[08:44] <orated> What is the term to fix a package so that it is not update/upgraded etc ?
[08:44] <mint> which method will fill up the usb drive in LESS time?: live with persistent save or full install to usb?
[08:44] <orated> I forgot the term
[08:45] <dvhh> dRounse : yes
[08:45] <dRounse> dvhh: ok thanks for the help
[08:45] <urfr332g0> mint, persistent can't be cleaned and can't get kernel upgrade.
[08:46] <urfr332g0> orated, you can pin in synaptic if you have it.
[08:46] <mint> so im better to install straight to usb if i dont want to fill up the drive?
[08:46] <orated> urfr332g0: Pinning! Thanks
[08:46] <dvhh> dRounse : np
[08:47] <urfr332g0> mint, yes basically, is it a thumb or HD?
[08:47] <urfr332g0> flash or disc
[08:47] <mint> flash drive
[08:48] <urfr332g0> mint, will run a little slower then a install to a external disc, maybe more hard to say.
[08:48] <urfr332g0> internal*
[08:48] <mint> i was hoping that a full install would help with not filling up the drive so fast
[08:48] <mint> i want to use a 2gb stick for as long as possible
[08:49] <mint> with this persistent save i just did, i have already fillied up the drive on the first boot
[08:49] <urfr332g0> mint, full install can be kept at install size with cleaning the cache etc
[08:49] <mint> then that is clearly the way to go
[08:49] <urfr332g0> mint, 2 gigs is to small for a standard install.
[08:50] <urfr332g0> mint, you would need\
[08:50] <mint> 8?
[08:50] <urfr332g0> mint, ubuntu wants a 4.2 size space to install in standard install even though tye install is about 3 gigs
[08:51] <urfr332g0> the*
[08:51] <mint> i see
[08:51] <Braden`> Is there a way to force install ubuntu even if you don't have 4.5 gigs?
[08:51] <Braden`> I am not going to be installing xwindows, gnome, or anything like that
[08:52] <Seryth> Hey all, I'm having real trouble with pulseaudio. It was working fine a couple of days ago, and now it's suddenly not working. In the xfce volume control icon, instead of seeing my soundcard and stuff listed, it just says "Playback: Dummy Output (PulseAudio Mixer)" and the other option is "Capture: Monitor of Dummy Output (PulseAudio Mixer). This is really weird, I've not seen these before. What can I do? I wnt sound back ;__;
[08:52] <urfr332g0> mint, there is a minimal/net install not sure of the limitations there.
[08:53] <mint> i dont mind using a bigger drive.. i just wish i could use a 2gb stick with the persistent save method. so far it just fills up insanely fast
[08:53] <dRounse> if i use freenas can i grab things from usenet and torrents directly to it or do i need to have them go to a computer first
[08:53] <urfr332g0> Braden`, not that I know of, kind of a waste of time to be honest.
[08:54] <opalepatrick> I created a ext4 partition using gparted. I want it to have all my docs etc and have them available if I use another distro on another  partition. Can I just auto mount this partition as root?
[08:55] <niklasfi> opalepatrick: what do you mean by "as root" shurely you can, if you are root in your system
[08:55] <urfr332g0> opalepatrick, why would yhou want root, and name another distrom eh.
[08:56] <ServerSage> opalepatrick: You just want it to mount every time you reboot, correct?  If so, take a look at your /etc/fstab file.
[08:56] <dRounse> opalepatrick: dont put it in root, just leave it where it is and if you wanna change distros it needs to be in the same "family"
[08:57] <urfr332g0> dRounse, what is your definition of family?
[08:57] <dRounse> debian, ubuntu and mint are in the same family
[08:57] <dRounse> they are all debian based
[08:57] <urfr332g0> dRounse, lol
[08:57] <dRounse> and ive never had trouble changing the distro and leaving the files intact
[08:58] <ServerSage> dRounse: Why does that matter?  You can mount and ext4 partition under just about any distro.
[08:58] <dRounse> ServerSage: he was talking about mounting it in root so it stays when he changes distros
[08:59] <ServerSage> dRounse: I took it as he wanted to mount it at boot AS root.
[08:59] <urfr332g0> dRounse, which was a error in the question most open source does not run in root.
[09:00] <ServerSage> opalepatrick: Suppose you could clarify what it is you actually want to do since we are obviously confused..?
[09:00] <dRounse> ServerSage: oh, im so confused right now lol was he wrong or was i?
[09:00] <ServerSage> dRounse: Confusion is abundant!  Hehe.
[09:00] <urfr332g0> dRounse, you bothe are. :)
[09:00] <dRounse> how am i wrong?
[09:00] <dRounse> i think youre wrong
[09:01] <dRounse> ! | wrong
[09:01] <dRounse> urfr332g0 is the definition of wrong
[09:01] <dRounse> ;)
[09:01] <urfr332g0> dRounse, the use of family means nothing, most open source does not run in root, mounting a media disc in root is only applicable if the OS runs in root.
[09:02] <dRounse> urfr332g0 i was saying he didnt need anything in root, because if he wanted to change distros all his files would remain untouched
[09:02] <Hamed> every time i open my laptop I write this command to enable wifi sudo modprobe b43 is there any way to stop writing it every time ?
[09:02] <ServerSage> urfr332g0: Are you drinking?  :)
[09:02] <urfr332g0> ServerSage, I don't drink
[09:03] <ServerSage> Hamed: Take a look at /etc/modules and /etc/modules.d
[09:03] <dRounse> ServerSage, urfr332g0, i think we are all talking about different things
[09:03] <urfr332g0> it was a question that made no sense in substance, no mention of any distro and a want of root in a media partition.
[09:04] <dRounse> I created a ext4 partition using gparted. I want it to have all my docs etc and have them available if I use another distro on another  partition. Can I just auto mount this partition as root?
[09:04] <dRounse> thats what he wrote
[09:04] <urfr332g0> In the words of buckwheat OTAY.
[09:04] <urfr332g0> ;)
[09:04] <Dr_willis> dRounse:  you will need to mount it and change the ownership and permissions as needed.
[09:04] <ServerSage> dRounse urfr332g0: Since he isn't responding, we can safely move on.
[09:05] <ServerSage> Dr_willis: He wasn't asking, he was reposting somebody's else's question.  :)
[09:05] <opalepatrick> Yes sorry called away - ServerSage, dRounse - actually I think I was getting confused thinking the file system was 'inside' the distro structure. The fstab ref is the one I want I believe.
[09:05] <dRounse> ServerSage are you good with servers? i have a serious question
[09:05] <ServerSage> dRounse: Hit me.
[09:05] <urfr332g0> ServerSage, lol you were responding as well not quite the hiogher road bro. ;)
[09:05] <urfr332g0> higher
[09:06] <dRounse> is freenas 8 with ssh like an ubuntu server with ssh?
[09:06] <Dr_willis> I thought Freenas was BSD based
[09:06] <dRounse> i want to be able to access my files from not only my home network
[09:06] <ServerSage> urfr332g0: Not sure I said anything about higher roads…but you feel free to read anything you want into what I say.  *shrug*
[09:06] <dRounse> Dr_willis: it is
[09:06] <ServerSage> dRounse: Ummm, not sure what your question even means.  BSD != ubuntu
[09:07] <Dr_willis> and its very specilized. :)  for the job its designed to do.
[09:07] <urfr332g0> ServerSage, lol
[09:08] <ServerSage> dRounse: If you are asking if BSD is the same as Ubuntu, no.  :)
[09:08] <dRounse> well i know freeNAS is a NAS OS and ubuntu is a server OS, will they both do the same thing? I want it to server home media, and other files, to my desktop, laptop, tablet, etc... as well as serve my files to me while im not home
[09:08] <dRounse> ii know its not the same thing
[09:08] <ServerSage> dRounse: You can use Ubuntu as a NAS device.
[09:09] <ServerSage> dRounse: And you can use Ubuntu to serve up all your goodies to all the other systems on your network.
[09:09] <dRounse> but i saw that freeNAS 8 haas lot of new features that make it seem more like a file server
[09:09] <u890> hello, I want to convert images files from TIFF to JPG format. This command "convert *.tiff *.jpg" works, but leaves out filenames with spaces. How should I change that command to add files with spaces?
[09:09] <Dr_willis> theres also specific 'services' designed for streaming/converting to tablets and so forth on the fly  -  like mobli i belive.
[09:09] <dRounse> i am just having trouble with ubuntu and freeNAS seems easier as far as the server
[09:09] <dRounse> i use ubuntu on my desktop
[09:10] <Dr_willis> u890:  you may need to use the 'find' command and do some quoteing around teh file names argument.  It was working fine a couple of days ago, and now it's suddenly not working. In the xfce volume control icon, instead of seeing my soundcard and stuff listed, it just says "Playback: Dummy Output (PulseAudio Mixer)" and the other option is "Capture: Monitor of Dummy Output (PulseAudio Mixer). This is really weird, I've not seen these before. What can I do? I want sound back ;__;
[09:10] <opalepatrick> just read that thread lol -  basically I was thinking ubuntu & app files etc on partition1, myfiles on partition 2, partition 3 for testing other distros. Should have told you at the start instead of giving u my thinking halfway through
[09:10] <ServerSage> dRounse: Are you looking to replace a FreeNAS setup with Ubuntu?
[09:11] <dRounse> ServerSage, kind of the other way around, basically is freenas less powerful as far as serving up goodies?
[09:11] <ServerSage> dRounse: I have limited FreeNAS experience, but in my limited use it did everything I needed.  I didn't find it lacking for serving up files.
[09:12] <u890> thank you, Dr. I will remember from now on to not use spaces. But can you perhaps show me how exactly use that 'find' command?
[09:12] <Hamed> lp
[09:12] <Hamed> (11:08:13 AM) Hamed: b43 this is my moudules file do you want me write sudo modprobe b43 after this lines
[09:12] <Dr_willis> dRounse:  it will depend on how you are 'serving' things. what service.  I dont see things like 'upnp' streaming services mentioned in the freenas docs.
[09:12] <ServerSage> dRounse: But, Ubuntu CAN do everything FreeNAS can do.
[09:12] <Dr_willis> u890:  not really. id have to look up find examples.
[09:13] <dRounse> ok so which would you prefer?
[09:13] <ServerSage> Hamed: Take a look at /etc/modules and /etc/modules.d - just like I said when you posted last time.  :)
[09:13] <Dr_willis> u890:  checkout  the various find examples and find  with spaces in filenames
[09:13] <ServerSage> dRounse: Ubuntu
[09:13] <u890> ok, I'll try to find something in the internet. Thanks for your help.
[09:13] <poyntz> Hi, I want to mount a Sandisk key but I don't know where it is. I mounted all the /dev/sda* to different folders and none of them are the SanDisk key
[09:13] <Dr_willis> dRounse:  it will totally depend on the details. Freenas is designed to be a fileserver as its main thing.   its not as flexiable as a ubuntu box would be. but its more focused to the task
[09:13] <sgo11> hi, gnome3 gnome-shell, ctrl+alt+shift+R for recording the screen, is that possible to pause? how to? thanks.
[09:13] <ServerSage> dRounse: Simply because it's easier to do *more*.  FreeNAS is built to do just one thing and one thing well, be a NAS divice.
[09:14] <poyntz> how can I detect the /dev/<file> or whatever in order to mount the Sandisk
[09:14] <themonitor> poyntz: dmesg
[09:14] <dRounse> ServerSage: ok when i installed ubuntu earlier it booted and then hung on a page with an orange "_" then the next time i booted it hung on a page with a white "_"
[09:14] <poyntz> themonitor: dmesg|grep Sandisk?
[09:15] <poyntz> themonitor: I tried dmesg and it dumped a ton of output and a few errors
[09:15] <ServerSage> dRounse: Before or after GRUB?
[09:15] <dRounse> after
[09:15] <Hamed> what can i do after take alook to this file ?
[09:16] <themonitor> poyntz: right after you plug the device in run dmesg|tail should give you the last device.
[09:16] <urfr332g0> poyntz, run sudo fdisk -l in the terminal
[09:16] <Dr_willis> the blkid  command may also show what device the sandisk is
[09:16] <poyntz> themonitor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/845526/
[09:16] <ServerSage> dRounse: Have you tried to disable splash in grub to see if it's reporting anything?
[09:17] <poyntz> urfr332g0: I thought I mounted that already, I'll try again
[09:17] <dRounse> no, im going to try reintalling it on a different hdd that one always gives me trouble
[09:17] <ServerSage> dRounse: I should kick you in the shin.  :)
[09:18] <poyntz> urfr332g0: that worked :). thanks
[09:18] <urfr332g0> poyntz, cool
[09:18] <dRounse> well its late and i just want this server up and running ive been running into problem after problem with hardware and software
[09:18] <themonitor> poyntz: did it tell you sr0
[09:18] <dRounse> ive been trying a little bit everyday for over a month
[09:18] <poyntz> themonitor: it told me sdb1, i then mounted it and it was the right one :D
[09:19] <Dr_willis> dRounse:  dependign on the hardware bsd may have less support  then linux does..
[09:19] <poyntz> themonitor: thanks for offering a suggestion anyhow :)
[09:19] <themonitor> poyntz: I see. cool.
[09:19] <ServerSage> dRounse: I'm not sure BSD would be a good way to go then.
[09:19] <ServerSage> dRounse: Dr_willis said it best.  :)
[09:19] <Dr_willis> a cli only headless server.. wouldent need much int he way of hardware however.
[09:19] <dRounse> ServerSage: no ive completely changed all of the hardware from my original try
[09:19] <Dr_willis> so i have to wonder what issues you have been having.
[09:20] <ServerSage> dRounse: You shouldn't be hanging at an _ then.  Do you have any USB devices plugged in that might be buggered?
[09:20] <ServerSage> dRounse: I have a USB wifi adapter that causes Ubuntu to hang like that.
[09:20] <Dr_willis> good amounts- o-ram and loads-o-hd space -> happy server. :)
[09:20] <poyntz> urfr332g0: how do you remember that fdisk stands for partion table list?
[09:21] <poyntz> urfr332g0: *partition
[09:21] <Dr_willis> poyntz:  the fdisk command has been around for.. like generations. :)
[09:21] <outrage> Hi does anyone here run an ATI/AMD card on their Ubuntu???
[09:21] <poyntz> lol
[09:21] <urfr332g0> poyntz, practice, practice, practice. :)
[09:21] <crizzy> outrage: yes, hd6870
[09:21] <poyntz> Dr_willis: but still, what's fdisk actually stand for? :P
[09:21] <Dr_willis> format disk - perhaps.
[09:22] <urfr332g0> find disc?
[09:22] <boba88> my second display is not detected, before hand i got set it using displays detect monitor
[09:22] <urfr332g0> more likely format though
[09:22] <themonitor> poyntz: You become familiar with command names after a while.
[09:22] <poyntz> Dr_willis, urfr332g0: sorry to be naive but why not fpartition? :P
[09:22] <Dr_willis> poyntz:  rember theres NO   n in umount either. :)
[09:22] <dRounse> it was first the motherboard of one of the, well the processor, linux kernel 3 doesnt support p4 yet, but i didnt know tht until i had tried a gazzilion times, then the nic card on the next mobo i tried wasnt working so i had to buy a new one, but its an athlon ii which is more powerful than the celeron d i had as a desktop so i switched and now the server is on the celeron d mobo
[09:22] <outrage> crizzy, I have an issue with my graphics display. I have installed the latest  ATI driver for my 6670 and my Ubuntu runs like XP without the drivers i.e. slow desktop performance etc
[09:22] <boba88> anyone has an idea how to get my second monitor running
[09:22] <urfr332g0> poyntz, don't know realy.
[09:22] <Dr_willis> poyntz:  years ago you were limited in the legenth of file names.
[09:23] <poyntz> Dr_willis, urfr332g0 : ahh that makes sense :)
[09:23] <Dr_willis> good old 8.3 days   and befor  - even more limits.
[09:23] <crizzy> outrage: so you have proprietary driver installed?
[09:23] <arkiver> Hello. i am using ubuntu 11.10 . recently while i try to update , update stops and i get the following message:
[09:23]  * Dr_willis will take computer history for $300
[09:23] <arkiver> http://pastebin.com/LtfmA8Qu
[09:23] <arkiver> bcz of this my update stops. what do i do ?
[09:23] <crizzy> outrage: and the 3D itself works, but compiz is slow/laggy?
