[00:11] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping
[13:17] <maxolasersquad> My server is undead!
[13:22] <mhall119> omg, zombie server apocalypse!
[13:29] <maxolasersquad> The thing was dead for a couple of week, and then it just turned itself on sometime last night.
[13:29] <maxolasersquad> Dead as in, the power button had no functionality.
[13:46] <maxolasersquad> If I do `./command &` and I exit the session, should the application still be running?
[13:47] <maxolasersquad> Oh, nm, it is still running.  Cool.
[13:57] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[13:59] <maxolasersquad> Good morning reya276.
[16:32] <katyl> Afternoon everyone.
[16:48] <maxolasersquad> katyl: Howdy!
[16:59] <rmcbride> ah. finally the x updates PPA has nvidia-current that will work with the xorg 1.10 RC2 in natty
[20:55] <cjohnston> jcastro: welsome!
[20:55] <cjohnston> welcome
[21:00] <mhall119> jcastro is invading?
[21:01] <jcastro> In August!
[21:01] <mhall119> August? why August?
[21:01] <mhall119> August is pretty much the worst month to be in Florida
[21:02] <jcastro> that's when my wife's internship starts
[21:02] <jcastro> and I will only be there a year
[21:02] <jcastro> so you won't have a chance to get sick of me, mwahahaha
[21:02] <mhall119> cool, where's she interning?
[21:03] <mhall119> what city will you be in?
[21:10] <itnet7> that rocks jcastro !
[21:12] <jcastro> mhall119: boca raton
[21:12] <jcastro> some school, I wasn't paying attention, I was like jumping up and down
[21:12] <mhall119> oh cool
[21:19] <cjohnston> i say we kidnap him and dont let him leave
[22:28] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ping


[09:51] <serpyxa> hi every1
[09:51] <serpyxa> i need help
[12:39] <charlie-tca> 8gm
[12:39] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[15:33] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: that abiword translation bug. Isn't that a .desktop file translation?
[15:34] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca
[15:34] <charlie-tca> Good morning, davmor2
[15:50] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: indeed, but still, it's probably upstream (unless they now translate universe packages on lp)
[15:50] <mr_pouit> to me, rosetta is an awesome tool to break translation, so I avoid speaking about it :P
[15:55] <charlie-tca> heh, thanks
[15:56] <charlie-tca> um, I broke natty when I updated last night and then shut down the computer
[15:57] <charlie-tca> I will have to try and fix it tonight
[22:42] <charlie-tca> w00t! Xfce 4.7 now running in Natty
[23:05] <pleia2> yay!


 At last someone with taste
[08:19] <charl> you want to make a caffe latte?
[08:19] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[08:19] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[08:19] <charl> i only drink my coffee black and bitter, unless i take a cappuccino on the occasion
[08:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[08:20] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:20] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:20] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:20] <charl> our maid did his work again, even though he doesn't wear a cute maid outfit
[08:21] <Kilos> lol
[08:21] <charl> have you heard about the mcdonalds in taiwan?
[08:21] <charl> first they got their staff to wear maid outfits, then dress as schoolgirls, and the latest is nurses
[08:22] <Kilos> ai!
[08:23] <charl> one of my friends is in china right now, he sent me a picture of a bunch of maids somewhere in a shopping mall
[08:23] <charl> maids used to be a japanese thing but now it seems like it is getting popular all over asia
[09:00] <Kilos> we gotta make a plan and get more ubuntu women here
[09:01] <Kilos> they can come chat about recipes
[09:01] <Kilos> and geek things of course
[09:31] <Squirm> hey henkj_
[09:32] <henkj_> hey Squirm
[09:34] <henkj> almost thought I'd lost my nickname
[09:35] <henkj> tried to identify and my password didn't work
[09:35] <henkj> many underscores in this channel actually
[09:36] <Kilos> ohi henkj
[09:36] <henkj> hi Kilos
[09:39] <henkj> are there still ubuntu things happening in cape town?
[09:40] <Kilos> well there might be a release party in april but i dunno if the guys down there have time anymore
[09:49] <Kilos> hi psyatw georgl
[09:51] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:40] <charl> oh yes i see what i will be doing in february
[10:40] <charl> firstly: https://fosdem.org/2014/
[10:41] <charl> and then, perhaps secondly: http://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/
[10:41] <charl> hi psyatw
[10:41] <charl> hi henkj
[10:41] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:41] <henkj> hi charl
[10:41] <psyatw> hi henkj
[10:57] <charl> whow i can get to brussels cheaply over the weekend
[10:57] <charl> i pay about 20 euro to get to roosendaal en then another 30 euro to get to brussels and back
[10:58] <charl> so i can do the whole trip in under 50 euro
[10:58] <charl> although, if i take the earlier train, it will be a little more expensive, but probably worth it
[13:45] <charl> interesting, seems like they took the mandatory microsoft account registration out of windows 8.1
[14:29] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <nuvolari> :O amper huistoe-tyd
[15:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:44] <Kilos> Maaz, seen tumbleweed
[15:44] <Maaz> Kilos: tumbleweed was last seen 14 days, 20 hours, 33 minutes and 40 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-12-23 21:11:01 SAST], and has been online on freenode since 2014-01-05 22:42:00 SAST
[15:45] <Kilos> goodness me
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: the wind probably swept him to some remote island
[17:55] <Kilos> lol
[17:55] <Kilos> ive already forgotten what i wanted to ask him
[17:56] <Kilos> ohi tumbleweed where are you?
[18:01] <Kilos> sigh late night again
[18:14] <tumbleweed> Kilos: home
[18:14] <tumbleweed> how are things?
[18:15] <Kilos> yay wb tumbleweed
[18:15] <Kilos> we all good here ty
[18:15] <Kilos> happy new year
[18:15] <tumbleweed> you too
[18:15] <inetpro> wb tumbleweed
[18:15]  * tumbleweed scored food poisening for new year :/
[18:15] <Kilos> ouch
[18:15] <inetpro> eish!
[18:15] <tumbleweed> all over now
[18:15] <Kilos> what did you eat?
[18:16] <tumbleweed> a braai on new year's eve
[18:16] <Kilos> poisoning
[18:16] <tumbleweed> no idea what it was. could have been the wors
[18:16] <inetpro> chicken?
[18:16] <tumbleweed> nope, none
[18:16] <Kilos> wow food poisoning from a braai
[18:16] <inetpro> hmm
[18:16] <tumbleweed> I know :P
[18:17] <Kilos> maybe some of the pork fat in the wors was off
[18:17] <Kilos> dont buy wors from the same place again
[18:18] <tumbleweed> that was my local spar, but it had been in the fridge a couple of days
[18:19] <Kilos> well at least you over it now and learned a lesson
[18:19] <tumbleweed> :)
[18:20] <Kilos> was the trip a success?
[18:20] <Kilos> you were gone forever
[18:20] <tumbleweed> heh, just a month
[18:20] <tumbleweed> but I might move
[18:20] <Kilos> to where?
[18:21] <Kilos> then you gonna become like the crash kid and just look after a bot?
[18:21] <tumbleweed> san francisco
[18:22] <Kilos> well if thats where the money is then why not
[18:22] <Kilos> but dont start ignoring us hey.
[18:23] <Kilos> still working with ubuntu or not?
[18:23] <tumbleweed> the money is here two, but there are so many more thnigs there
[18:23] <tumbleweed> too
[18:23] <Kilos> like?
[18:25] <tumbleweed> so many more places to work
[18:25] <Kilos> aha well good luck with whatever you decide to do
[18:25] <tumbleweed> thanks
[18:26] <Kilos> and please dont forget us
[18:26] <charl> hmmm interesting
[18:26] <Kilos> just now there is only fly pro nuvo and i left
[18:26] <charl> i considered moving to silicon valley back in 2007
[18:26] <charl> but what kept me back is that silican valley is located in the US
[18:26] <charl> where you have no right to anything
[18:26] <charl> that's the only thing that stopped me
[18:27] <charl> hi nlsthzn
[18:27] <nlsthzn> hello all
[18:27] <inetpro> good morning nlsthzn
[18:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn wb my man
[18:27]  * nlsthzn has the flu :'(
[18:27] <charl> hi inetpro
[18:28] <nlsthzn> been in bed for most of the last three days
[18:28] <charl> morning ?!
[18:28] <inetpro> oh hi charl
[18:28] <Kilos> ouch
[18:28] <inetpro> charl: he just woke up from nowhere
[18:28] <charl> lol
[18:28] <nlsthzn> >.>
[18:28] <nlsthzn> so how has everyone been?
