[00:26] <runman71> ciao a tutti
[01:27] <caesar_> i went to remove an app and i get an error that the package manager is being use by another process
[01:27] <caesar_> but i just booted up my computer
[01:27] <caesar_> how can i find out what's using it
[01:34] <Daskreech> caesar_: sure that you don't have anything running?
[01:35] <Daskreech> Could be it checking for any updates
[01:40] <caesar_> Daskreech: I have it set to check for updates once a week and I just installed last updates 2 days ago
[01:41] <Daskreech> caesar_: fair enough
[01:44] <OerHeks> caesar_, do you have package-manager open, and did you try to remove that app in terminal ?
[01:46] <Daskreech> caesar_: are you getting a package lock error?
[01:46] <caesar_> i tried in the software center  and in the package manager.. both same error
[01:46] <caesar_> im gonna reboot once more
[01:46] <caesar_> brb
[01:53] <Daskreech> might just have to kill the lock file
[01:55] <OerHeks> true, if it is occupied and not released.
[01:56] <OerHeks> reboot should do no harm nor break this lock, i guess
[01:56] <Daskreech> unless it's a stale file
[01:56] <Daskreech> if caesar_ comes back and I'm not here
[01:57] <OerHeks> on gnome this should work > sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:57] <Daskreech> try lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:58] <Daskreech> that should say what's holding onto it. If nothing is then you can sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock or run sudo fuser -k /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:58] <Daskreech> second is a lazy unmount of it just in case but just removing it should be enough
[03:15] <Daskreech> APERSON: Ok we get it!
[03:15] <APERSON> I love watching people complain about all-caps nicks
[03:16] <APERSON> it's such a petty thing to whine about
[03:42] <Daskreech> APERSON: It was a joke :)
[03:42] <Daskreech> Just felt like someone saying I'm a person too!!
[03:50] <APERSON> Daskreech↳ :)
[03:51] <APERSON> heh, some people rage at me for having both a all-caps nick and a non-ascii tab-complete suffix
[03:55] <Daskreech> ঙAPERSONৠ: would annoy people I suppose :)
[03:55] <APERSON> apparently it ruins some clients
[03:56] <APERSON> where it makes the rest of the line gibberish
[04:00] <Lynoure> APERSON: what's the reason for that suffix?
[04:01] <APERSON> why not?
[04:02] <Lynoure> APERSON: why not something else, I mean. it was not criticism... just wanting to know what the decision process was.
[04:02] <APERSON> no, that's my reason
[04:02] <APERSON> why not?
[04:03] <Lynoure> APERSON: you used a random generator to choose that specific one?
[04:03] <Lynoure> APERSON: how lucky then to get anything like an arrow.
[04:03] <APERSON> I have a list of arrows that I made
[04:04] <APERSON> I have a script that I use to launch xchat that randomly changes it every start up
[04:04] <Lynoure> ah, now we are getting to the good stuff... :) I thought this would be interesting.
[04:06] <APERSON> sed -i -e 's/^completion_suffix = .*$/completion_suffix = '"$(cat $HOME/.xchat2/arrows.txt | shuf | head -1)"'/' $HOME/.xchat2/xchat.conf
[04:06] <APERSON> that's the gist of it
[04:06] <Lynoure> APERSON: I'm almost sure 1/3 of the people complaining about your tab completion character will change their mind when they hear that :)
[04:06] <Lynoure> Try it sometime.
[04:06] <APERSON> you'd be surprised
[04:07] <Lynoure> Probably not, it's just 1/3, not like "all the people" :(
[04:25] <Daskreech> Lynoure: I'd doubt it. Far fewer people are impressed with technical reasons behind something than are impressed with who got selected to be in the summer movie of the year
[04:32] <Shaxs> Hey guys, I am trying to install emitapp.com which is a tar.gz file. According to the readme in the directory after I unzipped, I am supposed to do "Install to default /usr/local then sudo ./install.  However ./install is not working. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?
[04:42] <Daskreech> Shaxs: tell what steps you did
[04:46] <Shaxs> daskreech: I *think* I may have figure it out...one sec
[04:48] <Shaxs> Daskreech: So it looks like the command was sudo sh ./install
[04:48] <Daskreech> Shaxs: one second. Time is up! We need an answer!
[04:48] <Daskreech> Shaxs: ha ha ok
[04:48] <Daskreech> Shaxs: type ls -l install
[04:48] <Shaxs> Daskreech: however I was missing a dependency
[04:48] <Daskreech> paste back the line here
[04:49] <Daskreech> You can remove your username if you like
[04:49] <Shaxs> Daskreech I need to get this dependency installed first. Lets say I wanted to install miniupnp.free.fr/files/download.php?file=miniupnpc-1.6.tar.gz. I unzipped it. What terminal commands do I need to do to make/install something like this?
[04:50] <Daskreech> Shaxs: what's your dependency?
[04:50] <Shaxs> miniupnpc-1.6.tar.gz
[04:51] <Daskreech> !info miniupnpc
[04:51] <Daskreech> Would that help?
[04:51] <Shaxs> can I apt-get install that?
[04:51] <Daskreech> Yes you can
[04:52] <Shaxs> fyi this is the full install instructions for Emit:http://pastebin.com/fQ0iifVC
[04:53] <Shaxs> Daskreech: so now I have that, I will try your command above
[04:55] <Shaxs> Daskreech: I get this: "-rw-r--r-- 1 jason jason 576 2011-11-01 07:05 install"
[04:56] <Daskreech> Shaxs: can you read that?
[04:57] <Shaxs> ?
[04:58] <Daskreech> Shaxs: do you understand what that line is saying?
[04:58] <Shaxs> not entirely
[05:01] <Daskreech> Shaxs: ok so the first part is a set of permissions
[05:01] <Daskreech> You have one dash that tells you the kind of file
[05:01] <Daskreech> - means a normal file
[05:01] <Daskreech> d means a directory
[05:01] <Daskreech> after that you have 9 dashes
[05:01] <Daskreech> --- --- ---
[05:02] <Daskreech> they are three sets that are each a letter
[05:02] <Daskreech> rwx
[05:02] <Daskreech> so it's three sets of those
[05:02] <Daskreech>  rw- r-- and r-- is what you have
[05:02] <Daskreech> r means read w means write the last dash is a x
[05:02] <Daskreech> Shaxs: can you see that so far?
