[00:39] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen, does jounih ever come to irc?
[00:39] <ahayzen> akiva-thinkpad, yep sometimes
[00:42] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[00:56] <akiva-thinkpad> alright time to resize my partition
[00:56] <akiva-thinkpad> be back in a bit
[00:56] <vthompson> akiva-thinkpad, oh boy don't die on us!
[00:57] <akiva-thinkpad> vthompson, heh :P darn emulators are much larger than I could have imagined.
[01:39] <akiva-thinkpad> hopefully another ten gigs is enough
[01:45] <akiva-thinkpad> vthompson, do you know jounihs email?
[02:06] <akiva-thinkpad> this is frustrating
[02:06] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, do you know how to get the emulator to work
[02:06] <akiva-thinkpad> ?
[02:06] <akiva-thinkpad> In the Ubuntu SDK, open the Devices tab and its Device Actions sub tab (at the bottom)."
[02:07] <akiva-thinkpad> there is no device actions sub tab at the bottom.
[02:07] <ahoneybun> akiva-thinkpad, I have not looked lately
[02:07] <ahoneybun> let me check
[02:08] <ahoneybun> well my device is a old one
[02:08] <ahoneybun> 20140821
[02:08]  * akiva-thinkpad is filing a bug
[02:11] <ahoneybun> looks like it might launch
[02:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ah wait I read that wrong
[02:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, hold on; I think that was me misreading something
[02:14]  * ahoneybun updates his emulator and ubuntu-beginner on lp
[02:18] <akiva-thinkpad> nevermind; I wasnt misreading
[02:18]  * akiva-thinkpad filed a bug
[02:25]  * ahoneybun is a bit sleepy
[03:11] <ahoneybun> hey kurt_
[03:12] <kurt_> hello
[03:12] <kurt_> how are you
[03:13] <ahoneybun> pretty good
[03:14]  * ahoneybun thinks Ubuntu Beginner is almost ready for release
[03:14] <kurt_> ?
[03:14] <kurt_> your second app?
[03:15] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:15] <ahoneybun> just needs a icon
[03:18] <ahoneybun> can't think of what it should be yet
[03:18] <ahoneybun> oh maybe like a book
[03:19] <kurt_> ? thought it was done
[03:19] <kurt_> except the icon
[03:19] <ahoneybun> yea the icon would be a book
[03:19] <kurt_> what do you use to make the icon gimp?
[03:19] <akiva-thinkpad> no
[03:19] <kurt_> oh lol gottcha
[03:19] <akiva-thinkpad> its svg
[03:20] <akiva-thinkpad> so you would use a vector graphics application like inkscape
[03:20] <akiva-thinkpad> so it scales.
[03:20] <ahoneybun> I use gimp
[03:20] <kurt_> oh yea forgot gimp isnt vector
[03:21] <ahoneybun> make it 512by512
[03:21] <ahoneybun> and then resize
[03:21] <ahoneybun> slace
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, thats the bad way of doing it.
[03:21] <ahoneybun> scale
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> but easy :P
[03:21] <kurt_> thinkpad!!!!! didn't realize it was you!!
[03:21]  * ahoneybun has not used inkscape
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> if you scale it; it will be pixelated.
[03:21] <kurt_> how are you doing
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, eh?!
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> blanking out here
[03:21] <akiva-thinkpad> reddit?
[03:22] <kurt_> haha been all over reddit lately
[03:22] <kurt_> i like the ubuntu touch redgur app alot
[03:22] <akiva-thinkpad> now I feel terrible; because you were so nice to me, and yet I can't place where I know you.
[03:22] <kurt_> i have a buddie that works for the yello pages and he was explaining the whole vector image thing to me.
[03:23] <kurt_> you walked me through adding C++ to my QML three maybe four days ago
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> yah its pretty interesting.
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> right
[03:23] <kurt_> talked me up to you laptop died lol
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> okay lol
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> bad memory
[03:23] <akiva-thinkpad> yah :P
[03:24] <akiva-thinkpad> tbf, I have been doing all nighters lately
[03:24] <kurt_> so do I and I'm sure you have to help many on here
[03:24] <akiva-thinkpad> heh; my pleasure.
[03:26] <kurt_> I still havent got my app working, trying to port a sailfish qml example app to ubuntu touch, i added my .cpp and .h file and I can run everything the world tab stops working after i try to add anything to the world tab (using the extension able library + simple tabbed ui)
[03:27] <kurt_> mind looking at some pastebin shots?
[03:27] <akiva-thinkpad> yah I'm building a kit at the moment, so I have time until it finishes
[03:28] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, so sure
[03:28] <kurt_> oh ya just tell me when your busy again
[03:28] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, oh lol; it just finished; I'm busy again
[03:28] <akiva-thinkpad> took like 30 minutes :P
[03:29] <kurt_> oh your fine but ill pick your brain when I can haha
[03:29] <akiva-thinkpad> paste them anyways if they are small
[03:30] <ahoneybun> akiva-thinkpad, kurt_ http://imgur.com/QNPCDcy
[03:31] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8497185/
[03:31] <kurt_> ha i really like it!
[03:32] <kurt_> simple and the ovals make the binding Nice!
[03:33]  * ahoneybun needs to add translations tags to Ubuntu Beginner
[03:34] <akiva-thinkpad> ahoneybun, btw; might want to check the style guidelines
[03:34] <akiva-thinkpad> they probably have a section on icons
[03:34] <akiva-thinkpad> but nice;clever design
[03:34] <ahoneybun> I see
[03:34]  * ahoneybun google it and got a general idea
[03:35] <ahoneybun> not as good as the one I saw
[03:35] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, what you can do also, is push this to a branch, so I can run it
[03:35] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, do you know how to do that yet?
[03:35] <kurt_> no but I can google it and get back to you when I find it out
[03:36] <kurt_> so you can keep building
[03:36] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, im building again
[03:36] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, download bazaar explorer
[03:36] <kurt_> that would be so amazing and I didn't know we could do that lol
[03:36] <kurt_> any certain version or PPA
[03:36] <kurt_> or just out of the app store?
[03:37] <akiva-thinkpad> ppas are a bit different
[03:37] <akiva-thinkpad> that requires you to build a package
[03:37] <kurt_> sorry software center
[03:37]  * ahoneybun started using bzr command line
[03:37] <kurt_> i thought they were just repos
[03:37] <akiva-thinkpad> yah you need to build a package for that sort of thing
[03:37] <akiva-thinkpad> maybe some day
[03:38] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, do you have a launchpad page?
[03:38] <akiva-thinkpad> account*
[03:38] <akiva-thinkpad> ?
[03:39] <kurt_> I think I may ill check
[03:39] <kurt_> downloading bzr-explorer now
[03:39] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, cool
[03:39] <akiva-thinkpad> this is scm; you need to learn this for programming
[03:40] <ahoneybun> kurt_, thanks for showing your code I forgot to at i18n.tr to my text!
[03:40] <akiva-thinkpad> it will be hard at first
[03:40] <akiva-thinkpad> and then it will be extremely useful
[03:40] <kurt_> ya its for internationalization isnt it
[03:40] <kurt_> im a bad speller haha
[03:40] <akiva-thinkpad> yep
[03:41] <kurt_> okay my ubuntu one account connected with launch pad so im signed in now
[03:43] <kurt_> and your welcome most of the code was from the normal ubuntu example and I just tried to add a button that uses my C++ library
[03:44] <kurt_> so what is scm is bazzar for version control?
[03:45] <noobdev> hi guys
[03:47] <kurt_> hey
[03:47] <kurt_> welcom
[03:47] <kurt_> e
[03:48] <noobdev> hi im new at this
[03:48] <noobdev> so can i ask questions at here?
[03:49] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, good question
[03:49] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, yes
[03:49] <noobdev> i know some python that i learned at codeacademy , studying basic java at my university
[03:49] <noobdev> is qml/js(js learned some at codeacademy too)
[03:50] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, make sure you say my name so I am notified when you say something to me :P
[03:50] <akiva-thinkpad> bleh; java :P
[03:50] <noobdev> easy to understand? and where can i find some tutorials
[03:50] <kurt_> ah still getting the etiquette down akiva-thinkpad
[03:50] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, qml is actually extremely intuitive. I think the best practice is from working with it
[03:50] <noobdev> LOL , well to me its really easy to make some little software with JOption like the most ui part
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, when you open the sdk
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> err
[03:51] <noobdev> yeah im reading the documentation at qt-project.org some tutorial to phones
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, you do have the sdk installed right?
[03:51] <noobdev> yep im writing this from it
[03:51] <kurt_> noobdev are you on ubuntu?
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, okay
[03:51] <noobdev> linux mint
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, are you on ubuntu?
[03:51] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, oh...
[03:51] <kurt_> okay haha same deal
[03:52] <noobdev> is that bad? XD
[03:52]  * akiva-thinkpad thinks unity is better for programming, because of the hud
[03:52] <akiva-thinkpad> ^ thats my oh comment
[03:52] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways, a lot of people like mint, I just think you can be more productive on unity
[03:52] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways
[03:52] <akiva-thinkpad> for example
[03:52] <akiva-thinkpad> if you were on unity, I would have just told you to
[03:53] <akiva-thinkpad> press left alt, type "showcase"
[03:53] <akiva-thinkpad> on mint... well now I have to find it...
[03:53] <noobdev> damn it XD lol sorry
[03:53] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, no prob
[03:53] <akiva-thinkpad> in your menu
[03:53] <akiva-thinkpad> go to Tools>ubuntu>showcase gallery
[03:54] <noobdev> got it
[03:54] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, the hud allows you to execute menu commands through search, so its really useful that way
[03:55] <noobdev> wheres the search?
[03:55] <noobdev> type to locate? ctrl+k
[03:55] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, on unity :)
[03:56] <akiva-thinkpad> which is only on ubuntu.
