[09:17] <snkt> hii
[09:19] <snkt> while configuring printer through firefox on localhost:631/admin .... I am getting "internal server error"
[09:19] <snkt> can anyone help me...
[15:06] <prpplague> infinity: still no response from anyone at canonical
[19:12] <Indiana> hey all, that was probably answered 100+ times before, but however...I am looking for cheap NAS (1x or 2x 3,5" HDD), which would be ARMv7 based (if I understood correctly) to support Ubuntu installation. What are actually my options? Thanks...


[12:03] <gdh> format it with what filesystem? a linux or a windows one?
[12:03] <rexykik> a want a fat32
[12:03] <gdh> why on earth are you asking here ? :)
[12:03] <rexykik> lol because everywhere else is noisy
[12:04] <gdh> well, use cfdisk to make a partition
[12:04] <gdh> then mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdc1
[12:04] <rexykik> when I cfdisk it goes to sda1 instead of the hd
[12:04] <gdh> or whatever your partition is
[12:04] <gdh> then tell it where the disk is :) cfdisk /dev/NAME
[12:05] <rexykik> i'm guessing it would be hdb?
[12:05] <Bizzeh> hey, i removed kubuntu from the end of my drive out of its own partition, im puting it on its own machine
[12:05] <Bizzeh> how do i get grub out of my mbr
[12:05] <Bizzeh> and put the normal windows loader back in
[12:05] <gdh> rexykik: 'dmesg' will tell you where Linux put it
[12:05] <gdh> Bizzeh: boot to an MS-DOS floppy with fdisk.exe on it and run 'fdisk /mbr'
[12:06] <gdh> it won't print anything, but it will clean your MBR
[12:06] <Bizzeh> will a bootable xp cd work?
[12:06] <gdh> No idea, never used XP
[12:07] <rexykik> oh
[12:07] <rexykik> wait a sec
[12:07] <Bizzeh> brb
[12:07] <Bizzeh> i find out
[12:07] <rexykik> i have your answer...let me pull it up
[12:07] <rexykik> oh
[12:07] <rexykik> ok
[12:07] <rexykik> gotta go into the little term thing
[12:08] <Jeezis> is there a utility i can use to control my fan in my laptop?
[12:08] <gdh> Bizzeh http://main.linuxfocus.org/~guido/dos/
[12:08] <rexykik> get a soldering iron and install a rheostat
[12:08] <gdh> use the 6.22 floppy image from there
[12:08] <rexykik> he's gone gdh
[12:08] <gdh> oh yeh :)
[12:09] <rexykik> hdb: max request size: 1024KiB
[12:09] <rexykik> hdb: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(100)
[12:09] <rexykik> hdb: cache flushes supported
[12:09] <rexykik>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: unknown partition table
[12:09] <gdh> perfect. there you go, then :)
[12:09] <rexykik> then in cfdisk : FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. Press any key to exit cfdisk.
[12:10] <gdh> unknown partition table = completely blank disk
[12:10] <gdh> so, cfdisk /dev/hdb
[12:10] <rexykik> cfdisk says: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive. Press any key to exit cfdisk.
[12:11] <gdh> def. 'hdb' rather than hdb1 etc. ?
[12:12] <rexykik> yeah,i did hdb not hdb1
[12:13] <gdh> What does "hdparm /dev/hdb" say?
[12:13] <gdh> the actual content doesn't really matter
[12:13] <gdh> so long as it prints a bunch of info
[12:13] <rexykik> it does
[12:13] <gdh> multcount/IO_support, etc.
[12:13] <rexykik> yeah
[12:13] <rexykik> has all of that
[12:14] <gdh> OK, are you being root when you run cfdisk?
[12:14] <gdh> v. important :)
[12:14] <gdh> it would be Bad for normal users to alter partition tables :)
[12:15] <gdh> type 'whoami' .. if you are anything but root, that's wrong.
[12:15] <rexykik> ehhh thats it
[12:15] <rexykik> lol
[12:15] <rexykik> thx
[12:15] <gdh> hehe :)
[12:15] <rexykik> cough cough <-newb
[12:15] <gdh> no worries :)
[12:16] <rexykik> any idea what the dif between a FAT32 and a FAT32 LBA is?
[12:17] <gdh> LBA = new and shiny
[12:17] <gdh> I'd go for that
[12:17] <rexykik> lol okay
[12:17] <Tm_T> haha
[12:17] <Tm_T> LBA is "very new"
[12:18] <gdh> I'd hope a 160GB falls into that category :)
[12:18] <Tm_T> yes
[12:18] <Tm_T> I think so =)
[12:18] <rexykik> for some reason i feel like i'm at the tail of a ALT+F4 joke.
[12:19] <gdh> hehe, /quit complaining ;)
[12:19] <rexykik> lol
[12:19] <Tm_T> try /disco , you got nice colours
[12:20] <mez> ok, anyone here got flash in forefox working (with proper sound)
[12:20] <rexykik> ehh i do mez
[12:20] <mez> I cnat get sound working
[12:20] <mez> lol
[12:20] <rexykik> well, i've only tested it on homestarrunner
[12:20] <mez> It just gives me like... some hissing
[12:20] <rexykik> sound card configed right?
[12:21] <gdh> mez: Configure Konq -> Plugins -> Plugins -> 'Use artsdsp to pipe plugin sound...' ?
[12:21] <gdh> assuming you're using arts ?
[12:21] <mez> yeah
[12:21] <mez> I'm using firefox though
[12:21] <gdh> Oh, doh :)
[12:22] <gdh> I just installed flashplugin-nonfree and it 'worked' =)
[12:22] <mez> hmm
[12:22] <Tm_T> sleeep ->
[12:22] <rexykik> what does this mean hdb: max request size: 1024KiB
[12:22] <rexykik> hdb: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(100)
[12:22] <rexykik> hdb: cache flushes supported
[12:22] <rexykik>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: unknown partition table
[12:22] <rexykik> ?
[12:22] <gdh> Tm_T wins :)
[12:22] <rexykik> ack
[12:22] <rexykik> didnt copy right
[12:22] <rexykik> Could not mount device.
[12:22] <rexykik> The reported error was:
[12:22] <rexykik> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:22] <gdh> rexykik: It means your hard disk is blank
[12:23] <gdh> rexykik: You need to reboot to reload the partition table
[12:23] <rexykik> ook
[12:23] <rexykik> danke
[12:23] <gdh> then you will be able to 'mkfs.vfat'
[12:23] <gdh> cfdisk probably told you that.. :)
[12:23] <rexykik> i partitioned it...do i need to make a filesystem?
[12:23] <rexykik> nopers didnt
[12:23] <gdh> ah, k
[12:23] <mez> I have flashplaye-mozilla flashplugin-nonfree libflash0 libflash-mozplugin and libflash-swfplayer
[12:24] <gdh> mez: it's probably got very confused and used the Free Software 'libflash', which is shit :)
[12:24] <gdh> remove libflash0
[12:24] <gdh> it'll remove the other bits via dependencies
[12:24] <rexykik> time to reboot, see you in the future
[12:26] <mez> gdh, works now, thanks
[12:26] <mez> acutally
[12:26] <mez> th sound is out of sync
[12:26] <gdh> cool :) If I keep going at this rate, I'll hace enough kudos points to win a fish :)
[12:27] <mez> ??
[12:28] <mez> my flash is running REALLY fast
[12:29] <gdh> No ideas :) amd64 or something?
[12:29] <othernoob> is there a mathematica-equivalent for linux ?
[12:30] <KaiL> more than enough ;)
[12:30] <othernoob> such as ?
[12:30] <KaiL> mupad
[12:30] <gdh> I am so happy I never have the need for software like that :)
[12:31] <KaiL> but be warned: if you talk to a fan of one of this tools, for them the other tools are always crap ;)
[12:31] <othernoob> KaiL do you know something a bit more opensource and gpled maybe ?
[12:32] <Curalton> isn't mathematica also available for linux/x86?
[12:32] <Curalton> ah, free alternative
[12:32] <KaiL> othernoob: afaik mupad has at least a freeware version
[12:32] <Curalton> scilab very possibly
[12:32] <KaiL> that's much more than for mathematica ;)
[12:32] <othernoob> KaiL for teachers and students and bla.. i cant be arsed to send them my student info ;)
[12:33] <crimmy> can't you just export your session from a UNIX box running mathematica?
[12:33] <crimmy> that's what I recommend to my students
[12:34] <rexykik> oook back
[12:34] <rexykik> Could not mount device.
[12:34] <rexykik> The reported error was:
[12:34] <rexykik> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:34] <othernoob> heh.. i dont know a unix pc running mathematica which i could use
[12:35] <gdh> TightVNC for Windows?
[12:35] <gdh> multiple vncviewers connecting in 'watch only' mode?
[12:35] <rexykik> $ mkfs vfat /dev/hdb
[12:35] <rexykik> mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count - /dev/hdb
[12:35] <crimmy> othernoob: not even from the math dept?
[12:35] <gdh> rexykik: No, mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdb1
[12:36] <gdh> note the dot between mkfs and vfat.
[12:36] <gdh> you need to specify FAT32 with -F 32
[12:36] <gdh> and /dev/hdb1 as the first partition... /dev/hdb is the whole raw disk.
[12:36] <rexykik> $ mkfs vfat /dev/hdb
[12:36] <rexykik> mkfs.ext2: bad blocks count - /dev/hdb
[12:36] <othernoob> crimmy: i havent had much to with the math dept yet.. i just have 4 math courses and i'm hardly ever there..just do my papers, hand em in, and am gone ;)
[12:36] <othernoob> +do *
[12:37] <rexykik> ack
[12:37] <rexykik> copy doesnt work well in term
[12:37] <rexykik> not used to no keybinding
[12:37] <rexykik> bash: mkfs.: command not found
[12:37] <rexykik> should it be mkfs[space] .[space] vfat?
[12:37] <othernoob> god i hate summer..now there's an annoying spider in my room :/
[12:37] <gdh> rexykik: come on, work with me here :)
[12:37] <gdh> no spaces
[12:38] <rexykik> ahh...that'd do it. maybe i should modify my font so its somewhat readable
[12:38] <gdh> =)
[12:38] <gdh> Courier is king.. or at least Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
[12:38] <rexykik> now do i mount it or reboot again, or...?
[12:38] <gdh> you'll be able to mount it now
[12:39] <rexykik> mount /dev/hdb1
[12:39] <rexykik> mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:40] <othernoob> isnt it sudo mount -a ... ?
[12:40] <gdh> rexykik: where do you want to mount it ?
[12:40] <rexykik> /mnt/hdb1
[12:40] <gdh> and does /mnt/hdb1 exist as an empty directory?
[12:41] <rexykik> yup
[12:41] <mrmanic> how do I reconfigure xorg to stop using fglrx?
[12:41] <gdh> have you added a relevant line to /etc/fstab ?
[12:41] <rexykik> not sure what that means.
[12:41] <rexykik> fixed it
[12:41] <Bicchi> i installed a program with synaptic and i can not find it in the menu but i can run it from the shell. how can i search for in the menu. like how can i tell its in the k menu
[12:41] <gdh> mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb1
[12:41] <gdh> heh :)
[12:42] <rexykik> ehh use the search for files thing
[12:42] <rexykik> find the file
[12:42] <rexykik> then rightclick the bar and goto configure panal
[12:42] <rexykik> panel
[12:42] <rexykik> and then on tabs goto kmenu
[12:42] <rexykik> edit it
[12:43] <rexykik> and put it where you want it in the kmenu tree
[12:43] <rexykik> (the tab you click it called menus)
[12:43] <Bicchi> but my question is: i am not sure if it installed in the first place. does everything i installed from synaptic gets a place in the k menu.
[12:43] <rexykik> no
[12:44] <Bicchi> how can i tell?
[12:44] <Bicchi> besides searching all those menus
[12:44] <rexykik> if you can run it from console then it is installed
[12:44] <Bicchi> i can, but like i said how can i tell if its located in the "k menu"
[12:44] <rexykik> eh...look throught the kmenu?
[12:44] <rexykik> though*
[12:45] <Curalton> Bicchi: if its not there you can start kmenuedit and put it in the menu manually
[12:45] <Curalton> hmm, kmenuedit really needs a search function for such cases
[12:46] <rexykik> yup
[12:46] <gdh> Be grateful there's KMenuEdit at all.. the poor GNOME weenies have no menu editor at all
[12:46] <rexykik> lo9l
[12:46] <rexykik> lol*
[12:46] <Curalton> Bicchi: if its from the multiverse part it might not adhere to the ubuntuguidlines and not have a menuentry
[12:46] <Curalton> gdh: hah :)
[12:46] <gdh> Ubuntu chose GNOME 2.10... which uses the freedesktop.org XML standard
[12:46] <Bicchi> Curalton: i installed nedit. can you tell me ?
