 Question about the Q&A: When donating, would it be possible to give a custom name? And if so, how absurd could I go before Dalton would refuse to read it out loud?
 [Edit] When donating, would it be possible to give a custom name? Or does it just go off of the name the payment processor gives?
 @YepYepperson [When donating, would it be possible to give a custom name? Or does it just go of …], that's very good question
 @YepYepperson [When donating, would it be possible to give a custom name? Or does it just go of …], i think it depends on which method you use
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 Dear Community - anyone is working on Khmer language unicode?
 do you mean khmer language localisation?
 Yes Sir
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 @rithytelegram [Yes Sir], Looks like some strings are already translated. https://translate.ubports.com/languages/km/ubports/
 Just register and go ahead translating more strings if you speak the language.
 For app translations you can read through here: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/contribute/translations.html
 Installed Ubuntu touch on Xioami mi a3 jist.sending this message  from my Ubuntu  touch now.I just love the work you have  done.Love you Ubports😢
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/g6dTOjTc.webp
 Congrats!
 Nice job.
 @Danfro [For app translations you can read through here: http://docs.ubports.com/en/lates …], I am not a developer, what I can share to my developer to make them able to try this Sir?
 @rithytelegram [I am not a developer, what I can share to my developer to make them able to try …], translate the apps/docs
 @rithytelegram [I am not a developer, what I can share to my developer to make them able to try …], Thats the good thing about weblate. You do not need to be a developer. It is a webinterface where you can see the English string and enter the translated string for your language.
 For translating apps things are a bit more difficult, but can still be done without coding skills. There some basic knowlede of git is needed.
 If you know programmers, share äy second link with them.
 The first one is where you can take part yourself.
 Wow … I am very exciting now
 What if I need my programmer to add new feature to the OS core? … What skills my team would need?
 We want to develop a native feature to block all nudity contents on phone that we will install Ubuntu touch OS on
 New strings will then be available at a new release of an app or with an system update for those parts.
 @rithytelegram [We want to develop a native feature to block all nudity contents on phone that w …], Some more information are in the docs. In General for most apps and system parts QML is used for the user interface. For the backend you can use several programming languages.
 For core components c++ is needed.
 Otherwise js, go, rust, python,... can be used with various benefits or restrictions.
 Clickable is the tool used for app packaging. That is described in the doc too.
 http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html
 Wow
 I love open source software😍😍
 Have fun. It is all open source. So for features make a PR/MR and see if it does get accepted.
 Because most of us are volunteers, some things may take time to get through. Even more nowadays with Corona.
 @rithytelegram [I love open source software😍😍], We too. 😇
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 🙏🙏
 @Flohack [<reply to media>], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ oneplus 5 no in this list where i  found it?
 @SehjanS [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ oneplus 5 no in this list where i  found it?], Not released yet
 ok
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 If you port it's free :)
 Need kernel sources
 @amyosx [Need kernel sources], Maybe kernel grabber helps?
 kernel source not image
 😊I think you will like this news)👍 … https://bit.ly/2KpcF0z
 @animeSighless [😊I think you will like this news)👍 … https://bit.ly/2KpcF0z], Spam
 mir-client-platform-android5 upgrade is breaking the mi_a2(jasmine_sprout with jdi panel) GUI, the only working version is 0.31.2+0~20201115180149.5~1.gbp0127fe, even the latest 0.31.2+0~20201115180149.5~1.gbp0127fe also breaks it
 @pavelov [mir-client-platform-android5 upgrade is breaking the mi_a2(jasmine_sprout with j …], correction, the working version is 0.31.2+0~20201008055154.4~1.gbpbe8412
 @pavelov [correction, the working version is 0.31.2+0~20201008055154.4~1.gbpbe8412], downgrading back fixes the issue
 what are you doing?
 @Javacookies [what are you doing?], you mean spam?
 no, the error you encountered, what did you do?
 @Javacookies [no, the error you encountered, what did you do?], I upgraded the packages using apt
 why though? … that's not supported in UT … updates are done via system images
 @Javacookies [why though? … that's not supported in UT … updates are done via system images], every other release breaks my GUI except  24 oct 2020 on mi_a2 with jdi panel
 @pavelov [every other release breaks my GUI except  24 oct 2020 on mi_a2 with jdi panel], https://github.com/ubports-xiaomi-sdm660/artifacts/releases
 ah okay, so you are porting?
 @Javacookies [ah okay, so you are porting?], kinda, just trying to find what breaks it
 I see, goodluck then … but I don't think this is the place to discuss that … you should join the halium or porting group
 @Aga [When camera is in the middle top side of the screen icon of notifications is hid …], I did a simple workaround on my volla: I installed ICE and Datamonitor indicators, that moved the notification indicator to the left, so I can see it now.
 showing the battery percentage may also help
 Good idea Stefan 😀 we did similar thing, move notifications to the left 😀 I installed UT Tweak Tool and turned in it on the battery percentage and notifications are just on the left side of camera 😀
 I want to install ut on zuk z2 plz help to install it
 @John [I want to install ut on zuk z2 plz help to install it], please consult https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 It's in it
 it is? really?
 But I need some tutorial to install it
 As it is not yet supported by ut installer
 that's the `zuk z2 plus` right? are you sure you have a z2 plus?
 @John [But I need some tutorial to install it], If you follow the link on the device page, it leads here: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3829/zuk-z2_plus
[13:45] <Maik> @John it's stil a WIP (Work In Progress) Don't expect it to work fully yet at al
 the list is pretty good for a pip(port in progress) tbh
[13:46] <Maik> @John als: The Zuk z2 Plus is not supported by the UBports Installer yet. You can help us by contributing a config file.
 What is jbb's script
[13:46] <Maik> als/also
 @Fuseteam [that's the zuk z2 plus right? are you sure you have a z2 plus?], Z2 and z2 plus both are same
 In my country it is sold as Lenovo z2 plus
 @Maik [@John als: The Zuk z2 Plus is not supported by the UBports Installer yet. You ca …], Can u give me telegram I'd of developer
[13:54] <Maik> @John that was just a quote from the page and i don't have a telegram ID of the dev. I'm not invloved in it either.
 Any thoughts on ordering the list of devices by year of release? Most recent at the top
 @John [Can u give me telegram I'd of developer], Join the forum and become part of that discussion
 @Stereofont [Any thoughts on ordering the list of devices by year of release? Most recent at …], Yes, as one of those things you can sort by
 By default it should be maturity imo
 @Stereofont [Any thoughts on ordering the list of devices by year of release? Most recent at …], Redmi 4 in option but costs higher than zuk z2 plus on the site where i am purchasing
 A drop-down sorting protocol would be nice perhaps
 Price varies with location so might be low, medium, high only
 But old generally equals cheap
 Maybe we need three broad maturity categories. 1. Some things working. 2. Some significant issues still. 3. Daily driver if your needs are average
 Scrap %
 So three lists
 Objective, published criteria for inclusion in 1, 2 or 3
 Sounds good
 Pmos do something similar
 But let's avoid terms like core devices
 @amyosx [But let's avoid terms like core devices], I myself like the term, stable devices
 Might be good to gather those ideas ^^ here: https://gitlab.com/capsia/ubuntu-touch.io/-/issues/20#note_471027648
[14:21] <ubptgbot> Garushiad was added by: Garushiad
 Which version of UT is Erfan's GSI v10 based on?
 arm64 i preume
 OTA-13 iirc
 @rogieroudshoorn [arm64 i preume], I meant OTA version.I don't think  it is based on latest OTA-15.
 i thought you flashed rootfs AND gsi
 but i'm probably wrong :)
 @rogieroudshoorn [but i'm probably wrong :)], Sorry my bad😊
 Is there a way we can build GSI based on latest OTA?
 Any idea on how to request kernel/drivers/vendor blobs from OEMs?
 @arunkumar413 [Any idea on how to request kernel/drivers/vendor blobs from OEMs?], Why you think this would work? They are not gonna donate you their copyrighted work ;)
 Thats the whole purpose of it, to lock you out ;;)
 Kernel they have to give
 Blobs you can grab binaries of from a rooted phone or a download of the stock firmware
 @Danfro [Might be good to gather those ideas ^^ here: https://gitlab.com/capsia/ubuntu-to …], I lost my Gitlab login. Could you copy and paste please?
 (Photo, 1225x528) https://irc.ubports.com/kXZqeCQs.png
 @arunkumar413 [Any idea on how to request kernel/drivers/vendor blobs from OEMs?], use a lawyer
 @Stereofont [I lost my Gitlab login. Could you copy and paste please?], I can do later. Just remind me of I forget. ☺
 @just_carlod [<reply to media>], The other way round. 😉 Copy content from here into the issue.
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[16:06] <ubptgbot> <Dev Mody> Can I install ubuntu touch in samsung note 8
[16:06] <ubptgbot> <Dev Mody> Any steps
 you need to port it first
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <Dev Mody> Its already done
[16:09] <ubptgbot> <Dev Mody> But on website it dosent show support for samsung note 8
 so ask your maintainer
 [Edit] so ask maintainer of your device
[16:35] <ubptgbot> Tchan74 was added by: Tchan74
 How to check the memory usage?
 like on normal linux
 `free -mh` in terminal
 @Flohack Is there any plans to release new GSI builds with every OTA release? It would be very helpful in bringing in more tester for testing. I am currently using erfan's UT GSI builds.We cannot test changes that not Generic(example: Some UI behavior).If we could support GSIs more people with other devices can also contribute.
 gsi is not officially supported by ubports
 Yeah I am personally more leaning towards classic device images. But thats another story. Currently we have not many resources for an official support for that. Maybe I can talk weith the guys after Christmas holidays how that would fit into 2021
 @Flohack [Yeah I am personally more leaning towards classic device images. But thats anoth …], Thanks Florian.I would always be happy to help.🙂
 some work to integrate those devices supported by GSIs should be beneficial for the project though
 We could create a separate telegram group to focus on bringing in official UT GSIs.What do you say?
