[00:14] <genii> Hm
[00:14] <valorie> yeah
[00:15] <valorie> would rather see those green
[08:04] <soee_> yofel: from G+ "The update will remove fcitx-frontend-qt5 and kill all fcitx input on qt5 based applications."
[08:46] <totof-at-work> hi all
[08:46] <totof-at-work> I've posted a problem on ubuntu forum and I need help for tracking my issue with plasma 5.5.3 on Wily
[08:47] <totof-at-work> my issue is : high CPU consumption whe executing "apt update" in a Konsole on KDE
[08:47] <totof-at-work> when not logged in KDE and executing apt update in a tty1 for example ... no problem
[08:47] <yofel> soee: probably the same qtbase-abi issue as other things
[08:48] <totof-at-work> no high CPU consumption no memory consumtion and no apt-check processes forked
[08:49] <yofel> what exactly uses the CPU time when that happens?
[08:49] <soee> totof-at-work: did you checked what process ses this CPU power ?
[08:49] <totof-at-work> apt-check processes ar forked I've about maybe 30 or 50 processes and all are using memory and CPU so my eight cores are at 100% and 8G are consumed
[08:50] <totof-at-work> no more response from my computer need to reboot
[08:50] <yofel> oh wow, someone other than me is actually affected by that
[08:50] <totof-at-work> and the worst is : more I execute the apt update command more the consumption is and more apt-check porcesses I have :(
[08:51] <totof-at-work> I tested this issue "successfully" on wily and xenial
[08:51] <totof-at-work> but xenial is on a vbox machine so less problematic :)
[08:51] <yofel> yeah, I know what you mean. Let me think if there's an actual solution for this other than the hack I'm using
[08:51] <totof-at-work> I think the bug occurs since plamsa 5.5.3 and framework 5.18
[08:52] <yofel> it shouldn't... but I wonder if it got worse...
[08:52] <totof-at-work> in plamsa 5.4.3 packages and 5.15 framework no problem
[08:52] <totof-at-work> test it successfully also with netrunner 17
[08:53] <totof-at-work> directly after the install : (plasma 5.4.3) no problem ... but after the upgrade to 5.5.3 .. bingo my vm as the issue
[08:54] <totof-at-work> any help for tracking the issue will be appreciated .. and also a workaround :)
[08:55] <yofel> totof-at-work: could you check if uninstalling plasma-discover-updater helps?
[08:55] <totof-at-work> yes ... checking enaged :D
[08:55] <yofel> the notifier has at least one code point where it spawn apt-check
[08:55] <yofel> (that apt-check can run an infinite amount of processes in parallel is another bug though)
[08:56] <yofel> *spawns
[08:56] <totof-at-work> need to deinstall muon
[08:56] <totof-at-work> heu ..muon-updater and muon-notifier :)
[08:56] <yofel> muon-* are empty packages now
[08:56] <totof-at-work> ok it is removed
[08:57] <totof-at-work> trying to apt update ... if I cut the connection ... that's the issue again :D
[08:57] <yofel> you might have to restart plasma
[08:57] <yofel> in case the notifier is still loaded
[08:58] <totof-at-work> no notifier process except akonadinewmail notifier and cups notifier :)
[08:58] <yofel> it's a plasma plugin, no seperate process
[08:58] <totof-at-work> problem occurs again
[08:59] <yofel> kill plasmashell, start a new one and then try again
[09:01] <totof-at-work> come back again .. after a reboot
[09:01] <totof-at-work> 8G consumes in about 15 secs
[09:03] <totof-at-work> ok I confirm ... plasma-discover-updater has the issue
[09:04] <totof-at-work> without this package no more apt-check process
[09:04] <blaze> I've packaged kdevplatform beta, that was exausting :)
[09:05] <blaze> now it's time for kdevelop, this should be easier
[09:05] <yofel> totof-at-work: "good", can you please file the discover bug?
[09:05] <totof-at-work> you mean fill ?
[09:05] <yofel> create one, yes
[09:05] <totof-at-work> ok ... what is the url for filling a bug
[09:06] <totof-at-work> I'm not a noob on KDE and Kubuntu but no need for that till now :)
[09:07] <yofel> totof-at-work: https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=muon&format=guided
[09:07] <yofel> thanks for the debugging help :)
[09:07] <yofel> on that page, select 'notifier' as component
[09:07] <totof-at-work> no problem ... loving KDE is long way to perfection .. and help is always on my mind :)
[09:10] <totof-at-work> ok now I've my new account :)
[09:10] <yofel> once you're done please give me the link to the bug so I can confirm it. As I saw that too a while ago
[09:15] <totof-at-work> bug 358359
[09:16] <yofel> kde 358359
[09:16] <yofel> totof-at-work: thanks
[09:17] <totof-at-work> you're welcome .... your work is great and if I can help ...
[09:19] <totof-at-work> and of course all KDE community is great ...
[09:19] <totof-at-work> thanks for help :)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:29] <claydoh> are we ready to announce plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-backports, or is it not quite ready?
[15:30] <claydoh> or did we miss making one?
[15:34] <marco-parillo> I believe the password to the Kubuntu.org site is tightly controlled.
[15:34] <marco-parillo> claydoh: Are you still running 15.10?
[15:35] <claydoh> marco-parillo: no, but looking to follow up with a question someone has in the mailing list
[15:37] <marco-parillo> I believe it works. If 15.10 is like 16.04, the kicker icons did not translate, so I needed to sudo poweroff after the upgrade, and when I restarted, I had to remove some icons from my favorites and re-add them.
[15:37] <claydoh> actually, yes I am running 15.10 on my kodi box, the upgrade was mostly fine, had a minor issue with panel autohide
[15:38] <claydoh> otherwise zero problems
[15:40] <marco-parillo> Well, I could put something on the Kubuntu Wire and on G+, but I got a complaint because something like that typically goes to http://kubuntu.org/news/ and then it goes to the vaious planets and then my wire posts, which also go to the planets got viewed as spam.
[15:41] <soee> there are yet some things to be done before announcement
[17:28] <_Groo_> hi/2all
[18:35]  * sheytan just recovered from a black screen after paying with nouveau and nvidia drivers
[18:36]  * sheytan thinks that the GIU for driver manager doesn't install nvidia back fully after you switch to nouveau
[18:36] <sheytan> I did the installation in terminal (of nvidia packages) and X starts, no black screen
[18:36] <sheytan> what might be the problem?
[18:42] <blaze> you can debug GUI


[00:11] <kat> anyone please, can software center be removed safely?
[00:12] <GridCube> kat i don't think so
[00:12] <GridCube> whats the problem?
[00:12] <kat> it is way too slow and synaptic is good enough
[00:12] <kat> orthe term
[00:13] <GridCube> yes, that true
[00:13] <GridCube> but the SC manges the debs now
[00:13] <kat> it seems useless to me
[00:14] <kat> oh, what about synaptic?
[00:14] <GridCube> no idae
[00:14] <kat> k, thanks
[00:49] <MarionV> good evening ubuntu peaps
[00:50] <MarionV> is there a way i can stretch my xubuntu partition to the full size of my hdd
[00:51] <MarionV> so i want to merge sda1 with sda5 pretty much
[01:10] <GridCube> I have suddendly change my root password
[01:10] <GridCube> but i have not changed it
[01:10] <GridCube> i can't do anything
[01:10] <GridCube> this is worrying me
[01:33] <GridCube> ok :(
[01:33] <GridCube> im floped
[01:34] <GridCube> my password has changed without my knowledge
[01:34] <GridCube> i was using a program that did changed the password randomly, but for samba shares
[01:35] <GridCube> and then, it changed my sudo password
[01:35] <GridCube> D:
[01:37] <spanther> you have /home as separate partition?
[01:37] <GridCube> yes
[01:37] <GridCube> i will not reinstall
[01:38] <spanther> okay, 'cause this was the easiest way without need of knowledge :P
[01:38] <GridCube> okay ill try something else
[01:38] <spanther> i don't think there is a way to circumvent the root password. and that has security reasons.
[01:47] <GridCube> \o/
[01:47] <GridCube> YES!
[01:47] <GridCube> HUGE SUCCESS
[01:49] <GridCube> >login into recovery mode >mount disks >log in ass root >passwd user >reset password >reboot >sudo apt-get update >WORKS!
[01:49] <GridCube> i've lost pretty plymouth but whatever :D
[01:50] <spanther> so recovery mode has a built in override :)
[01:51] <GridCube> :D dumb enough to work
[01:51] <spanther> i hope this mode won't open a way to attack a system...
[01:51] <GridCube> you need first to reboot it
[01:52] <spanther> i mean that you can boot with parameters, which circumvent the root :)
[01:52] <spanther> that such parameters exist at all
[03:16] <xubuntu614> Nice, didn't see that coming.
[03:21] <GridCube> what?
[04:57] <nico1287> hi
[05:01] <Joah> hi all
[05:01] <Joah> i'm having an issue with Xubuntu on my laptop
[05:01] <Joah> 64-bit, btw
[05:01] <Joah> i'm able to hibernate, and the laptop powers down
[05:02] <Joah> however, when restoring from the hibernated session, Xubuntu does not restore it
[05:02] <Joah> and starts as a new session
[05:02] <Joah> any ideas on how i can fix this?
[07:20] <xgt001> hello i need some help :(
[07:22] <hobgoblin> ask and if someone can help they will
[07:26] <xgt001> i installed xfce4 package in oneiric,i changed the panel settings to random sh*t, later i installed xubuntu-desktop, i just got the same settings which i did to xfce4 when i logged into xubuntu session, but when i tried guest session i got a very beautiful interface, how to get it in my profile without getting a new one?
[07:35] <hobgoblin> xgt001: you want the panel set back to default?
[07:36] <xgt001> i want default xubuntu settings in my userid
[07:36] <xgt001> i am getting it when i create a fresh user
[07:36] <hobgoblin> not sure how to revert them all
[07:36] <xgt001> if i delete .config/xfce4 folder?
[07:37] <hobgoblin> I'd guess so - I know the panel is there - you could backup that folder - rename it or copy it then logout and in
[07:37] <hobgoblin> try that then
[07:41] <xgt001> hobgoblin, it worked thanks :)
[07:41] <xgt001> a little glitch, i am getting ubuntu's window decorator, how to get xubuntu's window decorator without losing compiz?
