[04:05] <stub> Launchpad going down in 15 mins for the regular updates, which will put the wikis into read only mode. Downtime estimated at 40 mins.
[04:16] <jbailey> Is there anywhere that gives a public version number / release notes / or anything like the Orkut notes or a blog?
[04:16] <jbailey> Someone asked me why launchpad was going down in 8 minutes, and I don't have a good place to point them at.
[04:19] <stub> jbailey: Nothing like that.
[04:19] <jbailey> stub: 'k.  Is there a good place to request such a thing?
[04:20] <jbailey> I've had the question from a few people before (and had it myself, really)
[04:20] <jbailey> And it might be a nice way of tying people into how much work is really going on in LP
[04:20] <stub> Launchpad mailing list or a bug report - we need to work out who maintains it (probably everyone) and how it is distributed (wiki probably)
[04:21] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.
[04:21] <jbailey> I'll sleep on it then file.
[04:23] <stub> jbailey: Describing the target audience would be good too
[04:24] <jbailey> Cool, thanks for the tip.
[07:10] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial]  fti.py code fixes (r2948: Stuart Bishop)
[09:12] <womble> Is soyuz ready for (semi-)public consumption?  I have custom distros I need to manage, and it's Launchpad or roll-my-own scripts
[11:35] <WaterSevenUb> just by curiosity, why the translation templates for dapper are only a few still?
[12:17] <jordi> WaterSevenUb: I'm trying to find out, but carlos is on vacation.
[12:18] <jordi> I'm pondering calling him for a minute.
[12:19] <WaterSevenUb> jordi, thx
[12:20] <sivang> Hola jordi !
[12:21] <jordi> hola sivan!
[12:23] <sivang> jordi: how are you?? how was Xmas?
[12:24] <jordi> xmas is boring
[12:24] <jordi> no vacation
[12:24] <jordi> + I'm ill :|
[12:24] <jordi> gotta go for a min
[12:30] <sivang> poor jordi , I hope you get better soon
[12:32] <WaterSevenUb> jordi, I'm ill too :/
[12:33] <WaterSevenUb> xmas is boring because of the inclination of the earth... too cold for northern countries:)
[12:35] <sivang> yeah, people in .au have xmas in the beach
[12:47] <Mez> sivang - it's freezing here wish i was  in.au
[12:49] <sivang> hehe :)
[01:28] <jordi> hehe
[02:57] <hyperactivecrond> guys, i think that there's a bug in launchpad
[02:57] <jordi> hyperactivecrond: tell us about it!
[02:57] <sivang> hehe
[02:57] <jordi> hyperactivecrond: or better, use malone to report it
[02:58] <sivang> hyperactivecrond: yeah, malone would the right place to put it, can you reproduce it easily everyttime?
[02:59] <hyperactivecrond> i deleted my old account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- ChristopherCmolik as the wikiname) and then created a new account (Christophercmolik).  If i try to login thru the wiki, it says 'wrong password'.
[02:59] <hyperactivecrond> If i login thru launchpad, it works but I can't get to userpreferences, but i can edit pages
[02:59] <hyperactivecrond> the new account has a different email address
[02:59] <hyperactivecrond> i created my new account yesterday
[03:00] <sivang> hyperactivecrond: did you delete your accoint to change email addresses?
[03:00] <hyperactivecrond> yes
[03:00] <hyperactivecrond> i checked "permanently disable this account" on the old one
[03:01] <sivang> hyperactivecrond: ah, you know you could have changed it instead of deleting the old one?
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> :\
[03:01] <sivang> (change the email address, that is)
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> unless... i may have accidently checked it on the new one... maybe i'll just try creating a new one...
[03:02] <hyperactivecrond> _may_
[03:03] <hyperactivecrond> maybe if i change my wikiname
[03:04] <sivang> you could try, but next time - if you want to change your email address , just do it to the existing account. No need to delete and open new accounts for that
[03:04] <hyperactivecrond> ok sivang
[03:07] <hyperactivecrond> i can't change my wikiname. i still can't login to the wiki
[03:07] <hyperactivecrond> and i've made sure that the password is right...
[03:10] <mdke> best to file a bug
[03:10] <hyperactivecrond> mdke: where?
[03:11] <hyperactivecrond> for launchpad is it on the bugzilla site
[03:11] <mdke> no, it is on launchpad
[03:11] <mdke> click "bugs"
[03:12] <hyperactivecrond> ok
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> what should I put for source package name?
[03:16] <hyperactivecrond> If i type 'launchpad' it gives me an error
[03:17] <mdke> you might be in the wrong place then
[03:18] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/bugs/products/launchpad
[03:19] <hyperactivecrond> 6283
[03:19] <hyperactivecrond> ^^ bug #
[03:29] <robsta> hi
[03:30] <robsta> i'd like to use launchpad for managing my toy project "plagiat" (gtk album creation tool for jimmac's O.r.i.g.i.n.a.l photo gallery)
[03:30] <robsta> is there any chance of hosting source too, in baz
[03:30] <robsta> ?
[04:17] <jamesh> hi stub
[04:17] <daf> robsta: our http://www.sourcecontrol.net/ can host baz branches
[04:44] <sivang> hey jamesh, daf , happy new year
[05:21] <daf> hi sivan, happy new year to you too
[05:35] <stub> jamesh: Hi
[05:35] <robsta> daf: is it possible to import projects there or just mirror?
[05:36] <daf> robsta: http://www.sourcecontrol.net/?action=pushaccount
[05:36] <daf> I think that's what you want
[05:37] <daf> I'm not sure if you can eliminate the mirroring aspect completely
[05:37] <daf> but perhaps baz make-archive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would work
[05:38] <daf> hmm, I wonder when sourcecontrol.net will start supporting bzr
[05:42] <robsta> would it work to have the main archive on my local machine, behind NAT?
[05:42] <daf> yes
[05:43] <robsta> cool
[05:43] <daf> the mirror gets updated when you update it by sftp
[05:43] <daf> you can make that happen automatically when you commit
[05:45] <robsta> is sourcecontrol connected to ubuntu somehow?
[05:45] <daf> sourcecontrol is sponsored by Canonical
[05:47] <robsta> thanks daf, will try to get up to speed with baz then
[05:48] <daf> no worries
[06:02] <stub> daf: I believe it does support bzr now, and that you just need to add a branch on a product series.
[06:03] <stub> daf: (But this is just hearsay I've picked up - not actually seen it work)
[06:03] <daf> ah
[06:04] <daf> I expect things will get going once the archive support is setting in


[07:44] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <nigelb> Good Morning dholbach
[07:47] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:47] <nigelb> How's week coming along? :)
[07:56] <dholbach> nigelb, it was a busy week :-)
[07:56] <dholbach> how was yours?
[08:07] <nigelb> dholbach: Same. I'm looking forward to the weekend. And the vacation at the end of the month :-)
[08:07] <nigelb> Is the UDS over?
[08:08] <dholbach> nice... what are you going to do in your vacation
[08:08] <dholbach> yes, it was Tue - Thu
[08:10] <nigelb> Going to Dharamshala. Basically, hiking and walking around the mountains :)
[08:11] <dholbach> nice - I really liked the place :)
[08:11] <dholbach> the atmosphere is really nice and laid-back
[08:12] <nigelb> I'm hoping to leave my computer at home, so it'll be a nice disconnect too.
[08:14] <dholbach> just leave it there
[08:14] <dholbach> you won't need it :)
[08:15] <nigelb> :)
[11:25] <dholbach> lunch time - bbiab
[14:32] <dholbach> dpm, do you ever go to the "landing task force" meetings?
