[23:08] <prettyricky> How can I get my pen to work on my tablet toshiba satellite? It was working on 7.10 but upgraded to 8.04
[23:08] <cn23> yes
[23:09] <[Lowkey]> I'm having a lot of trouble getting my built in microphone on my webcam to work.. The webcam is installed and works but the microphone doesn't.. I tried changing my audio input to USB camera and making sure nothing was muted but it still doesn't work.. Can anyone help me? :(
[23:09] <iclebyte> mgolisch, me too, RedHat 6.2 then FreeBSD, then Slackware, then Gentoo, then finally the holy grail - Ubuntu - a productive workstation OS
[23:09] <mgolisch> i remember you had to do some setting
[23:09] <pedervl> Vlet and erUSUL - Ok I will check, thanks.
[23:09] <mgolisch> iclebyte: i have been using suse, then debian, then gentoo, now ubuntu
[23:09] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, what's your sound card?
[23:09] <cn23> do you remember what?
[23:09] <tarkus> quick question.. im investing in a DSLR camera, if i need to do some color grading and levels/adjustments in gimp, will it be just as good quality as aperture/photoshop?
[23:09] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: It's a mobo integrated one on my laptop
[23:09] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: I think it's an open source intel one
[23:09] <Deags> hello everyone does anyone have any tips for making games run smoother in under wine
[23:10] <julio_neto> Kohlrak: OK! Thank you!
[23:10] <Kohlrak> then it should work... Can you get a regular mike to work?
[23:10] <iclebyte> Fishscene, stick with it. it'll only get better. I setup an LDAP server using Ubuntu a couple of weeks ago, it was a bit of a nightmare but then the beauty of it is you can script the adding of accounts etc so you could keep logs for the auditors =)
[23:10] <Vlet> Deags: might be better to ask in #winehq
[23:10] <jtaylor13> Starnestommy:i give up there is so many b.s. things in linux,such as this i will just use my windows.Maybe i will try linux when they get it more user friendly.Command lines are fun and all but gee whiz what a pain to get the simpliest thing to work.Is there a more user friendly linux out?
[23:10] <Deags> o ok ty viet
[23:10] <Myxb> hi! i defined a hotkey in kde, how do i assign a root-script to it? (i can choose the script but it is not executed)
[23:10] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: I don't have a regular mic or I wouldn't be bothering with this.. but my audio in general works fine
[23:10] <iclebyte> mgolisch, I like gentoo, although portage should not have been written in python..
[23:10] <mgolisch> cn23: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaLaptopBinaryDriverSuspend maybe that helps, but it doesnt seem to have been updated for hardy
[23:10] <Bodsda> jtaylor13, what are you having problems with?
[23:10] <Starnestommy> jtaylor13: I've heard that fedora and suse are easy to use, but I've never tried them
[23:11] <mgolisch> iclebyte: yeah portage is cool, its so flexible
[23:11] <mgolisch> :)
[23:11] <jsoftw> fedora is horrible, I know that.
[23:11] <bbeattie> I'm looking to add some files that appear on the desktop of a custom live CD.  I don't see a /home/ubuntu/Desktop (or /home/ for that matter even).  I've build some live cd's, I just don't see how the ubuntu user and Desktop structure is created or where it exists. Any general "look at this script/file" is all I need to get going.
[23:11] <mgolisch> i hate all rom distris somehow
[23:11] <jsoftw> Its a beta distro
[23:11] <mgolisch> rpm
[23:11] <jtaylor13> #1. the desktop bar exit button disapperars when i click it to exit.i need the command to reset it back to the factory.
[23:11] <jsoftw> Yeah, its a horrible package system
[23:11] <Kohlrak> LowKey, i think i've seen this before, but i forget what was done
[23:11] <mgolisch> we use redhat at work, i hate it
[23:12] <iclebyte> mgolisch, i'm using gentoo for my final year project in an embedded device - looked into GNAP but i couldn't be bothered to learn it indepth enough to make the changes i needed on my timescale
[23:12] <jsoftw> yep :(
[23:12] <Kohlrak> if you wait, you should see more stuff on it eventualy
[23:12] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: Think! PLEASE!! lol its been bothering me for weeks
[23:12] <mgolisch> atleast the rom frontends in the distris i tested yet have been horribly slow compared to apt-get
[23:12] <dasdajs> Hi, where is the pure-ftp config in ubuntu??
[23:12] <mgolisch> rpm
[23:12] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, i'll do my best but i also have issues of my own to work on, have you tried searching the forums yet?
[23:12] <[Lowkey]> yeah..
[23:13] <Vlet> dasdajs: probably in /etc/
[23:13] <miwachiru> Stupid question unrelated to Ubuntu, but how do I register my nickname?
[23:13] <dasdajs> Vlet, it's not :S
[23:13] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, no results or not working?
[23:13] <jsoftw> miwachiru: /msg nickserv help
[23:13] <Starnestommy> miwachiru: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup stpes 1 and 2
[23:13] <[Lowkey]> no results relaly
[23:13] <[Lowkey]> i tried every result I got
[23:13] <Kohlrak> !register | miwachiru
[23:13] <Davidium> iclebyte: ok then what
[23:13] <MrObvious> My laptop (Dell Vostro 1700) has media buttons that have Play/Pause, Previous, Next, and Stop buttons. I can get them to work with Rhythmbox, but I don't like the interface as much. How can I make it so those buttons work with other musical players such as Amarok?
[23:14] <TangentCollision> my ip tables are screwed up or something, because I can't access the internet
[23:14] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, did they have the same sound card/usb device?
[23:14] <[Lowkey]> no
[23:14] <pedervl> TangentCollision - Maybe you can configure it.
[23:14] <Vlet> dasdajs: you have no 'pure-ftpd' directory in /etc?
[23:14] <[Lowkey]> well same usb device
[23:14] <Davidium> iclebyte: root (hd0,5) gives "unrecognized comman"
[23:14] <dmsuperman> Can anybody tell me why it is that all the fonts from the msttcorefonts package look damaged? The only thing I can think of that I changed recently is installing Freetype 2.3.5, and for the past 3 days (I installed it 6 days ago) all fonts from the msttcorefonts package (Times New Roman, Arial, etc.) look terribly pixelated, to the point where I can't read them at fullsize (18px fonts even).
[23:14] <iclebyte> rpm's are aweful
[23:14] <iclebyte> Davidium, 1sec
[23:15] <dasdajs> Vlet, yes I do, but no pure-ftpd.conf.
[23:15] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, try to check if your sound card supports mic input (should be an incompatability list), but i don't know if that'd make a difference or not, but it should.
[23:15] <TangentCollision> pedervl yeah, I need help with that
[23:15] <[Lowkey]> okay
[23:16] <[Lowkey]> actually
[23:16] <pedervl> TangentCollision - You can read the iptables documentation or read the source to understand the processes.
[23:16] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: when I have windows installed it works fine
[23:16] <iclebyte> Davidium, how did you decide it should be on 0,5 ?..
[23:16] <Davidium> iclebyte: because it works
[23:16] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, doesn't matter in windows. Windows has its own drivers, linux has its own
[23:16] <Davidium> partition number 5 on the first hd
[23:17] <thorny_sun> how can I disable sudo?
[23:17] <ogt> hi there, face browser is not showing screen names anymore, any suggestions????
[23:17] <[Lowkey]> okay where would I find the compatibility list?
[23:17] <Kohlrak> probably on the hardware forum of the ubuntu forums
[23:17] <MrObvious> thorny_sun: You need root access somehow!
[23:17] <Kohlrak> thorny_sun, why?
[23:17] <Starnestommy> thorny_sun: why would you want to disable it?
[23:17] <iclebyte> you get the grub terminal up then "root (hd0,5)" (with the space) then "setup (hd0)"
[23:17] <[Lowkey]> ok
[23:17] <mneptok> thorny_sun: do not disable sudo.
[23:17] <KrimZon> thorny_sun: as in create a user that can't sudo?
[23:17] <orudie_> orudie
[23:17] <[Lowkey]> Kohlrak: Any idea why my mouse would stop working when I charge my laptop?
[23:18] <ogt> hi there, face browser is not showing screen names anymore, any suggestions????
[23:18] <ogt> using hardy
[23:18] <mgolisch> ogt: thats some bug
[23:18] <Vlet> dasdajs: perhaps this may help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureFTP
[23:18] <thorny_sun> Kohlrak: Starnestommy: because I'm the only one who uses this laptop, and if I've already logged in then there's no need for me to be typing in passwords constantly-- I can shut lid and force login again if I ever want
[23:18] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, nope, mine works just fine. Could be a setting in there some where
[23:18] <dasdajs> Vlet ty
[23:18] <[Lowkey]> it doesnt STOP working
[23:18] <mattywarr> hi - i'm having problems with random freezups - i've read on the forum that one way to fix it is to compile kernel 2.6.25 - but i'm a bit of a linux n00b - how would I go about this?
[23:18] <[Lowkey]> it just spazzes out
[23:18] <ogt> mgolisch, is there any kind of patch that needs to be applied???
[23:18] <[Lowkey]> and clicks randomly
[23:18] <mneptok> thorny_sun: disabling sudo is not the answer
[23:18] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, that sounds like a loose wire XD
[23:19] <thorny_sun> mneptok: what is then?  how to stop annoying password queries?
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> where?
[23:19] <mneptok> thorny_sun: sudo -i
[23:19] <cn23> here goes noting
[23:19] <cn23> nothing*
[23:19] <ogt> I mean, I happened all of a sudden, no more usernames showing up
[23:19] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, havn't a clue... XD
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> lol
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> it only happens
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> after i plug it in
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> its so weird
[23:19] <Starnestommy> thorny_sun: there's an option for /etc/sudoers that's documented somewhere in its manual page
[23:19] <FloodBot2> [Lowkey]: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:19] <[Lowkey]> im about to switch back to windows :(
[23:19] <prettyricky> Does anyone here know how to get the pen on a tablet toshiba laptop to work???
[23:19] <ogt> i've got them properly setup though
[23:19] <MrObvious> !enter | [Lowkey]
[23:19] <mneptok> !enter | [Lowkey]
[23:19] <mneptok> hahah
[23:20] <Kohlrak> Lowkey, i have both OSes, i am so close to getting rid of windows though. =p
[23:20] <MrObvious> [Lowkey]: Hmm that's odd. Try ubuntuforums.com
[23:20] <[Lowkey]> okay
[23:20] <MrObvious> [Lowkey]: I find that the forums are very helpful especially if others have had the same issue.
[23:20] <MrObvious> [Lowkey]: Do a search first.
[23:21] <MrObvious> Is there a way to split a WAV file?
[23:21] <Kohlrak> MrObvious, yulp.........
[23:21] <MrObvious> Kohlrak: How?
[23:21] <xim> i just formatted gutsy and installed hardy, i cant figure out how to get compiz back.  I have my restricted drivers enabled, and when i got to appearance >visual effects and set it to extras it doesnt enable it like i expected it to..... and theres no advanced desktop settings under perferences....but compiz is installed in synaptic
[23:22] <Kohlrak> MrObvious, look up the wave format, you'll notice it's pretty much raw data. never did it myself, but if you can program it shouldn't be too difficult
[23:22] <jbuncher_> xim:  install compizconfig-settings-manager to get the Advanced Settings app back
[23:22] <xim> ah ok thx
[23:22] <Wanderer> hmm, since they put in the patch a few weeks ago to stop requiring extended maintenance, we've had more extended mainteance tues
[23:22] <MrObvious> Kohlrak: Ahh nevermind, found something on Google.
[23:22] <selocol> Can someone teach me how to install a xchat script?
[23:23] <xim> mrobvious you can always install ubuntu studio audio in synaptic im sure theres stuff in there that will do it
[23:23] <dmsuperman> Can anybody tell me why it is that all the fonts from the msttcorefonts package look damaged? The only thing I can think of that I changed recently is installing Freetype 2.3.5, and for the past 3 days (I installed it 6 days ago) all fonts from the msttcorefonts package (Times New Roman, Arial, etc.) look terribly pixelated, to the point where I can't read them at fullsize (18px fonts even).
