[08:06] <Laney> hey hey HEY!
[08:07] <mvo> hey Laney!
[08:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:11] <seb128> happy friday!
[08:11] <mvo> hey seb128!
[08:11] <seb128> hey mvo, wie gehts?
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: I'm in really good mood, I got a slackline and installed it in the garden yesterday
[08:12] <Laney> hey mvo et seb128
[08:12] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:12] <seb128> mvo, lol, I first read that as "I got slackware and installed it"
[08:12] <mvo> seb128: and you? how is the real world?
[08:13] <mvo> seb128: LOL
[08:13] <Laney> not bad!
[08:13] <Laney> apparently the "hottest day of the year" today
[08:13] <seb128> good! we have blue sky & not crazy hot weather
[08:13] <mvo> seb128: yeah, 'cause I hate systemd and its the last hideout ;)
[08:13] <mvo> (kidding, I don't care much about the init system really)
[08:13] <Laney> how dare you
[08:13] <mvo> Laney: really? we had that last week, it was really hot
[08:13] <Laney> give back your Debian license right now
[08:14] <seb128> Laney, how hot is that?
[08:14] <mvo> Laney: *weeeeeh* you mean as a DD I *must* *always* *have* *strong* *opinions* ?
[08:14] <seb128> we had 36°C on monday
[08:14] <Laney> ☑ posted on 10 init threads in the past year
[08:14] <Laney> yeah don't laugh at us :P
[08:14] <Laney> I think the previous hottest was 26
[08:15] <ogra_> now it is 26.5 ?
[08:15] <Laney> could be!
[08:15] <ogra_> :)
[08:16]  * seb128 refrains a lol
[08:17] <Laney> I'm quite happy if that is the maximum we get all year ;-)
[08:17] <seb128> yeah, over 30°C starts being annoying
[08:18] <mvo> seb128++
[08:18] <Laney> seb129?
[08:25] <darkxst> try 43-45°C, thats about our usual max over summer, luckily its winter now and we have nice mild 10°C days!
[08:26] <seb128> with over 40°C I guess everybody stick to "find some place with AC and stay in there"?
[08:26] <darkxst> well I do! not sure what the people without AC do, go shopping perhaps!
[09:43] <seb128> shrug
[09:43]  * seb128 shakes fist at xnox and ubiquity
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: cepasa? 3.12?
[09:46] <seb128> the "replace Ubuntu install" partitionner option destroyed the win8 and recovery partitions on that machine
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: or just general cd brokenes
[09:46] <xnox> seb128: i've filed several requests to get windows8 from MSDN to fix that.
[09:46] <seb128> xnox, no, I just nuked the win8 from my cousin trying to install the LTS
[09:46] <seb128> shrug
[09:47] <seb128> I hope there was no important datas on that disk :-(
[09:47] <xnox> seb128: excellent, did you make "windows 8 recovery usb stick first" ?
[09:47] <seb128> no
[09:47] <xnox> seb128: cause now you don't have any way to reinstall windows 8
[09:47] <xnox> \o/
[09:47] <seb128> yeah, thanks, I know
[09:47] <seb128> no win8, no data
[09:47] <xnox> who needs that stuff anyway =)
[09:47] <Laney> :/
[09:47] <seb128> xnox, not funny
[09:48] <seb128> we shouldn't even propose that option if it has risks to nuke disks
[09:51] <seb128> xnox, I guess you don't know of any way to recover the partitions or datas?
[09:55] <xnox> seb128: i've used testdisk successfully before.
[09:55] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know anything about libinput?
[09:55] <xnox> seb128: you should be able to still guess partition tables & detect ntfs and recover things that ubuntu didn't blast over
[09:55] <seb128> Laney, it's used by clutter and needs a MIR!
[09:56] <seb128> xnox, let me try that
[09:56] <xnox> seb128: so eveyrthing sans first 10GB should be recovarable.
[09:56] <Laney> seb128: xactly
[09:56] <xnox> seb128: ideally boot into livecd and install testdisk into live to operate on the drive, et.al.
[09:56] <seb128> xnox, trying that, thanks
[10:00] <tjaalton> Laney: did RAOF package that already, or am i thinking of something else..
[10:01] <Laney> tjaalton: It's packaged
[10:01] <Laney> clutter wants to pull it into main
[10:02] <tjaalton> ah
[10:02] <tjaalton> i think Mir will use it eventually
[10:03] <Laney> that's interesting
[10:03] <tjaalton> so MIRing it now would make sense in the long run
[10:03] <Laney> as it's part of the wayland project
[10:03] <Laney> but cool
[10:03] <Laney> who would be good to do the MIR? :-)
[10:04] <tjaalton> hehe
[10:04] <tjaalton> mlankhorst is off today, as am i
[10:05] <tjaalton> so if you need it now maybe someone else :)
[10:05] <Laney> doesn't have to be now
[10:05] <Laney> I was just browsing excuses and saw this
[10:06] <tjaalton> i can file the paperwork on monday
[10:06] <Laney> that would be great
[10:06] <Laney> thanks!
[10:06] <Laney> now go enjoy your day off :P
[10:09] <tjaalton> already by the pool with a cold pint of Mythos ;)
[10:10] <tjaalton> but yeah, next week
[11:54] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[12:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hm?
[12:37] <seb128> bregma, hey, just as a fyi, I kicked a rebuild for unity8-desktop-session changes in silo 008, since the platform-api landed (so the changes got applied on the new trunk/can be tested)
[12:37] <bregma> saw that, thanks
[12:37] <bregma> it'll likely land today
[12:38] <seb128> great
[12:38] <seb128> I'm going to test it in a bit
[13:04] <desrt> moin
[13:39] <seb128> xnox, help! ;-)
[13:39] <seb128> xnox, so I gave up on getting back win8 on that box and installed trusty
[13:40] <seb128> but after install/reboot I'm greeted with a "Operating System Not Found" and not with grub
[13:40] <seb128> do you know what the issue could be?
[13:40] <ogra_> did you check the UEFI boot order etc ?
[13:40] <ogra_> (in the BIOS)
[13:41] <seb128> ogra_, where there is only one OS shouldn't that be the one booted?
[13:42] <seb128> ok, changed the boot mode from UEFI to legacy and it boots Ubuntu...
[13:42] <ogra_> probably ... i just know that i have to fiddle with that when susie accidentially booted into windows on her laptop ... it switches to the builtin windows boot manager in UEFI at times
[13:42] <seb128> ogra_, well, the issue is that ubiquity nucked all the windows partitions, including boot and recovery
[13:42] <seb128> (when picking "reinstall over the existing Ubuntu installation")
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, nice :P
[13:43] <seb128> "nice"
[13:43] <seb128> indeed
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: bah. that's quite bad.
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: i'd reinstall again.
[13:51] <seb128> xnox, well, it's booting when the bios is in "legacy mode"
[13:51] <xnox> seb128: it means that bios preffered legacy boot over UEFI boot. And since our media is dual, it did boot in BIOS mode for installation.
[13:51] <xnox> when you were originally booting external media
[13:52] <xnox> it's nicer / faster & better graphics to boot in UEFI mode all the time.
[13:52] <seb128> there is no way to reinstall grub in uefi mode from the installed system?
[13:52] <xnox> there is
[13:52] <xnox> do you still have UEFI partition though left?
[13:52] <seb128> how do I know? I doubt it
[13:52] <xnox> seb128: open disks
[13:53] <xnox> seb128: and check if it has one at the begging
[13:53] <seb128> there is a 274M and a  1.5G unknown type ones
[13:53] <xnox> "Partition Type" EFI System as the first one in the begging
[13:53] <seb128> well type "basic data"
[13:53] <seb128> no
[13:54] <xnox> 1.5G unknown type could be intel rapid start volume
[13:54] <xnox> 274M is that FAT partition?
[13:54] <xnox> can you mount it & check what it has?
[13:54] <xnox> overwise i would reboot into bios, make sure it preffers UEFI only for all boot types & reinstall.
[13:54] <seb128> no, it fact that "non allocated space"
[13:55] <xnox> or just stick with legacy boot
[13:55] <xnox> =)
[13:55] <xnox> seb128: it's not like, grub1 was ever removed from the archive and main =))))
[13:55] <xnox> seb128: and i did fix bugs with using grub1 on trusty =)))))))) lolz
[13:55] <seb128> xnox, shrug
[13:56] <seb128> the bios was in UEFI mode when I booted the USB stick, I'm unsure how doing another install is going to be different
[13:56] <xnox> that's very weird then
[13:56] <xnox> you should have ended up with an UEFI install
[13:56] <seb128> well, I didn't install over the disk but picked a / partition
[13:57] <seb128> so maybe that's an issue?
[14:02] <seb128> xnox, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_partition states I need to create an EFI partition if I want to be able to use UEFI boot
[14:02] <seb128> ubiquity is not doing that for me in manual partitioning mode
[14:02] <xnox> seb128: we reuse/hide that fact typically.
[14:02] <xnox> seb128: EFI system partition is nothing more than a FAT32 partition with a type id changed to "EFI"
[14:03] <xnox> (or was it fat16?!)
[14:06] <seb128> xnox, well, typically seems like if you don't do manually partitioning ... let me install over the disk
[14:07] <Saviq> seb128, bregma, hey, silo 008 is built with session logout, will you do the desktop testing (I can do a phone ACK)?
