[05:25] <ajmitch> weird, I resumed my laptop & it didn't accept my password - used the switch user option & it did
[05:27] <ajmitch> heh, it seemed to be the numlock that got enabled somehow
[06:02] <hads> How are the Zareason laptops working out?
[06:03] <ajmitch> fairly well for me, I'm mostly just carrying to work each day & sitting it on my desk, with separate mouse & keyboard
[06:08] <hads> Happy with the build quality etc.?
[06:09] <ajmitch> mostly, not a big fan of the keyboard
[06:09] <ajmitch> but I never really like laptop keyboards anyway
[06:10] <hads> Indeed. Thanks, I'm weighing some things up :)
[06:10] <ajmitch> ibeardslee can give you some feedback from a few more people
[06:10]  * ajmitch would also have liked an all-metal body on it :)
[06:11] <hads> My ZaTab is suitable for it's purpose but I wasn't amazed with the build of it.
[06:12] <hads> Nothing wrong with it at all, I just wasn't blown away.
[06:12]  * ajmitch could probably say the same about the laptop
[06:13] <G> hads: oh glad I'm not the only person
[06:14] <G> hads: although maybe a bit more disappointed (for instance, even after hearing vague reports of people getting minor shocks off theirs, I was reaolly surprised to get one myself
[06:14] <G> the last build I tried seemed to improve the stability/touchscreen stuff though
[06:16] <G> the thing that gets me with it, (and this might be a complaint of Android itself, the Volume keys don't change the volume
[06:16] <hads> That's specific to this hardware, you hold them down and it does. Caught me out too.
[06:16] <hads> Mine went odd the other day all all the apps kept crashing. Tried to reboot but it wouldn't boot. Had to do a factory reset. Came up in Chinese language by default :)
[06:17] <ajmitch> odd
[06:17] <G> hads: hmmm, never tried long press... interesting
[06:18]  * ajmitch hasn't had to do a factory reset yet, just poking at the reset button occasionally when running linux on the sd card
[06:18] <hads> I don't know what the issue was and it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue. Tried a cache reset and some other things but ended up having to to a hard reset.
[19:56] <ibeardslee> hads: re the Zareason Laptops .. to me (and use here at Catalyst) the biggest win is being able to buy laptops without a licence for a legacy OS.  And I'm willing to overlook some of the faults to get that to happen.  Hopefully as we overlook the faults and help support ZaReason we'll find that they can grow and start being able to take that feedback (yes, each fault needs to be fed back to them) and build improved machines.
[19:57] <ibeardslee> for the UltraLap ..
[19:57] <ibeardslee> 1/ trackpad is centred to the laptop, not the spacebar
[19:58] <ibeardslee> 2/ front edge of the laptop is a bit sharp when resting the wrist there
[19:58] <ibeardslee> 3/ the spacebar is a bit dead/unresponsive at the ends
[19:59] <ibeardslee> 4/ had a comment that from one that the trackpad buttons required a bit of pressure to work
[19:59] <ibeardslee> 5/ could be quieter, even with the SSD there is a bit of noise
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 6/ the bezel around the screen is flexible and on one has tiny gap between the plastic and screen (it'll fill up with dust/hair etc)
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 7/ volume buttons weren't working with the precise kernel (haven't tried others)
[20:01] <ibeardslee> 8/ no caps/num lock indicator buttons
[20:02] <ibeardslee> s/buttons/lights/
[20:16] <mwhudson> morning
[20:17] <ajmitch> morning
[20:22] <ojwb> ibeardslee: I'd pay extra for no caps lock...
[20:25] <ojwb> fwiw, on this hp laptop, the trackpad isn't centred on either the space bar or the laptop, and it's not something I've even noticed
[20:26] <ojwb> i think it may be centred on the keyboard ignoring the number pad part
[20:30] <chilts> morning
[20:30] <ibeardslee> centred on the spacebar is quite handy because that is generally the default position of the hands, having to shit the position to use te trackpad does upset my cat when she is resting on my arms
[20:30] <ibeardslee> s/shit/shift/
[20:30]  * ibeardslee wanders for another coffee
[20:31] <chilts> yeah, centered on the spacebar :)
[20:31] <chilts> and because I don't do number pads on laptops, it's pretty much centered on the lappy too
[20:31] <chilts> ibeardslee: my System76 is pretty damn quiet (with the SSD)
[20:31] <chilts> quietest laptop I've ever had
[20:31] <chilts> same about the sharp front edge though
[20:32] <ibeardslee> the ultralap doesn't have the number pad, but it does have the column for the page up/down etc keys
[20:32] <hads> ibeardslee: Thanks for the feedback.
[20:32] <chilts> yeah, same
[20:32] <chilts> again, no caps/num lock indicators
[20:32] <ibeardslee> that off-centres the keyboard/space bar
[20:32] <chilts> only slightly though?