[23:23] <iclebyte> ubuntu-studio has a wikid ghome theme =)
[23:24] <t0nto> Hello all!
[23:24] <MrObvious> :\
[23:25] <belorix23112> hey, i just reinstalled Ubuntu 8.04, my nvidia driver isnt working please help
[23:25] <stroyan> selocol:  Put the script file in ~/.xchat2/ ?
[23:25] <c00l2sv> hi, did somebody succeed in configuring postfix with dkim-filter ? can that one help me too?
[23:25] <MrObvious> belorix23112: Just go to System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers and install it from there.
[23:25] <selocol> stroyan: thanks
[23:26] <MrObvious> dmsuperman: Try ubuntuforums.com if no one helps here.
[23:26] <MrObvious> Err .org
[23:26] <Kohlrak> Anyone know how to play RMI files on ubuntu?
[23:26] <dmsuperman> MrObvious, alright, thanks for the tip
[23:26] <MrObvious> YW
[23:26] <belorix23112> MrObvious: ive already done that, i know from before there a command you have to use
[23:26] <iclebyte> Kohlrak, real media?
[23:27] <MrObvious> belorix23112: Which part are you on?
[23:27] <bn> i have a hp pavilion N5415 and ubuntu screen does not fist the laptop sceen, i put info at http://pastebin.com/m4a83ab5c
[23:27] <iclebyte> Kohlrak, VLC has pretty good support for most things, but i've never heard of RMI - except in Java..
[23:27] <MrObvious> belorix23112: What exactly are you having problems on?
[23:27] <bn> and my name is bill nix
[23:27] <sCOTTo> hey guys my mouse keeps moving elsewhere on my screen when I close a window or minimise it - anyone got any ideas? I Am running latest with gnome - std ubuntu desktop edition on Dell notebook - im sure its a setting but cant seem to find it!
[23:27] <belorix23112> MrObvious; the driver for nvidia isnt working
[23:27] <Kohlrak> iclebyte: no, riff midi. timidity says it supports it but it doesn't seem to play the custom instruments (the whole point of RMI)
[23:27] <sCOTTo> its driving me crazy
[23:27] <[Lowkey]> scotto: does it only happen when its plugged in?
[23:27] <iclebyte> oh..
[23:27] <ironfoot_495> Hello people I'm having a problem with cups. I get the error => recoverable: Network host 'localhost' is busy. I've looked at a lot of different forums and still can't find the cure.
[23:28] <sCOTTo> [Lowkey]: nah its a touchpad
[23:28] <Kohlrak> iclebye: so no idea and try the forums which typically tells me nothing?
[23:28] <[Lowkey]> scotto: yeah but does it happen when its not plugged in?
[23:28] <dmsuperman> MrObvious, just so I don't waste mine (and others) time in the wrong place, do you have a suggestion for which category such a thread might go in?
[23:28] <sCOTTo> [Lowkey]: nah its a touchpad - it is built into the notebook... it doesnt plug in...
[23:28] <MrObvious> dmsuperman: No. I closed Firefox and am shutting down.
[23:29] <MrObvious> belorix23112: That's descriptive. I g2g sorry.
[23:29] <bbeattie> Anyone know how to auto launch an application on a custom ubuntu live CD?
[23:29] <Dante123> hi all.  Having problems getting wifi to work under 8.04 with a Dell Inspiron 1300 with a Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 [AirForce 54g] 802.11a/b/g PCI Express Transceiver (rev 02)  Any suggestions?
[23:29] <belorix23112> Ive just reinstalled Ubuntu and the Nvidia driver isnt working any suggestions
[23:29] <dmsuperman> MrObvious, alright, thanks anyway
[23:29] <rhizmoe> Dante123: care to tell us what the problem is?
[23:29] <Kohlrak> Dante123, assuming you want wireless. try NDIS =p
[23:29] <[Lowkey]> Scotto: I mean when the notebook is plugged in
[23:29] <[GSF]Martin> belorix23112: have you got the correct driver?
[23:30] <Soulwarp> !nvidia | belorix23112
[23:30] <prettyricky> Does anyone here know how to get the pen on a tablet toshiba laptop to work???
[23:30] <sCOTTo> [Lowkey]: plugged in to WHAT ?
[23:30] <t0nto> Hello all
[23:30] <jcox> Hey I need some help. need video codex for the totem movie player. Thanks
[23:30] <t0nto> need some help
[23:31] <Dante123> Well, first it wouldn't connect.  Then is would show my wifi network, but the signal was at 0%.  So I disabled it under hardware drivers....then rebooted....then reenabled.  Now I don't even get the wireless showing up at all
[23:31] <erUSUL> !codecs | jcox
[23:31] <[Lowkey]> scotto: When the laptop is plugged into the wall (:/
[23:31] <sCOTTo> power///??????
[23:31] <[Lowkey]> yes
[23:31] <jcox> ok Thanks
[23:31] <sCOTTo> no
[23:31] <[Lowkey]> next time it does it: unplug it from the wall and see if it stops
[23:31] <[Lowkey]> if it does
[23:31] <Dante123> Kohlrak exactly what do you mean?  NDIS=p ?
[23:31] <[Lowkey]> theres no known fix yet
[23:31] <sCOTTo> it is perm.
[23:31] <erUSUL> !w32codecs | jcox
[23:32] <sCOTTo> [Lowkey]: nah its permenant
[23:32] <[Lowkey]> hmmm
[23:32] <[Lowkey]> couldn't tell you then
[23:32] <[Lowkey]> sorry
[23:32] <slidge> does anyone know how to get moyre than 8 loopback devices?
[23:32] <sCOTTo> i wish i knew what teh setting is!
[23:32] <iclebyte> Kohlrak, http://www.linuxsampler.org/about.html ?
[23:32] <sCOTTo> its starting to make me agro...
[23:32] <marreco> hello anybody can help-me to get dual monitor with intel gma900 ! almost there
[23:33] <sCOTTo> marreco: what video card
[23:33] <belorix23112> How do install the Nvidia Driver, the restricted driver in Hardware Drivers isnt working. The ubuntu how to isnbt helping
[23:33] <sCOTTo> what version of linux
[23:33] <Dante123> rhizmoe basically, only wired connections showing up right now.....no "Enable Wireless" at all on the tray icon when right click
[23:33] <marreco> sCOTTo: intel gma900 with ubuntu 8.04
[23:33] <sCOTTo> !nvidia | belorix23112
[23:33] <marreco> sCOTTo: im using displayconfig-get
[23:33] <laeg> are cleartype fonts better in hardy for an lcd?
[23:33] <sCOTTo> marreco: is it a normal driver or an restricted one?
[23:34] <belorix23112> sCOTTo: that doesnt help
[23:34] <sCOTTo> ok sorry
[23:34] <sCOTTo>  :)
[23:34] <Nith> can anyone tell me why my keyboard (full usb keyboard) which worked fine in gutsy seems to ignore the numlock?
[23:34] <marreco> sCOTTo: i get dual monitor on test but when i click on keep setings on test screen he dosent keep the setings
[23:34]  * sCOTTo is using ATI with dual monitors
[23:34] <Gin> belorix23112: did you try to restart your pc and then try again? that worked for some how
[23:34] <belorix23112> Gin: yes i have
[23:34] <erUSUL> slidge: http://www.slax.org/documentation_loop_mount.php
[23:34] <Dante123> When I had 7.10 on this beast, I enabled restricted driver and then it took me to a page where I clicked on the firmware....but doesn't seem to do that under Hardy (or did it once)
[23:35] <Soulwarp> belorix23112 try running gnome-display-properties
[23:35] <marreco> sCOTTo: did u know what can be?
[23:35] <sCOTTo> marreco: yeah it doesnt seem to KEEP the settings after a reboot... its annoying. - on the other hand - it doesnt detect when you have unplugges the second monitor either :)
[23:35] <sCOTTo> marreco: nah i gave up :)
[23:35] <sCOTTo> hehe
[23:35] <marreco> no after reboot
[23:35] <J-Unit> i have a slow internet connection and ive been trying to update to hardy but dont want to anymore, the upgrade process dint pass the point were it had to fetch files...how do i undo all the changes it has made?
[23:35] <belorix23112> Soulwarp: max res is 800x600
[23:35] <marreco> just after the test
[23:35] <marreco> i see dualscreen on test but after no more
[23:35] <marreco> just a clone
[23:36] <Dante123> should I try to completely remove b43-fwcutter and then redo the enable under hardware drivers??
[23:36] <brocebeats> anyone know how to connect to a subversion server though a socks5 proxy
[23:36] <Dante123> Anyone?
[23:36] <marreco> sCOTTo: ?
[23:36] <sCOTTo> marreco: nah i gave up :)
[23:37] <stroyan> brocebeats:  How about a tsocks wrapper command.
[23:37] <marreco> :(
[23:37] <Kohlrak> Dante, worth a shot
[23:37] <marreco> so anyone ?
[23:37] <howapt> Trying to use GParted to shrink my vista partition and use the space for Ubuntu, only problem is... regardless if I sudo in, or su to root, when the program loads it shows keyrings next to the drives, and I cant edit anything
[23:37] <brocebeats> i am not familiar with that command stroyan
[23:37] <marreco> i just need to know how to use the config of displayconfig-gtk on xorg
[23:37] <msnbot> c/lear
[23:38]  * sCOTTo needs to go :)
[23:38] <belorix23112> I use nvidia for graphics, and the restricted driver isnt working and needs to be reinstalled help please and !nvidia doesnt help
[23:39] <Nith> ok, I fixed it
[23:40] <_adriaan> laeg: what do you mean by 'better'?
[23:40] <stroyan> brocebeats:  Use the 'tsocks' package to get the 'tsocks' command. You configure a proxy with /etc/tsocks.conf file. You run a command transparently using a proxy with 'tsocks command'.
[23:40] <jbuncher_> howapt:  Is that because the drives are mounted?
[23:40] <brocebeats> thats nifty
[23:40] <_oOMOo_> Cron question - I want to back up some files daily to another machine using scp - are the scripts run as root in cron.daily?
[23:40] <brocebeats> but i need subversion to actually connect via the socks5 not just checkout
[23:41] <evilbug> am i just blind,or banshee doesn't have and eq?
[23:41] <iclebyte> _oOMOo_, you can use sudo <username> script.sh to run them as whoever you want
[23:41] <howapt> jbuncher_: Well, when I unmount the Vista drive, I get an error symbol, instead of a keyring symbol, and on the info it says that the data cannot be read... all of the drives are still uneditable
[23:41] <t0nto> how so i find out what module is my wireless card is? its a intel 3945ABG but when i run "sudo modprobe -r ipw3945" i get an error can find that module
[23:41] <jbuncher_> howapt:  try installing ntfsprogs
[23:41] <howapt> jbuncher_: includes a partitioner?
[23:42] <belorix23112> My Restricted Nvidia Driver is enabled but says its not in use plEASE HELP
[23:42] <_oOMOo_> iclebyte I actually want them to run as me not root, cos I have passwordless login set up for my username
[23:42] <jbuncher_> howapt:  I think Gparted will use ntfsprogs to play nicely with ntfs file systems
[23:42] <jbuncher_> howapt:  I don't know if gparted uses the ntfs-3g stuff
[23:42] <howapt> jbuncher_: will give it a try
[23:42] <iclebyte> then use 'sudo _oOMOo_ scriptname.sh' in cron
[23:42] <erUSUL> t0nto: iwl3945
[23:42] <iclebyte> _oOMOo_, read up on /etc/sudoers you can do it with no password
[23:42] <t0nto> so its not iwp3945
[23:43] <stroyan> brocebeats:  I don't understand the distinction you make between 'connect' vs. 'checkout'.
[23:43] <belorix23112> My Restricted Nvidia Driver is enabled but says its not in use plEASE HELP
[23:43] <howapt> jbuncher_: not in the repositories
[23:43] <jbuncher_> howapt:  They're in mine....
[23:43] <Flannel> _oOMOo_: stuff in crontab is run as the user
[23:44] <belorix23112> My Restricted Nvidia Driver is enabled but says its not in use plEASE HELP
[23:44] <arooni> i accidentally typed control + s in a ubuntu ssh terminal... how do i recover?  and who the **** created a command that can freeze up stuff?
