[08:34] <riotkittie> Ryuho: it /could/ be. linux can be really wonky when it comes to fans - if yours isnt turning on or turning on often enough.. then yea, you can have performance issues like the lag and freezes.
[08:34] <BUDD}{A> thunderbird
[08:34] <goddamn_mac_man> Snuxoll: Mozilla Thunderbird ;)
[08:34] <bullgard4> I am making my first steps with phpMyAdmin and MySQL. I installed the NortWindMySQL database. How can I make it to display a table of it in form view, for example the table 'Customers'?
[08:34] <tsukasa> tbf, can hardlinks be used from one partition to another?
[08:35] <tsukasa> or is that a file system boundy
[08:35] <vjl323> BUDD}{A: i don't know off-hand. :(
[08:35] <tbf> tsukasa: so unless you have a good reason to use a hardlink, i'd go for symlinks
[08:35] <Coremonk22> !ask Help? :]
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask help? :]  - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: let me check
[08:35] <Ryuho> riotkittie i thought most fans were usually hardware controlled
[08:35] <Snuxoll> BUDD}{A: No clue then, all I know is my t-bred a's vcore is like.....2v
[08:35] <BUDD}{A> np thanks guys
[08:35] <tbf> tsukasa: no, they cann't be used from one partition to another (that's what i've meant with filesystem boundaries)
[08:35] <Ryuho> ......nevermind i just realized i control the fan on this laptop
[08:35] <jotil> Snuxoll: was it binary to ascii you did?
[08:35] <Snuxoll> tsukasa: Like .hack?
[08:36] <tsukasa> ah okay
[08:36] <Snuxoll> jotil: yes
[08:36] <tsukasa> Snuxoll, yes
[08:36] <babyman1737> silent, you still there?
[08:36] <Snuxoll> tsukasa: So do I :)
[08:36] <jotil> Snuxoll: then this page says it is not even binary: http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary.html
[08:36] <babyman1737> I have the java jre1.6.0_03 downloaded to my desktop, does anyone know how I'd go about installing the package?
[08:36] <nickrud> Coremonk22: a known error, a sec & I'll give you a link
[08:36] <Snuxoll><PHONE_NUMBER>1000010110111000100000011110010110111101110101001000000111001001100101011000010110010000100000011101000110100001101 isn't binary?
[08:37] <BUDD}{A> 11mbs and 2% cpu if you leve thunderbird running minimized
[08:37] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: select the database with teh drop down menu, select the table you want to view and then the "Browse" tab
[08:37] <nickrud> Snuxoll: no, it's a representation of binary ;)
[08:38] <Snuxoll> nickrud: True, lol
[08:38] <jotil> lol
[08:38] <Snuxoll> easy way to translate binary is with a hex editor :)
[08:39] <bullgard4> goddamn_mac_man: I cannot find a 'Browse' tab.
[08:39] <jotil> you can do binary to hex without an editor, my problem is don't have the hex codes for the ascii characters memorized
[08:39] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: what version of phpmyadmin are you using?
[08:40] <seamus7> Are there likely to be many changes to Gutsy RC1 and the final release coming in a couple days?
[08:40] <Snuxoll> seamus7: Only bug fixes
[08:40] <GuHHH> can anybody help? when i try to compile a file it says: "configure: error: libdnet not found" but i have libdnet-dev installed
[08:40] <riotkittie> seamus7: no.
[08:40] <Snuxoll> Gutsy had a feature freeze a while ago
[08:40] <bullgard4> goddamn_mac_man: I believe it is version 5.0. How can I determine this? Using Synaptic?
[08:40] <seamus7> that's whay i thought ... i installed it two days ago and have had great success with it
[08:41] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: it shgould say on the login page
[08:41] <Snuxoll> seamus7: It's ready, most show stopping bugs have been squashed
[08:41] <bullgard4> goddamn_mac_man: Synaptic says: "4:<IP_ADDRESS>.-2ubuntu1"
[08:42] <riotkittie> ugh
[08:42] <Snuxoll> Anyone know of a good open source 3D modeling program that ISN'T blender?
[08:42] <[chr0n0s] > hehehe... nice
[08:43] <nickrud> Coremonk22: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=517004
[08:43] <nickrud> seamus7: 97mb downloading now
[08:43] <[chr0n0s] > 97mb :O
[08:44] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: when you log in to phpmyadmin, there's a drop down list of all the databases on the left. Select the database you want to browse from there and a list of tables should appear right below it. Click the one you want to edit and at the top of the right hand pane you'll see a row of tabs, the first of which is labelled "Browse" click that.
[08:44] <seamus7> nickrud: ahhh good luck .. enjoy :)
[08:44] <Snuxoll> Seriously, I might end up having to boot XP and get Bryce6 if I can't find a good OSS replacement that doesn't suck
[08:44] <seamus7> nickrud: i'm on a dell laptop e1505
[08:44] <nickrud> seamus7: no, that's just the latest, I'm one of those blockheads that's been running gutsy since july
[08:45] <seamus7> nickrud: ahhh i see ... was it very buggy back then ?
[08:45] <jotil> Snuxoll: Maya runs on Linux afaik
[08:45] <Snuxoll> Isn't Maya commercial software?
[08:45] <jotil> there is a free version i think
[08:46] <nickrud> seamus7: nothing not fixable, or fixed quickly if really bad. I'm a debian unstable refugee, and sometimes I get squirrly if the software works too well
[08:46] <Snuxoll> May not be open source, but anything is better than blender..
[08:46] <Evanlec> lol, blender not so great eh?
[08:46] <Snuxoll> OK, can I export videos with Maya?
[08:46] <Snuxoll> Evanlec: NO, the UI is AWFUL
[08:46] <BUDD}{A> what is the command to open the repository list
[08:47] <bullgard4> goddamn_mac_man: When I move the cursor to the 'Browse' tab, it will change its form when over 'Browse' containing an 'x' symbol. Clicking on 'Browse' does not have any effect.
[08:47] <Ryuho> ya definatly something wrong.. tracerout is frozen
[08:47] <Ryuho> or the gui for it is
[08:47] <nickrud> BUDD}{A: system->admin->software sources
[08:47] <seamus7> nickrud: what's major changes are coming in the next releases? do you know the plans?
[08:47] <The_Joe_> Can anyone help me set wireless up? I'm using a Belkin G+MIMO USB adapter, rt73
[08:47] <riotkittie> i was going to install unstable the other day. >|
[08:47] <jotil> Snuxoll: the blender gallery looked okay
[08:47] <nickrud> seamus7: nothing more than what I read on the wiki.ubuntu.com and launchpad.net
[08:47] <tsukasa> whats the best rss reader?
[08:47] <The_Joe_> I've tried ndiswrapper and it hasn't helped
[08:47] <BUDD}{A> thanks
[08:47] <goddamn_mac_man> tsukasa: I use the one in Opera myself
[08:47] <nickrud> riotkittie: it's a hoot, gotta configure *everything*
[08:48] <seamus7> tsukasa: i just use google reader
[08:48] <goddamn_mac_man> bullgard4: I don't know what to say, it works for me
[08:48] <tsukasa> goddamn_mac_man, eh looking for something more stand alone
[08:48] <tsukasa> not web based
[08:48] <Snuxoll> tsukasa: Liferea
[08:48] <riotkittie> nickrud: gee, i'm sorry to be missing out :P
[08:48] <Evanlec> Snuxoll, will this guide gimme the free version? 6.5? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66859
[08:48] <montrevux> lol
[08:48] <montrevux> Soooooo.
[08:48] <montrevux> I like lost my xchat
[08:48] <riotkittie> The_Joe_: where did you get the driver from?
[08:48] <Snuxoll> BRILLIANT!
[08:48] <montrevux> I coudn't find it.
[08:48] <goddamn_mac_man> tsukasa: it's not web based, it's in the browser. I use Opera as my web browser so having the RSS reader built-in means one less standalone app to run
[08:48] <jotil> lol montrevux
[08:48] <nickrud> riotkittie: haven't run unstable since I first put warty on a machine. It sat there for about a year, I'd boot it up and update occasionally, but eventually erased it
[08:49] <Snuxoll> Evanlec: That's for HOARY, a little out of date....
[08:49] <tech0007> hwo do i know if i'm using swap?
[08:49] <Coremonk22> great, so my fix is to stick a floppy in to get rid of the error....its going ot be SO hard to find a floppy disk
[08:49] <Coremonk22> lmfao
[08:49] <montrevux> I have so many windows up that I couldn't find it.
[08:49] <goddamn_mac_man> tsukasa: top
[08:49] <tsukasa> goddamn_mac_man, haha i use firefox though. show me a vimperator plugin for opera and i might switch
[08:49] <Evanlec> Snuxoll, agreed...
[08:49] <Snuxoll> OK, maybe blender has changed since I last used it, I might have to try it again...
[08:49] <nickrud> Coremonk22: read thru, there are other fixes, but that's the funniest fix I ever read, agreed :)
[08:49] <montrevux> Back to Opera disscussion?
[08:49] <goddamn_mac_man> tsukasa: ugh.
[08:50] <seamus7> tsukasa: I then connect save the rss categories in google reader into my delicious bookmarks account which I can then access via the delicious toolbar in firefox as live rss feeds ... if that makes sense.
[08:50] <Snuxoll> Also, Synaptic need to be rewritten...
[08:50] <yellow> irc.hanirc.org
[08:50] <riotkittie> i've got stable installed but i cant really bring myself to use it :|
[08:50] <The_Joe_> riotkittie: The CD it came with ^^
[08:50] <Coremonk22> i did a few of the other fixes i found, adding some params to the boot line
[08:50] <montrevux> What does Opera do that makes it a better browser than firefox?
[08:50] <Coremonk22> still nothin =[ ill keep tryin tho thx for the link haha, off to search for a floppy =P
[08:50] <goodtimes> opera works on mobile phones
[08:50] <nickrud> Coremonk22: try all_generic_ide
[08:50] <montrevux> and Snuxoll, I'm already 30% closer to gettting Gutsy. :)
[08:51] <riotkittie> The_Joe_: were there 9x/ME drivers, and 2K/xp drivers? and if so, did you try both sets?
[08:51] <Snuxoll> montrevux: :)
[08:51] <The_Joe_> riotkittie: Nope, just 2k/XP
[08:51] <Snuxoll> I'm gonna start selling Ubuntu PC's :)
[08:51] <Coremonk22> nickrud: as a boot param?
[08:51] <Coremonk22> at the end?
[08:51] <tsukasa> goddamn_mac_man, vimperator is quite a nice plugin
[08:51] <nickrud> Coremonk22: yes, I've heard that one recommended
[08:51] <Coremonk22> Snuxoll: could you get in trouble for doing that?
[08:52] <Coremonk22> under the GNU?
[08:52] <Snuxoll> Coremonk22: No
[08:52] <Coremonk22> hmph
[08:52] <Coremonk22> thats a good idea
[08:52] <Coremonk22> =]
[08:52] <Snuxoll> Nothing wrong with selling the hardware
[08:52] <seamus7> Anyone use Yakuake in Gnome?
[08:52] <Coremonk22> u could make it into a linux awareness group
[08:52] <goddamn_mac_man> tsukasa: I like my browser without fucked up keybinding tyvm :)
[08:52] <Coremonk22> give out free junk boxes with linux on em
[08:52] <SkinnyPuppy34> Snuxoll: whos buyin?
[08:52] <tsukasa> seamus7, i use yeahconsole myself
[08:52] <Snuxoll> I have 2 models specced already
[08:52] <Coremonk22> got a website?
[08:52] <nickrud> Snuxoll: try aptitude as a interactive app, synaptic tries to do that in a gui
[08:52] <Snuxoll> One is a $600 Mini machine, the other is a $700 uber-tower
[08:52] <seamus7> tsukasa: i don't know that one ... what's it like?
[08:53] <Snuxoll> Coremonk22: Not yet
[08:53] <goodtimes> y would anyone buy linux boxes from you?
[08:53] <Coremonk22> mini machines = ew. (no offense) lol
[08:53] <Evanlec> Snuxoll, is there any free alternative to blender?
[08:53] <tsukasa> seamus7, well, for one thing, if you spam show/hide it wont crash
[08:53] <Snuxoll> Evanlec: I wish
[08:53] <BUDD}{A> found the solution to my problem leave thunderbird running and use a app called alltray to tray it
[08:53] <riotkittie> The_Joe_: For what it's worth, ralinks do seem to be better supported under 7.10, which will be released on the 18th if your are willing to update. i do not have a rt73, so i can't tell you if they're working well or not. alternatively, you can try compiling the rt73 or rt2x00 drivers from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com [.net?] . my adapter worked better when i recompiled the legacy module for my adapter, but ymmv. compiling rt2x00 will requi
[08:53] <Coremonk22> you know what you should do snuxoll, host ur web server etc from one of the machines u sell =]
[08:53] <Coremonk22> its like, free advertising
[08:53] <Coremonk22> =D
[08:53] <BUDD}{A> thanks guy for all the help
[08:53] <seamus7> tsukasa: ahhhh that's always good
[08:53] <tsukasa> seamus7, bit of a pain to config but it works nicely for me
[08:53] <Snuxoll> Coremonk22: I have a website that just needs to be set up, I need an initial custome too
[08:53] <The_Joe_> riotkittie: Ahhh serialmonkey, I only found a CVS on there
[08:54] <Coremonk22> btw nickrud, i stuck a floppy in and its just hummin away 8-) seems to be working lol still at the loading screen. ill let u know here in a sec
[08:54] <dA_ShAr3> Hi all, I just got connected to my ubuntu machine from another windows using putty's ssh. I got logged in as a user. and i got the terminal. Buti dont understand how do i get the data from that ubunut box to windows one
[08:54] <jotil> Snuxoll: someone posted that he/she could install Maya 8.0 on Feisty using that guide
[08:54] <The_Joe_> riotkittie: I'm sure I can wait till Thursday
[08:54] <Snuxoll> Seriously, if anyone here wants to buy an Uber $700 Ubuntu tower I can have it ready in 3 weeks
[08:54] <bullgard4> goddamn_mac_man: If I pressed on 'CheckAll' and then click on 'Browse' icon below the table, I obtain "MySQL returned an empty result set (i.e. zero rows). (Query took 0.0047 sec)". Does this mean that my NorthwindMySQL database does not have any entries at all?
[08:54] <scguy318> Coremonk22: LiveCD?
[08:54] <nickrud> Coremonk22: you're lucky you still have a floppy drive
[08:54] <montrevux> Snuxoll, I've got 3 harddrives right now...1 SATA and 2 IDE. I have a Windows XP install on my SATA 120. and my ubuntu is on my Master IDE. The Slave is running extended with music. Both the IDEs are 80 GB and the SATA is 120. Whie I'm doing a clean install..I'm thinking about putting my ubuntu onto the SATA and reinstalling windows on the smaller drive. Think its worth it?
[08:54] <SkinnyPuppy34> Snuxoll: roflmao
[08:54] <Coremonk22> hahahah its an old dell
[08:54] <Coremonk22> optiplex gx260
[08:54] <Coremonk22> wow
[08:54] <cafuego> That's terrible lead time, are you sourcing from Dll or something?
[08:54] <Coremonk22> it worked nickrud hahahaha
[08:54] <Coremonk22> i cant believe that
[08:54] <Coremonk22> hahaha
[08:55] <dA_ShAr3> scguy318:  just got connected to my ubuntu machine from another windows using putty's ssh. I got logged in as a user. and i got the terminal. Buti dont understand how do i get the data from that ubunut box to windows one please help
[08:55] <Coremonk22> No pun intended here, it was an old windows 95 boot disk hahahahahah
[08:55] <nickrud> That fix belongs in a hall of fame somewhere
[08:55] <montrevux> Snuxoll, because I plan on using Ubuntu as my sole OS, really.
[08:55] <Coremonk22> Whats your guys' outlook on MCE?
[08:55] <Snuxoll> montrevux: Then go for it
[08:55] <goodtimes> it will die a fiery death
[08:55] <Scunizi> montrevux, leave win where it is just resize the partition and make about 15 gigs for ubuntu.  use the master ide for /home.. now you have space.!
