[00:24] <claydoh> mmm kwin compositing....yum
[00:24] <claydoh> thanks for the rc packages, guys!
[00:25] <stdin> yeah, kwin composite is rather nice
[00:28] <yuriy> oh yeah, got to try it and see what it looks like without debugging symbols
[00:30] <yuriy> is it safe to use the upgrader feisty->gutsy yet?
[00:31] <stdin> it's been safe for a while, just enable -proposed and should be smooth
[00:31] <yuriy> k, i held off upgrading at first because of the issues, and haven't gotten around to it since, so i'll probably set it off tonight
[00:34] <stdin> worked well when I upgraded my desktop
[00:34] <stdin> and it's been from dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy
[02:34] <stdin> Riddell: kdepim-kde4 build-deps on libplasma-dev, but kdebase-workspace didn't make a libplasma-dev  with libplasma1
[04:20] <nixternal> http://vorian.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/snapshot3.png
[04:20] <nixternal> hey everyone, check out what vorian did ^^ :p
[04:20] <nixternal> that is awesome!
[04:20] <vorian> damn you nixternal !!!!!!!!!!!
[04:20] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:20]  * vorian hides
[04:20] <nixternal> dude, that is the craziest thing I have ever seen
[04:20] <nixternal> I would have expected a crazy crash and mess
[04:21] <Hobbsee> looks nice
[04:21] <nixternal> you get what it is though Hobbsee?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:21] <nixternal> that is insane
[04:21] <Hobbsee> kde4 with kde3 panel inside it
[04:21] <nixternal> I would have expected a mess
[04:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that is KDE 4 and KDE 3.5.8 running simultaneously
[04:21] <nixternal> he forgot to edit his startkde file in the svn build
[04:21] <Tm_T> lovely
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hah.  classy
[04:22] <Tm_T> vorian: AAAHHHAHAHAHA!
[04:22]  * Tm_T hides
[04:22] <nixternal> lol
[04:22]  * vorian cries
[04:22] <nixternal> hehehe
[04:22] <nixternal> vorian: that is a testament at just how rock solid KDE is
[04:22] <Tm_T> vorian: now I'm not alone
[04:22] <vorian> absolutely
[04:22] <nixternal> gnome would have barfed and turned into windows 95
[04:22] <nixternal> Tm_T: you did that too?
[04:23] <vorian> *makes a new .desktop entry*
[04:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: not exactly same, though I had KDE3 components too all over the place
[04:23] <nixternal> I did it last month on my desktop and it hosered my stuff up pretty good
[04:24] <Tm_T> nixternal: somehow Kubuntu defaults gone on in KDE4
[04:24] <Tm_T> "oo goody, we need this and that oooo it's only in KDE3"
[04:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wait. When was gnome not windows 95 ?
[04:38]  * ScottK is thinking Windows 95 had more options.
[04:38]  * DaSkreech cracks up
[04:40] <nixternal> hahahaha, nice!
[04:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: but hey, that would just confuse users
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Always give the user options
[04:41] <DaSkreech> ALWAYS
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Like Allow or deny ?
[04:41]  * ScottK understands some consider choice to be bad.  Some of us consider freedom to be good (which is why we use free software).
[04:42]  * ScottK really doesn't understand Gnome at all.
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Well we don't really :)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ScottK: install Gobuntu
[04:42] <vorian> *crosses fingers*
[04:42]  * DaSkreech crosses legs
[04:42] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I like it to actually work.
[04:43]  * Hobbsee isnt minding gnome much
[04:43] <ScottK> Actually, on my laptop I'd lose wireless and modem, but it'd work wired just fine.
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I just can't get used to not having Alt+ctrl+A
[04:43] <ScottK> I suspect my desktop would run it without issue.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: which does?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Oh! Still use KDE much ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> no, i dont have it installed
[04:45] <Hobbsee> what does it do?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> When a taskbar entru is requesting your attention it brings it to the front
[04:45] <DaSkreech> I can't live with out it now
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:45] <DaSkreech> it actually hurts my head when it doesn't work
[04:46] <DaSkreech> If you are blinking WHY isn't there a way for me to call You?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I've been sitting at the keyboard in Vista hitting them for a few seconds before I opened control panel to see if I disabled it before it suddenly occurred to me that not all computers come with that key combo
[04:47]  * ScottK makes note of that one.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> seriously the next time something flashes just press alt+ctrl+A
[04:48] <DaSkreech> in a week you will do it without thinking about it
[04:48] <DaSkreech> in a month it's hardwired into your genes
[04:48] <DaSkreech> you will pass it on to your forked processes
[04:48] <DaSkreech> ScottK: konversation ?
[04:49] <ScottK> Yes, why?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> ScottK: you have notifications on?
[04:49] <ScottK> As a rule no, but alt+ctrl+A visibly marks one away (as I discovered when I was trying to figure out what it did).
[04:52] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> turn on notifications for someone saying your name -> flash taskbar entry
[04:52] <DaSkreech> I have it with the OSD as well but that's not here or there
[04:54] <DaSkreech> then you can just do work and if anyone says your name alt+ctrl+A pops it up and yo ucan answer alt+F3 N and back to work
[04:56] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee_ The sequel :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee_> indeed!
[05:08] <yuriy> while upgrading to gutsy: "could not install 'debconf'"... subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped
[05:08] <yuriy> same thing for x11-common
[05:12] <yuriy> now it seems to be stuck on "preparing to configure libaa1"
[05:12] <yuriy> which it probably can't do because it didn't install debconf
[05:13] <yuriy> and the show/hide terminal button is broken
[05:13]  * Hobbsee wonders why debconf segfaulted.
[05:19]  * yuriy kills the upgrader, kills all adept processes, does dpkgs --configure -a, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, and crosses fingers
[05:30]  * ScottK has done it with apt.
[06:36] <yuriy> well that was far from pretty, but my desktop is finally on gutsy
[07:36] <harolddong> are we supposed to able to move the plasmoids in the rc?
[07:37] <Tm_T> who knows
[07:37] <harolddong> well are other finding that they aren't able to move them?
[07:37] <harolddong> *other people
[07:39] <Tm_T> harolddong: sorry, I haven't compiled it (yet)
[07:39] <harolddong> oh so I take it that all the rc stuff isnt in the repos yet even thought there'sa link on the kubuntu page?
[07:41] <Tm_T> no, I don't use those packages
[07:41] <harolddong> just wondering because some screnshots popping up of rc1 look very different than what I've setup on my system from the repos
[07:41] <harolddong> I'm a little confused
[07:42] <harolddong> what's a better way to get it then
[07:42] <harolddong> right from the tarballs?
[07:42] <Tm_T> packages are best way
[07:42] <harolddong> you mean from the main kde site?
[07:43] <Tm_T> harolddong: no, the way you got it
[07:43] <Tm_T> (as instructed in kubuntu.org)
[07:43] <harolddong> then why does it still seem so wonky
[07:43] <harolddong> I thought this was supposed to be pretty ironed out
[07:44] <Tm_T> mm, well, apps are still beta
[07:44] <Tm_T> the underlying system is RC
[07:44] <harolddong> plasma is a problem
[07:44] <Tm_T> and that's more app layer
[07:45] <harolddong> if I open a new applet I can'tclose it over move it at all
[07:45] <harolddong> but apparently that's not supposed to an issue in the rc
[07:45] <Tm_T> I haven't really got any working applet thus far, though my last experience is from first beta or so
[07:46] <harolddong> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=50876&d=1195618969
[07:46] <harolddong> like
[07:46] <harolddong> is THAT the RC
[07:46] <harolddong> cause that's not what it looks like in kubuntu
[07:46] <harolddong> it still has that useless panel
[07:47] <harolddong> instead of a plasmoid panel
[07:47] <Tm_T> sorry, no idea
[07:53] <Tm_T> ERM!