[23:44] <jbuncher_> howapt:  ntfsprogs is in main
[23:44] <Flannel> arooni: you mean in screen, yes?
[23:44] <arooni> Flannel, yes
[23:45] <_oOMOo_> thanks iclebyte - Flannel do I need to specify the username in crontab - if the script runs as anything but me then my backup machine will ask for a password
[23:45] <t0nto> so how do i find that?
[23:45] <Flannel> arooni: Everything is still running, you just can't see it.  ctrl-Q (or reconnecting) will make it all visible again
[23:45] <Arky44> hello all. I've done something horibly catastrophic to my ubuntu laptop -- reset the filesystem permissions. Is there a way to get them back to their defaults? Right now I can barely hang on to a tty as root, much less gdm as myself :P
[23:45] <marreco> anyone can help to keep the displayconfig-gtk settings??
[23:45] <arooni> eipc fail to whomever implemented control + s
[23:45] <Flannel> arooni: xoff xon
[23:46] <_oOMOo_> Flannel at least I guess it will as the ssh keys are in my $home/.ssh directory
[23:46] <Flannel> _oOMOo_: crontab is run by the user, and is a per-user file.
[23:46] <howapt> jbuncher_: found it, bit of a nublet, been installing programs through the console and as "apt-get install ntfsprogs" wasnt running I presumed the worse
[23:46] <laeg> are cleartype fonts better in hardy for an lcd?
[23:47] <jbuncher_> ah
[23:47] <Tetris> hey guys
[23:47] <laeg> _adriaan: i don't know they were described as being better for lcd
[23:47] <howapt> lol
[23:47] <Tetris> can i ask a non ubuntu question
[23:47] <laeg> !offtopic | tetris
[23:48] <_oOMOo_> Flannel ok I get you, thanks.
[23:48] <Dante124> Kohlrak it worked!  Typing on wireless now.
[23:48] <Dante124> thanks
[23:48] <Arky44> hello all. I've done something horibly catastrophic to my ubuntu laptop -- reset the filesystem permissions. Is there a way to get them back to their defaults? Right now I can barely hang on to a tty as root, much less gdm as myself :P
[23:48] <jrib> Arky44: what did you execute exactly?
[23:49] <Arky44> jrib: it wasn;t terminal, just graphical. i changed them all to root.
[23:49] <Wanderer> Anyone ahving problems with wow+wine+hardy?
[23:49] <howapt> jbuncher_: no change, still the keyrings
[23:49] <jrib> Arky44: recursively?
[23:49] <NekoKun> how to edit a vps DNS zone?
[23:49] <stroyan> Arky44:  There seems to be a sad lack of utilities to fix file permissions and ownership for the dpkg based distros like ubuntu.  If you have a good system to model after you could use chmod and chown with the --reference option to set file permissions like the good system.  Perhaps mounting your / from a liveCD boot.
[23:50] <Arky44> stroyan: i've tried the live cd...unfortunately i only have one with an outdated kernel :(
[23:50] <TaRDy> not sure if this is the right place, is there a good free hard disk cloning tool?
[23:50] <jrib> TaRDy: dd? partimage?
[23:50] <beli> Arky44: you messed with file permissions/ownership?
[23:50] <jbuncher_> howapt:  unmount it
[23:50] <got^root> hello, need sme help with icons
[23:50] <Arky44> beli: yup
[23:50] <howapt> jbuncher_: genius
[23:50] <stroyan> Arky44:  An outdated kernel won't have too much affect on the files present in the system part of the filesystem.
[23:51] <howapt> jbuncher_: well, thanks, I mean lol
[23:51] <TaRDy> jrib, are those ones to look up? I just got a new laptop and want to image the factory install
[23:51] <jbuncher_> howapt:  no problem
[23:51] <Arky44> stroyan: i know, but the CD wouldn't load
[23:51] <Arky44> the kernel
[23:51] <Choicefresh> hey so what should i do about the partitioning error?
[23:51] <heatxsink> what is the lastest version?
[23:51] <jrib> TaRDy: yeah
[23:51] <beli> i am new to ubuntu, but isnt there a manifest file?
[23:51] <jrib> heatxsink: 8.04
[23:51] <heatxsink> what is the name?
[23:51] <heatxsink> so I can upgrade i'm on gutsy atm
[23:51] <howapt> jbuncher_: if I can pick your brain one last time, how will I go about increasing the linux partition, surely unmounting linux will kill my session? (I say surely, I know nothing)
[23:52] <got^root> well, m just gonna throw this
[23:52] <got^root> i tried installing mac4lin icon theme 0.4 on 8.04
[23:52] <heatxsink> hardy
[23:52] <arooni> how do i run:  sudo locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 ... i'm getting:  'locale-gen command not found'
[23:52] <stroyan> Arky44:  If your box will boot from the liveCD then you should be able to mount the hard disk file system and fix it from there.  If it won't boot from the liveCD, then you certainly need a different one.
[23:52] <homecable> whats the name of the pack to install that has gcc
[23:52] <homecable> etc
[23:53] <Arky44> stroyan: here's the error i get when i log in:
[23:53] <got^root> now i get this error after applying it "Network manager applet could not find some required resources"
[23:53] <ompaul> homecable, build-essential
[23:53] <jbuncher_> howapt:  As long as there is space available to the right of the partition (in the little picture in gparted), you can grow an ext3 partition.  You do need to unmount the file system though.  You can do this (for example) running from a live cd.  Just install gparted.
[23:53] <homecable> yeah
[23:53] <howapt> jbuncher_: ok, thanks again
[23:53] <jbuncher_> howapt:  no problem
[23:53] <ompaul> beli, not as such, look in system administration synaptic package manager
[23:53] <Egghead2> got problems with my raid 5 array, wount mount now, ran xfs_repai -n, and got "entry "clockwork orange.iso" at block 0 offset 1144 in directory inode<PHONE_NUMBER> references non-existent inode 51034395" any one know what this means, and if i let xfs_repair fix it will i loose that file?
[23:54] <beli> ompaul: i just asked because Arky44 needs to fix file perms
[23:54] <beli> ompaul: with a manifest file he might be able to use find with xargs and some little awk/sed to fix them up
[23:54] <ompaul> beli, yuk not a hope that I am aware of
[23:55] <badjoker> is there any iranian here ?
[23:55] <raul> hola como puedo poner mi carpeta de favoritos de ie en firefox???
[23:55] <arooni> how do i run:  sudo locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8 ... i'm getting:  'locale-gen command not found' .... what should i do (ubuntu hardy)
[23:55] <arooni> is there a separate chan for unbuntu server?
[23:55] <stroyan> beli:  It is odd.  There are some md5sum checker packages for debian based systems.  But packages to not have a manifest with file permissions and ownership.
[23:55] <ompaul> beli, time to do that / reinstall and reconfigure = more than 1
[23:55] <ompaul> arooni, yes #ubuntu-server
[23:55] <Flannel> arooni: This is an appropriate channel as well
[23:55] <cathartia> I'm having trouble getting my wifi settings to "stick" with 8.04.  Everytime I reboot I have to go back in and manually configure them.
[23:55] <NekoKun> Hi all... Please, I have a Ubuntu VPS and I want to look and learn about DNS Zone... unfortunelly all I find in google is DNS servers for browsing ... Which file hosts the dns information?
[23:55] <ompaul> NekoKun, check out named
[23:56] <Arky44> stroyan: /etc/gdm/Xsession : Beginning session setup... (*newline) Setting IM through im-switch for locale=en_US. (*newline*) Start IM through /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/all_ALL linked to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default. (*newline*) mkdtemp
[23:56] <cathartia> Is there a known issue with the wifi config tool?
[23:56] <got^root> how to pm on this channel
[23:56] <Flannel> !ir | badjoker
[23:56] <marreco> anyone can help to keep the displayconfig-gtk settings??
[23:56] <Starnestommy> got^root: /msg
[23:56] <Nith> thats crazy
[23:56] <Nith> my terminal actually displayed those chars
[23:56] <NekoKun> ompaul: thanks
[23:56] <arooni> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[23:56] <arooni> Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. .... how should i fix?
[23:56] <arooni> how should i set the locale on my ubuntu? ;p
[23:57] <badjoker> Flannel: i know ;)
[23:57] <Vixus> Right, banshee has suddenly started scrolling through all the songs at high speed instead of playing the one I want it to..
[23:57] <data_user> 1321 user - thats a wow
[23:57] <beli> Arky44: what are you trying to do atm?
[23:58] <Arky44> change the file permissions back to where they were, and somwhow fix the above error
[23:58] <cathartia> I'm having trouble getting my wifi settings to "stick" with 8.04.  Everytime I reboot I have to go back in and manually configure them.
[23:58] <cathartia> Is there a known issue with the wifi config tool?
[23:58] <arooni> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[23:58] <cathartia> I did not have this prblem with Xubuntu 6.06
[23:59] <ko> hi all
[23:59] <ToxicSoul2> Im having an issue with grub and ubuntu. I have two IDE drives, and just added a SATA drive today. When I reboot with the sata drive in I get a grub error of "Error 15", if I dont have the SATA drive in, it works.. any ideas?
[23:59] <data_user> ko : hi
[23:59] <beli> Arky44: why not reinstall your packages?
[23:59] <Flannel> ToxicSoul2: your GRUB stage 1 is looking for the wrong drive to find /boot,
[23:59] <Flannel> !grub | ToxicSoul2
[23:59] <ko> can anyone point some url or explain how to setup ipv6 to make a vhost on irc?
[23:59] <Flannel> ToxicSoul2: first link there will help (do it with the other drive in)


[01:09] <Fragadelic> cjwatson_: it has hung up at 94% and nothing in the syslog.  Last entry was about grub and that is just before debconf reconfigures popularity-contest - I haven't killed reconfigure yet but it has been running for a while - stuck
[01:21] <TheMuso> kirkland: hrm, I remember seeing this with a netboot install. Will need to dig deeper.
[01:22] <kirkland> TheMuso: thx
[01:22] <kirkland> TheMuso: i've asked for a full syslog
[01:26] <TheMuso> kirkland: Ok great.
[02:08] <Fragadelic> cjwatson_: On your official livecd squashfs filesystem, do you include the /var/cache/debconf fodler and data?
[02:11] <Fragadelic> cjwatson: I didn't see anything in the log during the period where it hung up on the reconfigure but I did see messages later about it failing to copy over the /var/cache/debconf/ files to /target - going to have to check an official ubuntu livecd filesystem.squashfs and see if it si there.  wonder if the 2 are related
[03:23] <acoc> hey guys, would someone please explain what a live filesystem image is in the livecd cdimage process
[03:31] <TheMuso> acoc: The live filesystem contains a pre-installed image of the ubuntu desktop.
[03:33] <acoc> TheMuso: so if you were building an xubuntu installer, would the live filesystem contain ubuntu or xubuntu
[03:35] <TheMuso> acoc: xubuntu
[03:37] <acoc> TheMuso: so is this correct: the livecd cdimage process creates a supplemental list of packages that get installed on top of the live filesystem when installed on the hard drive?
[03:40] <persia> Actually, it's usually the other way about : typically the live filesystem contains a superset of that to be installed.
[03:42] <acoc> ok, so the filesystem is what is copied to the hard drive during an install, and cdimage creates the image that is loaded by the cdrom?
[03:46] <persia> acoc, I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  The ISO contains the live filesystem and some other stuff (documentation, boot hints, a few optional packages).  The live fileystem contains the environment loaded in the live session which is also a superset of what is installed by ubiquity.
[03:48] <acoc> after the cdimage process (for daily-livecd) is completed, is the ISO created for the livecd
[03:56] <TheMuso> acoc: The live filesystem si created on another machine, separate from cdimage.
[03:57] <acoc> I remember I was told that before, what machine is this?
[03:57] <TheMuso> acoc: Varies for the architectures, and can and has been changed.
[03:58] <acoc> are there tools to create a "standard" environment so it can be created on my machine (is this livecd.sh)
[03:59] <TheMuso> acoc: livecs-rootfs
[04:00] <TheMuso> i think
[04:02] <acoc> ok, so this creates the base system, and cdimage would borrow from this filesystem image for the livecd and also for the hard drive install?
