[03:29] <mikechelen> is there some way to change window title bar size?
[03:30] <likemindead> Settings>Window Manager gives you a lot of options.
[03:31] <likemindead> Also, Settings>Window Manager Tweaks
[03:37] <likemindead> mikechelen, that help?
[03:38] <mikechelen> likemindead, it lets the title font size be changed, however then the text starts to overflow the titlebar
[03:39] <likemindead> Probably have to edit a config file...
[03:39] <mikechelen> any idea where? only guess might be the theme
[03:42] <likemindead> Hmm... it looks like the "User Interface" settings aren't in Jaunty...
[03:45] <likemindead> Sorry, mikechelen, I'm usually trying to make things smaller...
[03:47] <mikechelen> likemindead, hehe thanks anyway, shows how custom options are needed to allow adjustments either direction :D
[03:48] <likemindead> Oh, I'm sure it's possible to adjust, I just don't know where to do it.
[03:51] <mikechelen> might look around, depends how complicated it turns out to be
[03:51] <tdapple> anyone help me, i'm looking for a xubuntu icon..just the rat in the ubuntu symbol
[03:51] <tdapple> never mind...got it
[04:05] <mikechelen> how do you disable system beep in xubuntu?
[04:06] <likemindead> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/blacklist-your-pc-speaker/
[04:07] <likemindead> Or
[04:07] <likemindead> http://blog.golden-ratio.net/2008/04/29/installation-of-xubuntu/
[04:53] <xubuntu> hello..
[04:53] <likemindead> Ahoy. Love your OS.
[04:53] <xubuntu> ahoy
[04:58] <forces> what is ahoy?
[04:59] <likemindead> !google ahoy
[04:59] <likemindead> ...
[05:00] <likemindead> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ahoy
[05:00] <xubuntu> heh
[05:01] <forces> ?
[05:01] <xubuntu> hail.. likemindead
[05:01] <xubuntu> :)
[05:01] <forces> ahoy = idiot
[05:01] <forces> in japanesse
[05:01] <xubuntu> thought I  read something else..
[05:01] <xubuntu> in English
[06:21] <pegon> I am on xfce4..and in the panel how do I get that little icon that shows me if my laptop is plugged in or running on battery?
[07:35] <SnowKitty> hello
[07:36] <SnowKitty> anyone around?
[07:42] <artistxe> no
[07:43] <SnowKitty> D:
[07:43] <SnowKitty> i borked my craptop
[07:43] <SnowKitty> lol
[07:44] <SnowKitty> apparently xubuntu hates the onboard video card in my laptop
[07:46] <Myrtti> SnowKitty: please elaborate
[07:46] <SnowKitty> the graphics are all fucked up, i got it installed but i cant get the video working right
[07:46] <SnowKitty> i tried booting in safe graphics mode too and it appears to hang at a funky white screen
[07:47] <SnowKitty> it's hard to explain, i'll try and get some pics in a lil bit
[07:48] <SnowKitty> ill list off the specs if you need em
[07:49] <SnowKitty> it's an HP pavillion N5495... has 512MB PC133 ram, 1.06ghz tualatin P3, some shitty intel onboard video chip, 30GB hdd
[07:50] <Myrtti> SnowKitty: please mind your language, we try to keep the channels suitable for all ages and cultures...
[07:50] <Myrtti> anyway
[07:50] <SnowKitty> oh, sorry
[07:51] <SnowKitty> i got this machine for free a while back, ive tried XP on it and it didnt run as well as id have liked, windows 2000 ran okay, but i wanted to try linux on it
[07:51] <SnowKitty> problem is, there's something going wrong here and im only really familiar with mac os and windows :|
[07:52] <Myrtti> SnowKitty: you could pastebin "sudo lshw -c display" so we'd know what intel exactly you've got
[07:53] <SnowKitty> okay, but the display can be hard to read cause of the graphics issues
[07:53] <SnowKitty> lemme boot it up and snap a pic
[07:53] <SnowKitty> oh
[07:54] <SnowKitty> i forgot to mention that when i start up off the CD the menu where i select the options and stuff (whether i wanna boot from CD or install) comes up perfectly fine
[07:54] <SnowKitty> after it boots though the graphics go all weird
[07:57] <SnowKitty> okay, i got some pics. im gonna upload em to photobucket
[08:02] <SnowKitty> and i typed in the command you gave me, it says intel 82830
[08:04] <SnowKitty> and here's a pic of what the screen looks like: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m280/desukat/messedupgraphics.jpg
[08:07] <SnowKitty> could it be something's set wrong? or is it a driver issue?
[08:11] <artistxe> is this 9.04 or 8.10 ?
[08:11] <mikechelen> SnowKitty, does changing resolution help at all?
[08:11] <SnowKitty> nope
[08:11] <SnowKitty> it's 9.04
[08:12] <SnowKitty> this laptop apparently has some nasty hardware bugs, the speakers sometimes kick back on wheil you have headphones in, and sometimes the keybaord/trackpad stop working till you put it to sleep and wake it again
[08:13] <artistxe> anyway. I have a quick question. I am looking for a list of programs that run inside terminal only  ( like vim,irssi,snownews ,....)
[08:13] <SnowKitty> *while
[08:13] <SnowKitty> i looked into it and ive seen that several other people had those problems too
[08:14] <mikechelen> do you know what video chip it uses?
[08:16] <artistxe> run an lspci . google for problems with your card
[08:17] <artistxe> btw. I am waiting until 9.04 is out for awhile before upgrading. better to be safe and hope the bugs get worked out.
[08:17] <SnowKitty> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel830m/
[08:17] <SnowKitty> there it is
[08:17] <SnowKitty> intel 830M
[08:20] <artistxe> http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-010512.htm             you may want to update/ replace (with vesa drivers)
[08:23] <mikechelen> 9.04 is causing no troubles for me, although it may vary by hardware
[08:31] <SnowKitty> gahh
[08:31] <SnowKitty> i cant get this figured out
[08:32] <SnowKitty> someone in another irc channel told me i should try the 810 driver but i have no idea where to get it or how to install it
[08:36] <artistxe> join the world of ...there is probably a fix but it may take some time for you to figure it out.
[08:37] <artistxe> google your brains out.
[08:38] <artistxe> SnowKitty, was 8.10 working fine for you ?
[08:38] <SnowKitty> i havent tried that
[08:38] <artistxe> if so, you can always revert.
[08:38] <artistxe> ah.k
[08:38] <SnowKitty> i was running windows 2000 before i tried 9.04
[08:39] <artistxe> not the smartest jump. some users of 8.10 have had problems with 9.04
[08:39] <SnowKitty> rofl
[08:39] <SnowKitty> i think i should have asked around ehre before i wasted a CDR on this one
[08:40] <SnowKitty> **here
[08:40] <artistxe> seriously. have seen it referred to as "The jerkoff Jackelope "
[08:41] <SnowKitty> lol
[08:42] <artistxe> well. I use xubuntu intrepid and tmxxine prism . both are best (imho) distros to use for ease of mind. eventually you will graduate to Gentoo
[08:42] <SnowKitty> im gonna try rehular ubuntu right now, should i get 8.04 or 9.04
[08:42] <SnowKitty> *regular
[08:43] <artistxe> seriously. "regular" ubuntu is bloated.
[08:43] <artistxe> get xubuntu 8.10
[08:43] <artistxe>  (intrepid)
[08:44] <gabkdlly> I myself graduated from Gentoo to Ubuntu :)
[08:46] <SiDi> artistxe: its not *bloated*
[08:46] <SiDi> intel just forgot to code drivers for xorg 1.6
[08:47] <mikechelen> SnowKitty, try searching ubuntuforums.org for intel 830m
[08:47] <SnowKitty> i cant find xubuntu 8.10
[08:48] <SnowKitty> i see 9.04 and 8.0something
[08:48] <SnowKitty> oops
[08:48] <SnowKitty> im blind >.<
[08:48] <SnowKitty> i found it
[08:49] <artistxe> gabkdlly, you got lucky with hardware config then.
[08:49] <artistxe> SiDi : compared to xubuntu , ubuntu is bloated ( methinks)
[08:50] <mikechelen> they are designed for different circumstances
[08:50] <gabkdlly> artistxe: actually, I did end up having to compile my own kernel, since the default has not worked for me since Gutsy
[08:51] <SnowKitty> okay, torrenting up 8.10
[08:54] <mikechelen> compared to fluxbox, xfce seems resource-intensive :D
[08:55] <SnowKitty> o.o;
[08:55] <SnowKitty> whoa
[08:55] <SnowKitty> 1MByte/sec
[08:56] <SnowKitty> 1.1 now
[08:58] <artistxe> mikechelen, is that the wm you use with xubuntu ?
[08:58] <artistxe> I was surprided at how fast e16 ran here when I tried it.
[08:58] <artistxe> erg. need sleep. laters
[08:59] <mikechelen> artistxe, usually with damn small linux, it works fine with ubuntu too though
[09:24] <SnowKitty> whoa
[09:24] <SnowKitty> it works!
[09:27] <_Pete_> famous last words :)
[09:28] <SnowKitty> i guess it was just an issue in 9.04
[09:29]  * SnowKitty installs
[09:57] <slimjimflim> should i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04...any opinions?
[10:06] <mikechelen> sure as long as there are no known problems for your hardware
[10:10] <SnowKitty> woot
[10:10] <SnowKitty> it's got Xchat :3
[10:13] <SnowKitty> yo
[10:13] <SnowKitty> how do i change my touchpad's settings so that it doesnt act like a mouseclick when tapped?
[10:15] <SiDi> !shm
[10:15] <SiDi> SnowKitty: you need to enable SHMConfig in your xorg.conf, then there are plenty of options you can use
[10:16] <SnowKitty> o.o;
[10:17] <SnowKitty> i'm sorry, i have no idea how to do that >.<
[10:17] <SnowKitty> i dont have alot f experience with linux :/
[10:18] <SiDi> i dont know either :p
[10:18] <SiDi> all i know is that you'll need to enable SHMConfig if you want to tweak your touchpad
[10:19] <SnowKitty> damn
[10:20] <SnowKitty> i HATE having it like this
[10:20] <SnowKitty> its annoying
[10:27] <Pixels> hi
[10:27] <Pixels> if I create a USB Boot stick using Xbuntu instead of Ubuntu, will it take less space on a 1GB USB stick?
