[05:11] <rlaager> I'm just popping in to point out that packages.ubuntu.com is broken again.
[05:12] <Unit193> \o/
[05:13] <Unit193> rlaager: Broken in what way?
[05:14] <rlaager> Unit193: Apparently only some queries break it. Sorry. Everything I had tried was broken. Here's an example: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pidgin
[05:17] <rlaager> I'm getting an Internal Server Error on most searches.
[05:22] <wxl> rlaager: probably best to report that to #canonical-sysadmin
[06:16] <Laney> cyphermox: can you explain how you managed to get to be able to debug that casper thing?
[10:50] <mwhudson> any idea what i've done here?
[10:50] <mwhudson> mwhudson@ringil:~/isos$ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/disco-live-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:50] <mwhudson> cdimage.ubuntu.com: No such file or directory
[10:50] <mwhudson> failed on url http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/disco-live-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:50] <mwhudson> could not read control file from URL http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/disco-live-server-amd64.iso.zsync
[10:55] <cjwatson> nc
[10:55] <cjwatson> oops
[10:56] <cjwatson> that zsync command line works for me
[10:56] <cjwatson> (on bionic anyway)
[10:56] <cjwatson> maybe it has some kind of fallback on a connection failure?  I'd probably try strace
[11:00] <ricotz> juliank, hi, are you aware of this problem? -- "Can't stat /usr/local/*: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/Vendor/Debian.pm line 469."
[11:00] <juliank> ricotz: no, but well, do you have no /usr/local?
[11:01] <ricotz> juliank, I don't have those folders, but I guess this scripts seems trying to use it without care?
[11:02] <juliank> ricotz: well, they are mandatory
[11:02] <ricotz> this is output on every dpkg-buildpackage
[11:02] <ricotz> oh they are?
[11:02] <juliank> well, base-files creates them on install
[11:03] <ricotz> hmm, I see
[11:03] <juliank> so apt install --reinstall base-files
[11:03] <juliank> and they should be there again
[11:03] <Faux> (It's not in base-files.)
[11:03] <Faux> At least, not as a listed file, maybe a script?
[11:04] <mwhudson> cjwatson: i'd broken my network
[11:04] <ricotz> yeah, "dpkg -S /usr/local/" doesn't match anything
[11:04] <mwhudson> cjwatson: the error message was, uh, not clear
[11:04] <mwhudson> (not entirely sure how the messages made it to the channel ...)
[11:05] <Faux> debian/postinst.in:  install_local_dir /usr/local
[11:08] <ricotz> ah thank you°
[11:08] <ricotz> how can I trigger this script in a safe way?
[12:03] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html hasn't been updated for a day, unsure who to report that to?
[12:17] <cyphermox> Laney: looking at it for many hours, some use of break=casper-bottom to have a quick look at the messages as they speed to the console, lots of swearing and a bit of luck, tbh
[12:17] <Laney> /o\
[12:18] <cyphermox> I thought I had seen ever so slightly more messages printed when using tty1 vs. tty8
[12:18] <cyphermox> so; essentially I used break=casper-bottom, edited the 01integrity_check script to change the tty, check that out more
[12:19] <cyphermox> I also noticed the script couldn't possibly really be checking for integrity; so it took a few hours to figure out the %as vs %ms thing
[12:20] <Laney> right, I'd have recognised that one if we got far enough
[12:20] <Laney> $di_component_what_i_fixed had that bug so I was aware of it
[12:21] <cyphermox> ok
[12:21] <Laney> anyway, well done
[12:21] <cyphermox> thanks
[12:23] <cyphermox> but yeah, I wasn't aware, seeing 'a' looked reasonable enough for auto-allocation
[12:24] <Laney> glibc 2.29 done broke that
[12:24] <Laney> might be a good idea to scan the archive for this ...
[12:26] <cyphermox> true
[12:33] <infinity> juliank: Yo.
[12:34] <infinity> juliank: Laney tells me that you can tell me where my nss-mdns test (triggered by base-files) went.
[12:37] <infinity> juliank: Nevermind. :P
[14:40] <cyphermox> rbasak: when non-VCS uploads happen what I would typically do is get the diff from LP and apply the patch
[14:40] <cyphermox> then commit / tag
[14:41] <cyphermox> perhaps just making this automated / less error-prone would be good? one thing to watch out for is not forgetting to add any new files
[14:41] <rbasak> cyphermox: yeah that works. You could now cherry-pick from git-ubuntu which might be easier.
[14:41] <cyphermox> especially when you need to apply more than one such diff
[14:41] <cyphermox> ah, true
[14:41] <rbasak> git-ubuntu does have some "rich history preservation" though that I'm looking to improve.
[14:42] <rbasak> I think it may be possible for a team to stay in sync with git-ubuntu using that.
[16:59] <tsimonq2> Unit193: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927231
[16:59] <tsimonq2> I can add you as a co-maintainer if you would like.
[17:39] <rcj> bdmurray: Can you take a look at bug #1824227 for promotion to -updates today?
[17:40] <bdmurray> rcj: Generally we let SRU's age for 7 days and this is at 5. Is there a reason it should be released early?
[17:42] <rcj> bdmurray: we're seeing a high rate of failures on xenial at least in a cloud.  I've verified each of the releases and I was hoping to avoid the release day business when it would turn 7 days old.
[17:42] <rcj> s/business/busyness/g
[17:45] <bdmurray> rcj: Okay, looking at the patch again its pretty small / reasonable so okay.
[17:45] <bdmurray> okay!
[17:45] <rcj> Thanks for reviewing it.
[19:03] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: with bug 1817665 to be clear libsodium and python-libnacl should not be released yet correct?
[19:44] <rbasak> bdmurray: cpaelzer will be EOD now but that's my understanding. It's awaiting the consumer package to be SRU'd.
[19:45] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: the three packages are all three ready, but yet miss the dependency that needs them
[19:45] <cpaelzer> so they are held back for now
[19:45] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: for the time being they are all ready to be released but meant to held back (all three of them)
[19:46] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: if all are meant to held back then the tasks could reflect that by being incomplete, as it is they show up as "ready" in the SRU report
[19:46] <bdmurray> they being 2 of the 3
[19:46] <cpaelzer> IIRC sil2100 set one of them to incomplete after the same discussion
[19:46] <cpaelzer> I'm fine setting all three to incomplete for the same reason if that makes more sense
[19:47] <cpaelzer> bdmurray: murry should I change the task states?
[19:49] <cpaelzer> as I'm actually not here, I did the update to be able to leave again
[19:50] <cpaelzer> I'd also have a comment to state the reason, but LP currently shows timeouts
[19:58] <bdmurray> cpaelzer: I added a comment, thanks
[21:56] <DurkeyWorm> quick question
[21:57] <DurkeyWorm> it seems the d-i preseed/late_command in my preseed files aren't working
[21:57] <DurkeyWorm> is there something weird about them in the ubuntu version of the installer?
[22:36] <gQuigs> DurkeyWorm: check the logs to see if it's trying to run at all
[22:38] <DurkeyWorm> it does seem to try to run, but it also seems to be skipping earlier commands
[22:45] <DurkeyWorm> weird, seems to be working now
[22:45] <DurkeyWorm> whatever
[22:45] <DurkeyWorm> haha
[22:56] <gQuigs> that works :)
[23:28] <DurkeyWorm> yep i didn't realize you could only do a single line


[00:00] <Rounin> It will be installing that
[00:00] <James147> Rounin: knetworkmanager was ment to be getting replaced by the widget anyway :) look like its finally good enough for that to happen
[00:01]  * James147 is really liking kpackagekit on maverick :D
[00:02] <Rounin> It'll be fun to see what it's like!
[00:08]  * James147 is impressed with the network widget
[00:11] <owner> hello
[00:23] <Waleed> hello again
[00:23] <James147> Waleed: welcome back :)
[00:23] <Waleed> James147: hello
[00:24] <Waleed> thank you James147
[00:24] <Waleed> James147: I got  new problem
[00:24] <Waleed> the wireless cannot be connected
[00:25] <James147> Waleed: can explain in more detail?
[00:25] <Waleed> when I ran the system the wirless couldn't connect to my network
[00:26] <James147> Waleed: thats just adding more words :) .. what are you tring to connect work (knetworkmanager)? what encrpytion are you using?
[00:26] <Waleed> I made static ip through manage network connection
[00:27] <Waleed> yes knetworkmanager and the encryption is WEB
[00:28] <James147> Waleed: well, try it with dhcp first :) and WEEB... or WEP?
[00:28] <James147> WEB ^^
[00:28] <Waleed> WEP
[00:30] <James147> Waleed: yeah, knetowrkmanager is fussy with wep... it dosnt autodetect all the configs, try changing the various settings on that page (keytype and authentication) and see if any of them work... or switch to wpa, knetworkmanager works better with it and its much much much more sucure
[00:31] <LinuxUser> hi all, is there any problem known with ssd's?
