[16:01] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:01] <pitti> kees, mdeslaur, slangasek: infinity sent his apologies; waiting for stgraber (he's supposed to chair today)
[16:01] <pitti> not that we'd have much of an agenda, except the dragged MAAS MRE
[16:02] <mdeslaur> yep
[16:02] <kees> cool
[16:05]  * stgraber waves
[16:06] <kees> hola
[16:06] <mdeslaur> hi stgraber
[16:06] <pitti> ça va stgraber
[16:06] <mdeslaur> stgraber: and here we thought you were trying to skip out on your chairing duties :)
[16:06] <stgraber> nah, just came back from the shop :)
[16:07] <stgraber> #startmeeting Technical Board meeting
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[16:07] <stgraber> #topic Action review
[16:07] <stgraber> infinity to review and respond to MAAS SRU thread
[16:07] <stgraber> well, infinity isn't around so I guess we'll just carry that one over
[16:08] <stgraber> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[16:08] <pitti> mdeslaur got a response to the MAAS thread
[16:08] <pitti> or two in fact
[16:08] <mdeslaur> do we really need to wait for infinity on that one?
[16:08] <pitti> but at this point I feel like we don't get any more useful answers
[16:09] <pitti> I still don't have the feeling that I know how they ensure backwards compatibility, but I could just be overly paranoid
[16:10] <pitti> mdeslaur: "legally" we don't, a single +1 is enough for an MRE, but some consensus is certainly prudent
[16:10] <mdeslaur> they claim the API with the nodes will be stable, but don't mention how they plan on making sure of that
[16:10] <mdeslaur> actually, I think I'll ask that as a follow up question
[16:11] <stgraber> ok, so back to the ML for that one
[16:11] <stgraber> that's the only thing I see in the ML history for September so I guess we didn't miss anything :)
[16:11] <stgraber> #topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[16:11] <stgraber> still nothing
[16:11] <stgraber> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)
[16:12] <stgraber> that'd be infinity
[16:12] <stgraber> #topic AOB
[16:12] <stgraber> anything anyone?
[16:12] <kees> nothing from me.
[16:12] <pitti> nothing from me either
[16:13] <mdeslaur> nope
[16:14] <ScottK> Re MAAS, they are currently pushing for invasive changes in psycopg.
[16:14] <ScottK> It makes me wonder how they expect to support trusty.
[16:15] <pitti> well, if they only make that to trunk, not to the stable branches, that'd be ok?
[16:15] <mdeslaur> ScottK: oh? do you know what changes those are, or where they've been discussed?
[16:15] <pitti> I'm not sure whether we are still talking about microreleases only, or new major releases; but I expect the latter (yay terminology)
[16:15] <ScottK> Looking for the bug.
[16:16] <pitti> indeed, sorry, it explicitly said "new releases"
[16:16]  * pitti confused, sorry
[16:16] <pitti> anyway, there's precedent; newer python modules could be bundled into the new release
[16:16] <pitti> (which is fairly simple with python)
[16:17] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/psycopg2/+bug/1366104
[16:17] <mdeslaur> thanks ScottK
[16:18] <mdeslaur> hrm, interesting
[16:19] <stgraber> pitti: though psycopg2 contains a C extension module, so still possible but not nearly as clean :)
[16:19] <mdeslaur> but it uses a libpq 9.3 only api
[16:20] <pitti> I'm not sure how much pressure there is to also put new maas releases to 12.04
[16:20] <pitti> the effort/gain ratio seems too big for me (but that's just gut feeling)
[16:20] <ScottK> Which is why it's a much more invasive change than the sloc count indicates.
[16:21] <ScottK> I'm assuming they decided not to care about 12.04 anymore.
[16:22] <mdeslaur> their request to the tech board was for "latest LTSes"
[16:22] <ScottK> Upstream pretty much said "you're on your own" re backport the change.
[16:23] <ScottK> Then at least the libpq is there.
[16:23] <pitti> latest LTS seems reasonable
[16:23] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:23] <mdeslaur> if you want changes in other packages, that's up to the SRU to decide whether they are acceptable or not
[16:23] <mdeslaur> s/you/they/
[16:23] <pitti> yeah, fixes are certainly okay
[16:23] <ScottK> In this case I'll say not.
[16:24] <mdeslaur> if they can't get the fixes they require, then it's up to them to work around them
[16:24] <pitti> like, fixing psycopg to get along with large files smells like a bug fix worth having in an LTS
[16:24] <ScottK> The psycopg2 change is way more than a fix.
[16:24] <pitti> I didn't look into it in detail, just the description and some comments
[16:25] <pitti> but https://github.com/psycopg/psycopg2/pull/259/files looks reasonable at first sight
[16:25] <ScottK> I'd say changing the libpq API you're using post-release is crazy.
[16:25] <pitti> (not sure if that's an ABI break due to teh changed types)
[16:25] <mdeslaur> well, the code is condition and checks the version
[16:25] <mdeslaur> conditional
[16:26] <ScottK> Who knows what latent bugs exist in the new api.
[16:26] <pitti> anyway, putting that detail aside, if changes to other packages are not applicable as an SRU, there's always the bundling option, or working around it in another way
[16:26] <mdeslaur> right
[16:26] <ScottK> We'd get the new api on 14.04 since we'd build against 9.3.
[16:27] <pitti> right, and 14.04 is all we talk about, isn't it?
[16:27] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:27] <ScottK> Which is why backporting that patch concerns me.
[16:28] <ScottK> 'Works with MAAS' doesn't really help.
[16:28] <ScottK> It's everyone else I worry about.
[16:29] <pitti> yes, that's what I mean -- if that change is too intrusive for an SRU, there's other ways to get this for maas
[16:29] <pitti> (I didn't claim that the psycopg fix was fine for an SRU, just that it looks reasonable at first sight)
[16:29] <mdeslaur> if the change gets NACKed by the SRU team, it's up to them to work around it somehow
[16:29] <ScottK> So it'd be nice to consider the possibility they have to bundle stuff in any MRE approval.
[16:30] <pitti> yes, I think for some bits that's quite unavoidable
[16:30] <ScottK> To bring us back to the topic.
[16:30] <pitti> e. g. if there's a new dependency which is in trusty universe we don't want to promote it post-release
[16:30] <pitti> (or binNEW it, etc.)
[16:31] <pitti> at least then both the effort and the impact of bundled stuff is restricted to maas itself and its devs
[16:31] <ScottK> (or add a patch that's not SRU suitable)
[16:31] <pitti> and the latter will make sure that it doesn't happen too often
[16:31] <ScottK> Yes.
[16:31] <pitti> ScottK: yeah, obviously
[16:33] <pitti> so, are we done for today then?
[16:33]  * pitti smells dinner, yummy :)
[16:33]  * kees waves
[16:34] <mdeslaur> I think we are
[16:34]  * pitti waves good bye then, see you!
[16:34] <pitti> stgraber: *nudge*
[16:34]  * ScottK waves.
[16:34] <mdeslaur> thanks!
[16:40] <stgraber> oops :)
[16:40] <stgraber> #endmeeting
[16:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 30 16:40:28 2014 UTC.
[16:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2014/ubuntu-meeting-2.2014-09-30-16.07.moin.txt


[00:02] <poolie> omg
[00:07] <jml> back
[00:07] <jml> poolie: what?
[00:08] <poolie> that's a lot of intent
[00:08] <poolie> your mouse finger must be sore
[00:17] <fp_> hello
[00:30] <poolie> hello
[00:37] <jml> poolie: I just open a lot of tabs :)
[00:37] <jml> poolie: and then close them as I'm done.
[00:40] <poolie> i thought so
[00:40] <poolie> me too
[00:40] <jml> I'd really love gmail-style up/down navigation
[01:37] <jml> jelmer: hi
[01:37] <jelmer> jml, hi!
[01:37] <jml> jelmer: I'm looking at bug 242041 at the moment -- it's the last "new" bug on Launchpad Bazaar
[01:38] <jml> jelmer: I'm having trouble figuring out what the actual underlying problem is.
[01:40] <jelmer> jml: So, I registered some of the branches on bzr-mirror.gnome.org
[01:40] <jelmer> and somebody expressed concern that I could delete one of those branches and break peoples workflow
[01:41] <jelmer> they also couldn't register the branches themselves since lp uses urls
[01:41] <jml> *nod*
[01:42] <jml> ok. I think I understand better now.
[01:42] <jml> (I think the problem was reading the bug from your POV rather than the concerned person's POV)
[01:50] <jelmer> jml: this is a bit related to the bugs about being able to programmatically change the owner of the branch and displaying the owner rather than the registrant
[01:51] <jelmer> since team-owned branches are probably trusted better than individual-owned ones
[01:52] <jml> jelmer: *nod*
[01:53] <jelmer> jml, another thing related to this
[01:53] <jelmer> jml: we've got a script that can register the branches on bzr-mirror.gnome.org
[01:53] <jelmer> at the moment we've only run it for the trunk of each project there but it also can register the other branches
[01:54] <jelmer> jml: however, that would register 5000 extra branches
[01:54] <jml> jelmer: what's the problem there?
[01:55] <jelmer> jml: concern that I would DDoS launchpad
[01:55] <jml> jelmer: yeah, that's an interesting concern :)
[01:56] <jelmer> jml: it should be able to handle that (given there's some 10k registered now)?
[01:56] <jml> jelmer: so, I don't think that would be a problem (we won't start mirroring all 5000 at once) but I'm not 100% sure.
