[12:48] <mzungu> Hi - any ideas why some old windows .bmp images do not appear in gwenview?
[12:50] <olavxxx> oh, compiz fusion looks cool
[12:50] <olavxxx> can it run good on p4 2.5ghz, 1gb ram and gf fx5500?
[12:51] <service> hi there. does anyone know what do i have to do for gutsy to use the multiverse repository?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> olavxxx: easy
[12:51] <ranjan> olavxxx: yes
[12:51] <Jucato> service: nothing.it's enabled by default already
[12:51] <service> i uncommented those lines but it still does not get the packages
[12:51] <ranjan> service: open adept
[12:52] <service> i tried to install envy
[12:52] <service> so i gave the command sudo apt-get install -f
[12:52] <Jucato> !envy
[12:52] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:52] <service> but instead of installing packages, it removes them
[12:52] <ardchoille> envy is a bad idea
[12:53] <service> when i tried to install libxine-ffmpeg it said that is not there
[12:53] <olavxxx> nice
[12:53] <service> i used envy and it worked fine for me
[12:53] <ardchoille> !worksforme
[12:53] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[12:54] <ranjan> service: today it may have worked fine, but during yogrades it may mess your system up
[12:54] <service> ok. but how do i fix the repository?
[12:54] <ranjan> open adept, adept >> manage repositories
[12:55] <mzungu> service, did you update the package list after enabling the repositories?
[12:55] <service> sources.list in order to download the packages automatically. now i'm getting them one by one from packages.ubuntu.com
[12:55] <service> how do i update the list?
[12:55] <service> :D
[12:55] <mzungu> sudo aptitude update
[12:56] <mzungu> or adept => click on 'update'
[12:56] <olavxxx> why should the swap be at the end of the drive?
[12:56] <olavxxx> I would think beginning of drive is faster and therefore better for swap?
[12:56] <webvictim> if you have to use swap, you have issues ;)
[12:56] <webvictim> get moar RAM! :P
[12:57] <olavxxx> Ive only got 1gb pc3200
[12:57] <webvictim> that's plenty
[12:57] <ardchoille> webvictim: lol
[12:57] <service> thank youuuu  now that i updated aptitude it gets the rest of packages
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> just add more RAM then you don't need to use swap ;)
[12:57] <olavxxx> you always need swap though?
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> running two gigs and no swap here
[12:57] <mzungu> :)
[12:57] <sdlnxgk> brb need to get my flu shot from the ER :)
[12:57] <olavxxx> is that good?
[12:57] <olavxxx> I made a 2gb swap partition in the beginning of the drive.. that was wrong, right?
[12:57] <ranjan> olavxxx: 1 gig is good
[12:58] <Lynoure> olavxxx: depends on your use
[12:58] <webvictim> well you don't have to define a swap partition - if it really needs the memory, it'll make files on your / partition anyway
[12:58] <olavxxx> also, I made the fs on the / partition ext2
[12:58] <olavxxx> should have been ext3?
[12:58] <webvictim> you can convert that quite easily
[12:58] <webvictim> so that's not a problem
[12:58] <olavxxx> ok..
[12:58] <Lynoure> olavxxx: if you want to hibernate to disk, min. 2x memory is the good rule of thumb.
[12:58] <olavxxx> the boot went byebye after the wizard froze up in the linuxmce I installd on top of a fresh kubuntu 7.04
[12:58] <webvictim> hibernate never quite works for me
[12:58] <mzungu> service, if you are comfortable on the command line, aptitude is always preferable to apt-get as it better manages dependencies
[12:59] <Lynoure> webvictim: Mine worked in Feisty, so I have not given up hope yet :)
[12:59] <olavxxx> Lynoure: so then 2gb is not that bad, only problem(?) is that I made it in the beginning of the drive ?
[12:59] <olavxxx> I'm not concerned about "wasting" 2gb.. as the drive is 250gb
[12:59] <ranjan> beginning is ok, end preferable
[13:00] <olavxxx> why is the end preferrable?
[13:00] <olavxxx> is it due to some defrag issues?
[13:00] <Lynoure> olavxxx: Linux is not very silly about such things. So, unless your bios is ancient, you'll probably be fine
[13:00] <Jucato> olavxxx: no. anywhere would be fine
[13:00] <olavxxx> its a fujitsu siemens scaleo s
[13:00] <Jucato> older hardware issues iirc
[13:00] <olavxxx> 2004 or 2005 I think
[13:00] <ranjan> end is pref only cuz after partitioning whatever is left is to swap
[13:00] <Lynoure> olavxxx: that's not ancient :)
[13:01] <Jucato> ranjan: not really.
[13:01] <olavxxx> ranjan: I made a 25gb partition to / and then I have the rest of the 250gb free, no partiotions yet
[13:01] <Jucato> there's an actual technical reason for it afaik. tldp docs
[13:01] <olavxxx> I think its poorly documentet (not documented at all) during install though.
[13:02] <Jucato> because it's an old issue
[13:02] <olavxxx> ok.. but then it should recommend me, lol
[13:02] <ranjan> anyways its doesn't matter much swap hardly gets used
[13:02] <Jucato> I mean, probably no longer applicable with recent hardware
[13:02] <olavxxx> just like the FS, lol
[13:02] <olavxxx> I tried using fat32 first, then it told me: "/ has to be another fs like ext2"
[13:03] <olavxxx> since I didnt know what ext2 or ext3 was, I chose the ext2
[13:03] <Jucato> the installer makes a default recommendation of ext3
[13:03] <ranjan> olavxxx: ext3 is newer
[13:03] <olavxxx> I dont think it was set at something as default
[13:03] <olavxxx> 7.04
[13:03] <ranjan> olavxxx: default is ext3
[13:04] <olavxxx> eg. I deleted the partiotions which where on the hd
[13:04] <Jucato> you can't use fat32 because that's a proprietary fs, and doesn't have Unix permissions. ext3 is just ext2 with journaling
[13:04] <webvictim> i find that having about a 10/15gb partition for / and then having others for /home and /var works well :)
[13:04] <olavxxx> ranjan: can this be why the linuxmce crashed during the wizard and then rendered my boot useless?
[13:04] <ranjan> olavxxx: don't know
[13:05] <ranjan> olavxxx: however it shouldn't
[13:05] <ranjan> olavxxx: do u need linux mce? mythbuntu wouldn't suffice?
[13:06] <The_Machine> how to join a multipart zip file:  file.zip.001, file.zip.002, etc?
[13:06] <ranjan> if u need lights control, asterix, etc llinuxmce is good, but only mthytv mythbuntu is better
[13:10] <Daviey> olavxxx: There is no reason you can't run asterisk on mythbuntu
[13:10] <olavxxx> I wont run lightcontorl and alarm
[13:11] <olavxxx> I only want the tv tuner and mediacenter
[13:11] <ranjan> mythbuntu
[13:11] <Ace2016> so did everyone see /. today about acpi settings killing hard drives or something
[13:11] <olavxxx> is that a standalone distro?
[13:11] <ranjan> yep
[13:11] <olavxxx> its the best for mediacenter?
[13:12] <Daviey> olavxxx: I think so
[13:12] <ranjan> olavxxx: easiest in my opinion
[13:12] <Daviey> olavxxx: But then, i'm biased
[13:12] <olavxxx> I used many hrs y esterday and then suddenly it froze up in the setup wizard :S
[13:12] <ranjan> olavxxx: u used what?
[13:13] <olavxxx> ranjan: first livecd kubuntu 7.04, then linuxmce on top...
[13:13] <olavxxx> 2-cd install mce
[13:13] <olavxxx> took ages
[13:13] <ranjan> get mythbuntu
[13:13] <Daviey> mythbuntu rocks
[13:14] <ranjan> its just 1 cd 500 mb
[13:15] <ranjan> no fuss install
[13:16] <olavxxx> ok.. ill dl it
[13:18] <olavxxx> 7.10 mythbuntu is good?
[13:19] <Daviey> olavxxx: very much so
[13:19] <Daviey> olavxxx: but then, i'm a mythbuntu dev... so i would say that :D
[13:20] <olavxxx> lol
[13:20] <olavxxx> I like that I get a direct download url :)
[13:20] <Daviey> olavxxx: well.. technically you don't :D
[13:20] <Daviey> olavxxx: it redirects to one of our mirrors :)
[13:20] <olavxxx> linuxmce went via like 5 links before I got an offsite url for the 2-cd install. There where none for the dvd install :S
[13:21] <DarthWar> I have the dvd
[13:21] <DarthWar> but OMG
[13:21] <DarthWar> took 2 weeks to torrent that
[13:21] <ranjan> linuxmce is tod for meo complicate
[13:21] <olavxxx> I finally got it
[13:21] <olavxxx> I had to download this client
[13:21] <olavxxx> pando
[13:21] <olavxxx> then I got it in 2 hrs
[13:27] <E_mE> in kubuntu can you swap desktops in a sort of 3d motion like in ubuntu??
[13:27] <hydrogen> !compiz | E_mE
[13:27] <ubotu> E_mE: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[13:27] <E_mE> hydrogen: thanx... i didnt know it was called that :D
[13:29] <ranjan> !kdde4
[13:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdde4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:29] <ranjan> !kde4
[13:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[13:31] <ranjan> does kde4 beta work in gutsy?
[13:32] <icewaterman> ranjan: there are packages however as the word beta may indicate they are not expected to work well.
[13:32] <olavxxx> the mythbuntu, can I use compiz on that?
[13:32] <smorg> any idea why there is no /etc/inittab ?
[13:32] <ranjan> olavxxx: you are going to run a desktop on your mythbox?
[13:33] <ranjan> icewaterman: thanks
[13:33] <icewaterman> smorg: because ubuntu uses other initscripts than old distros
[13:33] <icewaterman> for the new initscripts the inittab is no longer necessary.
[13:33] <Jucato> !upstart | smorg
[13:33] <ubotu> smorg: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[13:34] <Jucato> s/old distros/all other distros/
[13:34] <smorg> aaah that explains a lot
[13:34] <icewaterman> Jucato: wasnt slackware still using the old rc-style init?
[13:35] <icewaterman> i mean the really old bsd-like niit
[13:35] <Jucato> almost all other distros still use sysv init afaik. only a few have dared to implement a new one
[13:35] <smorg> debian has inittab :-/
[13:35] <Jucato> very very few...
[13:35]  * Jucato thinks only ubuntu, gentoo(?), and gobo
[13:35]  * genii pries his eyes open and sips a coffee
[13:35] <sdlnxgk> Happy Halloween Everyone !!!
[13:36] <icewaterman> Jucato: well, i noticed that when entering an encrypted password was no longer possible during boot (i switched to full disc encryption to finally get it working again)
[13:36] <icewaterman> s/encrypted/encryption/
[13:48] <sylvain__> hello all
[13:48] <sylvain__> bonjour tout le monde
[13:49] <sylvain__> cuold someone help me ?
[13:49] <Jucato> !someone
[13:49] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[13:49] <sylvain__> ok
[13:49] <pbn> Hello, how can I disable the "switch user" button when the screen is locked ?
[13:49] <flithm> hey everyone... how do I turn off KDE's "sessions" in kubuntu?  With my old OS I could turn this off but I can't find the option in kubuntu.  I don't want it to remember what apps I had open and so forth
[13:50] <timri> kcontrol session manager
[13:50] <timri> check on login-> start with empty session
[13:50] <flithm> timri: thanks!
[13:51] <smorg> aah pff, ubuntu has a nice gui!
[13:51] <smorg> so I should use system services to adjust init settings?
[13:51] <sylvain__> A few time ago, I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (before 18 oct. so) in my computer, with an alternate CD.I had already a partition with ~50 Go of data. When I make the partitions for my new system
[13:51] <sylvain__> i accidently deleted my partition with all my data
[13:51] <webvictim> i think the actual answer is that any linux distro can have a "nice gui"
[13:52] <Jucato> smorg: nice gui for?
[13:52] <webvictim> but ubuntu's is nicer by default ;)
[13:52] <smorg> changing init levels
[13:53] <Jucato> for services?
[13:53] <sylvain__> but it only erase the File Allocation Table, and not the files themselves. I used testdisk, photorec and another software to recover some files, but they are not correctly named.
[13:53] <mattsu-kun> anyone from sweden here?
[13:53] <Jucato> smorg: System Settings -> Advanced tab -> System Services doesn't work for you?
[13:53] <Jucato> !se
[13:53] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[13:53] <smorg> it does, I just didn't know it was there ^^
[13:53] <sylvain__> So, does somebody knows how I can re-build the file allocation table of a partition, to recover correct names for my files ?
[13:54] <sylvain__> ?
[13:55] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[13:55] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[13:56] <eagles0513875> if there is an error with the source lists for gutsy 64 do i email the person in charge or file a bug
[13:56] <xavier_> hey there !
[13:56] <eagles0513875> hey
[13:56] <xavier_> i have a problem to shutdowm my Kubuntu 7.10
[13:57] <eagles0513875> xavier_: can u elaborate on ur problem
[13:57] <eagles0513875> that isnt telling us vry much about it
[13:57] <xavier_> yes when i push the "turn off" button my pc shut down wait 2 min and turn on alone !!!!
[13:58] <eagles0513875> xavier_: is this on a desktop or laptop
[13:58] <xavier_> but i can shut it down with the konsole
[13:58] <xavier_> desktop
[13:58] <tim_> hay
[13:58] <eagles0513875> interesting i am using it on a laptop no problem
[13:58] <[ifr0g]> How do check if a repo is legit ?
[13:58] <tim_> can some one tlel me how to remove a directory
[13:58] <Jucato> rmdir directory
[13:58] <tim_> i know rm is remove file whats command for remove directy
[13:58] <eagles0513875> had to reinstall feisty and im in the middle of upgrading i honestly dont know what to tell ya
[13:58] <tim_> thanks
[13:58] <Jucato> only empty directories though
[13:59] <tim_> how do you do full ones
[13:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: if there is a duplicate source list on teh sourceomatic site do i file a bug or report it via email to the person in charge of it
[13:59] <eagles0513875> tim_: sudo rm -rf and then the name of the folder
[13:59] <xavier_> i hzve to reinstall 7.04???
[13:59] <xavier_> snif snig
[13:59] <tim_> thanks
[13:59] <scratch1> hi all
[13:59] <eagles0513875> no prob
[13:59] <Jucato> tim_: careful.. rm'ed file = totally gone
[13:59] <Jucato> eagles0513875: email the person
[13:59] <eagles0513875> Jucato: ok already done
[14:00] <posingaspopular> Jucato: time for you to go to bed
[14:00] <scratch1> russia channel?
[14:00] <tim_> yea im using fwcutter and need firmeware cleared
[14:00] <eagles0513875> !ru
[14:00]  * posingaspopular heards off to school for some mad CS hacking
[14:00] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:00] <The_Machine> How to empty trash via bash?
[14:00] <The_Machine> :)
[14:00] <scratch1> thenks
[14:00] <eagles0513875> posingaspopular: got a question for ya in regards to steam
[14:00] <eagles0513875> no prob
[14:00] <posingaspopular> steam? o
[14:00] <posingaspopular> okay shoot
[14:01] <posingaspopular> duno if i can answer though
[14:01] <eagles0513875> posingaspopular: for some reason when i had it installed on gutsy every time it would auto start how do i disable the auto start
[14:01] <tim_> root@tim-laptop:/home/tim/driver# bcm43xx-fwcutter -w bcmwl5.sys /lib/firmware
[14:01] <tim_> Sorry, the input file is either wrong or not supported by bcm43xx-fwcutter.