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 @Sanath [We could create a separate telegram group to focus on bringing in official UT GS …], there is https://t.me/UBports_porting for porting discussions. it surely would be an appropriate place to discuss that
 Just flashing ubports onto my Nexus 5 now. How long should 'Preparing... Preparing system-inage' take? please?
 [Edit] Just flashing ubports onto my Nexus 5 now. How long should 'Preparing... Preparing system-image' take? please?
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 @xander2m [Just flashing ubports onto my Nexus 5 now. How long should 'Preparing... Prepari …], i have same problem
 I've just bought the phone so I don't know if it has the repartition resizing.
 How can i install via command line i`m using Xiaomi Redmi 4x
 I've found system-image.ubports.com
 @KPETEH [How can i install via command line i`m using Xiaomi Redmi 4x], Maybe this has the os?
 I'll try the devl rather than stable and see if that works for me
 is there any news for Pixel 3a?, APN works, sees all local telephone suppliers, but says no Carrier.
 @xander2m [Just flashing ubports onto my Nexus 5 now. How long should 'Preparing... Prepari …], try older version of installer maybe that will work
 @just_carlod [try older version of installer maybe that will work], Oh. I am using snapn0.8.2-beta. are they just on the website?
 installer is really buggy, it's easier to install ubnutu touch than manually imo
 [Edit] installer is really buggy, it's easier to install ubnutu touch manually than via installer imo
 @just_carlod [installer is really buggy, it's easier to install ubnutu touch manually than via …], Please can you tell me how to do this? I've found various tar.xz files for my phone from the system-image website.
 idk how to do it on halium-7.1
 Fair enough
 @just_carlod [installer is really buggy, it's easier to install ubnutu touch manually than via …], eh? it works fine, especially for nexus 5
 @just_carlod [installer is really buggy, it's easier to install ubnutu touch manually than via …], Thats actually not true
 @xander2m [I've just bought the phone so I don't know if it has the repartition resizing.], flash last OEM Android 6 image first to be sure
 The installer is not buggy, but we cannot test all strange combinations of distribution and device hardware
 @dohbee [eh? it works fine, especially for nexus 5], so, maybe it's buggy for me
 @dohbee [flash last OEM Android 6 image first to be sure], I did do this. Then I've got as far as Ubuntu recovery being installed
 maybe I don't have some dependencies or something like that
 @xander2m [I did do this. Then I've got as far as Ubuntu recovery being installed], did installer say it finished?
 @just_carlod [so, maybe it's buggy for me], The installer just needs to see the device in fastboot once to flash the recovery image, and then see it another time in adb/recovery mode to copy files. If the installer waits forever, quit it and see what fastboot devices and adb devices gives you
 No.
 I'll try Ubuntu version rather than snap version
 @xander2m [I'll try Ubuntu version rather than snap version], i used appimage version just fine, with fastboot/adb installed from debian
 90% of the problems are wrong udev rules for Android USB detection. The installer tries to fix that, but it does not work in all cases. So first thing is, can you see the device properly in fastboot and recovery mode
 Fastboot devices works.
 What do you mean by see device properly in recovery mode?
 run `adb devices` while in recovery
 [Edit] "Fastboot devices" works.
 Well if the installer finds the device in fastboot mode, it will flash a temporary recovery to the boot partition, and issue "fastboot reboot" to get there.
 @dohbee [run adb devices while in recovery], Okay
 @Flohack [Well if the installer finds the device in fastboot mode, it will flash a tempora …], Yes that bit worked
 then it waits for adb devices to show a correct, unlocked adb device
 Preparing system for installation formatting system is on screen now
 so close the installer, run adb devices and post the result
 @dohbee [run adb devices while in recovery], It says an unauthorized device
 well there we have it ^^
 Which device is it?
 Sweet. How do I fix that then?
 [Edit] Sweet. How do I fix that then? Please
 enable adb in android
 @just_carlod [enable adb in android], Not so quickly. Our recoveries should all be open
 In developer settings?
 that's true
 Thats not needed, only for TWRP
 Wait. What device is it
 @Flohack [Wait. What device is it], https://t.me/ubports/311446
 I fresh installed newest factory image, unlocked it in developer settings, and started
 Ouch. Nexus 5 recovery is 100% open
 Idk what happens there then
 Maybe I'll start over?
 i'm pretty sure our recovery checks the android property for enabling adb
 @dohbee [i'm pretty sure our recovery checks the android property for enabling adb], Humm. Okay but he said he unlocked it. Try to first "Allow USB debugging" in the settings, then connect the cable, and confirm to allow the device in the popup that should appear
 Yes, I did that first
 enable usb debugging in android developer settings, and do `adb shell` to get the poup and allow the PC and check the 'always allow'
 yes
 That could help
 I think I did that. Maybe I forgot to click the box?? I'll boot back into android and have a check
 @dohbee [i'm pretty sure our recovery checks the android property for enabling adb], For Halium 7.1 we have unlocked recoveries, but you might be right about 5.1 -
 I'll have to re-flash it as phone won't boot 😂😂😂
 So I typed ADB devices in terminal and ticked the box.
 Use usb for file transfer
 [Edit] Use usb for file transfer. This time...
 [Edit] So I typed ADB devices in terminal and ticked the box. Use usb for file transfer. This time...
 [Edit] So I typed ADB devices in terminal and ticked the box. Use usb for file transfer. This time... It's sending files which is new! ..
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4cTDauT3.png
 Thanks guys
 [Edit] Thanks guys @Flohack @dohbee
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 @Dev Mody [Its already done], Samsung note 8 is ported? I did not know this
 @Flohack is development of halium 7.1-based port for Nexus 5 stopped?
 @XShell [@Flohack is development of halium 7.1-based port for Nexus 5 stopped?], No we hope to get it done during christmas ho9lidays
[23:00] <ubptgbot> iljhak was added by: iljhak
 @rikmac [is there any news for Pixel 3a?, APN works, sees all local telephone suppliers, …], Things like this get lost here. Best to join the Pixel thread in the UBports forum
 @Flohack [No we hope to get it done during christmas ho9lidays], ho9lidays or 9lidays for short :p
 @Stereofont [Things like this get lost here. Best to join the Pixel thread in the UBports for …], thanks.


[14:35] <xu-help83w> Hi there! I'm using Xubuntu from a USB stick, since I have problems to boot into Windows, and I want to download it to reinstall it. I want to download the ISO on my second hard drive, that's in "/media/xubuntu/HDD1TB". I used the command "sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1" to make it writable, as otherwise I wouldn't be able to write stuff into
[14:35] <xu-help83w> it. After doing that, the GUI allows me to create and copy files into it, but it fails saying that there's no such file. mkdir also does the same: "mkdir: can't create file <whatever>: no such file or directory" (I have it in spanish, btw, so don't know what it says in english). What can I do?
[14:38] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: i don't think you need any terminal trickery since you can mount almost everything in Thunar or gnome-disk-utility, so open Thunar and navigate to your mounted drive location, see if you can browse /create/modify any files over there.
[14:43] <xu-help83w> Nope, I can't from there either. If I do right click -> Create a document -> Plain text -> Give it a name or default "Plain Text.txt" -> Create, it says "Couldn't create the empty file 'Plain Text.txt'. Error opening the file /media/xubuntu/HDD1TB/Plain Text.txt: No such file or directory. Do you want to omit it?"
[14:46] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: what is your second HDD used for?
[14:48] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 For storing stuff, like movies, series, game installers, and other files. It's connected internally, just like the main one, in which I have Windows 10.
[14:51] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: was it used as some drive D on windows?
[14:51] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 I can see from Thunar some Windows directories: $RECYCLE.BIN, msdownld.tmp, and System Volume Information. The Disks utility says that it has only one partition, NTFS, mounted on "/media/xubuntu/HDD1TB", and partition type "Basic Data".
[14:51] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 Yes, exactly. It was F:
[14:55] <xu-help83w> I mean, the drive letter was "F" -- that was not an emoji!
[14:56] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: ok so my theory is the following, strting i guess with windows 8.1 and onwards, it introduced a very annoying feature called fast boot, the idea is that when you shut down your PC it doesn't actually shutdown but puts your PC in some sort of a hybrid sleep mode so when you turn it back on again, it starts fast and you can continue working where you left last time but, this feature is very annoying if after shutting
[14:56] <diogenes_Vx15>  down your windows PC you try to boot a Linux OS because when windows puts your PC into hybrid sleep mode, it locks down your HDDS by writing some hiberfile to it so you cannot acces them from linux, the only way is to either clean them from within Linux or to boot window and NOT shut down but reboot into Linux, since rebooting cleans everything and let's you access the windows drives from Linux.
[14:57] <diogenes_Vx15> sorry i ate some letters :)
[14:59] <xu-help83w> Ok, so I can't boot into Windows. How does "clean them from within Linux" work? Is it risky?
[15:00] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: this might be useful: https://askubuntu.com/questions/384429/cannot-remove-hiberfile-on-ntfs-partition
[15:01] <diogenes_Vx15> but you have to reboot once again into Linux.
[15:03] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 Fantastic. But, I'm using the Xubuntu Live, not installed on the drive. It doesn't matter? And then, is that remove_hiberfile safe? Like, can I lost my personal files or something?
[15:05] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: well when working with personal files it's always risky they say that the date which was not backed up is not important data :) i think you'd be better if you download the ISO on a different PC and reinstall your system the usualy safe way.
[15:13] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 Yes, that will be the way. So I'm going to download it from somewhere else. One more question: I should simply create the bootable USB stick, boot into it, and let the Windows installer run? Here's the problem I have: yesterday, about 50% of Argentina suffered a power outage due to some fires. There were two power outages: on the
[15:13] <xu-help83w> first one, the computer obviously shut off, but as the electricity went back about 20 seconds later, it turned itself on automatically, and Windows took a while to boot. I turned it off as soon as the login screen appeared, and then again it took a while to shut down.
