[12:17] <raphink> :'(
[12:18] <raphink> ooimpress can't read kpresenter .odp
[12:21] <Lure> raphink: yes, oasis still have to mature...
[12:22] <raphink> indeed
[12:22] <raphink> it's a shame to have such a format and miss its point like this :(
[12:22] <raphink> but well
[12:22] <raphink> it'll mature soon enough :)
[12:22] <raphink> and in the meanwhile it'll have me use koffice for my talk
[12:22] <raphink> go K!
[12:27] <kmon> you need to convince riddell to use koffice 1.5.x as default in next release ;)
[12:39] <raphink> kmon: well i'm using it now and I must confess it's far from equaling ooo so far
[12:39] <raphink> but it's interesting enough
[12:39] <raphink> just not as productive yet
[12:40] <kmon> what do you miss?
[12:40] <raphink> lots of small things around
[12:40] <raphink> right now I can't find how to properly export my presentation to pdf
[12:41] <kmon> print it? i'm guessing....
[12:41] <raphink> or I can't save it in microsoft formats, which can be useful sometimes
[12:41] <raphink> nope
[12:41] <raphink> print doesn't work well either
[12:41] <raphink> and it won't even let me print it in landscape
[12:42] <kmon> support for ms formats is a pitty
[12:43] <kmon> but I've read somewhere the new office formats will be xml based.
[12:43] <kmon> so I think that will help a lot
[12:43] <raphink> it is xml based
[12:43] <raphink> opendocument
[12:43] <kmon> in the future of course....
[12:43] <raphink> well so far it doesn't help much
[12:43] <raphink> I have created an odp on kpresenter
[12:43] <raphink> and can't read it well on ooo
[12:44] <kmon> a bug
[12:44] <kmon> that's why I was suggesting koffice 1.5.x
[12:44] <kmon> anyway...
[12:44] <kmon> it won't happen
[12:44] <kmon> Maybe with koffice 2
[12:45] <kmon> but I don't see that happening with 1.5
[12:45] <raphink> no
[12:46] <kmon> bye everyone
[12:46] <raphink> bye
[02:20] <raphink> silent night
[08:25] <mornfall> can someone close https://launchpad.net/bugs/41230 as a dupe of something i don't know number of? (kdesu not keeping user settings or somesuch)
[08:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41230 in ept adept "Adept does not honor system scheme" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[08:25] <mornfall> thanks :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> hey
[09:55] <OdyX> Hey Tonio_
[09:55] <Lure_> hey
[09:55] <OdyX> s/bug/big
[09:55] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[09:56] <Tonio_> is there a known issue with kdeprint, cups and dapper beta ?
[09:56] <Tonio_> I'm getting a 401 unauthorized error message
[09:56] <Tonio_> I absolutly need to print, since I got watter in my apartment all the night
[09:56] <superstoned> raphink, kmon: Koffice 1.5 indeed doesn't support writing to most M$ formats, and they don't intend to waste time on creating export filters. the problem with ooo opening a kpresenter file can be on both sides, oo.o isn't perfect in reading odf yet.
[09:56] <Tonio_> I need to print documents for insurances etc.......
[09:56] <Tonio_> so if there is a fix I would appreciate
[09:57] <superstoned> if print works, you can use it to print documents to pdf.
[09:57] <Tonio_> superstoned: I need paper printing ;)
[09:57] <superstoned> Tonio_ try to create a root user, seems to help. but printing is a problem, riddell is trying to fix it, afaik.
[09:58] <Tonio_> okay
[09:58] <Tonio_> it was working a few days ago....
[09:58] <Lure_> Tonio_: I have fixed your WEP problem - can you test package from repo
[09:58] <Tonio_> Lure_: I saw that, thanks much ;)
[09:59] <Tonio_> can't test here since I don't have my laptop anymore
[09:59] <Lure_> Tonio_: I have another three fixes ready... ;-)
[09:59] <Tonio_> Lure_: hehe
[09:59] <Lure_> Tonio_: LPT printer or USB?
[10:00] <Lure_> There was some commit yesterday abour rights (group) that were dropped causign print problems
[10:00] <Tonio_> superstoned: so I have to reactivate the root account, and then I should be able to configure cups with localhost:631 ?
[10:00] <Tonio_> Lure_: usb
[10:00] <Tonio_> I tried to configure it with kdesu systemsettings, but that doesn't help
[10:01] <Lure_> check permissions of /dev/ file for your printer - maybe manual change with chmod will help
[10:02] <Lure_> but it my be also cups authorization (and not device file)
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure_: already tried, but it doesn't........
[10:02] <Lure_> Tonio_: poke pitti in #ubuntu-devel?
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure_: maybe yes ;)
[10:04] <superstoned> Tonio_: maybe you can have a look at the groups your user is in, see if there is a print group? i can't really help you - i don't know how i got it working, and it only worked for a few days.
[10:20] <Tonio_> superstoned: supposed to work
[10:20] <Tonio_> superstoned: it apears the problem is linked to kdeprint since gnome-cups-manager works
[10:21] <superstoned> Tonio_: yeah, i read some ppl complaining about it. i'm totally not familiair with kdeprint, tough...
[10:21] <superstoned> hope it can be fixed for the final release.
[10:22] <OdyX> hey raphink
[10:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: try gnome apps...
[10:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: seems bad, but could work...
[10:31] <Tonio_> hey raphink
[10:31] <raphink> yo Tonio_
[10:31] <Tonio_> OdyX: works with gnome-cups-manager
[10:31] <Tonio_> raphink: j'ai t innond cette nuit
[10:31] <OdyX> Tonio_: so for insurance papers...
[10:31] <Tonio_> fucking merde de crotte
[10:31] <OdyX> Tonio_: merde...
[10:31] <raphink> argh
[10:32] <Tonio_> OdyX: that's what I'm doing
[10:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: on a 10 scale, what are the domages ?
[10:32] <raphink> :(
[10:32] <Tonio_> OdyX: no dommages........ for the moment
[10:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: fiouh...
[10:33] <Tonio_> because I worked on it all the night
[10:37] <Lure_> raphink: just sent you another 3 fixes for knetworkconf...
[10:37] <raphink> yes I saw that
[10:37] <raphink> Lure_: do you need 3 patches ?
[10:37] <raphink> could they be merged in one ?
[10:37] <Lure_> it is on debdiff with three patches as they address different problems
[10:38] <raphink> ok
[10:38] <raphink> could you be a bit more verbose in the changelog ?
[10:38] <Lure_> I thought this is better as fixes might get accepted upstream also on one-by-one basis
[10:38] <raphink> like explain what each patch does
[10:38] <Lure_> I can - I will send you new debdiff in couple of minutes
[10:38] <raphink> ok
[10:39] <raphink> ty
[10:59] <Tonio_> raphink: can I send you a debdiff for kdebase ?
[11:00] <Tonio_> we are removing the system protocol again :)
[11:00] <raphink> hahaha
[11:00] <raphink> vas y envoie
[11:00] <raphink> mais l je vais m'absenter un peu
[11:00] <raphink> je committerai plus tard
[11:00] <OdyXydO> Tonio_: ;-)
[11:00] <Tonio_> k
[11:01] <Tonio_> raphink: that's not "fun" :)
[11:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: isn't it working now ?
[11:01] <Tonio_> OdyX: printing ? with gnome-cups-manager, yes
[11:01] <Lure_> raphink: improved debdiff sent...
[11:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: no... system:/ protocol
[11:01] <Tonio_> OdyX: it is but it is still creating issues
[11:02] <Tonio_> that's not due to kubuntu specifically, bu to kde
[11:02] <OdyX> Tonio_: lyke system:/home ??
[11:03] <Tonio_> OdyX: like with gtk apps or something
[11:03] <Tonio_> OdyX: exactly
[11:03] <OdyX> OpenOffice... :'|
[11:04] <Tonio_> OdyX: there is a fix commeted for this
[11:04] <Tonio_> commited
[11:04] <OdyX> Tonio_: I just related  know exemple..
[11:04] <OdyX> I hac no problem here..
[11:05] <OdyX> s/hac/have
[11:05] <Tonio_> OdyX: kind of yes ;)
[11:05] <Tonio_> gimp also
[11:08] <seaLne> are there new (last week or so) problems with cups?
[11:10] <OdyX> seaLne: ask Tonio_... He has some,...
[11:11] <seaLne> http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups.png before print dialog then http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups2.png after and no printout
[11:12] <seaLne> Tonio_: ^ ?
[11:16] <OdyX> who cares about amarok 1.4beta3 bugs ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> seaLne: yes ?
[11:28] <Lure_> seaLne: you should report - I get similar but it prints see bug 41151
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41151
[11:28] <Lure_> or at least append info to this bug...
[11:29] <OdyX> Lure_: This could not be related with Riddell's debs ?
[11:29] <OdyX> I mean... test ones
[11:29] <Lure_> OdyX: I thing Riddell's debs are now in offical repo
[11:29] <OdyX> OK.
[11:58] <Lure_> raphink: thanks for upload
[11:58] <raphink> :)
[11:59] <raphink> Lure_: I'm testing korganizer again
[11:59] <raphink> it crashes on beta live
[11:59] <raphink> even using english
[11:59] <raphink> so it doeesn't seem to be linked to i18n
[12:00] <raphink> what I find really weird is that it doesn't crash when you choose "new task" before choosing "new event"
[12:02] <seaLne> today was the first day i noticed the second error, i think a few days ago i got the first error and it printed
[12:06] <Lure_> raphink: still cannot reproduce here... will try live CD on my desktop
[12:06] <raphink> ok
[12:06] <Lure_> raphink: I however experience slow dialog opening/closing which is mentioned in bug I thinl
[12:07] <raphink> ok
[12:07] <Lure_> maybe my profile has something that prevents crash ;-)
[12:07] <raphink> hehe
[12:17] <raphink> eve Hobbsee
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hi raphink
[01:09] <Lure_> raphink: still no crash on live... :-)
[01:10] <Lure> raphink: where exactly do you select Add event - from menu or toolbar? from witch context of Kontact (calendar or to-do)?
[01:23] <Lure> This is nice idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker
[01:31] <OdyX> POWERFUL Lure !!!
