[00:45] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r509 Replaced redundant files by symlinks... (by rod)
[18:17] <ochosi> flocculant: what's the testing status of the thunar unfreeze patch? still good?
[18:18] <ochosi> cause i'd go ahead and merge sometime this week
[18:18] <ochosi> then distros have an easier time shipping it
[18:18] <ochosi> and i can also consider a 1.6.12 release
[19:44] <flocculant> ochosi: I have seen no bad reports
[20:24] <flocculant> ochosi bluesabre - so Thunar - assuming everyone is happy, sru route is land it in arty artichoke then we can sru?
[20:24] <flocculant> should probably be able to remember that from a month or so ago lol
[20:37] <ochosi> yeah, i guess that would be the way to go
[20:37] <ochosi> either as a patch on top of 1.6.11
[20:38] <ochosi> or i release 1.6.12
[20:39] <flocculant> well not sure really - but from a personal persepctive - new release would mean I remember what got fixed :D
[20:49] <flocculant> that said - given that I don't do the work - you lot decide ...
[20:52] <ochosi> i guess i'd have to make sure the additional commits that went into master don't break anything
[20:53] <ochosi> although there's little critical stuff there
[20:53] <flocculant> right
[20:54] <Unit193> I'd think if you wait then you can catch other issues too, but if you go with a release more distros pick it up.
[20:55] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i know, that's always the tradeoff
[20:56] <ochosi> although, had i not released 1.6.11 few would be using that code and the freeze might not have been discovered/fixed yet
[20:56] <ochosi> but yeah, as this one is a tiny patch, i would be ok with shipping that on top of 1.6.11
[20:56] <ochosi> it should still go into master though
[20:56] <Unit193> Very much, yes. :P
[21:01]  * Unit193 is tempted to try out d87a4a93b2ec4ab094f5a35ae818395f750f2891
[21:03] <ochosi> Unit193: any reason why the 4.12 ppa was dropped?
[21:03] <Unit193> ochosi: Trusty is EOL>
[21:04] <ochosi> right, so it was only for trusty?
[21:04]  * ochosi can't remember that PPA well
[21:04] <Unit193> Yeah, thought about doing more, but xfce-4.12 != xfce-4.14 (== xfce-4.13)
[21:04] <Unit193> That is to say, it only had trusty, and a long time ago precise, in it.
[21:07] <flocculant> that was a long time ago
[21:08] <ochosi> humm, what will we do with all the artwork for artsy
[21:08] <ochosi> it will have to be especially special
[21:11] <flocculant> the first thing we should do with the artwork for artsy - is decide if we're going to try letting community in - and then do what we decide sooner than the week before we need it :D
[21:12] <Unit193> Thought that was more an LTS thing.
[21:12] <flocculant> Unit193: mmm - so LTS we let community in right at the last minute - non-LTS we hassle knome right at the last minute :p
[21:13] <Unit193> flocculant: Correct!
[21:13] <ochosi> hehe
[21:13] <flocculant> knome and I had some discussion on this just before right at the last minute a few weeks ago :p
[21:14] <Unit193> ochosi: Pushing the patch?
[21:14] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i will do that sometime this week
[21:38] <Unit193> ochosi: Trying out your xfce4-notifyd commit, d87a4a93b2ec4ab094f5a35ae818395f750f2891
[21:38] <ochosi> cool
[21:38] <ochosi> lemme know whether there are terrible leaks!
[21:38] <ochosi> :>
[21:40] <Unit193> That's the idea.


[19:23] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:36] <snail> morning
[20:03] <thomi> morning
[20:11] <ajmitch> morning
[20:23] <Atamira> morena
[20:23] <Atamira> darn cold today...4.5 degrees in auckland
[20:25] <mwhudson> morning
[20:25] <Atamira> restart
[20:43] <chilts> morning
[21:07] <thumper> morning
[21:07] <thumper> high of 8 in Dunners
[21:08] <thumper> expecting snow
[21:09] <ajmitch> yay
[21:09] <ajmitch> so a list dusting on the hills, and wet everywhere else
[21:10]  * ajmitch needs coffee
[21:10] <ajmitch> s/list/light/
[21:36] <Atamira> why is it colder in auckland than dunedin?
[21:36] <Atamira> stupid weather
[21:37] <ajmitch> because dunedin is just better?
[21:58] <Atamira> just find it odd is all. dunedin is closer to the sth pole. its expecting snow
[21:58] <Atamira> we dont get snow in akld...
[22:04] <ajmitch> we don't usually get much snow in dunedin :)
[22:07] <Atamira> we dont get any
[22:07] <Atamira> wonder how colds its been in akld before
[22:08] <mwhudson> all time record for wellington is -1.9 according to wikipedia
[22:11] <Atamira> it was 4.5 degrees this morning
[22:11] <Atamira> whats the record for auckland?
[22:11] <ajmitch> currently 3.3 in dunedin
[22:12] <Atamira> wow..-.6
[22:13] <ajmitch> not really that cold...
[22:13] <Atamira> considering other places
[22:13] <Atamira> no its not
[22:13] <Atamira> took me 4 years to become cold in nsw, australia
[22:13] <Atamira> im used to run away in summer clothing
[22:14] <Atamira> run around *
[22:14] <ajmitch> some places in NSW certainly get cold :)
[22:14] <Atamira> true. and it did in NSW ..eventually when i was there
[22:14] <ajmitch> record low for canberra, -10
[22:14] <Atamira> yeah, its really cold there
[22:14] <ajmitch> it was -7 once when I visited
[22:15] <Atamira> which is again, odd
[22:15] <Atamira> but then they have that mountain near them
[22:16] <mwhudson> long way from the sea, too
[22:16] <mwhudson> i was wondering the other day what fraction of nz's population lives more than say 20kms from the sea
[22:16] <mwhudson> can't be very high
[22:17] <snail> mwhudson: all of hamilton
[22:17] <kcj> Morning.
[22:18] <snail> mwhudson: the interesting question is what fraction of nz's population lives more than say 20kms from navigable water
[22:18] <snail> mwhudson: hamilton is at the extreme inland end of navigable water on the waikato
[22:19] <mwhudson> snail: well yes hamilton but no other major centre, also taupo rotorua palmy
[22:21] <snail> mwhudson: of those all but palmy are on lakes big enough for water transport to be useful
[22:23] <Atamira> actually, doesnt hamilton have the waikato river near it?
[22:24] <mwhudson> snail: which is my theory as to why palmy is so terrible :-)
[22:24] <mwhudson> but i was still thinking about the sea
[22:24] <mwhudson> (and on 3g and i suspect lagging badly)
[22:25] <Atamira> well im off to sleep. have a good day all
[23:09] <ojwb> morning


[16:24] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Maui Shell Offers a Beautiful Vision for the Future of Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/maui-shell-convergent-desktop-for-linux-devices (by Joey Sneddon)
[20:19] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" log checked - no edits are known. Time to push 21:00 UTC.
[20:59] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - Forum pisting next.
[21:02] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - next up are the Re-directs.
[21:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - pending is release to the Social Medias.
[21:18] <guiverc> okay to push 715 to fridge Bashing-om
[21:19]  * guiverc was aiming for question mark & hit enter???   i'm still half-zombie
[21:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Push away when ready - no issues are known.
[21:26] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/12/27/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-715/
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot checks as good.
[21:28] <guiverc> UWN 715 tweeted & telegram'd
[21:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Prepare now to process 716 ?
[21:28] <guiverc> yep; clear away
[21:29] <Bashing-om> doing ^ :D
[21:30] <guiverc> :) & thanks spot check..
[21:36] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do issue716 :D
[21:43] <guiverc> uwn 715 posted to fb too
[21:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/
[21:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 715 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/12/27/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-715/
[23:06] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Enlightenment Desktop Update Brings a New Look, Fingerprint Support + More @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/enlightenment-desktop-0-25-release (by Joey Sneddon)


[00:38] <mikedep333> hi, I'm a FOSS-loving college student in an IT major. I recently took a 300-level (Junior) OO programmming and design course, and now I'm taking a 400-level network programming class. I am looking for any contributions I could make given my level of experience.
[00:39] <mikedep333> I'm guessing I could look through the bug tracker.
[00:55] <persia> That's probably the best bet.  There's no easy way to filter the java bugs, unless you look at each and every java package.
[00:59] <mikedep333> I just searched for java and a bunch came up
[00:59] <mikedep333> it seems like with java that the bugs tend to not be in the applications, but rather in the integration of the JVM
[00:59] <persia> Cool.  Just shout out if you have any questions about any of them.
[01:17] <mikedep333> yeah
[01:17] <mikedep333> there's a bug about bluej
[01:17] <mikedep333> is there a reason why bluej isn't packaged?
[01:17] <persia> What nubger?
[01:17] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ouubuntu/+bug/295972
[01:18] <mikedep333> I'm guessing it doesn't like the openjdk/classpath
[01:18] <mikedep333> I have sun-java6 installed on my 8.10 x64 box and it works fine
[01:18] <mikedep333> they only thing wrong is that it not packaged
[01:18] <mikedep333> which is compounded by the fact that the installer very lacking
[01:19] <mikedep333> ie. it asks you where the jdk is installed.
[01:19] <persia> Actually, that's a bug with the interaction between sun-java6 and newer X.
[01:19] <mikedep333> oh
[01:19] <persia> More likely, nobody got around to packaging BlueJ
[01:19] <mikedep333> yeah
[01:20] <persia> Should have been fixed, according to http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[01:20] <mikedep333> I'm familiar with linux administration
[01:20] <mikedep333> how difficult would it be for me to learn how to package and create one for bluej?
[01:20] <persia> That said, I'm not at all sure that OUUbuntu uses a new enough version of sun-java6 or openjdk to include the fix.
[01:21] <mikedep333> persia: bluej 2.5 works on sun-java6 on ubuntu 8.10 AMD64
[01:21] <persia> I don't think it's that hard to learn to package, but there's a fair bit to read.
[01:21] <mikedep333> ok
[01:22] <persia> I'd recommend starting from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnowledgeBase
[01:22] <mikedep333> yeah, I saw that
[01:22] <mikedep333> ok, thanks
[01:26] <persia> I don't know much about BlueJ, but I suspect you'll end up with multiple binary packages.
[01:26] <persia> Also, you might want to read the javahelper documentation, which can help simplify some aspects of java packaging.
[01:27] <mikedep333> great, thanks
[01:28] <mikedep333> oh
[01:29] <mikedep333> I'm guessing there's no point in packaging it for 8.10 if I merely want it to be included in the next possible release (jaunty or karma)
[01:29] <mikedep333> so I should do the packaging on jaunty daily
[01:29] <persia> Well, it might make it easier for you to test.
[01:29] <persia> Once you get it packaged for 8.10, you can update to 9.04.
[01:29] <mikedep333> ok, thanks
[01:29] <persia> Given the state of 9.04 development, it surely won't be included before 9.10.
[01:30] <persia> Personally, I'd recommend that once you get it packaged and working for 8.10, you look at what changes might be required to get it packaged and working for Debian sid, and look at getting it into Debian.
[01:30] <mikedep333> yeah
[01:30] <mikedep333> I was planning on helping debian too
[01:31] <mikedep333> I just setup an 8.10 virtual machine to test a default install
[01:31] <mikedep333> and I forgot that there would be 300MB of updates
[01:32] <persia> Ubuntu imports all the packages from Debian at the beginning of each cycle, so by putting it in Debian, you don't have to worry about separately putting it into Ubuntu.