[01:57] <jelmer> jml: Ok; I'll ask again once it's possible to change the owner of a branch
[01:57] <jml> gimme a sec to finish writing on this bug report :)
[01:58] <jelmer> jml: I manually changed the owner to "gnome-bzr-mirror" for the trunks of all projects
[01:58] <jml> jelmer: are these mirrored branches or remote branches?
[01:58] <jelmer> jml: what's the difference?
[01:59] <jml> jelmer: mirrored branches are remote branches that Launchpad tries to mirror.
[02:00] <jelmer> these are mirrored branches
[02:00] <jml> jelmer: ok.
[02:01] <jml> jelmer: you wouldn't know the bug number for changing the owner offhand, would you?
[02:01] <jelmer> jml, 242040
[02:01] <jelmer> ubottu, bug 242040
[02:02] <jml> thanks.
[02:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: I have time now, if you're around.
[02:15] <mwhudson> wgrant: i'm kind of hungry for lunch
[02:15] <wgrant> mwhudson: Then eat.
[02:15] <mwhudson> wgrant: have you seen the comments on the bug you filed?
[02:15] <wgrant> mwhudson: I have.
[02:15] <mwhudson> ok
[02:16] <wgrant> As you say (or was it jml?), making the link more prominent would probably work. And maybe reducing that enormous body of text.
[02:21] <mwhudson> yeah, that's pretty bad
[02:22] <wgrant> mpt also pointed out that the Firefox references on every instance of that page are a bit strange.
[02:23] <mwhudson> ah yes
[02:23] <mwhudson> i think the whole series/release/milestone thing is a separate ui disaster though
[02:24] <wgrant> It certainly confuses lots of people.
[02:25] <mwhudson> it confused _me_ and i can read the source code to find out what's going on!
[02:25]  * mwhudson goes for lunch
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh *classy*
[03:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: The imports page also doesn't make it clear whether I should have added /trunk to the end of the Subversion URL. It does say that only trunk will be imported, but that doesn't help me with the URL.
[03:16] <Peng> Um, is it just me, or is LP slow?
[03:16] <Peng> Oh, no, it's just that some requests time out.
[03:25] <jml> wgrant: do you mean the new-imports page?
[03:28] <Peng> jml: I pressed the button to have LP try to access one of my bzr+http branches 10 or 20 minutes ago, but it hasn't happened yet. Is the puller down?
[03:28] <Peng> Or behind?
[03:29] <jml> Peng: I don't think so.
[03:29] <jml> Peng: I don't really have enough access to say though
[03:30] <Peng> Well, it hasn't done it yet.
[03:30] <jml> wgrant: bug 246803 filed.
[03:30] <Peng> It still says "Launchpad will try again shortly.". Usually it only takes a couple minutes.
[03:30] <jml> Peng: hmm.
[03:31] <jml> Peng: I'll chase it up once someone with access to the relevant box becomes available.
[03:33] <Peng> I just pressed it for another branch too.
[03:33] <jml> Peng: URLs?
[03:34] <Peng> jml: The first one was https://code.launchpad.net/~mnordhoff/pytz/pytz-2008c (as usual) and the second (just a minute ago) was https://code.launchpad.net/~mnordhoff/loggerhead/fix-atom-links
[03:34] <jml> Peng: thanks.
[03:34] <Peng> My trivial branches really don't deserve the amount of effort being put into this. :P
[03:35] <jml> Peng: heh.
[03:38] <alecwh> I'm having an issue with Launchpad, and it says that if this problem persists, to let you guys know. "Please try again                    Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.                             Try reloading this page in a minute or two.           If the problem persists, let us know in           the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. " I was trying to login, and after quite a while, I got that.
[03:38] <alecwh> and it has persisted for about 9 minutes now.
[03:39] <jml> alecwh: what page are you trying to access?
[03:39] <alecwh> The URL says "https://launchpad.net/phpns/+announce"
[03:39] <alecwh> but I was just logging in to make an announcement. I believe the previous URL was https://launchpad.net/phpns/+login
[03:40] <jml> Peng: btw, have you seen any access from Launchpad on your webserver?
[03:41] <jml> alecwh: I'll take a look.
[03:41] <alecwh> jml: I believe the issue is resolved... I refreshed and it worked.
[03:41] <alecwh> You should know though, I refreshed several times before this. =)
[03:41] <jml> alecwh: hmm. thanks.
[03:42] <Peng> jml: No, I haven't.
[04:01] <mwhudson> wgrant: hm, that's a good point and might explain why so many people supply wrong urls for imports...
[04:02] <wgrant> mwhudson: Was I right this time, putting /trunk on the end?
[04:02] <jml> mwhudson: I filed bug 246803 for that.
[04:02] <mwhudson> wgrant: yes
[04:03] <mwhudson> wgrant: i approved your import btw
[04:03] <wgrant> mwhudson: So I saw. I thought long and hard about which I was meant to use.
[04:03] <wgrant> Thanks.
[04:03] <mwhudson> wgrant: thanks for conveying your confusion rather than suffering in silence
[04:04] <wgrant> mwhudson: I do that a bit. I think I've filed over 120 LP bugs.
[04:24] <Peng> jml: LP just accessed the first branch 5 minutes ago, and failed for a new reason: "AssertionError: <bzrlib.bzrdir.BzrDirMeta1 object at 0x94d294c> is not a RemoteBzrDir".
[04:24] <Peng> Heh, that's 13 failures total now. :D
[04:24] <jml> Peng: right. I think we talked about this yesterday :)
[04:24] <Peng> Oh, right.
[04:24] <Peng> Never mind then.
[04:25] <Peng> Sorry.
[04:25] <jml> Peng: :)
[04:25] <jml> Peng: no worries.
[04:25] <jml> Peng: Sorry it's been such a hassle getting your branches mirrored.
[04:26] <Peng> It's no problem. AFAIK only one person uses the mirrors. :P
[04:28] <Peng> Ah, LP just tried to mirror the second branch, and another one I just registered.
[04:28] <Peng> They both failed for the same reason.
[04:55] <kgoetz> if i'm oopsing is it worth filing a bug, or will it get dealt with 'when its ready'?
[05:07] <pwnguin> should i report a missing .css or do we know about it?
[05:08] <mwhudson> pwnguin: have you tried shift-reloading?
[05:08] <pwnguin> hmm
[05:08] <pwnguin> i did not try that
[05:09] <pwnguin> but it works
[05:09] <spiv> mwhudson: don't we rename the CSS files every time they change to avoid that problem?
[05:09] <mwhudson> spiv: not any more, it seems
[05:10] <mwhudson> pwnguin: cool
[08:57] <parumi> hi, is there any launchpad operator here? i have a pending question in the web app which I need to have answered. is here the right place to ask?
[08:58] <beuno> parumi, it is, you just need to wait an hour or so for all of them to get to work.  What's the URL to your question?
[08:58] <parumi> this is the url. https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/37456
[08:59] <parumi> ok, i'll ask again in few hours
[08:59]  * beuno pokes mwhudson
[09:00] <beuno> parumi, stick around, if nobody answers, I'll start poking more people  :)
[09:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:00] <beuno> mornin' mpt
[09:00]  * beuno continues packing
[09:01] <mpt> packing?
[09:02] <beuno> I'm being moved to another hotel
[09:02] <mwhudson> parumi: it would be way way easier to respond to that question if you included links to the relevant pages in launchpad
[09:02] <beuno> don't worry, I'm not running away  :)
[09:02] <mpt> oh, ok
[09:02] <lifeless> hmm ubotu should be able repo lp questions
[09:03] <lifeless> *to report*
[09:20] <parumi> mwhudson: what do you mean? i added 4 direct links (home page, wiki, downloads, screenshots) in the clam project page...
[09:21] <mwhudson> parumi: not to the launchpad project page you didn't?
[09:23] <parumi> mwhudson: i'm a little confused, you mean the "question" page (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/37456) ?
[09:23] <mwhudson> parumi: you requested a vcs-import, right?
[09:24] <parumi> well yes. the story is: i requested a vcs-import of our svn trunk, and i got an import of a subdir of that trunk. and we got stuck here :-(
[09:25] <mwhudson> parumi: please give me a link to this import
[09:25] <parumi> sure: this is the our svn trunk: http://iua-share.upf.edu/svn/clam/trunk
[09:27] <parumi> mwhudson: and this is the launchpad page for the currently imported branch (which is trunk/CLAM and should be trunk/)
[09:27] <parumi> https://code.launchpad.net/clam/trunk
[09:27] <mwhudson> parumi: ah, finally
[09:28] <parumi> mwhudson: (you where asking for this url??
[09:28] <mwhudson> parumi: yes
[09:29] <mwhudson> parumi: anyway, the right thing is probably to suspend this import and request a new one
[09:29] <parumi> mwhudson: ok, so i'm going to suspend this branch right now
[09:30] <mwhudson> parumi: ok
[09:30] <mwhudson> er
[09:30] <mwhudson> can you do that? :)
[09:30] <nijaba> if someone has an idea on what "failed to upload" error means in a ppa... https://launchpad.net/~nijaba/+archive/+build/665216
[09:30] <parumi> so, no i can't find the way :-) how we proceed then?
[09:31] <mwhudson> parumi: i've suspended it
[09:31] <parumi> mwhudson: good
[09:31] <mwhudson> parumi: and i've renamed the branch
[09:31] <mwhudson> parumi: so please request a new import at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new
[09:32] <parumi> mwhudson: right away
[09:34] <parumi> mwhudson: one question regarding the import form (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new). i specify the "branch name" which is "tunk". then in the svn url i should skip the "trunk/" part?