[08:05] <Captain_Redbeard> Good morning guys
[08:05] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, do we know something new about the KDE4 versions? :)
[08:20] <Tm_T> Captain_Redbeard: RC1 platform, Beta5 apps
[08:22] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, Oh? So basically they have done nothing to the platform, fallen behind schedule even more and decided to call it RC1? :O
[08:22] <Tm_T> Captain_Redbeard: no
[08:24] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, no?
[08:28] <Tm_T> just failure in versioning
[08:29] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, how do you mean?
[08:29] <Tm_T> should be RC2 I'd say (while apps are still beta)
[08:59] <buz> stdin: any plans to also package plasma-playground?
[09:03]  * Jucato stretches... then waves to everyone
[09:11]  * Nightrose waves to Jucato
[09:11]  * buz wonders if there is an easy way to install hardy on a partition without having to reboot
[09:12] <Jucato> hi Nightrose :)
[09:18] <buz> mhh if i could use a real partition as virtualbox device it would work
[09:18] <buz> qemu can do that :P
[10:00] <Riddell> stdin: kdepim needs the new kdebase-workspace, sorry
[10:05] <buz> humm the battery level plasmoid says no battery installed but guidance-power-manager lists it just fine
[10:08] <buz> i have no idea why, but stdin's poppler package are a LOT faster than the ones i had before
[10:24] <Jucato> what would be the difference between using qt-copy from svn and using our own qt4 packages?
[10:24] <Tm_T> no real difference should be
[10:24] <Jucato> ok
[10:25] <Tm_T> IIRC
[10:25] <Tm_T> I might be wrong though ;)
[10:25] <Jucato> hm.. ok :)
[10:27] <Tm_T> Jucato: see what patches are left
[10:27] <Tm_T> left to be enabled
[10:27] <Tm_T> if none, no difference
[10:27] <Jucato> ah so our qt4 package is actually based on qt-copy?
[10:32] <Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches
[10:32] <Tm_T> (usually something that will be in next qt release)
[10:33] <Tm_T> feel free to correct me if needed
[10:33] <Jucato> I'm the one asking, so I can't correct :)
[10:33]  * Jucato doesn't know
[10:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: then consider it as truth until proven otherwise ;)
[10:51]  * Hobbsee ponders installing kde4.
[10:51] <Riddell> do it
[10:51] <Riddell> it's been my default desktop for a whole day now
[10:51] <Hobbsee> and how many times has it crashed?
[10:51] <Riddell> no more than KDE 3 has
[10:52] <Tm_T> heh
[10:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: what I said about Qt, true?
[10:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: what did you say?
[10:55] <Tm_T> 1232 < Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do i install?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> and does it just work?
[10:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: see kubuntu.org
[10:55] <Riddell> pretty much, kdm might not install properly and you need to copy the xsession by hand
[10:55] <Riddell> Tm_T: qy-copy is indeed qt plus patches
[10:56] <Riddell> qt-copy
[10:56] <Hobbsee> i'm using gdm, logically
[10:56] <Riddell> our qt is also qt plus patches, there shouldn't be much difference
[10:57] <Tm_T> thought so
[10:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: and those patches are from/to upstream eventually, right?
[10:58] <Riddell> Tm_T: mostly yes
[10:58] <Tm_T> yay, my head isn't totally soften then
[10:59]  * Tm_T has more and more medication
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: E: Couldn't find package kdebase-dev-kde4
[11:00] <Hobbsee> (hardy)
[11:00] <Riddell> oh, hardy
[11:00] <Riddell> it hasn't compiled on hardy yet
[11:00] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:00] <Hobbsee> why not?
[11:00] <Riddell> dunno, buildds seem busy, probably a debian import going on
[11:01] <Hobbsee> which hasnt built yet?
[11:01] <Riddell> kde4libs
[11:01] <Riddell> and thus everything else
[11:01] <Hobbsee> oh, i see
[11:02] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:02] <Tm_T> heh
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i'ts done on i386
[11:04] <Riddell> yes, hopefully amd64 will follow
[11:04]  * Hobbsee helps it along a bit
[11:05] <Tm_T> push or kick?
[11:05] <Tm_T> or pointy click?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> either.
[11:05]  * Tm_T goes poetic
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that should solve our problem, at least for a bit.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> builds arent that busy.  at least the ones that are actually working
[11:11] <Riddell> thanks
[11:15] <Hobbsee> no problem
[13:31] <_buz> is this just placebo or is kde4 in some cases a lot faster
[13:32] <Riddell> it ought to be faster
[13:32] <Riddell> qt 4 is faster
[13:34] <_buz> yaeh i heard that ;)
[13:34] <_buz> now if only i could figure out how to get kwin_composite to get some real bling :)
[13:35]  * Hobbsee ponders installing it
[13:36] <_buz> i assume its not in stdin's packages?
[13:36] <Riddell> it should be
[13:36] <Riddell> although I can't say for sure since it wouldn't work on this machine
[13:38] <_buz> how would i activate it?
[13:39] <_buz> googled before, didnt find anything
[13:39] <Riddell> no idea, as I say I can't test it
[13:39] <Jucato> right-click on titlebar -> Configure Window Behavior afaik
[13:43] <Riddell> mm, if I tell it to use xrender it sort of works
[13:44] <_buz> it complains i have no compositing but beryl runs on this machine
[13:44] <_buz> maybe it cant be used on :1 only on :0
[13:45] <_buz> and the complaint is only logged to stdout, not very obvious :P
[13:45] <Jucato> perhaps it wasn't built w/ compositing enabled?
[13:46] <Riddell> I doubt compositing works on xephyr if that's what you're using
[13:47] <Jucato> oh yeah it wouldn't work if run in xephyr
[13:52] <buz> mhh compiz works, kwin_composite doesnt seem to
[14:00] <DaSkreech> seele: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2049233127_b8c85ded41_m.jpg
[14:00] <Serega> greetings
[14:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bigger version in http://www.flickr.com/photos/anuragp/2049233127/ :)
[14:01] <Jucato> it's from pradeepto
[14:01] <DaSkreech> I know it's a nice Pic
[14:02] <DaSkreech> I love the idea it falls right into wade's mindset
[14:02]  * Jucato remembers the last time seele's pic was put up...
[14:02]  * DaSkreech doesnt
[14:03] <stdin> good... er afternoon
[14:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: search for the Dot article on seele's behindkde interview
[14:03] <Jucato> hi stdin
[14:03] <stdin> hey Jucato
[14:03] <Jucato> stdin: was kdebase built with compositing enabled? (not sure how to check though)
[14:03] <Jucato> (rc1)
[14:04] <jpatrick> build log?
[14:04] <Jucato> it's stdin's package anyway, I think :)
[14:04] <stdin> hmm, not sure
[14:04] <stdin> it should be
[14:04] <stdin> kwin will also try to detect if it can use OpenGL and disable it if it can't
[14:04] <Jucato> iirc last time I built kde from svn and didn't have xrender-dev and xdamage-dev installed, it didn't have compositing.. no nice effects.. not sure if those 2 are the right packages
[14:07] <stdin> Jucato: well it build-deps on those and libxcomposite-dev, so I guess cmake should have enabled it
[14:07] <Jucato> aho k
[14:07] <Jucato> ah ok
[14:09] <DaSkreech> Jucato: 2006?
[14:10] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://dot.kde.org/1156972507/
[14:10] <jpatrick> kdebase-kde4 cmake log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45364/
[14:11] <DaSkreech> Oh you wanted me to read that page?