[14:01] <tim_> This file has an unknown MD5sum d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e.
[14:01] <tim_> can some one help me with that
[14:01] <eagles0513875> tim_: u using gutsy
[14:01] <tim_> im not sure how do i check
[14:01] <scratch1> */part
[14:01] <Jucato> tim_: try not to run as root, specially when you rm -rf....
[14:01] <posingaspopular> kmenu->systemsetttings->advanced->system services?
[14:01] <tim_> oh not the rm rf works
[14:01] <[ifr0g]> How do check if a repo is legit ?
[14:01] <eagles0513875> tim_: what posing said
[14:02] <posingaspopular> or right click on it and see if that gives you an option
[14:02] <posingaspopular> AFK
[14:02] <xavier_> eagles you dont have any ideas for me?
[14:02] <eagles0513875> xavier_: i honestly dont know i would check to see if there r any bug reports and maybe file one
[14:02] <tim_> where is it said
[14:02] <eagles0513875> tim_: look up a few lines
[14:03] <eagles0513875> tim_: i have a bcm43xx card and in gutsy it finds it and all i have to do is enable the restricted driver and restart my machine
[14:03] <tim_> yea im in the rright place but dunno where it should say it
[14:03] <eagles0513875> let me see hold on
[14:03] <tim_> how do i do that eagles
[14:03] <eagles0513875> im checking hold up
[14:03] <tim_> like pm me with step by step for activated restricted if you dont mind
[14:03] <xavier_> eagles0513875_ kk thx for that man!
[14:04] <tim_> nah im not using gusty
[14:04] <eagles0513875> tim_: upgrade to it
[14:04] <tim_> how ??
[14:04] <eagles0513875> or do a clean install thats up to u
[14:04] <tim_> sorry im noob
[14:04] <tim_> id do clean kde install but im on kde 7.04
[14:04] <tim_> didnt install it
[14:04] <eagles0513875> tim_: follow these http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[14:04] <eagles0513875> then ur not using gutsy
[14:04] <eagles0513875> u can either do a totally new install by downloading the image or upgrade
[14:04] <tim_> ok one gusty im using then enable restricted drivers
[14:05] <eagles0513875> tim_: u wont need to
[14:05] <tim_> ok
[14:05] <tim_> sorry just upgrade :)
[14:05] <eagles0513875> tim_: i think in ur case since ur rather new to linux i would do a clean install
[14:06] <tim_> i can upgrade and stuff
[14:06] <tim_> im used to being told to do ndiswrapper and fwcutter
[14:06] <hagabaka> did this happen to anyone else? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/159008
[14:06] <eagles0513875> u can but when i first started using kubuntu i ended up screwing up my installation and doing a clean install
[14:06] <eagles0513875> tim_: i used to do that too but in gutsy its changed and ull love it cuz u dont need that stuff
[14:06] <tim_> well im using a broadcom 4318
[14:07] <tim_> sadly in a dell inspiron 1300
[14:07] <eagles0513875> im using 4306
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> For  my broadcom card - i just needed to use fwcutter
[14:07] <tim_> i just switched form suse 10.3 nice but kind crappy for me
[14:07] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: lucky u i would have needed to use andiswrapper and do some nasty hacking
[14:07] <eagles0513875> brb need to boot into the updated kernel
[14:08] <Kachna> hey buds,are intel's graphic chips ok in linux? wanna buy a ntb,and put linux there ofc (doh,it has preinstalled Vista /puke), so i wonder if it's a good choice :-)
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> Kachna id say stick with nvidia if you can
[14:09] <tim_> so now ive followed the website i should be upgrsadeing the whole kernal
[14:10] <Kachna> mmmh there was one with some nvidia go7000
[14:10] <n1lo> Anybody know were i can find the kickoff .deb file for kubuntu gutsy?
[14:10] <eagles0513875> im back
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> !find kickoff
[14:10] <eagles0513875> AmyRose: sup
[14:10] <ubotu> File kickoff found in kdebase-workspace
[14:11] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: ?
[14:11] <Gre4ka> всем привет
[14:11]  * Dr_Willis wonders what kickoff is.
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !ru
[14:11] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !gk
[14:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !greek
[14:11] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[14:11] <Kachna> (personally,i don't like nVidia,but if it works...) :-) however, don't they consume more energy Dr_Willis? coz the thing that's major priority for me is time on battery :-)
[14:11] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: im wondering the same thing
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> Kachna carry a long cord.
[14:11] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Kachna: what kinda processor u got
[14:12] <Kachna> not any yet,gonna get core2
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> the HD takes up about 1/3 of the battery life  - from what i hear.
[14:12] <Kachna> huh,pretty nice Dr_Willis :-)
[14:12] <eagles0513875> Kachna: make sure u get a mobile one cuz for me i have a power hungry athlon 64 3200+
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> Aparently those new Flash-based hd's really help the battery life.
[14:12] <eagles0513875> and im finally taking advantage of its 64 bit capabilities
[14:13] <Kachna> eagles0513875: well,i'm definitely going for intel, maybe celeron M, or just core 2 duo...
[14:13] <eagles0513875> Kachna: anything but celeron lol
[14:13] <Kachna> coz ppl say they eat less :P
[14:13] <tim_> so eagals when i finsih all those steps should i have a working wireless card?
[14:14] <Kachna> mmm,well i have celeron in my desktop, 2,66@3,6, works pretty well on 40°C loaded :P
[14:14] <eagles0513875> tim_: ya once u first login u shoudl get a restricted drivers list that will allow u to enable any restricted drivers for any devices u need once u do restart again and they should work
[14:14] <eagles0513875> Kachna: sweet running kubuntu
[14:15] <tim_> wait ...... do i need to find them restricted drivers option or does it pop up ?
[14:15] <eagles0513875> pop up
[14:15] <hydrogen> if it didn't pop up, you can run restricted-manager-kde
[14:15] <Kachna> well,i should have mention i have PC full of giant passive coolers,but it was cool with box too :-)
[14:15] <eagles0513875> lol nice
[14:15] <tim_> thanks alot egal
[14:15] <eagles0513875> Kachna: i have a rather bitter sweet desktop my mother board is a beast
[14:15] <[ifr0g]> How do tell if a repo is legit ?
[14:15] <tim_> eagals*
[14:15] <eagles0513875> tim_: no prob im upgrading as we speak
[14:16] <Kachna> :-)
[14:16] <tim_> cool
[14:16] <eagles0513875> tim_: that is what this channel is here for to help
[14:16] <eagles0513875> Kachna: its an asus a8n sli premium motherboard
[14:16] <tim_> ive had it running  like for 5 mins now
[14:16] <tim_> i hate dells and linux
[14:16] <eagles0513875> i can have a total of 8 drives 4 and 4 for raid
[14:16] <eagles0513875> tim_: y
[14:16] <eagles0513875> raid on the baord
[14:16] <eagles0513875> board
[14:16] <tim_> lol never mind the fact my dell has a burnt out 3dx card lmao i burnt it out with c&c3
[14:17] <eagles0513875> tim_: what video card do u have
[14:17] <tim_> and i hate the dells cause there so awkard witht he wireless drivers
[14:17] <tim_> im not sure right now but its box standerd dell
[14:17] <tim_> inspiron 1300
[14:17] <eagles0513875> thank god ur getting in on kubuntu when u r
[14:17] <eagles0513875> tim_: in the previous 2 versions feisty and edgy i had a real head ache getting wifi to work and also open gl to work in gutsy its so easy
[14:18] <tim_> cool
[14:18] <eagles0513875> tim_: well im out for now its goign to take it some time to upgrade
[14:18] <tim_> well its like suse 10.2  it worked the drivers and stuff and was easy to setup but now i upgraded to 10.3 and my card it coudl turn on work and find other networks just nto connect lmao so i got pissed off and came back to my roots kubuntu
[14:18] <eagles0513875> tim_: 747 pkgs for upgrade newly install 115 and remove 6
[14:19] <eagles0513875> tim_: suse is a resource hog
[14:19] <tim_> mins 4 install 130 upgrade
[14:19] <eagles0513875> ur not doing something right
[14:19] <tim_> damn right its a resource hog lol
[14:19] <tim_> ..... damn
[14:19] <eagles0513875> did u enable all the repositories using adept
[14:19] <tim_> ill sort it out later i knwo what to do i think so
[14:19] <eagles0513875> tim_: open adept manager
[14:19] <eagles0513875> and then enable them in there
[14:20] <eagles0513875> do u know how to use the command line commands or not yet
[14:20] <tim_> yea i knwo how to upghrade though command lines
[14:20] <eagles0513875> do u know about source o matic
[14:20] <Kachna> :/ there's some sempron with GF Go6100...would it be better choice than core duo with intel gma 3100? i need it just for work,but need it to stay few hours when working with Quanta or so,not that big load...:-) just to have some orientation...i'm completely new to notebooks :-)
[14:20] <tim_> but i did as website said and endabled the two pacjkages
[14:20] <eagles0513875> Kachna:
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> a few hours  - Ha :)
[14:20] <eagles0513875> Kachna: i honestly dont know
[14:20] <eagles0513875> good luck wiht few hrs too lol
[14:20] <tim_> Enable the "Recommended updates" and "Pre-released updates" repository,
[14:20] <Kachna> well, 2 are enough :P
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> 2 hrs would be a long time.
[14:21] <eagles0513875> even source updates tim_
[14:21] <eagles0513875> with my athlon 64 3200 i only get an hr and a half
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> Splurge on the bigger cell'ed battery if you can.
[14:21] <Kachna> even while just working with text editor? :/
[14:21] <juan> if i have a list of files in the ls -Z format how do i pipe them to chmod in a format itll read or is there a better way match user and group permisions
[14:21] <eagles0513875> Kachna: when i work with anything
[14:21] <tim_> well i cba canceling the update now
[14:21] <eagles0513875> tim_: ok
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> Ive heard that some laptops can do 3 hrs - when they get all throttled down and stuff. :)
[14:21] <Kachna> dammit then :P
[14:22] <tim_> wait
[14:22] <eagles0513875> tim_: whats wrong
[14:22] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: i have mine with the minimal brightness and on powersave and i still get an hr and half
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> turn off backlight/dim it, throttle down the cpu. Dont use an external mouse,
[14:22] <eagles0513875> i do all that and i only use the pad
[14:22] <tim_> i went on it and theres no source updates
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> THEn after a years time - your battery is wore out . ... and you dont get 1/2 that time any more
[14:22] <eagles0513875> nm those u can always add those later
[14:23] <tim_> kubuntu updates "important recommended pre-released and unsupported" thats it
[14:23] <eagles0513875> my laptop extended warrenty i get free replacement batteries lol
[14:23] <eagles0513875> tim_: ok reload the repos
[14:23] <jetsaredim> nice - kde4 beta3 was just released a couple weeks ago - now its beta4?
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 prove they are bad? :) be sure that normal wear and tear on battery is covered.
[14:23] <tim_> and then all it does is install 4 and upgrade 130
[14:23] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: if they dont hold charge ya
[14:24] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: lol even though mine is still fine i went to and ordered a replacement one before i left the us
[14:24] <eagles0513875> batteries for my laptop r expensive
[14:24] <eagles0513875> 80 us dollars for one
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> bateries for laptop are A RIP off. :)
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> batteries for any laptop are expensive
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> ridiculous
[14:24] <eagles0513875> lol thank god for my extended warrenty
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> exactly
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> replacement power supplies are also ripoffs
[14:24] <eagles0513875> for desktop or laptop
[14:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> laptop
[14:25] <juan> laptop dekstops are sooo cheap
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> the external brick
[14:25] <tim_> i think the upgrades doing fine
[14:25] <tim_> can you rip the kubuntu iso off to a dvd ??
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> $75 for my fiancee's toshiba power supply
[14:25] <juan> eagles0513875: have you tried powertop
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> cheap laptop - because they cut corners on everything they can now a days. :)
[14:25] <eagles0513875> juan: whats powertop
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> tim_: why not download the dvd?
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> I got a whole laptop for $350
[14:25] <Kachna> k will do some additional research,just last question, what's the difference in pentium dual-core and core duo? :P
[14:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> juan: that made no sense.
[14:25] <tim_> good point
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> !powertop
[14:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powertop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:25] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: mine was one thousand 2 yrs ago lol
[14:26] <juan> powertop is a program that looks at power useage on your laptopo the way top does
[14:26] <juan> *looks at processes
[14:26] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> Kachna: core duo is a single core, 32 bit.  core 2 duo is 64 bit dual core.
[14:26] <Kachna> cmon :P
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> at least, that's how i understand it
[14:26] <eagles0513875> Kachna:
[14:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> until this lappy i hated intel
[14:26] <Kachna> oh so :-)
[14:26] <juan> using it i got an extra 1/2 hour from an 1hr on a very old bat
[14:27] <Kachna> thx
[14:27] <eagles0513875> Kachna: go for the 64bit dude i hate amd to be honest but hell once u go 64bit they r both good
[14:27] <eagles0513875> im dying to try a 64bit intel
[14:27] <tim_> dells batteres are crap they die in liek half a year
[14:27] <jetsaredim> Daisuke_Laptop: no, core duo is dual-core, core2 duo is just the second revision (optimized)
[14:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: order replacement
[14:27] <Kachna> why 64? i have 64bit cpu here,but running 32bit OS...
[14:27] <tim_> i did do hehehehe
[14:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: all the core 2 duos and up are 64 bit
[14:27] <eagles0513875> Kachna: u will notice u can do alot more multitasking
[14:27] <juan> eagles0513875: also dynamic mode saves more power than powersave ( i read it somewhere so not 100% but dynamic drops to min whenever it can but spends less time in s1 because when it needs to do stuff it does it fater)
[14:27] <Kachna> coz of opera,flash(need for youtube :/ and guitar lessons :P) and so on
[14:28] <Kachna> k
[14:28] <eagles0513875> for me im able to run boinc projects as well as surf the net and convert audio and my machine bearly breaks a sweat
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> ive not noticed much of a diff in 64 vs 32bit machones/os's
[14:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> jetsaredim: yeah, the core solo didn't last very long (which is what i was thinking)
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> But if the software isent designed to take advantage of 64bit - its not suprising.
[14:28] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: in time it will
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> eagles0513875 they been saying that for a few years now. :)
[14:29] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: if i program anything it will be fully 64bit backwards compatible wiht 32bit machines
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> of course i rember how long it took dualcore/multi cpu machines to take off.