[08:55] <goodtimes> mythtv ftw
[08:55] <Coremonk22> lol
[08:55] <Snuxoll> Mythtv sucks, I hate to say it
[08:56] <nickrud> scguy318: all_generic_ide is the right grub line addition, right?
[08:56] <Snuxoll> Slow, bloated, doesn't work right, require MySQL
[08:56] <montrevux> Partitioning sounds scary. :(
[08:56] <scguy318> nickrud: yes
[08:56] <Snuxoll> montrevux: Not really
[08:56] <scguy318> nickrud: for the dreaded tty
[08:56] <dA_ShAr3> scguy318: you understand my prob?
[08:56] <scguy318> dA_ShAr3: i think you would use scp or something of the nature
[08:56] <nickrud> scguy318: yes, I swear I found a walk through using that once on google, but can't seem to find it again.
[08:56] <Coremonk22> can you really do all mce is cracked up to be? like the security system etc
[08:57] <goddamn_mac_man> Windows Media Centre is (without hacking) limited to MS codecs afaik. Even QuickTime + Front Row on the Mac can be extended with additional codecs...
[08:57] <scguy318> nickrud: the Launchpad bug for it has a nice long blah that has that
[08:57] <dA_ShAr3> scguy318: i dont know whats scp
[08:57] <dA_ShAr3> !scp
[08:57] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[08:57] <nickrud> scguy318: thanks
[08:57] <montrevux> Willl the Ubuntu Disk be able to re-partition my windows drive?
[08:57] <riotkittie> ho hum. disk space issues suck D:
[08:57] <scguy318> nickrud: I believe Gutsy has that issue resolved
[08:57] <Coremonk22> montrevux: yes
[08:57] <scguy318> nickrud: I had a machine that did that, booted it with Gutsy beta LiveCD no prob
[08:57] <Coremonk22> goddamn_mac_man: I was talkin about linux mce
[08:57] <nickrud> Coremonk22: are you booting the gutsy live CD?
[08:57] <Coremonk22> yea
[08:57] <Coremonk22> why
[08:58] <goddamn_mac_man> I have WinSCP installed on one of my Win boxes but I find myself dropping to the command prompt and using pscp most of the time, heh
[08:58] <montrevux> Snuxoll, how would I make the 80 GB drive my /home?
[08:58] <seamus7> Is it true that gksudo ought to be used when calling up a graphical app as root rather than sudo? So for instance gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[08:58] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: slap a partition on it and tell fstab to mount it as /home
[08:58] <riotkittie> seamus7: yes!
[08:58] <nickrud> Coremonk22: was wondering if it was only a feisty problem. Oh well, I'll add a macro for that one, I think I'm gonna need it
[08:58] <Coremonk22> haha
[08:58] <Coremonk22> <3
[08:58] <scguy318> seamus7: yes
[08:58] <Ryuho> http://www.ca-us.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.4.1/installers/
[08:58] <Coremonk22> it seems to be a common problem
[08:58] <Ryuho> is this the thing to get
[08:58] <Coremonk22> i googled it and got like
[08:59] <Coremonk22> 15 good results
[08:59] <montrevux> goddamn_mac_man, like etx2 or 3 and give it a mount point /home? Would that do it?
[08:59] <Ryuho> if i want to install xubuntu if i already have ubuntu installed
[08:59] <Snuxoll> I'm makin' a website for my biz right now :)
[08:59] <seamus7> I try to do that but sometimes I notice there's a long delay sometimes for instance when I do gksudo nautilus
[08:59] <tsukasa> seamus7, combine quake console hud with console based music player
[08:59] <tsukasa> ;)
[08:59] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: yeah
[08:59] <nickrud> yeah. Coremonk22 if you ever hand out cd's, make sure it's the alternate install cd
[08:59] <Coremonk22> whys that
[08:59] <ianmcorvidae> Ryuho: sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <riotkittie> Ryuho: xfce is in the repos. you can download it via apt, or synaptic. if you have space, you may want to go for xubuntu-desktop  instead
[08:59] <nickrud> they don't have that problem
[08:59] <Coremonk22> ahhh
[08:59] <seamus7> tsukasa: I don't get the allure of that combination ... :)
[08:59] <nickrud> or don't seem to
[08:59] <Coremonk22> u cant download those can u./
[08:59] <Coremonk22> they have to be ordered
[08:59] <Ryuho> thanks ianmcorvidae and riotkittie
[09:00] <montrevux> goddamn_mac_man, fstab...Wheres the config file for it?
[09:00] <nickrud> no, you can choose the alternate install as a download
[09:00] <Coremonk22> ahhh
[09:00] <tsukasa> seamus7, desktop space ++;
[09:00] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: /etc/fstab
[09:00] <Coremonk22> thx for the heads up =D
[09:00] <tsukasa> seamus7, plus you can run multiple consoles binded to different keys
[09:00] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: I think there's a man page for fstab too
[09:01] <Ryuho> i wish i knew unix :(
[09:01] <Coremonk22> nickrud: make sure to tell people
[09:01] <riotkittie> i feel really goofy just handing people discs. i wish i could borrow space at the library and maybe get somebody smrter than myself to come in. have people bring their laptops. have a "hi, this is linux, let us help you get your feet wet" kind of thing.
[09:01] <Coremonk22> that after they get into the live boot
[09:01] <Coremonk22> to remove the floppy
[09:01] <Coremonk22> when it was installing checking partitions
[09:01] <Coremonk22> it was hanging and reading the floppy
[09:01] <seamus7> tsukasa: i see ... alas I rarely get that heavily into multi tasking ... one of the reasons I disabled the compiz cube :)
[09:01] <Coremonk22> i jus removed it and it zoomed right past it
[09:01] <nickrud> riotkittie: contact your local linux user group, they do that kind of thing regularly
[09:02] <riotkittie> nickrud: my local linux user group is like a zillion miles away :P ok, not that far but i dont drive so they may as well be
[09:02] <Coremonk22> invest in a bicycle :]
[09:02] <nickrud> call them, set up an installfest at your library ;)
[09:02] <Coremonk22> nickrud: u get what i said bout the floppy?
[09:02] <nickrud> Coremonk22: yep
[09:02] <Coremonk22> kk
[09:02] <riotkittie> Coremonk22: i'm not peddling 30 miles both ways to get to a LUG :P
[09:03] <buzzinfly> could anyone help with a pppoa problem i have?
[09:03] <Coremonk22> riotkittie: in this day and age, u NEVER know
[09:03] <riotkittie> and plus, i've heard horror stories from females who have stumbled into LUGs and lived to tell the tale :o
[09:03] <seamus7> Any of you use sessions to open up apps upon startup outside of the usual? if so what do you open?
[09:03] <nickrud> won't ride a half mile on a bike
[09:03] <Coremonk22> hahahahahahahah
[09:03] <montrevux> Soooo....fstab looks very confusing. :(
[09:04] <Coremonk22> if i have to ride a half mile on a bike, and for some reason cant drive
[09:04] <Coremonk22> i have to convince myself, it aint worth it
[09:04] <riotkittie> montrevux: it's not, it's not. what are you confused about?
[09:04] <Snuxoll> montrevux: fstab is not confusing
[09:04] <dA_ShAr3> !scp
[09:04] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH.  I used to commute in seattle, at least there they honked
[09:06] <Scunizi> montrevux, to find the uuid of your drives use blkid in a terminal
[09:06] <sauvin> Or scout around in /dev/drives
[09:06] <sauvin> (iirc)
[09:06] <riotkittie> nickrud: haha.
[09:06] <Ryuho> dude apt-get is awesome
[09:06] <Merlintosh> anyone around here worked on shaping solutions
[09:07] <sauvin> I was wrong - /dev/disk
[09:07] <riotkittie> borgista: actually its not that bad :P i used to ride at least 5mi a day once upon a time.
[09:07] <riotkittie> Ryuho: indeed it is.  although it has made me terribly lazy. :|
[09:07] <joiko> joiko
[09:07] <joiko> kyp
[09:07] <borgista> riotkittie: Well, it's not recommendable.
[09:07] <joiko> kyrp huora
[09:07] <joiko> huora
[09:07] <joiko> uh
[09:07] <joiko> ra
[09:07] <joiko> at
[09:07] <joiko> agf
[09:07] <joiko> afh
[09:07] <joiko> adh
[09:07] <Scunizi> Merlintosh, I shape solutions sequentially several sessions a day.
[09:07] <Ryuho> would be a horrible place for something to go wrong
[09:07] <joiko> fhf
[09:07] <joiko> hf
[09:07] <nickrud> !ops
[09:07] <joiko> h
[09:07] <ubotu> Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[09:07] <joiko> h
[09:07] <joiko> h
[09:07] <joiko> h
[09:08] <Ryuho> lol
[09:08] <rob> :)
[09:08] <Scunizi> Merlintosh, probably not the solutions you're thinking of though.. :)
[09:08] <nickrud> ultimate !enter there
[09:08] <buzzinfly> anyone know why my pon command sometimes fails to execute in /etc/rc.local?
[09:08] <Coremonk22> nickrud: my mistake, its 3am here im tired lol i told u i was installing gutsy
[09:08] <Ryuho> awe man.. i've always wanted to try wine... how does it run on slow computers
[09:08] <Coremonk22> im installing fiesty haha
[09:08] <Coremonk22> sorry bout that
[09:09] <nickrud> Coremonk22: yes, and ok!
[09:09] <Ryuho> lol
[09:09] <Lr5> Java/flash sound doesn't seem to work in firefox in 7.10, not even with FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[09:09] <Lr5> Anyone knows if there's some way to solve it?
[09:09] <jotil> Lr5: 32bit?
[09:10] <Lr5> jotil: yah
[09:10] <nickrud> buzzinfly: you could probably see what's wrong in /var/log/syslog
[09:11] <jotil> aww man
[09:11] <montrevux> Snuxoll, 50%
[09:11] <jotil> bad news i guess :(
[09:11] <buzzinfly> yes, I can see that it complains about "No such device", however if a log in and execute the same command it will work.
[09:11] <jotil> bad news i guess :(
[09:11] <babyman1737> Lr5, I got flash to work, but not java
[09:12] <Lr5> babyman1737: did it work in earlier versions?
[09:12] <montrevux> Is there a way to have one of your windows drives mounted on boot? like permanently?
[09:13] <Snuxoll> montrevux: :)
[09:13] <Snuxoll> I'm setting up an osCommerce shop for my PC's :)
[09:13] <buzzinfly> sometimes rc.local will execute as expected and sometimes it won't. it's a USB ADSL modem, so maybe the usb device is not being initialised in time for rc.local to execute.
[09:14] <nickrud> buzzinfly: some of the scripts in /etc/init.d/ get run in parallel, so it's likely that one that's necessary for ppp hasn't completed sometimes
[09:14] <Ryuho> i hate my dorm connection
[09:14] <Ryuho> stupid packet shaper
[09:15] <nickrud> buzzinfly: or as you said :)
[09:15] <buzzinfly> is there a way to guarantee the usb device is ready?
[09:15] <peacepipejv> One more time, disconnected. Songbird, extracted to desktop. Not found in terminal. What now
[09:15] <nickrud> buzzinfly: you can add a sleep command to the rc.local, delay the pon
[09:16] <buzzinfly> messy hack
[09:16] <nickrud> buzzinfly: a hack, but I'm not real strong on checking the status of udev
[09:16] <X-tremAt_Raven> Hi! I tried to set up my soft modem and now I got my sound card not working. Is there any method to set sound card more or less automatically?
[09:17] <nickrud> buzzinfly: or do a loop, waiting for whatever dev you're using to appear
[09:17] <soulchild> how do i activate the kdm theme ???
[09:17] <Snuxoll> http://nuxoll.us.eu.org Future home of NxPC
[09:17] <soulchild> how do i activate the kdm theme ???
[09:17] <dA_ShAr3> !man
[09:17] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:17] <dA_ShAr3> ubotu ;)
[09:17] <Ryuho> lol
[09:18] <Snuxoll> soulchild: Why are you asking about kdn in #ubuntu?  Take it to #ukubuntu
[09:18] <Frogzoo> buzzinfly: in /etc/network/interfaces  add a line 'pre-up /sbin/ifup eth0' of whatever
[09:18] <Snuxoll> nickrud: It's a free domain
[09:18] <Ryuho> i wonder who actually uses kubuntu
[09:18] <nickrud> Snuxoll: lol
[09:18] <peacepipejv> Installing songbird, extracted to desktop. Not found in terminal. What now
[09:18] <Ryuho> what what
[09:18] <nickrud> peacepipejv: cd ~/Desktop
[09:18] <Ryuho> oh lol i just got it Snuxoll
[09:19] <Snuxoll> Ryuho: ?
[09:19] <Snuxoll> You just got what?
[09:19] <buzzinfly> Frogzoo: thanks for that, i guess eth0 needs replacing with ppp0?
[09:19] <Ryuho> free domain
[09:19] <Snuxoll> Ryuho: oh, lol
[09:20] <montrevux> Snuxoll, would this be a good entry in fstab for my sataharddrive if i wanted it permantly mounted in my users folder?
[09:20] <montrevux> Snuxoll, /dev/sda1	/home/montrevux/satadisk	ntfs	defaults	0	0
[09:20] <goddamn_mac_man> looks alright to me
[09:20] <Snuxoll> montrevux: Why are you using ntfs for your /home ?
[09:20] <Snuxoll> Oh, nm
[09:20] <Ryuho> i wanna make a domain ... like .zz
[09:20] <Snuxoll> Yeah, that would work
[09:20] <montrevux> Its my windows harddrive.
[09:21] <newbie2655342> hello
[09:21] <Ryuho> hi
[09:21] <X-tremAt_Raven> Anyone knows how to bring snd_hda_intel back?
[09:21] <newbie2655342> how do i install the drivers for a radeon xpress1200 in gutsy
[09:21] <Ryuho> i wonder why it's downloading thunderbird
[09:21] <freaker> hello, i have a question if i need to reinstall the 7.10 final release on my 7.10 beta  (in two days)?
[09:21] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: where did it go?
[09:22] <goddamn_mac_man> newbie2655342: with the restricted drivers thingy I'd imagine
[09:22] <Frogzoo> buzzinfly: no, somewhere you see a line 'iface dsl-provider inet dhcp' (this is your ppp interface) - add the eth0 within there, or whichever interface is your dsl
[09:22] <Flannel> freaker: no
[09:22] <freaker> tnx a lot
[09:22] <newbie2655342> that didn't work
[09:22] <newbie2655342> all i got was vesa
[09:22] <Frogzoo> buzzinfly: assuming you're using pppoe?
[09:22] <goddamn_mac_man> newbie2655342: that's ATi in Linux for you, lol
[09:22] <freaker> i'll just get the needed updates ?
[09:22] <Flannel> freaker: right
[09:22] <newbie2655342> yeah, i know
[09:23] <Snuxoll> Wow, Oscommerce sucks...
[09:23] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: I tried to set up winmodem and it, as I understood, disabled snd_hda_intel. And my sound card isn't working.
[09:23] <kwartje> reinstalling is only ever needed when you're /home is a complete mess, or the upgrade fails
[09:23] <freaker> and can i erase from all my system all the folders connected to previouse versions of the kernel ?
[09:23] <kwartje> why would you wanna do that freaker?
[09:23] <Flannel> freaker: don't erase the folders.  Remove the packages
[09:23] <montrevux> mount: mount point /home/montrevux/satadisk does not exist
[09:24] <Snuxoll> montrevux: you need to run mkdir /home/montrevux/satadisk first
[09:24] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: mkdir -p /home/montrevux/satadisk
[09:24] <montrevux> wow. :D
[09:24] <Frogzoo> freaker: dpkg --purge linux-image-###  (just don't remove all kernels or you'll be stuck)
[09:24] <filip__> My webcam doesn't work (pb easynote MX51)
[09:24] <montrevux> I'm a n00b at this on so many levels.
[09:24] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: where did you disable it from? how exactly?
