[00:00] <Pici> charlie-tca: I actually had already gotten the email when I said that earlier.
[00:00] <charlie-tca> That was what I waited for, too. I find it works better that way
[00:01] <rww> !default
[00:02] <rww> I see that there are more words in the suggestion. I don't see how it's different :<
[00:02] <charlie-tca> I like the original better.  Please go away.
[01:07] <ray24> go away?
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> Can anyone think of a single reason to allow this to continue?
[01:07] <maco> nope
[01:07] <ray24> I'm a ubuntu user
[01:08] <marienz> assuming you don't need staff anymore?
[01:08] <bazhang> just wanted to make them aware
[01:08] <maco> h00k: was "it's true" at my grammar correction?
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> marienz: well, unless you have weekly meetings with the FBI :P
[01:09] <h00k> maco: yes
[01:09] <Pici> Unless marienz disagrees, I think that just a poke to a staffer might be better. I see !staff similarly to !ops, in that we need action take asap.
[01:09] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I know people in the US DoD, if that helps.
[01:10] <h00k> tonyyarusso: He called me once for Linux help.
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> yay, PMs too!
[01:10]  * Pici too
[01:10] <h00k> not here, yet.
[01:10] <Jordan_U> Never would have expected that.
[01:10] <rww> h00k: oh, good. I was feeling left out.
[01:10]  * h00k queries rww
[01:10] <Pici> I threw the appeals link at them... good thing I don't have to deal with those anymore.
[01:11] <marienz> assuming this is the first time he does something like this I don't think staff should get involved just yet, but I've relayed it
[01:11] <rww> h00k: xkcd 853
[01:11] <Pici> marienz: As far as I know, this is the first time we've seen this particular guy.
[01:11] <h00k> rww: :3 I love that one.
[01:12] <maco> i think if i threw a stick within a mile of where i work, i'd hit a US DoD person, seeing as the suburb where i work was created to house people who work at No Such Agency
[01:13] <maco> oh im getting them now too
[01:13] <maco> ive been called two names so far
[01:13] <Pici> only two?
[01:13] <maco> and afaik, they're not ones that can usually both apply to the same person...
[01:14] <h00k> Stop Theeself!
[01:14] <maco> hmm one of them just repeated, and ive been asked to commit suicide
[01:14]  * maco ponders
[01:14] <maco> no thanks
[01:14] <maco> i just got a new job. think i'd like to stay alive long enough for my first paycheque at least
[01:14] <Pici> I'll add my pm log to the bt comments.
[01:14] <maco> oh and a racial term was just used as if it were an insult...
[01:16] <Pici> and.. commented.
[01:16] <h00k> @login
[01:16] <h00k> @btloin
[01:16] <h00k> fail.
[01:16] <h00k> @btlgin
[01:16] <rww> @btloincloth
[01:16] <h00k> ...
[01:16] <h00k> @btlogin
[01:16] <Jordan_U> mmm, btloin
[01:16] <Jordan_U> btloin with btgin, even better.
[01:17] <rww> I don't get it. He's threatening to do Ubuntu advocacy?
[01:18] <Pici> I didn't know being unemployed was an insult either.
[01:18] <h00k> Oop, now I'm in the club, too.
[01:18]  * rww sulks
[01:18] <persia> Anything can be an insult: "You're so useless, you use a computer!!!", it's all in the delivery.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> "You can't even chat on IRC without a machine to help!"
[01:19] <h00k> Okay, in all honesty, what was said to me was pretty weak.
[01:19] <h00k> Not advocating anything, but...heh.
[01:19] <Jordan_U> persia: In Soviet Russia computer uses YOU!
[01:20] <maco> i mostly was just informed my sexuality is unacceptable. with no evidence regarding what my sexuality actually is. but whatever!
[01:20] <persia> Jordan_U, Pity those days are gone: there's something better about BCI interfaces when the HID is an output device.
[01:20] <Pici> So.. in other words, just another day as an op.
[01:20] <h00k> I added my comment to the bantracker as well.
[01:20] <h00k> s/comment/comments
[01:20] <h00k> there were 2!
[01:20] <rww> Pici: they haven't ban-evaded yet, so today is actually a relatively good day
[01:20] <h00k> rww: don't give ideas :(
[01:20] <maco> ubottu isnt answering when i login
[01:20] <maco> @login
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: Maybe being capable of having a sexuality is unacceptable?
[01:21] <maco> ah have to do it in a channel. how silly
[01:21] <maco> @btlogin
[01:21] <maco> tonyyarusso: im sorry im not a eunuch?
[01:21] <Jordan_U> maco: You shouldn't have to.
[01:21] <maco> if only we were all unix....
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: hehe
[01:21] <rww> i has a PM
[01:21] <maco> Jordan_U: tell that to ubottu
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> maco: but we want to be linux, not unix!
[01:22] <maco> ok mine's in
[01:22] <Pici> related: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47570404@N08/4352322441/
[01:22] <persia> Let's not get into discussions of preferred technology, or somebody will mention joe.
[01:23] <rww> the editor?
[01:23] <Pici> ed's friend.
[01:24] <h00k> I hear he has vi
[01:24] <Jordan_U> Obligatory: http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html
[01:28] <maco> rww: your turn to add a comment?
[01:28] <maco> rww: or is he still going?
[01:28] <rww> my log is too long and too hilarious to be added.
[01:28] <maco> hilarious sounds like reason *to* add...
[01:28] <h00k> I think anyone reviewing the log will get the message ;)
[01:29] <Pici> Yah
[01:31] <Pici> oh,.
[01:36] <maco> !hacking
[01:37] <maco> !learn2hack
[01:37] <maco> can i make an alias for !learn2hack for:     If you would like to learn to hack, please follow the HowTo set forth by Eric S Raymond at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[01:38] <maco> its about /actual/ /legal/ hacking
[01:38] <maco> like...being an excellent programmer
[01:38] <bazhang> thats not what he wanted, and prolongs the offtopic follow on commentary
[01:38] <maco> but maybe gets them to go away and read for an hour or so
[01:38] <maco> do script kiddies know how to read?
[01:38] <bazhang> unlikely in the extreme
[01:39] <h00k> maco: yeah, this line:  /////COPY EVERYTHING BELOW HERE
[01:39] <maco> hahaha
[01:39] <rww> maco: 0|\|1'/ !|\| 1337
[01:40] <maco> rww: the hell does THAT say?
[01:40] <maco> oh i see
[01:40] <maco> only in leet
[01:41]  * persia always thought hackers delighted in using their intimate understanding of internal workings to fiddle about and change things.
[01:43] <persia> (hacker: one who hacks -> to hack: to perform activities resulting in a hack -> a hack: some way of interpreting or presenting rules to accomplish an unexpectedly elegant result (e.g. implementing /usr/bin/true as "#! /bin/sh\n")
[01:47] <bazhang> except in #ubuntu
[01:48] <bazhang> look at his last line before exit: "I know it's illegal!"
[01:48]  * h00k facepalms
[01:49] <bazhang> the point being, people who know the distinction don't ask about it
[01:50] <h00k> rule 1 and 2.
[01:51] <h00k> or something
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> Whoa.  See @joey's identi.ca :(
[01:53] <h00k> :o
[01:54] <h00k> I really try to have hope for humanity.
[01:54] <maco> um who is joey?
[01:54] <h00k> some dude
[01:55] <maco> O_O
[01:55] <maco> i cant say what im thinking in this channel
[01:55] <maco> itd violate !language
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> maco: Joey Stanford
[01:58] <maco> tonyyarusso: figured that out by now, having clicked the link and gotten far enough to O_O
[01:59] <maco> erm, typed in the url
[01:59] <maco> same diff
[02:00]  * tonyyarusso rages
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> maco: 5 & 7 and 12 & 14 have the same difference!
[02:00]  * rww giggles at PM window
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> rww: There's *more*!
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> ?
[02:01] <rww> tonyyarusso: We're having a delightful conversation about my army of bats
[02:01] <maco> hahaha
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> nice
[02:02] <rww> And in case anyone else has been getting PMs with quotes in them, I don't tend to use emoticons awkwardly in the middle of sentences.
[02:04] <persia> Aww:(wwww
[02:08] <KB1JWQ> rww: I do!
[02:10] <maco> oh more
[02:11] <h00k> he came back.
[02:11] <rww> 02:10:47 <ray24> #ubuntu-ray
[02:11] <h00k> er.
[02:12] <rww> although it appears they don't know how to chanserv, so *shrug*
[02:12] <h00k> I'm getting the /queries from that person again
[02:12]  * tonyyarusso dons pie-in-the-sky hat
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> Freenode GMS will prevent creation of such channels!
[02:12]  * tonyyarusso returns to reality
[02:14] <h00k> another short round of completely original insults
[02:14] <rww> Just remember, every minute they spend being witty and creative in PM is another minute they're not figuring out how to get into #ubuntu.
[02:15] <h00k> yeah...I considered replying for an attempt to delay any ban-evading attempts
[02:16] <persia> We need better chatbot plugins for clients to have these drawn-out discussions for us.  Automation for the win.
[02:19] <rww> ooo, that's a good idea actually
[02:20] <tonyyarusso> There's a decent supybot one
[02:21] <rww> http://scripts.irssi.org/html/eliza.pl.html :D
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> eliza is ollllllllld
[02:23] <nhandler> Pici: re: The staff factoid, I don't think it is a big deal either way. If you just want to make us aware of something, a simple PM might be more effective, but there is nothing wrong with hilighting us via the factoid.
[02:23] <persia> But perhaps exhaustingly patient when responding to insults, especially when seeded occasionally by human input to indicate it's not entirely a bot (although I'm unsure of freenode policy wrt cyborgs)
[02:25] <gpc> did you know you could change the topic in channels that are not +t even without @
[02:25] <rww> Yes. Yes I do know.
[02:26] <gpc> even though it is trollish. I admit to partaking in the fun once
[02:26] <gpc> :)
[02:27] <rww> time to take that script and adapt it to respond if $nick PMs me
[02:28] <rww> oh. requires Chatbot::Eliza. isn't packaged, way too lazy to install manually.
[02:30] <persia> It's in your local hardy mirror, if you want.
[02:30] <nhandler> persia: I have a feeling cyborgs would fall under the bot policy. Basically, they are fine if you have permission to have them in the channel.
[02:31] <persia> nhandler, makes sense, and probably also falls under some don't-ask-don't-tell model, as it might be hard to determine the level of automation without investigation into the client configuration.
[02:31] <rww> I have a feeling that autobleh makes me less than 100% human.
[02:31] <persia> Indeed it does.
[02:32] <Pici> nhandler: roger that.
[02:33] <rww> psh, they deleted chatbot-eliza for being "unpopular, unmaintained, lame"
[02:33] <rww> heretics
[02:36] <elky> in other words, someone's pride got hurt.
[02:36] <nhandler> rww: Yeah, all packages in Debian need a maintainer. If you poke me, I could probably get it re-uploaded through the pkg-perl team ;)
[02:36] <persia> unpopular is a poor reason.  unmaintained is something you could volunteer to fix, if you liked.  lame is subjective.
[02:37] <elky> lame is probably the most telling
[02:42] <KB1JWQ> I do like that sdate is still there.
[02:43] <rww> I like that ddate is installed by default.
[02:43] <rww> (Today is Setting Orange, the 35th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3177)
[02:44] <elky> heh
[02:44] <jrib> wth is ddate
[02:45] <rww> it outputs the current Discordian date
[02:45] <jrib> ah
[02:45] <rww> ( http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/41.php )
[02:47]  * rww giggles at #freenode
[02:48] <rww> which of you is still PMing him? I stopped 25 minutes ago :\
[02:48] <maco> im not
[02:49] <h00k> I'm not
[02:49] <h00k> I haven't respondd at all
[03:18] <KB1JWQ> I also like the sl package.
[03:18] <maco> ditto
[03:30] <rww> pwnt
[03:31] <h00k> yes
[03:41] <KB1JWQ> I've been shockingly helpful today in #ubuntu.  The downside to that is there are entirely too many people who don't know how to properly ask a question.
[03:43] <gpc> welcome to irc
[03:44] <persia> If only the phenomenon described was limited to IRC :(
[03:45] <h00k> persia: what mean you things people real do life think?
[03:45] <rww> h00k: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
[03:46] <h00k> rww: That's what it is! Yes.
[03:46] <persia> h00k, Conventionally, the activity of the individual, when seeking to achieve some goal, especially one dearly required, especially important ones, please?
[03:47] <h00k> persia: still no verb!
[03:48] <persia> "please" is a verb: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/please
[03:48] <persia> I think you mean "No independent clause!!"
[03:48] <highvoltage> please please me
[03:49] <persia> That's definitely the model of the very best of pleas
[03:49] <h00k> Not used there, it wasn't, one could argue! Anyway, yes, no independent clause.
