[00:00] <Kajros> Doing integrity check on another computer real quick
[00:03] <u-foka> mzz, yes, i did exactly that as i say above, and when I open file from totem it works!
[00:06] <vistakiller> where is the release note for rc ubuntu?
[00:06] <vistakiller> anyone have a link?
[00:07] <Kajros> The integrity check won't run correctly so I'm guessing need to try to redo the live usb
[00:09] <habanany> vistakiller   http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[00:09] <vistakiller> thanks :D
[00:10] <vistakiller> i want for the ubuntu-gr site for the news
[00:12] <robotti^> habanany: how about windows 7 killer?
[00:12] <u-foka> windows7killer     http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:12] <u-foka> :D:D
[00:12] <habanany> vistakiller  this is all i found http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[00:12] <n00dle> Has anyone got the network manager PPTP plugin to work?
[00:13] <vistakiller> i have found only this
[00:13] <vistakiller> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[00:13] <vistakiller> but this is for the bugs
[00:13] <vistakiller> but i found for xubuntu and kubuntu
[00:14] <Bacon> If I install the beta on my computer will I be able to upgrade it to the final when it comes out?
[00:15] <durt> Bacon, yes
[00:16] <Bacon> Is there still problem with the intel moble chipset
[00:16] <Jordan_U> Bacon: Yes
[00:17] <Bacon> Will this be resolved in time for the final?
[00:17] <n00dle> brb...
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Bacon: No, Intel will not support 9.10 and the driver is proprietary so there is nothing Ubuntu devs can do :(
[00:18] <Jordan_U> Bacon: That is, only the Poulsbo driver
[00:19] <Bacon> So wait then why was there not a problem with it in 9.04
[00:21] <Jordan_U> Bacon: Because Intel supports Poulsbo for 9.04, but they won't update the driver to work with the new Xorg or Kernel in 9.10
[00:22] <Bacon> Well that's bad news :(
[00:23] <edwindoebler> hi, i can't login to a fresh 9.10 install on a virtualbox VM
[00:23] <edwindoebler> it says "authentication failed"
[00:23] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: You are sure you typed the password correctly?
[00:24] <edwindoebler> yeah, this is about the 3rd try
[00:24] <edwindoebler> i usually use gentoo, but i'm giving ubuntu a try
[00:24] <n00dle> Nevermind, I did get it working. *Phew!*
[00:24] <u-foka> edwindoebler, maybe keyboard layout difference between your live session at installation and your final system?
[00:25] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Try typing your username or anything else that will let you see what characters are actually being entered
[00:25] <u-foka> you can reset your password
[00:25] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: input seemed to be fine, i selected "other" then typed my user in
[00:25] <u-foka> edwindoebler, pm my if you need help to do it
[00:26] <edwindoebler> u-foka: i booted the install disk into repair mode, and i've got a term.  on one of the other trys (on 9.04) i reset the pw from rescue mode and it didn't help
[00:26] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Can you log in at a tty? ( ctrl+alt+F1 )
[00:27] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: if i do ctrl+alt+f1 it sends me to my gentoo's tty1 (virtualbox running in my normal gentoo install)
[00:27] <edwindoebler> i don't know how to make virtualbox send a ctrl+alt+f1
[00:27] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Try booting in single user mode then using "su" to test authentication
[00:28] <MightyTweek> edwindoebler: I think host+F1 should work (i.e. right ctrl-F1)
[00:28] <edwindoebler> O
[00:28] <edwindoebler> whoops
[00:29] <edwindoebler> I'll give both a shot
[00:29] <muszek> hi... I'm about to make a clean install of karmic on my lappy (it's been a few years and I've accumulated some mess... plus I want ext4).  I want to backup an entire filesystem to my home server (running ubuntu as well).  can somene please recommend a solution?  right now I'm thinking of simply copying files over ftp...
[00:30] <u-foka> edwindoebler, right ctrl+f1-7 works inside virtualbox for my :)
[00:30] <Jordan_U> muszek: Do you want a bootable image or just your documents?
[00:31] <ror> don't forget conf files too!
[00:31] <muszek> Jordan_U: most of all I want to back up all files (stuff from /home, /var, /etc and everything else just to be safe).
[00:31] <rob0> Lowest overhead in network terms, pipe tar -c to nc and nc on the listening end
[00:32] <edwindoebler> btw, i'm really liking full-disk encryption and lvm support
[00:32] <edwindoebler> that was a PITA to set up in gentoo
[00:33] <ror> hmm, since upgrading, my firefox "drop down url bar" no longer drops down!
[00:33] <ror> it used to display recently access favourites
[00:34] <muszek> rob0: were you talking to me?
[00:36] <edwindoebler> okay well host+f* works
[00:36] <bp0> i tried to create a bootable usb with the desktop amd64 image and unetbootin, but it fails to boot
[00:37] <bp0> what could be the problem
[00:37] <bp0> the beta image works fine
[00:38] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: i can't get a single user mode prompt, nothing shows up at the grub screen, just times out and boots
[00:38] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Hold shift during boot
[00:39] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: okay, trying
[00:40] <edwindoebler> and i've trying logging in at a tty, and i still get 'login incorrect'
[00:40] <u-foka> edwindoebler, grub now shows the menu if you hold down the shift key in boot time
[00:40] <ror> ubuntu 9.10 seems way way faster than 9.04, is there any particular reason for this?
[00:41] <wes32> is the ppa: link for software sources new to 9.10 or have I not been noticing it for years?
[00:41] <wes32> ror: a special focus was made on bootup and bootdown speeds, in combination with a new grub and ext4
[00:41] <wes32> but without the broken English ^
[00:42] <ror> it's more the general runnign speed, firefox loading etc I'm finding fast
[00:42] <ror> perhaps it's just forced me to a different nvidia module or something?
[00:42] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Does your /etc/shadow look OK?
[00:42] <wes32> could be a lot of things, but a new nvidia driver tends to help as well
[00:43] <wes32> I don't know whether 9.04 was particularly slow for you or 9.10 is just that little bit faster, as 9.04 wasn't the slowest of operating systems either
[00:43] <wes32> I do notice the speed bump as well, though
[00:43] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: i'm booting into rescue mode now
[00:43] <bjsnider> often going back to default themes and desktop settings makes things fastger
[00:43] <edwindoebler> @ recovery menu, should i select root?
[00:43] <wes32> I'd blame fragmentation of the hard drive, but we all know that'd be silly ;)
[00:44] <konam> mmm
[00:45] <konam> i've been trying to install karmic since yesterday on my pretty standard pc where I've always been able to install ubuntu, with karmic i can't
[00:45] <Jordan_U> konam: What happens when you try to install?
[00:45] <wes32> konam: can you be more specific?
[00:45] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Yes
[00:46] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: alright, i ran passwd [usr] ... trying to log in now
[00:46] <konam> tried the live version and alternate, the live version is broken, metacity ( or whatever) crashes all the time and the installer won't even show up
[00:46] <Jordan_U> konam: Have you tried the RC?
[00:46] <wes32> konam: this is the beta version, right?
[00:46] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: yeah, that didn't work. getting back to the root prompt now.
[00:46] <konam> yeah, it's the beta, i couldn't find the RC yesterday
[00:46] <ror> if I had error messages during the upgrade process, which package should I list it under?
[00:47] <konam> i can install the alternate and the grub takes a few seconds to show up ad it won't boot up
[00:48] <Jordan_U> konam: Can you try the RC, and please be more specific ( when it "won't boot up" does it freeze, reboot, show an error message? )
[00:49] <konam> ok, i will try the RC, that was the one that i was waiting for
[00:49] <konam> but it's the norm for the new grub to take a few seconds before showing up?
[00:50] <konam> also, grub didn't show the option to choose windows...
[00:50] <konam> even though it was recognized during installation
[00:50] <konam> :|
[00:57] <edwindoebler> i'm still lost.  back at the root prompt, what else should i do?
[00:57] <ror> scroll mouse wheel no longer changes desktop 'viewport' deliberate change or just a config change I've missed?
[00:58] <u-foka> edwindoebler, can you su <username> from the root prompt?
[00:59] <cwillu> ror, misfeature (imo) that's been fixed recently :)
[00:59] <sdg> I'm going to attempt to boot Karmic from a digital camera.
[00:59] <edwindoebler> yes, prompt changes to $
[00:59] <sdg> That's if I ever manage to get the ISO burnt.
[00:59] <u-foka> that isn't seems good
[00:59] <sdg> The USB startup disk creator keeps stalling.
[00:59] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Have you checked that your /etc/shadow looks right?
[00:59] <u-foka> you should have a simlar prompt that root has
[01:00] <wes32> ohhhhh, add-apt-repository
[01:00] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: it seems to be similar to my gentoo install -- my username has a bunch of characters after :
[01:01] <Cynthia> edwindoebler: those characters are your current directory
[01:01] <wes32> that's sexy :)
[01:01] <ror> cwillu, ok cool. Actually it was kinda annoying because it would often trigger when you were "in" other applications
[01:01] <ror> especially if you were near edge of screen
[01:01] <ror> I flick my scroll wheel oftne out of habit, not actually wanting to use the second viewport
[01:01] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Do those characters start with $6$ ?
[01:02] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: yes
[01:02] <wes32> i'm surprised I had not read anything about add-apt-repository yet, it's quite handy :)
[01:04] <bp0> has anyone succeeded in building a bootable usb with the new amd64 image and unbootin?
[01:04] <bp0> *unetbootin
[01:07] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Set your password to something simple like "password" and check that what ends up in /etc/shadow matches the output from: perl -e 'print crypt( "password", '\''$6$salt'\'' );')
[01:08] <McShane> If I'm going from 9.04 to 9.10, would I be better off wiping my current root partition and install a new one with the boot CD, as opposed to doing an in-place upgrade?
[01:08] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: sorry, minus that last ')' so: perl -e 'print crypt( "password", '\''$6$salt'\'' );'
[01:08] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: I need to leave now but I'll be back in a few hours if you have any questions
[01:10] <Jordan_U> ~
[01:11] <edwindoebler> thanks
[01:12] <mzz> wes32: same here, although half or so of the repositories I was previously adding were for newer versions than available in jaunty, so it turns out I don't really use it much yet :)
[01:15] <Jordan_U> edwindoebler: Another thing to consider is that if vbox is setting the hardware clock wrong your password may be expiring immediately / authentication failing because the date is not sane
[01:16] <u-foka> Jordan_U, does ubuntu has password expiring enabled by default??
[01:17] <menzza> Hello ! Im searching for a laptop/notebook with more power than those acer aspire machines etc...and it should work great with linux
[01:17] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: typing 'date' shows the correct time
[01:18] <BluesKaj> menzza, I have one of those acers, karmic works great on it
[01:19] <BluesKaj> aamof , mine's an elcheapo extensa acer
[01:19] <menzza> BluesKaj: with the Atom processor?
[01:20] <BluesKaj> menzza, you know ,I never bothered checking the cpu ,... I originally bought it mainly for travel...both wife and i are retired , and we thought it would be fine email and surfing while on the road in hotels etc
[01:20] <rob0> I'm out of the old-style notebook world. The netbooks are more what I want a portable machine for. But anyway, what you do, check out something you like, then Google it.
[01:21] <menzza> BluesKaj: okey
[01:21] <rob0> If your Google results show someone installing a Linux on it, read up, see what worked and what didn't.
[01:22] <sdg> usb-creator has stalled at 81% :(
[01:24] <sdg> I'll try unetbootin then
[01:25] <BluesKaj> menzza, Intel Pentium dual-core T4200 processor...whatever nickname they have for that cpu
[01:26] <menzza> BluesKaj: yepp
[01:37] <Jordan_U> menzza: http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=28 http://dell.com/ubuntu
[01:44] <eternal_p> evening all...quick question...I am sitting right beside my dual N router...when I connect on G, everything is fine, when I connect on N, I get an IP address but cannot browse/do anything
[01:45] <Heikki123> haha, i made a video of a bug online
[01:45] <Heikki123> lol http://dyn.fi/crash/crash-with-nautilus-and-fileroller.html
[01:47] <lucas_> how can i stop ubuntu turnin my laptop sound card on and off every 5 seconds?
[01:49] <lucas_> i can understand that developers what ubuntu to use less battery but for some laptops like mine, do a stupid sound everytime the sound card turns on back again... its really enoyin
[01:49] <tonyyarusso> Are contacts shared between Empathy and Evolution in Karmic?
[01:51] <stpere> lucas_: sec
[01:52] <lucas_> k thanks stpere
[01:52] <stpere> what sound card do you have?
[01:52] <stpere> HDA?
[01:52] <lucas_> stpere: yes
[01:55] <SpacePigeon> hi
[01:56] <SpacePigeon> my update-manager froze when I clicked Upgrade (to Karmic Beta)
[01:56] <stpere> lucas_: write 0 in /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save
[01:56] <stpere> echo 0 > /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save
[01:56] <sdg> lucas_: Play music.
[01:56] <stpere> yes
[01:56] <sdg> lucas_: That's my solution.
[01:57] <stpere> sdg: that's cheating :)
[01:57] <lucas_> stpere: im tryin it ill come back
[01:57] <stpere> why come back?
[01:57] <stpere> I mean, why leaving? :)
[01:57] <stpere> lol
[01:58] <SpacePigeon> is this frequent?
[01:58] <stpere> SpacePigeon: I suppose you have applied every update to your current release?
[01:58] <SpacePigeon> stpere, yeah, the freezing ceased now, thanks
[01:58] <Deathvalley122> hmm
[01:59] <SpacePigeon> I guess it was downloading the agreement
[01:59] <Deathvalley122> I can't get the usb to detect my devices in vbox :(
[02:00] <lucas_> didny work... ive wrote 0 and it rewrite it 10
[02:01] <lucas_> Deathvalley122: try vbox repositories
[02:01] <Deathvalley122> erm
[02:01] <Deathvalley122> lol
[02:02] <SpacePigeon> its stuck again.. lord
[02:02] <Deathvalley122> I am on the latest version
[02:02] <stpere> lucas_: it's set back at every boot
[02:02] <stpere> you need to place it somewhere in your boot script
[02:02] <stpere> it'S a virtual file
[02:02] <lucas_> stpere: how do i do that?
[02:03] <stpere> place that command in /etc/rc.local
[02:03] <lucas_> Deathvalley122: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads ubuntu comes with vbox ose, thats a free version not the "real" one
[02:03] <stpere> before the exit 0
[02:03] <lucas_> stpere: smart guy, how was it? echo 0 ...
[02:03] <stpere> echo 0 > /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save
[02:03] <Deathvalley122> lol lucas_ ... I am not on ose
[02:04] <lucas_> Deathvalley122: did u use virtual box repositories?
[02:04] <Barridus> my grub2 doesn't autolaunch ubuntu, it just sits and waits for my direction.  anyone know about how to resolve that?  i knew how to in the old grub, but this one is complicated
[02:04] <Heikki123> is it a good or a bad thing to make videos out of bugs? like this other one http://dyn.fi/crash/icons-disappearing-nautilus.html
[02:05] <Heikki123> and post them to launchpad
[02:05] <lucas_> Barridus: sudo grub-update && sudo grub-install /dev/sda?
[02:07] <Barridus> that will add a countdown thingy?
[02:07] <Barridus> lucas_ ^
[02:08] <ror> since upgrading I can't play any wmv files, both totem and vlc complain. I have video-codecs-nonfree etc installed :\
[02:08] <lucas_> Barridus: u can go back to the previous version of grub... sudo apt-get install grub -y && sudo grub-update && sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[02:08] <sblunix> Hey guys, quick question (not an actual problem)
[02:09] <Barridus> lucas_ i'm ok with trying to modify the new grub, i'd rather keep the software "stock"
[02:09] <lucas_> Barridus: then i have no idea...
[02:09] <sblunix> I had Ubuntu Karmic Beta installed, I just ran update manager and it did some updates, would those updates sortof "Upgrade" me to Karmic RC?
