[00:01] <Ineedhelppls> Does anyone know what is means when I get the error: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[00:03] <nicomachus> Sleaker: yes, I meant my users. right now it shows drwxrwxrwx, is that full read/write for all users?
[00:03] <Sleaker> nicomachus: yes
[00:03] <Sleaker> but the files you're copying into that directory might not be getting those permissions
[00:03] <Sleaker> best check the files.
[00:03] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: what's your sources list?
[00:04] <nicomachus> oh. That's going to be a lot. in a lot of subdirectories.
[00:04] <Sleaker> nicomachus: are you actually haveing permission issues?
[00:04] <Ineedhelppls> @Sleaker I've reset my sources list to the default settings, and still get the error
[00:04] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: please pastie/pastebin etc it and link here.
[00:05] <nicomachus> Sleaker: now that I look back at the error output, it seems to be a problem with reading .flac files and a few random extensions where it just has a warning that it's a text file.
[00:05] <Ineedhelppls> Sleaker https://thepasteb.in/p/pghQ6J9RyGnUR
[00:06] <nicomachus> Sleaker: example: https://paste.ubuntu.com/25122109/
[00:06] <Sleaker> nicomachus: maybe an issue with your program then?
[00:07] <nicomachus> Sleaker: yea I'll have to look into how mopidy handles .flac files
[00:07] <nicomachus> thanks anyway.
[00:08] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: which one of those is giving an error?
[00:08] <Ineedhelppls> Sleaker oddly enough it seems like all of them
[00:09] <Ineedhelppls> That said, I have no issue accessing the base URLs via browser, I just can
[00:09] <Ineedhelppls> 't find a release file
[00:10] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: those all work for me just fine 1:1
[00:10] <Ineedhelppls> Sleaker it might be worth mentioning that I also get connection errors when running apt update
[00:10] <Ineedhelppls> Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80], but when I ping the servers I get a response
[00:11] <Sleaker> .149 is the archive.
[00:11] <kotek> r there any hacking tools in ubuntu?
[00:11] <Sleaker> atleast for me.
[00:11] <sary> I'm sure you meatn cracking..
[00:11] <kotek> no
[00:12] <Ineedhelppls> I have it failing to get: <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, and <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:12] <Sleaker> maybe you have bad dns?
[00:12] <Ineedhelppls> I'm not sure why. I've tried changing the servers being requested using software-properties-gtk
[00:12] <sary> then what hacking tools you refering to..
[00:12] <Sleaker> or there is an issue right now with canonical server.
[00:12] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: either way.. it works on this end.
[00:12] <kotek> sary, eg can i check if computer is online?
[00:12] <Ineedhelppls> I've tried accessing the updates on several different days now
[00:13] <Sleaker> Ineedhelppls: seems likely that it's something with the system or your internet connection.
[00:13] <Ineedhelppls> I did just move into a new apartment, and I might have changed DNS? That said, I shouldn't be able to access via ping if that is the case
[00:13] <Ineedhelppls> I agree, but why would it work on ping and http request?
[00:13]  * Sleaker shrugs
[00:14] <sary> kotek: ping -W 1 $ip , but that's not hackin' :)
[00:15] <Ineedhelppls> Sleaker well I appreciate the help!
[00:15] <Sleaker> yah sorry :(
[00:15] <Ineedhelppls> thanks for bein there for a guy
[00:15] <Ineedhelppls> nah, I'm glad I got a second opinon
[00:15] <Ineedhelppls> clearly somethin over here is real screwy
[00:15] <Ineedhelppls> any idea what the best way is to try out different DNS servers? I'm using wicd-gtk, would that work?
[00:16] <Ineedhelppls> I'm thinking of trying out google's DNS <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:16] <Sleaker> no clue.
[00:20] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: what nameservers are currently set? your ISP's?
[00:20] <Ineedhelppls> glitsj16 yup
[00:21] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: try editing /etc/resolv.conf and set google's there instead
[00:21] <Ineedhelppls> my resolv.conf says specifically not to edit by hand
[00:22] <Ineedhelppls> that changes will be overwritten
[00:22] <Ineedhelppls> not sure why...
[00:22] <tgm4883> because it will be overwritten
[00:22] <Ineedhelppls> -_-
[00:22] <Ineedhelppls> by what?
[00:22] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: for testing, you can set them up not to be overwritten if it works
[00:22] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: by the thing that managers the resolv.conf file
[00:22] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: also known as resolvconf
[00:23] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: are you using NM?
[00:23] <Ineedhelppls> ok, once I've edited the file how do I make the changes take effect?
[00:23] <Ineedhelppls> I'm using wicd
[00:23] <tgm4883> if you've edited the file, they are already in effect
[00:23] <Ineedhelppls> oh, cool
[00:23] <Ineedhelppls> I'll try now
[00:23] <tgm4883> i'm surprised that wicd doesn't have a way to set DNS servers
[00:24] <glitsj16> indeed
[00:24] <Ineedhelppls> it does! but my changes don't seem to do anything....
[00:24] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: well use the way wicd offers, have you tried that?
[00:24] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: I just read more backlog, that doesnt' appear to be a DNS issue
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> I did try that
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> I set them to google's dns
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> I also just tried using the changes to resolv.conf
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> no difference in my apt update behaviour
[00:25] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls. "Connection failed [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80], but when I ping the servers I get a response" isn't a DNS issue
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> any idea what's going on tgm4883?
[00:25] <Ineedhelppls> that what I thought
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> I'm just desperate enough to give anything a try at this point
[00:26] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: this is when you're running 'apt-get update' ?
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> I haven't been able to install stuff
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> yea
[00:26] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: try a mirror
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> apt or apt-get
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> I've tried changing my mirror in software-properties-gtk
[00:26] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: what country?
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> tried some in other countries even
[00:26] <Ineedhelppls> I did US and UK
[00:26] <glitsj16> according to the paste you showed that didn't work
[00:26] <tgm4883> no, where are you?
[00:27] <tgm4883> southern CA it seems
[00:27] <Ineedhelppls> I'm in NY, actually
[00:28] <tgm4883> ah yea you are
[00:28] <Ineedhelppls> :)
[00:28] <tgm4883> I just looked at the first couple octets  and made a bad guess
[00:28] <Ineedhelppls> hey, that's a pretty cool skill
[00:28] <tgm4883> ok, so in any case, you've tried us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[00:28] <Ineedhelppls> yessir
[00:28] <Ineedhelppls> that was what I started with
[00:28] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: not really. One of our datacenters has the same first few :)
[00:30] <sary> try switching the server to mirror.es.its.nyu.edu/ Ineedhelppls
[00:30] <Ineedhelppls> current DNS results:
[00:30] <Ineedhelppls> https://thepasteb.in/p/1jhnW0nvNPOIB
[00:30] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: can you browse to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/
[00:31] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: yes I can
[00:32] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: interesting. Can you "wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/Release"
[00:32] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: yup!
[00:32] <Ineedhelppls> works fine
[00:32] <Ineedhelppls> so strange, I just don't understand what's happening here...
[00:32] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: another thing you can try is to move /var/lib/apt/list/* out of the way, the files in there should regenerate on 'sudo apt update'
[00:32] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: ^ that's a good idea
[00:33] <Ineedhelppls> because all of my apt update requests fail, the folder remains empty after I've moved the stuff
[00:34] <glitsj16> better put them back in that case, very odd indeed
[00:35] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: wait, every single one fails? Can you pastebin the full output of an 'sudo apt update'
[00:35] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: https://thepasteb.in/p/WnhzoQz2AWMiV
[00:36] <Ineedhelppls> maybe it's not every single one?
[00:36] <Ineedhelppls> I've also tried performing my updates in the unsafe mode to no avail
[00:36] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: are you behind a proxy?
[00:37] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: not that I'm aware of...
[00:37] <glitsj16> 'apt policy apt' shows expected package version, no PPA's in play etc?
[00:38] <Ineedhelppls> @glitsj16: not sure what this means... https://thepasteb.in/p/76hE70EwAkVUV
[00:39] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: it shows what apt knows in regards to available packages
[00:39] <glitsj16> but i can't find 1.2.19 in the official repos
[00:40] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: : i missed what ubuntu version you're on.. 17.04?
[00:41] <Ineedhelppls> glitsj16: 16.04
[00:41] <sary> you might need to see your /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:42] <tgm4883> 1.2.9 would be from -updates
[00:42] <tgm4883> 1.2.19 would be from -updates
[00:42] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: xenial has 1.2.20 currently, but if you couldn't update for a while that might not be the actual problem either
[00:43] <sary> also , is IPv6 enabled , disable it and try to update again ..
[00:43] <tgm4883> it's not ipv6
[00:43] <nicomachus> Sleaker: if you're still around, it looks like there are some assorted files in the Music/ directory that are just -rwxr-----
[00:43] <nicomachus> and those are the ones that mopidy can't read.
[00:43] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Ineedhelppls :: " sysop@x1604:~$ apt policy apt >>  Installed: 1.2.20 : .
[00:44] <tgm4883> well it shouldn't be anyway, considering apt isn't trying to connect on ipv6 and he's able to ping the ipv4
[00:44] <Sleaker> nicomachus: chmod 777 them or chmod +r them your choice.
[00:44] <nicomachus> can I not do the whole directory recursively?
[00:44] <Sleaker> 'man chmod' if you need more info on that.
[00:44] <Sleaker> you can
[00:45] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: can you go to http://whatismyipaddress.com/proxy-check and see if it detects a proxy
[00:45]  * tgm4883 is running out of ideas
[00:45] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: no proxy detected
[00:47] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: alright, had an idea. Booting up an old machine I had lying around, and I'm going to see if I can connect and run apt update over there
[00:48] <glitsj16> or a 16.04 live cd/usb
[00:52] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883 & glitsj16: for the first time, I've gained some insight into the problem!!!! It appears that I get the same errors in retreiving the release files from us.archive on this machine as well...
[00:52] <Ineedhelppls> I suppose this points to a broader connectivity issue on my ISP
[00:53] <glitsj16> looks like it yes
[00:53] <glitsj16> nice find :)
[00:53] <Ineedhelppls> but that still doesn't answer the question of why I was able to wget the file just fine??
[00:53] <nicomachus> port blocking issue on the ISP's end?
[00:53] <Ineedhelppls> It's on port 80...
[00:54] <iopq> Ctrl + 5 doesn't work inside my game, I'm using Unity - how do I debug this issue? I really don't want to install LXDE or something just to test it...
[00:55] <Ineedhelppls> a sample of my wget Release file:   https://thepasteb.in/p/RghnZpnpREDCz
[00:55] <Ineedhelppls> looks as it should?
[00:56] <Ineedhelppls> does apt have a different mechanism for fetching this file as compared to wget? My impression is that they should be exactly the same...
[00:56] <Ineedhelppls> this issue is driving me crazy X_X
[01:03] <glitsj16> looks quite regular, but i'm not exactly used to looking at these kind of files.. afaik apt uses connection methods filed in /usr/lib/apt/methods
[01:04] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: could in theory be the ISP blocking it, but I'm doubtful
[01:04] <Ineedhelppls> but then wget shouldn't work tgm4883?
[01:04] <Ineedhelppls> I think
[01:04] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: could be a layer 7 firewall
[01:04] <Ineedhelppls> In software-properties-gtk it indicates I'm using http to fetch
[01:04] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: but in the US, I'm doubtful that is what is happening
[01:05] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: it's trivial to block apt yet allow http downloads
[01:06] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: so does apt not use purely http?
[01:06] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: it does, but inspecting the traffic you can tell what it is
[01:06] <Ineedhelppls> hmm
[01:06] <Ineedhelppls> I'd like to think big brother isn't watching that closely haha
[01:07] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: I'd like to think so too
[01:07] <tgm4883> but it makes me wonder if https://ubuntu.osuosl.org/ubuntu/ would work for you
[01:07] <Ineedhelppls> I also don't know why they'd block apt, it's quite innocuous
[01:08] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: well it could be as simple as "allow http, block all"
[01:09] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: hooooollllllyy shiiiiit
[01:09] <Ineedhelppls> you are a god
[01:09] <Ineedhelppls> it works!!!!
[01:10] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: hmm, so me thinks something's inspecting your traffic
[01:10] <Ineedhelppls> I cannot believe how I've spent trying to fix this problem... but you got it, https seems to have done the trick
[01:10] <Ineedhelppls> *how long
[01:11] <Ineedhelppls> does that mean they're watching my porn? :P
[01:11] <glitsj16> first and foremost
[01:11] <iopq> I only get a keyup event, not a keydown event when I hit Cltr+5, how do I fix it?