[14:29] <eagles0513875> im dying to try out kubuntu on my dads new quad core desktop
[14:29] <tim_> awww man my coonections so gunner die .... downloading kubuntu and updateign while playing xbox live
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> now  i got  dual core system.. that normally only uses 10% cpu at any time. :)
[14:30] <eagles0513875> tim_: dont download it or update choose one and stick with it
[14:30] <eagles0513875> Dr_Willis: im running the 64bit of kubuntu and i love it right now its not even breaking a sweat while updating to gutsy and 2ndly i have noticed faster inetenet speed too on the 64bit lol
[14:31] <eagles0513875> with 32bit i used to get bout 110kpbs now im getting 243 kbps
[14:31] <eagles0513875> i dont know how thats possible
[14:31] <tim_> theres no such thing of internet speed speeding up with different os
[14:31] <eagles0513875> tim_: ull be suprised
[14:31] <tim_> im a networkign student
[14:31] <eagles0513875> how is it that thats happening to e
[14:31] <eagles0513875> me
[14:31] <eagles0513875> guys ill bbl need to go pick up the car
[14:31] <tim_> different peers / servers / different times in which you download
[14:32] <tim_> laters eagals
[14:35] <eagles0513875> somethign for u guys to think about
[14:35] <eagles0513875> it would be rather interesting to develop a completely java based os and java games
[14:35] <tim_> impossible
[14:35] <hydrogen> sun tried that
[14:35] <hydrogen> well
[14:35] <hydrogen> they tried to develop a java window system
[14:35] <hydrogen> look up lookingglass
[14:35] <tim_> the demand on the processor would be far too great
[14:35] <hydrogen> its effing horrible though
[14:35] <hydrogen> because java is an effing horrible language
[14:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm...  ubuntu may be killing my laptop's hard drive?
[14:36] <hydrogen> thats the current rumour
[14:36] <hydrogen> It does seem fairly substantiated
[14:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> seems like it's at least plausible
[14:37] <hydrogen> I had 86000 wakeups
[14:37] <hydrogen> when i checked yesterday
[14:37] <hydrogen> before I disabled the smart power stuff
[14:37] <hydrogen> and this laptop is only 9 mo's old
[14:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did you check?
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen some articals on that laptop hd stuff.. but Im still not convinced.
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> You can always disable that powersaving feature, from what i read with the right  command.
[14:38] <justinfate> anyone know of a wrapper or script for cksfv?
[14:39] <hydrogen> https://launchpad.net/bug59695.html has all of the info
[14:39] <methods[work]> the installation is a bit fubarred on my system
[14:39] <methods[work]> thought someone would want to know
[14:40] <methods[work]> the install windows have gone blank
[14:40] <WaltzingAlong> methods[work]: hardly enough data to help
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/ubuntu-is-not-causing-aggressive-power-management/
[14:40] <methods[work]> the title bar changed once... but now it just says "installing system" and sits there while the viewport is completely grey on the window... and the main window has frozen too
[14:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> so... this is a bug with no updates in the past year...
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> half the articals blame ubuntu, and the other half say its the bios makers defaults that are doing it.  aparently MS dosent bother to 'use' what the bios makers defaults suggest.
[14:42] <methods[work]> anyone have any idea what i should do here ? i mean i woudlnt' think it would take this long to install the system but i have no idea whats going on
[14:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dr_Willis: the launchpad link that hydrogen posted is for a bug back in 06 that has had nothing else said since last september...  it would be nice if every once in a while, devs would drop in on major bugs like that and say "hey, it's taken care of" or "hey, it's being taken care of" or "it will be"
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm
[14:44] <tim_> im so stressed out i cant update anythign adepted is saying summert esle is using it but i dotn have ought esle runnign
[14:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> 56110 load cycles, and i've had this laptop for...  3 months?
[14:44] <hydrogen> !fixadept | tim_
[14:44] <ubotu> tim_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> that seems a little high to me
[14:45] <Ace2016> hey i just found out that a fly cannot see below himself
[14:46] <Ace2016> it just sat on my lcd and when i alt+tabbed it didn't even move, but the second i move my hand towards it it left
[14:47] <Ace2016> Daisuke_Laptop: did you go to /. too? i went there and read that and i was like wtf
[14:47] <olavxxx> Ace2016: maybe he just likes the light
[14:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> Ace2016: that bug's been around for over a year now, but i didn't pay much attention to it before, as i didn't have a laptop.  the /. story reminded me that this could be an issue
[14:48] <Linusx> Using 'Find' how do I tell it to do a search of the entire hard drive?
[14:48] <WaltzingAlong> Linusx: kfind or locate
[14:48] <Nyle> I installed the kubunti gusty 7.10 and it wiped out my konqueror mouse gestures that were in regional settings
[14:48] <methods[work]> i think this install completely froze
[14:48] <Ace2016> 2090 cycles in 205 hours :(
[14:48] <Nyle> how can I get them back
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016 did you enable laptop mode?
[14:49] <Lynoure> Linusx: / is the root. if you use that as the starting point, it will span everything by default.
[14:49] <Ace2016> Dr_Willis: laptop mode? is that enabled by defaut when you install?
[14:49] <Lynoure> Linusx: it's recommended against, though.
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> laptop_mode is NOT enabled by default
[14:49] <Ace2016> i applied the fix already so its ok
[14:49] <olavxxx> what is laptop_:mode?
[14:49] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: recreate them
[14:50] <tim_> whats it mean when it shows up could nto verify intergrity of the upgrader application
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: locate them on your backup, the backup you made before installing/upgrading dist
[14:50] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: there has to be an easier way
[14:50] <Ace2016> i think its a package called laptop mode
[14:50] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: you think people would actually do that
[14:50] <Nyle> especially ubuntu users
[14:50] <Nyle> c'mon man
[14:50] <Nyle> I'll have to ask someone in kde to upload them somewhere
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016  thats the whole argument of the articals.. the 'issue' seems tobe agressive power mangement set by default in teh bios. ubuntu does not set or override the default bios powermanagement settings.
[14:51] <Ace2016> so vista does it too?
[14:51] <Ace2016> it doesn't say about vista and xp
[14:51] <Lynoure> Nyle: the easier way is called 'restoring from backups', it applies if you have backups. otherwise you can get the default ones probably back by reinstalling and reconfiguring kde, but that'll put other things back to default too, not worth it.
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> people
[14:52] <tim_> way hay starting upgrade
[14:52] <tim_> ok im off lasters
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> people   are saying that it seems vista and xp may just Ignore the bios/makers suggestions/defaults and sets their own.
[14:52] <Nyle> Lynoure: but I don't have backups :)  They were the default kde gestures, which should still be there, but they are not.  How can I get them back to the way kde does them?
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> Ace2016 how do you even check those #'s in vista and xp? how do you even change the settings in vista/xp? Ive not seen anyone mention that either.
[14:53] <Ace2016> well if you can never check them in vista then you'll never worry about it, guess thats the theory beind it
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Of course - google had a large artical a few months back about how the 'smart' stuff drive failure prediction #'s were not all that accurate.
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> Disable the power management stuff , hd makes more heat - shortens life.. enable it.. shortens life..
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> for the longest life.. remove the HD.. put it in the closet. :)
[14:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dr_Willis: and for backups, that's *exactly* what i do
[14:54] <Lynoure> Nyle: there might be "restore default settings" button somewhere... I'm not on Kubuntu this momont
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> well i gotta run./ have run
[14:55] <Ace2016> but anyone could plot a graph of load cycle count against number of failures at that load count to get a nice graph which curves off
[14:55] <Nyle> Lynoure: there isn't
[14:56] <Ace2016> restore the default kde settings or kubuntu settings?
[14:57] <Lynoure> Nyle: if you still have this problem tomorrow, feel free to leave me msg, and I can dig for my gestures
[14:57] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: check with #kde about where the mouse gestures are stored, if you have yours still, and what needs to be done
[14:58] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: maybe the defaults have changed?
[14:58] <Nyle> all I did was upgrade to gusty
[14:58] <Nyle> no clue what happened
[14:59] <Nyle> where is the gestures file located?
[15:00] <olavxxx> is it easy to run dual-boot on kubuntu + mythbuntu ?
[15:00] <Nyle> I think the file is called khotkeysrc
[15:00] <Nyle> ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc
[15:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> why would you need to dual boot that?
[15:00] <olavxxx> so I can compare the linuxmce vs mythbuntu on the same pc, not only screenshots and youtube :P
[15:00] <Nyle> ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc <-- can someone upload this file somewhere
[15:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[15:01] <olavxxx> its just to install them both?
[15:01] <Nyle> I think this file controls the mouse gestures
[15:01] <Nyle> its just a text file, you could pastebin it for me?
[15:01] <Nyle> anyone
[15:01] <Nyle> :)
[15:01] <ardchoille> Nyle: I would upload it but I don't have it.. nor do I have a khotkeys* anywhere in my Gutsy
[15:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dunno, you seem desperate... what's in it for me?
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: how about #kde
[15:01] <Nyle> ardchoille: I do
[15:01] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: I asked there as well
[15:02] <ardchoille> Nyle: Is that one of those files that is only created after you change from the defaults?
[15:02] <Nyle> no one at this particular time knows how to reset them or get themb ack
[15:02] <Nyle> ardchoille: afaik, it should be either there, or in /usr/shared/somewhere
[15:02] <Ace2016> Nyle: ar eyou talking about your custom settings or kubuntu 7.04's default settings being changed when you updated?
[15:02] <Nyle> I think default is /usr/share somwhere, and then if you uncheck globally disable mouse gesture, to you can enable them, it creates tha in ~/.kde
[15:02] <Nyle> I'm not positive
[15:02] <Nyle> I think
[15:03] <Nyle> I never had custom settings
[15:03] <Nyle> in 7.04 kde came with mouse gestures
[15:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> Nyle: how much do you love me?
[15:03] <JohnFlux_> if I'm running the 64bit version of ubuntu, will I be able to run this on 64bit intel chips?
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: ~/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc   is what you want? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42823/
[15:03] <Nyle> 7.10 none, the whole box is blank
[15:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> WaltzingAlong: well you're no fun
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke_Laptop: well mine may be blank, give yours a go
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: so should we could grab the packages from feisty, extract the file in question, and tada
[15:05] <Nyle> well I shouldn't have to do that
[15:05] <Nyle> if everything 'works out of the box'
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: lol
[15:05] <Nyle> which is apparantly does not
[15:05] <Nyle> :)
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> not possible that "everything" works out of the box
[15:05] <Nyle> thats what ubuntu claims doesn't it
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> kubuntu is not ubuntu
[15:05] <Nyle> anyway this is probably going to start an argument
[15:05] <Nyle> leave it
[15:06] <Nyle> help me get my gestures back
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> are you from the usa?
[15:06] <Nyle> and no the khotkeys didn't do anything
[15:06] <Nyle> WaltzingAlong: no
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: alright because that was the file i have on here but then again i have not enabled them nor do i use them
[15:06] <hydrogen> this is silly.
[15:06] <hydrogen> there was no box
[15:06] <hydrogen> so it won't work out of it.
[15:06] <hydrogen> I win.
[15:06] <hydrogen> now lets move on
[15:06] <Nyle> hydrogen: i missed you
[15:06] <hydrogen> ubuntu didn't come from a bo
[15:06] <hydrogen> x
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> Nyle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/159008
[15:06] <Nyle> long tim e no see
[15:06] <Nyle> whats been up
[15:06] <hydrogen> so of course it didn't work out of the box.
[15:07] <hydrogen> oh
[15:07] <hydrogen> its nyle
[15:07] <hydrogen> err
[15:07] <hydrogen> stoned
[15:07] <hydrogen> I missed you too!
[15:07] <hydrogen> but
[15:07] <Nyle> wow
[15:07] <hydrogen> I need to go
[15:07] <hydrogen> so
[15:07] <Nyle> 79 images on that page
[15:07] <Nyle> konqueror told me
[15:07] <Nyle> thats horrible
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> images are horrible?
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> i saw eighty some
[15:08] <Nyle> it makes things very slow
[15:08] <Nyle> why can't people keep it simple, and not use images
[15:08] <Nyle> debian websites kick butt
[15:08] <hydrogen> loaded in an instant for me!
[15:08] <hydrogen> but then again
[15:08] <hydrogen> I use opera
[15:08] <hydrogen> so of course it did
[15:08] <hydrogen> anyways
[15:08] <hydrogen> i'm off
[15:08] <hydrogen> !enter | hydrogen
[15:08] <Nyle> some people are on a speed only 5x bigger than dialup
[15:08] <Nyle> so...
[15:08] <Jucato> ubotu: tell hydrogen about enter
[15:09] <Jucato> :D
[15:09] <Nyle> Jucato: he knows everything
[15:09] <Nyle> my man whas up
[15:09] <WaltzingAlong> sure dns makes is slow
[15:09] <Nyle> Jucato: you know how to get my kde konueror gestures back
[15:09] <Jucato> nooope :(
[15:09] <Jucato> missing Input Actions contents?
[15:09] <Nyle> yes
[15:11] <MGalaxy_> hello, I want to buy a new laptop ( HP dv9500t ) , how can I find that whether it works properly in Kubuntu 7.10 ?
[15:12] <timri> Nyle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/152190 provides a workaround
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> MGalaxy_: livecd
[15:13] <MGalaxy_> WaltzingAlong, I want to be sure before buying the laptop :D
[15:13] <WaltzingAlong> MGalaxy_: it works ... how well is the next question. find out about the devices inside, chipsets and such
[15:15] <qolo> take the cd to the store
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[15:15] <WaltzingAlong> perform an in store demo for all onlookers
[15:15] <MGalaxy_> WaltzingAlong, for example it has "Verizon Wireless V740 ExpressCard", how can I understand that it works in kubuntu 7.10 ?
[15:16] <llutz> MGalaxy_: http://home.earthlink.net/~george164/dv9500t/dv9500t.html  for more info
[15:16] <MGalaxy_> qolo, lol, Is is impossible, I am trying to but it from website :D
[15:17] <MGalaxy_> llutz, thx, but it is about gentoo, it may doesnt work in kubuntu, am i right ?
[15:17] <Nyle> that workaround did not work for me
[15:18] <llutz> MGalaxy_: it shows used hardware and may point out some problems.
[15:19] <MGalaxy_> llutz, is it possible that a hardware which works in gentoo does not work in kubuntu ?
[15:19] <timri> MGalaxy_: HP 9500 series have big problems with sound in Gutsy
[15:19] <llutz> MGalaxy_: depending on used kernel/patches, yes
[15:20] <MGalaxy_> timri, really, do u have hp 9500 series laptop ?
[15:21] <MGalaxy_> llutz, thx
[15:21] <timri> MGalaxy_: no, but 2 minutes of googling gave lots of hits
[15:21] <timri> MGalaxy_: last one I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=569789
[15:21] <MGalaxy_> timri, thx
[15:24] <pbn> Hello, how can I disable the "switch user" button when the screen is locked ?
[15:24] <pbn> and also how can I disable the "hibernate" button when the user clicks the red button ?
[15:25] <timri> pbn: Perhaps kiosk has those features, dunno
[15:26] <Nyle> sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install kdeaccessibility <-- first I tried to reinstall the package so i can get the conf back, but I didn't, so probably I don't have the correct package
[15:26] <timri> Nyle: you could grab it manually from packages.ubuntu.com
[15:26] <Nyle> scp khotkeysrc stoned@desktop:/home/stoned/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc <-- khotkeysrc from my debian unstable box has already Version=2 in the main section
[15:26] <Nyle> but.. its ok
[15:26] <Nyle> I have it back now and everything is hunky dory
[15:27] <Nyle> point being, you want soemthing done, do it yourself, on irc, you get 1 million people with 1 million solutions
[15:27] <Nyle> it gets frustrating when you try one after the other
[15:27]  * DarthWar sees 380 people
[15:27] <Nyle> thanks for pointing out the bug resources
[15:27] <Nyle> thats basically what helped me figure out the solution
[15:27] <timri> Nyle: be sure to update those bugreports, so other people can learn from your ordeal
[15:28] <Nyle> oh man
[15:28] <Nyle> thats a bit too much work
[15:28] <Nyle> I basically just copied a working file from another distro
[15:28] <Nyle> I don't know how desirable that would be for others
[15:29] <timri> Nyle: Might be very useful, so people stop looking for missing .so files etc.
