[00:54] <ahoneybun> what is cmake?
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <dholbach> can somebody review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/FLAC/+merge/261062 please?
[07:55] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:55] <davidcalle> Hey dholbach, how are you?
[07:55] <dholbach> good good - how about yourself? :)
[07:55] <dholbach> davidcalle, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/FLAC/+merge/261062 :)
[07:57]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[07:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm fine, short night, but plenty of coffee helps :)
[07:58] <dholbach> davidcalle, did the rest of the family wake you up? :)
[07:59] <davidcalle> dholbach, yeah, Tristan has a difficult night, he only slept well between 6 and 8:30 ;)
[07:59] <dholbach> bah :-/
[07:59]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[08:00] <dholbach> take a nap together later on :)
[08:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, heh, that's a possibility :)
[08:00] <dholbach> some friends talked me into doing a detox/fasting week, it's like 5 or 6 of us and I'm very slowly finding my way into it - so no coffee for me :)
[08:07] <seb128> dholbach, no eating at all?
[08:08] <dholbach> seb128, just green smoothies
[08:08] <seb128> dholbach, lol
[08:09] <dholbach> I did that a couple of years back already... and it's interesting to note how you're not really hungry, but craving for stuff, like sweet stuff during the day or when you see people eating a pizza or something
[08:09] <dholbach> but it's all right - I feel like I'm coping quite well :)
[09:32] <t1mp> hello
[10:43] <nik90> kalikiana: ping
[11:06] <kalikiana> nik90: pong
[11:07] <nik90> kalikiana: hey, I am hitting a snag while using u1db query as a model in a listview that I like your help on.
[11:08] <nik90> kalikiana: the bug is that when I delete the last document, the listitem that displays it in the listview does not get removed
[11:08] <nik90> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/new-list-items/view/head:/app/worldclock/UserWorldCityList.qml
[11:09] <nik90> kalikiana: in lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/new-list-items, lets say you add 2 world cities...even if you delete both the world cities, the last one still remains in the list view and I cannot debug or understand why this happens
[11:10] <nik90> although when I look at the query results, it shows [] when all cities have been deleted
[11:10] <nik90> somehow the listview is bugging out
[11:10] <nik90> any ideas?
[11:15] <kalikiana> nik90: hmm the ListView model is based on the. results yet you delete getting the .documents from the query - not sure if that's it but I'd avoid dual code paths like that
[11:16] <nik90> kalikiana: I agree about avoid dual code paths..but we need the GenericTimeZoneModel c++ plugin to returns different world city timezones..
[11:17] <nik90> deleting the result from GenericTimeZoneModel will only remove the worldcity temporarily since u1db query is the one handling the data
[11:26] <kalikiana> nik90: but you're deleting based on the index from another model
[11:29] <kalikiana> nik90: as opposed to getting the docid from the "u1db" model
[11:29] <nik90> kalikiana: hmm true..I could delete it based on the docID perhaps
[11:32] <nik90> kalikiana: I will try that out after lunch and see if that works
[11:52] <mivoligo> nik90: hi, have you had a chance to ask the right people about that vibration settings?
[13:09] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i fixed all your remarks in the keyboard navigation branch. the failing test was really tricky, took me three hours to actually figure out what it was. Can i trust CI to run the AP test for me or should I go grab a coffee and let the entire suite run ?
[13:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, CI for webbrowser-app is broken these days (should be fixed when we sync back changes from wily into vivid, but we have to wait for the vivid-overlay freeze to be over)
[13:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, so please run the suite manually
[13:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[13:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, note that you can run it with autopilot3-sandbox-run, that will allow you doing other things while the tests run in a nested X server
[13:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: oh, that's cool. never knew i could do that. big life changer, thanks for pointing it out
[13:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, I discovered it myself not so long ago, big life changer indeed
[14:09] <nerochiaro> bfiller: trying to join but get bounced by hangouts
[14:19] <DS-McGuire> dholbach, I think this is better: http://imgur.com/l6lnmqj
[14:22] <dholbach> ah yes, that looks great
[14:22] <dholbach> do you think you could drop a mail to the ubuntu-phone mailing list or ask on G+ for feedback?
[14:22] <dholbach> just so we get an idea?
[14:22] <dholbach> I need to relocate, brb
[14:28] <sverzegnassi> +1 for the icon! I like it!
[14:32] <DS-McGuire> I will do that now!
[14:34] <nik90> mivoligo: Yes I asked SDK developers kalikiana about the SDK components being connected to the "Enable Other Vibrations" settings in the systems settings app. It has been connected for a while it seems.
[14:34] <nik90> kalikiana: I reason I asked you yesterday ^^ is because that settings option doesn't seem to have any effect on apps.
[14:35] <DS-McGuire> https://plus.google.com/112369892362587560507/posts/a3iep1CvoVY
[14:35] <nik90> kalikiana: if for instance you disable "Enable other vibrations" and then use a AbstractButton in an app, it still vibrates when you press it.
[14:36] <nik90> mivoligo: lets discuss this with kalikiana before filing a bug against the appropriate package
[14:37] <nik90> DS-McGuire: that looks good. Have you tested it on Unity8 itself to see how it looks in the app scope?
[14:47] <svenbo> Hello! Can sombeone help me installing UCS? I still have some trouble using it.
[14:53] <nik90> svenbo: Hi there, what trouble are you facing when installing UCS?
[14:53] <nik90> svenbo: Did you add the PPA and install ucs?
[15:03] <DS-McGuire> Here is the fixed version: http://imgur.com/DnagBAv, nik90 I haven't. I have no way of doing so.
[15:16] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: tests that work normally with autopilot fail on the sandbox run
[15:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, how do they fail?
[15:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: in a very "normal" way, like some strings are not as expected, etc.
[15:20] <nik90> DS-McGuire: The icon size ratio seems better now
[15:20] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I think so too, I am glad someone pointed it out.
[15:21] <nik90> DS-McGuire: How do you test the help app?  I just want to see if I can run it via QtCreator on my phone
[15:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11567560/
[15:21] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: same tests succeeds when ran normally from cmd line
[15:21] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, have you tried re-running them (in the sandbox runner) individually, do they fail consistently?
[15:22] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, and do they fail in trunk too?
[15:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: they don't exist in trunk
[15:22] <oSoMoN> ah, right
[15:22] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: let me try running them indiviually
[15:23] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: fail individually too
[15:23] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, could it be that the sandboxed runner has issues with key combinations like Ctrl+L ? I suggest you ask someone from the autopilot dev team, it might be a known bug
[15:24] <oSoMoN> (that would be unfortunate, but at least it would allow us to discard a bug in the code)
[15:25] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, the flake8 test is failing on your branch
[15:25] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i need to set commit hooks that check flake8, i keep forgetting
[15:26] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: pushed fix
[15:27] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: asking elopio in ci-eng
[15:27] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Do you have the latest branch? If you do follow the instructions in the "Hacking" file. I couldn't get it to run in the QT creator.
[15:29] <nik90> DS-McGuire, dholbach: I am getting the following error when trying to run on phone via QTC,
[15:29] <nik90> Loading module: 'libubuntu_application_api_touch_mirclient.so.2.9.0'
[15:29] <nik90> /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher: unrecognized option '--www=www'
[15:29] <nik90> /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher: unrecognized option '--inspector'
[15:29] <nik90> Ignoring argument:  "$@"
[15:29] <nik90> WWW folder not found or not a proper directory:  "/opt/click.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntucoredev/0.4/www"
[15:29] <nik90> I followed the HACKING guide
[15:31] <popey> nik90: Exec=webapp-container $@ www/index.html
[15:31] <popey> i use that now, was told that's the way to do it
[15:31] <nik90> popey: ah ok..will modify the desktop file and try now
[15:33] <nik90> hmm strange I get permission errors when I try running after http://paste.ubuntu.com/11567885/
[15:34] <dholbach> nik90, did you use 'make launch' or something like that?
[15:34] <dholbach> nik90, which release are you on?
[15:34] <nik90> dholbach: I am trying this out on Trusty. I first did "make app" and then open the file in QtC where I got the "WWW folder not found error"...
[15:34] <nik90> dholbach: then I tried "make launch" before finally trying popey's suggestion
[15:35] <nik90> when I started getting the permission error
[15:35] <dholbach> ah, maybe trusty is the problem :-/
[15:35] <dholbach> alexabreu, dbarth_: would the following be a problem that comes from using trusty?
[15:35] <dholbach>  /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher: unrecognized option '--www=www'
[15:35] <dholbach>  /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-app-launcher: unrecognized option '--inspector'
[15:35] <nik90> dholbach: but since I use QtC doesn't it use the chroots for building and installing on phone?
[15:35] <dholbach> nik90, which relevant PPAs do you use?
[15:36] <alexabreu> dholbach, not at all, ... they come from qtubuntu
[15:36] <nik90> dholbach: the standard sdk ppa and also the core-apps-ppa/collection that I read in the HACKING guide
[15:36] <alexabreu> dholbach, I have a fix for them, but they should be considered no-ops
[15:36] <alexabreu> dholbach, I have to ping some guys for a review for that
[15:37] <nik90> dholbach: no worries, I will check it out on a vivid install as well
[15:37] <rpadovani> popey, mzanetti no reminders meeting today? :-)
[15:37] <dholbach> nik90, I never used QtC for hacking on the help-app - do you get the same issues when you run everything on the terminal?
[15:37] <dholbach> alexabreu, do you have a link for that?
[15:38] <alexabreu> dholbach, https://bugs.launchpad.net/platform-api/+bug/1244616
[15:38] <alexabreu> dholbach, its an oldie, ... I have to re MR it
[15:38] <nik90> dholbach: "make click" seems to have built a 0.4 click..I will try installing and running it on the phone.
[15:38] <nik90> dholbach: but "make launch" opened the app on my trusty desktop though
[15:38] <nik90> although with really old tab designs
[15:38] <popey> rpadovani: ooh, sorry, was afk
[15:38] <dholbach> alexabreu, cool
[15:39] <dholbach> nik90, maybe we need to change something to make it work in QtC?
[15:40] <dholbach> alexabreu, thanks a lot for looking into it
[15:40] <popey> rpadovani: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/reminders/com.ubuntu.reminders_0.5.448_armhf.click
[15:40] <nik90> dholbach: could be a trusty issue since the click package that I built using "make click" fails to run on the phone..similar to the QtC run
[15:40] <alexabreu> dholbach, this is quite often a source of confusion
[15:40] <dholbach> nik90, hum........
[15:41] <mzanetti> rpadovani, popey, I'm on hols today. I think there's another branch to be reviewed. Fixing a critical. Could go into the release IMO. Other than that, I think we need translations.
[15:41] <popey> ah okay
[15:41] <dholbach> nik90, any error messages when you run 'make click'? can you pastebin?
[15:41] <popey> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/store-local-resources-in-infofile/+merge/260990
[15:41] <popey> that one?
[15:41] <mzanetti> popey, yes
[15:41] <nik90> dholbach: let me branch it again and start fresh without involving qtc..one min
[15:41] <popey> mzanetti: ok, go back to holiday, I'll deal with it. thanks :)
[15:42] <dholbach> thanks nik90
[15:44] <nik90> dholbach: with a fresh branch, running "make app && make click", I am able to install and run on the phone properly. So no modifications to the desktop file
[15:45] <dholbach> <3
[15:45] <dholbach> maybe we need a bug to make it work properly with the QtC
[15:45] <nik90> DS-McGuire: give me a min to try out your new icon and paste a screenshot of it in the app scope
[15:45] <nik90> dholbach: yes, I will report it in a few mins once I get the necessary logs to help debug it.