[10:27] <SiDi> Pixels: its more or less the same space
[10:28] <Pixels> thats too bad :(
[10:28] <Pixels> i was hoping it took less
[10:28]  * Pixels cries
[10:28] <Pixels> SiDi:  you know trhat for fact, or you guessing?
[10:30] <SiDi> I'm guessing
[10:30] <SiDi> compare the size of the ubuntu & xubuntu iso's, Pixels
[10:30] <SiDi> its more or less the same :p
[10:31] <Pixels> thats not what I asked
[10:31] <Pixels> there is an option to create a bootable USB stick in ubuntu
[10:31] <Pixels> does xubuntu have to that too?
[10:32] <SiDi> its called unetbootin if i'm not wrong
[10:32] <SiDi> you can install it
[10:32] <SiDi> everything in ubuntu can be obtained in xubuntu too, we have the same applications available, just not the same installed by default :p
[10:33] <Pixels> ok... so if I create a boot USB stick through Xubuntu, how much space does it take on 1GB stick?
[10:33] <Pixels> if you dont know, just say so
[10:33] <Pixels> i dont want guessing
[10:33] <SiDi> How would i know ? :P
[10:33] <Pixels> SiDi = troll
[10:33] <SiDi> Install and you'll see then
[10:33] <SiDi> oh dear
[10:47] <mikechelen> does usb boot stick maker allow extra packages to be included?
[10:48] <SiDi> you should use the OEM install tools for this
[10:49] <SiDi> and once you built your OEM iso, put it on the key as you would do with an ubuntu iso
[10:54] <mikechelen> where is the oem install tool?
[10:55] <SiDi> I think you'll need the alternate CD
[10:55] <SiDi> and once you're in the cd's menu, press F6 for additional options, and theres the "Create an OEM image" one there
[10:55] <SiDi> If my memory doesnt betray me ~
[11:09] <mikechelen> hmm so how do you select packages from there?
[11:10] <mikechelen> because that is before networking gets brought up
[11:10] <mikechelen> brb
[11:13] <brevolution> hello, I just installed xubuntu over an original ubuntu install, does anyone know a good way to purge unneeded packages to make sure nothing extra is being loaded from gnome?
[11:14] <SiDi> brevolution: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[11:14] <SiDi> this should do it ;)
[11:15] <brevolution> thanks
[11:17] <brevolution> hmm, not quite, I still want to be able to run some gnome/kde apps, but I want to get rid of things like gnome's desktop background renderer (which happens to be what my next question's about)
[11:18] <brevolution> I've got compiz running and want to keep it, and for a while it worked fine with xfce's background image loader, but something (I have no idea what) changed, and now gnome has control of background drawing
[11:19] <brevolution> which wouldn't be a problem except for the fact that gnome only lets you use one image at a time, and I have 2 screens, xfce allows different backgrounds on different physical screens
[11:21] <brevolution> if I reload the window manager I see the proper backgrounds flash for a second but the single-image gnome one covers them up almost immediately
[11:24] <brevolution> and it worked fine for a while, then at one point it stopped; unfortunately I can't remember what I changed or installed around that time
[11:27] <SiDi> brevolution: you probably have nautilus running somewhere
[11:27] <SiDi> nautilus / thunar manage backgrounds in gnome / xfce
[11:28] <brevolution> so I can't use nautilus and xfce's background manager at the same time? or is there a way to disable nautilus' control of that?
[11:29] <halz> hi folks. external usb drive not being found. Nothing in dmesg about it being detected?
[11:29] <SiDi> brevolution: you'd have to launch nautilus as "nautilus --no-background"
[11:29] <SiDi> or no-desktop, im not sure :p
[11:29] <SiDi> either, nautilus will just take control of your desktop
[11:31] <SnowKitty> ugh
[11:32] <SnowKitty> this runs like shit
[11:32] <SnowKitty> i think it might be using software to render the screen
[11:32] <halz> did'nt know sh*t was open source :)
[11:32] <SnowKitty> it is :o
[11:32] <SnowKitty> anyway
[11:33] <halz> lol
[11:33] <SnowKitty> the graphics problems are mostly gone
[11:33] <brevolution> thanks, I'll see if I can find a way to have it always run that way......comes up that way on boot before I open any nautilus windows
[11:33] <SnowKitty> but everything's running kinda slow and the system monitor says its idling at about 10-30% cpu use
[11:34] <SnowKitty> also, even xchat is a little laggy when switching channel windows
[11:34] <halz> I had problems with my inbult intel video being sluggish, but now since I moved to Xubuntu its working fine.
[11:34] <SnowKitty> so im almost positive that its not using hardware for the video right now :/ it feels like windows when it uses the generic vga driver
[11:35] <SnowKitty> i am on xubuntu :|
[11:35] <SnowKitty> im probably gonna find another distro or just stick win2k back on this laptop
[11:35] <SnowKitty> though if i can fix this up ill keep xubuntu on it
[11:35] <halz> play around see what works for you
[11:36] <SnowKitty> also, im getting minor graphic glitches
[11:36] <SnowKitty> little bits of gargabe on some parts of the screen sometimes
[11:37] <SnowKitty> its nowhere near as bad as it was under 9.04 though
[11:37] <halz> I tried gentoo. very nice but alot of work at times when things so wrong
[11:38] <halz> best I have had so far is puppylinux, but its a root only distro, its only down side
[11:39] <SiDi> brevolution: there might be a nautilus preference setting to tell it not to touch the desktop
[11:41] <brevolution> thanks, I think there is one actually, I remember seeing something similar when I was trying to find a solution in the forums, looking through gconf for it right now
[11:42] <SnowKitty> how would i go about installing a driver on this?
[11:42] <SnowKitty> i can find the linux driver for my video card on intels site
[11:43] <SnowKitty> but i dunno how to use it
[11:44] <brevolution> yep, found it, running nautilus -q cleared the gnome background, and there's an option in gconf to stop nautilus from rendering the desktop, you lose icon loading control too, but that's no issue for me
[11:46] <SiDi> anyways if it doesnt load the desktop, xfdesktop will work properly and you'll have your wallpapers ;
[11:48] <SnowKitty> ...
[11:48] <SnowKitty> gahhhh
[11:48] <SnowKitty> something is very wrong here
[11:48] <SnowKitty> firefox has garbage all over the screen
[11:53] <SnowKitty> dammit i give up
[11:54] <SnowKitty> i wish this laptop had a better video card >.<
[13:36] <isaac_> How do you disable the trash function?  I want to just have the file deleted.
[13:36] <isaac_> Why?  Because when I delete something from an external hard drive it copies the whole file into internal hard drive to store in trash bin.
[13:41] <padi999> Hey all
[13:41] <padi999> what is the difference/advantage of xubuntu over kubuntu and ubuntu themselves?
[13:41] <th0r> isaac_: you can install a custom command in thunar
[13:42] <padi999> what about the process/memory leak issues in firefox and xorg in 9.4, does xubuntu have them, too?
[13:43] <th0r> isaac_: in thunar choose Edit-Configure Custom Commands. Then create a new command called Nuke, put in the command 'rm %f', and make sure it is applied to all files
[13:43] <padi999> xorg is in kubuntu 9.4 an extreme cpu hog (all the time over 70%)
[13:43] <padi999> I just don't see, where xubuntu jumps in. On the homepage the usual bs is written. No comparisons/benchmarking/whatever
[13:45] <Slonkie> neither firefox or xorg is using massive amounts of mem/cpu in my system
[13:51] <padi999> Slonkie, thanks, how much mem do you have?
[13:51] <Slonkie> 2gb, padi999
[13:53] <padi999> Slonkie: well I only got 512M
[13:53] <padi999> so, 10% for you is 40% for me
[13:54] <Slonkie> :)
[13:59] <isaac_> th0r where is nuke supposed to show up?
[14:00] <th0r> isaac_: if you created it correctly it will show up on the menu when you right click the file you want to delete
[14:02] <isaac_> Yeah, I found it.  "Appearance" doesn't mean how it looks, it means when it will appear. :/
[14:02] <isaac_> Thank you.
[14:02] <th0r> isaac_: and now that I think of it...you will probably need to add -f to the command ('rm -f %f'). But be aware that when you choose Nuke...it is too late to change your mind <smile>
[14:02] <padi999> Slonkie: the problem really is that when computers got better, newer distros put more functionality into their core packages thus assuming higher ram/better hardware.
[14:03] <padi999> This makes sense to some extent.
[14:03] <Slonkie> i see
[14:03] <padi999> so it "does not make sense" to update if you are stuck with years old hardware
[14:04] <padi999> good article about that: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linux-memory.html
[14:04] <SiDi> padi999: what GPU do you have ?  In 8.10 I had even beryl running smoothly, now in 9.4 I can't even start openoffice within 60s
[14:11] <SiDi> padi999: its because you dont have drivers for your GPU for xorg 1.6
[14:11] <SiDi> mostly because AMD drops support for their GPUs extremely fast
[14:11] <Slonkie> I wonder why, then i add Openoffice PPAs i can't update my openoffice
[14:11] <SiDi> did you try the ATI opensource drivers ?
[14:12] <SiDi> Slonkie: do you get errors about public keys ?
[14:12] <Slonkie> It says i can only do "Partial upgrade" and i'm not able to install any of the Openoffice updates
[14:12] <Slonkie> no i did get the keys SiDi :/
[14:12] <isaac_> Okay, now I'm getting ticked.
[14:12] <SiDi> Slonkie: show me your /etc/apt/sources.list . you're on jaunty, right ?
[14:13] <isaac_> When I open custom actions Thunar automatically  jumps to the Videos folder for some reason.
[14:13] <Slonkie> sure SiDi
[14:13] <SiDi> isaac_: use Shift+Suppr for directly deleting the files btw
[14:13] <brevolution> hmmm...and for some reason wine won't show in the main menu even though it's enabled in the main menu settings editor
[14:13] <isaac_> Thus, the Nuke icon only appears when I right click on something in the videos folder.
