[15:07] <elias_a> Is there any information available how the messing of ukrainian translation of installer happened?
[15:08] <elias_a> I tried to discuss the matter on ubuntu-discuss but got kicked out of the channel. :/
[15:11] <elias_a> My reason for asking: having done some localization of FLOSS and also having coordinated localization in my country, I'd like to know how things went and is something done to prevent something similar to happen in the future.


[20:18] <mate|5176> Hi.Ihave a trounle after installing MATE on mi PC.
[20:19] <mate|5176> It seems, the computer doesnt reconogize mi audio intterface, (The one installed on the mother base)
[20:19] <mate|5176> ¿Can you help me?
[20:24] <mate|5176> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[20:24] <mate|83783> Has anyone experienced strange behavior with the "Google Music Manger" notification applet? On first install, the menu items appear when i click on the "headphone" icon. After a restart the menu is empty (just black space). The app works fine otherwise.
[20:27] <mate|5176> Tarjeta: HDA Intel
[20:27] <mate|5176> Chip: Realtek ALC1200
[23:20] <IMDISLIKELIFE> HELLO SHITS
[23:20] <IMDISLIKELIFE> a one her??????????
[23:21] <IMDISLIKELIFE> dafuk


[03:07] <absk007___> what r the applications installed using Lubuntu Alternate install minimal?
[03:14] <ianorlin> alternate install is same as regular lubuntu install but minimal install is something else that just install a minimal number of packages
[03:18] <holstein> !mini
[03:26] <absk007___> holstein, ianorlin, while installing minimal lubuntu setup from Alternate install image, will I be able to select which extra packages to install at the installation time?
[03:28] <ianorlin> I think expert mode allows that but it is complicated and not that well tested
[03:29] <absk007___> i've used the expert mode while installing the Ubuntu Minimal. And downloads packages from internet. Will the minimal lubuntu install from alternate img download pkgs from web?
[03:29] <Unit193> There's "Install" and "Command-line install", one brings you to tasksel, the other one installs a minimal system where you can install other packages when you want.  This is not technically the "Alternate install", it's using the mini.iso.
[03:30] <Unit193> I believe the alternate is just like using ubiquity, just that it uses the "debian-installer".
[03:31] <absk007___> Unit193, since it uses mini.iso, does it download the required pkgs from web or uses the pkgs available in the alternate img?
[03:31] <Unit193> mini.iso is not the same as the Lubuntu alternate iso.  The mini does download from the internet, the alternate does not.
[03:35] <absk007___> Unit193, but can't it use the img as the download src? There comes a option in minimal install to choose the src. Does it also allows installing from usb alternate lubuntu img?
[09:04] <absk007> ** (canberra-gtk-play:5962): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-3WJ2e4ZJTH: Connection refused
[09:04] <absk007> No event id or file specified.
[09:04] <absk007> what's the issue?
[09:07] <silverlion> absk007 : chromium
[09:07] <silverlion> ;)
[09:07] <silverlion> had the same issue
[09:08] <silverlion> after uninstalling chromium this error message will be gone
[09:09] <absk007> issue with chromium too
[09:10] <silverlion> yes. uninstall chromium and every package that is related to it
[09:10] <silverlion> then you'll stop getting this error message
[09:11] <absk007> i was working. Suddenly lubuntu shutdown directly. I was connected to wifi & working in chromium. Started lubuntu, started chromium. Not starting. Even the wifi is not connecting. Always says (disconnected).
[09:11] <absk007> not even showing the wifi hotspot
[09:12] <silverlion> not sure if I understood correctly
[09:12] <silverlion> :(
[09:12] <silverlion> may I ask where you from?
[09:13] <absk007> silverlion, is it really necessary???
[09:13] <silverlion> absk007 : i am just trying to find someone who is able to talk to you in your native tongue which will ease the conversation
[09:15] <absk007> i understood u about uninstalling all packages. But i've another issue about wifi module showing disconnected.
[09:16] <silverlion> absk007 : have you checked the router for proper working?
[09:17] <absk007> silverlion, yeah! The issue is OS related.
[09:19] <silverlion> absk007 : found similar issues in http://askubuntu.com/questions/324177/how-can-i-fix-my-wifi-connection-in-lubuntu-13-04
[09:19] <silverlion> have you tried?=
[09:23] <kuhilasvaara> can someone suggest me a text editor that can highlight php, javascript and some basic coding languages, and when I open a new file in it, it will open it in a new tab by default. I tried gvim and cream but they seem shtt compared to notepad++ on windows
[09:23] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : bluefish ;)
[09:23] <absk007> silverlion, the issue is a bit different. The wifi hotspot is not detected at all.
[09:24] <absk007> silverlion, this happened after sudden lubuntu shutdown while i was connected to Wifi
[09:24] <kuhilasvaara> at quick glance that seems like a full blown dev editor thingie
[09:25] <kuhilasvaara> and not so basic I am looking for hm hm
[09:25] <absk007> kuhilasvaara, give Sublime Text 3 a try! Hope it helps
[09:25] <silverlion> absk007 : well to be honest that's a little above my knowledge :(
[09:25] <silverlion> sorry
[09:26] <silverlion> maybe you try ubuntuforums with that problem
[09:26] <silverlion> absk007 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1528945 ?
[09:26] <absk007> hmm...also after that incident, Chromium stopped working. No Error. It's just not starting.
[09:27] <silverlion> I am sorry ... no idea :(
[09:28] <silverlion> absk007 : are you on facebook?
[09:28] <silverlion> maybe a post in the lubuntu facebook group might help
[09:29] <kuhilasvaara> lubuntu software center does not find that sublime not apt-cache search or not sure. Oh well. I try that bluefish
[09:29] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : you'll gonna love it
[09:30] <absk007> yeah! but after a lightning strike, my desktop MB crashed 5 days back. That's the reason i'm on my 1 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 7.5 GB USB HDD (320 GB HDD crashed due to Windows 7 Ult) ASUS 1215B EeePC laptop.
[09:30] <kuhilasvaara> hmm ye, the file oopened quite quickly in it
[09:30] <kuhilasvaara> already like it :)
[09:31] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : have a look at http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/screenshots.html there are some screencasts which show the features
[09:32] <absk007> how to remove `canberra-gtk-play` ? apt-get remove doesn't.
[09:33] <silverlion> absk007 : have you try synaptic?
[09:34] <silverlion> absk007 : but reading through the docs I'd recommend against uninstalling it
[09:34] <absk007> silverlion, removed. But it wasn't installed before..
