[17:09] <mhall119> nigelb: FYI, achuni is going to try and get the new django-openid-auth installed on a VPS for one of ISD's staging sites for testing
[17:09] <nigelb> mhall119: \o/
[17:09] <mhall119> if all goes well, we should be able to make it available to IS from the IDS PPA to install on cranberry
[18:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: yay
[18:15] <cjohnston> verdict time


 so Gwen, what are you wearin
[06:58] <bazhang> troll detected
[07:14] <elky`> "troll" is the polite term.
[07:15] <bazhang> wretched of the earth?
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> DJones: Moon face is 3% illuminated. || Moon phase: Waxing crescent || Next full moon is on Thursday 27 December
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> So no, not at all.
[12:27] <Tm_T> yet
[12:55] <ikonia> lhavelund: that factoid needs updating now
[12:55] <lhavelund> ikonia: Does it?
[12:55] <lhavelund> Hrm.
[12:56] <ikonia> !nvidia
[12:56] <lhavelund> !badbot
[12:56] <lhavelund> ikonia: If you could assist DooMBoY, I owe you a beer.
[12:57] <ikonia> no no, it's fine
[12:57] <ikonia> wasn't a crique
[12:57] <ikonia> but it's not really much good with the 12.04/12.10 setups now
[12:57] <ikonia> doesn't explain how to get restricted driver tool up
[12:57] <ikonia> etc
[13:10] <lhavelund> ikonia: ah
[13:10] <lhavelund> ikonia: I haven't used Ubuntu since...
[13:10] <lhavelund> Linux li353-53 <IP_ADDRESS>-linode34 #1 SMP Tue Jun 21 10:29:24 EDT 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:10] <lhavelund> :p
[13:10] <lhavelund> 10.04.4
[13:26] <ikonia> the 10.04/11.10 releases those instructions are solid
[13:26] <ikonia> not so great beyond that (not bad but no detail)
[15:29] <Pici> !away > n3ffa
[18:59] <chromster> when trying to join #ubuntu chnnael I get the message that I'm banned....
[18:59] <chromster> Are you guys banning based on ip?
[19:00] <chromster> because my ip is VPN ip....and as I understand it'sshared among many people...
[19:00] <bioterror> dont use that VPN then
[19:01] <chromster> bioterror: mmmm... well - u don't necessarily want everyone on IRC to see your ip....
[19:01] <ikonia> chromster: what are you vpn'ing into
[19:01] <ikonia> school, work, open proxy ?
[19:01] <bioterror> chromster, tsk tsk
[19:01] <bioterror> !cloak
[19:01] <bioterror> chromster, ^
[19:01] <Myrtti> if you don't want your ip shown, then use TOR.
[19:01] <chromster> it's mullvad VPN - purely for privacy
[19:02] <chromster> Myrtti: TOR was wicked sow the last I tried.....
[19:02] <ikonia> let see what's happened with this
[19:03] <ikonia> ahh it is boozeywooze
[19:03] <ikonia> that's the reason it's banned
[19:04] <chromster> bioterror: the reason I use VPN - it covers entire internet connection, not just certain apps....
[19:05] <ikonia> chromster: well, sorry, but that host is banned
[19:05] <bioterror> the reason I dont use VPN is, I dont do anything illegal
[19:05] <chromster> ikonia: k. so legitimate VPN users can suck it?
[19:05] <ikonia> chromster: correct
[19:05] <bioterror> get yourself non-public vpn ;)
[19:06] <ikonia> chromster: I suggest complaining to the VPN provider if people are abusing it
[19:06] <ikonia> chromster: I appreciate it can be frustrating
[19:09] <ikonia> chromster: just read through the terms and conditions of the VPN, and sadly, it's a totally unmonitored / managed solution
[19:09] <ikonia> so it is probable you'll hit this abuse problem on more than just IRC in the future
[19:09] <ikonia> sorry about that
[19:10] <ikonia> chromster: anything else we can help you with ?
[19:10] <chromster> ikonia: how do you see that taking place? "hey mullvad - there are these guys at ubuntu channel on freenode that banned ip because of certain individual nicknamed boozie-woozie...."
[19:10] <ikonia> chromster: it's an unmanaged service, so sorry about that
[19:10] <chromster> ikonia: that's gonna make their day :)
[19:11] <ikonia> well, nothing we can do
[19:11] <ikonia> sorry
[19:11] <chromster> ikonia: :) nahh that's cool
[19:11] <ikonia> thanks
[19:12] <ikonia> take care, bye
[19:12] <chromster> k. kick me from this channel too..
[19:12] <ikonia> no need


[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #158069 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome "openchrome is not working in Gutsy  (dup-of: 145279)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158069
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #138880 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (universe) "Openchrome driver in Gutsy (on in Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pro V2055) (dup-of: 145279)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138880
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #175789 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "package xorg-driver-fglrx 7.1.0-8.42.3+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175789
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #175822 in xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (universe) "radeonhd driver segfaults - edid problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175822
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #175823 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "[Hardy]Scrolling with synaptics touchpad does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175823
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #175835 in ubuntu "Can not switch to TTY terminal from X in Hardy Alpha-1 (dup-of: 131751)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175835
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #175883 in xorg (main) "package xserver-xorg 1:7.3+7ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175883
[16:06] <Q-FUNK> can the version of -radeonhd in hardy compile against gutsy dependencies?
[16:10] <tjaalton> not OOTB
[16:11] <tjaalton> I think it build-deps xserver 1.4
[16:11] <jcristau> it should work with old stuff though
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> you mean relaxing the build-dep for x 1.4 and randr 1.2 should work?
[16:13] <jcristau> afaik, yes
[16:13] <tjaalton> yep
[16:14] <Q-FUNK> ok.  it seems to be the only obstacle to getting myself a new laptop.
[16:15] <Q-FUNK> if it builds, then I'm basically ok.
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> although i'll have to find a way to install ubuntu with some sort of generic driver first.  at least with the feisty Cd I tried today, even VESA failed.  it couldn't find a screen mode it likes.
[16:16] <tjaalton> gutsy should work
[16:16] <tjaalton> vesa&server needed patches
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> aye.  it even has some older snapshot of the driver available in universe.
[16:17] <Q-FUNK> I still haven't received my gutsy CD's from shipit, though.
[16:19] <Q-FUNK> I I'm just making a quick test in a gutsy pbuilder after relaxing xrandr and x core build-deps
[16:23] <Q-FUNK> checking for XORG... configure: error: Package requirements (xorg-server xproto fontsproto  randrproto renderproto videoproto xextproto) were not met:
[16:23] <Q-FUNK> No package 'xextproto' found
[16:23] <Q-FUNK> nope.  won't build on gutsy without adjustments.