[15:13] <xu-help83w> By the time it was already off, a second power outage happened, so I ran from my bed after seeing the lights weakening and flipped the switch of my PSU -- at the same time the electricity completely cut off. Hours later, it came back, I turned on the PC, and had a message that the CMOS settings were wrong. Did some things on the BIOS, restarted,
[15:13] <xu-help83w> and a screen told me "Reboot and Select proper Boot device". Then I tried Xubuntu Live, to see that the PC works fine and that my data is still on both disks -- and they are there. Someone told me that the Windows installation got corrupted. Most likely, but how?
[15:19] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: it's windows question but ok, it's kind of tricky because the standard way is that you have your system on the C drive and all your data on your D, E, F etc. drives so you just format the C drive you you go ahead with the installation BUT, this is where it gets tricky, on windows you might have you data all over the place, even in your downloads folder the data that you didn't manage to transfer somewhere else so,
[15:19] <diogenes_Vx15> in this case you just state what drive to install the system to and proceed and, it should create a folder called oldwindows where your old windows files will be stored and a brand new installation of windows on the selected partition/drive, take this with a grain of salt because i haven't touched a windows system in awhile and the info might be outdated.
[15:27] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 Oh, sorry, but many thanks for still helping me! Yes, I have my Windows in C, and lots of files in there; indeed all over the place. I used to install Windows back then many times, and it effectively moved things to a Windows.old folder. I am concerned now because I never had this problem, where Windows won't boot. Something got
[15:27] <xu-help83w> corrupted, right? Do you know if it's okay to proceed with the Windows installation normally?
[15:29] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: i can only assume because windows is a very "shaky" os so i'm uncertain but, there's a channel here called #windows so you can do: /j #windows and ask there too.
[15:31] <xu-help83w> diogenes_Vx15 Okay then, I'll ask over there. Many, many thanks for your help and time, my friend! I hugely appreciate it!
[15:31] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help83w: no problem, good luck!


[01:16] <Josue_dhg> alguien tiene un ejemplo de sockets con qt
[01:16] <Josue_dhg> ?
[01:40] <hated> anyone around willing to help a lame question?
[01:40] <Josue_dhg> hey
[01:40] <hated> if installed with acpi off, theres no way to use the internal wifi card. correct?
[01:41] <Josue_dhg> you have any example of sockets with qt?
[02:32] <doc-saintly> I just installed a fresh install of Kubuntu 11.10 on my computer and it doesn't seem to boot. It's not a "blank" screen, I just get a black screen with a blinking "_"
[02:35] <doc-saintly> Any ideas?
[02:39] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: is there anything on any of the VTs?   (Ctrl+Alt  F1.. F10 )
[02:39] <doc-saintly> frogonwheels: no
[02:39] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly:  presumably the 'demo' booted?
[02:40] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: .. and you are definitely booting off the correct disk?
[02:40] <doc-saintly> frogonwheels: yes
[02:40] <doc-saintly> frogonwheels: removed the CD, and even told bios the specific drive.
[02:40] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: no dual boot or anything fancy, noteworthy?
[02:40] <doc-saintly> nope
[02:41] <doc-saintly> just a raid 5 of 4 disks in there, 1 backup, and the boot device which is specified first in the boot order in the BIOS (and manually selected a few times as well)
[02:41] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: if you boot from the CD, can you get into a root console and check the boot partition with fdisk?
[02:41] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: boot device is off the raid?
[02:42] <doc-saintly> frogonwheels: I probably could. It boots to the CD fine. I'll have to do that once I get back at the machine.
[02:42] <doc-saintly> is there a way to know if that screen is before / after GRUB?
[02:42] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: presumably it's linux raid?
[02:42] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: if you're not seeing anything at all, that sounds a bit weird
[02:42] <doc-saintly> frogonwheels: correct - but it's not assembled since it's the first time the system has been booted
[02:43] <doc-saintly> I was running ubunutu 10.04 previously, wanted an upgrade, but hate Unity.
[02:43] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: I'd boot off the CD, reinstall grub(2) and make sure the bootpart is correct
[02:44] <doc-saintly> Hrm, well I installed it again and I have the same problem. Is this a typical problem with new installations on this version of knoppix?
[02:44] <doc-saintly> blech, kubuntu*
[02:44] <doc-saintly> for some reason when I think linux things starting with K i get Knoppix
[02:44] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: I haven't tried installing a fresh version of 11.10
[02:45] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: it's very weird that the demo works but the install doesn't though.
[02:45] <doc-saintly> I thoguht so too. I was worried it would have video card issues, but the demo runs perfect.
[02:45] <doc-saintly> and like I said - it's not a "blank" screen, it's almost like it's pre (or just after) GRUB
[02:45] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: if you're not seeing any grub stuff coming up, then I'd say it might be a grub thing
[02:46] <doc-saintly> does putting in a boot CD and saying "boot from hard disk" have any special effect? Will it use its own version of GRUB?
[02:46] <frogonwheels> hmm.. possibly, or it might just chain bootloaders
[02:47] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: from the boot CD you could set it up to point to your partition
[02:47] <doc-saintly> Hrm, I may try these - but unfortunately I'm tempted to just try Xubuntu / Mint. I was hoping this would be a more common problem
[02:47] <monocrack> hola
[02:48] <frogonwheels> doc-saintly: gl
[02:48] <monocrack> teengo un problema con la reproduccion de videos en kubuntu
[02:48] <doc-saintly> Thanks for your time frogonwheels
[02:49] <frogonwheels> yw
[02:54] <ybit> #kde-usa has been created
[02:54]  * ybit is looking to organize the USA kde efforts
[02:55] <Delemas> I've Kubuntu 11.10 installed in virtualbox. I've got a shell and deluge running. X keeps growing to fill all memory and getting killed by the kernel out of memory handler every couple days. Any idea on workarounds?
[03:04] <ybit> Delemas: i don't have a workaround but i'm interested in hearing what you find
[06:12] <Kell_> hello
[06:16] <Kell_> how this function?
[06:48] <seshagiri> i made a UI in which there are two spinboxes. I set its max-min values and all. But when i print its values it is returning 0. I  declared like this :- width = new QSpinBox; and called the value like width->value(); What ever value i give it is returning 0. Any ideas?
[06:50] <seshagiri> sorry wrong channel. Apologies
[08:33] <kell_> Hola
[08:36] <kell_> hej bjorn
[12:11] <pvivek> i had installed ubuntu-desktop in kubuntu. But now everytime i boot into plasma by default Nautilus opens with home directory. I checked in the system Settings>Startup , there's a script file
[12:11] <pvivek> "gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh" was running in the startup. I removed that entry and then restarted the system, and again the same prob, then i go again and check the entry is again inserted.
[12:11] <pvivek> Would be very glad if someone can help me out
[12:11] <FloodBotK1> pvivek: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:33] <howlymowly> hi people. short question: I installed a python-pyopencl via apt-get which automatically installs the nvidia drivers
[13:33] <howlymowly> I now have the problem:   I can not remove those drivers without removing the package" kubunut-desktop" at the same time
[13:34] <howlymowly> any idea?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> howlymowly,  how would python-pyopencl install nvidia drivers ?
[13:35] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: it does that by default
[13:35] <howlymowly> but I have an ATI card
[13:36] <BluesKaj> that makes no sense to me
[13:36] <BluesKaj> 'whydid you install python-pyopencl anyway ?
[13:36] <howlymowly> I thought this did not matter until I restarted my system and now do not have access to opengl anymore
[13:36] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: because I wanted to try it out
[13:37] <howlymowly> BluesKaj: I think it would already help, if I could just purge the nvidia-common package without automatically removing kubuntu-desktop
[13:38] <tsimpson> howlymowly: don't remove nvidia-common, though you can remove everything else that contains "nvidia" in the name
[13:39] <howlymowly> tsimpson: my problem is:  since I installed these drivers, my openGL doesn't work anymore
[13:39] <BluesKaj> tsimpson,  why not if he has no need for nvidia drivers
[13:39] <howlymowly> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual is what I get for example running glxgears (which did work before)
[13:39] <Sentynel> howlymowly: the nvidia driver package is nvidia-current, not nvidia-common
[13:40] <howlymowly> ahh..  ok..   I'll remove that then..  let me try out arestart
[13:40] <tsimpson> BluesKaj, howlymowly: the nvidia-common package don't actually contain nvidia drivers, just the mechanism to detect which nvidia driver is required
[13:40] <Sentynel> nvidia-common is supporting utilities which are required by all *ubuntu-desktop packages for driver detection
[13:40] <tsimpson> so don't remove that one package, but all the others
[13:40] <howlymowly> kk..  thx..  I'lll report in a few minutes
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Sentynel,  the nvidia-current is a driver for paricular graphics cards, but i I understand why keeping the coomob files is important , typical of kde to link files in that manner
[13:43] <tsimpson> it's used by jockey to detect which driver to install (if any)
[13:44] <howlymowly> alright, Sentynel, tsimpson BluesKaj  thx @all  seems like removing nvidia-current and nvidia-settings was enough :)
[13:44] <howlymowly> glx extensions are back
[13:45] <howlymowly> i guess the fact that python-pyopencl automatically installs the nvidia drivers clould be called abug
[13:47] <tsimpson> bug #763457
[13:48] <BluesKaj> there are too many illogical (to me) links like that in kde , just try to get rid of nepomuk and akonadi and see what happens
[13:49] <tsimpson> that's more of a KDE SC decision than a Kubuntu one
[14:00] <dnivra> hello. i recently installed kubuntu-backports. is there a sane way to rollback?
[14:01] <dnivra> i'm running kubuntu 11.10
[14:02] <BluesKaj> remove the ppa from your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:02] <BluesKaj> and the apps that you installed from it , dnivra
[14:04] <dnivra> BluesKaj: one question before I do so-my original desktop settings have disappeared. I had lots of notes and folders. anyway I can get those old settings back?
[14:04] <dnivra> else I'll probably rollback
[14:05] <BluesKaj> did you upgrade kde , dnivra ?
[14:05] <dnivra> i ran sudo apt-get upgrade and restarted.
