[21:57] <cjbirk> I have a question: I currently have an nVidia card on my media center running ubuntu, if i switch to a radeon/ati card - what do I need to do so that nothing breaks?
[21:57] <n0yd> umm, you can fix anything without reinstalling, if you know what you are doing
[21:57] <dawne_p> n0yd, it looks ok, but when I touch to click it I see the pointer move.
[21:57] <djbengan_> the oh so annoying no screens found errror.
[21:57] <bekks> djbengan_: Then your driver installation for your graphics card went wrong. Fixable without reinstallation.
[21:57] <Jack_DanieL`s> hey girl's
[21:57] <n0yd> dawne_p, ya, my friend had that same issue. But he is legaly blind, so I thought maybe it was because he was using the magnifying thing
[21:58] <djbengan_> and, the -configure switch is not working
[21:58] <n0yd> But if you have the same issue, no idea
[21:58] <n0yd> Anything is fixablew without reinstalling pretty much
[21:58] <n0yd> At most you have to use a bootcd
[21:58] <bekks> cjbirk: Uninstall the old driver, switch hw, install the new driver. I'd go with nvidia, personally.
[21:58] <n0yd> chroot is a godsend
[21:58] <bekks> djbengan_: Its isnt needed, basically.
[21:58] <djbengan_> bekks: i cant fix my drivers bcus that laptop got no internet.
[21:59] <n0yd> you can download the drivers and put them on disk or usb
[21:59] <bekks> djbengan_: Then you have to get it some internet.
[21:59] <phillyj> n0yd: do I need a special type of printer that can print through a network or will any work?
[21:59] <cjbirk> bekks: really?
[21:59] <steven_> hi
[21:59] <n0yd> phillyj, Well, using them over USB to the router is probably the issue
[21:59] <cjbirk> ati is no good on ubuntu?
[21:59] <bekks> phillyj: With a printserver (see wether your router provides one), every printer works fine.
[22:00] <n0yd> Because the router has to suppor the printer
[22:00] <n0yd> bekks, not true
[22:00] <bekks> cjbirk: For me, ATI was a no-go always. Never had problems with nvidia, but heard a lot of issues with ATI.
[22:00] <djbengan_> Let me explain a bit: it's a macbook air with a broken logicboard. The usb-hub is fried.
[22:00] <n0yd> the router must still support it. Just like if you plugged it into the computer. The router is running linux afterall
[22:01] <secret_ninja> how do i list installed pkgs?
[22:01] <n0yd> bekks, its easier to just get a printer that supports wifi or cat5 and connect it to the router that way
[22:01] <bekks> secret_ninja: dpkg -l
[22:01] <n0yd> That way you dont have to worry about the router actually supporting it
[22:01] <secret_ninja> thnx
[22:01] <n0yd> woops
[22:01] <n0yd> That was meant for you phillyj
[22:01] <n0yd> the last two tjhings I said
[22:01] <n0yd> sorry bekks
[22:02] <nizor> maths softwares pls
[22:02] <n0yd> nizor, youve asked a bunch of times, and even PM'd me
[22:02] <bekks> nizor: "bc"
[22:02] <djbengan_> is the packaged stored on my computer?
[22:02] <n0yd> I told you gnuplot for some stuff, and if you need other stuff, to search google
[22:02] <DankenseN> hi all, if somebody can help me, i already installed apt-get unrar, just trying to unrar a file and i have a message error : CRC failed !???
[22:03] <n0yd> or search software-center
[22:03] <djbengan_> Like, if i purge Xorg, and reinstall, can i do that without internetz?
[22:03] <nizor> n0yd just wana get plenty to try out tonight..needed for project work
[22:03] <n0yd> Linux has TONS of math applications, its one thing linux is popular for
[22:03] <n0yd> nizor, google it, seriously
[22:03] <bekks> djbengan_: How can we know? We dont even know which Ubuntu you have, which graphics card you have, which driver you are using, nor which error message in detail you keep getting.
[22:03] <nizor> downloading kmplot, maxima and gunplot nw
[22:03] <n0yd> nizor, I googled "mathematics applications linux" lots of stuff
[22:04] <nizor> ok thnks n0yd
[22:05] <n0yd> nizor, here is a great list" http://linux.about.com/library/howto/scientific_comput/blsc4.htm
[22:06] <djbengan_> Lol. So, Its ubuntu 13.04 with nauveaue-driver(i will never learn how to spell it right), i got no clue on the chip but i know the nvidia-common is dead. Im getting the no screens connected from xorg.
[22:06] <bekks> djbengan_: Since when is nvidia-common dead?
[22:07] <bekks> djbengan_: And which hardware do you have - which graphics card?
[22:07] <djbengan_> It's dead on the late 2011 macbook airs
[22:07] <bekks> djbengan_: Which graphics adapter...?
[22:08] <elisa87> how can I take rodinia and rodinia_benchmarks out from this list? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5711682/ in mount?
[22:09] <djbengan_> bekks: NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3
[22:09] <bekks> djbengan_: Then just use nvidia-updates?
[22:10] <djbengan_> bekks: Last time i tried i got "cannot configure this device" when using nvida-updates
[22:10] <OliverJAsh> i'm new. what should i be using for terminal? i'm an advanced terminal user on os x, use panes etc
[22:10] <OliverJAsh> also need good support for colours
[22:12] <zykotick9> OliverJAsh: you might want to try urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode), it's minimal, but one of the best terminal emulator going... YMMV
[22:12] <phillyj> n0yd: i think you're right; the usb indicator LED on the router doesn't turn on; probably incompatible
[22:12] <djbengan_> But, its listed on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html
[22:12] <djbengan_> ...
[22:13] <n0yd> phillyj, ya I had the same problem, and im actually running a pretty decent router, and custom firmwaew
[22:13] <bekks> djbengan_: MAybe it wasnt, earlier.
[22:13] <n0yd> So I ended up just using the wifi on it
[22:13] <OliverJAsh> cheers zykotick9
[22:14] <n0yd> phillyj, network capable printers are much easier to work with, cause you dont rely on the router on anything besides giving the printer an IP
[22:14] <phillyj> n0yd: this sucks; so there's not much unless I get a newer printer
[22:14] <n0yd> which it gives IP's to anything connected to it via wifi or cat5/6
[22:14] <djbengan_> givin it a try
[22:14] <n0yd> phillyj, well, you could plug it in to the computer itself
[22:15] <phillyj> n0yd: that's how it was; I wanted to share with my laptops
[22:15] <n0yd> Does your router actually support being a printserver?
[22:16] <phillyj> n0yd: well, it is one of the options; can also add a storage drive
[22:17] <n0yd> and you are saying their is an specific light for usb on the router?
[22:17] <djbengan_> tyvm bekks
[22:17] <phillyj> n0yd: but I think it might be easier to setup via their windows software; not sure how to thru ubuntu
[22:17] <phillyj> n0yd: yes, the usb drive lit up when i plugged it in
[22:18] <n0yd> if you plug it in, and go into the routers config via your web browser, does it show up there?
[22:18] <n0yd> you are sayijng lit up, but, lit up where? On the router, or on the drive?
[22:18] <phillyj> n0yd: I don't see anything of that sort; oh, lit on the router
[22:18] <n0yd> You know how to access your routers config right?
[22:18] <phillyj> n0yd: not sure what to look for on the router config
[22:18] <phillyj> yes
[22:19] <n0yd> I would look in the printer server section
[22:19] <n0yd> what router is it?
[22:19] <phillyj> yea...no option like that; is weird
[22:19] <phillyj> belkil n300
[22:19] <phillyj> F7D7301
[22:19] <n0yd> What router is this?  And when its plugged into the rouiter, does it work on the windows ones?
