[00:01] <LupusNoctis> Anyone have the cmdline syntax handy for making the default 13.04 Desktop GUI non-3d accelerated?  I think that's why everything but the system elements and TTY are a black blank screen for me
[00:03] <kostkon> LupusNoctis, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/04/no-unity-here-enable-classic-gnome-in-ubuntu-13-04/
[00:05] <zykotick9> LupusNoctis: did you install an out-of-repo ati/nvidia driver?
[00:07] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know winconn? Is it the ultimate solution? or is there any better equivalent?
[00:07] <vfw> mojtaba: For what?  (What is winconn?)
[00:08] <mojtaba> vfw: it is for using windows apps in linux.
[00:08] <mojtaba> anybody else?
[00:08] <tylerehome> ok, so I put up with unity for 17 hours...which is about 16.9 longer than I thought...e17 time now though
[00:08] <vfw> mojtaba: But there are very few windows apps one would need.  Right?
[00:09] <ThothCastel> vfw: working now than ks!
[00:09] <elisa87> can anyone please help me with this error? libtool: install: error: relink `libpcreposix.la' with the above command before installing it
[00:09] <LupusNoctis> zykotick9: this is just a base install from the latest distro, with the internet updates enabled
[00:09] <LupusNoctis> haven't done any funny stuff yet, other than enable/disable the "3d accel" setting in the VirtualBox VM
[00:09] <vfw> ThothCastel: What?
[00:10] <ThothCastel> vfw SSH connection
[00:10] <LupusNoctis> I'm guessing there are special distro images for use inside VMs, or something.
[00:10] <vfw> ThothCastel: Oh.  You got it working?
[00:11] <mojtaba> vfw: Yes, but at the end there is no limitation!
[00:11] <kboodu> Can someone point me at a documented source on why it's bad to next mounts on Linux?
[00:12] <vfw> kboodu: "next mounts"?
[00:12] <kboodu> Why you should not mount the following drives ( / (/dev/sdc1), /var (/dev/sdd1), /var/data1 (/dev/mapper/vg_data) , /var/data1/info ( /dev/mapper/vg_data_info) as an example.  I need a FINE manual to point to
[00:12] <kboodu> Err, nested mounts
[00:13] <kboodu> It's too late on a Friday....and I shouldn't be trying to "prove" this.
[00:13] <Ben64> kboodu: what?
[00:13] <vfw> mojtaba: I've used wine, but not winconn
[00:13] <kboodu> Ben64: Nested mounts...
[00:13] <vfw> mojtaba: I've also used VB
[00:14] <kboodu> Shouldn't use the term drives...<sigh>  Mount points.
[00:14] <Ben64> kboodu: could you explain what you're saying in english
[00:14] <kboodu>  the root filesystem / is /dev/sdc1
[00:14] <mojtaba> vfw: please check its website
[00:15] <lenswipe> hey guys
[00:15] <kboodu>  then /var is mounted (/dev/sdd1)
[00:15] <kostkon> kboodu, what would you want to do that?
[00:15] <kboodu> but then they mount /dev/mapper/data1 as /var/data
[00:15] <lenswipe> for some reason my girlfriend's macbook (previously running ubuntu) shows the ubuntu loading screen for a split second and then just shows a black screen
[00:15] <lenswipe> can someone help?
[00:15] <kboodu> and then /dev/mapper/vg_info as /var/data/info
[00:15] <lenswipe> I've tried purging the MBR and grub and re-installing both - no change
[00:16] <Ben64> kboodu: ok, is there a question related to ubuntu support anywhere in there?
[00:16] <lenswipe> and because ubuntu isn't giving me any more detailed info than a black screen I don't really know what direction to go in
[00:16] <lenswipe> I do have a log from the boot repair I can link to though if that would help
[00:16] <lenswipe> does anyone have any idea what might be up with this?
[00:16] <Ben64> !nomodeset | lenswipe
[00:16] <kboodu> And no, I would NOT want to do that.  But I'm not able to convince anyone else it's bad (because if you lose anything in ther you lose everythign underneath).
[00:16] <kboodu> Ben64: Why would you do that on Ubuntu or ANY linux system?
[00:17] <lenswipe> Ben64, it's s macbook
[00:17] <kboodu> Is there something in the Ubuntu documentation to NOT do that.
[00:17] <SunTsu> lenswipe: Google might have been a good start: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[00:17] <lenswipe> SunTsu, >.<
[00:17] <Ben64> lenswipe: ok? the factoid is still relevant
[00:17] <lenswipe> SunTsu, Ben64, it worked fine before - this crap started when I tried to upgrade
[00:17] <kostkon> kboodu, test it on a vm and observe the results, the scientific way
[00:17] <Ben64> lenswipe: upgrade from what to what
[00:18] <RJ45> my System Monitor has a network  MB counter, how do I reset it?  (it's the one that comes default with Ubuntu 10.04)
[00:18] <kostkon> kboodu, have the other person next to you
[00:18] <lenswipe> upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 so that I can continue to upgrade to the newest one
[00:18] <lenswipe> ben^
[00:18] <lenswipe> Ben64, ^
[00:18] <vfw> mojtaba: Interesting...
[00:18] <kboodu> kostkon: It's doable.  It's NOT a good idea.  I'm looking for documentation explaining WHY.
[00:18] <SunTsu> lenswipe: yeah, lots of people had that issue. Did you try to do what that wiki page suggests?
[00:18] <Ben64> lenswipe: 12.04 is the latest LTS, but you should still try nomodeset or what SunTsu linked to
[00:18] <kostkon> kboodu, right
[00:18] <kboodu> kostkon: Something I can point.
[00:19] <lenswipe> SunTsu, I will look now - it's doubly difficult because the laptop is my girlfriend's and she's in the US and I'm doing this over teamviewer
[00:19] <lenswipe> err google hangout*
[00:19] <lenswipe> Ben64, okay - thanks
[00:19] <elisa87> If you know the answer to this question please answer it http://askubuntu.com/questions/308378/installing-pcre-from-source-make-install-error
[00:20] <checoimg> I stopped upgrading some time ago because of this kind of problems
[00:22] <melow01> I'm trying to play an audio.wav file out of my headphone jack in Ubuntu Server. suggestions?
[00:24] <EDocToor> Help Please: I have a 3 boot PC; XP, EMC2 Ubuntu 10.04, and a FAILED X issue with my Newly installed Ubuntu 12.04 32bit.. as the grub boots it into a colorful unoccupied desktop; I assume that the Graphic's is the issue as my Ubuntu 10.04 loads the graphics quite fine.
[00:24] <elisa87> libpcre3 is already the newest version.
[00:25] <vfw> checoimg: Which kind of problem?
[00:25]  * bellasbells waves at msdaisy
[00:25] <bellasbells> EDocToor: what graphics card are you using?
[00:26] <kostkon> melow01, does it even come with alsa?
[00:26] <vfw> EDocToor: "a colorful unoccupied desktop"?
[00:27] <EDocToor> vfw... HANGGED / LOCKED.. I don't know..
[00:27] <EDocToor> bellasbells, brb.. looking now
[00:27] <vfw> EDocToor: How about tty6?
[00:27] <zykotick9> melow01: do you have alsamixer installed?  probably in the alsa-utils package.
[00:28] <EDocToor> vfw, I don't understand tty6
[00:28] <vfw> EDocToor: Ctrl-Alt-F6
[00:28] <SpaceManiac> vfw: removing some several-GB directories still left me at 100%, here's du -sm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5766374/ - nothing seems to be taking up that much space
[00:28] <msdaisy> lol hi bellasbells
[00:29] <zykotick9> SpaceManiac: ncdu might help?  is this ext formatted or fat/ntfs?
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> SpaceManiac, There s a root trash, I set mine to delete/bypass this trash.
[00:29] <wilee-nilee> is*
[00:30] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: root trash?  what?
[00:30] <melow01> kostkon, no, I installed alsa
[00:30] <SpaceManiac> zykotick9: no ncdu installed, pretty sure it's ext4
[00:31] <zykotick9> SpaceManiac: ncdu isn't installed by default - but it's mightly helpful...
[00:31] <melow01> zykotick9, yes, I verified audio levels with alsamixer but no output
[00:31] <EDocToor> vfw, this time the boot stopped with this error: /dev/disk/by-jaljdlsjflsjdf does not exist...
[00:31] <SpaceManiac> zykotick9: full disk.
[00:31] <EDocToor> I guess I mucked it up for good eh
[00:31] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I believe so, there is a folder for deleted stuff if you gksudo nautilus, I think.
[00:31] <EDocToor> the video card is nvidia
[00:31] <zykotick9> SpaceManiac: that sucks... good luck.
[00:31] <EDocToor> I have to power down to look at the card
[00:31] <SpaceManiac> wilee-nilee: just rm -rf'd them, not nautilus
[00:32] <vfw> EDocToor: NOt sure what that means.
[00:32] <wilee-nilee> ah
[00:32] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: you're right, i'd believe is you do silly thinks like "gksudo nautilus" that silly things will happen...  but hey MUCH better then just using sudo ;)
[00:32] <EDocToor> vfw... it means that my grub needs to be updated/reinstalled
[00:32] <kostkon> melow01, as already suggested, check your volume levels and switches in alsamixer.
[00:32] <EDocToor> do I have to reinstall ubuntu to reinstall the grub
[00:33] <vfw> !grub | EDocToor
[00:33] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, I rarely gksudo nautilus, mainly to just set that trash closed, like I do in home.
[00:33] <melow01> kostkon, thanks, ya i checked those
[00:33] <Eclipse> that reminds me, damn windows 7 overwrote both of my partitions a few weeks ago
[00:33] <msdaisy> EDocToor: no. look at the link.
[00:33] <EDocToor> Awesome vfw... that should get me going
[00:34] <EDocToor> msdaisy, what? link
[00:34] <Eclipse> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-pMZd1fupw
[00:35] <EDocToor> the error was Gave up waiting for root device
[00:35] <EDocToor> disk... does not exist
[00:35] <wilee-nilee> zykotick9, Honestly you never know what a user has done, I assume anything. ;)
[00:35] <msdaisy> ugh
[00:37] <LupusNoctis> Yeah, this really just is not working.   Back to using  Win7  in  Windows Virtual PC,  I suppose
[00:38] <zykotick9> wilee-nilee: that's a "safe" assumption ;)
[00:40] <SpaceManiac> hm
[00:40] <melow01> kostkon, my server is command line only, is that an issue?
[00:40] <l-sannin> :O
[00:40] <kostkon> melow01, not really
[00:40] <l-sannin> yeah
[00:40] <melow01> kostkon, ok
[00:40] <l-sannin> nice only commad lin
[00:40] <l-sannin> e
[00:41] <MJX> ?
[00:44] <LupusNoctis> Hmm, perhaps v12 behaves better inside Virtualbox
[00:44] <melow01> using lsmod, how do I know which device is my default audio card?
[00:47] <ultraParadigm> Pls rescue me!  My startup items don't work, and when I delete the items in ./config/autostart they come back by themselves!
[00:48] <ultraParadigm> My Ubuntu is haunted!
[00:48] <dr_willis> what items
[00:48] <ultraParadigm> things like...
[00:48] <ultraParadigm> guake.desktop, gnome-do.desktop, psensor.desktop
[00:49] <ultraParadigm> stuff I put in there a while ago
[00:49] <dr_willis> but they dont startup anyway?
[00:49] <ultraParadigm> I made a new session that runs compiz and cairo-dock but no gnome shell, and now the start up items don't start.
[00:49] <ultraParadigm> and I can't clear them either lol
[00:50] <dr_willis> so they dont start.. and thats what you want isent it?
[00:51] <dr_willis> compiz dosent read that directory as far as I know.
[00:51] <ultraParadigm> I go to .config/autostart and do "rm *"  they all get deleted, but then later on they come back.  Especially if I go to startup applications in setup and remove them from there to, then they come back immediately
[00:51] <ultraParadigm> No I want the start up items to work, but I'm trying to clear them first so I can redo them.
[00:51] <EDocToor> Enter rescue mode Question: "Device to use a root file system:" with a TRIPPLE boot XP, Ubuntu old compiled for EMC2, and Ubuntu CURRENT.. what would I select? /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /devsda4 or Do not use a root file system
[00:53] <mwalker|here> *waves* I've got a 13.04 server that's having some issues; my best thought currently is seemingly related to proc either not being mounted, or somehow being mounted with the wrong permissions. anyone know what is actually responsible for mounting proc? This is the log line I'm currently chasing down "libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-module.c:1567 kmod_module_new_from_loaded: could not open /proc/modules: No such file or directory"
[00:55] <mwalker|here> EDocToor: that would depend on what you're attempting to do -- since you're unsure you might be best just not using a root fs and let it boot to a ramdisk
[00:55] <EDocToor> nwalker|here thanks
[00:58] <SpaceManiac> where in the world is my disk space going
[00:58] <Ben64> could be open files
[00:58] <Serraphyn> This might be OT and if so i'll go ask somewhere else, I just installed 13.04 and was wondering how I could setup the system to work as the gateway for all my internet, basically Modem -> Ubuntu -> my internal router(wifi) that has DHCP already going on it.  My idea is to hookup my android phone to the ubuntu box as a second internet when my cable internet goes down.
[01:00] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: I dont think you understand how routing works. you could use the ubuntu phone as a second internet connection.
[01:00] <msdaisy> but not the ubuntu os on a computer.
[01:02] <Serraphyn> msdaisy, I think you misunderstood what i was wanting to do.  I'm not really super concerned with the phone aspect right now anyways. I'm wanting to setup my ubuntu 13.04 box as a gateway, it has 2 physical Wired LAN cards to accomplish this already installed and working
[01:02] <Ben64> Serraphyn: you have a router.. it does a better job at being a router than your computer would
[01:02] <dr_willis> ! ics
[01:03] <Serraphyn> Ben64, again not the point
[01:03] <SpaceManiac> Ben64: I don't think I have >half my hard drive of open files
[01:04] <Ben64> SpaceManiac: restart into single user mode and check free space again
[01:04] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: then help us understand. what do you want to accomplish by having ubuntu ad the gateway?
[01:05] <Serraphyn> msdaisy, partly I want to use it to control the internet connections to the internal system. Right now I just have a Buffalo Router which is fine, but it wont allow for more then one form of internet connection at a time.
[01:05] <Daughain> Morning, all.
[01:08] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: I don't know what that means "to control internet connections to the internal connections." it sounds to me like you just need a better router. can you install dd-wrt on the buffalo router?
[01:08] <Ben64> and you can't really use more than one form of internet at a time
[01:09] <Serraphyn> Redundancy is the reason Ben64
[01:09] <Serraphyn> If one internet goes down, I want the other to kick in
[01:09] <LupusNoctis> Oh, DD-WRT will do that, Backup WAN connections
[01:09] <LupusNoctis> even Load balancing, perhaps
[01:10] <Ben64> load balancing requires better hardware
[01:10] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, I wasn't able to find anything about using android phone pass thru for that
[01:10] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: again, the solution would be to tether your computer to your phone and use the cell data
[01:10] <LupusNoctis> Surprised the Buffalo doesn't do that straight off, they are a higher end router far as I've encountered
[01:10] <LupusNoctis> Oh, hmm,  a USB tethered phone as the backup WAN?  that could be trickier
[01:12] <Ben64> some buffalos come with dd-wrt preinstalled
[01:12] <Elegant> hi
[01:12] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, awesome routers tbh, I'm glad I spent the 250 for it, amazing wif signal, just my isp has gone down a few times lately during the day for a few hours a time and we need our debit machine for credit/debit cards to stay active.
[01:13] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: then you need a different ISP
[01:14] <Serraphyn> msdaisy, thats not a real solution tbh, all ISPs have down time. I'm setting up something for reliability
[01:14] <LupusNoctis> Serra: is there another provider you can use, that end up in an Ethernet termination?
[01:14] <LupusNoctis> because it's easiest to backup/LB two ethernet WAN ports
[01:15] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, I know but I'd rather have my cell phone as the second cause it would only cost me like 20$ if we go down for a few days even once in a bit vs having a perm second recycling bill.  I'll figure it out and make a wiki or something on how to do it.
[01:16] <Ben64> Serraphyn: solution is to keep your phone tethered 24/7?
[01:16] <Serraphyn> Ben64, when its down yes, I hate my cell phone anyways.
[01:16] <LupusNoctis> oh, this is something You'd manually configure?