[15:46] <dholbach> thanks a bunch
[15:46] <nik90> np
[15:47] <nik90> dholbach: quick question, where do I place the app icon so that it gets picked up?
[15:47] <dholbach> nik90, ./static/app/help.svg
[15:48] <nik90> ah thnx
[17:23] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Any luck?
[17:29] <nik90> DS-McGuire: I installed it, but it still uses the old icon for some reason
[17:29] <nik90> DS-McGuire: can you send me the svg file? I used the png file from the imgur link
[17:35] <DS-McGuire> Sure. How should I send it?
[17:35] <DS-McGuire> nik90, ^^^
[17:36] <nik90> DS-McGuire: dropbox share or just an email I guess to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:36] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I'll email it now.
[17:37] <nik90> thnx
[17:39] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Do you want it cropped into the ubuntu shape or not? I forget which needs to be used for the icon.
[17:39] <DS-McGuire> I will just send both in fact.
[17:40] <nik90> DS-McGuire: the one without the ubuntu shape..Unity8 will automatically crop it
[17:40] <DS-McGuire> nik90, That's what I thought... ;)
[17:45] <nik90> DS-McGuire: they seem to be empty svg files
[17:46] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Open them in inkscape? I don't think IOG likes svgs...?
[17:46]  * nik90 tries
[17:47] <nik90> yeah you're right..strange
[17:49] <nik90> DS-McGuire: hmm ..even unity8 also displays an empty icon..despite me cross-checking the svg file on inkscape
[17:50] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I must have done something wrong. I am going to make some food and I will see what's up when I get back. If you get it working let me know. :)
[17:50] <nik90> DS-McGuire: same..need to grab dinner :)
[17:50] <nik90> DS-McGuire: be back in an hour
[17:50] <DS-McGuire> o/ nik90
[17:50] <nik90> o/
[18:11] <nik90> balloons: Did you rerun certain clock app mps on vivid? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-clock-app-vivid-amd64-ci/7/console
[18:15] <balloons> nik90,oi
[18:16] <balloons> nik90, vivid gave ci trouble, so ap tests are disabled for now. Your stuff should pass jenkins
[18:32] <dkessel> does any know how to set the touch emulator to landscape mode, so one can test tablet apps?
[18:37] <DanChapman> dkessel try Ctrl+F12
[18:38] <balloons> dkessel, no idea.. never tried actually, heh
[18:38] <DanChapman> dkessel: i just found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator#Keyboard_Commands
[18:39] <dkessel> DanChapman: yup, google tries to lead me there, too... however that wiki page always generates a HTTP 500 error for me :/
[18:40] <dkessel> let's see if that changes anything for my app
[18:40] <DanChapman> dkessel: http://i.imgur.com/z5tTufE.png :-D
[18:41] <dkessel> perfect, ty DanChapman :)
[18:41] <DanChapman> np
[18:41] <dkessel> however, maybe i need to implement something in the QML app so it properly gets rotated
[18:49] <dkessel> DanChapman: i don't think those orientation keyboard shortcuts (the ones with Ctrl) do anything anymore
[18:49] <dkessel> i would except the default news app to properly react to landscape mode. but i could be wrong, too...
[18:57] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I have fixed the issue :)
[18:57] <DS-McGuire> Resending the image now
[20:06] <mivoligo> nik90: thanks for taking care of the issue :)
[20:21] <svenbo_> Can somebody explain me how to use the PageWithBottomEdge? I want to change the headerstate of the page when the BottomEdge is opened.
[20:21] <nik90> svenbo_: Did you read the documentation of the UCS website for the PageWithBottomEdge?
[20:22] <svenbo_> http://ubuntu-component-store.readthedocs.org/en/latest/_components/pagewithbottomedge.html#property-documentation That one?
[20:22] <nik90> svenbo_: yes
[20:22] <svenbo_> Yes, I did. I tried to use bottomEdgeReleased
[20:23] <nik90> svenbo_: renatu is the person who created that component. May be he can help
[20:24] <svenbo_>     PageWithBottomEdge {
[20:24] <nik90> DS-McGuire: https://imgur.com/rqADFrm
[20:24] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Do you think that looks good?
[20:25] <DS-McGuire> Thanks for the screen shot by the way.
[20:25] <nik90> DS-McGuire: I am comparing it with other app icons atm
[20:25] <DS-McGuire> Sure :D
[20:28] <nik90> DS-McGuire: I think the icon size can grow a tiny bit more to make it more legible..if the icon detail is high, it may be missed out at small sizes
[20:29] <nik90> DS-McGuire: for instance the tiny border ropes for instance are barely visible unless I really focus on them
[20:29] <nik90> but the colors and the idea seems good
[20:30] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I can do that. I am always trying to stick to the ubuntu guidelines when designing stuff however if need be I can not stick to them.
[20:31] <nik90> DS-McGuire: may be you can leave the tyre size the same and just increase the size of the boundary ropes to make them slightly more apparent
[20:32] <nik90> DS-McGuire: like http://www.psdgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/help-icon.jpg for instance
[20:33] <nik90> balloons: I know for a fact that clock app AP tests fail due to some upstream AP bugs after the transition to the 15.04 framework. Is it still wise to merge them?
[20:34] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I will take a look at it. Increasing the entire ring is the easiest to do. Those ropes are actually bars and the ring is supposed to look like it sits on it.
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: for instance ahayzen did some AP adjustments in the music app https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/refactor-bump-framework-1504/+merge/258126 which I am unable to bring over to the clock app
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: which is also the reason for AP tests are failing in the MPs I proposed
[20:35] <nik90> DS-McGuire: ah ok
[20:36] <DS-McGuire> nik90, I will take a look at it though. I have my membership meeting coming up in 25 minutes :)
[20:36] <nik90> DS-McGuire: oooh awesome..good luck
[20:36] <DS-McGuire> nik90, Thanks :)
[20:37] <balloons> nik90, well, since we sadly can't guarantee stability, I guess you can merge. Ideally you wouldn't knowingly merge things that break; but then again, you won't be holding this feature based on testing issues would you?
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: ideally I wouldn't but I have been taught to not merge stuff that fail AP tests :) hence the concern
[20:48] <renatu> svenbo_, try change it on "onActiveChanged" from bottom edge page
[20:51] <nik90> mzanetti: hey you updated Fahrplan in the store. Nice!
[20:52] <nik90> mzanetti: one thing though, you might want to post updated screenshots and also ensure the screenshots interfaces are in English to make it appear applicable to everyone
[21:01] <mzanetti> nik90, fancy creating some screenshots?
[21:01] <nik90> mzanetti: my pleasure ;) give me a few minutes
[21:02] <balloons> nik90, it's not great, but it's the decision that has been undertaken. If you know it breaks the tests I
[21:02] <balloons> it's in your hands whether or not you want to merge it. We'll work on getting things running again, somehow, soon
[21:04] <nik90> balloons: ack. Either way I cannot merge my MPs until after popey pushes a clock app update to the store which should happen soon after OTA-4 is released. So I will try my best to get those AP issues resolved before making the decision to merge or not.
[21:05] <nik90> balloons: Personally after working with QA for some time now, I feel really guilty to go ahead with the merge with failing AP tests ;) ..  I haven't seen them before on bahn.de either
[21:23] <nik90> :)


[09:51] <mup> PR snapd#12490 opened: o/snapstate: do not infinitely retry when an update fails during seeding <Bug> <Pulse> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12490>
[11:32] <mup> PR snapd#12491 opened: systemd/emulation.go: use `systemctl --root` to enable/disable <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12491>
[11:47] <mup> PR snapd#12488 closed: wrappers: use sorted services for consistent test output <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12488>
[12:22] <mup> PR snapd#12485 closed: HACKING.md,CODING.md: add a coding/review checklist for the project  <Documentation> <Skip spread> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12485>
[13:37] <mup> PR snapd#12435 closed: many: fill always offset information in VolumeStructure <Run nested> <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12435>
[13:59] <dob1> still on firefox, there is no way to view photo with system handler.... I am not using gnome.... this is the problem is all gnome-centric
[14:01] <dob1> what I mean is for example gmail, I upload a photo I want to see it, I can't....
[14:06] <ogra> file bugs ... i dont think any of the firefox packgagers are around here ... (perhaps in #ubuntu-desktop though)
[14:16] <dob1> do you suggesto to ask there?
[14:16] <dob1> *suggest
[14:16] <ogra> you could try ...
[14:20] <dob1> I try
[14:22] <mup> PR snapd#12492 opened: tests/main/lxd: fix a check <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12492>
[17:03] <mup> PR snapd#12493 opened: boot,overlord: add system option that appends kernel parameters <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12493>
[19:57] <mup> PR snapcraft#4016 opened: Freeze ruff version <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4016>
[20:13] <leftyfb> So I currently have the orphaned snap mount issue. Is there a bug for this that I can watch and/or a quick way to resolve it other than rebooting?
[20:13] <leftyfb>  /var/lib/snapd/snaps/lxd_24164.snap (deleted) on /media/leftyfb/disk type squashfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,uhelper=udisks2)
[20:13] <leftyfb> the mount shows up on my dock. I can mount and unmount it even though /var/lib/snapd/snaps/lxd_24164.snap doesn't exist
[20:15] <leftyfb> To be clear, I can mount /var/lib/snapd/snaps/lxd_24164.snap by clicking on the icon in my dock. Trying to mount from a terminal doesn't work as /var/lib/snapd/snaps/lxd_24164.snap doesn't exist
[20:28] <leftyfb> losetup shows /dev/loop25 as being deleted. losetup -d has no affect on it.
[20:33] <leftyfb> this is the closest bug I can find https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1841137
[20:33] <mup> Bug #1841137: /dev/loopX devices left around for removed snap revisions <snapd:Confirmed for zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1841137>


[12:26] <daker> hi
[14:55] <trijntje> Hi all, is it possible for launchpad to show all untranslated strings from string X onwards? Adding &start=X to the url does not work, as this only shows untranslated strings from untranslated string X onwards
[20:46] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[20:47] <kosaidpo> while follwin that class on ubuntu room to make my first gpg key i came to the last step but i forgot my keypass is there anyway to get it back txn
[23:13] <oojah> One of my PPA builds seems to keep reseting - moving between "started X seconds ago" and "starting in X minutes". Is this normal? I've not seen it before.
[23:14] <wgrant> oojah: Which build?
[23:14] <oojah> On radium
[23:14] <oojah> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mosquitto-dev/+archive/mosquitto-ppa/+build/1908965
[23:14] <oojah> I wouldnt
[23:14] <oojah>  discount shoddy packaging on my part causing problems.
[23:15] <wgrant> Argh :(
[23:15] <wgrant> World is broken again.
[23:15] <lifeless> wgrant: ?
[23:15] <lifeless> wgrant: will it recover or do we need to phone a friend^W^W^Wwake a sysadmin
[23:15] <wgrant> I think we may have a broken build.
[23:16] <wgrant> I'll see in the next couple of minutes.
[23:16] <wgrant> (causing most dispatch runs to fail, eliminating the chance of the build farm doing any work)
[23:16] <lifeless> I'll eyeball back here in 10 or so
[23:16] <wgrant> lifeless: Yeah, it's broken. Can you see buildd-manager logs?
