[00:36] <littleTurtle> Hi, I have a question regarding the use of libraries in the Ubuntu App Showdown, as described in this question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151804/can-i-package-and-include-in-the-ppa-the-required-libraries/151808
[00:36] <littleTurtle> As xubuntix points out, the Novelty clause permits only "exclusively original code". Can libraries be used then?
[06:34] <dpm> morning
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[08:34] <Razorbladic> Hi guys, does someone is interested in creating or managing an astrology app project or something like this?
[08:34] <Roj> hi how i can creat unity lens?and develp it?
[08:35] <Roj> i need information a bout dev lens
[08:44] <dpm> hi Roj, check this out: http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/unity/creating-a-wikipedia-unity-lens/
[08:45] <dpm> Razorbladic, I'm sure they will be someone interested. Would you mind posting it as an App Idea on http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppShowdown ? Thanks!
[08:47] <Razorbladic> dpm, i tried to post it but i didn't get the clue how to make it?
[08:48] <dpm> Razorbladic, you'll first need a reddit account. Once you've created it, you can use the button to submit on the right-hand side panel, or you can use this direct link: http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppShowdown/submit
[08:49] <dpm> once you're about to submit, simply choose the 'Text' tab and add a title and a description for your idea
[08:49] <dpm> just remember to prepend your idea with 'App Idea:'
[08:52] <Roj> can add gtk or qt widget (buttom,textbox,lable,etc) to lens?
[08:52] <Razorbladic> dpm, thanks a lot for helping me, now i'm managing to post it :)
[08:52] <dpm> Razorbladic, excellent!
[08:53] <BigWhale> dpm, yeah, icons are not a problem, I just wanted to know how the toolbar was implemented, before I could agree to work on something similar for Kazam.
[08:53] <davidcalle> Roj, no, only what you alread see in lenses : categories, filters
[08:53] <davidcalle> already*
[08:54] <dpm> BigWhale, ok, gotcha. Yeah, in that case, I think you can easily use the CSS styling api directly as suggested in the askubuntu answer
[09:01] <Razorbladic> dpm, here i go: http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/v9p31/app_idea_vedic_astrology_app_for_ubuntu_users/
[09:03] <dpm> Thanks Razorbladic!
[09:09] <Razorbladic> dpm, thanks u 2 :)))
[09:12] <AlanBell> all yours dpm
[09:12] <dpm> excellent, thanks AlanBell :)
[09:59] <BigWhale> It seems that labels under the toolbar icons are disabled by default and there is no way to turn them on?
[09:59] <BigWhale> if one uses Gtk.ToolButton
[10:15] <dpm> oh, hadn't noticed that, I use the 'important' property for my labels, which show the text next to the icon
[10:16] <dpm> sorry, I meant for my Gtk.ToolButton, not *labels
[10:16]  * dpm tries using text under buttons
[10:17] <BigWhale> hm, how do I apply custom style to widgets?
[10:21] <dpm> BigWhale, setting text under icons on a toolbar works for my app, just setting the property
[10:21] <dpm> on the Gtk.Toolbar
[10:23] <BigWhale> I have this
[10:23] <BigWhale>         self.toolbar_main.set_style(Gtk.ToolbarStyle.BOTH)
[10:23] <BigWhale>         self.btn_cast = Gtk.ToolButton(stock_id=Gtk.STOCK_MEDIA_RECORD, label="Screencast")
[10:23] <BigWhale>         self.btn_shot = Gtk.ToolButton(stock_id=Gtk.STOCK_ZOOM_IN,label="Screenshot")
[10:25] <BigWhale> dpm, do you have the source in launchpad? I can just look how it's done.
[10:26] <dpm> BigWhale, hm, looks ok to me at a first glance. The source is at http://launchpad.net/qreator, but it won't help you much, as I'm using Glade
[10:27] <BigWhale> I'm using glade too ... In the end I'll probably have to create custom buttons, so I'm not gonna worry too much about this now. :)
[10:29] <dpm> yeah, in that case, I only right-clicked on the toolbar widget on Glade, chose Edit.. and then chose the 'Text under icons' option under 'Toolbar style'
[10:31] <JanC> BigWhale: do you have the "important" property set?
[10:31] <BigWhale> JanC, no.
[10:31] <BigWhale> or at least, I don't think so. :)
[10:32] <JanC> you need that to see the text on the button
[10:32] <BigWhale> I see.
[10:32] <BigWhale> Hm, how do I do that? In python?
[10:32] <JanC> in glade
[10:33] <JanC> think about it like this: unimportant buttons show no text, so that they take less space
[10:35] <BigWhale> Ah, Gtk.ToolItem.set_is_important()
[10:35] <BigWhale> lets see if this works
[10:40] <BigWhale> I'm doing something wrong :/
[10:41] <BigWhale> I have to run now. Later.
[20:02] <titeuf_87> Previous versions of Quickly used Desktop Couch to store data. Is there a new recommended way to store data now?
[20:37] <ajmitch> achuni: is "submit to myapps" on an ARB submission the right way to bounce a package over to the commercial queue?
[20:37] <achuni> ajmitch: yep
[20:37] <achuni> ajmitch: possibly not the best of labels for that button
[20:37] <ajmitch> thanks, I think that's what I need to do with these PDF submissions :)
[20:38] <achuni> ajmitch: right, thanks :)
[23:15] <zurwolf> Is there a recommended db to work with Quickly? <http://askubuntu.com/questions/153306/is-there-a-recommended-db-to-work-with-quickly-on-ubuntu-12-04>


[02:27] <pmatulis> stokachu: ping?
[02:28] <pmatulis> stokachu: hey. with the openstack-installer, where does the juju bootstrap server end up? i can't find it anywhere :)
[02:56] <stokachu> pmatulis: single is in a container
[03:03] <pmatulis> stokachu: i looked at the containers that got built on the node that the installer grabbed. i don't see a ~/.juju anywhere
[03:07] <pmatulis> i want to be able to do 'juju ssh landscape-server/0'
[09:37] <eatingthenight> any way that i can mount a new drive to something like /. say / is currently a 8GB volume and I want to mount a 500GB volume on / without losing any data or having to reboot
[09:37] <bekks> You cant.
[09:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:39] <lordievader> eatingthenight: Do you use LVM?
[09:40] <eatingthenight> lordievader: let me check... just started at a new job and am really not liking how the ops guys have these servers setup
[09:40] <bekks> 11"not really liking" :D
[09:41] <lordievader> That is inevitable :P
[09:41] <bekks> Thats not a valuable argument for changing things in a production environment :)
[09:41] <bekks> On a server, 8GB / is most likely more than enough :)
[09:42] <lordievader> Agreed.
[09:43] <eatingthenight> i'm not going to argue with them it's just not how i have set them up in the past
[09:43] <bekks> Yes. And maybe your way of setting up servers doesnt match the requirements of your new job.
[09:44] <lordievader> Anyhow, to more or less answer your question. If you do not use lvm your idea is (likely) not going to work.
[09:44] <bekks> That is what I meant with "not really liking" is not a justification for anything else but a personal opinion.
[09:46] <eatingthenight> ok so instead of trying to do the above i'll give an example. I am using docker and when pulling down containers i'll eat up the 8GB provided for / fast. Would you instead partition another drive and make a storage volume and configure docker in the instance to use that storage volume?
[09:47] <lordievader> I'll just compare it to our lxc setup. Each lxc container has its own logical volume.
[09:48] <bekks> eatingthenight: I'm not using partitions for a decade now, I am using LVM.
[09:49] <bekks> And I am using setups not requiring insanely large / volumes.
[09:53] <eatingthenight> is it common to setup the root mount as 'none on / type tmpfs'
[09:54] <bekks> Depends on the setup.
