[00:21] <ScottyK> greetings! On a fresh dual boot system, win7 runs fine, but the Kubuntu side has a severe lag. keys are slow to respond, and mouse clicks take a while to function. Went to recovery mode and downloaded all updates.
[00:27] <monkeyjuice> have you run update and upgrade? ScottyK
[00:27] <ScottyK> monkeyjuice - yes, via the command line
[00:28] <monkeyjuice> 12.04?
[00:28] <ScottyK> yes - 12.04.1 (64 bit)
[00:29] <monkeyjuice> do you know what video card you have
[00:30] <ScottyK> Nvidia GEForce 8600 GS
[00:31] <monkeyjuice> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58471-Nvidia-Drivers  ScottyK maybe some help heree
[00:33] <ScottyK> monkeyjuice - thanks! I'll give this a try...
[00:33] <monkeyjuice> ok good luck to ya
[00:34] <ScottyK> Oh yeah, still running the default driver (non-nvidia)
[00:34] <ScottyK> havn't activated the nvidia driver yet
[00:34] <monkeyjuice> ya could be then
[00:53] <michaelc22> question with kubuntu it wont let me copyy and paste from kubuntu to a virtual box i have windows 7 in vb is these any settings for this?
[01:12] <michaelc22> question with kubuntu it wont let me copyy and paste from kubuntu to a virtual box i have windows 7 in vb is there any settings for this?
[01:17] <mparillo> Not sure about virtual box, but in VMWare, you generally want to install VMWare tools for smoother experience. Perhaps Virtual Box has something similar?
[01:20] <mparillo> Which is the host and which is the guest?
[01:22] <SIR_Taco_> michaelc22: CTRL-SHIFT-V and CTRL-SHIFT-C (paste/copy) should work
[01:32] <Enrique> can tell me some one something about of kde5?
[01:33] <Enrique> somebody tell me something about of kde5_
[01:33] <Enrique> ?
[01:36] <SIR_Taco_> Enrique: not sure there is a current KDE5 plan
[01:37] <SIR_Taco_> Enrique: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.9_Feature_Plan maybe when this list is finished?
[01:38] <Enrique> i was read about that n i want to know something
[01:40] <Enrique> tanks guys
[02:00] <wendell> algum brasileiro?
[04:23] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:31] <thechef> What's the difference of Alt+F2 and the Kickoff-"Anwendungsstarter"?
[04:36] <thechef> I think I can replace the Kickoff- safely with the classic one so I don't just have shortcuts, search and search, but shortcuts search and exploration
[06:17] <willie_> strange problem - since updating last night my mouse is "auto-scrolling"
[06:17] <willie_> I have changed mice but still same behaviour
[06:17] <willie_> after much faffing I got into system settings | Hardware|input|mouse and set scroll to 1 line per click which helps but not much. I dont see anything I have inadvertently changed in there
[06:18] <willie_> makes  viewing web pages very difficult because the links keep scrolling away from you
[06:18] <willie_> if I dont move the mouse off the active window it just keeps scrolling upwards. I have restarted X, rebooted and done a complete power cycle several times but the weirdness persists
[06:30] <hateball> willie_: if you run "xev", do you see it registering the scrollwheel even if you dont touch it?
[06:31] <willie_> hateball: I'll try that - thx
[06:32] <hateball> willie_: just another thing to use to troubleshoot I guess :)
[06:34] <jjshabs> would it be better for me to post sound issues i'm having with my CK804 onboard on kubuntu12.04
[06:34] <jjshabs> onto the forums, or does in here work ?
[06:35] <hateball> !ask
[06:35] <willie_> hateball: never run xev before so not sure what is "normal"  I see a black square top left that does not seem to respond to anything - however I have LOTS of console output
[06:36] <hateball> willie_: if you place the cursor over it, and just let it rest there it should not do anything. It displays hardware input. Try unplugging the mouse and see if it persists
[06:36] <willie_> I 'll try pasting some but its very difficult to get and maintain focus
[06:36] <jjshabs> 12.04 kubuntu install fails to recognise my Nvidia onboard audio, CK804. This could possibly be due to a conflict with my radeon gfx card's hdmi port - as this appeared in the 10.04.3lts release.
[06:37] <willie_> hateball: OK
[06:38] <willie_> now the mouse is moving on its own to the top -left
[06:38] <hateball> Without being physically plugged in?
[06:38] <willie_> it was doing this before but stopped after a power cycle - Im suspecting mobo problems
[06:38] <jjshabs> BIOS setting for onboard audio: enabled. alsa or pulse both unable to detect. Kde ends up removing these devices. How to rectify this, or appropriately file a bug is what i'm after.
[06:38] <willie_> which is a bummer cos its just >1yr old
[06:39] <willie_> no sorry it is till pluggedin - removing now
[06:39] <hateball> willie_: Unplugging it should quiet xev, assuming it's a hardware error. You could try a different USB port, if you have any spare
[06:40] <willie_> OK mouse disppears but still lots of output to console
[06:41] <willie_> Im into a 10 port powerd hub , time to crawl under desk and use a "real" usb socket
[06:43] <willie_> no -still the same when I plug into the back of the box
[06:43] <hateball> willie_: Do you still have the USB hub plugged in tho?
[06:43] <Smurphy> Morning.
[06:43] <willie_> ah.....
[06:43] <hateball> willie_: If possible, try to unplug as many peripherals as possible
[06:44] <hateball> willie_: So you just have the computer and your input devices
[06:44] <willie_> yes its this hub -- thanks :-)
[06:44] <hateball> :)
[06:44] <willie_> time for the bin and a better quality one of Ebay -- thanks :-)
[06:45] <hateball> Maybe power cycling the hub sorts it out, but yeah... getting a reliable one is probably better :(
[06:45] <hateball> :)
[06:45] <willie_> it was only 6quid or so IIRC
[06:45] <willie_> it was driving me insane last night
[06:46] <hateball> First rule of troubleshooting: unplug *all* the things ;D
[07:23] <aperson> err, 12
[09:17] <phoenix_firebrd> I having problem with nvidia proprietary driver, it is not getting loaded
[09:18] <phoenix_firebrd> xorg log http://paste.kde.org/554090/
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:25] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: How did you install the driver?
[09:25] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: good morning, I installed using jockey
[09:26] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: I switched from internal intel graphics to nvidia
[09:26] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: I see, and the nVidia control panel complains about the driver not being loaded?
[09:27] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[09:27] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: I have been tinkering with the files
[09:27] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Is there in your bios a setting for the default graphics card?
[09:28] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya, its set to peg
[09:28] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Peg? Another thing does the jockey say the card/driver is activated?
[09:29] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: peg is pci express graphics i guess. Yes jockey says the driver is activated but not being used
[09:30] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: nvidia-settings complains that the driver is not loaded
[09:30] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/554090/
[09:30] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: thats the xorg log
[09:30] <phoenix_firebrd> there is a problem with the module loading path
[09:30] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: its pointing to wrong location
[09:32] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: I see, have you tried re-installing the driver?
[09:32] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[09:33] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: What fps do you get when running glxgears?
[09:34] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: i am getting this when i run glxgears "Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:34] <phoenix_firebrd> "
[09:36] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: That is odd. Have you read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37084/nvidia-driver-activated-but-currently-not-in-use
[09:39] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: That reminds me, have you run "sudo nvidia-xconfig"?
[09:40] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: ya
[09:40] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: And rebooted too, I take it.
[09:40] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: the card is detected "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] (rev a1)"
[09:44] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Perhaps this is helpfull, it is for an even older card though: http://askubuntu.com/questions/126905/nvidia-driver-cannot-be-installed-with-jockey-for-old-hardware
[09:44] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: The only other thing I can think of is uninstalling the driver and manually installing the driver.
[09:46] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: I am going to try a solution i found in a webpage, i will be back after a restart
[10:09] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: found a solution here, going to try that
[10:09] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=147983
[10:10] <lordievader> phoenix_firebrd: Good luck!
[10:14] <phoenix_firebrd> lordievader: I have to go now, thanks for the support
[10:33] <avihay> think there will be an ubuntu 12.04.2?
[10:49] <lale> hi
[10:51] <thechef> avihay: why not?
[10:52] <avihay> cause 12.10 is round da corner
[10:52] <hateball> !lts
[10:52] <thechef> !14.04
[10:53] <thechef> Is 14.04 also 5 years supported on the desktop?
[10:54] <hateball> who knows, it's quite a while til it gets released :)
[10:58] <thechef> I thought of ignoring 12.04 and switching from 10.04.4 directly to 14.04.1, I guess I'd be more than one year without security updates then, but doesn't matter because no one else is doing that..
[11:02] <hateball> If you're on 10.04 I'd upgrade to 12.04 anyhow, KDE is a *lot* better over here ;)
[11:02] <thechef> but I think I can switch directly from 10.04 to 12.04, because thanks to switching from Gnome to KDE and after some waves of bug fixes and the general development which seems to be faster in the KDE area, Ubuntu 12.04 will probably recover soon enough until EOL of 120.04
[11:02] <thechef> *of 10.04
[11:03] <thechef> ah, sure, but 10.04 GNOME is much better than 12.04 Unity :-)
[11:03] <hateball> Perhaps, I wouldnt know
[11:04] <thechef> I've never seen such an imprecise, slow and messy desktop like Unity
[11:05] <thechef> sorry.. :-( neverending anger, even though I switched to KDE
[11:08] <hateball> thechef: that's what !ot is for ;p
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:12] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj, how are you?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> hi lordievader , fine thanks , and you ?
[12:17] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I'm doing good, it's my free day :)
[12:21] <BluesKaj> ok , we call it a "day off "here
[12:23] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Ah, yes, well that :)
[12:42] <javinho> hello guys, i use kubuntu 32 bits and work perfect 10 month,  but now change to 64 bits by one friend coment me kubuntu 64 run perfect without problems, but i install kubuntu 64 bits and in 1 mounth view many bugs reported... all distro 64 bits are the same?
[12:42] <RamchandraApte> 64-bit kubuntu is working absolutely fine for me
[12:42] <RamchandraApte> with a about 1-2 bugs
[12:42] <javinho> mmm not bug in flash player (firefox)?
[12:43] <RamchandraApte> i use chrome
[12:43] <RamchandraApte> oops
[12:43] <RamchandraApte> i use chromium
[12:43] <javinho> ok, understand
[12:43] <RamchandraApte> flash player will not be available for linux anymore
[12:44] <RamchandraApte> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/03/31/1417245/adobe-releases-last-linux-version-of-flash-player
[12:44] <javinho> firefox have problems in open folder donwloaded and flash player two: (change blue to red images (repair ok), crashed (not know what is the problem)
[12:45] <javinho> Ram, i recent intall chrome
[12:45] <RamchandraApte> ok
[12:45] <javinho> and youtube work good, but i dont like use time to find and repair errors, need the cpu to work...
[12:45] <javinho> is better return to 32 bits?
[12:46] <RamchandraApte> flash player is supported for 64-bit linux
[12:46] <RamchandraApte> you can try kubuntu 32-bit in a VM to see the difference
[12:47] <javinho> mmm i before in this cpu have installed kubuntu 32-bits and work perfect
[12:47] <javinho> before? mmm after..
[12:47] <javinho> nuu... before xD
[12:48] <RamchandraApte> youtube can use html5
[12:48] <RamchandraApte> firefox supports html5
[12:48] <RamchandraApte> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[12:48] <javinho> ah, this is a problem think
[12:49] <javinho> mmm the stragne is  flash start crashing i try change the blue to red in youtube movies...
[12:49] <javinho> http://www.lacosaestamuymal.com/2012/03/videos-de-youtube-se-ven-en-azul-con.html
[12:50] <javinho> this is the solution but, next this solution, many popups open in browser
[12:51] <javinho> and install the block popups in firefox and flash plugin dont work (next tri disable the block popups but continue not working)
[12:51] <javinho> i dont block youtube
[12:52] <javinho> youtube working fine first but 1 min or two crash
[12:52] <javinho> or i change time in video
[12:53] <javinho> ok, i try whait one mount more to test, i need exit to dinner, ty RamchandraApte for response
[12:59] <BluesKaj> i was going to suggest ia32-libs-multiarch , but he left
[13:00] <BluesKaj> sounds like he has some conf files that are acting up
[13:00] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ia32-libs-multiarch is broken on precise ;)
[13:01] <BluesKaj> oops , shadeslayer
[13:01] <BluesKaj> . glad he wasn't here
[13:01] <shadeslayer> for every time you think you need ia32-libs, think again, and install the required libs by hand
[13:01] <shadeslayer> that's what I do :)
[13:01] <hateball> :D
[13:04] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I haven't had to install ia32libs for a while
[13:05] <george_> Hello. I had to delete ~/.kde because of segmentation faults. Everything is ok, except that events created with KOrganizer are not showing on my calendar. Any ideas? Thanks.