[09:34] <mwhudson> parumi: no, put in exactly the url you want imported
[09:34] <mwhudson> (we'll try to make the help messages less confusing about this very soon)
[09:35]  * beuno waves at mwhudson
[09:35] <mwhudson> beuno: hi, there are conflicts merging bzr-search-integration into loggerhead trunk, want to fix?
[09:35] <parumi> mwhudson: ok, the import has been requested
[09:35] <beuno> mwhudson, yeap, sure. I'll merge and push in a bit
[09:36] <mwhudson> parumi: approved
[09:36] <parumi> mwhudson: i love things going fast ;-)
[09:37] <mwhudson> parumi: hopefully the import will go smoothly
[09:37] <parumi> mwhudson: you've been very helpful. thanks! (i'll close the open question thread now)
[09:38] <mwhudson> parumi: happy to help
[09:41] <lifeless> who looks after team pacges at the moment?
[09:41] <Laibsch> I suggested gnucash to use LP for translations.  It seems they might have some special requirements.  The answer I received was a positive attitude.
[09:41] <Laibsch> "So far no external translation tool was able to set up gnucash translations  correctly because of our importing of the translation message from C source  code, Scheme source code, and GConf schema files."
[09:41] <Laibsch> Can LP do that?
[09:42] <lifeless> Laibsch: sure AFAICT
[09:42] <mwhudson> lifeless: probably mars
[09:42] <Laibsch> lifeless: Awesome
[09:42] <lifeless> mars: hey, team pages 'most recently applied' links to the person, not to the +approve page
[09:57] <Laibsch> I am not always sure what project really owns the vcs-import stuff so I'll drop this information here.  https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/main can be dropped in favour of https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/trunk
[09:58] <Laibsch> Same goes for https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnucash/aqbanking3 which has been merged into trunk yesterday
[10:00] <jamesh> Laibsch: could you file a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar about this?
[10:00] <Laibsch> sure
[10:01] <Laibsch> now that I know the correct place ;-)
[10:03] <Laibsch> done
[10:03] <Laibsch> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+question/38637
[10:34] <klette> So, the company I work for approved our request for changing bugtracker from sf to lp (finally :-)) - So comes the migration part; Any admin with the earlier mentioned "import from sf"-script  that have the time to help us moved all bugs and feature requests over? The project name is NAV (Network administration visualized), both on sf and lp. The existing data in lp can be removed as it was only for testing. Whats important to get are unresolved
[10:43] <Peng> klette: That ended at "Whats important to get are unresolve".
[10:43] <Peng> (Actually, it probably ended one byte later, but my IRC client has an off-by-one issue. Anyway...)
[10:43] <LarstiQ> yes, there was a d ;)
[10:43] <Peng> :(
[10:45] <jamesh> klette: you probably want to get in contact with gmb
[10:46] <jamesh> klette<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:49] <gmb> klette: Hi. Like jamesh just said, if you send me your details by email I'll be more than happy to explain the process to you.
[11:24] <Laibsch> Does Launchpad PPA support building packages for debian or is it ubuntu-only atm?
[11:25] <beuno> Laibsch, ubuntu-only atm
[11:25] <Laibsch> OK
[11:25] <laga> any plans for debian support?
[11:25] <laga> that'd be awesome
[11:43] <klette> gmb: Will do :-)
[14:42] <aantn> hello
[14:42] <aantn> Is there a way to remove a team's mailing list completely?
[14:42] <aantn> I'd like to rename the team, but it wont let me do so because we have a mailing list that we haven't even started using yet
[14:44] <intellectronica> barry: do you know the answer?
[14:45] <barry> sec. on a call...
[14:47] <barry> aantn: no, you cannot remove the list.  there's an open bug on allowing team renames when the team has a list, but right now it takes a launchpad admin request to make it happen
[14:48] <aantn> barry: who should I put in the request with?
[14:50] <barry> aantn: probably here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[15:00] <Abelian> I have something wierd going on with lp now where revisions aren't getting pushed pushed straight away, it says "in", for example:
[15:00] <Abelian>  71. By  Adam Rooke <adam@jesse>   in 43 minutes
[15:01] <beuno> Abelian, what URL would that be?
[15:01] <Abelian> launchpad.net/pyroom
[15:02] <beuno> that *is* odd
[15:02]  * beuno pokes abentley
[15:02] <beuno> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~pyroom-dev/pyroom/trunk
[15:03]  * abentley pokes beuno
[15:03]  * beuno un-pokes abentley and pokes rockstar
[15:04] <rockstar> Ouch.
[15:04] <rockstar> beuno, hi
[15:04] <beuno> howdy rockstar
[15:05] <beuno> I think Abelian has hit something that's related to bug #238663
[15:07] <Abelian> what should I do then?
[15:07] <rockstar> Hm, I don't know much about that part of the code, but that is likely.
[15:08] <beuno> Abelian, it's just a UI bug, it doesn't affect the code at all
[15:08] <Abelian> kk
[15:09] <beuno> I'd just add a comment to the bug above, and maybe subscribe to help reproduce it  :)
[16:00] <andrea-bs> barry: bug 246936 is simply related to 194126 or is duplicate?
[16:01] <barry> andrea-bs: well, is a partial duplicate, with the other part already handled by an existing feature (imo).  so, i guess yeah, it should be a duplicate
[16:01] <andrea-bs> barry: should I update the summary of bug 194126?
[16:02] <barry> andrea-bs: to what?
[16:03] <andrea-bs> barry: to make the partial duplicate a full duplicate
[16:04] <barry> andrea-bs: better perhaps to mark bug 246936 as a duplicate of bug 194126.  the comment in the former makes it clear that the other half is already covered
[16:05] <andrea-bs> barry: ok, thank you!
[16:05] <barry> andrea-bs: thanks!
[16:44] <wormsxulla> hello. is there a reason for which launchpad updates its cookie "lp" *every time* you change page, while being logged in? it is extremely irritating when you have "ask for each cookie". couldn't there be one or two session cookies, and be done with it?
[16:44] <wormsxulla> i saw nothing about this in the "answers" about launchpad, so i'm asking  here
[16:49] <Rinchen> salgado-afk, do you know anything about wormsxulla's comment above?  I'm not sure how we handled cookies.
[17:07] <Festor>
[17:07] <Festor> When I attempt to upload a package to my PPP I receive this message. I do not know what to do
[17:07] <Festor> "Rejected:
[17:07] <Festor> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[17:07] <Festor> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[17:09] <Festor> I am trying upload packages to Intrepid
[17:09] <Festor> but with Hardy I have the same problem
[17:10] <Festor> sorry, I want mean PPA, no PPP
[17:13] <cprov> Festor: you have to use the corresponding orig.tar.gz already published in ubuntu.
[17:14] <Festor> in ubuntu or in my PPA?
[17:14] <Festor> cprov, in ubuntu or in my PPA?
[17:14] <cprov> Festor:  they should be the same, if it's not older than 6 months
[17:15] <Festor> but this package is new in my PPA
[17:15] <Festor> I have not any older versions
[17:16] <cprov> Festor: wait, let me explain it again
[17:16] <cprov> with examples :)
[17:17] <cprov> Festor: which package are you trying to upload and what the orig.tar.gz filename ?
[17:17] <Festor> cprov, eclipse
[17:17] <Festor> eclipse_3.2.2.orig
[17:18] <Festor> eclipse_3.2.2.orig.tar.gz
[17:18] <cprov> 3fdc031903f1a76196b1d84bf451ab17 53271145 devel optional eclipse_3.2.2.orig.tar.gz
[17:18] <cprov> Festor: right ? do the checksum matches what you are trying to upload ?
[17:18] <Festor> no
[17:19] <cprov> Festor: I just got this information from the rejection email that was sent to you some hours ago.
[17:20] <Festor> I think that I found the problem
[17:20] <Festor> thanks cprov
[17:20] <cprov> Festor: okay, the ubuntu checksum is 0c96c6499a8a9d7a69ed26f3f53d7895
[17:21] <cprov> Festor: let me know if you have any other problem with this upload.
[18:51] <asac> cprov: i regularly get timeouts when visiting ~ubuntu-langpack ppa page. known?
[18:51] <asac> cprov: (Error ID: OOPS-921EC136)
[18:51] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/+archive
[18:52] <gnomefreak> checking
[19:36] <gnomefreak> if a build in PPA fails due to deps once i upload the deps do i need to restart the build or will it restart on its own?
[19:38] <geser> gnomefreak: is it in DEPWAIT or FAILED_BUILT?
[19:38] <gnomefreak> failed
[19:38] <gnomefreak> checking dep
[19:38] <geser> then you need to retry it, only DEPWAIT gets automatically restarted
[19:38] <gnomefreak> its in FAILED_BUILT
[19:38] <gnomefreak> ok
[19:39] <gnomefreak> thanks
[19:39] <nxvl> hi!
[19:39] <nxvl> does ppa already supports debian archive?
[19:44] <cprov> nxvl: no, it builds only for ubuntu
[19:45] <nxvl> ok, thanks!
[19:55] <gnomefreak> ok where did the rebuild button go
[19:55] <gnomefreak> i thought it was in the menu on the PPA page
[19:56] <gnomefreak> i dont remember having to re upload package to rebuild it if it failed
[19:58] <geser> gnomefreak: go to the build record and you should see a retry button there
[19:59] <gnomefreak> geser: under failed to build?
[19:59] <geser> yes
[20:00] <gnomefreak> ah ok i see it i wasnt clicking on the failed build and i had to but will 386 re build option rebuild all
[20:00] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed
[20:00] <gnomefreak> that doesnt have it
[20:00] <gnomefreak> have to click on the failed build
[20:01] <gnomefreak> better yet https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+builds?build_text=libflashsupport&build_state=failed
[20:01] <geser> gnomefreak: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive/+build/665845 should have a retry button
[20:02] <gnomefreak> geser: its for 386 do i have to do that for each arch?
