <Balsaq> well for this i would spend the xtra bucks if i knew there was a book that really covered it well
[12:37] <knome> well, tbh, the best way is to read from internet
[12:37] <knome> manual pages etc. cover the commands really well, and they could change from time to time
[12:37] <Balsaq> ok, i could print the pages and make my own
[12:37] <Balsaq> i really want to nail it
[12:37] <Balsaq> when i typed that non free thing the thing just lit up
[12:38] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/Linux-System-Commands-Patrick-Volkerding/dp/0764546694/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255779471&sr=1-19
[12:38] <knome> "24 used from $0.35"
[12:40] <Balsaq> wow ill have to see which one includes all of it
[12:40] <knome> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=ubuntu+command+line&x=0&y=0 <- these also
[12:40] <Balsaq> id do a used if it had all of it of course maybe the write up new ones all the time
[12:40] <knome> might be a bit more expensive, but they are newer and cover ubuntu, apparently
[12:42] <Balsaq> yeah ill get the good one if it has more
[12:42] <Balsaq> until you master terminal its like drowning
[12:42] <knome> i think the latter will cover *buntu* better
[12:43] <Balsaq> tell me is buntu style linuc considered the best or most modern?
[12:43] <Balsaq> i just started a week or 2 ago
[12:43] <Balsaq> i am hooked
[12:43] <knome> mmh, well it has the lowest learning curve, i think
[12:43] <Balsaq> so its linux for dummies
[12:43] <knome> a bit maybe
[12:43] <knome> ubuntu is based on debian, so they have a lot in common
[12:44] <Balsaq> see i have a puppy linux disc too i am getting ready to learn...that prolly hard vore huh?
[12:45] <Balsaq> prolly have too hook up everything with terminal on that one
[12:49] <knome> well puppy is harder, yeah
[12:49] <knome> lunch, bbl ->
[12:49] <Balsaq> ok thanks again
[13:29] <janhouse> how can I drag shortcuts to programs from menu to panel?
[13:29] <janhouse> seems like it is impossible
[13:32] <knome> janhouse, you can't in xfce
[13:32] <nikolam> janhouse, you can use quicklauncher in panel to star applications
[13:32] <janhouse> ok
[13:32] <janhouse> and where can I manage startup apps?
[13:32] <janhouse> I want to run compiz on startup
[13:32] <janhouse> and skype
[13:32] <nikolam> right click on lanel, you can add launcher for bigger icon
[13:34] <nikolam> you could put them on .bashrc file in home dir Or open settings manager and select autostarted applications
[13:35] <nikolam> then click add and add them janhouse
[13:38] <janhouse> cool, thx :)
[13:38] <janhouse> Can I enable compiz in settings manager?
[13:38] <janhouse> or I have to run compiz --replace
[13:40] <janhouse> and is there some task manager like on gnome where I can see what programs are running and have options to kill them
[13:40] <janhouse> with gui
[13:41] <nikolam> janhouse, you can continue to use system monitor from gnome
[13:41] <janhouse> ok, thx
[13:42] <nikolam> as a metter a fact, with using xfapplet xfce applet, you can also continue to use even gnome applets inside xfce
[13:42] <nikolam> package is named gnome-system monitor
[13:43] <nikolam> as here with me, compositing is turned on in settings manager> window manager tweaks> compositor
[13:43] <janhouse> wait
[13:43] <janhouse> how can I add gnome panel applets to xfce panel?
[13:43] <nikolam> after that you turn compiz on (i don`t turn it on regular basis so I would need to look for that)
[13:44] <nikolam> you just add xfapplet applet to xfce panel
[13:44] <nikolam> and from there you just choose installed gnome applets :)
[13:44] <nikolam> (previously installed with synaptic, of course)
[13:50] <janhouse> nikolam, window manager tweaks is empty for me
[13:52] <nikolam> janhouse, what version you installed?
[13:52] <nikolam> of xubuntu?
[13:53] <janhouse> jaunty
[14:02] <nikolam> i am on hardy 8.04/LTS
[14:04] <nikolam> janhouse, we have great wiki, btw, wiki.ubuntu.com
[14:04] <nikolam> also ubuntuforums.com is plce fith tons of answers :)
[14:05] <nikolam> ubuntuforums.org , sorry :)
[15:12] <skavicious> Hello guys!
[15:13] <skavicious> HOlaaaaa! hellooo! how are ya!?