[09:23] <ServerSage> dRounse: Huh?  Kernel v3 doesn't support a P4?
[09:23] <arkiver> can anyone help  ?
[09:23] <poyntz> Dr_willis, urfr332g0 : you'll hate me for asking this, but how well does Mac OS X Snow Leapard run under Grub2?
[09:23] <urfr332g0> poyntz, I would have to refer to the Dr though.
[09:23] <dRounse> ServerSage: correct
[09:24] <Dr_willis> poyntz:  no idea. i dont touch macs.
[09:24] <outrage> crizzy, at the moment its enabled.
[09:24] <urfr332g0> poyntz, we can't really help with hackintosh
[09:24] <crizzy> outrage: have you tested with any 3D game that it works well?
[09:24] <crizzy> outrage: you use unity/compiz?
[09:24] <ServerSage> dRounse: I think you may be mistaken.  P4 support has been in the kernel for a very, very long time.
[09:24] <Dr_willis> Mac Hardware needs some other bootloader i thought
[09:24] <poyntz> urfr332g0: that's alright, I figured it's a grub2 question, so possibly in your domain :P
[09:24] <outrage> crizzy, I dont think so.
[09:24] <urfr332g0> poyntz, the web is your muse. :)
[09:25] <crizzy> outrage: so do you use unity or not?
[09:25] <outrage> crizzy,  what is unity? a version of ubuntu?
[09:25] <tarelerulz> How different is 10.10 from 11.04 ?
[09:25] <dRounse> trust me i tried with every distro imaginable, then in the forums a guy said he had the same prob so i installed 10.10 and it worked like a charm, you can update to 11.10 but you cant do a live cd
[09:25] <crizzy> outrage: ui in ubuntu since 11.04
[09:25] <poyntz> urfr332g0, Dr_willis : well thanks again. I'll check out google and see if it knows the answer :)
[09:25] <themonitor> arkiver: try running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from the term.
[09:25] <poyntz> ciao people
[09:26] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, different desktop, 11.04 has unity.
[09:26] <crizzy> outrage: does your desktop look like in this pic: http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/www.ubuntu.com/files/active/02_ubuntu/U_homepage/frontpage-laptop_l1.jpg
[09:26] <ServerSage> dRounse: I'm looking right at it, P4 support in v3 of the kernel.
[09:26] <outrage> crizzy,  no my desktop does not look like that
[09:26] <outrage> crizzy, I log in using the classic display
[09:26] <crizzy> outrage: ok, anyway, take a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/38028/performance-being-really-choppy-with-ati-drivers the top answer
[09:27] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, 10.10 is the last gnome 2 release.
[09:27] <crizzy> it's likely what you're experiencing anyway
[09:27] <crizzy> (crappy vsync settings in compiz)
[09:27] <ServerSage> dRounse: Where is this forum post where somebody told you it is not supported?
[09:27] <dRounse> ServerSage it can support it but you cant use a live usb or cd with kernel v3
[09:27] <ServerSage> dRounse: Whoever told you that was blowing smoke up your back side.
[09:28] <ServerSage> dRounse: While it may not work on your system, it has nothing to do with it being a P4.  More likely, it has to do with your BIOS or CD/DVD drive.
[09:28] <dRounse> ServerSage well he helped me cuz he said to use a distro with kernel v2 and it worked, you can upgrade to kernel v3
[09:28] <tarelerulz> Is there KDE Still or everything unity
[09:28] <Dr_willis> tarelerulz:  KDE is still alive and well.
[09:28] <ServerSage> dRounse: I wanna see this forum post.  :)
[09:28] <Dr_willis> as is Lxde, xfce,
[09:28] <themonitor> tarelerulz: kubuntu.com
[09:29] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, kde yes
[09:29] <outrage> crizzy, must I restart the computer for changes to take effect??
[09:29] <crizzy> outrage: should work right the way i think
[09:29] <crizzy> outrage: at least relogin should be enough
[09:30] <tarelerulz> Officially everything is the unity ui  ?
[09:30] <outrage> crizzy,  its still remained the same. I had compiz installed before. I followed the top answer but my cpu usage goes above 70% when moving windows across my screen
[09:30] <dRounse> ServerSage sorry he didnt say it didnt support it, someone on here said it didnt and that it would be supported in 12.04
[09:30] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, ubuntu is unity
[09:30] <dRounse> the forum said he had trouble like me and the only way to get v3 is to update
[09:30] <Dr_willis> tarelerulz:  ubuntu uses unity. kubuntu uses kde.. lubuntuy uses lxde...
[09:31] <ServerSage> dRounse: Ubuntu 11.10 != kernel 3.0.  While Ubuntu uses the 3.0 kernel, it has nothing to do with the kernel supporting it.  If Ubuntu chooses to not compile in support that is one thing.
[09:31] <dRounse> tarelerulz: canonical has left kubuntu and its now a community distro, kde is still alive so is kubuntu
[09:31] <crizzy> outrage: further than that, i have no idea
[09:32] <dRounse> why am i guest?
[09:32] <outrage> crizzy,  I appreciate your help so far.
[09:32] <dRounse> oh wait thats not menvm
[09:32] <outrage> crizzy,  what drivers are you running for your 6870??
[09:32] <ServerSage> dRounse: And I can honestly say I have NO idea if Ubuntu included P4 support or not, I can't see how - or why - they wouldn't have.  I haven't seen or run a P4 in …. years.
[09:32] <tarelerulz> I put stuff on my NTFS partition where windows7 home perium lives and when I boot back into windows files get deleted.   Is that fixed in the newer versions ?
[09:32] <crizzy> umm, default ones of ubuntu 11.10
[09:33] <crizzy> at the moment
[09:33] <outrage> So you have the propriety drivers activated correct?
[09:33] <crizzy> yes
[09:33] <outrage> and ServerSage I am running a pentium 4
[09:33] <crizzy> works fine
[09:33] <outrage> crizzy, ok
[09:33] <outrage> strange.
[09:33] <crizzy> playing Warsow daily
[09:33] <crizzy> :-)
[09:33] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, your best to have a shared ntfs partition
[09:33] <outrage> interesting.
[09:34] <outrage> what games can I download/test to see if my drivers are truly functioning properly
[09:34] <crizzy> i did test latest 12.1 catalyst too, no probs with that either
[09:34] <ServerSage> dRounse: See, outrage is even running a P4.  :)  Thus proving both that K v3 supports it, and that Ubuntu included support.
[09:35] <dRounse> gahhh ServerSage i know it supports it but for somereason it wont boot, and he never specified what kernel hes running
[09:35] <ServerSage> dRounse: So again, whomever told you that it did not support a P4 was blowing smoke up the rear side of your khakis.  Like I said, if you can't boot a Live CD/DVD/USB then chances are your BIOS or DVD rom are the problem.
[09:35] <tarelerulz> A partition  between  windows and Ubuntu ? would I still not have the same problem?
[09:35] <outrage> I'm going to uninstall and reinstall drivers and see what happens.
[09:35] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, shouldn't, but to be honest yours makes no sense, without more details
[09:35] <greenit> hi, i have a problem: i am writing an email, but when i toggle the email-window to full-screen the text is not end in the line like it does before.... can i change this behavior anyhow or do i just have to press enter everytime i want the line to end?
[09:36] <ServerSage> greenit: Huh?
[09:36] <outrage> I'm running 11.04, crizzy would you recommend updating to 11.10 or not?
[09:37] <themonitor> greenit: When the window isn't full-screen the text just wraps to the next line so you can read it...
[09:37] <dRounse> is webmin safe on ubuntu
[09:37] <crizzy> outrage: 11.10 won't have classic desktop anymore :)
[09:37] <outrage> ah yeah that would be a problem
[09:37] <crizzy> outrage: i didn't have any probs with ati in 11.04 either, though
[09:37] <crizzy> outrage: but unity nowadays is just fine, give it a chance :)
[09:37] <crizzy> only thing that pissed me off was autohiding panel
[09:38] <tarelerulz> Do any of you dual boot?  Do any of you run both windows 7 home perium  and Ubuntu 10.10?
[09:38] <outrage> I can get unity running on 11.04 its not aproblem
[09:38] <crizzy> but that's easy to disable.. and hiding is gone altogether in 12.04
[09:38] <crizzy> outrage: yeah but it was first unity versions.. it's considerably more annoying than 11.10/12.04 versions
[09:38] <outrage> my only problem is just ubuntu is like xp with a graphics card and no driver.
[09:38] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, I have 5 OS one is W7 the rest are 3 ubuntus and a fedora
[09:38] <themonitor> tarelerulz: I have and I've never had a problem like that. How did you set up your ntfs partition?
[09:39] <outrage> Is there a difference between propriety drivers and downloading the driver off AMD site crizzy ?
[09:39] <crizzy> well, amd site has newer ones
[09:39] <Dr_willis> outrage,  use the ones from the repos if they work.
[09:39] <Dr_willis> newer ones may or may not work
[09:39] <crizzy> they work just fine
[09:39] <outrage> Dr_willis, repos??
[09:39] <crizzy> not TOO hard to install either
[09:39] <Dr_willis> !repo
[09:39] <Dr_willis> They MAY or May NOT work.
[09:39] <crizzy> they do work
[09:39] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, make sure you have ntfs-3g installed
[09:39] <greenit> themonitor, can i change this behavior, for example that the line does not get longer so that it fits on an a4-site?
[09:39] <tarelerulz> It is the same ntfs partition windows 7 runs on .  I mount it with ntfs-3g in Ubuntu 10.10 .  That is how I have  it set up
[09:39] <Dr_willis> and installing them from the company site - i belive is not supported by this channel
[09:40] <outrage> I've installed the latest 12.1 drivers for ATI and they worked but I still had the same problem as now
[09:40] <crizzy> however i doubt it'll solve anything for you
[09:40] <themonitor> greenit: I don't think so.
[09:40] <Dr_willis> It all depends on the card and versions and other things. if the newer drivers work, or cause more problems.
[09:40] <ServerSage> greenit: Email doesn't really have the concept of "page size".
[09:40] <crizzy> i'm sure it's that vsync problem i linked earlier, though
[09:40] <Guest63779> Hi, just got new laptop which has windows 7 on it. Trying to install ubuntu 11.10  alongside it. I run the wubi.exe, click "demo and full installation", select "reboot now" But when it reboots, it's as if nothing has changed and doesn't offer the opportunity to start with ubuntu. Any ideas anyone?
[09:40] <Dr_willis>  The newer ati drivers worked for unity for me. but still have issues in gnome-shell.
[09:40] <greenit> ServerSage, well... when i want to print it, will it then fit the a4-site?
[09:41] <acekiller> ls
[09:41] <ServerSage> greenit: When you print it you can choose to have it "fit to page".
[09:41] <greenit> ServerSage, ah, k, thx :)
[09:41] <tarelerulz> NTFS for windows7 must be different .   I have been downloading movies to the ntfs partition for years.  Never had any problem.
[09:41] <themonitor> tarelerulz: so you mount it from the file browser everytime?
[09:41] <Dr_willis> Ntfs under windows 7 works fine for me under my ubuntu installs also.
[09:42] <Dr_willis> but i missed the actual problem.
[09:42] <tarelerulz> I use terminal  ntfs-3g /dev/sda3 /media/windows7  and it shows up on the desktop
[09:42] <urfr332g0> Dr_willis, missing files loaded to windows.
[09:43] <Dr_willis> Watch out for Files with  Differnt Case Names perhaps?   ThisFile  vs thisfile    perhaps?
[09:43] <Dr_willis> ive never had any missing. :)
[09:43] <boba88> why my ubuntu 11.10 does not recognize my second monitor?
[09:43] <Dr_willis> had a 'ThisFile' and 'thisfile' issue on samba shares befor.
[09:43] <Nirkus> hm, somehow my quickstart keys (windows key + number) for applications have vanished from unity bar since yesterday oO
[09:43] <tarelerulz>  I save files to the ntfs partition .  When I boot back into windows it deletes them.  I have never had this problem before
[09:43] <urfr332g0> tarelerulz, I just click mine in home left panel.
[09:43] <Dr_willis> boba88,  whats your video card/gpu?
[09:43] <Hamed> could any one help me to put this command in boot sudo modprobe b43
[09:44] <Dr_willis> Hamed,  add it to /etc/rc.local or to your modules auto load/ list.  perhaps.
[09:44] <themonitor> tarelerulz: try sudo? maybe you don't actually have permissions.
[09:44] <Dr_willis> I thought b43 was  obsolete.
[09:44] <Dr_willis> !whitelist
[09:44] <tarelerulz> I forgot I do use sudo .
[09:44] <Dr_willis> !modules
[09:44] <themonitor> tarelerulz: I would add it to fstab so you don't have to mount it everytime.
[09:46] <tarelerulz> Sure that would be easy ,but it would not change the problem.   Windows deletes files when I boot back into it.  I thought maybe I was mounting it with bad version of NTFS-3g .  I thought maybe if I updated to 11.  the problem would be fixed
[09:46] <ServerSage> Hamed: Did you find my suggestion confusing?  If so, what part did you not understand?  Maybe I can walk you through it.
[09:46] <Hamed> serversage
[09:46] <themonitor> tarelerulz: you should try it. it might fix the problem. you never know.
[09:46] <Dr_willis> tarelerulz,  id check the ntfs-3g homepage/forums and see if anything shows up. also try unmounting the ntfs partion after making a test file. and see if it reappears.
[09:47] <Dr_willis> it could be windows is some how file system checking and removing a 'bad' file.
[09:47] <boba88> Dr_willis: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT] (rev a2)
[09:47] <Hamed> sorry but i want to know is this file etc/modules that i must write the command in it ?
[09:47] <Dr_willis> boba88,  i normally just install the nvidia drivers, reboot., run the nvidia-settings tool as root. enable twinview.  restart the X server.. both monitors work.
[09:47] <ServerSage> Hamed: Did you open up the file?  If you edit /etc/modules you will see some comments at the top that tell you modules in the file will be loaded on boot.  You simply add your module to the list.
[09:48] <tarelerulz> I will do that.   I spent a lot of time downloading that stuff and it sucks to lose it.  Plus , XBMC should update to fix their 1080 p play back problem.
[09:48] <themonitor> tarelerulz: you shouldn't download illegally...
[09:48] <boba88> Dr_willis: Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page:  Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0.
[09:48] <Dr_willis> boba88,  for what exactly?
[09:48] <Hamed> my moudule is modprobe b43 right ? or just b43
[09:49] <Dr_willis> modprobe is a command to load a module..
[09:49] <sidb> hey can someone tell me how can i use the packages from someone elses`s ubuntu`s /var/cche/apt/archives folder in my own ubuntu
[09:49] <ServerSage> Hamed: modprobe is the command that loads the module.  b43 is the module.
[09:49] <boba88> Dr_willis: sudo nvidia-settings and then x server configuration page
[09:49] <Dr_willis> module name in your case is b43
[09:49] <tarelerulz> It could be a blue ray of my own
[09:49] <boba88> Dr_willis: sudo nvidia-settings and then x server display configuration
[09:49] <Dr_willis> boba88,  you installed the nvidia-drivers ?
[09:49] <tarelerulz> Other then that xbmc is great program.  That is small bug.
[09:50] <boba88> yes currently the post release drivers version 173
[09:50] <Hamed> lp
[09:50] <Hamed> b43
[09:50] <boba88> Dr_willis: yes currently the post release drivers version 173
[09:50] <Hamed> this lines already in etc/modules
[09:50] <ServerSage> Hamed:  Is it commented out?
[09:50] <Dr_willis> boba88,  theres also example xorg.conf files online you could try. or the 'sudo nvidia-xconfig -a' command (i think)
[09:50] <themonitor> tarelerulz: hope you get everything working :)
[09:50] <ServerSage> Hamed: If it's not commented out you'll need to take a look in the logs.  You can find them in /var/log/
[09:50] <Hamed> yes out of comment
[09:51] <themonitor> well, night everyone.
[09:51] <Hamed> var/log which file ?
[09:52] <boba88> Dr_willis: ERROR: Unable to assign attribute DigitalVibrance specified on line 48 of configuration file '/home/student005/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). when trying to run sudo nvidia-settings
[09:53] <ServerSage> Hamed: Take a look at /var/log/udev or /var/log/kern.log - if neither have anything run "grep b43 /var/log/*"
[09:53] <Dr_willis> you allready have a user .nvidia-settings-rc file it seems. perhaps remove/rename it.  the root user shouldent be touching the user files..