[14:05] <dnivra> let me check if something wasn't installed.
[14:06] <dnivra> ah i see-some updates weren't pulled in.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> dnivra,  to upgrade kde from the backports you have to run , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade , so your upgrade didn't complete , if upgrading kde is what you were trying to do
[14:08] <dnivra> running a dist-upgrade now.
[14:17] <dnivra> BluesKaj: it's working fine now but some desktop effects don't work. is it because of the inherent nature of backports or does opengl/xrender work fine in the current state of backports?
[14:22] <dnivra> weird. it seems to be working now :/
[14:27] <BluesKaj> dnivra,  desktop effects depends a lot on your graphics card and drivers , if you had desktop effects working fine previous to the upgrade , they should do the same afterwards , which they are obviously doing now :)
[15:34] <Nine_9> hey guys. do you know what's the file used to store the style and colors settings?
[16:49] <ybit> #kde-usa has been created to help organize the kde community in the states, hope to see a lot of you in there!

[16:53]  * BluesKaj wonders if there's a kde-ca
[16:58] <genii-around> !ca
[19:01] <elvispresley> hello all
[19:04]  * genii-around slides elvispresley a coffee
[19:08] <elvispresley> i want a coffee genii-around
[19:26] <ybit> #kde-usa has been created to coordinate KDE users in the states, hope to see some of you there </plug>
[19:29] <moj0rising> Hi, there. I was wondering if anyone knows how to turn off those darn ~backup files kate creates with every document.
[19:30] <moj0rising> I've searched google and haven't found anything useful for some reason. I'm a long-time KDE user and this has always bugged me. I'm wondering if preventing those back-up files is even possible.
[19:32] <Peace-> moj0rising: mm wait
[19:33] <Peace-> moj0rising: have u tried to set stuff like this http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/09/plasma-desktopB10412.png ?
[19:35] <moj0rising> ah! Cool. I saw that but for some reason I didn't really get what that dialogue was saying...
[19:36] <moj0rising> .. Cool! I bet that did it. checking...
[19:37] <moj0rising> Looks like we have no more back-up files! Thank you, Peace-!
[19:38] <Peace-> moj0rising: good
[19:40] <jEhrichs> is there a "save way" to downgrade from 4.8.2 to 4.8.1 or 4.8.0? I need to do some benchmark/testing to figure out why nepomuk is so slow suddently
[19:40] <Peace-> jEhrichs: of course first you need to remove all kde packages
[19:41] <Peace-> remove the repository ppa taht contains kde 4.8.X
[19:41] <moj0rising> jEhrichs: Maybe try this in VMs so you don't have to mess with an existing set-up.
[19:41] <Peace-> and install again all the kde packages of kde 4.8.0
[19:41] <Peace-> but that... will be require much more time to reinstall it again...
[19:41] <Peace-> :D
[19:41] <jEhrichs> are 4.8.0 and 4.8.2 in different repositories? not sure at the moment. Or can I "pin" stuff somehow?
[19:42] <Peace-> jEhrichs: are u using kubuntu or other stuff?
[19:42] <jEhrichs> moj0rising: I#ll do this on my 2nd pc, so if it breaks the system its just a lost of time :) just try to avoid it
[19:42] <mogliiiii> when will 4.8.1 be rolled out to the official repositories? I have 4.8 at the moment
[19:42] <jEhrichs> Peace-: kubuntu with backports etc enabled
[19:42] <Peace-> jEhrichs: kde 4.8.1 it's the last
[19:43] <Peace-> 4.8.2 it's not out
[19:43] <jEhrichs> ah shoot. sorry I ment from 4.8.1 to 4.8.0
[19:43] <Peace-> remove the repository put only the official one
[19:44] <Peace-> test then you can download the 4.8.0 packages with the repository deactivated
[19:44] <Peace-> then
[19:44] <Peace-> remove kde packages
[19:44] <Peace-> and reinstall kde packages
[19:44] <jEhrichs> ok I'll give it a try. Hope it helps to find the cause of the slow nepomuk changes
[19:45] <Peace-> jEhrichs: of course all this stuff is not officail supported..
[19:45] <Peace-> so if you break your system...
[19:45] <Peace-> your trouble
[19:46] <jEhrichs> no harm done in this case.  When it's doing this, things are slow but when it's done, the system should operate normally. That could be a source of poor performance and such.
[19:50] <jEhrichs> yes I know. sadly thats not the cause, something very bad happend between 4.8.0 and 4.8.1 and now we are back to a very slow and unstable nepomuk. While it was running really great (at leats for me) before hand
[20:18] <moj0rising> Ah. Well,  jEhrichs. Happy testing! Hopefully, you find something to make KDE even faster.   :)
[20:41] <excognac> ok, guys I am superupset. Why the crash reporting assistant is buggy enough that I am unable to post a bug for a more than a week?
[20:42] <excognac> please advice me an appropriate forum where i can post this bug which apparently only exist since some update, just as if I were using windows
[20:42] <excognac> *exists
[20:48] <excognac> ARRGH bugzilla is so buggy
[20:49] <excognac> why everybody is so silent now? why is bugzilla is nothing but a big bug itself?
[20:49] <j2_> excognac: what's going on?
[20:50] <j2_> excognac: Just got out of a long discussion about that as well. It's amusing that one of the biggest users of bugzilla is the Bugzilla project
[20:50] <excognac> j2_: I am trying to report a bug with bugzilla, unknown error for 100th time
[20:50] <j2_> excognac: What error?
[20:50] <excognac> j2_: KMix crashes non-stop.
[20:51] <j2_> excognac: what version of KDE ?
[20:51] <excognac> j2_: 4.8
[20:52] <j2_> excognac: and you are posting the error on bugs.kde.org?
[20:53] <excognac> j2_: I am trying to
[20:53] <j2_> excognac: Alright. So what makes Kmix crash?
[20:55] <excognac> j2_: generally occurs while an online video is but I'd rather say it happens randomly. Sometimes the machine becomes silent hterefore it's a real KMix crash, sometimes everything goes on (even Kmix)
[20:56] <j2_> excognac: So you get a popup saying kmix crashed but the sound goes on and yo ucan still interact with kmix ?
[20:56] <excognac> j2_: my favourite is when nothing audio related runs but it still crashes
[20:57] <excognac> j2_: well, sometimes yes
[20:57] <j2_> >_<
[20:57] <j2_> ok and this happened after an update?
[20:58] <excognac> j2_: I think so but can't remeber which one since every morning I run one
[20:58] <j2_> excognac: Ah. Alright. can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list please ?
[20:59] <excognac> sure just a sec
[21:02] <excognac> j2_:  http://paste.kde.org/436244/
[21:03] <j2_> excognac: thanks
[21:17] <j2_> Where are you getting KDE 4.8 from ?
[21:19] <j2_> what does apt-cache policy kmix say ?
[21:30] <j2_> excognac: there?
[21:52] <excognac> j2_: sorry here 4.8 is from the ppa repos
[21:53] <j2_> excognac: Alright I'm speaking to the webadmin people from KDE as well
[21:53] <j2_> what did you do to get an error on bugzilla?
[21:54] <j2_> The issues with DrKonqui are know and a patch should be coming for them soon
[21:55] <excognac> j2_: just tried to sen tregular crashreport. how do i get the apt-cache policy/
[21:55] <excognac> <
[21:56] <j2_> excognac: apt-cache policy kmix
[21:57] <excognac> j2_:  lol wrote with capital k http://paste.kde.org/436298/
[21:58] <j2_> :-)
[21:58] <j2_> excognac: you have a bugzilla account for KDE ?
[21:59] <excognac> j2_: i think i do: bugs.kde.org, right? I login, fill the form and unknown error
[22:00] <j2_> excognac: Ok did you put anything into the form yourself? As in wrote anything or it was all dropdown boxes?
[22:01] <excognac> j2_: the anomaly occured right after login, I filled the form correctly myself
[22:02] <j2_> Did you put in the backtrace from the crash?
[22:08] <j2_> excognac: do you know how to pastebin a screenshot?
[22:09] <excognac> j2_: i think i can find it out, so for the next crash report do you want me to do so
[22:10] <j2_> excognac: well you can do it now if you like I want to show the KDE bugzilla web team what you are seeing
[22:10] <j2_> Though if you are not too busy maybe I could convince one to speak with you?
[22:11] <j2_> excognac: It's really easy with KDE once you have the pastebin Widget
[22:11] <excognac> j2_: and yes i think i put it to the backtrace. ok. I'll start to try to have crash again. By no means, that would be lovely
[22:11] <excognac> ok
[22:12] <j2_> excognac: Well you were getting the error on the bugs.kde.org site right?
[22:12] <excognac> j2_: exactly
[22:13] <excognac> j2_: the site comes up in the little window but whatever try leads to an unknown error
[22:13] <j2_> That doesn't require you to crash. Just to login and try submit a bug on kmix
[22:13] <excognac> *I try
[22:13] <j2_> The little window?
[22:13] <excognac> no, sorry on the website it works ok
[22:13] <j2_> >_>
[22:14] <j2_> ok Cod:e:Green
[22:14]  * j2_ tells the KDE web guys to stand down
[22:15] <j2_> So where is the bug you submitted?
[22:15] <excognac> j2_: I mean the tiny window poping up in the crash report. Naturally, the website in my browser works perfectly fine
[22:15] <BluesKaj> !bugzilla
[22:15] <j2_> excognac: ok Effectively DrKonqui was doing alot of assumptions on how bugs.kde.org worked instead of using an API
[22:16] <j2_> when they upgraded bugs.kde.org it totally broke DrKonqui. Totally!