[01:31] <OdyX> Lure: just make a QT frontend.. :D
[01:34] <Hobbsee> now that'd be cool
[01:37] <raphink> interesting
[01:37] <raphink> I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that
[01:39] <OdyX> raphink: libept... which is ever translated in FR :D
[01:39] <raphink> hehe
[01:44] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[01:44] <Tonio_> Sime: ping ?
[01:48] <mornfall> raphink: what?
[01:48] <raphink> yo Tonio_
[01:48] <raphink> mornfall: what what?
[01:48] <mornfall> raphink:       raphink | #kubuntu-dev % I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that
[01:49] <raphink> ah for this stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker
[01:49] <raphink> if it was ported to Qt
[01:51] <Tonio_> anyone here is using the proprietary nvidia drivers ?
[01:52] <OdyX> Tonio_: I do.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Lure: you going to be around for a while?
[01:52] <Tonio_> OdyX: do you have problems with the default size font ?
[01:52] <OdyX> Tonio_: yep... I reported a bug there for...
[01:52] <Lure> Hobbsee: hi - yes unless I get disconnected during my knetworkconf tests ;-)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> okay
[01:53] <Tonio_> OdyX: when I use the free driver, font size is normal, but when I switch to the proprietary, fonts are getting very little
[01:53] <OdyX> Tonio_: restarted X or rebooted ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> OdyX: so that I have to switch size to 12 to get back to normal size
[01:53] <Tonio_> OdyX: rebooted
[01:53] <Tonio_> and restarted
[01:53] <Tonio_> I did both
[01:53] <OdyX> Tonio_: try to just restarted X.
[01:53] <OdyX> Well...
[01:53] <OdyX> AFAIK, it depends...
[01:53] <Lure> OdyX: it is probably that one of the drivers do not calcualates DPI properly and is set to 75 (default) instead of something sane
[01:53] <Tonio_> OdyX: I just reinstalled to get a clean beta installation and that's the same issue
[01:54] <OdyX> Lure: exactly...
[01:54] <Lure> You need to add DisplaySize to your Monitor section
[01:54] <OdyX> it's KDM...
[01:54] <Tonio_> Lure: probably better to discuss this with Sime I think
[01:54] <OdyX> bug 37072
[01:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37072 in kdebase kdm "After installing (and enabling) of nvidia-glx, KDM makes wrong DRI guesses" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37072
[01:54] <OdyX> found it ^^^
[01:54] <Tonio_> OdyX: ah ?
[01:54] <OdyX> it's that, huh ?
[01:54] <mornfall> commonhooker? :)
[01:55] <mornfall> all of ubuntu shares one hooker? </nasty>
[01:55] <mornfall> somenoe's got a talent for names
[01:55] <Tonio_> isn't guidance supposed to set the xft-dpi to 96 ?
[01:55] <Tonio_> maybe there is a little bug in guidance, since I didn't got those issues 2 weeks ago
[01:55] <Tonio_> it appeared about 4 or 5 days
[01:56] <Lure> OdyX: you should check whay xdpyinfo | grep resolution to see what is detected
[01:56] <OdyX> Lure: I appplied my solution
[01:56] <OdyX> Lure: so when should I test ?
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: that makes sense.... dpi are set to 75 by default, and xft-dpi are not patched to match 96
[01:56] <OdyX> Lure:
[01:56] <OdyX> xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[01:56] <Tonio_> I will discuss this with sime
[01:56] <OdyX>   resolution:    100x100 dots per inch
[01:56] <Lure> OdyX: you should try first free , then binary and compare
[01:57] <OdyX> Lure: This is because I set it at 100...
[01:57] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution
[01:57] <Tonio_>   resolution:    75x75 dots per inch
[01:57] <Tonio_> I have 75
[01:57] <Tonio_> but as far as know, for fonts, dpi should be set to 96 by default
[01:57] <Tonio_> that is patched by guidance
[01:57] <Lure> OdyX: you should not set it with -dpi, but rather like allee suggest here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet
[01:57] <OdyX> Tonio_: or detected correctly...
[01:58] <Tonio_> OdyX: hu ?
[01:58] <Tonio_> maybe yes
[01:58] <OdyX> Lure: Mention it in the bug report please...
[01:58] <Lure> Tonio_: font dpi patching is also broken is recent kde-guidance - see bug 40683
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40683 in kde-guidance "Fonts extremely small post 21APR06 updates" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40683
[01:58] <Lure> easy to fix though...
[01:59] <Tonio_> Ubugtu: that's exactly my problem
[01:59] <Tonio_> Lure: ahhhhhhhhhhh that's why  :)
[01:59] <Tonio_> that's a guidance issue
[01:59] <OdyX> Lure: so ?? I don't get the point...
[02:00] <Lure> OdyX: you should fix kde-guidance as mentioned in 40683, then you should give hint to X server in xorg.conf with DisplaySize about your screen size in order to detect DPI properly
[02:01] <Lure> and you should remove -dpi from kdmrc
[02:02] <Tonio_> ok I'm testing
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Lure: well, i have good news and bad news...
[02:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: start with good, then I will run ;-)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:05] <Tonio_> that's better ;)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> good news is that on the 2.6.15-21-386 without ndiswrapper, the machine locks before it hibernates.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> bad news:  it still goes back to the login window, which rather defies the point.
[02:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: this is really strange bug - I have seen another report on mailing list...
[02:06] <Hobbsee> also, with the latest compiled ndiswrapper, and 2.6.15-21-686, it doesnt work adn the machine just freezes - i suspect that may be to do with ndiswrapper, which seemed to shut down teh wireless card, and eventually restart it
[02:06] <Hobbsee> i'm suspecting that ndiswrapper is the problem, i'll test that in a min...
[02:07] <Lure> Hobbsee: cannot help much with ndiswrapper, but I would really like to nail down this kdm logout problem
[02:07] <OdyX> ndiswrapper IS a problem though.. :-\
[02:08] <Lure> you mention that machine "locks before hibernate" - you actually see lock dialog?
[02:08] <Tonio_> I have problems on my laptop
[02:08] <OdyX> Tonio_: as do I...
[02:08] <Tonio_> the machine fails to shutdown correctly sometimes
[02:09] <Tonio_> and I have to remove the battery to power it on again
[02:09] <Tonio_> I was suspecting ndiswrapper but since it worked for month........
[02:09] <Tonio_> I don't know if that isn't also a hardware issue
[02:09] <Lure> Tonio_: there are similar report - it hangs where - just before terminating processes?
[02:09] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[02:09] <Tonio_> then the only solution to shut it down properly is to remove the battery
[02:10] <Tonio_> is that what you get ?
[02:10] <Lure> I have seen major discussion recently in Malone with mdz pushing hard to get this solved somehow
[02:10] <Tonio_> so that is a software related issue ?
[02:10] <Tonio_> strange.....
[02:10] <Lure> Tonio_: no, shutdown works for me if ATI does not hang the system before (20% chance with "ati" and 100% with "fglrx")
[02:10] <Lure> :-(
[02:10] <Tonio_> the screen shuts down, the keyboard doesn't respond
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: yes, it goes to screensaver, if you move the mouse, it asks for a p/w, as it should
[02:11] <Tonio_> everything seems to be stoped, but the wifi led lights
[02:11] <Hobbsee> and for some reason, that didnt hibernate at all...just went to screensaver and sat there
[02:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: did you install the system with install CD or live CD installer?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> install cd, flight 4
[02:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I have that just after the message "system will now halt"
[02:12] <Tonio_> that's why I was suspecting an hardware issue
[02:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: wild guess - can you check /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume that it points to your swap partition?
[02:13] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[02:14] <raphink> pong
[02:14] <Tonio_> raphinou je t'envoi le packet kdebase
[02:14] <Tonio_> mais sans le orig
[02:14] <Tonio_> juste le dsc et le diff oki ?
[02:14] <Tonio_> c a la demande de riddell donc tu peux uploader sans soucis
[02:14] <raphink> ben dans ce cas envoie un debdiff
[02:14] <raphink> ce sera plus simple
[02:15] <Tonio_> raphink: faut aussi virer trash.desktop du bureau
[02:15] <Tonio_> pkoi tu l'as pas vir celui la ? il sert a qque chose ?
[02:15] <raphink> j'ai pas trouv comment Tonio_
[02:15] <raphink> si tu trouves je suis partant
[02:15] <Tonio_> ah ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> oki je check
[02:15] <raphink> ;)
[02:15] <raphink> il est pas install par un paquet
[02:15] <raphink> je pense qu'il est install par un programme au run
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Lure: will do, give me a sec.  old school friend has rung up in search of a blank cd
[02:15] <Lure> Tonio_: check bug 31993 and bug 39652 (and many others)
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31993 in acpi "Shutdown no longer powers off computer (Dapper laptop)" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31993
[02:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39652 in Ubuntu "laptop doesnt poweroff after shutdown on toshiba A105-S361" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39652
[02:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: no pb
[02:16] <raphink> dpkg -S trash.desktop
[02:16] <OdyX> Tonio_: can you hibernate with nvidia/kpowersave ?
[02:16] <raphink> Lure: I don't test within kontact
[02:16] <raphink> Lure: test running korganizer as standalone
[02:16] <Tonio_> OdyX: I don't have my laptop here to test
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Lure: er.....how do i check where my swap is?
[02:16] <OdyX> Tonio_: OK.
[02:16] <raphink> Tonio_:
[02:16] <raphink>  $ dpkg -S trash.desktop
[02:16] <raphink> kdelibs-data: /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-trash.desktop
[02:16] <raphink> kdebase-kio-plugins: /usr/share/services/kfile_trash.desktop
[02:16] <raphink> that's all I get
[02:17] <Tonio_> yep that's it
[02:17] <Lure> cat /proc/swaps
[02:17] <raphink> trash.desktop is not installed by a package
[02:17] <raphink> hence why I didn't care to remove it
[02:17] <OdyX> $ grep swap /etc/fstab
[02:17] <OdyX> ?
[02:17] <Lure> raphink: will try that
[02:17] <Tonio_> raphink: hum, strange
[02:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: yep, it's right
[02:17] <raphink> is Ubiquity the new name of Espresso?