[01:16] <Ben64> would be easier to get a dialup connection lol
[01:16] <LupusNoctis> If it were manual, then what you could do
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> is set up a different, cheap router in Wifi access mode
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> and use it to Extend the phone's Wifi net sharing
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> and connect the debit terms to that ethernet
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> WiFi repeater/Extender mode, rather
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> then, just swap out that router for the Buffalo on the network side
[01:17] <LupusNoctis> power cycle the debit terms to get new DHCP, and off ya go
[01:18] <LupusNoctis> You follow?
[01:18] <Serraphyn> Ben64, my phone comes from my internet carrier and the both go down at same time.
[01:19] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, yes I know what you mean but thats not the solution I want. I can make this actually auto switch I juust have to figure out how to setup the tethering
[01:19] <LupusNoctis> Look into how to Tether USB modems to the Buffalo
[01:19] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: lol. get a verizon mifi card. or some other cell data plan
[01:20] <Serraphyn> msdaisy, again the plan I'm on is actually cheaper monthly if I max out my cell data as I have LTE service and it works fine.
[01:20] <Serraphyn> Max I pay a month for 10G of data would be 50$ were as a mifi of the cheatest calibur would be 90$ a month even if I don't use it all
[01:21] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: i understand. but if you're looking for reliable enterprise-worthy failover then you need a mifi or something.
[01:22] <LupusNoctis> The lowest level plan from an alt DSL provider is probably a better config, Serra.
[01:22] <LupusNoctis> or, if your main is DSL, a cable provider
[01:22] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, lowest cost DSL would be about 40 a month, every month
[01:23] <LupusNoctis> Is it worth $40 to keep your POS terminals up?  That's a business class decision, not a tech one :)
[01:23] <LupusNoctis> but, there should be a way to get a USB device recognized by the buffalo
[01:23] <LupusNoctis> I know they work with USB HDD devices.
[01:24] <LupusNoctis> DD-WRT might have more on how USB WAN modems would work
[01:24] <janof> can anyone confimr what the best way to re-import a pgp key is?
[01:24] <Serraphyn> LupusNoctis, I just want to use a gateway device to manage this
[01:24] <LupusNoctis> some buffalo's run DD-WRT stock
[01:24] <janof> my computer crashed on me
[01:24] <msdaisy> Serraphyn: Crunch the numbers. How much are a few hours of down time worth to you in sales? pay that much for a backup plan.
[01:25] <LupusNoctis> Oh, hmm, what's that linux distro that tries to virtualize a bunch of networking related components.... hmm
[01:25] <jason_hudson> Hello everyone, I'm having some difficulties understanding some "features" of Ubuntu Online Accounts, whenever I try to set an empathy account up I'm taken to the Online Accounts tab where I'm supposed to configure them, now, instead of asking me my data Ubuntu is taking me to a web page within that tab where I'm supposed to log in, whenever I log into a service (let's say Google) I'm told that the data will be handled accordi
[01:25] <jason_hudson> ng to Google's and Ubuntu's (Canonical's?) policies. Does that mean that Canonical is going to store my data on their server? I don't seem to understand how it works (there's also a legal notice that's quite confusing); could anyone explain this to me? Maybe back it up with some official documentation IF POSSIBLE, many thanks in advance.
[01:25] <jason_hudson> Wall o' text. :S
[01:28] <husnainlatif> jason_hudson, whenever i try to login to facebook on empathy, it opens up the default browser and logs me in there -_-
[01:29] <husnainlatif> and xchat, and ubuntu is great so far
[01:29] <ccc> hello
[01:29] <husnainlatif> hi ccc
[01:29] <ccc> i installed disk mount utility
[01:29] <ccc> gnome i think
[01:29] <ccc> how do i actually run the application?
[01:30] <vfw> ccc: Don't use Enter for puncuaton.
[01:30] <jason_hudson> husnainlatif, I only tried GTalk so far, with Empathy and it also logged Shotwell on Picasa. I don't understand where the data is stored though. Can't seem to understand if Canonical is being a middle-man or just putting a legal notice to tell us that that one app (User Accounts) logs into all of my account's services even if I only use one (and thus the data is stored locally).
[01:30] <vfw> ccc: What is a "disk mount utility"?
[01:31] <ccc> i download gnome disk utility from the software center
[01:31] <Daughain> Hey, are there any kind of time widgets under Unity?
[01:31] <ccc> but i do not know ho to lauch the utility
[01:31] <husnainlatif> time widget? isn't the default clock enough?
[01:31] <Daughain> I need four timezones.
[01:32] <Daughain> Other than local time.
[01:32] <naryfa> ccc: I think its called disks when it's installed
[01:32] <kostkon> Daughain, you can add more i think
[01:32] <husnainlatif> you can do that with the default clock as well Daughain
[01:32] <naryfa> ccc: hit alt+F2 and type disks
[01:33] <Daughain> husnainlatif, Ok, I need to look into that then.....Still getting used to Unity.
[01:34] <husnainlatif> Daughain,  time & date settings > clock tab >  choose locations...
[01:34] <husnainlatif> hope that helps
[01:34] <Daughain> husnainlatif, do they all display?
[01:35] <husnainlatif> in the dropdown, yes
[01:35] <husnainlatif> i'll bbl.
[01:35] <janof> with PGP, if i lost my private key, but i have my public key, revoke.asc, and i have my passphrase, is it possible to get my private key back?
[01:36] <th0r> janof: no, I don't think so
[01:36] <Tylerjd> Is there a way to do a full disk scan on a hard drive that is reporting bad sectors and it finds that it does not actually have bad sectors it will... re-enable those sectors per say?
[01:36] <Daughain> Thanks.Thats a strat, at least. =)
[01:36] <Daughain> Start
[01:37] <janof> th0r, since i have the revoke, i can just take it back and make a new key right?
[01:39] <th0r> janof: revoking doesn't actually "take it back". The old key is still out there, but marked as revoked. And yes, that would be how you handle it, revoke the old one and create a new key pair
[01:41] <sesshomaru> hey, I'm running 12.04 and I'm looking for an IBM 5250 terminal emulator, and so far the only package I found was for lucid.
[01:49] <elisa87>  can I install Windows 8 after I have installed Ubuntu?
[01:49] <vfw> sesshomaru:  tn5250
[01:49] <dr_willis> best to install windows first.
[01:49] <dr_willis> bestest  put both on their own hard drive  B-)
[01:50] <dr_willis> less fighting with grub that way
[01:50] <EDocToor> dr_willis, If one would put both on their own hard drive.. where would the grub be located
[01:51] <EDocToor> or be put
[01:51] <dr_willis> either hd.. or both..
[01:51] <dr_willis> I keep it on the linyx hd.
[01:51] <naryfa> dr_willis: I agree with the hard drives, I've always done it this way
[01:51] <EDocToor> wouldn't it be best to put the grub on the linux
[01:51] <dr_willis> that way windows is totally untouched
[01:51] <EDocToor> one.. in case you remove the linix drive
[01:52] <EDocToor> that way winddows is totally untouched
[01:52] <dr_willis> ive seen people keep grub on a external usb  as a "security" feature
[01:53] <dr_willis> grub is flexible
[01:53] <naryfa> well, use another thumb drive and you boot it, where's the security
[01:53] <EDocToor> Understood.. the grub is flexible... I am wrong
[01:53] <EDocToor> the grub must be on the WINDOWS drive
[01:54] <EDocToor> because if you remove the linix drive with the grub on it.. the grub won't
[01:54] <EDocToor> be there to load windows
[01:54] <EDocToor> is that right
[01:55] <EDocToor> naryfa, YOUR OBviously correct
[01:55] <dr_willis> with 2 hds.. no
[01:55] <dr_willis> gurb and linux can stay on its iwn hd
[01:55] <dr_willis> the windows bootloader stays on the windows hd.
[01:55] <RoDiMuS-X> How does Grub work with UEFI?
[01:56] <vfw> !uefi |
[01:56] <EDocToor> dr_willis, what happens if you remove the linux hard drive with the grub on the Linux drive?
[01:56] <EDocToor> will windows work
[01:56] <SpaceManiac> Gah....
[01:59] <msdaisy> EDocToor: you understand that grub is in the boot sector, it runs before windows or ubuntu. right?
[01:59] <SpaceManiac> The darn thing won't boot into recovery mode
[02:02] <EDocToor> elisa87, I would remove the Ubuntu drive.. and put in a new drive for Windows 8 to be installed on... after the install; put back the Ubuntu drive.. and recreate the grub on the WINDOWS drive.. therefore if you remove the UBUNTU drive the Grub.. will still BE on your computer and it will be able to find WINDOWS... Less headache that way... in my opinion..
[02:02] <sesshomaru> hey, I'm running 12.04 and I'm looking for an IBM 5250 terminal emulator, and so far the only package I found was for lucid.
[02:03] <exogen> hello, my kernel load only one cpu but I have two. Can I load the second at runtime?
[02:03] <exogen> normal loads two CPUs but after last reboot was only one loaded. Don't know why.
[02:03] <dr_willis> EDocToor: windows boots normally then. its untouched
[02:04] <dr_willis> with a dual hd system. keep grub on the linux hd.
[02:05] <vfw> sesshomaru:  tn5250
[02:05] <dr_willis> !info tn5250
 with a dual hd system. keep grub on the linux hd. ... This didn't work for me in the past.. Thanks for the update
[02:05] <dr_willis> !find  tn5250
[02:06] <dr_willis> EDocToor:  worked for me for years..
[02:06] <EDocToor> dr_willis
[02:06] <dr_willis> bios boots the linuc hd.. grub can then boot the windows hd.
[02:06] <SpaceManiac> Well rebooting fixed it somehoe
[02:06] <EDocToor> your an expert.. but
[02:06] <sesshomaru> thats the issue, is there another package thats compatible?  All I see is a 3270 emulator, but I don't want a printer emulation.
[02:06] <dr_willis> remove linux hd.. windows boots first with its normal bootloader
[02:07] <EDocToor> dr_willis, good to know
[02:07] <EDocToor> thanks
[02:08] <vfw> dr_willis: sesshomaru http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/dapper/man1/tn5250.1.html#contenttoc4
[02:09] <ditchwindows> any difference between WUBI and installing linux with an USB?
[02:09] <EDocToor> dr_willis, one more related question... ONE hard drive with XP pro.. and Ubuntu partitioned... where do you put the GRUB
[02:09] <SpaceManiac> Any recommendations for USB wifi adapters for ubuntu?
[02:09] <utusan> put in primary bot HD
[02:09] <utusan> boot*
[02:09] <psusi> ditchwindows, yes, Wubi installs the system in a file inside the Windows partition... not recommended
[02:10] <utusan> netgear or linksys
[02:11] <EDocToor> utusan, thanks...
[02:11] <ditchwindows> psusi: i am currently running Win7, i would prefer to have dual boot, if i install ubuntu onto another partition will i have to recover the grub? or will it recognize that i have both and create the boot menu for both?
[02:11] <dr_willis> EDocToor: only place it could go normally.. the mbr of the hd.
[02:11] <sesshomaru> ditchwindows: That's generally how it goes
[02:11] <chrisirc> I'm trying to help a singer use Ubuntu. He's got a lot of music (mp3, wma, some wav), and I wonder how to help him best organize that.
[02:11] <psusi> ditchwindows, if you install Ubuntu after windows, it will recognize Windows and add an entry to boot it to the grub menu
[02:12] <dr_willis> SpaceManiac:  i read reviews in amazon to see whats ines worked with no hassles.  ;-)
[02:12] <vfw> chrisirc: Only he can organize his files.
[02:13] <ignore_me> ditchwindows: Willl usually work unless you have the damnable software raid. It locks onto windows, hard.
[02:13] <chrisirc> I'm pretty firm on "organize things in the filesystem", but not being a music collector myself, I haven't had to deal with lots of songs. Also, he's not a very advanced computer user, plus handling files in Ubuntu's file manager isn't perfect, etc.
[02:13] <EDocToor> ditchwindows, Ubuntu is so easy to install after windows... the updated grub will include windows... but it will default to loading ubuntu.. if your not there to select windows
[02:14] <chrisirc> vfw, I'm looking for tips on tools to support that
[02:14] <chrisirc> or approaches.
[02:14] <chrisirc> Someone who's done it.
[02:14] <chrisirc> *from
[02:15] <utusan> chrisirc: try kubuntu/amarok/nepomuk
[02:16] <utusan> EDocToor: you can change default in grub
[02:16] <msdaisy> psusi: you can run sudo update-grub to... update grub after the installation.
[02:17] <vfw> chrisirc: Put them all in one directory.
[02:17] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, quick question. Can I use dd to put a Windows ISO on a flash drive?
[02:18] <msdaisy> DreamPCs: if it's an exact copy then it should be bootable, right?
[02:19] <SpaceManiac> What does it mean when apt-get upgrade says linux-generic is 'held back'?
[02:19] <chrisirc> utusan, why kubuntu? I can't find nepomuk; thanks for the hint on amarok, are you using it with a big collection?
[02:19] <DreamPCs> I'd imagine so, I just didn't know if dd was for linux distros or if it works univerally.
[02:19] <DreamPCs> *universally
[02:20] <dr_willis> dd for an windows iso.. depends on the windows version also
[02:20] <DreamPCs> XP? SP3?
[02:20] <dr_willis> #windows should know what ones work
[02:20] <dr_willis> xp i would say no.
[02:20] <dr_willis> win7 might. ive heard win8 does
[02:21] <DreamPCs> Ok, cool, thanks for the info.
[02:21] <utusan> chrisirc: amarok is the front end/music player but uses nepomuk and/or strigi for indexing
[02:21] <chrisirc> vfw, and I told you that the file manager in Ubuntu isn't the best?
[02:21] <dr_willis> SpaceManiac:  try 'sudp apt-get dist-upgrade'
[02:21] <vfw> chrisirc: Chose another
[02:21] <dr_willis> sudo
[02:21] <chrisirc> vfw, and that he's not very savvy?
[02:22] <vfw> chrisirc: I use thunar
[02:22] <dr_willis> nautilus does a decent job.
[02:22] <dr_willis> depends on what your needs are, as to what alternatives are better
[02:22] <chrisirc> good luck with some 5000 music files that way, and wanting to find things, tagging, grouping in various ways.
[02:23] <chrisirc> As I said it clearly seems that the fs without specialized assistance is *not* the way to go.
[02:23] <vfw> chrisirc: So, how does he do it now?
[02:23] <utusan> DreamPCs: if you want to copy the contents of an iso to usb, I think you need to mount it with the loop option
[02:23] <vfw> chrisirc: Again, only he can organize his files.
[02:23] <chrisirc> What are you trying to say?
[02:24] <chrisirc> You're making me angry.
[02:24] <dr_willis> copying the CONTENTS of an iso to usb will definatly not make a bootable usb
[02:24] <ignore_me> Can mediatomb serve files to a ps3?
[02:24] <dr_willis> ignore_me:  i think so.     most dlna servers can
[02:24] <dr_willis> or have options for ps3
[02:24] <dr_willis> which may need enabled
[02:25] <vfw> chrisirc: Place them all in the same directory and use search optons to find what you want.  If the files are named appropriately, you'll find them.  Not much more to it than that.
[02:25] <Guest18299> dr_willis: is there a screen saver incluced in 13.04 or do i need to get one
[02:25] <ignore_me> Hmm. Must be something weird in the config file. Didn't really want to use ps3 media server, uses java.
[02:25] <dr_willis> Guest18299:  never noticed one.. nedeer needed one why to you 'need' one.. there are some in the repos
[02:26] <dr_willis> ignore_me:  i recall ushare and minidlna having ps3 options in their configs
[02:26] <Guest18299> dr_willis: i just have the memory of a dudes laptop screen had an image burned into it
[02:26] <dr_willis> !info xscreensaver
[02:27] <dr_willis> Guest18299:  thats why we have auto-monitor off settings
[02:27] <sere> ignore_me: yea believe so.. my favorite is minidlna server.. pretty straight forward
[02:27] <chrisirc> Thanks, utusan.
[02:27] <Guest18299> dr_willis: so what screen don't need screen savers for that purpose anymore, they are just a privicy thing now
[02:27] <Guest18299> dr_willis: is that in display in seattings
[02:27] <Guest18299> *settngs
[02:28] <dr_willis> more of a power/energy saveing thing these days
[02:28] <dr_willis> look and see.. im not on a ubuntu box
[02:28] <utusan> chrisirc: I think amarok is worth checking into.  It has options to use mysql for your database
[02:29] <ignore_me> sere: Thanks. Didn't see those. Tried mediatomb and rygel. Both were duds, although they worked on older installs
[02:29] <Guest18299> well i had my lappy on last night and i came back this morning, after a fresh install and my mouse wouldn't respond so i don't know if there is a sleep someware thats causing the harddive to sleep and not wake
[02:29] <Guest18299> or the mouse to just stop responding
[02:30] <dr_willis> suspend/hibernate can cause issues on some hardware.