[09:35] <absk007> silverlion, why do you say so?
[09:35] <silverlion> because on this package there are different other sound software things depending
[09:36] <absk007> silverlion, damn! u should have warned me. Installed again! LoLz.
[09:37] <silverlion> told you that dbus error you got, it depends on chromium
[09:38] <silverlion> there is an internal bug in chromium which causes it
[09:38] <silverlion> you should start looking for another browser ;)
[09:39] <absk007> umm...actually chromium isn't starting because of this .. "/usr/bin/chromium-browser: 7: .: Can't open /usr/lib/pepflashplugin-installer/pepflashplayer.sh"
[09:39] <silverlion> absk007 : yes. that's why purge it totally
[09:39] <absk007> silverlion, purged pepflashplugin
[09:39] <absk007> but i want chromium to run
[09:39] <absk007> silverlion, how do i?
[09:40] <silverlion> absk007 : then you'll need version 35 of chromium installed
[09:40] <silverlion> hang on
[09:40] <absk007> silverlion, no..no. then i don't need flash
[09:40] <absk007> but i just want my chromium to run. Please help.
[09:41] <silverlion> absk007 : I told you. chromium is not running due to an internal bug in the code which has not been fixed yet
[09:41] <absk007> but it was running before installing that damn pepflash! Removed pepflash but still it shows that error.
[09:42] <absk007> i can't purge chromium. My passwords!! I don't remember.
[09:42] <silverlion> have a look here >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1307648
[09:42] <silverlion> that's the reason
[09:42] <silverlion> they are still working on that bug
[09:42] <silverlion> I need you to wait. there is no help right now
[09:43] <silverlion> absk007 : try Preferences->Language Support->Language->Keyboard input method system: 'none'
[09:43] <silverlion> maybe this helps
[09:44] <absk007> silverlion, but the error it shows is due to pepflash. rt?
[09:44] <silverlion> absk007 : pls do understand. All I am able to do is looking for links
[09:44] <silverlion> I am a newbie myself, ok?
[09:49] <absk007> silverlion, lemme reinstall chromium
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : go for it ;)
[09:50] <silverlion> I gotta go now
[09:50] <silverlion> be back later
[09:50] <absk007> plz don't go..
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : sorry, work is waiting. I have to
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : you should come back around 20.00 UTC
[09:50] <absk007> silverlion, lemme atleast reinstall chromium
[09:51] <silverlion> absk007 : no choice
[09:51] <silverlion> my boss is already behind me ... I'm in trouble
[09:51] <silverlion> sorry
[09:51] <absk007> lolz
[09:51] <hateball> absk007: If you open /usr/bin/chromium-browser with gedit or something you should see lines relating to pepflash
[09:52] <absk007> hateball, lemme check
[09:53] <absk007> hateball, damn! u r late. I already purged & reinstalling chromium.
[09:53] <hateball> oh well
[09:53] <hateball> absk007: userdata isnt gone on purge anyhow
[09:54] <absk007> yeah! still i renamed it just to b on safe side
[11:07] <absk007> hateball, ...
[11:07] <absk007> how to take snapshot?
[11:07] <hateball> absk007: A screenshot?
[11:07] <absk007> yep
[11:08] <hateball> Hmmm, not on Lubuntu now... but doesnt PrtScr launch something by default?
[11:08] <absk007> nope!
[11:08] <Unit193> hateball: Yes, scrot and saves it to ~/
[11:09] <absk007> does keymon work?
[11:09] <hateball> absk007: there you have it ^
[11:10] <absk007> how to use scrot? terminal? scrot doesn't work.
[11:10] <hateball> scrot is a cli app, but Unit193 suggests pressing prtscr should fire it up and save an image to your ~/
[11:12] <absk007> sry! PrtSc does work. It just doesn't show any GUI. Simply saves it to ~/
[11:12] <absk007> how to upload to imgur from terminal?
[11:13] <hateball> I am not aware of any such tool
[11:15] <Unit193> imgur has a bash script, or did.
[11:16] <absk007> i got one. Really nyc! http://askubuntu.com/questions/417295/how-to-take-a-screenshot-and-then-upload-the-image-to-imgur-through-terminal
[11:17] <absk007> This is what happened to my Wifi http://i.imgur.com/CWwcWGX.png
[11:18] <absk007> i click on "Switch Wifi" still no clue!!
[11:19] <absk007> my wifi is already ON
[11:23] <absk007> how could "zenity" be of any help?
[11:27] <absk007> Unit193, hateball, silverlion, plz answer my doubts & questions
[11:28] <rafaellaguna> absk007, what's not working?
[11:28] <absk007> rafaellaguna, my wifi. Issue! http://i.imgur.com/CWwcWGX.png
[11:29] <absk007> doesn't show
[11:29] <absk007> hotspots
[11:29] <rafaellaguna> show what? at the panel?
[11:29] <absk007> rafaellaguna, no where
[11:29] <rafaellaguna> version of Lubuntu?
[11:29] <absk007> it scans & doesn't show anything. This happened after a crash!
[11:30] <absk007> Lubuntu Desktop 14.04 (Un)Trusty
[11:31] <rafaellaguna> why don't you use nm-applet?
[11:31] <absk007> i restarted network-manager several times. No HELP.
[11:31] <absk007> that applet in the taskbar that comes by default. I use it.
[11:31] <absk007> rafaellaguna, installed Wicd just now
[11:31] <rafaellaguna> your screenshot shows wicd
[11:32] <rafaellaguna> ok
[11:32] <rafaellaguna> can you connect to cable nets?
[11:33] <absk007> yeah!
[11:33] <rafaellaguna> but not wi-fi
[11:33] <absk007> LAN works f9...it detects LAN but not Wifi.
[11:34] <absk007> rafaellaguna, the applet just shows "Wifi disconnected" msg
[11:34] <rafaellaguna> ok, let me check something...
[11:37] <rafaellaguna> absk007, have you read this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/450048/cannot-connect-to-wireless-in-lubuntu-14-04
[12:15] <absk007> rafaellaguna, sry! i wasn't near here.  lemme check
[12:16] <rafaellaguna> ok, that's the opnly resource I can give to you, I'm not an expert in net things
[12:17] <absk007> rafaellaguna, anyway things.
[12:17] <absk007> *thanks
[12:18] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome :)
[12:24] <absk007> rafaellaguna, that didn't change anything. Damn!
[12:25] <absk007> Wifi Network problem. Anyone!! Please help.