[02:17] <Lure> raphink: yes
[02:17] <raphink> ok
[02:18] <Tonio_> raphink: certainly created while launching kde for the first time
[02:18] <Tonio_> sounds weird......
[02:18] <raphink> Tonio_: I guess, but no idea by what process
[02:18] <raphink> and I don't find it worth it to find it out right now
[02:18] <Tonio_> raphink: will check and correct this also
[02:18] <raphink> maybe in Edgy when we have time for this
[02:18] <Tonio_> startkde maybe ?
[02:18] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:18] <raphink> huhu
[02:18] <Tonio_> let me check this
[02:18] <raphink> I doubt so
[02:18] <raphink> ok
[02:19] <MidMark> hi to all
[02:20] <MidMark> someone could tell me why there are no <IP_ADDRESS> updates for mozillas packages?
[02:20] <Lure> MidMark: probably still in review (diff is 30K LOC) :-(
[02:21] <raphink> + it's UVF
[02:21] <MidMark> UVF?
[02:21] <raphink> + firefox is not a kubuntu app
[02:21] <raphink> Upstream Version Freeze
[02:21] <raphink> we've been in UVF for a few months now
[02:21] <raphink> which means we can't just upgrade programs when we want to
[02:21] <MidMark> I know
[02:21] <raphink> Dapper is to be released in a month
[02:21] <raphink> so we only update packages if it's safe and worth it
[02:21] <MidMark> but they are security updates
[02:22] <raphink> MidMark: then I'm sure it will be included soon
[02:22] <raphink> otherwise ping people on #ubuntu-devel
[02:22] <raphink> this is #kubuntu-devel heree
[02:22] <MidMark> raphink: ok
[02:22] <raphink> and our default browser is konqueror :)
[02:24] <raphink> would be nice to have it wear a kubuntu one
[02:24] <Tonio_> raphink: locate directory.trash
[02:24] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> seems it is this one
[02:24] <raphink> ah
[02:24] <raphink> interesting
[02:24] <Tonio_> it is copied and renamed when launched for the first time
[02:24] <raphink> ok
[02:25] <Tonio_> raphink: better patching kde to avoid the copy or simply not installing it ?
[02:25] <raphink> well you can test both
[02:25] <raphink> I'd say remove the desktop
[02:25] <Tonio_> yep
[02:25] <raphink> but then test that it doesn't have kde crash on it
[02:25] <raphink> with a clean profile
[02:25] <Tonio_> I will try remove the file locally and create a new profile
[02:26] <raphink> k
[02:27] <Lure> raphink: icon was replaced yesterday by kwwii's
[02:27] <raphink> ah ok :)
[02:27] <raphink> great
[02:28] <Lure> it is the one you see on kubuntu.org
[02:28] <Lure> raphink: now it crashes (live CD)!
[02:28] <raphink> hehe
[02:28] <raphink> pfiew
[02:29] <Lure> newer used korganizer...
[02:29] <Lure> raphink: do you want me to look into this?
[02:29] <raphink> sure if you can :)
[02:29] <raphink> that'd be great
[02:29] <Lure> I would like to reproduce it on my laptop as everything is here (devel env) though...
[02:30] <raphink> ok
[02:31] <Tonio_> raphink: works :)
[02:31] <Tonio_> sending you the debdiff
[02:31] <raphink> great Tonio_
[02:31] <raphink> ok
[02:31] <raphink> send me all your debdiffs ;)
[02:35] <Tonio_> raphink: I just noticed we do not have bogofilter installed by default anymore........
[02:36] <Tonio_> it was usefull for easy kmail configuration
[02:36] <raphink> I don't want it
[02:36] <Tonio_> why ?
[02:36] <raphink> I'd rather have spamassassin if any
[02:36] <raphink> bogofilter doesn't triage my spam properly
[02:36] <raphink> I've had bad experiences with it
[02:36] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, but spamassassin is a pain for resources.......
[02:37] <Tonio_> well, anyway it would be nice to have at least one antispam installed by default
[02:37] <kwwii> Riddell: did Jane also agree to printing the broshures?
[02:37] <raphink> I agree spamassassin kills resources
[02:37] <raphink> but it's the only one that works properly
[02:37] <Tonio_> raphink: otherwise don't be surprised people use thunderbird
[02:37] <raphink> bogofilter would put personal messages as spam
[02:37] <raphink> and I don't want users to see their emails put in spam just because they have contacts using yahoo or hotmail
[02:37] <Tonio_> raphink: bogofilter required a longuer scanning time, but works nicelly then
[02:38] <Tonio_> but you have to tag for a few days, I agree
[02:38] <Tonio_> what else could be installed ?
[02:38] <Tonio_> raphink: to me bogofilter is nice, really
[02:38] <Tonio_> not as good as K9 which is the best antispam I've seen but quite correct
[02:39] <Tonio_> raphink: what else does kmail manage ?
[02:39] <raphink> no idea
[02:39] <raphink> Lure: hehe
[02:42] <Lure> raphink: so many errors reported that it is a shame... :-(
[02:42] <Tonio_> raphink: I think that should be discussed tomorrow
[02:42] <raphink> ok
[02:42] <Lure> raphink: there are for sure false positives, but still...
[02:42] <Tonio_> cause that will make people switching to thunderbird, for sure
[02:42] <raphink> Tonio_: we can talk about that on thursday
[02:42] <Tonio_> and we don't want that ;)
[02:43] <Lure> Tonio_: their bad if they switch - no support from great Kubuntu team ;-)
[02:43] <Tonio_> raphink: having it installed by default doesn't mean using it
[02:43] <raphink> sure
[02:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: korganizer ?? bad ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> you can still install spamassassin and configure kmail to use it
[02:43] <Tonio_> OdyX nope kmail
[02:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: well.. it works...
[02:44] <OdyX> mainly
[02:44] <Tonio_> raphink: to me installing bogofilter by default just makes it faster to configure kmail, that's all
[02:44] <Tonio_> and honneslty people who use an antispam tool take the risk to loose mails
[02:44] <raphink> sure
[02:44] <Lure> raphink: valgrind complains: "More than 100000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more."
[02:45] <raphink> ouch
[02:45] <Tonio_> raphink: do you know why bogofilter doesn't for you ?
[02:45] <Tonio_> because you only tag spams
[02:45] <Tonio_> you have to tag good messages to make it work properly :)
[02:45] <raphink> ah
[02:45] <raphink> ic
[02:45] <raphink> I have tons of good messges
[02:45] <raphink> hundreds a day
[02:45] <Tonio_> cause it works better when it has both white and black lists ;)
[02:45] <Tonio_> c'est logique coco :)
[02:46] <raphink> oui
[02:46] <Tonio_> spamassassin is less sensitive, I agree with you, but as it kills resources........
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Lure: hmmm...interesting
[02:46] <Hobbsee> same problems with 2.6.15-21-686 as the -386 version
[02:46] <mornfall> hmm, i have 1700 new spams
[02:46] <mornfall> i haven't seen yet
[02:46] <Lure> Hobbsee: did klaptop work for you anytime?
[02:46] <mornfall> in spam.confident
[02:46] <OdyX_> for me... it works pretty well with Spamassassin...
[02:47] <Tonio_> mornfall: I personnaly use amavisd with spamassassin
[02:47] <Tonio_> but that's not adapted to a desktop usage, honnestly ;)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Lure: er...no, not that i recall.  it may have done once, early in the release cycle.  kpowersave worked perfectly for a while though
[02:47] <Tonio_> best antispam is by far sbl/rbl lists
[02:48] <Tonio_> I don't know why they are not used widely by email providers.......
[02:48] <OdyX_> Lure: I changed my screen stuff... I get something funny..
[02:48] <OdyX_> Lure: http://pastebin.com/680836
[02:48] <Tonio_> raphink: got the debdiff ?
[02:48] <OdyX_> that's a bug, huh Lure ?
[02:48] <raphink> yes
[02:48] <mornfall> crm is too good for me to inspect spam.confident
[02:48] <Tonio_> raphink: don't upload plz ;)
[02:48] <raphink> pour kdebase Tonio_?
[02:48] <raphink> ah ok
[02:48] <Tonio_> I have another modification to provide
[02:48] <raphink> ok
[02:48] <raphink> fine
[02:48] <raphink> I'll wait
[02:49] <Tonio_> I have to improve the gtk_qt_engine default installation
[02:49] <mornfall> something like a hundred spams a day, well, umm
[02:49] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: may I upload new package to universe now?
[02:49] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: no
[02:49] <Tonio_> mornfall: I got 700 spams a day
[02:49] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: unless you have the authorization from above
[02:49] <mornfall> Tonio_: heh, that's extreme
[02:49] <Tonio_> when I started using sbl/rbl lists, it went to 2 maximum
[02:49] <Tonio_> mornfall: and I never lost a message :)
[02:50] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: who can give?
[02:50] <Tonio_> and that doesn't require any config
[02:50] <raphink> kamion, elmo..
[02:50] <mornfall> Tonio_: no, with those lists it's that you don't know when you lose messages :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> mornfall: extremely lightweight, since it uses dns
[02:50] <Lure> OdyX: it looks like stupid binary driver does not respect DisplaySize
[02:50] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes true, but I never heard about a lost message :)
[02:50] <OdyX> Lure: If not gives in kdmrc...
[02:50] <mornfall> Tonio_: i usually just pretend people whose rbl filters think i am spammer don't exist
[02:50] <Lure> OdyX: which size of display do you have in inch?
[02:51] <Tonio_> mornfall: and I monitored it for my company for a complete week (15000 messages to look in postfix logs), was about the perfection
[02:51] <OdyX> Lure: I have a 1920x1200 that displays correctly at 100DPI... but nothing to get it's real size
[02:51] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: do you have nice skim screenshots in kubuntu?
[02:51] <raphink> with the default look
[02:51] <mornfall> Tonio_: well, let's also note that you can't treat mailing list spam with that
[02:51] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/
[02:51] <Tonio_> raphink: we should patch the skim desktop file
[02:52] <Tonio_> it is not correctly implemented actually, no genericname etc.....
[02:52] <OdyX> Lure: what's the best to do ???
[02:52] <raphink> what for?
