[00:00] <skraito> we release this keylogger to the wild hope it help system admin
[00:00] <skraito> never use it for your desktop it crash the gui
[00:00] <skraito> only for server
[00:00] <skraito> thx sarnold
[00:01] <skraito> btw sarnold couple of month back i saw in ubuntu website the license is 300 buck
[00:01] <sarnold> skraito: probably the most useful thing for a hardening script would be /etc/adduser.conf setting DIR_MODE. Old-time Unix admins often wish the mode were 0750 or 0700.
[00:01] <skraito> but i cant find it anymore
[00:01] <skraito> anyway thank you just check back 0x71.org for couple of weeks i start coding it next two week
[00:02] <skraito> see ya guys have a great day
[00:04] <markthomas> Ah, okay.  So, Aison, now to your question:
[00:06] <markthomas> sarnold: are the init-bottom scripts stored in /etc/initramfs-tools?
[00:07] <sarnold> markthomas: I see a pile of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5624452/
[00:07] <sarnold> markthomas: (that's an apt-file search command)
[00:08] <markthomas> sarnold: let me rephrase:  my system has nothing in there at present, so I wasn't sure if they're kept there or if those dirs are for temporary storage only.
[00:09] <sarnold> markthomas: ah, good question, don't know that either :( my /etc/.../init-bottom/ is also empty
[00:09] <markthomas> Aison: Can you check your filesystem for init-bottom directories in /etc, or apparently in /usr/share, and see if you have any scripts laying around?  That's on the system we're troubleshooting.
[00:10] <sarnold> markthomas: I'd bet those are for local customizing, and the ones in /usr/share/... are also copied into the initramfs, just not expected to be modified for any reason
[00:11] <Aison> markthomas, ok
[00:11] <markthomas> sarnold: that's reasonable.  If Aison 's boot was hanging there, I was going to see if any packages had placed anything there that might be having trouble.  If we can find it and disable it, we can regenerate initramfs and boot, then fix the problem.
[00:12] <sarnold> markthomas: sounds like a good plan
[00:12] <markthomas> Only thing I have under /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom is related to udev.  And the splash screen (plymouth)
[00:13] <sarnold> markthomas: mine has udev and plymouth. as i understand plymouth, there's no _need_ for it. udev feels less likely to fail and more important...
[00:13] <markthomas> Yeah.  I'm not sure how we'll troubleshoot udev with no visibility into the failure.
[00:15] <markthomas> Aison: I'm going to branch off in pursuit of an undomesticated water foul: are you comfortable doing a pastebin of your /etc/fstab?
[00:15] <Aison> markthomas, the initbottom in etc is empty
[00:15] <markthomas> And don't worry if the joke doesn't translate.  Neither does "wild goose chase".
[00:15] <Aison> the one in usr have got plymouth and udev files
[00:15] <markthomas> Aison:  okay.  fstab?
[00:19] <Aison> markthomas, http://nopaste.info/667ecbce2c.html
[00:21] <markthomas> Were those nfs mounts commented out before?
[00:21] <Aison> markthomas, yes
[00:22] <Aison> that's the first i tried
[00:24] <Aison> somehow update-initramfs hangs
[00:24] <markthomas> Wait…update-initramfs hangs?
[00:24] <Aison> yes
[00:24] <Aison> just noticed that
[00:25] <markthomas> Are you running that chroot, or in your live environment?
[00:25] <Aison> I chroot
[00:26] <markthomas> Okay.  And you tried -vvv or some such?
[00:28] <Aison> just running with -vvv
[00:28] <Aison> well, it hangs at Building cpio /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-19-generic.new initramfs
[00:28] <markthomas> Okay.
[00:29] <markthomas> ...
[00:30] <Aison> what do I have to mount also before changeroot?
[00:30] <Aison> dev, proc, sys?
[00:31] <sarnold> /boot if that is a separate device
[00:31] <Aison> it's not
[00:31] <markthomas> I would mount those after chroot.   /boot, too
[00:31] <markthomas> That being said, I'm a bit stumped.
[00:34] <Aison> well, update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-19-generic
[00:34] <Aison> is not working
[00:34] <Aison> the file /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-19-generic.new is created
[00:34] <Aison> but it remains 0 in size
[00:35] <markthomas> Aison: thinking...
[00:37] <qman__> Aison, I didn't see what your parent command is, but if you chroot into an install and want to run update-grub, you have to enxure that you first mounted /proc, /sys, and /dev, and rm /etc/mtab
[00:37] <qman__> ensure*
[00:37] <sarnold> markthomas: a few ideas, full filesystem, can't read source files, incorrect calling of cpio _may_ expect input data via stdin?, ...
[00:38] <markthomas> sarnold: I think the last one is negative.  As for the others...
[00:38] <markthomas> sarnold: what's the easiest way to revert to an earlier kernel nowadays?
[00:38] <sarnold> markthomas: yeah, it seemed a longshot. but I've waited a long time for a 'grep' command waiting on stdin before... :)
[00:38] <markthomas> Once upon a time, all the old kernels hung around indefinitely.
[00:38] <markthomas> Good point.  Aison, can you rule out the full filesystem?
[00:39] <sarnold> markthomas: distro upgrade is an odd situation for that, of course. /lib/cache/apt/..something normally has old packages around that you can dpkg -i
[00:39] <qman__> /var/cache/apt/archives
[00:39] <sarnold> sigh
[00:39] <sarnold> thanks qman__ :)
[00:40] <qman__> but yeah, lots of things won't work in a chroot if you don't do those things I mentioned
[00:41] <Aison> markthomas, what do you mean? the fs looks fine here
[00:42] <markthomas> Aison: df -h shows <100%?
[00:42] <Aison> 13% :)
[00:44] <markthomas> Aison: while we're grasping at straws, can you unmount the filesystem and fsck it?  It's one thing that the system won't boot, but for it to fail when building the initramfs...
[00:44] <Aison> already done
[00:44] <markthomas> Like sarnold said, we have to look for why cpio might fail.
[00:45] <markthomas> Aison: nice.  And darn.
[00:46] <markthomas> thinking...
[00:46] <Aison> I also reinstalled cpio
[00:46] <sarnold> markthomas: I wonder what tools you've got to watch cpio try to work; fatrace might be nice if available, but I don't think it is on any disks.. vmstat 1 would show at least disk traffic.. strace shows everything, but might not be the easiest
[00:47] <markthomas> sarnold: ugh
[00:47] <markthomas> That's all.  Just...ugh
[00:48] <sarnold> markthomas: yes. ugh. :)
[00:48] <Aison> let me try strace
[01:00] <Aison> argh, im tired
[01:00] <Aison> trying it tomorrow :P
[01:00] <sarnold> good luck Aison
[01:00] <Aison> well, there is a solution somehow :P
[01:00] <markthomas> Aison:  Good luck.  My nick is registered, so send me a msg if I'm not around and let me know what happens.
[01:01] <Aison> sure
[01:07] <phunyguy> Hello, I hope I have a simple question here.  I run an ubuntu router with a few different subnets on a small home network.  Is it possible to do things like forward all multicast traffic out all LAN ports? I had to split up my network for stability reasons, but I still enjoy things like autodiscovery services (bonjour, etc) which afaik work over multicast.  Is something like this possible?
[01:11] <sarnold> phunyguy: the warning at the top isn't encouraging, but perhaps .. http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.multicast.html
[01:15] <phunyguy> sarnold: I did read something else about pimd, but the forum post was 9 years old so I wasn't too optimistic about that one.
[01:43] <phunyguy> another unrelated question, I keep seeing these in syslog: "kernel: [   87.187907] br0: received packet on eth1 with own address as source address"
[01:43] <phunyguy> eth1 is a member of br0
[01:44] <phunyguy> should I be worried?
[01:44] <lifeless> only if you don't expect that to be happening
[01:57] <qman__> it generally means something is set up wrong, but not necessarily
[02:08] <phunyguy> qman__: yeah I get that, and everything seems to work, I just don't like the message.
[02:08] <phunyguy> and I don't like it because I don't /really/ know what it means.
[02:10] <qman__> it means that packets are coming in on eth1 "from" eth1's IP address
[02:11] <qman__> which, depending on how things are wired, means that either you're reflecting your own outbound traffic back at yourself
[02:11] <qman__> or that you have an IP conflict
[02:11] <qman__> or that you're being spoofed
[02:14] <phunyguy> I was guessing mac, not IP.
[02:14] <phunyguy> and I found a common theme with google searching.... a wifi AP on that subnet.
[02:15] <phunyguy> I have a Linksys E1200 on that subnet with dd-wrt on it, with routing disabled, in a pure AP setup
[02:15] <qman__> generally if you have a MAC conflict the switch stops working correctly
[02:15] <qman__> and one end or the other can't get on the network at all
[02:15] <phunyguy> I am going to try something
[02:38] <phunyguy> also, not sure how I would be spoofed on eth1.. only a few things on my LAN currently, and it's not coming from WAN side.  xD
[03:55] <agu10^> hey. i want to upload files to my ubuntu server from windows
[03:55] <agu10^> fast and easy. what do you suggest?
[04:04] <dpb1> agu10^: sftp is the easiest for me.
[04:04] <agu10^> do you access root in your server?
[04:05] <agu10^> i would like to edit the filesystem and text config files from windows too
[04:05] <agu10^> like it was a network drive
[04:06] <dpb1> agu10^: I would usually enable root login for something like that.  But some security experts would frown on it, I'm sure.  all the more reason to use sftp. :)
[04:07] <agu10^> root login?
[04:07] <agu10^> how can i see the whole filesystem from windows?
[04:17] <dpb1> agu10^: 1) download filezilla 2) login with sftp (uses same transport as ssh).  If you want remote FS access as the super user?  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo, enable root logins, enable root ssh access, and use filezilla with the root user same as before
[04:18] <Cyrus> I think we would do more than frown at that.   Just know that it is a security vulnerabilty. (your root password)
[04:18] <Cyrus> I say that with love in my heart.