[01:11] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: probably not. Could be traffic shaping, some sort of proxy/cacheing, something misconfigured
[01:11] <iopq> my keyboard doesn't actually send Ctrl+5 wtf
[01:12] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883 & glitsj16: thanks so much for your help, it is deeply appreciated. It's folk like y'all that make the ubuntu community amazing
[01:13] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: that steam, and this insufferabally slow download ;)
[01:13] <tgm4883> thank steam*
[01:14] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: hahaha, what game? Thank you based steam
[01:14] <iopq> is it possible to download new usb keyboard drivers
[01:14] <tgm4883> dying light
[01:14] <glitsj16> Ineedhelppls: kind words, and yet something in the back of my head seems to yell 'change ISP' :p
[01:14] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: good stuff, well I hope you enjoy it :)
[01:14] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: I will, in somewhere between 6 minutes and more than 1 year from now
[01:15] <Ineedhelppls> glitsj16: I wish, I'm locked in by my ap
[01:15] <Ineedhelppls> *apt
[01:15] <rolandbeowulf> Recently, whenever i try to apt-get install something, the connection to au.archive.ubuntu.com stays at 0% for like 5 minutes before the install actually starts, anyone happen to know what might be the issue?
[01:15] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: apartment? Do they provide the internet?
[01:15] <glitsj16> what a strange situation.. is that legal?
[01:16] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: yes indeed, and I'm paying so little in rent... I don't actually pay for my utilities
[01:16] <Ineedhelppls> It's a bundle deal
[01:16] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: I'd 99% guarentee that they are proxying that then
[01:17] <Ineedhelppls> tgm4883: what makes you say that? If the proxy test came back negative
[01:18] <sary> rolandbeowulf: run $ apt clean , $ apt check $ aptitude update
[01:19] <glitsj16> rolandbeowulf: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors has more info on mirror status, you might want to try a few others
[01:20] <Ineedhelppls> well, now to install the 200+ updates I have backlogged...
[01:20] <glitsj16> :) enjoy
[01:22] <tgm4883> Ineedhelppls: because they would most likely be doing something to "protect" their network
[01:22] <tgm4883> and because of the issues you've been dealing with
[01:29] <arktvrvs> hi im trying to apt install clang:i386 but it tells me "depends on (x)...which will not be installed"  .. why will (x) not be installed? when i try to install (x) it tells me "depends on (other stuff)... that will not be installed"?
[01:30] <sary> That ^ is wjy i prefer nix over apt..
[01:31] <arktvrvs> nix? is that a program or code for "do it yourself, by hand" ?
[01:32] <h00k> hi there
[01:32] <arktvrvs> hi
[01:32] <sary> Nix is a Purely Functional Package Manager.
[01:33] <sary> you may want to consult man apt .. as to why!
[01:36] <shiznix> Ubuntu just upgraded it's kernel to 4.10.0-28 but didn't install any of it's kernel modules :(
[01:36] <shiznix> what's the accepted solution for when this happens?
[01:37] <shiznix> kernel boots but no hardware works now as modules missing :(
[01:38] <sary> shiznix: you need the linux-image-extra
[01:38] <shiznix> have tried...# apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-generic linux-image-4.10.0-28-generic linux-image-extra-4.10.0-28-generic
[01:38] <shiznix> which re-installs it as it should
[01:38] <sary> awaa
[01:39] <shiznix> during the re-install it says "Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file"
[01:39] <shiznix> but goes ahead with the install anyway
[01:40] <sary> does the /lib/modules exist though ..
[01:41] <shiznix> hmm...yes it does
[01:41] <shiznix> maybe it will work now
[01:42] <sary> shiznix: what does $ dkms status returns!
[01:43] <glitsj16> arktvrvs: those kind of errors are frequently caused by PPA's or broken sources.list.. you can check with 'apt policy <package-name> to see what versions of clang are available/installed currently .. although i'm not sure if that command supports the multilib stuff
[01:56] <shiznix> sary: Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file.
[01:56] <shiznix> File:  does not exist.
[01:57] <shiznix> it's only half messed now
[01:58] <shiznix> on a reboot many kernel modules are loaded now, but i need to manually modprobe the kernel's wifi driver
[01:58] <shiznix> not sure yet what other kernel modules it's missed :(
[02:05] <Bashing-om> shiznix: Begs the question, is dkms installed ? ' dpkg -l dkms ' .
[02:05] <shiznix> it is, but will try re-installing dkms related packages
[02:05] <sary> Perhaps you don't have any *-dkms package installed (and dkms does not
[02:07] <sary> from kernel module source, usually a package called foo-dkms and installing to /usr/src/foo-VERSION . see ls /var/lib/dkms -R
[02:15] <shiznix> sary: checking it...
[02:26] <tsarompy> hai #ubuntu <3
[02:33] <GreenDimond> So... I'm back.
[02:33] <GreenDimond> And I have a new problem.
[02:34] <GreenDimond> My computer has been freezing randomly.
[02:34] <GreenDimond> Completely locks up, no keyboard input or mouse or anything
[02:34] <GreenDimond> I have to force-shutdown
[02:35] <GreenDimond> And it probably isn't performance related
[02:35] <Bashing-om> GreenDimond: What release and is a nvidia graphic's card a factor ?
[02:35] <GreenDimond> because I can run Blender, YouTube, and another graphic-intense videogame without trouble, but it sometimes locks up randomly with only a few applications.
[02:35] <GreenDimond> I have Xubuntu 16.04
[02:36] <GreenDimond> And yes, I have an Nvidia graphics card, but no idea if that is whats causing it
[02:36] <GreenDimond> This has been happening ever since I put this PC together
[02:37] <Bashing-om> GreenDimond: I too had the freezing in xubuntu 16.04 . Since installing the proprietary driver have had no further issues .
[02:39] <GreenDimond> Bashing-om: Proprietary driver for my graphics card?
[02:40] <GreenDimond> Or for something else?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> GreenDimond: Affirmed . We spent 6 months looking for the cause of the freezes - nothing ever in the logs or any hints anwwhere of a failure . Just because I had nothing else to try installed the nvidia proprietary driver for my card . Solved !
[02:41] <GreenDimond> :(
[02:41] <GreenDimond> Bashing-om, remember a few months ago when I had trouble with my graphics card resolution?
[02:42] <Bashing-om> gtt: I got real short attention span . So sorry .. out of my ram :)
[02:43] <GreenDimond> I had switched from neuvavu to the Nvidia proprietary and the res got messed up, but then you helped me fix it. So it is using a proprietary driver already..
[02:44] <GreenDimond> so obviously using the proprietary didnt fix the freeze problem :/
[02:48] <tsarompy> has anyone tried artful yet?
[02:53] <Bashing-om> GreenDimond: Ouch ! .. Then all I can suggest is start reading the logs looking for errors . and in a new terminal on the most active window run ' tail -f /var/log/syslog ' see if ya can capture an event in real time . Maybe 'top' will give some hints ?
[02:54] <GreenDimond> Alright
[02:54] <GreenDimond> thanks anyway :)
[02:54] <sary> what Bashing-om said , also #see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze GreenDimond
[02:55] <GreenDimond> alrighty
[02:55] <GreenDimond> ty
[02:58] <sary> tsarompy: i've tried it.. not impressed! can't wait for 18.04 .
[03:22] <shiznix> sary: excellent, thanks for your help :)
[03:22] <tsarompy> why not impressed sary
[03:22] <tsarompy> whats wrong with it
[03:23] <shiznix> manually deleting everything in 'ls /var/lib/dkms -R' and re-installing the relevant packages that provided those files has dkms working again
[03:24] <shiznix> this is the first time i've had a problem with Ubuntu's kernel installation
[03:25] <shiznix> but it's also the first time i'd clicked 'OK' to install updates in the gui-fied 'Software Updater'
[03:25] <shiznix> might just be some crazy coincidence but i won't risk doing that again
[03:26] <[n0mad]> my gui updater never pops up since i installed 16.04 on 2 different systems
[03:28] <Bashing-om> [n0mad]: inattended-upgrades in effect : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades .
[03:28] <Bashing-om> unattended*
[03:30] <[n0mad]> that's present...a lot of // which i'm guessing is comments in the file
[03:31] <[n0mad]> seems that some things aren't commented at the top
[03:32] <[n0mad]> i'm really not too worried about it
[03:32] <[n0mad]> i apt upgrade quite a bit
[03:43] <Bashing-om> [n0mad]: Me too for hn\ands on . see also : /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades . Good docs about the unattended upgrade feature : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2339387 .
[03:51] <BlitzerHound> So I know this channel says it's for official ubuntu releases, but is there a place I can go to ask about installing other types of linux? Or does anyone know anything about what's up with the "Furry Remixes"?
[03:51] <[n0mad]> whoa...yeah...seems much easier to just manually update lol
[03:51] <BlitzerHound> I'm mostly just curious about whether it's just like wallpapers and stuff or if it's actually a different OS
[03:54] <[n0mad]> BlitzerHound: you could /msg alis list *searchterm* . i can't speak too much to furry remix but it appears it was discontinued some time ago
[03:55] <BlitzerHound> Oh. So then it wouldn't be smart to switch to something discontinued right?
[03:56] <[n0mad]> based on what i read it was just ubuntu with wallpapers/theming added
[03:57] <rpifan> how do i enable hot corners in unity to show the desktop
[03:58] <[n0mad]> i wouldn't want something discontinued. i'd want something that i know i'm getting security updates on and that has a user base for support
[04:23] <sary> shiznix: np, you've fixed it :).. i've only point you to it.
[04:33] <k-man> whats the keyboard shortcut to bring up the search from the desktop in ubunutu?
[04:37] <oerheks> k-man, hold 'winkey' to see all shortcuts
[04:38] <k-man> nothing happens. this is on a new dell laptop that cape pre-installed with ubuntu
[04:39] <oerheks> it should work on the standard ubuntu+unity
[04:42] <adityaduggal> hi can any one help me with a problem with bluetooth
[04:42] <adityaduggal> I am unable to know if its a hardware problem or software problem
[04:43] <Blue1> When I click on a link in thunderbird, firefox moves from one desktop to where thunderbird is.  How do I prevent this?
[05:02] <Hoffman> My linux setup is booting from grub, directly and instantly to a black screen, no disk activity of booting... *UNLESS* I have the kernel args "quiet" AND "splash"
[05:02] <Hoffman> adding those args causes the disk to get activity during the boot process, causes the boot to actually happen
[05:02] <Hoffman> anyone ever hear of anything this wacky?
[05:03] <rpifan> do you need to change it for any reason?
[05:04] <Hoffman> I'd like to not have the splash screen, and instead watch the normal boot messages scroll by
[05:05] <Hoffman> but I've no idea why *not* having "quiet" and "splash" would halt the boot process before said messages even occur
[05:06] <akik> Hoffman: what's the last message you see?
[05:06] <Hoffman> akik: there's literally none
[05:06] <Hoffman> no text flashing across the screen, just straight from the grub menu to black
[05:07] <rpifan> well you can check the systemd init to see what it says
[05:07] <Hoffman> it never picks anything up, I guess the failure happens before that
[05:07] <akik> Hoffman: try also setting GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[05:07] <Hoffman> wait, maybe Im looking at the wrong log
[05:07] <Hoffman> how would I check systemd init
[05:08] <Hoffman> oh, also I tried adding debug lines into the grub boot, the last line output is before initrd is loaded, then the screen clears
[05:08] <Hoffman> thats when hdd activity stops
[05:09] <rpifan>    i meant systemd boot
[05:09] <rpifan> not init thats gone lol
[05:10] <Hoffman> rpifan: how do I check that
[05:12] <akik> Hoffman: also you could try to boot with adding "nomodeset" to the kernel options
[05:12] <rpifan> take a look at journalctl
[05:12] <m4dh4tt4> does anyone know if adaptec PCI-X raid is native? where can i check that, (16.04)
[05:13] <Hoffman> akik: nomodeset does nothin' unless the other two options are set
[05:13] <Hoffman> rpifan: for sure journalctl never picks anything up
[05:13] <Hoffman> the boot halts before that
[05:13] <Hoffman> brb gonna try that GRUB_TERMINAL=console arg
[05:16] <m4dh4tt4> wondering what chances i have that i dont struggle with my 16tb raid
[05:23] <javnut> I've got a bunch of folders, how do I find out the exact size in MiB so I can create a partition of that exact size?
