[18:05] <Shehrazad> Selam #ubuntu-tr!
[18:05] <f0und> Selam Shehrazad!
[18:19] <command> selam
[18:19] <command> f0und, bize selam yok mu zalim
[18:19] <f0und> command: Error: "bize" is not a valid command.
[18:19] <command> Selam
[18:19] <command> sallamıyor bizi f0und
[18:19] <command> lan amele f0und
[18:19] <command> f0und, amele
[18:19] <f0und> command: Error: "amele" is not a valid command.
[18:19] <command> büyük amale
[18:19] <command> atıma tap f0und
[18:19] <command> at_0pq, heil
[18:20] <at_0pq> command: heil panpa


[01:09] <jpastore> Can someone point me to documentation on enabling a second video card?
[12:57] <nessita> hello everyone
[12:57] <josvuk> Hi
[12:58] <josvuk> where is some documentation how ubuntu-desktop boots up I have to find out something which I would automate?
[12:58] <nessita> pitti: hey there, question: joshuahoover mentioned to me that the fix for bug #709494 (maverick patch) is good to go. Can I have the upload at https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9/+merge/57380 sponsored?
[12:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709494 in ubuntu-sso-client "[SRU] Missing user's name field" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709494
[13:08] <zyga> hi, could anyone point me to hints on how to use bzr builddeb with pristine-tar?
[15:20] <rickspencer3> hey all
[15:25] <mterry> rickspencer3, hi
[15:26] <rickspencer3> mterry, just me and you today?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[15:26] <mterry> maybe  :)
[15:40] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, I'm there too
[15:40] <rickspencer3> hi cyphermox!
[15:40] <cyphermox> hey
[15:40] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, getting nice feedback on the nm-applet as indicator?
[15:41] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, except some complaining on twitter the other day, yes
[15:41] <cyphermox> or more precisely, not in a timeframe where I could have done anything about it, more or less
[15:41] <rickspencer3> what was the complaint? and why did they use twitter?
[15:42] <cyphermox> it was that the menu was convoluted or something like that, let me look it up
[15:42] <cyphermox> as for twitter, I don't know. there were some positive responses to it too
[15:43] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, nm
[15:43] <rickspencer3> if they were using twitter they just wanted to say something, they weren't trying to help
[15:46] <cyphermox> right
[15:49] <cyphermox> mterry, any omgbroken things I can help with or is it mostly testing?
[15:50] <mterry> cyphermox, I've been doing a little testing, but also picking at some appmenu bugs that didn't make it for release
[15:50] <mterry> cyphermox, so nothing omg
[15:50] <cyphermox> ok
[15:50] <cyphermox> seems like things are rebuilding for now
[16:56] <kenvandine> nessita, i just noticed ubuntuone-control-panel doesn't have a depends or recommends for gir1.2-unity-3.0
[16:56] <kenvandine> nessita, is there a bug filed about that yet?
[17:12] <nessita> kenvandine: u1cp does not depend on that package, u1client recommends it to have unity integration
[17:12] <nessita> kenvandine: u1cp is supposed to work without that package, is not the case?
[17:33] <kenvandine> nessita, it work with it yes
[17:33] <kenvandine> but tested on a new install
[17:33] <kenvandine> it doesn't have that
[17:33] <kenvandine> so no unity progress bar
[17:34] <nessita> kenvandine: u1cp depends on u1client, which recommends the unity package
[17:34] <nessita> kenvandine: do you install recommends?
[17:34] <kenvandine> those should get installed in a new install
[17:34] <kenvandine> weird
[17:35] <kenvandine> just confirmed it is a recommends in u1-client
[17:36] <kenvandine> nessita, just checked the manifest file on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:36] <kenvandine> gir1.2-unity-3.0 isn't on it
[17:38] <nessita> is not in the CD? oh
[17:38] <nessita> is... complicated then
[17:39] <nessita> kenvandine: I'm not sure how to fix this :-/ (if there's a fix)
[17:39] <kenvandine> it is puzzling... i thought recommends made it on the CD :/
[17:44] <kenvandine> nessita, i am asking about it in #ubuntu-release
[17:48] <kenvandine> nessita, gir1.2-unity-3.0 (>= 3.8.4-0ubuntu3) is the recommends
[17:48] <kenvandine> 3.8.4-0ubuntu1 is what we have in the archive
[17:48] <kenvandine> dobey, ^^
[17:49] <dobey> hrmm
[17:50] <nessita> hm
[17:50] <dobey> doh
[17:50] <nessita> dobey: ?
[17:50] <kenvandine> updated version of recommends
[17:50] <kenvandine> without dropping the ubuntu rev :/
[17:51] <dobey> yeah, i thought i did. doh :(
[17:51] <kenvandine> dobey, can you do a SRU for that and make sure there is a release note for it?
[17:53] <dobey> sad
[17:58] <dobey> kenvandine: is there a bug for this?
[17:58] <kenvandine> dobey, i am filing it now :)
[18:00] <dobey> faster, i'm already at the (LP: # point in dch -i :)
[18:03] <kenvandine> dobey, just a sec, got distracted
[18:05] <kenvandine> dobey, bug 770379
[18:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 770379 in ubuntuone-client "Recommends wrong version of gir1.2-unity-3.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770379
[18:07] <dobey> now where to put it
[18:07]  * dobey really wants to put it on CD
[18:08] <dobey> but alas
[18:08] <dobey> guess i have to upload to -proposed
[18:09] <kenvandine> yeah, -proposed
[18:09] <kenvandine> dobey, make sure it gets noted in the release notes :(
[18:10] <dobey> i have no idea how to ensure that
[18:10]  * dobey pings someone who does
[18:12] <dobey> i wish dpkg would complain about that in lint on the source
[19:42] <hallyn> looking at gnome-terminal, I see where things like PopupOpenLink are added to the right-click popup menu.  Is there a way for me to add an entry of my own?
[19:42] <hallyn> (I want to be able to call a script on any number when preceded by '#')
[20:04] <Budd> Somehow, my ssh-agent carries a bunch of keys that I didn't explicitly add. Once I add three of my own, ssh logins fail due to too many key failures.
[20:05] <Budd> (because it's trying all the built-in keys first)
[20:05] <Budd> Also ssh-add -D only erases the keys I added; the mystery keys remain.
[20:06] <hallyn> (nm i'll go ahead and do a custom appindicator with the pythong bindings, even better)
[20:09] <evaluate> Hello.
[20:10] <evaluate> There is a pretty heavy bug in an application in natty that may be solved by a tiny patch. Is there a possibility to include such a patch before the final release or would it have to wait for after the release?
[20:11] <mainerror> heavy bug, tiny patch? Which bug is it?
[20:11] <evaluate> I am the upstream maintainer (in Debian) and I would do an upload to solve it there, I'm just afraid it might not make it in time for the final release of natty...
[20:11] <evaluate> It's bug #702316
[20:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702316 in libappindicator "Generic Libindicate fallback support breaks applications (such as clipit) on non-Unity WMs/DEs" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702316
[20:14] <evaluate> The bug can be solved by commenting/taking out line 569 in main.c
[20:18] <evaluate> Here's the 'patch': http://pastebin.com/n7veEAVv
[20:18] <evaluate> It would be really nice if this could be included before the final release.
[20:20] <AlanBell> what is the thing that does this boot splash image? http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/bootsplash.png
[20:20] <AlanBell> it is something before plymouth
[20:24] <bryceh> AlanBell, good question; grub maybe?
[20:25] <AlanBell> well it is on the CD and that doesn't use grub
[20:25] <AlanBell> isolinux perhaps
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti, do you plan to copy the remaining langpacks in the ubuntu-langpack PPA this week?
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> (hi btw) :)
[20:28] <AlanBell> syslinux package I think
[20:29] <nessita> pitti: hey there, question: joshuahoover mentioned to me that the fix for bug #709494 (maverick patch) is good to go. Can I have the upload at https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9/+merge/57380 sponsored?
[20:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709494 in ubuntu-sso-client "[SRU] Missing user's name field" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709494
[20:30] <tedg> mterry, Cimi__ is saying that appmenu-gtk needs to look for "eclipse" instead of "Eclipse"
[20:30] <tedg> mterry, Did the title-case check work for you?
