[00:33] <baileyweiler> hey all, has anyone tried to install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia site and gotten a message that a Xen Kernel is installed?
[00:33] <RAOF> Yup.  Anyone who's tried to install the drivers from nvidia.com has seen that message :)
[00:34] <baileyweiler> hahaha, awesome
[00:34] <baileyweiler> nice to know Nvidia loves us
[00:35] <RAOF> There's a patch on ubuntuforums, in the Intrepid section.
[00:36] <baileyweiler> dandy, thanks
[01:08] <DanaG> argh, ralink rt2500 doesn't work.
[01:09] <bazhang> DanaG, is this an external pcmcia card
[01:11] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:12] <DanaG> Cardbus, rather. (I'm kind of ****-retentive on that (and yes, the asterisks are me hitting '*'))
[01:13] <DanaG> Also, the LEDs act a bit oddly.
[01:14] <DanaG> The "power" LED blinks on activity.... and the "activity" LED.... does nothing.
[01:14] <bazhang> while the company ralink is nice as far as OSS goes, their cards are just not that good in my experience.
[01:25] <DanaG> Yeah, and the antenna is rather suck-tacular.
[01:26] <bazhang> took me two weeks straight of sleepless work to get it going on Suse 10 (back in the day)
[01:29] <DanaG> I wonder if even Broadcom works any better.
[01:30] <bazhang> much.
[01:30] <RAOF> Can you get cardbus intel cards?  'Cause they Just Work.
[01:31] <DanaG> I think you can, actually.
[01:31] <DanaG> One interesting thing I wish somebody still sold:
[01:31] <DanaG> oh heck, I might be better off ndiswrapping the card.
[01:32] <DanaG> warning, pdf: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minipci.biz%2Fvytek_ps_cardbus_Instructions_07-04.pdf&ei=-XppSIH4MJKOsAPLvJGnDQ&usg=AFQjCNGQwTHy0nN4SOdNgJaehxWmi8b-Bw&sig2=OilrS649eGi1jo3vahtVdQ
[01:32] <DanaG> argh, damn googlified links!
[01:32] <DanaG> http://www.minipci.biz/vytek_ps_cardbus_Instructions_07-04.pdf
[01:36] <DanaG> Hmm, for ndiswrapping (yes, using it as a verb)... are 98/Me, 2k, or XP drivers better to use?
[01:38]  * RAOF shrugs.
[01:59] <DanaG> Oh heck, it doesn't even work with ndiswrapper.
[02:04] <bazhang> iirc the 98 worked the best.
[02:04] <bazhang> for relative values of best :)
[02:14] <ASULutzy> Wow, I'm very impressed with Intrepid, even though it's alpha 1
[02:14] <ASULutzy> My wireless works out of the box (although the light still has the "off" color, should I report this?)
[02:15] <bazhang> report all :)
[02:16] <ASULutzy> bazhang: To be fair, I haven't restarted yet, I should try that before I can be 100% sure the light is staying orange and not turning blue ;)
[02:16] <bazhang> :)
[02:24] <DanaG> Odd: my onboard audio device goes silent when the volume hits 50% or lower.
[02:26] <derekS> how is the best way to determine a crash? my intrepid system has been crashing, i think i narrowed it down based on what i am doing (narrowed down to network) but i want to be sure, any suggestions?
[02:29] <DanaG> What behavior are you getting?
[02:29] <derekS> DanaG: kernel crash. everything freezes, cant even ssh in
[02:30] <derekS> i have tried all the sysrq stuff, doesn't work
[02:30] <ASULutzy> Is there anyway to load up Intrepid's theme in hardy? I like it a lot
[02:32] <derekS> ASULutzy: which is the new theme? mine looks like the old?
[02:32] <DanaG> Hmm, does caps lock start blinking?  If so, that's a kernel panic.
[02:32] <ASULutzy> The dark theme?
[02:32] <DanaG> One thing that helps: switch to a console so you'll be able to actually read the panic message.
[02:33] <derekS> DanaG: i don't believe so
[02:33] <derekS> but i can't get to a console
[02:33] <derekS> everything is locked up
[02:33] <derekS> ASULutzy: them name
[02:33] <derekS> ?
[02:33] <ASULutzy> Hmmm, how do I mount a samba drive? Apparently smbmount doesn't exist anymore?
[02:34] <ASULutzy> derekS: The theme doesn't have a name, it's just listed as "custom", it looks very similar to Hardy's theme except it's dark
[02:35] <derekS> ASULutzy: oh, i gotta check it out, i think i customized mine a while ago, so i have the old stuff
[02:35] <DanaG> What I mean is, got there _before_ the lockup.
[02:35] <ASULutzy> derekS: A while ago? I thought alpha one just came out like, this week?
[02:36] <ASULutzy> derekS: You must have installed Intrepid realllllll early ;)
[02:36] <derekS> ASULutzy: i did
[02:36] <derekS> day 1
[02:36] <derekS> i have a stable and an ubuntu+1 machine
[02:36] <ASULutzy> So how do I mount a samba share? smbmount doesn't work?
[02:36] <derekS> but its updated frequently...
[02:36] <DanaG> I upgraded to it when I saw that it had a newer PulseAudio version.
[02:36] <derekS> ASULutzy: i don't use samba
[02:37] <derekS> DanaG: so any suggestions?
[02:37] <ASULutzy> derekS: Yea, I just got rid of OpenSuse 11 to play with Intrepid... Intrepid has about as much polish lol
[02:37] <ASULutzy> Oh, I need to install smbfs to get smbmount, duh
[02:41] <jbroome> :)
[02:42] <ASULutzy> I hope they stick with the dark Gnome theme, it's really clean looking, and easy on the eyes
[02:42] <ASULutzy> With a darker wallpaper this would look very slick
[02:43] <DanaG> My current theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[02:43] <ASULutzy> Stuck with Hardy's wallpaper though... I guess art isn't a high priority for alpha1
[02:44] <ASULutzy> I'll take a screen shot of how it looks now and drop it there, one sec
[02:44] <ASULutzy> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png
[02:44] <ASULutzy> http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_1.1214876665.png
[02:44] <bazhang> DanaG, nice :)
[02:45] <DanaG> I like that gtk engine.
[02:45] <DanaG> Fedora uses the same engine, but their gtkrc isn't as nice.
[03:34] <G_009> selecting pulseaudio outputs sound thru pcsp
[03:34] <hyperair> sudo rmmod snd_pcsp
[03:35] <hyperair> and blacklist it
[04:30] <ASULutzy> Why doesn't ssh work in Intrepid?
[04:38] <ASULutzy> Could someone please help? I'm completely unable to connect to my ssh server running hardy (I'm using Intrepid) I've copied over my key from the hardy install, and the configuration files are the same, but Intrepid refuses to connect. My desktop verifies that I have connected in /var/log/auth.log but I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt on the client side...
[04:38] <ASULutzy> This seems to be like a pretty big bug?
[04:38] <ASULutzy> Restarting the client and booting into Hardy and everything is fine
[04:46] <ASULutzy> This is weird, I can connect to my ssh server (it's running Hardy) while I'm running hardy with no problems, in Intrepid, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the Hardy install as well as made sure the config files (/etc/ssh/ssh_config) are the same in Hardy and Intrepid, but I'm able to connect in Hardy, and not in Intrepid. if I try ssh <IP_ADDRESS> in Intrepid it just hangs and I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt, but checking /va
[04:46] <RAOF> ETOOLONG
[04:50] <Hydrogen> thats what she said
[04:50] <ASULutzy> Nice
[04:50] <ASULutzy> I've added some output to a pastebin, if anyone wants to take a look at that
[04:50] <ASULutzy> This is weird, I can connect to my ssh server (it's running Hardy) while I'm running hardy with no problems, in Intrepid, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the Hardy install as well as made sure the config files (/etc/ssh/ssh_config) are the same in Hardy and Intrepid, but I'm able to connect in Hardy, and not in Intrepid. if I try ssh <IP_ADDRESS> in Intrepid it just hangs and I never get a $USER@host:-$ prompt, but checki
[04:51] <RAOF> ASULutzy: That text remains too long for IRC.
[04:51] <Hydrogen> no, you just remain absolutely useless
[04:51] <Hydrogen> oh
[04:51] <Hydrogen> I see
[04:51] <Hydrogen> yes
[04:51] <Hydrogen> EUSEMORENEWLINES
[04:52] <RAOF> ASULutzy: And to address your actual comment - this text is entered via ssh from an Intrepid box to a Hardy box.
[04:52] <ASULutzy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24127/ <it's b0rked. please help. works in hardy. dont work in intrepid. same key copied from hardy to intrepid, kthx
[04:53] <ASULutzy> RAOF: heh, well, I've copied over ~/.ssh/identity from the hardy boot to the intrepid boot, and the config files are exactly the same. It works in Hardy, doesn't work in Intrepid.
[04:53] <ASULutzy> RAOF: I can md5sum them to prove it? :P
[04:53] <RAOF> Hm.  That looks pretty working.
[04:53] <ASULutzy> RAOF: exactly
[04:53] <RAOF> At least; it's not failing pubkey auth.