[20:02] <geser> gnomefreak: yes
[20:02] <gnomefreak> ah ok i was hoping for a rebuild all arch type selection
[20:04] <gnomefreak> geser: thanks
[20:08] <nedko> hi, can i import git branch?
[20:12] <mpt> gnomefreak, what you're talking about is a bit different from bug 204141, right?
[20:13] <gnomefreak> mpt: thats the one
[20:13] <gnomefreak> apty
[20:13] <gnomefreak> mpt: thanks
[20:13] <mpt> er, hang on
[20:14] <mpt> gnomefreak, that's about Retry shoulding a button on the build page, instead of a link on the build page
[20:14]  * mpt realizes that English is missing the word "shoulding"
[20:14] <gnomefreak> mpt: either way as long as you hit retry once to build all archs (to re build source)
[20:14] <mpt> gnomefreak, but what you want is a step further than that, you want the retry button on the *PPA* page.
[20:14] <mpt> Right?
[20:15] <gnomefreak> yeah that might be better that way its full source rebuild instead of doing each arch separate
[20:16] <gnomefreak> although each arch is good if only one fails
[20:16] <mpt> So that's kinda sorta bug 172573
[20:16] <gnomefreak> ah yes
[20:16] <gnomefreak> looking
[20:17] <gnomefreak> yep that is exacly it
[20:17] <gnomefreak> thanks mpt
[20:18] <mpt> well, kinda sorta because I think there Hobbsee is still asking for it to be on the build page
[20:18] <mpt> I'll add a comment about putting it on the archive page too
[20:19] <mpt> This is all a bit woolly for me because I don't have a PPA, so I haven't seen much of this interface in action
[20:19] <gnomefreak> the page itself doesnt matter its more of the hit rebuild and it rebuilds all archs
[20:21] <mpt> Well, the point of putting it on the archive page is that it would save a page load :-)
[20:21] <gnomefreak> yep
[21:16] <foxmike> Is there anyone here having problems uploading to their PPAs?
[21:20] <nedko> hi, can i import a git branch?
[21:21] <foxmike> Anyone?  I'm trying to dput a source package to my PPA and the upload hangs at the end... can somebody here help me?
[21:55] <Rinchen> nedko, not at the moment
[21:56] <Rinchen> mwhudson, do you have any ideas on git -> LP?
[23:01] <wormsxulla> hi again. i've asked earlier about a problem with the refresh of the "lp" cookie each time one changes page when being logged in launchpad, does anyone know something about that?
[23:15] <wormsxulla> Peng: ping
[23:21] <Peng> wormsxulla: pong
[23:21] <Rinchen> wormsxulla, I don't know the answer. The gent that does will be here tomorrow. I've asked some others to see if I can get some info on that.
[23:22] <wormsxulla> Peng: i just wanted to know when is this channel most active :)
[23:22] <wormsxulla> Rinchen: yes, thanks for that (but when is "tomorrow"? :) )
[23:22] <Peng> wormsxulla: I dunno.
[23:22] <mwhudson> probably around 1500 utc
[23:22] <wormsxulla> mwhudson: thanks! i'll set my alarm :)
[23:23] <mwhudson> heh
[23:23] <mwhudson> it's certainly not when _i_ am here
[23:23] <wormsxulla> hehe
[23:23] <Rinchen> wormsxulla, hehe..  there are a few folks away at europython and guadec this week so this channel is a bit slow
[23:23] <mwhudson> Peng: out of curiosity, where are you?  i'm sure you shouldn't be around for the same hours as much as me
[23:23] <wormsxulla> i'll lurk, but set a reminder for 1500 zulutime
[23:24] <wormsxulla> Rinchen: wow. europython!
[23:25] <Peng> mwhudson: GMT -0400, but I'm insane and have no sleep schedule. A lot of people think I'm in Europe. :\
[23:25] <wormsxulla> Peng: i thought you were in europe!
[23:25] <wormsxulla> (joking)
[23:25] <mwhudson> Peng: if it makes you feel any better, i think Odd_Bloke is even worse than you
[23:26] <mwhudson> he got up around 11 am my time yesterday
[23:26] <mwhudson> and he's in the uk :)
[23:26] <wormsxulla> oh, but people in britain are odd, that is true
[23:28] <Peng> 16:00-17:00 UTC is most active.
[23:28] <Peng> 12:00-13:00 comes in a close second.
[23:30] <wormsxulla> i really need Mitch to do that plugin. thanks, Peng :)
[23:31] <Peng> 02:00-03:00 is least active. :)


[01:28] <gnx_> anyone awake able to possibly help me figure out this screensaver problem?
[01:31] <cody-somerville> sure
[01:31] <gnx_> i just installed xubuntu, first time using this distro, im on an old 600mhz celeron with 256mb ram
[01:32] <gnx_> pretty satisfied thus far, but i wanted to disable the screensaver, and in the process i clicked on one to preview it but it locks up or makes my display unusable
[01:33] <gnx_> and everytime i try to go back to disable it, it has that screensaver, selected...and so i cant even go to the screensaver settings dialog without a problem now
[01:33] <gnx_> is there a file somewhere i can edit?
[02:50] <zChris> Is there any equilivant to rainlendar for linux ?
[03:17] <AwayML> I'm getting this error during my installs - i've tried different CDs, even different flavors of ubuntu, but it keeps happening. any ideas? - http://pastie.org/423216
[03:27] <AwayML> this is telling too - http://pastie.org/423219
[03:27] <AwayML> apt-get and aptitude both fail on openoffice.org-help-en-us
[05:30] <samsabra> hello
[05:30] <samsabra> can I run Xubuntu on an old Fujistu laptop P2 366Mhz with 94MB of RAM?
[05:32] <forces> samsabra, yes
[05:32] <forces> but not live cd
[05:32] <forces> you must install with alternative cd
[05:33] <samsabra> the website says: Once installed, Xubuntu can run with starting from 192 (or even just 128) MB RAM, but it is strongly recommended to have at least 256 MB RAM.
[05:33] <samsabra> can I actually use it with 64MB of ram after install?
[05:33] <samsabra> lol
[05:35] <forces> samsabra, yes
[05:36] <forces> samsabra, use xubuntu 8.04 LTS
[05:36] <samsabra> cool, thanks
[05:36] <forces> its more stable
[05:38] <samsabra> thanks and have a great day
[07:00] <XNMNK> hello
[07:01] <XNMNK> I'm trying to install xubuntu 8.10 from a usb-stick
[07:01] <XNMNK> and have a problem
[07:02] <XNMNK> my notebook has no cd-rom, but installer wants to find it
[07:03] <XNMNK> i've tried to mount a fake cd-rom from a console but installer says it can't read files from it
[07:06] <zoredache> what method did you use to prepare your usb stick?
[07:12] <XNMNK> unetbootin 3.19
[07:16] <zoredache> hrm...  I have never used that.  I usually just write the hd net-boot image to a usb disk.
[07:17] <zoredache> The drawback is, that you must have a wired network card that is supported by the kernel, and you have to wipe the contents of the usb key.
[07:40] <XNMNK> tried another way of creating usb-stick: made it bootable with syslinux and put vmlinuz, initrd.gz, syslinux.cfg and *.iso
[07:41] <XNMNK> same problem - "failed to copy a file"
[07:41] <knome> XNMNK, have you tried the usb-creator?
[07:44] <XNMNK> nope. I'm under windows now. I've tried to put live-cd on the stick. it boots and works well but can't install itself on hard drive
[07:47] <knome> XNMNK, please use the usb creator, if you explicitly need to install from usb
[07:48] <vargo> hi
[07:48] <vargo> how can i install xfce 4.6 on xubuntu?
[07:49] <XNMNK> knome: will try
[07:50] <knome> vargo, xfce 4.6 will be by default on jaunty. there is some ppa's for intrepid but i'm not sure if any of them has 4.6 final
[07:51] <vargo> i added launchpad repisotory
[07:51] <vargo> i got 4.591 beta
[07:51] <vargo> got little bit frustrated :(
[07:51] <knome> jaunty will be out in a month
[07:52] <vargo> do u think amarok 2.0 is bundled too?
[07:52] <knome> it is in the junaty repos, yes.
[07:52] <knome> *jaunty
[07:53] <vargo> alright, thanks
[09:58] <MoonTiger> hi :)
[10:47] <Shooree> is the Settings Manager>Autostarted apps the only way to execute autostart stuff? I can't seem to make this work for manual entries, not even to startup conky with an initial sleep period. Where can I go wrong with it?
[11:05] <MoonTiger> you can add a link in the startup folders to a script / app
[11:50] <vojacekj_> hi, i have problems with genius g-pen 450 under xubuntu 8.10 can someone help me?
[12:24] <Slonkie> How do i connect to one of my windows shares?
[12:24] <Slonkie> Should i use samba?
[12:24] <vinnl> !pyneighborhood
[12:25] <vinnl> Hmm... I don't really either, except that that supposedly allows you to do that ;-)
[12:25] <vinnl> And I also just installed thunar-shares-plugin, but it looks like that only allows you to share your own folders
[12:27] <Slonkie> so it finds my PC, but fails to mount my folder
[12:27] <Slonkie> pyneighborhood that is :P
[12:29] <vinnl> Slonkie, hmm, you might need to read this post first: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html
[12:32] <Slonkie> That dident help :(
[12:33] <vinnl> Then I don't know what to do either... If I ever get myself a laptop I might set this up for myself, but until then, I've got zero experience with home networking...
