[00:04] <hallyn_> smoser: your patch intorducing the ubuntu-cloud-prep hook removed code doing rm $rootfs/etc/hostname in the ubuntu-cloudtemplate, and didn't replace that anywhere
[00:04] <hallyn_> smoser: when I re-add that, ubuntu-cloud containers get their correct hostname.  Otherwise, they are always called ubuntu, as sidnei found
[00:26] <kantlivelong> ive got an interesting question maybe someone can help with.. i have an img of a single partition on a disk. is there a way i can make a partition table in a file and move the contents of the file into it? i basically wanna rebuild the disk as a file
[00:26] <SpinningWheels> recent development. my ubuntu servers don't use the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces on bootup. i have to ifdown ifup the interface or restart networking service for the configuration to be used.
[00:27] <sarnold> kantlivelong: why do you need the partition table?
[00:28] <kantlivelong> sarnold: i wanna make it bootable in vmware/virtualbox
[00:28] <kantlivelong> sarnold: so basically take a single partition dump made using dd
[00:28] <kantlivelong> sarnold: then recreate the partition table and put it in
[00:29] <kantlivelong> oh and i have a dump of the mbr too
[00:30] <kantlivelong> my only idea is to make a blank file using dd and treat it as a block device, partition it w/ parted then copy it over.. i just dont know how to have it handled as a block dev
[00:31] <sarnold> kantlivelong: if cfdisk or fdisk won't just work on a file, you can use a loop device to get there (man losetup)
[00:32] <sarnold> kantlivelong: but before putting too much effort into this yourself, look at the qemu-img --help and manpage and see if it can get you there without having to do the dd dirty work yourself
[00:32] <kantlivelong> sarnold: thanks :D didnt know of losetup
[00:32] <sarnold> (or, if you can just re-dd the disk, dd the whole thing rather than just the one partition.. :)
[00:32] <kantlivelong> sarnold: yeah theres alot of other partitions though :P its a multi boot system
[01:31] <smoser> hallyn_, that was by design. that should'nt really be necessary.
[02:31] <hallyn_> smoser: but it seems to be.  if i leave $rootfs/etc/hostname in place, it always is 'ubuntu' after starting the container
[02:31] <hallyn_> if i remove it, it has the correct hostname after lxc-start
[06:24] <MACscr> ok, i cant for the life of me get LXC to work with a normal bridge so that it gets an ip address from my routers dhcp server. Nat works great out of the box, but its not what i want =(
[06:25] <MACscr> seems all the intructions i have tried not only work, but are somehow different than each other.  Shouldnt something like this be pretty basic and not require a bunch of workarounds?
[06:26] <MACscr> also, should i use 12.04 or should i maybe use a newer version that might have better LXC support?
[07:59] <kami> Good morning.
[07:59] <kami> I have problems with NFS on a fresh install of 12.04.02.
[08:00] <kami> In /etc/exports, I have '/export *(rw,async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)'
[08:00] <kami> hosts.allow and hosts.deny are both empty
[08:02] <kami> When I try to mount the share, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/6013157/
[08:06] <kami> or better: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138579
[08:06] <kami> I wonder why it says "qword_eol: fflush failed: errno 2 (No such file or directory)"
[08:07] <kami> There IS such a directory as ls shows.
[08:32] <josephtacos> is the a new way to enable mod_rewrite in apache2.4.6? on ubuntu 13.10
[08:46] <josephtacos> is the a new way to enable mod_rewrite in apache2.4.6? on ubuntu 13.10
[09:03] <Quest> what choices do I have for type 1 virtualization and which one is better for installing  solaris and windows 2008 server r2 with multiple user access by remote computers (for both OS simultaneously)?
[09:29] <jamespage> smb, OK - I now have a functional dkms module based on the 1.11 branch of openvswitch
[09:29] <jamespage> only 12 patches to get to 3.11 support
[09:29] <smb> so simple? :-P
[09:31] <smb> jamespage, Do you want me to cross-check or are you just uploading it?
[09:31] <jamespage> smb, review would be nice
[09:32] <smb> jamespage, sure, just point me at the bzr branch
[09:32] <jamespage> smb, lp:~james-page/ubuntu/saucy/openvswitch/snapshot-1.11
[09:32] <smb> jamespage, k, looking
[10:06] <smb> jamespage, Only patch 1 sounds a bit like it might rely on some kernel implementation without adding compat elements but maybe that is not true. The rest is a lot of churn to look at. So I just try how the dkms module compiles and works on S and P.
[10:06] <jamespage> smb, I think thats a good idea!
[10:07] <jamespage> smb, my cherry picking was based on having to pick the GRE restructuring patch to support 3.11 usage
[10:07] <jamespage> otherwise I'd end up implementing a hacked compat patch for the piece
[10:11] <smb> jamespage, Oh yes, that sounds plausible. From 0012 it looks like even more moved into upstream headers. And in theory the openvswitch source tries to have the compat layer. So it is quite possible that some of the later patches actually does that. Looked like gre files might have been pulled in. Just hard to decide on a patch by patch base
[10:11] <jamespage> smb, it has - infact the upstream kernel module for openvswitch in 3.11 supports GRE
[10:11] <jamespage> oh - I cc'ed you didn't I
[10:11] <jamespage> doh!
[10:12] <smb> jamespage, You may or may not. Have not looked into my inbox for a while
[10:12] <jamespage> smb, yeah - upstream confirmed that was the case
[10:13] <jamespage> support for VXLAN tunnelling should come in 3.12
[10:13] <jamespage> smb, so hopefully we can ditch DKMS for 14.04 for openvswitch
[10:13] <jamespage> that would be nice!
[10:13] <smb> Heh, yep
[10:14] <jamespage> smb, bah - I have a system I've been testing with used ovs on the primary nic
[10:14] <jamespage> rmmod openvswitch was not a great idea over the network was it....
[10:14]  * jamespage faceplants
[10:16] <smb> Thats many systems to you. I also have often to be very careful about what I do where
[10:18] <jamespage> smb, OK _ I'm testing with the 3.2 kernel in precise as well
[10:19] <smb> jamespage, seems to have at least built in 3.2
[10:20] <jamespage> smb, thats good
[10:20] <jamespage> smb, just installing a 3.2 kernel on my precise system - normally run the hwe kernel
[10:22] <smb> jamespage, Oh, hm, need to make sure this is the right kernel...
[10:22] <jamespage> smb, well it built for 3.2
[10:22] <jamespage> thats good
[10:24] <smb> jamespage, Ok, yeah mine was a 3.2, too but one never can be sure
[10:24] <smb> The openflow test ran successful too
[10:25] <smb> jamespage, only the common part of loading unloading looks like it might suffer from upstart script problems
[10:26] <jamespage> smb, oh yes
[10:26] <jamespage> service openvswitch-switch force-reload-kmod
[10:26] <jamespage> that don't work with my latest updates
[10:28] <jamespage> smb, I'll update the tests
[10:31] <jamespage> smb, OK - updated tests pushed
[10:32] <smb> jamespage, Ok, that works on P
[10:36] <jamespage> smb, I've submitted the patch for 3.11 upstream and asked whether the patchset for 1.11 branch might be accepted - I don't think its technically released as yet!
[10:38] <smb> jamespage, Yeah I think we at least would have to wait for comments about the patchset from upstream. At least practical testing seemed good so far if that does not miss something
[10:41] <jamespage> smb, I'm going todo a quick gre tunnel test
[10:44] <smb> jamespage, Ok, I would try to go back finding any sanity in nested kvm
[10:50] <jamespage> smb, thanks for your help
[10:51] <jamespage> smb, GRE seems OK on 3.11 kernel but busted on 3.2
[10:51] <jamespage> which is a bit of a problem as I want to backport this for the cloud archive
[10:55] <smb> jamespage, Was that with only new dkms or userspace replaced too?
[10:55] <jamespage> smb, just dkms
[10:56] <smb> Hm, yeah that may get into trouble when the interfaces are different. :/
[10:58] <jamespage> smb, oh - hold on
[10:58] <jamespage> this might be something else interring with it on my precise machine
[10:58] <jamespage> I'm using vlan package as well
[10:58]  * jamespage tried on a different machine
[11:21] <jamespage> smb, nope - its bust
[11:21]  * jamespage debugs some more
[11:22] <jamespage> probably something in the gre compat layer I suspect
[11:24] <smb> jamespage, In some sense good that its not "just" some other dependency. I would suspect that some user-space facing part changed from their old implementation to those picked from the kernel.
[11:25] <jamespage> smb, I'll see
[11:25] <smb> Those are the cases where one wonders whether not the whole source should be pushed into older releases... Of course that will make any AA beat the foo out of me
[11:25] <jamespage> smb, well for the cloud archive you will get the userspace tools as well
[11:25] <jamespage> smb, rebuilding for precise now to see if that makes a difference
[11:26] <jamespage> smb, I doubled checked the lts-raring dkms backport we are providing for 12.04.3 - that works OK with gre
[11:26] <jamespage> and the 12.04 userspace tools
[11:27] <smb> I would think that the raring version still had their old gre code
[11:31] <jamespage> smb, hmm - interesting
[11:31] <jamespage> needs new userspace tools
[11:31]  * jamespage stops flapping
[11:44] <jamespage> smb, hmm - bug in there somewhere - as soon as I do stateful TCP connections over GRE I pretty quickly kill the machine
[11:45] <smb> jamespage, You mean even with Saucy and new tools? ... that would be bad
[11:45] <jamespage> smb, yes
[11:46] <jamespage> and I do mean that!
[11:46] <smb> darn
[11:46] <jamespage> smb, nothing in the kern.log
[11:48] <smb> jamespage, If a VM reacts the same way and does not take down the host, maybe a dump can be taken
[11:48] <smb> Though it seems 3.11 may have changed the dmesg format and crash has to play catch up
[11:48] <jamespage> smb, VM do  the same thing
[11:53] <jamespage> smb, OK - master of upstream with my 3.11 support enabled does not crash
[11:54] <jamespage> so I'm either missing a fix or I broke the backport
[11:55] <smb> Hm, neither particularly pleasant to find
[12:02] <jamespage> smb, also native kernel module is OK
[12:02] <jamespage> smb, so probably my backport - suspect I'm missing something
[12:02] <jamespage> I think I see
[12:06] <smb> Wished I could be a bit more helpful but I am not very good at multitasking :/
[13:56] <Jeeves_Moss> I'm trying to recover e-mails that were orignally in a Dovecot server.  I was able to recover all but one's e-mails from .PST files on the local system.  I currently have the directory where the e-mail files were orignally, but I'm lost hot to make a simple install so I can install JUST those e-mails, so I can connect with outlook and pull them into Exchange.