[20:30] <mterry> tedg, yeah, it works for me.  Just retested it today, after someone commented in upstream bug report
[20:30] <mterry> tedg, how about you?
[20:31] <tedg> mterry, I don't have it installed, Cimi__ said it didn't work for him.
[20:31] <tedg> Let me install it.
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> hi mterry, tedg!
[20:31] <mterry> tedg, hrm
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> are you guys working today?
[20:31] <mterry> chrisccoulson, hi!  yeah
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> awww :(
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> i bet it's been quiet in here hasn't it?
[20:31] <tedg> chrisccoulson, Howdy, yes.  Not a holiday in the US.  It has been quiet (not complaining) ;-)
[20:32] <mterry> chrisccoulson, not so bad, doing my patch piloting and in a developer board meeting now.  (They *might* make it to my core-dev app, but unlikely)
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> well, all the best for that :)
[20:32] <chrisccoulson> i need to do more core-dev app at some point
[20:33] <tedg> Wow, eclipse is huge.
[20:33] <tedg> (with all the deps)
[20:33] <tedg> I'm actually not sure I have the disk space for this.
[20:34] <tedg> We'll see what happens.
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> tedg, i haven't really had much of a holiday here (if that makes you feel any better) ;)
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> i spent most of the day washing, polishing and waxing my car
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> and now my back is hurting ;)
[20:34] <stgraber> mterry: the idea is to extend the meeting to 2 hours if DMB members are still around so we can process the backlog
[20:35] <tedg> chrisccoulson, No, in fact it doesn't ;-)
[20:35] <mterry> stgraber, cool.  I'm in no rush and appreciate the board's efforts among chronic underattendence!
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> tedg, i didn't even drink any beer today
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> it feels like a wasted holiday
[20:38] <highvoltage> p/win 26
[20:58] <tedg> mterry, Eclipse hits the blacklist fine for me.  The menus are in the window...
[21:15] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson; you mean for lucid?
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> for natty
[21:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I killed the build as it was interrupted by my natty run
[21:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we don't have PPA langpacks for natty
[21:16] <DBO> ping RAOF
[21:16] <pitti> oh!
[21:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so that's where they ended up
[21:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I uploaded them to natty proper, yes
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ah, i see now.
[21:17] <mterry> tedg, yeah, so I don't know what the issue is...  is there a different way of running eclipse that fools the blacklist?  (ala emacs vs emacs23)
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, some were uploaded just a short while ago :)
[21:18] <tedg> mterry, Perhaps if you don't install from the package?
[21:19] <mterry> tedg, oh maybe...  I would have assumed it would be the same, but that is a good guess
[21:19] <tedg> mterry, I don't know really.
[21:19]  * mterry doesn't want to compile eclipse from source to find out
[21:19]  * mterry is core-dev now!   w000t!
[21:23] <tremolux> mterry: woo hoo!!  congrats!!
[21:25] <bryceh> mterry, awesome graz
[21:26] <pitti> night everyone


[01:35]  * LoyalWolf-AFK is away: sleeping, or out.
[15:14]  * LoyalWolf is back (gone 13:39:16)
[15:30] <dantalizing> morning
[15:48] <raubvogel> Hello there
[17:05] <maxolasersquad> facebook users: Like https://www.facebook.com/mediaswn or forever be ashamed.


[01:01] <d1gital> oh look, -discuss is still a ghost town
[01:03] <d1gital> well here's something to discuss:  apache released a security update, version 2.2.23 a month ago.  what's holding up the ubuntu package?  granted, it's not a huge security hole, but it IS a security hole, and it looks bad on an audit report.


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[01:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#3222 opened: fix typo <Created by snshn> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3222>


[00:28] <wxl> @kc2bez: pretty much everyone except for like base and server
[00:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T138: video manual] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T138#2810
[03:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL272b489a3506: Specify X as X11] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL272b489a3506
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 @kc2bez [kvantum works best if you don't stray too far from the built in themes. There ar …], +1
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 Sorry. I have been away for a while. I had exams for last 15 days.( I had almost become one among the dead) Now I am at home.(winter vacations) Will try to be more active and complete tasks at hand. Can't say I will be available all the time but will definitely reply (sooner or later) if pinged. Y'all are doing great work. @HM
[18:38] <wxl> OH now it's time for your developer application right XD
 *runs*
 @wxl [<wxl> OH now it's time for your developer application right XD], YES
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 @tsimonq2 [DO IT], +1
[19:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALc7c275f537f6: Add needed screenshot for upgrade manager] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALc7c275f537f6


[13:34] <robjo> smoser: blackboxsw So where do we stand with https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331149
[13:34] <robjo> From my point of view things become ever more confusing
[13:35] <robjo> if we agree on the format then I will carry the patch that we have in the SUSE package, I need to move forward on that front
[13:37] <smoser> robjo, sorry... we stand where i was in a sprint all last week and delinquent
[13:37] <robjo> if the patch cannot move forward for whatever reasons then so be it, given the current state I do not see how fiddling anymore with this patch set before committing makes any sense as we have comments upon comments upon changes and more comments, I've lost track of it all
[13:37] <smoser> i'll look and/or talk to chad today. oh. looks like chad just commented 11 minutes ago.
[13:37] <smoser>  i'll read some
[13:38] <robjo> thanks,
[13:42] <robjo> smoser: and I still cannot reproduce the bot failure locally :( worse yet I do not understand what the log is telling me
[13:52] <smoser> robjo, ok. i have one other thing i need to be looking at at the moment, but someone will get a look at it today
[13:52] <robjo> smoser: thanks
[15:30] <blackboxsw> robjo: I'm backing down on the patch suggestion, but I'll add some inline comments about some of the code in add zypper to reorder a bit of the required/defaulted  checks to avoid what feels like a bit of extra work.
[15:34] <blackboxsw> meh robjo you took the patch. sorry 'bout that. nits etc.
[15:35] <robjo> blackboxsw: took some of the changes yes, will look at the next set of comments
[15:36] <blackboxsw> I'm looking over the latest and it feels good. just CI complaints on testing. I'm giving it a thorough review now (not a mid-trevel review)
[15:36] <blackboxsw> mid-travel rather
[15:42] <ajorg> question: I thought if my boothook had output I'd see it on the console and in the cloud-init-output.log, but I don't. Is this expected behavior? (on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS)
[15:58] <smoser> ajorg, you should yes.
[15:58] <ajorg> hmm, will have to troubleshoot after the meeting then
[15:58] <ajorg> thanks
[16:02] <smoser> yikes.
[16:02] <smoser> meeting
[16:02] <smoser> blackboxsw, rharper
[16:03] <blackboxsw> oops I set wrong UTC time
[16:03] <ajorg> too early? :-)
[16:03] <blackboxsw> right should be now
[16:03] <smoser> htis is right.
[16:03] <smoser> yeah
[16:03] <blackboxsw> oops
[16:04] <smoser> is the but here, blackboxsw  ?
[16:04] <smoser> should that work ?
[16:05] <rharper> bah
[16:05] <rharper> here
[16:05] <rharper> bot
[16:05] <blackboxsw> yep it should
[16:05] <rharper> smoser: I see meetingology
[16:05] <smoser> #startmeeting cloud-init
[16:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  2 16:05:47 2017 UTC.  The chair is smoser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:05] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:06] <smoser> #topic Recent Changes / Highlights
[16:06] <smoser> hm..
[16:06] <smoser> 17.1 released https://lists.launchpad.net/cloud-init/msg00106.html
[16:06] <smoser> thats the biggest thing and only thing i have for this topic
[16:06] <blackboxsw> #link  https://lists.launchpad.net/cloud-init/msg00106.html
[16:06] <smoser> horay for a release, thanks to those who contributed.
[16:07] <rharper> \o/
[16:07] <smoser> 17.2 is set for 2017-12-14
[16:08] <smoser>  https://launchpad.net/cloud-init/+milestone/17.2
[16:08] <ajorg> yay!
[16:08] <smoser> feel free to target bugs to that release.
