[13:20] <arielCo> slacker_nl, I had to copy over the files for libc* from the Jaunty livecd. Then I was able to boot *and* run dpkg without breaking it all again. If I remember correctly that was libc6, libc6-dev, libc-i686.
[13:20] <kulight> binBASH: you have to be in the directory
[13:21] <binBASH> I get gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[13:21] <binBASH> when running apt or dpkg
[13:21] <binBASH> ;)
[13:21] <kulight> dpkg
[13:21] <ssc_> binBASH, looks like DAMN ;)
[13:21] <milaz> cybersplice: I didn't upgrade, I have a clean live USB install from latest Karmic Beta ISO. LOoks like I have to check the files...
[13:21] <slacker_nl> arielCo: yes, those are the libc6 "suite"
[13:21] <binBASH> ssc_: Indeed
[13:22] <arielCo>  !bug 446916
[13:23] <ssc_> binBASH, quite dirty but you might extract the tgz out of a deb file and unpack it to the root of the system to "reinstall" the package
[13:24] <binBASH> I think glib is totally broken up
[13:24] <binBASH> because mc for example doesn't work as well
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> binBASH: you could recompile libglib
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> apt-get source libglibc :p
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> oh wait
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> :D
[13:24] <binBASH> :p
[13:24] <Ian_Corne> sec
[13:25] <Ian_Corne> leme upload the source for you somwhere:p
[13:26] <Ian_Corne> where is source put when you apt-get source ? :p
[13:27] <ssc_> binBASH, do you have "ar" installed?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> !info ar
[13:27] <binBASH> ssc_: Yup
[13:27] <sacha_> hey there, i installed kubuntu 9.10 beta (amd64). then i did an upgrade (as soon as i installed, it suggested 177 packages). now sound doesnt work anymore
[13:27] <sacha_> sound worked after i installed tho..
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: is it muted?
[13:28] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:28] <ssc_> binBASH, get the glibc deb and try: # ar xv glib.deb
[13:29] <ssc_> binBASH, that should extract you the data.tar.gz from the deb file
[13:29] <ssc_> binBASH, than you can try to extract it to the system root
[13:31] <sacha_> not muted
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: and all sliders cranked?
[13:31] <sacha_> yeah
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> cranked to 11 ?
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> WHOA
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> :p
[13:31] <cybersplice> Dr_Willis: Nice.
[13:32] <sacha_> the volume buttons on my keyboard work (didnt when using livecd) and i cranked max on that.. and bottom right corner volume is max
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: try: killall pulseaudio; rm -rf ~/.pulse*
[13:32] <Ian_Corne> sacha_: dist-upgraded? what sound device do you use
[13:32] <milaz> slacker_nl: Dr_Willis: Looks like I have to file a bug about consoles. Can you clarify what version of Ubuntu do you run? How did you get it? Did you do an upgrade, or clean install? Did you upgrade from alpha, or from 9.04?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: then press alt+f2 and run   pulseaudio
[13:32] <Ian_Corne> sacha_: check with alsamixer
[13:32] <sacha_> i didnt dist upgrade, just 177 packages it suggested straight away
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  well i just update/upgraded.. and it wants a reboot.. let me reboot and see if i have the same issue..
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> BRB
[13:33] <sacha_> in devices it has HDA Intel (ALC262 Analog), HDA ATI HDMI and PulseAudio
[13:33] <oldude67> i had a lot of issues with pulseaudio when doing upgrades but after a clean install of beta not to bad now.
[13:33] <sacha_> it is defaulting to the intel and when i try pulseaudio it fails and goes back to the intel one
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: try the quick fix, if not you may need something more
[13:34] <sacha_> k
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> and sound works
[13:35] <sacha_> btw, pulseaudio wasnt running.. when i tried to run pulseaudio it said it wasnt installed
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Heh.. gnome desktop is now totally white/blank...
[13:35] <Ian_Corne> lol
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> no panel. no nothing
[13:35] <sacha_>  know my audio device isnt intel tho.. pretty sure it uses the ati
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> gnome-do works... and i do have window decoration
[13:35] <oldude67> heh isnt that the best gnome can be..lmao
[13:35] <sacha_> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series]
[13:36] <Ian_Corne> Dr_Willis: logout and in? :p
[13:36] <milaz> Dr_Willis: it looks like what I had after my last upgrade
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> Ian_Corne:    heh.. yep.. lets try that.. and for whoever was wondering.. Yes my consoles are buggered also.
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> multi-color-garbage on them all
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> brb
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> if i can rember how to force X to restart
[13:37] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: is pulseaudio meant to be already installed?
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: its part of a stock install
[13:38] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: Kubuntu as well?
[13:38] <binBASH> ok ssc_ now it's totally corrupt :)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> sacha_: sure
[13:38] <milaz> Dr_Willis: I had only destop with no panels too, and that made me see that consoles are absent
[13:38] <binBASH> it doesn't find any files anymore
[13:38] <slacker_nl> milaz: I run karmic, upgraded from jaunty during alpha2 phase, upgraded to beta
[13:38] <sacha_> damn, why isnt it installed in mine?
[13:38] <ssc_> binBASH, hmm than it wasn't glib ;)
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i restarted X and gnomeis working now
[13:39] <milaz> Dr_Willis: so I had to make live USB again
[13:39] <slacker_nl> milaz: and jaunty was an upgrade from hardy > intrepid, so I've seen all releases in between
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> I have funny gfx on the console... and if i hit return they do move....
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> X is working however.
[13:39] <binBASH> Ok so only reinstall possible I think
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> and X is on alt-ctrl-F9 for some reason now.
[13:39] <binBASH> if such things like ls etc. don't work anymore :)
[13:40] <milaz> Dr_Willis: how did you restarted X? CTRL+ALT+Backspace didn't work for me
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  thats OLD-skool. :)
[13:40] <Strogg_> apache2 is not working anymore after installing kolabd package
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> new leet way - alt-ctrl-sysreq-k
[13:40] <gnomefreak> milaz: it was disabled you can still use sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> It gets you more babes.. :P
[13:40] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: i installed pulseaudio and chose it as my sound device. now when i play music i get a crackling sound
[13:40] <slacker_nl> gnomefreak: on karmic that is service gdm restart ;)
[13:41] <ssc_> binBASH, do you have your old glib deb still in /var/cache/apt/archives than try to revert it the same way :)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> lol nost of us normal keyboard users dont have a sysreq key :)
[13:41] <sacha_> ActionParsnip: but wait, i chose HDA Intel as my sound device and now it works again
[13:41] <milaz> Dr_Willis: looks cool :)
[13:41] <milaz> gnomefreak: I could, if I had consoles working :)
[13:41] <gnomefreak> slacker_nl: i dont remember having to use service on karmic
[13:41] <gnomefreak> milaz: tty?
[13:42] <binBASH> ssc_: Like I said I can't execute programs anymore
[13:42] <milaz> gnomefreak: exactly
[13:42] <gnomefreak> milaz: ah
[13:42] <binBASH> -su: /usr/bin/ar: No such file or directory
[13:42] <binBASH> for example
[13:42] <binBASH> :)
[13:42]  * gnomefreak wonders what "ar" is
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> !info ar
[13:42] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: bot doesnt know files
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> ar - create, modify, and extract from archives
[13:43] <milaz> Dr_Willis: slacker_nl: do you still have /etc/event.d/tty files?
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> !man ar
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> bash: cd: /etc/event.d: No such file or directory
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  last i checked the tty configs werere in /etc/default
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> I dont even see them there now.
[13:44] <milaz> Dr_Willis: slacker_nl: then, what's the last line in /etc/init/tty1.conf ?
[13:44] <gnomefreak> i only have the tty file in my chroots
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:44] <gnomefreak> milaz: respawn
[13:44] <gnomefreak> exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:45] <sacha_> ok i have one more problem. i ran Hardware Drivers program and tried to 'activate' FGLRX driver but nothing happens (in kubuntu). in ubuntu this worked.
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty1
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> dosent clear up my console either.
[13:45] <ssc_> binBASH, that sounds bad.. maybe from rescue mode of the install cd ..
[13:45] <milaz> Dr_Willis: gnomefreak: cool. And mine was "exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty2.conf > /dev/tty2.conf 2>&1" until I fixed it
[13:45] <Cynthia> Following up on bug 446715, is it possible that a .diff.gz for a version "1.52-1" can fail to apply for /etc/init.d/laptop-mode, when the only change is the version in debian/changelog?
[13:46] <ssc_> Dr_Willis, ar is part of binutils..
[13:46] <Cynthia> I'm getting a fail, when the only change I made to the .diff.gz was to change it to "1.52-1ubuntu1"
[13:46] <milaz> Dr_Willis: now my ttys work, but it looks like there's a bug in the distribution that could affect live CDs and clean installs
[13:47]  * gnomefreak gone
[13:47] <slacker_nl> milaz: http://pb.opperschaap.net/65
[13:48] <milaz> slacker_nl: thank you
[13:48] <slacker_nl> yw
[13:48]  * milaz filling a bug about consoles now
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> You want to check to see if others have filed smiler bugs first?
[13:50] <intok> Why is 9.10 64 bit so much slower then 9.10 32 on 1Gb of ram? It's much less responsive on my A64 4000+ Geforce 6150SE 1Gb DDR2 then it is on my Sempron Throughbred-B 2400+ OCd to 2Ghz so I could get the ram from DDR333 to DDR400 and a Geforce 6200 AGP
[13:50] <sacha_> 64-bit uses more ram generally
[13:51] <intok> I have compiz disabled on both
[13:51] <sacha_> i have 4GB of RAM but kubuntu 64-bit is consistently only using 700MB of it for me
[13:51] <sacha_> i would like to enable compiz but i cant seem to get fglrx installed :(
[13:51] <Cynthia> I have 2 GB, could tone it down to 1GB with kernel params to check, but I get 11% usage (~300 MB) on Ubuntu (gnome)
[13:53] <Cynthia> it seems my problem with laptop-mode-tools is due to whitespace, I'll triple-check the whitespace
[13:53] <sacha_> my kubuntu 64-bit only using 0.5GiB of 3.8GiB now.
[13:53] <thiebaude> im using 213mb out of 2gb with firefox and xchat open
[13:54] <sacha_> by the way, with laptop tools... how do i get brightness keys working?
[13:54]  * thiebaude and 9.10 works with no problems
[13:54] <sacha_> the volume ones work fine, just not brightness... it worked so well in ubuntu i was hoping for the same in kubuntu
[13:54] <Cynthia> it must be a workaround or application in gnome
[13:55] <Cynthia> I've looked at the laptop-mode-tools change log, and there's nothing about brightness keys that I saw
[13:56] <shiznebit_> hi I need some help with jittering in pulse-audio
[13:56] <Cynthia> shiznebit_: in which application? or all applications?
[13:56] <shiznebit_> like when I play quake-live i get jitter and random echo
[13:56] <shiznebit_> hmm
[13:56] <shiznebit_> FF says its using ALSA
[13:56] <shiznebit_> now im confused
[13:56] <Cynthia> I recommend checking in e.g. Totem, Audacity
[13:57] <shiznebit_> no i don't get any effects there
[13:57] <milaz> Dr_Willis: sure, I'll check for that
[13:57] <shiznebit_> does FireFox not use pulse ?
[13:58] <Cynthia> shiznebit_: that depends on the plugin; are you vieweing Flash content or listening to streaming music on totem-mozilla?
[13:58] <intok> so I take it this isn't normal? http://pastebin.com/m1c79849f
[13:59] <Lazy_> shiznebit_: i had the same problem with audio in quake live
[13:59] <Lazy_> let me google what fixed it
[13:59] <Lazy_> http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31897
[14:00] <Cynthia> intok: things don't add up; could you run 'ps aux' too?
[14:00] <Lazy_> i think s_mixahead fixed it for me
[14:00] <debfx> how can I get rid of the "konqueror recommends installing additional software" notifier?
[14:03] <intok> Cynthia
[14:03] <intok> http://pastebin.com/m7fa9c6f3
[14:04] <intok> ...dammit... so jerky in responsiveness that it didn't take the paste and the text that went before it at the same time when I hit enter...
[14:05] <Cynthia> intok: with the clamd process and pidgin, things do add up now; you're pretty much using up all of your RAM, and clamd is using up 12.3% CPU + firefox's 42.3%. Is this on amd64?
[14:06] <Cynthia> erm, wait... 771 MB of swap used as well. now *I*'m confused
[14:07] <cybersplice> Cynthia: sounds like a memory leak somewhere.
[14:07] <Cynthia> your processes are using up near 1.5 GB of RAM excluding program text and mapped files
[14:08] <Cynthia> cybersplice: the memory leak isn't counted under any process, does this mean a memory leak in the kernel?
[14:09] <Cynthia> oh no, ha. I forget that the RES column in top/ps don't count swap
[14:09] <void^_> the problem is it's hard to tell what's taking up that swapspace
[14:09] <cybersplice> Cynthia: Could be.
[14:10] <void^_> if in doubt, blame firefox.
[14:11] <sacha_> i actually disabled swap space
[14:11] <Cynthia> sacha_: it's showing up in 'top' as 2 GB
[14:12] <sacha_> Mem:   4027184k total,  1314064k used,  2713120k free,    48096k buffers    Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   673164k cached
[14:12] <Cynthia> oh
[14:12] <Cynthia> I mixed you up with intok, sorry
[14:12] <sacha_> :0
[14:13] <void^_> with 1gb mem, having no swap is hardly an option
[14:14] <cybersplice> Cynthia: What process is it?
[14:14] <Cynthia> intok: 'ps -A v'
[14:15] <Cynthia> there will be a new column, DRS, which may be a clue
[14:15] <helix84> Hello, I installed Karmic Beta for testing and I won't get an address from DHCP on ethernet. Neither NetworkManager nor dhclient will receive a DHCPOFFER. Static configuration does work. DHCP works in Windows XP on the same computer. Any clues how I can investigate the problem?
[14:18] <intok> Cynthia http://pastebin.com/m78478048
[14:18] <luka> guyssss can someone guide how to install grub and remove grub2 from karmic??
[14:19] <milaz> helix84: you can stop network-manager and then run it in the terminal with NetworkManager --no-daemon
[14:20] <milaz> helix84: thus you will see the output with dhcp request it makes
[14:20] <binBASH> ok, thanks anyone for trying to help me
[14:20] <binBASH> I placed the harddrive now into a fedora machine to copy files over
[14:20] <cybersplice> binBASH: Was it a dead HD?
[14:20] <binBASH> bye
[14:20] <binBASH> No
[14:21] <binBASH> apt-get upgrade broke it :)
[14:21] <helix84> milaz: thanks, will try.
[14:21] <cybersplice> binBASH: Ah. Fair dues.
[14:22] <Cynthia> intok: here firefox uses<PHONE_NUMBER>00, over there it uses 1941037 460008; I have no swap usage, so that means yours has around 800 MB extra
[14:22] <binBASH> cybersplice: I am not very experienced with debian distros. Using rpm based distros since 12 years now ;)
[14:22] <Cynthia> er, 700 MB
[14:22] <Cynthia> other apps look similar to what I have here, amd64
[14:22] <cybersplice> binBASH: Fair enough. I'd suggest giving 9.04 a go until the 29th. More stable for you. Better for learning.
[14:23] <binBASH> well we have those here as well cybersplice
[14:23] <binBASH> other developers using jaunty
[14:23] <cybersplice> binBASH: Fair enough.
[14:24] <helix84> milaz: NM just uses dhclient so all I see is what I've seen when I ran dhclient manually. any other idea?
[14:26] <shiznebit_> Lazy_, are you 9.10 does your FF use ALSA or PULSE what audio chipset do you use ?
[14:26] <milaz> what do you see there?