[12:33] <Slonkie> all right
[12:33] <Slonkie> Thanks anyway :p
[12:34] <vinnl> No problem :P
[12:51] <Dillizar> if i install compiz and other effects how heavier will the xubuntu be
[12:52] <vinnl> In what units? ;-)
[12:53] <Dillizar> vinnl, that question was for me ??
[12:53] <vinnl> Dillizar, yes
[12:53] <Dillizar> dunno
[12:53] <Dillizar> will it ask more ram ?
[12:53] <Dillizar> or more cpu
[12:54] <vinnl> Yes, both
[12:54] <Dillizar> DAMN
[12:54] <Dillizar> a lot more?? :)
[12:54] <vinnl> Well, you can expect that, it's just another piece of software you're running, and obviously heavier than the low-on-effects-window managers
[12:54] <vinnl> Not *that* much
[12:54] <vinnl> I don't know how much you can miss :P
[12:56] <Dillizar> hmmm
[12:56] <Dillizar> damn
[12:56] <Dillizar> vinnl, tell me is xfce based on gnome ?
[12:57] <vinnl> Dillizar, no... But it has some parts in common and Xubuntu also ships GNOME parts to complement Xfce
[12:57] <Dillizar> so its not striped GNOME
[12:58] <vinnl> No, definitely not
[12:58] <Dillizar> k
[12:59] <Dillizar> cuz i was choosing between xfce and lxde and xfce looks like gnome and lxde looks like KDE
[13:00] <vinnl> Well... You shouldn't really judge them like that. I'd recommend you to just try both, as they're both free of charge ;-)
[13:00] <Dillizar> lol not to me
[13:00] <Dillizar> :)
[13:00] <vinnl> Why's that?
[13:00] <Dillizar> i have limit of 25gb per month
[13:01] <Dillizar> to download :)
[13:01] <vinnl> Ah
[13:01] <vinnl> Hmm yeah, that's a bummer
[13:01] <Dillizar> :P
[13:01] <Dillizar> i have another alternative
[13:01] <Dillizar> but i need to wait 3months
[13:01] <Dillizar> any who i have 9.04
[13:02] <Dillizar> ubuntu and the install xfce
[13:02] <Dillizar> :P
[13:10] <Besogon> Does anybody know about writing a formula in ABIWORD? (If you undestand me)
[13:10] <vinnl> I believe you could use LaTeX for that
[13:11] <vinnl> Ah, and also MathML
[13:11] <vinnl> See Insert->Equation
[13:12] <Besogon> Shoud I install it before?
[13:13] <vinnl> I believe if you have Abiword you don't need to install anything to be able to use LaTeX
[13:18] <Besogon> vinnl, where can I past a image?
[13:18] <vinnl> !imagebin
[13:19] <vinnl> :)
[13:22] <Besogon> vinnl, http://imagebin.org/42279 look at that. So I havnt help for LateX. (and I cant work with it)
[13:24] <vinnl> Yeah you need to know how to use LaTeX, it doesn't have a graphical way of clicking them together... I managed to do it a while ago by Googling the specific signs I needed to know. There might be another utilllity that allows you to click together LaTeX formulas though
[13:24] <vinnl> !latex
[13:29] <Besogon> O my got. Why is it so difficalt in linux way... but , thanks whether or no
[13:30] <vinnl> Well, that's Abiword
[13:31] <vinnl> You can't really blame Linux in general for that... Perhaps OpenOffice.org has a better interface
[13:34] <Besogon> vinnl, I know that. But I have just interest about  abiword. (Really I need use only MS word in my university)
[13:34] <vinnl> Besogon, if you have a license for MS Word, you can use that on Xubuntu. Not that easy, but not really difficult either
[13:35] <vinnl> If it's *really* necessary, that's always an option ;-)
[13:37] <Besogon> I havnt a license MS Word, but I'm still using it. :)) (MS office XP).
[13:39] <vinnl> Obviously, I'm going to say here you shouldn't :)
[13:40] <Besogon> and MS equation 3.0 is terrible. That is not my fault.
[13:45] <Besogon> vinnl, And I tell you, that almost all Russia not use a license software. :)
[13:45] <vinnl> That doesn't justify it ;-)
[13:46] <vinnl> Besogon, anyway, I just found the KFormula application which appears to allow you to click together a formula and export it to LaTeX, which you could then use in Abiword :)
[13:46] <Besogon> great
[13:48] <Besogon> thanks again. I will remember that. I going to vacuum my room.
[13:48] <vinnl> Have fun :P
[13:49] <vojacekj> hi everyone
[13:50] <vinnl> Hey vojacekj
[13:50] <vojacekj> i have 1 problem
[13:51] <vojacekj> i have problem with genius g-pen 450...xibuntu 8.10 can not deteced it
[13:51] <vojacekj> can someone help me?
[13:52] <vinnl> What kind of a device is it?
[13:52] <vojacekj> it tablet
[13:52] <vinnl> !tablet
[13:53] <vojacekj> ok thanks
[13:53] <vojacekj> and don't you know someone who know something about it?
[13:54] <vinnl> ubottu is just a bot, I was querying its fact database to see if there was anything on tables on it ;-)
[13:54] <vinnl> See? ;-)
[13:54] <vinnl> Anyway, I don't know anything about tablets, but this page might be of help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetup
[13:55] <vojacekj> thanks i will see it
[14:16] <noob_M> helo
[14:16] <vinnl> Hey
[14:16] <noob_M> i want to learn xubuntu
[14:16] <noob_M> where do i start?
[14:17] <noob_M> i have no knowledge on linux
[14:17] <noob_M> :(
[14:17] <vinnl> noob_M, there's excellent documentation included in Xubuntu
[14:17] <vinnl> Have you already installed it?
[14:17] <noob_M> im downloading
[14:17] <noob_M> 3$
[14:17] <noob_M> 3%
[14:17] <noob_M> hehehe
[14:17] <noob_M> what is the basic command for linux?
[14:17] <vinnl> What do you mean with "basic command"?
[14:18] <noob_M> you type on the terminal
[14:18] <vinnl> Why would you do that?
[14:18] <noob_M> no need?
[14:18] <vinnl> Nope
[14:18] <noob_M> i thought terminal is for installation?
[14:18] <noob_M> instal plugin? configure?
[14:19] <gorgut> xubuntu install is graphical
[14:19] <noob_M> ic
[14:19] <noob_M> like windows?
[14:19] <vinnl> No, when you use the Desktop CD, you run a kind of test version of Xubuntu from that CD, and you can then double-click the "Install" icon on the desktop to start the installation
[14:19] <vinnl> So that's a bit different from (easier than :) Windows
[14:19] <noob_M> ic
[14:20] <noob_M> i can install xubuntun on windows?
[14:20] <noob_M> or clean installation?
[14:20] <vinnl> I'd go for a clean installation
[14:20] <noob_M> boot from cd?
[14:20] <noob_M> sample i got windows on the hard drive
[14:20] <vinnl> Yes, you insert the CD-ROM in your CD-ROM-drive, then restart your computer
[14:20] <noob_M> i want to put xubuntu
[14:20] <vinnl> Do you want to keep Windows?
[14:20] <noob_M> nope
[14:20] <noob_M> delete windows
[14:20] <vinnl> Great, that's easiest :)
[14:21] <noob_M> install fresh copy of xubuntu?
[14:21] <vinnl> Yes
[14:21] <vinnl> What file exactly are you downloading?
[14:21] <noob_M> xubuntux-8.10desktop-386.iso
[14:21] <noob_M> my processor is single core
[14:21] <noob_M> sempron 1.6
[14:22] <noob_M> i dont need 64bit xubuntu?
[14:22] <vinnl> OK, do you know how to burn that to a CD?
[14:22] <noob_M> yes
[14:22] <vinnl> I don't think so
[14:22] <noob_M> ok
[14:22] <vinnl> Great, if you do that, you'll just need to insert that in the drive and reboot the computer, then it'll mostly speak for itself
[14:22] <noob_M> ic
[14:23] <noob_M> what is the diference between ubuntu and xbuntu?
[14:23] <sancas> noob_M, the diference is that xfce use ar xfce and ubuntu use gnome
[14:24] <sancas> xfce is more for pc low
[14:24] <vinnl> Well, they mostly come with a whole different standard selection of software and themes, but you'll be able to install everything you install in one in the other as well
[14:24] <sancas> gnome thats ritgh for new pcs
[14:24] <sancas> *slow
[14:24] <noob_M> a ok
[14:24] <noob_M> the interface is still the same?
[14:25] <vinnl> No
[14:25] <noob_M> feature no same too?
[14:25] <noob_M> i heard counterstrike can play on linux
[14:25] <vinnl> Nope, but if you miss a feature in Xubuntu that is in Ubuntu you *can* install that afterwards :)
[14:25] <noob_M> cs can play on xubuntu?
[14:25] <noob_M> oic
[14:25] <vinnl> Probably, let me check (not that easy though)
[14:25] <noob_M> it comes on the basic?
[14:26] <noob_M> i can add features from ubuntu?
[14:26] <vinnl> Ah, yes, you can play CS
[14:26] <vinnl> And yes, sort of ;-)
[14:26] <noob_M> i want to learn how to manage files on linux
[14:26] <noob_M> i notice no file extension on linux?
[14:27] <noob_M> sample exe, com, jpg?
[14:27] <noob_M> dll
[14:27] <noob_M> dll files
[14:27] <vinnl> Often files do have a file extension but in theory it's not necessary
[14:27] <noob_M> how can i distinguish each files?