[22:16] <BluesKaj> !info bugzilla
[22:16] <j2_> !info bugzilla3
[22:17] <j2_> excognac: So until that is fixed DrKonqui is not going to be useful. The best thing would be to have a cash server that takes the backtrace automatically and stacks it then links it with bug reports
[22:18] <j2_> but that's needs time to build along with a more complete API for bugs.kde.org so it's a funky situation
[22:19] <BluesKaj> !drkonqi
[22:19] <BluesKaj> these factoids aren't up to date or is it me ? :)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> ok, backtrace
[22:22] <excognac> j2_:  all right, I acknowledged it. Anyhow, do you have any advice what to read about kubuntu/kde/linux to become more comfortable to resolve problems on my own? I' comfortable with the terminal and other very basic stuff, I don't want to really go super deep into it but it would be very highly beneficial to me to be able to run whatever package, integrate simple hardware (A/D converters and such) etc.?
[22:30] <BluesKaj> excognac,  if you use the pcm/spdif output then the digital stream will passthru to digital input device/DAC/audio amplifier or similar equipment where it can be converted to analog
[22:31] <snowmanbamf> wireless problems with kubuntu 11.10!!  need help!
[22:32] <xcv> hello everyone! can anybody help me with nepomuk/strigi?
[22:32] <snowmanbamf> firmware missing
[22:32] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  which wifi chip ?
[22:34] <snowmanbamf> ???  nub to kubuntu, trying to find the info
[22:34] <BluesKaj> lspci , look for mobile
[22:35] <xcv> nobody? :(
[22:36] <j2_> excognac: depends on the issues that you have but I would say knowing the basic contents of ~/.kde and being able to use qdbus would do you well
[22:36] <BluesKaj> xcv,  sorry I'm a home user , so i just disable nepomuk
[22:36] <j2_> !anyone
[22:36] <excognac> BluesKaj: thanks, but the a/d converters are rather for electrophysiological measurements, will look them up though
[22:37] <j2_> xcv: Perhaps your next question my help?
[22:37] <xcv> okay, I was just trying it and I realized that I couldn't use AND/OR in queries
[22:37] <xcv> just one term
[22:37] <excognac> j2_: thanks will definetly read them
[22:37] <BluesKaj> electrophysiological measurements ? .heh that's a good one , i thought youwere talking about analog to digital audio :)
[22:38] <j2_> excognac: do you know dbus ?
[22:38] <j2_> I mean just basically what it is
[22:39] <excognac> BluesKaj: no worries, just I'm trying to get close to the set up first in the lab, so it takes time anyhow:)
[22:39] <j2_> xcv: Ah you were sending in queries? :) try in #nepomuk-kde
[22:39] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, having trouble finding it wifi chip.  im not sure if my troubles are coming from my lack of knoladge of browsing this system, or if its just not there..  idk
[22:39] <snowmanbamf> can you give me an idea of where I might find it
[22:40] <snowmanbamf> been browsing system settings
[22:40] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  open a terminal , type lspci , then look in the list for a mobile device
[22:40] <excognac> j2_:  no, but itlooks like worth a try
[22:40] <snowmanbamf> :) k
[22:41]  * BluesKaj use dbus-launch when ssh'd into another pc ...but that about ads far dbus goes here :)
[22:41] <BluesKaj> as far as
[22:43] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj,
[22:43] <snowmanbamf> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[22:45] <snowmanbamf> thats all I see for wireless or mobile
[22:45] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  again the the terminal , sudo modprobe b43
[22:46] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, command not found
[22:48] <xcv> snowmanbamf, try sudo su -c "modprobe b43"
[22:49] <j2_> excognac: it's a IPC (Interprocess communicator)
[22:49] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf, sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source
[22:50] <BluesKaj> aclimatt_,  this isn;t debian no need for sudo su
[22:50] <j2_> excognac: In other words a way to send communication to a process that is already going. Helpful for getting KDE things to do stuff they were not explicitly programmed to do but also a nice way to get back information about what's happening
[22:50] <BluesKaj> xcv, ^
[22:50] <j2_> qdbus is a qtwrapper around dbus that makes it possible for humans to use it
[22:50] <j2_> Seriously dbus by itself is unreadable without a master's thesis
[22:50] <xcv> BluesKaj, my turn? :D
[22:51] <excognac> j2_: i see,  thank you very much for your immense patience and help today
[22:52] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  then , sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl
[22:52] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  followed by , sudo modprobe wl
[22:53] <BluesKaj>   I have to go ...BBL
[22:53] <j2_> excognac: The easiest way to get around things would be to just step into the KDE community though. Put Planet KDE on your reading list :)
[22:53] <j2_> Bye BluesKaj
[22:53] <j2_> xcv: #nepomuk-kde
[22:53] <snowmanbamf> xcv, comand not found
[22:54] <j2_> snowmanbamf: type which modprobe
[22:54] <xcv> j2_, thanks
[22:55] <snowmanbamf> y
[22:55] <j2_> sudo modprobe b43 should not give you command not found
[22:57] <snowmanbamf> I checked spelling and tried twice...
[22:57] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, still installing bcmwl
[23:00] <snowmanbamf> BluesKaj, finished bcmwl, nothing happened under sudo modprobe -r b43 wl or sudo modprobe wl
[23:01] <snowmanbamf> just gave me anouther comand propt that's it
[23:02] <snowmanbamf> wireless antena still wont turn on
[23:12] <snowmanbamf> anyone got any idea's????
[23:12] <j2_> yo have a hardware switch on the computer?
[23:14] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  ok , sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[23:14] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  then , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[23:15] <snowmanbamf> j2, it's a hot key switch only, no hard switch...
[23:16] <snowmanbamf> bluesKaj, is that wlan0 with a zero or letter o?
[23:19] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, wlanO: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[23:20] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, iwlist: unknown command `scanlgrep' (check 'iwlist --help').
[23:21] <snowmanbamf> hilp
[23:24] <BluesKaj> snowmanbamf,  don'type the commands , copy and paste them into the terminal
[23:27] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, sudo ifconfig, same results.....
[23:28] <snowmanbamf> blueskaj, sudo iwlist, wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.
[23:28] <snowmanbamf> grrr
[23:28] <snowmanbamf> I'm running a dell latitude d610 if it helps at all
[23:30] <snowmanbamf> i really like this os and don't want to downgrade......  im having the same problem running ubuntu, kbuntu, and linux mint, all versions 11.10
[23:32] <xcv> snowmanbamf, is linux-backports-modules-cw installed?
[23:33] <snowmanbamf> help me with what that is????  nub
[23:34] <xcv> it's a package, look at software management (system settings)
[23:37] <xcv> well, i suppose you can access the internet in some other way meanwhile (?)
[23:38] <snowmanbamf> what would it be under in system settings???  ive got common apperance and behavior, workspace apperance, network, hardware, system admin....  that's it
[23:38] <xcv> well, first of all
[23:39] <xcv> do you have a working internet connection in the laptop right now? (e.g. via cable)
[23:39] <snowmanbamf> can't find anything related to software management
[23:39] <xcv> wire, sorry
[23:40] <snowmanbamf> yes...  im using it...  via eithernet cable
[23:40] <xcv> okay, alt+f2, type kpackagekit and hit enter
[23:40] <xcv> did it work?
[23:41] <xcv> well, sorry, if it is 11.10, it should be using muon, right? can you see it in the menu?
[23:42] <snowmanbamf> nothing happened when I hit enter...  idk
[23:42] <xcv> okay, open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install -f kpackagekit
[23:43] <snowmanbamf> xcv, workin on it...
[23:43] <xcv> okay
[23:44] <tekoholic> Has anybody got any experience with K+1 (12.04) and networked audio via PA?  I can't get it to work, to save my skin...
[23:45] <snowmanbamf> xcv, done
[23:45] <snowmanbamf> now what
[23:45] <snowmanbamf> lol
[23:46] <xcv> now, we should get rid of muon, i tried it and i didn't like that
[23:46] <xcv> what happened?
[23:47] <xcv> snowmanbamf, sudo apt-get remove -f muon\*
[23:47] <snowmanbamf> xcv, I have a new comand line, but other than that I cant tell anything happened.....  hotkeys for wireless antenna still wont turn on
[23:48] <xcv> it's normal, you have just installed a package manager, nothing else
[23:48] <snowmanbamf> ok
[23:48] <snowmanbamf> removing muon....  which is what by the way???
[23:49] <xcv> it is a new package manager included in this new version, but in my opinion, the old one (kpackagekit) is easier to use
[23:49] <snowmanbamf> ok
[23:50] <xcv> done?
[23:50] <snowmanbamf> xcv, done
[23:50] <xcv> can you see software management in system settings (system admin) ?
[23:52] <snowmanbamf> YAY  :)
[23:52] <snowmanbamf> xcv, yep  :)
[23:52] <xcv> let's use it then :).
[23:52] <snowmanbamf> okey dokey
[23:53] <xcv> first of all, go to the updates section (left) and check if there is any, they may fix your problem (the easy way)
[23:53] <snowmanbamf> xcv, i opened it
[23:55] <snowmanbamf> 380 of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
[23:55] <xcv> LOL any kernel/linux update?
[23:56] <snowmanbamf> looking...  might take awhile...  lol
[23:57] <xcv> okay, however, they should be in alphabetic order, look for linux-.......................
[23:57] <snowmanbamf> is there a way to quick search???
[23:57] <snowmanbamf> ok
[23:59] <snowmanbamf> xcv, we got linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic,
[23:59] <xcv> version?
[23:59] <snowmanbamf> and this place is about to close....  gotta go...  I'm gonna go see if my friend is home so I can use his internet....


[13:14] <gary_poster> hey danilo, is it ok to assign bug 775691 to yellow, or did you not do that for a reason I should also consider?
[13:14] <_mup_> Bug #775691: Empty translations on one side do not get translated by the other side <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/775691 >
[13:14] <danilos> gary_poster, no particular reason, we can do it
[13:15] <gary_poster> ok thanks danilos
[13:22] <gary_poster> danilos, also do I understand correctly that that bug should be tagged "regression"?