[03:56] <noobdev> owww i understand now i think im going to install it, and i have a little trouble with my amd card well this is a laptop a6-3420 (6520g) + 6470m with private drivers i cant run the emulator
[03:57] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, anyways bazaar and launchpad allows you to host your code. Think of it as "Code" in the cloud
[03:57] <noobdev> i need radeon to run it
[03:57] <akiva-thinkpad> ubuntu is probably your best bet for stability
[03:57] <akiva-thinkpad> grab 14.10 though if you plan on developing. It will be a little less stable, but it will be easier to get software and that stuff
[03:58] <noobdev> because mir?
[03:58] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, good question; nope :P
[03:58] <kurt_> thought of trying 14.10 and downloaded ubuntu next
[03:59] <akiva-thinkpad> just because the libraries are the latest
[03:59] <akiva-thinkpad> constantly being  updated.
[04:00] <kurt_> is ubuntu next going to be the eventual default
[04:00] <kurt_> with the universal code base for phones and comp
[04:00] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, Don't know; you should ask on askubuntu
[04:00] <noobdev> ubuntu desktop next == ubuntu 14.10?
[04:00] <kurt_> no
[04:00] <kurt_> its just a version of it
[04:01] <kurt_> just like server is a different version
[04:01] <noobdev> but its based on 14.10 rigth?
[04:01] <kurt_> ya
[04:02] <kurt_> 14.10 was the first time i heard of ubuntu-next
[04:02] <kurt_> ive been using ubuntu since 10.04
[04:03] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, so host the code then get back with you?
[04:03] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, yep
[04:04] <akiva-thinkpad> just cd into your project folder
[04:04] <akiva-thinkpad> and go
[04:04] <akiva-thinkpad> or rather open it with bzr explorer
[04:04] <akiva-thinkpad> commit the changes you made
[04:04] <akiva-thinkpad> and then push it to a project page that you created from the website.
[04:05] <kurt_> command not found
[04:05] <kurt_> do i need anything besides bzr-explorer
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> sorry ignore the terminal
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> just open it from the dash
[04:06] <kurt_> oh haha
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> my bad
[04:06] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm a bit scatter brained at the moment.
[04:07] <kurt_> virtual repository?
[04:07] <akiva-thinkpad> hmm?
[04:07] <kurt_> tried to open it and it said its not already a branch and i see no add button
[04:08] <kurt_> oh start new project
[04:08] <kurt_> lol found it
[04:08] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, okay
[04:08] <kurt_> little scattered myself
[04:08] <akiva-thinkpad> alternatively when you create a new project on the sdk, you can choose bzr as a backend
[04:09] <kurt_> start as shared repository or plain branch
[04:13] <noobdev> i remember that i readed some at google something about 14.10 its going to be the last six month release and from here to the future it will be rolling release like archlinux
[04:14] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, started a feature branch think the program is still thinking
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, mmmmm havn't heard that
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> i've heard it tossed around
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> but nothing in stone
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, mmmmm don't know
[04:15] <kurt_> i think it may be stuck
[04:15] <noobdev> so theres going to be more 6 month release?
[04:15]  * akiva-thinkpad wishes he had his full faculties with him.
[04:15] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, i believe so.
[04:16] <kurt_> okay im at a screen that says trunk
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> so trunk is where you want to be
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> its what you have authority to upload to
[04:16] <akiva-thinkpad> now its easy
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> see the lp: address?
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> lp:my-app
[04:17] <kurt_> no
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> should be at the top
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> or when you click code
[04:17] <akiva-thinkpad> it should say
[04:18] <kurt_> i see no code or files do I add them
[04:18] <kurt_> i pointed it to the folder with the project files in it
[04:18] <akiva-thinkpad> yes, from bzr, but not using the website.
[04:18] <noobdev> damn i have a situation in here look at this http://imgur.com/YBWeXMQ
[04:19] <kurt_> ya im in the app i just didnt know i had to add the files after pointing the folder one sec
[04:19] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, heres an example
[04:19] <akiva-thinkpad> https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/dominion.linux/trunk
[04:19] <noobdev> i just solve it never mind
[04:19] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, glad I could help :p
[04:20] <noobdev> was just alt and click
[04:20] <noobdev> well akiva-thinkpad which videocard u have?
[04:20] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, I always go with intel these days
[04:21] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, more responsive; better with battery life; not a jerk to the linux kernel team.
[04:21] <noobdev> wow i found a python file at test
[04:22] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad i dont see that in bzr-explorer just looks like the site
[04:22] <noobdev> are u on ubuuntu 14.04?
[04:22] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, 14.10
[04:22] <akiva-thinkpad> final beta
[04:23] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, download shutter.
[04:23] <akiva-thinkpad> and take a screenshot of the desktop, and in the hud, type "export"
[04:23] <akiva-thinkpad> it will upload it to the web (choose imgur if you can)
[04:24] <akiva-thinkpad> and then I can see; its easy and quick to use
[04:24] <kurt_> i think i got it
[04:24] <kurt_> i added the files to thr trunk folder it added
[04:24] <kurt_> got this error bzr: ERROR: Unable to determine your name.
[04:24] <kurt_> Please, set your name with the 'whoami' command.
[04:24] <kurt_> E.g. bzr whoami "Your Name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:24] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, yah go to the preferences
[04:24] <akiva-thinkpad> or do that in in the terminal
[04:25] <kurt_> i logged in with my ubuntu credintials
[04:25] <akiva-thinkpad> oh btw, you need an ssh key
[04:25] <noobdev> No executable specified. at running some short tutorial
[04:25] <kurt_> like fingerprint
[04:25] <akiva-thinkpad> this prevents me from uploading to your branch under your name.
[04:25] <noobdev> *while
[04:27] <kurt_> do I need to commit now?
[04:27] <kurt_> or get the ssh key?
[04:27] <kurt_> I have used ssh alot at home but never needed a key
[04:27] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, go to your user page
[04:27] <akiva-thinkpad> on launchpad
[04:27] <akiva-thinkpad> and add an ssh key
[04:27] <akiva-thinkpad> it will tell you how to do it.
[04:28] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, whats your issue?
[04:29] <noobdev> when i run the app with ctrl r it show me no executable specified
[04:30] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, in the sdk?
[04:30] <noobdev> yup
[04:30] <akiva-thinkpad> what kind of app?
[04:30] <akiva-thinkpad> python?
[04:30] <noobdev> qml
[04:30] <akiva-thinkpad> qml; okay
[04:30] <akiva-thinkpad> how did you create the application?
[04:30] <noobdev> file new project
[04:31] <noobdev> ubuntu ui the first one
[04:31] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[04:31] <noobdev> and http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorial/building_your_first_qml_app/
[04:31] <akiva-thinkpad> are you on ubuntu?
[04:31] <noobdev> just copy and paste of the first part , im at mint
[04:32] <akiva-thinkpad> don't bother with this tutorial; just create a template application
[04:32] <akiva-thinkpad> i mean, bother with it, but only after you got a template running
[04:32] <akiva-thinkpad> the templates should run out of the box
[04:32] <akiva-thinkpad> if its not running, then you have to set your build and run environments
[04:32] <akiva-thinkpad> which can be tough if you don't know what you are doing
[04:32] <noobdev> what template application mean?
[04:33] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, i'll show you, sec
[04:34] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, i have a public key added
[04:34] <akiva-thinkpad> noobdev, http://imgur.com/Y0xYraJ
[04:35] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, okay it should work now
[04:35] <akiva-thinkpad> it will ask you for the password you gave it
[04:35] <akiva-thinkpad> so don't confuse it your system password (assuming its different)
[04:35] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, have you committed the changes?
[04:36] <noobdev> i just did that and still the same i cant run the default example
[04:36] <kurt_> it says no changes selected
[04:37] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, did you add files to the project?
[04:37] <akiva-thinkpad> i'll post a screenie what it should look like
[04:37] <kurt_> commited rev1
[04:38] <kurt_> I'm excited now!!!! lol
[04:38] <kurt_> im going to download shutter as well
[04:38] <akiva-thinkpad> http://imgur.com/MijZAfw
[04:38] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_,
[04:38] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, so after you commit
[04:38] <akiva-thinkpad> then you push to your branch or trunk
[04:38] <akiva-thinkpad> trunk as in tree trunk
[04:39] <akiva-thinkpad> and branch as in, stemming from that trunk
[04:40] <kurt_> okay thats done
[04:40] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, you push it ?
[04:41] <kurt_> ya
[04:41] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, in fire fox, I suggest you add these bookmarks: http://imgur.com/WRtFRvm
[04:41] <akiva-thinkpad> makes it easy to visit
[04:42] <kurt_> book mark the branches?
[04:45] <kurt_> but i dont see my code under the code section
[04:45] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, hmmm maybe that only shows up for branches
[04:45] <akiva-thinkpad> not trunks
[04:46] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, anyways heres how to make a branch
[04:46] <akiva-thinkpad> instead of pushing to lp:my-app
[04:46] <noobdev> well
[04:46] <akiva-thinkpad> push to lp:~myusername/my-app/my-branch-name
[04:46] <noobdev> bye im leaving to sleep and need to think if i need to finish my dual boot and make a hdd entire instalation with ubuntu 14.10
[04:47] <kurt_> do i just make a branch name
[04:48] <noobdev> thanks akiva , and the last question for today are u using just ubuntu and zero dual boot at ur main pc?
[04:52] <kurt_> says it cant find the project but im useing the same name
[04:54] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, whats your project page?
[04:55] <kurt_> on launchpad
[04:55] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[04:56] <akiva-thinkpad> ill branch to you
[04:56] <akiva-thinkpad> so you can see how it works.