[14:12] <DaSkreech> ah I see
[14:13] <seele> DaSkreech: yeah, pradeepto sent me the link yesterday
[14:14] <Jucato> hi seele! :)
[14:14] <seele> hihi Jucato
[14:15]  * seele yawns
[14:15] <seele> up too late last night
[14:15] <Jucato> hehe ;)
[14:16] <Jucato> must have had some fun :)
[14:16] <DaSkreech> compensate by not being up to early :)
[14:17]  * Serega ran into some big issue :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117664 Oops
[14:17] <ubotu> KDE bug 117664 in general "Kaffeine needs restart after changing playback engine" [Normal,New]
[14:20] <Riddell> Serega: do you know if there's a kde 4 version of kaffeine in the works?
[14:21] <Serega> Riddell: no, I don't
[14:21] <jpatrick> iirc, sebas said he'd do a port
[14:23] <Serega> Riddell: there is no mention about KDE4 on homesite, at least
[14:24] <lnxkde> weeeeeeeee
[14:24] <lnxkde> thankx guys for the KDE 4 rc1 packages
[14:24] <lnxkde> "_
[14:24] <lnxkde> :)
[14:24] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: :-)
[14:24] <lnxkde> 95% downloaded right now
[14:24] <lnxkde> :)
[14:24] <DaSkreech> Now hustle over to #kde and thank them for the KDE 4
[14:25] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: kde-dev
[14:25] <lnxkde> ;)
[14:25] <lnxkde> or kde4-dev
[14:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was about to say :)
[14:26] <lnxkde> it says chanel mode secret
[14:26] <lnxkde> ...
[14:26]  * DaSkreech plays Bond theme
[14:26] <vorian> #kde4-devel
[14:26] <lnxkde> lol
[14:26] <lnxkde> that was all
[14:26] <vorian> :)
[14:28]  * lnxkde runs naked from kubuntu-devel to kde4-devel and backwards
[14:29] <bddebian> Heya
[14:30] <lnxkde> back
[14:30] <vorian> which branch is kde4addons from?
[14:31] <Jucato> trunk most probably
[14:31]  * Jucato wonders why lnxkde had to leave one room to enter another room..
[14:32] <lnxkde> no I was just login back in to kde4
[14:32] <lnxkde> :D
[14:33] <lnxkde> brb
[14:34] <lnxkde> playing with my system
[14:37] <stdin> hehe, I knew it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-November/022704.html
[14:38] <Hobbsee> it'd be really nice if teams could have sub ppa-s.
[14:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[14:39] <Jucato> sub ppa?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> as in, production, and random miscellanea, from teh same tiem
[14:39] <Hobbsee> er, same team
[14:40] <Jucato> ah
[14:40] <Jucato> currently kubuntu-team only has one?
[14:40] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:40]  * Jucato wonders if a new LP account for that could be created just for that
[14:41] <Hobbsee> ~kubuntu-members-kde4
[14:41] <Jucato> kubuntu-team-misc.. just for the ppa hehehe :)
[14:41] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  that's not a bad idea.
[14:41] <Hobbsee> pity we've already published the URL and all.
[14:41] <Hobbsee> or kubuntu-members-production
[14:42] <Hobbsee> i guess it would only be for kde4.
[14:42] <lnxkde> someone here when doing about in konqueror and other kde4 rc programs it says it is beta 4 and not rc1....?
[14:43] <Jucato> what version # is it saying specifically? 0.3x.x?
[14:43] <lnxkde> 3,96.00 (KDE 4.0 Beta4)
[14:43] <lnxkde> that says
[14:44] <Jucato> the Beta4 might be an upstream error. the version # is correct though
[14:44] <Jucato> 3.96 is rc1
[14:44] <lnxkde> :)
[14:45] <stdin> I'd forgotten I'l put konversation, smplayer etc on my ppa. hope people like the new packages :p
[14:45]  * Hobbsee registers the team
[14:45] <Hobbsee> stdin: you know, you could just apply by email.
[14:46] <Jucato> stdin: which version of konvi?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> particularly seeing as we're not going to have a meeting this week
[14:46] <Jucato> stdin: yeah.. *someone* already did :)
[14:46] <stdin> Jucato: 1.0.2~svn20071012-0 :)
[14:46] <Jucato> koolious!
[14:47] <stdin> ok, if you see a message in kubuntu-devel@ with the subject "Please, oh come on, lemme in"  you know who it's from
[14:48] <Jucato> heh
[14:48] <Tm_T> stdin: you?
[14:49] <stdin> probably, as soon as I get around to writing it :p
[14:50] <stdin> in about 20~mins the new kdebase-workspace should be built
[14:50] <stdin> then I'll requeue kdepim-kde3
[14:50] <stdin> *4
[14:53] <jetsaredim> kde4-rc1 error: http://dpaste.com/25517/
[14:53] <stdin> so you didn't remove all the old packages then
[14:54] <stdin> !brokenkde4 | jetsaredim
[14:54] <ubotu> jetsaredim: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[14:55] <jetsaredim> stdin: pretty sure i did
[14:55] <jetsaredim> http://dpaste.com/25518/
[14:56] <stdin> jetsaredim: you can't have kde4multimedia-data is a kde beta package
[14:56] <stdin> jetsaredim: just add those 3 packages to the end of the apt-get line
[14:56] <stdin> *5 packages
[14:57] <stdin> what you need to do is remove all the kde4 packages and then install the new ones on a "clean" system
[14:57] <jetsaredim> then re-try the kdelibs5 install?
[14:58] <stdin> no, remove it all, then run the apt-get command from the announcement
[14:59] <jetsaredim> yea
[14:59] <jetsaredim> that's what i mean
[14:59] <jetsaredim> that seems to have worked
[14:59] <jetsaredim> and that should give me a working kde4 install?
[14:59] <stdin> should give you no more trouble
[14:59] <jetsaredim> i have been trying to follow the kde4 stuff since beta1 and never have been able to get a usable window manager
[15:38] <sebas> jpatrick: I'm not porting kaffeine
[15:39] <sebas> Never planned, won't do.
[15:39] <sebas> I hope something like codeine, based on Phonon will pop up.
[15:39] <Jucato> isn't codeine ported already? or at least there was news of it being ported long ago
[15:39] <Jucato> and being just called "video player"
[15:40] <\sh> kaffeine, codeine ... what's next heroine?
[15:40] <Jucato> oh and hi sebas! :)
[15:40] <Tm_T> no, Jucatine!
[15:40]  * Tm_T hides
[15:40] <Jucato> sebas: couldn't have pradeepto chosen a less "menacing" pic of you? :)
[15:40] <Jucato> that sounds like Ovaltine...
[15:43] <jpatrick> sebas: ah, ok, must of been someone else
[15:44] <sebas> Jucato: There are none :)
[15:44] <Jucato> hahah :)
[15:51] <buz> too bad i really think kaffeine is the best of the current media players
[15:51] <buz> largely because you can have the controls during fullscreen
[15:51] <Jucato> (um....)
[15:51] <Jucato> so does kplayer and kmplayer :)
[15:51] <Jucato> (haven't tried smplayer or codeine)
[15:54] <buz> well i havent used those in a long time :)
[15:54] <buz> for me the alternative is mplayer or vlc :)
[15:55] <Jucato> mplayer + kde frontends = kplayer/kmplayer :)
[15:55] <Jucato> vlc is going the way of qt afaik
[15:56] <stdin> yeah, but the qt4 interface is totally broken last time I compiled it
[15:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: false
[15:56] <Tm_T> Kmplayer = mplayer/gst/xine + KDE-frontend
[15:57] <Tm_T> not just mplayer
[15:57] <Jucato> heh ok fine
[15:57] <jpatrick> kmplayer does not depend on mplayer
[15:58] <Tm_T> yup
[15:58] <Jucato> (missed my point but anyway...)