[04:54] <ASULutzy> RAOF: And the server says it's successfully connected me (in /var/log/auth.log) the only problem is the terminal just sits there
[04:54] <ASULutzy> RAOF: I never get a prompt that says $USER@desktop:-$
[04:54] <RAOF> Yeah.  It might be worth trying a different terminal emulator?
[04:55] <ASULutzy> RAOF: Which are you feeling lucky with?
[04:55] <RAOF> xterm has a certain retro charm.
[04:56] <RAOF> There's always an actual terminal option, too.
[04:56] <ASULutzy> RAOF: I'll try both. xterm has (at a glance) the exact same output but still no ryan@desktop:-$
[04:56] <ASULutzy> I'll try tty1
[04:57] <ASULutzy> looks the same... the worst part is I can't ctrl+c to stop it or anything
[04:58] <ASULutzy> I'm totally clueless right now....
[04:58] <RAOF> Yeah.
[04:58] <ASULutzy> All the outputs say I've connected successfully
[04:58] <ASULutzy> on both sides
[04:58] <ASULutzy> netstat -t agrees
[04:58] <RAOF> I seem to recall this happening before, but I can't remember how it resolved.
[04:59] <ASULutzy> lol, netstat -t shows that I have 3 estanlished ssh connections with the desktop, but I can't actually send stuff in any of them...
[04:59] <ASULutzy> I'll read over ssh_config, although the md5sum of the one in the hardy install and the intrepid install are the same... So not sure how much that'll help
[05:01] <ASULutzy> eb59056334fffc55e9f308f0e2315c38  /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:01] <ASULutzy> eb59056334fffc55e9f308f0e2315c38  /media/hardy/etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:01] <ASULutzy> I call shenanigans.
[05:11] <DanaG> Hmm, could your login shell itself be screwed up?
[05:11] <DanaG> Try logging in with whatever it is that lets you not run your profile, and such.
[05:11] <DanaG> I don't remember the option, unfortunately.
[05:14] <ethana2> oh hey, I believe I heard that intrepid may ship with a theme from the dark family
[05:15] <ethana2> If this is so, I applaud the rest of you joining us and look forward to ubuntu looking, you know, /different/
[05:15] <ethana2> don't let the critics get you down, rock on, all that---  and goodnight, it's about my bedtime
[05:15] <ethana2> (still waiting for my new ubuntu dell to arrive...)
[05:16] <RAdams> I just installed the .26 kernel from packages.ubuntu.com (running hardy otherwise), and my sound is messed up: all staticky and what have you. running a latitude d800/pulse
[05:20] <RAdams> any recommendations for troubleshooting? it doesn't seem like it would be a permissions or file access issue; the sound works, it's just so "staticky" that it's barely intelligible. Should I update pulse to the current intrepid build, or is that asking for more trouble? I really only want the .26 kernel; I don't want to fully update to the intrepid alpha right now.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> RAdams: oh yeah, that's a known problem
[05:21] <Hobbsee> wgrant: do you still have instructions on how to fix that?
[05:21] <RAdams> oh... any fix for it? falling back to alsa, or something else?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> it appears lost in my history
[05:22] <Hobbsee> it's using the pcspkr instead of the actual decent sound.
[05:22] <RAdams> oh
[05:22] <RAdams> that makes sense
[05:22] <RAdams> why it sounds like crap
[05:22] <RAdams> i'll keep googling
[05:25] <RAdams> Hobbsee: is this it? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845
[05:26] <RAdams> but these seem to be fixes for those running alsa -- I'm using pulse
[05:26] <Hobbsee> RAdams: the way i fixed it was a heck of a lot easier
[05:26] <RAdams> :(
[05:26] <RAdams> I'll keep looking...
[05:28] <RAdams> "One possibility is add following options in your /etc/modprobe.conf. options snd-intel-hda index=0 model=3stack"
[05:28] <RAdams> does that look familiar, Hobbsee?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> no
[05:29]  * Hobbsee looks up the log dates
[05:29] <RAdams> Q_Q
[05:30] <RAdams> Hobbsee: are you using alsa or pulse?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> 26th of june.  #ubuntu-devel
[05:30] <Hobbsee> !logs
[05:30] <Hobbsee> pulse
[05:30] <RAdams> !logs
[05:31] <Hobbsee> humm
[05:31] <RAdams> i'll hit the logs site
[05:31] <RAdams> 26 june... ok
[05:32] <Hobbsee> RAdams: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/26/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[05:32] <DanaG> I'm lucky: my pc speaker doesn't function once snd-hda-intel loads.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> RAdams: search for hobbsee there, and keep reading down.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> from 5.11 is the important part.
[05:36] <RAdams> Hobbsee: I did it. It sounds much better now, but still staticky
[05:36] <RAdams> should i restart?
[05:37] <RAdams> DanaG: when I was googling, I actually saw that listed as a bug in a few bug trackers. haha
[05:37] <Hobbsee> you can try.
[05:37] <RAdams> brb
[05:37] <DanaG> And when in Windows, my pc speaker has only two volume settings: off, and way too loud.
[05:38] <DanaG> (or rather, not painfully, but merely very irritatingly, loud)
[05:42] <RAdams> Hobbsee: yeah, still getting staticky sound. How can I check to make sure it's not using pcspkr?
[05:42] <RAOF> Oh, I probably didn't notice this because I pipe everything off to an external server!
[05:42] <RAOF> That's why.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> RAOF: modprobe -r it?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> it's called something else now, though
[05:43] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No, I pull up the pulseaudio volume control quite often, because I generally pipe music to a separate box.
[05:44] <RAOF> And the setting's persistant, so something probably hit pcspk once, I moved it from there, and forgot about it.
[05:44] <RAdams> how do i check if it's using pcspk?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> sorry, that was to RAdams
[05:44] <RAdams> oh
[05:45] <RAOF> I'd install the padevchooser package, which will pull in the pulseaudio volume control, with which you can send streams to whatever device you choose.
[05:47] <RAdams> raof: i installed it an am running it, but I don't see where I select what sound device it should play on
[05:48] <RAOF> You right-click on a playback stream (such as Banshee, or rhythmbox, or whatever), and it brings up the device the stream is playing on.
[05:49] <RAOF> Alternatively, go to the Output Devices page, right click on something that isn't pcspk, and set as defalut.
[05:51] <RAdams> oh! it's working
[05:51]  * RAdams tinkers more
[05:52]  * RAdams slaps his 82891DB-ICH4 around a bit with a large trout
[06:25] <Ziroday> Does alpha 1 not like virtualbox?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> probably not
[06:25] <Ziroday> would it like vmware better?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i doubt it
[06:31] <Hobbsee> try real HW?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> actually, it should like it a bit - a lot of the testing was done that way
[06:32] <Ziroday> alrighty
[06:53] <RAOF> Wow, that's new.  A spam with a link in it saying "report this spam".
[06:54] <hyperair> where did you get that from?
[06:54] <RAOF> I don't know.  It's gone already.
[06:55] <hyperair> lol
[06:55] <hyperair> did you report it spam? =p
[06:55] <RAOF> :P
[06:56] <hyperair> don't tell me you really did O_O
[06:56] <RAOF> No, of course not.
[06:56] <RAOF> But it's an as-yet unfamiliar way of getting people to root their boxes.
[06:57] <hyperair> root their boxes? what dyou mean
[06:57] <RAOF> Download and run a trojan.
[06:57] <hyperair> swt
[12:08] <Bodsda> Hi, is the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel used in Intrepid Alpha 1 the same as the one in Hardy?
[12:08] <Bodsda> hey bazhang
[12:12] <Bodsda> ok, is pulseaudio likely to be in Intrepid?
[12:13] <Bodsda> if so will it be configured correctly this time?
[12:19] <Bodsda> anyone in here alive and got info on Intrepid??
[12:22] <Bodsda> test
[12:22] <Pici> failed
[12:22] <Bodsda> damn
[12:22] <Pici> What kind of info are you looking for?
[12:22] <Bodsda> hey Pici, do you happen to know -- is the 2.6.24-16-generic kernel used in Intrepid Alpha 1 the same as the one in Hardy?
[12:23] <Pici> Bodsda: I dont know, but the launchpad page for the package should tell you
[12:23] <Bodsda> Pici, it appears OOTB wifi support (at least for my device) has been removed
[12:24] <Pici> Bodsda: I remember someone saying something about l-r-m not being available, but I might be mistaken about that.
[12:24] <Bodsda> il check LP cheers, also Pici, is pulseaudio likely to be in intrepid?
[12:24] <Bodsda> l-r-m?
[12:24] <Pici> linux-restricted-modules
[12:25] <Bodsda> ah, that could be my problem
[12:25] <Bodsda> could i download the deb on my hardy then trnasfer to my intrepid, build and it work?