[13:06] <Smurphy> george_: yes - you deleted the events with KOrganizer - as they were probably under ~/.kde.
[13:07] <george_> Smurphy: no, they are still at KOrganizer's agenda, timeline, the problem is that they don't appear at panel calendar.
[13:11] <george_> Anyone, any ideas?
[13:17] <Smurphy> george_: Hmmm. Dunno then
[13:31] <george_> I guess, I'll have to post at KDE or Kubuntu forums'...
[13:42] <qw[russian]> hello all
[13:43] <qw[russian]> help me please i would like install panel in WIndows this name is RocketDock and Linux ?;(
[13:47] <Peace-> qw[russian]: you can't
[13:47] <Peace-> qw[russian]: there is daisy
[13:48] <Peace-> daisy plasma widget
[13:48] <21WAAI8X9> `you can use icon task manager in plasma (std)
[13:49] <qw[russian]> help me please install Plagin in my firefox
[14:16] <qw[russian]> Explain to me please why when I want to establish openSUSE or Ubuntu on the laptop (acer eMachines g725) at me dies away the screen and I not that don't see that occurs
[14:21] <lordievader> !russian | qw[russian]
[14:22] <qw[russian]> but i am speak English too )
[14:22] <spexi> :D
[14:23] <spexi> I think lordievader thought russian may still be better for you :)
[14:23] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Yes I know, however I didn't understand the question, hence me refering to the russian room.
[14:23] <qw[russian]> =) do you speak russian?
[14:24] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Me or spexi?
[14:24] <spexi> I don't
[14:24] <lordievader> I'd be surprised if I did speak russian.
[14:24] <qw[russian]> lordievader, you
[14:25] <genii-around> According to specs of the g725 it uses Intel Mobile 4 Series video, I would suspect that to be likely the issue of the screen not working if it is doing this during an install.
[14:25] <spexi> lordievader: not even when totally drunk? :D
[14:26] <lordievader> spexi: I rarely am totally drunk, so I don't really know. Perhaps, but I don't find it likely.
[14:26] <spexi> okay :)
[14:27] <qw[russian]> well I am paraphrased: when I try to establish openSUSE or Ubuntu on the laptop (acer eMachines g725) at me goes out the screen and I not that don't see that occurs
[14:30] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Still I am not sure what you are asking. What are you trying to establish, a connection? Or are you asking why the screen goes out when you do something?
[14:30] <qw[russian]> ohhh
[14:31] <qw[russian]> o my God )
[14:31] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Getting impatient isn't going to help you.
[14:33] <lordievader> qw[russian]: So let's try again when you have calmed down. Try to explain your problem again.
[14:33] <qw[russian]> okey
[14:33] <qw[russian]> one min please
[14:34] <qw[russian]> I try to install openSUSE, or Ubuntu on the laptop (eMachines g725 maple)
[14:35] <qw[russian]> up to this point everything is clear?
[14:35] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Yes.
[14:35] <qw[russian]> at installation above the specified systems my monitor goes out and doesn't join
[14:36] <qw[russian]> you understand ?
[14:37] <genii-around> !nomodeset
[14:37] <lordievader> qw[russian]: I think so, you are trying to install the OS, from a live-cd I presume? Does the monitor go out before you have started the installation process or during?
[14:37] <genii-around> bug 989658
[14:39] <qw[russian]> befor set language
[14:40] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Follow genii-around's advice.
[14:41] <qw[russian]> =)))
[14:41] <qw[russian]> or
[14:43] <qw[russian]> i am install OS and i am upgrade OS  befor upgrading OS i laptop restartid During reset simply I don't see loading and a desktop
[14:44] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Ok let's slow things down again. Are you saying that you installed the OS already?
[14:46] <qw[russian]> yes but now i am install kubuntu 10.04 LTS
[14:46] <qw[russian]> During reset simply I don't see loading and a desktop
[14:46] <qw[russian]> omg sorry
[14:47] <lordievader> qw[russian]: What have you installed now then? And why not install 12.04?
[14:47] <qw[russian]> Description:    Ubuntu 10.04 LTS *
[14:48] <qw[russian]> not install 12.04 because there was a CD disk from 10.04 =)
[14:48] <genii-around> qw[russian]: I am confident your problem is the same described at https://launchpad.net/bugs/989658  , and you should try in GRUB to put "nomodeset" option.
[14:48] <qw[russian]> and I already am afraid to update system because I can not be loaded again
[14:49] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Have you followed genii-around's advice?
[14:49] <qw[russian]> not understand genii-around's advice?
[14:51] <lordievader> qw[russian]: Read the links he posted.
[14:51]  * lordievader brb switching OS. Putty is being annoying.
[14:53] <qw[russian]> oh understand sorry
[14:53] <qw[russian]> )
[14:53] <Peace-> i have a strange behavior here
[14:53] <genii-around> Peace-: What, only one? ;-)
[14:53] <Peace-> when i copy text from firefox an i try to paste on terminal ... sometime it doesn't paste the correct stuff
[14:53] <Peace-> but the the one have copied before
[14:54] <qw[russian]> i am join this  https://launchpad.net/bugs/989658 but i am uses 10.04
[14:54] <Peace-> i paste with crtl shift ins
[14:54] <genii-around> qw[russian]: The solution is the same for 10.04, 10.10,11.04,11.10,12.04 ... it makes no difference
[14:55]  * lordievader back
[14:55] <Peace-> instead with the right click it's all ok
[14:55] <Peace-> bah
[14:55] <Peace-> genii-around: 12.10 :D?
[14:55] <qw[russian]> and openSUSE too?
[14:55] <Peace-> qw[russian]: this is kubuntu
[14:55] <lordievader> Peace-: What happens when you use "shift + ins"?
[14:56] <Peace-> qw[russian]: which word on this sentence "kubuntu" reminds you to opensuse?
[14:56] <genii-around> qw[russian]: This is not support for SUSE here
[14:56] <Peace-> lordievader: copy a text , then go and open a terminal
[14:56] <qw[russian]> http://pastebin.com/5J2Ucie8
[14:56] <genii-around> Peace-: Are you using shift-insert to paste?
[14:56] <Peace-> lordievader: type : ctrl shift ins
[14:57] <Peace-> genii-around: yea
[14:58] <lordievader> Peace-: Not sure if this is screen/byobu's doing but I get a list of a sorts of things looks like an ls of /bin.
[14:58] <Peace-> genii-around: it comes by default with kubuntu and i guess with kde stuff
[14:59] <qw[russian]> i am reboot from my PC
[15:03] <genii-around> Hm. And I went to the trouble already: http://goo.gl/9iF60
[15:19] <lordievader> genii-around: Ohh wow, what a service!
[15:19] <lordievader> Peace-: Did you find a solution?
[15:20] <Peace-> lordievader: nope i guess i will use ctrl shift v
[15:20] <lordievader> Peace-: The shit + ins also does not work?
[15:21] <lordievader> Peace-: Without the ctrl I mean.
[15:21] <Peace-> lordievader: i need to test it
[15:21] <Peace-> anyway i will chane my habit
[15:21] <Peace-> change
[15:25] <genii-around> Peace-: I found Klipper was behaving erratically for me sometimes and I don't use it anymore.
[15:27] <lordievader> genii-around: What do you use as a replacement for Klipper?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , copy 'n paste in it's various forms works for me , never liked klipper much
[15:28] <genii-around> lordievader: I don't, for coping I generally highlight with mouse rightclick and choose copy, then in konsole shift-insert
[15:29] <lordievader> genii-around: So just the normal standard way, come to think of it, I rarely use klipper any other way.
[15:30] <Peace-> genii-around: ah so i am not the only one then
[15:32] <BluesKaj> i guess klipper is good for storing previous copied material , but I rarely used it for that anyway
[15:32] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Thats what I concluded also.
[15:38] <BluesKaj> i have an odd problem with the networking wizard setting up a ssh network folder , could it be because i have 2 kubuntu partitions on the same drive trying to access our laptop , the wizard succeeds connecting to the laptop from the 12.04 install but not the 12.10
[15:39] <BluesKaj> altho i can ssh into the laptopm from both installs ...doesn't make much sense to me
[16:02] <artao> hai
[16:03] <artao> ok .. something very strange is going on here. .. WTF strange ... using Dolphin .. Seems I have lost the ability to drag-n-drop items in the Places Panel to re-order them ... I know 100% for a fact that I USED to be able to do so, as the items are clearly in an order that I personally put them in ... just tried to add a new Places item, and then to drag it where I want it in the list, but the damn thing won't move. It insists on
[16:03] <artao> staying at the bottom of the list ... and yes, the panel is unlocked
[16:03] <artao> WTF!!
[16:04] <artao> what's going on here? a couple of weeks ago, I ALSO lost the ability to drag-n-drop items in my Kontact To-Do list ... something strange is going on here, seems to me. Slowly losing the ability to drag-n-drop througout my OS is my fear ... ... Kubuntu 12.04
[16:14] <BluesKaj> artao, yes dolphin seems to arbitrarily decide what order entries are positioned in places , no matter where one puts them
[16:14] <Peace-> artao: dolphin now has the ability to put folder in the folder group
[16:14] <artao> i know 100% fact i was able to drag/drop items in there 3 weeks ago
[16:14] <artao> what the hell happend? O.o
[16:14] <Peace-> artao: device link in the device group and soo on
[16:15] <Peace-> artao: sudo adduser test
[16:15] <artao> what? why?
[16:15] <Peace-> artao: then login with test
[16:15] <artao> um
[16:15] <artao> u think my login is pooched?
[16:15] <Peace-> are you going to die if you try?
[16:16] <Peace-> ahhaha
[16:16] <artao> no. but adding 'test' user makes me a bit nervous frankly
[16:16] <artao> just feels a bit sketchy
[16:16] <artao> i dunno
[16:16] <Peace-> ok dude your problem is not my problem
[16:16] <artao> sorry
[16:16] <eliecer> hi everyone
[16:17] <eliecer> somebody can help me with a error....
[16:18] <artao> i guess really the whole idea of going thru that process (new user, login logout, reboot, try again, etc etc) makes me feel mentally exhausted already Peace-
[16:18] <artao> i was really hoping this was a known issue and there was a simple fix for it
[16:20] <genii-around> !details | eliecer
[16:25] <genii-around> eliecer: Please do not private message me, just to tell the channel your issue and you may find assistance.
[16:25] <eliecer> kool
[16:26] <eliecer> I have a problem with update in my konsole....
[16:26] <eliecer> running kubuntu 12.04 LTS
[16:26] <eliecer> When I try to update, I get de following output
[16:26] <eliecer> E: Tipo «b» desconocido en la línea 3 de lista de fuentes /etc/apt/sources.list.d/libreoffice-ppa-precise.list
[16:26] <eliecer> E: No se pudieron leer las listas de fuentes.
[16:26] <genii-around> !pastebin
[16:29] <eliecer> so what can i do for fix the problem
[16:29] <eliecer> ?
[16:35] <genii-around> eliecer: The issue seems to be a ppa that you have installed for libreoffice. So I would recommend to remove the ppa from your list.
[16:38] <Peace-> artao: reboot?
[16:39] <Peace-> artao: ctrl alt f7 and you came bakc to your session , ctrl alt f6 start new session => start new session like test user ::: do your tests => logout from test session => back to your standard user
[16:39] <artao> yah. after homework reading
[16:39] <artao> really? i can have multiple x-sessions?
[16:42] <artao> ah ... no ... i can't have multiple x-sessions ... ctrl-alt-f6 is just a console session like all the other F#s
[16:42] <artao> =D
[16:42] <artao> back to homework reading
[16:43] <genii-around> artao: You can however nest xsessions
[16:43] <genii-around> With xephyr or xnest
[16:44] <artao> eh?