[03:49] <highvoltage> it's from The Beatles
[03:55] <KB1JWQ> cobra42_ is likely to become a problem, FYI.
[03:57]  * h00k hops over
[03:57] <bazhang> cobra2_ ?
[03:57] <KB1JWQ> Er, yes.
[04:20] <KB1JWQ> And there he is giving sudo rm -rf advice.
[04:21] <KB1JWQ> gpc: Depressing that I called it.
[04:21] <bazhang> got him in PM
[04:26] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: Anything of substance?
[04:27] <h00k> ubuntu.com is down
[04:27] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, trying to get him to read the code of conduct and guidelines currently
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> 20:27:34 [freenode]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)] unmute me in ##ubuntu
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> 20:27:46 [freenode]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>)] be4 spam
[04:28] <KB1JWQ> In my PM.
[04:32] <elky> It's moments like that which I really really want a RT instance for the irc team
[04:33] <elky> It'd also make it easier for people to ask for cloaks, etc.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> elky: So we to can deal with problems 2 years after they occur?
[04:33] <elky> tonyyarusso, well as it is, we're not dealing with non-urgent issues that nobody reads 12hrs of scrollback to find.
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> It's true
[04:33] <rww> I read every line in -ops.
[04:33] <rww> Have done for months.
[04:33]  * tonyyarusso is trying to set up Trac at work, failing at the authentication stuff :(
[04:34] <rww> My head is /so full of useless crap/ now.
[04:34] <elky> That is, factoid suggestions/edits, cloaks, non-urgent channel maintenance.
[04:34] <elky> It'd be *awesome* to be able to mark stuff done off.
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> Why use something other than Launchpad though?
[04:34] <persia> Any reason not to use an LP project for that?
[04:34] <elky> tonyyarusso, like rt, which the sysadmins use?
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> persia: Too slow!
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> elky: right
[04:35] <rww> too user unfriendly
[04:35] <h00k> synical appears to be a bot in #ubuntu, responded to !uptime,not sure who it belongs to
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> RT is kinda clunky, and Yet Another Account
[04:35] <KB1JWQ> I've gotten trac working for jquery.com, let me know if you need a hand, tonyyarusso.
[04:35] <bazhang> he's been asked to turn off that script before h00k
[04:35] <elky> rww, it's too user-unfriendly to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:35] <persia> RT is mostly interesting if you want queue management, which I doubt there is a need to handle for the volume of requests.
[04:35] <rww> elky: i meant LP
[04:35] <h00k> bazhang: do you know who it belongs to?
[04:35] <elky> rww, ohgodsyes
[04:36] <persia> elky, RT admin is a bit more overhead.
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> KB1JWQ: Will do.  My hangup has been getting the form-based database auth and user registration going, as opposed to the default Apache auth and manual user definitions.
[04:36] <KB1JWQ> Rather than RT I'd probably suggest JIRA.  Free for open source projects even. :-p
[04:36] <h00k> bazhang: or is it synical's client
[04:36] <elky> persia, so if we had a lp project for "irc request queue" or whatever, what would we tell people to email to to start a ticket?
[04:36] <bazhang> h00k, a script I think, check his host
[04:37] <h00k> yeah...
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> elky: If people e-mail to start a ticket, they'll expect someone to e-mail them back :(
[04:37] <elky> tonyyarusso, the closing off of the ticket would send the email automatically
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> elky: but not *right away*
[04:37] <persia> elky<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but it's not lovely: see https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[04:37] <h00k> bazhang: isn't responding to queries
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> If we wait four days to deal with their cloak they'll be all "HELLO?  DOES ANYBODY READ THIS MAILBOX?"
[04:38] <elky> tonyyarusso, you can configure automatically reply with "it's in our queue we won't lose it here like we will in irc."
[04:38] <elky> or whatevs
[04:38] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, synical is just sitting there with that script going. Irritating to be sure.
[04:38] <bazhang> synical, hi
[04:39] <rww> We don't lose cloak requests, though. There are awesome people in #ubuntu-irc that throw rocks at IRCC until they appear ;P
[04:39] <h00k> synical: I had you forwarded you here because your script is enabled in #ubuntu.
[04:39]  * rww still thinks a ticket system would be nice, though
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> elky: People should be used to submitting things on Launchpad for Ubuntu anyway - I don't see why and e-mail interface is important or useful for this.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> rww: agreed on that much
[04:40] <elky> tonyyarusso, because people disconnect from irc occasionally.
[04:40] <elky> normal people. not people like you.
[04:40] <h00k> they do??
[04:40] <rww> h00k: yeah. Linode goes down sometimes.
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> elky: Huh?  What does that have to do with anything?
[04:41] <elky> tonyyarusso, lots. I don't have to have a list by my computer of people who i have to look out for to tell something I did last week
[04:41] <h00k> I have a feeling synical is afk and is going to sit here for a while.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> elky: ...
[04:41] <rww> elky: tonyyarusso's suggesting using LP as a ticketing system, not not using a ticketing system or just using IRC.
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> elky: We're discussing web interface vs. e-mail interface.  We agree on the usefulness of a ticketing system.  See above.
[04:41] <bazhang> h00k, he's never been responsive to PM over the past few weeks
[04:42] <h00k> fantastic.
[04:42] <elky> tonyyarusso, ah got confused. either way, launchpad *is* confusing. unless you want "i want a cloak" raised as a bug against "ubuntu"
[04:42] <tonyyarusso> elky: bug against "ubuntu-irc-stuffs", or something similar.
[04:42] <elky> an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or something would be less losable
[04:42] <h00k> do...um..we want to remove synical from here for the time bein, the?
[04:43] <h00k> then, rather.
[04:43] <elky> tonyyarusso, launchpad then gets to try talk them out of raising a bug, and asking things they don't need
[04:43] <gpc> Why can't some one on each RMB be given auth to request a cloak be applied?
[04:44] <elky> gpc, because we can't have that many GCs and still have the ircc with any?
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> elky: if you must you could easily implement a mail handler that would take their e-mail, shift things around and add fields to fit the launchpad new bugs e-mail format, and forward it along.
[04:44] <elky> tonyyarusso, thanks for volunteering.
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> :P
[04:44]  * tonyyarusso probably could, hrm
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> Although a simplified web form would be even easier.
[04:45] <elky> i'm sure the sysadmin team would love their sysadmin rt's moved to launchpad too.
[04:45] <persia> gpc, There's several other non-RMB groups that can grant membership.
[04:45] <persia> elky, I know of a request to do that, but it's blocked on LP not supporting multiple queues in any sane way.
[04:45] <gpc> ok so, what is the problem with adding a few other people to do it.
[04:46] <gpc> 1- membership approved 2- add to proper team in launchpad 3- ask staff to apply cloak.
[04:46] <rww> there's no reason to. cloak processing is not bottlenecked by there not being enough GCs.
[04:46] <rww> not significantly, anyway
[04:46] <h00k> Can someone remove synical until they're ready to come back and discuss their bot in #ubuntu?
[04:47] <h00k> woo!
[04:47] <h00k> thanks.
[04:47] <elky> erm. that should probably have had a message. you might want to pm him to that regard.
[04:48] <h00k> will do
[04:48] <bazhang> * You have been invited to #KB1JWQtheLier by unmute_me`
[04:48] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: It gets better.
[04:48] <bazhang> should I join?
[04:48] <KB1JWQ> Apparently the last time I talked to him I "offered to make him freenode staff."
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> I didn't.
[04:49] <h00k> oh, nice.
[04:49] <h00k> CAN I HAZ STAFF
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> I forsee no problems with making him staff, does anyone else? :-p
[04:49] <bazhang> thats cobra2_ I'd guess
[04:49] <KB1JWQ> Indeed.
[04:49] <bazhang> hehe ...no!
[04:50] <KB1JWQ> "You there!
[04:51] <persia> sometimes it works.  Responsibility does strange things to people.  Mind you, it's only recommended in cases where the other options are equally stark.
[04:52] <rww> Responsibility does very strange things to people. Just look at funkyHat.
[04:53] <bazhang> absconded
[04:54] <elky> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-02-03/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DilbertDailyStrip+(Dilbert+Daily+Strip)
[04:54] <rww> s/\?.*$// ;P
[04:55] <rww> also, this explains a lot.
[05:29] <bazhang> * You have been invited to #fffk by cobra2_   still no response via PM after the initial abrasive commentary
[05:33] <gpc> ExplodingPiglets needs a cool down period
[05:34] <bazhang> I've alerted freenode staff, he's doing in several channels on the network
[05:43] <gpc> hate doing that in there but sometimes it's the only way
[05:47] <Flannel> rww: Hour? or what?
[05:47] <rww> until he gets bored and goes to bed
[06:53] <Flannel> gpc: Taking care of it
[06:53] <bazhang> * [culb] (freebsd@mindboggle.us): culb   is a bot?
[06:53] <gpc> responds to google
[06:53] <gpc> err !google
[06:53]  * Flannel sighs.
[06:53] <gpc> quieted for now
[06:54] <gpc> will msg and ask to turn it off
[06:59] <bazhang> * [Guest74074] (~nexus@host86-154-125-176.range86-154.btcentralplus.com): nexus   ban forward?
[06:59] <gpc> no response from culb, told them to either come here or send me a PM when they have disabled the script.
[06:59] <gpc> bazhang: yes, I would.
[07:00] <gpc> as for culb I'm going to leave the +q for now.
[07:00] <Flannel> gpc: Suggest a ban instead of a quiet (banforward even).  Quiets aren't apparent.  If he misses your query, he'll never know he's quieted.
[07:00] <gpc> Flannel: ok will set a forward
[07:04] <gpc> keep an eye open for r007
[07:05] <bazhang> was that guest r007 ?
[07:05] <gpc> don't think so
[07:07] <Flannel> Looks like it.
[07:07] <gpc> but he was giving suspect advice yesterday
[07:07] <Flannel> 22:57 -!- Guest74074<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[07:07] <Flannel> 23:01 -!- r007<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[07:07] <bazhang> okay. searching in bt under 86-154 brings them both up
[07:07] <gpc> I didn't really look
[07:07] <Flannel> Would explain the chip on his shoulder
[07:08] <bazhang> then he immediately joined as r007 thereafter
[07:09] <bazhang> whoa, just prior
[07:37] <gpc> so if it takes two years to break a password he is not going to worry about it?
[08:16] <bazhang> like herding cats today :/
[09:16] <Tm_T> jayne: that annoying guy now in #freenode... he's there only for causing disruption
[09:16]  * Tm_T waves to all the log readers out there
[11:32] <AbhijiT> is there anyone handling ubuntu free cd to whome i can talk about a thing?
[11:32] <AbhijiT> or email?
[11:33] <jpds> AbhijiT: shipit.ubuntu.com?
[11:33] <AbhijiT> yeah
[11:33] <AbhijiT> but jpds actually thing is i need to talk about how much should i order in bulk? so that it get approved? i am giving seminar in front of frends and teachers
[11:33] <AbhijiT> they all are from computer field.
[11:34] <jpds> You would have to talk to your local community team.
[11:34] <AbhijiT> okay
[11:35] <AbhijiT> i wil talk to ubuntu india then.
[11:35] <AbhijiT> thanks jpds
[11:35] <AbhijiT> bye
[13:03] <Pici> its 42!
[13:22] <jpds> Pici: It's*
[13:22] <Pici> I always mess that up.
[13:23] <ikonia> be thankful gord or rww is not awake to punish grammar
[13:24] <Pici> Now that you've pinged them they might be.
[13:24] <gord> i would never punish grammar =\
[13:26] <jpds> Pici: You should learn Russian.
[13:27] <jpds> Pici: They just say: "It 42" - so awesome.
[13:28] <persia> Having a special verb to indicate predicates is for unevolved languages :)
[14:33] <Pici> meh
[15:05]  * genii-around makes a pot of coffee
[15:09] <bazhang> Bipul`, hi
[15:09] <ikonia> hello Jungli
[15:09] <Bipul`> ikonia,  i am not jungli i am Bipul`
[15:09] <Bipul`> i think you have to google this word "jungli"
[15:09] <ikonia> interesting, you switched user in #ubuntu-in from Blockcold the other day, while wearing a cloak
[15:10] <Bipul`> what ?
[15:10] <Bipul`> bazhang,  hi
[15:10] <Bipul`> i am not Blockcold
[15:10] <ikonia> Bipul`: you joined #ubuntu-in the other day as the cloakded user, switched user to bigpul` and then said "hi ikonia"
[15:11] <jpds> Hmm.
[15:11] <Bipul`> i dont know what you saying but one statment i understand that that i have said you hi
[15:11] <Bipul`> yes i do said that
[15:13] <Bipul`> ikonia,  May i know the valid reasone ?
[15:13] <ikonia> Bipul`: the reason I've just said
[15:13] <Bipul`> what ?