[02:30] <dr_willis> reboot and see if thr mouse works, suspeend
[02:30] <sere> is there a good light weight media player.. i have been bouncing back and forth between rhythmbox and banshee but they so much memory
[02:30] <dr_willis> then resume and see if it stops
[02:30] <dr_willis> sere:  depends on your needs
[02:31] <jrib> sere: try mplayer I guess.  Why do you need lightweight?
[02:31] <ignore_me> sere: Parole for video or gmusicbrowser.
[02:31] <dr_willis> theres a huge varity os music players in the repos
[02:32] <sere> ignore_me: yea i know what you mean.. xbmc is another good one, but its so heavy
[02:32] <dr_willis> plex - is an interesting alternative to xbmc
[02:32] <ignore_me> dr_willis: Yeah, too many. lol Just need one great one - videos, audio, podcast, streams, purchases, device sync. The works.
[02:32] <dr_willis> xbmc runs on my raspberry pi. ;) so ita not heavy.. considering what it does.
[02:33] <Guest18299> ok, so removing suspend on power man, and well see  how that does
[02:33] <sere> dr_willis, jrib, ignore_me : im using an acer mini with 1gb. :x
[02:33] <bazhang> !info audacious | sere
[02:33] <profiler1982> elementary files has problem. crash with custom theme. only with default elementary theme works
[02:33] <dr_willis> !info mpd
[02:34] <depesto> hi
[02:34] <dr_willis> profiler1982:  you may want to check its support/web page/site . since itsa not part of the normal ubuntu repos
[02:34] <ignore_me> sere: run xubuntu on a 5y/old netbook. Runs well with those two options.
[02:35] <depesto> im having a wierd issue installing 13.10
[02:35] <profiler1982> am know. am see then some people not know what is the problem yet
[02:35] <bazhang> !13.10 | depesto
[02:35] <ignore_me> sere: Even xbmc runs fine on it. Don't use full time yet, need the dlna server. lol
[02:35] <depesto> yea
[02:35] <sere> bazhang: i like audacious but its more of a playlist media player.. i like how rhythmbox and banshee can watch your library and has the artist/album views
[02:35] <bazhang> sere, thats not light then
[02:36] <EDocToor> Ok, dr_willis .. I just reinstalled Ubuntu 12.04 a second time using ReUse sda3 and I get msg: Gave up waiting for root device... Aleart.. dev/disk/by-uuid/06396d6d50..... does not exits. and a (initramfs) Prompted... What do I do?
[02:36] <dr_willis> ignore_me:  xbmc can work as a dlna server also ya know
[02:36] <bazhang> depesto, dont ask here about 13.10 it s #ubuntu+1
[02:36] <depesto> ok
[02:36] <sere> bazhang: thats what i was afraid of :x
[02:37] <dr_willis> EDocToor:  try the boot-repair tool from a live cd/usb, and make sure you are booting the right hd first in bios
[02:38] <EDocToor> only one hard drive
[02:38] <dr_willis> then try boot-repair
[02:38] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[02:38] <ignore_me> dr_willis: Just started using it so haven't explored it completely. Netbook running xbmc needs to connect to desktop with the files I need. Sharing sucks on xubuntu so was looking for server to run on desktop to feed xbmc.
[02:38] <EDocToor> where is the boot repair option//tool
[02:38] <EDocToor> link
[02:38] <dr_willis> ignore_me:  xbmc on pc1 can use dlna to xbmc on pc2
[02:39] <dr_willis> ignore_me:  i dont  use samba shares for my videos these days
[02:39] <sere> ignore_me: im on lubuntu with fluxbox as my window manager
[02:40] <dr_willis> plex can work as a dlna server in the background also
[02:41] <ignore_me> dr_willis: Gonna try xbmc now. Samba - bah. One of these days we'll get a great out of the box experience.
[02:41] <dr_willis> samba is not even consideed worth installing by default
[02:41] <dr_willis> ;)
[02:42] <sh_t> hi everyone. I am new to building packages and trying to build my own nginx deb. My understanding is that deb-buildpackage uses the debian/rules file as the Makefile to build the package.. however when I run deb-buildpackage -rfakeroot it's not actually compiling my already ./configure'd source, and the package is built containing only a /usr/share/doc folder within it and no binaries. Any
[02:42] <sh_t> suggestions on what could be wrong herE?
[02:42] <dr_willis> i basically use plex for things these days
[02:43]  * sere hides while removing samba
[02:43] <ignore_me> sere: Sounds speedy. I've tried lu in the past, blazing fast, needed more polish. Really dig xubuntu.Voyager on another box for testing. Precise on a third box.
[02:45] <sere> ignore_me: i have a dell mini right now im working on and think i will put xubuntu .. it does look sexy :p
[02:49] <ignore_me> sere: Oh yeah. Can't beat some built-in compositing while still remaining lightweight. Flat out gorgeous with a tiny bit of work.
[02:54] <Linuxuser> Hi. My suspend mode is broken in Xubuntu. It also was like this in Ubuntu. Whenever i suspend I go to this black screen with some error messages and I have to shutdown and power back on
[02:55] <bazhang> how much ram Linuxuser , how much for swap
[02:57] <dr_willis> check the forums and askubuntu.com for your exact hardware also Linuxuser . your  swap does need to be equal to ram plus a bit more. i recall
[02:57] <bazhang> and give us the exact errors Linuxuser ------> paste.ubuntu.com and give us the URL
[02:57] <Linuxuser> how do I check swap? I have only 2gb of ram on the computer
[02:58] <dr_willis> some hardware may need special boot options to suspend and resume properly
[02:58] <arooni-mobile> hey folks after making a change to my hosts file, im trying to run: "/etc/init.d/networking restart"... but when i do; unity seems to crash.  any ideas on how to do this differently?
[02:58] <dr_willis> arooni-mobile: what are you changeing
[02:58] <Linuxuser> would I need to edit some files?
[02:59] <arooni-mobile> dr_willis, adding sites to redirect to localhost
[02:59] <Linuxuser> how do I find how much ram and swap I have?
[02:59] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:   the    free command  shows swap
[02:59] <EDocToor> apt-get install qparted
[03:00] <dr_willis> arooni-mobile:  i dont recall needing to restart networkung for that
[03:00] <Linuxuser> it says i have 1963004 free
[03:00] <arooni-mobile> dr_willis, ahh really?
[03:00] <dr_willis> try a ping test and see.
[03:00] <Linuxuser> ?
[03:01] <arooni-mobile> dr_willis, i made changes to the /etc/hosts file... and yet those sites are still resolving
[03:01] <EDocToor> Linuxuser, I use the HBCD 15.2 live disk
[03:01] <dr_willis> !swap
[03:01] <EDocToor> has tons of tools on it Linuxuser
[03:01] <dr_willis> arooni-mobile:  i dont recall needing to
[03:02] <arooni-mobile> dr_willis, must the istes to resolve to <IP_ADDRESS> be above all other parts of the hosts files?
[03:02] <Linuxuser> the free command isn't really good
[03:02] <Linuxuser> I converted it to gigs and ti says I only have total 1 MEM
[03:03] <vfw> Linuxuser: 1 MEM ?
[03:03] <ditchwindows> a mem stick?
[03:04] <dr_willis> free shows a lot if info
[03:04] <Linuxuser> ? I'm trying to figure out how much ram
[03:04] <dr_willis> it has a line  labled   swap
[03:05] <dr_willis> free -h    for numbers in mb. i think
[03:05] <vfw> Linuxuser: Pretty obvious, isn't it?
[03:05] <berderquentin> Hi everybody, I have an issue with the setup of my LVM, when I want to mount back I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on". Thoughts?
[03:06] <berderquentin> I put all the information https://hackpad.com/My-issue-with-LVM-setup-ZTCnumSssaB
[03:06] <Linuxuser> dr_willis yeah I know. I did free -g and it said only 1
[03:06] <vfw> Linuxuser: You can also look at /proc/meminfo
[03:07] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:  so? it rounded to the nearest gb
[03:07] <Linuxuser> Oh
[03:07] <dr_willis> cat /proc/swaps    shows swap partitions
[03:15] <EDocToor> My girlfriends says .. Her or my Ubuntu!!! What is the nice Ubuntu way of letting her go?
[03:15] <seronis> sudo apt-get remove gf
[03:15] <sere> :)
[03:15] <EDocToor> ha ha
[03:16] <seronis> oh..   s/remove/purge   you dont want her leaving her makeup and bras at your place
[03:16] <Myrtti> guys
[03:16] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[03:16] <bazhang> !ot | EDocToor
[03:17] <EDocToor> The topic was Ubuntu... and a choice
[03:17] <EDocToor> OMG
[03:17] <bazhang> EDocToor, its not for here. take it elsewhere
[03:20] <EDocToor> I am Re-installing a third time.. this time I deleted the sda3 partition..
[03:20] <citric> Is there a way to make it so when you are charging your laptop the brightness goes up and if you are unplugged it drops down automatically, instead of doing it manually?
[03:23] <elisa87> histo: do you know how I can umount /mnt/mount_x86 ? it says it
[03:23] <elisa87> histo http://paste.ubuntu.com/5766670/
[03:27] <Grivvel> Hello! When I attempt to ssh to my ubuntu box via the ip address I get one host key (an ssh-rsa key), but when I attempt to ssh to it via my domain name, I get a different host key (ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 key) and my client machine complains about the difference. Does anyone know why I might be seeing these two different keys?
[03:28] <Grivvel> I checked with nslookup and it appears that the domain name *is* tied to the correct ip address
[03:28] <jrib> Grivvel: and you're sure it's the same machine?
[03:29] <Grivvel> jrib: If the ip address given from nslookup is the same, is it possible that it's actually connecting to a different machine? My credentials work, but could there be a mitm?
[03:29] <Grivvel> It seems a little weird that a mitm would only intercept by domain but not by ip address
[03:30] <jrib> Grivvel: can you verify you actually connect to the same machine?
[03:30] <elisa87> jrib umount: /mnt/mount_x86: device is busy.         (In some cases useful info about processes that use          the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))  do you know why I can't umount it?
[03:30] <Grivvel> jrib: How would I do that?
[03:30] <jrib> Grivvel: you could log in and look around
[03:31] <Grivvel> jrib: Yeah, it's definitely the same machine
[03:31] <jrib> elisa87: might you have a terminal open whose cwd is inside its mount point?
[03:31] <jrib> Grivvel: how do you know?
[03:31] <Grivvel> jrib: Exact same file system.
[03:31] <jrib> Grivvel: and it's not vanilla?
[03:32] <Grivvel> jrib: There are a couple empty directories
[03:32] <elisa87> jrib: no that's the only terminal and the only tab in terminal I have now http://paste.ubuntu.com/5766688/
[03:32] <Grivvel> Other than that, should be vanilla
[03:33] <jrib> Grivvel: you're probably just seeing proper ssh behavior (my guess).  I don't know offhand the details of how host keys are setup, but if no one here can help, try #openssh
[03:33] <Grivvel> jrib: Will do, thanks!
[03:34] <EDocToor> jrib, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[03:34] <jrib> EDocToor: what am I looking for?
[03:35] <elisa87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5766692/ do you think if it's safe to kill those processes jrib?
[03:36] <EDocToor> jrib, The very first line ssh-keygen -t dsa ... read what it does.. It might be what your looking for
[03:36] <elisa87> jrib I binded proc to /mnt/mount_x86/proc ...can I unbind it by any command?
[03:36] <jrib> EDocToor: thanks but that's not exactly what's going on here
[03:36] <EDocToor> jrib, Ok,, my bad
[03:37] <jrib> elisa87: should be able to umount as usual I believe
[03:38] <elisa87> omg by mistake I kill gnome-set! :|
[03:39] <elisa87> gnome-settings-daemon this fixed it
[03:39] <jeremiah_> Is it possible to root /home into a separate partition, that windows can view/read/write to?
[03:40] <trism> elisa87: I think the issue is you didn't mount /proc/ to mount_x86/proc, you mounted it to mount_x86/ and then mounted /sys/ inside there
[03:40] <trism> elisa87: try umount /mnt/mount_x86/sys/; first then try to umount /mnt/mount_x86/
[03:40] <elisa87> trism I mounted /proc to /mnt/mount_x86/proc is it wrong? the same with dev and sys
[03:41] <trism> elisa87: your pastebin says otherwise
[03:41] <jeremiah_> Is it possible to root /home into a separate partition, that windows can view/read/write to?
[03:42] <citric> jeremiah_, why would you want to do that?
[03:42] <elisa87> trism you are right before umounting /mnt/mount_x86 I should have umounted /mnt/mount_x86/dev and sys and proc
[03:42] <EDocToor> Yes... the third install was successful.. I had to QParted and delete partition before I was able to re-install.. I guess there was a previously corrupted partition and Ubuntu refused to install on it... Thanks guys.. I have now successfully installed Ubuntu 12.04
[03:42] <elisa87> it worked now thanks trism
[03:42] <jeremiah_> citric,  Duel boot, and i want all my info to be able to be viewed from both oses
[03:42] <citric> jeremiah_, /home CAN be a seperate partition.
[03:43] <jeremiah_> citric,  I realize. But can it be viewed from windows as well?
[03:43] <citric> jeremiah_, yes.
[03:44] <citric> jeremiah_, you will need an application to view the partition, for example, Ext2Explorer
[03:44] <citric> jeremiah_, google.
[03:44] <jeremiah_> citric,  In windows or ubuntu?
[03:44] <citric> ...
[03:45] <citric> jeremiah_, what you are asking is very basic, please search google.
[03:45] <jeremiah_> I'll google it....
[03:45] <EDocToor> Is Ext2Explorer a windows application
[03:45] <jeremiah_> EDocToor,  Thank you.
[03:45] <citric> EDocToor, no, Ext2Explorer is used to read Ext2 partitions while you are in the Ext2 partition.
[03:47] <EDocToor> jeremiah_, does that mean that your /home on separate partition has to be formatted as EXT2 during the install.. or is EXT2 the default format
[03:47] <sesshomaru> isnt it ext4 now?
[03:47] <citric> Ext4 is the default, yes
[03:48] <sesshomaru> ok, because I see ext2 and the last time I implemented ext2 was on my 486
[03:48] <mp19uy> I have a question related to environment variables: I want to be able to write ¨sublime_text¨ on console and open SublimeText2 instead of writing the full path. I know that there are 2 methods to do this, I could edit the environment variable PATH and add sublime_text path, but I also saw that another way to do the same is creating a symbolic link to sublime_text and placing it in /usr/bin. My question is, is one of these be
[03:48] <mp19uy> tter than the other or it is exactly the same and both are ¨correct¨ ways of doing what I want to do?
[03:48] <citric> sesshomaru, that doesn't mean much, I was just on my 486 today :)
[03:49] <sesshomaru> citric: SX or DX?  I've got a 486SX/33 in my laptop
[03:49] <citric> SX
[03:49] <kostkon> mp19uy, or create an alias? do you think it would work?
[03:49] <citric> brb TIME FOR PUDDING
[03:49] <sesshomaru> citric: Very reliable machines
[03:50] <EDocToor> sesshomaru, so not the best method... better is to make a separate partition... just for "share" format it as EXT2 ... that way your normal /home isn't outdated
[03:50] <sesshomaru> ahh
[03:52] <mp19uy> kostkon, I do not know what alias are but I am reading about it now.  I got both ideas from this: http://bit.ly/IH7OPo and this http://askubuntu.com/questions/141718/what-is-path-environment-variable-and-how-to-add-it
[03:55] <EDocToor> mp19uy, $ env
[03:55] <EDocToor> to see list of vars
[03:56] <EDocToor> Creating a var... depends on why you are creating it
[03:57] <EDocToor> mp19uy, to see a var $ echo $var_name
[03:58] <mp19uy> My idea is to modify the PATH var, is for a compiler of modula-2
[03:59] <mp19uy> it has some commands like xc,xd,xcwork... and I want to be able to use these commands
[04:01] <mp19uy> but also, I was willing to be able to write in console ¨sublime_text¨ or st2 or something like that to open the text editor sublime text 2
[04:02] <EDocToor> mp19uy, the PATH var gets loaded from many places.. hopefully some here can tell you the best place to edit the PATH=;;;;your_new_path
[04:02] <EDocToor> I don't want to give you bad advice
[04:03] <sethj> Isn't it supposed to be in ~/.profile?