[09:56] <eatingthenight> hmm guess i'm really not sure how mounting with a virtual filesystem all works
[09:56] <eatingthenight> i'll have to read up
[09:56] <disposable> eatingthenight: look up overlayfs and have a look here - http://askubuntu.com/questions/109413/how-do-i-use-overlayfs
[09:56] <bekks> eatingthenight: Maybe you should investigate the entire setup of your production servers before changing it.
[09:57] <eatingthenight> bekks: i mean i am i haven't changed everything yet. but we have virtual 0 docs on the setup
[09:57] <lordievader> Investigate why things are set up the way they are.
[09:57] <disposable> bekks: also, what bekks said. (i've personally never had more than 4GB for /)
[09:57] <eatingthenight> i read all the provided ones already
[12:34] <bekks> eatingthenight: Well, then you have to investigate how things are setup.
[12:35] <bekks> eatingthenight: Forget the docs of your admin, grab a ssh shell and start investigating things.
[15:31] <sexywoodenspoon> Afternoon all! Postfix question here- Looking for a way to log all email addresses that have received an email. At the moment I've got a small postfix server with forwarding set up (no mailboxes). Got a wildcard set up to forward all mail to one address for a domain and it'd be really cool if I could log those email addresses that receive an email to a file... if that's possible. Anyone got any id
[15:31] <sexywoodenspoon> eas?
[15:43] <mrbrdo> hey guys. I have a /64 block of IPv6s and want to bind all of them to my ubuntu server. I only found instructions on how to add specific IPs but not how to add the whole range. Since these are billions of IPs, is there a way to add the whole range instead of individual IPs? Could someone point me in the right direction?
[17:14] <JuanDaugherty> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+question/259165 anybody know how to deal with that?
[17:14] <JuanDaugherty> (aside from the obvious: build the module myself and adjust the config manually)
[17:22] <JuanDaugherty> wow it looks like there's nothing ubuntu for building apache modules
[17:22] <JuanDaugherty> just a branded apache-dev with nuthin to go with it
[17:32] <maxb> JuanDaugherty: I was curious, so I looked around. Looks like imagemap was demoted from the 'most' set to the 'never build unless explicitly requested' set during 2.3 development
[17:32] <JuanDaugherty> does ubuntu have anything specific to it for building apache modules?
[17:33] <JuanDaugherty> (ie. specific to ubuntu)
[17:34] <maxb> Seems unlikely, the Ubuntu packages aren't modified much compared to Debian
[17:34] <JuanDaugherty> what one expects is that apache2-dev would be coordinated with the apache usage in the distro
[17:34] <JuanDaugherty> acknowledged
[17:35] <maxb> I don't understand what you mean about 'coordinated'. There is an apache2-dev package and it contains apxs, so..... what?
[17:40] <JuanDaugherty> ok, it's been a few years since I build apache modules
[17:41] <JuanDaugherty> coordinated basically means documentation and fitting the thing within ubuntus offerings
[17:41] <JuanDaugherty> *ubuntu's
[17:42] <JuanDaugherty> *built
[17:44] <quantic> JuanDaugherty: the apache2-dev package contains the dev headers and apxs2 binary. Also has the debhelper stuff. What else are you expecting to be there?
[17:45] <JuanDaugherty> well I'm familiar with the apache build env
[17:46] <JuanDaugherty> if the concept of ubuntu coordination with the pkgs it redistributes is too much, peccavi
[17:46] <JuanDaugherty> and nvm
[17:47] <quantic> JuanDaugherty: The problem isn't necessarily the concept, it's how you're communicating it.
[17:47] <JuanDaugherty> ah, good
[17:47] <quantic> JuanDaugherty: But hey, if you want to be snarky instead of explain, that's your right, of course.
[17:48] <JuanDaugherty> well conceptual clarity is paramount
[17:48] <JuanDaugherty> clarity/cogency
[17:49] <maxb> I really have no idea what you are wanting right now, you seem to have veered off into a deeply abstract discussion
[17:50] <JuanDaugherty> no worries
[17:50] <quantic> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:52] <JuanDaugherty> but here's another way of putting it
[17:53] <JuanDaugherty> should I on the base of my knowledge of apache internals and by virtue of having installed the appropriate pkgs in synaptic
[17:53] <JuanDaugherty> be able to get the source for the module, move it into a file structure of the pkg(s) or find that it was included with one
[17:54] <JuanDaugherty> and then build and move the move the module to the working config on the same machine in a straightforward way?
[17:55] <JuanDaugherty> s/move the//
[17:55] <JuanDaugherty> alternatively
[17:55] <maxb> If you happened to be an expert in the use of apxs, you could probably manage it
[17:55] <maxb> Otherwise, probably not
[17:56] <JuanDaugherty> is there any documentation for the use of the apache2-dev module or for building apache modules which ubuntu isn't distributing?
[17:57] <JuanDaugherty> so as I say clarity and cogency of concepts is paramount
[17:57] <JuanDaugherty> the other is that emotional intelligence bullshit
[17:58] <maxb> You've gone back to abstract-meaningless land
[17:58] <JuanDaugherty> as part of my survey may I ask if you are a native speaker of English?
[17:58] <maxb> As for documentation, you're working with an area of complexity where you'd want to look at Apache httpd upstream documentation rather than Ubuntu/Debian stuff, I think
[17:59] <maxb> I am a native speaker of English
[17:59] <JuanDaugherty> or if you are in the right end of the political spectrum in whatever country you're from?
[18:00] <maxb> I am the kind who mostly ignores politics entirely
[18:00] <JuanDaugherty> you vote tory?
[18:01] <JuanDaugherty> or not at all?
[18:01]  * JuanDaugherty checks UK turnout rates.
[18:01] <JuanDaugherty> about same as here (US)
[18:02] <JuanDaugherty> so that's the crisis of democracy
[18:03] <JuanDaugherty> 65% turnout with the winner seldom getting more than 50% of that
[18:03] <JuanDaugherty> which would be OK if people were satisified and that's why they didn't bother to vote
[19:26] <MACscr> is it just me or do none of the current NFS server/client tutorials for Ubuntu have detailed iptables info? Most of the tutorials that i have found that include that info are for rhel/centos and obviously some of the settings paths are different where some of those ports are set
[20:38] <JuanDaugherty> ha looks like the same thing can be done with cgi
[22:10] <JuanDaugherty> and forgot about client side


[12:21] <jjfrv8> elfy, are you around?
[12:24] <elfy> sort of
[12:25] <elfy> jjfrv8: what's up?
[12:25] <jjfrv8> Quick question on the testcases.  I.E., will you be adding more testcases to the test tracker?
[12:26] <elfy> as far as I'm aware we've got everything - so I'll not be adding anything now
[12:26] <jjfrv8> Okay, I had assigned Alacarte to myself.  Can I drop it? :)
[12:27] <elfy> jjfrv8: only 2 left
[12:27] <elfy> you can if you need to - someone else will pick it up I expect :)
[12:28] <jjfrv8> Alrighty, that way I can focus on running instead of writing :)
[12:28] <elfy> cool :)
[17:55] <GridCube> Unit193, i tried the amd64 iso but grml would not find it after choosing it from the grub menu, retried using the i386 and it worked again
[17:56] <Unit193> Hrm, if you want me to I can test that method with one computer here later on.  ISO works though.
[17:56] <GridCube> well i dont have a pendrive though :(
[17:56] <GridCube> so i can't go that road
[17:58] <Unit193> I'd assume you did update-grub after sticking the ISO in the dir?
[18:45] <Unit193> Checking some of the referring links, several have bad information, and "The team is committed to updating..." Wut?  The bad information is recommending vbox testing.  Are news sites always this wrong? :P
[19:00] <skellat> Unit193: Who needs smacking around?
[19:00] <Unit193> Everyone? :D
[19:01] <skellat> Unit193: Which news sites, I mean
[19:02] <skellat> The script for Burning Circle 125 to be recorded tonight can't get any more emphatic that under no circumstances should any virtualization environment be used for testing the ISO.  I can't do much more to triple-underline it there.