[02:52] <raphink> ah
[02:52] <Tonio_> raphink: cause there is a standatd
[02:52] <raphink> sure
[02:52] <mornfall> Tonio_: only about 1/3rd of spam i get is addressed to my primary mail
[02:52] <raphink> freeflying-ibook could do that ;)
[02:52] <Tonio_> capital first letter fir name etc........
[02:52] <mornfall> for which i control smtp
[02:52] <Tonio_> mornfall: MLs ?
[02:53] <Lure> OdyX: did you fix kde-guidance script - then stay with -dpi + this fix
[02:53] <Tonio_> ah !!!!!!!!! kmplayer went to main finally ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> great
[02:53] <mornfall> Tonio_: university, debian, ...
[02:53] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ?
[02:53] <OdyX> Lure: you wait ME to fix it ??
[02:53] <mornfall> 10% of spam is to uni address which i need to read but can't control
[02:53] <OdyX> mornfall: IMAP ?
[02:54] <mornfall> OdyX: what's with imap?
[02:54] <mornfall> it exists yeah
[02:54] <mornfall> :-)
[02:54] <Lure> OdyX: this is -devel channel, so it is expected yes ;-)
[02:54] <OdyX> Lure: Well... OK...
[02:54] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: you can not access here http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/scrothots/skim/
[02:54] <OdyX> Lure: apt-get source kde-guidance ??
[02:54] <Lure> OdyX: it is a simple fix, you just need to add one line to one file with editor
[02:54] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: ah
[02:54] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: could you send me the pics ?
[02:54] <OdyX> Lure: but fix it for Dapper or for me ?
[02:55] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ok
[02:55] <OdyX> mornfall: I was just wondering why you said "can't control"
[02:55] <Lure> OdyX: just for you until Dapper will get new version (Sime is working on it)
[02:55] <raphink> well it's ok I got in it freeflying-ibook
[02:55] <mornfall> OdyX: well, if you can change your university smtp configuration, why not
[02:55] <mornfall> OdyX: *i* can't
[02:56] <mornfall> OdyX: (wrt anti-spam measures)
[02:56] <raphink> ah can't see the pics though
[02:56] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: just send me the pics please :)
[02:56] <mornfall> --> food
[02:56] <raphink> so I can talk about CJK support a bit
[02:56] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: nope
[02:56] <OdyX> mornfall: we have an anti spam on our IMAP boxes...
[02:56] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: preferably small images :)
[02:56] <raphink> just to illustrate a slide
[02:57] <mornfall> OdyX: so what
[02:57] <mornfall> OdyX: that doesn't make me any more able to change it
[02:57] <OdyX_> mornfall: so just misunderstood....
[02:57] <freeflying-ibook> heh, my konqueror crashes often
[02:58] <Lure> OdyX: open sudo kate /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore
[02:59] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: I;d mail you tomorror
[02:59] <raphink> ty
[03:00] <OdyX> Lure: ?? No....
[03:00] <OdyX> Lure: just killing my :1 test...
[03:00] <Lure> ok, I though you left
[03:00] <Lure> now go to line 22
[03:00] <Lure> and add new line saying "import syslog"
[03:00] <raphink> actually I've found one freeflying-ibook so it's ok
[03:00] <Lure> save and restart you KDM session
[03:01] <allee> Lure: about tons of error, there are 'hundreds' of simple bug fixes in kde3_5_branch.  Have not checked who many for korganizer :(
[03:01] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: okey, I'm suffering the crash on ppc now
[03:01] <Tonio_> hum, what is the gnome equivalent of startkde or startkfce4 ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> gnome-session ?
[03:01] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: ah?
[03:01] <OdyX> Lure: thanks.
[03:01] <OdyX> Lure: trying...
[03:01] <Lure> allee: hi!
[03:01] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: konqueror krita and others
[03:02] <OdyX> Lure: should I let DisplaySize in xorg.conf ?
[03:02] <raphink> freeflying-ibook: really?
[03:02] <Lure> allee: when is 3.5.3?
[03:02] <raphink> I don't have crashes
[03:02] <allee> hi.   I got a ping due to 'DPI' mentioned ;)
[03:02] <allee> Lure: not planed yet AFAIK
[03:02] <Lure> allee: DPI DPI DPI DPI...
[03:02] <allee> ping ping ping ping ....
[03:02] <Lure> so that is the keyword... ;-)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:02] <allee> Lure one oh dozend ;)
[03:03] <allee> s/oh/of/
[03:03] <Tonio_> what is the primary gnome binary file ?
[03:04] <freeflying-ibook> raphink: ya
[03:06] <allee> Lure: about the bugs.  If there interest, one could check if debian still included branch pulls and their experience
[03:06] <allee> Lure: one they talked about removing them, 'cause a temprary bug in branch got pulled and upset quite some people.
[03:07] <allee> Lure: on the other hand since I follow kde35 commits, I can hardly beleave that KDE does not crash every second :)
[03:08] <Lure> :-(
[03:08] <Lure> allee: currently I am faster in fixing bugs myself than finding my way in kde svn, bugzilla...
[03:09] <allee> Lure: yeah, it's much easier to just pull branch and get dozend - hunderts bugs fixed [with the risk to get a few new bugs :) ]
[03:10] <Lure> allee: yes, but that is Riddell's call - and he is not around ;-)
[03:10] <allee> Lure: do you commit your fixes to kde svn?  I don't remember you
[03:11] <Lure> allee: no - my first fix for KDE was probably 2 weeks ago when I helped Tonio with kmplayer
[03:11] <Lure> ;-)
[03:11] <Lure> I have just asked Riddell today what is the process to get this upstream...
[03:13] <allee> Lure: usually send if you new to the app.  Send to the right -devel list of bts.  If the bug is trival and your sure fix is right do it directly ;)
[03:14] <Lure> what do you mean "directly"?
[03:14] <allee> uh,oh  first part is crap
[03:14] <allee> directly == svn commit
[03:15] <Lure> allee: anybody can get svn write rights?
[03:16] <Lure> allee: I will go with mailing lists but this needs time to find right target - it would be nice if we would have this in Launchpad and would just attach patch there and would go to upstream (whoever) automatically
[03:19] <allee> Lure: yeah, doin' things twice in lp and b.k.o is boring and error prone.
[03:20] <allee> Lure: afair send an e-mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:23] <allee> Lure: or ask Riddel to do it.  having someone, known by KDE guys, recommending you, speed things up (usually next one,two days)
[03:23] <allee> bbl
[03:23] <Lure> allee: thanks
[03:24] <allee> ahh and last but not least hi and bye to Tonio_ raphink Hobbsee et al
[03:24] <raphink> hi allee
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hi allee
[03:31] <Tonio_> allee: ^^
[04:01] <jjesse> riddell any idea on when i can get espresso images w/o beta in them to include in the book?
[04:02] <OdyX> jjesse: compile it yourself ?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> jjesse: riddell's not here...
[04:02] <jjesse> Hobbsee: d'oh just noticed that
[04:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:03] <jjesse> OdyX: if i compile it myself will the images not have beta in them?
[04:03] <OdyX> jjesse: no...
[04:03] <OdyX> jjesse: you should edit the code to remove beta...
[04:04] <jjesse> OdyX: ummm how do i do that :P
[04:05] <OdyX> jjesse: dunno...
[04:05] <OdyX> jjesse: I'm about to leave... But I could give a sight...
[04:06] <jjesse> hmm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta that i did, only the first image has "This is a beta version" text
[04:07] <OdyX> jjesse: Why not erasing it in a photoshop-like ?
[04:08] <jjesse> OdyX: going to try that
[04:08] <OdyX> jjesse: want me to do it... it's ten seconds...
[04:13] <jjesse> OdyX: took care of it already
[04:13] <jjesse> OdyX: thanks for the suggestion :)
[04:13] <OdyX> jjesse: OK. Fine then.
[04:16] <Tonio_> OdyX: in the kde world, we don't say "photoshop-like" but "krita" ;)
[04:16] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know.. but Krita is slow... :D
[04:17] <Tonio_> OdyX: all graphical editors are slow
[04:17] <Tonio_> although I agree gimp is fastest than krita
[04:17] <OdyX> Tonio_: but gimp is faster (a lot...) than krita.
[04:17] <OdyX> grillaid
[04:17] <Tonio_> OdyX: kulay !!!!
[04:18] <Tonio_> ah non ca va c moi qui t'ai grilled ;)
[04:22] <Tonio_> OdyX: but krita has a "human readable" gui :)
[04:22] <Tonio_> which is important too
[04:22] <Tonio_> honnestly, the gimp ugly UI isn't a legend to me
[04:23] <OdyX> clear...
[04:23] <OdyX> bad habit of different windows...
[04:23] <sabdfl> hey all
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi sabdfl
[04:24] <sabdfl> i want to mail an invitation to Kubuntu and KDE community members to come to LinuxTag on May 6 to chart the future of kubuntu
[04:24] <sabdfl> which mailing lists would you recommend?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> kubuntu devel and kubuntu users, i would expect...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> those are the ones that most people subscribe too, if they subscribe at all
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hi again Riddell
[04:26] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: ^ if you didnt see
[04:26] <sabdfl> Riddell: i'm going to mail that invite to -announce could you bounce to Kubuntu and KDE places please?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: if he doesnt, i'll try to remember to (*writes note in background*)
[04:29] <Riddell> sabdfl: my e-mail is down, so it may not be a prompot bounce
[04:29] <OdyX> Bye all.
[04:37] <superstoned> bye
[04:49] <sabdfl> did that make it through?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: the annoucement on ubuntu-annoucement?
[04:50] <sabdfl> Hobbsee: yup
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hasnt come through here yet... (darn the redirects)
[04:51] <sabdfl> Riddell: could you +1 that mail to kubuntu-devel please?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> it's there now...
[04:53] <Hobbsee> on announce
[04:56] <Hobbsee> oh crud...must sleep...and deliver car in tomorrow...night all
[04:56] <Riddell> sabdfl: it'll reject it if you're not subscribed, try sending again I added a filter for @ubuntu.com and @canonical.com
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: since both you and sabdfl are there, what is the decided standard shortcuts for tabs switching ?