[14:13] <SiDi> brevolution: there is no settings editor in Xubuntu :P
[14:13] <Slonkie> http://pastebin.com/m1f6645da there you go, SiDi !
[14:14] <SiDi> no menu editor *
[14:14] <isaac_> How do I get a custom action to appear in ALL folders?
[14:14] <brevolution> so Settings/Main Menu does nothing to the actual menu?
[14:15] <isaac_> And SiDi I got the Shift.  What is Suppr?
[14:15] <Slonkie> super is windows button
[14:15] <isaac_> Ah
[14:15] <SiDi> isaac_: shift+del
[14:15] <SiDi> suppr is the french name for it, sorry x_x
[14:15] <Slonkie> oh lol
[14:16] <SiDi> isaac_: also for your custom action, dont forget to look at the second tab of the custom actions editor : conditions of apparition
[14:16] <SiDi> or whatever its called :p
[14:16] <isaac_> Yes, I got that.  It appears alright, but only when I right click something in Videos folder.
[14:16] <SiDi> Slonkie: just like that, : gksudo software-properties-gtk check if its in double or not. And then do a "sudo apt-get update" and tell me the output
[14:17] <isaac_> For some reason every time I open custom actions menu Thunar jumps to Videos folder.  Thus any custom action I set will only work in Videos.
[14:18] <Slonkie> there one and theres one with (Source code)
[14:18] <Slonkie> That's not wrong, is it SiDi ?
[14:18] <SiDi> is the checkbox "Folder contains videos" chcked isaac_ ?
[14:18] <SiDi> Slonkie: its ok then, do an update in the console to see whats wrong
[14:18] <premorphos> hey! any body knows if WUSB54GC wireless usb dongle, works with free drivers in inteprid
[14:18] <SiDi> http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8325/foo.png isaac_
[14:18] <SiDi> isaac_: tell me which checkboxes are checked/
[14:19] <isaac_> All
[14:19] <padi999> SiDi: aaahh! So should I revert back to 8.10?
[14:20] <Slonkie> http://pastebin.ca/1428698 <- SiDi, I don't see any errors :/
[14:20] <SiDi> padi999: if you cant get drivers for your GPU it could be the safest thing to do.
[14:20] <padi999> SiDi: I tried ati and radeon, yes. But now in 9.4 I don't know how, because it seems that xorg.conf has...changed :)
[14:20] <SiDi> padi999: it has changed, alongside X.org itself :p
[14:21] <padi999> makes sense
[14:21] <SiDi> Slonkie: sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[14:21] <Slonkie> http://pastebin.com/m1778a506
[14:21] <padi999> SiDi: so how can I check if fglrx or ati or radeon is used?
[14:22] <SiDi> padi999: i'm not sure, as i'm a nvidia user. what does lspci | grep VGA says ?
[14:22] <isaac_> Ahhh, THAT explains it!
[14:22] <isaac_> It just won't show up on desktop!
[14:22] <SiDi> isaac_: tell me :p
[14:23] <tavasti> padi999, on /var/loc/Xorg.log you can see what driver is used
[14:23] <isaac_> But it will show in any folder.
[14:23] <padi999> SiDi: already pasted it before: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)
[14:23] <isaac_> Well........ that stinks.  But at least a whole 80 gigabyte folder won't try to copy from external hard drive to my internal hard drive's trash bin when I try to delete it now.
[14:23] <tavasti> sorry, /var/log/...
[14:23] <isaac_> Thankee all.
[14:23] <SiDi> isaac_: i dont know if its wanted or not. You could ask JPohlmann about this, or write a bug report in bugs.launchpad.net against launchpad asking for actions on the desktop
[14:24] <Slonkie> Do you know why it's "keeping them back" SiDi ?
[14:24] <SiDi> isaac_: Shift+Del does delete immediately btw :p
[14:24] <isaac_> Nah, not worth it.  It solves the problem with my external hard drive at least.
[14:24] <SiDi> padi999: alright, i thought there could have been the driver name in it, but apparently now
[14:24] <isaac_> One side question though...... why doesn't Xubuntu just make a trash folder on the external hard drive like it used to?
[14:24] <padi999> tavasti: good idea, it's RADEON
[14:25] <padi999> brb have to switch AP :)
[14:25] <isaac_> Why does it copy the file I want to delete into the internal hard drive trash bin?
[14:25] <premorphos> hey did you get the ari mobility radeon 9000 igp working?
[14:25] <SiDi> padi999: try lsmod, looking for fglrx or vesa
[14:25] <SiDi> isaac_: the external HDD is ntfs or vfat ?
[14:26] <isaac_> Dunno.  I think ntfs.
[14:26] <isaac_> Maybe fat32
[14:27] <SiDi> isaac_: i dont know if it can host a linux trash. It could also be a permissions problem
[14:27] <isaac_> :/
[14:27] <isaac_> Oh well, at least problem is solved.
[14:27] <isaac_> Thankee much.
[14:28] <SiDi> Slonkie: Some packages may appear as 'kept back' in case of not fully update integration.  e.g. Open office usually being kept back until currently installed language packs for the current version of it are in the repositories.
[14:28] <SiDi> from ubuntuforums
[14:28] <Slonkie> hmm
[14:29] <Slonkie> that's bad :(
[14:32] <fehrp> ls
[14:32] <Slonkie> There's no way to force this update, SiDi ? :P
[14:32] <knome> fehrp, ls: command not found
[14:32] <fehrp> somehow my other nick (padi999) is stuck in nirvana-land :)
[14:33] <Slonkie> or upgrade*
[14:34] <SiDi> Slonkie: i dont know
[14:34] <Slonkie> All right, thanks anyway!
[14:34] <padi999> SiDi: so I'm using the radeon driver then.
[14:35] <padi999> Is there another driver suggested for 9.4?
[14:35] <afawaz> hello
[14:36] <SiDi> hi
[14:38] <afawaz> dual booting with Windows, I have installed xubuntu without a boot loader .. since GRUB was not able to load the system for some reason (kept giving error during loading)..
[14:38] <afawaz> is there a way to have xubuntu listed in the boot options ?
[14:39] <th0r> afawaz: you mean from the windows boot? I don't think so, windows cannot do ext3 or ext4 filesystems.
[14:40] <afawaz> th0r: no not from windows boot. I have already suse installed on the system.. I thought of trying xubuntu and didnt want to mess the boot loader setup..
[14:40] <afawaz> wondering if I can add that to grub/linux.. but not sure how
[14:40] <th0r> afawaz: if you are using the suse grub then yes, you can just add the ubuntu partition to menu.lst
[14:41] <padi999> see my memory usage here: http://pastebin.com/m793bf4b9
[14:41] <afawaz> th0r: how ? :) a link or hint would be appreciated..
[14:42] <afawaz> if you want I can list to you grub entries file..
[14:42] <th0r> afawaz: I am looking...give me a minute
[14:42] <afawaz> thank you
[14:43] <th0r> afawaz: here are two....http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-800302.html....http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/112712-lines-grub-menu-lst-debian-install.html
[14:44] <th0r> afawaz: what partition did you put ubuntu onto?
[14:46] <afawaz> th0r: menu.1st is available here: http://pastebin.com/m2f25b674
[14:46] <th0r> afawaz: what is the ubuntu partition?
[14:47] <afawaz> th0r: it is the 1st partition of /dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_*
[14:48] <afawaz> th0r: its swap is the second..
[14:48] <th0r> afawaz: I see three hard drives in menu.lst, is ubuntu on one of those or have you added another?
[14:49] <afawaz> th0r: no, ubuntu is not listen there..
[14:49] <afawaz> ubuntu's partition
[14:50] <afawaz> what if I add:
[14:50] <afawaz> title ubuntu
[14:51] <afawaz> root (hd1,1)
[14:51] <afawaz> kernel /boot/...etc ?            root=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD...-part1
[14:52] <th0r> afawaz: ok....I have not installed to a usb drive (which is what I assume you are using), but here goes. Copy the Suse lines and rename it Ubuntu. Change the kernel and initrd lines to match the ubuntu install. I am not sure about the root...it should be (hdx,0), but I am not sure what x should be. (numbering of partitions starts at zero in the hd part
[14:52] <afawaz> initrd    /boot/initrd
[14:52] <afawaz> ok
[14:52] <th0r> afawaz: the initrd needs the same initrd name that is in the ubuntu /boot dir
[14:53] <th0r> afawaz: and the kernel does as well.
[14:53] <afawaz> th0r: for numbering of drive/partiton I will find my way, but what about the kernel's name ?
[14:53] <th0r> afawaz: the kernel and initrd names have to match the ubuntu names exactly...mount the second drive while in suse and verify them
[14:54] <afawaz> as listed in suse entry, I dont think ubuntu is using the same
[14:54] <th0r> afawaz: no...mount the ubuntu usb drive while in suse, then you can look in /media/usbdrive/boot and see what the ubuntu filenames are
[14:55] <afawaz> ok
[14:55] <afawaz> ok thats a good hint.. thank you
[15:13] <afawaz> I am not able to..
[15:13] <afawaz> I need the path of the default kernel exact name to have it added to menu.1st
[15:15] <xububu> Hola!
[15:16] <xububu> can someone help a poor sole who upgraded to 9.04 without reading the bumpf about ati cards - whats the best way to go - downgrade - or open source ati drivers¿?
[15:17] <ochosi> xububu, have you tried changing your driver to radeon/radeonhd in xorg.conf?
[15:17] <ochosi> xububu, btw, what card do you have?
[15:19] <th0r> afawaz: why can't you mount the ubuntu drive from suse?
[15:19] <afawaz> I am new to linux, sorry.. I am not sure how to do it
[15:19] <xububu> No - upgraded laptop - ok, but lat last night, decided to upgrade my pc, so I'm just looking for a helping hand on what to do or where to look - have no problem reading the forums, but there's lots of unhappy people, but not many poistive ideas - I'll give it ago. Any sites I should check out for more info?
[15:20] <xububu> Its that ATI saphire 9500 (need to open the box to check for sure)
[15:21] <xububu> Don't use suse- but I do have Opensolaris up and running, so I will mount from there
[15:21] <th0r> ?