[18:29] <charl> i'm doing well
[18:29] <Kilos> we been good here ty
[18:29] <nlsthzn> awesome
[18:29] <tumbleweed> charl: yeah, I've resisted the US for a while
[18:29] <tumbleweed> but I think a change of scenery would suit me right now
[18:29] <charl> sometimes you need that
[18:29] <charl> just don't turn into a real american :P
[18:30] <charl> don't forget where you came from
[18:30] <tumbleweed> yeah, doubt I would
[18:31] <tumbleweed> it helps that america hates foreigners
[18:31] <nlsthzn> just when I was looking at other pastures I find that all of my certificates etc. have gone missing >.<
[18:31] <Kilos> oh my nlsthzn
[18:31] <nlsthzn> was updating my CV and went looking for them and nothing...
[18:31] <charl> tumbleweed: ah that's good news
[18:31] <nlsthzn> not a single one left :/
[18:31] <Kilos> where were they nlsthzn ?
[18:32] <Kilos> how can they disappear
[18:32] <nlsthzn> in my PC room until a few months ago... I hope they didn't land in the wrong pile when spring cleaning some months ago
[18:32] <nlsthzn> that would sucl
[18:32] <nlsthzn> *suck
[18:32] <Kilos> ouch
[18:32] <Kilos> you must have records on the pc
[18:33] <inetpro> tumbleweed: did you notice our new meeting date?
[18:33] <inetpro> moved to Tuesdays
[18:34] <Kilos> oh ya you too nlsthzn 28th
[18:34] <nlsthzn> I am sure I can re-apply for the most important ones... but that can take a long time to come
[18:34] <nlsthzn> meeting the 28th?
[18:34] <Kilos> yes\
[18:34] <inetpro> every 4th Tuesday of the month
[18:36] <inetpro> and we have an interesting topic up for discussion
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly, did you put your suggestion in the agenda?
[18:36] <inetpro>  The current state of Internet in South Africa by superfly
[18:36] <Kilos> oh sorry inetpro
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: it's there
[18:36] <Kilos> ooyay
[18:37] <Kilos> also we gotta work a way to get more ubuntu women here
[18:37] <Kilos> i give up with the list peeps
[18:37] <nlsthzn> reading an interesting book where the author looks at the boom in africa going online via mobile at a rapid rate and how this is effecting africa ...
[18:37] <nlsthzn> awesome read
[18:38] <inetpro> nlsthzn: what book is that?
[18:39] <nlsthzn> http://hintjens.com/books Culture and Empire
[18:39] <nlsthzn> free ebook
[18:40] <nlsthzn> that isn't the main focus of the book but it touches on the subject
[18:41] <nlsthzn> something you guys might enjoy to look through - https://github.com/vhf/free-programming-books/blob/master/free-programming-books.md
[18:41] <inetpro> nice
[18:48] <nlsthzn> that was odd
[18:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn has quit (*.net *.split)
[18:51] <nlsthzn> yup, thought as much :p
[18:51] <Kilos> been probs again last few days
[19:13] <Symmetria> sup
[19:13] <Kilos> temps
[19:14] <Kilos> you use joomla Symmetria ?
[19:14] <Symmetria> lol why is it that in kenya I managed to get cable internet installed in my house on the same day I ordered it with 20megabit uncapped unshaped for R1k ZAR a month complete with 98 tv channels
[19:14] <Symmetria> but I can't get the same in south africa
[19:14] <Symmetria> (I put it in a temp solution while I wait for my fiber)
[19:14] <Kilos> slack in za
[19:14] <Symmetria> nope dont use joomla
[19:15] <Symmetria> heh, waiting for my fiber at home, they must hurry up but could take 3 weeks to get wayleaves
[19:15] <Kilos> have you an idea on how to get in if the passwd has been changed?
[19:15] <Kilos> there is no rush in za
[19:15] <Kilos> just mail the local bossman
[19:16] <Symmetria> kilos no idea
[19:16] <Symmetria> heh, dude, even if you get it installed in za
[19:16] <Symmetria> you're gonna pay more than double
[19:16] <Symmetria> 10meg uncapped in za if you include the price of phone line, dsl connection and isp account is more than a grand
[19:16] <Kilos> like hod of the govt there then they mail down the list and last oke moves
[19:16] <Symmetria> and doesnt ahve any tv channels on it or anything
[19:16] <Kilos> ouch
[19:17] <Kilos> join our meet on the 28th and give us bright ideas
[19:18] <Kilos> gonna be a za internet discussion
[19:18] <Symmetria> heh tomorrow I need to fix our latencies from uganda to south africa across the continent and then our gaming server will be pretty much ready to go :)
[19:18] <Symmetria> that will fix gaming al over the continent
[19:18] <Symmetria> and Ive got meetings tomorrow about buying mirror servers
[19:18] <Symmetria> mirror servers that make the old mirror.ac.za look like a joke
[19:19] <Symmetria> 256gig of ram, quad 8 core cpu, 200 terabytes of high speed equilogix disk space
[19:19] <Kilos> wow
[19:20] <charl> when i was in kenya back in 2011 i also was really impressed
[19:20] <charl> the kenyans want to move forward, not like the south africans that just want to milk the last drop of blood from the telecoms industry
[19:20] <charl> i was shocked about how good the internet was in kenya compared to south africa at the time
[19:20] <Symmetria> heh charl we're launching a 100mbit to the home product shortly
[19:20] <charl> i went to kenya just coming from south africa back in august 2011
[19:21] <Symmetria> we'll also be launching a 20meg uncapped service for like 700 bux a month
[19:21] <Symmetria> thats fiber to the home based
[19:21] <charl> 700 kenyan shillings?
[19:21] <Symmetria> nah rand
[19:21] <charl> kenya works in rand?
[19:21] <Symmetria> nah I converted :)
[19:21] <Symmetria> lol
[19:21] <charl> 700 kenyan shillings is practically nothing
[19:21] <Symmetria> hehehe nah I did the conversion
[19:21] <charl> if i remember correctly at the time it was 100 shillings to the euro
[19:21] <Symmetria> its about 6000 ksh
[19:21] <Symmetria> to 700 rand
[19:22] <charl> ah, yeah that sounds more logical
[19:22] <charl> well if i look at what i am paying right now - 60 euro per month for a 150 mbps connection
[19:22] <charl> then kenya is not far behind
[19:22] <charl> although, i should say, i have high quality bandwidth with a very low ping, and it never goes down
[19:23] <charl> i have not seen it go down in more than 2 years
[19:23] <Symmetria> heh Im cheating and pulling in a point of presence into my house so I can serve my neighbors ;p
[19:23] <Symmetria> which gives me 2 x 10G fibers into my study ;p
[19:23]  * Symmetria laughs
[19:23] <charl> nice, why not
[19:23] <charl> a lot of people used to host stuff in their basements in the early years of the internet everywhere
[19:24] <charl> i have even seen photos from some closets in japan back in the early 90s
[19:24] <charl> back in 2004 i started working for an isp in south africa where we had fibre running into my office, i had a PoP standing right behind my desk
[19:24] <charl> at the time that was a big deal
[19:25] <Symmetria> heh my damn tv is busy updating its firmware off the internet and it must hurry up so I can go to bed, but its a ridiculously huge download the tv is doing
[19:25] <Symmetria> like 1.2 gig in tv firmware wtf
[19:25] <nlsthzn> night all
[19:25] <charl> how is that even possible
[19:25] <Symmetria> thats larger than a ubuntu linux server cd
[19:25] <charl> nlsthzn: have a good one!