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, hard to tell, I am pretty convinced this used to work, but since it could have worked only in the timeframe after January 15th or so, it's very limited grounds
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, also, I wouldn't put my money on "pretty convinced"
[13:23] <gary_poster> danilos, lol, ok
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, or well, 5 bucks I would, not more than that :)
[13:23] <gary_poster> heh
[13:27] <danilos> gary_poster, btw, responded to your email as well
[13:27] <gary_poster> cool, will look
[13:29] <benji> gary_poster: I have an HVAC guy who says he's coming at 8:30 so I may disappear for a few moments (assuming that any HVAC guy has ever showed up on time in the history of the universe).
[13:29] <gary_poster> :-) ok benji
[13:29] <gary_poster> oh and on that note
[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb call in 1-ish
[13:30] <bac> ok
[13:45] <danilos> gmb, https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-798521/+merge/65297 and I highlighted these few methods in my first reply (load_referencing/load_related)
[13:45] <gmb> danilos: Brilliant, thanks.
[13:51] <benji> grr, there's some key combination that I occasionally press that shifts all may workspaces "down" one row; for the life of me I can't figure out how to undo it
[14:03] <benji> danilos: is bug 775691 the one I should work on?
[14:03] <_mup_> Bug #775691: Empty translations on one side do not get translated by the other side <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/775691 >
[14:04] <danilos> benji, bug 734765 is a better candidate for now
[14:04] <_mup_> Bug #734765: Show linked upstream projects to the translatable templates in the +templates page <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/734765 >
[14:04] <benji> k
[14:12] <benji> danilos: so after reading the bug and your (very nice) writeup, this is my understanding: they wantthe "Linked upstream series" widget from a page like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-session/+sharing-details to be included as a colum on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates
[14:14] <benji> also, bug 704585 seems like it would be of interest if we want to fix the "we have to build URLs by hand to be fast enough to render the page" problem
[14:14] <_mup_> Bug #704585: canonical_url performs poorly <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/704585 >
[14:25] <gary_poster> gmb, may be a hair late for call; will ping
[14:26] <gmb> gary_poster: Okay. I need to leave no later than 14:55 for an appointment, so if we're going to overrun that, maybe it would be better to reschedule.
[14:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Sorry, 14:55 is of course 13:55 UTC
[14:36] <benji> danilos: does my above summary sound right?
[14:43]  * benji deals with the HVAC guy.
[14:48] <danilos> benji, sorry, got stuck in the middle of things
[14:48] <danilos> benji, so, generally, I'd start with only including the template name, like in dpm's mockup he attached to the bug a few hours ago
[14:49] <danilos> benji, I am not sure how trivial it is to transfer the stuff from +sharing-details, since that's for an entire SourcePackage, and one SourcePackage can have multiple templates
[14:50] <danilos> benji, also, gnome-session was probably a bad example (I couldn't find one with actual sharing templates), try https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptic/+sharing-details
[14:59]  * danilos grabs some food, should be back soon
[15:02] <benji> hmm, my (percieved) level of understanding of this bug just decreased
[15:02] <gary_poster> heh
[15:06] <benji> danilos: (when you get back) I don't understand "I'd start with only including the template name".  When I look at +templates (https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates) I already see template names.
[15:26] <danilos> benji, right, but these templates might be "linked" with templates in different product series
[15:27] <danilos> benji, it'd be nice to list those "linked templates" if there are any
[15:28] <danilos> benji, that's the core issue in the bug, imnsho, but let's have a call if you want when gary and I finish our call
[15:28] <benji> so there are templates there now (how are they associated with the source package?) and there are other templates that are linked (to a productseries?) that we also want to list, right?
[15:28] <benji> sounds good
[15:30] <danilos> benji, yeah, potemplate objects can be in a source package (identified by distroseries, sourcepackagename fields on the table) or in a product series ("productseries" column on the table); two templates where one is on a sourcepackage, other on productseries might be linked implicitely through the "packaging" table link (which has productseries, distroseries and sourcepackagename columns)
[15:51] <danilos> benji, ok, I am ready when you are :)
[15:51] <benji> danilos: calling you now
[15:53] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptic/+sharing-details
[15:59] <danilos> benji, http://translations.launchpad.net/synaptic/main/+templates
[16:00] <gary_poster> ..chr...
[16:02] <benji> danilos: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates/gno/
[16:04] <bac> gary_poster: hey, i've bumped into a permissions problem i'd like to bend your ear on
[16:05] <gary_poster> bac, ok
[16:11] <danilos> benji, https://launchpad.net/synaptic
[16:18] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+templates
[16:18] <danilos> show links to templates from https://translations.launchpad.dev/evolution/trunk/+templates
[16:20] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+source/evolution/+sharing-details
[16:21] <danilos> benji, "translations.sharing_information.enabled	default	1	on"
[16:23] <gary_poster> bac, assigned you commercial/Canonical internal https://support.one.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=2802
[16:24] <bac> gary_poster: yep, i've got to buy some new vouchers first
[16:25] <gary_poster> bac, not sure what you mean, but it's not a problem, yeah?
[16:25] <bac> gary_poster: no, not a problem.  my account has not commercial vouchers atm.  i must go get some from the canonical shop before i can do what brian requested
[16:26] <bac> no big deal, just me providing TMI
[16:26] <gary_poster> cool (I assume it is free for you)
[16:26] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:26] <bac> gary_poster: hurrah, i'm getting a 401 now!
[16:28] <gary_poster> bac, /me has now lost enough context to know if that really is good, or is sarcasm :-P  /me is also not sure where the 401 is coming from exactly--the webservice branch?
[16:28] <bac> no, that is good
[16:28] <gary_poster> cool
[16:29] <bac> no-priv trying to change mark's archive is now slapped with a 401
[16:29] <gary_poster> OIC
[16:29] <gary_poster> yay!
[16:29]  * benji wonders how sarcasm could ever not be good.
[16:30] <benji> ok, more dealing with the HVAC guy now
[16:32] <danilos> ok, /me is off, tty tomorrow
[16:32] <gary_poster> ttyl
[16:32] <danilos> benji, good luck with the HVAC guy and translations later :)
[17:12]  * gary_poster did CHR diligently, but did not get to project review
[17:12] <gary_poster> or registry tasks, but they usually are negligible  IME
[17:16]  * bac sends off branch to review.  lunches.
[19:31] <gary_poster> hey bac, ready?
[19:31] <bac> gary_poster: yes
[19:46] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/API/ImplementingAPIs
[21:00] <gary_poster> hey benji, tell me when you are ready
[21:01] <benji> gary_poster: calling you now
[21:01] <gary_poster> cool
[21:05] <benji> gary_poster: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Sprints/Thunderdome2011/Agenda#preview
[21:14] <bac> fancy new LP project "black.hole" -- Black Hole is a program that calculates prime and perfect numbers.
[21:14] <bac> sounds like something i did in FORTRAN about a zillion years ago


[00:07] <skorv> ok
[00:07] <skorv> finished
[00:07] <skorv> i installed all
[00:07] <skorv> how can i view gknome
[00:07] <skorv> gnome
[00:07] <skorv> since the server doesnt go to x
[00:08] <skorv> (new guy to linux trying a server config = crazy)
[00:10] <hads> skorv: A server doesn't typically have X installed.
[00:10] <skorv> i know
[00:10] <skorv> but i feel more at ease using it
[00:10] <skorv> need to install xampp and other stuff
[00:11] <skorv> graphics interface will make things easy for me at this point
[00:12] <hads> Well you would need to install it. Probably with the ubuntu-desktop meta package or something.
[00:12] <skorv> yea
[00:12] <skorv> i tryed it
[00:12] <skorv> will be nice to copy stull arround
[00:13] <skorv> still have a ntfs volume...
[00:13] <hads> You'll likeley receive more help with GUI things from the #ubuntu channel.
[00:13] <skorv> after i clean it how do i format it
[00:13] <skorv> i'm hopeless
[00:14] <skorv> just newb :(
[00:14] <hads> Reading the server guide will help
[00:14] <skorv> where can i find it... ubuntu site?
[00:14] <hads> /topic
[00:17] <skorv> thankz
[00:18] <skorv> to do this with little or no experience on linux is almost suicidal
[00:18] <skorv> but.... that's just me
[00:33] <skorv> any idea how do i set the num lock status on at boot ?
[01:41] <skorv> anyone here runs xampp?
[01:41] <skorv> got the virtual hosts working but now it adds a xampp/ to the url
[03:54] <slestak> does harder server have a firewall enabled by default that would block incoming ssh?  I did install openssh and started it.  can ssh to locahost, but cannot port forward 2201 on a hrhel host to a hardy vbos gurst
[03:55] <slestak> i am using the 8.04.1 livecd install
[03:55] <ropetin> It has ufw installed by default, but it's not enabled (at least it wasn't for me)
[03:56] <slestak> i saw that on reboot, said disabled but thought I would ask.  I am looking at server guide now
[03:56] <slestak> i have perfect outbound access, just get port refused on rhel host.
[03:57] <slestak> trying to run HH in a vbox vm
[03:57] <ropetin> You're connecting from the Ubuntu box to the RedHat one?
[03:58] <ropetin> How's the networking for both configured, are they contactable in other ways?  I.e. can you ping one to the other?
[03:58] <slestak> been lurking #vbox for 3 days but no joy yet.  no, vice versa.  rhel 5.2 host trying to connect to HH server guest.  have port 2201 forwarded to port 22 on guest.  set it up using the VBoxManage command
[03:58] <slestak> with nat + vbox, its documented that icmp will not respond.  i have perfect outbound connection with both boxes.
[03:59] <slestak> i dont want to use bridged tun0 setup for vm, the server is remote and im afraid i will bork sth
[03:59] <ropetin> Outbound to each other, or outbound to the world?
[03:59] <slestak> outboud to world.  nothing inbound to HH vm
[04:00] <slestak> i eventually will setup lamp test, but ssh was supposed to be the easy case :)
[04:00] <ropetin> True :D
[04:00] <slestak> trying to get ubuntu into my shop with tomcat to replace iis + servletexec
[04:01] <slestak> wheres our pastebin?  is 3 lines too much for this channel?