[14:27] <noob_M> i only heard linux
[14:27] <noob_M> but never tried to use it
[14:27] <noob_M> hehe
[14:27] <vinnl> dll files are only sometimes needed if you're trying to run Windows stuff, but that's quite advanced
[14:28] <vinnl> Heh, you distinguish between them just as in Windows: looking at the icons ;-)
[14:28] <noob_M> what is the icon of system files in linux?
[14:28] <vinnl> What do you mean by system files?
[14:28] <noob_M> like windows
[14:29] <noob_M> in windows is in on the folder c:windows
[14:29] <vinnl> What do you do with system files in Windows?
[14:29] <noob_M> how about in linux?
[14:29] <vinnl> Ah, well...
[14:29] <Pho75> Hi all. I'm playing with xfce 4.4. Does anyone know why thunar doesn't obey the gtk theme as far as the scrollbar goes. I personally can't stand any gtk theme that prevents me from using the right edge of my screen to control the scrollbar, but no matter what theme i choose, thunar keeps that stupid thick-ass border. is there some hidden config option somewhere I can use to make the...
[14:29] <Pho75> ...thickness 0 or are u stuck with it? i'd love to replace nautilus but that border is always a deal-breaker for me with any app/theme.
[14:29] <vinnl> In Linux, there's no different "C:" and "D:" and whatnot drives
[14:30] <noob_M> ha?
[14:30] <vinnl> It's just all under "/", so you got for example "/tmp" for temporary files, "/home/vincent" for my user account
[14:30] <vinnl> You'll mostly be concerned with the files in your user account
[14:30] <noob_M> ic
[14:30] <noob_M> u type in on the terminal window?
[14:31] <vinnl> No
[14:31] <noob_M> where/
[14:31] <vinnl> You really don't need the terminal as much as you think
[14:31] <noob_M> oic
[14:31] <vinnl> They're on your desktop, for example :)
[14:31] <noob_M> i want to play on the terminal window
[14:31] <noob_M> browse files on linux
[14:32] <noob_M> hehe
[14:32] <vinnl> noob_M, look, this is how you browse files in Xubuntu: http://thunar.xfce.org/images/filewindow-1.png
[14:33] <noob_M> what is m4 file extension?
[14:33] <vinnl> No idea
[14:33] <noob_M> ok
[14:34] <vinnl> You won't run into those anyway ;-)
[14:34] <noob_M> can i ask about ubuntu here?
[14:34] <vinnl> Preferably in #ubuntu, I don't know if we can answer it here :)
[14:34] <noob_M> i alreay had ubuntu last year i uninstall it
[14:34] <noob_M> ic
[14:34] <noob_M> same server?
[14:34] <vinnl> Yep
[14:34] <noob_M> ok thanks
[14:35] <noob_M> vinnl for u which is eaiser xubuntu or ubuntu?
[14:36] <vinnl> Ehm, well... I think Ubuntu is a little bit easier for new users
[14:36] <vinnl> But of course I'm a Xubuntu fan ;-)
[14:36] <noob_M> ic
[14:36] <noob_M> my frend recomend xubuntu too
[14:36] <noob_M> before i try ubuntu i unstall it
[14:36] <noob_M> i dont know how to configure
[14:37] <noob_M> hehehe
[14:37] <noob_M> but now i want to learn
[14:37] <noob_M> hmmmm
[14:37] <noob_M> x or u?
[14:37] <noob_M> hehehe
[14:37] <noob_M> u choose for me
[14:37] <vinnl> You can easily do both :)
[14:37] <vinnl> I'd say: if you friend recommended Xubuntu, go with that, he'll know best what suits you
[14:37] <noob_M> but u said x is for slow pc?
[14:37] <Slonkie> Anyone capable of helping me with windows shares, and how to connect the them from xubuntu?
[14:38] <vinnl> Well, that wasn't me, but... Xubuntu will run a bit better. Do you have a slow PC?
[14:38] <noob_M> athlon 1800xp
[14:38] <noob_M> 256 ram
[14:39] <noob_M> 10 gig hd
[14:39] <noob_M> is my old pc
[14:39] <noob_M> hehehe
[14:39] <noob_M> ata-66 hardisk slow
[14:39] <vinnl> Ah well then you don't want to do Ubuntu :P
[14:39] <noob_M> y?
[14:39] <noob_M> can't run 256 ram?
[14:39] <vinnl> Yeah but not pleasantly
[14:40] <vinnl> Oh wait, I don't even think it can, no
[14:40] <noob_M> only to learn the basic
[14:40] <noob_M> only to learn the basics
[14:40] <noob_M> how about 512
[14:40] <vinnl> You could, but I'd really go with Xubuntu, it's a bit faster
[14:40] <noob_M> i tried 512mb it run the ubuntu
[14:40] <vinnl> Still, though you could give Ubuntu a try then
[14:40] <noob_M> u always online?
[14:41] <vinnl> Not always, no :P
[14:41] <noob_M> oh no
[14:41] <vinnl> But there often are very helpful people over here, especially on weekdays :)
[14:41] <noob_M> ah ok
[14:41] <noob_M> im in the philipines
[14:41] <noob_M> diferent time slot
[14:41] <noob_M> in the morning here people asleep in the US
[14:41] <noob_M> lol
[14:46] <noob_M> gtg thanks for your help vinnl
[15:24] <vojacekj> hi everyone
[15:24] <gorgut> lo
[15:24] <vojacekj> vinnl are you here
[15:24] <vinnl> Hey vojacekj  :)
[15:25] <vojacekj> thanks it works
[15:25] <vojacekj> it's super
[15:25] <vinnl> Great :)
[15:25] <vojacekj> i have 1 more question, problem :D
[15:26] <vojacekj> i have problem with scanner
[15:26] <vojacekj> do you know something about it?
[15:26] <vinnl> A little, little bit
[15:26] <vojacekj> i have scanner Umax Astra 2000p
[15:27] <vojacekj> and don't u know some goog page?
[15:27] <vojacekj> *good
[15:28] <vinnl> vojacekj, perhaps this one's good: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo :)
[15:28] <vojacekj> thank u
[15:28] <vojacekj> u are great
[15:38] <vojacekj> bey meanwhile
[15:38] <vinnl> Bye
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[15:39] <vinnl> Hey charlie-tca
[15:39] <gorgut> lo
[16:05] <forces> :)
[16:06] <AndyML> so, apt-get -f install gives me "apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:06] <AndyML> "
[17:05] <lolTodd> I've been having a problem getting my restricted video drivers to cooperate.  I can enable and disable then fine from the panel, but they take no effect.  It was working fine prior to a power outage, but now it's about a 10% success rate when I boot up.  Suggestions?
[17:09] <xapiens> format and reinstall
[17:09] <lolTodd> Bite me.
[17:10] <TheSheep> lolTodd: dmesg says something? how about /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[17:15] <lolTodd> Checking
[17:15] <shippo> I was following this site http://layer8problem.blogspot.com/2008/10/howto-remote-desktop-to-xubuntu-710.html but when I got to vino-session it states command not found?
[17:18] <lolTodd> TheSheep: In Xorg.0.log it says "Backing store disabled.  Does that help?
[17:20] <TheSheep> no
[17:23] <lolTodd> Validated modes: "nvidia-auto-slect"  Virtual screen size determined to be 640x480.  Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI from CRT-0's EDID.  DPI set to (7, 75); computed from build-in default.
[17:33] <lolTodd> How about that, TheSheep?
[17:34] <TheSheep> lolTodd: looks like the driver works...
[17:35] <TheSheep> lolTodd: maybe try logs from when it's not working
[17:36] <lolTodd> TheSheep: Working or not, I'm stuck at 640x480.
[17:37] <TheSheep> lolTodd: that's because the driver couldn't read you monitor's resolution
[17:37] <TheSheep> lolTodd: try specyfying vertical and horizontal refresh rates in xorg.conf
[18:02] <chewit> does anyone know if the new notification system which is in Ubuntu 9.04 will be in Xubuntu 9.04?
[18:03] <dbdii407> I need help: When i click on a window, it wont come into focus
[18:08] <charlie-tca> chewit: I don't know now. It was called notify-osd.
[18:42] <GreedyB2> If I add a XFCE 4.6 PPA and update things is it pretty much impossible to go back if I don't like it or something doesnt work correctly?
[18:43] <jarnos> GreedyB2: It is not impossible. I have done it.
[18:46] <jarnos> GreedyB2: You can use synaptic to get list of the files installed from the PPA. Remove them in console, remove the PPA in /etc/sources.list and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:47] <GreedyB2> I see
[18:47] <GreedyB2> Did everything work for you?
[18:47] <jarnos> GreedyB2: You mean in Xfce 4.6?
[18:47] <GreedyB2> jarnos, yeah
[18:48] <jarnos> GreedyB2: No. I had to refresh some configuration to keep the panel from freezing the computer, for instance. However, I am using it again.
[19:11] <shippo> what is the correct way to use the -unixpw option for x11vnc? or is there a website I can be pointed to?
[19:17] <Shooree> where's the setting for the number of virtual desktops? I can't seem to find it following ubuntu how-to's
[19:20] <TheSheep> Shooree: it's in settings->setting manager->workspaces and margins
[19:20] <Shooree> that's what I thought, TheSheep, but whenever I set i to 4, my Compiz cube doesn't give me more than 2
[19:21] <TheSheep> Shooree: that's because compiz is not xubuntu
[19:21] <TheSheep> Shooree: it does its own workspaces
[19:21] <Shooree> right
[19:21] <TheSheep> and has its own settings for it
[19:21] <TheSheep> !compiz | Shooree
[19:21] <Shooree> could you tell me how to enable the cube, please? All I've got now is a two-faced square
[19:22] <Shooree> oh
[19:22] <Shooree> ok
[19:22] <TheSheep> I have no idea
[19:22] <TheSheep> sorry
[19:22] <Shooree> np
[19:22] <Shooree> I'll do my homework
[19:35] <Shooree> for the record, I was just blind. it was there the whole time, the desktop size tab. I just didn't see it.