[04:58] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, so I start the project on launchpad the use bzr-explorer to transfer it to launchpad
[04:59] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[04:59] <akiva-thinkpad> create new project on launchpad
[04:59] <akiva-thinkpad> sorry if I was unclear, again; scatterbrained
[05:06] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, https://launchpad.net/4track
[05:06] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, ah okay
[05:06] <akiva-thinkpad> so
[05:06] <akiva-thinkpad> you need to push to lp:4Track
[05:07] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, oh first configure this though
[05:07] <akiva-thinkpad> it should be on the right hand side
[05:08] <kurt_> configure what?
[05:08] <kurt_> on launchpad?
[05:09] <kurt_> ah i see configuration process on the launchpad site on the right hand side
[05:10] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[05:10]  * akiva-thinkpad buys steeped tea
[05:10] <akiva-thinkpad> feels slightly better
[05:13] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, push didnt like lp:4Track
[05:13] <kurt_> said invaild url
[05:13] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, have you configured it yet?
[05:13] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[05:13] <akiva-thinkpad> checks
[05:14] <kurt_> oh ya do i configure the bug tracker and everything or just certian things
[05:14] <akiva-thinkpad> everything
[05:14] <akiva-thinkpad> set everything to launchpa
[05:14] <akiva-thinkpad> d
[05:18] <kurt_> You can push the branch directly to Launchpad with the command:bzr push lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk  tried this
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> bzr push lp:lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> err
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> bzr push lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> heh; i am learning a few things here :P
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> I feel bad for giving you some bad advice
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ah swell
[05:19] <akiva-thinkpad> scatter brained
[05:20] <akiva-thinkpad> that is my excuse
[05:20] <kurt_> all cool
[05:21] <kurt_> thanks for the step by step help lol
[05:21] <akiva-thinkpad> it could have been better
[05:21] <akiva-thinkpad> as said; its hard at first
[05:21] <akiva-thinkpad> but it becomes easy
[05:21] <kurt_> says location is a repository
[05:21] <kurt_> i must have messed something up
[05:21]  * akiva-thinkpad is joining your team
[05:21] <akiva-thinkpad> so I can push
[05:22] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[05:22] <kurt_> *needs all the help he can get
[05:22] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, create a team for this app :P
[05:23] <kurt_> i saw that but cant find it now
[05:25] <kurt_> found it i think
[05:25] <akiva-thinkpad> https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[05:28] <kurt_> its active and no auth for approval
[05:28] <kurt_> akiv-thinkpad,  https://launchpad.net/~4track
[05:29] <akiva-thinkpad> cool
[05:30] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, done.
[05:30] <kurt_> sweet
[05:31] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, http://i.imgur.com/ouKjyVc.png
[05:32] <kurt_> do you need permissions
[05:32] <akiva-thinkpad> nope; open team :P
[05:32] <kurt_> oh so that could end up a bad thing......if i dont know the people?
[05:33] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, what do I do now
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> ah its coming back to me now
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> okay
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> so step 1
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> push branch to launchpad under your name
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> step 2
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> set that branch that you pushed as the project trunk
[05:34] <akiva-thinkpad> go to the main page for the project
[05:35] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, wait
[05:36] <akiva-thinkpad> you still havnt finished configuring it :P
[05:36] <kurt_> dangit
[05:36] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[05:36] <akiva-thinkpad> Launchpad does not know where 4Track hosts its code.
[05:36] <akiva-thinkpad> btw I named it trunk, but its not actually trunk :P
[05:38] <kurt_> akiva-thinkpad, tried but cant find a branch to push when I type 4Track in
[05:39] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[05:39] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, great
[05:39] <akiva-thinkpad> so
[05:39] <akiva-thinkpad> what you need to do is feed it an lp address
[05:40] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[05:40] <kurt_> zr push lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[05:40] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/kurt/SDK Files/audiorecorder/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, give it this lp:~akiva/4track/trunk
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, btw
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> if you want to download that branch
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> type
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> bzr branch lp:~akiva/4track/trunk
[05:41] <akiva-thinkpad> in a command line
[05:42] <kurt_> kurt@Crapbook:~/SDK Files/audiorecorder$ bzr push lp:~akiva/4track/trunk
[05:42] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/kurt/SDK Files/audiorecorder/.bzr/branch/": location is a repository.
[05:42] <kurt_> do I need to download it first lol
[05:42] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[05:42] <akiva-thinkpad> crap book?
[05:42] <akiva-thinkpad> what a gag
[05:43] <kurt_> downloading now
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, no
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> bzr branch lp:~akiva/4track/trunk
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> thats how you download it
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> pushing to it, well you can't because its mine!!
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> we need to set the project branch :P
[05:44] <akiva-thinkpad> and to do that you need to configure the project page on launchpad.net
[05:44] <kurt_> thats all i have left to config
[05:44] <kurt_> is the project branch
[05:44] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[05:44] <akiva-thinkpad> okay
[05:44] <akiva-thinkpad> and it shows a dialoge with a magnifying glass?
[05:45]  * akiva-thinkpad should create his own and figure out how to do it
[05:45] <kurt_> i have shutter now
[05:46] <kurt_> why does it say location is a repository?
[05:46] <kurt_> i get the same erro as before
[05:47] <akiva-thinkpad> okay lets be clear; you are on a website right
[05:47] <akiva-thinkpad> this error is coming from there?
[05:47] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, ah we might as well grab team viewer
[05:47] <akiva-thinkpad> ever used that
[05:47] <akiva-thinkpad> ?
[05:47]  * akiva-thinkpad finishes his tea, and becomes super focussed
[05:49] <kurt_> i have used hamachi in windows
[05:49] <kurt_> helping with an exactimate install lol
[05:49] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[05:49] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[05:49] <kurt_> what 4Tracks project ID
[05:50] <akiva-thinkpad> lp:4tracks I presume
[05:51] <kurt_> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch i tried following this
[05:51] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, okay prepare to be helped
[05:51] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[05:51] <kurt_> haha I am already farther than I would have been
[05:53] <kurt_> sorry i cant pick it up faster really haha
[05:53] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, no prob
[05:54] <akiva-thinkpad> okay sec
[05:54] <akiva-thinkpad> http://i.imgur.com/LbuF6wG.png
[05:56] <akiva-thinkpad> http://imgur.com/qrfXkda
[05:57] <kurt_> i almost got it then got this error
[05:57] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk ": : Invalid branch name 'trunk '. Branch names must start with a number or letter.  The characters +, -, _, . and @ are also allowed after the first character.
[05:58] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, http://i.imgur.com/IzdG7bE.png
[05:58] <kurt_> the ssh key was used when trying to branch
[05:59] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, did you add an extra space in it?
[05:59] <akiva-thinkpad> doesnt accept spaces
[05:59] <akiva-thinkpad> anyways
[05:59] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[06:00] <kurt_> It worked!!!
[06:00] <kurt_> i had white space
[06:00] <kurt_> wait
[06:00] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "/~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk ": : Invalid branch name 'trunk '. Branch names must start with a number or letter.  The characters +, -, _, . and @ are also allowed after the first character.
[06:00] <kurt_> Run command: bzr branch trunk lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk --bind --revision 1 --use-existing-dir
[06:00] <kurt_> Branched 1 revision.
[06:00] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: To use this feature you must upgrade your branch at bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk/.
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, erm
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, branch is for taking code that is up on launchpad
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> do you actually have code on launchpad yet?
[06:01] <kurt_> no
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> okay
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> so replace ingintiongtown
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> with
[06:01] <akiva-thinkpad> akiva
[06:02] <akiva-thinkpad> because that is my branch
[06:02] <akiva-thinkpad> it was pushed under my name
[06:02] <akiva-thinkpad> if you push
[06:02] <akiva-thinkpad> you push it under your name
[06:03] <kurt_> well i tried your link it didnt work but found this ~akiva/4track/trunk
[06:03] <kurt_> should i link that
[06:04] <kurt_> for the last image you sent me
[06:04] <akiva-thinkpad> link that; yah
[06:04] <akiva-thinkpad> that is the branch that is uploaded
[06:06] <kurt_> the code is up it seems
[06:07] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, getting the hang of it yet :P
[06:07] <akiva-thinkpad> I swear it gets less painful!
[06:07] <akiva-thinkpad> you got to believe me!
[06:07] <kurt_> slowly
[06:08] <kurt_> thats what I yell my dad about learning linux
[06:08] <kurt_> haha
[06:08] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[06:08] <kurt_> so i belive you cause I would want to use nothing els after I got the hang of it
[06:08] <akiva-thinkpad> I just refuse my family tech support on their windows machines
[06:08] <akiva-thinkpad> they come around slowly
[06:08] <kurt_> hes been installing a ubuntu media server with me on the phone haha
[06:09] <akiva-thinkpad> oh wow; that must of been fun :P
[06:09] <kurt_> I support whatever if i have to
[06:09] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, heh, I charge through the nose if I have to touch windows
[06:09] <kurt_> ya I told him to wait and ill install it and he can mantain it but he wanted to dive in haha
[06:10] <kurt_> Is that you app you branched to 4Track looks way complex haha
[06:11] <kurt_> and quick question have you ever tried gentoo
[06:12] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, long time ago
[06:12] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, I have a good site for that
[06:13] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
[06:13] <akiva-thinkpad> Welcome, this page is dedicated to the Linux Community's greatest ambassadors, Gentoo users. Like the annoying teenager next door with a 90hp import sporting a 6 foot tall bolt-on wing, Gentoo users are proof that society is best served by roving gangs of armed vigilantes, dishing out swift, cold justice with baseball bats to those ******** ricer bastards.
[06:17] <kurt_> haha i went to it
[06:17] <kurt_> i thought it would be a good learning experince
[06:17] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[06:18] <kurt_> it seems pretty ridiculous
[06:18] <kurt_> im trying to get my Linux+
[06:19] <kurt_> but any how does my code show up on launchpad for you?
