[00:27] <gbear14275> anyone have any pointers to good articles for "what to do after you install lubuntu?"   I just installed and want to make sure all the multimedia and other repos are installed.
[00:30] <Unit193> medibuntu and getdeb repos (maybe lubuntu-restricted-extras)
[12:11] <John___> i have a question how do i install netgear wn311b?
[12:13] <bioterror> John___, you dont see it in the restricted drivers
[12:14] <John___> i already activate it but no wireless
[12:15] <bioterror> ifconfig doesnt show it?
[12:17] <John___> it didnt show
[12:17] <bioterror> you have to use ndiswrapper, I think
[12:18] <John___> i already install it but still i have the same problem
[12:19] <John___> hold on i'll be back
[12:26] <John___> ok im back
[12:27] <John___> it still wont work but when i run lspci it show my wireless
[12:28] <bioterror> does ifconfig then list it?
[12:28] <John___> only eth0 and lo
[12:28] <bioterror> so no
[12:29] <John___> i'll tried and it figure it out by google it
[12:29] <John___> i mean i will try to figure it out
[12:29] <bioterror> ndiswrapper and .cab files from cd
[14:52] <craigbass1976> is there another package manager that lets me browse by category?  Synaptics only lets me browse by repo, unless I'm missing something
[14:53] <bioterror> you want something like that software center?
[14:54] <craigbass1976> bioterror, right, but without installing GNOME
[14:56] <bioterror> well
[14:56] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install aptitude --no-install-recommends
[14:56] <bioterror> :D
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> Aptitude searching on category?
[14:57] <bioterror> and then "sudo aptitude"
[14:57] <bioterror> you will get into the ncurses based UI
[14:58] <craigbass1976> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/   I think that might be enough actually, then I can just install the package I find there.
[16:17] <John___> im back
[16:17] <MrChrisDruif> Welcome back John___ :)
[16:19] <John___> my wireless card work and now i have problem connecting by wicd
[16:22] <MrChrisDruif> I saw someone with the same problem a while ago...
[16:22] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't know how it got solved...if it got solved :)
[16:23] <NRWlion> hey chris
[16:23] <NRWlion> you are not talking about me, are you?
[16:23] <NRWlion> *laugh*
[16:24] <MrChrisDruif> NRWlion: Might be....did you have wicd problems?
[16:24] <NRWlion> wicd?
[16:24] <NRWlion> whats that?
[16:24] <MrChrisDruif> Don't know either :P
[16:24] <NRWlion> i am happy to have my system running now :D
[16:24] <MrChrisDruif> I saw it mention a few days back I think
[16:25] <John___> Wicd is an open source wired and wireless network manager for Linux.
[16:25] <NRWlion> next step is to install a localhost to do my webdesign / programming ;)
[16:25] <MrChrisDruif> John___: Doesn't Lubuntu use gnome's wireless manager?
[16:26] <John___> yes i tried that and couldnt connect
[16:26] <John___> on wireless
[16:27] <MrChrisDruif> John___: Weird....it's pretty good afaik
[17:39] <n97> hmmm... I have Lubuntu with the netbook interface
[17:39] <n97> but how di I customize it?
[17:40] <n97> like adding shortcuts or adding groups on the top (like internet, work, learn)
[17:48] <NRWlion> adding shortcuts would be nice to know :(
[17:53] <Unit193> You *can* make a .desktop file... or us ln (ln --help for more info)
[18:02] <NRWlion> hey hajour
[18:42] <odium> hi
[18:43] <bioterror> hi
[19:15] <gbear14275> my desktop icons are gone...  how do I either make new shortcuts or get them back?
[19:19] <bioterror> cp /usr/share/applications/bmon.desktop ~/Desktop
[20:42] <gbear14275> bioterror, that might be the problem... I don't appear to have the bmon.desktop file
[20:43] <bioterror> it was a example
[20:44] <bioterror> you have other .desktop files in your /usr/share/applications/
[20:44] <gbear14275> bioterror, ah, just figured that out thanks :)
[20:46] <gbear14275> bioterror, what about the home folder?
[20:47] <bioterror> ?
[20:53] <bioterror> gbear14275, you want desktop icon that opens a view to your home directory?
[20:54] <gbear14275> bioterror, yes please
[20:55] <bioterror> make home.desktop to your ~/Desktop and put http://paste.ubuntu.com/568906/ those inside it
[21:05] <lab> holas
[21:05] <lab> como puedo configurar que los iconos se vean mas pequeños?
[21:05] <bioterror> english please
[21:06] <lab> =(
[21:15] <phillw> bioterror: drat, where is pedro when you need him!
[21:15] <bioterror> I dunno
[21:15] <gbear14275> bioterror, where is home.desktop
[21:16] <phillw> bioterror: lab was asking about resizing icons
[21:21] <bioterror> gbear14275, create one, as in make one yourself


[08:24]  * popey hugs ikonia
[08:24] <ikonia> ta
[09:06] <rene_5472398> test
[09:06] <rene_5472398> hi im seearching for an #ubuntu channel operator
[09:07] <rene_5472398> i have been banned from talking in the #ubuntu channel, just because i missunderstood a security issue, and apperntly asked the wrong questions while staying compeetly polite
[09:07] <rene_5472398> a day later i was suddenly chat banned
[09:08] <rene_5472398> can i please get unbanned as i have no idea which rule i should have violated thanks
[09:10] <rene_5472398> i missunderstood that you needed to have administrative rights first to alter the clock and i thought first all user could some how set it, i even came back to apologize that i had misunderstood the security issue, after my apology i got banned i guess ...
[09:11] <rene_5472398> i will apologize again, as im just a noob linux user, im very sorry that i do not understand everything
[09:21] <Flannel> Hi rene_5472398.  Let me take a look.
[09:21] <rene_5472398> thanks
[09:21] <rene_5472398> i think they thought i was trolling
[09:22] <rene_5472398> but i was looking for a solution that didnt exist as i misunderstood the problem
[09:22] <Flannel> rene_5472398: Sorry, I seem to be having some problems.  When was this?
[09:23] <rene_5472398> some time ago
[09:23] <rene_5472398> could be 1 or 2 weeks
[09:23] <Flannel> Alright, give me a moment.
[09:23] <rene_5472398> i would need to go  look at the register article to give a date :)
[09:23] <Flannel> No worries, approximate is fine.
[09:24] <rene_5472398> it had todo with ww.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/01/ubuntu_to_shutter_yearold_clock_unlock_bug/
[09:24] <rene_5472398> so it was between now and 1 may
[09:24] <Flannel> Yeah, I found it.
[09:27] <Flannel> Alright.  So, I don't think it's worth discussing the specifics, you already outlined them pretty well.  So just to cover the bases, will you please read the IRC guidelines and let me know when you've done so (and that you understand/agree, etc).
[09:27] <Flannel> !guidelines
[09:27] <rene_5472398> oke
[09:27] <rene_5472398> going to read :)
[09:27] <Flannel> yep, no worries.  Let me know when you're done.
[09:27] <rene_5472398> ow firefox doesnt alow me on the page anymore i need chrome :)
[09:28] <rene_5472398> Firefox cannot guarantee the safety of your data on wiki.ubuntu.com because it uses SSLv3, a broken security protocol.
[09:28] <Flannel> Oh joy.  That's going to be fun to solve.
[09:29] <Flannel> rene_5472398: Can you still get there? if not, I can pastebin or something.
[09:31] <popey> rene_5472398: what version of Firefox out of interest?
[09:32] <rene_5472398> yes chrome alows me to view the page
[09:32] <rene_5472398> i guess the ubuntu channel ops felt i repeated my self too much, while i felt i was just asking for a solution, im surry that i asked on when the ops where unhappy about what i was saying
[09:33] <rene_5472398> i have read most of the page, and agree with its terms
[09:33] <rene_5472398> sorry*
[09:33] <Flannel> rene_5472398: Alright.  Great.  Please join #ubuntu and say something, just to verify I've successfully removed everything.  Also, what version of Firefox gave you that error/warning?
[09:34] <rene_5472398> no i still can't talk
[09:34] <Flannel> rene_5472398: How about now?
[09:34] <rene_5472398> latest firefox from ubuntu 12 37.0.2
[09:35] <rene_5472398> i can talk again thanks :)
[09:35] <popey> rene_5472398: have you fiddled some specific security settings in firefox?
[09:35] <popey> because that page works for me in 37.0.2
[09:35] <rene_5472398> i thing i have setted it to only alow TLS
[09:35] <popey> ok
[09:35] <popey> your problem then :)
[09:36] <popey> (as opposed to ours)
[09:36] <rene_5472398> oke :)
[09:36] <Flannel> rene_5472398: Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[09:38] <rene_5472398> no that was it :)
[09:38] <rene_5472398> i'm happy i can ask questions again or help others :)
[09:38] <Flannel> rene_5472398: Ok.  If you don't mind, please part this channel to help us keep track of who we need to help.  As always, if you need anything else from us, you know where to find us :)
[09:39] <rene_5472398> sure :) thanks again for the help, and have a good day all o/
[11:28] <svetlana> !ops skraito in the channel
[11:28] <svetlana> ta
[20:50] <genii> @comment 67632 Profanity, offtopic. Warned. Persisted.
[22:04] <Unit193> martinking<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubuntu


[02:43] <Takyoji> Heheheh.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/onebutan-iphone/4178222986/
[02:43] <Takyoji> :P
[11:42] <ripps> geez, I've been using mplayer+coreavc for all my 720p video playback for my athlonxp 2500+ and ati radeon 9600. It was adequete and would play mostly okay. Now, I've tried the most recent build of vlc, and blows away the performance of mplayer+ffmpeg and mplayer+coreavc. I thought vlc used ffmpeg, so why is it so much faster?
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> ripps: is it using new builds of ffmpeg too?
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> ripps: although I see no evidence that vlc does in fact use ffmpeg - source?