[12:46] <gdh> ... alas, nobody had the foresight to write a menu editor for it ....
[12:46] <othernoob> okay, just cause im curious, what happens when a spider runs around inside of my pc ?
[12:47] <Curalton> Bicchi: type apt-cache policy nedit and it shows from what source it came
[12:47] <Bicchi> Curalton: universe
[12:47] <gdh> othernoob: If it gets caught in the CPU fan, it could be quite entertaining :))
[12:47] <gdh> take video
[12:47] <Bicchi> Curalton: does that mean that since it was from universe it does not create a entry in k menu
[12:48] <Curalton> Bicchi: yes, quite possible
[12:48] <othernoob> gdh: heh, lol, but it can't damage anything or can it ?
[12:48] <gdh> othernoob: who knows if spider legs are electrically conductive
[12:48] <Bicchi> Curalton: that explains it. i just wish that k menu would hightlight recent installed programs just like windows does. i mean my menu are huge from all the junk i have installed.
[12:48] <gdh> hey, now /there's/ an experiment.
[12:48] <Bicchi> Curalton: but i can live without windows. :)
[12:48] <Curalton> Bicchi: dpkg -L nedid shows all the files that nedit installs
[12:49] <othernoob> gdh: i'll let you play with those ugly creatures ;)
[12:49] <Curalton> Bicchi: the idea is that ubunutu installs everything a user needs an thats it (email, web, office user that is)
[12:49] <gdh> othernoob: sure beats some ants, the sun, and a magnifying glass ;)
[12:50] <Curalton> Bicchi: about the missing search function you could file a Wishlist bug at bugs.kde.org
[12:50] <othernoob> lol
[12:50] <Bicchi> Curalton: good idea
[12:50] <Bicchi> Curalton: thanks
[12:50] <Curalton> Bicchi: or if you know C++ hack it in yourself ;)
[12:50] <othernoob> anyway, im off, killing a spider :) night
[12:50] <Bicchi> Curalton: no time. but the will submit a wishlist bug
[12:50] <rexykik> is there anyway to start konquerer with root privs?
[12:51] <gdh> or, a 'find' commandline with /usr/share/<something> would do it
[12:51] <Curalton> rexykik: ick!
[12:51] <mrmanic> man
[12:51] <rexykik> ick?
[12:51] <gdh> rexykik: 'sudo konqueror'  ?
[12:51] <mrmanic> how do I reconfigure xorg to stop using fglrx?  <-- anyone know the answer to that?
[12:51] <rexykik> nope
[12:51] <Curalton> rexykik: as in "why run stuff as root, its baaad"
[12:51] <gdh> mrmanic: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:51] <Curalton> gdh: doesnt set X-rights
[12:51] <gdh> change the 'Driver fglrx' to whatever you want...?
[12:51] <rexykik> because i wanna drag'n'drop one hard drive to the other
[12:52] <gdh> Curalton: No idea what that means.
[12:52] <rexykik> copy over all the files
[12:52] <Curalton> gdh: "cant open display" error
[12:52] <Curalton> rexykik: err, i think that wont work
[12:52] <rexykik> well, i mean file folders from one into the other
[12:52] <Curalton> rexykik: the media:/ konqueror representations are usually read only
[12:52] <gdh> rexykik: unmount your fat32, then remount it with "-o 1000"
[12:53] <gdh> rexykik: that will make it r/w for your normal user account
[12:53] <gdh> gah
[12:53] <gdh> "-o uid=1000"
[12:53] <Curalton> -o uid=
[12:53] <Curalton> yeh
[12:53] <gdh> man mount for more info
[12:54] <mrmanic> gdh: I'll try your way, brb
[12:55] <gdh> any way that doesn't involve running a file manager as root has to be better...
[12:55] <Curalton> heh :>
[12:58] <mrmanic> well, that definitely didn't work
[12:59] <mrmanic> the mouse and fonts were all hosed when I switched to the ATI driver
[12:59] <mrmanic> gdh: any other ideas?
[12:59] <gdh> what about the 'vesa' driver as a real panic fallback?
[01:00] <mrmanic> I'll try it, thx
[01:00] <gdh> My own system is a p3-650 with a matrox mystique PCI ... I know nothign about modern cards / 3D accel...
[01:01] <sbcl3> is it possible to change that image that is seen as a left-strip on the main applications menu? by default its kubuntu's logo
[01:02] <Riddell> sbcl3: sounds like a good image to have there
[01:02] <sbcl3> riddell: but can it be changed?
[01:02] <Riddell> sbcl3: what would you wish to change it to?
[01:03] <gdh> it can... read the popup help in the KDE Panel configuration
[01:03] <sbcl3> riddell: probably just xxxxxxxxxxxx theme's color
[01:03] <gdh> control centre -> desktop -> panels -> menus -> 'Show side image'
[01:03] <sbcl3> gdh: thanks
[01:04] <Riddell> sbcl3: it should change colour along with the theme
[01:04] <Riddell> sbcl3: the image itself is specified in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-theme/../kickerrc
[01:04] <Riddell> and you can overload it in ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc
[01:12] <mrmanic> hmm
[01:12] <mrmanic> well, that sort of worked
[01:13] <mrmanic> I have fonts, though it's rather painful
[01:13] <mrmanic> isn't there some way to dpkg-reconfigure or something?
[01:15] <Riddell> mrmanic: fonts:/
[01:24] <sbcl3> similarly, without replacing an image located in some directory, can you change the "K" logo in the bottom-left corner you click on to access apps?
[01:32] <gdh> sbcl3: No.
[01:33] <gdh> I expect it would be changable using a different theme / iconset...
[01:33] <gdh> so you'd either need to create your own or amend an existing one
[02:04] <_paul> anybody knowhow to enable root login on post in kubuntu?
[02:05] <gdh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:22] <sbcl3> what is one large factor that makes KDE better than GNOME in your opinion?
[03:22] <gdh> choice
[03:23] <gdh> GNOME feels claustrophobic, everything has been pre-selected as 'the best' for you. I'm capable of making my own decisions, thanks.
[03:24] <jeramy> Well, there's a few simple things that are missing, like easy adding to menus.
[03:25] <jeramy> GNOME 2.10 is slower and more memory-consuming on my laptop.
[03:25] <sbcl3> yeah; i noticed that when i used "ubuntu" instead of "kubuntu [live, i'll be installing it soon]
[03:25] <sbcl3> on GNOME there just doesn't seem to be a menu editor
[03:25] <sbcl3> and the menus take up so much more space; so much that living with one panel is dreadful
[03:26] <jeramy> I used GNOME since Warty beta, and just switched to Kubuntu last week.  I'm lovin' it.
[03:26] <sbcl3> though one thing i find very annoying with KDE over gnome
[03:26] <sbcl3> WHY DOES EVERY APP HAVE TO START WITH K???????
[03:26] <gdh> It doesn't :)
[03:26] <sbcl3> or 95% of them, anyways
[03:26] <gdh> Just it's easier to coin names around K than G...
[03:26] <jeramy> I couldn't get GNOME to build for the life of me from CVS.  I'm running KDE SVN right now.  ;)
[03:26] <gdh> since you have 'C' to play with.. Kontact, Kompose, etc.
[03:27] <sbcl3> but things like "KPilot"...???
[03:27] <jeramy> Gaim, Galeon, Synaptic, oh wait...
[03:27] <gdh> Yeh, that's just unoriginality :)
[03:27] <sbcl3> I suppose the names can be changed
[03:27] <gdh> to protect the innocent, of course.
[03:28] <sbcl3> and isn't KDE much more mature/developed? After all, 70% of the people with Desktop Environments use it...
[03:28] <sbcl3> oh yeah...the other thing that makes KDE superior...Konqueror...
[03:28] <gdh> no idea, can't comment on that.
[03:28] <gdh> Certainly I'm the only KDE fan in my circle of geeks :)
[03:28] <jeramy> Oh, man, I hated Konqueror until KDE 3.4.  Now it's awesome.
[03:29] <sbcl3> I hated KDE until 3.4 period ^_^
[03:29] <gdh> what's made 3.4 the quantum leap?
[03:29] <sbcl3> I don't know
[03:29] <gdh> I haven't noticed much difference...
[03:29] <sbcl3> but when I used 3.2 on mandrake, the graphics compared to Kubuntu's were awful
[03:29] <sbcl3> maybe that's why
[03:29] <sbcl3> that and Mandrake came with an awful preloaded theme
[03:30] <gdh> Well it's hardly KDE's fault if MDK had no graphical taste :)
[03:30] <jeramy> Ugh, the default on Mandrake was awful.  So was the default window decoration.  I'm so glad they switched to Plastik.
[03:31] <sbcl3> I think I like Keramik better though
[03:31] <sbcl3> I'll miss some applications when I switch to KDE though
[03:32] <sbcl3> Does anyone know a program much like Imendio's Planner?
[03:32] <sbcl3> (for KDE)
[03:32] <jeramy> Um, what?
[03:33] <gdh> Heh, none :)
[03:33] <sbcl3> none?!?
[03:33] <gdh> GNOME thing.. used to be called 'Mr. Project'
[03:33] <gdh> shameless MS Project clone
[03:33] <sbcl3> it was awesome though
[03:33] <sbcl3> KDE needs something like that
[03:33] <sbcl3> was the original GanttProject specific to gnome?
[03:34] <jeramy> btw, you can still run it.  Just apt-get gtk2-engines-qtk-qt and go to KDE control center to make your GNOME apps not have crappy fonts.
 I'm a sysadmin not an IT manager :)
[03:34] <gdh> I don't 'do' project management.
[03:34] <sbcl3> i use it for odd miscellaneous things; and i can't even get a job yet
[03:35] <sbcl3> http://ganttproject.sourceforge.net/index.php
[03:35] <sbcl3> it appears that this isn't specific to gnome :)
[03:37] <gdh> interesting...
[03:39] <sbcl3> I'll also miss Abiword; the best word processor on the planet
[03:40] <gdh> heh, yes openoffice is equally as dreadful on KDE or GNOME :)
[03:40] <gdh> Bloat that makes MS blush..
[03:40] <sbcl3> why does KDE accept that pile of crap [ooo] ?
[03:41] <gdh> .. it's big  + slow, but it's very complete :)
[03:42] <sbcl3> i wish KDE would actually make efforts to port abi over to KDE :(
[03:42] <gdh> Well, they have KOffice which is making good ground
[03:42] <sbcl3> yes
[03:43] <sbcl3> looks like its not :)
[03:43] <gdh> there's nothing to stop you from keeping the gtk / gnome libs on disk
[03:43] <sbcl3> and then if it is there's always KDevelop :)
[03:43] <sbcl3> but they won't accept the KDE theme or have that integration
 If I was that concerned over looks I'd buy a Mac.
[03:44] <sbcl3> OS X sucks, IMO
or, you could just steal their theme...theres got to be a few at kde-look ^_^
[03:52] <sbcl3> does anyone know any neat calendar apps for KDE (other than the one packed in with the clock)?
[03:53] <gdh> Er, Kontact? :)
[03:57] <sbcl3> is Koffice a package able to be installed or just the crude name of a bunch of office apps that were built for KDE?
[03:58] <gdh> it's the name of the suite
[03:58] <gdh> 'koffice' is a metapackage
[03:58] <gdh> try the 1.4 beta    deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/koffice-1.4-beta1/kubuntu ./
[04:00] <sbcl3> all of the smaller stuff is probably either installed or in the repositories already
[04:00] <sbcl3> but i'll write it down ;)
[04:03] <gdh> nn
[04:38] <delltony> question is there any kinda command i can issue in the shell to kinda refresh this pc if you will. for some reason after a while of usuage its like the harddrive is just draggin i go to watch movies and all and they skip cause the pc is lagged big time. i ran a ps -aux to try and find the problem but i can't see anything out of the ordinary
[04:38] <delltony> your help would be appreciated
[04:39] <Curalton> try running top
[04:39] <Curalton> by default it sorts after cpu usage, press shift m to sort afte memory usage
[04:39] <Curalton> maybe you find a out-of-bounds process
[04:40] <Curalton> also maybe check syslog or messages in /var/log
[04:40] <delltony> ok
[04:40] <delltony> question the out of bounds process would be indicated how?
[04:40] <Curalton> memory/cpu usage
[04:41] <Curalton> not that 100% mem usage is normal in linux because its all used for caching, check for single processes
[04:41] <delltony> look at %mem right?