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> you should remove wicd, and make a proper ask on AskUbuntu
[12:35] <rafaellaguna> absk007, I hate leaving a problem unsolved, come back later and we'll ask a reallly expert on this matter
[12:39] <absk007> rafaellaguna, thanks. Another issue
[12:39] <absk007> How to install teamviewer using ppa latest stable
[12:43] <rafaellaguna> I'm on it...
[12:43] <absk007> will Teamviewer install in 1GHz, 2GB RAM, 7.5 GB USB HDD?
[12:44] <rafaellaguna> I see there's no updated PPA, but yes on their website: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx
[12:45] <absk007> & the question 2?
[12:45] <rafaellaguna> and I don't recommend TeamViewer on such a limited computer, you'll notice lags all the time
[12:47] <absk007> damn! me, my PC, & lightning!!
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> things happen :)
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> ok, me goez eat
[14:23] <absk007_> wifi Issue. Anyone?
[14:25] <suncokret> hello
[14:45] <absk007_> suncokret, r u having a prob. or wanna help me?
[14:54] <suncokret> how i can help you? :)
[14:59] <suncokret> i install audacity and when i want to record something with microphone it don't record anything
[14:59] <suncokret> how to change recording volume level of microphone
[14:59] <suncokret> ?
[15:00] <average_guy> alsamixer suncokret
[15:24] <absk007_> suncokret, install "pulse audio volume control"
[15:27] <suncokret> i can't find that pulse audio volume control
[15:41] <absk007_> suncokret, "apt-get search pulse|grep -i control"
[15:42] <absk007_> **apt-cache search pulse|grep -i control
[15:42] <absk007_> suncokret, install using "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol"
[15:43] <absk007_> suncokret, it's very easy 2 use interface
[15:43] <suncokret> now i find
[15:43] <suncokret> is it enough to install pavucontrol in synaptic?
[15:47] <suncokret> i instal pavucontrol from synaptic
[15:47] <absk007_> suncokret, same issue i had. yep! that's it.
[15:47] <absk007_> Wifi issue. Anyone?
[15:47] <suncokret> and set microphone in volume
[15:47] <suncokret> louder
[15:47] <suncokret> and now it work
[15:47] <suncokret> thanks
[15:47] <absk007_> suncokret, yeah! yeah!
[15:47] <absk007_> congrats!
[15:47] <suncokret> i just searched for audio mixer like pavucontrol
[15:48] <suncokret> but i didn't find
[15:48] <suncokret> that is great mixer
[15:48] <absk007_> it's alsamixer
[15:48] <absk007_> someone suggested me that too
[15:48] <suncokret> i was find alsamixer gui
[15:48] <suncokret> but it is bad
[15:49] <suncokret> i can't find option for record
[15:49] <suncokret> just for playback
[15:49] <absk007_> you just wanted to increase the vol. rt?
[15:49] <suncokret> yes
[15:49] <absk007_> there is an option for record too
[15:49] <suncokret> but also to have option for record
[15:49] <suncokret> i didn't find option for record in alsamixer
[15:50] <suncokret> but in pulse mixer is here
[15:50] <suncokret> :)
[15:50] <absk007_> suncokret, gr8. rock & roll.. ;-)
[15:51] <suncokret> and i see now lubuntu accept pulse mixer to be default
[15:52] <suncokret> do you know to work with arhivers (7zip and rar)?
[15:52] <absk007_> suncokret, you already have a default archive manager. rt?
[15:53] <suncokret> yes
[15:53] <suncokret> i have problem
[15:53] <absk007_> just install "sudo apt-get install -y unrar rar"
[15:53] <absk007_> for rar
[15:53] <suncokret> i have that all
[15:53] <suncokret> yes
[15:53] <suncokret> i have other problem
[15:53] <absk007_> like what?
[15:54] <suncokret> i use double commander, and when i have some arhive with directories (folders)
[15:54] <suncokret> and when i want to add some file to arhive in directory
[15:54] <suncokret> it don't add it in directory, it add it in root of archive
[15:55] <suncokret> and in zip arhives it work good
[15:55] <suncokret> and
[15:55] <suncokret> defeult arhive manager add in 7zip and rar where i want to add
[15:55] <suncokret> *default
[15:57] <suncokret> so problem is in double commander, probably is need to change some parameters in option for adding in 7z and rar
[15:57] <suncokret> do you know something about that?
[15:57] <suncokret> :)
[15:57] <absk007_> oops! never worked with the "double trouble" !! ;-)
[15:58] <suncokret> i think that is best file manager for linux
[15:58] <suncokret> very similar as total commander
[15:58] <suncokret> but not good as total commander
[15:59] <suncokret> it need to be developed more :)
[15:59] <absk007_> suncokret, (unrelated to soln.) may i know about your computer specs.
[16:00] <suncokret> hardware?
[16:00] <absk007_> yep!
[16:00] <absk007_> coz i wanna compare what kinda h/w run lubuntu...
[16:01] <suncokret> chipset iQ965
[16:01] <suncokret> video Intel GMA3000 on board
[16:02] <suncokret> 1GB memory
[16:02] <suncokret> Intel Core 2 Duo 2,8 ghz
[16:02] <absk007_> CPU freq.?
[16:02] <absk007_> k
[16:02] <absk007_> gr8.
[16:03] <absk007_> i think you've Intel E7400. rt?
[16:03] <suncokret> E5916
[16:03] <suncokret> esprimo
[16:04] <suncokret> and audio is
[16:04] <suncokret> Realtek ALC260
[16:04] <suncokret> :)
[16:04] <absk007_> k...gr8. u've a powerful h/w. y run with 1 GB RAM?
[16:04] <suncokret> yes
[16:04] <suncokret> i am lazy
[16:05] <suncokret> i will try lubuntu
[16:05] <suncokret> on old machine
[16:05] <suncokret> i want to see how it work
[16:05] <suncokret> celeron 566
[16:05] <absk007_> sure..it works f9.
[16:05] <absk007_> wanna see my h/w specs?
[16:06] <suncokret> with 384 mb ram
[16:06] <absk007_> AMD C50 1GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM, 7.42 GB USB HDD (320GB HDD crashed running Win7 Ult) using ASUS 1215B EeePC Lappy
[16:07] <suncokret> and how lubuntu work on your hardware?
[16:07] <absk007_> works gr8...
[16:07] <phillw> with 2GB RAM, it will fly!