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I looked and it is pretty easy to implement with k-d-s
[04:58] <sabdfl> Riddell: sent
[04:58] <Tonio_> I can do it right now if ctrl + pgup/pgdown is the decided thing
[04:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: control + pgup/pgdown was what sabdfl suggested, seems sensible to me
[04:59] <Riddell> although no doubt it'll clash with something
[04:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's an issue, yes, I have to look carefully for every application set
[05:00] <Riddell> yes, konsole uses control-page up/down for scrolling
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not making usage of special/win key
[05:00] <Riddell> my laptop doesn't have a win key :)
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: ibm ? :)
[05:00] <Riddell> yes
[05:01] <Tonio_> hehe, or maybe ctrl + alt + pgup
[05:01] <sabdfl> Riddell: it clashes with gedit a little, thats paragraph up/down
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: removing ctrl + pgup from konsole ? that's not nice to me, but well, if we decide this as a standard.....
[05:02] <Tonio_> sabdfl: why not ctrl + alt instead of simply ctrl ?
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: ctrl + page up/down isn't defined here with konsole, on a fresh beta installation
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that personnal settings ?
[05:05] <Riddell> you sure?  make sure you're using a screen that can be scrolled
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: scrolling is maj + page up/down
[05:05] <Tonio_> at least on my default installation
[05:05] <Riddell> maj?
[05:05] <Tonio_> sorry, shift :)
[05:06] <Tonio_> maj is french translation
[05:07] <Tonio_> shift + page up/down is the default here
[05:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, you're right
[05:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: so control-pageup/down good with me
[05:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see any conflict concerning those 4 apps, but I agree with it can issues with others
[05:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm adding this right now
[05:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I patched the gtk_qt autoconfig in startkde
[05:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: files will not be copied if kfce of gnome are installed
[05:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: raphink has the debdiff (as you were not here), he will upload
[05:12] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: ping
[05:13] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: pong ?
[05:13] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: is ktranslator maintained by you?
[05:13] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: I packages it initially
[05:14] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: not sure the actual version is mine, let me check
[05:14] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: yes it is
[05:14] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: it's need dependent on dictd
[05:14] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: oups !!
[05:14] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: you seems forget it heh
[05:14] <Tonio_> didn't I hadded it ?
[05:14] <Tonio_> damn....... great, let me change this :)
[05:15] <freeflying-ibook> thanks
[05:15] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: dict or dict-client ?
[05:15] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: dictd
[05:15] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: ho dictd
[05:17] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: at least Suggests
[05:17] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: recommands is better I think
[05:17] <Tonio_> but that's not a depends thing
[05:18] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: I prefer to depends ,heh
[05:18] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: doesn't it work without it ?
[05:18] <freeflying-ibook> dictd format dictionary are more common than others
[05:19] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: true, so let's add depends
[05:19] <freeflying-ibook> nice,  :)
[05:21] <freeflying-ibook> Tonio_: seems you'd add festival and gocr to Suggests
[05:22] <Tonio_> freeflying-ibook: yep
[05:23] <freeflying-ibook> ok, nites all
[05:28] <sabdfl> did that mail hit kubuntu-devel?
[05:28] <robotgeek> howdy sabdfl
[05:29] <robotgeek> sabdfl: yup, got it. i'm sure this will get onto digg or something
[05:30] <sabdfl> cool, thanks
[05:34] <jjesse> if we can't make it to linuxtag will there be a way to contribute to the converstation?
[05:41] <jpatrick> moin
[05:41] <jjesse> anyone ever tried to use espresso in vmplayer?  i just closes out when I get to the disk section
[05:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: maybe we can upload kexi-mdb now? (now that 1.5 is in)
[05:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: yeah, well remembered
[05:45] <Lure> Riddell: are daily live CD's now more trustful (in regards partitions)?
[05:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: is it in revu?
[05:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: not yt
[05:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: just got to rebuild it to make sure it works
[05:45] <Riddell> Lure: there was still an error in the installer yesterday (unrelated), not sure if an upload has been done to fix that
[05:46] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will wait until next week then (when back from vacation)
[05:46] <mornfall> robotgeek: good that you like it :)
[05:46] <robotgeek> mornfall: easy to use and all the nice stuff
[05:54] <mornfall> robotgeek: well, it's not that hard, maybe you could contribute code? :-))
[05:55] <robotgeek> mornfall: is it c++? (i have to learn)
[05:55] <mornfall> yeah, c++
[05:55] <mornfall> what else :)
[05:56] <robotgeek> :)
[05:56] <Riddell> adept?  make sure you know about C++ templates before playing with that :)
[05:56] <mornfall> Riddell: why, you have looked? :P
[05:57] <mornfall> not that adept itself is too heavy on templates
[05:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/681132
[05:57] <mornfall> considering you can't have a template with signals/slots
[05:57] <Riddell> mornfall: I've watched it compiling many a time
[05:57] <mornfall> heh
[05:57] <mornfall> okey
[05:58] <mornfall> gcc error output is sometimes... lovely
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing new k-d-s and give you a url for debdiff
[07:07] <Tonio_> cool I can go to linuxtag on 06 ;)
[07:07] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:08] <Tonio_> jpatrick: :(
[07:32] <kwwii> does Riddell have vacation today?
[07:32] <kwwii> first time I can think of that he is not in chat :-)
[08:07] <jjesse> don't remember if i asked, but anyone try to use espresso in vm player to install to a disk?
[08:16] <jjesse> do we need to keep a bug that deals with a flight4 live cd open?
[08:17] <crimsun> depends if it has been closed
[08:17] <crimsun> s/closed/fixed/
[08:18] <jjesse> still as "unconfirmed" but i'm not experiencing the same problem on my live cd
[08:18] <crimsun> adding that as a comment is helpful
[08:44] <raphink> kwwii: will you be in linuxtag?
[08:44] <kwwii> raphink: yes
[08:44] <raphink> kwwii: where do you come from?
[08:45] <kwwii> raphink: I live near Bamberg in Ober-Franken, northern Bavaria in Germany
[08:45] <raphink> ic
[08:45] <raphink> :)
[08:45] <raphink> I'll be glad to see you there :)
[08:45] <kwwii> but I am American
[08:46] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:46] <raphink> ok
[08:46] <raphink> that happens even to nice people sometimes ;)
[08:46] <raphink> hehe
[08:46] <kwwii> haha
[09:10] <kwwii> :-)
[09:11] <allee> about linuxtag:  Anything special to do to participate in the 'Kubuntu's Future' session Mark mentined?
[09:11] <kwwii> I did not even know about that
[09:11] <kwwii> when did he mention it?
[09:11] <robotgeek> kwwii: morning today
[09:11] <allee> kwwii: see *-devel lists
[09:13] <allee> kwwii: or http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html :)
[09:13] <kwwii> allee: cool, thanks
[09:14] <kwwii> wow
[09:14] <kwwii> cool
[09:14] <kwwii> I wonder who will show up for the artwork :-)
[09:15] <allee> kwwii: not me!  or not one CD will be sold  (no smiley here!)
[09:16] <kwwii> lol
[09:17] <kwwii> think I will subscribe to that list
[09:24] <Tonio_> allee: will you be there on 04/06 ?
[09:25] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[09:25] <allee> I'll ask tomorrow to the there for the complete linux tag
[09:26] <allee> ah that's Wednesday to Saturday
[09:27] <Tonio_> allee: nice ;)
[09:27] <Tonio_> allee: I'll be there saturday only, since I can't take vacations
[09:27] <Tonio_> but saturday is for us the most interesting day, so that's fine
[09:28] <Tonio_> hey \sh ;)
[09:28] <allee> heh, still have to ask if institute pay for it.  Otherwise it may there only saturday too ;)
[09:28] <\sh> hey Tonio_
[09:29] <allee> 'olla \sh
[09:29] <\sh> gugucks allee :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> I will have the oportunity to train my german :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> I was probably the worst german student of all my school :)
[09:30] <allee> Tonio_: then don't listen to me (horrible acent)
[09:30] <Tonio_> allee: ;)
[09:30] <allee> Still possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again?
[09:30] <\sh> and I was a terrible french language student :)
[09:31] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe
[09:31] <kmon> kwwii: The new adept notify icon looks great :)
[09:32] <kmon> can someone confirm if openoffice draw appears both in office & graphics menu items?
[09:33] <allee> kmon: yes it does
[09:33] <kmon> known bug?
[09:34] <allee> kmon no idea
[09:34] <allee> Tonio_, raphink: [21:30]  <allee> Still possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again?
[09:34] <kwwii> kmon: I didn't know that Riddell put it in yet :-) good to hear
[09:35] <kmon> kwwii: it's very nice
[09:35] <kwwii> cool :-)
[09:35] <Tonio_> allee: It is possible, but that requires an uvf exception
[09:36] <Tonio_> allee: and therefore a good reason (big bugfixes or something)
[09:36] <allee> Tonio_: ok, so 'usual' UVF bug report and assigning to 'archive team'?
[09:36] <Tonio_> allee: so if you're ready to make the uvfe ;)
[09:36] <Tonio_> allee: you need to create a launchpad bug, let me give you an example
[09:36] <allee> Tonio_: yes uploaded to debian last night
[09:38] <kmon> allee: can you please confirm the bug 41360 ?
[09:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41360 in openoffice.org "openoffice draw appears twice in the kde menu: on office & graphics" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41360
[09:38] <OdyXydO> kmon: I can.
[09:39] <kmon> OdyXydO: Thanxs
[09:39] <OdyXydO> kmon: Done
[09:39] <allee> kmon: done
[09:39] <kmon> I have another bug but I don't know if it's just me...
[09:39] <Tonio_> allee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/34341
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Fix released]
[09:40] <Tonio_> you need to provide debdiff, difstat and pbuilder output too
[09:40] <kmon> on my amd64 machine openoffice doesn't use kde widgets for scrollbars
[09:40] <allee> Tonio_: Thx
[09:40] <kmon> anyone here can confirm it?
[09:41] <Tonio_> kmon: let me have a look
[09:42] <kmon> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/40598
[09:42] <kmon> I have a screenshot attached
[09:42] <Tonio_> kmon: confirmed
[09:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:43] <kmon> could you please confirm it in launchpad?