[00:31] <James147> LinuxUser: they tend to have a shorter life expentency... at least the older ones did, not sure on the current ones, also they are expensive :)
[00:33] <LinuxUser> everytime i type on my keyboard everything hangs
[01:09] <chinmaya> where can I find the .bashrc file in KUbuntu ?
[01:11] <James147> chinmaya: in your home
[01:17] <chinmaya> when i do ls in my home folder ..there is nothing
[01:17] <chinmaya> is it hidden files ?
[01:17] <Torch> chinmaya: it's a hidden file.
[01:17] <Torch> chinmaya: do ls -a
[01:17] <Torch> chinmaya: all files starting with a "." are hidden per default
[01:17] <James147> chinmaya: anything beginging with a '.' is a hidden file
[01:20] <chinmaya> chinmaya@chinmaya-workstation:/home$ ls -a
[01:20] <chinmaya> .  ..  chinmaya  .directory
[01:20] <chinmaya> i get the above output ..am i doing something wrong ?
[01:21] <James147> chinmaya: inside your home
[01:21] <James147> chinmaya: "ls -a ~"
[01:21] <James147> (or "ls -a /home/chinmaya")
[01:22] <DarthFrog> chinmaya: "less ~/.bashrc" will display the contents of the file.
[01:22] <James147> chinmaya: note that we said 'your' home directory :) not the home (which means the folder named after your user in /home (normally))
[01:23] <DarthFrog> ~ is a shortcut key for your home directory.
[01:27] <cory> Hello
[01:27] <James147> cory: Hello
[01:28] <cory> Anyone playing with the gcalcli?
[01:29] <cory> I've been messing with it all day and now I am getting all these errors
[01:29] <chinmaya> thanks ..how can i edit the .bashrc file
[01:29] <James147> chinmaya: open it in an editor
[01:30] <James147> chinmaya: "kate ~/.bashrc" is probally the easiest way
[01:31] <cory> This my first time using the IRC is this a developer channel?
[01:32] <James147> cory: this is the kubuntu support channel
[01:32] <cory> oh
[01:32] <James147> cory: what are you developing in?
[01:33] <cory> python
[01:33] <James147> cory: try in #python then
[01:33] <jason24-2010> anyone here move from crunchbang linux to kubuntu?
[01:33] <James147> (to join type  /j #python
[01:33] <jason24-2010> is it worth the switch?
[01:34] <cory> thanks
[01:46] <hugo_> alguém do brasil?
[03:04] <Starwatcher> anyone ever get silverlight to bring out audio such as a internet radio station that uses it?
[04:17] <zerocool> hello  ,everyone
[04:18] <zerocool> if i want to know ,what can i do
[05:12] <tahta> hello?
[05:45] <slackwarebob> hello ppl
[05:45] <slackwarebob> what's up?
[05:45] <slackwarebob> anyone around?
[05:51] <Altusanew> Hey I am having an issue with getting my wireless to connect on a new clean install of Kubuntu 10.4.1. Knetworkmanager says network management disabled but it was working right after installation. Best I can tell it cannot get a new IP address lease from the router. I have everything I can think of to do or check here. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6Fji4uWm
[05:52] <maco> check /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf
[05:52] <lubun2> slackwarebob, yes..lost?  this is not slackware :)
[05:54] <slackwarebob> lubun2: no, was going to say if anyone is using kubuntu on net book?
[05:55] <Altusanew> Do you want something specifica from that file or the whole thing? I do notice that is says Managed=false though
[05:55] <maco> slackwarebob: i am
[05:55] <lubun2> slackwarebob, a lot i think.
[05:55] <maco> Altusanew: right, change that line
[05:56] <slackwarebob> the netbook edition? or regular kubuntu on a netbook?
[05:56] <lubun2> slackwarebob, the 32bit can detect which one to use
[05:56] <slackwarebob> I'm using currently using netbuntu or whatever the gnome one is for networks. it's going pretty good. I just wondered about kde.
[05:56] <maco> im using netbook edition, but in 10.10 itll all be one installer
[05:57] <maco> 4.5 has the ability to let you switch between the desktop and netbook UI
[05:57] <slackwarebob> maco: oh cool, so you just use the same installation media and it will detect netbook and put the smaller edition?
[05:57] <maco> its the same default apps, just different default UI as far as plasma goes
[05:57] <maco> and different default font sizes i think
[05:58] <slackwarebob> plus probably a lot less services running.
[05:58] <maco> it picks which to use when you first login based on screen resolution, but you can change it (unlike with ubuntu desktop/netbook where you're a bit stuck)
[05:58] <slackwarebob> the netbuntu has been pretty cool to use. the network UI has been designed nicely.
[05:58] <maco> ubuntu doesnt have much in the way of services by default...i mean, nothing listening on any services or anything
[05:59] <slackwarebob> honestly, the gnome fullblown would be tough based on screensize. so the netbook edition has been nice.
[05:59] <slackwarebob> I wondered about switching to flux or something. but the netbuntu edition worked very nicely.
[05:59] <slackwarebob> haven't needed to move
[06:00] <maco> eh if you get rid of one of the panels, gnome's probably not too bad on a netbook... i know some unr users try to get real gnome on there because they dont like the lack of choices in unr... but in kubuntu...well...its kde ;-) you NEVER lack for choices!
[06:00] <slackwarebob> right. like the taskbar arrangement on the netbuntu
[06:04] <Altusanew> Changed managed=true and rebooted and still doing the same thing. if I run "sudo service networkmanager restart" it crashes knetworkmanager
[06:05] <maco> boo
[06:05] <maco> it didnt start working immediately after teh change? had to reboot?
[06:05] <Diziara> ...last time I checked, knetworkmanager sucks.
[06:05] <Altusanew> Lol that is what I was thinking
[06:05] <maco> did rebooting revert it?
[06:05] <maco> Diziara: well yeah... thats often true too
[06:05] <Diziara> I usually install WICD first thing, when I do a fresh install.
[06:05] <Altusanew> No it was still changed
[06:05] <maco> can you start knetworkmanager again now that youve restarted the service?
[06:06] <maco> knm's actually been working admirably on my netbook.i use network manager plasmoid on my other laptops though
[06:06] <Diziara> It's kinda worked when I first installed kubuntu to my laptop, but I had a couple of networks where my laptop would not connect at all until I switched to WICD.
[06:06] <Altusanew> Yeah the networkmanager restart works and then i run knetworkmanager and it starts back up no issue
[06:07] <maco> i think when you restarted nm service knm went "oh, service is gone. dont need me anymore!"
[06:07] <maco> but it doesnt automatically restart itself when nm comes back
[06:08] <maco> (i dont know how you could ensure that it did either...except maybe to have something polling constantly watching for nm to startup and then launch it with qdbus? thatd be really crappy on resource usage though)
[06:08] <Altusanew> Yeah that is probably it. So if it is not managed could that be why I am not getting a new IP lease?
[06:09] <Altusanew> Yeah and I am not even sure I would know how to do that either unless there was some resource for doing just that
[06:09] <Altusanew> The old lease lists the day and time it stopped working
[06:11] <maco> i often just delete the old config that was saved in it and make a new one if it gets wonky (i figure corruption or something)
[06:12] <Altusanew> Delete the old dhclient conf? or old networkmanager conf?
[06:14] <Altusanew> should dmesg | grep wlan0 have this in it? [   97.824503] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present
[06:14] <Altusanew> I get that after I bring up wlan0 and dhclient fails to get a new IP
[07:43]  * Acido- is away, unf [l/][p/]
[07:46] <gr8m8> !away > Acido-
[07:47] <gr8m8> !guidelines > Acido-
[09:07] <youngtin> TAIWAN YES
[09:07] <youngtin> TAIWAN YES
[09:07] <FloodBotK2> youngtin: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:07] <kubuntu> xD
[09:08] <youngtin> 有人在嗎
[09:08] <youngtin> 有人看得懂中文嗎
[09:08] <gr8m8> !cn | youngtin
[09:09] <youngtin> OK
[09:09] <youngtin> thx
[09:09] <gr8m8> np
[09:33] <josh> I just installed kubuntu and am trying to install software.  It says to use adept manager to install new software, but I can not find it
[09:34] <gr8m8> josh: kpackagekit is the gui one and works just fine
[09:35] <gr8m8> or use    apt-get   or   aptitude   in the terminal
[09:35] <gr8m8> josh: which version of kubuntu pls?
[09:36] <gr8m8> josh: keep it in the channel pls - it is not busy here
[09:36] <gr8m8> !pm
[09:36] <gr8m8> !guidelines
[09:45] <volodya> anybody has tried 'disconnected IMAP' in recent kmail?