[22:19] <meLon> Any ideas on how to 'throttle' hdds?  I've got a PV on an external HDD, and if I read too quickly it 'crashes'.  Nothing is wrong other than the OS thinks that the HDD is capable of handling more than it can.
[22:20] <phillyj> havent tried window, n0yd
[22:20] <n0yd> ok
[22:20] <Zzyzx> Need help with adding a USB printer to Ubuntu. It's not detected using System Settings > Hardware > Printers
[22:20] <n0yd> If it ultimately doesnt work via the router, you could always share it out via another computer. Be it windows or Linux.   Or a similar section
[22:24] <Neozonz> anyone here use proxmox? im trying to implement a ufw firewall on my guest os but it's not working...
[22:24] <n0yd> phillyj, in case you dont have the manual, http://www.belkin.com/networking/manual/MAN_F7D7301_8820-00699_ShareMaxN300.pdf
[22:25] <Lightz> hi. is apparmor only used for applications or can i also use it to set more detailed read, write and execute rules for regular directories and text files? thanks
[22:26] <phillyj> n0yd: no such thing on the config page unless they put it under something I don't understand
[22:26] <mohsen_> hi
[22:27] <phillyj> n0yd: waitaminute; i see something in the log
[22:28] <phillyj> n0yd: does this mean anything "Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read!"
[22:28] <n0yd> It means that is why it isnt working
[22:29] <n0yd> Or part of why
[22:30] <n0yd> phillyj, it sounds like a really common error though on those routers
[22:30] <n0yd> so it might not be why
[22:30] <n0yd> but it appears its a common issue with people trying to print on those routers
[22:31] <n0yd> the router uses samba to share, and it need printcap
[22:31] <n0yd> if you knew how to ssh into the router, I could show you how to remove that error
[22:32] <n0yd> but i dont think its a critical error, from what I see
[22:33] <sianhulo> is there a tool  to manage the internet connection of various devices?ile setting speed caps and the such?
[22:33] <Anxi80> Is it better to install java jdk in /etc or /usr/local ?
[22:33] <n0yd> sianhulo, thats generally done on the router
[22:33] <n0yd> using QoS
[22:34] <zykotick9> Anxi80: i'd say /opt is most unix-like location.   don't install anything in /etc!
[22:35] <Anxi80> zykotick9, thanks for the advice but why /opt over /usr/local ?
[22:35] <sianhulo> n0yd, thanks
[22:36] <zykotick9> Anxi80: you can use /usr/local is you want, but i like to leave all of /usr for the system (i'm very conservative with my boxes)
[22:36] <w30> Anxi80, I liked /usr/local when I used Slackware but you have to do a lot of env settings when you do /usr/local stuff
[22:37] <Anxi80> zykotick9, thanks
[22:37] <Anxi80> w30, I am setting up update-alternatives for /usr/bin/java
[22:38] <Anxi80> w30, that's about it
[22:38] <w30> Anxi80, like set the env=<whatever>
[22:38] <Afteraffekt> Hey all, I am trying to boot a live copy of Ubuntu 12.04 from my USB drive and I get this error over and over with I press F3 during the boot screen "udevd[130] : timeout: killing '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdc' [457]"
[22:38] <DankenseN> CRC failed trying to unrar a file ... can someone help me ?
[22:39] <Anxi80> w30, thanks
[22:39] <n0yd> DankenseN, sounds like a bad download
[22:39] <n0yd> It doesnt just give the error for no reason
[22:39] <n0yd> If you can find the MD5 or SHA sum for the file, check it
[22:40] <w30> Anxi80, you should get env errors if something can't find java in /usr/local; if so set it.
[22:41] <w30> Anxi80, I think everything not distro installed should be in /usr/local but what do I know
[22:44] <Anxi80> w30, that is what i read and is why i'm asking
[22:44] <Anxi80> w30, /usr/local seemed like a good place according to reading the output of hier in cli
[22:46] <DankenseN> thx n0yd
[22:46] <Afteraffekt> Any ideas guys?
[22:51] <brainwash> Afteraffekt: remove /dev/sdc and try again
[22:52] <Afteraffekt> brainwash, remove how?
[22:52] <brainwash> unplug the device which is causing the timeout
[22:53] <phillyj> n0yd: do you think that having ddwrt on the router would make it easier to add that printer?
[22:53] <Afteraffekt> i thought i did, but when i did that now it says /dev/sda
[22:53] <brainwash> so it was the wrong one
[22:53] <Afteraffekt> brainwash, the only other one is the usb drive i am booting from
[22:55] <Afteraffekt> now its killing sda1
[22:57] <brainwash> so only the usb drive with the ubuntu image is attached?
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, In the first gui the lice session shows is a check for the medium.
[22:58] <wilee-nilee> live*
[22:59] <Afteraffekt> meaning/
[22:59] <Afteraffekt> ?
[22:59] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, check the iso on the usb with it.
[23:00] <Afteraffekt> seems Yumi has taken those options from me
[23:00] <Afteraffekt> i can hit tab and change boot options, thats it
[23:01] <n0yd> phillyj, honestly, no.  I use custom firmware, I still couldnt get mine to work.  But if you wanna try, go ahead
[23:01] <n0yd> i actually prefer something based on tomatousb
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> !md5sum | Afteraffekt
[23:02] <Afteraffekt> n0yd, that directed to me/
[23:02] <Afteraffekt> ?
[23:02] <phillyj> n0yd: alright, so it's more of a hardware incompatibilty; guess i'll put this on hold
[23:02] <n0yd> Afteraffekt, no
[23:02] <n0yd> phillyj, like I said u caalways share it out with windows or linux
[23:03] <Afteraffekt> wilee-nilee, if this is all you guys can think of then its probably a bad rip (I first pulled the iso off a disk, then put it to disk drive with yumi
[23:03] <n0yd> phillyj, looks like only dd-wrt micro ll run on your router. Cause you onyl have 2MB of flash compared to pother routers 32MB or more.
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> Afteraffekt, Where would you start with a iso that does not load,?
[23:03] <n0yd> I dont think dd-wrt micro even has USB support built in
[23:04] <Afteraffekt> wilee-nilee, i assume you meant why, and why is because i had no way to test. this laptop im trying to fix has no disk drive
[23:06] <withn352> anyone got any experience with setting up printers in linux via bonjour?
[23:06] <phillyj> n0yd: hmm, i read otherwise when i was flashing a few months ago; well, wasted my time today
[23:07] <Quix86> Is there software like "PHC" that can be used for undervolting a pentium M cpu that is supported on 13.04?
[23:07] <phillyj> n0yd: thx for al the help
[23:07] <Quix86> I asked this before and was suggested TLP, but this requires PHC to undervolt the processor
[23:07] <daftykins> Quix86: doesn't it support speedstep to scale automatically?
