[08:47] <DanChapman> morning all
[08:47] <elfy> hi DanChapman `
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Hello DanChapman elfy
[08:48] <elfy> something is wrong with the fabric of time - it is sunny AND a public holiday
[08:48] <DanChapman> hey elfy, smartboyhw.
[08:48] <smartboyhw> elfy, why is that wrong? And why is today a public holiday for you?
[08:49] <elfy> it is never sunny AND a public holiday
[08:49] <DanChapman> elfy, It is a rather strange occurrence!!
[08:49] <elfy> and it's a public holiday because it is ;)
[08:50] <smartboyhw> elfy, uh, I thought public holidays have a reason behind it
[08:51] <elfy> they do - no idea why this one is
[08:51] <smartboyhw> -.-
[08:52] <elfy> this isn't the US smartboyhw - we don't have days for the signing of the magna carta or the like
[08:52] <DanChapman> i believe its just called the summer bank holiday
[08:52] <smartboyhw> elfy, huh, it is just a bank holiday
[08:52] <smartboyhw> Stupid banks:P
[08:52] <elfy> DanChapman: I've seen them called all sorts of things
[09:06] <alourie> hello
[09:06] <DanChapman> alourie: hey
[09:06] <alourie> hi DanChapman
[09:06] <alourie> are you familiar with autopilot?
[09:06] <smartboyhw> alourie, heh, DanChapman is the best guy working on it:P
[09:06] <alourie> DanChapman, smartboyhw: amazingf
[09:07] <alourie> I have the best luck ever
[09:07] <DanChapman> smartboyhw: ;-P
[09:07] <DanChapman> alourie: whats up?
[09:07] <alourie> DanChapman: why wouldn't I be able to install it on 12.04?
[09:07] <alourie> DanChapman: I want to check it out, so I'm trying to install it
[09:07] <elfy> alourie: I don't think it works below 13.04
[09:07] <alourie> elfy: oh
[09:07] <DanChapman> alourie: ^^
[09:08] <alourie> bummer
[09:08] <alourie> DanChapman: was there a GTK version that did?
[09:09] <DanChapman> alourie: I'm not sure if version 1.2 would still work on it, ask the guys in #ubuntu-autopilot if you need it to work on 12.04
[09:10] <alourie> DanChapman: I'm on elementary, and for now we're still 12.04
[09:10] <alourie> maybe we'll move to 13.10 in the interim, but for now it's still 12.04
[09:16] <DanChapman> sorry bout that router decided to turn off
[09:50] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, how's Testdrive?
[09:51] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, nothing new. kirkland and roaxsoax haven't got around to merging my stuff.
[09:51] <Noskcaj> Do you happen to have any experience with Qt or GTK3?
[09:52] <DanChapman> Noskcaj: I have some Gtk3 experience
[09:52] <DanChapman> Not Qt though
[09:53] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, GTK is probably better. It's about porting testdrive to the latest "quickly" stuff, or in other words, make testdrive GTK3
[09:53] <Noskcaj> Is there any chance you could do that? or at least help
[09:54] <DanChapman> Noskcaj: I'd be happy to help with that.
[09:55] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, That would be awesome. I assume you know where the testdrive code is.
[09:55] <Noskcaj> Just push it semi-regularly so i can have a look
[09:55] <DanChapman> lp:testdrive i presume
[09:55] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, em, maybe you should get DanChapman for some Autopilot test:P
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, em, you'd better setup another branch, if not DanChapman can't push
[09:56] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, yeah
[09:56] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i mean to his own branch
[09:57] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, heh:)
[10:03] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, cool well I guess we should look at the todo list from the hackfest and see what we can add/fix as well. I will get started on it this week
[12:49]  * DanChapman has just noticed ubiquity now has U1 page. No wonder its been failing!
[13:02] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
[13:04] <balloons> howdy all
[13:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, WE MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:05] <smartboyhw> How's your vacation?
[13:06] <balloons> smartboyhw, it was nice to be away. I wasn't on a pc for days :-)
[13:06] <smartboyhw> balloons, so, what do you have in plan for this week?
[13:07] <smartboyhw> It's not a cadence week
[13:07] <balloons> smartboyhw, lots to catch up on, so that's the plan. first thing is vUDS
[13:08] <smartboyhw> balloons, then?
[13:15] <DanChapman> balloons: howdy!
[13:17] <arsonist> hello, I'm trying to submit my hardware specifications, I already have the clipit link but do not know were to submit it. Should I send the clipit link or the lspci output? any help would be useful, thank you
[13:17] <balloons> DanChapman, hello.. smartboyhw then? Well one thing at a time.. I need to catch up hah! Feature freeze is coming sooner than we think, that's probably the next big thing.. we'll be testing beta
[13:17] <smartboyhw> arsonist, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware
[14:18] <DanChapman> balloons, when you have some spare time, (which I doubt you have after time away) can I chat with you about gtk emulator
[14:19] <smartboyhw> DanChapman, balloons http://smartboyhwubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/happy-22nd-birthday-linux/ :)
[14:32] <balloons> DanChapman, sure, leave your thoughts here and I'll respond when I get some free moments. Have you had a chance to try using it?
[14:33] <balloons> also DanChapman meet senan.. He's working on an autopilot test for disk usage analyzer
[14:33] <senan> DanChapman: Hi
[14:34] <senan> DanChapman: I'm trying to automate disk usage analyzer
[14:35] <DanChapman> balloons yeah its working lovely, its probably best you take a look at it first lp:autopilot-gtk-emulator. it has tests you can run to see it working.
[14:35] <DanChapman> senan hey :-)
[14:36] <DanChapman> senan so how have you been getting on with it?
[14:37] <senan> DanChapman: just started.. playing with vis to locate objects :)
[14:42] <senan> DanChapman: after clicking Scan Folder-> File chooser dialog will open..and I need to select one directory for scanning .. How do I select one folder ?
[14:43] <senan> DanChapman: for example I need to select "Documents"
[14:46] <DanChapman> senan, ok with the FileChooserDialog we cant see inside either of the tree views. Notice if when it loads you press a key say '/' you can then click the toggle button at top left to display path bar. You then have to navigate by entering the file path
[14:50] <senan> DanChapman: But for displaying the toggle button we need to click somethiing inside the tree view right ?
[14:52] <senan> DanChapman: why we are not able to select anything inside the tree view ?
[14:52] <DanChapman> senan, Ive just tried and it worked first time but not anymore. Hmmm... well you can click on the TreeView or Tab to it and just press down
[14:55] <DanChapman> senan, I'm not sure tbh. pitti could probably explain why, but its a bit of a pain.
[14:55] <senan> DanChapman: Is it possible to click 'Documents' from tree view ?
[14:57] <DanChapman> senan, No we can select_single('GtkTreeView') then click it but that will click the center of the treeview
[14:57] <DanChapman> anything inside is unavailable
[15:09] <DanChapman> senan if you click on the Places treeview then hit Ctrl+f you can type the one you want
[15:11] <senan> DanChapman: there is also toggle buttons with label like Videos
[15:11] <senan> can I click on that
[15:13] <DanChapman> senan are you looking in the tree of the GtkFileChooserDialog? I can't see anything like that
[15:13] <senan> yes
[15:14] <DanChapman> senan: is it inside a GtkTreeView?
[15:17] <senan> DanChapman: I'm not sure.. I saw that but Now I am not able to find
[15:17] <senan> I found 4 gtktogglebuttons
[15:18] <DanChapman> senan, the only place i can find a label with  markup is inside a BaobabLocationWidget
[15:19] <senan> I saw Videos
[15:21] <DanChapman> senan can you get a screenshot of where abouts you are looking?
[15:21] <senan> Dan : GtkPathBar
[15:22] <senan> Dan : how do I send the screenshot
[15:24] <DanChapman> Ahh the pathbar yeah you can click those, SO with the pathbar the button which has a label with  is the current directory you are in
[15:25] <DanChapman> They usually follow what you enter in the GtkFileChooserEntry
[15:25] <DanChapman> senan, dnt worry about the screenshot i know where your looking now
[15:25] <senan> Dan : Okay
[15:29] <senan> Dan: can I access the buttons directly like this self.create_button = self.app.select_single('GtkButton',label= u'Scan Folder')?
[15:30] <DanChapman> senan: yep thats correct
[15:31] <senan> Dan : Thats not working for me
[15:33] <DanChapman> whats it saying?
[15:33] <senan> ValueError: Object 'None' does not have any recognised position attributes
[15:33] <senan> in move_to_object
[15:35] <DanChapman> senan try self.app.select_single(BuilderName='scan-folder-button')
[15:37] <senan> same error
[15:38] <senan> Dan : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029081/
[15:38] <senan> can you check
[15:38] <senan> ?
[15:41] <DanChapman> senan, its clicking the scan-folder-button fine its the selecting the toggle button causing the probs. Your trying to select it before its been created. You need to make sure the pathbar is present and you hav selected documents on the side first
[15:43] <DanChapman> the filechooser dialog opens to 'Recently Used'.
[15:45] <senan> but the scan folder button is also not working
[15:46] <senan> file chooser dlg is not opening here
[15:46] <senan> after the btton click
[15:46] <DanChapman> does the mouse not move to it?
[15:47] <DanChapman> Works fine for me
[15:47] <DanChapman> can you paste the terminal output
[15:49] <senan> mouse moved and button clicked
[15:50] <senan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029122/
[15:51] <DanChapman> its talking about this one self.create_button = self.app.select_single('GtkToggleButton',label=u'Documents')
[15:52] <senan> ohh..is it
[15:52] <DanChapman> Its because the button is not there when the dialog starts to load so the test finishes before the dialog even opens
[15:52] <DanChapman> senan yeah you have use self.create_button twice :-)
[15:54] <senan> But even after commenting the code, filechooser dialog is not firing
[15:56] <senan> Dan, It worked when I gave sleep
[15:56] <senan> :)
[15:56] <DanChapman> senan thats because the tests finished.
[15:57] <DanChapman> Yeah exactly you need to keep the test going for it to load :-)
[16:05] <DanChapman> senan this might help you a bit http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029165/
[16:06] <DanChapman> Its gets you into the Documents folder you just need to sort out the selecting ToggleButton
[16:17] <senan> Dan: Why I am getting self not defined error in dialog = self.app.select_single('GtkFileChooserDialog')
[16:18] <DanChapman> is your indentation correct?
[16:20] <senan> yes
[16:24] <DanChapman> is your tabs set to 4 or 8 spaces?
[16:27] <senan> Dan: It worked
[16:27] <senan> something went wrong when I copied from browser
[16:27] <DanChapman> lol :-) cool
[16:30] <senan> Dan, I took it beacuse I though it will be simple to write he he
[16:30] <senan> Now I understood.. its really complicated
[16:30] <DanChapman> senan its really not too bad once you get your head round it.
[16:30] <senan> hmm
[16:34] <senan> Dan, I've some NTFS partitions mounted...click_object(tree_view) is clicking one of NTFS drive :)
[16:36] <DanChapman> senan are you trying to scann the Documents folder or a folder inside?
[16:36] <senan> Scan the document folder
[16:40] <DanChapman> senan this scans documents for me http://paste.ubuntu.com/6029289/ obviously you need to then process that the it displays documents usage
[16:41] <DanChapman> So I would change the sleep to assert the page eventually displays documents at the top
[16:46] <senan> wORKED :)
[16:46] <senan> Thanks
[16:47] <DanChapman> no worries :-)
[16:47] <senan> I'll complete the rest.. what is the use of lambda
[16:48] <senan> and (GtkTreeView)[0] ?