[02:09] <Deathvalley122> no lucas_ I installed it with a deb file I am the version of 3.0.8 r53138
[02:09] <stpere> sblunix: yup
[02:09] <Barridus> i don't know enough about this to fill out a bug report
[02:09] <stpere> sblunix: no need to reinstall
[02:10] <lucas_> Deathvalley122: man grub2
[02:10] <sblunix> stpere: alrighty, cool, ty, and I'll update to Karmic When it's officially released
[02:10] <sblunix> stpere: I mean I won't need to reinstall when it's officially released
[02:10] <stpere> yes
[02:10] <HoopyCat> sblunix:  keep doing updates regularly, and it'll "automagically" become 9.10 when it's released
[02:11] <lucas_> sblunix: nope... if u install update ur ubuntu will be up to date...
[02:11] <ror> ah it's prolly related to the upgrade disabling medibuntu sources, I'll re-do that :)
[02:11] <Heikki123> =)
[02:11] <sblunix> Yay :D I love when Ubuntu does things automagically for me
[02:12] <Barridus> karmic is pretty rad, imo
[02:12] <Deathvalley122> lol
[02:12] <Deathvalley122> I wouldn't know
[02:12] <Deathvalley122> yet
[02:12] <stpere> Barridus: get off my lawn kid :)
[02:13] <stpere> kids these days with all those expressions :)
[02:13] <HoopyCat> sblunix:  (techie answer: as far as updates go, the subsystem that handles that knows versions by the names, and all it (and the repository) knows is "jaunty", "karmic", etc.  alpha vs. beta vs. release is merely a state of mind.  :-)
[02:14] <sblunix> HoopyCat: Ok sweet, and my version names are all karmic, so, tis all good for me...
[02:14] <Barridus> heh kid?  XD
[02:15] <Barridus> i'll learn ya XD
[02:15] <Barridus> ok i digress, soz
[02:15] <ror> sweeeet! the volume slider went back to veritical:D
[02:15] <stpere> Barridus: kidding of course
[02:15] <ror> life is good again
[02:17] <Barridus> me too
[02:23] <ubox> how come the screen brightness is sometimes set really low when i resume
[02:33] <ransom> has anyone else had problems with the getting the correct icon set to load in RC?
[02:33] <ubox> rc?
[02:33] <ransom> release candidate
[02:35] <rob0> radio-controlled
[02:36] <Jon5000> Anyone on here know much about citrix xenapp receiver?
[02:37] <bp0> anyone watching nbc right now? good mac commercials about windows 7....
[02:38] <bp0> funny
[02:38] <Jon5000> Also, what's the lowdown on the difference btwn beta and rc?  In other words should I move from beta to rc or just wait for the release?
[02:39] <McShane> the difference is just a matter of updated packages. If you've updated your beta in the past few days, you're already running the release candidate.
[02:40] <bp0> "release candidate" means that this is the release set unless there are major problems
[02:40] <bp0> *supposed to mean, anyway
[02:40] <Jon5000> Got it. Thx. Any familiarity with citrix?
[02:40] <HoopyCat> Jon5000:  if you're on karmic (and running updates regularly), you're on the "latest", whether alpha, beta, release candidate, release, point release, etc :-)
[02:49] <cmwslw> uh oh, this sounds bad
[02:50] <cmwslw> i was upgrading to the karmic rc, and while upgrading the kernel, it asked me if i wanted to generate a menu.lst
[02:50] <cmwslw> i said no, since i have grub2
[02:50] <darthanubis> you answered wrong as you already no
[02:50] <darthanubis> the answer is yes to most upgrade questions
[02:50] <cmwslw> now it thinks the kernel package is unconfigured and can't continue
[02:51] <cmwslw> actually, i clicked the popup and it asked me that question again
[02:52] <Deathvalley122> can someone help me with this issue
[02:52] <cmwslw> i put in yes and now it seems to be continuing
[02:52] <Deathvalley122> Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_RW_AW_Q170A".
[02:52] <lucas_> cmwslw: sudo update-grub2 && sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[02:52] <Deathvalley122> iven device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_model_DVD_RW_AW_Q170A" is not a volume or drive.
[02:52] <cmwslw> lucas_: i already have grub2
[02:52] <Deathvalley122> is there a way to fix that?
[02:53] <lucas_> cmwslw: i know but u dont have menu.lst
[02:53] <lucas_> cmwslw: yes
[02:54] <cmwslw> lucas_ i'm in terminal right now and my old menu.lst is still there from grub1
[02:55] <cmwslw> Upgrade complete
[02:55] <cmwslw> The upgrade is completed but there were errors during the upgrade process.
[02:56] <lucas_> cmwslw: sudo grub-setup
[02:56] <cmwslw> grub-setup: command not found
[02:57] <cmwslw> is that a grub1 command, or is it just my system being messed up (it's barely functioning since all the packages have been changed)
[02:58] <drs305> Try grub-install /dev/sdX
[02:58] <lucas_> cmwslw: "sudo" grub-setup
[02:59] <cmwslw> lucas_: what are you talking about? I already put that
[03:00] <lucas_> cmwslw: it should be easy, sudo update-grub and then install grub sudo grub-install /dev/sda these are grub2 commands
[03:00] <cmwslw> lucas_: just to be positive, i should be doing this even though i already have grub2?
[03:01] <lucas_> cmwslw: yup it should work ok... it could ask u if u want to overwrite soemthing just say yes to all
[03:01] <cmwslw> sorry for being paranoid, but i don't want to screw up my system (even though i made an entire drive backup before)
[03:04] <cmwslw> ok, rebooting now. If i don't return, i will my username to lucas_ :)
[03:05] <lucas_> hope hes back
[03:08] <lucas_> mmmmmmmm a computer shoudnt be that slow for rebootin...
[03:08] <lucas_> ill change nick name just in case...
[03:09] <I_was_lucas> hope he doesnt notice it
[03:09] <bp0> i cant make a usb installer with either the 1md64 or the i386 images
[03:09] <bp0> *amd64
[03:09] <I_was_lucas> bp0: sure
[03:09]  * HoopyCat hands out the fake mustaches
[03:09] <bp0> why not?
[03:10] <bp0> what is the problem with it
[03:10] <I_was_lucas> im sayin YES U CAN
[03:10] <HoopyCat> bp0:  what is it doing when it's not working?
[03:10] <eternal_p> hey all...I am trying to upgrade but an getting some unmet dependencies and I am not too sure how to fix...http://pastebin.com/m5e905384
[03:11] <bp0> well i created the bootable usb disk with the unetbootin tool, when it boots it says something like "remove any disks or media and press a key to restart"
[03:11] <I_was_lucas> eternal_p: how about... sudo aptitude install -f?
[03:11] <bp0> the beta image works, but neither of the new RC images
[03:14] <eternal_p> I_was_lucas: nope http://pastebin.com/m7efedf5c
[03:16] <HoopyCat> bp0:  hmm... haven't tried it myself, but might be worth gathering some data for a bug report, especially if you can find a fairly precise spot where it stopped working
[03:17] <bp0> it shows that message immediately, doesn't load grub or the kernel or anything
[03:18] <bp0> and when a key is pressed it just continues to boot normally, there isnt actually a restart
[03:18] <akio> do BugSquad members hang here?
[03:18] <bp0> boot normally means load grub from the main hd instead of the usb one
[03:19] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[03:19] <brian_> i have been running the beta with updates  is there any reason maybe more bug fixes or anything any reason to installl the  new rc
[03:19] <HoopyCat> bp0:  probably means it's not writing the bootloader correctly, but there's "enough there" to convince your bios to try it
[03:19] <JohnFlux> When I upgraded to kubuntu 9.10, the first thing I see _everytime_ I login is a dialog box telling me that Akondi server is not configured
[03:19] <HoopyCat> brian_:  if you're on karmic (and running updates regularly), you're on the "latest", whether alpha, beta, release candidate, release, point release, etc :-)
[03:19] <JohnFlux> this is a really bad first impression
[03:20] <JohnFlux> 1) It doesn't say what Akonadi is
[03:20] <JohnFlux> 2) There's no clue how to fix
[03:20] <Gratz474> hi, from ubuntu 9.04 my intel graphics performance has increased quite a bit
[03:20] <Gratz474> can anyone tell me why?
[03:20] <JohnFlux> 3) It's intimidating - there is tons of technical infromation (something about mysql log file errors??)
[03:20] <akio> Gratz474, natural progression?
[03:21] <akio> gem architecture?
[03:21] <bp0> So is the problem in unetbootin or the ubuntu image?
[03:21] <eternal_p> I_was_lucas: any thoughts?
[03:21] <bp0> @ HoopyCat
[03:21] <Gratz474> akio, are the intel drivers using exa or uxa?
[03:21] <akio> i thought uxa
[03:21] <akio> i can check my log
[03:22] <Gratz474> i dont think it is , i can't find it in the grep
[03:22] <Gratz474> only thing i can find is dri2
[03:22] <HoopyCat> bp0:  myself, i don't know.  i haven't used unetbootin before, and i don't have the equipment to test it here.
[03:22] <akio> (II) UXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[03:23] <cmwslw> i think upstart is slowing my boot time
[03:23] <Gratz474> akio, i did not think dri2 was a replacement for uxa
[03:23] <akio> I think you might be comparing apples to oranges
[03:23] <cmwslw> it takes about 1 min to boot now, but i don't remember what it was with jaunty
[03:25] <HoopyCat> cmwslw:  if i recall correctly, you just upgraded kernels... i believe there's some stuff that gets done on the first boot of a new kernel (but i'm probably talking out of my bum and misremembering stuff)
[03:25] <cmwslw> at first i get the ubuntu logo for about 20-30 seconds, for 1 second it goes back to the console where the boot drive is printed, then the gnome screen , then the progress bar screen, and then finally my desktop
[03:26] <cmwslw> HoopyCat: this is my second boot
[03:26] <HoopyCat> cmwslw:  cool, you're a step ahead of me :-)
[03:26] <Gratz474> akio, hmm i see
[03:27] <Gratz474> akio, is there any way to use exa?
[03:27] <akio> you would have to write an xorg.conf
[03:27] <cmwslw> this is probably due to the fact that i upgraded - i don't have ext4
[03:28] <Gratz474> akio, but does the driver support it
[03:28] <Gratz474> did they take out exa capability in the new intel drivers?
[03:28] <akio> I don't know, it may have been dropped but I doubt it.
[03:28] <Gratz474> i think it has
[03:28] <Gratz474> this is why some people were downgrading i think
[03:29] <cmwslw> the system beep is also messed up, and my speakers pop sometimes when a person says something in irc
[03:29] <akio> my 945gm runs smooth as glass
[03:29] <cmwslw> i think those two issues are related
[03:30] <Gratz474> akio, i am on a 865G its smooth i wouldn't call it glass though
[03:30] <Gratz474> i am always trying to get all the performance i can heh
[03:30] <Gratz474> i think between the 945 and the 865 it was a pretty big difference
[03:33] <Gratz474> time to upgrade anyways, went a full 5 years and it was not great then
[03:33] <Gratz474> heh
[03:34] <akio> hey DanaG, do you know how I can get my bug to be looked at?
[03:36] <joseph_> Why can't I run "vol_id"?
[03:42] <oldude67> hey help..lol, whats the easiest way to install a new monitor. i just went from a 17 inch to a 19 and everything is like huge and there is only 800x600 and larger..:(
[03:42] <brian_> i just ran update manager and it wants to do a partial upgrade and it wants to rremove komqueror plugin searchbar and konqueror plugins
[03:42] <Gratz474> i reallly wonder if i can use exa with intel in 9.10
[03:43] <brian_> should i do the partial
[03:46] <Gratz474> if that is possible to do and works, and someone could tell me that would be great
[03:48] <ubuntu> Hi, i just intall the daily release of kubuntu on my sdb with windows 7 on the sda and the grub freezes at the "GRUB loading" and nothing happend
[03:48] <DanaG> hmm, did somebody poke me?
[03:48] <DanaG> or rather, ping.
[03:49] <akio> yes
[03:49] <akio> I did
[03:49] <ubuntu> any idea?
[03:49] <DanaG> ah, which was your bug?
[03:49] <timber> syndaemon doesn't work in karmic?
[03:49] <DanaG> I don't know how to get things to be looked at... if I knew that myself, I'd be happy.  =P
[03:50] <akio> Bug 439768
[03:50] <oldude67> ok if we dont have a xorg.conf, what do we change to get a new monitor to work correct?
[03:50] <akio> oldude67, use xrandr
[03:51] <oldude67> akio, only gives me 2 settings large and larger..
[03:51] <ubuntu> i install kubuntu karmic daily release and my grub hangs at the "GRUB loading" there is a fix fot that?
[03:51] <ubuntu> *for
[03:51] <akio> xrandr will give you everything you need, consult thy oracle
[03:52] <oldude67> akio, whatever
[03:52] <akio> I'm running dvi > hdmi with xrandr, there is no edid info for me to even work with
[03:56] <SodaPhish> holy jesus, why is it every time I update karmic my sound gets completely screwed?
[03:57] <SodaPhish> no, really, this is an issue.  Ever since hardy, sound support has been a raving lot of crap... anyone wanna take a stab at why?
[03:57] <SodaPhish> correction: AFTER hardy, sound went into the toilett
[03:57] <SodaPhish> err, crapper, or whatever
[03:58] <SodaPhish> no takers, eh?
[03:58] <SodaPhish> :-(
[03:58] <SodaPhish> I was hoping someone could explain that.
[03:58] <SodaPhish> and tell me how to get my mic to work in Karmic again.
[03:58] <SodaPhish> life without Mumble sucks.
[03:59] <SodaPhish> ...
[04:03] <c00p> If I install the rc release can I just apt-get to the release version of ubuntu ?
[04:03] <HoopyCat> c00p:  if you're on karmic (and running updates regularly), you're on the "latest", whether alpha, beta, release candidate, release, point release, etc :-)
[04:05] <brian__> im about to do a system re install but i wanna backup my apps and pictures and stuff so would i just save my home folder and that will restore everything?
[04:05] <dick-richardson> anyone aware of the dependency issue with update-manager?
[04:06] <c00p> cool - might rebuild my laptop tonight then with the latest release and then update once the official is out :)
[04:06] <c00p> thanks HoopyCat
[04:06] <HoopyCat> c00p:  np :-)
[04:10] <ubox> is anyone experiencing backlight being set low when waking the display?
[04:10] <GodfatherofEire> Say, guys, did that problem with nm-applet get fixed?
[04:10] <DanaG> "that problem" -- what problem?
[04:11] <DanaG> =P
[04:11] <GodfatherofEire> DanaG, basically, nm-applet didnt like anything other than DHCP (at least on wireless)
[04:13] <linuxguy2009> Where has the option to change the netbook remix display mode from netbook to normal gone?
[04:13] <GodfatherofEire> Like, I'd "set" the thing to Static IP, but then I'd check the settings and it was just back at DHCP
[04:14] <GodfatherofEire> And is it just me or are the x.10 releases a bit buggier than the x.04 ones?
[04:15] <GodfatherofEire> Come to think of it, nm-applet was acting up in 8.10 too.
[04:15] <HoopyCat> the winter tends to kill a lot of bugs in northern climates... the x.10s have been sitting around all summer
[04:16] <GodfatherofEire> Hah
[04:16] <GodfatherofEire> Well, then again, with 8.10 I suppose it was because I upgraded, rather than doing a fresh install
[04:18] <HoopyCat> i think it's mostly coincidence... different people use different things, with different levels of bugginess.  i, for one, find sound is vastly better in 9.10 compared to 9.04.  i also don't use the networkmanager (or whichever it is) after some horrific experiences trying to get it to work with static addressing since i started running ubuntu at home circa 8.04 :-)
[04:19] <rob0> Wait a minute, the BDFL is from the southern hemisphere, so I don't think the northern winter should have that much effect.
[04:20] <HoopyCat> rob0:  i believe launchpad.net to be in the UK, which would be where the bugs are stored
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> rob0: Canonical headquarters and sabdfl are currently in the UK, regardless of where he's from.
[04:33] <robotti^> :D
[04:33] <robotti^> no ubuntu for me :(
[04:33] <secret901> I upgraded to Karmic from Jaunty and I get a black screen for my desktop background.  How do I change it?
[04:36] <secret901> I have a black screen for my desktop background.  How do I fix that?
[04:37] <jdahm> secret901: get an image file {png,jpg,etc} and set it as the background?
[04:37] <secret901> jdahm: that doesn't work
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> secret901: have you tried restarting nautilus?