[23:07] <n0yd> phillyj, no problem. if dd-wrt micro does support usb out of the box, I doubt it does printing (ie no cups or samba_
[23:07] <Quix86> daftykins, yes, but only at the default voltage range
[23:08] <Quix86> I want to use voltages below the default range
[23:08] <n0yd> Because its micro, your router doesnt have enough flash memory to run the full dd-wrt versons
[23:09] <n0yd> Quix86, phc will work on ubuntu, you just need a PHC capable kernel
[23:09] <n0yd> The stock kernel doesnt support undervoling afaik
[23:09] <Quix86> n0yd, I'm looking at the PPA page and it says that the latest supported version of the distro is 12.04
[23:10] <Quix86> this ppa includes the kernel patch, if I'm not mistaken
[23:10] <n0yd> the version suported in the ppa doesnt matter
[23:10] <n0yd> its just a kernel
[23:10] <n0yd> https://launchpad.net/~linux-phc/+archive/ppa
[23:10] <n0yd> But youy are right, its an old kernel
[23:10] <Quix86> yes 13.04 is on 3.5 or so
[23:10] <Quix86> latest is 3.2
[23:11] <n0yd> right, .04 is on 3.8
[23:11] <Quix86> is it? I thought mine was on 3.5
[23:11] <Quix86> oh wait
[23:11] <Quix86> I'm thinking of 12.10
[23:11] <n0yd> but a 3.2 kernel shouldnt hurt. But really the best way would to be compile your own kernel with the patches built in
[23:12] <Quix86> which I thought is what the PPA would do, or at least it would do it the easy way
[23:12] <n0yd> thats installing a pre-built kernel
[23:13] <n0yd> compiling one yourself would get you the latest kernel
[23:13] <Quix86> so what kind of trouble do I have to go through to patch this myself
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> you're installing a kernel from a ppa?
[23:13] <Quix86> would be if it was up to date
[23:13] <Quix86> which it's not
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> Quix86, I think it might actually better to build it yourself
[23:14] <Quix86> which is the conclusion we've come to
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> https://www.kernel.org/
[23:14] <Ari-Yang> what ubuntu version are you on? j/w (just wondering)
[23:14] <Quix86> that said I'll have to do a fresh install when my CF adapter comes in anyway and it'd make more sense to install 12.04 on that and do it the easy way but alas, it's not in yet
[23:14] <Quix86> 13.04
[23:15] <Ari-Yang> Quix86, so you want to install kernel 3.9 on 13.04?
[23:15] <n0yd> Quix86, compiling the kernel is really easy
[23:15] <n0yd> Ari-Yang, he doesnt care about the version really
[23:15] <Quix86> Ari-Yang, I think it's on 3.8... I'm not sure. And yes, I don't care about the version
[23:15] <n0yd> He just wants a kernel with ther PHC patch
[23:15] <Ari-Yang> ah
[23:15] <n0yd> Quix86, 3.9 wporks fine on 13.04
[23:16] <n0yd> But 3.8 is whats stock
[23:16] <n0yd> But like I said, a 3.2 _should_ work also
[23:16] <Quix86> I think I did 3.6 on 12.10 once and it just broke things
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> tbh I'm tempted to compile kernel 3.9 on my laptop (this has ubuntu 12.10 installed)
[23:16] <OliverJAsh> if i'm going to install a shell script or binary and i want it in my $PATH, where would you recommend storing it? there are many binsŌĆ”
[23:16] <Quix86> lets assume 3.8
[23:16] <Quix86> since that's what's on it
[23:16] <n0yd> Quix86, you can use ubuntus config for the kernel so you dont have to configure by hand if you dont know how, then just download the patch and patch it
[23:17] <OliverJAsh> ~/bin perhaps?
[23:17] <n0yd> Quix86, any custom kernel will "break things" if you dont know what you are doing
[23:17] <Quix86> I never know what I'm doing
[23:17] <Ari-Yang> XD
[23:17] <n0yd> You will have to install the linux-firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree packages
[23:17] <Quix86> 3.6 worked for the most part but my hotswap drive wouldn't work
[23:18] <rypervenche> Quix86: That's why it's best to use your current .config and then make the changes you need.
[23:18] <n0yd> And posibly have to install the nvidia or radeon drivers from their site
[23:18] <Quix86> I'm on intel master race graphics
[23:18] <n0yd> As you might have to compile the drivers against the custom kernel
[23:18] <juniour> hi ubuntu geeks :)
[23:18] <Quix86> hi 88
[23:18] <n0yd> Ok, well intel video isnt an issue. Yiou will still want those firmware packages though
[23:18] <n0yd> For things like intel wifi and such
[23:19] <n0yd> It really isnt very hard
[23:19] <juniour> hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help
[23:19] <n0yd> chunkymonkey, please dont IRC as root...
[23:19] <chunkymonkey> chroot
[23:19] <chunkymonkey> im on a chromebook
[23:19] <n0yd> k
[23:20] <n0yd> you didnt create another user?
[23:20] <chunkymonkey> actually why im here
[23:20] <n0yd> adduser
[23:20] <n0yd> from the shell
[23:20] <Quix86> hmmmm
[23:20] <chunkymonkey> Anyone have experience with chromebooks running ubuntu?
[23:21] <Quix86> where is the patch I need exactly? I've found something that just says "kernel 2.6.33 and up"
[23:21] <juniour> chunkymonkey chromebook s...ks
[23:21] <n0yd> chunkymonkey, are you trying to install ubuntu? there are guides for running it on the chromebvook all over. It even uses the chromebooks kernel
[23:21] <juniour> hi i have a usb that is procted with windows bitlocker, i have password , but when i inset i won't get any prompt to enter password plz help
[23:22] <n0yd> Quix86, http://www.linux-phc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2
[23:22] <n0yd> everything is on their forums
[23:22] <n0yd> howtos, etc
[23:22] <Quix86> that's the same page I was on
[23:22] <n0yd> juniour, im pretty sure bitlocker does not work on linux
[23:22] <n0yd> Quix86, the download is right there
[23:22] <Quix86> and I asked 'it said 2.6.33 and up'
[23:22] <n0yd> It says attachment, under 0.4.4
[23:22] <Quix86> that's a bit older than 3.8
[23:23] <n0yd> Quix86, right that means you need a 2.6.33 kernel or up
[23:23] <n0yd> whats the problem?
[23:23] <juniour> n0dy how can i read my data
[23:23] <n0yd> Its just a requiurement, like Windows 98 and up
[23:23] <juniour> ??
[23:23] <Quix86> I'm from the windows world, compatibility isn't always how it sounds
[23:23] <juniour> i think its a big loop hole of linux
[23:23] <Quix86> 98 and up usually means 'if you are running 7x64 then have fun'
[23:23] <n0yd> juniour, use windows. Or stop using propietary exncryption
[23:24] <Quix86> maybe he can run the bitlocker program in wine?
[23:24] <n0yd> juniour, next tijme encrypot your data using a method that isnt propietaru
[23:24] <n0yd> Its not Linux's fault that it cant read a closer sourced encryption mechanism made by MS
[23:24] <n0yd> Mac can't either. Or any other OS
[23:24] <n0yd> Next time use truecrypt
[23:24] <rypervenche> LUKS <3
[23:24] <n0yd> Its cross platform
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> juniour, try using WINE or a VM (virtual machine)
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> !wine
[23:25] <Quix86> The guide says I may need a cup of coffee to install linux-phc. I don't have any coffee. :(
[23:25] <Quix86> how did that get unblocked
[23:25] <n0yd> Ari-Yang, wine is not gonna do anything with bitlocker
[23:25] <n0yd> Though a VM would work for reading bitlocker
[23:26] <n0yd> You need the full OS, not just a simple program in wine
[23:26] <Quix86> yeah a VM is a bit of a chunky way to go about it but it should work
[23:26] <n0yd> I would just stop using bitlocker :P
[23:26] <n0yd> And use truecrypt or luks
[23:26] <n0yd> LKUKS is more for whole drive encryption though, and doesnt work on other platforms
[23:26] <jakemp> when I am in a directory, pre-13.04 It would go to that file in the directory. Now it does a more complex search, which is really slow. How do I disable this?
[23:26] <jakemp> in the graphical file manager
[23:27] <n0yd> im not sure what you mean
[23:27] <juniour> n0yd truecrypt is not good
[23:27] <n0yd> juniour, lol
[23:27] <n0yd> whys that?
[23:28] <Iceman_B> is there any reason, other than physical hdd failure why filesystem might get set to read-only mode when running?