[12:27]  * Pici shrugs
[12:28] <Bodsda> sounds like fun, cheers Pici
[12:29] <bazhang> Bodsda, what chipset
[12:29] <Bodsda> rt73
[12:29] <bazhang> ouch
[12:30] <Bodsda> yeah huh
[12:30] <bazhang> I had a rt61
[12:30] <Bodsda> its buggy on Hardy and i thought maybe intrpeid fixed it, guess not (or not yet)
[12:30] <Bodsda> bazhang, wow, thats going back a bit
[12:31] <bazhang> Bodsda, it caused me no end of grief
[12:32] <Bodsda> bazhang, well this one works out of the box, but buggy, i filed an LP bug but no reply in over a month, no joy on UF or #ubuntu im totally stumped by it, and so's everyone i talk to about it
[12:33] <bazhang> they are  a nice company (ralink) for OSS, but the cards could be better Bodsda
[12:33] <Bodsda> me = teenager; which inturn = unemployed; which in-turn = skint
[12:34] <bazhang> I hear that Bodsda :)
[12:35] <Bodsda> I'd love to walk my ass down to pcworld (after checking the ubuntu supported wifi devices) and go il have that one! but i can only do that with a 'oh damn, old bill RUN!!!'
[12:35] <bazhang> hehe
[12:38] <Bodsda> bazhang, anyidea what the latest available kernel is?
[12:39] <bazhang> Bodsda, not sure; will check though
[12:39] <Bodsda> bazhang, cheers! (check how?)
[12:40] <bazhang> 2.6.26 Bodsda
[12:41] <bazhang> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intrepid+ibex+kernel+version&btnG=Google+Search
[12:41] <Bodsda> -1* ?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> -2
[12:41] <Hobbsee> iirc
[12:41] <Bodsda> 2.6.26-12?
[12:41] <Bodsda> or
[12:41] <Bodsda> 2.6.26-2
[12:41] <Pici> !info linux intrepid
[12:42] <Bodsda> .2.2
[12:42] <Bodsda> cheers Pici Hobbsee bazhang and the bot
[12:44] <Bodsda> hhmm -- http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ only has 2.6.25
[13:11] <JGJones> Greetings
[13:11] <hyperair> greetings
[13:11] <JGJones> Is anyone running Ibex in VMware?
[13:11] <JGJones> And if so, what do you do to make it work? No success here (freeze up after login)
[13:12] <hyperair> not here
[13:13] <hyperair> it's installed but not running on my machine because they've conveniently broken nvidia
[13:13] <hyperair> so i either use the crappy nv driver and go compizless or stare at a black screen with a blinking cursor
[13:13] <hyperair> how very annoying
[13:15] <JGJones> well it's alpha after all. Anyhow I'm looking for vmware installations not "on machine" installations :)
[13:16] <hyperair> why vmware and not virtualbox?
[13:17] <JGJones> Good question. VMware does networking etc better as well as I can actually have a working USB within virtual machines.
[13:17] <hyperair> um virtualbox's gone a long way
[13:17] <hyperair> i'd say vmware and virtualbox are on par in terms of networking
[13:17] <hyperair> and usb
[13:17] <hyperair> now at least
[13:18] <JGJones> VirtualBox - I just can't get USB to work despite all the guides I've followed. And I can't get bridged network to work on vbox either.
[13:19] <hyperair> ah
[13:19] <hyperair> oh well
[13:20] <hyperair> virtualbox's always given me better support than vmware
[13:20] <JGJones> however I should point out that after I changed to vmware (it's also a company-bought product anyway) I stupidly found out that I shouldn't be getting bridged network on a wireless card so that bit is my fault not vbox.
[13:20] <JGJones> it's not supported.
[13:20] <hyperair> eh?
[13:20] <hyperair> actually... bridged network on a wireless card is possible
[13:20] <hyperair> i've done it before
[13:20] <hyperair> it's just a lil weird
[13:20] <hyperair> you just gotta whack out networkmanager and gang  so they don't interfere
[13:21] <JGJones> It's possible...but not supported and I'll rather take the easy way out instead of hacking around :)
[13:22] <hyperair> heh
[13:22] <hyperair> the easy way _is_ hacking around ;)
[13:23] <JGJones> hmm...anyhow I do plan to switch to KVM sometime though.
[13:23] <hyperair> eh?!
[13:23] <hyperair> well
[13:23] <hyperair> to put it bluntly, you're not going to be able to get bridged nteworking and stuff working on kvm if you can't even handle virtualbox
[13:24] <hyperair> last i heard, kvm's using qemu or something of that sort
[13:24] <hyperair> some sort of modified qemu
[13:24] <hyperair> and so is virtualbox, but virtualbox has a gui, and kvm doesn't
[13:25] <hyperair> also virtualbox has all the features which is all the rage in kvm,
[13:25] <hyperair> including the whole cpu extensions thing
[13:26] <JGJones> I have nothing against vbox :) the killer thing for me is USB which I haven't gotten to work and I haven't got the time to fix it when vmware does it just fine.
[13:26] <JGJones> and the KVM is for me to learn and play.
[13:27] <hyperair> ah
[13:27] <hyperair> well.
[13:27] <hyperair> didn't you follow the guides closely?
[13:28] <JGJones> Very closely. I'm not sure why it does not work for me and I don't really have the time. If it was my own project I would look into it more closely.
[13:28] <JGJones> (the USB is for Windows XP virtual btw)
[13:33] <hyperair> yeah it works for me
[13:33] <hyperair> =\
[13:33] <hyperair> one line in the fstab
[13:33] <hyperair> restart
[13:33] <hyperair> and that's it
[13:34] <molgrum> hi i need help with installing nvidia drivers on 8.10
[13:34] <hyperair> none					  /proc/bus/usb	  usbfs	  devgid=1001,devmode=664
[13:34] <hyperair> 8.10 has no nvidia drivers!
[13:34] <hyperair> that's right! they left it out!
[13:34] <hyperair> >=(
[13:34] <molgrum> darnit :(
[13:34] <hyperair> T_T
[13:34] <hyperair> yes
[13:34] <hyperair> cry with me
[13:34] <hyperair> fellow nvidia user
[13:34] <molgrum> :~~~~~~(
[13:34] <hyperair> oh fsck. this channel is logged isn't it
[13:35] <hyperair> lol
[13:36] <ASULutzy> Got a really weird ssh problem in Intrepid, can be found here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 I filed a bug report, but I want to be sure it's not just stupidity on my part
[13:36] <molgrum> so there is no way to install nvidia drivers on 8.10 atm?
[13:36] <tomd123> so 8.10 alpha 1 is pretty stable for me, only thing that broke was the sound when i logged in :)
[13:36] <molgrum> this 60Hz is killing my eyes
[13:37] <tomd123> molgrum: you have a crt?
[13:37] <molgrum> yeah
[13:37] <ASULutzy> sound was a bit messed up for me, but I fixed it, and open ssh seems borkin. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 problem here
[13:37] <molgrum> it can handle 1280x1024@85Hz
[13:37] <tomd123> molgrum: oh, 60hz on lcd is stan :)
[13:37] <JGJones> hyperair - I did that for vbox and still no joy. Anyway another reason for KVM - I have a server with no GUI. Can vbox work in commandline only?
[13:38] <molgrum> but now without nvidia drivers it's 800x600@60Hz
[13:38] <tomd123> molgrum: ouch
[13:38] <hyperair> JGJones: yes.
[13:38] <hyperair> molgrum: are you saying you actually got nvidia drivers running?
[13:38] <tomd123> yeah, i heard nvidia drivers didn't work, sad
[13:38] <hyperair> or is that vesa
[13:38] <hyperair> like.. rescue mode and stuff
[13:38] <molgrum> hyperair: it's vesa now
[13:38] <hyperair> yeah
[13:38] <hyperair> ah
[13:38] <molgrum> since 8.10 doesn't have any nvidia drivers
[13:39] <hyperair> you can always use nv
[13:39] <hyperair> it's for nvidia
[13:39] <hyperair> supports high res and high refresh rates
[13:39] <hyperair> but!
[13:39] <molgrum> does it work for 8800gts?
[13:39] <hyperair> no compiz for you
[13:39] <hyperair> um i'm not sure about that card
[13:39] <molgrum> i don't care about compiz :)
[13:39] <hyperair> it's worth a try
[13:40] <molgrum> alright, how do i get those drivers?
[13:40] <tomd123> i hate compiz on by default, it wastes so much processor
[13:42] <hyperair> nv is installed by default
[13:42] <molgrum> hmm
[13:42] <molgrum> audacious crashes on startup now :(
[13:42] <hyperair> lol
[13:43] <hyperair> that's alpha software for yo
[13:43] <hyperair> u
[13:44] <molgrum> at least amarok works
[13:45] <molgrum> hyperair: so i just change the "Driver nvidia" to "Driver nv"?
[13:46] <ASULutzy> ssh problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845825 any ideas?
[13:47] <molgrum> gonna try this now
[13:49] <tomd123> so I have an ipod nano (3rd gen) and when I restart my laptop with it plugged in, it doesn't get past the vendor logo (vaio), do you think it's a bug?
[13:50] <greenpen> Anyone else getting this error when mounting a windows share "DBus error, Mountpoint Already registered". Trying to work out if its a bug or my Samba settings.