[23:17] <lifeless> no
[23:17] <wgrant> It should be a pretty obvious error.
[23:17] <wgrant> :(
[23:17] <lifeless> or at least
[23:17] <lifeless> I don't know
[23:17] <lifeless> wgrant: so, will it recover?
[23:17] <wgrant> lifeless: No.
[23:17] <lifeless> ok, starting escalation
[23:18] <wgrant> There is a broken build that needs to be cancelled.
[23:18] <lifeless> this needs losa/gsa right ?
[23:18] <wgrant> Yep.
[23:18] <wgrant> It's a master issue.
[23:19] <lifeless> pinged in our is channel
[23:19] <oojah> So... not my fault?
[23:20] <wgrant> oojah: Heh, no.
[23:20] <oojah> :)
[23:20] <wgrant> Well, hopefully not :P
[23:20] <wgrant> We'll see once a sysadmin appears.
[23:20] <lifeless> if theres not response I'll escalate to phone in a bit
[23:20] <oojah> I'll maybe disappear before then.
[23:20] <oojah> fwiw, I'm in no rush for builds.
[23:20] <wgrant> If you watch most of the builders (eg. https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/uranium, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/americium) you'll see that they never remain dispatched for more than ~15 seconds.
[23:21] <lifeless> bigjools has added a basic circuit breaker for this in the next release
[23:21] <wgrant> It's doubly-mitigated in the new code.
[23:22] <wgrant> Oh, no, the second mechanism won't quite fix this.
[23:22] <wgrant> But at least a single failed dispatch won't kill the whole farm: just one builder.


[10:56] <ev> cjwatson: will do
[12:16] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1151 ubuntu/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): merge lp:~smoser/debian-installer-utils/lp912431
[12:21] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1152 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.88ubuntu2
[12:22] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1091 hardy-proposed/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): Add --quiet to dpkg-divert calls in chroot_setup.
[12:24] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1092 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.50ubuntu6
[12:25] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1130 lucid-proposed/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): Add --quiet to dpkg-divert calls in chroot_setup.
[12:26] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1131 lucid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.72ubuntu5.2
[12:27] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1137 maverick-proposed/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): Add --quiet to dpkg-divert calls in chroot_setup.
[12:28] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1138 maverick-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.79ubuntu1.2
[12:29] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1144 natty-proposed/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): Add --quiet to dpkg-divert calls in chroot_setup.
[12:30] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1145 natty-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.82ubuntu1.2
[12:30] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1147 oneiric-proposed/ (chroot-setup.sh debian/changelog): Add --quiet to dpkg-divert calls in chroot_setup.
[12:32] <CIA-10> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r1148 oneiric-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.84ubuntu1.2
[12:32] <cjwatson> Note to self: get SRUs right the first time.  It's a lot less tedious that way.
[17:46] <CIA-10> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1608 ubuntu/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.2.0-8 kernels.
[17:49] <CIA-10> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1609 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu97
[19:07] <bdmurray> cjwatson: is bug 911052 related to bug 442941 at all?
[19:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911052 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed upon choosing not to restart" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911052
[19:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 442941 in ubiquity "debconf failed to upgrade from 1.5.27ubuntu1 to 1.5.27ubuntu2: exit status 128 - Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442941
[19:49] <cjwatson> bdmurray: hard to say, since the latter is more of a symptom than a cause
[19:49] <cjwatson> I'm sure this doesn't help though:
[19:49] <cjwatson> Jan  3 00:07:42 ubuntu apt-setup: warning: /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/generators/40cdrom returned error code 1; discarding output
[19:49] <cjwatson> I guess it might be confused by the space in the path just above, or something
[19:51] <bdmurray> cjwatson: reading 442941 I got the feeling a lot of things could produce those messages
[19:52] <cjwatson> ayup
[19:52] <cjwatson> it means "my client fell over", roughly
[19:53] <bdmurray> cjwatson: oh this line "E: Could not open file /cdrom/Misc Stuff/Home/.local/share/mime/Packages.gz - open"
[19:54] <cjwatson> right
[19:54] <cjwatson> so maybe that results in junk down the debconf protocol fds and then it gets confused from then on, or something
[19:55] <cjwatson> it's basically at least half a day per bug to diagnose this kind of thing accurately :-(


[00:18] <Quintasan> ScottK, Riddell: Is there any possibilty do run tests requiring running X session in buildd's?
[02:23] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  Using xvfb.
[02:27] <Daskreech> Does anyone use the netbook workspace?
[02:27] <Daskreech> have you ever tried the lock buttong?
[02:27] <Daskreech> Button?
[02:27] <ScottK> Daskreech: WFM.
[02:27] <Daskreech> Hmm
[02:27] <Daskreech> ok
[02:27] <ScottK> I'll try it again later, I'm on my laptop now.
[02:28] <Daskreech> ok
[05:36] <ScottK> Daskreech: Verified working here.
[05:37] <Daskreech> ScottK: Thanks
[05:45] <apachelogger> ScottK, Daskreech: that feature will not work if krunner is not running
[05:45] <Daskreech> apachelogger: orly?
[05:46] <apachelogger> locking is managed by krunner whereas shutdown is handled by the kde session manager
[05:46] <apachelogger> why krunner would not be running I do not know though
[05:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have unbroken kde on arm yet? ;)
[05:48] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Any reasoning behind that?
[05:50] <apachelogger> Daskreech: why krunner is not running?
[05:51] <Daskreech> Why Krunner is the owner of that task instead of the session manager
[05:51] <apachelogger> because it got nothing to do with session management really ;)
[05:51] <apachelogger> session management = in or out, not lock
[05:52] <Daskreech> ok
[05:52] <Daskreech> why is krunner = lock?
[05:52] <Daskreech> Does it also do user switching?
[05:53] <apachelogger> yes
[05:53] <apachelogger> type lock in krunner :P
[05:53] <apachelogger> or new session
[05:53] <apachelogger> although actually I am not entirely sure about new session
[05:53] <apachelogger> krunner is at least invovled because it also locks on new sessin
[05:53] <apachelogger> +o
[05:53] <Daskreech> apachelogger: I also type in Shutdown when I want to shutdown in krunner
[05:54] <apachelogger> that calls out to ksmserver though
[05:54] <Daskreech> I wouldn't expect that because I start somethien with Krunner it's inextricably linked
[05:54] <Daskreech> Most people start Ksysguard from krunner but it's more linked to kwin than it is krunner
[05:54] <Daskreech> anything else that krunner controls ?
[05:55] <apachelogger> it doesnt control it, it just handles the request
[05:55] <Daskreech> I'm more likely to have krunner on than plasma so I'm not really bothered much by it
[05:56] <apachelogger> but let me look at the codez to make sure I am not telling bogus stories here
[06:02] <apachelogger> Daskreech: locking is definitely handled by krunner, which provides the dbus interface for screenlocking it woudl appear
[06:02] <apachelogger> the actual locking is done by kscreenlocker
[06:02] <Daskreech> ok
[06:02] <apachelogger> (which actually is part of krunner source though)
[06:02] <Daskreech> ha ha ok
[06:02] <Daskreech> thanks
[06:03] <apachelogger> shutdown operations are handled by the ksmserver
[06:03] <Daskreech> that I expect
[06:03] <apachelogger> new session is also handled by krunner but actually carried out by kdm
[06:04] <apachelogger> so krunner just interfaces with shutdown/new session but provides locking
[06:04] <apachelogger> supposedly because locking is a rather simple task and not worth getting its own independent service
[06:05] <apachelogger> whereas session management also includes stuff like session restoration and app killing on exit
[06:05] <apachelogger> and well, the new session stuff needs to be handled by kdm anyway as it requires starting a new X, which only the desktop manager can do
[06:06]  * apachelogger notes that locking is actually done via the same interface as starting the screensaver
[06:06] <apachelogger> and that interface is a freedesktop one it would appear :D
[06:06] <apachelogger> org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver
[06:07]  * apachelogger did not know that
[06:07] <maco> two computers i regularly interact with are broken for locking
[06:07] <maco> my laptop doesnt unlock
[06:07] <maco> and my desktop at work doesnt lock!
[06:07] <maco> well, i can force it too, if i call the binary directly with --force
[06:07] <maco> but the button doesnt work
[06:08] <apachelogger> maco: is krunner runner?
[06:08] <apachelogger> what button actually?
[06:08] <apachelogger> unlocking is probably a PAM issue btw
[06:08] <maco> apachelogger: the logout/shutdown plasmoid i put in the panel
[06:08] <maco> or the logout button when i type it into the plasma netbook launcher
[06:08] <apachelogger> yeah, that wont work if krunner is not running
[06:08] <maco> ooooh
[06:09] <apachelogger> see above :P
[06:09] <maco> krunner doesnt run by default in 10.10
[06:09] <maco> at least not on plasma netbook
[06:09] <apachelogger> sounds like a bug
[06:09]  * apachelogger only has a 11.04 netbook these days
[06:09] <apachelogger> maco: surely SRUworthy
[06:10] <apachelogger> given that we have the shutdown/lock applet in the netbook by default
[06:10] <maco> i dont think an sru could fix it
[06:10] <apachelogger> well
[06:10] <apachelogger> depends on why it is not started ;)
[06:10] <maco> because its not in autostart
[06:10] <apachelogger> so why could we not SRU that?
[06:10] <maco> all you have to do is go toggle the checkbox
[06:10] <maco> because autostart settings are per-user
[06:10] <maco> so i guess an sru could fix it if you create a new user after installing updates
[06:11] <apachelogger> eh?
[06:11] <apachelogger> why is it turned off for the user?
[06:11] <apachelogger> that does not even make sense :O
[06:13] <apachelogger> maco: any clues where that is coming from?
[06:13]  * apachelogger suspects ubiquity
[06:13] <maco> apachelogger: system settings -> startup & shutdown -> autostart
[06:13] <apachelogger> well yes
[06:13] <apachelogger> but by default (meaning upstream) krunner is not in there
[06:14] <apachelogger> the only way it would show up in there is if the krunner.desktop file for autostart is in .local/share/autostart
[06:14] <apachelogger> which should not be the case unless the user actually put it there
[06:14] <maco> oh hmmm
[06:14] <apachelogger> (usually kde autostart services are /usr/share/kde4/autostart)
[06:14] <maco> yeah im looking on my plasma-desktop laptop, and its not listed in htere yet krunner is running
[06:15] <apachelogger> expected default behaviour
[06:15] <apachelogger> maco: was that a straight install of 10.10 or upgrade?
[06:15] <maco> straight install
[06:15] <apachelogger> hm
[06:15] <apachelogger> absolutely weird
[06:15] <maco> there's no /usr/share/kde4/autostart on this natty machine
[06:16] <apachelogger> whoops
[06:16] <apachelogger> /usr/share/autostart
[06:16] <apachelogger> sry
[06:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not afaik.
[09:01] <bambee> morning
[09:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: no you can't run X in the build daemons
[10:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: Urgh, is that reason good enough so we can skip tests in qtmobility?
[10:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: Good morning anyways
[10:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: worth a shot :)
[10:06] <apachelogger> who makes tests that fail without X? :O
[10:06] <Quintasan> Well then, to the bug report!