[04:20] <dpb1> <3
[04:21] <agu10^> i see
[04:21] <agu10^> thanks
[04:21] <agu10^> do i have to set up anything server-side to access my sftp from filezilla?
[04:22] <dpb1> agu10^: try it with your regular user.  It should just work.  sftp is just a "fancy" ssh connection.
[04:22] <agu10^> oh cool
[04:23] <agu10^> there is a problem. in filezilla i can't edit files without downloading and re-uploading
[04:23] <agu10^> i want to easily open files as if they were on a network drive
[04:24] <Cyrus> agu10^, what you're really asking for is 1.) Not a good idea.
[04:24] <Cyrus> 2.) A lot harder than you seem experienced to handle. (No offense.)
[04:24] <agu10^> why would it be hard?
[04:24] <agu10^> of course it's probably slow
[04:24] <agu10^> but it's only hard if there aren't good tools for it
[04:25] <Cyrus> Because what you really want is a system-wide samba server setup.
[04:25] <Cyrus> And there lie dragons.
[04:25] <agu10^> i don't think i want any of that :P
[04:25] <agu10^> just do this over ssh and it'll be fine
[04:26] <agu10^> just i don't want to DOWNLOAD, edit and then UPLOAD
[04:26] <Cyrus> Well, I know of solutions to psuedo-mount ssh as a local hard drive through fuse.
[04:26] <agu10^> i want to drag & drop files, and double click to open, edit, then save
[04:26] <Cyrus> sshfs and all that.
[04:26] <Cyrus> But for Windows? I have no idea. I doubt something like that exists.
[04:26] <agu10^> okay
[04:26] <agu10^> i give up
[04:26] <dpb1> yes, there are explorer extensions for that.
[04:27] <agu10^> for ssh?
[04:28] <agu10^> I cannot login using filezilla
[04:28] <Cyrus> Are you trying to log in as root?
[04:28] <agu10^> i thought i didn't have to setup anything server-side
[04:28] <dpb1> agu10^: you would need to get that working first.
[04:28] <agu10^> no. as my user which i use through ssh
[04:28] <Cyrus> Ah, then it should work.
[04:29] <agu10^> ... it doesn't :(
[04:29] <Cyrus> User error. :P
[04:29] <Cyrus> Are you sure filezilla is set to SFTP?
[04:29] <Cyrus> (Not FTP with SSL)
[04:30] <agu10^> i don't know. i just used quickconnect
[04:30] <Cyrus> Well you need to check, these things matter.
[04:30] <Cyrus> Filezilla is a multi-protocol client.
[04:31] <dpb1> agu10^: FYI, once you have mastered that, here is a more explorer-ish way to do things: http://www.swish-sftp.org/  -- but get filezilla working first. It's a good tool to master.
[04:33] <agu10^> Error:	Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey)
[04:33] <agu10^> Error:	Could not connect to server
[04:33] <agu10^> how can i login using only my password instead of a key?
[04:34] <dpb1> agu10^: how do you normally connect to this server?
[04:34] <agu10^> using a public key, with putty
[04:34] <Cyrus> I see.
[04:34] <agu10^> but i just want to use my password instead
[04:35] <Cyrus> Then you have to change your authentication settings in your sshd on the server.
[04:35] <Cyrus> Or
[04:35] <Cyrus> Alternatively..
[04:35] <Cyrus> Use WinSCP instead of Filezilla.
[04:35] <Cyrus> WinSCP can interface with putty's public key thing. It's been so long since I used Windows, so I don't remember the specifics.
[04:35] <agu10^> just how do i change auth on my server?
[04:35] <agu10^> i don't like putty
[04:35] <Cyrus> You have to start editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:36] <agu10^> and i don't care about safety
[04:36]  * Cyrus backs away slowly and disappears into the night.
[04:36] <dpb1> agu10^: search that file for "Password"
[04:37] <agu10^> how do i search in vim?
[04:38] <dpb1> agu10^: /
[04:38] <dpb1>  /Password<enter>
[04:38] <agu10^> PasswordAuthentication no
[04:38] <agu10^>  ?
[04:38] <dpb1> yup, change to yes.  sudo service ssh restart
[04:39] <agu10^> okay great
[04:39] <agu10^> Command:	open<EMAIL_ADDRESS>22
[04:39] <agu10^> Command:	Pass: ***********
[04:39] <agu10^> Error:	Authentication failed.
[04:39] <agu10^> Error:	Critical error
[04:39] <agu10^> Error:	Could not connect to server
[04:40] <dpb1> agu10^: did you restart the ssh service?
[04:40] <agu10^> yes
[04:41] <dpb1> are you sure the user and password are correct? :)
[04:41] <agu10^> hmm not sure
[04:41] <agu10^> maybe there was no password actually
[04:41] <agu10^> should i make a new user?
[04:42] <dpb1> you can change the password when logged in as the ubuntu user
[04:43] <agu10^> how
[04:43] <dpb1> agu10^: sudo passwd ubuntu    <- that will change the password for the user ubuntu without prompting for the current one
[04:43] <agu10^> i don't know the current password
[04:43] <agu10^> i better create a new user i think
[04:44] <dpb1> sure, go for it.  no harm either way
[04:44] <dpb1> the new user will not have sudo access by default, but that is ok.
[04:44] <agu10^> useradd: user 'admin' already exists
[04:44] <agu10^> ubuntu@domU-12-31-39-10-4A-43:~$ users
[04:44] <agu10^> ubuntu
[04:44] <agu10^> i want to add the 'admin' user and give it root access. but idk why it exists and is not in the list of users
[04:46] <dpb1> agu10^: you used sudo?
[04:46] <agu10^> yes
[04:47] <agu10^> users only lists 'ubuntu'
[04:47] <agu10^> though useradd throws an error... wtf
[04:47] <dpb1> agu10^: try a different name, just to test
[04:47] <agu10^> useradd: cannot lock /etc/passwd; try again later.
[04:48] <agu10^> okay, sudo did it
[04:48] <agu10^> for the user 'pepe'
[04:48] <agu10^> it's still not listed with the 'users' command :(
[04:48] <dpb1> k.  even for him, you will need to change the password
[04:49] <agu10^> what? the user is not even listed
[04:49] <dpb1> agu10^: I *think* users just gives back logged in users (going off memory)
[04:49] <agu10^> ok
[04:49] <Cyrus>        users - print the user names of users currently logged in to the current host
[04:49] <agu10^> how do i list all users?
[04:50] <dpb1> agu10^: cat /etc/passwd is the first step.
[04:50] <agu10^> that is long
[04:50] <dpb1> good. :)
[04:50] <dpb1> cat /etc/passwd |grep pepe
[04:50] <agu10^> that's what she said
[04:51] <agu10^> okay i deleted pepe. how do i add root access to admin and change its password?
[04:52] <dpb1> agu10^: sudo passwd <user> will allow you to change passwords.
[04:53] <agu10^> great. :D
[04:53] <agu10^> should i give it root rights?
[04:54] <dpb1> agu10^: just to test your sftp, you shouldn't need to.
[04:55] <agu10^> wow it lists folders
[04:55] <dpb1> yes, you should be able to view most everything as a regular user in ubuntu.  changing things is typically restricted to just your home folder though.
[04:56] <agu10^> dpb1, cool. what if i want to access root files but with a password?
[04:58] <dpb1> agu10^: that is where you look at that SudoRoot link I gave you.  Basically do a similar process, but with the root user.  Read that page, it's a good one.  Toward the end is where it talks about how to enable the root user, and why you don't want to do that normally.
[04:58] <agu10^> okay, great.
[04:59] <agu10^> there is no way to get admin to be that root user?
[04:59] <dpb1> agu10^: yes, there are always options (which is why ubuntu is so great), let me give you a link.
[05:00] <agu10^> no, it's fine
[05:00] <agu10^> i rather login with the root user when i want to do that
[05:00] <agu10^> and keep the rest just in the admin folder
[05:01] <dpb1> agu10^: that is really the safest way to do things.
[05:01] <agu10^> i have a problem
[05:02] <agu10^> the uploaded files aren't accessible by apache :S
[05:02] <agu10^> i mean, index.html is, but the folders (js/css, etc) are not.
[05:02] <agu10^> so it looks like this: http://alvid.com.ar/
[05:03] <agu10^> without styles or images :(
[05:03] <dpb1> agu10^: do ls -l <directory>, and use paste.ubuntu.com to paste back the results.
[05:04] <agu10^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5624901/
[05:05] <dpb1> agu10^: so, best practice for files in that directory.  whenever you upload you want
[05:06] <sarnold> agu10^: yikes!
[05:06] <sarnold> agu10^: your index.html can be written to by anyone on the server
[05:06] <sarnold> agu10^: and your directories can only be read by 'admin' and by 'root'. apache runs as neither admin nor root. it cannot read your other files.
[05:07] <dpb1> what sarnold said. :)
[05:07] <agu10^> sarnold, great. how do i fix this? should i make index.html be admin's and apache able to read all?
[05:07] <sarnold> agu10^: first, chmod 644 index.html.
[05:07] <sarnold> don't let that live for any longer.
[05:08] <agu10^> ok
[05:08] <agu10^> should i do that with all folders in the website?
[05:08] <agu10^> i had to make it publically accessible because
[05:08] <agu10^> i modify index.html with a php script
[05:10] <agu10^> sarnold, how do i make my website work and only be modified by admin and php scripts?
[05:10] <sarnold> agu10^:
[05:11] <sarnold> sigh, lost internet for a while
[05:12] <sarnold> agu10^: are you -sure- you want your website to be modifyable by running php scripts? I've seen far too many people hacked and their website content modified to send viruses or worms to the website users..
[05:12] <agu10^> i made a php script that will modify my website
[05:12] <agu10^> so i can do it on a web panel interface
[05:12] <agu10^> so... i guess :P
[05:13] <agu10^> can i do it so only THAT php script can do it?