[05:23] <javnut> I tried du --block-size=MiB but it still says it's too small
[05:28] <javnut> got it, size should be 1024KiB
[05:30] <m4dh4tt4> ls -alh or du -h
[05:30] <m4dh4tt4> df -h for partitions
[05:40] <CyberTex> Ubuntu budgie applets have a .plugin file. Where can I find the documentation for what attributes one can set in that file? I'm trying to set the attribute Icon to a none defualt (symbolic) icon.
[05:41] <CyberTex> Also is it easy to add a custom icon to the symbolic icons list ? ( In Raven)
[05:42] <CyberTex> What I mean by a symbolic icon settings is something similar to this "Icon=view-grid-symbolic". I did "Icon=/absolute/path/myicon.png" and it didn't work (Duh!)
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> CyberTex: if it can help, there's a small #ubuntu-budgie channel aswell
[05:52] <CyberTex> lotuspsychje: Thank you. Why are the ubuntu budgie community are using gitter anyway....hippies. JK all <3 to the community.
[06:07] <hal9k2> hi, can you tell me if there is a possibility to use local microphone while in rdesktop session? can find a proper command for it.
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> !details | hal9k2 explain what you want to do exactly?
[06:41] <fishcooker> how to disable apt job on 25 6    * * *   root    test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) ?
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> !cron | fishcooker
[06:45] <fishcooker> yes i want to disable the /etc/cron.daily/apt only lotuspsychje
[06:46] <CyberTex> Guys, I would like to report a WiFi bug affecting all Ubuntu 16+ users in our department. I'm not a network admistrator , just another developer. Can somebody walk me through reporting the bug in a meanginful way. The bug is prevent us from connnecting to the wifi network, I say it's a bug because only Ubuntu 16+ users are affected. MAC,Windows,iOS and Android users can connect. Notably older Ubuntu versions can connect ( Ubuntu 14 i
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> CyberTex: you on latest 16.04.2?
[06:48] <fishcooker> me too lotuspsychje
[06:48] <CyberTex> lotuspsychje:  17.04
[06:49] <CyberTex> I have another collegue using 16 and he's experincing the same issue
[06:50] <fishcooker> which brand of wifi adapter of laptop or PC, CyberTex
[06:50] <Ben64> CyberTex: need details about the issue
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> CyberTex: we need more details to get that solved
[06:51] <CyberTex> Sure Shoot me the commands and I'll excute them and post all the info you need
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> CyberTex: sudo lshw -C network would be a good start
[06:54] <CyberTex> lotuspsychje: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25123881/
[06:59] <vompatti> hi, I'm running ubuntu 16.04 and I have dns problems. Does ubuntu cache any dns queries?
[07:01] <vompatti> with `nmcli dev show` I can see that the (only) dns server in use is my router (which I control) but nslookup for app.tempo.io gives me different results than the router it self gives when running nslookup through it's admin UI (ubuntu is the one giving the wrong results)
[07:28] <iopq> when I use this website: http://unixpapa.com/js/testkey.html and I press Ctrl+5 I don't have a key down event when I hit 5
[07:28] <iopq> it also doesn't work in Starcraft
[07:31] <cathode> hi
[07:33] <cathode> having a issue here with the iscsi target on ubuntu server 17.04.... i had a ZFS zvol when i was running freebsd before, and the zvol was exported with freebsd's built-in iscsi target. now that the ZFS pool is imported onto my ubuntu box, and i try and use the iscsi target to export the same zvol, on the initiator side it shows up at twice the size and corrupted
[07:33] <cathode> it's a 1TB zvol, on the initiator it shows up as exactly 2TB
[07:33] <cathode> and the filesystem that was on it (NTFS) is unreadable
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> cathode: perhaps the #ubuntu-server guys might be more use for you
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> cathode: also for ubuntu server its recommended to choose LTS if its production
[07:35] <cathode> it's a home lab, i'm not concerned
[07:35] <cathode> i came here cause i assumed at midnight there might not be much activity in #ubuntu-server
[07:36] <cathode> anyway i guess what i'm trying to figure out is why is a block device getting exported differently between two different target daemons?
[07:49] <fishcooker> CyberTex: is your network manager problem solved... which desktop manager do you use ?
[07:50] <Disgeae> Is there any decent way to install zsh 5.3 on Ubuntu 14.04 or is that impossible?
[07:52] <CyberTex> fishcooker:  No, It's Ben64  like that for the last three months :( . (Missing with ya Ben64 )
[07:54] <CyberTex> I have talked about it here a lot. This time I'm trying not to induce any conlusion. Leaving it to the peeps right here
[07:55] <CyberTex> fishcooker: I'm not trying to solve it this time. If I could report it, that would be great.
[07:56] <fishcooker> noted CyberTex
[07:59] <DanteEdward> Question
[08:00] <DanteEdward> If I can't configure per-screensaver options from within the Cinnamon scrensaver prompt
[08:00] <DanteEdward> Then is there a way that I can configure the settings from outside the prompt?
[08:01] <DanteEdward> i.e.: editing a text file of some description
[08:05] <CyberTex> fishcooker:  I did a lot a research about it. I have a conclusion but I could be wrong. Again , won't share it to keep this investigation goin in its path. If they came to the same conclusion we could get the attention of Jeremy Bicha or some other big dude in community
[08:10] <CyberTex> fishcooker:  I already tried reporting it to our network department. Their incompetent team told they'll contact "CISCO" bout it. Been a while , no reply. Figures , Windows addicts don't care about Ubuntu. Their head stopped responding to my emails ( 4th email , I hate nagging).
[08:10] <oerheks> DanteEdward, sounds like your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1557469
[08:11] <oerheks> i find no config file for cinnamon
[08:11] <Trioxin> need help: http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/17/0719/h_1500451753_4430714_a363030b95.png
[08:17] <ayrus> Hi, where is my root volume is mounted? https://pastebin.com/Kw27gpbG lsblk is howing xvda1 is on root and df -h says xvdh1. how that work?
[08:17] <ayrus> lsblk is *showing*
[08:20] <m4dh4tt4>  probably -> /
[08:20] <m4dh4tt4> lol
[08:21] <Trioxin> i try to boot and this is what I get. I copied the root partition contents off, formatted it with f2fs, then copied it back. i changed ext4 to f2fs in fstab
[08:21] <Trioxin> http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/17/0719/h_1500451753_4430714_a363030b95.png
[08:21] <ayrus> m4dh4tt4: :/
[08:21] <blackflow> Guys, question. In 16.10 I could create a wifi hotspot using network manager just fine. Same hardware, one Ubuntu release later, I no longer can. I create the hotspot and..... nothing. Doesn't do anything. And nothing in the logs.
[08:21] <m4dh4tt4> blackflow permissions maybe?
[08:26] <CyberTex> fishcooker: I have a meeting right now. Will disconnect (No wifi). Maybe I can resume with y'all later.
[08:28] <blackflow> m4dh4tt4: no, and sorry about nothing in the logs. journald is idiotic. you have to be explicit about -p err. dnsmasq was missing so I installed it but now it complains about failure to create sockets, address already in use
[08:29] <blackflow> but the subnet is something dnsmasq creates, so I have no clue what now
[08:36] <m4dh4tt4> does your hotspot show up (can it be seen by client)? if so can it connect?
[08:36] <m4dh4tt4> you might just be having a dns issue
[08:36] <m4dh4tt4> if client connects, try a ping <IP_ADDRESS> and a nslookup google.com
[08:42] <vlt> ayrus: Can you show the output of blkid and df -h?
[08:58] <ktechmidas> anyone know where I can get the ubuntu drivers for the Dell XPS 13 9360?
[08:58] <ktechmidas> we have one with Windows 10 preinstalled... they provide a developer edition version, but they won't give us it
[08:58] <ktechmidas> installing vanilla ubuntu... the backlight controls or FN keys don't work :(
[09:02] <ayrus> vlt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25124273/ I have to increase the root volume size. I don't know which disk should I increase. got confused. xdfh1 is 40 GB xvda1 is also 40GB, but if xvda1 is the root then xvda is 80Gb,and xvda is having no other partition. so in this case i can resize the xvda1 to 80 gb
[09:06] <ayrus> vlt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25124292/ is having output of mount and cat /etc/fstab as well, fstab is not having entry of mount point.
[09:17] <Esti_Qatzi> hi
[09:17] <Esti_Qatzi> i'm creating a custom iso starting from the official iso
[09:18] <Esti_Qatzi> i ran apt update && upgrade while chrooting
[09:18] <Esti_Qatzi> but the new iso doesn't boot
[09:20] <Esti_Qatzi> initramfs tells me that there aren't squashfs bootable
[09:22] <Esti_Qatzi> "unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[09:33] <vlt> ayrus: Your /etc/fstab specifies the LABEL "cloudimg-rootfs". This is used by more than one available file systems.
[09:33] <vlt> ayrus: I have no idea whether df or mount is right.
[09:35] <vlt> ayrus: I'd propably just try to find out which device is actually read from when dd'ing a large file to /dev/null :-D
[09:43] <ayrus> vlt: thanks for the suggestion for adding a large file
[09:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:36] <ayrus> vlt: found xvdfh is mounted as root.
[10:53] <cleeter> Could somebody answer a question for me?  Which package should I use for php stuff?  There is php-common and php7.0-common.  Why are there two, and which one is the proper one to use?
[10:57] <cleeter> Anyone there who could answer why there are two packages with similar names?
[10:57] <cleeter> There is, for example, a package in Ubuntu called php-common and another called php7.0-common.  Why are there two, and which one is the proper one to use?
[10:58] <pax_rhos> hello, advise me some program that can record some area on the screen and save it as a thin gif or at least as a thin video?
[10:58] <pax_rhos> I used snagit on windows, but I'm not on windows anymoar
[11:05] <m4dh4tt4> vokoscreen will do it, can do area/window/full monitor, can also tweak quality to get desired video size as well as record audio and even webcam
[11:13] <cleeter> Nobody has a good answer for why a there are two packages in Ubuntu: one called php-common and another called php7.0-common.  Which one is the proper one to use?
[11:16] <EriC^^> !info php-common
[11:16] <EriC^^> cleeter: which ubuntu version?
[11:19] <cleeter> Ubuntu 16.04
[11:19] <cleeter> !info php-common
[11:20] <cleeter> It's not just php-common, I'm trying to figure out the whole rationale and structure for all these php packages
[11:20] <cleeter> Another example: php7.0-mysql vs. php-mysql
[11:20] <cleeter> Why are there two different packages, and which one should I use?  Again, Ubuntu LTS 16.04
[11:21] <nacc> cleeter: use the non versioned
[11:21] <nacc> cleeter: they will always depend on the correct underlying version
[11:21] <oerheks> php-mysql - This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default
[11:21] <oerheks> PHP version (currently 7.0).
[11:22] <nacc> cleeter: only install a versioned dep if you need a version (and note that 7.0 is no longer availble, e.g., in 17.10+ (and hopefully, 7.1 will be replaced by 7.2 in 18.04)
[11:22] <nacc> cleeter: well, versioned dep is the wrong term, sorry -- versioned package name
[11:22] <nacc> cleeter: but as oerheks said, a trivial `apt show` would tell you what you need to know
[11:24] <cleeter> dependency package...
[11:25] <cleeter> is that the same thing as meta package?  Is there a page that explains these terms?
[11:27] <bazhang> !metapackage | cleeter
[11:27] <bazhang> like ubuntu-desktop cleeter , it drags in all the ubuntu desktop packages
[11:28] <cleeter> is a meta package and a dependency package the same thing?
[11:28] <nacc> cleeter: no
[11:28] <nacc> cleeter: well, not generally
[11:28] <nacc> cleeter: i don't know why that terminology is used in this case
[11:28] <nacc> cleeter: i think it's meant to reflect that it will always "depend" on the right versioned package
[11:29] <nacc> cleeter: wherease a metapackage is a package that has no content and depend on other packages so they all get installed
[11:31] <cleeter> OK next question then
[11:31] <cleeter> Is it a problem if I have both the php7.0- versions of packages and the php- versions installed at the same time?
[11:31] <oerheks> the php7.0-common is the dependenciepackage, the php7.0 the metapackage, afaik
[11:31] <nacc> cleeter: well, the php- versions install the php7.0-version
[11:32] <nacc> cleeter: but you generally don't want to manually install the php7.0- version, as then when you eventually upgrade, they will stay installed even though they are no longer used
[11:33] <cleeter> oerheks: I don't think that's right.