[04:04] <EDocToor> I thought so.. but to see it cd ~   then ls -a
[04:04] <EDocToor> not sure
[04:04] <EDocToor> I looked and my .profile does not have a PATH statement
[04:05] <sethj> Hm.
[04:05] <mp19uy> ok, I mean, my problem is not about how to edit the path var, that is something I can google for sure, what I want to know if it is a ¨good practice¨ adding/modifying env vars when I want to do this kind of thing or is better to create symbolic links and place them in /usr/bin.
[04:05] <EDocToor> so I don't think so
[04:05] <tsimpson> ~/.profile is the correct place
[04:06] <sethj> EDocToor: Mine has a PATH statement...
[04:06] <sethj> tsimpson: Thanks.
[04:06] <EDocToor> tsimpson, and he would add the line ::: PATH=$PATH;/usr/path;
[04:06] <Linuxuser> Hey. I just set my computer to boot into the command line but i noticed when I did, the first letter of the first words on the left of the screen were getting cut off. How do I fix this?
[04:06] <EDocToor> to add his path?
[04:07] <tsimpson> "PATH=/whatever:$PATH" or "PATH=$PATH:/whatever"
[04:07] <tsimpson> : is the separator character
[04:07] <tr0n> set ur terminal
[04:07] <Linuxuser> ?
[04:07] <sethj> mp19guy: Personally I think there ins't much difference between the to methods...
[04:07] <tr0n> set env term=vt100 or whatever
[04:08] <tr0n> umm dont irc as root
[04:08] <tr0n> add a user
[04:10] <Linuxuser> what?
[04:10] <Linuxuser> don't irc as root?
[04:10] <tr0n> its lame and a security risk
[04:10] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:  disable the framebuffer if its in use, or try messing with the fbset command to shift the dispaly to the right if you want the framebuffer
[04:10] <Linuxuser> tr0n i don't know what your talking about?
[04:10] <dr_willis> !text
[04:11] <tr0n> not u
[04:11] <mp19uy> sethj: ok, I was asking because maybe is frowned upon one of these ¨methods¨ like in programming when doing something in one way is better and more effective than in other.
[04:11] <Linuxuser> dr_willis that doesn't work for me. That gives me some other stuff. What i'm doing is editing /etc/default/grub
[04:12] <dr_willis> what exactly dosent work..  that grub config file has an option i recall to ser grub to use a non graphical menu
[04:13] <elisa87> trism:  Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,     ...1)  (Do you know why my mounted disk image doesn't work fine?)
[04:14] <EDocToor> Easy Question: Ubuntu keeps going to sleep.. and I keep typing in my password.. is there a way to make it stay awake for a hour before it .. causes me to type in a password
[04:14] <tr0n> in your system settings
[04:14] <trism> elisa87: I do not
[04:14] <tr0n> under brightness & lock
[04:14] <dr_willis> it has a 'lock' feature in the settings where you can tweak or disable the password needed i recall
[04:15] <EDocToor> tr0n, thanks
[04:15] <tr0n> np
[04:15] <sh_t> hi everyone. I am new to building packages and trying to build my own nginx deb. My understanding is that deb-buildpackage uses the debian/rules file as the Makefile to build the package.. however when I run deb-buildpackage -rfakeroot it's not actually compiling my already ./configure'd source, and the package is built containing only a /usr/share/doc folder within it and no binaries. Any
[04:15] <sh_t> suggestions on what could be wrong herE?
[04:16] <EDocToor> tr0n, wow.. that has been bugging me forEVER.. thanks
[04:16] <tr0n> ;)
[04:21] <Linuxuser> dr_willis: how does going to grub help me? I want to log on via CLI
[04:23] <dr_willis> grub has options to disable the framebuffer
[04:23] <dr_willis> and its text mode
[04:23] <Linuxuser> permanently?
[04:23] <dr_willis> option
[04:23] <Linuxuser> what's that?
[04:23] <dr_willis> !text
[04:24] <Linuxuser> ?
[04:25] <dr_willis> 'noquiet nofb text nodplash’ are the grub options ive used in the past
[04:25] <dr_willis> nosplash
[04:25] <Linuxuser> what's the difference of doing that and editing /etc/default/grub?
[04:25] <bazhang> !nox | Linuxuser
[04:25] <evilroots> i need drivers for my card. gtx 560 ti
[04:26] <evilroots> help?
[04:26] <tr0n> go to the manufactures website
[04:26] <dr_willis> install them with the addational-drivers tool¿
[04:27] <Linuxuser> dr_willis I already boot to a grub menu without pressing anything
[04:27] <evilroots> that doesnt show any
[04:27] <dr_willis> dont use the ones from nvidia.com if you dint have to
[04:27] <Linuxuser> dr_willis well a splash screen
[04:27] <Linuxuser> that allows me to access grub
[04:27] <evilroots> what commands do i need.
[04:27] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:  these are options you give to grub to affect how the system boots
[04:29] <xormor> I am happy with xubuntu 13.04 :)
[04:30] <Linuxuser> dr_willis those commands didn't work
[04:30] <dr_willis> what did it do differently and how did you use them.
[04:31] <Linuxuser> i booted to grub. typed "text" no luck typed "nosplash" no luck
[04:31] <tones> xormor, I couldnt get xubuntu to boot from usb, kept asking me for a password/login
[04:31] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:  those are optons you pass to grub.. not commands you enter at the grub shell
[04:31] <Linuxuser> i have to go. later
[04:31] <dr_willis> Linuxuser:  you can set them in /etc/default/grub also
[04:33] <xormor> tones: try root, enter and root, root.
[04:34] <tones> didn't try that combo
[04:35] <tones> xormor, did you stick with xfce?
[04:35] <dr_willis> there is no root  password by default. the live cd has a user called 'ubuntu' with the password 'ubuntu' i recall
[04:35] <xormor> tones: I think so. how do I see if this is using xfce?
[04:36] <jrib> dr_willis: password should be blank unless that's changed in the last couple of releases
[04:36] <tones> it looks like mini windows
[04:36] <xormor> tones: yes, this is version 4.10.
[04:36] <jrib> 4.10 :x
[04:36] <dr_willis> only time ive seen people need the password on live cd.. was when it wass a bad burn. ;) or currupted iso
[04:36] <xormor> tones: the laptop is not hot enough to turn itself off automatically right now.
[04:37] <dr_willis> so you may be right
[04:37] <xormor> jrib: should I update with apt-get upgrade?
[04:37] <tones> dr_willis, I tried several disk downloads and still kept asking for login/pwd
[04:37] <jrib> xormor: I don't know what we are talking about
[04:37] <dr_willis> tones:  you did verify the md5? how ae you making the usb?
[04:38] <tones> xormor, if I can get it to work, I'll probably use gnome
[04:39] <tones> dr_willis, made usbs both from unetbootin direct download and iso image from desktop download
[04:39] <tones> both needed login/pwd
[04:39] <dr_willis> i would try tools from pendrivelinux, verify the md5sums
[04:39] <dr_willis> and not use unetbootin
[04:40] <tones> which specific tool from pendrivelinux is easiest
[04:40] <linuxuz3r> i got an ubuntu issue after running flash for a while in firefox gnome shutsdown automatically
[04:40] <tones> for a single iso download
[04:40] <linuxuz3r> does anyone have experienced this with ubuntu
[04:41] <dr_willis> linuxuz3r:  flash causing problems = common issue
[04:42] <linuxuz3r> should i upgrade flash
[04:42] <dr_willis> with no common fixs
[04:42] <linuxuz3r> oh
[04:42] <dr_willis> upgrade? what version of flash are you using?
[04:42] <linuxuz3r> i cant say cause im back on os x
[04:42] <dr_willis> adobe hasent updated flash on linux  in some time i think...
[04:43] <linuxuz3r> dr_willis, even in chrome
[04:43] <linuxuz3r> chrome has its own flash player right
[04:43] <dr_willis> google chrome has its own different flash
[04:43] <dr_willis> called pepper somthing
[04:43] <linuxuz3r> it might be ubuntu
[04:44] <linuxuz3r> checking the problem now
[04:48] <linuxuz3r> im back
[04:48] <linuxuz3r> lets see if it would hang
[04:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone else here having issue with installing/upgrading to wine1.6?
[04:57] <husnainlatif> nope
[04:57] <elisa87> how can I create a disk image which when I mount it on /mnt/linux_x86 has these folders? backprop  bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lib32  lib64  lost+found   media  mnt  opt  proc  rodinia  root  run  sbin  selinux  srv  sys  tmp   usr  var
[04:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> I was without a connection for 4 days, just did an apt-get update&upgrade, it hangs on wine1.6, suggests running apt-get -f install, but that does not do it either.
[05:01] <optimusprimem> hello, my hd no it is listed in /media is a IDE and the gparted not listed how I can ?
[05:01] <husnainlatif> LIP, are you a ubuntu user?
[05:02] <LIP> no
[05:02] <husnainlatif> linux?
[05:03] <LIP> yes
[05:03] <husnainlatif> what flavour :P?
[05:03] <LIP> and a BSD, and a OSX
[05:04] <LIP> but eaxactly which, as it isn't Ubuntu, isn't as applicable in here, it could lead to flame wars ;)
[05:04] <tr0n> yea especially when u admit to running O$X
[05:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> lol
[05:04] <LIP> I have the Mac so I can check development on it
[05:05] <LIP> not as my primary ;)
[05:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> hey, I need someone to assist in my project running on mac osx
[05:05] <husnainlatif> i wanna see ur mac desktop :p
[05:05] <husnainlatif> i've never seen one before
[05:05] <LIP> and I don't want to share it, google image search is good enough for what it looks like
[05:05] <tr0n> lots of em on 4chan /g
[05:19] <ShawnMcCool> i have a collection of games and i'd like to have a drawer or something to keep them in, but the unity dock doesn't seem to support drawers or something. any suggestions?
[05:21] <husnainlatif> ShawnMcCool,  what kinda games :p ?
[05:21] <xormor> I like programming small programs.
[05:22] <ShawnMcCool> Scrolls by Mojang, Game Dev Tycoon and some other stuff not in steam or desura
[05:24] <thunder1212> hi
[05:25] <thunder1212> I am using ubuntu12.04, is there any way i can get the latest kernel with automatic updates?
[05:26] <linuxuz3r> thunder1212, why do you want the lastest kernel?
[05:27] <thunder1212> linuxuz3r: i don;t know why, but i want it:)
[05:29] <linuxuz3r> thunder1212, http://askubuntu.com/questions/187502/how-do-i-use-apt-get-to-update-to-the-latest-kernel
[05:29] <mapleray> hello?
[05:30] <ShawnMcCool> *echo* hello? hello? hello?
[05:33] <digs> Why are these packages not upgradeing? http://codepad.org/IBr2CXd7
[05:34] <thunder1212> linuxuz3r: but with this i will just get the kernel which is there in the repos, which is already what i am using. I want 3.9.6 latest stable..
[05:34] <digs> I ran apt-get update before all of that too.
[05:34] <thunder1212> linuxuz3r: https://www.kernel.org/
[05:35] <wolter> Hi, I'm having problems with my shutdown, my computer doesn't shut down
[05:35] <wolter> I read something about using stop and service commands on S15networking, but I don't know what to do
[05:36] <tr0n> do a kill -9 -1 as root
[05:40] <Afggh> Hi all
[05:41] <Afggh> What is ubuntu alternative for darmon tools?
[05:50] <zykotick9> digs: you need to use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in order to get NEW packages, like the kernel updates...
[05:54] <EDocToor> Will samba share files between two a ubuntu-server and a ubuntu box?
[05:59] <digs> zykotick9, thanks.
[06:02] <husnainlatif> any ubuntu devs around?
[06:03] <nebulos> watsup
[06:04] <akurilin> Quick question: does changing the hostname of a machine has the chance of making it potentially unreachable on the network? For example, will I be sad if I change the hostname of an EC2 instance?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> akurilin: maybe the guys from ##networking know?
[06:08] <wolter> tr0n, hm I was looking more of a way of solving the problem
[06:08] <akurilin> lotuspsychje, okie dokie.
[06:09] <tr0n> shutdown not working?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> akurilin: or re-ask your question here once in a while :p, or #ubuntu-server might know aswell maybe?
[06:11] <thunder1212> latest kenel
[06:12] <thunder1212> *kernel
[06:14] <wolter> tr0n, exactly
[06:16] <bhavesh> I was installing ccsm from terminal 2 days ago when there was a power cut. Now I cannot connect to the internet on ubuntu, whereas I can on windows 8.
[06:16] <bhavesh> Tried connecting a new network but didn't help
[06:16] <tr0n> u try with -H or -P?
[06:16] <akurilin> I think the answers is that at least in EC2 changing hostnames is mostly local to the machine and will not change the name of the server as far as the DNS server is concerned. Supposedly changing the hostname can cause problems down the line when some services start expecting it to match the actual name.
[06:16] <wolter> tr0n, tried with -h
[06:16] <tr0n> eww the W word
[06:16] <bhavesh> my network is DSL PPPoE
[06:17] <witheld> Okay, I installed pm-utils on my laptop. Bad idea, it crashes on suspend, including when I close the lid. So I removed pm-utils, but now, it still crashes when I close the lid
[06:17] <witheld> What do I have to remove to stop this
[06:17] <tr0n> whatever dependicies it used
[06:19] <tr0n> or tinker with your system settings
[06:20] <dr_willis> you can set what it does on lid close i recall.
[06:20] <witheld> I've purged everything, so, I'm lost as to what to do
[06:21] <witheld> the initrd still just turns the screen off without crashing, as I'd prefer
[06:21] <witheld> So it's some setting I don't know of that pm-utils changed and didn't put back
[06:22] <witheld> (outrageous)
[06:23] <dr_willis> ir you need to double check the users powersettings fir that user
[06:23] <dr_willis> test with a newly made user also
[06:23] <witheld> It's a minimal install, no dbus, no consolekit, none of that weird per-user stuff
[06:24] <dr_willis> no idea then.
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> how can i make a terminal icon with links2 jumping open google
[06:24] <wolter> terminal icon?
[06:24] <Kaidelong> I need to disable ACPI because my hardware shuts the screen off when the lid is closed but ubuntu completely screws up in software and thinks the lid is closed even when it is reopened and the system becomes unusable
[06:25] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  make a launcher that runs       xterm -e links2 giigle.com          perhaps
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> wolter: well i installed links2, but i want it started from inside terminal, and create an icon for it
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: how i make that launcher
[06:25] <witheld> Ha ha, more ACPI issues, good luck. Well, Kaidelong , pass noacpi to the kernel at boot
[06:25] <dr_willis> or make a gnome-terminal profile to do it
[06:26] <bhavesh> when my DSL internet connection is not working only on ubuntu, how am I supposed to trace down the problem?
[06:26] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  look at the    gedit.desktop  file for an example
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: ok tnx
[06:27] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  askubuntu.com  has guides also
[06:27] <tr0n> isnt elinks the successor to links?
[06:27] <dr_willis> bhavesh:  your power failed while installing packages?
[06:27] <bhavesh> dr_willis: yes
[06:27] <witheld> This really is bs though, packages(big name packages at that)  changing system wide settings and not putting things back when uninstalled
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !info elinks
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: well i like links2 :p
[06:28] <tr0n> they look the same
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> !info links2
[06:29] <dr_willis> bhavesh:  may be some info on how to properly recover from tgat on askybuntu.com  that may be the core of thw issue
[06:32] <cristian_c> Hi
[06:32] <strawb3rryj3lly7> im new to ubuntu, and i go an external hdd from a friend, and i went to format it and this error popped up, Error creating file system: helper exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[06:32] <strawb3rryj3lly7> Total number of sectors (487725344) not a multiple of sectors per track (63)!
[06:32] <strawb3rryj3lly7> Add mtools_skip_check=1 to your .mtoolsrc file to skip this test
[06:32] <strawb3rryj3lly7> mkfs.vfat 3.0.12 (29 Oct 2011), what exactly do i have to do to finish the format?
[06:32] <FloodBot1> strawb3rryj3lly7: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:32] <cristian_c> I've installed qt4-qtconfig
[06:32] <cristian_c> If I open the tool and I edit the font settings, clicking on File->Save, this string appears in the statusbar: 'Saved changes.'