[14:32] <dholbach> dpm, if not, I was wondering if we should make that slot (9:30 UTC - 10 UTC) our standup for the app dev school initiative for the next 3 weeks
[14:42] <popey> dholbach: i go every day
[14:42] <dholbach> popey, ah yes, that's right
[14:42] <popey> dpm doesn't
[14:42] <dholbach> ok... I'll pencil that in then - dpm: let me know if it doesn't suit you :)
[15:28] <dpm> dholbach, that works for me, thanks!
[15:39] <dholbach> dpm, cool
[17:01] <dholbach> I'll call it a day - have a great weekend everyone!
[17:25] <jcastro> jose, hey so I forgot how to use UOA for broadcasting
[19:27] <jose> jcastro: sorry, wasn't here, you use it like a normal account?


[05:35] <poelzi> ohh man. kms is so broken on my radeon
[08:56] <apw> poelzi, on what release
[08:58] <poelzi> apw: 10.10, but i'm running a vanilla kernel. 2.6.36. without kms the desktop is fast, without it's slow like hell
[08:58] <apw> not heard of that i am afraid, but .36 wasn't a release we tested
[08:59] <poelzi> 2.6.37 crashed on my 2 times so i booted back into <IP_ADDRESS> . i have to test if 37 with kms works
[08:59] <poelzi> both times x died and sysctl key did not work eighter except for reboot
[09:00] <poelzi> oh man. i just had to write a very dirty workarround because you can't set a pids task group id even as root :-(
[09:01] <poelzi> now i can't restart ulatencyd without loosing my grouping of processes :-((((
[09:54] <cooloney> apw: hey, andy, i am trying to fix the linux-tools package breakage for ti-omap4
[09:56] <apw> cooloney, yep, that was a the bug that there was no way to instlal the linux-tools-foo package for ti-omap4 right?
[09:56] <cooloney> apw: in debian.ti-omap4/control.stub.in
[09:56] <cooloney> apw: yeah, exactly.
[09:57] <apw> cooloney, the tools work fine if you install the linux-tools-foo package right ?
[09:57] <cooloney> apw: currentlt we got SRCPKGNAME-tools-common and SRCPKGNAME-tools-PKGVER-ABINUM in ti-omap4
[09:58] <cooloney> apw: oh, i manually install the deb package which is linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel.deb
[09:58] <cooloney> apw: SRCPKGNAME = linux-ti-omap4 is not linux
[09:59] <cooloney> apw: so i think i might need to modify that to linux-tools-common and linux-tools-PKGVER-ABINUM
[10:00] <apw> cooloney, i don't think changing those names will help
[10:00] <apw> as the issue is there is no way to ask for them whatever their name
[10:01] <apw> people expect to be able to install linux-tools to get those files for their system
[10:01] <apw> and those map normally to linux-toolss-XXX
[10:01] <apw> however the linux-tools for armel points to the ones built out of the armel architecture builds from the master branch
[10:02] <apw> i think the simplest solution is to add a linux-tools-<flavour> type meta package which points to linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel.deb
[10:02] <cooloney> right.
[10:02] <apw> then at least one can install linux-tools-omap4 and get some tools
[10:02] <apw> and get updates automatically
[10:03] <cooloney> apw: you mean the linux-meta package?
[10:03] <apw> yes in the linux-meta-ti-omap4 package
[10:03] <apw> i can have a look at it later on if you like
[10:03] <apw> it should be pretty easy
[10:04] <cooloney> yeah, i am studying that, but failed find such linux-tools mapping in our natty linux-meta
[10:04] <cooloney> neither master nor ti-omap4
[10:05] <cooloney> so i assume it is not a issue about linux-meta
[10:05] <apw> apw@dm$ cd git2/ubuntu-natty-meta/
[10:05] <apw> apw@dm$ git grep linux-tools
[10:05] <apw> meta-source/debian/changelog:  * Enable linux-tools on armel
[10:05] <apw> meta-source/debian/changelog:  * Add linux-tools meta package
[10:05] <apw> meta-source/debian/control.common:Package: linux-tools
[10:05] <apw> meta-source/debian/control.common:Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-tools-${kernel
[10:05] <apw> cooloney, it is in my linux-meta ...
[10:06] <cooloney> apw: ah, got it. let me checkout that
[10:06] <cooloney> is that public?
[10:08] <apw> cooloney, that is the contents of the public git repo ... that is the source for the meta package
[10:08] <poelzi> ohh man, having a script language to optimize kernel sheduling is really the best idea of the hole project
[10:09] <cking> wish I knew what that meant
[10:09] <poelzi> https://github.com/poelzi/ulatencyd/
[10:11] <apw> every time someone has tried to implement a core key function partly in userspace it has had severe corner cases issues particularly when there is insufficient cpu to run the userspace scheduler
[10:12] <poelzi> apw: it is not a scheduler
[10:12] <poelzi> it is a scheduler optimizer, that is something completly different
[10:12] <apw> "Ulatency is a daemon that controls how the Linux kernel will spend it's
[10:12] <apw> resources on the running processes."
[10:13] <poelzi> yes.
[10:13] <apw> where i come from that is the definition of the role of a scheduler
[10:13] <cooloney> apw: is this one: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-natty-meta.git
[10:13] <apw> cooloney, that is the one for the master branch yes
[10:13] <apw> you need to change the one for your branch
[10:13] <cooloney> apw: thanks a lot, my bad, i always grepping in the ti-omap4 branch
[10:14] <apw> you need to change the ti-omap4 branch one
[10:14] <apw> to include a linux-tools-<flavour> package similar to that one
[10:14] <cooloney> ok, i will try to provide a patch to ti-omap4,
[10:14] <poelzi> apw: i do not schedule, but i "constantly" optimize the parameters of the kernel scheduler. so, the sentence is true
[10:14] <cooloney> got it
[10:14] <cooloney> thx
[10:14] <apw> poelzi, that makes it a scheduler component, part of the scheduler
[10:15] <apw> and if it is necessary to run something to change the way things run, you are in a risky spot for corner cases under load
[10:15] <poelzi> not exactly i would say. the scheduler will never ever wait on the optimizer for a result of some sort. but the optimizer uses the interfaces of the scheduler to adjust him
[10:16] <poelzi> apw: i do work hard on the corner cases. man i fixed the swap of death with it
[10:16] <cooloney> apw: need i post the patch back to maverick?
[10:17] <apw> cooloney, do we really care about maverick for that kernel?
[10:17] <poelzi> and optimization should never be done in kernel, to much heuristics involved
[10:19] <cooloney> apw: yeah, some users are still trying to use linux-tools in ti-omap4 maverick, i believe
[10:22] <apw> cooloney, we have some h/w they can install maverick on somewhere in the world?
[10:23] <cooloney> apw: sure, Panda board is our Maverick release targeting HW.
[10:24] <apw> cooloney, well the rules state, update natty then SRU previous releases
[10:24] <cooloney> apw: got it.
[10:25] <cooloney> apw: about this?
[10:25] <cooloney> Package: linux-tools-ti-omap4
[10:25] <cooloney> Architecture: armel
[10:25] <cooloney> Section: metapackages
[10:25] <cooloney> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, linux-ti-omap4-tools-${kernel-abi-version}
[10:25] <cooloney> Description: Linux kernel versioned Tools This package will always depend on the latest Linux kernel versioned tools available. The Ubuntu patches have been applied.