[15:18] <nikolam> skavicious, nice, and you? :)
[15:22] <janhouse> ok, great
[15:22] <janhouse> now it works good enough
[15:22] <janhouse> only sad thing is that xfce main menu is kind of slow
[15:23] <janhouse> it should keep the contents of it in ram or something
[15:23] <janhouse> on machine with 254mb ram and pentium 4 processor it is kind of slow
[15:24] <nikolam> janhouse, i know, menu is slow a bit
[15:25] <nikolam> janhouse, also it was leaking memory in previous versiond, i think now that is fixed
[15:25] <nikolam> janhouse, check out its memory usage after few days of uptime with no logout
[15:26] <nikolam> janhouse, i think you can set that application menu is invoked with right click on desktop, that way it is there only when needed etc
[15:26] <likemindead> RAM's cheap. I'd up the RAM to _at least_ 512MB, janhouse.
[15:26] <janhouse> it is not my computer. I am installing it for friends.
[15:27] <janhouse> yes, I will tell them to buy more ram.
[15:27] <nikolam> yes, more cheap ram is best upgrade
[15:27] <janhouse> Some time ago I used pentium 2 computer with slackware and xfce
[15:27] <janhouse> had ~128mb ram
[15:28] <janhouse> it was sooo slow but I had fun learning to use linux :)
[15:29] <janhouse> this year I got rid of MS WIndows. Feel happy now :D
[15:31] <likemindead> I haven't used Windoze /at all/ in 2+ years now. :-)
[15:47] <baudsmk> I just installed Xubuntu Karmic and many of the applications dont work. For example, users-admin
[15:47] <baudsmk> I get the error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[15:47] <baudsmk> @baudsmoke:/usr/bin$ users-admin
[15:47] <baudsmk> No protocol specified
[15:47] <baudsmk> (users-admin:3015): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0
[15:50] <likemindead> I'm sure it'll be sorted out by Oct 29th, baudsmk, when the official final release is.
[15:50] <likemindead> Did you submint a bug report?
[15:50] <likemindead> !bug
[15:52] <baudsmk> If I have Windows XP and Xubuntu installed on the same hard disk but different partitions can Xubuntu access the Windows XP partition?
[15:55] <baudsmk> nm, I figured it out
[15:55] <baudsmk> sudo mount /dev/sda1 ./test
[15:56] <likemindead> !ntfs
[15:58] <baudsmk> I would like to access my cell phone via USB
[15:58] <baudsmk> it has a FAT file system
[16:00] <baudsmk> !NTFS-3g
[16:04] <baudsmk> Nothing in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ works
[16:16] <mhall119> I need some XFCE help
[16:16] <mhall119> is anyone in here familiar with the way Xubuntu starts XFCE?
[16:20] <Arty> Hi
[16:20] <Arty> I installed XFCE on my Ubuntu a few months ag
[16:20] <Arty> and it screwed up my login screen
[16:20] <Arty> now in login preferences, I can't change the theme of the login screen
[16:21] <Arty> does anybody know what is wrong?
[16:21] <Arty> The option to change the theme isn't there.
[16:21] <baudsmk> I am guessing something with gdm
[16:21] <Arty> It's not in gdmsetup
[16:22] <Arty> it's -supposed- to be apparently, but now it isn't
[16:22] <mhall119> is the option there, just disabled?
[16:22] <Arty> Well
[16:22] <Arty> In the window "Login Window Preferences"
[16:22] <Arty> and I click on the "Local" tab
[16:23] <Arty> and there's nothing about themes, but in the screenshots I see they are.
[16:23] <Arty> it's just Style, Background, Behaviour, logo, Menu Bar, and Welcome Message
[16:24] <Arty> nothing else.
[16:24] <Arty> Oh, nevermind
[16:24] <Arty> Figured it out, feel so stupid now
[16:25] <Arty> it's because i had the "Plain" style selected, not the "Themed" style
[16:29] <sco> hello?
[16:29] <baudsmk> hello
[16:29] <sco> hi
[16:29] <sco> i am a new xubuntu user. i came here for help
[16:30] <baudsmk> ok.
[16:30] <sco> i have installed the latest xubuntu stable version on my laptop
[16:31] <sco> all the hardware seems to be supported, but my volume wheel does not control the volume
[16:31] <sco> my laptop is a toshiba satellite a300
[16:31] <baudsmk> Your volume wheel needs software
[16:31] <baudsmk> give me a minute
[16:31] <sco> thank you
[16:40] <sco> are you still here, baudsmk?
[16:40] <baudsmk> YES
[16:40] <baudsmk> sorry, I thought you were in a diff channel
[16:40] <baudsmk> lol
[16:41] <sco> no worries. what can i do to fix this problem?
[16:42] <baudsmk> it will require some searching around on the web for the hot key support. Does your mute button work? ...other keys?