[16:35] <Q-FUNK> was missing a build-depends on  x11proto-xext-dev
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #114015 in vbetool (main) "vbetool crashes error 6 on resume with nvidia (dup-of: 88152)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114015
[18:48] <ubotu> New bug: #175939 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "black screen on reboot with restricted drivers and "desktop effects" enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175939
[21:34] <ubotu> New bug: #175071 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Please add an explanation to Finnish "Kotoistus" keyboard in installer" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175071


[08:57] <cub> zequence: I'm setting up two saucy VB on my pc now to test the upgrades, hopefully it will get done during the day. After that I will try the precise -> trusty even if there's no specific test cases for it at the moment
[08:58] <cub> I'm on a mac today though, so testing jack and sound is often a bit messy
[09:42] <zequence> cub: I'll also give upgrading a try
[09:48]  * cub is kicking myself for not saving the old saucy installations
[09:49] <zequence> Our DVD is starting to get quite large. I think we should consider a CD version for next release
[09:49] <zequence> I'm a bit curious on how much changes we can do for each point release. Would be good if we could do that for 14.04.1
[09:52] <cub> is there a schedule for the 14.04.1 release?
[09:53] <cub> there's been the discussions on "bloatware" but on the other hand some argue that noone use CD anymore any way
[09:55] <zequence> I think the problem is the time it takes to download it, especially if you only need the bare system
[09:55] <zequence> I'm waiting for ubuntustudio-live to be accepted. Probably buggy, and needs to be fixed, but with that, the user can choose what to install
[09:55] <zequence> And, I need to make it able to download packages
[09:56] <zequence> Not just pick from the DVD/CD
[09:57] <cub> cool
[10:00] <cub> different question. If you want to convert a "standard" ubuntu to ubuntu studio, which packages are essential to get the audio and low latency kernel?
[10:01] <zequence> cub: You mean, just jack and audio configs?
[10:01] <cub> any other steps involved, as adding to the audio group or similar? I haven't done this in ages and I think it's different now since you did a lot of changes before 13.10?
[10:01] <zequence> Install jackd and linux-lowlatency. Add yourself to audio group. That's it
[10:01] <cub> it's a question on the ubuntuforums from a user who is going to buy a System76 pre-installed
[10:01] <zequence> If you need the pulseaudio bridge, install pulseaudio-module-jack
[10:01] <zequence> Ah
[10:01] <cub> there is an outdated wiki page
[10:02] <zequence> Yes. It's kind of big. Could be reduced
[10:02] <cub> so instead of reinstallation the pc with US which might break the support agreement with System76, we suggested to "just add" what you need
[10:03] <cub> but it would be good to specify what they actually need
[10:05] <zequence> This command will take care of everything: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio linux-lowlatency && sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[10:05] <zequence> That will get all the audio packages, and set the system up for low latency audio
[10:11] <cub> thanks!
[10:31] <cub> zequence: I'm starting an upgrade on amd64 now, going to let it run over lunch break
[10:48] <cub> zequence: when I did "update-manager -d -c" it didn't really do much. Said to restart to finish the updates but lsb_release still show 13.10
[10:49] <cub> running again seems to start the upgrading
[12:41] <zequence> cub: Yes, update-manager seems to want to make sure the system has the latest upgrades of packages, before being willing to upgrade to the next release
[12:45] <zequence> Fak, I downloaded the wrong arch
[12:48] <cub> half way through the amd64, takes a loooong time. Won't have time for the i386 today
[12:51] <zequence> I'm doing the i386. As soon as I get the right image
[13:30] <zequence> Having some problems getting the new ubuntustudio-live package uploaded, but getting a lot of help, so should be done within a couple of days, I hope
[13:45] <zequence> Had a wonderful crash, while I was installing on virtualbox
[13:58] <zequence> My computer is crapping out. How wonderful
[14:11] <cub> great timing. :P
[14:19] <holstein> i think a system76 rig would be a nice half of the equation
[14:19] <holstein> not sure what audio interface i would pair with that these days
[14:33] <cub> Open a terminal and enter the command grep Prompt=
[14:33] <cub> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:33] <cub> zequence: is the step 7 correct?
[14:33] <cub> hmm my paste went wrong but anyhow
[15:01] <cub> I figured it out but the test case have some typos
[15:18] <zequence_> cub: I don't think the test case is up to date
[15:18] <cub> nope
[15:18] <zequence_> cub: You can check which release it is by doing: cat /etc/issue
[15:18] <cub> I did a "more" and grep which showed me what was expected
[15:18] <zequence_> holstein: Yeah, they don't have firewire ports on those machines. Probably only a handful of usb devices one should even consider
[15:18] <cub> I tested some applications but since my macbook and Vbox doesn't work well with audio I really couldn't test that
[15:19] <zequence_> I don't think vbox will work well on any platform, in lower latencies
[15:19] <elfy> if there are issues with the testcases - report them as bugs - just make sure to note the testcase number
[15:19] <zequence_> One needs to set jack to a period of over 2000
[15:20] <cub> aha
[15:20] <cub> do we count my tests as passed anyway?
[15:28] <zequence_> cub: Sure. No problems at all?
[15:29] <cub> two bugs, but otherwise no issues
[15:29] <cub> same bugs as the "standard" installation so
[15:30] <zequence> aha
[15:30] <zequence> I usually get problems in user files
[15:30] <cub> oh?
[15:30] <cub> what kind?
[15:30] <zequence> Corrupted login window is one that I've had for a couple of releases
[15:30] <zequence> Nothing big, but not great
[15:30] <cub> the login window was ugly, but not broken
[15:31] <zequence> Ugly, how?
[15:31] <cub> Bigger and more white than in 13.10
[15:31] <cub> I thought it was supposed to look like that. :D
[15:32] <zequence> Maybe, I don't know
[15:32] <zequence> more white, how?
[15:32] <zequence> The theming?
[15:32] <cub> let's see if I can bring up a sceenshot
[15:32] <cub> it was the same on my beta tests a couple of days ago
[15:34] <cub> !paste
[15:36] <cub> http://imagebin.org/296143
[15:36] <cub> perhaps different because of mugshot?
[15:37] <zequence> It has seen some changes this cycle, so I think that's normal
[15:37] <zequence> Maybe it would be possible to change the coloring a bit
[15:37] <cub> probably
[15:37] <zequence> Not a major issue, IMO :)
[15:37] <cub> nope
[15:38] <cub> also depends on how madeinkobaia changes the overall look for trusty?
[15:38] <cub> if that's still on the table?
[15:38] <zequence> No, I think we should only expect a new wp at the most
[15:39] <zequence> I'm still possibly updating ubuntustudio-controls, which I haven't yet completed
[15:39] <zequence> And, need to see what else I can do with our installer
[15:39] <zequence> Once those two things are done, and before UI freeze, we need to update the slideshow
[15:39] <zequence> Lastly, our website
[15:40] <cub> yeah
[15:40] <zequence> One thing that bothers me this release is that we have yet not gone through our package selection
[15:40] <zequence> It's more or less untouched for years now
[15:40] <cub> yes I had high hopes after 13.10 release but then life happened
[15:40] <zequence> Well, at least on the audio, video and graphics side, where only minor changes have been made.  Seems to be included in the beta.