[13:59] <greppy> Jeeves_Moss: it may be simpler ( or harder ) than you think, if it was an IMAP server, you may be able to just convert from Maildir to Exchange, a google search may help you there.
[14:01] <Jeeves_Moss> greppy, I think (if memory serves), I've tried that.  I'm going to try spinning up the VM, and uncompressing the 6Gb file to the drive
[14:01] <Jeeves_Moss> greppy, if you're going to be around for a bit, I'd apericate any help you can offer
[14:09] <plars> jamespage: I'm having trouble getting my maas to get as far as a juju deploy for the 12.04.3 testing. If you have a simple way to do it in your environment again, it would be nice to have that result filled in on the iso tracker
[14:09] <jamespage> plars, sorry - I dont
[14:09] <plars> jamespage: I'm getting further than before, but it's one of the last remaining things we need before release
[14:10] <jamespage> plars, have you pinged matsubara?
[14:10] <plars> jamespage: no, not yet
[14:10] <plars> jamespage: doesn't seem to be on
[14:11] <zetheroo> just was looking at this (http://www.serenux.com/2009/11/howto-fix-a-missing-eth0-adapter-after-moving-ubuntu-server-from-one-box-to-another/) since I am experiencing the same issue .... but I am wondering if there was any way to make it so that the disks can be removed from one host and placed into a backup host and not have to manually fix the MAC address issue .... !?
[14:36] <TJ-> zetheroo: If you make /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules "chmod o-w" (read-only) then "/lib/udev/write_net_rules" will not change it, instead writing the updated rules to /dev/null
[14:44] <zetheroo> TJ-: would that allow a disk from host1 to be placed into host2, booted up and have network up and running?
[14:45] <TJ-> zetheroo: If you prevent *any* rules ever being written to "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules"
[14:45] <zetheroo> ok, and I can leave /etc/network/interfaces alone?
[14:46] <TJ-> You could just make /lib/udev/write_net_rules non-executable, too
[14:47] <TJ-> You could even add a custom rule that fires on the same triggers and blanks 70-persistent-net.rules if it detects that all the MACs are now different to those recorded
[14:49] <TJ-> I have something similiar in an emergency USB flash drive so I can use it in multiple-interface servers (some have 10 i/fs) and it won't change assignments
[14:51] <zetheroo> what would be the safest and simplest method in your opinion?
[14:53] <TJ-> Well, if you know the HDD is going to move then prevent write_net_rules ever running from day 0. If not, and it has already written to 70-persistent-net.rules you've got to edit that file. So then you need to decide whether to do it manually, or have a udev script that will do it for you when/if ever needed
[14:55] <zetheroo> we have 3 running servers and one redundant server - all 4 are identical hardware and software wise ...
[14:56] <zetheroo> the idea is that in case a server dies we can simply remove the disks and place them into the redundant server and power it up without a hitch ...
[14:58] <TJ-> Well it doesn't take much to manually edit the files, but if you want it automatic, you'll need to add a script to do it
[14:59] <zetheroo> oh ok ... so just changing that files permissions to read-only would not do the trick ...
[15:02] <TJ-> As I said, once it has been written to once you'll have to edit anyhow, so either you never let it be written to, or you must edit one way or another
[15:06] <zetheroo> ok, so I removed the disk from a server and placed it into the redundant server ... booted up ... no eth0 interface is there ... if I comment out the SUBSYSTEM line in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then change it to read-only, then reboot the system, will that then work?
[15:10] <Linuxx> @zetheroo: Do you see the interface with dmesg | grep eth?
[15:21] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/usage-audit/+merge/181592
[15:22] <jamespage> smb, \o/ I'm not exploding my test servers any more
[15:22] <jamespage> needed one extra commit
[15:22] <smb> Yay!
[15:24] <TJ-> If a process being 'controlled' by system dbus-daemon fails, will that process restart with the same ownership as the dbus-daemon?
[15:30] <zetheroo> ok, I tested the above and it worked great :)
[15:45] <tgm4883> Does ubumirror actually work? I'm using almost a stock configuration and all I get is "Unexpected remote arg: archive.ubuntu.com::ubuntu/". This is on 12.04
[15:50] <hallyn_> zul: saucy connecting to saucy using xen+ssh://serge@ip/ works with virsh, hangs with virt-manager  <shrug>  giving up on virt-manager for now
[15:50] <zul> weird
[15:50] <hallyn_> yeah
[15:50] <smb> hallyn_, Does virsh connection hang with dumpxml 0
[15:51] <hallyn_> smb: yeah, even locally
[15:51] <hallyn_> virsh -c xen:/// empxml 0 or virsh -c xen:/// edit ubuntu both hang
[15:51] <smb> hallyn_, then you must have a non-fixed version of libvirt
[15:51] <hallyn_> presumably that's the cause of the virt-manager hang, makes sense
[15:51] <hallyn_> smb: non-fixed?
[15:51] <hallyn_> i've got 1.1.1-0ubuntu3
[15:52] <smb> hallyn_, This should have been fixed in previous
[15:52] <smb> versions
[15:52] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/ (that should get us up to date with whats in the cloud archvie)
[15:52] <smb> Hrm... And I thought the patch went into upstream at some point
[15:53] <smb> zul, did the pull of 1.1.1 contain d7a45bf22368161869963b92a0a1d5599590fdf5 from upstream?
[15:53] <smb> xen: Use internal interfaces in xenDomainUsedCpus
[15:53] <zul> smb:  which one is that?
[15:54] <zul> smb:  gitweb link?
[15:54] <smb> zul, That would be the sha1 in upstream... :-P
[15:54] <zul> smb:  lemme check
[15:54]  * hallyn_ is d/ling the pkg source to check
[15:55] <hallyn_> smb: no it's not in the pkg
[15:56] <smb> hallyn_, Yes, seems this did come too late into upstream...
[15:56] <hallyn_> smb: are there other patches I"ll need to push?
[15:57] <smb> hallyn_, It is in upstream master, so just needs picking
[15:57] <hallyn_> smb: yes, doing that.  but are there any ohters i'll need
[15:58] <hallyn_> ok, building and testing :)
[15:58] <hallyn_> thx smb
[15:58] <smb> hallyn_, no, just had to drop ubuntu-xen-fix-api-deadlocks.patch in favour of the other but I suppose dropping happened
[15:59] <smb> There are two patches I did not push upstream as they seemed rather depending on the way we have modified some things
[16:00] <hallyn_> i don't see anything like 'fix api deadlocks' in git history
[16:01] <smb> hallyn_, That was only the version we had in the package
[16:01] <hallyn_> oh - in our package, gotcha
[16:02] <smb> Right, and it had been evolving for the better anyway, so its kind of good it is gone but kinda bad the replacement did not make it into 1.1.1 upstream
[16:02] <hallyn_> patch is still in the directory, but not listed in series
[16:02] <hallyn_> ok, build is proceeding.  lessee
[16:02] <smb> hallyn_, Oh, so you can remove it while you are at it
[16:02] <hallyn_> yeah
[16:03] <hallyn_> i can also look at the -maint tree which i think has a patch for us to push
[16:04] <smb> hallyn_, feel free. I am outta here :)
[16:05] <hallyn_> smb: \o
[16:18] <hallyn_> smb: that fixed it, thanks!
[16:19] <hallyn_> BUT!  I now want to test with all the v1.1.1-maint patches pushed.
[16:19] <hallyn_> waiting for zul to get back so i can ask him to doublecheck :)
[16:36] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here know why SSH claims it can't resolve a domain but host -a returns the correct A record for it?  I just created it on my DNS host a minute ago, but I'd assume that seeing it with host -a would mean it's queryable
[16:38] <sgran> does it have an underscore in the name?
[16:39] <sgran> host -a queries for an A record
[16:39] <sgran> ping/ssh etc use a libc function that checks for validity of a hostname
[16:39] <sgran> these often overlap, but don't need to
[17:07] <hallyn_> smb: ppa:smb/xen seems to be working fine with libvirt
[18:37] <explodes> When I log in, it shows the temperature in Celsius, how do I show it in Fahrenheit?
[18:41] <sarnold> explodes: grep for 'sensors' in your /etc/update-motd.d/ -- if you find it, replace it with sensors -f
[18:41] <explodes> sarnold: Nice, thanks.
[18:44] <hallyn_> FunnyLookinHat: unlikely, but also conceivable that you have a .ssh/config entry for the domain which sets up a proxy, and the proxy doesn't actually know the host...
[18:46] <FunnyLookinHat> hallyn_, got it figured out - thx :D
[18:46] <hallyn_> ok
[19:31] <K4k> Hi, perhaps this is a better place to ask my question since it's more server specific. I'm trying to configure postfix smtp/sasl with dovecot and I keep getting the following error: "warning: SASL authentication failure: unable to canonify user and get auxprops" but I'm unsure why. All documentation I've found seems to indicate I've got it all configured properly.
[19:34] <sarnold> K4k: do you get better error messages if you look through log files?
[19:34] <K4k> mail.log is telling me what I posted, nothing more useful unfortunately
[19:35] <sarnold> oh, drat, I hoped that was a user-facing error message that glossed over details. :(
[19:36] <K4k> my client connects and presents my server certificate, then prompts for my password
[19:36] <K4k> Then tells me "SASL authentication failed"
[19:38] <K4k> on the server side, the chain of events looks like this: http://pastebin.com/9nPUfTFK
[19:39] <sarnold> K4k: your client presents the server cert? o_O
[19:39] <K4k> my server is using a mismatched hostname self signed cert at the moment so the client says "Hey, this looks funny, do you want to proceed anyway"
[19:40] <K4k> nothing weird
[19:40] <sarnold> oh, it presents the cert to the user :) I thoght it was trying to handshake iwth the server's certificate..
[19:41] <K4k> oh, haha, no
[19:43] <K4k> Looks like Ubuntu runs postfix in a chroot which might be an issue...
[19:54] <K4k> WOO! I think I fixed it
[19:54] <K4k> it was a client side configuration issue
[19:54] <K4k> I'm glad I'm not crazy
[19:55] <sarnold> K4k: woo, what was it?
[19:56] <K4k> my smtp_url line in my muttrc originally was user@example.com:587 and I saw in an example document that they didn't have the user@ portion so I took that out and it started working
[19:56] <K4k> it's a little unsettling though because it now doesn't ask for my password to send email...