[10:03] <eneto> hola
[10:04] <eneto> a dios
[10:04] <gr8m8> !es
[10:35] <delight> is there other ppl with missing menu entries on dolphin/ kde 4.5.1 ... like panels / terminal emulator and stuff ... simply missing
[10:35] <delight> same on maverick and the same on lucid with backport ppa kde 4.5.1
[10:48] <Mamarok> delight: no, I guess you are missing some package
[10:49] <gr8m8> bad cd burns perhaps?
[10:50] <Mamarok> delight: do 'aptitude show dolphin' (without the ') in a konsole, it will show you all the dependencies and recommended packages
[10:52] <delight> Mamarok: i don't think the packages are missing, cause i can get the terminal-emulator with F4 and the panels (places for example) with F9
[10:52] <delight> it's all working but i can't access over the menus
[10:52] <Mamarok> delight: oh, then it is just a configuration problem
[10:52] <delight> + i can't have an icon for the terminal-emulator any longer in the toolbar
[10:53] <Mamarok> do delete the config files for dolphin in $HOME/.kde/share/config/, then try again
[10:53] <delight> Mamarok: are you using 4.5.1 and you got those in your menus ... well i guess I'll backup dolphinrc
[10:53] <Mamarok> yes, I am using KDE 4.5.1, and all works fine
[10:53] <delight> thanks ;) I'll have a closer look @ it
[10:53] <delight> one more question thou
[10:55] <delight> on that folder view plasmoid .. for me the mouse over showing a little folder pop-up view is not available any longer ... you have to click on that new arrow on the side ... did you experience the same ... is there a way to get the old behaviour back ?
[10:55] <Mamarok> I don't use the folder view as a plasmoid, but as an activity
[10:55] <delight> i see .. ok
[10:56] <Mamarok> but ou can check the settings of the plasmoid, show tooltips should be available
[10:57] <delight> unfortunatly not .. i looked over the settings ...
[10:58] <Mamarok> delight: there is a preview option in the displa section, there ou can choose other preview options
[10:58] <delight> Mamarok: you where right it was the config file from pre-4.5 making the trouble on dolphin
[10:58] <delight> thanks for the tipp on that one ;)
[10:58] <Mamarok> delight: you are welcome :)
[11:01] <delight> Mamarok: well the only thing is there is no toolbar button on dolphin anymore for the terminal-emulator .. but thats rather minor to me ;) i know my F4 key ;)
[11:02] <Mamarok> delight: I have it here
[11:02] <delight> there is only an available toolbar button for "open terminal" which opens konsole
[11:03] <delight> strange .. i'll recheck in a min ... my gf needs an helping hand :)
[11:03] <fedele> how can i reload the kubuntu panel?
[11:11] <gr8m8> fedele: do you mean get the default one back?
[11:16] <volodya> are grayscale icons in system tray something kubuntu has added, or this is KDE upstream feature?
[11:16] <Mamarok> volodya: that is upstream
[11:17] <volodya> so if some application, say 'basket', display color icon, I should report this upstream as well?
[11:17] <Mamarok> no, since the grayscale ones are for system only, not for apps
[11:17] <Mamarok> ultimately, the apps wil not be displayed in the system tray anymore, but that is the future
[11:17] <Mamarok> will*
[11:18] <volodya> ooh. not be displayed? that kinda sucks.
[11:18] <Mamarok> volodya: displayed yes, but not in the systray anymore, elsewhere I guess, but I don't follow that discussion upstrem
[11:19] <Mamarok> I imagine the will sue an apptray
[11:19] <Mamarok> use*
[11:19] <Peace-> hi guys
[11:19] <Mamarok> hi Peace-
[11:19] <Peace-> hi Mamarok
[11:19] <volodya> ok, I guess I'll wait for that future; no point reporting a bug if all will change anyway
[11:24] <Backglass> hi
[11:24] <Backglass> I have a problem building kdelibs
[11:24] <Backglass> with nepomuk
[11:24] <Peace-> mm
[11:25] <Peace-> !compile
[11:25] <Backglass> /home/alejandro/kde/kdelibs/nepomuk/types/entity.cpp: In member function ‘virtual bool Nepomuk::Types::EntityPrivate::load()’:
[11:25] <Backglass> /home/alejandro/kde/kdelibs/nepomuk/types/entity.cpp:102: error: ‘userVisible’ is not a member of ‘Soprano::Vocabulary::NAO’
[11:25] <Backglass> that is th error
[11:25] <gr8m8> e
[11:26] <or4n9e> hi. I'm attempting to install kubuntu 10.10 daily-live from 25th of september but ubiquity kde_ui doesn't start at all
[11:26] <or4n9e> is there a known issue with it?
[11:26] <Peace-> mmm
[11:26] <Peace-> i have doewnloaded 10.10 dvd
[11:26] <Peace-> and it's working
[11:26] <Peace-> but a week ago
[11:26] <or4n9e> I also tried ubiquity kde_ui from console but it gets back to command prompt without doing anything
[11:26] <gr8m8> !info kdelibs5
[11:27] <gr8m8> Backglass: ^^
[11:27] <Peace-> Backglass: can syou try this ...
[11:27] <or4n9e> Peace-: IC, thx
[11:27] <Peace-> sudo apt-get build-dep stuff
[11:27] <Mamarok> or4n9e: that daily live is borken, get a newer one
[11:27] <Mamarok> broken*
[11:27] <or4n9e> Mamarok: it's the latest actually
[11:27] <or4n9e> as of today
[11:27] <Peace-> or4n9e: remember it's beta
[11:28] <Peace-> don't think it should work
[11:28] <Mamarok> well, then it is still broken I guess, get the beta and update, that is probably the way to go, but these questions belong on #ubuntu+1
[11:28] <or4n9e> Peace-: no worries with betas
[11:28] <Mamarok> Peace-: it does work fine here
[11:28] <Peace-> Mamarok: here too
[11:28] <Mamarok> the beta I mean, not the daily live
[11:28] <gr8m8> Backglass: keep it in the channel pls
[11:28] <or4n9e> Mamarok: ok, will do. I had hoped to get a daily running in order to avoid countless updates but OK
[11:28] <gr8m8> !pm
[11:29] <or4n9e> #thanks for the information about broken daily builds
[11:29] <gr8m8> Backglass: I don't know everything...
[11:29] <Mamarok> gr8m8: no need to exagerate, I already told him
[11:29] <gr8m8> Mamarok: sorry - I did what?
[11:29] <or4n9e> PM?
[11:30] <or4n9e> I haven't send any PMs actually
[11:30] <or4n9e> *confused*
[11:30] <Peace-> to meee... or4n9e
[11:30] <Peace-> nevermind
[11:30] <Mamarok> or4n9e: it's not about you
[11:30] <or4n9e> Peace-: IC
[11:30] <or4n9e> Mamarok: btw, is there an archive of daily builds somewhere?
[11:31] <or4n9e> and .. do you know what daily still worked before breakage?
[11:31] <Mamarok> or4n9e: ask in #ubuntu+1, please this really doesn't belong here
[11:31] <or4n9e> Mamarok: IC
[11:31] <or4n9e> Mamarok: thx anyways. have a good day
[11:31] <Mamarok> or4n9e: you are welcome :)
[11:33] <gr8m8> Backglass: you are making me sorry I tried to help - stop the pms pls
[11:34] <gr8m8> Mamarok: sorry - I did what?
[11:34] <Mamarok> gr8m8: my bad, sorry, got confused
[11:34] <gr8m8> k :]
[11:34] <Mamarok> gr8m8: ignore him?
[11:35] <Mamarok> he asked in #kde now
[11:35] <gr8m8> Mamarok: I have a pretty high tolerance level..
[11:35] <gr8m8> :]
[11:36] <Mamarok> gr8m8: good for you :) your grim smile says otherwise, though :)
[11:36] <gr8m8> Mamarok: that's me being lazy more then anything else :)
[11:37] <Mamarok> OK :)
[11:45] <Guest80596> hi everywone
[11:46] <whitefox> hi
[11:48] <whitefox> hi
[11:48] <Guest80596> does anywone happen to know a good linux-helper-kinda-blog, something like linuxhaxor?
[11:49] <gr8m8> Guest80596: it depends on what you want to do.. :)
[11:49] <Guest80596> i wanna learn linux :)
[11:51] <gr8m8> Guest80596: I started with the man pages - open konsole, type a and hit the tab button twice - it shows the apps that start with a
[11:51] <Guest80596> well, i got from a website 10 free linux ebooks that a guy should read
[11:51] <gr8m8> books are a great start
[11:51] <Guest80596> http://www.linuxhaxor.net/?p=1699
[11:52] <gr8m8> man pages too
[11:52] <gr8m8> man a<tab>
[11:52] <Guest80596> yeah, in the book that i read now, its telled like once in 3-4 pages to read manuals
[11:53] <gr8m8> best thing I found out was to have a seperate home partition so if things go wrong a new install takes ~20min and your personal files are still there
[11:54] <Guest80596> but i actualy come from windows (like 99% of the linux users), and man pages look kinda scary, too hard to understand, so i first wanna read some books, blogs, things like that, where stuff is explained good, so i can make a technical vocabulary
[11:55] <gr8m8> !clone
[11:55] <Guest80596> im actualy trying to learn to instal ubuntu  :) like, i mean, the propper install, where i know wat im doing, not follow a tutorial, or doing it with wubi, so you know a good documentation for that?