[16:08] <absk007_> RAM not prob. much. I do heavy multitasking
[16:08] <phillw> 384 MB is fine for lubuntu, unless you doing serious work in GIMP :P
[16:08] <suncokret> on that old machine celeron 566 and 384 mb of ram i use win98
[16:08] <suncokret> :)
[16:08] <absk007_> run WebStorm IDE, TeamViewer, Chromium w/ 10 tabs
[16:08] <suncokret> and on this machine with 1GB of ram lubuntu work great
[16:08] <phillw> I've just put lubuntu onto an old win98 machine. It's a happy little bunny.
[16:09] <phillw> had to use a 3.5" floppy as it can not boot from CD :P
[16:09] <suncokret> i was try Mint - xfce, mate, cinnamon, kde, xubuntu, Rosa LXDE
[16:09] <absk007_> in mine, lubuntu lags while running chromium w/ high mem usage tabs!
[16:09] <suncokret> and Lubuntu is best for me
[16:09] <absk007_> suncokret, lubuntu is the lightest of all.
[16:10] <absk007_> See here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_environment#Comparison_of_desktop_environments
[16:10] <phillw> absk007_: we popped back to ffox, as after it's diet - it now lower resource than chromium. We are not fan bois of either browser - we simply choose which is leanest at each release :D
[16:11] <suncokret> Arch is lightest, but i don't know to install it, and i don't want to learn
[16:11] <suncokret> because Arch is not much lighter than Lubuntu
[16:11] <suncokret> :)
[16:12] <suncokret> Arch is not worth of trouble for me
[16:12] <absk007_> because arch is w/o any DE, WM, DM, etc...
[16:12] <suncokret> i use 32 bit Lubuntu 14.04
[16:12] <absk007_> install any you choose from the link!!
[16:12] <absk007_> same as me!
[16:12] <suncokret> and when system start it use about 115MB of memory
[16:12] <suncokret> it was used more
[16:12] <suncokret> but i removed ibus
[16:14] <absk007_> phillw, which FF to use so that i get maximum stability and perf.?
[16:14] <suncokret> phillw, did you try Opera? Opera is lighter browser
[16:14] <suncokret> i use Opera and FF
[16:15] <suncokret> but more opera
[16:15] <suncokret> version 11.64
[16:15] <absk007_> what's the use of ibus exactly? Which apps depend on it?
[16:15] <suncokret> i think no apps don't depend on ibus
[16:16] <absk007_> then why is ibus installed?
[16:16] <suncokret> and double commander had problems with keyboard when ibus was started
[16:16] <suncokret> so solution was to disable or deinstall it
[16:16] <suncokret> i deinstalled it
[16:16] <absk007_> how much resourse frees if ibus is removed?
[16:16] <suncokret> i don't know
[16:17] <suncokret> try to disable it and see
[16:17] <suncokret> maybe about 10 mb ram
[16:17] <absk007_> ibus eats less cpu & some mem
[16:17] <suncokret> i don't need it for nothing
[16:18] <absk007_> what added help does it do to me & my system?
[16:18] <phillw> absk007_ suncokret: at each pre-release lubuntu has a beauty contest for apps. Browser is the one that gets the most comments :) The browser must be in the repos to be considered.
[16:18] <absk007_> lolz
[16:19] <phillw> absk007_: it is for language support from memory
[16:19] <absk007_> phillw, do i need it if i use English?
[16:20] <suncokret> you can download opera for ubuntu on opera site, you can choose version too
[16:20] <phillw> I did not run, as there was a clash with chromium.
[16:20] <suncokret> so it don't need to be in repo :)
[16:20] <suncokret> did you try opera?
[16:20] <absk007_> nope!
[16:20] <suncokret> it is much lighter than firefox
[16:20] <absk007_> phillw, should i remove ibus?
[16:21] <suncokret> i removed ibus and i don't see anything bad
[16:21] <suncokret> :)
[16:21] <suncokret> ibus was not in 13.04
[16:21] <absk007_> phillw, what's your advice about removing ibus?
[16:22] <phillw> suncokret: it has to be in the repo to be allowed on the iso. Those are the rules :) (And no, I did not make them). You can use xombrero if you want a really lean browser.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Low_Resource_Browser
[16:22] <suncokret> opera use about 25MB of ram
[16:22] <phillw> absk007_: as part of bug 1307648 removing iBus was one of suggested work-rounds
[16:23] <suncokret> and firefox use about 60MB
[16:23] <suncokret> i used opera for years on windows
[16:23] <phillw> I'm running 14.10, so have v35 on my system and does not have the bug.
[16:24] <suncokret> and it is great browser, only it is not open source :
[16:24] <suncokret> :)
[16:24] <absk007_> phillw, according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1307648/comments/21 chromium uses ibus
[16:24] <phillw> absk007_: no, it had a fight, which has been fixed with v35 :)
[16:25] <absk007_> phillw, i'm in "Chromium 34.0.1847.116 Ubuntu 14.04 aura". How to update?
[16:25] <absk007_> phillw, ppa pls.
[16:25] <phillw> suncokret: it is going for adoption, a tortuous series of steps.
[16:26] <suncokret> i just say if somebody want more than half lighter browser than FF, can try Opera :)
[16:28] <absk007_> is there any battery monitoring app like in ubuntu?
[16:29] <suncokret> absk007_ how much ram chromium eat?
[16:30] <suncokret> i never didn't use chromium
[16:32] <suncokret> phillw, how to install xombrero?
[16:32] <suncokret> it is not in repo
[16:33] <suncokret> sorry, i find ppa... ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:35] <phillw> I've not seen one for v35, the test area has leap frogged past that.. http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/how-to-install-chromium-beta-or-dev.html absk007_ as 14.10 lubuntu is purely a bug fix release, you may want to jump onto that. I've had it since alpha 1 (now just passed alpha 2).
[16:35] <phillw> suncokret: there is a newer version kicking around.. let me see if I can recall where it is.
[16:36] <phillw> suncokret: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+ppa-packages
[16:37] <phillw> that may have a newer version, I know Unit has taken an interest in the application. (He's our IRC policeman for lubuntu and can be trustd)
[16:38] <suncokret> yes, in this ppa which you find is 1.6.3
[16:38] <suncokret> that is new version
[16:39] <suncokret> but i can't find ppa adress
[16:39] <suncokret> ?
[16:41] <absk007_> Unit193 ppa might have malware injected into it's very <3
[16:41] <phillw> absk007_:  he he... Only over his rotting corpse :P
[16:42] <absk007_> NSA might have injected backdoor in Original Google Chrome!!