[16:44] <artao> i have no idea what you're talking about
[16:47] <genii-around> artao: eg: You can have a window on your desktop with another entirely different desktop running in it
[16:49] <Peace-> artao: Xephyr :1 -screen 640x480 & sleep 3 && export DISPLAY=:1 && startkde
[16:49] <artao> hunh
[16:49] <artao> intersting
[16:50] <artao> kinda scary
[16:50] <Peace-> ...
[16:50] <Peace->  xserver-xephyr this is the package btw
[16:50]  * genii-around slides Peace- a lovely coffee
[16:51]  * Peace- drinks genii-around's coffee
[17:06] <MySystem> hello i have a problem with my onboard soundcard, the prob my side speakers and my sub dont get a sig no matter which source, sysinfos: mainboard M4A785TD-V EVO onboard soundchip via vt1708s kubuntu12.04, my trys many mixers, my knowlegde in windows i have from via mixer some options more think the relevant ones are speakerfilling (for the side) and bassmanagment settings for sub , hello blueskaj now i have time for this prob (if you reme
[17:15] <MySystem> ah forgott something in phonon settings if i test sub the test sound appears for side sadly nothing but cabels and so are good, and its not a digital link to amblifier its a analog with 4xstereo
[17:21] <MySystem> back sry dc
[17:23] <lordievader> MySystem: It seems BluesKaj is afk.
[17:24] <MySystem> thats no wonder he is here nearly all day it just take some time *smile*
[17:25] <MySystem> but if anyone else have an idea to send these settings to my soundcard
[17:33] <MySystem1> *sad* my isp is doing something strange i think this isnt the best time to fix this prob with sound,got 2 dc's in 10min i will come back if my isp fixed the prob
[18:08] <MySystem1> ok isp probs seems to be gone i start again: i have a problem with my onboard soundcard, the prob my side speakers and my sub dont get a sig for sub only in phonon speakertest it works side nothing, sysinfos: mainboard M4A785TD-V EVO, onboard soundchip via vt1708s,link to amp is 4xanalog stereo, kubuntu12.04, my trys many mixers, my knowlegde in windows i have from via mixer some options more think the relevant ones are speakerfilling (f
[18:10] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, so what speaker connection , is it o an amplifier or to the soundcard on the pc?
[18:12] <MySystem1> speaker connection analog with 4x stereo to 3 amplifiers and the second i dont understand
[18:16] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, so your soundcard is connected to 3 analog inputs on an amplifier , correct ?
[18:17] <MySystem1> no sound card is connected via 4 stereo cabels to 3 amplifier(2 stereo 1quad)
[18:17] <MySystem1> sry if this wasnt clear from my question
[18:20] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, are there any digital inputs on the amplifiers ?
[18:20] <MySystem1> no they are complete analog
[18:22] <MySystem1> and sadly dont have a working digital amp to test if i see right what you wanted to try
[18:25] <BluesKaj> your 4x stereo setup is confusing , one stereo (L+R) or does that count as 2
[18:29] <MySystem1> oh sry to have a 7.1 suround system with only analog amplifiers i have a stereo cable for each box pair so one cabel front(l+r) one rear(l+r) one side (l+r) one sub+center so 4 stereo cabels from soundcard to 2 stereo amps and one quad amp
[18:29] <MySystem1> blueskaj sry forgett to put this at beginning of message
[18:36] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, ok what chip does, alsamixer  , give in the terminal , upper left ?
[18:37] <MySystem1> VIA VT1708S
[18:38] <icy05> hey ppl, im a linux noob and need some advice..anyone help me please
[18:39] <icy05> need help with screen res before boot and how to edit the grub file before boot
[18:41] <icy05> ne1??
[18:42] <icy05> p.s google wasnt friendly :/
[18:43] <MySystem1> be patient this takes a time to rekognize your question most are here the complete day and so dont look every min on irc
[18:44] <neosimago> my screen keeps blanking out; using kubuntu 12.04 on a T410. Turned off screensaver; any ideas?
[18:44] <neosimago> watching a movie; reading a article; it just goes dark.
[18:44] <MySystem1> icy05:and for me i dont understand what you mean with resolution befor boot if you mean grub resolution and your linux starts there is a tool to config grub from kubuntu
[18:44] <neosimago> every few minutes or so, repeates; move mouse; comes back up
[18:45] <MySystem1> neosimago i think  energy saving features
[18:45] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, which driver ..  cat /proc/asound/modules , in the terminal
[18:46] <neosimago> looked under energy saving features; power management in system settings; nothing to change the behaviour.
[18:46] <icy05> mysystem one : thing is once the res is set i cant read it at all  so wanted to know how to edit it and set it manually
[18:46] <neosimago> set it to act like a pc on ac power.
[18:46] <MySystem1> blueskaj:  0 snd_hda_intel \n 1 snd_hda_intel
[18:48] <BluesKaj> VIA technologies uses intelhda drivers?
[18:48] <MySystem1> blueskaj: iam not a pro dont know but it sounds strange
[18:49] <MySystem1> icy05: how will you edit it if you cant read anything ?or thgis there a place or way to read ?
[18:50] <icy05> mysystem1: heance before boot :)
[18:51] <neosimago> MySystem1: i need another idea other than energy saving features; it's just blanking out every minute.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, I usually don't recommend pppl buy new hardware , but in your case I doubt the onboard souncard and driver is capable of serving 7.1 discrete signals toy yuor amps , a sound system like that actaully needs a separate soundacrd with separate/discrete analog outputs to you amps
[18:51] <icy05> :mysystem1: or i can ctrl+alt+f4 brings me to a console but i dont know many commands lol
[18:52] <MySystem1> neosimago:iam a bit out of ideas cant imagine what happens there but as i said iam not a pro
[18:52] <MySystem1> icy05 ah so your kde has wrong resolution
[18:53] <icy05> mysystem1: yeh, sorry should have just said that lol
[18:53] <BluesKaj> neosimago, open system settings >display and monitor ..set your screensaver to 180 mins or so , so it won't blank your screen during a movie
[18:53] <MySystem1> blueskaj yes this my soundcard has 4 seperated analog outputs and for imformation in windows it works fine
[18:54] <neosimago> BluesKaj: i don't believe it's the screensaver; it just blanks out because the screensaver is set to a pattern.
[18:55] <BluesKaj> set t he timer on the screensaver , and make sure your power management>dim display is st to the same time
[18:55] <BluesKaj> neosimago,^
[18:56] <MySystem1> icy05 i have an idea but not sure it works and not sure if you damage your xorg and wont have any picture
[18:57] <MySystem1> icy05 there can be a config file that where its possible to set resolutions
[18:57] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, do you have all the outputs turned up in alsamixer and kmix
[18:58] <icy05> mysystem1 : that would be in the grub.conf file wouldnt it?? just dont know how to edit and save changes
[18:59] <MySystem1> icy05 its located /etc/X11/xorg.conf backup it if it exist with cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak and then edit it with a editor like nano or vi (no garantie)
[19:00] <MySystem1> blueskajyes output are all pu for the speaker outputs wait a take a screen
[19:03] <icy05> mysystem 1 ill give it a crack, thanks
[19:04] <MySystem1> crack? ~ try?
[19:05] <MySystem1> blueskaj what was the site to paste images?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> imagebin.org MySystem1
[19:08] <MySystem1> http://imagebin.org/229300
[19:08] <MySystem1> the last which is missing on screen is the rearmic again
[19:09] <OerHeks> make the terminal larger :-)
[19:09] <MySystem1> yes next time *smile*
[19:09] <MySystem1> yes saw it after paste
[19:15] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, so you have no audio on your side or sub , correct ?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> have you installed pavucontrol for your soundcard, it might help
[19:16] <MySystem1> yes
[19:19] <MySystem1> blueskaj yes you already gave me this tip but the prog doesnt show any new
[19:19] <MySystem1> options
[19:24] <MySystem1> the point is that this is right what the soundcard does (only the missing test signal on side) because without the bassmanagment settings the sub isnt used and without the speakerfilling options side is dead until i have a 7.1 audio source
[19:24] <MySystem1> oh blueskaj
[19:26] <MySystem1> but what to do to get those options
[19:29] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, so you expect your soundcard to emulate 7.1 when there' only a 5.1 signal available...not even my DD and DTS capable amplifier can do that without using dolby pro logic mode , which may be available with a software app for the audio on your pc , but I havent looked for one
[19:31] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, I think you windows driver has that capability but Linux drivers are more direct and don't come with other emulators builtin
[19:32] <MySystem1> blueskaj no its the via hdaudiodeck which has this options windows also dont know this options zthey are only in the special mixer from via
[19:34] <MySystem1> and yes the speakerfilling is like that what your digital amp does
[19:34] <BluesKaj> yes , MySystem1 that's part of the windows driver software ...wife has a similar capability on her diamond audio card
[19:35] <MySystem1> blueskaj ok so how do i get this driver specific options in my linux
[19:36] <qw__> help my please
[19:36] <MySystem1> mp3 quali is bad but without bassmanagment its truly poor
[19:36] <MySystem1> with what qw_
[19:36] <qw__> i am delete my control panel
[19:36] <qw__> help me please restored
[19:36] <MySystem1> you mean the kde system settings or the taskbar
[19:37] <qw__> in windows control panel name Start
[19:37] <MySystem1> thats easy
[19:37] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, maybe there's a better linux driver for your audio card that contains those options, Alsa sees the 7.1 but can't supply audio from the other channels
[19:37] <qw__> were is system settings ?
[19:38] <MySystem1> qw_ rightklick your desktop and klick add kontrollpane (or how its called in english) und the menu that comes select default contorl pane
[19:39] <BluesKaj> qw__, alt+f2 systemsettings
[19:39] <qw_> done create control panel
[19:40] <qw_> BluesKaj yes
[19:40] <BluesKaj> add panel
[19:41] <qw_> were?
[19:41] <MySystem1> blueskaj yes because this is hardwares work to fill the sound to all speakers, a better linux driver you said and previusly you said that used driver is intel this sounds like a way but how to change the driver
[19:41] <BluesKaj> qw_, desktop settings as MySystem1 suggested
[19:41] <qw_> i am create
[19:42] <qw_> but i am no see default control pane
[19:42] <qw_> panel *
[19:42] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, do some research to find one , there might be a better driver , not sure
[19:43] <MySystem1> qw_ oh for my it was at desktop rightlick add panel but its not so bad just click on your empty panel and add the things you want like startmenu systemcontroll and so
[19:43] <qw_> ^(
[19:44] <qw_> but i like defaul panel befor install system
[19:45] <BluesKaj> qw_, did you see the default panel option when you clicked on add panel ?
[19:46] <MySystem1> blueskaj i hope and would  but i dont no where to search for what and how a sound driver look like in linux, and also want to check if my linux realy uses an intel driver for my via chip because if it is so i just have to switch to the right
[19:46] <qw_> now add kubuntu start up
[19:47] <qw_> but i am hide IRC i am not see IRC in panel
[19:47] <MySystem1> click through your 4 desktops it can be thats the option to only show which is on this desktop
[19:48] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, lspci -v | grep -i snd , just to make sure
[19:48] <qw_> i am not understand (
[19:49] <MySystem1> ok now iam sure its the wrong driver  4 entrys 2xdriver &modules and all with snd_hda_intel
[19:51] <qw_> YES YES YES
[19:51] <qw_> i am understand
[19:51] <qw_> Thank You very mutch )
[19:51] <MySystem1> ah good dont know how write it in anaother way
[19:53] <MySystem1> blueskaj this command printes kernel driver and modules so how is my driver selected and how can i change this selection
[19:54] <qw_> but
[19:54] <MySystem1> because i think its just a fail select and if i choose one of the via drivers and with a bit luck the right or something compatible it will work
[19:55] <qw_> i am not see wodget "connect from my network"?
[19:55] <MySystem1> you mean networkmanager in systemcontroll next to startmenu?
[19:55] <MySystem1> qw_
[19:56] <qw_> my kubuntu is russian please russian =)
[19:56] <MySystem1> oh that will be very hard to translate from german to english to russian
[19:56] <BluesKaj> MySystem1, pastebin the output of lspci -v | grep -i snd , please
[19:56] <qw_> =)
[19:57] <MySystem1> http://pastebin.com/hVmThrNZ
[19:57] <MySystem1> qw_ do you have the widget where the networkmanager sould be ?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> qw_, alt+f2 , networkmanager
[19:58] <qw_> didn't start (
[19:59] <MySystem1> qw_ i think its already runnninng but not listed in systemicons
[20:00] <MySystem1> for check if running ctrl+esc and enter net or write it complete
[20:00] <MySystem1> qw_ do you already have this systemnotify widget in your panel?