[06:33] <cristian_c> but if I close and reopen the tool, there are not the new settings anymore
[06:33] <cristian_c> How can I solve it?
[06:33] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[06:34] <dr_willis> test with a newly made user cristian_c
[06:34] <zw> 嗨，有人可以帮我吗？
[06:34] <dr_willis> see if its tge same way
[06:34] <zw> 请问如何在live cd里安装软件包呢？
[06:35] <cristian_c> dr_willis, ok
[06:35] <cristian_c> dr_willis, with guest too?
[06:35] <dr_willis> try both
[06:35] <cristian_c> !cn | zw
[06:36] <cristian_c> dr_willis, ok
[06:36] <zw> ok,i knew it.
[06:36] <zw> hi everyone.how can i install the packages in live cd system?
[06:37] <dr_willis> clarify what you mean zw
[06:38] <husnainlatif> does anyone use OneNote?
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: it worked out pretty easy with this1: http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/create-application-launcher-add-icon-to-unity-ubuntu-12-10/
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i know got a links2 launcher with google inside terminal :p
[06:45] <lvlingli> why i can't convert a video to mp3 file by "ffmpeg"
[06:45] <Traxie21> Hello, I have a permissions issue
[06:45] <EDocToor> When Ubuntu has a https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openssh-server.html and it comand fails.. it really bytes .. I have be messing around with trying to get a file from one Ubuntu to another Ubuntu box and nothing.. will anyone help me with my ports and ssh - no identities found issue?
[06:46] <tr0n> use ftp
[06:46] <rand> or scp
[06:47] <Traxie21> Could someone please give me the list of proper permissions for the base system in Ubuntu?
[06:47] <Traxie21> My home directory is not owned by me, tmp is messet up, and I think usr is too
[06:47] <tr0n> 755
[06:47] <EDocToor> tr0n, rand, thanks... but the port issue would be the same
[06:48] <Ben64> Traxie21: well what did you do
[06:48] <EDocToor> tr0n... chmod 755 to what?
[06:48] <lvlingli> to home
[06:48] <EDocToor> NO
[06:48] <EDocToor> LOL
[06:48] <tr0n>  /~ /tmp /usr
[06:48] <EDocToor> it is one one machine.. that just might be it... brb
[06:48] <EDocToor> tee hee
[06:49] <lvlingli> >-<
[06:49] <Traxie21> Ben64: I have 3 USB's with a persistant session on them.  I tried to copy the casper-rw and home-rw partitions from one to the other, so as to have a backup of some very important files.
[06:49] <Traxie21> using gksudo
[06:49] <Traxie21> *gksudo nautilus
[06:50] <dr_willis> may be easier to use dd to image the whole usb
[06:50] <Traxie21> dr_willis: I fresh installed the base partition
[06:50] <Traxie21> I hear thats unsafe?
[06:51] <Traxie21> Also, I am copying from a 32 GB to a 16 GB
[06:51] <dr_willis> if you want backups  you could backup tge whole ysb stick to a file    via dd
[06:51] <Traxie21> I want usable backups
[06:51] <HypothesisFrog> Hi. I clicked on an mp3, and it launched some music app which immediately started playing it. I clicked the close button on the window, which closed the app, but the music's still playing. How do I stop it?
[06:52] <Traxie21> I am forever losing my USB drives
[06:52] <rand> EDocToor, are you trying to setup password less transfer with ssh?
[06:52] <lvlingli> or backup by "tar"?
[06:52] <dr_willis> HypothesisFrog:  speaker icon at top right
[06:53] <EDocToor> tr0n, rand, thanks... but the port issue is still there... ummm
[06:53] <dr_willis> has player controlls
[06:53] <HypothesisFrog> dr_willis that doesn't actually stop it. It just stops me hearing it.
[06:53] <lvlingli> Hyperbyte: what app
[06:53] <aeon-ltd> kill rhythmbox then
[06:53] <HypothesisFrog> dr_willis no it doesn't actually. I'm using MATE desktop.
[06:54] <lvlingli> rhythmbox?
[06:54] <dr_willis> mate.. good lyck then  not really supported by tgis channel
[06:54] <HypothesisFrog> lvlingli thankyou!
[06:54] <HypothesisFrog> that's the app
[06:55] <aeon-ltd> heheheh
[06:55] <husnainlatif> does anyone know about the bassboost option in windows, is it available on ubuntu?
[06:55]  * HypothesisFrog does a killall rhythmbox and finds relief
[06:55] <aeon-ltd> husnainlatif: bassboost in what?
[06:56] <husnainlatif> in windows; it's in sounds options or something > enhancements tab
[06:56] <husnainlatif> its like a driver level feature/option
[06:56] <lvlingli> Maybe you can run "top" in the terminal, and find the app
[06:56] <aeon-ltd> i'm not sure if there are systemwide eq optoins by default
[06:56] <dr_willis> sounds like a marketing term for a sound equalizer setting
[06:56] <lvlingli> husnainlatif: windows 7?
[06:57] <husnainlatif> i've already searched a lot about system wide eq, no luck yet
[06:57] <husnainlatif> thought y'all might have an answer -_-
[06:57] <husnainlatif> windows 7+
[06:57] <dr_willis> ive seen some articals about sound equalizers for  pulse. but im not sure one is included by default
[06:58] <tr0n> no M$ questions in here
[06:58] <aeon-ltd> depending on your speakers/headphones you should aim for neutral music is already eq'd, equalizing again should only be used to compensate or color to liking
[06:58] <dr_willis> omgubuntu or webupd8  may mention how to get one  husnainlatif
[06:58] <aeon-ltd> fullstop after neutral
[06:59] <lvlingli> husnainlatif: I think system wide eq is not necessary
[06:59] <dr_willis> some players may have the feature for that  player.
[06:59] <husnainlatif> y'know why i need it? coz i've low-quality headphones with knows bassboost built in and they give me a headache in ubuntu no matter what i play
[07:00] <husnainlatif> on windows however, if i turn on bassboost, everything sounds at least bearable.
[07:00] <dr_willis> you need to unboost them?
[07:00] <husnainlatif> with no*
[07:00] <husnainlatif> sorry bout typos
[07:01] <dr_willis> lack of base = headache? weird
[07:01] <lvlingli> husnainlatif: All right
[07:01] <husnainlatif> you'd understand if you had lower quality headphones -_-
[07:01] <dr_willis> mine are all of $6
[07:01] <dr_willis> ;)
[07:01] <dr_willis> high end = $12
[07:02] <husnainlatif> mine might be well $10 or something
[07:02] <aeon-ltd> there  is a pulseaudio eq
[07:02] <husnainlatif> i know aeon-ltd
[07:02] <husnainlatif> i've tried it
[07:02] <aeon-ltd> install it
[07:02] <aeon-ltd> ok
[07:02] <husnainlatif> it doesn't do any good for me
[07:02] <dr_willis> im in a factory with constant noise..  so  bosteing the base is the laast thing i want
[07:02] <aeon-ltd> how can it not? does it not work?
[07:03] <husnainlatif> it even messed up the  whole sound driver thingy in ubuntu and i had to switch back to windows8 coz of that
[07:03] <aeon-ltd> ok
[07:03] <tr0n> $ellout
[07:04] <dr_willis> i recall some pulse audio ppa that included the feature. but never used it
[07:04] <rand> I would sell the $10 headphones for $5 and get a pair of $6 headphones
[07:05] <aeon-ltd> monoprice?
[07:05] <tr0n> !offtopic
[07:05] <husnainlatif> whats a ppa?
[07:05] <aeon-ltd> says the microsoft hater
[07:05] <tr0n> lol
[07:05] <tr0n> im allowed my snarky comments
[07:06] <aeon-ltd> personal package archive
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> !ppa
[07:06] <husnainlatif> cool bot
[07:07] <cordel> can someone post me a link to Nvidia ftx-280 driver
[07:07] <tr0n> hatred of window$ is the reason most use ubuntu in the first place
[07:07] <mkquist_> so there is no way ... install software on natty?  I know it's old but works like a charm?
[07:07] <Guest88627> gtx-280
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> husnainlatif: you can /query ubottu to trigger yourself aswell
[07:07] <aeon-ltd> mkquist_: backports
[07:07] <husnainlatif> trigger myself?
[07:07] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: ill look, thanks
[07:07] <tr0n> pvt msg
[07:08] <husnainlatif> unity UI is beautiful
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> husnainlatif: to get information on specific triggers in pvt message
[07:08] <gtxman> where do i download nvidia drivers?
[07:08]  * tr0n has a tux wallpaper
[07:08] <husnainlatif> on the ##windows channel, someone said it's got some serious flaws -_-
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | gtxman
[07:08] <tr0n> lies!
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: tinypic me in pm
[07:08] <aeon-ltd> too heavy there's one
[07:08] <gtxman> !nvidia
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: i like user desktopz :p
[07:09] <husnainlatif> i dont have enough info bout unity so i cant argue
[07:09] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: what if i just want the old version?
[07:09] <tr0n> im ssh'd on a vps, its just a pic of him sitting
[07:09] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: sorry to bother...
[07:09] <husnainlatif> there's just so much that i still need on ubuntu :/
[07:09] <aeon-ltd> mkquist_: compile the software yourself
[07:09] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: from the binaries?
[07:10] <aeon-ltd> yeah
[07:10] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: ty again... ill look into it.
[07:10] <tr0n> someone said win has a backdoor put in by the nsa, not sure if its true, learn to come to ur own conclusions
[07:10] <aeon-ltd> heheh
[07:10] <husnainlatif> 'learn to come to ur own conclusions'
[07:10] <husnainlatif> :)
[07:11] <tr0n> i've used win and came to the conclusion its inferior, only gamers really need it, and thats changing slowly
[07:12] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: if there are no sources, its time to upgrade?... last question
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: did you see the alienware ubuntu machines with steam?
[07:12] <aeon-ltd> let's suppose there is a backdoor, and only recently this has become uncovered by snowden. then there's a huge possibiity there are more than one
[07:12] <tr0n> no
[07:12] <aeon-ltd> mkquist_: yeah guess so
[07:12] <mkquist_> aeon-ltd: thanks again
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/
[07:12] <aeon-ltd> mkquist_: no problem
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> tr0n: i think with wine, playonlinux and steam gamers got lots of choices these days
[07:13] <tr0n> nice
[07:14] <tr0n> yea but old habits are hard for some to break
[07:14] <noobuntu> anyone with patience to help me get my start up processes working properly (transmission runs before shares)?
[07:15] <aeon-ltd> noobuntu: is this during boot?
[07:16] <tr0n> only 1 machine with ubuntu, no laptops yet, at least its a start
[07:16] <ditchwindows> damn i love this community, you would never get this using windows lol
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> lets take this to offtopi
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> its interesting :p
[07:17] <meLon> I just rebooted and now pulse (audio) is all messed up.  Any recent updates that could be causing the issue?  I'm not sure what else it could be
[07:18] <aeon-ltd> noobuntu: if this is during login you can add the sleep command when launching trans for delays e.g. sleep 2 && transmission ; if this during boot i've no idea where the order is set
[07:19]  * lotuspsychje wonders why there are no 1600 users in #ubuntu-offtopic aswell :p
[07:19] <ditchwindows> i just followed the USB tutorital with pendrive or whatever [ to install linux on usb] - and now i'm getting a Syslinux ERROR: no configuration file found and such.. any idea?
[07:20] <noobuntu> @aeon-ltd from what ive googled it starts on boot with init.d
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ditchwindows: what distro you want on the stick?
[07:21] <noobuntu> and sleep should not be added to init.d scripts...
[07:21] <noobuntu> but i'm in deep water here so.. :D
[07:21] <ditchwindows> i even followed http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[07:23] <gtxman> how do i open a linux pkg1.run package in ubuntu?
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> ditchwindows: you could make a live cd(rom) and make an ubuntu stick from there maybe?
[07:23] <ditchwindows> Ubuntu 13.04 64bit btw
[07:23] <noobuntu> damn it, kids up now. gotta go. thanks
[07:24] <husnainlatif> haha
[07:24] <izx> Where do i get ssh logs in ubuntu 12.10 ??
[07:26] <tr0n> they not in /var/log?
[07:29] <izx> tr0n: No it is not there
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> izx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[07:36] <gotwig> Why is the update-utility not integrated into software-center?
[07:37] <gtxman> why is ubuntu so hard to install nvidia drivers
[07:38] <Integrated> gotwig, i thought you said my name...
[07:38] <Integrated> woke me up LOL
[07:39] <Integrated> and gtxman because nvidia sucks ;d
[07:40] <Sik> Hello. Using Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit. I have been using it just fine, but some hours ago I rebooted and suddenly X won't start anymore. The log says "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration" and then "Fatal server error: no screens found". Any ideas? Monitor is IBM G74, card is GeForce 7300GS with the Nvidia 304 driver (which actually seems to boot according to the logs). This was all working fine for a long time until that reboot...
[07:40] <gotwig> Integrated, change your name now and leave the country.
[07:42] <ditchwindows> I'm currently having problems with installing Ubuntu 13.04 onto an USB with the Pendrive, i just got an Syslinux Error : no configuriation found. any ideas?
[07:42] <gotwig> Sik, so have you tried to recreate the xorg files via the nvidia utility?
[07:42] <gotwig> ditchwindows, which tool are you using to install onto USB key
[07:42] <Sik> gotwig: the only thing I have right now is the command line... :P
[07:42] <gotwig> Sik, I know. There is something like nvidia-xconfig I guess
[07:43] <ditchwindows> gotwig: Pen Drive linux or whichever - http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[07:43] <ditchwindows> gotwig: whichever they suggested
[07:43] <gotwig> ditchwindows, oh ok..
[07:43] <gotwig> ditchwindows, you could have said that before that you use Windows to create the usb stick ;)
[07:43] <Sik> gotwig: Er, I'll check. Um, what was the shortcut to jump to the other terminals? Alt+F2+something, but can't remember the exact shortcut :S
[07:43] <ditchwindows> gotwig: ahh i should've mentioned that hehe
[07:44] <Sik> ...oh, just Alt+F2, nevermind
[07:44] <gotwig> ditchwindows, ehm, how do you use the tool, do you select 13.04 from the list, or do you manually select it as an image? Do you know that there are also other tools out there (which you, however have to install)
[07:45] <gotwig> Sik, CTRL+ALT+F [put tty number here]
[07:45] <gotwig> e.g CTRL+ALT+F2
[07:45] <gotwig> Sik, you can also try commands like startx
[07:46] <ditchwindows> gotwig: i use the drop down list - i select Ubuntu 13.04 Desktop amd64, then i find the ISO and select the location of the USB drive, then create.
[07:46] <orangerobot> "But Ubuntu links /bin/sh to dash! " <- i've just read this on a blog. wasn't bash ubuntu default shell?
[07:46] <gotwig> ditchwindows, ok.. maybe you should download the image from the website, than select it . I can also recommend Linux Live USB Creator: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[07:46] <Sik> gotwig: checking the nvidia-xconfig help right now (and given X can't load at all, I doubt startx is going to help)
[07:47] <ditchwindows> gotwig: i downloaded the image from the website, but ill also try the LiLiUSB
[07:48] <gotwig> orangerobot, yeah, its dash. strange
[07:48] <gotwig> ditchwindows, thanks for your efforts :)
[07:48] <Sik> OK going to try, if I log off this is me testing X (if I don't come back after a while assume I fixed this)
[07:49] <rand> can you just dd the iso image of Ubuntu onto a thumb drive and it will be bootable?
[07:49] <Ben64> rand: yes
[07:49] <Sik> ...OK, nope, nvidia-xconfig didn't solve it
[07:49] <rand> Ben64, cool thanks
[07:50] <Ben64> Sik: whats the problem
[07:50] <Sik> Oh, um, fun, now the nvidia-xconfig thing prevents the Nvidia driver from loading at all, great
[07:51] <Sik> Ben64: "Screen(s) found, but none has a usable configuration" It was working fine before rebooting a few hours ago :/
[07:51] <gotwig> Sik, http://alexsleat.co.uk/2011/03/04/how-to-fix-fatal-server-error-no-screens-found-ubuntu/?
[07:51] <gotwig> Sik, http://alexsleat.co.uk/2011/03/04/how-to-fix-fatal-server-error-no-screens-found-ubuntu/ =)
[07:51] <Ben64> Sik: how did you install nvidia?