[09:43] <Tonio_> kmon: done ;)
[09:43] <kmon> Tonio_: Thanks
[10:07] <AnsiC> hello
[10:15] <derekS> hey, i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, and it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop... is that a known bug (using breezy)
[10:17] <derekS> the packages that really concern me that it wants to remove are "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword"
[10:20] <Tonio_> allee: kcmshell kcm_printmgr
[10:20] <Tonio_> does it work for you ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> allee: the module is there, but it doesn't want to open, and printmgr.la is missing
[10:21] <Lure> Tonio_: kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'.
[10:21] <Tonio_> Lure: I think that's the reason administrator fails
[10:21] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:21] <Tonio_> since it uses that command
[10:21] <Tonio_> let me test
[10:22] <Tonio_> Lure: it appears the module should be printmgr.la and printmgr.so files
[10:23] <Tonio_> they are not there, so that could explain the admin mode failing
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: re ;)
[10:23] <Lure> Tonio_: but this is not SysSettings module, isn't it?
[10:23] <allee> allee(0) ~ $ kcmshell kcm_printmgr
[10:23] <allee> kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'.
[10:23] <allee> allee(0) ~ $ locate kcm_print
[10:23] <allee> /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.la
[10:23] <allee> /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.so
[10:23] <Lure> as that one works for me
[10:23] <Tonio_> Lure: it is
[10:23] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, raphink
[10:23] <raphink> hi Riddell
[10:23] <Tonio_> allee: sounds strange !
[10:23] <Riddell> anything happening at tech board I should know about?
[10:24] <Lure> but that one works (beside the successful-ok warning)
[10:24] <derekS> Riddell: i was told to ask you this question. i am using an up to date breezy install, and i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, however it also wants to remove "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword"... is this a bug?
[10:24] <Tonio_> allee: according to what I see, the files are supposed to be printmgr.la, not kcm_printmgr
[10:24] <Lure> Riddell: should you know better than we? ;-)
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you upload the new k-d-s ? standard tab switching in it and working
[10:25] <Riddell> Lure: I have a patch for the successful-ok thing, I'll give you a poke when I have it compiled so you can test it
[10:25] <allee> allee[0]  ~ # kcmshell --list | grep print
[10:25] <allee> printers               - Printing system configuration (printers, jobs, classes, ...)
[10:25] <Lure> Riddell: today? I am just in tommorow then I am offline until Tue
[10:25] <Tonio_> allee: great ;)
[10:25] <Riddell> derekS: kubuntu-desktop needed it for gstreamer, not sure why koffice would need it
[10:26] <Tonio_> allee: the admin mode is using the desktop file whose command isn't the good one
[10:26] <Tonio_> allee: /usr/share/applications/kde/printers.desktop
[10:26] <derekS> Riddell: so you would reccomend against removing it?
[10:26] <allee> Tonio_: heh, kcmshell printers -> error dialog: an error occored ... : ok-sucessful :)
[10:26] <Riddell> derekS: why would you want to?
[10:26] <Tonio_> allee: look at this, I'm about certain if we change the exec line to kcmshell printers, that will do the job ;)
[10:27] <derekS> Riddell: no need to have gtk on my comp :)
[10:27] <Lure> Tonio_: and who is calling kcm_printmgr?
[10:27] <Tonio_> Lure: no idea
[10:28] <Lure> desktop file? But who uses that desktop file?
[10:28] <allee> Tonio_:
[10:28] <allee> An error occurred while retrieving the printer list. Error message received from manager:
[10:28] <allee> successful-ok
[10:28] <kmon> Riddell: I though kubuntu used xine, not gstreamer
[10:28] <Tonio_> allee: yes that's nice, old bug now resolved
[10:28] <Riddell> kmon: it used gstreamer in breezy
[10:28] <allee> and on every ^P:
[10:28] <allee> An error occurred while retrieving the printer list:
[10:28] <allee> successful-ok
[10:28] <derekS> Riddell: so if i upgrade to dapper, i should be ok without gtk?
[10:29] <kmon> Riddell: oh. I thought he was talking about dapper :)
[10:29] <allee> It's there since Monday's update afair
[10:29] <Lure> allee: this is what Riddell will have a fix soon
[10:29] <Lure> already in BTS
[10:30] <Riddell> ah good, allee can be another tester
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell: and seaLne has another, but more complicated version of the error
[10:31] <allee> Talking about cups fixes: will cups in dapper be able to communicate with KDE as in sarge and breezy SuSE 9*
[10:31] <Lure> Riddell: see bug 41151 for details
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41151
[10:31] <allee> or will cups rely on a fixed KDE printing code
[10:31] <kmon> Riddell: I think mark's announcement on kubuntu deservers a fridge and a dot.kde article ;)
[10:32] <Riddell> kmon: please send it to fridge-devel
[10:32] <derekS> kmon: whats his announcement
[10:32] <Lure> kmon: +1 - I am just sorry I am soo busy that week... :-(
[10:32] <kmon> Riddell: ok, I'll send it to fridge
[10:32] <kmon> but someone else needs to put it in dot.kde ;)
[10:33] <allee> derekS:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html
[10:33] <derekS> allee: thanks
[10:33] <Lure> Riddell: I have seen that you have done some work on kmilo - is kmilo the right place to address laptop hotkeys in general for KDE?
[10:34] <kmon> derekS: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/40598
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:34] <kmon> mmmm
[10:34] <kmon> not that
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: allee proposed to maybe have a Kubuntu Laptop xkb entry, but not sure if this can be done easily...
[10:34] <kmon> xD
[10:34] <kmon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000071.html
[10:34] <Lure> Riddell: I am thinking if kmilo could handle such special keys...
[10:35] <\sh> only keys which are known to the X server via xkb extensions
[10:35] <allee> Lure: this xkb entry should exist and be the default for the gnome desktop for laptops
[10:36] <\sh> XF86Volume e.g. but not hotkeys a la laptop fn keys which are most of the time different from the known xbk settings
[10:36] <allee> Lure: assumed that ubuntu didn't change it's mind to generate a standard set of keysym for the same logical events
[10:36] <Lure> \sh: ubuntu strategy is to assigne distinc codes by hotkey-setup to same keys on different laptops
[10:37] <Lure> then we just need proper keysyms for X for KDE (I do not know why GNOME is not using xkb then)
[10:38] <Lure> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240/Kubuntu under note 2 - GNOME works out-of-box, Kubuntu does not.. :-(
[10:38] <allee> Lure: gnome is not using xdb?
[10:38] <\sh> Lure: today I tried the hibernate button, and it worked the last time I tried it, right now it's not working anymore because of the acpi-support stuff../etc/acpi/hibernate works butthe key not because of the new structure.. I have to file a bug tomorrow morning
[10:38] <Tonio_> allee: I think I have the solution for that admin mode failing in kdeprint :)
[10:38] <kmon> Riddell: mail sent to fridge-devel, I've CC you
[10:38] <Tonio_> I'm releasing a fix
[10:38] <allee> Tonio_: cool
[10:38] <Lure> allee: It does not look like - it is intercepted somewhere before (xev does not catch it with proper keysym)
[10:39] <allee> Lure: are keycodes shown?
[10:39] <Lure> \sh: really - hibernate key worked for you in KDE? Never on my laptop, GNOME did most of the time
[10:39] <Lure> allee: not in KDE
[10:39] <\sh> Lure: it worked :)
[10:40] <allee> Lure: no, in a gnome desktop
[10:40] <Lure> allee: for my HP laptop, there is a xkb layout (Compaq Armada) and I have even asked for upstream fix (that was commited), but the problem is that now Ubuntu hotkey-setup changed again...
[10:41] <allee> Lure: nice :(
[10:41] <Lure> I would really like to understand how this should work in Ubuntu and then fix it properly for KDE....
[10:42] <Lure> allee: it looks like your proposal from bug 27542 is still the most likely fix
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27542 in meta-kde kde "Volume keys do not work in KDE on nw8240" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27542
[10:46] <allee> Lure: writing such an xkb should not be hard.  Take your keyboard mapping and replace the keycodes with the one generated by hotkey-setup
[10:47] <Lure> allee: I know - I have hacked mine before the patch was accepted upstream
[10:47] <allee> Lure: I'm still busy with digikam* and kipi* stuff but I can do it later if noone takes it. Just remind me
[10:47] <Lure> allee: I am just concerned if this is what we should do (as Ubuntu/GNOME is not going that route)
[10:47] <Lure> allee: just du digikam - we all depend on it ;-)
[10:48] <Lure> s/du/do/
[10:48] <Lure> I am on vacation from Thu-Tue, therefore I will be offline and will be able to explore such things ;-)
[10:48] <allee> Lure: well, gnome is using the keycodes directly. We just and an layer.  Advantage is keycodes change we only have to fix the xkb mapping at one place ;)
[10:48] <Lure> I just need to download enough source packages before I leave... ;-)
[10:49] <Lure> allee: but we are using layout, that users might want for something else (for example their fancy multimedia external keyboard hooked to docking station)
[10:49] <allee> Lure: friendly hint: if you know a bit about KDE and Qt programming the download debian's digikam and finish the media support ;)
[10:50] <Lure> allee: media support?
[10:50] <allee> Lure: plugin camera, media actin selector dialog has a digikam icon,  Access for digikam to media devices  mount/umount ...
[10:51] <Lure> allee: that is boring - I am more interested in IPTC support in 0.9 ;-)
[10:51] <allee> Lure: most of it is implemented.  Just some cornercases need to be implemented, like switch to right desktop if digikam is running
[10:53] <allee> Lure: 0.9 will far to late for dapper.  But I'll prepare a technologie review or alpha release the an dot article can use soon
[10:53] <Lure> allee: I know - I just like how digikam is progressing...