[04:42] <delltony> sorry for the noob questions just not on top of top like i should be
[04:45] <Curalton> yes, %age
[04:46] <Curalton> atm my most memory using proc is   443 thomas    15   0  132m  48m  20m S  0.0  6.3   0:37.66 mozilla-bin
[04:46] <hswales> can someone tell me what the proggie is in kubuntu to check and see what it has my video card set to cuz its doing wierd things like my monitor goin blank and then when i hit my monitor menu saying out of range
[04:47] <delltony> gaim is using 25.1
[04:50] <delltony> looks like firefox-bin was the issue
[04:50] <Curalton> memory leak
[04:58] <delltony> Curalton, yeah i believe your right it seems to happen alot when i use alot of tabs in firefox more and more i think about it
[05:00] <Curalton> how much ram does your system have?
[05:01] <Curalton> ls -lh /proc/kcore can tell you
[05:18] <delltony> 512 on the lappy
[05:19] <delltony> i can up it just haven't got around to it yet
[05:25] <Curalton> delltony: err, 512 is enough, dont worry.
[05:36] <paul_> BOOO! dial up is blah.
[07:41] <danikata> hello how to change ip address in kubuntu ?
[07:43] <mrmanic> danikata: I don't think it's any different from regular debian.
[07:43] <mrmanic> danikata: are you using dhcp?
[07:50] <danikata> no
[07:50] <danikata> im using static ip
[07:51] <mrmanic> so add the address and the route as you would normally
[07:51] <mrmanic> I _think_ that's how you do it.
[07:51] <danikata> in debian i can change ip address by dpkg-reconfigure etherconf
[07:53] <mrmanic> danikata: etherconf is available in kubuntu
[07:53] <mrmanic> you can probably do the same thing.
[07:54] <mrmanic> you might have to apt-get install etherconf first, though.
[07:55] <phxguy> Anyone care to help me out with my network config.. trying to set a static IP
[07:55] <mrmanic> !
[07:56] <mrmanic> phxguy: if what I've been talking to danikata about is correct, you can sudo apt-get install etherconf
[07:56] <mrmanic> and then dpkg-reconfigure etherconf when you want to change it.
[08:07] <danikata> oke
[08:07] <danikata> thank u
[08:08] <mrmanic> np
[08:22] <Lestat_> wenaz
[08:22] <Lestat_> how could i disable the automount and autorun in kubuntu desktop..
[08:23] <mrmanic> no idea
[08:23] <Lestat_> well i dont like that..
[08:24] <Lestat_> i preffer.. to do it like in the old school... mount /dev/gfg /media/fdsf
[08:34] <mrmanic> Lestat_: pretty sure you can still manually mount stuff
[08:34] <mrmanic> Lestat_: it's just a pain is all.
[08:34] <Lestat_> yeah.. but i hate it,,
[08:34] <_luke> why would you want to?
[08:35] <mrmanic> _luke: to customize your mount settings on each mount.
[08:35] <_luke> oo0o
[08:35] <mrmanic> _luke: sometimes you may only want to mount ro, and sometimes rw
[08:35] <mrmanic> there are other reasons
[08:35] <mrmanic> one big one I can think of is that that's what you're used to.
[08:36] <mrmanic> I definitely prefer the media:/ kioslave and the automounting capabilities of it.
[08:39] <Choubaka> hmm :)
[08:40] <Choubaka> kioslaves sound interesting.
[08:41] <mrmanic> kioslaves ARE interesting
[08:41] <Choubaka> I'm not using KDE for a number of reasons, but I admit it has a lot of interesting features.
[08:41] <mrmanic> kioslaves are one of the  most awesome things about kde
[08:42] <mrmanic> kparts, kioslaves, servicemenus
[08:42] <mrmanic> there's more
[08:42] <mrmanic> but those are a start for things that get me all hot and bothered using kde
[08:43] <Choubaka> You wish something like kioslaves were DE-independent.
[08:43] <Choubaka> I'm using XFCE, and I love it. But still.
[08:44] <mrmanic> yeah
[08:44] <mrmanic> honestly, I kind of wish that kioslaves would get pushed over to fd.o and standardized
[08:44] <mrmanic> but I am not sure they could be.
[08:44] <Choubaka> There was some fuse module which allowed mounting kioslaves :P
[08:45] <mrmanic> fuse module?
[08:45] <Choubaka> A userland filesystem.
[08:45] <mrmanic> ah
[08:45] <mrmanic> neat
[08:45] <Choubaka> but it didn't work very well. every time I mounted something, an ugly QT window popped up to do something, and usually it failed :|
[08:46] <mrmanic> :\
[08:47] <mrmanic> open source: the RPG
[08:47] <mrmanic> 2 character classes
[08:47] <mrmanic> programmer
[08:47] <mrmanic> beta tester
[08:47] <mrmanic> if you're not one, you're DEFINITELY the other
[08:47] <Choubaka> :P
[08:48] <Choubaka> I don't like the implications of that statement.
[08:48] <mrmanic> you think it's inaccurate?
[08:49] <mrmanic> I think it's inaccurate and an oversimplification of the issue.
[08:51] <mrmanic> I feel, though, that there has been a lot more open beta testing in general, what with friendster beta and msn beta and yahoo messenger beta and google groups beta and a variety of other web services which are used by thousands of people on a daily basis and are betas.
[08:53] <Choubaka> maybe they're only labeled beta because beta has become a buzzword
[08:55] <Choubaka> even though it's saying the application is not necessarily of high quality, some people like new and cool things. and beta screams "new"... also, if a product is titled "beta", the user expects it to have bugs, and more easily ignores them when he encounters one, thinking: "Oh well, It's beta"
[08:56] <Choubaka> Even the GMail logo still says beta even though it works marvellously well. :)
[08:58] <Choubaka> ... gmail, not the logo :P
[08:58] <mrmanic> yeah
[08:59] <mrmanic> I feel as though that works great for joe consumer
[08:59] <mrmanic> but is counterproductive in the workplace
[08:59] <mrmanic> where people need stability
[08:59] <mrmanic> I guess that's always a tradeoff, though.
[08:59] <Choubaka> By this logic, all Microsoft's products should be either alpha (home edition) or beta (pro edition).
[09:00] <mrmanic> haha
[09:00] <mrmanic> windows server 2003 is a pretty nice OS, IMO
[09:00] <Choubaka> Haven't used it.
[09:01] <mrmanic> it's quite stable
[09:01] <Choubaka> Nothing is stable on my machine.
[09:01] <mrmanic> heh
[09:01] <mrmanic> I think I know the feeling
[09:01] <mrmanic> No OS runs correctly on one of my boxen
[09:01] <Choubaka> even Linux locks up every other day.
[09:01] <mrmanic> b/c for some reason the ide controller writes stuff wrong or only partially
[09:01] <Choubaka> I think I have a broken CPU or GPU
[09:02] <mrmanic> that sucks
[09:02] <Choubaka> Yeah
[09:02] <Choubaka> Though I will be getting a lot of money soonish
[09:02] <mrmanic> nice.
[09:03] <Choubaka> I might get enough to buy an apple computer. If I do, I will buy one.
[09:03] <mrmanic> nice
[09:03] <mrmanic> I'm pretty happy with mine
[09:03] <mrmanic> a mac mini
[09:03] <mrmanic> I run it headless
[09:03] <Choubaka> heh.
[09:03] <Choubaka> I thought O
[09:03] <Choubaka> I'd get an iBook
[09:04] <mrmanic> I need to get a gHead adapter, though, so I can max out the resolution on it, b/c my laptop can do 1920x1200
[09:04] <mrmanic> my mom had an ibook
[09:04] <mrmanic> it's a nice little machine.
[09:04] <mrmanic> she upgraded when it died
[09:04] <mrmanic> to a 12" powerbook
[09:04] <mrmanic> now THAT is a sexy beast of a machine
[09:04] <Choubaka> :D
[09:05] <Tezkah> 12" averatec!
[09:05] <Tezkah> wheeeee
[09:05] <Tezkah> sexy, yet under $1000
[09:06] <Choubaka> And PC hardware.
[09:06] <Choubaka> And comes with windows, I bet. :)
[09:07] <mrmanic> oh man
[09:07] <Choubaka> I have resolved to never pay for windows ever again.
[09:07] <Choubaka> not even OEM
[09:07] <mrmanic> that C3500 looks like a nice machine, though.
[09:07] <mrmanic> but yeah
[09:08] <mrmanic> of course
[09:08] <mrmanic> comes with xp home preinstalled
[09:08] <mrmanic> my boss loves MS
[09:08] <Choubaka> Yeah -_-
[09:08] <Choubaka> The only laptops I can ever buy are macs.
[09:08] <mrmanic> not true
[09:08] <Choubaka> Because every other comes with Windows
[09:08] <mrmanic> you could get a crappy walmart laptop with linspire on it
[09:08] <Choubaka> mrmanic: Well, it is in Finland I believe.
[09:09] <mrmanic> oh
[09:09] <mrmanic> :)
[09:09] <Choubaka> Not any linux-laptop sellers as far as I'm aware of them.
[09:09] <mrmanic> I see
[09:10] <Choubaka> And Linspire is kind of like windows :< running root.
[09:10] <mrmanic> I heard pretty good things about linspire 5, actually.
[09:11] <mrmanic> as a pretty OS that you can really use.
[09:11] <Choubaka> But you run as root by default :/
[09:11] <SlicerDicer-> actually Choubaka your wrong microsoft is required to refund you money for a OS you dont use in their EULA
[09:11] <mrmanic> that is lame.
[09:11] <Choubaka> SlicerDicer-: Well, I'd have to take it to court :P
[09:11] <SlicerDicer-> not really
[09:15] <mrmanic> man
[09:15] <mrmanic> I wish more laptops had the wuxga screen size
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> wuxga?
[09:15] <mrmanic> yeah
[09:15] <mrmanic> 1920x1200
[09:15] <mrmanic> 15.4" diagonal
[09:15] <SlicerDicer-> errrm
[09:15] <mrmanic> or 17" diagonal
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> well my problem is I cant get one like that at 17" with a damn AMD cpu
[09:16] <SlicerDicer-> pisses me off so bad I could throw the damn intel laptop through there front windows
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> Alienware said they would be doing it Q1 05... what a buncha lieing bastards
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> I still have the emails I shot back and forth with them too
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> and now they refuse to talk to me
[09:17] <SlicerDicer-> nice eh?
[09:17] <mrmanic> that's pretty interesting.
[09:17] <mrmanic> you're right about not being able to get that res
[09:17] <mrmanic> I wonder why
[09:18] <SlicerDicer-> I dont know
[09:18] <SlicerDicer-> thats why I dont own a laptop though
[09:18] <SlicerDicer-> http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/myrigs.jpg I like candy :) thats just my main 2 hehe
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> yeah the thing that is pretty terrible is back when I emailed Alienware was just shortly after they did the desktops
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> to AMD rather
[09:20] <SlicerDicer-> I said well I really want to get a AMD64 laptop with widescreen and they awed me by talking about how other people had requested it and not just a small number
[09:21] <mrmanic> heh.
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> then they started to tell me about the AMD line of laptops that were going to hit on Q1 05 and put me on a mailing list for when they arrived and well never did
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> now its obviously Q2
[09:21] <mrmanic> yeh
[09:21] <mrmanic> wonder if they've been pushed back or just cancelled
[09:21] <SlicerDicer-> you know they could have emailed me and said sorry due to problems with the graphics card and heat with cpu combined we have had to push it back
[09:21] <mrmanic> ok.  bedtime, methinks
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> btw thats what they said the problem was heat....
[09:22] <mrmanic> no surprise there
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> otherwise it would be done already :/
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> so they just ignore me now it sucks
[09:22] <mrmanic> that's why there aren't any g5 laptops too
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> yeah....
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> but that Intel is no cool cpu either
[09:22] <mrmanic> heat is a huge issue on laptops
[09:22] <mrmanic> the gpu is the problem on my laptop
[09:22] <SlicerDicer-> gpus run stupidly hot
[09:23] <mrmanic> when I used to play UT2k4, my screen would freeze and the computer would reboot itself after 10 mins or so
[09:23] <mrmanic> of course, I didn't have A/C
[09:23] <SlicerDicer-> and the thing thats really terrible
[09:23] <SlicerDicer-> is I really wanted the gfx card alienware offered
[09:23] <SlicerDicer-> I dont want a craptastic ATI that most others offer
[09:24] <mrmanic> I like ATI
[09:24] <SlicerDicer-> I hate them with a passion
[09:24] <mrmanic> well
[09:24] <mrmanic> on windows I've had nothing but good experiences with ATI(except for the reboot thing)
[09:24] <mrmanic> on linux is another story altogether
[09:24] <mrmanic> :\
[09:25] <mrmanic> that fglrx driver has no acpi support
[09:25] <mrmanic> which makes it pretty useless for my needs
[09:25] <mrmanic> laptop users get screwed
[09:26] <SlicerDicer-> yeah I dont use windows though
[09:30] <mrmanic> me either, except for gaming, and that's only cause my brother in law has a video editing system set up which is awesome for gaming.