[11:59] <ripps> I always thought that vlc decoders were mostly based off of ffmpeg, although they might be using some kind of dynamic optimizations
[12:00] <ripps> it seems to automatically lower quality just enough when cpu spikes, but keep the quality up when cpu usage isn't as taxed
[12:00] <ripps> I know mplayer does this as well, but maybe vlc's is just a bit more advanced
[12:03] <ripps> I remember doing similar tests with vlc+720-h.264 with Jaunty, and dropping it because it constantly stuttered. They've made some impressive headway
[12:05] <tonyyarusso> ripps: it appears to use libmpeg2, which seems to be a different library than what ffmpeg uses.
[12:07] <ripps> hmm... it seems that libmpeg2 has better optimizations for amd cpus. Might explain why it works nicer with my athlon xp 2500+
[12:10]  * tonyyarusso is *soooo* behind on my weekly e-mails...
[14:26] <kermit> tonyyarusso: mailing lists?
[17:46] <h00k> tonyyarusso: after much ado, I put your testimonial on my wiki, I don't know how I forgot tht
[19:45] <tonyyarusso> kermit: My "Lucid Development Cycle weekly topics" things, yeah.
[19:51] <kermit> lucid? what's that?
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> kermit: 10.04's codename.
[19:51] <tonyyarusso> !lucid
[19:51] <ubot3`> Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[19:53] <kermit> it so slippery out i can idle in 3rd gear, stopped.
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> haha
[19:54] <tonyyarusso> probably not a good idea


[01:50] <MarkDude> aaditya:  time for a phonecall?
[02:20] <paulproteus> pleia2: Congrats on that!
[02:58] <aaditya> MarkDude: just got back from the LP planning meeting.
[02:58] <aaditya> not that you're here to get hilighted.
[02:59] <aaditya> hi pleia2!
[03:03] <aaditya> Ubuntu California has been assigned tables at the Linux Picnic. In case there's a preference for a different spot, please do let me know.
[03:03] <aaditya> http://www.linuxpicnic.org/twiki/bin/view/Picnix20/TableLayout
[03:08] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/aug/18/san-diego-open-source-software-makers-meet-and-gee/
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> Why did I NOT know about this?
[03:37] <philipballew> not sure, but I just saw it when searching for sodtware freedom day events in sd
[03:38] <philipballew> looked more up your ally then mine
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> BINGO
[03:39] <philipballew> Nice!
[03:42] <grantbow> aaditya: thanks
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Now I have a working calander of what's going on.
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> calendar
[03:43] <philipballew> looks like a good enough networking type thing
[03:53] <aaditya> grantbow: you're welcome
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, It became more then that...
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> Following the link trail I found this... http://www.sdtechscene.org/
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, ^^
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, There are a few venues I found from here... Will be calling tomorrow and seeing what's up with them and see if we can't get some steady flow for twice a month Ubuntu Hours.
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, You still about?
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> BRB Smoke
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> Back
[04:17] <philipballew> hit me DarkwingDuck
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.swaysd.com/index.asp I'm going to call and ensure that it's free tomorrow.
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> I got it from here.
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> There are two more if that one doesn't work out. http://www.sdtechscene.org/venues/
[04:18] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, ^^
[04:19] <philipballew> I likr the hippness of these
[04:19] <philipballew> *like
[04:19] <philipballew> they seem good
[04:20] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, plus they are tech friendly.
[04:20] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to try the one at Horton Plaza first.
[04:20] <philipballew> looks good. would this place work for a global jam?
[04:20] <DarkwingDuck> Then Mission Valley then Hillcrest.
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to ask tomorrow.
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> Your link provided it all :D
[04:22] <philipballew> my wasting hours on the Internet actually did something good for once
[04:22] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> You see this calendar? http://www.sdtechscene.org/
[04:24] <philipballew> i didnt even see that. shoot. thats awesome
[04:25] <philipballew> so someone can get the global jame and or hour put on this
[04:25] <philipballew> *jam
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> I will
[04:26] <philipballew> your the man!
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to set these things up tomorrow.
[04:27] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking, 1st and 3rd Tues or 2nd and 4th?
[04:27] <DarkwingDuck> For the Hours?
[04:27]  * bkerensa is trying to think of how to go about getting local schools in oregon to use Ubuntu
[04:28] <philipballew> either works for me
[04:29] <philipballew> but what about kevin DarkwingDuck
[04:29] <DarkwingDuck> I'm waiting for him to text me back.
[04:29] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know if he is sleeping at 930p
[04:30] <philipballew> he is online according to xchat
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> kdub_, You about?
[04:32] <philipballew> guess he went to bed
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger, I'll call him tomorrow.
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> Wait, I don't have his number... It was a different Kevin.
[04:35] <philipballew> hows the gj planning going? DarkwingDuck
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> Phil, you have a number for Kevin?
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> philipballew, Calling Sway tomorrow to see if I can have it for the 3rd
[04:38] <philipballew> yeah. let me pm it to you
[04:38] <philipballew> sounds good with swat
[04:38] <philipballew> *sway
[04:39] <philipballew> there it is
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, Only think I'm worried about is cost of drinks etc.
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> and if they charge for space.
[04:42] <philipballew> what would the charge be you think?
[04:42] <philipballew> is it 21 plus?
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> Dunno, I'll find out tomorrow and text/email you
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> That's the other thing.
[04:43]  * philipballew has a year till the cops cant chase him down for drinking
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:43] <philipballew> but i wouldnt imagine it being
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> It *is* a night club
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> So, if not, I like this idea of this place... http://www.cafelibertalia.com/wordpress/
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> It's a cafe (I like that idea) it's downtown (hillcrest) and a geek hall.
[04:46] <philipballew> hillcrest is a nice area
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, the drinks are cheap http://www.cafelibertalia.com/wordpress/menu/
[04:47] <philipballew> well what the sd ubuntu hour needs is two things. advertisment and then consistenty. kevin probably has some ideas as well
[04:52] <philipballew> but DarkwingDuck thats just my opinion
[04:53] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I have an in with the LUG plus this tech calendar and a few other ideas up my sleeve.
[04:54] <DarkwingDuck> Kevin is on his way to IRC>
[04:54] <philipballew> your foot in the door could be the way to get it going. nice!
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Kevin
[04:55] <kdub__> hola
[04:56] <kdub__> my nicks are confusing, hold on a min. still here
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> kdub__, Found these, am going to call for more info tomorrow. http://www.sdtechscene.org/venues/http://www.sdtechscene.org/venues/
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.sdtechscene.org/venues/
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> oops
[04:57] <kdub__> interrupted my compiz hacks....
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:57] <kdub__> oh hey, that's a convienent list though
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> That site is epic
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> Once we figure out a constent meeting dates/times I'm going to add us to the list.
[04:58] <kdub__> sd tech scene were featured in the san diego union tribune recently
[04:58] <kdub__> sounds good to me
[04:59] <philipballew> ^ ay
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> I want to hold twice a month... whats best for you?
[04:59] <kdub__> i would say weekends, but they've been booked lately
[04:59] <kdub__> probably a weeknight for a bit
[04:59] <kdub__> afterwork
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> I was looking at this place for a venue.
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.cafelibertalia.com/
[05:00] <philipballew> weekends do good for me as well id needed. but in the week evenings probably work best for most i would say
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> after 6p the meters go away.
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> Kev, what day of the week would work better for you?
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> I was looking at tues?
[05:01] <kdub__> tuesday is probably ok
[05:01] <philipballew> anything but friday probably would go well
[05:02] <DarkwingDuck> 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 4th?
[05:03] <kdub__> doesnt matter much to me
[05:03] <kdub__> 1st and 3rd tuesdays
[05:03] <kdub__> cleared with the chica as well :D
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, my wife just gave a nod.
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> or, 2nd and 3rd.
[05:05] <philipballew> my wife gave me the nod to. were good here
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> No wait.. I'm looking at the schedule.
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.cafelibertalia.com/calendar/month.php?year=2011&month=09
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> 6th (1st tues) is book for them.
[05:06] <kdub__> alright, 2nd and 4th then
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> We will plan the 1st and 3rd tuesday starting in oct.
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> Sept will just have the 3rd tuesday.
[05:07] <DarkwingDuck> I'll see about getting it on the 3rd from like 5-8
[05:07] <kdub__> are these places that we have to call or something?
[05:07] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to do that tomorrow.
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> then I'm going to get us on this list http://www.sdtechscene.org/
[05:08] <philipballew> are these places where new people would come
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> I think so. I'll also see if they have a bulletin board.
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> It looks like geek girls meet there too.
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> Plus isa a cafe/computer cafe
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> *its a
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> So, they seem to loke the geek people.
[05:10] <kdub__> yeah, sounds good to me
[05:10] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll make it happen tomorrow.
[05:11] <kdub__> sounds good!
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> I might stop by and take a look at it.
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> But, it looks epic.
[05:11] <philipballew> let me know if you need any help. ill be around
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> Plus Kevin, the drinks are cheap!
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.cafelibertalia.com/wordpress/menu/
[05:15] <kdub__> hah, always nice
[05:16] <DarkwingDuck> I'll call and let you guys know tomorrow.
[05:16] <DarkwingDuck> Kevin, are they hiring over there?
[05:16] <kdub__> hiring over at qualcomm?
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[05:19] <kdub__> i'll check... looking for graphics whiz's for sure
[05:19] <kdub__> what capacity? i've now told 2 people i will
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> My stuff is on linkedin
[05:20] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-wonderly/2b/26a/7a2
[05:20] <DarkwingDuck> YES!
[05:20] <DarkwingDuck> Looks like I'll be helping organize SCaLE
[05:21] <philipballew> ^ nice!
[05:23] <kdub__> thats great :D
[05:24] <pleia2> aaditya: thanks!
[05:25] <pleia2> aaditya: our tables look good, thanks :)
[05:26] <pleia2> I picked up bungees, orange duct tape and plastic orange tablecloths tonight :)
[05:27] <aaditya> sounds good!