[10:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: qt-mobility
[10:06] <apachelogger> silly
[10:07] <apachelogger> absolutely silly
[10:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: They want an working X session :O
[10:07] <Quintasan> s/working/running
[11:01] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: hey!! apachelogger has a bigger laptop than mine :P
[11:03] <debfx> bug #400851 still needs SRU verification on lucid
[11:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: whut?
[11:04] <shadeslayer_> uh .. eh .. my facebook is all broken
[11:04] <apachelogger> are we having a size contest? :O
[11:04] <shadeslayer_> probably because Apple is launching a new MBP
[11:04] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: dude, your laptop was HUGE
[11:04]  * apachelogger likes big things
[11:05] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFpq9WXbJo&feature=player_embedded
[11:06] <apachelogger> pr0n?
[12:05] <debfx> Quintasan: do the tests that don't require X pass?
[12:16] <Quintasan> debfx: then no point doing tests
[12:17] <debfx> Quintasan: why? some tests are better than no tests
[12:25] <bambee> a core dev could merge this patch for me in lp:language-selector ? http://paste.kde.org/5743/
[12:25] <bambee> as I said in the changelog, on tab change it disable and uncheck "installable components" which otherwise is confusing
[12:26] <bambee> disables *  / unchecks *
[12:35] <Riddell> debfx: looks like our pyqt ARM problems are from dropping qreal_float_support.patch when it wasn't upstream
[12:46] <debfx> Riddell: doh, no idea what made me think it was upstream :/
[12:49] <Riddell> debfx: quilt can be confusing like that
[12:51] <Quintasan> Riddell, debfx: bug #676512 closed
[12:53] <Quintasan> I'll look at upstream's packaging later and see what the hell they are doing there
[12:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: yay, thanks for doing that
[12:55] <Quintasan> cool
[12:55] <Quintasan> sponsorship request filled in
[12:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: :)
[13:05] <debfx> Riddell: the current qtwebkit snapshot is from the qtwebkit-2.1.x branch, right?
[13:06] <Riddell> debfx: yes
[13:12] <debfx> aha, symbian is the only officially supported platform for 2.1, that's why they haven't backported the linux crash fix
[13:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: But he wasn't listing all the time.  Must be that fresh mountain air in Austria.
[13:18] <Riddell> debfx: ug, that's really worrying
[13:19] <Riddell> debfx: where do you get that?
[13:43] <debfx> Riddell: http://qtwebkit.blogspot.com/2011/02/week-05-updates-on-qtwebkit-stable.html
[13:45] <Riddell> debfx: hmm
[13:47] <jjesse> a
[13:47] <Riddell> debfx: we should probably talk to upstream about what we should ship
[13:50] <debfx> indeed
[13:50] <debfx> shadeslayer: which qtwebkit versions does rekonq support?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> debfx: more like, what kdewebkit versions :)
[14:04] <shadeslayer> debfx: we depend on KDE 4.5 right now ... so whatever kdewebkit version was shipped with that
[14:05] <debfx> shadeslayer: well kdewebkit is just a wrapper around qtwebkit, right?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> debfx: sort of ... more like overloaded qtwebkit function
[14:05] <shadeslayer> i've never gotten the term wrapper classes around my head
[14:12] <debfx> so it doesn't have any qtwebkit version requirements?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> well
[14:15] <shadeslayer> debfx: it also depends on Qt 4.6
[14:15] <shadeslayer> so you could call that a requirement
[14:15] <shadeslayer> but no qtwebkit requirements as such
[14:16] <bambee> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/WebKit/Library => apparently a kde binding for a better integration of webkit in kde
[15:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: FYI, currently raising a ruckus in the ubuntu-arm meeting re gcc 4.5 and Qt.
[15:18] <debfx> Riddell: "2.1 is targeted at symbian and is not being activelly tested on other platforms."
[15:19] <debfx> so I guess we're going to ship 2.1~really2.0
[15:22] <ScottK> 2.1~really2.0becausenokiaonlycaresaboutsymbian
[15:23] <shadeslayer> aye ^^
[15:28] <debfx> + non-existent release management
[15:30] <debfx> they haven't published a single qtwebkit tarball (except some weekly snapshot in the past)
[15:33] <debfx> there isn't even a tag for 2.0.1
[15:37] <ScottK> BTW, looks like we might have a fix for the kdebindings problem on armel.
[15:39] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[15:39] <agateau> Riddell: I am about to release a new dbusmenu-qt,
[15:40] <agateau> Riddell: it does not link to libQtXml anymore, do you think I need to bump the sonumber?
[15:49] <agateau> Riddell: nevermind, got answer from #kde-devel
[15:52] <ScottK> agateau: What was the answer?
[15:54] <agateau> ScottK: no need to bump the sonumber as long as it does not expose QtXml directly
[15:55] <ScottK> Makes sense.
[15:55] <agateau> ScottK: if an app used libQtXml but did not explicitly link to it, it may break though, but that is considered as a bug in the app
[15:55] <ScottK> agateau: Yes.  That's definitely true.
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you get an action item out of it?
[16:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's in doko's hands now to fix gcc 4.5 (patch is available).
[16:10] <ScottK> Action item to doko in an arm meeting won't help.
[16:10] <apachelogger> ok
[16:10] <debfx> agateau: with the natty toolchain changes those apps fail to build anyway
[16:11] <ScottK> If it's not fixed next week, I'll bring it up at the platform team meeting (his boss runs that one).
[16:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[16:11] <agateau> debfx: ok
[16:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok :)
[16:11]  * apachelogger needs to get n900 platform integration into the archives :S
[16:12] <ScottK> Not that his boss telling to do something actually results in something getting done on any consistent basis  mind you, but it helps.
[16:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you know anything about progress on mobile images from seed?
[16:12] <ScottK> Waiting for LP changes.  I think Riddell knows about it.
[16:13] <apachelogger> mhh, lots of hold ups :/
[16:13]  * apachelogger continues vlc hacking
[16:16] <Riddell> agateau: what are you planning for n900?  what are you waiting on?
[16:17] <agateau> Riddell: I guess you mean apachelogger
[16:17] <Riddell> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~jr/launchpad/kubuntu-mobile/+merge/49622 got merges, do you know why there isn't a kubuntu-mobile task on e.g. nodm?
[16:17] <Riddell> oh aye
[16:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: what are you planning for n900?  what are you waiting on?
[16:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: waiting on images to clean them out, waiting for gcc to get working KDE
[16:19] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger: Is our n900 kernel in?  I've lost track.
[16:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: rejected
[16:19] <apachelogger> some ABI foo I believe
[16:19] <apachelogger> did not yet look into it
[16:19] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:19] <apachelogger> maybe persia did?
[16:19] <ScottK> need to get on that then.
[16:20]  * apachelogger is busy polishing phonon backends for consolidation releases
[16:52] <agateau> Riddell: new libdbusmenu-qt is out
[16:53] <agateau> Riddell: there are two interesting things for you:
[16:53] <agateau> Riddell: 1. no more depends on libQtXml
[16:53] <agateau> Riddell: 2. the kmenu title distro patch can be dropped
[17:05] <Riddell> agateau: kmenu title distro patch?
[17:05] <agateau> Riddell: you remember the story about dbusmenu-qt and copyright assignment, right?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> afiestas: could you mind poking your head in #kubuntu for a while if you're around?
[17:06] <agateau> Riddell: kmenu title was implemented by an external contributor, who declined to sign the ca
[17:06] <Riddell> oh aye
[17:06] <agateau> Riddell: so it was removed from upstream tarball and distro-patched back in
[17:06] <agateau> Riddell: I rewrote it so the feature is back upstream
[17:06] <agateau> in a intellectual-property-clean way
[17:07] <afiestas> shadeslayer: just join the channel,  I'm working though so I may have some delay :p
[17:07] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[17:18] <ScottK> agateau: It was always intellectual property clean.  What it was, was not ridiculous Canonicla internal policy clean.
[17:19] <agateau> ScottK: I am not allowed to say so on a public channel, but I may think this :)
[17:19] <ScottK> I understand.
[17:28] <ScottK> Riddell: You may want to join #kde-sysadmin.  They're discussing tarball layout for 4.6.1.
[18:18] <apachelogger> lulz
[18:18]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK
[18:24] <Riddell> new upstream tar setup for a stable release, makes me cry
[18:25] <Riddell> bambee: I uploaded l-s by the way
[18:26] <bambee> Riddell: thanks. arrf I opened a merge, I close it
[18:27] <Riddell> rbelem: I made some changes to kdenetwork/CMakeLists.txt and changed samba/filepropertiesplugin/sambausershareplugin.cpp to use PackageKit instead of KPackageKit, would be good if you could review
[18:27] <rbelem> Riddell: cool :-)
[18:28] <rbelem> Riddell: are they at git and svn?
[18:28] <rbelem> ops..
[18:28] <rbelem> svn
[18:28] <rbelem> :-D
[18:29] <Riddell> svn
[18:29] <rbelem> Riddell: lets ask sysadmin guys to move the fileshare stuff to git
[18:29] <rbelem> what do you think?
[18:30] <Riddell> rbelem: it should stay with kdenetwork and make the change along with kdenetwork
[18:30] <rbelem> Riddell: oki
[18:30] <Riddell> no point separating it from there
[18:30]  * rbelem is git svn rebasing
[18:33] <rbelem> brb
[18:44] <OchoZero9> how do i get a second monitor hooked up to my laptop
[18:44] <OchoZero9> ?
[18:45] <Riddell> OchoZero9: support in #kubuntu
[18:46] <OchoZero9> Sorry I thought i was there
[18:46] <OchoZero9> xchat cuts half the channel off
[18:46] <debfx> hm why is libkutils4 a "transitional package" but still contains libkutils.so.4.6.0
[18:47] <debfx> ah the library is kept for ABI stability
[18:48] <Riddell> debfx: yes I think it's empty and just links to the new libraires that it got split into
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah^
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> brb
[18:50] <Riddell> qt in the cloud fail, the compile took up the entire 10GB disk space
[19:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is yer kdm kns patch coming along?
[20:06] <apachelogger> http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc-bindings/libqtvlc.git;a=summary <-- latest adventures :D
[20:13] <bambee> nice :)
[21:46] <wgrant> Riddell: It's merged, but won't be deployed to cocoplum for another two weeks... unless you complain a lot.
[21:47] <wgrant> Riddell: cocoplum is one of three machines that we can't deploy every day right now :/
[21:52] <Riddell> wgrant: right, should be ok
[21:56] <wgrant> Riddell: Actually, the next deployment is on the 3rd.
[21:56] <wgrant> So less than a week.
[22:01] <Riddell> lovely


[11:37] <zniavre> hello
[11:37] <zniavre> gnome-look.org seems to be down . right ?
[20:04] <swalko> thorwil: hi
[20:05] <thorwil> hi swalko
[20:06] <swalko> thorwil: right now i finished one icon
[20:06] <swalko> thorwil: i upload it on the wiki now
[20:23] <thorwil> swalko: do you have a shot of the oxgen calculator for comparison?