[15:21] <th0r> afawaz: are you in suse now?
[15:22] <afawaz> th0r: yes I am on openSuSE now..
[15:22] <ochosi> xububu, well, try to change the setting in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (you know how that works?)
[15:22] <ochosi> xububu, afaik (and i don't have ati anymore) everything should be ok with the open drivers
[15:22] <th0r> afawaz: if the ubuntu drive is plugged in then unplug it. Open a terminal and type 'tail -f /var/log/messages'. Then plug in the ubuntu drive and watch the terminal window. Some new lines will appear with info about the ubuntu drive
[15:23] <ochosi> xububu, apart from 3d acceleration obviously
[15:23] <xububu> Never done it,
[15:23] <afawaz> th0r: ubuntu and suse are on the same drive
[15:23] <xububu> ok , although several people sau that the 3d does work ¿?
[15:23] <th0r> afawaz: what partition is suse installed in?
[15:24] <xububu> ochosi - what card do you use?
[15:24] <afawaz> th0r: partion number 3, which is hd1,2
[15:24] <th0r> afawaz: ok. and ubuntu is partition 1 correct?
[15:24] <afawaz> th0r: ubuntu is partition number 1, which shall be hd1,0
[15:24] <afawaz> th0r: yes correct
[15:25] <ochosi> xububu, nvidia
[15:26] <th0r> afawaz: ok...type 'mount' in a terminal. We need to know what the drive is (hdb or sdb) and we need to know the filesystem you used (ext3 or ext4)
[15:26] <ochosi> xububu, so all you have to do is open /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor from the command line, like with nano: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:26] <afawaz> I used ext3
[15:26] <th0r> afawaz: the mount command should show you (I think) sdb3 and ext3
[15:26] <afawaz> the output is quite long..
[15:27] <afawaz> ./dev/sdc3 on / type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr)
[15:27] <afawaz> ./proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[15:27] <afawaz> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[15:27] <afawaz> debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[15:27] <th0r> afawaz: ok...that is all I need
[15:27] <afawaz> ok
[15:28] <th0r> afawaz: we need a mount location. type 'ls /mnt' and tell me if there is anything in that location
[15:28] <ochosi> xububu, then go to the section device > driver and change it to radeon
[15:28] <afawaz> th0r: nothing
[15:28] <ochosi> xububu, then restart your pc (or just gdm)
[15:28] <afawaz> I think I shall mkdir xubuntu
[15:28] <afawaz> mkdir /mnt/xubuntu
[15:28] <th0r> afawaz: ok....type 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /mnt'
[15:29] <afawaz> done.. mounted
[15:29] <afawaz> I cd /mnt
[15:30] <th0r> afawaz: ok...type 'cd /mnt/boot' and then 'ls'. You should see the filenames you need
[15:30] <afawaz> th0r: yeah I can see 7 kernels !
[15:30] <afawaz> now which one ?! :)
[15:30] <th0r> afawaz: that doesn't seem right...just a sec
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-04-17 07:41 abi-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   96795 2009-04-17 07:41 config-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7589268 2009-05-20 16:54 initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER>-03-27 21:15 memtest86+.bin
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1456232 2009-04-17 07:41 System.map-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    1074 2009-04-17 07:43 vmcoreinfo-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <afawaz> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3501776 2009-04-17 07:41 vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:31] <th0r> afawaz: only one is the kernel (vmlinuz) and you also need the initrd name.
[15:32] <xububu> ochosi - sorry - work got in the way :-D ok , I will give it a try, and see what happens
[15:33] <ochosi> xububu, np, good luck
[15:33] <afawaz> th0r: then i shall use vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:34] <afawaz> and initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:34] <afawaz> right ?
[15:34] <th0r> afawaz: yup
[15:35] <th0r> afawaz: and the hd will be the same as for suse, except ,0 instead of ,2
[15:36] <afawaz> ok here is the entry for suse:
[15:36] <afawaz> ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
[15:36] <afawaz> title openSUSE 11.1 - <IP_ADDRESS>-9
[15:36] <afawaz>     root (hd1,2)
[15:36] <afawaz>     kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-9-pae root=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_1600BEV_External_575848313038303731383336-0:0-part3 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_1600BEV_External_575848313038303731383336-0:0-part5 splash=silent showopts vga=0x31a
[15:36] <afawaz>     initrd /boot/initrd-<IP_ADDRESS>-9-pae
[15:36] <afawaz> and here is the entry I added:
[15:36] <afawaz> ###Xubunto - Fawaz entry###
[15:36] <afawaz> title Xubuntu
[15:36] <afawaz>     root (hd1,0)
[15:36] <afawaz>     kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic root=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_1600BEV_External_575848313038303731383336-0:0-part1 resume=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-WD_1600BEV_External_575848313038303731383336-0:0-part2 splash=silent showopts vga=0x31a
[15:36] <afawaz>     initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic
[15:36] <genii> Please, consider using the pastebin
[15:37] <th0r> afawaz: don't flood the channel...for more than three lines use pastebin
[15:37] <afawaz> oh ok, sorry for that
[15:37] <genii> For all our sanity
[15:38] <th0r> afawaz: that looks like a good try....see if you can boot into ubuntu now.
[15:38] <afawaz> ok
[15:38] <afawaz> will be back..
[15:38] <afawaz> thanks a million th0r
[15:38] <th0r> afawaz: I think the part5 might be ok for ubuntu as well as suse, but not sure
[15:39] <afawaz> fs showing differnt entries
[15:39] <th0r> afawaz: I don't use suspend or hibernate so I never worried about resume <smile>
[15:40] <afawaz> fdisk -l= /dev/sdc2            6080        6328     2000092+   5  Extended  | /dev/sdc5            6080        6328     2000061   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[15:42] <afawaz> th0r: by the way, ls -l of /mnt showing: (initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.28-11-generic) and (vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-11-generic)
[15:42] <th0r> afawaz: yup...that is ok.../mnt will go away on the reboot
[15:42] <th0r> afawaz: actually, it will be there but empty
[15:42] <afawaz> I think I could use initrd & vmlinuz without specifying a path
[15:43] <th0r> afawaz: no....you need the path
[15:43] <afawaz> oh ok
[15:43] <afawaz> slink wont work then
[15:44] <th0r> afawaz: need to shut down and get some things done. You should be able to reboot...or at least real close.
[15:45] <afawaz> ok rebooting.. beb
[15:48] <afawaz> where is th0r ?
[15:48] <afawaz> hi again!
[15:50] <afawaz> Please thank him on my behalf.. this just worked fine..
[16:31] <Slonkie> Anybody know how i connect to a mpd with Xfmpc?
[16:32] <Slonkie> "exporting the MPD_HOST and MPD_PORT environment variables" Where do I do that?
[16:34] <TheSheep> Slonkie: in terminal, or /etc/environ
[16:34] <Slonkie> Could you describe the process more detailed, how to do it in terminal?
[16:46] <TheSheep> Slonkie: export MPD_HOST=localhost
[16:46] <TheSheep> Slonkie: export MPD_PORT=666
[16:46] <TheSheep> (or whatever you use)
[16:46] <Slonkie> lol sorry, weren't aware it was just like that.
[18:54] <artistxe> can one change the size of the terminal window from within terminal (via command) ?
[18:55] <artistxe> getting tired of playing mouse games to move and resize.
[18:55] <vidd> i do believe there is a setting for that....but a command line that i know....
[18:56] <vidd> in terminal, click edit->preferences
[18:56] <artistxe> I know mac ppl can do it. and no. I do not mean by changing settings
[18:58] <vidd> artistxe, look here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/how-do-i-resize-the-terminal-window-from-the-command-line-in-the-gnome-terminal-644048/
[18:59] <artistxe> found a package called wmctrl
[18:59] <artistxe> going to try it out
[18:59] <artistxe> will make my life easier
[19:00] <vidd> making an alias for the resize command would make you life easy too
[19:00] <artistxe> vidd . thanks though. and I am not using gnome terminal anyway
[19:00] <vidd> especially if you added it to the launch script
[19:00] <vidd> what terminal are you using?
[19:00] <artistxe> xterm
[19:01] <artistxe> what channel are we in ?
[19:02] <artistxe> terminal ....which is actually (?) an emulator
[19:05] <vidd> artistxe, i just reviewed the man for xter....imagine that...the commands on the page i gave you are valid
[19:05] <artistxe> vidd . this is the  &hit !    can switch windows , workspaces , resize ... everything from command
[19:05] <artistxe> uh ??? what commands ?
[19:06] <vidd> dunno why you'd want a command when the wm shortcuts have been available for evercommand (except resize nmaybe) for ever
[19:06] <vidd> the -geometry
[19:07] <vidd> did you even read the link i showed ya?
[19:07] <artistxe> if I name one window "emacs"  then   wmctrl -a emacs   brings that window forward.
[19:08] <vidd> alt+tab has been doing that since 1991
[19:08] <artistxe> stopped when I saw gnome-terminal .
[19:08] <artistxe> flipping ?
[19:08] <artistxe> ew   ;)
[19:09] <vidd> so anyway happy you like what you found
[19:09] <artistxe> besides. I would need a name. not just flip through the same icon for multiple terminals
[19:10] <vidd> why would you have multiple terminals? tabs dont work or you or something?
[19:10] <artistxe> vidd. seriosly . check it out.  wmctrl is in repos
[19:10] <vidd> artistxe, i dont care
[19:10] <vidd> i have no need for it
[19:10] <artistxe> okay.
[19:11]  * vidd needs one terminal, one browser, and chat
[19:12] <vidd> if i need multiple terminals, i have ctrl+alt+f1-6
[19:45] <DetroitLibertyPe> is there a command from the terminal that will allow me to deterime which version of (x)ubuntu I'm using?
[19:47] <PDG1> Xubuntu is meant for older hardware... right?
[19:48] <vidd> well...it is a "works well with"
[19:48] <PDG1> okay...