[09:24] <Frogzoo> !docs | montrevux
[09:24] <ubotu> montrevux: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[09:25] <freaker> what does purge do ?
[09:25] <kwartje> clear config files
[09:25] <Frogzoo> freaker: man dpkg
[09:25] <freaker> i meant if it leases only that one or erases one spesific ?
[09:26] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: I just installed a package hsfmodem_<IP_ADDRESS>full_k2.6.20_16_generic_ubuntu_i386.deb
[09:26] <filip__> Is somebody over here does have any experience with the build in webcam in a pb easynote MX 51
[09:27] <montrevux> So no I can't open the drive unless I'm root. hmm back to the fstab file
[09:27] <kwartje> you can use synaptic as well to remove all the old kernels
[09:27] <goddamn_mac_man> montrevux: you want users in the options section of your fstab line
[09:27] <kwartje> freaker: just leave the newest kernel
[09:27] <Ryuho> http://www.dnaco.net/~vogelke/pictures/Complete-Guide-To-Cows2.txt i don't get it
[09:27] <freaker> lol
[09:27] <freaker> i read it...
[09:27] <tech0007> in lm-sensors, how do i know if my cpu temp is temp1 or temp2?
[09:28] <goddamn_mac_man> tech0007: you double check with your BIOS
[09:28] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: I am runnig Feisty Fawn with this hardware: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Dell_Inspiron_640m#Soundcard
[09:28] <freaker> but how do i show all the kernells installed ?
[09:28] <Flannel> freaker: they're all "linux-image-*" packages
[09:28] <Flannel> freaker: so, scroll down to the linux-images
[09:28] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: did you try: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[09:29] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: press ctrl+c to quit
[09:29] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: Permission denied (even with sudo)
[09:29] <jotil> if and when you start freaking out because of the sound
[09:29] <peacepipejv> nic: thx for the help
[09:29] <freaker> tnx a lot guys
[09:30] <jotil> even with sudo?
[09:30] <gryfie__> hi
[09:30] <gunashekar> ::
[09:30] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: Tried under root: it does nothing. What I supposed to see?
[09:31] <gunashekar> O:-)
[09:31] <gryfie__> can anyone tell me the most important advantage about ubuntu compared to debian ?
[09:31] <gryfie__> (or the most important advantageS ;) )
[09:32] <jotil> see nothing
[09:32] <jotil> hear weird noise
[09:32] <montrevux> Do I have to log in and out for fstab premission changes to take effect?
[09:32] <Flannel> gryfie__: regular releases, lots of support avenues, the "it just works" idea (sane default configs)
[09:32] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: hear no noise.
[09:32] <Snuxoll> I seriously need to find a good, free PHP host...
[09:33] <saelynh> Snuxoll: is your futur is "free" ?
[09:33] <Geoffrey2> Ubuntu rolls out a major update twice a year....Debian, from what i understand, rolls out a major update whenever they get around to it
[09:33] <Snuxoll> saelynh: ?
[09:34] <joey_> hi
[09:34] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: install alsa? alsa-base alsa-utils and alsa-tools? also gnome-alsamixer
[09:34] <saelynh> Snuxoll:  what your site will host :) ?
[09:34] <filip__> hello, sorry to disturb but does anyone knows how to get a build in webcam in an easynote MX51 working?
[09:34] <Snuxoll> saelynh: Store
[09:34] <saelynh> ah :/
[09:35] <novato_br> filip__, plz
[09:35] <Snuxoll> I really need to just get the money and make a VPS...
[09:35] <novato_br> i need some information about your webcam
[09:35] <saelynh> there was http://www.tuxfamily.org/en/main
[09:36] <Snuxoll> *get a VPS
[09:36] <saelynh> but only if your site is related with free software
[09:36] <filip__> ok, it's a "i don't know" that is build in in a packard bell easynote MX51
[09:36] <SkinnyPuppy34> What is in non GPL emerald themes?
[09:36] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: Installed all of these. Do I need to restart to view if it worked?
[09:36] <novato_br> filip__, would you paste the dmesg log on www.pastebin.ca ?
[09:36] <Snuxoll> saelynh: I'm going to be selling Ubuntu PC's
[09:37] <filip__> K
[09:37] <jotil> you need not. restart alsa.
[09:37] <saelynh> Snuxoll: try
[09:37] <Snuxoll> saelynh: ???
[09:37] <montrevux> Do I have to log in and out for fstab premission changes to take effect?
[09:37] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: How?
[09:37] <scguy318> montrevux: fstab mount settings? no
[09:38] <scguy318> montrevux: just do sudo mount -a
[09:38] <saelynh> it has a relation with free software, so if you want to be hosted on tuxfamily, try :D I don't promise anything but try cost nothing
[09:40] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart - nothing happened
[09:40] <randomwalker> hi, i found this in my apache logs, does it look like my machine has been rooted? :(
[09:40] <randomwalker> [Sun Oct 14 05:48:50 2007]  [error]  [client <IP_ADDRESS>]  Invalid method in request \\x8a\\x89\\xab\\xe7\\x8e\\xfbEx=\\x81\\xabHkh\\"\\x94\\x7f\\x9b\\x05\\xc9M\\xd7\\xaf\\x0e\\x84\\xee\\x19b@\\xa7\\xc2\\x98\\x1e\\xbf\\xe5\\xaccK&
[09:41] <randomwalker> [Sun Oct 14 07:35:09 2007]  [notice]  SIGUSR1 received.  Doing graceful restart
[09:42] <Scunizi> randomwalker, you might ask that in #ubuntu-server
[09:42] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:42] <cafuego> randomwalker: No, looks like someone tried to abuse it but failed, and the server was restarted by logrotate.
[09:43] <randomwalker> cafuego, thanks!
[09:43] <jotil> X-tremAt_Raven: but before you do that, run gnome-alsamixer
[09:43] <jotil> and see if all sound is unmuted
[09:44] <jotil> and then try playing something
[09:44] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: Thanx a lot!!!
[09:44] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: alsamixer failed
[09:44] <jotil> gnome-alsamixer
[09:44] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: I mean gnome-alsamixer failed
[09:45] <jotil> erm
[09:45] <jotil> did you install it?
[09:45] <jotil> i guess you did
[09:45] <jotil> ok reboot and see
[09:46] <jotil> if that doesn't work
[09:46] <jotil> check the guide
[09:46] <riotkittie> is there a way to make the login screen stop asking if you want to make a session default when you switch? :|
[09:47] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: Already checking the guide. Thanx.
[09:48] <X-tremAt_Raven> jotil: OK, I'll try to restart and if it fails use the guide.
[09:48] <Snuxoll> 'night all
[09:48] <riotkittie> nite Snuxoll
[09:48] <crossbones> OMG OMG OMG
[09:48] <crossbones> hi
[09:48] <crossbones> Im usin the linuxtard
[09:49] <riotkittie> uh.
[09:49] <riotkittie> do trolls never sleep? :|
[09:49] <cafuego> Nope
[09:49] <crossbones> never
[09:49] <cafuego> they move a timezone every hour
[09:49] <nanonyme> riotkittie, i think they're like Neo. they troll even when asleep
[09:49] <WaltzingAlong> crossbones: linuxtard 1.2 or 2.3?
[09:49] <crossbones> 2.3
[09:49] <riotkittie> nanonyme: heh
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> crossbones: 64bit or 32bit?
[09:50] <crossbones> 64 bit
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> crossbones: any support question about it?
[09:50] <crossbones> I need to make wireless work
[09:50] <crossbones> it doesnt
[09:50] <cafuego> Well, we can't help you, this is #ubuntu, not #linuxtard.
[09:51] <crossbones> how do I make the wireless networkingz connect to the internetwork
[09:51] <crossbones> ubuntu 7.10 beta
[09:51] <cafuego> The beta is supported in #ubuntu+1
[09:51] <dgjones> !beta | crossbones
[09:51] <ubotu> crossbones: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Release Candidate information and release notes can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - The RC is development software and as such unstable, support *ONLY* in #ubuntu+1
[09:52] <riotkittie>  i miss the good days when trolls had the decency to at least be slightly amusing
[09:52] <karmelek> join #ubuntu+1
[09:53] <riotkittie> cafuego: perhaps it was my being in one of those conditions that caused them to be slightly amusing, now that  i think of it
[09:53] <riotkittie> wow. nobody has problems at 4am. :P
[09:53] <crossbones> fuckin druggie
[09:53] <Scarey> riotkittie: how exactly did trolls became a part of a Ubuntu chat?
[09:54] <Frogzoo> riotkittie: if trolls exist, so does santa claus
[09:54] <cafuego> !ohmy | crossbones
[09:54] <ubotu> crossbones: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:54] <crossbones> MY fAMILY BEATS ME
[09:54] <riotkittie> Scarey: one joined the channel.
[09:54] <Scarey> riotkittie: ahh.. missed that part.
[09:54] <cafuego> With good reason, I'd say.
[09:55] <Frogzoo> crossbones: -> #ubuntu+1 for 7.10 beta
[09:55] <goodtimes> where can I adjust the default programs that are used for different file extentions?
[09:55] <crossbones> when does it go non beta?
[09:55] <Frogzoo> !gutsy
[09:55] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[09:55] <dgjones> 18th october
[09:55] <goddamn_mac_man> crossbones: 18th apparently
[09:55] <nooblar> !mdadm
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdadm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:56] <riotkittie> goodtimes: i do it in nautilus
[09:56] <cafuego> goodtimes: Right click a file, Properties > Opn With...
[09:56] <reisi> hellou, has anyone noticed that it has become impossible to use subversion over https:// urls?
[09:56] <goddamn_mac_man> crossbones: but, like all Linux distros, it'll always be in a perpetual beta stat :P
[09:56] <riotkittie> right click on files > properties ...
[09:56] <goddamn_mac_man> state*
[09:57] <goodtimes> thx riotkittie
[09:57] <riotkittie> yw, goodtimes
[09:58] <cafuego> pfff
[09:58] <riotkittie> fffp
[09:58] <crossbones> U BONE 2
[09:58] <nanonyme> goddamn_mac_man, not really. ubuntu stable changes so slowly it makes people cry :) i often tend to stay altogether at testing branches
[09:58] <crossbones> get it??
[09:58] <crossbones> U
[09:58] <crossbones> BoNE
[09:58] <crossbones> two
[09:59] <cafuego> crossbones: Would you mind going outside and trolling a tree or something?
[09:59] <nanonyme> although i think i'll stop that at hardy and will just backport packages i need
[09:59] <Cyber_Stalker> could some one help me? i get "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[09:59] <Cyber_Stalker> You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu." at startup aswell as "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found."
[10:00] <crossbones> only if I can butter your bread cafuego
[10:00] <antler> is there a channel for mint_linux?
[10:00] <scguy318> antler: #mint I think
[10:00] <scguy318> no
[10:01] <riotkittie> Cyber_Stalker: open a terminal, type lspci and look for audio or multimedia controller. is one found?
[10:01] <antler> hm, 3 users on #mint
[10:01] <scguy318> antler: i'm not sure actually
[10:01] <antler> heheh
[10:01] <Cyber_Stalker> riotkittie, i get alot of stuff back
[10:01] <antler> man, mint is purdee.
[10:01] <riotkittie> Cyber_Stalker: then lspci | grep audio
[10:01] <paralep> i guess i'll dual with ubuntu though
[10:01] <Cyber_Stalker> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[10:03] <Cyber_Stalker> riotkittie, lspci | grep audio
[10:03] <Cyber_Stalker> oops
[10:03] <Cyber_Stalker> riotkittie, 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> antler: /list
[10:04] <tech0007> when my system locks up, shld i jst turn do a hard shutdown then reboot? s there an easier way to do it in ubuntu?
[10:05] <riotkittie> Cyber_Stalker: do you have onboard sound + an actual sound card?
[10:05] <antler> WaltzingAlong: yeah. i'm in xchat ; network menu / channels. same thing, i guess.
[10:05] <Cyber_Stalker> yes riotkittie
[10:05] <goddamn_mac_man> tech0007: there is a way to get a kernel panic'd system to shut down gracefully (Magic SysRq) but probably easier to just push the reset button :P
[10:06] <riotkittie> Cyber_Stalker: reboot. go into BIOS and disable your onboard sound.
[10:06] <Cyber_Stalker> umm ok
[10:06] <soundray> I think he meant "thank you, riotkittie".
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> tech0007: if it locked up then it locked up. perhaps though just X has frozen or an app has which makes X stick. you could switch to a tty such as with ctrl+alt+f1, then admin from there, perhaps closing the app that had run away
[10:07] <riotkittie> alt + sys req with the following keys R S E U B (alt+sysreq+ R, alt+sysreq+S and so on)
[10:07] <riotkittie> soundray: hee.
[10:07] <tech0007> riotkittie...what does that do?
[10:07] <Toast`> that's a secret
[10:08] <goddamn_mac_man> riotkittie: it causes the system to go through the shutdown motions
[10:08] <goddamn_mac_man> tech0007 I meant, sorry
[10:08] <allam> i wnt to use yahoo messenger in ubuntu7.4,why???
[10:08] <goddamn_mac_man> allam: pidgin
[10:08] <allam> how?
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> allam: messenger.yahoo.com for yahoo's messenger
[10:09] <tech0007> goddamn_mac_man....so it do alt+sysrq+R+S+E+U in that order?
[10:09] <goddamn_mac_man> wait, it might still be gaim in feisty...
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> allam: otherwise there are plenty of programs that allow access to the yahoo im network. pidgin (gaim), kopete, and so on
[10:10] <gutsyNL> hello there
[10:10] <Cyber_Stalker> did riotkittie just leave?
[10:10] <soundray> gutsyNL: Hi. Didn't you want to join #ubuntu+1 ?
[10:10] <soundray> Cyber_Stalker: yes
[10:10] <gutsyNL> i am running the newest gutsy, do you all notice the absense of the startup sound?
[10:10] <Cyber_Stalker> wtf
[10:10] <gutsyNL> ah yes
[10:10] <soundray> !gutsy | gutsyNL
[10:10] <ubotu> gutsyNL: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[10:10] <Cyber_Stalker> he is busy helping me and then tells me to restart so that he can quit...
[10:11] <goddamn_mac_man> gutsyNL: nope, mine is still "Battlecruiser operational!" :P
[10:11] <gutsyNL> sorry other channel..
[10:11] <gutsyNL> :P
[10:11] <soundray> Cyber_Stalker: you're making a gender assumption there
[10:11] <tech0007> !ohmy | Cyber_Stalker
[10:11] <ubotu> Cyber_Stalker: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:11] <Cyber_Stalker> soundray, what was his quit reason if you dont mind?
[10:12] <peacepipejv> Still having trouble w/Songbird
[10:12] <soundray> Cyber_Stalker: I don't live in her mind, but I'll hazard a guess: you suddenly quit without any acknowledgement of her help, so she didn't feel appreciated.
[10:12] <peacepipejv> cant ./configure
[10:12] <nooblar> sh configure
[10:12] <Cyber_Stalker> lol ok wat eva
[10:12] <goddamn_mac_man> peacepipejv: probably missing the toolchain
[10:13] <peacepipejv> im able to execute a file inside Songbird folder however
[10:13] <peacepipejv> Songbird opens
[10:13] <tech0007> goddamn_mac_man....so it do alt+sysrq+R+S+E+U in that order?
[10:13] <goddamn_mac_man> peacepipejv: sure it even has a configure script? look at any README or INSTALL files in the source dir
[10:13] <peacepipejv> am I right to say that doesnt mean its installed
[10:13] <goddamn_mac_man> tech0007: something like that
[10:14] <tech0007> goddamn_mac_man...thnx
[10:14] <goddamn_mac_man> tech0007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[10:15] <peacepipejv> dont see a configure script. just some .js
[10:15] <soundray> peacepipejv: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/songbird#
[10:16] <nooblar> gee wow! this magic sysrq deal is great information.