[15:29] <Nyle> hmm
[15:29] <Nyle> do I have to register?
[15:30] <lulu> something is terribly wrong with my knetworkmanager. How can I connect to a wireless network from commandline?
[15:30] <mzk> test
[15:31] <timri> mzk: You're coming through loud and clear :)
[15:31] <navets> can someone help me, i have no sound mixer
[15:31] <navets> how do i get one
[15:31] <Nyle> install kmix
[15:31] <martoya> lulu: sudo iwconfig ethX essid networkname && sudo ifup ethX
[15:31] <Nyle> navets: do you have sound?
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: no
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: i dont have a mixer
[15:32] <Nyle> ok
[15:32] <timri> martoya: he is talking wireless
[15:32] <navets> Nyle: when i type alsamixer in a terminal, i get an error
[15:32] <timri> martoya: (or she of course, sorry)
[15:32] <Nyle> what error?
[15:32] <navets> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[15:32] <TimS> Whats the difference between hibernate and suspend
[15:33] <martoya> timri: some wifi cards use ethX or wlanX o raX, whatever
[15:33] <lulu> martoya: and if network is encrypted how do I provide the key?
[15:33] <informaticous> slt tous le monde
[15:33] <timri> martoya: yeah, I know, but knetworkmanager does not touch /etc/network/interfaces
[15:33] <informaticous> sori
[15:33] <Nyle> navets: what sound card?
[15:34] <timri> martoya: So to get wpa etc going, is a bit more involved
[15:34] <martoya> timri: ok, you win
[15:34] <martoya> timri: try install kwlan
[15:34] <timri> martoya:  :P
[15:34] <martoya> lulu: try install kwlan
[15:34] <navets> Nyle: uhh I am not sure, its generic realtech I think, is there a way to find out
[15:35] <navets> I am using a toshiba satellite a100 laptop if that helps
[15:35] <Nyle> navets: lspci
[15:35] <tim_> morning
[15:37] <navets> Nyle: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[15:37] <Nyle> hmm
[15:37] <Nyle> that should work automatically
[15:37] <Vermux> how do I burn ISO file with kubuntu? which program?
[15:37] <timri> navets: The ubuntu forums are full of people with problems using Intel HDA with Gutsy
[15:37] <Nyle> navets: lsmod|grep snd
[15:38] <Nyle> timri: gusty problem
[15:38] <Roey> another goatse gibbon problem?
[15:38] <navets> Nyle: i get a lot of output from that command, what am I looking for?
[15:39] <Nyle> navets: looking to see if all the snd modules are loaded
[15:39] <Vermux> how do I burn image with kubuntu?
[15:39] <Nyle> Vermux: start k3b
[15:39] <timri> Vermux: Doubleclick the ISO, it starts K3B
[15:39] <navets> Nyle: hum, I dont know what they are, but there are about 10-12 there
[15:40] <Nyle> if you move to another linux distro it might have that setup
[15:40] <Nyle> go to Kmenu > Multimedia > K3B
[15:40] <Nyle> might not*
[15:41] <navets> is there a way to re-install my sound card
[15:41] <Nyle> well I dont know about kubuntu
[15:41] <Nyle> but on debian sid, i use alsaconf
[15:41] <Nyle> I don't even think kubuntu has alsaconf
[15:42] <navets> it does
[15:42] <navets> im gonna run it
[15:42] <Nyle> then use it
[15:42] <Nyle> more put out regarding if it works or not
[15:42] <navets> it found 2 cards on my system
[15:42] <navets> the hda-intel
[15:42] <Nyle> yes
[15:42] <navets> and legacy
[15:42] <Nyle> that
[15:42] <Nyle> not legacy
[15:43] <navets> ok
[15:43] <navets> do I have to restart now?
[15:43] <Nyle> no
[15:44] <navets> humm, well then this didn't solve my problem
[15:44] <Nyle> try to use alsamixer on cli
[15:44] <laptop> are there  kde 4 beta 4  packages ?
[15:44] <Nyle> you get the same error message?
[15:44] <navets> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[15:44] <navets> yup
[15:44] <Nyle> hmm
[15:44] <Nyle> hang on
[15:44] <navets> k
[15:44] <ardchoille> laptop: KDE4.0 Beta 4 and development platform rc was recently released
[15:45] <ardchoille> laptop:  http://dot.kde.org/1193780926/
[15:45] <Kachna> !mconf
[15:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:45] <Kachna> guys,what the hell mconf is?
[15:45] <Dresken> I'm trying to mount an NTFS external HDD, but it won't mount for some reason and keeps showing me this:
[15:46] <Dresken> "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[15:46] <Dresken> Anyone knows how to fix this? x_x
[15:46] <jpatrick> ardchoille, laptop: yes, there are, but I don't think they're ready
[15:46] <ardchoille> jpatrick: Ah, ok
[15:46] <jpatrick> ardchoille: we are that fast
[15:47] <ubuntu_> hola?
[15:47] <jpatrick> !es | ubuntu_
[15:47] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[15:47] <Kachna> aaargh
[15:48] <Kachna>  6605 root      25   0  7548 6300  924 R 85.8  0.6 655:51.18 mconf
[15:48] <Kachna> pls! what the hell mconf is?
[15:48] <ubuntu_> ayuda porfa!!!
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: what do you get with cat /dev/dsp
[15:49] <navets> Nyle: no directory or file
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: I was looking to see if this is a device node problem, as my experience goes, once I had to run the snddevices script to generate the proper device nodes
[15:49] <GuHHH>  does anyone uses apache chrooted with phpldapadmin? i cant get phpldapadmin working on the chroot environment
[15:49] <Nyle> navets: aha
[15:49] <timri> Dresken: Is this what you want> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/115768
[15:50] <sedeki> i'm having problems logging in to msn with kopete
[15:50] <llutz> Kachna: you tried to compile/config a kernel?
[15:50] <Kachna> not yet today
[15:50] <navets> Nyle: hummm am I supose to have something there
[15:50] <Kachna> if i do,it's in chrooted enviroment
[15:50] <Kachna> and i'm not chrooted there now
[15:52] <sedeki> How come I can "ping google.com" in konsole but I can't use konqueror to surf google.com?
[15:52] <Nyle> navets: paste the output of lsmod|grep snd on pastebin
[15:52] <Nyle> navets: its either that the kernel module driver isn't loaded, or that for some reason you don't have the proper device nodes created (I guess by udev)
[15:53] <Nyle> I'm no expert, but I'll try to help
[15:53] <Nyle> afaik, on debian at least, alsa came with a script called snddevices which generated those device nodes, after which you run alsaconf and it works fine
[15:54] <Nyle> this was a problem back a few months ago in sid, so if ubuntu makes a copy of sid every 6 months, more than likely its carried over and not reported or looked at
[15:54] <Nyle> I don't see the snddevices script where it usually is
[15:54] <navets> Nyle: http://pastebin.com/m4f7c4078
[15:55] <Smackware> Hi
[15:55] <winterelf> smeack
[15:55] <Nyle> navets: sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[15:56] <Smackware> I just upgraded to gusty and noticed the .hidden file feature was removed due to complains. Is there an option to get it back to work?
[15:56] <Smackware> winterelf: Sup?
[15:56] <navets> Nyle: I get an error
[15:57] <Nyle> what
[15:57] <navets> Nyle: FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[15:57] <Nyle> navets: check dmesg
[15:57] <Nyle> and that looks like a bug
[15:57] <Nyle> check the gusty bug tracker for the alsa-base pacakge
[15:57] <Linusx> Is there some way (that I don't find) to add 'seconds' to the date and time display? (am Using KDE, Dapper, and an old iMac)
[15:58] <navets> Nyle: I see Unknown symbole a lot lol
[15:59] <Nyle> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/148561
[16:02] <navets> Nyle: thanks
[16:02] <Nyle> did that help
[16:02] <Nyle> ?
[16:02] <timri> Smackware: Bad news https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/129796
[16:03] <navets> Nyle: not really, I have not had this issue the whole time I was using gutsy
[16:04] <Nyle> navets: what kinda computer is it?
[16:04] <navets> i had a sound issue in feisty but was able to fix it by installing the latest alsa drivres
[16:04] <navets> toshiba satellite a100
[16:04] <navets> I tried to install the lastest alsa sound drivers in gutsy, but now It says i have no mixer at al
[16:04] <Smackware> timri: Thanks. Bummer for me. I liked that feature
[16:04] <navets> all
[16:05] <Jucato> Linusx: right-click on the clock -> Configure Clock
[16:05] <W8TAH|Class> I am currently setting up a kubuntu gusty machine -- i use kvirc a lot and would like to use their svn snapshot that is a .deb file -- its v 3.2.6-1  because its a .deb file, i ASSUME that it wont be installed via synaptic / adept / whatever, how do i go about installing it
[16:05] <Nyle> man dpkg
[16:05] <Nyle> dpkg -i blah.deb
[16:05] <timri> W8TAH|Class: ehh, it will
[16:06] <podliak> CZ/SK someone ?
[16:06] <W8TAH|Class> timri: be installed by synaptic etc?
[16:06] <Nyle> W8TAH|Class: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[16:06] <Smackware> knetworkmanager 0.2 doesn't recognize my WiFi adapter. Even though I can connect with wpa_supplicant just fine and kcontrol shows the adapter as well. What could cause this?
[16:06] <navets> Nyle: do you want me to use dpkg on something?
[16:06] <Nyle> or you can waste time pointing and clicking
[16:06] <Nyle> navets: wasn't meant for you sorry
[16:06] <navets> ahh ok
[16:06] <timri> W8TAH|Class: Even doubleclicking to install now (sometimes) works. (the other times python barfs and dies)
[16:06] <Jucato> !cz | podliak
[16:07] <Ahmuck> what would cause adept package manager to disappear from the menu?
[16:07] <Jucato> Ahmuck: aside from being unisntalled?
[16:07] <Nyle> navets: I don't know what to tell ya
[16:07] <Smackware> By the way, the adapter is listed in kcontrol under "restricted drivers". Perhaps this is related
[16:07] <Ahmuck> Jucato: ya, i did not uninstall it
[16:07] <W8TAH|Class> timri: ahh -- ok
[16:07] <Op3r> how can you update the menu of kubuntu? I mean i installed kooldock and kcontrol but its not shown in the menu?
[16:07] <Ahmuck> Ah, I know --- kiosktool
[16:08] <timri> Ahmuck: hehe, cant let users use a package manager of course :)
[16:08] <Nyle> navets: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3#2
[16:08] <Jucato> podliak: <Ubotwo> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[16:09] <navets> Nyle ill try installing these
[16:10] <pabligeno> hola
[16:10] <timri> Op3r: had the same pb wrt kcontrol: just rightclick on the menu and choose edit menu, you can add an item there
[16:10] <pabligeno> alguien puede ayudarme?
[16:10] <timri> !sp
[16:10] <Ubotwo> Factoid sp not found
[16:11] <timri> !es
[16:11] <Ubotwo> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:12] <Smackware> nevermind. solved
[16:14] <Jucato> !grub
[16:14] <Ubotwo> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:15] <pabligeno> hi
[16:15] <eindbaas> Hi! I came across this article online that explained on how to enable compiz fusion in ubuntu 7.10 without doing the compiz --replace thing.
[16:15] <pabligeno> what is the best app for manage my wi fi connections
[16:15] <eindbaas> Is this also possible in kubuntu?
[16:15] <pabligeno> ?
[16:17] <Ahmuck> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[16:17] <Ahmuck> this lib is causing multiple segfaults
[16:17] <rakan> pabligeno: kwifimanager
[16:18] <pabligeno> thsnks
[16:19] <benpicco_> Hi, I installed the latest fglrx driver for my X1950Pro, but there is still no direct rendering/3d acceleraltion - i've added it to my xorg.conf http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/16660
[16:23] <_Shade_> anyone using kde4 here?
[16:24]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:25] <coteyr> i know its around here somewhere but my laptop has a cheap nic with a bad mac how do I get it to stop rotating I have not /etc/iftab
[16:25] <timri> coteyr: remove your laptop from the turntable
[16:25] <crunch> i need help with kubuntu
[16:25] <W8TAH|Class> crunch: i'll try -- whats up?
[16:26] <coteyr> tirmi; almost funny
[16:26] <genii> coteyr: Is this by any chance a Marvell Yukon chipset in the nic?
[16:26] <timri> coteyr: sorry, been reading bash.org
[16:26] <crunch> great, hey there. i just finish installing kubuntu for the 2nd time on a 2nd partition. i changed a desktop theme in the first kubuntu and when i load that one the only thing i see is the kopete messanger and nothing else.
[16:27] <W8TAH|Class> thats a nonstandard install method, correct?
[16:27] <coteyr> genii; nvidia
[16:27] <crunch> what you mean by a non standard install method?
[16:27] <W8TAH|Class> sounds to me like you are trying to run more than one copy of kubuntu
[16:27] <genii> coteyr: Nvidia doesn't make network adapters. Do you know the chipset of the network adapter
[16:28] <crunch> yeah but in reality i just wan't my FIRST KUBUNTU and not this second one.
[16:28] <W8TAH|Class> back up your critical data, and configs, format and re-install -- anything else and you are looking at problems
[16:28] <coteyr> genii, how does one get the vendor id again and i will look it up
[16:28] <rakan> hello
[16:29] <crunch> i don't know how to reinstall
[16:29] <rakan> i installed Compiz on my Kubuntu
[16:29] <rakan> how can check it out?
[16:29] <crunch> i don't know how to remove kubuntu, do you know
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> ya -- its easy
[16:29] <rakan> is there a set of keys
[16:29] <crunch> how
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> back up any data and configs that you want to keep
[16:29] <blendtux> by running it rakan
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> pop the live CD into the drive
[16:29] <crunch> i don't need to backup anything, its not much
[16:29] <crunch> yeah..
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> reboot the comptuer
[16:29] <rakan> erm
[16:29] <W8TAH|Class> when it gets to the drive formatting / partitioning section of the setup
[16:29] <rakan> whats the command?
[16:30] <rakan> i can't find it on my menu
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> tell it to erase the entire disk and use the whole thing
[16:30] <rakan> blendtux: new to linux :)
[16:30] <crunch> i did delete it and i still couldn't like use it for a new install
[16:30] <crunch> so i was like forced to make a 2nd one using free space from that one.
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> did you choose erase the entire disk?
[16:30] <crunch> yes i did
[16:30] <blendtux> oke, well to be honest i never run compiz
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> hummm --
[16:30] <crunch> and it erasd it.....but it wouldn't let me install in it
[16:30] <W8TAH|Class> ok -- are you on that comptuer now or a different one?
[16:30] <genii> coteyr: lspci -nn
[16:31] <genii> afk, core dump
[16:31] <blendtux> there is allso a compiz channel on this server rakan
[16:31] <crunch> i'm on my only laptop where i have 2 kubuntus install and i just wana go back to my first one
[16:31] <crunch> w8tah - my first one.....i don't see the bottom bar...i only see the kopete messanger
[16:32] <rakan> blendtux: found it
[16:32] <W8TAH|Class> im not sure - it sounds like 2 hozed installs -- if it were me -- id DBAN the disk and start over -- but use that at your own risk and with caution -- you have been warned
[16:32] <crunch> dban takes 2 days?