[20:01] <qw_> befor delete penael widget used
[20:02] <BluesKaj> qw do you see the little cashew/half moon icon on the right end of the panel , click that and choose add widgets
[20:02] <BluesKaj> qw_,^
[20:04] <qw_> in right click for control panel i see Settings Widgets "Control panel" second: Settings Widget "Panel"  3- : Delete widget "Control Panel"
[20:05] <qw_> addd
[20:05] <qw_> add 8
[20:05] <qw_> i am add thanks
[20:05] <qw_> Thank you Boy's =)
[20:08] <MySystem1> np have fun with your kde
[20:23] <MySystem1> blueskaj is it ok the end this for today think its a good point because now i know that i have to look in the driver and kernel direction to get those missing hardware options and my attention is falling because of 22:23 oclock here
[20:25] <BluesKaj> ok , but I think the intel hda diver is the only one available . MySystem1
[20:26] <MySystem1> oh that would be bad for a new soundcard i dont have the money
[20:26] <MySystem1> i keep looking foward this had to work *smile*
[20:27] <MySystem1> thx for your help again *smile* you are realy one of the best here i know have a nice day
[20:28] <BluesKaj> ok , take care , MySystem1
[20:28] <MySystem1> all other also a nice day till then
[20:43] <Uh> Yo
[20:43] <Uh> Anyone here?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> uh  ..yeah
[20:44] <Uh> Wanna help me remove all passwords completely from ubuntu? I can't find a fix for it anywhere
[20:45] <BluesKaj> sorry , I don't know how
[20:45] <Uh> gay
[20:55] <olivier> salut le peuple
[20:55] <olivier> y'a de la france?
[20:55] <BluesKaj> !fr | olivier
[21:26] <ali_> firefox is dangerous
[21:27] <ali_> use google chrome ((becouse it more simple))
[21:27] <ali_> hello all cyber mans
[21:34] <Daz646> Hi
[21:35] <Daz646> Ali i just literally installed firefox as im new to linux. Why is firefox dangerous?
[21:35] <mindVVind> did you see ?
[21:35] <mindVVind> Bloomberg
[21:36] <mindVVind> by his logo))
[21:37] <mindVVind> fox is firebeast
[21:37] <mindVVind> so why you use linux??
[21:38] <mindVVind> I use linux too//
[21:38] <mindVVind> / end I am happy sometimes..
[21:39] <mindVVind> ..=W=
[21:39] <mindVVind> this is my logo))
[21:41] <mindVVind> ..did you know that wanilaBSD maybe some better ??
[21:43] <mindVVind> daz646 there are you frome??
[21:44] <mindVVind> Daz646 are you need in 3d model of you??))
[21:44] <Daz646> Hey mate sorry was on the phone.
[21:44] <mindVVind> 0k
[22:14] <cielak> hello everyone
[22:14] <cielak> I have a simple question
[22:14] <cielak> I have not used KDE much and Kubuntu in particular
[22:15] <cielak> but while working on an Ubuntu app to make it work on other Ubuntu flavours too
[22:15] <cielak> I was wondering whether GTK+ apps are installable in KDE
[22:15] <tsimpson> yes, of course
[22:15] <cielak> I mean: do people tend to avoid GNOME/GTK applications on Kubuntu, because they pull in thousands of dependencies?
[22:16] <cielak> I expect them to require lots of gtk runtime libraries to be installed, right?
[22:16] <tsimpson> Gnome applications still pull in Gnome libs, but Kubuntu comes with the GTK+ libraries anyway, so pure GTK+ apps are not so bad
[22:17] <genii-around> Most people I know are at least usually already running Firefox on their KDE anyhow.
[22:17] <cielak> oh, that's not that bad, then
[22:17] <sithlord48> whats up #kubuntu ?
[22:17] <tsimpson> the reverse is also true, Ubuntu comes with Qt libraries, but full not KDE libraries
[22:18] <mindVVind> But the best Kstars!!
[22:18] <mindVVind> sorry
[22:18] <cielak> yeah, I am familiar with the reverse case
[22:18] <mindVVind> How to see BSD filesystem under linux??
[22:18] <cielak> as installing KDE apps on standard Ubuntu pulls in thousands megabytes of libraries
[22:19] <sithlord48> mindVVind:  what file system?
[22:19] <mindVVind> KDE the best it is simple
[22:19] <genii-around> Probably UFS/ZFS
[22:19] <cielak> but if that's not that annoying in case of GTK apps on Kubuntu, then I think I can consider the application to be runable on Kubuntu too ;)
[22:19] <mindVVind> I dont know too
[22:19] <sithlord48> do we not have an included driver for that ?
[22:19] <cielak> thanks tsimpson! :)
[22:20] <mindVVind> I install it(ВSD) from graf installer
[22:21] <sithlord48> do you recive a popup for it when you plug it in ? or see it in dolphin's places?
[22:21] <mindVVind> of course
[22:21] <mindVVind> it is a great
[22:22] <genii-around> mindVVind: Probably ufsutils will install the correct support.
[22:22] <sithlord48> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS/ <- perhaps help you ?
[22:25] <mindVVind> I have no choise
[22:25] <mindVVind> this  is truble miracle
[22:26] <mindVVind> but Thanks - I never see someThinngs le thiS
[22:28] <genii-around> mindVVind: I just checked, the default filesystem for FBSD is still UFS ( I thought they may have switched in recent releases to ZFS but it seems not ). The package called ufsutils will install the needed driver for you to mount and fsck those drives.
[22:29] <mindVVind> end that ZFS better then UFS??
[22:30] <genii-around> mindVVind: Yes, but ZFS is still proprietary to Sun
[22:43] <mindVVind> in russia many many days flow without Sun((
[22:52] <drbobb> hey it looks like the upgrade of my 11.10 to 12.04 just failed
[22:53] <drbobb> it stopped at 'setting up memtest86+' and is not progressing any further
[23:00] <drbobb> yep the updater seems to be dead
[23:00] <drbobb> grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem.
[23:01] <drbobb> wtf
[23:02] <drbobb> I guess that leaves me with a broken system


[00:41] <lifeless> SpamapS: hazmat: ^ ?
[00:51] <hazmat> lifeless, no
[00:51] <lifeless> thanks
[00:53] <hazmat> lifeless, the charm/service unit does have a concrete lifecycle though which includes an install phase
[00:54] <hazmat> and subordinate charms will allow installation into  existing units..
[00:55] <lifeless> hazmat: concrete use case - I want to configure egress firewall rules both on the node and on the network gateway when the node is brought up as a juju node; that is arguably a cloud API, but no clouds I know of (today) support egress fw rules
[00:58] <hazmat> lifeless, so two thoughts.. you can manage a firewall within a charm (although as far as local providers with network ns.. i'm not sure about the interaction).. i believe SpamapS had the memcache charm using fw rules to only allow access to related service units.
[00:59] <lifeless> right, thats the reverse :)
[00:59] <lifeless> this is egress rules, not ingress
[00:59] <lifeless> allowing nodes to only start communications that they are meant to be able to.
[00:59] <hazmat> ah
[00:59] <hazmat> same principle applies though
[01:00] <hazmat> in terms of modeling it with a relation, and manipulating the firewall by related units.
[01:00] <lifeless> right, though for the on-node rules you need zk to supply its own needed ports.
[01:00] <lifeless> unless you mode the zk connection as a relation? Seems a bit black-hole bootstrap to me though.
[01:00] <hazmat> yeah.. you have to establish a default for the zk node access for juju to run
[01:00] <lifeless> s/mode/model/
[01:00] <hazmat> but you can do that in the charm installation
[01:00] <hazmat> install hook
[01:01] <lifeless> hazmat: do we have multiple charms on one node yet ?
[01:01] <lifeless> or will we have to hack all the charms we use ?
[01:01] <hazmat> lifeless, not with isolation, but the subordinate work is testable now from a branch
[01:02] <lifeless> hazmat: well, this is about *nodes* - so wouldn't isolation be a problem ?
[01:02] <hazmat> true, although i'm curious about the interaction of lxc with firewall manipulation, if it properly only applies to the container network ns.
[01:03] <lifeless> if you're creating N networks one per container then yes
[01:04] <lifeless> you get a loopback network, bridged internally to the host + NAT rules for outbound stuff
[01:04] <lifeless> lxc is leaky in lots of other ways though :)
[01:04] <hazmat> indeed
[04:26] <_mup_> txzookeeper/managed-watch-and-ephemeral r48 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:26] <_mup_> expiration handler integrated with retry client
[10:03] <d0od_> Yay I am a frankend0od
[12:09] <marcoceppi> d0od: the new OMG charm should be ready today. Which should take care of all the issues we've seen over the past two days.
[12:09] <d0od> \o/
[12:09] <d0od> Is the site on Smalls now?
[12:09] <marcoceppi> no, it's still on larges
[12:09] <d0od> Ouch!
[12:09] <d0od> $_$
[12:09] <marcoceppi> won't be moved to smalls until the new charm is ready
[12:10] <d0od> Okay
[12:10] <d0od> Who do I owe money to so far, you or Jorge?
[12:10] <marcoceppi> Talk to Jorge about that
[12:11] <d0od> Ok
[12:50] <niemeyer> Morning everybody
[12:56] <marcoceppi> d0od: everything still loading "quickly" for you?
[14:12] <imbrandon> heya jcastro /me returns
[14:12] <jcastro> imbrandon, meet marcoceppi
[14:12] <marcoceppi> o/ imbrandon
[14:12]  * imbrandon waves
[14:12] <jcastro> imbrandon, ok so we got him back up but in the charm
[14:12] <jcastro> we want to "do it right"
[14:12] <jcastro> so marco's pushing up his work
[14:12] <imbrandon> right on
[14:13] <jcastro> and we're having some php/caching issues (marco will explain)
[14:13] <imbrandon> ok so marco is ... ? owner ?
[14:13] <jcastro> so we'd figured you can have a look, and then do some ninja
[14:13] <imbrandon> ahh php cache issues are my thing :)
[14:13] <marcoceppi> imbrandon:  just a charmer
[14:13] <imbrandon> ahh cool ok :)
[14:13] <jcastro> no, he's just another everyday hero. :)
[14:13] <jcastro> imbrandon, the idea is to charm up the most slick way to run OMG
[14:13] <imbrandon> <-- is just a php bender
[14:14] <jcastro> and then deploy it
[14:14] <jcastro> and then point the elastic IP to the new stuff
[14:14] <imbrandon> jcastro: point the eip to the elb and have the elb to the charm
[14:14] <imbrandon> right ?
[14:14] <jcastro> right now the site is running fine, but I made a mistake and deployed on xlarges, so the only real rush is my wallet. :)
[14:14] <jcastro> we haven't done an elb yet.
[14:15] <jcastro> in fact, we'll have to do this twice, once on my account to make sure it's sweet.
[14:15] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: we were using APC + mod_php5 but a bug with the php5 cron and session+fuser was causing some weird child process issues. So I moved them to php-cgi and suPHP since that's what I use on my shared servers and know most intimately. However, suPHP and APC don't play nice. For this charm, suPHP is overkill + 1, fastcgi would be fine but that won't play well with APC either. So I just started
[14:15] <marcoceppi>  looking in to php-fpm then you arrived. Tag, you're it :)
[14:15] <imbrandon> downsizing should be ok, we up and down size boxen all day :) i think our "Drops" are at about 350 instances constantly :)
[14:15] <jcastro> and then redeploy to joey's account when we're ready to hand it over to him
[14:15] <jcastro> imbrandon, but the idea is to capture all the tweaks in the charm
[14:16] <imbrandon> jcastro: yup, we call those Drops , play on the drupal name, but they contain all the special sauce and can run on any number of instances
[14:16] <imbrandon> as one system
[14:17] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: definatly php-fpm with nginx , actually 2x nginx instances runing
[14:17] <imbrandon> on the same box
[14:17] <imbrandon> is the way to go
[14:17] <imbrandon> with APC , and memcached behind that, then finaly the DB
[14:17] <marcoceppi> 2 nginx services running the same box bound to port 80? or two services, same box, different ports, with a proxy in front?