[16:50] <DanChapman> senan i use it as a neat little way to select something and assert it at the same time. With the GtkTreeView, see how I have used select many? well that returns a list of all GtkTreeView objects in the dialogs tree so the [0] is the first one in the list so you access it by its index in the list
[17:00] <senan> Ok Dan.. thank you very much
[17:01] <senan> Once I complete this, what should I do next ?
[17:07] <DanChapman> senan, your welcome :-) Well deja-dup and network manager still need tests so maybe them?
[17:08] <senan> No. what I meant was do I need to upload it to somewhere ?
[17:11] <DanChapman> senan, lol sorry it needs pushing to lp:ubuntu-autopilot-tests. Have you used bzr before?
[17:14] <senan> no
[17:14] <senan> anyway it will take some time to complete
[17:14] <senan> I'll be able to work 2-3 hrs per day
[17:17] <senan> Good Night Dan
[17:17] <DanChapman> senan cool well let me know when you are ready to upload it and i will walk you through. Good night
[19:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[19:15] <DanChapman> Letozaf_: hey o/
[19:16] <Letozaf_> DanChapman, hello
[19:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello :-)
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, I know you might be quite busy just after your holidays :)
[19:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I just wanted to let you know that the calendar app tests have been polished and work very well now (it wasn't me though)
[19:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, and that I am stuck on a thing on the rssreader app on the remove topic test, but do not think I can ask you for help today and while there is vUDS
[19:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, just wanted to let you know that I'm working on it
[19:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) thanks for the update! Today is a bit busy, but I will be looking at all those this week.. I owe DanChapman a good look at his emulator as well :-)
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks , maybe meanwhile I will find a solution :P
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, I saw Martin's umockdev test on Shotwell for importing pictures
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, cool!
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, we could use it for the shotwell autopilot test :P
[19:30] <Letozaf_> balloons, if you haven't already done so
[19:30] <balloons> Letozaf_, I believe he did so actually
[19:30] <balloons> I haven't had time to verify it, but that was what I got from reading his post
[19:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I ran the test, you're right! :P
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe because it wasn't in the autopilot tests branch
[19:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, but in the shotwell one, so got confused
[19:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was thinking to put this in the ubuntu autopilot tests
[19:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, Martin's test is in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu/debian/tests
[19:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. yes, that's possible.. dan's ubiquity test also lives in ubiquity's tree and not the autopilot tests project
[19:46] <balloons> if there is upstream involvement it tends to live upstream.. just like the core apps :-)
[19:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, ah ok!


[05:42] <akiva-thinkpad> is the tree my code, or is the merge-source my code?
[05:42] <akiva-thinkpad> The manual on conflict handling does not explain this well in my opinion
[05:43] <akiva-thinkpad> "This" and "Other" in my opinion, are really bad adjectives to use in describing the branches.
[06:57] <wgrant_> akiva-thinkpad: TREE/THIS is whatever was in your tree before the merge
[06:57] <wgrant_> MERGE-SOURCE/OTHER is whatever is being merged
[09:17] <sunweaver> hi!
[09:17] <sunweaver> is it possible to change my account name at Launchpad? I have been a DD for a while now, and I would love to appear under my Debian account name on Launchpad (sunweaver).
[09:18]  * sunweaver is preparing for MOTU team membership and getting that sorted our is one step (goal set up by myself).
[09:21] <StevenK> sunweaver: https://launchpad.net/~sunweaver already exists, you can probably claim it (if it's you), and then merge your existing account into it
[09:22] <sunweaver> StevenK: yeah, that's me.
[09:22] <sunweaver> well... I have just created an account for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then though better continue using my old one and ask for renaming.
[09:23] <StevenK> login.launchpad.net is not Launchpad, mind
[09:23] <sunweaver> yep.
[09:23] <sunweaver> I triggered that merging thing...
[09:24] <sunweaver> ok, merged has been requested...
[09:24] <sunweaver> now, the launchpad ID probably will be m-gabriel, not sunweaver...
[09:24] <sunweaver> StevenK: can this be changed?
[09:25] <sunweaver> ah well, login.launchpad.net vs. launchpad.net, I guess...
[09:25] <sunweaver> if this is the wrong channel, where can I request such a change?
[09:27] <StevenK> sunweaver: Filing a question against Launchpad itself would be the next step
[10:31] <wgrant> sunweaver: You can change your username at https://launchpad.net/~/+edit.
[10:34] <sunweaver> wgrant: I have already succeeded in doing so...+
[10:34] <sunweaver> Thanks
[14:12] <blueyed> Can the vcs-import for vim get fixed? It appears to be broken since 2011: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1381551
[14:17] <dobey> what's the correct upstream vcs url?
[14:21] <dobey> blueyed: so, launchpad doesn't do imports from mercurial apparently
[14:22] <dobey> and i can't edit the branch import because it just gets an oops
[17:07] <bookwar> hi all, is it possible to export subscribers list from one mailing list and add it to another? We'd like to merge two mailing lists into one without forcing everyone to subscribe again
[18:53] <blueyed> dobey: but are hg imports broken since 2011 in general?
[18:54] <blueyed> dobey: can you file a bug for the OOPS, please?
[18:58] <dobey> blueyed: broken? i'm not sure that imports from hg have ever been supported
[19:17] <blueyed> dobey: oh, it seems you're right. If you can edit the vcs url you could set this mirror: https://github.com/vim-jp/vim
[20:19] <blueyed> I've created a new import for the Git mirror, but it failed: https://code.launchpad.net/~blueyed/vim/trunk-old (Log: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/187433349/blueyed-vim-trunk.log)
[20:22] <blueyed> There is a working vcs-import at https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/vim/master however.
[20:29] <dobey> blueyed: yes, i set up the master import
[20:30] <dobey> blueyed: i've also linked the new master import to lp:vim
[20:30] <dobey> blueyed: you used the wrong URL; you can just delete the branch you created for the import
[20:32] <ricotz> hi, it seems the old binaries are not getting removed in this ppa, already more the 24 hours now -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/mozilla/+packages
[20:33] <ricotz> it blocks me uploading a fix while there is no free space ;)
[21:44] <blueyed> dobey: I've created a daily recipe for Vim at: https://code.launchpad.net/~pkg-vim/+recipe/vim-daily
[22:48] <_pd_> hi i have a problem where i acidentlly called a package 31 instead of 3.1, so I re-uploaded with the correction, but the package seems cached or something — https://gist.github.com/pdufour/64e3beae7bd0e18c683d https://launchpad.net/~britco/+archive/ubuntu/main
[22:51] <_pd_> actually looks like it's rejecting the upload https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187442120/upload_6464284_log.txt
[22:51] <maxb> Version numbers aren't allowed to go backwards
[22:51] <_pd_> if i even if i deleted the old package?
[22:52] <maxb> Um, they might be then (but you still can't re-use an exact version string, even if deleted)
[22:52] <teward> _pd_: correct - even if you delete the package you can't go backwards
[22:52] <teward> at least not in the version string
[22:52] <_pd_> ok
[22:53] <teward> heh, it's an nginx package...
[22:53]  * teward chuckles a little
[22:53] <_pd_> ?
[22:54] <teward> _pd_: i provide the nginx team's ppa packages, so it makes me chuckle seeing other nginx builds older than latest nginx stable, is all, sorry
[22:54] <_pd_> ha
[22:54] <_pd_> i just try to match what's on the ubuntu ppa, probably overly paranoid
[22:55] <teward> _pd_: s/ppa/repository/
[22:55] <teward> (that's the version in the repos, not any PPA)
[22:55] <teward> any Ubuntu PPA, rather, at least based on that version string :)
[22:55] <teward> anyways, i digress
[22:59] <teward> _pd_: i'm not 100% certain about this, but you can upload while increasing the version string - i.e 1.4.6-1ubuntu31+britco0.6+trusty1 instead of 1.4.6-1ubuntu31+britco0.6+trusty.  I think that'll work, but I might be totally wrong
[23:00] <_pd_> ah thx, will give that a go
[23:00] <wgrant> teward, _pd_: You *can* go backwards if you delete the current version.
[23:00] <wgrant> It's deliberately not documented, but it's possible.
[23:00] <teward> wgrant: are you *certain*?  I've never been able to do that, even after deleting a package in a PPA
[23:00] <teward> wgrant: and I mean ABSOLUTELY certain?
[23:01] <wgrant> teward: Yes, I wrote the code.
[23:01] <wgrant> But you cannot upload exactly the same version ever again.
[23:02] <teward> wgrant: ahh, okay, so is it better to just upload individual revisions with updated version strings, rather than going backwards?  (they're trying to upload the same version, it looks like, by version string)
[23:03] <wgrant> 1.4.6-1ubuntu3.1+britco0.6+trusty <= 1.4.6-1ubuntu31+britco0.6+trusty
[23:03] <wgrant> Not the same version.
[23:03] <teward> wgrant: hmm, true...
[23:04] <teward> wgrant: so they're trying to upload an older revision, ...-1ubuntu3.1+... , but if they delete the package in the PPA then theoretically they can upload the older version?>
[23:04] <teward> s/version/version string/
[23:05] <wgrant> Yes.
[23:06] <teward> _pd_: there's your answer then, delete the package in the PPA, and upload with the older string (the ...-1ubuntu3.1+... version)
[23:06] <teward> if i'm reading wgrant correctly?
[23:07] <wgrant> You are.
[23:08] <_pd_> hmm coulda sworn i tried that, will give it a go again
[23:10] <_pd_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/187443250/upload_6464369_log.txt
[23:10] <teward> did you actually delete the package yet from the PPA?
[23:11] <_pd_> it says it is deleted, could be cached though?
[23:11] <wgrant> You need to delete the version that holds the newer binaries.
[23:11] <wgrant> The old source is superseded, but its binaries are still alive.
[23:12] <wgrant> On +delete-packages, filter for Superseded and delete the bad version.
[23:13] <_pd_> 31 is deleted http://cl.ly/image/0M25180m2i3a/Image%202014-10-15%20at%204.13.11%20PM.png
[23:15] <wgrant> Oh, you deleted it while the builds were still in the wild.
[23:15] <wgrant> Delete it again.
[23:16] <wgrant> The i386 build hadn't quite finished up when you deleted it last time, so the i386 binaries didn't get deleted.
[23:17] <_pd_> got it


[08:04] <horace> hello folks
[08:04] <horace> I need a little bit of help because of some bug in kubuntu
[08:06] <horace> I tried to connect an old sun keyboard today and changed the keyboard model to sun type 6 and chose the layout to be european
[08:07] <horace> now, there is a bug with the keyboard input
[08:07] <horace> korgac crash systematically at start up
[08:08] <horace> and keyboard input on field like krunner or the start button is very buggy
[08:08] <horace> it's like it only recognize the keyboard input one key over ten keypress
[08:53] <acheronuk> horace: not 100% sure, but maybe the solutions in bug #1633721 night help?
[08:53] <acheronuk> *might
[09:08] <horace> ubottu: Thanks a lot! you saved my day!
[09:09] <horace> lol
[09:09] <horace> acheronuk: thank YOU a lot!
[09:46] <sonu> hello
[09:47] <sonu> behenchod koi hai zinda yahaan
[09:47] <sonu> maa ke laudon?
[09:48] <hateball> !en
[09:50] <sonu> hello
[09:50] <sonu> is there anyone??