[09:54] <Dr_willis> boba88,  both monitors were plugged in when you booted the system? this a desktop or laptop?
[09:54] <boba88> Dr_willis: yes were plugged, and desktop
[09:55] <Dr_willis> I used to have a 8800gtsxxx (i think) never had any of these issues.. but its been some time ago.
[09:56] <boba88> Dr_willis: now after renaming it and trying to run sudo nvidia settings i get (nvidia-settings:2764): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" and there is no two screens detected
[09:56] <Dr_willis> thats a gtk theme warning...
[09:56] <Dr_willis> meaningless warning. :)
[09:57] <Dr_willis> How are the monitors hooked up? using any adaptors/converters?
[09:57] <boba88> Dr_willis: normal DVIs
[09:57] <Dr_willis> Out of ideas then.
[09:57] <boba88> Dr_willis: ok
[09:57] <boba88> Dr_willis: thanks
[09:58] <kbotnen_> how can I tell Ubuntu that it needs a reboot? I want the com.ubuntu.SystemService.is_reboot_required to be true.
[10:01] <RichiH> how can i bump the version of a ubuntu package to its debian euivalent
[10:01] <RichiH> ubuntu is still stuck with an ancient version of my package
[10:03] <terminhell> get it from an actual deb repo
[10:06] <auronandace> terminhell: never a good idea to mix debian and ubuntu repos
[10:06] <JernejL_Work> i really need some help, can anyone tell me what this means or how to fix this? my dmesg is SPAMMED with a ton of these:
[10:06] <JernejL_Work> [3578749.737067] type=1400 audit(1329438608.667:118668): apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" name="/usr/sbin/mysqld" pid=20075 comm="apparmor_parser"
[10:07] <Feye> Hello, please can someone tell how to, or point to a relevant web page, on how to boot directly into X environment omitting gdm and password ? Thank you.
[10:07] <Feye> I was googling for it, but all results I get are about how to boot into a command line. That's not what I am interested in.
[10:08] <terminhell> auronandace: isnt ubuntu based on debian?
[10:08] <auronandace> terminhell: yes, but if you mix repos you will break stuff
[10:09] <terminhell> hmm
[10:10] <lahwran> how do I unbind the alt key so that it doesn't make windows drag?
[10:10] <lahwran> perhaps move that to the super key
[10:10] <pangolin> terminhell: a deb for debian may requires newer versions of libraries that could be available in the ubuntu repos but those libraries may not work well with other apps that require the ubuntu version of the lib.
[10:10] <Ben64> Feye: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoLogin
[10:10] <pangolin> in other words, don't mix repos.
[10:11] <terminhell> pangolin: ah, yea its been ages since ive actually used debian/ubuntu
[10:13] <Asifan> help ubuntu people
[10:13] <Asifan> i want to ask if it is possible to install ubuntu n a mac?
[10:13] <Feye> Thank you Ben64.
[10:13] <terminhell> i forget how seemingly separated ubuntu has drifted from debian. In the past i remember being able to use debian repo's fairly problem free
[10:14] <Ben64> Asifan: depends on the cpu, not sure if ubuntu still supports powerpc
[10:14] <Asifan> my CPU is intel
[10:14] <Ben64> then it will work, its no different from any other computer
[10:15] <Asifan> i tried to install it from a live CD, it goes well except in the very end it cranes. has to do with something about restart or something
[10:15] <Asifan> so when i boot my computer it doesn't boot on ubuntu, just doesn't recognize it
[10:15] <sdsdsdsd> hello
[10:17] <Asifan> so any help with my problem? :)
[10:19] <boba88> if anyone is aware of how to enable my second monitor under ubuntu 11.10
[10:19] <boba88> if anyone is aware of how to enable my second monitor under ubuntu 11.10?
[10:20] <terminhell> turn the other monitor on :p
[10:20] <boba88> terminhell: is turned on, but the system does not recoginize it :P
[10:20] <newbie> hi all
[10:20] <newbie> i need help
[10:20] <newbie> i'm new of ubuntu
[10:21] <soee> hi, guys do you have ant good tutorials how can i configure VPS server for php/mysql/apache etc ?
[10:21] <terminhell> boba88: have the other monitor blugged in and run X --configure
[10:22] <Guest50883> and i dont know why my ubnutu software center doesn't work any more...
[10:22] <Guest50883> it doesnt't open nor nothing
[10:22] <Guest50883> ??????????????????????????????????????????'''
[10:22] <boba88> terminhell: Fatal server error: Unrecognized option: --configure, you mean nvidia-xconfig
[10:22] <Guest50883> can dsomeone help please?
[10:22] <boba88> terminhell: or X --configure?
[10:23] <terminhell> boba88: sure, if using nvidia
[10:23] <Guest50883> please ome help
[10:23] <prezeus> hi
[10:23] <boba88> terminhell: but i already run that
[10:23] <boba88> terminhell: but i already ran that
[10:23] <terminhell> boba88: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nvidia
[10:23] <terminhell> read the multiple monitors section
[10:24] <terminhell> afterwards you'll need to restart X
[10:24] <prezeus> hi guys, is there anyway of coming back to gnome2? i tried the fallback but you can do nothing with panels for example....
[10:25] <Guest50883> guys help! my sowftware center doesn't work any moer!
[10:25] <terminhell> prezeus: look into peppermint i think, otherwise not sure if ubuntu will let you
[10:25] <terminhell> Guest50883: be more specific
[10:25] <prezeus> terminhell: what is peppermint...?
[10:26] <terminhell> prezeus: a fork of gnome2 if i recall correctly
[10:26] <prezeus> terminhel: aha...
[10:26] <prezeus> terminhell: thank you I'll see
[10:27] <Guest50883> im running on ubuntu 11.10 and after i installed it i managed to do all of the updates..know if i click on the software center icon nothing happenes...
[10:27] <KyungChan> hello all
[10:27] <prezeus> hi
[10:28] <terminhell> prezeus: sorry, its 'mate'
[10:28] <prezeus> terminhell: mate?
[10:28] <terminhell> yes
[10:28] <terminhell> but i think its something the linuxmint guys cooked up
[10:29] <prezeus> but i mean is a distro?
[10:29] <prezeus> or is an environment that you install....
[10:29] <Asifan> i have been sruggeling with ubuntu on 5 different computers
[10:29] <eutheria> how can i stop skype taking focus from me?
[10:29] <Asifan> is there a way to explain how to install it?
[10:30] <prezeus> in internet you have plently of tutorials Asifan...
[10:31] <Asifan> non of them work, i have been at it for 6 months
[10:31] <Asifan> when ever i have free time i try to install it and doesn't work
[10:31] <prezeus> what happens more specific?
[10:32] <KyungChan> How do i make a good looking desktop environment?
[10:32] <terminhell> KyungChan: cryons
[10:32] <Asifan> 1. MacbookPro no CD Ubuntu will not boot from a Live USB.
[10:32] <Asifan> 2. Intel MacbookPro using Live CD will not install on HDD.
[10:33] <Asifan> 3. Sony Vio will not start from Live USB.
[10:33] <Asifan> 4. Sony Vio will not even start from Live CD.
[10:33] <Asifan> 5. MAC OS X wil work ubuntu on a virtual machine but it is VERY slow.
[10:33] <prezeus> you mean that you tried in all of these machines?
[10:33] <Asifan> yes
[10:33] <KyungChan> I prefer not to use ios
[10:33] <terminhell> bad usb imaging
[10:34] <Asifan> i get a new now everytime
[10:34] <prezeus> ubuntu/mac is a tricky thing
[10:34] <Asifan> but it won't even on on sony vio
[10:34] <prezeus> you'll have to look for a specific tutorial
[10:34] <KyungChan> or not changing his booting order
[10:34] <prezeus> for sony vaio....
[10:34] <onasis> anyone have any ideas what is considered one of the best video capture app for ubuntu please?
[10:34] <Asifan> any help with a tutorial? i can't find anything that explains the errors i get
[10:34] <KyungChan> it could be loading his hhd then maybe usb
[10:34] <onasis> using laptop camera
[10:35] <prezeus> I mean did tried changin the boot order?
[10:35] <Asifan> it won't even recognize the software.
[10:35] <Asifan> when i boot it tells me file not found
[10:35] <terminhell> how did you create the live usb?
[10:35] <Asifan> and i install ubuntu on its own not with another OS
[10:35] <KyungChan> what program are you using to make it live?
[10:35] <Asifan> through the terminal commands
[10:35] <terminhell> dd?
[10:36] <Asifan> yes
[10:36] <Asifan> from the instructions in the ubuntu website
[10:36] <Asifan> and it is created fine. no errors when i do it
[10:36] <terminhell> did you do dd /path/to image of="/dev/sdb1 or /sdb
[10:36] <Asifan> yep
[10:36] <terminhell> which
[10:36] <terminhell> sdb or sdb1
[10:37] <Asifan> 1 sec let me copy it
[10:37] <diverdude> is there a way i can set terminal title to always be the last command?
[10:37] <Asifan> sudo dd if=/path/to/file.img of=/dev/rdiskN bs=1m
[10:38] <terminhell> 0.o
[10:38] <Asifan> and the USB is created fine no errors
[10:38] <Asifan> but can't boot from it
[10:38] <terminhell> you may also have to set a boot flag on it
[10:38] <Asifan> how?
[10:38] <sergio__> hello
[10:39] <terminhell> did you dd from mac os?
[10:39] <sergio__> can you  help me?
[10:39] <Asifan> yes
[10:39] <terminhell> im not familiar with the bs=1m flags
[10:40] <terminhell> or mac os
[10:40] <JernejL_Work> init: mysql main process ended, respawning
[10:40] <JernejL_Work> what is making this happen?
[10:40] <JernejL_Work> why does it respawn?
[10:40] <Asifan> what about installing it on the mac HDD?
[10:40] <terminhell> dd would just image the live image to your hdd
[10:40] <terminhell> not something you want
[10:40] <Asifan> it installs fine form the LIVE CD, but in the very end it tells me something wrong with start up
 one question at a time, pm someone
[10:41] <terminhell> have you tried unetbootin?
[10:41] <Asifan> what is that?
[10:41] <JernejL_Work> KyungChan, seriously?
[10:41] <sergio__> I have installed an extension for Gnome shell and after ,I reboot  and gnome shell not found
[10:41] <KyungChan> yeah there is no point flooding with problems because no one knows where to start
[10:41] <KyungChan> I might be able to help, pm me
[10:42] <JernejL_Work> it's the same problem
[10:42] <KyungChan> okay, log out and look at where the taskbar will be, look for gnome and log in
[10:43] <terminhell> sergio__: use gnome-tweak-tool
[10:43] <naaaaaah> hello, I need support for xerox network printers with ubuntu 11.10
[10:43] <Asifan> terminhell: so what is unetbootin?
[10:44] <terminhell> sergio__: once you install the extension, open gnome tweak, under extensions it should be listed for you to enable. if, after you enable it and still nothing restart gnome-shell
[10:44] <sergio__> hi?
[10:45] <KyungChan> sergio_: problems?
[10:49] <sergio__> pipeision
[10:59] <evildaemon> Hello
[10:59] <evildaemon> I can't authenticate wireless.
[11:00] <_Brun0_> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 on command-line using the alternate cd. It is using a minimal window manager (i3) and I'd like to install a GTK theme. How do I know which GTK version I have in my Ubuntu? Should I install GTK2 or GTK3 themes?
[11:00] <terminhell> first install gtk...
[11:01] <_Brun0_> terminhell, don't I have it already?
[11:01] <evildaemon> So I'm not sure if my problem is with wpa_supplicant or what. For reference I'm using Xubuntu 11.10
[11:02] <_Brun0_> terminhell, as I said I have a minimal window manager installed already.
[11:02] <onasis> anyone know of a good ubuntu webcam capture app?
[11:03] <terminhell> do you see a gtk2 or gtk3 folder in your /etc
[11:06] <_Brun0_> terminhell, both
[11:06] <evildaemon> Also, it's NOT a driver problem. I've tried three different devices. (One of which I KNOW works under Ubuntu.) none work.
[11:06] <terminhell> then you'd want gtk3 stuff
[11:07] <terminhell> onasis: cheese
[11:07] <onasis> lol!
[11:07] <terminhell> im serious
[11:07] <terminhell> simple and effective
[11:08] <onasis> perfect
[11:08] <onasis> thanx#
[11:08] <evildaemon> terminhell: Any ideas?
[11:08] <_Brun0_> terminhell, thank you. do you happen to know if it is okay for me to isntall gtk2.0 themes?
[11:08] <terminhell> evildaemon: your user may not have permission for wifi
[11:09] <evildaemon> terminhell: Interesting. How would I check?
[11:09] <terminhell> groups
[11:09] <terminhell> and see if networkmanager is listed
[11:09] <terminhell> type 'groups' in terminal
[11:09] <terminhell> <<<loves terminal....terminal hell....terminhell :p
[11:10] <evildaemon> It's not. I think you've found the problem.
[11:10] <terminhell> ironically in gui... =/
[11:10] <evildaemon> Love you.
[11:10] <terminhell> ok do this
[11:10] <evildaemon> Just add them?
[11:10] <terminhell> sudo gpasswd -a username networkmanager
[11:10] <karel_ff> About the removal of the sun-java packages: I assumed this was for all distro's, but it's still there for Natty. Can anyone enlighten me?
[11:10] <terminhell> then restart networkmanager
[11:11] <terminhell> i think ubuntu does this by sudo init.d stop networkmanager && init.d start networkmanager
[11:12] <evildaemon> terminhell: It says theres no networkmanager group.
[11:12] <terminhell> is dbus running?
[11:13] <terminhell> and or do you have it installed?
[11:13] <evildaemon> Good question.
[11:13] <terminhell> and have networkmanager installed?
[11:13] <evildaemon> Networkmanager is installed.
[11:13] <evildaemon> dbus I'm not so sure about.
[11:13] <terminhell> what kind of installation of ubuntu do you have
[11:14] <Asifan> terminhell: hi, i tried using unetbootin, it kind of worked, but the screen went black
[11:14] <Asifan> any help?
[11:14] <evildaemon> terminhell: I said Xubuntu 11.10
[11:14] <terminhell> Asifan: you may have to rety it a few times. its a bit buggy sometimes. that or manually select it as a boot option from POST
[11:14] <evildaemon> terminhell: Is there a simple command to list all processes?
[11:15] <evildaemon> (Thats not top)
[11:15] <terminhell> evildaemon: i mean, desktop, server etc...
[11:15] <evildaemon> terminhell: Desktop.
[11:15] <Asifan> terminhell: ok
[11:15] <Smiley> yo
[11:15] <Smiley> how do i make sure that nagios-nrpe starts at boot?
[11:15] <evildaemon> Smiley: Add it to the boot commands,
[11:16] <Smiley> evildaemon: ok.... where are those?
[11:16] <Asifan> terminhell: can i use unetbootin to install on a HDD?
[11:16] <Smiley> as i don't have rcconf, sysvinit, rc-update, chkconfig, or any tool like that..
[11:16] <terminhell> Asifan: no
[11:17] <evildaemon> Smiley: This looks helpful http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
[11:17] <tarelerulz> Is there any movie format the supports meta tagging?
[11:17] <terminhell> evildaemon: bare with me, im on arch, trying to remember how ubuntu works
[11:17] <evildaemon> terminhell: Ah. I'd use arch if they'd sign their damn packages.
[11:18] <Smiley> ty evildaemon
[11:18] <Smiley> seems its already enabled, coolies.
[11:18] <terminhell> evildaemon: they do now ;) excluding aur...and well most of extra
[11:18] <terminhell> but core is all signed
[11:18] <evildaemon> Finally.
[11:18] <terminhell> ya
[11:18] <geoffw8_> finally I have arrived, yes
[11:19] <geoffw8_> \o/
[11:19] <terminhell> evildaemon: see if init.d list does
[11:19] <evildaemon> terminhell: Anyway, dbus appears to be installed. But I'd really appreciate a simple command to list all processes.
[11:20] <terminhell> init.d list
[11:20] <server_> I accidentaly added, "sudo apt-get remove pm-utils --purge" to a update script i was running
[11:21] <server_> now I can't log in with gnome
[11:21] <evildaemon> terminhell: That didn't work. but top says the dbus daemon is running.
[11:21] <server_> is there a termianl based webbrowser i can get with apt?