[11:33] <cleeter> nacc: Ok, that makes sense
[11:33] <cleeter> nacc: can I find out which were manually installed ?
[11:33] <nacc> cleeter: i think apt-mark can you show you, but i'm not 100%
[11:35] <cleeter> nacc: I think you're right. I just did apt-mark showmanual
[11:35] <nacc> cleeter: cool
[11:35] <oerheks> i use synaptic, pretty good detailed softwarecenter with descriptions
[11:36] <oerheks> but cli is master :-D
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria ; )
[11:46] <ioria> lotuspsychje, lotussssssssssss
[12:05] <e14> anyone gotten trackpad gestures to work successfully on ubuntu?
[12:07] <doublel93> Hello, I think that when modifying groups of my user I lost the sudoers privilege, I have no idea on how to get it back, what can I do ?  "is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[12:09] <doublel93> Also trying to set a root password, but without the user beeing able to sudo, I can't do any command
[12:10] <scottjl> doublel93: log out and back in and see if you can sudo again
[12:11] <S1GM4> If you still can't fix, give me IP of your box and I'll hax0r it and set up a new super user for you with my 1337 sk111z
[12:11] <S1GM4> ...
[12:11]  * S1GM4 wishes ;_;
[12:12] <doublel93> scottjl: didn't work , the commands I remember I gave where: ["useradd -G docker myuser", "newgrp docker"] or similiar
[12:13] <cleeter> doublel93: try https://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password or https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-reset-lost-root-password-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus-linux
[12:14] <doublel93> cleeter: so I should do this for the root account ? I remember the password of the user account
[12:14] <scottjl> doublel93: yeah. the -G screwed you. pulled you out of wheel group.
[12:15] <scottjl> doublel93: you'll have to reboot in single user mode and manually re-add yourself to group "sudo"
[12:15] <doublel93> scottjl: what would be the command that I should issue in the root shell to get back on the group ?
[12:15] <scottjl> doublel93: vigr   then add your user id to the end of the line "sudo"
[12:15] <scottjl> or "vi /etc/group"
[12:15] <scottjl> or nano if you prefer nano
[12:16] <doublel93> ok thank you
[12:16] <Ntemis> hello
[12:16] <EriC^^> doublel93: usermod -aG sudo <your user>
[12:16] <S1GM4> what ever happen to pico
[12:17] <scottjl> EriC^^: he doesn't have sudo access, so he can't usermod
[12:17] <EriC^^> scottjl: from single user mode
[12:17] <scottjl> EriC^^: oh i guess he could do that from root login. i'm too old school. i just vi the files
[12:17] <Ntemis> i have a headache-abled flickering issue in my terminal and while compiling is a pita
[12:18] <Ntemis> and way to fix this?
[12:18] <S1GM4> warrrgarble, I have a machine that has about half a dozen domains pointed at the IP it is on. Changing from around 100mbps or so to 500mbps but had to change providers
[12:18] <scottjl> Ntemis: close your eyes? look away from screen? watch pr0n?
[12:18] <S1GM4> Please pray for me and my family in this time of need. :(
[12:18] <Ntemis> scottjl: turn off your pc
[12:19] <S1GM4> Ntemis: Heroin would be easier to quit.
[12:19] <Ntemis> lol
[12:20] <Ntemis> i found a solution close to scottjl. i wont be using terminal
[12:21] <doublel93> thanks to that link, I managed to get root access in recovery mode and myself back to the group, now it works, Thanks a lot!
[12:22] <scottjl> doublel93: the group file is simply a text file you can edit, might be safer than usermod :-)
[12:23] <doublel93> I agree with you after this experience :p
[12:23] <scottjl> same thing for passwd.
[12:24] <Southern_Gentlem> scottjl, hopefully your password is encrypted
[12:24] <scottjl> Southern_Gentlem: my password isn't in the passwd file, it's in shadow.
[12:25] <EriC^^> there's vigr and vipw
[12:25] <Southern_Gentlem> exactly so it will not be in plain text so editing the shadow file will break more than fixing
[12:26] <scottjl> Southern_Gentlem: i don't recall telling anyone to edit /etc/shadow directly.
[12:26] <scottjl> i said /etc/group and /etc/passwd.
[12:26] <EriC^^> doublel93: scottjl if you ever need to manually edit those files you can use vigr and vipw , it does syntax checking before saving so you dont get locked out
[12:27] <scottjl> EriC^^: i've been editing passwd files for over 30 years. i don't really need the checking. :-)
[12:28] <EriC^^> ok :D your pc your call
[12:28] <scottjl> i actually manage my users through puppet anyway. at least at work.
[12:36] <TsakNorris> Hello
[12:37] <TsakNorris> I have 16.04 LTS Ubuntu and im wondering how i can speed up the mouse pointer while using KEYPAD. There isn't any adjustment bars anymore.
[12:44] <Disgeae> Hmm.. I got an audio specific question, but I don't really know where to ask elsewise. I wanna buy a Schiit Stack (Modi / Magni) but I'm unsure about the Linux (Ubuntu) support
[12:45] <Disgeae> I asked their techs already but get this answer: 'As far as I know ubuntu handles USB Audio Class 2, I'm afraid I don't have any first hand experience with it though.'
[12:45] <Disgeae> http://schiit.com/products/modi-2
[12:45] <Disgeae> It's about this product, anyone has any experience with it?
[12:45] <TsakNorris> Dang! I should use screen :D I come later again to ask.
[12:46] <Pici> Disgeae: perhaps #ubuntustudio
[12:46] <Disgeae> Is that about audiostuff?
[12:47] <Pici> Disgeae: yep
[12:49] <Disgeae> Thanks!
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  any idea which audio chjip it uses ?
[12:51] <solata10> hello
[12:51] <solata10> is there a way to set mic boost to really high value ? (in sound control ui i can set it above 100% ... but its maybe 150% ... and i need more like 400%)
[12:51] <BluesKaj> solata10:  sounds like the mic needs a preamp
[12:52] <solata10> there is nothing like software preamp for alsa or sth?
[12:52] <Disgeae> BluesKaj: I'm not sure, I think they're using something of their own tbh, else I knew the answer as well if it works or not
[12:52] <solata10> as i can get nice recording if i amplify with audacity ...
[12:53] <solata10> just looking for something that would do that on-the-fly
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  I'm sure the techs would know, if it's simalar to my m-audio Delta 192 the most high end cards use the same chips and circuitry
[12:56] <BluesKaj> the=then
[12:57] <Disgeae> BluesKaj: I asked, thanks.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> a lot of them use the VIA ice-1712 or 1724 drivers, Disgeae
[12:58] <eising> hey, is there any way to track a source package that existed as one package in ubuntu 14.04, but has been split up later? It was called "mesa" in 14.04, but I can't figure out what the equivalent package is in 17.04
[12:59] <BluesKaj> eising:  it's still mesa afaik
[12:59] <eising> ok
[13:00] <BluesKaj> eising:  check your package manager as a reference
[13:00] <eising> yeah, I found out that I didn't have all deb-src entries uncommented
[13:00] <eising> thanks for the help :)
[13:00] <solata10> is ubuntu 16.04 using alsa at all ? its installed, but there is no /etc/asound.conf ?
[13:00] <Disgeae> BluesKaj: Do you have any experiene with the CA0132 by any chance? Using that device now but it seems a hell with ubuntu right now.
[13:01] <Disgeae> I got it to work twice for a few minutes in month now, cba with it anymore.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> solata10:  asound is no longer used, but alsa is still around
[13:01] <solata10> BluesKaj, location of config file changed ? or ? how can i configure alsa ?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> solata10:  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[13:04] <solata10> thanks
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  no experience with the CA0132, but I'm looking
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  check the first post here, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147443
[13:13] <oerheks> with kernel 4.8 it should work https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=220852
[13:17] <Disgeae> Seen that and tried all of them BluesKaj
[13:17] <Disgeae> I'll check kernel when home.
[13:18] <Disgeae> 'but now it is "ca0132 DSP downloaded and running"' I get this message as well, it's just not working
[13:18] <maze88> hello world
[13:19] <maze88> am i in the right place for troubleshooting?
[13:20] <scottjl> depends on your issue. let us hear it
[13:20] <oerheks> maze88, ask, wait and see
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  check alsamixer in the console, make sure automute is disabled and unmute with M any needed ctls, make sure 00 instead ofMM
[13:20] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[13:21] <maze88> my [ubuntu ] laptop fell on my cat, and now it's stuck on top of the refridgerator.... please help.
[13:22] <scottjl> i can fix that easy, /ignore maze88
[13:22] <Disgeae> BluesKaj: checked that all, did pretty much all possible things, things from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1166529 etc.
[13:22] <oerheks> turn off the cat, open fridge
[13:23] <maze88> also; i have issues with lock-ups when changing users on my asus laptop that has integrated and dedicated graphics on it (i am suspicious this has something indirect to do with the issue).
[13:23] <maze88> lol@scott (:
[13:23] <jmg8766> does anyone have any clue why the python in bluez-test-audio is failing? it is a permission issue with dbus libraries? http://lpaste.net/357035
[13:26] <pravin> Hello, I have a network printer canon iR3230 connected to my home network which works fine when I try to print over Ethernet cable but doesn't even responds over wifi
[13:27] <pravin> while it is connected to the same network via wifi router
[13:29] <pravin> Hello, I have a network printer canon iR3230 connected to my home network which works fine when I try to print over Ethernet cable but doesn't even responds over wifi while it is connected to the same network.
[13:29] <rory> sudo xargs, or xargs sudo?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel, then reboot , if the driver loads there's no ouput
[13:39] <BluesKaj> itr's an old bug that keeps recurring, not always , but often enough to be frustarting
[13:42] <Disgeae> I'll try when home but I don't think that's gonna be a solution actually
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Disgeae:  I had to run it yesterday aamof...I know it;s seems like a simple fix, but one can never tell when the module unloads
[13:46] <ermac0> anyone remember that website(i know real helpful) that allowed you to have a free ubuntu console, came with development tools for your website and allowed you too edit your JS, xhtml files as needed in visudo. I forgot the name of that thing. The console would load up an ubuntu session in the website it self.
[13:47] <ermac0> guess i'll continue searching the interwebs
[13:48] <Disgeae> I tried that in my local.rc file and such but that didn't work, I could try the manual fix yeah BluesKaj, worth the shot.
[13:48] <scottjl> sure sounds like a lot to give away for free.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Disgeae: it won't hurt anything :-)
[13:49] <oerheks> enough free online shells, never heard ubuntu is one of them
[13:52] <leftyfb> ermac0: shellinabox
[13:53] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's an application that runs a term in a web browser
[13:54] <scottjl> looks like it hasn't been updated in 5 years. ouch.
[13:56] <TzmFen> Hello.. i need some help on filesystem repair on ubuntu 16.04 lts
[13:56] <scottjl> e2fsck /dev/XXXX -y
[13:56] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[13:57] <TzmFen> got told by my server provider that the filesystem is corrupted
[14:10] <dorkmafia> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a HP Z820
[14:11] <dorkmafia> in my bios setting: should I put the video options rom in efi mode
[14:12] <rory> dorkmafia: that sounds like an odd option, are you sure "efi" is for that "video options rom"?
[14:12] <rory> dorkmafia: what other options apart from efi are there?
[14:14] <rory> dorkmafia: OK I think I understand. You should use efi.
[14:14] <rory> dorkmafia: Unless it was set to "legacy" before, and you are dual booting with a Windows that was installed in "legacy" mode
[14:15] <maze88> dorkmafi: if you are installing from a USB bootable drive, the BIOS doesn't always recognise it. in that kind of case you should switch to UEFI (i might have completly derailed your question, feel free to disgard if irrelevant).
[14:15] <rory> IMO whatever it was on before, leave it on that
[14:16] <dorkmafia> rory I want to wipe and install only unbuntu
[14:16] <rory> then it doesn't matter.
[14:16] <dorkmafia> rory: when I set video options rom to efi mode the cpu gets mad and beeps at me
[14:16] <dorkmafia> and I have to reset the bios to get things booting again
[14:16] <rory> well I guess you answered your own question then :)
[14:17] <rory> try the other option
[14:17] <rory> neither of them will blow up your PC
[14:17] <dorkmafia> but when I try installing ubuntu the cpu just restarts
[14:17] <dorkmafia> after I select Install ubuntu
[14:17] <dorkmafia> I select "Install Ubuntu"
[14:17] <rory> that *could* just be bad installation media. Try "check installation media for defects" option
[14:18] <dorkmafia> i did
[14:18] <dorkmafia> i even tried installing from a cd
[14:18] <dorkmafia> cd => dvd
[14:19] <rory> OK so let me understand. You have 2 options. "efi" and "legacy". When selecting "efi" you are unable to do ANYTHING on your computer. When you select "legacy" you are able to reach the boot menu, but after selecting "install ubuntu" the PC restarts.