[09:51] <sonu> any mudafucka here>
[09:51] <sonu> maa chudao sab
[11:13] <ulty> Hi, I just tried to install Kubuntu 17.04 RC1, but the install process failed with a message saying "unable to load software from install disk"
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:32] <ulty> Rebooted and tried again but still the same error: "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed".  I re-formated the usb stick and now it installs no problem :D
[12:12] <BluesKaj> ulty_01:  btw ther's no need to reboot when you make small changes to files , this is linux , not windows
[12:13] <BluesKaj> even major changes
[12:27] <larsson> jkjk
[12:28] <BluesKaj> larsson:  ??
[12:32] <larsson> I've made a test, sorry.
[16:07] <denza242> hi
[16:08] <denza242> how do i get GUI programs (started with root via KDE Sudo) to be themed so they don't look well
[16:08] <denza242> ugly
[16:15] <denza242> like i think it's just unthemed or something
[16:16] <denza242> I mean if it's a big security risk to use themes as root then I understand, but I do remember at some point having programs started as root be themed like nonroot progs
[16:30] <mparillo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1633748
[16:31] <mparillo> I saw something which I pasted in the bug report, which made me think it is a WONTFIX...just have them ported to pokit
[17:21]  * ronnoc thinks the Kubuntu call for testers blog post should contain a paragraph on how and where to post feedback.
[18:43] <clivejo> clif3833
[20:51] <magna> hello!
 hello
[21:47] <PlainDave> I just installed Kubuntu to get back to using KDE. I used it many years ago. I can't seem to activate terminal with Ctrl+Alt+t. I've tried to set the keyboard shortcut, to no avail. Any help would be appreciated.
[21:52] <mparillo> PlainDave: System Settings > Shortcuts > Custom Shortcuts > Expand Examples mark the check box and the checkbox for konsole.
[21:58] <PlainDave> mparillo: thanks
[22:11] <user|24590> I am trying to install Kubuntu from a USB stick. What's the procedure?
[22:12] <magna> there's a guide here
[22:12] <magna> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[22:12] <magna> assuming you're on windows
 How if i am on kubuntu? Does kubuntu has the great tool?


[02:14] <Sandeep> Hi
[02:15] <Guest47073> hi
[02:16] <Guest47073> need help installing
[03:06] <George> Hi all, I know this is a noob question, but I was wondering if anyone knew how to install Lubuntu onto a laptop using a flashdrive
[03:08] <xangua> How to boot Lubuntu from a flashdrive or how to install in an UEFI system?
[06:33] <SailorMoon> How do i install a deb from a terminal
[06:33] <SailorMoon> or, at all. without internet access
[06:34] <JohnDoe_71Rus> apt-get -i <package_name>.deb
[06:34] <JohnDoe_71Rus> or *.deb for some packages
[06:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> oh no
[06:36] <SailorMoon> Didnt work lol
[06:36] <JohnDoe_71Rus> dpkg -i <package_name>.deb
[06:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> with root
[06:37] <hateball> !sudo
[06:38] <hateball> SailorMoon: also you should check if it is in the repo or not first
[06:38] <hateball> !repo
[06:38] <hateball> !software
[06:40] <SailorMoon> WOO <3 Lubuntu works with my phones native USB Tethering
[06:41] <Unit193> `apt install ./foo.deb` to be precise.
[06:50] <SailorMoon> guys i need opinions, Theres an additional driver for my CPU
[06:50] <SailorMoon> Microcode firmware for intel
[06:51] <SailorMoon> should i use it?
[06:52] <TheSchaf> sure
[08:42] <traceur920> Hi, i was trying to auto change wallpaper with pcmanfm through a script, but doesn't seems to work. Here's the script https://pastebin.com/uTKqPSnF, any help?
[08:52] <leszek> traceur920: any error message for that script ?
[08:53] <traceur920> none visible
[08:54] <leszek> tried manually setting the wallpaper with the pcmanfm line in the script ? Does this work ?
[08:54] <traceur920> yes it does work
[08:55] <traceur920> I'm not familiar with bash scripting, so I may have done some obvious errors that maybe I can't recgonize
[09:28] <leszek> then I guess the downloading might fail. Though it should give an error then
[09:31] <traceur920> the download does not fail, I checked the directory, can see the file downloaded and can set it manually to be the wallpaper...
[09:33] <leszek> hmm... strange then. Maybe you need to run the script with bash +x to see step by step what it does and what fails
[09:48] <traceur920> tried, but no info at least as i can see (edited the script to see wget output). Here's the output and even a short stream of what it does: OUT: https://pastebin.com/tNPVT6zn  VIDEO: https://streamable.com/qi6gj
[14:32] <azizLIGHT> How to switch workspaces/desktops with keyboard.
[14:35] <azizLIGHT> What is the path to enter in terminal to navigate to a network share
[14:39] <azizLIGHT> I found the path by right clicking the server in left pane of file manager and clicking open in terminal
[14:39] <azizLIGHT>  But how to switch desktops left and right using keyboard. And then how to move windows between desktops left or right using keyboard?
[14:41] <wxl> azizLIGHT: never bothered with that but i'm sure there's something in the openbox docs. 1s
[14:43] <wxl> you can use the SendToDesktop action, @azizLIGHT http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#SendToDesktop
[14:45] <azizLIGHT> Interesting. What key is this exactly: <keybind key="W-S-F1">
[14:45] <wxl> it's "windows"-shift-f1
[14:45] <wxl> you can define it how you like
[14:45] <wxl> the openbox wiki discusses all that in great detail
[14:48] <azizLIGHT> Thank you very much
[14:48] <azizLIGHT> It looks like I'm not able to use ddrescue on a samba mounted share
[14:48] <azizLIGHT> Er
[14:48] <azizLIGHT> I cannot write to samba share when trying to ddrescue
[14:49] <azizLIGHT> It says map file is not writable


[00:00] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/YtM9Z.png <-- famous
[00:08] <claydoh> pretty:)
[00:08] <claydoh> I think I will toss a coin to pick my phone
[00:09] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://www.sylloge.com/5k/entries/162/
[00:09] <apachelogger> much bettar
[00:09] <claydoh> naw it has to be low-tech
[00:10] <claydoh> plus i have to decide which is yes and which is no :)
[00:10] <apachelogger> just go "should I buy the phone x oh mighty universial decison maker?"
[00:11] <claydoh> battery life and much better screen vs  slightly better camera/flash and nicer feel to the case
[00:12] <apachelogger> battery life and screen tops everything IMHO
[00:12] <claydoh> I think better screen and battery win, as I am outdoors a lot
[01:09] <lunarcloud> for anyone who was looking at and/or editing the google doc associated with the upcoming release announcement, a google docs bug forced me to backup and recreate the document (i know how not to reproduce). So it's now located: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQobLCdkgk5QZK3qgIIJ3X1J_rZXeZT5ZsYAsCXL8IU/edit?hl=en_US with full edit access.
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> I prolly ought to come up with a session or two
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse_: ping
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[03:10]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[03:23] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: why so sad?
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: People playing with the docs have not been filling out the work items.
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> So, I have to review almost all of them instead of what hasn't been done.
[03:25] <DarkwingDuck> Can someone bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs and tell me the active revision?
[04:05] <tsimpson> DarkwingDuck: wouldn't "bzr revno lp:kubuntu-docs" tell you that?
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> I got my issues worked out.
[04:34] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: pong
[04:34] <valorie> sorry, I had guests
[04:34] <valorie> and freenode kicked me off anyway
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: awesome. I answered my own questions.
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: You're not going to be in Orlando? :(
[04:41] <valorie> I forgot to apply
[04:41] <valorie> :(
[04:42] <valorie> thought I had a few more days
[04:42] <valorie> but I didn't
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> :( bugger
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm going to be up for a while.
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> I have to figure out what all jjesse did on the docs.
[04:42] <valorie> I'm getting back to work on them in a sec
[04:43] <valorie> downloaded the checking thingie, and have been looking at the docs
[04:43] <valorie> I've found one broken image link
[04:43] <valorie> dunno what to do about it though
[04:44] <valorie> oops
[04:44] <valorie>   /kubuntu/docs/audio/C/burning.html - no first image
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: did you finish Audio, bugs, CLI, Contact, contribute and basics?
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ^^
[04:55] <valorie> yes, but I just found a problem in bugs
[04:55] <valorie> which I will fix right now
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Okay cool.
[04:55] <valorie> I got errors again last night
[04:55] <valorie> are they already pushed?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[04:56] <valorie> it doesn't like me uploading more than one file, i guess
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> This is what I've been complaining about people not updating https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[04:56] <valorie> should I have different names for each thing or something?
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> I got it updated though
[04:56] <valorie> I updated that every time though!
[04:56] <valorie> maybe it didn't take my input?
[04:56] <valorie> it looked like it did......
[04:57] <valorie> shi*, there are a lot of TODOs
[04:57] <valorie> ;(
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, you have to click the green checkmark when you are finished.
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I brewed a fresh pot.
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> By tomorrow I'll update the POT files and build
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> THey hand off to translations.
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> s/THey/then/
[04:58] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck meant: "then hand off to translations."
[05:01] <micahg> can someone tell me what type of warning they get in konqueror with this website: https://www.aivd.nl
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: give me a sec
[05:07] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: http://imm.io/9cAa
[05:07] <micahg> :(, that's what I want to see
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry
[05:08] <micahg> hmm, maybe it's just a 4.6/4.7 difference
[05:08] <micahg> I get that in maverick now
[05:09] <micahg> DarkwingDuck: thanks for the help
[05:09] <fabo> ScottK: I have the sslv2 issue in my todo. I think there's a better way to resolve the issue
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: I'm getting the error in Firefox as well. I can just ignore it in FF
[05:10] <micahg> DarkwingDuck: right, in QT, it's a straight blacklist, in Firefox the blacklist was conditional on when the cert was issued whether or not it could be ignored
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> Righto
[05:11] <ScottK> fabo: OK.  We're getting very close to the end here, so any suggestions you have I'd greatly appreciate.  We probably only have about two or three more shots to upload Qt before release.
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: YOu are not going to be able to make it to Orlando, correct?
[05:13] <ScottK> It's very unlikely at this point.
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> very sad
[05:22]  * micahg is saddened by that as well, who else am I going to stay up to 4 in the morning talking to :)
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be there :P
[05:23] <micahg> please say hi :)
[05:27] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I will... We need to schedule a kubuntu picture meeting time.
[05:27] <valorie> I would say that I'll fly on my own dime, but it's RIGHT after the doc camp and mentor summit
[05:27] <valorie> so bad timing, even if I was sponsored
[05:35] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: I can no longer edit https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[05:35] <valorie> is it locked, or what?
[05:38] <valorie> am gonna work on desktop
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: It shouldn't be... are you logged into LP?
[05:39] <valorie> yes
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> strange...
[05:39] <valorie> perhaps i should log out and in again?
[05:39] <valorie> I just requested merge for bugs
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> It should let you edit under the "Whiteboard" section
[05:39] <valorie> again
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> URL for the merge request?
[05:40] <valorie> oh, now it's letting me
[05:40] <valorie> https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75478
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: revision 231
[05:47] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: you suck at life
[05:47] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: I know I know.
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone in here actually used Krita?
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Like, is it stable enough to include in documentation?
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> WTF?
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> Krita requires KOffice?
[05:57] <ScottK> It's part of koffice.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> Interesting.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> I had forgotten that.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> How stable is it?
[06:00] <shadeslayer> hey guys, morning
[06:00] <shadeslayer> hey valorie
[06:03] <DarkwingDuck> Morning
[06:03] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: You ever used Krita?