[19:57] <K4k> so something is still not quite right
[21:14] <adam_g> Daviey, jamespage http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/grizzly/2013.1.3/
[21:14] <adam_g> ready for grizzly-proposed
[21:24] <Daviey> adam_g: visibly, they look good.  Are you also uploading to raring?
[21:37] <adam_g> Daviey, they're already in queue
[21:37] <adam_g> Daviey, gonna push to grizzly-proposed unless you have any objections


[00:13] <SupahBoy> hey slonkie are you still there?
[01:42] <ubuntu> i need to find out how to restore grub. for some reason my system decided it wants to boot straight into windows and not even use grub. it was working until now
[01:43] <TheSheep> !grub
[01:49] <gamepockets> can anyone help me with a media server to stream to my ps3? (noob proof)
[01:50] <TheSheep> gamepockets: you want something like mpc?
[01:50] <gamepockets> i only know mediatomb (i use a old mac)
[01:50] <gamepockets> and mt sucks
[01:51] <TheSheep> !mpc
[01:51] <TheSheep> !info mpc
[01:51] <TheSheep> !info mpd
[01:51] <gamepockets> does it run in terminal soley?
[01:58] <gamepockets> Damn.. mediatomb is saying databse is lckd and the only file in the mt folder is the config, What is going on..
[02:19] <svensko> i have a default xubuntu installation and Listen doesn't seem to want to load my library of MP3 music... is there a package i need to install to have it play MP3s?
[02:31] <TheSheep> !mp3 | svensko
[02:32] <TheSheep> svensko: basically, ubuntu can't have mp3 codecs because they are illegal in some countries, like USA and Japan
[02:39] <svensko> TheSheep, i have had zero problem installing MP3s codecs in ubuntu
[04:07] <owen1> TheSheep: yesterday i was asking how to pair-program using vim, screen and chroot and you told me screen and chroot will be hard to work with and adviced me to try creating a separate acconut and chgrp/chown the file we are working on.  i counldn't find anything on google about this. can u elaborate? thanks
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: well, by default ubuntu creates a new group when you create a user
[04:33] <owen1> TheSheep: true
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: so you can have the files that you work on owned by one user, and in the group of the other user
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: if you have more people, just create a group for them and add them all to that group
[04:33] <TheSheep> owen1: then make the files rw for that group
[04:34] <owen1> wait..
[04:35] <owen1> will it solve my security concern? i want to make sure my friend that connects via ssh can't view access any other files ouside his home folder.
[04:35] <owen1> view or access
[04:37] <TheSheep> owen1: just make them unreadable to other users
[04:37] <TheSheep> owen1: which files are you concerned about?
[04:37] <owen1> i have banks/passwords whatever
[04:38] <owen1> also i want to make sure the guest user can't do sudo.
[04:38] <TheSheep> owen1: if it's the ones in your home directory, make sure your home dir has o-rwx
[04:38] <TheSheep> he cant by default
[04:38] <TheSheep> you have to specifically add him to admin group for him to be able to do that
[04:38] <owen1> TheSheep: got it.
[04:39] <owen1> TheSheep: let me read what you said and digest!
[04:40] <TheSheep> test it before giving the passwords to your friend
[04:42] <owen1> currently my home is drwxr-xr-x, should it be drwx------ ?
[04:45] <TheSheep> yes
[04:47] <owen1> let's say i have a folder inside my home that i want to share with my 'guest' account (/etc/group shows me guest:x:1002). how do i do that?
[04:48] <owen1> TheSheep: do i need to make this folder rw to the guest group?
[04:49] <owen1> i mean share with the guest user, not account (unless account = user)
[04:51] <owen1> let's take an example - this is my folder i want to share - drwxr----- 14 oren oren.  do i need to make it drwxrw---- 14 oren guest
[04:54] <owen1> TheSheep: all i changed was the group (from oren to guest) and the gave r and w permissions to guest.
[06:00] <TheSheep> owen1: sorry, was afk
[06:00] <TheSheep> owen1: yes, user = account
[06:01] <TheSheep> owen1: you have to give him an x right to your home directory and all directories along the way
[06:01] <TheSheep> owen1: otherwise he won't even be able to enter them
[06:02] <TheSheep> owen1: you can make your home drwx--x--x
[06:02] <owen1> TheSheep: what if i move the folder to his home?
[06:02] <TheSheep> owen1: then you eed the x right
[06:02] <TheSheep> need*
[06:02] <TheSheep> on his home folder
[06:02] <owen1> why do i need x. x=execute
[06:02] <owen1> don't i need read/write?
[06:03] <TheSheep> on directories it means the permission to enter into it
[06:03] <TheSheep> read on directory means permission to list it contents
[06:03] <owen1> interesting.
[06:03] <TheSheep> you can be able to enter a directory and not list its content, for example
[06:03] <TheSheep> or to list its content but not enter it
[06:04] <owen1> so if i must give him x on my home i should move everything i care about outside of my home.
[06:04] <chrishartim> hi, after a clean install and adding all codecs from medibuntu: unable to listen to internet radio (*.pls) or mp3
[06:04] <chrishartim> ideas?
[06:04] <TheSheep> owen1: I think the simplest way is to just put everything oin his home and give everyone all rights to it
[06:05] <owen1> TheSheep: yeah.
[06:05] <owen1> TheSheep: what about giving x to home but not giving x to all subfolder excluding our shared?
[06:05] <TheSheep> that's an option too
[06:06] <owen1> TheSheep: so it seems like ssh can be secure. what's the big deal with jailing and all other security stuff i read about?
[06:09] <TheSheep> owen1: two things
[06:10] <TheSheep> owen1: first, you might be not the only user in your system, and not all users may pay attention to the rights to their home folders
[06:10] <TheSheep> there might be some files you forgot about outside your home, and users who are just sloppy and made everything readable to everyone
[06:12] <TheSheep> second, he has access to the programs installed. some of them run as root. they are usually pretty well tested, but bugs and security holes still happen. if he finds one (which is very hard) he might be able to use one of the apps that run as root to get root priviledges
[06:12] <owen1> interesting. so ssh is inherently secure. it's humens..
[06:12] <TheSheep> it's not ssh that's secure
[06:13] <TheSheep> you are using normal system rights here, it doesn't matter how he gets into your system
[06:13] <TheSheep> note, that if you install the security updates, he has very small chances to actually find and use a new security hole
[06:14] <TheSheep> but some people like it safe, or maybe don't like to update things that often, so they use a chroot jail that restricts the access to apps, making it less likely that there is a hole in one of them
[06:14] <owen1> i am actualy using the alternate CD, and not the server version. are there any packages i am missing?
[06:14] <TheSheep> no
[06:15] <owen1> i love ubuntu..
[06:15] <TheSheep> they both should install identical system
[06:15] <owen1> thank you so much for helping me with this. i can't wait for my first vim programming session.
[06:17] <TheSheep> have lots of fun
[14:25] <flow> Bonjour je trouve pas comment passer en mode root sur xubuntu 8.04
[14:25] <vinnl> flow, English please
[14:29] <knome> flow, or #ubuntu-fr
[14:30] <flow> Thanks ;)
[16:29] <andy_js> Hi, I'd just like to let everyone know that I've released StormOS Hail Beta
[16:29] <andy_js> Its an XFCE orientated distribution of GNU/Solaris
[16:30] <andy_js> based on Nexenta Core Platform 2.0
[16:31] <andy_js> you can find out more at stormos.org
[16:48] <ron_o> hehe, Solaris..
[16:48] <ron_o> BSD is hard enough to find applications for.
[16:50] <andy_js> yeah, well we are porting pretty much the entire ubuntu repo :p
[16:55] <ron_o> andy_js, how can you do that? won't you have problems with libraries?
[16:55] <andy_js> yeah, its not easy
[16:56] <andy_js> once you've got the foundation in place (which nexenta have) a lot of things will build without too much hastle
[16:56] <andy_js> there is an autobuilder which has managed to port a lot of things over
[16:57] <andy_js> last I heard there was 10,000+ packages
[17:01] <ron_o> ahh, yes. Solving computer problems with a computer. :)
[17:01] <ron_o> I'm glad to hear that is the case. We don't need linux turning into another MS in the FOSS world.
[17:07] <Carlis> Carlis
[17:08] <Carlis> I need help
[17:09] <TheSheep> Carlis: I ran out of batteries for my crystal ball, so you will have to elaborate :)
[17:09] <Carlis> How do i know if HPLIP software is installed in Xubuntu ?
[17:09] <TheSheep> Carlis: you can check in synaptic
[17:10] <TheSheep> Carlis: go to system -> synaptic package manager
[17:10] <Carlis> ok
[17:10] <TheSheep> Carlis: and search for hplip
[17:10] <TheSheep> I think it's installed by default
[17:10] <Carlis> wait TheSheep
[17:13] <Carlis> yes, It`s installed
[17:13] <ron_o> I have HPLIP status service in the tray.
[17:13] <ron_o> for jaunty
[17:16] <Carlis> ok
[17:16] <Carlis> How do i remove any item in the office folder ?
[17:22] <ron_o> what do you mean, Carlis?
[17:25] <Carlis> ok
[17:25] <Carlis> for example
[17:27] <Carlis> I have in the office folder this dictionary. I want to remove it. How do i do it ?
[17:27] <ron_o> you mean in the menu..
[17:27] <ron_o> I don't think you can.
[17:28] <TheSheep> you can, but it's nontrivial
[17:28] <ron_o> but I hear there's a xml config file around to do that, but why bother?
[17:28] <TheSheep> there is work on a gui editor
[17:28] <TheSheep> but it can take a while
[17:30] <raevol> TheSheep: do you know where i can keep up on that? for example if i wanted to see the code?
[17:30] <Carlis> or is there anyway to hide it ?
[17:31] <raevol> carlis you can add NoDisplay=true to the corresponding .desktop file for what you want to hide
[17:31] <raevol> the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications
[17:31] <TheSheep> raevol: maybe ask on #xubuntu-devel or on #xfce
[17:32] <raevol> thanks
[17:32] <Carlis> wait please
[17:37] <Carlis> I found the desktop file. How do i hide Dictionary ?
[17:38] <Carlis> Raevol ?
[17:39] <raevol> add NoDisplay=true to the corresponding .desktop file for what you want to hide
[17:40] <ron_o> raevol, it's not on the .desktop ... it's in the menu.
[17:40] <ron_o> and you can eliminate all desktop applications via settings
[17:40] <raevol> the meny is controlled by files ending with a .desktop extention that reside in /usr/share/applications
[17:40] <raevol> check there yourself
[17:41] <ron_o> Carlis, IMHO, just live with what you have in the menu.