[04:37] <secret901> tonyyarusso: I've restarted my computer several times
[04:38] <secret901> tonyyarusso: I can see my background image briefly before I log out
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> nice
[04:38] <secret901> tonyyarusso: otherwise it's a black screen
[04:38] <pantsd_> I went to go dist-upgrade, but update-manager is broker in the beta. Anyone else have this issue?
[04:39] <secret901> tonyyarusso: also, the icon for my network connections is just a black blob
[04:39] <jdahm> this is what happens when you try to update to a beta I guess
[04:39] <jdahm> weird things happen
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> secret901: Welcome to pre-releases!
[04:39] <jdahm> if you want stuff to work, use LTS
[04:39] <durt> pantsd_, um, update-manager uses dist-upgrade?
[04:40] <pantsd_> durt: No so I run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade and it says :  update-manager: Depends: update-manager-core (= 1:0.126.5) but 1:0.126.4 is installed.
[04:40] <secret901> tonyyarusso: we'll, shouldn't they take care of this before it's released?
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> secret901: yes - have you filed/checked for the relevant bug?
[04:41] <spasticteapot> Is Compiz set up under Koala, and if so, how do I use it?
[04:41] <spasticteapot> I never bothered to install it before.
[04:41] <pantsd_> durt: its not blocking me, but I wanted to know if anyone  else has the problem or if I should file a bug.
[04:41] <secret901> tonyyarusso: no, I assume I'm the only one with this problem
[04:42] <virtuald> pantsd_: Run dialogaptitude update
[04:42] <virtuald> Oops
[04:42] <virtuald> Stupid phone
[04:42] <Jordan_U> spasticteapot: It's enabled by default ( if you have 3D accelleration ), you can do very basic customization in System > Preferences > Appearance, and more custumization by installing ccsm or simple-ccsm
[04:42] <Jordan_U> !ccsm | spasticteapot
[04:43] <durt> pantsd_, more than likely update-manager-core is going to be updated very shortly be patient.
[04:43] <pantsd_> schweet
[04:48] <lucas_> yeah, doess any one know how to make run flash on konqueror in karmic?
[04:49] <Barridus> anyone got a "Grub2 for n00bz" resource handy?  :)
[04:50] <durt> !grub2
[04:50] <lucas_> !konqueror
[04:55] <snap-l> Having trouble logging into postgresql after upgrading to Karmic. I know there's a debconf message that needs to be followed, but I didn't get all of the info. Is there a way to get that info after the fact?
[04:57]  * snap-l is having a hard time believing he's the only person with this problem. :)
[05:00] <Bluey> how do I kill the sounds in pidgin?  going into tools/mute sounds and checking that doesn't work...  worked fine in 9.04 but not 9.10
[05:01] <lucas_> Bluey: gnome or kde?
[05:02] <Bluey> lucas_: gnome
[05:02] <radhruin> I upgraded to the RC and things went smoothly except for one thing(minus having to set my network connection to managed AGAIN): my mic no longer works. It's a standard mic, not USB. Changing sound settings does nothing. The equalizer on the input tab of sound settings moves with sound output. I have an X-Fi card, which may have something to do with this. Any ideas?
[05:04] <td123> so I just tested the RC image, and whenever I delete a folder like Documents in my home folder, it still shows up in the main menu drop down. Is there any reason why this hasn't been fixed?
[05:04] <td123> by main menu, I mean the places menu :)
[05:05]  * pwnguin has a question about the init.d scripts
[05:05] <pwnguin> actually, nevermind
[05:05] <pwnguin> /proc/cmdline != /proc/{pid}/cmdline
[05:05] <cwillu_clone> pwnguin, /proc/self/cmdline
[05:06] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: i was wondering how the scripts were pulling kernel options from their commandline
[05:06] <pwnguin> but its obvious now
[05:06] <cwillu_clone> ah :p
[05:06] <leandrodeassis> u guys are having problem in auto-loading subtitles in totem? it freezes here..
[05:10] <secret901> how do I reboot from GNOME without having to log out?
[05:11] <Volkodav> no can do
[05:11] <Jordan_U> secret901: The fast user switch applet in the right of the top pannel
[05:11] <secret901> Jordan_U: the only options are to log out or to switch users
[05:11] <Bluey> secret901: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:12] <Bluey> w/o logging out - dunno
[05:12] <secret901> Bluey: is there a way to do it from some sort of applet?
[05:12] <Bluey> secret901: not that I  know of -
[05:12] <Jordan_U> secret901: Is this a fresh install or an upgrade?
[05:12] <secret901> Bluey: didn't they have that in Jaunty?
[05:12] <secret901> Jordan_U: upgrade from Jaunty
[05:13] <Jordan_U> secret901: It's in karmic too, if you don't see it that's a bug
[05:13] <kohlrak> yay...
[05:13] <Bluey> secret901: I don't know - they might have - I'm not aware of anything like that - but doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[05:13] <kohlrak> any known problems with scim in Koala?
[05:13] <secret901> Jordan_U: what should I expect to see in that applet?
[05:14] <Jordan_U> secret901: Basically the same thing as in jaunty
[05:14] <secret901> Jordan_U: I see only two options: log out or switch users
[05:15] <secret901> no option to reboot or shut down when you're logged in
[05:16] <Bluey> sure there is.
[05:16] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: i have like 250 megs of bootcharts
[05:16] <Bluey> mine shows that - unless your not admin
[05:16]  * cwillu_clone looks aroun
[05:16] <cwillu_clone> you talking to me?
[05:16] <secret901> Bluey: this in the only account in the computer
[05:16] <kohlrak> oh wow, a percentage on package reading! I love this improvement! =)
[05:16] <Bluey> secret901: is it admin account?
[05:16] <cwillu_clone> pwnguin, are you offering data storage services? :D
[05:17] <secret901> Bluey: it's not root if that's what you're asking
[05:17] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: now that i added the parameter to the kernel, it's making 32 kb per chart instead of 300
[05:17] <Bluey> secret901: no not asking that...
[05:17] <secret901> Bluey: but I can sudo stuff
[05:17] <pwnguin> svgz ftw
[05:17]  * cwillu_clone checks the scrollback
[05:17] <cwillu_clone> parameter?
[05:17] <Bluey> and your running 9,10?
[05:17] <secret901> Bluey: correct
[05:18] <cwillu_clone> pwnguin, my scrollback only goes back 20 minutes
[05:18] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: i was looking at /etc/init.d/stop-bootchart to enable svg over png
[05:18] <cwillu_clone> ah, okay
[05:18] <cwillu_clone> context is good :)
[05:18] <pwnguin> it reads the linux commandline for bootchart=svg
[05:18] <Bluey> hmm in the upper right corner, there is my user id and if I left click it, I've a bunch of options, including restart...
[05:18] <secret901> Bluey: so your applet shows more than two options?
[05:18] <kohlrak> Anyone know how to type in japanese on koala? i could do it on jaunty through scim, but it's not available in scim anymore....
[05:18] <Bluey> secret901: yes...
[05:18] <cwillu_clone> and vector over bitmap for visualization is also good :p
[05:19] <cwillu_clone> pwnguin, wonder why that isn't the default?
[05:19] <Bluey> secret901: 9 options
[05:19] <secret901> Bluey: oh, I see it now.  I was looking at another applet
[05:19] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: it might be in karmic (this box is jaunty)
[05:19] <Bluey> secret901: GOT EVERYTHING?
[05:20] <secret901> Bluey: yes. I was looking at the log out button, which had only 2 options
[05:20] <pwnguin> cwillu_clone: also, svg is xml, so you can actually dig around and analyze it
[05:20] <secret901> Bluey: this one integrated with IM so I didn't pay much attention to it
[05:21] <Bluey> secret901: it was that way in previous release too
[05:21] <pwnguin> i should have enabled it a while ago, back when they actually fixed it to do this =/
[05:22] <pwnguin> then i could make a time series of boot times
[05:29] <radhruin> Well, in order to get my external mic working, I had to use amixer to enable Line-in
[05:29] <radhruin> I'm not sure how to file a bug against this
[05:40] <webbb82> the past few updates i did it says it wants todo a partial upgrade  , does this mean i messed somethin up
[05:44] <webbb82> in order todo the partial upgrade it wants to remove konqueror plugins
[05:44] <Barridus> webbb82, maybe maybe not, sometimes a package hits the repos before all of it's dependencies
[05:45] <bullgard4> Yesterday I had my laptop computer in a local Linux computer club. There was a kernel crash which I tried to report to Launchpad. Then I could continue working on it. This morning the Ubuntu greeter reports: "Error when authentificating" after i input my password and press Enter. I can login on a vitual console though. How to troubleshoot?
[05:45] <bullgard4> s/vitual/virtual/
[05:46] <kb9zwj> Is there a way to upgrade to grub2 after a upgrade from jaunty to karmic?
[05:46] <Jordan_U> kb9zwj: Yes, sudo apt-get install grub2
[05:47] <kb9zwj> ok tks
[05:47] <bullgard4> kb9zwj: Yes there is.
[05:47] <Barridus> kb9zwj, you might evaluate if you need to, grub2 is a little rough around the edges atm
[05:47] <Jordan_U> Barridus: How so?
[05:47] <darthanubis> would you guys please bother to READ the homepage of the distro at least?
[05:48] <bazhang> !grub2
[05:49] <Barridus> Jordan_U, for one my grub2 won't autoboot, it waits for me to select something.  no resolution exists yet.
[05:49] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Can you pastebin your grub.conf?
[05:50] <Barridus> not my default/grub?
[05:50] <Barridus> and i assume you mean grub.cfg?
[05:50] <rob0> Not your father's grub.
[05:51] <edwindoebler> Jordan_U: don't know if you remember my login issue from earlier, but i did another fresh install -- and opted not to use shadow passwords -- and i still can't log in
[05:52] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Yes, grub.cfg ( I've been working with Red Hat too much recently :)
[05:52] <Barridus> here's a thread on the forums i posted my file contents to, i'm solidus0079 at the end http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8059875
[05:53] <Barridus> seems my grub2 branches at if [ ${recordfail} = 1 ]; then"
[05:53] <Barridus> oops, seems my grub2 branches at if "[ ${recordfail} = 1 ]; then" for no reason
[05:55] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Your default entry may be failing for some reason
[05:55] <Jordan_U> Barridus: That would explain grub not timing out
[05:57] <bp0> hello, im trying to update my jaunty to the rc, with `update-manager -d` ... is there a way i can tell it to use packs from the cd instead of downloading? im only getting 100k from the server and its going to take hours
[05:57] <Barridus> why would it fail?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Is "default" set to anything other than zero?
[06:00] <Barridus> Jordan_U, GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[06:00] <olejl> I have 2 computers running karmic, but I have a slow internet connection. Is it possible to use on PC as a server when doing updates? so that I only need to download the packages one time?
[06:00] <olejl> *one
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Hold shift at boot ( that will cause the menu to be shown *before* it tries to load the default entry ), then choose the first menu entry and see if you see any errors
[06:01] <Barridus> hmm maybe i've miscommunicated
[06:02] <Barridus> it shows the menu
[06:02] <Barridus> it just refuses to count down automatically and launch ubuntu
[06:02] <Barridus> that's what's going on Jordan_U
[06:02] <Jordan_U> Barridus: I know, but it likely shows the menu because automatically loading the default entry fails
[06:02] <Barridus> it launches if i hit enter
[06:03] <Barridus> but i don't have the hidden option on, it should be showing the menu (i have xp on a small partition)
[06:04] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Ok, is there anything but "#"s in /boot/grub/grubenv ?
[06:05] <Delvien> No experience with xsplash. How do I restore xsplash ? (tried KDE in karmic to test, and now I only have the kubuntu usplash, instead of the new ubuntu xsplash)
[06:05] <Barridus> yes Jordan_U, # GRUB Environment Block
[06:05] <Barridus> recordfail=1
[06:05] <Barridus> then a bunch of #
[06:06] <Jordan_U> Barridus: That is the problem, there was a failure at one point and that failure has been saved
[06:06] <Barridus> can i clear the failure?
[06:06] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Yes
[06:06] <Barridus> edit to recordfail=0?
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Barridus: sudo grub-editenv create
[06:08] <Barridus> no command specified
[06:08] <Barridus> that's the output of that command Jordan_U
[06:09] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Sorry, "sudo grub-editenv /boot/grub/grubenv create"
[06:09] <kohlrak> what's default on koala, oss, alsa, or what?
[06:09] <Jordan_U> kohlrak: alsa
[06:09] <lucas_> mm
[06:09] <kohlrak> thanks
[06:10] <Barridus> ok thanks Jordan_U, this time no output (usually a good sign)
[06:10] <Barridus> is it ready for me to test bootup?
[06:10] <Jordan_U> Barridus: Yes
[06:11] <Barridus> Jordan_U, i notice /boot/grub/grubenv is now missing the recordfail line, ok brb
[06:13] <Barridus> thanks Jordan_U, you fixed it!
[06:16] <wgrant> Is there a way to turn just some event sounds off?
[06:16] <Delvien> Anyone know how to restore xsplash, after installing, and then removing KDE ?
[06:16] <wgrant> eg. I don't want the login or alert sounds, but I do want sounds in Empathy.
[06:19] <SpacePigeon> if i hit cancel on my upgrade, i will loose no downloaded material right?
[06:20] <durt> SpacePigeon, packages completely downloaded are stored.
[06:20] <SpacePigeon> good goood. I just don't want to restart the upgrade tomorrow and have it start off from the beginning
[06:21] <durt> no, just the package that gets interupted
[06:25] <SpacePigeon> perfect
[06:27] <morphias> i dont know if it is just me but i noticed recently that this distro lags the system a lot more than 9.04 when i do copy operations
[06:27] <kohlrak> might be jus you, because i'm actually noticing improvements in some areas, especially speed wise
[06:27] <kohlrak> my computer usually has spikes in cpu usage every so many seconds
[06:28] <kohlrak> now those spikes are gone
[06:29] <morphias> hmm.  like all applications lag / freeze and firefox just crashed on me.
[06:31] <kohlrak> strange
[06:31] <kohlrak> quite honestly, i was amazed that i seem to only be having minor papercut problems
[06:32] <morphias> reason i asked is because i booted into 9.04 and tried the same thing and it doesn't lag the x-server as bad.
[06:32] <kohlrak> maybe your videocard lost support
[06:32] <kohlrak> i know when i upgrated to hardy long ago my video card now only has 2d support (ati card)
[06:32] <kohlrak> on gutsy it had 3d support
[06:33] <morphias> i have an embedded intel card and i read they improved support for intel in this distro?
[06:33] <morphias> new driver?
[06:33] <kohlrak> it could be the case =p
[06:33] <kohlrak> however
[06:33] <morphias> ah.
[06:33] <wgrant> How old is the Intel card?
[06:33] <wgrant> Anything i915 or newer should have much better support now.
[06:34] <morphias> lol. uhm hows Intel GM965 sound? :-P
[06:34] <wgrant> Anything older may have regressed slightly.
[06:34] <wgrant> That's new.
[06:34] <maco> gm965 is good
[06:34] <morphias> oh ok.
[06:34] <kohlrak> i'd do some diagnostics if i were you
[06:35] <morphias> im just learning how to debug lately.
[06:35] <kohlrak> try running some GUI stuff from the terminal
[06:35] <kohlrak> you might find gtk complaining too
[06:35] <morphias> ok
[06:36] <kohlrak> (i've grown to hate gtk lately because of some silly things it does which ends up leading to most of it's own problems)
[06:36] <morphias> lol i know the feeling.  i keep feeling that gtk "gets in the way"
[06:37] <kohlrak> moreso, gtk actually does runtime type checking (which is why it often complains when an old app doesn't get recomplied when gtk gets updated)
[06:37] <kohlrak> it also leads to slowdowns =p
[06:46] <morphias> other than that, i cannot wait for the matured release of this distro :-P
[06:46] <morphias> i mean, your right some stuff has been sped up and i like the new software manager
[06:47] <bullgard4> Yesterday I had my laptop computer in a local Linux computer club. There was a kernel crash which I tried to report to Launchpad. Then I could continue working on it. This morning after I input my password and pressed Enter the Ubuntu greeter reports: "Error when authentificating". I can login on a virtual console though. How to troubleshoot?