[04:05] <persia> livecd-rootfs creates the live filesystem and the manifest files, which control how much of that ends up in the install.
[04:06] <persia> acoc, You may find mounting a live CD to be instructive, perhaps followed by a loop-mount of casper/filesystem.sqashfs from the mounted live CD.
[04:07] <acoc> ok, I'll check that out next, but I'm still a little confused about what the cdimage scripts do after taking the seeds and germinating out the package lists
[04:11] <persia> acoc, For that, you want to look at livecd-rootfs, ubuntu-cdimage, and debian-cd.  These three packages contain just about everything that gets done.  You may also want to look at casper and ubiquity, if you are curious about the boot and install process.
[04:14] <acoc> who controls livecd-rootfs, is that a debian project or ubuntu?
[04:16] <persia> It's native to Ubuntu, but "control" is an odd word there : it's open source so each project that uses it may well branch.
[04:19] <TheMuso> Unlike cdimage however, its a package that gets uploaded like any other package.
[04:20] <acoc> is that considered up to date?
[04:20] <StevenK> What do you mean?
[04:21] <acoc> should livecd-rootfs be checked out of a bazaar or is the package in apt acceptable
[04:22] <StevenK> They should be identical
[04:22] <persia> They are identical in intrepid at the moment.
[04:23] <acoc> it's the same script for both intrepid and hardy correct?
[04:23] <StevenK> It's the same script for any of them
[04:23] <persia> The versions may differ between releases though.
[04:25] <acoc> is there any good places for documentation of livecd-rootfs short of examining the script
[04:27] <StevenK> Why are you wanting to use livecd-rootfs directly, rather than updating an existing LiveCD?
[04:27] <persia> Not really, but the script isn't that large.
[04:29] <acoc> ultimately I'm trying to create a derivative with e17 as the windows manager, so I'd guess there would be some fairly major changes
[04:30] <acoc> I'm trying to make it a bit more official by developing a seed and had figured whatever would create the image would use germinate to make changes to the ubuntu image based on the seed
[04:31] <acoc> from what I understand that's what alternate install does (but I might be wrong about that as well)
[04:32] <StevenK> acoc: Essentially, livecd.sh installs a task or a meta package, so you want a eubuntu-desktop package or so
[04:32] <persia> acoc, I'd recommend starting with a set of seeds and metapackages, then building an alternate CD, and only thereafter looking at the liveCD : you'll find the fewest number of things you need to go back and change that way.
[04:33] <acoc> StevenK: the project I'm starting with OzOs currently has a meta package which contains everything e17 wise
[04:34] <acoc> persia: ok, currently I'm just trying to get xubuntu working
[05:36] <persia> Is there a bzr repo for the partman-efi Ubuntu variation?
[05:44] <TheMuso> persia: the source package info doesn't give you an URL, and there is no launchpad project?
[05:44] <persia> There is a launchpad project, it just only contains the Vcs-imports
[05:49] <persia> Well, I'll just make the change locally now, and perhaps ask about branch history in several hours, when the last uploader is more likely to be about.
[05:50] <cjwatson> persia: I don't think the import had been done when I made the uploads
[05:51] <persia> cjwatson, heh.  I thought you'd be asleep now :)  Shall I construct a branch from 17, apply ubuntu1 and ubuntu2 as two commits, and then layer my changes?
[05:52] <cjwatson> yes please
[05:52] <cjwatson> and push it to lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-efi/ubuntu
[05:52] <cjwatson> I was about to do the same, but have no objection to you doing it ;-)
[05:52] <persia> I can't do the last, but I can prep it.
[05:52] <TheMuso> persia: What are your changes BTW?
[05:52] <cjwatson> today is one of my visiting-the-office-in-London days, so I'm early
[05:53] <persia> TheMuso, adding "lpia" to the list of architectures
[05:53] <TheMuso> persia: Oh.
[05:53] <TheMuso> persia: Is that really necessary? I thought lpia wouldn't have anything to do with efi... Or does it?
[05:54] <persia> TheMuso, Intel claims EFI is supported by Atom processors.
[05:54] <persia> And actually, given what lpia is, as opposed to what Intel claims it is, using lpia+EFI should result in something like a 1.5% speed increase on most Intel Macs, due to compiler optimisations.
[05:54] <TheMuso> persia: Right.
[05:55] <persia> (mind you, this is a bad idea for Ubuntu Desktop right now, due to arch-specific compilation changes for some packages)
[06:02] <TheMuso> kirkland: Hrm ok, it appears that while the dmraid udebs are on the server disk, dmraid and libdmraid proper aren't. Checking logs and seeds to work out why now.
[06:05] <cjwatson> really? the seeds are fine
[06:09] <TheMuso> Ok seems that server-ship has the non-GUI related apps from d-i requirements, and d-i-requirements is only pulled in on desktop disks.
[06:10] <superm1> persia, do you have a link referring to what lpia is versus what intel is claiming it is?
[06:10] <TheMuso> So adding dmraid to server-ship would solve the server disks not having dmraid problem, but not knoing enough about netboot, I am not sure if that solves no dmraid for netboot. I tried a netboot install the other day and it failed in a similar fashion to what kirkland pointed out.
[06:12] <cjwatson> definitely a bug if d-i-requirements isn't being included on server CDs
[06:12] <TheMuso> Well from reading the latest server log, it seems that way.
[06:12] <cjwatson> fixing
[06:12] <cjwatson> the bug is in ubuntu.intrepid/STRUCTURE
[06:13] <TheMuso> Right, but I wasn't sure whether that was a bug, or whether that was intentional.
[06:13] <cjwatson> netboot will be something different
[06:13] <cjwatson> it's a bug, d-i-requirements is meant to be common to every installation method that uses d-i
[06:13] <cjwatson> (directly, anyway)
[06:13] <persia> superm1, No.  I've been following the literature from the Intel site in a limited fashion for the past 10 months or so.  My understanding was that it was supposed to be a low-power chip with restrictions to 1G ram, direct memory mapping to some HW resources, and other stuff, and that the A1xx and Atom processors were lpia.  I have seen these chips attached to 2G ram, and with vmx enabled.  Aside from the CPUID string, I can't tell them apa
[06:13] <persia> rt from i686.
[06:14] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Ok, I'll wait for everything to filter down, and will try another netboot install in the next day or so to see if anything has changed.
[06:14] <cjwatson> the main difference they talked about when first introducing it was the in-order execution thing
[06:14] <superm1> persia, hm that's quite interesting
[06:14] <cjwatson> TheMuso: this change will definitely not affect netboot in any way; I'm interested in what the symptoms were there
[06:15] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Ok, I'll try and grab a log dump from that. I don't have that install around any more however, but wil see what I can find.
[06:24] <persia> cjwatson, Diff from partman-efi 17 to partman-efi 18 appears to be all translations.  Is it worth merging these as long as I'm touching the package?
[06:28] <cjwatson> fine by me
[07:31] <persia> I think lp:~persia/partman-efi/ubuntu is a correct representation of the package history, plus the merge, plus my changes, with appropriate layering, etc.  Could someone take a look, to see if I've missed something?
[07:48] <persia> I think I made the right set of changes to user-setup to enable passwd/allow-password-empty, and correctly reconstructed ubiquity sources (either ubiquity or partman-efi needs adjustment or ubiquity FTBFS).  Testing this with a preseed file results in the final screen of ubiquity having the Install button disabled.  Does anyone have any pointers to where I might hunt this?
[09:37] <cjwatson> persia: ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py:info_loop()
[09:38] <cjwatson> (and probably similar stuff in other frontends)
[09:41] <persia> cjwatson, Thanks.  I also had some templates issues which I'm sorting, but I'll check that too.
[09:43] <cjwatson> persia: I think it's XS-Original-Vcs-Svn rather than XSBC-
[09:45] <cjwatson> persia: otherwise partman-efi looks fine
[09:45] <cjwatson> persia: want me to push it to ~ubuntu-core-dev?
[09:51] <persia> Actually, just using XS-Original... sounds much better.  If you wouldn't mind fixing that before pushing, I'd appreciate it.
[09:55] <cjwatson> persia: done, pushed
[09:57] <persia> cjwatson, Thank you.  Soon I'll have enough core-dev points :)
[10:24] <CIA-52> clock-setup: cjwatson * r199 clock-setup/ (debian/changelog finish-install.d/10clock-setup):
[10:24] <CIA-52> clock-setup: Apparently OpenSolaris keeps the hardware clock in local time
[10:24] <CIA-52> clock-setup: (surprisingly). Assume UTC=no if Solaris is detected (LP: #279065).
[11:18] <CIA-52> debian-installer: cjwatson * r971 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-6 kernels.
[11:28] <StevenK> cjwatson: Does the next ABI bump get "Stop it!" in a d-i commit message? :-)
[11:29] <persia> I think I sorted the remaining blocker to --automatic for ubuntu-mid with passwd/allow-password-empty in user-setup.  Please review lp:~persia/user-setup/ubuntu and  lp:~persia/casper/trunk to turn it on.
[11:29] <cjwatson> StevenK: I can't be bothered :)
[11:30] <cjwatson> (and I'm not generally into silly commit messages anyway ...)
[11:30] <StevenK> Haha
[11:33] <cjwatson> persia: user-setup is fine. I'm not sure I like that casper change; why can't ubuntu-mid just boot with automatic-ubiquity?
[11:33] <StevenK> What's the casper change?
[11:33] <cjwatson> persia: (please use UNRELEASED in changelogs before they actually get uploaded though)
[11:34] <CIA-52> user-setup: cjwatson * r118 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merge from lp:~persia/user-setup/ubuntu
[11:38] <cjwatson> as it happens I'll just upload it now anyway though ;-)
[11:38] <CIA-52> user-setup: cjwatson * r119 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.20ubuntu8
[11:40] <cjwatson> StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54955/
[11:40] <StevenK> Ohh, that change.
[11:42] <StevenK> cjwatson: Putting automatic-ubiquity in the kernel command line will achieve the same thing?
[11:45] <cjwatson> persia: or do you not launch the installer straight away?
[14:13] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2872 ubiquity/ (15 files in 10 dirs):
[14:13] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Fix intltool handling; po/Makefile.in.in was still coming from gettext.
[14:13] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Pass no-xml to IT_PROG_INTLTOOL so that we don't need to build-depend on
[14:13] <CIA-52> ubiquity: libxml-parser-perl.
[14:19] <CIA-52> oem-config: cjwatson * r535 oem-config/ (9 files in 5 dirs):
[14:19] <CIA-52> oem-config: Fix intltool handling; po/Makefile.in.in was still coming from gettext.
[14:19] <CIA-52> oem-config: Pass no-xml to IT_PROG_INTLTOOL so that we don't need to build-depend on
[14:19] <CIA-52> oem-config: libxml-parser-perl.
[15:54] <CIA-52> oem-config: cjwatson * r536 oem-config/debian/ (changelog init):
[15:54] <CIA-52> oem-config: Add a comment to /etc/init.d/oem-config to explain the purpose of the
[15:54] <CIA-52> oem-config: oem-config-firstboot check.
[16:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: thank you for your response in bug 33649 to tricky1 ...  s/he is troll and i was done arguing with him/her
[16:02] <cjwatson> you actually said you were going to follow up again and didn't ;-)
[16:02] <cjwatson> but no problem
[16:02] <cjwatson> I just came across it on the sponsorship queue
[16:22] <kirkland> cjwatson: i think you can drop the ubuntu-main-sponsors from that bug
[16:23] <kirkland> cjwatson: all of my changes related to that bug have been sponsored, and i believe that bug to be closed
[16:23] <cjwatson> yeah; done
[16:24] <kirkland> cjwatson: there may be more issues related to that bug, but i'd like to see them opened as a clean, new bug, without the 200+ comments from the peanut gallery about all things wrong with Ubuntu
[16:26] <cjwatson> kirkland: speaking of which, do you think you could take a pass through the big list in bug 68308 and see if there's anything there we can pick up and fix?