[19:02] <Unit193> Some random unheard of ones, can pull a list if need be.
[19:04] <skellat> BC syndicates to Planet and, if I try very hard to stick exactly to the script, and I can ensure a transcript appears too
[19:06] <Unit193> Google translate not being the best, can't tell for sure if what http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lffl.org%2F2013%2F08%2Fxubuntu-disponibile-la-iso-con-il-nuovo.html seems to say is what it really does, but we're now going to have two xubuntu versions? ;)
[19:06]  * skellat is summoned by his recording engineer
[19:17]  * Unit193 wonders if he should tell pleia2 that you can't use the terminal that pops up on the live CD, guesses that'd be a bad idea, so doesn't.
[19:19]  * drc was wondering if anyone got that terminal to work.
[19:19] <Unit193> It's there only to show you the log. :P
[19:20] <Unit193> It made sense at the time™
[19:20] <pleia2> Unit193: you just exit the log
[19:21] <drc> Then maybe http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/ should be revised to indicate that?
[19:21] <pleia2> Unit193: no need to be passive aggressive about pointing out error, we're all on the same side here to make the instructions clear
[19:21] <drc> I know I didn't have any clue :(
[19:21] <Unit193> pleia2: Was I?
[19:22] <pleia2> Unit193: yes
[19:22] <Unit193> Hrm, not what I was going for...
[19:23] <pleia2> I don't know why you think it would be a bad idea to tell me I'm mistaken about something
[19:23] <pleia2> you can just tell me, no need to action it
[19:23] <Unit193> Lets try it again.  If you hit q, the log will close as will the terminal, thus you won't be able to check in that terminal.  Ah, that was kidding about me having to find words to edit the page with, heh.
[19:23] <pleia2> I could have sworn I just exited the log and typed the command there, but I am fallible
[19:24] <pleia2> see, I was mistaken, it's ok :)
[19:24] <pleia2> want to update the page and then reply on list?
[19:24] <Unit193> You could have, but I don't see how as the command is  xfce4-terminal -x less logfile  (which I just tested and seems to close.)
[19:24] <Unit193> Dowh...
[19:24] <pleia2> yes, I was mistaken
[19:25] <Unit193> (In theory, it's a different version in saucy, so technically it could be that you are not mistaken!)
[19:25] <pleia2> skellat: you sent a mail to the list with an unsubbed list, shall I let it through or do you want to resend with a subbed address?
[19:25] <pleia2> s/unsubbed list/unsubbed address
[19:26] <pleia2> (I don't mind letting it through, just don't know if you intend to use that address in public)
[19:26] <skellat> pleia2: You can let it through.  The address is shown on my LP profile which is why it went through on the LoCo list just fine even though I didn't look.
[19:26] <pleia2> okie
[19:26] <Unit193> I take it s/type/run/ won't suffice?
[19:27] <pleia2> Unit193: I'd do this...
[19:27] <pleia2> After booting the system, a terminal window with the unity-system-compositor log will display.
[19:27] <pleia2> ^^ one line
[19:27] <pleia2> then ...
[19:27] <pleia2> To confirm that you are running XMir, open a new terminal and type: ps ax | grep system-comp
[19:29] <Unit193> Done.
[19:29] <drc> and maybe give them some sort of clue what they should see if they are running xmir?
[19:29] <pleia2> er, another whitespace?
[19:29] <pleia2> drc: the 'ps ax | grep system-comp' is really the only indicator
[19:29] <Unit193> Didn't think it needed it, but I will comply.
[19:30] <pleia2> Unit193: we want to make clear that people don't think those two things are related
[19:30] <pleia2> thanks :)
[19:30] <drc> pleia2: no, I mean the output of the command.
[19:30] <pleia2> drc: ah
[19:30] <Unit193> drc: Broken screen, you're running mir. ;)
[19:30] <pleia2> I guess we assume people know how grep works, huh :)
[19:30] <drc> Again, I had to ask, 'cause I din't have a clue
[19:31] <Unit193> Yes, I like to presume people know what grep is.
[19:32] <Unit193> pgrep system-comp && echo "Yep, I'm running XMir."    :-----D
[19:32] <drc> I know how grep works, I wanted to know what <specifically> I should be looking for
[19:33] <pleia2> Unit193: could do
[19:34] <Unit193> How it is now follows the official guidelines for how to test if it's running.
[19:35] <Unit193> pleia2: Want me to change thatpart to something as well?  (Asking, because you're better with public announcements/text/wording.)
[19:36] <Unit193> So far, only pad entries are from people I've seen on IRC, not as many as I'd hope based on how many are downloading. :/
[19:38] <pleia2> Unit193: 1. sorry, which wording where? for the 'ps' command we could just say something like "a line containing "system-compostor-unity" (or whatever it's called) should show up"
[19:38] <pleia2> 2. I have to collect reports people gave directly on G+/fb :\
[19:38] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/1z3IKvd.png
[19:38] <GridCube> :3
[19:38] <Unit193> 1. Alrighty.  2. Awwh, dangit.  No fun for you. :/
[19:38] <pleia2> mostly it's more of the same though, slowness, backspace weirdness when typing, showing text typed in screen during shutdown
[19:39] <Unit193> GridCube: That's the stuff!
[19:39] <pleia2> if someone wants to browse Mir bug reports and see if any of that has been reported before, we can me too it :)
[19:39] <GridCube> :P i though i should screenshot it for the ml
[19:39] <pleia2> I have it on my list to do later, but my list is massive
[19:39] <pleia2> if bug reports don't exist, we can write some
[19:40] <pleia2> then send bug reports + email in reply to Mir the Mir thread on list that included Mir pepole
[19:40] <Unit193> pleia2: I looked at a few, there were some about being slow but I think I thought they were unrelated (twice as much thinking, more likely to be wrong.)
[19:40] <GridCube> Unit193, theres some reports in the g+ page
[19:40]  * pleia2 goes to make video of XMir problems
[19:41] <GridCube> some here http://ubuntu-discourse.org/t/help-test-mir-for-xubuntu/897
[19:42] <Unit193> 'To confirm that you are running XMir, open a new terminal and type ps ax | grep system-comp.  You should see several lines of output with "unity-system-compositor" in them.'
[19:42] <GridCube> i like that xmir its not failing as much as i was expecting it to
[19:42] <GridCube> Unit193, link the screenshot i pasted
[19:42] <elfy> pleia2: you know how to add someone to etherpad?
[19:42] <Unit193> GridCube: I looked at the FB and G+ pages a couple times, Facebook seemed to be more "Nooo! Don't do it!" and discourse had nothing. :P
[19:42] <GridCube> elfy, they should be part of the etherpad group in launchpad
[19:43] <elfy> big sigh
[19:43] <pleia2> i approved a bunch of people this morning
[19:43] <elfy> pleia2: you know how to get it so someone can post to etherpad
[19:43] <elfy> https://launchpad.net/~steve-horsley
[19:43] <elfy> can you do him please
[19:43] <elfy> thanks :)
[19:43] <GridCube> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[19:44] <pleia2> steve.horsley (steve-horsley) has been added as a member of this team.
[19:44] <elfy> GridCube: yea - but you can't add yourself to it afaik
[19:44] <elfy> thanks pleia2
[19:44] <GridCube> you can ask to join and pleia2 can accept ya
[19:44] <elfy> GridCube: not me :) it's someone else - and she did :)
[19:45] <Unit193> ...I should really stop editing the live page, but added more instruction.
[19:45] <elfy> especially if it's just one person saying they don't understand ...
[19:45] <GridCube> Unit193, nah you keep editing all you need
[19:46] <Unit193> elfy: That was my thought. :P
[19:46] <elfy> tbh I didn't read the mail properly
[19:46] <Unit193> elfy: I will comply with whatever Lyz says though, she's the marketting/PR/whatever it's called person.