[14:26] <Lazy_> shiznebit_: i'm not sure which audio device quake live uses
[14:27] <Lazy_> i have ubuntu 9.10 upgraded from jaunty and my audio device is sb audigy
[14:28] <Lazy_> i just tried the s_mixahead methos and it worked
[14:33] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with xsplash or gdm locking up? if i boot to recovery mode and run startx manually i can boot
[14:33] <billybigrigger> as soon as i let it try to boot normally, and go through xsplash or gdm, can't tell which locks up, it hard locks my system
[14:33] <ddg> yes same problem here :(
[14:34] <ddg> no solution yet
[14:34] <billybigrigger> ok, good its not just me
[14:34] <billybigrigger> do you know the bug number?
[14:35] <ddg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sysvinit/+bug/431812
[14:36] <r3v3r> ->Fix released?
[14:37] <ddg> i think so. but with the latest updates usplash is not working
[14:37] <billybigrigger> that's not my problem
[14:37] <billybigrigger> i'm talking about xsplash/gdm
[14:37] <billybigrigger> not usplash
[14:37] <ddg> ah ok. sorry.
[14:37] <billybigrigger> np
[14:39] <helix84> sorry, i got disconnected.
[14:39] <helix84> NM just uses dhclient so all I see is what I've seen when I ran dhclient manually. any other idea?
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> xsplash worked here.. normally
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> the consoles are broken.. but X is working
[14:44] <milaz> helix84: maybe you will use some pastebin service so we can see what's going on with your DHCP?
[14:45] <Cynthia> (copy the output of 'ifconfig -a' and 'dhclient <name of network interface>')
[14:46] <helix84> milaz: sure
[14:52] <carlosgaldino> hi, i installed karmic beta yesterday and i see one problem, every time that i open a multimedia file the computer bips a little noise, but the file is executed normally...this bip is normal because the version is beta?
[14:52] <Pici> No.
[14:53] <Leif> Do any of you know how to increase or decrease the screen brightness of an HP Pavilion DV6000?  The usual Fn+F7, or Fn+F8, don't seam to work in 9.10
[14:53] <nemo> Leif: wouldn't that be controlled by your video driver?
[14:53] <nemo> ATI/intel/nvidia?
[14:53] <Leif> intel
[14:53] <Leif> So I can't find that anywhere in the OS?
[14:54] <nemo> and F7/F8 worked in .04 ?
[14:54] <nemo> could look up what the key bindings used to call...
[14:54] <Leif> Well, I jumped from 8.04 to 9.10, but yes.
[14:54] <Leif> Also, I installed Windows 7 in between, if that would make a difference.
[14:55] <carlosgaldino> anyone?
[14:55] <carlosgaldino> hi, i installed karmic beta yesterday and i see one problem, every time that i open a multimedia file the computer bips a little noise, but the file is executed normally...this bip is normal because the version is beta?
[14:55] <milaz> carlosgaldino: I have no blips
[14:55] <Lazy_> carlosgaldino: what is your audio chip?
[14:55] <Pici> carlosgaldino: No, its not normal.
[14:55] <Lazy_> i don't have bilps either
[14:56] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Could be due to your sound hardware switching output level when the port is opened.
[14:56] <Tronic> Or possibly AV receiver switching modes when it detects S/PDIF, if that is what you are using.
[14:56] <carlosgaldino> Tronic, yeah, that's what i thought
[14:56] <Tronic> In any case, it is unlikely that this "feature" would disappear in the release.
[14:56] <luka> carlosgaldino: i hear a bip as well, i have a laptop and i see that the sound card turns off and on as any sound is played.... that might be ur problem too, i dont know
[14:56] <carlosgaldino> how can i disable this bip?
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...  Hulu Release Native Desktop App For Ubuntu
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> I find that rather amazeing.. :)
[14:57] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Send mail to ALSA mailing list.
[14:57] <mbeierl> iwl3945, 64bit 9.10 beta up to date, anyone else "lose" their ability to scan or join wireless networks after suspend to ram/resume?  It used to work in the alpha
[14:57] <carlosgaldino> luka, yeah, looks like...i have a laptop too
[14:57] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, can you use it in canada? or still just the US?
[14:57] <Tronic> carlosgaldino: Preferrably with a test case (using ALSA directly), the name of your chip, etc.
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  no idea. i just now saw it mentioned.. it was just released today
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> I dont evne know if it works on 9.10
[14:58] <luka> carlosgaldino: i think its that... it might be a kernel issue, try downloadin kernel 2.6.32 from ubuntu kernel web page and see if thats still hapening
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  i imagine with TOR you could get around that limition
[14:58] <Leif> I really can't find anything to change it in the keyboard, or keyboard shortcut preferrences, let alone even a menu bar to change it.
[14:58] <MTecknology> mac_v: bug 446582
[14:58] <carlosgaldino> luka, this is a solution?
[14:59] <Leif> But it goes dim when I unplug it, and brighter when I plug it back in, so I assume it still works, I just can't find the controls.
[14:59] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, care to share the link?
[15:00] <luka> carlosgaldino: i might be... im guessin thats possible because i see the sound card light turning red and blue everytime i play a sound... and when it goes red, off, it does a stupid sound like "tic" but its the speakers...
[15:00] <luka> carlosgaldino: try it out... when i was in jaunty i downloaded kernel 2.6.32 and everything was workin ok...
[15:01] <Pici> This sounds like a problem that a bug should be logged about.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> http://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop-linux
[15:01] <luka> carlosgaldino: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[15:01] <carlosgaldino> luka, in jaunty everything was fine, except the video card, but ok
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  the program is allready acting brain dead.. it cant 'find' the location of the libflashplayer.so file..
[15:01] <carlosgaldino> luka, the rc3?
[15:01] <luka> carlosgaldino: yeah i know what u mean, u have an intel video card? yeah rc3
[15:01] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, i installed it fine
[15:01] <billybigrigger> but again it complains only in the US can you watch it
[15:02] <milaz> Dr_Willis: probably Miro works fine with Hulu?
[15:02] <carlosgaldino> luka, yeah, its a gmax3100
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i cant say that ive eer tried miro on hulu
[15:02] <luka> carlosgaldino: same here... try that kernel out... hope it helps you, i dont really mind having that bip because its not that loud here ;)
[15:03] <Dr_Willis>  Hulu player is saying 'cant find location....' even tho i edit the .huluplayer config to point it to the right place
[15:03] <carlosgaldino> luka, how can i download all those files together? and how to update the kernel?
[15:04] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, 64bit worked great here
[15:04] <billybigrigger> it just won't let me watch :( i couldn't find anywhere to enter in a proxy or anything of the sort
[15:04] <helix84> http://pastebin.com/m74318691
[15:04] <luka> carlosgaldino: download all.deb i386.deb files, place them in ur desktop in a folder called kernel for example...
[15:05] <Dreaman> new kernel work well
[15:05] <Dreaman> :)
[15:05] <Dreaman> os[Linux 2.6.31-13-generic-pae i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.70GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 87.4% free] disk[Total: 593.5GB, 29.7% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[15:05] <Cynthia> helix84: oh dear, avahi :/ it's giving you an IPv4 link local address
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> billybigrigger:  It aint even seeing the flash plugin.. Not sure ifits a 64 or 32bit issue
[15:05] <luka> carlosgaldino: or any other place but in a folder... after uve download everything... open a terminal... cd to the folder.... cd Deskop/kernel and then... sudo dpkg -i *
[15:05] <luka> carlosgaldino: that will install everything...
[15:05] <helix84> Cynthia: yes, after DHCP doesn't respond
[15:05] <Cynthia> helix84: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=499929
[15:06] <luka> carlosgaldino: after that u can boot it from grub2 menu...
[15:06] <Cynthia> try this and report back after stopping the service (disabling it entirely if it works)
[15:06] <luka> carlosgaldino: i have to go, hope it helps!
[15:06] <carlosgaldino> and this version will be replaced?
[15:07] <zer0x> Does anyone know how I can change default sound devices in karmic? /System/Preferences/Sound no long has a 'Devices' tab?!
[15:08] <milaz> Ah, reboot is needed. Wish me a good luck :)
[15:08] <joaopinto> zer0x, try padevchooser
[15:08] <Cynthia> zer0x: same dialog, Output tab
[15:09] <joaopinto> or yes, the default dialog :P
[15:09] <Cynthia> I only have Internal Audio Analog Stereo, but it's under "Choose a device for sound output"
[15:09] <helix84> Cynthia: i ran sudo stop network-manager, sudo ifconfig eth0:avahi down, sudo stop avahi-daemon. ifconfig -a doesn't contain eth0:avahi anymore. sudo dhclient eth0 still without DHCPOFFER.
[15:10] <carlosgaldino> the kernel rc3 will be the official?
[15:11] <Cynthia> helix84: then I have no more ideas. anyone else having an idea for helix84's DHCP problem, please jump in
[15:11] <zer0x> There does not seem to be any facility to switch between pulseaudio and alsa..
[15:11] <helix84> Hello, I installed Karmic Beta for testing and I won't get an address from DHCP on ethernet. Neither NetworkManager nor dhclient will receive a DHCPOFFER. Static configuration does work. DHCP works in Windows XP on the same computer. Any clues how I can investigate the problem?
[15:11] <zer0x> Is it just me or is PulseAudio a PITA?
[15:14] <helix84> Cynthia: anyway, dhclient will bring eth0:avahi back up even though avahi-daemon is disabled. but zeroconf should not be the problem, it's a fallback for the case there's no IP from DHCP.
[15:15] <Cynthia> helix84: indeed, but I just wanted to make sure
[15:15] <helix84> Cynthia: right, won't hurt to disable things like avahi-daemon and network-manager when they only get inthe way :)
[15:16] <Cynthia> :)
[15:16] <helix84> Cynthia: I'll try wireshark
[15:17] <carlosgaldino> when the final version will released, will be easy to update from beta version?
[15:17] <Cynthia> helix84: ok; also check your router or switch's lights to see if it receives anything
[15:17] <Pici> !final | carlosgaldino
[15:17] <joaopinto> helix84, have you checked the dhcp server logs ?
[15:17] <Frickelpit> carlosgaldino: No, you have to install 5 times and walk around the Block. :-D
[15:17] <joaopinto> is your physical connection ok ?
[15:18] <helix84> joaopinto: i actually do have access to them, thanks for the reminder
[15:18] <carlosgaldino> i said this, because i always had problems when making updates
[15:18] <joaopinto> carlosgaldino, if you plan to use beta, you should be prepated for problems :P
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> when i update from intrepid to jaunty, i have to format and install all again
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> joaopinto, i'm prepared, i was using jaunty and i had more problems
[15:19] <carlosgaldino> because the intel video card
[15:20] <temporarytao> hi, can someone help me fix the problem where the screen brightness keeps going high and low?
[15:20] <carlosgaldino> now on karmic only there's only the bip problem...but only 20 days to wait, i can wait. hehe
[15:21] <carlosgaldino> whoops, wrote only twice. sorry
[15:25] <helix84> joaopinto: the  problem seems to be on ubuntu side. DHCP server does send DHCPOFFER but I don't see it on Ubuntu with wireshark (DISCOVER, REQUEST, ACK, DISCOVER, DISCOVER, DISCOVER, ...).
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. cant get huludesktop working. :(
[15:26] <helix84> joaopinto: there are no rules in iptables, default policy is allow. what else could throw away DHCPOFFER packets?
[15:28] <joaopinto> helix84, no idea, that seems to be a low lever networking problem
[15:31] <gilos123> I installed 9.10 as my first OS on 500gb drive (using 70gb partition) on my laptop and now I want to add win7 to my next partition.  Is there anything I need to do to prepare for it for grub2?
[15:31] <helix84> joaopinto: I just don't have enough data to file a bug report
[15:32] <legend2440> just installed some updates including linux-image-2.6.31-13-generic (2.6.31-13.42) and linux-headers-2.6.31-13 (2.6.31-13.42). now  ctrl+alt F1-F6  are not working. no login just some ble characters that look like Chinese letters. anyone else seen this?
[15:32] <legend2440> *blue
[15:33] <Cynthia> gilos123: installing Windows after Linux means that the boot loader is going to be overwritten. you need to take no precautions, except that your Linux partition will become inaccessible
[15:33] <Dreaman> work well
[15:34] <Dreaman> os[Linux 2.6.31-13-generic-pae i686] distro[Ubuntu "karmic" 9.10] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.35GHz] mem[Physical: 3.9GB, 80.3% free] disk[Total: 593.5GB, 29.7% free] video[ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI]
[15:34] <Dreaman> :)
[15:34] <billybigrigger> Dreaman, stop that script
[15:34] <Cynthia> you will probably have to update-grub on an Ubuntu LiveCD, so that os-prober may redetect Ubuntu and rewrite grub2
[15:34] <gilos123> Cynthia: so how will I get it back so I can boot both?
[15:34] <Cynthia> er, possibly update-grub2, I haven't done this yet
[15:35] <billybigrigger> $ sudo update-grub
[15:35] <billybigrigger> will work fine
[15:35] <gilos123> Cynthia: is grub a partition?
[15:35] <Lazy_> gilos123: it is a boot loader
[15:35] <Cynthia> grub (and grub2, in karmic) is a boot loader, it sits in the master boot record
[15:35] <gilos123> does it show up as it's own slice?
[15:35] <Cynthia> nope
[15:35] <Lazy_> gilos123: no
[15:35] <bill1> hi  there
[15:35] <kaddi> hi, pretty basic question: if I do sudo apt-get upgrade I get a couple of held back packages. Is there a way I can see why the packages are being held back?
[15:35] <gilos123> okay, because I was thinking I could tell win7 to boot the right slice.
[15:36] <Cynthia> kaddi: attempt to select them in Synaptic or aptitude
[15:36] <bill1> i  prefer  904
[15:36] <gilos123> because I want to do win7, and then solaris x86
[15:36] <Cynthia> or in Synaptic, right-click Properties on the held-back package, and look around in the window that appears; missing dependencies or Conflicts are likely to be the cause
[15:36] <bill1> i  will  wait  for  LTS
[15:37] <skwashd> i can't find anything useful using google on this ... should /tmp be erased on boot? ... jaunty, hardy and dapper all do it for me
[15:37] <kaddi> Cynthia: I'm using kde so no synaptics installed and the packagemanager from kde is a pain. Which is why I tend to use the command line for updating/upgrading :D
[15:37] <Cynthia> kaddi: ah, I see :p
[15:38] <Cynthia> uhm... aptitude then
[15:38]  * NinjaPlimsolls wakes up
[15:38] <Cynthia> try to select the package
[15:38]  * kaddi offers some coffee to NinjaPlimsolls
[15:38] <gilos123> today when I did a apt-get upgrade, had problems with ubuntusutdio-default-settings not working properly.
[15:39] <NinjaPlimsolls> thanks kaddi :D
[15:39] <Lazy_> gilos123: as billybigrigger said i think that running "sudo update-grub" after win 7 installation will be enough so that you can dual boot
[15:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> kaddi, french roast? :P
[15:40] <gilos123> thanks, will do that.
[15:40] <Lazy_> if windows entry disappears from grub but you can still boot ubuntu it will be easy to fix anyway
[15:40] <Leif> Okay, I might have found a fix for my brightness adjusting problems, what do you think?: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-your-laptops-brightness-function-keys-operating-properly-in-hardy.html
[15:40] <Lazy_> its harder the other way around :)
[15:41] <kaddi> Cynthia: it was a version upgrade in one of the libs, blocking upgrade for some photo-tools... looks fine now.
[15:41] <Leif> I know it's for 9.04, but I jumped straight from 8.04 to 9.10
[15:41] <kaddi> NinjaPlimsolls: sure, only the very best :D
[15:42] <Pici> Leif: Wait. You upgraded from 8.04 directly to 9.10?
[15:42] <cybersplice> Pici: That was brave.
[15:42] <kaddi> that doesnt sound healthy
[15:42] <NinjaPlimsolls> hi picci
[15:43] <Leif> Well, not upgraded.
[15:43] <Cynthia> Fresh reinstall of 9.10 or a forced upgrade via editing sources.list?