[19:25] <charl> nlsthzn: and get better !!! :)
[19:25] <Symmetria> charl lol, these samsung smart tvs are well... pretty smart :)
[19:25] <nlsthzn> thx
[19:25] <charl> apparently :)
[19:26] <charl> i use my computer as a smart tv, i just connect a nice large external lcd/led edge lit screen
[19:26] <Symmetria> charl lol yeah but there is something about a 60" display that can stream stuff directly off plex servers and other things that rocks
[19:26] <charl> all of the tv i watch is iptv in any case, just play it with html5/flash/vlc
[19:26] <Symmetria> charl heh, plex server is what I use, with plex client installed on tv
[19:26] <Symmetria> plex > *
[19:27] <charl> was just googling it now
[19:27] <charl> looks very nice
[19:27] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/screens.jpg
[19:27] <Symmetria> you can see the tv there running plex
[19:28] <charl> heh nice setup
[19:28] <charl> although my neck would get strain with so many screens
[19:28] <Symmetria> heh was upgraded since I took that photo, I replaced the 2 left hand screens with the same ones that are on the right hand side
[19:28] <charl> i use two at the moment at work but the person from arbo warned me about it
[19:29] <Symmetria> those screens on the right in that photo are... very very very sweet
[19:29] <Symmetria> charl lol, you use a swivel chair in a setup like that, you have to
[19:29] <charl> they look extremely wide
[19:29] <Symmetria> the screens on the right are 29" 2560x1080p ultra-wide
[19:29] <charl> what aspect ratio are they
[19:29] <charl> ah i see
[19:29] <Symmetria> they U2913WM's
[19:29] <Symmetria> made by Dell
[19:29] <Symmetria> pricey fuckers though
[19:29] <charl> lol
[19:30] <charl> i bet
[19:30] <Symmetria> but they make for an awesome awesome work environment when you need a TON of terminal windows open
[19:30] <charl> for NOC type stuff i can understand
[19:30] <Symmetria> by biggest complaint with that setup is sadly, because linux and nvidia keep fighting with each other, it wont work properly in linux
[19:31] <charl> i like looking at NOC pictures, displays everywhere
[19:31] <Symmetria> linux nerfed the nvidia drivers so you can't do more than 3 screens
[19:31] <Symmetria> and linux pukes when it drives to boot that machine anyway because it doesnt know how to deal with the hardware in it
[19:31] <charl> yeah i am stuck with intel HD due to that reason
[19:31] <Symmetria> (that machine has 2 GTX 790 Ti Video Cards in it)
[19:31] <Symmetria> both on 16x PCI-E bus
[19:31] <charl> what irritates me is that all the new AMD laptops come with radeon graphics cards
[19:31] <Symmetria> heh, the graphics power int hat machine and the video encoding / decoding power is just SICK
[19:31] <charl> and that means AMD is out for me now, too
[19:32] <Symmetria> heh there is no card in the world though that outrun that 790 Ti
[19:32] <Symmetria> its SICK fast
[19:32] <Symmetria> and to have two of them in the same machine is just awesome sauce
[19:32] <Symmetria> I was gonna SLI them but chose not to
[19:32] <charl> i mostly use my machines for internet/development and watching tv/films so i don't need anything crazy fortunately
[19:32] <charl> otherwise i would also be stuck on windows
[19:33] <Symmetria> heh I use my machine for a ton of things but a lot of the video power is because I remux video etc
[19:33] <Symmetria> the reality is though, that in terms of video stuff, windows still has teh better apps
[19:33] <charl> yeah then you need it
[19:33] <Symmetria> adobe premiere and adobe after effects > *
[19:34] <charl> you guys do stuff with voip too?
[19:34] <Symmetria> hell of a lot of sip stuff
[19:34] <charl> at work we are migrating to microsoft lync now (i would rather have had a fully standards-based asterisk setup)
[19:34] <Symmetria> both over ip networks and over dedicated sat links
[19:35] <Symmetria> heh yeah see, we dont generally play with the software stuff though, the stuff we're doing is carrier grade on hardware platforms
[19:35] <charl> i like how lync is integrated with microsoft exchange and the presence automatically updates according to your calendar
[19:35] <charl> but i'm not a big fan of proprietary lock-ins
[19:36] <charl> i am using instant messaging now with the pidgin sipe plugin but i still need to get a hardware network-phone this month
[19:36] <charl> there are no soft clients for lync that run on linux and works with voip
[19:36] <charl> so i have pidgin for instant messaging and a network phone for voip
[19:42] <Symmetria> wtf this stupid netgear cable modem at my house.... has french firmware
[19:42] <Symmetria> and no way that I can see to switch it to english
[19:42] <Symmetria> :( its gonna surrender and die
[19:44] <charl> le revolution!
[19:44] <charl> i was in liege this past sunday, i just realise once again that i understand nothing of french
[19:48] <Symmetria> heh
[19:48] <Symmetria> this is a speedtest.net server
[19:48] <Symmetria> from a box that is like, half a kilometer from my house
[19:48] <Symmetria> connected to the same hub Im gonna be connected to
[19:49] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214916728
[19:49] <Symmetria> its being constrained though by the isp thats hosting that test server
[19:49] <charl> that's not bad, for kenya
[19:50] <charl> although, i find speedtest isn't very good at measuring high bandwidth links in any case
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh, well, it would go a shitload faster IF the server could handle it
[19:50] <Symmetria> and yeah speedtest.net sux for high bandwidth links
[19:50] <charl> i think flash might be part of the problem
[19:51] <charl> if i do a speed test from work (gigabit ethernet locally with a 40gbps connection to the rest of the world) i can get about 800mbps down and 600mbps up to amsio
[19:51] <charl> but that's using iperf
[19:52] <charl> against a VM with 10gbps virtual ethernet
[19:52] <Symmetria> speedtest.net also SUCKS testing high bandwidth over long latencies
[19:52] <Symmetria> I mean
[19:52] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214925486
[19:52] <Symmetria> thats a neotel speed test from kenya
[19:53] <Symmetria> the upload speed figure is complete horseshit, I know how much bandwidth is there
[19:53] <charl> iperf is for real speed tests, gives a much more realistic indication
[19:53] <charl> speedtest is just for testing crappy consumer dsl connections
[19:53] <Symmetria> lol yeah
[19:54] <charl> it's ok for testing connections like this stupid home cable connection to ziggo
[19:54] <charl> but my city doesn't have ftth yet
[19:54] <charl> they are busy converting the region, i'm hoping for this year, then i'm off ziggo with their overpriced service
[19:55] <charl> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3214930293
[19:55] <charl> the worst thing about eurodocsis is that your upload speed is a tenth of your download
[19:57] <charl> this is what real internet looks like: http://www.breedbandarnhem.nl//thuis/snelheden
[19:57] <Symmetria> heh
[19:57] <Symmetria> anyway :) Im off to bed
[19:57] <Symmetria> gnight all
[19:57] <charl> have a good one
[19:57] <charl> i'm off too
[19:58] <Kilos> night
[20:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[04:07] <bkanuka> hey anyone there?
[04:09] <Yompa> Sure, but I probably have no answers if that's what you are looking for :-)
[04:10] <bkanuka> cool. no im not really here for question.  I just joined the loco group
[04:10] <bkanuka> i don't really know what a loco team is all about, but since I've set a few of my friends up on ubuntu, I figured I'm already half way to what you guys do
[04:12] <Yompa> Haha, I think we are on the same level then. Not even sure what or where to join, just started browsing myself. Idling a bit on this channel to learn.
[04:13] <bkanuka> ya okay.  I'm kinda wondering if there is a "leader"
[04:13] <bkanuka> also, I want some ubuntu stickers! :p
[04:18] <Yompa> I wouldn't expect a leader directly in a community like this. There are leading figures however. Some are on this channel I figure.
[04:20] <Yompa> Stickers would be cool :-)
[04:24] <Yompa> There is also a ubuntu-ca mailing list, that's usually more action than this channel.
[04:25] <Yompa> *Strangely*
[07:57]  * KombuchaKip yawns
[15:42]  * dscassel is reading the log from yesterday.
[15:42] <dscassel> bkanuka: what do you need?
[15:42] <dscassel> bkanuka: (besides stickers? :)
[15:53] <bkanuka> i don't actually need anything :P i was just saying, Im here.  I want to get involved in helping or spreading ubuntu
[15:54] <dscassel> bkanuka: Awesome. :D
[15:54] <dscassel> Where are you? Physically?
[15:54] <bkanuka> I live in Kingston, ON.  I go to school at Queen's
[15:54] <bkanuka> my parents live downtown toronto, so I'm there often
[15:56] <dscassel> Cool.  We're starting to get Toronto events going again.  Having events in Kingston would be cool.
[15:56] <bkanuka> there's not many people in Kingston :p
[15:57] <bkanuka> but I was definitely thinking I could promote things here
[15:57] <dscassel> I'm taking an "if you build it, they will come" approach.
[15:57] <dscassel> Build it and publicize, anyway.
[15:57] <bkanuka> ya - i agree with that
[15:57] <dscassel> But yeah, whatever you think is best, really.
[15:58] <dscassel> The easiest thing you can do, event-wise, is the Ubuntu Hour.
[15:58] <bkanuka> please explain
[15:58] <dscassel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[15:58] <dscassel> It's just a regular, scheduled meetup at a local coffee shop or watering hole.
[15:59] <dscassel> Provide a place for people to show up and say hi.  And maybe accost strangers with CDs.
[15:59] <bkanuka> i can definitely do this
[16:00] <dscassel> Fantastic. :)
[16:00] <IdleOne> when accosting strangers, make sure not to sneak up on them :)
[16:01] <IdleOne> We don't want people running away screaming and stuff
[16:01] <dscassel> Yeah.  :D
[16:02] <dscassel> There's also release parties every six months.
[16:02] <dscassel> That can be big and elaborate, or it can be just a bunch of people meeting up at a pub or something.
[16:03] <dscassel> I recommend starting with the latter. :)
[16:03] <bkanuka> im gonna start with the hour first
[16:04] <dscassel> Sounds good to me. :)
[16:04] <bkanuka> will people have a problem with me "setting up" somewhere?
[16:04] <dscassel> Generally, not really.  I haven't run into problems.
[16:04] <dscassel> It's probably courteous to ask staff ahead of time...
[16:05] <bkanuka> ya
[16:05] <dscassel> When you have a time and place, add the event here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[16:05] <dscassel> Then people in the Ubuntu community who happen to be in Kingston have a chance at finding it.