[23:28] <juniour> n0yd it create virtual disk, and any one can delete that and ,all data gone lol
[23:28] <n0yd> .....
[23:29] <n0yd> juniour, http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-volume-protection
[23:29] <n0yd> not very hard to protect
[23:29] <jakemp> like, I click files, and a window opens with /home/jakemp displayed. It used to be that if I started typing myCodeDirectory, it would select the directory as soon as it was unique, and I could hit enter. Now it stops and searches my whole home directory or hard drive.
[23:29] <n0yd> And its a far superior option to bitlocker
[23:29] <n0yd> Which is propietary crap imho
[23:30] <n0yd> jakemp, I dont use Unity, so I dont know. But it sounds like one of the "lens" for unity, or whatever they call that
[23:30] <n0yd> Hopefully someone else will chime in
[23:30] <juniour> n0yd heee lol i think it can be deleted using live os or something
[23:30] <jakemp> It doesn't open the lense menu. It's entirely in the application
[23:30] <n0yd> juniour, it cant if you just follow the directions
[23:31] <jakemp> is there a way to open a file when I don't know the name of the application that opens it?
[23:31] <jakemp> like a pdf, when I don't know the name of my pdf reader
[23:31] <rypervenche> juniour: Anyone can erase the partition scheme on it and thus delete the data as well.
[23:31] <n0yd> jakemp, ok, so if you open nautlius, and in the location bar, you type /home/jakemp, it oesnt go there?
[23:31] <zykotick9> jakemp: try "xdg-open foo"
[23:32] <juniour> then wt is the best way to protect data
[23:32] <n0yd> you are saying what you type in the location bar in nautilus, its searching for? rather than just navigating to?
[23:32] <juniour> ?
[23:32] <mdh> I'm running samba in share mode, how could I set which user samba is using to read and write files on the share?
[23:32] <jakemp> n0yd, I do, but if I just start typing after set focus to the main document window, it starts what used to be a search, instead of the old autocomplete/select
[23:33] <rypervenche> juniour: I would personally say LUKS or Truecrypt.
[23:33] <n0yd> juniour, if someone has physicval access the drive, there is always a way delete it.  Encryption just stops people from accessing the data, i doesnt stop from people from deleting it
[23:33] <rypervenche> juniour: You should always have backups.
[23:33] <n0yd> You gotta realize that deleting isnt the same accessing it.  I can delete your encrypted data, but I cant read it
[23:34] <betrayd> howdy
[23:34] <juniour> humm nice answer :)
[23:34] <n0yd> jakemp, so again, use truecrypt, and folow the instructions for protecting your hidden volume
[23:34] <juniour> thats wt cloud come in handy :)
[23:35] <n0yd> woops
[23:35] <n0yd> i meant juniour
[23:35] <n0yd> juniour, also, if you enable thwe hidden volume protection, it makes it so only you can access the outter volume
[23:36] <n0yd> Its all quite clear in the link I pasted
[23:36] <n0yd> Important: You are the only person who can mount your outer volume with the hidden volume protection enabled (since nobody else knows your hidden volume password). When an adversary asks you to mount an outer volume, you of course must not mount it with the hidden volume protection enabled. You must mount it as a normal volume (and then TrueCrypt will not show the volume type "Outer" but "Normal"). The reason is that, during the time when an outer volume is
[23:36] <n0yd>  mounted with the hidden volume protection enabled, the adversary can find out that a hidden volume exists within the outer volume (he/she will be able to find it out until the volume is dismounted and possibly even some time after the computer has been powered off - see Unencrypted Data in RAM).
[23:36] <cand> alguem fala portug├¬s aqui ?
[23:37] <n0yd> cand, #ubuntu-pt
[23:39] <betrayd> !br | cand
[23:39] <juniour> n0dy ram takes some time to fade data, from there it can be retrived :)
[23:39] <meLon> How can I prevent USB drives from sleeping and have it persistent across boots?
[23:39] <n0yd> juniour, apparently you still arent reading that correctly
[23:39] <n0yd> but whatever
[23:39] <juniour> n0dy thanks nice explanation for truecrypt
[23:40] <juniour> i am going for it
[23:40] <juniour> in more deep
[23:40] <n0yd> The fact is, ANYTHING can be deleted pretty much with physical access
[23:41] <n0yd> But using  that protection outlined in that article, if you mount it witthe hidden volume protection disabled, it wont show the hidden volume, or even name the outter volume as "outtr"
[23:42] <uw> meLon, UUIDs
[23:43] <meLon> I'm familiar with partitions/disks having UUIDs.  What about them in particular?
[23:43] <meLon> The drive is mounted, but becomes idle
[23:44] <erica_> I've installed 12.10 today on my inspiron 15 (1545) laptop, it seems a bit slow, when I check syslog I can see that mtp-probe is continually trying and failing to mount /dev/sdb which I think is a card reader that I do not care about, I cannot disable mtp-probe, can anyone tell me how?
[23:44] <qin> meLon: while [ 1 ]; do touch /media/usbdrive/nosleep; sleep 10; done
[23:45] <Iceman_B> does running fsck.ext4 with the -c option save the bad blocks data to the hdd itself?
[23:45] <Iceman_B> if not ,where does it store that info?
[23:45] <brotherBox> Hi people. Does anyone know how to get logkeys, the keylogger, running under Ubuntu 13.04? It is for a legit purpose of recording myself entering passwords.  I have it on another machine over ssh and can only enter one password at a time. I must have made a mistake while entering it
[23:48] <Siecje> why do I have .txt~ files?
[23:48] <brotherBox> So I apply one of the techiques explained here https://live.gnome.org/DejaDup/Help/Restore/WorstCase to get one of the archives onto my computer and decrypted etc
[23:48] <brotherBox> Siecje, backup
[23:48] <zykotick9> Siecje: backup file from vi?
[23:48] <brotherBox> But when I have entered my password, I dont know what "mistake" I made that got it right. Any help how to record my keystrokes?
[23:48] <Siecje> I use gedit
[23:48] <brotherBox> That does it too
[23:49] <qin> Siecje: backup from gedit
[23:49] <Siecje> but they are tiny?
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> I think you can prevent the backing up
[23:51] <jpmh> when I look at "connection information" it tells me my primary, secondary and tertiary DNS is <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> - how do I see this info at the command line
[23:51] <jpmh> resolv.conf is NOT the answer, it just shows the primary
[23:52] <juniour> hi
[23:52] <betrayd> well resolv.conf isnt really a command
[23:52] <rypervenche> jpmh: But that is the answer. You may be using a different network manager that uses some other file, I don't know what your setup is though.
[23:53] <whizndr-> hey everyone...i installed ubuntu along my windows 8 that came preloaded...grub couldnt load Win8 so i ran boot repair then it works...but when i tried to reboot back to ubuntu it see,s like Win8 wiped out grub...any ideas why?
[23:53] <betrayd> Win8 doesn't know about linux, jack about grub
[23:54] <whizndr-> i get that...but i didnt do anything to make it overwrite the bootloader
[23:54] <n0yd> whizndr-, are you using UEFI?
[23:55] <whizndr-> n0yd: i think so...it is a brand new sony vaio
[23:55] <n0yd> ya thats probably the issue
[23:55] <dr_willis> so the system booted normally into linux, untill you booted into windows8 then windows 8 aparently automatically removed grub?
[23:55] <n0yd> when you are booting windows its rewriting the bootloader, because of the secure boot or something
[23:55] <whizndr-> yes dr_willis...