[06:51] <Jordan_U> bullgard4: Do you use ecryptfs?
[06:51] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: No.
[06:53] <Gratz474> so is it possible to use exa instead of UXA?
[06:54] <Gratz474> I would like to use EXA for this intel card
[06:54] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: No
[06:54] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, :(
[06:54] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: Why do you want to use EXA?
[06:54] <Gratz474> for an intel card it works better
[06:54] <Gratz474> better performance
[06:54] <Gratz474> xaa is actually the best performance for an intel card
[06:55] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: That has likely changed with the new intel drivers
[06:55] <meatbun> how to create loopback interface?
[06:55] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, the ones with 9.10?
[06:55] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: Yes
[06:55] <kohlrak> meatbun: what kind of loopback interface?
[06:55] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, I am not complaining they are good
[06:55] <meatbun> kohlrak, virtual. like msoft adaptor loopback
[06:55] <Gratz474> but i just feel maybe it could be a bit better
[06:56] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: The intel devs removed the EXA code from the intel driver
[06:56] <kohlrak> meatbun: i'm still not following you. Networking, hardware, what?
[06:56] <meatbun> the default is using 127.x i want a new one
[06:56] <meatbun> networking. nic intefface
[06:56] <kohlrak> aaaaaaaaaaah
[06:56] <meatbun> lo: is default
[06:57] <kohlrak> why do you want a newone? =p
[06:57] <meatbun> yes
[06:57] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, when i go over a gnome menu like accessories, and i move my mouse fast over it, it just picks up a few of the hovers, but if i turn off all effects in gnome it will thats just bugging me, maybe something to do with DRI2 ? or whatever, maybe i could tweak this
[06:57] <Gratz474> the effects and everything run really good now though, runs very smooth
[06:58] <Gratz474> its just the menu hover thing that urks me
[06:58] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: compiz uses a fade in effect for menus by default, try turning that effect off so the menu shows immediately
[06:58] <meatbun> kohlrak, u kno how?
[06:58] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, i mean once its already open
[06:58] <Gratz474> i hover over accessories then i hover all that stuff really quick it wont really pick it up
[06:58] <kohlrak> meatbun: not entirely sure to be honest, can't see why you'd want a newone though.
[06:59] <Gratz474> i have to slowly move for it to focus that item
[06:59] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, like a piano roll or something :)
[07:00] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, maybe there is some tweak or i duno, when you hover over just an item i can't see it doing anything too special this is why its annoying me heh
[07:02] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: Can you see if it's reproduceable with xcompmgr ?
[07:03] <Gratz474> xcompgr i never even used it
[07:03] <Gratz474> just have a gnome menu open a big one, and do a piano roll does it pick up every time or does it only highlight ever 5th one or something?
[07:06] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: My card has no 3D support :(
[07:06] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, what do you have?
[07:07] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: SIS
[07:07] <Gratz474> i mean this is the crappiest card ever I am using right now
[07:07] <Gratz474> i mean crappy card i am uisng
[07:07] <Gratz474> an intel 865G
[07:07] <Gratz474> crap card in 04 when it came out
[07:07] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: Driver problem, SIS cards have the worst linux support by far
[07:07] <Gratz474> integrated == crap and it was a crap integrated then
[07:07] <Gratz474> interesting
[07:08] <fr500> hi
[07:08] <fr500> I think I found a bug
[07:08] <Gratz474> i mean its not a big deal really, i dont fly over the menu items that quick usually, but with effects off it doenst' happen with them on it does
[07:09] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: This is integrated, was crap when I got it from a friend who bought it as crap when she bought it, and the driver barely has 2D accelleration ( And at anything above 1024x768 I get white lines flashing across the screen ). You could not find a worse GFX card :)
[07:09] <fr500> anyone with a d945gclf board?
[07:10] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, i see, do you live in europe?
[07:10] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: No, U.S.
[07:10] <Gratz474> ah
[07:10] <Gratz474> SIS cards i think wre more common in europe
[07:11] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, what kind of processor do you have?
[07:11] <Jordan_U> Gratz474:  AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+
[07:11] <Gratz474> thats not as bad as the card :P
[07:11] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, me and you both need new hardware
[07:12] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: I just recently upgraded from having only 128 meg of RAM, some of which was being used by this wonderfull integrated SIS card :)
[07:14] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: I am not sure if the fact that I hadn't done it sooner is more a testament to Linux's ability to run smoothly with low memory or my laziness
[07:14] <morphias> ok firefox crashed again and i got some error messages.
[07:15] <morphias> some from python2.6, some from NSPlugin Wrapper,
[07:15] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, what were you using gnome?
[07:16] <Jordan_U> Gratz474: LXDE
[07:18] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, was about ready to say, if you were running Gnome that would be nuts
[07:20] <darkham> how many shipments of ubuntu are allowed by canonical?
[07:20] <Bluey> any known issues with amarok and 9.10?
[07:24] <Docteh> is installing to iscsi well documented?
[07:24] <Bluey> wow - gdm restart fixed amarok issues...
[07:24] <Bluey> Docteh: irssi?
[07:25] <durt> darkham, best to email your local team to see what they can do for you.
[07:26] <Jordan_U> Docteh: Given that it's a featured feature of karmic I would hope it is
[07:26] <darkham> durt:ok
[07:27] <Gratz474> Jordan_U, do you have any ideas what this means? the migrationheuristic when set to greedy uses
[07:27] <Gratz474> is this supposed to be a performance improvement?
[07:30] <bullgard4> What is the recommended Karmic command-line command to restart GNOME?
[07:34] <Jordan_U> bullgard4: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[07:34] <Bluey> bullgard4: /etc/init.d/gmd restart
[07:34] <Bluey> yes sudo
[07:34] <Bluey> okay time for cat to disappear
[07:38] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Your command worked all right. --  Thank you.
[07:39] <Jordan_U> bullgard4: np
[07:39] <bullgard4> Bluey: Thank you.
[07:39] <Bluey> bullgard4: seems to be unique to ubuntu - in suse we used another method entirely
[07:39] <Ian_Corne> whoa updates
[07:39] <bullgard4> Yesterday I had my laptop computer in a local Linux computer club. There was a kernel crash which I tried to report to Launchpad. Then I could continue working on it. This morning after I input my password and pressed Enter the Ubuntu greeter reports: "Error when authentificating". I can login on a virtual console though. How to troubleshoot? My root password works all right also.
[07:40] <Bluey> bullgard4: I am having to do a LOT of gdm restarts in 9.10 to get things working.
[07:41] <Bluey> amarok quit -- wouldn't work for crap - did a gdm restart - works great now...
[07:41] <bullgard4> Bluey hm.  I checked "Keyboard", and it was set to "English-USA". I changed it to my preferred locale. Now I can log in again as a normal user as I was used to do.  --  Thank you.
[07:50] <Ian_Corne> np :)
[07:51] <oldude67> !nvidia
[07:51] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[07:52] <Ian_Corne> anyone any idea when the new ati driver will be in the repo?
[07:54] <om26er> nvidia vanta worked very great on ubuntu7.10 but refreshrate in 9.10 is very slow
[07:56] <oldude67> im not doing something right, i cant get the glx-71 to install...had it installed and fubarred my system and now been fighting with it for over an hour..ugh
[07:57] <Bluey> oldude67: Ihave 180 installed
[07:57] <Ian_Corne> oldude67: why do you need that very old version of the driver?
[07:57] <oldude67> cause im running an old card
[07:57] <om26er> can i use internet in ubuntu through nokia mobliles??
[07:57] <Ian_Corne> i'm using 185, tried 190 but it's nowhere near stable :p
[07:57] <Ian_Corne> yes om26er
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> connecti via bluetooth
[07:58] <om26er> Ian_Corne: USB?
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> errr
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> i doubt that :p
[07:58] <Ian_Corne> try it and let me know
[07:59] <Bluey> is the 185 driver stable?
[07:59] <Ian_Corne> yes
[07:59] <oldude67> bunch of crap just go get desktop affects to work..ugh
[07:59] <Bluey> Ian_Corne: I still couldn't get compiz to work
[07:59] <Bluey> Ian_Corne: it compress all four workspaces into one workspace and won't let you move anything
[08:00] <Ian_Corne> aha sorry, i never use compiz
[08:00] <Ian_Corne> I can play wow in wine with it fine tho
[08:00] <Bluey> Ian_Corne: nice glitz though
[08:00] <Bluey> Ian_Corne: what is wow?
[08:01] <oldude67> what is the apt line for the restricted drivers in synaptic and kpackage?
[08:01] <bazhang> world of warcraft
[08:01] <Bluey> bazhang: thanks - must be a game?
[08:01] <bazhang> Bluey, yep :)
[08:02] <Ian_Corne> a 3d game Bluey , opengl :)
[08:02] <Bluey> bazhang: not much of a game player -- I have super bad eye hand co-ordination
[08:02] <mattwj2002> help!!!
[08:02] <bazhang> mattwj2002, with what
[08:02] <mattwj2002> hi all
[08:02] <Bluey> sup mattwj2002?
[08:02] <mattwj2002> my computer is reporting bad sectors
[08:02] <Bluey> mattwj2002: uh oh!
[08:02] <oldude67> thats easy, get a new hard drive
[08:02] <mattwj2002> this is RC
[08:03] <mattwj2002> is it possible this is a bug?
[08:03] <Bluey> mattwj2002: what did you have installed previously?
[08:03] <mattwj2002> 9.04
[08:03] <oldude67> mattwj2002, download the support disk for your hard drive and make a disk, and run it...it will test it for you.
[08:03] <mattwj2002> I never had a report until I just installed 9.10 RC of mythbuntu
[08:04] <Bluey> mattwj2002: yup well said oldude67
[08:04] <mattwj2002> anyone know of any bugs in ubuntu 9.10 for false positives with bad sectors?
[08:05] <Bluey> mattwj2002: got that with suse -- d/l the test from western digital - drive was marginal -- also matt what filesystem are you using?
[08:05] <Bluey> mattwj2002: do you know how to run fsck?
[08:05] <mattwj2002> ext3
[08:05] <mattwj2002> not off hand
[08:05] <mattwj2002> I have used it before
[08:06] <Bluey> mattwj2002: I think you drop into single user mode and run fsck - I honestly don't remember -it's been awhile
[08:06] <mattwj2002> anyone else know
[08:06] <mattwj2002> ?
[08:07] <Bluey> mattwj2002: I can try that on my suse system
[08:08] <bullgard4>  oldude67 Your question is difficult to understand. Please repeat it in other words.
[08:08]  * Bluey boots up suse
[08:08] <oldude67> im trying to get the dkms kernel module to load for my nvidia card, and i need the source apt line for kpackage
[08:10] <mattwj2002> hey guys
[08:10] <mattwj2002> would this work?
[08:10] <mattwj2002> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-force-fsck-filesystem-check-on.html
[08:11] <Bluey> mattwj2002: yes - drop to single user mode -- unmount the drive -- then fsck
[08:11] <mattwj2002> fsck -l ?
[08:11] <jacob||> hi, having an issue with pulseaudio suspend
[08:11] <bullgard4>  oldude67 Do you mean '~$ apt-get install kpackagekit'?
[08:11] <Bluey> mattwj2002: file struckture check
[08:11] <jacob||> the suspend script seems to hang
[08:11] <mattwj2002> what Bluey?
[08:12] <oldude67> bullgard4, no, ill find it in a min...just got to look threw all the help pages..ugh
[08:12] <mattwj2002> I am sorry I am confused
[08:12] <mattwj2002> it is 2:12 am
[08:12] <Bluey> mattwj2002: dope demani (do it tomorrow)
[08:12] <mattwj2002> no I'll let it run tonight
[08:12] <mattwj2002> I know how to do everything
[08:13] <mattwj2002> all I need to know is
[08:13] <mattwj2002> do I use the -l option or not
[08:13] <Bluey> mattwj2002: I didn't don't know what that does...
[08:13] <mattwj2002> okay
[08:14] <Bluey> mattwj2002: I don't see that in the man for fsck
[08:14] <mattwj2002> thanks I'll figure it out
[08:14] <Bluey> mattwj2002: good luck
[08:15] <rothchild> mornin' anyone else seeing problems with compiz on intel drivers? It was working fine last night but this morning I've got big black borders instead of shadows?
[08:15] <jacob||> pacmd runs as root, but can't talk to the session. Any tips on how that is supposed to work?
[08:17] <Bluey> rothchild: did you try a gdm restart?
[08:18] <Bluey> rothchild: that fixed an amarok problem I had earlier...
[08:19] <rothchild> Bluey: yes I've rebooted the whole box a couple of times (as I had a weird kernel oops when it woke up from hibernation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/439186 )
[08:19] <Bluey> rothchild: I've had problems with suspending - so I disable it...
[08:20]  * kraft__ is jacob
[08:20] <kraft__> empathy irc is no quite there huh
[08:20] <rothchild> Bluey: for me it works more often than not so I've not got too much of a problem with it but these big black boxes around my windows are a bit much, oh well back to metacity I guess
[08:21] <Bluey> rothchild: best of luck
[08:24] <bp0> finally got jaunty upgraded to karmic, but it was a mistake. is it possible to downgrade as easily?
[08:25] <dupondje> grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `nvidia_fbajhgaf1'
[08:25] <dupondje> any idea how to solve that ?
[08:26] <toothdecay> Hey all, maybe a question someone can answer quickly... How do I change the default kernel selected on bootup, I'd like to permanently use the real time kernel... I've tried to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst but it doesn't exsist. I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 rc
[08:26] <wgrant> bp0: No, you cannot downgrade. What went wrong?
[08:26] <bp0> tvtime is broken in karmic
[08:27] <RAOF> bp0: "ubuntu-bug tvtime", then.
[08:27] <bp0> did that, but tvtime bugs take about 10 years to get fixed
[08:27] <bp0> so, i want to watch tv before that...
[08:27] <bp0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tvtime/+bug/458832
[08:28] <wgrant> Tried booting with an older kernel? Downgrading to the older version of tvtime?
[08:29] <bp0> no, have not.
[08:29] <bp0> not sure how.
[08:29] <SandGorgon> can i use fakeroot to install a deb to a local directory (without sudo or any superuser privileges?)
[08:29] <bp0> i thought i saw all the old kernels being removed in the upgrade but ill try it
[08:30] <RAOF> SandGorgon: No.
[08:30] <toothdecay> Can anyone help me out, I can't even get the grub menu to appear at boot anymore with Karmic
[08:30] <wgrant> toothdecay: Hold down Shift.
[08:30] <oldude67> now once i have the driver installed for nvidia, i have to reboot to get it set right?
[08:30] <wgrant> oldude67: That's the best way to be sure.
[08:31] <toothdecay> wgrant: thanks :) how about changing it permanently
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> bp0 do i need any special hardware to test tvtime?
[08:31] <Ian_Corne> like a tv card?
[08:32] <oldude67> well here goes nothing..bbia m let you know if it worked...ugh
[08:32] <wgrant> toothdecay: See /etc/default/grub
[08:33] <toothdecay> wgrant: very much appreciated
[08:34] <bp0> wgrant, it does work when using 2.6.28
[08:34] <bp0> so what should i do about this
[08:34] <bp0> how should i change the bug report, i mean
[08:35] <wgrant> bp0: Great. Change the package to 'linux' and add a comment that it works in 2.6.28.
[08:37] <lnostdal> hi, i'm trying out 9.10 under virtualbox and i'm wondering what "Ubuntu Firefox Modifications" is? .. there is no information or homepage to be found as far as i can see
[08:38] <wgrant> lnostdal: The main thing it does, AFAICT, is provides apt integration when installing plugins and extensions.
[08:38] <wgrant> ('ubufox' is the package)
[08:38] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to do a fresh install of the Netbook Remix on my EeePC900. When I try to boot from the livedisc I get an error in BusyBox. "Cannot mount /dev/loop1 on /cow"
[08:40] <oldude67> well that worked, i now can run desktop affects...what a fight...im glad i wrote those pages down.
[08:40] <lnostdal> wgrant, i see .. the ubufox package states that apturl is one of its dependencies
[08:40] <lnostdal> ..so what it adds is just a set of "defaults"?