[05:13] <agu10^> and only some files
[05:14] <agu10^> hmm nevermind, i think i only have to let apache read my admin-created files
[05:14] <agu10^> and i leave the others public for my php script to modify freely
[05:15] <agu10^> sarnold, how do i let apache read my files?
[05:15] <dpb1> agu10^: so, your directories need "sudo chmod go+rx <dir>" run on them for starters
[05:15] <agu10^> what is that?
[05:16] <sarnold> agu10^: you've definitely got an odd situation there :) but something like chown -R admin *  followed by chmod 755 on all the directories and chmod 644 on all the files
[05:16] <agu10^> :S when i upload files they are owned by admin admin. how do i make those accessible by apache so they can be shown online?
[05:16] <agu10^> i don't think i need anything else than that for now
[05:18] <dpb1> give them the right permissions and it should stick when you upload replacements.  just try it.
[05:18] <agu10^> i don't want to upload replacements
[05:18] <agu10^> i may upload new files aswell
[05:18] <agu10^> i need to let apache read ALL new files i upload from filezilla
[05:21] <dpb1> there are three sets of permissions, user, group and other.  If you upload new files, you will need to make sure permissions are correct.  FYI, filezilla will let you set permissions. :)
[05:21] <agu10^> ok, which permissions should i set though?
[05:21] <agu10^> i'll set them on filezilla, but what exactly?
[05:22] <agu10^> it says the folder is 777!
[05:22] <agu10^> oh but the children were not
[05:22] <dpb1> user = rw, group = r, other = r is a good default.
[05:22] <dpb1> for a directory, the execute bit should be set, or the directory will not be browsable.
[05:24] <dpb1> This is a good page, FYI: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions
[05:24] <agu10^> dpb1, i just want apache to show the website
[05:24] <agu10^> dpb1, is apache "other" ?
[05:25] <sarnold> do not set your permissions to 666
[05:25] <sarnold> or 777
[05:25] <dpb1> agu10^: because your files are owned by admin and in the admin group, other is how apache will be reading them, yes.
[05:25] <sarnold> (stupid off-by-one fingers :)
[05:25] <agu10^> ok, should i set other = r and x on folders?
[05:25] <agu10^> or just r on folders?
[05:25] <sarnold> rx
[05:26] <agu10^> 771 or 77x ?
[05:26] <sarnold> directories are strange; 'r' lets you see contents, 'x' lets you 'traverse' the directory to see lower directories or open files
[05:26] <agu10^> ok
[05:26] <sarnold> 755 or 775, depending upon the situation, would be better, yes
[05:26] <agu10^> what does x do on files?
[05:27] <dpb1> agu10^: also, a more typical setup is to have the group 'www-data' on all your web files.  just fyi.
[05:27] <agu10^> what's the difference between 775 and 77x ?
[05:27] <sarnold> agu10^: the 'x' on files allows you to execute files
[05:27] <agu10^> i see
[05:27] <sarnold> agu10^: well, 77x doesn't actually exist :)
[05:27] <agu10^> oh it says that on filezilla
[05:27] <sarnold> o_O
[05:27] <sarnold> rather than 771?
[05:28] <agu10^> yes
[05:28]  * sarnold kicks silly filezilla
[05:28] <dpb1> hehe
[05:28] <agu10^> 774, if i check execute it's 775. if i check again it gets a different symbol and says 77x
[05:29] <sarnold> baffling :)
[05:29] <dpb1> ya, that has to be a bug.
[05:29] <agu10^> okay i set it to 775 then
[05:34] <agu10^> This works great! Thanks :D
[05:35] <agu10^> i'm now trying to set up a simple mail server. I need to get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email addresses. for many different domains. What is easy to set up for this? I installed citadel but it doesn't seem to be easy to handle this.
[05:37] <sarnold> agu10^: most people would use postfix or exim as first choices..
[05:37] <agu10^> okay
[05:38] <agu10^> how do i uninstall citadel though?
[05:38] <agu10^> i hate when i install lots of packages that never work... :(*
[05:43] <sarnold> agu10^: it'd be something along the lines of apt-get purge citadel*
[05:45] <agu10^> sarnold, thanks
[05:46] <sarnold> agu10^: check out the serverguide listed in the /topic, it has good details on setting up mail servers
[05:46] <sarnold> bed time :)
[05:46] <agu10^> byee
[05:48] <agu10^> I would like to install postfix to make<EMAIL_ADDRESS>emails and access them on gmail through imap or pop/smtp. do you think it can be easy to set up many many many<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email accounts?
[07:48] <ke7vyv> What would cause my NIC to connect at a slower speed then what the specs say?
[07:50] <ke7vyv> All other devices connect fine but one.
[08:01] <vedic> Hey guys, need advice. I am running 8 core xeon server with 8 GB RAM. I want to create 3 VMs on this to host different services. What software is good for that? I am familiar with VirtualBox and it has been working good for me on my desktop. I know how to setup VirtualBox from command line on a remote server. I would like to know from you if VirtualBox is suitable for medium load servers running 24x7 ? WHat is the best when it comes to create VPS on a physic
[08:03] <rbasak> libvirt+KVM works well for me.
[08:24] <ke7vyv> Could my OS be keeping my system from connecting to my lan at 1Gbps? The specs say 1 Gb.
[08:24] <Ben64> ke7vyv: probably not
[08:25] <ke7vyv> Ben64: Any ideas?
[08:25] <Ben64> check chipset to see if any problems exist?
[08:25] <Ben64> also, cabling and other devices are important to get the 1gbit link
[08:26] <ke7vyv> Ben64: I'm new to this stuff. How would I check the chipset?
[08:26] <Ben64> lspci | grep -i ethernet
[08:27] <ke7vyv> All other devices connect at 1gbit.
[08:29] <ke7vyv> Ben64: I'll give that a try.
[08:29] <ke7vyv> Thanks.
[08:30] <ke7vyv> Oh any ideas on why it would be 100mbit and not 1gbit like it should?
[08:31] <Ben64> well some chipsets don't play nicely with linux
[08:31] <ke7vyv> Ben64: I tried ethtool eth0 would that be the same?
[08:31] <ke7vyv> OK
[08:31] <rbasak> What does ethtool say?
[08:32] <ke7vyv> It says 100mbit
[08:32] <ke7vyv> That's all I can remember.
[08:32] <rbasak> It says a lot more than that, surely?
[08:33] <rbasak> It should tell you what the driver supports.
[08:33] <ke7vyv> I'm not near the machine to see what else
[08:34] <rbasak> You might want to fix that first.
[08:35] <ke7vyv> What being near it?
[08:36] <ke7vyv> I thought of that but figured I would get some things to try for when I am.
[08:38] <ke7vyv> Well I'll come back when I'm near it.
[09:28] <ke7vyv> rbasak, Ben64: lspci | grep -i ethernet 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 01)
[09:32] <rbasak> ke7vyv: please pastebin the ethtool output.
[09:32] <ke7vyv> Heres my ethtool results  http://pastebin.com/mMWZwMvv
[09:33] <rbasak> Looks like either your driver doesn't support gigabit or your NIC doesn't support gigabit or something between the driver and the NIC isn't configured for gigabit.
[09:34] <rbasak> The name of your NIC certainly suggests that it supports gigabit :)
[09:35] <ke7vyv> Well the cable I hooked up to another machine and gigabit worked fine.
[09:36] <rbasak> The problem is not the cable. It's between the driver and your NIC.
[09:36] <rbasak> (or so ethtool seems to say)
[09:36] <ke7vyv> So on the system itself
[09:39] <ke7vyv> If I transplanted the hdd from another system could that be causing it?
[09:47] <mndo> hi
[09:48] <mndo> i just added a new volume on my card and although the new volume appears on the scsi bus a new block device is not created
[09:48] <mndo> how can i solve this?
[09:50] <ke7vyv> rbasak: Would this apply to me? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+question/66455
[09:53] <agu10^> hello. what do you suggest for setting up a simple email forwarding server to get custom email addresses?
[10:04] <ke7vyv> I read online to change the MTU to 1492.
[10:04] <ke7vyv> Is that just to connect to the net?
[10:24] <ke7vyv> rbasak: I found this but my kernal version isn't listed.   http://www.howtoforge.com/creating-the-sis191-gigabit-ethernet-driver-on-linux-2.6
[10:39] <Walther> I have a zvol on which a virtual server is installed in lvm. However I need to change the names of the lvm partitions / the lvm group - how should I approach this?
[10:39] <Walther> booting the virtual with a ubuntu server cd is not really helpful as it doesn't provide a "live-cd" -like environment
[11:06] <ke7vyv> I'm following steps on a site and it says to goto kernel.net and download my kernel version. My kernel is 3.5.0-23-generic and it's not listed. What do I do?
[11:07] <mardraum> use a "site" specific for your distro and release
[11:09] <RoyK> ke7vyv: why do you need the kernel source?
[11:10] <RoyK> ke7vyv: if you really need them, apt-get install linux-source
[11:10] <ke7vyv> The page I found that tells how to fix my nic said to download them.
[11:12] <ke7vyv> RoyK: Here is the site  http://www.howtoforge.com/creating-the-sis191-gigabit-ethernet-driver-on-linux-2.6
[11:12] <RoyK> ke7vyv: I see - use the apt-get I gave you. you shouldn use the ubuntu kernel, not those from kernel.org
[11:13] <ke7vyv> RoyK: OK I'll try that.
[11:13] <RoyK> or
[11:14] <RoyK> you may want to try the linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic kernel
[11:15] <ke7vyv> RoyK: I don't see that on kernel.org
[11:15] <RoyK> it's an ubuntu package
[11:15] <RoyK> apt-get install it
[11:15] <ke7vyv> OK
[11:18] <ke7vyv> It won't let me
[11:21] <agu10^_> how do i run a command on startup?
[11:40] <jair> I have been hearing a lot about juju but have one specific question, is it free software?