[01:32] <mikedep333> yeah, I know
[01:32] <persia> Sorry.  I'm never sure how much people know in advance :)
[01:33] <mikedep333> lol, thank you for explaining it anyway
[01:33] <mikedep333> phone
[01:36] <mikedep333> back
[01:37] <mikedep333> yeah, I'm quite familiar with Ubuntu and FOSS despite making my first contribution to anything FOSS a few days ago
[01:39] <mikedep333> hmm
[01:40] <mikedep333> it's failing to download the updates
[01:41] <mikedep333> oh, lol
[01:41] <mikedep333> after I rebooted
[01:41] <mikedep333> it went into the live CD
[01:43] <mikedep333> I thought I was running the HDD install
[02:16] <mikedep333> does ubuntu have any plans to replace entire deb upgrades with patch/delta packages?
[02:18] <persia> The idea has been tossed around a few times, but I understand it to be a hard problem.
[02:18] <persia> It's relatively trivial as long as there are a small number of users who reliably upgrade all the time, but for a large number of users who may or may not have gotten the latest update, it becomes expensive on the server side, for most implementations.
[02:29] <mikedep333> yeah
[02:37] <mikedep333> is there a jvm installed by default on 8.10?
[02:37] <mikedep333> like the openjdk?
[02:40] <mikedep333> I guess I'll just install default-jre
[02:46] <persia> There isn't one installed by default, and yes, default-jre is probably your best choice.  I believe it happens to be openjdk, but you'll get switched if there's something better in the future.
[03:06] <mikedep333> yeah
[03:06] <mikedep333> I just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekintrepid/Packaging
[03:06] <mikedep333> brb
[03:34] <mikedep333> hey, isn't there a bug about eclipse not detecting all the JRE's?
[03:34] <mikedep333> I'm trying to find it
[03:39] <mikedep333> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/45347
[03:39] <mikedep333> looks like people are ignoring the patch
[04:02] <mikedep333> hmm
[04:02] <mikedep333> it's having trouble finding com.sun packages
[04:04] <mikedep333> the import sun.net cannot be resolved
[04:07] <mikedep333> I'm guessing that's not implemented in the gjc for 1.5
[04:09] <mikedep333> OH, DUHH
[04:09] <mikedep333> no wonder bluej hasn't been packaged yet
[04:09] <mikedep333> BlueJ goes Open Source               (4 Mar 2009)
[04:09] <mikedep333> I guess that makes copyright/license checking easy
[07:17] <kaushal> hi


[12:58] <Mez> Any bugcontrol members here ?
[13:09] <rbasak> !anyone | Mez
[13:09] <ubot2`> Mez: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.
[13:09] <Mez> rbasak: cheers :) Never mind - I got it sorted anyway :)
[17:10] <hggdh> shalom01
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, ?
[17:11] <TheLordOfTime> (also hi)
[18:20] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: trying to run a program in the wrong window
[18:20] <hggdh> :-)
[22:07] <balloons> hggdh, TheLordOfTime  thoughts? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1212356
[22:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1212356 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu is hostile to bugs from regular users" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:07] <balloons> I plan to edit the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs, but I don't want to do so in the dark of the bugsquad.
[22:11] <micahg> balloons: the reason that was done is a large portion of bugs were coming in without enough information to process
[22:11] <micahg> balloons: reading a wiki page isn't a high cost to submit a bug
[22:14] <balloons> micahg, I get the reasons, and I agree having the page isn't a high cost. We can always improve the language and flow of the page, and thus I wanted to open it up to get your thoughts
[22:14] <micahg> ah, ok
[22:15] <balloons> I'm constantly doing the same on our wiki.. trying to not scare anyone off by having too technical descriptions up front, etc :-)
[22:39] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, *looks now*
[22:41] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i agree with micahg on his assessment, but I also see a flaw in how ubuntu-bug operates - for crash bugs it requires or rather suggests the full use of a GUI browser when reporting things such as crash bugs.  Also with other bug issues as well, I see things like this, mainly with Debian BTS people going insane trying to loop their heads around the Launchpad BTS
[22:41] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, but as it stands i think we could revise the ReportingABug stuff to some extent, but generally speaking i don't agree with the bug as is filed
[22:42] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, can Launchpad set a temporary forced-silence from a registered user on bugs?
[22:42] <TheLordOfTime> the guy in question who filed that bug is acting exceptionally hostile towards commenters
[22:42] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: the account can be locked if the user isn't behaving
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> ah i misread his statements
[22:43] <TheLordOfTime> stupid small font
[22:43]  * TheLordOfTime hates his netbook
[22:44] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: yeah, looks like he's being ok now
[22:44] <balloons> his title is strong eh?
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i think the title could be revised to something like  "Ubuntu Bug Filing is not extremely user-friendly."
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> but again I'm not a dev and I started with Ubuntu so i find the bug filing system to be sufficient
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[22:45] <TheLordOfTime> whereas debian people find it to be insane
[22:45] <balloons> alright, feel free to pm me or leave comments here or email. I'm going to try tackling the page tomorrow and see if I can see if anything can be improved
[22:46] <balloons> I changed the bug title
[22:46] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, ack.
[22:46] <balloons> dinner time.. thanks to you all for the thoughts
[22:46] <balloons> we'll chat again once I've made some edits I'm sure ;-)
[22:47] <TheLordOfTime> i'm going to go zombie killing on an xbox, because I'm too frustrated with my laptop to do much today
[23:44] <phillw> Hi, could a bug admin please put https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/738305 out of its misery as support has ceased for 11.04, thanks :)
[23:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 738305 in pcmanfm (Ubuntu) "PCManFM Crashed When Accessing a Removable Drive" [Medium,In progress]
[23:46] <jtaylor> phillw: is it fixed?
[23:47] <jtaylor> phillw: you yourself marked it in progress, so you should be able to close it
[23:48] <phillw> Since 0.9, to the current 1.1 there has been many bugs fixed. I've not seen it repeated. jtaylor all I can do is mark it as invalid. Is that the correct answer to close it?
[23:49] <phillw> I thought the grim reaper of the bug bot quietly murdered inactive bugs :P
[23:53] <phillw> jtaylor: I assume that marking invalid with comment https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Release_has_reached_EOL is the correct way to do this manually?


[17:13] <TJ-> Is there anyone here speaks good English, can translate instructions for a Portugese user struggling the past few days in #ubuntu ?


[00:04] <jtee> I'm woefully behind in the ubuntu department on my mythbuntu box (8.10)... upgrading now
[00:04] <jtee> maybe that will help
[00:06] <superm1> it's quite possible
[00:06] <superm1> it's a new mythtv version, all sorts of bugs fixed in 9.10
[00:06] <jtee> it'll take awhile to upgrade that far ;-)
[00:07] <superm1> well you might cut your losses then and backup the database instead?
[00:07] <superm1> then fresh install 9.10 and restore the DB
[00:07] <superm1> directions at http://mythbuntu.org/upgrading
[00:10] <Technophil> !set default volume
[00:10] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about set default volume
[00:11] <rhpot1991> Technophil: setup>general>page 3
[00:11] <rhpot1991> I think
[00:11] <rhpot1991> some tuners also have a volume control, check your recording groups for that
[00:14] <Technophil> rhpot1991:   That's not the setting thats an issue.  Its the default slide top right of the desktop that's the issue.
[00:14] <Technophil> When booting its reset to 0
[00:14] <rhpot1991> Technophil: I think what you want to do is run sudo alsamixer
[00:14] <rhpot1991> exit out of that and it should save
[00:16] <Technophil> Will try.   (Running mixer from the Multimedia menu does not seem to retain the setting on reboot either.)
[00:17] <Technophil> Also I wondered if mythtv sets the volume to 0 when it exits as it does when jumping etc.
[00:17] <rhpot1991> I think you need to run as sudo for it to save, if that doesn't work google, there are some ways of forcing alsamixer changes to save
[00:18] <Technophil> K, thanks the search phrase "alsamixer" is probably what I was missing.
[01:21] <bonelifer> I'm looking to use a usb bluetooth adapter for A2DP(stereo). is this support out of the box or do I need to install a certain bluetooth stack?
[03:00] <innatech> Having problems w/M-buntu Karmic and an HVR-1600 card (CX-18 based) -- S-Video is recording only green bars and garbled audio.
[03:01] <innatech> vMalloc has been cranked up, and I've installed the latest nVidia drivers that work w/my card (6800 XT AGP).
[03:01] <innatech> *Vmalloc
[03:02] <innatech> This is on an nForce3 motherboard, AMD X2 4200+ cpu, 3GB RAM.
[03:05] <innatech> I'll be intermittently checking the channel if anyone has any ideas. I can provide logs if requested.
[03:08] <tgm4883> !daily
[03:08] <Zinn> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:07] <CPrompt^> hi.  i am going to set up a MythBuntu box and need a recommendation for a TVTuner card.  PCI.  Something not real expensive is preferable
[19:07] <CPrompt^> any suggestions?
[19:12] <mrand> CPrompt^: That question is a huge can of worms.  It depends on where you are in the world, combined with what types of video source(s) you have.  You'll also have to define "not real expensive."   http://mythbuntu.org/developer-hardware is what the developers have.  Your best bet though is to look over the mythtv.org wiki - they have a decent database of tuners.
[19:14] <CPrompt^> mrand: ah....I guess that would be helpful.  I am in the States.  By not real expensive I mean something around $50.00 $60.00 if possible
[19:15] <CPrompt^> I have looked at the wiki but I don't really get what some of it is talking about
[19:15] <CPrompt^> I guess ATSC is the way to go
[19:15] <mrand> Do you have a STB that you are capturing from, or are you trying to go over the air?
[19:15] <CPrompt^> STB?
[19:15] <mrand> or QAM directly from cable.
[19:15] <CPrompt^> cable
[19:15] <mrand> set-top-box  (dish or cable)
[19:16] <CPrompt^> no, no STB
[19:16] <CPrompt^> just cable into the house
[19:16] <CPrompt^> they run it from the line outside into the house
[19:16] <mrand> ok, so you either want over the air or QAM (Which means only free channels)
[19:16] <CPrompt^> what is QAM?
[19:17] <mrand> ATSC is over the air digital.  QAM is digital over cable.
[19:17] <CPrompt^> ah yes.  QAM is it then
[19:17] <rhpot1991> analog is dead/dying too, so that might hurt your choices
[19:17] <CPrompt^> actually Time Warner went digital.  does that matter?
[19:18] <rhpot1991> for QAM I'd recommend a HDHR
[19:18] <rhpot1991> well CPrompt^ most likely you cannot receive any digital channels except your locals unless you have some sort of stb
[19:18] <mrand> for either ATSC or QAM, HDHR is the favorite, by far.  But it's closer to $120 or so I think.   Maybe on sale for a bit cheaper from time to time.  Or get a discount using bing cashback on ebay.
[19:19] <rhpot1991> 150 I thought
[19:19] <rhpot1991> or the last time I checked
[19:19] <CPrompt^> so on the list of cards here : http://bit.ly/apAOLu I should probably start with the ATSC
[19:19] <Zinn> [bit.ly] Video capture card - MythTV
[19:20] <rhpot1991> the extra cash is worth avoiding the headaches though :)
[19:20] <mrand> Google products lists $130.  If you go with the single tuner model, new egg has it for $100
[19:20] <CPrompt^> i don't see HDHR in the list of cards on that page
[19:20] <rhpot1991> Silicondust HDHomeRun (MythTV >= 0.20) (8-VSB/QAM64/QAM256)
[19:20] <rhpot1991> its there
[19:21] <rhpot1991> also splurge for the 2 tuner, you will thank me later
[19:21] <mrand> hahah
[19:21] <CPrompt^> that says it's an external HDTV tuner??
[19:22] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: they have a page where you can check and see what channels you can get
[19:22] <mrand> It's Ethernet based.