 Bipul`: you joined #ubuntu-in the other day as the cloakded user, switched user to bigpul` and then said "hi ikonia"<-- this is the reasone ? guys any one can understand this then please make me understood
[15:13] <ikonia> you joined #ubuntu-in using a known nickname for the user "jungli" changed nicknames to bipul` and said "hi ikonia"
[15:14] <ikonia> you're ident also is a variation of what the user jungli uses
[15:14]  * jpds understands it.
[15:14] <Bipul`> jungli means forest man
[15:14] <ikonia> you also knew to join this channel when I banned you from #ubuntu-ops
[15:14] <Bipul`> and this language is widely used as a name
[15:15] <Bipul`> ikonia,  my freind told me to join this channel
[15:15] <Bipul`> and ask the reasone behind it
[15:15] <ikonia> who told you that ?
[15:16] <Bipul`> ubuntu-in users
[15:16] <Bipul`> told me when i told about this incident
[15:16] <ikonia> where ?
[15:16] <ikonia> who
[15:17] <ikonia> who ?
[15:17] <Bipul`> who means what  i just told this incident in ubuntu-in
[15:17] <ikonia> who told you
[15:17] <ikonia> I'm in #ubuntu-in and no-one told you to join
[15:17] <ikonia> so who told you to join
[15:18] <ikonia> Bipul`: please come back when you are in a position to answer the questions

[15:19] <Bipul`> shadelayer told me
[15:20] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:20] <ikonia> shadeslayer, thank you for joining, did you tell Bipul` to join #ubuntu-ops ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:21] <ikonia> ok, apologies for asking you to join to clarify that, I just wanted it logged on record
[15:21] <shadeslayer> i told him to talk to you :)
[15:21] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you're of course welcome to leave and I apologise for taking up your time
[15:21] <shadeslayer> righto
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ikonia: sure .. no problem :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> cya guys :)
[15:21] <ikonia> thanks
[15:21] <Bipul`> ?
[15:21] <ikonia> shadeslayer did not ask you to join this channel
[15:22] <Bipul`> abhijit
[15:22] <ikonia> actually, I'm not wasting any more time with this
[15:22] <Bipul`> just call this nick here
[15:22] <Bipul`> AbhijiT> Bipul`, contact #ubuntu-ops
[15:22] <ikonia> I saw you swap nicks from blockcold the other day and say my name, and it was reported to freenode, they know the situation, I'll follow this up with freenode
[15:23] <Bipul`> ikonia,  listen man when i said i am not the "i am not"
[15:23] <ikonia> I don't believe you so I'm going to leave that there.
[15:23] <Bipul`> now do what ever you want i don't caer
[15:23] <Bipul`> bye
[15:26] <bazhang> bushman is not following the forums thread for his issue that has been provided to him by Gnea and I
[15:26] <ikonia> I know
[15:26] <ikonia> I don't think he's being honest
[15:27] <bazhang> there are at least two suggested fixes in that thread
[15:27] <ikonia> is it actually known problem with this device ?
[15:30] <bazhang> seems that just checking/unchecking the bluetooth support checkbox does it
[15:30] <ikonia> it can't be that simple ?
[15:31] <bazhang> but he has not run any of that, nor done any of the suggested commands. it's worked since at least hardy
[15:38] <ikonia> freenode are checking on bipul` and jungli's multiple cloak stuff as that's not allowed
[15:40] <Tm_T> thanks
[16:04] <bazhang> have them both in PM
[16:04] <Pici> hm?
[16:04] <bazhang> gnea / bushman
[16:04] <Pici> ah
[16:05] <bazhang> he was targeting ikonia earlier, now gnea
[16:07] <Pici> thanks idoru
[16:07] <mneptok> sex and sex and sex and sex and LOOKIT ME! I BEEN SHATTERED!
[16:08] <mneptok> sha-dooby
[16:08] <Pici> :D
[16:09] <bazhang> well they're both ignoring my advice to stop responding to one another
[16:27] <bazhang> * [Compositor] (~timmyt@pool-72-91-149-20.tampfl.fios.verizon.net): Apples Oranges Kiwi   seems to be hoober etal
[16:28] <Pici> bazhang, maco: thanks
[16:28] <bazhang> Pici, it was maco who spotted
[16:29] <bazhang> he asking for a cloak recently as well
[16:31] <rww> It makes me happy that he appears to only have access to a small number of hostnames.
[16:32] <Pici> shhh ;)
[16:41] <bazhang> nogo seems to be going ot in +1
[16:41] <bazhang> ie user guest from earlier
[16:42] <Pici> ugh, hes in #ubuntu-release too.. /me watches
[16:47] <Bipul`> ikonia, can i pm you ?
[16:48] <ikonia> 1 moment
[16:48] <Bipul`> ok
[16:52] <Bipul`> ikonia, ?
[16:57] <ikonia> 1 moment please
[16:57] <Bipul`> ok
[16:58] <ikonia> ok, I'm free now, I was just on the phone
[17:00] <Bipul`> well but i am not jungli :|
[17:00] <ikonia> ok. I may be wrong, but I disagree.
[17:00] <Bipul`> it's just a  nick and also i have mine ssh account with name jungli s0 some time i login irc via my ssh account
[17:01] <Bipul`> the word jungli means "Forest man" mogli
[17:01] <ikonia> ok, but that doesn't change anything
[17:01] <Bipul`> it's a popular nick
[17:01] <Bipul`> yes but what i did?
[17:02] <Bipul`> and i do remember i saw you in ubuntu-in
[17:02] <Bipul`> and i said hellow to you
[17:02] <ikonia> again, that doesn't change anything
[17:02] <Bipul`> no but what i did?
[17:03] <ikonia> Bipul`: I believe you are the user "jungli" who is a known problem user in ubuntu, I have put a ban on you in #ubuntu at this time
[17:03] <Bipul`> it's really important channel (ubuntu) for me and you have banned me
[17:04] <Bipul`> i am making a module for familiar with linux and i get most of help from  #ubuntu
[17:04] <Bipul`> for mine college
[17:04] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that, if any of the others feel I am likley wrong, they can remove the ban and I offer my sincere apologies to you, but based on the information I have I believe you are jungli
[17:04] <Bipul`> ikonia,  but i am not !
[17:04] <Bipul`> I AM NOT JUNGLI jungli is just a nick
[17:04] <ikonia> ok, I disagree on that,
[17:05] <bazhang> yeah thats really offensive
[17:05] <bazhang> bobmarley
[17:05] <ikonia> he's gone
[17:05] <Bipul`> ikonia,  i have helped many peoples
[17:05] <Bipul`> in ubuntu channels
[17:05] <ikonia> that doesn't change anything.
[17:05] <ikonia> I have asked freenode to also look into this
[17:06] <ikonia> if they come back with an opinion that you are not the same user, then again, I offer my sincere apologies, but I have to trust the information I have
[17:06] <Bipul`> ikonia,  yes most welcome
[17:06] <Bipul`> if you have the logs just go through that
[17:06] <ikonia> that proves nothing
[17:06] <Bipul`> ok fine then you must ask to freenode
[17:06] <Bipul`> as this channel #ubuntu is really important for me
[17:07] <Bipul`> no i will wait for the freenode report
[17:07] <Bipul`> you take you time
[17:07] <Tm_T> Bipul`: you have used the nick "Vipul" too, right?
[17:07] <Bipul`> yes
[17:07] <Bipul`> i use this nick vipul
[17:07] <Tm_T> roger, just checking
[17:12] <ikonia> Bipul`: ok, I'll take a gamble, I'll remove the ban in #ubuntu
[17:13] <ikonia> Bipul`: I have removed the ban in #ubuntu
 bazhang, where is for complaints?
[17:14] <ikonia> direct him in
[17:14] <Bipul`> ikonia,  no but you 1st clear you doubt
[17:14] <ikonia> I have to put faith in your intentions
[17:15] <ikonia> Bipul`: I can't, that's the issue,
[17:15] <Bipul`> if this nick really harms the ubuntu community  then you must ask the report of freenode ops
[17:15] <ikonia> I have already done that, but that will take time to resolve, so I can either have faith in you and remove the ban, as I have done, or leave you banned
[17:15] <smallfoot> hi im here cuz bazhang has asked me to come here by special invitation
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: you asked where to make a complaint ?
[17:16] <smallfoot> i have ubuntu 10.10 maverick
[17:16] <smallfoot> yes
[17:16] <smallfoot> i would like copmlain
[17:16] <bazhang> smallfoot, you need not complain in #ubuntu
[17:16] <smallfoot> oh
[17:16] <ikonia> oh, wait
[17:16] <ikonia> is this a complaint about ubuntu ?
[17:16] <smallfoot> yes
[17:16] <ikonia> or the ubuntu channel
[17:16] <smallfoot> the ubuntu
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: ok, well there is no complaints channel for the OS, it's a free community project
[17:16] <smallfoot> i have 10.10 and im upset that i must have 2.6.35 kernel
[17:16] <smallfoot> i want have 2.6.37
[17:16] <bazhang> he's done this before as well though
[17:16] <ikonia> smallfoot: you can log bugs or feature requests on launchpad.net
[17:17] <ikonia> smallfoot: sorry, launchpad.net is the website you need to log a bug or feature request
[17:17] <smallfoot> yeah so if i post on launchpad that i want 2.6.37, someone will give it?
[17:17] <ikonia> smallfoot: no, but it becomes an option that someone may chose to work on
[17:17] <smallfoot> well then linus puts out 2.6.38
[17:17] <Bipul`> ikonia,  thanks alot
[17:17] <smallfoot> and what i must do? tell everyone again to put 2.6.38 on my computer
[17:17] <ikonia> Bipul`: ok
[17:18] <Bipul`> :)
[17:18] <smallfoot> this is always same thing!!
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: no, you don't update the kernels as they come out
[17:18] <smallfoot> always i must wait, wait, wait and have old boring crap technology from leacy old
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: either way, this isn't a support channel,
[17:18] <smallfoot> i can never ever have new stuff
[17:18] <popey> you can
[17:18] <smallfoot> why i must have old stuff? give me new stuff!
[17:18] <popey> i just told you how in #ubuntu
[17:18] <ikonia> smallfoot: launchpad.net is the place to log feature requests
[17:20] <ikonia> bazhang: apologies, I missunderstood what was meant by complaint
[17:21] <ikonia> Bipul`: if you're ok now, you can leave this channel
[17:21] <jpds> smallfoot: why exactly do you want .38?
[17:21] <bazhang> ikonia, well he always does this, best to get it done in here
[17:21] <Bipul`> ikonia,  yes :)
[17:21] <Bipul`> bye
[17:22] <smallfoot> jpds, cuz it has faster performance!!
[17:22] <smallfoot> it has integrated desktop responsive performance
[17:22] <ikonia> smallfoot: you've been told how to log a feature request,
[17:23] <ikonia> so unless you need something more from the operator time, you're welcome to leave this channel and go back to your irc day
[17:24] <smallfoot> ok
[17:24] <smallfoot> you only want trick me to make launchpad post
[17:24] <smallfoot> then they will ignore it
[17:24] <jpds> Potentially.
[17:24] <ikonia> then we can't help any more
[17:24] <smallfoot> like if anyone will listen to me on launchpad and make 2.6.37 on maverick for me?
[17:24] <ikonia> smallfoot: we are not a support channel
[17:24] <smallfoot> they will put on NEW then CLOSED
[17:24] <ikonia> there isn't much point discussing this more
[17:24] <smallfoot> ok
[17:24] <Tm_T> smallfoot: they will listen you there more than here
[17:24] <smallfoot> okbye
[17:24] <jpds> But if you want the latest features and bleeding edge stuff, you have to run the dev release.
[17:25] <ikonia> he just wants version numbers
[17:25] <bazhang> he's been banned multiple times for that
[17:25] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't check BT
[17:25] <bazhang> smallfoot-
[17:25] <jpds> I like the route he's taking with jrib.
[17:27] <ikonia> if he knows what he's doing is wrong, then end it
[17:29] <jrib> aww
[17:29] <jrib> oh well have to go anyway
[17:30] <bazhang> bobmarley promised to stop using the hindi curses / abuse in #ubuntu via PM
[17:30] <ikonia> great
[17:30] <bazhang> ie I was in PM with him
[17:30] <mneptok> lively up yourself.
[17:32] <KB1JWQ> My day helping out in #ubuntu yesterday inspired me to pick up my (untouched for 8 months) netbook and upgrade the version of Lucid instsalled on it.
[17:32] <KB1JWQ> ..at which point it proceeded to eat itself.