[11:21] <evildaemon> server_: elinks
[11:22] <terminhell> evildaemon: thats a good start
[11:22] <terminhell> evildaemon: and networkmanager is installed?
[11:22] <evildaemon> terminhell: nmcli is present.
[11:22] <evildaemon> terminhell: The problem is with authentication.
[11:23] <terminhell> evildaemon: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wpa_supplicant
[11:23] <terminhell> evildaemon: replace pacman with apt-get
[11:23] <evildaemon> terminhell: I know, don't know what to do about it.
[11:25] <server_> I'm I server_?
[11:25] <evildaemon> server_: Yes. elinks
[11:26] <server_> okey thanks
[11:26] <server_> exit
[11:26] <terminhell> fail
[11:26] <evildaemon> terminhell: What?
[11:26] <terminhell> nvm
[11:26] <terminhell> evildaemon: does that wiki help at all?
[11:26] <evildaemon> terminhell: Him trying to use exit? Yeah that was pretty funny.
[11:26] <evildaemon> terminhell: Sort of.
[11:27] <cureing> ubuntu does not supporting my desktop dell vostro 360...it does not show any display...please help....
[11:27] <terminhell> cureing: your video card driver isnt supported probably
[11:28] <terminhell> cureing: try fallback
[11:28] <cureing> what is fallback...!!!
[11:28] <terminhell> my appoligies to the chat, im not an ubuntu user, well not been for over a year. But i've plenty of general linux experience.
[11:28] <bangawking> hi guys can anyone help me learn how to use apache? im just starting at this stuff so i dont know anything yet :_
[11:29] <bangawking> @terminshell , , can you help me?
[11:30] <terminhell> bangawking: ill try. you have appache installed yes? and httpd deamon running?
[11:30] <bangawking> yes they are both running , , im using bodhi linux
[11:31] <terminhell> do you get anything when you attempt to connect to your local host?
[11:31] <bangawking> so how do i use the apache server?
[11:31] <cureing> ubuntu does not supporting my desktop dell vostro 360...it does not show any display...please help....
[11:31] <bangawking> yes the localhost is now running and its blank , ,
[11:31] <bangawking> well its got myphpadmin already working
[11:31] <evildaemon> cureing: Hold shift at startup, you'll get a menu. Choose recover mode. Use the fallback mode option.
[11:32] <terminhell> bangawking: what do you plan on using the server for? that will determine a lot
[11:32] <cureing> evildaemon:what it does..>!
[11:32] <bangawking> well we use windows at school , , its quite easy to put php files on the server, ,  we use a software called xamp at school
[11:33] <bangawking> but in linux i cant figure out how to do that
[11:33] <caaakeeey> how do i say "this hostname A maps to hostname B" and then let DNS worry about which ip hosthame B resolves to?
[11:33] <terminhell> bangawking: so your just trying to file share?
[11:34] <evildaemon> cureing: It runs Ubuntu in low graphics mode so that your graphics card isn't invoked. Then you can install a graphics driver.
[11:34] <bangawking> i want to see my php file on the browser by going to the localhost , , :)
[11:34] <terminhell> so you need apache and php
[11:34] <kp> test
[11:35] <bangawking> yes i got them all installed, , even the mysql
[11:35] <evildaemon> cureing: After you install the driver (If one exists) your machine should work fine.
[11:35] <nili> i recently started with bugfixing in ubuntu i got stuck in testing the bug ,how to find the release of the bug can u pls help me

[11:35] <terminhell> sometimes you may not be able to view it inside a local network domain
[11:36] <terminhell> unless its configured correctly
[11:36] <bangawking> so how do i do it? , , ,
[11:36] <terminhell> i dont remember =/
[11:36] <cureing> evildaemon:where to find driver...!!! because it does not detect additional drivers automatically......
[11:36] <terminhell> but i hope ive shinned a little lite on the direction to look
[11:36] <bangawking> :) well thanks anyway
[11:37] <bangawking> yeah , , and i think i need to learn all these softwares from scratch
[11:37] <nili>  how can i find release of the bug
[11:37] <terminhell> google my friend...google
[11:37] <evildaemon> cureing: Well if thats the case you have to google your graphics card. (The name of which can be obtained using lspci.) And pray.
[11:37] <bangawking> coz they work a little different from thos we use in windows
[11:38] <terminhell> bangawking: ya windows plays a bit nicer with itself...
[11:38] <cureing> evildaemon:it does not have graphics card...
[11:38] <terminhell> probably intel then?
[11:39] <MojZ> hi
[11:39] <MojZ> how can i make mysql start at boot time?
[11:39] <terminhell> nah, if was intel, xorg should have detected...hmm,
[11:39] <arnsa> could anyone help me with burning .dmg file to DVD on ubuntu? I've tried to convert it to .iso file with dmg2iso.pl but this program doesn't work as it should... any other solutions?
[11:39] <evildaemon> MojZ: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28
[11:41] <DW-Drew> Where should I be looking to figure out why just recently a standard boot never gets to the login screen, but if I kill the quiet parameter from grub everything works as expected?
[11:42] <MojZ> thank you evildaemon
[11:43] <terminhell> i dont like quiet boot, i like to watch text scroll
[11:45] <DW-Drew> terminhell: if I see words, I want to read them, and the words go by much to quickly for me to read
[11:45] <terminhell> true, but when theres a hangup, you know where
[11:46]  * DW-Drew may be a little weird like that
[11:47] <DW-Drew> that's the thing, it doesn't hang if I kill off quiet
[11:47] <arnsa> could anyone help me with burning .dmg file to DVD on ubuntu? I've tried to convert it to .iso file with dmg2iso.pl but this program doesn't work as it should... any other solutions?
[11:47] <zacarias> When trying to run gnome-tweak-tool, I have the following output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/845656/      Any help?
[11:47] <terminhell> yea thats weird, why having --quiet would matter
[11:49] <DW-Drew> this is why idek where to look to start finding it
[11:49] <DW-Drew> unless there is a race that the extra cycles needed to actually write to screen throws off, which is a bit beyond what I know how to pin down
[11:52] <auska> Trying to do an apt-get update I get this error: http://pastebin.com/p3YdRFWN how can I solve it?
[11:53] <terminhell> bad repos
[11:53] <terminhell> remove them, or see if theres updated ones for it
[11:55] <korukor> arnsa: do you need it to be bootable?
[11:56] <Spyros> auska, check ppa.launchpad.net/dlecan/openjdk/ubuntu/dists
[11:56] <arnsa> korukor, yes, because I want to install OS X on my machine
[11:56] <auska> Spanky, but in which file would i found it?
[11:56] <auska> since is not on the /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:57] <Spyros> /etc/sources.d ?
[11:57] <prezeus> is there a way of having gnome 2 in 11.10?
[11:57] <iceroot> prezeus: no
[11:57] <iceroot> !nounity | prezeus
[11:58] <korukor> arnsa: I'd used UltraISO on windows for that. On Ubuntu, no joy.
[11:58] <prezeus> ubottu: I did the fallback but I can't personalize the panels I supose I have to install gnome-panels
[11:58] <arnsa> korukor, what if I install Virtual Machine and install windows on it?
[11:59] <DW-Drew> arnsa, that's a chunk of work to convert an image, but if you're up for it, it should work
[12:00] <prezeus> WTF... ubottu is a bot?
[12:00] <korukor> arnsa: worth a shot.
[12:00] <linux> hi,hello
[12:01] <MagNet> looking for a great Music program with built in EQ
[12:02] <terminhell> vlc
[12:02] <terminhell> banshee
[12:02] <Spyros> hi linux
[12:04] <randomnewb> Is it normal for nautilus to use 2.4 GiB of memory after loading a directory full of pictures?
[12:05] <MagNet> randomnewb, i can load up like 5000 pictures and it doesnt use that much. Do you have any plugins isntalled with it?
[12:05] <MagNet> or addons?
[12:05] <randomnewb> I'm not sure.
[12:06] <MagNet> What display manager are you using?
[12:06] <tzio> #Ubuntu
[12:06] <MagNet> Unity, Gnome3, ?
[12:06] <DW-Drew> randomnewb, did it have to generate all the thumbnails, or were they already there?
[12:06] <randomnewb> Gnome 2 I'm assuming as I'm using 10.04.
[12:07] <MagNet> Ahh, i found in 10.04 when doing thumbnails for the first time it was a memory hog. Maybe kill your X Session and then log back in, try loading them again and see if it happens again?
[12:08] <randomnewb> It's generating thumbnails, got 21k pics in the directory.
[12:08] <niklasfi> hey guys, i have a problem. i have a half-way installed mysql-server. could you help me? here is what i have tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/845625/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/845626/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/845627/
[12:08] <tzio> Hi all! I cant find gigabyte ga-fxa ud7 motherboard drivers and where I setup the cpu core. Plz help
[12:08] <MagNet> randomnewb, that would be why :)
[12:09] <DW-Drew> randomnewb,  if it's generating them, that is kindof  a memory hog. if they are already in the thumbnail cache it is NOWHERE near as bad
[12:09] <prezeus> it is posible to install compiz fusion in kubuntu 11.10 I had problems with gnome3 and I'm thinking of trying kubuntu.....
[12:09] <prezeus> ?
[12:10] <niklasfi> tzio: which drivers exactly do you need?
[12:10] <vageesh> hi I am new to ubuntu and I want to install a driver to use my nvidia graphic card on my dell XPS 14 l401x model.  I am using ubuntu 10.10
[12:11] <niklasfi> vageesh: have you activated the restricted drivers?
[12:12] <MagNet> tzio what exactly do you mean "Set up the cpu core" ??
[12:12] <tzio> I need all fxa ud7 drivers :)
[12:12] <niklasfi> tzio: drivers for what? sound card, graphics chip, networking?
[12:13] <kbotnen_> while building a package for ubuntu, is the uninstall scripts called prerm or preuninstall?
[12:13] <tzio> sound card, graphics chip
[12:13] <niklasfi> tzio: does your computer output sound?
[12:13] <tzio> oh ya
[12:14] <DW-Drew> then the sound card is working
[12:14] <niklasfi> tzio: then you don't need drivers for that
[12:14] <MagNet> tzio, and the graphics card should just be the Restricted Drivers
[12:14] <blackarchan> i want to make a python script that install some apps how can i do this?
[12:14] <blackarchan> in bash im used to apt-get
[12:15] <vageesh> niklasfi:  when I click on additional drivers i dont see anything
[12:15] <MagNet> what graphics card do you have?
[12:15] <MagNet> Onboard graphics?
[12:17] <randomnewb> It's done with thumbnail generating but if I close nautilius there appears to be a memory leak.
[12:17] <MagNet> tzio i believe that your board has INtel Graphics, meaning its already installed
[12:17] <MagNet> vageesh, what card do you have?
[12:18] <vageesh> MagNet:  I have  a nvidia geforce 420  1gb
[12:18] <tzio> but its not the right drivers
[12:18] <tzio> is there a way to set the cpu core in ubuntu
[12:18] <niklasfi> tzio: what exactly do you meen by "set the cpu core in ubuntu"? the core voltage?
[12:18] <DW-Drew> tzio, what do you mean by 'set the cpu core'?
[12:19] <tzio> GA-990FXA-UD7
[12:20] <tzio> in windows u can set the core count in msconfig
[12:20] <Arizona_bay> how can i change the login picture in lucid lynx
[12:20] <tzio> can u do this in ub
[12:21] <DW-Drew> Um, the kernel detects the available cores and uses them automatically
[12:22] <niklasfi> tzio: do cat /proc/cpuinfo and tell me if that shows the right cpu-count
[12:23] <RM`raiden> moin
[12:23] <Arizona_bay> http://www.zimbio.com/Ubuntu+Linux/articles/3QDP9PPt1Ai/how+change+login+screen+background+Lucid+lynx
[12:24] <Arizona_bay> would this work?
[12:26] <tzio> thanks alot
[12:27] <Younder> Banshee crashes when several applications try to exist at the same time.  Race condition
[12:28] <Younder> Please fix this.
[12:29] <Lint> Younder, banshee is a gnome application and has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[12:29] <Younder> I accidentally double clicked a banshee icon and the second banshee crashed.
[12:30] <Younder> Lint: I should probably find the authors then yes..
[12:31] <hmax> Younder: use another media player.  I highly recommend mplayer2 ;-)
[12:32] <DW-Drew> rhythmbox is good too
[12:32] <Younder> hmax Never the less I am filing a report at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=banshee
[12:32] <hmax> Younder: good idea.
[12:32] <aguitel> install ubuntu server 10.04 is the same way desktop edition ?
[12:33] <Lint> rhythmbox has rotten developers, if any
[12:33] <DW-Drew> Lint: but it works, mostly
[12:36] <hmax> aguitel: not quite.  server has no desktop environment.
[12:38] <Younder> muelisoft.. quute
[12:39] <JernejL_Work> how do i shut down a daemon?
[12:40] <Younder> kinda reminds me of how Microsoft got it's name. It was Bill Gates wedding day and.. well You can guess the rest ;)
[12:40] <JernejL_Work> i want to remove mysql daemon / restart script without removing mysql
[12:41] <Younder> not funny huh
[12:42] <aguitel> hmax, yes i know but i can install it
[12:45] <rvalleb94> ciao
[12:45] <bazhang> !it | rvalleb94
[12:45] <rvalleb94> Hi
[12:45] <rvalleb94> !list
[12:46] <danileigh79> Why do people come in here looking for downloads? *facepalm*
[12:46] <blackarchan> how can i run apt-get install from a python script?
[12:46] <Younder> blackarchan, using the system command?
[12:47] <blackarchan> os.system?
[12:47] <Younder> JernejL_Work, you need to go into /etc/init.d dir and find the mysql file then issue a mysql --restart
[12:48] <JernejL_Work> i don't want a restart
[12:48] <JernejL_Work> i want to shut down the daemon only
[12:48] <JernejL_Work> i'm using mysqld_multi
[12:48] <JernejL_Work> and the daemon is making a mess
[12:48] <JernejL_Work> trying to boot up something that always fails
[12:48] <Younder> blackarchan, using the system command?
s hutdown then
[12:49] <jatt> how do I fix this? http://codepad.org/ucB94M6v
[12:49] <crality> Hello. Is there an easy way of getting GCC 4.7.0 for Ubuntu 11.10?
[12:49] <AndyUbuntu> Afternoon Everyone :)
[12:49] <blackarchan> Younder: os.system("apt-get install ") but i heard thats not verry good
[12:49] <DW-Drew> AndyUbuntu, o/
[12:50] <arnsa> what program should I use to burn .img file to DVD?
[12:50] <AndyUbuntu> I have just recently created an mp3 file and it has auto generated th cover art. Does anyone know a simple way to change that?
[12:50] <JernejL_Work> Younder:
[12:51] <danileigh79> AndyUbuntu: what program?
[12:51] <JernejL_Work> The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart
[12:51] <JernejL_Work> job, but shutdown is not supported for Upstart jobs.
[12:51] <AndyUbuntu> I created it with audacity
[12:51] <Younder> crality, yes, install the source in /usr/local/src and build it ./configure then make and make install. That should put it in /usr/local/bin which superseder /usr/bin
[12:51] <arnsa> what program should I use to burn .img file to DVD?
[12:51] <ikonia> clone1018: I would strongly advise against that
[12:51] <ikonia> clone1018: oops, sorry not you
[12:51] <AndyUbuntu> I dont mind which application to use for changing the cover art
[12:51] <ikonia> crality: I would advise against you doing that
[12:51] <vlt> Hello. I installed Ubuntu Oneiric, and now my neighbours hate me. I need help with audio volume settings. Everytime I login my audio volume is set to 100 %, no matter what I select in lightdm's login screen. Any idea how to fix this?
[12:52] <danileigh79> Andy, any program should allow you to change it
[12:52] <Younder> ikonia, It works as long as you don't try to recreate any ubuntu source.
[12:52] <ikonia> Younder: I would not recommend that at all,
[12:52] <danileigh79> arnsa: I'm using k3b
[12:53] <AndyUbuntu> danileigh79, i may sound like a complete noob. I have looked at vlc and cant see where i can do that. It is worth importing it with a music player then changing it?
[12:53] <Younder> ikonia, Are you a C programmer?
[12:53] <crality> Younder: thank you
[12:54] <Younder> crality, Hold on, I would like to see what Ikonia has to say about this.