[23:56] <n0yd> I know uefi does weird stuff when windows is installed to a secure uefi
[23:56] <dr_willis> might want to ask in #windows how to disable that
[23:56] <whizndr-> n0yd, is there a fix? :/
[23:56] <jpmh> rypervenche: the problem with resolv.conf is that it is showing only the first, somehow the nm-applet knows of the seond and third, how does it do it?
[23:56] <n0yd> Can you go into the BIOS and set it to legacy mode?
[23:56] <whizndr-> secure boot is disabled...
[23:56] <n0yd> Ok, but was windows installed before the secure boot was disabled?
[23:56] <dr_willis> could be some anti-virus app on windows
[23:57] <n0yd> Ive seen all sorts of quirks with UEFI and the weird things windows will do
[23:57] <n0yd> And this was one of em
[23:58] <whizndr-> dang it lol
[23:58] <n0yd> You are probably gonna have to reinstall windows with the secure boot disabled, also dont install windows by usb
[23:58] <whizndr-> what advantage would uefi give me?
[23:58] <n0yd> When you install windows 8 by usb on UEFI it automatically makes it act weird
[23:59] <n0yd> I forget the exact issue, but you should install via dvd
[23:59] <n0yd> whizndr-, not much, obviously the secure bootloader crap.... oh and being "windows 8 certified"
[23:59] <whizndr-> lol
[23:59] <n0yd> All windows 8 certfied pcs come with uefi unfortunately
[23:59] <whizndr-> i have to backup my music then lol


[01:32] <nolan> I added the kernel PPA to my sources, but there doesn't seem to be any kernel available from it.  Is that PPA stale?
[04:12] <strix> apologies if this is OT, but: how do I rebuild a kernel as distributed by ubuntu? (more accurately, that generates the same uname -r )?
[04:12] <strix> and is there any difference between getting sources with 'aptitude install source kernel-image' and 'aptitude install kernel-source'?
[04:13] <strix> otherwise, i've found the docs that describe how to build with fakeroot make-kpkg etc
[08:48] <Kano> hi, anybody awake?
[08:52] <Kano> when can i expect that dvb will be readded to 2.6.26?
[13:40] <Kano> hi rtg
[13:41] <Kano> some problems with new kernel
[13:41] <rtg> Kano: do tell.
[13:41] <Kano> first of all you disabled dvb
[13:42] <Kano> also you have lots of new alsa drivers  - at least one of it does interfere with my dvb cards
[13:42] <Kano> you can a) disable it or b) blacklist it, but you can not leave it as is
[13:42] <rtg> Kano: which kernel are we talking about? Intrepid?
[13:42] <Kano> yes
[13:43] <Kano> CONFIG_SND_AW2=m
[13:43] <Kano> disable or
[13:43] <rtg> Kano: you'll have to talk to Ben. I'm still working on Hardy
[13:43] <Kano> blacklist snd-aw2
[13:43] <Kano> but i saw your commit when you disabled v4l, then somebody partly enabled v4l and forgot to enable dvb
[13:44] <Kano> UBUNTU: Disable V4L until the build issues get ironed out. Ignore: yes
[13:44] <Kano> your commit
[13:44] <Kano> and the result was that it was forgotten to reenable
[13:45] <Kano> # CONFIG_DVB_CORE is not set
[13:45] <rtg> Kano: perhaps, but it was awhile ago. How about a synopsis of your comments in an email to the kernel team mailing list?
[13:45] <Kano> next thing is: do you really need to enable xen for default kernel
[13:46] <Kano> i see currently no working patch for nvidia 173.xx which would allow the use of it
[13:46] <Kano> without xen you can compile 173.x
[13:47] <Kano> i modded the kernel config on the fly, i enabled highmem64gb -> pae enabled + disabled xen
[13:47] <Kano> then at least nvidia works
[13:48] <Kano> pae i enabled because mem is relatively cheap and lots of users have 4gb and more
[13:48] <Kano> but that change is optional
[13:48] <Kano> also do you drop the way with the lum package? as you added now dmraid4-5 directly?
[13:49] <Kano> if you would rename the module to dmraid45 it would be even better
[13:49] <rtg> Kano: did you miss the part about email to the kernel team mailing list? You are wasting your time with me. I'm _not_ working on Intrepid.
[13:49] <Kano> why do you commit changes then?
[13:50] <Kano> the dmraid rename could be done in lum too
[13:50] <Kano> i think there was a modded version already, dont know where however
[13:53] <Kano> rtg: could you give me adress where to send mail?
[13:54] <rtg> kano<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:54] <Kano> ok
[14:03] <Kano> so mail sent
[14:09] <Kano> hmm forgot one thing, well the rename of dmraid4-5 but maybe talk about that with the one who did the hotfix, dont remember who it waas
[14:52] <BenC> Good morning everyone
[14:55] <rtg> BenC: Kano has some suggestions for you on the kernel team mailing list.
[15:00] <BenC> rtg: We need to talk about the 4G vs. 64G issue
[15:00] <BenC> there's a good reason I disabled it (it prevents other things from working)
[15:00] <rtg> BenC: not only that, but it causes performce issue, doesn't it?
[15:01] <BenC> yeah
[15:01] <BenC> lots of overhead for the few people that use want > 4G + 32-bit kernel
[15:01] <BenC> I'm of the opinion we take a strong stance for this people to use 64-bit kernel
[15:02]  * BenC needs coffee
[15:02] <rtg> BenC: is there any reason for them not to use the 64 bit kernel?
[15:02] <BenC> just woke up, been sick since I got back from london
[15:02] <rtg> bummer.
[15:02] <BenC> rtg: I'm using it, and I have found no problems
[15:02] <BenC> in fact, I would say it's a little snappier than 32-bit on the same machine
[15:03] <rtg> yeah, I have both 32 and 64 on the same platforms with no noticeable differences, but that entirely subjective.
[15:04] <mjg59> 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland breaks various things
[15:04] <BenC> mjg59: We don't want to give them 32-bit userland :)
[15:04] <mjg59> Yeah, if you can push them entirely to 64-bit then that works better
[15:04] <BenC> but if they need 32-bit userland for some legacy/proprietary reason, it can work
[15:05] <BenC> e.g. adobe-flash player, or some codecs
[15:05] <rtg> all that stuff seems to work fine for me.
[15:05] <rtg> granted, i'm not an intensive user of flash et al.
[15:07] <cjwatson> was it intentional that the ide-modules udeb has been dropped in the 2.6.26 packages?
[15:08] <cjwatson> also, is linux-ubuntu-modules likely to arrive soon for 2.6.26? I'd like to start building d-i against .26
[15:08] <rtg> cjlum has been folded back into the kernel package.
[15:08] <rtg> cjwatson: ^^
[15:09] <maks_> cjwatson: from watching BenC is making a big monolithic exploding package
[15:09] <rtg> maks_: perhaps, but it solves some ABI skew issues
[15:09] <cjwatson> rtg: in that case, there seems to be no ubuntu-modules udeb now
[15:09] <cjwatson> so that has intentionally gone away, I guess?
[15:09] <cjwatson> I suppose that makes sense actually
[15:09] <maks_> rtg: i had a post for you last day
[15:10] <rtg> cjwatson: dunno. BenC has been working hard on it this last week or so.
[15:10] <maks_> hmm no longer in backlog
[15:10] <rtg> maks_: you mean the patches sent to akpm?