[16:06] <bkanuka> okay
[16:07] <IdleOne> take pictures and blog about it afterwards, come here and link us.
[16:07] <dscassel> Yeah, that's much appreciated. :)
[16:08] <IdleOne> and yeah, most places i am sure would be fine with having "customers" in their business but asking first is always nice.
[16:08] <dscassel> If you're on twitter or identi.ca, tweet/dent about it using the #locoteams tag, and the !ubuntuca group on identi.ca
[16:09] <bkanuka> okay
[16:10] <IdleOne> bkanuka: basically it isn't hard to do just takes someone to go ahead and do it :)
[16:10] <dscassel> Yup.  Just publicize a bit and go sit in a cafe. :)
[16:12] <dscassel> Leigh (hypatia) was talking about starting on in Toronto, but I think she's been busy.
[16:12] <dscassel> starting one, that is.
[16:12] <bkanuka> I can do an hour a week
[16:14] <bkanuka> do these things turn into tech support?
[16:14] <dscassel> They can.
[16:15] <dscassel> I've had one guy show up with tech support problems.
[16:15] <dscassel> I wouldn't worry about trying to be an all-knowing expert.
[16:16] <dscassel> If you can't solve the problem, show them the forums, or #ubuntu.  See if someone there can help.
[16:16] <dscassel> Or askubuntu.com
[16:16] <bkanuka> are there template advertisements?
[16:17] <dscassel> I don't have one, but you can look around here: http://spreadubuntu.org/
[16:18] <bkanuka> thats it.  i was trying to find that site :p
[16:19] <bkanuka> in other news, have you patched your kernel with that ~200 line patch that speeds things up?
[16:20] <bkanuka> if you dont know what i'm talking about i can find an article
[16:20] <dscassel> Nope. I tend to avoid messing with the kernel.
[16:21] <dscassel> At best, I'll maybe upgrade to mainline if I need to.  Or if it's the only way to get some hardware working.
[16:22] <bkanuka> well then look forward to it getting pushed through to ubuntu
[16:22] <bkanuka> it really works
[16:22] <bkanuka> im always skeptical of any kind of quick fix, but this is really good
[16:23] <dscassel> Good to know. :)
[16:30] <bkanuka> oh now honestly, i was going to buy some stickers from canonical, but the shipping was pretty steep.  Is there somewhere in Canada I can buy them?
[16:31] <dscassel> Not really.  I'm out of the new Canonical stickers, after the last couple events.
[16:31] <dscassel> They come free in conference packs, if you're thinking about running a booth at a tech conference... :)
[16:31] <dscassel> I can ask txwikinger and see if he has a better way to get them to you than ordering from Canonical.
[16:32] <dscassel> I have some of System76's "Powered by Ubuntu" stickers with the old tricolour circle of friends.
[16:32] <dscassel> as well as keyboard stickers to cover Windows logos. :)
[16:32] <bkanuka> ya i saw system76's stickers
[16:32] <dscassel> I can send those off to you if you want to /msg me your address.
[16:33] <bkanuka> oh
[16:33] <bkanuka> okay. thanks
[16:33] <bkanuka> i don't know what you mean by /msg
[16:34] <bkanuka> i've been on irc for like a day
[16:34] <dscassel> private message.  Start with "/msg dscassel" on most clients. (I know it works on irssi...)
[16:35] <dscassel> This channel is logged and posted publicly.  You may not want to put your address here. :)
[16:35] <dscassel> You can also just email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:35] <bkanuka> that's what i'll do before i get comfortable with irc
[16:36] <dscassel> Sure. :)
[16:36] <bkanuka> and right now im using empathy, and i know it's lacking some irc commands


[00:21] <j1mc> charlie-tca: the xubuntu team meeting is during my work hours on thursday, so i don't think i'll ever be able to make it.
[00:21] <j1mc> thanks for 'pinging' me, though.
[00:22] <charlie-tca> thanks, j1mc. No point pinging someone that if they can't make it anyway, :-)


[09:33] <tsdgeos> Wellark: ping
[10:07] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: did i file this in the correct place? https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1386109
[10:08] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: hmm. you'd need to file it wherever the connectivity API is implemented. /me searching
[10:08] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: i think it's there
[10:08] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: not this? https://launchpad.net/connectivity-api
[10:08] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: i'd say that is what reads the value and returns it in cpp land
[10:09] <tsdgeos> not what fills the value
[10:09] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: well, Wellark maintains both, so he can figure it out
[10:09] <tsdgeos> ok :)
[10:09] <pete-woods> :)
[10:12] <snadge> im trying to debug unity 8 on vivid.. it just gives an auth error on login.. blank display.. can i turn on logging or something?
[10:13] <snadge> failed to authenticate.. which is weird, because a gnome flashback session with the same auth details works fine
[11:19] <facundobatista> Holas
[14:29] <tsdgeos> lol
[14:29] <tsdgeos> run 2 unity8-dash and everything goes crazy


[23:58] <shamilton> hey, I want to start a daemon for each network interface after local-filesystems, I'm trying to do this with instances but it's not working, is this actually doable?


[00:06] <Bashing-om> Gdoc: works completed - set to go WIKI way.
[00:54] <guiverc> I'll re-read if I get a chance Bashing-om, I'm not around much today, but thank you for your constant care, attention & thorough work.
[01:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: You work so I can work :D
[17:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Alan Pope: Coffee Overload @ https://popey.com/blog/2021/02/coffee-overload/
[18:44] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Dmitry Shachnev: ReText turns 10 years @ https://mitya57.me/weblog/2021/02/retext-turns-10-years.html
[23:28] <Bashing-om> And here's Johnny - UWN671 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue671 :D
[23:43] <krytarik> Bashing-om: How come "Late Night Linux: Episode 112" only links to their main page?
[23:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: May e a slip on my part - lemme see what I can do to correc.t
[23:44] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Maybe a slip on my part - lemme see what I can do to correct.
[23:46] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Yup slippage on my part - fixing :D
[23:46] <krytarik> Okey dokey!
[23:57] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Done ^ - glad that you caught it :D
[23:58] <krytarik> Thanks for doing all the leg work!.. >_<


[01:17] <ximion> pitti: hi!
[01:19] <Ezim> hi is it possible to ask I question about CMakeLists? I wonder what should from CMakeLists be used in debian/control Build-Depends? Here is a link: http://paste.kde.org/424334/
[01:34] <ximion> pitti: Are you there? I'd like to ask you a question about a change you applied to the packagekit package recently...
[01:34] <Ezim> kdelibs5-dev, libx11-dev, libkwinglesutils1, freeglut3-dev  correct?
[01:35] <ximion> Ezim: what do you mean? The X11, OGL(ES), KWin/KDE libraries?
[01:35] <Ezim> ximion, training on making package
[01:36] <ximion> Ezim: looks okay... If you're unsure, you could test-build your package in a chroot environment.
[01:36] <Ezim> I picked http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/BeClock?content=117542
[01:38] <ximion> Ezim: you should always test-build your package in a chroot environment (you can use e.g. pdebuild for that after creating a pbuilder environment) - Then you'll see if stuff is missing.
[01:39] <Ezim> ximion, I have never tryid to build in chroot enviroment
[01:39] <ximion> if you don't want to do this, you can also run ldd on the resulting binary, see which libs are used, find the package they're in (apt-file) and then add their -dev package to depends.
[01:41] <ximion> from what I see in the cmake file, you'll need kde-workspace-dev zoo
[01:41] <ximion> *too
[01:41] <Ezim> ximion, this package is not in the repo.
[01:41] <Ezim> package outside repo
[01:42] <ximion> Ezim: which package?
[01:43] <Ezim> I picked http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/BeClock?content=117542
[01:45] <ximion> Ezim: yes, I'm talking of the packages you need as build-dependency.
[01:46] <ximion> you can determine them by building a binary out of your sources, and then use the ldd way.
[01:46] <ximion> this is not the most efficient way, but it works :P
[01:47] <Ezim> ximion, you mean without adding anything to Build-Depends?
[01:47] <ximion> a better alternative is using the CMakeLists, which tells me that you'll need at least cmake, kdelibs5-dev, libx11-dev, libkwinglesutils1, freeglut3-dev, kde-workspace-dev
[01:48] <ximion> Ezim: no, you can find out Build-Depends from the libraries your resulting binary is linked to.