[14:19] <dorkmafia> so i'm in grub and I select "Install Ubuntu" the screen goes black it tries to switch to the install menu then restarts
[14:19] <rory> Is that right?
[14:19] <dorkmafia> correct
[14:20] <dorkmafia> I'm using similar options to this: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/314799-guide-z820-el-capitan-the-great-guide-sucess/
[14:20] <rory> if you change to efi and reboot, are you able to enter the BIOS menu?
[14:20] <dorkmafia> rory no I have to flash the bios
[14:20] <dorkmafia> My bios settings are the same as the link I pasted except for the video optioms rom
[14:21] <rory> I think if one of them is set to EFI, they all should be. And if one is set to legacy, they all should be
[14:22] <dorkmafia> k
[14:22] <dorkmafia> i can try all legacy
[14:22] <dorkmafia> i think I have before but it's been awhile
[14:23] <Hanumaan> had some problem and had reinstall operating system but the data folder of the postgresql 9.5 is intact now after fresh installation(ubuntu 16.04) how to reconnect to the data? I changed the path in postgresql.conf but pg_lsclusters still shows it is down after restarting the psql
[14:23] <BluesKaj> dorkmafia:  you don't have a bios, it's been rteplaced by UEFI
[14:24] <dorkmafia> ok
[14:24] <BluesKaj> no bios pcs have been sold since 2010
[14:24] <BluesKaj> do you still have windows on it ?
[14:25] <dorkmafia> rory same results
[14:25] <dorkmafia> i'm using a usb key to install
[14:25] <dorkmafia> I forgot what's on my ssd
[14:25] <dorkmafia> I just want to wipe the hard drive and install ubuntu
[14:25] <BluesKaj> !uefi
[14:26] <dorkmafia> I set everything to legacy and the computer still just restarts
[14:26] <dorkmafia> after I select Install Ubuntu
[14:27] <BluesKaj> dorkmafia:  you could wipe the drive and use a dos partition table instead of gpt and you won't have to deal with uefi , just choose the legacy mode, rather drastic, but it works
[14:28] <dorkmafia> I see this screen: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445084.png
[14:28] <dorkmafia> even when I set everything to legacy
[14:30] <BluesKaj> i couldn't make out what was on that screen
[14:31] <dorkmafia> on the link you sent me with the !uefi
[14:31] <dorkmafia> it says that if you see the black screen with the install ubuntu option
[14:31] <dorkmafia> "If the BIOS is set up to boot the CD in UEFI mode, then you will see the screen below:"
[14:34] <konrados> Hello. When I use the 'gnome-disk-utility' as suggested here - https://askubuntu.com/a/59077/623186 it tells me 'disk ok, 42 bad sectors'. This is about by sda dra drive. Then when I do smartctl --all /dev/sda I get this: https://fkcd.ca/URL - I can't see information about 'bad sectors' but I can see "Error xyz occurred at disk power-on lifetime" multiple times. Tried to google it, but can't find information what it *means* (only a suggestion
[14:34] <konrados> like "You need to look at a 'smartctl -a /dev/hdb |grep -i power_on' to get the current age of the disk" but no explanation what is this error or if I should be worried).
[14:35] <konrados> Is there something more I should do? Except for making backups everyday :)?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> dorkmafia:  in bios/uefi make sure you use legacy support in the boot mode, boot priority is legacy first, and usb boot is enabled.If you have bios backflash inconfiguration, enable that too.
[14:37] <scottjl> konrados: have smartctl run a test on the drive.
[14:39] <dorkmafia> ok let me check
[14:39] <scottjl> konrados: i'd recommend a long test. but it can take hours (depending on size of drive)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> dorkmafia: coorection:  in bios/uefi make sure you use legacy support in the boot mode, boot priority, legacy first, and usb boot is enabled. If you have bios backflash in configuration, enable that too.
[14:41] <dorkmafia> ok i disabled uefi boot lets see
[14:42] <dorkmafia> i'm not sure what bios backflash is
[14:42] <dorkmafia> ok I saw this screen
[14:43] <dorkmafia> the non uefi one
[14:43] <dorkmafia> so that worked
[14:43] <dorkmafia> but then the computer just restrated again
[14:43] <BluesKaj> dorkmafia:  you probly don't have it..depnds on the brand of pc/laptop
[14:43] <dorkmafia> hp z820
[14:44] <konrados> scottjl, so that would be #smartctl -t long /dev/sda in my case, right?
[14:46] <scottjl> konrados: that sounds about right
[14:46] <konrados> scottjl, - thank you!
[14:47] <scottjl> let it run a little bit. then you can check it with "smartctl -c /dev/sda" in a little while and it will tell you an estimate on how long to complete.
[14:48] <konrados> scottjl, you mean in another terminal window, right? Because I will not gain control in the first one when I'll start the test...?
[14:49] <scottjl> konrados: you will get control back. it should run the test in the background
[14:49] <konrados> scottjl, ok, got it, thanks!
[14:50] <scottjl> konrados: read over this https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SMART_tests_with_smartctl (or google, there are lots of tutorials out there)
[14:51] <ktechmidas> whoevers drinking, have one for me
[14:53] <konrados> scottjl, thanks as always:)
[14:54] <scottjl> konrados: you're welcome. good luck. bad sectors on a drive are pretty normal. it's when you get too many you should think about replacing the drive.
[14:56] <konrados> scottjl, you sure? Because when I'm googling 'disk ok, bad sectors' I see answers like this: https://askubuntu.com/a/550448/623186 - "With bad sectors, you should always immediately backup all important information and get a new hard drive. You can theoretically mark these sectors as "bad"... " - so, should I be worried or not?:)
[14:56] <abbottdx> what's the difference between gdb-arm-linux-gnueabi and gdb-arm-none-eabi?
[14:57] <scottjl> konrados: pretty much all drives have some bad sectors on them. but usually in the single digits to very very few. it's when you start getting many that you have to worry.
[14:57] <abbottdx> tryint to use gdb on an x86_64 machine to debug an arm program running on an arm machine
[14:57] <scottjl> konrados: drives will re-map bad sectors to spares automatically. but when they run out of spares you have issues
[14:57] <blackflow> konrados: experience shows that once they start cropping up, it's only gonna get worse soon, so yeah, back up often and consider replacing asap
[15:00] <konrados> scottjl, blackflow hmm thanks!
[15:00] <Cobrax> hi
[15:00] <Cobrax> i like ubuntu but i am having issues
[15:00] <Cobrax> with my USB headphone
[15:00] <Cobrax> i have speakers which are on an analog jack
[15:00] <Cobrax> but my headphones are USB
[15:01] <Cobrax> speakers work great
[15:01] <Cobrax> headphones however, do not
[15:01] <Cobrax> they require pulseaudio equalizer just to make it bearable
[15:17] <rory> Cobrax: what's the issue?
[15:18] <rory> Cobrax: IMO the program "pavucontrol" is better than the built in sound manager - if it sounds awful maybe the volume is turned up HIGHER than 100% somewhere and it's clippping
[15:38] <Cobrax> rory its more about thw quality
[15:38] <Cobrax> its very muffled
[15:38] <Cobrax> im using roccat kave xtd 5.1 digital
[15:40] <benedikt> Hi, im experincing complete system freezes on a fully up-to-date 17.04 install on a recent Lenovo ThinkPad. Nothing of interest gegts written to the logs, mouse doesn't work, and magic SysRq keys don't work either
[15:40] <benedikt> Similar to this bug report, but on different hardware https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1684010
[15:40] <benedikt> I have reinstalled ubuntu and run memcheck for a couple of hours without error
[15:40] <rory> Cobrax: maybe the USB headphones are being detected as a telephone device instead of HD
[15:41] <rory> Cobrax: pavucontrol will show this
[15:41] <benedikt> I find it odd that I don't find a lot on google since I am hardly the only person using Ubuntu 17.04 on a ThinkPad 450s :)
[15:42] <makekarm_> Guys, any tool that can help me to postmortem cpu and memory utilisation on ubuntu ?
[15:43] <tgm4883> benedikt: I'm using 17.04 on a 450s
[15:43] <benedikt> tgm4883: and im guessing you have no system freezes?
[15:44] <tgm4883> benedikt: I would normally say no, but yesterday I had one
[15:44] <benedikt> tgm4883: do you have these kernel modules installed? http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
[15:44] <tgm4883> thought it was a fluke, but I had another one this morning
[15:44] <tgm4883> looking
[15:44] <benedikt> Does it lock up completely, mouse stuck and doesnt accept any kind of input?
[15:45] <tgm4883> benedikt: yep, I had to REISUB it
[15:45] <oerheks> makekarm_, ??? postmortem cpu and memory utilisation = dead cpu and memory?
[15:45] <tgm4883> benedikt: I don't see what kernel modules I'm looking for on here
[15:45] <tgm4883> benedikt: I do not have the ones listed here http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-faq.html#kernmod
[15:46] <benedikt> tgm4883: doesn't respond to REISUB for me. And since SysRq is Fn+S on the thinkpad keyboard, it's also a little harder
[15:46] <tgm4883> benedikt: FWIW, I didn't have this issue on 16.04 either
[15:46] <benedikt> Same, started when i upgraded to 17.05
[15:46] <benedikt> 17.04*
[15:46] <benedikt> Caught this in syslog after a freeze: http://imgur.com/Tvi0H5u
[15:46] <tgm4883> benedikt: ctrl+alt+prtscrn +REISUB doesn't work for you?
[15:47] <benedikt> I thought it was Fn+S for SysRq, I'll try Ctrl+Alt+PrtSc next time
[15:48] <tgm4883> benedikt: I don't think I needed fn, but I know it's definitely prtsc on mine
[15:48] <makekarm_> oerheks, I have a mongo instance running, I'm sure it's consuming all memory and cpu. But I'm looking for a tool that can tell me what operation is killing it!
[15:48] <maze88> magic sysreq key combo:   ALT + SYSREQ + R/E/I/S/U/B
[15:48] <maze88> i, unfortunately, use it too often.
[15:49] <tgm4883> benedikt: that log doesn't look like mine I don't believe. Let me look at the one from this morning
[15:49] <maze88> (note SYSREQ might be activated using an Fn+ button if you are on a laptop)
[15:50] <benedikt> tgm4883 maze88: Looks like I had the wrong key combo to make up SysRq, I'll try this one next time and hopefully it will flush out the syslog to disk and have somethng useful
[15:51] <oerheks> makekarm_, top, or better install htop can show the use, maybe du can tell you run out of inodes
[15:51] <benedikt> https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/solutions/ht074004 this page sys it is Fn+S
[15:51] <benedikt> might be a bit hard to hit SysRq+S then :/
[15:52] <makekarm_> oerheks, Thank you. but I'm looking for a tool which would give me a historical view...probably I should do something like sensu + grafana
[15:57] <benedikt> tgm4883: find anything in your syslog?
[16:08] <tgm4883> benedikt: nothing exciting I don't think. The problem is that it was froze when I work up this morning, so I don't know the exact time it froze. There's a bunch of stuff in here that looks irrelevant
[16:09] <benedikt> for me, it stops writing to syslog when it freezes, but I haven't been able to trigger the magic sysrq so far to REISUB, maybe ill be more successful next time with Alt+Ctrl+PrnSc
[16:09] <benedikt> tgm4883: were you on battery or AC when it happened ?
[16:09] <tgm4883> AC both times
[16:11] <tgm4883> wow, litterally 10's of thousands of log entries for systemd-resolved for "switching to fallback DNS server"
[16:13] <tgm4883> benedikt: there is a kernel trace from 5:50PM last night
[16:14] <pizzaBurger> Hello! Software updater gives me "Not enough free disk space": http://paste.ubuntu.com/25126544/. I know I have 170+ gb free space, how shoul I fix this problem? Running xubuntu 17.04. Thanks!
[16:15] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: you need to remove old, unused kernels it seems
[16:15] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: by using apt-get
[16:15] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: what's the output of 'df -h' and the output of 'uname -a'
[16:16] <Sleaker> tgm4883: this is on your boot partition, your boot partition was probably too small.