[20:32] <chilts> I don't mind a little bit
[20:32] <ibeardslee> prob no more than a couple of cm
[20:33] <chilts> yeah
[20:33] <ibeardslee> to me it is a distraction.
[20:34] <ibeardslee> hads: that's the word I was looking for earlier .. rather than 'faults' I see the issues etc as 'distractions' from the 'perfection' of a light fairly grunty laptop without the legacy OS licence
[20:34] <chilts> the most important thing for me these days is that the keyboard layout is standard ... no stupid positions for things like the arrow keys, home/pgup/pgdn/end, pause, delete ins etc
[20:34] <ibeardslee> oh an 9/ 1366x768 14" screen
[20:35] <chilts> and no keys to the left of `/~/tab/caps/shift/ctrl
[20:35] <ibeardslee> ++
[20:35] <chilts> ibeardslee: next time I'm in Catalyst, wanna compare your ZaReason with my System76?
[20:35] <chilts> I think they're quite alike to be honest
[20:35] <hads> I'm spoilt with the Thinkpad keyboard. I find it difficult to work on different laptops.
[20:36] <ibeardslee> sure .. although mine isn't here yet .. still got a temp one .. that we have issued to a staff member
[20:36] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: I'll certainly give it points for being light, it's nice to carry it to work each day
[20:38] <ojwb> ibeardslee: mostly i was pointing out it's not just a feature of the zareason one
[20:39] <ibeardslee> ojwb: understood, but just because it is a common 'feature' doesn't mean it isn't a distraction
[20:40] <ojwb> special keys not working in linux is quite common too IME, but something zareason should really be getting right
[20:42] <ajmitch> usually volume keys are easy enough to get working, brightness & wifi work on there
[21:52] <Atamira> morning
[21:53] <kcj> Morning.


[23:30] <mightyman> can't help me ?
[23:30] <mightyman> it's not even a minute...:)
[23:32] <dwidmann> !punctuation > mightyman
[23:32] <mightyman> :|
[23:32] <endoftheinternet> xfix didn't work
[23:33] <BluesKaj> mightyman, intel CPU ?
[23:33] <endoftheinternet> can I re-install KDM?
[23:33] <draik> How do I get k3b to accept mp3 files to burn onto an audio CD?
[23:33] <endoftheinternet> I need to delete ALL trace sof compiz
[23:33] <endoftheinternet> how do I repair KDM?
[23:33] <mightyman> BluesKaj, anything...just 32bit
[23:33] <BluesKaj> what cpu do you run
[23:34] <endoftheinternet> me?
[23:34] <mightyman> amd
[23:34] <BluesKaj> there's an ia32 utility for intels but dunno if they work on amd
[23:34] <endoftheinternet> nothing happened until I messed with desktop effects
[23:35] <mightyman> what utility? that can convert an 32bit rpm to a 64bit deb ?
[23:36] <mefisto__> narothepharoh: http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/   (found that link on the vdrift website)
[23:36] <BluesKaj> mightyman, it 's called microcode.ctl in adept and synaptic
[23:36] <narothepharoh> mefisto_: I am looking at the same site right now thanks though
[23:37] <mightyman> BluesKaj, thanks I'll give a try
[23:37] <BluesKaj> doesn't do the conversion directly
[23:37] <FuzzyTheBear> Greetings , seems my kubuntu grub entry in the grub.conf of my gentoo dist is wrong .. any good document on the peculiar requirements of kubuntu for boot somewhere ? cant seem to locate a clear document ..
[23:37] <BluesKaj> but may support it
[23:37] <mightyman> but?
[23:37] <mightyman> great :)
[23:38] <BluesKaj> dunno
[23:38] <endoftheinternet> i removed compiz
[23:39] <endoftheinternet> how do you reinstall something from apt-get?
[23:39] <mightyman> it's not the thing I'm looking for... but thanks indeed
[23:39] <endoftheinternet> i'll be back
[23:39] <BluesKaj> endoftheinternet, sudo apt-get install "application" , in the terminal
[23:40] <mightyman> thanks BluesKaj, bye
[23:40] <BluesKaj> good luck , mightyman
[23:41] <endoftheinternet> is there ANY wa to reinstall KDM?
[23:41] <endoftheinternet> will GDM work with KDE?
[23:42] <mefisto__> endoftheinternet: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm
[23:42] <mefisto__> and yes, gdm will work, but you'll have the gnome login screen
[23:42] <FuzzyTheBear> mefisto__ : is there a perticular channel to discuss grub issues with kubuntu ?
[23:43]  * mefisto__ shrugs
[23:43] <FuzzyTheBear> that bad eh ?  :D
[23:45] <endoftheinternet> do I need to restart my compute rafter re-installing KDM?
[23:45] <FuzzyTheBear> you only restart a computer whne the kernel is concerned .. restart the KDM service
[23:46] <endoftheinternet> how?