[17:41] <ron_o> raevol, I already did. I found no .desktop in applications
[17:42] <Carlis> IMHO ??
[17:42] <ron_o> I'm in Jaunty
[17:42] <ron_o> yah...
[17:42] <Carlis> what is IMHO ?
[17:42] <ron_o> it's just too much work for what you want to accomplish.
[17:42] <ron_o> in my humble opinion
[17:42] <ron_o> must be a noob. :)
[17:42] <raevol> ron, what applications are you looking in?
[17:43] <ron_o>  /usr/share/applications
[17:43] <raevol> there's no files in there?
[17:43] <ron_o> there is no file named .desktop in there
[17:43] <ron_o> plenty of files. :)
[17:43] <raevol> .desktop is the extension for the files
[17:43] <raevol> not the entire filename
[17:43] <raevol> if you look close, they end with .desktop
[17:43] <Carlis> How do i hide or remove dictionary from Office Folder ???
[17:44] <raevol> if you are looking at them in thunar, that might not show up, but if you ls them in a terminal you can see the extentions
[17:44] <raevol> these files are referred to as .desktop files because of their extensions
[17:44] <raevol> Carlis: i've told you several times now
[17:45] <Carlis> did u say in desktop files ?
[17:45] <ron_o> nevermind raevol I see now.
[17:45] <Carlis> desktop file ?
[17:45] <Carlis> raevol ?
[17:46] <raevol> carlis you need to read what i wrote :)
[17:46] <TheSheep> you usually want to copy the corresponding file to ~/.local/share/applications and modify in there
[17:46] <TheSheep> this way it won't be overwritten on an upgrade
[17:46] <raevol> TheSheep: do files there override the ones in /usr/share? if they have the same filename?
[17:46] <TheSheep> raevol: yes
[17:46] <raevol> cool, didn't know that
[17:47] <Carlis> You said in desktopp file raevol right ?
[17:47] <raevol> Carlis: check pm
[17:47] <ronn_o> sysem crashed..
[17:50] <ron_o> raevol, what was that .desktop setting again? I lost it when I crashed.
[17:51] <raevol> the one to hide things? NoDisplay=true
[17:51] <ron_o> yah, thanks..
[17:51] <raevol> do as TheSheep suggested and copy the file to ~/.local/share/applications before you add that
[17:56] <TheSheep> Hidden=true is better, I think
[17:58] <raevol> works either way i think, don't know the difference
[17:59] <TheSheep> raevol: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html
[17:59] <ron_o> while we are on the subject, where would the apps located on 'other' in the menu for Wine applications.
[18:00] <ron_o> I have tons or Readme files all over that sub-menu
[18:04] <TheSheep> ron_o: everything that has no recognizable category in its .desktop file goes to other
[18:06] <raevol> TheSheep: so if you want to keep the association you should use NoDisplay then
[18:06] <raevol> Hidden does more than just hide it
[18:10] <raevol> wait so what's the difference between /opt and /usr/local
[18:11] <ron_o>  /opt is optional applications, no? and /local is for just one user I believe
[18:12] <ron_o> to verify the obvious. :)
[18:13] <raevol> well, not ~/.local
[18:13] <raevol> /usr/local
[18:16] <gaurdro> is there a way to reduce xubuntu jaunty's memory footprint?  it's taking nearly a gigabyte with only xchat and a terminal running.
[18:21] <ron_o> gaurdro, I have problems too with jaunty. How many applets do you have running?
[18:22] <ron_o> my main problem is really with Opera running. For some reason javascripts and flash really do a hurting on RAM. Memory leaks?
[18:24] <ron_o> I think I'm going back to fluxbox
[18:24] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu rarely ever uses more than 512mb for me.
[18:26] <ron_o> I think for me it's Opera and having 20 tabs open, with a few with old flash movies. It just keeps on taking RAM until I'm finished.
[18:27] <gaurdro> hrm,  I do leave firefox open for extended periods as with spe but killing the x server and bringing things back up nearly always clocks in at about 800 Mb
[18:27] <cody-somerville> You know, using RAM is actually a good thing
[18:27] <cody-somerville> RAM is fast
[18:27] <cody-somerville> The issue is when you start swapping
[18:27] <raevol> hahaha
[18:27] <russ_> hey guys, does anyone know how to mount a HFS+ drive in xubuntu?
[18:27] <gaurdro> yep,  considering this machine has 1gb of ram shared with the video card I do that fairly often.
[18:28] <cody-somerville> russ_, mount -t hfsplus /dev/XXX /where/you/want/to/mount/it
[18:28] <ron_o> yah, of course swap is slow, but I shouldn't be using more than 1GB anyway.
[18:29] <ron_o> and then my swap takes over and things get really slow.
[18:29] <russ_> how do I find the XXX, when i use gparted or look at dmesg i cant find anything about it
[18:29] <ron_o> I have to then restart swap to get everything back to normal.
[18:29] <russ_> thanks cody
[18:29] <cody-somerville> russ_, you can try lshw
[18:30] <ron_o> dmesg can show where something is mounted.
[18:30] <ron_o> dmesg | tail will do just fine if it's new.
[18:31] <russ_> i see usb0 through usb2
[18:31] <russ_> but they dont show any drives
[18:31] <ron_o> russ, try #dmesg | tail    or     #dmesg | grep dev
[18:32] <cody-somerville> ron_o, fyi, I have Firefox, Exaile, Emerald, Compiz, Pidgin, Thunar, Xchat, sflphone, gnome system monitor, xfce4-terminal, xfce4 weather plugin, notes plugin, seahorse, and the regular xfce stuff and I'm only using 1.2gb of ram with no swapping.
[18:32] <ron_o> or #dmesg | grep sd*
[18:32] <ron_o> cody-somerville, that's about right.
[18:32] <russ_> its showing a previously mounted 512 USB drive SCSI removable disk
[18:32] <ron_o> but you said no more than 512. :)
[18:32] <russ_> at sdb
[18:33] <cody-somerville> ron_o, Well, I got a new laptop earlier this week
[18:33] <ron_o> I see.
[18:33] <cody-somerville> ron_o, If I closed Firefox, I'd free up almost half a gig of memory
[18:33] <russ_> [  649.935046] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 504
[18:33] <russ_> [  649.935083] Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 505
[18:33] <russ_> [  650.019989] scsi 2:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[18:34] <russ_> does that mean its F*ed?
[18:34] <ron_o> the thing that really pisses me off is that 2GB RAM is incredibly a lot. The more you have the more these applicatinos have..
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I have 4gb of ram
[18:34] <ron_o> 2GB should be able to run 5 firfox apps without any problems.
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I've not yet been able to use it all up
[18:34] <cody-somerville> ron_o, even with eclipse and all kinds of other stuff running
[18:34] <ron_o> cody-somerville, I would think not.
[18:35] <ron_o> try using a virtual OS and see how quickly it dries up.
[18:35] <russ_> ron_o . cody-somerville  [  722.041534] usb-storage: device found at 3
[18:35] <russ_> [  722.041539] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[18:35] <russ_> [  727.040331] usb-storage: device scan complete
[18:35] <ron_o> that's the way it should be.
[18:35] <ron_o> russ_, I don't know what that means.
[18:35] <russ_> does that indicate its address?
[18:35] <cody-somerville> ron_o, I think my CPU has special virtualization support
[18:35] <cody-somerville> russ_, sdb1 looks about right
[18:35] <russ_> ok
[18:36] <ron_o> cody-somerville, with virtualbox it doesn't need any... however, it's really hard on the CPU.
[18:36] <ron_o> and right now it can only use one Core.
[18:36] <cody-somerville> ouch
[18:36]  * cody-somerville has the P8600
[18:37] <ron_o> that's for laptops..
[18:37] <ron_o> my desktop has had one that fast for over a year now.
[18:38] <cody-somerville> I don't have a desktop
[18:38] <ron_o> eventually, I'll come across something that's really fast enough, but I'm not expecting that too soon.
[18:38] <ron_o> I figure we'll just do more stuff with our computer the faster it gets..
[18:38] <ron_o> like TV for one.
[18:39] <ron_o> secondly, virtualization.
[18:39] <russ_> sucks, i know the drive works
[18:39] <ron_o> getting a bit off-topic here. Sorry.
[18:39] <ron_o> russ, take out your pen drive, that's what it is right?
[18:39] <russ_> no
[18:39] <ron_o> oh..
[18:39] <ron_o> HD?
[18:39] <russ_> its a external 2.5" incased
[18:39] <russ_> yes
[18:40] <ron_o> connected through USB?
[18:40] <russ_> i had just plugged in a 512MB flash drive to make sure the usB port works
[18:40] <russ_> and it does
[18:40] <russ_> yes
[18:40] <ron_o> unplug the external and plug it back in..
[18:40] <russ_> k
[18:40] <ron_o> then run #dmesg | tail     in root
[18:41] <ron_o> that will give you the last 10 lines of dmesg
[18:41] <russ_> just has stuff about the USB flash drive
[18:41] <ron_o> anything you just plugged in should be there, and it should be your device.
[18:41] <russ_> at sdb
[18:42] <russ_> huh
[18:42] <russ_> thats weird
[18:43] <ron_o> try #dmesg | tail --lines=20
[18:43] <alyawn> I just rebooted my xubuntu 9.04 machine (first time in a long time), now my display is all out of whack and the max res is 640x480. I've looked through /var/log/messages and see no errors, but the nvidia tool and the display properties only list a max of 640x480... what can I do to fix?
[18:44] <russ_> ron_o, still only info on the USB 2.0 Flash disk
[18:44] <cody-somerville> alyawn, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:44] <cody-somerville> alyawn, then restart
[18:44] <ron_o> alyawn, you could not reboot, but try to shutdown, then turn off power to your computer first and restart computer and see if that fixes it.
[18:44] <ron_o> I have to mess with nvidia all the time to get it right..
[18:44] <ron_o> you could try to use an older xorg config file.
[18:45] <alyawn> this is the first issue I've ever had with display
[18:45] <ron_o> russ_, does your external have it's own power supply?
[18:45] <cody-somerville> 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' should resolve it
[18:45] <ron_o> never had one before.
[18:45] <russ_> negative
[18:45] <ron_o> weird.
[18:45] <russ_> but
[18:46] <ron_o> try #lshw and see if it's located there.
[18:46] <russ_> this is an older laptop, could it be possible that the drive needs more power from a USB 2 port? and thats why it shows up on m newer machines
[18:47] <russ_> still 3 empty usb listed
[18:48] <russ_> brb im gonna break this open and mount it into a SATA dock with power
[18:48] <ron_o> well that could be it.  You woulnd't want to use an external on that.