[15:42] <zequence> Yeah, I've only done the seeds. Need to update the meta. I'll have that done directly after the beta
[15:42] <cub> I'm starting a new job on Monday so quite busy this and the upcoming weeks
[15:43] <zequence> I'm doing php and mysql work in my internship. Feels like my mind is running out of drive space
[15:44] <zequence> I'm probably just being thoroughly inefficient, in how I manage to get so little done
[15:44] <cub> where's that?
[15:44] <zequence> zetup.se
[15:46] <cub> nice
[15:46] <cub> I'm going back to the world of Skanska.
[15:46] <cub> used to be server admin there 15- years ago
[15:46] <cub> and will do Service Management for the infrastructure department
[15:47] <cub> what about your plans for changes on the website that Nick started out with?
[15:48] <cub> anything we should get back on the table? I could take a look if possible
[15:52] <zequence> cub: Once we're done developing this release, if you have time, we can do that anytime. Around release time would of course be most suitable
[15:53] <zequence> Would be nice to make a few small changes for the theming
[15:53] <zequence> Also, we need to update the content. The feature tour especially
[15:53] <zequence> And think about what we could improve overall. I'd like make it easy as pie for people to get involved
[16:01] <cub> let me know if I can help out
[16:01] <cub> heading home to my poorly little daughter now
[20:18] <holstein> zequence: i have a nice texas instruments express card
[20:56] <zequence> holstein: Cool. I've heard it's hard to get those working right. I might get a system76 sometime, if I can get firewire working on it
[20:56] <zequence> Beta 1 out. Going to see if it's ok to make release postings
[21:33] <holstein> zequence: all i own is an HP netbook that i use the expree card with.. but i have tried it with at least 4 or 5 other devices, no troubles
[21:33] <holstein> maybe its something with certain laptop MB's


[04:56] <zul> hey pitti
[04:57] <pitti> Hi zul, how's it going
[04:57] <zul> good u?
[04:57] <pitti> fine, thanks
[04:59] <mdz> morning folks
[05:00] <mdz> am I the only one who is unable to login to the website, and therefore edit the wiki?
[05:00] <Keybuk> morning matt
[05:00] <pitti> mdz: I added an USN today, worked fine
[05:00] <Kamion> mdz: elmo fixed that earlier today, he said
[05:00] <mdz> ah, so he did
[05:00] <Kamion> it was broken for me this morning
[05:00] <mdz> thanks, elmo
[05:00] <sabdfl> hi all
[05:01] <sivang> hey sabdfl
[05:01] <amu> hey sabdfl
[05:01] <mdz> first, is there anyone here who is going through the maintainer process, and needs tech board approval?
[05:01] <mdz> I believe at least jbailey is in that position
[05:01] <zul> you have to be approved by the cc first correct?
[05:02] <Keybuk> there was at least one according to my sms from elmo
[05:02] <mdz> zul: not necessarily, accrording to the docs as they stand, but that seems to be the way it works out in practice
[05:02] <ajmitch> mdz: myself also, but I don't have CC approval yet
[05:02] <mdz> because CC needs to approve you as a member first
[05:02] <jbailey> mdz: Yes.
[05:03] <zul> hmmm...ill wait for the cc then ;)
[05:03] <mdz> if we have more time at the end, and a CC quorum, we'll see if we can take care of you guys as well
[05:03] <sabdfl> likely
[05:03] <sabdfl> let's tr to get it all done today
[05:04] <mdz> but for now...sabdfl, Keybuk on jbailey?
[05:04] <sabdfl> yes!
[05:04] <Keybuk> wouldn't trust him with a barge pole :o)
[05:04] <Keybuk> yes, of course :p
[05:04] <mdz> yes on my part as well
[05:05] <mdz> jbailey: congratulations!
[05:05] <mdz> I think "mail elmo" is the next step in the process
[05:05] <sabdfl> smurfs, snoopy's, we got it all
[05:05] <sabdfl> signed CoC
[05:05] <ajmitch> well that was easy for you, jbailey
[05:05] <mdz> signed CoC came with being a member
[05:05] <jbailey> ajmitch: It's true.  My wife's a dancer, she taught me.
[05:05] <ajmitch> congrats :)
[05:06] <sivang> jbailey: congrets
[05:06] <mdz> moving on with the agenda
[05:06] <mdz> who added this item about zinf?
[05:06] <mdz> I asked for more information in the wiki, but there was no followup
[05:07] <mdz> so I think it has been abandoned
[05:07] <ogra> jbailey: hey jbailey :)
[05:07] <mdz> the other seed change on the table is gs-esp
[05:07] <Keybuk> zinf would need to replace something (rhythmbox?) given its feature list
[05:07] <Keybuk> and I'm inclined to stick with rb as it's known good
[05:08] <Kamion> hasn't the gs-esp seed change already happened?
[05:08] <mdz> hmm, so it did.  no one seemed interested :-)
[05:08] <mdz> is germinate doing the right thing with it?
[05:08] <Kamion> defined as?
[05:08] <mdz> using it instead of gs
[05:08] <mdz> to satisfy all the or-ed dependencies
[05:08] <Kamion> that's what cdimage seems to be doing, at least
[05:09] <mdz> ok, let's follow up after the meeting to confirm
[05:09] <mdz> and then roll a new ubuntu-meta
[05:09] <sabdfl> esp?
[05:09] <mdz> that's the end of the agenda
[05:09] <mdz> any other business?
[05:09] <sabdfl> this is a record
[05:09] <sivang> hehe
[05:09] <pitti> sabdfl: psql 8?
[05:09] <ajmitch> that was awfully quick
[05:09] <Keybuk> was gonna say, this is the shortest TB meeting *ever&
[05:09] <fabbione> wow 9 minutes!
[05:09] <pitti> sabdfl: while we are at it?
[05:09] <mdz> sabdfl: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-January/003776.html
[05:09] <sabdfl> mdz: pitti has psql 8.0 packages...
[05:10] <Keybuk> and now pitti is going to say "language packs" and ruin it all <g>
[05:10] <ogra> erm, what about other maintainer candidates ?
[05:10] <pitti> although, that would spoil the record
[05:10] <pitti> Keybuk: "language packs"
[05:10] <mdz> psql 8 sounds like a massive UVF exception
[05:10] <pitti> so?