[16:08] <rharper> #link https://launchpad.net/cloud-init/+milestone/17.2
[16:08] <rharper> #info please target bugs to the next release
[16:09] <smoser> does that do anyting ?
[16:09] <rharper> in the meeting summary, it does
[16:09] <blackboxsw> smoser: the links showed up in meeting minutes last time
[16:09] <smoser> k. i always expected the bot to tell me that in a pm
[16:09] <blackboxsw> meetingology didn't echo though
[16:09] <rharper> well, smoser may have to do those
[16:09] <smoser> #topic In Progress Development / Highlights
[16:09] <blackboxsw> same. but something is up that needs attention.
[16:10] <blackboxsw> I'll properly handle it when publishing
[16:10] <rharper> cool
[16:11] <smoser> Merge Proposals
[16:11] <smoser> #link http://bit.ly/ci-reviews
[16:11] <smoser> there are some there for sure. i know that robjo has some he's interested in, and i think ajorg's instance-identity deserves a look
[16:12] <smoser> as well as simpletable for 17.2
[16:12] <ajorg> I'd be grateful for both, yes.
[16:12] <smoser> i am looking at the 'networkd' one which is a blocker as currently Ubuntu does not work properly on azure
[16:12] <blackboxsw> we should have more bandwidth this week
[16:12] <smoser> and all sysstemd-networkd systems will not work properly on CloudStack.
[16:12] <smoser> anything else there?
[16:13] <robjo> The task limit increase has been tested and solves our problem, thus merging would be great
[16:13] <smoser> robjo, yeah. athat does seem unlikely to cause issue
[16:13] <smoser> Trello Board
[16:13] <smoser> # https://trello.com/b/hFtWKUn3/daily-cloud-init-curtin
[16:13] <rharper> #link  ?
[16:13] <smoser> #link https://trello.com/b/hFtWKUn3/daily-cloud-init-curtin
[16:14] <robjo> https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/taskLimit that's the branch for the task limit
[16:15] <robjo> Sorry, I can never find the link for the open merge proposals :( problem exists between the keyboard and the chair
[16:16] <blackboxsw> will get eyes on that today robjo as your addZypper is about wrapped
[16:16] <smoser> Bugs
[16:16] <smoser> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init
[16:16] <smoser> just mostly pointers... above.
[16:16] <smoser> for Ubuntu in 16.04, there is one SRU in progress that blackboxsw and i need to verify today
[16:16] <smoser> and then we will be soon looking at doing an SRU of 17.1-ish
[16:17] <robjo> Thanks, still in europe, my day is about done, will pick it up tomorrow
[16:17] <smoser> robjo, link is in topic
[16:17] <smoser> http://bit.ly/ci-reviews
[16:17] <smoser> ok. so open discussion i guess. no w?
[16:17] <smoser> #topic Open Discussion / Office Hours
[16:17] <smoser> we'll hang around and pay attention to pings and discussion fro the next 30  minutes or so.
[16:18] <smoser> and after that, feel free to ping.
[16:19] <ajorg> I'm writing a unit test for a bugfix I'm preparing to submit. It works, but it's slow because readurl retries and waits a second each time
[16:20] <ajorg> I'm a bit of a mock / patch newb. Anyone can help me see how to patch that argument?
[16:20] <smoser> you can feel free to  mock readurl
[16:20] <smoser> and set its return_value and look at calls
[16:21] <smoser> then you dont have to httppretty.
[16:21] <ajorg> The only thing I want to change about it is the sleep though. Is there a straightforward way to just change one arg?
[16:21] <blackboxsw> tests/unittests/test_handler/test_handler_chef.py is an example and tests/unittests/test_datasource/test_maas.py
[16:21] <blackboxsw> I think
[16:21] <ajorg> Hmm, I could do that, yeah. Would be sufficient for this.
[16:22] <ajorg> I'd still like to know if there's an easy way to just change one argument to something that gets called somewhere else.
[16:22] <smoser> you could also mock the time.sleep from url_helper
[16:22] <ajorg> hahaha, yes. that's what I need to do.
[16:22] <rharper> ajorg: if you want to mock the sleep you can decorate the test_ method with @mock.patch(time.sleep)
[16:22] <smoser> we're suggesting other ways generally because there isn't :) at least that i know of.
[16:23] <ajorg> that's cool, patching time.sleep will do nicely
[16:24] <ajorg> is there an integration test that looks at what lands on the console?
[16:24] <ajorg> (going back to my question from before the meeting)
[16:25] <smoser> no. there coudl be on the nocloud-kvm backend
[16:25] <smoser> but i think there is no console access currently on lxd
[16:25] <smoser> and i think that we do not collect console access on nocloud-kvm
[16:25] <smoser> but as you suggest we should for sure
[16:25] <ajorg> k
[16:26] <ajorg> I wondered if systemd might be swallowing my output, or maybe python (boothook in this case is a python script) is making a strange choice when it sets up logging.
[16:27] <rharper> certainly possible;  I know there were issues with cloud-init starting before say rsyslog on non-systemd boots
[16:28] <rharper> and the python logging has changed w.r.t the default configuration;  cloud-init main sort of expects this transition as it starts up in init-local and it has not yet read the cloud-config for logging configuration yet, so it reads that and then does some replay
[16:28] <ajorg> interesting
[16:29] <smoser> ajorg, you're writing to stdout/err with logging from a boothook ?
[16:29] <ajorg> at least I would have thought cloud-init-output.log would contain my logs though, since it's more a redirect of stderr and stdout, right?
[16:29] <ajorg> yeah
[16:29] <rharper> correct
[16:29] <rharper> this is from a bootcmd ?
[16:29] <ajorg> no, #cloud-boothook
[16:29]  * rharper hasn't used boothook
[16:29] <smoser> hm..
[16:30] <ajorg> boothooks are super useful
[16:32] <rharper> smoser: when do boot_hooks run ?  local ?  net ?
[16:33] <rharper> I'm not sure yet where stdout/err for boot hooks occur, but you can dump each from the units via:  journalctl -u cloud-init-local.service   (or cloud-init.service)
[16:33] <blackboxsw> "This is the earliest hook available. Note, that there is no mechanism provided for running only once"
[16:34] <blackboxsw> I'm checking the code now (local/pre-local maybe)?
[16:34] <rharper> yeah, saw that;  it runs in-image scripts programs
[16:34] <ajorg> I did that too, and don't see anything.
[16:34] <ajorg> (journalctl)
[16:34] <rharper> you should see some output
[16:34] <rharper> but not seeing your hook in there ?
[16:34] <ajorg> I can tell by other means that the hook ran
[16:34] <ajorg> just don't see that it printed anything
[16:35] <ajorg> my prime suspect if systemd can't do something bad here is that python makes some decision about not actually logging.
[16:35] <ajorg> and I need to be more explicit that it should log
[16:36] <rharper> so, the boot_hook will sub out each part, I see no capture on the stderr/stdout ; so I would expect those to go to whatever is currently capturing those;
[16:37] <rharper> s/sub/subprocess
[16:38] <ajorg> yup, that's what I expect too, and what I recall seeing on Amazon Linux
[16:38] <rharper> since it's using cloud-init's util.subp, there *should* be a debug level message saying 'Running command %s with allowed return codes %s' which maches a path to the boothook
[16:38] <rharper> I would expect to see that in the cloud-init.log
[16:39] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25661692/
[16:39] <ajorg> yup, I do see that
[16:39] <rharper> the output of script, I *think* should go to cloud-init-output.log
[16:39] <smoser> i'm testing ^ on serverstack now.
[16:39] <smoser> i verified the commands run on lxd but not look at console there.
[16:39] <ajorg> thanks
[16:40] <smoser> actually.. yeah, BOOTHOOK does run, but doesnt seem to have stdout tied to same place as bootcmd
[16:41] <ajorg> oh?
[16:41] <ajorg> I'm slightly surprised it's not just me
[16:42] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25661714/
[16:42] <rharper> it really should be in the journal/console if stdout is not redirected to a file, cloud-init-local service
[16:43] <smoser> that reproduces in lxc
[16:44] <rharper> smoser: in your  instance on serverstack, do you see your BOOTHOOK in journalctl -b -u cloud-init-local.service ?