[10:32] <cking> apw, gpes + SCI: http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/presentations/gpes-and-embedded-controller/EmbeddedControllerAndACPI.odp
[10:33] <apw> cooloney, i suspect its either linux-ti-omap4-tools, or its linux-tools-omap4 (assuming the installed flavour is omap4)
[10:33] <apw> generally things on the right hand end are flavour names, and things on the left end are source package names
[11:14] <cooloney> apw: thx, sorry for the delay, i think linux-tools-omap4 is right
[11:15] <apw> cooloney, i think i do to, then we can consider making that the norm for all flavour
[11:16] <cooloney> ls
[11:16] <cooloney> apw: i found the deb file name is linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel.deb
[11:16] <cooloney> is that right?
[11:17] <apw> the name in the binary seems right yes, as its architecture specific for that branch, ie not flavour specific
[11:17] <apw> but i think the right thing is to make the name flavour specific
[11:17] <apw> just in case it does become flavour specific
[11:18] <cooloney> it's supposed to be linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_armel.deb
[11:19] <apw> the tools are version specific so the binary name should be linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel.deb
[11:19] <cooloney> SRCPKGNAME-tools-PKGVER-ABINUM = linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel ?
[11:19] <apw> yes
[11:20] <apw> well no, its the first bit, linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101, the bit after the _ is the version of the package from changelog the next bit after _ is the architecture
[11:20] <apw> in the dev
[11:20] <apw> so to link to the contents of the deb _filename_ linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101_2.6.35-1101.4_armel.deb you link to a package called  linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101
[11:22] <cooloney> oh, yeah, linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-1101 = linux-ti-omap4-tools-${kernel-abi-version} = SRCPKGNAME-tools-PKGVER-ABINUM
[14:33] <shadeslayer> could someone look at bug 702341 ?
[14:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702341 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "synaptics touchpad does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 416)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702341
[14:34] <shadeslayer> or would this be a #ubuntu-x issue?
[15:40] <tgardner> sconklin, I'm gonna re-upload Hardy LUM to see if I can figure out the lpia build failure. It won't rebuild because it was pocket copied from the c-k-t PPA, and the original package has since been deleted.
[15:41] <sconklin> tgardner: ack
[15:41] <tgardner> I'll just bump the upload number
[15:41] <sconklin> tgardner: there's special magic required to upload to the new ppa
[15:42] <tgardner> Has it changed? I'vev uploaded to c-k-t before
[15:42] <sconklin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence
[15:42] <sconklin> bottom of that page
[15:42] <tgardner> sconklin, yep, I grok that
[15:42] <sconklin> ok
[15:43] <sconklin> I think SteveK said that there's another way to do it, but this works
[15:44] <tgardner> sconklin, yeah, once I have the magic runes correct, I don't really care what they are
[16:09] <JFo> <- food
[16:26] <tgardner> sconklin, bjf : did the c-k-t PPA armel build issues get sorted? we need to remember to revert the meta package carnage if so.
[16:27] <sconklin> tgardner: when we reupload packages tomorrow or monday, the armel builds should complete, then we'll fix the metas
[16:28] <sconklin> Need a complete LSI-11/2 system? http://huntsville.craigslist.org/zip/2167211100.html
[16:41] <tgardner> sconklin, bjf : the no-change Hardy LUM upload appears to have built on lpia this time. I guess it was just a transient failure
[16:52] <bjf> tgardner, good
[16:52] <cking> apw, http://freeworld.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html
[17:21] <jjohansen> so sconklin: basically this is bug#683743 and the best way currently is indeed adding a rule to the profile file, the plan is to add a directory where application can drop their own rule bits, that would automatically get included without modifying the profile but its not done yet
[17:21] <sconklin> ok, thanks. I'll pass that on
[17:34] <tgardner> sconklin, bjf : Hardy LUM has successfully rebuilt. Who does the security pocket copies ?
[17:34] <bjf> tgardner, i usually ping kees
[18:33] <bigon> hi, I'm trying to boot the natty installer (daily build), but it seems that the kernel freeze (back screen just after grub) an idea?
[18:33] <bigon> booting on a machine with uefi mode
[20:04] <LetoThe2nd> hello! i have a board here on which ubuntu names all connected usb memories starting with sda, and puts in the sata stuff afterwards from sdf or sdg, depending on how much is connected. is there a way around this?
[20:05] <LetoThe2nd> (cpu: phenom ii x6, chipset ati sb800
[20:07] <BenC> There probably is, but the best thing is to not use the dynamic naming...use the uuid device nodes for example
[20:08] <LetoThe2nd> yeah, but thats more like a workaroung to me...
[20:16]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:18] <sforshee> smb, you there?
[20:19] <cking> sforshee, it's probably bit late for smb now
[20:20] <cking> way past beer time :-)
[20:20] <sforshee> yeah, i figured, but he's still logged in so I thought I'd check
[22:42] <bryceh> has anyone packaged 2.6.38-rc1 any place so far?  Intel is demurring about looking at our X bugs unless confirmed against the newest upstream gunk.
[22:44] <bjf> bryceh, yes, it's been built but last i heard was borked quite badly
[22:44] <bryceh> bjf, ah ok
[22:44] <bryceh> I will tell them so
[22:44] <RAOF> I saw apw complaining that it didn't boot on any of his 32bit machines, at least.
[22:51] <RAOF> LetoThe2nd: No, a work-around is to try to wrangle a stable naming out of the inherently unstable dynamic naming scheme :)  The UUID *is* the stable naming scheme, so it's what you should use if you need stable naming.
[22:55] <ohsix> mjg59: what am i looking at if gnome-power-manager tends not to know the backlight level, but it often changes appropriately (showing ui from the hard buttons and stuff)


[00:08] <zebastianortis> ( www.freedomainradio.com ) I have a problem, I installed lubuntu and I can't find the necessary keyboard layout configuration settings, namely I need a pan-scandinavian keyboard for icelandic, one that allows me to accent every vowel, how can i get this?
[00:10] <Timo_> what's the website link for?
[00:14] <zebastianortis> the greatest philosophical conversation in the world, giving an understanding of why everything is broken and how you can break free, but I still dont know how to change my keyboard language to icelandic
[00:30] <phillw> zebastianortis: the only way to modify the keyboard layout with a GUI is to install lxkeymap, it's in the Lubuntu PPA for 10.10
[00:31] <zebastianortis> sudo apt-get what?
[00:31]  * phillw phew, that some digging up :)
[00:32] <phillw> have you got the ppa?
[00:32] <zebastianortis> how do i check from the cli
[00:32] <phillw> or even, are you running 10.10?
[00:32] <zebastianortis> yes
[00:33] <szczur> sudo apt-get install lxkeymap
[00:34] <phillw> zebastianortis: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa && sudo apt-get update
[00:34] <phillw> thanks szczur  I was just coming to call you :D
[00:34] <zebastianortis> can you modify that though
[00:34] <zebastianortis> i typed sudo bash and entered my pw at the begining
[00:35] <szczur> phillw, i  won't be helpful today :)
[00:35] <phillw> zebastianortis: lxkeymap is for mapping keyboards :)
[00:35] <szczur> gaah not here
[00:35]  * szczur facepalms
[01:01] <zebastianortis> takka Þér fyrir
[01:02] <zebastianortis> ( / www.schoolsucksproject.com )
[01:02] <zebastianortis> bless
[01:29] <Slurpee> Has anyone ever dealt with BPAV folders?
[01:52] <phillw> !pastebin
[03:11] <ghostnik11> how can i enable quicksearch bar to work in synaptic package manager in lubuntu 10.10 as it is grayed out
[03:15] <phillw> ghostnik11: it was a design decision to disable it by default because or the extra resources it uses
[03:15] <ghostnik11> i got, it sorry about that just had to type: sudo apt-get install apt-xapian-index
[03:16] <phillw> ghostnik11: you may also need sudo apt-get install libept-dev
[03:16] <ghostnik11> phillw: okay will do that right now
[03:17] <phillw> if you just click on the magnifying galss to the right, you can use the inbuilt search.