[16:42] <baudsmk> !bug
[16:43] <sco> according to the keybaord, pressing FN + ESC toggles mute
[16:43] <sco> but when i press it, nothing happens
[16:43] <sco> let me try my other hotkeys
[16:44] <sco> none of my FN hotkeys work
[16:45] <sco> they all work fine in windows. i guess windows came with the right software
[16:45] <baudsmk> some of the hotkeys can be changed. For example I set my Windows_Key+D to show my desktop. That was easy.  I forget the packages to install to do more elaborate shortcut keys
[16:46] <sco> how do i make WIN + D do show desktop? i miss that feature too
[16:47] <sco> right now i'm searching for toshiba linux hotkey support. thanks for your help so far. i guess i just didn't know what to look for
[16:48] <baudsmk> Im looking for it again, hang on
[16:48] <knome> sco, see Application -> Settings -> Keyboard -> Application Shortcuts
[16:48] <baudsmk> settings editor is another place to look
[16:48] <baudsmk> under keyboard-shortcuts
[16:49] <baudsmk> I think they call the Windows Key "<super>"
[16:49] <knome> yes, because the key is not a "windows" key in all keyboards, and imo shouldn't be in any kb
[16:51] <baudsmk> Under Settings --> Window Manager
[16:52] <sco> i am in Settings > Window Manager
[16:52] <sco> in the Keyboard tab there is a line that says "Show Desktop <ctrl><alt>D"
[16:54] <sco> well, i don't know how to changef it to "<super>D", but at least now i know there is another shortcut for it
[16:54] <baudsmk> not in my settings. Must be because I am using Karmic Koala I just installed it
[16:55] <baudsmk> double click it then press the keys you want to change it to
[16:56] <baudsmk> setting the keyboard is confusing
[16:56] <baudsmk> so many choices
[16:56] <baudsmk> too many keyboard tabs in difference places
[16:56] <sco> yeah, lol
[16:56] <sco> double-clicking the option doesn't seem to let me change it
[16:57] <sco> double clicking the line displays a wee window that tells me the mane of the shortcut and the keyboard command, but doesn't let me edit it
[16:58] <sco> it does let me 'clear' the shortcut, though. weird
[16:58] <baudsmk> in that wee window just type
[16:58] <sco> aha!
[16:58] <baudsmk> it is listening for you to set the key combination
[16:58] <sco> okay, it's set to "<super>d" now
[16:58] <sco> thanks, it works
[16:59] <sco> that window is confusing though. maybe it should explain itself better
[16:59] <baudsmk> I noticed even sudo /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-editor doesnt let you edit the settings lol
[16:59] <baudsmk> oh, I can Edit but not Add
[17:00] <sco> about the hotkey problem btw, i found something that might work
[17:00] <sco> some software called FnFX
[17:01] <sco> hasn't been updated since 2004, though
[17:01] <sco> and i have to install it manually, from source :(
[17:01] <baudsmk> did you install the programs hotkeys, hotkey-setup, and/or autokeys in the package manager?
[17:01] <sco> not unless they were preinstalled
[17:02] <baudsmk> install fnfxd from the package manager
[17:03] <sco> is that the one in Applications > System > Synaptic Package Manager?
[17:03] <baudsmk> yes
[17:04] <baudsmk> that is your all-in-one software super wizard with god like power
[17:04] <sco> hahaha
[17:04] <sco> i'm starting to warm to how linux manages its software
[17:05] <sco> windows equivalent of a package manager is only good for removing apps
[17:05] <sco> okay, fnfxd is installed
[17:05] <sco> but my mute key still does not work, or my volume wheel
[17:05] <baudsmk> it uninstalls the software that you must pay for.  Not a good thing or you wouldnt have paid for it
[17:05] <baudsmk> lo
[17:07] <baudsmk> sco, is it working yet?
[17:12] <sco> hello?
[17:13] <baudsmk> hello
[17:13] <baudsmk> I have an idea for you, create a new shortcut key command and when it listens move the volume wheel
[17:13] <sco> lol, my laptop crashed so unceremoniously
[17:14] <sco> the suspend hotkey does work. my laptop suspended, but when i tried to revive it, it froze with a black screen and the music was looping
[17:14] <sco> but apparently not all the hotkeys work. so let's try your new idea
[17:14] <baudsmk> aumix -v -2 works the lower the volume
[17:15] <baudsmk> sudo apt-get install aumix
[17:15] <sco> sweet, every time i type that in the console, the volume lowers itself
[17:15] <sco> i think aumix is already installed
[17:15] <sco> what is the increase volume command?