[06:03] <shadeslayer> nope
[06:14] <valorie> hi shadeslayer
[06:14] <valorie> I saw it demoed at DS
[06:15] <valorie> looked pretty damn cool
[06:15] <valorie> Krita is a part of Calligra, as I recall
[06:15] <valorie> KDE should be providing the documentation
[06:16] <shadeslayer> valorie: Google won't allow me to stay for the Mentor Summit, carols said it was a mentors only event :'(
[06:17] <valorie> right, mentors and admins
[06:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[06:17] <valorie> but you'll be there for doc camp, right?
[06:17] <shadeslayer> yep
[06:17] <shadeslayer> if i get the visa :P
[06:17] <valorie> cool
[06:17] <valorie> I'm looking forward to both
[06:18] <shadeslayer> :D
[06:18] <valorie> but I'll bet it will be exhausting too
[06:18] <shadeslayer> just have to figure out accomodation for the 22nd now
[06:18] <valorie> so I'm sort of glad that I'm not going to orlando
[06:18] <shadeslayer> haha
[06:18] <valorie> but oh, I want to be there anyway
[06:18] <valorie> i just wish there was more time between
[06:19] <valorie> one week between CLS/OSCON and flying to Berlin was NOT enough
[06:19] <shadeslayer> valorie: i found some awesome flights this time, they take only 18 hours
[06:19] <valorie> heh
[06:19] <valorie> 25 hours to Berlin
[06:19] <valorie> sec
[06:20] <shadeslayer> maybe i should borrow apachelogger's spaceship this time
[06:22] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: Doc Camp?
[06:23] <valorie> yes, the week before the Mentor's Summit
[06:23] <valorie> GSoC spinoff, I guess
[06:23] <valorie> it's the first time they've done it
[06:24] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you took 25 hours to berlin?
[06:24] <valorie> I'm in the same team as shadeslayer - we'll be working on documenting how to get involved in KDE
[06:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: spaceships are for people from the past, we need a teleporter
[06:24] <valorie> Seattle is a looooong ways from Berlin
[06:24]  * micahg would be happy with a shuttlecraft
[06:24] <valorie> I did have a two hour or so layover in New Jersey
[06:26] <valorie> there is no more KDE Menu editor, am I correct?
[06:26] <valorie> because the Kickoff is now just a plasma widget, right?
[06:27] <shadeslayer> nigelb: eh no, that would be valorie :P
[06:27] <valorie> oops, no
[06:27] <nigelb> YOu guys have no imagination. Or forgot Star Trek.
[06:27] <nigelb> I just want my own personal transporter :P
[06:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[06:28] <shadeslayer> spaceships are more cooler
[06:29] <nigelb> but slower
[06:29] <shadeslayer> so?
[06:29] <shadeslayer> much more fun tho :P
[06:29] <nigelb> instant gratification is more win :P
[06:30] <shadeslayer> and if i understand teleportation correctly, the actual you is lost and a clone is received at the other end :P
[06:30] <nigelb> Don't get philosphical with technology :P
[06:31] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[06:33] <DarkwingDuck> Uggh
[06:34] <jussi> oh yay for fun. all the things that are suposed to slide out from the panel slide from the top... fixes plskthxbai
[06:36] <tsimpson> jussi: learn C++, then Qt, then KDE, kthxbye!
[06:36] <tsimpson> and Python while you're at it :)
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> Only 3 more docs
[06:38] <jussi> tsimpson: AWW, dont be mean :(
[06:44] <tsimpson> actually, learn C++, then Python. it's a lot easer once you know C++ and you won't fall into bad practices from learning an interpreted language first
[06:44] <shadeslayer> ^^ true that
[06:44] <valorie> putting up desktop, DarkwingDuck
[06:45] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: i usually prototype my classes in python and then convert it into C++
[06:45] <valorie> https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75485
[06:46] <shadeslayer> uhm
[06:46] <valorie> give me a hint as to what you'd like me to work on next
[06:47] <shadeslayer> valorie: i see diff markers
[06:47] <shadeslayer> +>>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE
[06:47] <valorie> what do you mean?
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: Yeah...
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> Toss that out and review all the docs.  Any ref to KpackageKit and any ref to OpenOffice
[06:49] <valorie> what?
[06:49] <valorie> that was an hour of work
[06:49] <valorie> bleah
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> I made those changes :P:P
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> make sure you update your branch
[06:49] <valorie> I did
[06:50] <valorie> I've been following your doc guide religiously
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> revision 336?
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: I hate you
[06:50] <valorie> I'm not sure what you are asking
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> Should have marked it on the Work Items
[06:50] <valorie> I did
[06:51] <valorie> and saved that
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> It wasn't...
[06:51] <valorie> :(
[06:51] <valorie> oh, well
[06:51] <valorie> ok, I'll go back to the review thing
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just looking for ref to KPackageKit and OpenOffice
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Those need to be shot.
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Replaced with Muon and LibreOffice
[06:52] <valorie> I wanted it correct, and I made it correct
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> and if it's &menukpackagekit; it needs to be changed to &menusysmuon;
[06:52]  * DarkwingDuck hugs valorie
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> I'm sorry :(
[06:56]  * valorie goes and makes a gin and tonic
[07:03]  * DarkwingDuck yells at nixternal
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> I am so going to update these damn scripes
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> s/scripes/scripts/
[07:19] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck meant: "I am so going to update these damn scripts"
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: hows it coming?
[07:24] <valorie> delicious!
[07:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:25] <DarkwingDuck> Up for a lst minute review?
[07:25] <DarkwingDuck> s/lst/last
[07:25] <valorie> sure
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> Like I said... Just look through for refs to KPackageKit and OpenOffice
[07:26] <valorie> tell me *exactly* what you want me to do
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to be re-writing these damn scripts
[07:26] <valorie> which ones?
[07:28] <DarkwingDuck> The validation and pot generation scripts
[07:29] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to make it simplier to validate and make pot files.
[07:30] <valorie> cool
[07:30] <valorie> anyway, tell me exactly what to do and I'll do it
[07:31] <valorie> no more wasted work
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> You use Kate?
[07:32] <valorie> yes
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> if you can go into each xml file in the branch, click Ctrl+F and search each document for refrences to both OpenOffice and KpakcageKit
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> They should be changed to LibreOffice and Muon respectivly.
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> or how ever you spell it.
[07:34] <valorie> ok
[07:41] <valorie> <sect1 id="bluefish-editor">
Bluefish Editor - Web Development Editor</title>
Home page:
[07:41] <valorie> <ulink url="http://bluefish.openoffice.nl"> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl </ulink>
[07:41] <valorie> in Development.xml
[07:41] <valorie> dunno what that is
[07:42] <valorie> and I didn't change it
[07:44] <valorie> fixing games.xml atm
[07:44] <DarkwingDuck> that for bluefish, you can leave that one.
[07:44] <valorie> did
[07:48] <valorie> pushed games
[07:50] <valorie> and there is an error
[07:50] <valorie> dunno why the last one is still active -- you refused it
[07:51] <DarkwingDuck> .......... hmmmz
[07:53] <valorie> and launchpad showed that
[07:54] <DarkwingDuck> You pulled first right?
[07:54] <valorie> pulled?
[07:54] <valorie> update, status, commit, then push
[07:57] <valorie> I can paste you my changes if that helps
[07:59] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/121495
[08:03] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks, gimme a sec
[08:04] <DarkwingDuck> That's in games?
[08:04] <valorie> yes
[08:04] <valorie> search for kpackage and you'll find the paragraph
[08:04] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, Thanks. :D
[08:10] <bambee> morning
[08:12] <DarkwingDuck> Morning :)
[08:13] <valorie> graphics - fixing
[08:15] <valorie> pushing
[08:17] <valorie> s l o w Launchpad
[08:19] <valorie> oh good grief
[08:21] <valorie> oops, I hadn't entered my passphrase
[08:21] <valorie> lawd
[08:22] <valorie> another error
[08:22] <valorie> There is already a branch merge proposal registered for branch lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits to land on lp:kubuntu-docs that is still active.
[08:22] <valorie> no idea why
[08:24] <DarkwingDuck> hang on.
[08:24] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, give it a couple minutes then try again.
[08:25] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: give it another shot.
[08:26] <valorie> proposed successfully
[08:26] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[08:28] <valorie> fixing index.xml
[08:28] <DarkwingDuck> hang on...
[08:28] <DarkwingDuck> I gotta figure out why it is showing the diff markup
[08:29] <valorie> ok
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> Because, that will mess everything up. :(
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> On a brighter note...
[08:32] <DarkwingDuck> there are really cool automated scripts for validation now.
[08:35] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell
[08:35] <valorie> ready to push when you're ready
[08:36] <DarkwingDuck> try it again.l
[08:38] <valorie> the previous one?
[08:39] <valorie> done
[08:39] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[08:39] <valorie> hey Riddell
[08:39] <valorie> are you coming to UDS?
[08:40] <Riddell> valorie: I will if you will :)
[08:40] <valorie> argh!
[08:40] <valorie> I'd have to pay my own way
[08:40] <valorie> and i would, if it wasn't so darn close to the doc camp and mentor summit
[08:41] <valorie> god though, a few days on the river with darby......
[08:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: can you look at this and figure out why it's showing the diff markup for valorie? https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75496
[08:41] <valorie> that's heaven
[08:42] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: looks like it needs to pull from trunk and fix the conflicts
[08:42] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ^^^
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm *finally* fixing the pot scripts for the docs
[08:43] <Riddell> yay
[08:43] <valorie> but I do an update, status, commit, then push
[08:43] <valorie> every time
[08:44] <valorie> as the Documentation guide recommends
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> GARG
[08:44] <valorie> downloaded from trunk only a week or so ago
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> update == pull
[08:45] <valorie> and have done the update every time
[08:45]  * DarkwingDuck goes to fix his damn guide
[08:45] <valorie> I've been doing it wrong?
[08:45] <valorie> geeeeez
[08:47] <debfx> Riddell: how can I tell bzr commit to open an editor instead of guessing the commit message from the changelog?
[08:47] <Riddell> BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=builddeb bzr commmit
[08:48] <Riddell> debfx: ^^
[08:51] <debfx> Riddell: thanks
[08:52]  * debfx creates an alias
[09:03] <DarkwingDuck> valorie is going to give up on me.
[09:03] <bambee> apachelogger: did you import your fixes btw ? (for kde-workspace) I can do it, if you want...
[09:04] <valorie> I'll at least push the last changes I made
[09:04] <valorie> if that will help
[09:04] <valorie> I do need to sleep eventually
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> How far did you get?
[09:06] <valorie> I have index.xml ready to push
[09:06] <valorie> if you want it
[09:07] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[09:07] <valorie> do you have the last one yet, or what?
[09:07] <valorie> and how /when should I pull?
[09:07] <valorie> the Documentation doc hasn't changed
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> merge away
[09:11] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: http://community.kde.org/Getinvolved/documentation
[09:12] <valorie> another error
[09:12] <valorie> same as before
[09:12] <valorie> this sucks
[09:12] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: also http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account and mention apachelogger :)
[09:18] <valorie> the entire index.xml is at http://paste.kde.org/121519/ if that is of use, DarkwingDuck
[09:18] <valorie> niters all
[09:19] <valorie> manage-software will need fixing
[09:19] <valorie> but I don't think I'm the person to do it
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> I'll finish it. thanks for EVERYTHING valorie
[09:26] <valorie> I'll check the rest
[09:26] <valorie> and report those which need changes
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: I've got it.
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> I've made most of the changes.