[12:54] <danileigh79> AndyUbuntu: honestly, I keep all my music files either on my WinXP partition or on my WinXPMC laptop... then I use iTunes or WinAMP to change art cover
[12:55] <AndyUbuntu> oh ok, thanks. I use clementine and will change it through there :)
[12:55] <AndyUbuntu> thanks
[12:55] <danileigh79> AndyUbuntu: good luck hun
[12:56] <imanc> how can I initilise the the locate databae?
[12:56] <AndyUbuntu> lol, sure it will be simple. It is audio to distribute
[12:56] <AndyUbuntu> so that the reason for changing it
[12:57] <Younder> imanc, what database?
[12:57] <imanc> the locate database
[12:57] <danileigh79> AndyUbuntu: have fun is what I meant to sa lol still having my first cup of coffee hun
[12:58] <imanc> I have just installed locate, apt-get install locate, but at least on OSX it then needs to build a search database of all the files on the HDD, before it'll return anything
[12:58] <Younder> imanc, your whole file system is a database.. You have to be more specific.
[12:58] <imanc> Younder: when I type on terminal.. "locate mysql_config" it returns nothing
[12:58] <bazhang> Younder, he was. the locate db
[12:59] <jmoerk> imanc: I think you are looking for the updatedb command
[12:59] <Younder> imanc, ohh, updatedb
[12:59] <imanc> jmoerk: yeh, excellent. Cheers.
[12:59] <jmoerk> no worries :D
[12:59] <AndyUbuntu> danileigh79 lol ok. Enjoy
[13:00] <Younder> locate is pretty cource though, try which and whereis before locate imanc
[13:00] <imanc> Younder: yeh which hasn't helped as it's not on any path.  I've also tried find . -name "mysql_config" but no dice
[13:01] <tjiggi_fo> imanc, slocate -u
[13:01] <Younder> everythime I try locate I get a flood of mathces
[13:01] <imanc> ah
[13:02] <danileigh79> update-manager has stopped durring the action "configuring flashplugin-installer" Anyone have any tricks on making it start again?
[13:02] <Younder> imanc, google it instead[PDF]
[13:02] <Younder> How to install/configure MySQL Database
[13:02] <AndyUbuntu> does cover art need to be a specific size?
[13:03] <imanc> Younder: yeh, mysql server is installed. Very odd. Typically it's lingering as a symlinked item in /usr/bin. But not this time. Hm
[13:03] <danileigh79> Andy, no, most programs will auto resize it if it's too big
[13:03] <Younder> imanc, The symlink thing is just a form of version control
 or too small..
[13:05] <danileigh79> imanc: I have locate, have used updatedb, and searched for files, it works fine, maybe file doesn't exist?
[13:05] <danileigh79> Younder: indeed
[13:05] <imanc> danileigh79: yes, that's what I think now.
[13:06] <danileigh79> brb/ smoke break
[13:07] <LjL> Younder: superseding the installed version of GCC is in all likelihood a Bad Idea(tm). if anything, they should install the new version either in a place not in $PATH or with a different name, to only call it when needed.
 well I use postgreSQL qhich I recommend above MySql
[13:08] <Younder> LjL, yes, but intsalling it will default tu /usr/local/bin leaving the default installation alone
[13:09] <Younder> LjL, If you get in trouble just remove the link in /usr/local/bin
[13:09] <LjL> Younder: it will, but it means whenever anything tries to call "gcc", the one in /usr/local will run, and that's not very good. Ubuntu packages of various versions of GCC installs binaries like "gcc-x.x" instead
[13:11] <Younder> LjL, true, and indeed just deleteing /usr/local/bin/gcc will leave the gcc with the newest version there so that is probalby what you whould do
[13:12] <Younder> LjL, The link not the program..
[13:13] <Lint> well I would still like to know a 'proper' method for package uninstlling without affecting on-disk files
[13:14] <Younder> LjL, run a which gcc. If only /usr/bin/gcc occurs your fine
[13:15] <ikonia> Lint: you don't uninstall a package without removing the files from the disk, that's the point of uninstalling a package
[13:15] <Younder> Lint, by it's nature you can never uninstall without affecting disk files.. make sense
[13:15] <LjL> Lint: there's simply no "proper" method.
[13:16] <Lint> ikonia, point of uninstalling package is that it was marked as 'uninstalled' in dpkg database
[13:16] <ikonia> Lint: correct, that means removing the package and files
[13:16] <LjL> Lint: seriously, don't start this again. you've been told a number of times it can't be done "properly". you are of course free to modify the status information manually or re-install the files manually, but that's against all recommendations from here.
[13:17] <Lint> it's not for discussion, as rpm has well-documented option which does the same
[13:17] <ikonia> Lint: no it doesn't
[13:17] <Younder> Ikonia: some packages are a bit more sloppy than others. for instance I still have a /etc/mysql even thogh I removed mysql
[13:17] <ikonia> Lint: and as you are not using rpm it doesn't matter if rpm can do it or not
[13:17] <ikonia> Younder: that can be by design, it depend on the package layout
[13:18] <llutz> Lint: why would you do this nonsense?
[13:18] <LjL> Lint: and APT doesn't. period.
[13:18] <Younder> Ikonia: alien can handle rpm on a ubuntu machine. Though I don't recommend it
[13:18] <gr81> how do I watch this live stream with vlc media player? http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/livestreams/index.html
[13:18] <ikonia> Younder: no, that's nothing to do with what's being discussed here
[13:18] <llutz> Younder: alien converts rpm packages, not more
[13:19] <Younder> llutz, I never claimed it was anything more.. or so I thought
[13:19] <Lint> llutz, because if a certain package is 'broken', the entire apt is paralyzed
[13:20] <ikonia> Lint: no it's not you don't install (or you install and remove broken packages)
[13:20] <llutz> Lint: better to repair the packae than to use this stupid hacks
[13:20] <Younder> apt-get is the thing to use. I have hever had it break
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> gr81  click Windows media, copy link location, paste in vlc
[13:20] <ikonia> Lint: I think this discusion is done - you cannot remove a package from the apt database without removing the actual package using "proper" methods.
[13:21] <Younder> Ikonia. Ahh. He manually deleted it! a deadly sin!
[13:21] <danileigh79> rpm and dpkg can both be installed, and user can decide which to use, correct?
[13:21] <ikonia> danileigh79: no
[13:21] <llutz> danileigh79: no
[13:22] <gr81> MonkeyDust: thank you. when I click on windows media, just nothing happens
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> gr81  it worked for me
[13:22] <danileigh79> so if ubuntu 11.10 has dpkg by default, what happens if you install rpm?
[13:22] <ikonia> danileigh79: yo don't
[13:22] <ikonia> you don't
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> gr81  windows media, then right click on the stream
[13:22] <jpds> danileigh79: You're going to have a fun time managing system consistency.
[13:23] <llutz> danileigh79: you can install rpm but it won't do what you expect. it won't replace dpkg and the package-database, so you cannot use simply rpm after this.
 no ubuntu and debian use a different package manager from redhat. Mixing the is a very bad idea as the don't agree on where to install things
[13:23] <ikonia> Younder: it's nothing to do with not agreeing where to install things
[13:23] <danileigh79> k, thx all
[13:24] <danileigh79> If a program is only available in rpm format, is there a way to dl it, then convert it to be used in dpkg?
[13:24] <LjL> danileigh79: "alien", but it may not always work.
[13:24] <Younder> Ikonia: would you elaborate? That sound just plain wrong to me.
[13:24] <ikonia> danileigh79: not really no, as the contents are normally designed for rpm based systems (eg: redhat)
[13:24] <ikonia> Younder: then you don't understand how the package managment systems work.
[13:25] <LjL> Younder, ikonia: well, a part of it *is* about agreeing where to install things. but there's more pressing parts, like agreeing on package names (for dependencies), and not stomping on each other's feet
[13:25] <Younder> Ikonia: I take it I's the version bit which is the problem?
[13:25] <gr81> MonkeyDust: thank you so much! the problem was that I am using Gnash atm. I clicked on "inspect element" in firefox and copied the url
[13:25] <gr81> works now
[13:25] <ikonia> Younder: part of it, but also the internal dependency database, and the content of the packages
[13:26] <Younder> Ikonia: Well yes, I know they are not compatible
[13:27]  * Lint tries to recall the name of popular distribution which doesn't track dependencies at all...
[13:27] <crizzy> sl*cough*ackware
[13:27] <ikonia> Lint: doesn't really matter
[13:28] <Younder> Ikonia: Never the less. OSF has the source. So If you know what you are doing you can probably make it work anyhow
[13:29] <mgolisch> Lint: lfs?
[13:29] <mgolisch> :)
[13:29] <gr81> Lint: Slackware.
[13:30] <tensorpudding> danileigh79, there is alien, but it's not recommended
[13:30] <jpds> Lint: Quite irrelevant, as this is an Ubuntu channel.
[13:30] <Younder> tensorpudding, We've established that
[13:30] <neko1> hi, i use ubuntu 11.10 64bit all up tu date. yesterday i tryed to get my dvb-t stick to work. since the system installed linux-firmware-nonfree 1.11 64bit my wireless and bluetooth won't work. someone knows this problem or knows the solution?
[13:31] <tensorpudding> i missed that part, sorry
[13:31] <danileigh79> tensorpudding: I got the picture, but thanks... friend of mine who isn't entirely all that bright suggested I install rpm to install a rpm based package
[13:32] <ljsoftnet> is there an application to show, notification items, in a window?
[13:32] <danileigh79> neko1: what wifi driver? can't help with bluetooth, but I may know the wifi solution
[13:33] <neko1> bloothoth is not interessting for me but wifi
[13:33] <neko1> it's a broadcom
[13:33] <neko1> 43xx
[13:33] <danileigh79> nek, I can help
[13:33] <danileigh79> neko1: I can help I have the same issue
[13:33] <neko1> oh please
[13:34] <neko1> in the german channel i can't get help
[13:34] <danileigh79> neko1: first, dl tar xfvj broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[13:34] <neko1> ok
[13:34] <danileigh79> neko1: sorry, dl broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2
[13:36] <danileigh79> neko1: then extract, followed by command sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/wl_apsta-<IP_ADDRESS>.o
[13:36] <danileigh79> neko1: then sudo b43-fwcutter --unsupported -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS>/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o
[13:36] <roger_> hello to all
[13:37] <danileigh79> neko1: then sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb
[13:37] <roger_> i need help please
[13:37] <danileigh79> neko1: then sudo modprobe b43
[13:37] <danileigh79> roger_: just ask your question
[13:38] <roger_> how do i install mac theme on ubunthu 11.10
[13:38] <danileigh79> neko1: then you'll need to sudo gedit modules, and place "b43" and save, once you reboot, wifi should work
[13:38] <ikonia> roger_: it's not something you really want to do, I assure you
[13:38] <danileigh79> roger_: there are "themes" you can install, but not recommended
[13:38] <roger_> y not
[13:39] <ikonia> roger_: the themes are normally badly implemented and use software packages that are either not great, or not installed cleanly
[13:39] <danileigh79> roger_: what exactly are you trying to get out of installing a macosx theme?
[13:39] <danileigh79> roger_: if you want a dashboard, there are screenlets that do the same thing
[13:39] <roger_> looks better
 unity IS a mac osx theme!!
[13:40] <danileigh79> roger_: Ubuntu wasn't built to look like MacOSX
[13:40] <neko1> danileigh79: thx for help :)
[13:40] <Lint> isn't aqua theme copyrighted?
[13:40] <roger_> ok ok i get it thanks
[13:40] <neko1> will try as soon as i'm home
[13:40] <danileigh79> neko1: anytime, I spent weeks trying to figure this out, glad I could help
[13:40] <plist> test
[13:41] <roger_> so wer to get free themes
[13:41] <danileigh79> Younder: Unity in it's Ubuntu form is still Ubuntu... trying to make a linux system look like a Mac is absurd
[13:41] <mercy> ..
[13:42] <Lint> danileigh79, but you can show off with it...
[13:42] <craigbass1976> I wiped a drive.  The drive I copied the files to before I wiped it decided that now was the time to die.  I had already reinstalled an operating system on the wiped drive.  Can I somehow get some of those files back?
 I liked Unix better when it was just X windows. Ok Athena widgets left a lot to be desired, but gnome didn't
[13:42] <danileigh79> Lint: if I wanted to show off my Linux system to look like a mac, I would by a mac...
[13:42] <bazhang> lets get back to ubuntu support please
[13:43] <roger_> im new to the linux thing
[13:43] <Younder> Yes, sigh, lets
[13:43] <bazhang> !themes | roger_
[13:43] <craigbass1976> join #ubuntu-griping  :)
[13:44] <danileigh79> Younder: If you want power, go for Linux, if you want style, go for Mac or Win... This lappy is Ubuntu because I wanted to learn a linux system... Not impress people
[13:44] <roger_> thank u give it a shot
[13:44] <Younder> Roger_: well welcome to our wonderful world. You are most welcome.
[13:44] <craigbass1976> roger_, did you find themes, or are you still waiting for an answer?
[13:44] <roger_> still looking on site
[13:45] <roger_> ok now for installing part
[13:45] <neko1> bye
[13:45] <roger_> thx younder
[13:46] <roger_> what app should i use to install
[13:46] <plist> admin
[13:46] <Younder> roger_, well don't install a theme. Stick with the standard one.
[13:47] <danileigh79> roger_: install with whichever program the theme recommends, that's why we said it's not recommended...
[13:47] <roger_> i just want to try it
[13:47] <Younder> roger_, or do, but back up first, because you are setting yourself up for a wrld of grief. Unity is FAr from stable. You have been warned.
[13:48] <Lint> what's ubuntu raster fonts supported formats?
[13:48] <danileigh79> roger_: for once, I agree with Younder, you have been warned...
[13:48] <UndergrounD> having trouble installing python 2.7
[13:48] <roger_> k il take your word for it
[13:48] <plist> am i in?
[13:49] <roger_> wow what a group of nice ppl:) thank u all
[13:49] <danileigh79> roger_: sorry we couldn't help you do what you wanted to do, but it's for the best because Unity does not like external themes
[13:50] <OerHeks> UndergrounD, in what ubuntu version ?
[13:50] <UndergrounD> 11.10
[13:50] <roger_> ok how do i get games?
[13:50] <OerHeks> UndergrounD, 11.10 has standard python 2.7.2 installed
[13:50] <Lint> roger_, like?
[13:50] <danileigh79> roger, Ubuntu software center, or find binaries
[13:50] <roger_> fifa 2012
[13:51] <Squarism> Why isnt "top"'s cpu idle value = 100 - (sum-of-processes-cpu-utilization) ??
[13:51] <Squarism> its not even near
[13:51] <roger_> ubuntu is better than windows
[13:51] <UndergrounD> My bad tks oerheks
[13:51] <ikonia> roger_: those sort of games don't exist on Linux
[13:52] <danileigh79> roger_: If it hasn't been released for Linux, you can either dl it and run in wine, or find someone that has built a linux version
[13:52] <ikonia> roger_: Linux is not really a gaming platform at the moment.
[13:52] <danileigh79> roger_: and I'm betting it hasn't been released for lilnux
[13:52] <Younder> My statistics tells me that 60% of you don't have a viable backup. Sure you have a backup, but it won't  work
[13:52] <ikonia> roger_: it hasn't EA don't make games for linux
[13:53] <roger_> ok thanks  wow u learn every day
[13:53] <ikonia> Younder: please keep the pointless comments out.
[13:53] <danileigh79> roger_: Linux isn't what you would call a :gaming" or "entertainment" OS
[13:54] <roger_> how do i use iphone as modem on linux can it be done/
[13:54] <danileigh79> roger_: who is your cell provider?
[13:54] <roger_> 8ta
[13:54] <Younder> ikonia, that is FAR from pointless. And I got it from The Linux administration handbook.
[13:54] <bazhang> Younder, stay on topic
[13:54] <danileigh79> roger_: 8ta? never heard... what6 country?
[13:55] <ikonia> Younder: it's random and has no relevence to the discussion
[13:55] <roger_> South Africa
[13:55] <Lint> what are ubuntu raster fonts supported formats?
[13:55] <danileigh79> roger_: you'll have to check the app store, I know it's not possible to do it in US
[13:55] <roger_> then i dont think it can be done in sa
[13:55] <danileigh79> roger_: may have to jb the iphone to do it too
[13:56] <dfcnvt> Hello, can any of you tell me which software do you most use for ubuntu on VPN?
[13:56] <dfcnvt> I checked with 'apt-cache search vpn' and there's many.