[09:31] <mrmanic> ok
[09:31] <mrmanic> afk sleeping
[10:15] <JohnFights> anyone know how to fix the menus and stuff in kde they look small compared to when i am in gnome
[10:15] <JohnFights> ooops the menus in firefox
[10:16] <nate__> you should try it
[10:16] <nate__> sorry, off topic
[10:17] <JohnFights> i have it :) its nice just trying to set up kde also
[10:20] <nate__> yeah, i went through that
[10:20] <nate__> i pimped out gnome, and kde
[10:20] <nate__> but both seem bloated
[10:20] <nate__> and slow
[10:20] <nate__> xfce is still bloated, by fluxbox/openbox standards, but its light enough for me
[11:48] <goo> Hello. Are there any repositorys for the latest KDE development versions?
[11:57] <goo> Riddell: could you please give me a hint with kdesv-build? It only says "The build system doesn't exist for XXX." and exits. How do I get it do get the build system for me?
[12:07] <Riddell> goo: I've never used that script, maybe you need to install g++ or kdelibs4-dev
[12:08] <goo> Riddell: ...or just stop believing that Ubuntu installs subversion by itself.. *blush*
[12:08] <Riddell> that too :)
[12:08] <Riddell> still, it should have a better error message
[12:10] <goo> Riddell: It helped looking in the log :)
[12:10] <goo> but now, lunch
[12:23] <ZooZoo> Hello :)
[12:37] <Tm_T> nope, not yet :p
[12:46] <ZooZoo> ?
[01:29] <mez> hmm
[01:30] <mez> mez@apathy:~$ artsdsp audacity
[01:30] <mez> Segmentation fault
[02:19] <Mez> hmm
[02:19] <Mez> my konqueror keeps SIGSEGV'ing
[03:23] <chx> Hi
[03:23] <chx> I got a TFT monitor. The default white on black skin for KDE scorches my eye
[03:23] <chx> I have tried various greys as background
[03:23] <chx> but theming is a difficult task
[04:09] <NothingButYou> Hello all
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> hi after a battery down shutdown , my Xorg doesn t start at boot
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> im on hoary
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> here is the end of the log
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> Warning: font renderer for ".pmf" already registered at priority 0
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> SetClientVersion: 0 8
[04:18] <freeflying> hi how to install kubuntu
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> can someone help me ?
[04:18] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> freeflying: download the last iso, burn it
[04:18] <freeflying> there are some packages that can not be installed
[04:19] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> can not ?
[04:19] <freeflying> i 'm runing  ubuntu now
[04:19] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> which one packet ?
[04:19] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> isntall kde-base
[04:19] <freeflying> when I apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:19] <freeflying> such as k3b armrock
[04:20] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> the systel give you a message ?
[04:20] <freeflying>   kubuntu-desktop: : amarok
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : k3b
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : kaffeine
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : kdegraphics
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : konserve
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : konversation
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : kscreensaver
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : kynaptic
[04:20] <freeflying>                    : openoffice.org2-kde
[04:21] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> woot 8 ) i can"t read that
[04:21] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ^^
[04:21] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> fr like french
[04:21] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ^^
[04:21] <KaiL> bug that looks like breezy
[04:21] <KaiL> and breezy is unstable
[04:21] <freeflying> no I speak chinese
[04:21] <KaiL> and now you know, why it's unstable :)
[04:22] <KaiL> freeflying: then I should see chinese characters, not just boxes...
[04:22] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> kail : cause you are not in utf8
[04:22] <freeflying> but I can see what I have post here
[04:22] <freeflying> I use utf8
[04:22] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> /charset utf8
[04:22] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i see his chinese
[04:22] <KaiL> ToutPT|ppc|fr: I am.
[04:23] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> symbol
[04:23] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> :p
[04:23] <freeflying> how can I install kubuntu without those packages
[04:23] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> try to find the package
[04:23] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> kde-base
[04:24] <KaiL> kde-core ;)
[04:24] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> sorry i m come from the world of mandrake
[04:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> KaiL: do you know why my X doesnot start anymore ?
[04:25] <KaiL> also breezy?
[04:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> not
[04:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> hoary
[04:25] <KaiL> that's bad...
[04:25] <freeflying> you may read your log
[04:25] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i have read them
[04:25] <KaiL> yes, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:25] <KaiL> look for lines with (EE)
[04:26] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> this is what i have copy/coll there ^^
[04:26] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) RADEON(0): MergedFB does not work with Option UseFBDev, MergedFB mode is disabled
[04:26] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[04:26] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[04:26] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[04:27] <Einhoernchen> yo guys.. is there a problem with konqueror .. cause i can't delete the browser history
[04:27] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> but if i m login on the console and then tape $startx , my kde boot
[04:27] <KaiL> ToutPT|ppc|fr: hmm
[04:28] <KaiL> try "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[04:28] <KaiL> looks like kdm doesn't want to start
[04:28] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ok
[04:28] <freeflying> just rm -rf .kde
[04:28] <KaiL> freeflying: nonsence.
[04:28] <NothingButYou> I see chinese :)
[04:28] <uniq> freeflying: do you have the universe sources enabled?
[04:28] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i have lots of things that i don't want to loose in my .kde
[04:28] <freeflying> yeah
[04:29] <freeflying> shall i comment the unverse source
[04:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> toutpt@ToutPTppc:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[04:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> Password:
[04:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr>  * Stopping K Display Manager...                                         [ ok ]
[04:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr>  * Starting K Display Manager...                                         [ ok ]
[04:29] <uniq> freeflying: tripplecheck http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and try again.. maybe apt-get update fixes it for you.
[04:29] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and now ?
[04:29] <uniq> anyway.. dinner. lkater.
[04:29] <KaiL> freeflying: if it fails so early, it can't be a user problem, so nothing in .kde
[04:29] <NothingButYou> killall kdm
[04:29] <NothingButYou> and try xinit
[04:30] <KaiL> ToutPT|ppc|fr: no grapical login appears? then look in /var/log/kdm.log or /var/log/syslog, why
[04:30] <NothingButYou> if it works /etc/init.d/kdm start
[04:30] <NothingButYou> oops
[04:30] <NothingButYou> :}
[04:30] <KaiL> *bang* ... hmm
[04:31] <NothingButYou> but...
[04:31] <NothingButYou> why doesn't he do that
[04:31] <NothingButYou> I mean... why didin't he disconnect when kdm stop :)
[04:31] <NothingButYou> earlier
[04:31] <NothingButYou> something's wrong
[04:31] <KaiL> good question...
[04:33] <NothingButYou> hm and another question - what was he chatting with...
[04:33] <NothingButYou> aa here he comes..
[04:34] <NothingButYou> ToutPT|ppc|fr: problems?
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> yes
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> in kdm log
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> :
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware.
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
[04:35] <NothingButYou> but x is running/
[04:35] <NothingButYou> I suppose the touchpad isn't working
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> no,
[04:35] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> when i try to start kdm
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> it failed
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> but if i
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> startx
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> all is running
[04:36] <NothingButYou> hm..
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and touchpad too
[04:36] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> strange
[04:37] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> so kdm has a bug ?
[04:37] <NothingButYou> the only thing I think of... remove the /etc/kde3/kdm dir.. and launch Kcontrol and configure Login
[04:37] <NothingButYou> :)
[04:37] <NothingButYou> or you may back it up
[04:37] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> this isnot kde4 ? :p
[04:38] <NothingButYou> um ? hoary ?
[04:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> yes
[04:38] <NothingButYou> then it is 3.4
[04:38] <NothingButYou> so it is kde3
[04:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> the splash screen say 4 but your dire is 3
[04:38] <NothingButYou> :}
[04:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> lol
[04:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> oups
[04:38] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i m bit in future
[04:38] <NothingButYou> :}
[04:39] <NothingButYou> your splash is very futuristic..
[04:39] <NothingButYou> ah there was a command... genkdmconfig...
[04:40] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> command not found
[04:41] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> genkdmcong
[04:41] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> genkdmconf
[04:41] <NothingButYou> then use the Control center to configure it
[04:41] <NothingButYou> :}
[04:41] <freeflying> I still can't install kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <NothingButYou> hm..
[04:41] <NothingButYou> freeflying: hoary or breezy?
[04:42] <freeflying> breezy
[04:42] <cliebow> any tips on install..of 5.04 -i386..i have checked md5 sum..built 3 cds form iso none will go through an install...seems to hang transferring files to the hard drive..claims it is full..an rhel4 install with same equipment works perfectly
[04:42] <NothingButYou> freeflying: breezy is broken..
[04:42] <Einhoernchen> wtf. is breezy?
[04:42] <Einhoernchen> a new version?
[04:43] <NothingButYou> yes
[04:43] <Einhoernchen> hmm
[04:43] <NothingButYou> beta.. alpha or whatever..
[04:43] <Einhoernchen> lol
[04:43] <Einhoernchen> ok
[04:43] <freeflying> yeah ,when will all be ok ?
[04:43] <Einhoernchen> so many bugs
[04:43] <Einhoernchen> >)
[04:43] <NothingButYou> freeflying: later :))))))))))) don't know
[04:43] <freeflying> Maybe ' I shall not use kde under ubuntu
[04:43] <freeflying> :)
[04:44] <NothingButYou> why not.. I've did that a week ago
[04:44] <NothingButYou> but not with breezy!
[04:45] <freeflying> gcc4.0 are more better than 3.4 ,so I'd like use breezy
[04:45] <NothingButYou> I've heard the contrary..
[04:45] <NothingButYou> but.. :)
[04:46] <NothingButYou> cliebow: 5 GB of a formatted partition + 200+ swap should work
[04:46] <NothingButYou> cliebow: are you sure you are making the partitioning and mounting right ?
[04:47] <cliebow> i got 10..used the same hd for an ubuntu install.i don't get it..but thanks for input..8~)..i let it auto partition..but i should check that
[04:48] <NothingButYou> U managed to isntall ubuntu right?
[04:48] <NothingButYou> or the same problem?
[04:48] <cliebow> yes..
[04:48] <NothingButYou> yes what ? :) problem or working?
[04:48] <cliebow> wife beckons....gotta run..i did get ubuntu to work but not kubuntu..thanks
[04:48] <NothingButYou> go get her ! :)
[04:49] <NothingButYou> ToutPT|ppc|fr: alive?
[04:49] <Tm_T> hmh, where's smouche
[04:50] <Tm_T> hi kkathman
[04:50] <Tm_T> KaiL o/
[04:50] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> lol
[04:50] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> yes but still to have problem
[04:50] <NothingButYou> the same problem?
[04:50] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> seems to have an old date
[04:50] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> yes
[04:51] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> the main strange things is that my kde start with X
[04:51] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i just say startx
[04:51] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and kde start with X
[04:52] <NothingButYou> and "kdm start"
[04:52] <NothingButYou> won't?
[04:52] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ot crash
[04:53] <NothingButYou> very strange..
[04:53] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> yes
[04:53] <NothingButYou> ToutPT|ppc|fr: broken packages?
[04:53] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> not, i don't think
[04:54] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i have install kubuntu with the iso one week ago
[04:54] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and then updated the system
[04:54] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and install two or three things
[04:54] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> just the system has crashed cause my battery is down
[04:54] <NothingButYou> updated to what?
[04:55] <NothingButYou> please say hoary :)))))))))
[04:55] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> with the system update
[04:55] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> no pb
[04:55] <NothingButYou> you haven't touched the repositories :)
[04:55] <NothingButYou> hm...
[04:55] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> not
[04:56] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> is that normal to have an apm in /proc .?
[04:56] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> toutpt@ToutPTppc:/proc$ more apm
[04:56] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> 0.5 1.1 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x01 81% 136 min
[04:57] <NothingButYou> well on a laptop...
[04:57] <NothingButYou> maybe it's normal :}}
[04:57] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> acpi is not better ?
[04:58] <NothingButYou> apm is for laptop power control AFAIK
[04:58] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> i don't know nothing aout that
[04:58] <NothingButYou> acpi is for normal PC's ... at least I know it this way :)
[04:58] <KaiL> APM is a today outdated function for some basic power management.
[04:58] <NothingButYou> :))
[04:59] <antrix> I've got ACPI on this IBM laptop :)
[04:59] <KaiL> ACPI can do this (with much better control) and something more.