[16:26] <kirkland> cjwatson: sure, no problem... also, on my todo list, is to look at all the various raid bugs open and see if we can close some of them
[16:26] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm in #u-meeting at the moment, but thereafter
[16:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: wow, i didn't even know that 68308 existed ... that was exactly what i was trying to solve with my intrepid spec/blueprint
[17:20] <Fragadelic> cjwatson: it appears as though the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer didn't provide any extra info in the /var/log/syslog or anything extra in /var/log/installer/ either - any ideas
[17:20] <Fragadelic> is there a specific place in the kernel call line that it should be?
[17:22] <cjwatson> should produce a verbose /var/log/installer/debug
[17:23] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: in response to your question last night, yes, we do include /var/cache/debconf in the squashfs - wouldn't work otherwise
[17:23] <Fragadelic> there were only a few lines in /var/log/installer/debug
[17:23] <cjwatson> doesn't matter where DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer is, as long as it's not right up against another argument without space in between of course :)
[17:23] <cjwatson> 'cat /proc/cmdline' for me?
[17:24] <Fragadelic> I found that out - I just loop mounted an official filesystem.squashfs and tried - would the *-old files maybe cause a problem?
[17:24] <cjwatson> no
[17:24] <cjwatson> we remove them in ours to save space, that's all
[17:24] <Fragadelic> It shows up in the /proc/cmdline - I'm doing it again now in a virtual machine
[17:25] <cjwatson> oh, whoops, I was thinking of the alternate install CD and giving you completely wrong advice
[17:25] <cjwatson> instead of DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer, run ubiquity with the -d argument
[17:25] <cjwatson> sorry about that, I get confused sometimes
[17:25] <Fragadelic> ah - ok - will try that now
[17:25] <Fragadelic> no problem - I'm just glad you are willing to try to help me out
[17:27] <Fragadelic> ok - its installing right now - will doing a tail -f /var/log/installer/debug casue any issues?
[17:27] <cjwatson> no
[17:28] <Fragadelic> thats much better - lots of info in the debug now - lol
[17:28] <Fragadelic> what are the other things that you can pass for troubleshooting - both cmdline for boot and ubiquity - couldn't find much info about casper or ubiquity online
[17:32] <Fragadelic> stuck after get popularity-contest/participate and next line 1 false - hanging now - hopefully when it starts up again there will be something meaningful
[17:32] <cjwatson> unfortunately the Ubuntu installer team has not historically been all that great at documentation :(
[17:33] <Fragadelic> thats fine - most folks aren't interested in it as long as it works - I'm interested in it since remastersys builds the livecd as close to original as I cna get it including using ubiquity
[17:34] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopCDOptions
[17:34] <Fragadelic> all I do is simply disable a couple of the bottom scripts like adduser and autologin for backup mode
[17:34] <cjwatson> ok, your log as described suggests that in fact it's not getting stuck on debconf interaction, which had been my first hypothesis
[17:35] <cjwatson> could you post the output of 'ps auxf' on a pastebin from the point when it gets stuck?
[17:37] <Fragadelic> will have to figure out how to get it from the vm - lol - vm won't allow me to copy and paste right now - have to find out why
[17:37] <cjwatson> TheMuso: bug 279288 - looks like dmraid needs to be activated only when explicitly asked for
[17:37] <cjwatson> scpfra	scp?
[17:37] <cjwatson> oops
[17:37] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: scp?
[17:39] <Fragadeli1> ok - logged in from the vm - don't do irc much - how do I post to pastebin?
[17:40] <kirkland> Fragadeli1: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[17:40] <kirkland> Fragadeli1: you can echo $foo | pastebinit
[17:40] <kirkland> Fragadeli1: and it'll spew a url back at you
[17:41] <Fragadeli1> http://pastebin.com/f1019d4e5
[17:41] <Fragadeli1> this is the debug file
[17:42] <Fragadeli1> kirkland: thank you very much
[17:42] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: that seems like the debug file from a successful installation
[17:43] <Fragadelic> but take a look at the time from one step to the other at line 2956
[17:44] <Fragadelic> 6 minute hang - sometimes longer and sometimes it doesn't even finish - hangs indefinitely
[17:44] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[17:44] <Fragadelic> removing popularity-contest and install flows along nicely
[17:45] <Fragadelic> there is a perl call for debconf that seems to be where it hangs
[17:45] <cjwatson> I think you're misinterpreting that - I'd need the full output
[17:45] <cjwatson> ubiquity uses debconf throughout and there'll be a perl process running for debconf rather a lot really
[17:46] <cjwatson> the point you refer to happens to be where update-initramfs is run
[17:46] <Fragadelic> ah ok - its just that removing popularity-contest makes the issue disappear
[17:46] <cjwatson> that's a very time-consuming process
[17:46] <Fragadelic> update-initramfs on my system goes quickly
[17:47] <cjwatson> could take a long time if you're low on memory for some reason
[17:47] <cjwatson> I'm not questioning your observations, but the coincidence is very suspicious
[17:47] <Fragadelic> never been 6 minutes and like I said if popularity-contest is removed it doesn't hang there - night and day diff
[17:47] <Fragadelic> i hear you - but...I rebuild the initramfs during remastersys after making changes to casper so its ready for the livecd
[17:48] <Fragadelic> to build a cd that ends up with a 3.6G squashfs file it takes less than 10 minutes total
[17:48] <cjwatson> can you put 'set -x' on the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/popularity-contest.postinst in the squashfs?
[17:48] <cjwatson> and then rerun with debugging in the same way
[17:50] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm going through that list of RAID bugs, i'm marking "Fix Released" for the ones I can't reproduce, and have a good reason to believe that the problem has been fixed by some recent work by myself, or others
[17:50] <Fragadelic> I'll try that but I have to go back to work now :( - will do it after work and pastebin the debug again
[17:51] <cjwatson> I can't see anything in popularity-contest.postinst that should take significant time, so while I understand and am not questioning your comment, please understand that I'm thinking about possible secondary effects of removing popularity-contest as well as the obvious direct effect
[17:51] <kirkland> cjwatson: inviting, of course, anyone subscribing to the bug to reopen if they can confirm the behavior in Intrepid
[17:51] <cjwatson> all very puzzling
[17:51] <cjwatson> kirkland: thanks, much appreciated
[17:51] <Fragadelic> the only thing popularity-contest removes is the ubuntu-standard meta package placeholder
[17:51] <kirkland> cjwatson: k, just checking if that's the proper response for bugs that were reported against something like Edgy
[17:52] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: at the package management system, certainly; but in theory its absence could cause ubiquity to skip some other step that it would otherwise have performed
[17:52] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: the reason I need the output of 'ps auxf' is to see whether popularity-contest.postinst is running at the time of the hang
[17:52] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: if it isn't, then that's pretty definite proof that popularity-contest itself is not at fault, but rather something near it
[17:53] <Fragadelic> I can do that part real quick now if you like - how do I reset the entries cause if I remember correctly, ubiquity thinks its already been answered
[17:53] <cjwatson> kirkland: seems reasonable to me
[17:53] <cjwatson> Fragadelic: I'd rather not introduce further variables - start from a clean boot
[17:53] <Fragadelic> ok
[17:54] <Fragadelic> so DEBCONF_DEBUG is not needed right?
[17:55] <cjwatson> correct
[17:55] <Fragadelic> thanks
[17:57] <Fragadelic> running installer now - will pastebin the info you asked for shortly
[18:01] <FragadelicVM> http://pastebin.com/f5cf7af01
[18:02] <cjwatson> huh, a zombie process
[18:02] <Fragadelic> i guess - defunct - any ideas how to get around it?
[18:02] <Fragadelic> or why it is happening
[18:03] <cjwatson> give me a minute!
[18:03] <Fragadelic> i tried several different things - purgin popularity-contest - installing it but not configuring it,etc nothing seemd to work
[18:03] <Fragadelic> thanks - no hurry
[18:07] <Fragadelic> I really have to go now - take your time - I posted on the mailing list and maybe you can respond with what you find to that -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:07] <Fragadelic> thank you all very much for your time!
[18:13] <cjwatson> this really looks like the symptom you get when a postinst starts a daemon process that fails to close stdin
[18:13] <cjwatson> but popularity-contest doesn't do that
[18:13] <cjwatson> what changes have you made to your image?
[18:20] <evand> cjwatson: would this break networking in d-i? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/55062/
[18:20] <evand> or rather, do you think it could
[18:21] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I think it probably could
[18:21] <cjwatson> hw-detect calls update-dev and netcfg runs afterwards
[18:21] <evand> indeed, that's what I suspected.
[18:22] <evand> from poking through hw-detect
[18:22] <cjwatson> you could patch it in ubiquity
[18:22] <evand> indeed, ugly, but it seems like the only other option.
[18:22] <evand> ok, thanks for the advice!
[18:22] <cjwatson> np
[19:40] <Fragadelic_> cjwatson: what was the reasoning behind having the installer copy directly from the filesystem.squashfs as opposed to copying it from the working live system?  I've always been curious about this
[19:42] <evand> Fragadelic_: users tend to muck about in the working live system and expect a prestine copy of the OS to be installed to their disk.
[19:42] <Fragadelic_> lol - I always just install it and then muck later
[19:43] <Fragadelic_> did you ever try it the other way or was it always an executive decision to just install from the pristine file?
[19:44] <evand> I can't speak to the research behind this as I wasn't working on ubiquity back then.  cjwatson, as you rightly requested originally, would be able to speak on that.
[19:49] <Fragadelic_> ok thanks - I decided to start work on a simple installer based on one that I worked on for the Vector Linux livecd - trying to make it both cli and gui so it can be used with a live server as well
[19:50] <Fragadelic_> does anyone know if all the ubuntu kernels are capable of running in live mode - ie - have squashfs and loop?
[21:00] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r2873 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[21:00] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Do not remove the files for packages that will break other packages when
[21:00] <CIA-52> ubiquity: removed (LP: #276657).
[21:04] <evand> That's probably poorly titled, but I could not think of a better way of describing what it is doing.
[21:04] <evand> Suggestions welcome.
[21:20] <cr3> I'm getting an error when trying to netinstall hardy because I request to pkgsel/include openssh-server but the client and the server versions don't match: openssh-server: Depends: openssh-client (= 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1) but 1:4.7p1-8ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[21:21] <CarlFK> cr3: pretty sure I do that.  what are you using as a repo?
[21:24] <cr3> CarlFK: at first, I use the alternate image made available through apache. Then, I create a sources.list.apt-setup file containing: deb $archive_url $release main universe multiverse
[21:24] <cr3> CarlFK: where $archive_url is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and $release is hardy
[21:28] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/83040/
[21:28] <cr3> CarlFK: I moved my request for openssh-server from pkgsel/include to late_command string apt-install openssh-server
[21:29] <CarlFK> I run apt-cache on a local box so that I only dl the .deb's once - but if I am having troubles I use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:37] <CarlFK> cr3: are you using the 8.04.1 cd?
[21:37] <CarlFK> I bet the ssh-key thing is the root of your problem
[21:39] <cr3> CarlFK: yep, I'm using 8.04.1. maybe I could add: d-i debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated string true
[21:43] <CarlFK> i never needed that - your setup sounds like what I did before I used apt-cache
[21:43] <CarlFK> use the .deb on the cd as a local repo, then apt-get upgrade later
[21:52] <cr3> CarlFK: darn, the apt-install in the late command returns the same error message
[21:53] <CarlFK> wait... pretty sure you don't want that anyway
[21:53] <CarlFK> that will install it to the installer's environment (ram), not the disk you are installing to
[21:54] <cr3> CarlFK: what, the allow_unauthenticated thing?
[21:54] <CarlFK> i think
[21:54] <cr3> CarlFK: the apt-install should install to the disk, hence the example file which uses that for zsh
[21:55] <CarlFK> that sounds reasonable
[21:56] <CarlFK> how about skipping it and installing after boot?
[21:57] <CarlFK> do you plan on doing this once ibex is released?