[13:56] <compdoc> a vpn client, or server?
[13:56] <dfcnvt> client.
[13:56] <roger_> thanx dani
[13:57] <roger_> ill be back with more.
[13:57] <Younder> OK, you wan't games for Linux, not the ideal platform, Windows has more, but you might look here http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080510052539217/Games.html
[13:57] <dfcnvt> Huh, it's actually few, 'apt-cache search vpn client'
[13:58] <Younder> anyhow that's 47 for you
[13:58] <danileigh79> roger_: if you really want games, and don't care if their not "top developer" type games, go to Ubuntu Software Center
[13:58]  * dfcnvt scratching his head... Not sure which vpn client to use.
[13:59] <roger_> thanks will try
[14:00] <NetRunnerBlack> Where are the default file icons located?
[14:00] <dfcnvt> compdoc: Which vpn client do you most?
[14:00] <dfcnvt> use*
[14:01] <compdoc> dfcnvt, I only install vnc servers on ubuntu, and use a windows client. Its early in the US, so if you dont get any answers now, wait a few hours and ask again
[14:01] <Younder> dfcnvt, That is too obvious almost to answer NFS
[14:01] <danileigh79> I really hate update-manager sometimes...
[14:02] <roger_> {danileigh} wer you from
[14:03] <craigbass1976> I might have found the answer to my earlier question.  Does anyone know if photorec will find older files even though I've installed an OS on the disk?
[14:03] <playit> Hey, I can't really figure out how to word this.. How do I get an application to go back to the way it opened the first time I opened it? Like back to the same size and position
[14:04] <ezio> anyone know why ubuntu isn't running my cpu fan enough?
[14:04] <Younder> compdoc, we are about 700 Million people in Europe you know..
[14:04] <danileigh79> playit: prolly reinstall
[14:04] <playit> lol
[14:04] <playit> sadface
[14:04] <compdoc> Younder, good, then ask those 700 million to help dfcnvt
[14:05] <danileigh79> brb/ smoke break
[14:05] <Dwade09> i got a folder on my dekstop that doesnt show inder cd in terminal and its not hidden.
[14:05] <playit> i know it sounds like a dumb question but Im thinking there has to be some keybinding that does it or config file that can be erased.. I want to either cascade the windows or make them back and perfect like they were the first time I opened.. I use gnome
[14:05] <Younder> compdoc, I have goolgle for that
[14:06] <compdoc> Younder, sounds like Europe is asleep
[14:06] <playit> wait a second! sounds like a gnome question
[14:06] <playit> durrr
[14:06] <playit> #gnome
[14:06] <Younder> compdoc, It does oesan't it, google didn't turn up squat
[14:06] <martian> playit: most applications will store their settings in either ~/.applicationname or ~/.config/applicationname
[14:06] <Younder> compdoc, sorry my bad
[14:08] <Younder> compdoc, In fact I can't find anything on  dfcnvt
[14:09] <compdoc> Younder, dfcnvt is a person in here asking for help
[14:09] <Younder> compdoc, It doesn't exist om my disk.. and I have a LOT of programs.
[14:09] <Masterlorn> Hey
[14:10] <Younder> compdoc, Now that makes more sense
[14:10] <cristian_c> Hi
[14:10] <compdoc> heh
[14:10] <cristian_c> I'm using Oneiric Ocelot 11.10, I purchased an asus WL-330gE. The device shields the connection to the router, unfortunately I have to first establish a direct connection to the router, and then the computer automatically snaps to a repeater. But if the PC tries to connect to the router via the repeater, it fails
[14:10] <Dwade09> how do i get rid of the folder untitled? http://imagebin.org/199392 it shows this http://imagebin.org/199393
[14:10] <cristian_c> the network manager tries to connect several times, but it fails to connect. So I updated the firmware to the latest version, from version <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>, but unfortunately the problem persists
[14:10] <cristian_c> What can I do to solve the problem?
[14:11] <Younder> compdoc: cant find a person with that name of this group either
[14:12] <Masterlorn> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 yesterday and got somehow onto the desktop after several graphic failures when I wanted to start the OS. Now I have the ATI Radeon driver installed over the Terminal, but when I choose Ubuntu it just does those graphic fails.
[14:12] <Younder> compdoc: ok found him
[14:12] <martian> cristian_c: that's strange. Are you able to delete other folders?
[14:12] <Dwade09> how do i get rid of the folder untitled? http://imagebin.org/199392 it shows this http://imagebin.org/199393
[14:12] <Masterlorn> I have it installed next to Windows 64 bit Version
[14:12] <bazhang> Masterlorn, black screen?
[14:13] <Masterlorn> short
[14:13] <Masterlorn> after those fails
[14:13] <Masterlorn> seems like theres no signal then
[14:13] <Younder> compdoc: he is very private...
[14:13] <cristian_c> martian, thanks for the answer
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> Dwade09  try rm -r
[14:14] <Masterlorn> there is the fail then it gets black and my screen is going into stand by modus
[14:14] <Dwade09> MonkeyDust: i have
[14:14] <Dwade09> MonkeyDust:  inside the terminal it shows just the music folder and the untitled folder not the untitled.
[14:14] <playit> Martian: thanks
[14:14] <Anomie21> Is there an easy fix for unity popping up everytime I try and hit the back button in firefox yet?
[14:14] <Dwade09> MonkeyDust:  says that untitled does not exsist
[14:15] <martian> cristian_c: um, wasn't really an answer.
[14:15] <cristian_c> martian, But I did not understand what we are talking about folder :(
[14:15] <martian> Anomie21: go back to 11.04 :)
[14:15] <Anomie21> martian: but I don't wanna :(, Is it fixed in 12.04?
[14:15] <melvincv> cristian_c, who configured the routers for you?
[14:15] <Younder> Dwade09, The easiest was is to left click on background. Then select change background. And choose a different image.
[14:16] <martian> cristian_c: oh sorry, I responded to the wrong person!
[14:16] <Squarism> My 11.10 install of ubuntu amd64 is just damn horrible... all of a sudden it just totally stalls. Has anyone else experianced this shit?
[14:16] <Masterlorn> yep
[14:16] <Younder> Dwade09, The easiest was is to RIGHT click.. sorry
[14:16] <bazhang> Squarism, no cursing here
[14:16] <cristian_c> melvincv, I've configured it
[14:16] <Dwade09> Younder:  whats that have to do with my folder being there and not showing in terminal and cant get rid fo that middle folder?
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> Squarism  start from the beginning, what have you done and tried before you cale here
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> came*
[14:16] <Masterlorn> bazhang: can you help me?
[14:16] <playit> seriously though.. has anyone ever realized how much having a nice background like the ubuntu purple mac looking one and keeping 1 window per workspace and being able to see the background
[14:17] <martian> Dwade09: sounds like a bug. Have you tried logging out and in?
[14:17] <Squarism> MonkeyDust, i try using top.. looking at cpu, processes and memory
[14:17] <bazhang> Masterlorn, tried nomodeset?
[14:17] <playit> improves your mood and psych
[14:17] <Squarism> MonkeyDust, it just doesnt really tell what is bad
[14:17] <bazhang> !nomodeset | Masterlorn
[14:17] <Younder> Dwade09, Persumably nothing, but that is not what you asked.
[14:17] <roger_> any1 got any dj software
[14:17] <martian> playit: I like black =D
[14:17] <Dwade09> martian no i havent,
[14:17] <Masterlorn> bazhang: where? i can press E or C
[14:17] <Younder> Dwade09, Have you tried to reboot?
[14:17] <Dwade09> uh Younder  you need to relook at what i have asked, yes that is what i asked about the folder.
[14:18] <bazhang> Masterlorn, did you read the link?
[14:18] <cristian_c> melvincv, connection provider has provided the router to me
[14:18] <Masterlorn> ah
[14:18] <melvincv> !mixxx
[14:18] <Masterlorn> sry didnt saw that
[14:18] <Squarism> This is how my top looks http://pastebin.com/MRCyNeVN
[14:18] <martian> Dwade09: a logout/login should clear it. give that a try.
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> !info mixxx | melvincv
[14:18] <Masterlorn> bazhang: thanks im gonna try it out
[14:18] <playit> seriously ctrl alt shift and move this window to a blank workspace.. I feel like having everything fullscreen like i used to do was like being in a room with no windows
[14:19] <Dwade09> martian the logging in and out got rid of it
[14:19] <Squarism> -> MonkeyDust
[14:19] <Squarism> http://pastebin.com/MRCyNeVN
[14:19] <Younder> Dwade09, ok that Can not display ... message
[14:19] <playit> Martian: I used to make everything black.. dunno why..
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> Squarism  glad you found it
[14:19] <playit> anyways im done with the off topic thanks for the help
[14:19] <melvincv> !info mixxx | roger_
[14:19] <Dwade09> martain that fixed it,
[14:20] <varikonniemi> hello, i got this happen all of a sudden: mdadm[1382]: Rebuild20 event detected on md device /dev/md/0
[14:20] <cristian_c> martian, it is a long time I'm trying to solve, but I do not know what to do :(
[14:20] <varikonniemi> what can have cause it?
[14:20] <martian> Dwade09: sounds like a bug, but I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you can figure out exactlty how to make it happen again.
[14:20] <Squarism> MonkeyDust, i havent found out why my computer behaves like a 386 with 640k ram
[14:20] <Younder> Squarism, ouch
[14:20] <kpas_> when upgrading to 11.10 and I want to keep gnome do I need to install both of these pakages or one - gnome-session-fallback gnome-shell gnome-session-common
[14:20] <Squarism> Younder, what?
[14:21] <playit> oh and btw 1 more thing.. how many of you are using gnome 3.2? Unity froze both of my laptops
[14:21] <Squarism> Younder, could you see something?
[14:21] <roger_> im looking for different linux which is the best
[14:21] <Younder> Squarism, slow as molassis
[14:21] <tumppu> i love gnome3
[14:21] <bazhang> !ot | roger_
[14:21] <playit> dude roger_ don't even waste your time
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> roger_  Mint is very popular, these days
[14:21] <Squarism> Younder, yeah.. sporradically it stops responding almost... ui doesnt move at all
[14:21] <playit> I just did one of those .. im fed up with ubuntu try the alternatives
[14:21] <bazhang> roger_, this is ubuntu support. please stay on topic
[14:22] <bazhang> MonkeyDust, please dont recommend MINT here
[14:22] <playit> And I ended up coming back to ubuntu with some extra goodies ( Gnome 3.2 from my toying with Fedora )
[14:22] <roger_> which version of Ubuntu is the best
[14:22] <playit> web apps with epiphany after toying with Joli OS
[14:23] <cristian_c> melvincv, do you have some ideas on how to solve the problem?
[14:23] <Younder> Squarism, Sounds like a interrupt conflict. What device drivers are installed. say lsusb
[14:23] <melvincv> roger_, the latest, as it is with any other OS
[14:23] <compdoc> roger_, the newest version
[14:23] <b0ot> Where do I put .ko files to run at startup
[14:23] <b0ot> so I don't have to do insmod foo.ko
[14:24] <playit> Mint after realizing it was imo a cheap fork of ubuntu .. i mean come on.. ' we have no startup images because its designed that way.. its better because  it looks the same across all.. STFU you know your just too lazy to make a startup image different than ubuntu so you just deleted it and said it was a feature lol
[14:24] <roger_> im using 11.04 which should i use
[14:24] <melvincv> cristian_c, sorry
[14:24] <Younder> b0ot, you don't. use apt-get install
[14:24] <b0ot> Younder, what do mean
[14:24] <playit> the login screen and default themes in MINT are ugly as all too
[14:24] <b0ot> apt-get install foo.ko?
[14:24] <playit> what do you not like about 11.04?
[14:24] <Younder> b0ot, sudo apt-get install package.
[14:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> b0ot what are you ismodding
[14:25] <b0ot> custom serial drivers
[14:25] <cristian_c> melvincv, ok, I'll wait a bit :)
[14:25] <b0ot> it's not in apt-get
[14:25] <sungji> hi! I have a tar.gz file "hello.tar.gz", and tar -xzvf ./hello.tar.gz will extract its contents to ./hello/somefolder ...   How can I extract the contents of hello.tar.gz  into a folder "bye", such that the path is "bye/somefolder" and not "bye/hello/somefolder"  ?
[14:25] <chlame`45639> ciao
[14:25] <chlame`45639> !list
[14:25] <Younder> b0ot, there are no custum serial drivers. NVIDEA has it's own custom driver yes
[14:26] <Younder> But that is graphics
[14:26] <bigtom21485> why would my laptop no longer have wifi after updating to 11.10?
[14:26] <Younder> bigtom21485, It does.
[14:27] <philinux> bigtom21485: Whats the make of laptop
[14:27] <Younder> bigtom21485, It does. Have you checked this out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[14:27] <b0ot> Younder, this is something I had to compile myself
[14:27] <b0ot> you can't apt-get install it
[14:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> b0ot look at http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/ko - but you proabbly want to do it another way
[14:28] <Younder> B0ot: well do you have the source. I am pretty good at C!
[14:28] <playit> anyone use a self hosted dropbox type thing?
[14:28] <NetRunnerBlack> how do you check the version in terminal?
[14:29] <bazhang> NetRunnerBlack, the version of ubuntu?
[14:29] <overclucker> lol rootkit
[14:29] <NetRunnerBlack> bazhang: yes
[14:29] <playit> or better yet is the functionality built into ubuntu that I could do over local network?
[14:29] <bazhang> !version | NetRunnerBlack
[14:29] <Younder> B0ot: http://pastebin.com/archive/c
[14:29] <NetRunnerBlack> thank you
[14:30] <NetRunnerBlack> how do you change the ubuntu startup music?
[14:30]  * NetRunnerBlack is using 11.10 oneiric
[14:30] <Younder> NetRunnerBlack, http://vntutor.blogspot.com/2007/07/changing-startup-music-in-ubuntu.html
[14:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omByF8hD6EQ
[14:31] <playit> keeping folders synced over different computers so if one tanks I don't lose everything.. Is that considered safe? or is there a reason raid is > I remember reading about some auto cron job folder sync thing
[14:31] <linux_is_my_hero> why would my laptop not have wifi after being upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10?
[14:32] <bazhang> http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/12/how-to-change-startup-sound-for-ubuntu.html NetRunnerBlack
[14:32] <playit> different linux kernel?
[14:32] <Younder> linux_is_my_hero, It would obviously. Whatis wrong with the driver. How old is your card?
[14:32] <backbox_> heloo
[14:33] <linux_is_my_hero> Younder: its connected via ethernet now.
[14:33] <linux_is_my_hero> i don't remember what card it is, does lspci tell me?
[14:33] <playit> sometimes things regress in kernel upgrades.. I'd try selecting another kernel from boot until you can find the solution
[14:33] <meskarune> playit: http://www.ifolder.com/ifolder is a drop box clone type thing, but for local file sharing you can just use samba
[14:34] <playit> that way your not confined to the desktop your on right now
[14:34] <NetRunnerBlack> bazhang: I tried that, I has issues with step 2. I typed system into the Dash Home and got a differant menu, Is there a differant way to access that menu they are talking about?
[14:34] <NetRunnerBlack> had*
[14:34] <Younder> lspci gives fine info on my machine
[14:34] <Squarism> Younder, http://pastebin.ca/2118534
[14:35] <linux_is_my_hero> playit: its a broadcom bcm4311
[14:35] <playit> meskarune: thanks is there any way to automate the transfers of CHANGED files?
[14:35] <Younder> Squarism, Microsoft Corp. Natural Ergonomic Keyboard
[14:35] <Younder> Squarism, now that's unusual
[14:36] <Squarism> Younder, =D
[14:36] <Squarism> Younder, Think theyve installed linux malware into it?
[14:36] <Younder> Squarism, https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+bug/820873
[14:36] <playit> linux_is_my_hero: Im sure someone on here or the forums has more information I was just suggesting a temporary work-around if the old kernels show up at boot time
[14:37] <Younder> Squarism, nop, just a dud keyboard driver
[14:37] <NetRunnerBlack> bazhang: I also appreciate your patience, I know I'm a fumbling noob
[14:38] <Squarism> Sadly i dont think its related to htat
[14:39] <meskarune> playit: you could use rsync to sync folders and schedule that as a chron job
[14:40] <NetRunnerBlack> Does anyone know how to open up the system menu? The system settings one I get when I type 'sys' into Dash Home isn't working for what I need?