[11:42] <jair> just checking making sure this is not something like eucalyptus used only if you pay to canonical?
[11:51] <highvoltage> jair: juju is free software
[11:51] <highvoltage> jair: other distributions are even packaging it
[11:53] <jair> highvoltage: thank you sir, I really appreciate it, chating with another ubuntu guy at #juju
[11:53] <jair> ;)
[11:53] <jair> but glad to hear that
[11:57] <jair> thank you so much!
[12:06] <agu10^_> I need to disable iptables. Yet i keep getting "service iptables stop". I need to disable it forever, not just until next reboot. Any clues?
[12:08] <qman__> a better question is why; by default it's an accept all policy with no rules
[12:08] <rbasak> agu10^_: I don't think any iptables rules are present by default, so disabling it depends on how you enabled it.
[12:09] <rbasak> Did you install ufw perhaps?
[12:09] <qman__> ufw is also accept-all by default
[12:10] <agu10^_> rbasak, why do i care about the default rules?
[12:10] <agu10^_> some sofware installed new rules without my permission
[12:10] <qman__> then you need to fix/remove that software
[12:11] <rbasak> There are multiple ways to "install new rules", so how to do what you want depends on exactly what the software did.
[12:11] <qman__> when you "stop" iptables, you flush the rules and set accept policies, you don't actually remove it from anything
[12:11] <qman__> because netfilter is compiled into the kernel
[12:18] <agu10^_> how do i delete all iptables rules?
[12:18] <agu10^_> i just want the default setup
[12:58] <ak5> I have mongodb in qemu but it is failing to allocate more diskspace - any ideas?
[13:17] <Arrick> hey all, in ubuntu 12.04, running apache2, and php5, where all do I need to change the max post size and max file upload size so that moodle (I've changed it in there) that I can upload the courses? I've changed /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini to reflect what I need, and it showed up in moodle as an option, but then when I try to upload a file, it says it is too big still.
[13:19] <zul> did you restart apache?
[13:29] <Arrick> yeah
[14:51] <zul> hallyn:  ping
[14:56] <vibedigital> Hi. I'm using 12.04 and trying to connect remotely to virtualbox using phpvirtualbox. all stuff look ok. but in web browser phpvirtualbox dont load only the background. someone can help please?
[15:13] <hallyn> zul: .
[15:14] <zul> hallyn:  do you still have your 1.0.4 stuff lying around?
[15:15] <hallyn> zul: uh, isn't it in a few ppas?  i think i also had it on p.p.c.  hold on
[15:15] <zul> hallyn:  supposedly ;)
[15:19] <hallyn> zul: https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/virt/+files/libvirt_1.0.4-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1.dsc    hopefully that's the latest i had
[15:19] <hallyn> did you see 1.0.5 was released today?
[15:20] <zul> hallyn:  cool thanks
[15:20] <zul> hallyn:  chuck@homer:~/work/server/libvirt/libvirt-1.0.5$  (i did see ;)
[15:20] <hallyn> +1 :)
[15:38] <Daviey> zul: hey, would you have time to try openstack on our xen packages soon?
[15:39] <zul> Daviey:  i did some last cycle, it almost works out of the box with libvirt-xen I didnt try with xcp
[15:49] <Daviey> zul: is it a pain to check for you?
[15:50] <zul> Daviey:  no i can do it no problem
[15:51] <zul> Daviey:  xcp is a bit more of a pain
[15:57] <Daviey> zul: if you can do both, that would make me super happy.. and document what you did :)
[16:09] <plars> hallyn: ping
[16:10] <plars> or jamespage
[16:11] <plars> is lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server the right branch to be using for server smoke tests?
[16:15] <hallyn> plars: sounds right to me
[16:16] <plars> hallyn: I need to move everything in lib to the scripts subdir, it's breaking jobs with the current layout
[16:16] <plars> hallyn: let me move things around and I'll propose a merge, I pinged you because it looks like you've done a lot of the recent commits

[16:17] <hallyn> plars: I only did the lxc testscases, don't knwo about the wider layout.  I would like to think that if utah changed, its users would be notified, so hopefuly jamespage knows about this
[16:17] <bcessa> hi there, newbie question: if I have purchased a SSL certificate for abc.com can I create and sign valid email certificates for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with it? Or do I need to setup a full CA for that purposes?
[16:18] <hallyn> plars: thanks, hopefully it just works with your fix
[16:18] <plars> hallyn: I don't think it's that utah changed, maybe the scripts they use to generate the jobs changed at some point, but I'm not sure of the history... I'm not sure why anything under scripts would have been useful if it weren't already like this before
[16:18] <plars> hallyn: it's a simple fix, just give me a moment
[16:18] <sarnold> bcessa: x509 certs have a list of constraints that limits how the certificate can be used. normally you cannot use a webserver certificate for further signing.
[16:19] <sarnold> bcessa: the openssl x509 tool can help you see which constraints are set on your certificate.
[16:20] <bcessa> sarnold: thanks a ton man, looking at it ;)
[16:23] <bcessa> here are the extensions details http://pastebin.com/Hp4jiaiL I suppose the: "X509v3 Basic Constraints: critical CA:FALSE" prevents this right?
[16:25] <sarnold> bcessa: that's probably the one, but it's been a decade since I've done this myself..
[16:26] <bcessa> ok, thanks :)
[16:41] <Aison> hello :)
[16:41] <zul> Daviey:  sure but xcp only runs on precise basically but I can have a look
[16:42] <Aison> i'm still working on fixing my broken two testmachines. Both are broken after upgrade to raring from quantal
[16:42] <Aison> so far I noticed that update-initramfs is somehow broken, it hangs forever
[16:47] <jamespage> adam_g, promoting folsom a grizzly stuff to updates
[17:04] <xnox> Walther: just use lv / vg rename, make sure you edit fstab and update-grub after wards....
[17:04] <xnox> no need to boot into live cd or anything like that.
[17:09] <zul> hallyn:  1.0.5 building now
[17:13] <RoyK> Aison: tried stracing it?
[17:13] <hallyn> zul: cool
[17:14] <markthomas_> Aison: same problem as yesterday?
[17:27] <Aison> RoyK, markthomas: yes, still not working :)
[17:27] <RoyK> what does strace have to say?
[17:27] <Aison> hmm, there are endless many output lines :P
[17:27] <Aison> I have to record it
[17:27] <RoyK> strace -f ...
[17:28] <Aison> -f is just following the client processes I think?!?
[17:28] <Aison> or child processes
[17:28] <Aison> ah yes, follow forks
[17:29] <Aison> ahh, -o is the right option to record into a file
[17:49] <RoyK> Aison: any output yet?
[17:50] <RoyK> update-initramfs normally doesn't take 20 minutes ;)
[17:50] <Aison> no, I lost the contact to the machine....
[17:50] <Aison> and i'm not at home right now
[17:50] <Aison> but i'm just upgrading a 3rd machine, maybe that fails also :P
[17:50] <Aison> well, the upgrade itself terminated without any errors in all cases
[17:51] <RoyK> what was this - lucid to precise?
[17:52] <sarnold> RoyK: [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~quantal to raring
[17:52] <sarnold> sigh
[17:53]  * RoyK wonders who would be running something with 9 months support for a server
[17:53] <sarnold> RoyK: someone who intends to upgrade in nine months :)
[17:54] <Aison> in all cases it was a quantal
[17:54] <RoyK> well, obviously, but I don't really see the point for stuff in production :P
[17:54] <Aison> one was a server, one a client
[17:54] <Aison> both test machines
[17:54] <RoyK> for test it's fun
[17:54] <Aison> and both no longer boot after upgrade to raring
[17:54]  * RoyK has a few raring VMs around already, and a work PC
[17:55] <RoyK> my PC at work upgraded without issues
[17:55] <Aison> I also upgraded my personal netbook with xubuntu
[17:55] <Aison> that worked fine
[17:55] <Aison> and now I upgrade a personal client with kubuntu
[17:56] <Aison> luckily I have got dayli backups of all machines on tape
[17:56] <parallel21> Anyone using salt?
[17:56] <Aison> so I can playback and repeat
[17:57] <RoyK> parallel21: salt?
[17:58] <parallel21> saltstack
[17:58] <Pici> #salt exists
[17:58] <parallel21> They do not answer
[17:58] <parallel21> So I thought I'd try here too
[17:59] <parallel21> While I wait
[17:59] <sarnold> they may also be waiting for a more specific question
[17:59] <parallel21> Why don't things werk!?
[18:00] <sarnold> parallel21: you may wish to re-read this before tring again :)  http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[18:01] <parallel21> merci
[18:02] <zul> hallyn:  builds fine the stuff that you did for 1.0.4 is not needed ill upload it to my ppa in a couple of minutes
[18:04] <RoyK> Aison: what about strace?
[18:06] <Aison> RoyK, I lost contact to the machine :(
[18:06] <Aison> I have to got there first
[18:06] <RoyK> ah
[18:06] <RoyK> right
[18:06] <Aison> but I'm going to provide the results here
[18:15] <zul> hallyn:  one question for your though should we disable vbox in 1.0.5 though?
[18:28] <markthomas_> Aison: I seem to have lost connectivity awhile back.  How goes the work on that initrd problem?
[18:28] <sarnold> markthomas_: funny enough he also lost connectivity to his machine..
[18:29] <sarnold> markthomas_: last I heard he aimed the upgade at a third system and also wedged _that_ one.
[18:30] <markthomas_> sarnold: so, there could be something being repeated in the configuration that's causing a problem.  Or maybe a larger issue.  Less likelyi a random failure.
[18:32] <Aison> markthomas_, well, I tried with strace to find reason why it hangs
[18:32] <sarnold> markthomas_: he's got a touch :)
[18:32] <sarnold> Aison: are you upgrading with cd or do-release-upgrade?
[18:32] <Aison> nothing more
[18:32] <Aison> sarnold, do-release-upgrade
[18:37] <zul> hallyn:  https://launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/libvirt-testing/+packages
[18:44] <markthomas__> Apparently, I need to change IRC clients.  This one keeps dying.