[17:32] <jrib> feature
[17:33] <KB1JWQ> I figured as much. :-)
[17:33] <KB1JWQ> "Keep Linux in the datacenter where it belongs" is the subtext from that discussion. :-p
[17:37] <Tm_T> FYI: I might be unavailable due to power outages so don't count on me (;
[17:37] <h00k> I'm on hold and the coffee is way over there *points*
[17:40] <jono> can someone please +m #ubuntu-meeting
[17:41] <pleia2> additionally, would it be possible to get the ubuntu member cloak added to the access list there?
[17:41] <Tm_T> pleia2: +1 (x10)
[17:42] <bazhang> popey, has access there
[17:43] <jono> is there no op who can fix this now?
[17:44] <ikonia> maybe it should fall under the core channels
[17:44] <ikonia> not got ops in there any more, I had it at the last but one UDS
[17:45] <Tm_T> KB1JWQ: you up?
[17:46] <ikonia> mquin: is around
[17:46] <ikonia> just pinged
[17:46] <Tm_T> rogery
[17:47] <KB1JWQ> Howdy.
[17:47] <KB1JWQ> What did we need done?
[17:48] <h00k> +m in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:48] <h00k> KB1JWQ: ^
[17:49] <h00k> Thanks, KB1JWQ
[17:49] <pleia2> we moved to -classroom
[17:49] <pleia2> no need now
[17:49] <bazhang> hehe
[17:49] <KB1JWQ> Want anyone opped?
[17:50] <pleia2> KB1JWQ: the chat moved to -classroom, -meeting doesn't need to be moderated anymore
[17:50] <KB1JWQ> Okay, sorted. :-)
[17:50] <pleia2> it would be nice if we could get the ubutu member cloak added to the access list in -meeting though (I can formally send an email to the IRCC if required)
[17:50] <KB1JWQ> What's the chat on?
[17:50] <ikonia> no
[17:51] <KB1JWQ> pleia2: Probably best to go about it that way.
[17:51] <ikonia> the ubuntu/member cloak should not be added to any access list
[17:51] <pleia2> KB1JWQ: thanks, will do
[17:51] <ikonia> it's persistantly abused
[17:51] <KB1JWQ> (And this is why!)
[17:51] <ikonia> hence why it was removed
[17:51] <pleia2> oh :\
[17:51] <pleia2> it works great in -classroom
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> Should probably get some folks added to the ACL so y'all can handle such things going forward.
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> I don't mind doing it any, but there are times when we're busy / not around.
[17:52]  * pleia2 nods
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> (+m'ing places, specifically)
[17:54] <h00k> #ubuntu-meeting appears to be a mess :(
[17:56] <KB1JWQ> It does.
[19:06] <genii-around> Bleh. Work has me running around and these guys keep recommending to a user in #k to do sudo su
[19:11] <bazhang> well hes just being obtuse at this point
[19:20] <bazhang> he's trolling at this point
[19:20] <bazhang> kde is more compatible with hardware
[19:20] <ikonia> no more of this
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> Idle curiosity, what's wrong with sudo su?
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> It's about on par with sudo bash.
[19:23] <bazhang> sudo -i for root shell
[19:23] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: messes up the env
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> Well sudo su - solves that issue.
[19:23] <KB1JWQ> bazhang: Didn't know that one offhand.
[19:23] <ikonia> yes, that would populate the env properly
[19:24] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: it also writes stuff to /root
[19:29] <bazhang> hes still at it
[19:32] <ikonia> not for long
[19:32] <bazhang> dat <tab> :)
[19:47] <bazhang>  cakeIRC (~timmyt@unaffiliated/cakeirc)  hoober is now cloaked
[19:48] <genii-around> I don't think #k-u has had such lively discussion as now for a long time :)
[19:49] <KB1JWQ> Ah, he requested the cloak to evade, bazhang?
[19:49] <gpc> yes
[19:49] <Flannel> Eh, it's easy to ban the cloak
[19:49] <bazhang> KB1JWQ, already got a ban in place so no worries
[19:50] <KB1JWQ> I can decloak if that's easier.
[19:50] <bazhang> perhaps he will be a better citizen with it
[19:55] <KB1JWQ> Why was he actually banned in the first place?
[19:56] <KB1JWQ> I'm not clear on that. :-)
[19:56] <ikonia> do you want th elist
[19:56] <ikonia> the list
[19:56] <KB1JWQ> Hilights maybe? :-)
[19:56] <bazhang> nearly 40 nicks ban evasion on multiples of them
[19:56] <ikonia> constant ranting and tolling, abusive, language, attitude
[19:56] <gpc> hoober, goober, orangecard, OzoneScaredyMan, LesBooter, peronni, circlecrossdev, tartarfoofas, MorganMuffler, cromblight, IKnowWhoIAm, cromblight_, FeetAndCloth, vimber, DrummerBoy38, OzoneScaredyPant, foober, OzoneScaredyMan_, Roobet, brown_boar, TurmptTarp, Callico10, TuskRattle, bearblack_,  Shoasdf,  silvercrab,  circlecrossdev,  DrummerBoy38,  foober,  cromblight,  prosper005,  tartarfoofas, cakeIRC
[19:56] <gpc> that is all the ones I have
[19:56] <bazhang> but hopefully with something to lose he'll reform
[20:00] <maco> gpc: Compositor was added to the list today
[20:00] <gpc> heh
[20:00] <gpc> thank you
[20:00] <maco> gpc: you have cromblight twice
[20:00] <gpc> yeah I saw that
[20:01] <gpc> thought I was going to shorten the list by removing cromblight instead I added two more
[20:04] <tonyyarusso> What kind of megafail by staff allowed him to get a cloak?
[20:05] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: errr, they should be following our pet trolls as closely as we do?
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> Presumabely he's probably trolling other places to at this rate.
[20:05] <bazhang> not really
[20:05] <tonyyarusso> huh
[20:05] <bazhang> obsessed with ubuntu it seems
[20:11] <KB1JWQ> Precisely.  I didn't correlate it until just now.
[20:12] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: but really, it's our failing that we don't keep staff informed if anything (:
[20:12] <gpc> seems our days are numbered
[20:12]  * gpc starts counting
[20:13] <bazhang> he only bothers #freenode apart from #ubuntu channels that I have seen
[20:14] <gpc> @mark #ubuntu leftist<EMAIL_ADDRESS>leftist> i also wanted to say that there are a couple of punk ass op's in here and your days are numbered you asswhipes.
[20:15] <bazhang> jbib1
[20:24] <maco> bazhang: did you also get that what that person said to me was "thanks, i know"?
[20:25] <maco> apparently i know just enough russian to recognise insolence?
[20:25] <bazhang> maco, yes, they were disrupting
[21:46] <rww> ikonia: any examples of *!*@ubuntu/member/* being abused? The only one I've ever heard about is people failing at operating in #ubuntu-release-party.
[21:51] <rww> KB1JWQ: assuming I'm reading /whowas and nickserv right, thanks very much for removing cakeIRC's cloak.
[21:57] <KB1JWQ> rww: No worries, although it was based upon violations of network policy. :-)
[22:02] <popey> rww: I'd be interested in hearing about people abusing their ubuntu cloak
[22:02] <gpc> I don't recall ever seeing abuse of that sort
[22:03] <rww> It was less abuse and more idiocy, if memory serves. Either way, it's why ubuntu/member lost access in #u-r-p.
[22:03] <popey> didnt realise it had
[22:03] <Flannel> There was one guy in -r-p a few cycles ago that was just bad at being an operator, abuse of privledge, etc.
[22:03] <gpc> failing at opping is not a crime
[22:03] <gpc> it happens to the best of us
[22:03] <Flannel> gpc: No, it's not.  But it's why the cloak hasn't given privledges in -r-p since
[22:05] <gpc> instead of removing the privilege from all it should be used as an example of how not to act.
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> gpc++
[22:06] <rww> dangit. by the time I found my BT login, I forgot what I wanted to look for in there.
[22:07] <Flannel> rww: puppies
[22:07] <gpc> I can understand the lapse of judgement in a case where you have never had ops and go a little power happy.
[22:08] <gpc> why you looking for your bt login
[22:08] <gpc> why not just @btlogin and get a new one
[22:08] <rww> because generating new ones when I have valid old ones is silly ;O
[22:08] <gpc> ok
[22:09] <rww> oh, that's right. I removed the cakeirc cloak ban and was going to comment that it was just because that cloak doesn't exist any more.
[22:27] <rww> gpc: there are only about<PHONE_NUMBER>00000000000000000000000000000 possible session URLs. We have to conserve resources ;)
[22:28] <gpc> it all ends in 2012 anyway not to mention the 60 trillion tone asteroid hurling towards earth
[22:29] <Tm_T> gpc: no, 2018 when moon nazis come
[22:29] <gpc> Don't we have enough to worry about
[22:30] <gpc> bazhang: obvious troll with that nick
[22:30] <gpc> I just removed them from #u
[22:46] <rww> gpc: am I missing something in BT ID 37156? looks like uranus_gas_giant joined #ubuntu right after pauline used bad language, said nothing, and you removed uranus_gas_giant instead of pauline :\
[22:47] <gpc> the nick/ident combo is offensive imo
[22:48] <gpc> or atleast not family friendly
[22:49] <gpc> I gave pauline !language and they didn't say anything afterwards and chose to part the channel
[22:50] <rww> ah. Our definitions of "offensive nick" differ; explains why I was confused.
[22:50] <gpc> if I am wrong about the nick/ident please tell me
[22:50] <rww> I think you're wrong, but it's a subjective rule, not an objective one.
[22:51] <gpc> yeah offensive is probably not the right word but family friendly I still don't think it is
[22:52] <rww> either way, if you didn't PM them explaining why you removed them, it might be a good idea. Unless I'm just dense and normal people would have figured it out.
[22:53] <rww> although apparently they care more about being silly in -ot anyway.
[22:53] <gpc> seems so
[22:53] <gpc> no I didn't pm. I did give them !guidelines which iirc mentions something about being family friendly '
[22:54] <charlie-tca> rww: similar to u r anus  in english?
[22:54] <gpc> had the ident not been buttman I probably would not have removed them
[22:55] <rww> charlie-tca: I know.
[23:18] <maco> its like the first episode of space cases. teacher is doing rolecall. "bova from...uranus?"
[23:22] <Flannel> gpc: Not everyone receives the contents of part messages, you should never rely on that.
[23:22] <Flannel> Also, it would've been nice to query first, asking for a nick change prior to actual action being taken.
[23:22] <Flannel> Could be a perfectly reasonable fellow
[23:35] <tsimpson> Flannel: ubottu looks for factoids in removals and will /msg them
[23:36] <Flannel> tsimpson: I'm glad we have a bot that enables us to be lazy.
[23:37] <tsimpson> it's a feature, it's not supposed to be a replacement for people actually talking


[00:55] <dewman> !wolfe
[00:55] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about wolfe
[00:55] <dewman> !help
[00:55] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[00:55] <dewman> !wolfie
[00:55] <Zinn> Come play 2 rounds of #wolfie and get assistance with your issue
[01:55] <mrand> heh.  weekend's aren't the optimal time to collect up people to play wolfie
[02:17] <McNever> hey guys... hows it goen... anybody here us sipie?
[02:33] <mrand> us sipie?
[03:28] <McNever> use sipie rather
[04:11] <mrand> McNever: lots of discussions on the ubuntu forums on it
[04:14] <McNever> yeah... i've looked around and some people seem to be getting the same error i am but the solution that works for them isnt working for me
[10:08] <AYarter> Hey all. I'm moving my emulator / media box to linux (finally ditching windows).  I want to try mythubuntu, but I'm curious about the memory req
[10:08] <AYarter> oops.
[10:09] <AYarter> Hey all. I'm moving my emulator / media box to linux (finally ditching windows).  I want to try mythubuntu, but I'm curious about the memory req
[10:09] <AYarter> I have 512 megs on this box. Will that be okay to launch emulators and play movies? I won't be doing any encoding/decoding
[10:10] <AYarter> well, I guess I will be decoding, but only what I watch. Let me know! Thanks1
[10:12] <AYarter> !help
[10:12] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[11:49] <qwebirc1635> Anyone here?
[11:50] <qwebirc1635> I want to use this PC through a router to load mythbuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso from a CD that I have tested as bootable to a media server. I am using the instructions from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto and I am currently stuck on step 4c. I have assigned both the pxe server and the media server static IPs through the router.
[11:50] <Zinn> [help.ubuntu.com] DisklessUbuntuHowto - Community Ubuntu Documentation
[11:53] <Daviey> qwebirc1635: is this for an all in one, or frontend system?
[11:54] <qwebirc1635> standalone... both frontend and backend
[11:54] <Daviey> qwebirc1635: sorry, what is step 4c?
[11:54] <Daviey> brb
[11:56] <qwebirc1635> # Create default configuration file /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default  LABEL linux KERNEL vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-686 APPEND root=/dev/nfs initrd=initrd.img-2.6.15-23-686 nfsroot=<IP_ADDRESS>:/nfsroot ip=dhcp rw  NOTE1: your nfs server IP address, kernel name, and initrd name will likely be different. If you have a preconfigured system the names should be the names of the kernel and initrd (see below) on the client system NOTE2:
[11:59] <qwebirc1635> how do i find the kernel version without installing first?