[18:50] <russ_> i just need to get my data onto it
[18:50] <russ_> i dont want to have mount it onto this windows machine
[18:50] <russ_> then map it through the network
[18:51] <ron_o> I see.
[18:51] <russ_> maybe that would be faster in the long run though
[18:51] <alyawn> cody-somerville: that fixed the issue, thanks. I have no clue what could have happened to my config, maybe an update killed it
[18:52] <russ_> ron_o , how do i turn on samba in xubuntu?
[18:52] <russ_> total newb im sorry
[18:53] <ron_o> I've never used samba.
[18:53] <cody-somerville> russ_, What do you mean by enable samba?
[18:53] <cody-somerville> Do you want to share files or access shares?
[18:53] <ron_o> but there are umpteen howtos out there.
[18:54] <russ_> yeah just checked
[18:54] <russ_> i just want to mount this drive on the windows machine and pull through network
[18:54] <russ_> enable samba i suppose
[18:55] <ron_o> you have to install it first. :)
[18:55] <ron_o> sudo apt-get install samba4
[18:55] <russ_> gotcha
[18:55] <cody-somerville> !samba
[18:56] <russ_> ron_o, cody-somerville , do you two listen to music?
[18:57] <cody-somerville> last.fm username is somerville32
[18:58] <ron_o> listen?
[18:58] <russ_> oh cool my bands up there
[18:58] <russ_> just wondering if you used music player, or amarok or what
[18:59] <raevol> the new amarok is so terrible
[18:59] <raevol> i used to use it
[18:59] <ron_o> I usually use Streamtuner and record music from there.
[18:59] <ron_o> it's kind of free *and* legal.
[18:59] <ron_o> I use just audacious
[19:00] <russ_> damn thought the new amarok would be good
[19:00] <raevol> aside from games, the windows application i miss the most is winamp 5
[19:00] <russ_> i know =[
[19:00] <russ_> winamp before it got bloated
[19:00] <raevol> once i am a programmer i want to write Linamp
[19:00] <ron_o> yah, sucks. Windows does have some great third tier apps.
[19:00] <russ_> im sure you will supported
[19:00] <russ_> be* supported
[19:01] <raevol> wish i could recruit programmers to do it now
[19:01] <russ_> check out mass solo revolt on last.fm
[19:01] <ron_o> but no way will I ever go back to that madhouse of total insecurity
[19:01] <russ_> easy mark
[19:01] <raevol> but i'm sure people don't like to be bossed around
[19:01] <raevol> yea, i quit using windows when i realized i was having to hack things in order to use third party themes
[19:02] <ron_o> raevol, I found some old pics I took of Windows 98 Desktop/Menu and I had over 15 applications for just security purposes.
[19:03] <ron_o> all that running and figuring and planning and studying and you still couldnt keep sh*t off your computer.
[19:03] <ron_o> what a waste.
[19:04] <raevol> hahaha yea
[19:06] <ron_o> I just had a relative over the other day and they're like, 'why don't you go back to Windows'?
[19:06] <ron_o> they bought me a book on "linux for Dummies.."
[19:06] <ron_o> kind of a slap in the face.
[19:06] <russ_> lol
[19:06] <ron_o> like, your computer always has something wrong with it.
[19:06] <ron_o> like, I do a lot with my computer.
[19:07] <ron_o> the problem with Windows is you always have something wrong with it but you don't know it.
[19:07] <raevol> hahaha
[19:07] <raevol> yea pretty much
[19:07] <ron_o> it just pisses me off that some people are so self righteous.
[19:07] <ron_o> like, "Linux sucks"..
[19:08] <raevol> they don't understand what open source is
[19:08] <Roylap> "Oh yeah that operating system for geeks"
[19:08] <raevol> i used to be like that
[19:08] <russ_> it clearly takes a certain personality to appreciate open source for its true beauty
[19:08] <raevol> then you ask them to give you some music they bought from itunes
[19:08] <raevol> and their world starts falling apart
[19:08] <russ_> rofl
[19:09] <raevol> "wait, why doesn't it play?"
[19:09] <ron_o> yah..
[19:09] <russ_> or they plug in their ipod into another computer and it gets whiped clean
[19:09] <russ_> so awesome
[19:09] <raevol> :D
[19:10] <raevol> i don't even use my mp3 player anymore, i have a eeepc and a 250gig external drive
[19:10] <russ_> lol
[19:10] <ron_o> "I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
[19:10] <ron_o> -- Harriet Tubman
[19:10] <russ_> basically what im trying to do with this machine is put all my music onto it
[19:10] <vidd> it took me 25 minutes last night to get flash installed properly on my win7 system last night =\
[19:10] <russ_> from my old mac
[19:10] <raevol> haha win7
[19:10] <ron_o> raevol, it's kind of hard to take an eeepc everywhere.
[19:11] <raevol> ron_o: much easier than a bigger computer though
[19:11] <ron_o> I use a sansa.. just bought one up Walmart for $50. It's like 8GB.. and it's a Clip
[19:11] <raevol> plus i don't listen to music when i am walking around
[19:11] <ron_o> yah: re; computer
[19:11] <ron_o> raevol, no?
[19:11] <ron_o> wtf..
[19:11] <raevol> i listen to my surrounding environment for the sound of cars trying to run me over
[19:11] <ron_o> I do when doing chores and stuff.
[19:11] <vidd> raevol, lol
[19:12] <raevol> it's worked out for me so far
[19:12] <raevol> haha miranda
[19:12] <ron_o> I use my mp3 player in the car, and listen to my own music, almost commercial free.
[19:12] <raevol> yea i need an aux hookup in my car :(
[19:12] <andy_js> almost commercial free?
[19:12] <ron_o> raevol, you can just get one of those cassette tapes.
[19:12] <raevol> no tape deck
[19:12] <ron_o> andy_js, yah, I get most of my music from internet radio.
[19:13] <raevol> need a new stereo, but don't want to pay for it
[19:13] <ron_o> raevol, what kind of car you have? 1950s?
[19:13] <raevol> heh
[19:13] <raevol> nah, corolla CE
[19:13] <russ_> bbl guys thanks alot
[19:13] <raevol> the cheapest corolla
[19:13] <vidd> raevol, they have those set-ups that run off a particular radio frequency =]
[19:13] <russ_> try and figure this out
[19:13] <raevol> vidd: how's the bass on those?
[19:14] <vidd> raevol, that would depend on your car's audio system
[19:14] <raevol> i mean do you lose any quality going over radio frequencies?
[19:14] <vidd> dunno....i use that stupid cassette tape thing =\
[19:15] <raevol> i know you lose quality with those
[19:15]  * TheSheep looks at -offtopic
[19:15] <raevol> o.o
[19:15] <raevol> 1/10th the people in there :P
[19:16] <ron_o> the cassette ain't bad, but mine keeps stopping when it hits the end.
[19:16] <raevol> hehe
[19:19] <Araneidae> Hi -- anybody happen to know where xfce keeps its configuration files?
[19:21] <ron_o> they are all over, but the main ones are hidden in you home directory
[19:22] <ron_o> go to ~/ and hit cntrl-h
[19:22] <vidd> Araneidae, what are you looking to configure?
[19:22] <TheSheep> actually it obeys the freedesktop specs
[19:22] <Araneidae> vidd, a couple of things.
[19:22] <Araneidae> 1.  I really dislike the way that xfce sometime decides to restore the desktop I was running before and I just want to erase its memory
[19:23] <vidd> Araneidae, you looking to make changes to "you only"? or universal (all users on the system)?
[19:23] <Araneidae> 2. I'd really like to see if there's some way I can have windows without decorations.
[19:23] <TheSheep> Araneidae: delete ~/.cache/sessions
[19:23] <Araneidae> Oh, just local.
[19:23] <Araneidae> TheSheep, will that stop it trying to save next time?
[19:23] <TheSheep> Araneidae: no, unchesk it in session settings
[19:23] <TheSheep> uncheck
[19:23] <vidd> Araneidae, when you log out, make sure the "check" box is empty for "remember"
[19:24] <Araneidae> Sure, I normally have that unset
[19:24] <raevol> oh hey, since there are people here, does anyone know how i can change the window list blink behavior?
[19:24] <vidd> Araneidae, but if the system "crashes" it will sometimes return you to the same stuff
[19:24] <Araneidae> But it must have got set once.  The delete ~/.cache/sessions seems a useful tip, just tried that
[19:24] <Araneidae> Yah
[19:25] <Araneidae> I get the feeling xfce really isn't designed to be tinkered with at the configuration file level
[19:27] <vidd> Araneidae, of course it is....your just not familiar with it
[19:27] <Araneidae> Sure, sure.  Just not getting much traction though.
[19:28] <vidd> i just wish i could get the menu cusomization to work properly
[19:29] <raevol> gotta wait for the menu editor
[19:29] <Araneidae> Looking through the documentation is discouraging, for example.  Lots of "there is no documentation ... yet"
[19:29] <vidd> raevol, shouldnt need to wait
[19:30] <Araneidae> And haven't found any configuration file documentation yet at all...
[19:30] <raevol> vidd true, but no one's getting paid to make it
[19:30] <vidd> i know how to set it up....i know where to put it....it just doesnt work
[19:30] <Araneidae> Lots of pretty screen shots ... but I'm using xfce because I don't WANT screen candy!
[19:30] <vidd> my custom menu file is ignored
[19:30] <raevol> is that that xml file that dseignates the layout of the menu?
[19:30] <raevol> yea that didn't work for me either...
[19:30] <Araneidae> Of course I should be using dwm ;)
[19:30] <vidd> raevol, yes
[19:31] <TheSheep> Araneidae: /usr/share/xfce4/doc/C
[19:31] <raevol> dunno wtf is up with that, it's reading some config file that i can't find
[19:31] <vidd> the system i upgraded since dapper works fine
[19:32] <Araneidae> TheSheep, hadn't fount that -- was looking on the web!  Ta
[19:34] <Araneidae> Um.   Looks about the same.  All about navigating windows screenshots...
[19:36] <ron_o> KISS... in fluxbox you can minipulate anything.
[19:36] <ron_o> xubuntu should have learned off of them.
[19:37] <Araneidae> I tried dwm and xmonad, but actually xfce is closer in behaviour to what I want -- not really keen to write too much code to tweak my desktop!
[19:38] <Araneidae> Is fluxbox easy to get started with?