[23:46] <endoftheinternet> wait... kill it
[23:46] <FuzzyTheBear> -.-
[23:48] <ttread> FuzzyTheBear, the grub entry for kubuntu is not unusual, I can copy the lines here if you want
[23:48] <FuzzyTheBear> that would be most appreciated
[23:48] <endoftheinternet> note to self: don't kill kdm
[23:48] <ttread> title		Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[23:49] <dwidmann> endoftheinternet: why not?
[23:49] <ttread> root  (hd1,0)  <or whatever drive you installed kubuntu on>
[23:49] <FuzzyTheBear> up to now .. simple .. and i got that part
[23:50] <ttread> kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=25fd4e1a-fb4f-404a-b9b5-0395339ed781 ro quiet splash
[23:50] <endoftheinternet> well... what happened was nothing screen went crazy
[23:50] <dwidmann> endoftheinternet: though, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start|stop|restart would be much more appropriate
[23:50] <endoftheinternet> yeah
[23:50] <ttread> the UUID would be different for your drive
[23:50] <FuzzyTheBear> uuid of the drive i installed on i suppose ?
[23:50] <ttread> yes
[23:51] <endoftheinternet> i might switch to GDM
[23:51] <FuzzyTheBear> .. ill have to find that .. we cant use the drive designation ?
[23:51] <ttread> initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.24-16-generic
[23:51] <endoftheinternet> since i restarte dmy system and it still doe sthe same thing
[23:51] <ttread> yes I think you can use the drive designation but I'd have to look up how
[23:51] <endoftheinternet> all I did was change desktop settings
[23:52] <endoftheinternet> can I get a normal session in failsafe instea dof just a terminal?
[23:52] <ttread> quiet     <last line of menu.lst entry>
[23:52] <FuzzyTheBear> i tried that and the boot hangs at the splash with the cursor coming back and forth and just stays there .. which is why i was asking
[23:53] <endoftheinternet> what I need to do Is get to the configuration for compiz so I can disable it
[23:53] <endoftheinternet> i NEED to
[23:53] <endoftheinternet> the Desktop Effects configuration
[23:54] <endoftheinternet> but I cant get to it within terminal
[23:54] <ttread> FuzzyTheBear: are you sure this is a grub problem?  Sounds like it's booting into the kernel ok
[23:54] <FuzzyTheBear> well here's the story so far ..
[23:55] <endoftheinternet> how can I start adept from terminal?
[23:55] <FuzzyTheBear> i had to edit the grub line for kubunto so's i wouldnt get the splash .. it seems to boot fine .. but sfter it finds all the drives and most hardware has been found .. i get a message
[23:55] <dwidmann> endoftheinternet: adept_manager
[23:56] <FuzzyTheBear> Check ROOT = Boot..
[23:56] <FuzzyTheBear> cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules , devices
[23:57] <FuzzyTheBear> cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT does not exist
[23:57] <FuzzyTheBear> that's the end result ..
[23:57] <_dennister> how's the feedback on hardy coming along? is the general consensus like mine? ie. tired of all these broken packages and ready to return to gutsy?
[23:58] <endoftheinternet> wait... I can open dolphin and save my conf files
[23:58] <_dennister> almost nothing seems to work as its supposed to
[23:59] <endoftheinternet> what command is it to start dolphin?
[23:59] <mefisto__> _dennister: I think hardy is just a little more stable than gutsy
[23:59] <ttread> well you could try running grub-install from the kubuntu live cd
[23:59] <dwidmann> FuzzyTheBear: is that what it says verbatim, or what you remembered or something? (I'm googling)
[23:59] <ttread> I take it you don't have a backup of menu.lst?
[23:59] <endoftheinternet> i think I fixed it
[23:59] <endoftheinternet> what commmand restarts KDM again?
[23:59] <_dennister> mefisto__: how can you say "stable" when so many important packages are broken, and stay broken?
[23:59] <FuzzyTheBear> it's redacted from the message i had .. so unless i forgot caps  etc .. it's 98% accurate id say ..


[04:51] <alkisg> b7r: dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/mate-dictionary.desktop
[04:51] <alkisg> mate-utils: /usr/share/applications/mate-dictionary.desktop
[04:51] <alkisg> BUT purging mate-utils also removes  mate-utils* ubuntu-mate-core* ubuntu-mate-desktop*, which might not be a good thing :)
[04:51] <alkisg> So you might prefer hiding the application with dpkg-divert its .desktop file
[06:28] <b7r> alkisg: thanks!
[09:35] <goutam> hello
[09:35] <goutam> anyone here?
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[15:21] <scottbomb> Good morning from Texas
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[17:21] <dengbunthai> anybody home?
[17:22] <sixwheeledbeast> !ask
[18:27] <bollmann> +i
[18:28] <bollmann> hi
[18:28] <diogenes_> ih
[18:28] <diogenes_> hi*
[18:28] <bollmann> can you speak german?
[18:29] <bollmann> can you speak german?