[16:17] <pizzaBurger> tgm4883: I tried 'sudo apt-get clean', nothing happened. The outputs are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25126578/.
[16:18] <tgm4883> Sleaker: you mean pizzaBurger
[16:18] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: what about the output of 'dpkg -l | grep linux'
[16:18] <Sleaker> oh yah.
[16:18] <Sleaker> haha
[16:18] <Sleaker> pizzaBurger: apt-get clean only cleans temporary package downloads.
[16:18] <Sleaker> ie: the apt cache
[16:19] <Sleaker> apt-get autoremove will remove old kernels.
[16:19] <Sleaker> or usually will, depending on how they were installed.
[16:21] <tgm4883> Sleaker: oh nice, I didn't know it did that.  Terminal doesn't scroll all the way up so I guess I can't copy the whole output
[16:22] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: that's ok. you can stop that process. The 'apt-get autoremove' one should be all you need
[16:23] <nicomachus> can I see any info about my mobo chipset from lshw? I see CPU and that shows the socket..
[16:24] <nicomachus> oh nvm
[16:24] <pizzaBurger> tgm4883: nice, clearing 1,5gb of data. so this command removees old, unused packages?
[16:25] <tgm4883> pizzaBurger: it removes packages that are no longer needed (eg. they were installed by another package that is now removed, old kernels)
[16:25] <pizzaBurger> I see Sleaker mentioned that it cleans temporary package downloads
[16:25] <tgm4883> the other command you ran did the temp package download cleaning
[16:25] <pizzaBurger> so should I be running 'apt-get autoremove' regulary?
[16:26] <tgm4883> You could, it wouldn't hurt anything
[16:26] <Sleaker> autoremove attempts to remove packages that apt thinks are no longer needed because you've manually uninstalled a package or updated a package and it left old dependencies on the system
[16:26] <Sleaker> it could *potentially* remove something you actually wanted.
[16:26] <Sleaker> so it's always a good idea to dobule-check what is getting removed.
[16:27] <tgm4883> That's true
[16:29] <pizzaBurger> tgm4883, Sleaker: awesome, everything seems to be working now. Thanks a ton!
[16:32] <designbybeck> I've removed my known_hosts file and I still get connection refused when trying to ssh to a remote ip on Ubuntu 16.04 ... Any suggestions?
[16:34] <Char|ie> whats in /etc/hosts ?
[16:35] <SwedeMike> designbybeck: known_hosts are not used until a connection has actually been established, so those two are not related.
[16:35] <designbybeck> Char|ie, this was a new 16.04 server install
[16:35] <designbybeck> I'm just spinning up test servers to play with
[16:36] <designbybeck> I was able to get into one, then spun up a new one and can't get in this one
[16:36] <Char|ie> a brand new vanilla install and it doesnt cooperate with ssh? wat
[16:36] <designbybeck> they had different IP addresses and I'm using the new correct IP... I can ping it
[16:37] <designbybeck> the first box was Ubuntu 14.04 and that worked first try, this one hasn't
[16:37] <Char|ie> Did you run an update first
[16:37] <designbybeck> come to think of it no Char|ie
[16:37] <Char|ie> sudo apt update
[16:37] <designbybeck> I can login via the console, so I can try this.... this is a cloudatcost.com server
[16:37] <Char|ie> then apt upgrade
[16:38] <Char|ie> try the update first then if its still not working then its probably a network issue, cause vanilla installs shouldnt be having problems
[16:38] <designbybeck> doing that now, thanks Char|ie
[16:40] <tgm4883> designbybeck: did you allow the traffic through whatever FW is up there?
[16:40] <Char|ie> are you trying to ssh as root
[16:41] <designbybeck> i tried both Char|ie
[16:41] <designbybeck> tgm4883, It worked the first time on the first one without any FW stuff
[16:44] <designbybeck> Char|ie, it's running upgrade right now
[16:46] <tgm4883> designbybeck: not sure then. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get to that box. I'm assuming you already installed the ssh server
[16:46] <designbybeck> tgm4883, isn't it installed by default? was it in 14.04 but not 16.04 ? maybe that was it
[16:47] <tgm4883> designbybeck: no it's not installed by default
[16:47] <tgm4883> designbybeck: it's an option during install of server
[16:47] <designbybeck> hmmm..but it did work in 14.04 tgm4883 I didn't "install ssh"
[16:47] <benedikt> tgm4883: can you pastebin me the kernel trace?
[16:47] <designbybeck> tgm4883, this was a spin up from a cloudatcost.com server, so they had their own img that is used
[16:48] <tgm4883> designbybeck: IDK, maybe cloudatcost.com futzed with the image. That's likely
[16:48] <designbybeck> yeah I'm thinking so on that one tgm4883
[16:48] <tgm4883> probably not even ubuntu anymore
[16:48] <tgm4883> benedikt: one sec
[16:48] <designbybeck> they have their on console from the panel I can access via the internet
[16:51] <designbybeck> this is still running updates tgm and Char|ie not going to be done for awhile, I'm going to run to lunch and check after. Thanks for the help
[16:52] <tgm4883> benedikt: did you get my PM
[17:04] <onitlikesonic> hi all, on ubuntu 16.04 is there any reason why the logrotate would not work for /var/log/syslog ?
[17:05] <onitlikesonic> forced a rotation but doesnt seem to work
[17:05] <Sleaker> does syslog even exist by default in 16.04?
[17:05] <Sleaker> I thought that was replaced with journald
[17:06] <onitlikesonic> well... its there
[17:13] <thinky> hello
[17:13] <thinky> i am having with my ubuntu 16.04
[17:13] <thinky> i dont know why in ubuntu internet connection is very very slow
[17:13] <thinky> when i make ADSL speedtest it shows 600-700kbps
[17:13] <thinky> actual speed is around 6.8mbps
[17:14] <aotaoint1in> what's the throughput to your next upstream hop?
[17:14] <thinky> sorry?
[17:14] <aotaoint1in> your router.
[17:15] <thinky> i dont know what you mean
[17:15] <aotaoint1in> based on the information you've provided, it's not clear that it's an issue with ubuntu or your host.
[17:15] <aotaoint1in> it could be an issue with your isp
[17:15] <TzmFen> when i am adding multiple network interfaces when i put adress 122.312.121.54 (exapmple) should i add same line in broadcast?
[17:15] <thinky> when i test on windows and on iphone
[17:15] <thinky> speed is 6.8mpbs
[17:15] <TzmFen> or the ip with 255 ending
[17:15] <thinky> on ubuntu connection is really bad
[17:15] <onitlikesonic> Seems to rotate ok in the logs... but it doesnt actually rotate https://pastebin.com/XftzL1cq
[17:17] <aotaoint1in> TzmFen: your broadcast address should be host||!netmask, no?
[17:18] <ioria> onitlikesonic, there was a bug about it... what's your logrotate version ?
[17:18] <TzmFen> aotaoint1in:  for main IP it says:   as an exampple. 15643.132.xx.255
[17:18] <onitlikesonic> ioria: logrotate 3.8.7
[17:18] <TzmFen> sorry 164.132.xx.255 for the broadcast
[17:19] <aotaoint1in> that doesn't help.
[17:19] <TzmFen> aotaoint1in:  i am looking in my eth0 atm and trying to copy that for adding the others
[17:19] <TzmFen> imma pastebin and edit some
[17:19] <aotaoint1in> TzmFen: is the netmask <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:19] <ioria> onitlikesonic, can you paste the full version string ?
[17:19] <TzmFen> yeah
[17:20] <aotaoint1in> TzmFen: then replace the last octet of a host address with 255 to get its broadcast address.
[17:20] <onitlikesonic> ioria: this? 3.8.7-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:20] <ioria> it's ok
[17:20] <TzmFen> aotaoint1in:  that gives me error
[17:20] <TzmFen> on webmin. i am doing it that way yes
[17:21] <aotaoint1in> i don't know what webmin is, sorry.
[17:21] <TzmFen> aotaoint1in: web interface
[17:21] <TzmFen> as its a server i am using
[17:21] <aotaoint1in> i've never used it.
[17:21] <onitlikesonic> ioria: you mean this version is not affected?
[17:22] <ioria> onitlikesonic, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/logrotate/+bug/1630516
[17:22] <aotaoint1in> the broadcast address and network address can both be calculated from the host address and the netmask.
[17:22] <TzmFen> ah ok
[17:22] <aotaoint1in> network = host & netmask
[17:23] <aotaoint1in> broadcast = host | !netmask
[17:24] <onitlikesonic> ioria: yakkety :( any for xenial ?
[17:24] <onitlikesonic> oh, found it
[17:24] <aotaoint1in> since you said your host is on a /24 (i.e. has a netmask of <IP_ADDRESS>), to compute the broadcast address, you replace the last octet with 255.
[17:24] <onitlikesonic> same as i have
[17:24] <Cobrax> cant wait for ubuntu GNOME again
[17:24] <Cobrax> i cant rice gnome to look like ambiance
[17:25] <ioria> onitlikesonic, check #29 comment
[17:25] <onitlikesonic> ioria: yeah same version as i have so guess it isnt fixed :/
[17:25] <ioria> yep
[17:25] <jonfatino> lvm2 thinpool thinvolume
[17:26] <jonfatino> anyone know how to copy a lvm2 thinpool volume to another one maybe using dd?
[17:26] <jonfatino> without using the entire disk space?  dd if=/dev/mapper/vg_thin-ubuntu_template of=/dev/mapper/vg_thin-observium bs=1M
[17:26] <jonfatino> creates the full size instead of thin provision
[17:33] <Richard_Cavell> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04.  The version of VICE (Commodore 64 emulator) that comes with 16.04 is 2.4.1.  Is there a PPA with a newer version (3.1 is the latest) ?
[17:33] <nacc> !ppa | Richard_Cavell: you can search yourself
[17:33] <Richard_Cavell> (I don't know why I bother using a long term support version of Ubuntu when I end up updating all the software that I actually use
[17:34] <fordcars> Hi, can anybodt point me to a good irc channel on networking?
[17:34] <scottjl> Richard_Cavell: because LTS isn't about updates, it's about stability
[17:34] <scottjl> Richard_Cavell: if having the latest updates is important, then you're right, you don't belong using LTS
[17:35] <sary> fordcars: ##networking !
[17:35] <fordcars> sary: thank you!
[17:35] <fordcars> I was dumb not to try that
[17:36] <Es0teric> i have ubuntu 14 and i am getting this error Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-3.2.0-24-virtual when trying to install linux-image-extra package
[17:37] <nacc> Es0teric: 3.2 was the 12.04 kernel
[17:37] <nacc> Es0teric: are you on 12.04?
[17:37] <Es0teric> nacc 14
[17:38] <nacc> Es0teric: in a pastebin `apt policy linux-image-extra`
[17:38] <sary> fordcars: no you're not ..! #see /msg alis LIST *searchterm* to find channels whose name contains the term in question - for instance, /msg alis LIST *ubuntu*. also see /msg alis help
[17:38] <Es0teric> nacc E: Invalid operation policy
[17:39] <nacc> Es0teric: apt-cache policy, sorry
[17:39] <Es0teric> N: Unable to locate package linux-image-extra
[17:39] <Es0teric> if i run apt-cache search linux-image-exta i get a list
[17:40] <Es0teric> nacc -> https://pastebin.com/HmsEEeQs
[17:41] <leftyfb> Es0teric: sudo apt-get update first
[17:41] <Es0teric> leftyfb i did do apt-get update first
[17:41] <leftyfb> Es0teric: what are you trying to install exactly?
[17:41] <nacc> Es0teric: sorry, need to step away
[17:42] <Es0teric> leftyfb docker
[17:42] <nacc> Es0teric: but that ekrnel (3.2.0-24) is a 12.04 kernel, so something else is wrong
[17:42] <nicomachus> I don't think this is the right place to ask, but I'm trying to point ncmpcpp at mopidy instead of mpd. Anyone know how I can do that? Documentation for both is skim on the subject.