[10:16] <goddamn_mac_man> the kernel has to be compiled to use it though afaik
[10:17] <goddamn_mac_man> nooblar: http://www.google.com.au/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=the+answer+to+life,+the+universe+and+everything&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 <- it gets the important ones right though :P
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> nooblar: sometimes 2+2 does = 6
[10:17] <tech0007> Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> nooblar: especially when referring to vectors
[10:17] <nooblar> WaltzingAlong: what i said
[10:18] <CorpseFeede1> hello
[10:19] <CorpseFeede1> am I connected now?
[10:19] <Frogzoo> CorpseFeede1: it seems likely
[10:19] <soundray> CorpseFeede1: I can read you, but it's somewhat faint
[10:19] <CorpseFeede1> Oh crap.. now I've got a ghost :(
[10:19] <soundray> CorpseFeede1: strike yourkeys harder
[10:19] <tech0007> CorpseFeede1...loud n clear:-D
[10:19] <papsk> hi all
[10:20] <papsk> 'm new here
[10:20] <soundray> !howdy | papsk
[10:20] <ubotu> papsk: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[10:20] <papsk> thanks....was up?
[10:20] <soundray> !ubuntu | papsk
[10:20] <ubotu> papsk: Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[10:20] <papsk> where from
[10:20] <papsk> I'm using it
[10:21] <soundray> papsk: this is not a chitchat channel. Join #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[10:21] <papsk> Yes...I have a problem with printing
[10:21] <soundray> !elaborate | papsk
[10:21] <ubotu> papsk: Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[10:22] <papsk> i have down loaded RPM files on desk top
[10:22] <pommer> hi...does beryl work with ubuntu?
[10:22] <dgjones> !rpm | papsk
[10:22] <ubotu> papsk: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[10:22] <pommer> just checked out images on utube... darn nice
[10:22] <soundray> !beryl | pommer
[10:22] <ubotu> pommer: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:22] <papsk> My printer is Canon Pixm 1880
[10:22] <goddamn_mac_man> papsk: you want .debs for Ubuntu ;)
[10:22] <nooblar> !alien
[10:22] <Nitecat> pommer: Yes it does
[10:22] <pommer> yeah. it looks awesome
[10:22] <CorpseFeeder> Yay! my ghost is dead... now who thinks they can help me to install video drivers for Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] ?
[10:22] <pommer> but how do i install it?
[10:22] <soundray> pommer: help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:22] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: try the restricted drivers doodad
[10:23] <Nitecat> pommer: are you using Feisty Fawn?
[10:23] <soundray> papsk: which version of ubuntu do you have?
[10:23] <tech0007> !doodad | :-D
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doodad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <papsk> Ya..I received a mail from John and Tried to folow the same, but, RPM are not getting converted to deb
[10:23] <darkchr0n0s> CorpseFeeder : get drivers from ati.amd.com
[10:23] <papsk> version 7.1
[10:23] <pommer> yes im useing feisty fawn
[10:23] <goddamn_mac_man> darkchr0n0s: 7.04+ handle that for you now, it's neat
[10:23] <Nitecat> papsk: what are you trying to install?
[10:24] <CorpseFeeder> goddamn_mac_man: it's not as simple as that. this card isn't supported by the restricted drivers doodad.. I need to install drivers form the ati site, but last time I attempted I f#$@ed it up and couldn't start gdm and had to re-install form scratch :(
[10:24] <soundray> Nitecat: papsk needs drivers for a Canon PIXMA ip1880
[10:24] <peacepipejv> soundray.: seems to be working. Why this way?
[10:24] <papsk> John asked me to install allien first, that was successfully installed, second step
[10:24] <papsk> I stucked up
[10:24] <pommer> beryl will work on fiesty fawn right?
[10:24] <Nitecat> pommer: apt-get install beryl emerald-themes
[10:24] <soundray> peacepipejv: you'd have to ask the developers.
[10:25] <pommer> im new to linux
[10:25] <pommer> do i type that into the terminal?
[10:25] <CorpseFeeder> darkchr0n0s: last time I tried i messed it all up and couldn't start gdm...
[10:25] <pommer> ive had linux a day
[10:25] <soundray> pommer: familiarize yourself with ubuntu & how to install software first. Ubotu will send you a few private messages
[10:25] <soundray> !faq > pommer
[10:25] <soundray> !software > pommer
[10:25] <peacepipejv> soundray: right. probably missing scripts
[10:25] <soundray> !cli > pommer
[10:26] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: You shouldn't really need the proprietary drivers on those older cards, the r2x0 chips are supported by the open source drivers I believe
[10:26] <peacepipejv> I jus like things to make sense
[10:26] <Flexyjerkov> Trying to update my geforce 4 drivers on ubuntu as i am stuck in 1024x768 when i want to use 1680x1050 but when i try install drivers i get a error bout x server. any help?
[10:26] <pommer> is linux difficult to get into?
[10:26] <papsk> so what to do?
[10:26] <tech0007> pommer....its patience you need
[10:26] <goddamn_mac_man> Flexyjerkov: you have to futz with the modelines for those I believe
[10:26] <soundray> papsk: is your printer connected via USB?
[10:26] <Nitecat> pommer: just takes time and study.  it repays everything you put into it manyfold
[10:26] <papsk> yes sir
[10:26] <pommer> thanks
[10:26] <pommer> can you build on linux?
[10:27] <Nitecat> ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/
[10:27] <soundray> pommer: please read the FAQ
[10:27] <CorpseFeeder> goddamn_mac_man: it's not supported properly - some stuff simply doesn't work like no text in that tux penguin racer thingy game and the TV out doesn't work etc...
[10:27] <pommer> k...thanks
[10:28] <CorpseFeeder> I have to go for 5 minutes then I will be back to discuss making this video card work properly....
[10:28] <soundray> papsk: I would expect ubuntu to recognize and install it automatically. Can you just ensure that your printer is on and do a plug cycle (pull the USB plug & insert it back)
[10:28] <Nitecat> pommer: The short answer is yes.
[10:28] <tech0007> papsk.....'lsusb' you should see ur printer
[10:29] <papsk> Ubuntu recognises the printer
[10:29] <Flexyjerkov> goddamn_mac i'm new to linux
[10:29] <Flexyjerkov> not sure how to install drivers
[10:30] <papsk> but it doesn't have drivers for ip1880 drivers
[10:30] <soundray> papsk: did you get a message to that effect?
[10:30] <Nitecat> "- for Canon PIXMA IP1200 can be used driver Canon PIXMA IP2200 and for Canon PIXMA IP1880 can be used driver Canon PIXMA IP1800 series."
[10:30] <papsk> nop
[10:30] <papsk> oooooh
[10:31] <soundray> Nitecat: that would solve it, if gutsy provided the 1800 series drivers... but it doesn't seem to. (papsk)
[10:31] <papsk> ok. i'll try, are you here till the time?
[10:32] <Nitecat> papsk: You're on your own, tho.  I just googled that for you.  I
[10:32] <soundray> papsk: with a bit of patience, you will find help here at any time.
[10:32] <Nitecat> I must go.
[10:32] <Flexyjerkov> so how do i get ubuntu to work in 1680 x 1050
[10:32] <Nitecat> unfortunately
[10:32] <Flexyjerkov> as with my wide screen 1024 look silly
[10:33] <Nitecat> goodnight everyone, sorry to pop in and out
[10:33] <soundray> !fixres > Flexyjerkov, please read the private message from ubotu
[10:33] <papsk> Thanks, I'm in process to install the printer right away and take a test page
[10:34] <pvh> So... anyone here ever formatted their ext partition to fat32 by mistake?
[10:35] <Flexyjerkov> 2well ill have to take alook at it when i'm home tonight lol
[10:35] <soundray> pvh: fortunately not. Why, is that what happened to you?
[10:35] <Flexyjerkov> in work now but hey...
[10:35] <tech0007> pvh...is that your root partition?
[10:35] <pvh> soundray: yep.
[10:35] <pvh> tech0007: yep.
[10:35] <papsk> hey, i didnot find ip1200 drivers in the default list of drivers in the list, the list starts from i2000
[10:35] <papsk> or i1800 drivers
[10:36] <pvh> soundray: at the moment, i am completely and utterly screwed.
[10:36] <tech0007> pvh...is that a dell
[10:36] <pvh> tech0007: acer.
[10:36] <soundray> pvh: oh, that was my next question, how did you format...
[10:36] <pvh> tech0007: i installed xp, which went to F: because ubuntu already had the first partition
[10:36] <pvh> tech0007: but mo drivers worked, so i put in my system restore disk to see if they were there.
[10:36] <papsk> hellow
[10:36] <tech0007> pvh....if u want to dual boot..u install xp first then ubuntu
[10:37] <papsk> is there any body can answer my question?
[10:37] <soundray> pvh: unfortunately, I don't think there's much you can do, except employ forensic experts for thousands of <insert your favorite currency unit>
[10:37] <kevsthabest> hey.. anyone know if the newest kernel includes CFS scheduler or do i still need to patch?
[10:37] <pvh> soundray: actually, that's not true
[10:37] <pvh> soundray: there are a number of excellent resources available
[10:37] <pvh> soundray: unfortunately i'm not sure which to pick
[10:37] <soundray> pvh: oh, so you just came here to chat about it.
[10:38] <soundray> papsk: I said you need to have some patience.
[10:38] <jotil> lol
[10:38] <pvh> soundray: sort of -- i have a deadline at 8:30am
[10:38] <jotil> pvh: deadline to restore the ext3?
[10:38] <pvh> soundray: so i'm trying to find someone who has been through this and can help me get through without getting me fired
[10:38] <pvh> jotil: don't need to restore it, just to rescue a few extremely vital files.
[10:39] <pvh> jotil: deadline is 0615 PST
[10:39] <chimaera> occasionally, shutdown hangs and doesn't power off my powerbook. after the splash i get some lines relating to networkmanager..
[10:39] <pvh> jotil: well, actually, a couple extra hours would be nice so that i can actually finish the work
[10:39] <tech0007> papsk...hope this helps https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/14909
[10:39] <soundray> pvh: surely, if they're vital, the ones on the ext3 weren't the only copies?!
[10:39] <pvh> soundray: not helpful.
[10:40] <helge> testing the "desktop effects", I get same results as with beryl, the qube doesnt change desktops, like its changing virtual non-existen desktops :p
[10:40] <pvh> soundray: :)
[10:40] <jotil> apparently, if i understand what you did - you actually formatted the drive with important files and changed the filesystem while you were at it?
[10:40] <helge> I take it should actually switch between desktops..
[10:40] <tech0007> helge...videocard?
[10:40] <soundray> pvh: no, I know, you've set the stakes to high
[10:40] <pvh> jotil: yes, which is actually a blessing in disguise here.
[10:41] <soundray> pvh: maybe that's the first thing to do: get your deadline extended
[10:41] <pvh> soundray: not an option.
[10:41] <papsk> that's what i'm trying to tell you people  that I'm stuck at conversion step, it says that didn't find rpm file
[10:41] <pvh> jotil: i'm trying to find one of the other superblocks
[10:41] <helge> tech0007, using intel chipset videocard.. the qube spins and all, just not between the desktops I have defined..
[10:41] <soundray> papsk: did you download to the desktop?
[10:41] <papsk> yes sir
[10:41] <jotil> pvh: but from the limited understanding i have, fat32 has a way of pointing files and ext3 has a different way (inodes etc)
[10:41] <pvh> jotil: either that or i've read that using mke2fs can possibly save the day
[10:42] <soundray> papsk: enter 'cd ~/Desktop' and try again
[10:42] <pvh> jotil: right, but there were no files put onto this new format and my reading indicates that fat32 just starts at the beginning of the drive and works outwards
[10:42] <pvh> jotil: so i've probably lost a few of the first files written to the drive
[10:42] <winchesterPAT> my keyboard is breaking windows PATENT its has a windows key
[10:42] <pvh> jotil: and the superblock
[10:42] <pvh> jotil: but my home directory should theoretically be intact
[10:42] <pvh> jotil: i just need to figure out how to get to it.
[10:42] <soundray> winchesterPAT: you can't patent a logo on a keyboard
[10:43] <jotil> hmmmm
[10:43] <winchesterPAT> soundray: you cant ?
[10:43] <jotil> pvh: a very messy situation i must say!
[10:43] <pvh> jotil: yeah. would you happen to know the default blocksize ubuntu uses for the fs?
[10:43] <soundray> winchesterPAT: no. The best you can do for a logo is register it as part of a trademark.
[10:44] <pvh> jotil: i'm still optimistic, caffeinated, and making (slow) progress.
[10:44] <winchesterPAT> but its not just the logo
[10:44] <winchesterPAT> its the key
[10:44] <pvh> jotil: i'd give myself about 20% success odds right now
[10:44] <pvh> jotil: basically, at some point soon my backup will be finished and then i'll have to try to Do Something
[10:45] <winchesterPAT> i bet the keyboard maker is in deep shit now
[10:45] <pvh> jotil: at which point i'll probably corrupt the filesystem and have to restore, losing another two hours
[10:45] <tech0007> papsk...u failed to convert w/c package? did u check if the download isn't corrupt
[10:45] <papsk> it gives "Unknown type of package, /home/mahendra/Desktop" error
[10:45] <winchesterPAT> isnt there a keytboard with a linux key ?
[10:45] <pvh> jotil: so i want to make sure that when i Do Something it has the best chance of success possible
[10:45] <martin_> anyone? How do I make kde programs close instead of going into tray when I press "close" button?
[10:45] <jotil> ok
[10:45] <CorpseFeeder> ok.. I have a Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]  video card in this Toshiba Tecra notebook computer. I'm pretty sure the driver here http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/previous/linux-r-8-28-8.html is the one I need. Can anyone help me with getting that driver installed without killing my system?
[10:45] <jotil> pvh: usually blocksize is variable, right
[10:46] <[chr0n0s] > winchesterPAT : nope.. but you can stick a penguin logo on windows key !!
[10:46] <papsk> no, i have downloaded from Canon site
[10:46] <martin_> CorpseFeeder,  Have you tried "envy"
[10:46] <pvh> jotil: i thought it was fixed on a per-filesystem basis.
[10:46] <soundray> papsk: you didn't do what I asked you to do.
[10:46] <CorpseFeeder> martin_: who is Envy?
[10:46] <dgjones> !envy
[10:46] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:46] <martin_> CorpseFeeder,  google ati envy
[10:46] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: Neither of those will work, you need and xorg 7 driver
[10:46] <soundray> martin_: please don't recommend envy
[10:46] <papsk> ye i did, and it's showing :Unknown type of package, /home/mahendra/Desktop." error
[10:47] <martin_> shut up
[10:47] <jotil> pvh: not necessarily
[10:47] <martin_> soundray,  I recommend what is best for people
[10:47] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : type restricted-manager on a console
[10:47] <soundray> !ops | martin_ recommending deprecated software & being rude about it
[10:47] <ubotu> martin_ recommending deprecated software & being rude about it: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[10:47] <dgjones> martin_, envy isn't supported within the Ubuntu channel
[10:47] <peacepipejv> winchester: just draw with permaink
[10:47] <daveinthesky> !envy
[10:47] <martin_> anyone? How do I make kde programs close instead of going into tray when I press "close" button?
[10:47] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:47] <martin_> !envy
[10:47] <rob> hmm
[10:47] <winchesterPAT> any one has the UT3 login/ password
[10:47] <winchesterPAT> any one has the UT3 login/ password ?
[10:47] <fritzs> How do I mount a NFS share in 7.10 using the GUI?
[10:48] <Amaranth> martin_: I don't care if you use envy but we do not support it here so we ask that you do not recommend it to people.
[10:48] <tech0007> fritz....#ubuntu+1
[10:48] <livingdaylight> hello
[10:48] <jotil> pvh: googled and found that ext3 can support block sizes upto 8KB.
[10:49] <livingdaylight> i am using Breezy Badger... i heard that there is a new version?
[10:49] <soundray> martin_: also, have a look at the code of conduct and see if you think that telling people to "shut up" fits with it.
[10:49] <soundray> !coc | martin_
[10:49] <ubotu> martin_: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:49] <jotil> pvh: 1KB, 2KB, 4KB and 8KB
[10:49] <martin_> jj
[10:49] <pvh> jotil: yeah, i'm still trying to figure out what the default used by ubuntu is...