[07:52] <Sik> Ben64: through the additional driver screen, as usual :v It was working all fine before I rebooted, I guess some automatic update broke it
[07:52] <Beetle559> I've just had an incredibly frustrating six hours with secure boot. I took all the right steps but no matter what I did I couldn't get my brand new lenovo p500 to boot from usb or dvd. That was with Mint. I know Ubuntu has uefi support so hopefully I can get this piece of...hardware to work
[07:52] <Sik> gotwig: bit.ly that or something? I have to type it by hand and I'm on irssi
[07:52] <gotwig> Sik, you can also try to just remove the xorg.conf file, so it maybe gets recreated..
[07:52] <gotwig> Sik, yeah, sry
[07:52] <Ben64> you don't need an xorg.conf
[07:53] <jarodvander> hi. is there an german speaking channel for ubuntu help?
[07:53] <Sik> That was the default before I ran nvidia-xconfig right now...
[07:53] <Ben64> !de | jarodvander
[07:53] <jarodvander> thx!
[07:54] <Sik> OK removing xorg.conf didn't fix anything
[07:54] <gotwig> Sik, have you changed your monitor setup?
[07:54] <Sik> No
[07:54] <Sik> I haven't touched anything, in fact
[07:54] <Sik> Which is why I assume some security update may have broken it (I have those set to install automatically)
[07:55] <gotwig> Sik, well.. you can try dpkg-reconfigure packagename to reconfigure the relevant packages
[07:55] <gotwig> Sik, does nivou* work with your graphics card?
[07:56] <Ben64> Sik: can you pastebin lsmod
[07:56] <c3n9> Is anyone here familiar with OpenVPN? :-)
[07:56] <Sik> Ben64: on terminal, I can't use the clipboard >.< gotwing: Nouveau? Never tried, but then again the issue seems to be with X itself, not with the driver.
[07:56] <c3n9> I'm having a problem with the DNS side of things, thus I can't web-browse when connected to mine (server is Ubuntu).
[07:57] <Ben64> Sik: lsmod | pastebinit
[07:57] <jarodvander> hi again
[07:58] <Sik> Ben64: paste.ubuntu.com/5767078
[07:59] <Ben64> Sik: do you have some sort of weird set up? like dual gpu or something
[07:59] <jarodvander> I wanna activate applets in unity. have to go with "dconf" to "desktop-unity-panel" ... but there isn't an entry called "panel" ... any hints?
[07:59] <Sik> No. The most unusual I can think of is having the integrated sound chip and a discrete card, but nothing else
[07:59] <jeevanus> is there any package to search a particular file or directory?
[08:00] <jeevanus> i don't have the option with my filemanager
[08:00] <Sik> You could argue the hardware is old though (again: monitor is IBM G74, though it does seem to support EDID)
[08:00] <Integrated> stop saying integrated guys LOL
[08:00] <Integrated> i keep coming back here xD
[08:00] <gotwig> Integrated, change your name and leave the country :D
[08:00] <Integrated> whyyy
[08:00] <Integrated> this is the best name everr
[08:00] <gotwig> because its so much more integrated
[08:01] <Sik> Not my fault you have the same name as some piece of hardware! :P
[08:01] <gotwig> call yourself Integrated®©
[08:01] <Integrated> lol..
[08:02] <Integrated> i was just browsing the web for a new mechanical keyboard
[08:02] <ditchwindows> gotwig: hey mate, that USB creater worked well thanks!
[08:02] <Mark___> Integrated: lol
[08:02] <jarodvander> can somebody help me please?
[08:02] <Mark___> We should get like more integrated circuits with everything.
[08:02] <gotwig> ditchwindows, no problem :X have a nice weekend =)
[08:02] <Sik> Base64: also you may want to ignore the "floppy" entry in that list... I outright disconnected the floppy drive XD (not like that should matter)
[08:03] <Integrated> i think people are doing it on purpose now...
[08:03] <gotwig> jarodvander, what do you exactly want to search , and where?
[08:03] <gotwig> jarodvander, have you tried gnome-search-utility
[08:03] <jarodvander> gotwig I wanna activate applets in unity. have to go with "dconf" to "desktop-unity-panel" ... but there isn't an entry called "panel" ... any hints?
[08:04] <gotwig> jarodvander, oh yeah right. Applets. What do you mean by that? The old legacies from gnome 2 ?
[08:04] <jarodvander> yes
[08:04] <jarodvander> is there any gui, to manage my applets an add this to the panel?
[08:05] <jarodvander> add them
[08:07] <husnainlatif> switching OS
[08:07] <gotwig> jarodvander, there is no support for this
[08:07] <gotwig> jarodvander, I dont even know how to do it in 13.04 :/ But IMHO it was a good decision
[08:08] <gotwig> jarodvander, it seems there is a whitelist in dconf
[08:09] <jarodvander> ohm.. i successfully added sysmonitor to the panel, it works, but i want to have a gui, isn't it possible?
[08:09] <jarodvander> yeah, but where i can find the whitelist?
[08:09] <jarodvander> is there an file anywhere?
[08:09] <gotwig> jarodvander, some guys wrote on the internetz that the list is hardcoded
[08:09] <ditchwindows> is it ideal to encrypt your home folder? - this just popped up when installing.
[08:09] <gordonjcp> ditchwindows: probably not
[08:10] <gordonjcp> ditchwindows: if you really, really don't want people poking through your files it can help
[08:10] <gotwig> ditchwindows, when you lose the key, you lose all your data if you forget your password
[08:10] <ditchwindows> gordonjcp: in before NSA? lol
[08:10] <gordonjcp> ditchwindows: it makes things slower
[08:10] <gordonjcp> as gotwig if you forget the key your data is gone
[08:10] <gordonjcp> if you have any disk problems, your data is gone
[08:10] <jarodvander> hmm
[08:11] <Mark___> If you have any disk problems, just email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:11] <gordonjcp> with an unencrypted partition you can usually get *something* back when your disk fails
[08:11] <gotwig> jarodvander, http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/how-to-get-systray-whitelist-back-in.html
[08:12] <ditchwindows> gordonjcp: hmm, i never tend to lose my password[s], what do you mean it makes things slower?
[08:12] <jarodvander> gotwig thx, i will look
[08:12] <weemann> hi
[08:12] <savio> Hi
[08:14] <rigo88> hi. if i installed the system with uefi, and i had to exchange the mainboard, than i have to reinstall the system? (the mainboard is just the same typ.)
[08:14] <bekks> rigo88: No.
[08:14] <bekks> rigo88: You should backup everything, thats "all".
[08:15] <rigo88> than do u have any idea why my system does not start? i have a secondary hdd what contains an "old" system. and that boots up, no matter that the ssd is set up as primary.
[08:15] <rigo88> dont have any clue whats wrong.
[08:15] <bekks> rigo88: uefi secure mode enabled.
[08:15] <rigo88> in the bios?
[08:15] <weemann> my laptop has AMD 4200 graphic chip. Previous version Ubuntu run fine but latest i cannot use AMD graphic driver due to xorg update.
[08:15] <gotwig> rigo88, yeah, you can check it, if its enabled, in the bios
[08:16] <weemann> Laptop runs 15c cooler running proprietary AMD driver
[08:18] <weemann> are there any laptops that have removable graphics cards at a sensible price sub £400 ?
[08:19] <rigo88> im checking it. u mean the old board or in the new?
[08:21] <bekks> weemann: There arent even reasonable laprops with removable graphic cards at all.
[08:21] <hotmedal> I have a bcm4313 wifi card on my Lenovo G580, I can connect only to unsecured wifi networks. I'm using the "wl" drivers. brmcsmac is blacklisted. Any solutions?
[08:21] <bekks> weemann: unload wl, load brmcsmac
[08:21] <spyder> on running chroot /mnt/one /bin/bash in live cd i get this error
[08:21] <spyder> chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[08:21] <spyder> how do i correct it?
[08:21] <hotmedal> bekks: whoah is that for me?
[08:22] <bekks> spyder: You are using a 32bit live cd for chrooting into a 64bit environment, which is technically impossible.
[08:22] <bekks> hotmedal: yeah, sorry.
[08:22] <rigo88> i dont have such a thing.
[08:22] <rigo88> nowhere.
[08:22] <hotmedal> but using brmcsmac like I was before, I couldn't even see those networks
[08:24] <rigo88> gotwig: any ide? if the bios recognises the ssd than it is... definetely plugged in right?
[08:24] <lvlingli> When I upgrade my ubuntu to the latest release, I can't run my virtual machine by vbox.
[08:24] <MonkeyDust> lvlingli  yes, i did it
[08:24] <lvlingli> Anyone can help me?
[08:24] <bekks> lvlingli: Then reinstall the vbox kernel modules.
[08:24] <gotwig> rigo88, maybe the uefi partition is on the wrong disk..?
[08:24] <bekks> lvlingli: How to do so, is described in the vbox manual.
[08:24] <MonkeyDust> lvlingli  do you have virtual machines now, and you're afraid they'll be lost after upgrading?
[08:24] <lvlingli> bekks: THX,I 'll try.
[08:25] <gotwig> rigo88, do you know that there is a package called "bootrepair" which can help you to repair your boot setup?
[08:25] <gotwig> it works with uefi
[08:25] <rigo88> gotwig: like i saied everything is just the same. i pulled out the cables from the old board plugged them in to the new. in the same slots. :)
[08:25] <rigo88> ok. if my system does not start up how could i use that?
[08:25] <rigo88> live cd?
[08:25] <lvlingli> I can't run this '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[08:25] <gotwig> rigo88, yeah, something like that
[08:25] <hotmedal> rigo88: it's called boot-repair and it worked wonders for me
[08:26] <bekks> lvlingli: Then uninstall the ubuntu version of vbox and install the official vbox version from the official website. you will not lose any vms.
[08:26] <gotwig> rigo88, I think you are just missing the right UEFI boot entry
[08:26] <rigo88> can it be damaged somehow?
[08:26] <gotwig> rigo88, you can find it out for your own, and add it as an entry in the BIOS... but that is kind of some work
[08:27] <lvlingli> bekks: OK
[08:27] <lvlingli> bekks: thanks
[08:27] <gotwig> rigo88, I dont think so ... :O
[08:27] <gotwig> rigo88, do you know how uefi works?
[08:27] <hotmedal> bekks: any ideas for my wifi problem?
[08:27] <rigo88> i started up the system tomorrow morning, the board just came, i shut down the system, put in the new board and it does not work now.
[08:27] <rigo88> gotwig: actually no. i dont.
[08:27] <rigo88> but im interested :D
[08:28] <gotwig> rigo88, and that is why ubuntu is awesome...
[08:28] <bekks> hotmedal: No, sorry.
[08:28] <gotwig> under other systems its such a mess to setup uefi ...
[08:28] <hotmedal> ok
[08:28] <Beetle559> I've been having uefi nightmares all night
[08:29] <gotwig> rigo88, basicly there is a EFI partition (typically formated as a FAT32 partition with 200 MB of space), which hols different .efi files and such. You start a .efi file from uefi, and that boots the system. You would have to find the right .efi file, and add it as a UEFI boot entry to the bios
[08:29] <Beetle559> Gave up on mint in the end and hoping for success with ubuntu
[08:29] <gotwig> *holds
[08:29] <gotwig> you can only start .efi files from UEFI.
[08:29] <MonkeyDust> Beetle559  yes, uefi is a pain
[08:29] <MonkeyDust> !uefi
[08:29] <praveen> hi all..!!! one of my front audio jack  in ubuntu (the right one only)  is working but the left one is not. i have already installed gnome alsa mixer. please help.
[08:30] <gotwig> the funny thing is, that UEFI still calls the setup of the motherboard "BIOS"
[08:30] <gotwig> its more a replacement for MBR I guess, instead of BIOS
[08:30] <gotwig> there still is a bios...
[08:30] <bekks> gotwig: Because that point is configuring the basic input/output system ;)
[08:31] <bekks> the MBR exists with UEFI too, since the MBR is the first sector of a harddisk.
[08:31] <gotwig> if there would be only UEFI... the world would go down =)
[08:31] <gotwig> bekks, ok...
[08:31] <gordonjcp> UEFI rocks
[08:31] <gordonjcp> BIOSes need to die
[08:31] <gotwig> rigo88, so, you can try boot-repair (which I believe adds a UEFI entry) or add the entry for your own
[08:31] <Beetle559> I enabled legacy, enabled boot from usb, i created a livedvd, I did everything I should + or -<PHONE_NUMBER> Google searches.   I found that out at 2 AM in the morning.
[08:33] <gotwig> Zenbook UX32VD here
[08:33] <rigo88> i.c. i check after.
[08:33] <Beetle559> Sorry, that was trying to install Mint. I'm downloading ubuntu now
[08:33] <gordonjcp> gotwig: buggy UEFI?
[08:34] <hotmedal> Beetle559: good luck :D
[08:34] <gordonjcp> gotwig: on PC hardware there is no restriction on what UEFI can boot
[08:34] <gotwig> gordonjcp, I dont know. Nowadays vendors ship all the time corrupt software, and later do patches to fix the most general things.
[08:35] <SeanHosie54> does any one know if you can remove the encryption password on the installation ?
[08:35] <gotwig> Beetle559, you need to know how it works, if you want to work with it. So easy.
[08:35] <shadej> hey guys
[08:35] <shadej> how do i add rewrite_modulte on apache2 after installation?
[08:35] <gordonjcp> gotwig: I guess a PC manufacturer *could* sell a PC without the ability to disable booting non-Windows OSes, but that's possible with the BIOS too
[08:35] <gordonjcp> gotwig: IBM tried that about 20 years ago and it nearly sunk them
[08:35] <Beetle559> I'm hoping it will be easy with ubuntu. Mint doesn't have much uefi support
[08:36] <gotwig> gordonjcp, btw. I am not talking about secure boot here.
[08:36] <gotwig> maybe, there just was no way to boot UEFI via USB
[08:36] <gotwig> Beetle559, how do you know that. Its basicly the same
[08:37] <gordonjcp> gotwig: aha, no
[08:37] <gordonjcp> gotwig: you load a UEFI boot loader and the ISO on to your USB stick, same as you do for a Mac
[08:37] <Beetle559> Still, it didn't seem right. I couldn't find an example of anyone else with the same problem. Others have enabled legacy mode and booted from usb/dvd no problem.
[08:37] <gordonjcp> gotwig: dead easy
[08:37] <gotwig> gordonjcp, ? I dont know whats the context
[08:38] <gordonjcp> gotwig: booting UEFI-only hardware from USB
[08:38] <gotwig> Beetle559, have you tried to use a new firmware?
[08:38] <Beetle559> Did an MD5 check, the file was okay. Double checked with MagicISO, the file was bootable.
[08:38] <gotwig> gordonjcp, I told you that my firmware wasnt able to do it.
[08:38] <Beetle559> New firmware will be next
[08:38] <bekks> "uefi only" doesnt say anything about "secure mode enabled/disabled" at all.
[08:38] <hotmedal> Question: why is wifi on ubuntu so damned buggy?
[08:39] <bekks> hotmedal: Because its not.
[08:39] <gotwig> hotmedal, because NetworkManager is kind of bad implemented
[08:39] <bekks> hotmedal: Did you follow the wiki page to get your chipset running?
[08:39] <hotmedal> bekks: I always manage to run into trouble with it
[08:39] <hotmedal> bekks: which one?
[08:39] <tr0n> just disable then re enable wireless
[08:40] <gotwig> hotmedal, funny that you ask him for the wiki page for your chipset
[08:40] <thesignal> hi, i just noticed a mistake on the ubuntu website where i can download an iso file
[08:40] <Beetle559> Do you lose your secure boot signatures if you "flash bios" (or uefi equivalent)?
[08:40] <thesignal> who should i talk to, reporting this?
[08:40] <hotmedal> gotwig: it's a bcm4313, I already said. And I also told him about the steps I have taken to make the networks appear. But I cnnot connect to secure networks
[08:41] <gotwig> Beetle559, no way.
[08:41] <gotwig> Beetle559, nowadays Windows 8 serials are integrated into UEFI, you no longer get a key code
[08:41] <bekks> !b43 | hotmedal
[08:41] <Beetle559> So I can update the 'bios' and and won't lose access to win8?
[08:42] <gotwig> Beetle559, do you know what a UEFI boot entry is..?
[08:42] <gotwig> I think I better go to launch..