[04:18] <jfsc> I installed the server kernel but the Update Manager wants to reinstall the generic
[05:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #283031 in openssh (main) "package openssh-server 1:5.1p1-3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283031
[05:55] <gane> how to check the kernel features enabled or not through make menuconfig
[06:42] <sathish> hi to all
[06:43] <sathish> how to check performance of our DNS Server and dhcp server
[06:44] <gane> sathish, install some gui related packages
[06:45] <gane> how to check the kernel features enabled or not through make menuconfig
[06:51] <sathish> any server performance tools is there ?
[06:52] <sathish> i want to monitor DNS & DHCP & Proxy server Performance
[06:53] <sathish> can u give some suggestion ?
[06:55] <lukehasnoname> no idea from me
[06:58] <antdedyet> sathish: there are some round about way sto monitor bind's DNS performance using snmp with cacti and enabling query logs, but if you do A LOT of queries, this has a large potential to impact your service speed
[07:05] <henkjan> sathish: have a look at munin
[07:06] <henkjan> sathish: http://blog.gnist.org/article.php?story=MonitorBindWithMunin
[07:06] <sathish> henkjan, no
[07:07] <sathish> i will see
[07:07] <gane> how to check the kernel features enabled or not through make menuconfig
[07:22] <gane> how to check the kernel features enabled or not through make menuconfig
[07:39] <Technoviking> I got a dapper server that is hanging after starting kernel log
[07:39] <Technoviking> any ideas what would cause that
[07:45] <gane> how to check the kernel features enabled or not through make menuconfig
[08:51] <kraut> moin
[10:31] <hendrylee> what is the minimum diskspace possible with ubuntu jeos installation?
[10:33] <hads> Don't recall off the top of my head what the base is, a couple hundred meg from memory
[12:00] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #281909 in samba (main) "gvfsd-smb crashed when accessing network drive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281909
[12:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #282113 in samba (main) "gvfsd-smb crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282113
[13:02] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #283187 in apache2 (main) "package apache2.2-common 2.2.9-7ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283187
[13:41] <ganes> how to test the squid , is there any tool
[13:41] <ganes> how to test the squid performance , is there any tool
[14:41] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #283239 in openldap (main) "objectclass filter bug in rwm overlay module of slapd 2.4.9" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283239
[14:59] <slicslak> anyone out there using ssmtp?  I have it on a number of servers.  i'm assuming it's still the best for what it does?  (get mail off system to a mail hub).
[15:55] <Koon> slicslak: I'd say that, yes
[16:14] <slicslak> Koon, thanks.  just never know when the landscape has changed while I was busy elsewhere...
[18:02] <Owner_> hey can i use a 250gb drive on an ubuntu server as a share over the internet?
[18:03] <Owner_> hello?
[18:58] <mathiaz> nijaba: the "install minimal virtual machine" option leads to a 325 MB install
[18:58] <mathiaz> nijaba: it works on i386 - but fails on amd64
[19:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you have an intel x86_64 processor for you intrepid kvm host?
[19:12] <mathiaz> kirkland: nevermind my question above - I've found the issue
[19:27] <zul> i seriously hate php
[19:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, i almost universally use amd64 for hosts and guests
[19:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: unless i need to test something in i386
[21:52] <Technoviking> do I need to install a 64 bit version of server to use more than 4 GB of memory
[21:52] <Deeps> either that or use PAE
[21:53] <Technoviking> Deeps: is PAE instructions in the wiki?
[21:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #283431 in sysstat (universe) "sar, mpstat report extraneous CPU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283431
[22:04] <Deeps> Technoviking: no idea, have a look and see
[22:05] <Deeps> Technoviking: if it's not, you'll probably find something on google
[22:15] <slestak> hi.  i have installed ubuntu hardy server in a vm for a demo lamp machine.  ive looked at the server guide but I cannot determine if the mysql5 has a root user by default.  most of the docs I see presume it will.
[22:16] <slestak> but using mysqladmin with a -u just prints usage information.
[22:16] <slestak> i.e. /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root
[22:17] <slestak> i vrified with init.d/mysql that it is running
[22:31] <joebob777as7> where can I add custom dns lookups? i Tried  adding te.foo.com <IP_ADDRESS> to resolv.conf and the restarted networking with /etc/init.d/networking restart and it still can't find it...
[23:13] <skorv> hello
[23:13] <skorv> things are going nicely
[23:14] <skorv> one small question
[23:14] <skorv> how do i run a program automaticly every boot (like windows service)
[23:15] <hads> Who would you like to run it as and what type of program?
[23:15] <skorv> has to be runned as root
[23:15] <skorv> its an echoserver
[23:15] <skorv> from echogent
[23:16] <skorv> it allows me better management over vnc (i do remote support a lot)
[23:16] <skorv> thats one reason i changed to linux... faster and much more stable
[23:16] <hads> You'd typically run a daemon from a script in /etc/init.d/ and update-rc.d
[23:17] <skorv> ok
[23:17] <skorv> how do i create the script
[23:18] <lukehasnoname> You write a script file.. look up bash or zsh scripting on google
[23:18] <skorv> and it will run on boot....
[23:18] <skorv> great
[23:18] <hads> You can also run things from /etc/rc.local but an init script would be the preferred way
[23:18] <lukehasnoname> You'll set it's "mode" to executable, include it in the /etc/init.d folder, and create a link to it in one of the rc.d folders.
[23:18] <hads> (using update-rc.d)
[23:19] <skorv> in linux everything appears to be deadly complicated
[23:19] <hads> Depends what you're used to :)
[23:20] <skorv> so far i got apache to work with virtual hosts..... i know its basic but for me it feels like gold at the olimpics
[23:20] <hads> Good stuff
[23:20] <hads> Here's some results that should help; http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=creating+an+init+script+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[23:21] <skorv> i cna name the cript anything?
[23:21] <skorv> *script
[23:21] <skorv> can
[23:21] <skorv> damn keyboard
[23:21] <hads> Sure
[23:21] <skorv> (fingers most likely to be guilty)
[23:21] <skorv> k thanks
[23:22] <skorv> you ppl are trhe best... without your help i couldnt get this far
[23:41] <docta_v> i'm trying to add some module options for an ethernet driver (forcedeth)
[23:41] <docta_v> i added the line to /etc/modprobe.d/options
[23:41] <docta_v> but it doesn't look like the options are taking effect
[23:43] <docta_v> is there something i'm missing?


[02:09] <imgbot> [03:34] <imgbot> [03:34] <imgbot> [13:18] <popey> \o/ new calc, music and calendar in the store
[13:32] <popey> well, #57 seems buggered on my flo


[02:32] <etienne> Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
[02:33] <etienne> can't seem to find a way to do it...
[02:33] <etienne> Can somebody help me please
[02:36] <etienne> I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
[02:37] <etienne> Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:46] <bookpage> If a process has a user max stack size set, does it immediately get allocated the total amount of memory for its stack?
[02:47] <bookpage> i.e. if it had 10MB max stack size, then created 3 children, would they all have 10MB stacks too, and it would use 40MB of memory?
[02:48] <etienne> @bookpage I'm waiting for an answer for 10 minutes... Doesn't seem to have activity here at all...
[02:48] <etienne> maybe you can help me!
[02:48] <etienne> Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
 can't seem to find a way to do it...
 Can somebody help me please
 I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
 Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:52] <etienne> REPOST...PLEASE HELP!    Hi, I use Ubuntu 12.10 and i need to install some package found on this website : http://deve.loping.net/projects/ignoflash/downloads/
[02:52] <etienne> can't seem to find a way to do it...
[02:52] <etienne> Can somebody help me please
 I download the package from the 2nd link... Then I get a .tgz archive, which I extract....
[02:52] <etienne>  Then I don't know what to do next.....
[02:55] <etienne> So is there another channel or way to get help?
[02:56] <Unit193> etienne: It's generally not recommended to isntall stuff outside of the repo, but you can try #ubuntu
[02:57] <etienne> Thanks!
[03:12] <WeThePeople> anybody know how to fix a .ICEauthority file
[16:58] <albert_> I have an arch question but the arch room isn't working for me
[16:58] <albert_> and they just hate on me for being a nube when I ask questions anyway, so maybe here is better, if someone knows Arch
[17:00] <Unit193> Arch isn't supported here, no.
[17:01] <raub> Phryq: is it arch-specific or Linux in general?
[17:01] <Phryq> I don't know. I edited visudo the other day, and it broke my ability to run sudo
[17:01] <Phryq> or to 'su'
[17:02] <raub> That could be bad
[17:02] <Phryq> well, not exactly, only seems my ability to run the pacage manager as su - root is broken.
[17:02] <raub> But su should not be affected by sudo IMHO
[17:02] <Phryq> if I could edit visudo in the gui, then I think I can fix it
[17:03] <raub> Do it command line
[17:03] <Phryq> but being ultra nube, I only know how to type 'visudo' into a terminal, and don't really know how to edit it after doing that
[17:03] <raub> visudo is either running pico/nao or vi
[17:03] <raub> er nano
[17:03] <Phryq> (which is why I plan to switch to lubuntu after I fix this problem. I don't have time to learn Arch anymore).
[17:04] <Phryq> can I find visudo in a directory? like in Dolphin?
[17:04] <raub> the file visudo edit is called sudoers
[17:05] <raub> As in /etc/sudoers in both ubuntu and centos
[17:05] <Phryq> thanks
[17:05] <raub> But, root should not be affected by it AFAIK
[17:05] <Unit193> export EDITOR=nano   then do it, otherwise I'd recommend you looking at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo or maybe try ##linux ?
[17:06] <Phryq> I got into the Arch channel, but as usual they simply call me stupid for not knowing how to work linux. Don't know why Arch users are like that.