[15:43] <Leif> I first wiped out vista, and put 7 on it.
[15:43] <Leif> Then, I wiped out 8.04, and put 9.10 on it.
[15:43] <IdleOne> it's like going from a bycicle to a harley over night
[15:43] <Leif> lol, yes it is. :)
[15:43] <IdleOne> Leif: ahhh ok that's different
[15:43] <Leif> IdleOne: Ya, sorry.  Anyway, do you think it is relitivly safe to try?  Thanks.
[15:44] <IdleOne> try 9.10? sure
[15:44] <Leif> No, try the screen brightness fix for 9.04 on 9.10
[15:44] <arvind_khadri> hi, are the repo's down?
[15:44] <Leif> (as I currently can't change the screen brightness of my laptop with the Fn keys)
[15:45] <Pici> Leif: Have you filed a bug for the issue yet?
[15:45] <NinjaPlimsolls> is there a way to get true transparency for GNOME panels?
[15:45]  * Cynthia just got done rebuilding laptop-mode-tools 1.52-1ubuntu1, it was indeed a whitespace error in the diff
[15:45] <kaddi> Leif: can you change your brightness through settings?
[15:45] <IdleOne> Leif: worst that can happen is it wont work and you might have to fresh install. make backup files of whatever config's you edit so you can return to default if you need to
[15:45] <kaddi> arvind_khadri: they aren't for me, just did some upgrade
[15:46] <Leif> Pici: no, I wasn't sure if it was a bug, but I can do that.
[15:46] <arvind_khadri> kaddi, i cant reach them at all, might be the mirrors here
[15:46] <Leif> kaddi:  I can't find any brightness settings in the properties, but it does change when I plug and unplug the laptop
[15:46] <Leif> IdleOne:  Okay, thanks.  can do.
[15:46] <kaddi> arvind_khadri: I'm using the official german ones de.archive.ubuntu.com
[15:47] <mbeierl> Is there a new (ish) issue with losing wireless after suspend/resume?  During the alpha it was working but now when I suspend and resume I am no longer able to scan for wireless networks or use the wireless at all.
[15:47] <kaddi> Leif: you wouldn't be using kde, would you? because then I could point you to it. :p
[15:47] <Leif> kaddi:  No, sorry, gnome.
[15:48] <kaddi> Leif: but we don't have the same issue apparently, just checked, I can't modify any screen brightness, it also doesn't change when I plug/unplug the power..
[15:49] <Leif> kaddi:  okay, well, thanks anyway.
[15:50] <Mark_Milliman> Has anyone else noticed that wired Ethernet connections are slow?   I have a 100BaseT NIC and the best I can get out of it is 17 Mbit/s.
[15:51] <sparky> is there anyway in karmic to allow more than 1 gnome login from the same user? it used to be possible in jaunty and below
[15:51] <kaddi> Mark_Milliman: I certainly recall someone asking the same question a couple of days ago. But I'm using wireless and haven't notice any drops
[15:52] <Leif> Nope, it didn't work, but I may have found more of the problem.  Do any of you know if 9.10 changed the video brightness file?
[15:52] <Mark_Milliman> kaddi:  any recollection if there was a resolution?
[15:52] <Leif> from video_brightnessup.sh (and down.sh), to: videobtn.sh
[15:53] <Mark_Milliman> I've turned off IPv6 and ACPI plus changed my nslookup.
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  with the right command from the console you could spawn a 2nd X instance.. but im not sure if its doable from GDM/Gnome any more
[15:53] <Mark_Milliman> The card negotiated at 100 Mbit/s full duplex
[15:54] <sparky> oh ok :/
[15:54] <sparky> whats the command? :)
[15:54] <sparky> startx with options?
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  somthing silmier to startx -- :1
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> I think
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> note the 2 dashes
[15:54] <kaddi> Mark_Milliman: no, sorry.
[15:54] <Mark_Milliman> I can't believe we are still living with X windows!
[15:55] <sparky> ;o
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> write a replacement then.. :)
[15:55] <Mark_Milliman> I first encountered X windows in '86
[15:55] <Mark_Milliman> Apple did
[15:55] <Martyn> urk
[15:55] <Martyn> latest update broke boot for me.   Crappola
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> Palm did too
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> Martyn:  broke the consoles for me..
[15:56] <Martyn> yep,s ame
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> I just want faster Internet and Ethernet.
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> cant get huludesktop for linux working either. :(
[15:56] <Mark_Milliman> Can't watch video at these slow rates
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> Move the pc's down to the lowest point in the house.. data travels faster downhill......
[15:57] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> The only conclusion I have come to is the b44 driver
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> Dr_Willis LOL
[15:57] <cybersplice> Data travels fastest on the way to the recycle bin.
[15:57] <cybersplice> FTL = truth.
[15:57] <sparky> Dr_Willis: that starts an xsession using my default window manager, is there a way to make a diff window manager (xbmc) start instead on the new session?
[15:57] <Mark_Milliman> or to /dev/null
[15:57] <Cynthia> cybersplice: no, /dev/null ;)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> data travel fastest whenb ya do rm data by mistake :)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  edit the .xinitrc or .Xsession
[15:58] <Mark_Milliman> I have a 50+ Mbit/s internet connection and I would like to use it.
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  you asked how to make it run a 2nd gnome session. :)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  and xbmc is NOT a window manager.. its just an app.
[15:58] <sparky> hmm, it can run as a window manager?
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> sparky:  you might want to install icewm, and have the .xinitrc (or .Xsession read)
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> xbmc &
[15:58] <Dr_Willis> exec icewm
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> it can run without a window manager... but its not a window manager. :)
[15:59] <sparky> ah ok
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> no wm = hope no dialogs or stuff pop up, or other windows and goofes things up
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> flwm, or jwm, or fluxbox, may also be better for you then icewm.
[16:00] <Leif> Okay, I found this: KEY_BRIGHTNESSDOWN=224 KEY_BRIGHTNESSUP=225 KEY_MEDIA=226 KEY_VIDEOOUT=227
[16:01] <Leif> can any of you tell me where i can find out what keys 224, and 225 are?
[16:01] <Leif> thanks
[16:02] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: I'll test pushing a data file through Apache over Ethernet here and report on the results
[16:02] <sparky> Dr_Willis: thanks
[16:03] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks.  I'd appreciate it.  What is the speed of your NIC?
[16:03] <Cynthia> 100 mbit
[16:04] <Cynthia> actually, 100 mbit throughout, because the router, sender and receiver would all be 100 mbit
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, then we are apples to apples. My GigE card hauls down up to 70 Mbit/s with speedtest.net and about 250 Mbit/s on the LAN.
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> ...with Vista
[16:04] <mbeierl> Say, anyone using Thunderbird instead of Evo here?  Is there a way to get the little notification mail icon to display thunderbird instead of evo?
[16:04] <joaopinto> Leif, check https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LaptopTesting/Keycodes
[16:04] <Mark_Milliman> I can't let Vista beat Ubuntu.
[16:04] <Leif> Also, I just found the brightness changer bar in gnome, and it works.
[16:04] <Leif> joaopinto: thanks
[16:05] <Cynthia> also Mark_Milliman: there was something really weird about my previous router, it would send at 14 Mbit even though it was a 100 Mbit router. (If it was 10 Mbit, I wouldn't have seen 14, obviously)
[16:05] <joaopinto> Leif, I know there was a change on karmic related to special keys handling, there was a call for test it
[16:05] <Cynthia> turns out there was insufficient buffer memory for routing
[16:05] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, not good
[16:05] <Mark_Milliman> I really wish I had an Ethernet switch instead of this hub/router.
[16:06] <joaopinto> Leif, :
[16:06] <joaopinto> Ubuntu 9.10 Beta's underlying technology for power management, laptop hotkeys, and handling of storage devices and cameras maps has moved from "hal" (which is in the process of being deprecated) to "DeviceKit-power", "DeviceKit-disks" and "udev". When testing Ubuntu 9.10 Beta, please be alert for regressions in those areas and report any bugs you find.
[16:06] <Cynthia> but since this one is a wireless router, and wireless routing pretty much demands high buffer memory, this one is better at doing wired routing as well
[16:07] <kaddi> joaopinto: is this alreday true for the 2.6.30 kernel? I had a regression when I upgraded jaunty to 2.6.30. The problem persists in karmic
[16:07] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, my Ubuntu laptop gets the same 15-17 Mbit/s performance on Wi-Fi which is what I would expect with encryption.
[16:08] <Mark_Milliman> I actually would expect performance around 40-50 Mbit/s on my wired connection.
[16:08] <joaopinto> kaddi, you are not expected to use 2.6.30 with jaunty
[16:08] <kaddi> joaopinto: I had to, my intel graphics card wouldn't let me use jaunty at all otherwise.
[16:10] <Leif> joaopinto:  Okay, I will do that.  Also, it appears that none of the Fn keys actually have a key code.
[16:10] <joaopinto> kaddi, so expect other problems ;)
[16:11] <duffydack> mmm, karmic unr is so nice.
[16:12] <Leif> Interesting, except the brightness up, and brightness down keys xev won't even respond to them.
[16:13] <Mark_Milliman> brb, rebooting after a kernel rebuild
[16:13] <wirechief_> duffydack do you have ubuntu karmic remix 9.10 ? I was having issues with it installing, perhaps they have fixed it.
[16:14] <Leif> Right well, I need to go to class now, but again, thank you for all of you help.
[16:14] <void^_> Leif, you don't get key events with fn keys usually. on most laptops they produce acpi events.
[16:14] <kaddi> joaopinto: I'm using karmic now, with the default kernel. Question is: Do I file a bugreport because brightness cant be changed in karmic or do I update the one I made for kernel 2.6.30
[16:14] <duffydack> wirechief_, karmic remix yes..
[16:15] <joaopinto> kaddi, does the brightness applet works ?
[16:15] <duffydack> wirechief_, beta.  not an img anymore so used usb creator.
[16:15] <kaddi> joaopinto: no. It also doesn't change brightness when I unlplug the powersupply
[16:15] <duffydack> brb
[16:15] <wirechief_> duffydack ok, was wondering the date of your .iso , mine was Oct 7th
[16:15] <joaopinto> ok, yes, you should file a bug report, not sure what would be the correct package
[16:16] <joaopinto> kaddi, try asking at #ubuntu-bugs
[16:20] <Mark_Milliman> I'm back
[16:20] <hggdh> kaddi: update the bug you already have open for the brightness
[16:21] <kaddi> hggdh: ok
[16:22] <hggdh> kaddi: if you can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description, this would be good
[16:23] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: GNOME System Monitor reports my Ethernet speed as a constant 11.1 megabytes/sec, with some bursts above and below.
[16:23] <Cynthia> That would be about 90 megabit
[16:24] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks.  Let me test again.
[16:24] <Cynthia> my test is a 16 GiB file full of zeroes made with the dd tool, and a symbolic link to that file from /var/www
[16:25] <Cynthia> ubuntu karmic/apache is the sender, windows/opera is the receiver
[16:25] <helix84> booting Windows XP and then back to Ubuntu seems to solve my issue... I will see how long this will last. In case anyone wondered, the NIC was Marvel Yukon 88E8055 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 14)
[16:27] <NinjaPlimsolls> hurro
[16:27]  * NinjaPlimsolls sips his strongbow
[16:28] <wirechief_> This is really cool:  http://unixlab.blogspot.com/2009/10/downloading-ubuntu-910-beta-with-zsync.html seems to work good...
[16:31] <kaddi> NinjaPlimsolls: weren't you drinking coffee just a minute ago? :p
[16:32] <Cynthia> Mark_Milliman: oh, and I didn't see that there are a whopping 250 KB per second of TCP ACKs for this transfer, so add another 2 megabit to my 90
[16:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> kaddi, I finished off the coffee and moved onto the cider! wee
[16:33] <kaddi> hehe, nice :D
[16:33] <NinjaPlimsolls> and then im having a chinese takeaway later
[16:34] <NinjaPlimsolls> mmmmm king prawn chow mein!
[16:34] <bigdog> beta question
[16:34] <bigdog> I installed 9.10 server , cloud
[16:34] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, I just saw a burst to 50 Mbit/s but my sustaining rate is around 16-18 Mbit/s.
[16:34] <carlosgaldino> do you have a problem with totem? sometimes when i open a video file the programa frozes and stay black he focus
[16:34] <bigdog> not problems
[16:34] <bigdog> I did an apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[16:35] <bigdog> and there were many packages that would not install
[16:35] <Cynthia> carlosgaldino: totem hangs are a very known bug at this moment, let me search launchpad
[16:35] <bigdog> should this be expected behaviour?
[16:35] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, I still believe that my performance is a bit lower than it should be.
[16:36] <Martyn> bigdog : No, that's bad
[16:36] <carlosgaldino> Cynthia, ok
[16:36] <Martyn> bigdog : It means that we have some reccomends that should probably be full dependencies on packages
[16:36] <carlosgaldino> Cynthia, i'll wait
[16:36] <NinjaPlimsolls> right cya later all, back in a bit
[16:37] <abhinav> hi .. is there a ppa available for earlier versions of eclipse on karmic ?
[16:38] <abhinav> was trying to install subclipse on the latest (galileo) but faced some issues
[16:38] <Cynthia> carlosgaldino: bugs 438859, 432191, 440959
[16:39] <Cynthia> didn't know this would work, I thought it would just say one
[16:39] <Cynthia> many more on launchpad, just search for "totem UI unresponsive", "totem hang", "totem freeze" in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:40] <Mark_Milliman> Cynthia, thanks for your validation.  I'll have to keep hunting for the problem.
[16:40] <kulight> איך אני יודע מה ?
[16:40] <kulight> טלפתיה
[16:40] <Cynthia> abhinav: ganymede is likely to be in the jaunty repositories, add a jaunty repository line to your sources.list
[16:40] <abhinav> would like to install a stable eclipse 3.4.2
[16:41] <Cynthia> alternatively, it's going to be a download on eclipse.org; you'll have to install it yourself if it isn't
[16:41] <alankila> I had bad experience with karmic's eclipse 3.5.1. Java content assist is broken on that one, so I can't recommend using it.
[16:41] <Cynthia> there have been package dependency problems with ganymede, and galileo is still undergoing packaging bugs
[16:41] <Cynthia> (in karmic)
[16:41] <alankila> the eclipse 3.4.2 was in karmic not long ago, though.
[16:42] <abhinav> Cynthia: tried a download from eclipse.org, there were some issues (probably dependencies/runtime)
[16:42] <abhinav> and different reasons for failures on 3.5.x, as you mentioned
[16:43] <abhinav> let me try jaunty as you mention ..thanks !
[16:43] <Cynthia> kulight: אנחנו לא מדברים עברית כאן
[16:43] <Cynthia> ('We do not speak Hebrew here', auto translation)
[16:43] <Pici> !il | kulight
[16:43] <bigdog> here is a paste from  apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  on 9.10 beta server cloud  http://pastesite.com/10937
[16:44] <Cynthia> aha, thanks Pici :D
[16:44] <kulight> sorry wrong window Cynthia Pici
[16:44] <Cynthia> no worries
[16:44] <Pici> Its okay :)
[16:46] <IdleOne> il is Israel?
[16:47] <Cynthia> I wonder how much data this machine could push per second if it had a GigE card, apache+kernel CPU usage are below 4%; ironically, gnome system monitor is tying up more CPU time than that
[16:47] <Cynthia> IdleOne: yes :)
[16:48] <alankila> gnome-system-monitor is awesome, like 15 % cpu drain here all due to unaccelerated composing with cairo line drawing and background image
[16:48] <alankila> I read the source to that thing at some point when I stared incredulously at how heavy it was
[16:48] <DanaG> hmm, is it possible to get ubuntu to boot with main console "quiet" but yet verbose on ttyS0?