[15:11] <maks_> irclogs/OPN/#ubuntu-kernel.2008-06-13.log:13:41 <maks_> rtg f448b9a70cda0ed9878d
[15:11] <maks_> b485de30363f9c9db6e1 is a dup
[15:11] <maks_> 13:41 <maks_> you'll find the same entry below in blacklist with proper desc
[15:12] <maks_> 13:47 <maks_>  speaking of ubuntu hardy tree, as you might have guessed ;)
[15:12] <BenC> we only had 64G enabled on i386 server anyway
[15:12] <BenC> in which case, I even more strongly suggest people go 64-bit
[15:14] <cjwatson> hmm. 2.6.26-1 d-i boots but without keyboard input
[15:14] <BenC> 64G disables DMA_ENGINE, which server people would be pissed at
[15:14] <BenC> cjwatson: hmm...USB keyboard?
[15:14] <cjwatson> BenC: kvm
[15:15] <rtg> maks_: I cannot figure out what you're talking about? perhaps a bit more context. my memory seems bit porous this morning.
[15:15] <BenC> cjwatson: so atkbd...that should be all good
[15:15] <cjwatson> atkbd doesn't seem to be modular, so shouldn't be a udeb issue
[15:15] <BenC> rtg: ur not supposed to have rum in your coffee on weekdays
[15:16] <rtg> BenC: I know you've you've told me that before, but I just keep forgetting.
[15:16] <BenC> cjwatson: right...anyway to test 2.6.26-1 under kvm (not d-i)?
[15:16] <cjwatson> err. you're the kernel specialist ;-)
[15:17] <BenC> hehe
[15:17] <cjwatson> I can give you the d-i .iso I have if that would help
[15:17] <BenC> cjwatson: I was hoping you had an existing rig...requires setup for me
[15:17] <BenC> cjwatson: yeah, that would be a good start, thanks
[15:17] <cjwatson> I'm just running 'kvm -cdrom dest/netboot/mini.iso -boot d'
[15:17] <BenC> cjwatson: what's the status on alpha-1?
[15:17] <maks_> rtg: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1712ff3d8002a5070dd13c8fb6d7b77c9bd2516;hp=f448b9a70cda0ed9878db485de30363f9c9db6e1
[15:18] <cjwatson> dunno if you'll be able to do much without keyboard input though ...
[15:18] <BenC> cjwatson: is this holding it up?
[15:18] <maks_> that adds a dup entry rtg
[15:18] <maks_> just look at current drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.c
[15:18] <cjwatson> BenC: critical path = me, but I could release with 2.6.24 if need be - would rather not if possible
[15:18] <rtg> maks_: now I understand.
[15:18] <cjwatson> this isn't the only thing holding it up, but getting the installer out of the way is definitely on the list
[15:19] <maks_> rtg: sorry for mixing hardy and intrepid
[15:19] <maks_> you release to often :P
[15:19] <BenC> cjwatson: we are still missing a few bits for 2.6.26 to be good on livecd...(firmware in lrm-common, etc, linux-meta)
[15:19] <rtg> maks_: many folks think thats an advantage :) release frequently and often.
[15:20] <BenC> maks_: yeah, my debian background really made it hard for me to get used to frequent releases too :)
[15:20] <cjwatson> BenC: just to give us an idea, how far off are these?
[15:21] <cjwatson> I wouldn't necessarily mind releasing with 2.6.26 just for the installer on alternate/server CDs; it can usually cope with installing a different kernel version
[15:21] <cjwatson> though the effects can sometimes be a little weird so that's not entirely desirable
[15:21] <cjwatson> but I figure the more early kernel testing the better
[15:21] <cjwatson> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/mini.iso
[15:21] <BenC> cjwatson: I can get lrm together today
[15:22] <BenC> linux-meta is ready, just needs upload
[15:22] <cjwatson> BenC: it's a stock kernel and you can unpack and repack the initrd if need be; udebs are irrelevant for this particular purpose
[15:22] <cjwatson> the initramfs is built with 'find . | cpio --quiet -o -H newc | gzip -9c'
[15:22] <BenC> cjwatson: thanks, downloading
[15:23] <rtg> maks_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=b8e6e9b08265826ec89bf97f30bb10db78cf9663
[15:24] <BenC> cjwatson: done
[15:25] <maks_> rtg: thanks makes it easier to watch out for patches on your next rebase :)
[15:25] <rtg> maks_: yep - thanks for the note.
[15:25] <cjwatson> bizarrely, if I boot without 'quiet', it hangs, but if I boot with 'quiet', it gets as far as the first screen of d-i
[15:26] <rtg> maks_: I'm always happy to dump SAUCE patches.
[15:26] <cjwatson> (last thing on the screen is "Freeing unused kernel memory)
[15:26] <cjwatson> "
[15:27] <cjwatson> oh, and if I use BOOT_DEBUG=3 then I have keyboard input
[15:27] <cjwatson> maybe it's a d-i problem after all ...
[15:29] <cjwatson> keyboard input only for a while, though, then it hangs. This feels like a lockup more than lack of keyboard input, actually
[15:29] <cjwatson> it's unreliable, but on one boot I got "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 184s! [events/0:6]"
[15:30] <BenC> cjwatson: ah, sounds more like a hang than lack of keyboard to me too
[15:30] <cjwatson> anything I can pass on the kernel command line to make it spit out lots and lots of output or something?
[15:31] <BenC> cjwatson: try with -nokvm(?)
[15:31] <cjwatson> so just qemu basically?
[15:31] <BenC> So as to exclude it being an lguest/kvm interaction
[15:31] <BenC> yeah
[15:31] <cjwatson> Ubuntu does not support running KVM without hardware acceleration. Sorry.
[15:31] <BenC> I have the iso now, so I'll start checking it out
[15:31] <cjwatson> I think I need to run qemu explicitly
[15:33] <cjwatson> BenC: yes, it seems much happier with qemu
[15:34] <cjwatson> I've got far enough to run into the bits I left out of the installer to make it buildable
[15:42] <BenC> cjwatson: There's also noreplace-paravirt kernel param that might make it work under kvm (but without paravirt)
[15:44] <cjwatson> BenC: still hangs after a short while
[15:45] <cjwatson> (qemu's faster in that case anyway, I think :-) )
[15:50] <BenC> cking: Can you add a BOM file for ubuntu/dm-loop/ please?
[15:50] <BenC> cking: there's one in the other directories if you need a template
[15:51] <cking> BenC: Will do.
[15:51] <BenC> thanks
[15:53] <BenC> cjwatson: they should pimp that as a feature :)
[15:54] <BenC> cking: And please install the git hooks from build scripts :)
[15:54] <BenC> cking: config changes should be a separate commit from the code
[15:54] <BenC> just to make it easier to separate things out, and do reverts independent of each other
[15:55] <cking> BenC: OK apologies for no understanding that. Will do in future.
[15:56] <BenC> cking: I'm not sure it's documented, so not your fault
[15:57] <cking> BenC: call it organic documentation
[15:57] <cking> ..its in someone's head
[15:57] <cjwatson> BenC: I think it's a bit of both actually. It's slower at device detection but faster at screen refreshes
[16:06] <BenC> cjwatson: you should be good enough with d-i not to need a head to do the install :)
[16:59] <asac> rtg_: iwl4965 from your PPA works great so far (scan_capa > 0 \o/)
[16:59] <rtg_> asac: you get the one from this morning? Its based on 2.6.26-rc6
[17:00] <asac> rtg_: err ;) ... not sure. i just added your hardy PPA and upgraded
[17:00] <BenC> Checking ABI for generic...check FAILED (nice one Tonto, go get the Lone Ranger)
[17:00]  * BenC marks intrepid for an ABI bump
[17:01] <asac> at least i hae scan_capa now and NM 0.7 without workarounds connects quick
[17:02] <rtg_> asac: great. its the absolute bleeding edge wireless support.
[17:03] <asac> rtg_: is there anything we can do for hardy?