[19:42] <artistxe> any blender users here that have discovered keyboard shortcut problems ?
[19:43] <artistxe> simple fix in the xfwm4 default file. the easy click option should be set to false. this seems to go for quite a few keyboard shortcuts
[19:43] <artistxe> in other programs as well
[19:55] <TheSheep> artistxe: what does it do?
[19:59] <artistxe> what does it (what ? ) do ?
[20:00] <artistxe> changing the default ?
[20:00] <TheSheep> artistxe: I'm just wondering hwat is the problem and how that option solves it
[20:00] <TheSheep> what*
[20:01] <artistxe> oh. in blender it the default prevents you from using certain key combos in edit mode. such as Alt-rmb in editmode to select an edgeloop
[20:01] <TheSheep> rmb?
[20:02] <artistxe> originally I had thought that it was a keboard config problem in the settings.
[20:02] <artistxe> rmb = right mouse button
[20:02] <artistxe> you do not use Blender I am guessing....
[20:05] <Slonkie> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) - Anyone know how to fix this?
[20:07] <TheSheep> Slonkie: start mysql daemon
[20:07] <Slonkie> how do i do that?
[20:08] <TheSheep> artistxe: not often, but I had similar problem in Second Life, I just switched that to Super
[20:08] <TheSheep> Slonkie: wait, what are you actually trying to do?
[20:08] <Slonkie> start mysql
[20:09] <TheSheep> what for?
[20:09] <Slonkie> I need it for amarok
[20:09] <TheSheep> amarok uses mysql?
[20:09] <Slonkie> yep
[20:10] <Slonkie> well, for the collection somehow
[20:10] <TheSheep> good thing I keep away from it :)
[20:10] <TheSheep> Slonkie: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start  should start it
[20:10] <Slonkie> what would you say is better for audio playing?
[20:11] <TheSheep> I have no opinion, but there are lots of options, depending on what you need
[20:12] <Slonkie> lol
[20:15] <artistxe> Slonkie . I prefer Exaile myself.
[20:16] <Slonkie> Exaile looks god, how does it handle very big collections?
[20:18] <SiDi> Slonkie: correctly :p
[20:18] <SiDi> i use exaile, it can lag 1/2 secs if you add 1500 songs to a playlist, but once they're added it doesnt lag
[20:23] <artistxe> it also records streams , which I like :)
[20:24] <rocko> streams
[20:24] <rocko> for G
[20:24] <rocko> respect
[20:24] <artistxe> I use streamtuner to get my stations and have the preferences set up to open the streams in Exaile . from there you can record and save in the dir specified in the Exaile preferences
[20:27] <artistxe> or   .you could always rip streams from terminal using streamripper
[20:37] <jarnos> Slonkie: What I like in Amarok is global shortcuts. I also had problem with database backend, but it was a while ago.
[20:40] <jarnos> TheSheep: You can choose from several database backends when using Amarok.
[20:42] <SiDi> amarok looks badly in gtk based environments :(
[20:43] <TheSheep> jarnos: any sane reason to not use sqlite?
[20:43] <TheSheep> SiDi: not with the gtkqt qt theme
[20:44] <jarnos> SiDi: It is only cosmetic. Shortcuts work better in Xfce than in Gnome/Metacity.
[20:44] <SiDi> TheSheep: What the hell is that ? oO
[20:44]  * SiDi googling ! :o
[20:44] <jarnos> TheSheep: no idea.
[20:47] <jarnos> TheSheep: I guess anything you can use works.
[20:48] <TheSheep> SiDi: http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle
[20:49] <TheSheep> SiDi: it would be great to have it by default in xubuntu
[20:53] <jarnos> TheSheep: Where do you get gtk2-x11-dev packages from?
[20:55] <TheSheep> jarnos: I'd guess libgtk2.0-dev
[21:11] <jarnos> TheSheep: the last command gave: "make: *** No rule to make target `checkinstall'.  Stop."
[21:12] <TheSheep> jarnos: qmake
[21:12] <TheSheep> jarnos: and then make
[21:14] <jarnos> TheSheep: yes. but the output was from "sudo make checkinstall"
[21:16] <TheSheep> jarnos: I don't follow, what did you do?
[21:17] <jarnos> TheSheep: I did what was told at http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle
[21:17] <what_if> I have a laptop with 64mb ram in it, can I run xubuntu with a gui ?>
[21:18] <jarnos> TheSheep: The last command gave what I told above.
[21:18] <TheSheep> what_if: it's theoretically possible, but it will be so slow, that it turns out unusable
[21:19] <TheSheep> jarnos: but where did you get that command?
[21:19] <what_if> any distro you can recommend for a 64mb machine ?
[21:19] <jarnos> TheSheep: you mean "sudo make checkinstall"?
[21:19] <TheSheep> what_if: I don't know, maybe archlinux, if configured with care, or puppylinux, or dsl
[21:20] <TheSheep> jarnos: yes
[21:20] <TheSheep> jarnos: just do 'sudo checkinstall'
[21:20] <TheSheep> jarnos: after 'qmake'
[21:20] <jarnos> what_if: DeLi Linux maybe.
[21:21] <TheSheep> what_if: you should be able to get some ram for it cheaply though
[21:25] <jarnos> TheSheep: That worked. Now there is GTK GUI style in Qt configuration
[21:26] <what_if> TheSheep: max ram 192. :P
[21:26] <what_if> 300mhz, 6gb hd, 192 ram max (64 currently) not really worth the extra $$
[21:28] <knome> what_if, 192 is way better than 64. xubuntu is ok with it.
[21:29] <what_if> well, to be honest we need X and adobe acrobat. It will be way too slow...
[21:29] <knome> at least with 192 you *can* do it.
[21:29] <knome> with 64, i'm not really sure if you get a pdf reader running
[21:30] <what_if> knome: no, no pdf reading at 64 (tried)
[21:30] <what_if> I'll just add it to the toy pile, been wanting a "disposable" laptop anyways
[21:30] <knome> exactly.
[21:40] <jarnos> TheSheep: thanks. In which applications you see the difference? I can't see difference in Amrok.
[21:40] <jarnos> TheSheep: ^Amarok
[21:43] <jarnos> TheSheep: or in Kaffeine or QAmix for that matter.
[21:49] <jarnos> TheSheep: At least I can see the difference in qtconfic :)
[21:57] <jarnos> TheSheep: ^qtconfig
[22:00] <TheSheep> jussi01: try  skype --disable-cleanlooks
[22:01] <knome> TheSheep, he went.
[22:01] <TheSheep> meh
[22:18] <jussi01> spurious pings.... meh... :P
[22:30] <basajaun> hi all
[22:30] <knome> !hi | basajaun
[22:31] <basajaun> just installed xubuntu on my son's old toshiba tecra but I only get a midget screen
[22:39] <durt> basajaun,  If it's similar to my old satellite, there's a bios setting to change that.
[22:40] <basajaun> how do you do that durt?
[22:42] <durt> possibly esc or del at start up then maybe F1 to continue. If it's as old as mine. We're talking from the late 90's here.
[22:43] <Slor> toshiba - coulde be f2, f12, or something as well.
[22:44] <Slor> I forget exactly - on my toshibas, one F-key brings a startup menu and another gets me into bios.  and it always takes me a while to find the right one. :)
[22:47] <basajaun> not working  :)
[22:48] <Slor> try f1 as well.  and hit them often during the boot process.
[22:49] <Slor> all else fails, you should be able to find a manual on toshiba's website
[22:52] <basajaun> I am in
[22:52] <basajaun> what should I change?
[22:57] <basajaun> I have changed the only option for display and restarted but mo joy
[22:57] <basajaun> no joy
[23:03] <basajaun> yaye got it thank you durt and slor
[23:03] <basajaun> bye all


[15:55] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Drop emacs-goodies-el temporarily. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=cec1d8376b4db355bc4f535224e8e730708143d1 (by Dimitri John Ledkov)
[21:22] <Unit193> Anyone on xfconf 4.13 and trying or want to try the gsettings backend?
[23:23] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Replace deprecated background-alpha with {enter,leave}-opacity for a semi-transparent panel with xfc... @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=7f1ecefa802f073880024a57e9f440037123b368 (by Sean Davis)
[23:32] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Add separator and hide window list handle for cleaner panel appearance @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=430013175f05560d3c7fa824976e1dd9a8e815b7 (by Sean Davis)
[23:32] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Update changelog @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=6953a229d535326e5a493470a09be100c2d81236 (by Sean Davis)
[23:34] <Unit193> 'Set the square-icons option to true'  I'm going to presume we'll want to pick up new whisker then.
[23:39] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Add DesktopNames=XFCE to xubuntu.desktop to correctly set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP (LP: #1590089) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=c51e25bd4934897007ae821234b3b470c7cd3a71 (by Sean Davis)
[23:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure, that'd be nifty
[23:44] <bluesabre> Sorry for my recent absence, my laptop has been a file recovery bot this week
[23:46] <Unit193> I figured work was busy.