[10:49] <Amaranth> livingdaylight: Wow, breezy is _really_ old
[10:49] <martin_> Amaranth,  who "we"? Is this an official channel of Canonical Inc and Shuttleworth??
[10:49] <Mez> livingdaylight, there have been a couple of releases since
[10:49] <Amaranth> martin_: This is the official Ubuntu IRC channel.
[10:49] <tech0007> livingdaylight...u sure ur in the daylight?
[10:49] <livingdaylight> really?
[10:49] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : any luck ?
[10:49] <CorpseFeeder> [chr0n0s] : why am I typing restrited-manager in the console?
[10:49] <Amaranth> livingdaylight: Yeah, that's about 2 years old
[10:50] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : to install ati drivers...
[10:50] <Amaranth> livingdaylight: It doesn't even get security updates anymore
[10:50] <martin_> Amaranth,  Do you officially work for Shuttleworth with a job contract?
[10:50] <livingdaylight> where have i been?
[10:50] <Amaranth> martin_: No.
[10:50] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : sorry it's sudo restricted-manager
[10:50] <CorpseFeeder> [chr0n0s] : b... b... b... but.. the restricted manager drivers don't support this card???
[10:50] <allam> how i can install libssl0.9.6 packege
[10:50] <rob> martin_, please take it to pm
[10:50] <Mez> martin_, your questions are irrelevant to the channel, please address Amaranth via /msg
[10:51] <Amaranth> livingdaylight: It'd probably take about 24 hours to upgrade since you have to go from version to version, I suggest you download the Ubuntu 7.10 Release Candidate and do a clean install with it.
[10:51] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : well, there are 2 options.. either get drivers from ati.amd.com or use sudo restricted-manager
[10:51] <nooblar> what are the guidelines for whether software is supported or unsupported?
[10:51] <pvh> jotil: are you using a partition created automatically by the installer?
[10:51] <martin_> Amaranth .. So when you dont work for Ubuntu and you're  here to give advice about Ubuntu ,, why can you dictate what others can advise about Ubuntu ??
[10:51] <Amaranth> nooblar: If it's included in Ubuntu we'll help you with it here
[10:51] <allam>  how i can install libssl0.9.6 package
[10:51] <jotil> yeah
[10:52] <nooblar> by implication if it's not included do not mention it?
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> !code
[10:52] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[10:52] <papsk> secondary, will i get the guidence from you?
[10:52] <[chr0n0s] > allam try sudo aptitude install libssl
[10:52] <pvh> could you try a "dumpe2fs /dev/sda1"/
[10:52] <pvh> ?
[10:52] <Amaranth> martin_: If you want to continue this discussion join #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:52] <CorpseFeeder> [chr0n0s] : my card is the Radeon R250 which isn't supported... and goddamn_mac_man tells me I can't use the ati's drivers without xorg7???
[10:52] <Amaranth> nooblar: Pretty much
[10:52] <nooblar> i c
[10:52] <nooblar> /leave
[10:52] <CorpseFeeder> There must be some way to make this card work properly?
[10:53] <winchesterPAT> any one has the UT3 login/ password ?
[10:53] <[chr0n0s] > CorpseFeeder : what all have you tried till now ?
[10:53] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: Ubuntu has xorg 7.something (afaik), the drivers you linked were for xorg 6.8 and xfree 4.3. Neither of which will work with xorg7.whatever (it changes from release to release because the devs are morons)
[10:53] <rob> winchesterPAT, no, but take a look at the games website
[10:53] <tech0007> allam...newer versions are availabel for libssl0, why 0.9.6?
[10:53] <pommer> how do i password protect folders?
[10:53] <winchesterPAT> what games website ?
[10:53] <rob> winchesterPAT, UT3
[10:53] <Amaranth> winchesterPAT: login/password? Wouldn't you get that from a game box?
[10:54] <winchesterPAT> UT3 is still in beta
[10:54] <allam>  tech0007:how i can installed it
[10:54] <Amaranth> pommer: You can change the permissions on the folder so only you and root can access it
[10:54] <rob> winchesterPAT, well, ask whoever gave it to you for the login details
[10:54] <Amaranth> winchesterPAT: Go to where you got it then, I guess
[10:54] <winchesterPAT> you need to have a gamespy acount
[10:55] <winchesterPAT> i dont have
[10:55] <rob> winchesterPAT, you seem to be answering your own question, and this is for Ubuntu support, not UT3 ;)
[10:55] <pommer> but say if i had to leave the computer as it is for the next 9 hours with a over nosey brother in the house how could i hide my wifes folder?
[10:55] <CorpseFeeder> goddamn_mac_man: oh.. ok,  [chr0n0s] : previously I tried to install the drivers from ati for xorg 6.8 and xfree 4.3 (as pointed out by goddamn_mac_man, but that screwed up my computer....
[10:55] <tech0007> use synaptic, change ur settings to force older versions
[10:55] <winchesterPAT> cant remember password
[10:55] <winchesterPAT> login
[10:55] <jotil> pvh: 4KB blocks
[10:55] <pvh> jotil: okay, that helps! thanks!
[10:55] <Amaranth> pommer: rename it to have a period (.) at the start of the name
[10:55] <pvh> i'm thinking i might be able to find a backup superblock that will work here
[10:56] <winchesterPAT> gamespy ducks
[10:56] <Amaranth> pommer: Then it'll only show up if you tell the file browser to show hidden files
[10:56] <winchesterPAT> sucks
[10:56] <Amaranth> pommer: Then just rename it back later
[10:56] <pommer> oh cool. and how do i set browser to view hidden files later?
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> pommer: do not give admin rights to the other user, lock the session, change mod so others cannot read it
[10:56] <Amaranth> pommer: In the View menu or Ctrl-H
[10:57] <rzimek78> how to download source code of a program by apt-get or aptitude?
[10:57] <Amaranth> rzimek78: apt-get source <package>
[10:57] <Zweisteine> rzimek78, apt-get source
[10:57] <soundray> pommer: remove the hard disk drive and take it with you
[10:57] <pommer> thankins you kindly
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> rzimek78: apt-get source <package>
[10:57] <pommer> yeah theres a idea too
[10:57] <pvh> jotil: woah!
[10:57] <goddamn_mac_man> What version of xorg is fesity on right now?
[10:57] <pvh> jotil: breakthrough!
[10:57] <jotil> pvh: helps?
[10:57] <Amaranth> goddamn_mac_man: 7.1
[10:57] <goddamn_mac_man> woot
[10:58] <Amaranth> !info xserver-xorg feisty
[10:58] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1320 kB
[10:58] <Amaranth> oh, 7.2
[10:58] <rzimek78> ok
[10:58] <pommer> bro alrady walked in on us like 5 times.. even with padlocks...doorlock and a warddrobe in front of the door
[10:58] <martin_> Where in ubuntuforums.org do I place suggestion "Make "close" button to close programs instead of going into tray by default"
[10:58] <goddamn_mac_man> damn
[10:58] <pommer> dont really need my bro knowing the ins and out of my wife
[10:58] <Amaranth> pommer: Ok, that discussion is a little offtopic :P
[10:58] <winchesterPAT> why did the apparmour guys got fiered from SUSE ?
[10:58] <goddamn_mac_man> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html <- Was going to suggest that driver but no 7.2 support
[10:58] <soundray> pommer: there is more than one way to read that statement...
[10:58] <pvh> jotil: yeah! i just got the dumpe2fs to work!
[10:58] <soundray> pommer: for the longer term, look at filesystem encryption
[10:59] <pommer> its to the point
[10:59] <pvh> jotil: i think i'm getting close to being able to mount this puppy
[10:59] <winchesterPAT> dump2fs ?
[10:59] <winchesterPAT> dumpe2fs ?
[10:59] <pommer> wifes just 23 and bro is a 40 year old virgin
[10:59] <winchesterPAT> like whats that used for ?
[10:59] <Amaranth> goddamn_mac_man: All ATI cards either have an open source driver that works nicely or are supported with the current version of fglrx on the version of Xorg Ubuntu uses
[10:59] <pvh> winchesterPAT: diagnosing screwed up partitions
[10:59] <pvh> jotil: this calls for more coffee.
[10:59] <rob> martin_, if you are talking about Ubuntu, probably launchpad.net
[10:59] <CorpseFeeder> goddamn_mac_man: that is the same driver I was looking at before
[10:59] <Amaranth> goddamn_mac_man: Also, can you change your nick please?
[10:59] <soundray> pommer: let's stick to the topic
[10:59] <pommer> ahhh. so linux eh
[11:00] <soundray> :)
[11:00] <jotil> winchesterPAT: dump2efs gives information about your efs partition
[11:00] <pommer> looooooooooooonux
[11:00] <goddamn_mac_man> Amaranth: The open source driver didn't work for CorpseFeeder
[11:00] <pommer> good ole linux
[11:00] <Flexyjerkov> would u all say lunix is better than windows
[11:00] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: Why happens when you use the 'ati' driver?
[11:00] <soundray> pommer: stop
[11:00] <pommer> so where is everyone from?
[11:00] <pommer> anybody from the uk?
[11:00] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: That card should definitely be supported
[11:00] <Amaranth> !offtopic | pommer
[11:00] <Flexyjerkov> ye im in uk
[11:00] <ubotu> pommer: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[11:00] <WaltzingAlong> yes
[11:00] <Flexyjerkov> im at work lol
[11:01] <tech0007> im at home :-D
[11:01] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: Windows certain has its advantages but we wouldn't be here if we didn't think Linux was better. :)
[11:01] <pommer> im on topic. im asking if there is anybody from england. due to possible continental linux issues
[11:01] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: nothing I can't get the ati driver to install. The card is not properly supported.
[11:01] <allam> how i can  Install libssl0.9.6 or later ,please
[11:01] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: No no, the driver from ati.com is 'fglrx', the 'ati' driver is the open source one
[11:01] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: he means the built-in xorg ati driver I believe, not the proprioetary one
[11:01] <Tm_T> pommer: ask your question then, people outside of uk might know it too
[11:01] <winchesterPAT> Amaranth: i thought you was here because linux was cheaper n
[11:02] <arcticblue> I am running Gutsy amd64 and trying to install MythTV.  When typing "apt-get install mythtv-backend", I get this error:  mythtv-backend: Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.20.2-0ubuntu10) but 0.20.2-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[11:02] <arcticblue> I am using the "Main" repository
[11:02] <pommer> i have a question. how i get my logitech webcam to work on here with skype. i try make calls and it has no option for video call
[11:02] <arcticblue> Any ideas?
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy | arcticblue
[11:02] <ubotu> arcticblue: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[11:02] <tech0007> arcticblue    #ubuntu+1
[11:02] <allam> how i can  Install libssl0.9.6 or later ,please please
[11:02] <ikonia> arcticblue the package is not ready
[11:02] <Tm_T> pommer: that has nothing to do with being uk or not =)
[11:02] <winchesterPAT> pommer: get lost asshole
[11:03] <Amaranth> !ohmy | winchesterPAT
[11:03] <ubotu> winchesterPAT: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:03] <rob> winchesterPAT, oi, watch the language, we are G rated here :)
[11:03] <ikonia> winchesterPAT: DROP that language
[11:03] <Tm_T> rob: just do what you have to do ;)
[11:03] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: sorry, yeah... the opensource ATI driver fails to support it properly and the fglrx driver doesn't support this card at all... and the correct proprietary drivers for this card form ATI don't support xorg7.2
[11:03] <pommer> well... the other question i have is uk related.. was going to ask someone to come configure it for me since im a workaholic and getting less hours free by the day
[11:03] <winchesterPAT> whats G rated means ?
[11:03] <WaltzingAlong> pommer: try ekiga or kopete. skype for linux does not support video
[11:04] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: yeah, ATi killed support for those old R250 cards in both the Windows and Linux drivers a while back
[11:04] <rob> winchesterPAT, we often have young ones in here, so please don't swear etc
[11:04] <pommer> oh crikey. is kopete multiformat?
[11:04] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: What do you mean 'fails to support it properly'?
[11:04] <andy58> 'lo all
[11:04] <goddamn_mac_man> CorpseFeeder: nVidia did something similar but the ubuntu proprietary driver doohickey sorts it out
[11:04] <CorpseFeeder> So what you people are telling me is that there is no way in hell of getting this video card to work correctly and I am stuck with the limited functionality of the non-working open-source drivers....?
[11:04] <Tm_T> pommer: Kopete supports video with MSN and Yahoo atleast
[11:04] <Amaranth> pommer: Yes, kopete works with AIM, MSN, YIM, etc
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> pommer: through sip you should be able to make video calls so the other side need not use kopete
[11:04] <pommer> nice :D
[11:04] <allam> i want to install yahoo and when i tried toinstall it ,it need this package  libssl0.9.6 ,how i can install it
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> !info kopete
[11:04] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[11:04] <winchesterPAT> so why is it when i swear online thyey say im 10 years old ?
[11:05] <Amaranth> pommer: Yes, kopete works with AIM, MSN, YIM, etc
[11:05] <Amaranth> err
[11:05] <andy58> although I sometimes like the mounted drives appearing on the desktop.. I don't think I want all the FTP servers appearing there.. Is there way to remove them without losing the connection from the folder list ?
[11:05] <crdlb> CorpseFeeder, what exactly is limited about the open source driver?
[11:05] <pommer> brilliant.
[11:05] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: What do you mean 'fails to support it properly'?
[11:05] <winchesterPAT> ERR
[11:05] <goddamn_mac_man> Amaranth: The ABI changes from release to release
[11:05] <pommer> no way to video call through gaim into msn then?
[11:05] <Tm_T> pommer: not that I know
[11:06] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: not properly meaning certain things like no video-out from the TV-out port, graphics don't render properly in some programs, etc.. etc...
[11:06] <Amaranth> goddamn_mac_man: Yes, this happens when you take something that has been stagnant for a decade and update it to current technologies
[11:06] <allam>  i want to install yahoo and when i tried toinstall it ,it need this package  libssl0.9.6 ,how i can install it
[11:06] <pommer> ive been taking snapshots every 2 minutes and sending them to compensate for lack of seeying me full motion like. been a pain in the derrier
[11:06] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: Ah, in that case Ubuntu 7.10 may help you a lot
[11:06] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: I seem to remember something about TV-out support
[11:07] <Amaranth> allam: Just use gaim/pidgin or kopete, no need to install yahoo messenger
[11:07] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: one example is the text in that penguin racer game (Whatever it's called)... none of the text renders in that...
[11:07] <pommer> ive got to be honest in my opinion here. when people fully embrace linux to the extent windows is. i truley beleive theres gunna be a subscription based element to it. cuz i dont beleive people do something for nothing.
[11:08] <pommer> like building the foundation to a future.. investment in the upcoming
[11:08] <Amaranth> allam: You cannot get that package
[11:08] <Amaranth> pommer: If that was true we wouldn't be this far
[11:08] <Amaranth> pommer: People have been doing this stuff for free for 20 years now
[11:08] <Amaranth> pommer: But this is offtopic again
[11:09] <winchesterPAT> im investing in vista
[11:09] <MeRodent> Amaranth, yeah but it's all part of an insidious plot. :)
[11:09] <pommer> vista is pish
[11:09] <goddamn_mac_man> allam: Any particular reason why you want the Yahoo messenger? Gaim is installed with the system and will connect to Yahoo just fine
[11:09] <allam> Amaranth:why man
[11:09] <Amaranth> allam: Because it hasn't existed for at least 2 years
[11:09] <allam> ok
[11:10] <pommer> nobody puts this much time skill and effort into something they dont genuinely want reward from.
[11:10] <pommer> there a ubuntu dance?
[11:10] <Amaranth> pommer: Seriously, join #ubuntu-offtopic or stop this
[11:10] <allam> goddamn_mac_man:how i can log in to yahoo messenger with gaim
[11:10] <goddamn_mac_man> you could create a libssl0.9.6 symlink to whatever the current libssl library is but that's a dirty hack. Just use gaim/pidgin already.
[11:11] <IdleOne> pommer: he reward is that everuday more and more people are using ubuntu for free
[11:11] <Flexyjerkov> do windows dos commands work in terminal?