[18:46]  * RoyK uses irssi
[18:46] <RoyK> weechat should work well too, and supports proxying to mobile devices etc
[18:47] <RoyK> irssi is a bit old-school (but so am I :P)
[18:47] <dpb1>  /go 3
[18:47] <sarnold> I use irssi only because the inertia required to switch to weechat is astonishing..
[18:47] <markthomas__> xchat has always worked well...until today.
[18:48] <sarnold> heh :/
[18:48] <RoyK> xchat doesn't work too well over remote ssh :P
[18:48] <markthomas__> I suppose not.
[19:11] <plars> hallyn: ok, got it to all succeed in this branch, can you take a look and merge? I don't have access to push to your branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~pwlars/ubuntu-test-cases/server-fixlib/+merge/162222
[19:33] <ke7vyv> OK on http://www.howtoforge.com/creating-the-sis191-gigabit-ethernet-driver-on-linux-2.6 it says I need to create thee driver for my sis191 nic. Can someone help me I'm lost.
[19:36] <ke7vyv> It says to go to kernel.org and download my kernel version but mine isn't listed.
[19:41] <RoyK> kermit: so 3.8 from ubuntu didn't work?
[19:41] <RoyK> erm
[19:41] <RoyK> kermit: not for you
[19:41] <RoyK> ke7vyv: see above
[19:42] <RoyK> ke7vyv: the versioning ubuntu and other distros uses isn't the same as with kernel.org. just download the latest kernel - should be 3.9
[19:42] <ke7vyv> RoyK: I'm lost on how to do it.
[19:42] <RoyK> ke7vyv: I guess you tried 3.8 from ubuntu?
[19:43] <ke7vyv> RoyK: I did what you said to but it wouldn't install
[19:43] <RoyK> any output?
[19:44] <RoyK> pastebinit
[19:44] <RoyK> !pastebinit
[19:44] <ke7vyv> ok
[19:45] <RoyK> ke7vyv: apt-get install linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic should do the job
[19:46] <ke7vyv> nope
[19:47] <ke7vyv> RoyK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5626980/
[19:47] <RoyK> apt-get update
[19:47] <RoyK> erm
[19:47] <RoyK> wait
[19:47] <RoyK> this was precise_
[19:47] <RoyK> ?
[19:48] <ke7vyv> 12.04
[19:48] <RoyK> linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic - Linux kernel image for version 3.8.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[19:48] <RoyK> this should work for precise
[19:48] <RoyK> (aka 12.04)
[19:49] <RoyK> it's in the repos
[19:49] <ke7vyv> I don't know.
[19:50] <ke7vyv> I'm lost
[19:51] <RoyK> well, run apt-get update first
[19:51] <RoyK> then apt-get install linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic
[19:51] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[19:52] <ke7vyv> I tried that earlier but it works now
[19:53] <RoyK> ke7vyv: good - try that kernel before trying to make your own
[19:54] <RoyK> new chipsets sometimes require changes to the drives as well as pci IDs
[19:54] <ke7vyv> RoyK: It's done now what do I do?
[19:55] <RoyK> reboot
[19:55] <ke7vyv> K
[19:58] <smoser> is there some trick i need to do to  make kvm perform reasonably with ubuntu iso ?
[19:58] <hallyn> smoser: what's up?
[19:58] <smoser> i'm running raring and trying to boot a raring amd64 iso. and, wow. painful.
[19:58] <ke7vyv> RoyK: It's back and it didn't fix it.
[19:59] <hallyn> smoser: hm.  i had trouble with quantal on precise when i didn't use tap netif
[19:59] <hallyn> but other than that, kvm has been speedy for me
[19:59] <RoyK> ke7vyv: perhaps something from backports?
[19:59] <hallyn> smoser: are you using /usr/bin/kvm, or adding -enable-kvm?
[19:59] <smoser> i can't see the mouse move around inside the window.
[19:59] <hallyn> sdl?
[19:59] <smoser> i was using kvm.
[19:59] <RoyK> ke7vyv: always easier with packets than hand-craftet stuff
[19:59] <smoser> i suppose sdlk.
[19:59] <smoser> kvm -usb -usbdevice tablet -net nic,model=virtio -net user -soundhw es1370 -drive if=virtio,file=disk.img -m 1024 -cdrom ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:00] <smoser> but i can drop just about all those arguments of modify them.
[20:00] <hallyn> smoser: try adding cache=none?
[20:00] <ke7vyv> RoyK: Is my kernel supposed to have changed.
[20:00] <smoser> hallyn, i'm not writing anything
[20:00] <hallyn> zul: i think we should drop vbox until 1.0.6, yes
[20:00] <RoyK> paste uname -a output
[20:00] <smoser> i think its graphics driver
[20:01] <hallyn> smoser: hm.  if you use vnc is it faster?  can you try -monitor stdio and info graphics?
[20:01] <RoyK> ke7vyv: that is, pastebin output from "uname -a" :þ
[20:02] <RoyK> or just paste it - it's only one line after all
[20:02] <ke7vyv> RoyK: Linux ubuntu 3.8.0-19-generic #30~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 1 22:26:36 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:02] <RoyK> you're running 3.8, yes
[20:02] <hallyn> plars: looking
[20:02] <smoser> hallyn, its not 'info graphics'
[20:02] <ke7vyv> Webmin doesn't show the change.
[20:03] <RoyK> ke7vyv: since that doesn't work, download the latest 3.8 or 3.9 from kernel.org and patch the driver, copy /boot/config-whateverthenameofthekernel to .config in the kernel source root and run make menuconfig (or oldconfig, but that's a bit disturbing if you don't know kernel)
[20:03] <ke7vyv> RoyK: reopened webmin and it changed.
[20:04] <RoyK> !webmin | ke7vyv
[20:04] <zul> hallyn:  ack
[20:04] <RoyK> ke7vyv: learn the commandline - it doesn't take too long and it gives you a deep insight into what really happens
[20:05] <ke7vyv> RoyK: I'm trying to. lol
[20:06] <ke7vyv> RoyK: How do I patch the driver?
[20:06] <RoyK> it's in that page you posted yesterday
[20:06] <hallyn> smoser: huh, thereno option for that.  drat.
[20:06] <RoyK> edit a header file etc
[20:07] <RoyK> ke7vyv: does ifconfig -a see the interface now?
[20:07] <hallyn> anyway i'd say try -vga vmware, or -vga qxl with spice
[20:07] <smoser> hallyn, /var/log/X tells me its cirrus_driv
[20:08] <hallyn> drat, the kernel is supposed to not keep that from happening or something - plars was having bugs with cirrus (other than slowness)
[20:08] <smoser> i have drawing issues too
[20:08] <hallyn> maybe we need a patch to make vmware the default
[20:08] <ke7vyv> Royk: Yes but the connection speed is wrong.
[20:08] <RoyK> ke7vyv: what does dmesg say about the interface?
[20:08] <RoyK> a bit strange if the interface is visible and the connection speed is wrong
[20:09] <RoyK> if it's visible, it's not because of the lack of a pci id
[20:09] <RoyK> rather a new driver needed
[20:11] <ke7vyv> RoyK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5627059/
[20:11] <markthomas> Aison: when you can, should file a bug against initramfs-tools on launchpad.  If this problem has ocured >1 time, it needs looked at
[20:12] <RoyK> ke7vyv: [   21.192009] sis190 0000:00:04.0 eth1: link on 1000 Mbps Full Duplex mode
[20:14] <ke7vyv> RoyK: ethtool results  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5627066/
[20:14] <RoyK> ke7vyv: eth0 doesn's seem to be connected
[20:15] <RoyK> ke7vyv: wierd - is this for eth1?
[20:15] <ke7vyv> RoyK: Yes
[20:15] <hallyn> plars: pushed
[20:15] <RoyK> it really should be consistent with what dmesg tells, which is 1Gbps
[20:16] <RoyK> what does actual test runs across the cable tell you?
[20:16] <ke7vyv> 100Mbps
[20:16] <RoyK> well, post a bug
[20:17] <ke7vyv> Don't know how.  lol
[20:17] <RoyK> !ubuntu-bug
[20:17] <ke7vyv> I'm just making the switch to ubuntu.
[20:17] <RoyK> well, just run ubuntu-bug
[20:17] <ke7vyv> OK
[20:18] <RoyK> what sort of switch are you using?
[20:19] <ke7vyv> what do you mean?
[20:19] <RoyK> I guess your machine is connected to a switch?
[20:20] <ke7vyv> Yes a 1Gbps 8 port.
[20:20] <RoyK> ok, probably non-managed
[20:20] <ke7vyv> No
[20:20] <RoyK> but looks like autonegotiate showed 1Gbps
[20:21] <RoyK> ok - can you force gigabit on the switch?
[20:21] <RoyK> if so, do the same on the linux box
[20:21] <ke7vyv> I have 4 other systems that work fine.
[20:22] <RoyK> what sort of nic is this?
[20:23] <ke7vyv> Not sure its on a HP mediaserver so I can't change it.
[20:23] <RoyK> lshw
[20:26] <ke7vyv> RoyK: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5627112/
[20:29] <plars> hallyn: thanks!
[20:31] <hallyn> smoser: for unity3d, i've had best behavior under spice.  Still not ideal, but worked best
[20:32] <hallyn> jdstrand: mdeslaur: waht kvm graphics combo do you use when you boot desktop cd ?
[20:34] <hallyn> smoser: separately, it's possible that 1.4.1 improves things.  was going to push that to saucy soon.  I had a raring version somewhere, but doesn't seemt obe in my virt ppa
[21:53] <sarnold> hallyn: mdeslaur has some config stuff in uvt to turn off the worst of the graphics offenders, see around line 2180 in uvt..