[19:22] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: ya it runs on your network
[19:22] <CPrompt^> ah
[19:22] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us
[19:22] <Zinn> [www.silicondust.com] hdhomerun/channels - Silicondust
[19:23] <mrand> bbl
[19:27] <CPrompt^> what about something like this : http://bit.ly/93jVxh
[19:27] <Zinn> [bit.ly] Newegg.com - Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600 ATSC/ClearQAM/NTSC TV Tuner MC-Kit 1183 PCI Interface - TV Tuners & Video Devices
[19:28] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: in theory it should work well for you
[19:29] <rhpot1991> I'm pretty sure that card is supported out of the box now
[19:29] <CPrompt^> i wold just like to have the computer and that's it.  Not another box sitting there.  That thing looks really nice though
[19:29] <CPrompt^> if I had more room, then it would be cool
[19:29] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: well with the HDHR you can put it anywhere on your network
[19:29] <rhpot1991> in your garage/attic/basement/bathroom/wherever
[19:30] <CPrompt^> oh
[19:30] <rhpot1991> I personally put mine right next to my backend, but personal preference
[19:30] <rhpot1991> either one should work with you, but with the HDHR you have the added bonus that 3 of the main developers here use that so its tested extra well every release
[19:31] <CPrompt^> good point
[19:31] <rhpot1991> CPrompt^: you could always just watch for a sale
[19:31] <CPrompt^> BestBuy has it for $100 which isn't bad
[19:32] <rhpot1991> the HDHR does mulri-rec too, not sure if the others do, so you can record more than 2 shows at once if the channels align correctly
[19:32] <CPrompt^> silly question I guess but how does the "cable" get into the Silicone box?
[19:32] <CPrompt^> if it's on my network and not going through my actual cable
[19:32] <rhpot1991> 2 cable jacks on the back of it
[19:32] <CPrompt^> oh!  so it does need to have access to the cable line just like a TV
[19:33] <rhpot1991> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=15-327-005-S04&ISList=15-327-005-S01%2c15-327-005-S02%2c15-327-005-S03%2c15-327-005-S04%2c15-327-005-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16815327005&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=SiliconDust%20HDHomeRun%20Network-based%20Dual%20Digital%20HDTV%20Tuner%20Ethernet%20Interface
[19:33] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more!
[19:33] <rhpot1991> thats a shot of the back of it
[19:34] <CPrompt^> ok.  so the network part is just to interface with the MythTV box
[19:35] <rhpot1991> yes
[19:35] <rhpot1991> the tuners are avialable to anything on your network
[19:35] <rhpot1991> so your mythbox, or if you want silicon dust has a configuration gui that will launch vlc to watch
[19:36] <rhpot1991> which we are shipping with lucid
[19:36] <CPrompt^> great.  thanks for all the information.  all the ATSC and QAM etc...were starting to really confuse me
[19:36] <CPrompt^> VLC is going to be in Lucid?
[19:36] <CPrompt^> awesome
[19:37] <rhpot1991> vlc is in ubuntu already, I meant the HDHR config GUI
[19:39] <CPrompt^> is it?  LOL  I thought I installed it on Karmic
[19:44] <mrand> CPrompt^: the one(s) for $100 are single tuner... only one cable input.  I'd side with rhpot1991 and encourage you to pay a few extra bucks for the dual input.
[19:54] <mrand> The single tuner looks to be available for $80 to $90
[19:55] <rhpot1991> double tuner is cheaper than 2x single tuners
[19:56] <rhpot1991> invest now, worry less later


  I'm still not quite the same person I was before that.
[00:13] <diddledan> daftykins: as in the service providing dynamic dns or the service the ddns hostname points to?
[00:14] <daftykins> well, i get a timeout trying to SSH to a client's box, that's all i truly know
[00:14] <diddledan> aah
[00:15] <daftykins> i haven't quite gotten around to getting them to pay for no-ip, so he forwards me the renew emails instead
[00:15] <daftykins> i got one just the other day and did the captcha, but oddly it doesn't seem to be around
[00:15] <daftykins> i might just be doing something silly, my heads not quite right since the accident still :/
[00:15] <daftykins> i need to start taking notes of clients setups such as port configs, so i don't rely on my memory
[01:32] <diddledan> anyone around who knows about floppies?
[01:32] <diddledan> specifically really ancient 360KB 5.25inchers
[01:32] <ali1234> a bit
[01:32] <diddledan> ubuntu 14.04.1 won't recognise them
[01:33] <daftykins> lol
[01:33] <diddledan> I can correctly boot off an msdos disk but ubuntu won't mount the same disk stating that fd0 isn't a valid block device
[01:33] <ali1234> it might be a usb device
[01:34] <diddledan> o_O
[01:34] <diddledan> what would usb have to do with things?
[01:34] <ali1234> motherboard chipsets don't have floppy drive controllers built in any more
[01:34] <diddledan> this motherboard does tho
[01:35] <diddledan> you can't get usb adapters for 5.25inch drives
[01:35] <ali1234> well, quite
[01:53] <ali1234> did the mysql password hashing change between ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04?
[02:53] <diddledan> ali1234: it might have, tho I would expect any older password hashes would still be supported for auth
[02:53] <ali1234> nope
[02:54] <ali1234> got to reset all the passwords
[02:54] <diddledan> grr
[07:09] <popey> [A
[07:09] <popey> Morning
[07:25] <diplo> Morning
[07:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:30] <DJones> I'll make up the quorum and confirm it is Morning
[07:48] <smittix> Well that game idea hit a brick wall.
[07:50] <popey> game idea?
[07:52] <smittix> heh http://fpaste.org/132930/14104688/
[07:52] <smittix> Was messing around with Python
[07:53] <popey> heeh
[07:53] <popey> I was playing with an HTML5 game creator thing recently
[07:53] <smittix> I just sat there last night bored so started creating that. It'd look quite good in that old terminal application.
[07:54] <smittix> I will have to add the games list and what not and see what to do from there. May have to watch the movie again.
[08:16] <popey> Happy birthday JamesTait
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Stand Up To Cancer Day! :-D
[08:18] <marxjohnson> I've just turned my laptop on to find it's treating the keyboard as US layout, even though it's set to UK
[08:19] <JamesTait> I read an e-mail thread about that recently, that I think suggested there was a bug.
[08:20] <JamesTait> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2014-September/037881.html
[08:23] <marxjohnson> aha, cheers
[08:23] <marxjohnson> I'm doing a dist-upgrade now so we'll see if that fixes it...
[08:53] <marxjohnson> Hrm nope still not right.
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/12/glossary-internet-4chan-lolcats-buzzfeed-zynga
[08:59] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Hmmh "IRC – internet relay chat, the protocol that allows IMs" So thats what IRC is.... Think it misses the point
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> DJones: well, it's the original IM :)
[09:01] <DJones> I can understand that argument, but does seem to understate what it actually is
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> True, but it's an article for "normal" people :)
[09:03] <DJones> I still think they'd have been better describing IRC as an instant messaging service using the multiplayer notepad system
[09:24] <DJones> Hah, Pressgazette launches petition to stop authorities "spying" on journalists phone records.........Seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black
[10:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> Email from my VPS
[10:36] <bigcalm> /etc/cron.daily/apt:
[10:36] <bigcalm> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[10:36] <bigcalm> I don't think that's a happy result
[10:36] <Laney> the dying cry of an apt in distress
[10:37] <Laney> where's your super cow powers now? huh?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I found a server the other day where crond hadn't started for months
[10:40] <SuperMatt> didn't come back after a reboot either
[10:40]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[10:40] <SuperMatt> stragely it started fine when I ran the init script
[10:40]  * popey looks for a good onion soup recipe. i haz too many onions
[10:41] <bigcalm> I have MariaDB installed on my VPS. Just done a dist-upgrade and it's warning me that it's going to migrate the config from MySQL. Most odd
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: toasted cheese and onion sandwiches
[10:41] <popey> i have cheddar and edam, so that's a possibility
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: caramelised onions
[10:42] <bigcalm> 6 large red onions makes for a good batch of caramelised onions
[10:43] <bigcalm> Anybody here running Ubuntu 14.04.1 on a 32bit machine?
[10:44] <bigcalm> I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8326169/
[10:48] <popey> bug 1320563
[10:49] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:49]  * bigcalm reads
[10:51] <bigcalm> Yep, Bytemark use a KVM kernel
[10:51] <bigcalm> Now to see if they have a kernel close to 3.13.0
[10:52] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:52] <bigcalm> uname says that it's using 3.2.60
[10:54] <bigcalm> Humg
[10:54] <bigcalm> Humf
[10:55] <bigcalm> The highest the VPS has to offer is 3.4.92
[10:57] <bigcalm> Well, that worked
[10:57] <bigcalm> popey: thanks
[10:58] <popey> np
[11:16] <SuperMatt> for some strange reason, I can't load the gnome-shell control panel
[11:16] <SuperMatt> what's the process name for that?
[11:17] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I don't know I don't use gnome-shell
[11:18] <SuperMatt> looks like gnome-control-center was uninstalled somehow
[11:19]  * brobostigon has been using gnome3 for ages now.
[11:20] <SuperMatt> I started using it at work because our dual screen 19" monitors + cruddy graphics cards meant that unity ran slow
[11:23] <SuperMatt> I'm now thinking of moving to opensuse factory so I can have a rolling release, and therefore get the new versions of gnome quicker
[11:40] <foobarry> have you used opensuse before? i found it ....odd
[11:40] <foobarry> and buggy and annoying
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I put it on my home desktop last night
[11:40] <SuperMatt> I think factory has a space for me because it's rolling and because it's quite solid
[11:40] <SuperMatt> and it uses yum which I know well
[11:41] <SuperMatt> I don't know pacman enough to use arch
[11:42] <foobarry> it also uses that weird yast crap
[11:42] <foobarry> i really wanted to like it but hated it
[11:43] <foobarry> it should be intuitive to switch distros but this wasn't, even though the DE was the same
[11:43] <foobarry> maybe its changed in a few years since i tried
[11:44] <foobarry> actually last one i tried would even boot on my machine!
[11:44] <foobarry> *not
[11:45] <SuperMatt> I find opensuse interesting because it seems to lie between the rhel and debian ways of doing things
[11:45] <SuperMatt> I just want to find out if they're taking the best things of each
[11:51] <nigelb> Happy Birthday JamesTait!
[11:53] <JamesTait> THanks, nigelb. :)
[11:54] <nigelb> Or should I say, happy JamesTait day :D
[11:56] <JamesTait> Oooh, that sounds scary!
[11:57] <foobarry> wondering if i can justify buying a picture book for ~£35
[11:58] <popey> a wat?
[11:58] <foobarry> a book. printed one. with art in it
[11:59] <JamesTait> A bookbook!
[11:59] <foobarry> because my stupid/lovely library doesn't stock them
[12:00] <JamesTait> http://youtu.be/MOXQo7nURs0
[12:00] <foobarry> there's about 3 i want, so ideally i need to find a bookbookshop to peruse and browse
[12:01] <foobarry> but only central london would have that variety :(
[12:05] <intrbiz> foobarry: I use openSUSE, which version did you try?
[12:07] <foobarry>  You can place a reservation for stock held within this London Libraries Consortium [LLC] catalogue for free
[12:07] <foobarry> oh cool
[12:07] <foobarry> intrbiz: 5yrs ago :D
[12:07] <intrbiz> ah ok
[12:07] <foobarry> maybe 2011
[12:07] <intrbiz> 11.x then I guess
[12:08] <intrbiz> yum is no more in suse, replaced with zypper
[12:09] <foobarry> yes, i had zypper and yast to deal with
[12:09] <foobarry> i never saw yum inside suse
[12:09] <intrbiz> zypper is probably the best package manager around
[12:09] <foobarry> "A 40p fee is payable for requesting an item". when is free not free?