[11:11] <goddamn_mac_man> Flexyjerkov: like what?
[11:11] <soundray> !cli > Flexyjerkov, please read the pm
[11:11] <Amaranth> goddamn_mac_man: If that was possible it would be done automatically. The ABI changed so things need to be recompiled.
[11:11] <tech0007> allam...pick yahoo in the protocol dropdown
[11:11] <Flexyjerkov> like copy
[11:11] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: The only thing from DOS I can think of that works is 'cd'
[11:11] <dgjones> Flexyjerkov, no
[11:11] <pommer> who funds this? thats all im wondering. even some mirc basic zip coders need money to fund them. basic games too. its like candy to a baby
[11:12] <goddamn_mac_man> Amaranth: No it wouldn't. Linux devs are lazy
[11:12] <Flexyjerkov> lol k
[11:12] <pommer> jus stuff quivering on the mind. ok ill stop
[11:12] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: That's 'cp'
[11:12] <MeRodent> Flexyjerkov, there are different commands. ie cp is equvalent to copy
[11:12] <Flexyjerkov> right, so its simpler lol
[11:12] <MeRodent> Flexyjerkov, no. it's different.
[11:12] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: Well, less keystrokes anyway
[11:12] <Flexyjerkov> so delete is prob del
[11:12] <IdleOne> pommer: Ubuntu is funded by Canonical wich is funded/ was funded by Mark Shuttleworth
[11:12] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: rm
[11:12] <Flexyjerkov> or summet lol
[11:13] <MeRodent> Flexyjerkov, actually rm
[11:13] <pommer> amaranth. can you come configure my ubuntu please
[11:13] <Flexyjerkov> rm is same as windows
[11:13] <martin_> pommer .. Answer to "who funds this" .. either their parents or Mark Shuttleworth for ubuntu
[11:13] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: Some DOS commands come from Unix :)
[11:13] <Flexyjerkov> :P
[11:13] <CorpseFeeder> Is there like a "live" version of gutsy yet?
[11:13] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: Yeah
[11:14] <Flexyjerkov> i find linux irc rooms very different to the normal gamer channels, everyone is refered to by name lol
[11:14] <monkeywraith> i was having a problem with audacity and the audacity wiki told me to use the following command, which broke it further ... i am not overly worried about audacity, i just wondered what dsp files are originally there and how to set them back up:        $ rm /dev/dsp;ln -s /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp  #also try /dev/dsp1,2,etc.
[11:14] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/710rc#head-eaf26ea8b3c8adb8145f9a66aa8aeb131ecb06c9
[11:14] <horsnelm> hey anyone had problems with sound and the snd_intel8x0 module, I'm getting nothing out of my speakers in gutsy
[11:14] <IdleOne> Flexyjerkov:  in a channel this big and with this much scrol you need to be reffered to by nick or you would miss have of it
[11:14] <MeRodent> Flexyjerkov, that's because there are about 1000 people here. and it gets confusing to understand where you're at otherwise.
[11:14] <tech0007> horsnelm....#ubuntu+1
[11:15] <soundray> !intelhda > horsnelm, please read the private message from ubotu
[11:15] <ikonia> monkeywraith that won't work as ubuntu uses udev to create device nodes dynamically
[11:15] <Psi-Jack> Anyone know of a decent alarm clock program?
[11:15] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: It's quite easy to lose messages in the noise when a page of text only covers a minute or so
[11:15] <ikonia> Psi-Jack: ther is kalarm in kde, but I've been searching for something other than cron in gmoe for a while
[11:15] <tsurc> does anyone know how I can start an installation of ubuntu with ssh support (So I can stick the cd/dvd in the drive then go back to my office to finish the install)?
[11:16] <monkeywraith> ikonia, so by the same token, i do not have to worry about what i did screwing anything up?
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> Right now, all I got is a basic kalarm to call an alarm script that fires up rhythmbox, sets volumes every 15 seconds to pan it up, etc..
[11:16] <soundray> Psi-Jack, ikonia: I'm completely happy with 'at'
[11:16] <Amaranth> monkeywraith: Was the problem '/dev/dsp is busy'? If so you need to close all other sound playing apps and possibly even run 'killall esd'
[11:16] <Psi-Jack> soundray: At's okay, but there's no snooze. :p
[11:16] <Flexyjerkov> does neone think linux will one day be a big OS?
[11:16] <Flexyjerkov> as ubuntu is making its mark slowly
[11:16] <rapid> lol
[11:17] <soundray> Psi-Jack: you can script snooze
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> Flexyjerkov: It is, already.
[11:17] <soundray> Psi-Jack: don't take the bait please
[11:17] <Psi-Jack> soundray: I guess it's something I'll have to progress on.
[11:17] <Flexyjerkov> i mean for standard home users
[11:17] <monkeywraith> audacity was just saying 'error opening audio device. check output device settings and project sample rate.' ... when i check the settings, there is not output device in the list to select
[11:17] <Amaranth> Flexyjerkov: Slow and steady wins the race. :)
[11:18] <IdleOne> Flexyjerkov: /join #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish to discuss how big Linux is
[11:18] <Athreya> jotil: Hey
[11:18] <Psi-Jack> Heh, anyway. ;)
[11:18] <Psi-Jack> I guess what I got for now, will work.
[11:19] <theAtom> I found a solutuon silent
[11:19] <Psi-Jack> I'll likely make some kind of GUI to call instead, once I figure out how, enough. *chuckles*
[11:19] <jotil> Athreya: hey dude.. you had that permission issue yesterday right?
[11:19] <Athreya> yep
[11:19] <Athreya> i wanted to thank ya
[11:19] <Athreya> i reinstalled
[11:19] <Athreya> :P
[11:19] <theAtom> found fix for openoffice errors
[11:19] <chimaera> occasionally, shutdown hangs and doesn't power off my powerbook. after the splash i get some lines relating to networkmanager..
[11:19] <Athreya> and now, i cant mount my ntfs partitions...plus i still got permission issues
[11:19] <Athreya> lol
[11:20] <Athreya> am installing ntfs 3
[11:20] <Psi-Jack> soundray, ikonia: Thanks. Now I'm off to sleep. hehe
[11:20] <theAtom> turned CLOCK FORWARD 1 day and apt-get upgrade!  FIXED :)
[11:20] <jotil> Athreya: installing ntfs-3g worked for me
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> !ntfs-3g
[11:20] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:21] <tech0007> theAtom....thats great!
[11:21] <Athreya> am trying...will keep you posted.
[11:21] <Athreya> i was trying to setup the ssh thing with usser...got disconnected. by the time i got back...both of you were gone
[11:21] <tech0007> theAtom...will remember that in case it happens to me (knock on wood)
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, remember me and my problem?
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, So I simply changed the date in ubuntu (using right mouse click on the clock) by forwarding it one day. Then I was able to finalize the installation using "sudo apt-get upgrade". After that I reset local time to my actual time again.
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, what would cause that to happen in first place anyway?
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I've been using WinAmp with WinAlarm, for so long, I'm not used to having anything less, right now. *chuckles*
[11:22] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: Are you downloading the Ubuntu 7.10 RC Desktop disc?
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, who would have ever thought about turning clock forward ONE DAY to fix it
[11:22] <jotil> Athreya: i had to sleep.. usser probably ran away
[11:22] <Athreya> lol
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, im sure it will happen to others.  simple fix, clock forward one day
[11:22] <theAtom> tech0007, any ideas why that works?
[11:22] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: yeah I may do that'
[11:23] <Athreya> anyways...thanks for helping me out yesterday mate
[11:23] <Athreya> appreciate it
[11:23] <tech0007> theAtom ... no clue
[11:23] <CorpseFeeder> Amaranth: I was just reading...
[11:23] <jotil> Athreya: but it's a good idea to have shhd installed. so you can remotely access your system.
[11:23] <Athreya> k
[11:23] <Athreya> will do
[11:23] <Tm_T> !fi > tuna-fish
[11:23] <Amaranth> CorpseFeeder: Ah, well the ati driver included with it is supposed to support tv-out so hopefully it'll help you.
[11:23] <theAtom> tech0007, weird, but works now!  so now openoffice doesnt give errors at updating
[11:23] <theAtom> tech0007, :)
[11:23] <tuna-fish> Tm_T: ???
[11:24] <Tm_T> tuna-fish: see msg from ubotu
[11:24] <theAtom> tech0007, remember it in case someone else asks you about it
[11:24] <tech0007> theAtom...okie
[11:24] <theAtom> tech0007, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-532154.html
[11:24] <tuna-fish> k
[11:25] <theAtom> tech0007, says: I think the main problem is that Feisty believes the computer's internal clock works using UTC.
[11:25] <Amaranth> theAtom: I think it asks you that during the install
[11:25] <theAtom> Amaranth, asks what?
[11:25] <Amaranth> theAtom: If the system clock is set to UTC
[11:26] <theAtom> Amaranth, i didnt ask me
[11:26] <Amaranth> theAtom: Ah
[11:26] <ikonia> Amaranth: it does, it even shows you a map where you can select the time region your in
[11:26] <theAtom> Amaranth, what is UTC anyway?
[11:26] <Amaranth> theAtom: Well, your system clock _should_ be set to UTC :)
[11:26] <mattfletcher> does anyone know if it is possible to use a mysql database to provide login authentication for a network of machiens?
[11:26] <tech0007> Amaranth: theAtom  didnt notice that either
[11:26] <theAtom> ikonia, not in all installations
[11:26] <ikonia> theAtom: which installation method doesn't ?
[11:26] <theAtom> i didnt use livecd installaion
[11:26] <theAtom> i used the text version
[11:27] <ikonia> theAtom: the alternate asks you in a curses windows
[11:27] <Amaranth> theAtom: Also known as GMT, Greenwich Mean Time. It's the reference point for all other timezones. American Central Time is GMT-6, for example.
[11:27] <theAtom> ikonia, didnt ask me as far I recall
[11:27] <ikonia> theAtom: I think you must have missed it
[11:27] <theAtom> Amaranth, how do I change that now?
[11:27] <theAtom> ikonia, maybe
[11:27] <ikonia> tzselect
[11:27] <ikonia> /etc/localtime
[11:27] <Amaranth> theAtom: In BIOS
[11:27] <theAtom> what should It be for me?  I live in Sydney AU
[11:27] <Amaranth> Mon Oct 15 09:26:24 UTC 2007
[11:27] <theAtom> Amaranth, im not changing bios!
[11:28] <Athreya> jotil: breaking my head about installing xmblackberry & barry now...
[11:28] <Athreya> using google as much as i can...let's see how that turns out
[11:28] <soundray> theAtom: if your BIOS time runs on local, change the line in /etc/default/rcS to read UTC=no
[11:28] <Meroigo> If I have installed a ubuntu server on a slow computer (like 500 Mhz Intel, 128 MB RAM) and its hard drive haven't got much space, and I want to have a GUI for it, is xubuntu-desktop the best alternative? Doesn't there exsist a ubuntu GUI without all openoffice stuff, games etc etc that I don't need on a server?
[11:28] <tech0007> theAtom..where u in AU?
[11:28] <theAtom> tech0007, Sydney
[11:29] <yassine_> irc: gus.multitel.be/#novaom
[11:29] <tech0007> theAtom..http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
[11:29] <theAtom> im confused!  whats UTC exactly?
[11:29] <soundray> theAtom: coordinated universal time
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> Meroigo: xfce (xubuntu) is perhaps the best "full desktop" but otherwise you could just toss fluxbox or such on there
[11:29] <theAtom> soundray, how does that affect ubuntu?
[11:29] <soundray> theAtom: roughly equivalent to GMT (Greenwich mean time)
[11:30] <Meroigo> WaltzingAlong> is it easy? Can it be done through apt-get? ^^
[11:30] <soundray> theAtom: on bootup, Ubuntu reads the BIOS time and sets the clock accordingly, either correcting or not correcting for your timezone
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> Meroigo: sudo aptitude install fluxbox            or sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop              done
[11:30] <jotil> Athreya: no clue about those
[11:30] <soundray> theAtom: if UTC is yes, and you
[11:30] <theAtom> soundray, what?
[11:31] <soundray> theAtom: sorry
[11:31] <Meroigo> is fluxbox xubuntu but without all the desktop applications?
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info fluxbox | Meroigo
[11:31] <ubotu> meroigo: fluxbox: Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+1.0rc2-1 (feisty), package size 899 kB, installed size 2888 kB
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> Meroigo:
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> no
[11:31] <soundray> theAtom: if UTC is yes, and your time zone is Sydney, it'll add the appropriate number of hours to the BIOS time and display it as the system time.
[11:32] <soundray> theAtom: what do you get when you type 'date'?
[11:32] <theAtom> Mon Oct 15 19:32:20 EST 2007
[11:32] <theAtom> soundray, Mon Oct 15 19:32:20 EST 2007
[11:33] <mattfletcher> does anyone know if it is possible to use a mysql database to provide login authentication for a network of machines? i.e: can NIS/similar use mysql as its data source?
[11:33] <tux97> hi
[11:33] <theAtom> how can I add PGP to ubuntu?
[11:33] <tech0007> theAtom.....at the specified time, local time in Sydney was 10 hours ahead of UTC
[11:33] <ikonia> mattfletcher thats a debatable question, the short answer is no, the long answer is based around custom pam modules
[11:34] <theAtom> tech0007, well that explains why changing date to ONE DAY in future fixed my updrading
[11:34] <jatt> !gpg
[11:34] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[11:34] <theAtom> tech0007, I changed date back to today!  will this be ok now?
[11:34] <soundray> theAtom: you should run 'sudo tzconfig' and set the timezone right. Then you should reboot, enter BIOS setup and set the system time to UTC (Sydney minus 10 hours).
[11:34] <theAtom> soundray, why?
[11:34] <theAtom> soundray, what will happen if I dont?
[11:35] <tux97> is everyone going to upgrade ubuntu in a few days?
[11:35] <goddamn_mac_man> I've never set any of my PC clocks to GMT. Never seen the point.
[11:35] <soundray> theAtom: you will get more of the kind of problems you already had a taste of.
[11:35] <theAtom> soundray, sudo: tzconfig: command not found
[11:35] <soundray> theAtom: sudo tzselect if you're on gutsy
[11:36] <Nedski> Hey all, whats the terminal command to find the ip of the machine?
[11:36] <tux97> ifconfig
[11:36] <Athreya> jotil: sorry for bugging you again...could you help me with the rw command you gave me yesterday please?
[11:36] <goddamn_mac_man> Nedski: ifconfig
[11:36] <Nedski> sweet thanks
[11:36] <Athreya> for the ext3 partitions
[11:36] <theAtom> ok I ran sudo tzselect
[11:36] <Nedski> thought it was ipconfig
[11:36] <soundray> theAtom: if you want your BIOS to run on Sydney time, still make the settings I recommended, but change UTC to no in /etc/default/rcS
[11:36] <theAtom> soundray, I then told it Sydney. AU
[11:36] <goddamn_mac_man> Nedski: That's Windows ;)
[11:36] <tech0007> Nedski....thats for windoze
[11:37] <tux97> nedski ipconfig is windows
[11:37] <theAtom> soundray, whats next step?
[11:37] <soundray> theAtom: good. Now edit rcS and change UTC to no
[11:37] <jotil> Athreya: what do you want to do again?
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> InterFace config
[11:37] <pvh> Nedski: it stands for "interface config"
[11:37] <theAtom> Therefore TZ='Australia/Sydney' will be used.
[11:37] <theAtom> Local time is now:      Mon Oct 15 19:36:08 EST 2007.
[11:37] <theAtom> Universal Time is now:  Mon Oct 15 09:36:08 UTC 2007.
[11:37] <Athreya> permissions...
[11:37] <Athreya> same problem mate...
[11:37] <Nedski> thanks everyone
[11:37] <pvh> Nedski: and i always type the wrong one first no matter which OS i'm using
[11:37] <jotil> what permissions? read/write/execute for everyone?
[11:37] <Nedski> is everyone excited about Gutsy?
[11:37] <Athreya> r/w/e for me first...i;m the only user
[11:38] <Nedski> Im installing ubuntu on my bosses machine!