[14:18] <imbrandon> 2 ports, php-fpm on a unix socket, and then 8080 for nginx that talks to the php, then the nginx on 80 runinng a microcache AKA varnish killer
[14:18] <marcoceppi> object caching would probably be overkill for this, it's the wp+plugin generation that's killing us, the db is happy as a clam
[14:18] <imbrandon> ahhh thats easy thats what te first one is for
[14:19] <imbrandon> and yea we can drop the memcache then
[14:19] <imbrandon> no worries there
[14:19] <marcoceppi> *nod*
[14:19] <imbrandon> basicly the nginx on 80 will cache things for 800ms, none the wiser BUT
[14:20] <imbrandon> that means php will only be hit 1 request per second MAC
[14:20] <imbrandon> MAX,
[14:20] <imbrandon> no matter hoiw many visits you get
[14:20] <imbrandon> and no one knows if their content is 800ms old
[14:20] <imbrandon> nice? nice .... :)
[14:21] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: I'm in
[14:21] <marcoceppi> the current charm is a few bits behind, it's setup for suPHP at the moment
[14:21] <imbrandon> ok so this on a 11.10 install ? sorry but we dont use juju so i'm a little blimd to that aspect
[14:22] <imbrandon> no worries i can wrangle it if you want
[14:22] <imbrandon> setup of a clean nginx + php-fpm 5.3.10 + apc and other extenstions is the easy part
[14:22] <imbrandon> :)
[14:23] <imbrandon> btw you want igbinary in addition to apc
[14:23] <imbrandon> for binary searialization of sessions and apc data cache
[14:23] <marcoceppi> imbrandon: charms are just bash scripts
[14:23] <imbrandon> but thats an easy "pecl i igbinary"
[14:23] <marcoceppi> well, these are just bash scripts, charms can be coded in any language
[14:24] <jcastro> (or in any language you want!)
[14:24] <imbrandon> marcoceppi: ahh ok, then i;m down, they are probably very similar to our drops
[14:24] <jcastro> hey can we move to #juju-wordpress for now?
[14:24] <imbrandon> the drop scripts are in python and spin up down instances and control tons of things
[14:24] <imbrandon> sure
[14:24] <jcastro> we can go into more detail there without flooding this channel
[14:24] <jcastro> rock
[14:38] <m_3> ec2 is nice and snappy this time of day
[14:38] <m_3> marcoceppi imbrandon jcastro nice job on omgubuntu!!
[14:40] <marcoceppi> m_3: <3
[14:45] <SpamapS> imbrandon: note that pecl is vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks
[14:52] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: that php cron bug is fixed in precise btw
[14:52] <marcoceppi> SpamapS: whew, good
[14:54] <SpamapS> Probably worth SRU to 11.10
[15:12] <marcoceppi> So, I'm trying to retroactively open a port, jumped in to debug hooks, ran open-port 8080/tcp
[15:12] <marcoceppi> getting an error about juju_agent_socket
[15:13] <gmb> SpamapS, Just a quick ping to let you know that I've updated https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/charm-tools/add-charm-helpers/+merge/96204 with tests; python-shell-toolbox is available in ppa:yellow/ppa, too.
[15:21] <marcoceppi> how would I determine the "client-id" of an instance?
[15:26] <jcastro> SpamapS, hazmat ^
[15:27] <hazmat> marcoceppi, you mean the instance id of the machine? or the zk 'client-id' for an agent?
[15:27] <marcoceppi> not sure, whichever open-port is expecting: No JUJU_CLIENT_ID/--client_id option found
[15:27] <marcoceppi> I imagine it's zk 'client-id'
[15:27] <hazmat> ah.. that's the hook cli api..
[15:28] <hazmat> marcoceppi, so the first window of debug-hooks isn't actually a live environment.. live hook windows will pop in the session as hooks are executed
[15:28] <marcoceppi> ah, and if all the hooks have been executed already?
[15:29] <hazmat> marcoceppi, the hook windows have all the nesc. env variables set to use the hook cli api.
[15:30] <hazmat> marcoceppi, its not live then.. there's no remote api context attached to the socket.. the value for the cli client id is 'constant'
[15:31] <marcoceppi> Maybe I'm attaching to the wrong socket then.
[15:31] <marcoceppi> rather, maybe I'm asking the wrong question.
[15:32] <marcoceppi> Can you run commands like open-port without performing a charm upgrade?
[15:32] <hazmat> marcoceppi, on a live instance outside of a hook, no.
[15:33] <marcoceppi> damnit
[15:33] <marcoceppi> ok
[16:00] <hazmat> marcoceppi,  one off cli script to open a port on service from the client.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/890841/
[16:01] <marcoceppi> Oh! this runs from the machine
[16:01] <hazmat> marcoceppi, yeah. its run from the client not the env
[16:04] <marcoceppi> example usage hazmat ?
[16:05] <hazmat> marcoceppi, its got cli help.. python jport.py -h .. but an example python jport.py myblog 8080
[16:05] <hazmat> you can target individual units or the whole service
[16:05] <marcoceppi> that's what I'm doing wrong, thanks
[16:05] <hazmat> or spec udp via  631/udp
[16:07] <marcoceppi> I didn't notice it was missing the hashbang, so ./oneoff wasn't quite working
[16:15] <ninjix> is there an api for driving juju with python?
[16:25] <hazmat> ninjix, its written in python as a library
[16:25] <hazmat> but there is no supported public api from that library
[16:26] <ninjix> hazmat: tnx
[16:38] <jcastro> negronjl, lynxman, jamespage: all normal ~charmers are smoked today, any of you want to do a review of the incoming openerp charm?
[16:38] <negronjl> jcastro: ahh ... I see .. .so we are your Plan B right ?  :D
[16:38] <ninjix> I'm looking for some documentation covering the workflow of juju's provisioning process when working with orchestra server.
[16:38] <negronjl> jcastro:  I can review .... .give me a bug #
[16:40] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/912050
[16:41] <ninjix> Does juju try to completely reprovision instances via cobbler for each bootstrap?
[16:42] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bug/956259
[16:42] <jcastro> znc is available too if someone wants to snag it
[16:43] <lynxman> jcastro: negronjl jumped the shark before I could ;)
[16:46] <jcastro> lynxman, znc bro!
[16:47] <lynxman> jcastro: no prob hermano ;)
[16:50] <jcastro> also I don't know if someone reviewed negronjl's gearman stuff yet
[16:54] <negronjl> jcastro:  the gearman stuff is not ready to be in the official store yet
[16:54] <jcastro> ah ok
[16:54] <negronjl> jcastro:  Do you have a filter so I can see what needs to be reviewed ( as I get a chance, I can look them over )
[16:55] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bugs?field.tag=new-charm
[16:55] <marcoceppi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+bugs?field.tag=new-charm
[16:55] <marcoceppi> ninja'd
[16:55] <jcastro> you want NEW and fix committed
[16:55] <jcastro> negronjl, flip gearman to incomplete if it's not ready please
[16:57] <negronjl> jcastro:  changed it to in progress.
[16:57] <jcastro> rock
[17:01] <SpamapS> gmb: *awesome*
[17:13] <ninjix> what are the differences between orchestra-juju-available and orchestra-juju-acquired mgmt classes?
[17:16] <jseutter> Question: When I try to deploy a service locally, I get "Invalid value for multicast_port: 34569".  Does anyone know what causes this?
[17:16] <jseutter> I'm fairly certain it was working last week, before a reboot.
[17:19] <SpamapS> ninjix: its all in the name. :) available means juju isn't using it but you want juju to use it if it needs a machine. acquired means juju has taken control.
[17:20] <SpamapS> jseutter: update all your charms (if you did a 'charm getall' just do 'charm getall /path/to/charms')
[17:20] <SpamapS> jseutter: a change landed about 2 weeks ago that is breaking on some older versions of charms.
[17:20] <ninjix> SpamapS: got it. thanks
[17:22] <ninjix> is Juju or Cobbler responsible for the machine start command?
[17:22] <SpamapS> ninjix: juju will tell cobbler to power off/on the machine after acquiring it. If you don't have power control, you'll have to manually reboot it.
[17:23] <ninjix> SpamapS: so it is up Cobbler to have the correct power mgmt script setup
[17:23] <SpamapS> ninjix: the power control stuff in cobbler is a bit of black magic (no juju pun intended.. ;) .. so good luck. :)
[17:23] <ninjix> :)
[17:23] <SpamapS> ninjix: we're using it in our test lab constantly.
[17:24] <ninjix> looks like the suck in bash scripts from /etc/cobbler/power through Cheetah
[17:31] <ninjix> SpamapS: is juju/providers/orchestra the place I should be looking for cobbler control commands?
[17:32] <SpamapS> ninjix: probably
[17:32] <SpamapS> ninjix: __init__.py should have a MachineProvider.start_machine() method that will lead you to where the actual code is
[17:32] <ninjix> SpamapS: ahh... thank you
[17:49] <negronjl> jamespage: ping
[17:49] <jamespage> negronjl, hey
[17:50]  * jamespage reads scrollback
[17:52] <negronjl> jamespage: bbcmicrocomputer tells me that you are interested in merging the tomcat6 and tomcat7 charms
[17:52] <negronjl> jamespage: I can work that
[17:52] <jamespage> negronjl, great - that would be fantastic
[17:53] <jamespage> I last touched tomcat7 - I did some work on config management and managing in multicast environments
[17:53] <negronjl> jamespage: I saw that.
[17:53] <negronjl> jamespage:  I'll add some config options to ask which tomcat to deploy and will default to 7.
[17:54] <jamespage> negronjl, great - that would be nice
[17:54] <negronjl> jamespage: I'll keep you posted
[17:54] <jamespage> I think the only diff I could spot was the format of tomcat-users.xmk
[17:55] <negronjl> jamespage: shouldn't be that difficult
[17:55] <jamespage> nah
[17:55] <jamespage> easy peasy
[17:56] <negronjl> jamespage:  cool.  I'll keep you posted
[17:56] <jamespage> ta
[17:56] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, are you looking at the hive charm?
[17:56] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: yeah
[17:57] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: I'm somewhat slow atm, but I'm getting there
[17:57] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, cool - I'll assign the bug to you so its clear
[17:57] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: ok
[17:58] <jamespage> bbcmicrocomputer, bug 803531
[17:58] <_mup_> Bug #803531: Charm Needed: Hive <hot> <Juju Charms Collection:In Progress by robert-ayres> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/803531 >
[17:58] <jamespage> jcastro thinks its hot
[17:58] <bbcmicrocomputer> jamespage: ok, cool
[17:59] <jamespage> negronjl, do we still need a pig charm?  I've added it as a config option to the new hbase and hadoop charms
[17:59] <negronjl> jamespage: no, I don't think we do.
[17:59] <jamespage> negronjl, OK - I'll close of the bug report then
[17:59] <negronjl> jamespage: thx
[18:00] <jcastro> jamespage, anything tagged "hot" is from the original list of "man this would be epic" list.
[18:00] <jamespage> no pressure bbcmicrocomputer!
[18:01] <negronjl> bbcmicrocomputer: no pressure... jcastro will just hound you every day about it :D
[18:01] <jcastro> I am a loud and festive person
[18:01] <bbcmicrocomputer> ha ha awesome
[18:01] <negronjl> jcastro: you must be puertorrican ( loud ) :)
[18:01] <bbcmicrocomputer> I'm just happy to see my name on my first bug
[18:01] <jcastro> oh dude, you want more?
[18:02] <bbcmicrocomputer> jcastro: ah...
[18:02] <negronjl> bbcmicrocomputer: careful with what you ask xD
[18:02] <jcastro> jamespage, since I have you here I have a fun request, how's your jetty? And do we have anything using it that serves pages?
[18:03] <jamespage> jcastro, its OK - some of the hadoop stuff uses it - what are you looking todo?
[18:03] <jamespage> embedded tho so non-obvious
[18:08] <jamespage> jcastro, biab
[18:08] <jcastro> jamespage, I think it'd be cute to have jetty with it's spdy module turned on serving something
[18:08] <jcastro> but to browsers, not internal stuff nothing hits
[18:24] <jcastro> robbiew, any updates on osx client? imbrandon's looking to charm but is on OSX
[18:24] <robbiew> that guy went silent...so I don't see one coming for 12.04
[18:24] <robbiew> we'll have one for 12.10
[18:26] <SpamapS> 12.04/12.10 shouldn't matter to OSX users ;)
[18:26] <SpamapS> They can just grab bzr and install from trunk.