[05:27] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, how many banners do we have these days?
[05:27]  * kdub__ departs
[05:28] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: the ubuntu california one and the generic new branding one we just got from canonical
[05:28] <DarkwingDuck> How generic is generic?
[05:29] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: giant, orange, says ubuntu :)
[05:29] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5879531327/
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, Think I could get that one down here for events?
[05:29] <DarkwingDuck> Or, one of them?
[05:30] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: we ship them back and forth for events, so if you have a booth/table event we'll ship one down
[05:30] <DarkwingDuck> Jam?
[05:30] <DarkwingDuck> NM
[05:30] <DarkwingDuck> I'll let you know when we finally have an event in SD.
[05:30] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[05:31] <pleia2> I could try, I don't have a tube big enough for the generic ubuntu one yet
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> Don't worry about it...
[05:31]  * DarkwingDuck has an idea
[05:31] <pleia2> we have the solano stroll on the 11th, will probably use the california one for that
[05:31]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> The venue I'm looking at for Ubuntu Hours has a projector. :D
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just project a banner.
[05:32] <pleia2> nice!
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, http://www.cafelibertalia.com/wordpress/
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> From the way it looks I might be able to live stream hours :D
[05:34] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: oh nice
[05:34] <DarkwingDuck> plus, the coffee is cheap!
[05:36] <pleia2> even better :)
[05:37] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, stream hours? :)
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> Why not?
[05:37] <philipballew> i dont see a reason. It seems really cool
[05:37] <philipballew> what would that look like?
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> have like a 30 min talk each week on a different subject then 30 min of hacking/helping people.
[05:38] <DarkwingDuck> Bribe Jono to fly down to SD :P:P
[05:38] <pleia2> haha, he doesn't even come to our events!
[05:38] <philipballew> id be down. we need to make him come!!!
[05:39] <pleia2> philipballew: coming out to the linux picnic saturday?
[05:39] <philipballew> pleia2, will be in sd then. :)
[05:40] <pleia2> ah ok, have a safe trip then!
[05:40] <philipballew> driving off at 4am tomorow
[05:40] <pleia2> nice
[05:40] <pleia2> should get some sleep :)
[05:40]  * philipballew should probably start packing
[05:41] <pleia2> lol
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, sleep time.
[05:42] <DarkwingDuck> Night guys
[05:47] <nhaines> philipballew: drive safe!
[05:50] <philipballew> just set up my ubuntu server here so i can have an offsite server to deal with the schools crappy Internet
[05:52] <philipballew> nhaines, its not to long of a drive. but the gap of sacramento to the grape vine is pretty boring
[05:53] <sn9> if boring bothers you, take 99
[05:55] <philipballew> is it as fast
[05:56] <sn9> no
[05:56] <sn9> not by any stretch
[05:57] <philipballew> yeah. fresno is always there to stop at
[05:58] <sn9> chinese restaurants in fresno still have "chop suey" on the menu
[06:04] <philipballew> wonder why...
[06:15] <sn9> people there like it
[07:04] <aaditya> At the Linux Picnic, there is extra space kept aside for an Install Fest if there's enough volunteers willing to run one.
[09:49] <bkerensa> .
[09:51] <philipballew> thats deep bkerensa
[09:52] <bkerensa> i was testing to see if anyone is awake
[09:52] <bkerensa> :P
[09:53] <philipballew> well you found me!
[09:55] <bkerensa> and now I must fall asleep :P
[16:47] <bkerensa> :)
[16:51] <pleia2> hurricanes--
[16:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: Far away
[16:54] <pleia2> bkerensa: I am a sysadmin for a company on the east coast and I'm on call this weekend
[16:54] <pleia2> so, not far away :(
[16:55] <bkerensa> pleia2: 0.0 I thought you live in the Bay Area
[16:55]  * bkerensa is confused
[16:55] <pleia2> I do, I telecommute
[16:55] <bkerensa> Oh
[16:55] <pleia2> when I moved out here last year I kept my philly job
[16:56] <pleia2> telecommuted when I lived there too, just saw my boss more often :)
[16:56] <bkerensa> seems like a expensive arrangement for them but thats kinda cool
[16:56] <bkerensa> :D
[16:56] <pleia2> not expensive at all
[16:56] <bkerensa> well don't you have Network Engineers?
[16:56] <bkerensa> on-site?
[16:58] <pleia2> no, we're a tiny consulting firm, mostly deploy little debian servers around philly doing firewall, mail, web
[16:58] <pleia2> and manage them
[16:59] <bkerensa> oh cool.... Well philly shouldnt get hit... Atleast I would hope not
[16:59] <pleia2> we rarely need to send people on site, and when we do I was only that person for the first couple of years I was there, I play the senior sysadmin now, too valuable to run on site and fix things anyway
[16:59] <pleia2> they're calling for 10 inches of rain in philly, it'll be a mess
[16:59] <pleia2> all the supermarkets are insane :)
[17:00] <bkerensa> hmm
[17:00] <bkerensa> I wish all the west coast loco's could have a once a year get together
[17:00] <bkerensa> :P
[17:01] <pleia2> yeah, it's called oscon :)
[17:01] <pleia2> or scale, we had quite the impressive representation at scale
[17:01] <pleia2> (nhaines ran an ubucon there)
[17:04] <bkerensa> cool
[17:12] <nhaines> Yeah, I'm starting to plan for Ubucon at SCaLE again already.
[17:12] <pleia2> \o/
[17:13] <nhaines> So far, I mostly just plan to think about it tomorrow.  ;)
[17:13] <pleia2> hehe
[17:13] <nhaines> I'd really like to spend some time and put some work into ubucon.org.
[17:15] <nhaines> Not that static HTML and CSS isn't fun and all...
[17:16] <bkerensa> \o/ You guys need to come visit your friends up in the Beaver State
[17:16] <bkerensa> :D
[17:17] <akk> Is that OR? A bunch of people did just visit there, for OSCON.
[17:18] <bkerensa> Yeah OR
[17:18] <bkerensa> :D
[17:18] <bkerensa> Only people I saw from loco were from WA
[17:18] <bkerensa> :D
[17:19] <nhaines> I'm half afraid I'll just be reimplementing LD with ubucon.org...
[17:19] <bkerensa> Surely nobody from CA Loco visited the Ubuntu booth at OSCON :o
[17:19] <nhaines> On the other hand, LD is hellbent on being LoCo-only so maybe I can just do it better.
[17:20] <pleia2> bkerensa: MarkDude wasn't there?
[17:20]  * bkerensa coughs
[17:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well yes but he was listed as our loco contact :) and is a fedora fanboy :P
[17:20] <pleia2> well he's part of our team
[17:21] <akk> LD?
[17:21] <nhaines> akk: LoCo Directory
[17:21] <MarkDude> I have a title bkerensa
[17:21] <pleia2> even if people didn't strictly identify themselves as california members, a lot of people from california were up there
[17:21] <bkerensa> pleia2: Oh :)
[17:21] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I know :D
[17:21] <MarkDude> North America Regional Ambadassador Mentor
[17:22] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Does Chris go to Ubuntu Cali stuff ever?
[17:22] <MarkDude> NO
[17:23] <MarkDude> Pretty much never
[17:23] <MarkDude> dates back a few years
[17:23]  * MarkDude will not mention details
[17:23] <bkerensa> :P
[17:24] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I think I got 25-30 people going to global jam so far.... Now I'm just trying to get Canonical people to come out of the woods :D
[17:25] <bkerensa> In fact one guy from NC Loco is coming he just moved here and is a sysadmin at my fiancee's work
[17:45] <MarkDude> NC?
[17:45] <MarkDude> Make usre to speak sloooooooowly
[17:45] <MarkDude> trolololo
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> Holy wow.
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> That's awesome.
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> We are on for Global Jam SD
[18:54] <pleia2> yay!
[18:54] <DarkwingDuck> Get this...
[18:55] <DarkwingDuck> I call the venue we were looking at. Come to find out the co-owner is an Ubuntu user and will support any way possible.
[18:55] <pleia2> :D
[18:55] <DarkwingDuck> They are freaking out about it. LOL
[18:55] <pleia2> win!
[18:56] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, they will post flyers in windows and advertise for us as much as possible for the Jam and we are going to start holding Ubuntu Hours twice a month.
[18:56]  * DarkwingDuck goes to update the directory
[18:57] <pleia2> sweet
[19:01] <akk> yay!
[19:14] <pleia2> jdeslip: you linked to last year's solano stroll loco directory event :)
[19:15]  * pleia2 removes link for now
[19:28] <DarkwingDuck> BRB, Oneiric update reboot.
[20:04] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2, ping
[20:05] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: pong
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> You have links for flyers for Ubuntu Cali in ungrouped SVGs?
[20:06] <pleia2> ungrouped?
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> So I can edit them
[20:06] <pleia2> everything I have is here:  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california
[20:06] <pleia2> yeah they're all editable
[20:07] <DarkwingDuck> TY
[20:26] <MarkDude> Jono you going to the picnic tomoroow
[20:26] <MarkDude> ?
[20:26] <MarkDude> If not- how is next tuesday to meet uo
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude, check this... http://www.sdtechscene.org/ look in Sept 3rd
[20:42] <nhaines> pleia2: ping
[20:42] <pleia2> nhaines: pong
[20:42] <nhaines> pleia2: I got an email from someone yesterday who wanted to know if the San Francisco meetings every fourth Tuesday of the month at 6pm at the Roastery are still happening.  He wants to drop in for some installation advice.
[20:43] <pleia2> nhaines: it's never been the 4th tuesday, it's the 2nd wednesday
[20:44] <pleia2> (if it's listed as 4th tuesday anywhere I'd be interested to know so I can fix it)
[20:44] <nhaines> pleia2: I see.  :)  Next meeting is September 14th?
[20:44] <nhaines> Well, it's listed as 4th Tuesday in his email.. so I guess we should take a look, heh.