[05:04] <Shaxs> so first dash before the rw denotes a normal file
[05:05] <Shaxs> no, not sure I follow 100%
[05:06] <Daskreech> Shaxs: right
[05:06] <Daskreech> then the ones after are either a - or a letter
[05:06] <Daskreech> and there are always 9
[05:06] <Daskreech> in groups of three
[05:06] <Daskreech> so when you look at them read them in little groups of three
[05:07] <Daskreech> so the first group is rw-
[05:07] <Daskreech> which means r for read w for write and then a -
[05:07] <Daskreech> the first three are for the owner of the file (which is happily you!) so you can read the file and write to it
[05:08] <Daskreech> however you cannot do the last one since it's a -
[05:08] <darthanubis> my kubuntu is not auto-updating
[05:08] <Daskreech> darthanubis: as in it's not downloading and installing updates or it's not even checking?
[05:08] <Shaxs> got it
[05:09] <Daskreech> Shaxs: the last - can be made into a x
[05:09] <darthanubis> it does not seem to check on its own
[05:09] <Daskreech> x means eXecute
[05:09] <darthanubis> I come home from work and run update from the cli
[05:09] <darthanubis> that works perfectly
[05:09] <Daskreech> that would explain why you couldn't do a ./install to run the program because you don't have permissions to do so
[05:10] <Daskreech> Shaxs: if you run chmod u+x install then ./install should work
[05:10] <Daskreech> also ls -l would show -rwxr--r--
[05:10] <Daskreech> darthanubis: Check your setting in muon ? it has an update policy there as I recall
[05:11] <Shaxs> ahhhh
[05:11] <Shaxs> understood
[05:11] <Daskreech> Shaxs: if you would like I can explain the last two groups of three
[05:11] <Daskreech> but that should be enough toget you run the file.
[05:11] <Shaxs> Daskreech so what I want it to be is rwx
[05:12] <Daskreech> One thing you should learn from this is that any file in Linux can be made into program so be careful of files people give you randomly.
[05:12] <Daskreech> Shaxs: correct. The command <chmod u+x install>  will give your user the x permission
[05:13] <Shaxs> ahhh got it
[05:13] <darthanubis> Daskreech: Muon was already setup to look for updates and notify
[05:14] <darthanubis> It's weird, because to install soulseek, my system wants to pull in all of Ubuntu proper?
[05:15] <darthanubis> sorry not soulseek nicotine
[05:16] <darthanubis> maybe my source.list file is of?
[05:16] <darthanubis> off?
[05:17] <Shaxs> Daskreech: what would an non-normal file look like?
[05:17] <Daskreech> Shaxs: what is your definition of a non normal file?
[05:17] <Daskreech> one that doesn't have a - at the start?
[05:17] <Daskreech> darthanubis: sudo apt-get update would tell you
[05:18] <darthanubis> that works perfectly
[05:18] <darthanubis> but it should not be wanting to download all of Ubuntu to get nicotine
[05:18] <darthanubis> so something is off, but I can't find what.
[05:18] <Daskreech> It's not the file then apt-get would either freak or refuse to work if that was corrupted
[05:18] <darthanubis> I know
[05:19] <Daskreech> darthanubis: apt-cache depends nicotine
[05:19] <Shaxs> Daskreech up above you said " - means a normal file" just curious what else could show up there?
[05:19] <darthanubis> http://privatepaste.com/a20f20a7e6
[05:20] <darthanubis> Suggests: python-gnome2? <<<is that the culprit?
[05:21] <Daskreech> Shaxs: a d means a directory (folder for people from the Windows World)
[05:22] <Daskreech> darthanubis: sounds like it
[05:22] <Daskreech> that's by far the most common two
[05:22] <Daskreech> Shaxs: ^^ sorry forgot to direct that to you
[05:23] <Daskreech> darthanubis: install it without suggests
[05:23] <darthanubis> Daskreech: That I don't know how to do
[05:23] <Shaxs> thanks
[05:25] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get -o APT::Install-Suggests="false" install nicotine
[05:25] <Daskreech> Shaxs: You have pipe files which you likely never meet unless you get paid a lot of money to keep linux computer running
[05:26] <Daskreech> Shaxs: there are device files which are in /dev which you probably shouldn't play with
[05:26] <darthanubis> Thanks, but if "install suggested recommends as dependencies" is unchecked, why would the system keep wanting to do that?
[05:26] <Daskreech> Shaxs: there are also link files (shown with a l) which are like Windows Shortcuts in some way
[05:27] <darthanubis> nvm, it suddenly does not wantto do that anymore
[05:27] <darthanubis> weird
[05:27] <Daskreech> darthanubis: that is strange
[05:28] <Shaxs> Daskreech: Ive used pipes before for grepping logs :)
[05:28] <Daskreech> Shaxs: its the same idea except it exists as a file on the file system that can be owned and survives reboots :)
[05:29] <darthanubis> I found out from a google search a thread on ubuntu forums about the auto update, install update-notifier, updated the system, then rechecked and unchecked install suggested as dependecies, and all is normal now?
[05:29] <Daskreech> It's a fascinating little trick but honestly never going to be used by mortal users
[05:29] <Daskreech> darthanubis: Ah I've had that happen a few times (not for this system)
[05:30] <Daskreech> where checking and unchecking something actually does quite a few changes in the back that for some reason had something missing on manual checks/changes
[05:32] <darthanubis> hmm
[05:32] <darthanubis> just glad my two "bugs" are gone
[05:33] <darthanubis> ty for your time:)
[05:34] <Daskreech> Sure
[05:44] <Shaxs> Daskreech: is there a log that saves the output from terminal?
[05:45] <Daskreech> Shaxs: depends on what you mean. What are you trying to get ?