[18:27]  * SpamapS wonders if Cobbler would run on OSX
[18:29] <marcoceppi> So, juju deploy, then juju ssh that machine and I get a permission deined.
[18:30] <marcoceppi> I have ssh keys defined in my environment.yaml, and I can juju ssh older machines provisioned
[18:33] <marcoceppi> SpamapS hazmat any opinions :?
[18:37] <hazmat> odd
[18:38] <hazmat> marcoceppi, can you pastebin the console output from one of the newer machines
[18:38] <hazmat> ec2-get-console-output that is
[18:38] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ^^ You've got the AWS account
[18:39] <hazmat> jcastro, can you login into the machines with juju ssh
[18:39] <jcastro> ok that wants a -k
[18:39] <jcastro> not the new ones
[18:39] <marcoceppi> hazmat: neither of us can
[18:40] <marcoceppi> jcastro: weird, I can ssh in to the one you just desployed
[18:42] <_mup_> juju/relation-hook-commands-spec r7 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:42] <_mup_> Updated to use new relation id format, added better examples, and worked on some clarification
[18:43] <hazmat> jcastro, for one of the problematic instances, getting the output of ec2-get-console-output $instance_id AND ec2-describe-instance-attribute --user-data $instance_id should be helpful
[18:43] <jcastro> ok so I don't know what to put after the -k for those commands
[18:44] <marcoceppi> -K is the aws_secret_key
[18:45] <marcoceppi> -C is the .pem cert
[18:45] <jcastro> ah ok
[18:45] <marcoceppi> but we don't use .pem certs
[18:45] <marcoceppi> so not sure about that
[18:45] <marcoceppi> i-97fc86f3
[18:45] <_mup_> juju/relation-info-command-spec r7 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:45] <_mup_> Updated to use new relation id format and added back bug reference
[18:45] <marcoceppi> that's a troublesome instance id
[18:48] <jcastro> does juju put pems someplace?
[18:48] <jcastro> I only have my AWS secret key
[18:49] <jcastro> also, we could just redeploy a new environment right?
[18:49] <marcoceppi> not sure, but more information. I just did a destroy-service for the stackmobile charm, got this:
[18:49] <marcoceppi> 2012-03-19 14:48:19,365 ERROR no node
[18:49] <marcoceppi> I wonder if I'm missing something on this computer
[19:00] <SpamapS> jcastro: forget pems :)
[19:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: I put my aws creds in shell files
[19:01] <jcastro> yeah so, I have no idea how to use AWS without juju
[19:01] <SpamapS> awesome :)
[19:01] <jcastro> the concept of using AWS without juju was never an option for me, I am the new new devop. :p
[19:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: access-key should be in EC2_ACCESS_KEY and secret-key in EC2_SECRET_KEY
[19:02] <jcastro> (seriously using it via juju was my first introduction)
[19:02] <jcastro> ok
[19:02] <SpamapS> jcastro: also, use euca-* instead of ec2-*  .. they're written in python instead of java, so they start up about 2-3s faster. :)
[19:04] <jcastro> SpamapS, and for EC2_URL?
[19:05] <SpamapS> jcastro: "https://ec2.amazonaws.com"
[19:05] <jcastro> ok all set
[19:06] <jcastro> ok so now what I need to do to get hazmat what he needs
[19:07] <SpamapS> jcastro: euca-get-console-output i-xxxxxx
[19:08]  * SpamapS goes to lunch
[19:08] <jcastro> hazmat, http://paste.ubuntu.com/891103/
[19:09] <jcastro> hah man, what if it's that apt/ec2 mirror bug
[19:09]  * jcastro assumes it stopped at the Get:
[19:09] <hazmat> jcastro, that's not the whole console output
[19:10] <jcastro> i've run it a few times and that's all I get
[19:13] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I'm about to deploy to a new machine
[19:13] <marcoceppi> if you wnant to try against that one
[19:13] <SpamapS> jcastro: no it takes a few minutes
[19:13] <SpamapS> jcastro: its very lazy in updating
[19:13] <jseutter> SpamapS: Thanks.  I now get a different error: "Invalid value for force_https: False".  Any ideas?
[19:13] <jcastro> ok
[19:13] <SpamapS> jcastro: though I'd expect it to be up to date within 5 minutes
[19:14] <SpamapS> jseutter: more charms that are out of date. :-/
[19:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: ^^
[19:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: any news on that fix?
[19:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: I saw a merge proposal.. would it help if I review it?
[19:14] <hazmat> SpamapS, definitely
[19:14] <SpamapS> jseutter: getall might not have worked. If you have a recent version of charm-tools, try 'charm update --fix path/to/charms
[19:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: ok, will do after lunch
[19:16] <jseutter> SpamapS: nod.  Trying update without the --fix as my client must be too old for it
[19:16] <SpamapS> jseutter: should be in the PPA
[19:16] <jseutter> nope, no luck.
[19:16] <SpamapS> hmm actually looks like the PPA build isn't picking it up
[19:17] <jcastro> ok got it hazmat http://paste.ubuntu.com/891125/
[19:18] <SpamapS> jcastro: halted?
[19:19] <SpamapS> juju-machine-agent start/running, process 4432
[19:19] <SpamapS> thats a normal start... hrm
[19:19] <marcoceppi> Could it be something with my config?
[19:19] <marcoceppi> If jcastro launches a service, I can ssh to it
[19:19] <marcoceppi> If I deploy I can't and he can't
[19:20] <SpamapS> diff your environments.yaml
[19:20] <SpamapS> could be something out of sync there
[19:20] <SpamapS> like, perhaps, ssh-authorized-keys ;)
[19:20] <jcastro> do they need to be exactly the same? or just the specific stanza?
[19:20] <SpamapS> I'd recommend them to be exactly the same at least for that one environment
[19:20] <jcastro> hmm, but this was working fine
[19:21] <jcastro> odd
[19:21] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I am on a different machine now
[19:21] <SpamapS> also same juju versions?
[19:21] <marcoceppi> was on laptop, now at work desktop in the office
[19:21] <jcastro> aha!
[19:21] <jcastro> want me to resend it?
[19:21] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I copied it from my laptop
[19:21] <SpamapS> dpkg -l juju
[19:21] <marcoceppi> FUUUUUUU
[19:21] <marcoceppi> FUUUUUUU
[19:23] <SpamapS> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/16609403.jpg
[19:23] <jcastro> hahaha
[19:24] <marcoceppi> I had a slightly older version of juju, testing.
[19:24] <hazmat> jcastro,  can you pastebin  ec2-describe-instance-attribute --user-data $instance_id
[19:25] <hazmat> oh.. client drift
[19:25] <marcoceppi> not sure if that was the problem, but it could be
[19:25] <SpamapS> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/16609550.jpg
[19:25] <marcoceppi> <3
[19:25] <marcoceppi> DIDN'T FIX :(
[19:26] <marcoceppi> jcastro: i-e34a0f87 is the lastest instance id with this issue
[19:26] <SpamapS> I'd be interested in seeing the userdata for a working and non-working instance too
[19:26] <jcastro> does ec2-blah look for different EC2 creds than the variables I set?
[19:26]  * SpamapS is about to pass out from starvation
[19:26]  * SpamapS needs food.. BADLY
[19:27]  * SpamapS shot the food
[19:30] <marcoceppi> no changes between stanzas
[19:32] <marcoceppi> dang this is getting really annoying
[19:39] <_mup_> juju/status-changes r482 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:39] <_mup_> all unit/machine agent states reported in key 'agent-state'
[19:41] <jcastro> marcoceppi, how about just relaunching a new environment?
[19:41] <marcoceppi> jcastro: we'd have to destroy the current env, which would mean no more omgubuntu
[19:41] <jcastro> wait huh?
[19:42] <marcoceppi> you talking about destroy-environment?
[19:42] <jcastro> no
[19:42] <jcastro> just creating a new one
[19:42] <jcastro> and just "juju -enewthing deploy blah"
[19:42] <jcastro> we can do that right?
[19:42] <marcoceppi> Oh, like we talked about last night?
[19:42] <jcastro> nod
[19:42] <marcoceppi> yeah, we can try that
[19:44] <jcastro> ok so maybe create a new one, but have hazmat and spamaps in there too
[19:44] <_mup_> juju/status-changes r483 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:44] <_mup_> all unit/machine agent states reported in key 'agent-state'
[19:46] <hazmat> oi.. a clone env command sounds like fun
[19:46] <marcoceppi> hazmat: that would be sweet
[19:46] <marcoceppi> actually, hazmat, anything bad that might happen if we change the control-bucket and re-bootstrap an already "bootstrapped" aws account?
[19:47] <hazmat> marcoceppi, ever seen ghost busters.. don't cross the streams ;-)
[19:47] <hazmat> marcoceppi, if you change the control-bucket your changing the identity for all intents and purposes
[19:48] <marcoceppi> so..that's a don't go there? I mean, the crossed the streams and took out the marshmellow man.
[19:48] <marcoceppi> that was a good thing :)
[19:48] <jcastro> Alright, this bucket is TOAST.
[19:48] <hazmat> currently juju does environment identity by env name + control bucket data, changing those effectively orphan an existing an environment
[19:48] <marcoceppi> so, what I've done is copied the stanza and made omgthisisreal with a different control bucket
[19:48] <marcoceppi> so the old stanza is still there
[19:49] <hazmat> and switching to an existing one, that's already bootstrapped.. and then bootstrapping again, it should error at you that the env is already bootstrapped.
[19:50] <marcoceppi> darn
[19:50] <marcoceppi> jcastro: We can just launch smalls on my AWS instead
[19:50] <marcoceppi> nbd
[19:50] <jcastro> hazmat, right so my concern is the current setup has the live site
[19:50] <jcastro> indeed
[19:50] <jcastro> marcoceppi, wait one, let me ask about reimbursement
[19:50] <marcoceppi> *shrug* k
[19:51] <jcastro> you've done enough work for the past 3 days, $ is where I draw the line. :)
[19:52] <jcastro> oh hey, would generating a new pair work?
[19:53] <jcastro> like just generating a new pair of access creds for AWS?
[19:55] <_mup_> juju/status-changes r483 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:55] <_mup_> hyphenate unit agent error states
[19:57] <jcastro> hazmat, would that work?
[19:58] <hazmat> jcastro, ECONTEXT, you mean giving out an IAM/subaccount off AWS?
[19:58] <hazmat> or you mean getting access to the instances that are running that are not shell accessible?
[19:58] <jcastro> yeah, if I generate a new access and private key to marco
[19:58] <jcastro> and he puts that in his environments.yaml, and then bootstraps
[19:58] <hazmat> jcastro, yeah.. that's viable
[19:58] <jcastro> he can do what he needs without colliding with the existing running thing?
[20:01] <hazmat> jcastro, as long as its a separate env yes
[20:01] <hazmat> time to pick up the kido from day care, bbiab
[20:09] <ninjix> SpamapS: can juju ask cobbler to provision more available instances?
[20:10] <ninjix> looking at the cobbler.py, I only see functions that use only what cobbler has provisioned
[20:55] <SpamapS> ninjix: not sure I fully understand the question. Cobbler is for provisioning servers..
[20:55] <SpamapS> ninjix: it can treat VMs like servers.. but.. if you want to create new VM's, thats more koan's territory
[21:00] <ninjix> SpamapS: i see.
[21:01]  * SpamapS reads backscroll with agony
[21:01] <SpamapS> marcoceppi: I think hazmat may have misunderstood your question
[21:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: ^^
[21:02] <SpamapS> If you guys want to use the same AWS account, but with a new environment.. just create a new environment name, with a diffeent control bucket. That is all.