[20:44] <pleia2> nhaines: yep
[20:45] <pleia2> on /Hour and /CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours it's 2nd Wednesday
[20:45] <pleia2> not sure where else it would be :\
[20:45] <nhaines> pleia2: I'll ask him.  Sounds like he just wants someone to look over his shoulder as he installs using Wubi.  Is there anything sooner I can point him to?  He's in Berkeley.  Where's the picnic?
[20:45]  * pleia2 should fix /Hour to remove notes about april and may though
[20:45]  * nhaines should fix /Hour to remove mention of "every Thursdays".
[20:46] <pleia2> nhaines: picnic is near mountain view so it's far from berkeley, berkeleylug.org meets on sunday, very friendly crowd :)
[20:46] <pleia2> http://www.berkeleylug.com/?page_id=67
[20:47] <pleia2> we're also having our solano stroll event in berkeley on september 11th, but it would be hard to do installs there
[20:47] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/SolanoStroll2011
[20:47] <pleia2> I want to go to berkeleylug on sunday, but this hurricane may ruin my weekend to the point of making that impossible
[20:48] <nhaines> pleia2: blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah.
[20:49] <pleia2> I wish I could laugh about it :) it's really quite annoying
[20:49] <nhaines> I wanted to go hiking but there are supposed to be isolated thundershowers in the San Gabriel Mountains this weekend.
[20:49] <nhaines> I'm going anyway though.  If humans don't ignore nature, who will?
[20:49] <pleia2> lol
[20:49] <pleia2> servers don't fix themselves :(
[20:52] <bkerensa> pleia2: Does Google still have the nametag make in their visitor lounge?
[20:52] <pleia2> bkerensa: I'm not familiar with the visitor lounge
[20:52] <bkerensa> oh
[20:52] <pleia2> but visitors do still need to sign in and wear a nametag
[20:53] <bkerensa> Yeah :)
[20:53] <bkerensa> At Intel they just give you a plastic badge with rfid embedded
[21:10] <DarkwingDuck> Well, this is strange.
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> There we go.
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> Jam notices sent.
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> *rubs eyes*
[21:23] <DarkwingDuck> It's on the Calendar for http://www.sdtechscene.org/ and http://www.cafelibertalia.com/calendar/month.php
[21:23] <DarkwingDuck> Will be printing flyers and getting them out in the next couple days.
[21:31] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: there is a message in the ml queue, delete or let through?
[21:31] <pleia2> (I see a similar one went through)
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> The one in the queue has the flyer... Can you put that through too?
[21:32] <pleia2> not in love with sending attachments via the mailing list
[21:32] <pleia2> how big is it?
[21:33] <pleia2> ah, 151325 bytes
[21:33] <pleia2> 150k is ok
[21:34] <pleia2> still, we shouldn't make a habit of it, flyers really should be uploaded to the wiki or put into bzr
[21:34] <DarkwingDuck> Don't worry about it then. :)
[21:35] <pleia2> it's already let through
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> Loco Contacts put it through :P:P
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> I think...
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Lyz... I wont do it again.
[21:35] <pleia2> no, they didn't
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> NM
[21:36]  * DarkwingDuck grins
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> Now, to get everything else ready
[21:36]  * pleia2 picked up flowers! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6083387363/
[21:36] <pleia2> for picnic tomorrow :)
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> I saw that :)
[21:38] <pleia2> now I need to make cookie dough for the android cookies
[22:34] <bkerensa> DarkwingDuck: You should e-mail LinuxJournal they will list the event too :)
[22:40] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: that flyer should've been a PDF not a PNG!
[22:40] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines, You are correct.
[22:40] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[22:41] <nhaines> Inkscape these days doesn't leave much excuse.  :)
[22:41] <DarkwingDuck> LOL Very very true.
[22:41] <DarkwingDuck> You want to make a trip to SD?
[22:41] <nhaines> I am considering it!
[22:43] <DarkwingDuck> Awesome!
[22:44] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: thanks for saving us from a jamless cycle :)
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[22:45] <DarkwingDuck> bkerensa, Thanks for the heads up.
[22:47] <grantbow> jono isn't doing one?
[22:48] <pleia2> grantbow: I haven't heard anything from him
[22:48] <pleia2> and nothing in the loco directory
[22:48] <grantbow> k
[22:49] <pleia2> sorry about the dagobah outage, ramhost typical suckiness
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe I can talk jono to coming to San Diego.
[22:56] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[22:57] <DarkwingDuck> They like music at the cafe. LOL
[23:04] <pleia2> lol
[23:37] <DarkwingDuck> twitter, FB, Blogs and G+ all spammed. We are having a Jam :D
[23:40] <pleia2> :)


[05:48] <fabbione> ok the log bot is up and running
[05:48] <fabbione> logs will start to appear on the web within the next hour or so
[09:15] <carthik> I am unable to checkout the bzr Planet Ubuntu config files to add a blog to the planet - can someone help (sorry don't know where else to ask, really)


[07:58] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> hey there everybody
[08:17] <didrocks> good morning
[08:37] <ion> Does anyone have working Gtk appmenus anymore in unity-2d-panel? Qt appmenus still seem to work.
[10:18] <smspillaz> murrayc: ping
[10:20] <murrayc> smspillaz: pong
[10:23] <smspillaz> murrayc: seems that glibmm destroys all of your sources once the mainloop exits. is that the intended behaviour?
[10:24] <smspillaz> since I store them in PrivateScreen, and when PrivateScreen gets destroyed, it calls ::unreference () on the sources (Glib::RefPtr <> does this) and then segfaults because the sources are already gone
[10:24] <murrayc> They would be destroyed when the C object is destroyed, meaning when their refcount gets to 0.
[10:25] <murrayc> I doubt that anything explicitly destroys them before the refcount gets to 0.
[10:25] <murrayc> valgrind would tell you.
[10:26] <smspillaz> murrayc:  valgrind says they're being destroyed on g_main_context_dispatch (I assume when the mainloop has quit)
[10:27] <smspillaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573388/'
[10:27] <smspillaz> erm
[10:27] <smspillaz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/573388/
[10:28] <murrayc> That's missing some detail. Maybe you dont' have the debug packages installed.
[10:28] <murrayc> I don't think that really tells you what is happening.
[10:29] <smspillaz> murrayc: I know :) Just I know that something weird is up :)
[10:29] <smspillaz> nevertheless, I was going to get the -dbg stuff, getting it now
[10:30] <murrayc> It might just be a missing reference() somewhere, if we are lucky.
[10:31] <smspillaz> murrayc: yeah. I first tried to ->reference () when I create all the sources, though, that doesn't help
[10:31] <murrayc> smspillaz: It's also possible that it's not the source itself, but something of yours that uses it, that's being double-deleted.
[10:32] <murrayc> If it doesn't become clear then a simple test case is the logical debug step.
[10:32] <smspillaz> murrayc: indeed
[10:33] <smspillaz> murrayc: I checked for wrong uses of ::reset () and ::clear () too ... nothing there ...
[11:40] <dbarth> apinheiro: ping?
[11:40] <apinheiro> dbarth, pong?
[12:07] <rodrigo_> njpatel, from a PanelIndicatorObjectView, how do I get the indicator id from it? GetName is protected, and can't find anything else
[12:10] <njpatel> rodrigo_, _entry->GetId ()
[12:10] <njpatel> rodrigo_, _proxy->GetId ()
[12:10] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:11] <njpatel> it's public (_proxy)
[12:11] <rodrigo_> _proxy on the PanelIndicatorObjectView? it's protected
[12:12] <rodrigo_> ah, from the EntryView
[12:14] <njpatel> right
[12:29] <artfwo> May I ask indicator applet developers here to review a merge proposal for bug 724917 - it's highly annoying and a fix is available for a couple of days
[12:49] <apinheiro> dbarth, in the end, after the last changes on nux and unity, it would be not required that custom script on orca
[12:49] <apinheiro> I have tested it, and orca properly speech the selection changes
[12:50] <apinheiro> when you start the key nav mode on Launcher
[12:50] <apinheiro> rodrigo_ is reviewing that branch
[12:50] <apinheiro> but, could any other one review it?
[12:50] <apinheiro> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro/unity/atk-selection/+merge/51440
[12:50] <apinheiro> as I also made some changes on the Launcher
[12:50] <apinheiro> njpatel, ^^
[12:52] <njpatel> apinheiro, yep, i'll ask macslow to review it before release
[12:52] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok thanks
[12:52] <njpatel> MacSlow|lunch, when your back and while your waiting for smspillaz, please review ^
[13:21] <dbarth> apinheiro: ah awesome, so that shows that the changes are all coming together
[13:24] <klattimer> njpatel: anything you know of that could be causing the unity launcher to be sliding in and out really fast?
[13:24] <njpatel> klattimer, yep, it's a known (and fixed in trunk) bug
[13:24] <klattimer> njpatel: how long until it'll be out?
[13:24] <njpatel> klattimer, just unity --replace a few times and it'll sort itself out
[13:24] <klattimer> hmm, ok
[13:24] <njpatel> klattimer, dude *never* ask that question on feature freeze day ;)
[13:24] <njpatel> klattimer, later on today
[13:24] <njpatel> well, not FF day
[13:25] <njpatel> but last-day-before-your-banned-from-uploading-day
[13:25] <ogra> you can upload all the time :)
[13:26] <ogra> it will just hang in the queue until fater milestone release
[13:26] <ogra> ;)
[13:26] <njpatel> heh
[13:59] <MacSlow> njpatel, apinheiro: ok
[13:59] <njpatel> thanks!