[15:59] <mikkael> is it just me or is it impossible to move those plasmoids on kubuntus rc ?
[15:59] <mikkael> (of kde4)
[16:00] <Tm_T> some others claim too
[16:00] <jpatrick> I can make them spin around only
[16:02] <mikkael> is there a package-manager like adept for kde4 yet ?
[16:02] <stdin> uhh, kdebase-workspace is taking forever to build
[16:02] <Jucato> mikkael: someone told me that there was work being done  on kpackage again, but so far none
[16:03] <mikkael> stdin: are you updating your packages ?
[16:04] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, kdepim-kde4 needs a -dev package that wan't built
[16:04] <Tm_T> wan wan
[16:06] <stdin> been building for >1 hour and it's at 10%
[16:07] <mikkael> uh oh :)
[16:07] <stdin> took about 40mins last time
[16:07] <rouzic> hi all
[16:09] <Jucato> elow
[16:13] <rouzic> i find a bug in kopete 0.12.7 :/
[16:15] <Tm_T> yes?
[16:16] <rouzic> Tm_T: yes, i can't use kopete normally :(
[16:17] <Tm_T> and bug is...
[16:17] <rouzic> wait
[16:17] <rouzic> I repor in bugs.kde http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152604
[16:17] <ubotu> KDE bug 152604 in Now Listening Plugin "Kopete crashes sometimes without a reason and I think is problem of the "Now listening" plugin." [Crash,Unconfirmed]
[16:17] <Tm_T> rouzic: what other plugins used?
[16:18] <rouzic> Tm_T: notes, booksmarks and netmeeting
[16:18] <Tm_T> rouzic: umm ok
[16:19] <Tm_T> rouzic: install kdenetwork-dbg
[16:19] <mikkael> stdin: does kde-style-qtcurve work on your install as expected ?
[16:19] <rouzic> Tm right :)
[16:19] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, using it now
[16:19] <Tm_T> rouzic: when it crashes next time, paste trace to bug report
[16:19] <mikkael> stdin: can you change it's default look ?
[16:20] <rouzic> Tm_T: :)
[16:20] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, from the Configure button
[16:21] <mikkael> stdin: i installed your package of qtcurve, but still: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/135847
[16:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135847 in kde-style-qtcurve "kde style qtcurve doesnt apply changes" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:22] <stdin> mikkael: changes apply fine with my install, I've just switched between 3 or 4 while we were talking
[16:23] <mikkael> stdin: do you have any idea how i could find out why this is not working on here ?
[16:24] <stdin> mikkael: not sure, it worked from the start here, never needed to do anything
[16:26] <mikkael> if i run systemsettings in a terminal i dont get very useful output..only this line "systemsettings: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program".. but thats language-related i guess
[16:27] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, I get that to
[16:32] <rouzic> Tm_T: are you kubuntu's developer?
[16:32] <WaltzingAlong> its*
[16:33] <jpatrick> rouzic: we all are in our own way
[16:36] <rouzic> jpatrick: :)
[16:38] <rouzic> now kopete don't crashes.... i hate kopete xD
[16:38] <nixternal> mornin' you kubuhamsters!
[16:38] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!
[16:38] <rouzic> hi nixternal
[16:39] <nixternal> what a wonderful sleep that was...I woke up fresh, and ready to hack on something
[16:39] <Jucato> yay!
[16:39]  * Jucato puts "kubuntu" on nixternal's table :)
[16:39] <Jucato> that should be enough for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and whatever meals you take
[16:40] <Jucato> ... for a whole month :)
[16:40] <stdin> kdepim-kde4 building :)
[16:41] <yuriy> hmm
[16:41]  * yuriy puts kmail4 and akregator4 on nixternal's table
[16:42] <nixternal> why those?
[16:43] <yuriy> cause stdin reminded me of them, and akregator was pretty broken last i tried
[16:44] <nixternal> hrmm, I can't connect to kde svn this morning
[16:44] <Riddell> nixternal: the RC has killed half the servers
[16:45] <nixternal> Riddell: didn't even think of that...woohoo I guess!
[16:45] <Jucato> :)
[16:46] <rouzic> Hi Riddell :)
[16:46] <Riddell> hi rouzic
[16:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: this is rouzic, founder and admin of kubuntu-es.org
[16:48] <jpatrick> and edubuntu-es.org and xubuntu-es.org..
[16:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw, you put kicker-taskbar-compiz into main
[16:53] <Riddell> grr
[16:53] <Riddell> one day soyuz will do the universe thing by default because I keep forgetting
[16:54] <Riddell> hola rouzic
[16:54] <rouzic> hola Riddell, recuerdo haber hablado contigo en español en kubuntu-es
[16:55] <rouzic> :)
[16:56]  * Riddell no hablo espanol
[16:57] <rouzic> Riddell: escribir :/
[17:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: it all seems to be in universe, I probably caught it before it was published
[17:01] <nixternal> Riddell: if you don't speak spanish, then why did you just speak spanish :p
[17:02] <Riddell> I have enough hispanic in me to say that I don't speak Spanish, order a Fanta Lemon and say "hmm, I think I'll do this tomorrow"
[17:09] <buz> of course, ordering beer is more important than ordering fanta lemon :P
[17:09] <Riddell> I was 12 when I learnt that
[17:10] <buz> off to an early start indeed
[17:10] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[17:10] <nixternal> Riddell: that is classic!
[17:43] <bobesponja> hi
[17:44] <bobesponja> do you know if there is a way to make xephyr window size bigger?
[17:44] <rouzic> hi bobesponja
[17:44] <bobesponja> hi rouzic
[17:46] <nixternal> bobesponja: -screen 1024x768
[17:46] <bobesponja> nixternal: thanks a lot
[17:47] <nixternal> no problemo
[17:47] <nixternal> I could never get Xephyr to work for me when I started doing the KDE SVN builds this summer
[17:48] <fdoving> it is a bit slow.
[17:48] <fdoving> was when i tested it anyway.
[17:50] <fdoving> nixternal: as you're into kde4, which svn modules do you suggest fetching to get some impression of it all? - i have kdeartwork, kdebase, kdeedu, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdesdk,anything else i should have?
[17:50] <nixternal> kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdegames, extragear-plasma
[17:50] <nixternal> kdegames only because some of them are really fun to play
[17:51] <nixternal> so you have everything, just add the extragear/plasma to your list and you will be good to go
[17:51] <Jucato> oh I need both extragear plasma and playground plasma...
[17:52] <nixternal> forgot about playground plasma...but all it does is give you some plasmoids that don't work
[17:52] <Jucato> where's the fun when everything works? :)
[17:52] <nixternal> so true
[17:53] <nixternal> I think what I just said was so hypocritical of my ways...I always said I don't like stable :)
[17:53] <Jucato> heheh
[17:53] <Jucato> oh man, it's raining tigers and wolves here :(
[17:53] <nixternal> cats and dogs here, but it is supposed to turn over to snow within the next 5 hours
[17:54] <nixternal> that's what I can't wait for!
[17:54] <nixternal> Jucato: I swear, everyday it is raining there
[17:54] <nixternal> I am so used to northern America weather now, I forget the rest of the world their winters and summers are way different
[17:55] <fdoving> i guess northern america is somewhat similar to norwegian winters. snow and ice for 5months?
[17:55] <nixternal> about right
[17:56] <fdoving> bbl,tv while kde4 is compiling.
[17:58] <mhb> hi folks
[17:59] <jpatrick> hi mhb
[18:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[18:03] <bobesponja> is there kopete in the RC1 package? I can't seem to find it
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: did you get the kde4 packages built?