[04:59] <NothingButYou> well I know that they to the same job to some extend :))
[04:59] <KaiL> problem: ACPI can be broken by Bios-Coders very easy...
[05:00] <NothingButYou> why? no standard?
[05:00] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> woot , you guys no so tones of things
[05:00] <KaiL> NothingButYou: because you need a table about all hardware
[05:01] <KaiL> and this tables are something to difficult for Bios-Idiots
[05:01] <KaiL> eh, Bios-coders ;)
[05:01] <NothingButYou> ahm... thanks for the free lesson :)))))))
[05:01] <NothingButYou> (to remind me - never code a BIOS, you're not such an idiot)
[05:02] <KaiL> as a friend said recently: "If I ever meet a bios coder, that'll be his last meeting"
[05:03] <NothingButYou> wow you've got a very dangerous friend, beware :)))))
[05:03] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> wooooooooooot
[05:03] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> kdm is up
[05:03] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ok so , seems to be due to a bad date
[05:03] <NothingButYou> heh... have fun
[05:03] <KaiL> NothingButYou: his laptop has some very annoying bios bug ;)
[05:03] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> 1920 or sth like that
[05:04] <NothingButYou> ToutPT|ppc|fr: uou.. that's John Atanasov's first invention - you laptop ? :))))))))
[05:04] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> lol
[05:04] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> not its my mojo
[05:04] <NothingButYou> on the seventh day he invented the PC :}
[05:04] <NothingButYou> :))))))))
[05:04] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> and i in computer science ..... :/
[05:06] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> ok ,thanks for the help , now i will try to finish my 3D collision detection with soya
[05:06] <NothingButYou> ToutPT|ppc|fr: good luck :}
[05:07] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> thx ; )
[05:07] <Tm_T> huoh
[05:29] <PaloDeQueso> Does anyone know why I wouldn't be able to start torrents in kubuntu but I can in windows?
[05:32] <Tm_T> PaloDeQueso: eh, you can't?
[05:33] <NothingButYou> PaloDeQueso: Azureus or?
[05:34] <NothingButYou> am Tm_T honestlyu sait console torrent clients are much better :)))))))
[05:34] <NothingButYou> you win :}
[05:34] <NothingButYou> *honestly said
[05:35] <Tm_T> eh
[05:35] <Tm_T> I use azureus =)
[05:36] <NothingButYou> hahahaha
[05:36] <NothingButYou> we should not meet :)))))
[05:36] <Tm_T> actually, I don't _use_ it
[05:36] <Tm_T> I installed it and updated it, that's all :p
[05:36] <NothingButYou> :))
[05:36] <Gonzalo> Has anyone seen their dhcp client no longer work after the latest round of updates?
[05:36] <Gonzalo> I have been trying to nail this problem for the past few hours and have been unable to find a solution.
[05:37] <NothingButYou> breezy or hoary updates
[05:37] <Gonzalo> hoary updates on Kubuntu.
[05:37] <NothingButYou> what am I asking.. I don't use dhcp anyways..
[05:38] <Gonzalo> Well, I need to move between networks with my laptop, so dhcp is pretty useful.
[05:38] <dell500> anyone here gotten 3d acceleration to work with an ATI card (9600xt in my situation)
[05:38] <NothingButYou> I understand..
[05:39] <NothingButYou> Gonzalo: any errors in the output??
[05:39] <Gonzalo> The dhclient on the command line just times out and the kcontrol module doesn't work either.
[05:39] <NothingButYou> are u sure the dhcp server is running?
[05:39] <NothingButYou> I've noticed such behaviour when the network has problems
[05:39] <Gonzalo> Yes, other linux clients on the network find it just fine.
[05:40] <NothingButYou> well don't know , sorry. If anybody with more knowledge than me can help..
[05:40] <Gonzalo> Thanks for trying, though. I appreciate it.
[05:41] <Gonzalo> I came across this problem on Friday when I stopped by the channel for the first time to praise how great Kubuntu had been to me.
[05:41] <Gonzalo> Then, somebody said, I hope you haven't done the latest round of updates because I can no longer boot.
[05:41] <NothingButYou> mmm the latest update to breezy, horay updates work fine
[05:41] <Gonzalo> So I tried booting and my kernel upgrade seemed to have worked.
[05:42] <Gonzalo> I am considering reinstalling the original dhcp client that came with kubuntu to see whether this makes any difference.
[05:58] <_Church_Of_Foamy> anyone know why cpu idling seems to go up with the programs that you install?
[06:03] <dell500> NothingButYou, you still around??
[06:07] <Tm_T> haba haba haba
[06:09] <NothingButYou> seen seen.. no seen in here..
[06:09] <NothingButYou> DHCP works for me... but gonzalo's gone
[06:12] <dell500> NothingButYou, sup
[06:14] <_sandra> Hello
[06:14] <_sandra> Where is that script to fix the kdelibs problem ?
[06:14] <Tm_T> uh
[06:14] <Tm_T> "Some fixes: deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main"
[06:15] <Tm_T> add that "deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main" into your sources.list
[06:15] <_sandra> Tm_T: mh ?
[06:15] <_sandra> ok.
[06:15] <Tm_T> I think it's fixed in there
[06:15] <dell500> how do you find out what fglrx driver your using is?
[06:15] <dell500> like dmesg | flgrx or something
[06:15] <Choubaka> glxinfo?
[06:15] <dell500> or that
[06:15] <dell500> lol
[06:15] <Tm_T> =)
[06:16] <Tm_T> and don't say "lol" please :/
[06:16] <Tm_T> I think you're not really laughing out loud
[06:16] <Tm_T> so that make you a liar then :/
[06:16] <dell500> well i did lol
[06:16] <_sandra> Tm_T: should I leave that on my sources, or it's only temporary ?
[06:16] <dell500> i did it again :0
[06:16] <dell500> :)
[06:16] <Tm_T> _sandra: leave it ;)
[06:17] <Tm_T> dell500: haha =)
[06:17] <_sandra> thanks.
[06:17] <Tm_T> dell500: actually I just find "lol" and other annoying :p
[06:19] <dell500> i'll try and reframe from saying it :)
[06:19] <Tm_T> heh
[06:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> anyone know what cuases the cpu idling to go up with usage of kubuntu?
[06:20] <_Church_Of_Foamy> exspeacaly when nothings running
[06:22] <gdh> ehm... sorry?
[06:22] <gdh> if nothing is running, your CPU will be 99.9% idle :)
[06:23] <othernoob> gdh, would you happen to know how to align a printer ?
[06:23] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i thought printers aligned them selves?
[06:23] <gdh> othernoob: very tricky. needs rulers, sextants a protractor, and some KY jelly.
[06:23] <_Church_Of_Foamy> lol
[06:23] <othernoob> there's no KY jelly where i live :( im fooked :/
[06:24] <osh> gdh: Don't forget the vestal virgins you have to sacrifice.
[06:24] <gdh> you can always substitute a little elbow grease :)
[06:24] <_Church_Of_Foamy> roflmao
[06:25] <_Church_Of_Foamy> nothing is running to my knowledge but after that last update my cpu has been idling high
[06:25] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: Idle means that the processor isn't doing anything. 99% idle means 1% actual work.
[06:26] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well mine idles at around 9-22% after i updated the kernal
[06:26] <_Church_Of_Foamy> and i know that my cpu dosent have stepping because it's a chepo
[06:26] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: if you use the command "top". Which process is at the top?
[06:27] <Tm_T> off we go ->
[06:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well right now wine is
[06:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> than xorg
[06:27] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: how much on each?
[06:27] <NothingButYou> I'm not surprised for wine, cheers :)
[06:27] <_Church_Of_Foamy> xorg 16 wine 25
[06:28] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: xorg at 16% constantly?
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ksoftirqd/0 is using 43
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> nope just droped to 15
[06:28] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but yea around there
[06:28] <dell500> anyone here gotten 3d acceleration to work with an ATI card (9600xt in my situation)
[06:29] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: sounds a bit high. I'm at 1% or so. Very slow processor?
[06:29] <_Church_Of_Foamy> no celeron 1.2ghz
[06:29] <_Church_Of_Foamy> only 256mb ram though
[06:29] <Choubaka> Hmm
[06:29] <NothingButYou> it should be about 4 %
[06:30] <NothingButYou> max
[06:30] <osh> _Church_Of_Foamy: That's WAY to high.
[06:30] <NothingButYou> dell500: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567
[06:30] <Choubaka> I wonder if the open source drivers for r300 ati cards are any good.
[06:30] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it was idleing at 3-4% before i updated the kernal
[06:30] <dell500> ya, i'm still reading the posts on it NothingButYou
[06:30] <osh> dell500: I did. On gentoo. Haven't tried it on this ubuntu install yet since I'm not sure I'll keep it... ;-)
[06:31] <NothingButYou> _Church_Of_Foamy: kernel version and video card?
[06:31] <osh> s/ubu/kubu/g
[06:31] <_Church_Of_Foamy> 2.6.10-5-386 video card is a nvidia vanta lt (onboard was disabled in bios)
[06:32] <_Church_Of_Foamy> there was no jumpers on the motherboard
[06:32] <_Church_Of_Foamy> bios only disable (took me a while to figure out how to install )
[06:33] <_Church_Of_Foamy> but when i first installed the cpu would idel @ 3-4%
[06:33] <NothingButYou> yea.. hm.. and you have only upgraded the kernel without touching anything?
[06:33] <NothingButYou> else?
[06:33] <NothingButYou> :)
[06:33] <_Church_Of_Foamy> well i installed wine and some other programs such as vmware
[06:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> don't know how to run my ipod yet in linux
[06:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> so i use vmware to do the job
[06:34] <NothingButYou> hm.. this may be the problem.. too much X usage.. don't know
[06:34] <NothingButYou> what if you're not using anything else but KDE ?:)
[06:35] <NothingButYou> is the X usage at the same level?
[06:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> cpu usage around 12-14%
[06:35] <NothingButYou> osh: Cheers :)
[06:35] <NothingButYou> I'm asking about the X usage :)
[06:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> 12-14%
[06:36] <NothingButYou> with no WINE and VMWare?
[06:36] <NothingButYou> hm..
[06:36] <NothingButYou> :)
[06:36] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh without wine and vmware installed?
[06:36] <NothingButYou> no, running
[06:36] <NothingButYou> :)
[06:36] <_Church_Of_Foamy> 12-14%
[06:37] <_Church_Of_Foamy> if i reboot from power off it's still the same
[06:37] <NothingButYou> hm.. have no idea..
[06:37] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i'm worried about frying my cpu
[06:37] <NothingButYou> what was your previous kernel/
[06:37] <_Church_Of_Foamy> the one that came with the horey 5.04 iso cd
[06:38] <NothingButYou> well it is a 2.6.10 too AFAIK
[06:38] <NothingButYou> strange.. no idea..
[06:39] <_Church_Of_Foamy> brb
[06:41] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i am wondering if i should redo my install?
[06:42] <NothingButYou> why don't you try a kernel that's better for your Celeron
[06:42] <NothingButYou> :}
[06:42] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i can do that with the ubuntu install cd?
[06:42] <NothingButYou> something like i686 maybe? correct me if I'm wrong but .. I think it's suitable
[06:43] <NothingButYou> mmm don't know.. maybe there aren't other kernels. I haven't looked for them
[06:43] <NothingButYou> try the net repositories if you can
[06:43] <_Church_Of_Foamy> ok
[06:44] <_Church_Of_Foamy> can i get the i686 kernal through syn?
[06:46] <NothingButYou> yes
[06:46] <_Church_Of_Foamy> what would i search for
[06:46] <NothingButYou> mm.. I think that celeron is a i686 right people?
[06:46] <NothingButYou> i586 for sure
[06:47] <NothingButYou> _Church_Of_Foamy: "linux"
[06:47] <NothingButYou> and find the i686 version
[06:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> found it
[06:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i'll give
[06:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> it a try
[06:48] <NothingButYou> you said that you have upgraded the kernel?
[06:48] <NothingButYou> see the private please
[07:05] <gnrfan> hi everyone, I'm having a problem remastering a Hoary Live CD.. keep getting the "Non-Ubuntu CD-ROM was detected" error
[07:05] <gnrfan> it's not a Kubuntu specific issue but wanted to know if any of you has some advice on it
[07:14] <ToutPT|ppc|fr> test de amsg
[07:19] <Ghetek> somewhere while trying to install a 30gb hard drive i made it unreadable. kubuntu finds it but i cant do anything on it. i think i messed up on qt parted.
[07:22] <Ghetek> i just want to completely format it to fat 32
[07:23] <NothingButYou> which /dev is it?
[07:23] <NothingButYou> hdb?