[13:50] <tomd123> or could it be finding an boot record on the ipod since it's usb and my laptop is usb enabled, and it's trying to boot to the apple firmware?!?!
[13:51] <molgrum> alright nice
[13:52] <molgrum> except for a black flicker occuring sometimes when it's just set a new resolution
[13:52] <ASULutzy> greenpen: I've neen able to mount a drive with smbmount
[13:52] <ASULutzy> been*
[13:53] <greenpen> Asulutzy: Thanks, not tried doing it via the console, will try it.
[13:55] <ASULutzy> greenpen: Yep, I used sudo smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/theshare /media/share -o username=$USER
[13:55] <ASULutzy> greenpen: and it worked
[13:56] <hyperair> i don't think you need smbmount
[13:56] <hyperair> unless you're not in the fuse group
[13:56] <hyperair> i mean
[13:56] <hyperair> sudo
[13:59] <ASULutzy> Solve my ssh problem, get a cookie: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846096
[14:00] <hyperair> do cookies come through paypal?
[14:00] <molgrum> lol, my pc speaker is beeping when X starts
[14:01] <hyperair> ASULutzy: is your /dev/pts mounted?
[14:04] <ASULutzy> hmm
[14:04] <hyperair> mount | grep devpts
[14:05] <ASULutzy> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[14:06] <hyperair> oookaay
[14:06] <hyperair> then it's not a devpts problem after all
[14:06] <hyperair> so weird
[14:06] <hyperair> wait a sec. why does your devpts have such a long line of mount arguments
[14:07] <hyperair> try unmounting devpts
[14:07] <hyperair> sudo umount /dev/pts
[14:07] <hyperair> and remounting it with "sudo mount none /dev/pts -t devpts"
[14:07] <hyperair> sorry
[14:07] <hyperair> sudo mount -t devpts -o rw none /dev/pts
[14:07] <ASULutzy> k will try that now
[14:08] <ASULutzy> ryan@ubuntu:~$ sudo umount /dev/pts
[14:08] <ASULutzy> [sudo] password for ryan:
[14:08] <ASULutzy> umount: /dev/pts: device is busy.
[14:08] <ASULutzy>         (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[14:08] <ASULutzy>          the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[14:08] <hyperair> meh
[14:09] <hyperair> lsof /dev/pts
[14:09] <hyperair> um
[14:09] <hyperair> nevermind
[14:09] <hyperair> looks like you cant umount it easily
[14:09] <hyperair> what's with gid=5 anyway
[14:09] <ASULutzy> ;)
[14:09] <hyperair> dyou have any entry regarding /dev/pts in your /etc/fstab?
[14:10] <ASULutzy> ryan@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab
[14:10] <ASULutzy> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[14:10] <ASULutzy> #
[14:10] <ASULutzy> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[14:10] <ASULutzy> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[14:10] <ASULutzy> # /dev/sda7
[14:10] <ASULutzy> UUID=0b48aa2c-6209-49d8-8ca8-fa8a05c558cf /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[14:10] <ASULutzy> # /dev/sda6
[14:10] <ASULutzy> UUID=9e8cb33b-fa34-429a-a6d7-38fa5ace081f none            swap    sw              0       0
[14:10] <ASULutzy> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[14:11] <hyperair> that's all?
[14:11] <hyperair> oh well
[14:11] <hyperair> i have no idea then
[14:11] <hyperair> what's group id 5?
[14:11] <ASULutzy> How would I check?
[14:11] <hyperair> nevermind
[14:11] <hyperair> it's "tty" i think
[14:11] <hyperair> are you in group tty?
[14:12] <hyperair> groups | grep tty
[14:12] <ASULutzy> ryan@ubuntu:~$ groups
[14:12] <ASULutzy> ryan adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin admin
[14:12] <ASULutzy> nope
[14:14] <hyperair> well it's definitely a problem with your devpts
[14:14] <hyperair> i don't know how you got it messed up like that
[14:14] <ASULutzy> hmmm ok, I'll update the thread accordingly, any intuition on how to fix it?
[14:14] <hyperair> it's because of gid=5,mode=620
[14:14] <ASULutzy> This is a fresh alpha 1 install
[14:14] <hyperair> fresh you say?
[14:15] <hyperair> um
[14:15] <ASULutzy> All I did was install it, and that's it
[14:15] <hyperair> hmm
[14:15] <hyperair> when and where does devpts get mounted anyway
[14:15] <hyperair> gimme some time to search up stuff
[14:15] <hyperair> update the bug report accordingly
[14:15] <hyperair> just show your devpts mount line
[14:15] <ASULutzy> Will do
[14:15] <hyperair> someone with authority will come along and help you out i think
[14:17] <hyperair> ASULutzy: try putting this line in your /etc/fstab and see if a reboot helps
[14:18] <hyperair> none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0
[14:18] <ASULutzy> Ok, rebooting now?
[14:23] <ASULutzy> Hmmm, didn't work
[14:24] <ASULutzy> ryan@ubuntu:~$ mount | grep pts
[14:24] <ASULutzy> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
[14:24] <ASULutzy> ryan@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/fstab
[14:24] <ASULutzy> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[14:24] <ASULutzy> #
[14:24] <ASULutzy> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[14:24] <ASULutzy> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[14:24] <ASULutzy> # /dev/sda7
[14:24] <ASULutzy> UUID=0b48aa2c-6209-49d8-8ca8-fa8a05c558cf /               ext3    relatime,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[14:24] <ASULutzy> # /dev/sda6
[14:24] <ASULutzy> UUID=9e8cb33b-fa34-429a-a6d7-38fa5ace081f none            swap    sw              0       0
[14:24] <Pici> ...
[14:24] <ASULutzy> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[14:24] <ASULutzy> none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0
[14:25] <Hobbsee> !paste
[14:25] <Pici> ASULutzy: Please use a pastebin
[14:25] <ASULutzy> Yea my bad, I join #ubuntu+1 and I throw all the rules out the window ;)
[14:26] <ASULutzy> Anyway, was in reference to this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5297734
[14:26] <ASULutzy> ssh seems broken for me, know idea why
[15:09] <jonpackard> Hi. Anybody here running Intrepid in a Virtualbox VM?
[15:10] <jonpackard> I'm wondering if anybody has figured out how to get the virtualbox guest kernel modules working. I haven't had any luck and couldn't find anything about it.
[15:20] <molgrum> in "software sources", the checkbox for important security updates doesn't display if it's checked or not
[15:30] <MaximLevitsky> Will kde3 be aviable in interpid?
[15:30] <MaximLevitsky> I see that 'kate' has only kde4 version
[15:31] <hyperair> i don't think so
[15:31] <hyperair> a lot of stuff got the -kde4 suffix removed
[15:32] <MaximLevitsky> I am fine with that, but what about kde3 applications
[15:32] <JGJones> jonpackard - I'm having no luck running Intrepid in VMware myself - you have the same in VirtualBox?
[15:32] <MaximLevitsky> I need kscope, but it is kde3 only
[15:32] <MaximLevitsky> ans this needs kate3
[15:33] <MaximLevitsky> I am not aware of any gtk cscope frontends
[15:33] <MaximLevitsky> I would be glad to use any
[15:47] <jonpackard> JGJones - Are you getting kernel panics right after the grub messages?
[15:48] <pheeror> JGJones: can you be more specific please?
[15:48] <pheeror> what errors do you get?
[15:48] <JGJones> Sure...
[15:48] <JGJones> Install just fine.
[15:48] <JGJones> recovery mode just fine.
[15:48] <JGJones> It's the login - enter username and password - press enter.
[15:48] <JGJones> I'm then facing a nice brown blank screen.
[15:48] <JGJones> and nothing
[15:49] <pheeror> so no kernel panic?
[15:49] <JGJones> Have tried to drop it to command (Ctrl-alt-F1 (using spacebar) etc but nothing
[15:49] <JGJones> not even ctrl-alt-backspace works.
[15:49] <JGJones> CPU etc drops to 0% on it.
[15:51] <JGJones> I can't say if it's a kernel panic if I just get a blank brown screen after login, but since it respond to nothing else...
[15:51] <pheeror> hm i asked because i'm getting a boot time kernel panic
[15:52] <hyperair> you can't exactly see the keyboard leds blinking either since it's in a vm
[15:52] <JGJones> Indeed - I'm downloading virtualbox 1.62 atm and will try with that
[15:52] <EagleScreen> will kubuntu 8.10 use compiz effects, i have seen the utiluty for enable it installed on Intrepid Alpha 1, i think it should be replaced by native KDE4 desktop effects
[15:52] <DanaG> hyperair: you could try giving the VM a USB keyboard.
[15:54] <JGJones> pheeror - I don't get that - it install successfully in VMware. If I drop to recovery mode, I can then start up HAL, DBus, network manager etc and do an apt-get update etc
[15:54] <hyperair> i don't have a usb keyboard
[15:54] <ASULutzy> Just going to drop this off here in case anyone else wants to look, weird ssh problem in Intrepid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846096
[15:55] <hyperair> ASULutzy: try adding yourself to the tty group
[15:56] <ASULutzy> Ok, thanks hyperair, I'm at work right now, maybe at lunch I can sneak a reboot in (I use Hardy at work... Don't really feel 100% safe using Intrepid yet ;))
[15:56] <hyperair> um don't
[15:56] <hyperair> intrepid's unstable as hell
[15:57] <Hobbsee> ...and you expected what?