[19:48] <PDG1> I've got a P3... 192 RAM
[19:48] <SiDi> Its meant for quickness and efficiency :P
[19:48] <PDG1> I can't get the live CD to boot :(
[19:48] <vidd> should be fine
[19:48] <PDG1> i'm running puppy right now
[19:49] <SiDi> PDG1: you should use the alternate CD for the installation
[19:49] <vidd> PDG1, you will want the alt installer
[19:49] <DetroitLibertyPe> PDG1: that's more than my machine has, I couldn't get the live CD to boot either, but used the alternate CD for the install
[19:49] <SiDi> For the normal LiveCD 192MB is a bit short
[19:49] <PDG1> no alternate install on the LIVE CD that i can use?
[19:49] <vidd> but thats a limitation of ubiquity...not xubuntu
[19:49] <PDG1> but after install... 192 should be fine, right?
[19:49] <SiDi> yes, after instal it will be ok ;)
[19:49] <PDG1> I hope so
[19:50] <PDG1> if it isn't... I'm holding you to blame
[19:50] <PDG1> lol
[19:50] <PDG1> just joshin...
[19:50] <SiDi> though, i recommand you to disable update-notifier and hardware updates notifier
[19:50] <vidd> were not....let us know =]
[19:50] <SiDi> you'll gain a little more RAM without them
[19:50] <PDG1> why's that?
[19:50] <SiDi> cause you can honnestly check manually every week
[19:50] <SiDi> and you'll gain a few MBs of ram without them ;p
[19:50] <PDG1> makes sense
[19:51] <DetroitLibertyPe> PDG1, i have a P1 with less than 100 MB of RAM
[19:51] <SiDi> if you dont need the media keyboard shortcuts you may also want to disable xfce4-settings-helper
[19:51] <vidd> and this is why i say "works well with" and nt "designed for"
[19:51] <vidd> =]
[19:51] <PDG1> it's going on a Laptop
[19:52] <PDG1> Dell Inspiron 5000
[19:52]  * SiDi has Xubuntu and 4GB of RAM !
[19:52] <PDG1> got it for free... and it was running 98 :(
[19:52] <vidd> PDG1, what wifi?
[19:52] <PDG1> D-Link DWL-G650 airplus PCI card
[19:52] <PDG1> amazed it worked in puppy
[19:53] <vidd> usb, internal, or pcmcia?
[19:53] <PDG1> pcmcia
[19:53] <vidd> do a lspcmcia
[19:53] <vidd> find out what chipset it is
[19:54] <PDG1> can i do that through a terminal?
[19:54] <vidd> this way you can find out if you need anything special to get wifi to work
[19:54] <vidd> yes in puppy
[19:55] <PDG1> i have no idea what to put in here
[19:55] <vidd> open terminal
[19:55] <vidd> type lspcmcia
[19:55] <PDG1> I've been using Ubuntu as my main computer for a couple years now... rarely go into terminal
[19:55] <PDG1> okay
[19:56] <vidd> what does it say the wifi chipset is?
[19:57] <schambers> anyone that is using xfce4-terminal, is there a way to set transparency passing a command line option?
[19:57]  * vidd has had issues with the broadcom chipsets in 9.04
[19:58] <vidd> schambers, try looking at the man pages
[19:58] <schambers> theres not much of a man page for xfce4-terminal
[19:58] <PDG1> yenta_cardbus
[19:58] <PDG1> ?
[19:59] <PDG1> it says see lspci for more information
[19:59] <vidd> PDG1, i dunno if that card is supported out-off-the-box under *buntu
[19:59] <PDG1> well I don't mind putting a little effort into it
[19:59] <PDG1> if I have to do some hunting, i will
[20:00] <vidd> you have wired lan so you can get to the internet to get what ya need?
[20:00] <PDG1> yup
[20:00] <vidd> then you should be good
[20:00] <vidd> if puppy can run the wifi, then there is a solution
[20:00] <vidd> =]
[20:00] <PDG1> yeah... and I can always burn packages to disk
[20:01] <vidd> yep....but with wired lan you dont need to
[20:01] <PDG1> one thing I've wondered...
[20:01] <vidd> schambers, the man pages is "xterm"
[20:01] <schambers> oh
[20:01] <PDG1> debian is what puppy and ubuntu are based from?
[20:01] <vidd> schambers, no problems
[20:01] <vidd> PDG1, yes
[20:02] <vidd> PDG1, but puppy may include some proprietary stuff that ubuntu doesnt for various reasons
[20:02] <PDG1> so are all debian packages cross compatible with
[20:02] <PDG1> oh...
[20:02] <schambers> hmm
[20:02] <PDG1> yeah... I realized... I don't actually like puppy...
[20:02] <vidd> PDG1, for the most part....yes
[20:02] <schambers> theres nothing that talks about transparency in xterm manpage
[20:03] <PDG1> I've also realized that it's okay if I don't like puppy...
[20:03] <vidd> schambers, then the transparency is part of the gui frontend.....
[20:03] <vidd> so you most likely will not be able to change transparency (easily) via a command inside the terminal
[20:04] <vidd> PDG1, thats what's so great about linux.....
[20:04] <vidd> you dont like something, you can change it
[20:04] <vidd> try that with a M$ or MAC system =]
[20:04] <PDG1> agreed... I'm pretty sure I'm going to try and sneak Kubuntu onto my mom's computer
[20:05] <lesshaste> I am trying to reboot into single user mode but telinit 1 brings up the XUBUNTU booting screen and hangs
[20:05] <lesshaste> it looks like a framebuffer problem maybe??
[20:05] <vidd> its been my experience that installing liniux on another's computer without thier concent will not work out well =]
[20:06] <lesshaste> can anyone get ubuntu to boot in single user mode?
[20:06] <vidd> single user mode?
[20:07] <lesshaste> yes.. as in telinit 1
[20:08] <vidd> lesshaste, see if this helps: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Unix-Linux-OS-1064/2009/2/Ubuntu-Linux-bootup-issue-1.htm\
[20:09] <schambers> what terminal can I use to have a transparent terminal on my desktop with no borders, toolbars etc...
[20:10] <vidd> schambers, go into terminal, and then open edit->preferences
[20:10] <vidd> you can set that all there
[20:11] <schambers> that changes it for all terminals tho
[20:11] <schambers> not just one
[20:13] <lesshaste> anyone know the minimum RAM ubuntu will boot in?
[20:14] <vidd> lesshaste, i got ubunter server to boot with 64 mb of ram
[20:14] <lesshaste> vidd: great.. I'll try that thanks
[20:14] <vidd> lesshaste, ubuntu server has no gui
[20:14] <lesshaste> right.. nor does single user mode
[20:15] <vidd> how much ram you working with?
[20:16] <lesshaste> I have 2GB but I want to restrict it for a benchmark
[20:16]  * vidd does not recommend less then 128
[20:16] <lesshaste> 64M boots!
[20:16] <lesshaste> hooray :)
[20:17] <vidd> 32 might too
[20:17] <vidd> but the less ram you have the less stuff you can do
[20:17] <lesshaste> sure
[20:17] <lesshaste> I don't want to do anything except swap
[20:17] <vidd> ?
[20:18] <lesshaste> :)
[20:18] <lesshaste> it's for benchmarking
[20:18] <vidd> then set it to 8mb
[20:19] <lesshaste> it won't voot
[20:19] <lesshaste> boot
[20:19] <vidd> 32 or 8?
[20:19] <lesshaste> in 8 certainly
[20:19] <lesshaste> I suspect not 32 either
[20:19] <vidd> did you try 8?
[20:19] <lesshaste> feel free to try it :)
[20:19] <lesshaste> no.. I am happy with 64, thanks
[20:20] <lesshaste> maybe I'll try it later :)
[20:20] <PDG1> well.. you've all been oodles of help
[20:20] <raevol> does anyone know of an alternative emnu system that would work in xfce so i can have more control of the menu?
[20:20] <PDG1> Rock on
[20:20] <vidd> i had a friend get linux to run on 32 ram....but i dont know what flavor ( i think he built it from scratch)
[20:21] <lesshaste> did PDG1 actually ask a question??
[20:21] <vidd> he did b4
[20:21] <lesshaste> oh
[20:22] <vidd> lesshaste, how are you testing the lower ram settings? vm?
[20:22] <lesshaste> I am about to write a C program :)
[20:25] <vidd> lesshaste, think you can benchmark 16 and 32 for me? will either load?
[20:28] <vidd> lesshaste, DSL linux will run with 16MB ram
[20:32] <Slonkie> Anyone know how one can add numbers to an ipod in Exaile?
[20:38] <vidd> add numbers to an ipod for waht?
[20:47] <vidd> Slonkie, what numbers are you trying to add?
[20:47] <Slonkie> Mp3 tracks
[20:48] <vidd> so you want to go from exaile to ipod? or the reverce?
[20:48] <Slonkie> Yes, Exaile -> Ipod
[20:49] <vidd> Slonkie, try this :
[20:49] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=899915
[20:51] <vidd> that help you any?
[20:57] <egtux> Hi
[20:57] <vidd> \0. cody-somerville
[20:57] <vidd> hello egtux
[20:57] <cody-somerville> Hi
[20:57] <schambers> anyone using compiz?
[20:57] <schambers>  have regex plugin enabled and Windows Rules, but they arent taking effect
[20:57] <egtux> I have Xubuntu 9.04 all things is good
[20:57] <schambers> ie. im setting non minimizable to title=something
[20:57] <egtux> hi vidd
[20:58] <egtux> except that my screen resolution doesn't save!!!
[20:58] <egtux> i have ATI vga
[20:59] <vidd> egtux, are you trying to have worse resolution then the best your card/monitor support?
[20:59] <egtux> nothing bad but when i choose resolution 1024 after reboot return back to 800 *600
[21:00] <vidd> how are you adjusting the resolution to 1024?
[21:00] <egtux> no my card support this resolution Vid
[21:00] <egtux> and it is work good at Xubuntu
[21:00] <egtux> i am using it know
[21:00] <vidd> you are doing the reverse of what i was asking...but thats ok
[21:00] <vidd> i wanted to know wich direction you were changing =]
[21:01] <egtux> now*
[21:01] <vidd> how are you forcing the 1024?