[16:44] <smoser> ajorg, please go ahead and open a bug.
[16:44] <ajorg> cool (not cool :-P)
[16:44] <ajorg> will do
[16:44] <smoser> # journalctl -b -u cloud-init.service | grep BOOT
[16:44] <smoser> Oct 02 16:37:41 a5 cloud-init[121]: BOOTCMD: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 16:37:41 +0000: a5
[16:44] <smoser> ^ that is from lxd
[16:45] <rharper> and what about the welcome message from cloud-init ?
[16:45] <smoser> i think not.
[16:45] <rharper> bootcmd does:  util.subp(cmd, env=env, capture=False) ; where boot_hook does: util.subp([filepath], env=env)
[16:46] <smoser> yeah, so boot_hook definitely swallowed. and should not be.
[16:47] <rharper> yeah
[16:49] <ajorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1720841
[16:50] <ajorg> Meanwhile I need to setup more explicit logging from that boothook anyway, so I'm okay.
[16:51] <blackboxsw> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1720841
[16:55] <ajorg> Here's another one, which I've confirmed with a unit test and proposed a patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1720844
[16:55] <ajorg> (what is this #link thing you're doing there?)
[16:55] <smoser> well, the bot is supposed to care and do somethign with it.
[16:56] <smoser> but /me thinks it doesnt work right :)
[16:56] <blackboxsw> ajorg: since meetingology is still active, the theory is it is keeping track of links  during this meeting
[16:56] <smoser> (during the meeting)
[16:56] <ajorg> ah, okay
[16:57] <ajorg> I think simpletable is completely ready to merge, btw. Any objections? https://code.launchpad.net/~ajorgens/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330525
[16:57] <blackboxsw> The theory is it writes the meeting notes out for us so we can publish to https://cloud-init.github.io
[16:57] <ajorg> #link https://code.launchpad.net/~ajorgens/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330525 ;-)
[16:57] <blackboxsw> geg
[16:57] <blackboxsw> heh
[16:58] <blackboxsw> ajorg: I think we were good on that changeset, and we only wanted to wait post 17.1 cut to avoid potential regression
[16:59] <ajorg> great
[16:59] <blackboxsw> I'm +1 on that will give it a spin today and then I think we can land it
[17:01] <smoser> blackboxsw, ajorg my thoughts on the simpletable...
[17:01] <ajorg> here it comes...
[17:01] <ajorg> :-P
[17:01] <blackboxsw> :)
[17:02] <smoser> i would like to have a machine friendly output available
[17:02] <smoser> human friendly is good, but machine friendly solves the actual goal of writing the stuff.
[17:02] <ajorg> So I modified it to display *exactly* as prettytable did
[17:02] <smoser> oh really.
[17:02] <smoser> wow
[17:02] <ajorg> which is admittedly not machine friendly
[17:02] <ajorg> not especially
[17:02] <smoser> then i guess i can't object at all.
[17:02] <ajorg> but it's at least as good as prettytable
[17:03] <smoser> in that its backwards compat
[17:03] <smoser> right.
[17:03] <ajorg> ^ this was my goal, to get you to not object
[17:03] <smoser> i still think we should probaly additionally write some machine friendly json
[17:03] <ajorg> agreed, that would be better
[17:03] <smoser> i tihnk having something human friendly is good though
[17:03] <smoser> as i know *I* look at that output
[17:04] <ajorg> it meets my goal of not depending on prettytable
[17:04] <smoser> and parsing json would be less nice
[17:04] <smoser> yeah
[17:05] <smoser> so based on your assertion that it outputs the same as pretty table, i have no objections. only future hopes.
[17:05] <smoser> and i do agree dropping pretty table is nice
[17:05] <ajorg> winning
[17:06] <blackboxsw> smoser: yeah I was wondering how we generally expect people/machines to parse cloud-init-output.log. Right now it's kindof hard to do machine parsing of cloud-init-output.log.
[17:07] <smoser> blackboxsw, yeah. cloud-init-output.log is not intended to be machine friendly.
[17:07] <blackboxsw> do we know already of non-human consumers of the formatting in cloud-init.output.log?
[17:07] <smoser> but the console actually has value in having machien friendly things on it.
[17:08] <smoser> my feeling is if you have access to /var/log/cloud-init.log, then you could very easily have written whatever you wanted to another file that was purely machine friendly.
[17:08] <blackboxsw> was wondering where we would intend to dump machine-friendly json
[17:08] <blackboxsw> yeah
[17:08] <smoser> but the console (/dev/ttyS0) boot log is different
[17:08] <smoser> in that it can give you a couple things you'd not find easy access to
[17:09] <smoser> a.) ssh public keys for the system (providing out of band communication of this data)
[17:09] <smoser> b.) network configuration info: providn useful bits of data on how you might get to this system
[17:10] <smoser> systemd makes it "fun" to get that data to the console in a safe way
[17:12] <ajorg> ugh yes. systemd like to stomp all over your consoles.
[17:19] <blackboxsw> ok so did we want to iterate on simpletable to dump json, or just look for cloud-init to write supplementary json files under /run/cloud-init
[17:20] <blackboxsw> .. after we land ajorg's branch
[17:21] <ajorg> I think it's a good idea to dump json fragments to console for some things, but I suspect smoser will still not want to break anyone who might be using the tables, so probably best to land my branch as-is
[17:23] <smoser> yeah, i agree with ajorg. for now, we can just take a replacement that drops prettytable
[17:23] <smoser> there are improvments to be done there, but this is a simple win
[17:29] <smoser> we'll go ahead and end meeting here.
[17:29] <smoser> i'll still be around. thanks all!
[17:29] <smoser> #endmeeting
[17:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  2 17:29:26 2017 UTC.
[17:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/cloud-init/2017/cloud-init.2017-10-02-16.05.moin.txt
[17:29] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331664
[17:29] <smoser> would appreciate input there.
[17:30] <blackboxsw> looks like links got handled by meetingology, not infos. ok will fix that for next meeting
[18:27] <smoser> blackboxsw, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25662210/
[18:27] <smoser> that was my "mark-released" that i used for cloud-init
[18:28] <smoser> powersj, ^. mentioned we'd want to put that somewhere and then can improve on it for other things too
[18:28] <smoser> mainly i'm using pastebin and irc logs as a persistent storage system right now
[18:29] <powersj> smoser: thx
[18:37] <blackboxsw> smoser: powersj pushing it to qa-scripts
[18:37] <blackboxsw> on the review too
[18:58] <blackboxsw> ajorg: landed simpletable
[19:01] <ajorg> \o/
[19:01] <ajorg> thank you
[19:09] <blackboxsw> robjo, sorry I forgot to hit approve button w/ final comments https://code.launchpad.net/~rjschwei/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331149
[19:10] <blackboxsw> smoser: powersj rharper time/date check on next cloud-init meeting in topic
[19:10] <smoser> k
[19:10] <blackboxsw> so I don't mess that up again
[19:11] <rharper> % date --utc -d "2 weeks"
[19:11] <rharper> Mon Oct 16 19:11:22 UTC 2017
[19:12] <blackboxsw> :) just checking that we weren't all up to something else (trips/early Halloween etc.)
[19:12] <powersj> I think we are good
[19:12] <rharper> lol
[19:12] <rharper> should be fine
[19:14] <smoser> blackboxsw,
[19:14] <smoser> $ python3 -c 'from cloudinit.simpletable import SimpleTable'
[19:14] <smoser> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:14] <smoser>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
[19:15] <smoser> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'cloudinit.simpletable'
[19:15] <smoser> i think somehow you didn't get the simpletable.py file added
[19:15] <blackboxsw> bah, merge fail. grabbing it
[19:17] <blackboxsw> pushed
[19:18] <blackboxsw> going fresh checkout again to be sure
[19:21] <blackboxsw> tox passes clean master
[19:22] <blackboxsw> starting off the week right
[19:22] <smoser> powersj, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331670
[19:23] <smoser> if you review that i'll get the other branches
[19:23] <smoser> by 'get', i mean i'll just commit to the ubuntu packaging branches.