[12:09] <intrbiz> yast is interesting, it's been rewritten in 13.1 +
[12:10] <intrbiz> ported to ruby
[12:10] <foobarry> also the firewall config sucks royally on suse
[12:10] <intrbiz> yup, that is easily fixed with: zypper in shorewall
[12:11] <foobarry> had to make a change on a VM appliance made with suse factory thing
[12:11] <foobarry> fw was hideous
[12:11] <intrbiz> haha
[12:12] <intrbiz> mageia had a very good FW setup and tools
[12:13] <foobarry> i tend to use more standard distro as i use them in enterprise too
[12:14] <foobarry> rhel/centos/ubuntu/debian
[12:14] <intrbiz> sure, I've drifted away from mageia, mainly use openSUSE with some centos / debian / ubuntu as needed
[12:18] <foobarry> whats the old name for mageia again?
[12:19] <intrbiz> Mandrake -> Mandriva -> Mageia
[12:19] <intrbiz> Mandriva was when Mandrake merged with Conectiva and a legal case forced a name change
[12:20] <intrbiz> Mageia was the community fork
[12:20] <intrbiz> there is also OpenMandriva, which doesn't seem to have much traction
[12:32] <foobarry> heh
[13:01] <bigcalm> intrbiz: mobile internet still more reliable than your home connection eh?
[13:19] <intrbiz> bigcalm: certainly faster in an area with good coverage
[13:24] <diddledan> now. a floppy drive that works fine via bios to boot a floppy (5.25inch 360KB drive) seems to io error on ubuntu 14.04
[13:25] <diddledan> dmesg correctly reports that the floppy drive is a 360KB unit
[13:26] <diddledan> but dmesg says there's io error when trying to mount it
[13:26] <bigcalm> Wow, having fun with old hardware there
[13:27] <diddledan> bigcalm: yeah, I want to archive all my hundreds of floppies
[13:27] <diddledan> before the hardware to access them completely disappears off the planet
[14:30]  * bigcalm tickles christel :)
[14:35] <diddledan> bigcalm: you flirty
[14:36] <diddledan> --y
[14:37] <christel> hello bigcalm :)
[15:09] <davmor2> christel: hello ;)
[15:09] <davmor2> :) even
[17:10] <diddledan> I've got my floppy mounted!
[17:11] <diddledan> \o/
[17:11] <intrbiz> diddledan: is it USB?
[17:11] <diddledan> I had to tell the kernel that the disk change line doesn't exist
[17:11] <diddledan> intrbiz: no
[17:12] <diddledan> intrbiz: it's an old 5.25 inch 360KB unit
[17:13] <intrbiz> sure, just wondered how you were connecting it
[17:14] <bigcalm> I assume via an old mobo with a FD interface
[17:14] <diddledan> direct to the mobo's fdc
[17:14] <diddledan> you can't get usb connected 5.25 drives or adapters
[17:16] <intrbiz> don't 5.25" and 3.5" drives share the same bus
[17:16] <diddledan> yes they do
[17:17] <diddledan> but your controller chip needs to know how to drive it
[17:17] <diddledan> usb adapters for 3.5inch drives don't have the smarts to drive an older drive
[17:18] <intrbiz> ok
[17:18] <diddledan> floppy isn't the same as hdd - you need to specify exactly where the head should position itself via the protocol - you can't just say "I want block x" instead you say "move head to position 152 and spin the disk to 270degrees
[17:20] <diddledan> it's for this very capability that copyprotection methods could be created which rely on a spiral track instead of a circular track as is normal
[17:31] <ali1234> PC controller chips don't know how to read spiral floppies tho
[17:32] <ali1234> which is why they can't read amiga disks etc, even though the drive hardware is identical
[17:50] <diddledan> it's working nicely now with the disk change line disabled
[17:51] <diddledan> getting lots of usable data off these floppies now
[18:02] <shauno> I'm almost curious what you're keeping on 5.25" disks that you'd still call usable :p
[20:46] <Giulianoc> Hello I have a ibm x31 thinkpad with ubuntu 10.10 ,Can you help to nstall xubuntu 12.04 , please?
[20:50] <diddledan> oh golly that's ancient
[20:51] <diddledan> that's gonna be a pain to bring up-to-date without wiping and starting anew
[20:53] <Giulianoc> I do not have a problem to wipe the system since I cannot run any update through the update manager and install the 12.04 -14.04 Ubuntus os because not syupported pae
[20:53] <Giulianoc> Hence xubuntu 12.04
[20:58] <ali1234> is there a tool that will format mysqldump output so it isn't all one line and i can grep it?
[21:00] <diddledan> ali1234: mysqldump can be told not to do that
[21:00] <ali1234> too late for that now :(
[21:00] <Giulianoc> Thanks for your prompt response, apology but I do not understand the question:format mysqldump output so it isn't all one line and i can grep it?
[21:02] <daftykins> Giulianoc: backup your data and clean install
[21:02] <diddledan> ali1234: for the future you can add --skip-extended-insert to the mysqldump commandline - I guess if it's not humungous you could import it into a blank db and re-export it?
[21:02] <ali1234> yeah the thing is it isn't importing properly
[21:02] <ali1234> that's what i'm trying to fix
[21:04] <ali1234> i have a set of daily, weekly, monthly backups and i am tryin to figure out which ones are okay and which ones are bad
[21:04] <ali1234> and why half the tables disappeared
[21:06] <Giulianoc> how?
[21:08] <Azelphur> Does anyone know (or know anyone who would know) how to add custom emblems to nautilus, for the purposes of a nautilus plugin?
[21:08] <Azelphur> the documentation is useless :(
[21:09] <ali1234> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10874702/gnome-where-does-nautilus-store-emblem-data-and-how
[21:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: ty :)
[21:30] <Giulianoc> Does anyone know how create a pae, please?
[21:30] <Azelphur> create a pae? physical address extension?
[21:30] <Azelphur> what are you actually trying to do? the question doesn't make much sense
[21:32] <Giulianoc> on my ubuntu version 10.10 I cannot install any new system because my pc x31 ib,m thinkpad has no pae
[21:32] <Giulianoc> yes create a pae ty
[21:34] <Giulianoc> or have an os ubuntu that does need one
[21:41] <Giulianoc> please help
[22:33] <diddledan> WHEEEEE


[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[15:15] <AkivaAvraham> is there a session today?
[15:17] <dholbach> AkivaAvraham, yep, starting in 43m AFAIK
[15:17] <AkivaAvraham> dholbach, cool whos on today? Bzoltan?
[15:17] <dholbach> balloons in any case :)
[15:18] <AkivaAvraham> oh balloons is awesome!
[15:23] <dholbach> yes :)
[15:52] <Pricey> names
[15:52] <AkivaAvraham> o/
[15:53] <mixailflash> Hi. I want to create my desktop application for Ubuntu. But I can't find tutorial how I can do it.
[15:53] <mixailflash> Please, help me.
[15:54] <justCarakas1> o/ AkivaAvraham
[15:54] <AkivaAvraham> justCarakas1, hey!
[15:54] <cipiripper> I have a question for Ubuntu team: Will you ever drop Unity for PCs - because it is designed for use on friggin tablets?
[15:54] <justCarkas> how is the coffee hangover AkivaAvraham
[15:55] <AkivaAvraham> justCarkas, oh that was a wacked out night. I handle tea much better
[15:55] <mixailflash> Hi. I want to create my desktop application for Ubuntu. But I can't find tutorial how I can do it.
[15:55] <cipiripper> bots...
[15:55] <AkivaAvraham> cipiripper, hey when it starts up, you need to append all questions you have with "QUESTION: " that will signal to them that there is a question that needs answering
[15:56] <justCarkas> AkivaAvraham: tea is the beverage of sophisticated people
[15:56] <tim-on-ubuntu> is there no live stream??
[15:56] <AkivaAvraham> mixailflash, hey after the session come to #ubuntu-app-devel, and i'll walk you through it.
[15:56] <popey> tim-on-ubuntu: not yet, 5 mins
[15:56] <AkivaAvraham> it starts in 4 minutes apparently
[15:56]  * balloons lets the excitement build
[15:56] <AkivaAvraham> balloons is apparently running it
[15:56] <tim-on-ubuntu> ok, thx!
[15:57] <balloons> you'll get mhall119 and myself live in a few moments
[15:57] <balloons> :-)
[15:57] <justCarkas> tuuu tadatata tadatatata tadatatataaaa datatatatatataaaaaa the final count down
[15:57] <balloons> err moments = minutes
[15:58] <justCarkas> 2 minutes whooooo
[15:58] <sktguha> In unity interface when will you make it more configurable to put taskbar at bottom like in windows ??
[15:58] <iBobX> Hi
[15:58] <popey> hello
[15:58] <justCarkas> \o/
[15:58] <mixailflash> hi
[15:58] <imnichol> sktguha, Start your question with "QUESTION" to signal that you're asking a question
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[15:59] <balloons> lol justCarkas
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[16:00] <justCarkas> \o\
[16:00] <imnichol> "Starting Soon...."
[16:00] <justCarkas> \o/
[16:00] <justCarkas>  /o/
[16:00] <justCarkas> im so exited, and I just can't hide it
[16:01] <dholbach> *\o/*
[16:01] <justCarkas> I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
[16:01] <soopadoopa> o_O
[16:01] <dholbach> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:01] <justCarkas> party hard, live stream harder
[16:01] <justCarkas> AkivaAvraham: my turn for a sugar overdose :p
[16:02] <dholbach> http://media.giphy.com/media/p5PbvWBuugpUI/giphy.gif
[16:02] <AkivaAvraham> lol
[16:02] <cfhowlett> that ain't right, man
[16:02] <imnichol> QUESTION: So mhall119 you live in the USA, does that mean you won't be able to get one of the phones they're releasing?
[16:02] <OerHeks> Question: should bug #1 be extended with Android?
[16:02] <balloons> question time, we're live!
[16:03] <cfhowlett> imnichol, I'm in china if anyone wants the meizu.
[16:03] <justCarkas> we see you
[16:03] <dholbach> QUESTION: One for balloons: do you have pics of those 111 trees?
[16:03] <imnichol> cfhowlett, can I set it up on the Sprint USA networks?  Because if so that would rock
[16:03] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam
[16:03] <justCarkas> whooohoooo mhall119 on ubuntu-on-air clap your hands whooohoooo
[16:03] <cfhowlett> imnichol, as I understand it, it'll be unlocked so ...
[16:04] <shadeslayer> QUESTION: There were plans to get a rolling release suite (devel), any news on that?
[16:04] <imnichol> cfhowlett, Don't they use different frequencies though?
[16:04] <justCarkas> I should have a sugar test connected to chatting in irc :p the higher the sugar the less I can type
[16:04] <soopadoopa> QUESTION: any plans for Ubuntu snappy Desktop?
[16:04] <dholbach> balloons, oh.. and speaking of UGJ: advertise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Snappy please :)
[16:04] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[16:04] <balloons> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/globaljam/
[16:04] <balloons> linkys ^^
[16:05] <justCarkas> QUESTION sooooo The new raspberry pi, does it run ubuntu next / phone / whatsInAName
[16:05] <cfhowlett> imnichol, all modern unlocked phones have multiple frequencies. the "international" versions of unlocked phones should include gsm.  china uses a variant, but the uphone should be gsm friendly for global use
[16:05] <imnichol> cfhowlett, thanks!
[16:05] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Snappy
[16:06] <dholbach> yes yes yes :)
[16:06] <dholbach> the great thing is: in the beginning you don't even need a device, you can play around with it using kvm too
[16:06] <tim-on-ubuntu> QUESTION Let´s talk about the ubuntu phone...  what can we expect from bq?