[11:56] <gr8m8> Guest80596: I found I didn't learn much 'till I tried some stuff and broke things - fixing your own errors is the best teacher imo
[11:56] <gr8m8> !install | Guest80596
[11:57] <gr8m8> lots of options there
[11:57] <gr8m8> Guest80596: do you know aboput partitions?
[11:57] <gr8m8> Guest80596: do you know about partitions?
[11:58] <Guest80596> yeah, i was thinking about just learning from trial and error, but when i was using windows (actualy now i dual-boot), i heard something about that if you dont install windows properly, is a good chance to ruin your hard drive, and stuff like that
[11:59] <Guest80596> yeah, i have read something about partitions, swap and other stuffs, including something about filesistems
[11:59] <gr8m8> Guest80596: never heard of that myself - sometimes h/ware fails and folks might attribute that to what they were doing at the time
[12:00] <Guest80596> i guessed that the thing wasnt true...like, i mean, if that was true, it would be hacker (actualy script-kiddie) heaven...but i didnt want to take chances :P
[12:00] <gr8m8> I've prob done 50+ installs and never had an issue apart from my own lack of knowledge :]
[12:02] <gr8m8> Guest80596: if you use common sense the ubuntu distros are about as safe as you can be imo
[12:03] <gr8m8> if you need to hand in something tomorrow I wouldn't try linux for the first time - but if time is not the issue then go for it - I haven't used windows since 2002
[12:06] <Guest80596> well, now im on ubuntu :) so i already started to play a little with linux... but it-s installed via wubi, and i saw on the net that if its installed with wubi its considered like a windows application, or something like that, and it runs slower
[12:06] <Guest80596> i dont really see myself quiting windows (except if i coul dmake wow to work on my linux box), but linux certainly is worth a try
[12:09] <gr8m8> Guest80596: wubi is a way to gently introduce ppl to the world of linux - a wonderful app in that regard
[12:09] <Guest80596> expecialy after you have seen "Hackers" or "Live free or die hard" or stuff like that :P
[12:10] <Guest80596> yeah, actualy if it wasnt wubi i would get so stuck, and so scared to tinker (so i would not "ruin" the hard drive), that i would quit the idea of trying linux
[12:10] <Torch> Guest80596: if by "wow" you mean world of warcraft -- it's supposedly running very well under wine on linux.
[12:10] <gr8m8> Guest80596: can I ask why "hackers" comes up so much in your conversation - I use nothing but *nix and have never hacked anything
[12:11] <Guest80596> Torch: I know, but, as a noob, i dont actualy know how to make it work :P
[12:12] <Torch> Guest80596: that should be a) install wine b) run setup.exe. also, there's #wine.
[12:12] <Guest80596> g8m8: i actualy dont know why...guess its kind of an inspiration or something...i program, so hacking would be a step farther...i actualy dont know...
[12:13] <Guest80596> i have wine installed, but i actualy play wow on a pirate server :-" so i dont know how to set up the connection (i mean, realmilst), or anything like that..
[12:15] <gr8m8> !tab
[12:16] <Guest80596> thanks for that too :)
[12:17] <Guest80596> so, to be on theme with the channel, can i ask what is the actual difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:18] <Guest80596> i only know that kubuntu is on KDE, and it uses less resources
[12:20] <gr8m8> Guest80596: kubuntu uses kde as the desktop environment and ubuntu uses gnome
[12:20] <gr8m8> !kde
[12:20] <gr8m8> !gnome
[12:20] <gr8m8> the base is the same
[12:21] <gr8m8> !info kubuntu-desktopo
[12:21] <gr8m8> !info kubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <gr8m8> you can have both installed at the same time and choose one at login
[12:22] <gr8m8> !info ubuntu-desktop
[12:23] <gr8m8> and there are others
[12:23] <Guest80596> yeah, but you can install KDE on ubuntu too, so that would make it Kubuntu? :) or there are other differences?
[12:23] <gr8m8> you can have both installed at the same time and choose one at login
[12:23] <gr8m8> and there are others
[12:23] <gr8m8> !info lxde
[12:24] <gr8m8> so with the one install at login you can choose between lots of desktop environments and window managers
[12:25] <gr8m8> !info fluxbox
[12:25] <gr8m8> it is not like windows where you have no choice
[12:28] <gr8m8> Guest80596: or if you install ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop and like kubuntu so much you want to get rid of the ubuntu-desktop there is
[12:28] <gr8m8> !pure-kde
[12:29] <gr8m8> !pure-kubuntu
[12:29] <gr8m8> !purekde
[12:29] <gr8m8> there we go :]
[12:29] <gr8m8> freedom of choice
[12:30] <Guest80596> and, the best part, it's free :))
[12:30] <sabgenton> I don't know if it's KDE or ubuntu but I can't get direct access to networking from a shell
[12:30] <trichard> hey, i first installed ubuntu and installed the kubuntu packages afterwards. Now i set KDM as my default login manager. For some reason though, kdm seems to take my keystrokes as qwerty while i have an azerty keymap. Is there any way to change this?
[12:31] <sabgenton> I can access wifi from the kde  stuff for example but I can't manually iwconfig it
[12:31] <gr8m8> the hardest part for most folk is accepting that there is noone telling them how there os should be set up
[12:31] <sabgenton> I'm having network isuses and I just want to use the comand line tools I know but something is blocking me
[12:32] <sabgenton> KDE wallet?
[12:32] <Guest80596> yeah, this is the only part that sucks at this freedom...like you dont know what to choose, and if you wanna start to read the info on everything you can change, you drop it, but the best way is to take it as it comes "from the box", and modify it on the roan
[12:32] <Guest80596> road *
[12:32] <FloodBotK2> Guest80596: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:33] <gr8m8> sabgenton: you could set the kdewallet password to blank
[12:33] <sabgenton> Guest80596: agreed
[12:34] <sabgenton> gr8m8: ok do you really think that would blook me at the shell?
[12:34] <gr8m8> trichard: what keyboard layout is the default in kubuntu for you?
[12:34] <sabgenton> gr8m8: I allready tryed deleting the wallet
[12:34] <trichard> gr8m8: Well in settings manager i put it to azerty (belgian point)
[12:35] <gr8m8> sabgenton: never tried to do anything wireless anywhere ever
[12:35] <gr8m8> wireless is sooooo slow and sooooo crackable
[12:36] <sabgenton> wireless is fine
[12:36] <sabgenton> not being able to access it via  the shell is not
[12:36] <gr8m8> trichard: you've set the gui as azerty but prob not the console
[12:37] <trichard> hmm, let me try that
[12:37] <trichard> if i press ctrl + alt + F3 for a console window it's in azerty too
[12:38] <gr8m8> sabgenton: you might be right that the gui apps get in the way - how are you trying to access it in cli?
[12:40] <sabgenton> the same way I do on ubuntu server  sudo iwconfig essid  whatever
[12:40] <trichard> sabgenton: You might want to kill knetworkmanger and/or NetworkManager
[12:40] <gr8m8> trichard: then it must be a kdm issue - sorry I've never tried to use azerty ever
[12:41] <gr8m8> trichard: there's the configs in /etc
[12:41] <sabgenton> trichard: ah ok will try
[12:41] <sabgenton> trichard: is there a more proper way to do it ?
[12:41] <trichard> gr8m8: i know, it has a language item but no keyboard layout item
[12:41] <sabgenton> still that would narrow down the answer
[12:41] <trichard> sabgenton: i think you should just try it indeed
[12:41] <gr8m8> I don't use any network manager - they're just middlemen
[12:41] <trichard> it might be just knetworkmanager
[12:42] <sabgenton> I have to reboot  my  machine to get back in but I think I'll start there
[12:49] <or4n9e> I still have issues installing kubuntu 10.10. with both the beta and the daily build as of today the ubiquity installer kde_ui doesn't start at all
[12:49] <or4n9e> also running ubiquity kde_ui doesn't throw out any error messages
[12:50] <or4n9e> Mamrok suggested the beta after asking for the daily build but I encounter the very same issue again
[12:50] <or4n9e> any ideas?
[12:53] <gr8m8> or4n9e: tried in the 10.10 channel?