[06:20] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[06:20] <akiva-thinkpad> let me check
[06:20] <kurt_> im gonna have to show that site to some buddies haha
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, heh
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> okay go to your code place
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> https://code.launchpad.net/~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> now click
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> "propose for merging
[06:21] <akiva-thinkpad> "
[06:21] <kurt_> then what
[06:22] <akiva-thinkpad> set your target branch. The default one is right there
[06:22] <akiva-thinkpad> so add description
[06:22] <kurt_> and thats it?
[06:22] <akiva-thinkpad> and a commit message
[06:22] <akiva-thinkpad> lp:4track
[06:22] <akiva-thinkpad> and just go propose merge
[06:23] <kurt_> pending
[06:23] <akiva-thinkpad> okay doke
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> now go here
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> https://code.launchpad.net/~akiva/4track/trunk
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> thats the trunks place
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> should say
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> 1 branch proposed for merging into this one
[06:24] <akiva-thinkpad> click that
[06:25] <akiva-thinkpad> now it says
[06:26] <akiva-thinkpad> "to merge this branch, bzr merge lp:lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[06:26] <kurt_> in command line
[06:27] <akiva-thinkpad> think so
[06:27] <kurt_> says no working tree existences
[06:27] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[06:27] <akiva-thinkpad> lemme try it
[06:28] <kurt_> its my folder
[06:28] <akiva-thinkpad> oh
[06:28] <kurt_> it has space
[06:28] <akiva-thinkpad> okay
[06:29] <akiva-thinkpad> so you got it to work?
[06:29] <kurt_> let me re name it will that affect anything else
[06:29] <kurt_> nevermind still didnt work
[06:30] <kurt_> kurt@Crapbook:~/SDK Files/audiorecorder$ bzr merge lp:~ignitiongtown/4track/trunk
[06:30] <kurt_> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/kurt/SDKFiles/audiorecorder/.bzr/checkout/".
[06:30] <akiva-thinkpad> ermmmm
[06:31]  * akiva-thinkpad never remembered this being so confusing
[06:31] <kurt_> okay I got it
[06:31] <kurt_> i was in the directory i changed the name of
[06:31] <kurt_> to i changed out of it and back in
[06:32] <kurt_> so it should have worked
[06:33] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[06:33] <akiva-thinkpad> well for what its worth; I am having trouble with the bloody emulator
[06:33] <akiva-thinkpad> I still can't get it to freaking work
[06:34] <akiva-thinkpad> its so UNCLEAR
[06:36] <kurt_> i changed it to merged but i think thats just a status
[06:37]  * akiva-thinkpad yells at emulator
[06:37] <kurt_> what emulator the ubuntu touch one?
[06:38] <kurt_> its never worked for me
[06:38] <akiva-thinkpad> same
[06:38] <akiva-thinkpad> i can get it to run
[06:38] <akiva-thinkpad> but running an app on it is so damn difficult and vague
[06:46] <kurt_> i think its working now
[06:47] <akiva-thinkpad> hate... emulators... so damn much
[06:49] <kurt_> do you not have a N4
[06:50] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, I don't even have a phone
[06:50]  * akiva-thinkpad lives in poverty
[06:50] <akiva-thinkpad> but I'm happy
[06:50] <akiva-thinkpad> a developer was bugging me to use the emulator to test
[06:52] <kurt_> I can help testing if that's possible
[06:54] <akiva-thinkpad> nice fellow
[06:54] <akiva-thinkpad> no I need to figure this out
[06:54] <akiva-thinkpad> bloody rubbish
[06:54] <akiva-thinkpad> everyone else has an easy time
[06:54] <akiva-thinkpad> why me?
[07:01] <kurt_> it still didnt merge either lolo
[07:01] <kurt_> lol
[07:02] <akiva-thinkpad> bah!!!
[07:02] <akiva-thinkpad> I think I may have solved my error
[07:02] <kurt_> well thas good
[07:03] <kurt_> im gonna re submit
[07:04] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, good luck my friend
[07:04] <kurt_> haha thanks a million
[07:05] <akiva-thinkpad> ;_;  some day we will get over this hurdle, and become champions
[07:05] <akiva-thinkpad> carry on my friend; don't let it defeat us!
[07:07] <kurt_> oh you have to accept it since your the reviewer
[07:07] <kurt_> or can i delete it and make me the reviewer?
[07:08] <kurt_> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review
[07:11] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, done
[07:11] <akiva-thinkpad> approved
[07:13] <kurt_> sweet so you can see my code now?
[07:13] <akiva-thinkpad> sec
[07:14] <akiva-thinkpad> yep; says its merged
[07:15] <kurt_> well it you get any down time and can see what I messed up that would be awsome
[07:21] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, well you merged into my branch, its prob not gonna function
[07:21] <akiva-thinkpad> I literally set the music app as the trunk
[07:25] <kurt_> oh crap
[07:25] <kurt_> i didnt think i could mess any of your stuff up
[07:25] <kurt_> can i unmerge it?
[07:26] <akiva-thinkpad> oh don't worry
[07:26] <akiva-thinkpad> you didnt touch my stuff
[07:26] <kurt_> good
[07:26] <akiva-thinkpad> I just tossed the code into that project
[07:26] <kurt_> i figured i couldnt
[07:26] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[07:27] <kurt_> any way for me to fix it?
[07:27] <akiva-thinkpad> download the trunk, delete all my code?
[07:27] <akiva-thinkpad> :P
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> theres probably a better way
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> in fact I'm sure there is
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> just revert
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> never done that myself
[07:28] <akiva-thinkpad> but you can
[07:29] <kurt_> ill look up how
[07:30] <kurt_> bzr revert -r -2
[07:30]  * akiva-thinkpad checks his emulator
[07:30] <kurt_> ha
[07:32] <akiva-thinkpad> worked?
[07:32] <kurt_> no
[07:33] <kurt_> brb
[07:46] <kurt_> im back
[07:46] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, welcome back
[07:52] <kurt_> I may just go to bed and work with it tomorrow its 4:00 am here lol
[07:52] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[07:52] <akiva-thinkpad> don't blame you
[07:53] <kurt_> should i just delete all the code from there and just try to add mine with bazzar?
[07:55] <akiva-thinkpad> probably would be best
[07:57] <kurt_> is ubuntu your main distro?
[07:58] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, love it
[07:58] <akiva-thinkpad> yes
[08:10] <akiva-thinkpad> intltool
[08:10] <akiva-thinkpad> wtf
[08:14] <kurt_> ?
[08:15] <kurt_> i cant find the stupid trash can to delete a branch
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> kurt_, do me a favour
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> open up a terminal
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> and type intlt, then press tab
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> I want to know if intltool is installed for you
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> after that
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> try and run intltool
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> tell me what it says
[08:16] <kurt_> no but i can install
[08:16] <akiva-thinkpad> yes sudo apt-get install it
[08:17] <akiva-thinkpad> its tiny
[08:17] <akiva-thinkpad> for some reason though I can't run it.
[08:18] <kurt_> it still wont run after its installed
[08:19] <akiva-thinkpad> im getting
[08:19] <akiva-thinkpad> intltool: command not found
[08:19] <akiva-thinkpad> is that the same as you?
[08:21] <kurt_> intltool
[08:21] <kurt_> No command 'intltool' found, did you mean:
[08:21] <kurt_>  Command 'inteltool' from package 'inteltool' (universe)
[08:21] <kurt_> intltool: command not found
[08:22] <kurt_> same erro before and after install
[08:22] <akiva-thinkpad> yah
[08:22] <akiva-thinkpad> its something else
[08:22] <akiva-thinkpad> intltool-merge
[08:22] <akiva-thinkpad> thats the one I need; my mistake
[08:22] <akiva-thinkpad> but now I still can't figure out why this wont build
[08:25] <kurt_> im going to bed lol good night
[08:46] <akiva-thinkpad> BLAHA I WANT TO STRANGLE THE BLOODY EMULATOR
[08:46] <akiva-thinkpad> rubbish piece of junk; what the heck is "cat:" doing as the name of my emulator
[08:47] <akiva-thinkpad> what happened to my other emulators
[08:47] <akiva-thinkpad> why can't I delete "cat:"?
[08:47] <akiva-thinkpad> ;_;
[10:49] <mzanetti> ogra_: hey, I think you might need to update the webapp container for your games
[10:50] <ogra_> not only my games :)
[10:50] <mzanetti> ogra_: they don't work in your webapps, but work fine if visiting the softgames site with the browser
[10:50] <ogra_> all my apps need some love, i just didnt have time for it yet
[10:50] <mzanetti> ogra_: besides they show the header nowadays, you can disable that
[11:22] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90, ping
[11:24] <akiva-thinkpad> Can someone help me with this?
[11:24] <akiva-thinkpad> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8499320/
[11:24] <akiva-thinkpad> I am trying to run the music app on the emulator
[11:25] <akiva-thinkpad> but blah; this is stopping me.
[14:48] <joehannes> cheers guys?
[14:48] <joehannes> !
[14:48] <joehannes> any advice on the following: HTML5 or QML?! (if feasible I prefer HTML5 since I am web dev)
[14:49] <joehannes> and: is such an app then DESKTOP + TABLET + PHONE ??? or is desktop separate?
[14:49] <joehannes> !HTML5
[15:00] <ahoneybun> joehannes, should be all of them
[15:01] <joehannes> ahoneybun ... thx, and what about HTML5 ... is it ready yet?
[15:02] <ahoneybun> I have not used HTML5 yet but it is in the SDK so I would think it is ready
[15:02] <ahoneybun> I've been using QML
[15:02] <joehannes> hmmm, the docs say something like qml is further developed than html5 integration, that's why I'm asking ...
[15:02] <joehannes> hmmm ...
[15:02] <joehannes> what's your experiences on QML ... ?