[03:17] <phillw> *glass*
[03:17] <ghostnik11> phillw: okay, well i am installing right now the libept-dev
[03:18] <ghostnik11> so i should get the quicksearch bar back
[03:18] <phillw> ghostnik11: yeah, you may have to log off and back on for it take effect though.
[03:19] <ghostnik11> phillw: okay, thats cool as long as i get it to work
[03:20] <phillw> ghostnik11: do pop back on and let me know, I'm waiting to write it up on our documents area.
[03:21] <ghostnik11> okay, should i do a full restart to make sure
[03:21] <ghostnik11> or the log out and log back on is good enough
[03:21] <phillw> log off and on should be enough, if that does not work then do a reboot. let me know which one works.
[03:25] <ghostnik11> phillw: it works but it seems like it doesn't when i actually type something in the quick search bar
[03:25] <phillw> ghostnik11: hmmm..... what happens?
[03:26] <ghostnik11> phillw: for ex. in my ubuntu 10.04 when i type something in quicksearch bar in synaptic it eliminates based on the letters in the quick search bar but in lubuntu 10.10 on my dell optiplex gx240 nothing changes, for ex. i typed ftp and i expected to see ftp show up first but nothing changed
[03:27] <phillw> JoeMaverickSett: COME HERE !!!!!!!
[03:28] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: i'm here! :'(
[03:28] <ghostnik11> phillw: the synaptic does blink once and the the mouse cursor changes to the time watch indicating the computer is reading but nothing occurs
[03:28] <ghostnik11> phillw: will test agian right now to see if i get the same result for third time
[03:29] <ghostnik11> phillw: it works,
[03:29] <JoeMaverickSett> ghostnik11: so it's solved now? yes? :D
[03:29] <phillw> ghostnik11: JoeMaverickSett can reset his VNC,
[03:30] <ghostnik11> phillw: i don't get it, after the log out and log back in it didn't work tried 2 then i closed it told you about it and then opened it again and now it works on 3rd and 4th attempt
[03:30] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: i've apt-xapian-index, libept1 and libept-dev if that helps. :D
[03:30] <JoeMaverickSett> ghostnik11: ^
[03:30] <phillw> ghostnik11: it does take up resources, which is why it was disabled by default.
[03:30] <JoeMaverickSett> i never needed to log in log out, just close the synaptic manager and open it agian, it works.
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> ghostnik11: ^
[03:31] <ghostnik11> phillw: well its perfect now, maybe it was because of my network and not the computer the first 2 attempts
[03:31] <JoeMaverickSett> phillw: can i go now? :D
[03:32]  * phillw removes the death sentance from JoeMaverickSett
[03:32]  * JoeMaverickSett *sighs*!
[03:32] <phillw> ghostnik11: I threatened to kill him if his instructions broke your computer :D
[03:33]  * JoeMaverickSett thanks ghostnik11 's computer and lubuntu! ;D
[03:33] <ghostnik11> phillw: i have lubuntu now it can't break, the best thing since the invention of butter and bread
[03:35] <phillw> ghostnik11: pop onto #lubuntu-offtopic  It's just a general chat area
[03:36] <ghostnik11> phillw: okay cool
[03:49] <phillw> !pastebin
[10:00] <head_victim> Is Glenn or Zoltan from the mailing list around at the moment?
[12:55] <llogiq> Can someone give me a hint which Lubuntu 10.04 package contains the alsa headers (as used in lxpanel/src/plugins/volumealsa)?
[12:59] <llogiq> Or where else I can get it?
[14:33] <llogiq> Ah, it seems to be libasound2-dev
[14:39] <bioterror> are u compiling something?
[14:50]  * llogiq compiles lxpanel.
[14:51] <bioterror> install checkinstall
[14:51] <bioterror> before make install
[14:51] <bioterror> it will make a ,deb and use dpkg
[14:51] <llogiq> Also does aqualung play mono only for anyone else? I get sound only on the right headphone, while with mplayer plays in stereo.
[14:53] <llogiq> bioterror, oops, just installed anyway.
[14:53]  * llogiq apt-gets checkinstall.
[14:53] <bioterror> that way you can remove and install it on another etc
[14:54] <bioterror> if u know what i mean
[14:54] <bioterror> if you do make install
[14:54] <bioterror> removing that lxpanel is more difficult
[14:56] <bioterror> away i go, laters
[15:05] <llogiq> Does anyone else here use aqualung?
[16:11] <phillw> !language
[16:19] <llogiq> phillw, that is always a good idea, not only in this channel...
[16:23] <phillw> llogiq: it's available on any channel with a ubot
[16:24] <phillw> but is also covered in our Terms and conditions when you log on here or #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[16:30] <llogiq> phillw, do you listen to audio on Lubuntu? And if so, what program do you use?
[17:41] <NativeAngels> hello
[18:02] <NativeAngels> hello
[18:03] <bioterror> hi
[18:03] <NativeAngels> what is lubuntu like on old hardware
[18:03] <bioterror> depends
[18:04] <bioterror> might be fast, might be the best option
[18:04] <NativeAngels> an old dell latitude
[18:04] <bioterror> what's old dell latitude
[18:04] <bioterror> D600?
[18:04] <NativeAngels> l400
[18:05] <bioterror> Pentium 3
[18:05] <bioterror> go for it
[18:05] <bioterror> it will be fast
[18:07] <NativeAngels> what speed should i burn it at
[18:09] <bioterror> FULL SPEED! ;D
[18:09] <bioterror> faster you burn, faster you get to use lubuntu
[18:09] <bioterror> ;)
[18:10] <NativeAngels> ive tried zenwalk on it but its so long winded
[18:10] <bioterror> you didnt find zen from that walk?
[18:11] <NativeAngels> not quite
[18:11] <bioterror> few zenwalk dev's moved to their own Salix OS project
[18:11] <NativeAngels> i tried that also but the dell dont like it
[18:12] <NativeAngels> ive also looked at pepermintos but again it gets stuck
[18:13] <bioterror> hahaha
[18:13] <bioterror> there's no idea in that
[18:13] <bioterror> mint already has lxde version
[18:13] <bioterror> "but this one is cloude oriented!";D
[18:14] <NativeAngels> lets see it lubuntu detects the wireless card
[18:14] <bioterror> what kind of card you have?
[18:14] <NativeAngels> trendnet
[18:14] <NativeAngels> pimcia
[18:15] <mir1> hi! could someone please point me to the sound configuration in lubuntu?
[18:18] <bioterror> mir1, what's your problem?
[18:20] <mir1> i have no sound
[18:20] <bioterror> what says "lspci"?
[18:21] <mir1> Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X
[18:22] <mir1> and Input device controller: Creative Labs [SB Live! Value] Input device controller (but I haven't tried the microphone yet)
[18:23] <mir1> alsamixer seems to have the card correct (Dell SOund Blaster Live!)
[18:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:26] <bioterror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/658951
[18:27] <mir1> aha
[18:28] <NativeAngels> ok wireless card detected
[18:29] <NativeAngels> now lets see how long for full install
[18:29] <bioterror> Changing two things in the /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf file and then kicking alsa (restart alsa, altho im not sure what kick it really needs alsa-utils restart / alsa-utils reset, try whatever or reboot)
[18:29] <bioterror> defaults.pcm.compat 0
[18:29] <bioterror> defaults.pcm.minperiodtime 5000 # in us
[18:29] <bioterror> remove those two things from that file and kick alsa and things will work again, digital and analog output both work again on my sblive value.
[18:30] <bioterror> Well, I may have been wrong about what fixed what exactly. Just to push the issue further, I added back those config options and rebooted and everything is still working.