[16:06] <justCarkas> ubuntu snappy = http://i.giphy.com/V61ogXFB3vPVe.gif
[16:07] <soopadoopa> QUESTION: what will happen to Ubuntu Software Center in Ubuntu 16.04?
[16:07] <Durantula> What other distro do you use? What are your thoughts on Arch ?
[16:07] <MilanKarki> hello...godd morning/afternoon/evening
[16:07] <Gadileth> QUESTION: When will the ubuntu phone porting guide be updated?
[16:07] <justCarkas> QUESTION how does the BQ phone hold up to the nexus 4, is it wurth the upgrade ?
[16:08] <MA_> Does ubuntu collect personnal informations from our PCs ?
[16:08] <hi> no
[16:09] <MilanKarki> Only thing I am waiting for is Ubuntu phone OS in my device...Just need a guide to setup in motorola moto g
[16:09] <popey> All there is is android if you aren't Apple
[16:09] <popey> If you're an OEM or ODM, your _only_ option really is Android
[16:10] <soopadoopa> QUSTION: can we haz more fat click packages? not all apps are available on x86
[16:10] <popey> soopadoopa: +1
[16:10] <MA_> @Guest1809 How to make sure ? not all the source code is available
[16:10] <ZioTron_> Hi all! QUESTION: How much in your opinion is Compiz responsible for the actual rise of GNU/Linux and Android in current days
[16:11] <OerHeks> Thank you for the answer, Michael Hall, Nicolas Skagge
[16:12] <tim-on-ubuntu> QUESTION Can we expect a collaboration with cyanogenmod for something like ubuntu for android/cyanogenmod?
[16:13] <logcat7> QUESTION: How will you ensure that updates are delivered promptly on Ubuntu Touch?
[16:13] <talky> QUESTION:Will Cononical make a game consol,like an ubuntu steam os edition
[16:14] <dholbach> isn't "devel" a symlink that's there?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> dholbach: Does that work? :D
[16:14] <shadeslayer> I mean, wasn't it experimental?
[16:14] <dholbach> never tried it
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ^^ :D
[16:14] <dholbach> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel/
[16:14] <dholbach> :)
[16:14] <dholbach> worth checking out :-P
[16:14] <Knightmare> QUESTION:Are there any plans to implement a profile system for easy migration(apps, settings, etc) between devices?
[16:14] <bernhardiner> :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer> dholbach: yeah, even the PPA's have it, but the question is, it was never officially announced, so how reliable is it :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer> does anyone use it, etc
[16:15] <AkivaAvraham> QUESTION: I heard there is a new Package Type. We have Debian Packages, Click Packages, and now something else? Whats the reason for this new package?
[16:15] <dholbach> shadeslayer, if you try it, let me know how it goes :-P
[16:15] <AkivaAvraham> erm ignore that
[16:15] <shadeslayer> heh :D
[16:15] <yanpas> Hi! Currently unity 8 apps on the desktops looks like mobile apps. Will they be modified to look like classic desktop apps? Will they be able to recognize DPI?
[16:16] <beisheim> :)
[16:16] <yanpas> QUESTION: (duplicate) Hi! Currently unity 8 apps on the desktops looks like mobile apps. Will they be modified to look like classic desktop apps? Will they be able to recognize DPI?
[16:16] <Knightmare> QUESTION:When will work begin on the tablet to get it up to RTM quality?
[16:17] <talky> QUESTION:When or will ubuntu come with pacman?
[16:17] <beisheim> u can search google for pacman for Linuux
[16:17] <talky> QUESTION:
[16:18] <AkivaAvraham> QUESTION: Any word on a north american phone?
[16:18] <talky> beisheim ubuntu comes with apt,I've tried to install pacman in ubuntu but I couldn't find anything.Arch linux comes with it
[16:19] <popey> hahaha
[16:19] <Knightmare> Does the media player app support mp4?
[16:19] <popey> glad to see mhall119 is cruising :)
[16:19] <beisheim> talky okay
[16:19] <popey> Knightmare: x264, yes.
[16:19] <Knightmare> Cool thanks popey
[16:20] <talky> QUESTION:Are you illuminaty?
[16:20] <beisheim> ?
[16:21] <alci63> Is there a central place to understand how snappy / juju / LXD / ... interact ?
[16:21] <AkivaAvraham> QUESTION: Will flash be depricated from Ubuntu? If yes; how will you do ubuntu-on-air??
[16:22] <danielbe> Will it be possible to install third-party click-files on ubuntu touch  without going throw the command line (i.e. like an Android, where it's possible to activate the option "allow installation from third party sources")
[16:22] <beisheim> from where they send Ubuntu On Air?
[16:22] <talky> AkivaAvraham HTML5 can do the same things that flash can
[16:23] <AkivaAvraham> talky, no it can't. HTML5 can't stream
[16:23] <AkivaAvraham> youtube uses flash to stream
[16:23] <AkivaAvraham> danielbe, append "QUESTION: " to your question and ask again. Otherwise they wont' see it
[16:24] <OerHeks> AkivaAvraham, sure html5 can do flash content.
[16:24] <AkivaAvraham> OerHeks, but not streaming.
[16:24] <talky> AkivaAvraham it also uses HTML 5.The mobile version uses html 5 and browser version will do it soon
[16:24] <danielbe> Question: Will it be possible to install third-party click-files on ubuntu touch  without going throw the command line (i.e. like an Android, where it's possible to activate the option "allow installation from third party sources")
[16:24] <Knightmare> QUESTION:Are there any plans for the document viewer to support epub?
[16:24] <AkivaAvraham> talky, but not for streaming.
[16:24] <danielbe> QUESTION: Will it be possible to install third-party click-files on ubuntu touch  without going throw the command line (i.e. like an Android, where it's possible to activate the option "allow installation from third party sources")
[16:24] <AkivaAvraham> danielbe, yep good job :)
[16:24] <beisheim>  yeah
[16:25] <talky> AkivaAvraham Its am matter of time,they will,
[16:25] <beisheim> ....
[16:25] <alci63> QUESTION: any schedule for a Meizu phone ? (nothing announce on 2015/01/28)
[16:25] <AkivaAvraham> talky, maybe. I don't know the architecture framework.
[16:26] <OerHeks> beisheim, from their home(s)
[16:26] <justCarkas> QUESTION how is the battery life on the BQ ?
[16:26] <beisheim> i hope its good
[16:26] <dholbach> balloons, take pictures of your trees and your garden!
[16:26] <beisheim> :)
[16:27] <beisheim> nice back!!!!!!!
[16:27] <talky> AkivaAvraham http://www.pcgamer.com/youtube-ditches-flash-for-html5-as-default-player/
[16:27] <dholbach> :-)
[16:27] <beisheim> i have a g too ;)
[16:27] <AkivaAvraham> talky, ah!
[16:27] <justCarkas> mhall119: my nexus 4 has its 4th screen atm :) backglass has never broken for me :p
[16:27] <beisheim> :)))))))
[16:28] <popey> balloons: needs sdk support, stat!
[16:29] <AkivaAvraham> QUESTION: Will we have to bundle a python interpreter with every app that uses python, or will we eventually have a shared interpreter any app can use?
[16:29] <balloons> here's the bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1398104
[16:29] <imnichol> QUESTION: can you advertise the events on ubuntuonair further ahead of time?  I always seem to find out an hour before they happen
[16:29] <soopadoopa> thanks :D
[16:30] <dholbach> balloons, https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-reviewers-tools/+bug/1395204 is fixed!
[16:30] <balloons> dholbach, indeed, ty for that!
[16:30] <popey> thats not the bug surely?
[16:30] <beisheim> from where do you send the stream?
[16:30] <dholbach> or were we talking about a different bug?
[16:30] <popey> the sdk doesn't build multi-arch packages
[16:30] <popey> thats the bug that should be fixed
[16:31] <dholbach> zbenjamin, ^ do you know about multi-arch improvements in the sdk? is there a bug for it?
[16:32] <beisheim> bye bye
[16:32] <AkivaAvraham> imnichol, lol I got banned from #ubuntu for advertising it, literally once.
[16:32] <talky> QUESTION:Will ubuntu one cloud storage return now that the phone is coming
[16:33] <imnichol> AkivaAvraham, aren't you an Ubuntu member?
[16:33] <ubuntu-user> QUESTION: Hi Michael, is there any update regarding Meizu and Ubuntu on phones?
[16:33] <AkivaAvraham> imnichol, not yet :P
[16:33] <logcat7> Sounds good
[16:33] <justCarkas> I vote for canonical giving AkivaAvraham a job
[16:34] <redlama42> Hey, just joined. Have people already asked about Unity8?
[16:34] <AkivaAvraham> justCarkas, i'm not good enough of a programmer yet :P
[16:34] <AkivaAvraham> redlama42, ask again :)
[16:34] <PaulW2U> imnichol: http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/
[16:34] <popey> AkivaAvraham: yeah, don't do that. #ubuntu is for support, not marketing.
[16:35] <AkivaAvraham> PaulW2U, yah but that is not updated mhall119
[16:35] <AkivaAvraham> mhall119, http://ubuntuonair.com/calendar/ needs to be updated :P
[16:35] <dakira> Will we ever be able to buy Landscape without a full support contract?
[16:36] <AkivaAvraham> dakira, you need to append "QUESTION: " to that, otherwise they won't see it
[16:36] <dakira> QUESTION: Will we ever be able to buy Landscape without a full support contract?
[16:36] <logcat7> QUESTION: Do you plan to support devices that aren't officially intended to run Ubuntu Touch (e.g. Nexus devices, HTC, LG, etc.) or will it just be left to the community?
[16:36] <dakira> AkivaAvraham: thanks ;)
[16:36] <ubuntu-user> Akiva, was my question framed correctly?
[16:36] <AkivaAvraham> !cookie | dakira
[16:37] <AkivaAvraham> ubuntu-user, erm.... sec
[16:37] <AkivaAvraham> ubuntu-user, yessum!
[16:37] <ubuntu-user> Avikva, thanks mate :-)
[16:37] <AkivaAvraham> yes
[16:38] <Nothing_Much> restrictions?
[16:39] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, yah by app armor
[16:39] <ubuntu-user> QUESTION: Will snappy assist Ubuntu on the desktop getting up-to-date end user programs eg. VLC et al?
[16:39] <redlama42> QUESTION: How customizable is the Unity 8 UI? Will I finally be able to set a .gif or video as a wallpaper?
[16:39] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, so for example; if your click app uses python code, you can't use the python intepreter in your phone.
[16:39] <AkivaAvraham> you have to bundle your own python interpreter.
[16:40] <AkivaAvraham> redlama42, lol! I think you could already do that. XWinWrap allowed you to set screensavers as backgrounds.
[16:40] <Nothing_Much> AkivaAvraham: oh okay, so that restriction is for bringing in your own library thing, right?
[16:41] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, yah there are a few things. Its basically sandboxing your app in, so you don't have to rely as much on dependencies, and so it is safer.
[16:41] <AkivaAvraham> Will be much more secure than android afaik
[16:41] <Nothing_Much> AkivaAvraham: yes
[16:41] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, i'm not an android dev so I can't say that with any authority. How about yourself?
[16:42] <redlama42> AkivaAvraham: Nah, it doesn't work right. It stays above the launcher unless their is a program running above it.
[16:42] <Nothing_Much> AkivaAvraham: idk i'm not a dev at all lol
[16:42] <AkivaAvraham> go nik90 !
[16:42] <harry_> hai
[16:42] <AkivaAvraham> redlama42, oh you've tried xwinwrap?
[16:42] <AkivaAvraham> harry_, hi o/
[16:42] <redlama42> AkivaAvraham: Yea.
[16:43] <AkivaAvraham> redlama42, ah :< too bad
[16:43] <AkivaAvraham> units.gu() for the win!