[14:00] <nmarques> kenvandine, ping
[14:00] <kenvandine> nmarques, pong
[14:01] <nmarques> kenvandine, those 2 patches did wonders and also fixed a glitch on transmission with the indicator
[14:01] <kenvandine> woot
[14:01] <nmarques> kenvandine, but I noticed I still have one problem
[14:02] <nmarques> kenvandine, on indicator-me, if you open empathy through indicator-messages, it doesn't allow you to change status on indicator-me, unless you restart the applet (with empathy already opened) or kill the gnome-panel
[14:02] <kenvandine> humm, not having that problem here
[14:03] <kenvandine> oh wait
[14:04] <nmarques> kenvandine, it happened after the dbusmenu update
[14:04] <kenvandine> maybe i am
[14:04] <nmarques> before that was doing fine :)
[14:04] <kenvandine> ok, this looks like the same bug we are seeing with menus that aren't sensitive
[14:05] <kenvandine> i didn't notice because i had done a killall indicator-me-service last night after empathy was running :)
[14:06] <nmarques> it's cool, I noticed it by pure luck also
[14:06] <kenvandine> there are a couple places where this is happening
[14:06] <kenvandine> this might be an easier place for me to debug it... will look
[14:06] <nmarques> kenvandine, mind of a question regarding appmenu?
[14:06] <kenvandine> was waiting for tedg to get back from scale
[14:06] <kenvandine> sure
[14:07] <nmarques> kenvandine, some applications if the window is destroyed the appmenu indicator doesn't display the menu anymore
[14:07] <nmarques> I've noticed this on 2 apps
[14:07] <nmarques> empathy (contact list is destroyed) and if then is opened it doesn't populate the menu
[14:07]  * kenvandine tries
[14:07] <nmarques> and only the File/close entry is displayes
[14:08] <nmarques> empathy has a similar behavior
[14:08] <nmarques> ups, I mean Banshee
[14:08] <kenvandine> yeah, that has been happening for a while
[14:08] <kenvandine> i had only seen it in empathy
[14:08] <nmarques> well I'm running Banshee 1.8.0 which is the one shipped on openSUSE 11.4
[14:08]  * aruiz ponders the idea of buying boycottnvidia.com
[14:08] <kenvandine> there is a bug about it, one of the many things we'll get to now that we are past feature freeze :)
[14:09] <kenvandine> aruiz, awesome :)
[14:09] <MacSlow> aruiz, :)
[14:09] <nmarques> aruiz, they don't care :)
[14:09] <kenvandine> aruiz, i boycotted them years ago, worked great for me
[14:09] <kenvandine> :)
[14:09] <aruiz> nmarques: I'll make them care
[14:09] <MacSlow> aruiz, I still love them for their robust GL-driver
[14:09] <nmarques> aruiz, I had 4 different motherboard on one of my laptops with a G86 running over 82ºC
[14:10] <kenvandine> intel graphics might not be as awesome... but it is generally pretty painless :)
[14:10] <nmarques> aruiz, they never cared ;)
[14:10] <nmarques> aruiz, I never bought nvidia again
[14:10]  * aruiz misses the 3Dfx days
[14:11] <nmarques> aruiz, amen to that brother!
[14:11] <MacSlow> aruiz, hey they are part of nvidia now
[14:11] <aruiz> MacSlow: I know
[14:11] <aruiz> RIP
[14:12] <nmarques> kenvandine, I'll hold a bit, once the fixes are out, I'm going to freeze this for 11.4 and start hasting on passing everything to GNOME3 and retake unity (hopefully Sam will merge the glib branch meanwhile)
[14:12] <nmarques> kenvandine, if you guys also need help with testing, let me know, I can for sure help with that either on Ubuntu or *SUSE
[14:12] <kenvandine> i think he did and actually did a release
[14:12] <kenvandine> at least i know they were working on that last week
[14:13] <kenvandine> nmarques, we always want testing :)
[14:13] <nmarques> kenvandine, I've had very good feedback from this
[14:14] <kenvandine> nmarques, great
[14:32] <MacSlow> apinheiro, -> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro/unity/atk-selection/+merge/51440
[14:33] <apinheiro> MacSlow, see my last comment
[14:33] <apinheiro> I was able to solve that crashes
[14:33] <apinheiro> and I updated the branch since then
[14:34] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ups... didn't see that :)
[14:34] <MacSlow> just pulled and didn't further look at the commit-history :)
[14:35] <apinheiro> yeah, I know that normally you don't update the branch until the review of others ;)
[14:35] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ok
[14:35] <MacSlow> apinheiro, approved
[14:35] <apinheiro> MacSlow, ok, thanks
[14:36] <apinheiro> I will merge it, although I guess that I'm out of time now
[14:36] <apinheiro> I guess that the deadline was 30 minutes ago
[14:37] <MacSlow> apinheiro, ask njpatel if it's still good to go in
[14:37] <apinheiro> njpatel, you here?
[14:38] <njpatel> hey
[14:38] <njpatel> apinheiro, yes, please merge it
[14:38] <apinheiro> njpatel, ok
[14:47] <kenvandine> kamstrup, is it a bug that setting an emblem on a launcher icon changes the background color?
[14:49] <kamstrup> kenvandine: i was just wondering that this morning...
[14:49] <kamstrup> kenvandine: I think it maybe happens because of unity's intelligent background color choosing
[14:49] <kamstrup> kenvandine: it sees the icon change and think's it should recalc the bg color, but I think it's a bug
[14:50] <kamstrup> kenvandine: although I think DBO will be the authoritative person to ask here
[14:51] <kenvandine> ok, i will file a bug either way to document it
[14:51] <kenvandine> it has to be a bug :)
[14:51] <kenvandine> hiding the emblem doesn't reset the color
[14:57] <kenvandine> kamstrup, i filed it against libunity, since that is where the problem is exposed... but i am sure the bug is actually in unity
[14:58] <rodrigo_> njpatel, can I get a 2nd review of this: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/ref-state-set-for-panel-service/+merge/50955 please?
[14:58] <rodrigo_> njpatel, also, have you already done today's release?
[14:58]  * kenvandine is surprised how few bugs there are against libunity
[14:58] <nmarques> guys, what would be the best place to provide a 'Wishlist' 'bug report' regarding the whole indicators (maybe not indicator-appmenu, but all the others) ?
[15:01] <njpatel> rodrigo_, I haven't done today's release yet
[15:02] <njpatel> rodrigo_, I can't review right now, will find someone to do it, hold up
[15:02] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok, so please review that branch and this other one: https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/accessible-name-for-indicators/+merge/51120 so that they are included in the release, please?
[15:02] <rodrigo_> njpatel, ok
[15:03] <artfwo> guys, while you are at it, could you also review this merge proposal? https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/libappindicator/fix-for-bug-724917/+merge/51411
[15:22] <kenvandine> klattimer, are you aware of any problems with indicator-datetime not displaying all appointments?
[15:22] <klattimer> kenvandine: not to my knowedge
[15:23] <kenvandine> i have appointments on my calendar for almost everyday this week
[15:23] <klattimer> kenvandine: it updates every 5 minutes now, and updates on start
[15:23] <kenvandine> but only a couple of them are displayed
[15:23] <klattimer> rather than about-to-show
[15:23] <kenvandine> none of these are new
[15:23] <klattimer> hmm
[15:23] <klattimer> have you just rebooted?
[15:24] <kenvandine> no
[15:24] <kenvandine> i restarted the service
[15:24] <kenvandine> and it didn't make a difference
[15:24] <klattimer> kenvandine: if you could watch the output from the indicator-service
[15:24] <kenvandine> i see lots of these
[15:24] <kenvandine> (process:4109): Indicator-Datetime-DEBUG: Appointment timezone: (null)
[15:24] <klattimer> that should tell what's happening
[15:24] <kenvandine> i never see debug output for the appointments that aren't being displayed
[15:24] <kenvandine> and i see dupes of everything except the last one
[15:25] <kenvandine> (process:4109): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[15:25] <kenvandine> and that right after it says it is adding it
[15:25] <kenvandine> but that last one is from this coming friday
[15:25] <Omega> One Time Pad, best cipher there is :)
[15:25] <kenvandine> i have a bunch before friday that aren't showing up
[15:25] <klattimer> kenvandine: do you see any "Summary: title of appointment"
[15:26] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:26]  * klattimer hopes he doesn't have to distro patch this :/
[15:26] <kenvandine> and i am only seeing those for the ones i am seeing in the menu
[15:27] <klattimer> kenvandine: are there _ANY_ appointments showing?
[15:27] <kenvandine> yes
[15:27] <kenvandine> 5
[15:27] <klattimer> that's how many you should see
[15:27] <klattimer> there is a maximum of 5 displayed at a time in the spec
[15:27] <kenvandine> ugh... but i am seeing some for friday
[15:27] <kenvandine> but not any for today!
[15:27] <klattimer> they'll change as they pass through their time
[15:27] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you work out which?
[15:28] <klattimer> it *might* be that your google calendars are lagging a lot
[15:28] <kenvandine> i see it on the calendar
[15:28] <kenvandine> and it isn't new
[15:28] <kenvandine> it is a recurring one every monday
[15:28] <klattimer> kenvandine: which source does it come from?
[15:28] <kenvandine> my work calendar (google)
[15:28] <klattimer> (seeing it in the calendar means nothing as eds is strange)
[15:28] <kenvandine> i see others from that calendar
[15:28] <kenvandine> later in the week
[15:29] <klattimer> hmm
[15:29] <klattimer> then that is strange
[15:29] <kenvandine> could it be timezone related?
[15:29] <kenvandine> they are getting (null) for the timezone
[15:29] <klattimer> kenvandine: unlikely
[15:29] <kenvandine> ok
[15:29] <klattimer> I'm thinking it might be timer related
[15:30] <kenvandine> and actually the ones not being displayed are from 3 different calendars
[15:30] <kenvandine> including the default local one
[15:30] <klattimer> looks like the timer isn't actually running at all
[15:33] <klattimer> kenvandine: can you look through the initialisation debug
[15:33] <klattimer> and tell me if you see it failing on google source?
[15:33] <kenvandine> sure
[15:34] <klattimer> also kenvandine is this the most upto date i.e. with the newest libido and indicator-datetime from trunk?