[07:42] <hobgoblin> can't help I'm afraid - I stopped using compiz in ubuntu years ago - I've no idea how to even get it to work in xubuntu
[07:42] <hobgoblin> pretty sure there's something about it in the forum
[07:47] <hobgoblin> xgt001: from looking it seems that emerald is no longer in the repo - and compiz seems to use the unity window decorator
[07:49] <xgt001> hobgoblin, yes :( saw them , compiz can use xfwm4 window decorations right?
[07:49] <hobgoblin> I have no idea without searching - as I said I stopped using compiz years ago :)
[08:01] <hobgoblin> xgt001: found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1879421
[08:05] <xgt001> thanks a lot :) trying it out
[08:06] <hobgoblin> let me know if it works :)
[08:24] <ochosi> xgt001: no, compiz can't use xfwm4 decos
[08:25] <ochosi> xgt001: so you'll have to find a theme that supports both compiz and xfwm4 (e.g. greybird, the xubuntu default, does that)
[08:26] <xgt001> ochosi, i am running compiz now
[08:26] <xgt001> but its using adwaita them :(
[08:26] <ochosi> yeah, you can set the compiz theme e.g. with gconf-editor
[08:26] <ochosi> there is no GUI by default in xubuntu for changing the compiz-decorator theme
[08:27] <xgt001>  i am in gconf-editor
[08:27] <xgt001> where to change it?
[08:27] <xgt001> schemas? apps?
[08:27] <ochosi> hm, i don't know by heart, but it's in metacity
[08:27] <ochosi> (no clue where metacity is in though)
[08:29] <hobgoblin> I'm gonna platy with it in vbox - not wanting to ruin a perfectly good setup :)
[08:29] <xgt001> hey its easy! i could change it with gnome-tweak tool
[08:30] <ochosi> hobgoblin: it's not extremely dangerous, if you want to revert the changes you can always execute "xfwm4 --replace" and uninstall compiz ;)
[08:30] <hobgoblin> I realise that - but I needed a xubu vbox anyway - so now's as good a time as any :)
[08:31] <ochosi> k :)
[08:31] <ochosi> are you simply testing xubuntu?
[08:31] <hobgoblin> makes it easier to check out forum tutes without breaking things as well - before I approve them
[08:31] <hobgoblin> nope - been using it for 9 or 10 months now
[08:31] <ochosi> right
[08:31] <Sysi> if I could stretch myself to make usable compiz setup.. but ccsm is awful
[08:32] <ochosi> agreed, ccsm is a bit overly complicated
[08:32] <hobgoblin> ochosi: really don't like unity/gnome-shell so it was time to look around - and I've never liked kde
[08:33] <ochosi> hobgoblin: guess then you're in the right place ;)
[08:33] <hobgoblin> +1 - ccsm is a nightmare
[08:33] <Sysi> I'm starting to like kde, gnome-shell is pretty good but I don't like nautilus
[08:33] <hobgoblin> ochosi: indeed
[08:34] <hobgoblin> hoping to at least report bugs for 12.04 as well - got that in a seperatepartition
[08:34] <xgt001> thanks a lot for wonderful xubuntu 11.10 :)
[08:34] <xgt001> reeally a relief after unity,shell crap
[08:35] <ochosi> yw :)
[08:35] <hobgoblin> it's not crap as such - just some people don't like it - I have had enough of the trolling on the forum - being staff means I have to read it :(
[08:35] <ochosi> hobgoblin: what forum are you in?
[08:35] <hobgoblin> ubuntuforums
[08:35] <ochosi> hobgoblin: ah, i see, nice :)
[08:36] <ochosi> hobgoblin: haven't used them as much as i used to a few years ago. been spending more and more time here and not in the forums
[08:36] <hobgoblin> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=610428
[08:36] <xgt001> hobgoblin, apologies for language, but unity restricts so much :( and shell.... better i don describe it, its just not revolutionary enough to change our computing ways!
[08:36] <ochosi> hobgoblin: nice avatar :D
[08:37] <Sysi> xgt001: I prefer gnome-shell, it's simpler
[08:37] <hobgoblin> ochosi: I'm in the beginner team help channel - but I've only recently come to this one
[08:37] <hobgoblin> ochosi: :) if it hadn't been a drawing of a php it would be a drawing of me
[08:38] <xgt001> Sysi, i agree on that but switching applications in shell is tough imho
[08:38] <ochosi> hobgoblin: hehe
[08:39] <Sysi> xgt001: I think it's easier/faster than searching app in the taskbar and clicking it
[08:39] <ochosi> yeah, about launching apps: the new xfce-appfinder will be awesome in that respect. a little like gnome-do, but much lighter on resources
[08:39] <DoverOs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hj_q_MmO7I
[08:40] <xgt001> ochosi, i just installed gnome do :D
[08:40] <ochosi> DoverOs: are you trying to rickroll us? (just wondering, posting a yt-video without comment)
[08:40] <ochosi> oh, and he's gone...
[08:41] <hobgoblin> spam - or I'd say so - or just an awful taste in music ...
[08:42] <xgt001> Sysi, btw i am on ubuntu :) better that i have lots of choice xfce,shell,unity....
[08:44] <Sysi> I might switch back to *buntu on 12.04, though I'm thinking about arch with kde, fedora xfce currently
[09:08] <incorrect> how can i have xubuntu extend my desktop over my external monitor and my laptop screen
[09:08] <incorrect> so far they just mirror, 11.04 they used to extend
[09:08] <Sysi> nvidia/ati tool or arandr
[09:08] <incorrect> no ui?
[09:08] <Sysi> they're all GUI
[09:09] <Sysi> default display settings are lacky
[09:09] <incorrect> they were there in 11.04
[09:09] <Sysi> should be the same in 11.10
[09:10] <incorrect> nope, loads of regression in 11.10
[09:10] <incorrect> i think a lot of things broke for them with ubuntu going to gtk3
[09:12] <incorrect> by default it auto detected my screens and got it right, resolutions etc
[09:13] <Sysi> xubuntu always has used mirroring by default, afaik
[09:13] <incorrect> didn't for me
[09:14] <Sysi> starting gnome services might do that
[09:14] <incorrect> could be
[09:14] <incorrect> ah yes i could well have enabled that first
[09:15] <incorrect> lets try!
[09:20] <incorrect> yep, i must have enabled gnome sessions stuff
[09:21] <incorrect> now i found a tool that made bootable distros easily
[09:49] <hobgoblin> ochosi: glad I did that compiz stuff in vbox - killed it completely :)
[09:49] <ochosi> hehe
[09:49] <nikolam> Anyone using xubuntu installed on kernel module ZFS file system? (available from PPA during install)
[09:55] <elfy> ochosi: though I Wish I'd done a snapshot ...
[09:56] <Sysi> elfy: how did it break? do you have oracle extension pack installed
[09:56] <Sysi> I think it's needed for proper 3D
[09:58] <elfy> mmm - not sure - I know I had the virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 package installed
[09:58] <elfy> sorry for the nicks - just cycling through them so they don't get stolen :p
[09:59] <ochosi> elfy: well, vbox and compiz is maybe not an ideal combination anyway...
[09:59] <elfy> yea - indeed :)
[09:59] <elfy> no idea where the autostart things are to remove them in recovery - will look later - got to fly now for a while
[10:01] <ochosi> elfy: btw, why not just register your nick/s?
[10:36] <incorrect> are there any plans to fix this stupid sound muting problem?
[10:55] <elfy> ochosi: they are - but if they're not used for 6 months they're fair game apparently
[10:56] <ochosi> that is true (and makes sense imo)
[10:56] <ochosi> incorrect: there are plans, and in fact if you uninstall pulseaudio there's no problem
[10:58] <incorrect> ochosi, what other problems might that introduce?
[10:58] <incorrect> if you don't have a sound service, you end up with one app with a lock on the sound subsystem?
[10:59] <Sysi> if you remove pulseaudio, alsa will be used directly
[10:59] <TheSheep> not if your sound card has multiple channels
[10:59] <Sysi> may causes problems if you have multiple sound devices
[11:00] <ochosi> i think you can always reinstall pulseaudio if you get in trouble
[11:00] <Sysi> yup
[11:00] <ochosi> i've done it a few times, without any problems/regressions
[11:01] <Sysi> I like how on fedora pulse=alsa, when I open alsamixer I have pulse as default soundcard
[11:02] <Sysi> on ubuntu PCM works totally randomly with pulse
[11:03] <incorrect> i will live with the mute problem until its fixed
[11:03] <Sysi> on arch I have no problems with linux 3.1 on virtualbox, but xubuntu 11.10 shuts down really slowly
[11:03] <elfy> what is this mute problem?
[11:04] <Sysi> unmuting fails
[11:09] <elfy> oh - yea noticed that - worked around it
[11:48] <ochosi> elfy: how did you work around it?
[11:48] <ochosi> (the unmute problem)
[11:58] <elfy> don't use mute - nothing particularly exotic - nor very helpful to anyone else I'm afraid
[12:58] <starn> hello, i know amarok is kubuntu application but i am in xubuntu... is there away to reduce how much memory it uses it's using 259,316k.. thats like as much as the entire OS by it self with Teampspeak 3 running...
[12:59] <starn> otherwise does anyone have a suggestion for a better player that uses way less memory like i'm kinda ok with 20-30mb.. but prefer around 10mb..
[13:00] <starn> i'd also like to have lyrics thing like amarok has..
[13:02] <knome> starn, nope, no way to affect how much memory amarok uses.
[13:02] <knome> starn, have you looked at gmusicbrowser, the default for xubuntu?
[13:03] <knome> starn, i don't know what kind of lyrics plugin amarok has nowadays, but you can have lyrics in gmb too
[13:04] <starn> knome: yes i looked at it.. it used about 36mb ish..idle don't know if it increases while playing.. only reasion i am worried about memory usage is i only have 1gb ram.
[13:05] <knome> starn, it's one of the lightest players
[13:05] <starn> knome: i take it i am not going to get any lighter than unless i use a commandline player such as moc than..
[13:05] <knome> probably not, but i'm not sure
[13:06] <starn> knome: alright. well i do multi boot.. and it uses about same as winamp.. so i guess i can live with it. heh.
[13:06] <knome> yeah. it's pretty nice really.