[19:46] <elfy> :p
[19:47] <Unit193> marketing
[19:49] <Unit193> http://0bin.net/paste/ijCn5RT8ow-wShup#Oy4iS1Rh+oaSyOnVLyTm0V1H4DJCcWKjkU1Xvsb0AVw=  seen all as referrers, well except for the last 3, but Google and FB both have some weird method of referring anyway.
[19:49] <drc> Which method of replying is prefered, ML or Pad?  Which ever one is, should be listed first (hint: Pad requires a account)
[19:50] <Unit193> Pad is preferred, at least by me. :P
[19:52] <Unit193> pleia2: We good, all set?
[19:53] <pleia2> Unit193: yeah, thanks
[19:53] <Unit193> \o/
[19:54] <Unit193> GridCube: And yep, linked to your image.
[19:54] <pleia2> ml requires sign up too, which I guess is why everyone has been replying in the respective social media outlets instead ;)
[19:54] <Unit193> Oi, I'm stupid. >_<
[19:54] <GridCube> Unit193, noted
[19:54] <GridCube> that was the mean of it
[19:55] <Unit193> Hah, good timing. :D
[20:02] <GridCube> Unit193, i dont know who made this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4g31weG-SM
[20:04] <Unit193> http://myswiat.wordpress.com/2013/08/03/xmir-and-xubuntu-testy/
[20:05] <Unit193> But, hadn't seen the video.
[20:06] <skellat> Is that Polish?
[20:06] <elfy> yep
[20:06] <skellat> Or Bulgarian?
[20:06] <Unit193> Right, well she reminded me to check and see how well I can get a video of a monitor. :P
[20:06] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1198741
[20:07] <pleia2> if anyone wants to me too it
[20:07] <pleia2> doh
[20:07] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1198741
[20:07] <pleia2> that's the one I meant
[20:07] <pleia2> for some reason it's a dup of the first one I posted
[20:09] <elfy> I'd like to be able to get them a bug report for my fail - but I can't think of anyway to get that for them
[20:09] <elfy> there's probably a terminal somewhere ... http://imagebin.org/266445
[20:10] <pleia2> elfy: heh, we have a few people with that issue
[20:11] <elfy> oh - is there a bug for it?
[20:11] <elfy> pleia2: worked on this machine at least
[20:12] <pleia2> elfy: doesn't look like we've filed it yet, collecting screenshots of errors
[20:13] <elfy> ok - I'd report it but I can just imagine the pointlessness of just posting a screenshot :)
[20:13] <pleia2> elfy: I figure we'll post one bug report linking to a bunch of screenshots w/ system specs, can you add to etherpad?
[20:13] <elfy> I have :)
[20:13] <pleia2> \o/
[20:14] <Unit193> -mir is dead on weekends, nobody works at Canonical.
[20:14] <elfy> the cog will too I expect pleia2
[20:14] <elfy> that being steve horsley
[20:14] <elfy> Unit193: IS do if they have to :D
[20:14] <Unit193> Hah. :D
[20:15] <elfy> woohoo - we have a test result on the package tracker :D
[20:16]  * pleia2 goes to do some other things while testing video uploads
[20:22] <Unit193> One last thing I was thinking about, changing "Testing XMir on Xubuntu" to "Testing XMir 0.0.8 on Xubuntu", or is it something only I would think to add? :P
[20:22] <elfy> p[ossibly only you :)
[20:25] <Unit193> Cool, I'll go hide in a corner now.
[20:26] <elfy> :)
[20:27] <elfy> Unit193: I'll leave this machine on tonight - see if the torrents move
[20:29] <pleia2> jono wants to know if it would be helpful to have a meeting this week with some Mir engineers to iron out some things
[20:29] <pleia2> I won't be around after Wednesday, and I think most can be communicated via email
[20:32] <pleia2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfroweheIEU
[20:33] <elfy> sppoky fingers ... :p
[20:36] <elfy> pleia2: same as I had - didn't notice password when I logged out though
[20:36] <GridCube> pleia2, i think it would be great to have a meeting
[20:37] <pleia2> what package do we ubuntu-bug against?
[20:37]  * elfy agrees, not sure if I'll make it on Wed though - depending on time
[20:37] <elfy> pleia2: not at all sure
[20:37] <pleia2> I am not sure we actually can
[20:37] <elfy> meet or bug?
[20:38] <pleia2> bug
[20:38] <pleia2> but I want it to do all the upload logs magic
[20:38]  * elfy gets tinfoil out for his hat
[20:39] <Unit193> I think it's technically unity-system-compositor, but since "mir" is in the repos, I'd file on that. :P
[20:39] <pleia2> mir package isn't installed
[20:40] <Unit193> That's the source package name, binary is... libmirclient-sopmething and libmirserver-something, as well as a couple other libs.
[20:40] <pleia2> no, not in the repos for this either
[20:40] <pleia2> so should file against one of those libs?
[20:40] <pleia2> there's also the xserver-xmir package
[20:40] <pleia2> or somesuch
[20:41] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir
[20:41] <Unit193> Yeah, think same source package... I *think* system-compositor is the one, right?
[20:41] <pleia2> elfy: I don't want to file it manually, want it to do all the upload magic of all my system info
[20:42] <pleia2> Unit193: ok, I'll just do it under system compositor, then can fix it ;)
[20:42] <elfy> I'll boot it up if you want and see what ubuntu-bug finds if you want
[20:42] <Unit193> Apport may not let you, but worth a shot.
[20:42] <elfy> tired ... to many wants in that last sentence ...
[20:44] <pleia2> seems this won't work since none of these packages are officially in the repo
[20:44] <pleia2> guess I'll just file manually
[20:44] <skellat> pleia2: Jono wants to do a meeting?
[20:44] <pleia2> skellat: yes
[20:46] <skellat> E-mail would be better at this point.  We've got 18 days until our go/no-go decision point on XMir as of right now.  The best thing we could get from the Mir team would be a diff from Unit193's ISO of what a proper configuration for boot up would look like in their view.
[20:46] <elfy> typing's fun
[20:46] <elfy> and it's slow rechoing
[20:47] <Unit193> Do remember, the terminal with the log is actually a change I did, easily removed. (sudo rm /etc/xdg/autostart/mir-log.desktop or in the settings manager.)
[20:48] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1208242
[20:48] <ganglere> "Startup Disk Creator" is usb-creator-gtk, correct?
[20:50] <elfy> if anyone wants me to  try  ubuntu-buig pleasee type it here - this is a nightamare
[20:50] <elfy> and I'll copypasta
[20:51] <elfy> not mire though
[20:51] <GridCube> hahaha yes, typing in xmir is a pain
[20:52] <Unit193> ganglere: Yes.
[20:53] <Unit193> ganglere: Not recommended at this point, IIRC.
[20:53] <skellat> Unit193: I'm not really worried about that terminal job.  I'm worried about replication.  Why can't we get what was shown in those YouTube videos in months prior to faithfully replicate across different hardware profiles?  What hideous hacks will it take?
[20:54] <elfy> ok
[20:54] <elfy> no takers
[20:55] <ganglere> unit193, it's included as part of the daily milestone, but not prepackaged. i've filed a bug.
[20:55] <pleia2> putting together an email here: http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mir-email
[20:57] <elfy> don't set grub to default to last booted ...
[20:57] <elfy> what was that bug you posted pleia2 ?
[20:58] <pleia2> elfy: I posted a couple :)
[20:58] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1208242
[20:58] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1198741
[20:59] <elfy> the first one - thanks :) me too'd it
[21:01]  * pleia2 adds some more gfx card info from others who reported the same
[21:01] <elfy> but as I said yesterday - if I only have a 50% success rate at even booting the iso - I'm never going to +1 using it
[21:02] <pleia2> elfy: I'm still willing to be surprised in the coming weeks, I wouldn't say "never" so soon ;)
[21:02] <elfy> pleia2: you want me to add my card? or do you want to add it with the rest?