[21:55] <hallyn> sarnold: oh, very cool
[21:56] <sarnold> I wouldn't say it's -quick-, but it's better
[21:56] <hallyn> smoser: I'm trying out desktop here, kvm -vga qxl -spice port=5930,disable-ticketing -m 1024;  needs more memory, but it's doing ok
[21:56] <hallyn> the mouse isn't staggering, really only the dash is painful to use
[21:59] <hallyn> (this is on my 3 year old vaio)
[21:59] <Aison> I wounder why I have got so many :i386 packets installed after upgrade to raring
[22:15] <aMoniker> So, part of my application uses a JSON API to talk to a wordpress instance on the same box over HTTP
[22:15] <aMoniker> Are there any big downsides to this?
[22:15] <aMoniker> It's unlikely to be used by more than a thousand or so users at once
[22:15] <aMoniker> and even then, probably not that many
[22:26] <fhf> hello I was wondering if I can install MAAS node manualy ie. I have fresh Ubuntu Server 12.04 install and want to connect it to MAAS Clouster.
[22:28] <sarnold> fhf: I think you've gone one step too far by installing something on it :) half the point is that the machine is off and unconfigured until you add it to the cloud...
[22:29] <fhf> sarnold: So it's impossible? I wanted to try it if I can create Ubuntu MAAS cluster on VPSes and manage it with juju it will save me "some" time
[22:34] <ke7vyv> RoyK: So I'm trying to edit the driver for my nic using the 3.9 kernel but I'm not sure where the info is I'm supposed to change is.
[22:37] <sarnold> aw nuts... if fhf returns, someone please aim him at http://jujucharms.com/~virtual-maasers/precise/virtual-maas
[23:16] <sarnold> fhf: check out http://jujucharms.com/~virtual-maasers/precise/virtual-maas
[23:17] <fhf> k, ty
[23:45] <smoser> hallyn, -vga qxl is significantly better than anything else i tried.thanks
[23:46] <tedski> I'm attempting to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/kerberos-ldap.html on a fresh 12.04 build.  Of course, since krb5_newrealm is never ran and the backend is ldap, /etc/krb5kdc/principal is never created.
[23:46] <tedski> however, when i try to run kadmin.local, it fails with No such file or directory
[23:47] <tedski> when i strace that, i see it's trying to open /etc/krb5kdc/principal
[23:47] <tedski> ldap shows the proper entries after creating the realm there and running stashsrvpw
[23:51] <tedski> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5627614/
[23:51] <tedski> my krb5.conf points to the ldap backend
[23:51] <tedski> oops
[23:52] <tedski> db_library is missing :/
[23:52] <tedski> ugh
[23:52] <tedski> i hate careless mistakes that only show their face once you pastebin them :)
[23:54] <sarnold> :D


[02:42] <not_found> g night all
[06:51] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone
[07:15] <chesedo> morning all and paddatrapper
[07:22] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper chesedo inetpro thatgraemeguy and other lurkers
[07:22] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:23] <inetpro> Kilos: we've had more than 125mm now in just two days
[07:24] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[07:25] <Kilos> i will ask the farmer how much here but it will be lots as well
[07:25] <Kilos> he still uses an old fashioned gauge that you pour the water out the receiving thing then into a measure
[07:26] <Kilos> from ww2 times i think
[07:27] <inetpro> sounds cool
[07:43] <Kilos> yes but more work than modern things
[07:51] <Kilos> hi unlaudable
[07:55] <paddatrapper> Can't you guys send it south? Not even allowed to water the gardens at the moment
[07:56] <Kilos> eish
[09:01] <unlaudable> https://www.facebook.com/obsidianza/videos/
[09:01] <unlaudable> the docker thing going on right now...
[09:02] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[09:02] <unlaudable> only a couple of 2 2 minute videos
[09:04] <unlaudable> silent disco :D conference
[09:55] <chesedo> it is clearly not as cold there as here in Ptr
[09:55] <chesedo> it seems like 3 speakers are up simultaniously?
[12:28]  * andrewlsd sees kmf  on that video link
[13:04]  * pavlushka waves at Cryterion
[13:05]  * pavlushka particles at the rest
[13:11]  * Kilos joins the pro with power probs
[14:06] <unlaudable> if I click the xchat icon in my notification bar the window disappears and I cant get it back XD...
[14:07] <unlaudable> chesedo, yes, its like a silent disco type setup
[14:08] <unlaudable> you can tune into any speaker you want, and I think it also works for q and a afterwards... I'll try it myself on Thursday
[14:14] <chesedo> interesting...
[14:29] <pavlushka> unlaudable: click on the xchat icon on the notification bar again and you are supposed to get it back
[14:29] <unlaudable> pavlushka, it disappears
[14:29] <unlaudable> gone gone gone
[14:29] <pavlushka> unlaudable: with the icon?
[14:29] <unlaudable> not in the alt-tab
[14:30] <unlaudable> I tried dragging the icon to the bar on the left even
[14:30] <pavlushka> unlaudable: yes, it doesn't show in the alt+tab
[14:30] <unlaudable> doesnt work
[14:30] <pavlushka> unlaudable: it's a feature but if you click on the icon in the notification bar, it supposed to come back
[14:31] <pavlushka> *on the
[14:32] <unlaudable> pavlushka, I'm avoiding clicking it in the notification bar now... that's what seems to make it disappear :D I'm also using an embarrassingly old ubuntu
[14:32] <unlaudable> I'll update soonish...
[14:33] <pavlushka> unlaudable: yeah I liked the gnome2 version of Ubuntu, So now I use Ubuntu-MATE
[14:34] <unlaudable> I got annoyed with unity at home, intermittently lose the text boxes to login, no idea whats causing it
[14:35] <unlaudable> eventually just switched to gnome there as well...
[14:37] <pavlushka> unlaudable: yeah, in my case I faced that login issue too and switched from lightdm to gdm and also tried lxdm
[14:38] <pavlushka> and both alternatives solved the issue but lightdm
[16:27] <pavlushka> So what's on dinner Kilos ?
[16:43] <Kilos> gunno
[16:48] <not_found> sounds spicy
[17:44] <superfly> Happy 21st birthday paddatrapper!
[17:47] <paddatrapper> superfly: thanks!
[17:49] <tumbleweed> o_O
[17:49] <tumbleweed> happy birthday indeed :)
[17:51] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: thanks a lot :)
[17:59] <nsnzero> good evening guys
[18:06] <paddatrapper> Hey nsnzero
[18:07] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper
[18:10] <chesedo> wow, congratz paddatrapper
[18:13] <paddatrapper> chesedo: thanks :)
[18:15] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[18:15] <nsnzero> i missed the news paddatrapper - but congrats as well
[18:16] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: thanks :) (it's my 21st today)
[18:18] <chesedo> hi nsnzero
[18:19] <nsnzero> anybody running an ssd and hdd together ?
[18:22] <nsnzero> happy birthday paddatrapper - hope you had a awesome day
[18:24] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: thanks, that I did
[18:33] <nsnzero> paddatrapper: i wont forget your birthday - its also my sister's birthday today
[18:35] <paddatrapper> Oh cool! It's a good birthday :D
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my  21 today
[19:33] <Kilos> well done paddatrapper
[19:33] <paddatrapper> Kilos: dankie oom :)
[19:33] <Kilos> i feel good
[19:33] <Kilos> im only 3 times your age
[19:33] <Kilos> hehe
[19:34] <paddatrapper> hehe, still long time to go then!
[19:34] <Kilos> ja
[19:34] <Kilos> hi superfly tumbleweed
[19:34] <tumbleweed> o/ Kilos
[19:34] <Kilos> and inetpro dit sous nog steeds hier
[19:35] <Kilos> and bed time for me. night all. sleep tight
[20:01] <inetpro> happy birthday paddatrapper
[20:02] <paddatrapper> Thanks inetpro
[20:03] <inetpro> time to call it a night as well
[20:03] <inetpro> superfly: hold the fort
[20:04] <superfly> I'd rather leave it in more capable hands
[20:40] <not_found> paddatrapper: happy birthday!
[20:41] <paddatrapper> Thanks not_found!
[21:12] <superfly> paddatrapper: I've falled in love with Docker again
[21:12] <smile> I thought you found a girlfriend, superfly
[21:13] <paddatrapper> superfly: I still see it more as a developer's tool. And that's based on pretty much nothing...
[21:14] <paddatrapper> I guess I should try it before dismissing it, just I know lxc already and have everything set up using it
[21:18] <superfly> smile: I already have a wife. girlfriend is not necessary ;-)
[21:18] <superfly> paddatrapper: Docker and lxc are essentially the same thing. Docker is just more mature and has better tools.
[21:18] <superfly> I think Docker's killer feature is image inheritance.
[21:20] <paddatrapper> superfly: I'll have to check it out tomorrow then. As far as I know lxc has been around longer than docker. It's lxd that's immature
[21:20] <superfly> paddatrapper: is lxc/lxd backed by a company?
[21:21] <smile> superfly: nice
[21:22] <paddatrapper> superfly: IBM and Google apparently
[21:25] <paddatrapper> Seems the main difference between LXC and Docker is that LXC supports multiple processes, while docker only supports one
[21:26] <superfly> Docker doesn't only support one, it's just the way most people MAKE their containers
[21:26] <superfly> paddatrapper: https://phusion.github.io/baseimage-docker/
[21:27] <superfly> paddatrapper: the point I think is that you shouldn't put all your services into a single image
[21:28] <superfly> paddatrapper: remember, they both use cgroups
[21:30] <paddatrapper> superfly: I generally have a container per application service - so if an application requires LAMP, I'll have nginx, MySQL and PHP all running in the container. That way a snapshot of the container is portable and can be run with little configuration from anywhere
[21:31] <paddatrapper> But I'll do some more reading tomorrow and try set something up to test. Night everyone
[21:35] <not_found> *blink*
[21:38] <superfly> paddatrapper: ouch, that's not really the idea behind containers
[21:56] <not_found> containers are created to hold items like wtaer
[21:56] <not_found> *water even
[21:56] <not_found> or your lunch


[05:17] <soee> Riddell: the blue breeze window decoration is gone after latest updates, this is intended?