[16:43] <phillw> As with Julien, they take immense care on what they allow us to easily access :)
[16:43] <suncokret> i will try that xombrero and compare it with opera
[16:43] <suncokret> advantage of xombrero is because it is open source
[16:43] <phillw> suncokret: pull either the older one from Julien, or the newer from Unit.
[16:44] <suncokret> i will try older
[16:44] <suncokret> and i didn't find ppa address of unit
[16:44] <suncokret> ?
[16:44] <suncokret> on first i find ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:44] <suncokret> but on unit nothing
[16:44] <suncokret> :)
[16:50] <suncokret> dje si snele kuco stara?
[16:51] <absk007> suncokret, what you saying?
[16:51] <suncokret> something to snele
[16:51] <suncokret> sorry
[16:51] <suncokret> :)
[16:51] <suncokret> if somebody want to try opera
[16:51] <suncokret> http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux-i386&list=all
[16:52] <suncokret> i use version 11.64, and newest version is 12.16
[16:52] <suncokret> really fast and light browser
[16:52] <snele> suncokret: hahaha gde me nadje
[16:52] <absk007> what's the xombrero ppa?
[16:52] <suncokret> ppa:unit193/xombrero
[16:52] <suncokret> or
[16:53] <suncokret> ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:53] <suncokret> on first is newer version
[16:53] <absk007> Unit193, might be unsafe!!!
[16:53] <absk007> 2nd one not found
[16:54] <suncokret> this phil say
 so Unit193 is trustworthy?
 100%
[16:54] <absk007> i's kidding.
[16:54] <absk007> :-D :-)
[16:54] <suncokret> i will try xombrero
[16:54] <suncokret> and you can try opera
[16:55] <absk007> phillw, suncokret, xombrero not found in ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:55] <suncokret> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/non-official-apps
[16:56] <suncokret> there is xombrero
[16:56] <absk007> added the ppa, apt-get update, not found
[16:56] <suncokret> i don't know
[16:56] <wxl> absk007: how did you add it?
[16:56] <phillw> use https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xombrero
[16:57] <wxl> absk007: and what version are you on?
[16:57] <absk007> wxl, sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:58] <absk007> i'm on 14.04
[16:58] <wxl> there is no xombrero for 14.04 there
[16:58] <suncokret> yes
[16:58] <absk007> then Unit193 is the only choice i've
[16:58] <suncokret> there is not xombrero
[16:58] <wxl> saucy raring and quantal only
[16:59] <wxl> there is xxxterm in the standard repos
[16:59] <phillw> wxl: that's very old
[17:00] <phillw> suncokret: 14.04 is there
[17:00] <absk007> how to add program to the application menu?
[17:00] <wxl> xombrero is 1.5.0 in the ppa and xxxterm is 1.11.3 in the repos
[17:00] <phillw> 12.04, 14,04 and 14.10
[17:00] <wxl> phillw: by there, i assume you mean Unit193's ppa
[17:00] <wxl> ?
[17:00] <phillw> yup
[17:01] <wxl> yeah cuz it's not in non-official apps
[17:01] <absk007> suncokret, r u from Slovenia?
[17:01] <phillw> wxl: i know he's been quietly cheering it on :)
 suncokret: 14.04 is there .. i want to say there is not xombrero in ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[17:01] <suncokret> for 14.04
[17:01] <suncokret> .
[17:01] <wxl> Unit193 has 1.6.3
[17:01] <wxl> ooooh from git no less
[17:02] <wxl> bleeding freaking edge
[17:02] <phillw> suncokret: Julien put it in as a proof of concept.
[17:02] <phillw> I'll go edit the wiki page.
[17:03] <wxl> oic
[17:03] <wxl> they didn't change the name of xombrero from xxxterm, they started up the version numbers all over again
[17:03]  * wxl facepalms
[17:03] <suncokret> does somebody here try xombrero ?
[17:04] <wxl> that one in the main repos *IS* way behind
[17:04] <wxl> suncokret: i have before. it's great.
[17:04] <suncokret> now i will see
[17:04] <suncokret> .
[17:05] <suncokret> it is very slow download 6kb/s
[17:05] <absk007> xombrero has no addon.
[17:06] <suncokret> and does somebody try opera?
[17:07] <absk007> suncokret, you try!!
[17:07] <wxl> absk007: what do you need add ons for?
[17:07] <phillw> wiki page updated... absk007 it is a very low resource browser .. add ons == more resources. That is why it has only a foot note in the minimal area which itself is more for geeks than average user :)
[17:07] <suncokret> i will try xombrero :)
[17:07] <absk007> suncokret, xombrero is slow in opening pages but is very lightweight due to no features apart from search engine
[17:08] <absk007> wxl, addons for adblock & lastpass
[17:08] <wxl> suncokret: i've used opera before. it kind of reminds me of midori: it's got some interesting features, but not worth keeping around. that's my opinion.
[17:08] <suncokret> absk007, no i am from serbia
[17:08] <wxl> absk007: keepassx, man.
[17:08] <suncokret> and where are you from?
[17:08] <wxl> wow serbia!
[17:09] <suncokret> rs is serbia
[17:09] <suncokret> i think slovenia is si
[17:09] <absk007> i've installed midori. It's not that bad. But again! i need atleast the two addons - adblock & lastpass
[17:09] <wxl> huh it is rs
[17:09] <wxl> absk007: have you used keepassx?
[17:09] <absk007> umm...nope!
[17:10] <absk007> wxl, how it supports the browsers?
[17:10] <suncokret> i want to try xombrero, but download is very slow, i need to wait
[17:10] <wxl> absk007: it's basically lastpass but it's not on the cluod.
[17:10] <wxl> absk007: what i do is use dropbox to store my encrypted database and i can access it from any device, but the actual program allows me to enter passwords quickly into websites.
[17:10] <phillw> just as a thought, could this discussion be better at home on #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:11] <wxl> is this not support?
[17:16] <Slit> Hi! Colud some one show me a link for Lubuntu 14.04.1 hash number. I can only find hash number for 14.04
[17:17] <phillw> Slit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[17:18] <average_guy> can someone point me to steps for lxqt install for testing? I have a utopic server VM at the ready
[17:18] <phillw> if you got to cdimage page, you  need to scroll down to get the .1's
[17:18] <Slit> @ phillw. Where is for 14.04.01
[17:18] <phillw> average_guy: install the meta-package
[17:19] <average_guy> okies phillw
[17:20] <phillw> Slit: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ holds them all, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/ has 14.04 at the top and 14.04.1 lower down.
[17:21] <Slit> @ phillw Thank you!!! Found it!