[17:03] <asac> i think the workarounds that more or less works well for iwl4965 dont help that good for iwl39xx
[17:03] <asac> at least i saw ken not being able to connect at all at UDS ;)
[17:04] <rtg_> asac: I'm confused. the LBM package you are loading _is_ for hardy.
[17:04] <asac> rtg_: yeah it is. buts its from PPA :)
[17:04] <rtg_> asac: oh, I see. I'm waiting to upload until after the point release.
[17:04] <asac> rtg_: or is that ment to go to -proposed at some point?
[17:05] <rtg_> asac: it is, but Steve asked that I wait until the point release CDs are pressed.
[17:06] <asac> kk
[17:09] <asac> rtg_: but lum wont see a fix for scan_capa right?
[17:10] <asac> which is still the default i guess
[17:12] <rtg_> asac: yes, I can probably get that done. I think there is an LP report open on it, right?
[17:12] <asac> rtg_: about missing scan_capa? i think so ... unless it was closed by accident ;)
[17:14] <asac> rtg_: we can use bug 200950
[17:14] <asac> probably should be reopened for  backport-modules
[17:14] <asac> too
[17:14] <rtg_> asac: perhaps it never made it on ogasawara's list? In that case I might not have seen it recently.
[17:15] <asac> rtg_: you closed that bug with: "* iwlwifi: Update to iwlwifi-1.2.25 and mac80211-10.0.4 - LP: #200950
[17:16] <rtg_> asac: ok, I'll review it and try to figure out what happened. In the meantime I've gotta fix some CVE FTBSs for kees
[17:17] <asac> rtg_: sure. ill reopen it for lbm and add lum to that bug
[17:18] <rtg_> asac: k
[17:18] <asac> and bump severity to medium (high?) and set it to triaged
[17:18] <asac> ;)
[17:30] <asac> rtg_: resume works well with your packages
[17:31] <asac> only thing is that iwl4965 still has its own will in associating to some AP i never connected before after resume
[17:31] <asac> (thats with NM 0.7 - aka without hacks and workarounds)
[17:32] <rtg_> asac: I've never had prblems with that, but I'm using NM straight from the Hardy archive.
[17:33] <asac> rtg_: yeah. that one has several hacks. i hope i can upload NM 0.7 to PPA in the next days
[19:59] <Kano> http://rafb.net/p/U71w8c27.html
[19:59] <Kano> thats the problem with xen + latest nvidia
[20:00] <Kano> lastest git code
[20:56] <Kano> BenC: dont forget module-init-tools
[20:56] <Kano> and the modules abi bump
[20:57] <Kano> so ne module-init-tools in d-u
[21:06] <BenC> another hit and run
[21:06] <BenC> and I've no idea what most of that meant
[21:08] <BenC> and that doesn't look like a xen+nvidia bug...looks more like a paravirt+nvidia bug
[21:11] <munckfish> BenC: Hi, could I pester you about that zinc account?
[21:17] <munckfish> BenC: I'm concerned that the main Ubuntu linux source is getting so far ahead of the linux-port that we'll have a problem catching up.
[21:18] <munckfish> I really need somewhere to upload a tree to so I can get some feedback on the changes I'm making. If zinc isn't the best place for that just now, just say and I'll look at alternative GIT hosting.
[21:18] <BenC> munckfish: linux-ports is 2.6.25 based
[21:18] <BenC> munckfish: there is no skew
[21:18] <munckfish> BenC: did you update it quite recently then?
[21:18] <BenC> munckfish: update what?
[21:18] <munckfish> I last touched it on Friday night
[21:19] <munckfish> oops sorry misread
[21:19] <munckfish> now I mean you're moving on to 2.6.26 now
[21:19] <munckfish> that's what you're targeting for Intrepid right?
[21:19] <BenC> i386 and amd64 are going to be 2.6.26
[21:19] <BenC> I was leaving linux-ports at 2.6.25
[21:20] <munckfish> Ok, I just thought we would try to sync as close to i386/amd64 as poss
[21:20] <BenC> but that's entirely up to who ever wants to maintain it...I can't see the need for 2.6.26, but it's someone elses effort, not mine...just remember it affects 4 architectures + the -386 flavour :)
[21:22] <munckfish> BenC: ok
[21:23] <BenC> munckfish: I'll get your request processed...note, I don't do it myself, I just process them through our IS team
[21:23] <munckfish> ok that's fine I just wanted to know the score really
[21:32] <BenC> score is You - 1, Me - 0 :)
[21:33] <BenC> balls in my court, I'll get it taken care of
[21:52] <lamont> "Q: what is the command for ejecting a DVD from the drive after a drive error? A: /sbin/reboot"
[21:52]  * lamont would love to help fix that
[22:11] <munckfish> BenC: hang on, i386, what's that in ports for? Is that just so we can build on x86 to test?
[22:11] <mjg59> munckfish: i386 rather tha -generic
[22:12] <mjg59> -generic x86 is still mainline
[22:14] <BenC> munckfish: it's the old -386 flavour from mainline
[22:14] <BenC> it's not needed for primary use, so we stuck it in ports
[22:14] <BenC> linux-ports may become the place for things like binary-custom flavours (rt/xen/openvz)
[22:15] <BenC> which is why it needs to be handled with care, and not just have tons of patches dumped into it
[22:20] <munckfish> BenC, mjg59: ok so I take it -generic is more like i486+ (or is that stupid)?
[22:34] <munckfish> ok so I'll take it that's correct :)
[22:39] <munckfish> BenC: I have a very simple patch which allows me to cross build the powerpc64-smp kernel on x86.
[22:39] <munckfish> Just allows setting of the CROSS_COMPILE variable so it can be passed to the kernel makefile
[22:40] <munckfish> that plus running eval `dpkg-architecture -apowerpc -s` is all that was needed
[22:41] <munckfish> are there likely to be any objections to including that in the packing scripts on linux-ports?
[22:41] <munckfish> Surely it would be useful for the other arches too?
[22:41] <munckfish> BenC: over
[22:47] <BenC> munckfish: definitely...sounds like a good addition
[22:48] <munckfish> BenC: cool
[23:09] <munckfish> I have a script I wrote to intelligently compare/diff two kernel configs. Is that something that other folks would find useful? If so I'll mail it in.
[23:10] <munckfish> However, I note most of the script the kernel team use are in Perl. My script is in Python, would that be a problem?
[23:20] <munckfish> For anyone who may be interested I've just written in a PS3 project status update email. Includes progress on the kernel.
[23:20] <munckfish> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-cell/2008-June/000122.html
[23:21] <munckfish> That's my day over. Bye all.
[23:37] <BenC> whoop
[23:37] <BenC> lrm for intrepid is done
[23:37] <BenC> pushed, and ready to upload
[23:37] <Nafallo> ooh. does it include support for that eeepc wireless thingie? :-)
[23:38] <Nafallo> cause in that case, it's time to dist-upgrade soon ;-)
[23:41] <BenC> is that a madwifi svn thing?
[23:41] <Nafallo> yea. that weird chipset that needs a new hal or something like that.
[23:42] <BenC> then no :)
[23:42] <BenC> same as the madwifi that's in hardy
[23:42] <Nafallo> I'm stuck on gutsy then :-P
[23:42] <BenC> Nafallo: I'd be willing to introduce an eeepc only madwifi that has just the PCI id's needed
[23:43] <Nafallo> if you do, I would be happy to test it :-)


[00:24] <FernandoMiguel> nite
[04:41] <cyphase> lol, back to rhythmbox
[12:09] <BluesKaj> hi all
[12:38] <`-`> #ubuntu ops are nazi fags. please remember to use your brain not that other bit of the anatomy the #ubuntu team appears to think is best.