[14:07] <xnox> seb128: so, you originally booted with (a) uefi mode (b) went into manual partitioning (c) picked existing ubuntu partition (?!) for a reinstall and that resulted in grub-pc, instead of grub-efi?
[14:07] <bregma> Saviq, absolutely
[14:08] <xnox> Saviq: bregma: \o/
[14:08] <seb128> Saviq, I'm about to test on desktop yes, though we can't test the logout part until unity8 and indicator-session changes land, right?
[14:08] <Saviq> seb128, they're in the same silo, why wouldn't you be able to test?
[14:08] <seb128> xnox, sort of, (c) selected manual mode, created a new partition, used that to install /
[14:09] <xnox> seb128: you didn't trust auto-resize, right? (or it wasn't offered)?
[14:09] <seb128> Saviq, ignore me, I didn't realize that silo had been reconfigured since this morning
[14:09] <seb128> xnox, it wasn't offered
[14:09] <Saviq> seb128, ok, I'll do that ;)
[14:09] <xnox> seb128: tah.
[14:16] <seb128> desrt, hey, sorry I just remembered that forgot to reply to your greeting earlier ;-)
[14:17] <desrt> seb128: no worries :)
[14:17] <desrt> DRO is over :p
[14:17] <seb128> oh, right
[14:17] <seb128> happy to be "free" again? ;-)
[14:17] <desrt> yup
[14:17] <desrt> results weren't bad either
[14:17] <desrt> my particular ballot box was overwhelmingly NDP -- > 50%
[14:18] <desrt> and NDP won that district.... but liberals won overall
[14:19] <seb128> cool
[14:59] <seb128> charles, tedg, Saviq, bregma: sorry I though we were here earlier, and I got sidetracked by people asking things
[15:00] <seb128> the dbus-monitor log has "No such object path '/org/gnome/SessionManager/EndSessionDialog'"
[15:00] <bregma> ** (process:2497): WARNING **: /build/buildd/indicator-session-12.10.5+14.10.20140613/src/backend-dbus/actions.c:638 on_open_end_session_dialog_ready: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject: No such object path '/org/gnome/SessionManager/EndSessionDialog'
[15:00] <seb128> no RequestLogout
[15:00] <charles> hm, ok
[15:02] <charles> sounds like a problem on the i-session side then
[15:03] <Laney> bug #1329792 seems real
[15:03] <charles> seb128, just to make sure, this is with the lp-1296814-logout-using-unity-session branch right?
[15:04] <seb128> charles, it's with https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-008
[15:04] <seb128> charles, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/177551784/indicator-session_12.10.5%2B14.04.20140410-0ubuntu1_12.10.5%2B14.10.20140613-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[15:04] <seb128> is the codediff for indicator-session
[15:04] <charles> k
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, indeed
[15:07] <seb128> Laney, going to make larsu happy :/
[15:07]  * larsu reads scrollback to become happy
[15:07] <charles> seb128, I'm going to be afk in a little bit taking my wife to work, after that I'll see if I can get a unity8 env running on my system and try 008 on my own and track down the problem
[15:07] <seb128> larsu, <irony> sorry
[15:08] <ogra_> to late !
[15:08] <ogra_> TGIF :)
[15:08] <charles> seb128, downside is, eta ~90 min before I start on that
[15:08] <larsu> seb128: what are we talking about? The volume button bug?
[15:08] <seb128> charles, ok, let me know if I can help providing debug infos
[15:08] <seb128> larsu, yes
[15:08] <seb128> charles, well, no worry, that can wait for monday to land
[15:09] <seb128> though I'm a bit annoyed that we grouper the iso autologin fix with unrelated changes
[15:09] <larsu> seb128: any idea what could be wrong there?
[15:09] <seb128> because it means we are blocking the iso fix
[15:09] <seb128> bregma, Saviq: ^ just as a fyi
[15:10] <seb128> larsu, no :-( I see a + displayed a bit downer on the UI, I wonder if that's a stacking or rendering issue
[15:10] <larsu> interesting. I'll put it on my TODO
[15:10] <Saviq> seb128, hmm, sorry, we did discuss it this morning, only probably we expected this to be working and landable...
[15:10]  * larsu has to finish reviewing desrt's parser patch today
[15:11] <Saviq> seb128, if you want, drop unity8 and i-session again from there and land u8-d-session alone
[15:11] <seb128> Saviq, yeah, we should have taken Laney's login fix alone and then grouped everything else
[15:14] <seb128> mterry, thanks for the MIR approval btw ;-)
[15:15] <mterry> seb128, I only wish they were all so easy  :)
[15:15] <seb128> hehe
[15:20] <bregma> the logout fix getting added to the unity8-desktop-session silo took me by surprise too
[15:21] <seb128> bregma, I'm going to move Laney's fix to its own silo, land that and reconfigure the logout one without that mp, if that works for you?
[15:21] <bregma> wfm
[15:22] <seb128> thanks
[16:13] <seb128> Saviq, bregma, charles, Laney: k, I landed the unity8-desktop-session autologin fix and I'm rebuilding silo 008 on top of that landing now (only including the session changes)
[16:14] <Laney> cool, thanks
[16:14] <Laney> what does on top of mean?
[16:14] <seb128> I waited for the fix to be in trunk before kicking the rebuild
[16:14] <seb128> so it means the silo includes the fix
[16:15] <Laney> oh there's another change to that package, I see
[16:15] <seb128> right
[16:39] <seb128> ok, calling it a week, time for some tennis and w.e!
[16:39] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[16:40] <seb128> see you next week
[16:41] <Laney> bye seb128 !


[12:25] <cbx33> I'm back
[12:25] <cbx33> :p
[12:26] <cbx33> and now everyone has gone :(
[12:28] <DanielC> it's late for most of us.
[12:28] <DanielC> It's late in Europe.
[12:28] <DanielC> I'm going to bed soon.
[12:28] <cbx33> I know
[12:28] <DanielC> Where are you located?
[12:28] <cbx33> I should be in bed
[12:29] <cbx33> UK
[12:29] <DanielC> ok, another European :)
[12:29] <DanielC> Well... I'm off...
[12:29] <DanielC> good night.
[12:30] <LaserJock> I'm here
[12:30] <cbx33> w00t
[01:15] <divansantana> Hey everyone!
[01:15] <divansantana> I was wondering if anyone here knows how to simply VNC to LTSP users desktop?
[01:17] <divansantana> I know kde can have vnc session running but prob is how do you specify to vnc to which desktop because there could be 21 VNC sessions running on a Linux terminal server becuase of 21 users for exampe
[01:18] <divansantana> any ideas at all?
[01:27] <lecaros> hi guys
[01:28] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:40] <bddebian> Hello
[05:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: got a sec?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:32] <purserj> quick question, does edubuntu use the same livecd installer as Dapper?
[05:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: oops, sorry I did not notice your answer
[05:32] <jsgotangco> =)
[05:33] <jsgotangco> purserj: pretty much the same, its a desktop CD for Edubuntu (no LTSP)
[05:33] <mhz> purserj: yup, but it does add edubuntu stuff instead and no LTSP env.
[05:33] <purserj> sweet, thanks
[05:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: let's say I make edubuntu-latino (2 light desktops + edubuntu apps + LTSP + latinamerican artwork)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> and?
[05:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: would that mean I only need edubuntu-server only + the stuff I aforementioned?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> umm its a bit more complex than that
[05:36] <mhz> or, each edubuntu app has been compiled with some diff specs?
[05:36] <jsgotangco> you will have to make your own seeds
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hmm wonder if that's a good idea (seeds)
[05:37] <mhz> seeds are not good idea now
[05:38] <jsgotangco> basically you build on top of a standard ubuntu install
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i think janimo is the best guy to ask
[05:38] <jsgotangco> he's a really nice guy in real life
[05:38] <mhz> hehehe
[05:38] <mhz> yeah
[05:39] <mhz> well, I will try this (may change it later but...):
[05:39] <jsgotangco> it can be a nice learning experience as well, making your own derivative
[05:39] <mhz> dsslive framework would give me a ubuntu-core squeleton only
[05:40] <mhz> once i get that, I have to apt get install whatever I want
[05:40] <mhz> and then run a couple of scripts
[05:40] <mhz> and that is it
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:40] <mhz> so, my doubts were regarding those apt-get installs
[05:45] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, thx
[05:46] <mhz> you cleared my mind
[05:47] <mhz> oh, but then, if I only have to apt-get install edubuntu-server + edubuntu apps (no edubuntu-desktop because it would give me GNOME)
[05:47] <mhz> I need no seed, right?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> youd still need that
[05:51] <jsgotangco> youre doing a new CD right?
[05:52] <lecaros_away> !ping
[05:52] <ubotu> pong
[05:56] <lecaros_away> mhz
[05:57] <mhz> pong
[05:57] <mhz> pong lecaros_away
[05:57] <mhz> si tu nick no esta registrado...no nos veremos en PM
[05:57] <lecaros_away> est registrado man
[05:57] <HedgeMage> hiy all
[05:58] <HedgeMage> hey even
[05:58] <mhz> lecaros_away: este mismo?
[05:58] <mhz> HedgeMage: hey you and TT
[05:58] <lecaros_away> sure
[05:59] <HedgeMage> mhz: TT is, thankfully, in bed
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe, and you are getting some peace o' mind
[06:07] <HedgeMage> yep
[07:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: hey jonathan how are you doing?