[17:50] <tr3y> Hello... can someone point me in the right direction on how to set up dual monitors on Lubuntu 12.04?
[17:51] <average_guy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/MultiDisplay
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> and a nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub7pn-PUKjA  :)
[17:51] <tr3y> Awesome, thanks guys.
[17:53] <absk007> wxl, should i use keepassx or keepass2?
[18:08] <yz3pD> absk007, do you wanna use it only on linux or also under windows?
[18:09] <wxl> yz3pD: assuming we're talking keepass here, keepass2 can open keepass files if he needs to use it on windows
[18:09] <wxl> yz3pD: not vice versa
[18:10] <yz3pD> wxl, so keepass2 ?
[18:10] <Unit193> The beta has support for version 2 file format.
[18:10] <wxl> yz3pD: no keepassx is more portable
[18:10] <wxl> Unit193: the beta of keepassx????
[18:10] <yz3pD> wxl, but it has less functionality, or?
[18:11] <wxl> yz3pD: doesn't need 20,000 libs
[18:12] <Unit193> wxl: keepassx2, supporting the file format 2.  Bad part, alpha.
[18:13] <wxl> Unit193: oh wow
[18:13] <Unit193> And yeah, I'm all for keepassx over keepass2, don't want no stinkin' mono.  But, if he needs file format 2 support now, might be the way to go.
[18:15] <wxl> Unit193: he doesn't. he was asking which to use. yz3pD asked which os he needed to use it on and i suggested if there's multiple os's involved, to just use keepassx, though i should point out that keepassx will work everywhere.
[18:16] <Unit193> Then yes, I highly recommend keepassx over keepass2.
[18:17] <absk007> yz3pD, i wanna use on both linux & win 7
[18:18] <yz3pD> so i created a file with keepass2, can i use it under keepassx?
[18:18] <yz3pD> absk007, just use keepassx
[18:27] <wxl> +1 silverlion
[18:27] <wxl> ianorlin: currently i'm not the release manager for server ;)
[18:28] <ianorlin> it also affects lubuntu isos
[18:28] <ianorlin> both alternate and desktop
[18:29] <wxl> ahhhhh
[18:38] <absk007> why doesn't "key-mon" work?
[18:52] <wxl> ianorlin: i don't know why i didn't see that one in my mail. did it get marked lubuntu??
[18:53] <wxl> argh wrong channel
[18:54] <Unit193> You do that a lot, I laugh.
[20:35] <Kamilion> Having a little minor annoyance trying to recover some disks -- can anyone verify I've got the right kernel command line for my live CD?
[20:35] <Kamilion> libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect TORAM=Yes
[20:35] <Kamilion> that should stop dmraid and mdadm from running during boot, correct?
[20:41] <koell> Kamilion: idk if something in here, you may have to wait some hours or call phillw :D
[20:41] <Kamilion> Eh, I normally get better help here than #ubuntu, so I tend to ask here first.
[20:42] <Kamilion> ah well, I'll just run the build and hope I got it correct. :3
[20:42] <phillw> koell: shsss
[20:42] <phillw> Kamilion: you should not be running  both... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxOTk
[20:43] <Kamilion> I'm not running both
[20:43] <Kamilion> i have the mdadm package installed and I'm trying to get it to stay quiescent
[20:44] <absk007> is there any Peerblock like in Windows?
[20:44] <Kamilion> building a lubuntu based liveISO with ubuntu-builder.
[20:45] <Kamilion> and I expect to run into both dmraid arrays and mdadm arrays (from two different manufacturer's product lines)
[20:45] <Kamilion> but not at the same time.
[20:46] <phillw> Kamilion: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=441 is the server area, they are my best suggestion to ask about RAID stuff.
[20:46] <Kamilion> Roger.
[20:46]  * Kamilion pokes IdleOne to see if KindOne has any useful comments
[20:47] <absk007> Problem in apt-get
[20:47] <phillw> I've never used RAID - I'm an LVM fan :)
[20:47] <Kamilion> I'm a BTRFS fan. :)
[20:47] <Kamilion> OH, that's what I forgot
[20:47]  * Kamilion adds btrfs-tools to the ISO since lubuntu stopped shipping it on the ISO
[20:48] <absk007> Did "apt-get purge -y pidgin" && "apt-get autoremove -y". Error: Setting up install-info (5.2.0.dfsg.1-2) ...
[20:48] <absk007> Not a directory: /usr/share/info.
[20:48] <absk007> dpkg: error processing package install-info (--configure):
[20:48] <absk007>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:48] <absk007> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:48] <absk007>  install-info
[20:48] <absk007> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:49] <Kamilion> absk007: Uh, first thing off the top of my head would be 'try mkdir -p /usr/share/info  ?
[20:50] <Kamilion> phillw: thanks for the link; I didn't know mdadm was going to be taking over entirely in 14.xx+
[20:50] <absk007> Kamilion, thanks. Worked.
[20:51] <absk007> Kamilion, basically it was trying to put some config into that dir. But since it wasn't created, it could. ERROR. Bang!! rt?
[20:51] <absk007> **couldn't
[20:51] <Kamilion> pretty much.
[20:52] <Kamilion> honestly? I'd start using aptitude or wajig... I find raw apt-get a lot easier to shoot myself in the foot with. :)
[20:52] <phillw> we all help eachother, that is the only rule.
[20:53] <absk007> Kamilion, apt-get does the work quicker!!
[20:53] <Kamilion> *chuckles*
[20:53] <phillw> Kamilion: I went off apt-get for while, but am back using it.
[20:53] <Kamilion> I went to wajig and have never bothered coming back
[20:53] <Kamilion> I really like the subprompt and the fact that I can run it as a normal user and it knows when to sudo by itself.
[20:53] <phillw> Kamilion: I still prefer yum, but that's a different area :)
[20:53] <Kamilion> *shudder*
[20:54] <absk007> how to remove apt cache to save space?
[20:54] <Kamilion> I've used redhat since '4.2' and I STILL can't stand RPM, haha
[20:55] <phillw> absk007: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24
[20:56] <phillw> It is on the wiki, just happens to be quicker to use my own archive :)
[20:56] <absk007> phillw, not that. I want to remove apt index
[20:56] <Kamilion> that seems like it would be dangerous IMHO
[20:56] <absk007> i mean the thing that's cached after apt-get update
[20:57] <Kamilion> the package indexes themselves?
[20:57] <phillw> the index is a small file.