[16:48] <Cynthia> alankila: 10 to 15% usage here too
[16:49] <alankila> Ironically it would probably be a lot faster if it didn't try to compose the line on top of pre-existing background but just rather drawed everything anew every frame
[16:49] <alankila> draw? drew? How did these verb tenses go...
[16:49] <Cynthia> alankila: drew, it's an irregular verb, and those are lame :P
[16:49] <Cynthia> though French has even more
[16:50] <alankila> right, it struck me that "drawed" looked odd for some reason
[16:51] <IdleOne> alankila: Drew is also a proper name. English is beautiful
[16:51] <alankila> anyway, I have a java application that renders about 5000 lines per frame and it's faster than gnome-system-monitor. :-/
[16:51] <alankila> that's how ridiculously slow it is.
[16:51] <Cynthia> lol :(
[16:52] <IdleOne> buy, by,bi,bye all pronounced the same. I prefer latin languages
[16:53] <alankila> IdleOne: you should see Finnish, we have identical writeouts of words that have completely different meanings, like "tapettiin" that means "was killed" or "to tapestry"
[16:53] <IdleOne> alankila: lol
[16:54] <alankila> Pathetic, really... We have very long words and regardless there are collisions
[16:54] <Cynthia> alankila: you guys should use md5 :)
[16:55] <Cynthia> md5($word . $type) where $type is either 'verb', 'noun', 'adjective' or 'adverb'
[16:56] <IdleOne> I speak 4 languages, words to me are like candy. I can't write to save my life but my thing is the sound more so then writing.
[16:57] <IdleOne> Cynthia: wouldn't that require an md5 for every word in a sentence?
[16:57] <Cynthia> IdleOne: only the ambiguous ones
[16:57] <IdleOne> Cynthia: all the words would be ambiguous to someone who doesn't speak your language
[16:58] <alankila> Cynthia: actually, that would work. Knowing what the base word type was would be enough to disambiguate... the problem really is that verbs have suffixes that are shared with nouns, partially, breeding the collisions.
[16:58] <Cynthia> alankila: those are the worst suffixes
[16:59] <alankila> so the imperfect looks like "-tiin" and the, err, illative, looks like "-in", so when the noun ends with "ti" it suddenly looks like a verb.
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> No Hablo
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[16:59] <IdleOne> Yo tan poco
[17:00] <Cynthia> mi también, un poco ('me as well, a bit')
[17:00] <Pici> !offtopic
[17:00]  * Cynthia nods
[17:00] <IdleOne> why can't everybody just speak the natural language of the human being, English.
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> Googlish
[17:00] <IdleOne> :P
[17:00] <Cynthia> so I haven't updated my beta since yesterday; there are reports of total breakage with some drivers, shall I check for new packages?
[17:00] <IdleOne> Pici: this could convo could lead into a whole new project for ubuntu
[17:01] <IdleOne> -could
[17:01] <IdleOne> errr
[17:01] <IdleOne> ok i'll stop now
[17:01] <Cynthia> this conversation could be construed as mildly relevant for ubuntu i18n :)
[17:02] <Cynthia> regardless, ouch, 136 updates
[17:04] <void^_> any known issues with via ide controller drivers, perchance?
[17:08] <preetam> hai has anybody tried the beta version of ubuntu 9.10
[17:09] <mac_v> preetam: is that a trick question ;)
[17:09] <Cynthia> preetam: this channel is pretty much full of Ubuntu developers and karmic testers :p
[17:09] <abhinav> Is suspend and hibernate broken in karmic for all laptops ? It is for for lenovo t61
[17:09] <Cynthia> abhinav: hibernate is broken even for my desktop
[17:09] <Tronic> abhinav: STR works fine on my laptop.
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> THey worked on my laptop last i tried those..
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> but i rarely use the feature
[17:09] <Tronic> Hibernate doesn't because I don't have swap partition.
[17:09] <mac_v> abhinav: it works for some  , some it doesnt , you need to report the bug :)
[17:10] <mac_v> works for me though
[17:10] <kaddi> Hi I'm having a problem with thunderbird and was wondering if you could help. About 3 weeks ago thunderbird stopped opening links in mails, I believe this might be the same time I upgraded. I have set thunderbird to the default mail-client and did add the network.app-handler.http to firefox, but that didn't help. Any other suggestions how to get my links to open again?
[17:10] <preetam> hai how is ubuntu 9.10..
[17:10] <preetam> the feature the boot time
[17:10] <slacker_nl> preetam: doing fine
[17:11] <mac_v> preetam: my boot is 30sec lesser than it was in jaunty ;)
[17:11] <preetam> have anybody checked the ubuntu 9.10 with nvidia display driver
[17:12] <G_A_C> can anyone tell me the best way to report this problem; sometimes when I leave my laptop for too long and the screen goes to sleep, I can't wake the laptop up. I press a key and nothing happens, I know the laptop is locked up because I can see things like IRC timeouts. The only solution is a hard reboot, but then I can't run apport or similar to get the bug report started. What's the best way to report the bug?
[17:12] <preetam> hai mac_v if that is the case with u then what about my Dell laptop it is already booting in 26 second in jaunty
[17:13] <mac_v> preetam: wont boot ;p
[17:13] <shiznebit_> might boot before you press the button
[17:15] <preetam> yeah..so ubuntu 9.10 will be going head on with windows 7 in next few days
[17:15] <mac_v> preetam: oh , the time for me was till the user session.. but 26 secs is awesome
[17:15] <mac_v> kaddi: the links work fine here... whats happens when you click the link?
[17:15] <mac_v> with thunderbird*
[17:15] <kaddi> mac_v: nothing, saddly
[17:17] <alankila> I wish karmic booted even faster than it does... 26 seconds is still a long time to wait for login screen. Does anyone have confirmation about boot performance on SSD?
[17:17] <preetam> yeah mac i realized  a significant booting time difference when i upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  oh the humanity of it all.. 23 whole secs... :)
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> sdd would proberly be a little faster.
[17:17] <alankila> The talk was about something of the order of 10 second boot
[17:17] <alankila> I was just wondering if it's really achieved by some configuration
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  i will belive it when i see it.
[17:19] <kaddi> I get the login screen after a couple of seconds, might be a little more than ten... much quicker then with jaunty, but loading kde now takes much longer
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> kaddi:  yep. :) the actual window manager takes longer here also
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> My Grub DELAY is longer then the time it takes the os to boot
[17:19] <alankila> but anyway, at this point my bios startup sequence seems to take about as long as getting into GDM, so it's no longer a minute-long ordeal like it used to be at least.
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> a whole minute. :) heh...
[17:20]  * Dr_Willis is an old timer and thinks people are getting spoiled.
[17:20] <kaddi> kik
[17:20] <kaddi> lol
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> i rember taking HOURS to backup cp/m disks ....
[17:20] <alankila> well, I'm an old timer as well. The computers I used to have used to work in a few seconds after you turn the power on button.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> My C64 booted up very fast. :)
[17:21] <alankila> computers today are a hundred times faster, and correspondingly the OSes they run must be a thousand times more complex. Sort of computes, even.
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> My Amiga would boot.. copy the boot flopy to the RAD: disk. then reboot from the rad (a kind of ram) disk.. :)
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> 100 times? :) i think it may be 10-1000x more then that.
[17:22] <alankila> I'm not sure, exactly. It of course depends on what you take as the starting point. But again, the lure of off-topic argument.
[17:22] <jemark> any tried the latest kernel update?
[17:23] <Cynthia> jemark: Update Manager is downloading it here, it will be installed soon
[17:24] <jemark> Cynthia, cool
[17:24] <jemark> Cynthia, i installed it and works great
[17:25] <jemark> Cynthia, my bootscreen is not getting error messages anymore
[17:25] <h00k> Mine isn't either, regarding USB devices.
[17:26] <dell_> hello all i am having a probelm configureing xorg
[17:26] <billybigrigger> anyone here having xsplash/gdm lockup problems?
[17:26] <dell_> it seems karmic doesnt have it by default what is the command to create the xorg
[17:26] <billybigrigger> i can boot to recovery mode, and run startx, bypassing gdm, and no problems, if i boot normally, xsplash/gdm hard locks, i can't tell which one it is though
[17:27] <alankila> billybigrigger: try booting with nosplash option, but otherwise boot normally.
[17:27] <Cynthia> dell_: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:27] <billybigrigger> dell_, run Xorg -configure as root, and then it will dump an xorg.conf in /root copy it to /etc/X11/
[17:27] <alankila> I used to have usplash crashing geforce 8800 a year ago or so
[17:28] <billybigrigger> alankila, no, i'm talking xsplash, not usplash
[17:28] <billybigrigger> usplash doesn't even work for me
[17:28] <sako> hey all, I am having some weird issues with ubuntu not starting up after logging in... and also sometimes freezes before it properly shuts down on the ubuntu screen
[17:28] <alankila> oh... um, right
[17:28] <sako> any logs I can check?
[17:28] <dell_> the commands wont work because there is no xorg file yet
[17:29] <billybigrigger> dell_, i told you what you need to do
[17:29] <alankila> billybigrigger: still, you might try my suggestion.
[17:29] <alankila> my system has both usplash and xsplash installed.
[17:29] <billybigrigger> alankila, booting with nosplash disables usplash iirc
[17:29] <dell_> thank billy
[17:30] <billybigrigger> not xsplash
[17:30] <alankila> can you just try uninstalling xsplash, or start gdm from recovery mode with service gdm start?
[17:31] <alankila> that way you might find out which crashes it... assuming xsplash is not started by gdm actually
[17:31] <alankila> hmm... xsplash *is* started by gdm, it seems
[17:32] <dell_> Billy i keep getting a file not found error. Command i am using is kdesudo Xorg -configure
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> alankila:  yes it is..
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> the gdm configs  launch/check for xsplash
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> the things we go through to have a pretty boot up...
[17:32] <alankila> so uninstalling it has to be, then.
[17:32] <Dr_Willis> you could edit the gdm configs. :)
[17:32] <alankila> I think the pretty bootup is a disservice because it tends to hide errors behind the graphics.
[17:33] <billybigrigger> brb
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> yep. but thats the focus now a days.. 'stupid-user friendly' :)
[17:33] <alankila> Maybe that's been fixed since, but all early splashes just made sure that less people noticed any errors and thus worsened release quality, most likely.
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, $ sudo /bin/bash
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, then Xorg -configure
[17:33] <billybigrigger> dell_, helps with a root shell, not sudo'd
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> Err...  sudo -s, not sudo /bin/bash i think is more proper
[17:34] <billybigrigger> Dr_Willis, sure :P
[17:34] <danlii> I can't start Thunderbird under karmic amd64, i get "libstdc++.so.5: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" - any solutions?
[17:35] <dell_> thanks billy
[17:35] <billybigrigger> dell_, np
[17:36] <billybigrigger> ok lets try this again
[17:36] <billybigrigger> brb
[17:36] <sako> hey all, I am having some weird issues with ubuntu not starting up after logging in... and also sometimes freezes before it properly shuts down on the ubuntu screen
[17:36] <sako> the problems are very inconsistent, so I don't reall know what to look for.. or if there is anything I can do..
[17:38] <alankila> sako: you could check /var/log/messages after a crash to see if there's anything useful in there... or disable splashes as far as possible to perhaps see something written on screen instead of the graphics...
[17:40] <alankila> and you could try to press ctrl+alt+f1 to get a virtual console to log in, if you can't get into gnome/kde, or try a failsafe session that probably only gets you an xterm
[17:41] <alankila> there's also .xsession-errors in your home directory that can have a clue if starting your desktop doesn't work. Unfortunately, GNOME today is so complex that when it doesn't start for some reason it's practically undebugable.
[17:44] <MTecknology> I just installed koffice - but koffice isn't available.. :S
[17:45] <MTecknology> I guess I need to figure out what each one needs to be called as..
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> test with a newly made user - if gnome starts for them.. then it could be some setting in the problem users gnome settings
[17:46] <billybigrigger> anyone had any problems with the dailies? i'm going to go ahead with a clean install
[17:47] <billybigrigger> too much messing around since A2 :P i was going to wait until release, but beta is close enough
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> i always seem to play with the beta.. then do a clean reinstall about a month After the release..
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> that way they fixed all the issues  they find  in the first few weeks
[17:48] <alankila> I virtually never reinstall... but truth is, ubuntu has made reinstalling such a cheap operation -- virtually no configuration necessary -- that it's nowadays not so bad as an idea
[17:49] <nemo> BTW, does anyone know why nvidia + compiz = pulseaudio thrashing?
[17:49] <nemo> I'm really quite puzzled what that could be
[17:49] <nemo> if I stick to metacity or nv I can use SDL + pulseaudio w/ only minor loss of quality and occasional lockups
[17:49] <nemo> (that's downright stable for pulseaudio)
[17:49] <alankila> I remember when it took a day to set up debian linux the way you wanted it to be, and that was after you already knew what you needed.
[17:49] <nemo> as soon as I enable nvidia + compiz, I get 100% cpu usage on one or both cores and rapid degrading into lockups
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> windows still takes me 3 days alankila
[17:50] <alankila> nemo: I run nvidia, compiz and pulseaudio without such an issue here.
[17:50] <noren> hello all, when is the new release date
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> I got a few scripts i wrote for my ubuntu setups to set things up how i like them. :)
[17:50] <nemo> alankila: mm. and what sound card?
[17:50] <alankila> perhaps you could install oprofile and use the daemon to find out which part is spinning the CPU
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> !release | noren
[17:50] <alankila> nemo: audigy 2 zs
[17:50] <nemo> alankila: well. the CPU spinning I oprofiled in the past
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: ah. that's no good. pulseaudio works ok on good sound cards
[17:51] <nemo> it is the crappy ones everyone has that it fails hard on
[17:51] <nemo> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[17:51] <nemo> in my case
[17:51] <alankila> heh, the first time I heard a soundblaster called "good card".
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: lol. back in the day it was standard recommendation for linux
[17:51] <nemo> alankila: back when sound dæmons sucked hard - there was relatively good driver support, and the HW mixing was decent
[17:52] <alankila> I mean, audigy has excellent sound quality but their linux support sucked, their PCI behavior was unfriendly and crashed machines, and there was Live! which was atrocious in almost every way.
[17:52] <nemo> so at least you could avoid device locks
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. mny audigy2zs worked good for me for many a ages...
[17:52] <nemo> alankila: 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 05)
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> I gave up on them after the xi-fi stuff.
[17:52] <nemo> alankila: I'm still using that on my server, I installed it because the built-in sound sucked so hard
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> and i dont have any spare slots in this pc.
[17:52] <engie> 'afternoon. Is base-installer the name of the installer that you use after booting from a live CD? I'm looking to file a bug against it.
[17:52] <nemo> which was the ever-hated AC97
[17:52] <nemo> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 10)
[17:53] <alankila> yes, I have a 823x based system, and I remember that the sound was seriously distorted and there were some random options for the kernel module to try and I tried them all and none fixed it :-p
[17:53] <nemo> alankila: aaanyway, you're unlikely to have problems w/ any sound dæmon, much less pulseaudio
[17:53] <alankila> but that must have been close to 5 years ago
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Its pretty inpressive the features onboard sound has  these days.. compared th 5+ yrs ago. :)
[17:54] <nemo> so. guess I need someone else who uses intel snd + nvidia gfx + compiz - which is not that uncommon
[17:54] <alankila> nemo: yes... I have intel sound on laptop but that's a radeon system
[17:54] <nemo> alankila: hm. mind trying an SDL game like Hedgewars 0.9.11 ? curious if you'll run into the same
[17:54] <alankila> just a guess: can you modify the pulse daemon's fragment size to be considerably larger than the default which was something like 10 ms? Try 100 ms.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> nvidia video and Nvidia MCP61 sound here.
[17:54] <nemo> alankila: just point and click at a package :)
[17:55] <nemo> alankila: ugh. back to dæmon tuning
[17:55] <alankila> default-fragment-size-msec = 10 is really not workable for many hardware where minimum fragment size is in the order of 1024 frames
[17:55] <nemo> but seriously. why on earth would that cause thrashing and crashing?