[05:10] <Kamion> esp => "Easy Software Products", the cupsys people I think
[05:10] <pitti> to be more clear
[05:10] <pitti> I'm _working_ on psql 8 packages
[05:10] <sabdfl> mdz: it would not replace 7.4.6
[05:10] <pitti> actually I'm working on a completely new architecture for all major postgresql versions
[05:10] <mdz> oh, ok then
[05:10] <pitti> so I don't have releasable packages ready by now
[05:10] <sabdfl> the idea would be to have it available
[05:11] <mdz> as long as pitti is happy supporting two versions
[05:11] <sabdfl> it requires some manual jiggery to move data from 7.4.6 to 8.0
[05:11] <mdz> sounds like postgresql
[05:11] <sabdfl> depending on how much progress pitti can make on the packages
[05:11] <pitti> if at all, this is something for universe only
[05:11] <mdz> oh, if it's for universe, then there's nothing to talk about
[05:11] <pitti> I'm working at them "after hours" (whatever that means) as fast as I can
[05:11] <sabdfl> i'm not sure about that!
[05:11] <pitti> but it will still take me a while
[05:11] <sabdfl> we know upstream is solid
[05:12] <sabdfl> so the only question is whether we are prepared to support pitti's packages
[05:12] <sabdfl> i vote that we take that decision closer to release
[05:12] <sabdfl> main / universe
[05:12] <pitti> agreed
[05:12] <ajmitch> that sounds like the situation with mono - 1.1.x is meant to be better than 1.0.x, but I don't know if someone is working on universe packages or not yet
[05:12] <pitti> right now I don't even have something for universe
[05:12] <mdz> on the same note, I think that the current SeedFreeze strategy doesn't fit the way that we actually work
[05:12] <mdz> and in practice, it's fine to make seed changes much later in the release process
[05:12] <ogra> mdz: what about other maintainer candidates ? crimsun and tseng already have proven to make good packages, they are both already members...and it would ease my MOTU work if the were allowed to upload
[05:13] <mdz> so for hoary+1 (I refuse to acknoweldege the True Name of the Beast), I think we ought to make adjustments to that part of the freeze process
[05:13] <lamont> mdz: SeedChill?
[05:13] <sivang> mdz: hehe
[05:13] <sabdfl> TNotB?
[05:13] <mdz> ogra: if we finish with all tech board business, and still have enough CC representatives, we'll do that
[05:13] <pitti> sabdfl: I try to get the packages ready as fast as I can; if I have something to show, we can discuss the hoary question again
[05:13] <ogra> great !
[05:14] <thom> lamont: seedslush
[05:14] <sabdfl> pitti: excellent, it would be wonderful
[05:15] <pitti> sabdfl: if some of your guys can help me with testing/fixing, that'd be great
[05:16] <sabdfl> pitti: publish the packages
[05:16] <pitti> ok
[05:17] <mdz> ok, so there's no decision to be taken on postgresql, right?
[05:17] <pitti> not a decision
[05:17] <pitti> more a general question about the feeling
[05:17] <pitti> whether we want/like it or not
[05:17] <pitti> and how much time I invest into this
[05:17] <pitti> right now, it's a free-time project
[05:17] <mdz> ok
[05:17] <doko> 8.0 requires all dependent packages to be rebuilt?
[05:18] <mdz> Kamion: are you available for CC business?
[05:18] <pitti> doko: yes, all client programs/libraries/etc.
[05:18] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[05:19] <mdz> thanks, elmo
[05:19] <sabdfl> hey elmo
[05:19] <sabdfl> cc buziness?
[05:19] <mdz> ogra: do you have a list of candidates?
[05:20] <ajmitch> the CC agenda has a few listed
[05:20] <ogra> curently i would suggest treenaks (who vant be here), crimsun and tseng
[05:20] <mdz> zul,ajmitch: ?
[05:20] <zul> im here
[05:20] <ogra> yup
[05:20] <ogra> sorry zul/ajmitch....missed you
[05:21] <ogra> oh, and if possible dholbach
[05:21] <Kamion> zul: are you Chuck Short?
[05:21] <ajmitch> that's ok
[05:21] <mdz> the CC agenda also has dholbach
[05:21] <zul> Kamion: yep
[05:21] <mdz> who doesn't seem to be online at the moment
[05:21] <ogra> mdz: unfortunately not...probably mvo knows more ?
[05:22] <sabdfl> ajmitch: are you interested in an selinux-enabled-by-default ubuntu derivative project?
[05:22] <ajmitch> sabdfl: yes, that's what I'm working on
[05:22] <sabdfl> ok
[05:22] <mdz> he is one of a group of folks in the Ubuntu community who are interested in that project
[05:22] <sabdfl> don't see it in the mainline for a few releases, but am interested in a derivative where it can get some banging-on
[05:22] <sabdfl> cool
[05:23] <sabdfl> one at a time
[05:23] <mdz> ajmitch seems to be first on the list
[05:24] <sabdfl> are we confirming member or uploader (universe)?
[05:24] <elmo> sorry, what are these candidates for?
[05:24] <mdz> MOTU
[05:24] <mdz> as far as I  know
[05:24] <elmo> ok
[05:24] <sabdfl> so can we agree that any two of TB / CC / MOTU is good enough for that?
[05:24] <sabdfl> MOTU or universe uploader?
[05:24] <Kamion> presumably ajmitch would need access to more than universe eventually, but I think it would be best to stick to universe initially and see how he goes with patches
[05:24] <mdz> ogra: (this would mean that you and chris together could approve new MOTU uploaders)
[05:25] <ogra> sabdfl: isnt that identical ?
[05:25] <mdz> sabdfl: MOTU == universe uploader, no?
[05:25] <Kamion> (due to selinux invariably needing to change stuff in base)
[05:25] <ajmitch> Kamion: yes, the packages that I'd need to touch for main would have to be reviewed
[05:25] <Kamion> I see MOTU as the universe team leader
[05:25] <sabdfl> it's what I thought we had, i'm just confirming, since there has been *cough* some confusion
[05:25] <Kamion> s
[05:25] <ogra> mdz: yeah, that would be great (if haggai agrees)
[05:25] <Kamion> but the terms seem to have been conflated since then
[05:25] <sabdfl> mdz: what kamion said
[05:25] <Kamion> due to, er, the "Master" bit
[05:26] <sabdfl> MOTU can approve new universe uploaders, as we discussed last time
[05:26] <mdz> ajmitch: you mention that you were working on the python2.4 transition in universe; who were you working with on that?
[05:26] <sabdfl> which i didn't document
[05:26] <ajmitch> mdz: I started rebuilding some packages with ogra
[05:26] <ogra> mdz: me...
[05:26] <Keybuk> what would "Slave Of The Universe" be though?  Monk?