[15:03] <joehannes> I think I'll give HTML5 at least a try
[15:10] <ahoneybun> joehannes, I have 1 app in the store in QML and working on another one
[15:19] <joehannes> ahoneybun ... tell me, which one, curious, wann try
[15:19] <ahoneybun> SameSexMarriage
[15:19] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/a/brLcG also I'm working on this
[15:19] <ahoneybun> not released but the code is on lp
[15:22] <joehannes> dude ... is it all about how to prevent and counterstrive? the samesexmarriage thing? is it a christian advisory app on how to educate and raise to avoid certain difficulties????
[15:24] <joehannes> your advisory dictionary on how to avoid gayness and preserve a certain sense of how the human was meant to be and designed by an all-emmanent God cannot be found in my version of the appstore I'm afraid
[15:25] <ahoneybun> um no it tells you what states it is legal in and which it is not legal
[15:26] <joehannes> ahh ... k ... so a dictionary on current state of mental wickedness of society, that's ok IMHO *gg*
[15:26] <joehannes> anyway, enuff opinionated, hihihi ... can't find it in the app store
[15:27] <ahoneybun> search same or love that works
[15:28] <joehannes> can't find it on the app store, what's the keywords?? haha, if I look for marriage I get "Stealth Bastard Deluxe" ... if that doesn't tell it all *lol*
[15:28] <joehannes> ok
[15:29] <joehannes> do I need to adapt my app store settings or something? is it 14.10 only? can't find it
[15:29] <ahoneybun> odd
[15:32] <joehannes> ok, ... same gave too many results ... I didn't scroll through all of em ... but love didn't come up with it
[15:33] <joehannes> no, sorted same search result by name, not in there
[15:35] <joehannes> oh, the other one's a handbook
[15:35] <joehannes> nice
[15:35] <joehannes> ahoneybun ... say, is all of the core apps gonna look like this new ubuntu design thing? with 14.10?
[15:36] <ahoneybun> a bit yea
[15:36] <joehannes> cool, why not
[15:37] <joehannes> more usable on touch devices ... maybe even useful to have a touchscreen on your laptop then
[18:08] <kurt_> I still have all my files in the same spot but I cant open the whole project to run it?
[18:09] <kurt_> what happend can I just drag them one at a time(not that I want to) put the dang project wont open.........
[18:09] <kurt_> put = but
[18:34] <joehannes_> hey guys! Anyone tried to use a framework like angular to dev a html5 app for ubuntu yet?
[22:15] <ahoneybun> ahayzen, ping
[22:53] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, pong
[22:53] <ahoneybun> ahayzen_, http://imgur.com/a/brLcG#QNPCDcy
[22:54] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, awesome :)
[22:54] <ahoneybun> thanks I kinda like it
[22:54] <ahayzen_> ahoneybun, it looks nice :)
[22:55] <ahoneybun> thanks :)
[22:55] <ahoneybun> I think it is almost ready
[23:36] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen_, I swear I spent 14 hours trying to get an emulator to work with the sdk, to no avail
[23:36] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, :/
[23:36]  * akiva-thinkpad is going to reinstall a third time.
[23:36] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, i don't use the emulator never had much success
[23:36] <akiva-thinkpad> yah I just can't get it to build on the device.
[23:37] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen_, i feel better not being alone
[23:37] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, hah i feel ur pain
[23:37] <akiva-thinkpad> I wonder if I should learn cmake...?
[23:38] <akiva-thinkpad> nik90 I know from checking the logs had a similar issue as I. you there nik90 ?
[23:39] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, xchat says he is away
[23:39] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen_, where does it say that? (i'm on hex)
[23:40] <akiva-thinkpad> is it just greyed out?
[23:40] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, his name is greyed out
[23:40] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen_, ah cool; didn't know that
[23:40] <akiva-thinkpad> thanks
[23:40]  * ahayzen_ assumes that means away
[23:40] <akiva-thinkpad> !cookie | ahayzen_
[23:40]  * ahayzen_ eats cookie nom nom nom
[23:42] <akiva-thinkpad> ahayzen_, oh pro tip; never run qtcreator as sudo. It deletes a bunch of config files and recreates them with sudo privileges. :P
[23:42]  * akiva-thinkpad was trying everything to get that emulator to work.
[23:42] <ahayzen_> akiva-thinkpad, haha omg
[23:47]  * ahoneybun notes that
[23:48] <akiva-thinkpad> brb
[23:49] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad:  hey I am sleeping and replying from my mobile here..
[23:50] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: can you send me an email with the details of the issue that you face
[23:50] <nik90> akiva-thinkpad: I can then take a look in the morning (about 8 hrs from now)
[23:51] <nik90> Nite
[23:54] <ahayzen_> eh why is "QtQuick.Controls.Styles" not installed on device :/
[23:54]  * ahayzen_ wonders how to theme a slider
[23:56] <ahayzen_> ah i see how the SDK is doing it...


[02:36] <LjL> The IRCC have determined that I should leave the IRC Team, and I will not be an operator any longer. It has been nice to be around for these years, at least with some of you. Have fun. Logs of the discussion that led to this decision will be released on the Ubuntu IRC mailing list.
[03:03] <jbroome> awkward
[03:56] <Corey> Hawkward.
[09:35] <Pricey> IdleOne: Surely the ban is a little over the top?
[11:10] <IdleOne> yeah, I forgot to remove it
[11:17] <Pricey> I'm not sure why it was needed in the first place.
[11:19] <IdleOne> Pricey: I asked him in the -ops-team channel to please part the ops channels and he politely refused and said I would have to force him to part.
[14:57] <JohnCalvin> !ops
[14:57] <JohnCalvin> !staff
[14:57] <niko> ...
[14:57] <niko> JohnCalvin: still on that game ?
[14:57] <Pricey> Hey JohnCalvin, new isp? :)
[14:58] <JohnCalvin> ?
[14:58] <Pricey> JohnCalvin: How can I help?
[14:58] <JohnCalvin> repent and believe the gospel or perish in eternal hell fire!
[14:58] <JohnCalvin> !ops
[14:58] <JohnCalvin> !staff
[14:58] <Pici> ...
[14:59] <DJones> Still a comcast ip address
[15:00] <jbroome> dafuq
[15:00] <Pici> I thought we disabled ubottu from announcing those in here?
[15:00] <Pricey> Pici: Yes but doesn't match that host.
[15:01] <DJones> IP address: <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:01] <DJones> Location: Boston, MA, UNITED STATES
[15:01] <Pici> Pricey: hmm. For some reason I thought it was completely disabled for -ops, not just an ubottu ignore.
[15:01] <DJones> Still would be a ma.comcast.com ip address
[15:01] <phunyguy> I assure you, Boston is better than this.
[15:02] <phunyguy> :(
[15:03] <Pricey> Aha so someone's removed some of my access to ubottu. Whoever it was... it would have been polite to have let me know.
[15:03] <Pici> err
[15:23] <jussi> Pricey: which access? Im not sure we meant to, if it actually is removed. drop into -bots-team and let us know!
[15:23] <Pricey> jussi: 'admin'
[15:24] <Pricey> jussi: I retain bantracker & editfactoids.
[15:24] <jussi> mhm, Ill chat to tsimpson and see.
[15:25] <Pricey> I don't need or especially want admin back. I'm just miffed that nobody mentioned it.
[15:25] <jussi> Pricey: when did it diesappear? i.e last time you used it was... +
[15:25] <jussi> ?
[15:25] <Pricey> irclogs/14/01/freenode/ubottu.log:140104T225030<ubottu> [admin; editfactoids; bantracker]
[15:25] <Pricey> irclogs/14/02/freenode/ubottu.log:140227T150229<ubottu> [editfactoids; bantracker]
[15:26] <jussi> Pricey: looking at it now
[15:26] <Pricey> (I probably shouldn't still have it even... I imagine it's a half-decade leftover from ircc days?)
[15:26] <jussi> likely
[15:26] <jussi> I didnt do it, but checking with Terrence to see whats up.
[15:27] <Pricey> It's just the whole... "we're all friends, lets talk" thing :)
[15:27] <jussi> Pricey: no issues, it may have been a routine clean up
[15:33] <tsimpson> Pricey: only IRCC folk and people responsible for running the bot should have admin, I neglected the management of that for some time but took the recent council election as an opportunity to clean things up
[15:33] <tsimpson> the only reason someone needs admin anyway is to make the bot join/part channels or to add/remove other capabilities
[15:34] <tsimpson> the ignore management has been added to Encyclopedia via @ignore, @unignore, and @ignorelist


[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> i see there have been no updates to karmic today...
[00:47] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: I got plenty
[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> i suppose this is because of Alpha 1 tomorrow
[00:47] <BUGabundo> ahhh true
[00:47] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: maybe i installed them without realizing...
[00:48] <pace_t_zulu> hmmm
[00:51] <ienorand> Yea there were around ~15 afaik
[00:53] <BUGabundo> night
[19:20] <B0ia_fria> i'm having a little problem using live from karmic... i'm using ext4 on hd0,0... and get this massege before drop to busybox SQUASHFS error: Major/Minor mismatch, older Squashfs 3.1 filesystems are unsupported... any idea?
[19:27] <B0ia_fria> already using 2.6.30 rc5
[19:39] <mrpockets> ohhi!
[19:40] <mrpockets> I want to be WOWd with 9.10
[19:40] <mrpockets> what can i play with?
[19:40] <rski> nothing yet really
[19:40] <rski> bit early
[19:41] <mrpockets> I can't put my finger on it, but somethings prettier
[20:31] <mphill> mrpockets: thats the placebo effect
[20:42] <mrpockets> lol
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hi everyone
[21:31] <pace_t_zulu> hey BUGabundo
[21:32] <mrpockets> guys
[21:32] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: [[]]
[21:32] <mrpockets> im having some issues with dvd::rip
[21:32] <mrpockets> is such software kinda frowned upon here?
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: are you having problems on karmic?