[19:37] <blackboxsw> smoser: approved w/ nits https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/curtin/trunk.doc-interface/+merge/331608
[19:38] <blackboxsw> wrong channel
[19:40] <powersj> CI isn't happy at the moment... ERROR: Failure: ImportError (No module named simpletable)
[19:40] <powersj> smoser: looking
[19:40] <powersj> +1
[19:46] <blackboxsw> powersj: just pushed a fix
[19:46] <blackboxsw> b3acdff390329c8091b880b490e1f27441a7a486
[19:47] <blackboxsw> I had missed it when merging ajorg's branch
[19:47] <blackboxsw> I forgot to 'git add' the new files
[19:47] <ajorg> oh?
[19:48] <smoser> blackboxsw, did you say you did https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331664
[19:48] <smoser> i dont see a comment
[19:49] <blackboxsw> sorry ajorg, I shouldn't have hilighted you. it was PEBKAC on my merge of your branch
[19:49] <blackboxsw> all good now
[19:49] <ajorg> blackboxsw: did I prepare that MP in some wrong way that lead to the mistake?
[19:49] <blackboxsw> nope, all my fault
[19:49] <blackboxsw> won't happen next merge
[19:49] <ajorg> k
[19:50] <ajorg> no judgement
[19:50] <blackboxsw> <- the judgement is all in this guy's head
[19:50] <blackboxsw> smoser: I hadn't yet commenting now, wrapped up your curtin branch and robjo's, now the dhcp
[20:07] <blackboxsw> only comment I have so far smoser is that the sort order should be reversed I think for systemd's/leases directory (isn't higher # more recent? )
[21:13] <blackboxsw> testing meetingology for a sec
[21:14] <blackboxsw> #startmeeting Test captured commands
[21:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  2 21:14:28 2017 UTC.  The chair is blackboxsw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:14] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #commands
[21:15] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #info test info
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #link test link
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #nick test nick
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #idea test idea
[21:15] <blackboxsw> #meetingtopic topic change doesn't work
[21:16] <blackboxsw> #topic do topics work?
[21:16] <sedition> lol
[21:16] <blackboxsw> #action sedition joins in on the fun (but actions don't work)
[21:16] <meetingology> ACTION: sedition joins in on the fun (but actions don't work)
[21:16] <blackboxsw> ahh thank you meetingology
[21:17] <blackboxsw> #idea I think only circle of friends commands work here
[21:17] <blackboxsw> guess not
[21:17] <blackboxsw> #subtopic sub topic doesn't work
[21:17] <blackboxsw> #endmeeting
[21:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  2 21:17:34 2017 UTC.
[21:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/cloud-init/2017/cloud-init.2017-10-02-21.14.moin.txt
[21:17] <blackboxsw> this concludes our broken broadcast. I'm hitting up #meetingology to see what gives
[21:18] <sedition> what an interesting concept
[21:18] <blackboxsw> looks like action, idea, subtopic work
[21:18] <blackboxsw> :)
[21:18] <sedition> i dont think ive ever seen a meeting minutes bot
[21:19] <blackboxsw> heh, it's supposed to make meeting minutes publishing easier... per commands listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[21:22] <blackboxsw> ok looks like most of those commands were properly handled
[21:23] <blackboxsw> just that meetingology doesn't repeat (it's silent)
[21:23] <blackboxsw> ok I think we are good then.
[21:34] <smoser> blackboxsw,  https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331664 updated
[21:35] <smoser> i can hp back in later tonight and upload that or address further feedback
[21:49] <blackboxsw> smoser: looks good on the changeset.
[21:49] <blackboxsw> I'll approve and give it a whirl on on upgrade azure
[21:49] <blackboxsw> upgraded
[21:52] <blackboxsw> && lxd
[22:01] <powersj> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331678 (if you have time)
[22:03] <blackboxsw> should be able to get that today
[22:03] <blackboxsw> straight forward fix


[12:05] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: this is the first one ,so I begain with 10
[12:05] <Riddell> I'd just start at 01
[12:05] <Riddell> actually I'd start at kubuntu_01
[12:05] <Riddell> so as to make it clear it didn't come from debian
[12:05] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: ok, i'd correct it
[12:06] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: no need, I can just change that, otherwise all good, I'll upload
[12:06] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I hope the guy in debian may accept this
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: r u also a debian DD?
[12:08] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: no I'm not
[12:08] <Riddell> would like to be but no time
[12:08] <freeflying-ibook> hehe
[12:09] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: after you upload skim , I can work on some engine of scim ,for skim's support
[12:10] <Riddell> just compiling skim before uploading
[12:20] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: skim uploaded, I left your name in the changelog so let me know if you get an e-mail
[12:20] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: u got mail about skim ?
[12:21] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: I got a dapper-changes e-mail, haven't got any ACCEPTED e-mail yet though
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: lucky,not bug report
[12:23] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: thx so much for your sponsor
[12:24] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: scim-chewing looks like it builds?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/scim-chewing/0.2.1-2build1
[12:26] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: I've failed to build in chroot and pbuilder
[12:26] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: and the build log is at 2005-12-23
[12:27] <Riddell> building..
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: yep, your fix corrects that
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: uploading, version number changed to ubuntu1 not build2
[12:34] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: :)
[12:38] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: if you have time now ,plz review the quarry package on revu
[12:42] <Riddell> ok
[01:31] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: a few issues http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2070
[02:44] <allee> jpatrick ?
[07:07] <Tm_T> morning
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T
[07:10] <Tm_T> this is ugly
[07:10] <Hobbsee> pity there's no repo version
[07:10] <Tm_T> check again
[07:11] <Hobbsee> indeed, very nice
[07:12] <Tm_T> :)
[07:17] <seth> yakuake? It's been in Dapper for monhts
[07:17] <seth> months
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh, ok then
[07:35] <Tm_T> I don't understand all the fuss around it, it's nothing spectacular or even special
[07:35] <Tm_T> just terminal with ugly default style
[07:49] <robotgeek> Tm_T: do you know if Kopete in dapper has Jabber Jingle support
[07:51] <Mez> Tm_T, lol - but it's a highly useful application
[07:51] <Mez> I'd put it on the same par as I would katapult
[07:52] <Mez> and I'm the katapult project leader
[07:52] <Mez> or do you think the same about katapult too ?
[07:52] <robotgeek> Mez: is katapult just a laucher or aimed at quicksilver?
[07:53] <Mez> robotgeek, at the moment a launcher - but if we find quicksilver features we like - we'll incorporate them
[07:53] <Mez> why - what's it missing you'd like ?
[07:54] <robotgeek> Mez: hmm, amarok playlist navigation maybe. or konqueror bookmarks (i think this is possible already, i just don't know how)
[07:54] <Mez> konq bookmarks = there
[07:54] <Mez> amarok playlist "navigation" ?
[07:54] <Mez> you can make it play a track in amarok
[07:56] <robotgeek> Mez: quicksilver had some itunes track/playlist stuff. it's been ver a year since i saw OS X, so i am not sure of it exactly
[07:57] <robotgeek> also the ability to actually select a file and upload it to a webserver , in a gui without touching the mouse was just awesome :)
[08:00] <Mez> yeah but that'd also need some neat integration with konq
[08:00] <Mez> and well...
[08:00] <Mez> at the moment ..
[08:00] <Mez> it works in Gnome too ...
[08:00] <Mez> but ... hmm ...
[08:00] <Mez> I gues that could be something
[08:00] <Mez> seeing as it's in Gnome now
[08:02] <robotgeek> nice, well lets see how it goes :)
[08:02] <robotgeek> anyways, i am off to bed!
[08:16] <Tm_T> Mez: not more useful than any terminal
[08:17] <Tm_T> robotgeek_zzz: no it doesn't have, jingle support need packages that are not in dapper
[08:17] <Mez> Tm_T, were you on about yakuake or katapult then
[08:17] <Mez> Tm_T, It is just a terminal
[08:17] <Mez> but it has a hot key
[08:17] <Mez> so it's there for the simple tasks
[08:24] <Hobbsee> what's up mornfall|work?
[08:24] <mornfall|work> nothing, just bouncing
[08:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:27] <seaLne> too much coffee?