[08:42] <hotmedal> bekks thanks, I folowed steps in forums
[08:42] <gordonjcp> oh great, apt has got itself in a knot *again*
[08:42] <gordonjcp> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:43] <gotwig> gordonjcp, whats the problem
[08:43] <azi`> hm.. is there a way to make pipes in paralel? as in foo | bar making foo and bar run as parallel processes?
[08:43] <gordonjcp> so, run that, it wants to download and install 121MB of packages
[08:43] <gordonjcp> I don't want it to do that though, I want it to uninstall a bunch of stuff
[08:43] <gotwig> gordonjcp, lol ^^
[08:43] <Beetle559> I'm still stuck in bios think. Is "updating the firmware" analagous to flashing bios?
[08:44] <gordonjcp> gotwig: nuke and pave time
[08:44] <thesignal> I want to report a problem on the ubuntu-website, who should i talk to, to report the issue?
[08:44] <gotwig> Beetle559, To boot windows, you just need the right boot entry
[08:44] <elixir> Hi, I use Ununtu 12.10 and more often these days, my mouse stops working all of a sudde, any help please, I am not able to fix this.
[08:44] <Beetle559> right
[08:44] <gotwig> Beetle559, all BIOS/UEFI stuff is typically integrated into the BIOS/UEFi thing, or into the UEFI System Partition
[08:44] <gotwig> Beetle559, a boot entry consists of a name for the entry, the device its for, and the path to the right .efi file
[08:44] <iceroot> thesignal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug
[08:45] <bekks> azi`: a pipe always runs in parallel.
[08:45] <gotwig> Beetle559, I dont think that a firmware upgrade is going to delete you the entry, and the system partition
[08:45] <rand> Elixir, wireless mouse? check the batteries?
[08:45] <Beetle559> Wait. UEFI software is stored on the hdd?
[08:45] <gotwig> Beetle559, Yes it is is stored even on a partition, unlike MBR/BIOS
[08:45] <elixir> rand: no, the cursor of mouse, Mousepad nt working
[08:45] <gotwig> Beetle559, typically its the first partition on the hdd, its formated as fat32
[08:46] <gotwig> (for uefi windows 8 vendor dudes)
[08:46] <thesignal> iceroot: ty
[08:46] <gotwig> under macs its formated as HFS+
[08:46] <elixir> rand: even right now its fixed at a point on my screen, I've to work with keyboard only
[08:46] <elixir> rand: this problem does't occur on Windows
[08:46] <gotwig> Beetle559, now, every bootloader should in best case create a directory for his own bootloader, place the relevant .efi files there, and than add a boot entry to UEFI. Thats it.
[08:46] <rand> elixir, so it's a laptop?
[08:47] <gotwig> Beetle559, The path for the ubuntu .efi file is known. You can try to do the boot entry for your own, if your BIOS allows to add bootentries
[08:47] <Sik> OK, so, still clueless with my problem. Anybody here who can help me? X complains that no screens have an usable configuration :/ Worked fine until I rebooted some hours ago. And no, I didn't change the hardware setup, nor do I have anything unusual there. Monitor: IBM G74. Video: GeForce 7300 GS. Using Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit.
[08:47] <gotwig> Beetle559, its a path something like "EFI\UBUNTU\herecomestheefifile.efi
[08:47] <gotwig> "
[08:47] <elixir> rand: yes
[08:48] <gotwig> Beetle559, if you want, I can tell you the proper path
[08:48] <Beetle559> Great info gotwig. TIL
[08:48] <ditchwindows> i just installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my second pc and it's acting REAL slow
[08:49] <gotwig> ditchwindows, which graphics cards are you using, Sir?
[08:49] <tr0n> try a diverative like linbutu
[08:49] <ditchwindows> gotwig: Nvidia 6150 onboard
[08:49] <Beetle559> I'm still downloading ubuntu, my problems were with mint wich has no uefi support right now.  I'll make my own boot entry for science. I may as well accept uefi is going to be around for a while
[08:53] <rigo88> ohci_hcd hc died
[08:53] <rigo88> whats this... :D
[08:53] <EMPHASIS_> Some people have no idea of propriety.
[08:53] <rigo88> should i send back the board where it came from?
[08:54] <gotwig> Beetle559, it basicly is not that easy :/ If you know where the .efi file is
[08:54] <gotwig> *dont know ;D
[08:54] <gotwig> there is no file browser in BIOS :( thats so sad
[08:54] <Beetle559> Learning that it's all stored on the hdd and not it's own chip helped a lot
[08:54] <Sik> ditchwindows: if I recall correctly there was a driver regression at some point that made compositing horribly slow (happened to me), so the non-compositing shells turned out to be faster. That's why I mentioned it. Nvidia's fault :/
[08:55] <elixir> rand: just found the solution here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/66907/touchpad-not-working-on-msi-u130-after-login-in , thanks for concern ;-)
[08:55] <gotwig> Beetle559, yeah.. like I said Fat32 for windows 8 vendors, hfs+ for mac os x (lol, I am a hackintosh dude ^^)
[08:55] <Beetle559> That makes updating a lot easier anyway
[08:55] <MonkeyDust> gotwig  you have to google it, because you're not yet familiar with it
[08:55] <gotwig> MonkeyDust, no, because I know what I need.. but not exactly
[08:56] <gotwig> my brain is very bad at saving info I dont regulary need
[08:56] <gotwig> but who cares :O
[08:57] <ditchwindows> Sik:  where would i begin to disable it? i've tried gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager false
[08:59] <Sik> ditchwindows: in the login screen, just choose another shell there
[09:00] <Sik> Not all the shells use compositing
[09:02] <ditchwindows> Sik: im at the login screen right now, i have my user name top left, password login, guest, remote login, top right corner onscreen keyboard, internet connections, volume, clock, suspend, shutdown, reset - i don't see anything about the shell selection
[09:02] <rigo88> well i found the efi file... but it is binary.
[09:02] <opasnost> I've been having a problem with facebook ubuntu is not able to gain access
[09:03] <Sik> ditchwindows: check the buttons, one of them chooses the shell for the current session (and no, I don't think it has a name)
[09:03] <Sik> ditchwindows: oh right, select your user, then when it prompts the password there it lets you choose the shell
[09:04] <rigo88> ill try with live cd if i come back. now i have to go thanks for the support!
[09:04] <rigo88> bye
[09:05] <ditchwindows> Sik: oy vey, lol i don't even see that even when i select it.. fml lol - i swear!
[09:06] <Sik> ditchwindows: if I could look I'd try to help, but I'm not even using the default login screen :/ (and I'm stuck with the terminal right now because X refuses to boot, so that won't help)
[09:07] <Sik> ditchwindows: look next to the button that lets you select the keyboard layout and such? Otherwise at a corner of the login prompt... Otherwise no idea, I can't tell what's in your login screen x_x; It should be somewhere there though, I swear. Otherwise you can't change shells.
[09:09] <dementeddemigod> Sik/ditchwindows. I'm running 13.04 and I don't think the option to change shells is on the screen anymore :( I just tried in a VM and it down't stand out where it used to be
[09:09] <dementeddemigod> * used to be there so you could change between unity 2/3d from memory
[09:10] <opasnost> looks like all I had to do was log out of facebook in my web browser completely . Then go through with the log in through Facebook
[09:11] <kostkon_> dementeddemigod: it now appears only when youve installed additional DEs
[09:11] <Sik> So basically dementeddemigod needs to install the other shells?
[09:11] <dementeddemigod> koston: cheers, nice to know
[09:12] <Sik> Well, at least that makes more sense
[09:12] <dementeddemigod> * make that kostkon_ ;)
[09:22] <praveen> hi all..!!! one of my front audio jack in ubuntu (the right one only) is working but the left one is not. i have already installed gnome alsa mixer. please help.
[09:23] <Sik> Well, since my problem still is not solved: what can make X sudden of all decide that the screen is not usable? I didn't change the hardware nor the drivers and they had worked just fine until today. Any ideas?
[09:26] <dementeddemigod> Sik: sorry got nothing. I had it happen to me in 11.04/11.10 (can't remember which) and never resolved it. Ended up re-installing :(
[09:26] <Sik> :/
[09:27] <ditchwindows> Sik:  is it possible to Disable compiz using compiz config manager?
[09:27] <Sik> Never tried
[09:28] <ditchwindows> Sik: is it the Unity?
[09:28] <Sik> Also with 11.x the issue I had was compositing would make the shell hang, rather than just slow down... Another reason why I never enable compositing -_-'
[09:28] <Sik> Never used Unity, sticking to GNOME
[09:28] <ditchwindows> Sik: me neither lol
[09:29] <Sik> But basically the only fix is sticking to the non-accelerated shells :/
[09:29] <ditchwindows> Sik: i personally prefered GNOME over unity.
[09:30] <Sik> Also ugh, I'd rather not have to reinstall Ubuntu -_-' (and moreover, first of all figure out why X may stop working sudden of all - I wonder if some update outright made it incompatible with my monitor, in which case I'm completely screwed)
[09:30] <MonkeyDust> ditchwindows  unity is a shell over gnome, you probably mean gnome2
[09:31] <Guest77746> test
[09:31] <MonkeyDust> Guest77746  it works, you're in
[09:31] <Sik> MonkeyDust: I said GNOME :P But yeah, though there's also GNOME3, which is why I didn't say a number
[09:31] <ditchwindows> MonkeyDust: i've never had to experience the unity crap, and persoanlly i hate it  already lol
[09:32] <Sik> Does anybody know if Ubuntu dropped support for some kinds of monitors?
[09:32] <ditchwindows> awesome disabled Unity to default, now when i rebooted there is NOTHING LOL just desktop.. :(
[09:33] <ditchwindows> so.. 13.04 is lame, can't change shells and such from what i can see
[09:34] <Ben64> ditchwindows: yes you can, and what do you mean by "shells"
[09:34] <bekks> ditchwindows: You can change user login shells as you like in every ubuntu.
[09:35] <Sik> Ben64: do you still have that link you sent me earlier? (shortened please, I need to type it by hand and IRC advances too fast)
[09:35] <ditchwindows> well its a secret on this version cause its hiding on me
[09:35] <Sik> ditchwindows: I wonder if it uninstalled all other shells >.>'
[09:35] <Ben64> Sik: i didn't send you one
[09:35] <k1l> ditchwindows: are you done with your unity rants?
[09:35] <bekks> ditchwindows: Define "its" and please state what you actually want to do.
[09:35] <ditchwindows> im running Nvidia 6150 onboard, and its lagging tits
[09:35] <Sik> OK who did then?
[09:35] <Sik> :/
[09:35] <Ben64> Sik: if you know anything the url contained i can search my logs for it
[09:36] <Sik> Yeah, why X stopped working on Ubuntu
[09:36] <Ben64> Sik: i mean like a phrase or something that was in the url
[09:36] <ditchwindows> k1l: i've ran ubuntu with earlier versions, i was able to change the shell or whatever it's called, but with this one i can't.
[09:36] <Sik> Ack, don't remember the exact phrase, it was from Ubuntu's own site though :X
[09:36] <Ben64> ditchwindows: ask a question instead of ranting and you might be able to get an answer
[09:36] <k1l> ditchwindows: which shell?
[09:36] <bekks> ditchwindows: You can always change a user login shell. As you can change your desktop environment.
[09:37] <Ace> is there any feedback on installing eclipse latest version on Ubuntu 13.04 ?
 Ben64: do you still have that link you sent me earlier? (shortened please, I need to type it by hand and IRC advances t
[09:37] <k1l> ditchwindows: what do you want to achieve?
[09:37] <ditchwindows> anything that wont lag
[09:37] <Ben64> uh... wrong paste... Jun 15 2013 00:51:38 <gotwig>	Sik, http://alexsleat.co.uk/2011/03/04/how-to-fix-fatal-server-error-no-screens-found-ubuntu/
[09:37] <k1l> ditchwindows: you mean you want another desktop?
[09:37] <ditchwindows> i just want to use ubuntu without it lagging, that's all
[09:37] <MonkeyDust> ditchwindows  lxde and xfce are fast and popular
[09:38] <ditchwindows> like when you're navigating it's VERY SLOW, but once your in an application and such it works fine
[09:38] <MonkeyDust> ditchwindows  http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg
[09:38] <Sik> OK managed to copy it somehow XD
[09:38] <k1l> ditchwindows: so install lubuntu-desktop or the xubuntu-desktop
[09:38] <ditchwindows> Gnome2 would be ideal
[09:39] <MonkeyDust> ditchwindows  fallback-session is very similar to gnome2
[09:39] <k1l> gnome2 is dead, ditchwindows
[09:39] <k1l> you should have gotten the memo
[09:40] <ditchwindows> k1l: why's that?
[09:40] <k1l> ditchwindows: ask gnome why they stopped with it.
[09:40] <Sik> Damn, the backup xorg.conf is broken too :(
[09:40] <Sik> Er failsafe
[09:40] <Ben64> Sik: what version ubuntu?
[09:41] <Sik> 12.04 64-bit
[09:41] <Sik> (yes, the LTS one :P)
[09:41] <dementeddemigod> ditchwindows: there is a gnome DE installable directly from ubuntu software centre. I presume it's v3
[09:41] <Ben64> Sik: are you on another computer right now, or what?
[09:42] <dementeddemigod> ditchwindows: you've probably already answered this but, what version are you running and how much RAM do you have?
[09:42] <ditchwindows> dementeddemigod: Ubuntu 13.04 - 64bit, 4GB
[09:42] <Sik> Ben64: on this one! Stuck with the terminal :(
[09:42] <dementeddemigod> lol, fair enough
[09:43] <dementeddemigod> not a memory issue then. I've only had unity crawl when it's been in a VM with way too little memory
[09:43] <Sik> That's also why I can't copypaste links and see images :/
[09:43] <Ben64> dementeddemigod: rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something else, then do "sudo service lightdm start"
[09:43] <Sik> (also that this is the only system in the entire house connected to internet is not helping)
[09:43] <Ben64> wrong tab, sorry dementeddemigod
[09:43] <Ben64> Sik: that one's for you
[09:44] <dementeddemigod> Ben64, no worries ;) I'm running 3 different 13.04 boxes and don't have any DE problems ;)
[09:44] <ditchwindows> EXFCE doesn't look too shabby, if it will work with my current system
[09:44] <Ben64> xfce works with everything
[09:44] <Sik> Ben64: erm... and then? (startx still fails, mind you)
[09:44] <statl> ditchwindows: If gnome 2 is ideal for you, take a look at mate.
[09:45] <Ben64> Sik: startx isn't the right way to start x, don't listen to it's name
[09:45] <Ben64> mate isn't supported here
[09:45] <Sik> Well I'm using it to tell if X is even able to boot at all
[09:45] <Sik> It keeps throwing out the same error
[09:45] <Ben64> thats not really a reliable test
[09:45] <Ben64> sudo service lightdm start
[09:45] <Sik> Already did
[09:45] <Ben64> thats the correct way
[09:45] <statl> Ben64: But we can at least tell him about its existence?
[09:46] <Sik> Stuck at after starting MIDI emulation
[09:46] <Ben64> gnome 2 is dead. just let it die
[09:46] <k1l> statl: which doesnt help him, because he wopnt get help in here with it
[09:46] <Sik> GNOME Classic is GNOME3 behaving like GNOME2, right?
[09:47] <k1l> Sik: yes, but its not the full old behaviour. some parts like configuration of the panel are missing
[09:47] <Sik> But it's similar in use :|
[09:48] <Sik> The only serious change I noticed was the system settings being moved elsewhere
[09:48] <k1l> i see most people complaining because its not a full gnome2 desktop. i suggest to use xfce instead
[09:48] <statl> k1l: aye
[09:48] <xwalk> Would anyone know how to use these color codes in the PS1 variable? I think I've tried every wrong way and can't seem to find the right way syntax-wise or otherwise. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizingBashPrompt
[09:49] <martin__> hi. Please help me with pulseaudio. I've great problems with skype. Echo on microphone input (headset) and the output is fixed to HDMI! I cannot change it to the headset!
[09:49] <energizer> I noticed some network usage on my indicator, ran nethogs, and it told me that in addition to dropbox, chrome, etc, this program was running: "20.27:22-<IP_ADDRESS>"
[09:49] <xwalk> I don't really understand expansion in bash even though I've read on it a lot and I think that's the reason I'm having problems.
[09:49] <energizer> what is that?
[09:49] <ditchwindows> sorry brb
[09:49] <Sik> martin__: I'm not sure Skype uses PulseAudio, I think it's talking to ALSA directly *sigh* (does somebody know for sure?)
[09:49] <bekks> energizer: Thats no program at all. Looks like a malformed IP address.