[07:23] <Ghetek> hdb1
[07:23] <NothingButYou> can't you delete the partition?
[07:24] <Ghetek> i did that
[07:24] <Ghetek> i can see it in my /:media
[07:24] <Ghetek> when i click on it it says it cant mount it
[07:24] <NothingButYou> not there.. in QT parted
[07:24] <Ghetek> and only root can mount it
[07:25] <NothingButYou> a .. that's cause of the fstab options
[07:25] <Ghetek> so is it a partition error or an fstab error?
[07:27] <Tm_T> not an error
[07:27] <Tm_T> it should work that way
[07:51] <aciDHead> is there a way to get mplayer to work via apt-get ?
[07:53] <buz> work like what
[07:53] <NothingButYou> it works for me..
[07:53] <NothingButYou> :}
[07:54] <NothingButYou> add the universe and multiverse repos :)
[07:54] <_Church_Of_Foamy> http://www.opensource.org/halloween/  <---read this
[07:54] <_Church_Of_Foamy> microsofts scared
[08:07] <aciDHead> NothingButYou: can you give me the repos pls
[08:07] <NothingButYou> they are alredy there, just uncomment them in the /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <NothingButYou> the deb ones with the universe and multiverse lines
[08:08] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:09] <sander__> If I upgrade right now, will I still run into the overlapping file problem with kdelibs?
[08:09] <aciDHead> but an apt-get install mplayer-586 gives me many unresolved dependencies..
[08:10] <aciDHead> with lower version of libs already installed..
[08:11] <NothingButYou> sander__: if upgrading to breezy yes, if hoary from the kubuntu.org repo, no
[08:11] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:12] <NothingButYou> aciDHead: hm.. for me it works.. no problems at all
[08:12] <NothingButYou> are you using the same versions of kubuntu in the repositories (e.g. hoary only)
[08:13] <NothingButYou> hoary-updates and hoary-security
[08:13] <aciDHead> yes i do
[08:14] <NothingButYou> could you paste the uncommented lines in your sources.list on private
[08:14] <Gonzalo> Sure
[08:14] <NothingButYou> Gonzalo: !
[08:14] <NothingButYou> DHCP works
[08:14] <aciDHead> NothingButYou: there are no uncommented lines..
[08:14] <NothingButYou> for me
[08:14] <aciDHead> sry
[08:14] <aciDHead> mom
[08:14] <NothingButYou> there should be :}
[08:14] <_sander> Thank NothingButYou I'm staying in Hoary for a while to come yet. :) (in case that didn't come through)
[08:14] <Gonzalo> NothingButYou: Well, not for me.
[08:14] <aciDHead> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[08:15] <NothingButYou> aciDHead: on private please......
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[08:15] <NothingButYou> :\
[08:15] <NothingButYou> not here..
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## repository.
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[08:15] <Gonzalo> NothingButYou: I am tearing my hair out.
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[08:15] <aciDHead> ## team.
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:15] <`TUX``> shot him :)
[08:15] <aciDHead>  deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[08:16] <NothingButYou> ... too late to shoot :)
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:16] <Gonzalo> The only way to get on the internet is to assign the IP manually at the command line.
[08:16] <aciDHead>  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[08:16] <aciDHead> sry
[08:16] <NothingButYou> Gonzalo: check the DHCP server config? :)
[08:16] <Gonzalo> Putting them on the interfaces file makes no difference.
[08:16] <aciDHead> lol
[08:16] <Gonzalo> NothingButYou: Well, it works for 15 other computers.
[08:17] <NothingButYou> no other idea :\
[08:17] <Gonzalo> And it was working fine on Kubuntu until Friday.
[08:17] <NothingButYou> hm.. then find the old version and install it .. :\
[08:17] <Gonzalo> That's probably what I will do.
[08:18] <aciDHead> NothingButYou: you see sources.list is ok..
[08:19] <NothingButYou> no it's not.. come to private :}
[08:26] <yahalom> what are the good repos? what link?
[08:27] <NothingButYou> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:27] <NothingButYou> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-secutiry main restricted universe multiverse
[08:27] <NothingButYou> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[08:28] <NothingButYou> amm add slashes to com :)
[08:28] <NothingButYou> a.. and see the topic :)
[08:29] <yahalom> can i reinstall ubuntu without losing my data?
[08:29] <yahalom> thanx
[08:30] <NothingButYou> if your home folder is on a separate partition you won't lose the users home dirs
[08:30] <NothingButYou> :}
[08:31] <yahalom> well good luck to me
[08:32] <NothingButYou> and don't you dare to format it at installation time ! :P
[08:33] <_Church_Of_Foamy> is there a way to sort out the kde menu?
[08:33] <yahalom> thanx
[08:33] <NothingButYou> _Church_Of_Foamy: right click and edit it
[08:33] <_Church_Of_Foamy> i can reorganize whats where?
[08:34] <NothingButYou> well.. to some extent...
[08:34] <_Church_Of_Foamy> oh ok
[08:34] <NothingButYou> but.. it's kinda mm tricky when adding new apps and upgrading :)
[08:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> id like to put all the internet browsers under one listing and all my e-mail clients under another
[08:35] <_Church_Of_Foamy> everythings too clumped toghether for my taste
[08:36] <NothingButYou> well aren't they there ?:)
[08:36] <NothingButYou> aaa
[08:37] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yes but not how i'd like them to be
[08:37] <NothingButYou> I seee... well make a category and put them there :)
[08:39] <F_for_Fragging> can anyone help me with compiling libgphoto2 from CVS? -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=190157
[08:42] <F_for_Fragging> somehow it won't compile with usb support, but the libgphoto which is currently installed does have usb support
[08:45] <F_for_Fragging> no one here is alive or what?
[08:46] <NothingButYou> I personally have no idea...
[08:46] <NothingButYou> aaa
[08:46] <NothingButYou> u may have to install the appropriate usb -dev packages :)
[08:46] <NothingButYou> but I don't know which :)
[08:47] <F_for_Fragging> usb dev packages? but I don't understand, the libgphoto2 which is installed by default in kubuntu already supports usb without any other extra packages installed
[08:48] <kimo> I am installing kubuntu after 30 minutes, anything special I should take care of :)
[08:48] <NothingButYou> kimo private?
[08:48] <F_for_Fragging> kimo i recommend you read http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ and http://kudos.berlios.de/
[08:49] <kimo> F_for_Fragging, I am very well versed with linux, should I really read this ?
[08:49] <NothingButYou> F_for_Fragging: yes but you will compile it, so it needs the headers...
[08:49] <kimo> NothingButYou, private ??
[08:49] <NothingButYou> query
[08:49] <F_for_Fragging> kimo, is you are well-versed then maybe not, it's just a guide on how to install flash, java, video drivers and such
[08:50] <kimo> F_for_Fragging, ahh, that can be useful :)
[08:50] <F_for_Fragging> NothingButYou: ok, thx
[08:51] <F_for_Fragging> kimo: also expect that kubuntu is likely to be unstable, konqueror and kaffeine are frequent crashers on my, and many others, machine's
[08:52] <kimo> F_for_Fragging, :( really too bad
[08:52] <kimo> why cant that be fixed :<
[08:52] <NothingButYou> use kplayer/mplayer
[08:53] <F_for_Fragging> kimo: the crashes can be annoying but it's not critical though, keep in mind that this is just the first release of kubuntu and that kde 3.4 isn't that stable
[08:53] <NothingButYou> the updated packages are more stable though..
[08:53] <kimo> F_for_Fragging, been using 3.4 on suse, rock solid here :)
[08:53] <NothingButYou> and 3.4.1 is comming
[08:53] <kimo> so the first thing I should do is (apt-get dist-upgrade) ?
[08:54] <NothingButYou> yes but add the repo from the topic
[08:54] <NothingButYou> :)
[08:54] <NothingButYou> generally with every distro you should do something like that :)
[08:54] <kimo> ok thnx
[08:54] <F_for_Fragging> but even if 3.4.1 is coming they won't update anything until the next release in october or so
[08:55] <F_for_Fragging> only security updates...
[08:55] <NothingButYou> F_for_Fragging: I say that the breezy repository is cooking up some 3.4.1 packs :)
[08:55] <F_for_Fragging> yes, but breezy is still very unstable I've heard
[08:55] <KaiL> NothingButYou: do NOT use breezy, until exactly know, what you are doing.
[08:56] <NothingButYou> I know that KaiL :)))) and F_for_Fragging :))))
[08:56] <kimo> NothingButYou, sorry for sounding dumb! what is that repo I should add ? is it fairly stable ?
[08:56] <NothingButYou> which? :) breezy is not stable.. the topic one is :)
[08:57] <KaiL> breezy is still wating for the gcc transition to complete
[08:57] <KaiL> should be a bit better after
[08:57] <KaiL> ...but that's 1-2 month ahead
[08:57] <kimo> NothingButYou, so I should apt-get dist-upgrade without adding anything right ?
[08:58] <NothingButYou> ok, I'll wait :) I just periodcally check if hoary can be upgraded safe:)
[08:58] <NothingButYou> well.. you should add the repository from the topic
[08:58] <KaiL> NothingButYou: upgrade to breezy when it get's released.
[08:58] <NothingButYou> kubuntu.org
[08:58] <NothingButYou> KaiL: ok :)
[08:58] <KaiL> (that will be in October)
[08:58] <kimo> NothingButYou, ahh thnx
[08:59] <kimo> NothingButYou, repos from apt4rpm were very long, kubuntu.org didnt look like a repo to me :)
[09:00] <NothingButYou> well it is.. :}
[09:00] <NothingButYou> the rpm ones are very long yea :)
[09:00] <NothingButYou> but they're not very well structured :)
[09:00] <kimo> I am eager to experience the power of the deb :)
[09:01] <kimo> NothingButYou, how safe is it to mix with debian debs ?
[09:01] <kimo> is it usually ok
[09:02] <NothingButYou> it's not :) personal experience :}
[09:02] <kimo> So it breaks a lot!
[09:02] <kimo> is this sid
[09:04] <NothingButYou> averything that's "debian" :)
[09:04] <kay> It moves quicker too
[09:04] <kimo> grr r u super conservative or something :)
[09:04] <NothingButYou> erm?
[09:05] <NothingButYou> well the kplayer packs are compatible.. but the others I've tried.. are missing dependencies.. so.. U know :)
[09:06] <kimo> NothingButYou, duh! Why cant the dependencies be downloaded from debian's servers as well
[09:06] <NothingButYou> well cause debs from ubuntu will conflict with the ones in debian..
[09:06] <NothingButYou> and it's bad.. very bad :) Personal experience ;) reinstall followed :)
[09:07] <kimo> yikes
[09:07] <NothingButYou> nah.. here we go with another bootsplash for kubuntu. If anybody's interested contact me...
[09:08] <NothingButYou> make one yourself :) You've got a plenty of material you can use :}
[09:08] <kimo> but is it open source
[09:08] <kimo> ;)
[09:08] <KaiL> kimo: make one.
[09:08] <KaiL> splashy allows every JPEG image :)
[09:08] <NothingButYou> mine is.. your's hahah don't let me talk bad things :)
[09:08] <gdh> mm open sores porno... now /that's/ a niche market
[09:09] <kimo> heard of lesbian linux
[09:09] <NothingButYou> haha in general.. every Porn star is open.... mmm I'll shut myself up...
[09:09] <NothingButYou> widely opensource..
[09:09] <NothingButYou> :-X
[09:10] <kimo> :) no honest, if I like take pamela andreson naked and put her on a splash, I guess I cant do that legally right ?
[09:10] <Firetech> is it possible to get amarok to use akode in kubuntu?
[09:10] <NothingButYou> kimo: many people do that...
[09:10] <kimo> !
[09:10] <NothingButYou> generally it's not right.. I  think
[09:10] <NothingButYou> haha
[09:11] <gdh> Firetech: apt-get install akode-mpeg
[09:11] <gdh> (from universe)
[09:11] <NothingButYou> I use gstreamer
[09:11] <Firetech> gdh: will amarok be able to use it?
[09:11] <Firetech> NothingButYou: gstreamer sucks 10% CPU when playing
[09:11] <Tm_T>   eh?
[09:12] <Firetech> and 4% when not playing
[09:12] <Firetech> in amarok, not anywhere else
[09:12] <Tm_T> gstreamer uses ~2% in amaroK when playing
[09:12] <gdh> Firetech: if amarok uses arts for playback, then yes
[09:12] <Tm_T> and 1-5% amaroK GUI
[09:13] <Firetech> Tm_T: I know, I talked to you some days ago about the same thing
[09:13] <NothingButYou> well for mr it uses 8% on an 2000+
[09:13] <NothingButYou> :}
[09:13] <NothingButYou> but it has EQ and ... I hate xine
[09:13] <NothingButYou> :}
[09:13] <kimo> juk
[09:14] <NothingButYou> nah:}
[09:15] <Firetech> xine makes funny noices, which isn't quite fun, arts chrashes on me now and then
[09:15] <NothingButYou> mm isn't akode linked with arts in some way?