[09:30] <valorie> cool
[09:30] <shadeslayer> valorie: whoa, it must probably be 3 AM for you
[09:30] <valorie> 2:30
[09:30] <valorie> about average for me
[09:31] <shadeslayer> oh .. alright, night :)
[09:31] <valorie> video mentions kpackagekit
[09:32] <valorie> so I've checked them all
[09:33] <jussi> Hrm, I have an idea - how about we provide a decent set of default headings and styles in libreoffice - not something that looks like it came out of the 90's... Is this possible? can I help define these? who do I need to contact to get this started?
[09:33] <debfx> yofel_: what's the url of your bzr branch overview page?
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> thanks valorie
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> docs updated
[09:35] <DarkwingDuck> now to test my new script for generating pot files.
[09:37] <ejat> :)
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> YAY!
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> It's crude as all get out but, it works!
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> ls
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> oops, wrong window
[09:42] <DarkwingDuck> anyone in here work with translations?
[09:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[09:47] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[09:48] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: dpm is the translations man ;)
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> hey Riddell, question about getting the docs to translation.
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> I have updated the pot files.
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> What else do I need to do to get them uploaded or whatever. :D
[09:49] <Riddell> have the package uploaded to the ubuntu repository with the pot files updated
[09:49] <Riddell> tell the translators to translate it
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> I need to build the package?
[09:50] <Riddell> someone does
[09:50]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> I guess now is a good time to learn to build packages...
[09:50] <Riddell> then before the release get the .po files and turn them into docbook and upload that
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> Righto
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> http://paste.kde.org/121525/ my xml to pot script for our docs :D
[09:51] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: does the bzr build-deb work? :P:P
[09:51] <Riddell> maybe but it doesn't build source packages, that still done the same way
[09:51] <Riddell> dch -i  to add a changelog
[09:52] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build source package
[09:53] <DarkwingDuck> I'll give this a shot and see how I do.
[09:54] <Riddell> make sure you move the .bzr directory out the way before running debuild -S
[10:18] <bulldog98_work> who is responsible for kubuntu.org? the links to Locos are not working. eg http://www.kubuntu.org/support/deutsch
[10:19] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: give me a moment and I'll look at it.
[10:19]  * bulldog98_work hugs DarkwingDuck
[10:20] <bulldog98_work> can we get branding for http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html ?
[10:20] <bulldog98_work> some thing like http://status.kubuntu.org/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: make a note of it for me at UDS.
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> I'll work on that while I'm working on getting help.k.o
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems I will definitely need a cpp ical parser
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in qml you cannot thread a qtobject
[10:24] <apachelogger> only javascripts
[10:30] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: I will not attend uds, and where can I I do notes like that?
[10:34] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: make a note at the bottom of this page. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh :P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> will have a go over the weekend
[10:37] <apachelogger> also I need to envision storage and sync at some point
[10:37] <shadeslayer> i'm pretty sure we can store with libical
[10:38] <apachelogger> also I had the awesome idea of making it a one stop info app for uds stuff ... a venue map could be added, travel documents could be added, travel information
[10:38] <apachelogger> maybe even notes, so that all the uds stuff is in one place ^^
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and sync?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe syncevolution?
[10:39] <apachelogger> on a phone?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> syncevolution is made for phones as well :P
[10:39] <apachelogger> for something as trivial as vevent?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> vevent?
[10:39] <apachelogger> events in a cal
[10:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:39] <apachelogger> the fatness of all the components is killing me
[10:40] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[10:40]  * apachelogger is thinking about sync from remote ical to local storage
[10:41] <shadeslayer> kmustleave now
[10:41] <shadeslayer> cya
[10:41] <apachelogger> o/
[10:44] <DarkwingDuck> wow, apachelogger is awake now?
[10:44] <DarkwingDuck> And I have not been to bed yet :/
[10:44] <debfx> is there anything else in kde-workspace that we need to fix?
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: plz import the mighty patches
[10:45] <debfx> which patches?
[10:45] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you should totally go to bed really
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: the foundations of rootonly kcm fix
[10:46] <debfx> I've already added them
[10:46] <apachelogger> bambee: debfx has already added them
[10:46] <bambee> oh great
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: uploaded too?
[10:47] <debfx> no, I'll upload it now
[10:47] <apachelogger> you are the awesomest
[10:47] <debfx> apachelogger: they replace the old kcm root path, right?
[10:47] <debfx> *patch
[10:47] <apachelogger> yes
[10:47] <debfx> ok
[10:48] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Yeah, I should but, I needed to finish these docs.
[10:48] <DarkwingDuck> the freeze is today.
[10:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I finished them.
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I built a bunch of new validation scripts
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I build a fixed pot script
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> and now I'm trying to get this to build...
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> How the hell do I give the key for debuild?
[10:51] <apachelogger> -k
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> -k key?
[10:52] <apachelogger> -k0x1243256 or -k"My Name"
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> or just -k
[10:53] <apachelogger> hm
[10:53] <apachelogger> jon the taco polluted the userconfig pkg with debian-changes patches
[10:53] <apachelogger> eeew
[10:54] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmz...
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: what do I change to get the package to reflect 10.10 and not 10.04?
[10:58] <apachelogger> what is the package? kubuntu-docs?
[10:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[10:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: in debian/changelog make sure your entry has the version 11.10ubuntu1 as version and oneiric in the field next to it
[11:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu-docs (11.10ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low
[11:00] <apachelogger> like that
[11:00] <DarkwingDuck> awesome. Thanks.
[11:01] <DarkwingDuck> dch -i kubuntu-docs (11.10ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low ?
[11:01] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry for the dumb question... learning
[11:01] <apachelogger> dch -v 11.10ubuntu1 -D oneiric
[11:02] <DarkwingDuck> AHHHHH!
[11:02] <apachelogger> if you do not define oneiric it shoudl default to UNRELEASED
[11:02] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks
[11:02] <apachelogger> which will prevent you from uploading, so you'd usually run it without the -D as UNRELEASED prevents you form "accidental" uploads ^^
[11:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: also mind that you should use SERIESubuntuREVISION as version, unlike what rich did
[11:03] <apachelogger> that way you can run dch -i after the first revision
[11:03] <DarkwingDuck> Will do. :D
[11:03] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[11:03] <apachelogger> and it will *correctly* increment
[11:03] <apachelogger> whereas with 11.04.1 it will increment to 11.04.1ubuntu1
[11:04] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... that sucks
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: This is my first time :D
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I have it built.
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> where do I upload for translation?
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> where/how
[11:05] <apachelogger> I believe yo ujust need to uploaded
[11:06] <apachelogger> dpm:  will know ^
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> How does that work?
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> like, how do you upload? :)
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You'll love my xml to pot script :D http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[11:07] <apachelogger> you need a sponsor for the upload
[11:07] <apachelogger> as you are not a dev you cannot upload yoruself
[11:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: Oo
[11:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: dude, like you could totally have made a 4 line loop out of that :O
[11:07]  * apachelogger is scared away
[11:07] <dpm> apachelogger, DarkwingDuck, on the phone, let me come back to you in a minute
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: awesome!
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: That's what happens when you unleash me on scripts on zero sleep. :D
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternals scripts were broken.
[11:09] <apachelogger> even my qml from late in the night is better than that :P
[11:09] <apachelogger> unreadable though
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> So, how would you do it? :P:P
[11:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/689903/
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> I'm NOT good at bash scripts at all
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[11:12] <apachelogger> so... that intially gets an array of ical events, then it creates an array with 7 entries (to contain the events per-day) then it iters over all those 7 entries and fills them with each an array (i.e. [[],[],[]...] is the models afterwards) at the same time it creates another array and fills it with 7 entries that contain the pages to display the vents per weekday
[11:13] <apachelogger> then it iters over all entires in the original array, and checks which day they belong to and pushes each into the appropriate sub-array
[11:14] <apachelogger> then it sets the appropriate array of events as model on their pages and if the model is not empty it creates a button to access that page
[11:14]  * apachelogger is so meta, he even meta described the meta code there
[11:16] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[11:32]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[11:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee for DarkwingDuck
[11:33]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to DarkwingDuck.
[11:33] <DarkwingDuck> Thank you kubotu
[11:33] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway, to upload to ubuntu... how does that work apachelogger?
[11:34] <apachelogger> you give a developer your source package
[11:34] <apachelogger> tell him to uplaod or else...
[11:34] <DarkwingDuck> what's your email addy apachelogger?
[11:34] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[11:35]  * apachelogger is coding
[11:35] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping XD
[11:36] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[11:37] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: care to upload a package for me?
[11:37] <Riddell> sure
[11:37] <DarkwingDuck> jr@ubuntu?
[11:37] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu
[11:38] <DarkwingDuck> just the tar.gz or do you need the .dsc too?
[11:46] <jussi> he needs your SOUL... bwahahaha... :P
[11:47] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[11:48] <DarkwingDuck> WTF!?
[11:48]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[11:48]  * DarkwingDuck kicks nixternal again
[12:00] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: building locally to check it out
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Sorry I didn't sned both of them the first time. :)
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> Let me know how I did. :D
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> My first package
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[12:07] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: did it build?
[12:21]  * jussi high 5's DarkwingDuck
[12:21] <DarkwingDuck> Justing waiting for it to be uploaded, email the translators and then I can go to bed.
[12:21] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[12:22] <DarkwingDuck> then I have till they are done to finish the script for turning pot files into xml files again.
[12:28] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes
[12:28] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Cool!
[12:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: docs are done.
[12:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I built it and just waiting for them to get uploaded.
[12:32] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: uploaded, congratulations on your elite packaging skills
[12:35] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: yeah, not quite elite yet... but, it's a start :)
[12:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yay! the version is finally right. thanks apachelogger
[12:40] <DarkwingDuck> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+packages if you don't know what I'm talking about :D
[12:41] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, sleepy time. Thanks Riddell and I'll only bug you one more time for an upload this series :D
[12:42] <Riddell> you haven't been to sleep?  give your head on the pillow man
[12:43] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Today is the Doc freeze. Needed to finish this up.
[12:43] <DarkwingDuck> It's only 5:45a
[12:43] <Riddell> your dedication to the cause is appreciated :)
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> I need to write better scripts. :)
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> But, that can wait.
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: package uploaded ready for translation mate.
[12:45] <DarkwingDuck> aaaaaand on that note, I'm off to bed. Night guys
[12:45] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, thanks
[12:45] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: actually on time for once :D
[12:45] <dpm> excellent :)
[12:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell, apachelogger thank you both for your help
[12:48] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, if you've got the chance tomorrow, it'd also be great if you could have a quick look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs and tell us if there is any obsolete template we should disable from there
[12:48] <bulldog98_work> dpm: until when do I have to translate it to get it included?
[12:49] <dpm> bulldog98_work, until the NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline milestone on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[12:49] <bulldog98_work> so I havetime until next week
[12:50] <dpm> that's rather in 2 weeks time
[12:50] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: welcome-desktop, netbook, about-desktop, about-kubuntu are obsolete and about has been added.
[12:51]  * bulldog98_work has time next week and needs to get accepted as German translator to approve that
[12:53] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, disabled, thanks.
[12:53] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: anything else you need from me?
[12:54] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, that's all I think. If you could just have a look from time to time on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports to see that the translations appear there and have been imported, that'd be great
[12:54] <dpm> just to make sure they are imported fine
[12:54] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: Awesome. Will do. Thanks!
[12:54] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, no worries, thank _you_! :-)
[12:54] <DarkwingDuck> :D Now that I know what I'm doing fully, it'll be like this every cycle. :D
[12:55] <dpm> awesome :)
[13:07] <apachelogger> maco: could you pretty please merge the commit for bug 743062
[13:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you are still not in bed? :O
[13:09] <bambee> DarkwingDuck: what time is it at your home ?