[18:03] <nixternal> bobesponja: no
[18:03] <nixternal> bobesponja: kopete in kde4 is far from ready
[18:03] <nixternal> err, I shouldn't say no, but I wouldn't count on it
[18:03] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: yeah, building more now
[18:03] <nixternal> if you get lucky, some days you can actually get it to build from svn
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[18:03] <nixternal> but I haven't been lucky as of yet
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[18:03] <stdin> all except kdeartwork so far
[18:04] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: are you building kdenetwork?
[18:04] <bobesponja> nixternal: it's just that they said it would be included in 4.0
[18:04] <bobesponja> by they I mean kopete devs
[18:04] <nixternal> hrmm, then if they said it, it should be there somewhere
[18:04] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: uploaded about 20mins ago
[18:05] <nixternal> bobesponja: kopete is under the kdenetwork branch, so make sure you installed that I guess
[18:05] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: and just got accepted into the queue
[18:06] <stdin> nixternal: kdenetwork was only just accepted
[18:06] <bobesponja> nixternal: I can't see it, I guess it hasn't been packaged
[18:06] <nixternal> bobesponja: then that would explain it :)
[18:07] <lnxkde> ok guys starneg thing
[18:07] <lnxkde> I got beta 4 installed...
[18:08] <lnxkde> if this is rc1 http://vizzzion.org/images/kde-4.0-post-rc1/dolphinconfig.jpg
[18:08] <bobesponja> anyway, the RC1 packages are great, it is usuable as a full session so congrats :)
[18:08] <stdin> if you mean the version of the apps says "(Beta 4)", that's a known upstream bug. as long as the version is 3.96.0 it's rc1
[18:08] <lnxkde> I got beta4
[18:08] <stdin> lnxkde: yep, read what I just said :)
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: it will be interesting if kdenetwork builds
[18:08] <lnxkde> stdin: no... I got the old violet panel..
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: can I have your ppa page?
[18:08] <stdin> lnxkde: ohh
[18:08] <lnxkde> I cant change wallpaper
[18:09] <lnxkde> and so on
[18:09] <lnxkde> I got beta 4 :/
[18:09] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: if you have the archive in your sources.list you'll have it when it's built
[18:09] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't
[18:10] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: that's the way then, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[18:10] <stdin> but make sure you remove ALL old KDE4 beta packages before installing the RC
[18:11] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[18:11] <lnxkde> stdin: yeah just noticed I had some old packeges I thinked I removed them
[18:11] <lnxkde> darn
[18:11] <lnxkde> :/
[18:11] <stdin> that's why I made...
[18:11] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[18:11] <ubotu> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[18:13] <CPrgmSwR2> E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:13] <lnxkde> ok done
[18:13] <lnxkde> srdin thankx
[18:14] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: "Add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list"
[18:14] <stdin> you missed the "deb" and "gutsy main"
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> like this?
[18:14] <stdin> exactly
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats what I have
[18:14] <stdin> you must have missed the deb
[18:15] <stdin> "E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.lis" means it didn't see a "deb" bit
[18:16] <nixternal> isn't it /~tsimpson/
[18:16] <stdin> not for the archive
[18:16] <CPrgmSwR2> I see what happen
[18:17] <lnxkde> ok installing kde4 rc1 again
[18:17] <lnxkde> :)
[18:17] <lnxkde> hopefully I will have the uptodae plasma
[18:18] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: okay I have your thing added, but its not showing up with kde4-base as 3.96
[18:18] <stdin> that's because kde4base is the old package name
[18:18] <stdin> read the announcement
[18:19] <stdin> 3rd instruction: "Install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime"
[18:19] <stdin> 1st one is "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5)" < important
[18:22]  * buz still wonders about kwin_composite
[18:23] <buz> i can turn it on, but then it complains i dont have composite
[18:23] <buz> never mind that compiz works just fine
[18:23] <stdin> #kde4-devel is the best place to ask
[18:23] <buz> i was about to go there :)
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: they have to activate composite in the xorg.conf file
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> its by default set to no
[18:40] <Jucato> they don't have to. I didn't
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> --> Option		"Composite"	"0"
[18:40]  * Jucato goes to bed
[18:41] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats what mine has right now
[18:41] <stdin> me either
[18:41] <nixternal> k'nite again!
[18:41] <Jucato> heheh
[18:41] <Jucato> k'night *
[18:42] <stdin> damn, why did the Ubuntu language pack builders pick now to take over i386 buildds
[18:44] <stdin> with >150 packages....
[18:49] <mikkael> whats the command to start that plasma browser, that sits in the corner ?
[18:50] <sebas> plasmaappletbrowser?
[18:53] <mikkael> hmm command not found
[18:53] <mikkael> i launched an empty session, now the thing in the corner is missing
[19:19] <rouzic> Tm_T: kopete crashed :D
[19:23] <rouzic> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45395/ :)
[19:26] <jdong> anyone planning to package ktorrent 2.2.4?
[19:26] <jdong> cuz I call dibs!
[19:26] <jdong> "2.2.4 is out, this fixes a crash in 2.2.3 and some other minor stuff. There are also some improvements made to the webgui."
[19:26] <jdong> ^^ changelog of the day award
[19:28] <fdoving> nixternal: around? - i'm missing the icons in kde4, any clue what i've done or not done?
[19:28] <nixternal> umm, you are missing all of the icons?
[19:29] <fdoving> yeah, i'm missing the icon themes, basically.
[19:29] <nixternal> wow, I thought those were installed with kdelibs
[19:29] <nixternal> can you look in system settings and see if the oxygen icon theme is even listed?
[19:29] <fdoving> the list is empty.
[19:29] <fdoving> the files are there.
[19:29] <jpatrick> installed kde-icons-oxygen?
[19:29] <jpatrick> ah right
[19:29] <fdoving> i'll try to figure it out.
[19:30] <nixternal> that is weird...did you just recently update or something?
[19:31] <fdoving> yep.
[19:31] <fdoving> directly from svn as of today.
[19:32] <fdoving> i can cheat. package the files to ~/.kde4
[19:32] <nixternal> man, I am building the latest right now, don't scare me :)
[19:32] <fdoving> s/package/copy
[19:32] <fdoving> might aswell be some old configs i have left from earlier.
[19:32] <nixternal> it could be, especially if you haven't udpated in a while
[19:32] <fdoving> 1.5months since i updated kde4 now.
[19:33] <nixternal> I have my ~/.kde4 wiped after every logoff
[19:33] <fdoving> i wiped mine before this login.
[19:33] <fdoving> maybe that's the problem :)
[19:33] <nixternal> since we started the KDE 4 Krush days, I have been wiping .kde4 every rip and never had a problem
[19:35] <fdoving> the styles and everything else is there.
[19:35] <fdoving> only icons missing.
[19:36] <fdoving> didn't work copying them to ~/.kde4/share/icons either.
[19:36] <fdoving> hmm.
[19:37] <nixternal> I am waiting for kdepim to build before I can log back in
[19:39] <fdoving> nixternal: tsdgeos> fdoving: code is wrong, svn up and make install again
[19:40] <fdoving> nixternal: let's hope you got that fix then. :)
[19:53] <jdong> any core-dev in the mood for sponsoring ktorrent 2.2.4? Built and tested here already
[20:12] <Riddell> jdong: got a link?
[20:12] <jdong> Riddell: bug #164394
[20:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164394 in ktorrent "SPONSOR: KTorrent 2.2.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164394
[20:17] <Riddell> jdong: uploading
[20:17] <jdong> Riddell: thanks very much :)
[20:17] <Riddell> nixternal: akademy-es story if you want
[20:17] <Riddell> nixternal: can you commit images to svn?