[21:01] <egtux> nothing from display menu
[21:02] <egtux> menu > settings> display
[21:02] <egtux> change it to 1024*768 with 85 refresh rate
[21:02] <vidd> and what does it default to?
[21:03] <egtux> 800*600
[21:03] <vidd> with what refresh rate?
[21:03] <egtux> don't remember
[21:03] <egtux> i always reset it after login
[21:04] <vidd> ok...give me a sec....
[21:04] <egtux> ok
[21:06] <vidd> go into your settings manager
[21:06] <vidd> applications->settings->settings editor
[21:07] <vidd> select "displays" n the left column
[21:07] <egtux> ok wait please
[21:08] <egtux> yes i am with u
[21:09] <vidd> expand "default"
[21:09] <vidd> expand Screen_0
[21:09] <vidd> edit each setting (dont change them, just edit them)
[21:09] <vidd> save changes
[21:10] <vidd> this SHOULD write a .Xfconfig file for you
[21:10] <egtux> but it is already as i want
[21:10] <vidd> so that the settings will be selected on next x-launch
[21:10] <vidd> thats right....
[21:10] <vidd> still, edit and save each item
[21:11] <egtux> ok i should reboot to check
[21:11] <egtux> wait form me pls
[21:12] <vidd> no....
[21:12] <vidd> open up your thunar
[21:12] <egtux> ?
[21:12] <vidd> turn on "show hidden"
[21:12] <vidd> thunar is the file manager
[21:12] <egtux> yea i know
[21:12] <vidd> by default, the icon looks like a brown or tan file box
[21:12] <vidd> ok...
[21:13] <egtux> then
[21:13] <vidd> you want to make sure you now have a file named .Xfconfig
[21:13] <egtux> no i am not
[21:14] <egtux> u mean at my home,isn't true?
[21:15] <vidd> yeah...one moment....
[21:15] <egtux> ok
[21:16] <vidd> open .config/xfce4/xfconfig/xfce4-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[21:16] <vidd> this is where the data is stored now
[21:17] <vidd> (its changed since previous versions)
[21:17] <vidd> did you find this file?
[21:18] <egtux> wait pls
[21:19] <egtux> no
[21:19] <egtux> wait i found it
[21:19] <vidd> make sure the settings in here are what you want
[21:20] <egtux> yes it is
[21:20] <vidd> open it with mousepad (or some other text editor)
[21:20] <vidd> ok..you should be able to log out and log back in with the correct settings
[21:20] <egtux> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[21:20] <egtux> <channel name="displays" version="1.0">
[21:20] <egtux>   <property name="Default" type="empty">
[21:20] <egtux>     <property name="Layout" type="string" value="Screens"/>
[21:20] <egtux>     <property name="NumScreens" type="int" value="1"/>
[21:20] <egtux>     <property name="Screen_0" type="empty">
[21:20] <egtux>       <property name="Resolution" type="string" value="1024x768"/>
[21:20] <egtux>       <property name="RefreshRate" type="int" value="85"/>
[21:20] <egtux>       <property name="Rotation" type="int" value="0"/>
[21:20] <egtux>     </property>
[21:20] <egtux>   </property>

[21:20] <egtux> ok wait please
[21:20] <vidd> !pastebin | egtux
[21:21] <forces> ???
[21:21] <forces> flood!
[21:21] <egtux> sorry
[21:22] <egtux> ok ubottu and vidd
[21:22] <vidd> egtux, thats ok...it happens to the best of us
[21:22] <egtux> :)
[21:22] <vidd> and you dont need to oppologize to the robot!
[21:22] <vidd> =]
[21:23] <egtux> lol
[21:23] <egtux> ubottu is a robot
[21:23] <vidd> yep
[21:23] <egtux> how can i know this in futur
[21:24] <vidd> about pastebin?
[21:24] <vidd> its in the /join message
[21:24] <egtux> about robot
[21:24] <vidd> and the topic
[21:25] <vidd> oh.... ubottu is an IRC robot
[21:25] <egtux> ok i will logout now wait please
[21:25] <vidd> so is IRSeekBot ChanServ
[21:25] <vidd> and ubuntulog
[21:28] <egtux> back
[21:29] <vidd> any luck?
[21:29] <egtux> still nothing safe
[21:30] <egtux> saved*
[21:31] <vidd> hrm
[21:31] <egtux> any other ideas ,vidd
[21:31] <egtux> ?
[21:31] <vidd> none that i can think of
[21:32] <vidd> i would say copy that file and save it as ~/.xfconfig
[21:32] <egtux> ok thx for your help ,vidd
[21:32] <egtux> ok i will try
[21:32] <vidd> if you get unexpected results, or if your desktop doesnt boot....
[21:33] <egtux> yea
[21:33] <vidd> then go into a tty and type "rm ~/.Xfconfig
[21:33] <vidd> im not sure if its supposed to be captital x or not
[21:33] <vidd> try it with both =]
[21:34] <egtux> ok i will if i do it
[21:34] <egtux> i think problem with vga
[21:34]  * vidd hasnt needed to modify display, so let me know if this works
[21:35] <vidd> vga should not be the issue
[21:35] <vidd> if it was, the display option would not be available, or would not work
[21:35] <egtux> may be
[21:36] <vidd> ive heard about this ever since xorg did away with the xorg.conf
[21:36] <vidd> that file is now auto-generated on load
[21:37] <egtux> every load ?
[21:37] <vidd> yep
[21:37] <egtux> is it good thing ?
[21:37] <vidd> ive heard romors that the file still exists and that you can manually edit it to get the desired results....but ive never tried it myself
[21:38] <vidd> its good if you look at it from the "I want to change my monitor or display adaptor" perspective
[21:39] <vidd> however, if your hardware never changes, .... =]
[21:39] <egtux> yea
[21:39] <linuxman410> does anyone know how to change the splash screen on xubuntu
[21:40] <charlie-tca> !usplash
[21:41] <vidd> !resolution
[21:42] <vidd> egtux, look there ^^^
[21:43] <vidd> egtux, set your resolution back to the default for a sec.....
[21:43] <egtux> i will of course Vidd ;)
[21:43] <vidd> i want to test something
[21:43] <egtux> why?
[21:44] <egtux> default mean 800*600
[21:44] <vidd> i want you to run a command in terminal to see if it gets you to the correct resolution
[21:44] <vidd> yes
[21:44] <egtux> ok wait
[21:45] <egtux> i did
[21:46] <vidd> now in terminal type xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1024x768
[21:46] <vidd> does this give you the desired display?
[21:46] <egtux> yea
[21:47] <egtux> then?
[21:47] <vidd> now...creat a file in your home directory named .xprofile
[21:47] <vidd> paste that command in it and save
[21:47] <vidd> log out and log in
[21:49] <gamepockets> can anyone help with adding themes and icons to xu jaunty?
[21:49] <egtux> wait
[21:49] <SiDi> gamepockets: sure
[21:49] <SiDi> gamepockets: you'll have to create a .themes folder in your home folder
[21:49] <SiDi> and put the themes there
[21:49] <SiDi> and .icons for the icons
[21:49] <SiDi> (and also .fonts for fonts :p)
[21:50] <SiDi> if you grab, lets say, Theme.tar.gz from the web
[21:50] <SiDi> there normally is a folder inside the archive
[21:50] <SiDi> put this folder in /home/yourusername/.themes/
[21:50] <SiDi> and then the theme will be available
[21:50] <charlie-tca> !themes
[21:51] <SiDi> Ni
[21:51] <gamepockets> i have tried that but nothing shows up... maybey i'm looking in the wrong place "on pc"
[21:52] <egtux> back
[21:52] <vidd> egtux, any luck?
[21:52] <egtux> yea, thx Vidd
[21:52] <vidd> cool
[21:53] <egtux> but bad screen appear first
[21:53] <egtux> may be compiz
[21:53]  * vidd takes notes so the other users can have thier "im blind" resolutions
[21:53]  * vidd does not use compiz
[21:54] <egtux> is ***vidd and vidd are the sameone :-/
[21:55] <vidd> egtux, i prfixed that last command with /me
[21:56] <SiDi> gamepockets, do you have a tar.gz file now ?
[21:56] <SiDi> if you open it and look inside, theres only one folder with the name of the theme, right ?
[21:56] <egtux> ok
[21:56] <egtux> thx,vidd for your help
[21:56] <vidd> no problem
[21:57] <vidd> happy i could help
[21:57] <gamepockets> themes still mia....
[21:57] <egtux> but tell me what was i did?
[21:57] <egtux> that's very kind of u
[21:57] <vidd> you created a file that auto-loads when you log in
[21:58] <vidd> xserver looks for .xprofile and runs it if its there
[21:58] <vidd> if it is not  there, it loads it's default settigs
[21:58] <egtux> yea
[21:58] <SiDi> gamepockets: did you create an empty folder named .themes at the root of your "home" folder ?
[21:58] <gamepockets> yes
[21:58] <SiDi> ok
[21:59] <egtux> good idea but no side effect :)
[21:59] <egtux> ?
[21:59] <SiDi> grab the folder inside your .tar.gz archive and put it in this .themes folder
[21:59] <SiDi> and then, open the Appearence window
[21:59] <SiDi> it'll be in the list if the theme is a gtk2 valid theme
[21:59] <vidd> egtux, you look in your home directory, you will see a bunch of files and folders beginning with a .
[21:59] <SiDi> and if its a xfwm theme, it'll be in the window manager's list
[21:59] <SiDi> if its a metacity theme, it'll be nowhere cause we dont use metacity :p
[22:00] <egtux> yea it is hidden files why?
[22:00] <vidd> those are "personal" configurations
[22:00] <vidd> dunno why they are hidden
[22:00] <egtux> ok thx again vidd
[22:00] <gamepockets> ok, i got all themes from xfce-look.org and i think they're gtk2 but nothing show up
[22:00] <vidd> but they are used to set up personal configurations
[22:00] <egtux> i should go now
[22:01] <vidd> gamepockets, if you want them to be universally available, you have to put them in the universal folder
[22:01] <egtux> thx again and bye
[22:01] <vidd> l8r egtux
[22:01] <gamepockets> universal??