[09:15] <Firetech> I don't like the fact that juk resumes at the selected track when retsrting after  stop
[09:15] <NothingButYou> I've used both and ... they both (arts and akode) crash
[09:15] <Firetech> but in juk, akode is the best one
[09:16] <NothingButYou> gstreamer works very well for all kinds of file
[09:16] <NothingButYou> *s :)
[09:17] <Firetech> on amarok.kde.org, it says that amarok can use akode
[09:18] <NothingButYou> try :)
[09:19] <_dsmith> Greetings :) May I trouble you fine people with a question (apologies if I'm in the wrong channel)?
[09:19] <_Church_Of_Foamy> anyone know where to get the wine script?
[09:19] <NothingButYou> _dsmith: greetings, try :)
[09:21] <_Church_Of_Foamy> anyone know how to run the wine script once you download it?
[09:21] <NothingButYou> have you?
[09:21] <sirukin> hmm
[09:22] <_dsmith> I installed Kubuntu last week, wanting to try a new Debian-flavored distro. I've been mostly pleased, but one aspect that I've been troubled by is getting my wireless LAN card configured. During install, the installer spotted my wlan card as well as my 10/100 NIC. I told the installer to use the wired ethernet (eth0) as a primary network connection for the install. I'm ready to move over to using my wifi card primarily, but every time I try to enable and co
[09:22] <_dsmith> nter, it instantly disables. I've messed with some config files to no avail.
[09:25] <_dsmith> Haha :)
[09:25] <gdh> _dsmith: No idea, but I think your message was a bit long and some bits got dropped...  "but every time I try to enable and co" ...
[09:25] <_dsmith> Ah, I'm sorry.
[09:25] <_dsmith> More or less, I enable eth1
[09:25] <_dsmith> (my wifi card)
[09:25] <_dsmith> and it instantly disables it again
[09:26] <_dsmith> All of this from the Kcontrol center, although I've tried using iwconfig and editing various config files.
[09:27] <NothingButYou> hm.. wasn't there a kWIFI manager or smth like that...
[09:28] <_dsmith> Well, kwifimanager does find eth1, even though the control center says it's disabled, but it won't scan for networks
[09:28] <_dsmith> and it outputs something to the affect of "Failed to read scan data" to the console.
[09:29] <NothingButYou> have you edited the /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:29] <_dsmith> Yes.
[09:29] <_dsmith> Or attempted to.
[09:29] <_dsmith> It's a wee different from what I'm used to under other flavors.
[09:31] <NothingButYou> well there should be something like address <IP> netmask <255...> gateway <GWIP>   and a line for eth1 like the for eth0 or smth like that.. don't know if it'll work
[09:31] <NothingButYou> address netmask and gateway are different lines if you don't have such for eth0
[09:32] <NothingButYou> someon correct me if I'm wrong..
[09:32] <NothingButYou> :}
[09:33] <_dsmith> ah, okey :) Thanks. I'll play around with it and see what happens.
[09:38] <NothingButYou> have a nice day/night all
[09:43] <Tm_T> hullo folks
[09:48] <xxenon> anyone knows how to fix that in breezy :
[09:48] <xxenon> Setting up twm (6.8.2-20) ...
[09:48] <xxenon> update-alternatives: slave link name /usr/share/man/man1/x-window-manager.1.gz duplicated
[09:48] <xxenon> dpkg: error processing twm (--configure):
[09:53] <F_for_Fragging> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=193041 -> can someone help me with getting the list of supported camera's updated after having compiled libgphoto2 from CVS?
[09:59] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[09:59] <Riddell> aseigo: honk
[09:59] <aseigo> Riddell: what's the name of that new package manager to kubuntu? and is there a website for it?
[09:59] <aseigo> (i can find the url, but i won't bother if there isn't one +)
[09:59] <Riddell> aseigo: kapture?  current one is kynaptic
[10:00] <aseigo> kapture, right.
[10:00] <Riddell> aseigo: it did have a two line description at kalyxo.org
[10:00] <gdh> LOL kynaptic's been dropped already?
[10:00] <Riddell> aseigo: it's in KDE's CVS somewhere, playground/admin/debian possibly
[10:00] <Riddell> aseigo: ask mornfall, he's the dude
[10:00] <aseigo> heh. have you done a google search for "kapture"? =)
[10:02] <kay> What's in that search?
[10:03] <aseigo> all kinds of stuff. very popular name.
[10:04] <Riddell> websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/kapture/
[10:04] <Riddell> thanks goodness google has indexed websvn now
[10:04] <Riddell> aseigo: you'll also need libapt-front which is on alioth
[10:05] <Riddell> otherwise, I havn't tried the thing
[10:05] <Riddell> need to look at it soon though
[10:14] <_sander> Riddell: any chance the apt:/ kio slave might make it into Kubuntu?
[10:14] <aseigo> Riddell: as for console based install.. are we still going to be left with dselect?
[10:15] <Tm_T> aseigo and Riddell o/
[10:16] <Riddell> aseigo: apt-get ?
[10:16] <Riddell> aptitude?
[10:16] <Riddell> _sander: good idea, it's in kalyxo isn't it?
[10:17] <Riddell> I need to have an uploading spree once the c++ stuff is done
[10:17] <_sander> It's in Debian unstable, if that's what you mean. I think it could potentially be helpful in creating interactive documentation.
[10:18] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:18] <_sander> I'm unclear as to where Kalyxo stands in relation to Debian.
[10:19] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's that?
[10:19] <Riddell> _sander: in which way?
[10:20] <Tm_T> about pykde... any news? ;p
[10:20] <_sander> I mean whether Kalyxo is part of the main Debian project or whether it's separate project.
[10:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh it's stuck on some silly technicality, pyqt can't compile because it depends on some package that's being  moved from main to universe, or something
[10:21] <Riddell> _sander: it's separate
[10:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, ok =)
[10:22] <_sander> Ah I see it now, in a story on the dot.
[10:23] <F_for_Fragging> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=193041 -> can someone help me with getting the list of supported camera's updated after having compiled libgphoto2 from CVS?
[10:27] <_sander> http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php ?
[10:29] <F_for_Fragging> I mean the list of supported camera's in the KDE control Center
[10:29] <F_for_Fragging> I installed 2.1.6rc1 which includes support for the canon powershot a510
[10:29] <F_for_Fragging> however when i want to add a camera in KDE I can't find the A510 in the list
[10:30] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: where is that list?
[10:31] <F_for_Fragging> i also wrote in the second post of the topic i linked to, but i mean peripherals -> digital camera -> in the kde control center
[10:31] <F_for_Fragging> i mean peripherals -> digital camera -> add button
[10:33] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: I admint i've never looked at that module before, what does it do?
[10:33] <Riddell> cameria:/ has always worked for me
[10:33] <Riddell> camera:/
[10:34] <F_for_Fragging> camera:/ does work but it detects a USB PTP Class camera, not my A510
[10:35] <Riddell> what's the difference?
[10:36] <KaiL> maybe it IS a PTP class cam?
[10:36] <KaiL> A310 is...
[10:36] <F_for_Fragging> well with libgphoto version 2.1.5, which is installed by default in kubuntu, it detects my a510 as a usb ptpt class cam. It does work, but not very well
[10:36] <KaiL> what means "not very well"?
[10:36] <F_for_Fragging> anyway, 2.1.6rc1 does have support for the a510
[10:37] <F_for_Fragging> not very well = sometimes digikam can connect to my camera and sometimes it can't
[10:37] <F_for_Fragging> when it can't if have to delete the camera and then autodetect again
[10:37] <F_for_Fragging> ten it can connect to the camera again and i can transfer my photo's
[10:38] <F_for_Fragging> so basically i can get it to work with pulling some tricks, but I just need the newer version 2.1.6rc1 to get good support for my A510
[10:39] <KaiL> could you try to select a A310?
[10:39] <KaiL> ...not PTP mode...
[10:39] <F_for_Fragging> so I compiled 2.1.6rc1 without problems, as I wrote in my forum topic, but know the list of camera's which can be added in the KDe control center module doesn't update, which it should
[10:40] <F_for_Fragging> selecting the A310 or any other model doesn't work, I already tried
[10:40] <KaiL> hmm
[10:41] <F_for_Fragging> but that's not really the problem, all I need is KDE to get the updated list of supported cams from libgphoto2 2.1.6rc1 to show up in the Control Center module
[10:44] <KaiL> recompile kdegrapics...?
[10:45] <KaiL> if that's required, kamera should depend on the exact libgphoto version btw...
[10:48] <F_for_Fragging> if i have to recompile even more packages to get it to work I think I'll give up, I guess I have to wait for the next Kubuntu release to get support for my A510 then...
[10:49] <F_for_Fragging> but when I was googling for a solution to my problem I read this -> http://www.livejournal.com/users/hisham/13172.html -> so I thought I would be ok if I compiled a recent version of libgphoto2...
[10:53] <KaiL> would only good to know for devel
[10:54] <F_for_Fragging> ?
[10:57] <KaiL> well, if we need to recompile kdeutils for the updated list, we don't do this automatically on a libgphoto update
[10:59] <F_for_Fragging> hmm... sorry, but I don't understand it anymore, too difficult for me.... but thanks a lot for your help
[11:46] <mrmanic> does anyone know how I would go about routing specific traffic out of my network and back in from the outside?
[11:48] <_Church_Of_Foamy> where are the startup logs located?
[11:48] <mrmanic> startup logs?
[11:48] <mrmanic> are they not in /var/log?
[11:49] <_Church_Of_Foamy> yup ther'e there
[11:50] <mrmanic> oh
[11:50] <mrmanic> well that's your answer then
[11:50] <mrmanic> :)
[11:51] <mez> lol


[20:43] <swift110_> hello all
[20:46] <marcoceppi> o/ swift110_
[20:47] <swift110_> hey how are you marcoceppi
[20:47] <marcoceppi> good, how about yourself?
[20:47] <swift110_> good what ya up too
[20:52] <marcoceppi> just working
[20:52] <swift110_> ok


[00:32] <cottima> hello
[15:23] <aubre> hello
[15:23] <aubre> anyone have any recommendations for a ubuntu laptop?
[15:29] <aubre> I was thinking all intel - processor, video and wifi
[22:46] <offby1> what's an effective way to ... uh ... complain about something not working properly on my Ubuntu laptop?
[22:46] <crimsun> file a bug using Launchpad.
[22:47] <offby1> ok, thanks
[22:48] <crimsun> no, thank _you_  :-)
[22:49] <offby1> yeah yeah :-)
[22:53] <offby1> wow -- the bug-reporting thing on Launchpad works frighteningly well.  It found a whole pile of relevant bugs, wheres my miserable search-fu found none


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[13:50] <gnagno> hello all
[13:51] <gnagno> I have a problem with java programs, if I run them as normal user they don't work, but if I run them with sudo they work, any solution?
[13:53] <persia> Packaged programs or unpackaged programs?  If the former, which one?
[13:55] <gnagno> any program
[13:55] <gnagno> now I am trying with a simple "hello word"
[13:55] <gnagno> just imagine I make a very simple program, compile it and any time I try to run it I have to use sudo
[13:57] <persia> Which JRE do you have installed?
[13:59] <gnagno> this is the output from java -version
[13:59] <gnagno> java version "1.6.0_20"
[13:59] <gnagno> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_20-b02)
[13:59] <gnagno> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.3-b01, mixed mode)
[13:59] <persia> And that's installed from the package?
[13:59] <persia> Hrm.
[13:59] <gnagno> yep
[13:59] <persia> I've never heard of this issue before.
[13:59] <persia> You get "permission denied" when you try to run without sudo?
[13:59] <gnagno> no
[13:59] <persia> What error do you get?
[14:00] <gnagno> this: http://pastebin.com/1R7JDkLU
[14:00] <gnagno> do you want I paste the log file too?
[14:07] <nthykier> do your user have LD_LIBRARY_PATH or LD_PRELOAD set to anything?
[14:08] <nthykier> but yes, it would be nice to see the log file as well
[14:08] <nthykier> gnagno: ^
[14:08] <nthykier> Gah, my mouse just died on me >.< stupid battery
[14:09]  * persia took too long and got "WE ARE CURRENTLY MOVING SERVERS, DUE TO THIS, A FEW PASTE ARE CURRENTLY OFFLINE, THEY WILL BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES." :(
[14:09] <gnagno> wait wait... I discovered something strange
[14:09] <gnagno> now my simple hello world app is working with normal user
[14:10] <persia> Oh, excellent.