[20:28] <lnxkde> hi again stdin
[20:28] <lnxkde> :D
[20:28] <lnxkde> sorry to bother you, but I re installed rc1 and still I get the old panel and plasma
[20:28] <lnxkde> :/
[20:28] <lnxkde> how can I clean completely my system from kde4 configs and etc...
[20:29] <stdin> remove all the kde4 packages and the ~/.kde4 dir
[20:29] <stdin> that should clean it all
[20:29] <lnxkde> stdin: correct me if I am right
[20:30] <lnxkde> the new pabnel is black?
[20:30] <stdin> hold on, I'll fire up xephyr
[20:31] <nixternal> Riddell: depends on the location in svn
[20:31] <nixternal> I can commit to the www stuff I don't think
[20:31] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[20:32] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: did kdenetwork compile?
[20:32] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: missing dependency on libvncserver-dev
[20:34] <Riddell> nixternal: it's in trunk/dot.kde.org you should be able to commit
[20:34] <CPrgmSwR2> dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:34] <CPrgmSwR2> how do I resolve that issue
[20:35] <nixternal> Riddell: roger
[20:36] <stdin> lnxkde: mine looks like this http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1302/kde4rc1am9.png
[20:37] <nixternal> Riddell: so I should take the attached images from the dot article and add them to trunk/dot.kde.org then?
[20:37] <Riddell> nixternal: yes (make yourself a directory in there)
[20:37] <nixternal> ok
[20:38] <lnxkde> stdin: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=742
[20:38] <nixternal> ie. d.k.o/static
[20:39] <lnxkde> stdin: it suppose to look like that and it suppose to have an option to change the wallpaper...
[20:39] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: okay back
[20:39] <CPrgmSwR2> kdm-kde4 will not install
[20:41] <lnxkde> CPrgmSwR2: nope it wont
[20:44] <Riddell> nixternal: then you need to sync it to the static.kdenews.org server
[20:45] <nixternal> holy smokes...learning something new again! :)
[20:46] <CPrgmSwR2> CRAP!!! ATI needs to die!
[20:47] <stdin> lnxkde: did you see the "Please note that this is very recent, and not all of it is part of the just-released KDE 4.0 RC1" ?
[20:47] <lnxkde> hehe
[20:47] <lnxkde> nope
[20:47] <lnxkde> :/
[20:47] <lnxkde> that sucks then :(
[20:47] <stdin> on the 1st line too :p
[20:48] <mhb> Riddell: have you tried to poke the sysadmins to get us a Drupal installation lately?
[20:48] <mhb> we'd appreciate it if you tried
[20:48] <mhb> I have *never* seen them actually finish the task I've asked for
[20:48]  * lnxkde goes and see if he can build kde4 from svn
[20:49] <stdin> lnxkde: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[20:49] <lnxkde> stdin: thankx
[20:53] <CPrgmSwR2> Can someone make a flavor of ubuntu for kde4
[20:53] <CPrgmSwR2> like kubuntu4
[20:53] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: we're planning to have a KDE4 Live CD
[20:54] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: planning means we don't have anybody working on it yet, it's a shame, I know
[20:54] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't want a live CD
[20:54] <CPrgmSwR2> I want to install kde4 for daily use
[20:55] <CPrgmSwR2> My next PC is going to have an NVidia card, unless AMD/ATI makes a significant improvement in their drivers
[20:55] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: heh :o) 0.0 is not 5.8
[20:56] <nixternal> Riddell: would you mind teachine me really quick how to sync to static.kdenews.org?
[20:58]  * Riddell /msges
[21:35] <nixternal> Riddell: one more...how do I know that is has completed the sync?
[21:41] <Riddell> nixternal: well, it says so
[21:41] <Riddell> it lists the files on that web page
[21:41] <Riddell> also you can look at the URL, static.kdenews.org/nn/foo.png
[21:43] <nixternal> ahh, OK..it didn't list any files on that webpage when I did it
[21:43] <nixternal> ahhh
[21:43] <nixternal> the svn lag
[21:43] <nixternal> svn: Connection closed unexpectedly
[21:44] <Riddell> keep reloading periodically
[21:46] <nixternal> hehe, that is what I am doin' now
[21:47] <nixternal> Riddell: all I have to do is put those images in my subdir in svn right? this time it popped up "At revision 739786" and my commit was 739771
[21:57] <stdin> Riddell: in kdetoys-kde4:
[21:57] <stdin> dh_install -peyesapplet-kde4  --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[21:57] <stdin> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/eyes_panelapplet.so': No such file or directory
[22:00] <Riddell> htm
[22:00] <Riddell> hrm
[22:01] <Riddell> curious, not sure what's missing there
[22:01] <Riddell> but panel applets are a bit weird since kicker doesn't exist any more
[22:01] <Riddell> just leave it for now I think


[14:57] <stgraber> highvoltage: I won't upload a new edubuntu-live today, the only translations that appeared after my last upload are your Afrikaans ones and as they haven't been acked by an official translation team member, LP won't let me export them
[14:58] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok. I guess I'll have to find out how to get that approved then (at least that buys me a little time to do so)
[14:58] <stgraber> yeah, I guess we can get another upload done for the point release


[03:27] <zl2tod> so the new kernel hangs on APIC stuff, so I find the package in Launchpad ... how do I look at the package's bugs - the tab is greyed out
[03:28] <RAOF> zl2tod: Bugs aren't assigned to particular package versions
[03:29] <RAOF> zl2tod: So, the page you're after is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20
[04:21] <zl2tod> thanks RAGE
[04:39] <ryanakca> Is there a LP admin around with a couple minutes to kill?
[04:41] <ryanakca> or... show me how to do so myself...
[04:41] <LaserJock> ryanakca: seriously dude, send an email to launchpad-users
[04:42] <ryanakca> kk
[05:39] <mpt> ryanakca, you can do that yourself
[05:39] <mpt> through the "Change details" link (iirc)
[05:40] <mpt> LaserJock, not really a good idea to direct random people to RT
[05:40] <mpt> That's more for Canonical staff afaik
[05:40] <mpt> Amaranth, did you report that as a bug?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> mpt: lp-users is the RT?
[05:44] <mpt> no
[05:44] <mpt> RT is completely separate from Launchpad
[05:44] <mpt> It's the to-do system used by Canonical sysadmins
[05:45] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[05:45] <LaserJock> so launchpad-users is the best?
[05:51] <mpt> I think the recommended place for account requests a.t.m. is https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[05:51] <mpt> at least until https://launchpad.net/bugs/gbcw is implemented
[05:52] <LaserJock> ah, well I kinda thought that was kinda the same thing
[05:58] <mpt> The difference is that requests made in launchpad-users@ can be forgotten
[09:04] <yharrow> hey guys
[09:04] <yharrow> anyone here?
[09:36] <ubotu> New bug: #104364 in launchpad "Project description text slams into the mugshot branding image " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104364
[09:43] <LaserJock> hi yharrow
[10:00] <mdke> I think my bugmail is coming through a bit unreliably, anyone else with similar problems. I've been getting a lot of late bugmail, and some doesn't seem to be coming at all
[10:17] <Fujitsu> mdke: I've experienced that too, especially with some new bugs being delayed by a couple of hours.
[10:20] <mdke> Fujitsu: right ok. I wonder if it's related to the list problems too...
[10:21] <Fujitsu> I highly doubt it. The list machine is entirely separate, I believe.
[10:21] <mdke> yes, I'm sure it is
[10:51] <yharrow> hey LaserJock
[10:51] <yharrow> hi Bhaskar
[10:52] <Bhaskar> yharrow, hello
[10:53] <yharrow> Bhaskar: how's it going?