[13:07] <subspider> hi
[13:07] <knome> hello
[13:07] <starn> knome: it will handle a extremely large library of music right? i've seen some program completly freeze up due to the size of a library i have.
[13:07] <starn> hello subspider.
[13:07] <knome> starn, yes, it'll handle large libs
[13:07] <Sysi> starn: maybe deadbeef, though I don't know if it has lyrics plugin
[13:09] <Sysi> (you shouldn't run out 1GB with amarok and browser very easily)
[13:12] <starn> Sysi: alright i'll look into that while i wait for this to scan my lib.. and i am a heavy multitasker.. often had to do stuff CLI due to memory. i like to play games as well. and just running my Teamspeak 3 and browser and amarok. tends to have lots of audio lag. i am honestly used to ubuntu's stuff which i guess technically this is ubuntu? tried kubuntu loved amarok haha and disliked the bloatedness and hate how ubuntu has unity and the interface and xubuntu
[13:13] <elfy> starn: you could have a look at clementine
[13:13] <Sysi> basically all buntu's are the same
[13:13] <Sysi> you could buy some ram?
[13:14] <starn> Sysi: i noticed they are. seeing how i've tried those 3.. kinda still able to switch between em freely. for i never removed.. and i'm currently to poor to buy ram.. and yes i know i can get 1gb for 10 dollars on newegg
[13:15] <starn> elfy: i will look into that as well
[13:16] <starn> oh Sysi thats really neat deadbeef is avalable for my phone.
[13:16] <elfy> starn: also I think some of the mod clients have lyric support - I say think - most of the music I listen to is lyricless or I've listened to them for so long I know the lyrics - so I tend to not notice lyric plugins
[13:16] <elfy> ario does apparently
[13:16] <starn> elfy: i have terrible memory as a human.. haha
[13:16] <elfy> I have one of those as well I'm told
[13:17] <starn> clementine looks nice it even supports windows.....  and looks like old amarok?? if i am not mistaking?
[13:18] <Sysi> IIRC it is replica of amarok 1.4
[13:18] <elfy> it is - I've been using it for a long time now - I used to flit about all over the place with music players
[13:18] <starn> well seeing how thats the version i fell in love with this will probably be perfect if it's in my memory useage standards.
[13:19] <starn> i really am liking how they have a windows version for that was something i was sad about amarok.
[13:20] <elfy> starn: http://i.imgur.com/8pH58.png
[13:20] <Sysi> I'd like to find alternative to rhythmbox, how freaking hard is it to make simple player that sorts songs based on what you type
[13:20] <elfy> I think there's a windows amarok now
[13:20] <Sysi> I always fed up setting up GMB
[13:20] <elfy> Sysi: apparently it's very
[13:21] <starn> amaroks windows version is kinda buggy.. and has been so for awhile.. and rhythmbox has always been my second choice.
[13:22] <Sysi> rhythmbox is buggy, banshee is usable but not very nice or light
[13:22] <knome> starn, there is a "rhythmbox" layout for gmusicbrowser, if you like/have adjusted to the looks of it
[13:23] <Sysi> netbook layout would be pretty good if it was just a list of songs, and I'd get next song on the list by default
[13:24] <starn> so do you think it would be safe to upgrade to 64bit from what i understand you can install 32bit in 64bit now... and i am looking into all these suggestions and reading details. and if they appeal to me i'm gonna try them so far two is on the list.. deadbeef i am gonna look up on the android market haha.
[13:25] <Sysi> if you're cpu supports amd64 you can run 64bit or i686
[13:25] <Sysi> *your
[13:26] <Sysi> you can't really change current installation's architechture, but you can run 32bit apps on 64
[13:26] <starn> i have amd64.. i used to have ubuntu 10.10 64 until my entire hard drive failed. and i accidently clicked on the wrong download with out noticing.
[13:26] <starn> i know.. i would have to uninstall this more likely after backing up important files.
[13:26] <Sysi> 64 doesn't really give any advantage with 1GB
[13:26] <starn> very true.
[13:26] <starn> i do intend to get more when i can afford it.
[13:27] <starn> if not an entire new pc.. but if thats the case the question wouldn't matter. haha
[13:28] <Sysi> I'd need to move some data around so I could have virtual machines on SSD,
[13:29] <Sysi> I could run two or three with 4GB
[13:30] <starn> i know it's normally a bad idea to do this but walmart is selling a computer for 699 with 16gb ram and amd 64 3.2 quad core.. really thinking about saving for that..
[13:30] <Sysi> you probably could build machine with similar specs for cheaper
[13:31] <starn> so far with my pricing i can't :\ than again i always want a video card which i already have..
[13:32] <starn> but with 16gb i would never need windows more likely. a virtual machine set to use 8gb would probably run high end games with a good enough video card right?
[13:32] <starn> well would never have to boot out of linux.
[13:32] <Sysi> 3D isn't that great with virtualization
[13:34] <starn> hmm... well that's ok.. PC's normally have windows installed i could do dual.. but this is more of a dream atm.. seeing how i can't pay for $10 1gb stick of ram... haha
[13:39] <starn> xubuntu does not use gnome correct? it uses xfce? and if so do they plan to make it like gnome 3? for a heads up would be nice before they do so i won't upgrade.
[13:39] <Sysi> not for the foreseeable future
[13:40] <starn> thank goodness! welp i found my new home haha
[13:40] <Sysi> it's always been your home, you were just lost for a while :P
[13:41] <starn> already enjoying the random background switching every 5 minutes. probably so.. i was lost in gnome 2 :P
[13:42] <starn> hey my music lib managed to freeze gmusicbrowser...
[13:42] <knome> is it still importing?
[13:43] <starn> it froze on "checking length/bitrate
[13:43] <knome> ochosi will know more about gmb
[13:43] <knome> but afaik it needs to do that once
[13:43] <starn> the computer got super slow while importing but i assumed this was due to the massive amounts of songs... don't help they're on 2tb hard drive.
[13:43] <ochosi> yes, only once
[13:43] <knome> and it might take some time for a large collection
[13:44] <ochosi> thing is it checks the real length of the mp3s – meaning that takes a bit if they don't a vbr header
[13:45] <starn> they was on this hard drive which is 160gb but it was eventually to small. so they got moved to the 2tb.. i think there is 6000-7000 without vbr headers.
[13:45] <starn> oh yay it unfreeze
[13:45] <Sysi> bigger disk should be faster
[13:45] <starn> i thought so my self.
[13:46] <Sysi> newer and "tighter"
[13:46] <starn> don't help i believe i have enough songs to fill my windows harddrive.
[13:46] <starn> it's 320gb...
[13:47] <starn> this is all music i've gotten from CD's from friends family etc and that i got since i was 12..... so it's about 11 years worth of music history haha
[13:51] <starn> so what do you guys use untu systems for?? i know music thus far i assume internet. basically everything an avg user uses windows for? plus for the added safety? i like to use it for the cli and ease of use compaired to windows.. like it's been so long since i used dos... i tried to and i couldn't figure it out for the life of me.... so i installed cygwin.. haha
[13:56] <elfy> I use it to annoy the kids ,,,
[13:56] <starn> that's an good idea actually
[13:57] <GridCube> :) people this channel is for support :)
[13:57] <GridCube> !ot
[14:01] <elfy> GridCube: yea I know - no-one appears to be about though
[14:06] <Sysi> GMB shimmer-netbook, how do I make it to switch to next song when currently played one ends? now it just jumps to some random song
[14:07] <Sysi> well, it jumps always to same song but I have no idea where it picks that
[14:08] <Sysi> "playing" from popup menu seems to do nothing or something completely random
[14:10] <Sysi> I managed to do it on desktop-layout but that's just awful
[14:12] <Sysi> argh, something that complicated with *very* basic stuff definitely should not be default
[14:15] <GridCube> Sysi, thats because, GMB its really bad media player, you think that you have searched your music collection, when in factyou just filtered the "view" of a current "playlist"
[14:16] <GridCube> use any other media player, i recommend guayadeque
[14:28] <knome> i don't think it's justifiable to say gmb is a bad player if it happens to do some things different than the other media players you might have used
[14:30] <Sysi> it would be more rightful to say that it's a bit illogical/unclear
[14:32] <GridCube> if you have to learn a whole new philosophy just to play some music, its bad. even more when its not clearly explicit, when there is no clear way to search your collection and add stuff to a playlist, like any, from the dawn of time, did.
[14:32] <knome> a bit, the complete truth is that it is just working in a different than other media players which makes it maybe a bit hard to grasp
[14:32] <GridCube> thats, from my humble opinion, its bad
[14:32] <knome> use the queue, or the filters.
[14:32] <knome> they are really easy-to-use
[14:33] <GridCube> i don't even know what those are
[14:33] <GridCube> i got extremely frustrated with gmb and went for a good media player instead
[14:33] <knome> the queue is simply a play queue on the left hand side, it's one of the tabs
[14:33] <Sysi> if rhythmbox starts breaking too bad, I go for JuK or banshee
[14:33] <knome> drag-and-drop there, and those tracks will play next
[14:34] <Sysi> it could be wise to reconsider default player for next LTS, though I can't think of any really good candidate :/
[14:34] <GridCube> Sysi, try guayadeque :D its pretty good
[14:35] <GridCube> Sysi, i proposed a change, but i was said "nope"
[14:35] <knome> we've changed the default player twice quite lately.
[14:35] <knome> i think that proves it's a matter of taste, and we can't please everyone.
[14:35] <Sysi> I think it has changed on almost every version since 8.04
[14:35] <knome> not really. first to exaile and then to gmb.
[14:36] <knome> that makes it two.
[14:36] <Sysi> 8.04 had rhythmbox, at some point it was Listen, then Exaile and now GMB
[14:36] <knome> right, listen...
[14:36] <knome> i think it was listen for maybe one cycle
[14:36] <knome> that was good when we switched to it, but then it got totally borked
[14:37] <Sysi> banshee would be pretty good but it requires mono
[14:37] <Sysi> more deps than rhythmbox, even if it works betterly
[14:37] <knome> pulls a lot of stuff.
[14:40] <hobgoblin> I don't personally think that the choice of music players by default will ever be perfect - but I can see gmb not being such a good one - but that's just my opinion and based purely on the fact I couldn't get my head around the way it wanted to work
[14:42] <knome> hobgoblin, mmh. i kind of liked listen, since it was really really really simple and easy-to-use. too bad something went wrong.