[17:16] <baudsmk> +2
[17:16] <sco> so -v is for volume and +-n is increment/decrement by n
[17:16] <baudsmk> yah, let me know if that works for you
[17:17] <sco> well, both the commands certainly work, but how do i bind them to something that is simple to use?
[17:17] <sco> what you said earlier?: "I have an idea for you, create a new shortcut key command and when it listens move the volume wheel"
[17:18] <sco> i will try that
[17:19] <baudsmk> after you attempt that I will attempt a sleep mode
[17:19] <sco> okay
[17:19] <baudsmk> I wnat to know if that works for you
[17:19] <sco> i will let you know if the volume wheel thingy works. i do it in the keyboard shortcuts menu item, right?
[17:20] <sco> yay! my volume wheel works now!
[17:20] <sco> thank you
[17:21] <sco> hang on, i am going to write a note for myself to remind how to do this
[17:29] <sco> okay, written up
[17:29] <sco> now you were going to help me set up the sleep button?
[17:42] <sco> thank you for the help i got here. i realise that baudsmk isn't here anymore, but i thank him anyway
[17:44] <sco> bye
[17:54] <rrmm> Does gigolo work for other people in 9.10? Mine will not open a file explorer, it tells me that the protocol is unsupported iirc, sorry not on my laptop right now.
[17:57] <rrmm> bbl on laptop to discuss this issue later :-D
[19:31] <slow-motion> hi
[20:22] <pingo-> hi
[20:46] <kunnu531> Hi, I am new to this channel and I need some help
[20:46] <kunnu531>  I have hardy 8.04 version
[20:46] <kunnu531> and when ever I log into KDE session I get an error client-error-bad-request CUPS server error
[20:47] <kunnu531> And this doesn't happen in Gnome
[20:47] <Sysi> ask #kubuntu
[20:47] <kunnu531> any ideas or suggestions please
[20:47] <kunnu531> ok thank you
[20:47] <Sysi> here we know about xfce
[20:48] <kunnu531> got you if I have any issues with NX can I ping in this channel ?
[20:48] <_Pete_> kunnu531: NX ? what is that?
[20:49] <Sysi> ask here, someone give ansver if anyone are present who know about that
[20:49] <kunnu531> It's an software used for connecting to linux machine from MAC or Windows
[20:50] <kunnu531> It's an Graphical interface
[20:50] <kunnu531> software
[20:50] <_Pete_> so, what is your problem?
[20:50] <kunnu531> I use this software for connecting to my linux machine from windows
[22:01] <nicklas_> yo
[23:09] <Alex001> Hi. I little new to Ubuntu/xubuntu. Could you please tell me the major difference between the two, if both have installed the Compiz-Fusion (which seems quite nice)?
[23:10] <Sysi> i didn't get compiz to work with xfwm, i need to install emerald
[23:10] <slow-motion> n8
[23:11] <Sysi> there are some effects available on xubuntu by default. but if you want compiz and have power to run that, get ubuntu
[23:11] <Alex001> Otherwise? Any super-good-reason too choose xubuntu?
[23:12] <Alex001> compared with ubuntu.
[23:12] <Sysi> if you like xfce, or you have little of RAM
[23:13] <Sysi> i just like xfce, i have gnome and kde also and this is the right for me
[23:14] <baudsmoke> I also use Xubuntu but I tried kde and I dont like it
[23:14] <baudsmoke> and I dont like Dolphin file manager
[23:14] <Alex001> On my wifes computer I installed the 8.04 xubuntu a long time ago. And the other day I just played around - installed compiz, activated hardware acceleration, installed a package with all necessary stuff for flash/sound etc. And I was amazed at not having any problems.
[23:15] <Alex001> So I was thinking about installing Ubuntu/Xubuntu on my machine too. (I have the W2008Srv. right now.)
[23:15] <Sysi> i had compiz but then i noticed it's not nice and put it off
[23:15] <Sysi> opacity is enough for me
[23:15] <Alex001> But. I read somewhere about speedincrease with xubuntu, compared to ubuntu.
[23:15] <Sysi> login is faster
[23:16] <Alex001> So the only difference is the window-manager?
[23:16] <Sysi> but if you're interested, install all desktop enviroments and see which you like the most
[23:16] <baudsmoke> Anyone know of a tool to convert avi to mp4 etc??
[23:17] <Alex001> Sysi: Install all, and then take them away? I don't wan't any rubbish left behind.
[23:17] <Sysi> it's still better than wondering and speculating
[23:18] <Sysi> i can't tell what you like
[23:18] <Alex001> Sysi: "but if you want compiz and have power to run that, get ubuntu". Did you write that because you didn't get compiz to work, or is there another reason?