[15:34] <kenvandine> from natty
[15:34] <klattimer> hmm, the timer _is_ running, except for some reason it stopped
[15:34] <kenvandine> which afaik is the same
[15:35] <klattimer> kenvandine: there should be an update coming today actually
[15:35] <kenvandine> i don't see failures loading a calendar
[15:35] <klattimer> hmm
[15:35] <kenvandine> but... does it aggregate all the events together before sorting them?
[15:35] <klattimer> then it's not my code
[15:35] <klattimer> chances are something is wrong with either eds or google
[15:35] <klattimer> kenvandine: it does, all of them are an aggregate and sorted by time
[15:35] <kenvandine> perhaps it is showing me 5 from one calendar and truncating?
[15:35] <kenvandine> ok
[15:37] <kenvandine> oh... how does it sort?
[15:37] <kenvandine> by startdate?
[15:37] <kenvandine> i have lots of recurring appointments
[15:37] <klattimer> kenvandine: yeah
[15:37] <klattimer> or due
[15:37] <kenvandine> ah!
[15:37] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, ping
[15:37] <rodrigo_> MacSlow, pong
[15:37] <kenvandine> so the ones displayed all have startdates of 2009...
[15:37] <klattimer> kenvandine: basically it's sorted by the time which would display in the menu
[15:37] <klattimer> kenvandine: that's interesting
[15:38] <klattimer> i wonder why :/
[15:38] <kenvandine> klattimer, so you need to sort it by a different field
[15:38] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, there are two branches you've against unity... which do you need review-eyes on still?
[15:38] <kenvandine> recurring ones must have more data in there for next occurance or something
[15:38]  * kenvandine files a bug
[15:38] <rodrigo_> MacSlow, https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/ref-state-set-for-panel-service/+merge/50955 and https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/accessible-name-for-indicators/+merge/51120
[15:38] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, both then ok
[15:42] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, approved with small commend -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/accessible-name-for-indicators/+merge/51120
[15:43] <klattimer> kenvandine: not sure how this can be fixed
[15:43] <klattimer> it'll take a while to look into it
[15:43] <klattimer> can you file a bug
[15:43] <kenvandine> done
[15:43] <kenvandine> bug 726603
[15:43] <rodrigo_> MacSlow, ok
[15:45] <kenvandine> klattimer, i marked it as High because people might trust that upcoming appointments are actually being displayed :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> klattimer, i missed a call myself... love brand new code :)
[15:45] <klattimer> :P
[15:48] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, same on the other branch... just add the sanity-check against NULL... see comment -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/unity/ref-state-set-for-panel-service/+merge/50955
[15:48] <MacSlow> rodrigo_, but approved
[15:48] <rodrigo_> MacSlow, ok thanks!
[15:53] <didrocks> apinheiro_afk: thing to ping us please when a branch is merged in trunk in case the milestone isn't set: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/723806
[15:53] <didrocks> that helps tracking a lot :)
[15:55] <apinheiro> didrocks, checking ...
[15:56] <apinheiro> didrocks, ups, yes, you already told that the last week
[15:56] <apinheiro> sorry
[15:57] <didrocks> no worry, just a kind reminder :)
[15:57] <apinheiro> didrocks, so this also applies to bugs 723804 and 722660
[15:57] <apinheiro> right?
[15:57] <didrocks> apinheiro: right, targeting then :)
[15:58] <rodrigo_> didrocks, can you set the milestone for today's release to https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/715299 please?
[15:58] <didrocks> sure :)
[15:58] <rodrigo_> merci beaucoup
[15:58] <didrocks> rodrigo_: it was already done
[15:58] <didrocks> mais de rien :)
[15:58] <rodrigo_> ah, cool
[15:58] <didrocks> thanks apinheiro and rodrigo_!
[15:59] <apinheiro> didrocks, to you, that made the work
[15:59] <didrocks> rodrigo_: basically, if it was already milestoned and we missed the target, we report it for next release automatically
[16:00] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:00] <rodrigo_> when is the release going to be done?
[16:00] <rodrigo_> I have a branch almost done for a couple more bugs, although I need some time to test
[16:05] <didrocks> rodrigo_: in 30 minutes approx.
[16:06] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll leave it then for next release then
[16:07] <a3Dman> didrocks, what would be the version?
[16:07] <klattimer> seb128: not an indicator datetime bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/699655
[16:07] <seb128> klattimer, reassing it then?
[16:08] <klattimer> seb128: wasn't assigned to me
[16:08] <klattimer> just noticed your comment and added my own to clarify
[16:08] <klattimer> move it to "gnome-panel"
[16:08] <seb128> k
[16:08] <lamalex> what the hell, scrolling in qt creator isn't working on 1 file
[16:08] <seb128> right, that's what I meant by reassign, move it to the right source
[16:11] <kenvandine> klattimer, ok, i think it isn't necessarily startdate in the recurring ones
[16:11] <kenvandine> i think the sort is just broken
[16:11] <jcastro> njpatel: is today dash day?
[16:11] <kenvandine> klattimer, i bumped it up to display 20 instead of 5
[16:11] <njpatel> jcastro, today dash day
[16:12] <klattimer> kenvandine: well, that's a strange bug then :/
[16:12] <kenvandine> and the order is all over the place, fri, tues, fri, mon, wed, fri, mon
[16:12] <klattimer> hmm, that _IS_ weird
[16:12] <klattimer> maybe something went wrong with my sort :/
[16:12] <kenvandine> that is what i am thinking
[16:12] <didrocks> a3Dman: look at http://launchpad.net/unity, the milestone says 3.6 :)
[16:12] <klattimer> I can't see how
[16:12] <klattimer> unless something weird happened with the lists or something :/
[16:12] <klattimer> I'll try and fix it
[16:12] <kenvandine> thx
[16:12] <kenvandine> i think it has to be that
[16:13] <kenvandine> clearly e_cal_component_get_dtstart
[16:13] <kenvandine> clearly e_cal_component_get_dtstart is returning the correct time, it is displayed right
[16:13] <njpatel> jcastro,  http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/Screenshot-2.png
[16:13] <kenvandine> just broken sort
[16:14] <jcastro> nice
[16:14] <jcastro> I see multi monitor got sorted too?
[16:14] <njpatel> somewhat
[16:14] <njpatel> I'm going to try and fix it up better now
[16:15] <kenvandine> klattimer, i haven't completely ruled out recurring appointments being a factor... since most of mine are
[16:15] <klattimer> kenvandine: ok
[16:15] <kenvandine> klattimer, perhaps you can test that if you don't have many recurring ones now
[16:15] <kenvandine> add a bunch or something
[16:15] <klattimer> I'll see what I can work out
[16:15] <kenvandine> thx!
[16:25] <rodrigo_> hmm, anyone has an example of running glib-genmarshal (or any other command that generates files) in cmake? I've tried a couple of things with no success
[16:28] <om26er> didrocks, there seems to be a regression in the auto-hide behavior of the launcher. a few weeks ago you fixed it so that when you press and hold the super key the launcher shows and as soon as the hand is lifted from the key launcher hides, its not the case anymore. now the launcher stays for a second and then hides
[16:30] <didrocks> om26er: right, I think I commented that somewhere. As now there is the super + click to hide the launcher, we rewrapped this decision
[16:30] <didrocks> it's on a bug, but part of deep archeology seeking :)
[16:30] <jcastro> kenvandine: did you ever get the python stuff working with quicklists and libunity?
[16:31] <kenvandine> not quicklists
[16:31] <didrocks> jcastro: it doesn't, there is still some work to do on an override
[16:31] <kenvandine> but it wouldn't work in vala either
[16:31] <jcastro> ok
[16:31] <kenvandine> didrocks, ^^
[16:31] <jcastro> but mikkel knows right?
[16:31] <didrocks> I packaged the first part, pitti will finish some fixes :)
[16:31] <nmarques> anyone has a link for 64bit Natty devel snapshot?
[16:31] <didrocks> jcastro: right, I worked on that with him last week
[16:31] <jcastro> nmarques: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: the quicklist part is still not plugged btw
[16:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: I will work on that after alt + f2
[16:31]  * nmarques bows before jcastro
[16:32] <kenvandine> ok :)
[16:38] <klattimer> kenvandine: I think I might have found a slight hole which could be causing it
[16:38] <klattimer> if I push a branch will you test and grab the debug output for me and attach it to the bug you filed?
[16:38] <kenvandine> sure
[16:40] <dbarth> apinheiro, rodrigo_: well done for the upload, i'll let you guys mark the work items done now in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y
[16:40] <apinheiro> dbarth, there are still time for a little addition in this upload?
[16:41] <didrocks> mpt: hey
[16:42] <didrocks> mpt: with your designer and HIG hat, can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/507964 please?
[16:42] <mpt> didrocks, sure
[16:43] <didrocks> (also, that can be linked with the https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/723273 discussion)
[16:44] <mpt> didrocks, that's more of a JohnLea question
[16:44] <didrocks> mpt: for the second one or the first one?
[16:44] <mpt> I don't know whether Unity even has a "desktop" to switch between
[16:44] <mpt> It doesn't have multiple panels to switch between.
[16:45] <mpt> first one
[16:45] <didrocks> mpt: right, but the compiz default affects both sessions
[16:45] <didrocks> (there is just one panel in unity, but we still have the two ones in the classic session)
[16:49] <ronoc> DanRabbit, how are those icons coming along ?
[16:49] <ronoc> might be disconnected in a minute
[16:49] <mpt> didrocks, heh
[16:51] <apinheiro> didrocks, I have some problems after your last commits
[16:51] <apinheiro> using Alt+f1 Im not able to give the focus to the launcher
[16:51] <klattimer> kenvandine: lp:~karl-qdh/indicator-datetime/sort-debugging
[16:51] <kenvandine> thx
[16:51] <klattimer> kenvandine: what we're looking for is "E-Cal Component is neither an event or a todo"
[16:51] <apinheiro> it is set on nautilus (in my case)
[16:52] <klattimer> because if that's the case it'll tend to sort them to the end
[16:53] <didrocks> apinheiro: can you get a test case? I'm using it right now and alt + F1 set it to the launcher here
[16:53] <apinheiro> didrocks, hmm, I need a nux update?