[05:26] <mdz> I always sort of saw MOTU as the collective, but it's not terribly important
[05:26] <ogra> me too
[05:26] <sabdfl> also, MOTU would make decisions on new packages for universe (subject to elmo vetting)
[05:26] <ajmitch> however I haven't got very far yet
[05:27] <elmo> haggai and ogra can be MOTMOTU
[05:27] <ogra> lol
[05:27] <haggai> heh
[05:27] <sabdfl> well, that could get hectic since we said two MOTU could approve a new universe uploader, and I wouldn't want the group to be able to extend itself arbitrarily
[05:27] <mdz> sounds like an anime character
[05:27] <mdz> agreed, that privilege should be limited to the team leadership
[05:28] <sabdfl> lets stick to the earlier terminology:
[05:28] <sabdfl>  - MOTU - masters of the universe - team leaders in the universe component
[05:28] <sabdfl>   - they make freeze / version / NEW decisions for universe
[05:28] <sabdfl>  - two of them, for the moment, can approve a new uploader to universe
[05:28] <sabdfl> uploaders can be unrestricted, or limited to universe
[05:28] <elmo> have MOTU got a point of contact yet, or is it just ubuntu-devel@ ?
[05:29] <sabdfl> i tihnk the restriction is social
[05:29] <mdz> elmo: ubuntu-devel / ogra / haggai
[05:29] <sabdfl> MOTU, IIRC, are haggai and ogra
[05:29] <ogra> yup
[05:29] <haggai> aye
[05:29] <sabdfl> ok
[05:29] <sabdfl> i'd be happy with a few more MOTU
[05:29] <sabdfl> they need to be people that the existing MOTU like to work with, to get a good team
[05:29] <mdz> the CC agenda doesn't distinguish between member and maintainer candidates
[05:29] <elmo> sabdfl: err, unrestricted uploaders are maintainers surely?
[05:30] <sabdfl> elmo: yes
[05:30] <elmo> the restriction isn't social, then, it's technical
[05:30] <haggai> so the term is 'universe uploader' then?
[05:30] <elmo> and I thought we finially hashed out procedures for maintainers in the last CC ?
[05:30] <sabdfl> mako has a doc on the wiki, i'll review, update and move to the main site and call for comments
[05:30] <ogra> haggai UNUP ?
[05:30] <sabdfl> elmo: we did, i just didn't write it up
[05:30] <Kamion> ogra: no need to over-abbreviate :-)
[05:31] <ogra> heh...
[05:31] <Kamion> (abbreviations require expansion, and therefore documentation ...)
[05:31] <mdz> elmo: yes, we did, but sabdfl wasn't available at the time
[05:31] <sabdfl> elmo: excellent
[05:31] <sabdfl> oh, did i miss another discussion on it last week? was referring to the *previous* one
[05:31] <sabdfl> gosh this is shocking
[05:32] <sabdfl> ill review the log of the last cc meeting, and mako's writing, and post a final draft
[05:32] <sabdfl> ANYHOW
[05:32] <sabdfl> for now, let's run through the list
[05:32] <sabdfl> any two people can say aye to a universe uploader (TB / CC / MOTU)
[05:32] <sabdfl> let's go
[05:33] <sabdfl> ajmitch?
[05:33] <ajmitch> yes?
[05:33] <ajmitch> still awake..
[05:33] <Kamion> hang on, don't they need to be members first? => CC majority needed
[05:33] <sabdfl> who seconds ajmitch for uploading to universe?
[05:33] <sabdfl> Kamion: didnt we agree to accelerate the process for a while?
[05:34] <Kamion> mm, ok, I thought that was just bypassing TB approval not CC approval as well
[05:34] <elmo> zul: just say no to candy from strangers
[05:34] <Kamion> but if everybody disagrees with me then I'll go away
[05:34] <zul> elmo: heh
[05:35] <mako> Kamion: i think your position is sensible but that's not the way it was written AIUI
[05:35] <Kamion> alright
[05:35] <sabdfl> ok, let's take a decision now, cc only:
[05:35] <sabdfl>  yes or no
[05:36] <sabdfl>  should two of TB / MOTU / CC be able to approve a new uploader to universe, for a limited time until we have grown the universe team to a good size?
[05:37] <ogra> yes (wrt to "limited time")
[05:37] <azeem> so you don't need to be a Member first? Or you become a Member automatically?
[05:37] <sabdfl> mako? kamion? elmo?
[05:37] <mako> azeem: that as my question
[05:37] <mako> sabdfl: can we clarify what happens wrt membership first?
[05:38] <elmo> if it only takes two CC to become a member, I'm not sure there's a pressing need?
[05:38] <sabdfl>  it would imply membership, allowing us to grow quickly for a few weeks / months, rather than dance around over several weeks
[05:38] <elmo> given the impromtu approval stuff we discussed at last CC
[05:38] <Kamion> yes, so long as it's clear and actually documented that way
[05:38] <ogra> sabdfl: ...and discuss the process....
[05:38] <mako> so automatic membership also..
[05:38] <sabdfl> impromptu approval stuff? i missed that
[05:38] <mdz> that was last week's CC meeting
[05:38] <sabdfl> summary?
[05:39] <mdz> the question was whether CC members should be able to approve outside of CC meetings
[05:39] <mako> oh right, yes
[05:39] <sabdfl> ok
[05:39] <sabdfl> good idea
[05:39] <mdz> it was decided that they should, as long as it is properly recorded
[05:39] <sabdfl> ok, so that reduces the time lag
[05:39] <mdz> and, er, mako volunteered to do the record-keeping
[05:40] <sabdfl> -- you could get two MOTU and two CC and you;d be straight in?
[05:40] <elmo> as a universe uploader, yeah?
[05:40] <mako> right, as a universe uploader
[05:40] <ogra> yup
[05:41] <sabdfl> personally, for universe uploaders, i'd be happy for any two of haggai, ogra, elmo, Kamion, mdz, sabdfl, mako (and anyone else I missed from that list) to approve membership and universe upload ONLY
[05:41] <sabdfl> i would expect them only to approve someone they personally know can do a quality job
[05:41] <sabdfl> i would see it as a short term step to grow quickly and efficiently
[05:41] <mdz> ogra, haggai and elmo are in the best position to know, in general
[05:41] <mako> right, it ends post-hoary.. which is what is published
[05:41] <sabdfl> but i'm happy to be overruled here
[05:42] <Kamion> that's fine by me; apologies for derailing the discussion
[05:42] <mdz> mako: only published in the wiki so far, right?
[05:42] <sabdfl> so Kamion is +1, mako, elmo?
[05:42] <mako> mdz: in the wiki and in the meeting notes
[05:42] <mako> sabdfl: i thought agreed to this before :)
[05:42] <elmo> I'm gonna abstain, I really don't mind.  I think it's unnecessary, but I'm also not strongly opposed to it and I don't want to block it, if others want to do it
[05:42] <mdz> mako: let's get that onto the website as soon as it passes sabdfl-o-matic
[05:43] <sabdfl> mako: me too
[05:43] <sabdfl> ok, i vote for it as well
[05:43] <mako> mdz: i emailed sabdfl right after the meeting and was waiting for that blessing
[05:43] <sabdfl> so, until Hoary, you can become a member AND get universe upload given the blessing of ANY TWO of TB / CC / MOTU
[05:43] <mdz> sabdfl has sworn a mighty oath to process that email
[05:43] <sabdfl> phew
[05:44] <sabdfl> once again
[05:44] <sabdfl> ajmitch?