[15:57] <hyperair> lol
[15:57] <ASULutzy> hyperair: Right I know, I have it on its own partition, it's not messing around with my Hardy install :)
[15:57] <hyperair> i'm lucky i have my archlinux root here, or i'd just go compizless until they get nvidia fixed
[15:57] <hyperair> T_T
[15:58] <DanaG> Oh yeah...
[15:58] <DanaG> you can emulate a serial port in the VM.
[15:59] <DanaG> And then you can get a console on it.
[15:59] <DanaG> I don't remember how to do that, though.
[15:59] <DanaG> But essentially, you'd be using a serial console on the virtual machine, from the host.
[15:59] <hyperair> interesting
[15:59] <hyperair> well it depends on which vm you're using
[15:59] <hyperair> not that i know how with any of them
[15:59] <hyperair> i think qemu has an option somewhere
[16:01] <JGJones> VMware - attach serial port to 3 options - phyiscal port, to a file or to a named pipe
[16:01] <JGJones> virtualbox - dunno...it's installing :)
[16:01] <hyperair> named pipe?
[16:01] <jonpackard> Pheeror - I'm using virtualbox and I get frequent kernel panics immediately after grub.. I reboot once or twice and it boots fine
[16:02] <hyperair> in virtualbox you can create a host pipe
[16:03] <hyperair> i think named pipe means you provide the path
[16:03] <hyperair> then it creates a pipe similra to mkfifo
[16:03] <hyperair> but how dyou communicate with a pipe anyway
[16:04] <bazhang> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[16:04] <pheeror> the problem i've got is ~"attempt to acces beyond the device" and consequently the init can't be found - it don't suspect filesystem or hardware failure because it runs fine with .24 and i had done fsck -f .I have it installed natively nativel on thinkad t40 btw
[16:05] <hyperair> well it obviously isn't a one way pipe
[16:05] <hyperair> it's a rw pipe
[16:05] <hyperair> if you're to get a shell i mean
[16:06] <bazhang> rw pipe? how does one do that
[16:06] <JGJones> hyperair...I've not idea how to connect to a pipe either
[16:06] <hyperair> meh
[16:06] <hyperair> no idea
[16:06] <hyperair> you could just try to cat it i guess
[16:06] <hyperair> then you get a one way pipe
[16:07] <JGJones> anyway virtualbox is installed and ready, so gonna install intrepid onto that now.
[16:08] <hyperair> good luck
[16:08] <hyperair> i don't even have the iso
[16:09] <bazhang> http://bashcurescancer.com/man/cmd/mkfifo
[16:09] <jonpackard> JGJones - if you figure out how to get the guest utilities working (mouse and video integration), please let me know.. I'm searching all over for it but haven't found jack =)
[16:09] <JGJones> OK, however I wouldn't expect it to work perfectly on Intrepid - it is in alpha after all.
[16:10] <hyperair> doesn't just running their installer work?
[16:12] <jonpackard> the pre-compiled sources aren't available in the repo yet and the install script from Virtualbox fails with compile errors
[16:12] <jonpackard> thanks very much JGJ =)
[16:13] <hyperair> oh lol
[16:13] <hyperair> kernel errors eh
[16:13] <hyperair> wait a sec
[16:13] <hyperair> do you have the kernel headers installed?
[16:14] <jonpackard> yep.. installed build-essential, kernel headers and even kernel source just for good measure =)
[16:14] <jonpackard> let me grab that error...
[16:14] <hyperair> pastebinit
[16:20] <jonpackard> here's the kernel panic I get frequently at boot w/ virtualbox...
[16:20] <jonpackard> 1.120031 Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
[16:20] <jonpackard> luckily it only happens 2/3 boots and it happens very fast :D
[16:25] <molgrum> how do i find out what software sources i have checked, textbased? since the GUI is buggy i can't see if i checked security updates or not
[16:26] <pheeror> /etc/apt or just run aptitude update and check the output
[16:28] <molgrum> thanks man :)
[16:31] <pheeror> d'rien mon amie
[16:36] <mvo_> molgrum: hm, the gui is buggy in what way? is there a bugnumber about this? or do you use powerpc :) ?
[16:37] <jonpackard> hyperair - here's the error installing guest tools in intrepid: http://pastebin.com/f61d446a5
[16:37] <molgrum> mvo_: hehe no idea, the bug for me is that i can't see if the "security updates" checkbox is checked, it's _always_ blank
[16:37] <mvo_> molgrum: hm, not good. this is hardy or intrepid? what architecture?
[16:38] <molgrum> 8.10
[16:38] <molgrum> i just updated from hardy
[16:38] <molgrum> amd64
[16:38] <mvo_> molgrum: thanks!
[16:38] <molgrum> np :)
[16:40] <molgrum> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/244093 same checkbox problem :P
[16:49] <JGJones> well I guess it's a bug with vmware - it's loaded successfully in virtualbox
[16:50] <hyperair> ha
[16:50] <hyperair> virtualbox > vmware
[16:50] <hyperair> =D
[16:51] <JGJones> aye - although virtualbox could do with a better way of accessing ISO files - I don't need to register them all :)
[16:52] <JGJones> anyway onto trying vbox's addons.
[16:52] <hyperair> lol yes i agree
[16:52] <JGJones> and first time look at the...err...dark theme....
[16:52] <hyperair> lol
[16:52] <hyperair> i've seen a screenshot of it
[16:53] <hyperair> they should pick a glossier dark theme if they really MUST have a dark theme
[16:53] <hyperair> something so bland
[16:53] <hyperair> [ugh
[16:53] <JGJones> I really don't like coffee...and this is too much like coffee
[16:54] <hyperair> i like coffee
[16:54] <hyperair> but i hate the theme
[16:54] <hyperair> leave coffee out of this!
[16:54] <pheeror> the theme is just extraordinary
[16:54] <hyperair> extraordinarily bad
[16:54] <Pici> I like chocolate.
[16:54] <ethana2> chocolate is amazing!
[16:55] <ethana2> ohhhh, this is about the dark themes
[16:55] <ethana2> I use a dark theme
[16:55] <hyperair> so do i
[16:55] <ethana2> it's amazing too, but web pages are poorly coded
[16:55] <hyperair> but it looks infinitely better than that
[16:55] <pheeror> i like how the orange and green looks on the grey background
[16:55] <ethana2> well of course it would
[16:55] <pheeror> hyperair: do you have a link (to a screenshot at least) ?
[16:55] <JGJones> I'm not a fan of dark themes myself even though I tend to use a black wallpaper :)
[16:56] <ethana2> Mine is just glossy with colors swapped out-- it's all black, dark gredy, and deep blue
[16:56] <ethana2> heh, I don't use a wallpaper, I just have it blank-- nautilus turned off and everything
[16:56] <ethana2> sometimes I use screensavers
[16:56] <JGJones> jonpackard - just ran the VBoxLinuxAdditions.run - and it now state Successfully installed the vbox guest additions.
[16:56] <JGJones> just need to reboot...
[16:56] <ethana2> but then I have problems with them and the xscreensaver folks act like I'm doing something unnatural with their code
[16:57] <hyperair> pheeror: lost it
[16:57] <pheeror> what about the default fedora theme?
[16:57] <pheeror> anybody like(s?) it here?
[16:58] <ethana2> nodoka?  nice but white based
[16:58] <hyperair> never seen it
[16:58] <ethana2> I must have my darkness
[16:58] <ethana2> at least I think that's the one we're talking about
[16:58] <JGJones> jonpackard - looking at your pastebin, look like you're using vbox 1.5.6 - I'm using the latest - 1.6.2
[17:00] <JGJones> um...avoid installing 1.6.2 vbox additions then...
[17:00] <molgrum> when is nvidia drivers due for intrepid?
[17:00] <hyperair> i have no idea
[17:00] <hyperair> but i can't use intrepid until then
[17:00] <hyperair> T_T
[17:01] <molgrum> i think they are already in, but marked as unstable
[17:01] <molgrum> http://packages.ubuntu.com/sv/intrepid/nvidia-glx-new
[17:02] <DanaG> Here's my theme:
[17:02] <DanaG> http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[17:03] <DanaG> hyperair: there's a thread on the forums about how to use nvidia.
[17:03] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833633&page=3
[17:03] <hyperair> link please? =D
[17:04]  * DanaG hopes that was just a timing issue on that reply.  =þ
[17:05] <hyperair> DanaG: um nice artifacts
[17:05] <hyperair> in the screenshot i mean
[17:05]  * hyperair hates his latency
[17:05] <hyperair> i need 96.43.05
[17:05] <DanaG> Aah.
[17:06] <DanaG> Dang.
[17:06] <DanaG> Those artifacts are gnome-screenshot, by the way.
[17:06] <DanaG> I mean, the screenshot thingy makes the artifacts.