[14:10] <gnagno> can you please look at this one? http://pastebin.com/ZmX09u79
[14:10] <gnagno> if I uncomment line #16 it is not working
[14:11] <gnagno> maybe the problem is somehow related to some library?
[14:11]  * persia gets the same error message
[14:11] <nthykier> ooooooh, sounds like someone broke swing
[14:12] <nthykier> smells like a bug report
[14:12] <gnagno> and this is the content of the log file: http://pastebin.com/7abuwVrw
[14:13] <gnagno> Netbeans is not working too... I have to lauch it as root
[14:17] <gnagno> persia, did you get my same error message with my simple program?
[14:18] <persia> Yes, and my browser crashed.
[14:18] <persia> But I agree with nthykier: it's probably enough to file a bug report.
[14:20] <nthykier> gnagno: wait... why is your sun java using motif?
[14:21] <nthykier> I thought gtk+ was the backing implementation of Java on Linux in Ubuntu?
[14:22] <gnagno> nthykier, I don't know... I don't think I changed it
[14:23] <gnagno> how can I change it back to gtk+ ?
[14:23] <nthykier> Don't know
[14:23] <persia> Ought be gtk
[14:24] <nthykier> yeah, it ought to be gtk... you definitely want to mention that it uses motif and not gtk in the bug report
[14:24] <persia> Indeed.
[14:25] <nthykier> and then pass the bug number to persia so he can click the "I am also affected by this" button ;)
[14:25] <persia> Um, except I'm not :)
[14:27] <nthykier> :)
[14:31] <gnagno> I am googling to see if I can change this from motif to gtk
[14:40] <gnagno> anyway don't you think it's strange that it's working with sudo and not with my normal user
[14:40] <gnagno> ?
[14:40] <persia> It is strange, hence the request to file a bug.
[14:43] <nthykier> well, that is kind of why I asked about the LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, as I recall sudo unsets those before starting the application (since keeping them opens possible root exploits)
[14:45] <nthykier> though I did not see anything in the crash log that suggests it was using non-standard libraries
[14:47] <gnagno> someone else have my same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1257346.html
[14:48] <nthykier> erh, is the log supposed to say OS:squeeze/sid and not (e.g.) Maverick?
[14:49] <nthykier> s/log/crash log/
[14:53] <nthykier> Hmm it does not really look like the method that crashes can crash
[14:59] <gnagno> why squeeze ? I am using Meverick
[15:05] <nthykier> Yeah, Squeeze is the current development release of Debian... well, maybe Ubuntu has just imported the Debian package without changes and it is hardcoded into Java itself when it was built
[15:06] <gnagno> do you think it is possible that the root user can access some libraries that my normal user cannot?
[15:06] <gnagno> and this is why netbeans and swing programs are not working for my normal user?
[15:07] <nthykier> it is possible, but unless you have been messing with chmod/chown in /usr/lib/ and /lib then it is not very likely
[15:07] <gnagno> actually I noticed that the program is raising the error in the moment I call hw.setVisible(true);
[15:08] <nthykier> yupe the log also suggests this is the case
[15:09] <nthykier> rather - it confirms this is the case (see "Java Frames:")
[15:09] <pato> hello
[15:09] <gnagno> so the problem is in the rendering moment
[15:09] <gnagno> hello pato
[15:11] <nthykier> gnagno: btw, do you experience this problem when using OpenJDK ?
[15:11] <pato> sorry to bother today. I am having and issue when compiling through ireport and netbeans. Its all related to having the java driver installed
[15:11] <pato> I have it
[15:11] <pato> but it is like is not finding it at all
[15:12] <pato> it worked on fedora, but it justs fails on ubuntu
[15:12] <pato> anyone has any ideas?
[15:12] <nthykier> gnagno: btw, what exactly did you write when you start your application?
[15:12] <gnagno> nthykier, with openjdk it is working
[15:12] <nthykier> Yay for open source software
[15:13] <gnagno> nthykier, do you mean what is the content of the app file?
[15:13] <gnagno> ok I guess I can use openjdk :)
[15:13] <nthykier> the app file?
[15:14] <gnagno> you asked me what exactly did you write when you start your application?
[15:14] <gnagno> what do you mean?
[15:14] <nthykier> well, do you write "java $classname" or what?
[15:14] <gnagno> oh yes
[15:14] <gnagno> java package.classname
[15:15] <nthykier> so java package.classname and sudo java package.classname ?
[15:15] <gnagno> yep
[15:15] <gnagno> the second one is working
[15:15] <gnagno> actually netbeans is still not working, even with openjdk
[15:16] <nthykier> Hmm, "which java" and "sudo which java" - do they output the same?
[15:16] <gnagno> yes
[15:16] <gnagno> I even tryed java -version and sudo java -version
[15:17] <nthykier> okay - just checking (sudo could also change the PATH)
[15:17] <nthykier> patojamriska: : as in netbeans cannot find a java compiler?
[15:17] <nthykier> or netbeans fails to start?
[15:18] <patojamriska> no
[15:18] <patojamriska> this is the error i get
[15:18] <nthykier> gnagno: hmm, what error does netbeans give you ?
[15:18] <patojamriska> Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:sqlserver://VMCITSMSQL2A:1433;DatabaseName=HDQUERY
[15:19] <gnagno> this is netbeans error: http://pastebin.com/RC7Gxdkt
[15:19] <patojamriska> but I have the driver there
[15:20] <patojamriska> I can connect via a dicrect netbeans connection, but if I instanciate the driver with java.sql.drvier..... it just doen't work
[15:20] <nthykier> Hmm, been a while since I last played with SQL drivers
[15:21] <patojamriska> well, like I said, I just pointed the driver in the classpath in fedora, and it worked fine. I updated to ubuntu and all of a sudden I can't work because of this
[15:21] <patojamriska> I been looking for an answer everywhere and no one seems to know
[15:22] <nthykier> If the driver is from an Ubuntu package the jar may be named slightly different and be placed in /usr/share/java
[15:22] <nthykier> gnagno: same error with OpenJDK ?
[15:22] <patojamriska> ok let me check nt
[15:23] <gnagno> nthykier, this is with OpenJDK
[15:23] <nthykier> "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java" -Djdk.home="/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun"
[15:23] <nthykier> that is not openjdk  :P
[15:24] <gnagno> uhm... I did update-java-alternatives
[15:24] <nthykier> possible, but your local netbeans is still using sun java
[15:24] <nthykier> maybe JAVA_HOME is set
[15:24] <gnagno> yes, you're right
[15:26] <patojamriska> naa, I still get the no suitable driver
[15:26] <nthykier> patojamriska:  what is the package/jar you are using?
[15:26] <patojamriska> sqljdbc4.jar
[15:27] <gnagno> I uncommented JAVA_HOME and netbeans is still using java-6-sun
[15:27] <gnagno> sorry, I meant I commented
[15:28] <patojamriska> gnagno: try to use the java command to change the default java
[15:29] <nthykier> patojamriska: mmm, cannot see that jar being present in any java package I am aware of. did you download it from a third-party vendor?
[15:29] <patojamriska> yeah
[15:29] <patojamriska> great MSoft
[15:30] <gnagno> patojamriska, how to use the java command to change the default java?
[15:30] <patojamriska> gnagno: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:31] <nthykier> actually you may find update-java-alternatives very convenient for changing system java
[15:31] <gnagno> thanks, I did it but netbeans is still using java-6-sun
[15:31] <patojamriska> nthykier: It shouldn't be tis hard, specially if you add the jar to the system and point it on the classpath
[15:31] <patojamriska> hmm
[15:32] <nthykier> patojamriska: admittedly it should work the same on Ubuntu and Fedora
[15:32] <patojamriska> exactly
[15:32] <patojamriska> I got no idea why is not working
[15:32] <patojamriska> now, If I deploy it to the server on tomcat, it works half ways sometimes
[15:33] <patojamriska> because I can't troubleshoot the report on NB
[15:33] <nthykier> NB?
[15:34] <patojamriska> netbeans
[15:34] <patojamriska> or iReport
[15:34] <patojamriska> or pure java
[15:34] <patojamriska> none do it
[15:34] <patojamriska> :(
[15:34] <nthykier> ah netbeans
[15:34] <nthykier> I am an eclipse user
[15:35] <nthykier> not used to all the netbeans related abbreviations :)
[15:37] <nthykier> hmm, does this sql jar have any dependencies?
[15:37] <nthykier> or is it a complete stand alone?
[15:37] <patojamriska> that's ok
[15:37] <patojamriska> complete stand alone
[15:37] <patojamriska> I wish ireport would have the plugin for eclipse
[15:37] <nthykier> okay - that rules out something being loaded on Fedora that was not loaded in Ubuntu
[15:37] <nthykier> you could write one *hint hint*
[15:37] <nthykier> hehe
[15:37] <patojamriska> :)
[15:38] <patojamriska> yeah I been looking at the source and thinking about it
[15:38] <patojamriska> but I am on a big project right now that does not give me much spare time for it
[15:40] <nthykier> btw, are you using sun-java or OpenJDK?
[15:40] <nthykier> or even GCJ?
[15:42] <nthykier> also, have you people tried using netbeans from Ubuntu - as I understand it Ubuntu got 6.9 in Maverick (haven't checked it though)
[15:48] <patojamriska> sorry I was lookign at the other screen
[15:48] <patojamriska> 6.8 ubuntu
[15:48] <patojamriska> sun
[15:48] <patojamriska> and openjdk
[15:48] <patojamriska> none work
[15:48] <patojamriska> and on fedora was working on both
[15:50] <gnagno> I tryed now to install netbeans from package, still got the same error tought it installed a lot of dependencies
[15:54] <nthykier> gnagno: if the Ubuntu package does not respect your system settings for java (and you do not have JAVA_HOME set in your terminal/environment) then you should file a bug against it
[15:55] <patojamriska> I hate to say this but I am going to have to install windows to work on this thing of netbeans for a while
[15:55] <gnagno> patojamriska, I was going to say the same...
[15:56] <nthykier> fair enough
[15:56] <gnagno> I just am not used to windows
[15:57] <patojamriska> i hate windows
[15:57] <patojamriska> i might as as well on the java forum and see if anyone has any ideas
[15:58] <patojamriska> thank you for your time though nt
[15:59] <patojamriska> oh
[16:00] <patojamriska> check this out
[16:00] <patojamriska> I changed the parameter to use the local connection on the report, and have another pointing to mysql and now I get this
[16:00] <patojamriska> Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for jdbc:mysql://cedev/PartsInventoryDevelopment
[16:01] <nthykier> mm, we do have an mysql driver in Ubuntu last I checked - you probably have to tell netbeans where to find it though
[16:01] <patojamriska> is on my classpath
[16:02] <nthykier> btw, those URLs looks "strange"
[16:03] <patojamriska> how come?
[16:05] <nthykier> well, regular URLs are read as protocol://host/resource but yours (ignored the jdbc: part) does not seem to have hostnames in them
[16:06] <nthykier> again it is ages since I last looked at Java and SQL drivers :P
[16:06] <patojamriska> well I use teh hostname of the dev machine == cedev
[16:06] <patojamriska> and teh resource the database name
[16:06] <patojamriska> it works fine on the straight connections
[16:06] <patojamriska> :)
[16:07] <nthykier> sure :P
[16:07] <patojamriska> lol
[16:10] <nthykier> our university computers have aliases in their /etc/hosts file for all their machines, so I know that the URL could be valid... just that most setups do not use aliases like that :)
[16:11] <gnagno> I am still fighting with java and swing
[16:13] <nthykier> I learned long ago that GUI programming is generally not me... I can do all the component logic and connect the events, but I cannot be bothered to create something that looks decent
[16:14] <nthykier> mmm... headless programs :P
[16:22] <patojamriska> :)
[16:31] <patojamriska> no luck
[16:31] <patojamriska> im going to have to use windows
[17:04] <gnagno> patojamriska, windows in evil
[17:12] <persia> Let's not argue about how one or another operating system is bad.
[17:12] <persia> Arguing about why one or another is good, on the other hand, is less objectionable.
[17:12] <persia> We can always learn to improve :)
[17:15] <gnagno> persia, of course I was irhonic :)
[17:16] <gnagno> I just need to make swing work under ubuntu :/
[17:57] <gnagno> I am leaving thank you very much for your help
[18:23] <patojamriska> im out as well
[18:23] <patojamriska> i'll be back later
[18:23] <patojamriska> thanks for all the help