[14:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:43] <hobgoblin> I always had trouble with the way that various media players dealt with the sort of silly playlists I have - I settled on amarok 1.x then they released 2 and I started again lol
[14:43] <Sysi> I didn't like it, maybe my opinion about simple is too simple
[14:45] <hobgoblin> listen or amarok ? or both
[14:45] <Sysi> listen, but amarok too :P
[14:45] <hobgoblin> :p
[14:46] <hobgoblin> I install version 2 every now and again and rapidly uninstall it - latest attempt was last night lol - takes longer for it to read my music lib than to install and uninstall
[14:46] <hobgoblin> clementine is quick with it's first read and then stays quick
[15:15] <starn> i have a fairly weird question.. in windows 7 i can have music come through speakers and VoIP or games or what ever through headphones.. and other way around... is this possible in xubuntu?
[15:17] <starn> and that is at the same time with out having to unplug heaphones from front jacks and speakers from rear or anything really special..
[15:33] <GridCube> starn, it should be possible, yes
[15:34] <GridCube> try setting your programs to use different outputs
[15:35] <starn> hmmmm... i only have alsa and pulse that i am aware of and totally tried that... this is gonna become come complex process isn't it? :(
[15:35] <starn> and now with you saying it's possible i will probably spend countless hours trying to figure this out.
[15:36] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and see if you can set it up with that
[15:37] <starn> alright Sysi.. btw my two test programs are Teamspeak 3 and gmusicbrowser.
[15:43] <starn> Sysi: that sadly does not give me anymore options than what i already have.
[15:45] <starn> i did learn for Audio recording aka micophone i use Alsa... dunno what i use for play back.
[15:56] <starn> has anyone have suggestion? or should i ask this in the ubuntu channel?
[17:04] <ochosi> stupid skype doesn't accept my gtk-theme *and* changes my mousecursor in oneiric – any experiences as to why this happens?
[17:06] <Sysi> does it use Qt theming?
[17:06] <baizon_> yes
[17:06] <ochosi> yup
[17:07] <ochosi> before exporting "GTK2_RC_FILES=$HOME/.gtkrc-2.0" helped, but not anymore
[17:08] <Sysi> I think it can affect cursor, does skype have settings for selecting theming?
[17:08] <ochosi> yeah, but they don't work anymore in oneiric
[17:09] <sburjan`> Hello. I have just finished installing 11.10 and I wanted to install openssh-server, but I don't see it in the packge list ? could someone tell me what's the package name, or why the package has been removed from xubuntu repos ?
[17:11] <Sysi> it should be there, refresh your package lists
[17:11] <Sysi> !info openssh-server
[17:15] <sburjan`> Sysi: thanks, I had to run update
[17:15] <Sysi> you should do that every time you're installing something (if not on same day/hour)
[17:19] <sburjan`> Sysi: now a dumb question. I have to connect to a remote SSH Server from the File Manager, but I don't find any option to do that
[17:20] <ochosi> sburjan`: in case you have all the packages needed installed you can press ctrl+l and just enter the remote location (e.g. user@ssh://myserver)
[17:24] <sburjan`> the open button is not clickable. I am trying: username@<IP_ADDRESS>://home/username
[17:24] <Sysi> you may need to install gvfs-backends
[17:29] <sburjan`> do I have to reboot ?
[17:32] <sburjan`> nope, didn't work
[17:35] <GridCube> what problem do you have sburjan` ?
[17:36] <sburjan`> GridCube: tryong to conenct to a ssh host from File Manager
[17:36] <GridCube> oh
[17:36] <GridCube> never could make that kind of thing
[17:37] <GridCube> but the easiest(safer) way to do things like that is to mount them on fstab
[17:37] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[17:38] <Sysi> I wouldn't say safer
[17:39] <GridCube> >never could make that kind of thing
[17:39] <Sysi> sburjan`: you may need to restart thunar, "killall thunar" or relogin
[17:40] <sburjan`> Sysi: I rebooted, manager to advance a little bit. Trying with ssh:username@<IP_ADDRESS>://home/username .. and I get a "No hostname specified" error
[17:46] <sburjan`> ok, I'm in. damn syntax :)
[17:53] <EagleScreen> hi
[17:53] <GridCube> !hi
[17:54] <EagleScreen> Xubuntu 11.10 is giving me a very good impresion
[17:54] <GridCube> :D
[17:54] <EagleScreen> I think Software Origins should be under System, not under Configuration, it would have more sense for me
[17:55] <kirill> hello there
[17:56] <kirill> please help me how i can up soun in headphones,
[17:56] <kirill> ?
[17:56] <GridCube> kirill, try alsamixer
[17:56] <GridCube> if that doesnt work use pavucontrol
[17:56] <kirill> i turn it in max in mixer but it still very bad
[17:56] <sburjan`> does xubuntu use pulse-audio ?
[17:56] <kirill> yes
[17:56] <GridCube> yes
[17:57] <kirill> but without headphones sound is ok
[17:57] <GridCube> kirill, thats from pavucontrol?
[17:57] <kirill> alsamixer
[17:57] <GridCube> try the other one
[17:57] <kirill> how i can install pavucontrol?
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo apt-get installs pavucontrol
[17:57] <GridCube> without the s
[17:57] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[17:57] <kirill> senk u i try it now
[17:58] <GridCube> kirill, also check that your heaephones work anywhere else
[17:58] <EagleScreen> dont you agree with me in moving Software Origins? i am talking about Applications menu
[17:58] <GridCube> EagleScreen, thats a devel question
[17:58] <GridCube> it should go to #xubuntu-devel
[17:58] <GridCube> :)
[18:03] <Michi74390> hi! I've just switched to xubuntu and it's awesome so far. Just one thing: the touchpad clicking does not always work and it's quite hard to drag windows around only with the pad
[18:03] <Michi74390> any idea what I can do about it?
[18:04] <kirill> install last version of xubuntu
[18:05] <Michi74390> i am on xubuntu 11.10
[18:05] <kirill> what ver of xubuntu d u have?
[18:05] <kirill> o
[18:06] <kirill> hmm
[18:06] <kirill> in last version this problem was on my laptop but in 11.10 all ok
[18:07] <Michi74390> hm
[18:08] <kirill> try to install xfce from them web
[18:08] <kirill> mb
[18:09] <Michi74390> actually it's not too bad, I just have to almost punch the touchpad to click
[18:09] <kirill> mb its better for u to use normal mouse
[19:49] <tinrib> Good evening, anyone around?
[19:50] <baizon_> yes
[19:51] <tinrib> Hi there. Do you know how to add 'stuff' to the xubuntu desktop XFCE?
[19:51] <tinrib> Like a clock, weather etc?
[19:52] <RiceKing> Hi all, I did a fresh isntall of Xubuntu 11.10  Is there an easy way to setup dual monitor?  Perhaps an app or command?
[19:53] <tinrib> Hi RiceKing, I just saw a web page on how to do that. Google it?
[19:53] <baizon> RiceKing: i would recommend arandr
[19:53] <Sysi> tinrib: check out conky
[19:54] <tinrib> thanks
[19:54] <baizon> tinrib: or desklets
[19:54] <RiceKing> conky and arandr  I will give those a go.
[19:54] <baizon> RiceKing: no no conky wasnt for you
[19:54] <baizon> it was for tinrib
[19:54] <RiceKing> oh ok
[19:54] <baizon> for you its only arandr
[19:54] <RiceKing> OK thnak you
[19:55] <RiceKing> *thank you
[19:55] <baizon> its a nice tool to configure multiple displays
[19:55] <tinrib> About dual monitors - does dvi to 2 vga splitter cable work?
[19:57] <RiceKing> both dvi
[19:57] <tinrib> oh, cheers, my pc is old skool
[19:58] <tinrib> only have a vga and dvi out
[19:58] <tinrib> no dual dvi
[20:04] <knome> tinrib, why don't you use and adapter for vga
[20:06] <tinrib> knome, so use dvi to vga adapter and then the other vga at the same time?
[20:06] <tinrib> I want dual monitors like RiceKing but on old kit
[20:07] <knome> well, i don't know if a splitter works. but with an adapter, should work
[20:07] <tinrib> haven't done dual monitors on linux ever. have 10 monitors at work and that's all splitter cables
[20:08] <Sysi> if you don't have DVI display, adapter works well
[20:09] <tinrib> the video card has dvi and vga connectors, can i use both at the same time, sorry if that sounds too newbie
[20:09] <Sysi> you can
[20:10] <RiceKing> Arandr did the trick for my dual screen but doesn't retain the settings after rebbot.
[20:10] <RiceKing> *reboot
[20:10] <tinrib> oh well, i may just get that second monitor then
[20:10] <tinrib> spent a load of time looking for a splitter cable for nothing today, nice
[20:10] <Sysi> RiceKing: export script with it and put it to autostart
[20:10] <knome> well i suppose it depends on the graphics card too
[20:10] <RiceKing> Where is auto start folder located?
[20:11] <Sysi> settings → sessions and startup → autostart
[20:11] <RiceKing> sweet thanks, I will go now and try
[20:12] <Sysi> knome: I haven't heard about card that supports only one card, though I had card that only supported two even if it had four outputs
[20:12] <knome> only one monitor
[20:12] <knome> :)
[20:13] <Sysi> yes :D
[20:13] <knome> mmh, yeah, but it's not given that all will
[20:21] <RiceKing> I exported Arandr settings and added to the startup but is not working
[20:22] <RiceKing> I have to double click manually the script in order to get my dual screen settings back
[20:22] <phunyguy> lol @ the username RiceKing.  Any relation to the restaurant?  (Sorry I know off topic)
[20:22] <RiceKing> No, LOL.... I just love Asian girls.... but who doesn't
[20:23] <knome> phunyguy, may i ask you... if you know about -offtopic, why didn't you ask him to join there? :P
[20:37] <phunyguy> knome, meh.
[20:39] <incorrect> can use ubuntu one with xfce?
[20:43] <Myrtti> sure, the file manager plugin wont be there but otherwise it works
[20:44] <incorrect> i could replace thunar with nautilus?
[20:44] <Sysi> if you want
[20:45] <Myrtti> I've never seen the need for the filemanager plugin but I guess someone might find it useful
[20:45] <incorrect> not sure what the file manager plugin does
[21:00] <incorrect> which media player should i use these days?