[08:43] <wgrant> oldude67: Did System->Administration->Hardware Drivers not work for you?
[08:43] <wgrant> lnostdal: No, it's not just defaults.
[08:43] <oldude67> nope
[08:43] <wgrant> oldude67: Have you filed a bug?
[08:44] <oldude67> wgrant, i just figured it was such and old card that it,wasnt supported anymore..
[08:44] <oldude67> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2 Ultra] (rev 11)
[08:45] <wgrant> oldude67: Ah, good old TNT2s... what did you have to do to get it working?
[08:45] <oldude67> wgrant, oh hopped threw some loops and add the repos for it.
[08:45] <oldude67> wgrant, then used the glx-96 driver
[08:46] <wgrant> oldude67: But 96 is in Karmic.
[08:46] <rob0> LogicalDash downloaded what, the ISO image?
[08:47] <LogicalDash> rob0: yes, and then I used the USB Startup Disk Creator
[08:47] <oldude67> wgrant, didnt show up till i added the restricted-drivers repos
[08:47] <oldude67> or i am so tired i just missed it the first time.
[08:48] <oldude67> but anyways, i got it, now so its off to pillow time laters all
[08:48] <fbn> Hi, if I receive a message with Empathy I see the notification but after that vanishes there is no indication about the new message any more. On 9.04 there was a blinking icon in the panel. Is that as designed behavior or a bug?
[08:48] <wgrant> fbn: You should see the little envelope thing next to the clock light up.
[08:48] <fbn> For me it's more like a bug because if I'm away from computer and don't see the notification I don't get the new messages until I manually open Empathy
[08:48] <wgrant> (well, light up black)
[08:48] <fbn> wgrant, isn't that for mail only?
[08:49] <wgrant> fbn: No. It is a general messaging indicator.
[08:49] <fbn> wgrant, ok I'll watch that one :)
[08:49] <wgrant> You can revert to the old way by unchecking the checkbox in Empathy preferences labelled something like message
[08:49] <wgrant> Er.
[08:49] <wgrant> ... something like 'Use message indication'
[08:49] <wgrant> I forget exactly.
[08:49] <wgrant> I gave up on Empathy.
[08:50] <wgrant> It's under the rest of the notification settings.
[08:51] <fbn> wgrant, thanks
[09:01] <fbn> wgrant, indicator is not working with empathy
[09:01] <fbn> wgrant, it always stays "dark"
[09:03] <wgrant> fbn: Did you click on it to dismiss it?
[09:03] <fbn> wgrant, no
[09:03] <fbn> did nothing
[09:03] <fbn> maybe it was already "light" because new mail arrived
[09:03] <fbn> don't know
[09:03] <fbn> is there a way to test the indicator, make it light?
[09:06] <wgrant> fbn: Click on the indicator, and work out what has made it light up.
[09:06] <wgrant> Once you identify that, click on the item to dismiss it.
[09:19] <maxagaz> hi
[09:19] <maxagaz> is empathy sip compatible ?
[09:20] <fbn> wgrant, I tested with a 2nd jabber account and yep indicator works
[09:20] <fbn> but I don't like the icon, there is too less difference between 0 and 1 ;)
[09:20] <wgrant> maxagaz: I believe so, but the relevant package might not be installed by default.
[09:21] <wgrant> maxagaz: You might want telepathy-sofiasip
[09:21] <virtuald> can i get a jabber@my-domain account without running a server?
[09:22] <maxagaz> wgrant, should empathy replace ekiga ?
[09:22] <wgrant> maxagaz: Perhaps.
[09:22] <RPG_Master_> OK, how do I upgrade to the RC?
[09:22] <kklimonda> virtuald, yes
[09:22] <virtuald> o.o
[09:22] <wgrant> virtuald: You might be able to find a hosted service (for example Google Apps)
[09:22] <RPG_Master_> anyone?
[09:22] <virtuald> i don't like google :)
[09:22] <virtuald> they're creepy
[09:22] <wgrant> RPG_Master_: See the release notes link in the topic, I guess.
[09:22] <wgrant> virtuald: Neither.
[09:23] <fbn> virtuald, there are lots of servers
[09:23] <RussellAlan> I have no taskbar,  when booting, just FireFox Windows. .. can anyone help?
[09:23] <virtuald> 8]
[09:23] <fbn> RussellAlan, that sounds like Google OS :)
[09:23] <RussellAlan> yeah except its karmic
[09:24] <RPG_Master_> OK, should I do the use the update manager or should use an iso?
[09:24] <Ian_Corne> RPG_Master_: backed up all uout files?
[09:24] <wgrant> RPG_Master_: Hard to say. Mirrors in .au already seem overloaded, so I would torrent an ISO.
[09:24] <wgrant> But other mirrors might be alright.
[09:24] <RussellAlan> it feels like windows ... when I need to kill explorer. exe what so I do?
[09:25] <Ian_Corne> how do i remove the old kernels?
[09:25] <Ian_Corne> they won't go with autoremove :p
[09:25] <RPG_Master_> I just want to let my laptop update while I'll sleep... its 3:25 here in Alabama :(
[09:25] <RPG_Master_> *I
[09:25] <wgrant> Ian_Corne: Try System -> Administration -> System Cleaner
[09:25] <virtuald> russellalan: kill -HUP nautilus
[09:25] <Ian_Corne> yeah tried that now wgrant :)
[09:25] <wgrant> Ian_Corne: er, Computer Janitor, it is now.
[09:26] <Ian_Corne> yes
[09:26] <Ian_Corne> it doesn't have em there :p
[09:26] <Ian_Corne> oh wait still analyzing
[09:26] <wgrant> It should...
[09:26] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:26] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:26] <wgrant> That is unobvious.
[09:26] <wgrant> I meant to file a bug.
[09:26] <Ian_Corne> well, it also makes the window very slow
[09:27] <Ian_Corne> had a blank janitor window for a few seconds
[09:27] <RussellAlan> virtuald how do I get to terminal??
[09:27] <Ian_Corne> RussellAlan: why do you want to go to the RC
[09:27] <virtuald> ctrl-alt-f1, then switch back with alt-f7 when done
[09:27] <Ian_Corne> if you don't know these basics, i'd advise against it
[09:27] <dupondje> Is there a way to get grub2 workin with dmraid ?
[09:28] <Ian_Corne> wgrant: the alt-tab icon is also unavailable
[09:28] <RussellAlan> but those commands dont work
[09:28] <Ian_Corne> it marks vim-full as unused :(
[09:29] <Ian_Corne> which i explicitly installed
[09:29] <virtuald> russellalan: what you mean can you get any sort of control at all?
[09:29] <RussellAlan> abbot they do on the actual keyboard
[09:29] <RussellAlan> I have laptop docked
[09:32] <RussellAlan> says arguments must be process or job Ids
[09:33] <virtuald> oh
[09:33] <deepu> Is the release candidate safe to upgrade
[09:33] <virtuald> sorry, should be killall or pkill, not just kill
[09:34] <virtuald> killall and pkill does the same thing
[09:34] <davisc> deepu: Probably not recommended for non-experienced users yet
[09:34] <deepu> davisc: will it cause any serious troubles
[09:34] <davisc> deepu: Probably will be fine, but you could end up with an unbootable system and need to mess with grub, live CDs and the like
[09:34] <RussellAlan> what variables?
[09:35] <deepu> davisc: Damn can't wait for another week!!
[09:35] <virtuald> russellalan: killall -HUP nautilus
[09:36] <RussellAlan> no process found
[09:37] <Ian_Corne> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/computer-janitor/+bug/458872
[09:38] <RussellAlan> virtuald
[09:41] <dmulholland> hi, I just upgrade to Beta and have been using OGMRIP to back up my DVDs. Somehow now anytime I encode something it hardcodes the subtitles onto the movie, does anyone know how to stop this?
[09:41] <Lazy> RussellAlan: does alt+f2 open "run application" window?
[09:42] <RussellAlan> lazy yes
[09:43] <RussellAlan> when typed on laptop not mounted keyboard
[09:43] <virtuald> russellalan: ok are you fully up to date?
[09:43] <RussellAlan> yes
[09:44] <Lazy> what happens if you try to launch nautilus from that "run application"
[09:44] <RussellAlan> I believe this happened when I changed appearances
[09:45] <RussellAlan> can't enter comand
[09:47] <RussellAlan> I have no nautilus installed
[09:48] <RPG_Master_> how can I check if I am running the RC?
[09:48] <RusellAlan> Okay, I ran kvirc from alt+f2 that's why I know I have no nautilus installed
[09:48] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: just male all updates
[09:49] <TheInfinity> *make
[09:49] <RPG_Master_> TheInfinity: Well, the update manager is showing no updates left :/
[09:49] <TheInfinity> then you havee RC1
[09:49] <RPG_Master_> Well, ok then :P
[09:50] <RPG_Master_> Am I the only one who is experiencing some BAD lag when you click on button?
[09:50]  * TheInfinity is still alpha *update* :)
[09:51] <RPG_Master_> I am so sick of how slow my laptop has gotten since upgrading to the beta >:(
[09:51] <RusellAlan> okay
[09:51] <RPG_Master_> Anyone know what I can do to make mine faster?
[09:51] <RusellAlan> virtuald: Lazy i installed nautilus
[09:51] <Lazy> RussellAlan: did it help?
[09:52] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: use a new account to test if its a setting prob
[09:52] <RusellAlan> Lazy: i still have no taskbar or start app area
[09:52] <RPG_Master_> TheInfinity: Can I just start a guest account?
[09:52] <RusellAlan> no desktop/widget
[09:53] <Lazy> RusellAlan: do you have package "ubuntu-desktop" installed?
[09:53] <TheInfinity> make a new account and go ;)
[09:53] <Lazy> it should bring evertyhing needed
[09:53] <TheInfinity> hmm. atm i get dependency probs. yea! :D
[09:53] <RussellAlan> im running kubuntu, not should affect?
[09:53] <RPG_Master_> TheInfinity: Ima try a guest account first :P
[09:58] <dupondje> to bad grub2 doesn't work with dmraid :(
[10:03] <RPG_Master_> TheInfinity: Tested... WAY QUICKER O_O
[10:03] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: beta testing as usual :)
[10:03] <RPG_Master_> help me fix it :(
[10:03] <TheInfinity> make a new profile
[10:03] <RPG_Master_> :/
[10:03] <TheInfinity> or search for the settings bug.
[10:05] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: you should not use beta software with your main profile if you did this ;)
[10:06] <RPG_Master_> I googled "slow karmic beta".... and got nothing helpful
[10:06] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: new user profiles are always the first thing to test in such situations
[10:07] <TheInfinity> sometimes config file updating fails in beta upgrades
[10:07] <cousin_mario> hello
[10:07] <cousin_mario> how do I set a splashimage on grub2?
[10:08] <TheInfinity> cousin_mario: google so difficult: http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&safe=off&client=opera&rls=de&hs=maG&q=splashimage+grub2+ubuntu&btnG=Suche&lr=&aq=f&oq= ?
[10:11] <cousin_mario> TheInfinity: oh thanks:)
[10:11] <TheInfinity> ...
[10:11] <RPG_Master_> So anymore advice for me?
[10:12] <RPG_Master_> 'cus google an't helping :/
[10:12] <TheInfinity> RPG_Master_: make a new user profile and try importing old user profile part for part
[10:12] <TheInfinity> when it gets slow you know where to search
[10:13] <RPG_Master_> If thats my only option...
[10:15] <RPG_Master_> I think I am just going to do a fresh install :/
[10:19] <RussellAlan> Lazy:
[10:19] <RussellAlan> why did I spent 30 minutes installing gnome-desktop when I'm on kubuntu? lol
[10:20] <topyli> now you can check out gnome and fix bugs there as well :)
[10:23] <cousin_mario> bye
[10:23] <RussellAlan> sounds fun topyli.... uh not
[10:23] <RussellAlan> lol
[10:23] <RussellAlan> as long as im not on windows im doing good.
[10:24] <hey_boy> 1024x or higher resolutions are not available on my system. I have Intel 845 onboard VGA
[10:27] <hey_boy> indus: are u here yet
[10:27] <Lazy> RussellAlan: sorry, i thought you were using gnome
[10:28] <indus> hi
[10:28] <indus> hey_boy: so
[10:28] <Lazy> RussellAlan: check if you have kubuntu-desktop and all of its dependencies then :)
[10:28] <indus> hey_boy: you tried the system>hardware drivers thingy?
[10:29] <hey_boy> yes. the window comes up blank
[10:30] <karmic> i cant hibernate on karmic. any help?
[10:34] <Lazy> karmic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager there are some hibernating bugs, you could check if those problems are the same as you are experiencing
[10:43] <karmic> ok
[10:45] <hey_boy> How do I configure my display so that higher screen resolutions become available?
[10:46] <hey_boy> Right now there are two options available 800x and 640x
[11:11] <Spaceman> i'm using kubuntu 9.10 beta, I launched the updater but it didn't ask me for my password and when I tried to update it told me I didn't have permission, how do I update?
[11:13] <Spaceman> instead of using kpackagekit I ran sudo apt-get update and then upgrade, maybe this will be fixed when the updates are installed
[11:13] <Termana> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[11:28] <madmaxita> Hi all
[11:45] <vistakiller1> i think i have problem with nvidia driver in karmic
[11:45] <vistakiller1> i have enable compiz in kubuntu and i have many time crashes to xserver
[11:45] <vistakiller1> is freezes but it crash
[11:46] <vistakiller1> with funny colors and you cant see anything... :P
[11:56] <shawn_> How can I move the notification pop up (that displays when someone signs on from pidgin or printing etc)
[11:56] <ziroday> shawn_: you can't
[11:57] <Vaga> I have a realy strange problem with the latest ubuntu beta. The end key dos not work(home dos for those who thinks I should google it), and in vi, if I press END, 5 characters forward are switched from lover to upper case.... O.o
[11:57] <shawn_> ziroday Why does mine display half way down the screen?
[11:57] <ziroday> shawn_: because it was decided that was the best place to put it
[11:57] <shawn_> ziroday.... Why..? It's so much better in the corner
[11:58] <andrewaylett> My system freezes occasionally, not updating the screen and not responding to input or on the network.  I'm not sure how to start diagnosing the problem, beyond noting that it always seems to happen when I do something like press a key or move the mouse, I don't recall it freezine when I've been away from the machine.
[11:58] <ziroday> shawn_: you'll want to take a read through the ayatana mailing list archives. I didn't make the decision personally and I believe its being reinvestigated for lucid.
[11:59] <ziroday> andrewaylett: do the caps, scroll and num lock keys start blinking?
[11:59] <shawn_> ziroday I really hate where they put it.. Haha it bugs me... Now instead of being off to the side in the corner its right in the middle of my screen >.>
[12:00] <andrewaylett> ziroday: Not that I've noticed.  I only have a light for caps-lock, it's a netbook.
[12:01] <ziroday> andrewaylett: hmm, another option is after this has happened and you've had to force reboot take a look at your kernel /var/log/messages for error messages
[12:01] <ziroday> err for kernel error messages :)
[12:04] <vistakiller1> andrewaylett what gpu you have?
[12:04] <andrewaylett> ziroday, there's nothing unusual there -- the last message is a good few minutes before the freeze.
[12:04] <ziroday> andrewaylett: well there goes the limit of my debugging ability :)
[12:05] <andrewaylett> vistakiller1, a Via Chrome9.
[12:15] <janisozaur> er... the KarmicReleaseSchedule page points to kubuntu rc, I think it should point to regular ubuntu (just like all the other entries)
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> anyone have a link to setup your own ubuntu mirror?
[12:28] <RussellAlan> Lazy: appreciate it.
[12:43] <StrangeCharm> if i'm currently using the karmic beta, will a <sudo su && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade> update everything to the stable version, once that's released?
[12:45] <mohi> i can play any music in amarok in kubuntu. ity says too many errors in playlist and it stops!
[12:46] <hey_boy> how do I reconfigure my X window system so that I get higher resolutions. Currently I have only 800x and 640x available.
[12:47] <hey_boy> I am on Karmic with onboard intel 845 vga chipset.
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> StrangeCharm:  yes. thats one of the main features of the pacaktge manager system  the ability to update.. and dont use sudo su :) its better to use ' sudo -s'
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> StrangeCharm:  also you man want to apt-get dist-upgrade as well.