[17:55] <nemo> it should just cause distorted sound
[17:55] <nemo> unless something is seriously badly written
[17:55] <alankila> yes, well, you have me there
[17:56] <nemo> http://www.getdeb.net/app/Hedgewars <- mind trying that on your ati/intel/compiz ?
[17:56] <nemo> just start quick game
[17:56] <nemo> and leave it running for a bit
[17:56] <nemo> maybe tab back and forth once or twice
[17:56] <darthanubis> anyone with a Nvidia card care to try something out for me?
[17:56] <nemo> (that seems to speed up its inevitable death)
[17:56] <alankila> so it's pulseaudio that uses all the CPU, then? I just guess that it ends up in some ugly recovery loop attempting to get the audio back on track, perhaps.
[17:56] <darthanubis> please?
[17:56] <alankila> nemo: ok, booting that thing up then
[17:56] <nemo> alankila: CPU usage claims to be entirely in the SDL game
[17:56] <nemo> this happens to me w/ Wesnoth too BTW
[17:57] <nemo> alankila: I also sometimes get, w/ pulseaudio, 100% CPU usage in the Qt frontend, which also uses SDL
[17:57] <nemo> that claimed to be in the main Qt polling loop
[17:57] <nemo> although I eventually worked out it was the SDL calls
[17:57] <nemo> alankila: annoyingly I still get lockups w/ pulseaudio and 0.9.12-dev which is using openal
[17:57] <nemo> so I can't say SDL's dubious sound support is at fault
[17:58] <alankila> so you have libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[17:58]  * nemo looks
[17:58] <nemo> I did install that I think
[17:58] <nemo> just need to verify
[17:58] <nemo> maybe got wiped in the upgrade
[17:58] <alankila> I don't know if openal talks directly to alsa... it has a configuration file of some sort which uses lispish syntax
[17:58] <nemo> (jaunty had pulse problems too, slightly less bad)
[17:59] <alankila> it seems that openal doesn't depend on anything that looks like audio output, so I guess it just does software mixing of sorts.
[17:59] <nemo> The following packages will be REMOVED: libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[17:59] <nemo> The following NEW packages will be installed: libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
[18:00] <nemo> hmmm :)
[18:00] <nemo> worth testing *that*
[18:00] <alankila> okay, good luck
[18:00] <nemo> I did try that in jaunty, honest :D
[18:00] <nemo> maybe that's why it got worse
[18:00] <nemo> I think that installing that is in the recommendations for Ubuntu users in one of the forums
[18:01] <dell_> hello all
[18:01] <alankila> I'll just use the repository package for hedgewars, that's ok?
[18:01] <nemo> alankila: nope
[18:01] <nemo> not-ok
[18:01] <dell_> is billy still in the room?
[18:01] <alankila> aha
[18:01] <nemo> alankila: that's why I linked you :D
[18:01] <nemo> repository is hopelessly out-of-date
[18:01] <nemo> hmm
[18:01] <nemo> or at least it *was*
[18:02] <nemo> alankila: repo is still on like 0.9.7 right?
[18:02] <nemo> which is from mid-2008
[18:02] <alankila> no, the version is 0.9.11-5
[18:02] <dell_> here is my issue, perhaps someone can help am dealing with a table on kubuntu karmic (of course) and i need to create the xorg file so i can edit it. as Karmic doesnt have one by default what command(s) do i need to do
[18:03] <alankila> since that's the latest on the getdeb, I'm going to go against you and just use the repo version.
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: lol.
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: you're right there. sorry. I clearly haven't kept up
[18:03] <nemo> alankila: I'm just so used to Jaunty users coming by and asking "where are all the players" (lobby is filtered by version)
[18:04] <nemo> -5 suggests they probably added the get-deb patch too. I'll have to look.
[18:05]  * alankila wonders why the openjdk's pulse output doesn't work
[18:07] <alankila> I have working audio on my system at the title screen
[18:07] <nemo> alankila: click on quick game
[18:07] <nemo> should spawn game menu
[18:08] <nemo> er
[18:08] <nemo> game screen
[18:08] <nemo> then try alt-tab out of game screen once or twice
[18:08] <alankila> yes, ... totally broken game screen at least...
[18:08] <nemo> sound might stutter
[18:08] <nemo> woah
[18:08] <nemo> broken game screen?
[18:08] <jonLappy> whoa, at boot up right after grub my screen turns in to a bunch of small lines spaced apart evenly and they seem to "sparkle" randomly. Known bug?
[18:09] <nemo> alankila: like a black screen? 'cause that does happen in compiz for wimpy cards I've found - not the sound issue of course
[18:09] <alankila> hedgewars at 100% cpu usage afterwards and I never even saw any game graphics
[18:09] <nemo> ohhh
[18:09] <nemo> interesting
[18:09] <nemo> that's dramatic. but along the lines of what has been frustrating me
[18:09] <alankila> just gray screen and the underlying windows flashin their contents on top of it before being overwritten again.
[18:09] <nemo> alankila: killall pulseaudio recovers it?
[18:09] <nemo> yow
[18:09] <nemo> that's horrible
[18:09] <alankila> correct, that put hedgewars back to normal
[18:09] <nemo> lovely
[18:09] <Amaranth> ok, I'll install hedgewars...
[18:10] <nemo> alankila: so. in such a case I suggest to users.  "disable sound/music"
[18:10] <nemo> that avoids initialising SDL
[18:10] <Amaranth> nemo: got a bug number?
[18:10] <nemo> and then we all join in a round of cursing pulseaudio
[18:10] <nemo> and life goes on
[18:10] <nemo> some uninstall pulse - that works too
[18:10] <nemo> Amaranth: there are so many pulseaudio bugs. I've subscribed to many
[18:10] <Elone> hi, what file format is .lz?
[18:10] <nemo> haven't filed any
[18:10] <nemo> well
[18:10] <nemo> not recently
[18:11] <nemo> Amaranth: there are some SDL ones even
[18:11] <nemo> lemme see if I can find you one
[18:11] <nemo> I think the one I ran into was Wesnoth related
[18:11] <Amaranth> Elone: lzma
[18:11] <nemo> Wesnoth also blows up on my machine in pulseaudio
[18:11] <alankila> well, the fact that not even graphics works was something I sort of expect from linux today. I'm always surprised when something goes in fullscreen mode and doesn't stutter/crash/break
[18:11] <nemo> alankila: hm. turn off fullscreen?
[18:11] <Amaranth> there are almost 70,000 bugs open so that doesn't really help me
[18:12] <nemo> Amaranth: I'm looking, as I said :-p
[18:12] <nemo> alankila: might be interesting to see if that alters behaviour at all
[18:12] <alankila> linux has conditioned me to the point that I only expect the most primitive and simplest things to work. I'm almost ready to give up on it on desktop and move to windows 7 when it's final. :-/
[18:13]  * Dr_Willis would say the same thing about windows...
[18:13] <alankila> I probably would have done this already but the nvidia based system I got seems to work fine.
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> Yep. hardware can make the differance.
[18:13] <alankila> it's just this damn ati that never ever works no matter what hardware revision, whether closed or open drivers, or whatever.
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I rarely have any issues in linux other then a few trivial things.
[18:14] <nemo> alankila: my ATI behaves fairly well
[18:14] <shadeslayer> alankila: its your decision,its your prefrence,we dont have a say in it ;)
[18:14] <alankila> that being said, radeonhd is closest to ever workin for me
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I totally gave up pn ati about 2 years ago.
[18:14] <nemo> alankila: I'm running the fglrx of course
[18:14] <Lazy_> i gave up on ati like 5 years ago
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> and i dont get the latest and greatest Nvidia stuff either.
[18:14] <Lazy_> nvidia 8800gt has worked well
[18:14] <nemo> Dr_Willis: I just wish gnome-display-properties worked w/ nvidia :(
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Lazy_: i have the 8600 M GT
[18:14] <alankila> yeah, I might run that as well but I've had this working like 10 % of the time this laptop has existed. X.org isn't stable enough for fglrx: always pulls the rug from under that one
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> I got an 8800gtsxxx thats going on  a few years old now.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> im just afraid that itll burn up :P
[18:15] <Lazy_> maybe intels larrabee will bring decent graphics with opensource drivers
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> nemo:  yea - they need to work on gettting nvidia-settings integerated a little better
[18:15] <nemo> alankila: well. my ATI machine on karmic seems just fine w/ fglrx
[18:15] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670]
[18:15] <alankila> Hm. I'll install fglrx and see if it would finally work
[18:15] <nemo> alankila: was auto-installed w/ hw manager thingy
[18:15] <nemo> so I have no idea what configuration it did, if any
[18:15] <alankila> yeah jockey
[18:16] <alankila> I'll see if it's going to offer fglrx for me
[18:16] <nemo> that is where ubuntu shines btw
[18:16] <nemo> I've been using linux for like 14 years. and have gotten completely burned out on manual config
[18:16] <nemo> I'm fine w/ point n click configs :D
[18:16] <xguru> hmm...did the last set of updates this past two hours break anyones window boarders?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> jockey rocks in *buntu,amazing tool ;)
[18:16] <Cynthia> xguru: as of 30 minutes ago, nope
[18:17] <xguru> oh great...i have windows with no boarders to move/close..etc
[18:17] <alankila> nopes, jockey isn't offering fglrx for me. I guess it has blacklisted X1250 or something.
[18:17] <nemo> Amaranth: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/241845/comments/5  I think this was the bug I ran into last time
[18:17] <alankila> this is the board on the laptop: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[18:17] <Amaranth> alankila: fglrx won't support that
[18:17] <nemo> Amaranth: now that alankila poitned out I'm still on the non-pulseaudio SDL, I'll retest Wesnoth in Karmic again
[18:18] <nemo> (it was freezing in Karmic too)
[18:18] <alankila> barf, fglrx has some of the worst support I've ever seen. This laptop is like 2 years old and they think it's already too obsolete for their latest & greatest?
[18:18] <Amaranth> RS690 is actually r500 which fglrx no longer supports
[18:18] <Amaranth> No, they think the open source drivers do it good enough
[18:18] <nemo> alankila: how old is the card in the laptop? :)
[18:18] <alankila> Amaranth: yes... well, I guess I can't argue against that. I have relatively decent experience with radeonhd after all.
[18:19] <shadeslayer> i think the nvidia and ati opensource driver should come pre installed on the CD....
[18:19] <Amaranth> RS690 is a bit weird thought since they shoved an older model 3D engine in to try to save power
[18:19] <dell_> Hello all, I am trying to create an xorg.conf file in karmic does anyone know the command?
[18:19] <Amaranth> Xorg -configure
[18:19] <Amaranth> I'm going to have to talk to that guy when he comes back
[18:19] <nemo> what's that gibberish do?
[18:19] <nemo> the rest just seems like a lame meme
[18:19] <shadeslayer> dell_: or something like : sudo nvidia-xconfig --composite : works as well on nvidia cards
[18:20] <Amaranth> nemo: Makes every AV program on windows delete the file you save it to
[18:20] <nalioth> nemo: google "test virus" or something like that
[18:20] <Amaranth> nemo: so I hope you don't save it in your IRC config...
[18:20] <nemo> Amaranth: oh. lovely.
[18:20] <nemo> Amaranth: heh. 1) I'd have to run windows
[18:20] <nemo> 2) I'd have to have AV :)
[18:20] <nemo> my one lonely windows machine has no AV
[18:20] <billybigrigger> since when was ubuntu install media a dvd?
[18:20] <nemo> I just scan it from the dual boot periodically
[18:20] <billybigrigger> this must be new for 9.10 beta
[18:21] <Amaranth> Also if I see that in your quit message I'll banforward you to #ubuntu-ops for a chat :)
[18:21] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: there are still CDs too
[18:21] <dell_> kdesudo Xorg -configure gives a cannot connect to x server error
[18:21] <TheInfinity> billybigrigger: you can choose if you want cd or dvd
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[18:21] <TheInfinity> like always
[18:21] <billybigrigger> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/beta/
[18:21] <billybigrigger> don't see any for the karmic beta
[18:21] <billybigrigger> daily cd's
[18:21] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[18:22] <shadeslayer> dell_: how about reconfiguring the package itself?
[18:22] <Cynthia> s/jaunty/karmic/
[18:22] <Amaranth> billybigrigger: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:22] <billybigrigger> ya couldn't get dailies to work
[18:22] <shadeslayer> that way you get a working xorg
[18:22] <Amaranth> dell_: you have to do it when X isn't running
[18:22] <billybigrigger> atleast not 1009
[18:22] <billybigrigger> didn't try 1008
[18:23] <dell_> let me terminate x and try it with out x running
[18:23] <dell_> i just reconfigured cause i messed up this xorg file
[18:23] <dell_> it doesnt have touch screen support
[18:24] <dell_> i have the file that i need to place in the xorg.conf file issue is there is no file in existance in karmic
[18:25] <dell_> closing x didnt help
[18:25] <Cynthia> someone in another channel points out that the EICAR standard antivirus test file would also delete logs for everyone having an antivirus
[18:28] <alankila> I wonder if the GTK+ update coupled with nspluginwrapper is the reason why I couldn't click on buttons inside flashplayer
[18:28] <alankila> it works when eliminating nspluginwrapper by using 64-bit flash directly, which really does seem to work as some people here claimed it would
[18:29] <alankila> because I saw that eclipse issue where you could no longer click on buttons in many gtk+ dialogs, and that's relatively similar to trying to click a button in flash and not have it actually do anything
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: The bug with GTK+ was that you couldn't click a button twice without moving your mouse out of the button and back in
[18:32] <Amaranth> alankila: and it's already fixed
[18:33] <shadeslayer> um... isnt !symlink supposed to tell me how to create a symlink?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> instead we have
[18:33] <shadeslayer> !symlink
[18:34] <wastrel> ln -s target link-name
[18:34] <DopeGhoti> it's a demonstration- !symlink is a soft link to !terminal :)
[18:35] <shadeslayer> DopeGhoti: hehe
[18:36] <alankila> Amaranth: hm, I'm half sure that that isn't quite matchin the symptoms I had with eclipse and flash
[18:36] <mewshi> hey everyone :)
[18:36] <mewshi> I need some help getting my wireless working again >.<
[18:36] <alankila> there seemed to be almost no amount of moving the mouse and clicking that would allow me to dismiss a dialog, but using the keyboard shortcuts worked
[18:36] <rsk> all my VT's went blank, known problem?
[18:37] <Amaranth> alankila: the flash part is known at least, don't know of a fix though
[18:37] <alankila> the eclipse problem is also fixed. I've previously hit the problem that GTK+ buttons don't work if you move the mouse in and out of them, but I recall that bug (which was very old) was fixed a year ago or so
[18:37] <mewshi> oh wait never mind X
[18:38] <mewshi> I got the wireless working.  I think.
[18:38] <alankila> I mean, they don't work unless you move the mouse in and out of them
[18:38] <Amaranth> right, if a button if mapped under your mouse you had to move out of it and back in before it would respond to a click
[18:38] <Amaranth> that was fixed about 9 months ago, iirc
[18:39] <alankila> yes, and the fix was some kind of hair-raising trickery, I recall there were many insanely subtle issues to it which I no longer can comprehend. I mean, on its face, it looks like a bloody trivial problem, but it had something to do with the events and how they were supposed to work, or something...
[18:40] <DopeGhoti> if I had to guess, something about not seeing the pointer move into/onto the widget if it appears wtih the pointer already wtihin it.
[18:40] <alankila> I never did get that very well. The few times I've written code against GTK+ I've determined that the toolkit is insanely fragile. :-(
[18:41] <mewshi> I have a mouse problem, if anyone can help.    I prefer to have my right touchpad button be my left click (I'm left handed, so it works quite nicely)
[18:42] <mewshi> In 9.04, this worked perfectly, but the upgrade broke it.