[21:01] <Sysi> something you like
[21:01] <incorrect> maybe i will just go with the default
[21:01]  * GridCube sighs
[21:01] <Sysi> rhythmbox/banshee/gmusicbrowser/amarok/clementine/deadbeef
[21:05] <TheSheep> qudolibet
[21:05] <TheSheep> quodlibet
[21:25] <w30> Any one know how to make the xfce4 desktop single click?
[21:26] <Sysi> I think that's not currently possible
[21:28] <w30> I have double click troubles, using explorer in Windows95 I kept moving the windows folder into the printer spool *sigh*
[21:29] <Sysi> using panel(s) is much more handy anyway :p
[21:30] <w30> Sysi, what do you mean using panels?
[21:32] <w30> Sysi, making app launchers in the panel? I like to open a bunch text files I have on my Desktop like grocery list, phone lists, whatever.
[21:34] <Sysi> for static files that would work on panel too (I like my desktop empty)
[21:36] <w30> Sysi, good for you; I use my desktop for a staging area and quick access to a few docs
[21:37] <Sysi> w30: I open thunar faster from panel than get desktop visible :P
[21:37] <Sysi> everyone has different ways of doing stuff
[21:37] <w30> Sysi, so I left that Unity abortion for xfce4
[21:41] <phunyguy> I actually prefer Unity.
[21:41] <phunyguy> went back and forth for about a year.
[21:42] <Sysi> I prefer gnome-shell over unity
[21:42] <phunyguy> ack.  now THAT is an abortion.  And a topic for !offtopic.
[21:43] <Sysi> I'll try setting up compiz next.. otherly I'll switch from xfce to kde
[21:43] <phunyguy> ooooh I love KDE, just never have any stability with it.
[21:45] <Sysi> 4.7 is feeling pretty good, I didn't switch earlier because of stability
[21:45] <w30> I'm also trying Enlightenment but it's quite foreign to me as far as configuring goes so far
[21:45] <phunyguy> good luck with that.
[21:45]  * w30 is going to try 'em all I quess
[21:46]  * w30 wonders if lxde single clicks?
[22:05] <Sysi> how could I change text color in topicbar of irssi? (where in theme file)
[22:06] <Myrtti> hold on, let me check
[22:08] <Myrtti> oh.
[22:09] <Myrtti> nevermind then.
[22:10] <knome> lol
[22:14] <Sysi> well, that didn't work out properly
[22:14] <Myrtti> what did you use
[22:15] <Myrtti> I was going to suggest topicsbstart
[22:16] <Sysi> I changed sb = " %c[%n$*%c]%n"; but something apparently went wrong
[22:19] <Sysi> ah, removed *} at the end of some line accidentally
[22:21] <Sysi> well, %c[%n$*%c]%b"; doesn't work
[22:27] <WalterN> a factor of 10 less ppl... lol
[22:28] <WalterN> anyway, I've got three screens, trying to figure out how to arrange them so they are not all mirrored (showing the same thing)
[22:32] <Myrtti> WalterN: is your GPU by any chance NVidia?
[22:33] <WalterN> no, AMD radeon HD 6870
[22:35] <Myrtti> hm, then there may be some hope of getting it to work with arandr/grandr
[22:35] <Sysi> hrm, now I lost settings from my theme file
[22:36] <WalterN> in gnome there was a handy little checkbox in one of the settings that switched between mirroring or not
[22:42] <WalterN> herm, dont see where to change microphone/speaker settings either
[22:51] <Sysi> Myrtti: I couldn't fint out how to change that color, I started again from default
[22:55] <Sysi> I wonder if this would be good moment to have a break from irc


[06:25]  * mwhudson is in that fun "run tests. edit security.cfg, rinse later repeat" cycle
[06:44] <lifeless> <
[07:27] <lifeless> jml: ping
[08:15] <wgrant> noodles775: Won't your anti-buildd-monopolisation branch pretty effectively break start time and queue length estimations?
[08:15] <wgrant> (it's also completely over-restrictive except for a few PPAs)
[08:26] <adeuring> good morning
[08:26] <noodles775> wgrant: yes - as per the comment on that bug, we'll need to update the estimations etc.
[08:27] <noodles775> wgrant: and I've created bug 450124 for improvements...
[08:27] <mup> Bug #450124: Improvements to IBuilder.findBuildCandidate() <Soyuz:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/450124>
[08:27] <ubot3`> Malone bug 450124 in soyuz "Improvements to IBuilder.findBuildCandidate()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450124
[08:27] <mup> Bug #450124: Improvements to IBuilder.findBuildCandidate() <Soyuz:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/450124>
[08:27] <mup> Bug #450124: Improvements to IBuilder.findBuildCandidate() <Soyuz:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/450124>
[08:28] <noodles775> wgrant: so pls add any issues/improvements you can think of there (I've put one easy solution, but you might have better ideas :) ).
[08:33] <stub> eek - double bots. Danger of feedback loops.
[08:34]  * thumper shoots mup
[08:47] <al-maisan> Good morning
[08:53] <bigjools> thumper: yo
[08:58] <thumper> bigjools: hey
[08:58] <bigjools> thumper: call?
[08:58] <thumper> bigjools: yo
[08:58]  * thumper fires up skype
[08:59] <bigjools> FAIL
[08:59] <thumper> bigjools: first time I hadn't plugged in the head phones
[09:00] <bigjools> thumper: ah yeah, skype doesn't like it when you plug them in when it's already running
[09:00] <bigjools> bites me all the time
[09:03] <mrevell> Morning!
[10:51] <bigjools> thumper: so I can't find a blueprint for build from branch, I'll register one on Soyuz as a start since most of the work is there
[14:07] <gary_poster> salgado: I'm hoping you'll join us on working on Python 2.5/2.6 on a sprint-like thing.  We're hanging out in #launchpad-sprint .  (Others are welcome too!)
[14:11] <gary_poster> BjornT: hey.  You want to call?  I just got on Skype
[14:11] <BjornT> gary_poster: yes, i'm starting skype now
[14:11] <gary_poster> BjornT: cool
[14:13] <BjornT> gary_poster: https://code.launchpad.net/~bjornt/lazr-js/buildoutification/+merge/13003
[14:22] <BjornT> gary_poster: http://code.google.com/p/js-test-driver/
[14:43] <barry> sinzui: network fail
[14:43] <sinzui> I see
[14:43] <barry> sinzui: try me again
[14:44] <sinzui> barry:I cannot connected you
[14:44] <barry> sinzui: restarting :(
[14:47] <barry> sinzui: i guess we're done, eh? ;)
[14:47] <sinzui> barry: are indeed done
[14:47] <barry> sinzui: okie dokie
[15:09] <barry> danilos: ping
[15:09] <danilos> barry: hi
[15:10] <barry> danilos: hi!  i think you're the only translations guy online atm.  do you have a few minutes to help me with something?
[15:10] <danilos> barry: sure, I can give it a shot, though I might be way behind things after two weeks of sprinting
[15:11] <danilos> (though, just imagine the wonders it did for my line :)
[15:12] <barry> danilos: :).  what i'm looking for is the code in poexports that actually creates the tarfiles.  tests such as poexport-request-productseries.txt are failing in the python2.5 branch because the tar format changed.  i want to take a look at how export creates those tarfiles, but i'm having some trouble locating the exact code
[15:12] <barry> danilos: actually looking for where files are being added to the tarfile
[15:12] <barry> danilos: do we use python's tarfile module or do we shell out to tar to do that?
[15:13] <danilos> barry: somewhere in lp.translations.utilities, let me check
[15:13] <danilos> barry: we use tarfile module
[15:13] <barry> danilos: cool, thanks
[15:13] <danilos> barry: translation_export in there
[15:14] <barry> danilos: ExportFileStorage?
[15:14] <barry> TarballFileStorageStrategy?
[15:14] <danilos> barry: LaunchpadWriteTarFile I think
[15:15] <danilos> barry: add_file method if that's what you are looking for
[15:15] <barry> danilos: got it.  thanks!  i think that's what i'm looking for
[15:16] <barry> danilos: let me poke around in there.  i may return with more questions.  in the meantime.... thanks!
[15:16] <danilos> barry: sure, you are welcome
[15:36] <leonardr> adeuring, i have some more questions about the problem publishing IHWDBApplication through the web service, which i asked you about yesterday
[15:37] <adeuring> leonardr: yes?
[15:37] <leonardr> who has permission to see that object?
[15:37] <adeuring> leonardr: a special team called hwdb-team
[15:38] <leonardr> ok
[15:38] <leonardr> is this internal to canonical?
[15:38] <leonardr> i'm trying to figure out whether it makes sense to publish information about the hwdb object in the public api documentation
[15:40] <adeuring> leonardr: it is internal to Canonical
[15:41] <leonardr> adeuring: is this bug stopping those people from doing useful work?
[15:42] <adeuring> leonardr: No; the point is that you need to know how to create the HWDB object "manually", via lp.load().
[15:43] <leonardr> adeuring: i see
[15:43] <adeuring> leonardr: so, it is more an inconvenience, since lp.hwdb does not work
[15:43] <adeuring> (i mean, in scripts that use launchpadlib)
[15:43] <leonardr> right
[15:49] <leonardr> adeuring: is the same true of objects like h_w_device and h_w_device_class? is there no way for normal users to get to them?
[15:49] <leonardr> because if so, they are cluttering up the api doc
[15:50] <adeuring> leonardr: yes. Though I hink that we should open at least parts of the HWDB at some time. But the details are quite difficult...
[15:52] <leonardr> i see
[15:52] <leonardr> i've been telling people about the hwdb publishing as though it was something they could access. that's pretty emberassing
[15:53] <adeuring> well, it was open for some time, but the was, erm, some demand to close it...
[15:55] <leonardr> ok
[18:02] <bigjools> anyone got any ideas why this might happen? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/292507/
[18:02] <mrevell> Night all
[18:04] <jml> bigjools, no. however I will gladly rewrite said software in Twisted, if you can somehow wrangle me the time to do so :)
[18:05] <bigjools> jml: oh *please*.... with lots of icing and cherries
[18:05] <bigjools> actually I *think* Celso did some of that before he left, I need to poke through his unlanded branches
[18:06] <jml> bigjools, time-wrangling is the trick.