[16:32] <blendtux> cool, and what do you think of compiz, is it running oke rakan
[16:32] <crunch> which is a long time
[16:32] <W8TAH|Class> never has for me -- only an hour or so
[16:33] <W8TAH|Class> how many passes did you set it for?
[16:33] <crunch> w8tah do you have AIM so i can talk to u as i delete the partition and etc
[16:33] <W8TAH|Class> ya -- im w8tahham on aim
[16:37]  * genii sips a coffee
[16:39] <rakan> blendtux: it aint running yet
[16:40] <timri> coteyr: You say you dont have iftab. Is bc you dont want to use ifrename?
[16:40] <blendtux> oh oke, i thought you said that you found it
[16:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:40] <crunch> anyone used the dban before and know what settings to use to finish in 1hr
[16:41] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to compile my own kernel, and it gets a different suffix than I enter... Shouldn't just the "generic" be replaced by my own suffix?
[16:42] <MilhousePunkRock> I cannot recompile linux-restricted-modules because of this
[16:42] <_Shade_> .join #launchpad
[16:42] <frojnd> Hello there
[16:42] <coteyr> timri, i want my nic to have the same mac every time i reboot
[16:42] <_Shade_> sorry
[16:42] <sven_> How can I have ps return me only the top 5 highest CPU using processes?
[16:43] <frojnd> I have a problem setting up wired network. I can't connect to it. But on wireless network I could connect.
[16:43] <frojnd> Does anyone know why comes to this?
[16:43] <sealuno> yo peolple
[16:43] <sealuno> speak
[16:44] <timri> coteyr: Ah, ok, in that case ifrename wont help you
[16:44] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: I have had problems with faulty cables before, that would be the first thing I would check
[16:44] <coteyr> timri, currenyl it changes, this is bacuase the mac on the nic is bad i am assuming for what I read
[16:44] <coteyr> but i should be able to set it staticly myself
[16:44] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, aha
[16:45] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: So if the lights on the ethernet card or on the router don't work, the cable is bad
[16:45] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, lights works..
[16:46] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: when i change from my wireless at home to the wired network at home, all i have to do is "sudo ifconfig ath0 down && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[16:46] <timri> coteyr: I understand, but why do you want that mac address fixed (mac based filtering or somesuch?), just curious
[16:46] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I have 2  comptuers that was connected to wifi before. This one (laptop) and I had to just to disable wireless wwith Fn + F2  But other computer is a box...
[16:46] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: What method are you trying? Network manager, or manual?
[16:47] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, network manager
[16:47] <coteyr> "Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC." on boot
[16:47] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, but if this doesn't work I'll try manually
[16:48] <timri> coteyr: Anyway, I would use ifrename based on businfo (lshw -class network coteyr: In that case, cant you use ifrename (with businfo selector) followed by a hwaddress stanza in network interfaces file?
[16:48] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: All you will need is the sufficient info in the /etc/network/interfaces for your wired card, and the appropriate resolv.conf
[16:48] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, Ok I don't know exactly what my settings for wifi or wired are... how can I check what is wifi and what not
[16:48] <timri> coteyr: ehh. messed up the formatting sry
[16:49] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Wired should be ethX, wifi might be different, depending on your card vendor
[16:49] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You could paste the "ifconfig" output, I am pretty sure it will be obvious which is which
[16:49] <tehk> domino is such a nice style
[16:50] <frojnd> just a sec MilhousePunkRock so I can paste it
[16:50] <ScorpKing> frojnd: run iwconfig
[16:50] <ScorpKing> it will show wifi cards
[16:50] <frojnd> ScorpKing, iwconfig: ra0 wireless....
[16:51] <frojnd> so it's wireless MilhousePunkRock and ScorpKing
[16:51] <ScorpKing> :D
[16:51] <frojnd> so now eth0 down
[16:51] <frojnd> I mean ra0 down
[16:51] <frojnd> and eth0 up ?
[16:51] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yes
[16:52] <frojnd> hm: sudo ra0: command not found
[16:52] <timri> coteyr: Found something: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/nvidia-nforce-network-adapter-has-different-mac-adress-every-boot-569576/?s=6564a1c7f03a48e8c96210a8ed92fc2a
[16:52] <frojnd> :S
[16:53] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: sudo ifconfig <interface> up/down
[16:53] <timri> frojnd: Sorry to interrupt, but I think Gutsy  use wlan0 instead of ra0 (serialmonkey drivers I think)
[16:54] <frojnd> timri, on the computer that won't connect is feisty
[16:54] <timri> frojnd: I KNEW I shouldnt interrupt without reading everything. Just ignore me :)
[16:55] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: He just got the interface name from iwconfig, it's 100% correct
[16:55] <frojnd> anyeays MilhousePunkRock http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42827/ ifconfig
[16:56] <frojnd> before I made sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[16:56] <frojnd> and now its the same ifconfig exepct ra0 is missing
[16:56] <frojnd> but it still won't connect
[16:56] <frojnd> hm..
[16:56] <ScorpKing> frojnd: if you use knetworkmanager what happens?
[16:56] <MilhousePunkRock> did you do sudo ifconfig eth0 up too?
[16:56] <E_mE> Ive just tried installing xserver-xgl with gutsy so i can get compiz working.. But when ever i do startx it just goes into X and doesn't continue to KDE
[16:57] <E_mE> im using an ATI x300
[16:57] <MilhousePunkRock> E_mE: #ubuntu-effects
[16:57] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes
[16:57] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yeah, I see, it's up... Can you ping anything? Make sure the IP, Gateway, Subnet and DNS are correct
[16:58] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, when I ping router: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[16:59] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, when I ping dns: network unreachable
[16:59] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That's weird...
[16:59] <E_mE> MilhousePunkRock: it doesn't seem to be compiz;s problem.. it appears to be xserver-xgl problem... since it refuses to go into KDE
[17:00] <MilhousePunkRock> E_mE: Well, I am sure the people in ubuntu-effects will know more about xgl than the people here..
[17:00] <aguitel> how open dwg files?
[17:00] <ScorpKing> aguitel: with a CAD program
[17:01] <E_mE> MilhousePunkRock: it rediverts to compiz-fusion
[17:01] <aguitel> ScorpKing: and for ubuntu what ?
[17:01] <ScorpKing> aguitel: search in google for linux cad programs
[17:02] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: Two different broadcast addresses???
[17:03] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, /etc/network/interfaces output after I took down ra0 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42828/
[17:03] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: Huh? There's probably only one broadcast address on the average SoHo network
[17:04] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: Yeah, but not in his ifconfig output :)
[17:04] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Do you have static adresses at all?  Check your ifconfig paste, it's different IP ranges and a different broadcast
[17:06] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Which one is right?
[17:08] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I'm not sure what u mean:           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS> this ?
[17:08] <I-love-debian> hello
[17:08] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Yes, your ra0 is on 192.168.0.something, that's a different network
[17:09] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, this one isn't right
[17:09] <I-love-debian> I have installed kubuntu on an ntfs partition, how to make it a real install?
[17:09] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, 192.168.0 something was for wifi
[17:10] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, My IP: <IP_ADDRESS>, gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:10] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You have two seperate networks? For me, it's the same network for both wired and wifi machines
[17:10] <timri> frojnd: Your subnetting is a bit ehhh... weird you are using 2 class C networks
[17:10] <frojnd> anyway, now I only need wired network on this computer
[17:10] <frojnd> so I can set everything from ground up
[17:10] <frojnd> just don't know hoe
[17:10] <frojnd> how*
[17:10] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: But is it a different network?
[17:11] <timri> so change the wired subnet to match that of the wireless one
[17:11] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I still don't understatnd what u mea, 192.168.0something came form wifi somehow..
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: But isnt it the same network you are trying to connect to? Do you have two routers?
[17:12] <frojnd> now
[17:12] <frojnd> I  have one router
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> Since I don't think so, just do what timri said
[17:12] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: That is always a good idea :)
[17:12] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: did you install on ntfs or a resized ntfs partition?
[17:12] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, only the UTP cable that is in my room seperates since I put in switch for multiple comps..
[17:12] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Then you have one network, and the settings for eth0 will have to match those for ra0, except the IP
[17:13] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That does not make it a different subnet, I have a switch too since my router only has four ports
[17:13] <frojnd> aha
[17:13] <I-love-debian> On an regualr NTFS partition!
[17:13] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, where do I set this settings ?
[17:14] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Either edit the /etc/network/interfaces with root privileges
[17:14] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Or read the ifconfig man page how to pass it through from the cli ;)
[17:15] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I would reather hear help from u since u know how to fix it
[17:15] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: wow. lol. you just want to convert the current install to ext3 right? i dont know of any converters.
[17:15] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: You could even use the manual setting that network-manager offers
[17:15] <I-love-debian> yes
[17:15] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I think my network-manager doesn't work right
[17:16] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: can't you reinstall?
[17:17] <W8TAH|Class> im planning to try building KVIRC from source -- i'll install build-essential -- is there anything else that anyone knows of right off the bat i should be installing to smooth the path?
[17:17] <I-love-debian> Yes, but i don't have a bios password, or any easy way to boot
[17:17] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42828/ what exactly do i have to change here
[17:17] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: I would say, that's not only your network manager, but network-manager in general, but that's just my humble opinion
[17:17] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, network-manager yes
[17:18] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Replace the .2. in address and gateway with .0. and you should be good to go
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, But this adress is correct :S
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, for this network
[17:19] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, I use it on my laptop right now
[17:19] <timri> frojnd: Is your router on that network?
[17:19] <frojnd> timri, yes
[17:20] <frojnd> those settings are correct, that's why is bugging me all this
[17:20] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to do a "apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic" and I get a lot of 404 errors, installing a package from the same archive works fine though, any ideas anyone?
[17:20] <timri> frojnd: Then why does your ifconfig tell something different? Remember: 192.168.0.* is not 192.168.2.* !!
[17:20] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: If you are using the same address, that's the reason! IPs are supposed to be unique
[17:21] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i think you will have to reinstall as there doesn't seem to be a converter for that.
[17:21] <frojnd> timri, MilhousePunkRock  so something mess this up, couse in network-manager are the same settings as in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:21] <timri> frojnd: Other point: Dont forget to reserve on your router a small range of static IP address (because you are obviously using them for the wired network)
[17:22] <I-love-debian> ok, how? No cd no usb missing bios pwd, and I have windows admin acces
[17:22] <frojnd> timri, it's the small range
[17:22] <pabligeno> hola
[17:22] <pabligeno> como estan
[17:22] <timri> frojnd: ?
[17:22] <pabligeno> how to install beryl in my hp 530?
[17:23] <frojnd> timri, this isn't the q. The Q is why do I  have to different IPs and how to correct this
[17:23] <MilhousePunkRock> pabligeno: #ubuntu-effects
[17:23] <timri> frojnd: To correct it: change the .2. in .0. or viceversa (cant remember)
[17:23] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Every IP can only be used once, if you ar already using it on your laptop, just add 1 to it and try again
[17:24] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: If he insists that is not his problem... ;)
[17:24] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: >)
[17:24] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, timri how can I explain 192.168.2.X is range.....
[17:24] <frojnd> it has to be 2 three...
[17:24] <frojnd> there
[17:24] <pabligeno> how is a spanish channel?
[17:24] <MilhousePunkRock> !es | pabligeno
[17:24] <ubotu> pabligeno: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[17:24] <timri> frojnd: Sorry but 192.168.2.* is a completely different network from 192.168.0.*
[17:25] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Are you in the IP range that is specified on your router?
[17:25] <frojnd> timri, I KNOW and I DON'T wanna 192.168.0.* :)
[17:25] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes, IPs has tobe from 1-20
[17:25] <timri> frojnd: :) so change the .0. in .2.
[17:25] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: And is it unused?
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes..
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, noone uses this IP
[17:26] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: And did you check ALL cables? since you said you use a switch...
[17:26] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, yes
[17:26] <timri> frojnd: sudo sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces
[17:27] <timri> frojnd: Of course noone uses that IP, because IT IS ON ANOTHER NETWORK :)
[17:27]  * timri bashes head on table
[17:27]  * ScorpKing pass timri some aspirin..
[17:28] <timri> ScorpKing: Better give it to the table
[17:28] <garthis> hi there
[17:28] <frojnd> timri, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42830/
[17:28] <frojnd> timri, OK do u wan't to see settings from the computer that I'm on and is connected..
[17:29] <timri> frojnd: Ok, but just wait 2 minutes (bathroombreak)
[17:29] <garthis> i upgraded to gutsy, but i did not complete without problems. installing tool crashed several times and i am not sure it upgraded correctly
[17:30] <frojnd> timri, ok
[17:30] <frojnd> timri, just don't give up on me :P
[17:30] <garthis> so, how do i know everything's ok?
[17:30] <I-love-debian> I wan't to install debian, how do I make an ext3 partition without bios and cd boot
[17:30] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: YOU ARE TRYING TO CONNECT WITH THE SAME IP TWICE
[17:30] <MilhousePunkRock> pardon my shouting...
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Iam baaaaack!
[17:31] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: The computer you are on has the .17, the other one needs a different one
[17:31] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you use *ubuntu?
[17:31] <I-love-debian> kubuntu
[17:31] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: He is infact trying to re-use an already taken IP
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Everything would be easier if you used a dynamic IP
[17:31] <timri> frojnd: Would you be OK with that?
[17:32] <MilhousePunkRock> timri: No way, static IP for the win... KISS principle
[17:32] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: sudo cfdisk /dev/hd?
[17:32] <fkm> Is someone here using KMail with the "Enterprise Headers"?
[17:32] <I-love-debian> Fatal error cannot open disk drive
[17:32] <timri> frojnd: ?
[17:33] <jpatrick> fkm: yeah, it's in the lastest kubuntu
[17:33] <timri> MilhousePunkRock: If we use dhcp we get rid of the two networks discussion
[17:33] <timri> frojnd: You still there?
[17:33] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: replace hd? with your disk and make sure it's not mounted
[17:34] <eagles0513875> im back
[17:34] <eagles0513875> and rather pissed off atm and jealous
[17:34] <fkm> jpatrick, Yepp. Do you also have the attachements not displayed completely? Here on my PC and on my laptop they are only displayed about half the width.
[17:34] <jpatrick> mine are fine
[17:34] <frojnd> timri, sorry
[17:34]  * timri cant use private messages (not registered)
[17:34] <frojnd> timri, Im still here
[17:34] <eagles0513875> !register |timri
[17:34] <fkm> jpatrick, Ok, thank you. That's enough motivation to try to fix it on my own :D
[17:35] <eagles0513875> !register
[17:35] <jpatrick> fkm: fixes are welcome :)
[17:35] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: Just change the IP to something other than .17 and you are fine
[17:35] <eagles0513875> who broked the bot
[17:35] <I-love-debian> It isn't mounted
[17:35] <ubotu> timri: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[17:35] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, how can I restart network
[17:36] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: what is the disk called? /dev/<what?>
[17:36] <I-love-debian> Donno
[17:36] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: just up and down the interface... there is a more elegant, which I do not know from the top of my head
[17:36] <I-love-debian> hda0?