[21:02]  * hazmat back tracks
[21:02] <marcoceppi> sweet
[21:02] <hazmat> oh.. yeah.. totally
[21:03] <hazmat> i thought it was switching a bootstrapped env bucket to another bootstrapped env bucket, thus losing the original in the process
[21:03] <SpamapS> Yeah I know
[21:03] <SpamapS> No they're just making a new env
[21:05] <robbiew> I'd also recommend setting your default environment to the non-production one...so if you forget to use "-e", you don't hose the production deployment
[21:05]  * robbiew learned that the hard way...lol
[21:06] <SpamapS> YES
[21:06] <_mup_> juju/juju-status-changes-spec r7 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <_mup_> Addressed review points, along with an expanded example
[21:06] <SpamapS> in fact, I was thinking the other day that production envs should be named impossible to type things like x848310f0f0assdf9a9sf-dont-delete-me
[21:06] <robbiew> heh
[21:07] <imbrandon> SpamapS: and you have to enter it in reverse so no c/p
[21:08] <SpamapS> and the terminal has to be in Cyrillic to read it
[21:08] <imbrandon> heh, wingdings
[21:08] <imbrandon> or whatever that gawd aweful font is named
[21:09] <imbrandon> actually I've been using a font called Anonymous Pro lately for terms and IDE's and such and grown quite attached to it, despite the name its free ( as in beer ) dunno bout oss
[21:10] <imbrandon> but quite nice
[21:10] <imbrandon> created especially for terms and ide code use
[21:13] <SpamapS> imbrandon: the Ubuntu fixed font was also created with that in mind
[21:14] <imbrandon> SpamapS: yea but i could not find a way to get that other than ON ubnutu, and even as a core dev i dont spend much time on a ubuntu desktop if any actually, mostly all via ssh or remote forwarded x sessions rarely
[21:15] <imbrandon> but if there is a ttf avail for me to use on OSX i'd be more than willing to give it a shot
[21:15] <imbrandon> :)
[21:17] <imbrandon> hrm i might look and see if the lic for it will allow me to package it in a brew app and make it easy for any osx users to use if thats the case
[21:18]  * imbrandon assumes its on LP somehwere and goes to dig
[21:19] <SpamapS> I'm quite confident the license is permissive :)
[21:19] <imbrandon> i assumed it would be, and i found font.ubuntu.com :)
[21:20] <imbrandon> ahh even a Cyrillic version , there we go SpamapS thats what the prod name must be in
[21:20] <imbrandon> :)
[21:44] <negronjl> jamespage: ping
[22:03] <jamespage> negronjl, pong
[22:04] <SpamapS> jamespage: did you disable the reboot test? I don't see it anymore on jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com
[22:04] <negronjl> jamespage: had a question about the tomcat7 charm but, i figured it out.
[22:05] <jamespage> SpamapS, its still running - just not appearing on the dash
[22:05] <jamespage> I need to land the final fixes to usit tomorrow
[22:05] <SpamapS> AHH ok
[22:14] <jcastro> robbiew, yeah I know about default to not be prod, I also hosed myself in the past with that
[22:16]  * SpamapS too
[23:49] <cowmix> the juju docs say the project is 'early access' and don't use it for deployments. will that change for 12.04?


[00:00] <cory_fu> petevg: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-apache-zeppelin/pull/13
[01:01] <pragsmike> greets
[01:03] <lazyPower> return greetings pragsmike
[01:03] <pragsmike> beta18!
[01:04] <rick_h_> on the way
[01:04] <pragsmike> how long does it usually take before a release winds up in http://ppa.launchpad.net/juju/devel/ubuntu
[01:04] <rick_h_> pragsmike: few hours for things like getting launchpad builds and such
[01:04] <pragsmike> k
[01:05] <rick_h_> streams sync/etc
[01:05] <pragsmike> is there a picture somewhere of that process
[01:05] <pragsmike> it sounds cool
[01:05] <rick_h_> not that I've got handy unfortunately
[01:06] <rick_h_> it's part magic heh
[01:15] <lazyPower> rick_h_ - at some point, you should give a talk over our release pipeline for juju
[01:16] <lazyPower> as a lightning talk :)
[01:16] <rick_h_> lazyPower: hah, I see what you did there :P
[01:17] <lazyPower> i do try :D
[12:31] <pragsmike> It's not just you! http://streams.canonical.com looks down from here.
[12:40] <hloeung> pragsmike: try now
[12:45] <pragsmike> ok, that's reachable now, thanks
[13:48] <pragsmike> sad to report that even with beta18 my containers still end up on the lxdbr0 bridge, and not on br-eno1
[13:50] <pragsmike> i'm trying again, this time with MAAS 2.0.0+bzr5189-0ubuntu1 as Dimiter said he hadn't tested with MAAS 2.1.0 alpha yet
[14:40] <pragsmike> MAAS 2.0 from stable won't even successfully deploy the machine to run the juju controller, curtin hangs forever on "install kernel"
[14:40] <pragsmike> so i'm going back to MAAS 2.1


[13:43] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[13:43] <Kilos> tunisia playing za soccer now
[13:44] <Kilos> im sure that team doesnt live on dates and camel milk


[00:21] <ubotu> New bug: #154627 in launchpad "team membership approval/decline messages should be separated in context between lp added text and content of the message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154627
[00:37] <sistpoty> ubotu: mark it as wishlist, please... thanks
[00:38] <kiko-zzz> yawn yawn yawn
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #154714 in launchpad "bzr 0.91's make file assumes 'python' is the right python executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154714
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #154897 in launchpad "Lifecycle menu should display the date of release end" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154897
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #154459 in upgrade-system (universe) "Configuration File Change: Old Man Mindset (dup-of: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154459
[21:59] <lifeless> SteveA: ping
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #155115 in launchpad-answers "Extraneous post and e-mail when already indicated "Solved"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155115
[23:52] <imbrandon> on the PPA's if i specify gutsy in the changelog will it build against gutsy or only the current development release ? ( thinking aobut use for pre-testing official backports )
[23:53]  * imbrandon is going afk for a moment, if someone gets back to me please hilight my name so i can read the backlog easier )


[00:05] <mup> PR snapd#6611 opened: interfaces/builtin: add add exec "/" to docker-support <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6611>
[00:06] <mup> PR snapd#6612 opened: interfaces/builtin: add dev/pts/ptmx access to docker_support <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6612>
[00:08] <mup> PR snapd#6613 opened: interfaces/builtin: add dev/pts/ptmx access to docker_support (for 2.38) <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6613>
[00:21] <mup> PR snapd#6614 opened: cmd/snap-confine: use fixed private tmp directory <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6614>


[06:03] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee |isHere! :)
[06:03] <crimsun> hoo rah!
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato, crimsun!
[06:44] <Jucato> Hi Hobbsee_ the 3rd :)
[07:13] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[07:15] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal!
[07:15] <nixternal> for some odd reason, my initial connection to kde svn is very slow
[07:15] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:16] <Jucato> heh:)
[07:16] <Hobbsee> night Jucato
[07:16] <nixternal> do i need to worry? ;p
[07:16] <Jucato> no not at all :)
[07:16] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good afternoon :)
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:16] <Jucato> I just feel soooo sleepy
[07:16] <nixternal> sleepy sleep then :)
[08:31] <yuriy> Hobbsee: why wine?
[08:31] <yuriy> *whine
[08:32] <Hobbsee> yuriy: being /queried and bitched at by a guy who hasnt actually directly helped ubuntu, about how the releases and dev team is crap.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> and MOTU
[08:33] <yuriy> yuck.
[08:33] <crimsun> /msg Hobbsee PONIES
[08:33] <crimsun> err
[08:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yuriy: indeed.
[08:38] <yuriy> hmm raw conversion in digikam doesn't seem to work
[12:32] <seaLne> is there anyway so that when you open a writable file via an kioslave to open it rw rather than ro?  i get this with samba and fish, you have to right click to get rw?
[12:37] <Riddell> you mean open in (say) kate proper rather than in kate embedded part?
[12:39] <seaLne> not sure if its just my setup, but it opened in kate proper, but wouldn't allow me to write in todays instance when in a blog posting i clicked on a link to file on a samba share which all opened fine
[12:41] <seaLne> hmm fish does just use kpart
[12:43] <seaLne> i wonder what typical users expect to get from clicking on a file that is writable, probably that it would behave the same as a local file, i wonder if this is a filebrowser/web browser concept problem
[01:51] <Riddell> seaLne: even for http I'm not sure how it decides whether to embed or open the app
[01:56] <seaLne> yeah i suppose webdav would be another victim
[02:25] <Riddell> anyone want to work on the Herd2 page?
[02:32] <Riddell> sebas: power manager broked
[02:32] <Riddell>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/powermanage.py", line 42, in _readValue
[02:32] <Riddell>     fhandle = open(file)
[02:33] <Riddell> IOError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq'
[02:33] <Riddell> hi pinheiro
[02:33] <pinheiro> hi Riddell
[02:34] <pinheiro> how you doing?
[02:36] <Riddell> I'm good, any news?
[02:37] <Jucato> hi Riddell, hi pinheiro!
[02:37] <pinheiro> Riddell:  none
[02:38] <pinheiro> apart from lots of work in the kde artfront
[02:38] <pinheiro> but that is hardly somthing new :P
[02:40] <mhb> hi Jucato, yes you were right ... somebody writing UWN has mistaken the two words (windeco/widget style)
[02:42] <Riddell> mhb: didn't you write that?
[02:43] <mhb> Riddell: no, I just cleaned up the Kubuntu/Meetings mess
[02:44] <Riddell> oh, I wonder who wrote it then
[02:46] <Jucato> ryanacka?
[02:51] <Riddell> top bloke whoever it was :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> hey Riddell how's it going dude, its been a while, happy new year
[02:55] <Riddell> hi jsgotangco, it's going well thanks, how's your archipeligo?
[02:55] <mhb> Riddell: nixternal
[02:55] <jsgotangco> Riddell: pretty good, travelling next week to indonesia for an asia-wide foss workshop, work is doing good, started working on some edubuntu stuff again
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: ^^ did the UWN kubuntu-meeting part
[02:56] <Riddell> like I said, top bloke
[02:58] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:14] <sebas> Riddell: What machine?
[03:14] <Riddell> sebas: mine
[03:14] <Riddell> thinkpad
[03:14] <sebas> Can  you ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ ?
[03:15] <sebas> I can whip up a patch in a minute then
[03:15] <Riddell> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/
[03:15] <Riddell> ls: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/: No such file or directory
[03:15] <Riddell> ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[03:15] <Riddell> crash_notes  topology
[03:16] <Riddell> sebas: cpu scaling is broken in linux on my cheapo r40e so it gets turned off at some point near to bootup
[03:16] <Riddell> or not loaded or something
[03:17] <sebas> Interesting, I'll make that part more stable then. You'll have to test a patch then which first detects it and later *not* assumes it's still there.
[03:21] <Riddell> sebas: cool, happy to test whenever
[03:25] <sebas> Riddell: I've emailed you a patch, let me know if that helps.
[03:29] <Riddell>   File "/usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance/powermanage.py", line 346, in getCpuState
[03:29] <Riddell>     for v in freqs.split():
[03:29] <Riddell> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'freqs' referenced before assignment
[03:30] <sebas> Ow, shit.
[03:30] <sebas> Add a "return state" after the state['online']  = False please
[03:32] <Riddell> sebas: that does the job
[03:33] <Riddell> yep, working nicely now
[03:33] <Riddell> which means I can go to lunch!  yay
[03:34] <sebas> Eet smakelijk
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:54] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[04:57] <Riddell> ah, nixternal, are you able to work on the herd 2 pages for a release in a few hours?
[05:03] <nixternal> i can do that here in a few, yes
[05:03] <nixternal> i was going to work on it last night, but my intertube became mangled and i was out for the night :(
[05:04] <Riddell> intertube?
[05:05] <nixternal> internet :)
[05:05] <nixternal> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> heh :)
[05:05] <nixternal> don't know why i was thinking of an intertube
[05:08] <nixternal> Riddell: kdesu ls   <- what's up with this one?
[05:13] <Riddell> nixternal: it's the dots in the password box
[05:13] <Riddell> instead of X's
[05:13] <Riddell> happens in any password field
[05:13] <Riddell> ooh, it's amu!
[05:14] <nixternal> ahh, ok
[05:15] <Riddell> nixternal: so crop the screenshot to only show the centre
[06:07] <Riddell> sebas: you should do a talk about power manager at fosdem
[06:28] <nixternal> Riddell: briefly explain iconic directories?
[06:29] <Jucato> lol @ "rm -rf /"
[06:29] <mhb> Jucato: what's so funny about that?
[06:30] <Jucato> mhb: the screenshot that's going to be used...
[06:34] <Jucato> yeah
[06:34] <mhb> thanks nixternal
[06:34] <nixternal> i haven't gotten there just yet, i wanted to make a "scare the crap out of the user" warning so they don't do that :)
[06:34] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:34] <nixternal> i was going to do a new screenshot, but said nah, i think this will add a little humour to us :)
[06:34] <Jucato> dangerous humor :P
[06:35] <Jucato> mhb: were you able to correct the UWN article?