[10:55] <kmon> Riddell: jeff waugh has responded my mail and said the article is already in the incoming queue. :) Now we only need someone to write a dot.kde article
[10:55] <allee> Lure: you know?  telepathy?  You're not on #digikam :)
[10:55] <Riddell> kmon: I can't approve such a story, biased
[10:55] <Lure> allee: just following blogs/news/svn ;-)
[10:56] <kmon> Riddell: I'm an awfull writer... :)
[10:56] <allee> Lure: heh, you like digikam far too much.  Otherwise lp would have more bug reports ;)
[10:57] <Lure> allee: just my priorities are elsewhere currently... ;-)
[10:57] <Tonio_> raphink: don't upload kdebase with my debdiff plz....  I will add another fix once tested
[10:57] <Lure> BTW, I would like to fix bug 18069 properly
[10:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 18069 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces file" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/18069
[10:57] <raphink> right I haven't uploaded yet Tonio_
[10:57] <Tonio_> raphink: great ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> raphink: I think I have the patch for the kdeprint admin mode
[10:58] <raphink> oh nice :)
[10:58] <Lure> if there is no mention of interface in /e/n/i, then knetworkconf collects currently configured data that can be from k-n-m
[10:58] <Tonio_> I know you were waiting for it :)
[10:58] <Lure> problem is that it does not write dhcp/static/bootp in config file as it does not know what is correct
[10:59] <Lure> it may be that it was configured with dhcp or it may be static, but we can only assume
[11:00] <Lure> should we leave it to the user (dialog: please select auto/manual mode before Apply)?
[11:02] <Lure> raphink: did not have time  to nail down korganizer yet (offshore sailing lecture was far more interesting ;-)) - might do it tonight
[11:03] <raphink> ah nice :)
[11:03] <raphink> ok
[11:03] <raphink> I'll be very happy if you can find what this is
[11:03] <raphink> :)
[11:10] <allee> Lure: ~ 80 commits in kdepim since 3.5.2 in kde35 branch
[11:10] <allee> + FWIW
[11:11] <Lure> allee: wow - lot's to review...
[11:11] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ do we include such fixes on case-by-case bases or do we plan to do partial sync to pre-3.5.3?
[11:12] <Riddell> Lure: I usually prefer specific patches rather than large branch pulls
[11:13] <Lure> allee: do commits in stable branch require to have z b.k.o bug entry?
[11:13] <allee> Riddell: someone did a kdepim code review. there are lots of possible crash fixes.
[11:13] <allee> Lure: no
[11:14] <Lure> I though so - :-(, that is what I sometimes hate about OSS practices - missing discipline
[11:14] <Riddell> Lure: checkout the tag and the branch and do a diff
[11:14] <allee> svn log -r{release-date-of-3.5.2-minus-1-week}:HEAD  path/to/kdepim/in/branches
[11:14] <Riddell> Lure: what missing discipline?
[11:15] <Lure> that stable branch would have only fixes for known bugs in BTS and not just what people feel (hard to trace for distributions like Kubuntu)
[11:16] <allee> Lure: if you have a fix for an access to NULL pointer it makes not sense to report it you simply fix it (not in the last week before reelase of course)
[11:17] <allee> Lure: I keep all commit msg to 35 branch.  hard to manage is 'only' the amount of fixes and that some minor features go in to
[11:18] <allee> +o
[11:18] <Lure> allee: the only problem I see that changlog are typically not very verbose (raphlink just warned me today ;-), and then it is hard to dig if no link exist....
[11:19] <Lure> allee: but I agree it is on different scale that I am used to (I manage multiple development teams from 3-20 members in may day job)
[11:20] <kwwii> here previews of the banner (85cmx200cm): http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-banner.jpg   , kubuntu-banner2.jpg , kubuntu-banner3.jpg
[11:20] <kwwii> erm kubuntu-banner3.png
[11:20] <allee> Lure: the commit msg has rev in first line. Just take it feed it into a script or use web short to see the real diff
[11:21] <kwwii> we need to work on the official logos a bit, they could use it
[11:21] <Lure> allee: so where is RSS feed for stable branch? Is it per product or just one for svn?
[11:21] <Riddell> kwwii: looking lovely
[11:23] <kwwii> Riddell: well, check out the ubuntu ones I made: htpp://bootsplash.org/ubuntu-poster-4.jpg , ubuntu-poster-3.jpg  - they are better if you ask me
[11:23] <Lure> kwwii: I like color layout of first one (white to blue) and kubuntu+headline of second (more tightly linked as in first)
[11:23] <allee> Lure. Maybe. I'm use kde-commits ml.  I've seen once a service wher you can subscribe regex for kde-commits msgs.
[11:23] <Lure> third one is a bit strange as headline is kind of diconnected from kubuntu
[11:23] <allee> Lure: ah, and on #digikam is a bot that inform in realtime about commits
[11:24] <Riddell> kwwii: yeah, the ubuntu colour palette is lovely
[11:24] <Lure> allee: look like I will have to try #digikam channel after all.. ;-)
[11:24] <allee> Lure: lol
[11:25] <kwwii> Riddell: well, they have the lozenge logo, which helps a lot
[11:25] <Lure> kwwii: btw, where we will use this banner?
[11:26] <kwwii> they will be standing at the linuxtag and other conventions after that
[11:26] <kwwii> the first version is nifty but has too much empty space - the thing is 2 meters high
[11:28] <Lure> kwwii: agree regaridng space on first - I just do not like blue stripe on right on second
[11:29] <kwwii> Lure: after looking at them again, I like the first one better as well :-)
[11:29] <kwwii> Lure: I think I will work on that one
[11:30] <Lure> kwwii: but I really like layout of "collaboration to the core" position on second - you want it to be very near (and alligned with) kubuntu
[11:30] <kwwii> Lure, yes you are right there too
[11:31] <kwwii> Lure: maybe you should become an artist :-)
[11:31] <kwwii> we could use all the help we can get
[11:31] <Lure> kwwii: not really, I just link to comment ;-)
[11:31] <kwwii> hehe, well you have a good eye
[11:31] <kwwii> anyone know who made the current logo?
[11:32] <Riddell> kwwii: which logo?
[11:32] <kwwii> the kubuntu logo
[11:32] <kwwii> the colors, I mean
[11:32] <kwwii> I sent Jane an email asking if I could change them :-9
[11:32] <Riddell> it was basse, same guy who does konqi
[11:33] <kwwii> yeah, I know basse
[11:33] <kwwii> he is cool
[11:33] <kwwii> but more into 3d stuff than logos
[11:34] <kwwii> I would like to make a version with decent CMYK colors
[11:34] <kwwii> defined pantone colors, HKS or such
[11:34] <kwwii> ok, enough art chat in the devel channel
[11:36] <Riddell> kwwii: sure, go ahead if you think you can make it better
[11:36] <kwwii> Riddell: cool
[11:37] <Riddell> I plan to change the logo on the website around release candidate time to the one we made at the ui sprint http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/web-bg2.png
[11:37] <Lure> raphink: bug 41341 - similar to run as user issue on Alt-F2, isn't it?
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41341 in kdebase kdebase-bin "kdesu -u option broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41341
[11:38] <allee> Tonio_: raphink and Zelina are now listed twice in linuxtag page
[11:38] <Tonio_> allee: hu ?
[11:38] <raphink> Lure: seems so
[11:39] <allee> Tonio_: when you removed the conflicts you only removed the markes but not one of the two choices
[11:39] <Tonio_> allee: damn..... I missed that, I'm modifying this
[11:40] <Tonio_> testing patches for kdebase is a pain..........;
[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: which patches?
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the solution for the admin mode switching failing in kdeprint
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: #39867
[11:43] <Riddell> ooh?  what's causing t?
[11:43] <Riddell> it
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: printers.desktop desktop file
[11:43] <Tonio_> exec is set to kcmshell printmgr while the good command is kcmshell printers
[11:44] <Riddell> is this a new problem?  we havn't changed that file but I've only noticed it recently
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think it was already failing about 2 month ago
[11:44] <Riddell> hmm, right, that could be my fault then, I removed some of the duplicate .desktop files a while ago
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: to what I remember it is not a recent issue
[11:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: raphink upload k-d-s with shortcuts, and I also fixed gtk_qt_engine autoconfig in kdebase
[11:45] <Tonio_> gnome users will not complain anymore
[11:46] <kwwii> Riddell: wait to change that until we have a final set of colors...I changed things in that and now that I look at it again, I think it still needs some work :-)
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: so will have only one remaining bug in kdeprint, which fails loading drivers while installing a printer, and that's quite recent, it was working 2 weeks ago
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: k-d-s, great
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: how did you fix gtk_qt_engine issue and was it uploaded?
[11:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've not heard of that kdeprint problem, do you have it?
[11:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: not uploaded still and I simply changed the startkde patch, looking for startkfce4 and gnome-session files
[11:50] <Riddell> cool
[11:50] <Tonio_> if one or those is there, no files are copied to the profile
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will send you a global debdiff including all those changes
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: URL preferred over e-mail, I'm behind on this backlog of e-mail
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I have the kdeprint problem, on my desktop, and on my laptop too
[11:52] <Tonio_> it fails loading the driver once you selected it
[11:52] <Tonio_> gnome-cups-manager works
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know you don't have email access, don't mind ;)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested with two printers, a lexmark and an HP
[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: e-mail back now, I just have 6000 unread e-mails to process
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't know if that fails on updated flight* installations, but I can confirm on fresh beta
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh !!!
[11:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdeprint on beta is broken, do a dist upgrade for latest cupsys and kdelibs
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did ;)
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: no change, but I will retest
[11:59] <Riddell> maybe try purging cupsys and reinstalling
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently testing ;)


[01:27] <veebers> babbageclunk: For things like "type FindToolsParams struct {" do the "json:<name>" parts match up with something declared elsewhere or does it just define how they are marshalled across the wire?
[01:28] <babbageclunk> veebers: the latter
[01:28] <veebers> babbageclunk: sweet thanks
[01:29] <babbageclunk> no worries
[01:57] <veebers> babbageclunk: to clarify what you where saying earlier, to bump the API you suggest making API be the newest version and add a "previous version" api to cover the diff? (i.e. so ClienAPI is always latest, incrementing to have a v2 means creating a ClientAPIv1 and ClientAPI is what v2 represents)?
[01:58] <babbageclunk> veebers: yup, that's exactly right
[01:58] <veebers> sweet, I'll make it so :-)
[03:18] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: sorry to put it on ur desk, but here it is - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8668
[03:19] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: oof. Ok, I'll have a look this afternoon.
[03:20] <anastasiamac> \o/
[03:20] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: m happy to do it over ho once u've browsed as i imagine 144 files PR could b daunting...
[04:41] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: I know this is a weird thing to ask, but would a worker that checked credentials periodically (say daily or hourly) get us a lot of the way to what we want?