[05:46] <Shaxs> for emit, I am running another command. According to documentation " FFmpeg in apt is also useless (no x264 and no libfaac). Run "sh ffmpeg.sh". It will build packages of latest ffmpeg with the most common codecs. It will also remove any existing ffmpeg, x264 and libvpx.
[05:46] <Shaxs> However this is a very long output from termianl but the end result is it fails
[05:46] <Shaxs> I was hoping to read through the output and see where the error(s) are
[05:47] <Daskreech> Shaxs: try sh ffmpeg.sh >output.log
[05:48] <Shaxs> thanks!
[05:49] <Shaxs> when doing that does nothing show on screen? i.e. it all gets dumped to file without being shown in terminal?
[05:50] <Shaxs> oh nope there it goes
[05:50] <Daskreech> Shaxs: Yes. if you still wanted everything on the screen you can use tee to send output to two places
[05:51] <Daskreech> The error will still showup on the screen incidentally
[05:51] <Daskreech> If you just wanted the error in a file I can do that as well
[05:53] <Shaxs> no this works great
[05:53] <Shaxs> fyi I love Guake Terminal
[05:54] <Daskreech> !info yakuak
[05:54] <Daskreech> !info yakuake
[05:55] <Daskreech> Shaxs: I think you'll like that better :)
[05:55] <Shaxs> better?
[05:56] <Daskreech> yep it's has some pretty cool terminal splitting capabilties and looks pretty neat
[05:57] <Shaxs> nice I will check it out
[05:58] <Shaxs> so it looks like, there are multiple commands in that sh file and doing ?output.log does not capture all of them
[05:58] <Shaxs> what ends on my screen does not match what is in the log
[06:00] <Daskreech> Shaxs: the command I gave you saves all the successful commands to the output.log the errors go to the screen
[06:00] <Daskreech> you can try sh ffmpeg.sh 2> errors.log
[06:00] <Daskreech> or of course sh ffmpeg.sh > output.log 2> errors.log to grab them both
[06:00] <Shaxs> oh how do I output everything?
[06:02] <Maarceeloo> holaa
[06:03] <Shaxs> thanks
[06:05] <Shaxs> !info x264
[06:05] <Shaxs> !info libfaac
[06:05] <Shaxs> hummm..
[06:09] <Shaxs> lots of errors in the ffmpeg.sh script
[06:47] <Daskreech> Shaxs: sorry you want everythign in one file ?
[07:05] <Daskreech> Shaxs: sorry got distracted again.
[07:05] <Daskreech> sh ffmpeg.sh 2>&1 >output.log
[07:16] <AndroidLoverInSF> why is it that nautilus is able to see my camera as a hard drive, but dolphin cant mount it like a hard drive?
[07:17] <richar_> why can t i mount my network harddrive automatic when i log in ?
[07:20] <Tech-1> make believe its your girlfriend
[07:21] <Shaxs> Daskreech: no worries
[07:21] <Daskreech> richar_: look at /etc/fstab
[07:21] <Shaxs> Daskreech: Yeah having major issues. I give up trying to get EMIT installed for now. Maybe I will just install the windows version.
[07:22] <Daskreech> Shaxs: what's the problem?
[07:25] <Shaxs> the ffmpeg.sh script fails and when I try to start emit I get: "
[07:25] <Shaxs> {1,25,7} - <0.55.0> ffmpeg lacks libfaac, streaming will not work!
[07:25] <Shaxs> {1,25,7} - <0.55.0> ffmpeg lacks libx264, streaming will not work!"
[07:33] <Daskreech> Shaxs: what's the failure of the ffmpeg script can you pastebin it?
[07:38] <Shaxs> sure
[07:39] <Shaxs> Daskreech http://pastebin.com/tNpE9gvs
[07:41] <Daskreech> Shaxs: What's this trying to do?
[07:42] <Shaxs> according to documentation
[07:42] <Shaxs> "
[07:42] <Shaxs> FFmpeg in apt is also useless (no x264 and no libfaac). Run "sh ffmpeg.sh".
[07:42] <Shaxs> It will build packages of latest ffmpeg with the most common codecs. It will
[07:42] <Shaxs> also remove any existing ffmpeg, x264 and libvpx.
[07:42] <Daskreech> when was that documentation written?
[07:43] <Daskreech> !info ffmpeg
[07:44] <Daskreech> You might notice that it's trying to install older versions of all the software
[07:44] <Shaxs> oh yeah?
[07:45] <Daskreech> !info x264
[07:45] <Daskreech> !info libfaac0
[07:46] <Daskreech> there are also x264 and libfaac libraries available
[07:46] <Daskreech> If emit is trying to compile it may want the header files as well
[07:46] <Daskreech> !info libfaac-dev
[07:46] <Shaxs> Not sure when it was written
[07:46] <Daskreech> !ingo libx264-dev
[07:46] <Daskreech> !info libx264-dev
[07:48] <Daskreech> Those are all newer versions than what that script is trying to install (which it's doing because they don't exist and if they do they are old)
[07:48] <Daskreech> so I would suggest just installing them from apt
[07:48] <Shaxs> okay
[07:51] <Shaxs> I had all already installed
[07:51] <Daskreech> if the plain versions aren't enough for the ./install script the -dev packages I called earlier might help
[07:51] <Daskreech> but  I'm heading off to bed now
[07:51] <Shaxs> night thanks for the help
[07:52] <Daskreech> if it's not drastically important then someone will be along to help though that may be after sunrise
[07:53] <Shaxs> its not imortant
[07:53] <Shaxs> :)
[07:53] <Shaxs> jsut trying to stream video files to my android
[08:50] <zelda> Hi. I installed Kubuntu 11.10 through bootable USB flash drive onto an external HDD. I made sure to specify the destination for grub install to be the external hdd. Now when I boot from HDD, I just a blinking cursor.
[08:52] <zelda> Any ideas why is it behaving so? The HDD is healthy. It's Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex 1 TB.
[08:55] <zelda> I can see the BIOS does detect the external HDD
[08:59] <jmichaelx> this whole phono + pulseaudio business is completely dysfunctional
[09:00] <jmichaelx> phonon*
[09:20] <zelda> I have the same issue as this guy:http://www.linuxnewbieguide.org/content/how-install-ubuntu-external-usb-hdd Any ideas what might be the issue?