[17:06] <DanaG> I love having fish in the sky... it's amusing.
[17:07] <DanaG> That theme is a nice non-glossy.
[17:08] <ethana2> I filed an enhancement on gnome, about desktop backgrounds
[17:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I wish it'd support argb.
[17:08] <ethana2> saying you should be able to select videos, screensavers, mirror(via cheese), and stuff
[17:08] <DanaG> For things like transparent png images.
[17:08] <ethana2> they said I was looking for KDE
[17:08] <hyperair> how nice
[17:08] <ethana2> ooh, DanaG: yes. very yes.
[17:08] <ethana2> b/w .svg's with my own background color?  oh yeah
[17:08] <DanaG> ARGB support also isn't frivolous.
[17:09] <ethana2> frivolous?
[17:09] <DanaG> It'd let you make the desktop window semitransparent, so other things can show through from underneath.
[17:09] <DanaG> I'm thinking they might be calling videos "frivolous"
[17:09] <ethana2> ..like your background color
[17:09] <ethana2> so Vista will have it while we don't...
[17:09] <ethana2> because it's over the top..
[17:09] <ethana2> They'll come around once everyone gets used to the feature
[17:10] <DanaG> I like videos as wallpaper when in Vista..... it's just a bummer that WMV (as most I find are) is cpu-rapeagey.
[17:10] <ethana2> you know we can do better than that
[17:10] <lamalex> videos as wall paper?
[17:10] <ethana2> lamalex: yes of course
[17:10] <lamalex> that sounds distracting as hell
[17:10] <ethana2> I even took a lot driving through canada
[17:10] <DanaG> Not always.
[17:10] <DanaG> Look a dream.wincustomize.com
[17:10] <ethana2> so that when they finally do it, I'm ready with my own
[17:10] <DanaG> There are some really good ones.
[17:10] <ethana2> and they're nice, peaceful things
[17:11] <ethana2> I got a lot of water stuff, grass blowing in the wind
[17:11] <lamalex> interesting
[17:11] <ethana2> so I've spent like a half hour of my life in anticipation of this feature
[17:11] <lamalex> actually that's pretty cool
[17:11] <DanaG> ARGB desktop background support would fix multiple things with just a single changeset.
[17:11] <ethana2> and the first DE that gives it to me gets another user/bug finder/evangelist
[17:12] <DanaG> Different wallpapers per workspace (set 100% transparent in Gnome, and use Compiz).
[17:12] <lamalex> My first thought was like skate videos as my desktop
[17:12] <ethana2> lamalex: no, that's a bit spax
[17:12] <ethana2> spaz**  of course, you /could/...
[17:12] <ethana2> distros should ship a few good ones
[17:12] <DanaG> Desktop with a "window" to inside the cube -- just use transparent png.
[17:13] <DanaG> Desktop with a video: fine, set 100% transparent, and use xwinwrap to background the video.
[17:13] <ethana2> DanaG: what I was thinking was masking .svgs
[17:13] <ethana2> more elegant than that-- like there's always an awesome background
[17:13] <DanaG> And it can't be all that hard to implement argb support, can it?
[17:13] <ethana2> but the wrong color
[17:13] <ethana2> so if they were all just b/w with alpha, I could set my own color nice and simple
[17:14] <lamalex> is different wall paper per desktop planned? It was always my understanding that that was harder than it sounded and meant rethinking workspaces in GNOME
[17:14] <DanaG> ARGB support would fix THAT too, though only under compiz.
[17:15] <lamalex> which isn't a bad thing, it just sounded like no one in GNOME wanted to do it
[17:15] <hyperair> lamalex: i thought the wallpaper plugin in compiz fusion could do that
[17:15] <DanaG> You could just set the Gnome wallpaper to 100% transparent, and delegate the real wallpaper to something else.
[17:15] <lamalex> real wall paper?
[17:15] <lamalex> que?
[17:16] <DanaG> Like the Wallpaper plugin in compiz-fusion.
[17:16] <DanaG> As it is right now, you can't use that plugin with Nautilus.
[17:16] <DanaG> Nautilus gives you no way to say "don't draw the wallpaper!"
[17:16] <hyperair> oh
[17:16] <DanaG> So... Nautilus just draws its own, and completely blocks the other one.
[17:16] <pheeror> like there weren't waaaaaaay bigger problems
[17:16] <lamalex> ahh, I dont use compiz
[17:16] <pheeror> drag and drop and text copying (!!!) among others
[17:17] <DanaG> I wish I knew gtk2 coding... then I could add the argb support myself!
[17:17] <lamalex> time to learn :)
[17:17] <ethana2> DanaG: that's why I turn nautilus off
[17:17] <ethana2> completely
[17:17] <pheeror> you select text, close application and then can  push the spirit out of your mouse's middle button but it just won't paste
[17:17] <ethana2> if I want to see my /home, I'll open it from Places
[17:17] <pheeror> but fuck it,let's implement wmv backgrounds ....
[17:18] <hyperair> why wmv?
[17:18] <hyperair> why not avi or some other more common format?
[17:18] <DanaG> I don't ask for that... I ask for ARGB support.
[17:18] <lamalex> wmv? or something free
[17:18] <DanaG> Then have something else draw stuff.
[17:18] <pheeror> maybe .... i wasn't serious? ;-)
[17:18] <lamalex> ha oh
[17:19] <hyperair> swt
[17:19] <DanaG> swt?
[17:19] <DanaG> java?
[17:19] <pheeror> and that drag'n'drop thingie, you select an object and then can't change a workspace with keyboards shorcut - also a cool feature
[17:19] <JGJones> hyperair - seem virtualbox now suffer from same issue I get in vmware - login to a lovely blank brown screen and no further.
[17:20] <hyperair> lol
[17:20] <hyperair> how nice
[17:20] <ethana2> if background videos come to file type support, we should stick to theora/dirac
[17:20] <hyperair> i heard from someone that there's a probability of 2/3 of it not managing to log in
[17:20] <hyperair> =p
[17:20] <hyperair> the other 1/3 of the time it'll log in
[17:20]  * DanaG hollers: I WANT ARGB!
[17:21] <JGJones> yup although this happened after I had installed the virtualbox additions (I've got that same kernal panic error too on top)
[17:21] <hyperair> DanaG: wrong place to holler
[17:22] <ethana2> we so need a solid bounty system
[17:22] <DanaG> Then I could use this svg image and have the transparent areas be truly transparent!
[17:22] <DanaG> (warning: big cpu-rapeagey svg) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Fela_Kuti?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color-grey-translucent.svg
[17:22] <jonpackard> thanks for the info JGJ.. I'll try it with a different version of virtualbox and see what happens.. maybe I can help figure out the bug you're getting =)
[17:23] <JGJones> oh well gotta love snapshots...back to normal, minus the virtualbox guest additions - jonpackard - first time I installed it, I was getting grey blocks everywhere and ended up on a grey screen, dropping into recovery fixed it...nothing is replicated though so YMMV
[17:24] <jonpackard> heh much love for snapshots in virtualbox here too.. seems much better implemented than snapshots in vmware.. last time I used it anyways =)
[17:25] <DanaG> Here's something annoying:
[17:25] <DanaG> Try making a snapshot on a host volume that's short on space.
[17:25] <DanaG> ... It'll fail (out of space).
[17:25] <DanaG> Now try to delete the snapshot......
[17:25] <DanaG> It'll fail (out of space).
[17:25] <DanaG> It takes MORE disk space to delete a snapshot.
[17:25] <DanaG> s/more //
[17:26] <jonpackard> hmmm.. that is annoying.. time for a bigger /home partition =)
[17:26] <hyperair> my home partition is 160GB and i'm running out of space T_T
[17:27] <ethana2> Once I dd my entire DVD collection on my 120GB HDD
[17:27] <ethana2> I may be running out of space too ;)
[17:27] <jonpackard> yikes.. i get by with a 120GB HD.. 30GB windoze (I occasionally play NWN2 and my wife plays Sims 2), 10GB root and roughly 80GB home
[17:28] <ethana2> hopefully after that I can move to 32 GB
[17:28] <lamalex> I really wish the sims worked in wine
[17:28] <ethana2> you know, when SSD throughput gets high enough
[17:28] <DanaG> Heh: http://picpaste.com/got_symlinks.jpg
[17:28] <DanaG> I had a recursive symlink on an ext3 volume, and used it with ext2fsd under Windows.
[17:29] <DanaG> I tried moving stuff from one volume to another, and it said I needed something like 1.2 terabytes more space.
[17:29] <DanaG> (note: the source drive is a "250" gig drive.
[17:29] <JGJones> jonpackard - vmware snapshot manager is excellent...better than virtualbox in terms of visualling* your snapshots (*err...not sure of the right spelling)
[17:29] <ethana2> I remember spacemonger-- do we have an equivalent yet that doesn't suck?
[17:30] <hyperair> DanaG: wtf huge svg T_T
[17:31] <jonpackard> hmm maybe i was not using the beefed up version of vmware.. i remember only being able to make a single snapshot for each VM
[17:31] <DanaG> ethana2: filelight -- but it doesn't do sparse files correctly, if I remember correctly.