[20:57] <absk007> i can freeup some space.. :-)
[20:57] <Kamilion> ain't gonna be much space, IIRC those are about 4-6MB
[20:57] <phillw> absk007: you can also blow your machine up next time you try to update :P
[20:57] <absk007> But when i did apt-get update the 1st time, it downloaded arounded 20-30 MB
[20:57] <Kamilion> maybe 10-12MB if you have a bunch of stuff from PPAs and -security
[20:58] <Kamilion> hm
[20:58] <absk007> i'm using lubuntu from USB as HDD (7.42 GB) -- the 320 GB crashed
[20:58] <Kamilion> Ah.
[20:58] <absk007> every bit counts
[20:59] <Kamilion> heh, this is why I'm building my custom ISO with ubuntu-builder
[20:59] <Kamilion> I've got a 3.6GB install packed into an 806MB iso.
[20:59] <Kamilion> full of disk repair tools and stuff
[21:01] <absk007> Kamilion, ubuntu-builder. Is it easy to use?
[21:02] <Kamilion> Eh, the author gave up just before 14.04 released
[21:02] <Kamilion> it's... Yeah, I guess it's easy enough. Being a GUI app.
[21:02] <Kamilion> I had to patch a couple places here and there -- the last packages are in my PPA
[21:03] <Kamilion> https://launchpad.net/~kamilion/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-builder
[21:55] <swift110> Hello all
[22:08] <swift110_> hello all
[22:09] <rafaellaguna> hello :)
[22:09] <swift110_> how are you rafaellaguna
[22:11] <rafaellaguna> fine swift110
[22:11] <rafaellaguna> can I help you about anything?
[22:12] <swift110_> yes, I wanted to install lubuntu to one of my hdds at home.
[22:13] <swift110_> But first I created a live usb drive for it using usb image writer in linux mint 17
[22:14] <rafaellaguna> good, and?
[22:15] <swift110_> its not recignized by the mint laptop or windows pc
[22:15] <rafaellaguna> have you tried with another usb maker, like unetbootin?
[22:16] <rafaellaguna> if your laptop is very new and uses windows 8 it may be a problem
[22:17] <swift110_> my laptop is from 2010
[22:17] <swift110_> pc is from 2011
[22:18] <rafaellaguna> of course you told bios to boot from usb...
[22:18] <swift110_> well i didnt try to boot it
[22:18] <swift110_> i just stuck the usb in
[22:19] <rafaellaguna> you need to tell the machine the boot order, maybe booting from usb is deactivated. have you tried this before?
[22:19] <swift110_> if i got to "disk managment" then lubuntu shows up as a partition on the 4 GB USB drive
[22:19] <rafaellaguna> yes
[22:20] <swift110_> booting from usb is no problem at all.  What i am saying is that it wasnt recognized at all by both machines
[22:20] <rafaellaguna> ¿?
[22:20] <rafaellaguna> any message?
[22:20] <swift110_> I have created boot usbs before using unetbootin and never had this issue. I could put the usb in and be able to use it like normal when i wasnt trying to boot an os with it
[22:21] <rafaellaguna> in the same pcs?
[22:21] <swift110_> on the windows machine it would keep telling me the usb needed to be formatted lol
[22:21] <swift110_> yes the same pcs
[22:21] <rafaellaguna> maybe the iso image is damaged
[22:22] <rafaellaguna> once "burnt" the usb, can you open it and see what's inside?
[22:23] <swift110_> i can if i go to "diskmanagement" it shows the partition with lubuntu
[22:23] <rafaellaguna> but not using the file manager?
[22:24] <rafaellaguna> that you see is just a name you gave to the usb
[22:26] <swift110_> yes
[22:26] <rafaellaguna> do you it plugged right now?
[22:27] <phillw> the current usb creators have bugs against them.  swift110 have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[22:27] <phillw> Nio has the issue mailed
[22:27] <phillw> *nailed*
[22:28] <rafaellaguna> I was successful "burning" 14.04 with unetbootin
[22:28] <swift110_> The thing is I have used unetbootin plenty of times and I wanted to try something else
[22:28] <rafaellaguna> that mint tool?
[22:29] <phillw> did it self test okay? As if it does not.. Stop, do not pass go. A corrupt image is of no use.
[22:29] <rafaellaguna> right
[22:31] <swift110_> rafaellaguna: yes
[22:33] <Kamilion> note: Big difference between booting an ISOHYBRID enabled image from a USB device and looploading from a FAT partition.
[22:33] <Kamilion> IIRC mkusb and friends use DD under the hood to dump the image file directly onto the USB drive
[22:35] <rafaellaguna> official lubuntu iso is hybrid, check them at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[22:35] <Kamilion> which means I would assume it's either an ISO9660 filesystem with a MBR-compatible bootsector prepended, or a standard MBR+grub
[22:36] <Kamilion> versus unetbootin and friends, who create a FAT filesystem, stuff grub into it's bootsector, and rig it to either A: loopload kernel+initrd, or B: loopload an ISO and yank the kernel+initrd from it.
[22:40] <swift110_> you talkin over my head man
[22:41] <Kamilion> *sigh*
[22:41] <Kamilion> Okay, how's this then
[22:41] <Kamilion> Windows won't mount ISOHYBRID usb devices.
[22:42] <swift110_> ok thats better
[22:42] <swift110_> :)
[22:42] <swift110_> Here's the goal: To install lubuntu onto a pc that has 512 MB of RAM
[22:42] <rafaellaguna> another read, just in case: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[22:42] <Kamilion> try unetbooting or something else that formats the USB as FAT first
[22:50] <swift110_> ok
[23:49] <swift110_> im back


[00:29] <valorie> hmmm, upon updates and rebooting, my weird second screen came back
[00:30] <valorie> very odd that kscreen keeps ignoring my settings, and just as weird that it thinks I have two screens on my one laptop
[00:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: not new, someone ( possibly me ) didn't update the lib version in the 2.1 release because we needed 2.1 out ( the install file is exactly the same as 2.1 )
[00:43] <shadeslayer> yep, I didn't bump it in 2.1
[02:06] <manchicken> 'evening.
[02:31] <ahoneybun> hey man
[02:31] <ahoneybun> manchicken,
[02:35] <manchicken> hiya
[02:49] <manchicken> Man, Muon is really messed up, no?
[02:49] <manchicken> Trying to do updates it screws up this environment.
[02:50] <manchicken> I suppose it's possible that this libqapt testing I've been doing may have borked something in my environment, but this just seems odd.
[03:24] <manchicken> Anybody seen JonT in a while?