[11:59] <qwebirc1635> off this CD?
[12:04] <Daviey> qwebirc1635: You could come back to it
[12:04] <Daviey> if you install on a machine infront of you, you can rsync it over to the NFS mount
[12:04] <Daviey> then you have all the info you need
[12:04] <Daviey> and you have the NFS stuff done :)
[12:06] <qwebirc1635> true, didn't think to dual boot this system... Thnx
[12:06] <qwebirc1635> I am Igmu Hammerer, if I figure out how to login to IRC with my handle.
[12:08] <Jay2k1> you could also type /nick hammerer
[12:08] <Jay2k1> that'd be a start :)
[12:11] <qwebirc1635> thnx, i am chating through http://www.mythbuntu.org/chat, not an IRC client yet.
[12:11] <qwebirc1635> chatting
[12:12] <Jay2k1> i know
[12:13] <Jay2k1> there are times where we have quite a few people online who are doing this, and you can imagine how confusing it gets to have five people whose nicks start with qwebirc
[12:13] <Jay2k1> so i advise them to change their nick :)
[12:14] <qwebirc1635> thank you, I will boot mybuntu on to this system, it would also allow me to debug, test, deploy updates, etc more successfully
[13:15] <qwebirc82485> !help
[13:15] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[13:35] <joakim_> Hi all
[13:37] <joakim_> I have a problem with subtitles after upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04, I dont see the subs when there in the bottom of the screen only when they are at the top of the screen. has any one else had this problem ?
[13:40] <joakim_> I use MKV files made with handbrake so I  can turn on and of the subs. the files plays great in mplayer, but I cant get mplayer or VLC to work with mythtv and the remote works alöotbetter with the Internal player
[13:46] <joakim_> afk
[14:40] <joakim_> got it half working by disabeling the storage groups and switching to mplayer
[14:42] <joakim_> not the way Id really like to do it but for now it will have to be good enough
[14:42] <joakim_> by all


[14:27] <xixoxvi> Salut
[14:28] <xixoxvi> il y a quelqu'un ici
[17:37] <alazar> Okay
[17:37] <alazar> What is the use of this chat?
[17:40] <diogenes_Vx15> alazar, how did you find this chat?
[18:59] <jelomoon> hallo


[09:18] <gnuoy> jamespage, I've updated https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/percona-cluster/respect-the-vip/+merge/239010
[09:18] <gnuoy> and here are the neutron db migration mps:
[09:18] <gnuoy> https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/make-neutron-db-authority/+merge/239172
[09:18] <gnuoy> https://code.launchpad.net/~gnuoy/charms/trusty/neutron-api/remove-db-migrations/+merge/239171
[09:19] <jamespage> gnuoy, +1
[09:19] <jamespage> looks goot
[09:19] <gnuoy> jamespage, thanks
[09:20] <jamespage> gnuoy, so for those 2nd two, nova-cc will always handle the migration right?
[09:20] <gnuoy> jamespage, right
[09:21]  * jamespage thinks
[11:30] <ayr-ton> marcoceppi, That wordpress-mu charm does exist? http://askubuntu.com/questions/256759/deploy-multiple-wordpress-sites-with-juju
[15:28] <dpb1> If I'm on trusty, how do I launch utopic local-provider containers?  I get tools errors by default.
[15:34] <natefinch> dpb1: I'm not sure we have utopic tools deployed in streams yet.  sinzui ?
[15:36] <sinzui> what? We testing and build the ubuntu devel series from the week it was created. we even say in the announcements that we created juju for utopic, and backported to trusty and precise.
[15:40] <natefinch> sinzui: sorry, I don't always read the announcements that carefully
[16:04] <dpb1> sinzui, natefinch: an extra parameter to bootstrap perhaps?
[16:04] <dpb1> ah, maybe --series or upload-series?
[16:05] <dpb1> seems weird though
[16:05] <dpb1> let me try again to confirm
[16:06] <dpb1> interesting
[16:06] <dpb1> dpb@helo:slaves$ juju bootstrap -v
[16:06] <dpb1> uploading tools for series [precise trusty]
[16:06] <natefinch> dpb1: you can add default-series to your environments.yaml
[16:06] <sinzui> dpb1, juju does not fully support non-lts series. juju lts clients will only provide tools for lts series. non-lts clients are designed to provide tools for itself and the lts
[16:07] <dpb1> so, when bootstrapping the local env, it always uses upload tools?
[16:09] <sinzui> dpb1, juju is a punk https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1302119
[16:09] <mup> Bug #1302119: sync-tools ignores tools-metadata-url <ci> <sync-tools> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302119>
[16:11] <dpb1> interesting.
[16:12] <sinzui> dpb1, I think you can bootstrap, then run juju sync-tools which will get all the combinations for the version of the state server
[16:13] <dpb1> sinzui: doing 'juju --upload-tools --upload-series utopic,trusty,precise' worked it seems
[16:13] <sinzui> excellent
[16:13] <dpb1> sinzui: I'd still like to understand if the local provider uses upload-tools by default.  I guess I've never noticed that?
[16:18] <dpb1> sinzui: I guess it's this question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/486542/upload-all-release-versions-of-tools-with-jujus-local-lxc-provider
[16:20] <sinzui> dpb1, yep, except we changed the name of the option to --upload-series
[16:45] <mattyw> dimitern, this is how I ended up wording it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1384336
[16:45] <mup> Bug #1384336: juju resolved reports already resolved on a unit in error state if a hook is still running <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384336>
[16:45] <dimitern> mattyw, +1 sgtm
[17:36] <jcastro> evilnickveitch, thanks for that doc merge
[18:11] <natefinch> rick_h_, jcastro, anyone else.... do we have a canonical bundle that the tosca guys can try out?  The guy working on the tosca->juju translator is having trouble with bundle proof not liking anything he throws at it.
[18:11] <rick_h_> natefinch: https://jujucharms.com/bundle/elasticsearch/15/cluster/ https://jujucharms.com/bundle/mongodb/5/cluster/ are two that we know are good/on the front page
[18:12] <natefinch> rick_h_: what's with the random number in the url?
[18:13] <jcastro> hah!
[18:13] <rick_h_> revision
[18:13] <rick_h_> :)
[18:13] <natefinch> disapprove
[18:16] <rick_h_> natefinch: it's changing :)
[18:16] <natefinch> :)
[18:18] <natefinch> how the hell do I get help on a plugin subcommand?  i.e. help on juju bundle proof?  juju help bundle proof  doesn't work, juju bundle help proof  doesn't work, juju-bundle help proof  doesn't work
[18:20] <natefinch> all of them just return "usage: charm-help subcommand" and then a list of subcommands
[18:20] <natefinch> charm-help bundle  and charm-help proof also don't work
[18:21] <natefinch> jcastro: ^?
[18:22] <jcastro> no clue
[18:23] <jcastro> `juju-bundle proof .` is the only way I use it
[18:23] <jcastro> `juju-bundle proof <target>` rather
[18:23] <rick_h_> and charm prooof works
[18:23] <rick_h_> it auto detects a bundle
[18:24] <jcastro> do we use bundle for anything else?
[18:25] <rick_h_> not that I can recall
[18:25] <jcastro> seems like we could just sunset that command if we're not?
[18:25] <natefinch> heh
[18:28] <jrwren> natefinch: depends on the subcommand, but  juju charm add -h   just worked for me.
[18:29] <natefinch> yeah, I figured that out eventually.... it just is infuriating that "help" is a valid subcommand but doesn't actually do anything useful except print out the subcommands
[18:30] <natefinch> this happened the last time I tried to get help on charm-proof (which is evidently what juju-bundle is, just renamed... which means the help says "usage: charm-proof" even though I'm invoking it using "juju bundle"
[18:30] <jrwren> natefinch: juju is amazing. :)
[18:33] <natefinch> jrwren: well, to be fair, it's the plugin's fault, not juju's :)
[18:33] <natefinch> pretty sure I already filed a bug about this on charm-proof...
[18:34] <natefinch> found it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-tools/+bug/1327179
[18:34] <mup> Bug #1327179: charm help should show how to get help about a specific command <Juju Charm Tools:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327179>
[18:45] <marcoceppi> ayr-ton: no, not yet
[19:08] <bloodearnest> hazmat: heya, another small deployer MP for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~bloodearnest/juju-deployer/annotate-branches/+merge/239270
[19:08] <bloodearnest> going to start work on improving diff capabilities next
[19:53] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: setting default isntance type for AWS in ~/.juju/environments/yaml is "default-instance-type: m1.medium" - for example, right?
[19:53] <lazyPower> i'm going to plug this into teh docs as well - since it appears to be missing from the amazon provider docs.
[19:53] <marcoceppi> that's a super depriciated field that probably doesn't work anymore
[19:53] <marcoceppi> juju bootstrap --constraints is the way to set this stuff
[19:54] <lazyPower> oh! i didn't know it was depreciated. ta!
[19:54] <marcoceppi> where did you find that?
[19:54] <lazyPower> well, it was from memory
[19:54] <marcoceppi> I'm like 90% sure it's depreciated from pyjuju days
[19:55] <lazyPower> its now been depreciated from my memory
[19:55] <marcoceppi> you might want to double check
[19:55] <marcoceppi> maybe thumper knows
[19:55] <lazyPower> i'd rather tell people to use --constraints myself....
[19:55] <lazyPower> it keeps it consistent across providers
[19:55] <marcoceppi> right
[19:55] <marcoceppi> that, I believe, was the idea
[19:58] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: yeah, that combined with set-constraints seems to be what i was looking for
[19:58] <lazyPower> why bother knowing what instance types per provider.
[19:58] <lazyPower> ta, again. ya kept me from spreading FUD


 Because race always has to play a part somehow.
[07:31] <Trixar_za> It's like saying god created HIV to punish sinners and equally stupid.
[07:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:32] <charl> in switzerland: https://i.imgur.com/Z5KNKN2.jpg
[07:32] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:32] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:32] <charl> there are a lot of videos of ebola-chan on youtube as well
[07:33] <charl> 4chan is at it again
[07:33] <Trixar_za> It's still go with Ebola-tan - it's more cutesy
[07:33] <charl> kawaii !
[07:33] <Trixar_za> Yes, charl, she's very kawaii
[07:33] <charl> :D
[07:33] <Trixar_za> And funny enough, the deadly part would only make her more so in an Anime...
[07:34] <charl> there are some disturbing themes in anime in recent years but this would not be an anime i would watch
[07:37] <Trixar_za> You never know. They have virtual popstars with their own animes now
[07:37] <Trixar_za> Somebody somewhere will probably make a manga or game about it... then it's just a matter of time.
[07:37] <charl> oh the vocaloids?
[07:37] <Trixar_za> Think School days
[07:37] <Trixar_za> Yeah
[07:37] <charl> oh don't know it
[07:38] <Trixar_za> Let's just say the protagonist loses his head in that Anime
[07:38] <charl> oh my goodness an adult visual novel
[07:38] <charl> oh in madoka magica mami'
[07:38] <charl> mami's head also gets bitten off
[07:38] <charl> sorry pressed enter by mistake
[07:38] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I saw
[07:38] <charl> there are now so many jokes about it that alone became a meme
[07:39] <Trixar_za> That's when you knew it wasn't a normal magical girl anime
[07:39] <Trixar_za> Even the intro and outro songs changed after that
[07:39] <charl> well when it initially aired i never watched it because i thought "oh no that magical girl crap again"
[07:39] <charl> then later i saw/heard so much about it that i watched it in any case and i was like i can't believe i didn't watch it earlier
[07:40] <Trixar_za> Well, I liked the idea... just not the show
[07:40] <charl> i thought the third movie was crap
[07:40] <charl> the series/first two movies were interesting
[07:40] <Trixar_za> It went dark, then weird by throwing in that time travel crap and finally ended predictably
[07:41] <Trixar_za> Hell, I even predicted what the witches really were before they even got around to it
[07:41] <Trixar_za> and waiting the whole damn anime for the one girl to go fully magical was very irritating
[07:41] <charl> lol
[07:41] <Trixar_za> Needless had the same problem
[07:42] <Trixar_za> Seriously, you leave the one protagonist helpless for most of the thing and near the end he suddenly turns semi-badass with a mostly useless power.
[07:42] <charl> never seen needless
[07:42] <Trixar_za> And the thing with his sister? So saw that coming.
[07:43] <Trixar_za> I'm the kind of person that gets annoyed with predictable plotlines :P
[07:43] <charl> ah :)
[07:44] <Trixar_za> I do like it when I can't predict where it's going or if the thing that's predictable isn't so bad.