[13:10] <CIA-130> [userconfig] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[13:10] <CIA-130> Change x-kde-rootonly in the desktop file to x-kde-substitudeuid, former was
[13:10] <CIA-130> only supported by a patch in workspace which is now implemented upstream but
[13:11] <apachelogger> bambee: whatever happend to your cpp rewrite?
[13:11] <apachelogger> or was that someone else?
[13:18] <bambee> apachelogger: It works but it's not usable yet (and not finish yet). Dude, I've too much things to do v_v (phonon, kdelibs, davros, kubuntu)... I will fork myself... I think...
[13:19] <apachelogger> same here
[13:19] <apachelogger> bambee: is the code on kdegit yet?
[13:19]  * bambee has been forked
[13:22] <davmor2> if bambee has been forked is that not cloning?
[13:26]  * bulldog98_work thinks bambee should save his brain contens in an other persion, so does not need to fork himself :P
[13:26] <bulldog98_work> s/persion/person/
[13:26] <kubotu> bulldog98_work meant: "thinks bambee should save his brain contens in an other person, so does not need to fork himself :P"
[14:13] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml2.mp4
[14:39] <bambee> bulldog98_work: if I fork myself my brain contents won't be reduced, but cloned. My productivity will be improved and I will fix the bad code wrote by apachelogger  more efficiently :P
[14:40] <bambee> bulldog98_work: Shhh, he does not know it yet :P
[14:41] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: add kgethotnew stuff support and we can also use it for akademy or desktopsummit
[14:42] <bulldog98_> bambee: as log as it works and is bug free no prob (and feature complete)
[14:45] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin: hi the patch you posted to packagers is awesome :)
[14:45] <bambee> mgraesslin++
[14:45] <bambee> ;)
[14:45] <bulldog98_> ~karma mgraesslin
[14:45] <kubotu> karma for mgraesslin: 4
[14:46] <mgraesslin> glad that distributions welcome it :-)
[14:46] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin++
[14:46] <bulldog98_> ~karma mgraesslin
[14:46] <kubotu> karma for mgraesslin: 5
[14:46] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: has someone uploaded the new kde-runtime yet?
[14:49] <apachelogger> not that I know of
[14:50] <apachelogger> take a look at the old lunchpad
[14:50] <bambee> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/+junk/kcm-userconfig
[14:50] <apachelogger> bulldog98: screw kghns, I will make a company for that
[14:50] <bambee> actually it works in read-only
[14:51] <apachelogger> ConfMachine Inc.
[14:51] <apachelogger> bambee: why no write?
[14:51] <bambee> not finished yet and the code must be cleaned
[14:51] <bambee> apachelogger: it's not finished yet
[14:51]  * apachelogger is good at cleaning code
[14:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: isn’t frank already making money with that?
[14:53] <bulldog98> ryanakca: is there also a forum theme in planning (work?) we, the germanspeaking Loco, would need a new one?
[14:56] <apachelogger> bulldog98: not with providing apps and configs for conference organization
[14:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as long everything is based on kubuntu and you pay at least an other kubuntu member it’s ok :P
[14:58] <apachelogger> nope
[14:58] <apachelogger> all android
[14:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am not getting any branding bug 377220
[14:59] <apachelogger> :'(
[15:00] <bulldog98> apachelogger: we should think about switching to calligra
[15:02] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what about assinging that to libreoffice :)
[15:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you are awesome, plz move to libreoffice ^^
[15:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also I already told scott that we should kill koffice with fire
[15:53] <ryanakca> bulldog98: We've never handled forum themes on the grounds that there were no officially affiliated Kubuntu forums. Feel free to contribute one though :)
[15:55] <bulldog98> ryanakca: hm we need a theme for our new forum (we switch forum engine) hoped we could build upon something
[15:56] <ryanakca> bulldog98: You can base it off the new wiki theme, just a second, I'll get you the LP branch
[15:57] <maco> apachelogger: ok
[15:57] <ryanakca> bulldog98: lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-light-wiki-theme
[15:57] <bulldog98> ok thanks
[15:57] <ryanakca> bulldog98: Looks like http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup , I'm told our next drupal theme will be based off of it.
[15:58]  * bulldog98 needs to get that done next week
[16:03] <maco> apachelogger: merged
[16:06] <debfx> ScottK: do I need some kind of freeze exception to hide useless checkboxes in the polkit-kde dialog?
[16:06] <apachelogger> maco: domo arigatou :)
[16:08] <maco> apachelogger: i didnt test it since i dont have a clue how to rebuild an iso so i hope it works :P
[16:08] <maco> or at least that it doesnt break anything
[16:08] <apachelogger> it worked when I created it
[16:09] <apachelogger> btw IIRC you do not need to rebuild the ISO to test ubiquity
[16:09] <apachelogger> there is some way to do dry run testing
[16:09] <apachelogger> or at least that is what I remember
[16:09] <apachelogger> maybe I created my own dry run ^^
[16:11] <maco> scp all the pythons :P
[16:12] <maco> ive tested python (not .ui) changes by just modifying them live
[16:12] <maco> but i dont think you can do that with .ui files
[16:16] <apachelogger> actually you can, you just have to restart ubiquity
[16:16] <apachelogger> IIRC the ubiquity python code compiles the UIs at runtime
[16:17] <apachelogger> (which BTW I find a very bad idea for speed in the final product)
[16:21] <bulldog98> debfx: as long as you don’t any new strings no
[16:24] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do we need any patches ontop of 4.7 when using raster as default?
[16:24] <apachelogger> debfx: we should likely switch to raster at build time rather than env var?
[16:24]  * mgraesslin doesn't know of any required patches
[16:24] <apachelogger> kthx
[16:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: could you reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/377220 for libreoffice
[16:29] <apachelogger> if rekonq wouldnt forget my cookies all the time
[16:42] <ScottK> debfx: You do, but all you need is an ack from DarkwingDuck, valorie, or jjesse that it either doesn't affect kubuntu-docs or they're fine with redoing the screenshot.
[16:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Someone needs to package and upload the calligra beta then.
[16:43] <ScottK> (if you want to kill koffice with fire)
[16:43] <ScottK> And we still have digikam unfixed too
[16:44] <bulldog98> ScottK: and we would need digikam 2.1.1
[16:44] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, if we haven't received any bug reports about raster
[16:45] <ScottK> bulldog98: Yes, although I'd settle for 2.0.  We're still on 1.9, so something < 1.9.
[16:45] <bulldog98> ScottK: maybe we could provide that in experimental or something like that
[16:46] <ScottK> If someone can give a sane package, I'll approve an FFe for it.
[16:47] <bulldog98> ScottK: yofel_ already package 2.0 (but it needs a MIR)
[16:47] <ScottK> What bug for the MIR?
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: I didn't see any
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: how is raster on plasma netbook?
[16:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is that our default now?
[16:48] <apachelogger> has been active the entire cycle
[16:48] <apachelogger> via xsession export
[16:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: echo $QT_GRAPHICS_SYSTEM
[16:49] <apachelogger> eh
[16:49] <apachelogger> echo $QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM
[16:49] <apachelogger> should say raster
[16:49] <ScottK> Then it's fine.
[16:49] <ScottK> (don't have the netbook handy at the moment)
[16:51] <bulldog98> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/324523
[16:51] <bulldog98> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/834190
[16:54] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: don't they have 2.1.1 out now?
[16:55] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: they have. You or yofel_ could package it, or me tomorrow
[16:55]  * bulldog98 must had off till later
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, i can give it a shot
[16:57] <ScottK> bulldog98: At this point getting the opencv MIR in is too late, so we need to figure out how to make digikam work without it.
[16:58] <ScottK> So 2.0 or 2.1.1, either one needs that done.
[17:15] <allee> ScottK, shadeslayer: grep -R opencv/  shows that it's usedin libkface and removeredyes.  And running cmake without libcv*dev installed fails: OpenCV required but some headers or libs not found.
[17:16] <allee> digikam without libkface and redeyered is not worth much, isn't it?
[17:16] <ScottK> So it'll take some surgery.
[17:16] <ScottK> We've never had the redeye reduction support for this exact reason.
[17:16] <ScottK> That's not new.
[17:25] <allee> ScottK: uh, so IMHO: digikam -> universe
[17:25] <ScottK> allee: It's on the DVD and has been ~forever. Is there no way to work around it?
[17:35] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: could you please check if we have a screenshot of the polkit authorization dialog in the docs and comment on bug #851090?
[17:36] <ScottK> debfx and apachelogger: What do you think: Drop digikam from the DVD (Universe) so we can update to 2.1.1 and have redeye reduction?
[17:37] <ScottK> I guess it's better than staying with 1.9?
[17:37] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: the dialog is for example shown when you change the Login Screen settings
[17:37] <debfx> ScottK: I wouldn't worry too much about dropping stuff from the DVD
[17:38] <ScottK> OK.
[17:38] <ScottK> Unless apachelogger objects soon, I'll take allee's advice.
[17:40] <allee> not perfect but best for the users of digikam IMHO
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i think thats a acceptable solution
[17:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: off with its head!
[17:42] <shadeslayer> the other solution would be to put it in a PPA, but i'd rather not do that
[17:42] <ScottK> OK.
[17:42] <apachelogger> the difference between having it on the DVD and only universe is not particularly big
[17:42] <apachelogger> most users install from CD anyway
[17:42] <apachelogger> only kent beck knows why
[17:43] <shadeslayer> i don't see why we even have DVD builds :P
[17:43] <allee> debfx: kauth dialog also show a popup(?) menu when more than one user is in the admin group.  But it neither remembers your last choice or  preselect you if you are in the admin group
[17:44] <apachelogger> kauth is made out of UX fail
[17:45] <allee> apachelogger: and there are heros like debfx, that fight against the failure
[17:46] <shadeslayer> i thought agateau fought against UX failure
[17:47] <apachelogger> doesnt everyone
[17:47] <allee> shadeslayer: I wrote heros
[17:47] <allee> note the s :)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:47] <apachelogger> and then there is qt quick which supports it thanks to broken elements
[18:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: got a cool idea of that thing you were asking lately ;)
[18:34] <sheytan> even without any new  artwork needed
[18:34] <apachelogger> do you also have a cool idea for a UDS mobile app? ^^
[18:34] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml.mp4
[18:34] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml2.mp4
[18:36] <sheytan> not really, but i'm looking for someone to build libkfacebook for me (natty x64) :D
[18:36]  * sheytan wonders why it's not default?!
[18:36]  * apachelogger does not even know what it is
[18:36] <sheytan> apachelogger: akonadi resource for facebook calendar and contacts ;)
[18:37] <apachelogger> eek, more akonadi
[18:38] <sheytan> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/pim/akonadi-facebook/repository
[18:38] <sheytan> if someone would be so nice :D
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks bambee would be perfect for this
[18:40] <sheytan> would be awesome :)
[18:41] <sheytan> btw, this would be cool to like have in default kubuntu install ;D
[18:42] <apachelogger> sure, if it had sane UX
[18:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: UX?
[18:44] <apachelogger> us0r experience
[18:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: what's not good in it?
[18:45] <apachelogger> it does not have one :P
[18:46] <sheytan> it shows all the stuff in kontact, so what's the problem? :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> exactly that is the problem
[18:47] <sheytan> where else it should show that data?