[16:54] <apinheiro> I did that on the morning
[16:54] <apinheiro> 11:00 am more or less
[16:54] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, latest nux, but unity should even not built without it
[16:54] <didrocks> ok, no, should be ok
[16:54] <apinheiro> didrocks, I will try it again
[16:54] <didrocks> apinheiro: what do you have exactly, is the launcher hidden?
[16:54] <apinheiro> no, it is visible
[16:54] <didrocks> apinheiro: so you are with a aways visible launcher?
[16:55] <didrocks> or dodge window?
[16:55] <didrocks> (default)
[16:55] <apinheiro> with the default I guess
[16:55] <apinheiro> I mean that if you are on a desktop screen
[16:55] <apinheiro> without any app running the launcher is being shown
[16:55] <apinheiro> right?
[16:55] <didrocks> so, right
[16:55] <apinheiro> in this case
[16:55] <didrocks> then, I press alt + F1
[16:56] <apinheiro> but I will test it again
[16:56] <didrocks> I see a launcher item (latest one getting the focus) having it
[17:00] <kenvandine> klattimer, no instances of "E-Cal Component is neither an event or a todo" printed from the service
[17:00] <klattimer> kenvandine: well that's both interesting and worrying
[17:00] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:00] <klattimer> interesting because I'd have assumed that's what caused it
[17:01] <kenvandine> let me add a else there to make sure things are cool
[17:01] <klattimer> worrying because it means that there's something wrong with the sorting which doesn't make any particular sense :/
[17:02] <didrocks> apinheiro: you're right, something changed in trunk :/
[17:03] <apinheiro> didrocks, Im right about what?
[17:03] <apinheiro> I require a nux update?
[17:03] <didrocks> apinheiro: the focus doesn't work anymore, not sure what changed in trunk :/
[17:03] <kenvandine> klattimer, added an else there and got lots of these
[17:03] <kenvandine> (process:7239): Indicator-Datetime-DEBUG: E-Cal Component is an event or a todo
[17:04] <kenvandine> so it is an event or todo :/
[17:04] <dbarth> apinheiro: additions? don't think so, the rest will be tracked with more bugs
[17:04] <dbarth> didrocks: oh crap, it's breaking the uplaod?
[17:04] <didrocks> dbarth: I'm looking at it
[17:05] <apinheiro> didrocks, take into account that commit 895 also modified some things related with
[17:05] <apinheiro> the laucncher
[17:05] <apinheiro> and the keynavmode
[17:05] <didrocks> apinheiro: thanks for the pointer
[17:05] <apinheiro> in fact, I'm not sure why your changes are required
[17:05] <apinheiro> I mean that both seems
[17:05] <apinheiro> somewhat overlapping
[17:06] <apinheiro> didrocks, anyway, not sure
[17:06] <apinheiro> but I will try again without your last two commits
[17:06] <kenvandine> klattimer, they are all E_CAL_COMPONENT_EVENT
[17:06] <didrocks> apinheiro: hum? what happened?
[17:06] <klattimer> kenvandine: that's good news
[17:07] <apinheiro> didrocks, sorry I don't understand your question
[17:07] <didrocks> the commits are the same at all that those I added
[17:08] <didrocks> something is weird, really weird…
[17:08] <didrocks> either bzr-gtk is going crazy or I don't know
[17:08] <didrocks> oh bzr rebase screwed it
[17:09] <didrocks> All code in rev 895 is mine
[17:09] <didrocks> it's attributed to Jay…
[17:09] <apinheiro> didrocks, ah ok
[17:09] <didrocks> apinheiro: who do you see as pushing rev 895?
[17:10]  * apinheiro checking
[17:10] <apinheiro> revno: 895 [merge]
[17:10] <apinheiro> committer: Jay Taoko<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:10] <apinheiro> branch nick: unity.alpha3
[17:10] <apinheiro> didrocks, ^^
[17:10] <didrocks> ok, that's wrong
[17:13] <didrocks> apinheiro: I'm trying to revert some commits, don't commit to trunk please
[17:13] <apinheiro> didrocks, no problem, I was not planning any commit
[17:19] <didrocks> apinheiro: can you bzr pull --overwrite please? (maybe saving another trunk)
[17:19] <didrocks> apinheiro: and confirm first that the history looks more sane  :)
[17:20] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok
[17:20] <apinheiro> didrocks, btw, I have just confirmed that with the last commits
[17:20] <apinheiro> it works
[17:21] <didrocks> apinheiro: it doesn't show the launcher if hidden
[17:21] <apinheiro> urgh, some conflicts .. I will make a checkout instead
[17:21] <didrocks> apinheiro: which was one of the point on my branch
[17:21] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, hence the --overwrite :)
[17:21] <didrocks> I revoke the corrupted commit
[17:21] <apinheiro> ups
[17:23] <apinheiro> didrocks, well
[17:23] <apinheiro> revno: 895 [merge]
[17:23] <apinheiro> committer: Jay Taoko<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:23] <apinheiro> branch nick: unity.alpha3
[17:23] <apinheiro> timestamp: Mon 2011-02-28 01:59:24 -0500
[17:23] <apinheiro> is still assigned to Jay
[17:23] <apinheiro> anyway, I will test it now
[17:23] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, this one was, the latest commits wasn't the right assignee
[17:30] <apinheiro> didrocks, I have just test the trunk
[17:30] <apinheiro> and the keynav mode works
[17:30] <didrocks> apinheiro: yeah, it's working here as well
[17:30] <didrocks> also, if the launcher is hidden, it shows it now, isn't it?
[17:30]  * apinheiro checking
[17:31] <apinheiro> didrocks, yep it works
[17:31] <didrocks> excellent :)
[17:32] <didrocks> so, yeah, I won't trust bzr rebase anymore
[17:32] <didrocks> apinheiro: thanks for the warning, I won't have noticed otherwise
[17:34] <apinheiro> didrocks, np, after all without the keynavmode my last changes were also useless :P
[17:35] <didrocks> heh :)
[17:42] <apinheiro> didrocks, btw, if I started to check this stuff
[17:42] <apinheiro> and the reason I asked dbarth this:
[17:42] <apinheiro> [17:40] <apinheiro> dbarth, there are still time for a little addition in this upload?
[17:42] <apinheiro> is because I detected a missing selection_change emission
[17:42] <apinheiro> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro/unity/missing-emission
[17:42] <apinheiro> but not sure if we can include it or not right now
[17:43] <didrocks> apinheiro: looking
[17:43] <didrocks> apinheiro: that's good to go I think
[17:44] <didrocks> apinheiro: just check that it doesn't create awful reaction chain :)
[17:44] <apinheiro> well, I have just tested it and seems to work
[17:44] <didrocks> (with shown launcher case and hidden one)
[17:44] <apinheiro> after all,
[17:44] <apinheiro> right now
[17:44] <apinheiro> only the accessibility part
[17:44] <apinheiro> is connecting to that signal
[17:45] <didrocks> ok, should be good, merge it right away please
[17:45] <didrocks> (in other term +1 approved) :)
[17:46] <apinheiro> didrocks, ok thanks
[17:47] <apinheiro> wow, diverged branches, a lot of interaction I see ;)
[17:50] <didrocks> right, people are pushing like crazy :)
[18:27] <doctormo> In unity, what's the piece that does the search on the desktop files?\
[18:39] <apinheiro> didrocks, I can't compile the current unity branch
[18:39] <apinheiro> I get this error:
[18:39] <apinheiro> /home/devel/Unity/source/unity/utouch/unity-mt-grab-handles/src/unity-mt-grab-handles.cpp: In constructor ‘UnityMTGrabHandlesScreen::UnityMTGrabHandlesScreen(CompScreen*)’:
[18:39] <apinheiro> /home/devel/Unity/source/unity/utouch/unity-mt-grab-handles/src/unity-mt-grab-handles.cpp:719:42: error: no matching function for call to ‘GLTexture::readImageToTexture(CompString&, CompString&, CompSize&)’
[18:39] <apinheiro> /opt/gnome3/include/compiz/opengl/texture.h:205:14: note: candidate is: static GLTexture::List GLTexture::readImageToTexture(CompString&, CompSize&)
[18:39] <apinheiro> make[2]: *** [utouch/unity-mt-grab-handles/CMakeFiles/unitymtgrabhandles.dir/src/unity-mt-grab-handles.cpp.o] Error 1
[18:39] <apinheiro> I have updated compiz-with-glib-mainloop
[18:39] <apinheiro> but it still misses it
[18:39] <didrocks> apinheiro: you need latest compiz
[18:39] <didrocks> which isn't pushed yet
[18:40] <apinheiro> I need the latest compiz that isn't pushed yet?
[18:40] <apinheiro> :P
[18:40] <apinheiro> didrocks, well, I didn't merged that branch because I didn't want to add that one liner without test it with the unity branch
[18:41] <apinheiro> so I guess that I will miss it ...
[18:47] <Amaranth> apinheiro: the glib mainloop stuff has been merged in to regular compiz
[18:48] <apinheiro> Amaranth, so this texture thing was included on the regular compiz?
[18:48] <Amaranth> yeah
[18:48] <Amaranth> The new argument is the plugin name because Sam wants to store resources on a per-plugin level (/usr/share/compiz/unityshell/image.foo)
[18:51] <apinheiro> Amaranth, but I guess that I would require to get compiz from the git repository
[18:51] <apinheiro> or it is already available on natty package?
[18:51] <Amaranth> ah, yeah
[18:51] <Amaranth> building unity from bzr usually seems to require nux from bzr and compiz from git
[18:52] <Amaranth> hmm, I thought 0.9.4 included those changes so natty should have what you need
[18:53] <apinheiro> Amaranth, ok, right now I have this one "git clone git://git.compiz.org/users/dbo/compiz-with-glib-mainloop"
[18:53] <apinheiro> what should I use now?