[07:37] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hi jerome. going good, although the week flashed by very quickly
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yes it does
[07:37] <highvoltage> it's been a similar week to last week, we've been planning and discussing things. i'm getting tired of discussing, i just want to start doing now.
[07:37] <jsgotangco> discussing what?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> are assigned to some targets?
[07:38] <highvoltage> tuxlabs is turning into a commercial company over the next month or so, there's a lot of work involved.
[07:39] <HedgeMage> hi guys
[07:39] <highvoltage> tuesday and wednesday was almost entirely legal and admin stuff. quite daunting.
[07:39] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage
[07:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: targets?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> for dapper
[07:39] <jsgotangco> err edgy
[07:40] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: better than illegal and admin stuff
[07:40] <highvoltage> heh. no, at least not that i know of. you?
[07:40] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: for sure!
[07:40] <HedgeMage> :D
[07:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm going to do things like the diskless fat clients, even though it's been defered to edgy+1
[07:41] <highvoltage> it's been defered because the authentication spec has been defered, but at the very least i want everything except the authentication part to work fine before the end of july.
[07:42] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:51] <IamEthos> what is the difference between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[08:42] <cbx33> Now that help.ubuntu.org is online, shoudn't we have a dns record pointing there from help.edubuntu.org ?
[08:44] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I think we should either get some edubuntu stuff on there (preferable) or not make the record, or we'll jsut confuse people.
[08:44] <HedgeMage> of course, that is moot if edubuntu stuff was added since I last looked
[08:46] <cbx33> there is edubuntu stuff there
[08:47] <HedgeMage> in that case we should do it :)
[08:48] <HedgeMage> I told you I may be behind the times
[08:48] <HedgeMage> This week has been hellishly busy
[08:48] <cbx33> HedgeMage: mines been pretty bad too
[08:48] <cbx33> but getting better now
[08:49] <HedgeMage> Mine will start getting better on Sunday or so
[10:26] <doktoreas> hi to all!
[10:27] <doktoreas> are there apps to teach geograpy inside edubuntu?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:33] <jsgotangco> there is none installed by default but there are a few geography apps available
[10:35] <doktoreas> jsgotangco: have you got a list o those apps?
[10:36] <jsgotangco> education-geography - DebianEdu applications for geography
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography - geography learning program
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography-data - maps and flags for kgeography
[10:36] <jsgotangco> libgeography-nationalgrid-perl - Class for a point and to transform coordinate systems
[10:36] <jsgotangco> kgeography looks interesting
[10:36] <doktoreas> i'll check thx
[10:37] <jsgotangco> ahhh its a game..
[10:38] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:28] <cbx33> hi ogra
[11:30] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:30] <jsgotangco> for some reason im listening to elvis again
[11:31] <jsgotangco> argghhh
[11:31] <jsgotangco> now i know why
[01:14] <DanielC> Who is in charge of documentation?
[01:16] <cbx33> check the wiki
[01:17] <cbx33> it's jsgotangco
[01:17] <DanielC> I want to add a user guide for OpenOffice.org to Universe, and I need to talk to someone who can tell me how to proceed.
[01:18] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to jsgotangco when he's around, thanks.
[01:18] <DanielC> I didn't have any luck in #ubuntu-motu and #ubuntu-doc :(
[01:20] <ogra> DanielC, talk to doko, it can probably go to main even
[01:20] <ogra> (doko is the OO.o maintainer)
[01:20] <DanielC> Great. Where can I find doko?
[01:20] <ogra> #ubuntu-devel
[01:20] <DanielC> Ok.
[01:22] <DanielC> I need to talk to someone, get some opinions. For example, this user guide is in OpenDocument format, not DocBook. So we need to think about what to do (e.g. leave them in their current format and add a menu entry from OOo).
[01:23] <DanielC> brb
[01:27] <DanielC> ogra: Do you have doku's email address? I think email would be better for the initial explanation.
[01:27] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[01:27] <DanielC> :)
[01:28] <DanielC> Thanks.
[01:29] <cbx33> ogra: any news on the meeting?
[01:30] <ogra> cbx33, i talked to pygi a bit before already, we'll just share the load, each of us can develop one feature ...
[01:31] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <ogra> as long as it gets implemented as specced, all should be fine
[01:31] <cbx33> sounds good
[01:40] <DanielC> Email sent. :)
[02:23] <kditty> i have a question, my boss is home schooling my kid and he needs to show proof of work and everything, so i was wondering if edubuntu allows you to print out the work that you do for proof to show the school administration
[02:40] <Most_Wanted> if you have a printer?
[02:53] <kditty> yes there will be a printer
[02:53] <kditty> what im asking is edubuntu ideal for home schooling? i checked the live cd out and it looks really nice so i want to set him up with it and save him some time from homeschooling
[02:55] <MagicFab> ~seen mhz
[03:02] <cbx33> kditty: it would be fine for those needs
[03:03] <kditty> cbx33, thanks
[03:20] <sbalneav> Morning ogra rodarvus
[03:21] <DanielC> Is there a way to reset the MySQL root password?
[03:21] <rodarvus> sbalneav, hi there
[03:21] <DanielC> Provided that you have Unix root access.
[03:21] <rodarvus> DanielC, (late response to the OOo guide) I suggest we leave it in OpenDocument format
[03:22] <rodarvus> since it is the native format of OpenOffice.org itself
[03:22] <DanielC> rodarvus: Ok.
[03:22] <rodarvus> and likely won't be maintained by us
[03:22] <DanielC> rodarvus: That sounds like a good idea. At least for the time being.
[03:22] <rodarvus> if desired, it is trivial to even add a OOo menu item to open the guide
[03:23] <DanielC> That would be great (adding an OOo menu). I tried to figure out how to do it, but couldn't.
[03:23] <DanielC> I'm sure it's just one of those menu.xml files.
[03:24] <DanielC> rodarvus: Are you involved in either the Documentation project or the OOo package?
[03:25] <rodarvus> DanielC, I was an OpenOffice.org developer in a past life
[03:25] <rodarvus> (actually, I developed a derivative of OOo for almost two years)
[03:25] <DanielC> Cool. Few people outside Sun ever manage to make sense of OOo's codebase ;-)
[03:26] <rodarvus> yes, its a long learning path
[03:26] <rodarvus> our team was made of 9 (good) programmers, which I hired very carefully
[03:27] <rodarvus> it basically took all of them two months to be productive
[03:27] <DanielC> What was that derivative called? What did it do?
[03:27] <rodarvus> FreeOffice
[03:28] <DanielC> I haven't heard of it. It might have been before I got involved in OOo.
[03:28] <rodarvus> it has improved spell checker and grammar checker, native support for VBA macros, support to MS Access documents, and hundreds of small features to make it look like MS Office :)
[03:28] <DanielC> That's impressive. Those are things that the current OOo hasn't managed.
[03:29] <rodarvus> right, and "look like ms office" is surely not one of the main targets of OpenOffice.org
[03:29] <rodarvus> the main target of this project was to make a seasoned MS Office user able to use FreeOffice without any training
[03:29] <DanielC> Yes, and IMO I don't think it should be. But compatibility is high on the agenda.
[03:30] <rodarvus> DanielC, btw, what is your name?
[03:30] <DanielC> Daniel Carrera
[03:30] <rodarvus> hah!
[03:30] <rodarvus> I know who you are :)
[03:30] <DanielC> :)
[03:30] <DanielC> What's your name? Have we met at OOo?
[03:31] <rodarvus> no, I haven't had the chance to go to any OOo conference
[03:31] <DanielC> ok
[03:31] <rodarvus> and pretty much left the OOo community since I left this job :/
[03:31] <DanielC> Well, I'm not really involved in OOo anymore. I found it was too much trouble.
[03:32] <rodarvus> its very time consuming
[03:32] <DanielC> I found that getting the leads to accept my work was a lot more difficult than doing the work itself.
[03:33] <rodarvus> when the other developers on our team became productive, I basically had to stop programming myself, to integrate all their code, and OOo itself on our codebase
[03:33] <DanielC> I didn't just "quit" overnight, but I sort of drifted into other things slowly.
[03:33] <rodarvus> one thing that was quite sad was that some of the features worked inside Sun were not public to the community
[03:34] <rodarvus> so we lost a few manmonths doing stuff that suddenly appeared in the source code
[03:34] <DanielC> oh... :(
[03:34] <DanielC> Yeah, that's not a good way to work in a FOSS project.
[03:34] <rodarvus> I believe some/most of this is solved, past 2.0 (since they want to go for time based releases)
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya
[04:06] <jsgotangco> good evening
[04:12] <sbalneav> Anyone seen our Teutonic Free Software Warrior (ogra) around?    I'm trying to muddle about in the source tree I got yesterday.
[04:15] <ogra> shoot
[04:16] <sbalneav> How do I actually "build" ubuntu's LTSP?  I'm assuming I'm going to get a server side "ltsp-build-standalone" package, and then a couple of customized client-side packages, yes?
[04:17] <ogra> no, you get a source package that you can build then
[04:18] <ogra> we'll need to add a generic build system i guess for your requirements (makefile etc)
[04:19] <sbalneav> Well, no need to rush into that.  If you could just point me at the sequence of commands.  I'd like to learn how you're doing it now, so that full grokking and enlightenment may be obtained on my part.