[21:33] <mrpockets> I'm not famaliar with this karmic which you speak of
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: we will assume you are violating any copyright laws when ripping a DVD
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> !ot | mrpockets
[21:34] <mrpockets> pace_t_zulu, the irony is that I never legit purchase DVDs, but got a good deal on TakeDown, and want to rip it to the collection on the count of i screw up every disk i touch
[21:34] <pace_t_zulu> mrpockets: please take your questions elsewhere
[21:37] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: uhh on topic, but aggressive...
[21:37] <BUGabundo> you scared him
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: how was he on topic?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> we need to make Ubuntu better... not scare new users
[21:38] <BUGabundo> he wasnt
[21:38] <BUGabundo> but there's ways to tell it nicelly
[21:38] <BUGabundo> you did the correct thing
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> i did tell him
[21:38] <pace_t_zulu> i gave him an !ot message
[21:38] <BUGabundo> just a bit aggressively
[21:38] <BUGabundo> nevermind
[21:39] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i get what you are saying... he seemed like the MPAA
[21:39] <pace_t_zulu> just trying to target Ubuntu next
[21:39] <BUGabundo> eheheheh
[21:39] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: I have the same prob. most of what I say can look aggressive to others, and mean stuff I didn't mean to say :(
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i made it clear to discuss it in the context of legal ripping of DVDs
[21:40] <pace_t_zulu> and mrpockets made it clear he wouldn't
[21:41] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: sounded like the MPAA up to dirty tricks
[21:44] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i should have been nicer, agreed
[21:45] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, do you watch dvds with vlc + libdvdcss2?
[21:45] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: but this guy being clear about breaking the law on official Ubuntu channels
[21:45] <foxbuntu> (or similar)
[21:45] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: on occasion yes
[21:45] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: if he does, redirect the subject to #ubuntu-ops
[21:45] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, thats actually ripping a dvd
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: believe me, i have nothing but contempt for the MPAA
[21:46] <foxbuntu> pace_t_zulu, I am not saying your wrong in how you handled it...but I wanted to clear a point
[21:46] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: i am aware of the point...
[21:47] <foxbuntu> :)
[21:47] <pace_t_zulu> foxbuntu: thank you though for clearing that up, if i hadn't been aware, it is a good thing to know
[21:47] <foxbuntu> many dont know that (with the exception of LinDVD and fluendo codecs) DVD and MP3 playback in Linux is actually illegal
[21:48] <ienorand> Was he not asking for a backup in this specific case?
[21:48] <foxbuntu> ienorand, not really
[21:49] <ondisk> foxbuntu: that depends on which country, right?
[21:49] <foxbuntu> ondisk, any country that acks US Patent and Copyright laws
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Portugal is NOT ilegal
[21:50] <ondisk> then canonical is obviously assisting that crime
[21:51] <foxbuntu> ondisk, nope, look at what canonical provides
[21:51] <ondisk> foxbuntu: what does it provide?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> ondisk: a buddy to help *buy* codecs legally
[21:52] <foxbuntu> ondisk, the default install of Ubuntu does not support DVD CSS or encoded WMA/MP3 ect
[21:53] <ondisk> foxbuntu: it's just one or two clicks away, tho
[21:54] <foxbuntu> ondisk, but thats the case in Windows too
[21:54] <foxbuntu> what the user does with the O/S and third party software is not canonical's fault
[21:55] <pace_t_zulu> need to reboot
[21:57] <Trewas> foxbuntu: canonical has the mirrors which offer mp3 etc codecs, so it is not really 3rd party software
[21:57] <Trewas> but I guess they have done their legal homework :P
[21:58] <acicula> i thought the reason it is split is the same as why by default nvidia drivers are not included by default? used to be so anyway
[21:58] <foxbuntu> Trewas, not exactly, the mirror hosting libdvdcss2 are outside canonical, and the mp3 codecs are as well
[21:59] <BUGabundo> humm you guys mean medibuntu?
[21:59] <BUGabundo>  !medibuntu
[21:59] <foxbuntu> BUGabundo, :)
[21:59] <Trewas> foxbuntu: at least mp3 codecs are in main canonical mirrors
[22:00] <foxbuntu> acicula, not exactly (again), Ubuntu only includes "free" software in the main distro
[22:00] <ondisk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/g/gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10/
[22:00] <Trewas> maybe in multiverse but I don't think that would make any difference legally
[22:00] <foxbuntu> Trewas, yes, gstreamer is free
[22:00] <ondisk> mpeg and mp3 is patented
[22:00] <foxbuntu> Trewas, gstreamer is licensed and legal
[22:00] <IngForigua> are there support for spanish language in openoffice?
[22:01] <foxbuntu> Trewas, I applogize I wasnt clear by saying MP3
[22:01] <Trewas> foxbuntu: legal (in copyright sense) and patent-free are different things
[22:02] <acicula> foxbuntu: yes mp3 is a patented technology, nvidia drivers are proprietary, so not free and therefor not included right?
[22:02] <acicula> well "free"
[22:02] <foxbuntu> acicula, correct
[22:03] <foxbuntu> Trewas, i understand that...however you should go have a look at gstreamer vs the codecs provided by medibuntu
[22:04] <BUGabundo> hi IngForigua. welcome here
[22:04] <Trewas> foxbuntu: I know there are commercial fuendo codecs available if someone wants to be really within the bounds of law...
[22:04] <Trewas> fluendo
[22:05] <IngForigua> thanks BUGabundo, I migrate to karmic 15 min ago :)
[22:05] <foxbuntu> Trewas, indeed there are, but MP3 has two patent holders, one @ MIT (gstreamer)  and 1 corporately held (most common) and this is the one fluendo licenses
[22:06] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: I know! I read on Identica
[22:06] <IngForigua> some apps is in english, and i am a spanish user :P
[22:07] <acicula> is it legal to use libdvdcss in the states or does it conflict with the dmca?
[22:08] <foxbuntu> acicula, not legal
[22:08] <IngForigua> i migrate through update-manager
[22:08] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: translatios aren't still open for karmic
[22:08] <BUGabundo> its too soon
[22:09] <IngForigua> I can help to translate in lauchpad?
[22:09] <acicula> IngForigua: i think so, there's a list of untranslated sentences i think
[22:10] <acicula> via LP, but going of memory here
[22:10] <IngForigua> Ok, that's right
[22:12] <BUGabundo> IngForigua: sure! but try to interact with your translation team for your language
[22:13] <IngForigua> acicula: the translations is not available for karmic :(
[22:13] <IngForigua> BUGabundo: ok
[22:14] <acicula> IngForigua: to new i suppose
[22:14] <IngForigua> https://translations.launchpad.net/ <<<<----- isn't available
[22:15] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+translations
[22:15] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, karmic isnt open yet
[22:16] <IngForigua> when, open the translatios, do you know foxbuntu
[22:17] <foxbuntu> IngForigua, sorry I dont know when. Likely near Alpha 1 release
[22:17] <BUGabundo>  !schedule | IngForigua
[22:17] <BUGabundo> foxbuntu: Alpha1 comes out today, right? eheh
[22:17] <foxbuntu> BUGabundo, oh crap does it?
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I think so
[22:18] <BUGabundo> we are on freeze for it
[22:18] <BUGabundo> let me check cdimage
[22:18] <acicula> thought i saw someone say that
[22:18] <foxbuntu> yup
[22:18] <acicula> (earlier)(
[22:18] <foxbuntu> ugh
[22:18] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.10/alpha-1/
[22:18] <BUGabundo> its out
[22:18] <acicula> bunch of updates today at least
[22:18] <IngForigua> June 11th
[22:18] <foxbuntu> well I gtg now anyways...later all
[22:18] <IngForigua> oks :) is on June 11th
[22:18] <acicula> cya
[22:18]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[22:20] <digitaloktay> what is the next release name after karmic?
[22:21] <IngForigua> gnome 2.27.1 looks very good :)
[22:21] <acicula> there's a list somewhere on the wiki, but i dont think it's very fixed
[22:22] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: still unk aFAIK
[22:25]  * IngForigua think that karmic will be the best :)
[22:25] <BUGabundo> me too IngForigua
[22:26] <BUGabundo> ~200 ppl on +1? nice
[22:27] <IngForigua> goodbye
[22:28] <digitaloktay> but gnome seems to be the same
[22:30] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:30] <BUGabundo> still no new release
[22:32] <acicula> is there anything exciting in a new gnome release?
[22:32] <acicula> *the
[22:34] <BUGabundo> what new?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> isn't it .26.1 ?
[22:34] <mphill> BUGabundo: it is according to the about screen
[22:35] <mphill> they claim its .27
[22:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:35] <mphill> i saw some libraries come down the other day
[22:35] <BUGabundo> guess I'm still late on upgrades
[22:35] <mphill> maybe its sorta in a hybrid state
[22:35] <mphill> thus far, there is nothing to write home about really
[22:35] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy gnome-about   Installed: 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2
[22:36] <digitaloktay> yes  *** 1:2.26.1-0ubuntu2 0
[22:37] <mphill> i upgraded my nvidia driver to the lastest last night and the window decorator coruption is back again
[22:37] <mphill> can't win
[22:38] <mphill> gotta go! later
[22:39] <BUGabundo> mphill: using repo version or Nvidia site?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:28] <BUGabundo> does mutting sound with keyboard shortcut, FAIL?


[01:30] <uofm49426> question can i use my laptop as a remote for my desktop
[01:31] <uofm49426> lubutu 11.10 laptop 32 bit and xubuntu 12.04 desktop 64 bit
[01:34] <uofm49426> what packages do i need to install on host and what do i need for the remote laptop
[01:34] <Unit193> VNC style or SSH?
[01:35] <uofm49426> first time trying to set up so dont know
[01:36] <uofm49426> i kind of want to us my laptop as the key board and the touch pad as mouse
[01:37] <uofm49426> kind of like what i can do with xp and a psp
[01:38] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[01:38] <Unit193> !vnc
[01:41] <uofm49426> laptop all i need is any viewer desktop i need a vnc server
[01:42] <Unit193> Yep, pretty much.