[03:58] <manchicken> apachelogger: I'm thinking for the libqapt stuff, I'm probably going to refactor things a bit. I'm going to go into the SourcesListPrivate class group entries with files, and I'm going to then make the SourcesList::save() method iterate through each file and perform the save on that file individually.
[04:31] <valorie> I tried to build the new muon branch but ran into errors
[04:31] <valorie> and got no reply here
[04:32] <manchicken> What kind of errors?
[04:33] <manchicken> I wonder if the new Muon is using the new libqapt.
[04:38] <valorie> I'll have to try to make again; cloning and changing branches worked fine
[04:38] <valorie> maybe my cmake line was wrong, but I asked here and got no answer
[04:38] <valorie> I used cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=DebugFull in the build folder
[04:42] <manchicken> Well I'd need to see what your error is. Also, keep in mind that this is a global team and timezones are very much in place.
[04:42] <valorie> http://pastebin.kde.org/pr2orntvc
[04:42] <manchicken> Have you sent anything to the mailing list?
[04:42] <valorie> oh yes, I know
[04:42] <valorie> I wasn't sure that testing would still be useful
[04:42] <valorie> I did get updates to muon today
[04:43] <valorie> from apt-get
[04:43] <valorie> anyway, had stuff every night this week, so testing time has been a bit short
[04:44] <manchicken> Do you have libqoauth1 and libqoauth-dev installed? I've never built muon, but that is what I would look at with that build error
[04:44] <valorie> I think this is the weekend of the bughunt in Munich? too
[04:44] <valorie> ah, I'll try that
[04:45] <manchicken> It could be.
[04:45] <valorie> I did apt-get install build-essential muon
[04:45] <manchicken> For me, this is the weekend of geocaching in Woodbridge, VA :)
[04:45] <manchicken> Yeah, you are going to be missing a bunch of dev packages.
[04:46] <manchicken> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Distributions/Debian
[04:46] <valorie> build-essential should pull those in, correct?
[04:47] <valorie> I was missing the dev package
[04:47] <valorie> pfff
[04:47] <manchicken> No
[04:48] <manchicken> Build essential only pulls in the essentials
[04:49] <manchicken> Do a show on the package
[04:50] <valorie> like apt-cache show muon?
[04:50] <valorie> or what
[04:51] <valorie> I just pulled in libattica, libbodega, and something else
[04:51] <valorie> libqapt-dev
[04:51] <manchicken> I use aptitude
[04:52] <valorie> hmmm, I got all the bodega packages, but it isn't finding them
[04:52] <valorie> but it does find the other stuff I just pulled in
[04:52] <valorie> odd
[04:52] <valorie> anyway, those are non-essential
[04:53] <valorie> so just sudo make install?
[04:53] <valorie> or make && sudo make install
[04:53] <valorie> I never know which to use
[04:55] <manchicken> They're non-essential for building in general.
[04:55] <manchicken> I wouldn't recommend building source package and installing them along-side binary packages.
[04:56] <manchicken> Especially for things involving package management.
[04:56] <valorie> Riddell said it would just overwrite the binary package
[04:56] <manchicken> I've been doing some work on libqapt, and I'm tellin' ya, it's really easy to screw up your environment that way.
[04:56] <valorie> but that is why I was a bit leery of charging ahead with no guidance
[04:56] <valorie> i build Amarok locally
[04:56] <manchicken> What's your purpose?
[04:57] <manchicken> Are you planning on maintaining the package?
[04:57] <valorie> to test the new branch
[04:57] <valorie> oh hell no
[04:57] <valorie> I don't code
[04:57] <manchicken> I'd be very careful of doing that on your daily driver.
[04:57] <manchicken> You may want to use a virtualbox instance or run things on a test system.
[04:57] <valorie> I haven't hurt my system with the headers I've just installed
[04:58] <manchicken> The hard part about the package management stuff is that you've got so many different hands in the cookie jar that it can become difficult to determine which one broke the jar.
[04:58] <valorie> but i think I'll take your advice and not build the branch package
[04:58] <valorie> indeed
[05:02] <valorie> thanks for your advice, manchicken
[05:15] <manchicken> Sorry, I was doing the dishes.
[05:16] <valorie> np
[05:18] <manchicken> apachelogger: I just thought of something... if I make the change I'm thinking to make, is it going to break other programs?
[05:18] <manchicken> I'm thinking it will...
[05:18] <manchicken> But I'm not sure if the new version of libqapt is going to do that anyway.
[05:18]  * manchicken speaks to apachelogger as though he were actually online...
[05:18] <valorie> manchicken: you can't make omelets without breaking eggs
[05:19] <valorie> but of course you gotta fix all those broken things!
[05:19] <manchicken> valorie: Yes, but in order to make an omelet it is important not to sit on the carton of eggs.
[05:19] <valorie> apachelogger didn't set himself away, therefore he is online
[05:19] <manchicken> apachelogger is always online.
[05:19] <manchicken> He isn't always responsive though :)
[05:19] <valorie> oh, I don't want to think of cleaning up such a mess in the real world
[05:20] <manchicken> Nor do I
[09:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:14] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1249557] kwin crashes on login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1249557 (by Scott Moore)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:16] <soee> good morning
[12:16] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[12:17] <soee> lordievader, hi im pretty good, you ?
[12:17] <lordievader> soee: I'm doing ok.
[13:18] <ovidiu-florin> is muon a KDE project?
[13:23] <debfx> it is hosted on KDE infrastructure so I guess yes
[13:36] <manchicken> Hiya
[15:53] <tester56> hi, I am gettings errors like "/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/drives/LITEONIT_LAT_128M2S_TW01KTD05508517B2925" : property "Drive" does not exist
[15:53] <tester56> when starting applications like dolphin etc.  from konsole
[16:30] <tester56> any idea how to fix this?
[16:33] <mamarley> tester56: I get those too; I don't think it is anything to worry about unless something is actually not working.
[16:34] <tester56> i think it causes a bit of a slowdown
[16:34] <tester56> does not happen on opensuse and dolphin starts faster there :-(
[17:34] <ScottK> tester56: That's probably s udisk issue, not a KDE issue.
[17:38] <tester56> i tested the newer udisk2 in 14.04 ... same issue
[17:39] <tester56> on opensuse and the same version of kde and udisk2 i cannot reproduce the issue
[17:41] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Dunno then.
[20:30] <ScottK> Riddell (and anyone else who cares): Would you please look at what I wrote in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-qt5-versions-in-ubuntu and see if you agree/have other ideas.