[16:43] <justCarkas> QUESTION from what date can we order the BQ phone
[16:44] <ubuntu-user> justCarckas, I believe it's meant to be the 6th of this month :-)
[16:44] <isantop> QUESTION: When can we expect an x86 Tablet image
[16:44] <AkivaAvraham> isantop, i heard there already is one by intel
[16:45] <ikonia> AkivaAvraham: intel are not making ubuntu tablet images
[16:45] <AkivaAvraham> ikonia, its intel architecture thats what I mean
[16:45] <ikonia> AkivaAvraham: that wasn't the question
[16:45] <ubuntu-user> wouldn't the regular Ubuntu image work on an x86 tablet?
[16:46] <AkivaAvraham> :D
[16:46] <Nothing_Much> Iluminarty?
[16:46] <justCarkas> AkivaAvraham: since you are helping ppl, if you see my concentration, plz send it back
[16:46] <AkivaAvraham> ubuntu-user, good question :P
[16:46] <isantop> ubuntu-user: It does, but it takes a lot of work to make it tablet-able. It still isn't quite there.
[16:46] <Nothing_Much> yes we need flash
[16:46] <Nothing_Much> :C
[16:46] <ubuntu-user> once Unity 8 is default then hopefully regular Ubuntu will detect and adjust
[16:46] <ubuntu-user> on installation
[16:46] <Nothing_Much> HTML5 video doesn't work for streaming yet :(
[16:47] <ubuntu-user> so a custom spin shouldn't be required
[16:47] <justCarkas> mhall119: just tried it out :) you still need flash
[16:47] <OerHeks> AkivaAvraham, see, flash can do streaming.
[16:47] <AkivaAvraham> OerHeks, alas you are right
[16:47] <AkivaAvraham> What about homestar runner?!
[16:47] <Nothing_Much> That's depressing
[16:47] <OerHeks> only for youtube though
[16:47] <Nothing_Much> AkivaAvraham: Homestar Runner needs to die if they still use Flash
[16:47] <ikonia> is there not someone from the ubuntu project in control of this session ?
[16:47] <dholbach> no, I don't think the security team would like that
[16:48] <ikonia> ahhh there is
[16:48] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, opensource greg won't like that.
[16:48] <Nothing_Much> greg?
[16:49] <AkivaAvraham> Nothing_Much, sec... http://www.homestarrunner.com/4gregs.html
[16:49] <popey> yes, ubuntu on air works on ubuntu phone http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2015-02-03-164658.png :D
[16:49] <talky> QUESTION:Is cononical planong on releasing it's custom graphical backend
[16:49] <popey> full screen too! http://popey.mooo.com/screenshots/device-2015-02-03-164737.png
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> popey: is that recorded or live?
[16:49] <popey> its live
[16:50] <Nothing_Much> woah
[16:50] <popey> I'm watching along with you
[16:50] <ubuntu-user> QUESTION: Do you know if BQ will offer international shipping for the Ubuntu phone?
[16:50] <mhall119> justCarkas: that sucks, replacing the front glass is exponentially worse than the back
[16:50] <AkivaAvraham> popey, woah that is very cool
[16:50] <justCarkas> mhall119: I have the tools :) so I can do it myself, and once you did it twice, its not that hard anymore :p
[16:50]  * Nothing_Much disables ppapi
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> wut
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> o.o
[16:51] <popey> no flash on my ubuntu phone :D
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> maybe it only works on the youtube website itself?
[16:51] <Knightmare> QUESTION: In the same way we have desktop porn, will users be able to modify the way UT looks to create UTporn?
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> OMG
[16:51] <Nothing_Much> OKay
[16:52] <Nothing_Much> So it IS the fact that you can only view live streams on Youtube itself
[16:52] <Nothing_Much> Not the embedded "ubuntuonair.com" website :(
[16:52] <AkivaAvraham> mhall119, it doesnt!
[16:52] <alci64> QUESTION: how do snappy / docker / juju / click packages / deb packages / apt works together ? What is the big plan, I feel confused nowdays...
[16:54] <balloons> here's the info on landscape up to 10 machines: http://askubuntu.com/questions/549809/how-do-i-install-landscape-for-personal-use
[16:55] <dakira> mhall119: Yeah.. I know that. but I have ~100 hosts and only want Landscape but not the full support contract.
[16:55] <popey> Nothing_Much: I'm sure we can fix that :)
[16:56] <balloons> dakira, have you spoken with someone about trying to get landscape only?
[16:56] <AkivaAvraham> redlama42, :P
[16:56] <Nothing_Much> popey: i think it's a problem with youtube, since every embedded youtube video on a website doesn't work with html5, it's limited to actually BEING on Youtube itself
[16:56] <redlama42> Nice.
[16:56] <Nothing_Much> still, amazingly awesome, now we need twitch and other livestreaming websites to adopt it
[16:57] <Nothing_Much> and we can finally stop using Flash
[16:57] <redlama42> I need to figure out the compile error i'm getting so I can start hacking on it.
[16:57] <Nothing_Much> and it will die horrendously
[16:57] <dakira> balloons: like who? Thing is, it's a non-profit child-rescue service, so they won't be able to spend much more then a low 3-digit number..
[16:58] <dakira> balloons: so the full per-device support contract is out of the question.
[16:58] <isantop> Right now the only problem I have is the on-screen keyboard. Thanks for the insight, though!
[16:58] <redlama42> QUESTION: Opinions on glNext?
[16:59] <Nothing_Much> is that OpenGLNext?
[16:59] <redlama42> Yea.
[16:59] <Nothing_Much> It needs to be released before DirectX 12
[16:59] <Nothing_Much> It absolutely NEEDS to be released before it
[16:59] <ubuntu-user> looks like I need to make friends with some more Europeans :-P
[16:59] <AkivaAvraham> oh gosh....
[17:00] <justCarkas> AkivaAvraham: I can be your european friend :p
[17:00] <AkivaAvraham> :D
[17:00] <maqbool> how to get started ubuntu phone development where ask for help
[17:00] <ubuntu-user> but what about me :-(
[17:00] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, #ubuntu-app-devel
[17:00] <justCarkas> you 2 ubuntu-user :)
[17:01] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, i'll help you get started right after this session ends
[17:01] <ubuntu-user> justCarkas, what country are you from?
[17:01] <popey> #snappy
[17:01] <popey> maqbool: http://developer.ubuntu.com
[17:02] <AkivaAvraham> OpenGL is awesome - Balloons
[17:02] <talky> QUESTION:will cononical virtualize th desktop
[17:02] <AkivaAvraham> talky, I think your too late!
[17:02] <balloons> dakira, it would be worth asking I suppose to see what pricing they would have for a non-profit, even with ubuntu advantage and the full support
[17:02] <ubuntu-user> that was fun
[17:02] <ubuntu-user> I should come here more often
[17:03] <AkivaAvraham> :)
[17:03] <justCarkas> yes indeed :) ubuntu-user
[17:03] <AkivaAvraham> ubuntu-user, please do!
[17:03] <talky> AkivaAvraham :(
[17:03] <justCarkas> well my work day is over :D so cya :)
[17:03] <AkivaAvraham> justCarkas, o/
[17:03] <justCarkas> o/ AkivaAvraham
[17:03] <ubuntu-user> ciao
[17:03] <OerHeks> o/
[17:03] <justCarkas> o/ ubuntu-user
[17:03] <balloons> cu! thanks for the excellent questions everyone
[17:03] <AkivaAvraham> !cookies
[17:03] <justCarkas> thx balloons and mhall119 for your time
[17:03] <AkivaAvraham> darn; where is that ubottu when you need it?
[17:04] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, come to #ubuntu-app-devel irc channel
[17:04] <AkivaAvraham> maqbool, /join #ubuntu-app-devel if you are one the webclient
[17:05] <ubuntu-user> alright, I'm off too. Cya gents :-)
[17:16] <Peter____> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu package parental time controls like Windows 7 has?  there are a couple open source ones that are no longer supported.
[17:19] <Peter-02760> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu ever integrate a Parental Controls with time limitations solution similar to what Windows 7 has?
[17:19] <AkivaAvraham> Peter-02760, too late slowpoke ;_;
[17:19] <AkivaAvraham> next week though, and good question!
[17:20] <Pratrax> QUESTION : If I use docker and I use two application who use the same library (Qt for example) is this library loaded two time ?
[17:21] <AkivaAvraham> Pratrax, too late :P
[17:21] <Pratrax> Arf
[17:21] <AkivaAvraham> Pratrax, good question though. Unfortunately the session ended :(
[17:21] <Pratrax> Someone know the answer
[17:21] <Pratrax> ,
[17:21] <Pratrax> ?*
[17:22] <AkivaAvraham> I do not, but try #ubuntu-touch maybe?
[17:23] <Pratrax> Do you know when is the next session ?
[17:24] <Pratrax> (which hours)
[17:32] <AkivaAvraham> balloons, popey mhall119 can you guys get bzoltan and zbenjamin on next week to talk about the sdk?
[17:33] <balloons> AkivaAvraham, anything specific you'd like to talk about?
[17:33] <AkivaAvraham> balloons, mmmm I just think bzoltan is a funny guy. That and this: http://i.imgur.com/6eJt30x.png
[17:34] <AkivaAvraham> maybe the week after next week. I'd also like to hear what they have been up to, including Go projects and what have you
[17:34] <balloons> AkivaAvraham, great. We'll try and get them scheduled
[17:35] <AkivaAvraham> balloons, thanks
[17:48] <greencore> are there any plans to make an easier way to create shortcuts in Unity?
[19:47] <not_roasted> o herro
[19:49] <not_roasted> (I hope this is okay to do, if not, feel free to smack my hands). mhall119  - I'm catching up on the on-air that happened earlier. I'm curious if I could ask you a relevant question about something you touched on during the on-air.
[21:25] <iGNUcius> Hello from the littlebox on ubuntuonair.com!
[21:26] <iGNUcius> I have a question about Ubuntu phone from bq. Anyone knows if they'll be available soon?
[21:31] <PaulW2U> iGNUcius: http://carla-sella.blogspot.co.uk/ might give you some clues :)
[21:34] <iGNUcius> PaulW2U: Thanks, reading :)
[21:42] <iGNUcius> Another question. Is an option to buy a Nexus and install Ubuntu on it? I mean, can I have an Ubuntu phone 100% buying a Nexus? Because the bq hardware is a bit low for some people. But I have a bit of fear buying something with no official support (like the bq, coming with Ubuntu directly).
[21:42] <iGNUcius> Thanks for your time.
[21:54] <botus> will ubuntu 15.04 USD kernel 3.19?


[08:05] <sima> Running Firefox developer edition 6.0.0b5 64bit x86-64,on top of updated 17.10, and when I open an image in a new tab, Cursor does not change to magnifier, when I am over picture. Zooming picture to 1:1 works on click, only, cursor that would suggest zooming does not change when hovering over picture. Might be interesting for next Ubuntu.
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> sima: we reccomend testing daily with packages meant for the ubuntu version
[08:24] <sima> lotuspsychje, ok, thanks.
[14:30] <lavinho> good morning
[14:31] <lavinho> how to put srcolling on on ubuntu 18.04
[14:31] <lavinho> magic mouse 2
[14:51] <donofrio_> what process/package creates and configured the .gpgpg?
[15:11] <ai__> can I install ubuntu on HP Envy x2(snapdragon 835)?