[14:42] <histo1> NetRunnerBlack: system settings?
[14:43]  * NetRunnerBlack is looking for one with the path System > Preferences > Sound
[14:43] <meskarune> playit: you coudl also check out unison. I've never used it, but I've heard good things: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[14:43] <histo1> NetRunnerBlack: right click on the volumke icon
[14:43] <NetRunnerBlack> histo1: No, that doesn't have what I'm looking for. I'm trying to change the .ogg that plays on login to a .wav I downloaded.
[14:43] <histo1> NetRunnerBlack: or gnome-control-center
[14:44] <NetRunnerBlack> histo1: Where can I find the gnome-control-center? I typed that in to Dash Home and just got System Settings again
[14:44] <meskarune> playit: here is a how to for rsync: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/synchronize_files_with_rsync/
[14:45] <Younder> NetRunnerBlack, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=175090
[14:46] <Younder> NetRunnerBlack, It needs to be .ogg
[14:46] <MidnighToker> good afternoon. I'm trying to find a package for boost for ubuntu lucid, but it only seems to have the 1.40 version, apparently I need version 1.41 or greater. -So my question is, can I install a newer version of boost in older ubuntu or can I easily update the entire ubuntu install to one that supports boost ok please :)
[14:47] <fellayaboy> Hey im having a problem... I installed.some openbon junk on my box anf it created a user openvpn and openvpn_as so i sudo deluser openvpn and i tried sudo delgroup openvpn and it.gave me a message of it cant cuz user openvpn_as is the only user or something.like that but now i dont have access to nothing all o get os accessed denied
[14:47] <histo> NetRunnerBlack: i'm tyring to find what you need
[14:47] <NetRunnerBlack> Younder: Thanks. Should I just rename the file to desktop-login.ogg and delete the current sound?
[14:47] <NetRunnerBlack> histo:Thanks.
[14:48] <lurch_1> hi, trying to do apt-get-install sun-java6-jdk.. I added the repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner", did an apt-get update, but still no luck.. it's an installation procedure that is performed from inside some code, so it's not really something i can change easily. The procedure was working fine a day ago.. I see the timestamps on the Release file on http://archive.canonical.com/dists/lucid/ changed to today, so am wonderi
[14:48] <martian> fellayaboy: it sounds like you should have listened to the warnings. Boot up in to single user recovery mode and create a new user
[14:48] <linux_is_my_hero> anyone know anything about why newer linux kernels make drivers stop working?
[14:48] <Younder> NetRunnerBlack, Heavens, you need to convert it to .ogg format first
[14:48] <histo> NetRunnerBlack: they are just calling an application on login. You can find this under your startup applications
[14:48] <Sach> Is there a user-friendly package that I can use in ubuntu 11.03 to create flash slideshows for my website?
[14:48] <fellayaboy> I already have my user...
[14:48] <NetRunnerBlack> Younder: I know :) I meant after converting it
[14:49] <fellayaboy> Mt username is kobra and i changed nothing on it
[14:49] <Younder> NetRunnerBlack, yes
[14:49] <calamity> Heya, just installed conky, looking to play with it, not sure where it's hiding
[14:50] <Nimanicka> Hej can i feed my fennec fox with horse meat ?
[14:50] <auronandace> calamity: type conky in the terminal, careful the default is ugly
[14:50] <fellayaboy> I dont even have access to reboot or shitdown my pc wow
[14:50] <kpas_> calamity, look for .conky
[14:50] <huangzheng> 888
[14:51] <Nimanicka> Or should i use cat food instead?
[14:51] <histo> calamity: it's a terminal app it doesn't have a gui
[14:51] <calamity> Ah okay.
[14:51] <histo> calamity: for configuration that it
[14:51] <martian> fellayaboy: well, something happened that is not allowing you to log in to that account. If you boot into single user mode, you can passwd that user
[14:51] <Younder> Nimanicka, Sure you can, all that will happen is you'll kill it. Seriously what has that gotta do with Ubuntu?
[14:51] <Nimanicka> He looks kinda sick
[14:51] <histo> calamity: it can be called in your startup applications. You can configure it by editing your ~/.conkyrc   If you use locate conkyrc  you should be able to find a sample in the documentation. Or look in /etc
[14:52] <Nimanicka> I dont know any other irc
[14:52] <Nimanicka> I dont know any other irc
[14:52] <Younder> Nimanicka, Well you sound kinds sick...
[14:52] <histo> !ot | Nimanicka
[14:53] <kpas_> calamity,  do you want a script that will start conky on startup
[14:53] <calamity> auronandace: you were right. it's butt ugly. actually, I have a cute butt. so it's... roadkill ugly.
[14:53] <fellayaboy> How dobi boot onto songle iser mode
[14:53] <calamity> kpas_: nah I can work that out, just was wondering if there was a conky gui, guess not though XD
[14:53] <NetRunnerBlack> histo Younder: Thanks so much guys!
[14:53] <fellayaboy> How do i boot into single user mode
[14:53] <martian> fellayaboy: when you boot up, grub gives you the option
[14:53] <Nimanicka> Younder Why you are so mean?
[14:53] <kpas_> calamity, yeah no GUI that I know of
[14:53] <martian> Nimanicka: perhaps you have something better to do with your time
[14:54] <Sach> Is there a user-friendly package that I can use in ubuntu 11.04 to create flash slideshows for my website?
[14:54] <fellayaboy> Ok i booted as root
[14:54] <calamity> fellayaboy: you shouldn't be on irc as root.
[14:54] <Nimanicka> No
[14:54] <auronandace> calamity: i think by default it uses /etc/conky/conk.conf as the config file
[14:54] <auronandace> conky.conf
[14:54] <Nimanicka> Not rly
[14:54] <fellayaboy> Im not on irc from pc
[14:54] <Nimanicka> Who played In skyrim?
[14:54] <Myrtti> MidnighToker: in general it is not adviced that you install a newer version from a newer Ubuntu, let me have look on other options
[14:54] <calamity> Ah.
[14:55] <auronandace> Nimanicka: stop the off-topic talk please
[14:55] <Nimanicka> Btw there is me3 demo
[14:55] <fellayaboy> I get openvpn_as still has openvpn_as as thier primery group!
[14:55] <Myrtti> Nimanicka: did you have Ubuntu related question or a problem or are you looking for a general chat channel?
[14:55] <Nimanicka> Its same ot like conky
[14:55] <fellayaboy> When i try delete openvpn as
[14:55] <calamity> Sach: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1060304 but please think twice before using flash. I never use it in webdesign, look for alternatives, via css
[14:56] <martian> fellayaboy: delete the user first
[14:56] <petrovv> what is a default/convenient GUI password generator for Ubuntu?
[14:56] <Nimanicka> Actualy conky got nothing To do with ubu so how that ot is ok and mine is not?
[14:56] <Nimanicka> Actualy conky got nothing To do with ubu so how that ot is ok and mine is not?
[14:56] <auronandace> Nimanicka: this is a support channel, telling someone how to use conky under ubuntu is support related, feeding foxes horse-meat isn't
[14:56] <NetRunnerBlack> Younder: I'm pretty sure I followed all the steps but the converter didn't work
[14:57] <fellayaboy> I did and then tried.to delete group and i got the same.message
[14:57] <martian> petrovv: there is one built in to the add user gui
[14:57] <calamity> auronandace: dem trolls, don't be feeding.
[14:57] <Sach> calamity thanks.  do you have any suggestions for css packages?
[14:57] <martian> fellayaboy: what does it say when you try to delete the user?
[14:58] <fellayaboy> I put deluser openvpnas  said openvonas has no more members cannot lock /rtc/passed
[14:58] <fellayaboy> Passwd i mean
[14:58] <calamity> Sach: packages? no. http://demo.tutorialzine.com/2009/11/beautiful-apple-gallery-slideshow/demo.html
[14:58] <Nimanicka> Are u rascist of some sort? The fact that im black is not ecsuse To be rude
[14:58] <NetRunnerBlack> Younder: Is that a converter that's worked in the past for you?
[14:59] <auronandace> bazhang: thanks
[14:59] <Bobenhaus> have you guys noticed alot of updates lately from the software manager?
[14:59] <martian> fellayaboy: what does "echo ~" print?
[14:59] <MidnighToker> Myrtti: hmm... lucid is the lts which is why i'm sticking with it for the server, but i'm happy to use a newer version if it comes to it. just wonder if I can do a nice and easy upgrade rather than starting from scratch
[14:59] <fellayaboy> It also says /usr/sbin/userdel openvon returned error code 1
[14:59] <bazhang> Nimanicka, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat NOT here
[15:00] <Nimanicka> What just happend?
[15:00] <fellayaboy> It says /root
[15:00] <Myrtti> MidnighToker: 12.04 LTS is only a few months away, if you're not in a huge hurry... :-/
[15:00] <compdoc> Nimanicka, no one cares, or even knows what your color is
[15:00] <liberal> Nimanicka: the same thing that is likely about to happen again
[15:01] <MidnighToker> Myrtti: its a home server rather than anything special. I'll have a look at upgrading it from lts and see how badly it all breaks :)
[15:01] <petrovv> Myrtti, it is possible to go from 10.04 to 12.04 directly?
[15:01] <Nimanicka> Bazhang u also dont like black bi sexual humans that u kicked me ?
[15:01] <calamity> I only just recenlty upgraded to 11.04
[15:01] <calamity> I like to hang back :p
[15:01] <Myrtti> petrovv: yes, once 12.04 is out.
[15:02] <auronandace> petrovv: yes, you can upgrade an lts to the next lts
[15:02] <petrovv> Myrtti, that's great news, I stick to 10.04 on this desktop for stability reasons
[15:02] <martian> fellayaboy: go in to your /etc folder and see if there file named passwd.lock, group.lock, or gshadow.lock
[15:02] <absence> can i install 32-bit libs on 64-bit ubuntu in order to compile 32-bit stuff?
[15:02] <theadmin> absence: Correct, the packagename (if I recall right) is ia32-libs
[15:03] <theadmin> !info ia32-libs | absence
[15:03] <theadmin> Bah
[15:03] <theadmin> Just a sec, I'll find it
[15:03] <petrovv> auronandace, if not for lack of updates I'd stay on 10.04 indefinitely - everything just works
[15:03] <auronandace> !find ia32
[15:03] <absence> hm
[15:03] <theadmin> absence: Yeah that's the right name... Apparently ubottu doesn't search through all packages
[15:04] <absence> i need libgdbm3
[15:04] <auronandace> !info ia32-libs-multiarch
[15:05] <petrovv> talking about 12.04 - will they include Gnome 2.* as an option, or perhaps forked stuff like Cinnamon?
[15:05] <fellayaboy> I dont have .locj but -.or nothing aftet all of them
[15:05] <theadmin> petrovv: No, and no. Gnome2 is deprecated, Cinnamon might end up in the repos though. Please go to #ubuntu+1 for Precise support
[15:05] <auronandace> petrovv: gnome2 is dead, 12.04 talk is in #ubuntu+1, i doubt they'll support cinnamon
[15:05] <fellayaboy> I have gshadow and gshadow-  rhe dame.forbpasswd and group
[15:05] <petrovv> oic
[15:06] <Nimanicka> Who like lady gaga?
[15:06] <fellayaboy> The same for passwd and group*
[15:06] <theadmin> petrovv: Cinnamon has an official PPA anyway so you can use that
[15:06] <rabbi11> i got 2 compiz settings manager, how can i remove both and then get a fresh install and fresh configuration for desktop?
[15:06] <absence> theadmin: how does this multiarch stuff work? ia32-libs-multiarch depends on the lib i want. if i apt-cache show it, it says "Multi-Arch: same"
[15:07] <theadmin> absence: I honestly have no idea, been using 32-bit systems my whole life to avoid the headache :D
[15:08] <rabbi11> i got 2 compiz settings manager, how can i remove both and then get a fresh install and fresh configuration for desktop?
[15:08] <MidnighToker> Myrtti: don't suppose you know of a recent ubuntu server openvz image?
[15:08] <NetRunnerBlack> Younder: I got it working
[15:08] <martian> fellayaboy: what's the output of "ls -la /etc/passwd"
[15:08] <fellayaboy> How is 64 bit now? R there.stikl issues
[15:08] <auronandace> fellayaboy: no issues for me
[15:10] <fellayaboy> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1767 date time /etc/passwd
[15:10] <martian> fellayaboy: well damn, I can't think of what else would cause this.
[15:10] <fellayaboy> Auro r there.progtams.that say they do.t function cuz of 64 bit
[15:11] <Supreme> Hey what's the download speed of ubuntu.com?
[15:11] <theadmin> Supreme: What do you mean?
[15:11] <theadmin> Supreme: ubuntu.com doesn't host images, only mirrors do (well, unless you count releases.ubuntu.com)
[15:12] <fellayaboy> Ima have to reinstall
[15:13] <auronandace> fellayaboy: there isn't a lot that doesn't work in 64bit
[15:13] <raffietaffie> Hello!
[15:13] <fellayaboy> I see
[15:13] <UndergrounD> i would like to clean up the dependency trees on my system.  I have been diving in head first  to linux and have installed and uninstalled many apps and also prformed many changes
[15:13] <Supreme> ?
[15:14] <absence> theadmin: aha! apt-get install libgdbm3:i386
[15:14] <UndergrounD> my system is now taking a long time to boot
[15:14] <martian> Supreme: "?" is not a question.
[15:14] <theadmin> absence: Now that's a confusing one
[15:14] <UndergrounD> i say long it still boots faster then windows
[15:14] <skar3> hi all
[15:15] <athul__> can anyone tell me how to extract a substring from a match using sed?
[15:15] <vimpulse> skar3:  hi.
[15:15] <vimpulse> athul__:  checked a sed tutorial already?  :)
[15:15] <martian> UndergrounD: having a bunch of unused libraries installed doesn't affect boot time. Those libs are only loaded by applications that request them.
[15:15] <athul__> yes
[15:15] <vimpulse> athul__:  which one?
[15:15] <UndergrounD> ok so most likely its some settings i have messed up
[15:15] <vimpulse> athul__:  also, what did you try, and what happened?
[15:15] <athul__> catonmat.net
[15:16] <athul__> what i'm trying to do is extract all the string between two strings and then print them out on separate line
[15:16] <UndergrounD> i can reinstall but im not going to learn  a whole lot from doing that
[15:17] <vimpulse> athul__:  I'm looking at http://www.catonmat.net/ (the homepage) but I don't see any sed tutorial.  :(
[15:17] <absence> theadmin: it installs 32-bit version of the libs on my 64-bit system. now i just need to figure out how to use them for compiling :P
[15:17] <athul__> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/sed-stream-editor-cheat-sheet/
[15:17] <martian> UndergrounD: if I had to guess, I would look for daemons that are trying to make network connections or something
[15:17] <calamity> okay conky is currently looking good, except there's a biiig gap between some of the elements. How would I remove any extra lines?
[15:17] <Younder> athul__, You need the 64 bit version
[15:18] <athul__> what ? :|
[15:18] <UndergrounD> ok tks ill chk
[15:18] <vimpulse> athul__:  cheat sheets are nice.  See also http://www.refcards.com/ . But you're new to sed, so you need a tutorial instead.  :)
[15:18] <Younder> athul__, 32 bit works under 64 bit but it's slow
[15:18] <auronandace> UndergrounD: maybe using the mini.iso will be interesting for you
[15:19] <vimpulse> Younder:  how much slower?  :)
[15:19] <Younder> athul__, like 32 bit flash is your only option, but you don't wanna rely on 32 bit libraries
[15:19] <Younder> vimpulse, roughly 30-50%
[15:20] <vimpulse> athul__:  "<Younder> athul__, You need the 64 bit version" was meant for theadmin.
[15:20] <athul__> I need to get this done ASAP. I tried: sed -n 's|<title>\(.*\)</title>|\n\1|p'. But it dosen't work
[15:20] <iceroot> athul__: #bash #sed
[15:20] <vimpulse> athul__:  ah -- you now told us what you tried, and what happened.  Thank you.  That's the first real step.
[15:21] <OY1R> q: im trying to install ubuntu on a small laptop from a USB drive but it hangs once the usb loads (i only see the "live cd" menu
[15:21] <vimpulse> athul__:  iceroot is right.  You may get help faster in #sed.
[15:21] <[snake]> I installed my system in french, but now my software center cannot choose to be in english(I swap between the two). How can I get Software center to switch to english in ubuntu 10.10 x86_64?