[23:18] <baudsmoke> I am almost certain xfce will be your choice and 9.10 Karic Koala makes is really nice
[23:19] <baudsmoke> the derivitives are updated more often
[23:19] <Sysi> compix integrates better with gnome
[23:19] <Sysi> and it comes by default
[23:19] <Alex001> Sysi: Ah, okay.
[23:19] <baudsmoke> Xubuntu and Kubuntu have more updates and more bug fixes
[23:20]  * Sysi ♥ xfce
[23:20] <Alex001> baudsmoke: The "derivitives"?
[23:20] <Alex001> hehehe
[23:20] <Alex001> baudsmoke: You mean gnome/kde/etc?
[23:21] <Sysi> everything but gnome?
[23:21] <baudsmoke> I mean Xubuntu and Kubuntu are derivatives of Ubuntu
[23:21] <Alex001> Okay. Seems like 9.10 with xfce in two weeks then.
[23:22] <Alex001> baudsmoke: So they are updated more often? (!)
[23:22] <Alex001> Seems strange
[23:22] <Alex001> .
[23:22] <Sysi> i usually get daily build couple days before
[23:22] <Sysi> there won't be lot of updates still
[23:22] <Alex001> Any other differences? Or good reasons for Xubuntu?
[23:23] <baudsmoke> right. Software updates will come in quicker.  I suppose it is because the Ubuntu people are busy making the main distro
[23:23] <baudsmoke> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives
[23:24] <Sysi> i think it's stupid that xubu and kubu are separated from main distro
[23:24] <Sysi> any other distro don't that
[23:24] <Sysi> * dont do
[23:25] <Sysi> sorry it's bit late here, i'm may not on my sharpest
[23:26] <baudsmoke> no doubt.  I have no blank cdr's but I want to try it out.
[23:27] <Sysi> usb-stick ♥
[23:28] <baudsmoke> I dont have.
[23:28] <baudsmoke> I tryed it install Xubuntu into Windows had it would not let me login with my password.
[23:28] <Sysi> wubi? that's evil
[23:29] <Sysi> lots of problems with that
[23:29] <baudsmoke> I also tried VirtualBox but I removed it I think I just had the video card memory at 4mb, I just have increased it to 30mb
[23:31] <baudsmoke> I'l try again this time In Linux
[23:31] <baudsmoke> I wanted to try FreeBSD
[23:32] <Sysi> i first try even half of hundreds of different linuxes :P
[23:33] <Alex001> Is there any difference in the programs being installed with Xubu?
[23:33] <Sysi> there are some differences
[23:33] <Alex001> If it's two different "companies"/communities doing ubuntu and xubuntu there should be more differences then the w-managers.
[23:34] <Sysi> xchat is by default but rhythmbox is replaced by some listen
[23:34] <Alex001> Or maybe I got the idea of Xubu/ubu wrong?
[23:34] <baudsmoke> and gedit, kedit, and mousepad
[23:34] <Alex001> aha.
[23:34] <Sysi> that's just what i said about nameing
[23:35] <Alex001> Did any of you see the article about the engineer at IBM who made a computer with Ubuntu start in 5 secs.?
[23:35] <Sysi> xubuntu could/should be more lightweight but it's not very much currently
[23:35] <Alex001> Sysi: Naming. Got your point!
[23:35] <Alex001> Ah, ok.
[23:36] <Sysi> bad english exists also..
[23:36] <baudsmoke> I just noticed there is an xedit program and it rocks
[23:36] <Sysi> i often use nano
[23:37] <Alex001> About the 5 sec boot. I was wondering how to really speed up the process. That article didn't say much about how to do it - but then, maybe IBM did some experimenting and doesn't want to tell how to do it.
[23:37] <Sysi> that's about how you measure it
[23:37] <Sysi> i've seen 6secs on bootchart with default ubuntu
[23:37] <baudsmoke> maybe just stripped it to the bones floppy disk size
[23:38] <Alex001> bootchart?
[23:38] <Alex001> Hmm... I understood it was with a w-manager running. I could be wrong.
[23:40] <Alex001> (I once installed a Pentium 4 with Win98. It booted around 30-35 secs. So it should be possible, if one leaves out the "junk". Then, maybe, the "junk" are necessare applications for security and the alike.)
[23:40] <baudsmoke> Windows 95 boots in 5 secs
[23:40] <Alex001> Sysi: Whats bootchart?
[23:41] <Alex001> Hehe. That's really nice!
[23:41] <baudsmoke> I used to run Windows 95 on a 75mhz Pentium 1 with 8-16mb of ram
[23:42] <Sysi> bootchart is program to measure boot time
[23:42] <Sysi> it's on repositories


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