[09:50] <energizer> bekks it appears in the PROGRAM column of nethogs, though without a DEV like eth0
[09:51] <martin__> Sik: I'm using skype version 4.2 which talks to pulseaudio directly
[09:51] <dementeddemigod> energizer: run "netstat -plantu" to see all your open network connections. It will tell you each of the processes (by name) that are connected or waiting. Then you can do some research on each one
[09:52] <bekks> energizer: Can you upload a screenshot of that output somewhere?
[09:53] <energizer> looks like it disappeared and the network activity dropped...
[09:54] <bekks> energizer: I guess it was just some malformed output of nethogs.
[09:54] <Sik> martin__: OK :S I just know that Skype is doing something weird because it constantly messes up the sound of all other programs
[09:54] <energizer> aite thanks bekks
[09:55] <Sik> Ben64: what was that command you told me to run actually do...
[09:56] <Sik> Alt+F8 shows an empty screen
[09:56] <bekks> Sik: On tty8, usually, there is nothing.
[09:57] <Sik> tty7 has a wall of text
[09:57] <bekks> Sik: The "normal" x server runs on tty7, reachable with alt+f7
[09:57] <Ben64> Sik: starts up the gui stuffs
[09:57] <Sik> Alt+F7 should send me to the GUI?
[09:57] <Ben64> yep
[09:58] <Sik> Nope :/
[09:58] <Sik> I just get the wall of text from when Ubuntu boots
[09:58] <bekks> alt+f7 doesnt start up anything. It changes the tty to be displayed.
[09:58] <Ben64> something is messed up pretty good
[09:58] <dementeddemigod> Sik: whats the last few lines about?
[09:58] <bekks> If the X server isnt running, there is nothing to display.
[09:58] <Sik> Er... OpenArena and Timidity
[09:59] <Sik> bekks: X complains that the screen is not usable
[09:59] <bekks> Sik: So the X server isnt running.
[09:59] <Ben64> did you rename the xorg.conf
[09:59] <Sik> Ben64: removed, used nvidia-xconfig, used the failsafe, neither thing worked so far
[09:59] <Sik> It looks like X is decided to reject my monitor
[09:59] <Ben64> which video card, and which driver?
[10:00] <Sik> GeForce 7300GS, Nvidia 304.88
[10:00] <Ben64> ok, 304 is the latest that supports that card
[10:01] <Sik> Ben64: there are several 304.xx drivers
[10:01] <Noskcaj> is there a planet ubuntu challenge
[10:01] <M-WiGBold> well
[10:01] <Sik> But in any case it was working just fine until today :|
[10:01] <Noskcaj> s/challenge/channel
[10:01] <M-WiGBold> Good afternoon
[10:02] <M-WiGBold> is their anybody who knows how to use pidgin together with the TOR network?
[10:02] <bekks> !broadcom > bekks
[10:03] <Ben64> Sik: do you see any nvidia stuff if you type "ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms"
[10:03] <Sik> nvidia_current_updates.ko nvidia_experimental_304.ko
[10:04] <Sik> Ben64: if this helps, even when forcing Ubuntu to boot with the VESA driver X *still* refuses to work...
[10:04] <Esokrates> hi, does anyone know if google hangout plugin is open source? Because I have read so, but never found the code :(
[10:05] <Ben64> Sik: grep -i nv /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist*
[10:06] <eltigre> Hey, stupid question: if I have /dev/usb0, what command do I need to stream the input from that into a file?
[10:06] <Sik> /etc/modprobe.b/blacklist-framebuffer.conf:blacklist nvidiafb <newline> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-local.conf:blacklist nvidia_173
[10:06] <eltigre> /dev/ttyUSB0 actually
[10:07] <dementeddemigod> eltigre: cat /dev/ttyUSB0 > filename
[10:07] <bekks> eltigre: You can do so using cat, minicom, etc.
[10:08] <dementeddemigod> eltigre: note the ">" means you OVERWRITE the file if there is anything in it already
[10:09] <Ben64> Sik: ok... run sudo nvidia-xconfig again and pastebin the config it creates
[10:10] <Sik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5767340/
[10:10] <bekks> !rootirc | Guest42061
[10:10] <Guest41711> hey all, I'm having a problem with installing gdm themes.  I've tried using gnome-tweak-tool, ubuntu-tweak-tool, and nothing works.  I tried going to system->preferences->login window and there is nothing of the sort there.  Am I missing something?
[10:11] <bekks> Guest41711: That rootirc paste was for you.
[10:11] <Sik> jcporter you mean...
[10:11] <bekks> -.-
[10:11] <Sik> :P
[10:11] <Sik> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5767340
[10:13] <Ben64> Sik: and that doesn't work? (try the lightdm thing)
[10:13] <jcporter> Oops!
[10:13] <Sik> ...wait a second, is it me or did nvidia-xconfig generate something different this time?
[10:13] <jcporter> So what am I missing?
[10:13] <Sik> (33Hz horizontal refresh rate sounds like it can't get to 1024x768...)
[10:14] <Ben64> Sik: whats the resolution of the monitor
[10:14] <Sik> CRT! :P
[10:14] <Sik> I use 1024x768 but it can do higher
[10:15] <Sik> VESA mode tries to force 1280x1024 :v
[10:17] <hotmedal> I have a bcm4313, I cannot connect to secure wifi connections using the wl driver and I can't see any connections using the brcmsmac driver.
[10:17] <hotmedal> bekks: I rtfm, still no luck
[10:18] <Sik> ...welp
[10:18] <Sik> Now not even the Nvidia driver wants to boot
[10:18] <Sik> Either that or I did so much stuff in this session that processes are fighting over each other
[10:19] <Ben64> Sik: try replacing these two sections of the xorg config with these http://pastebin.com/6jnLxqD6
[10:20] <Ben64> Sik: and what do you mean nvidia driver ... boot
[10:20] <Sik> Ben64: looked at Xorg.0.log, now the Nvidia driver aborts :/
[10:20] <MonkeyDust> !bcm | hotmedal is this useful
[10:20] <hotmedal> that's what I read
[10:20] <Ben64> Sik: with what error
[10:21] <Sik> "Failing initialization of X screen 0"
[10:21] <Ben64> well try my xorg.conf modifications
[10:22] <hotmedal> MonkeyDust: the only thing I haven't tried is the ndiswrapper. I don't want to try it, the other drivers should work.
[10:22] <Ben64> hotmedal: you could always try getting a different wireless card : /
[10:22] <hotmedal> Ben64: but this is a new laptop, I don't want to butcher it
[10:22] <hotmedal> yet
[10:23] <MonkeyDust> hotmedal  i don't use wifi myself, but you should also explore rfkill
[10:23] <hotmedal> ok
[10:23] <Ben64> hotmedal: usb wireless?
[10:23] <Sik> Ben64: will take a while, I have to copy by hand -_-'
[10:24] <Ben64> Sik: wget!
[10:24] <hotmedal> Ben64: I'm hoping for a software solution
[10:24] <Ben64> hotmedal: its not a very supported chip, blame broadcom
[10:24] <Sik> Ben64: do I need to copy all the ModeLines? '-'
[10:25] <hotmedal> Ben64: lol, true
[10:25] <Ben64> Sik: you can remove some, but you have to remove them on the lower section too
[10:25] <Sik> Two sections? Ow
[10:25] <MonkeyDust> !info rfkill | hotmedal
[10:26] <Esokrates> hotmedal: usually if things don't work out of the box in ubuntu  (at least in terms of wifi drivers) this is not a good sign
[10:26] <hotmedal> MonkeyDust: yeah, it says everything is unblocked
[10:26] <hotmedal> Esokrates: umm, well of course not. What's your point?
[10:27] <Esokrates> hotmedal: us
[10:27] <Esokrates> hotmedal: sry ... that was by mistake ....
[10:27] <hotmedal> Kaidelong: hi there
[10:28] <Kaidelong> hello hotmedal, long time no see, you can PM me if you want to talk, this is not really the place for that (or head to #haskell-blah)
[10:29] <hotmedal> Kaidelong: yeah, I'm just strugling with my wifi card atm
[10:32] <Sik> Ben64: there's an Options "DMPS" here
[10:32] <Sik> What do I do?
[10:32] <Ben64> leave it, or take it away, shouldn't affect anything
[10:33] <Sik> OK
[10:34] <z3n0ps> I installed the Transitional package for driver management GUI , but where can i find it ?
[10:35] <Sik> Ben64: what now?
[10:35] <Sik> x_x;
[10:35] <Sik> Also is it OK to up the Gamma? (screen is a bit dark >.>)
[10:36] <Ben64> well see if you can even get a gui up first
[10:36] <Sik> OK how?
[10:36] <Sik> lightdm again?
[10:36] <Ben64> stop it first, then start it
[10:36] <k1l> z3n0ps: which ubuntu exactly?
[10:36] <Sik> ...how do I stop it
[10:36] <Ben64> sudo service lightdm stop
[10:36] <Sik> Throws me an error
[10:36] <Sik> I guess lightdm wasn't even starting up
[10:37] <k1l> Sik: sudo service lightdm stop #but this will kill the desktop with all programs
[10:37] <z3n0ps> ubuntu 12.04?
[10:37] <Sik> k1l: I can't even start X
[10:37] <Sik> :P
[10:37] <Ben64> k1l: there is no desktop, thats the problem
[10:37] <Sik> OK I'll start it then
[10:37] <k1l> dont try to startx start the lightdm. startx will cause root issues when starting with the correct lightdm afterwards
[10:38] <Sik> Aaaaaaaaaand same as before
[10:38] <Ben64> k1l: so is that part of the problem now? he did startx before
[10:38] <Ben64> i haven't had x problems for years
[10:38] <Sik> And startx promptly failed
[10:38] <Sik> I don't think X is running at all
[10:39] <k1l> Ben64: it could be. depends on the errors that appear
[10:39] <Sik> Then again I issued so many commands I should probably reboot *anyway*
[10:39] <bekks> Sik: startx failing is expected, since the correct way to start X is using lightdm.
[10:39] <Sik> k1l: X refuses to boot, it claims the screen doesn't have an usable configuration
[10:39] <Sik> Ugh, I'll just reboot and try again with this Xorg.conf
[10:39] <Sik> If I don't return in a while, it got fixed
[10:39] <Sik> :v
[10:40] <k1l> if the driver doesnt find the right resolution try to set up a proper xorg.conf
[10:41] <z3n0ps> k1l , Ubuntu 12.04
[10:41] <k1l> z3n0ps: that should have a driver option in the system settings overview. since 12.10 its in the software-sources section, iirc
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: ive had few users last night having issues with X after updates and reboot, max res 1024x768
[10:43] <sik> Well... that didn't do anything :|
[10:43] <z3n0ps> k1l, can't find it there.
[10:45] <z3n0ps> How do I install BCM43142 wireless drivers , i have i686 arch ?
[10:46] <k1l> !bcm43
[10:46] <k1l> !bcm43xx
[10:46] <k1l> z3n0ps: ^
[10:46] <raven_> traffic bonding: who has done that already? upstream to one device, downstream from another
[10:47] <sik> :/
[10:47] <sik> Should I just get the minimal installer and try to install 13.04?
[10:47] <sik> (and then hope that works)
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> sik: did you check your additional drivers?
[10:49] <sik> lotuspsychje: I'm stuck with the terminal!
[10:49] <z3n0ps> my Chip id is not displayed there ?
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> sik: did you try failsafeX from grub recovermode?
[10:49] <sik> Yes
[10:49] <sik> And nvidia-xconfig
[10:49] <sik> And custom Xorg.conf
[10:49] <sik> And no Xorg.conf
[10:49] <sik> Nothing works
[10:49] <FloodBot1> sik: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> sik: did that happen to youy after an update?
[10:50] <bekks> !enter | sik
[10:50] <hotmedal> z3n0ps: you need the bcmwl-kernel-source
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:50] <sik> lotuspsychje: no, suddenly earlier today after a reboot. Unless a security update broke it, I suppose (those install automatically).
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> sik: i had few users with same issues last night having this prob after a reboot/update
[10:51] <armin> hi, the "disable while typing" option in the touchpad preferences has no effect on my setup. anyone else experiencing this?
[10:51] <z3n0ps> hotmedal, I did the sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> sik: anything usefull to see in your logs?
[10:52] <hotmedal> z3n0ps: if that didn't help you thwn you and I are in the same boat.
[10:52] <ditchwindows> fixed my issue with the lagging with unity, thank god for gnome-session fallback!
[10:52] <hotmedal> I have a 4313, doesn't work
[10:52] <z3n0ps> I got couple of errors :- ERROR: Module b43 does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module b43legacy does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module ssb does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module brcm80211 does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module brcmfmac does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module brcmsmac does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <z3n0ps> ERROR: Module bcma does not exist in /proc/modules
[10:52] <FloodBot1> z3n0ps: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:52] <dementeddemigod> ditchwindows: how did you access it?
[10:53] <ditchwindows> sik: 13.04 never had the shell DE to change, i had to install gnome-session-fallback then it added the option to the login screen.
[10:53] <sik> lotuspsychje: could have been a security update that broke it...
[10:53] <sik> lotuspsychje: it says that the screen doesn't have an usable configuration so it refuses to use that (and since it's the only monitor it won't boot X afterwards)
[10:53] <sik> Ugh, so not installed by default? ._.'
[10:53] <ditchwindows> z3n0ps: please use http://paste.ubuntu.com/  for your error spam
[10:53] <connetcc> unity ........... you will scream............if you have a few browser window open
[10:53] <bekks> hotmedal: The 4313 works fine. What exactly did you do, and what "doesnt work" in detail?
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> sik: maybe xrandr can help?
[10:53] <ditchwindows> z3n0ps: sorry, floodbot beat me to it! haha
[10:53] <connetcc> you just can't navigate to each windows easily
[10:53] <sik> lotuspsychje: how?
[10:53] <ditchwindows> dementeddemigod: 13.04 never had the shell DE to change, i had to install gnome-session-fallback then it added the option to the login screen.
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> !xrandr | sik
[10:54] <hotmedal> bekks: I tried wl, it shows me the connections and I can connect to open networks, but not secured ones
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> sik: not sure if this will work
[10:54] <sik> lotuspsychje: ...I mean what do I do with it >.>'
[10:54] <ditchwindows> sik: nope, apparently they took it out ; http://www.liberiangeek.net/2013/04/no-unity-here-enable-classic-gnome-in-ubuntu-13-04/ was a useful link
[10:54] <z3n0ps> What should i do  to install my wireless driver ? I tried everything ?
[10:54] <hotmedal> bcmsmac doesn't show anything
[10:54] <connetcc> why ubuntu come with the default "remote login " and " guest login" ?
[10:54] <bekks> hotmedal: Doesnt show - when doing what?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> sik: maybe adding the resolution you need
[10:54] <connetcc> it's mind blowing
[10:54] <moose-machine> hi. i am thinking of buying the Microsoft Surface Pro. Does anyone know if I will be able to dual boot it with Ubuntu? It is really important for me else I won't buy.
[10:55] <hotmedal> in the dropdown menu of the tray after I modprobe it
[10:55] <MonkeyDust> connetcc  to improve the remote login experience
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> moose-machine: what does that program do?
[10:55] <sik> lotuspsychje: that's what I did with the custom Xorg.conf, the problem is that it outright won't even try the screen, period (and the Nvidia driver uses XRandR). Also X refuses to boot with the VESA driver too.
[10:55] <hotmedal> it does recognize the chip and allows me to soft on or off the wifi
[10:55] <the_eye_> I need to see ram speed from terminal. No root user. Any help ?
[10:56] <hotmedal> bekks: this is bcmsmac that I'm talking about
[10:56] <bekks> the_eye_: Without root user - no chance.
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> sik: how about booting into previous kernel to fix current issue
[10:56] <dementeddemigod> moose-machine: can't say for sure, but since there is now secure uefi support for linux boot it "should"
[10:56] <moose-machine> lotuspsychje: it is the Microsoft tablet
[10:56] <bekks> hotmedal: "doesnt recognize the chip" - how do you see that it doesnt do that?
[10:56] <raven_> traffic bonding: who has done that already? upstream to one device, downstream from another
[10:57] <moose-machine> lotuspsychje: ok. yes i haven't found much information to this effect online
[10:57] <hotmedal> bekks: I said that it does
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> !touch | moose-machine
[10:58] <moose-machine> lotuspsychje: fair enough. but it is not available yet and i need a tablet now.