[08:28] <mornfall|work> nah
[08:28] <mornfall|work> no coffee yet
[08:28] <mornfall|work> anyhow i got un-bounced by frozen Xorg
[08:28] <mornfall|work> i need to update it to something that does not crash every hour
[09:11] <cmvo> mornfall|work: Hi! Which video card to you use? Radeon?
[09:12] <mornfall|work> nv driver
[09:13] <cmvo> Ok, I've got problems with the radeon drm kernel module. As I don't need 3D commeting out dri in xorg.conf helped.
[09:24] <Hobbsee> anyone here who uses msn?
[09:24] <mornfall|work> possibly
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: from Kopete?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes
[09:24] <mornfall|work> too bad, 09:24 <@root> ivanadanill<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(MSN)             Online
[09:24] <Lure> Hobbsee: you have problems with it?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: testing out a bug with the auto-away plugin - it seems to bounce out of the away, after teh screen is locked
[09:26] <Hobbsee> i have a fix for it, and it seems to work from what i see here
[09:28] <Lure> I do not use lock screen much due to bug with password not being accepted :-(
[09:28] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:28] <Hobbsee> well, it's more to test if i lock the screen - if it shows correctly for you
[09:28] <Hobbsee> *adds contact*
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Lure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/19661 is the bug
[09:30] <Lure> OK, how can I help testing?
[09:32] <Hobbsee> well, the scenario in the past is that it stays idle when the screensaver is locked on the system, yet comes back as online a few seconds later, even while the screen is still locked
[09:32] <Hobbsee> so, ie, tell me if i go idle, and stay idle until i message to say that i'm back, and that teh screen is unlocked
[09:33] <Lure> You use gmail account for your MSN id?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> Lure: no
[09:34] <Lure> you are online.
[09:52] <Tonio_> hey
[09:53] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[09:56] <Lure> hi Tonio_
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ack.  no easy way to remove multiple packages by dpkg -r
[09:56] <Lure> why not using apt-get remove?
[09:59] <Mez> apt-get remove --purge *ubuntu*
[09:59] <Mez> :-"
[10:01] <Hobbsee> because that means i have to specify all the packages individually
[10:01] <Hobbsee> LOL @ Mez
[10:02] <Mez> Hobbsee, apt-get allows wildcards
[10:03] <Mez> how about
[10:03] <Mez> ls *.deb | cat | cut -f1 -d_ | xargs apt-get remove
[10:03] <Hobbsee> which version is kpdf on all your systems?
[10:03] <Mez>       kpdf | 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[10:03] <Mez> kdegraphics | 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[10:03] <Hobbsee> ok, good
[10:04] <Mez> Hobbsee, you gotta love my way of doing it though eh ?
[10:04] <Hobbsee> if i understood it, yeah
[10:04] <Mez> lol
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ok, it looks like it's back to normal now :)
[10:05] <Mez> well it says "take all the deb files in this directory and list the filenames" "now make them so they have one filename per line" "now - just output everything in the filenames before the _" "now pass those names as arguments to apt-get remove
[10:05] <Mez> .debs are packge_version
[10:05] <Mez> so the _ thing works well
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[10:47] <seaLne> is knewsticker supposed to appear in kontact?
[11:30] <ubijtsa2> *yawn*
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> Hobbsee: ta :)
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> want me to poke back?
[11:42] <ubijtsa2> *grin*
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hehe - you'll bruise me!
[11:43] <ubijtsa2> *lol*
[12:17] <Riddell> seaLne: it's not yet updated daily by cron, but will be in the next version
[12:17] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[12:17] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee
[12:18] <Hobbsee> heh - weird form of morning at 10pm
[12:18] <Hobbsee> now...what did i have to tell you....
[12:18] <Riddell> seaLne: I believe there's a knewsticker plugin for kontact, but you have to turn it on
[12:18] <seaLne> Riddell: oops :)
[12:18] <seaLne> Riddell: next version of? dapper+1 or adept or ...
[12:19] <Riddell> seaLne: next adept upload
[12:19] <Riddell> seaLne: so that entry should really be Fix Committed, then when it's uploaded Fix Released
[12:19] <Riddell> (although that's like hassle and stuff)
[12:20] <hunger> Riddell: It's launchpad;-) that's synonymous for hassle and stuff;-)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> this is more dangerous than going clothes shopping!
[12:21] <seaLne> Hobbsee: i do that all the time but am too indecisive to actually buy anything, been meaning to buy a new hard disk for about 6 months
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:22] <hunger> Hobbsee: Yeap... considered getting a 19" rack the last time I was careless enough to reed such a catalog;-)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> this tech shop seems most surprised to find a *girl* walking in there!
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehehe!
[12:22] <seaLne> maybe you need to go in disguise
[12:22] <Hobbsee> mind you, have to go down there anywya, if they managed to ship my blasted battery to the actual shop
[12:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:22] <Hobbsee> i dont think that'd be possible...
[12:22] <Hobbsee> it's kinda hard for me to dress up as a guy, you know :P
[12:23] <hunger> What? Girls in techshops? That might make it onto slashdot;-)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:23] <Hobbsee> sure, especially when they do things like ask where a wireless card is made, as they use linux, and they're made with different chipsets...
[12:23] <hunger> Hobbsee: Oh, the fun...
[12:24] <hunger> Hobbsee: my wife does not do that to tech people and she already confuses the heck out of them when she needs something fixed and knows what actually is broken.
[12:25] <hunger> Hobbsee: And she already disguised that fact by calling our switch "that network thingy";-)
[12:25] <Tonio_> other problems with the ksplash theme
[12:26] <Tonio_> doesn't support utf8, nor translations
[12:26] <Tonio_> always english.......
[12:27] <hunger> Tonio_: Oh nice!
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:28] <seaLne> anyone having problems with k3b hanging?
[12:29] <Tonio_> not as nice, but works fine
[12:30] <hunger> Tonio_: That would get rid of one more pakage that needs maintaining for 5 years! (or is that for server stuff only?)
[12:31] <hunger> Actually with all the ubuntu-people trying to reduce main I was surprised that it keapt growing anyway:-(
[12:32] <Tonio_> hunger: possible, dunno....
[01:31] <Riddell> amu_: nice how KDE/Kubuntu has 3 tables compared to gnome's 2 :)  http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2006/live/plan.html
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe nice
[01:42] <amu_> maybe 2% of all Linuxusers in Germany use the Gnome Desktop, 2 tables are too much for them :D
[01:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you don't need to assign bugs to Kubuntu Beasties as Kubuntu Team should get automatically subscribed to any KDE bugs by default
[01:43] <Hobbsee> oh
[01:43] <Riddell> also I'm not sure what the Kubuntu Beasties group is anyway
[01:43] <Hobbsee> dont know, but that's where i grabbed the old bug list off that i was fixing from...
[01:43] <Riddell> ooh, GNU/Linux User and Developer wants to put amu's live CD as their cover CD :)
[01:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure you didn't get it from kubuntu-team not kubuntu-devel?
[01:44] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel should be deleted
[01:44] <amu_> Riddell: Kubuntu Beasties group?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> um....i dont remember
[01:44] <Hobbsee> i think i looked up one of the groups, and saw the bugs assigned to them
[01:44] <Hobbsee> does seem a bit weird that we have two groups though, and still some that are unassigned
[01:45] <Riddell> amu_: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-devel  given the name I suppose I must have made it at some point but it's redundant
[01:47] <freeflying> Riddell: what's the meaning of "Beasties'
[01:48] <Riddell> freeflying: Scots for insect ("bugs" is American English for insect)
[01:48] <amu_> Riddell: :D another step into world domination *g*
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: why call Kubuntu-Beasties  :)
[01:50] <Riddell> freeflying: no idea, I have no memory of creating the group so I must have been sleep walking at the time or something :)
[01:50] <Riddell> and teams in launchpad can't be deleted or merged
[01:50] <freeflying> hmmm
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: change it yourself and it will be :)
[01:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: change wiki page, e-mail fridge-devel, send announcement to kubuntu-devel list
[01:51] <Hobbsee> okay
[01:52] <amu_> Riddell: i've still problems using launchpad, cause it isnt free software
[01:54] <freeflying> amu_: seems u can use it freely , hmmm
[01:54] <Riddell> amu_: most people do
[01:54] <Riddell> amu_: lots of questions about that to jdub at FOSDEM
[01:55] <amu_> freeflying: sure, thatC different
[01:56] <freeflying> amu_: I see, but that is the fact it is now
[01:56] <amu_> Riddell: i imagine, there will be much more in feature.