[14:03] <brendand> i updated my system to Precise and now when I try to view a bug page in launchpad Firefox crashes. If I turn Javascript off I can avoid the crashing
[16:01] <Chipaca> augh! just updated to P, and getting flooded by DMAR messages in syslog
[16:03] <x0r> does anyone know how to make an application listen on tcp ports, instead of tcp6
[16:03] <x0r> my vnc server just atrted to listen on tcp6, and I do not what i did that made it change
[16:14] <BluesKaj> x0r, which apps? ..some routers allow apps to open designated ports on tcp and udp
[16:17] <x0r> I have two server
[16:17] <x0r> servers
[16:17] <x0r> both the same hardware
[16:17] <x0r> one in a remote location shared by a few users
[16:17] <x0r> one at my home for develeopment debug
[16:18] <x0r> as fas as i know both of them are the same
[16:18] <x0r> yet one runs vnc lstens on tcp, the other server listens on tcp6
[16:18] <patdk-wk> x0r, that has to do with two things
[16:19] <patdk-wk> how you configured sysctl, and how you configured the app
[16:19] <x0r> I want to to either force tcp, turn off tcp6, or ultimatly figure what changed
[16:19] <patdk-wk> your running precise on both of them?
[16:19] <x0r> as far as I know
[16:19] <x0r> uname -a show the same thing
[16:19] <patdk-wk> what does it show?
[16:20] <x0r> http://snapplr.com/kz0w
[16:21] <patdk-wk> that is defently not precise
[16:21] <patdk-wk> you probably want #ubuntu
[16:22] <x0r> so this is not the channle for 11.10
[16:22] <x0r> sorry
[16:22] <patdk-wk> this is for 12.04
[16:22] <x0r> lol
[16:22] <x0r> okay
[16:22] <x0r> I'll move on
[16:23] <patdk-wk> normally though, listening on ipv6 works for both ipv4 and ipv6, unless you disabled that yourself
[16:23] <x0r> in theory
[16:23] <patdk-wk> na, it works fine
[16:23] <x0r> also in theory these two boxes should be pretty much the same
[16:24] <patdk-wk> unless the application makes assumptions and can't handle ipv6 ip's
[16:24] <x0r> yet one listens on tcp6 the other listens on tcp 4 only
[16:24] <patdk-wk> something on your two box's are the same
[16:24] <patdk-wk> either the sysctl that controls that
[16:24] <x0r> no one can connect to vnc sessions on the system where the listen port is tcp6
[16:24] <patdk-wk> or how you configured the program
[16:24] <x0r> I just instaled it
[16:24] <x0r> sudo apt-get
[16:25] <patdk-wk> heh? why does that matter?
[16:25] <x0r> just as that is all I did, nit as in 10 mnintes ago
[16:25] <x0r> it has been running filen for weeks
[16:25] <x0r> I did not configure anything
[16:26] <x0r> took defaults
[16:26] <x0r> puzzler
[18:59] <sskalnik> Is the 'admin' group totally deprecated in Precise?
[18:59] <sskalnik> Noticed there is only 'sudo' in 12.04 server
[20:14] <iceroot> hm, admin-group was only for sudo-access?
[20:35] <sskalnik> iceroot, I cannot say with certainty
[21:29] <johnjohn101> saw lots of issues with vmware player..   is it even worth looking at now or just wait until feb/march?
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> friends
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> anyone recall the CIFS bug that wouldn't umount on powerdown ?
[22:23] <FernandoMiguel> I though it was fixed in 11.04 but I'm still being terribly hit by it


[01:18] <HowdyDoody> Night
[01:19] <HowdyDoody> Hey anyone out there right now ?
[02:45] <MutantTurkey> HowdyDoody: I am
[02:45] <MutantTurkey> not that it's worth much
[02:59] <HowdyDoody> I suppose not
[10:32] <rmg51> Happy Bah Humbug Eve Morning ;-)
[10:44] <JonathanD> Morning.
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[13:06] <teddy-dbear> last chance to get me some great Xmas gifts :-D
[13:22]  * waltman heads out for nuts and berries
[13:30] <teddy-dbear> waltman: don't forget the chocolate :-[
[13:32] <waltman> chocolate-covered nuts and berries, of course!
[13:53] <teddy-dbear> works for me
[22:55] <HowdyDoody> evening, waltman, teddddybear, rmg51, JonathanD, and anyone else who I paying attention.
[22:55] <HowdyDoody> Merry Christmas to all the above.
[22:59] <JonathanD> Hello there.
[23:28] <rmg51> since when are there 4 d's in teddy?


[08:17] <trijntje> ping dpm: I noticed that around 100 new strings landed today, is the deadline for all translations still today?
[08:42] <dpm> hi trijntje, what strings were they? For which package?
[08:43] <trijntje> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+lang/nl?batch=174
[08:43] <trijntje> the packages that are untranslated, except for app-install-data and pulseaudio
[08:54] <dpm> trijntje, not sure where they came from, but at least they shouldn't be too visible. If they don't make it to the final langpack, we'll put them in the next one
[08:58] <trijntje> dpm: I'll send an email to the list so people know there are some new strings. Do you happen to know the exact time the translations will be exported from launchpad for the last time?
[09:03] <trijntje> or the approximate time, like morning/afternoon ;)
[09:37] <Gwaihir> the new strings (at least the unity scopes one), are from POT files that were stuck in the queue, probably also the other ones, cleaning up a little bit it yesterday might have quicken it up
[14:24] <Mirv> yeah thanks to Milo. there's no harm done in kicking the queue at least, and there'll be point releases and langpacks later on.
[14:25] <Mirv> my biggest confusion is that I never know whether "Needs Review" means "it's stuck" or "it's being automatically handled in around 24h"
[14:25] <Mirv> since I botched up my app-install-data upload, I needed to reupload that PO file and now it's again "Needs Review"
[14:45] <trijntje> Mirv: needs review should end automagically, at least it did for my orca upload
[14:51] <Gwaihir> Mirv, you also have to check what it says underneath the file link in the queue, like "the target" and where it will be imported, if there is nothing there, manual intervention might be needed
[14:55] <Mirv> thanks. indeed it did again now for mine. it'd be nice if there'd be another status for "needs manual intervention" though and for these that will automatically get handled
[14:56] <Gwaihir> Mirv, I nudged it ;-)
[14:57] <Mirv> Gwaihir: oh! what did the nudging involve in practice, ie. what kind of actions there are available for coordinators?
[14:58] <Gwaihir> Mirv, I can approve a file, it speeds up the process of importing it
[14:58] <Gwaihir> other than that, if there is not "target", we can set the target, but we need to be sure about that, or we end up screwing things
[14:59] <Mirv> ok. thanks, then! :)
[14:59] <Mirv> heh, I didn't find this page yesterday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTranslationsCoordinators/Actions/ImportQueueManagement


[00:24] <arand> It would be nice to have a !pae factoid.
[00:34] <erUSUL> arand: /msg ubottu pae is <reply>Your text goes here
[15:44] <ebel> #ubuntu-ie, the irc channel for the Ubuntu Irish Team has lost it's ubot*
[15:47] <jussi01> ebel: as I mentioned, you need to ping jpds to grab ubot2.
[15:48] <ebel> jpds: can haz ubot2 pls?
[16:05] <jpds> ebel: Done.
[20:45] <Myrtti> goodnight everyone
[20:47] <erUSUL> god night
[20:47] <erUSUL> good night
[20:48]  * erUSUL atheist; freudian slip ?
[20:49] <jpds> erUSUL: I think you mean agnostic, my good fellow.
[20:49] <erUSUL> jpds: becouse ... ?
[20:49] <jpds> ;)
[20:49] <erUSUL> XD