[18:30] <bioterror> I can only guess at this point, that it was enough of the alsa-utils reset / alsact store alsa-utils restart that kicked the cards settings back into the right place.
[18:30] <bioterror> interesting :D
[18:31] <mir1> hmmm, done it, but it didn't work, so i'll reboot
[18:31] <mir1> back in a tick!
[18:33] <mir1> jaysus lubuntu is quick to restart
[18:34] <bioterror> yeah
[18:34] <mir1> but still no sound...
[18:34] <mir1> back in a (longer) tick, i'm just going to check windows partition to see if it has sound (maybe someones naffed up the speakers since I last used it)
[18:45] <mir1> bioterror: more pressing problem now: grub's got no windows boot option and there's no /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[18:46] <bioterror> really
[18:46] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-prober
[18:46] <bioterror> sudo os-prober
[18:46] <bioterror> sudo grub-update
[18:47] <mir1> it can't find the grub-update command, which package is that in?
[18:47] <bioterror> gilir, os-prober should be added to basic installation
[18:47] <bioterror> update-grub
[18:47] <Mohan_chml> MichealH, are you in Lubuntu 10.10?
[18:48] <Mohan_chml> aww mir1*
[18:48] <Mohan_chml> bioterror, do not reverse update-grub ;)
[18:49] <mir1> still not menu.lst, has that been moved or something?
[18:49] <Mohan_chml> mir1, the GRUB files got changed from menu.lst to grub.cfg after 9.04
[18:49] <mir1> o...
[18:49] <Mohan_chml> look for /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:49] <mir1> thanks
[18:49] <Mohan_chml> yw =]
[18:50] <mir1> brb, windoze
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> mir1, wait
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> lol
[18:51] <Mohan_chml> late
[18:51] <bioterror> :D
[18:52] <bioterror> you're too slow
[18:52] <Mohan_chml> :o
[18:54] <mir1> ok, windows has a _lot_ of sound, since i turned the speakers up... :-s
[19:04] <mir1> bioterror: got it, thanks for your help, it was a setting to the far far right of alsamixer
[19:06] <bioterror> okay
[19:22] <head_victim> gilir: great idea for a place to put things (releasenotes). I'll move things across later on today when I get home from work.
[19:24] <gilir> head_victim, that's the goal of the release notes :)
[19:25] <head_victim> Yeah sorry I'm not overly technical so I forget the basics on that end. I'm a bit like phillw more able to do documentation and admin work. Happy to be told how to make things better though.
[19:25] <head_victim> Alright, work calls. I'll see you in about 14 hours ;)
[20:05] <mir1> bioterror: i can't get the music player(s) to make sound, but i can see they are playing since the graphic equaliser is moving. I saw the audio output option in mplayer, it is set to "alsa", but I tried "pulse" and the others. websites have sounds, and mplayer in the terminal also doesn't work so it isn't gnome gunking it up. any ideas?
[20:06] <bioterror> if you go to youtube, you get sounds?
[20:07] <mir1> yep
[20:08] <bioterror> players are messed up then
[20:09] <szczur> use moc :)
[20:09] <Timo_> hi!
[20:09] <szczur> hi Timo_
[20:09] <szczur> 'sup?
[20:09] <bioterror> szczur, says the words of wisdom
[20:10] <Timo_> :D
[20:10] <Timo_> doing good
[20:10] <Timo_> and how r u guys?
[20:10] <bioterror> tired
[20:10] <szczur> very good :)
[20:11] <szczur> mir1, or i recommend Audacious
[20:11] <szczur> too
[20:11] <szczur> because moc is the most awesome :)
[20:12] <szczur> however it is terminal based
[20:12] <mir1> tried it just now, it doesn't work
[20:12] <szczur> so some people may not like this
[20:12] <szczur> hmm :/
[20:12] <szczur> weird
[20:12] <mir1> (this install is for my mum, i'm taking a risk giving her linux, but XP SP£ is killing her computer)
[20:12] <mir1> terminal will not go down well
[20:12] <mir1> :-p
[20:12] <mir1> but i like it
[20:13] <szczur> deadbeef
[20:13] <mir1> i think the problem is less the choice of player and more the problem that none of them are owrking
[20:14] <szczur> i know, but maybe some will work :P
[20:18] <mir1> hmm alsamixer doesn't seem to be altering the sound level of the youtube video. i ran "alsamixer" and changed the master volume - this should change my volume right?
[20:18] <szczur> try changing the PCM
[20:19] <mir1> o yeah, that works
[20:19] <mir1> :-)
[20:19] <friTTe|> =)
[20:19] <friTTe|> now go install Deadbeef for mum
[20:19] <friTTe|> and add all her music
[20:19] <mir1> means alsa in in charge of the audio, so why won't audio palyers make sound?
[21:18] <hallo> 'ello people
[21:19] <szczur> hey hi hallo
[21:19] <szczur> :)
[21:19] <hallo> so...i've got a little problem...how do i install ati drivers? :D
[21:21] <Timo_> hallo: you wanna use the 'hardware drivers' application
[21:21] <Timo_> I think
[21:21] <Timo_> or doesn't it detect the drivers?
[21:22] <hallo> Timo_ when i start Additional Drivers it doesn't detect the drivers
[21:24] <hallo> i've installed Ubuntu Software Center and when i search "ati" is shows me that Additional Drivers (jockey-gtk) is installed
[21:24] <Timo_> yes
[21:24] <Timo_> well the program is installed, but it just doesn't detect your drivers
[21:25] <Timo_> so we might need to install them by hand
[21:25] <Timo_> what vid card do you use?
[21:27] <hallo> ati radeon 9550
[21:28] <Timo_> alright
[21:35] <Timo_> let me check for you
[21:36] <Timo_> okay
[21:36] <Timo_> open up a terminal
[21:37] <Timo_> hallo: and type this in it:
[21:37] <Timo_> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[21:37] <MichealH> Mohan_chml: Nope, But Id like to help
[21:59] <hallo> Timo_ it sais there is no package with this name...and that this package was replaced by "fglrx"
[22:00] <hallo> sorry for the delay...i was on the phone :D
[22:00] <hallo> so...should i go sudo apt-get install fglrx ?
[22:05] <hblount> hi. i am trying to tether my android smartphone to my lubuntu laptop for mobile broadband. i got this link that shows it for Ubuntu and i tried it, but it doesnt work. does this not work lubuntu or did i just do something wrong? link: http://www.humans-enabled.com/2009/12/how-to-tether-your-verizon-droid-as.html
[23:00] <NativeAngels> hello
[23:01] <mark76> Hi
[23:02] <NativeAngels> finishing an install on an old dell latitude
[23:03] <mark76> Goodo
[23:03] <mark76> How's it going so far?
[23:04] <NativeAngels> ok
[23:04] <mark76> Cool
[23:04] <NativeAngels> i have tried zenwalk but its a pain to configure
[23:04] <NativeAngels> xubuntu was slugish
[23:06] <mark76> Probably all the Gnome stuff they insist on ladening it with
[23:06] <NativeAngels> puppy was ok but not very practical
[23:06] <mark76> How come?
[23:07] <NativeAngels> it did work out of the box tho
[23:07] <mark76> It does indeed
[23:07] <NativeAngels> alot of the lite distros dont detect the wireless card
[23:08] <mark76> Ah. The wireless card. The Achilles heel of all lightweight distros
[23:09] <NativeAngels> after a stack of old pcs etc from  freecycle trying to find a lite distro to bring them back to life
[23:10] <NativeAngels> i use normal ubuntu on more powerful pcs
[23:11] <mark76> Fair enough
[23:11] <NativeAngels> this old dell is chugging along with lubuntu install
[23:11] <NativeAngels> not bad for a freebee though
[23:12] <mark76> That's excellent news
[23:12] <mark76> What are the specs?