[17:36] <I-love-debian> hda0 or hda1 or hda3
[17:36] <fkm> jpatrick, First I have to find one :) But if you'd said that you got the same problem I'd rather post a bug-report than check what I've done wrong on my installations :)
[17:36] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: no. run ls /dev/ | grep hd
[17:36] <garthis> anyone else had eny problems with gutsy?
[17:37] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, well this doesn't work... MilhousePunkRock where are saved dns adresses?
[17:37] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, maybe dnss are wrong..
[17:37] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: So that would be "sudo ifconfig eth0 down && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[17:37] <I-love-debian> ls /dev/ | grep hd no output
[17:37] <MilhousePunkRock> frojnd: That's in /etc/resolv.conf
[17:37] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: run ls /dev/ | grep sd ?
[17:38] <ScorpKing> frojnd: do you have some kind of dailup for internet on that box?
[17:38] <frojnd> MilhousePunkRock, dns are OK I've changed IP and restart network but still unable to connect
[17:38] <I-love-debian> ptysd, ttysd, sda, sda1, sda2
[17:38] <frojnd> ScorpKing, nop
[17:38] <ScorpKing> ok nvm then
[17:38] <timri> frojnd: Repaste ifconfig output please
[17:39] <I-love-debian> taking to me?
[17:39] <eagles0513875> I-love-debian: if its in red he is talkign to u
[17:39] <I-love-debian> ok
[17:39] <eagles0513875> frojnd: have u tried a reboot
[17:39] <frojnd> eagles0513875,  NO
[17:40] <eagles0513875> frojnd: try that it suprises me what it fixes
[17:40] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: soz. i'm doing too many things at the same time. i only see sda* (one disk)
[17:40] <timri> eagles0513875: And then we would have learned nothing
[17:40] <I-love-debian> I had 5
[17:40] <eagles0513875> tim
[17:41] <timri> eagles0513875: eagles
[17:41] <eagles0513875> timri: yes
[17:41] <frojnd> timr
[17:41] <I-love-debian> so sda* is my hd? how to partition?
[17:41] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: how many hard drives do you have in that vox?
[17:41] <ScorpKing> box*
[17:41] <eagles0513875> timri: what r the odds that its more than just the ip address being the issue
[17:41] <fkm> Well, well... can't open the attachements aswell. Maybe I'll post a bugreport anyway :)
[17:41] <timri> frojnd: Still waiting for that ifconfig output
[17:41] <I-love-debian> 1
[17:41] <frojnd> timri: http://pastebin.com/m1bb96cd
[17:42] <timri> eagles0513875: Nah, he uses two different internal networks with one router
[17:42] <frojnd> timri, sorry I have to use usb flash and plug in and plug out ..
[17:42] <tim_> hay is eagals here
[17:42] <I-love-debian> I have only one harddrive
[17:43] <nite613__> Having trouble with NetworkManager, it basicaly functions as expected, but never seems to want to automatically connect to my wireless
[17:43] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: backup the stuff you want to keep to a cd/dvd or whatever and boot from a cd and reinstall
[17:43] <nite613__> On boot, and after every resume I need to manually pick it from the list even though it is listed as Trusted
[17:43] <ScorpKing> nite613__: use wifi-radar
[17:43] <I-love-debian> Cannot boot from cd
[17:43] <eagles0513875> tim_: goign to grab dinner ill be back
[17:43] <I-love-debian> bios is locked
[17:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, ur right
[17:43] <frojnd> eagles0513875, reboot saves ALOT :D
[17:43] <tim_> hay eagles my wireless dosnt work hehehe and i used the resrticed drivers thingy
[17:43] <eagles0513875> frojnd: it worked
[17:43] <timri> frojnd: That ifconfig tells me your wireless is off.
[17:43] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: you have a floppy/stiffy driev in there?
[17:43] <ScorpKing> drive*
[17:44] <frojnd> timri, thanx for your concer
[17:44] <frojnd> n
[17:44] <eagles0513875> tim_: then u might need to do it the way u used to :(
[17:44] <I-love-debian> no floppy, got now idea what a stiffy is
[17:44] <eagles0513875> tim_: what model is ur broadcom
[17:44] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: what devices can you boot from?
[17:44] <tim_> broadcom 4318
[17:44] <timri> frojnd: Turn it back on please, than repaste ifconfig output
[17:44] <I-love-debian> harddrive
[17:45] <frojnd> timri, u wan't me to turn on wifi?
[17:45] <I-love-debian> and anything i can make the windows bootloader boot
[17:45] <nite613__> ScorpKing: I would really like NetworkManager's functionality of automatically jumping to the wired network if available
[17:45] <eagles0513875> tim_: can i grab something to eat and then i have a link for a reversed engineered driver that might work for ya if not u might need to do it the way u used to do it
[17:45] <nite613__> Would prefer help with NM than suggestions not to use it. It's teh edfault tool ffs
[17:45] <tim_> ok cooll thanks
[17:45] <timri> frojnd: Bring up the ra0 interface on the not-working computer, that will suffice for now
[17:46] <ahmed> hi
[17:46] <eagles0513875> tim_: i also need to finish this upgrade lol ill let u know when im back
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> !compiz
[17:46] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: can you make it boot from the cd or maybe a disk image?
[17:46] <frojnd> timri, but ir works now... I rebooted and it works..
[17:47] <I-love-debian> Not unless you tell me how to
[17:47] <timri> frojnd: It does? Cool, so we are ready here?
[17:47] <||arifaX> hi @all
[17:47] <frojnd> timri, ready :)
[17:47] <frojnd> timri,  thanx for your help
[17:48] <timri> frojnd: You're welcome (my table hates you though :) )
[17:48] <frojnd> timri, lol
[17:48] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: there is a bootloader floppy image on the kubuntu cd in iso/install/sbm.bin . maybe you can boot from it in grub and select the cdrom to boot from.
[17:48] <I-love-debian> i can load grub
[17:49] <I-love-debian> but to get anyfuther than kubunut from an ntfs partiton is difficult
[17:50] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i see. let me see if i can find something for the grub config to boot a disk image..
[17:50] <I-love-debian> but i want it to partition
[17:51] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: you cannot do it if the disk is mounted. you have to boot from a cd to be safe.
[17:51] <tim_> does any one knwo why my wireless card stop at 57%
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> tim_ thats just a little vague
[17:52] <I-love-debian> I don't care about data, if everything goes to hell i'will just never use widnows again
[17:52] <tim_> ok my wireless card stops at ip configuration which happens to be 57% connection
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> it dosent fully get configured you mean. :)
[17:52] <tim_> yea
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Interesting...   try setting a Static ip for it?
[17:52] <ScorpKing> tim_: click on the wireless connection a few times.
[17:53] <tim_> its on its workign it can see wireless netyworks but dosnt get configured
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Ive basicially given up on wireless for now. :()
[17:54] <ScorpKing> tim_: do you have some kind of security on those networks?
[17:56] <tim_> lol fun to know
[17:57] <ScorpKing> tim_: if you have that could be the problem.
[17:59] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: found it i think - http://anti.teamidiot.de/nusse/2007/04/booting_floppy_images_using_gr/
[18:00] <Malix> Hi all.
[18:00] <I-love-debian> I don't have a floppy drive!
[18:01] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i know.
[18:01] <Malix> I'm losing my mind here, _how_ does one play dvd's in kubuntu 7.10 (amd64). Been googling a while and haven't found anything worthwhile
[18:01] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i'm working on it. just gimme a sec..
[18:06] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: go here - http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/ - and download syslinux-3.52.zip
[18:07] <I-love-debian> do i need windows for it?
[18:07] <ScorpKing> no
[18:07] <ScorpKing> it won't work in windows.
[18:07] <I-love-debian> ok
[18:08]  * ScorpKing will be back in a sec.. munching..
[18:11] <frojnd> Does anyone here use ati card. I specificly use mobility x1400 and if he or she managed to install driver. And where were the howtos posted
[18:12]  * ScorpKing is back..
[18:13] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: did you download it?
[18:13] <I-love-debian> yes
[18:13] <ScorpKing> extract ir somewhere
[18:13] <ScorpKing> it*
[18:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: i got ati radeon x1200 in my notebook
[18:13] <I-love-debian> so what now?
[18:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how did u install it ? do u have how to ?
[18:14] <||arifaX> frojnd: I have one in my personal blog
[18:14] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: open konsole and go to the directory where you extracted it to
[18:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, link?
[18:15] <I-love-debian> done
[18:16] <ScorpKing> go to the memdisk directory there
[18:16] <||arifaX> frojnd: its german but should not matter . one moment
[18:17] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: cd to the memdisk directory there
[18:17] <||arifaX> frojnd: follow the invitation
[18:18] <I-love-debian> done
[18:18] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: sudo cp memdisk /boot/
[18:19] <I-love-debian> what did that do? no output!
[18:19] <ScorpKing> copy
[18:19] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you have a kubuntu cd? put it in the drive.
[18:20] <methods[laptop]> hey why is adept_updator telling me there is a new version if i just installed the latest from cd lol!!! ???
[18:20] <I-love-debian> no, it had scratches, and showed 500 error messages at boot
[18:20] <I-love-debian> have a debian cd with kde, would it work?
[18:21] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: i don't know. is there a way i can send you the floppy image? do you use konversation?
[18:21] <I-love-debian> konversation?
[18:21] <ScorpKing> for irc
[18:21] <I-love-debian> yes
[18:22] <ScorpKing> can i send you the file?
[18:22] <I-love-debian> sure
[18:22] <ScorpKing> ok one sec. let me get it.
[18:23] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: look in the DCC Satus tab
[18:24] <I-love-debian> I don't have a floppy drive, do i need one?
[18:24] <ScorpKing> no
[18:24] <ScorpKing> this is why we do this. coz you have no floppy
[18:24] <I-love-debian> it said failure
[18:25] <ScorpKing> :(
[18:25] <I-love-debian> kan I configure grub to boot a debian cd?
[18:25] <ScorpKing> why does konversation never want to let me send or receive files?
[18:26] <I-love-debian> firewall? isp? work? school?
[18:26] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: that is what we're doing now.
[18:26] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[18:26] <contrast83> Anyone else having problems with GDebi?
[18:26] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: do you see my pm?
[18:26] <I-love-debian> I have, where can i get it?
[18:27] <I-love-debian> yes, but i cant write
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: back
[18:27] <ScorpKing> !register
[18:27] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[18:27] <ScorpKing> heh
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: u there
[18:27] <eagles0513875> tim_: time to reboot
[18:27] <I-love-debian> ok I give up
[18:27] <Roey> I-love-debian:  wow, great nick :)
[18:28] <Roey> I-love-debian:  emblazoned on your nick no less
[18:28] <I-love-debian> yeah
[18:28] <Roey> heheehe
[18:28] <Roey> :)
[18:28] <Roey> cool
[18:28] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: don't give up yet.
[18:28] <I-love-debian> can you remotley fix it?
[18:28] <ScorpKing> yes
[18:29] <I-love-debian> how?
[18:29] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: register your nick
[18:29] <I-love-debian> command?
[18:29] <ScorpKing> someone? plz..
[18:29] <I-love-debian> how do i register? want only the command
[18:31] <eagles0513875> tim_: im back
[18:31] <contrast83> I'm getting this when I try to run GDebi - http://pastebin.com/d183a618 . Any ideas? I already tried reinstalling python-kde3 (the package that contains kparts.so), no luck.
[18:31] <ScorpKing> I-love-debian: /msg nickserv REGISTER <password>
[18:32] <mushroom_> anyone feeling the pain of fglrx right now?
[18:32] <I-love-debian>  /msg nickserv REGISTER 4545
[18:32] <I-love-debian> doh
[18:32] <contrast83> heh
[18:32] <ScorpKing> hehe
[18:32] <mushroom_> fired
[18:32] <||arifaX> ScorpKing: oh oh
[18:32] <ScorpKing> lol
[18:33] <||arifaX> I-love-debian: you should change it now :)
[18:34] <ironadmin> hola
[18:34] <frb-work> hidey ho
[18:35] <frb-work> I have gutsy on my T60p, but when I suspend to ram, it shuts down X, and goes to the console with a single blinking underbar at the top left corner
[18:35] <eagles0513875> where do i change some kernel setting where is that file located
[18:35] <frb-work> it never really suspends, and won't wake up
[18:35] <ScorpKing> frb-work: same here
[18:36] <I-love-debian> change what?
[18:36] <ScorpKing> your password
[18:36] <||arifaX> frb-work: I think you have to do some module unloading during suspend and loading after waking up. would be an experiment I think but I think google could help
[18:37] <dergringo> frb-work: Maybe this is helpful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_7.04_Feisty_Fawn_on_a_ThinkPad_T60p
[18:37] <dergringo> frb-work: "Step 8) Now, the wireless card works at top speed and reliably, and the wireless hotkey and the wireless light work, and suspend to RAM does not mess things up."
[18:39] <frb-work> bleh, ndiswrapper
[18:39] <eagles0513875> frb-work: lol tell me bout it
[18:39] <eagles0513875> frb-work: i used to have to use it but now more now that im on gutsy
[18:40] <RCG1984> hello all, I'm receiving this error while trying to download/install bcomipler-0.8: checking for BZip2 in default path... not found, configure: error: Please reinstall the BZip2 distribution, and and ERROR: `/tmp/pear/download/bcompiler-0.8/configure' failed.
[18:40] <dergringo> I habe a T61 and most of the acpi stuff ist not running :(
[18:40] <dergringo> have
[18:41] <RCG1984> I know I have BZip2 installed and apparently the install is looking in a directory where it wasn't installed to.  Is it possible to set a flag to tell the install where to find BZip2?
[18:41] <||arifaX> frb-work: I am glad that ndiswrapper exists - Thanks for it to all who are involved!
[18:41] <RCG1984> crap wrong channel
[18:41] <dergringo> RCG1984: sudo apt-get install --reinstall bzip2
[18:42] <timri> RCG1984: install the libbz2-dev library (apt-get install libbz2-dev) and try installing bcompiler from PECL again.
[18:42] <timri> RCG1984: from: http://php.net/bcompiler
[18:43] <eagles0513875> ||arifaX: what i dont get is why in kubuntu its split into 3 pkgs
[18:43] <Doctor_Nick> >:0
[18:43] <eagles0513875> Doctor_Nick: ?
[18:44] <timri> dergringo: reinstalling wont work, he needs the dev package
[18:44] <frb-work> it is sad that my card is "supported" in linux, but ndiswrapper is better
[18:45] <eagles0513875> frb-work: no its not its a god send
[18:45] <eagles0513875> frb-work: what card do u have
[18:45] <dergringo> timri: I don't know what he is doing I just told him how to reinstall the package. Sorry.
[18:46] <frb-work> intel 3945A
[18:46] <pabligeno> what is the channel
[18:46] <pabligeno> for compiz
[18:46] <timri> dergringo: He typed in the wrong channel, should be #php I guess :) Funny thing is: he got an answer here right away.
[18:46] <pabligeno> and graphics
[18:46] <pabligeno> ?