[22:01] <SiDi> vidd: i think hes confused enough like that :p
[22:02] <SiDi> gamepockets: show me the output of the "ls .themes" command please
[22:02] <vidd> SiDi, i think he wants his themes in the unversal folder...not his personal folder
[22:02] <gamepockets> yur right , i have had this install for 48hrs
[22:03] <gamepockets> moved from osx 10.4
[22:03] <SiDi> vidd: unless he plays with gksudo all day that wont change much stuff :p
[22:03] <Slonkie> Would one be possible to make an folder hidden like when your in home and ctrl+h makes them visible?
[22:03] <SiDi> Slonkie: huh ? :D
[22:04] <Slonkie> example is .local
[22:04] <Slonkie> .whatever. they are hidden by default
[22:04] <gamepockets> dave@glados:~$ Ls.themes
[22:04] <gamepockets> bash: Ls.themes: command not found
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Yes, Slonkie
[22:05] <vidd> gamepockets, i think what you are looking to do is put the folders in the /usr/themes folder
[22:05] <charlie-tca> There are even apps that create hidden files in /etc and hidden folders in /usr/share/???
[22:05] <vidd> but you want to make sure you set the right file permissions
[22:05] <SiDi> gamepockets: "ls .themes"
[22:05] <SiDi> not Ls
[22:05] <gamepockets> ah..
[22:05] <SiDi> and put a space between the ls command and .themes
[22:06] <gamepockets> 1 sec
[22:06] <Slonkie> how would i make them hidden in home, charlie-tca ?
[22:06] <SiDi> gamepockets: do you want me to upload you a video to show how to do ?
[22:06] <gamepockets> comp too slow to watch it..
[22:06] <SiDi> screenshots then ?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> the same way as everything else, . in front of the folder
[22:06] <Slonkie> no that doesn't make them hidden
[22:07] <Slonkie> I did try that :/
[22:07] <gamepockets> sure, the Is. themes comm not working
[22:07] <vidd> gamepockets, ls [space] .themes
[22:07] <Slonkie> sorry charlie-tca apparently it did!
[22:07] <gamepockets> cap i
[22:08] <vidd> gamepockets, like "list"
[22:08] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:08] <vidd> lower case L
[22:08] <SiDi> gamepockets: its a L, but lower case
[22:08] <SiDi> ls stands for 'list'
[22:08] <SiDi> it displays the content of a folder
[22:08] <gamepockets> oh! god give me a newb antidote
[22:09] <vidd> there is no antidote....
[22:09] <gamepockets> dave@glados:~$ ls .themes
[22:09] <gamepockets> 45829-Wii-Black-theme-pack.tar.gz  prelude-8.0
[22:09] <gamepockets> 79350-prelude-8.0.1.tar.bz2        prelude-8.0 (2)
[22:09] <gamepockets> gtk-2.0                            Slick_and_Smooth_icons_by_Lemonade
[22:09] <gamepockets> index.theme                        Wii-Black-theme-pack
[22:09] <gamepockets> oops flood...
[22:09] <SiDi> Alright gamepockets
[22:10] <SiDi> you didnt install them correctly :)
[22:10] <gamepockets> makes sense
[22:10] <SiDi> you have to open the .tar.gz file (double click it), and then drag the folder inside it to your .themes/ folder
[22:10]  * charlie-tca thinks newb antidote = experience
[22:10] <SiDi> tar.gz is just something like zip files, gamepockets
[22:10] <vidd> charlie-tca, thats the cure...not the antidote =]
[22:10] <gamepockets> extract here then drag drop=no good?
[22:11]  * charlie-tca smacks head; of course!
[22:11] <SiDi> gamepockets: its also possible the theme you downloaded is doing crap :P
[22:11] <gamepockets> hmmm....
[22:11] <SiDi> gamepockets: a theme is normally one folder, lets say my theme is Alvaro, then the folder is named Alvaro/
[22:11] <SiDi> and it contains 2 sub folders if it rocks : a gtk2 one, and a xfwm4 one
[22:12] <SiDi> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145 gamepockets
[22:12] <gamepockets> yes, but there are way more than those to specific inside..
[22:12] <SiDi> download this one, and try to extract the unique folder named "Alvaro" to the .themes folder
[22:12] <SiDi> its probably been badly packaged. Some of my themes are too ~
[22:12] <gamepockets> k
[22:13] <SiDi> sometimes when i create the .tar.gz file i put all the files in it instead of putting them in a folder and archiving that folder instead \o/
[22:15] <SiDi> hopefully one day we'll have a theme installer such as gnome :P
[22:15] <gamepockets> ok extracted to .themes
[22:15] <SiDi> now, go to appearence, you got alvaro available ^^
[22:16] <gamepockets> you are the MAN!
[22:16] <vidd> SiDi, if you extract these to /usr/shre/themes, will they be available to all users?
[22:16] <gamepockets> how did i mess THAT up.....?
[22:16] <SiDi> vidd: yes
[22:16] <gamepockets> ok the share folder is missing though
[22:17] <vidd> gamepockets, its not missing...its hidden
[22:17] <SiDi> gamepockets: now you can clear the badly extracted stuff in .themes and start again :p
[22:17] <gamepockets> i did "unhide all the folders, but no share...
[22:17] <SiDi> gamepockets: what do you mean by share ?
[22:17] <vidd> gamepockets, nvmd we are talking about different things i think
[22:18] <SiDi> oh btw i dont know if macOs still respects folder naming standards
[22:18] <SiDi> but vidd mentions /usr/share/themes
[22:18] <gamepockets> thats what i saw
[22:18] <SiDi> it means the themes folder inside the share folder inside the usr folder inside the '/' folder :p
[22:18] <SiDi> your own home folder is in "<yourusername>" inside the home folder inside '/'
[22:18] <SiDi> '/' is the root of your system, its the "Main" folder
[22:19] <gamepockets> well you guys always come through some how, so i thank you ( same process for icons i suppose)
[22:19] <SiDi> yes, but in .icons this time
[22:19] <gamepockets> right!
[22:19] <gamepockets> yes!:-D
[22:19] <SiDi> and remember there is a .fonts one if ever you wanna change fonts :)
[22:19] <SiDi> but there are quite a lot in the repository already
[22:20] <SiDi> also, you should try the "community-themes" package, from the repository
[22:20] <gamepockets> ok, 1 step at a time, thanks and i will
[22:20] <SiDi> i was doing a math course but i lost my student at (a+b)*(c+d)
[22:21] <vidd> gamepockets, the difference between using the ~/ .{foldername} instead of the /user/share/[foldername] is the difference between just you or everyone on the system having access
[22:21] <vidd> if your the only user, stick to the ~/.[foldername]
[22:21] <SiDi> hes gone
[22:21] <vidd> ic
[23:25] <SiDi> there's a bug with file-roller's size display when you open a being-dled file :D
[23:25] <SiDi> it claims my 300kb archive contains a 3GB diff
[23:29] <zoredache> why would you try to open a file if it isn't done downlaoding...
[23:39] <SiDi> didnt notice when i opened
[23:48] <mib_ejgszlxa> hi, i just test xubuntu livecd and i dont find root or ubuntu user password
[23:48] <charlie-tca> live cd does not require either one
[23:48] <vidd> that is correct
[23:48] <mib_ejgszlxa> could someone help me to become root on my OWN computer
[23:49] <vidd> mib_ejgszlxa, sudo su
[23:49] <mib_ejgszlxa> i want to be rrot
[23:49] <mib_ejgszlxa> sudo su doesn't work i need a password i havenj't
[23:49] <charlie-tca> !root
[23:50] <mib_ejgszlxa> i want a root shell
[23:50] <mib_ejgszlxa> how ?
[23:50] <vidd> mib_ejgszlxa, you running the live cd?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> Open a terminal, type sudo -i
[23:50] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[23:50] <mib_ejgszlxa> thx
[23:50] <vidd> the live cd will not ask you for a password for sudo
[23:50] <mib_ejgszlxa> ubuntu (or xubuntu) developpers have head full of shit
[23:50] <mib_ejgszlxa> they are duim people
[23:51] <charlie-tca> !language
[23:51] <mib_ejgszlxa> and they don't understant why people are still using windows
[23:51] <mib_ejgszlxa> now i know why
[23:51] <charlie-tca> If you really believe that, please don't use it
[23:51] <mib_ejgszlxa> they are dumb
[23:51] <mib_ejgszlxa> bye
[23:51] <charlie-tca> well...
[23:52] <jussi01> lovely guy...
[23:52] <charlie-tca> Do you think he knows we are not dev s?
[23:52] <vidd> typical m$ flammer
[23:56] <vidd> wb gamepockets
[23:56] <gamepockets> i'm back... the newbiest newb...
[23:56] <vidd> no...the newest "learner"
[23:56] <vidd> =]
[23:57] <gamepockets> (exactly, although frustrating) somehow i still cant get icons to change...?
[23:57] <vidd> you understand there are things you need to learn...that makes you NOT a newb =]
[23:57] <gamepockets> yeah, just had a bad day at work...
[23:58] <vidd> SiDi was helping u b4...he's not here now
[23:58] <gamepockets> ah..
[23:59] <vidd> but im sure there are others here with the answers you seek
[23:59] <gamepockets> well i'm alittle confused if there are certain icon packs that xubuntu won;t use...
[23:59] <vidd> have you moved the folder with your icon set intou your .icon folder?
[23:59] <gamepockets> none of mine seem to show up


[10:56] <cbeebie> I may be in the wrong room here -- if so please suggest the right one! Please could someone tell me which package to install onto Ubuntu 12.04 to get the maas-cli client?
[11:10] <melmoth> cbeebie, not 100% sure, but i think in the maas ppa  apt-add-repository ppa:maas-maintainers/stable
[11:20] <cbeebie> melmoth, thank you. I have the package now. There's no man page for maas-cli, but I guess that's a tier two issue :-)
[11:21] <melmoth> i have never used it  to be honest :)
[12:52] <racedo> hi roaksoax i've seen this many times now and i thought i would report it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1155607
[12:52] <racedo> but i'm not sure if it's on purpose
[13:30] <roaksoax> racedo: well the thing is that ypu can assign different zone name depending on the cluster
[13:30] <roaksoax> so that eould defeat the purpose of making them match
[15:28] <johangm90> hello
[15:29] <johangm90> i have 5 servers running centos
[15:29] <johangm90> i want to install ubuntu server 12.04
[15:32] <johangm90> i need more information about maas
[15:34] <melmoth> johangm90, http://maas.ubuntu.com/
[15:34] <melmoth> i m not sure i understand what you are tryint to do exactly, nor how maas is involved.