[05:44] <mdz> ogra,haggai: would like to hear from you guys
[05:44] <haggai> I'm afraid I haven't seen anything of ajmitch yet
[05:44] <sabdfl> i don't know the se-linux-lovin' guy
[05:45] <ogra> ajmitch, it think i would ike to review the latest changes on your packages, and if they are ok, i'd like to approve you directly...
[05:45] <mdz> ogra said that he had worked with him
[05:46] <ajmitch> ogra: alright
[05:46] <sabdfl> ajmitch: sounds like you need to work with the MOTU, when they are happy they can approve directly
[05:46] <haggai> sounds good
[05:46] <ogra> haggai if you want to review additionally ....
[05:46] <ogra> just say...
[05:46] <haggai> ogra: will do
[05:46] <sabdfl> brandon hale?
[05:46] <haggai> ogra: just CC me on your mails
[05:47] <mdz> brandon hale == tseng?
[05:47] <ogra> haggai: okay... (we made the most stuff on irc)
[05:47] <ogra> mdz: yup
[05:47] <mako> mdz: yeah
[05:47] <ajmitch> will I still need CC approval to be a member now?
[05:47] <ogra> mdz: ...rrrright aways from here
[05:47] <mako> ajmitch: apparently not :)
[05:47] <ogra> ajmitch: nope
[05:47] <Kamion> ajmitch: not if haggai and ogra are happy with your work; if you're interested in membership before then we can vote on that separately
[05:47] <ajmitch> ok :)
[05:47] <sabdfl> ajmitch: you could conceivably get that first, by being active and making a good contribution anywhere
[05:48] <mdz> pinged tseng and dholbach on -devel
[05:48] <ogra> mdz: tseng is here...
[05:48] <mdz> tseng: both CC and TB are present, so we're doing member/maintainer processing
[05:48] <tseng> ah, ok.
[05:48] <mdz> ogra: he is now :-)
[05:48] <dholbach> hai
[05:48] <Kamion> ajmitch: but I think it'd be as easy for you to just work with haggai/ogra
[05:48] <sabdfl> hey dholbach
[05:48] <mdz> dholbach: thanks
[05:48] <mdz> dholbach:  both CC and TB are present, so we're doing member/maintainer processing
[05:48] <dholbach> alright... thought it was due to feb, 8th
[05:49] <tseng> it was.
[05:49] <sivang> mdz: yes, tseng
[05:49] <sabdfl> for clarity - cc could still approve a member (not uploader) if someone has made a good contribution but not yet cracked uploading
[05:49] <sivang> tseng: :)
[05:49] <mdz> it was, but we're taking advantage of an opportunity to accelerate the process
[05:49] <sabdfl> ok, any two seconders for universe uploader and membership for tseng?
[05:49] <ogra> sabdfl: absolutely....
[05:49] <ajmitch> ogra: I'll grab sleep soon & get some packages for you in the next day or two
[05:49] <ogra> since i like tomboy ;)
[05:50] <haggai> was tseng's stuff on IRC too?
[05:50] <Keybuk> tseng++ from me
[05:50] <ogra> ajmitch: great :)
[05:50] <Kamion> that's two
[05:50] <haggai> ah nm
[05:50] <ajmitch> still working on gsf-sharp :)
[05:50] <ogra> haggai: tsen packages the mono apps since a long time
[05:51] <sabdfl> ok done
[05:51] <mako> i can't speak for technical issues but i've seen tseng contributing sicne nearly day one
[05:51] <sabdfl> tseng: congratulations!
[05:51] <sivang> tseng gets ++ from me, as a Memebr, for willingly showing the ways of cdbs for a pkging newbie :)
[05:51] <tseng> sabdfl: yay, thanks.
[05:51] <sivang> (as an Ubuntu Mmeber)
[05:51] <sabdfl> that's member, and uploader to universe
[05:51] <haggai> great
[05:52] <sabdfl> next, dholbach? any two?
[05:52] <ogra> yup
[05:52] <ogra> for the gtkmm love :)
[05:52] <sabdfl> anybody else?
[05:52] <mdz> anyone who becomes a member according to the fast-track process should still go back and sign the CoC, certainly.  is someone keeping track of who needs to do that?
[05:53] <sabdfl> i think elmo is checking for a signed coc before enabling upload
[05:53] <mdz> ok
[05:53] <sabdfl> but we also need to track it for non-uploading members
[05:53] <dholbach> i had a word with debian's *mm maintainer today and i'll work together with him
[05:53] <ogra> dholbach: could you send haggai some of your packaging work .... (coaster for example)
[05:54] <dholbach> ogra: of course
[05:54] <mdz> dholbach: is there anyone you've worked directly with in the Ubuntu community who could serve as a reference?
[05:54] <sabdfl> dholbach: looks like you need to work with one of the TB / CC / MOTU guys to get a second vote of confidence
[05:54] <haggai> ok, dholbach please send me some work and I'll approve once I've had a look
[05:54] <Kamion> I'm happy to look over coaster too if sent references
[05:54] <dholbach> haggai: deb-src http://ubuntu.stufenseite.de/Repo ./
[05:55] <Kamion> sabdfl: that approval can happen out-of-meeting, right?
[05:55] <haggai> yes it can, lets move on
[05:55] <ogra> Kamion: it requires the fixed gtkmm packages (sid or the ones dholbach built)
[05:55] <dholbach> mdz: i worked a bit on the wiki and advertised it on my universities unix group :-)
[05:55] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes
[05:56] <mdz> sounds like ogra and haggai can work with dholbach further
[05:56] <ogra> yup
[05:56] <dholbach> ogra, kamion: i'm coordinating with the new version required with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:56] <mdz> and continue the process that way
[05:56] <sabdfl> zul? any two seconds?
[05:56] <mdz> zul++
[05:56] <sabdfl> is that two?
[05:56] <sabdfl> ;-)
[05:56] <dholbach> :-)
[05:56] <mdz> that was 0->1
[05:57] <haggai> no it's object orientated zul :)
[05:57] <zul> bleah..
[05:57] <sabdfl> any second?
[05:57] <mdz> zul has been doing QA work in Bugzilla
[05:57] <fabbione> and kernel work
[05:57] <mako> zul's email/name?
[05:57] <ogra> i havent seen packags yet....
[05:57] <zul> Chuck<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:58] <zul> I been helping out with some kernel stuff as well
[05:58] <ogra> zul: did you already do some packaging ?
[05:58] <mdz> zul: do you have experience with Debian packaging?