[01:48] <ximion> but that's just if you're really not sure :P
[01:49] <Ezim> CMakeLists <<--- was exactly were I looked
[01:49] <Ezim> I only wanted to now if does I wrote was right or not
[01:50] <ximion> Ezim: I think yes, if you depend on cmake (kinda obvious) and kde-workspace-dev too :)
[01:50] <Ezim> find_package(KDE4), find_package(X11), find_package(OpenGLES), find_package(OpenGL)
[01:50] <ximion> but to be really sure, you need to test-build your new pkg in a clean environment e.g. with pbuilder ( http://pbuilder.alioth.debian.org/#usingpbuilder )
[01:51] <ximion> cmake helpers to find OpenGLES and OpenGL are in workspaces-dev :)
[01:51] <ximion> so you'll need it
[01:52] <Ezim> ximion, so the only thing I missed was kde-workspace-dev?
[01:52] <ximion> and cmake, yes -  as far as I can see
[01:52] <Ezim> ximion, :) cmake of course
[01:52] <ximion> but there might be some hidden stuff somewhere, I haven't looked at the source or if there's another buildscript somewhere
[01:53] <Ezim> libqt4-dev <<--- maybe also?
[01:54] <ximion> Ezim: AFAIK, the kde dev packages should pull this in
[01:54] <ximion> everything else would be against policy.
[01:55] <ximion> yep, they do depend on it already
[01:55] <Ezim> ximion, there is not any other buildscript I am aware of.
[01:57] <ximion> okay, then give it a try! :)
[01:57] <Ezim> ximion, which section should I choose in debian/control?
[01:58] <ximion> Ezim: kde
[01:58] <Ezim> ximion, :) this is only trying to make package.
[01:59] <ximion> Ezim: is this your first Debian package? (Just asking so I don't tell you stuff you already know ^^)+
[02:00] <Ezim> ximion, no.
[02:01] <Ezim> ximion, this is my 3 outside the (k)ubuntu repo.
[02:01] <ximion> Ezim: okay :) Do you use the PPA service?
[02:01] <Ezim> ximion, :) no, only for myself. when I feel I can make good package then I will help in other way to ubuntu-family.
[02:03] <ximion> if you only build packages on your machine then, debuild uses your local environment, meaning that the package build won't fail even if you haven't defined all the Build-Depends which are actually required ^^
[02:03] <ximion> you only need to have the packages installed locally :P
[02:04] <ximion> (of course, you need to define the right builddeps if you build your package in a clean environment, like a PPA repo or pbuilder env)
[02:04] <Ezim> ximion, yeah Build-Depends before i modify it, it builded correctly anyway.
[02:04] <ximion> ...but I suppose you know this already :P
[02:04] <ximion> yes :D
[02:05] <Ezim> ximion, :) yes.
[02:06] <ximion> cmake uses Fin* macros to find modules required for build... So if you see something "like find_package (Foo)", you can run a search which package contains "FindFoo.cmake" - then you have your build-dependency or a hint how to find it.
[02:07] <ximion> (cmake itself ships some Find* fines, but you can open them and check which library/etc. it's referring too, if this is not obvious already)
[02:07] <ximion> *files
[02:08] <ximion> oh, it's really too late, I can't even type correctly anymore :(
[10:51] <infinity> TheMuso: Is there any chance I can get you to merge 3.2.0-17.26 with -lowlatecy and re-upload, so I don't waste buildd time accepting this -16.25 one from NEW?
[10:53] <infinity> TheMuso: Other than that, it all looks good, and I'm happy to accept.
[10:53] <infinity> TheMuso: Actually, I guess since it only builds on x86, I don't care about the buildd churn so much.  Just so long as you guys are committed to rebasing and keeping it up to date.
[13:22] <Atlantic777> Is there any guide on where to store files, or to be even more specific, how to use sqlite db and where to store database?
[13:23] <Atlantic777> This is first time I'm writing a desktop app so... I'm not sure. ~/.myAppFolder/database.db is ok?
[13:24] <Atlantic777> which offline database you suggest? sqlite vs couchdb
[13:24] <hyperair> sqlite.
[13:24] <hyperair> the whole desktopcouch stack was horrible for the laptop battery iirc
[13:24] <Atlantic777> tnx hyperair, then I'm on a good way. :)
[13:25] <Ampelbein> Atlantic777: ~/.myApp/ looks fine to me and yeah, sqlite is the better solution for now. But #ubuntu-app-devel might be better for those kind of questions.
[13:25] <Atlantic777> oh, sorry, I havn't read the topic here...
[14:13] <addy20020> hello all is their is special compiler on which c language coding and compiling on same plateform as like in window
[14:57] <ximion> pitti: hi!
[16:36] <ximion> pitti: are you there?
[18:11] <htorque> hi everyone! if debsums detects changes to files like 'changelog.Debian.gz', should this be filed as bug against the corresponding package?
[18:13] <penguin42> htorque: There's something special about those due to the system where only part of hte changelog is included in the resulting package
[18:13] <penguin42> htorque: And I think it might be related to a gzip bug where the gzip of the same file didn't always produce the same result
[18:21] <htorque> penguin42: yeah, that's why i'm asking - i noticed lots of mismatches for those files. i'll keep looking for a bug report.
[18:21] <penguin42> htorque: There is bug 871083 for gzip odd behaviour - but I don't think that's the one due to mangled changelogs
[18:22] <htorque> there are also a couple of png files, probably due to optimization efforts?
[19:08] <mainerror> Someone needs a kernel ninja on Ask Ubuntu.
[19:08] <mainerror> http://askubuntu.com/questions/105395/make-fails-because-it-doesnt-know-headers-install
[22:06] <ximion> pitti: are you there now? (sorry for bothering ^^)


 512mib is fairly enough I think. (re @troyBORG: How big do you guys usually make your UEFI partitions.  Or do you usually just go with whatever the defualt is?)
[08:04] <guiverc> @theNewOrder, I can't remember what the default was/is, but I've often gone larger than default for a few boxes used only for QA-testing (thus a number of installs are put on it); I used default for boxes I use though
[08:05] <guiverc> sorry I may have misunderstood who was asking ^  (I've had issues on boxes with multiple installs thus larger for QA test boxes where I know it's likely I'll install a number)
 reported a new/strange bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/1937115 seems to only affect Dell machines - great if someone could test/confirm this -


[17:08] <kees> \o
[17:09] <micahg> o/
[17:09] <mdeslaur> hello!
[17:10]  * sbeattie waves
[17:15] <jjohansen> \o
[17:15] <kees> okay, who's running this? :)
[17:16] <mdeslaur> kees: I thought you were :)
[17:16] <kees> i am now!
[17:16] <kees> #startmeeting
[17:16] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:16. The chair is kees.
[17:16] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:16] <kees> [topic] prior action review
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  prior action review
[17:17] <kees> doesn't seem like there were any
[17:17] <kees> [topic] Weekly stand-up report
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly stand-up report
[17:18] <kees> I was at blackhat/defcon last week. I'll be writing up my notes. this week I'm going to try to catch up on email and see what time is left for work items. *sob*
[17:18] <kees> mdeslaur, you're up
[17:18] <mdeslaur> I still need to test the foomatic packages I built last week
[17:19] <mdeslaur> and I'm working on an embargoed issue for tomorrow
[17:19] <mdeslaur> and want to update virtinst and virt-manager in oneiric before FF
[17:19] <mdeslaur> I've pretty much caught up the dev release CVEs out-of-syncs
[17:19] <mdeslaur> and besides that, I'll be going down the list.
[17:19] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[17:19] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[17:20] <kees> mdeslaur: nice, I saw the email about the dev CVE syncs.
[17:20] <mdeslaur> kees: email?
[17:20] <mdeslaur> kees: oh, right
[17:20] <kees> mdeslaur: the one asking for clarification on one of them
[17:20] <kees> yeah
[17:21] <sbeattie> I'm on holiday for the rest of the week starting tomorrow.
[17:21] <sbeattie> I'll be spending today sorting out stuff before I go.
[17:22] <sbeattie> I'm supposedly on triage this week, can someone cover that for me?
[17:22] <sbeattie> Otherwise, that's it for me.
[17:22] <kees> sbeattie: yeah, if mdeslaur doesn't keep stealing the cve runs, I can do some too this week :)
[17:23] <sbeattie> heh
[17:23] <kees> micahg: you're up :)
[17:23] <micahg> chromium update going out today, I'll be preparing Mozilla updates to go out next week and webkit to fill in the free time
[17:24] <micahg> that's it for me
[17:24] <kees> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Highlighted packages
[17:24] <kees> one moment...
[17:26] <kees> libsmi: CVE-2010-2891
[17:26] <kees> udev: CVE-2011-0640
[17:26] <kees> wbxml2: CVE-2009-3560 CVE-2009-3720
[17:26] <kees> tsclient: CVE-2011-0900 CVE-2011-0901
[17:26] <kees> aircrack-ng: CVE-2010-1159
[17:27] <kees> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:27] <kees> I have a list of things to build with PIE... *cough*
[17:28]  * kees stares at nelhage :)
[17:28] <bliss> good thing there's no such thing as a VM escape
[17:28]  * nelhage looks innocent
[17:29] <kees> anything else people want to bring up?