[18:46] <frb-work> #ubuntu-effects
[18:46] <eagles0513875> frb-work: if its supported thank god u dont have to go through the head ache that i did with my wifi but now i dont any more
[18:46] <pabligeno> thanks
[18:47] <eagles0513875> i have an ati radeon xpress 200m and im glad i dont have to black list or mess around wiht the xorg.conf any more
[18:47] <eagles0513875> !games
[18:47] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[18:47] <methods[laptop]> ! source o matic ?
[18:47] <RCG1984> timri: It always seems as if I need the -dev packages with every programing package.  I always forget to install them ;-) thanks for the help
[18:47] <||arifaX> eagles0513875: ndiswrapper-common and the utils - this are 2 packages
[18:48] <eagles0513875> there is a 3rd one that i used in edgy i think it was or feisty
[18:48] <timri> RCG1984: You're welcome (you wouldnt believe the amount of -dev packages on my system)
[18:48] <methods[laptop]> do all the ubuntu's use the same sources ?
[18:48] <||arifaX> eagles0513875: better you have packages instead of manually doing everything.
[18:49] <eagles0513875> true
[18:49] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: i dont see why they wouldnt
[18:49] <methods[laptop]> me either! :]
[18:49] <frb-work> oops, intel 3945ABG
[18:49] <timri> methods[laptop]: They all use *.ubuntu.com AFAIK
[18:49] <frb-work> I'm currently in windows on the laptop because it works :)
[18:49] <methods[laptop]> how do i know which version of ubuntu i have installed ?
[18:49] <eagles0513875> frb-work: well i have a broadcom that was more of a headache
[18:49] <frb-work> eagles0513875: I've done that
[18:49] <eagles0513875> frb-work: urs doesnt work out of the box in gutsy
[18:50] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: what version of kde r u running
[18:50] <frb-work> I used a bcm4306 on x64 linux with ndiswrapper
[18:50] <eagles0513875> frb-work: dude i have that same card and its supported by gutsy to where u dont need that any more
[18:50] <frb-work> well, it wasn't supported when I used it :P
[18:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[18:51] <eagles0513875> when it wasnt supported i had a pcmcia card that i used
[18:51] <methods[laptop]> how do i find out ?
[18:51] <timri> methods[laptop]: look in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[18:51] <eagles0513875> click on help then about kde
[18:51] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: or what timri said
[18:51] <methods[laptop]> <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[18:51] <eagles0513875> that doesnt help cuz ur beta testing kde4
[18:51] <timri> methods[laptop]: that is gutsy
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> cdrom:[Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1)]
[18:52] <eagles0513875> 3.5.8 is gutsy for sure but doesnt that mean hes trying out kde4
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> thats the dam newest right ?
[18:52] <eagles0513875> 3.5.8 and gutsy is
[18:52] <timri> methods[laptop]: the latest stable, yes
[18:52] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: u testing kde4
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> so why would adept_updator tell me there is a new version ?
[18:52] <methods[laptop]> i just installed !
[18:53] <eagles0513875> after i finish downloading this game i need to reboot so i my open gl is enabled
[18:53] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]:
[18:53] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: u probably have some pkgs that rnt update
[18:53] <eagles0513875> d
[18:53] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc!
[18:54] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca: Hello
[18:54] <timri> eagles0513875: ctrl-alt-backspace not enough?
[18:54] <methods[laptop]> i dont think thats it ....
[18:54] <timri> methods[laptop]: its a known bug if I recall correctly
[18:55] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc: simplement, des que em vaig actualitzar al gutsy que el driver "ati" no em va bé, fins aleshores m'havia anat de conya.
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> oh lol
[18:55] <timri> !fr
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> so whats up with compiz-kde ?
[18:55] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:55] <methods[laptop]> does it make the pager work ?
[18:55] <SMP_ca> Iradigalesc: ara m'he hagut de posar el "vesa" perquè si em poso l'ati es veuen quatre pantalles a la meva pantalla xD
[18:56] <SMP_ca> !vesa
[18:56] <ubotu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
[18:56] <dergringo> !es
[18:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[18:56] <dergringo> !it
[18:56] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:56] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca: Yes... you should speak english here...
[18:56] <timri> SMP_ca: Just curious: what language is that?
[18:56] <Iradigalesc> timri: Catalan
[18:56] <SMP_ca> Catalan (ca) xD
[18:56] <dergringo> :D
[18:57] <dergringo> so
[18:57] <dergringo> :)
[18:57] <dergringo> !ca
[18:57] <ubotu> Canadian Ubuntu users can be found in #ubuntu-ca
[18:57] <dergringo> -.-
[18:57] <timri> Ah, ok, I should know it always looks (and sounds) a bit Portugues to me :)
[18:57] <SMP_ca> but, can I explain my problem un english?
[18:57] <timri> dergringo: Other side of the world!
[18:57] <dergringo> :P
[18:57] <timri> SMP_ca: Please do
[18:58] <SMP_ca> Since I upgraded to Gutsy I have not been able to use "ati" driver, I have to use "vesa" as with ati I see four small screeens in my screen :-D
[18:59] <eagles0513875> dergringo: u know catalan is a form of spanish
[18:59] <Iradigalesc> SMP_ca said that he need to configure his graphic card to use the vesa driver because if he uses Ati driver (his default driver, I suppouse), he saw 4 screens; Maybe that because of compiz
[18:59] <timri> eagles0513875: You REALLY do not want to go in that hornets nest, trust me
[18:59] <eagles0513875> SMP_ca: what card do u have i have mine which is a radeon xpress 200m found by the restricted drivers gui and i go in and check  its ati
[18:59] <eagles0513875> timri: lol is it that bad
[19:00] <SMP_ca> no, I do not use compiz...
[19:00] <dergringo> timri: To be honest. I'm just reading at wikipedia bout catalan :D
[19:00] <eagles0513875> dergringo: lol
[19:00] <Ginnungagap> good evening
[19:00] <SMP_ca> radeon 9250
[19:00] <W8TAH> is there an op about?
[19:00] <eagles0513875> dont they usually say the older the card the easier it is to config
[19:00] <timri> dergringo: http://xkcd.com/333/
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: y do u need an op
[19:01] <SMP_ca> Catalan is not Spanish, it is a different language
[19:01] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[19:01] <W8TAH> id like to speak in private to one to advise them of a potential problem
[19:01] <eagles0513875> SMP_ca: isnt it a spanish dialect
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: im no help
[19:01] <eagles0513875> !op
[19:01] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[19:01] <W8TAH> thank you
[19:01] <eagles0513875> W8TAH: there u go thats the list of ops
[19:01] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, ?
[19:01] <PriceChild> grrrrrr
[19:01] <eagles0513875> w
[19:02] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: w8tah wants to chat 1v1 on a potential problem
[19:02] <methods[laptop]> is there an nx package ?
[19:02] <timri> SMP_ca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43788
[19:02] <SMP_ca> no, in Barcelona you can see a lot of Catalan-Spanish bylingual signalling
[19:02] <dergringo> timri: lol!
[19:02] <eagles0513875> oh
[19:02] <W8TAH> PriceChild: may i PM you?
[19:02] <timri> SMP_ca: suggest changing the agpmode. I have no clue how, though
[19:02] <methods[laptop]> nx viewer ?
[19:02] <I-love-debian> here?
[19:03] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, please do not use that factoid as it pings all operators.
[19:03] <SMP_ca> I-love-debian?
[19:03] <PriceChild> W8TAH, of course
[19:03] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: sry didnt know that
[19:03] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, W8TAH in future, please use /msg chanserv access #channel list
[19:03] <Ginnungagap> I have recived an "Asus MyCinema-P7131" today, but I am unable to make it work. I made shure, that saa7134 and saa7134-alsa are loaded and I am able to find some channels in KDETV, but I cannot make it show video nor can I make it output the audio.
[19:03] <I-love-debian> yes
[19:03] <timri> SMP_ca: Have you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43788 ?
[19:03] <galathalion> anyone know where to get compizplugins for KDe?
[19:03] <dergringo> timri: well it is a mix-up of french, spanish and portugese. I should be ashame because I live in Switzerland :/
[19:03] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in hardy
[19:03] <sub[t]rnl> !compiz | galathalion
[19:03] <ubotu> galathalion: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:04] <Ginnungagap> I hope someone of you knows what to to. I would be very glad about some help
[19:04] <SMP_ca> timri: no, thanks, it may be related
[19:04] <timri> dergringo: Which uses a mixup of german italian and french amongst other things (didnt have to look that up)
[19:05] <timri> SMP_ca: They talk about the agpmode, but I have no clue how to change that
[19:05] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: ok sry about that
[19:05] <PriceChild> eagles0513875, well now you know :) Have fun.
[19:05] <dergringo> timri: what is using a mixup of german italan and french?
[19:05] <eagles0513875> PriceChild: thanks
[19:05] <methods[laptop]> anyone ?
[19:05] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: ?
[19:05] <Ginnungagap> can't anyone of you help me?
[19:06] <timri> dergringo: The swiss (well, not really a mixup)
[19:06] <methods[laptop]> nx viewer ?
[19:06] <eagles0513875> !ask |ginungagap
[19:06] <ubotu> ginungagap: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:06] <SMP_ca> well, I'm going to try
[19:06] <eagles0513875> methods[laptop]: im no help
[19:06] <dergringo> timri: If you mean Switzerland. It is no mixup. We just got four official languages. Someone should wipe them off and make english the official one :D
[19:06] <timri> dergringo: Which reminds me: today is sga-bsg day on rtlII
[19:07] <dergringo> I don't like scifi :)
[19:07] <Ginnungagap> I like to know what to do to make a "Asus MyCinema-P7134" analog TV-Card (Phillips tuner) work on Kubuntu 7.10. So what can/must I do?
[19:08] <Ginnungagap> I hope my English is not too bad. I am not a native speaker as you may have discovered.
[19:09] <pabligeno> mmmmm
[19:09] <pabligeno> what is the channel for compiz?
[19:09] <timri> Ginnungagap: I think it is supported by v4l
[19:09] <sub[t]rnl> #compiz-fusion
[19:11] <timri> brb
[19:11] <Ginnungagap> I made sure that saa7134 and saa7134-alsa are loaded. But although it found my channels KDETV neighter outputs video nor audio.
[19:11] <Ginnungagap> So something went wrong, I think, if the divice is sopported
[19:12] <Ginnungagap> supported, sry
[19:12] <garthis> how do i get rid of dolphin?
[19:12] <methods[laptop]> how do i start up kde-compiz ?
[19:13] <timri> garthis: aptitude purgre dolphin
[19:13] <timri> garthis: aptitude purge dolphin
[19:13] <sub[t]rnl> methods[laptop]: alt+f2 and type compiz --replace , or put it in the kde Autostart directory
[19:13] <garthis> got it
[19:14] <timri> garthis: Was one of the first things I removed after installing Gutsy
[19:15] <timri> Ginnungagap: adduser tv audio
[19:15] <timri> Ginnungagap: See: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa
[19:16] <garthis> timri: right, perhaps you know how to gert old seacrh tool back too? =)
[19:16] <Ginnungagap> imri:do you mean I am not member of these groups?
[19:16] <garthis> timri: right, perhaps you know how to get old search tool back too? =)
[19:16] <timri> garthis: it is called kfind
[19:16] <timri> garthis: And, strangely, it is something although installed, I had to add to the kmenu manually
[19:17] <Ginnungagap> thnks, I'll read it now, but that'll take some time, because it's English and I am not perfect in understandig it. But thanks!
[19:17] <timri> garthis: to remove the new find stuff: aptitude purge strigi-daemon
[19:18] <timri> Ginnungagap: You're welcome
[19:18] <pabligeno> what is kubuntu  in spanish??
[19:18] <timri> garthis: and remove ~/.strigim (that is the cache)
[19:18] <timri> pabligeno: You mean the irc channel?
[19:19] <timri> garthis: ~/.strigi I mean
[19:19] <jpatrick> pabligeno: kubuntu?
[19:19] <jpatrick> !es | pabligeno
[19:19] <ubotu> pabligeno: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[19:20] <pabligeno> thanks jpatrick
[19:20] <xavier_> hey there -bonsoir a tous
[19:20] <Minnozz> Hi, my internet is _very_ slow at the moment, how can I see what's causing that?
[19:21] <timri> brb
[19:21] <xavier_> nice bug here - when i use the "turn off " button my Pc shut down wait 1min and wake up himself !!!
[19:21] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: Check if you are dropping any packets with ifconfig
[19:21] <garthis> timri: this wants to remove all kinds of stuff for about 100 MB. is this ok?
[19:22] <xavier_> if i turn it off with a Konsole it worx properly.... any idea?
[19:22] <methods[laptop]> hm so the compiz-kde package doesn't make paging work ?
[19:22] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: dropped:0
[19:22] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: Wireless or cable?
[19:22] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: cable (wireless drove me mad)
[19:23] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: If your not getting any packets dropped on your end, you might want to run a speed test online.  If things still appear slower than usual, it could be the modem signal strength, or modem "flaps"
[19:23] <timri> garthis: whoa? what does? the aptitude step ?
[19:23] <methods[laptop]> looks like compiz still only works well witih gnome ?
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> call your provider and ask them how many flaps your modem is receiving
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> methods[laptop]: compiz works well with kde too
[19:24] <methods[laptop]> the pager is still messed up
[19:24] <sub[t]rnl> i don't use it
[19:25] <timri> garthis: hello?
[19:25] <garthis> timri: false alarm! :D they were just some scraps of compiz which i removed previously
[19:25] <timri> garthis: ah, ok
[19:25] <timri> sub[t]rnl: I just learned something new from you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_flapping)
[19:25] <xavier_>  nice bug here - when i use the "turn off " button my Pc shut down wait 1min and wake up himself !!!however when i use the Konsloe it worx fine ....... :o
[19:26] <timri> xavier_: Ran into that one on dapper, I never got it to work correctly
[19:26] <blendtux> maybe you can do something about the background is not right it looks if its hanging to one site
[19:27] <blendtux> and do a high render, if you have a fast computer
[19:27] <xavier_> im using 7.10
[19:27] <methods[laptop]> yea man the pager is messed up and when compiz starts at kde start systray icons still end up floating around
[19:27] <garthis> timri: one more question i forgot to ask.. after i remove dolphin, what do i do next?
[19:27] <timri> xavier_: I doubt I could help you on this one. What motherboard?
[19:28] <xavier_> i dunno whats the command?
[19:28] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: I did the speedtest, 8 times slower than normal
[19:28] <timri> garthis: Rejoice of course. On a more serious note: I use konqueror with a filemanager profile.
[19:28] <sub[t]rnl> Minnozz: I would call your provider asap.
[19:28] <timri> xavier_: there's no command for that ?)
[19:28] <sub[t]rnl> see if theres anything going on
[19:29] <timo> does anybody know of a programme that will tell me what hardware I have on my computer. Its really old and I don't remember what I have in it
[19:29] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: it's 8:30pm here so I can't call them now
[19:29] <timri> timo: lspci
[19:29] <Minnozz> sub[t]rnl: but it's happening a lot the last time
[19:29] <xavier_> timri: kk i gonna check it
[19:29] <methods> sub[t]rnl: hey yea... so thye never fixed the pager issue ?
[19:30] <sub[t]rnl> methods: as in, it starts up with a different number of pagers?