[11:38] <tux97> i dont know if i am
[11:38] <pvh> Nedski: i'm not. i'm running it, and it's causing me all kinds of problems.
[11:38] <soundray> Nedski: discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:38] <jotil> ok
[11:38] <Nedski> soundray.. about gutsy?
[11:38] <theAtom> soundray, it already says: UTC=no
[11:38] <pvh> Nedski: though i admit freely my current problem is not gutsy's fault
[11:38] <tech0007> Nedski...not me...im willing to wait til its released
[11:38] <soundray> Nedski: this is the support channel for *released* versions of ubuntu
[11:38] <WaltzingAlong> !gutsy
[11:38] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[11:38] <theAtom> soundray, it already says: UTC=no.  Is that by default?
[11:39] <Nedski> okies well thanks people
[11:39] <tux97> so tech0007 so your going to upgrade in a few days?
[11:39] <soundray> theAtom: no. Normally it's set to yes
[11:39] <tech0007> tux97....yup
[11:39] <theAtom> soundray, well I just loaded etc/default/rcS, and it says:  UTC=no
[11:39] <soundray> theAtom: but that's fine. I would still reboot and check the time that's set in the BIOS setup.
[11:39] <tux97> so do we have to do a complete install of it or can we do a upgrade?
[11:39] <theAtom> soundray, did running sudo tzselect change it?
[11:39] <jotil> Athreya: you are the file/directory owner?
[11:39] <soundray> theAtom: no.
[11:39] <goddamn_mac_man> tux97: you can upgrade
[11:40] <tech0007> tux97...il try the upgrade 1st...clean install if it doesnt work out
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, load my BIOS and check it for what?
[11:40] <Athreya> erm...i reinstalled....created/formatted new partitions...
[11:40] <Athreya> shouldnt i be the owner by default?
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, check the time is my local sydney time?
[11:40] <Cyber_Stalker> can some one help me, i get "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" on startup
[11:40] <soundray> theAtom: don't worry about it, though. Now that UTC is set to no, you want to check that your BIOS time is set to Sydney time.
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, in BIOS?
[11:40] <jotil> Athreya: man chmod
[11:40] <soundray> theAtom: yes
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, ok ill look
[11:40] <tux97> ok just making sure i dont want to have to redue this laptop agian lol
[11:40] <theAtom> bbl
[11:40] <soundray> theAtom: hold on
[11:40] <Athreya> aahh yes...sudo chmod /nowamlost
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, ty for your help/
[11:40] <theAtom> soundray, yes?
[11:41] <jotil> Athreya: read that first, i'll help you with the exact command
[11:41] <jotil> ;)
[11:41] <Athreya> Yay
[11:41] <Athreya> thanks man
[11:41] <soundray> theAtom: just to emphasize -- this is the setting that, although you seem to prefer it, is somewhat non-standard.
[11:41] <soundray> theAtom: this means that you may run into trouble when there are switches to/from daylight saving time.
[11:41] <theAtom> soundray, of course I prefer my local time, why not?
[11:41] <soundray> theAtom: ^^
[11:42] <theAtom> soundray, why should I change my clock to USA time?
[11:42] <theAtom> soundray, then I ewill never know the local time :P
[11:42] <goddamn_mac_man> theAtom: UTC is based on GMT which is English, not American ;)
[11:42] <goddamn_mac_man> theAtom: the os can fix the local time if it knows the hardware time is UTC
[11:42] <soundray> theAtom: UTC is a world-wide reference. It's not USA time (UTC happens to be London, UK time, non-DST)
[11:42] <theAtom> goddamn_mac_man, i think your nick is inappropriate
[11:42] <gordonjcp> 10:42 < goddamn_mac_man> theAtom: UTC is based on GMT which is English
[11:43] <gordonjcp> s/English/British
[11:43] <soundray> theAtom: your system will always show the local time now that you've made those settings.
[11:43] <theAtom> soundray, sorry, i dont understand
[11:43] <theAtom> soundray, ok!  so what shall I do now?
[11:43] <goddamn_mac_man> gordonjcp: scot?
[11:43] <tech0007> goddamn_mac_man...how many people asked u to changed ur nick today?  :)
[11:43] <soundray> theAtom: just go with the settings we've made now. Check the BIOS time and make sure it's set to Sydney.
[11:44] <theAtom> soundray, and after that?
[11:44] <theAtom> soundray, nothing?
[11:44] <kidalabama> hello i have got problem
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> !ask | kidalabama
[11:44] <ubotu> kidalabama: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:44] <soundray> theAtom: if you do run into trouble at some point, you can always chance UTC to yes and your BIOS time to UTC.
 hello i have got problem <-- we can tell by your nick ;)
[11:44] <theAtom> soundray, LOL! dont confuse me
[11:44] <kidalabama> my mailbox is coming crontab mail
[11:45] <soundray> theAtom: if you stopped talking to others and listened to me, it would be easier.
[11:45] <kidalabama> subject line Cron <root@alp2-laptop> cd /usr/share/dtc/admin && nice -n+20 /usr/share/dtc/admin/rrdtool.sh >> /var/log/dtc.log
[11:45] <theAtom> soundray, if run into trouble at some point, i will do what I did today, turn clock 1 day forward, apt-get upgrade. then change clocl back :)
[11:45] <theAtom> kalleskaviar, hur mor du?
[11:45] <kidalabama> text line cd: 1: can't cd to /usr/share/dtc/admin
[11:45] <soundray> theAtom: okay, seems I've wasted my time on you.
[11:45] <theAtom> soundray, not at all!  u gave me a good command which I did
[11:45] <kidalabama> i am removed dtc package .
[11:45] <kalleskaviar> heh, fine atom thanks. How are you ?
[11:46] <theAtom> kalleskaviar, bra ;)
[11:46] <theAtom> soundray, thanks for all your patience and help
[11:46] <theAtom> soundray, im confident its all fixed now
[11:47] <kidalabama> ubotu:  i am controlled crontab but i cant find
[11:47] <theAtom> soundray, u ok? :)
[11:47] <kidalabama> cd: 1: can't cd to /usr/share/dtc/admin
[11:47] <kidalabama> 0 * * * * /etc/webmin/bandwidth/rotate.pl
[11:47] <kidalabama> 1 3 * * * /etc/webmin/cron/tempdelete.pl
[11:47] <ikonia> kidalabama: ubotu is a bot
[11:47] <soundray> theAtom: yeah yeah
[11:47] <tech0007> :)
[11:48] <kidalabama> ikonia: thank you
[11:49] <lewis1711> hello all. ever since installing the KDE desktop I have not been able to change my screen resolution and it's been stuck in 640x480. my video driver is still enabled but now none of my desktop environments let me change resolution.  To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:50] <soundray> lewis1711: when you reconfigure xserver-xorg, make sure you make the right settings about the monitor
[11:51] <lewis1711> right settings about the monitor? maybe I didn't reconfigure it at all.:S I just typed the reconfigure thing in the command line and restarted. er. hmm.
[11:51] <lewis1711> ok
[11:51] <soundray> lewis1711: ideally, you'd find out the horizontal sync and vertical refresh frequencies from the docs, and feed those to the wizard under "Advanced" monitor settings
[11:51] <theAtom> soundray, can I keep this version of 7.10 even after the 18th?  Or I need to download the final version and install it?
[11:52] <pvh> jotil: i can dumpe2fs it but not mount it
[11:52] <soundray> theAtom: you can use update-manager to bring it up to date with a few downloads.
[11:52] <lewis1711> ah. soundray do you have any idea why my monitor would work perfectly before though? I will try that.
[11:52] <soundray> theAtom: it'll even alert you.
[11:52] <theAtom> ok
[11:52] <pvh> jotil: but when i try to mount it, it says it needs to be e2fscked at least
[11:52] <soundray> lewis1711: you had gnome before?
[11:52] <theAtom> soundray, :)
[11:52] <theAtom> bye
[11:52] <pvh> jotil: so i'm going to wait for the backup to finish and then try and see what happens
[11:52] <theAtom> thanks again for your help
[11:52] <soundray> theAtom: good luck
[11:52] <pvh> jotil: which should be any moment now
[11:52] <theAtom> bye soundray and tech0007 :)  very helpful today the both of u. cheers
[11:53] <theAtom> soundray, thanks :)
[11:53] <jotil> pvh: doing a dd?
[11:53] <theAtom> bye
[11:53] <tech0007> :)
[11:53] <lewis1711> soundray, was using both gnome and xfce4 with no probs
[11:53] <soundray> lewis1711: you may have inadvertently rewritten your /etc/X11/xorg.conf as you installed packages
[11:54] <lewis1711> ahh
[11:55] <soundray> lewis1711: the command 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' opens a wizard that lets you configure X.  I can't find any glade file
[11:57] <lewis1711> I have the xconfigure-xserver thing open. what next?:/
[11:57] <kidalabama>  Cron <root@alp2-laptop> cd /usr/share/dtc/admin && nice -n+20 /usr/share/dtc/admin/rrdtool.sh >> /var/log/dtc.log
[11:57] <kidalabama>  cd: 1: can't cd to /usr/share/dtc/admi
[11:57] <soundray> lewis1711: have you got your monitor specs?
[11:57] <soundray> !repeat | kidalabama
[11:57] <ubotu> kidalabama: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:57] <t3318_> anyone know how to customize GCompris interface? I can't find any glade file
[11:57] <lewis1711> alas no. I am a poor student and this monitor is some ancient secondhand CRT pos;)
[11:58] <furiozo> i am lamer
[11:58] <soundray> lewis1711: what resolution do you want to use?
[11:58] <lewis1711> 1024x768
[11:58] <smekerce> SASAD;DAWDIOP DOPIAPDISOADPSADW]
[11:58] <soundray> lewis1711: do you have the model name and number there?
[11:59] <smekerce> VLERA
[11:59] <soundray> smekerce: don't do this please. Do you have a question relating to ubuntu?
[11:59] <smekerce> KASAMI
[11:59] <lewis1711> ViewSonic E70. looks about 10 years old;)
[11:59] <smekerce> ADASDWDSDAW
[11:59] <soundray> lewis1711: give me a second
[11:59] <smekerce> ADWSDAWDAWADSASA
[11:59] <smekerce> HG
[11:59] <smekerce> HF
[11:59] <smekerce> HGHF
[11:59] <smekerce> HG
[11:59] <smekerce> FH
[11:59] <smekerce> FHG
[11:59] <soundray> Amaranth: still here?
[11:59] <smekerce> FHG
[11:59] <smekerce> FGH
[11:59] <c> haqim
[11:59] <smekerce> FHG
[11:59] <soundray> !ops | smekerce spamming
[11:59] <smekerce> F
[11:59] <ubotu> smekerce spamming: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
[11:59] <smekerce> HF
[11:59] <c> blok
[12:00] <soundray> Thanks Mez, he's quit
[12:00] <c> une jom djal i bukur det ci
[12:00] <lewis1711> all this spamming is wrecking havoc on my 640x480 display:D:D
[12:01] <tarelerulz> my wireless card works under windows and It don't work under ubuntu ,but it did work  and I use ndiswrapper and windows drivers for it.  Now my wireless card don't work and I can connect o my wireless router . I was thinking about use  static ip  subnet mast and default gateway  for ubuntu . I am wondering is that a good idea or anyone thing I would take more ?
[12:03] <soundray> lewis1711: go through the wizard and accept all the defaults. When you get to the monitor settings, select the "Advanced" mode. For horizsync, enter "30-70". For vertrefresh, enter "50-160" (not the quotes, just the numbers)
[12:03] <gordonjcp> oh, speaking of resolutions, is there a way to set the screen refresh rate from the command line?
[12:04] <lewis1711> soundray, okay here's the thing. xconfigure doesn't come up with wizard for me. it asks me to select what company graphics card I have, tells me to enter a name, and then it stops.
[12:04] <pvh> jotil: yeah, i think my dd is almost done
[12:04] <soundray> gordonjcp: not really. Based on your xorg settings, it will select the highest refresh that's compatible at startup.
[12:05] <pvh> jotil: yep, just another minute or so left
[12:05] <soundray> lewis1711: in that case, see if you can manage to put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:06] <comicinker> hi!
[12:06] <jotil> pvh: i am curious. should it work, i will know what to do in such situations.
[12:06] <gordonjcp> soundray: actually, it doesn't seem to pay any attention to my xorg.conf settings at all
[12:06] <thelonecabbage> Is there a way to have xinemera detect when an external monitor is plugged into a laptop and only extend the screen then?
[12:06] <comicinker> I have a little problem with tracker: it cannot find anything, but it is all already indexed. can somebody help me?
[12:06] <pvh> jotil: yeah. i'll keep you in the loop. are you a regular in this channel?
[12:07] <tarelerulz> The  ip and subnet mast and the default , I am getting it from the wireless connection under windows  so I know they work ,but I don't know if the Linux  program works like that if it can't auto find those settings.  What I am asking  really is I can get the ip and subnet mask and default for my wireless connect ,but I get them automatically from the router if I imputed  those in ubuntu as static setting would that work or be likey to work
[12:07] <soundray> gordonjcp: what's your graphics card and driver?
[12:07] <jotil> pvh: i will hopefully become.
[12:07] <comicinker> can somebody help me with my tracker problem?
[12:07] <soundray> lewis1711: what does the screen look like -- does it go back to the command prompt?
[12:08] <pvh> jotil: well, hopefully you'll have the opportunity to pass the knowledge on then
[12:08] <soundray> comicinker: ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[12:08] <gordonjcp> soundray: some flavour of geforce 4, nvidia binary driver
[12:08] <gordonjcp> soundray: it's mostly ok, but when I exit RTCW:ET it leaves the screen set to 1680x1050/50Hz
[12:08] <jotil> pvh: irc help channels are such good places to learn
[12:08] <gordonjcp> and I'd like it to leave it on 1680x1050/55Hz
[12:08] <soundray> gordonjcp: give /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz a good read
[12:08] <pvh> jotil: depends
[12:09] <jotil> lol
[12:09] <lewis1711> soundray, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40691/
[12:09] <gordonjcp> soundray: did that, didn't see anything massively helpful
[12:09] <pvh> jotil: you've got to ask questions people know the answers to but aren't sick of answering
[12:09] <gordonjcp> soundray: I figured the easiest way would be to work out what the screen res selector does, and stick that at the end of the wrapper that runs et
[12:09] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[12:09] <jotil> pvh: agreed
[12:10] <SuperLag> gordonjcp: try commenting out the entries for nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[12:10] <smmagic> Anyone remember how to register?
[12:10] <soundray> lewis1711: that's not what I needed. Do a 'gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and copy and paste the entire file.
[12:10] <SuperLag> gordonjcp: and reboot
[12:10] <theAtom> Is it possible to install Opera on Gutsy?
[12:10] <RZIM> where would i get Event.pm ? for Irc
[12:10] <soundray> lewis1711: to that site of course
[12:10] <jotil> theAtom: googled it?
[12:10] <smmagic> Why does it keep telling me to wait 120 secs before register
[12:11] <theAtom> jotil, Opera website doesnt have a version for Gutsy. only for Feisty
[12:11] <pvh> theAtom: this is really an #ubuntu+1 conversation, but it probably works fine
[12:11] <tech0007> theAtom...ask pipz from #ubuntu+1..maybe they know somethin
[12:11] <SuperLag> theAtom: jotil: Opera works for me
[12:11] <jotil> smmagic: because you registered another nick just a bit ago?
[12:11] <lewis1711> ha, oh right, sorry soundray, must be close to that time of the night;)
[12:11] <lewis1711> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/40693/
[12:11] <Z1mmY> anyone know
[12:11] <smmagic> Nope
[12:11] <smmagic> What do I type again
[12:11] <theAtom> tech0007, ok :)
[12:12] <smmagic> I probably messed up
[12:12] <jotil> SuperLag: the feisty one?
[12:12] <theAtom> SuperLag, what ubuntu u use?
[12:12] <ePax> Is it possible to watch web-tv with miro? Or some other program?