[09:25] <jamil_1> I all, It seems it is impossible to add new item in KickOff Application Launcher sub menus
[09:25] <jamil_1> tried adding Eclipes in Development category several times with no success
[10:05] <alban>   Hi Can anybody help me in seetting up Kontact calinder
[10:18] <petro> Привет народ)
[10:19] <petro> ???
[10:25] <alban> I cannot add entrys to the Calinder in kontact (Kubuntu 11.10)..  Settings Configure Calinder does not give me a entry for the Aconadi Server  T Thought tiis would be the default on a NEW Install
[10:27] <alban> The Akonadi Server is Running & Kmail appears to be using it
[10:34] <rork> !ru | petro
[10:35] <Adonai> Satan, El diablo, Shaytan, Sofia Rosengren 32 years, World Class city Göteborg, she lives in protekted adress,
[10:35] <Adonai> her father name is Johansson, adress Westmarksgränd 21, 44435 Nödinge. blond hair, Satan, El diablo, Shaytan,
[10:35] <Adonai> Jesus is Lord, Tsidkenu the lord of rightoutness
[10:37] <rork> alban: in Settings > Configure calendar > General > Calendars do you have any calenders set there?
[11:09] <geekosopher> why is there no firefox 8 for kubuntu yet?
[11:12] <geekosopher> i mean oneiric
[11:20] <alban42> THANKS rork I see several calinder backensd but no akonadi
[11:22] <alban42> I have Kolab / Birthdays & Calinders / DAV Groupware / Ical /  kde traditional
[11:23] <rork> I have the same but my calendar list in Akonadi is the same as in Kontact
[11:24] <rork> So I think if you add one it will be added to Akonadi, and Calendar will set/get the info from Akonadi
[11:41] <alban42> THANKS Rork I will try it ...
[12:17] <VioletaPalomar> ?
[12:35] <Martt> hi everybody
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:30] <luke_66> hi eveyone.
[14:31] <luke_66> how can i browse through Konsole history and get past commands even if i close and restart Konsole. i'm a gnome user and with gnome terminal works by ths way, but with Knonsole not...
[14:32] <luke_66> * i forget: with g terminal works with Up-arrow
[14:34] <gigasoft> i have problem with my task mnager, it groups programs on the silly way,  how to turn this off
[14:34] <gigasoft> ?
[14:36] <trions> gigasoft: what do you mean by silly way?
[14:36] <trions> You can right click task manager > Task Manager Settings >Grouping drop down.
[14:37] <gigasoft> well, i have two monitors, and i want to turn off all grouping
[14:37] <gigasoft> but it does not 'listen'
[14:39] <trions> Did you check out  Task Manager settings? Under "Grouping and Sorting' >Grouping > Do not sort. That should work.
[14:41] <gigasoft> yes i do .. but it does not work
[14:47] <snoozer_> lol
[14:52] <luke_66> anybody could help me?
[14:52] <Hernan_1980> Hello luke
[14:54] <luke_66> hi. how can i browse through Konsole history and get past commands even if i close and restart Konsole. i'm a gnome user and with gnome terminal works with Up Arrow but with Knonsole not...
[14:55] <Hernan_1980> I don't know. I'm Newbi.. using Kubuntu with XFCE terminal
[14:55] <saravana> hi guys . is there any software available for kubuntu like rocket dock
[14:56] <Hernan_1980> This is my first time in IRC chanel
[14:56] <Hernan_1980> I'm learning to use this
[14:57] <Hernan_1980> bye,
[14:57] <Hernan_1980> have a Nive day guys.....
[15:02] <saravana> can anyone tell me a software for kubuntu like rocket dock
[15:05] <rork> luke_66: that puzzles me for konsole behaves that way by default too, I've got no idea what can be going wrong though.
[15:06] <luke_66> ok, tnx everyone anyway
[15:07] <saravana> bye
[15:15] <_serial_> hi all, is there any other menu applets that are worth looking at?
[15:24] <Xelmep> !help
[15:53] <caesar_> i went to install an app and i get an error that the package manager is being use by another process
[15:53] <caesar_> this is after i just booted up
[15:56] <BluesKaj> caesar_, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:57] <BluesKaj> caesar_, or did you logout of your last session with the package manger still open
[15:57] <caesar_> BluesKaj: wouldn't a restart close all programs?
[15:58] <caesar_> what is all this downloading?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> not if you have restore previos session enabled in system settings > startup & shutdown
[16:01] <caesar_> BluesKaj: i just fixed that
[16:02] <caesar_> ty.. but what was that command for
[16:02] <caesar_> updates?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> it finishes any updates or upgrades that were left in limbo when you logged out
[16:04] <caesar_> ok
[16:04] <caesar_> ima reboot now with fresh session, see if that works
[16:04] <BluesKaj> it either drops any tha can't install due to dependency probs or finishes installing those that can
[16:12] <caesar_> BluesKaj: that worked
[16:13] <BluesKaj> right
[16:13] <caesar_> but after this latest reboot.. now my start menu is at the top of my screen
[16:13] <caesar_> weird
[16:14] <BluesKaj> yeah, strange little bugs in plasma..I still get crashes
[16:15] <caesar_> k rebooting again.. brb
[16:22] <trions> Is there a way to view all the packages installed by file size (decreasing)?
[16:34] <caesar_> what custom command do i have to put into "alarm clock" to make the alarm play in let's say VLC or Amarok.. because the default isn't playing
[16:37] <caesar_> "rhythm-client --play" is there by default but i dont have rhythmbox
[16:46] <in0cula> i love kubuntu
[17:00] <Martt> hi everybody
[17:02] <in0cula> is there a web site that explain customization and improvements?
[17:02] <in0cula> even if kubuntu is very cool out of the box
[17:03] <Quintasan> in0cula: http://userbase.kde.org/
[17:04] <in0cula> thx
[18:16] <TheLastProject> When was that KDE bugfix coming again?