[02:06] <uofm49426> work but dont have mouse working or keyboard
[02:08] <kanliot> synergy will do that, but never used it personally
[02:08] <Unit193> Ah, there's that too, great tool.
[02:09]  * kanliot wonders if it works with trackpads
[02:09] <uofm49426> im using x11vnc for host and xvnc4viewer
[02:09] <Unit193> Yep.
[02:15] <kanliot> i installed deadbeef audio player from source.  works ok, i guess, but now I can't seem to install a .deb packackage of deadbeef, over the same install?  this normal?  install from source again?
[02:27] <uofm49426> hey it working fine
[02:28] <uofm49426> cheaper then a wireless keyboard lol
[02:28] <kanliot> which way you do it with?
[02:31] <kanliot> i figured it out
[02:31] <uofm49426> working out of the box x11vnc
[02:31] <kanliot> sudo make uninstall
[02:31] <kanliot> or ./configure; sudo make uninstall
[03:21] <Mobil> Good evening gents. I had an issue last night that I couldn't install my video drivers, however with a bit of tinkering, I was able to with the help of someone here. I don't think the videocard drivers are properly installed because when I use fglrxinfo, I get Error: unable to open display (null)
[03:22] <Mobil> Can anyone help me out to see if I can get lubuntu to use the drivers ?
[03:23] <Unit193> Slightly weird way to do it:  lspci -v |grep vga -iA13|grep driver
[03:24] <Unit193> You have a GUI up now?
[03:24] <Mobil> Hi Unit193, I got the gui yes
[03:25] <Mobil> the output of that command is         Kernel driver in use: ohci_hcd
[03:25] <Mobil>         Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[03:26] <Mobil> I also was able to build the drivers using an ubuntu 12.04 way, but I think what messed it up is I may have applied a patch that didn't need to
[03:27] <Mobil> I'm scared of doing something like purge and reinstall fglrx, but I could try it if you suggest so
[03:27] <holstein> an ubuntu 12.04 way? what does that mean?
[03:27] <Mobil> one second, ill put up a link
[03:27] <Unit193> I'd hope that jockey would have pulled it in.  I take it you have searched about the compatibility of it?
[03:28] <holstein> what im saying is... lubuntu is ubuntu 12.04...
[03:28] <Unit193> I know fglrx wouldn't be as good for mine as what I'm currently using.
[03:28] <Mobil> http://askubuntu.com/questions/129597/how-do-i-fix-my-installation-of-ati-catalyst-video-drivers-in-12-04-lts
[03:28] <Mobil> I used the steps 1 by one in theis link
[03:35] <Mobil> Would that patch apply to 11.10?
[03:35] <Unit193> holstein: You got anything on this?  My go to is always jockey, or whatever cardinfo I can pickeup. :/
[03:36] <holstein> Mobil: i would undo whatever you did
[03:36] <Unit193> Mobil: If I'm reading that right, problem is the installer/driver isn't made for the 3.2 kernel, and I don't *think* oneiric had that one.
[03:36] <Mobil> holstein, aka sudo apt-get purge fglrx*?
[03:37] <holstein> whatever it takes to get back to stock
[03:37] <holstein> i would start from there.. i would also consider just going on to 12.04
[03:37] <holstein> its the LTS... no reason to stay with 11.10 really
[03:37] <Mobil> holstein, I'm using 11.10 because of xbmcbuntu...
[03:38] <holstein> might need to search around a bit then for drivers that are appropriate.. i would expect the LTS's to be the best supported by vendors
[03:38] <Mobil> holstein: I was trying to fix something with xbmc, it ended up installing nvidia drivers, uninstalling ati drivers, and killing my xorg
[03:40] <holstein> i remember dealing with something similar, and just going with different hardware
[03:41] <holstein> it can be implied that a different driver can really change the performance, and i suppose in a few cases, it can
[03:41] <holstein> for me, its only ever wasted and average of a day and half or time, and *barely* improved anything, if at all
[03:42] <Mobil> yes it does (as xbmc forum implies) which is why I tried to upgrade. For me it's wasted a day or so, and I have yet to be able to start xbmc again. Hopefully I didn't lose all my library or something more horrid ...
[03:42] <holstein> well, failure is always an options
[03:43] <holstein> i would just upgrade to 12.04, but im not up on why you cant run XBMC there
[03:45] <holstein> it in the repos from what i can find
[03:45] <Mobil> I'm sure you can. but from that link that, I thought all 12.04 ubuntu had AMD problems
[03:46] <holstein> try it live... i still use 10.04 around here
[03:47] <Mobil> holstein, Ya I just got another guy on the xbmc saying he had the exact same problem..xbmc installed nvidia drivers on his ati box :|
[03:47] <holstein> well... you installed the drivers
[03:47] <holstein> xbmc doesnt install drivers AFAIK
[03:47] <Mobil> well I did apt-get install xbmc
[03:48] <holstein> i would drop to the command line, and clean up what you did, and start from scratch, and maybe just accept a little bit of performance issues
[03:48] <holstein> i know it can be brutal in video playback
[03:48] <Mobil> holstein, Yes sir. Maybe I should just install 12.04 lubuntu and install xbmc seperately
[03:49] <holstein> well, you can load up a 12.04 live CD and install XBMC i bet, and see
[03:50] <Mobil> holstein, yea..I just gotta find a USB stick...does lubuntu 12.04 come barebone too? does it come with gnome,kde,w/e else that 11.10 uses?
[03:51] <jmarsden> Mobil: lubuntu starts with L for LXDE.  So it comes with LXDE.  Not GNOME, not KDE :)
[03:52] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu with LXDE Mobil
[03:52] <Mobil> jmarsden: sorry bro I'm a linux nub. I have no idea what the difference is, but thank you for clarifying
[03:52] <Mobil> holstein, I thought it was a stripped down version of ubuntu (which is why the xbmc people use it?)
[03:53] <jmarsden> Mobil: They are different "desktop environments".  So the way things look at feel and where the menus are etc. are different.
[03:53] <holstein> i didnt know XBMC were still making a distro
[03:53] <holstein> i thought it was just the application now, since the GUI kind of takes over the desktop anyways
[03:53] <jmarsden> And yes, the L in Lubuntu and in LXDE is L for Lightweight... which is why it doesn't use heavyweight things like GNOME and KDE :)
[03:53] <Mobil> http://xbmc.org/download/ (last icon to the right)
[03:54] <holstein> yeah, but im not going to download it
[03:54] <Mobil> that's what I downloaded
[03:54] <Mobil> :)
[03:54] <holstein> i would just add it to whatever distro i was using.. its in the repos for most of them
[04:31] <Mobil> holstein, I don't know if you're still there, but when I do apt-get purge fglrx*, the command also seems to remove xbmc. Any idea as to why?
[04:34] <jmarsden> Mobil: Probably xbmc depends on one or more fglrx* packages.  You can use apt-cache depends xbmc to see its dependencies.
[04:35] <Mobil> jmarsden, thanks ill try it now
[04:36] <Mobil> jmarsden, if I get this output from dkms status
[04:36] <Mobil> dkms status
[04:36] <Mobil> crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-16-generic, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:36] <Mobil> does that mean I have amd drivers installed?
[04:37] <jmarsden> Looks like it to me, but that's not something I am expert in.
[04:41] <Mobil> yeah this is really weird. I uninstalled the amd drivers and rebooted. I don't understand how they are still there
[04:46] <jmarsden> Well, dkms is showing you kernel modules built locally on your system... not files directly added by installed packages.
[04:47] <jmarsden> You can try    dkms remove crystalhd
[04:47] <jmarsden> for example, to remove that.
[04:48] <jmarsden> Mobil: Maybe dkms remove crystalhd --all      # to remove it from both listed kernels at once.
[04:49] <Mobil> jmarsden, yea It's alright xbmc is working somehow after removing the amd drivers
[04:50] <jmarsden> Mobil: OK, glad you got it working.
[04:51] <Mobil> jmarsden, I still think this is a bug with xbmc and lubuntu working together however
[04:51] <Mobil> or maybe xbmc
[04:52] <Mobil> the fact that I removed the amd drivers somehow..kept the amd drivrers is beyond me
[04:52] <jmarsden> If you are sure, please submit a bug report using ubuntu-bug, and be sure it includes a clear full set of all the steps needed to reproduce the bug
[04:55] <Mobil> jmarsden, well to my understanding, apt-get purge fglrx* should remove everything with fglrx correct?
[04:56] <Mobil> or everythign starting with fglrx
[04:56] <jmarsden> Mobil: That will remove all the packages whose names start with fglrx; but if that package used DMKS to locally compile some kernel modules, then whether those kernel modules are purged or not I don't know.
[04:57] <jmarsden> They probably should be, so you could consider that a bug; but if so it is probably a fglrx packaging bug, not an Lubuntu bug or an xbmc bug.
[04:58] <Mobil> When XBMC had installed nvidia drivers, that command actually removed all traces of fglrx...but then I couldn't reinstall fglrx after removing because the install file was complaining that fglrx was infact installed
[04:58] <Mobil> but running dkms status didnt show the crystalhd, 0.0~git20110715.fdd2f19,
[04:58] <Mobil> fglrx-updates, 8.911, 3.0.0-21-generic-pae, i686: installed
[04:58] <Mobil> disregard the crystalhd**
[05:01] <jmarsden> Mobil: So you might have found a bug in the fglrx installer, I suppose.  That's a closed source binary package, I think, so good luck on fixing it -- you're probably at the mercy of AMD for that :)
[05:01] <Mobil> Anyways this is a bug, but not sure what's causing it.  I'm sure of it though (another guy had this exact problem on xbmc channel), Ill just try to report it when I get some time. Ya AMD..no kidding....
[05:02] <Mobil> jmarsden, how are nvidia driver support for linux?