[04:19] <ogra> you can build it manually with: fakeroot debian/rules binary
[04:19] <ogra> run that in the source dir
[04:20] <sbalneav> ah, of course.
[04:20] <ogra> hmm, you probably need the debhelper scripts etc
[04:20] <sbartleylinux> morning ogra, sbalneav.
[04:21] <ogra> apt-get install build-essential dpkg-dev devscripts
[04:21] <ogra> if you want to do "real" package development build yourself a pbuilder https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[04:21] <sbalneav> yeah, I'll get 'em.   I know how to check it out now, from yesterday.  I guess my goal today is to actually wrap my head around how to "build" it, so that I've got a firm grip on what to do once we start modifying it.  So you may (unfortunately) have to answer a couple of more dumb questions before the weekend's through :)
[04:22] <sbalneav> sbartleylinux: morning.
[04:22] <sbartleylinux> sbalneav: how was Paris?
[04:23] <sbalneav> Excellent.  Good food, great scenery, and fantastic people.  The ubunteros are always a blast to hang out with, and the Parisiens were very friendly as well.
[04:24] <sbartleylinux> cool.  welcome back.
[04:24] <sbalneav> thx
[04:24] <jsgotangco> Great food?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> surely you jest
[04:24] <sbartleylinux> ogra: did you ever get a chance to talk to sbalneav or jammcq about how the print server was getting called?
[04:24] <bddebian> jsgotangco: :-)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> its probably the stalest bread outside my place ive ever tasted
[04:25] <jsgotangco> the good food, great scenery is actually 40min away by train
[04:25] <jsgotangco> and costs 16 per visit
[04:25] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: You'll notice that jammcq and I went DOWNTOWN for dinner most nights.
[04:26] <jsgotangco> but there were 2 smart guys who bought weeklong tickets for 33 and told us about it 2 days before the summit ended
[04:26] <sbalneav> next time, hang with the j-dog and the Crazy Canuck and you'll eat like a kind.
[04:26] <sbalneav> s/kind/king/
[04:26] <sbartleylinux> And that is the truth.;)
[04:27] <jsgotangco> and there was one guy with a porsche who didn't even let us experience how fast he drives
[04:27] <jsgotangco> =D
[04:27] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: You've seen the two of us in person now.  Do we LOOK like the kind of person who CAN'T find a good meal?
[04:27] <sbartleylinux> lol.
[04:27] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:27] <sbartleylinux> I miss the Autobahn.
[04:28] <jsgotangco> what the hell i just received spam in french now
[04:29] <sbalneav> So ogra tells me: I'm driving to Paris, and I ask him if he's bringing the Porsche.  And he says "No, it brings me". LOLOL  jammcq and I were laughing our butts off in the airport.  Ogra tries to hide it, but he's really quite a funny guy.
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:30] <sbalneav> brb, must. have. more. coffee.
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all, if you look at the top bar its got huge (doubel sized) icons. http://users.on.net/~goetz/karl/scrolling.png has anyone else seen it?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> wow that's huge
[04:33] <jsgotangco> did that do it by default?
[04:33] <rodarvus> Kamping_Kaiser, it looks like your panel is using icon sizes from another (probably accessibility) theme
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco, yes, the first update on edgy
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> it seems to be the default edubuntu theme, and if i keep it as is and just change the icons it rezises properly
[04:36] <rodarvus> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, the theme is really EdubuntuColors
[04:36] <ogra> gnome in edgy is not even half built
[04:36] <ogra> dont expect it to work properly
[04:37] <rodarvus> actually, don't expect Edgy to work at this time :)
[04:37] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, i wouldnt run edgy yet
[04:37] <rodarvus> its supposed to be quite broken for the next weeks
[04:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, i see ;)
[04:38] <ogra> sbartleylinux, nope, not yet, but he has many questions, so we can trade them ;)
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm aware its supposed to break, its the fun of it. i was just wondering if jumbo top bars were part of the deal :)
[04:38] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: are you taking over xorg?
[04:38] <ogra> (sorry, i'm particulary busy with merges so i'm not watching IRC often atm)
[04:38] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, "taking over" is an exageration :)
[04:38] <rodarvus> I'll help sync our X packages with debian's
[04:39] <rodarvus> and hopefully, later update it to 7.1
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:39] <rodarvus> funny thing is, infinity left for vacation today
[04:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:39] <rodarvus> and fabbione will likely do the same in the next few days :)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> i was talking to fabbione a few hours ago and said he's not maintaining it anymore =)
[04:40] <rodarvus> other devs I've poked at didn't bothered much about X
[04:40] <jsgotangco> so welcome our new xorg overlord
[04:40] <rodarvus> glup
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[04:40] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: just to let you know i did a bunch of bug rejects today...mostly old, unmaintained bug reports
[04:41] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, I've seen it, thanks :)
[04:41] <rodarvus> jsgotangco, do you know if there is any other QA person triaging X bugs?
[04:41] <jsgotangco> nope people fear it
[04:42] <jsgotangco> i the only community guy who seems to do it
[04:42] <rodarvus> btw, I'll /query you so we don't spam #edubuntu
[04:42] <jsgotangco> zakame is doing his SoC project so he hasn't been visible for a while
[04:45] <rodarvus> I'm looking for highvoltage, but he went offline a few hours ago
[04:45] <rodarvus> did he told anyone if he plans to come back online today?
[04:45] <sbartleylinux> ogra: k.  This is becoming a priority for us.  We only have about two weeks left before we go to alpha on our project.
[04:47] <sbartleylinux> ogra: np. please let me know if there is work we can do to help with this.  I will pull our developers in to help.
[05:16] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: where did you go?
[05:16] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: ^^
[05:19] <rodarvus> haha
[05:19] <rodarvus> I was helping my daughter with her lunch
[05:39] <Yagisan> Why is it, even the simplest of build systems hate me today ?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:41] <Yagisan> at least I can read what my cmake file is supposed to do hours after writing it, unlike autotools
[05:44] <RobinShepheard> hello all
[05:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:45] <RobinShepheard> hiya jsgotangco, how are you??
[05:45] <jsgotangco> ahh just lookiing at some bugs and rejecting them at will
[05:45] <RobinShepheard> lol
[05:45] <Laser_away> excellent
[05:46] <sbalneav> Morning LaserJock
[05:47] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:51] <RobinShepheard> hiya LaserJock
[05:52] <LaserJock> hi  RobinShepheard
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> I maybe mad I know but in attempt to understand the full edubuntu/ubuntu system I have just nuked my laptop and have built debian system on it
[05:53] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> it has provided me with a chance to get into some of the nitty gritty of the system that is hidden byt edubuntu/ubuntu
[05:53] <RobinShepheard> such as intel wireless cards :(
[05:54] <RobinShepheard> took several hours to get that working properly
[05:54] <LaserJock> heh
[05:55] <RobinShepheard> how does edubuntu/ubuntu handle things like that, is it a case of the modules being built automagically, where as on debian they have to be done by hand
[05:56] <RobinShepheard> are they even the same modules or do we have a custom version??
[05:56] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:56] <RobinShepheard> I am not sure where to look to find out either
[05:57] <LaserJock> I'm guessing in the kernel package ;-)
[05:57] <RobinShepheard> given the development model, would these questions be better aimed at the ubuntu lists do you reckon
[05:58] <LaserJock> hmm, you might try ubuntu-user if you do
[05:59] <RobinShepheard> hmm not a bad plan. I just decided while I can use the system with few problems, I would like to understand it better so that I can do more
[05:59] <RobinShepheard> eg how the whole thing is put together
[06:00] <RobinShepheard> then maybe I can help with the development a bit
[06:00] <RobinShepheard> rather than just stand on the side lines so to speak
[06:00] <LaserJock> good idea
[06:01] <RobinShepheard> I thought so, and I figured as the underlying system is debian, I would start there and work up
[06:01] <LaserJock> I usually just learn by digging in, I have given up on the idea that I can know how my computer works from the ground up :-)
[06:02] <RobinShepheard> fair point, I was just thinking of the interaction in the os itself, eg bits like the modules and stuff
[06:02] <RobinShepheard> and how the installer works
[06:03] <LaserJock> go for it! I wish I had time to do that more
[06:04] <RobinShepheard> well, I am sort of tying it into work, as I am, with the bosses approval, looking at a migration from windoze to linux
[06:04] <RobinShepheard> so some reseach time and a few of the books are on them
[06:05] <LaserJock> that's the way to do it
[06:05] <RobinShepheard> well i DO try
[06:06] <RobinShepheard> oh and I am also trying to move flats at the mo, so I am not around as much as usual
[06:07] <RobinShepheard> I have to wait for internet to be connected at the new flat
[06:15] <LaserJock> rodarvus: dang, they got you working quick!