[21:02] <pleia2> elfy: go for it
[21:02] <elfy> pleia2: if it works it works
[21:03] <Unit193> I have a 117MB file I don't want to upload to a video hosting service, how would you like to view it? :P
[21:04] <Unit193> ...Very crappy video.
[21:05] <elfy> pleia2: posted
[21:05] <elfy> and I'm always willing to be surprised too
[21:06] <skellat> If it can be done successfully, great.
[21:06] <skellat> If not, then it is still okay.
[21:06] <skellat> That's why we have the go/no-go meeting.
[21:07] <elfy> pleia2: I'll do a bug with the screenshot I've got of the complete fail - then if you have other's from social stuff you could add them
[21:07] <pleia2> I need a simple video editor, suggestions? :)
[21:07] <pleia2> elfy: perfect, thank you
[21:07] <drc> pleia2:   pitivi?
[21:07] <pleia2> really just need to chop out a segment
[21:07] <pleia2> drc: thanks
[21:09] <Unit193> Heh, that's what I was thinking, but never used it.  Isn't OpenShot another one?
[21:09] <pleia2> doesn't seem to want to edit mp4 videos
[21:10] <pleia2> nm, I just don't know how to use it ;)
[21:10]  * pleia2 figures out
[21:10] <elfy> pleia2: you know that bug - that showed your password - should have marked it a security vulnerabilty :p
[21:11] <GridCube> !info ffmuliconverter
[21:11] <pleia2> elfy: it was, it was unsecurityified
[21:11] <GridCube> !info ffmulticonverter
[21:11] <GridCube> what
[21:12] <GridCube> https://sites.google.com/site/ffmulticonverter/
[21:13] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1208250
[21:13] <elfy> pleia2: there you are
[21:13] <pleia2> ty
[21:13] <pleia2> skellat: want to add your video to that bug? ^^
[21:15] <pleia2> lderan: your mir.jpg seems to have disappeared, can you upload it somewhere more permanent?
[21:16] <elfy> I noted those 2 bugs on the discourse thread for this xubuntu mir testing
[21:22] <elfy> pleia2: and the cog has posted to the new bug - good bunch forum staff :p
[21:25] <pleia2> the cog?
[21:25] <drc> small cog...big machine
[21:26] <Unit193> I had made a wiki of the etherpad for easy reading.. :P
[21:26] <pleia2> Unit193: where?
[21:26] <pleia2> I'm just copying+organizing over in the -email etherpad
[21:26] <elfy> pleia2: steve horsley - is the cog in my world :)
[21:27] <pleia2> elfy: ah, ok :)
[21:27] <Unit193> Just transferred part of the wiki, so if it's slightly broken... http://vanir.unit193.tk/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:mir and the video is uploaded. \o/
[21:27] <elfy> toz is another forum staff guy that uses xubuntu
[21:27] <Unit193> http://vanir.unit193.tk/mir/DSCF3866.AVI
[21:27] <lderan> pleia2, weird it should be there
[21:28] <skellat> pleia2: Feel free to add the video where necessary
[21:28] <elfy> I added Xubuntu to my bug pleia2 - maybe do the same?
[21:28] <elfy> nvm
[21:29] <elfy> I can do so
[21:29] <Unit193> Do I win on worst one yet? :P
[21:29] <lderan> pleia2, ah typo'ed the url
[21:29] <elfy> anyway - done for the day - piskie will watch over you all
[21:29] <elfy> night
[21:31] <skellat> Unit193: I'm still downloading your video
[21:35] <Unit193> lderan: Noooo!  IE10! :P
[21:35] <lderan> nooooo
[21:37] <skellat> Unit193: You win.  That looks like something a bad SNES cartridge might have produced back in the day.
[21:37] <Unit193> \o/
[21:37] <Unit193> Not really old hardware...
[21:38] <skellat> I think that AVI needs to be a bug attachment
[21:40] <Noskcaj> interesting bug that just turned up. bug 1208243
[21:41] <Unit193> I never got to see the desktop. :(
[21:43] <Unit193> "Antique hardware is not in use"  Mine is. :P
[21:44] <skellat> Noskcaj: That would be due to it not being seeded and included on the disc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5949026/
[21:46] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/TgycjehjLCtTEfwJZklH
[21:47] <skellat> We didn't ship it in 13.04 either
[21:56] <pleia2> lderan: ah, thanks!
[21:57] <lderan> its pretty premanent until i have a power cut :P
[21:58] <pleia2> lderan: hm, actually, it didn't load the installer?
[21:58] <pleia2> the installer doesn't use xmir, xmir is only started when you go to "try" afaik
[21:59] <pleia2> skellat: can you add your machine specs to the video? (something so that the bug report references back to your info)
[22:01] <skellat> pleia2: Another comment made but done
[22:06] <lderan> pleia2, i tried it with 13.04 and it loaded fine so thought it was something to do with the xmir
[22:13] <pleia2> ok, I'm about ready to send off the email at http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-mir-email
[22:25] <skellat> pleia2: I'm okay with it.
[22:29] <pleia2> sent!
[22:31] <lderan> \o/
[22:36] <knome> pleia2, thanks for the answer
[22:36] <pleia2> what answer?
[22:36] <knome> pleia2, email reply to jono
[22:37] <pleia2> oh, I sent one directly to him too
[22:37] <knome> oh, ok
[22:37] <knome> right, just got that. :)
[22:37] <pleia2> :)
[22:38] <knome> also, i'm going to be off from wed this week until pretty much next week
[22:38] <pleia2> I leave wednesday night
[22:38] <knome> the project? :)
[22:38] <pleia2> haha
[22:38] <pleia2> california :)
[22:39] <knome> oki
[22:39] <pleia2> going to a conference over the weekend
[22:39] <knome> aha, which one?
[22:39] <pleia2> so mostly gone thurs-sun
[22:39] <pleia2> the freenode one, fosscon.org
[22:39] <knome> aah
[22:39] <knome> anything interesting there (excluding you)?
[22:40] <pleia2> coolbhavi is flying in for a couple talks
[22:40] <knome> don't know the nick
[22:40] <pleia2> mostly I want to go becaus it's in philly and my friends are there :)
[22:41] <knome> (or person, i'm pretty sure)
[22:41] <knome> i have friends wedding on sun!
[22:42] <skellat> pleia2: Well, at least you'll be passing Ashtabula...and Erie, Clarion, Harrisburg, Indiana, Kutztown, Lancaster, and a whole lotta other places
[22:42] <pleia2> :)
[22:43] <pleia2> ok, need to take a break from xubu-things
[22:44] <lderan> hope you have fun :D
[22:44] <knome> isn't lancaster in the brits? :P
[22:44] <lderan> think so
[22:44] <skellat> knome: Ohio has one and so does Pennsylvania
[22:44] <knome> pleia2, enjoy your well-earned break!
[22:45] <skellat> The Pennsylvania one is near Philadelphia
[22:45] <skellat> (Relatively speaking)
[22:46] <knome> relatively speaking, we almost sit next to each other (comparing to pluto)
[22:47] <lderan> poor pluto :(
[22:47] <Unit193> Still is in my book, and think they reinstated it.
[22:49] <drc> nope...still a dwarf-planet/ plutoid
[22:52] <skellat> It is like when Ashtabula gets lumped in as part of "Greater Cleveland".  We're only 60 miles away from the outer suburbs of Cleveland but, hey, what do I know...
[22:54] <knome> by those standards, i live in the helsinki city centre!
[22:54] <knome> by most standards, i do live quite near anyway!
[22:55] <skellat> US Census Bureau officially **does not** include Ashtabula as part of the Cleveland metro area.  We're considered a "micropolitan" area for statistical purposes.
[22:56] <drc> metropolitan statistical area?
[22:56] <skellat> drc: Yep
[22:56] <drc> marketeers are so smart :(
[22:57] <knome> ok, i'm off
[22:57] <knome> see you later
[22:57] <lderan> me too
[22:57] <lderan> good night all
[22:57] <knome> nighty
[22:59] <drc> bed bugs and all that....