[15:14] <donofrio_> how do I fix this https://pastebin.com/PqZ7mEBR
[15:24] <nacc> donofrio_: your root user shouldn't have a gpg config
[15:24] <nacc> donofrio_: i'm not 100% on that, but it doesn't really make sesne
[15:28] <donofrio_> nacc, when I try on my normal account - https://pastebin.com/FBhR4F6J
[15:47] <nacc> donofrio_: well, that's pretty clear, your user's dirmngr is not what add-apt-repository is trying to connect to
[15:47] <nacc> donofrio_: i've never had a problem with this, so i'm assuming it's your WSL :)
[15:48] <donofrio_> it is, and what should dirmngr point to?
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio_: `which dirmngr` ?
[15:48] <donofrio_> one sec
[15:49] <donofrio_> "/usr/bin/dirmngr"
[16:00] <nacc> donofrio_: you might pass -m to do add-apt-repository
[16:00] <nacc> dunno, i've never had any issue with it
[16:00] <donofrio_> I'll give that a shot...
[16:05] <donofrio_> ;( https://pastebin.com/7sd3wEkU (I appricate your help even if you don't have issues with it alot, I just want to get these repo's working so I can get xfwm4.13 - needed for my notebooks they switched from xrender to opengl
[16:06] <nacc> donofrio_: it seems like xubuntu-dev is alrady in your sources.list; do you just need to add the key? follow th instructions from the pppa page
[16:08] <donofrio_> oh humm....I might have manually added that....I forget....I do bunches of reloads tryin to get this winubuntu working the was I use it ..... yah I think I just need the key but unsure....
[16:08] <nacc> donofrio_: try following the ppa page instructions to just add the key
[16:09] <donofrio_> oh the last six was my attempts at getting this working that is why they are listed
[17:18] <donofrio_> nacc, what did I miss....tried the ignore flag ;( https://pastebin.com/AWSLbxRr
[17:20] <nacc> donofrio_: did you add the key?
[17:25] <swein> threadripper 16core is $869 right now. hard to beat the pricing
[17:36] <donofrio_> nacc, no not yet, last time I didn't have a key (for remmina-next) I thought I used a "switch to force it to continue" but this time it's not working or I'm using the wrong switch?
[17:54] <alnr> where is the settting for system colors?
[18:01] <alnr> my screen is going black in 15 seconds of inactivity. this, after i changed 'blank screen' to never , or 15 minutes, or 5 minutes
[18:02] <nacc> donofrio_: it seems like you should just add the key
[18:02] <nacc> donofrio_: you really don't want to use insecure repositories
[18:04] <donofrio_> I tried this but ;( "donofrio@WSAL0196:~$ sudo apt-key adv -keyserver ppa.launchpad.net --revc-keys EB563F93142986CE Executing: /tmp/apt-key-gpghome.WInJwZDkul/gpg.1.sh -keyserver ppa.launchpad.net --revc-keys EB563F93142986CE gpg: conflicting commands"
[18:04] <donofrio_> why conflicting command?
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> i scrambled /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades somehow.. can anyone pastebin a clean one to me?
[18:06] <nacc> donofrio_: it's --keyserver
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@R00TBOOK:~$ LANG=C sudo apt update
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades:64: Extra junk after value
[18:07] <nacc> lotuspsychje: that line is commented out her, but i believe i have some local modifications
[18:07] <nacc> *here
[18:07] <nacc> one sec
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> nacc: i tried with comment or without, apt spits out the same
[18:08] <nacc> lotuspsychje: this is my .ucf-dist, which i believe is the package version
[18:08] <nacc> (waiting for pastebin)
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:08] <nacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bcBDhVSHPW/
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> nacc: tnx lemme try
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> same error
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> its like apt doesnt care if file has changed or not hmm
[18:12] <nacc> lotuspsychje: this is my actual file ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rsYyHdb3DN/ which successful apt updated just now
[18:12] <flocculant> mine looks exactly like nacc's - and I have no issues
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> nacc: is there a way to reload apt somehow?
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> tried comment, uncomment and your clean one
[18:13] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i don't think that should be necessary in general
[18:13] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i'd reboot? :/
[18:13] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i really don't know
[18:13] <lotuspsychje> reboot doesnt fix neither, tested
[18:13] <nacc> lotuspsychje: you could also look at lsof and see if there's something holding the file open
[18:17] <flocculant> what's the :64: about on that anyway?
[18:17] <donofrio_> nacc, back to ipc issue ;( https://pastebin.com/txSz4ZtU
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> flocculant: not sure, tryed to edit flase to true for auto cleanup
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> *false
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> then it went wrong
[18:19] <flocculant> :)
[18:20] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: I assume you've moved the original 50.blah out and copied a new one in and still get the issue?
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> not yet lets try that
[18:20] <flocculant> or of course use the backup one :D
[18:21] <flocculant> donofrio_: is this the same issue you had a while ago?
[18:21] <donofrio_> yes
[18:22] <donofrio_> just figured I'd work on it for awhile then come back if still having issue, we'll I am....
[18:22] <flocculant> and did you try doing what unit193 said in #xub-dev then?
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> flocculant, nacc deleting the file did the trick
[18:24] <flocculant> lotuspsychje: ok - you got a good one from nacc and that works?
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> have to test after updating
[18:24] <flocculant> good call :p
[18:26] <donofrio_> flocculant, best I could the file is encrypted or something: https://pastebin.com/zz1tw0xt
[18:27] <flocculant> right - no idea what's up - is this that install in windows or whatever you were talking about? or was that someone else lol
[18:28] <donofrio_> flocculant, it was me http://www.tinyurl.com/donofrio1804 is how I get to where I'm at now...
[18:29] <flocculant> so perhaps then it's something to do with that causing your problem
[18:31] <donofrio_> flocculant, if you looked at the process I simply take the most recent ubuntu 18.04 amd64 cloud image convert the squishfs file to a tar file then load it into wsl it boots I patch it up because the file is now a month old, then I add 1466 pakcages though apt-get install xfce4* and ubuntu-desktop packages then pritty much bing I'm here....so how might that process cause this result?
[18:33] <flocculant> no idea - just asking - because you're not usually up front when trying to get help about that ;)
[18:43] <donofrio_> flocculant, yah I'll get more open....mybad for not being in first place....
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> nacc: placed your file now, update works, but autoremove doesnt yet
[19:12] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ok
[22:20] <enyc> Hrrm.......
[22:20] <enyc> This seems needless usability-anonyance in 18.04...
[22:21] <enyc> when presented with exfat USB-stick it just goes "unknown filessystem exfat"
[22:21] <TJ-> Well, I think it's more polite than inserting an ext4 FS on Windows!
[22:22] <enyc> it does not suggest/offer to install "exfat-fuse" "exfat-utils"
[22:22] <enyc> TJ-: aah windows 'disk is not formatted' ??? ;-)
[22:22] <TJ-> what 'it' is reporting/detecting the FS though? is it being massaged through a GUI? is it GVFS?
[22:22] <enyc> TJ-: default ubuntu 18.04 bionic test-image desktop
[22:22] <TJ-> so Gnome?
[22:23] <enyc> must be
[22:23] <TJ-> ahh... not touched it in many years
[22:23] <enyc> I did, however install it on   btrfs  root
[22:23] <enyc> i notice all the other 12.04/14.04/16.04/18.04-on-ext4  in this testing-VM,  DON'T  put the btrfs-18.04  into their grub menu
[22:24] <enyc> but the grub installed by that btrfs-18.04,  does boot all 4 sfstems  [correction: I don't have a 12.04]
[22:24] <TJ-> does GRUB have a btrfs module?
[22:24] <enyc> TJ-: it must have SOME kindo of support as it boots 18.04 off btrfs ok hrrrrrrrrrrrrrm
[22:25] <TJ-> I was being sarcastic, sorry :) We've had brfs in GRUB since 2010 :)
[22:26] <TJ-> But, for those other releases, it's possible the grub-probe code isn't correctly loading its btrfs module
[22:26] <enyc> what "other reasons" ???
[22:28] <TJ-> I've not looked at the grub-probe code for a while but I think it relies on some other tools to ID the file-system. It's possible that hasn't been working correctly for BTRFS, or it may be because of the way you've got the subvolumes configured - I seem to recall there was some mention of it only supporting the /
[22:28] <enyc> e2fsprogs  provides this  blkid  library for detecting stuff, though grub may be doing its awn thing of course
[22:30] <TJ-> Try "grub-probe -t fs /dev/XXXX" on the BTRFS block device
[22:30] <enyc> bleuuuuuuuuuuuuuurgh my 18.04-gnoe-brtrfs  vb  struuuuuuuuuuuuugling
[22:30] <enyc> not even runnying many apps or atnything
[22:33] <enyc> ok booted the 16.04
[22:35] <enyc> grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `udev'.
[22:35] <enyc> doesn't seem to matter what i probe
[22:37] <TJ-> sorry, my fault sohuld be "grub-probe -t fs -d /dev/XXXX"
[22:38] <TJ-> I always forget the -d for device!
[22:38] <TJ-> otherwise it's a sysfs path
[22:38] <TJ-> counter-intuitive
[22:48] <enyc> detects "btrfs" no problem
[22:48] <enyc> ext4s' detected as "ext2" (which may make sense acutally, same r/o grub driver thing)
[22:53] <enyc> os-prober at fault?
[23:00] <enyc> hrrm even os-prober on the 18.04-on-ext4  is not seeing the 18.04-on-btrfs
[23:08] <TJ-> Could be
[23:10] <TJ-> /usr/lib/os-probes/init/10filesystems  mentions btrfs
[23:18] <enyc> TJ-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/os-prober/+bug/887836
[23:27] <enyc> grrrrrrrr annoying bug grrrrrrr
[23:29] <TJ-> looks like the patches haven't landed either. bit-rot again! https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688336


[07:28] <elbrus> jbicha: right. And upstream is probably willing to carry it as well.
[07:28] <elbrus> it should have been upsteamed long ago
[09:55] <JackFrost> LocutusOfBorg: Hrm, what was the reason to switch remmina away from ayatana indicators?
[11:27] <ginggs> flexiondotorg: Happy new year! do you think you could add Conflicts: telegram-desktop to your telegram PPA packages please?  It would prevent future bugs like LP: #1740708
[15:39] <Bh_> Hi, which kernel version does Ubuntu 18.04 nightly got? does it fix the issue which made 17.10 download link removed from ubuntu.com site?
[15:47] <acheronuk> Bh_: 4.13.0-17, which according to the bug report was never affected
[15:49] <Bh_> acheronuk: kewl, I think on installing it instead of 16.04 on my laptop, how stable is it?
[15:49] <acheronuk> Bh_: no idea. I run Kubuntu. That is is stable, which is all I can comment on
[15:51] <Bh_> acheronuk: Kubuntu nightly?
[15:51] <Bh_> or 17.10?
[15:51] <acheronuk> Both
[15:52] <Bh_> ok, kewl and thx :)
[15:56] <acheronuk> Bh_: development version is meant to be reasonable stable nowadays, but I would still only suggest running it if you have some significant experience running (and occasionally fixing) pre-release stuff
[15:58] <Bh_> acheronuk: I had 16.04 already and I wasn't able to make my second monitor (which is connected with HDMI to the laptop) to work no matter what I did (spent few good hours on it), if I remember correctly it was cause 16.04 didn't really knew how to work with laptops which got a gpu and a video card and it was said that it was fixed later on
[15:59] <Bh_> so I'm kinda stuck now
[16:00] <acheronuk> Bh_: fair enough. I'm just doing the mandatory (beware the -dev version may kill your kittens, type) warning ;)
[16:01] <acheronuk> albeit that most people developing it also run it with good stability.....
[16:02] <Bh_> acheronuk: hehehe thanks, I'll keep considering it
[16:02] <Bh_> It's those trailing dots which terrify me..... ;)
[16:03] <Bh_> acheronuk: btw, doesn't Ubuntu 16.04 will do an update to the buggy kernel? (guess not.... but just to be sure :))
[16:04] <Bh_> I'm more from the Internet server side systems development side of life :)
[16:04] <Bh_> minus the server itself though...