[17:29] <micahg> I forgot to mention that I'm off tomorrow
[17:29] <kees> micahg: cool
[17:30] <kees> okay, that's a wrap then. thanks everyone!
[17:30] <jjohansen> heh I am off today - wednesday
[17:31] <kees> jjohansen: heh :)
[17:31] <mdeslaur> thanks kees
[17:32] <kees> #endmeeting
[17:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:32.
[17:33] <micahg> thanks kees


[04:47] <lazyPower> And great bacon to all
[05:41] <TengokuNoIsan> Aye :D
[05:42]  * TengokuNoIsan bows to the bacon
[13:10] <TengokuNoIsan> Good bacon to all, and to all some good bacon!
[17:52] <lazyPower> o7 ahoy ubuntu'ers


[01:35] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, i still wonder about that cat /etc/lsb-release.dpkg-dist , http://paste.ubuntu.com/23519642/
[01:50] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Yeah, got me too .. as I ran it in 14.04 .., DNE .
[02:01] <Bashing-om> One thing about working support, we often wind up with more questions than we answer :)
[02:07] <OerHeks> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/no-evidence-of-aloe-vera-found-in-the-aloe-vera-at-wal-mart-cvs
[02:07] <OerHeks> #aloeveragate
[02:09] <Bashing-om> Now why Am I Not surprised - truth in advertising - NOT .
[02:26] <daftykins> aloe aloe aloe, said the policeman investigating ;)
[02:27] <Bashing-om> There is something vera wrong here .
[02:29] <daftykins> :D
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Boy, an hour on the channel, with no activity .. times are getting hard for us volunteers :(
[03:14] <daftykins> best break a few installs so you have something to fix!
[03:14] <OerHeks> add a lot of ppa's
[03:16] <daftykins> ooh and then hit upgrade!
[03:16] <Bashing-om> OH .. It took me the longest to learn not to do that !
[03:16] <OerHeks> -d
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:19] <Wirehunter> lotuspsychje,  Good afternoon
[06:20] <daftykins> hallo \o
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey Wirehunter
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> its rainy here
[06:24] <daftykins> d'aww, i hear nothing atm
[06:24] <daftykins> and no light!
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows a lightweight browser that doesnt get that cpu is too old warning?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> its for an old acer laptop
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> tested chrome,firefox and opera, they all got that warning
[07:13] <ducasse> hi all
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:21] <ducasse> good morning, lotuspsychje - how is life?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> great here mate, day off xmass shopping today :p
[07:22] <ducasse> aha, i'm thinking of doing that tomorrow.
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> too avoid the mass crowds :p
[07:26] <ducasse> i hate that too, i usually try to get it over with early.
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great idea :p
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: laterz mate and have a nice day
[07:31] <ducasse> you too, lotuspsychje - talk later
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> one day we will have a normal conversation lol
[07:31] <ducasse> :)
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:37] <daftykins> good morning \o
[11:38] <ducasse> o/
[11:39] <daftykins> ah hey ducasse \o
[11:39] <BluesKaj> "Morning daftykinsm ducasse
[11:39] <BluesKaj> er daftykins
[11:41] <ducasse> sun and warm today, almost all the snow is gone \o/
[11:41] <daftykins> so soon! :)
[11:42] <ducasse> i'm sure there will be lots more :(
[11:42] <daftykins> postie brought me Fallout 4 today, cost me all of £12.50
[11:43] <ducasse> that's not bad at all.
[11:44] <daftykins> quite amusing because it's a DVD copy, but it has a steam key - so it can copy over 4.5GB then download the remaining 20GB :D
[11:44] <ducasse> duh!
[11:44] <daftykins> apparently it was a pirating measure
[11:44] <daftykins> er anti-pirating even :)
[11:44] <ducasse> lol
[11:45] <daftykins> YARR!
[11:46] <ducasse> drm sucks, in any case. thankfully it seems a lot of people are starting to realize that now.
[11:47] <daftykins> i've heard the argument that it makes more sense to buy a games console as a bluray player now, because they can keep releasing fixes for the app e.g. on the xbox one, instead of firmware updates for a consumer player
[11:47] <daftykins> makes a lot of sense
[11:49] <ducasse> it does. i had a standalone bluray player, but gave it away. still have a bluray writer in my desktop, handy sometimes.
[11:52] <ducasse> daftykins: do you know much about arm boards?
[11:52] <daftykins> no sir
[11:54] <ducasse> me nether. just looking at what is available, but i don't know which are any good.
[11:54] <ducasse> *neither
[11:55] <daftykins> what's the task?
[11:56] <ducasse> i want a light desktop with low power consumption and minimal space requirements for my living room.
[11:56] <ducasse> just for web, mail, irc etc
[11:56] <daftykins> i'm waiting to see prices on the intel atom apollo lake type NUCs
[11:57] <daftykins> those'll be #1 HTPCs and fit that role well :)
[11:57] <daftykins> full 10-bit HEVC decode and encode support to boot!
[11:57] <ducasse> oooh, i'd lov a nuc
[11:59] <ducasse> not now, though, looking for an amplifier and that's the budget-buster for this month :)
[12:00] <daftykins> ^_^
[12:00] <daftykins> stereo musics only?
[12:00] <daftykins> still enjoying my NAD :>
[12:01] <daftykins> i really wish the PSU in it didn't give an idle whine though, i have it run overnight so i wake up to internet radio - bit less than ideal, but bearable
[12:01] <ducasse> yes, just stereo. i'm looking at a nice one with built-in dac from a local shop, since i'll mainly be using it to play flac and mp3
[12:02] <daftykins> *nod*
[12:02] <daftykins> did y'hear about what.cd? :(
[12:02] <daftykins> very sad times
[12:02] <ducasse> taken down? never used it.
[12:02] <daftykins> ah, twas a thing of beauty
[12:03] <ducasse> i'm still angry about kat :(
[12:03] <daftykins> *shrug* dirty public ones are a dime a dozen :)
[12:04] <BluesKaj> ducasse, what kind of amp are you looking at?
[12:04] <ducasse> local company
[12:06] <ducasse> it's quite small and not very powerful, but i don't need much. it just has two digital inputs and one analog, which is perfect for me.
[12:06] <daftykins> sounds good
[12:07] <daftykins> 18 mins to download Fallout still, my my
[12:07] <daftykins> 5MB/sec and it's still not enough ;)
[12:07] <BluesKaj> my HK receiver is rated at only 40W RMS/ch and it can play plenty loud with the Paradigm speakers
[12:07] <ducasse> i'll combine it with a raspberry pi and mpd, voila music player :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> right
[12:08] <ducasse> thos is just 20, i think, but it will drive my kef bookshelf speakers.
[12:09] <ducasse> i *could* also get an analog nad or something with more watts, but then i'll need a separate dac at some point
[12:10] <BluesKaj> KEF used to be a real power eaters back in the day
[12:10]  * daftykins has a pi in the lounge feeding his Onkyo AVR over HDMI
[12:11] <BluesKaj> serarate dacs aren't worth the money if you're going t listen to streaming audio
[12:11] <BluesKaj> separate
[12:12] <daftykins> well he mentioned FLAC so all is well :D
[12:12] <daftykins> can get some nice 24 bit 96kHz vinyl ripped stuff in FLAC
[12:12] <ducasse> not streaming, files. mostly flac or apple lossless.
[12:12] <daftykins> eww ALAC, get out :)
[12:13] <ducasse> that's the minority :)
[12:13] <daftykins> must say a certain digit of mine was extended when i first saw a clients iTunes wanting to convert FLAC to ALAC
[12:13] <ducasse> some of the ones i didn't rip myself, so to speak :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> I've converted all my FLACs to wav ...less processing needed
[12:16] <BluesKaj> no need for any kind of compression, lossless or not nowadays
[12:16] <ducasse> flac shouldn't be a problem for an rpi2, i'd guess.
[12:19] <ducasse> BluesKaj: are you using your rpi to play them? through what software?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> thinking of connecting the rpi to a monitor and speaker system in the den/office
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ducasse, no the media HTPC has an outboard drive with all the media on it
[12:20] <ducasse> ah, ok. and that runs kodi?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> yes, I have kodi on both the HTPC and the rpi
[12:22] <daftykins> FLAC is about having the metadata though
[12:22] <daftykins> useless playing wav and having none :>
[12:22] <ducasse> i hope to avoid a display on mine, so mpd looks like the best choice
[12:22] <ducasse> good point
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I need to do rearranging in my den to set the rpi up properly, just have to get off my butt to do it  :-)
[12:25] <ducasse> hehe, familiar problem :) i've been meaning to clear up cables etc around the routers for weeks now :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> heh, there'a little more than just a few cables deal witrh in my case
[12:27] <ducasse> then you are more justified than i am :)
[12:28] <ducasse> i also need to replace the root disk in my server, but actually doing it is a major hassle...