[23:55] <bluesabre> Current plan is to do a lot of xubuntu/xfce stuff this weekend
[23:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Fix various issues preventing the last commits from working @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=b97c490320b1f8e407688b7eef363c0823e30c55 (by Sean Davis)


[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68959 in rosetta "Rosetta should handle Qt/KDE '.ts' Translation Source files in addition to '.po'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68959
[02:43] <Evaso2> hi guys is anybody interested to get upstream version and NEWS/Changelog in launchpad i have already update data in varius format on dehs.alioth.debian.org?
[02:44] <flacoste> OOPS-301S1
[02:44] <Ubugtu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/301S1
[02:44] <flacoste> oops S301S1
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68966 in launchpad "integrate upstream changelog/news and version number from dehs db" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68966
[06:21] <Chandy> Hi
[06:21] <Chandy> I want to know How Ubuntu setup the build infrastructure for the future release
[06:21] <Chandy> How to setup the buildd environment
[01:55] <Terminus> hello. question on launchpad, can the display name be changed later or is it permanent?
[02:04] <Terminus> nm. =)
[03:44] <cassidy> hi ! I just host a bzr branch on lp but it seems there is a problem. I can't branch it. https://launchpad.net/people/cassidy/+branch/xchat-gnome/channels-dialog
[10:10] <lifeless> mrning
[10:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69157 in malone "[wishlist]  add "gnats" bug tracker to Malone" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69157


[06:45] <Guest38> Hi folks, if we launch an ubuntu server lts 20.4 container, install the necessary softwares, will we be able to later on upload to somewhere like docker hub/github and the download and run this. "golden" container that has all the necessary softwares already installed on another machine?
[08:05] <frickler> Guest38: well the usual way to do this would be to create a Dockerfile that describes all the customization steps, but it should also be able to do that manually. in the end one could consider that to be one of the key features of docker even
[08:10] <Guest38> frickler but hmmm.. i wan to download the container and run on another machine which is a synology nas using synology's docker feature.
[15:19] <infectedserver> Hi, my copy of Ubuntu server has been infected by Monero mining malware. I am of re-installing, but I am trying to do some investigations to understand the level of compromise.
[15:20] <infectedserver> One thing I noticed is that the SSH host key has changed. Why would malware authors do this?
[15:20] <infectedserver> Another thing I noticed: a hidden file name "/usr/sbin/.lib1", that repeatedly runs a binary called "systemd" in the same binary, but systemd is actually a monero miner
[15:33] <sdeziel> infectedserver: that's a bit stupid for them to change the SSH host key(s) as that makes it pretty noticeable ...
[15:37] <infectedserver> well, 100% CPU usage is also pretty notiecable
[15:50] <shubjero> coreycb: Is juju a premium ubuntu feature? Is there a documented path to migrate from openstack deployments using ubuntu apt to juju?
[15:52] <coreycb> shubjero: no juju is open source and available for anyone to use
[15:52] <coreycb> shubjero: https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/charm-deployment-guide/latest/
[15:54] <coreycb> shubjero: btw we're working on bisecting to narrow in on the offending commit for the bug that's affecting you
[15:54] <shubjero> coreycb: yeah I just updated that ticket, thanks again for your efforts. I gained a lot of grey hair on this upgrade to Ussuri haha
[21:06] <pcfreak30> Hello, I have a question. Im trying to install 18.04 ontop of lvm which is on a raid 0 (i know raid 0 is bad). the ncursus installer is wanting a boot disk after i mounted one lv to / and another to /boot. what am i missing
[21:20] <sdeziel> pcfreak30: I don't quite remember if grub has all it needs to boot from a FS stored in a LV on top of raid0. IIRC I used to have a similar setup except I was using raid 1 and /boot was in the same LV as / (ext4).
[21:21] <pcfreak30> sdeziel: im switching to the debian installer to see if it will help. im reading a lot of b*tching on ubuntus new "live" install system
[21:21] <pcfreak30> and i was trying to put boot on / too but it wouldnt let me
[22:28] <pcfreak30> sdeziel: the debian installer allowed my disk setup but i could not seen to get grub to install due to a disk filter write error when i chrooted manually.
[22:29] <pcfreak30> its forcing it to be a physical disk and that would be wasting a disk unless i can use raid with a partition
[23:13] <pcfreak30> Any reason a partition cannot be set as a boot disk?? I have 1 partition set as /boot and the rest of the disk as raid, and the other disks raid as a whole (no partition table).
[23:13] <pcfreak30> tried on 18.04 and 20
[23:15] <mwhudson> you need to partition the disk to be able to use it as a boot disk
[23:16] <mwhudson> and by boot disk that means "somewhere to put grub", i.e. an ESP for uefi or space at the front of the disk for legacy boot
[23:21] <pcfreak30> " you need to partition the disk to be able to use it as a boot disk" i created a 2Gb partition as 1, and a linux raid partition as 2. despite that it blocked making it a "boot" disk even though it was set to mount at /boot
[23:21] <mwhudson> pcfreak30: uefi or legacy boot?
[23:22] <mwhudson> pcfreak30: also /boot is nothing to do with this (confusingly) you can stop talking about that for now
[23:22] <pcfreak30> right now im assuming legacy. havent tried to do uefi explicitly
[23:23] <mwhudson> was the disk partitioned before you started the installer or did you create the partitions in the installer?
[23:24] <pcfreak30> i created them in a shell the reset the partitioner to refresh it but it was being restritive.
[23:25] <pcfreak30> because*
[23:25] <mwhudson> oh
[23:25] <pcfreak30> just rebooted now b/c it was acting up
[23:25] <mwhudson> well in this case you will have better luck if you reformat the disk in the installer
[23:25] <pcfreak30> But I now have a gpt table with 1 partition in all disdks but the one that has a 2gb partition for the boot drive
[23:25] <pcfreak30> gpt*
[23:26] <pcfreak30> havent done any formatting yet
[23:26] <mwhudson> i mean create the partitions in the installer
[23:26] <pcfreak30> it just seems to be a bit anal about some stuff so been doing it manual
[23:38] <sdeziel> pcfreak30: if you mostly want a raid 0, you can probably partition both disks with a single partition covering 1MB till the end, stripe them, put LVM on top and install grub into both MBRs
[23:39] <sdeziel> pcfreak30: having a partition will make the 1st MB usable by grub which you might as well install into each disks, just in case
[23:41] <pcfreak30> im on mbr not uefi btw
[23:50] <pcfreak30> sdeziel: doing everything in the installer sort of works. i create the boot partition 1st but then in building the raid it locks it out as a raid member -_-
[23:50] <pcfreak30> so i have 3 and not 4 to use
[23:52] <sdeziel> pcfreak30: with LVM and raid (0 or whatever) under it, I'd aim for a single partition unless you want different raid level to back multiple PVs
[23:53] <pcfreak30> right now i had it create the boot 1st, THEn i created 1 partition under each. it just refuses to allow the partition i created for raid on the boot drive!
[23:53] <pcfreak30> I could add it after install but thats just painful
[23:54] <pcfreak30> and yes it has a 1 mb partition created
[23:57] <pcfreak30> sdeziel: https://imgur.com/a/mHCAI2E
[23:59] <sdeziel> pcfreak30: as you said, this seems to be a GPT partition (IIRC this is when the bios_grub part is needed)


[11:57] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:09] <rick_h_> morn
[12:49] <_stink_> yo
[13:53] <wolfger> morning
[14:23] <mrgoodcat> anybody having digital ocean trouble this morning?
[14:25] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Haven't used them so no
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> it seems to have just cleared up actually
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> was having intermittent network issues
[14:27] <cmaloney> Wonder if they're having the same issues that have plagued Linode
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> my apache access log says i was attacked
[14:27] <mrgoodcat> unless my website got REALLY popular last night
[14:28] <mrgoodcat> my poor 10$ digital ocean dropplet can't handle that many connections i guess
[14:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, they've been doing all sorts of shenanigans
[14:47] <cmaloney> The proverbial "they"


[18:04] <daftykins> phew that heat in my kitchen is threatening the solidity of my chocolate!
[18:05] <daftykins> i thought it was safe to remove from the fridge post-heatwave
[18:05] <zxmpi> only one way to make it safe
[18:05] <daftykins> store internally?
[18:05] <zxmpi> that's it
[18:05] <daftykins> \o/
[18:05] <zxmpi> only way to be sure
[18:05] <daftykins> discount magnums are also on the menu right now though
[18:05] <daftykins> mmm, almond
[18:06] <zxmpi> cool pop moved to fridge so will be mushy when i get back from walk
[18:06] <daftykins> now that's planning
[18:07] <zxmpi> if i left it outside it would be warm by time i got back. fridge slows melting
[18:08] <zxmpi> finally ordered a unihertz titan pocket. https://www.unihertz.com/products/titan-pocket
[18:08] <zxmpi> was really hoping to get a pinephone with keyboard but it's just too alpha for my liking
[18:10] <daftykins> may be that way for some time, the land of open Linux phones!
[18:10] <zxmpi> the planet psion reboot looks good but is just too pricey
[18:12] <daftykins> hmm not heard of that one
[18:13] <zxmpi> https://www.zdnet.com/article/psion-reborn-but-this-time-its-gemini-pda-an-android-linux-phone-with-full-keyboard/
[18:21] <daftykins> ooooh very interesting
[18:49] <penguin42> that does look like a Psion 5 keyboard
[19:48] <daftykins> nooo my galaxy ripples are so melted i think i just ate some packet
[20:15] <zxmpi> cola cool pop hitting the spot


[02:08] <Kilos> o/
[18:35] <MajB> Got a slight problem concerning the Meet-Up accounts.
[18:36] <MajB> Is this the correct channel to ask?
[22:22] <Kilos> o/
[23:02]  * genii slides a fresh mug over to Kilos