[07:57] <Riddell> soee: I think sgclark repackaged it so it'll now be in a separate package
[08:00] <soee> Riddell: ok, this package is not uploaded yet right ?
[08:00] <Riddell> dunno, I can see a kde-style-breeze
[08:00] <Riddell> soee: install that ↑
[08:21] <soee> Riddell: nope, this one does not brink this decoration back :)
[09:27] <Riddell> soee: ah hah, try kwin-style-theme
[09:27] <Riddell> that name should be fixed
[09:27] <soee> let me check :) so many changes -.-
[09:29] <soee> Riddell: also doesn't help :D
[09:41] <Riddell> soee: uploaded ~ppa2 with kwin style renamed to kwin-style-breeze
[09:41] <Riddell> but same contents, can you not select it in window manager settings -> window decorations ?
[09:41] <shadeslayer> I hate tests
[09:41] <shadeslayer> I hate them
[09:42] <soee> Riddell: i dont have it on the list, i have only oxygen and plastik
[09:42] <Riddell> soee: do you have /usr/share/kwin/decorations/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze/metadata.desktop ?
[09:43] <soee> Riddell: yes
[09:45] <Riddell> and run kbuildcoca5 for good effect? :)
[09:45] <Riddell> soee: ah, do you have /usr/share/kservices5/kwin/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze.desktop ?
[09:46] <soee> Riddell: nope, this one is missing
[09:46] <Riddell> there's our problem
[09:46] <soee> have only kwin4_decoration_qml_plastik.desktop
[09:47] <Riddell> mgraesslin: random question, why the 4 in "kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze" ?
[09:48] <mgraesslin> Riddell: no idea, they used to be called kwin3 in the kwin4 world
[09:49] <mgraesslin> I don't think we test the name any more - I removed that restriction
[09:49] <Riddell> off by one error
[09:49] <Riddell> soee: install this see if it helps starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kwin-style-breeze_5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa2_amd64.deb
[09:49] <mgraesslin> Riddell: well no, technically kwin5 is the 4th version
[09:49] <mgraesslin> in KDE 1 there was no KWin
[09:50] <apachelogger> technically kdelibs4 was kdelibs5, didn't stop anyone from calling it kdelibs4 all the same ^^
[09:50] <mgraesslin> no that was only downstream, upstream it was 4
[09:50] <Riddell> I'm sure I remember a window manager in KDE 1
[09:50] <mgraesslin> it was called KWM
[09:51] <Riddell> ah, a classic
[09:52] <soee> Riddell: force overwrite http://paste.ubuntu.com/7779445/ ?
[09:52] <Riddell> soee: yeah go ahead
[09:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: no, if you look at the version of the lib you'll see a 5 and not a 4 :P
[09:53] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: upstream? I thought that was all downstream due to BC changes very down in the stack
[09:53] <soee> Riddell: got the decoration back on the list :)
[09:53] <Riddell> yay, thanks for your testing efforts
[09:54] <Riddell> soee: although as martin keeps saying, it's buggy and you may not want to use it
[09:54] <soee> Riddell: thanks for the fix :)
[09:54] <soee> buggy ? :o
[09:54] <Riddell> tsdgeos: how are version numbers added to bugzilla for SC releases? is there a nice automated way?
[09:54] <mgraesslin> buggy is an understatement
[09:54] <soee> iv seen small artfacts left after window resize etc, but didn't think this might be related to window decoration
[09:55] <mgraesslin> I told people since January that we cannot have an Aurorae window decoration in the release
[09:55] <mgraesslin> but everybody ignored me :-(
[09:56] <soee> :)
[09:56] <soee> btw. thie forst release wont have decoration, qtcurve nor the icons right ?
[09:56] <soee> *the first
[09:56] <tsdgeos> Riddell: no idea
[09:57] <mgraesslin> I'm a little bit pissed about it as I will have to handle the bug reports
[09:58] <Riddell> soee: the only artwork that's changed by default is the wallpaper, everything else is oxygen I think
[09:58] <Riddell> oh and the font
[09:58] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: yeah that was upstream, way back when commit messages were in german I think ^^
[09:58] <Riddell> (which is oxygen, but wasn't default before)
[09:58] <soee> Riddell: nice, thank you
[09:59] <Riddell> soee: and the plasma widget theme is updated
[10:00] <soee> i think the performance is bit better when using oxygen decoration than with breeze
[10:00] <mgraesslin> a bit is an understatement
[10:00] <mgraesslin> that's actually the main issue
[10:01] <soee> :)
[10:01] <Riddell> probably depends on your graphics setup, it's slow as molasses for me
[10:02] <mgraesslin> well it has to read memory back
[10:02] <soee> im on propriety drivers here
[10:02] <mgraesslin> which sucks badly
[10:02] <mgraesslin> and that's kind of unfixable
[10:02] <mgraesslin> but I'm working on a new breeze deco in C++
[10:02] <mgraesslin> http://paste.opensuse.org/75160382
[10:03] <Riddell> :)
[10:03] <Riddell> now that's awesome
[10:03] <mgraesslin> of course it is, it's the magical unicorn Jos asked for
[10:03] <mgraesslin> only the "donate now" sign is missing
[10:04] <Riddell> :)
[10:05] <mgraesslin> but I also have John's dollar button: http://paste.opensuse.org/83183328
[10:06] <Riddell> genius
[10:23] <soee> hmm, when using white theme, the loading screen or the screen locked theme is dark, and when using dark theme the both mentioned are white :)
[10:23] <soee> this is how it should be ? :)
[10:30] <Riddell> soee: white theme of what?
[10:31] <soee> Riddell: plasma theme
[10:31] <soee> we have breeze white and dark
[10:32] <soee> when breeze white is set, try to lock your screen, than you will have dark theme used on that screen
[10:33] <Riddell> oh aye
[10:33] <Riddell> soee: I think that's how it is supposed to be, on lock screen the widgets are dark on dark theme (background stripe is lighter)
[10:35] <soee> so the same will be with lightdm/sddm ? dark login screen and white plasma theme ? :)
[10:36] <Riddell> dunno, up to the artists
[10:47] <shadeslayer> sigh
[10:47] <shadeslayer> I hate copyright files
[10:48] <shadeslayer> not sure if I've said that before
[10:48] <apachelogger> only every other week
[10:48] <shadeslayer> I should hire someone via amazon mechanical turk
[10:48] <shadeslayer> to do this
[10:49] <shadeslayer> I'd even go as far as saying that populating debian/copyright is better than alcohol at killing brain cells
[10:49] <Riddell> oh that's an excellent idea for updating the bugzilla verion numbers for Plasma 5
[10:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well, not really
[10:49] <shadeslayer> because they'd have to have admin privilliges
[10:49] <shadeslayer> could screw up bugzilla for all you know
[10:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: want to kill some brain cells?
[10:50] <apachelogger> (they need limited admin privs)
[10:50] <Riddell> well that's easy to automate, heck I can just give them my password
[10:50] <Riddell> seems to be hard to automate adding a line to a database for the version number
[10:51] <apachelogger> no?
[10:51] <apachelogger> the page I linked to you even has example code
[10:53] <Riddell> right but that's on a server which I have no access to
[10:53] <Riddell> and it's in perl
[10:54] <Riddell> which I learnt once and then I learnt cobol and then I got over my youthful sillyness
[10:54] <apachelogger> not hard then
[10:55] <apachelogger> oh, ktux is still running
[10:55] <apachelogger> I totally don't get this app
[10:56] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: someone should axe everything in the kdetoys module I am reasonable certain nothing is maintained there and nothing is worth maintaining either
[10:56] <mgraesslin> but I want a little tux walking over my panel
[10:56] <apachelogger> yeah, but, that's not what it does
[10:56]  * mgraesslin is not sure whether it was a good idea to say that, I don't want to become the maintainer
[10:56] <yofel> but, but, kteatime!
[10:56] <apachelogger> it's a screensaver in a window, a very cheap screensaver I might add -.-
[10:57] <mgraesslin> there's also kamor or something like that
[10:57] <yofel> it's amor
[10:57] <mgraesslin> yes and kteatime is important
[10:57] <apachelogger> teamtime can be kdeutils
[10:58] <mgraesslin> or just a plasmoid
[10:58] <apachelogger> that plasmoid still could live in kdeutils though :P
[10:59] <mgraesslin> or in plasma-workspace
[10:59] <apachelogger> anywhere but kdetoys
[10:59] <apachelogger> it could do it like oxygen-font and live in kdereview for half a year  xD
[11:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Conflicting tags:
[11:01] <shadeslayer>     5.0.0-0ubuntu1
[11:02] <shadeslayer> so yeah, bzr can't delete tags
[11:02] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:02] <Riddell> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/beta/en/user-reference/tag-help.html "
[11:03] <Riddell> Create, remove or modify a tag naming a revision."
[11:03] <Riddell> can too
[11:03] <apachelogger> everything can delete tags
[11:03] <apachelogger> even svn
[11:03] <apachelogger> for in svn tags are copies
[11:03] <apachelogger> xD
[11:06] <soee> Riddell: some parts of kde 4.14 are going to be included in unicorn ?
[11:06] <Riddell> soee: all of it
[11:06] <Riddell> assuming someone gets round to packaging it
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you check kcoreaddons
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: just uploaded it to the archive
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:51] <allee> installed utopic, added ppa next-utopic, now lightdm an startkde complain: Could not start D-bus.  Can you call qdbus?   and  greeter is apprear again.
[11:52] <allee> Which log to check to find the bug?
[11:53] <soee> allee: install qt5-default
[11:55]  * BluesKaj wonders why qt5-default isn't installed by default ... makes no sense
[11:55] <Riddell> because it should be fixed properly
[11:55] <Riddell> qt5-default is a developer tool
[11:55] <allee> soee: thx. So question is where is the qt5-defaults dependency missing?