[12:53] <gr8m8> !maverick
[12:53] <or4n9e> gr8m8: not yet, will try
[12:53] <or4n9e> thanks
[12:53] <gr8m8> np
[13:25] <or4n9e> most likely solved it
[13:25] <or4n9e> it's an issue in misc.py ubiquity
[13:25] <or4n9e> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/4400#debian/changelog
[13:26] <or4n9e> just for the record and for others encountering the very same issue
[13:33] <or4n9e> verified. modify misc.py from he running live session and enjoy a starting ubiquity installer
[13:33] <or4n9e> huray
[13:34] <gr8m8> !bug
[13:34] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:34] <gr8m8> !howdy
[13:35] <gr8m8> heh
[13:35] <sobczyk> is there an other way to remove plasma widget , except clicking the 'x'? I placed newspaper Activity od desktop and can't remove it...
[13:35] <James147> sobczyk: right clcik it
[13:35] <James147> (widgets need ot be unlocked)
[13:35] <sobczyk> James147: in option there is just "configure..."
[13:36] <James147> sobczyk: are the widgets locked?
[13:36] <sobczyk> no
[13:37] <James147> sobczyk: why cant you click the x then?
[13:38] <sobczyk> James147: http://img704.imageshack.us/i/newspaperactivitybug.png/
[13:38] <sobczyk> I cant click any of the buttons
[13:39] <James147> :S
[13:39] <sobczyk> where is the file that holds the widgets on the screen?
[13:40] <James147> sobczyk: try opening the "add widgets" dialog, i cant quite remember, but I think it had a way to remove all widgets of a type (the - button on that widget)... although that might have been in eailer versions
[13:40] <James147> sobczyk: if not the widget config is at ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[13:41] <James147> (or similar, not sure if it was renamed in kde 4.5 )
[13:43] <James147> sobczyk: if your editing it though, you might want to close plasma-desktop first (kquitapp plasma-desktop) and relaunh it after
[13:44] <sobczyk> I opened it and there is no filenames
[13:44] <sobczyk> I mean I don't know what to delete...
[13:45] <James147> sobczyk: filenames? what did you open? (the file or folder?)
[13:45] <sobczyk> the file you tld about (plasma-desktop-appletsrc)
[13:46] <James147> sobczyk: open the folder, thats the name of the file in kde 4.5, but I remember the name of that file changing at one point... so might be named slightly differently
[13:46] <James147> possibally plasma-appletsrc
[13:46] <sobczyk> yes I can find it, I can't find the offending widget
[13:50] <sobczyk> ok found
[13:50] <sobczyk> and deleted, thx James147
[14:03] <Bobbix_> how i can add my application on a panel?
[14:04] <Bobbix_> i've a myfile.sh i want to execute by clicking on an icon on my panel, how i can do thath?
[14:05] <gr8m8> Bobbix_: right click and add launcher
[14:05] <gr8m8> maybe
[14:06] <Bobbix_> gr8m8: on Ubuntu (gnome) i can do this.. but on kde there are no launcher for the panels
[14:06] <Bobbix_> only predefinied applications
[14:06] <BluesKaj> Bobbix_, right click on the app in the kmenu and choose "add to panel"
[14:07] <gr8m8> BluesKaj: it is a script he made
[14:07] <gr8m8> excuse me Bobbix_ I assumed you had balls
[14:08] <gr8m8> hence the he
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Bobbix_, is it on the desktop?
[14:08] <Bobbix_> BluesKaj:  there is no "add to panel" on the kmenu... if i right click on the panel i can select add to panel but i've only fixed applications.. i want to add my own script , can i do that?
[14:09] <Bobbix_> i've a script to resolve the bug with kubuntu and knetwork manager when STR is activated.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> bobbix , yes as long as it's in a text file
[14:10] <Bobbix_> i want to add this with an icon on the panel,,, i can't do that
[14:12] <Bobbix_> with gnome i can do that... there is a launcher (in terminal or as application) there is a kind of this on kde?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Bobbix_, I've had some luck with adding a ytext file to the panel . but the taskbar needs to be empty for some reason , dunno why
[14:13] <Bobbix_> uhm.. ok... very strange... but pheraps i've a workaround to resolve this
[14:13] <Bobbix_> i can add an icon n the menu first (right click on the menu icon on the bottom left side icon
[14:14] <Bobbix_> after this i can add the application to te panel selecting the icon and selecting add to panel
[14:14] <Bobbix_> you are right?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Bobbix_, you have to drag the file to the panel , hold it there for at least 4-5 secs then you'll get the the dialog asking for icon
[14:16] <Bobbix_> i try now
[14:17] <James147> Bobbix_: you should be ablet o just drag it to the panbel (assuming widgets are unlocked)
[14:17] <Bobbix_> don't work
[14:18] <James147> Bobbix_: are widgets unlocked?
[14:18] <Bobbix_> if i drag the file i see a forbidden symbol on it
[14:18] <Bobbix_> yes the widgets are unlocked
[14:19] <Bobbix_> you can try, but... i'm using a new panel positioned on the top of the screen, not the native one on the bottom, can chane something?
[14:19]  * James147 cant remember if that was one of the things improved on in kde 4.5... works here just by drag and drop (kde 4.5)
[14:19] <James147> Bobbix_: that shouldnt make any difference
[14:19] <Bobbix_> chane = change
[14:20] <Bobbix_> ok... but i can't drag anything on it
[14:20] <James147> Bobbix_: I would suggest upgrading to kde 4.5, the improved the widget handeling quite abit in that version, otherwise, you might ahve to create a entry in the menu for the script and drag that
[14:21] <Bobbix_> how can see witch version i have?
[14:21] <James147> Bobbix_: any kde app > help > about kde
[14:21] <James147> my guess is 4.4.2 :)
[14:21] <Bobbix_> 4.4.2
[14:21] <James147> :D
[14:22] <Bobbix_> how can i upgrade... not with package manager?
[14:22] <James147> Bobbix_: I suggest upgrading, I find kde 4.5 allot more polished/resposive :)
[14:22] <James147> Bobbix_: see the topic for how to upgrade
[14:22] <Bobbix_> how can i upgrade?
[14:22] <Bobbix_> link me
[14:22] <James147> Bobbix_: its in the topic ^^ but: http://kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45
[14:23] <Bobbix_> James147: note that i've resolved adding the file in the menu first and after i've been able to add this icon on the panel... it's a valid workarount, true?
[14:24] <James147> Bobbix_: its valid... and means you can access it from the menu as well.
[14:24] <James147> (but kde 4.5 lets you just drag and drop it :D )
[14:25] <James147> ... at elast I assume that was added in 4.5
[14:25] <Bobbix_> ok... i add the backports repo in the package manager
[14:25] <James147> Bobbix_: now run in konsole: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[14:26] <James147> (kpackagekit cannot upgrade to kde 4.5.. due to it needing to remove/add other packages)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> James147, drag n drop worked in previous nkdes versions ...been keeping a text file list of cli commands in the panel for yrs now
[14:27] <BluesKaj> err kde versions
[14:27] <James147> BluesKaj: hmm, maby they jsut improved on the drop and drop part (I think it was easier in kde 4.5)
[14:28] <BluesKaj> seems to be, yeah
[14:28]  * James147 has been on 4.5 so long he is starting to forget what it improved on... but he knows it did quite abit
[14:30] <BluesKaj> was running gnome the other day and found the networking is really clunky , or have I forgotten the right procedure to set up anetwork folder ? :)
[14:31]  * James147 dosnt use gnome... so wouldnt know
[14:42] <rerx> hi! i'm trying out the maverick-beta. using an external usb sound card i can't get any sound in flash, everything kde, vlc and mplayer all work fine. in pavucontrol the flash plugin never shows up. any ideas?
[14:43] <rerx> ah.. that could have been confusing. i don't have sound in flash, but everywhere else it seems to work
[14:44] <James147> rerx: maverick support is on #ubuntu+1
[14:44] <BluesKaj> rerx, you should be asking in #ub8untu+1 , but make sure you've installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:45] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu+1
[14:45] <rerx> ok guys, thanks for pointing me in the right direction and sorry for cluttering the channel. :)
[16:00] <jimtuv_> I am having trouble with KDM crashing when I log off. It works fine to shut down or restart but log off always crashes
[16:02] <adilalpman> hi
[16:02] <adilalpman> i have a problem with my 3g modem on my kubuntu 10.04
[16:03] <adilalpman> can anybody help me?
[16:08] <adilalpman> can anybdy help me?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> adilalpman,recomend you use the gnome network manager for 3g , check sysnaptic for it
[16:11] <adilalpman> but i use kubuntu
[16:27] <fredy> ff
[16:29] <BluesKaj> adilalpman, you can still run the app in kubuntu
[16:51] <phoenix_> ktorrent does not resume automatically when a torrent gets stalled
[16:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Pici: are you there
[16:55] <phoenix_firebrd> how to log in to a channel
[16:59] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, how do you know ?
[17:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: how do you know what?
[17:00] <elijah> I am LOVING the bandwidth monitor built into the system tray!!!!!
[17:00] <elijah> In Meerkat that is!