[17:06] <raub> Arch community expects people to know Linux well before using it
[17:07] <raub> Ubuntu likes to say it is Linux for the people
[17:07] <raub> so its community is more positive towards beginners
[17:08] <Phryq> ah. Ya, I think I should've started with Ubuntu in order to learn without being hated on. I think that Lubuntu is also relatively fast
[17:08] <raub> Also, ubuntu tends to work on whatever intel/amd-based box you are running out of the box
[17:09] <raub> Case in point: a girl I know has a X61 laptop. She spent like months trying to get it running properly on Windows 7 (tablet pressure stuff). Pen worked right from the get goin on ubuntu
[17:11] <Phryq> 12.10 is the newest, right?
[17:11] <raub> AFAIK, yeah
[17:12] <Phryq> ok, so I can't open sudoers without being root
[17:12] <raub> You will get it installed and up and running much faster than arch
[17:12] <Phryq> but when I open it in terminal I get errors
[17:12] <raub> That is to be expected. You need to be able to do su - and know the root pw
[17:13] <Phryq> well my arch is installed and running mostly, but I want to be able to run virtual machines, and instal some other things, and many things are a huge pain to do
[17:13] <raub> FYI, even on ubuntu you need to be nice to the sudoers file
[17:14] <Phryq> ya, I thought I was being careful but appreantly not. . .
[17:14] <Phryq> haha
[17:14] <raub> Happens with everyone
[17:15] <Phryq> ok, so from terminal, if I want to run sudoers file, I can't simply CD to the directory and type 'sudoers' right?
[17:15] <Phryq> I have to open a program? I tried opening Kwrite, but it gives me an error
[17:16] <raub> FYI, if you want to run virtual machines I would probably pick kvm(libvirt+qemu) or virtualbox. There is agood info on setting them up int he ubuntu wiki
[17:16] <raub> sudoers is a file. You would need an editor to look into it, like vi, nano, or whatever.
[17:17] <raub> But, if you do not have permissions you can't open it
[17:17] <Phryq> ok. I tried both KVM and virtualbox in Arch; each had different problems. I was about to instal VMware but gave up as I had to compile it from the AUR
[17:18] <Phryq> actually, I can open it using visudo, so maybe I should simply use that route
[17:18] <raub> I have run both in ubuntu; it is too easy to set them up
[17:18] <Phryq> but I can't make a '#' sign in visudo
[17:18] <Phryq> awesome
[17:18] <Phryq> which is faster? KVM?
[17:18] <raub> In the virtualbox site there are specific docs just to make it work in ubuntu
[17:19] <raub> Hmmm, probably. But in real life I think virtualbox is more convenient
[17:20] <raub> Specially if you want to create a vm and send to a friend running something else (windows, osx etc)
[17:21] <raub> Phryq: I do not know what editor arch is using for visudo. Maybe vi?
[17:21] <Phryq> I think
[17:21] <Phryq> it's an editor inside the terminal
[17:22] <raub> I know very little of arch; I use ubuntu at work and for my personal laptop. And centos for my home server.
[17:24] <holstein> Phryq: there is a root recovery terminal in the recovery kernel at boot
[17:25] <raub> holstein: I do think he would be happier running ubuntu as the host OS and then playing with arch in a vm.
[17:26] <holstein> happy is a matter of opinion
[17:26] <holstein> the tools are pretty much the same.. i would go with which one fits needs best
[17:26] <Phryq> I just want to fix my sudoers file, so I can instal unetbootin, so I can put ubuntu onto a flash drive, rawr!
[17:26] <Phryq> maybe there's an easier way to run unetbootin
[17:26] <holstein> Phryq: you can use the root recovery console
[17:26] <Phryq> how do I do that?
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you choose the recovery kernel i mentioned.. at boot..
[17:27] <Phryq> Ah, my computer doesn't boot like that
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you boot the recovery kernel instead of the normal kernel.. choose "root shell" or whatever it is
[17:27] <Phryq> I start with a terminal, log into root
[17:27] <Phryq> then I run lxdm
[17:27] <raub> If oyu log into root,
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: you have grub and ubuntu.. so you have a recovery kernel
[17:27] <holstein> Phryq: this is pre-x... pre login
[17:28] <Phryq> I'm running arch, not ubuntu
[17:28] <raub> But, if he can login as root, he can edit the file
[17:28] <raub> pre-x
[17:28] <holstein> Phryq: im sure there is something similar.. a recovery console.. you can always edit what you broke from a live CD as well
[17:28] <holstein> KVM and virtualbox are really quite different
[17:29] <holstein> KVM is a bare metal hypervisor.. virtualbox is for virtualizing a "machine"
[17:30] <holstein> again, one might fit your needs better than the other.. or be faster for some certain tasks
[17:31] <Phryq> I could edit sudoers with kwrite, right??
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: you edit a text file with a text editor
[17:31] <Phryq> I need it for 2 things. 1 to run a music notation program, which requires lots of audio/midi
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: kwrite is one of those.. so is nano.. gedit..
[17:31] <holstein> Phryq: it?
[17:31] <Phryq> and 2 to run Tails, so that I can look up things from my highly censored country
[17:31] <holstein> ubuntustudio runs great live.. so does AVLinux
[17:32]  * holstein is a music professional
[17:32] <holstein> again, the applications are mostly the same,, if not exactly the same.. really depends on if you need/want arch or ubuntu
[17:33] <Phryq> Ah. I used to run Ubuntu studio, back in version 9
[17:33] <Phryq> 9.04
[17:33] <holstein> 1 music notation program does *not* require lots of audio/midi
[17:33] <Phryq> I tried all the notation programs. None met my needs. Musescore was closest, but I couldn't make it work
[17:33] <holstein> heres one that runs in the browser http://www.noteflight.com/login requiring only a browser on the local machine
[17:33] <holstein> Phryq: you chose not to use it
[17:34] <holstein> Phryq: again, musescore works great, *if* it meets your needs
[17:34] <holstein> still, no notation editors require much... most dont even pull in JACK
[17:35] <holstein> we dont need to debate any of that though... nor what is "better".. you just say what you need, and a volunteer can help you get there
[17:37] <Phryq> ya, I don't think I need a lot of what studio offers atm. I don't need a real time kernel
[17:37] <Phryq> though having jack etc. settup is convinient
[17:38] <Phryq> but I've already downloaded Lubuntu, and my connection is too slow to download another right now
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: i dont think you need it either
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: i dont agree that the music notation editor requires a lot of audio/midi
[17:40] <holstein> Phryq: what im saying is, *if* it does, or you think it does, you can always use a live CD
[17:41] <holstein> thus, taking advantage of the ubuntustudio ecosystem while maintaining the above stance "i dont need a lot of what studio offers"
[17:41] <holstein> you wont have anything installed locally
[17:41] <holstein> Phryq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_Debugging#Repairing_with_Arch_live-cd
[17:43] <Phryq> I use Sibelius as my notation on windows. When I use it, there is a ridiculous amount of overhead.
[17:43] <Phryq> I go poweruser to the extreme with that program
[17:44] <holstein> Phryq: as far as i know, its windows only
[17:44] <holstein> Phryq: there is nothing about linux/ubuntu that is preventing sibelius from being written for linux
[17:47] <holstein> sibelius is "self contained" though, and doesnt "require" any more midi/audio applications
[17:48] <Phryq> ya, I wish Sibelius were written for liiinux
[17:48] <Phryq> appearently version 5 works ok through Wine, but not 7
[17:48] <Phryq> 5 would be ok if it were 64 bit
[17:53] <holstein> i find it easier when folks dont use any software, rather than coming to linux with a work flow they are used to
[17:53] <holstein> i *know* musescore can do what you want.. but you are used to sibelius
[17:54] <holstein> and thats fine, but if you had no experience with sibelius, you would just use musescore, and figure it out
[17:54] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1124
[18:02] <Phryq> can musescore use vsts?
[18:03] <holstein> Phryq: the creator of *any* of those vst's you are asking about can make them compatible/useable in linux/ubuntu
[18:04] <holstein> Phryq: musescore can connect with anything JACK can... which is most all native applications
[18:04] <holstein> i assume you are trying to route musecore to instruments
[18:05] <holstein> KXstudio has done lots of work to get windows vst support in a nice ubuntu based distro
[18:05] <holstein> i personally dont bother with windows software in linux
[18:05] <holstein> you can always export the project and import the midi data into windows
[18:06] <holstein> Phryq: the short answer is.. musescore can use any vst's it is allowed to use
[18:06] <Phryq> ok
[18:07] <Phryq> I know reaper in linux  through wine can use many windows vsts
[18:07] <Phryq> I wonder if musescore could do the same
[18:07] <holstein> Phryq: again.. any vst's its allowed to use
[18:07] <holstein> you also dont have to "wonder".. you can fire up a live CD and know
[18:07] <holstein> i personally dont bother
[18:07] <holstein> you can also ask in #kxstudio
[18:08] <holstein> i think those guys know what from the windows vst's can work
[18:08] <holstein> i know 32bit is easier, if not manditory
[23:45] <Atlantic777> Hi guys! It seems that the link "join now" ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) on this page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam ) doesn't work.
[23:46] <Atlantic777> I'm logged in on launchpad and I keep getting this message: Invalid OpenID transaction
[23:46] <Atlantic777> Is it only me or the link is wrong/broken somehow?
[23:48] <holstein> Atlantic777: "join us" ?
[23:49] <Atlantic777> holstein: sorry, I pasted the wrong link https://login.launchpad.net/pWfXlTTFK1CH4DRb/+decide
[23:49] <Atlantic777> it's actually "join now"
[23:49] <Atlantic777> in getting started section
[23:50] <holstein> Atlantic777: ok.. i see the error. where is the link?
[23:51] <Unit193> Launchpad can be known to be cranky, but I'd try either another browser, or clearing the cache/cookies.
[23:51] <Atlantic777> holstein: in the getting started section of the Beginners Team main wiki page.
[23:53] <holstein> Unit193: are you looking at it?
[23:53] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam#Getting_Started
[23:53] <holstein> i dont want to lock anyone out...
[23:55] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners I think he's talking about the join button there?
[23:58] <holstein> Atlantic777: that should do it... thanks for the heads up!
[23:59] <Atlantic777> Oook. Thanks. :)