[18:48] <apachelogger> something more usable than kontact anyway
[18:48] <sheytan> ah
[18:48] <sheytan> that's the problem here
[18:48] <sheytan> give them time ;)
[18:48] <sheytan> it's pretty stable right now
[18:48] <sheytan> i mean
[18:48] <sheytan> it doesn't crash at least for me
[18:48] <sheytan> and  i have it from kubuntu experimental repo
[19:06] <ScottK> micahg: Is there any way to get a reload button to click on in FF?  Having it in the right-click menu is very inconvenient.  I'm exploring switching back to FF from Chromium and that's one of the two most annoying things (the other is the lack of a duplicate option when opening new tabs)
[19:08] <apachelogger> hm
[19:08] <apachelogger> why do we not have qtmobility 1.2?
[19:10] <debfx> ScottK: the reload button is in the address bar
[19:10] <ScottK> debfx: No.
[19:10] <ScottK> Wait
[19:10] <ScottK> It is.
[19:10] <debfx> it is when you have loaded a page
[19:10] <ScottK> I see it now.  Thanks.
[19:11] <bambee> apachelogger: what ? what ?
[19:11] <debfx> you can also drag'n' drop it to the left
[19:11]  * bambee reads the log
[19:13] <micahg> ScottK: it should be next to the URL bar on the right side
[19:15]  * bambee adds akonadi-facebook to his todolist
[19:17] <ScottK> micahg: It was (as debfx also told me).  It was just too small for me to notice.
[19:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:17] <micahg> ScottK: I seem to have a problem with backscroll lately, so I miss these things :)
[19:19] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for answering.
[19:27] <micahg> ScottK: and I regret to inform you that I won't be able to get to kdesdk before the freeze, will try to get it over the weekend though
[19:27] <ScottK> micahg: Thanks.
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> morning
[19:52] <apachelogger> yoyo
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: thanks for the help last night.
[19:52] <apachelogger> I helped?
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> With the building.
[19:52]  * apachelogger had the impression DarkwingDuck did all the work :)
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> Now I know how to build the docs
[19:53] <debfx> ScottK: is it ok to upload the no-change rebuilds even after the beta freeze?
[19:53] <apachelogger> now you should write docs about that
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> Now, to fix my hack-n-slash job on the scripts
[19:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:55] <DarkwingDuck> and build a script for turning the pot files back into xml
[19:55] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml3.mp4
[19:56] <apachelogger> mapsmapsmaps
[19:57] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: have you seen my message about the polkit-kde authorization dialog?
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: I just saw it. Checking now.
[19:59] <debfx> ah, we still have an hour before beta freeze :)
[19:59] <debfx> thanks
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: No screenshots. :)
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> You're safe.
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: you still need me to comment on the bug?
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: morning mate. :)
[20:03] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: yeah that would be good
[20:04] <debfx> ScottK: could you approve bug #851090
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: commented.
[20:07] <DarkwingDuck> bambee: when you asked what time it was... it was 6a
[20:07] <bambee> o.O
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> Aye. :)
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> But, the docs got to the translators at the freeze. :D
[20:09]  * bambee thinks DarkwingDuck was probably drunk to work on documentation at 6a
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> bambee: You want to see how bad it was last night? Other then my announcement email called Oneiric 10.10 but, this was my script I slashed together. http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[20:11] <ScottK> debfx: Done
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Don't kill me on that script. I'm re-writing it.
[20:12]  * ScottK thinks DarkwingDuck overestimates how much he cares ...
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Have you looked at it?
[20:14] <debfx> apachelogger: could you please sponsor https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80002997/polkit-kde-1_0.99.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[20:14] <ScottK> I've done worse.
[20:14] <debfx> somehow the package vanished from our packageset
[20:14] <apachelogger> debfx: if you annoy someone about the packageset stuff
[20:14] <ScottK> Although I don't think I ever put the full FSF copyright/license header on worse.
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:16] <apachelogger> WTF ftw
[20:17] <debfx> apachelogger: I've already mailed cjwatson
[20:18] <debfx> but he doesn't seem to be very responsive
[20:18] <apachelogger> maybe he does it like apachelogger and doesnt read no mails not at all
[20:20] <bambee> DarkwingDuck: woo!
[20:24] <ScottK> Whoever is looking at Digikam should look at Debian Bug #628019
[20:24] <ScottK> It's also got updates for 2.1.1
[20:35]  * debfx starts upload the rebuilds semi-automatically and hopes our branches are up-to-date
[20:52] <BarkingFish> guys, quick question.  I'm in the process of setting up my build layout and the next things would be my gpg key and ssh key.  They already exist, but I don't have them on my pc - can I regenerate them or do I have to change them both?
[20:52] <BarkingFish> as in, can i recover the keys I already have from launchpad and incorporate them, or do I have to make new ones?
[20:53] <apachelogger> new ones
[20:53] <apachelogger> launchpad only has public keys
[20:53] <apachelogger> otherwise the key concept would not work very much :)
[20:56] <DarkwingDuck> Now, why didn't I do this last night??????
[20:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: So, this is the new script... http://paste.kde.org/121987/
[20:57] <apachelogger> muchos better
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:59] <BarkingFish> damn, thanks apachelogger
[20:59] <BarkingFish> means I gotta re-sign the code of conduct and make a whole new set of keys.
[21:00] <ScottK> And make a backup copy of your private key and store it somewhere safe.
[21:01]  * apachelogger has his keys implanted in his chest
[21:02] <ScottK> That explains the curvature then.
[21:02] <apachelogger> yep
[21:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cocktail
[21:04]  * kubotu tells apachelogger to choose either 'bloody mary', 'cuba libre', 'grüne witwe', 'long island iced tea', 'mai tai' or 'sex on the beach' (with apachelogger that is).
[21:04] <apachelogger> uhhh
[21:04] <debfx> ScottK: so can I continue to upload the rebuilds post beta freeze without the release team chasing me?
[21:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: order mai tai
[21:04]  * kubotu shakes 3cl white rum, 1.5 cl orange curaçao, 1.5 cl Orgeat syrup and 1 cl fresh lime juice, strains it into a glass and floats 3 cl dark rum onto the top, and slides the cocktail down the bar to apachelogger. Voilà, your Mai Tai :)
[21:04] <ScottK> debfx: yes.  I'll just have to manually accept them.
[21:04] <ScottK> Sooner the better though as it'll break image builds until when things are out of sync.
[21:05] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, That looks nice. I'll order one too :)
[21:05] <BarkingFish> kubotu, order cocktail
[21:05]  * kubotu tells BarkingFish to choose either 'bloody mary', 'cuba libre', 'grüne witwe', 'long island iced tea', 'mai tai' or 'sex on the beach' (with apachelogger that is).
[21:05] <BarkingFish> kubotu: order grüne witwe
[21:05]  * kubotu mixes 4 cl Blue Curaçao and 12 cl orange juice in a glass over ice, stirs it, garnishes with a organge juice and slides the cocktail down the bar to BarkingFish.  Voilà, your Sex on the Beach (with apachelogger) :)
[21:08] <apachelogger> oh great, work -.-
[21:08] <claydoh> do you pour it for me too?
[21:09] <claydoh> good thing i don't drink a lot
[21:10] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, the green fairy, a more affectionate name of absinthe, which can send you absolutely gaga if you drink enough :)
[21:10] <BarkingFish> contains distilled wormwood oil, which causes blindness, madness and in some cases, death :)
[21:10] <apachelogger> madness
[21:10] <apachelogger> I think I had too many fairies in my life already
[21:11] <BarkingFish> yes, madness. I'm talking proper "cuckoo 42 banana haha horses are in the kettle" type madness
[21:12] <ScottK> digikam is in Universe now, so someone can upload any time.
[21:12] <claydoh> someone should feed some absynthe to Kmail2, it might sort it out
[21:13] <apachelogger> someone could write me a letter
[21:13] <BarkingFish> D.
[21:13]  * claydoh may actually move to tbird. I ahve used kmail almost exclusively for about 10 years now
[21:13] <BarkingFish> There you go :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> someone could move to muttttttttt
[21:13] <claydoh> hrmpf
[21:15] <claydoh> actually kmal2 is simply too annoying, a drunk, mad kmail2 would so much less fun
[21:15] <apachelogger> booze parteee
[21:16] <apachelogger> if the mountain will not come to mohamet, mohamet must go to the mountain
[21:16] <apachelogger> or for those of us who already are on the way... since kmail2 behaves like a drunken squirrel, we should also do that
[21:17] <apachelogger> leveling the playing field I suppose one calls this
[21:29] <debfx> could someone else rebuild the kde packages that are not part of the kde sc?
[21:30] <apachelogger> debfx: rebuild for what?
[21:30] <debfx> apachelogger: desktop file translations
[21:31] <apachelogger> which kde packages are there that are not in the great and mighty package set though?
[21:34] <debfx> apachelogger: it's not about upload permissions but distributing the workload
[21:34] <apachelogger> ah
[21:34] <apachelogger> I am falling asleep
[21:34] <apachelogger> could do tomorrow
[21:34] <apachelogger> I suppose
[21:34] <apachelogger> evening my schedule says
[21:38] <BarkingFish> YAY!
[21:39] <BarkingFish> I'm all done.  New gpg, new ssh key, code of conduct signed (again) and I'm back up and rolling.
[21:39] <BarkingFish> about bl**dy time too :)
[21:40] <BarkingFish> I just have to see whether I have the new or the old version of pull-lp-source now :)
[21:40] <BarkingFish> oh crud. I have the old version :)
[21:46] <ScottK> debfx: I just accepted a stack of your uploads.
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> hmmz, anyone on the translation team in here?
[21:53] <BarkingFish> DarkwingDuck, I'm not, but I wish I was :)
[22:02] <BarkingFish> ScottK, I'm back in business.  Everything is live again.
[22:02] <ScottK> Cool.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> bazaar's done, pbuilder-dist is set up, got the new version of pull-*-source, the lot.
[22:03] <ScottK> I think bug triage is probably where it's at right now.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> yeah, and I'm not great at that as you saw the other day :)
[22:03] <ScottK> Are you subscribed to the ubuntu-devel and kubuntu-devel mail lists?
[22:03] <ScottK> I think you just got unlucky.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> no, not yet
[22:04] <ScottK> You should do that.  ubuntu-devel-announce too.
[22:04] <BarkingFish> ScottK, I can't read backtraces, stacks or anything like that. I fix 'em when I find 'em, I just don't know *how* to find the problems in the first place :)
[22:05] <BarkingFish> how do I subscribe to the mailing lists?
[22:05] <ScottK> BarkingFish: OK.https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[22:05] <ScottK> Same pattern for the others.
[22:06] <BarkingFish> righty ho
[22:06] <ScottK> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-September/034086.html is where we are on boost1.42.  None of them build without changes, so feel free to have a stab at them.
[22:06] <ScottK> (check on LP and see if anyone has already fixed them before you spend time on it)
[22:08] <BarkingFish> all 3 subscribed, just waiting on the confirmation emails
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: ping
[23:01] <debfx> apachelogger: how are we going to manage desktop file translations for projects we are upstream? :)
[23:01] <debfx> like the firefox installer
[23:01] <apachelogger> need to stay
[23:01] <apachelogger> at least for the time being
[23:02] <BarkingFish> right guys, i'm off to my pit for the night.  See ya this evening :)
[23:03] <debfx> yeah, but how?
[23:07] <apachelogger> debfx: too tired to think about that... but do we not have the desktop file key in there by default already?