[19:38] <ron_o> well in fluxbox all you have to do is know how to minipulate a few config files.. but with fluxbox comes many other issues, like it's lacking applets in the menu and such.
[19:39] <ron_o> Araneidae, you need to read up on it for a bit. Its almost barebones so you need to know right from the start which config files to manipulate.
[19:39] <Araneidae> Well, the task bar is actually quite handy and I like multiple workspaces -- couldn't survive without them on my work machine
[19:39] <ron_o> you get multiple with FB..
[19:39] <ron_o> the task bar is about useless.
[19:39] <Araneidae> But otherwise I expect I want a pretty bare desktop
[19:40] <ron_o> and I like minipulating sound as well from the taskbar.
[19:40] <Araneidae> Not really a problem, I expect.
[19:40] <ron_o> give it a whirl. Read up on it and withint half an hour you'd be up and going
[19:40] <Araneidae> Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try
[19:40] <ron_o> just read the beginners FAQ.
[19:41] <ron_o> from my experience, it's way more stable than Xubuntu. I've crashed this system countless times with Xubuntu. But never that I can recall from fluxbox.
[19:42] <ron_o> had it running on a 1.6Ghz, with 350 MB RAM (or so)
[19:42] <Araneidae> Is this the FAQ: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Faqs ?
[19:43] <ron_o> yup..
[19:43] <ron_o> Menu is a great place to start.
[19:43] <Araneidae> Is it ok with dual screens, do you happen to know?
[19:43] <Araneidae> Looks really interesting
[19:43] <vidd> dual screens works fine for me
[19:43] <Araneidae> Gread
[19:44] <Araneidae> great
[19:48] <Araneidae> Yay!  It's in synaptic :)
[20:39] <pato123> hello I have next to me a pc where I installed xubuntu 8.04.1, with alternate cd. installation went ok but after boot it just stays at executing rc local or something like that, any clues?
[20:39] <TheSheep> pato123: can you switch to the second console with alt+ctrl+f2?
[20:40] <pato123> i?m at console right now, (done a recovery mode bot)
[20:40] <pato123> boot
[20:41] <pato123> switeched to second console, then logged in, I don?t know what to do next
[20:42] <slow-motion> hi
[20:43] <pato123> startx doesn?t work
[20:43] <pato123> it returns an error
[20:54] <firsm> How do I disable the useless scrensaver? Kind of annoying when watching videos? I've got no screensaver icons in xfce4-settings-manager
[20:55] <charlie-tca> what version of Xubuntu?
[20:55] <firsm> jaunty
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Have you uninstalled the screensaver?
[20:56] <firsm> No, it ran just a minute ago while I was watching videos
[20:56] <charlie-tca> You should have a Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver
[20:57] <firsm> ah, it was in the menu but not in the "Settings" window, thanks.
[21:19] <S0210> Hi! My menu is pretty messy. How to edit the menu file?
[21:21] <SiDi> S0210, 9.04 i suppose ?
[21:21] <SiDi> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[21:21] <SiDi> no menu editor yet
[21:24] <S0210> so is the currently used file in /home/username/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml ?
[21:24] <SiDi> this one contains the categories of menus available
[21:25] <SiDi> then you also have the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/
[21:25] <SiDi> They're whats in the menu
[21:25] <SiDi> if you want to edit one for your session, copy it to .local/share/applications and modify the file
[21:25] <SiDi> for hiding a menu entry, add "NoDisplay=true;"
[21:26] <Sweetshark_> tracker search is not working for me. Im also missing the trackerd executable. Any hints?
[21:27] <S0210> The problem I have is that the menu seems to be too long... so I'm about to delete a few items from it. But I was suprized to see that the menu.xml is just a fewlines...
[21:28] <SiDi> S0210, it only contains the categories of menus (like System / Games / network)
[21:29] <SiDi> the menu is made with the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications and in ~/.local/share/applications
[21:29] <SiDi> The menu editor is coming soon, anyway :]
[21:32] <S0210> Hmmm... I'm looking forward to it :-]
[21:40] <slow-motion> how can i remove the hybernate and standby buttons from the logout button panel? i cant find the menu for it anymore
[21:42] <Salix_> Is there a test computer that I can test with the Remote Desktop application?
[21:43] <SiDi> hm i dont think we have that under hand :)
[21:43] <SiDi> people wouldnt let it live for long
[21:44] <Salix_> ?
[21:45] <SiDi> if we had such a test machine, too many people would try to play with it, and it'd die under connection attempts. Especially since VNC clients have the ability to disconnect all other clients for an account. People would play 'disconnect the neighbor' all time :p
[21:45]  * SiDi admits its mostly because it never crossed anyone's mind.
[21:45] <Salix_> ic
[21:45] <knome> would take awful lot of bandwidth.
[21:45] <SiDi> you can connect to yourself though Salix_
[21:46] <Salix_> SiDi: vino is the one I need?
[21:47] <SiDi> hm
[21:47] <SiDi> the client's name is vinagre, afaik
[21:47] <SiDi> i dont remember the server's name
[22:05] <slow-motion> have installed xubuntu new and deleted the file with my settings for transmission. how can i get my torrents back?
[22:11] <gamepockets> media tomb keeps showing unsupported data on ps3, Any advice?
[22:16] <gamepockets> mediatomb shows unsupported data on ps3, any advice?
[22:16] <gamepockets> editing transcoding did nothing...
[22:17] <gamepockets> anyone??
[22:17] <Slonkie> be patent!
[22:17] <Slonkie> patient*
[22:17] <Slonkie> Someone will answer if they know the answer!
[22:17] <knome> !attitude | gamepockets
[22:18] <gamepockets> ok, just didn't see any activity.
[22:22] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <Salix_> bye


[00:53] <CheGuevara> back
[00:54] <mhb> CheGuevara: any luck?
[00:54] <CheGuevara> just got back ima try the gutsy package in a min
[01:01] <CheGuevara> right lets see
[01:01] <CheGuevara> brb
[01:02] <mhb> s
[01:02]  * mhb sleeps
[01:08] <CheGuevara> fontconfig-config
[01:08] <CheGuevara> reverting that to gutsy fixes it
[01:11] <CheGuevara> Riddell, u around
[01:41] <red_team316> how would I extract the string 2 out of Number=2 without using kreadconfig?
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: python?
[01:52] <red_team316> yes
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: "string.split[:-1]"
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> (if its only a single digit#)
[02:15] <red_team316> thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I think this works better for what I need though
[02:15] <red_team316> blastr = 'Number=2'
[02:15] <red_team316>             print string.strip(blastr, "Number=")
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> yup :D
[02:15] <yuriy> red_team316: i'd do string.split('=')[1]
[02:15] <yuriy> but that works too
[02:16] <red_team316> well all of the stuff I'll be reading wont all be integers
[02:20] <red_team316> hmm it works ok but the output is ['Number', '2'].  Is this creating an array(c terminology)
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: "bleh, whatIWant = function"
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> then just use "what I want"
[02:27] <red_team316> ok if I changed the number to 3, how would I write that back to the same file so that the line reads "Number=3" but any other information in the file is still there?
[02:28] <red_team316> my goal is to read/write values to kde rc files without relying on kde(so it will work on a ubuntu/xubuntu/etc)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: go read the python docs on file.seek()
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> I usually read the whole file in a variable, split the variable on newlines, modify the single lines and then write back the variable with the modified lines
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> ehm
[02:35] <RobertoM_[away]> can I change nick for the last time? XD
[02:40] <red_team316> I'm looking in the python-doc global module index, cant find it :/
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> red_team316: its a built in function....
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> look in the tutorial
[10:57] <fdoving> so.. doesn't the new flashplayer work with konq at all? or is it just me?
[12:05] <buz> in gutsy? works for me
[12:05] <buz> except that nspluginviewer still occasionally eats cpu like nothing
[12:26] <Hobbsee> stdin: ping
[12:26] <stdin> Hobbsee: pong
[12:26] <Hobbsee> stdin: did anyone else review your meta-kde package?
[12:27] <stdin> Hobbsee: Riddell and jpatrick both looked at it
[12:27] <Hobbsee> stdin: right, cool.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Accepting Results:
[12:27] <Hobbsee> OK: meta-kde4
[12:28] <Hobbsee> stdin: can you remind me to get that sent to universe tomorrow?
[12:28] <stdin> Hobbsee: sure
[12:28] <Hobbsee> thanks
[12:30] <Churli> hi
[13:27] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> hey
[13:28] <Tonio_> anyone tested latst kde4 packages ?
[13:28] <nosrednaekim> RC1?
[13:28] <Tonio_> xorg hangs for me when kwin starts, fglrx 8.43 driver
[13:28] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: yep
[13:28] <mlankhorst> I tried rc1 for an hour, after that I went back to kde3.
[13:29] <Tonio_> seems to work for some people with opensuse, so I was wondering if I missed something in the configuration
[13:29] <mlankhorst> Worked for me with fglrx though, but I'm using radeonhd at the moment.
[13:29] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: same driver, and it works for me
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: damn.....
[13:30] <Tonio_> maybe something specific to my card btw
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: do you have dbus-x11 installed?
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: anything special in your xorg.conf file ?
[13:30] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I do
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: no.... except I got rid of the no-composite section
[13:31] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: means removed the option "composite" "0" ?
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[13:31] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: what about the DRI section ?
[13:31] <Tonio_> still mode 666 in there ?
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[13:32] <Tonio_> is AIGLX activated in ServerLayout ?
[13:32] <Tonio_> ho can be that too, what modules are loaded in the Modules section ?
[13:32] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: well, AIGLX works, so I would assume so, though I didn't change anything.
[13:33] <Tonio_> I just have glx and extmode in there
[13:33] <nosrednaekim> I don't even have a modules section ;p
[13:33] <Tonio_> ah.....;
[13:34] <Tonio_> let's make another test, I changed a few things
[13:34] <nosrednaekim> basically its just a keyboard, a mouse, a video card, a monitor and a screen sections
[13:35] <mlankhorst> I dropped the monitor section on mine.
[13:35] <mlankhorst> Keyboard, mouse, touchpad, video card, screen, and serverlayout to put it together.
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... I do have a server layout..
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[13:36] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: no still hangs xorg for me
[13:36] <Tonio_> maybe some card specific issue with aigls
[13:36] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I have a X1600 chip....
[13:36] <nosrednaekim> I have an Xpress1100
[13:37] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/2565
[13:37] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: does anything in there seem do be wrong for you ?
[13:37] <mlankhorst> Screen contains 'Virtual 4096x4096' for xrandr 1.2. :-)
[13:38] <Tonio_> ho, just for information, I have no problem without opengl support, kwin then works
[13:39] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: what the problem is with xrandr ?