[07:50] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:51] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:51] <Squirm> hello superfly
[07:51] <Squirm> Kilos... How did you know he was here?
[07:52] <superfly> hi Squirm
[07:52] <Kilos> haha i see when the grayout goes with konversation
[07:52] <superfly> \
[07:52] <Kilos> like with xchat and hexchat
[07:52] <Squirm> ah, I guess it's the same in XChat
[07:52] <Squirm> I just don't pay attention to that :P
[07:52] <Squirm> superfly: I found a place, close to work
[07:52] <Kilos> im getting more comfortable with kde nowadays
[07:52] <Squirm> thanks for your help
[07:52] <superfly> when Quassel connects to my Quassel Core, it sets me to available.
[07:52] <superfly> Squirm: awesome, where is it?
[07:53] <Squirm> superfly: lakeside, about 4km from work
[07:53] <superfly> Where in Lakeside?
[07:53] <Squirm> umm, like 15m from the train station
[07:53] <Squirm> in a complex
[07:53] <superfly> Ah, OK
[07:54] <superfly> Do you know the street name?
[07:54] <Squirm> yeah, it's a house share, but they seem like very nice people
[07:54] <Squirm> 1sec
[07:56] <Squirm> superfly: Lincoln Road
[07:56] <superfly> Yes, I know that road
[07:57] <Squirm> although there's a complex at the end of Lincoln lane, which is 15m from the station
[07:57] <Squirm> so I'm not 100% sure
[07:57] <Squirm> but it's around there
[07:57] <Squirm> she sent me Lincoln Road, so I assume it is Lincoln Road
[07:58] <Trixar_za> Train station?
[07:58] <Squirm> Trixar_za: yes
[07:58] <Trixar_za> lol - well that just begs me to make appearances
[07:58] <Squirm> lol
[07:58] <Squirm> I checked the train map
[07:58] <Squirm> good luck :P
[07:58] <Squirm> 3/4 change overs
[07:59] <superfly> Squirm: the only problem you're going to have is that the complex is right on the train line, so you're going to have to get used to the trains
[07:59] <Squirm> superfly: she says they're quiet. But I like the sound of trains
[07:59] <superfly> hah
[07:59] <Squirm> :P
[07:59] <superfly> likely story
[07:59] <Squirm> I can't say I've lived on the line before
[07:59] <Squirm> but I like trains
[08:00]  * Squirm shrugs
[08:00] <superfly> Squirm: I take the train to work...
[08:00] <superfly> and I go past Lakeside station
[08:00] <superfly> Squirm: do you play Ingress?
[08:00] <Squirm> oh? where do you stay then?
[08:00] <Trixar_za> Where you situated?
[08:00] <superfly> Muizenberg
[08:01] <Squirm> superfly: Um... I did, but not really, because I live in a hole so there was nothing around me
[08:01] <Trixar_za> But that's on the same line dammit
[08:01] <superfly> Squirm: which faction?
[08:01] <Squirm> superfly: ah, I may be visiting the beach a few times :D
[08:01] <superfly> Squirm: hop on at Lakde=
[08:01] <Squirm> superfly: I can't remember. last played sometime mid last year
[08:01] <Squirm> superfly: that's the plan
[08:02] <superfly> Squirm: hop on at Lakeside, two stations down is Muizenberg, right on the beach
[08:02] <Squirm> I know :) I stayed at a hostel above the train station when I went to the interview
[08:02] <Trixar_za> But I assume you can go to Cape Town, maybe even Bellville and get on the right track. May be less train jumps than you think Squirm :P
[08:02] <Squirm> s/to/for
[08:03] <superfly> Trixar_za: it would probably be shorter to take a train to salt river and then transfer to the SS line there
[08:03] <superfly> (platform 2)
[08:03] <Squirm> Trixar_za: Bellville, Pinelands, then Westlake
[08:03] <Trixar_za> Ah, yeah, it goes past there anyway
[08:03] <Squirm> or Salt Rive then Lakeside*
[08:03] <Squirm> superfly: knows his trains :P
[08:03] <Squirm> http://www.metrorail.co.za/maps/CT_RailMap.pdf
[08:03] <Squirm> I use that ^^
[08:04] <Squirm> and will be using http://www.gometro.co.za/fares.php
[08:04] <superfly> Squirm: when I was studying I took the train from Paarl to Cape Town
[08:04] <superfly> Squirm: there's a GoMetro app for Android
[08:05] <Squirm> awesome
[08:06] <Squirm> installed
[08:06] <superfly> even tells you how much your ticket will cost
[08:06] <Squirm> that's what that fare website does
[08:06] <Trixar_za> Not really
[08:06] <Trixar_za> It's sometimes out by a few rands
[08:07] <Squirm> it also has the route map
[08:07] <Squirm> cool
[08:07] <Trixar_za> Last time I checked it was wrong by 50c
[08:07] <Trixar_za> (per single - and R1 for a return)
[08:08] <Trixar_za> As for the route map - I don't really understand it since the trains I've been on sometimes use more than one of the coloured routes - lol
[08:08] <Squirm> even has departure and arrival times
[08:08] <Squirm> thank you superfly
[08:09] <Squirm> Trixar_za: I doubt that
[08:09] <Trixar_za> But yeah - I noted down what superfly said - you may just see me pop up now
[08:09] <Squirm> lol
[08:09] <superfly> Squirm: give me a buzz when you get down here if you need anything
[08:09] <Squirm> that's alright
[08:09] <Squirm> superfly: I will do
[08:09] <Squirm> superfly: you can teach me to surf... seeing as you live in Muizenberg
[08:10] <superfly> Squirm: I don't touch that water, it's too cold for me
[08:10] <superfly> I only swim in bath water
[08:10] <Squirm> :D
[08:10] <Squirm> I MAY, do the Robben Island swim in 2016
[08:10] <Squirm> if I'm around
[08:11] <superfly> Squirm: there's a really cool market on a Friday night in Muizenberg, right next to False Bay station, called the Blue Bird Garage
[08:11] <Squirm> I was there a month ago
[08:11] <Squirm> some of the food I ate was fantastic
[08:12] <superfly> and the Earth Fair Food Market in Tokai on a Saturday
[08:12] <Kilos> eish Squirm  you cant go in that water without a full wetsuit
[08:13] <superfly> and Readers Warehouse next to the Earth Fair Food Market
[08:13] <Squirm> Kilos: of course... the swim though, you can't
[08:13] <Kilos> eish its freezing man youll die
[08:13] <Squirm> superfly: what's that?
[08:13] <Squirm> Kilos: it's only about 14deg ;)
[08:13] <Kilos> only
[08:14] <superfly> Squirm: which? the Earth Fair Food Market?
[08:14] <Squirm> yes
[08:14] <Squirm> and Readers Warehouse
[08:14] <Squirm> superfly: I'm writing this all down ^^
[08:14] <superfly> kinda the same as the Blue Bird Garage, but just food, and it's all organic and fair trade
[08:14] <Squirm> I need some inexpensive activities to partake in ^^
[08:14] <Squirm> ok
[08:14] <Squirm> sounds good
[08:14] <superfly> Readers Warehouse is a book store, good prices
[08:15] <Trixar_za> Now just to find a cheap drinking place with a nice selection of beers
[08:15] <Squirm> Trixar_za: the Blue Bird Garage had reasonably priced Craft Beer
[08:15] <superfly> Squirm: there's the Toad in the Road pub too, I've heard their meals are prety decent
[08:15] <superfly> that's in Lakeside
[08:15] <Trixar_za> ... Why aren't I there like now?
[08:16] <Squirm> superfly: sounds good
[08:16] <Trixar_za> Squirm, looks like you're sorted for a while
[08:17] <superfly> and just up the road from the station is The Old Bakery, which has a few shops in it, including The Little Fisherman, which is also supposed to be good - I don't do seafood, so I don't know
[08:17] <superfly> and then there's Ocean Basket and Col' Cacchio in Weslake
[08:17] <superfly> *Westlake
[08:18] <Squirm> I went to a restaurant after my Interview
[08:18] <superfly> Col'Cacchio is fairly expensice, but SOOO good
[08:18] <Squirm> in Westlake, right outside the business park
[08:18] <Squirm> had a tasty pizza
[08:18] <superfly> That's Col'Cacchio
[08:19] <Squirm> oh
[08:19] <Squirm> yes
[08:19] <Squirm> that was good
[08:19] <Squirm> and a few metres from my office :/
[08:19] <Squirm> it's a bad idea
[08:19] <superfly> We have the original Col'Cacchio in our office building... I walk past it to get to work every day, and we are right above it
[08:20] <superfly> oh, the torture!
[08:20] <Squirm> haha
[08:21] <Kilos> eina
[08:21] <Squirm> superfly: I think I'm going to be using these trains a lot
[08:21] <Squirm> superfly: when would the last train leave?
[08:22] <Squirm> and is it safe that time of night...
[08:22] <superfly> no
[08:24] <superfly> Squirm: how did you get from Muizenberg to Westlake for your interview?
[08:25] <Squirm> I flew to CPT, rented a car for the night and drove. Drove to my interview and found a Hostel on HostelWorld, in Muizenberg
[08:38] <Kilos> hehe Squirm  with all those food places so close by you can put on fat like a walrus then the swim wont be so bad
[08:38] <Squirm> Kilos: just found out now that there's a squash league in Fish Hoek ^^
[08:39] <Kilos> cool
[08:39] <Kilos> you gonna be happy there seems like
[08:39] <Kilos> big change fro treveton
[08:40] <Squirm> yeah
[08:46] <Squirm> but it's things like superfly mentioned that I need to know
[08:46] <Squirm> sort of, cheap food, cheap night out, local places
[08:48] <Kilos> thats an advantage of having friends there hey
[08:48] <Squirm> I didn't know superfly was so close :P
[08:48] <Squirm> I know where nuvolari is
[08:48] <Squirm> and I know where superfly is
[08:49] <Kilos> good
[08:49] <Squirm> I have an idea where henkj is
[08:49] <Squirm> (he's in here sometimes)
[08:49] <Kilos> ya
[08:49] <Kilos> the is also all the ctlug okes
[08:49] <Squirm> yeah, I'll join that
[08:49] <Kilos> you should be ok
[08:50] <superfly> I'm not entirely sure where henkj stays, but I know him... bump into him often enough
[08:51] <Squirm> superfly: he's also in the Souther Suburbs
[08:51] <Squirm> somewhere
[08:51] <Squirm> superfly: do you visit any lug events? does anything happen down there?
[08:51] <superfly> Squirm: unfortunately down this end of the world you pretty much need a car to get around, unless you're willing to try the taxis or walk fair distances from train stations
[08:52] <Squirm> superfly: and for that, I have a car
[08:52]  * superfly needs to go... a little girl needs a nappy change, and the boys need some control
[08:52] <Squirm> superfly: help is MUCH appreciated
[08:52] <Squirm> thanks
[08:52] <superfly> you're welcome. any time
[08:53] <Kilos> hehe
[08:53] <Squirm> especially because you're local
[08:53]  * Squirm eyes Trixar_za
[08:53] <Squirm> no stalking me now
[08:53] <Squirm> he's gone
[09:03] <Kilos> haha afk
[09:08] <Spekko> more Kilos and everyone else
[09:08] <Spekko> *morning
[09:09] <Squirm> hello
[09:09] <Squirm> I'm getting hungry
[09:09] <Squirm> skipped breakfast
[09:09] <Squirm> so
[09:10] <Squirm> coffee time!
[09:10] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[09:10]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:10] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[09:10] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[09:10] <Squirm> bbiab
[09:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm!
[10:04] <Squirm> anyone know of anything like a House4Hack in the Cape?
[10:18] <Kilos> hi sakbush
[10:18] <Kilos> ai!
[10:18] <Kilos> bushtech  only
[10:18]  * Kilos needs more glasses
[12:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:16] <Squirm> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> I see you found somewhere to stay :)
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> stress levels gone down a bit now
[12:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> when are you coming down?
[12:27] <charl> good afternoon Kilos, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi charl
[12:28] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: yeah... though I knew stuff would crop up this month. I'll probably arrive Saturday the 1st. maybe Friday.
[12:28] <Squirm> one hell of a drive
[12:28] <Squirm> all 16 hours of it :/
[12:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> some time off between jobs or is it going to be a bit hectic?
[12:30] <Squirm> umm
[12:30] <Squirm> the Wednesday will be my last day(boss has given me a few days off), then I'll start on the Monday
[12:31] <Squirm> so.. few days
[12:37] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:39] <Squirm> Westlake Golf Club
[12:40] <Squirm> visitors pay R320 for 9 holes :D
[12:40] <Squirm> it's like... R80 at our local course here
[12:40] <Squirm> but it's not a very nic course :P
[14:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:53] <Kilos> hi gremble
[14:53] <gremble> hey Kilos
[15:00] <Squirm> hi
[15:03] <gremble> hey Squirm
[16:19]  * Squirm looks around
[16:19]  * Squirm sips wine
[16:29]  * Joe_knock observes
[16:51] <charl> http://projectmaxs.org/homepage/
[16:51] <charl> MAXS (Modular Android XMPP Suite), a set of open-source GPLv3 licensed Android applications, allows you to control your Android device and receive notifications over XMPP.