[17:31] <JGJones> jonpackard - am using 30 days evaluation vmware workstation 6
[17:32] <DanaG> VMWare interface is a bit too bulky for my liking.
[17:32] <pheeror> for testing iso images nothing can't beat qemu -cdrom foo.iso
[17:32] <hyperair> you mean everything beats it
[17:33] <pheeror> fuck you
[17:33] <pheeror> when it comes to ui
[17:33] <ethana2> !ohmy
[17:33] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=230849
[17:33] <JGJones> DanaG - agreed - virtualbox is better there...there are pro and cons for both but they both are very good nonetheless...at least for ipex - virtualbox beats vmware in that it does work :)
[17:33] <hyperair> lol
[17:35] <jonpackard> ahh.. i always used vmware server.. 30-day trial wasn't appealing =)
[17:36] <hyperair> what?
[17:36] <hyperair> what 30 day trial
[17:37] <JGJones> hyperair - go to vmware and get a evaluation key - allow you to use VMware for 30 dyas.
[17:37] <h3sp4wn_> Has anyone played with the 3d acceleration in trunk vbox or vmware beta
[17:37] <hyperair> meh
[17:37] <hyperair> virtualbox has no key! hah
[17:38] <JGJones> hyperair - only if for personal use for the version with USB - as I use it commerically, I still have to pay for it either way.
[17:38] <hyperair> lol
[17:38] <hyperair> ouch?
[17:39] <JGJones> no. the company pays not me  :)
[17:39] <hyperair> ouch for the company then
[17:40] <h3sp4wn_> Sun will probably free it all in time
[17:41] <JGJones> well they've just paid for MS licences for MS Office 2007 - so it was an ideal time to ask them to cough up for a licence - a tiny drop compared with that.
[17:42] <JGJones> h3sp4wn_ i hope so
[17:43] <hyperair> when will flash get freed
[17:43] <hyperair> it's so annoying... 100% cpu when viewing flash sites
[17:43] <hyperair> meh
[17:43] <JGJones> when gnash get better.
[17:43] <hyperair> or swfdec
[17:44] <hyperair> they're both alternatives for flash aren't they
[17:44] <JGJones> 100% CPU? it's more annoying that it can be GPU accelrated but only if Compiz is disabled....
[17:44] <JGJones> yeah that too.
[17:44] <jonpackard> im frustrated with flash sites causing firefox to crash.. hulu.com seems to crash as soon as the page starts to load on occasion.. pandora can be problematic too =(
[17:44] <hyperair> gpu accelerated?
[17:44] <hyperair> it can?
[17:44] <hyperair> i never got it to work
[17:44] <JGJones> It can
[17:44] <JGJones> but only if compiz is disabled
[17:44] <hyperair> blargh
[17:44] <hyperair> why?
[17:44] <JGJones> it won't accelerate under compiz.
[17:45] <hyperair> i thought gl programs work with compiz enabled?
[17:45] <JGJones> can't remember...I think it was explained on the flash dev blog
[17:45] <hyperair> meh
[17:47] <JGJones> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/flash_uses_the_gpu.html
[17:47] <JGJones> Compiz and GPU-accelerated Flash on Linux do not mix. The Flash Player still works if you have Compiz as your window manager; you just won't be able to make use of GPU-accelerated features. This is a shame since Compiz is coming with the basic installation of various Linux distributions. Unfortunately, things get unstable when trying to do GPU acceleration in SWFs running under Compiz.
[17:47] <hyperair> meh
[17:47] <hyperair> it's unstable enough
[17:48] <hyperair> even without!
[17:48] <JGJones> there ya go...they can't make an unstable flash stable err...less unstable...under compiz
[17:49] <hyperair> ...
[17:49] <hyperair> make up your mind dammit
[17:53] <jonpackard> JGJones - Im using Ubuntu 8.04 and the version of virtualbox-ose in the repo is 1.5.6 - which distro are you running the newer virtualbox in?
[17:55] <JGJones> jonpackard - I'm on Hardy and running virtualbox 1.6.2 with USB support (not the OSE version) which you get directly from virtualbox.org
[17:55] <hyperair> jonpackard: just go to sun's website and go download the deb
[17:55] <jonpackard> cool thanks.. I'll give that a try!
[18:22] <jonpackard> guest additions installed in Intrepid guest (virtualbox) -- rebooting now.. wish me luck! =)
[18:26] <h3sp4wn_> JGJones: They freed what they could of openoffice but if there is any licensing stuff it will take a while (java is just about freed now)
[18:26] <jonpackard> it worked! I have Intrepid installed in virtualbox with full mouse/video integration.. no problems so far =D
[18:28] <h3sp4wn_> I have it on an exposed server but doesn't really matter
[18:30] <lufis> I know this is probably a stupid question, but: has anyone else had trouble installing the alpha, particularly with the setup and install packages portion, and are there any solutions?
[18:43] <JGJones> jonpackard - no issues whatsoever?
[18:43] <JGJones> (I still get that kernal panic you mentioned though although not 2/3 of the times)
[18:50] <jonpackard> JGJones - I had no problems after installing guest additions. I restored my snapshot from yesterday with updates but no extra packages.. updated and installing guest additions again
[18:51] <jonpackard> well.. I still get the kernel panics.. but that's a minor concern at this point =)
[18:54] <JGJones> jonpackard - guess I'll try it again
[19:01] <jonpackard> sweet.. i think i just got your bug JGJone =D
[19:01] <jonpackard> i've got a flashing black and gray screen and saw moving blocks during boot
[19:02] <jonpackard> it seems to be part of an update since yesterday
[19:03] <jonpackard> I'm going to restore to yesterday's updates and try again
[19:46] <G_009> selecting pulseaudio sends sound to pcsp workaround rmmod snd_pcsp as ROOT$ and add /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist snd_pcsp: success
[19:51] <G_009> insert dvd. error: could not read from resource
[19:52] <G_009> totem
[19:53] <G_009> also present on hardy. exact same behaviour. and this is fresh install
[20:06] <unohu> Hi...the nvidia kernel module is not included in restricted-modules....is it moved to some other package or will be included later? ...sorry if its the wrong place to ask .... thanks
[20:16] <joaopinto> I have read on the ML that it would be provided on another package, but that is still being worked
[20:28] <jonpackard> im running dist-upgrade and after Setting up scrollkeeper (0.3.14-16ubuntu1) ... it is Rebuilding the database. This may take some time... it wasn't kidding! =/
[20:32] <jonpackard> JGJones - I ran dist-upgrade AFTER I installed virtualbox guest additions and it didn't give me the graphics glitch this time. I have a fully updated system with guest adds =)
[20:33] <JGJones> jonpackard - that's what I did - apt-get update'n'dist-upgrade and then installed guest additions...sigh...
[20:33] <JGJones> alpha and all that...
[20:50] <jonpackard> i wonder why it installing it before those updates worked better than installing it after.. alphas sure are fun =)
[20:51] <jonpackard> would you like the list of packages that I did not update until after installing guest additions?
[20:52] <jonpackard> I'll BBL.. here's the list if you need it =) http://pastebin.com/f4d079bcb
[21:10] <G_009> FF: import bookmark from .json file. restart FF session. previously restored bookmarks not present.
[21:25] <ASULutzy> Dumb question maybe, but is there anyway to load the nice dark theme from Intrepid into my hardy install?
[21:32] <user__> hello - is the isolinux program packaged for hardy (I'd like to work with the intrepid iso)? if i search on packages.ubuntu.com i cannot find anything
[22:19] <h3sp4wn_> user__: why wouldn't it be ?
[22:27] <user__> where could i find the script which creates the intrepid live cd?
[22:28] <h3sp4wn_> Not sure if I remember correctly but I think that part is not open
[22:28] <user__> h3sp4wn_: i used "Search the contents of packages" with the string "isolinux" and nothing came up
[22:28] <h3sp4wn_> !info isolinux
[22:28] <h3sp4wn_> !info syslinux
[22:29] <user__> h3sp4wn_: when i didnt know yet that i would need the syslinux package, package search on ubuntu.com was not giving me any answer. thats why i asked
[22:30] <user__> h3sp4wn_: "that part is not open"?
[22:30] <h3sp4wn_> Its fine its part of syslinux now though
[22:31] <h3sp4wn_> user__: Canocial won't let you have it
[22:31] <h3sp4wn_> I think its called suiz or something like that
[22:31] <user__> ok, thanks
[22:31] <h3sp4wn_> (I might be totally wrong on that though)
[22:31] <user__> so package.ub.org does not list everything
[22:31] <h3sp4wn_> user__: You are probably better off looking at live-package
[22:32] <h3sp4wn_> !info live-package
[22:32] <h3sp4wn_> I wonder what that was renamed
[22:33] <user__> h3sp4wn_: sorry, so package.ubunto.org does not list/index all packages for anon viewers?