[13:39] <nosrednaekim> whats the "group 0" doing in DRI?
[13:40] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: hum I don't know, but btw shouldn't change anything on that point
[13:40] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: removed, and now testing
[13:40] <mlankhorst> Tonio_: Biggest problem is that kubuntu's xrandr program has a bug that is fixed in git, it made it not work. Took some digging through radeonhd mailing list to figure it out. ;-)
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: bah same problem with me
[13:42] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: you where talking about xrandr, was that about my config file ?
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I must say I'm a bit lost..... I see no reason it wouldn't work as expected...
[13:42] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: especialy since I got it to work in the pase on that poinr
[13:42] <Tonio_> point
[13:43] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: you catching any errors?
 Tonio_: Biggest problem is that kubuntu's xrandr program has a bug that is fixed in git, it made it not work. Took some digging through radeonhd mailing list to figure it out. ;-)
[13:43] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: oki but why would that work or some other people then ?
[13:43] <Tonio_> ;)
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: hardy bug ? then I may have to wait for another package then ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: and if so, how to disable xrandr to perform opengl only effects in kde4 ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> mlankhorst: I think that's possible right ?
[13:45] <Tonio_> mlankhorst, nosrednaekim:
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin --replace                                                                                [0.22 0.46 - 24% 3%]
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin(28040) KWin::Extensions::init: Extensions: shape: 0x "11"  composite: 0x "4"  render: 0x "a"  fixes: 0x "40"
[13:45] <Tonio_> kwin(28040) KWin::CompositingPrefs::detect: glx version is  1 . 2
[13:45] <Tonio_> here is the kwin-kde4 output
[13:45] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: does that work?
[13:46] <mlankhorst> Tonio_: xrandr 1.2 isn't available for fglrx anyway.
[13:47] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: no it doesn't work at all
[13:47] <Tonio_> xorg hangs, mouse works, but keyboard is dead
[13:47] <Tonio_> and cpu is going to 70% for xorg and the other 30% for kwin
[13:47] <Tonio_> all I can do is then killing my kde session
[13:47] <Tonio_> nothing special in the logs
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: winder if there is a way to disable composite for kwin
[13:48] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: bah I don't want to disable it, I want it to work ;)
[13:48] <Serega> hey
[13:48] <Tonio_> or at least understand what the issue is
[13:48] <Serega> Tonio_: now I'm ready to test the issue with two prompt
[13:49] <Tonio_> Serega: kdesudo ? super :)
[13:49] <Serega> Tonio_: aha :) could you remind me the URL?
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: I hear ya.... the problem is you can't really complain to #kde4-devel cause you are on RC1.
[13:50] <Tonio_> I know :)
[13:50] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I'll wait a bit, hopefully that'll be fixed soon
[13:50] <Tonio_> Serega: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> RC2 should be coming out soon.
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: but wait a second, I have a new package version
[13:51] <Serega> Tonio_: ok, I got 404 on this
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp
[13:51] <Tonio_> Serega: grab and test and tell me that works, even if it doesn't ;)
[13:51] <Serega> Tonio_: ok ;)
[13:52] <Serega> Tonio_: should I uninstall anything before?
[13:52] <Tonio_> Serega: no just install the new package
[13:53] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: BTW, i'm running the RC1 permanantly because kde3 blew up on me...
[13:53] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: shut up !!!!!!!!
[13:53]  * Tonio_ is jalous
[13:53]  * Tonio_ goes crying in his bed
[13:54] <Tonio_> ;)
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> ha.... well, all I can say is I envy YOU.
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: kdelibs4c2a"
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: where to get the one?
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> KDE4 is not the most productive environment
[13:54] <Tonio_> Serega: ah......; I built that one for hardy
[13:54] <Serega> Tonio_: I have KDE4 RC1 installed
[13:54] <Serega> I can test in on livecd
[13:55] <Tonio_> Serega: well I can send you the source package so that you can build it yourself no ?
[13:55] <Serega> Tonio_: yes, of course :)
[13:55] <Serega> just deploy
[13:57] <Tonio_> Serega: same url, you'll got the source package
[13:58] <Serega> Tonio_: orig + diff?
[13:59] <Tonio_> Serega: orig + diff + dsc
[13:59] <Tonio_> then dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[13:59] <Tonio_> then apt-get build-dep kdesudo
[13:59] <Tonio_> and to finish, do in the unpacked sources and type debuild
[14:00] <Serega> Tonio_: thanks, exactly what I was going to ask ;)
[14:00] <Tonio_> and then sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[14:00] <Tonio_> and that's it
[14:00] <Serega> hiyaaa, I started to study the packaging!
[14:02] <Tonio_> Serega: well debuild is more or ocal testing than building real packages
[14:02] <Tonio_> Serega: then pdebuild is the key
[14:02] <Tonio_> but for testing debuild is enough imho
[14:22] <Serega> It's a horror... sudo debuild uses system-wide locale ignoring my and root's ~/.profile :-\
[14:22] <jpatrick> personally I wouldn't and dont' use sudo debuild
[14:27] <Serega> jpatrick: I just wonder of locale origin
[14:31] <Serega> fuck... it rages me
[14:46] <Serega> Tonio_: I can't build the package "dpkg-source:unrepresentable changes to source \n debuild: fatal error at line 1247
[14:46] <Serega> Tonio_: am I wrong anywhere?
[14:47] <Tonio_> Serega: you should have a .*.swp vim created file, can you see it ?
[14:47] <Tonio_> find . -name "*swp" -exec rm -rf {} \;
[14:47] <Tonio_> Serega: try that and retry the build
[14:48] <Serega> Tonio_: done, the same
[14:49] <Tonio_> find . -name "*gmo" -exec rm -rf {} \;
[14:49] <Tonio_> those files also can create the problem :)
[14:50] <Tonio_> Serega: looks strange that you have the problem building from the source package
[14:50] <Tonio_> Serega: lemme build you the gutsy package
[14:50] <Tonio_> I may have a gutsy chroot somewhere
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: PPA :D
[14:51] <Serega> Tonio_: I'll try. there was ./po/fr.gmo
[14:51] <Serega> Tonio_: deleted, but the same error
[14:52]  * Serega realy wants to help, not to poke :)
[14:53] <Hobbsee> kdebase-workspace on amd64 died.
[14:53] <Hobbsee> on ppa
[14:58] <buz> any kde4 packages for me to test? (boring sunday ;)
[14:59] <nosrednaekim> buz: only RC1
[15:00] <Tonio_> Serega: no chroot here, wait a second and I'll built it
[15:00] <Tonio_> Serega: then I'll give you gutsy package to test
[15:01] <Serega> Tonio_: thanks, sorry for discomfort
[15:12] <Tonio_> Serega: no pb, package building right now
[15:13] <Serega> :)
[15:38] <Tonio_> Serega: you can get the deb on the same page
[15:43]  * Serega was dinning
[15:52] <Serega> Tonio_: sorry, still 2
[15:53] <Serega> Tonio_: I've even recently performed reboot
[15:54] <Tonio_> Serega: can you please remind me of the bug ?
[15:54] <Serega> Tonio_: recent survey: issue reproduces even when adept is already closed. possibly due to kdesud daemon
[15:54] <Tonio_> Serega: better report the bug on launchpad I'd say, so that I can fix it in the future
[15:55] <Tonio_> Serega: I can't recall what the bug is exactly, can you remind me of it ?
[15:57] <Serega> Tonio_: the promt "Removable media" on media plugging is duplicated (1 runs for my user, another for root) and I actually see 2 prompts
[15:57] <Serega> Tonio_: issue is linked with kdesudo
[15:57] <Tonio_> Serega: ah yes..... I can't reproduce that one....
[15:57] <Tonio_> Serega: please report on launchpad so that we can see if people confirm or not on hardy
[15:58] <Serega> Tonio_: I can test it now on Hardy LiveDC. should I?
[15:58] <Tonio_> please do :)
[16:05] <Serega> Tonio_: all is ok in hardy =)
[16:09] <Serega> where to file bugs for kubuntu? here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[16:10] <jpatrick> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: I don't kown exactly
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: maybe it is just  local problem or something with dbus config or policy.....
[16:16] <Tonio_> Serega: hard to gues what the problem is without :
[16:16] <Tonio_> - confirmation it is for everyone
[16:16] <Tonio_> - detailled infromation concerning the system configuration
[16:17] <Serega> Tonio_: do not understand 2 last messages? do you want to know my PC configuration?
[16:17] <Serega> *first question mark is unneeded
[16:19] <Serega> jpatrick: I found some bugs in kubuntu hardy alpha 1, should it be also filed there?
[16:20] <Tonio_> Serega: I have to go, but yeah send that to me by email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:20] <Serega> Tonio_: do you worry bug is just hidden in hardy?
[16:20] <Serega> Tonio_: ok, good luck!
[16:20] <jpatrick> Serega: yes, and probably https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha1/Kubuntu/Feedback too
[16:21] <Serega> jpatrick: oh, nice, it is more specific :)
[17:03] <TopAgent> Hello all...  I hate to bother anyone but I am new and frustrated with Kubuntu and the flashplayer and sound... Is there any one that can help me..
[17:04] <TopAgent> I have been to flashplayer and downloaded there tar.gz file and followed all the directions and i see colored jigsaw puzzle pieces where there should be a video on discovery.com   can someone help me?
[17:05] <jpatrick> TopAgent: can you not just install flashplayer-nonfree?
[17:06] <TopAgent> i guess I could try but I spent so much time on this already I'd like to know if it is the player or the sys?
[17:07] <jpatrick> TopAgent: wait it's call flashplugin-nonfree, it's from Adobe, should be everything you need
[17:07] <jpatrick> TopAgent: you may also want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras from multiverse
[17:08] <TopAgent> THATS what I need help with//////
[17:08] <TopAgent> can u walk me through it
[17:09] <TopAgent> how do I add them to the update manager
[17:09] <jpatrick> TopAgent: do "kdesudo kate" and uncomment (remove) the "#" in front of the "deb" on the line with "multiverse" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:10] <TopAgent> I think thats what I need to do because my desktop works fine but I installed fresh ubuntu on laptop yesterday and it doesnt work
[17:12] <jpatrick> TopAgent: you may also want to see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[17:13] <TopAgent> i'm not sure what to do...   I opened a term. and signed in as root...   kdesudo kate and gotkdesudo kate
[17:13] <jpatrick> there is no need to login as root
[17:13] <jpatrick> that's the point of kdesudo
[17:14] <TopAgent> ok   untitles kate came up and there isnt anything in the window
[17:15] <jpatrick> TopAgent: hmm, if you want GUI look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[17:57] <TopAgent> ok  I have installed all the repositories that I can and now I have updated the system so it says upto date/
[17:57] <TopAgent> i still need to know what i am missing... still the same when I go to discovery.com
[17:59] <jpatrick> !flash | TopAgent
[17:59] <ubotu> TopAgent: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> !support
[18:00] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[18:09] <xRaich[o]2x> hi i get kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkopete.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN3KIO3Job9addSubjobEPS0_b when starting kopete-kde4 under hardy. is this a known problem?