[18:06] <bigjools> jml: I'm sure it's only 30m work for a man of your calibre
[18:08] <jml> bigjools, nothing that involves running tests in Launchpad takes less than 30m.
[18:09] <bigjools> jml: it's ok poppy doesn't have tests :)
[18:10]  * bigjools EODs
[18:10] <bigjools> g'night
[18:10] <jml> bigjools, g'night.
[20:42] <mwhudson> good morning
[20:46] <dobey> hey mwhudson
[20:48] <lifeless> hey
[21:05] <jml> hello
[21:09] <thumper> hi jml
[21:15] <mwhudson> hi jml
[21:15] <mwhudson> jml: thanks for the review
[21:16] <jml> np
[21:17] <thumper> rockstar: skype ping
[21:17] <rockstar> thumper, pong
[21:22] <beuno> flacoste, intellectronica, http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200910/remove_the_outline_from_links_on_active_only/
[21:23] <lifeless> hi jml
[21:23] <lifeless> jml: whats your opinion about patches adding the extended test protocol I've been designing to testtools?
[21:25] <jml> lifeless, unformed, generally favourable.
[22:01] <mwhudson> jml: is there a bug for the branchingubuntu work?
[22:01] <jml> mwhudson, I don't think so.
[22:01] <mwhudson> or, gosh, maybe a blueprint!?!
[22:04]  * mwhudson acquires ridiculous amounts of karma by using blueprints
[22:06] <mwhudson> thumper, jml: does https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+spec/branching-ubuntu/ look ok?
[22:08] <jml> mwhudson, what exactly am I looking for?
[22:09] <mwhudson> jml: sanity
[22:09] <jml> mwhudson, the blueprint metadata looks fine
[22:09] <mwhudson> jml: conspicuously wrong things
[22:09] <mwhudson> jml: ok thanks
[22:09] <jml> mwhudson, I'm pretty sure I wrote the spec, so I'm happy to assume that it's relatively sane :)
[22:10] <mwhudson> jml: heh
[22:13] <rockstar> thumper, did you land the branch index windmill test?
[22:22] <jml> mwhudson, actually, do you have a moment to talk about the code import stuff?
[22:22] <thumper> rockstar: yes
[22:22] <mwhudson> jml: sure
[22:23] <jml> mwhudson, can you call my landline?
[22:23] <mwhudson> jml: sec
[22:23] <rockstar> thumper, it's failing on my machine looking for xpath='//div[contains(@class, "yui-ichoicelist-content")]'
[22:24] <thumper> ??
[22:25]  * thumper tries to run the test
[22:25] <rockstar> thumper, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/292652/
[22:44] <thumper> flacoste: did we have a call?
[22:46] <flacoste> thumper: we should
[22:47] <simon-o> Hi, I asked this in launchpad-sprint before, but they are busy at the moment (the problem is related to the sprint). Does anyone know, when and where output elements are escaped?
[22:47] <thumper> simon-o: which elements?
[22:48] <thumper> flacoste: I just get your skype voicemail
[22:49] <simon-o> thumper: links to feeds (<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" ...>)
[22:49] <flacoste> thumper: that's because i needed to hang up with Gary first!
[22:49] <flacoste> thumper: i'm free now!
[22:49] <simon-o> this is the test case feeds/xx-links
[22:49] <thumper> simon-o: what is failing exactly?
[22:50] <wgrant> (note that this only fails with Python 2.5)
[22:50] <simon-o> thumper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/292664/
[22:51] <simon-o> wgrant: yes, it's only py2.5 but I trying to fix this, but don't know where to search
[22:51] <wgrant> The escaping is still fine.
[22:51] <wgrant> It just does it differently.
[22:52] <wgrant> I'm not sure changing it just to match the tests is a good idea.
[22:54] <simon-o> wgrant: ok I saw this while debugging. So this isn't related to py2.5
[22:54] <wgrant> simon-o: Doesn't it only happen in 2.5?
[22:58] <simon-o> wgrant: Sure, what I wanted to say was that this isn't a bug somewhere in python 2.5 it's just a changed behavior
[22:58] <simon-o> :)
[22:59] <wgrant> simon-o: Oh, right.
[23:00] <mwhudson> hooray doctests
[23:00] <mwhudson> simon-o: you could test that the unescaped output is the same?
[23:00] <mwhudson> maybe
[23:00] <simon-o> mwhudson: the test is just about correct escaping
[23:01] <mwhudson> i see
[23:01] <simon-o> and I think title='Announcements for Bad displayname"><script>alert("h4x0r")</script>' is escaped correctly
[23:02] <wgrant> Right - it just prefers to use different quotes rather than escape them.
[23:03] <simon-o> wgrant: yes. now I would just be interested where exactly this happens (i.e. which method does the escaping)
[23:03] <wgrant> simon-o: Whatever XML library TAL uses, I would guess.
[23:06] <simon-o> wgrant, mwhudson, thumper: thanks, you helped me a lot


[02:25] <holstein> _marx_: cheers.. i havent been back to WV in years..
[02:25] <holstein> i think about it often, though


[01:18] <wgrant> Yay GitHub
[01:19] <wgrant> Trying to create a PR for the dulwich changes.
[01:19] <wgrant> The "Compare" link works, but there's no way to create a PR.
[01:19] <wgrant> The "Pull request" link 404s.
[01:26] <lifeless> jelmer: ^
[01:26] <wgrant> Oh
[01:26] <wgrant> 404 on the pull request link means "you're not logged in", apparently.
[01:26] <wgrant> My session must have expired.
[01:26] <wgrant> Why would you show the link and then 404 :(
[02:57] <maozhou> cjwatson, wgrant : Is it spamming you yet?
[03:05] <wgrant> maozhou: I haven't had reports of it in some weeks.
[03:20] <maozhou> ok
[03:49] <blr> hmm that was weird, must have been logged out for some reason, but ended up with base template json errors
[03:49] <blr> wasn't entirely obvious what was going on...
[03:50] <wgrant> blr: Hm, that's not a good sign.
[03:50] <wgrant> What was the error?
[03:52] <blr> wgrant: https://pastebin.canonical.com/133538/
[04:06] <wgrant> jelmer: Thanks.
[04:06] <wgrant> blr: Hm, can you reproduce it now?
[04:11] <blr> wgrant: nope
[04:22] <blr> wgrant: just about have all these changes complete, but would like to merge the templates - can a tal:condition be a route/path, or refer to the view class? Ideally would like to avoid having a property set on the project setbranch view just for this purpose
[04:26] <wgrant> blr: tal:condition can be any TALES expression. But I don't think it'd be bad to have a is_series or similar property on the view to determine the behaviour, if you had to.
[04:26] <blr> wgrant: ok, if that's acceptable that would certainly be easy enough
[04:44] <blr> wgrant: the zcml docs suggest the 'for' directive can take multiple classes, but I don't see any instances where we're doing that (other than *), is there are a reason for that?
[04:46] <wgrant> blr: Hm, that may work, not sure. If it makes things nicer, I have no problem with it.
[04:46] <wgrant> It would be handy if that did work.
[04:46] <blr> wgrant: hmm no it crashes actually heh
[04:48] <blr> may have been misinterpreting Multiadapters http://docs.zope.org/zope.component/zcml.html
[04:48] <blr> effectively I want to share a macro between IProduct and IProductSeries
[04:50] <wgrant> Yeah, unless you have a common interface you need to register it twice.
[04:50] <wgrant> What's the macro?
[04:53] <blr> push instructions and the ssh key reminder. Both could be inlined in the template, but they seem like they could potentially be used elsewhere
[04:53] <wgrant> ah, yes.
[05:14] <blr> right, think that's in reasonable shape now.
[05:15] <blr> might merge this branch into the golang import meta branch and try to get that working tomorrow for mwhudson
[05:18] <blr> ah, I didn't add the repository_location vocabulary... drat. Will look at that as well.
[05:19] <blr> at any rate, ttyl wgrant
[05:23] <wgrant> blr: Thanks, have a good weekend.


[09:19] <cjwatson> ogra_: I think I see how to fix bug 1028905 (at least by filtering out extended partitions in list-devices as you suggest, never mind the issue of mount hanging) - are you already on it?
[09:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1028905 in cdrom-detect "cdrom-detect in quantal omap4 hangs trying to look for install media on an extended partition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1028905
[09:20] <cjwatson> I've at least reassigned that to debian-installer-utils, which seems closer to a proper place
[09:21] <ogra_> cjwatson,  i was on it on and off butu was rather trying to hunt down the root cause with mount instead of just filtering, i can implement some filtering i guess
[09:21] <cjwatson> if you'd rather hunt down the root cause, I don't object :)
[09:21] <cjwatson> just looking for quick ways to kill -tracking bugs I guess
[09:22] <cjwatson> one reason to filter is that anything which implements tests such as "does list-devices partition return anything" shouldn't consider extended partitions
[09:22] <cjwatson> probably
[09:22]  * cjwatson goes to look at users
[09:22] <ogra_> well, i'll add a filter first then and open a task against mount we can leave open
[09:25] <cjwatson> make sure either that that task isn't targeted to quantal, or that it's a separate bug
[09:25] <cjwatson> since I don't think we want to *commit* to it for 12.10
[09:25] <cjwatson> right, I just checked all the users of list-devices *partition in upstream d-i
[09:26] <cjwatson> all of them are looking for something they can mount
[09:26] <cjwatson> so I'm pretty convinced it's correct to filter
[09:26] <cjwatson> this contributes slightly to bug 613510
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613510 in rescue "Rescue mode shows more partitions that those that are available as root partitions" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613510
[09:27] <ogra_> oh, nice
[10:52] <pjotr> cjwatson: I'd like to request your attention for a bug in Ubiquity in Quantal, that causes confusion:
[10:52] <pjotr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1057452
[10:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1057452 in ubiquity "[Quantal] Ubiquity creates confusion about which part of the disk space will go to Ubuntu" [Undecided,New]
[10:53] <pjotr> Can this be helped in time for Quantal final edition?
[10:55] <xnox> pjotr: that's a duplicate.
[10:55] <xnox> of bug 947107
[10:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 947107 in ubiquity "No partition labels in the resize widgets" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947107
[10:57] <xnox> I did some poking at it, and it's something nasty in gkt/cairo stack. I can get the resize widget to correct display: either space labels or the logo/titles.