[01:58] <amu_> freeflying: maybe i'm too radical, it can be, software should be free, if not dont use it. If noone use it, it will die.
[02:00] <freeflying> amu_: I totally agree with u , and also I hope one day , people in our country can do like u , then linux will have a splendid future
[02:00] <amu_> if the software isnt free, you cannot do things like the great KDE Desktop, LiveCD ....
[02:03] <amu_> freeflying: correct, it's just a question of lobbing the responsable people, sending news about great, new ideas, share your ideas with others, free software is so flexible, you can do great things, its just a question of time when we own those vampires :)
[02:04] <amu_> freeflying: btw. you're happy with your livecd, i didnt got any feedback from y
[02:05] <freeflying> amu_: I just want to tell u , i wanna it can support chinese , but it dosen't
[02:07] <amu_> freeflying: hmm, what is the problem? Is it possible to add this CD to an chinese linuxmagazine? that billion other know/lern about KDE/Kubuntu ?
[02:08] <freeflying> amu_: but it can not support chines ,no chinese input method , no chinese fonts, how can people in our country use it ?
[02:09] <freeflying> amu_: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=241350
[02:10] <amu_> freeflying: if i invest some more time and get your help, that should be possible
[02:10] <freeflying> amu_: I'd like to
[02:11] <freeflying> amu_: what shall I do for you then , I hope we can have a better chinese support livecd with kde+koffice
[02:14] <amu_> freeflying: saw the page but have huge trouble to read it :)
[02:15] <freeflying> amu_: Im looking for test , but it haven't chinese support
[02:16] <amu_> freeflying: let start it like this, i'll configure it by hand that it will start only in chinese
[02:16] <freeflying> amu_: need I do what ?
[02:16] <amu_> what do you mean with haven't chinese  support ? it starts in german?
[02:17] <amu_> or in english?
[02:17] <freeflying> amu_: no chinese fonts, so people can not read anything in chinese
[02:18] <amu_> ok, can be i probably forgot the chinese fonts
[02:18] <amu_> are you familar with packaging debs?
[02:18] <freeflying> amu_: so lets make it better in dapper's livecd
[02:18] <freeflying> amu_: I have package some
[02:20] <amu_> freeflying: the liveCD is fine and works, for enduser it doesnt matter if they use dapper hoary warty brezzy whatever
[02:21] <freeflying> amu_: I hope we can provide one based upon dapper , with koffice
[02:22] <amu_> freeflying: i use the stable breezy with a huge success, if you need now something i can help you
[02:23] <amu_> freeflying: fantastic, could you add all needed packages in 1 metapackage?
[02:23] <freeflying> amu_: the structure of dapper livecd has big deiffernce from breezy
[02:24] <freeflying> amu_: ok
[02:24] <amu_> freeflying: and it's still beta, untested :) probably 6-7 month later if a lot of people use it, you know the special problems
[02:25] <amu_> all my cd, for magazine, usersgroups are basded on breezy it just works
[02:25] <freeflying> amu_: how do you do these thing , manually or using scripts?
[02:27] <amu_> thats the magic, i'm sure dapper is good, rule no.1 is, no experiments :) you loose 100% people who boots the CD ex. if your browser crases
[02:27] <amu_> by scripts
[02:28] <amu_> freeflying: as i remember i installed the kde-lang packages for chinese support, what you do now if install everything in addition to get a complete KDE Desktop in Chinese lang
[02:29] <amu_> note down, what you extra installed in order it looks like it has to be, DOCUMENT this process
[02:30] <amu_> build a set of needed packages, a meta pack, OR let me know those additional packages and i do it for myself
[02:30] <freeflying> amu_: u just need add the chinese font and input method
[02:30] <freeflying> amu_: in dapper , I just need some configure for the fontconfig
[02:31] <freeflying> and install input method's module , everything is ok
[02:31] <amu_> freeflying: ok, our deal is this, contact a linuxmagazine. or computer magazine and offer them a "special kubuntu CD" for free
[02:31] <freeflying> amu_: I can do it , but how can I get those CD
[02:32] <amu_> freeflying: gimme some days
[02:32] <amu_> days = i've to work in my job, doing it in my free time :)
[02:33] <amu_> freeflying: cool, so you offer then a cool kubuntu CD which is based on the rocking KDE Desktop, sounds good, if they release it please send me a copy of the magazine
[02:35] <freeflying> amu_: sure ,but we'd provide them all CDs
[02:35] <freeflying> amu_: hmmm
[02:36] <amu_> freeflying: ? here it's normal, magazines give away their CD's for free
[02:37] <amu_> freeflying: they are so thankfull if someone do THEIR job building images
[02:37] <amu_> s/someone/someone other
[02:37] <freeflying> amu_: If we want magazine ship with CD, we'd provide them all CDs
[02:38] <freeflying> amu_: so , we may ask for sponsonr from canonical ,  :)
[02:38] <amu_> freeflying: i c, in Europe it's different, there are sooo many of magazines, its difficult to find a magazine without CD :)
[02:39] <freeflying> amu_: ya, it's quite diffenrent from you
[02:39] <amu_> freeflying: thats your part asking canonical :)
[02:40] <freeflying> amu_: maybe it's Riddell's lol
[02:41] <amu_> ok, your task get now my highest priority
[02:42] <amu_> there's nothing which is more important, building a CD for billions of users
[02:42] <amu_> sending them our KDE love
[02:43] <freeflying> amu_: yep
[02:43] <amu_> freeflying: maybe a good time for asking, i'm not sure if M.S. is still in Asia?
[02:43] <freeflying> amu_: mark shall be back
[02:45] <amu_> freeflying: it's better ask for a such a thing now, than later :) explain him you wanna send a special Kubuntu to billions, please send me your cheque
[02:45] <amu_> :D
[02:45] <freeflying> amu_: lol
[02:46] <amu_> just joking, just eplain him what you want to do and what you need.
[02:46] <Riddell> Mark is back in London
[02:46] <freeflying> I've writen him about the advacation of ubuntu in china ,but still no reply now
[02:47] <freeflying> Riddell: I'd ask you for cheque firstly   hmmm:)
[02:47] <amu_> freeflying: forward it to Riddell :) and btw. dont tell jdub about your idea :)
[02:48] <freeflying> amu_: who is jdub
[02:48] <freeflying> Riddell: need forward it u ?
[02:48] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm not sure what I can do
[02:49] <amu_> freeflying: one of the important people using this ugly brown desktop :)
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: you can recommend us to mark  :)
[02:51] <Riddell> "please reply to freeflying's e-mail" :)
[02:51] <freeflying> lol
[02:52] <amu_> freeflying: the best solution is, if you poke Riddell about his private secret telefonnumber ;)
[02:53] <freeflying> amu_: then u may do it  :)
[02:54] <amu_> Riddell: do you know is there a Xgl ready2run soluion for dapper atm?
[02:54] <hunger> Xgl is no ready2run solution.
[02:54] <amu_> freeflying: hehe, i guess he cant remember me
[02:55] <Riddell> amu_: there are testing packages for gnome, kde ones are empty though
[02:55] <amu_> hunger: i saw on the susedesktop it works [tm]
[02:56] <freeflying> Riddell: I think kubuntu shall use beagle as our indexing-search
[02:56] <amu_> Riddell: another possibility is i reband suse desktop and tell poeple thats the new kubuntu desktop :)
[02:56] <amu_> s/reband/rebrand
[02:56] <hunger> amu_: The guy that presented it at fosdem said it is a research project only.
[02:57] <hunger> amu_: The cool part is compiz anyway;-)
[02:59] <amu_> hunger: ic, so better it's i change the suse wallpapers/splases with ours :)
[02:59] <amu_> anyway i've to work now ... cheers
[03:01] <Riddell> amu_: even the suse using KDE people will have to run it with gnome window manager for Xgl demo
[03:02] <hunger> Riddell: and you need gconf to configure it, too:-(
[03:25] <freeflying> Riddell: dose debian accept the immodule patch for qt ?