[23:07] <yofel> debfx: in case you didn't find it yet: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/bzrstat/
[23:07] <apachelogger> I think userconfig had it
[23:07] <apachelogger> then again I looked at that file more than 6 hours ago so I would not remember
[23:08] <yofel> shadeslayer, bulldog98: feel free to take a shot on digikam 2.1.1 - the packaging for 2.0.0 is in bzr and I won't do a thing before sunday
[23:08] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel: can we please put all them web stuff a) on a wiki page b) in a bzr branch c) transit them to ubuntuwire
[23:08] <debfx> firefox installer doesn't have it but that could be easily changed
[23:08] <yofel> apachelogger: I did link it on the ninjas page overview
[23:08] <apachelogger> make *one* page
[23:08] <apachelogger> put all the external resources there
[23:09] <apachelogger> and then implement b and c :P
[23:09]  * apachelogger gets grumpy from bad knowlede management
[23:09] <debfx> but that's only a short-term solution as launchpad won't pick up new strings
[23:09] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/ *is* one page
[23:09] <debfx> yofel: thanks
[23:11] <debfx> apachelogger: yes but I need to rewrite parts of the script first
[23:11] <apachelogger> debfx: why?
[23:11] <debfx> how does one get access to ubuntuwire anyway?
[23:11] <apachelogger> can do that as well in a branch :)
[23:12] <apachelogger> debfx: talk to the ubuntuwire people I think there is #ubuntuwire
[23:12] <yofel> as for my page, it's implemented in bash + cron job, now sure how you get *that* on ubuntuwire
[23:12] <debfx> the code is too embarrassing :P
[23:12] <yofel> at least there's probably a better way to implement it
[23:12] <yofel> more like I hope there definitely is one ^^
[23:13] <apachelogger> debfx: cant be worse than what DarkwingDuck came up with yesterday :P
[23:14] <apachelogger> yofel: surely there is a way
[23:29] <debfx> yofel: have you tested the kdirwatch patch in kde4libs?
[23:29] <yofel> not specifically, wasn't on my PC the last 2 days until now
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: at least I fixed it :P:P
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[23:37] <yofel> debfx: I think that one affects only distros that have 3.0 kernels, we should be fine with 3.0.0. Scott said it wouldn't hurt to have it though
[23:37] <yofel> (unless I missed something)
[23:38] <debfx> yofel: yeah I agree it would be nice to get it in
[23:39] <debfx> someone needs to test it though
[23:39] <debfx> at least that it still works fine with the oneiric kernel


 @hacker12455 [hm, does UT support hardware buttons on devices? (home, menu and back)], home button works in some devices … it toggles the app drawer … menu and back does not work and their concept doesn't exist in UT
 Can someone tel me how much time it needs to get the GPS position on N5 ?
 i've enabled it 2hours ago, still have nothing
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/I0OrSSa0.png
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/8SQKUzZA.png
 A new member will hopefully join UB ports very shortly!
 What device is this
 @Waxberry [A new member will hopefully join UB ports very shortly!], awesome
 @Flohack [That screen doesnt look right], What a minute why My ubports recovery have no logo
 I mean model
 @LostVX [I mean model], fxtec pro1
 @hacker12455 [fxtec pro1], Thx
 hello all! is there any way to backup the full image of the ubports pinephone in order to restore it?
 @Waxberry [<reply to media>], 😍
 @Waxberry [<reply to media>], Which phone?
 fxtec pro1 did he say
 @lduboeuf [Can someone tel me how much time it needs to get the GPS position on N5 ?], Under clear sky? 5min max
 Are you indoors?
 yes, but i think it is a hardware issue, i will keep the device outside again to test
 @stefwe [fxtec pro1 did he say], That phone looks great wit ut
 @DarknessHiddenorg [That phone looks great wit ut], I totaly agree
 yeah! I'm really craving for a smooth experience of UT....I miss my Nexus 5 … I need to buy a new fast device 😄
 @asierurbi [hello all! is there any way to backup the full image of the ubports pinephone in …], there's no easy way at the moment but you can maybe backup the userdata partition into an image file and restore. Haven't tried that though. I've only copied the whole partition to and from the sd card
 @Javacookies [yeah! I'm really craving for a smooth experience of UT....I miss my Nexus 5 … I ne …], the new qt seems to have HUGE improvements too
 Fwd from mariogrip: qt 5.15 is so damn fast
 (Video, 21s) https://irc.ubports.com/McjyP7Gz.mp4
 different OS but :P
 but system-settings start in record time, and this is even on a pinephone
 that's like 10 times faster then the current ubports pinephone image
 it sure is
 didnt expect the qt bump to be that much of an improvement, but clearly it is
 it IS really good to see the pinephone will get there long term :)
 @Javacookies [there's no easy way at the moment but you can maybe backup the userdata partitio …], ok thanks!
 @rogieroudshoorn [that's like 10 times faster then the current ubports pinephone image], but i do wonder how this new qt will perform on a newer never an faster device
 like the fxtec pro
 @rogieroudshoorn [that's like 10 times faster then the current ubports pinephone image], [Edit] but i do wonder how this new qt will perform on a newer never and faster cpu
 @mariogrip [<reply to media>], don't go teasing us like this! 😄
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/RFciUvx7.mp4
 also, we're not going straight to 5.15 right? 5.12 first?
 also, manjaro has Qt 5.15 and Lomiri already works on it? Awesome!
 didn't someone have a semi-working OP5?
 @Javacookies [also, we're not going straight to 5.15 right? 5.12 first?], 5.12 is where most of the performance improvments happens
 looking at the qt blogs https://www.qt.io/blog/2019/05/03/qt-quick-performance-improvements-qt-5-12-lts-updated-qt-5-12-3
 the new js engine is just faster for sure
 Now I'm more excited. Upgrade to 5.9 also brought some performance improvements before.
 @Javacookies [also, we're not going straight to 5.15 right? 5.12 first?], right. 5.12; 5.15 requires too many low level deps to be upgraded, to build it on 16.04
 @Javacookies [also, manjaro has Qt 5.15 and Lomiri already works on it? Awesome!], Jup
 @dohbee [right. 5.12; 5.15 requires too many low level deps to be upgraded, to build it o …], yeah, 5.15 wont happen before 20.04
 also with 5.12 app devs can use the qtquick compiler, to ship pre-compiled qml
 same for lomiri and co
 @dohbee [right. 5.12; 5.15 requires too many low level deps to be upgraded, to build it o …], I see. good luck 😄
 @dohbee [also with 5.12 app devs can use the qtquick compiler, to ship pre-compiled qml], I know this is great but this means no more messing with qml files without recompilation right?
 @Javacookies [I know this is great but this means no more messing with qml files without recom …], no, afaik it will recompile on the fly if there is a diff
 or a newer qt
 Hello, guys. I boot UBports, but unity not started. Black screen.  How fix? … error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment … GL_VENDOR = Qualcomm … GL_RENDERER = Adreno (TM) 510 … GL_VERSION = OpenGL ES 2.0 (OpenGL ES 3.2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(GIT@I96480c87c9)) … to and from FDs are required for display manager
 @mariogrip [no, afaik it will recompile on the fly if there is a diff], so plain qml files will still be available?
 @Javacookies [so plain qml files will still be available?], yes
 @Dimaty562 [Hello, guys. I boot UBports, but unity not started. Black screen.  How fix? … err …], need more logs and what device is this_
 @Dimaty562 [Hello, guys. I boot UBports, but unity not started. Black screen.  How fix? … err …], [Edit] need more logs and what device is this?
 that's good to know. I've been living with messing with qml files directly. It's just so much easier to test especially for the simpler ones 😄
 @mariogrip [need more logs and what device is this?], Wich?  Leeco le2
 @Dimaty562 [Wich?  Leeco le2], did you port it?
 best is to move to https://t.me/ubports_porting
 @Javacookies [I know this is great but this means no more messing with qml files without recom …], well, nothing is changing about that yet in the core stuff
 but for things like authenticator-ng that use qrc already, and you can't just edit qml directly anyway, it is a nice little improvement
 also means those devs who wanted to do some proprietary thing before and couldn't because of the missing qml compiler, can do so with 5.12
 @dohbee [but for things like authenticator-ng that use qrc already, and you can't just ed …], yeah, actually my apps are already compiled since I moved to C++ template. But I'm mainly worried with Lomiri. It's fun experimenting with it
 @Javacookies [don't go teasing us like this! 😄], Lol
 If @mariogrip  is going to tease me then i will tease him back.
 (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/wdfjqLqj.png
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8CJsFqN4.png
 @Spikerguy [<reply to media>], ha! i got scaling settings if you want
 But yes he got few things more.  So i have to wait for him always
 @mariogrip [ha! i got scaling settings if you want], Always  but ill b back later need to go out for some time
 @Spikerguy [Always  but ill b back later need to go out for some time], pushed to lomiri-desktop-session
 so you can get the scaling goodies if you want :P
 @mariogrip [so you can get the scaling goodies if you want :P], Nice
 Did your run firefox with xwayland flags manually?
 @Spikerguy [Did your run firefox with xwayland flags manually?], yes
 Ok
 Ok back to lomiri group please
 I am scared of ubort group there are too many ppl here and too many messages.  😂
 ha :P
 @Spikerguy [<reply to media>], Great UI on great OS :))
 (Sticker, 272x512) https://irc.ubports.com/7A3Nd9sb.webp
 @jedi2light [Great UI on great OS :))], Thanks
 are there already ready made images of Manjaro with Lomiri for the pinephone?
 There are not
 @Javacookies [are there already ready made images of Manjaro with Lomiri for the pinephone?], Soon my friend soon . … Next time you ask this question make sure you tab marius.  😝
 no problem 😄
 hello again! I have  the ubports edition pinephone, and would like also to try and play with mobian. I have created the sd but it always boot ubports :s any idea on how to make the sd boot work? Thank you!
 Can we make our port official?
 @LostVX [Can we make our port official?], Is there any guide or smth about that
 @asierurbi [hello again! I have  the ubports edition pinephone, and would like also to try a …], it should boot the sd card so I would think your sd card isn't bootable. How did you flash mobian to your sdcard?
 i did several tries with bmaptool and with dd
 it creates two partitions, small one, and the second with the left space
 both copy processes finished fine
 it is a 32GB sdcard class 10
 how could I guess if the sd card is bootable?
 thank you!
[16:57] <ubptgbot> f1soarez was added by: f1soarez
 well it should just boot if it's bootable. When in UT, try running the command `lsblk` in the terminal … this i while the sd card is inserted … there should be mmcblk0 and mmcblk2 (sd csrd and internal)
 Are there any work about 18.04?
 no
 @Javacookies [well it should just boot if it's bootable. When in UT, try running the command l …], thanks kugi! finally i tried ecther and worked fine 😊
 @asierurbi [thanks kugi! finally i tried ecther and worked fine 😊], Cool, enjoy! 😄
 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
[17:39] <ubptgbot> <Jeroen Bozz> @mariogrip [<reply to media>], any idear when alpha is coming
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 @lduboeuf [Can someone tel me how much time it needs to get the GPS position on N5 ?], Haven't managed yet
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 @mariogrip I'm trying to run Lomiri on manajaro on the PBP... i switched to the unstable repos and installed the package they have, but it only shows "Mir Wayland" on SDDM
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/9X0govsb.png
 and launching it from terminal i get this
 I killed SDDM, so it's not that
[20:07] <ubptgbot> YepYepperson was added by: YepYepperson
 You can run it manually
 Need the right scripts
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[21:49] <kingiy> anyone know why in fluffy chat when I try and join any other channel than ubports it gives me a 'no known servers' error?
 Does anyone have the latest version of Sailbook? Had to do a factory reset and as I was reinstalling my apps, noticed it was no longer in the open store.
 on what device?
 Meizu pro 5
 oh, it's just not in the store at all
 try pesbuk instead?
 I had both installed. I liked sailbook a bit more.
 ok. i don't know where it went :)
 If no one has it, that's fine. I can stick with pesbuk if need be.
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