[18:16] <TheLastProject> 3 Plasma Desktop crashes within 5 minutes is really starting to annoy me >_>
[18:17] <TheLastProject> Especially since some software, like Xchat, overreacts and crashes as well then...
[18:34] <skramer_> hi everybody. Since fresh install of Oneiric, I have some strange issue with rekonq: It always ask how to deal with PHP scripts. Either "save as" or "open". But open just shows the script instead of the web page...   First Google result was "Children's Trust Fund of Oregon"
[18:40] <caesar_> :x
[18:49] <rork> skramer_: with the script, do you mean raw PHP or just the HTML it prints?
[19:09] <jaafar> Hi everybody.  What's the magic trick to get Amarok to play my audio CD's?   I get the popup that says "Play audio CD with Amarok" as an action... nothing happens.  Well, Amarok starts, that's it.  Attempting to add tracks manually doesn't seem to work either.  No error - it just doesn't do anything. Help!
[19:12] <skramer_> rork: it prints some text starting with <html>
[19:12] <rork> skramer_: and there
[19:13] <rork> +'s not something like <?php in it?
[19:16] <skreech_> jaafar: can you check in #amarok ?
[19:20] <jaafar> skreech_: thanks, I will.  I just saw some stuff online suggesting that it was a kubuntu issue..
[19:21] <skramer_> rork: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/19/Screen2.png
[19:22] <skramer_> rork: and after I click "open": http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/19/Screen3.png
[19:22] <skreech_> jaafar: Where was that information?
[19:26] <jaafar> skreech_: I can't find that link right now for some reason :(
[19:26] <jaafar> something about hal?
[19:26] <jaafar> or the backend configuration?
[19:27] <jaafar> skreech_: oh here we go http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=94572
[19:28] <rork> skramer_: does it only happen on a particular page? or with all php pages? e.g. http://www.rork.nl/index.php ?
[19:29] <skramer_> rork: your page works...
[19:30] <rork> skramer_: so it seems to be a site specific problem, not a general browser problem. Which link did you click on that site?
[19:32] <skramer_> rork: any of the links has same effect, opening the text. but I just found out that pressing F5 from that text finally shows the right page
[19:34] <skramer_> rork: still, rekonq seems to have problem with pages which miss favicon.ico: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/19/Screen4.png
[19:34] <skramer_> rork: which is rather strange since I never had such problem before on the system which I upgraded since 7.10...
[19:36] <rork> skramer_: all your screenshots showed the same screen
[19:36] <Shaxs> I have an "internet dvr" and want to sync the contents of where I save my videos to a backup drive. So if I delete a file off the source, I want the same file to be deleted from the backup. Would this be the correct rsync command "rsync –av --delete /homes/user/Videos/tv /media/backupdrive/tv backup"
[19:38] <skramer_> rork: hmm...  strange
[19:38] <skramer_> rork: I have to leave now... thanks for you help, anywa
[19:38] <skramer_> y
[19:38] <skramer_> :-)
[19:40] <Shaxs> anyone have experience with rsync?
[19:40] <rork> !patience | Shaxs
[19:41] <rork> Shaxs: that was not exactly the message I wanted to send, it would be "if someone knows  your answer (s)he will answer you :)
[19:41] <Shaxs> its all good
[19:42] <Shaxs> just nervous to run this command dont want to accidently delete stuff
[19:49] <jaafar> just verified my audio cd playing problem on two different machines, both running Oneiric, and two different CDs
[19:49] <jaafar> does this work for anyone?
[19:52] <jaafar> and if not, maybe "play audio cd with amarok" is not a good thing for the device thing to suggest :)
[19:53] <Matisse> Hi
[19:54] <Matisse> i try to use alsa instead of pulse. How can I check if the sound is play only with alsa?
[19:58] <jaafar> skreech_: even more info here, looks like a common problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1841118&page=3
[20:08] <redsusan> Hello, I cannot play dvds. I have installed kubuntu extras to.What am I missing?
[20:12] <Matisse> redsusan, explain in detail
[20:12] <Matisse> otherwise nobody can help you
[20:13] <rork> redsusan: did you install libdvdcss2?
[20:14] <redsusan> yes i did
[20:15] <redsusan> I am still searching on google
[20:15] <rork> hm, that should normally do the trick :/
[20:17] <redsusan> I rebooted the computer to.
[20:25] <redsusan> I am using VLC player, and this is what I get...................
[20:25] <redsusan> Playback failure:
[20:25] <redsusan> DVDRead could not open the disc "/dev/dvd".
[20:25] <redsusan> Your input can't be opened:
[20:25] <redsusan> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'dvd:///dev/dvd'.
[20:33] <rork> redsusan: I get that occasionally, I blame it on my dvdplayer drivers, it works if I pop in the cd, wait for the "insert media" menu to pop up and the select "play with VLC"
[20:33] <i_am_null> how do i disable panel transparency in kubuntu 11.10?
[20:33] <i_am_null> like, just have a plain gray panel or something
[20:35] <BluesKaj> try a new desktop theme in windows decor or something, i_am_null
[20:36] <BluesKaj> oh yeah I forgot to say like
[20:36] <i_am_null> they're all freaking transparent
[20:37] <BluesKaj> import spme new ones or somerthing like
[20:37] <i_am_null> they're probably all transparent too
[20:37] <i_am_null> what's the deal with transparent stuff
[20:37] <BluesKaj> no they aren't
[20:37] <i_am_null> i find it highly annoying, isn't there just a switch to turn off transparent panels
[20:38] <BluesKaj> stop trolling and do something
[20:38] <i_am_null> i see other screen shots of people using the default theme on kubuntu but they don't have a transparent panel
[20:38] <hays> so font rendering in linux appears to suck... is there anything that can be done about this?
[20:38] <hays> particularly firefox has a real hard time, it appears
[20:38] <i_am_null> surely there is a option to turn this off?