[05:19] <BigWhale> Good Morning ...
[19:38] <SuperMatt> hey guys, I'm trying the raring daily installer for today (my machine needed a reinstall for windows reasons), but it seems to hang on the second section (where you tell it you want to download updates during the install, etc)
[22:19] <robru> SuperMatt, yeah, the raring installer is typically not the greatest way to install the distro. Usually it's best to use the installer of the latest stable system (quantal right now) because it is much more stable. Then once you have quantal installed you can much more reliably upgrade it to raring in-place.


[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[18:53] <santa_> good evening everyone
[18:55] <santa_> RikMills: FYI I couldn't pay very much attention to kubuntu things in the last months, I'm trying to catch up now with things, I hope to start doing test rebuilds for kinetic soon
[18:55] <santa_> thanks for you work in the meantine
[18:55] <santa_> * meantime
[18:56] <RikMills> santa_: no problem. I assumed you had things going on
[18:57] <santa_> ok, so one thing I'm seeing is that seems about time to make a final KA 2.5 release
[18:57] <santa_> my idea is releasing what we have in master + make kinetic the default, if no critical problems found -> release as final 2.5
[18:58] <RikMills> sounds good
[19:02] <santa_> hmm, we no longer have the kubuntu_jammy_staging branches in git repos?
[19:02] <santa_> (not complaining, just curious)
[19:17] <RikMills> santa_: I don't recall removing them
[19:19] <santa_> RikMills: just try "git-clone-all -s attica -b kubuntu_jammy_staging" in a temp dir
[19:19] <santa_> something weird happened aparently
[19:20] <santa_> for me it complains it can't find the kubuntuç_jammy_staging branch in the remote repo
[19:20] <santa_> * kubuntu_jammy_staging
[19:21] <RikMills> seems there for geat/apps
[19:21] <RikMills> *gear
[19:30] <santa_> but you can confirm they are not there for fw/plasma?
[19:43] <RikMills> santa_: only check 1 repo of each, but seems the case
[19:44] <RikMills> santa_: fw 5.95 is released, so uploading that to kinetic
[19:44] <santa_> ok, not a big tragedy the lack of jammy_staging, now you know they are not there in case you need to re-create them
[19:45] <RikMills> fair enough. I may well for plasma as will have point release to do before 22.04.1
[19:46] <RikMills> pushing git for 5.95
[19:48] <RikMills> I have plasma 5.25.0 done for tuesday
[19:49] <RikMills> s/done/packaged
[19:49] <RikMills> but rebuild against 5.95 is needed to land as kinetic packages are still ppa suffixed
[20:44] <santa_> RikMills: kdev-python is apparently out of sync in git
[20:47] <RikMills> santa_: that was broken building with python 3.10 so got excluded. if fixed, then please update sync the packaging
[20:49] <RikMills> well, it stuck in proposed as no, it was not fixed for 3.10
[20:49] <RikMills> as shows no sign of being fixed
[20:50] <RikMills> it was removed as part of the 3.10 transition, and has unfortunately synced again
[20:54] <santa_> RikMills: ack, I guess I will come back to that later, I guess to objective of tonight is starting with the fw kinetic archive build
[20:55] <santa_> RikMills: FYI KA 2.5-rc1 already in the dev-tools-testing PPA


[00:09] <oliver_g_> ok, I found a similar manual (different revision it seems) on the net, and it crashes evince as well; added to LP
[00:09] <oliver_g_> thanks for your help!
[02:38] <JanC> can somebody explain what's the use case for adding an entry for <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts ?
[02:39] <LaserJock> some apps use it?
[02:39] <JanC> its only purpose I could find seems to be to slow everything down considerably? ;)
[02:39] <JanC> what apps use it?
[02:39] <LaserJock> I'm not sure, but I've run across a couple
[02:40] <JanC> booting goes about 2x faster when I comment it out, and some apps start up 10x faster without it...
[02:40] <davef> its a loopback address that points to your own local computer. as mentioned, some apps rely on it. i would not recommend commenting it out
[02:41] <JanC> eh, I think that <IP_ADDRESS> is perfectly fine for that?
[02:41] <LaserJock> some apps use <IP_ADDRESS> for loopback
[02:42] <LaserJock> I don't know if those apps could be told to use <IP_ADDRESS> or if there's a reason to separate them
[02:43] <JanC> <IP_ADDRESS> has "hostname.local" after it, which causes delays because of DNS-SD timouts or something
[02:43] <Nafallo> localhost.localdomain
[02:43] <Nafallo> shouldn't conflict with hostname.local
[02:43] <JanC> no, it has hostname.local after it...
[02:44] <Nafallo> mine hasn't
[02:44] <JanC> so, that would be an installer bug?
[02:45] <Nafallo> <IP_ADDRESS>	localhost.localdomain	localhost
[02:45] <JanC> I'm talking about <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:45] <JanC> which is added to /etc/hosts by the installer
[02:45] <Nafallo> ah.
[02:46] <Nafallo> must have changed that on mine :-P
[02:46] <JanC> I could understand if there was a good reason for that, but i couldn't find one
[02:46] <LaserJock> mine just has the name of my computer
[02:46] <Nafallo> I have no domains ;-)
[02:46] <JanC> Nafallo: I commented it out too  ;)
[02:47] <Nafallo> I don't think I've touched it.
[02:49] <JanC> hm, could this be Avahi- or DHCP-related?
[02:49] <minghua> In Debian, new installs now have two 127.x.x.x IPs in /etc/hosts.
[02:49] <JanC> minghua: yes, that's what I see too
[02:50] <minghua> one is <IP_ADDRESS>, mapping to your hostname (and FQDN if you have one).
[02:50] <minghua> one is <IP_ADDRESS>, mapping to localhost.
[02:50] <Nafallo> ehrm
[02:50] <Nafallo> we have the reverse
[02:50] <JanC> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost hostname
[02:50] <minghua> It may be the same in Ubuntu.
[02:50] <JanC> #<IP_ADDRESS> hostname.local
[02:50] <Nafallo> AFAIK
[02:50] <JanC> taht's what I have now
[02:50] <JanC> the "#" was added by me  ;)
[02:51] <LaserJock> I have:
[02:51] <LaserJock> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[02:51] <LaserJock> <IP_ADDRESS> photon
[02:51] <minghua> Nafallo: Maybe it's the reverse, I am not sure on that.
[02:51] <Nafallo> minghua: I can't figure a reason we would change it, and for Debian for doing wrong :-)
[02:52] <minghua> JanC: Your slow boot/start time problem is apparently your own.  I don't think .local is a valid domain name.
[02:52] <davef> if you read the info in 'man hosts', it sounds like /etc/hosts is not widely relied on anymore. but is still needed in certain cases
[02:53] <JanC> minghua: I didn't put it there  ;)
[02:53] <minghua> Nafallo: I don't think we changed it either, but I only know the Debian part of the story, and this is an Ubuntu channel, so better be safe. :-)
[02:53] <minghua> JanC: Your answer in the installation process put it there, I suppose.
[02:53] <Nafallo> minghua: <IP_ADDRESS> is localhost, has always been etc.. :-)
[02:53] <JanC> minghua: Ubutnu doesn't ask such things  ;)
[02:53] <minghua> I'm not familiar with the ubiquity installer to be sure, though.
[02:54] <JanC> and .local is the default extension for DNS-SD (aka Avahi / bonjour /etc.)
[02:54] <Nafallo> minghua: in 50 to 70 years we might have only ::1 though ;-)
[02:54] <minghua> Nafallo: I'll be dead by then, so I don't care. :-)
[02:54] <Nafallo> I won't :-)
[02:56] <JanC> Nafallo: only 1 (consumer) ISP in Belgium offers IPv6 tunnels (and they are mostly business oriented anyway), all others think IPv6 is something for the next century or something  :-/
[02:57] <Nafallo> JanC: tunnels? what about proper IPv6 then?