[06:37] <mhb> Jucato: I haven't tried because I was not sure if that is allowed
[06:37] <Jucato> afaik, it was. I remember editing it once, after asking permission from jjesse.
[06:38] <mhb> nixternal: ^^ is one allowed to make a correction in the UWN?
[06:38] <nixternal> ya, what correction is needed?
[06:38] <nixternal> Jucato: you can make the correction as well ;)
[06:38] <Jucato> nixternal: I made one before. but it's mhb's concern :)
[06:38] <nixternal> now look at the warning i put up :)
[06:38] <nixternal> it is a public wiki, don't worry :)
[06:39] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:39] <mhb> nixternal: a great guy has made a UWN article about the Kubuntu Meeting, but he wrote that I discussed a new "window decoration", it was a new "widget style"
[06:40] <nixternal> that great guy was me :)
[06:40] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:41] <mhb> nixternal: I know
[06:41] <Jucato> :)
[06:41] <nixternal> you know the funny thing, i specifically remember widget as well
[06:41] <nixternal> don't know why i got into a windeco frame of mind
[06:42] <Jucato> maybe the same reason why you got into an intertube frame of mind? :)
[06:42] <mhb> nixternal: it's easy to mix it, I did that myself a few times when writing about it
[06:42] <mhb> nixternal: it's really nothing serious, but it's great if that could be fixed
[06:42] <nixternal> ya, but i remember us talking about widgets the night before, because i installed the latest as well :)
[06:43] <Riddell> nixternal: if you go to "/" in konqueror you get pretty icons for home and /media
[06:43] <nixternal> thanks Riddell
[06:45] <nixternal> for some odd reason i can boot the latest daily
[06:47] <Riddell> that's a good thing
[06:56] <nixternal> lol
[06:56] <nixternal> damn, I can't boot :)
[06:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:56] <Riddell> oh, that's not good
[06:56] <Riddell> what happens?
[06:56] <nixternal> nothing
[06:56] <nixternal> it tries to boot, skips the cd and goes to grub
[07:01] <Riddell> sounds like a bad CD
[07:02] <nixternal> very well could be, i shall try another burn
[07:08] <nixternal> how long until the Herd is released?
[07:09] <Riddell> nixternal: ubuntu is lagging and still needs their desktop CDs tested I believe
[07:09] <Riddell> but this european evening
[07:09] <nixternal> ok, so at least a few hours yet
[07:09] <Riddell> yes
[07:09] <nixternal> good, i want to grab a couple of screenshots yet
[07:09] <nixternal> i installed herd1, but with udpates the kscd and kaudiocreator is still there and there were no visual changes to kaffeine
[07:10] <nixternal> s/is/are
[07:11] <mhb> Has Tonio done the Amarok option in a context menu when an audio CD is inserted?
[07:12] <mhb> there were some translation issues that I have not seen before
[07:12] <nixternal> Riddell: the 2nd burn didn't work either, the latest daily is not booting
[07:13] <Riddell> worked fine for me last night
[07:13] <nixternal> 20070111?
[07:13] <Riddell> there is no daily 20070111 for kubuntu
[07:13] <nixternal> ya there is
[07:13] <nixternal> lol
[07:13] <Riddell> only a daily-live
[07:14] <nixternal> oh ya, sorry
[07:14] <nixternal> 20070110 gave me the issues
[07:14] <Riddell> and that definately works fine
[07:14] <Riddell> well, for me anyway :)
[07:14] <nixternal> hrmm, 2 burns, 3 different computers :/
[07:15] <Riddell> how many CD media?
[07:15] <nixternal> 2
[07:15] <mhb> you cannot run a CD check with a daily CD?
[07:15] <Riddell> hmm
[07:15] <nixternal> i can't even boot to do a check
[07:16] <Riddell> mhb: his problem is it doesn't get to the CD boot screen
[07:16] <mhb> Riddell: oh
[07:16] <Riddell> anyone else able to test?
[07:16] <nixternal> im grabbing a live cd
[07:16] <nixternal> and my issue was with daily/current
[07:17] <mhb> I've downloaded a daily recently, I'll run rsync and test
[07:18] <Riddell> mhb: thanks
[07:48] <mhb> current feisty daily build works for me
[07:49] <mhb> well, at least I'm able to boot it
[07:50] <Riddell> phew
[07:50] <Riddell> mhb: desktop CD?
[07:51] <mhb> Riddell: yes
[07:51] <Riddell> thanks
[08:07] <nixternal> Riddell: i can boot the live, but cannot boot the alternate
[08:12] <nixternal> Riddell: i thought kaffeine removed the audio shortcuts?
[08:13] <Riddell> nixternal: should have done
[08:14] <nixternal> lovely, with the desktop cd, i get right past the select location, and i get a 50/50 screen of ping (bottom) and gray with diaganol lines (top)
[08:14] <nixternal> s/ping/pink
[08:14] <toma> Riddell: are the sync people busy / is there a known delay?
[08:15] <Riddell> nixternal: control-alt-F1; alt-F7
[08:15] <Riddell> nixternal: it's a known issue
[08:15] <Riddell> toma: I don't know if anyone is paying much attention to syncs, what's the package?
[08:15] <nixternal> thanks!
[08:15] <toma> Riddell: mailody
[08:17] <Riddell> toma: bug number?
[08:17] <toma> i'll make a new release for the uvf
[08:17] <nixternal> how come with feisty, it sees all hard drives as scsi?
[08:17] <toma> Riddell: bug #77711
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77711 in mailody "Please sync 0.3.0-1 with Debian experimental" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77711
[08:17] <Riddell> nixternal: new parallel IDE driver wheejum
[08:17] <nixternal> gotcha
[08:19] <Riddell> jdong: what's the GNU HASH thing you were talking about earlier?
[08:19] <jdong> Riddell, it's a new linker hash style in feisty's libc
[08:20] <jdong> speeds up dynamic linking significantly, like prelink
[08:20] <jdong> only no need to run a time-consuming binary-modifying command every week :)
[08:20] <jdong> FC6 included it and the first thing their KDE reviews talk about is the speed :)
[08:20] <Riddell> jdong: what's the downside?
[08:21] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu  is almost ready
[08:21] <jdong> Riddell, it makes binaries a tad larger, but mostly that is unnoticeable
[08:21] <Riddell> toma: mithrandir says he'll look at it tomorrow along with other archive admin stuff
[08:21] <jdong> Riddell, and oh yeah, it requires a system compiled from ground-up with new enough libc to support it :)
[08:21] <jdong> both of which are mostly done in feisty :)
[08:22] <toma> Riddell: oki!
[08:22] <jdong> IMO at least KUbuntu release notes should make mention of that :)
[08:32] <nixternal> Herd (almost)2 is installed :)
[09:16] <kwwii> moin
[09:20] <Riddell> hi kwwii
[09:20] <kwwii> howdy Riddell
[09:22] <Riddell> crivvens
[09:26] <kwwii> well, I am an artist :p
[09:26] <kwwii> but my wife keeps looking at me strange
[09:26] <kwwii> like I sold her first born or something
[09:35] <nixternal> kwwii: well did you sell her first born? ;)
[09:36] <nixternal> they don't look at ya like that unless you did something they didn't agree with, trust me, i get that look 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, and lord have it if it is a leap year ;p
[09:37] <nixternal> oh kwwii -> http://www.blarneyisland.com/
[09:37] <nixternal> you know you miss it
[09:39] <kwwii> nixternal: not yet, it will take a while till the camera comes in :-)
[09:40] <kwwii> haha! sweet!
[09:40] <kwwii> I feel at home
[09:40] <kwwii> a butt-white girl in a bikini
[09:40] <nixternal> man, blarney has gotten big, they even have a bar in florida now
[09:40] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[09:40] <kwwii> wow, that is amazing
[09:40] <nixternal> we don't get any sun in chicago, you know that
[09:41] <kwwii> well, I get even less in germany
[09:41] <kwwii> trust me on that one
[09:41] <nixternal> hehe
[09:42] <kwwii> thinking about moving back home though
[09:42] <nixternal> really?
[09:42] <kwwii> yeah, I work from home, and my wife has a masters degree in english and journalism
[09:42] <nixternal> guess i will have to buy a new boat then, we can meet up an hack! or get drunk
[09:42] <kwwii> hehe
[09:42] <kwwii> definitely
[09:43] <kwwii> my family always had a house-boat
[09:43] <kwwii> but my dad sold his last boat a few years ago
[09:43] <Riddell> nixternal: do I want to know what that website is about?
[09:44] <nixternal> Riddell: it is a bar where kwwii is from
[09:44] <nixternal> about an hour north of where i live
[09:44] <nixternal> it is a bar out in the middle of a lake
[09:44] <kwwii> sounds boring but it is not
[09:44] <nixternal> so don't think about drinking and walking home :)
[09:45] <kwwii> hehe, exactly
[09:45] <nixternal> heh, i was cheap a few years back and bought 2 jet skis just so we can goto blarneys
[09:46] <nixternal> you can pay like $5 or $10 for a water taxi, take your own boat, or jet ski. and they  have extreme boating in the summer (jet boats and what not)
[09:47] <Riddell> it's on an island then?
[09:48] <nixternal> yes
[09:48] <nixternal> well no, it is almost like a floating bar
[09:48] <kwwii> yeah
[09:48] <kwwii> it is not an island
[09:48] <kwwii> not really
[09:48] <kwwii> and it is on a chain of lakes
[09:48] <nixternal> it sits on posts
[09:50] <kwwii> orignally it was a dock on the shore of a lake
[09:50] <kwwii> then they made a damn which cut it off from dry land
[09:51] <kwwii> well, before it was that it was a houseboat that a guy ran as a bar in the early 1900's
[09:54] <firephoto> ubiquity is crashing with the daily-live here. bug 78847
[09:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78847 in ubiquity "Installer Crashed kubuntu daily-live 20070111 i386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78847
[09:56] <Riddell> firephoto: yarg, thanks for reporting
[09:57] <Riddell> although I'm sure that code is well tested
[09:57] <Riddell> firephoto: are you able to take a screenshot of that page before it crashes?
[09:58] <firephoto> Riddell: i see an ubiquity update, i'll try that.
[09:59] <firephoto>  yeah, it looks fine, just pops up the crashed window after the user/host/password page
[10:00] <Riddell> firephoto: not after the partitioning step?
[10:00] <firephoto> nope, during disk detection.
[10:01] <firephoto> 2 maybe 3 little progress windows go by, then the crash. too fast to see what the last one is saying.
[10:01] <firephoto> same thing with the update btw.
[10:02] <Riddell> firephoto: ok, screenshot no use then
[10:03] <firephoto> i found something in the .xsession-errors, i'll put that on the bug.
[10:04] <Riddell> firephoto: I can't look at this immediately I'm afraid, but it's high on my todo
[10:06] <firephoto> Riddell: ok, i'm sure the hardware has something to do with it. this is on an Intel G965 system. I updated that bug.
[10:15] <Riddell> firephoto: it looks like a bug in the frontend, just a hardware config I havn't tried before which makes it set values in a way none of my machines do
[10:16] <Riddell> firephoto: you could run the gtk frontend and see if that works to confirm
[10:16] <Riddell> sudo apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-gtk
[10:24] <firephoto> Riddell: ok, i'll try that.
[10:30] <firephoto> Riddell: it failed at the same spot but took longer after the step 5 page to pop up the Installer crashed window.
[10:38] <Riddell> firephoto: same crash?
[10:39] <firephoto> looks like it, i updated the bug with new logs
[10:41] <Riddell> all very confusing
[10:43] <firephoto> i'm going to try the amd64 cd, and if that's the same i'll try disconnecting one of the hard drives.
[11:13] <elcuco> can anyone help me confrim a bug?
[11:13] <elcuco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/78856
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78856 in kdebase "kdesktop in ltr in hebrew" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[11:14] <elcuco> basically, killall kdesktop, strace -f -eopen -o 1.txt kdesktop, and then see it kdelibs.mo is loaded (search for it in 1.txt)
[11:15] <elcuco> i assume this will work also on non hebrew translations
[11:42] <firephoto> Riddell: I disconnected the IDE drive and it seems to be working. There must still be some problems with the core2duo boards and the IDE hard disk support from the livecd.(?)
[11:59] <Riddell> firephoto: it's still probably an issue with the front end code