[05:02] <bioterror> jmarsden, what would Linus do :D
[05:02] <Mobil> I might just go grab a low cost nvidia card for my htpc ..
[05:02] <jmarsden> bioterror: RMS would rewrite the driver from scratch and make in militantly free software ... but I'm not going to do that :)
[05:02] <bioterror> jmarsden, linus just raises his middle finger and says something nasty
[05:03] <Mobil> wow now that's warrior right there
[05:04] <jmarsden> Mobil: I'm not much of a 3D gamer; I have a very low cost Radeon in this desktop that gets used with fglrx for light 3D CAD stuff in connection with Reprap sometimes, but that's about as much 3D as I do on Linux.
[05:05] <Mobil> jmarsden, well actually the E-350 APU was going to be used for a nas server/htpc
[05:05] <Mobil> jmarsden, so if Nvidia ahs better support, Ill just got grab a 40 dollar card and toss it in there and forget about the adm driver headaches
[05:06] <bioterror> I'm using amd's opensource drivers
[05:06] <bioterror> I can play some games with it
[05:06] <jmarsden> Mobil, if you already have it working, why switch? Just be happy and use it the way it is!
[05:09] <Mobil> jmarsden, if it took me 2 days to install a graphics driver, and I'm new to linux, and I'm obviously coming from windows which does the same thing in 3 minutes, I would pay the money for the compatibility
[05:10] <jmarsden> Valid comment if you are in the business of building hundreds of machines.  But I don't think you are.  So the 2 days are already gone,m you cannot get them back.  SO why waste more time going shopping for a new video card??!
[05:12] <Mobil> jmarsden, and let me clarify "new". I'm not really new, but I know how to start a program, install stuff on it and presumably remove em. I maintain a bunch of linux servers at work, and the fedora installs are Amazing..granted I never had to install video drivers, but still
[05:14] <Mobil> but lubuntu really attracted me. I really like it..you start with a barebone distro and build whatever you want from there
[05:15] <jmarsden> Glad you like it :)  3D closed source drivers from nVidia and AMD are both the "dirty" part of Linux -- normal Linux people can't see the code, can't modify it, can't fix bugs in them.  So seeing issues you are having with those as indicative of Linux as a whole is a bad idea.    It's done.  You have a working machine now.  Celebrate your success, and be happy -- don't rush out to change it
[05:15] <jmarsden>  for a new video card, now it works :)
[05:24] <Mobil> jmarsden, I thought AMD made their drivers open source
[05:25] <jmarsden> I don't think the current fglrx is open source.  The one I have here (on Ubuntu 10.04.3) is definitely not open source.
[05:27] <Mobil> interesting...a couple of years ago there was a big fuss "ohh amd went open sauce, etc etc"
[05:27] <Mobil> maybe it was something else
[05:28] <kanliot> the open source ati driver has been getting better and better
[05:29] <kanliot> but it's not done by ati
[05:30] <Mobil> I see
[05:32] <Mobil> http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Open-Sources-Radeon-HD-7000-Driver-259876.shtml
[05:32] <Mobil> so this is what then?
[05:33] <kanliot> huh, maybe they do a open source driver also, like in addition
[05:33] <kanliot> my memory clearly is faulty
[05:35] <kanliot> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonhd_four&num=1
[05:35] <kanliot> anyhow i give up
[05:36] <jmarsden> I think they are opening up the very newest chipsets and slowly releasing info (but not necessarily code) for older Radeon chipsets.
[05:38] <Mobil> jmarsden, that's what the rave was all about the fact that AMD is going open source
[05:39] <Mobil> jmarsden, hopefully it's true, and linux can get proper drivers
[05:39] <jmarsden> RIght.  But "going" and "got there already" is not the same thing at all.
[05:40] <Mobil> jmarsden, haha yeah
[05:56] <justin_> i'm trying to play a dvd and am not able too :(
[05:56] <justin_> so when i put it in a removable media box pops up and i have an option to open it with vlc
[05:57] <justin_> when i choose that option, vlc comes up but nothing plays
[06:00] <Unit193> justin_: Do you have libdvdcss? I'd bet not.
[06:00] <Unit193> !medibuntu
[06:01] <justin_> so then sudo apt-get install libdvdcss?
[06:02] <justin_> do i have to add a medibuntu repository or something and then install libdvdcss?
[06:02] <Unit193> It's not in the default repos, but you can either add a repo, or use a script provided by libdvdread4 to download the file from that repo.
[06:10] <justin_> ok so i added that repo and then downloaded libdvdcss
[06:12] <justin_> its still not working, but when i select my dvd from vlc i get this http://pastebin.com/DiHhq0kY
[06:13] <justin_> in a logbox thing
[06:13] <justin_> idk if that helps or not
[06:17] <kanliot> are you sure you downloaded libvdvdcss?  did you restart vlc?
[06:18] <kanliot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs/
[06:18] <kanliot> pleaes follow those steps
[06:22] <justin_> yes
[06:22] <justin_> would you like me to post my output from downloading libvdvdcsss?
[06:23] <kanliot> did you mount the dvd?
[06:23] <justin_> oh wait is it, libdvdcss or libvdvdcss?
[06:23] <justin_> because i downloaded libdvdcss
[06:23] <kanliot> no that's my mistake
[06:23] <justin_> idk, how can i tell?
[06:24] <kanliot> mount it with pcmanfm
[06:24] <kanliot> need more help?
[06:24] <kanliot> i can explain that also
[06:24] <Unit193> Also, you may want to check the error message in vlc, it has a messages area.
[06:24] <kanliot> Unit193, he pastebinned his error already
[06:24] <kanliot> look above
[06:25] <Unit193> Ah, monitor went to insanely low setting, must have been when.
[06:28] <kanliot> actually i think i told him wrong again
[06:28] <kanliot> justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again
[06:31] <mi3> I am getting this when I try to go to desktop http://imagebin.org/218594 and pcmanfm is not opening , I am on lxde, any suggestions ?
[06:32] <kanliot> ha
[06:32] <kanliot> this si arch aint it
[06:32] <kanliot> ?
[06:33] <kanliot> that window stuff is normal when you don't ahve a background
[06:33] <kanliot> no idea why pcmanfm isn't workin
[06:34] <mi3> hmm
[06:34] <justin_> kanliot, can you go into some detail on how exactly to mount in in pcmanfm?
[06:34] <kanliot> justin see my last comment
[06:34] <kanliot> actually i think i told him wrong again
[06:34] <kanliot>  justin_, go to open disk, then theres a drop down blox next to "disc device" select /dev/sr0 and try again
[06:34] <kanliot> ^that comment
[06:38] <justin_> um, when i right click on the disk i get two options, mount volume and eject removable media
[06:38] <kanliot> sorry my bad
[06:38] <justin_> the "mount volume" option is gray and i can't click it
[06:38] <kanliot> open disk is inside vlc, on the menu
[06:38] <kanliot> i think on the file menu
[06:40] <justin_> um, so media > open disc > play
[06:40] <justin_> and thats when i get that error message i showed earlier
[06:41] <Unit193> mi3: #archlinux, if it isn't Lubuntu, it's not supported here.
[06:41] <kanliot> did you select /dev/sr0?
[06:41] <mi3> but its lxde, right ?
[06:41] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, this only supports Lubuntu, #lxde supports lxde.
[06:42] <mi3> ok.
[06:43] <justin_> oh no i didn't
[06:43] <justin_> and that apparently was the problem lol
[06:43] <justin_> thank you guys
[06:43] <kanliot> :)
[06:51] <mi3> kanliot: you know you can be polite, no need to tell me "please please be serious" ok.
[06:53] <kanliot> if you want to argue with a channel op
[06:53] <kanliot> then please dont accept my help
[06:53] <kanliot> or what i thougt was a friendly advice
[06:53] <mi3> err he is a channel op ?
[06:54] <mi3> :O
[06:54] <mi3> ok.
[13:33] <andree>  hello @ll, what can I check on a machine getting a startup crash message on colord ? (lubuntu recently upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04)
[14:35] <vanfanel_> hi there
[14:35] <vanfanel_> is there an USB-HDD image of Lubuntu 12.04?
[14:35] <vanfanel_> My old Amilo Pi won't boot hybrid mode isos from USB stick
[14:36] <vanfanel_> and it's cd rom reader is broken
[14:39] <vanfanel_> ehm... hello?
[17:28] <smile-busy> bye :)
[18:19] <kvarley> What's the easiest window tiling application for LUbuntu?
[18:20] <bioterror> what do you mean?
[18:20] <wxl> there are "apps" for that?
[18:20] <kvarley> As in you drag the window to the left side of the screen and it fills the left half of the screen.
[18:20] <wxl> or do you mean which window manager?
[18:20] <bioterror> ahhh
[18:21] <bioterror> I dunno, I use windows 7 and gnome 3 :D
[18:30] <wxl> kvarley: do you still out there?
[18:30] <kvarley> wxl: Do I still what?
[18:30] <wxl> kvarley: you asked a question, which i, in turn, asked a question about.
[18:31] <kvarley> wxl: Oh, sorry. I don't mean window manager no. There are apps for it yes, pywo is one I have tried
[18:31] <wxl> kvarley: i have had no experience with such apps, but there are more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#Third_party_tiling_applications_on_Xorg
[18:33] <wxl> kvarley: ctrlwm looks promising especially if you want easy and want to avoid python https://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php?content=114565
[18:34] <bioterror> wxl, openbox can do that kind of magic
[18:34] <kvarley> thanks wxl I'll try  it
[18:34] <bioterror> you can keybind it to move window somewhere and resize it
[18:35] <kvarley> If this works then I'll be able to run lubuntu full-time on my new system
[18:35] <bioterror> ofcoutse it works
[18:36] <bioterror> when I used openbox, I used to have different kind of configurations for windows
[18:36] <bioterror> http://urukrama.wordpress.com/2011/10/30/manual-tiling-in-openbox/ gives you some hints for example how you do it