[02:57] <JanC> one problem is that a lot of ISP-size router equipment doesn't support IPv6 correctly, if I understand correctly
[02:58] <Nafallo> also, isn't the educational sector running on IPv6 already?
[02:58] <JanC> e.g. Motorola (headend) & Cisco stuff
[02:58] <JanC> yeah, Belnet has IPv6
[02:58] <JanC> but consumers can't use that  :P
[02:58] <Nafallo> that depends on who they know ;-)
[02:59] <JanC> Belnet has an IPv6 tunnel "entrance"
[02:59] <JanC> that you can use for free AFAIK
[02:59] <Nafallo> SixXS?
[03:00] <JanC> yeah, I think they work with SixXS
[03:01] <Nafallo> my main transit provider is also a SixXS PoP ;-)
[03:01] <JanC> http://www.sixxs.net/pops/belnet/
[03:01] <Nafallo> goscomb :-)
[03:02] <ion_> I currently use SixXS, but my ISP is going to offer free native IPv6 soon. \o/
[03:02] <Nafallo> ion_: hehe. I will take a BGP-session with v6 ;-)
[03:03] <JanC> I should try to set up an IPv6 tunnel one day, but I think it's quite a lot of work for something that should just work  ;)
[03:04] <JanC> and I would have to buy a new router too
[03:04] <Nafallo> it's not a lot of work.
[03:04] <Nafallo> it's dead easy.
[03:04] <JanC> last time I checked (some years ago) you had to go through RIPE etc.?
[03:05] <Nafallo> the registration process has nothing to do with setting it up, and RIPE isn't the case anymore anyway.
[03:05] <JanC> ah?
[03:05] <bigon> JanC: I use easynet pop for years and it works great :)
[03:05] <JanC> well, registration *has* to do with IMO  :P
[03:06] <Nafallo> JanC: SixXS has there own registry.
[03:06] <JanC> hm, I'll look again then  ツ
[03:06] <Nafallo> I rather peer and have my own /48 to announce anyway :-)
[03:06] <ion_> tsu
[03:07] <JanC> hm, their FAQ still mentions RIPE etc. ?
[03:07] <Nafallo> what does it say about it?
[03:08] <bigon> JanC: you can use a ripe account
[03:08] <bigon> too
[03:08] <bigon> but as said they have their own registry
[03:08] <JanC> bigon: right, but I don't have one  ;)
[03:08] <Nafallo> and they sync the ripe into that one ;-)
[03:08] <bigon> https://noc.sixxs.net/faq/account/?faq=10steps
[03:08] <JanC> the FAQ points to a form on ripe.net
[03:09] <bigon> https://noc.sixxs.net/signup/create/
[03:09] <JanC> so it's probably outdated  :P
[03:09] <bigon> JanC: enter real informations because they verify them
[03:09] <JanC> bigon: that's no issue for me
[03:10] <JanC> I have real data on my domains to
[03:10] <JanC> (DNS.be also checks it now)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> geser: sylpheed given back
[05:04] <crimsun> Hobbsee: do you have any insight into the i386 build of Hardy's pulseaudio 0.9.8-1ubuntu2?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what about it?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i think parts of launchpad are lying to you, it appears to be pending build
[05:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: I can't seem to figure out anything about the i386 build.  All the other arches have built and are available in pool.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> wait
[05:26] <Hobbsee> launchpad is screwing up somewhere
[05:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: "launchpad is on crack'
[05:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: wait till monday, i guess
[05:27] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, thanks.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i can't cancel the build, etc
[05:28] <Hobbsee> maybe i can force it though
[05:28] <StevenK> "... bang!" Ooops
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nah, i can't even force it
[05:29] <Hobbsee> LP is reporting conflicting things
[05:30] <StevenK> So will require a wizard to make sense of it?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> it'll require a cprov to fix it, yes
[05:30] <Hobbsee> i'd guessed queue-builder or something has fallen over, partway thru.  *shrug*
[06:34] <choudesh> Anyone having issues with sun-java6-plugin in hardy? (icedtea-java7-plugin doesn't work either)
[08:02] <MuNzE_> where can I find xorg.conf ...in hardy?
[08:02] <MuNzE_> lol
[08:02] <persia> MuNzE_: It's gone.
[08:03] <MuNzE_> i try to find but nothing
[08:03] <MuNzE_> /etc/X11 ...??
[08:06] <bryce> MuNzE_: if you miss it, you can just run sudo dexconf to generate it
[08:06] <bryce> MuNzE_: ideally you should no longer need it though
[08:06] <MuNzE_> bryce, i need for compiz
[08:15] <pwnguin> when did xorg.conf die? i missed this
[08:16] <MuNzE_> lol
[08:17] <persia> pwnguin: New in hardy.
[08:17] <pwnguin> as of?
[08:18] <slangasek> as of the first X upload to hardy
[08:19] <persia> pwnguin: 1:7.3+4ubuntu1
[08:19] <ion_> I only have an InputDevice section for my keyboard (so that i can set Xkb* options) and a Device section for my GPU (so that i can use the proprietary :-( nvidia driver). Everything else is handled automatically by xorg.
[08:22] <pwnguin> well
[08:22] <pwnguin> im sure my tablet still needs a section
[10:28]  * Hobbsee waves
[10:39] <mdke> hi Hobbsee
[10:39] <Hobbsee> heya mdke!  how's it going?
[10:39] <mdke> Hobbsee: ok thanks. Busy. What's all this about you using Ubuntu?
[10:39] <mdke> the rumours are everywhere
[10:40] <Hobbsee> mdke: i'm afraid that the rumours are true.
[10:40] <Hobbsee> although compiz and my video card are not in love, for hardy.
[10:40] <mdke> extraordinary
[10:40] <mdke> permanent move?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> so far
[10:40] <Hobbsee> mdke: i didn't know it was that slow a news day :P
[10:40] <StevenK> Just wait, she'll start bad-mouthing KDE, and then we'll know we have her...
[10:41] <mdke> heh
[10:41] <mdke> welcome to the light
[10:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: like i'd be stupid enough to comment on things that i don't like about KDE, or kubuntu for that matter, in a public, logged channel :)
[10:41] <StevenK> Heh
[10:42]  * Hobbsee just wishes hardy would stop freezing, and behave.
[10:43] <mdke> at least you can run a free operating system. I've been stuck on windows for several weeks now
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ew
[10:43] <mdke> makes it very hard to get anything done
[10:43] <Hobbsee> i'll bet.
[11:08] <mdke> Hobbsee, slangasek - could you have a look at bug 174886, it's not something ubuntu-doc can take care of, I think
[11:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174886 in ubuntu-docs "Hardy Alpha Release Notes have no links to daily builds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174886
[11:09] <Hobbsee> mdke: looks like that should be assigned to ubuntu-release
[11:09] <Hobbsee> mdke: and slangasek remember to do that each release
[11:09] <mdke> ok. is there a project for that?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> no
[11:09] <Hobbsee> u-r is a team
[11:09] <mdke> fine
[11:10] <Hobbsee> well, at least, i don't know of one :)
[11:10] <mdke> assigned :)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:03] <geser> Hobbsee: Hi, can you use build.py right now?
[13:05] <Hobbsee> geser: yes
[13:06] <geser> Hobbsee: please give-back: libmrss libp11 libpreludedb. Thanks.
[13:08] <StevenK> geser: It's buildd.py
[13:13] <Hobbsee> geser: all given back
[13:48] <LongPointyStick> er, how do i debug why my keyboard and mouse have lockedup?
[13:49] <LongPointyStick> as in, i can move the mouse, but it won't click, etc, and nothing on my keyboard appears to work
[13:49] <StevenK> If you force a VT switch does the keyboard work?
[13:49] <LongPointyStick> hwo do i force a VT switch?