[12:29] <BluesKaj> bookshelves full of outdated apps etc on cds and dvds and old stereo amps and other junk that has to be thown out or recycled
[12:31] <ducasse> sounds fun
[12:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, wife has been after me for weeks now to clear it out
[12:33] <BluesKaj> now that winter is settling in I'll have time
[12:34] <BluesKaj> looking forward to new setup though
[12:35] <ducasse> i've got a small storage room where i keep the server and lots of junk. it'd be nice to clear that out and get stuff properly on shelves etc.
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[15:07] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[15:08] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[15:08] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> you guys experienced that cpu too old error on any browser yet on old machines?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> forgot its name
[15:11] <pauljw> not yet, what's old?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> ive tested opera, firefox, IE and chrome, all gave me that error
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: acer laptop
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> aspire older type, not sure wich cpu anymore
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> i should have written it down
[15:15] <pauljw> well, i have a 2011 Acer AspireOne w/Intel Atom dual core processor that I just fired up and Firefox is working just fine, no errors.
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/your-hardware-no-longer-supported
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> think thats the warning i had
[15:16] <pauljw> hmmm
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> so many machines have p4 or lower right
[15:17] <daftykins> Pentium M perhaps? :)
[15:17] <daftykins> also hi \o
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins
[15:18] <pauljw> hi daftykins
[15:18] <pauljw> yeah, lotuspsychje, i don't know where the Atom processor falls in modernity of cpu's.
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> so i guess an older browser would do the trick..
[15:18] <daftykins> there are quite a number of them (atoms)
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> but then safety of the browser lacks
[15:19] <daftykins> you can't run an older browser though chief, once Mozilla have given up it's irresponsible to use it online - time to ditch it
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> so i thought
[15:20] <pauljw> mine is running FF 50.0 fully up to date on xubuntu 16.04
[15:20] <pauljw> lucky for me i guess...
[15:20] <daftykins> :)
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> it was on a w7 acer aspire, lubuntu didnt like the machine lol
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> so i couldnt test chromium
[15:21] <daftykins> hmm can't have come with 7
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: no it came with ME, but i putted 7 on it
[15:22] <daftykins> from the factory i mean
[15:22] <daftykins> oooooouch! :)
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:22] <pauljw> oh, must be a bit older than mine, mine had win7 starter originally.
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah if lubuntu cant run it...its very ancient :p
[15:22] <daftykins> well you guys know my feelings, lubuntu does not polish a turd - some have to be let go
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:23] <pauljw> lol
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ! never throw away a working box
[15:23] <daftykins> sir i gave away core 2 duo laptops with 4GB RAM and SSDs :)
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> i would rather make it a calculator pc out of it, then throw it away
[15:23] <daftykins> but then they said they might find their way to Africa if they couldn't be used
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> loll
[15:24] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje - finished xmas shopping? :)
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah mate, we found quiet a bit today
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> not all, but the booze and some gifts
[15:25] <daftykins> :D
[15:25]  * lotuspsychje wants a retro atari for xmass to play pong
[15:26] <ducasse> daftykins: what do you think about this? https://www.amazon.com/Musical-Fidelity-V90-AMP-USB-Integrated/dp/B00H54F9R8
[15:27] <daftykins> hmm totally beyond my skill set i'm afraid
[15:27] <daftykins> says made in england though, so it can't be snake oil ;)
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: whats the purpose gonna be?
[15:28] <ducasse> well - amplifier for playing music :) from rpi, probably, mainly flac.
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> we are thinking of buying a portable internet radio
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> to play everywhere in our new house
[15:34] <daftykins> o0
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> both wifi and cable would be nice
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> and usb support of course
[15:36] <ducasse> when these things have usb ports, do they function basically as an external sound card?
[15:37] <daftykins> think so
[15:38] <ducasse> aaargh! incoming attention-seeking fur missile!
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: anyone we know?
[15:39] <ducasse> she jumped up behind the laptop and tried to hang on to tne screen :)
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> heeere kitty
[15:42] <daftykins> :D
[15:43] <ducasse> ok, so i'll need drivers to use usb? not that big a deal since it has optical, i guess.
[15:43] <daftykins> Mischief says "i could do that but i'm too busy enjoying grooms" http://i.imgur.com/1Fuu02I.jpg
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> cool pic :p
[15:44] <ducasse> d'awww
[15:44] <daftykins> :D
[15:46] <ducasse> i tried to take a oic of her now, but that was _not_ acceptable :)
[15:46] <ducasse> *pic
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> !info xpra
[16:45] <ubot5`> xpra (source: xpra): tool to detach/reattach running X programs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15.8+dfsg-1 (xenial), package size 1046 kB, installed size 4717 kB
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> never heard of it
[16:46] <ducasse> can be handy
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> i loved sux, too bad they depraced it
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !info sux precise
[16:47] <ubot5`> sux (source: sux): wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-6 (precise), package size 9 kB, installed size 64 kB
[16:48] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: what do you think about this? https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hometheater/receivers/avrx1000
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> lemme check
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lookin neat!
[16:50] <ducasse> i thought so too. more expensive than intended, but i can get it brand new for about $200-250
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> ethernet and internet radio i like
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> services like spotify and apps support, not so much..but i guess all devices are trying to these days
[16:51] <ducasse> don't need that, but it has hdmi, coax/spdif etc
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> yeah basics are great
[16:53] <ducasse> a bit overkill, really, but... *shrug* :)
[16:56] <ducasse> oooh! network controllable, i just *know* there will be a linux client on github :D
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> ;p
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> https://www.lifewire.com/best-home-theater-starter-kits-to-buy-4062692
[17:00] <ducasse> home theater isn't really what i need, all i care about is audio :) the hdmi part is just a bonus, since there are so few hdmi ports on most tv's.
[17:01] <ducasse> installation finished \o/
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the receiver only then?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> omg http://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-RZ3100&class=Receiver&source=prodClass 3199$
[17:04] <ducasse> that's $3000 more than what i'm looking at :)
[17:05] <ducasse> it looks *nice*, though :)
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:07] <ducasse> arch now installed on desktop, think i'll wait until the morning to reboot :)
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> cool
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.themasterswitch.com/best-av-receivers
[17:08] <ducasse> jeez, NixkorN has just been behaving like a total asshole this whole day
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i also dont like BT as connectivity on such devices
[17:14] <ducasse> i don't see the point of it :)
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> audio in/out, eth and usb :p
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> and hdmi of course
[17:17] <ducasse> i basically just want a nice amp, but one with built-in dac and digital inputs. the denon thingy looks like the best i can get for my money, and will also be decent for a home theater setup if i ever want one.
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah denon looks pretty neat
[17:19] <ducasse> it's a woman seling them, not far from me. she said it's just been sitting in the box, never opened.
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> nice
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> then plugin a nice bredsbandbolaget in it :p
[17:21] <ducasse> now he's rude to you, too.
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> ill sack him pretty soon :p
[17:22] <ducasse> :)
[17:28] <BluesKaj> yes ducasse, denon is decent quality equipment
[17:29] <ducasse> i know, this looks like a decent choice that is somewhat future-proof for my needs.
[17:29] <ducasse> think i'll call tomorrow.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> I've had my HK since 2008 and it hasn't missed a beat ....knocks on wood :-)
[17:32] <ducasse> it usually pays to buy good-quality stuff. the only thing this lacks is preout, but that's not a big issue with my economy :)
[17:32] <BluesKaj> but I've had 3 other HK receivers and amps over the yrs, eventually they all get old and caps dry out etc
[17:33] <ducasse> eventually, but that can be a long time. a friend of mine is still using his nad 3020, that must be 20 years old.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> my Heathkit AA29 that I put together as a kit back in 1972 still runs well, a little noisy when switching sources, but otherwise sounds great
[17:38] <BluesKaj> outlasted all the Harman Kardon stuff
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok, gotta run a few errands ...BBL
[17:40] <ducasse> ttyl BluesKaj
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> same here movietime guys
[17:40] <pauljw> :)
[18:04] <ducasse> ♫ 99 little trolls on the wall, 99 little trolls... ♫
[19:28] <BluesKaj> tomtegubbar :-)
[19:30] <ducasse> :)
[19:31] <ducasse> this was a nasty one, though. a tomte is usually friendly :)
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> cheers guys, have a good troll night :p
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> movie nr 2 here :p
[19:32] <ducasse> you too, lotuspsychje. might order a pizza here before night :)
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> yummy
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[20:18] <romelios> hola


[16:37] <RikMills> NIGGE[RS] kline evasion
[16:37] <RikMills> Unit193: ^
[16:38] <RikMills> or other staff
[16:38] <el> we're aware. this is just goign to result in a wall of n-word if i keep going this way
[16:39] <el> we're looking into sasling the provider before i go again
[16:39] <el> please do not poke the hornets nest in #u
[16:39] <RikMills> el: cheers. I know these situations are tricky
[16:40] <el> they're trickier when people don't just ignore the troll and instead highlight them and have them start conversations
[16:40] <RikMills> el: point taken
[16:40] <el> coconut: we're aware and working on it
[16:40] <coconut> :)
[16:41] <el> can someone get them to stop poking him before i ban half the channel
[16:44] <coconut> just asked for :)


[20:53] <kklimonda> hey, any idea why are my gnome-settings-daemon and dconf-service using all the cpu?