[06:15] <bluekuja> LaserJock, hello :)
[06:15] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yes, that was fast
[06:15] <LaserJock> hi bluekuja
[06:15] <bluekuja> oh hello rodarvus
[06:15] <rodarvus> actually I was asked to do that in Paris
[06:15] <jsgotangco> he got framed up
[06:15] <rodarvus> bluekuja, hello
[06:15] <bluekuja> LaserJock, I need to ask you something in pm
[06:15] <bluekuja> :)
[06:16] <LaserJock> k
[06:23] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: who works on g-a-i?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> mvo and glatzor mostly, i just send useless patches
[06:24] <LaserJock> I'm liking it more and more every day
[06:24] <jsgotangco> we work on it in a bzr mainline but branch as well
[06:25] <jsgotangco> that's nice to know
[06:25] <LaserJock> if only I could code, I'd have so much fun working on these things ;-)
[06:25] <RobinShepheard> I got to go, see you all around sometime
[06:26] <jsgotangco> heh its the reverse on my side, i could code (not great though), but i can barely make a proper package heh
[06:26] <jsgotangco> its mostly python and glade work
[06:26] <LaserJock> cool, I'm a big python+glade fan
[06:27] <jsgotangco> bzr has been great help on it
[06:28] <LaserJock> yeah? pete and I have been using bzr for the gisomount thing. very nice
[06:29] <jsgotangco> yeah the actually app has already 300+ revisions so it can be a bit slow sometimes especially using the visualization tool
[06:29] <LaserJock> yeah, that's really my only complaint with bzr, it's not as fast as I'd like it to be
[06:30] <jsgotangco> https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-app-install/+branches
[06:31] <LaserJock> heh
[06:31] <LaserJock> love the branch name ;-)
[06:31] <LaserJock> or I guess that's the author
[06:33] <jsgotangco> the new one for edgy will be using popcon data =D
[06:33] <LaserJock> hmmm
[06:34] <LaserJock> do we have much of any popcon data yet?
[06:34] <jsgotangco> its been running for quite a while so i guess yes
[06:34] <LaserJock> we really should use it better
[06:34] <jsgotangco> its installed by default but not activated
[06:34] <LaserJock> right
[06:34] <jsgotangco> so we will probably ask people to activate if if the want to
[06:34] <LaserJock> it'd be nice to have a popup after install or something that offers to activate
[06:35] <LaserJock> because I'm guess the percentage of people who even know about it is quite small and biased towards more advanced users
[06:37] <jsgotangco> i dunno the strategy for that yet but we all have it in our computers at the moment so its just a matter of turning them on with the user's knowledge
[06:37] <jsgotangco> and consent
[06:38] <jsgotangco> awww geeezzz and i though germany was bound to lose
[06:39] <jsgotangco> not that it'll affect ogra =)
[06:51] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <LaserJock> cya jsgotangco
[07:45] <LaserJock> ogra: do you think it would be any help if I were to poke somebody about getting dynamic-menus reviewed?
[07:47] <ogra> poke mdz
[07:50] <DanielC> LaserJock: Thanks for writing the Packaging Guide :)
[07:50] <DanielC> LaserJock: I heard that you're responsible for it...
[07:50] <bddebian> Yeah, LaserJock is DA MAN
[07:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:51] <LaserJock> DanielC: well, I had lots of help
[07:51] <DanielC> I do admit that I struggle with the debian/rules part though... but the rest has been great so far.
[07:52] <LaserJock> well, debian/rules has all the action so it is a bit difficult to explain
[07:52] <LaserJock> the other files are fairly predictable
[07:52] <mdz> ogra: s/mdz/the review team/
[07:52] <mdz> ogra: poke me when it's ready for approval
[07:52] <DanielC> LaserJock:  I guess that it could merit a chapter of its own...
[07:52] <ogra> oh, sorry
[07:53] <ogra> right
[07:53] <DanielC> LaserJock: But even for someone who has written a couple of Makefiles before, debian/rules is not very clear...
[07:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:54] <DanielC> LaserJock: Can you tell me where this "debian/tmp" directory is?
[07:58] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:59] <jsgotangco> couldn't sleep
[07:59] <DanielC> jsgotangco: Where are you located? What time is it for yoU?
[07:59] <DanielC> u
[07:59] <jsgotangco> almost 2am
[07:59] <jsgotangco> (manila)
[07:59] <DanielC> ok
[07:59] <bddebian> DanielC: Usually under the build dir.  So if I have foo-1.2  it would be foo-1.2/debian/tmp
[08:00] <LaserJock> DanielC: where do you see debian/tmp? in the hello packages?
[08:00] <cbx33> hey peeps
[08:00] <cbx33> what's shakin
[08:00] <DanielC> LaserJock: The packaging guide, when explaining debian/rules
[08:00] <LaserJock> k
[08:00] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[08:00] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[08:00] <cbx33> hi LaserJock DanielC
[08:04] <juliux> hi cbx33
[08:05] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[08:07] <LaserJock> DanielC: btw, you are welcome to send patches for the Packaging Guide ;-)
[08:08] <DanielC> LaserJock: :)  If I can figure out how to make packages, I wouldn't mind contributing a little bit.
[08:09] <DanielC> I just don't want to over-commit myself.
[08:10] <LaserJock> DanielC: hehe, no pressure. I just want to let everybody know they can send in patches no problem
[09:17] <cbx33> Hi LaserJock
[09:19] <LaserJock> hi
[09:19] <cbx33> how are you
[11:23] <HedgeMage> hiya
[11:23] <DanielC> hey
[11:24] <DanielC> Question: What's your role in Ubuntu?
[11:24] <DanielC> I'm still trying to learn the cast...
[11:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:25] <LaserJock> that's a cool way of putting it
[11:25] <DanielC> :)
[11:25] <crimsun> huge cast.
[11:25] <crimsun> 6 billion cast members.
[11:26] <DanielC> I'll start with Ubuntu members ;-)
[11:28] <LaserJock> it's kind of odd when community people are involved, in the corporate world you get a job title :-)
[11:28] <HedgeMage> I'm mostly focused on cookbook right now but I plan to take on some dev stuff once cookbook is in shape
[11:28] <DanielC> You can still say "I usually work documentation"...
[11:29] <DanielC> HedgeMage: Ok, thanks.
[11:29] <crimsun> documentation is sorely overlooked and just about the most critical part of the distro
[11:29] <DanielC> I'd love to contribute to documentation, but I'm too over committed. I'm committed to the OpenDocument Fellowship...
[11:30] <DanielC> While we're on the topic of documentation, I have this idea of adding an OpenOffice.org user guide to Ubuntu.
[11:30] <DanielC> The OOoAuthors team (http://oooauthors.org) has written some.
[11:30] <DanielC> Disclaimer: I founded this project, so I'm biased.
[11:31] <crimsun> if you could help integrate/expand with example-content, that would rock
[11:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:31] <DanielC> I'm trying to figure out if/how this could be added to Ubuntu.
[11:31] <DanielC> (the OOo user guides... they're very good...)
[11:32] <DanielC> I'm hoping to find someone who can discuss this idea with me. Maybe someone from the documentation project.
[11:33] <crimsun> -> LaserJock
[11:33] <crimsun> #ubuntu-doc, too.
[11:33] <DanielC> I didn't get a lot of response at #ubuntu-doc...
[11:33] <DanielC> LaserJock, are you the documentation guy here?
[11:34] <crimsun> one of several iirc
[11:34] <LaserJock> oh sorry
[11:34] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:35] <DanielC> The OOo user guide is in OpenDocument format.
[11:35] <LaserJock> there's no inherent reason why docs *can't* be included
[11:35] <LaserJock> it's a matter of finding the right place, I think
[11:35] <DanielC> These guides are very good, really :)  They went through an amazing review process guided by some expert tech editors.
[11:36] <LaserJock> and they aren't included with OOo itself?
[11:36] <DanielC> FYI: http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/
[11:36] <DanielC> No, they aren't.
[11:36] <DanielC> OOo only comes with its Help system.
[11:37] <DanielC> I was thinking that we should have packages in Universr like 'openoffice.org-starter-guide' and 'openoffice.org-writer-guide'.
[11:37] <LaserJock> that's kinda what I was thinking
[11:37] <DanielC> Right now there are 3 published guides: Getting started; Writer guide; Drawing guide.
[11:37] <DanielC> :)
[11:38] <DanielC> I'm happy to learn how to make .deb files and maintain the package if that would help.
[11:38] <LaserJock> hmm, looks like quite a bit of content
[11:39] <DanielC> Each guide is a medium-sized book.
[11:39] <LaserJock> hmm, what would be cool is to package those up and then have a pointer to them in the Example Content
[11:40] <DanielC> What is "Example content"? A directory on the Live CD? A website?
[11:41] <LaserJock> it's a new package that was introduced in Dapper
[11:41] <DanielC> Ok.
[11:41] <LaserJock> it is a folder that has example content for various media formats
[11:41] <LaserJock> there is a link to it on a new users Desktop
[11:41] <DanielC> That does sound like a good idea. If you want examples of OpenDocument files...
[11:41] <DanielC> Ok, I know which one you're talking about now.
[11:42] <DanielC> I would do cartwheels if these guides made them to the Live CD under Example Content.
[11:42] <DanielC> That would be just awesome.
[11:43] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if the can go in there directly since it would be a lot of space
[11:43] <DanielC> Yes. The Getting Started Guide is almost 10MB uncompressed.
[11:43] <LaserJock> but I'm sure it can be noted in there at least, or perhaps having a sample page
[11:43] <DanielC> The Writer guide is bigger.
[11:44] <DanielC> Maybe include *only* the Getting started guide. That's where new users would start anyways, and it introduces a bit of everything.
[11:44] <LaserJock> well, the LiveCD is already strained for space and the package would have to be in Main
[11:44] <DanielC> I see.
[11:44] <LaserJock> but you should definately talk to Henrik about it
[11:45] <DanielC> Who is Henrik? How do I reach him?
[11:46] <LaserJock> DanielC: https://launchpad.net/people/henrik and he does the example content
[11:46] <DanielC> Ok, I'll talk to him.