[21:57] <CarlFK> where this=hardy
[22:04] <Fragadelic> cjwatson: No changes at all to the image - it was a fresh install and then I just remastered right afterwards.  It was one of my test of remastersys to make sure it worked properly with 8.04
[22:07] <Fragadelic> here is my remastersys script that does all the work - obviously the version I used didn't have the remove portion this one does.  http://pastebin.com/f78cff54b
[22:29] <TheMuso> cjwatson: This is the problem with the metadata approach. A user may have all BIOS options turned off, but the metadata is still present. Unfortunately I can't tink of a way to only activate dmraid when asked for without having to deal with things like adding kernel command-line parameters, which to me seem not very user-friendly.
[22:30] <superm1> evand, oooh yuck. we just got the beta DVD into our factory install.  "NotImplementedError: ubiqutiy.frontend.noninteractive.Wizard does not implement set_auto_login"
[22:36] <evand> argh, fixing now.
[22:38] <superm1> evand, after you do, can you do a run through noninteractive and make sure nothing else is standing out?  it unfortunately causes a ton of churn here every time we rev these DVD images for small installer things that break
[22:41] <evand> absolutely
[22:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: evand * r2874 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/noninteractive.py):
[22:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Fix a crash in the noninteractive frontend due to missing auto_login
[22:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: functions.
[22:47] <evand> ^ I'll test that in a bit.
[23:21] <kirkland> evand: hey, today's server build isn't detecting the network or hard disks...  known issue?
[23:30] <evand> yikes, not known to me
[23:40] <kirkland> evand: ugh


[13:34] <wrst> hello ifsp
[13:35] <ifsp> Good morning wrst ^^
[13:35] <wrst> how are you ?
[13:35] <ifsp> Great, it's Friday. :D
[13:35] <ifsp> You?
[13:36] <wrst> same here :)
[13:45] <ifsp> wrst: What do you think about all this systemd uproar?
[14:12] <wrst> ifsp: a lot of useless open source drama :)
[14:12] <wrst> what about you?
[14:12] <wrst> I'm a fan of systemd however
[14:13] <wrst> I use arch on the desktop and have been using it for a pretty good while now so the debate really seems majorly silly to me especially seeing what I think are a lot of the benefits
[14:13]  * wrst hopes he didn't just start a flame war...
[14:15] <ifsp> I like systemd, certainly more than upstart. The drama isn't totally baseless but the detractors aren't offering any solutions.
[14:58] <wrst> yeah I can't say I understand drama period
[14:58] <wrst> but I must say I like how it works as a dumb user
[14:59] <wrst> I hear unit files and all of that are supposed to be better too but I have no clue on any of that
[15:11] <ifsp> wrst: So arch still treating you well? I have it on my laptop and I'm strongly tempted to replace Ubuntu on my desktop after many years. It's the stability of LTS stopping me--I'd hate to lose my development environment to a sour -Syu and you hear those stories persistently, even though I'm sure the risk is *actually* minimal.
[15:11] <wrst> ifsp: my thing is watch the updates, check the website, if you need your computer to work wait to update
[15:12] <ifsp> How often do you catch breaking changes?
[15:13] <wrst> last major thing that I was realy worried about was changing /bin or whatever that was
[15:13] <wrst> but had a step by step how to do it
[15:15] <wrst> and systemd was another one of those instances but just random breakage I've never had it
[15:19] <wrst> ifsp: I keep things pretty vanilla, no custom kernels, minimal aur packages etc so my system always seems to work well
[15:20] <wrst> no proprietary drivers either for video since it is intel
[15:24] <ifsp> That's nice. I'm tempted to go back to intel on my next build for that reason.
[15:26] <ifsp> Plenty of weird issues with my nvidia card, to wit rooted in developers trying to guess at driver APIs.
[15:26] <ifsp> Or applying the LCD principle.
[15:28] <ifsp> I love the AUR though and the limited obsfucation in system properties; not to mention the impressive wiki.
[15:31] <ifsp> I feel like I'm talking myself in to it. :D Could be a fun Friday project and I can always dual boot until I man up.
[16:09] <wrst> ha ha ifsp
[16:09] <wrst> hello hashbrowns_


[17:49] <studio-user729> hi all
[17:49] <studio-user729> newbee alert - is it possible to get somehow apple MOV editable into openshot ?
[17:50] <studio-user729> all the time video isnt playable
[17:50] <studio-user729> audio only :-(
[17:50] <studio-user729> i sthere a codec pack for ubuntu ?
[18:00] <tyche> I've never tried MOV files in OpenShot.  You might have to convert it to something else, first.
[18:11] <eein_> where does PA get its profiles from?
[18:12] <eein_> and is there a way to mske your own?
[18:19] <sunz> Hi! i just installed ubuntu-studio, everything went well except that the fonts look somewhat "rainbow-colored" here and there..  what can i do to fix that?
[18:29] <MaynardWaters> sunz: have you tried simply switching the fonts?
[18:30] <sunz> MaynardWaters, yes, fontsize, hinting and stuff, this all affects it, but its still there, more or less
[19:40] <Farmer_> hi
[19:42] <Farmer_> i have a little problem with booting from the live dvd, maybe somebody can help me with that
[19:43] <Farmer_> if i select "Try Ubuntu Studio without installing" i get a bleck screen, then another black screen with a prompt and then i get vertical pink stripes
[19:43] <ailo> Farmer_: What kind of graphic card do you have?
[19:43] <Farmer_> thats ubuntu studio 12.04, with a hd 6790
[19:44] <Farmer_> and then my moniter shuts down
[19:44] <Farmer_> monitor*
[19:44] <ailo> Farmer_: Have you tried the standard Ubuntu live CD?
[19:45] <Farmer_> no, i already have ubuntu on my other pc
[19:46] <Farmer_> but i can try...just have to burn another cd (dvd?)
[19:46] <ailo> Farmer_: You could create a bootable usb
[19:46] <ailo> unetbootin is easy to use
[19:46] <ailo> Farmer_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125710/monitor-turns-off-while-installing-12-04http://askubuntu.com/questions/125710/monitor-turns-off-while-installing-12-04
[19:46] <Farmer_> how many gb does that require?
[19:46] <ailo> Ubuntu live is the size of a CD
[19:47] <ailo> Not all sticks support it. Most modern systems do support booting from usb stickas
[19:47] <ailo> sticks*
[19:47] <Farmer_> mhh, thanks for that page....i will try that
[19:48] <ailo> Farmer_: If that works, you might need to install raphic drivers to get things working after that. Also, if it does not work, but standard Ubuntu does, you can always install ubuntu studio using the meta-packages: ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntustudio-audio, etc
[19:49] <ailo> The latter on top of an existing Ubuntu install
[19:49] <plotino> ciao
[19:49] <Farmer_> ailo: thank you, i will try that
[19:50] <Farmer_> forcevesa does work
[19:50] <ailo> Nice
[19:52] <Farmer_> yeah, it did boot
[19:52] <Farmer_> thank you
[19:52] <ailo> plotino: Hello
[19:52] <ailo> Farmer_: Great
[19:53] <plotino> hello
[19:53] <ailo> plotino: New to Ubuntu Studio?
[19:54] <plotino> no
[19:54] <plotino> but im still at 10.09
[19:55] <ailo> 10.10?
[19:55] <plotino> no way to update because it's installed on old machine
[19:55] <plotino> how to check it by shell?
[19:55] <ailo> You want to update using the terminal?
[19:56] <ailo> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:56] <plotino> no no
[19:56] <plotino> just the command to see which isuue i have installed now
[19:58] <Farmer_> mhh, strange...i dont even have to type xforcevesa, just select nomodeset and it works...
[19:58] <ailo> plotino: It's in /etc/. Either do: cat /etc/issue, or cat/etc/*release
[19:59] <astraljava> plotino: lsb_release -a
[20:01] <plotino> thnx
[20:01] <plotino> ok
[20:01] <plotino> i got 10.10
[20:01] <plotino> i wanna ask to you
[20:02] <plotino> which is the best sw in the suite to record audio when playing back some MIDI traces?
[20:03] <ailo> I think all sequencers that are midi capable, and can record audio, are good for recording audio. But, some may be better at processing the audio
[20:03] <ailo> qtractor is ok
[20:03] <ailo> Ardour3 is another option
[20:03] <ailo> It's available as a beta release at the Ardour home page
[20:04] <ailo> You can also use two DAW's by syncing them. You could use qtractor for midi, but Ardour for audio
[20:05] <ailo> Both should be configured to follow jack transport
[20:05] <plotino> ardour is very heavy for my system and sometimes get my audio card stuck
[20:05] <plotino> what about rosegarden?
[20:05] <ailo> plotino: May I ask, what kind of computer is this? Processor, RAM?
[20:06] <ailo> rosegarden is fine as well. I find it crashes for me sometimes, but I haven't used it very much
[20:06] <plotino> athlon 1GHz
[20:07] <plotino> RAM 512 MHz
[20:07] <plotino> thtas the point
[20:07] <ailo> I used to use a similar computer a couple of years ago
[20:07] <plotino> i would like to have a stable and affordable system
[20:07] <ailo> plotino: Are you using a low latency capable kernel?
[20:07] <plotino> but ardour is not so stable
[20:07] <plotino> not now
[20:07] <ailo> I think all of the programs can be a bit flakey at times
[20:07] <plotino> before updating kernel
[20:08] <plotino> i had kernel RT
[20:08] <ailo> ok
[20:08] <plotino> now its generic pne
[20:08] <plotino> one
[20:08] <ailo> rt kernels can be unstable. I had some problems on the older computer
[20:09] <ailo> With generic, you will not be able to get low latency, but is that important to you?
[20:09] <ailo> plotino: Have you tried MusE?
[20:09] <ailo> I like the midi on MusE. The audio part is not very advanced
[20:10] <plotino> yes
[20:10] <plotino> only for midi infact
[20:10] <plotino> i have a creative sound blaster platinum
[20:12] <ailo> I think Ardour is best for mixing, etc
[20:12] <ailo> But for recording, I don't think it matters
[20:14] <plotino> so maybe rosegarden could be the final choice
[20:21] <ailo> plotino: I find that I can't do everything with only one SW. I do use Ardour quite a lot, but I need other DAW's for other things. Could be Ardour3 is better. You could try it. I think it should work fine on your Ubuntu version
[20:22] <ailo> It has midi support, but it's different from other DAW's
[20:22] <plotino> u use more than 1 Daw?
[20:22] <ailo> Yeah
[20:22] <ailo> Depends on what I am doing
[20:22] <ailo> I do mixing with Ardour
[20:33] <plotino> ailo
[20:33] <plotino> which is your instrument?
[20:35] <ailo> plotino: I'm allround. Drums, guitar, keyboard(piano)..
[20:35] <ailo> I haven't used Linux for multichannel recording much though - when recording drums
[20:36] <plotino> have u studied music composition?
[20:36] <ailo> I usually use other OS's (cause I don't record drums at home)
[20:36] <plotino> ok
[20:36] <ailo> plotino: Yes
[20:36] <plotino> cool
[20:37] <ailo> I started studying at the library, but I later studied at http://www.gotlandstonsattarskola.com/en
[20:37] <ailo> It's open for foreigners the last time I checked
[20:37] <ailo> Full time, composition only
[20:38] <ailo> Seems like they haven't translated everything
[20:52] <ailo> plotino: How about you. Did you study something?
[21:09] <plotino> ailo,
[21:09] <plotino> sorry i was busy
[21:09] <plotino> im an electrical bassist
[21:09] <plotino> and im going to learn upright
[21:09] <plotino> i like linux
[21:10] <plotino> so i play sometimes with ubuntu studio
[21:20] <ailo> plotino: Like holstein. He's also a bass player
[21:21] <ailo> He plays mostly jazz. Both electric and upright
[21:21] <ailo> He's usually the one most active here
[21:21] <plotino> i would the same :)e
[22:30] <holstein> ailo: missed em' :/


[20:38] <ochosi> hmm, we need to change the icon for the xubuntu help desktop file... doesn't show any icon with Adwaita
[22:32] <smkellat> LP Bug 1855621
[22:32] <smkellat> I'm very rusty at these sorts of things.