[20:24] <swalko> thorwil: no
[20:24] <swalko> thorwil: but my icon is based on oxygen calcutor
[20:25] <swalko> thorwil: but very modified
[20:25] <swalko> thorwil: and optimized for smaller sizes
[20:25] <thorwil> swalko: anyway, the overall impression is good, but the gradient makes it look like the whole surface is curved
[20:26] <thorwil> i would leave the lcd ghost segments out or make them subtler
[20:26] <thorwil> _MMA_: ^
[20:27] <swalko> thorwil: now i kicked out that gradient
[20:47] <swalko> thorwil: nowi reduced gradients, cleared and optimized 128x128 and 48x48 size and uploaded to wiki
[20:53] <thorwil> swalko: seems something went wrong. i only see a _huge_ help-about
[20:53] <SiDi> Lol me too
[20:53] <SiDi> I've been shocked by its size, though
[20:53] <swalko> thorwil: wait now i uploaded that
[20:53] <swalko> thorwil: second
[20:55] <swalko> thorwil: done
[20:55]  * thorwil wants multiple-files at once upload on the wiki
[21:11] <thorwil> swalko: i still see that overly strong grey gradient
[21:11] <swalko> thorwil: :)
[21:11] <thorwil> swalko: you should do something about the edges, to show that they are rounded
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: i may
[21:13] <swalko> thorwil: but not today
[21:14] <swalko> thorwil: may i found somewhere script that will export all icon sizes from my svg?
[21:15] <thorwil> swalko: there's a script for exporting all sizes from the whole tree of icons
[21:15] <thorwil> gotta run, good night!
[21:15] <SiDi> i agree with thorwil : you should set a darker edge and reduce the gradient
[21:15] <SiDi> good night thorwil
[21:16] <swalko> thorwil: i try to find, good nigh


[11:40] <jtaylor> how do you suspend in the new gnome shell?
[11:42] <jtaylor> I guess only via systemctl suspend ._.
[12:41] <azaki> jtaylor: hm, that doesn't sound right. =o
[12:41] <jtaylor> I cant find a gui button for it :(
[12:41] <azaki> usually when you click the power off button it should ask you if you want to restart, shutdown, or suspend i believe.
[12:42] <azaki> (the power button in the top right corner menu)
[13:37] <jtaylor> its just cancel restart and shutdown
[13:39] <oerheks> add the shell extention https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+source/gnome-shell-extension-suspend-button
[13:40] <oerheks> suspend itself can give issues, maybe that is why it is not included to prevent headaches
[17:13] <brunch_> jtaylor: hold the shutdown button in the gui
[17:13] <brunch_> it switches to a pause button
[17:14] <jtaylor> wow thats real intuitive ...
[17:14] <brunch_> I know right! :D
[17:14] <jtaylor> why would I click the shutdown button when I want to suspend?
[17:14] <brunch_> I accidentally discovered it
[17:15] <jtaylor> I'm not even going to test that before I want to turn my pc off for today :/
[17:16] <jtaylor> but thanks


[12:08] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[12:47] <tuxedo_kamen> hi everyone
[12:48] <tuxedo_kamen> listen, I have a quick question about translating a specific line, can anyone help me with it?
[12:49] <tuxedo_kamen> it is "translator-credits", should I translate to my language or credit me in there?
[12:50] <kiko> tuxedo_kamen, the latter.
[12:50] <kiko> there's a bug on handling that properly, though.
[12:50] <tuxedo_kamen> sorry, I am not a native english speaker, what does "latter" mean?
[12:52] <kiko> tuxedo_kamen, credit yourself in there :)
[12:56] <tuxedo_kamen> oh, ok
[12:56] <tuxedo_kamen> thanks
[01:09] <k3kc1k> need free psy BNC
[01:16] <kiko> huh?
[01:19] <k3kc1k> kiko
[01:19] <k3kc1k> a a
[01:19] <k3kc1k> ?do you know what is PsyBNC ?
[01:20] <Seveas> k3kc1k, please leave, this is a development channel, no one hands out bouncer accounts here
[01:20] <kiko> no, no clue
[01:23] <k3kc1k> Seveas
[01:24] <k3kc1k> but I realy need it now
[01:24] <Seveas> k3kc1k, then find it somewhere else
[01:24] <k3kc1k> Seveas
[01:25] <k3kc1k> can you help me ?
[01:25] <Seveas> as I said: no, I can't, no one in here can
[01:25] <kiko> where's Keybuk
[01:25] <k3kc1k> could you tell me where I can Find it ?
[01:25] <Seveas> no, now leave
[01:25] <k3kc1k> ok
[01:25] <k3kc1k> Thanks !
[01:27] <Keybuk> kiko: hmm?
[01:29] <Keybuk> kiko: what's up?
[01:30] <kiko> Keybuk, oh, just knew that you're a ChanServ-friend
[01:30] <kiko> might have needed your services
[01:31] <kiko> Seveas, what are bouncer accounts?
[01:31] <Seveas> a bouncer is an irc proxy
[01:31] <Keybuk> I don't on this channel
[01:31] <Seveas> very popular among script kiddies, that''s why i was sort of unfriendly
[01:31] <Keybuk> it's you and SteveA I think
[01:31] <Seveas> kiko, /cs access #launchpad list
[01:31] <Keybuk> anyway, he clearly wanted dircproxy
[01:31] <Seveas> hehehe
[01:34] <kiko> Keybuk, Seveas: everybody is level 30
[01:35] <kiko> thanks.
[01:35] <Seveas> haha
[02:17] <lifeless> spiv: ping
[01:04] <Mez> can somone please explain what soyuz is?
[01:12] <lifeless> moinmoin
[01:12] <lifeless> Mez: its the distribution management suite in launchpad
[01:13] <Mez> lifeless... fair enough
[01:18] <lifeless> thats 'linux distribution' I should say, not 'distributed networking' or anything like that.
[02:24] <highvoltage> hi. i'm not very familiar with cvs. how would i enter these sources: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/project/web-svn.html, in https://launchpad.net/products/learnlinux/+series/0.1/+source
[02:25] <highvoltage> ?
[02:26] <Alinux> hi people, I'm Georgian Team Translator and need help. I've have aredy translated totem, but there is an error in translation...how can I search the word...without "Next 10" or "Last" are there some other better method tu manage everything...it's so slow :(
[02:27] <Alinux> someone who can help me?
[02:30] <bob2> highvoltage: might be easier to get whoever is in charge of learnlinux to do it
[02:30] <highvoltage> bob2: ok, i'll try that.
[02:32] <Alinux> hi people, I'm Georgian Team Translator and need help. I've have aredy translated totem, but there is an error in translation...how can I search the word...without "Next 10" or "Last" are there some other better method tu manage everything...it's so slow :(
[02:32] <mdke> you can;t
[02:33] <mdke> oh yeah, you can download the po file and search for it
[02:33] <mdke> then upload it
[02:33] <mdke> but you can't do it yet in rosetta
[02:34] <Alinux> mdke, :( very bad
[02:34] <Alinux> very hard in this way.
[02:35] <mdke> hmm
[02:35] <mdke> they are fixing it
[02:36] <Alinux> mdke very good then :D
[02:40] <kiko> it will be spec'ed this week
[02:41] <Alinux> oooh finally!
[02:41] <Alinux> D
[02:42] <SteveA> kiko: where are you, man?
[02:43] <kiko> SteveA, found two gina bugs that require a database change. will be down in about 15m, sorry
[02:43] <SteveA> k
[02:43] <kiko> btw, SteveA, are you telus or are you ubuntu?
[02:45] <SteveA> telus
[02:45] <SteveA> on level 2
[02:54] <highvoltage> how do i know where my karma comes from? launchpad gave me karma and i don't hava an idea what i've done to deserve it :)
[02:56] <zyga> highvoltage: click on the karma link on the right
[02:57] <highvoltage> it just shows a bug i logged, do you get karma for bugs too?
[03:02] <SteveA> kiko: so, where are you?  we should meet up
[03:04] <highvoltage> kiko: you're the openoffice guy, right? or is that doko?
[03:11] <lifeless> you want doko I think
[03:12] <kiko> SteveA, going down
[03:22] <stub> Bah. That email was supposed to go to lifeless, not launchpad :-(
[03:23] <sivang> Rehi all
[03:25] <koke> hey, who did launchpad-integration?
[03:26] <ajmitch> sivang & seb128, iirc
[03:27] <sivang> ajmitch: jamesh wrtote the acutal basis library
[03:27] <ajmitch> ok
[03:33] <koke> it isn't in rosetta for translating it
[03:33] <mdke> known problem
[03:33] <mdke> i think carlos is working on it
[03:34] <koke> ok, I've the translated po file ready
[03:35] <Kinnison> hey dudes
[03:36] <sivang> Kinnison: Hey Daniel, I'll get you the hebrew learning kit on the break
[03:37] <Kinnison> coolio
[03:37] <jbailey> https://launchpad.net/sprints/ubz gives me a "RequestExpired" A server error occured.  Is this a side effect of LP going down, or should I file a bug?
[03:38] <Kinnison> jbailey: Umm, I think that's to do with session affinity
[03:38] <Kinnison> jbailey: if you force-reload does it go away?
[03:39] <jbailey> Yes.
[03:39] <jbailey> Is there anyone to turn this into a useful report?
[03:39] <mdke> i get that all the time saving translations
[03:40] <highvoltage> i got it a few times yesterday and twice today while editing my profile in launchpad
[03:41] <fabbione> guys do you know laucnhpad is down?
[03:42] <koke> fabbione: "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in two minutes."
[03:42] <fabbione> ok
[03:44] <SteveA> stub: hello
[03:45] <SteveA> stub: kiko and i will be demoing launchpad in 2 hours' time, for about 30-45 minutes
[03:46] <kiko> Kinnison, ping?
[03:47] <kiko> anyone seen the wonderful Kinnison from hell
[03:48] <SteveA> he's in the love day
[03:50] <Kinnison> kiko: Nope, I've not seen me this morning
[03:50] <Kinnison> s/$/*/
[03:50] <Kinnison> [*]  May be a lie
[03:50] <Kinnison> yes, stub can delete the archive off staging
[03:51] <Kinnison> I'll have to set things up on drescher, and may need elmo to do a mkdir or two for me, but I'm sure it won't be too hard
[03:52] <kiko> Kinnison, you ROCK
[03:52] <kiko> Kinnison, where are you right now? Can you take a look at bug 3537?
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable
[03:52] <kiko> oh foo
[03:52] <kiko> anyway
[03:53] <kiko> mdz reported it and I want to decide whether i worry about it or not
[03:57] <mdz> kiko: if mdz reported it, someone should worry ;-)
[04:00] <Kinnison> kiko: I'm in the love meeting
[04:03] <kiko> Kinnison, can we talk for a bit?
[04:04] <kiko> I'll go and try and find you
[04:06] <kiko> Kinnison, walk out the door of the room and around to the hall on the far side of this floor
[04:11] <Kinnison> with or without laptop?
[04:11] <kiko> either :)
[04:14] <highvoltage> they're talking about launchpad now?
[04:15] <kiko> they seem to be
[04:15] <kiko> elmo?
[04:17] <lifeless> SteveA: how long till lp comes back ?
[04:18] <lifeless> bah
[04:18] <lifeless> stub: ^^^
[04:19] <stub> I think it is on the last table, so maybe 10 mins
[04:22] <SteveA> stub: can we do launchpad read-only when upgrading sometime?
[04:26] <stub> We can do less frequent updates. We currently can't do launchpad read only because we don't have a read only db mirror available. If people want old data, it is available on the staging server anyway.