[11:46] <LaserJock> DanielC: but for sure we can make a Universe package for edgy
[11:46] <DanielC> And who would I talk to about including them in Universe?
[11:46] <LaserJock> me ;-)
[11:46] <DanielC> :-D
[11:46] <DanielC> Awesome.
[11:47] <DanielC> They are under a free license btw. GPL and Creative Commons Attribution.
[11:47] <LaserJock> yeah, first thing i looked for ;-)
[12:09] <bddebian> Heya


[00:09] <kolaman> Hi all
[00:11] <kolaman> I'm planning to record some videos (ubuntu 20.04) but there is a little bit noise (some sort of very low pitch sheeeeeeeeeeeeer voice).
[00:11] <kolaman> How can I cancel that noise from my videos, anyone experienced that ?
[00:42] <jjbuggle> 18.04->20.04 is still not out yet?  Sorry if this is a tired question
[00:44] <jjbuggle> ie.  update-manager -c still doesn't show the upgrade as available
[00:46] <jjbuggle> nevermind, I think I found the page I was looking for: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604
[00:49] <Bashing-om> jjbuggle: Have seen no indication yet that the path has been opened up - the discourse page is a closed thread :(
[00:52] <rgopi> hi guys when i run  this command  cc -S -Wall -O0 -o good5a -O0.s goodCode. i get error: invalid integral value '0.s' in '-O0.s'
[01:35] <jjbuggle> Bashing-om: AFAICT, from googling, and finding this: (https://askubuntu.com/questions/1266902/why-isnt-an-upgrade-to-20-04-from-18-04-available-yet)     That discourse page is where the bugs are being tracked overall.  And it looks like that one bug mentioned is still not fixed.  *shrug*  best info I've got so far.  Not sure what to make of the bug yet.
[01:40] <Bashing-om> jjbuggle: Have seen no indication yet that the path has been opened up - the discourse page is a closed thread :( If you are in a hurry to upgrade, there is a means.
[01:43] <Bashing-om> jjbuggle: I do appreciate the feebdback :D - "CLOSED JUL 30" :( I too am somewhat dismayed that the link is not maintained.
[02:32] <WalterWhitesCook> Ubuntu 20.04 has experienced an internal error. ExecutablePath /usr/bin/gnome-control-center
[02:42] <samthewildone> Is it normal for 20.04LTS to consume a lot of memory?
[02:43] <akem> No.
[02:43] <samthewildone> I'm @ ~5GB/8GB with just hexchat opened. Up an additional gig when a browser is opened. Seems really high
[02:44] <samthewildone> wait hold up
[02:45] <akem> samthewildone, Look at what process is using the memory with the gnome task manager or top/atop etc.
[02:45] <kostkon> !memory
[02:46] <akem> No, if you really are out of memory some application or driver is maybe leaking.
[02:47] <samthewildone> akem, I'm using htop
[02:47] <samthewildone> nothing visibly noticeable with high mem usage
[02:48] <samthewildone> brb
[02:55] <samthewildone> MiB Mem :   7708.3 total,    421.2 free,   5569.0 used,   1718.0 buff/cache
[02:55] <samthewildone> oof
[02:55] <samthewildone> gnome-shell seems to be the culprit
[02:56] <samthewildone> will have to try mate
[02:57] <fretegi> good evning
[02:57] <fretegi> trying to rsync to backup a server, using rsync -av, however it wont preserver group persmissions...
[03:03] <fretegi> both filesystems xfs
[03:48] <samthewildone> is it possible to write an iso to a USB and have another partion on that same USB for storing additional files?
[03:49] <samthewildone> ex: /dev/sdb1 = bootable ISO image & /dev/sdb2 = FAT32 for storing files
[03:50] <guiverc> samthewildone, I've read howto's about doing that, but have no experience with multiboot from thumb-drives, so YES
[03:50] <samthewildone> oof
[03:52] <guiverc> samthewildone, they did include extra partition for 'shared' data
[03:52] <samthewildone> doesn't looks like I can write to it.
[03:52] <samthewildone> entire device is write protected.
[03:53] <samthewildone> having this slow USB2.0 writing at 2.5MB/s is killing me!
[03:54] <samthewildone> file size I'm writing to USB is 2.5GB...
[03:54] <samthewildone> $9.99 USB... what should I had expect...
[03:54] <guiverc> samthewildone, be glad you don't have 160kb floppy disks
[03:54] <samthewildone> guiverc, I suffered with those in the past comrade
[03:55] <samthewildone> oh... wait 1.44mb
[03:55] <samthewildone> misread
[03:56] <guiverc> (the original ibm pc had 160kb floppies, SSSD)
[03:58] <samthewildone> i fought in the 56.6k trenches of dial-up on my HP compaq
[03:59] <samthewildone> when I was in college, professor wanted us to put our project on a 1.44mb floppy. This was in early 2010.
[03:59] <samthewildone> He was MAD
[04:00] <samthewildone> still made no sense to this day... everyone had been using USBs for the longest and here comes some English professor wanting to go down memory lane.
[04:00] <samthewildone> anyway, let me figure out the multiboot thing
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> hey Mathisen o/
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> lk: thank you for filing bug #1894391 looks pretty good!
[05:19] <willc> A CLI installed through apt-get requires that the tool be used without sudo, does a check on initialization and if in sudo exits with a message to run without sudo. However running without sudo errors out because it uses git clone but lacks the permissions to do so. What do I need to research to resolve this?
[05:39] <willc> Ahh. If while in root/sudo and I create a dir it is a root/sudo dir. Oops
[08:52] <deanc> Im trying to use the GUI network manager to add a vpn profile (which ive done), but it just fails and says this in the syslog VPN plugin: failed: connect-failed (1) - no more info
[08:52] <deanc> When trying to connect to it using vli openvpn --config my.ovpn it prompts for user/pass which i enter - and it works - but ONLY if i put sudo first...
[08:53] <deanc> *cli
[09:00] <deanc> Ive narrowed it down by enabling debugging in networkmanager
[09:00] <deanc> Options error: --crl-verify fails with '/var/lib/openvpn/chroot//home/dc/.cert/nm-openvpn/current-sweden-aes-128-cbc-udp-dns-crl-verify.pem': No such file or directory
[09:01] <deanc> this was all cobfigured automatically, but i can see the crl-verify is pointing to the right path at least in the gui...
[09:02] <deanc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/1835644 seems it's ubuntu bug
[09:03] <deanc> any workaround :<?
[09:19] <k_sze> Just me or it's no longer possible to connect Facebook account to GNOME?
[09:20] <k_sze> I get this error message from Facebook: App not set up: This app is still in development mode, and you don't have access to it. Switch to a registered test user or ask an app admin for permissions.
[10:24] <HiDeHo> I have Ubunytu 20.04 running in VBOX in OSX on my macbook Pro.. do I need to create a swap file or swap partition for use with US
[10:25] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: what's "US" ?
[10:28] <HiDeHo> oops i meant OS
[10:28] <HiDeHo> EriC^^: ^
[10:29] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: probably it would be a good idea, you could make a swapfile it's the same basically and easier to manage, expand, etc
[10:29] <HiDeHo> Just wondering if i need to make a swap file or vbox drive/partition for Ubuntu
[10:29] <HiDeHo> ok thanks
[10:29] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: no problem
[10:30] <HiDeHo> i have 16gb ram. do i need a 16gb swap or is that 32gb. When Ubuntu goes into sleep mode it freezes on wakeup.
[10:30] <HiDeHo> I always heard you need 2x ammount ram to use sleep mode?
[10:31] <HiDeHo> EriC^^: ^
[10:33] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: for hibernate you need as much as ram + a tiny bit more, but if you're using vbox you could just save the state i think, then reload it from where it was
[10:34] <EriC^^> it has a 'save machine state' in the menu for shutting off etc in vbox
[10:37] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: if you go with the hibernate option, remember to see how much ram you're giving the machine in vbox and use that for how big to make the swap
[10:44] <HiDeHo> right i get that. its just Ubuntu goes to sleep or screen saver and does not come out of it too well. thanks this gives me some ideas. The full ram is 16gb and cpu = 2.5 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5. I usually give VBox half of that
[10:44] <HiDeHo> thanks EriC^^
[10:45] <HiDeHo> EriC^^: so i would boot into ubuntuu in vbox and then make the swap file and put it on thje virtual machine drive?
[11:02] <yuri6037> Hi, I'm running an Ubuntu derivative system on an old ASUS laptop. This laptop does have a HDMI port so I though I could use it as a permanent player connected to a TV. However for some reasons the laptop cuts the picture displayed over HDMI. Does anyone know anything about such a problem?
[11:05] <yuri6037> I can maybe also remark that even some windows computers cuts the picture on that specific TV. I know that my Surface Book 2 running Win10 with a big USBC box is capable of rendering to that TV however it's not a permanent solution. However if I plug a cheap USBC box it will also cut the picture
[11:05] <yuri6037> The TV is an old TOSCHIBA
[11:19] <leibniz[m]> Can I install stuff on /opt/ without messing with my distro packages? (ubuntu 18.04)?
[11:21] <HiDeHo> Hi is there a way to increase the swap file size in Ubuntu.
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> HiDeHo  is this useful https://linuxhandbook.com/increase-swap-ubuntu/
[11:26] <HiDeHo> ok MonkeyDust will take a look
[11:26] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not..