[10:54] <Bhaskar> yharrow, fine
[10:54] <yharrow> Bhaskar: cool
[10:54] <yharrow> Bhaskar: do you how I can get a very simple bug in launchpad design fixed?
[10:55] <yharrow> This bug right here
[10:55] <yharrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/103233
[10:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 103233 in launchpad "top half of you have logged out" div  is obscured" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:56] <LaserJock> yharrow: well, the bug is filed, that's the most important part.
[11:01] <yharrow> LaserJock: how long does it take before it is reviewed?
[11:02] <LaserJock> it depends
[11:02] <LaserJock> I'm sure somebody's probably at least seen it
[11:03] <LaserJock> I saw it float by in my email
[11:43] <yharrow> LaserJock: ok cool, was just wondering since it stood out to me, its prollynot as crucial as other errors though
[11:44] <yharrow> i mean bugs
[11:46] <LaserJock> yharrow: yeah, there are currently 2107 open bugs for Launchpad
[11:47] <LaserJock> usually the dev team is pretty good about at least triaging the bugs
[11:47] <LaserJock> it is the weekend though
[11:48] <yharrow> and around easter too :D
[11:48] <yharrow> so some people are on holiday
[11:49] <yharrow> or will be
[11:49] <yharrow> makes sense
[11:49] <yharrow> LaserJock: thank you for your help :)
[11:54] <LaserJock> no problem
[02:07] <ryanakca> mpt: umm... no. I can't.
[02:09] <mpt> ryanakca, are you sure you're logged in?
[02:09] <mpt> Can you see the "Change details" link?
[02:10] <ryanakca> yes
[02:10] <ryanakca> two name related options are present: Display Name and Title
[02:10] <ryanakca> both have been set to kcipher for the past 2-3 days now.
[02:12] <mpt> ryanakca, oh, I see now
[02:12] <mpt> That's ... strange
[02:12] <ryanakca> very
[02:12] <ryanakca> iirc, you could change it in the old interface though
[02:12] <ryanakca> I had changed it from vareak to vareac or something of the sort
[02:18] <mpt> Can't tell exactly who removed it...
[02:19] <mpt> either Mark or Salgado, I think
[02:22] <mpt> Anyway, I think this is a bug
[02:22] <ryanakca> ah, pitty.... it was usefull
[02:22] <ryanakca> kk
[02:22] <ryanakca> feel like filing it, or shall I?
[02:23] <mpt> Either you should be able to change the ID of a project you maintain, or you shouldn't be able to change the ID of your person profile
[02:23] <mpt> I'll report it
[02:23] <ryanakca> (the not-able-to-change-urlname)
[02:23] <ryanakca> kk
[02:23] <ryanakca> and, to rename my project, I file a support request?
[02:23] <ryanakca> or do you want to use it as an example in your bug?
[02:24] <mpt> both :-)
[02:24] <ryanakca> kk
[02:25] <ryanakca> can't rename project ID?
[02:25] <ryanakca> can't change project's URL?
[02:27] <mpt> We don't have a good name for it yet
[02:27] <mpt> We call it the "Name", but that's a bit misleading
[02:28] <mpt> I've suggested "ID"
[02:29] <ryanakca> kk
[02:30] <ryanakca> bug #?
[02:31] <mpt> You can't make a request and link a bug report to it simultaneously anyway
[02:32] <ryanakca> ah, kk
[02:32] <mpt> (at least not with the provided "Link bug report" function)
[02:32] <ryanakca> no...
[02:32] <ryanakca> just put a link to it
[02:32] <ryanakca> oh, and codebrowse.lp.net is all 500 Internal errors (or mostly)
[02:33] <ryanakca> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ryanakca/kcypher/trunk/changes
[02:33] <ryanakca> last night 1-3 were all 500 (when clicking on the commit message), now it's just three
[02:34] <ryanakca> same for clicking on the commit #
[02:36] <mpt> bug 104422
[02:36] <ubotu> Malone bug 104422 in launchpad "Project ID ("name") isn't changeable by its maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104422
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #104422 in launchpad "Project ID ("name") isn't changeable by its maintainer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104422
[02:53] <ryanakca> thanks
[04:14] <shirish> can anybody guide me through registering a blueprint?
[04:58] <Firefoxman> HELP!!! I registerd the project QEmu, but am not the developer for it. How can I assign the project to the right dev?
[04:58] <Firefoxman> I am in no way associated w/ the project, I just thought they needed a launchpad page.
[05:02] <Firefoxman> Can someone delete it?
[05:03] <phanatic> Firefoxman: https://launchpad.net/qemu/+driver
[05:03] <phanatic> you should reassign the project to the appropriate person/group
[05:04] <Firefoxman> Supposudly it is done by Fabrice Bellard , but he has no launchpad account.
[05:05] <Firefoxman> Oh, and teh choose button wont work in ff.
[05:05] <phanatic> i don't understand why you created a project page and want to get it deleted right afterwards
[05:08] <Firefoxman> Well, I dont want it to be deleted, just reassigned. But, if it cannot be reassigned, I do not want to get in trouble w/ the real dev for impersonating the owner of the project!
[05:09] <Firefoxman> And, noone who works on the project is in launchpad!
[05:16] <shirish> guys I have made a blueprint, can somebody check out that it has been done in a right way/right manner?
[05:16] <shirish> I am new to this
[05:17] <Hobbsee> (guys, it's sunday in most countries, and a public holiday in some of them.  you probably wont get an answer for anoterh couple of days)
[05:18] <shirish> ok cool :P
[05:18] <Firefoxman> So, can YOU help us?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> no
[05:20] <Firefoxman> boo hoo :<
[05:20] <Firefoxman> :(
[05:23] <phanatic> Firefoxman: just leave it as is for now
[05:23] <Firefoxman> Ok.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic
[05:26] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[05:27] <Firefoxman> So, hobbsee, if today is a holiday, what are you doing here?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Firefoxman: well, i'm not at work.  i talk to people on irc.
[05:28] <phanatic> :)
[05:28] <Firefoxman> you should ask for a job!
[05:29] <Hobbsee> maybe :)
[06:38] <mwh> hmm
[06:38] <mwh> can i unregister a series?
[06:40] <a7p> hi everyone, is there a way to view the bugs with the oldest comments?
[07:36] <gdoubleu> I was taking a look at launchpad, I didn't see how a project can post pages of information for users (besides linking to an official project website).  Is there a way to do this that I am missing?  I think this would be a great thing to have, especially for smaller projects looking for hosting that don't already have their own website.
[07:36] <gdoubleu> For example, Trac and Google Code have wiki sections.
[07:38] <gdoubleu> I didn't see any mention of something like this in the launchpad bugs or blueprints either.
[10:06] <Kmos> OOPS-463C1250
[10:06] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/463C1250
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #104564 in launchpad "git based import for projects inaddition to cvs and svn import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104564


[11:53] <jarnos> I can't remove/reassing keybinding for Ctrl+Escape.
[11:54] <jarnos> Which is assigned to a nonexisting command by default.
[13:43] <jarnos> What is the version of Xfce in up to date Mythbuntu 14.04?
[13:46] <Kwisher_wrk> look in synaptic
[13:50] <jarnos> Kwisher_wrk, for which package? I want the version of Xfce. Version of xfce4-session is 4.10.1-3ubuntu5, version of xfce4-settings is 4.11.2-1ubuntu2...