[19:30] <timo> timri: I need to know my ram and processor specs too
[19:30] <xavier_> timri: MSI 865PE Neo2 -P
[19:30] <sub[t]rnl> methods: I know the pager issues have been addressed on launchpad, havn't been tracking it to see if its been resolved yet though
[19:30] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  no i mean compiz never worked with the kde pager.... right now its showing me 12 desktops and clicking them does nothing...
[19:31] <timri> timo: kinfocenter
[19:31] <sub[t]rnl> methods: heh, that sounds like you don't have compiz setup properly
[19:31] <sub[t]rnl> methods: #compiz-fusion will answer you
[19:31] <timri> xavier_: one moment please
[19:31] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  what do you mean setup.... i thought compiz-kde and kubuntu had it handeled ?
[19:31] <xavier_> timri: no problem mon!
[19:32] <garthis> timri: thank you, for your help =)
[19:32] <timri> garthis: You're welcome
[19:32] <blendtux> wich package do i have to install to run a webserver with php
[19:33] <sub[t]rnl> methods: they do have it handled, but we can't stop user error
[19:33] <timo> timri: what I want to know is the speed of my ram (Mhz)
[19:33] <methods> sub[t]rnl:  what erorr? i opened up adept and installed compiz-fusion
[19:34] <sub[t]rnl> methods: look in ccsm, show me your horizontal Virtual Size, Vertical Virtual size, and Number of Desktops
[19:34] <methods> ccsm ?
[19:34] <Ginnungagap> timri: there is no group named tv in my system. And I am alreday member of the group audio
[19:34] <sub[t]rnl> it'll be under General Options, in compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:37] <timri> xavier_: Sorry, but as I feared I found absolutely nothing on your problem.
[19:38] <xavier_> uh bad news - nobody have a clue bout that
[19:38] <dpoole> hi everyone
[19:39] <timri> xavier_: If you find out: let me know (I have a similar problem on a Asus board, tried fiddling with the BIOS, everything, to no avail) good luck
[19:39] <dpoole> so is 7.04 ubuntu really worth it?
[19:39] <timri> dpoole: 7.10?
[19:39] <xavier_> timri: thx for your help anyway
[19:39] <dpoole> yea
[19:39] <timri> Ginnungagap: have you tried mplayer with the tv:/ urls ?
[19:39] <dpoole> i have 6.10 and downloading 7 now
[19:40] <timri> dpoole: Personally I like the new fontsettings a LOT
[19:40] <Ginnungagap> timri:not yet. I have no mplayer installt. I'll install it and try
[19:40] <xavier_> timri: kk gimme your mail and i ll keep you aware of that
[19:40] <dpoole> i had mandriva and i like ubuntu alot more
[19:41] <timri> xavier_: No need to mail me I will find It out, but thanks :)
[19:42] <timri> dpoole: what are the best/worst points for you?
[19:42] <dpoole> between mandriva and ubuntu u mean?
[19:43] <garthis> somebody say something about fonts?
[19:43] <timri> dpoole: between mandrive and Kubuntu
[19:43] <timri> garthis: Yeah, I said I liked them in gutsy
[19:43] <Ginnungagap> timri: I connot instasll mplayer. aptitude says, that the connection to the server hosting the repository fails.
[19:43] <dpoole> i would say kubuntu is much better
[19:43] <dpoole> pretty much say layout but just better stability
[19:44] <timri> Ginnungagap: :( then you have to wait
[19:44] <dpoole> one thing is that i'm looking for a good dvd player software alot of software doesn't play due to codec stuff
[19:44] <garthis> why won't it allow mw to change some of the fonts?
[19:44] <xavier_> dpoole: use VLC
[19:45] <Ginnungagap> timri: thats, what I frear. So I'll stop my trys for today and thank you for your help. I hope that I'll have access to the server tomorrow.
[19:45] <timri> dpoole: I compile mplayer myself, it plays everything I throw at it (including the broken quicktime movies from my camera that vlc refuses)
[19:46] <timri> Ginnungagap: Good luck
[19:46] <dpoole> im not good at compile i'm new to linx
[19:46] <dpoole> linux
[19:46] <xavier_> dpoole: are you french ?
[19:47] <timri> dpoole: It was the first time for me on linux as well
[19:47] <timri> dpoole: and after a lot of googling I finally got it right. It is really easy now (mplayer builds the package for you).
[19:48] <frb-work> ok, so the ndiswrapper instructions were for a non-intel card
[19:48] <eagles0513875> !games
[19:48] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[19:49] <frb-work> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307731 according to this, removing powernowd solves it
[19:50] <frb-work> will my cpu still scale without the daemon?
[19:51] <eagles0513875> i didnt think alot of games i would try would actually work after enablign open gl
[19:51] <xavier_> anybody have the adresse of the Fr Kubuntu IRC???
[19:51] <eagles0513875> !fr
[19:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:51] <eagles0513875> there u go
[19:52] <dpoole> hey timri is there any good software for mobile phones sometimes i like to connect with internet wth my phone
[19:52] <timri> frb-work: hover your mouse over the green battery in your taskbar
[19:52] <smooth> hey all
[19:52] <flithm> hey does anyone know why adept doesn't have all the same packages as synaptic?
[19:52] <eagles0513875> dpoole: i did read in linux format magazine that canonical is developing a mobile version of kubuntu
[19:53] <timri> dpoole: I have no clue.  In component universe, is optional. Version 0.22-1 (gutsy), package size 349 kB, installed size 1524 kB
[19:53] <eagles0513875> smooth: easy fix right click on it and go into properties and then disable the option use as user or something along those lines
[19:54] <dpoole> its the only reason why i have windows left on my computer because i use pdanet to connect when i'm on the road
[19:54] <timri> frb-work: maybe a really stupid question, but: how are you on irc without computer
[19:54] <smooth> hmm...cant find it eagles...
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: let me take a look at something brb
[19:55] <smooth> k
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: u should find it under mount
[19:55] <eagles0513875> smooth: click on properties then mount tab
[19:55] <frb-work> timri: first, I have 3 computers on my desk at the ofice, second, this laptop also has Vista
[19:55] <smooth> k
[19:56] <timri> frb-work: ah, ok :)
[19:56] <smooth> properties...in a right click of a partition?
[19:56] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi, Has the beta4 of kde4 been release yet for kubuntu?
[19:57] <frb-work> anyway, I'll go boot it back into linux, and see if killing powernowd helps
[19:58] <smooth> cant find the use as user part eagles
[19:59] <timri> dpoole: Is that pdanet on a treo (googled it, I have no idea what I just said, btw) ?
[20:01] <smooth> you there eagles?
[20:01] <timri> dpoole: hello ?
[20:01] <smooth> hello...
[20:03] <timri> dpoole: if so, you could try http://www.treoquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=856 and http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/Using_Linux_and_Bluetooth_DUN_with_the_Treo650.php
[20:05] <frb-screen> it didn't work :(
[20:05] <timri> frb-screen: merde
[20:05] <frb-screen> it's stuck with the flashing cursor again without a proper suspend
[20:06] <timri> frb-screen: do you still have freq scaling?
[20:06] <frb-screen> according to the battery thing, yes
[20:06] <timri> frb-screen: ok
[20:06] <smooth> hey
[20:07] <frb-screen> I stopped powernowd, and set frequency to dynamic, it was 1GHz before I closed the lid
[20:07] <frb-screen> Intel T2600 cpu
[20:07] <smooth> still having issues with mounting my ext3's in kubuntu gutsy
[20:08] <smooth> with a hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 error
[20:08] <smooth> any ideas?
[20:08] <smooth> anyone?
[20:08] <timri> smooth: You tried the link I gave you before (launchpad) ?
[20:09] <smooth> ?
[20:09] <smooth> never saw the link sorry
[20:09] <smooth> my bad
[20:09] <smooth> could you send it again please
[20:10] <timri> smooth: have to go now, I will try  to join again later (hopefully with the link)
[20:10] <dpoole> thank u tmiri
[20:10] <smooth> k
[20:10] <timri> smooth: IIRC it had to do with removing unneeded udev rules
[20:10] <frb-screen> what's the dpkg equiv of rpm -qf ?
[20:10] <timri> frb-screen: good luck
[20:10] <frb-screen> -qf says "What package owns this file?"
[20:11] <smooth> ok
[20:11] <ardchoille> frb-screen: dpkg -S ?
[20:11] <frb-screen> thanks
[20:12] <frb-screen> it's been years since I've used dpkg extensively :)
[20:12] <ardchoille> frb-screen: Some things are easy to forget if you don't use them often :)
[20:17] <mike_____> hello all
[20:17] <mm_202> If anyone here is from MO, USA, join #missouri.   [this is not a spam msg]
[20:17] <mike_____> i have a question.... how can i safely uninstall kubuntu so that i can boot windows
[20:19] <mm_202> mike_____: if you still have Windows installed, LILO (or whatever boot loader you use) would present a selection menu for you to select the OS to boot to.
[20:19] <frb-screen> if he kills linux, his grub menu will break
[20:20] <frb-screen> mike_____: ask ##windows how to recover the windows bootloader
[20:20] <mm_202> If you dont have Windows as an option, that means that you're Windows partition is gone.
[20:20] <mm_202> frb-screen: good point.
[20:20] <mike_____> yes but i want to uninstall linux.... and i'm afraid formating the linux partitions won't let me boot windows again
[20:20] <mm_202> mike_____: why would you want to get rid of Linux??   Crazy talk.
[20:20] <frb-screen> I could tell you, but it's a topic they know very well :)
[20:21] <mike_____> i wanted linux to make it a media center
[20:21] <mike_____> but it deosn't recognize my tv tuner
[20:21] <mike_____> so i't useless
[20:21] <mm_202> No
[20:21] <mike_____> and i want to install windows media center
[20:21] <mm_202> that means you just have to write your own drivers :)  Its not the linux community works :)
[20:22] <mike_____> i have no idea how to write my own drivers
[20:22] <mike_____> the thing is kubuntu doesn't recognize my tv tuner but open suse did
[20:22] <mm_202> it was a joke, I doubt that 10% of the users in here do.
[20:23] <mm_202> mike_____: Im sure that you can find a pkg for your tuner that would work in kubuntu
[20:23] <ardchoille> mike_____: Just because kubuntu doesn't recognise your tv tuner doesn't mean other Linux distro won't too
[20:24] <mike_____> yeah i know
[20:24] <mike_____> i didn't like opensuse so i tried kubuntu
[20:24] <mike_____> and it's cooler
[20:24] <ardchoille> mike_____: Try knopmyth
[20:24] <mike_____> i tried mythbuntu
[20:24] <mike_____> but nothing
[20:24] <mike_____> knopmyth
[20:24] <mike_____> ?
[20:25] <ardchoille> mike_____:  /home/ianmac/.kde/share/config/khotkeysrc
[20:25] <ardchoille> heh.. oops :)
[20:25] <ardchoille> mike_____:  http://mysettopbox.tv/
[20:26] <ardchoille> mike_____: When some piece isn't recognised by a certain distro try another distro, there's tons of distros and they're all different
[20:26] <mike_____> i'm new to linux so i don't know what to try
[20:27] <mike_____> i tried the most popular ones
[20:27] <ardchoille> mike_____:  http://distrowatch.com
[20:27] <ardchoille> Nice long list of distros in the drop-down box there
[20:28] <mike_____> yeah but it's not at all pleasent downloading, burning installing operating systems
[20:28] <mike_____> it gets really boring
[20:28] <frb-screen> welcome to linux
[20:28] <ardchoille> mike_____: What make/model is your tuner?
[20:28] <Minnozz> when I ping google.com (or any other site) the reaction time is 999 or 1000 ms. How can it be so hight?
[20:29] <Minnozz> *high
[20:29] <mike_____> leadtek winfast 2000 xp global
[20:29] <ardchoille> mike_____: Nothing worthwhile comes easy
[20:30] <ardchoille> mike_____: Here's some links to try:  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22leadtek+winfast+2000+xp%22%2Blinux&btnG=Google+Search
[20:32] <ardchoille> mike_____:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaLeadtek
[20:32] <ardchoille> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport   <-- very nice resource
[20:33] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, what happens when you `traceroute google.com`? Does it hang anywhere?
[20:34] <frb-screen> ok, this is odd
[20:34] <frb-screen> when I logged out of KDE, closing the lid did nothing
[20:34] <mike_____> well yeah but it's the "expert" version
[20:34] <mike_____> i have global
[20:34] <tekteen> Anyone know if there is a way to run windows from a partition on your computer?
[20:34] <frb-screen> so what part of KDE is detecting ACPI events?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> yes tekteen , use a partition editor to resize and make a partition for windows , ...gparted live cd is a good choice
[20:36] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=1282
[20:36] <JohnFlux> I need to print a whole load of images on one page
[20:36] <JohnFlux> any ideas how to do this?
[20:39] <moparisthebest> if I compile my own kernel, is there any way of compiling my own linux-restricted-modules for it?
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: sure, apt-get source  linux-restric....
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: then one of the dpkg commands to compile and install it :)
[20:41] <JohnFlux> moparisthebest: make sure you point /usr/src/linux  at the right place
[20:42] <moparisthebest> apt-get source, thats what I was missing, much appreciated JohnFlux
[20:43] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, that looks pretty strange. change any network settings recently? DNS?
[20:43] <mike_____> oh well.. i'm downloading knoppmyth and hopefully i'll manage to make my tv tuner work
[20:43] <mike_____> thanks a lot guys
[20:43] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: not that I know of... should I check some config files?
[20:43] <mike_____> especially for keeping me on linux :D
[20:43] <cyboreal_> tekteen, i read somewhere that you can run Windows from another partition by modifying a VMware installation
[20:45] <frb-screen> cyboreal_: you could, but it's not advisable as windows doesn't handle hardware changes that well
[20:46] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, maybe check what /etc/resolv.conf says... you might want to try setting it to use the OpenDNS DNS servers (https://www.opendns.com/start?device=ubuntu) and see if that changes anything
[20:47] <cyboreal_> frb-screen, you're right that it's at your own peril, but apparently people have gotten it to work fairly well... but I haven't tried it so I don't know firsthand
[20:47]  * DarthWar is back.
[20:48] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: It says 'search MSHOME; nameserver [2 ip's from my ISP and my router ip]
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> have i mentioned lately that i hate java?
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> this game is not coming along well and it's due sunday
[20:48] <eagles0513875> Daisuke_Laptop: whats so bad about it
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: i don't like it
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> :)
[20:48] <frb-screen> cyboreal_: it should work fine, as long as you only use that installation in a VM, and not "shared" with a real install
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> eagles0513875: i'm writing a paper rock scissors game in java, which should be easy, but i'm a terrible coder :\
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> computer ai is where i'm getting tripped up
[20:49] <cyboreal_> Minnozz, that sounds right. Replacing the nameserver [number] with the OpenDNS server numbers might speed things up, or at least tell you if your ISP DNS servers are slowing things down.
[20:49] <galathalion> how do i upgrade to 7.10?
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> !upgrade
[20:50] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:50] <Minnozz> cyboreal_: do I need to restart something before that works or not?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> !upgrade | galathalion
[20:50] <ubotu> galathalion: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:51] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:52] <Ben_Cs> how do i switch to CLI screen? in gnome it was something like ctrl+shift+F*
[20:53] <frb-screen> ctrl-alt-Fx
[20:54] <DaSkreech> Ben_Cs: Ctrl+Alt+F<n>
[20:54] <DaSkreech> F7 is gui