[04:27] <stub> launchpad is back up
[04:28] <Seveas> with oopses
[04:28] <Seveas> SteveA, try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/pyxdg/+bug/3697
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Error: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugzilla failed: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[04:28] <Seveas> stub*
[04:29] <Kinnison> kiko: So one of the packages lacking a Priority contained the string 'zope'
[04:30] <Kinnison> kiko: but I can find no priority overrides for source packages with that string in them
[04:30] <Kinnison> in fact, with any string in
[04:32] <Kinnison> kiko: so that's all very very odd
[04:33] <Kinnison> kiko: in fact, it was psycopg but no priority overrides for that afaict
[04:39] <stub> Yay. The bzr I'm building for rollouts is dying on emperor, so stuff never updated.
[04:39] <stub> $ env PYTHONPATH=~/dists/lib/python bin/bzr pull sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/dists/devel
[04:39] <stub> 0 conflicts encountered.
[04:39] <stub> bzr: ERROR: Channel request for unknown channel 1
[04:39] <kiko> Kinnison, I think the priority must come from the control file
[04:41] <stub> Launchpad will be down another 50 mins or so
[04:44] <sd-tux> hallo,can somebody tell me how can i add gnomemeeting-cvs template to rosetta? or only admins have permission to do this ?
[04:45] <mdke> yes admins
[04:45] <mdke> sd-tux, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ
[04:46] <mdke> Translation Process point 2
[04:46] <Kinnison> kiko: I'm chatting with colin now
[04:47] <sd-tux> mdke: ok, thank you
[04:51] <sabdfl> stub: ping
[04:52] <Belutz> when will the launchpad back online?
[05:01] <lifeless> stub: erk
[05:01] <lifeless> stub: can I help
[05:03] <stub> lifeless: Can you speed up tree building ;)
[05:04] <lifeless> stub: use your rsync recipe
[05:04] <lifeless> ?
[05:06] <SteveA> stub: hi
[05:06] <SteveA> stub: i'm still seeing a 503 in production.  we can use staging for the talk in a pinch
[05:06] <stub> sabdfl: pong
[05:07] <sabdfl> stub: question: how do i add core data that needs to end up on production?
[05:07] <sabdfl> i tried putting it in the patch (with UPDATE and INSERT statements) but there are complications with sampledata
[05:07] <stub> sabdfl: Stick it in a .sql file in pending and get me to run it sometime. You can't put it in a patch.
[05:07] <sabdfl> if the patch data makes it into current.sql
[05:07] <sabdfl> ..
[05:07] <sabdfl> ok
[05:08] <sabdfl> the tricky thing is that part of it is an upate to existing data
[05:09] <stub> lifeless: it should be finished soon :-( I need to redo the rollout.py script to use rsync.
[05:09] <lifeless> stub: ok
[05:10] <lifeless> stub: I have nearly done update/switch for cm though, which will make incremental updates in the dc a lot faster
[05:10] <lifeless> stub: (or for managing the rsync masster copy)
[05:13] <stub> cool. If it does 'pull --overwrite' on existing branches, removing unknown files and adding branches newly added to the config it could be used instead of rebuilding fresh trees.
[05:13] <lifeless> stub: right
[05:14] <lifeless> stub: pqm mails verbose logs
[05:14] <stub> ta
[05:15] <lifeless> ... so why did you think it did not ?
[05:15] <stub> Yay - tree build
[05:16] <kiko> yay
[05:16] <stub> lifeless: oh? I see. One patch was empty, and the other patch had the modified files obscured by noise (configs/canonical.com/launchpad/production@ x_Stuart_Bishop_<stuart.bishop@canonical.com>_Tue_Jul__5_13:28:37_2005_9855.0)
[05:19] <sabdfl> stub: have three patches for you, will chinstrap.paste
[05:22] <sabdfl> first one
[05:22] <sabdfl> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filev8ONsM.html
[05:23] <sabdfl> second one
[05:23] <sabdfl> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filebLhEJu.html
[05:25] <sabdfl> and the data entry bits
[05:25] <sabdfl> https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileC5eMGd.html
[05:25] <stub> launchpad back up. Just need to rebuild the librarian now.
[05:26] <Kinnison> stub: I'm gonna start setting up drescher for publishing the staging archive. Does drescher have database access as lucille?
[05:26] <sabdfl> stub: how should i massage the last patch to separate data and code?
[05:33] <spacey> correct that upgrade this morning the icon features (of joined teams) and hackergotchies got lost?
[05:34] <SteveA> sabdfl: images on person pages are GONE
[05:36] <SteveA> stub: any idea whether any cherrypicks got "lost", as in got applied to production but never landed in RF ?
[05:36] <sabdfl> SteveA: it's still in my branch, i think there is an issue with the librarian
[05:36] <SteveA> sabdfl: it was in production before the rollout
[05:36] <SteveA> and now it is not
[05:37] <spacey> that features was really cute
[05:37] <sabdfl> it's the librarian
[05:37] <SteveA> that worries me
[05:37] <sabdfl> http://librarian.launchpad.net/579540/mark.png
[05:37] <stub> What package needs to be installed when pygettextpo fails to build?
[05:38] <jamesh> what is the build failure?
[05:38] <SteveA> stub: librarian problem?
[05:38] <stub> Ahh... yacc not found
[05:38] <stub> elmo: ping
[05:39] <stub> SteveA: Rolling out HEAD required a librarian update. And we are missing launchpad core packages on macaroni (well.. bison is probably all)
[05:42] <elmo> installed
[05:42] <stub> elmo: ta
[05:43] <elmo> also installed python-imaging which is the only  other missing one AFAICS
[05:44] <SteveA> we need that launchpad meta-package
[05:45] <jbailey> Is there a friendly changelog on launchpad.net?  It would be nice to know what the updates fix, so I know whether it's worth trying various broken things to see if they're fixed.
[05:45] <Kinnison> We had a spec for launchpad news page
[05:45] <Kinnison> but I don't think we've implemented it yet
[05:45] <SteveA> right
[05:45] <jbailey> 'k
[05:47] <SteveA> yeah, pictures are BACK IN ACTION
[05:47] <stub> ok librarian is back up. So we are now running HEAD
[05:47] <lifeless> not currently
[05:47] <SteveA> sivang: you could help implement it
[05:47] <Kinnison> yep, my hackergotchi works
[05:49] <kiko> sivang, can you register a spec on it? I'll help out
[05:50] <sivang> kiko: ofcourse, wil do
[05:50] <sivang> SteveA: I'd be interested, yes.
[05:50] <sivang> kiko: I'll go look for the already exisitng page on the launchapd wiki , I Know there is one
[05:51] <Kinnison> sivang: LaunchpadWhatsNew
[05:51] <kiko> rocksnrolling
[05:53] <jbailey> I worry a bit that a news section isn't quite enough, since it always requires a commitment from the launchpad release managers to ensure that there's a news entry on each update.
[05:53] <jbailey> Dunno if that's reasonable to cover there, or if it needs to be approached a different way.
[05:53] <kiko> jbailey, I can make that commitment, though -- is that what you're concerned about?
[05:54] <Kinnison> jbailey: The idea was that committing a feature to launchpad would require a news entry along with the rest -- enforced by code review
[05:54] <kiko> hardest question to SteveA gets free lunch
[05:54] <jbailey> kiko: Yup. =)  I just wasn't sure if the spec was the right place to ask for that.
[05:54] <jbailey> Since it's a social issue more than a techincal one.
[05:55] <Kinnison> launchpad presentation time dude
[05:56] <sivang> jbailey: wouldn't assigning someome to do that and to be in contact with developments (subscribed to -commits) and then publish an new entry?
[05:56] <sivang> jbailey: would work?
[05:56] <sabdfl> kiko does a monthly "what happened in launchpad" mail
[05:56] <sabdfl> we should publish that more widely
[06:00] <stub> sabdfl: First two db patches are fine. Stick them both in patch-25-49-0.sql unless you have a need for two numbers
[06:00] <stub> sabdfl: Why do you want to move KarmaCategories into the database?
[06:01] <jbailey> sabdfl: I was more thinking something that's JIT to the updates.  Mostly so I can see if bugs have been fixed, or what the crack-of-the-moment features are.
[06:07] <jbailey> Hmm, subscribing to a calendar seems to be a noop
[06:11] <sabdfl> jbailey: if we put bug fixing notices in the commits, we could generate that automatically
[06:11] <sabdfl> when patches are merged to mainline, or rolled out to production
[06:11] <sabdfl> production would be more interesting, but perhaps trickier to maintain
[06:13] <smurf> RequestExpired -- A server error occurred
[06:13] <jbailey> Right.  That's why I wasn't sure if the spec was a good place to ask for it, since it's more of a social request than a technical one.
[06:16] <Kinnison> elmo: can you install all the launchpad deps on drescher?
[06:16] <Kinnison> elmo: the rollout stuff says:
[06:16] <Kinnison> <exceptions.ImportError instance at 0x2aaaad05f710> No module named Crypto.Util.randpool
[06:16] <Kinnison> dunno what the heck that is, but hey :-)
[06:20] <sivang> nice
[06:20] <sivang> trying to add the spec gives me the Oops page :-/
[06:24] <sivang> spec name was "launchpad-news" and then , just to make sure I wasn't reusing an already existing one I used "launchpad-news2"
[06:31] <Kinnison> SteveA: mango curry recipe on my blog
[06:31] <Kinnison> jbailey: ditto
[06:31] <jbailey> mango curry>
[06:31] <Kinnison> jbailey: I'm guessing that s/yoghurt/soya-<thing>/ will work to make it vegan
[06:31] <jbailey> Is it sweet like pinapple curry, or does it add more depth to the flavour?
[06:32] <jbailey> Kinnison: We have vegan yogurt.  Fabio even had some the other night, he's not dead yet. =)
[06:32] <Kinnison> jbailey: it's usually slightly sharp
[06:32] <Kinnison> jbailey: it has a lot of flavour shape
[06:32] <Kinnison> jbailey: and as long as you don't smush all the mangoes the same, it has nice texture too
[06:33] <Kinnison> jbailey: I'm tempted to try adding sultanas to it next time
[06:34] <sivang> sabdfl: are you able to check for spec tracker's error-log ? (see log for my spec registering problem)
[06:36] <sabdfl> sivang: i don't see any errors in the log from you?
[06:37] <sabdfl> arghh.. missed stub
[06:39] <BjornT> sivang: the error was that there already is a spec with the same url.
[06:40] <Kinnison> sivang: call it launchpad-whatsnew
[06:40] <kiko> jbailey, I can probably do weekly reports and then glue them together into a monthly report
[06:40] <sabdfl> lifeless: "revert" in baz 1.x too?
[06:41] <lifeless> ah, undo -- filename
[06:41] <kiko> sivang, tell me about this error -- was the spec registered?
[06:41] <sivang> Kinnison: after that I changed the name, to launchpad-news2
[06:41] <sivang> Kinnison: still didn't work
[06:41] <Kinnison> oh okay
[06:41] <Kinnison> odd
[06:42] <kiko> argh
[06:42] <kiko> I need to learn how to use computers
[06:42] <kiko> sivang, you were saying?
[06:42] <lifeless> nah
[06:42] <sivang> kiko: just a sec
[06:42] <lifeless> computer, scmuters
[06:43] <BjornT> sivang, kiko: with the same url, i meant https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadWhatsNew
[06:43] <kiko> ah
[06:43] <kiko> right
[06:43] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+spec/whats-new looks like it
[06:43] <lifeless> so why do we need the new entry ?
[06:43] <kiko> we don't
[06:43] <kiko> I'll approve it for ubz
[06:43] <sivang> BjornT: ah
[06:44] <sivang> BjornT: so it should have said "A spec with that hyper link already exists" instead of the error page?