[18:44] <mewshi> Any ideas?
[18:45] <nemo> alankila: hm. my eclipse buttons aren't working in eclipse either.
[18:45] <nemo> I've had to use keyboard
[18:45] <nemo> sorta got used to it
[18:45] <nemo> nice to see it was fixed
[18:46] <mewshi> anyone know how to fix my touchpad issue?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mewshi: whats the issue?
[18:46] <mewshi> First off, the right- and left-handed buttons in the mouse configuration do nothing.  I prefer to have my right touchpad button be my left click (I'm left handed, so it works quite nicely)
[18:46] <shadeslayer> mewshi: ok,what DE ?
[18:47] <alankila> nemo: yeh, it's the gtk+ client side windows that's the problem, it doesn't cooperate with SWT somehow
[18:47] <mewshi> Netbook
[18:47] <alankila> but it's been fixed, the only problem is that I'll probably not seen the fix until eclipse 3.5.2 unless the packaged karmic 3.5.1 is otherwise fixed
[18:47] <nemo> alankila: mm. I'm still on ppa eclipse - packaged one is behaving better?
[18:47] <alankila> hmm, or maybe they can workaround the problem in gtk+. See, I'm not quite sure if the fix applied to swt or gtk+
[18:48] <alankila> no, the packaged one's java content assist is fubar
[18:48] <nemo> officially packaged I mean
[18:48] <nemo> ah
[18:48] <mewshi> So, I guess it's using gnome's mouse configuration tool
[18:48] <shadeslayer> mewshi: no i meant like KDE or GNOME,also whats the make of the touch pad?
[18:49] <nemo> alankila: wait, if it is an swt or gtk problem, why would you have to wait for 3.5.2 instead of an update of those libraries?
[18:49] <mewshi> Yeah, it's the Netbook remix desktop, so I guess it's using GNOME underpinnings?
[18:49] <mewshi> and it's a synaptics touchpad
[18:49] <shadeslayer> mewshi: yayy... install gsynaptic
[18:50] <shadeslayer> !info gsynaptic
[18:50] <duffydack> karmic is really nice on UNR....im impressed.  pity it s*cks for my laptops sound tho...
[18:50] <kklimonda> have anyone tried 9.10 on 1Ghz + 512 ram?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> !info gsynaptics
[18:50] <wastrel> what's unr
[18:51] <shadeslayer> mewshi: see above :-)
[18:51] <Cynthia> 13:48:17  alankila no, the packaged one's java content assist is fubar | I'm running the packaged Eclipse and its content assist is fine. What do you mean by content assist anyway, autocomplete for type names, for variable names or the Ctrl+Space in Add Class?
[18:51] <legend2440> latest update included upgrade from usplash 5.4.0 to usplash 5.4.1. this upgrade causes my  ctrl+alt + F1 - F6 tty to stop working. no login prompt. anyone else notice this?
[18:51] <alankila> Cynthia: when I tried to use ctrl+space to show me classes from some jar files I had in my dynamic web project, none could be found. It only found the classes from the rt.jar, it seems.
[18:52] <mewshi> ok
[18:52] <mewshi> be right back
[18:52] <dtchen> legend2440: confirmed; i have some pretty horrible garble on tty1-6
[18:52] <Cynthia> alankila: mm, well I just deal with local app projects, so the dependency options are going to be just fine
[18:53] <alankila> so instead of org.apache.wicket.markup.html.form.TextField all I got was some swing or awt TextField. It was like this, yet at the same time the code compiled just fine, so clearly the jar was found at that stage
[18:53] <dtchen> legend2440: then again, i have not confirmed whether it's reproducible using nv instead of the non-Free Nvidia driver
[18:53] <Cynthia> legend2440: I can't confirm the tty problem on Intel i915
[18:53] <legend2440> dtchen: yes mine looks like blue  Chinese letters and no login prompt
[18:53] <Cynthia> I see "Ubuntu karmic (development branch) jolteon tty1" then "jolteon login:"
[18:53] <alankila> additionally there was a warning about nonfunctional content assist options and a suggestion I should review them when I started the karmic eclipse 3.5.1 for the first time against the workspace
[18:54] <duffydack> 1 bug ive found only in karmic with FF 3.5 and not 9.04 with FF 3.5.  If I remove the navigation bar and add the icons to the right of the FF menu (to make more use of space, I even do it on my 17" screen too..) when starting FF it gets an error to do with toolbar.xml
[18:54] <alankila> so *something* was clearly different. Unfortunately I did not pay that much attention to that message because it seemed like the content assist worked but I didn't happen to try the custom jars
[18:54] <legend2440> dtchen: i also have nvidia using driver 185
[18:56] <dtchen> legend2440: right, hence i'm not sure how much of it has to do with the non-Free component
[18:58] <mewshi> hi :)
[18:58] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of a good nvidia vdpau tutorial?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mewshi: wb
[18:58] <billybigrigger> or does any players even support it yet?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> mewshi: btw did you also try gnomes mouse config utility?
[18:58] <RussellAlan> Well that was fun, I botted into 9.10 and had two options, I went with the one with -12, Mouse still bounces around like crazy,
[18:59] <mewshi> Ok... well, gsynaptics fixed my second issue (mouse pointer going waaaaaaaay too fast (even though the GNOME configuration tool had it to the minimum)  and yes, I tried that XD
[18:59] <RussellAlan> I rebooted... into -11 ANnd had a normal mouse for a second, then it dissapeared
[18:59] <mewshi> Ok now I'm having another issue >.<
[18:59] <shadeslayer> mewshi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[18:59] <Amaranth> nemo: btw, hedgewars works great here
[19:00] <shadeslayer> mewshi: shoot!
[19:00] <mewshi> The y-axis goes SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the x-axis on the touchpad >.<
[19:01] <mewshi> I think it's due to the smaller size of the y-axis compared to a normal touchpad
[19:01] <shadeslayer> mewshi: scrolling?
[19:01] <mewshi> no
[19:01] <mewshi> moving the pointer up and down goes a lot faster than moving it left and right
[19:01] <shadeslayer> mewshi: oh.. ok,just see the link i sent you,it should troubleshoot everything hopefully
[19:01] <mewshi> Ok
[19:03] <mewshi> that does nothing to help me >.<
[19:03] <mewshi> I've tried using gsynaptics, and that doesn't help matters :(
[19:06] <mewshi> any other ideas?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> mewshi: google?
[19:07] <mewshi> what should I google for?
[19:08] <alankila> By the way, what is ubuntu's share of desktop systems in the linux landscape these days?
[19:08] <alankila> Does anyone know what percentage of linux systems used for desktop are running ubuntu?
[19:09] <SKB> hello, does anyone know with what arguments dbus is compiled? I seem to have some sort of policy issues :\
[19:09] <thiebaude> alankila, its the #1 distro, but i dont know the other percentages
[19:09] <kavurt> hi, what package should I install to be able to watch this stream: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html ?
[19:09] <joaopinto> alankila, there is no data to determine that
[19:10] <DopeGhoti> Is there a CLI client for UbuntuOne, or jus tthe GNOME one for now?
[19:10] <alankila> yes, unfortunately it's very hard to say how the distros are doing, but that being said, someone got to have a rough idea
[19:10] <jdfoote1> I have had this weird problem with OpenOffice - in Jaunty and Karmic, OpenOffice looks like it isn't using GNOME - it's this grayish windows manager. Has anyone else ever seen this, or know how to fix it?
[19:11] <joaopinto> alankila, without data, is just a guess
[19:11] <thiebaude> alankila, i've seen some data linux is about 1%
[19:11] <alankila> thiebaude: no, not that... within linux systems
[19:12] <thiebaude> alankila, ahh, ok a breakdown of which distros and percentages
[19:12] <alankila> Something like this is the best I can find at the time being: http://blog.gpowered.net/2007/10/linux-distro-popularity-according-to.html
[19:12] <shadeslayer> mewshi: synaptics touchpad+problem+ubuntu
[19:13] <joaopinto> alankila, which is not related to desktop usage :)
[19:13] <alankila> indeed not
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: what's the system specs, do they differ from alankila and I?
[19:13] <thiebaude> alankila, i dont question those results
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: somehow it doesn't surprise me it works great for you :)
[19:13] <nemo> Amaranth: if pulseaudio *didn't* work great for all the devs, they would never have shoved it on the rest of us
[19:14] <yoasif> anyone having trouble starting firefox?
[19:14] <Amaranth> nemo: intel graphics, MacBook4,1
[19:14] <yoasif> im getting a segfault
[19:14] <SKB> in which channel i should ask dbus compilation related questions?
[19:14] <Amaranth> yoasif: firefox from ubuntu or from mozilla?
[19:14] <yoasif> Amaranth, ubuntu
[19:14] <Martyn> Terminals broken in latest update.. darnit
[19:14] <Amaranth> no idea then
[19:14] <Amaranth> nemo: how do you change weapons? :)
[19:15] <yoasif> firefox:
[19:15] <yoasif>   Installed: 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[19:15] <joaopinto> what are you testing ?
[19:16] <Amaranth> nemo: only about 50% CPU usage between compiz, Xorg, hedgewars, and pulseaudio too
[19:16] <shadeslayer> SKB: #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel might be able to answer but ask here first and if no one answers then go there
[19:16] <SKB> no one answered  here :|
[19:16] <SKB> i'll try ubuntu-devel, ty
[19:17] <shadeslayer> SKB: the only problem with those channels is that youll have to wait for a long time for a answer.....
[19:17] <shadeslayer> people are usually busy with other work
[19:17] <SKB> everyone's busy hehe
[19:17] <Amaranth> no no, not those channels
[19:17] <Amaranth> If you're having trouble compiling a dbus package you want #ubuntu-motu
[19:18] <SKB> oh
[19:18] <Amaranth> If you're doing something else you want #dbus, if it exists
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Amaranth: um,isnt motu for packaging?
[19:18] <joaopinto> actually if you are just compiling, you may be on the proper channel, please pastebin the error
[19:18] <Amaranth> shadeslayer: And ubuntu-devel is for development _of_ ubuntu, not development _on_ ubuntu
[19:18] <joaopinto> since it maybe a trivial compiling question
[19:18] <shadeslayer> Amaranth: thats why i said to ask here first....
[19:18] <SKB> after compilation i get some sort of policy problems
[19:19] <mewshi> google turns up nothing :(
[19:19] <joaopinto> SKB, after ? you mean it compiles fine ?
[19:19] <SKB> so i am wondering whether something else should be enable or something
[19:19] <SKB> yes it compiles fine
[19:19] <joaopinto> so it's not a compilation problem after all :)
[19:19] <joaopinto> SKB, what are you compiling ?
[19:19] <SKB> dbus
[19:20] <joaopinto> SKB, and why are you compiling dbus ?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> mewshi: http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=synaptic+touchpad+in+ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[19:20] <SKB> because my system was borked (and still is)
[19:20] <joaopinto> SKB, and how do you expect to fix it by recompiling dbus ?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> mewshi: this looks good : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493758
[19:21] <joaopinto> SKB, have you filed a bug report about your problem ?
[19:21] <SKB> not a bug, my own fault :|
[19:22] <mewshi> that requires xorg.conf changes >.>  I thought xorg.conf is... pointless now?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> mewshi: why? xorg is not pointless....
[19:22] <mewshi> the .conf file doesn't have anything in it anymore.  Or did that change finally?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> mewshi: um.... it does have alot of stuff..... last time i checked
[19:23] <mewshi> just add the section listed?
[19:23] <Pici> Its not required for xorg to run, but it will use it if it exists.
[19:23] <evilaim> There, nice and not sleepy:)
[19:23] <mewshi> ah, ok
[19:24] <shadeslayer> mewshi: so basically follow the ubuntuforums howto
[19:25] <shadeslayer> mewshi: before doing anything back the xorg up ;)
[19:28] <evilaim> God I love cheese
[19:31] <CyberZet> !offtopic evilaim
[19:31] <shadeslayer> CyberZet: you need a pipe | in between
[19:32] <luka> guys is there any app in the ubuntu repos to create a live dvd or usb image from my current system besides remastersys?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> luka: usb-creator
[19:33] <shadeslayer> !info usb-creator
[19:34] <Hadi> hello
[19:34] <Hadi> can i update my ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 ?
[19:34] <moflea> hi
[19:34] <Frickelpit> Hadi: yes
[19:35] <luka> shadeslayer: nope thats not what im looking, i want to make an .iso of my current system...
[19:35] <Hadi> how
[19:35] <joaopinto> Hadi, you understand that is still beta right ?
[19:35] <Hadi> yes
[19:35] <Hadi> i mean till it released
[19:35] <Hadi> can i press update
[19:35] <Hadi> and it changes to 9.10 ?
[19:35] <joaopinto> luka, you current system is unlikely to fit on a cd or dvd
[19:35] <moflea> can i update my ubuntu 9.0.4 to 9.10 using a iso file ?
[19:35] <joaopinto> moflea, only if it's from the alternate cd
[19:35] <joaopinto> and you mean 9.04
[19:36] <Frickelpit> Hadi: you will get a notification from your System
[19:36] <shadeslayer> luka: ah.... what about dd? dd if=/dev/sd* of=/path/to/iso
[19:36] <joaopinto> Hadi, 9.10 is not released yet, it's beta
[19:36] <Hadi> ok
[19:36] <Hadi> thank u;D
[19:36] <Hadi> how it looks:P
[19:36] <Hadi> im wondering
[19:36] <Hadi> hehe
[19:36] <Hadi> <3 cyasoon
[19:36] <Hadi> bye
[19:36] <joaopinto> shadeslayer, that is not an iso, that is only an iso when performed with a CD as a source
[19:36] <luka> joaopinto: i used to use remastersys to do this... its totally possible.... i just want to make a backup of my system... record it to any dvd and boot from there
[19:36] <rsk> Hadi: the new theme is all over the net
[19:36] <Berzerker-> to update just hit alt+f2 and type update-manager -d and it will ask you to upgrade
[19:36] <luka> shadeslayer: that iso wont boot
[19:37] <shadeslayer> luka: you want a iso of the system that boots?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> wow.....
[19:37] <CyberZet> :)
[19:37] <moflea> ok ty
[19:37] <moflea> joaopinto
[19:38] <luka> shadeslayer: yes... like remastersyss does, but its not currently supported by 9.10
[19:38] <joaopinto> luka, I am not aware of such a tool :\
[19:38] <metropolis> This is sort of a stupid question, but if I try karmic on my machine, and something breaks (say, suspend-to-ram), is that the sort of thing that (if I filed a bug and the fix were easy) might still make it into the release?
[19:38] <luka> ok... ill keep searching
[19:38] <joaopinto> metropolis, very unlikely, that is not critical, unless you have an easy fix :)
[19:39] <metropolis> joaopinto: that's not critical?
[19:39] <billybigrigger> hey all
[19:39] <thiebaude> billybigrigger, hey
[19:39] <billybigrigger> has anyone here done a fresh install from the ubuntu beta dvd?
[19:40] <Berzerker-> metropolis, if it's a critical fix, it will most likely be fixed for the release, otherwise, probably not.
[19:40] <billybigrigger> nice interface, but seems slow, and the %80 bug while scanning the apt mirror still plagues the install :( and takes about 10 minutes at the end to remove a ton of fonts?
[19:41] <billybigrigger> i thought after 2 years that "Scanning APT Mirror" bug would be squashed by now :P
[19:41] <Berzerker-> billybigrigger, didn't happen to me on either my netbook install or my rig install.
[19:41] <billybigrigger> DVD install?
[19:41] <mamr> hi, how to find out if the radeon or the radeonhd driver is used on my machine using the terminal (i don't have a xorg.conf)?
[19:41] <metropolis> Berzerker : okay, just trying to figure out if punting work now to try and test out karmic (and suffer / report bugs) is worth it :)
[19:42] <shadeslayer> mamr: lsmod
[19:42] <Berzerker-> metropolis, I think installing karmic just to use it over jaunty is worth it.