[22:33] <h3sp4wn_> user__: I have no idea I don't use it
[22:34] <user__> h3sp4wn_: ok, thanks very much
[22:34] <h3sp4wn_> user__: dfsbuild perhaps that incorporates the stuff from live-package (or maybe its only in debian)
[22:35] <h3sp4wn_> !info live-helper
[22:36] <h3sp4wn_> user__: No live-helper is the one you want its really easy to use and alot less hassle than messing around with isolinux and rebuilding the cd (I have done both)
[22:48] <user__> nice: !info live-magic
[22:48] <user__> !info live-magic
[23:12] <user__> h3sp4wn_: live-helper really got me rolling, thanks
[23:32]  * assasukasse is away: Screenshot of Elive: http://elivecd.org/Main/Screenshots


[01:57] <akgraner> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #185 is now available:
[01:57] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue185
[10:09] <czajkowski> folks all set up for global jam at the weekend ?
[11:24] <akgraner> czajkowski, hmm that's a trick questions :-P  nope not yet for me :-)
[11:25] <czajkowski> akgraner: loads of time
[11:25] <czajkowski> just finished up sorting out ireland
[11:25] <czajkowski> had a day of planning yesterday followed by a night of sleep
[11:25] <akgraner> czajkowski, yeah nice post!
[11:25] <czajkowski> tonight is gonna be email over load
[11:25] <czajkowski> thanks
[11:26] <czajkowski> think you have to find what ever works for your LoCo even if it involves a bit of tweaking
[11:26] <czajkowski> what works for others may not work for yours due to the types of people involved
[11:27] <akgraner> yep - I think NC has 3 events across the state planned
[11:28] <akgraner> I am just not ready :-)
[11:28] <czajkowski> 3
[11:28] <czajkowski> that's a lot
[15:25] <czajkowski> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/women-in-science-pioneers-blaze-path-for-others-1924794.html
[15:26] <czajkowski> I liked #10 10. Nancy Rothwell MRC research professor, University of Manchester
[15:26] <czajkowski> "I'm often asked how I manage in a male dominated profession. I just don't recognise this description. I have experienced nothing but support from all my male colleagues.
[15:50] <MarkDude> czajkowski, that is a really cool way to approach things. Its very similar to "BE the change you want to see in the World" or "I choose to ignore *your* reality & substitute a version of my own"
[15:51] <czajkowski> MarkDude: are you referring to the article or Nancy Rothwel comment ? as thelast part of your comment fits neither
[15:53] <MarkDude> Refering to the fact that the responses to being a woman in Science have as many *paths* as there are people.
[15:54] <MarkDude> Its not like there is just one path for anything or any type of people. I like how people solve *problems* in different ways, sometimes by not paying too much attention - thats all :)
[15:55] <MarkDude> Maybe I just read too much into it, IMO it reminds me of a friend that believes in just being a peer helps people *act* like peers
[15:56] <MarkDude> Anyway, even if Im still in the *ass* category with some, great article
[16:45] <pleia2> we have team meetings here, right?
[16:45] <AlanBell> Mootbot-UK is here
[16:45]  * pleia2 nods
[16:45] <pleia2> ok good
[16:46] <jussi01> AlanBell: Mootbot-UK is different from Mootbot, right?
[16:47] <jussi01> AlanBell: if so, pease update: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[16:53] <MarkDude> AlanBell, how do I gets me a copy of Mootbot-UK ?
[16:54] <jussi01> MarkDude: I think its in bzr on LP iirc
[16:55] <MarkDude> Cool, ty jussi01
[16:55] <jussi01> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot
[16:55] <jussi01> Im guessing the alanbell branch :D
[17:02] <AlanBell> yes, it is the alanbell branch
[17:03] <AlanBell> it is hosted on the -uk server and dumps logs here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/
[17:04] <MarkDude> CXool, found it
[17:04] <AlanBell> it is a bit experimental, the idea being to fold it into mootbot if it is considered useful
[17:04] <AlanBell> MarkDude: if you want it to sit in your channel Daviey is the bot herder
[17:06] <MarkDude> Ty AlanBell logbot is on our *by summertime list* we are weighing out the + & -
[17:06] <AlanBell> cool, which loco?
[17:16] <MarkDude> Possibly Oregon. I know 2 people willing to be the lead there. Its been abandoned for a while
[17:17] <AlanBell> what is the IRC channel?
[17:17] <MarkDude> & I used to live. I still work up there sometimes- so I have been trying to help bring them some options.
[17:17] <MarkDude> #ubuntu-us-or
[17:18] <MarkDude> The actual lead is MIA,
[17:23] <czajkowski> MarkDude: when you say lead, do you mean point of contact ?
[17:25] <MarkDude> Yes
[17:25] <czajkowski> hmm that's not ideal
[17:25] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct if they're not around they should step down
[17:26] <MarkDude> czajkowski, I dont know the "current" lead
[17:36]  * AlanBell looks forward to issyl0's blog post
[17:36] <AlanBell> am I getting too impatient?
[17:45] <JanC> ugh, *another* loco with a "dead" contact ?
[17:45] <jussi01> JanC: theres far too many of them imho...
[17:45] <JanC> seriously, why don't locoteams just replace such a person...
[17:46] <jussi01> they dont know they can?
[17:47] <MarkDude> We did not want to be rude & figured we would give a chance to step up
[17:47] <JanC> as the loco contact is appointed by the locoteam, why wouldn't they be able to replace him/her...
[17:48] <JanC> unfortunately it seems like some "leaders" think they "own" their locoteam
[17:48] <JanC> MarkDude: giving people a chance is okay of course
[17:49] <MarkDude> JanC, there is actually alot of gray area with resolution processes, & I will leave it at that :)
[17:50] <JanC> in some cases we're talking about people who haven't been around for 6 months and are known not to be for the next 2-3 years
[17:50] <issyl0> AlanBell: yes :P
[17:53] <MarkDude> CA had the same issue - a Google employee abandoned it, took a while to sort out
[17:57] <pleia2> there are loads of loco teams with "missing" leaders, in the US I frequently find they're pretty disjointed from ubuntu as a whole so they wouldn't know about the lcoc or anything
[17:57] <maco> our loco contact is around but insists he is not the leader.  crimsun does most of the event planning
[17:57] <pleia2> which is part of the reason we have ubuntu-us to help them all out
[17:57] <maco> (he says "cat herder" is more accurate than "leader")
[17:57] <pleia2> the contact for us-pa is not the leader (there isn't really a leader)
[18:10] <czajkowski> there is no grey area, it's really rather simple, there is a document it's very clear
[18:10] <czajkowski> if you're not around , please step down
[18:11] <czajkowski> pleia2: tisn't just USA, but there are a lotta usa teams doing things their way..
[18:12] <czajkowski> maybe tis an english /usa translation on what the word point of contact means, as usa seems to translate it to leader with power over the team *boggles*
[18:13] <maco> i thought at some point the term *was* leader
[18:13] <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, people are very confused about contact vs leader (it's not confusing to me, I think it's cultural rather than language)
[18:13] <pleia2> and frequently they *are* the same person
[18:13] <czajkowski> pleia2: perhaps, but it's begining to become a problem
[18:13]  * czajkowski adds another item to her list
[18:14] <pleia2> beginning to? :)
[18:14] <czajkowski> maco: some teams have leaders, others have managers, it's all a bit hit and miss
[18:14] <pleia2> it's been a problem for years
[18:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: it's now in my inbox :) so I'm noticing it a lot more
[18:14]  * pleia2 nods
[18:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: but there is a case of it being a lot of usa based
[18:18]  * MarkDude guesses it might have to do with some Americans view of how to execise power.
[18:19] <MarkDude> IMO
[18:19] <maco> MarkDude: top down?
[18:23] <MarkDude> That & the idea that if you have power, it MUST be used
[18:24] <MarkDude> Ima big fan of checks & balances- some find that a hassle


[04:35] <elacheche_anis> Anybody is wake up here??
[04:44] <elacheche_anis> Is there anybody wake up here??
[06:39] <EgyParadox> yup
[06:39] <EgyParadox> elacheche_anis,
[06:40] <elacheche_anis> finally XD
[06:41] <elacheche_anis> EgyParadox, Is the mail server of the MLs down??? I try to send a mail to the Tunisian loco since 00h & every time a receive a mail with an error from google..
[06:41] <elacheche_anis> I want to know if the u-eg ML works well :/
[06:43] <EgyParadox> ok
[06:44] <EgyParadox> it says the email is sent
[06:46] <elacheche_anis> :/ you don't receive an error after that??
[06:47] <EgyParadox> no
[06:47] <EgyParadox> I sent it through gmail
[06:48] <elacheche_anis> that's mean that the problem is just in our ML XD What can I do :/ I need to contact the administrator.. Is that true??
[06:49] <elacheche_anis> thx EgyParadox for helping me :D
[06:49] <EgyParadox> ur welcome :D
[22:31]  * EgyParadox is away: I'm busy


[09:49] <trijntje> any news on when translations for quantal will open?
[16:29] <trijntje> any news on when translations for quantal will open?
[17:18] <artnay> trijntje: should be "any time soon" - subscribe to ML at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators (unless you haven't already) and you'll know when dpm announces quantal translations