[06:59] <aaronrus_> i have tried to install ubuntu form CD but get errno 5 input/output half way through the install I have did the md5sum the media check and memory test  I run badblocks and everything tests ok. I have tried to install from USB but my computer will not boot to USB i checked the BIOS
[07:00] <aaronrus_> this is the second computer i have had issues installing ubuntu on  I can install Fedora core 12 just fine.  at one point i got error sessions bus /bin/dbus
[07:01] <aaronrus_> im starting to wonder if there is a bug in the installer
[07:02] <aaronrus_> read my post for more info http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8575415#post8575415
[07:02] <aaronrus_> please pass this info on to the development team
[14:21] <dmarkey_> is there a way to disable ext4 via preseed?
[14:21] <dmarkey_> at least for the default fs
[16:32] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r253 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Hack around GTK's lack of good label wrapping (again).
[16:47] <CIA-4> usb-creator: evand * r254 trunk/ (debian/changelog man/usb-creator-gtk.8 man/usb-creator-kde.8): Point to correct location for the log file in the man page.
[20:36] <dmarkey_> is there a way to specify grub legacy to be installed in presees in 9.10?


[04:12] <statuz> hello can somebody help me here? Im using ubuntustudio working on a track everything his fine. firefox has sound and so has bitwig-studio and everything else. shutdown the laptop go for a walk come back--- no sound
[04:12] <statuz> this keeps happening making the machine unreliable
[04:13] <statuz> sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
[04:21] <statuz> this is so frustrating
[04:39] <statuz> this is a nighttmare
[04:41] <krytarik> statuz: Calm down a bit, and also ask in #ubuntu
[04:43] <statuz> i know im sorry, its just very frustrating. i love linux, been using it for years now and know how to troubleshoot alot of problems in the machine but when it comes to producing music i spend more time figuring out how to make things work than actually making music
[13:55] <studio-user036> hello


[00:26] <zcot> so.... i must've found the wrong website? it's from last decade. O_O
 zcot huh?
[00:30] <zcot> was looking for activity info. couldn't really see anything current. just wondering what goes on.
[00:30] <zcot> maybe the mailing list?
 This channel is the most active spot.
 https://ubuntu-fl.org
 From time to time we'll use Meetup to schedule an event.
 https://www.meetup.com/ubuntufl/
[00:32] <zcot> ahoneybun, cool. sounds good then.
 yep
 check out the size of this laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9tUEOFKNU


[12:05] <Who_> great :) - she an art critic then :P?
[12:05] <fschoep> Who_ - basically get it out on the list and I'll try to get everything in good shape on the Wiki.
[12:05] <Who_> wow, that makes things easy :)
[12:05] <fschoep> I will apply some filtering so that bad ideas don't end up taking too much time.
[12:06] <Who_> ponder is where you want 'back of napkin' stuff, right?
[12:06] <fschoep> But I'm all ears right now.
[12:06] <fschoep> Who_ that is "Propose"
[12:06] <fschoep> We're first going to look for textures, materials and colors for the theme.
[12:06] <kwwii> frank, one queston though....the general direction of Human is already pretty much fixed, or?
[12:06] <fschoep> One thing Mark requested is we use "glass".
[12:06] <kwwii> so certain things cannot simply be turned upside down
[12:06] <Who_> yea, I'd like to know that :)
[12:06] <Who_> this is Icons or GTK?
[12:07] <fschoep> kwwii indeed - but for instance the "glass" thing can be applied to Human.
[12:07] <kwwii> true
[12:07] <fschoep> Who_ this will be for the usplash (if possible), login manager screen, login splash and wallpaper.
[12:07] <Who_> okay :)
[12:07] <Who_> how muich flexibility is there to add a second colour to Human GTK?
[12:07] <fschoep> It might influence the GTK theme as well.
[12:08] <fschoep> I think there is not much space to maneuver, brown / orange is the safest bet.
[12:08] <Who_> I have just maed some Ubuntu text that uses the colours straight from the folder icon - it's not perfect but it is glassy :)
[12:08] <Who_> I am loving black/orange on my system here, but brown and orange is cool :)
[12:09] <fschoep> But you can apply a texture to pretty much any color, you could even have blue sand if you wanted to, so we can use water ripples as a texture in a brown scheme.
[12:09] <Who_> yea. I was playing with Fyre+Gimp this evening and have a cool orange/(very dark) brown wallpaper
[12:10] <fschoep> We don't necessarily have to include extra textures, but great ideas are welcome. The glass thing is pretty much in already and we're looking for other ideas we can include.
[12:10] <kwwii> fschoep: corrected version sent
[12:11] <fschoep> Oh dear.
[12:11] <fschoep> It came out with '>' quotes in front.
[12:11] <fschoep> Should I look for those '^' signs for corrections?
[12:13] <kwwii> yepp
[12:14] <fschoep> OK, great.
[12:14] <kwwii> :-)
[12:14] <fschoep> I applied the three(?) corrections, is it good to send it out now?
[12:14] <kwwii> I think so
[12:14] <fschoep> We need to get started somewhere I suppose.
[12:14] <kwwii> but I wonder how much will really come out of this phase
[12:14] <kwwii> true
[12:14] <kwwii> if we do not try, we will never know
[12:15] <fschoep> We'll just wait and see. I'll be on the ball tomorrow and onwards.
[12:15] <kwwii> cool
[12:15] <fschoep> I didn't seem to get your reply on my mail about the studio, did it get lost in the shuffle?
[12:16] <Who_> Has anyone got time to offer some advice on the glassy logo text?
[12:16] <kwwii> I resent it, just in case
[12:16] <Who_> http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/glasslogo.png
[12:16] <kwwii> Who_: artistically?
[12:16] <Who_> yea :)
[12:16] <Who_> (I meant 'the glassy logo text I just tried to make' not _the_ glassy logo text
[12:17] <kwwii> Who_: the very top of the glass effect shold be lighter than the bottom of it (the rounded line)
[12:17] <Who_> you mean the outline?
[12:17] <kwwii> so the glass effect should be lightest at the very tip
[12:17] <kwwii> top
[12:17] <kwwii> no, I mean the fill
[12:17] <fschoep> Kenneth - thanks dude!
[12:17] <Who_> ohh, okay
[12:17] <kwwii> although the outline should be like that as well
[12:18] <fschoep> I will send the Ponder kickoff within a few minutes, then I'll be sleeping (bad timing). Tomorrow morning I'm going to wade through all the submissions.
[12:18] <kwwii> to make it look really realistic
[12:18] <Who_> yes, I see. I was copying Human folder icon, which does it the same way round as I have in the logo. I
[12:18] <kwwii> fschoep: cool, see you tomorrow
[12:18] <fschoep> kwwii: sleep tight, see you tomorrow.
[12:18] <Who_> bye
[12:18] <kwwii> fschoep: I will
[12:18] <fschoep> Goodnight everyone :-)
[12:19] <kwwii> Who_: hrm , never seen that before
[12:19] <Who_> but it is like that, I'm not going mad?
[12:19] <kwwii> but as one of the people who made crystal, I do know a lot about glass effects :p
[12:19] <Who_> indeed!
[12:19] <kwwii> Who_: to be honest, I only have KDE running now
[12:21] <Who_> kwwii: I'm struggling with the outline, actually. Is it best to make it semi transparent or just an opaque gradient?
[12:22] <kwwii> I guess with such a simple form, it would be better to make the top an opaque gradient
[12:25] <kwwii> ok, time for me to hit the hay as well
[12:25] <kwwii> see you all tomorrw
[12:54] <troy_s> greetz
[01:03] <Who_> hi troy
[01:03] <Who_> any advice on this?
[01:03] <Who_> http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/glasslogo1.png
[01:04] <troy_s> heyas who
[01:05] <troy_s> colour palette aside (i believe we are heading back into the palette spectrum listed as default), i think it is very well done.
[01:05] <troy_s> works into that gloss that weidel posted on the wallpaper.
[01:06] <troy_s> very professional looking.
[01:06] <Who_> I used _exactly_ the same colours as the Human folder icon - are these likely to change?
[01:06] <troy_s> no
[01:06] <Who_> the brows don't really lend themselves to glass
[01:06] <Who_> *browns
[01:06] <troy_s> but i think the goal is to tweak the entire palette back towards the brownish/orange
[01:06] <troy_s> yes...
[01:06] <troy_s> which is why we need to be creative.
[01:06] <troy_s> its very slick though.
[01:06] <troy_s> try monochroming it to your eyes, and see if you can trigger something else.
[01:07] <troy_s> further still...
[01:07] <troy_s> be thinking about what to do with a wallpaper integrating that kind of gloss.
[01:07] <Who_> kwwii had a hand in giving me som crystal coaching :)
[01:07] <troy_s> the problem is that a wallpaper needs to be rather large
[01:07] <troy_s> its very slick
[01:07] <Who_> :P that'll be up in 10 mins
[01:07] <troy_s> large wallpaper / logon splash means that a single band might not be the most effective means of glossing... just throwing it out there... someone might be able to work around that limitation.
[01:08] <troy_s> avoid branding
[01:08] <troy_s> for the time being
[01:08] <Who_> in fact, looking at it now, it doesn't really 'integrate' :(
[01:08] <troy_s> which means it needs to feel distinctively ubuntu
[01:08] <Who_> well, what I've got isn't going to cut it. But it is cool :P
[01:08] <troy_s> in a different way (possibly texture, but mark hasn't developed a terrific artistic language for communicating just yet :) )
[01:08] <Who_> I'll put it up soon and you can see what I mean
[01:08] <troy_s> it DOES actually feel right with the icons
[01:08] <troy_s> you seen the reference page that bersace made?
[01:08] <Who_> yea :), that's the idea
[01:08] <troy_s> it is very handy
[01:09] <Who_> oh, no, can you link me?
[01:09] <troy_s> also bear in mind that i blieve frank is going to dial down the orange of the window borders etc... back into spectrum
[01:09] <troy_s> yeah hold.
[01:09] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives/
[01:09] <troy_s> He has done some terrific work collecting all the bits...
[01:09] <troy_s> it is great to hold next to your output and compare with the integration factor.
[01:11] <troy_s> i would monochrome it and ship it to frank though.  the problem with colour too early is that it is very limiting regarding inspirational impact.
[01:11] <troy_s> i think that is a possible direction for the logon splash branding, although i suspect we will go smaller (judging from the existing usplash)
[01:15] <Who_> I will mail monochrome and normal to the list :)
[01:16] <Who_> I think we can use a brown panel bg image
[01:16] <Who_> perhaps
[01:16] <Who_> brown and slightly glassy
[01:17] <Who_> I have black and slightly glassy at the moment and I love it
[01:17] <Who_> troy: any future? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/FyreTextures
[01:23] <troy_s> sorry
[01:24] <troy_s> i have been trying to gather all the vids
[01:28] <troy_s> crap
[01:28] <troy_s> 9,000,000,000 phone calls all of a sudden
[01:28] <troy_s> sorry who... let me look brother.
[01:29] <troy_s> fyre is darn nice isn't it?
[01:29] <troy_s> yah i like that particular look... have you seen the two i poked out in an hour or two?
[01:29] <troy_s> you there Who_ ?
[01:29] <Who_> yea, I'm here
[01:29] <Who_> which two?
[01:29] <Who_> yea, fyre is wicked!
[01:31] <troy_s> hold.
[01:32] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TroySobotka/DapperLook
[01:32] <troy_s> different caramel twist.
[01:35] <troy_s> Who_, although your fyre texture is interesting because it is triggering some sort of old cartographer's map idea...
[01:35] <troy_s> i'll do some hunting...
[01:38] <Who_> yea, troy_s, they're nice!
[01:38] <Who_> caramel is more ubuntu-friendly
[04:10] <Madpilot> hi all
[04:13] <troy_s> greetz mad
[04:14] <Madpilot> hi troy_s - nice compiling Inkscape article - might have to try that later tonight, because 0.44 looks very shiny...
[04:14] <troy_s> yep... people are really stepping up to the plate
[04:14] <troy_s> its nice to see.
[06:02] <troy_s> hey bersace
[06:02] <bersace> hey troy_s
[06:02] <bersace> :)
[06:05] <bersace> troy_s: WTF is doing viper with its themes !
[06:06] <troy_s> laf
[06:06] <troy_s> well to each their own...