[03:26] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it's in their SVN
[03:27] <Riddell> may even be uploaded, not sure
[03:27] <freeflying> Riddell: then I may file an ITP for scim-qtimm on b. d. o ?
[03:29] <jjesse> i know this isn't a support channel but no one on #kubuntu can help me: is there any way to get printing working in dapper?  says i can't connecto to cups
[03:39] <Riddell> amU: what is that background you used on the live CD?
[03:40] <Riddell> jjesse: if you ignore the cups error message it mostly works
[03:43] <jjesse> Riddell: can't add a printer
[03:43] <jjesse> so i can't print
[03:44] <Riddell> hmm, bummer
[03:44] <Riddell> gnome-cups-thing works for now
[03:45] <Riddell> I'll probably need to make cups 1.1 pacakges if kde doesn't start working for cups 1.2 soon
[05:09] <allee> Riddell: which kde guys did you pester upstream?  Which malone bugs?  More administration or user problem?
[05:12] <Riddell> allee: with respect to what?
[05:12] <allee> cups
[05:13] <Riddell> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-print-devel&m=113294211631555&w=2
[05:14] <Riddell> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115891
[05:15] <allee> Riddell: can't we use localhost:631
[05:17] <Riddell> allee: no, cups doesn't listen on tcp by default in ubuntu (no open ports policy)
[05:17] <Riddell> unless it listens on loopback and not real network or something
[05:17] <allee> Riddell: isn't localhost an exception to no open ports?
[05:18] <allee> well, localhost is loopback ;)
[05:19] <Riddell> hmm, actually looks like cups does listen on localhost by default
[05:20] <Riddell> but even using localhost I get Connection to CUPS server failed.
[05:20] <allee> Riddell: at least for cups 1.1 clientside: if nothing given in CUPS_PRINTER, /etc/cups/client.conf or comand line was given, fallback was localhost:631
[05:21] <Riddell> allee: well does setting KDE to use localhost work for you?
[05:22] <allee> allee: I never had to set anything with a local cupsd running.  When I only use the lp* clientstools I modified client.conf
[05:22] <allee> Riddell: but for test I set cups server in print dialog and it worked (last time maybe 2 month ago)
[05:24] <allee> allee: only cups client side usage problem I'm aware of is that sometimes cupsd uses <queue>, sometimes <queue>@<cups-server-with-out-domain>
[05:25] <Riddell> talking to yourself :)
[05:26] <Riddell> well it definatly doesn't work for me "Error: the IPP request failed for an unknown reason."
[06:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:02] <Tm_T> I think I package ortp and Kopete-jingle
[06:02] <Tm_T> as soon as 0.12 beta comes out, prolly in next week
[08:39] <_Sime> Riddell: guidance 0.6.2 is up on the site. http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[08:40] <Lure> _Sime: can you look bug 26175
[08:40] <Lure> it seems that userconfig breaks unlock from screensaver
[08:40] <Riddell> _Sime: great
[08:40] <Riddell> _Sime: can the DPI be set in displayconfig?
[08:42] <robotgeek> System Settings -> Storage Media has no service for Blank CD/DVD, is this intentional
[08:46] <robotgeek> i'm asking cause i am doing Documentation, and I need to finish the section on "Burning CD's"
[08:54] <_Sime> Lure: next version ;)
[08:54] <_Sime> Riddell: DPI => no, that would break FF. ;-)
[08:56] <Lure> _Sime: OK, just that you are aware of it.
[08:57] <Lure> _Sime: DPI -> it would also solve bug 25656 (it is a matter of perspective ;-))
[08:59] <Lure> _Sime: and thanks for 0.6.2 - changelog looks very promising - looking forward
[09:14] <incinerator> ping Riddell
[09:18] <Riddell> incinerator: hi
[09:18] <incinerator> you pinged me about the meeting yesterday, but then i went afk....
[09:18] <Riddell> robotgeek: I think the author has good reasons to have it that way
[09:18] <Riddell> incinerator: just trying to put a face to your nick :)
[09:19] <incinerator> it's me, Dominik, the German
[09:19] <incinerator> ;-)
[09:19] <incinerator> Btw, we will need some Ubuntu/Kubuntu CDs for both events, if you can bring some along....
[09:19] <Riddell> incinerator: are you going to the install days?
[09:20] <incinerator> well, I'm organising them, I'd better go along, as well ggg
[09:20] <Riddell> cool :)
[09:20] <Riddell> I can't make them unfortunatly
[09:20] <Riddell> but I'll bring a box of Kubuntu CDs and some Open CDs tomorrow
[09:20] <incinerator> yay, if you happen to have some Ubuntu ones, as well....
[09:21] <Riddell> I don't
[09:22] <incinerator> nevermind, Sean has some of those I think
[09:26] <nlindblad> ouch
[09:26] <nlindblad> this is not good
[09:26] <nlindblad> lindblad@insomnia:~$ ls
[09:26] <nlindblad> ls: relocation error: ls: symbol __guard, version GLIBC_2.3.2 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[09:26] <incinerator> btw, I'm running your kde 3.5.1 breezy packages on my laptop just now, seems to work fine
[09:54] <robotgeek> Riddell: hmm, okay. So, it will not popup a "Burn CD" dialog.
[10:39] <Riddell> raphink: does setting cups to localhost work for you?
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: nope
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: I just upgraded a few minutes ago and now it works
[10:51] <raphink> Riddell: I'm trying to find what package might have fixed it
[10:55] <raphink> Riddell: that's weird ...
[10:55] <raphink> but it works :) so I won't complain
[10:58] <Riddell> yes, it's a bit like that
[10:59] <nlindblad> how come I get that error?
[11:01] <raphink> nlindblad: ?
[11:01] <nlindblad> nlindblad@insomnia:~$ ls
[11:01] <nlindblad> ls: relocation error: ls: symbol __guard, version GLIBC_2.3.2 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[11:01] <raphink> hmm interesting bug
[11:02] <nlindblad> indeed
[11:10] <nlindblad> should I be worried?
[11:10] <raphink> does it happen in all dirs ?
[11:10] <nlindblad> yes, and it's not only ls
[11:10] <raphink> what else?
[11:10] <nlindblad> seems like everything using libc is broken
[11:11] <nlindblad> root can do things fine though
[11:11] <raphink> what distro do you use ? dapper?
[11:11] <nlindblad> yes
[11:11] <raphink> is it up-to-date?
[11:12] <nlindblad> yes
[11:12] <raphink> hmmm
[11:12] <raphink> well did you report the bug?
[11:13] <nlindblad> not yet, I'll do that tomorrow
[11:13] <nlindblad> should have gone to bed hours ago
[11:13] <raphink> ok
[11:14] <Lure> nlindblad: is this just warning message or does "ls" fail completely
[11:15] <nlindblad> it dies
[11:15] <Lure> I would be concerned that machine would not boot anymore after shutdown
[11:16] <nlindblad> hmm
[11:16] <Lure> do you have libc6-i686 installed?
[11:16] <nlindblad> no idea
[11:16] <nlindblad> how do I look using apt
[11:16] <Lure> dpkg -S libc.so.6
[11:17] <Lure> dpkg -l | grep libc6
[11:21] <nlindblad> yeah
[11:21] <nlindblad> it's installed
[11:25] <Lure> which version?
[11:27] <nlindblad> 2.3.6
[11:27] <Lure> If you google for symbol __guard, you can see it is some stack violation
[11:28] <Lure> you should submit a bug for sure - this sounds critical
[11:30] <Lure> do you have selinux?
[11:33] <Lure> http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/09/msg00105.html
[11:33] <Lure> I have to get some sleep now... ;-)
[11:34] <Lure> Bye evrybody
[11:58] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?
[12:03] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[12:03] <raphink> :)
[12:03] <Riddell> always here for you baby
[12:03] <raphink> Riddell: I'm working on the libxine-extracodecs stuff
[12:03] <raphink> now there's a slight issue imo
[12:03] <raphink> I can have it in adept_installer quite easily