[17:43] <Es0teric> nacc my kernel is 14.04
[17:43] <Es0teric> nacc Your Droplet's current kernel: Ubuntu 14.04 x32 vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic
[17:43] <Es0teric> thats what my digitalocean server says
[17:44] <leftyfb> Es0teric: sudo apt-get install linux-image-extra-$(uname -r)
[17:44] <Es0teric> leftyfb E: Unable to locate package linux-image-extra-3.2.0-24-virtual E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-extra-3.2.0-24-virtual'
[17:44] <leftyfb> Es0teric: ok, you're using a shared kernel and the -extra package isn't available
[17:45] <nacc> also that kernel is ancient
[17:45] <leftyfb> Es0teric: contact DO
[17:45] <nacc> and is full of bugs
[17:45] <nacc> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[17:57] <nnyby> hi, i have an ubuntu 14.04 server, and when i do 'import multiprocessing' in the python prompt, i get the error: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/multiprocessing/__init__.py", line 84, in <module>
[17:57] <nnyby>     import _multiprocessing
[17:57] <nnyby> ImportError: No module named _multiprocessing
[17:57] <nnyby> does anyone have any suggestions what to try to resolve this? i've re-installed python
[18:10] <tsarompy> hai robotroll
[18:10] <invapid> how can you compile ubuntu package from source and completely match what's shipped in the repos?
[18:10] <nicomachus> nnyby: sounds like perhaps a question for the #python guys
[18:10] <invapid> apt source poppler # this downloads a bunch of stuff, is the extracted folder the relevant one?
[18:12] <cipher6> Can someone confirm they're seeing my text? I've tried to identify using IRSSI instead of HexChat and not sure it's taking
[18:13] <cipher6> 2
[18:13] <scottjl> can't read you cipher6
[18:13] <scottjl> ;-)
[18:13] <cipher6> lol Thanks scottjl
[18:15] <davidfetter> hi
[18:15] <davidfetter> i have a VPC with Ubuntu 16.06 LTS running on it. I'm pretty happy with it so far, with one little exception
[18:16] <davidfetter> it appears to default to dark backgrounds for terminals, and my eyesight is such that this doesn't work for me. is there some way to change that default?
[18:17] <EriC^^> VPC ?
[18:17] <EriC^^> virtual pc?
[18:17] <davidfetter> yeah, it's on Gandi, if that matters
[18:17] <davidfetter> "virtual private server"
[18:18] <EriC^^> vps
[18:18]  * davidfetter needs more coffee, as his typing is not good at the moment
[18:18] <davidfetter> right
[18:18] <nicomachus> davidfetter: Terminal -> right click -> Profiles -> Profile Preferences -> "Colors" tab.
[18:18] <EriC^^> davidfetter: no worries, do you have a gui with that ubuntu vps?
[18:18] <nicomachus> It's probably set to use system colors. just set manually.
[18:18] <davidfetter> um, it's not a desktop
[18:18] <EriC^^> or is it just a server command line
[18:18] <davidfetter> server
[18:19] <davidfetter> i just happen to do a bunch of stuff at the command line.
[18:19] <EriC^^> davidfetter: it depends on the way you're accessing it, if it's via putty for instance you should configure putty
[18:19] <iopq> Help, when I hit Ctrl+5 the 5 key down doesn't register
[18:19] <scottjl> davidfetter: if you're on the console, man setterm
[18:19] <jhutchins_wk> davidfetter: So you're not on a physical console, you're connecting through an app, ssh or putty or something.
[18:19] <davidfetter> for example, when i quit mutt (don't laugh! it works for me), the colors change to dark background
[18:19] <scottjl> i <3 mutt
[18:20] <Es0teric> leftyfb ah i see now
[18:20] <nicomachus> mutt is great
[18:20] <Es0teric> i had to completely take a snapshot and update my droplet
[18:20] <jhutchins_wk> I never could figure out the mutt config file, I use (al)pine.
[18:21] <davidfetter> once i did figure it out, it was so useful that i've never had the energy to replicate all the functionality. be that as it may, is there something that could be causing this reversion?
[18:22] <davidfetter> basically, i want to make everything "solarized light" and leave it that way
[18:22] <jhutchins_wk> What happens if you do "reset"?
[18:22] <cipher6> Anyone ran Ubuntu desktop without a GUI succesfully? Trying to force myself to be better in the terminal, but at the moment I'm having to boot to GUI then ^A+F1 and working from there
[18:23] <cipher6> And am losing system performance b/c gui is still running on 7.
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> cipher6: An idle GUI shouldn't cost much resources, but you can disable the DM - gdm, lightdm, whateverdm - to boot without it.
[18:24] <davidfetter> reset works. i just don't want to have to say it all the time
[18:24] <jhutchins_wk> davidfetter: Alias it.
[18:25] <jhutchins_wk> davidfetter: mutt=mutt&&reset.
[18:25] <cipher6> jhutchins_wk: where would I go to disable the dsktpmgr?
[18:25] <cipher6> grub?
[18:25] <cipher6> Actually, I don't even have grub on this laptop...hmm.
[18:26] <davidfetter> jhutchins_wk, yeah, that's a little more hacky than i'm looking for. there's also an issue around less :P
[18:26] <jhutchins_wk> cipher6: Actually, systemctl set-default multi-user.target
[18:26] <cipher6> hmm...might req a little more research b/c I'm not understanding, but I'll give it a go and check back in
[18:27] <jhutchins_wk> multu-user.target is the equivalent of SysV runlevel 3, everything except GUI.
[18:27] <amirite> we've got init/service scripts in /etc/systemd/system, /etc/init.d/ and /etc/init. how do i view and/or control the run order and dependency between services distributed between the 3 locations?
[18:29] <genii> systemd runs first, after everything in it's own direct control runs, the old upstart things in /etc/init run. The last script in /etc/init is a script which runs original sysvinit stuff in /etc/init.d
[18:30] <scottjl> amirite: get used to it. and in 10 years when someone re-invents startup again we'll have a 4th to deal with
[18:30] <amirite> i'm not complaining
[18:31] <amirite> thanks genii
[18:33] <jhutchins_wk> Don't forget /lib/systemd and /var/lib/systemd
[18:42] <TheWild> hello
[18:42] <TheWild> hey, how I can rely on apt repository when software is often not up to date?
[18:43] <TheWild> youtube-dl for example seems to be completely unreliable
[18:44] <limbo_> Add a ppa to your system.
[18:44] <fidel37> you should update youtube-dl via pip
[18:44] <limbo_> webupd8 has a much newer version of youtube-dl
[18:44] <limbo_> in their PPA.
[18:45] <limbo_> fidel37: Do you have any idea how to auto-update everything installed with pip?
[18:45] <Jonii> How do I change mouse sensitivity on ubuntu 17.04?
[18:45] <Jonii> Settings menu does nothing. xset m 100 0 does nothing
[18:45] <Jonii> I don't know what else to do
[18:49] <fidel37> @limbo_ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2720014/upgrading-all-packages-with-pip
[18:59] <denysonique> GTK_THEME=Arc-Dark gnome-terminal - doesn't seem to change the theme
[18:59] <denysonique> How can a launch gnome-terminal using a theme different than the current main desktop theme?
[19:07] <limbo_> fidel37: this is seven years old, and attempts to update things installed with apt.
[19:09] <eising> Hey, is there a way to purge packages from a specific repository? I know of ppa-purge, but in this instance, the packages didn't originate from ppa
[19:11] <nicomachus> `purge`
[19:12] <nicomachus> `apt purge --remove <package>`
[19:14] <eising> nicomachus: from a specific (third party) repository
[19:14] <xppx> hi
[19:14] <xppx> ubuntu 64 bit is lag in my virtual box with 1gb ram allocated to it
[19:14] <xppx> will it be reasonable to change to ubuntu 32 bit?
[19:15] <eising> xppx: that won't change anything
[19:15] <eising> xppx: the main difference between 32 bit and 64 bit is whether it can address more than 4GB RAM
[19:16] <nicomachus> xppx: do you have 3D acceleration enabled?
[19:17] <xppx> nicomachus yes
[19:18] <xppx> i even max out the video memory allocation
[19:18] <xppx> eising i see. i didnt know that
[19:18] <kenrin> If you want it to be smooth give it more RAM
[19:18] <xppx> kenrin i tried 1.99gb but doesnt work
[19:19] <xppx> kerin the virtualbox is complaining when giving it more than 50% ram
[19:20] <kenrin> So you are saying your host computer is crappy.  I don't think you can fix that but you could try a lower usage DE like xfce
[19:20] <xppx> oh actually i can give it more than 50% ram it was just a warning
[19:20] <xppx> letsee
[19:20] <xppx> DE?
[19:21] <kenrin> Desktop environment
[19:21] <akik> xppx: did you enable 3d acceleration on the vm?
[19:21] <xppx> well i dont care about desktop enviroment. what will be the most lightweight de one?
[19:21] <xppx> akik yes thats the last thing i did
[19:22] <genii> xppx: Lubuntu
[19:22] <akik> xppx: there's also a vboxmanage command to raise the video ram from 128 megs to 256 megs
[19:22] <genii> ..so LXDE
[19:22] <akik> xppx: VBoxManage modifyvm "Name of VM" --vram 256
[19:24] <xppx> genjii lubuntu is another os?
[19:27] <ioria> xppx, you can install lubuntu-desktop from your unity session; logout and  login in the  lubuntu session  (warning: not easy to remove that after installed)
[19:28] <xppx> i see thanks. what do you mean not easy to remove?
[19:28] <xppx> its just in the vm so doesnt matter if anything is messed up
[19:29] <ioria> xppx, there are a lot of pkgs in a DE, so removing lubuntu-desktop or lxde, or lxsession does not remove what it brings with
[19:31] <wagle> hi -- howdoes one *force* apt to cleanup a mess of half missing packages?
[19:33] <genii> wagle: sudo apt-get -f install
[19:34] <cyphex> Hi. I installed Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit) on my dad's computer and the scrolling in chrome and firefox is very choppy/laggy. Scrolling in the default browser that comes with the distro is fine. Is there any way to fix this issue?
[19:35] <cyphex> (*chromium not chrome)
[19:35] <ioria> cyphex, the default should be ff
[19:35] <wagle> genii: didnt work, not sure what the key error is
[19:35] <ioria> wagle, maybe paste the errors ?
[19:35] <xppx> is the Ubuntu default environment the real reason why it lags in vm?
[19:35] <cyphex> ioria: There was another browser installed that is named simply Browser. Firefox was indeed the default browser though, my bad.
[19:36] <wagle> ioria: yeah, working on that, I'm slow sometimes
[19:36] <ioria> xppx, 1 G for unity (in my opinion) is not enough
[19:37] <xppx> ioria i tried 2.5gb but still the same
[19:38] <ioria> xppx, let's try lubuntu-desktop.... after that it's a vm misconfiguration ?
[19:39] <xppx> ioria theres is not lubuntu session here
[19:40] <ioria> !info lubuntu-desktop
[19:40] <ioria> xppx, ^
[19:40] <wagle> genii, ioria: https://gist.github.com/wagle/3972dde528b8d54f1c5263aa39603af4
[19:41] <kenrin> I think he just doesn't have a fast enough comp for virtualization.  You got like 4gb ram on host right xppx ?
[19:41] <ioria> wagle, lilo ?
[19:41] <akik> xppx: also, did you install the vbox guest additions?
[19:42] <xppx> kenrin yea
[19:42] <wagle> ioria: what about it?
[19:42] <kenrin> I've never had a comp that had 4gb work good at hosting VMs,  they barely function bare metal
[19:42] <xppx> akik for what?
[19:43] <akik> xppx: the guest additions contain the 3d acceleration support
[19:43] <wagle> i should be using grub
[19:43] <ioria> yep
[19:44] <ioria> wagle, where it comes from ?
[19:44] <quarters> hello. I noticed that terminator started to resize automatically everytime I just simply drag it.  I was wondering how to stop this behavior
[19:44] <xppx> akik i dont know if this is silly but im able to enable/disable 3d acceleration in my vm
[19:45] <akik> xppx: it doesn't matter if you don't have the guest additions installed
[19:45] <wagle> ioria: dont understand your question, sorry
[19:45] <xppx> so i apt get now the lubuntu
[19:45] <Jonii> How do I change mouse sensitivity on ubuntu 17.04?
[19:45] <Jonii> Settings menu does nothing. xset m 100 0 does nothing
[19:45] <ioria> wagle, ubuntu does not use lilo
[19:45] <Jonii> I don't know what else to do
[19:46] <wagle> well, nor am i, I thought
[19:47] <ioria> wagle, run-parts: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//runlilo exited with return code 1
[19:47] <kenrin> quarters:  This might help but I'm not sure which option you need: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/terminator_config.5.html
[19:47] <wagle> not my fault
[19:47] <wagle> ioria: but how to I rip it out?
[19:48] <wagle> ioria: but how do I rip it out?