[12:49] <bensmith> i recently upgraded a test machine i have to karmic did they fix that hardware freeze bug
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> StrangeCharm:  i got all those commands in a script i just run  :) saves typing.
[12:50] <StrangeCharm> Dr_Willis, what's the difference between sudo su and sudo -s? what will dist-upgrade do for a beta->stable conversion that a simple upgrade won't?
[12:50] <bensmith> dist upgrade is safer
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> StrangeCharm:  sudo -s sets up the enviroment properly. forget you ever heard about sudo su :P
[12:50] <bensmith> checks for broken dependencies
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> dist-upgrade gets packages that may be held back also.
[12:51] <bensmith> wont upgrade a package if it will break your system
[12:51] <JoshuaL> i wonder if the final will have a nice grub layout instead of the 90's look :p
[12:51] <bensmith> afaik
[12:51] <bensmith> please correct me if im wrong
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> I always do an 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' daily while ive been beta testing.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> JoshuaL:  i doubt it.  Final should look very much like the RC.
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> !release
[12:52] <JoshuaL> to bad
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> I have a nice backgroung on my grub2 screen. :P
[12:52] <JoshuaL> the menu scares users imo
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> so hide it then.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> would you rather them have to rember to hit F8 at the proper time to do somthing Like windows wants?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> I got grub, xsplash, and gdm and my user all using the same exact wallpaper. :) looks much better then the brown splotch they got by default
[12:54] <bensmith> does the hardware freeze bug still happen
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> and yes - grub2 will be MUCH more themeable then grub ever was. its just a work in progress
[12:54] <JoshuaL> i would like to see something like: http://gabuntu.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/theme_ubuntu1_menu.jpg
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> bensmith:  what hardware freeze?
[12:55] <bensmith> Dr willis when i upgrade to karmic a ew weeks ago there was this serious bug where the mouse and keyboard would both lock up after maybe a minute or 2
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> bensmith:  never heard of it.. or seen anyone in here asking about it.
[12:56] <calm> hello
[12:56] <bensmith> i think it was the alpha 6 version
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Looks like GDM in 9.10 is still basically locked down
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> bensmith:  try the rc and see - thats the ultimate answer
[12:57] <calm> i was using evhz.c to check my current USB mouse polling rate in 9.04... it doesn't seem to work now in 9.10.. any ideas?
[12:57] <bensmith> i wipe dthe drive on that machine and reverted to the updated 9.04 version
[12:57] <bensmith> how log will it take me to upgrade to karmic this time
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> How long did it take last time? :)
[12:57] <hey_boy> Hello guys, I cannot set screen resolution in my 9.10 to above 800x (intel 845 onboard). Any ideas.
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> a lot will depend on server load and your pc.
[12:58] <bensmith> about  2 hrs
[12:58] <bensmith> download install restart
[12:58] <bensmith> everything
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> I just do clean installs.. seems to work much better then upgrades
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> a clean install  from boot up  to install done,  is proberly 20 min or less...
[12:58] <bensmith> i386 or amd 64
[12:59] <Dai> that's my plan for this evening
[12:59] <Dai> already got my lappy backed up
[12:59] <calm> anyone have any clues on my mouse issue? i can't find crap on google
[12:59] <Dai> bensmith: and for a clean install, it will take the same for either
[13:00] <bensmith> is it usb
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> I got a Grub2 setup flash drive.. i can just copy the ubuntu.iso to it and boot the iso now. :) i dont even have to use unetbootin, or the usb-disk-creator tool any more to install
[13:00] <Dai> "the mouse issue"?
[13:00] <Dai> bensmith: from cd
[13:00] <calm> i was using evhz.c to check my current USB mouse polling rate in 9.04... it doesn't seem to work now in 9.10.. any ideas?
[13:00] <bensmith> u can put grub 2 on a flash drive
[13:00] <RussellAlan> My biggest porblem with Karmic, from 9.04 +kde4. upgrade , was a spaztic mouse. would jump everywhere. Then finally yesterday I change the appearance properties, then restart it later in the day, and it had no taskbar or anything other then browser windows, then got othe programs to run.
[13:01] <RussellAlan> But Spaztic mouse = ... killer
[13:01] <Dai> bensmith: sure, i could, but i have no reason to
[13:01] <RussellAlan> maybe a complete fresh install will do the mouse issue in.
[13:01] <bensmith> no i should have put a question mark after that i am amazed u can do that
[13:02] <Dai> ah
[13:02] <HoopyCat> calm:  i would check with the folk(s) who wrote evhz.c and make sure it works with kernel 2.6.31... that's the most likely change that would impact it
[13:03] <calm> thanks hoopycat that's a good idea
[13:03] <shadeslayer> RussellAlan: i think theres a fix for that
[13:04] <shadeslayer> RussellAlan: this occured on my 8.10 install as well (on a XPS M1530)
[13:04] <RussellAlan> really now?
[13:04] <RussellAlan> The mouse issue?
[13:04] <RussellAlan> I think that's just paranormal, nothing else
[13:05] <shadeslayer> RussellAlan: no its happened before...
[13:05] <qos> hey guys. in gnome 2.28 there are always all my drives in the sidepanel in nautilus. even ssh and smb mounts ... of which i have many. in 2.26 these were not listed. how do i revert it back?
[13:08] <bensmith> bye thank for the suggestion dr willis
[13:08] <shadeslayer> RussellAlan: whats the touchpad make?
[13:08] <RussellAlan> shadeslayer:  i trust you.
[13:08] <RussellAlan> huh?
[13:09] <RussellAlan> Yes it is a laptop, docked. So you're saying maybe it's a laptop touchpad issue. Although it is random
[13:09] <RussellAlan> I could restart it over, sometimes different distance mouse jumps etc or sometimes I get lucky and it doesn't
[13:10] <RussellAlan> Night,
[13:14] <orient2000> .
[13:15] <Italian_Plumber> ..
[13:20] <qos> why does nautilus when ran as root automatic mounts all my drives? and without root it does not ... ?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. you can put grub1 and lilo, and syslinux.. and many other boot loaders on a flash drive. :)
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> qos:  you refering to windows vfat/ntfs fileysstems? If so install/run ntfs-config and tell it to allow users to access the filesystems
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> or add proper entries in /etc/fstab for any perment ntfs/vfat filesystems with the proper options
[13:23] <qos> Dr_Willis, i am refering to smb shares and sshfs. i can mount them manual as user without problems. but when i run nautilus as root they get mounted automatic. that is really annoying, because it can cause gvfs (imho) to stall... because it cannot find some of your shares in your current environment.
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> I would suggst never using nautilus as root for starters.. (it can cause all sorts of issues.)       Ive never seen running as root automount things not in /etc/fstab    then again using sudo sort of uses a mixture of the user and roots settings I think
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> could be the running of stuff via sudo nautilus, is restartung some disk-manager service thats rescanning and seeing the new  shaares/mounts
[13:25] <coz_> hey guys... any issues reported for no  alt+F2  ?
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> sudo nautilus most definatly did not 'auto mount' the sshfs bookmark i have.
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> well i gotta run. bbl
[13:26] <qos> Dr_Willis, I am not a starter ;) But sometimes i simply need a filebrowser running as root.
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> i use mc in a terminal withg a BRIGHT RED background. :)
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> for my root file manager
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> compiz has a feature to put ROOT: in the title of any wundow running as root also. :) thats a good idea
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[13:27] <qos> Dr_Willis, All my sshfs and smbfs are listed in /etc/fstab...
[13:28] <qos> Dr_Willis, tell me more about this compiz idea ;)
[13:33] <legend2440> coz_: check system>preferences>keyboard shortcuts make sure  Show the panels Run Application dialog box is set to  alt+f2
[13:34] <coz_> legend2440,  ok checking hold on
[13:35] <coz_> legend2440,  yep that was it   ..duh ... I didnt even think of looking there  as I usually do ...its going to be along day :)
[13:35] <choman> anyone here testing with a Dell Latitude D600?
[13:37] <abarbaccia> anyone on 64bit and having problems with audio popping and flash player not responding to clicks?
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> qos:  thers a compiz setting somewhere under ccsm to show ROOT:  in the title bar.
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> qos:  i just noticed it when i was exploring
[13:44] <aprilhare> hello
[13:45]  * aprilhare wonders: how do you go about reporting that a device doesn't work when it should? - my webcam doesn't work. i reported it as a bug on cheese but zero action. where do i go next?
[13:46] <drs305> Dr_Willis:   In gconf-editor:  /apps/compiz/plugins/titleinfo/screen0/options/show_root
[13:46] <aprilhare> no trace etc. how do i add a trace when the app doesn't crash?
[13:46] <ripps> does karmic come with a Mail Transfer Agent
[13:46] <drs305> But it's a compiz setting.
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> drs305:  yea. be nice if it was a normal gnome/metacity  setting but tahts proberly too 'complex' a setting for the gnome target audiance. :)
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[13:55] <legend2440> !mta | ripps
[13:57] <ripps> legend2440: that's what I thought... I was trying to submit a itp debian bug using reportbug, and everything seemed fine, but doesn't seem like it received anything. So I'm guessing it didn't work with my mta
[14:09] <astrojp> Hi. where do I go to report bugs (or just help out giving feedback) for the 9.10 release? I installed it last night. *So far*, the 9.10 release has fixed ubuntu from freezing up randomly *and* from stopped my audio files from giving out a popping sound. I do know this is a hellavu lot better than the 9.04 release. :)
[14:09] <bazhang> !bugs| astrojp
[14:09] <astrojp> bazhang: thank you.
[14:10] <bazhang> astrojp, no problem :)
[14:13] <pradeep> is it safe now to upgrade to karmic candidate release??
[14:14] <bazhang> pradeep, safest would be after release or even a week after
[14:14] <pradeep> bazhang: any serious problem's
[14:14] <pradeep> bazhang: can't wait !!
[14:15] <bazhang> pradeep, you know where to check for bugs, right?
[14:16] <pradeep> bazhang: I have not tested any beta yet
[14:17] <bazhang> pradeep, well it is the release candidate now, and around a week to release, I was responding to your 'is it safe' which varies according to your setup, hardware etc
[14:18] <pradeep> bazhang: Jaunty has not caused any problem's on my laptop till date
[14:23] <Dai> yeah, i imagine it would take something of immense importance to cause any sort of major change between now and release
[14:26] <mercutio22> Everytime I start evolution, a message pops up sayng "could not open www.google.com: Operation not supported". Why might that be happening? How can I fix it?
[14:27] <Italian_Plumber> sounds like a networking problem.
[14:27] <Italian_Plumber> open a console and type "ping www.google.com"
[14:27] <meanburrito920_> with the new grub2, how do i change the timeout? grub.cfg says I shouldn't edit the file directly\
[14:29] <pradeep> wats the procedure for upgrading to the release candidate. I have jaunty installed
[14:30] <Kris1> Anyone else have problems installing grub?
[14:31] <pradeep> wats the procedure for upgrading to the release candidate. I have jaunty installed
[14:31] <Dai> pradeep: format and install fresh.  it will hurt less.
[14:31] <Dai> back up everything you want to keep first, of course
[14:32] <mo0nykit> Question: Does nvidiafb support 16:10 framebuffer modes? Or are the supported modes dependent on the chipset?
[14:32] <pradeep> Dai: Installing all the packages all over again??
[14:32] <mbeierl> pradeep: upgrade can be done via: update-manager -d.
[14:32] <mbeierl> mo0nykit: modes are dependent on the chipset.  do you have grub2 installed?
[14:32] <pradeep> mbeirl:no fresh install needed rite
[14:33] <pradeep> mbeierl:no fresh install needed rite
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:33] <mbeierl> pradeep: if you want ext4 and clean install of grub2, then you will need to install fresh.  if you don't mind keeping your ext3 filesystem as it, then upgrade ought to work
[14:33] <mo0nykit> mbeierl: i see... i have seen my hwinfo --framebuffer, and there are no 16:10 modes available, so that means i'll have to concede :( How do I find out my grub version?
[14:34] <pradeep> mbeierl: you mean it's not safe??
[14:35] <mbeierl> mo0nykit: easiest way I can think of: ls -l /boot/grub.  If there's 10s of .mod files, you have grub2, if there's a menu.lst, it's grub 1 (0.97)
[14:36] <mbeierl> pradeep: I cannot say safe or not safe.  I did not upgrade.  I usually like to keep two root partitions and install the latest alphas on one and keep a stable on my other, with my data all being on a third partition
[14:36] <mbeierl> pradeep: so I did a fresh installation
[14:36] <mbeierl> pradeep: if you are concerned about doing an upgrade, wait until the release is announced.
[14:36] <mo0nykit> mbeierl: thanks for the tip. I have grub 1. What does grub 2 have to do with the framebuffer? You mean loading the necessary modules at boot time?
[14:37] <pradeep> mbeierl: Do you know how to extend the root partition?
[14:37] <brianV> hi all. I upgrades my 9.04 installation to karmic overnight, and am trying to check out Ubuntu One. I've created an account there, and started the client, but I see no way to log in / log out, add my machine, or do any of that
[14:37] <Heikki123> pradeep: you mean resize the partition? gparted / pareted
[14:38] <robotti^> hello?
[14:38] <mbeierl> mo0nykit: it's just got a handy tool for checking at raw startup what modes are truly available; vbeinfo is available at grub2 boot and it does not lie :)
[14:38] <Heikki123> but you need to do it when the root partition is not mounted. for example using the livecd
[14:38] <pradeep> Heikki123: Yes, how do i do it
[14:38] <robotti^> mbeierl: you are here now :D
[14:38] <Heikki123> pradeep: boot into livecd and run gparted
[14:38] <mbeierl> pradeep: gparted will grow/shrink partitions, yes.  What I did was not grow my partition, I created a second root partition
[14:38] <robotti^> mbeierl: I updated to 64-bit rc
[14:39] <mbeierl> robotti^: yes - I'm back now
[14:39] <robotti^> mbeierl: But there is same problem
[14:39] <robotti^> mbeierl: about wireless
[14:39] <mbeierl> robotti^: yay!  Were you the one with the bcm wireless?
[14:39] <robotti^> I suppose
[14:39] <robotti^> wait
[14:39] <mo0nykit> mbeierl: good to know that. i haven't upgraded to karmic yet. I'll wait for the official release.
[14:39] <pradeep> Heikki123:Will give a try
[14:39] <mbeierl> robotti^: ok, so system -> admin -> hardware drivers did not list any for you after you rebooted out of live CD
[14:40] <robotti^> AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x8D) Firmware Version:	Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[14:40] <robotti^> err
[14:40] <robotti^> It listed on installer
[14:40] <robotti^> and it activated on installer
[14:40] <robotti^> but after installer
[14:40] <robotti^> it does not activated
[14:40] <robotti^> same driver
[14:40] <mbeierl> robotti^: ok, are you in the installed OS now?
[14:41] <robotti^> And when I try manually, it bragging about there is no module wl
[14:41] <robotti^> no
[14:41] <robotti^> because there is know network connection
[14:41] <robotti^> my only connection is wireless
[14:41] <mbeierl> robotti^: is it possible to use a wired connection - oh.
[14:41] <robotti^> I am using now mac os x
[14:41] <robotti^> mbeierl: it works when using from live ubuntu
[14:41] <robotti^> from cd
[14:42] <mbeierl> robotti^: and that's where you are now?
[14:42] <robotti^> I am home
[14:42] <robotti^> and my connection is only wifi
[14:42] <mbeierl> robotti^: sorry - you are running the OS from the live cd?  (the installer disk?)
[14:42] <mbeierl> robotti^: of ubuntu?
[14:42] <robotti^> now I am using mac os x
[14:43] <robotti^> but I can boot on ubuntu linux from cd
[14:43] <robotti^> when running from cd wireless is working
[14:43] <robotti^> but on installed to hardrive and booted from here, it does not work
[14:43] <robotti^> not network connection on ubuntu then
[14:43] <robotti^> no
[14:43] <robotti^> :D
[14:45] <robotti^> mbeierl: I think it is about that, they are removing support for my wireless
[14:45] <mbeierl> robotti^: so, I think we had you note down the name of the module from lsmod when you booted into the ubuntu linux install cd, correct?