[04:49] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: there will b  a periodic worker too... however, for credentials specifically, as soon as we *know* that they r invalid we need to stop calls that depend on valid creds... why, for example, keep retrying if we *know* a call will fail?
[04:50] <anastasiamac> babbageclunk: and like i mentioned, there r other things that we'd want to inject- status updates the most obvious one...
[04:54] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: yeah, that makes sense. Actually, I think I have another idea, want to discuss in a hangout?
[04:54] <anastasiamac> yes
[04:54] <babbageclunk> anastasiamac: anyway, I've been reading through the PR too.
[04:54] <babbageclunk> ok, in standup?
[04:54] <anastasiamac> yes
[05:10] <veebers> kelvinliu: re: my questions on what make a model a caas model, I'm trying to find the right place to have a CaasClient (wrt ModelClient). It should either be contained or auto, passing an arg into a test doesn't make sense (when would you ever pass in a 'normal' client, the test is for caas)
[05:12] <kelvinliu> veebers, understand ur concern,
[05:17] <kelvinliu> veebers, the reason why the assess script parses the client_type was I thought we are mostly using `from_args` to create the client.
[05:17] <veebers> kelvinliu: so, you dont' actually interact differently with a caas model when using the juju cli right?
[05:18] <kelvinliu> veebers, ideally, we could have `create_client` accepts client type to initiate a client.
[05:18] <veebers> kelvinliu: previously we used to versioned ModelClients to account for the different versions of juju (and the CI test code was in a separate repo), since then we now have a ModelClient that is valid for the version of juju that it is in the tree of
[05:19] <veebers> kelvinliu: lets have a quick HO, higher bandwidth discussion that way :-) Use the standup HO?
[05:20] <kelvinliu> veebers, I would say it will be mostly same/similar when u interact with caas model via juju cli
[05:20] <kelvinliu> sounds good
[05:20] <veebers> kelvinliu: is there a need for a CaasModel then? I think all the other checks needed for the test are commands outside of juju?
[05:21] <veebers> there is some setup needed though right? to do with kubectl and paths etc.
[05:22] <kelvinliu> currently inside the caasClient, it wraps deploying cdk bundle, validing cluster healthy and could add more cmds wraps `kubectl`
[05:23] <kelvinliu> yes, to interact with the cluster via kubectl, we needs the kube/config and kubectl bins which are all prepared in `CaasClient`
[05:23] <kelvinliu> veebers, i am in HO
[10:16] <jam> manadart: given that you just replied to the PR, what is the current state of your changes?
[10:17] <manadart> jam: In progress. I will address the remaining small things - DRY up the tests, Etag passthrough. ETA this afternoon.
[10:18] <jam> manadart: k. think it is possible to land it before you leave for the rest of the week?
[10:19] <manadart> I hope so. If not today, I will still check in and turn around review items. Should only be tid-bits.
[10:29] <jam> manadart: quick feedback on the bit of patch I saw. Heading off to lunch now.
[11:36] <srihas> hi guys, have just gotten a juju-controller setup. Do we need to add machines to juju explicitly or we just specify the tags while deploying charms. (OpenStack wiht MAAS+JUJU)
[11:52] <balloons> Good morning
[12:48] <rick_h_> srihas: howdy, once you have the controller bootstrapped you should be able to just deploy workloads using juju deploy and any constraints you need (such as a specific flavor or hardware characteristic)
[12:49] <srihas> rick_h_: juju deploy --constraints tags=compute --config compute.yaml nova-compute
[12:50] <srihas> it took third node; out of my 4 nodes tagged compute in MAAS
[12:50] <rick_h_> srihas: oh I see, you're deploying openstack on maas?
[12:50] <rick_h_> srihas: yea, that looks right
[12:50] <srihas> how can I extend to the other three nodes the nova-compute?
[12:50] <srihas> rick_h_: I am unable to use --to 1,2,4 for example
[12:51] <rick_h_> srihas: so --to means to machines that show up in juju status
[12:51] <rick_h_> srihas: so you have to do "juju add-machine" first and then use those numbers to reference the placement directive
[12:51] <rick_h_> srihas: Juju tries to encourage the cattle vs pets idea so that machines aren't special
[12:52] <srihas> rick_h_: aha, so I need to add machines first?
[12:52] <rick_h_> srihas: well only if you want to specify --to, ideally you shouldn't need to
[12:52] <rick_h_> srihas: you'd just tell Juju to deploy to machines with certain characteristics and Juju will work with maas to find machines that fit the bill and bring up up
[12:53] <srihas> rick_h_: juju deploy --constraints tags=compute --config compute.yaml nova-compute
[12:53] <srihas> found only one machine änd deployed on it
[12:53] <rick_h_> srihas: right, that looks peachy
[12:53] <srihas> I have three other
[12:53] <rick_h_> srihas: ok, so you'd need to use -n 4 for that command to find and bring up 4 machines
[12:53] <rick_h_> srihas: once you have one there you can "juju add-unit -n 3 nova-compute"
[12:54] <rick_h_> srihas: to scale up the existing application, with the same config/constraints, 3 more times
[12:54] <srihas> exactly I want to do it
[12:54] <srihas> rick_h_: I will try
[12:55] <srihas> rick_h_: juju add-unit --constraints tags=compute -n 3 nova-compute ? like this probably
[12:55] <rick_h_> srihas: no, once you specify the constraints Juju remembers them for future units
[12:56] <rick_h_> srihas: so that your units are consistent with each other and you don't have to remember them months later
[12:56] <srihas> juju add-unit -n 3 nova-compute
[12:56] <rick_h_> srihas: +1
[12:56] <srihas> rick_h_: thank you
[12:56] <rick_h_> srihas: np, good luck! :)
[13:06] <srihas> rick_h_: on the deployed node, how does juju figure out public IP for each system? for me its configuring an IP in a different network
[13:06] <srihas> something I mixedup in MAAS it seems
[13:07] <rick_h_> srihas: sooooo this can be a bit more interesting and complex. Juju and MAAS support the idea of network spaces. And when you deploy you can specify how the application should come on, on which networks/spaces/etc.
[13:07] <rick_h_> srihas: check out https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.3/en/network-spaces
[13:08] <rick_h_> and after that https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.3/en/charms-deploying-advanced#deploying-to-network-spaces
[13:08] <srihas> rick_h_: I wonder if I can just change the configuring after assigning networks to spaces or do I need to redeploy
[13:09] <rick_h_> srihas: yea, I think you'll have to redeploy. Changes to underlying MAAS won't auto update things running as there's no promise they're compatible with what was vs what is new
[13:10] <srihas> rick_h_: ok! it's a learning for me, thanks again :)
[13:10] <rick_h_> srihas: no problem, there's a bit to learn for sure
[13:23] <parlos> Good Morning, quick question, whats the 'expected' way to detect when a deployment has completed, any API to call suitable for machine processing?
[13:27] <rick_h_> parlos: so there's a juju plugin called "juju-wait" that I think most folks use for that
[13:27] <rick_h_> parlos: https://pypi.org/project/juju-wait/
[13:31] <parlos> rick_h thanks, will give it a go.
[13:57] <theoneijf> I am running CDK on a bare metal machine and the cluster breaks after reboot.  Total newb and have no clue where to start troubleshooting
[14:29] <srihas> rick_h_: spaces thing is really complex
[14:29] <rick_h_> srihas: yea, the idea though is that if you're deploying software and managing what networks each bit speaks through it's hard to make that modeled well in a reusable way.
[14:31] <srihas> I have read 4 times, not getting hold of it really
[14:32] <rick_h_> srihas: k, let me see if I can get something more hands on to try
[14:33] <rick_h_> srihas: check out https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/01/21/introduction-deploying-openstack-on-maas-1-9-with-juju
[14:33] <rick_h_> srihas: it's much more verbose and such
[14:37] <srihas> rick_h_: I am on it
[14:37] <srihas> I am changing spaces in MAAS, lets see
[14:37] <rick_h_> srihas: cool, hopefully that's a more thorough walk through that's specific to openstack that'll click more
[20:35] <veebers> Morning o/
[21:13] <veebers> babbageclunk: go-guru-describe is great, thanks for putting me onto it
[21:18] <babbageclunk> veebers: yeah, it's really handy, especially for a big type that's got methods in multiple files
[21:19] <babbageclunk> veebers: I like go-guru-implements as well - it's slower but invaluable
[21:20] <veebers> babbageclunk: sounds great, I'll have to give it a spin too!
[21:45] <ice9> how to deploy a charm on local lxc container?
[22:16] <veebers> babbageclunk, wallyworld: FYI: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8669 I'm just updating the upgrade functional test now, I'll add that to this PR too
[22:16] <babbageclunk> veebers: ok, just looking at another PR then I'll check yours out
[22:16] <veebers> babbageclunk: awesome thanks
[22:52] <babbageclunk> veebers: approved
[22:53] <veebers> babbageclunk: sweet cheers, I was hoping to get the functional test in in the same PR, it's taking longer than the 5 minutes I thought it would :-P It ok to add that shortly and have you sanity check that?
[22:54] <babbageclunk> oh sure - forgot about that sorry
[22:55] <veebers> no worries, I should have waited until it was ready and pushed the lot, but I was anxious to get judged and told what I did wrong ^_^
[23:05] <veebers> kelvinliu: for when you're online, thoughts on this for the caas ci test. It gives a way to interact with the k8s bits and keeps the ModelClient 'clean'. This is with the understanding that the only k8s/caas specific bits is the add-k8s, everything after that can just use a ModelClient to interact: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wYmmjMF8nw/
[23:47] <kelvinliu> veebers, looks good, will let u know when it's changed
[23:48] <kelvinliu> veebers, thx
[23:48] <veebers> kelvinliu: I can't guarantee it'll run out of the box ;-) may need some minor changes
[23:49] <kelvinliu> veebers, yeah, i saw there are some places will need to change a little bit


[22:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue798 up for review and final edits - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue798 :D
[23:57] <Unit193> https://ubuntu.com//blog/optimised-real-time-ubuntu-is-now-generally-available-on-intel-so%60%60cs DOA
[23:57] <Unit193> https://jriddell.org/2023/07/28/%E2%80%8B-awards-2023-%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8Bopen-for-nominations/ DOA
[23:59] <Bashing-om> Unit193: Thanks - checking !