[06:44] <kiko> it's even approved
[06:45] <kiko> sivang, yeah, that's right -- I thought a bug was filed on that
[06:45] <BjornT> sivang: yeah, something like that. every time you get an error page, it's a bug.
[06:45] <sivang> kiko: let me see if there's a bug on that, if not I will file one
[06:45] <kiko> cool
[06:49] <sivang> kiko: k, mpt already filed a  bug about it
[06:53] <kiko> rock and roll
[07:05] <Kinnison> ciao
[07:05] <smi|e> ciao
[07:05] <sivang> Kinnison: launch is upstrais right?
[07:06] <koke> 2nd floor I guess
[08:27] <uws> Is it on purpose that the main bugs page in malone show CLOSED/fixed bugs as well as OPEN ones?
[08:28] <uws> +bugs versus +bugs-open
[08:28] <uws> +bugs seems to be an alias for +bugs-all
[08:36] <elmo> Kinnison: pyhton-crypto installed
[08:36] <Kinnison> ta
[08:37] <Kinnison> elmo: also, can drescher please have the en_GB.UTF-8 locale?
[08:39] <elmo> why?  you know you can turn the SendEnv crap off right?
[08:39] <elmo> I don't desperately want to start installing locales per user, in a company this distributed, it's a maintenance nightmare
[08:39] <lifeless> you could just install them all
[08:39] <lifeless> ;)
[08:41] <BjornT> uws: no, fixed bugs shouldn't be shown. i'll try to fix it soon, or first thing tomorrow morning
[08:42] <Kinnison> elmo: okay
[08:46] <uws> BjornT: Cool, do you want me to file a bug report? (I guess not)
[08:47] <BjornT> uws: no, it's not needed. thanks for bringing it up, though.
[08:48] <ajmitch> getting request expired for motu assignedbugs page again
[08:49] <sivang> ddaa: hey david :)
[08:52] <sivang> where can I see the BOF schedule for tomorrow ?
[08:52] <jbailey> sivang: It's in the /topic of #ubz
[09:27] <Belutz> when I see my profile page in launchpad, it says "the home page is like a wiki page blabla.." but when i want to create a home page, there's a footnote that says "It is NOT a wiki blabla...", well it's not really important, just make me confuse for a moment
[09:27] <Kinnison> Belutz: thanks for that. It's a bug if we confuse people like that
[09:27] <Kinnison> sabdfl: is that your interface?
[09:28] <sabdfl> Kinnison: yes. Belutz, good point, i'll fix that
[09:28] <Belutz> Kinnison, i'm glad i could help
[09:28] <Kinnison> OMG, my brain says bzr but my fingers keep saying baz
[09:29] <Belutz> one more question though, hmm i'm applying to be ubuntu members, but, how could i get ubuntu members testimonial when all i did is translating?
[09:29] <Kinnison> You probably need to find someone who can attest to your translation work
[09:29] <Kinnison> Someone involved with the projects you've helped to translate?
[09:29] <Kinnison> E.g. if you helped translate some of the installer, then perhaps Colin Watson?
[09:30] <Belutz> hmm, i see, i currently still translating the faqguide as i see it's the most important thing at the moment
[09:30] <Kinnison> Right, so someone from ubuntu-doc is your best bet
[09:30] <Kinnison> hey mdx
[09:30] <Kinnison> erm mdz
[09:31] <Kinnison> mdz: drescher is publishing now
[09:31] <Kinnison> mdz: this will take some time
[09:32] <Belutz> Kinnison, thanks for the answer, i'm looking to be the first ubuntu member from Indonesia, i think there's no one from Indonesia yet, afaik
[09:33] <Kinnison> Belutz: cool. It's nice to hear of the community growing there
[09:33] <Kinnison> hey handsome
[09:33] <Kinnison> (I did *NOT* just say that)
[09:39] <mdke> talking to Belutz eh?
[09:39] <Belutz> hi mdke :-)
[09:39] <mdke> hi
[09:49] <jamesh> the load average on chinstrap is down to 10
[09:50] <Kinnison> jamesh: really?
[09:50] <jamesh> mine are finished, so I suppose there is a slot open :)
[10:06] <jamesh> https://staging.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+source/pcmcia-cs/+bug/3547 <- an imported bugzilla bug on staging
[10:13] <Kinnison> hey again, handsome
[10:40] <Belutz> is uploading a .po file will show up as "Translation Suggestion Approved" ?
[11:01] <Kinnison> sabdfl: 50G and counting
[12:06] <Kinnison> elmo: domination phase entered :-)


[03:23] <Ultimoore> hello everyone
[23:52] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Hour tonight at the Duke of Wellington in Waterloo.  8:00pm, dinner and drinks in the solarium room.
[23:52] <BobJonkman> For those who think this is the Internet and things should be linkified: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1506/detail/


[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #196823 in mesa (main) "libgl1-mesa-glx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196823
[04:27] <ubotu> New bug: #196711 in xserver-xorg-input-mouse (main) "single click is considered as double click" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196711
[06:56] <tjaalton> hmm, should we just drop -unichrome..
[07:37] <bryce> have we converted over to openchrome as the default?  or are we still using via?
[07:38] <bryce> I think -unichrome could be dropped to universe for Intrepid
[07:43] <tjaalton> it is already in universe, and openchrome is the default
[07:44] <tjaalton> it's just that there are no unichrome releases, the current one is a git checkout from a year ago
[07:45] <bryce> hmm
[07:45] <bryce> well I would leave it for hardy and drop it starting with intrepid
[07:45] <tjaalton> why wait?
[07:46] <tjaalton> it's just collecting bugs, albeit not that many users apparently, given that it's not even installable currently :)
[07:47] <bryce> oh, if it's not even installable, I guess there'd be limited value in keeping it
[07:47] <tjaalton> it's simple to fix though, just change the Provides
[07:48] <bryce> I'm just thinking that if people have been using it in the past, dropping it entirely for hardy might be a bit too drastic since hardy is supposed to be an lts
[07:48] <bryce> however if it's not installable, and hasn't that many users, it probably won't matter
[07:51] <tjaalton> the driver uses "via" name anyway, so on upgrade the users will end up using openchrome
[07:51] <tjaalton> umm
[07:52] <tjaalton> or maybe not
[07:58] <tjaalton> openchrome sucks in modesetting though
[07:59] <tjaalton> poor via users, nobody cares :)
[07:59] <bryce> hehe
[08:05] <tjaalton> bdmurray: nvidia-xconfig is still there, but maybe it should be dropped
[08:06] <tjaalton> but not before jockey has a cmdline option
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #196900 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Ati x1600Pro White screen on active desktop fx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196900
[09:31] <bryce> night
[09:31] <tjaalton> night
[09:57] <Ng> is bryce's xrandr stuff going to replace the Screens and Graphics tool?
[09:57] <tjaalton> I think so
[09:57] <tjaalton> although they server different purpose
[09:57] <tjaalton> -r
[09:57] <Ng> I was playing with the latter last night at home and it does some strange stuff. I tell it my monitor is an LCD Panel that can do 1920x1080 and the highest resolution it offers is 1680x1050
[09:57] <Ng> tjaalton: yeah, that's what I wondered
[09:58] <Ng> the strange and wonderful thing is that X actually figures everything out itself if I remove the xorg.conf. pops straight into 1920 :)
[10:03] <tjaalton> guidance trying to be clever or something
[10:14] <pwnguin> man, that tool really kicked my ass when i set up our mythbox
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #196789 in xorg (main) "while playing different games the screen field either shrinks to 1/8  screen size or is sucked into the desktop and vanishes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196789
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #117480 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice 2.2 crashes the machine with File->Open (dup-of: 113679)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117480
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #189380 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "[Hardy] Can't make any java package work (dup-of: 87947)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189380
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #196979 in xorg (main) "laptop crashes when closing the lid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196979
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #98594 in xubuntu-meta (universe) "Xubuntu - Bad fonts size: Firefox, OpenOffice, interfaz user, etc (dup-of: 112514)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98594
[15:08] <seb128> bryce: I officially don't like those gnome-desktop changes
[15:22] <Q-FUNK> :)
[15:22] <Q-FUNK> seb128: which ones?
[15:22] <seb128> Q-FUNK: the xrand changes
[15:24] <Q-FUNK> hmm... such as?
[15:39] <Q-FUNK> here, I'm mostly worried that Hardy will be released withthe absolute piece of crap known as Firefox 3.
[16:21] <tjaalton> ff3 rocks
[16:23] <Q-FUNK> it's as slow as molasses and polutes the notification tray with crap.
[16:24] <Q-FUNK> "upgrading" to ff3b3 that is currently in hardy made me fele like someone had removed all the RAM out of my workstation. the difference of speed was that drastic.
[16:24] <tjaalton> hmm? fast as hell and my notification tray is empty :)
[16:25] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: i really wonder how you do that.  here, access speed is down to half what it was and the UI has become extremely unresponsive.
[16:26] <tjaalton> uses less memory too
[16:27] <Q-FUNK> not here
[16:27] <tjaalton> try a new profile
[16:28] <Q-FUNK> you mean they still haven't gotten rid of profiles either?
[16:29] <tjaalton> eh
[16:38] <Q-FUNK> hard to tell with a new profile.  it fails to import my bookmarks or my session form the other profile
[16:48] <bryce> seb128: what do you not like?
[16:49] <seb128> bryce: it add a lot of functions to the public api
[16:50] <seb128> bryce: I think I would like better to ship copy of the code in gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center if possible
[16:51] <seb128> bryce: another issue is that those functions don't use a gnome_ namespace and they should
[16:51] <seb128> those symbols could conflict with other libs, etc
[16:52] <seb128> soren said he would accept a patch to use a correct namespace
[16:53] <bryce> by 'ship copy of the code' what do you mean?
[16:54] <seb128> the functions which are added to gnome-desktop
[16:54] <seb128> have this code in gnome-control-center
[16:54] <seb128> and gnome-settings-daemon
[16:54] <seb128> so they would not be in any public library
[16:54] <seb128> just code in the binaries
[16:55] <bryce> ah, ok anything else?
[16:55] <seb128> no
[16:56] <seb128> sorry about that, but I think it's a better solution
[16:56] <seb128> this way we don't provide a non stable api
[16:56] <seb128> and we will not break the lib compatibility when upstream does something similar
[16:57] <seb128> I mean some function names might change etc when that's upstreamed next cycle
[16:57] <bryce> ok, shall I make these changes or are you planning to?
[16:57] <seb128> which means the ubuntu libgnome-desktop abi would break compatibility
[16:58] <seb128> I'll not do those today most likely
[16:58] <seb128> you are welcome to look at those
[16:58] <seb128> I'm sorry I had a very busy week
[16:58] <seb128> what we can do if you want to get the things some testing is to upload the changes now as you did them
[16:58] <seb128> and switch to the copies later
[16:59] <bryce> yes, that would be great
[16:59] <seb128> ok, I'll do that then
[16:59] <bryce> I'll work on the changes today
[16:59] <seb128> thanks
[17:03] <soren> seb128: I said that I'd accept a patch to use a correct namespace for what?