[10:57] <xnox> but not both =/
[10:59] <pjotr> xnox: OK.... Well, maybe a provisional solution could be, that the explanatory text *above* the widgets, would mention clearly that the space *on the right side* will be the Ubuntu space.
[10:59] <pjotr> What do you think?
[10:59] <xnox> I think the bug needs to be fixed. Because the intended layout that is set is:
[11:00] <xnox> Logo (windows/ubuntu/other image), device (/dev/sda1), name (Ubuntu 12.04 / Windows 7) and then the size of the partition.
[11:00] <xnox> but some changes in gtk stack prevent displaying it correctly for some reason.
[11:01] <xnox> there is another bug open, that it is not accessible.
[11:01] <xnox> But i'm not sure which widgets to use to get a11y & screenreader to pick the changes up.
[11:02] <pjotr> xnox: the current text above the widgets is: "Allocate drive space by dragging the divider below:"
[11:02] <pjotr> maybe this could become: "Allocate drive space by dragging the divider below (Ubuntu is on the right):"
[11:03] <pjotr> What do you think?
[11:04] <xnox> pjotr: I don't deal with desing / user experience =))) Please read ubiquity design specification. http://goo.gl/Kokw5 And if you feel that needs changing, please open a separate bug with 'needs-design' tag.
[11:07] <pjotr> xnox: OK.... Do you have a name for me, of a developer who I can contact on that?
[11:08] <xnox> mpt is the current maintainer of the ubiquity design
[11:09] <mpt> pjotr, changing a string would break translations, and it is very late in the release cycle.
[11:09] <mpt> to do that.
[11:10] <pjotr> mpt: I know, I'm a member of the Dutch translation team myself... :-)
[11:10] <pjotr> nevertheless, I think this is pretty important
[11:11] <pjotr> creates confusion for beginners
[11:11] <mpt> yes, it is
[11:12] <pjotr> I can guarantee a full Dutch translation if the text string would be changed.... :P
[11:13] <mpt> xnox, I've found that it's unhelpful for bugs to be assigned to teams, because it gives the illusion of responsibility. Does the Canonical Foundations Team have a process for allocating bugs like 947107?
[11:14] <ogra_> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1230214/ how about something like that ?
[11:15] <ogra_> (not sure if we need to match other exotic extended partitions)
[11:15] <cjwatson> mpt: No
[11:15] <cjwatson> ogra_: egrep -q '^ID_PART_ENTRY_TYPE=0x(5|f|85)'
[11:15] <cjwatson> to match libparted
[11:15] <ogra_> ok
[11:15] <cjwatson> and how about 'if $match && ! device_info ...'
[11:16] <ogra_> moving it into the outer "if" ?
[11:16] <ogra_> k
[11:17] <cjwatson> yeah, I think
[11:22] <xnox> bug 947107
[11:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 947107 in ubiquity "No partition labels in the resize widgets" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947107
[11:23] <xnox> mpt: well, it is part of the quantal release tracking bugs and it's as best as it gets. I did spend time on it, but it's not fixed yet.... =/
[14:04] <cjwatson> Can anyone else reproduce bug 1049215?  It's a bit of a mystery to me, but it keeps showing up in ISO testing.
[14:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049215 in ubiquity "ubiquity-bluetooth-agent crashed with ImportError in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/__init__.py: could not import gobject (error was: EOFError('EOF read where not expected',))" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049215
[14:05] <xnox> cjwatson: hmm... I guess I should burn the CD and boot with bluetooth dongle....
[14:05] <xnox> cjwatson: will try when I get home and find my bluetooth dongle....
[14:05] <cjwatson> thanks
[14:06] <xnox> assigned to myself, such that I don't forget ;-)
[15:06] <cjwatson> ev: Could you build wubi r271 at some point?  I did a translation update
[15:06] <ev> cjwatson: sure thing
[15:06] <ev> on it now
[15:06] <cjwatson> Ta
[15:07] <cjwatson> The Tibetan translators have been pretty keen
[15:07] <ev> cjwatson: I've pointed Peter M your way for a few netboot and installation guide questions
[15:07] <ev> just a heads up
[15:07] <cjwatson> OK
[15:50] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm bug 1032874
[15:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032874 in linux "Mount command on extended partition hangs forever during install" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032874
[15:51] <ogra_> seems i'm not the only one :(
[15:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: Yeah, I think I've seen similar things before
[15:54] <cjwatson> But it's still right for the installer to avoid this anyway
[15:54] <cjwatson> Oh, and in fact your fix will avoid the bug as stated
[15:54] <ogra_> indeed
[15:54] <cjwatson> I'll follow up to say that
[15:55] <ogra_> but its disappointing to see it hasnt been actively researched ... and just magically disappeared
[15:55] <ogra_> i.e. its likely something we miss on omap4 currently
[15:55] <xnox> cjwatson: how stable is the output of os-prober w.r.t. probing old releases? I'm debugging the re.subst in ubiquity and it seems wrong to me.
[15:56] <cjwatson> xnox: The general syntax should be stable; exact names maybe less so
[15:56] <cjwatson> Although I didn't think it was particularly unstable
[15:56] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. thanks.
[15:57] <xnox> cjwatson: I am running it against a few of my chroots and they are ok. Will get lucid chroot up, just in case it doesn't have what I want.
[16:08] <ev> cjwatson: new wubi is in place
[16:08] <cjwatson> thanks


[05:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[05:28] <ubot5`> firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional.  In component main, is important. Version 1.412 (bionic), package size 2 kB, installed size 47 kB
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how that looks like in setup
[07:54] <ducasse> look at the dependencies to see what it pulls in
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: whats the command again
[08:00] <ducasse> apt show ubuntu-minimal
[08:01] <ducasse> look at depends: and recommends: etc
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> https://hastebin.com/bifuzofawu.coffeescript
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> uh oh pika troll is back
[08:34] <lordievader> Was the ubuntu-minimal not more or less the server edition?
[08:34] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps a little less.
[08:37] <ducasse> the -server metapackage drags in mdadm, lvm, iscsi etc
[08:41] <lordievader> Ah, the good stuff 😁
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: bionic added it to desktop
[08:50] <lordievader> That makes sense. Why do thing twice?
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah its a nice idea
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> cool, they added my trigger
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> !insights
[08:56] <ubot5`> Canonical and its employees have written a number of articles on various Ubuntu-related topics, these can be found here: http://insights.ubuntu.com/  For blogs from the Ubuntu Community, see !planet
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> worktime laterz
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:30] <JimBuntu> gm BluesKaj
[10:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[10:31] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj , JimBuntu
[10:31] <lordievader> How are you guys doing?
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[10:32] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> BTW, Happy Pi Day to all !
[11:18] <jink> :)
[11:19] <BluesKaj> took me a while but i found it...  Ⲡ
[11:20] <jink> My IRC font doesn't render it.  It's a pi?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> yeah, had to install KCharSelect
[11:22] <BluesKaj> then i found it in European Scripts - Coptic
[11:24] <BluesKaj> 😎\
[12:48] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[12:49] <JimBuntu> Hey there pauljw
[12:49] <pauljw> hi JimBuntu :)
[12:49] <ducasse> hi pauljw - all well? :)
[12:50] <pauljw> hey ducasse, yeah, good here, you?
[12:50] <ducasse> all good, thanks :)
[12:51] <pauljw> :)
[13:12] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw, ducasse
[13:14] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[13:34] <BluesKaj> and happy Pi Day, btw :-)  .. Ⲡ
[13:35] <pauljw> heheh... same to you!
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: you play cricket?
[21:39] <TJ-> Yes :)
[21:39] <nacc> TJ-: nice!


[03:28] <tintedwindows> help
[03:30] <OerHeks> LoLz how can we help to discuss?
[03:31]  * daftykins thinks someone found the wrong door
[03:34] <OerHeks> discussing is not that easy
[03:35] <OerHeks> all the mistakes i have done twice
[03:37] <daftykins> :D
[03:55] <tintedwindows> no i accidently forgot the /
[03:55] <tintedwindows> i wanted to figure out the commands to sign in
[03:56] <tintedwindows> ant-man
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:35] <TJ-> Morning ... feels like afternoon to me!
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:46] <OerHeks> Hi lotus :-)
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: hello mate,
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> 30+ degrees here
[14:47] <OerHeks> Just a nice 26'C here, friday 37.. but not on the coast where i am living.
[14:48] <OerHeks> long long row of cars toward the beach
[14:49] <OerHeks> and those silly tourists follow the signs, not the maps to find the fastest road :-D
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: on wich coast do you live?
[14:49] <OerHeks> after 19:00 the row switches to return-home
[14:49] <OerHeks> Haarlem, 3 km from zandvoort
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> we just cam back from sluis here
[14:50] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[14:50] <OerHeks> tomorrow it get worse, Drabber feels the sun on the pavement, so i have to choose carefully my path in the shadows
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hello mate
[14:50] <OerHeks> hi lordievader :-)
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> 34+ is too much for us
[14:51] <lordievader> Hey OerHeks
[14:51] <lordievader> How are the two of you doing?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> great and sunny
[14:51] <OerHeks> great, 3 dutchies talking english in a channel :-D
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:51] <lordievader> The way it should be :P
[14:52] <OerHeks> It is true, my english gets better every week.
[14:53] <lordievader> :)
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> supporting ubuntu is good for everything :p
[14:53] <lordievader> Does anyone of you have experience with festival and hts voices?
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> whats hts?
[14:53] <OerHeks> A little, tried it a few years back.
[14:54] <lordievader> I got pocketsphinx working but now I want my pc to talk back to me.
[14:54] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: An speech engine.
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> like dragon naturaly speaking?
[14:54] <lordievader> Err, I guess.
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: there is an ubuntu distro specialized for blind users, maybe some usefull packages on there?
[14:56] <lordievader> Problem is Ubuntu is usually behind with their packages.
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> there has been an article about that
[14:58] <lordievader> This is the error I'm getting: Error: HTS_Model_load_pdf: Failed to load header of pdfs.
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/will-i-have-the-latest-software-versions-in-ubuntu-with-snappy-485490.shtml
[14:59] <lordievader> Ah: "References to this error on the hts-users list suggest it's because the HTS API changed and that, where the old festival accepted 2.1 voices, the new version only accepts 2.1.1 voices."