[06:06] <troy_s> is he clogging up incoming?
[06:07] <troy_s> send him a polite email perhaps.
[06:11] <troy_s> hey jsgotangco
[06:11] <troy_s> how you doing?
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hi!
[06:20] <jsgotangco> not bad, just had a series of unfortunate events at home (well my car specifically)
[06:25] <troy_s> uh oh
[06:25] <troy_s> what happened jsgotangco
[06:26] <jsgotangco> my car alarm got busted so the car wont start i discovered it around 8pm at my office building
[06:26] <troy_s> hey that's great
[06:26] <jsgotangco> so i had to take a taxi home and had someone fix it up today
[06:26] <troy_s> super fun
[06:26] <jsgotangco> at least it didnt get stalled in the middle of nowhere
[07:02] <troy_s> what are you up to bersace?
[07:02] <PseudoPlacebo> Goodnight, ya'll.
[07:02] <bersace> PseudoPlacebo: 'night
[07:03] <bersace> troy_s: i'm hardly working on gnome scanning
[07:03] <bersace> creating Preview widget
[07:03] <bersace> and other backend stufs
[07:03] <bersace> i didn't touch Kubuntu
[07:03] <troy_s> cool is that for gnome scan?
[07:04] <troy_s> and it is 'i'm working hard'  hardly working means that you are barely working :)
[07:08] <bersace> troy_s: yes, gnome scan
[07:08] <bersace> sorry
[07:08] <bersace> that a "fake friend"
[07:08] <bersace> i'm doing hardcore work !
[07:08] <troy_s> laf
[07:08] <Madpilot> isn't English fun? ;)
[07:09] <bersace|code> hate it sometimes
[07:09] <troy_s> can't blame you
[07:09] <Madpilot> yeah - it's my native language, and the only one I speak fluently, and it's still a confusing mess
[07:10] <troy_s> going to try and compile the new gimp
[07:10] <troy_s> got inkscape on the move
[07:10] <troy_s> from cvs
[07:17] <AndyFitz> troy_s we use svn for inkscape ;-)
[07:19] <troy_s> yah
[07:19] <troy_s> its done
[07:19] <troy_s> gimp is cvs
[07:19] <troy_s> though.
[07:19] <troy_s> :)
[11:30] <lapo> hi
[01:12] <waky> hello
[01:12] <waky> =)
[02:44] <troy_s> greetings all.
[09:35] <lapo> hi
[09:58] <Who_> hi lapo
[09:58] <lapo> yo Who_
[11:06] <troy_s> greetings
[11:08] <troy_s> Who_?
[11:08] <troy_s> cyanescent?
[11:08] <cyanescent> heya
[11:08] <cyanescent> ;-)
[11:08] <troy_s> How you doing Niel?
[11:08] <cyanescent> just writing up that howto
[11:08] <cyanescent> tired... much to much work lately
[11:08] <troy_s> for speccing and such?
[11:08] <cyanescent> javol
[11:08] <troy_s> If it is for Launch, try adding it to that one I started off the root of the wiki
[11:09] <troy_s> HowToLaunchpad maybe?  Can't remember.
[11:09] <cyanescent> oh ok...
[11:09] <cyanescent> will do
[11:09] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaunchpadHowTo
[11:10] <troy_s> Who_, I added your fire texture to that main texture page.  Makes it easier to scan them all.
[11:10] <troy_s> Makes me think that perhaps we shoudl sample that Breezy wallpaper and work towards a 'mystical' feel.
[11:12] <Who_> which breezy wallpaper
[11:12] <Who_> ?
[11:12] <Who_> troy_s: yea, I saw it today, thanks
[11:12] <cyanescent> I think I have been very confused by these implementation status fields
[11:12] <Who_> that wallpaper that was made with the eft texture looks great!
[11:13] <troy_s> the breezy one with the spirals of mystic look
[11:13] <troy_s> cyanescent, you aren't the only one :)
[11:13] <cyanescent> can you enlighten me
[11:13] <Who_> hmm, I don't remember it...
[11:13] <troy_s> cyanescent, its a learning curve for everyone.
[11:13] <troy_s> cyanescent, to the best of my knowledge, unless we are solely able to implement them (such as the wiki), they are best left for approval at the summit, then we can track them 'officially'
[11:14] <troy_s> for example, it doesn't do anyone any good to have Blah pick up and start making mouse cursors -- because that would imply that the work is getting done authoritatively
[11:14] <troy_s> and without consulting and development, the resulting product will not likely be included
[11:14] <troy_s> make sense?>
[11:14] <cyanescent> there are 8 specs for the edgy final ?
[11:14] <troy_s> frank is liasing on that.
[11:14] <troy_s> as far as i know, from what i talked to mark
[11:15] <troy_s> we have exactly FOUR specs for edgy
[11:15] <troy_s> the usplash, lsplash, logon, wallpaper
[11:15] <cyanescent> yes... can see the point. But if we've got a dozen specs for all these braindumps already, then shouldn't we tell the admin about them ?
[11:15] <troy_s> now frank will probably get permission to tweak the window colours as well...
[11:15] <troy_s> well the braindumps are really for the NEXT cycle... basically everyone should get their ideas in, then when we have a new summit we have tangible stuff to consider for targetting for the next cycle... make sense?
[11:16] <troy_s> that isn't to say that we won't get a few minor specs finished, but the larger goals need to be approved.
[11:16] <troy_s> (which frank is working on)
[11:17] <cyanescent> ok, I didn't realise we needed a howto for the whole ubuntu crowd -- the url you gave me is for the root of the wiki
[11:17] <troy_s> well i just put it there for people who were interested
[11:17] <troy_s> it wasn't in particular to the artwork stuff...
[11:17] <cyanescent> k..
[11:18] <troy_s> perhaps we need to look at it and think it thru.
[11:18] <troy_s> hard to say.
[11:18] <cyanescent> whatever... should I bother with writing more specs on these braindumps in the wiki?
[11:19] <troy_s> Let the people who suggest them post them
[11:19] <troy_s> because if they can't be bothered to write up a cohesive wiki page on how to implement it with samples etc
[11:19] <troy_s> then it probably isn't worth following up on
[11:19] <troy_s> certainly add your own
[11:19] <troy_s> with good wiki entries...
[11:20] <troy_s> we have a pretty good selection that need further development too.
[11:20] <cyanescent> liked those fire things
[11:21] <cyanescent> heh
[11:21] <cyanescent> nothing like some plugin magic
[11:21] <Who_> plugins?
[11:22] <troy_s> gimp has a fyre plugin
[11:22] <troy_s> if you didn't know who
[11:22] <troy_s> it is very cool for selecting a direction
[11:22] <Who_> I didn't - I've been using fyre
[11:22] <troy_s> try it in gimp
[11:22] <troy_s> i think it is under render
[11:22] <Who_> I will :)
[11:22] <troy_s> it lets you choose what direction you want to go by clicking, instead of numbers.
[11:23] <troy_s> very cool... frank showed me
[11:23] <Who_> similar to clicking and dragging the page on fyre?
[11:23] <troy_s> i think it would be nice to try and use what fyre is doing as a sort of starting point, and evolve it into some form of more mystical feeling etc
[11:23] <troy_s> who:  better... you 'steer' the product by clicking on images that meet your liking.
[11:23] <Who_> I agree. everyone 'in the nkow' sees fyre renders and says 'oh, well, I can do that...'
[11:24] <troy_s> something about that fyre texture that might work if we use it as some sort of mystical fyreball type path...
[11:24] <Who_> yea, it also looks like the Human browser icon
[11:24] <troy_s> i agree that they look great, but we need to distinct it... which is why i was googling for african based mysticism etc.
[11:24] <troy_s> something that we could implement that is distinct, but heading in that direction
[11:25] <troy_s> further, we need to accomodate some way to get that glossy feel into the images to homogonize the look.
[11:26] <Who_> I have to say I find glossy and fire pretty much at odds
[11:26] <cyanescent> I think you should use it as simply that: a texture
[11:26] <troy_s> we have 'glossy' thus far, but we could easily add 'magical', 'mystical', 'sweeping' etc...  all useful words when you are trying to steer a group of people towards a distinct goal.
[11:26] <Who_> Did Mark say anything about nature backgrounds?
[11:26] <cyanescent> it's all great as backgrounds go... but it's very similar to the existing background
[11:26] <troy_s> Who_, yep initially that seems the case, but that's what creativity is for :)
[11:26] <troy_s> cyanescent, explain?
[11:27] <Who_> yea, cyanescent, I don't think it is very similar at all
[11:27] <troy_s> Who_, no.  but i do like the idea... osx has a good selection of animal textures etc.  perhaps there is a way to create a hybrid that is simple and yet elegant.
[11:27] <cyanescent> iwell... you could build some sort of a 3d model, with afrikan symbols, and paste the fyre texture ontop
[11:27] <Who_> (that sounded almost jeering when I read it back! sorry)
[11:27] <cyanescent> or behind... or whatever
[11:27] <troy_s> cyanescent, the existing background is sort of trying to be osx
[11:27] <troy_s> anyone good with blender?
[11:27] <Who_> troy_s: _trying_ :P
[11:27] <cyanescent> ok-ish
[11:27] <troy_s> blender might be a great way to integrate all of this sort of stuff into a good look
[11:27] <cyanescent> but my computer is crap
[11:27] <troy_s> for example
[11:27] <Who_> never used it!
[11:28] <cyanescent> better at 4dsmax
[11:28] <cyanescent> sorry3ds
[11:28] <troy_s> if we build on wiedel's complex sort of gloss -- which is sort of like the simple who_ gloss made more complicated -- we might be able to come up with some sort of interesting fresh look
[11:28] <troy_s> blender is pretty damn powerful... www.elephantsdream.org
[11:29] <cyanescent> not quite sure what the goal is for though ?
[11:29] <cyanescent> do you wnat a background ?
[11:29] <troy_s> it is to ultimately select a set of words really...
[11:29] <troy_s> for example, mark got us started by saying that he would have liked to elaborate on the glossy look of the gdm logon splash (look on the page et made as a summary)
[11:30] <troy_s> which means that our designs should somehow integrate gloss
[11:30] <troy_s> from there, we need to think of the different types of gloss -- there is simple specular (like Who's logo)
[11:30] <troy_s> complex specular (like wiedels)
[11:30] <troy_s> diffuse varied (like the vinyl chair -- meaning that some sort of varied bumps need to be established logically on a background to implment it in some way)
[11:31] <cyanescent> hmmm.... it's ok to see it this way, but ultimately icons are icons, and not textures
[11:31] <troy_s> specular varied (like hte snake skin...)
[11:31] <troy_s> icons are icons, but if you look, you will see the gloss on the home folder
[11:31] <troy_s> etc.
[11:31] <troy_s> and they all need to integrate into a cohesive whole
[11:31] <troy_s> which means that you need guiding rules to build on...
[11:32] <troy_s> i would say that Who_'s logo fits well against that icon, for example, and that is simply using the 'gloss' adjective.
[11:32] <cyanescent> yeh.. righto
[11:32] <troy_s> if we don't lay down the guideing words/ideas/motifs, then we are at that lovely point where everyone takes a dart, throws it randomly, then posts their idea.
[11:33] <troy_s> we need the more formalized structured approach to development -- guided creativity.
[11:33] <cyanescent> I will look into doing some 3d thing with the fyre stuff, and some symbology I picked up in london recently
[11:33] <troy_s> great
[11:33] <cyanescent> maybe it will look nice... maybenot
[11:33] <troy_s> if everyone can try to build on what other's have already triggered, who knows
[11:33] <cyanescent> 'k I need a kip
[11:33] <troy_s> the point is, you shouldn't worry about it looking good or not... a good artist will be able to extract the decent elements and elaborate on them.
[11:33] <troy_s> i need a nap
[11:33] <troy_s> la.f
[11:33] <cyanescent> yah
[11:34] <cyanescent> see you


[15:03] <ra> hi all
[15:04] <ra> I'd like to install the latest jdk update 17 on my ubuntu 9.10, I need maven2 but in synaptic it force me to install openjdk
[15:05] <ra> I prefer a packaging installation than manual (last solution)