[17:01] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, that ktorrent does not resume automatically when a torrent gets stalled ...maybe there are no seeders with the data you need
[17:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when i stop the torrent and start it again, it works fine
[17:02] <lucidfox> I could use some help with recording from the microphone
[17:02] <lucidfox> the GNOME sound recorder plain doesn't work, and the sound in Audacity is waaaay too quiet
[17:02] <ares_> Padekit paplatint Sita nr 868970912 L-a-b-a-s +37068970912 Call her
[17:03] <lucidfox> even though the microphone is set to maximum in alsamixer
[17:03] <elijah> lucidfox: I am having the same issue
[17:03] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, then auto - refresh the the trackers settings in system options
[17:03] <maco> lucidfox: mic boost too?
[17:03] <lucidfox> mic boost?
[17:03] <elijah> lucidfox: It is like the driver doesn't work etc.
[17:04] <lucidfox> I see no "mic boost" option in any of the mixers I've tried
[17:04] <lucidfox> It worked fine under GNOME
[17:04] <elijah> lucidfox: But I get something and if I crankn everything all the way up then it sounds louder but not loud and also like garbaaage
[17:04] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox; are you using pulseaudio?
[17:04] <elijah> lucidfox: I couldn't get mine working in GNOME either
[17:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: where is that sett6ing
[17:04] <lucidfox> nerdy_kid> Yes
[17:04] <lucidfox> Don't you dare suggest to remove it.
[17:05] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox; great! the fix is painfully easy:  run paman go to sources; select the mic, and drag the volume slider up as far as you need it (think it goes to like 400%)
[17:05] <nerdy_kid> I just figured that out for my mic
[17:05] <phoenix_firebrd> kloeri: what you told is not working
[17:06] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I've forgotten , but it's there , look around ...I use deluge now , due to the blocklist feature
[17:07] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox the sources are under the 'devices' tab
[17:07] <elijah> how do I tell if I am running puldeaudio? I am running Meerkat?
[17:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ktorrent has the same feature, then why are you using another
[17:09] <lucidfox> nerdy_kid> Still doesn't work, what am I supposed to be recording with?
[17:09] <siwiks> hi everybody
[17:09] <lucidfox> When I set the audio source in Audacity to "pulse", I get no sound input at all; when I set it to the physical device, I get very quiet sound
[17:09] <lucidfox> the GNOME recorder still doesn't work
[17:10] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, because it's builtin and easier to manage
[17:10] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox; have you made sure the mic is not muted in pulseaudio volume control?
[17:10] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: how to check if a udp port is forward
[17:11] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox; after you tweet the volume in paman hit "show volume meter" and start making noise; adjust the volume until the meter starts maxing out
[17:11] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, do you have a router?
[17:11] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no, but my modem
[17:12] <lucidfox> Okay, I launched the GNOME Sound Recorder and the PulseAudio volume control at the same time
[17:12] <lucidfox> turns out that by default it was trying to record from my TV tuner o_O
[17:12] <lucidfox> when I switched devices, though, it's still too quiet
[17:14] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, do you have web browser access to your modem ?
[17:14] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: you mean <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ok phoenix_firebrd ping <IP_ADDRESS>:portnumber
[17:15] <lucidfox> Okay, here's the catch
[17:15] <lucidfox> at 176%, it's relatively manageable volume, although still too quiet
[17:16] <lucidfox> at high values like 400%, there is no sound
[17:16] <lucidfox> but at least it works now
[17:16] <nerdy_kid> lucidfox what app are you recording with? audacity?
[17:16] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: unknown host
[17:16] <nerdy_kid> also you should see the volume meter react majorly to the boost
[17:18] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I'm quite sure you can portforward udp in ktorrent settings
[17:19] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, route in the terminal to get your gateway / modem IP
[17:19] <elijah> lucidfox: What sound device do you have? Is it intel?
[17:19] <lucidfox> NVIDIA onboard sound, and it's irrelevant, it worked well in GNOME before with no configuration
[17:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: have you used utorrent
[17:21] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes awhile ago
[17:21] <elijah> Is there a way to "tile windows verticlaly/horizontally" like in Win?
[17:22] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: in that you click a button and it takes you to portforwarding.com and it tells you whether the port is open or not.is there a similar way?
[17:24] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes I beleive ping the gatewayIP:portnumber
[17:24] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, what does ' route ' output ?
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the route command gives me the default gateway
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: when i ping my gateway with the port address, it say unknown host
[17:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: just now i checked with a website. it says the port is not open
[17:27] <elijah> Is Meerkat supposed to have Pulseaudio in it?
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> elijah: pulseaudio is default in meerkat
[17:29] <phoenix_firebrd> elijah: i have some questions regarding that
[17:29] <BluesKaj>  phoenix_firebrd , ok jus found something , nmap -p port ipaddress (for tcp) , nmap -sU -p port ipaddress (for udp)
[17:30] <elijah> phoenix_firebrd: How do I know if I have it installed?
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> elijah: if the sound is not good, then its sure pulseaudio :)
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> elijah: just kidding
[17:32] <phoenix_firebrd> elijah: actually i dont know how to find that
[17:32] <elijah> phoenix_firebrd: k
[17:33] <sanoop> hello guys
[17:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have successfully forwared my port using dmz host
[17:37] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, well that can be dangerous , but if it's just one port I suppose it's ok
[17:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i dont know if i enabled just one or all the ports, i just entered my local ip in dmz server
[17:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: there is  setting called "use utorrent transport protocol", will enabling it increases the performance of the download, what do you say?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, i think that's an automatic setting that lets ktorrent decide how and what trackers/seeds to use based on network traffic
[17:45] <BluesKaj> I don't recall that option personally
[17:50] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, so you enabled iptables , probly a good practice if you have no router
[17:51] <gstarx90> can i use network-manager-gnome in kde?
[17:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: juts now i found port forwarding plugin in the ktrrent, i disabled the dmz server
[17:52] <BluesKaj> gstarx90, yes , but what's the problem ?
[17:52] <gstarx90> my netgear wna1100 does not connect to my router in kde
[17:52] <gstarx90> i connect using wep
[17:52] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, good , then the port will only be open when ktorrent is running
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya, thanks for the help
[17:53] <BluesKaj> well phoenix_firebrd , you seemed to solve the problem yourself , but your welcpme anyway :)
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: see you
[17:55] <BluesKaj> gstarx90, knetwork manager should run wep without any problems
[18:09] <jorn> heyho, i seem to have deactivated the "new software updates available" notifications... how do i reactivate them?
[18:17] <claydoh> jorn: the update notifier sometimes just seems to not work
[18:18] <jorn> *g*
[18:18] <jorn> come on
[18:19] <jorn> claydoh: which package / script / file is responsible?
[18:19] <claydoh> update-notifier-kde iirc
[18:19] <claydoh> maybe not, though
[18:19]  * claydoh looks it up
[18:20] <BluesKaj> jorn, the updater is clunky , in the terminal : sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade  , or if you prefer apt , then , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:20] <jorn> claydoh: yupp, seems to be that
[18:21] <jorn> BluesKaj: yupp, i know how to update... nevertheless i want a notification to appear when my system is out of date
[18:21] <jorn> (and actually I always used aptitude)
[18:21] <jorn> but I think I once hit the "don't show again" button while giving a presentation and clicking the notification away ;)
[18:22] <BluesKaj> jorn , well that's up to you , but I just run it as a habit after login  everyday
[18:22] <jorn> so after a few weeks of not being pushed to update, I suddenly realized my system was outdated :-/
[18:22] <jorn> and I can't find how to reenable the notifications
[18:24] <BluesKaj> tvtime
[18:28] <claydoh> jorn: if you clicked that, yoi might want to go into kpackagekit's settings and poke around, as well as checking in System Settings in the Service Manager to make sure all the update/notifcation daemons are enabled
[18:29] <claydoh> jorn: just grasping at straw tho
[18:30] <jorn> claydoh: yupp, already tried this... but in the kpackageit settings I only see "edit software sources"
[18:30] <jorn> and in the services manager all services are activated
[18:30] <claydoh> yup there are settings in there for updates
[18:31] <claydoh> in the 'edit software sources" area
[18:31] <jorn> yupp, but that is all ok, i think... "only notify about available updates" (daily)
[18:34] <jorn> well, i clicked around in there changed the settings to something different, closed, then reset them to daily and notify, perhaps that will help
[18:34] <jorn> thanks for your help though...
[18:34] <jorn> if it doesn't work I'll just use the script I use for my server which writes me an email ;)
[18:40] <garou> !help
[18:40] <garou> hy excuse me...i having some troubles with my sound card in kde with ubuntu 10.04, someone can help me?
[18:40] <senor_banana> what's the problem with your audio?
[18:40] <garou> i tried "sudo alsa reload"
[18:41] <garou> no sound...