[20:40] <BluesKaj> well , look around, i_am_null ...maybe if you concentrate on finding jnew themes instead you might , likr find find something
[20:41] <i_am_null> maybe i will just switch to the redmond theme, nothing in it is transparent
[20:42] <BluesKaj> hays have you set your font choices in system settings>application appearancs
[20:42] <hays> BluesKaj: yeah i set it to all the Deja family
[20:42] <hays> quassel looks great, its really just the web (firefox) that looks terrible
[20:42] <i_am_null> hays: make sure font hinting is set to slight
[20:42] <i_am_null> my fonts looked like crap untill i did that
[20:43] <i_am_null> also uncheck the "exclude range" button
[20:43] <i_am_null> kubuntu's fonts are screwy out of the box for some reason
[20:43] <i_am_null> at least they were for me
[20:43] <BluesKaj> hays and use the high res amd high cpu fine tuning
[20:44] <BluesKaj> and
[20:44] <hays> huh?
[20:44] <BluesKaj> in the style section
[20:44] <i_am_null> what's really bad is awful fonts on a transparent panel :P
[20:44] <i_am_null> hard to read
[20:47] <BluesKaj> then change the font defaults
[20:48] <hays> not allowing web pages to choose their own fonts seems to help
[20:48] <hays> ALOT
[20:49] <hays> I actually like 'slight' hinting better than medium
[20:50] <jjman6> how come when running muon it won't let me do anything Saying i don't have permissions to do that operation.  And its not even prompting for admin pw
[20:53] <hays> BluesKaj: it seems like the essense of the problem is that there is no standardized way to render a font (or people aren't following it) so when linux picks some random TTF that a website wants, Freetype is not going to do as good job of it as Windows...
[20:57] <igor__> че это за хрень?
[20:57] <BluesKaj> !ru | igor__
[20:58] <igor__> кто меня читает чте это за фигня?
[21:41]  * Daskreech yawns
[21:41] <Daskreech> Anyone needs anything?
[21:42] <BarkingFish> nrn, Daskreech - if you need to go get some Z's, i'm happy to sit in and help :)
[21:43]  * Daskreech jsut woke up!
[21:43] <BarkingFish> oh. I saw you yawn and though you were tired
[21:43] <BarkingFish> :P
[21:53] <Daskreech> Doesn't mean I'm not tired :-D
[21:53]  * Daskreech hugs the pillow while it's still warm
[22:01] <BarkingFish> Daskreech: I'm pretty tired too, I usually have a little shuteye in the middle of the evening, just to keep myself running till i knock off about 1am
[22:01] <BarkingFish> i missed it tonight, and boy am I feeling it.  3 coffees and I'm still not fully conscious
[22:01] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Mid day naps are important :) I'm fine you can go if you like
[22:02] <BarkingFish> nah, it's only 10pm here. If I go to bed now I'll be up by 5am :P
[22:15] <katsrc> whenever i watch a movie on my Kubuntu desktop, the monitor will go blank, is this due to some power saving profile?
[22:19] <Daskreech> katsrc: sounds like it
[22:19] <Daskreech> most players should inhibit it but KDE 4.8 will have a don't move button in the systray so you can hit it and the computer won't sleep or shutoff the screen
[22:21] <katsrc> Daskreech: seems like the profile settings don't change a thing
[22:21] <katsrc> that's good to know about KDE 4.8
[22:21] <Daskreech> katsrc: that's a little strange then. Perhaps the monitor has it built in ?
[22:22] <katsrc> yeah, that's what i'm assuming
[22:29] <BarkingFish> can you not disable screen blanking & power saving in the systemsettings?
[22:29] <BarkingFish> i killed mine in my x configuration, took out the DPMS entry
[22:41] <katsrc> BarkingFish: seems like it was only an issue with VLC.
[22:41] <BarkingFish> katsrc: ok then, I'm sure VLC has that as an advanced config option
[23:00] <jmichaelx> what notifications need to be disabled to stop the kmail popup warning each time a person logs in?
[23:01] <jmichaelx> 11.10 would have been far better off to ship with KDE 4.6.5
[23:04] <jaafar> jmichaelx: yeah that's pretty silly
[23:04] <jaafar> uh, I mean the kmail popup
[23:10] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: kmail pops up something?
[23:11] <jaafar> on every login on oneiric :)
[23:28] <reisio> I'm look for something very hand-holdy for getting photos off a plugged in camera
[23:33] <jesusgarciagomez> hola
[23:33] <jesusgarciagomez> alguien que hable español???
[23:34] <reisio> jesusgarciagomez: #ubuntu-es
[23:34] <Daskreech> !es
[23:34] <Daskreech> reisio: digikam or gwenview
[23:34] <jesusgarciagomez> ok gracias
[23:35] <reisio> Daskreech: using digikam now, doesn't hold enough hand :p
[23:35] <reisio> I suppose I'll make some script
[23:36] <Daskreech> reisio: what are you looking for it to do?
[23:41] <reisio> Daskreech: I basically need the files to automatically copy when the device is connected, and then have dolphin open the directory, and have a right-click shortcut :p
[23:41] <janie> I need help getting Kubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric) to use my Broadcom wireless card.
[23:41] <reisio> I'll sort it out, just thought I'd see if anybody knew of something for it :p
[23:41] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yes, the kmail popup.... how does one disable that? the notification settings are like a jungle.
[23:41] <Daskreech> reisio: what would the right click shortcut be?
[23:41] <Daskreech> !broadcom
[23:41] <janie> Thank you.
[23:42] <jmichaelx> i think it would be great if KDE moved away from annoying popups altogether
[23:42] <Daskreech> reisio: it does sound scripty though. Pretty sure that you can get that working with some udev scripts
[23:42] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: remove the systemtray. Donw
[23:42] <Daskreech> Done
[23:42] <reisio> yeah
[23:42] <reisio> upload to facebook probably
[23:43] <reisio> I might be lazy and skip that part, though
[23:43] <reisio> and just tell her how to do it
[23:43] <Daskreech> That's implemented already. Kipi
[23:43] <reisio> talking to me?
[23:51] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: remove the system tray?
[23:51] <reisio> Daskreech: what's kipi?
[23:51] <Daskreech> That's what is holding the notifications area and making the popups
[23:52] <Daskreech> reisio: kde imaging plugin interface
[23:52] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: my question was how to stop the kmail popups
[23:52] <reisio> Daskreech: for dolphin?