[16:51] <charl> very interesting
[17:18] <Kilos> hi Joe_knock  evening charl
[17:19] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro  groei jou pampoene al?
[17:21] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:35] <Joe_knock> oom Kilos Hi
[17:36] <Trixar_za> They just wanted to use the acronym
[18:04] <superfly> Squirm: oh, and there's Lakeside center which is no more than 10 minutes walk from Lincoln road.   Kilos :/
[18:49] <Kilos> my ex
[18:49] <Joe_knock> oh :/ dit was jou seun se PC se naam.
[18:49] <Kilos> ian se ma, hy was op haar pc want syne het gedooi
[18:49] <Joe_knock> bushtech: http://www.house4hack.co.za
[18:51] <bushtech> Joe_knock: Thanks
[18:51] <Joe_knock> I thought you were 1 of the hardware hackers from there bushtech
[18:52] <bushtech> huh uh. you cant teach people if you're still learning
[19:16] <inetpro> uh!
[19:16] <inetpro> why so quiet here now?
[19:17] <bushtech> something I said?
[19:18] <inetpro> haha
[19:19] <inetpro> bushtech: seems you have a stable connection today, what happened?
[19:19] <bushtech> wish I knew
[19:19] <Joe_knock> inetpro: IRC is async. bushtech will get replies tomorrow :P
[19:20] <bushtech> seems totally unpredictable
[19:23] <bushtech> wonder what happened to Kilos?
[19:24] <bushtech> probably designing websites:)
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:27] <inetpro> haha... Germany plans to make sending colleagues work emails after 6pm illegal
[19:32] <bushtech> ah, he's back
[19:33] <bushtech> Kilos: what happened? trip over power cable?
[19:33] <Kilos> nope i dunno why it does this
[19:34] <Kilos> nm shows online but connection disappears
[19:34] <bushtech> ah, I thought only I did that
[19:34] <inetpro> wind?
[19:34] <Kilos> some days bad and other times it goes a week or more without doing it
[19:34] <bushtech> show hsdpa connection and I disconnect
[19:34] <Kilos> i dunno inetpro
[19:35] <bushtech> somebodies lying
[19:35] <Kilos> and i have to unplug the modem and put it back in again
[19:35] <Kilos> grrr
[19:36] <bushtech> I'm scared I'm going to wear out the powerplug on back of my router
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <Kilos> i have many usb sockets so np
[19:37] <inetpro> ai!
[19:37] <inetpro> bushtech: Just flick the switch on the plug
[19:37] <Kilos> you can restart it from browser too cant you
[19:38] <bushtech> couple computers on that plug
[19:38] <bushtech> yep I do that too
[19:38] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:38] <bushtech> finely honed procedure
[19:39] <Joe_knock> why do you unplug the the modem from the power source/
[19:39] <Joe_knock> ?
[19:40] <bushtech> In my case I unplug router, count to ten , plug back in lol
[19:40] <Kilos> we are ballies Joe_knock  so look for the easiest way
[19:40] <Kilos> routers dont accept sudo reboot
[19:40] <Joe_knock> n boer maak n plan, maar n ou boer? :P
[19:40] <Kilos> haha
[19:41] <Joe_knock> You could router.net <click> restart it.
[19:41] <bushtech> no, rebooting the router does not always make it relook for towers
[19:41] <gremble> Hardreset helps routers more often than not
[19:42] <Kilos> bushtech  try that
[19:42] <gremble> Unfortunately
[19:43] <bushtech> gremble: thats why I pull the plug
[19:43] <gremble> Yup
[19:47] <Kilos> ok guys, bed time for me, ty for the help gremble  and Joe_knock  ian seems to be progressing on the site. he sat up all night last night
[19:47] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <Kilos> night ll, sleep tight
[19:47] <charl> night Kilos
[19:47] <bushtech> night Kilos
[19:48] <Kilos> night bushtech  charl inetpro  as well also too and the fly and family
[19:50] <Joe_knock> night
[22:06] <Joe_knock> wb gremble
[22:06] <gremble> Thanks Joe_knock
[22:07] <Joe_knock> gremble: you're the math guy?
[22:07] <gremble> I am a math guy, why?
[22:08] <Joe_knock> aah okay. I was just thinking about what you said last night.
[22:08] <gremble> Did I say something profound and significant?
[22:08] <gremble> I cannot remember
[22:10] <Joe_knock> you said you wouldnt bother with programming for the sake of programming. It made me think how many people few math in the same way.
[22:12] <gremble> Pretty sure a lot of people feel about math the same way, but it is because when people think about math, they think about doing calculations
[22:12] <gremble> Algebra to find x or trigonometry to find theta
[22:12] <gremble> Not as trancendental structures of thought
[22:12] <Joe_knock> abstract mathematics/
[22:12] <Joe_knock> *?
[22:13] <gremble> Not even abstract.  I think that's what it's called.
[22:21] <gremble> number theory is a field in mathematics, yes. I try to not look too much at number theory
[22:22] <gremble> Because I would get an unhealthy obsession over primes and the Rienmann Zeta function
[22:24] <Joe_knock> What is your other major?
[22:24] <gremble> At the moment it is applied mathematics and pure mathematics
[22:25] <gremble> but I have 4 semesters of philosophy under the belt as well
[22:25] <gremble> I would like to finish that up as well
[22:38] <Joe_knock> Philosophy at tukkies? That department is tiny to say the least.
[22:38] <gremble> It is smaller than tiny :P
[22:38] <gremble> But it is what I have
[22:39] <Joe_knock> philosophy is a lost science, but powerful too
[22:39] <gremble> I am quite fond of it
[22:40] <gremble> It was my most challanging subject
[22:41] <Joe_knock> do you know henry thackery?
[22:42] <gremble> The name does not ring a bell
[22:42] <Joe_knock> I'm sure he must be a grad student there by now. Probably doing masters. The man who got 95+ for everything
[22:43] <gremble> That is quite impressive
[22:44] <gremble> I am very enthusiastic, but I don't score that well
[22:44] <gremble> haha
[22:44] <Joe_knock> I remember having a similar discussion with you previously.
[22:45] <Joe_knock> Are you guys writing semester tests now?
[22:45] <gremble> You do?
[22:45] <gremble> No, September break just started today
[22:47] <Joe_knock> Aah that is why you're on IRC. Much better to be at square on Friday night having beers :P
[22:48] <gremble> No thank you. I see those fools enough on campus :P Don't need them in my free time as well
[22:48] <gremble> I was supposed to go on a date tonight, but she bailed on me at the last moment
[22:50] <Joe_knock> lol. So you're not part of the drinkers club on campus :P
[22:51] <Joe_knock> was she blonde? :'D
[22:51] <gremble> No and no. Brunette
[22:51] <gremble> I used to be into that, back when I was young
[22:51] <gremble> haha
[22:52] <gremble> Studying Entertainment Technology at TUT
[22:52] <gremble> But I've outgrown those bad habits
[22:52] <Joe_knock> TUT? Your second degree now?
[22:53] <gremble> TUT gave me a diploma
[22:53] <gremble> But yes
[22:53] <gremble> this is my second one
[22:53] <Joe_knock> yikes, hopefully the parents are covering the fees. Otherwise you'd be knee-deep
[22:53] <gremble> I am knee-deep
[22:53] <gremble> :P
[22:54] <gremble> The state was nice enough to cover about R32 000 of my first diploma
[22:54] <gremble> that is more than half of my TUT diploma
[22:54] <gremble> For this I am trying to get bursaries
[22:55] <Joe_knock> I managed to pay 50% of mine in 3rd year on my own. although technically it was 4th year.
[22:55] <gremble> Nice. What did you do>
[22:56] <Joe_knock> BCom.  I heard stories too. there was a pornstar a few years ago :/
[23:03] <gremble> Oh, not bad
[23:03] <gremble> Haha
[23:04] <Joe_knock> I wonder what the "normal" SA IRC rooms must be like. I am sitting in all the dev channels right now.
[23:08] <gremble> Isn't this a "normal" irc room?
[23:10] <Joe_knock> it's ubuntu. Have you ever went to #ubuntu ?
[23:10] <gremble> I was there once
[23:10] <gremble> I left pretty quickly
[23:10] <superfly> #ubuntu is where souls go to die
[23:10] <Joe_knock> haha, too much tech issues/
[23:10] <Joe_knock> *?
[23:11] <gremble> The people there
[23:11] <gremble> they make me cringe
[23:12] <gremble> If you want to have fun, go to #debian and tell them that you are having trouble with crunchbang
[23:13] <Joe_knock> lol hahaha
[23:14] <Joe_knock> I can't get hell-banned. my id is unaffiliated now :'D
[23:15] <gremble> Im so sleepy
[23:15] <gremble> But I am actually having fun developing this website
[23:20] <Joe_knock> Are you building ooms site?
[23:20] <gremble> No, I am building a personal encyclopedia
[23:21] <Joe_knock> a wiki page?
[23:22] <Joe_knock> I re-built this today: http://git-matched.herokuapp.com/ I was trying to put d3.js into it.
[23:23] <gremble> I made this today, but it was just a little project to find out how to work with CSS
[23:23] <gremble> gremble09.github.io
[23:23] <gremble> :P
[23:23] <Joe_knock> Aah so you're just tinkering with raw HTML/CSS lol
[23:24] <gremble> No, right now I am using Django
[23:24] <gremble> I have no way to host it though
[23:24] <gremble> :P
[23:25] <gremble> Java, Ruby, Java, Ruby
[23:25] <gremble> Everyone codes in Java or Ruby on that matcher
[23:25] <gremble> :P
[23:25] <gremble> Where are all the bearded C/C++ guys?
[23:25] <gremble> or firls
[23:25] <gremble> girls*
[23:27] <Joe_knock> lol. What did you search for? Pretoria also? hahaha
[23:29] <gremble> Yup
[23:29] <gremble> I want love man
[23:31] <Joe_knock> lol i'm sure there's girl coders on campus. But why aren't you asking for girl gamers rather :D
[23:33] <gremble> Because I am not a gamer :P
[23:33] <Joe_knock> no way :O
[23:34] <Joe_knock> You dont even play CS on campus lan??
[23:34] <gremble> Nope
[23:35] <gremble> I think the last game I bought was Diablo II
[23:35] <Joe_knock> I'll try packaging an old game I had that was fun to play on LAN. A shooting game.
[23:37] <gremble> Lol
[23:41] <Joe_knock> I best be off now. Time to catch up on some series.
[23:41] <Joe_knock> Take care mate. Maybe one day we shall meet :P
[23:42] <gremble> Cheers Joe_knock
[23:59] <WOLFEYES> evening all.


[18:28] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:31] <ajmitch> morning
[18:39] <snail> mōrena
[18:59] <hads> morning
[19:19] <chilts> morning
[19:21] <ojwb> morning
[19:38] <mwhudson> morning
[21:22] <ojwb> interestingly i just found an embedded streetview on a realestate site which works without flash, but on google maps it tells me I need to download a plugin from adobe
[22:38] <chilts> yeah, that's been around for a while ... you can embed a non-flash Streetview, but you can't get at it from Google Maps itself
[22:38] <chilts> which sucks
[22:40] <ojwb> hmm
[22:40] <ojwb> so you have to actually "drive" to where you want to look at
[23:34] <G> ojwb: there is a MapsGL/WebGL streetview
[23:35] <G> ojwb: http://support.google.com/maps/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1630790
[23:35] <ojwb> G: it seems not to be that though, as I can't access the webgl thing (it says I don't have the required stuff)
[23:35] <G> ojwb: is it just static-ishly embedded via Javascript?
[23:36] <ojwb> i didn't look at how it worked
[23:36] <ojwb> but it was interactive
[23:36] <ojwb> drag, click, etc worked
[23:36] <ojwb> i guessed it was HTML5 stuff
[23:36] <ojwb> canvas maybe
[23:36] <G> yeah, HTML5+Javascript
[23:37] <ojwb> i guess I don't have accelerated 3d currently
[23:37] <ojwb> all the other reqs look satisfied
[23:38] <ojwb> probably need the non-free firmware for the card
[23:38] <G> I stopped using MapsGL, because when I tried to look at a GPS coordinate for down the road, it mapped it to (somehow) north of the north pole


[11:30] <twojukeboksi> y0 and BIG thanks for the awesome studio OS. I've installed it for a couple of friends and my own dedicated machine, but my main machine is in need of some OS that will actually sleep (US does this well, KDE neon not at all). Do I have a correct recollection that US can be used for everyday laptop, so that one must just remember to shut down JACK to put machine to sleep and restart it after wakeup if one wants to do studio-y things?