[05:58] <mdz> er, Ubuntu packaging ;-)
[05:59] <zul> mdz: i created one or two for open-xchange and some personal packages
[05:59] <elmo> mdz.BrandingUpdate()
[05:59] <sabdfl> zul: looks like you need to get a few packages reviewed by one of the TB / CC / MOTU guys
[05:59] <zul> sabdfl: sure no problems
[05:59] <mdz> can we approve zul as a member at least?
[06:00] <mdz> and leave upload approval to MOTU?
[06:00] <Kamion> ack zul as member
[06:00] <sabdfl> done
[06:00] <sabdfl> zul: welcome!
[06:00] <sabdfl> ok
[06:00] <zul> thanks
[06:01] <sabdfl> any other business?
[06:01] <Jonathan_C> cheers all, thanks for all the good work you put into ubuntu
[06:01] <mdz> in fact we should probably have done the same with the others who were passed to MOTU for processing
[06:01] <sabdfl> sorry for all of the confusion regarding processes
[06:01] <Kamion> he looks fine to me as universe uploader on the basis of bugzilla work, but since mdz already mentioned that I'd really rather have a packaging-based ack
[06:01] <ogra> sabdfl crimsun, while we're at it ?
[06:01] <sabdfl> ill review mako's email and post a final draft, and email for comments
[06:01] <elmo> did we do treenaks?
[06:01] <elmo> or does he need to be here?
[06:01] <ogra> he cant :(
[06:01] <sabdfl> doesn't need to e here if he has seconds
[06:01] <ogra> i vote for him
[06:02] <ogra> he has already done debian work....
[06:02] <sabdfl> any votes for crimsun?
[06:02] <zul> dholbach: yay!
[06:02] <ogra> haggai ?
[06:02] <mdz> I thought we were considering Treenaks
[06:02] <zul> wohoo...lunch time
[06:02] <haggai> re crimsun, I had a couple of queries but I think he'll be ok for universe
[06:02] <ogra> absolutely...
[06:03] <sabdfl> haggai: would prefer a full-confidence vote, or abstention
[06:03] <sabdfl> take the time to be sure
[06:03] <sabdfl> ogra's sure :-)
[06:03] <haggai> ok I'd better abstain then until the next mail exchange is done
[06:03] <mako> sabdfl: sounds good.. look over the notes for the meeting too if you haven't.. we spent about an hour going over details as a group.. most of things there are there for a reason.. so for substantial changes, it's maybe worthing pinging one/many of us :)
[06:03] <sabdfl> mako: i will
[06:03] <mdz> is there another second for Treenaks?
[06:04] <ogra> now we lost trenaks again ?
[06:04] <ajmitch> haggai: do you want me to email you urls for some of my packages?
[06:04] <Kamion> Treenaks++
[06:04] <ogra> yay
[06:04] <haggai> ajmitch: yes please do
[06:04] <mdz> that's two (ogra and Kamion) for Treenaks/universe
[06:04] <sabdfl> who was the first for Treenaks?
[06:04] <sabdfl> i thought ogra was for crimsun
[06:04] <Keybuk> I'll certainly second Treenaks
[06:04] <mako> sabdfl: there are a couple little additions we agreed to at the meeting i wrote up in the summary but didn't do yet.. if you're not going to work on it right now, i can do a few of those
[06:04] <sabdfl> ok, welcome in absentia, Treenaks
[06:04] <ogra> sabdfl: for the record: Treenaks ++
[06:05] <sabdfl> mako: go for it, i need to drive home, will check it out then
[06:05] <sabdfl> ok, crimsun?
[06:05] <mako> sabdfl: ok cool
[06:06] <sabdfl> crimsun: what areas have you worked on, and what packaging experience can you point us at?
[06:06] <Kamion>  /whois crimsun --real-name
[06:06] <sabdfl> any of the TB / CC / MOTU guys worked with you or reviewed pacakges?
[06:06] <ogra> crimsun is audio/alsa specialist and i'd like to have him aboard for this ...
[06:06] <haggai> I have reviewed 1 package so far
[06:06] <sabdfl> audio  / alsa is definitely a place we need expertise
[06:06] <mdz> crimsun has been active in Bugzilla; I can certainly recommend him for membership
[06:07] <sabdfl> but it's also main... and low level
[06:07] <mdz> I have no information about packaging
[06:07] <ogra> sabdfl: we are still talking about universe, or not ?
[06:07] <Kamion> I thought I remembered approving crimsun for membership. Do we have a list of who's been approved for what somewhere, please?
[06:07] <sabdfl> ok, he's afk and has no seconds for uploading
[06:07] <mdz> Kamion: there's a member list in the wiki
[06:08] <ogra> Kamion: crimsun was approved as member already
[06:08] <sivang> Kamion: wiki/UbuntuMembers
[06:08] <sabdfl> ok, i think we are done
[06:08] <sabdfl> any other business?
[06:08] <Keybuk> one thing I'd like to bring up, while TB, elmo and sabdfl are here: @ubuntu.com e-mail addresses for MOTU/uploaders etc.  do we want to do that?
[06:08] <sabdfl> YES!
[06:08] <Kamion> mdz: crimsun was approved according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-01-25.html, but is not in that list; perhaps he hasn't yet signed CoC?
[06:08] <mdz> absolutely
[06:09] <Kamion> Keybuk: hell yeah
[06:09] <Keybuk> and what about members?
[06:09] <Kamion> I thought that was the whole point
[06:09] <mdz> yes
[06:09] <sabdfl> yes on members too
[06:09] <Keybuk> are we doing that, and I just missed it?  or hasn't it been put in place yet?
[06:09] <ogra> not yet
[06:09] <mdz> elmo: any admin issues with doing so?
[06:09] <sabdfl> the mail system works, not sure if we have a process to create the accounts
[06:10] <sivang> yay! u.c address for the changlogs :)
[06:10] <elmo> the userdir-ldap system isn't as well hooked up as I'd like but, basically n
[06:10] <haggai> what about people.u.c/~user ?  That would be useful
[06:10] <elmo> o
[06:10] <sabdfl> i've reservations about shell accounts
[06:11] <sabdfl> elmo?
[06:11] <haggai> even for maintainers?
[06:11] <elmo> me too, fairly strong ones
[06:11] <mdz> a member-writable WebDAV would be nice
[06:11] <mdz> as an alternative to shells
[06:11] <sabdfl> that sounds doable
[06:11] <Keybuk> yeah, dav would be cool; could thom wave some apache2 love for it easily?
[06:11] <mdz> that does require authentication somehow, though
[06:11] <sabdfl> what about rw sftp? elmo is that secure?
[06:12] <mdz> currently, members have no requirement to authenticate themselves
[06:12] <sabdfl> in the cracking sense, not the crypto sense
[06:12] <mdz> they don't even need to have a key
[06:12] <smurfix> sabdfl: should be if you set the shell to sftpd
[06:12] <Kamion> sftp is a subsystem, not a daemon
[06:12] <elmo> Kamion: command limiting to sftp works tho right?