[15:21] <calamity> nevermind, got it
[15:21] <UndergrounD> sweet tks auro... going to give that a try
[15:21] <Ghrim> Hey, if I choose encrypted home when installing, what happens if I choose to install another distro later and want to keep my home?
[15:22] <vimpulse> [snake]:  try this in a terminal:  LANG= software-center
[15:22] <vimpulse> [snake]:  the "LANG= " makes sure the environment variable "LANG" is not set to French.
[15:22] <iceroot> Ghrim: its not a good idea to have one /home for different distributions
[15:22] <vimpulse> Ghrim:  dunno.  If you reinstall, back up your home directory to an unencrypted USB stick.  Why switch between distros?
[15:23] <vimpulse> Younder:  thank you.  30-50% slower to compile what sorts of things?
[15:23] <Ghrim> oh... i thought that was the point of having home on a separate partition?
[15:24] <Ghrim> and because I'm new to linux and i'm not sure what I want from a distro yet
[15:24] <[snake]> vimpulse, I got no output, should I type in english or something :D
[15:24] <vimpulse> Ghrim:  what *do* you want from a distro?  :)
[15:24] <vimpulse> [snake]:  try this instead, and please tell us what happens:  software-center
[15:24] <jpds> Ghrim: Just mount the encrypted partition from the other distro?
[15:25] <UndergrounD> it seems to be a tcl problem all this started after messing with an eggdrop
[15:25] <Ghrim> how does the encryption work? Do i need some kind of password for it?
[15:25] <jpds> Ghrim: Well, actually, that depends on which crypto method you use.
[15:25] <sweb> any command line tools for convert ttf to otf ?
[15:25] <Ghrim> I'm talking about the option in the normal installer
[15:25] <vimpulse> sweb:  dunno.  Why do you want to convert ttf to otf?
[15:25] <[snake]> vimpulse, the descritpions are still in french... perhaps I left that detail out accidentally: it's only the descriptions for packages before I hit more info that are in french.
[15:26] <Ghrim> whatever that one does
[15:26] <sweb> vimpulse: using font-face in web pages
[15:26] <vimpulse> [snake]:  apt-cache definitely holds English descriptions.  LANG= apt-cache show banshee
[15:26] <popey> Ghrim: if you choose the encryption option in the ubuntu installer you'll get an 'ecryptfs' encrypted home, not all distros use/support this method of encryption
[15:26] <vimpulse> [snake]:  does that solve your problem?
[15:27] <Masterlorn> ok
[15:27] <Masterlorn> now I can start ubuntu
[15:27] <Masterlorn> but I cant use my mouse
[15:27] <Masterlorn> its there
[15:27] <vimpulse> sweb:  dunno.  Try again here, if you don't get help after too long, tell #web that you want to use font-face in web pages, then ask them what else you can try.  Maybe there's some font converter online or something.  They can tell you what to try.
[15:27] <Masterlorn> and I can activate windows over the taskbar
[15:27] <Masterlorn> but on the actual workspace I cant do anything
[15:28] <vimpulse> Masterlorn:  you could enable Mouse Keys then use those all day :)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys
[15:28] <Ghrim> hmm I guess I'll just back up my home folder when i switch distro
[15:28] <vimpulse> Masterlorn:  just kidding.  Mouse Keys are really frustrating.
[15:28] <vimpulse> Ghrim:  good idea.
[15:28] <Masterlorn> _D
[15:28] <UndergrounD> hmmmmmmm seems to be the sharing of tcl to eggdrop    now to remove tcl and eggdrop am i better to use autoremove or --purge-remove
[15:28] <Masterlorn> :D
[15:29] <iceroot> UndergrounD: they are totally different
[15:30] <Masterlorn> has anybody a solution to solve that problem?
[15:31] <[snake]> Masterlorn, please explain your problem in one convenient message with all the necessary information in the future.
[15:31] <skamster> hello all, i've a little question about xorg.. i've yet both installed on my system, binary nvidia-drivers and nouveau.. i like to change to nouveau to use randr the right way.. since i've removed xorg.conf, randr works but don't detect the hdmi-output, so not the second screen
[15:32] <skamster> my xorg.0.log: /msg NickServ identify
[15:32] <vimpulse> skamster:  what command did you use to install binary nvidia drivers?  Hint:  history | less -i
[15:32] <UndergrounD> i want to completly remove both tcl and eggdrop and then ill reinstall im still a noob here but learning fast.    autoremove then?
[15:33] <skamster> what's confusing: it loads first nvidia, the nouveau.. then it detects both displays, couldn't set a mode for one and fail about that (it tells, it loads the deprecated nv)
[15:33] <Masterlorn> Ok I cant use my Mouse properly. It is there and I can move it but I cant click anything except from the Apps in the Toolbar on the left.  I use Win7 64 bit and I have Ubuntu 11.10 64 bit installed
[15:33] <vimpulse> skamster:  2.  also, why do you not want to use the regular nv driver?  :)
[15:33] <[snake]> well vimpulse, it's not working... It's simply outputting information about the application that I type such as "banshee"
[15:34] <vimpulse> [snake]:  that's what it should do.  :)
[15:34] <skamster> vimpulse, because of default-settings and a new graphic-card
[15:34] <skamster> ;)
[15:34] <vimpulse> Masterlorn:  does it work fine in Windows?  Note:  I am not claiming your problem.  :)
[15:34] <Masterlorn> never had any problems on windows :d
[15:34] <Masterlorn> :D
[15:34] <vimpulse> [snake]:  you wanted to see English descriptions, right?  Preferably in software-center, correct?
[15:34] <iceroot> UndergrounD: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[15:35] <iceroot> UndergrounD: autoremove is something different
[15:35] <[snake]> vimpulse, ah, i see now, thanks!
[15:35] <UndergrounD> ok thanks
[15:35] <vimpulse> [snake]:  you're welcome :)
[15:35] <Masterlorn> but my keyboard works fine btw
[15:35] <quiescens> purge does not do what a lot of people think it does
[15:35] <vimpulse> iceroot:  why use --purge ?
[15:35] <iceroot> vimpulse: to remove conffiles
[15:35] <skamster> no idea why it don't detect hdmi?
[15:35] <vimpulse> iceroot:  why?  The user may have edited their conffiles.  :)
[15:36] <iceroot> vimpulse: "conffile" has a different meaning for dpkg
[15:36] <iceroot> vimpulse: apt-get will NEVER remove configuration fils from /home/username/
[15:36] <vimpulse> iceroot:  for me, /etc/dansguardian/dansguardian.conf is a conffile that I've edited.
[15:36] <Asifan> hello
[15:36] <iceroot> vimpulse: yes
[15:36] <vimpulse> Asifan:  hi :)
[15:36] <tom95> hi, I installed libsocialweb for using its dbus, but it doesnt show up in d-feet. Restarting didnt help either, do I have to run explicitly or something?
[15:36] <theadmin> vimpulse: apt-get remove won't touch that, apt-get purge will though
[15:36] <vimpulse> iceroot:  why would i ever want to remove it?  :)
[15:36] <Asifan> please some one help me with UBUNTU unstallation
[15:36] <iceroot> vimpulse: he said "how to remove foobar completly"
[15:36] <Asifan> installation
[15:37] <vimpulse> iceroot:  why did he want to remove it completely?  :)
[15:37] <iceroot> vimpulse: ask him
[15:37] <vimpulse> Asifan:  hi.  What is your first language?
[15:37] <litropy> I'm having a problem with possibly the video driver for my dvi out itself. When I'm in OS X, the picture is smooth. In Ubuntu on the same machine, it's choppy. Is there a better chan for this?
[15:37] <Asifan> english/arabic both are fine
[15:37] <iceroot> vimpulse: e.g. you want to remove them if you never need the package again, if you messed up with the configuration file
[15:38] <iceroot> vimpulse: and as i said already "conffile" has a special meaning for dpkg
[15:38] <iceroot> vimpulse: e.g. /etc/init.d/apache2 is a conffile  but you will never edit the file like /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
[15:38] <alexeilevitsky> hi guys
[15:38] <alexeilevitsky> I have a problem
[15:39] <tensorpudding> !ask
[15:39] <iceroot> vimpulse: so understand what a conffile is maybe have a look at "divert" in the manpage from dpkg
[15:39] <alexeilevitsky> My Windows installation is in the same sda as another partition, what happens if i delete the ubuntu partition?
[15:39] <Bobenhaus> damn software update is taking forever wtf??!?
[15:39] <iceroot> vimpulse: also /etc/cron.d/awstats is a conffile and you will normally never edit that file
[15:40] <Bobenhaus> !wtf
[15:40] <vimpulse> Asifan:  welcome.  Please ask your question.  Please also tell us what you tried and what it did.  If it all fits on one line, then please don't press Enter in mid-question.  :)
[15:40] <martian> alexeilevitsky: that will be fine
[15:40] <how2changekeyrin> how can i change the keyring password in ubuntu 10.04?
[15:40] <vimpulse> iceroot:  fair point :)
[15:40] <alexeilevitsky> martian, i tried once before and it made my comp unable to boot
[15:40] <Bobenhaus> !software-manager
[15:40] <alexeilevitsky> couldn't find NT sumthing
[15:40] <theadmin> how2changekeyrin: seahorse
[15:40] <martian> Unable to boot in to windows?
[15:40] <alexeilevitsky> is it 100% safe?
[15:40] <alexeilevitsky> yes
[15:40] <litropy> I'm now trying the following: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/341279-Ubuntu-11-04-choppy-video-playback-fix
[15:41] <stephans_> Is there a way in ubuntu to set witch display will be the main display if oyu have a laptop and a external monitor?
[15:41] <vimpulse> UndergrounD:  Did you want to remove even the conffiles?  You usually shouldn't need to do that.  And if you edited them, --purge will permanently delete your changes.
[15:41] <alexeilevitsky> the sda is ntfs tough
[15:41] <alexeilevitsky> :\
[15:41] <theadmin> stephans_: lxrandr does that, there might be some way to do so with the default setting tools as well
[15:41] <ryann> wow, ubuntu desktop installation doesn't recognize software raid?
[15:41] <alexeilevitsky> It's really fuckedup
[15:41] <iceroot> ryann: the alternate cd does
[15:41] <theadmin> ryann: Yeah, only the alternate install CD deals with raid installs, still have no idea why
[15:41] <ryann> thanks iceroot.
[15:41] <ryann> yea annoying
[15:42] <stephans_> theadmin: ok
[15:42] <ryann> seems all that would be needed is to load the kernel module
[15:42] <iceroot> theadmin: no space on the normal cd for that, also it will confuse users
[15:42] <Masterlorn> i cant use my mouse properly on ubuntu 11.10 64bit can anyone help me?
[15:42] <ryann> i already have the raid configured
[15:42] <vimpulse> !wtf
[15:42] <vimpulse> alexeilevitsky:  :)  there are sometimes even preteens in here.
[15:42] <martian> alexeilevitsky: the sda is not ntfs. SDA means Sata Drive A. A drive doesn't have a format; only a partition does.
[15:42] <alexeilevitsky> vimpulse wtf?
[15:42] <eSoul> does anyone know something I can cat (something in /proc possibly?) that gives the motherboard model?
[15:42] <vimpulse> alexeilevitsky:  go ahead... ask :)
[15:43] <UndergrounD> i copied my conf file so i can replace after reinstall
[15:43] <iceroot> UndergrounD: and what is the point of reinstall then?
[15:43] <alexeilevitsky> martian, what i mean is that it's multi boot in the same /dev/sda4.. can anything go wrong?
[15:43] <alexeilevitsky> if i delete ubuntu?
[15:43] <vimpulse> UndergrounD:  if you leave out "--purge" it won't delete the conffile in the first place.
[15:43] <alexeilevitsky> It's fucked up man
[15:43] <iceroot> UndergrounD: linux is not windows and reinstall is normally useless
[15:43] <Asifan> ok, so, i am tryong to install ubuntu, but is doesn't work. I am using an Intel MacbookPro. Live CD stopped working in Ubuntu 11.10, installation on a live USB, the USB does not get recognised by the EFI system, so I tried instaling it using EFI boot program, but the screen goes black and nothing happens. i tried instaling ubuntu on the HHD itself on its own, but when i restart the computer i get no file found. i kid you not to tell
[15:43] <iceroot> alexeilevitsky: stop with that language
[15:43] <vimpulse> alexeilevitsky:  if you do not watch your language you will be forcibly removed from channel.
[15:43] <martian> alexeilevitsky: I'm fairly sure that you should be able to delete it, but I certainly couldn't tell you it's risk free
[15:43] <iceroot> alexeilevitsky: we told you already
[15:43] <alexeilevitsky> ok
[15:43] <theadmin> eSoul: This isn't exactly cat'ing, but dmidecode can help you (gives hardware information as specified by BIOS)
[15:44] <vimpulse> eSoul:  lshw also might help.  or SiSoft Sandra(tm).  Why do you want your mobo model?
[15:44] <alexeilevitsky> still, you think "pre-teens" in here won't talk like so in real life?
[15:44] <UndergrounD> i think the prob is lying in tcl it seems
[15:44] <eSoul> Thanks, theadmin, just needed something to get some info out, and vimpulse, just so i dont have to open the case to find it out, hah
[15:44] <theadmin> eSoul: "sudo dmidecode --baseboard-product-name" will give it to you :)
[15:44] <UndergrounD> so im looking at it first
[15:45] <alexeilevitsky> also, since when do preteens use computer for more than games-for-windows?
[15:45] <theadmin> err
[15:45] <iceroot> !ot | alexeilevitsky
[15:45] <theadmin> eSoul: Pardon, got it wrong: "sudo dmidecode -s baseboard-product-name"
 thanks
[15:45] <alexeilevitsky> thanks bob
[15:45] <eSoul> ahh, thank you for the correction.
[15:45] <UndergrounD> believe me i am so determined to learn i will inevitably mess things up but thats the learning curv
[15:46] <vimpulse> eSoul:  now i'm curious.  what's the real root cause of you wanting to know your mobo model?  :)
[15:47] <eSoul> vimpulse: lol, mostly so I can check its hackintosh compatibilty -- I have only one intel/sandy bridge pc
[15:47] <vimpulse> eSoul:  :)
[15:48] <eSoul> I knew all that stuff was encoded in the bios/chips on the board, just wanted to read it out
[15:48] <UndergrounD> and for the little editing that i have done on my eggdrop conf if i loos it no big deal writing the bot is the easy part
[15:48] <eSoul> and its a mini-itx and I dont even know if I could read the markings on it if I opened it up with stuff in its way
[15:48] <vimpulse> Asifan:  was "i kid you not to tell" the end of your question?  Every question should end with a question mark, and yours didn't.  :)
[15:49] <davidvip> hi there, i have usb connected mobile 3G connection that would like to be shared to others over local LAN via router, what should i do?
[15:50] <theadmin> davidvip: Err... consult your router's manufacturer? I don't think any routers run Ubuntu honestly
[15:50] <eSoul> its outside the scope of this channel
[15:50] <Ghrim> Is there a way to make the menus not show until they are completely loaded? It annoys me that the text shows first, and then the icons.
[15:50] <davidvip> theadmin, mobile > laptop > router > others
[15:50] <theadmin> !ics | davidvip
[15:51] <martian> Ghrim: no
[15:51] <Ghrim> well that sucks
[15:51] <Asifan> vimpulse: you told me not to ue more than one line, and i ran out of charachters. i kid you not when i tell you i have been at it for several months with no success, i even tried installing ubuntu on sony vio and still not possible, a kernel problem. i have the latest ubuntu ad i have been in this channel daily . so can someone please tel me how to install ubuntu properly rather than just "it should work"?
[15:51] <davidvip> ubottu, thanks
[15:51] <martian> Ghrim: yeah, such a huge problem :-P
[15:51] <Ghrim> ocd man...
[15:52] <theadmin> Ghrim: If Unity is slow for you, why not use another desktop environment?
[15:52] <Ghrim> its just that extra bit of polish that makes all the difference
[15:52] <eSoul> Asifan: are your downloads correct/md5 hashed verified?
[15:52] <Ghrim> im using straight up gnome as it is, not unity
[15:52] <Asifan> yes
[15:52] <KBentley57> hey guys, can someone provide a link to the ubuntu kernel config for 12.04 alpha 2?
[15:52] <Asifan> eSoul: yes
[15:52] <KBentley57> I can't find a link to it online