[19:48] <ioria> wagle, dpkg -l | grep lilo
[19:49] <wagle> ii  lilo                                         1:24.2-1                                       amd64        LInux LOader - the classic OS boot loader
[19:49] <ioria> wagle, why it's installed ?
[19:49] <wagle> ihave no idea
[19:50] <quarters> kenrin: thank you. geometry hinting being enabled was what made it weird
[19:50] <wagle> ioria: how do I get rid of it?
[19:50] <kenrin> I thought that was the one doing it but I wasn't sure =)
[19:51] <xppx> ioria ill come back tomorrow i have to sleep now 3:51am
[19:51] <xppx> lol thanks everyone
[19:54] <quarters> now I'm kind of curious as to what that option is actually useful for
[19:55] <warri0rr> hi
[19:57] <wagle> ioria: removing /etc/lilo.conf (which was old) seemed to unwedge it..  thanks
[20:04] <ignacio> Hi!, anyone knows if there is a way to don "clear" the console after I logout from a ssh session?
[20:04] <ignacio> nvm, found it
[20:13] <warri0rr> No one having issues?
[20:15] <nicomachus> warri0rr: with what?
[20:15] <nicomachus> I'm having all kids of issues
[20:15] <nicomachus> kinds*
[20:16] <warri0rr> I mean, related to ubuntu
[20:17] <nicomachus> oh, people will come around don't worry. Unless you wanna help me troubleshoot mopidy
[20:22] <warri0rr> what kind of issue do you have?
[20:23] <nicomachus> web clients aren't listing on the web portal page.
[20:24] <nicomachus> and ncmpcpp is just locking up because it keeps trying to run "listallinfo" which is a blacklisted command for mopidy.
[20:25] <warri0rr> Ah well, I've never used mopidy so cannot help. If it was a broader problem I could've helped.
[20:25] <nicomachus> :)
[20:33] <wishe> Is there someone that can help me fix my audio jack on my laptop with Ubuntu 16.04? There is static in it when I have it plugged in and the microphone does not seem to work.
[20:38] <jhutchins_wk> wishe: Are you sure the plug is seated properly?
[20:39] <jhutchins_wk> wishe: Is the static worse if you move ?
[20:39] <wishe> jhutchins_wk: Nah not really, and yes the plug is seated correctly
[20:40] <jhutchins_wk> wishe: By static do you mean a steady hiss?
[20:40] <wishe> jhutchins_wk: yes
[20:40] <rory> Does it only happen when the laptop is plugged in?
[20:40] <__Yiota> hi guys
[20:40] <wishe> yes rory
[20:40] <__Yiota> im trying to resolve the docker_gwbridge ip inside of chef, hwoever this script doesn't redirect it to stdout
[20:40] <__Yiota> ip a s | grep docker_gwbridge: -A 2 | grep inet | awk '{split($0,a," "); print a[2]}' | awk '{split($0,a,"/"); print a[1]}'
[20:40] <rory> It's a grounding problem, not anything to do with Ubuntu
[20:40] <__Yiota> am I missing something?
[20:41] <jhutchins_wk> wishe: In the mixer, try muting things one by one until you find which channel is causing the hiss.
[20:41] <wishe> Ok rory
[20:41] <warri0rr> Is the power supply properly grounded?
[20:41] <wishe> warri0rr: probably not
[20:42] <wishe> It is connected through a UK power connector from EU version
[20:42] <warri0rr> that might be the cause
[20:43] <wishe> But this does not explain the issue with the microphone. It is dead
[20:43] <jhutchins_wk> Perhaps the jack is a stereo audio out only.
[20:43] <wishe> The microphone has worked before and it is set to duplex
[20:44] <wishe> The microphone shows up in pulse audio control but it just does not work
[20:45] <kenrin> It isn't muted in alsamixer or pavucontrol ?
[20:45] <jhutchins_wk> wishe: I believe the mic shows up whether there's one plugged in or not.
[20:46] <wishe> jhutchins_wk: When i plug in the jack i get a Headset Microphone device in my audio control
[20:46] <wishe> And it goes away when i unplug it
[20:47] <wishe> If i switch it to Internal microphone that mic works fine
[20:50] <wishe> kenrin: No it is not muted anywhere
[20:51] <warri0rr> does that mic work on other devices?
[20:51] <kenrin> Sounds like a hardware issue either with equipment or that port
[20:51] <warri0rr> You could try with a multimeter to measure resistance
[20:51] <warri0rr> if it's shorted
[20:51] <warri0rr> ups
[20:51] <warri0rr> I mean
[20:51] <warri0rr> Open
[21:16] <wishe> kenrin, warri0rr the headphones work fine on my phone
[21:27] <oceas> Is it possible during discovery to substitute the value from sysUnitID as the "System Name"?
[21:32] <russian_hackr> how can I find the Ubuntu virtual machine I have created using VMWare on Windows 10?
[21:33] <sebsebseb>
[21:41] <marco25> is there a compiler that uses the pcc command that i can install in the repositories
[21:41] <marco25> ?
[21:42] <marco25> make: pcc: Command not found
[21:45] <iCherry> some makefiles allow use of different compilers
[21:45] <iCherry> marco25
[21:45] <iCherry> it should have " CC=pcc " near the top
[21:46] <marco25> my question is ..is there something in repos to download for that command
[21:48] <marco25> repo program?
[21:48] <warri0rr> marco25 don't know if this is what you're looking for https://linux.die.net/man/1/pcc
[21:52] <marco25> warri0rr, that is the command ..is there a repo that has that?
[21:52] <warri0rr> try to change pcc to cc
[21:52] <warri0rr> or just gcc
[21:52] <warri0rr> it might work
[21:52] <warri0rr> looks like pcc is just a c compiler
[21:52] <warri0rr> the frontend should be the same
[21:53] <marco25> cool thank
[21:55] <oceas> Does anyone know if there's a way around the duplicate sysName problem when adding hosts.  This hardware vendor doesn't use sysName for the system name, they use sysUnitID.  They have inserted a generic default sysName of "administrator" on all the devices
[21:56] <entourage> I'm looking for a command or an app that lets me wipe the mbr on a hard drive
[21:56] <gtrmtx> entourage, ubcd
[21:56] <warri0rr> use dd
[21:57] <entourage> gtrmtx: ubcd?
[21:57] <gtrmtx> entourage, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[21:57] <warri0rr> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
[21:57] <gtrmtx> they have several tools for managing MBR
[21:58] <warri0rr> don't run that unless you want to murder your hdd partitions
[21:58] <gtrmtx> alternately http://www.hirensbootcd.org/
[22:09] <gtrmtx> pertaining to server 16.04 anyone know the difference between a.) booting normally and b.) going into recovery mode and resuming normal boot?
[22:10] <gtrmtx> if i do [a] system doesnt boot at all it just goes to a black blank screen
[22:10] <gtrmtx> but it boots just fine with [b]
[22:11] <Jonii> How do I change mouse sensitivity on ubuntu 17.04?
[22:11] <Jonii> Settings menu does nothing. xset m 100 0 does nothing
[22:11] <Jonii> I don't know what else to do
[23:03] <cipher6> has no one spoken here in hours?
[23:07] <iCherry> i speak
[23:07] <iCherry> iSpeak
[23:22] <tomreyn> cipher6: there are logs of this channel if you want this confirmed.
[23:22] <tomreyn> (see topic)
[23:28] <vlt> !anyone | cipher6
[23:33] <sary> cipher6: few years back this channel used to be busy with high traffics , it seems it' not the case nowdays.
[23:45] <iopq> Ctrl+5 doesn't send keydown event, I tried two keyboards. Can anyone point me how to debug the issue?
[23:46] <Ben64> iopq: what does xev show
[23:59] <iopq> Ben64, xev shows "key pressed"
[23:59] <iopq> browser doesn't show key pressed or key down
[23:59] <iopq> my issue is inside of starcraft


[22:56] <hatch> well after about 4 hours of docs and testing I have given in and posted my haproxy question to serverfault :)
[23:00] <rick_h_> lol
[23:00] <hatch> http://serverfault.com/questions/652428/redirect-rewritten-url-using-haproxy
[23:00] <hatch> :)
[23:04] <hatch> rick_h_: do you have any preference for a good point and shoot for traveling?
[23:04] <hatch> gona be an xmas gift
[23:05] <rick_h_> hatch love thge sony rx100 line
[23:05] <rick_h_> its what i have my wife using
[23:05] <hatch> can it be whiped out and take a picture faily quick?
[23:06] <hatch> or does it have to 'expand'
[23:06] <hatch> that one does have very high reviews though
[23:06] <hatch> maybe more than I want to spend though
[23:07] <rick_h_> yea great but pricey. go back to the 2 or erven 1 to save a little bit
[23:08] <hatch> they make a model for everything
[23:08] <hatch> sheesh
[23:08] <hatch> pretty much in $50 incrememtns
[23:08] <rick_h_> yea
[23:08] <hatch> too much choice!
[23:09] <hatch> there has to be an economic lesson here somewher
[23:10] <rick_h_> the olympus pen cameras are supposed to be good too
[23:10] <hatch> sony cameras still require a 'special' usb cable?
[23:11] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera-14-42mm/dp/B0096WDNZC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418512240&sr=8-2&keywords=olympus+camera+epl
[23:11] <rick_h_> my sony is just microusb i thought
[23:12] <rick_h_> so the rx i own and like. if anything else i'd go oly epl line
[23:12] <hatch> yeah I'm thinking $300 would be max
[23:12] <hatch> it'll probably only ever get used a few times a year
[23:13] <hatch> cell phones are too convenient :)
[23:13] <rick_h_> heh yea
[23:14] <hatch> somehow the $300 sony gets 20x optical where the $800 one gets 2.9x
[23:14] <hatch> umm
[23:14] <hatch> one of them is lying
[23:14] <hatch> :)
[23:16] <rick_h_> heh well more than zoom in there
[23:17] <hatch> no website allows you to filter by 'gps' feature
[23:17] <hatch> bleh
[23:19] <rick_h_> http://www.dpreview.com is a good review site
[23:20] <rick_h_> tghough 300 is going to hit mostly the low end markets.
[23:20] <hatch> it seems the ones I want are all around that $400 mark heh damn
[23:20] <rick_h_> who's it for?
[23:21] <hatch> http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/sony-sony-cyber-shot-tx30-18-2mp-waterproof-digital-camera-blue-dsctx30l/10244494.aspx?path=7f723491a5df1890f4c604bc0f7d30e7en02
[23:21] <hatch> the mrs
[23:21] <jrwren> hatch: the camera in the iphone6 is nice. :p
[23:21] <hatch> lol we aren't taking our phones on our trip
[23:21] <rick_h_> i've got an extra rx100 but no box and csuch
[23:21] <rick_h_> wife forgot it when we went to va
[23:22] <rick_h_> so bought the v2 while in va
[23:22] <jrwren> *mind blown*
[23:22] <hatch> yeah this cybersex one looks good
[23:22] <hatch> all the sony cybersex ones are nice
[23:22] <rick_h_> lmao
[23:22] <hatch> haha
[23:23] <hatch> ahh the reviews on these ones look good
[23:23] <hatch> does panos
[23:23] <rick_h_> well let me know. i can ship it up and you can check it out if you want
[23:23] <hatch> no GPS unfortunately
[23:23] <hatch> thanks but I don't want to worry about it
[23:23] <hatch> I'd rather have my own stuff wrecked/stolen
[23:24] <rick_h_> if you ndon't like bring it in jan to sprint
[23:24] <rick_h_> just sitting in a drawer since last fall
[23:24] <hatch> that thing is like $500 :) I'll definitely get stolen
[23:24] <hatch> I'm not that lucky
[23:24] <rick_h_> but yea all good
[23:25] <rick_h_> heh i'm not worried. it's my fancy camera i worry about
[23:26] <rick_h_> offer stands, will trade camera for sprint dinner :)
[23:26] <hatch> bahaha
[23:26] <hatch> that might work on the new-guy but not this-guy :P
[23:28] <hatch> hmm can you still search flikr by camera?
[23:28] <rick_h_> yea
[23:28] <hatch> ah there it
[23:28] <hatch> is
[23:28] <hatch> heh rx100 is popular
[23:29] <rick_h_> i've done some search by lens feature
[23:35] <hatch> yeah this tx30 seems to get decent reviews and would probably be good for my activities as well ;)
[23:37] <hatch> (actually cheape rlocally than on amazon)
[23:49] <hatch> hmm the dp review of this camera isn't so good