[14:45] <mbeierl> robotti^: no, I don't think so.
[14:46] <robotti^> It is old propetirery module?
[14:46] <robotti^> :)
[14:46] <robotti^> mbeierl: what is name of that module?
[14:46] <robotti^> mbeierl: I am not sure
[14:46] <mbeierl> robotti^: let me go back through the IRC logs to see - I think you mentioned it yesterday
[14:47] <robotti^> I think it was bluetooth module
[14:47] <robotti^> what I noticed
[14:49] <robotti^> mbeierl: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=418403 I might have same wireless as that guy
[14:49] <mbeierl> robotti^:  did you read this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/203819
[14:51] <robotti^> same problems
[14:51] <robotti^> I think there is no support when installed on hardrive
[14:51] <robotti^> maybe different kernel than on installer
[14:52] <mbeierl> robotti^: what I see is that there's a bug where they neglect to install the firmware onto the HD, but it is present in the kernel in the installer
[14:52] <robotti^> mbeierl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/443185 <-- same hardware
[14:53] <mbeierl> robotti^: the wireless card is basically a programmable device, and the firmware is the program that is written to the device to make it work.  Without the firmware on the hd, the wireless device is empty and does not know what to do after a reboot
[14:54] <robotti^> mbeierl: I copied that firmware on ubuntu
[14:55] <robotti^> but it does not load it I think
[14:55] <robotti^> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Jaunty <-- it works on jaunty
[14:55] <mbeierl> robotti^: it is particular about where it is put on the hd... oh ok
[14:55] <robotti^> but not so well on karmic koala https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-1_5-2/Karmic
[14:55] <robotti^> wrong
[14:56] <robotti^> mbeierl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook5-1/Karmic <-- that is for my laptop
[14:56] <robotti^> i have macbook 5,1
[14:56] <robotti^> :)
[14:56] <robotti^> works, with remarks
[14:57] <robotti^> but there is no help for setting that wireless
[14:57] <robotti^> it only say about works, with remarks
[14:58] <robotti^> how to contact mactel support?
[14:59] <mbeierl> robotti^: I do not know.  I'm using a Dell laptop :(
[14:59] <robotti^> Yep
[14:59] <robotti^> :D
[14:59] <mbeierl> robotti^: just to check - when you reboot into the installed kernel, can you check dmesg for firmware messages - like described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/203819/comments/18
[14:59] <robotti^> I have only interested if somebody has good how to for that wireless
[15:01] <robotti^> I must download those files on memory stick
[15:02] <robotti^> I do not have internet connection, without wireless
[15:02] <robotti^> :)
[15:02] <harikumar> my laptop is hp dv2 003 ax. with ubuntu 9.10, webcam is not  working
[15:02] <linny> anyone know where i can get a dl or torrent for 9.10rc i386 alternate
[15:02] <mbeierl> robotti^: actually the bug #443185 that you referenced earlier has an update as of 3 hours ago.  Maybe wait for the next RC to be announced, download that and give it a try.
[15:02] <robotti^> mbeierl: :D
[15:02] <bazhang> linny, let me check
[15:02] <AnxiousNut> which will be in karmic koala release, pidgin or epiphany?
[15:02] <robotti^> too bad I do not have any black cd-r:s
[15:02] <iceroot> AnxiousNut: epiphany
[15:03] <linny> bazhang: thanks
[15:03] <Italian_Plumber> <-- pidgin user
[15:03] <linny> me 2
[15:03] <mbeierl> robotti^: you can do livecds with usb sticks.  Do you have a usb stick?
[15:03] <AnxiousNut> iceroot: do you know which epiphany version?
[15:03] <robotti^> I have usb stick, but I am not sure how to format mac way that installer on usb stick
[15:04] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ linny scroll down for torrent
[15:04] <iceroot> !info epiphany karmic
[15:04] <iceroot> AnxiousNut: ok, it was another name
[15:04] <linny> bazhang: that page just times out for me thats why i was asking here
[15:04] <robotti^> mac efi supports mac os x filesystem with bootable system, if using their file systems
[15:04] <harikumar> i am having hp dv2-1003 ax lap. i installed ubuntu 9.10 and webcam is not working.
[15:04] <robotti^> but normal bootable cds will be just fine
[15:05] <bazhang> linny, let me try to dl one
[15:05] <linny> bazhang: could you get the torrent and send it to me please ?
[15:05] <harikumar> somebody help me.
[15:05] <linny> bazhang: thank you
[15:05] <robotti^> mbeierl: normal bootable usb sticks does not work on efi
[15:05] <harikumar> i am having hp dv2-1003 ax lap. i installed ubuntu 9.10 and webcam is not working.
[15:05] <harikumar> i am having hp dv2-1003 ax lap. i installed ubuntu 9.10 and webcam is not working.
[15:06] <harikumar> i am having hp dv2-1003 ax lap. i installed ubuntu 9.10 and webcam is not working.
[15:06] <genii> harikumar: Stop
[15:06] <bazhang> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-rc-alternate-i386.iso.torrent linny this one works fine
[15:06] <mbeierl> robotti^: wow - macbook is really insistent on working with only apple stuff, eh?
[15:06] <harikumar> thank you...
[15:06] <mbeierl> robotti^: well, good luck, and I hope the wireless gets fixed soon!
[15:06] <robotti^> mbeierl: now :D normal bootable cd:s work
[15:07] <robotti^> like windows installer cd, linux installer cd and freebsd
[15:07] <genii> harikumar: If someone knows an answer they will speak up. If no one knows, wait a while (not two seconds, more like 7-10 minutes) before asking the same question
[15:07] <linny> bazhang: thank you i get it the webpage wont load for me tho strange
[15:07] <linny> thanks alot
[15:07] <robotti^> but no support for usb when using something else than apple filesystems
[15:07] <robotti^> on booting
[15:07] <robotti^> I think
[15:07] <harikumar> okay,its my first chat session. sorry.
[15:07] <bazhang> linny, does the torrent dl for you?
[15:07] <linny> yes i got it thanks
[15:07] <bazhang> alright :)
[15:08] <mbeierl> robotti^: ah, ok.  well, wait for the next rc - in the meantime go get some more blank cds :(
[15:08] <robotti^> :D
[15:09] <linny> fast torrent too :) 5.35MB/s
[15:09] <robotti^> mbeierl: I am not sure. Yesterday I try it to boot from usb
[15:09] <robotti^> and nothing were happening
[15:09] <linny> i wish my prons came down that fast :P
[15:09] <astrojp> I am getting a crash report that says: 'Your system encountered a serious kernel problem. Your system might become unstable now and might need to be restarted. You can help the developers to fix the problem by reporting it.' It will not let me file the bug through Apport so I should use the command? 'ubuntu-bug linux' My computer just crashed and I lost all info that was currently running in my apps.
[15:10] <astrojp> Or do I need to try and get more info to send along with the bug?
[15:11] <astrojp> This is my 'test' machine so I want bugs. :)
[15:13] <nerdy_kid> anyone know how to fix strigi indexer?
[15:14] <astrojp> Never mind, I should read more. "The correct package for bugs about the kernel is linux".
[15:14] <harikumar> i am having hp dv2-1003 ax lap. i installed ubuntu 9.10 beta and webcam is not working.
[15:15] <harikumar> anyone know why
[15:16] <Lint01> Why the new login background is of such crappy quality?  It's 16-bit, my ass
[15:17] <HoopyCat> Lint01:  most likely because the team that designed it lacked your artistic vision and experience; perhaps you should volunteer for the 10.04 login screen
[15:19] <Lint01> it's not about 'artistic vision', it's about 65k colors instead of 16.8M
[15:21] <HoopyCat> Lint01:  i can't read their minds, alas, but you can probably find that team and research why they made that choice.  given the range of hardware that's out there, it was most likely a tradeoff for compatability or performance.
[15:21] <harikumar> does ubuntu 9.10 support HPdv2-1003ax laptop???
[15:23] <mbeierl> !hardware | harikumar
[15:24] <harikumar> hmm...i will check it out.thanks....
[15:26] <genii> !laptop
[15:31] <mbeierl> anyone know: is the boot progress screen really supposed to be just that small, monochrome circle-of-friends, or is there supposed to be a progress bar or something?  Just wondering if this is an upgrade vs. install or if what I'm seeing is expected
[15:31] <Berzerker> it's like that.
[15:31] <Berzerker> they completely rewrote GDM
[15:31] <Berzerker> more of a windows-esq loading scree now.
[15:31] <Berzerker> n
[15:31] <AceKing> Does anyone know why after upgrading to 9:10 my mouse would sometimes perform a double click when I single click? It only happens sometimes, but it's driving me nuts!
[15:31] <mbeierl> This is pre-gdm, no?  GDM shows up after that
[15:32] <Berzerker> well GDM + boot manager display
[15:32] <Berzerker> falls under GDM, for the D part.
[15:32] <harikumar> well, that didnt help me....i installed 9.10 beta and everythings working fine expect webcam and touchpad
[15:35] <harikumar> i installed 9.10 beta in my hpdv2-1003ax model lap and everythings working fine expect webcam and touchpad.
[15:39] <duffydack> no RC release ?
[15:39] <mbeierl> harikumar: that's why it's called beta...
[15:39] <astrojp> It looks like this bug is under 'KernelOops'. I see that it's already been filed by others. No necessarily my architecture but it looks like the bug has been reported and I do not want to file *another* report.
[15:39] <mbeierl> harikumar: so did you see your webcam model listed in the supported hardware list?
[15:39] <harikumar> pardon...
[15:39] <Berzerker> harikumar: try updating to the RC
[15:40] <harikumar> theres no model givel..its just hp webcam written next to it....and what is an RC?
[15:40] <mbeierl> harikumar: what I meant was it is called beta (or the latest is in Release Candidate status) because it still has known deficiencies
[15:41] <mbeierl> harikumar: RC = Release Candidate, a possible candidate version for the final official release
[15:41] <mbeierl> harikumar: go to a terminal (Accessories -> Terminal) and type lspci and see if the webcam is listed there
[15:41] <harikumar> where can i find rc?\
[15:42] <mbeierl> harikumar: it is now probably on the same server as the beta download
[15:42] <mbeierl> harikumar: however, simply doing an update will get you to the RC version
[15:42] <mbeierl> harikumar: are you familiar with update manager?
[15:43] <harikumar> i check for update every 5 hrs...i am familiar with 9.04,but its in my desktop.
[15:44] <harikumar> in terminal webcam is not listed
[15:44] <Berzerker> do a dist-upgrade right now
[15:45] <mbeierl> harikumar: lspci > device.list ; pasebinit device.list
[15:45] <mbeierl> harikumar: just curious...
[15:45] <mbeierl> harikumar: alternatively, maybe it's showing up under the usb bus?  lsusb?
[15:46] <mbeierl> harikumar: does the webcam work under Windows?  Maybe we can get the device name from there?
[15:46] <robotti^> :(
[15:46] <mbeierl> robotti^: oh, no.  What's up?
[15:46] <harikumar> yes it work fine with windows...'
[15:46] <robotti^> it does not work now
[15:46] <robotti^> I am little bit disaponted.
[15:46] <robotti^> maybe some sleep
[15:47] <robotti^> and more working with this problem
[15:47] <mbeierl> robotti^: still the wireless?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> hmmm a bit ot,but does anyone here have some experience writing docs?
[15:47] <mbeierl> shadeslayer: only functional specs and design specs for work... :(
[15:47] <shadeslayer> (documentation for gnome or kde)
[15:48] <robotti^> mbeierl: yep, too much work to me now
[15:48] <shadeslayer> mbeierl: im looking for someone who knows XML and works with docbooks :)
[15:48] <mbeierl> robotti^: but ... the possible fix is pending in a future release...
[15:48] <mbeierl> shadeslayer: definitely not me ....\
[15:49] <robotti^> mbeierl: future release? 10.04?
[15:49] <robotti^> :(
[15:49] <tolonuga> can someone tell me: is "hal" still installed on a normal ubuntu/kubuntu installation, and can it be used to get notifications (e.g. when a certain usb device was added)? the texts in the wiki talk about hal deprecation and move to other things.
[15:49] <robotti^> six months
[15:50] <mbeierl> robotti^: no, next couple of days.  The bug report that I looked at had an update with fix 3 hours ago.  This will be in the next RC, over the next couple of days
[15:50] <tolonuga> I don't want to move to udev, as udev has huge issues, and the udev developers told us to move to hal. so I wonder what to do if hal would be gone?
[15:50] <harikumar> leaving...
[16:02] <Dai> is anyone familiar with the inspiron 11z, specifically the touchpad?  none of the typical touchpad fixes seem to work in jaunty (for suspending the touchpad while typing), and my wife's on my butt about a fix for that :)
[16:15] <genii> Dai: You've tried this yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#Disabling%20the%20Touchpad%20Temporarily%20While%20Typing
[16:15] <Dai> i have, and it doesn't work
[16:15] <Dai> apparently it's an elantech touchpad which doesn't get detected as a touchpad at all
[16:16] <genii> So it sees it as a mouse?
[16:16] <Dai> yep
[16:21] <Dai> i think i might have found some information on it, apparently it's an issue with the new elantech driver not setting imps compatibility mode?  if that makes *any* sense to anyone
[16:26] <stefan_> hallo leute mein system 64bit karmic spielt MP3 FLV1 und FMP4 nicht mehr ab
[16:27] <stefan_> ich weiss nicht woran es liegt
[16:27] <bazhang> stefan_, English please #ubuntu-de for German
[16:27] <stefan_> oh sry
[16:27] <stefan_> i didnt see that this was english so:
[16:28] <cg> hello. where is the libstdc++-i386 ?
[16:28] <emilys> hi guys, im now using ubuntu nbr karmic. i wonder how can i enabling keyboard shortcuts, like for turning on/off wi-fi, bluetooth, touchpad. to save my battery life. oh, im on eee pc 1000HE. thank you
[16:28] <stefan_> my system karmic 64bit doenst play avi, MP3 and so on no more
[16:28] <cg> some of my software need it
[16:28]  * Blues-Man hello folks
[16:28] <bazhang> stefan_, did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras package
[16:28] <stefan_> yes
[16:29] <reagleBRKLN> using karmic and my system is stalling on an update to openoffice.org-emailmerge
[16:29] <bazhang> stefan_, what about w64codecs from medibuntu.org
[16:29] <reagleBRKLN> can't remove or install with dpkg as it just sits there
[16:29] <stefan_> what i did till now is: deleting all packages containing codecs and the programs which uses them and reinstalling all that stuff
[16:29] <stefan_> i already installed w64codecs from the repositoryx
[16:30] <cg> stefan_: you will find everything works if you install the package
[16:31] <stefan_> bit i installed it already and it doesnt work
[16:31] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, dpkg? from outside the package management system (ie a deb not from ubuntu repos)?
[16:31] <cg> im looking for libstdc++-i386. my computer is 64bit.
[16:31] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, what about apt-get
[16:31] <reagleBRKLN> no, it's standard repos
[16:31] <reagleBRKLN> same with apt-get
[16:31] <reagleBRKLN> in fact, started with apt-get, had to kill it, and try remove with apt-get and dpkg
[16:32] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, could you paste.ubuntu.com with the error message when you try to install something
[16:32] <reagleBRKLN> it just sits there forever: Removing openoffice.org-emailmerge ...
[16:32] <reagleBRKLN> i don't see a dpkg verbose option... so i could see whats happening
[16:33] <Martyn> Does anyone use Karmic + Gnome + Compiz + VNC?
[16:33] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, sounds like a bug; please pastebin the apt-get error message nonetheless
[16:33] <sep1318> is there something up with the kernel+ipw2200? neither kubuntu rc nor arch not gentoo want me to connect with WEP anymore, and it's worked perfectly...since edgy.
[16:33] <reagleBRKLN> bazhang: there is no error message
[16:33] <reagleBRKLN> it just sits there
[16:33] <Martyn> when I try Karmic (vs Jaunty) I don't get screen refreshes if I activate Remote Desktop (vnc)
[16:33] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, configuring?