[11:26] <aLinux`> xboxdrv ?
[11:33] <HiDeHo> MonkeyDust: that does not seem to do anything in a vbox guest os.
[11:33] <HiDeHo> it has not increased the size of the swap file.
[11:34] <qwertuttyty> Authoritative Reputable IP is the address of what?
[11:34] <qwertuttyty> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SCJzgMfwxs/
[11:35] <HiDeHo> oh wait i cant even delete or create anyting on the virtual hdd.
[11:36] <qwertuttyty>  Authoritative IP is the address of what?
[11:38] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[11:40] <nsaunders> I can't find a good SIP client. what can I use for VoIP?
[11:44] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: hi, sorry im back, if the sleep isnt working it isnt related to the swap, it might be some other issue, i dont know what to advise, usually in a baremetal machine if it has sleep issues it might be fixed with acpi stuff in the grub options
[11:45] <MonkeyDust> !voip | nsaunders
[11:45] <fenevadkan> hi. I have a MPOW BH456A bluetooth dongle using with bluetooth keyboard, it can be paired fine and works well, however after some time while not using it stops working, it cannot reconnect unless remove the device and pairing it again. How to fix it?
[11:46] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: if you type 'free -h' it should show how big the current swap is
[11:47] <qwertuttyty> "Address of the authoritative nameserver [required]" This phrase for me translates is not entirely clear. IP address dns server?
[11:47] <EriC^^> leibniz[m]: yes i think that no ubuntu repo packages install to /opt
[11:48] <EriC^^> not 100% sure though
[11:51] <nsaunders> MonkeyDust: no such thing as ekiga on ubuntu
[11:53] <MonkeyDust> nsaunders  idd, looks like !voip needs an update
[11:53] <nsaunders> MonkeyDust: https://askubuntu.com/q/1272967/847449
[11:53] <nsaunders> yes.
[11:56] <HiDeHo> EriC^^: atm i am trying to get read and write access to hdd
[11:57] <EriC^^> HiDeHo: how do you mean? what did you try doing but not able to?
[11:59] <HiDeHo> EriC^^: ok so i am trying to make the swap file bigger it did not work so then i checked and found i could not read and write to the virtual hdd of the os
[12:05] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:05] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:05] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:08] <nsaunders> I've installed jitsi:  https://askubuntu.com/q/1273051/847449  but how do I now launch it?
[12:10] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:10] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:10] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:10] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:11] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:11] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:11] <aLinux`> hello i have installed kubuntu latest lts. what driver makes me use my xbox one controler ? i did a reinstall yesterday and it worked before and now not.. xboxdrv ??
[12:12] <HiDeHo> aLinux`: atop flodding the channel please
[12:12] <HiDeHo> atop = stop
[12:13] <aLinux`> HiDeHo, there are 1156 ppl in here... (almost) and none would like to answer a simple question that im asking for almost one hour..
[12:13] <jeremy31> aLinux`: That might mean they don't know and you should search google, yahoo, DDG
[12:14] <aLinux`> i tried that for almost 8 hours..
[12:16] <HiDeHo> jeremy31: i hate people like that. but ..... i used to act like that when first using linux.
[12:17] <HiDeHo> i demanded instant help from Irc
[12:34] <Crashbit> Hi! Does anyone knows when I can update from 18.04LTS to 20.04LTS with do-release-upgrade without -d optioin?
[12:39] <EriC^^> Crashbit: i think you already can
[12:40] <EriC^^> Crashbit: try "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[12:40] <Crashbit> EriC^^: crashbit@sun:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -m server
[12:40] <Crashbit> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[12:40] <Crashbit> There is no development version of an LTS available.
[12:40] <Crashbit> Prompt=lts
[12:41] <EriC^^> Crashbit: silly question but did you try to apt-get update before?
[12:41] <Crashbit> EriC^^: yes, every day ;)
[12:42] <EriC^^> odd why it says "no development version"
[12:42] <Crashbit> yeah, I don't know
[12:44] <EriC^^> Crashbit: ah, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1266902/why-isnt-an-upgrade-to-20-04-from-18-04-available-yet
[12:44] <EriC^^> Crashbit: seems there's one bug they still are working out
[12:45] <Crashbit> EriC^^: thanks
[12:45] <EriC^^> Crashbit: no problem
[12:53] <tomreyn> nsaunders: the confusion around jitsi will be that jitsi used to be a java based client application, but it's bnow deprecated for the web based jitsi-meet (which is a server software, clients are web browsers accessing this over the web). note that jitsi-meet (and jitsi, too) is not in ubuntu('s default repositories) and thus not supported here. they may well have an irc channel of their own.
[13:28] <mm1379> On kubuntu and ubuntu 20.04 and kubuntu 18.04, I installed nvidia 390 driver.
[13:29] <mm1379> When I change gpu to nvidia dgpu (The other one is intel) and make a little a change in desktop such as moving the cursor or a window, nvidia setting shows rising clock speed and higher powermizer level that causes high power consumption and more heat.
[13:29] <mm1379> If I do not do anything with my laptop (not to moving cursor and etc.) The two factors i mentioned above (clock speed and powermizer level) will reduce.
[13:29] <mm1379> This clockspeed shouldn't be normal in idle mode.formerly nvidia diver itself could understand when change the power.
[13:29] <mm1379> What can I do?
[13:43] <lk> whats the easiest way to increase the size of my swap?
[13:43] <lk> make a new swap on a seperate disc?
[13:46] <EriC^^> lk: easiest way would be to make a swapfile if you have the free space
[13:48] <EriC^^> lk: https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[13:50] <Mat63> How to create an alarm or reminder in Ubuntu?
[13:51] <EriC^^> Mat63: sudo apt-get install alarm-clock-applet   it's a nice tool
[13:52] <Mat63> Excellent
[13:53] <lk> EriC^^: I already have one, so delete it and make a new one?
[13:54] <EriC^^> lk: yes, "sudo swapoff -a" then recreate
[13:58] <dasy2k1> hi all, im trying to compile something that is asking for fltk-config which i understand is provided by fltk1.3-dev however i cant seem to find this package avalable anywhere for ubuntu 20.04
[14:00] <EriC^^> dasy2k1: try sudo apt-get install libfltk1.3-dev
[14:01] <dasy2k1> EriC^^, thanks, you would think that the search in synaptic would have found that
[14:03] <EriC^^> dasy2k1: no problem
[14:06] <mra90> where should be libatopology located
[14:07] <mra90> I am getting alsa-tools compilation error that this lib has not been found
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:29] <oerheks> mra90, interesting, why do you build it yourself?
[14:29] <oerheks> and what guide do you follow?
[14:29] <mra90> need newer version for DEV purposes
[14:29] <mra90> the official one ./gicompile && make install
[14:30] <oerheks> libatopolog-dev ...?
[14:30] <mra90> "Unable to locate package libatopology-dev"
[14:30] <mra90> oerheks^
[14:31] <mra90> I have located libatoplogy.so and .so.2 files on my system
[14:31] <mra90> in /usr/lib/
[14:31] <oerheks> that is why i ask ..
[14:31] <mra90> I have tried to copy them to the same location where libasound is but it did not help
[14:31] <mra90> what is wrong?
[14:32] <oerheks> !info libatopology-dev
[14:32] <oerheks> why does your linux not find it?
[14:33] <oerheks> what ubuntu version, btw?
[14:33] <mra90> oerheks: I don;t know? :(
[14:33] <mra90> 18.04.4
[14:33] <mra90> sudo apt-get install libatopology-dev right?
[14:34] <mra90> Unable to locate....
[14:34] <oerheks> time to upgrade properly, we are at 18.0.45 now
[14:35] <mra90> how can I do upgrade it?
[14:35] <mra90> btw, where is that gicompile of alsatool looking for these libraries?
[14:35] <oerheks> run updates?
[14:35] <mra90> maybe I can just copy them to the right person?
[14:35] <oerheks> really, this is not you.
[14:36] <mra90> sorry to the right place
[14:37]  * mra90 need some sleep
[14:37] <mra90> what surprises me is that these libraries are there just ./gitcompile doesn't see them
[14:39] <mra90> it says "no linkable libatopology was found"
[14:39] <mra90> two lines above it says "checking for libatopology...yes
[14:39] <mra90> which sort of suggest me it found sth
[14:40] <Maik> if you applied all updates you should have 18.04.5 by now, even before the 18.04.5 point release iso came out
[14:40] <oerheks> without proper updates, apt update && apt full-upgrade, one keeps crashing
[14:41] <oerheks> oerheks> and what guide do you follow?
[14:43] <mra90> oerheks I have just cloned https://github.com/alsa-project/alsa-utils
[14:43] <mra90> and then go with ./gitcompile
[14:44] <mra90> earlier I have done the same with alsa-lib
[14:44] <mra90> and it worked
[14:44] <oerheks> well, try again after upgrading
[14:44] <mra90> oerheks but wait
[14:44] <mra90> this alsa tools are nothing new
[14:45] <mra90> this package should be well known for uybuntu for 20+ years
[14:45] <mra90> so why the heck ubuntu doesn't understand it
[14:45] <mra90> or rather doesn't recognize this package
[14:45] <oerheks> maybe, but your system is not finding the proper dev .. due to the lack of an updated .. wait, i do not releat myself good luck!