[12:12] <SuperLag> jotil: yep
[12:13] <SuperLag> theAtom: Feisty originally, but I upgraded to Gutsy
[12:13] <soundray> lewis1711: what do you get from 'ls -rt /etc/X11/xorg.conf?* | tail -n 1'?
[12:14] <smmagic> There we are
[12:14] <lewis1711> soundray, terminal just comes back with ls -rt /etc/X11/xorg.conf?* | tail -n 1
[12:14] <lewis1711> whoops
[12:14] <lewis1711> I mean
[12:15] <lewis1711> it comes up with nothing
[12:15] <SuperLag> jotil: I didn't build it from source. I used the .deb file for Feisty, and did dpkg -i thatdotdebfile.deb (don't remember it's exact name)
[12:15] <lewis1711> nothing happens
[12:15] <soundray> lewis1711: just returns the prompt?
[12:16] <lewis1711> yes
[12:16] <lewis1711> returns the prompt sounds better than nothing happens. *writes that one down*;)
[12:16] <SuperLag> soundray: out of curiosity, why have him return tail on issuing an ls command?
[12:16] <jotil> SuperLag: thank you for the information
[12:16] <SuperLag> jotil: certainly
[12:17] <soundray> lewis1711: "nothing happens" could mean it's waiting for input
[12:17] <SuperLag> soundray: aren't you wanting him to get the output of a file's contents, rather than a directory listing?
[12:17] <lewis1711> ah
[12:17] <soundray> SuperLag: I wanted the most recent xorg.conf backup, if any
[12:17] <SuperLag> soundray: ahh... okay. Makes more sense. :)
[12:18] <joelito> anyone knows what today's gutsy updates were for?
[12:18] <lewis1711> soundray can I just replace 640x480 in my config file with what I want?
[12:18] <soundray> lewis1711: I think your xorg.conf is the result of running nvidiaconfig or a similar utility. Can you recall doing that?
[12:19] <lewis1711> no. I installed the nvidea driver, that's it. and I did nothing in kde except let synaptic install it and try and change my screen resolution
[12:19] <SuperLag> soundray: I had issues with Nvidia, as well. Commenting out the entries for nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video did the trick. However, this assumes you already have a viable xorg.conf from some means.
[12:20] <SuperLag> lewis1711: how did you install the nvidia driver?
[12:20] <soundray> SuperLag: do you happen to know the true name of the nvidia utility that creates the config file?
[12:21] <SuperLag> I believe it is nvidia-xconfig
[12:21] <lewis1711> superlag, through restricted driver manager
[12:21] <ikonia> SuperLag: I didn't think that actually created a config file, just in memory
[12:21] <soundray> lewis1711: please try running that, ie. gksudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:22] <SuperLag> ikonia: It does create a file, and backs up your current file
[12:22] <dag_> I removed Adobe program first then Wine, now I'm stuck with folder under "Programs" on the bar. Under "Programs" I find "Wine > Adobe > Blabla > Blabla.exe" How I remove it?
[12:22] <jotil> nvidia-xconfig it is
[12:22] <dag_> Completly.
[12:22] <jotil> heh
[12:22] <soundray> Thanks jotil
[12:22] <jetscreamer> update-menus
[12:22] <dag_> jetscreamer: how i do this? i have ubuntu 7.10
[12:23] <erUSUL> dag_: right click on the menu and choose edit
[12:23] <erUSUL> !gutsy | dag_
[12:23] <ubotu> dag_: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 18th, 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[12:23] <lewis1711> soundray, I've done that, it seems to have all gone through, ( backed up file, new x configuration file written etc)
[12:23] <[per0las] > is there some oher software that not the amsn or mercury that suport webcam?!
[12:23] <dag_> erUSUL: found it. thanks.
[12:23] <SuperLag> lewis1711: humor me.
[12:23] <soundray> lewis1711: did you get to make any resolution settings?
[12:24] <SuperLag> lewis1711: comment out the entries for nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[12:24] <soundray> SuperLag: I don't think that fixes any problem that lewis1711 has
[12:24] <lewis1711> I'm not sure what comment out means, sorry SuperLag
[12:25] <lewis1711> oh
[12:25] <soundray> lewis1711: let's worry about this later.
[12:25] <lewis1711> soundray, I got to make no resolution settings
[12:25] <soundray> lewis1711: did you get to make any resolution settings in the config utility?
[12:25] <lewis1711> wait...the config utility?
[12:25] <dag_> How can I remove "Examples" folder in the home folder?
[12:25] <pvh> jotil: wish me luck. later.
[12:26] <lewis1711> as in, the text config file?
[12:26] <soundray> lewis1711: no, as in gksudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:26] <jotil> pvh: best of luck dude. later.
[12:26] <SuperLag> soundray: http://pastie.caboo.se/107275
[12:26] <lewis1711> no, it just gave me
[12:26] <lewis1711> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[12:26] <lewis1711> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[12:26] <lewis1711> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:26] <lewis1711> and that was that
[12:26] <lewis1711> whoops sorry
[12:26] <SuperLag> soundray: that was the *only* way I've been able to get Nvidia to work on Gutsy, in spite of all other efforts
[12:27] <Odd-rationale> dag_: right-click and select ""Move to trash."
[12:27] <lewis1711> Superlag, Nvidia was working absolutely fine before I installed KDE. but I'm in feisty.
[12:27] <soundray> SuperLag: nvidia works for lewis1711 though. Just not at the right resolution
[12:27] <jotil> SuperLag: after the upgrade the nvidia broke?
[12:28] <SuperLag> jotil: yep, for me
[12:28] <lewis1711> yeah, I can only get one resolution. before i nstalled kde I could use whatever reso I wanted
[12:28] <dag_> Odd-rationale: that dont work!
[12:28] <Odd-rationale> dag_:Are you using the Live CD?
[12:28] <dag_> no
[12:28] <SuperLag> dag_: ALT-F2, run alacarte, and in that menu right-click on the entry you want to get rid of, and select Delete
[12:29] <soundray> lewis1711: could you pastebin the output of 'ls /etc/X11' please
[12:29] <a-atwood_> lewis1711: just for future reference, make an RCS dir there instead of a backup and do 'ci -l' on the file.  version control: it's a beautiful thing.  8)
[12:30] <dag_> SuperLag: It's not there. It's in my Home folder, the folder "Examples" that always follows Ubuntu, want that to be gone.
[12:30] <JediMaster> Hi guys, is it possible to use rsync via ssh to copy files and retain the original uid/gid when there is no password set on the root user, as this normally requires root privs?
[12:30] <ikonia> JediMaster you will return the uid/gid with te preserve permissions option, however that is worthless if the uid/gid mapping to user is not the same on the target machine
[12:30] <SuperLag> dag_: where does that show up at, that you're wanting to get rid of it?
[12:31] <SuperLag> dag_: only in your home folder?
[12:31] <dag_> SuperLag: homefolder/username folder
[12:31] <dag_> yes
[12:31] <g0dd3ss> hai friendz ihave feisty with gnome, if i install kde from synaptic will i get to choose between the two
[12:31] <dag_> SuperLag: /usr/share/example-content
[12:31] <SuperLag> dag_: rm -rf ~/Examples
[12:31] <JediMaster> ikonia: that's not a problem, I have transferred them across to a backup machine with uid/gid intact, but it's getting them back on to the ubuntu machine that is the issue
[12:31] <WaltzingAlong> g0dd3ss: yes
[12:31] <soundray> g0dd3ss: yes, at the gdm login you can choose a session.
[12:31] <ikonia> JediMaster man rsync and look at the preserve option
[12:32] <g0dd3ss> oh okey thanks alot WaltzingAlong  and soundray
[12:32] <SuperLag> dag_: but take care that you're referring to the correct path, when you're using rm -rf.
[12:32] <dag_> SuperLag: thanks
[12:32] <JediMaster> ikonia: it works already, I know the syntax, the issue is that I need to be able to copy it to the ubuntu server as root, and afaik you can't tell it to sudo
[12:32] <lewis1711> soundray, it's telling me I'm spamming the paste bin. I've had no luck. think I'd better call it a night. thankyou for your help never the less
[12:33] <ikonia> JediMaster ahhh, I missed that part. Sudo isn't the issue its the issue that a.) ubuntu has no root password and b.) root logins on ssh is disabled. You'll have to set a root password on ubuntu and enable root login via ssh
[12:33] <SuperLag> lewis1711: You can try pastie.caboo.se, as well.
[12:33] <soundray> lewis1711: just before you give up: in that listing, was there anything that looked like a backup of xorg.conf >
[12:33] <soundray> ?
[12:33] <JediMaster> ikonia: thought as much, was hoping that there was another way =)
[12:33] <fa-bios> ciao
[12:33] <ikonia> JediMaster sorry
[12:34] <lewis1711> soundray, yes there was
[12:34] <JediMaster> ikonia: np, just writing up some backup/restore documentation
[12:34] <Omnius> how do i get firestarter to stop blocking me logging into my ssh server LAN?
[12:34] <lewis1711> xorg.conf.backup
[12:34] <ikonia> lewis1711: allow port 22 for ssh
[12:34] <c> ?
[12:34] <soundray> lewis1711: one thing you could try is to backup your current one, then copy one that looks good to be /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:34] <lewis1711> ikonia I am a noob btw;)
[12:35] <ikonia> lewis1711 ? so ?
[12:35] <askvictor> Would it be inappropriate to ask for nvidia (non-free) support here?
[12:35] <ikonia> lewis1711: your using firestarter -so you must have set it up. Open port 22
[12:35] <lewis1711> so I have no idea what that means. honestly. I vaguely know what a port is. I have no idea how to change it
[12:35] <Odd-rationale> I've been reading about Lubi from the website and I'm trying to understand exactly what is does. Does it mean that if my current installation gets messed up I can boot from the Lubi and reinstall Ubuntu without the CD?
[12:35] <soundray> ikonia: you are talking to the wrong guy
[12:35] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, no.
[12:35] <lewis1711> hahaha;)
[12:35] <ikonia> lewis1711 then why are you running firestarter ?
[12:35] <lewis1711> cold but honest.
[12:35] <ikonia> soundray am I ?
[12:35] <lewis1711> firestarter?
[12:35] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, er, let me rethink.
[12:35] <lewis1711> lol
[12:35] <ikonia> soundray: my tterminal is lagging
[12:36] <ikonia> lewis1711: apologies if your not the guy asking about firestarer.
[12:36] <Omnius> nah thats me
[12:36] <soundray> lewis1711: ikonia is addressing you, but means Omnius
[12:36] <lewis1711> ah
[12:36] <ikonia> lewis1711 apologies
[12:36] <ikonia> soundray thank you, my terminal looks like lewis1711 was asking
[12:36] <lewis1711> soundray where would i find a xkrkgconfig file that looks good?
[12:36] <lewis1711> no worries
[12:36] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, well, if your installation is messed up in an non-hard drive related way (no hd crash), then of course you can do that
[12:36] <dag_> in digiKam as I enable the Color Managment and I go to "Workspace, Input, Soft Proof,"... What do I put there, and how? Can't seem to make it work :( *cry*
[12:36] <Odd-rationale> kbrooks: OK
[12:37] <Omnius> ikona: is firestarter needed?
[12:37] <ikonia> Omnius open port 22 for ssh then. Apologies for the confusion
[12:37] <soundray> lewis1711: try this: 'sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.borked ; sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[12:37] <lewis1711> ModeLine       "640x480@60" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525  can I not just edit that to include other resolutions
[12:37] <soundray> lewis1711: any errors?
[12:37] <dag_> It says I need ICC Profiles!
[12:37] <ikonia> Omnius: depends where your machine is and what its doing.
[12:37] <lewis1711> ok soundray, one more for the road:D
[12:37] <soundray> lewis1711: no, it doesn't work that way
[12:37] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, but if you just changed your hd partitioning, no you cant
[12:38] <fa-bios> ciao ragazzi! scusate qualcuno usa AMULE di adunanza???
[12:38] <ikonia> !it >fa-bios
[12:38] <jetscreamer> !it
[12:38] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:38] <lewis1711> soundray, no errors, gave me the prompt again
[12:39] <Odd-rationale> kbrooks: So you mean if I can still boot into Ubuntu and everything but for some reason just wanted to reinstall Ubuntu, I can use Lubi to reinstall Ubuntu without the CD. Is that correct?
[12:39] <soundray> lewis1711: it has worked then. Do a Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to force-restart X and see if you have your old resolution back.
[12:40] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, well, you have to punch in a few commands to do that (read: no easy way to reinstall without the CD)
[12:40] <lewis1711> thankssound ray, will try. brb
[12:40] <Missy> Hey Geeks
[12:40] <Odd-rationale> OK, I understand. Thanks!
[12:40] <Omnius> ikona: i've made policies to allow ssh but firestarter just wont let me connect to my server on my LAN (server has no net access)
[12:40] <Missy> talk to me.i am gettin bored
[12:40] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, the commands arent too hard to find if you google enough.
[12:40] <soundray> Missy: go to #ubuntu-offtopic then
[12:41] <Missy> how?
[12:41] <soundray> Missy: enter /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:41] <lewis1711> soundray, no luck. thanks for your help anyway. I'll post it on the forums or something. cheers
[12:41] <Missy> thx hun
[12:41] <Odd-rationale> kbrooks: Might look into that.
[12:41] <soundray> lewis1711: too bad, sorry.
[12:42] <Missy> says illegal channel name
[12:42] <soundray> Missy: misspelt it?
[12:43] <jetscreamer> just right click on it and hit join
[12:43] <Missy> nah i jus copied
[12:43] <Missy> am in Opera browser
[12:43] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, but basdically you are really installing ubuntu-server from the internet and then installing ubuntu-desktop. from the hard drive, this involves some "complexity", but this is what the alternate install CD hides, so don't worry too much
[12:43] <soundray> Missy: try typing it in
[12:43] <CECA> buki
[12:44] <Missy> k
[12:44] <Missy> why cant u jus talk to me for while
[12:44] <buki> albania
[12:44] <buki> sasd
[12:44] <buki> dada
[12:44] <kbrooks> Odd-rationale, er, by ubuntu-server I meant to say basic CLI install
[12:44] <buki> dassdasdasd
[12:44] <buki> daasddddd
[12:44] <dgjones> !offtopic | Missy
[12:44] <ubotu> Missy: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:44] <soundray> buki: don't do this please. Do you have a question?
[12:44] <dgjones> buki, please stop
[12:44] <buki> fack
[12:44] <Missy> lol
[12:44] <buki> fack you
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[12:44] <dgjones> !ops | buki spamming channel
[12:44] <buki>
[12:44] <ubotu> buki spamming channel: Help! Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok or Pici
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[12:45] <Odd-rationale> kbrooks: OK
[12:45] <Divlji> hi there
[12:45] <Missy> thx i got
[12:45] <Amaranth> bleh
[12:45] <Missy> actually i typed join/unbuntu
[12:45] <Missy> lol
[12:45] <Missy> blonde moment there
[12:49] <Nedski> Hello all, whats the command for listing all the java versions installed on the machine?
[12:49] <Nedski> because i just installed 1.5
[12:49] <Nedski> and 1.42 is selected as the working one
[12:49] <penguincentral> Nedski: if you give me a moment, i'll find it for you
[12:50] <raddy> Is the forth coming version of ubuntu support delta updates?
[12:50] <Nedski> thanks penguin
[12:50] <volantares> greetings ubuntians
[12:50] <penguincentral> Nedski: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[12:51] <Nedski> thanks penguin
[12:52] <penguincentral> Nedski: that's ok :)
[12:59] <EADG_> offh
[01:00] <dgravot> Bonjour, o diable puis-je modifier ma variable d'environnement PATH pour lui rajouter un chemin ?
[01:00] <jodi2> hello guys
[01:00] <dgjones> !fr | dgravot
[01:00] <ubotu> dgravot: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:01] <dgravot> oops, en effet, je me suis tromp de channel, sorry !
[01:02] <WaltzingAlong> i had 512MB ram in my system but recently changed the total ram to 1024MB. is there any setting i need to change to make good use of the additional ram?
[01:02] <smmagic> As long as it is reconised