[06:13] <Kamion> elmo: I'm not sure if that's possible
[06:13] <elmo> oh, it's possible, we do internally, I don't know how effective it is tho
[06:13] <sabdfl> i'm happy if elmo can find a way that satisfies him w.r.t. local security
[06:13] <Kamion> there's sftp-server which implements that, but it's not intended to be invoked directly (see its changelog)
[06:13] <smurfix> Kamion: that's hat I meant. :-/
[06:13] <mdz> doesn't sftp support chroot?
[06:13] <Kamion> er, man page
[06:13] <smurfix> what
[06:13] <sabdfl> also, on a suitable machine
[06:13] <Kamion> mdz: if openssh upstream accepted the chroot patch, I'd be happy with it; right now I'm not
[06:14] <sabdfl> Keybuk: thanks for bringing it up, v good point, glad to get the u.com emails rocking
[06:14] <sabdfl> elmo, your call as to whether / how to offer ~user
[06:14] <sabdfl> any other business?
[06:14] <Keybuk> I noticed a lack of it in catching up on changes, and thought "hey up, we should do that!"
[06:14] <elmo> sabdfl: is this forwarding only or imaps too?
[06:14] <mdz> forwarding only, I hope
[06:14] <sabdfl> elmo: your call, pref fwding only
[06:15] <elmo> ok
[06:15] <sivang> forwarding only should be enough I suppose
[06:15] <ogra> else, please make it selectable...
[06:15] <mdz> can we call this techmunity bouncil meeting to a close?
[06:15] <sabdfl> mjg59: howdy
[06:15] <sabdfl> any other business?
[06:15] <sabdfl> done
[06:15] <sabdfl> thanks all
[06:15] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[06:18] <sivang> just letting people here now, I just now completed my first upload -  a new g-s-t pkg :)
[06:18] <ajmitch> sivang: great :)
[06:18] <dholbach> sivang: GREAT! :-)
[06:18] <sabdfl> erm, isn't that main?
[06:19] <sivang> sabdfl: pitti is the sponser :-))
[06:19] <sabdfl> ah, ok :-)
[06:19] <seb128> (I've reviewed the changes too)
[06:19] <sivang> I should have said , "uploaded"
[06:19] <seb128> good work :)
[06:19] <sivang> with the double quotes
[06:19] <sabdfl> thanks seb128
[06:19] <pitti> I took some nitpicking, but now the package looks really good
[06:20] <mako> sivang: that's awesome :)
[06:20] <ogra> sivang: so its about time to become a MOTU ;)
[06:20] <sivang> sabdfl: you missed a beat there ha? ;-)
[06:20] <sabdfl> yup
[06:21] <sabdfl> "i've just uploaded linux-kernel..."
[06:21] <fabbione> eh?
[06:21] <pitti> who cares about _that_ one...
[06:21] <ogra> sabdfl: new universe package ?
[06:21] <sivang> sabdfl: hhehe
[06:21] <ogra> sabdfl: are you going for MOTU ?
[06:22] <dholbach> *giggle*
[06:22] <sabdfl> dholbach: yr'welcome, thanks for playing here
[06:22] <dholbach> sabdfl: its a pleasure :-)
[06:22] <sabdfl> fabbione: i thought you *liked* bk
[06:22] <sabdfl> cheers all
[06:22] <fabbione> i actually do :-)
[06:23] <ogra> mako: did you get your serbian sentence translated yesterday ?
[06:24] <dholbach> ogra: he did... it read something like "please send me a CD too" :-)
[06:24] <ajmitch> almost time for bed, the sun is just creeping over the horizon :)
[06:24] <ogra> dholbach: i know... i gave it to my serbian chef translator today....
[06:25] <dholbach> ogra: wow... how many people do they have employed?
[06:26] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, got a couple of packages polished up a bit :)
[06:26] <ogra> who ? ish ?
[06:26] <ogra> ajmitch: i'll look at them tonight...
[06:26] <dholbach> ogra: sounds like a lot really - even a "chief serbian translator" ;-)
[06:27] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, I have to upload them first
[06:27] <ajmitch> to somewhere with bandwidth
[06:27] <ogra> dholbach: we got 900 empl currently :(
[06:27] <ogra> ajmitch: ok
[06:30] <ajmitch> bbl
[06:30] <dholbach> seb128<EMAIL_ADDRESS>just waits for atk1.9 to hit debian, so he can gtkmm in there too, great news, hm? :-)
[06:33] <seb128> dholbach: I've uploaded atk 1.9 this morning
[06:33] <dholbach> seb128: rocking :-)
[06:38] <Treenaks> OK guys, cool :)

[06:39] <Treenaks> I really need to talk to my boss about this time thing again
[06:56] <mako> if anyone wants to take a look over the newly merged, fixedup page before sabdfl gets to it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewMembersMaintainersDraft
[07:00] <Treenaks> 8)
[07:11] <smurfix> mako: - fix the WikiLinks in the last section
[07:11] <smurfix> mako: - point to a list of maintainers
[07:18] <mako> smurfix: ah, ok
[07:18] <mako> smurfix: thanks
[11:05] <dholbach> good night everyone


[00:42] <chrs-> is the crash reporter supposed to work on 14.10?
[00:44] <chrs-> oh nevermind, i see the problem
[00:44] <chrs-> i'm not fully up to date
[11:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:22] <mate-Muuu> Hi everyone iI am on ubuntu MATE 14.10. when i run sopcast-player i get this:
[11:22] <mate-Muuu> (sopcast-player.py:5065): libglade-WARNING **: unknown attribute `swapped' for <signal>.
[11:22] <mate-Muuu> (sopcast-player.py:5065): libglade-WARNING **: unknown property `ubuntu_local' for class `GtkMenu'
[11:22] <mate-Muuu> Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked
[11:22] <mate-Muuu> Aborted (core dumped)
[11:23] <mate-Muuu> any idea on what to do?
[11:29] <brainwash> mate-Muuu: how did you install the sopcast-player?
[11:30] <mate-Muuu> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lyc256/sopcast-player-ppa
[11:30] <mate-Muuu>  , edited it and change to saucy, no trosry error 403
[11:30] <mate-Muuu> trusty
[11:32] <brainwash> mate-Muuu: you should contact the package maintainer then
[11:32] <mate-Muuu> the ppa one?
[11:32] <mate-Muuu> ok
[11:32] <brainwash> yes
[11:33] <brainwash> and maybe the actual developer of sopcast-player
[11:33] <mate-Muuu> ok i'll send them email,
[11:33] <brainwash> https://code.google.com/p/sopcast-player/
[11:33] <brainwash> great :)
[11:53] <mate-Muuu> done
[11:55] <thomaschaaf> Hello I installed utopic on a trusty vm and now that vm wont boot up anymore: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5910/Jing/2014-08-25_1348.png the vm is based on xen 4.1 (debian)
[11:55] <thomaschaaf> anything I could do to debug?