[19:42] <mamr> thanks
[19:42] <joaopinto>  bn bb
[19:42] <metropolis> Berzerker: okay, good point -- maybe I'll get my fiancee to do the same and we can see if the new empathy video chat actually works
[19:42] <serzholino> anyone has problems with bluetooth in karmic? Dongle after plug is in hidden mode
[19:43] <mewshi> ok
[19:43] <mewshi> there is nothing anywhere about changing the y-axis behavior :(
[19:43] <serzholino> i kebluetooth change to discoberable, then ok, but it is still hidden
[19:43] <Berzerker-> metropolis, I personally stuck with pidgin.
[19:43] <shadeslayer> mewshi: its in editing the values for xorg,just adjust them to your needs
[19:43] <Berzerker-> metropolis, the new pidgin has integrated voice/video support, haven't tried it though.
[19:44] <billybigrigger> need a working webcam in karmic for that :P
[19:44] <billybigrigger> stupid new kernels haha
[19:44] <joaopinto> metropolis, suspend is not a critical function at all
[19:44] <joaopinto> metropolis, it doesn't prevent you to use a system in anyway
[19:45] <Berzerker-> everything on both computers work OTB
[19:45] <shadeslayer> metropolis: plus were in a freeze,only critical bugs can be fixed
[19:45] <billybigrigger> my webcam hasn't worked all through karmic cycle :(
[19:45] <billybigrigger> works ootb in jaunty though
[19:46] <mewshi> shadeslayer, there is no option for adjusting the y-axis behavior >.<
[19:47] <shadeslayer> mewshi: ill pastebin my xorg... just compare the values and see if they work
[19:48] <mewshi> I just need to scale the y-axis by 0.6 or so >.<
[19:48] <shadeslayer> mewshi: http://pastebin.ca/1607771
[19:49] <FiReSTaRT> hi.. i wanted to ask for some clarification about karmic.. it will be switching to devicekit-power from hal.. does that mean that the suspend function will be completely different than in the previous releases?
[19:49] <FiReSTaRT> or is devicekit-power just for monitoring
[19:50] <mewshi> shadeslayer, it's a touchpad, not a mouse.  There's nothing there about a touchpad that I can see >><
[19:50] <shadeslayer> mewshi: the mouse part *is* the touchpad
[19:51] <mewshi> well, there's nothing there about changing the y-axis behavior :(
[19:51] <kl87> hey i have both gnome and kde im running karmic and when in gnome i have sound wheen in kde i have no sound..idk whats wrong
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mewshi: well try reducing the sensitivity or something,just keep tweaking all the values,gtg as of now
[19:52] <kl87> anyone ever have this happen
[19:52] <mewshi> I can't reduce the sensitivity, it will also change the x-axis
[19:52] <shadeslayer> kl87: try switching the KDE backend to gstreamer..
[19:52] <kl87> shadeslayer: how do i do that
[19:53] <shadeslayer> kl87: K > System Settings > Multimedia > Backend
[19:53] <shadeslayer> kl87: also in kmix select all the channels and set them to high
[19:54] <shadeslayer> anyways like i said... gtg
[19:54] <shadeslayer> bye all
[19:55] <kl87> i only have xine for a back end option no gstreamer
[19:55] <athe> Oy. "Upgrading" from 9.10 beta to final is nothing but update && upgrade, correct?
[19:55] <Machtin> well.. dist-upgrade
[19:57] <yofel> kl87: maybe pulseaudio get's in the way, can you [install and] run 'padevchooser' and check if anything is muten in 'Volume Control'?
[19:58] <kl87> ok
[19:58] <yofel> s/muten/muted
[20:00] <kl87> padevchooser i installed it but cant seem to find it in my applications
[20:01] <yofel> kl87: search for 'Device Chooser'
[20:01] <athe> Machtin: you're positive it's dist-upgrade, as opposed to upgrade?
[20:02] <mbeierl> what happened to the "git-clone" command.  It's not found nor is any package suggested for it
[20:02] <Machtin> afaik upgrade doesn't upgrade kernel etc.
[20:02] <yofel> athe: if any packages are replaced until the release, upgrade won't install them, dist-upgrade will
[20:02] <yofel> Machtin: it does
[20:02] <kl87> it doesnt seem to start up
[20:03] <yofel> kl87: it's an applet, you'll find it in the systray
[20:03] <Machtin> kay then, sorry
[20:03] <kl87> oo im sry found it
[20:04] <kl87> ok so what in there am i looking for
[20:04] <athe> yofel: thanks. you don't suppose there's a good chance of dist-upgrade breaking stuff in that scenario?
[20:05] <mbeierl> oh.  git-clone is put into /usr/lib/git-core/git-clone, not into a path, and command-not-found does not suggest any package for it
[20:05] <yofel> athe: it *should* not, if you want, you could use 'sudo aptitude full-upgrade' instead of dist-upgrade. Aptitude has a more advanced dependency resolver (doesn't break things as often)
[20:05] <mewshi> what the hell >.<  Why is there no solution to this problem? :(
[20:06] <yofel> kl87: open the 'Volume Control' Menu and check if you find any output devices muted. That's what happened to me after I installed kde.
[20:07] <kl87> wow thats the same problem i had
[20:07] <kl87> thats really weird
[20:07] <kl87> thanks for the help now i just gotta get used to kde
[20:08] <yofel> kl87: np
[20:21] <mauri> is there a program for kubuntu in order to resize ntfs partitons (gparted and partition manager don't work)
[20:30] <kl87> is there any reason i should be getting errors about my tmp file when install plasmoids
[20:35] <tavasti> in my xubuntu 9.04 if I clicked URL on irc or skype, it opened in firefox, and firefox stayed in it's place, but now in Karmic Firefox comes to same desktop as the program which is calling it. How to get behaviour I had before?
[20:38] <darkham> wasn't banshee the new default audio player?
[20:41] <tavasti> answer to my question is: window manager tweaks - focus - wehen window raises itself
[20:42] <webbb82> i just did a system update and i got this daemon error The connection to the daemon was lost. Most likely the background daemon crashed
[20:43] <Cynthia> webbb82: was it 5 minutes after you were done with updates, yet leaving the Update Manager open? that has happened to me under those circumstances
[20:43] <ectropy> I love karmic, and notice a significant increase in performance. Keep up the good work, guys
[20:43] <webbb82> i think i ran the update and wasnt looking at it so maybe
[20:44] <webbb82> it said task cannot be monitored or controlled
[20:44] <Cynthia> webbb82: that's the same thing I had, yes
[20:44] <webbb82> but my updater is still open and running the update
[20:47] <Cynthia> webbb82: is this either of bugs 441686, 438797?
[20:49] <darkham> wasn't banshee the new default audio player?
[20:50] <Cynthia> darkham: No, but Empathy is the new default IM application
[20:50] <Amaranth> darkham: nope, banshee never made a stable release
[20:50] <Cynthia> Totem is still default
[20:50] <darkham> rockbox
[20:50] <darkham> ehm rythmbox
[20:51] <mbeierl1> Anyone else getting suspend immediately after resume recently?
[20:51] <webbb82> ya that does look like what i got
[20:51] <Cynthia> darkham: yes, you can launch audio CDs in Rhythmbox still, although that's quite buggy
[20:52] <Cynthia> which leads me to a bug I was going to check up on and file: Rhythmbox can't play anything here (amd64), it just says something about a timeout
[20:52] <legend2440> since larest kernel update everytime i reboot karmic i get "Running DKMS auto installation service for kernel 2.6.31-13-generic". it has to do with my Nvidia card. any one else noticed this?
[20:52] <legend2440> *latest
[20:53] <mbeierl1> legend2440: just got that - but have not rebooted again since
[20:53] <legend2440> mbeierl1: ok
[20:53] <Cynthia> ah, rhythmbox works now, never mind
[20:54] <mbeierl1> Is there a reported bug against battery charge state that shows battery at 50% when there's only 1 battery in a dual battery capable laptop?
[20:55] <legend2440> mbeierl1: another thing is that since latest usplash upgrade from 540 to 541  my alt+ctrl+F1 -F6 stopped working. no login prompt. have you noticed that? it seem to effect nvidia users
[20:56] <webbb82> was there a update that i just did that could have caused this crash?
[20:56] <mbeierl1> legend2440: good catch!  No I had not gone console via F1 yet.  It appears as though the display mode is preventing the login prompt from showing up
[20:56] <webbb82> i didnt do it yesterday
[20:57] <legend2440> mbeierl1: so your tty's are borked too?
[20:57] <mbeierl1> yes
[20:57] <mbeierl1> legend2440: ^
[20:59] <legend2440> mbeierl1: ok. well to fix that tty problem i edited the /etc/default/grub file. removed the word  "splash" then saved the file then did a sudo update-grub and the tty's are working again
[21:00] <mbeierl1> legend2440: yep, that would do it.  The splash is putting the card into a mode where it cannot display anything, thereby rendering the ttys invisible.
[21:02] <yoritomo> hello all
[21:03] <yoritomo> i experience problems with a AC97 soundcard, everything on maximum, but the volume still very low on ekiga, skype, video and everything
[21:04] <yoritomo> i had low sound already under previous versions but especially on karmic too terrible
[21:04] <yoritomo> what to do where does comes the problem?
[21:04] <yoritomo> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[21:05] <Cynthia> yoritomo: are you on gnome, kde or xfce?
[21:06] <yoritomo> Gnome
[21:07] <yoritomo> hardy and jaunty, everything on maximum that as still not powerful already
[21:07] <Cynthia> system/preferences/sound, check that the volume for applications in the Applications tab is all the way to the right
[21:08] <Cynthia> those only appear while applications are actively playing sounds; I imagine the global volume and the volume in the Effects tab are 100% already per what you said
[21:11] <yoritomo> Cynthia, thanks, i launched a video on firefox, and i can notice firefox is 100% volume
[21:13] <Cynthia> yoritomo: hmm
[21:13] <yoritomo> in system/preferences/sound
[21:14] <Cynthia> yoritomo: run alsamixer in a terminal, and check that Master is indeed at 100%; here it's at 52
[21:15] <Cynthia> despite the gnome preferences saying that my output volume is at 40... setting it to 100 in alsamixer makes it higher
[21:15] <yoritomo> Cynthia, what command to type on terminal ?
[21:16] <Cynthia> yoritomo: alsamixer [Enter]
[21:16] <Cynthia> raise the volume for Master with [Up]
[21:16] <Cynthia> you can also select different volume controls within alsamixer with [Left] and [Right]
[21:18] <yoritomo> i have master, master m and  master s , only master is 100% both other on 0%
[21:19] <lfaraone> Why is it that things like setting CPU frequency scaling no longer have a "remember my authorization" checkbox?
[21:19] <lfaraone> *the authentication dialog for changing
[21:21] <evilaim> Ya, Grub 3 is gimped
[21:22] <MichRT> Hello. Anybody home?
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: hey. sorry. work stuff :)
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: WRT changing weapons. right click or F1-F9
[21:22] <Martyn> 2009-10-09 15:21:35,560 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - OAuth failed: Authentication Failed
[21:22] <nemo> Amaranth: unless you remapped your team keys
[21:23] <evilaim> Ok, I know this is a pretty easy question, and I'm fully able to do it...
[21:23] <MichRT> Anyone know how to switch GRUB Beta 3 back to Legacy? Clean installed Karmic
[21:23] <evilaim> but... What is the best Flash player to install?"
[21:23] <evilaim> I'm getting my butt kicked by 3 different ones
[21:23] <MichRT> evilaim: Flash 10
[21:24] <evilaim> flashplugin-nonfree?
[21:24] <MichRT> don't use the open fwlash
[21:24] <MichRT> Yah, non-free
[21:24] <evilaim> ?
[21:24] <evilaim> don't use it or use it?
[21:24] <MichRT> Use flashplugin-nonfree
[21:24] <yoritomo> Cynthia, looks like everythink maximum and still same anyway
[21:24] <evilaim> kk
[21:24] <Cynthia> evilaim: MichRT is saying not to use Gnash (free) and to use flashplugin-installer (non-free)
[21:24] <Cynthia> it has several aliases for package names
[21:25] <MichRT> Right. thanx cynthia
[21:25] <MichRT> Gotta go. Back in a bit.
[21:25] <Cynthia> There's an alpha version of Flash 10 from Adobe Labs, if you use 64-bit Ubuntu
[21:26] <Cynthia> you take the file they give you and put it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ as root or sudo
[21:26] <nemo> Cynthia: hm. still alpha? I thought they were up to beta
[21:26] <nemo> Cynthia: and he can install it in his profile too :)
[21:26] <nemo> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[21:26] <Cynthia> nemo: true
[21:28] <Cynthia> diff is to patch as debdiff is to... debpatch? is there such a utility?
[21:29] <Cynthia> ah, never mind, command-not-found says it's in the package debdelta
[21:31] <evilaim> Awe, ghetto
[21:31] <evilaim> hulu == .us only
[21:31] <shoss> Hello, I have a problem of limited/slow wifi download speed on ubuntu karmic (intel wireless pro wifi card) does anyone know how to solve this?
[21:32] <Cynthia> evilaim: yeah
[21:32] <evilaim> I wonder if I can bypass that
[21:32] <shoss> also, the compiz-fusion doesn't seem to like the karmic at all, i had to disable it
[21:34] <evilaim> hmmm
[21:35] <evilaim> That's ghetto...
[21:36] <yoritomo> Cynthia i was checking some page on the net but i don't find much informations about my problems
[21:37] <evilaim> damnit
[21:38] <evilaim> hulu works MINT on my machine, other then the fact I can't watch shit
[21:38] <Cynthia> yoritomo: it seems like alsamixer's volume is just a linear version of the logarithmic volume shown in the gnome sound preferences, or something
[21:38] <evilaim> -language
[21:38] <Cynthia> setting the volume to 97 in alsamixer gives me a sound preferences volume of 90
[21:38] <Cynthia> however, can you not set it above 100% in sound preferences? I see the slider has a 100% about the two-thirds of it
[21:41] <yoritomo> it is 100%
[21:42] <ectropy> Hmmm... wasn't there a new pulseaudio system-wide EQ a while ago?
[21:42] <yoritomo> i don't know if i can install a proprietary driver for it
[21:43] <ectropy> dunno how much it will like Karmic
[21:43] <yoritomo> when i run the same video on windows i jump on my seat :
[21:43] <evilaim> hmmm
[21:43] <ectropy> And last I checked it had to run all the time, sapping CPU, instead of only running when audio is about
[21:44] <jasonlife> I'm testing Ubuntu 9.10 and it has gdm 2.28.  How can I specify my customer X server to start from gdm.  I can't find such an option to specify X server.. (different path)
[21:46] <ectropy> yoritomo: try #alsa
[21:47] <ectropy> yoritomo: Although I remember they weren't much help when I had the same problem. But your sound card is likeley different, so they may be able to help
[21:47] <ectropy> yoritomo: I never got my issue resolved.
[21:47] <yoritomo> where to change it?
[21:48] <ectropy> yoritomo: and in fact, if I remember correcly, the pulseaudio eq was broken from jaunty onward because it lacks a lib or two.
[21:48] <ectropy> was/is
[21:49] <yoritomo> looks like a general problem then?
[21:52] <hbbs> Hi, I've just updated my karmic install now and apparently the super key + R shortcut was removed from compiz. Can anyone eles confirm this?
[21:56] <hbbs> I hope this would turn out to be some kind of mistake, because one should be able to zoom in/ou a window on Ubuntu just using keyboad shortcuts.
[21:59] <test34> I didnt do todays updates, but the shortcut works for me... I'm updating now
[22:00] <test34> but it doesnt work all the time
[22:01] <billybigrigger> anyone here familiar with nvidia vdpau?
[22:01] <webbb82> hey i just ran a apt-get dist-upgrade and my computer crashed whats the command to get it fixed apt-get -f install?