[13:52] <jarnos> "dpkg-query --show --showformat='${Version}' xfce4" shows nothing
[14:07] <Kwisher_wrk> jarnos: looks like it 4.10
[15:26] <jarnos> Kwisher_wrk, ok, thanks


[12:37] <TLE> kelemengabor: hey
[12:38] <kelemengabor> good morning TLE
[12:38] <TLE> I forgot again, do you remember which packages it was, whose docs were left out in the original docs-translation package, that the latest update was supposed to fix?
[12:40] <TLE> kelemengabor: actually, maybe I'll ask mdke to put a note about on the testing page
[12:41] <TLE> mdke: hey, I was wondering, for this language pack update, where there is still a few days left, would you include a note on the testing page, about which programs it was where the translation of the manuals were left out entirely
[12:41] <kelemengabor> IIRC, ubuntu-docs, deja-dup, aisleriot and maybe one more I can't recall
[12:42] <kelemengabor> and ubuntu-docs was working before, due to a packaging hack, but it should (and does) work now without that packaging hack
[12:43] <TLE> kelemengabor: ah yes, thank you
[12:43] <kelemengabor> yw
[12:43] <TLE> just finished my testing then, have you done it for your language, or delegated it ;)
[12:45] <kelemengabor> well, I have used it since a few days, but had no time to record it on the wiki
[12:56] <TLE> Everyone, we NEED more language packs tested for this release, so please try and mobilize people from your translation tems or LoCo's and get to it
[12:56] <TLE> The procedure is described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA
[15:21] <dpm-lunch> TLE, good work with spreading the word. I need to test my langpacks as well. I wonder if the should expand the call to the Ubuntu testing list as well (I'd have to find out if there's one first)
[15:22] <dpm> oops, lunch was over hours ago
[15:22] <TLE> nice long lunch, eh?
[15:23] <dpm> :)
[15:23] <TLE> yeah, that would maybe be a good idea, the question is whether we think that all language pack testing should go via the translation teams, so that they should forward to appropriate lists themselves
[15:23] <TLE> or
[15:24] <TLE> if we should simply say that when we send out the call for testing of the -testing list (if exists) that people that want to test should contact their translations teams first
[15:24] <dpm> TLE, I'd be proactive and CC both
[15:24] <TLE> or
[15:25] <TLE> if we simply don't care and think that anyone should be able to test them
[15:25] <TLE> both?
[15:25] <dpm> brb
[15:26] <TLE> it goes out to ubuntu-translators and we are talking about -testing, is there another?
[15:26] <TLE> dpm: om
[15:26] <TLE> ok
[15:32] <dpm> back
[15:33] <dpm> So I'd say everyone should be able to test the langpacks. The instructions are easy to follow by everyone
[15:35] <dpm> In order to spread the word, we could (I'm thinking aloud here): send the e-mail to ubuntu-translators, plus ubuntu-testing (if that's the one), plus loco-contacts plus the translations portal (once it's syndicated to Planet Ubuntu)
[15:49] <TLE> dpm: Yeah, well at least the two first one and the last one I agree with, but maybe we should discuss it in the list, in any case, it is a bit late to forward to everybody now
[15:50] <TLE> but if you are already on the testing list, would you forward the current call for testing, since we really need more languages to step up
[15:57] <dpm> TLE, I'm not on the list, but I'll take care of it.
[16:01] <TLE> dpm: nice, thanks, I have to go now, see you
[16:02] <dpm> TLE, thanks so much for doing the announcements and handling all the rest of langpack updates!
[16:03] <TLE> no problem, I'll send out an email tomorrow to the list where we can discuss how widely we should advertice, and then I can subscribe to the appropriate mailing lists
[16:04] <TLE> the translation-coordinators list that is
[18:51] <Jessica_Lily> dpm hey… have you spoken to that guy? :P
[18:52] <dpm> hi Jessica_Lily, no sorry :(, I was quite busy at UDS, and didn't have the chance to talk about new language codes
[18:53] <Jessica_Lily> ah okay, no problem
[19:14] <trijntje> I'm trying to get a diff between two large po files that only differ in a few translations, but somehow diff can seem to find any similar lines
[19:15] <trijntje> it shows all lines from file1 as deleted, and all from file2 as added. Has anyone had this problem befor, or know where I can find a solution?
[19:51] <trijntje> solved, it appears something went wrong with the spaces in the document. Running diff -b works


[06:37] <gnrp> hi everyone
[06:37] <gnrp> I found some resources saying that ubuntu studio works fine on a raspberry pi
[06:38] <gnrp> does this make sense?
[06:39] <gnrp> my goal is to use reaper (the DAW) to record some stuff (maximum five channels or so) and play back some videos
[06:42] <Eickmeyer> gnrp: We do not support Raspberry Pi divices.  Didn't look that far. Sorry for the noise^^
[06:44] <gnrp> I thought the packages were available on arm
[06:44] <Eickmeyer> gnrp: They are, but that's just because it's Ubuntu.
[06:44] <gnrp> ah, I get it. They are probably automatically built anyway, but no ISO? I.e., install raspbian/whatever and then install these packages
[06:45] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio isn't a separate distribution, and has no custom repos.
[06:45] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, we only target high-end heavy processing computers.
[06:46] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio is for professional and prosumer audio/video/graphics/photography.
[06:47]  * gnrp would just like to have something more silent and more dedicated than the regular desktop I'm using all day long
[06:50] <acid-bong[m]> Will US 21.10 and 22.04 have KDE only or a choice between KDE and XFCE?
[06:51] <Eickmeyer> acid-bong[m]: Having a choice of desktop isn't practically possible for an ISO. If you read the release announcement for 20.04, it said that 20.10 and onward would be Plasma. (KDE is not a desktop)
[06:51] <acid-bong[m]> i mean, a choice between 2 ISOs
[06:52] <Eickmeyer> Again, not practically possible because we'd have to introduce a whole new "flavor" of Ubuntu, which proved to be too time-consuming to maintain. Please read the backlogs in https://ubuntustudio.org/news
[06:54] <acid-bong[m]> got it
[06:54] <acid-bong[m]> cheers
[06:54] <Eickmeyer> o/
[06:59] <acid-bong[m]> > unofficial Ubuntu derivatives (those NOT listed as official flavors) are not supported
[06:59] <acid-bong[m]> does this mean that its possible outcomes of installing it to, let's say, Elementary or Mint, aren't Ubuntu's responsibility and aren't covered by Ubuntu support?
[06:59] <Eickmeyer> That's 100% correct.
[07:10] <acid-bong[m]> speaking of US installer: does it also use apt to install US-related software packages?
[07:12] <corrinado[m]> It's based on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is derived from Debian. They both use apt as a package manager.
[07:19] <Visual69[m]> Hello everybody, where I can find full guidelines to set folders for total software collection with .Appimage software packages?
 "It's based on Ubuntu. Ubuntu..." <- so potentially it will work for every Ubuntu-based distro?
[07:22] <acid-bong[m]> s/for/on/
[07:25] <rgh> acid-bong: I'd guess the Ubuntu Studio installer wants the official Ubuntu repos?
[07:26] <rgh> You can try but it'll probably break.
[07:26] <rgh> Btw. Check this
[07:26] <acid-bong[m]> well, in case if they're not disabled
[07:26]  * rgh uploaded an image: (42KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MngfdjhBCcNTvbgXnDSNWLFz/Screenshot_20210907-092438~2.png >
[07:27] <rgh> That's from the source code. So yes. It uses apt-get
[07:29] <rgh> Visual69: ubuntu and there for Ubuntu Studio has built in support for snap and flatpak.
[07:30] <rgh> Appimage is out of scope for this chat room. Better ask somewhere else.
[07:30] <rgh> s/there/therefore/, s/for//
[07:30] <rgh> Wait. I was gonna take a nap.
[07:30] <rgh> TTYL.