[16:02] <trevorj> roaksoax: you around?
[16:04] <roaksoax> trevorj: hi
[16:05] <trevorj> roaksoax: hey! I heard you are the one working on the IPMI related stuff in maas?
[16:05] <roaksoax> trevorj: i am :) how can i help you?
[16:05] <trevorj> roaksoax: Well, first of all, great job
[16:06] <trevorj> roaksoax: second, I've bene writing some vendor specific stuff for HP iLO
[16:06] <trevorj> roaksoax: and I'd love to get it included into maas somehow
[16:07] <trevorj> roaksoax: pretty much, I want to set the hostname in iLO to the hostname of the actual machine, for easy finding in a big blade enclosure, and do simple bios setup, such as setting PXE boot to primary
[16:07] <trevorj> roaksoax: I've gotten it somewhat working in dev, but instead of writing HPONCFG xml files as I used to, I used a library called python-hpilo
[16:08] <trevorj> roaksoax: The problem is it to access local hpilo devices, you currently (afaik) need to use the hponcfg binary from HP, which I'm unsure of the distribution licensing on. I believe it may operate over simple serial through the hpilo kmod, however
[16:09] <roaksoax> trevorj: so setting PXE boot to primary you might not need to. Everytime maas tells a machine to power on, it will tell it to PXE as well
[16:09] <trevorj> roaksoax: Oh, really? Is this a new thing?
[16:10] <roaksoax> trevorj: nope, it's been working like this for a while now
[16:10] <roaksoax> since the early implmentation of mAAS IPMI power management
[16:10] <trevorj> roaksoax: Hmm, I think I might of just been hitting the IPMI bug you already squashed when dealing with which IPMI user slot to use
[16:11] <roaksoax> trevorj: probably, that should be released soon in archives (or should be available in ppa:maas-maintainers/stable)
[16:11] <trevorj> roaksoax: yeah, I just need to upgrade ;)
[16:12] <trevorj> roaksoax: well than fantastic. There are still things I'd love to automate however, like enabling VMX support
[16:12] <roaksoax> trevorj: now, as far as doing some customization to your iLO, you could do it in 2 ways
[16:12] <roaksoax> trevorj: 1, would be to do it in during the commissioning step
[16:12] <trevorj> roaksoax: lots of HP blades come with vmx disabled, unfortunately
[16:12] <roaksoax> trevorj: or 2. do it everytime right before the node gets started
[16:12] <trevorj> roaksoax: yeah, that's where I've been doing all of the setting changes, in commissioning
[16:13] <trevorj> roaksoax: I also made a small agent that runs via upstart as a task that sets the hostname to the current hostname if they don't match
[16:14] <roaksoax> trevorj: yeah. so all the stuff done in maas in done by freeipmi-tools
[16:14] <roaksoax> trevorj: currently, mostly using bmc-config
[16:14] <roaksoax> or ipmi-chassis-config
[16:14] <trevorj> roaksoax: yeah, I've been going through the commissioning config =)
[16:14] <trevorj> roaksoax: I love how it's rather cross vendor
[16:15] <trevorj> roaksoax: I didn't even know IPMI had such standardized user/power mgmt
[16:15] <roaksoax> trevorj: yeah "standarized"
[16:15] <roaksoax> :)
[16:15] <trevorj> roaksoax: heh, yeah
[16:15] <roaksoax> trevorj: bu yeah if you are doing that already, then you are in the right track
[16:16] <trevorj> roaksoax: Would this be wanted in maas?
[16:16] <roaksoax> trevorj: maybe :)
[16:16] <trevorj> roaksoax: ok, good enough for me
[16:17] <trevorj> roaksoax: better question, would vendor specific optimizations be wanted?
[16:17] <trevorj> roaksoax: or are you guys trying to stay "standardized" IPMI?
[16:18] <roaksoax> trevorj: verdor specific optimizations are difficult, specially if it involves the use of privative tools. However, it is always worth the shot
[16:18] <roaksoax> trevorj: because we are trying to"standarize" its usage in maas, but at the same time allowing people to do its own thing, as you did
[16:18] <trevorj> roaksoax: if I could create/find a way to do it with only OSS tools, would that be better?
[16:18] <roaksoax> trevorj: yes that would indeed
[16:18] <trevorj> I agree at heart ;)
[16:19] <trevorj> I bet it's just a serial protocol too
[16:19] <roaksoax> trevorj: i would recommend you file a bout in http://launchpad.net/maas and propose your improvements
[16:19] <roaksoax> or things that you would like to see
[16:19] <trevorj> roaksoax: will do
[16:19] <trevorj> roaksoax: thanks!
[16:19] <trevorj> oh one more thing
[16:20] <trevorj> if commissioning runs more than once somehow
[16:20] <trevorj> does it change the maas IPMI login's pass and then maas doesn't allow the request to update it as it already exists?
[16:20] <trevorj> or does it grab the existing password and set it to that again?
[16:21] <roaksoax> trevorj: it will change it, but it should update the credentials in MAAS too
[16:21] <trevorj> I know I get a traceback if it runs again, due to the node already existing
[16:22] <trevorj> but it may update the credentials, I'll have to test it, as I was dealing with other issues as well at that point
[16:22] <roaksoax> trevorj: right, the thing would be to see if the credentials have been updated
[16:22] <roaksoax> trevorj: because in the term of ipmi credentials, we simply "update" the node information
[16:22] <trevorj> ah, so there's more than one request?
[16:22] <roaksoax> trevorj: but yeah, re-running commissioning once a node is already commissioned, it is not really a supported feature
[16:23] <trevorj> roaksoax: hehe, it was an accident due to the server name in iLO being unknown ;)
[16:23] <trevorj> roaksoax: hence my whole process above ^
[16:24] <roaksoax> indeed
[16:24] <roaksoax> trevorj: and yeah we do updates various times
[16:24] <roaksoax> trevorj: signal "--power-type=ipmi" "--power-parameters=${power_settings}" WORKING "finished [maas-ipmi-autodetect]"
[16:26] <trevorj> Ah, I've seen that in there! Makes sense now. I've got much code to go through in maas still, as I was saying before, it's some great Python to read.
[16:26] <roaksoax> indeed
[16:26] <roaksoax> my code is probably the ugliest :)
[16:27] <trevorj> nah, it just looks like it grew fast
[16:27] <roaksoax> yeah
[16:28] <trevorj> catting a couple files through a script is something I do at times as well, without a better distribution mechanism it makes perfect sense to me ;)
[16:29] <roaksoax> :)
[16:30] <trevorj> ok, I'll raise it on launchpad, look forward to helping in any ways I can
[16:30] <trevorj> looking*
[16:31] <roaksoax> cool :)
[16:31] <roaksoax> thanks!
[17:27] <druiid> Hey all, anyone around to answer a quick question about preseed?
[18:30] <trevorj> druiid: sup
[18:31] <druiid> Hey, so... I was looking around pretty much everywhere and wasn't seeing how/if you can define per-group preseed configurations. Is this possible? Basically I wanted to define software raid for specific nodes and rely on the hardware-raid for others.
[18:34] <trevorj> druiid: hmm, good question
[18:36] <trevorj> druiid: There may be a way to assign a preseed on a per node or preferably nodegroup object
[18:36] <trevorj> druiid: I'm interested in this as well, because I'll eventually have to assign different preseeds based on more than pure architecture
[18:37] <trevorj> druiid: The devs are in here, I'm sure they'll be able to shine more light on if this is currently possible using the existing models
[18:38] <druiid> Hopefully so! Kind of critical for me as there are specific systems that the onboard raid isn't supported very well by Linux (grr, Intel) so software raid is necessary.
[18:39] <trevorj> personally I'm a bigger fan of software raid than hardware, but I can see your reasoning
[18:39] <trevorj> s/but/so/g
[18:40] <druiid> Well, I also couldn't just use a default preseed even across the cluster and just give them all software raid as some would require raid-6 and some raid-1.
[18:40] <trevorj> Is a preseed just a shell script?
[18:41] <trevorj> I've always meant to look into that, I have a feeling it may be
[18:41] <druiid> Sorta.  It's like the Ubuntu version of kickstart (for redhat systems)
[18:41] <trevorj> Yeah I've used preseeds before
[18:41] <trevorj> but I'm wondering if they are actually ran through sh
[18:41] <trevorj> d-i is an installer command
[18:42] <druiid> Oh. Not sure. Probably shell based, yeah.
[18:42] <trevorj> If it's actually ran and not just parsed, then you have the benefit of if statements
[18:43] <trevorj> actually
[18:43] <trevorj> maas uses templated preseeds
[18:43] <trevorj> iirc
[18:43] <trevorj> that may be the 'proper' way to handle this
[18:43] <trevorj> maybe it's generated from the templates per instance
[18:44] <trevorj> if so I bet you have variables and if statements etc via {{ }}
[18:46] <druiid> Hmm, that very well could be. There are indeed lots of if statements and using xpath style variables.
[18:46] <druiid> I wonder if the tags get expressed as well.
[18:47] <trevorj> I forget the template syntax they use, I'd have to go through that part of the code again, I've only read through certain parts in lieu of issues and skimmed through others
[18:48] <trevorj> iirc it's not jinja or mako
[18:49] <druiid> http://pythonpaste.org/tempita/
[18:49] <trevorj> aha!
[18:50] <trevorj> there we go ;)
[18:51] <trevorj> If they generate it per instance, which would make sense to me, then I bet you have a node object where you can access it's xml hardware info
[18:52] <druiid> Sounds reasonable. A bit clunkier than I'd like, but should be a solution barring another way it's meant to be done.
[18:55] <druiid> I guess that at least gives me a direction for next week :)