[22:02] <yofel> webbb82: do you mean 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[22:02] <webbb82> ya  i think what will that command do?  is there a good cheat sheet for this command
[22:02] <webbb82> and ones like it
[22:03] <alankila> man pages
[22:03] <alankila> well, you only have to know a couple of them: apt-get, dpkg, mostly
[22:03] <alankila> I can't really think of other packaging-related commands I execute regularly save from debfoster but that's not something people normally need
[22:04] <webbb82> what will sudo dpkg --configure -a do
[22:04] <evilaim> Ugh, I can't wait for hulu to be launched for Canada
[22:04] <alankila> read the manual.
[22:04] <evilaim> That'll be a great day:)
[22:05] <yofel> webbb82: configure all packages that weren't yet configured because the installation/upgrade was aborted
[22:05] <webbb82> nothing happened when i di the command
[22:06] <yofel> webbb82: ok, then nothing needed to be done, do you still get errors?
[22:06] <webbb82> im running upgrade rite now ill see
[22:06]  * alankila thinks apt-get should just run dpkg --configure -a if it needs to be run.
[22:07] <yofel> heh, would indeed be nice..
[22:07] <alankila> I also think apt-get should alias dist-upgrade and upgrade and just not mention dist-upgrade except as an alias for upgrade, used by oldtimers
[22:08] <yofel> alankila: no, upgrade and dist-upgrade have different behaviours
[22:08] <alankila> there are too many questions related to what are the right parameters to run and there are very few reasons to run upgrade rather than dist-upgrade. In fact, I can't really think of any.
[22:08] <billybigrigger> anyone know what happened to the virtualbox-3.0 package?
[22:09] <test34> Im doing updates using the update manager, it looks like it's updating in the background but the usual window didn't popup when I pushed install updates (the one where you can push details and see what's going on).. it just grayed out the main update manager window
[22:09] <billybigrigger> virtualbox-3.0:
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Installed: (none)
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: (none)
[22:09] <billybigrigger>   Version table:
[22:09] <yofel> alankila: yes, but can for example use upgrade in a cron job without having to check for any breakage since it should be safe in most situations
[22:09] <test34> it finished
[22:10] <alankila> yofel: and distros that provide security upgrades only are unlikely to obsolete packages and thus differentiate between the dist-upgrade and upgrade behavior.
[22:11] <yofel> alankila: yes, but do you now want to build a seperate apt for development releases where that does happen? That's nonsense
[22:11] <odin> Hello, I have an issue with my alsa-pulse configuration. I am using Karmic. I can't use the quick access buttons or the volume applet to change/mute sound
[22:11] <alankila> No. I just want everyone to use dist-upgrade if they aren't on a stable release. :)
[22:12] <odin> when I try System>Preferences>Sound I have a message telling me something like "waiting for sound system to respond". I think it is related.
[22:13] <yofel> alankila: ok true, but then again, you should know this if you're using a development release
[22:13] <alankila> I mean, practically. I really doubt there is anyone running upgrades automatically on a system that isn't also on some kind of stable feed. The only use case -- keeping what you have working -- makes sense only if you are also tracking a stable release. That's why I suspect upgrade-feature is actually pointless.
[22:13] <alankila> it's already given by the fact that you are in maintenance mode and aren't tracking something like debian testing or unstable, or such which conceiveably replaces packages unpredictably.
[22:15] <Trizicus> I have a kernel update question (or 2): 1. Just to be sure; but when I update my kernel I need to uninstall the propriety nvidia driver, then reinstall it into the new kernel correct? Also how do I test the new kernel for stability properly?
[22:15] <yofel> well yeah ok, but is that enough reason to make apt behave different in debian and in ubuntu?
[22:16] <yofel> Trizicus: if you use the .run file from nvidia then yes, if you use the package from the repository no - dkms will rebuild the driver for the new kernel
[22:16] <slacker_nl> alankila: i don't want to run dist-upgrade on a "unstable" system
[22:16] <odin> you run nvidia-installer --update
[22:17] <Trizicus> ok that answers one of my questions, thanks what about testing for stability?
[22:18] <odin> Trizicus: the best way to test for stability is to download the cuda sdk and run the examples
[22:18] <evilaim> God, I do love this new version
[22:18] <evilaim> 9.10 +1
[22:18] <Trizicus> that will test for kernel stability?
[22:19] <alankila> I suppose I have to agree... I'm just dreaming that people would throw away something like the upgrade-mode of apt, just as something which is potentially dangerous as it multiplies the number of linux system configurations and thus makes it that much less likely that everything gets tested properly.
[22:19] <odin> Hello, I have an issue with my alsa-pulse configuration. I am using Karmic. I can't use the quick access buttons or the volume applet to change/mute sound
[22:21] <MichRT> Hello.  I'm Cynthia.
[22:22] <slacker_nl> odin: in ubuntu+1 everyone assumes you're running karmic ;)
[22:22] <MichRT> Hay, you helped me get my words straight earlier. Nice to meet you Cynthia.
[22:22] <Cynthia> Likewise :)
[22:22] <MichRT> I am running Karmic
[22:22] <MichRT> Love it
[22:23] <odin> sorry I just copied the message from #ubuntu
[22:23] <odin> sorry back
[22:24] <MichRT> Question: How, if possible, do you SAFELY get GRUB back to Legacy?
[22:24] <alankila> MichRT: you mean, install grub1 again?
[22:24] <evilaim> Ya, 9.10 is very very nice so far
[22:24] <evilaim> And yes the new grub is brutal
[22:24] <evilaim> haha
[22:25] <MichRT> Well, I have the new GRUB Beat 3, since it comes with Karmic, But it is sooooooo much slower than the one in 9.04
[22:25] <MichRT> Beat, sorry
[22:25] <MichRT> beta
[22:25] <evilaim> failz
[22:25] <evilaim> haha
[22:25] <evilaim> Ya, I dunno, it's not my fav.
[22:25] <evilaim> I don't even know how to revert
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   startupmanager
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   grub{a}
[22:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[22:26] <BUGabundo>   grub-common grub-pc
[22:26] <alankila> hmm... what do you mean, slower? It doesn't even show a menu if you don't have other things to boot than linux?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> what to do ?
[22:26] <yofel> BUGabundo: wasn't there a bug about that?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I was just doing updates
[22:26] <BUGabundo> and found that gem
[22:27] <Olimpico> Hello, I just upgraded to 9.10 Beta, everything works fine, but I cannot write accents, can someone please help me?
[22:27] <MichRT> Well, GRUB beta 3 seems to start slower, and boot up operating systems slower. I have a nice PC, so IDK
[22:27] <Cynthia> Olimpico: gnome, kde or xfce?
[22:27] <alankila> odd. I haven't noticed any issues like that.
[22:28] <Olimpico> Cynthia, xfce
[22:28] <Cynthia> I use gnome, so I'll pass the buck to the rest of #ubuntu+1
[22:28] <evilaim> +1 for xfce
[22:28] <alankila> I certainly agree that grub could load the kernel and initrd a bit faster, but it seems to take like 1 or 2 seconds to load them so I don't really care
[22:29] <MichRT> ooooh, how is the new xfce? I remember 8.04. It sucked. No offense. But it does seem better now.
[22:29] <MichRT> One moment........
[22:29] <NCommander> MichRT, much much better
[22:29] <evilaim> It's ok
[22:29] <evilaim> I wouldn't exchange it for my gnome tho
[22:29] <Olimpico> ooooooohhhhhhhhhh, I just noticed where is the problem
[22:29] <Olimpico> Aparently synergy is the one causing the problem, shit!!!!!!!!
[22:30] <evilaim> language
[22:30] <Olimpico> Sorry
[22:30] <evilaim> *shrugs*
[22:30] <alankila> XFCE is odd. It's less featured than GNOME and seems to use more memory than GNOME, according to someone's tests... It used to be a lightweight desktop alternative back in the day, but somehow it's bloated to hell now.
[22:30] <evilaim> alakila, I've found the same
[22:30] <Olimpico> alankila, well, thats not my experinece
[22:30] <evilaim> That's why I'm testing out blackbox
[22:31] <alankila> yeh, I used blackbox on a very weak box I got but then I discovered lxde
[22:31] <yoritomo> re
[22:31] <rx78x> sup all, big problem today when I powered on for the first time since last night...
[22:32] <rx78x> I can't log in to my main acct, and I think it has something to do with the new passphrase option that also unlocks home
[22:32] <yoritomo> in alsamixer i did not know immediately the problem, it needs to use right arrow to browse more volume bars
[22:32] <yoritomo> now i know thanks all for that
[22:32] <Olimpico> alankila, I find xubuntu very good, I just have the problem now that I use synergy, for having two computers with one keyboard and mouse. THe problem is that in the synergyc side the keyboard layout is not working properly
[22:33] <rx78x> I have tried to sudo mount -t ecryptfs /home/ross/.Private /home/ross/private but it keeps giving me errors and won't mount the disk
[22:33] <alankila> Olimpico: yes, I'm talking about a very weak system. 128 MB of RAM and celeron 600 MHz. It used to be that xfce would have worked on such a system, that is why I was bitterly disappointed by it
[22:33] <rx78x> also, there is a link on the desktop that says Access Your Private Data, but when I click it, it does nothing
[22:33] <Olimpico> alankila, Well, thats extreme, but I really think xubuntu is much lighter than ubuntu!
[22:34] <rx78x> I am pretty sure I used the same passphrase for the log in as well as the PAM key that unlocks the home, but it was working fine up until last night...
[22:34] <rx78x> sorry, until this morning
[22:34] <evilaim> Well, my dual core 1 gig of ram runs ubuntu flawlessly
[22:34] <rx78x> any help is mucho appreciated :)
[22:34] <evilaim> but I'll be upgrading to 4 gigs soon enough
[22:34] <evilaim> and then I should be good for while
[22:34] <Olimpico> Now I{m upgradeing also the other computer, maybe is just an incompatibility issue
[22:35] <MichRT> I'm back
[22:35] <evilaim> Wb, back.
[22:35] <RussellAlan> I'm Russell
[22:35] <carlosgaldino> how could i change the options on grub? i installed the 2.6.32 kernel release and want to boot using it, but the grub loads automatically, i want edit the time to choose an option
[22:36] <yoritomo> ectropy cynthia in alsamixer i did not know immediately the problem, it needs to use right arrow to browse more volume bars
[22:36] <yoritomo>  now i know thanks all for that
[22:36]  * evilaim dances *
[22:36] <Olimpico> alankila, for that kind of system you should use another distro, like Damn Small Linux
[22:36] <Cynthia> yoritomo: ah. And does any slider make your audio volume higher?
[22:37] <alankila> No, lxde works just fine.
[22:37] <evilaim> I guess I should try and setup my media keys
[22:37] <MichRT> Use Xfce at least Olimpico
[22:37] <carlosgaldino> there isn't /boot/grub/menu.lst file here
[22:37] <yofel> carlosgaldino: edit /etc/default/grub for the times and run update-grub, but iirc if you use hidden you need to hold the shift key pressed on boot to get the menu
[22:37] <darthanubis> anyone with a Nvidia card care to try something out for me?
[22:37] <yofel> !grub2 | carlosgaldino
[22:38] <evilaim> ugh
[22:38] <evilaim> I hate setting up hot keys
[22:38] <MichRT> darthanubis, whats the problem?
[22:38] <yoritomo> Cynthia yes, looks like all my problems resolved
[22:38] <Cynthia> good :)
[22:38] <yoritomo> just another thing about sound
[22:38] <alankila> As an anecdote, I think jaunty shipped with a version of pango that lost some 6 MB of RAM every time you read the dejavu-sans font into RAM. The bug was that it allocated 256k of memory for every truetype font table, but forgot to resize the tables to the actual size demanded by the tables.
[22:38] <MichRT> darthanubis, I have an NVidia card. I just don't know your problem
[22:38] <alankila> now that was just a splendid bug on a 128 MB system
[22:38] <yofel> darthanubis: what needs testing?
[22:39] <hzlocky>  Hi, i have a problems installing ubuntu(ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386),  when I am trying to boot from cd, I have got message: "1. FD 1.44MB System Type-(06)" and installer never start! Can anyone help??
[22:39] <Cynthia> alankila: ouch
[22:39] <yoritomo> under karmic using the same procedure for jaunty no way to compile dssi-vst, how comes
[22:39] <alankila> Cynthia: you nailed it
[22:39] <MichRT> hzlocky, Which version of Ubuntu do you have?
[22:39] <hzlocky> MichRT: ila> Cynthia: you nailed it
[22:39] <hzlocky> /00:39:29/ <MichRT
[22:39] <Cynthia> hzlocky: that sounds like a BIOS boot order setup problem, that's not really within the scope of #ubuntu+1
[22:39] <hzlocky> MichRT: sorry, ubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386
[22:40] <darthanubis> MichRT, yofel , ok I use the invest applet right?
[22:40] <yofel> hzlocky: if you really are using the 9.04 image please ask in #ubuntu
[22:40] <MichRT> It sounds like a floppy problem
[22:40] <yofel> darthanubis: what's that?
[22:40] <hzlocky> Cynthia: no, it is not, all is ok
[22:40] <MichRT> but yofel is right, use #ubuntu hzlocky
[22:40] <darthanubis> and when I click the applet to reveal the actual stocks it drops down of the desktop from the panel
[22:40] <darthanubis> click the applet again and it retracts, but leaves a ghost outline of where it was
[22:40] <darthanubis> that is a problem
[22:40] <hzlocky> MichRT: ok, but they never answer
[22:41] <carlosgaldino> yofel, how should i edit the file?
[22:41] <MichRT> darthanubis: which version of AWN are you using?
[22:41] <MichRT> hzlocky: OK, just wanted you to try
[22:41] <darthanubis> http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/23154494?c=1477195&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzE1MTgyMi1VYnVudHUtOTEwLUFscGhhMy1qZG9uZy1Td2VldC1tZWF0
[22:41] <darthanubis> that is a photo of the effect
[22:41] <darthanubis> and this applet is not a part of AWn if that is why you asked
[22:41] <darthanubis> this is a Gnome applet
[22:42] <yofel> carlosgaldino: use 'gksu gedit <file>' or 'kdesudo kate <file' depending on what you're using. Did you read the wiki page?
[22:42] <carlosgaldino> yofel, i'm reading
[22:42] <yoritomo> cynthia http://pastebin.com/mb5c19c6
[22:42] <MichRT> Oh...... Sorry, read you wrong darthanubis. Which NVidia driver are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:42] <Cynthia> darthanubis: bug 428783, this was fixed already
[22:44] <luca> hi everyone
[22:44] <MichRT> darthanubis: just try to update Ubuntu
[22:44] <yofel> hey luca
[22:44] <luca> help please, grub2 list of available kernels was not updated correctly and now I can't even boot inside Ubuntu :(
[22:45] <yoritomo> impossible to compile dssi-vst-0.8 under karmic of course i did like for jaunty and i checked carefully the page of linuxmao
[22:45] <hzlocky> MichRT: by the way, thank you, I found that I am tried to install i386 version on comp Athlon64)))
[22:45] <darthanubis> MichRT, I stay very updated. Like by the hour.
[22:45] <Cynthia> luca: run update-grub from a liveCD
[22:45] <yoritomo> http://pastebin.com/mb5c19c6
[22:45] <darthanubis> video[nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] @ Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller]
[22:45] <darthanubis> I have the latest everythin
[22:45] <Cynthia> hzlocky: that should not cause a problem
[22:45] <MichRT> Oh...... Sorry, read you wrong darthanubis. Which NVidia driver are you using, and what card do you have?
[22:45] <carlosgaldino> luca, is that you who told me to install the 2.6.32 kernel?
[22:45] <hzlocky> Cynthia: otherwise, I dont have any idea
[22:46] <Cynthia> hzlocky: I had 32-bit Jaunty on an intel core 2 duo