[18:41] <senor_banana> @z0m1lS6X!
[18:41] <garou> i had put in repositories ubuntu pre-liberated updates...i think is because this
[18:41] <senor_banana> damn touchpad
[18:41] <toki78> hi
[18:42] <toki78> is there a command and conquer clone for linux ?
[18:42] <senor_banana> What is your audio device?
[18:43] <senor_banana> @Toki78 google FreeCNC
[18:43] <garou> Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[18:45] <senor_banana> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[18:46] <senor_banana> See if that helps any, garou.
[18:48] <garou> i am a noob in mirc^^ how can i highlight and send a message for you?
[18:49] <senor_banana> Where are you copying from?
[18:49] <senor_banana> and what IRC client are you using?
[18:49] <LinuxUser> hi all, is there any backport repo where i can find kaffeine 1.1 build?
[18:50] <garou> quassel irc
[18:51] <garou> where? didnt understand...i am in Brazil
[18:51] <garou> i copy selecting and click with wheel button to paste
[18:52] <senor_banana> for Kaffeine 1.1 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/kaffeine/kaffeine/kaffeine-1.1/kaffeine-1.1.tar.gz?r=&ts=1285437124&use_mirror=cdnetworks-us-2
[18:52] <senor_banana> I don't know how you'd query the repos for the old version
[18:52] <Peace--> kaffeine for what?
[18:53] <senor_banana> Anything KDE
[18:53] <senor_banana> that's source, I believe
[18:54] <senor_banana> Is quassel TUI or GUI?
[18:54] <senor_banana> Better question: Why am I asking when I have google/.
[18:55] <LinuxUser> senor_banana: well, thats not a binary didn't want to mess my system up with self compiled programms
[19:00] <senor_banana> hmm, I don't know the answer, but I'll keep looking. I'm sure more people willw ant to get it eventually.
[19:02] <Taggnostr> hello
[19:03] <Taggnostr> is there a key combination to move a window? it ended up "outside" of the desktop and I can't reach it with the mouse anymore
[19:04] <senor_banana> ctrl+shift+F11
[19:04] <senor_banana> that'll full screen it at least
[19:05] <Taggnostr> oh, wait, I did it
[19:05] <Taggnostr> I right-clicked on the task bar and there was move
[19:05] <Taggnostr> from there it worked
[19:05] <senor_banana> That works too, haha.
[19:06] <senor_banana> garou, try shift+insert to paste
[19:06] <Taggnostr> thanks
[19:06] <senor_banana> I run irc through irssi, which is completely TUI
[19:06] <senor_banana> that's what I use.
[19:11] <apple_cat> Hi, I have a problem where half my system is in Spanish and the other half is in English. I changed system language to Spanish - used it for a few months and then have recently switched back to english. The problem is that even after changing back, some things are still in Spanish. Which packages should I reinstall (uninstall/purge) ?
[19:14] <garou> senor_banana: thanks so much about your help...i will try a bit more...if didnt have sucess i came back^^
[19:16] <jackie_> Hello all. I'm kurrently installing kubuntu 10.4.1LTS. When it came to the language files download I clicked skip. Directly after that the install screen minimized and there is no way to restore it. Any help with that?
[19:16] <jackie_> hmmm
[19:16] <jackie_> I'm installing kubuntu 10.4.1LTS
[19:17] <delight> jackie_: just install the languages you need by going to system settings / launguage settings ... add language
[19:17] <apple_cat> Also, I found a workaround for a problem that no-one seems to have found a solution to. When watching flash videos in fullscreen, if you change volume using laptop hotkeys the OSD will steal focus and make the fullscreen mode exit. If you edit specific window settings for 'Npviewer.bin' and force it to stay on top and enable focus stealing prevention. This works with Google Chrome as fullscreen opens in a seperate window
[19:17] <jackie_> I'm not at that point. It is still doing the install from the CD
[19:18] <delight> apple_cat: sounds great ... just write about it in a block and maybe give a link to lxer.com or so to make it public ;)
[19:18] <delight> jackie_: well afterwards you can still install the missing language support
[19:19] <delight> alternatively you do the work again :-/
[19:19] <jackie_> delight: That's not the problem. The problem is that the install interface screen disappeared and I have no way to recall that screen to check the progress of the install
[19:21] <delight> oh i see .. that doesn't sound to good ... hopefully it said skip and not cancel in the momment you clicked .. .i guess you will have to see if it finished the job by simply rebooting or so ... if not restart ... on the other hand maybe there is some way ... but I don't know about it
[19:23] <jackie_> delight: problem solved. It completed the install without the screen present. It asked to restart and that is what I am currently doing
[19:24] <jackie_> delight: TY for your help
[19:24] <delight> jackie_: cool ;) good luck
[19:25] <apple_cat> delight: I don't have a blog so I was hoping that someone here could just magically link it somewhere where it could help some people. I really don't know where to start with reporting solutions, reporting bugs or generally giving something back to the community. Do you know of some links that could give me an introduction and point me in the right directions?
[19:30] <delight> apple_cat: you can start a blog on blogspot > blogger.com ... but I guess that could be a little bit of a hastle for the first entry with the initial registering and stuff .. at the end there is a bug on the bugzilla of kde for your problem ... you could write an answer on that ... sorry aint got the time right now ... dinner time
[19:31] <apple_cat> delight: Thanks for your help :) enjoy your dinner
[19:35] <dave_> delight: I spoke to you a few minutes ago under my fiances nic of jackie. The install is complete and running
[19:37] <eMyller> where did kmail 2 go?
[19:37] <eMyller> i can't find it anywhere Oo
[19:38] <dave_> eMyller: Did you do a file search for it?
[19:39] <eMyller> dave_: on the interwebs, i mean
[19:39] <eMyller> i cant find the ppa
[19:39] <eMyller> i thought it was kubuntu backports, but it's not there, i think
[19:39] <eMyller> (at least a dist-upgrade didn't bring me it)
[19:39] <dave_> Ah, I see
[19:39] <James147> eMyller: backports has whatever version is in kde 4.5
[19:40] <James147> (or at least should do)
[19:40] <eMyller> yeah, i had kmail 2 here but did a full reinstall yesterday...
[19:41] <James147> only have 1 here :S
[19:41] <eMyller> weird...
[19:42] <eMyller> James147, dave_: very weird, i also find nothing on google.
[19:42] <eMyller> was it a dream? Oo
[19:43] <dave_> eMyller: hmmm, let me check some things for you. BRB
[19:43] <eMyller> dave_: ty
[19:44] <eMyller> i also have my old sources.list here, nothing different than my current one.
[19:45] <dave_> eMyller: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[19:45] <eMyller> lucid
[19:45] <dave_> ok, BRB
[19:46] <eMyller> brb too
[19:48] <James147> eMyller: i heard mention of kmail (at least I think it was kamil) being held back as nepomuk/akondi mature abit
[19:48] <James147> eMyller: before 4.5 was released, with mention of it being in 4.5.1 (which it might have missed
[19:48] <James147> eMyller: but I could be wrong :)
[19:49] <James147> eMyller: you could try asking in #kde, they will know more
[19:49] <dave_> eMyller: if you are looking to download Kmail, I have a link for both i386 and amd64
[19:50] <James147> dave_: kmail 2? or 1?
[19:50] <eMyller> dave_: show me the link, please :)
[19:51] <eMyller> James147: yeah, it should've be launched with kde sc 4.5, but was postponed by one month
[19:51] <eMyller> one month or so
[19:52] <eMyller> but it was two months ago...
[19:52] <eMyller> and i've tested it, a version was released
[19:52]  * eMyller wants it back
[19:52] <James147> eMyller: well, 4.5.2 isent out yet, might come with that
[19:52] <dave_>  eMyllier: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/kmail. This is a Ubuntu link but it should work for kubuntu. Just scroll to the bottom for the download links
[19:52] <eMyller> maybe...
[19:53] <dave_> eMyller: I know it says maverick, but it still may work. In the meantime I'm still checking
[19:53] <James147> not sure which version taht is
[19:53] <eMyller> dave_: thanks. packages.ubuntu.com are the same for kubuntu, but anyway there was a backported version of kmail
[19:53] <James147> ^^ eMyllerwill check my mavrick comp to see which one it has (should be the same as the link)
[19:54] <eMyller> ohh
[19:54] <eMyller> it's in experimental ppa
[19:54] <eMyller> thanks, guys :)
[19:54] <dave_> So will it work for you?