[11:31] <twojukeboksi> 'scuse my dyslexia
[11:33] <twojukeboksi> I'm thinking I want to be able to dual boot (got 150GB set aside for /-partitions). The users of different OS accoding to my understanding need to have different home-dirs or the confs will get messed up, can I just symlink all the directories in the home-dir to the different user, or does that cause complications too?
[11:50] <jojo[m]> I finally should get around and update my 18.04 studio to 20.10.......only thing is I have a very old machine (not sure about the processor) and only 2GB of ram......is it a very bad idea to update to kde plasma based studio? i read that it shouldn't bother with gaining a lot more resources than xfce based did.
[11:52] <jojo[m]> <twojukeboksi "I'm thinking I want to be able t"> generally it sounds like an adventurous, if not to say "bad" idea but let me think about it more closely. which different OS's are you talking about?.
[12:04] <twojukeboksi> jojo[m]: In my opinion the 20.10 is very frugal regarding RAM. Firefox, Ardour6 and Carla up it is using only under 2GB of RAM, but then again Linuxen seem to grind down when they hit 75% of RAM occupied.
[12:06] <twojukeboksi> jojo[m]: I'm thinking I remove all the non-dotdirectories from the /home/ubuntustudiousername and symlink them from the old home-dir. I've never tried symlinking like this, but I'm inclined to think that the dual-boot will be just fine with the symlinks. Not sure though
[12:07] <twojukeboksi> then again this KDE neon seems like an human testing farm. In #kde-neon-users one rarely gets help and in #kde-neon they tell users to bugger off
[12:53] <jojo[m]> <twojukeboksi "jojo: I'm thinking I remove all "> still it feels like an adventourus idea if you know what you are doing and how to fix it if it doesn't work (back up before! snapshot), work away 🙂 again: which operating systems are you talking about? two exact same versions of ubuntu studio?
[12:53] <jojo[m]> > <@freenode_twojukeboksi:matrix.org> jojo: I'm thinking I remove all the non-dotdirectories from the /home/ubuntustudiousername and symlink them from the old home-dir. I've never tried symlinking like this, but I'm inclined to think that the dual-boot will be just fine with the symlinks. Not sure though
[12:53] <jojo[m]>  * still it feels like an adventourus idea but if you know what you are doing and how to fix it if it doesn't work (back up before! snapshot), work away 🙂 again: which operating systems are you talking about? two exact same versions of ubuntu studio?
[12:53] <jojo[m]>  * still it feels like an adventourus idea but if you know what you are doing and know how to fix it if it doesn't work (back up before! snapshot), work away 🙂 again: which operating systems are you talking about? two exact same versions of ubuntu studio?
[12:55] <jojo[m]> <twojukeboksi "jojo: In my opinion the 20.10 is"> i think I'll give it a try :-)
[12:57] <twojukeboksi> Yes, I am using Timeshift to make backups of the /-partition always before I do anything that could put the system in an unreliable state. I guess I need to backup the .dotdirectories by hand too, before I try the symlinking. There are programs that keep locks on open files e.g. LibreOffice, which could cause problems if I _really_ start to dualboot. Probably just migrate all my stuff to the US and never boot the KDE neon again
[12:59] <twojukeboksi> jojo[m]: yeah, this is the most frugal US I've ever seen. But it would seem the KDE neon is frugal also when it comes to RAM, so this leads me to think that they've optimized the DE a lot
[13:00] <twojukeboksi> If the deactivate-JACK, put to sleep, wake-up from sleep and reactivate JACK in case I need to do audio stuff.
[13:03] <twojukeboksi> .. so if that works without problems, then I think I'll start using US as my main OS
[13:49] <jojo[m]> <twojukeboksi "Yes, I am using Timeshift to mak"> migrating and leaving it behind sounds good! rsync might help with that! to test stuff user the -n (dry-run) option
[16:07] <OvenWerks> twojukeboksi: In my case I leave the .dir alone and symlink everything else
[16:08] <OvenWerks> So each partition with it's own distro has a home directory with it's .dirs and sysmlinks to the directories I keep stuff in.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> not the .dirs are that much of a problem. In general each DE uses it's own set of files in .config, etc. anyway. I mainly do this because often each partition has a different version of the same DE where there may be slight differences in the config files that may go forward ok but not backwards
[16:13] <OvenWerks> jojo[m]: you need to be aware if your very old machine is 32bit cpu, 20.02 may not work for you. put the iso on a usb stick and make sure you can boot.
[16:16] <jojo[m]> <OvenWerks "jojo: you need to be aware if yo"> ahh crap i didnt think of cpu, yes it is 32bit definitely. that not supported anymore? at least for upgrading? i wont fresh install
[16:17] <OvenWerks> I think 20.04 is 64bit only. Maybe look at the ubuntu info, Studio will be the same
[16:17] <OvenWerks> (same repos after all)
[16:24] <OvenWerks> jojo[m]: I have an older laptop that has only 2gram and 32 bit cpu. I find it works just fine for recording with Ardour
[16:26] <OvenWerks> I don't do mixdown with it, so I don't know how well that works but recording up to at least 12 or so tracks works fine (I have heard 24 or 32 tracks is fine as well)
[16:27] <OvenWerks> I just added a larger drive to it so I can have two partitions, one with the old Studio 18.04 and another will be debian going forward
[16:29] <OvenWerks> interestingly, armhf (also 32 bit) is supported.


[07:04] <bazhang> got him in PM, no response yet
[07:23] <bazhang> purvesh is qwert/hsr/iop etc?
[07:25] <Madpilot> who is what?
[07:26] <elky> bazhang, hasn't appeared in -women yet as sresu so maybe not.
[07:26] <elky> er, as sresu does*
[07:26] <bazhang> elky, okay thanks
[07:26] <elky> sresu is apparently another alias
[07:26] <bazhang> yep
[07:40] <Madpilot> kickbanned
[07:40] <Madpilot> more than enough rope
[07:40] <elky> If that was the edge, he took a running leap.
[07:44] <Madpilot> first time I've kb'd since the ubottu "tell me about this ban" msg came in. Cool.
[07:46] <elky> Until you have to play whackamole, yeah.
[12:03] <jpds> Oh, RaLdEx- has a cool real name.
[12:03] <knome> owowmy eyes
[13:11] <Pici> I like how even though !hi is gone, people continue to try to use it.
[13:12] <persia> Takes a while for folks to notice things.
[13:12] <bazhang> * [ass_block] (~Quantum_I@pool-71-184-191-187.bstnma.east.verizon.net): Quantum_Ion
[14:08] <gnomefreak> !hi
[14:08] <gnomefreak> sorry had to :)
[14:23] <topyli> hi gnomefreak, welcome to #ubuntu-ops! since you abused an obsolete factoid, you are now tasked with all operator duties for today, single-handedly. please be helpful, and have fun! :)
[14:24] <jussi> hehe
[14:25] <bazhang> anyone see amal029's comment in #ubuntu ? missed it at the time
[14:25] <jpds> topyli: That's quite a delay.
[14:26] <topyli> jpds: it takes time to fetch factoid from the archives
[14:26] <topyli> it's the bureaucracy
[14:59] <elky> $deity robinetd is obnoxious
[15:03] <jpds> elky: robinetd is a $deity?
[15:07] <Pici> hm...
[15:07] <Pici> Thats annoying.
[16:27] <Pici> ugh
[16:28] <Pici> Is my trollometer off?
[16:29] <IdleOne> no it isn't
[16:29] <IdleOne> but st__ needs to go
[16:29] <ikonia> he's had previous warnings
[16:29] <IdleOne> more then a dozen
[16:30] <ikonia> just read the scroll back, enough
[16:31] <jussi> hrm, nlawson in -community-team now
[16:31] <Pici> jussi: Thats because I told him to go there.
[16:31] <jussi> oh, ok
[16:31] <IdleOne> I don't think he was trolling at all
[16:31] <Pici> There was no indication that he was trolling in #u.
[16:31] <IdleOne> I think he was excited and offtopic but not trolling
[16:33] <Pici> mnepton sounds like something from quantum physics.
[16:53] <ikonia> what is #ubuntu-community-team ?
[16:55] <jpds> ikonia: The Four Amigos.
[17:00] <jussi> ikonia: jonos private chat channel :P
[17:01] <jussi> nah, really its a place where you can interact with Jono's team, plan stuff etc
[17:04] <ikonia> how many channels does this name space need ???
[17:09] <ts2> take the number of channels on freenode and devide by 2
[17:09] <ts2> not counting loco channels
[17:12] <jussi> ikonia: I have no problems with extra channels as long as they have a proper purpose. this channel is actually pretty busy and somewhat important...
[17:13] <jussi> we are here to keep the channels that do exist safe and helpful for everyone. if theres a need for a new channel, no probs.
[17:30] <Pici> I'm in 60 channels right now and 50 of them are probably Ubuntu related.
[17:32] <jussi> IM in over 100 and about 90% of them ubuntu related
[17:36] <ikonia> related and needed are two different things
[17:38] <jussi> !wait
[17:38] <jussi> argh, what was the factoid which that originally was?
[17:38] <IdleOne> patience
[17:38] <ikonia> !patience
[17:38] <ikonia> !repeat
[17:38] <jussi> that one :D
[17:38] <jussi> !-patience
[17:39] <jussi> !-repeat
[17:39] <jussi> !wait is <alias>repeat
[17:39] <jussi> !wait -> andrewmc
[17:39] <jussi> !wait > andrewmc
[18:41] <Pici> bleh
[21:14] <killerloop> hi
[21:15] <Pici> killerloop: I need to step away, but someone else should be with you shortly.
[21:15] <Pici> Sorry.
[21:15] <killerloop> Pici   I was banned in #kubuntu channel  again!
[21:15] <killerloop> without reason
[21:16] <killerloop> Pici  man, where are you?   do you go in the bat in 0:16 ?
[21:27] <killerloop> Pici buy
[22:34] <tomaw> who admins the floodbots?
[22:35] <tomaw> the host FloodBotK1 and FloodBot1 are from is going very soon
[22:38] <IdleOne> tomaw: speak to ljl
[22:43] <elky> tomaw, is floodbotk1 the one running from the same host as me? You as staff can check that.
[22:43] <elky> (probably not if floodbot1 is from the same)
[23:00] <ikonia> tomaw: what's up with the hosts ? up/down ?


[01:52] <arraybolt3> In the Xubuntu Kinetic Downloads, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/433/builds/247876/downloads, there's a spurious second entry for SHA256SUMS.gpg (the one that has kinetic/daily-live in it). It gives me a 404 Not Found error. The other GPG key exists and successfully verifies the SHA256SUMS file.
[01:54] <sarnold> arraybolt3: probably the best way to keep that from being lost is to hit the 'report a problem on this website' link at the bottom
[01:54] <sarnold> arraybolt3: most ubuntu and canonical webpages have one of those links, and they're usually hooked up
[02:16] <arraybolt3> sarnold: OK, good to know! Thank you!
[02:17] <sarnold> \o/ :D
[03:10] <mwhudson> sergiodj: did you see there was a go point release (with a pretty boring looking security fix), do you think we should bring that in too?
[11:53] <GunnarHj> ogayot: Pls note that you need to verify the SRU at bug #1969817.
[12:02] <ogayot> GunnarHj: yes, thanks for the heads up! I'm on +1 rotation this week but will do the verification early next week
[12:03] <GunnarHj> ogayot: Ok, good.
[13:52] <sergiodj> mwhudson: hey.  yeah, I noticed the new point release.  I can work on bringing it to Debian first and then backporting to Ubuntu, but I'd prefer to get this ppc64el bug out of the first if that's alright with you.  since you've approved the MP, I'll go ahead and start the 2-stage upload dance
[13:59] <rbasak> Ah I'm going to need a proper transition tracker for octave :-/
[14:34] <jawn-smith> sergiodj: thanks for doing the upload
[14:34] <sergiodj> jawn-smith: my pleasure :)
[15:02] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry this autopkgtest for me? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=kinetic&arch=amd64&package=gnudatalanguage&trigger=readline%2F8.1.2-1.2
[15:03] <kanashiro> enr0n, done
[15:04] <enr0n> kanashiro: thanks!
[18:19] <sergiodj> jawn-smith: mwhudson: 1.18.2 upload to debian.  I'll keep an eye and will bring it to ubuntu next week, likely
[18:19] <sergiodj> I also backported the ppc64el patch to Debian so that we can get rid of it in Ubuntu
[19:39] <jawn-smith> sergiodj: awesome, thanks!
[20:00] <sergiodj> jawn-smith: yw :)