[18:54] <Amaranth> git://anongit.compiz.org/compiz/core
[18:54] <apinheiro> Amaranth, ok thanks
[19:13] <nmarques> kenvandine, got time for a quick question ?
[19:57] <kazade> Hi guys, is there anyone about who knows about libindicate?
[19:57] <jderose> (12:56:42 PM) ClassBot: jderose asked: I'd like to help document the Python API... what's the best way to do with for gobject introspection? can i make help(Unity.foo) show something useful?
[19:57] <kazade> specially, I'm not sure if I've found a bug, or more likely I'm doing something wrong..
[19:57] <jderose> I was just pointed here from #ubunut-classroom ^^^
[19:57] <kazade> *specifically
[19:59] <DBO> jderose, hi
[19:59] <jderose> DBO: hi :)
[19:59] <DBO> kazade, let me see if I cant find you someone
[19:59] <jcastro> kenvandine: hey
[19:59] <monish001> QUESTION: what does 'ayatana' mean?
[20:00] <jcastro> jderose: let me snag kenvandine for you, he can help
[20:00] <jderose> jcastro: awesome, thanks... been wondering about this for a while , glad i asked :)
[20:00] <DBO> monish001, if I had to guess, it's an Indian girls name
[20:00] <DBO> monish001, but thats only because everything else we work on is...
[20:00] <jcastro> jderose: it's just been starting to land over the last few days
[20:01] <monish001> oh.. :)
[20:01] <DBO> njpatel, is there anything handy jderose can do to get python moving forward with libunity
[20:02] <kazade> DBO, thanks
[20:02] <DBO> kenvandine, present?
[20:02] <DBO> he might be eating ted...
[20:03] <kenvandine> sort of
[20:03] <kazade> basically the problem is that, I'm trying to create an entry in the messaging menu in a C++ program. That works fine but the server display signal isn't working properly, it looks like the user_data I'm getting in the handler is not the same as I'm passing in...
[20:03]  * kenvandine is knee deep in eds...
[20:04] <kenvandine> kazade, humm
[20:04] <kenvandine> can you post a snip of your code?
[20:04] <jderose> kenvandine: i would like to make stuff like help(appindicator.Indicator) actually provide useful, Pythonic documentation... is that even possible with gobject introspection?
[20:04] <DBO> kenvandine, can you give kazade a good time to poke you?
[20:05] <kazade> kenvandine, http://pastie.org/1618099
[20:05] <kazade> note the print statements on lines 16 and 4 don't match
[20:05] <kenvandine> jderose, not sure, talk to kamstrup when you get a chance
[20:05] <jderose> kenvandine: cool, thanks :)
[20:08] <kenvandine> kazade, what is the data type for this ?
[20:09] <kenvandine> kazade, doesn't seem like it should be an Indicator
[20:09] <kazade> how so? it's in the Indicator constructor..
[20:10] <kenvandine> oh,  you named it Indicator :)
[20:10] <kazade> yeah :)
[20:10] <kenvandine> kind of overloaded...
[20:11] <kenvandine> kazade, don't seen any obvious problems
[20:11] <kenvandine> kazade, for testing, try just passing a string
[20:12] <kazade> k
[20:12] <kenvandine> i am very rusty on c++, but seems sane
[20:14] <kazade> ok, passing a char* is just segfaulting it when it goes to print
[20:14] <kazade> something screwy is going on..
[20:14] <kazade> here's the emit call from libindicate:
[20:14] <kazade> 		g_signal_emit(server, signals[SERVER_DISPLAY], 0, timestamp, TRUE);
[20:15] <kazade> should it be passing some user data in that?
[20:15] <kazade> (note, I don't know gobject stuff..)
[20:15] <kenvandine> yes
[20:15] <kenvandine> hang on
[20:16] <kazade> server.c:1637
[20:16] <kazade> just branched it from LP
[20:21] <kenvandine> it should be passing it
[20:21] <kazade> you mean the library is correct? or it's wrong and it should be fixed to pass it?
[20:22] <kenvandine> it is
[20:22] <kenvandine> oh
[20:22] <kenvandine>     g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(server_), INDICATE_SERVER_SIGNAL_SERVER_DISPLAY, G_CALLBACK(server_display_thunk), (gpointer) this);
[20:22] <kenvandine> try without the (gpoiinter) this
[20:22] <kazade> I did :(
[20:22] <kenvandine> humm
[20:23] <kazade> is my callback right?
[20:24] <kenvandine> oh... i don't think so
[20:24] <kenvandine> missing timestamp i think
[20:24] <lamalex> hahah wow the xchat icon popping out just actually startled me
[20:24] <lamalex> i thought an insect was crawling out of my screen
[20:24] <kazade> kenvandine, that's the problem
[20:24] <lamalex> talk about a bug
[20:24] <kazade> thankyou
[20:24] <kenvandine> server_display (IndicateServer * indicate_server, guint timestamp, gpointer data)
[20:24] <lamalex> *rimshot*
[20:25] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:25] <kenvandine> sorry i didn't notice that
[20:25] <kenvandine> i think i was a little overwhelmed by the c++ syntax
[20:25] <kenvandine> it always feaks me out :)
[20:25] <kenvandine> s/feaks/freaks
[20:25] <kazade> hehe, same for me, but with the C syntax ;)
[20:25] <kenvandine> too many :: and <<
[20:26] <kazade> kenvandine, the docs aren't right then: http://people.canonical.com/~ted/libindicate/current/IndicateServer.html#IndicateServer-server-display
[20:28]  * kenvandine grumbles about docs in ted's home dir
[20:28] <kenvandine> kazade, try devhelp with the libindicate-doc package
[20:28] <kenvandine> the docs are right, just ted's version is way outdated
[20:29] <kenvandine> ugh... it doesn't even list what version of libindicate those docs are for
[20:29] <kenvandine> the timestamp was added like back in the days of karmic
[20:29] <kazade> kenvandine, ok, devhelp has the right one :)
[20:29] <kenvandine> so that must be incredibly outdated
[20:29] <kenvandine> kazade, devhelp will always be accurate :)
[20:29] <kazade> ok, thanks for the tip :)
[20:29] <kenvandine> np
[20:30] <kenvandine> we have plans to get online docs managable
[20:30] <kenvandine> and useful
[20:30] <kazade> cool
[20:31] <kazade> hmm, what am I supposed to do on server-display?  GtkWindow::present() ?
[20:32] <kazade> nm, that works :)
[20:32] <kazade> thanks again
[20:33] <kenvandine> np
[20:40] <c10ud> cando_, found the packager
[20:44] <toros> hi
[20:44] <toros> will unity 3.6 be part of natty alpha 3?
[20:45] <toros> or will it be arrive to the natty archive after alpha 3 is released?
[20:47] <didrocks> toros: tomorrow should have the 3.6 release and we'll try to push it in alpha3
[20:47] <toros> didrocks: thank you!
[20:47] <didrocks> yw :)
[20:49] <toros> wow, I can't wait to put my fingers on it. I saw njpatel's screenshots and it looks very promising... :)
[20:49] <didrocks> we just try to ensure high quality on it for alpha3 :)
[20:52] <nmarques> guys a quick question... what are the benefits of building the GIO module on bamf ?
[20:55] <Omega> https://github.com/olalonde/jsnotify/blob/master/TUTORIAL.md
[20:55] <Omega> That's pretty cool.
[21:15] <toros> good night!
[22:37] <jcastro> seiflotfy: ok so mine stopped spazzing
[22:37] <jcastro> what version of unity do you have?
[22:38] <seiflotfy> just noticed i disabled the ppa
[22:38] <seiflotfy> let me renable
[22:38] <jcastro> what ppa?
[22:38] <jcastro> the fix is in natty
[22:39] <seiflotfy> jcastro, ok the fix is not there
[22:39] <seiflotfy> i have 0ubuntu1
[22:39] <seiflotfy> i cant find 2
[22:39] <jcastro> 2 is in natty
[22:39] <jcastro> but just uploaded
[22:39] <jcastro> your mirror is likely not updated yet
[22:40] <seiflotfy> yeah
[22:40] <jcastro> drop the country code in your sources.list, update, then add it back
[22:40] <jcastro> so you use archive.ubuntu.com
[22:41] <seiflotfy> jcastro, downloading
[22:43] <seiflotfy> ok
[22:47] <seiflotfy> jorge
[22:47] <seiflotfy> works
[22:47] <seiflotfy> awesome
[22:48] <seiflotfy> how do i find the unity settings thing
[22:48] <jcastro> run ccsm
[22:48] <jcastro> and click on the unity button
[22:56] <nhaines> jcastro: is that fix for the Unity launcher going crazy?  :)
[22:59] <apw> do i expect that key bindings for menus have gone away again?
[23:02] <apw> can anyone tell me what package the keyboard indicator is
[23:06] <TheMuso> apw: I believe gnome-control-center is responsible for that indicator, but not 100% sure.
[23:07] <apw> those things should have 'file bug' on them like everything else
[23:07] <apw> TheMuso, thanks tho.
[23:07] <TheMuso> np
[23:09] <apw> TheMuso, do you guys have .us format keyboard over there?  or something else like us in the uk
[23:13] <TheMuso> apw: .us format for some reason.
[23:14] <apw> TheMuso, heh ... so you'd not see the messed up indicator either ... bah
[23:16] <TheMuso> No I would not. :)
[23:33]  * apw finds 5 bugs in as many minutes ... sigh
[23:35] <TheMuso> apw: Yeah I know what you mean. Just updated, and unity decided to load, even though I specifically selected the classic desktop at login.
[23:37] <apw> TheMuso, heh now thats one i have not met yet
[23:37] <TheMuso> Nothing ccsm couldn't fix.
[23:43] <apw> yay now compiz is dumping core left and right ... quality