[23:12] <NativeAngels> its an old p3
[23:12] <NativeAngels> dell latitude l400
[23:13] <NativeAngels> suprisingly for its age the batterys ok
[23:13] <mark76> RAM?
[23:13] <NativeAngels> i can say atm
[23:17] <mark76> sudo apt-get install sysinfo
[23:18] <NativeAngels> lubuntu is still installing
[23:18] <mark76> Oh right
[23:18] <mark76> Heh
[23:18] <NativeAngels> am using another laptop on here
[23:19] <mark76> Oh okay
[23:34] <mir1> hi bioterror: just thought i'd drop back and say thanks for your help earlier, everything is working great now!


[18:10] <bittin> Hello, anyone has a log of todays Kernel meeting missed it live :(
[18:11] <bittin> or was it cancelled ?


[01:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell will get to it later today
[02:12] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: hello
[03:52] <shadeslayer> mornin
[03:52] <shadeslayer> g
[04:22] <shadeslayer> hm, are we sure the stuff in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/ even works?
[04:22] <shadeslayer> because when I start a guest session, I don't get the settings that are specified by the default plasma init script
[04:22] <shadeslayer> I get the default plasma settings
[04:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: is there someone who could possibly test build my powerpc modifications? or is more or less : "Upload and see what happens"
[04:24] <ScottK> infinity might if he has time.
[04:24] <shadeslayer> ok
[04:32]  * micahg takes it that blue systems doesn't have much interest in powerpc as a platform?
[04:40] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[04:41] <shadeslayer> micahg: I don't think anyone has much interest in powerpc as a platform
[04:41] <shadeslayer> then again, I could be wrong
[04:41] <shadeslayer> ( it's all about ARM these days )
[05:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: Tm_T has a power pc
[05:56] <shadeslayer> ok
[05:57] <shadeslayer> well I'll ping the relevant people when I have a package for test building :)
[05:57] <shadeslayer> it's taking a fair bit of time to even build on armhf
[06:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: FWIW the firefox-kde patches are the way the are because they are that way in opensuse
[06:06] <apachelogger> forking away from that like the previous firefox-kde did is nothing but mad
[06:06] <apachelogger> e.g. instead of dev/null -> kde.js, copy some other file and patch it to become kde.sj
[06:06] <apachelogger> certainly the nicer approach
[06:07] <apachelogger> but it makes patch importing a flipping nightmare
[06:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[07:37] <Mamarok> sometimes worht looking at #kubuntu: [03:44] <digitalj> Yay, Kubuntu. Thanks for the best linux distribution I've ever used.
[07:45] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/31/plasma-desktopZf7210.png
[07:46] <apachelogger> can't have threading but vi-like navigation
[07:46] <apachelogger> win
[07:54] <apachelogger> "package afiestas' first boot bluetooth keyboard app and integrate with live CD"
[07:55] <apachelogger> afiestas: what's that about?
[08:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz2fike FFe's for ktp-common-internal and ktp-debugger if you're free
[08:13] <apachelogger> I'll ned more info than that really
[08:14] <shadeslayer> libktpcommoninternalsprivate3 and ktp-debugger are in binary new
[08:15] <apachelogger> what about the rest of ktp?
[08:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue
[08:15] <shadeslayer> dep wait on ktp-common-internal
[08:15] <apachelogger> let me rephrase
[08:15] <apachelogger> why is the rest of ktp not in NEW?
[08:15] <shadeslayer> because it's not?
[08:15] <shadeslayer> let me rephrase
[08:15] <shadeslayer> because it produced no new binaries
[08:16] <shadeslayer> :)
[08:16] <apachelogger> smartass
[08:16] <apachelogger> why was no FFe filed before uploading KTP?
[08:16] <shadeslayer> I did
[08:16] <apachelogger> why are they in NEW then?
[08:16] <apachelogger> well
[08:16] <apachelogger> nevermind
[08:16] <apachelogger> why do we need an FFe if there is an FFe?
[08:17] <shadeslayer> I was working under the assumption that KTP had been cleared for FFe
[08:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK says that we need to file FFe's for new binaries
[08:17] <apachelogger> binary new != FFe
[08:17] <shadeslayer> so best ask him :)
[08:17] <apachelogger> eh?
[08:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: when there already is a FFe, why do we need another FFe?
[08:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/30/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t03:29
[08:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: clearly you did not tell him that there is a FFe already? :P
[08:19] <apachelogger> eeh
[08:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer did not tell ScottK
[08:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also where is the existing FFe?
[08:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I thought you asked cj to add ktp to the kubuntu package set?
[08:21] <shadeslayer> I did not :(
[08:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 1042226
[08:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[08:23] <apachelogger> lol, ScottK even approved it :O
[08:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:23] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/113176143/ubuntu-default-settings_12.10.0_source.changes
[08:24] <apachelogger> always nice to see people realize how awesome our package architecture is :P
[08:25] <shadeslayer> :D
[08:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kexi crash was already fixed btw :P
[08:35] <apachelogger> pointless effort I say
[08:35] <shadeslayer> yay
[08:38] <Tm_T> jussi: indeed I have, but I suspect I have to do this: http://repair4laptop.org/wiki/Mac_iBook_G4_Power_Adapter_DC_Plug_Repair_Howto_Guide
[08:39] <apachelogger> bug 898390 meh
[08:48] <shadeslayer> !find jpeglib.h
[08:49] <shadeslayer> wat
[08:49] <shadeslayer> ;_;
[08:50] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1177395/
[08:50] <shadeslayer> !find jpeglib.h precise
[08:50] <shadeslayer> fun
[09:08] <Riddell> hmm, not feeling well today
[09:12] <Riddell> yeah, back to bed for me
[09:27] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: !
[09:27] <shadeslayer> what
[09:28] <apachelogger_> it's the most awesome thing ever
[09:28] <apachelogger_> the krandr bug I mentioned earlier ... it fails to restore crap because it is executed too early
[09:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[09:30] <apachelogger_> as a matter of fact I see the problem in xrandr
[09:30] <apachelogger_> cause it also doesn't warn or error or anything
[09:31] <apachelogger_> it just fails to set the primary output
[09:34] <shadeslayer> ok
[09:41] <debfx> shadeslayer: why is this needed: libktpcommoninternalsprivate3 now Breaks/Replaces libktpcommoninternalsprivate1
[09:41] <shadeslayer> because of ABI bump?
[09:41] <debfx> that kind of defeats the purpose of renaming packages according to the soname
[09:42] <shadeslayer> debfx: wait, so, it shouldn't break/replace libktpcommoninternalsprivate1 ?
[09:42] <shadeslayer> isn't it wrong to have both libs installed?
[09:43] <debfx> usually there is nothing wrong with that
[09:43] <debfx> not sure how it is with ktp
[09:43] <shadeslayer> I ... uh ... didn't want both those installed since it could potentially cause issues ...
[09:44] <shadeslayer> best to just remove libktpcommoninternalsprivate1
[09:46] <apachelogger> iff ktp has no appropriately versioned inter-dependencies, then it totally makes sense to force all of ktp to be upgraded by breaking the previous lib
[09:47] <apachelogger> i.e. ktp-foo interacts with ktp-bar and has a dep, but ktp-foo linked against libktp1 does not work with ktp-bar linked against libktp3
[09:48] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:48] <apachelogger> so by making libktp3 break libktp1 you either have to stay with libktp1 and foo and bar 1 or you need to go full 3
[09:48] <apachelogger> (not the nicest of solutions to that problem, but considering the source lineup of ktp it probably is one of the saner choices)
[09:50]  * apachelogger sends get well hugs to Riddell
[09:50] <Peace-> apachelogger: do you know why firefox on precise opens files with dolphin ?