[23:52] <reisio> Daskreech: is that already installed?
[23:52] <Daskreech> reisio: press print screen and the send to button is kipi
[23:52] <Daskreech> should be if you have plasma installed
[23:53] <Daskreech> reisio: it's a library works over dbus so You can script it into anything I would think
[23:53] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Ah only kmail ones
[23:54] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I suppose settings -> configure notifications doesn't help you?
[23:54]  * jmichaelx facepalm
[23:55] <reisio> okay I don't frequently use KDE, so this has been bothering me for a while
[23:55] <reisio> in konsole, if you accidentally hit CTRL+SHIFT+t for a new tab, how do you  undo what it does? :p
[23:58] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: you get asked a lof of questions, so i will not blame you for not even having read the question that you were nonetheless giving an answer to... but if you do happen to know WHICH of the notification setting applies to this kmail popup, i would appreciate it.
[23:59]  * jmichaelx makes a habit of misreading everyone's IRC posts


[04:08] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: FYI you can redirect download.kubuntu.co.uk to cdimages
[06:49] <ovidiu-florin> to who can I talk to about the network manager in Plasma 5? I have an iddea and I'd like to help implement it.
[06:58] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: I guess #kde-devel might be a good place top start...
[07:03] <ovidiu-florin> I asked in #plasma, but no answer yet
[07:03] <ovidiu-florin> Those guys rarely answer my questions
[07:09] <ovidiu-florin> thanks jussi
[07:09] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: will we see you at the BSP?
[07:09] <jussi> no
[07:10] <ovidiu-florin> that's two bad
[07:10] <jussi> Im kinda on the wrong side of the world for that...
[07:10] <ovidiu-florin> I was looking forward to seeing you guys again
[07:10] <ovidiu-florin> Down under?
[07:10] <jussi> Yeah
[07:11] <ovidiu-florin> How is it there? I'm really curious on visiting that place.
[07:11] <ovidiu-florin> A friend planned to move there from Itally
[07:12] <jussi> hehe, Im sure youll like it.
[07:12] <ovidiu-florin> Maybe
[07:12] <jussi> I got to run... laters
[07:12] <ovidiu-florin> see ya
[07:22] <valorie> o/ from Geneva train station
[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:31] <Odur> lordievader: Godmorgon (as we says in Sweden)
[07:31] <lordievader> Odur: Godmorgon to you to ;)
[07:31] <Odur> :)
[09:43] <lordievader> For the testing of daily iso's what has a higher priority? The Utopic daily or the plasma5 daily?
[09:52] <lordievader> I went with Utopic daily for now. Is it correct that OEM mode is no longer available. Also why is there a "Back..." option in the live-cd grub? All it seems to do is error.
[09:55] <lordievader> Ah bug #1334189.
[10:17] <Ab3L> hi
[10:17] <Ab3L> may I park here?
[10:18] <lordievader> Park?
[10:21] <Ab3L> stay here to know what you are speaking about. valorie suggested me to join this channel to know which are the work-in-progress in kubuntu.
[10:21] <Ab3L> (i've just drunk a coffee with her some minutes ago)
[10:21] <lordievader> Ab3L: All are welcome :) Though if you'd like to help out I'd suggest to talk to the devs.
[10:23] <Ab3L> lordievader: knowledge and will i have. problems are given by the time
[10:24] <Ab3L> i may help in translations or testing
[10:39] <lordievader> Ab3L: Oehh, I'm a tester. :)
[10:52] <Ab3L> :)
[10:53] <Ab3L> i never performed that, but it sounds good. lordievader, how do you do to test? are you running stuffs in your main machine or in a virtualised system?
[10:56] <lordievader> Ab3L: I used to run them on a dedicated test machine, but nowadays I usually use KVM for testing inside of VM's.
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Have you done some Utopic daily testing lately?
[11:28] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I've been running Utopic since shortly after trusty was released back in April
[11:30] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I was talking about the iso's, perhaps I wasn't clear on that. Anyhow I'm facing this bug and I'd like to ask you to verify/confirm the bug: bug #1354679
[11:31] <BluesKaj> lordievader, well I do keep it updated and upgraded
[11:32] <BluesKaj> I haven't seen that bug on my setup, either on the desktop or on this laptop
[11:33] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Could you perhaps test the iso of today for the bug?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i don't use LVM , and I always do manual partitioning during installs due to having 3 OSs on each of my computers.
[11:40] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Testing in a VM is good enough, no need to physically install it. I would just like someone to confirm this bug, as it can be a deal breaker.
[11:41] <BluesKaj> sorry lordievader I don't use VMs
[11:41] <lordievader> Hmm, too bad.
[13:06] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: valorie where are you?
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I am hiding
[15:33] <apachelogger> t
[15:33] <apachelogger> mh, what plasma5 needs is a thing that turns of the touchpad while typing xD
[17:00] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: oh noes
[17:01] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: whai
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: daemon/backends/upower/powerdevilupowerbackend.cpp
[18:46] <yofel> shadeslayer_: I wonder if I should've fixed the version in there ^^
[19:06] <shadeslayer_> yofel: hm?
[19:08] <yofel> shadeslayer_: "Since version 1.11 ..." -> "return upstartVersion >= 1.1;"
[19:50]  * valorie is here now.....
[19:53]  * genii transmogrifies some beans and water into a mug of coffee and slides it to valorie
[20:01] <ScottK> Riddell: korundum without nepomuk support was never uploaded.  Just did that.  Maybe that will help.
[20:03] <Mamarok> so where are all these Kubuntu folks, all on te top floor as well? Guys, I can't go up, too tired...
[20:04] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what happened to the mezzanine folks?
[20:04] <apachelogger> Mamarok: what's a mezzanine?
[20:04] <apachelogger> I shall pack me things and go find you tho :)
[20:04] <Mamarok> ground floor, the big room where we always were in the previous years
[20:05] <apachelogger> ah
[20:09] <ScottK> Any ideas why korundum didn't get uploaded to the archive the last two times (nor the staging ppa)?