[14:59] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Snappy is still futurework, right?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah, but the plan is to replace apt-get
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> no more .debs oO
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !info festival
[15:01] <lordievader> I have 2.1 and 2.4.
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: there's a bug about it here for debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589614
[15:04] <lordievader> Yeah, see the comment above ;)
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lol, is that normal the bot shows debian bugs also?
[15:05] <lordievader> It can also show kde bugs ;)
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> can this help lordievader http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=751169&page=12
[15:08] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: I found flite, which is quite okay.
[15:08] <lordievader> But thanks anyways.
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ok :p
[15:08] <Johnny_Linux> hehe
[15:08] <Johnny_Linux> woohoo
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> hi mate
[15:09] <Johnny_Linux> whats shakin
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> oh its hot outside here
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> 30+ degrees
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> and the whole week will be summer temps
[15:09] <Johnny_Linux> same here, working on the house, remodeling, so, im in&out
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: peeking on irc while your working eh...
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> thats the best! :p
[15:10] <Johnny_Linux> my wife is in the bathroom
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> ok put your cam on :p
[15:10] <Johnny_Linux> woohoo
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:10] <Johnny_Linux> ok, im being paged, bbl
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> cheers
[15:21] <lordievader> Whee, I can ask the program for the time and it will speak it :D
[15:22] <lordievader> Pretty nifty :)
[15:22] <OerHeks> you've got meel!
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:23] <lordievader> I could do that XD
[15:23] <lordievader> It also control the music :D
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: where do you live in the world?
[17:23] <Johnny_Linux> fla usa
[17:23] <Johnny_Linux> old fart town
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> bruges, belgium here
[17:23] <Johnny_Linux> i seen that .be
[17:24] <Johnny_Linux> how is it there
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> good chocolats, belgian beer, wafles and lace :p
[17:24] <Johnny_Linux> mmm beeer
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:24] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> -nut
[17:25] <Johnny_Linux> lol youve got meeel
[17:25] <Johnny_Linux> i tried gspeak myself
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: is it any good?
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> !info gspeak
[17:25] <Johnny_Linux> i had to install hukt un fonix for keybords
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> !info hukt
[17:26] <Johnny_Linux> no, it sukd
[17:26] <Johnny_Linux> sucks
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> right
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: wich distro are you on?
[17:26] <Johnny_Linux> there are other ways, i just havent time now, i run a electronics repair biz home and am swamped
[17:27] <Johnny_Linux> 12.04
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> 14.04 64bit here
[17:27] <Johnny_Linux> tv/dvd/ham and police radio
[17:27] <Johnny_Linux> i have it on usb for install
[17:27] <Johnny_Linux> im a power user also
[17:28] <Johnny_Linux> asus overclocker
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: cool hardware tips will come in handy for me later
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: im preparing to start an ubuntu shop in my country
[17:28] <Johnny_Linux> asus all the way, long and strong boards, gigabyte is a runner up but have weak north bridges
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: laptops,desktops,tablets and phones all with ubuntu + ssd
[17:29] <Johnny_Linux> very nice
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: you think the masses will be ready for it?
[17:29] <Johnny_Linux> i have mentally ill people using ubuntu, i made everything a mouse click, they love it
[17:30] <Johnny_Linux> some times i use debian
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: same story here, my 75 y old father cant break his trusty box
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> before, i had to come every week to fix windows
[17:30] <Johnny_Linux> excellent
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> and with ssd its bloody fast
[17:31] <Johnny_Linux> windoze really does suck
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> thats what ppl want right
[17:31] <Johnny_Linux> rly
[17:31] <Johnny_Linux> i think the ubunto phone will go over big when they get it together, a phone/pc is really ideal
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: you mean that convergence phone?
[17:32] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> you always wear a pc :p
[17:32] <Johnny_Linux> lol yep
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> well for security ubuntu touch is already very nice
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> im using it on my nexus7
[17:32] <Johnny_Linux> apple and windoze have $ signs attatched to every mouse click
[17:33] <Johnny_Linux> nice
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah its a paying world isnt it
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> thats where i wanna make the difference
[17:33] <Johnny_Linux> invisible economy
[17:33] <Johnny_Linux> same here
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> sell cheaper boxes without Os and install ubuntu free on it
[17:33] <Johnny_Linux> exactly
[17:33] <Johnny_Linux> i do it part time
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> +longer lifetime use with ssd
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> me too
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: how many boxes would you have installed trusty on yet?
[17:34] <Johnny_Linux> i stay away from wd, they should be sued
[17:34] <Johnny_Linux> maybe 5
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah western digital many data loss
[17:35] <Johnny_Linux> same here, bought 7 in a row, all went bad in 6 months, and they dont stand behind them
[17:35] <Johnny_Linux> new egg
[17:35] <grout> dang
[17:35] <Johnny_Linux> i quit those folks too
[17:35] <Johnny_Linux> i got the best service from amazon so far
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> i had those WD books
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> all bad also
[17:36] <Johnny_Linux> yeah , seems they are doing it on purpose for some reason
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> comercial trick lol
[17:36] <Johnny_Linux> i bought a couple seagates and they are work horses
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> release bad hardware
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> true
[17:36] <Johnny_Linux> yeah
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> im addicted to samsung ssd's now
[17:37] <Johnny_Linux> samsung makes good stuff, back when i was doing vhs repair, samsung and jvc were the best
[17:37] <Johnny_Linux> i just bought a samsung 40 inch tv
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> got one also
[17:39] <Johnny_Linux> my buddy has a thumb drive, made by G, and it gets every tv channel on the planet, free, soon as i get it up and running, ill fill you in on it
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxE2X13KBcA
[17:40] <Johnny_Linux> im not sure on how much bandwidth it uses, so, ill be interested to see
[17:40]  * Johnny_Linux looks
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> talked to a server guys once, he told me he hammered samsung ssd pro 24/7 and never had 1 failure yet
[17:41] <Johnny_Linux> nice
[17:41] <Johnny_Linux> how many writes does it get
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> 550mb/sec read/write i think
[17:42] <Johnny_Linux> dog gone
[17:42] <grout> yea they are crazy fast
[17:42] <Johnny_Linux> good ram
[17:43] <grout> i have one in my laptop
[17:43] <grout> ubuntu boots in seconds
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> grout: wich model, evo or pro
[17:44] <grout> its a pro
[17:44] <grout> 256 gig
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-512GB-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7KE512BW/dp/B00LF10KTO/ref=lp_10432889011_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1435686205&sr=1-1
[17:44] <grout> can remember the exact model number
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> grout: nice mate, you should make a youtube :p
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> grout: wich ubuntu on it?
[17:44] <grout> 15.04 on that one
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:44] <Johnny_Linux> thats not bad price for 500g
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> i prefer 120 or 256 cheaper, and fast as rocket also
[17:45] <Johnny_Linux> i could go for a 250
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> and combine a second seagate 2tb for data storage
[17:46] <grout> yea i put a 256 gig ssd and a 500 gig 7200 rpm drive in mt laptop
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: we really reccomend with ubuntu :p
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> grout: nice
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> grout: did you install preload
[17:46] <Johnny_Linux> i use many os's, but my main is ubuntu and debian
[17:47] <Johnny_Linux> sabayon
[17:47] <grout> this laptop was a preload
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> ive tested sabayon in the past
[17:47] <Johnny_Linux> its broke most of the time
[17:47] <grout> but i run ubuntu 14.04 on all my servers
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | grout
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> fastn up things on ssd also :p
[17:47] <grout> ah
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: yeah, ubuntu is very nice for updating an running stable n such
[17:48] <Johnny_Linux> agreed
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> so perfect for my store :p
[17:49] <Johnny_Linux> exactly
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> but i only have one prob, gaming isnt very high end on linux
[17:49] <Johnny_Linux> gonna check out kernel 4.2 when it is done
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: yea readed that article of linus
[17:50] <Johnny_Linux> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-256GB-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7KE256BW/dp/B00LMXBOP4/ref=sr_1_18/187-0631412-1842243?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1435686372&sr=1-18&keywords=Internal+SSD
[17:50] <Johnny_Linux> cheap enough
[17:50] <Johnny_Linux> 137
[17:51] <Johnny_Linux> my first hd was a ps2 60 meg, it sounded like the space shuttle
[17:52] <Johnny_Linux> ok, back to work, ill be back later, be good
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> nice!
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/linux-kernel-4-2-may-end-up-being-the-biggest-release-says-linus-torvalds-485451.shtml
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> when you get back
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: good evening mate
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje, what's up ?
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> all fine here, high temps in our country
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> 30+
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ok, 27 and high humidity here
[18:04] <BluesKaj>  the A/C is set at dehumidify, uses less power but stull makes it feel cooler
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> cool :p
[18:05] <BluesKaj> err still
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: good evening mate
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: greetings sir
[19:22] <Bashing-om> \o lotuspsychje ; Shift change ?
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> sure mate
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> im about to watch movie
  the A/C is set at dehumidify, uses less power but stull makes it feel cooler
[19:23] <JanC> also makes you dehydrate faster...
[19:23]  * lotuspsychje slides a beer to JanC
[19:23] <Bashing-om> I just comming on, Hoz it been ? Later I got chores I need to attend to .
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> fine fine but ttyl
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> you take it over from here :p
[19:24] <Bashing-om> Big pair of shoes to put on there .
[20:06] <Hobbet1> 1


[01:29] <tashs> hey..............anyone up?
[01:43] <IdleOne> kinda
[01:43] <tashs> kinda means you should be asleep
[01:44] <IdleOne> not necessarily, it could mean i just woke up not long ago and still getting my bearings
[01:45] <tashs> ok..ok...this is true


[14:33] <cpaelzer> #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status
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[14:33] <cpaelzer> most of us are on a sprint
[14:33] <cpaelzer> so there will be no "normal" meeting / agenda today
[14:34] <cpaelzer> but if there is anything urgent, please speak up
[14:55] <cpaelzer> nothing in component mismatches nor in new bugs
[14:55] <cpaelzer> no comment here
[14:55] <cpaelzer> the local meeting worked great
[14:56] <cpaelzer> back next week with proper attention
[14:56] <cpaelzer> thank you all reading this log
[14:57] <cpaelzer> ok, saying goodbye
[14:57] <cpaelzer> #endmeeting
[14:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 14:57:31 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-05-02-14.33.moin.txt