[09:51] <Peace-> i mean downloaded files with dolphin
[09:51] <apachelogger> install firefox-gnome-support
[09:51] <apachelogger> although downloading through dolphin sounds slightly wrong
[09:51] <Peace-> apachelogger: mmm well actually i have choose to open everything with kde-open
[09:51] <apachelogger> oh
[09:52] <Peace-> apachelogger: ?? firefox => download => double click => opens dolphin
[09:52] <apachelogger> ah
[09:52] <apachelogger> perhaps the config is not working :P
[09:52] <apachelogger> firefox likes to not do what the user wants in my experience :P
[09:53] <Mamarok> Riddell: get well soon!
[09:53] <Peace-> apachelogger: i have tried again rekonq :D but it sucks like before
[09:53] <Peace-> it really doens't work properly with google pluys
[09:53]  * Peace- studies kubuntu-meta
[09:53] <apachelogger> chromium is your friend
[09:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, afiestas: I really wonder why we don't use Xrandr directly for krandr
[09:54] <apachelogger> (i.e. link against the extension)
[09:54] <apachelogger> that's what xrandr does anyway I think
[09:54] <shadeslayer> idk, don't ask me, I'm trying to explain what I did in kde-workspace in a commit
[09:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol ^^
[09:54] <shadeslayer> and I'm very confused already
[09:55] <shadeslayer> describing this change in words is hard :P
[09:55] <apachelogger> "fix"
[10:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed in master and 4.9 :D
[10:01] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[10:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: get well soon :)
[10:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer++
[10:04] <apachelogger> now fix xrandr
[10:04] <shadeslayer> with pleasure
[10:04]  * apachelogger is actually not sure if it is the tool that is broken or the extension
[10:04] <shadeslayer> just not right now :P
[10:04] <apachelogger> or perhaps that is by design
[10:05] <apachelogger> markey: is your screen order also wrong on login?
[10:05] <shadeslayer> I'm taking a break for a bit
[10:05] <apachelogger> IIRC you had that issue at some point
[10:05] <shadeslayer> cya in a hour
[10:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I also need to fix this huge leak in kwin
[10:06] <shadeslayer> it's leaking mem all over the place, I have to reboot every 2-3 hours
[10:06] <shadeslayer> or rather, relogin
[10:06] <shadeslayer> makes me thing it's something a loop somewhere
[10:06] <shadeslayer> *think
[10:07] <apachelogger> makes me think X is crap :P
[10:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:07] <shadeslayer> htop says that X is hogging all memory
[10:07] <shadeslayer> xrestop says it's kwin
[10:22] <soee> is there some command to install all packages required to compile some app ?
[10:23] <soee> im on fresh 12.04 and want to build  rekonq 1.1
[10:43] <Quintasan> \o
[10:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Reading policy is not fun.
[10:50] <apachelogger> soee: apt-get build-dep rekonq
[10:50] <apachelogger> (note that this is technically only installing the dependencies of the version in the archive)
[10:51] <apachelogger> often close enough to newer versions though
[10:55] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:28] <afiestas> apachelogger: a wrapper above xrandr well done can save tons of LoC
[12:36] <soee> what was the command to switch to lightdm ?
[12:39] <apachelogger> afiestas: it also leaves a lot of opportunities for stuff to fall apart, what with being a runtime dependency and all
[12:39] <afiestas> ok wait, krandr only uses xrandr directly in one place
[12:39] <afiestas> because somebody was too lazy to do it right
[12:40] <apachelogger> lol
[12:40] <apachelogger> which brings me to the question what kephal was supposed to do again ^^
[12:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So what's up with the ktp-common-internals FTBFS?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> armel?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> missing symbols and the likes, will get to it tonight, going out atm ....
[12:42] <ScottK> Isn't it tonight there already?
[12:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: armel/armhf/powerpc.
[12:43] <shadeslayer> 6.12 PM , night for me is anything after 10 PM :P
[12:43] <shadeslayer> yus, missing symbols on all of them
[12:43] <ScottK> We're in beta freeze and our images are somewhat broken due to the skew, so please don't dawdle.
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ofcourse not, also, please to pass it from binary new, that's what's holding AMD64 and i386
[12:52] <ScottK> !ninjas
[12:52] <ScottK> 4.9.1 tarballs are up.
[12:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The kde-telepathy-debugger package description has double spaces at the start of each line.  Please fix that in your upload too.
[13:51] <soee> any idea why none of the shutdown/logout etc buttons work in menu ?
[13:53] <ScottK> On Quantal?
[13:56] <soee> 12.04
[14:01] <ScottK> Dunno.  They work here.
[14:01] <BluesKaj> kate is segfaulting a lot on quantal qagain
[14:02] <debfx> BluesKaj: since the last qt update?
[14:02] <debfx> on amd64?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> I guess so ...I stay up to date
[14:04] <BluesKaj> debfx, ^
[14:04] <debfx> BluesKaj: when did it start to crash?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> yesterday afternoon , EDT
[14:07] <debfx> do you have a backtrace?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> debfx, let me check
[14:20] <BluesKaj> debfx, can't find much in /var/log/syslog or dmesg or even dmesg in the terminal
[14:20] <BluesKaj> using nano
[14:21] <debfx> a dialog should pop up when kate crashes
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Executable: kate PID: 2647 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[14:25] <BluesKaj> installing the debug symbols
[14:33] <BluesKaj> debfx, the crash handler output :  Application: Kate (kate), signal: Segmentation fault
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
[14:34] <debfx> BluesKaj: could you pastebin the whole thing?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> that's the whole output
[14:37] <BluesKaj> debfx,^
[14:39] <debfx> hm, strange
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yeah I installed the debugging packages, but the crash handler still asks if I want to install them ...the crash handler seems buggy too :)
[14:51] <BluesKaj> debfx, if I reboot then kate works ok for a few instances , but then segfaults
[14:58] <BluesKaj> debfx,  this is from the konsole ; http://pastebin.com/SaYATbUc
[14:58] <shumski> BluesKaj: why sudo?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> just a habit
[14:59] <shumski> ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ok here itis without kdesudo , shumski  ;  http://pastebin.com/NQA8ghAi
[15:01] <debfx> the fontconfig warnings are harmless
[15:02] <shumski> what about .xsession-errors?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> less info , because it calls kate more quickly and segfaults
[15:03] <shumski> try turnining kdebugdialog on
[15:03] <shumski> and then run kate
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Application: Plasma Desktop Shell (plasma-desktop), signal: Aborted
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libthread_db.so.1".
[15:09] <BluesKaj> that's what turning on the kdebugdialog did
[15:09] <BluesKaj> shumski,^
[15:09] <shumski> ?
[15:10] <shumski> it crased plasma-desktop?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> yup , all I have is the konversation page , all else is black
[15:11] <BluesKaj> 'strange indeed
[15:12] <shumski> kstart plasma-desktop
[15:12] <shumski> from krunner
[15:20] <shumski> BluesKaj: are you back from black?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> sorry i have some town water ppl in my front yard  fooling with shutoff vlave ...that's priority atm
[15:25] <shumski> sure :)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> shumski, nope it segfaults too
[15:26] <shumski> weird; a new user?
[15:26] <shumski> maybe some conf. coruption
[15:37] <BluesKaj> ok , had to ctrl+alt+delete , kstart plasma desktop segfaulted as well , then at login I had to drop to the tty and login , then startx , shumski
[15:39] <shumski> ok, have you tried why a clean/new user?