[20:19]  * valorie transmogrifies that cup of coffee into Free Beer and sips
[20:19] <valorie> it's late here, in Switzerland
[20:19] <valorie> and we're already at work on the book!
[20:19] <valorie> \o/
[20:20] <genii> valorie: :D
[21:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: qApp->quit()
[21:03] <apachelogger> QApplication::instance()->quit()
[22:48] <ScottK> Riddell: kde4libs and company are about to migrate.


  I haven't run debian in forever
[01:18] <JanC> obviously they will only promote packages that are in Debian
[01:19] <JanC> anyway, remove the package I mentioned above, and it should go away
[01:20] <Dean_Guss> I will.. but seriously, whose idea was it to include such spam?  And where else is spam hidden on my system?
[01:20] <Dean_Guss> I prefer to be kosher and halal both!
[01:21] <JanC> you really shouldn't be surprised that Canonical news includes Canonical products
[01:22] <Dean_Guss> I guess you're right
[01:23] <Dean_Guss> I haven't run ubuntu in years either before this... the blatant spam just shocked the conscious I guess
[01:23] <JanC> and it seems to be open source too
[01:23] <Dean_Guss> I didn't realize it was a canonical product, at least that is better
[01:24] <Dean_Guss> but still pretty shocking
[01:25] <Dean_Guss> When you install an FOSS server OS you don't really expect to be spammed with commercial services
[01:25] <JanC> https://github.com/ubuntu/microk8s
[01:25] <Dean_Guss> but I guess I learned my lesson
[01:25] <JanC> it's not even a commercial service per se
[01:27] <JanC> more like an optional feature that's available for free?
[01:28] <Dean_Guss> Interesting ... well that feels better.  Still, strange that they're pushing it in my motd
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> lol when I try to remove the package it says:
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:30] <Dean_Guss>   motd-news-config ubuntu-server
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> I guess I can't remove it
[01:30] <JanC> you can probably just disable it also
[01:30] <Dean_Guss> yeah, I disabled the service
[01:30] <JanC> but removing a meta-package like ubuntu-server isn't going to destroy your server  :)
[01:31] <Dean_Guss> oh good. here goes
[01:31] <Dean_Guss> ty JanC
[01:32] <JanC> it might get re-installed on system-upgrades
[01:35] <JanC> IIRC it's implemented using a PAM module, so I assume that's also the level where to disable it
[01:45] <rfm> I believe the "canonical" way of disabling it is changing to  "ENABLED=0" in /etc/default/motd-news
[01:51] <TJ-> or deleting /etc/default/motd-news means it won't be replaced on package upgrades
[01:51] <TJ-> you can also selectively take away the 'x' mode bit from scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ to stop them doing anything
[02:43] <JanC> right, the /etc/default/ stuff likely is the best way
[06:34] <Bebef> teward: So if I have used Livepatch three times. I obviously only get a token three times and that's it? Or will records for servers that don't exist any more expired after some time and then I can generate a new token?
[07:26] <TJ-> why does the subiquity installer have such a poor user experience? surely by now it should be ready for prime time
[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage: are you ok with the RelWithDebInfo change going back to bionic?
[12:47] <jamespage> yep
[12:47] <coreycb> jamespage: ok I c an work on that unless you have something in flight
[13:40] <teward> Bebef: I don't have an answer for you; Livepatch and how that stuff works is all Canonical's stuff and I don't have knowledge into the inner workings / tracking on that
[13:47] <teward> TJ-: define 'poor user experience' - usually most of the problems I see reported about subiquity involve user error :P
[13:47] <teward> (and most users are 'lazy' and don't like 'change' to how installation stuff works)
[13:47] <teward> (at least, that's what I've seen)
[14:01] <TJ-> teward: try being visually impaired or blind for example, with a screen reader or other assistive technology
[14:02] <teward> TJ-: and this somehow *wasn't* a problem for the d-i install method that we used to have?
[14:02] <teward> if the answer to that question is "it was a problem there too" then you've got a bigger problem
[14:03] <teward> because that means *all* the server installers have suffered that problem
[14:03] <TJ-> teward: d-i was pretty good
[14:04] <TJ-> being able to return to the menu and choose which step you wanted to access for example; whereas with subiquity all there is is "Done" or "Back"
[14:05] <teward> that wasn't my question
[14:05] <TJ-> the fact there is no obvious way to get the partitioner to rescan (as opposed to d-is partman doing it endlessly
[14:05] <teward> TJ-: sounds like this needs a thread on the ML or such, or bug reports for new features on subiquity.  just my 2 cents
[14:06] <TJ-> yeah; i've posted 4 bug reports this morning


[11:19] <vista_killer> libc-bin after tha last update is broken breaks libc6 and libc-i386
[11:19] <vista_killer> my distro is kubuntu 11.10
[14:09] <jibel> mvo, libc6 segfault during upgrade on amd64. bug 863319
[14:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 863319 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashes mid-upgrade to oneiric (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/863319
[14:10] <mvo> jibel: hm, so it is a realworld bug :/
[14:11] <jibel> mvo, I asked the logs, lets see.
[14:23] <gema> jibel: do we have a way to reopen bugs if we verify them and they are still there?
[14:24] <gema> jibel: I mean, what is the right course of action in that case?
[14:46] <jibel> gema, members of bugcontrol or project members can reopen bugs. what is the bugnumber ?
[14:48] <gema> jibel, I saw someone asking before and was curious
[14:48] <gema> I don't have such a bug yet
[14:48] <gema> :)
[14:48] <gema> thanks
[20:50] <mvo> jibel: I think the amd64 crash is now fixed with the current u-m in the queue, fingers crossed


[01:44] <fabrizio_> is ardour 4 only program to use / make mixes ?
[01:44] <fabrizio_> am used to frastrackerII
[01:44] <fabrizio_> any idea for linux ?
[01:44] <fabrizio_> :)
[01:46] <fabrizio_> ah well goodnight
[05:00] <koodi> aaaaa..lmms
[05:00] <koodi> audacity?
[05:01] <koodi> forget about it, the person is gone