[17:04] <seb128> soren: not you, the soren from redhat who is writting the code we are speaking about
[17:04] <soren> seb128: Oh, sorry. :)
[17:04] <seb128> soren: sorry about the confusing with your nickname ;-)
[17:05] <soren> seb128: No worries :)
[17:35] <seb128> bryce: gnome-desktop changes uploaded
[17:50] <bryce> seb128: thanks
[17:51] <bryce> seb128: you'll be uploading g-c-c and g-s-d as well?
[17:51] <seb128> bryce: looking at the gnome-settings-daemon changes
[17:51] <seb128> there is no setting migration, right?
[17:52] <seb128> which means user will be back to whatever xorg uses rather than what he had configured, right?
[17:53] <bryce> no, it detects and starts from the current settings
[17:53] <bryce> so if they achieved that via xorg.conf, it uses that; if they did it through the current screen resolution tool, it uses that.
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #197049 in xorg (main) "[hardy] shift and caps lock keys not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197049
[17:59] <seb128> bryce: how does that work? the user settings are written to gconf and applied on startup right now, the code applying those gconf key is replaced to use the libgnomedesktop one apparently
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #197053 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx None failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso post-removal script devolvió el código de salida de error 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197053
[18:01] <seb128> bryce: gsd uploaded now
[18:15] <bryce> what gnomedesktop does is store the configuration layout in an xml file in the user's home dir
[18:15] <bryce> so (if I understand correctly) the first time it's run, it will store whatever the user has set up
[18:16] <bryce> I tested on a system with dual monitors set up via a .xprofile setting, and it picked up and handled that.  If it handles that ok, it should handle most anything
[18:17] <bryce> I also tested with laptops in a few different configurations and it picked up the existing settings correctly
[18:19] <seb128> bryce: well, the question was whether it'll pick the setting written by the old capplet on gutsy and stored in gconf when you first log in hardy
[18:20] <seb128> bryce: because I've seen no code reading those gconf keys and written a new .xprofile with the values
[18:20] <seb128> bryce: which is not really an issue but could be nice to fix
[18:22] <bryce> right, it does not read those gconf keys directly, just indirectly by taking them from what has been booted up (which in some ways is better)
[18:23] <seb128> I fail to see how that can work
[18:23] <seb128> let me take an example
[18:23] <seb128> xorg default is 1024x768, user is on gutsy, he picks 800x600, the value is written to gconf
[18:24] <seb128> he logs in on gutsy, gnome-settings-daemon read the gconf key, apply it and he gets 800x600
[18:24] <seb128> he update the hardy, reboot
[18:24] <seb128> he logs in, nothing read the key, nothing apply those, he gets 1024x768 which is the xorg config
[18:24] <seb128> no?
[18:24] <seb128> since gnome-settings-daemon in hardy doesn't read those keys
[18:24] <bryce> hmm
[18:25] <bryce> yeah I guess that's true
[18:26] <seb128> ok, not a big issue but might be worth considering migration code before hardy
[18:26] <seb128> should be easy to have something reading the gconf keys and writting those to xprofile on first hardy login
[18:26] <seb128> bryce: looking to the capplet changes now, the patches are mostly redhat work, right?
[18:27] <seb128> bryce: just wanting to give some credit where it's due in the changelog if that's the case ;-)
[18:28] <bryce> the first (main) patch is from redhat, the auto* changes I did, and there's a patch I did to clean up the ui a little
[18:28] <seb128> ok
[18:29] <bryce> the hard part was getting the changes into the gnomedesktop lib such that everything linked to it properly
[18:45] <seb128> bryce: your new capplet seems to be working but I just broke my session using it :-p
[18:46] <seb128> I did rotate the screen
[18:46] <bryce> I've found it certainly offers a good way to test for xrandr bugs ;-)
[18:46] <seb128> but now it doesn't take any click or keyboard event
[18:47] <bryce> sounds like a known xrandr bug
[18:47] <bryce> fwiw, rotation worked 100% on all of the systems I tested on.
[18:47] <seb128> lucky you :-p
[18:47] <bryce> one system has problems when scaling up or down
[18:47] <bryce> maybe we should include a note on the dialog, "Um, maybe save your work first?"
[18:48] <seb128> rather "backup your disk"
[18:48] <seb128> because restarting xorg doesn't fix the issue
[18:48] <seb128> I've no a broken session and no way out of the command line to fix it
[18:48] <bryce> the issue I ran into required a reboot
[18:49] <seb128> that's not good
[18:49] <seb128> well, it's applying the rotation on login
[18:49] <seb128> which seems to be an issue
[18:49] <bryce> hrm yeah
[18:49] <seb128> where is the config file?
[18:49] <bryce> ~/.gnome2/monitors.xml
[18:50] <seb128> thanks
[18:50] <seb128> fixed
[18:50] <bryce> there should be a confirmation dialog like displayconfig-gtk has
[18:50] <seb128> I've to go for diner but I've g-c-c ready for upload
[18:50] <seb128> will upload later
[18:50] <bryce> ok
[18:50] <seb128> having what the previous capplet had would be nice
[18:51] <bryce> I'll look into that next week
[18:51] <seb128> a counter which reverts if you don't ack
[18:51] <seb128> cool
[18:51] <bryce> yeah displayconfig-gtk had that as well
[18:51] <seb128> otherwise good work, it looks cool ;-)
[18:51] <bryce> great
[18:51] <bryce> did it get your monitor name correct?
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #197069 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "xserver-xorg-video-amd: wide resolutions don't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197069
[21:04] <seb128_> re
[21:04] <seb128_> bryce: still around?
[21:05] <bryce> yup
[21:05] <seb128_> I uploaded gnome-control-center
[21:05] <bryce> yay!
[21:05] <seb128_> xrand is really buggy on my dell laptop though
[21:05] <seb128_> rotation breaks xorg in a way I've to switch to a vt and edit the xml by hand to get xorg working again
[21:05] <bryce> aside from the rotation, are you seeing other issues?
[21:05] <seb128_> and changing resolution corrupts part of the screen
[21:06] <bryce> seb128I will put a note in the dialog on how to restore
[21:06] <seb128_> yes, changing to 800x600 worked correctly, switching back to 1440x900 doesn't
[21:06] <seb128_> I get what looks like a working 800x600 area
[21:06] <bryce> right, that is one of the bugs I ran into on one of my systems that I mentioned
[21:06] <seb128_> and a corrupted border on right and bottom which is not usuable
[21:07] <seb128_> I expect intel to be not too buggy ;-)
[21:07] <bryce> and you can move the mouse into those areas, and interact with buttons located there
[21:07] <seb128_> expect intel not too by too buggy rather
[21:07] <seb128_> yes
[21:07] <seb128_> but I can't move things there
[21:07] <bryce> yup, that's the same bug I found - jdub also reported it earlier, but identified it as a metacity bug
[21:08] <bryce> he tried running a different window manager and it worked correctly
[21:08] <seb128_> compiz consider the corruption border as the viewport limit and will switch to next one
[21:08] <seb128_> I'm using compiz
[21:08] <bryce> yeah mine was with compiz as well.
[21:08] <seb128_> ok
[21:08] <seb128_> I think I've done my part for this week now that those packages are uploaded
[21:09] <seb128_> I'll let you figure the xrandr issues ;-)
[21:09] <bryce> so maybe check if the same thing happens with metacity - if not, then it may be a compiz bug
[21:09] <bryce> yup
[21:09] <seb128_> let me know if you need debug informations
[21:09] <seb128_> well, you said jdub had the issue using it
[21:09] <bryce> sure, thanks, yep I'm working on the xrandr issues
[21:09] <seb128_> cool, thanks
[21:09] <seb128_> and again, nice work ;-)
[21:09] <seb128_> out of the xrandr bugs the capplet looks great
[21:09] <bryce> the rotation one is well known; this other one I've not seen reported but I can reproduce it easily, so...
[21:10] <bryce> good to hear
[21:10] <bryce> still needs a few more features, but good enough for hardy.  Much better than what we've had
[21:10] <seb128_> right
[21:25] <bryce> tjaalton: btw I have a new patch to extend the "greedy" fix to all intel chipsets here - http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/
[21:25] <seb128_> bryce: btw you come you don't use a ppa for your uploads?
[21:25] <bryce> tjaalton: but I'm not certain yet if it's appropriate to do that, or if it would cause more issues
[21:26] <bryce> seb128_: I should start using that, I just have my workflow set up for doing local builds mostly
[21:26] <seb128_> well,; you copy those on rookery apparently though
[21:26] <seb128_> so you could as easily dput them on launchpad ;-)
[21:27] <bryce> yep
[21:28] <bryce> can you delete things from a ppa?
[21:29] <mvo> tjaalton: hm, what happend to the nvidia-settings that used to be part of nvidia-glx (-new) ? is that now all folded into the nvidia-settings package?
[21:29] <keescook> bryce: yeah, it's on the left side, 2nd action down, IIRC.
[21:30] <tjaalton> mvo: yep
[21:30] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, why did that happen?
[21:30] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, maybe after the weekend?
[21:30] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: because it has source
[21:30] <mario_limonciell> oh fair enough :)
[21:31] <bryce> tjaalton: sure
[21:31] <bryce> tjaalton: I may have more user reports on it by then
[21:31] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: but now that the default xorg.conf has a ServerLayout section again, it's not a problem anymore.. without that it would just crash
[21:31] <bryce> heya keescook
[21:32] <tjaalton> man, I'd love to see fglrx banished from the archive when r5/6xx has 3D support
[21:32] <mario_limonciell> tjaalton, there are similar problems with aticonfig not liking the default xorg.conf (when trying aticonfig --initial)
[21:33] <mario_limonciell> i've reported them to the beta team
[21:33] <tjaalton> mario_limonciell: yep
[21:34] <tjaalton> well, jockey should have a cmdline interface, then every doc should mention that aticonfig/nvidia-xconfig are Evil
[21:34] <mvo> tjaalton: hm, I use it in compiz to detect the available video ram, any chance to get it back ?
[21:34] <mario_limonciell> well there features of the AMD driver that are not exposed via any other public interface
[21:34] <tjaalton> mvo: maybe by depending on it
[21:35] <mvo> tjaalton: its universe currently, but that shouldn't be too much of an issue - but let me dig a bit into it, maybe there is a different way to get the video ram
[21:36] <keescook> heya bryce :) I just happened to catch your question :)
[21:37] <tjaalton> mvo: btw, jockey still disables composite for fglrx, but apparently composite still has some issues..
[21:37] <mvo> tjaalton: I can give it a try early next week - I can't wait to see fglrx go
[21:37] <bryce> tjaalton: do you seriously think we may be able to drop fglrx?  that'd be rather stunning.  I hadn't realized things had progressed that far already
[21:38] <tjaalton> mvo, bryce: no, we are not there yet :)
[21:38] <tjaalton> unfortunately
[21:38] <mvo> tjaalton: the "ati" driver works quite well with the r500 now in 2d, randr, suspsend all of this is good for me
[21:38] <mvo> (well, radeon)
[21:38] <tjaalton> 3D support is still very much a work in progress..
[21:39] <tjaalton> maybe intrepid+1..
[21:39] <tjaalton> r5xx docs are out, so maybe intrepid will have a mesa which supports it
[22:00] <tjaalton> bryce: the archive has 2.2.1-1ubuntu2 ;)
[22:26] <bryce> ah, hmm
[22:26] <bryce> tjaalton: I'll rework the patches then.  I also have another quirk to add
[22:26] <tjaalton> bryce: yep, saw that one
[23:23] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org/drupal/display-config-1
[23:36] <tjaalton> looks nice