[19:55] <eMyller> dave_: the packages in the experimental ppa will
[19:55] <eMyller> thanks anyway :)
[19:55] <dave_> eMyller: Good. Glad it wil work for you
[19:55] <James147> dave_: and maverick only seems to have version 1.X so my guess is thouse links are for 1.x not 2
[19:56] <dave_> james147: Ah, I see
[19:56] <eMyller> add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental if you want it. :)
[19:56]  * James147 dosnt use kmail :)
[19:57] <eMyller> it's cool :)
[19:58] <eMyller> i just miss the 'conversation' organization like in gmail
[19:58] <James147> eMyller: i just use gmail :D
[19:59] <eMyller> i love gmail, but kmail helps me to keep up with my email accounts
[19:59] <eMyller> they're both gmail-based, but well
[19:59] <Peace--> i guess you have to install somettuff to get gmail on kmail
[19:59] <eMyller> kmail's becoming great.
[20:00] <James147> eMyller:  :) yeah, i only have gmail, and my uni one (which is forwarded to gmail)
[20:00] <eMyller> Peace--: no..? Oo
[20:00] <Peace--> eMyller: works without other suff?
[20:00] <James147> Peace--: gmail should work with imap... or pop3... cant remember which
[20:00] <Peace--> ok
[20:00] <Peace--> perferct
[20:01] <Peace--> i used kmail with some trouble-mail host
[20:01] <Peace--> but i managed to get the mail on kmail with some workaround
[20:01] <Peace--> program
[20:01] <eMyller> Peace--: yes and the setup is miserably easy
[20:01] <Peace--> :)
[20:02] <James147> either way, i like the gmail interface :) so kmail tends to be just something else to configure
[20:02] <Peace--> kmail with Freepops
[20:02] <eMyller> btw, dIMAP is awesome.
[20:02] <Peace--> that is for bad mail hosters
[20:02] <Peace--> James147: me too
[20:03] <Peace--> !freepops
[20:03] <Peace--> o wow there is not
[20:07] <eMyller> i haz kmail 2, yeah!
[20:17] <tompooom> hi all, please, somebody tell me, has linux faces recognising softwere?
[20:25] <tompooom> come on girls
[20:26] <Tm_T> tompooom: I wonder if folks in ##linux knows
[20:26] <Starwatcher> tompooom, not that I am aware of. this bunch in here are a quiet lot.
[20:26] <Tm_T> I know there's some recognition functions in some apps, but might not be what you're looking for
[20:35] <dave_> The silence in hear is deafening
[20:36] <dave_> play on words hear-here
[20:36] <Tm_T> dave_: if here's no talk, I take it that Kubuntu is working fine (see the channel topic)
[20:38] <dave_> Tm_T: Kubuntu always works fine
[20:39] <dave_> I think I should get away from this intle on-board video and install a video card
[20:39] <dave_> Intle=Intel
[21:12] <mbana> i'm going to install ubuntu 9.10 LTS
[21:12] <mbana> or shall i wait till the new one?
[21:12] <mbana> is there anything critical that needs fixing in the the LTS that won't be in the new release?
[23:19] <ketan> how to add widget to plazma deshboard?
[23:20] <harjot> how would i create my own icon on plasma??


[00:20] <superm1> you were missing headers for the prempt kernel would be my guess
[00:29] <squish102> can anyone give me a mythbuntu settings for mythvideo file associations for video_ts and vob?
[00:30] <squish102> or show me where mythbuntu default settings are
[01:51] <dewman> anyone around that can check out a mythburn log for me?
[01:51] <dewman> http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U
[01:52] <dewman> I am trying to figure out why it bombs with result 133
[01:52] <dewman> (mytharchive)
[04:32] <dewman> so mythburn bombs with a result 133, here is the log...http://mythtv.pastebin.com/v22EvP9U BUT, i installed XFburn and copied over the created dvd files and it works perfectly. anyone have any idea?
[05:25] <qwebirc24964> hello, i cannot seem to get VNC to work correctly with my new mythbuntu install. I enabled it in the control centre but still no go
[06:00] <dmainou> hi guys, I'm having trouble with mythdvd. trying to rip an iso. everything goes ok until the last second where the scrren says (superposed) ripping and no jobs - nothing to rip (or something like that as they are one on top of the other and can't read what it says)
[17:46] <rhollan_> Anyone here have trouble rippinhg DVDs with mythbuntu? I can rip the ISO fine, but when I scan for new videos, ALL menu items refer to the LAST DVD ripped. anyone else see this?
[18:03] <rhpot1991> !iso | rhollan_
[18:03] <Zinn> rhollan_: Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.24. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[18:03] <rhpot1991> your question confuses me, maybe my link will help
[18:06] <rhollan_> rhpot1191: O.K. I get the bit about storage groups offering a streaming abstraction (to avoid NFS mount messiness when sharing videos). And, they appear to be the default in mythbuntu, The ODD thing is that the last dvd DOES play when requested by the front end. True, it's on the same box as the backend, but I would think that would make no difference, storage-group wise. I'll check your link.
[18:07] <rhollan_> Hmm, it looks like that link offers good advice. I'll try it. Though, if what you say is correct, playing back shouldn'tve worked at all.
[18:07] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: not sure I've ever seen anything saying "last dvd" anywhere, so I'm not sure what your real issue iss
[18:07] <rhpot1991> but that link is relivant to iso ripping
[18:08] <rhpot1991> and then using them in mythvideo
[18:09] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: that was a change that effected .22, if you have a better way of dealing with it in .23 let me know and I'll update the page, as far as we are aware the issue still remains
[18:09] <rhollan_> Sigh. Let me try to be more clear. I can rip several DVDs. The .iso files are correct. metadata is downloaded correctly. They all appear in the Videos menu. But, selecting any to play plays the last one ripped.
[18:09] <rhollan_> Might be a StorageGroup issue. I can try tonight.
[18:09] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: verify they aren't overwriting each other?
[18:09] <rhollan_> yup
[18:09] <rhollan_> separate .iso files in the right directory, all different, and each play correctly with vlc
[18:10] <rhollan_> it "smells" like a DB issue, actually: mapping the menu selection to the file to play
[18:10] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: try to force it to use the old non storage group method and see if that helps, then report back
[18:10] <rhollan_> Though, you're right: with Storage Groups it shouldn't work at all. I will try the workaround.
[18:11] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: its possible you are seeing a partial fix to the storage group issue
[18:11] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: tried ripping as something other than isos to see what happens then?
[18:12] <rhollan_> good suggestions. and yes, this might be a partial fix as I am running mythbuntu which IIRC is based on 0.23
[18:12] <rhollan_> I saw docs that 0.23 addresed some Storage Group issues but not completely
[18:13] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l |grep mythtv-backend
[18:13] <rhpot1991> should give you the version
[18:13] <rhollan_> One thing that is nice is that HDTV captured via firewire from a Comcast DCH3200 plays and records like a charm
[18:13] <rhollan_> not at my home machine, so will have to check tonight.
[18:13] <rhollan_> Wait! I can ssh in.
[18:14] <rhollan_> 0.23.0+fixes25073-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu2
[18:18] <rhollan_> Thanks, rhpot1991. That makes sense to try tonight.
[18:19] <rhollan_> I am SOO looking forward to getting rid of that Sony 400CD/DVD changer.
[18:19] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: then you can upgrade to BR :)
[18:21] <rhollan_> Sigh. When BRs start to rip reliably
[18:21] <rhollan_> And here I thought a terabyte would be sufficient for a while.
[18:25] <rhpot1991> rhollan_: google for makemkv, and yep they are huge
[18:26] <rhollan_> blech. requires WinBlows
[18:26] <rhollan_> but a nice idea.
[18:26] <rhollan_> Does MKV preserve menus?
[18:27] <rhollan_> I have been torn between ripping the main title on DVDs and ripping the whole ISO to retain the menu structure
[18:27] <rhollan_> So far, I like the menus
[18:28] <rhollan_> Oh! I see makemv for linux
[18:29] <rhollan_> er, makemkv
[19:03] <jolaren> when I try to view a flash recording from my mobile it shows the website wrong
[19:03] <jolaren> I mean, it cannot find the flashfile
[19:03] <jolaren> cuz it's one / to many after adress
[20:13] <notlistening> Hi are there any other people getting problem with high cpu usage for mythbackend and mysqld on 10.04 and then eventually myth dies?
[20:15] <notlistening> Seen this on two different machines now seperate installs
[20:34] <superm1> notlistening, when you say dies, do you mean the OOM kicks in and kills it?
[20:34] <superm1> or is  there anything in the logs (myth or sql) to indicate who is at fault?
[20:44] <notlistening> l looked in both logs and nothing that jumped out at me but both has issue obviously
[20:45] <notlistening> myth is sitting there using 124% of my cpu
[20:45] <notlistening> and it has been asked to do nothing not even record a TV program
[20:46] <superm1> can you turn on apport?
[20:46] <superm1> it should hopefully help catch myth when it dies
[20:46] <superm1> and install mythtv-dbg to have the debug symbols to make the apport crash dump useful
[20:47] <notlistening> I am not 100% sure myth dies but it just stops working
[20:47] <notlistening> but i am keeping an eye on it
[20:51] <notlistening> superm1, apart from that it is recording now but just eating cpu cycles