[14:45]  * oerheks facepalms
[14:46] <mra90> well that was my point you say "system doesn't recognize it because you miss the update" and I say "this package is nothing NEW!"
[14:47]  * mra90 faceplams too
[14:47] <mra90> so the idea of missing update is nonsense to me
[14:48] <ioria> mra90, if you are on bionic libatopology-dev is not available; you need to upgrade to focal
[14:49] <mra90> ioria: I am on LTS
[14:49] <ioria> mra90, if you are on bionic libatopology-dev is not available; you need to upgrade to focal
[14:49] <mra90> how can I check the flavour I am on?
[14:49] <ioria> mra90, you don't know it ?
[14:49] <mra90> uname -a doesn;t mention bionic nor focal
[14:50] <ioria> mra90,  cat /etc/issu
[14:50] <ioria> mra90,  cat /etc/issue
[14:50] <mra90> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[14:50] <ioria> mra90,  that's bionic
[14:51] <Doc-Saintly> Will increasing swap mitigate OOM process kills?
[14:55] <mra90> ioria: sudo apt dist-upgrade will be enoygh?
[14:55] <ioria> nope
[14:57] <mra90> ioria: so what else?
[14:58] <ioria> mra90,  another cmd (do-release-upgrade) but it's not recommended; install a fresh Focal
[14:59] <mra90> not recommended?
[14:59] <mra90> why?
[14:59] <mra90> bare dist-upgrade did not help in regards to that missing package
[14:59] <ioria> mra90, 1) it's not open yet; 2) you eventually need to cope with some issue
[15:00] <mra90> ok, thanks for letting me know
[16:25] <_jak> hi all! had some trouble with my latest update: when attempting to upgrade zsys, dpkg errors out because it can't connect to the zsys socket. There's an SO answer that recommends just removing zsys, but in that case the given user isn't using zfs as their main file system, like I am. Any thoughts on how to proceed?
[16:26] <_jak> I'm thinking just file an issue on GH and hold off on updating for now, but I wantred to see if there was any expertise I could benefit from here
[16:30] <samthewildone> is there a reason why transfer rates to USB 3.1 from a 3.1 port is extremely slow on Ubuntu?
[16:30] <samthewildone> went to the hassel of going to store only to be met with ~8MB/s on a USB3.1 claiming up to 130MB/s
[16:31] <tatertotz> lol
[16:32] <tatertotz> what do you get on USB 2.0?
[16:32] <samthewildone> 2.4 MB/s
[16:33] <samthewildone> I read the packaging wrong on this USB 3.1 drive.
[16:33] <samthewildone> read speeds up to 130 MB/s.
[16:37] <Doc-Saintly> The answer to my question is yes: increasing swap will prevent OOM from killing an app
[16:37] <rfm> _jak the question is why can't dpkg connect to the socket?  systemd should be listening to it (zsysd.socket unit) and starting zsysd when needed. What happens if you try "zsysctl show"?
[16:39] <Brewster> hi
[16:41] <Brewster> I am using linux mint 20 and I am in need of the hugepages package. I'm pretty sure linux mint 20 is using the focal repos from what I can see in the repo list but for some reason it isn't available.
[16:41] <Brewster> I also see the package here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/amd64/hugepages/2.21-0ubuntu1
[16:41] <Brewster> but it is nowhere to be found in synaptic
[16:42] <oerheks> Brewster, find the mint channel, we don't support forks, see !topic
[16:43] <Brewster> :>
[16:43] <oerheks> good luck..
[16:43] <Brewster> ok
[16:43] <Brewster> thanks
[16:44] <tatertotz> samthewildone: your 3.1 speed is over 2x that of 2.0 which sounds about right
[16:50] <samthewildone> tatertotz, I was able to fix the problem. Had to format to NTFS, wrote 2.5GB to the disk in under a minute.
[16:51] <samthewildone> The USB was formatted to FAT32
[16:51] <_jak> rfm: same socket error -- but checking the status of zsysd.socket shows an error from yesterday where it failed to listen to the socket
[16:53] <rfm> _jak, so that zsysd.socket error is the root problem.
[16:53] <rfm> _jak, or at least closer to the root.
[16:53] <_jak> rfm: hmm, seems like it stopped for some reason. I restarted it and that seems to have worked, but there's nothing in journalctl or the syslog indicating why it might have stopped
[16:54] <oerheks> _jak, if it happens again in 10 min, https://github.com/ubuntu/zsys/issues/79
[16:55] <_jak> thanks oerheks
[16:55] <_jak> and thanks rfm!
[16:57] <oerheks> and https://askubuntu.com/questions/1259745/ubuntu-apt-zsys-error
[16:57] <oerheks> not sure it is the same package
[17:01] <rfm> looks like the same thing.  zsys 0.4.7 fixes the problem and is now in updates, but the problem keeps updates from running. nice catch-22 there.
[18:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> is there a way to have separate wokspaces on different monitors in a dual display setup in ubuntu focall?
[18:25] <joe_alf> :sh
[18:25] <joe_alf> ops
[18:45] <elagost> hey all, having trouble with weechat on 20.04 server. Won't connect to freenode without setting ssl verify off. Any way to make it trust let's encrypt?
[19:01] <oerheks> elagost, have you tried #freenode?
[19:02] <oerheks> or https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_quickstart.en.html
[19:13] <jeremy31> elagost: what port are you using?
[19:48] <nbusrone> Where is gnome-search-tools ? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/gnome-search-tool.1.html
[19:56] <oerheks> yay, Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) is now powered by Linux Kernel 5.8
[19:56] <wb9688> What package that's installed by default on Ubuntu provides that thing that occasionally pops up saying that there are updates available for some packages?
[19:58] <nbusrone> oerheks : what other GUI search tools ?
[19:58] <nbusrone> oerheks : gnome search tools not available , drop ?
[19:59] <oerheks> nbusrone, ?
[19:59] <oerheks> when i hit windows key, i can search
[20:01] <nbusrone> oerheks : nothing in the search when i hit windows key.
[20:03] <oerheks> the man url gives a clue .. gnome-search-tool --help
[20:03] <oerheks> i never used it on comandline, only locate and find
[20:04] <nbusrone> oerheks : nothing show up on command line , how do you search file specific on size , date and etc ? only gnome search tools or commandline search able to do it
[20:05] <EriC^^> wb9688: it might be "update-manager"
[20:05] <EriC^^> !info update-manager | wb9688
[20:07] <nbusrone> oerheks : It really remove , looks like there is a deb file for it , working now https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/xenial/universe/base/gnome-search-tool
[20:08] <nbusrone> even though on 16.04 Xenial
[20:08] <kostkon> nbusrone, not a sensible thing to do but ok
[20:08] <nbusrone> kostkon : yeh , but wonder why they remove it , it's a good tools for gui
[20:09] <oerheks> !info gnome-search-tool
[20:09] <oerheks> oh
[20:09] <oerheks> nautilus can search pretty neat
[20:10] <wb9688> EriC^^: It looks like that is indeed the package, thanks!
[20:10] <nbusrone> oerheks : quite useful when search by date and size and regular expression and etc
[20:10] <EriC^^> wb9688: no problem
[20:12] <krytarik> nbusrone: "RoM; unmaintained limited usefulness; Debian bug #885975" - from its publishing history.
[21:07] <isene> Has something odd happened to urxvt in the last few days? I did a general update and now ' export TERM="rxvt-unicode-256color" ' yields ' tput: unknown terminal "rxvt-unicode-256color" ' 8 times when i do ' man ls '. There is no ' rxvt-unicode-256color ' in /usr/share/terminfo/r/
[21:10] <nbusrone> krytarik : Not sure how it consider less useful in GUI base https://imgur.com/cFYfDLe beside typing in command line.Then , what is the alternative for gnome-search-tools which have those search function ?
[21:32] <isene> There is now indeed a missing "rxvt-unicode-256color" in ' /usr/share/terminfo/r/ ' which I solved by ' cp /lib/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode-256color /usr/share/terminfo/r/ ' Something is amiss here. But solved for now.
[21:41] <amazoniantoad> Is there a way to downgrade via terminal? I currently have 20.04 but I want to downgrade to 18.04. Unfortunately I'm not physically in front of the machine
[22:03] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: release downgrades are not really possible, certainly not supported. you need to reinstall, if you really want to. why would you need to, though? did you consider running legacy software in a container instead?
[22:56] <mxuser> journalctl
[22:59] <texla> How to change background in Ubuntu 20.04 cinammon
[23:01] <jeremy31> texla: right click on background?  Change desktop background
[23:02] <kostkon> texla, try right clicking on your desktop and see if you'll get a menu with such an option
[23:03] <kostkon> jeremy31 beat me to it
[23:05] <texla> Have been trying from the desktop opens photo's but cannot change to another photo
[23:47] <arooni> on resume on ubuntu 20.04 the audio defaults to hdmi port and not speakers/headphoens.  1) anyway to make it stop trying to pipe output to hdmi?  2) anwyay to make it auto switch from speaker to headphones when they're plugged in?  right now i have to use pauvcontrol to move output from one to the other
[23:53] <craigbass76> Anyone know how to remove GRUB when booted to a live ISO (USB)? Anything I'm seeing on line is how to delete it from Windows.
[23:58] <gunccc> I try to run live cd with "toram" option on two hardware systems. the first one works, on the second the system restarts when loading. is there a option to stop on error?
[23:58] <gunccc> how much RAM should I have?