[18:33] <Serega> where can I find the HotkeyResearch guys?
[18:33] <Serega> my laptop has special keys still not working :(
[18:33] <Serega> I ready to collect required info, but dunno where to send it
[18:35] <fdoving> our guy is lure. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLaptopKeycodes
[18:50] <mhb> get ready to hate me in 5..4..3..2..
[18:53] <nixternal> hehe
[18:53] <nixternal> NOTICE: 'sun-java6' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at:
[18:53] <nixternal> https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/svn/jdk-distros/trunk/linux/ubuntu/sun-java5
[18:54] <nixternal> interesting....sun-java6 is maintained in a directory called sun-java5
[18:54] <nixternal> that doesn't look right at all :)
[18:56] <crimsun> perhaps not very clean.   O.o
[19:32] <mhb> Serega_: I wrote a critical blog post at planet.ubuntu.com, that's all.
[19:33] <Serega_> he-he)
[19:33]  * Serega_ remembers Jucato
[19:34] <Serega_> gg, simpson-like avo
[19:37] <Serega_> mhb: +1
[19:37] <Serega_> :(
[19:38] <Serega_> so many things should be done _BEFORE_ "kaffeine codecs autoinstallation" :-/
[19:39] <mhb> Serega_: yeah, we have to stand on the shoulders of fat, smelly giants
[19:40] <mhb> :o)
[19:42] <mhb> Serega_: oh, by the way, if you have a registered nickname and your connection fails so that the original nick is still on freenode, you can use /msg nickserv ghost Serega yourpassword and it will kick it.
[19:42] <Serega_> mhb: Martin, I'm not a fan of dwm or wmiim I just want more stability for _existing_ code before new feature implementation. Bugs are summarizing like a snowball
[19:42] <Serega_> mhb: oh, RLY?
[19:43] <Serega> here I am
[19:43] <Serega> :)
[19:46] <mhb> Serega: I understand, I just think sometimes, in order to produce better software, we have to stop and think "Is this feature so important that we can rationalize the slowdown of the app?"
[19:46] <mhb> Serega: of course, kaffeine codecs autoinstallation is one of the things that is definitely practical and won't slow Kaffeine much after first run, I expect
[19:47] <Serega> mhb: there is so many features much more importrant than stupid codecs...
[19:47] <Serega> mhb: please wait 2 minutes I go to my laptop
[19:47] <Serega> brb
[19:54] <Serega> mhb: on the other side, such approach is the main difference of ubuntu from debian. To be more innovative
[19:57] <mhb> Serega: innovation comes often at a price - if you innovate too much, your software gets bloated.
[19:59] <Serega> mhb: true. I think every community developer finds his own trade-off between innovacy and stability/code beauty/size
[20:01] <mhb> I'm not entirely happy with the upcoming KDE4 release - for me, I see new ways to write apps, but hundreds of unfinished things, like the Kickoff menu, or even the widget style is incomplete and not planned to be polished
[20:02] <mhb> furthermore I am pretty sure it is going to eat more memory and CPU cycles while offering flexibility which is worthless when I just want my web browser to work.
[20:08] <Serega> partially agree
[20:09] <uga> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-7fdt7kMqc&feature=bz303 =)
[20:09] <uga> just don't ignore WHAT he's downloading... =)
[20:11] <Serega> uga: his peer was in the same LAN =)
[20:11] <Serega> cheat
[20:11] <uga> it sounds like so, hehe
[21:48] <renewip> anyone knows anything about "Kubuntu tutorials day"?
[21:51] <stdin> depends what you want to know
[22:34] <LaserJock> what is the preferred method for installing KDE4 on gutsy? PPA or -backports?
[22:36] <Riddell> LaserJock: they should both be the same
[22:37] <Riddell> we only use PPA because backports is too slow
[22:37] <Riddell> to compile
[22:37] <LaserJock> ok, I was wondering if PPA was depracted
[22:47] <stdin> Riddell: oh, I wanted to let you know, kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 still wants to overwrite files in kdebase-bin
[23:27] <blizzzek> gn8
[23:50] <CheGuevara> ping Riddell


[00:03] <StevenK> cjwatson: r=me
[00:04] <cjwatson> Great, thanks
[00:04] <StevenK> cjwatson: Do you want to cowboy it onto mawson while it plays through buildbot, or what is your plan?
[00:05] <cjwatson> If you have bright ideas on disentangling the underlying cause (notes in the bug), that'd be lovely, or else I'll try to mock something up in tests
[00:05] <cjwatson> StevenK: I was about to go to bed, TBH
[00:06] <StevenK> cjwatson: If you want to crash, I can land it for you
[00:06] <cjwatson> Will it be a problem if I don't QA it until tomorrow afternoon?  I'm going to be out tomorrow morning (hence wanting to go to bed)
[00:06] <cjwatson> Well, I can land it
[00:06] <StevenK> cjwatson: We have one revision waiting, and nothing urgent, so it should be fine
[00:06] <cjwatson> Just QA will be with slightly less alacrity than usual
[00:07] <wgrant> Given that we still have no builders and the change is isolated and trivial, QA on that seems less than essential.
[00:07] <cjwatson> As I suggested in the MP, we can QA this without builders by injecting a production upload
[00:07] <cjwatson> Probably quicker too
[00:08] <wgrant> True
[00:08] <cjwatson> Though I guess we need to mock up the build id in the directory name or something to get it into the right archive, but that's easy enough
[00:09] <cjwatson> Anyway, it's on its way into buildbot, so I'll deal with that tomorrow; feel free to revert if it causes a problem, obviously
[03:37] <StevenK> wgrant: How goes the BFJO murder?
[03:38] <wgrant> I think all the failures are fixed
[03:38] <wgrant> Another ec2 run is 3/4 done
[03:38] <StevenK> Ah, how bad was the ec2 carnage?
[03:38] <wgrant> Only about 60 failures.
[03:39] <StevenK> Not bad.
[03:47] <wgrant> StevenK: Looking
[03:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Does the context of that specificationdependency.py change reveal another place that needs to respect privacy?
[03:52] <StevenK> Unsure
[03:53] <wgrant> Also, have you confirmed that this actually fixes the blocking issue?
[03:54] <StevenK> I've confirmed it passes tests
[03:54] <StevenK> Shall I cowboy it onto mawson?
[03:55] <wgrant> If you can reproduce it on mawson today, that would indeed be a good idea
[03:55] <StevenK> Reproduce the problem?
[03:55] <wgrant> But the existing tests do not catch the blocking issue
[03:55] <wgrant> Yes
[04:04] <lifeless> 16:09 < ajmitch> heh
[04:04] <lifeless> *Bah* copy-paste fail.
[04:05] <ajmitch> quite
[04:48] <StevenK> wgrant: https://blueprints.dogfood.launchpad.net/production-auditor/+spec/spec-c
[04:50] <StevenK> I think I need to revert the change to make use of all_deps, rename dependencies to _dependencies, and write a method called dependencies that filters by visibility
[04:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Why not just make dependencies filter by visibility?
[04:51] <StevenK> 1) You need a user, and 2) dependencies is a SQLRelatedJoin
[04:51] <wgrant> Sure
[04:51] <wgrant> Does dependencies need to be an SQLRelatedJoin?
[04:52] <wgrant> Hm, but if it's an SQLRelatedJoin then it shouldn't recurse
[04:52] <wgrant> So how's it relevant?
[04:52] <StevenK> We don't want it to recurse for the dep tree
[04:52] <wgrant> Oh, does it only show immediate deps?
[04:52] <StevenK> That is exactly what is causing bug 1095235
[04:52] <_mup_> Bug #1095235: Bogus dependencies in Blueprint graph <lp-blueprints> <regression> <specifications> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095235 >
[04:53] <StevenK> Yeah, dependencies and blocked are immeadiate children and parents
[04:53] <wgrant> Sure, but I thought the graph showed more than that
[04:53] <StevenK> r16333 changed the dep tree to use all_deps and all_blocked, which is the entire tree
[04:54] <StevenK> wgrant: It uses dependencies and blocked for each node
[04:54] <StevenK> spec-c all_blocked shows 'spec-a' and 'spec-b' since it's recursive
[04:54] <StevenK> spec-b all_blocked shows 'spec-a'
[04:54] <wgrant> StevenK: So it just uses the recursive query to grab all the nodes, and then queries them all anyway?
[04:55] <wgrant> If not, then what's the recursive query for in the first place?
[04:55] <StevenK> I'm not sure, but the deptree didn't used to use them
[06:05] <StevenK> OH
[06:05]  * StevenK finally figures out this traceback
[06:06] <StevenK> lib/lp/_schema_circular_imports.py, I will DESTROY you
[08:51] <adeuring> good morning
[08:52] <czajkowski> adeuring: morning
[08:52] <adeuring> hi czajkowski!
[08:54] <czajkowski> adeuring: cold and snowing over there?
[08:55] <adeuring> czaqright, we have snow :) But "cold" is more a question of peception. It's not like in sebreia here ;)
[08:56] <adeuring> s/sebreia/siberia/
[08:56] <czajkowski> lol
[08:56] <czajkowski> we have snow too :)
[08:56] <czajkowski> poxy snow :(
[08:59] <StevenK> czajkowski: It's currently 29 here ...
[09:00] <czajkowski> SWAP
[09:01] <lifeless> czajkowski: it was 45 a week ago
[09:02] <czajkowski> tad warm :)
[15:32] <cjwatson> wgrant,StevenK: Review of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/avoid-copy-archive-spam-2/+merge/144727 would be good when you have a chance (and now I'm glad I bothered to QA that)
[19:11] <plomme> hey
[19:21] <plomme> I was wondering if there was anything new regarding bug 1100164 . I know you guys are crazy busy, just curious how far back this has been pushed.
[19:21] <_mup_> Bug #1100164: Private projects are forbidden from having releases when only files are problematic <privacy> <private-projects> <releases> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100164 >