[16:33] <Martyn> I just see the background image, but none of gnome-panel
[16:34] <reagleBRKLN> bazhang: yes, downloaded successful
[16:34] <Martyn> sep1318:  I had the same issue.  There is a change in the 2.6.30 kernel that caused this, it's not directly a 'Karmic' issue as much as it's an ongoing kernel bug that is being worked on in the community kernel
[16:35] <Martyn> sep1318: There is a fix posted to the LKML about three weeks ago, if you want to be brave and patch and rebuild your own kernel.  I do not think there is a launchpad bug against the issue yet though.
[16:35] <Martyn> So you may want to open a launchpad bug
[16:35] <sep1318> Martyn: thanks for comfirming my suspicion.
[16:36] <Martyn> sep1318 : No worries.   Not many people are using ipw2200 for some reason.
[16:36] <Martyn> (Which is strange, given how popular a wireless solution it is)
[16:36] <sep1318> well, that's what my card is, so i don't have much choice?
[16:36] <sep1318> yeah
[16:37] <reagleBRKLN> ah, appears my pgrep was causing problems with use of system pgrep (didn't use to exist), so moved my bin/pgrep to pygrep
[16:39] <reagleBRKLN> is there a utility for finding fastest repo mirrors? there used to be a debian one, but don't see it in karmic
[16:40] <bazhang> reagleBRKLN, in software sources?
[16:40] <bazhang> system administration software sources ?
[16:40] <reagleBRKLN> bazhang: to ping a list of mirrors, then update apt's sources
[16:41] <cabrey> hey guys, just updated my package lists and there is something wrong with the flash package and i can't install anything
[16:41] <cabrey> i even tried to force remove (--force-all) the package but dpkg still fails
[16:44] <Martyn> OUCH .. massive update today .. 110 packages.
[16:44] <JoshuaL> lol: http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/23/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-gives-windows-7-a-thumbs-up
[16:44] <bazhang> !ot
[16:44] <rafferty> hi all. Just booted karmic on a Thinkpad x200... no sound and no vertical trackpoint scrolling... any suggestions?
[16:45] <MinArtur> Âñåì ïðèâåò!!!
[16:45] <bazhang> !ru | MinArtur
[16:45] <MinArtur>  :)
[16:45] <Martyn> Pozhaulujsta MinArtur :)
[16:45] <Martyn> Dobry Dien.
[16:46] <Martyn> Wait, no .. _Spacibe_ .. not Pozhaulujsta.  Darn :)  My Russian is terrible.
[16:47] <MinArtur> à ïî ðóññêîì ìîæíî ïèñàòü?
[16:47] <Pici> English only here please.
[16:47] <bazhang> MinArtur, english only here
[16:48] <cabrey> i guess somebody removed the adobe-flashplugin from the repo ???
[16:48] <MinArtur> íå ÿ àíãëèéñêèé íå ïîíèìàþ òîëüêî íåñêîëüêî ñëîâ
[16:48] <cabrey> aptitude gives me "E: No downloadable files for adobe-flashplugin version <IP_ADDRESS>-2jaunty1; perhaps it is a local or obsolete package?"
[16:49] <jimpop> cabrey, why are you looking for jaunty pkgs?
[16:49] <cabrey> i'm not, somebody royally screwed up
[16:49] <jimpop> hmm
[16:49] <Pici> 'somebody'?
[16:50] <jimpop> i can test... 2 secs
[16:50] <cabrey> whoever maintains the package lists i guess
[16:51] <jimpop> geeze... update servers are slooooowwww today
[16:52] <cabrey> that's what happens when an RC is made available ;)
[16:52] <jimpop> d/l'ing a release file at 6.4Kbs
[16:52] <jimpop> :-)
[16:53] <jimpop> cabrey, I can confirm this.  Somebody screwed up the RC release file for the Partner source
[16:54] <cabrey> yea and I can't even get dpkg to fix this with all its forcing powers :|
[16:57] <Mesaph> hi. I need help installing ubuntu onto my netbook. I've downloaded the Karmic-Netbook release and prepared my usb stick to install linux from it. I am able to boot from it and i've selected the "install.." option, but it doesn't work. The Kubuntu logo appears, stays on the screen from about 30 seconds and vanishes. Then, for about half a second, some text is displayed (which i can't read, because it's gone too fast) and the display turns dark
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Mesaph: did you run the self usb check?
[16:58] <cabrey> Mesaph: what netbook & hardware?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Mesaph: also MD5SUM the iso
[16:59] <shadeslayer> !md5sum | Mesaph
[17:00] <Mesaph> Its the Medion E1212. The "Check Disk for defects" reported no errors.
[17:00] <nn__> clear
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Mesaph: iso m5sum correct?
[17:00] <nn__> im having problems with flash after last update...
[17:00] <shadeslayer> *md5sum
[17:00] <Mesaph> I'll check it
[17:01] <jimpop> nm__ welcome to the fray
[17:01] <nn__> ok so everyone is
[17:01] <jimpop> flash is borked in the RC release
[17:01] <nn__> ok
[17:01] <nn__> great
[17:01] <jimpop> if you delete the <IP_ADDRESS>-2jaunty1 pkg then you won't be able to easily get flash to work right now
[17:02] <darthanubis> flash works perfectly here
[17:02] <jimpop> yes,same here
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> works fine here also
[17:03] <jimpop> but if you update your repos you will see that it's no longer available and is now considered a local pkg
[17:04] <Mesaph> The md5 sum is correct
[17:06] <nn__> E: Error interno al abrir el caché (1). Por favor informe de este error. what is this? cant open synaptic!
[17:09] <reagleBRKLN> does the fuse module not come with karmic? trying to run encfs and it says module not found. running the -rt kernel right now
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> It is in the kenrel allready
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> not a module - last i looked
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> -rt could be different
[17:09] <reagleBRKLN> i only have a cuse.ko in /usr/lib/mod....
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> but i use fuse tools all the time - and i am very sure in this kernel its compiled in by default
[17:10] <Mesaph> If i try to start it without installing, there are quite a few errors like "[66.452705] SQUASHFS error: squashfs_read_data failed to read block 0x29562922"
[17:11] <reagleBRKLN> Dr_Willis: what is your path to fuse.ko ?
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> there is no fuse.ko - its BUILT into the kernel, not as a module
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> in older releases it was a module.
[17:11] <reagleBRKLN> oh, so why would encfs complain about not finding module
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> No idea unless its trying to load it whenb its allready loaded
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> sshfs, anbd other fuse tools work here for me
[17:12] <Mesaph> all the other errors are SQUASHFS errors, either
[17:12] <reagleBRKLN> ah, i see some of the encfs options have changed
[17:12] <Dr_Willis> ive never used encfs
[17:13] <reagleBRKLN> its my bad, need to do some encfs configing
[17:19] <octy> hi... o.O
[17:19] <octy> anyone has problems booting?
[17:19] <micro> hey what package should i use for pppd?
[17:20] <mac> is there any way to install ubuntu or any linux distro on a pc without cd player?
[17:22] <bazhang> mac, usb stick?
[17:22] <mac> no
[17:22] <mac> the pc is so old
[17:22] <mac> that it hasn' t any usb socket
[17:23] <mac> nor cd player
[17:23] <bazhang> mac, what system is on there now
[17:23] <mac> nothing
[17:23] <mac> but before
[17:23] <mac> there was windows 95
[17:23] <skreech> Argh
[17:23] <skreech> Everything is broken
[17:24] <skreech> Where everything is one thing that's really annoying :)
[17:25] <skreech> I don't have Vterms
[17:25] <mac> what?
[17:25] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation mac here are some options
[17:25] <skreech> alt+ctrl+F1 -F6 doesn't show anythign
[17:26] <Gratz474> Any of you guys use an intel card? I am curious if there is any tweaks I could do
[17:26] <Mesaph> anybody got an idea what i could try? I'd really like to try using linux, but if I can't even install it, I think i've got to use windows 7 again
[17:27] <Gratz474> scrolling for in in firefox isjust not quite as smooth as it is in windows
[17:27] <octy> :( i can't even install anything because /tmp is read only o.O
[17:27] <Gratz474> are there any tweaks I could do to make scrolling better?
[17:27] <bazhang> Mesaph, installing using unetbootin (usb stick)?
[17:27] <mac> no
[17:28] <cabrey> mac: that computer is probably so old that ubuntu won't even run well on it
[17:28] <cabrey> mac: try puppy or dsl linux
[17:28] <mac> but how can i install them
[17:28] <mac> ?
[17:28] <mac> on that pc
[17:28] <cabrey> mac: you'll have to ask them i suppose
[17:29] <Gratz474> is it possible to use intel drivers 2.7 ?
[17:30] <cabrey> Gratz474: why....?
[17:30] <Mesaph> bazhang: I've used the usb-creator.exe, as I'm using only windows machines at the moment.
[17:30] <bazhang> Mesaph, I've never had luck with usb-creator; there is a windows version of unetbootin iirc
[17:30] <Gratz474> cabrey, because its still not where it should be
[17:31] <bazhang> unetbootin.sourceforge.net if memory serves
[17:31] <cabrey> Gratz474: what does that mean? 2.9 is performing fantastically
[17:31] <Mesaph> thank you, I'll try it
[17:31] <Gratz474> cabrey, how can i see what version i am running?
[17:32] <bazhang> Mesaph, pendrivelinux website has some tutorials as well
[17:32] <cabrey> Gratz474: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel
[17:32] <soreau> Hello
[17:32] <Gratz474> 2.9.0 here is there a newer version at all?
[17:33] <cabrey> Gratz474: no, what's wrong with it?
[17:33] <Gratz474> cabrey, still not as good as xaa
[17:33] <cabrey> Gratz474: what does that mean? you're being very vague
[17:33] <Gratz474> cabrey, for a 865G it is not as good scrolling
[17:33] <Gratz474> firefox scrolling still is not *as* smooth
[17:33] <mac> is there any way to install ubuntu or any linux distro on a pc without cd player?
[17:33] <soreau> I was wanting to upgrade my Jaunty install to Karmic via chroot. I am chrooted into ubuntu now, what should I run to fully dist-upgrade it to Karmic?
[17:33] <mac> is there any way to install ubuntu or any linux distro on a pc without cd player?
[17:33] <Gratz474> cabrey, although from the uxa 2.8 stuff its miles ahead
[17:33] <cabrey> mac: does it have a floppy drive?
[17:34] <mac> yes
[17:34] <mac> but no netcard
[17:34] <bazhang> mac, check the link I sent you
[17:34] <Gratz474> cabrey, and i give them that for fixing it and making it usable but if i had xaa right now it would be much faster scrolling
[17:34] <cabrey> Gratz474: so why can't you use uxa accel method?
[17:34] <bazhang> there is an option for floppies
[17:34] <Gratz474> cabrey, I just answered you
[17:34] <mac> yes, but it hasn' t got any usb ports
[17:34] <mac> and an empty hd
[17:35] <cabrey> Gratz474: ok, do you use compiz?
[17:35] <Gratz474> cabrey, i am using 2.9 now, I guess i am using UXA by default
[17:35] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation  <--- mac
[17:35] <Gratz474> cabrey, I do it runs butter smooth
[17:35] <maco> mac: are you sure its a computer?
[17:35] <cabrey> Gratz474: yes you are, sorry forgot about that
[17:35] <cabrey> Gratz474: try disabling it
[17:35] <mac> yes, but it had winzozz 95
[17:35] <Gratz474> cabrey, the driver is almost perfect, i mean from 2.8 uxa miles ahead but i always want the best performance I can get
[17:35] <Gratz474> cabrey, does not help the scroling
[17:36] <mac> this is ok
[17:36] <cabrey> Gratz474: well you are limited by your hardware. anyways I have found FF on *nix to be terrible, have you tried chrome/chromium?
[17:36] <mac> bazhang<--https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies
[17:37] <soreau> Can someone tell me how to upgrade from jaunty to karmic from CLI (chroot)?
[17:37] <cabrey> soreau: update-manager -d?
[17:38] <soreau> cabrey: That will work without X running?
[17:38] <cabrey> oh wait that's GUI isn't it...
[17:38] <cabrey> soreau: you can change your sources.list to karmic and then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[17:38] <Gratz474> cabrey, with compiz disabled I would say its most likely just as good as xaa
[17:38] <cabrey> soreau: i can't guarantee it won't break anything
[17:39] <Gratz474> cabrey, what part of compiz is messing with my browser scrolling do you think?
[17:39] <soreau> cabrey: Heh, I did not know this before, but update-manager popped up a gui in my gentoo!
[17:39] <soreau> It's working now
[17:39] <Gratz474> cabrey, I mean compiz runs like butter here
[17:39] <cabrey> Gratz474: probably the fact that it's compositing wm, it's the idea of it at least
[17:39] <cabrey> Gratz474: do you depend on FF for its extensions or anything?
[17:40] <soreau> cabrey: I would have never thought it would work =)
[17:40] <Gratz474> cabrey, nope, but if i do turn off all effects my browsing is maybe 10 percent beteter
[17:40] <Gratz474> cabrey, its really not that bad to begin with
[17:40] <cabrey> soreau: i thought you said X wasn't running?
[17:40] <soreau> (now if only there was such a thing as chuser)
[17:40] <Gratz474> cabrey, but i always just want that 10 more percent
[17:40] <cabrey> Gratz474: try chromium. it doesn't hurt to try it IMHO
[17:41] <soreau> cabrey: X is not running for the ubuntu partition I am chrooted into
[17:41] <Gratz474> oh other browsers I have tried have been worse cabrey
[17:41] <soreau> cabrey: However it is running here on gentoo
[17:41] <soreau> cabrey: I didn't know gui apps could work through chroot this way
[17:41] <Gratz474> cabrey, is there any other better compisitng wm's other then the one that comes in gnome?
[17:41] <cabrey> Gratz474: but have you tried chromium? just tell me
[17:41] <Gratz474> maybe the xfce one? i heard that one was good ?
[17:41] <cabrey> Gratz474: metacity can be a compositing wm, but it's not that good imho
[17:42] <Gratz474> no but I have tried empiphany-webkit
[17:42] <Gratz474> cabrey, is that what I am running now ?
[17:42] <cabrey> Gratz474: chromium is _extremely_ fast. if you have compiz disabled, then yes, but you are in stacking mode
[17:43] <cabrey> Gratz474: to try metacity's compositing mode press alt-f2, then type in gconf-editor
[17:43] <Gratz474> cabrey, i meean everything runs super smooth even with compiz, just the scrolling is heh 10 percent less smooth, completely usable by all aspects I just would really like that 10 percent
[17:43] <cabrey> Gratz474: you've made your point, now I'm trying to help
[17:43] <Gratz474> cabrey, i thought i was already running the metacity compositor?
[17:44] <cabrey> Gratz474: no, metacity is a stacking wm by default
[17:44] <Gratz474> cabrey, so how am i running compiz?
[17:44] <cabrey> Gratz474: what? Compiz isn't metacity...
[17:45] <Sky_> hi, i created a usb ubuntu 9.10 usb disk from within the live cd, but i can't boot it, the menu works, but then nothing happens, after pushing F2 i see that its trying to open my cd device: /init: line1: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found
[17:45] <dooglus> hi.  I just used the 'software sources' tool to find the fastest repository.  it picked one that doesn't have karmic packages on it.  is there some way to find the fastest server that has karmic?
[17:45] <bazhang> Sky_, using unetbootin?
[17:45] <Sky_> i just used the boot usb creator
[17:45] <zash> compiz needs more tiling imho
[17:46] <mbeierl> dooglus: :)  That's too funny... sorry - can't help, but man! that's hilarious!
[17:46] <dooglus> Sky_: I had that one time.  pull out the usb stick and put it in again just as it starts looking on your hard drive I think I did?
[17:46] <dooglus> mbeierl: it's math.ucdavis.edu that's missing karmic
[17:46] <bazhang> Sky_, okay; I have not had good luck with that-- unetbootin is another option should you wish to try
[17:46] <Sky_> lol, now it boots, but it took about 5min to startup, with thousand errors about /dev/sr0
[17:47] <Gratz474> cabrey, what will enabling metacity do?
[17:47] <Gratz474> the composiitng factor of it ?
[17:47] <cabrey> Gratz474: just follow my directions. 1. Disable compiz. 2. Press alt-f2 3. Type in gconf-editor and press enter. 4. Tell me when you get there