[13:49] <StevenK> Run 'sudo chvt 1' in an ssh session
[13:49] <LongPointyStick> ahhh
[13:50] <LongPointyStick> StevenK: it goes black, and then gets sent back to the X session
[13:51] <LongPointyStick> you know, i wonder if this is related to the consolekit bug thing
[13:51] <LongPointyStick> sorry, policykit
[13:51] <StevenK> I wasn't expecting chvt 1 to send you right back to X
[13:53] <LongPointyStick> neither
[13:53] <LongPointyStick> but there is a bug about when you're logging in, where it won't let you get to a VT - it goes black, then sends you back to gdm.
[13:53] <StevenK> Sounds sinister
[13:54] <LongPointyStick> ah, bingo
[13:54] <LongPointyStick> after killing consolekit, chvt 1 works fine, and i have keyboard.
[13:54] <LongPointyStick> which then locks up again when i go back to X
[13:55] <StevenK> So X has gotten into some bad state
[13:56] <LongPointyStick> hrm, X will continually lock, even with consolekit killed.
[13:56] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: fix it!  :)
[13:57] <StevenK> I daresay your video card does hardware pointer which is why the mouse moves -- the graphics hardware is updating the mouse pointer and keeping track of it, but X isn't listening since the keyboard and mouse clicks aren't working
[13:57] <Amaranth> Does killing compiz help?
[13:57] <Amaranth> Either X has gotten stuck or compiz has
[13:57] <StevenK> Right
[13:58] <Amaranth> compiz usually gets stuck when a driver does something weird
[13:58] <StevenK> Amaranth: Hopefully my stuff about the hardware pointer isn't complete bollocks
[13:58] <LongPointyStick> oh yes, i was going to try that
[13:58] <Amaranth> StevenK: Sounds right
[13:58] <Amaranth> Although when compiz is the problem it's not actually the case, everything is still getting events and such you just can't see it
[13:58] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: then it manages to quit gdm, and drop me back at a console.
[13:59] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: what's weird is that with EXA, my screen is still refreshing.
[13:59] <Amaranth> gah i can't wait for gallium
[14:01] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: er, now killing compiz gets me back to a usable X window, yes.
[14:01] <StevenK> So compiz is busticated.
[14:01] <StevenK> What else is new?
[14:01]  * StevenK ducks
[14:01] <Amaranth> I suck with gdb but isn't it possible to attach to compiz and see what it is doing?
[14:01] <LongPointyStick> StevenK: heh
[14:01] <Amaranth> It's obviously not crashed so that would mean it's in an infinite loop somewhere
[14:01] <Amaranth> or stalled waiting for something
[14:01] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: this reproducable by hitting meta+e, then alt+space
[14:02] <Amaranth> oh that one
[14:02] <StevenK> Hah
[14:02] <Amaranth> I hate X11
[14:02] <LongPointyStick> yeah, that seems to be oen of the easiest ways to do it
[14:02] <Amaranth> the problem is the menu gets a screengrab
[14:02] <StevenK> meta+e and then alt-space opens two window menus for me
[14:02] <Amaranth> and keyboard grab
[14:03] <LongPointyStick> StevenK: yes, then click somewhere, and try to go back itno one of the desktops.
[14:03] <Amaranth> it's possible to escape from but not easy
[14:03] <StevenK> LongPointyStick: Works for me
[14:03] <LongPointyStick> StevenK: lucky you.
[14:03] <Amaranth> I manage to get it stuck about every other time I try
[14:03] <StevenK> I don't think I'll do that again
[14:03] <Amaranth> hehe
[14:04] <LongPointyStick> haha
[14:05] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: how do i start compiz, etc, on a separate display?
[14:05] <Amaranth> eh?
[14:05] <LongPointyStick> displays are always strange creatures to me :)
[14:05] <Amaranth> DISPLAY=:0 compiz &
[14:05] <LongPointyStick> surely if i'm running compiz thru gdb, i need to start it from the ssh'd machine?
[14:05] <LongPointyStick> ahhhh
[14:05] <Amaranth> i'm not saying to start compiz in gdb
[14:05] <Amaranth> i'm saying to attach to it when it gets stuck
[14:07] <StevenK> LongPointyStick: To do what Amaranth is asking, start compiz, get it stuck, find compiz's process id, run gdb and then run attach <pid>
[14:07] <Amaranth> or gdb -p <pid>
[14:07] <Amaranth> iirc
[14:07] <StevenK> That will stop compiz, so you need to run continue, but then how to see what it's doing, I'm stuck
[14:09] <LongPointyStick> hum.  attaching to it before it gets stuck just makes it freeze.
[14:09] <StevenK> Of course, you need to run continue at the gdb prompt
[14:09] <StevenK> gdb sends it a SIGSTOP, from memory
[14:10] <Amaranth> it's best to attach it when it sticks
[14:11] <LongPointyStick> so i continue, and it says Continuing, and it does nothing.
[14:11] <Amaranth> right, don't do that
[14:11] <Amaranth> attach to it after it gets stuck
[14:11] <Amaranth> then don't run continue
[14:11] <LongPointyStick> that was just after it got stuck
[14:11] <LongPointyStick> oh.
[14:11] <Amaranth> you should be able to run bt to see what it's just been doing
[14:13] <StevenK> Maybe the last function on the call stack is annoy_hobbsee_lots_and_lots()
[14:13] <LongPointyStick> haha
[14:13] <LongPointyStick> Amaranth: no debugging symbols.
[14:14] <Amaranth> does the automatic repo thingy have them yet?
[14:14] <Amaranth> this would be easier on gutsy :P
[14:14] <LongPointyStick> i have no idea
[14:15] <LongPointyStick> there appears to be no compiz debug package in the reops
[14:15] <Amaranth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[14:15] <Amaranth> it's a separate repo
[14:15] <Amaranth> debug packages are created automatically
[14:15] <persia> Hmm..  ddebs.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to have updated in the past 10 days
[14:15] <LongPointyStick> yeah, i thought so
[14:16] <Amaranth> ok then...
[14:16] <Amaranth> easier on gutsy :P
[14:16] <Amaranth> unless you feel like installing basically every X, GNOME, and KDE dev package and building compiz :)
[14:17] <LongPointyStick> well, i'll see if it crashes on gutsy then
[14:17] <Amaranth> it does
[14:17] <Amaranth> this particular bug has been around as long as compiz has
[14:17] <Amaranth> well, sort of
[14:18] <Amaranth> expo just made it easier to hit :)
[14:18] <LongPointyStick> what, the freezes?
[14:19] <StevenK> Haha
[14:20] <LongPointyStick> crashes on gutsy too.
[14:27] <Amaranth> LongPointyStick: good, you can get debug symbols there :)
[14:28] <LongPointyStick> heh
[14:43] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: it appears that they're broken anyway, due to the backports
[14:44] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: oh joy
[14:44] <Hobbsee> yes...
[16:19] <android> hi
[16:20] <android> do you know why zsnes is in multiverse in ubuntu but in main in debian?
[16:20] <android> I think this is an error
[16:20] <android> cause zsnes is a free software
[16:24] <Adri2000> android: I see it in universe
[16:24] <Adri2000> zsnes |  1.510-1.1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Sources
[16:26] <pochu> android: In feisty and Edgy was in multiverse, but Gutsy and Hardy have it in universe.
[16:27] <android> ok thank you the problem was solved
[21:15] <yuhong> May I suggest adding a generic-pae kernel to the next version of Ubuntu?
[21:15] <yuhong> Currently it requires a recompile.
[21:16] <yuhong> How about making it the default if NX support or RAM mapped over 4G boundary is detected.
[21:18] <yuhong> Also how about a non-PAE server kernel?
[21:18] <yuhong> Make that the default if the processor does not support PAE.
[21:19] <yuhong> And if installing a server version of Ubuntu.
[21:19] <crimsun> yuhong: please ask on the kernel-team@  list (it's moderated, so please consider subscribing).