[16:06] <Bh_> acheronuk: btw I rechecked and its said at the bug report "Fix: The issue was fixed in Kernel Version 4.13.0-21. But previous affected machines still suffered from a broken BIOS." so the nightly is stll bugged
[16:09] <acheronuk> Bh_: no, it's not. as the Bionic -release version never had the buggy driver enabled
[16:10] <acheronuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[16:10] <acheronuk> Bionic is not an affected series
[16:10] <Bh_> acheronuk: ok so now I'm confused... its not only connected to the kernel version but also to something else?
[16:11] <Bh_> ahhhh artful & xenial are the series?  (did I mention that this is not my field? :))
[16:13] <acheronuk> Bh_: correct. I'm not usre if the buggy version was ever uploaded to bionic, but it certainly did not get to the -release pocket and hence the iso's from the info in that bug
[16:17] <Bh_> acheronuk: honestly I don't totally follow u.... :)
[16:17] <Bh_> how can u be sure about that?
[16:20] <dobey> are you on a lenovo laptop?
[16:22] <Bh_> dobey: HP
[16:23] <dobey> HP 14-r012la
[16:23] <dobey> that one?
[16:23] <Bh_> Nope, but I don't want to be the one will report my model ;)
[16:25] <Bh_> I got an Insyde BIOS for once...
[16:25] <acheronuk> Bh_: because the current kernel in bionic is the same as the artful one from before the bug was introduced
[16:27] <Bh_> also tried to upgrade 16.04 to 17.10 about a month ago, entire installation just crushed and Ubuntu never responded anymore no matter what I did, I got a new HD now and considering what to do
[16:29] <Bh_> acheronuk: according to https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195951 the bug exist from at least kernel 4.11.2
[16:32] <dobey> assuming it's a kernel bug
[16:34] <Bh_> dobey: thats the bug ticket which is mentioned at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147 . honestly I think I'll just be safe and go for 16.04 for the time being, that's supposed to be a safe option for the time being, right? (the kernel wont get updated to the buggy version and such...)
[16:46] <dobey> well, the hwe stack is supposed to get upgraded to the 17.10 kernel in the next few weeks
[16:46] <dobey> but i don't know how this issue will affect that schedule
[16:47] <dobey> #ubuntu-kernel is probably a better place to ask about kernel specific issues
[16:48] <Bh_> dobey: kewl thanks :)
[16:48] <Bh_> acheronuk: thanks again :)
[16:48] <Bh_> cheers!
[16:49] <acheronuk> I *think* the affected kernel only went into the hwe-edge channel so far on 16.04. at least, that was the channel the 16.04 fix was pushed to
[17:00] <acheronuk> and looks like the bionic kernel in -release is actually affected. concerning


[19:41] <thomi> barry: ping?
[19:41] <barry> thomi: pong
[19:42] <thomi> barry: are you able to join a hangout real quick? We're talking about OTA upgrade testing
[19:42] <barry> thomi: sure
[19:44] <barry> thomi: do you have a url?
[19:45] <thomi> barry: sorry, one moment
[20:10] <barry> thomi: will it be a while?  i could go walk the dog :)
[20:10] <thomi> barry: sorry! I forgot to tell you, we had to cancel :(
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, ask away in here
[20:10] <thomi> barry: but I'm sure jfunk will talk to you about it soon :D
[20:11] <barry> thomi: okay :)
[20:11] <thomi> sorry, I should ahve mentioned it earlier
[20:11] <Letozaf_> is there a way to launch autopilot vis and autopilot launch on the device ?
[20:11] <Letozaf_> I nedd this for filemanager
[20:12] <veebers> Letozaf_: autopilot vis doesn't work on the device (purely desktop application)
[20:12] <robotfuel> Letozaf_: you can with x forwarding with ssh, but it's super unusable slow
[20:12] <veebers> Letozaf_: there is print tree (i.e. in an example test  launch app and use print tree) but it's not quite a good as vis
[20:13] <veebers> robotfuel: ah, I''ve never had that working :-)
[20:13] <robotfuel> Letozaf_: vis is a little bit usable, it's not as slow as autopilot launch
[20:14] <balloons> robotfuel, try that with the emulator?
[20:14] <robotfuel> balloons: I've only tried on a n4
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, that said I would agree with everyone and question why you think you need it. There might be a way to get want you want on the desktop.. there certainly is using print_tree
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, the fact is that I use autopilot vis a lot to write tests and on the desktop I do not have the same filemanager behavior as on the device
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, for instance to get the places tab
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. I understand
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, so there's a trick we can do to fix that :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-P what trick ?
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, we can force file manager to run in small mode on the desktop
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, how do you do that ? it would be great
[20:19]  * balloons feels like the keeper of secrets
[20:19] <balloons> veebers, btw did the AP release go only into vivid right? So utopic is stuck at wherever it ended
[20:20] <veebers> balloons: correct, the release (which will happen this morning) is vivid only
[20:20] <balloons> veebers, I ask because I'm writing up a post on AP features and I want to include the timeout feature
[20:21] <balloons> maybe I won't for that reason
[20:21] <veebers> balloons: ah cool :-) Yeah sorry, it didn't make it to Utopic :-(
[20:21] <balloons> veebers, it's easier actually if you don't call it 1.5 then
[20:21] <balloons> it will be 1.6 yes?
[20:23] <veebers> balloons: hmm, it'll be 1.5 as it doesn't make any backwards incompatible changes
[20:23] <balloons> veebers, right.. I feel like historically maybe we changed numbers each time a new release happened
[20:23] <balloons> I guess I can confirm / deny my theory
[20:23] <veebers> balloons: otp, will follow up in a little bit
[20:24]  * Letozaf_ is wondering if the keeper of secrets will disclose his secret :-P
[20:24] <balloons> Letozaf_, sorry, lol!
[20:24] <balloons> veebers, yea, trusty is 1.4, utopic 1.5
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, so there's a switch in the main qml file that sets it one way or the other
[20:25] <balloons> there may be an argument to pass, let me check
[20:25] <balloons> otherwise you could set it manually in the qml
[20:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, indeed, pass -p or --phone
[20:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok let me try
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, does filemanager have to be launched in a particular way as launching  autopilot3 launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../src/app/qml/filemanager.qml
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, gives me file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/ubuntu-filemanager-app/src/app/qml/filemanager.qml:147 Type FolderListPage unavailable
[20:35] <Letozaf_> file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/ubuntu-filemanager-app/src/app/qml/ui/FolderListPage.qml:196 Cannot assign to non-existent property "onlyMTPPaths"
[20:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, filemanager is a compiled app now
[20:35] <balloons> so you should build it first, and launch the binary
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, I read the README file and it says to use qtcreator is there another way to build it ? I mean cmake and make for instance?
[20:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, use cmake make
[20:41] <balloons> cmake ., make
[20:41] <balloons> if you want to build in-tree that is :-)
[20:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, yay I prefere this to qtcreator :P
[22:45] <barry> nuclearbob, thomi for LP: #1381177, do you have a bootchart.tgz that triggers the bug?
[22:46] <thomi> that works as well :D
[22:46] <barry> :)
[22:46] <barry> nuclearbob_: for LP: #1381177, do you have a bootchart.tgz that triggers the bug?
[22:48]  * thomi wonders if we should be talking to nuclearbob or nuclearbob_
[22:50] <nuclearbob_> barry: I'll see if we can get one.  I don't know what type of artifact harvesting we do when the job fails
[22:55] <nuclearbob_> barry: /home/max/bootchart.tgz on chinstrap
[22:55] <barry> nuclearbob_: downloading
[22:57] <barry> nuclearbob_: okay, reproduced.  now for the fun bits
[22:58] <nuclearbob_> ooh, fun bits
[22:58] <nuclearbob_> barry: do you need me for those?  I'm reaching EOD, but I'll be out tomorrow so I'd like to wrap up what I can before I take off
[22:59] <barry> if i can only find up-to-date source :/
[22:59] <barry> nuclearbob_: no more today i think
[23:01] <thomi> nuclearbob_: thanks for that, and for your email - very helpful
[23:02] <nuclearbob_> barry, thomi: cool, let me know if you need anything else, and I'll reply as soon as I can
[23:03] <barry> well, at least pybootchartgui (where this crashes) is obsolete upstream <wink>
[23:26] <barry> thomi: do you know if max needs this in utopic or just vivid?
[23:26] <barry> i have a fix for vivid
[23:29] <thomi> barry: hmmm
[23:29] <thomi> barry: I don't know TBH
[23:30] <thomi> barry: presumably it's easy to port the fix to utopic and just have it in a PPA?
[23:30] <barry> thomi: should be.  very trivial fix.  at least so it won't crash, but i can't vouch for whether it still gives the info you want. :)
[23:30] <barry> thomi: i'm going to get some dinner then will upload this
[23:31] <thomi> barry: if it doesn't give us what we want we'll be back to torment you further :D


[15:30] <Zeioth> I love the wallpaper of 17.10 beta2
[15:30] <Zeioth> reminds me to 'Wipeout' for some reason
[15:31] <Zeioth> (psx)
[20:04] <knome> Zeioth, happy to hear


[10:15] <mup> PR snapd#12932 closed: gadget/update: set parts in laid out data from the ones matched <Run nested> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12932>
[10:52] <mup> PR core20#151 opened: get-arg: fix call to printf <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/151>
[11:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#4252 closed: plugins: add riscv into kernel plugin for build dtbs <Created by AristoChen> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4252>
[11:21] <mup> PR snapcraft#4235 closed: requirements: bump craft-archives to fix regression <Created by tigarmo> <Closed by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4235>
[11:26] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4236 closed: lxd-type-base spread test is flaky due to lxd timeouts <Bug> <Created by lengau> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4236>
[11:41] <mup> PR snapd#12939 opened: install: lazy unmount() in writeFilesystemContent() if needed <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12939>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#4253 opened: package-repositories: update craft-archives to support multi-keys <Created by tigarmo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4253>
[12:06] <mup> PR snapd#12909 closed: sandbox/apparmor: don't let vendored apparmor conflict with system <Squash-merge> <Run nested> <:disappointed: Regression> <Created by alexmurray> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12909>
[12:06] <mup> PR snapd#12940 opened: interfaces: add some tests for the mount backend ns update case <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12940>
[12:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#4213 closed: Hotfix/7.4 merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4213>
[13:02] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4254 opened: Python apt resolves differently with apt from Ubuntu 22.04 <Bug> <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4254>
[13:17] <mup> PR core20#151 closed: get-arg: fix call to printf <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/151>
[13:27] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4255 opened: Make extensions part plugin aware <Enhancement> <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4255>
[13:31] <mup> Bug #2025651 opened: default Japanese font in snap apps is ugly <Snappy:New> <language-selector (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2025651>
[13:37] <mup> PR core20#152 opened: Remove cleanup-timesyncd hack <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/152>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#12941 opened: gadget: fix install test on armhf <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12941>
[14:02] <mup> PR snapd#12942 opened: github: run arm/arm64 tests on github action too <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12942>
[14:17] <mup> PR snapd#12943 opened: Interfaces: apparmor_parser tuning <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12943>
[14:47] <mup> PR snapd#12944 opened: data: update content of the preseeded blob <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12944>
[15:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#4186 closed: snap: migrate to core22 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4186>
[20:02] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4166 closed: Migrate Snapcraft to core22 <Enhancement> <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4166>
[20:07] <mup> Issue snapcraft#4256 opened: Improve check for library linter in the ROS tests <Enhancement> <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issues/4256>
[20:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#4253 closed: package-repositories: update craft-archives to support multi-keys <Created by tigarmo> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4253>