[15:39] <shumski> s/why/with
[15:39] <BluesKaj> kate opens , but I'm sure if I try twice more it will segfault
[15:41] <BluesKaj> ok 6 times , but no crashes yet
[15:42] <BluesKaj> why would I try with a new user , this a new install , 2 days old
[15:45] <shumski> Thos crashes seem really weird, thats why :D
[15:46] <BluesKaj> well, it could be the graphics driver , nvidia 304.43 ...there weren't any probs with nouveau
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I'll remove the 304 driver , and see what happens
[16:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/05/11/plasma-desktopgp1838.jpg
[16:35] <Quintasan> >mfw people on #ubuntu-pl believe it's Unity
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:36] <Quintasan> oh wait
[16:36] <Quintasan> annother non-beliver jumped the bandwagon
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> mfw: http://i.imgur.com/Gnzkh.png
[16:37] <Quintasan> :D
[16:43] <Quintasan> curses
[16:43] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: apachelogger failed so horribly, it's named plasma-desktopsth.jpg
[16:44] <Quintasan> my mysterious plan got foiled
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> I did this about 4 years ago: http://jontheechidna.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/kde4gnome2.png
[16:45] <Quintasan> definitely not KDE
[16:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^^ why they created gnome 3 if gnome2 was so awesome?
[16:55] <Quintasan> dpm: ping
[16:55] <dpm> hey Quintasan
[16:56] <Quintasan> dpm: I'm afraid the whole translation business is currently on hold until I can find someone who is really willing to translate, all the people I found translated a few lines and disappered into thin air T_T
[16:58] <Quintasan> Polish translation are dead as hell
[16:58] <Quintasan> dpm: Can teams on LP have more than one admin?
[16:59] <dpm> Quintasan, yes, there can be multiple admins
[16:59] <Quintasan> dpm: Hmm, that would partially solve the problem then
[17:00] <dpm> Quintasan, let's talk next week, I'd be happy to help promoting the Polish translation
[17:00] <Quintasan> dpm: Thanks, that would be nice. I'll do some scouting anyways
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> So the good news: I got Qt5's QtBase tarball building after ~an hour
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> the tiring news: I'm still working on getting all the files in to binary packages :P
[17:19] <debfx> have you ported all our 5000 Qt4 patches? :P
[17:23] <shadeslayer> the packet loss on this network, is too damn high
[17:24] <shadeslayer> who the hell manages to royally screw up and get 66% packet loss
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> debfx: :P
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> I plan to create all the necessary binary packages/ symbols files, etc. then we can go through and compare the packages for stuff to add from the Qt4 packaging
[17:27] <shadeslayer> can't even ssh into arm boxen
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apparently it can do better, 90% loss
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> ccache: FATAL: Could not create /var/cache/pbuilder/ccache/5/9/bba4033b9e114ad9ac03708dcd24cd-2932752.o.tmp.stdout.jonathan-laptop.24323 (permission denied?)
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> lol?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, just restart the build
[17:47] <shadeslayer> happens sometimes
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's proceeding fine now. just haven't had that ever happen to me
[17:51]  * shadeslayer is very tried
[17:51] <shadeslayer> *tired
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> apparently :P
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ugh, stupid telepathy qt
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> I guess it's almost midnight where you live?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> 11.30 PM, yeah :)
[17:53] <shadeslayer> the fun bit is that a) The routing of my ISP is completely shot
[17:53] <shadeslayer> b) I have a average packet loss of about 50%
[17:54] <BluesKaj> bummer , how can anything load or transfer
[17:54] <shadeslayer> it doesn't
[17:54] <shadeslayer> I'm barely connected
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ssh keeps dropping intermittently
[17:55] <BluesKaj> oh
[17:56] <shadeslayer> paste.kde.org and sprints.kde.org are inaccessible
[17:59] <BluesKaj> they're up and running from my connection
[18:00] <shadeslayer> yep, like I said, routing is shot
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> laptop is a balmy 63 degrees compiling Qt
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> I'll put it in front of my fan to cool it down
[18:03] <shadeslayer> this armhf build is going to take it's own sweet time
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> hmm, QtDBus didn't build :(
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> must be missing a build-dep
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> Qt is installing a bunch of fonts to usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/fonts/ wonder what that's all about
[18:14] <shadeslayer> iirc we remove them or sth, please check current packaging
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> they're not on the not-installed list, so I wonder
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> the lib/font directory in the source tarball is present in the Qt 4.8.1 tarball, but absent in the 4.8.2 one, strange
[18:21] <shadeslayer> I think they're removed from the source itself before building
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> I wonder what does that
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> ah
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> rm -rf \
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> ....
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> lib/ \
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> in override_dh_auto_clean
[18:23] <shadeslayer> rules
[18:23] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> I'll port the auto clean to Qt5, then add further documentation explicitly saying that we're deleting the fonts
[18:24] <shadeslayer> though I don't know the rationale behind it :)
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> I'd assume we don't need the fonts because we distribute our own
[18:25] <shadeslayer> maybe
[18:28] <shadeslayer> could someone upload this ktp-common-internals : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-common-internals_0.5.0-0ubuntu2.dsc
[18:28] <shadeslayer> minor fixes due to a bit of screwed up indenting by vim
[18:29] <shadeslayer> or rather, my vim settings
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:30] <shadeslayer> please to make sure the package is sane before uploading  :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> @$##!!#$ .... stupid ISP
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> the debdiff looks sane
[18:32] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:33] <JontheEchidna> I'm off to my last class of the week, bbl
[18:33] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:57]  * ScottK notes the continued lack of a telepathy upload and pokes at shadeslayer .
[21:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: telepathy qt is still building on armhf
[21:29] <shadeslayer> [ 97%] Building CXX object tests/dbus/CMakeFiles/test-simple-observer.dir/simple-observer.cpp.o
[21:29] <shadeslayer> quite slow
[21:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: OK.  Any idea why the latest amd64 livefs build failed when i386 succeeded?
[21:30] <shadeslayer> I'll look at the build logs
[21:30] <ScottK> apachelogger needs to reinvigorate the ice creaming magic on that box.
[21:30] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[21:31] <apachelogger> oh shoot
[21:31] <apachelogger> true
[21:31] <apachelogger> tomorrow
[21:32] <ScottK> I'll have three precise boxes for you to hook together by then.
[21:34] <shadeslayer> o_o
[21:34] <shadeslayer> http://kapok.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/quantal/kubuntu/current/livecd.kubuntu.cloop:
[21:34] <shadeslayer> 2012-08-31 15:03:33 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[21:35] <shadeslayer> I .... don't know
[21:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: That means the livefs build failed.  Look at the livefs log.
[21:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/quantal/kubuntu/20120831.1/livecd-20120831.1-amd64.out
[22:02] <shadeslayer> nothing off the top of my head
[22:02] <shadeslayer> yay, tp qt builds for armhf
[22:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Do you have an amd64 installation you can try the install in?
[22:04] <shadeslayer> yeah, doing that right now
[22:04] <ScottK> Great.
[22:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: seems to work fine
[22:11] <ScottK> OK.
[22:12] <shadeslayer> I've uploaded tp-qt to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly , needs a test build on powerpc
[22:13] <shadeslayer> and are any of the armel boxen online?
[22:13] <shadeslayer> would be nice to do a test build on that as well
[22:14] <ScottK> If it's good on armhf, I'd just upload it.
[22:14] <shadeslayer> oh ... ok
[22:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can you upload ^^^ so I can be the release team review/accept person?
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[22:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hold off on that a bit :)
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: k. good thing you caught me. I was just signing the package with my key
[22:36] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: infinity is taking care of it :)
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> k