[20:54] <kklimonda> both have ~/.config/dconf/user opened and seem to be fighting over it..
[22:05] <RAOF> desrt: I'm awake now (nominally)
[22:05] <RAOF> Stupid bloody heat.
[22:05] <desrt> RAOF: dude.  it's february
[22:06] <desrt> how hot can it be?!
[22:06]  * desrt may or may not be intentionally oblivious
[22:06] <RAOF> It was 39 on Saturday and 37 yesterday, and this house only has a day's worth of thermal mass.
[22:06] <desrt> no AC?
[22:06] <RAOF> Dude, no.
[22:06] <desrt> ow.
[22:06] <desrt> ya... that's pretty bad.
[22:07] <desrt> what latitude is taz?
[22:07] <RAOF> 42°
[22:07]  * desrt would figure it's cool by being close to antarctica or something
[22:07] <ajmitch> RAOF: move to NZ, you won't have that problem
[22:07] <desrt> eh... same as toronto, more or less
[22:07] <RAOF> These are outliers.
[22:07] <desrt> we get weather like that in the summer
[22:07] <desrt> but everyone here as AC to deal with it
[22:07] <RAOF> I'm surprised.
[22:08] <RAOF> We get like one day or less a year at that temperature.
[22:08] <RAOF> On average, clearly :)
[22:08] <desrt> ya... 40 is nothing usual here
[22:08] <desrt> but you expect to see it once or twice
[22:08] <RAOF> What, really?  Urgh.
[22:08] <RAOF> Oh.
[22:09] <RAOF> Bah, missing negation.
[22:09] <desrt> :)
[22:09] <desrt> anyway... wanted to ask about another X issue
[22:09] <desrt> you a hendrix fan?
[22:09] <RAOF> Ish.
[22:10] <desrt> so my laptop sometimes gets what i can only describe as a purple haze
[22:10] <RAOF> As in, the screen gets a purple tint?
[22:10] <desrt> it usually happens when i undock while suspended (although i think i've seen it when i'm not suspended as well)
[22:11] <desrt> the resolution on the panel is exactly half (or double, depending on your perspective) of what it should be (ie: i see the left half of the content of screen, stretched across the entire screen)
[22:11] <desrt> and there is this purple haze effect
[22:11] <desrt> maybe 'snow' is a better word for it, actually
[22:12] <RAOF> Ah, ok.
[22:12] <RAOF> Something's got confused.
[22:12] <desrt> have you heard of this at all or should i try to get it to happen so you can gather some info?
[22:13] <RAOF> I've not heard of this, but there are plausible guesses; what are the resolutions of your internal & external monitor?  This is intel?
[22:13] <desrt> it's intel on a t420
[22:13] <desrt> just about as stock as you can get
[22:14] <desrt> http://fpaste.org/Dwd4/
[22:15] <desrt> (i have two 24" screens connected to the dock)
[22:15] <robert_ancell> desrt, hey, why you hate the fork so much?
[22:16] <desrt> robert_ancell: don't get me started...
[22:16] <desrt> FORK YOU!!!
[22:16] <RAOF> desrt: Oh, wow.  Triple head!
[22:16] <desrt> robert_ancell: fork() is truly insane...
[22:16] <desrt> RAOF: not quite.
[22:16] <desrt> RAOF: the chip only has two crtcs
[22:17] <desrt> so i dock it with the lid down
[22:17]  * RAOF knew he should have lobbied jasoncwarner_ for funding for another monitor :)
[22:17] <robert_ancell> desrt, is the only issue regarding glib the fact I can't create a new dbus connection (I was trying to do that) and it's not safe to return to the main loop (not going to do that)
[22:17] <desrt> robert_ancell: well, the entire functioning of gdbus is predicated on a worker thread
[22:17] <desrt> robert_ancell: and threads don't follow you across fork()
[22:17] <desrt> well... one of them does... the one that's calling fork()
[22:17] <desrt> the others don't
[22:17] <robert_ancell> desrt, is that owned by the GDBusConnection?
[22:18] <desrt> no. shared.
[22:18] <robert_ancell> couldn't that be changed?
[22:18] <RAOF> desrt: Yeah, but you've got 3 connected devices.  Which is an uncommon case, so it's entirely possible that you're hitting a problem there.
[22:18] <desrt> ya.  david has often mused about changing it
[22:18] <desrt> but there's quite a lot of other problems as well
[22:18] <desrt> 'not returning to gmaincontext' is impractical because that's how gdbus functions internally
[22:19] <desrt> ie: it uses gmaincontext to communicate between its worker thread and your thread
[22:19] <desrt> RAOF: very possible.
[22:19] <robert_ancell> desrt, but if you did synchronous calls it would be fine right?
[22:19] <desrt> robert_ancell: no.  synchronous calls are implemented by creating a private main context and doing an async call
[22:19] <desrt> and waiting for the result to be delivered
[22:20] <robert_ancell> desrt, yeah, so isn't that safe then?
[22:20] <desrt> robert_ancell: there is very very little that is safe to do after fork()
[22:20] <desrt> like __really__ not very much
[22:20] <desrt> practically only the things that are safe to do in unix signal handlers
[22:21] <desrt> the reason for that is because another thread could be in the middle of a printf() and therefore holding the libc's stdio lock
[22:21] <desrt> you're really very much in a bad place when you start mixing threads and fork()
[22:22] <robert_ancell> hmm
[22:22] <desrt> (to be more clear: the process memory gets copied with the lock held... it gets unlocked in the original copy of the process, but the new copy lacks the running thread to unlock it, so it is locked forever)
[22:23] <desrt> what are you trying to do?
[22:23] <robert_ancell> desrt, making the PAM code in lightdm run in a separate process
[22:23] <robert_ancell> if you make it a separate program I have to copy a lot of state over which gets messy
[22:23] <desrt> is this so that you can run multiple concurrent pam conversations?
[22:24] <desrt> pam really really really needs to be killed....
[22:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, yes, but also so I can handle crashing PAM code (it happens) and PAM modules can call setenv (which they do)
[22:24] <desrt> everyone uses it because everyone uses it
[22:24] <desrt> robert_ancell: be bold!  be the change you want to see in the world!  occupy authentication!
[22:25] <robert_ancell> desrt, it's not too bad, but it does force you to use fork
[22:25] <robert_ancell> I was avoiding it in lightdm, but it's too ingrained
[22:26] <desrt> so you want to fork and interact with PAM
[22:26] <desrt> and communicate the results back using dbus?
[22:27] <robert_ancell> desrt, I need to open a CK session, and the best place to do it is when I open/close the PAM session (i.e. in the child process)
[22:27] <robert_ancell> which will be obsolete once CK dies :)
[22:27] <desrt> robert_ancell: can whatever you're doing wait until after the LTS?
[22:27] <kklimonda> ah, good we are switching to systemd - no more problems with CK.. oh, wait ;)
[22:27] <desrt> ya.... that's what i'm getting at :)
[22:27] <robert_ancell> desrt, not really, it breaks some corporate use cases currently
[22:28] <robert_ancell> kklimonda, not for 12.04 at least
[22:28]  * desrt seems to recall mark saying during a keynote in orlando that we would not focus on the authentication needs of corporate users
[22:28] <desrt> (specifically -- he used that as an example)
[22:28] <kklimonda> desrt: bah, he did say that? :/
[22:29] <robert_ancell> it still needs fixing though
[22:30] <robert_ancell> desrt, but from what your saying I have to do an exec anyway as printf could deadlock?
[22:30] <desrt> yes.
[22:30] <robert_ancell> yuck
[22:30] <desrt> man 7 signal has a list of 'safe' functions
[22:30] <desrt> exec is among them...
[22:32] <RAOF> Along with basically nothing else that you'd like to use :)
[22:41] <robert_ancell> RAOF, desrt, are you planning on flying into SFO or OAK for UDS?
[22:42] <desrt> SFO looked cheaper when i checked
[22:42] <RAOF> robert_ancell: SFO for me.
[22:42] <desrt> the BART goes to oakland, i think?
[22:42] <robert_ancell> cool, I assume you can just get a train from SFO to oakland?
[22:42] <desrt> BART = bay area rapid transit
[22:43] <robert_ancell> yup
[22:44] <desrt> hum
[23:14] <Sweetshark>  desrt: FORK YOU? nonono! FORK YEAH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc (esp. minutes 33-40) ...