[11:55] <Riddell> allee: it's not missing, it needs whatever calls qdbus to call /usr/lib/foo/qt5/qdbus directly
[11:55] <Riddell> maybe startkde
[11:56] <allee> Riddell: as lightdm's greeter also complains is must be somewhere deep in kde libs :-(
[11:57] <allee> Riddell: maybe prepend  /usr/lib/foo/qt5 to the PATH of the greeter process?
[11:58]  * allee search xsession scripts ...
[11:58] <mgraesslin> the message sounds like startkde
[11:58] <shadeslayer> whaa
[11:58] <shadeslayer> no
[11:58] <shadeslayer> no
[11:59] <shadeslayer> that would be all wrong
[11:59] <shadeslayer> would cause all sorts of madness
[11:59] <shadeslayer> what needs to be done is startkde needs fixing
[11:59] <shadeslayer> to use QT_SELECT=5
[11:59] <shadeslayer> actually
[11:59] <shadeslayer> there should be some check to see which qdbus is installed
[12:00] <shadeslayer> and use appropriate QT_SELECT
[12:00] <yofel> that should be fixed in qtchoose really
[12:00] <yofel> +r
[12:00] <shadeslayer> until that happens ... QT_SELECT :P
[12:00] <yofel> right
[12:00] <shadeslayer> I found out that lconvert has the same isse
[12:00] <Riddell> qt should just add a version number to their binaries really
[12:00] <Riddell> qtchooser is overengineering it
[12:01] <shadeslayer> well, qtchooser isn't supported by Qt
[12:01] <shadeslayer> or that's what I recall someone saying
[12:02] <allee> startkde used QT_SELECT + shell alias, maybe the same for the whatever start plasma5 desktop?
[12:05] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning, so you were right, those files are there, drkonqi is a new package in plasma-workspace?
[12:23] <apachelogger> maybe qtchooser should be fixed
[12:37] <allee> how unity handling it?  AFAIR v8 is qt5 and before qt4  so they have the same problem
[12:45] <allee> shadeslayer: How about in plasma.desktop    Exec=env QT_SELECT="qt5 qdbus" /usr/bin/startkde      and qt4 in  kde-plama.desktop
[12:45] <apachelogger> that does not fix the bug
[12:46]  * allee checks what qt5-default does to understand what the 'bug' is
[13:12]  * BluesKaj thinks his move to install qt5-plasma etc is a mistake...too many basic operations aren't working, like copy and paste using the mouse and associated dialogs...at least ctrl+c and ctrl+v work ...new themes fail to download etc, but I guess it's early days
[13:13] <soee> BluesKaj: :O
[13:13] <soee> copy/paste works for me
[13:14] <soee> what new themes >
[13:14] <soee> BluesKaj: do you have the old Dolphin ?
[13:16] <allee> BluesKaj: I try qt5-plasma to find and help fix the packaging problems/bugs
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yes I have the old dolphin allee
[13:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , I just checked in kdelool , there no new themes :)
[13:18] <BluesKaj> kdelook
[13:19] <BluesKaj> there's
[13:26] <Riddell> sgclark: I wouldn't make it a separate package
[13:27] <Riddell> just keep it in plasma-workspace
[13:27] <shadeslayer> allee: that would still screw up everything that executes under plasmashell
[13:29] <allee> shadeslayer: ?  Why?   Now I have the feeling I still dont I understand the problem :-(
[13:30] <shadeslayer> allee: because then everything in plasmashell would be using Qt5 , and if you wanted to compile a Qt4 app, you'd be screwed
[13:31] <shadeslayer> not much different than qt5-default
[13:31] <BluesKaj> soee,  I tried setting up the dropbox startup script in system settings, but pasting the path fails , the dialog is totally greyed out
[13:33] <soee> BluesKaj: oh im not using dropbox, i have my own owncloud server
[13:34] <BluesKaj> nice
[13:38] <allee> shadeslayer: well,   env var are per process (+children), qt5-default is system wide and for all proc (also already running).     So  env var QT_SELECT in  session desktop affect only the started session,  so KDE4 and plasma5 in parallel are possible.
[13:39] <allee> if QT has such a stupid devel environment we just have to life with it, that during compile one has to explicitely choose with qt 4/5 one wants :-(
[13:40]  * allee nevertheless considers ENV var as fragile and they should never be the final solution
[13:56] <apachelogger> allee: the problem is that qtchooser doesn't have appropriate fallback tech and that priority is all screwed because the default is always qt4 unless qt5-default is installed at which point default.conf becomes available
[14:05] <allee> apachelogger: isn't the first goal to find a way run  a KDE SC 4 seesion and a plasma5 session on the same system?   Build environment can always be controled in debian/rules.
[14:06] <allee> it's a dirty quickfix but at least a fix until upstream can be convinced to implement something sane.
[14:09] <apachelogger> there is a workaround which is exactly the same I made for 4.x
[14:22] <Riddell> can someasdfssdfasdfjklsdrgjkl
[14:22] <Riddell> bh
[14:22] <Riddell> can someone with the login issue test this patch to startkde? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF
[14:25] <shadeslayer> looks wrong
[14:32] <sgclark> Riddell: libmm-qt is in bzr ready for your review
[14:33] <Riddell> awooga
[14:34] <sgclark> Riddell: so I see there are some new tars, did you already replace the uploaded?
[14:34] <Peace-> Riddell: btw why on neon 5 latest dolphin have not shell integrated ?
[14:34] <Peace-> has*
[14:35] <Peace-> => http://i.imgur.com/o1wV8NP.png
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: nope I've not replaced any which are new today
[14:53] <sgclark> Riddell: ok I will get that out of the way
[14:53] <Riddell> Peace-: dunno I don't make neon 5 but I saw in the announcement they went back to using kdelibs4 kde-baseapps (dolphin)
[14:54] <Peace-> ah
[14:54] <Peace-> tx for info Riddell
[14:58] <Riddell> meh, barcelona internet is being flakey
[15:05] <Riddell> sgclark: but hold off on baloo, that tar is broken
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: ahh ok
[15:08] <ScottK> agateau: ping.  I have kapidox issues/questions.
[15:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ working on it.
[15:09] <agateau> ScottK: pong
[15:09] <allee> Riddell: I've applied your patch, deinstalled  qt5-default and rebooted.  Autologin was successful
[15:09] <Riddell> awooga
[15:09] <Riddell> however it's specific to amd64
[15:09] <allee> Riddell: yes :-)
[15:10] <Riddell> I wonder how to get that path for any platform
[15:10] <allee> how about qtpaths -qt 5...  instead of full path?
[15:10] <ScottK> agateau: It looks like gv is not available for python3 (at least not in Debian/Ubuntu), so one can't do all of kapidox with python, but you use urllib.parse in src/kapidox/generator.p
[15:11] <ScottK> err .py
[15:11] <ScottK> urllib.parse is python3 only
[15:11] <agateau> mmm
[15:11] <allee> err does nnot work
[15:11] <ScottK> It's urlparse in python2.7.
[15:12] <agateau> ScottK: there is a try for the import
[15:12] <agateau> try:
[15:12] <agateau>     from urllib.parse import urljoin
[15:12] <agateau> except ImportError:
[15:12] <agateau>     from urlparse import urljoin
[15:12] <ScottK> Ah.
[15:12] <ScottK> Better I read the code and not just grep.
[15:12] <agateau> :)
[15:12] <allee> Riddell:   qtpaths -qt=5 --binaries-dir
[15:13] <ScottK> agateau: The python is all just backed to the /usr/bin tools, so it doesn't matter for users if it's python or python3, right?
[15:14] <agateau> ScottK: yes, it's an "app", not a module for other Python programs
[15:14] <ScottK> OK.
[15:14] <ScottK> I'll go ahead and do this as python, not python3, so we can include the gv support.
[15:14] <ScottK> THanks.
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yay
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks
[15:16] <allee> Riddell: but qtpaths give this way the same result for KDE4 session and plasma5 session.  Is that wanted?
[15:16] <ScottK> agateau: For a future release, the pythonic way to indicate modules are only intended for private use is to lead the name with an underscore, i.e. kapidox/_argparserutils.py or something like that.
[15:16] <Riddell> allee: if you have Plasma 5 installed you have no KDE 4 session
[15:17] <agateau> ScottK: really? I have never seen this before
[15:17] <agateau> or maybe, never noticed it
[15:17] <allee> Riddell: having both available is not a goal?
[15:17] <Riddell> no
[15:18] <ScottK> agateau: Yes.  To pick one example that's related, the graphviz bindings have gv.py and _gv.so.  The gv.py is the public wrapper to the "private" C extension.
[15:18] <allee> so only qt4 and qt5 environment on same system but only plasma  desktop or plasma5 desktop
[15:18] <ScottK> The csv module does the same trick.
[15:18] <agateau> ScottK: I thought the _* notation was only for .so files
[15:19] <ScottK> Some people even use it in individual function names within a module.
[15:19] <agateau> I sometimes do prefix individual functions in a module
[15:19] <agateau> but only if the module is supposed to be "public"
[15:21] <ScottK> I could stash the kapidox module in a private space, but then I'd have to do something special for the /usr/bin scripts to find it.
[15:21] <ScottK> So, so kapidox is a public module, despite it's intended use.
[15:21] <ScottK> Just something to think about.
[15:24] <agateau> ScottK: indeed. But one would have to do a "from kapidox import something" to access it, so it's not polluting the public namespace, right?
[15:25] <ScottK> Not beyond taking the namespace kapidox
[15:25] <ScottK> You certainly wouldn't get anything accidentally.
[15:25] <agateau> ScottK: I have always wondered what was the best way to distribute a Python app made of multiple .py files
[15:26] <ScottK> Me too.
[15:26] <agateau> the Python doc is all about installing modules, there is very little about applications
[15:26] <agateau> Which is why I decided to go with installing my app as a module, with a script to start it
[15:47] <ScottK> agateau: it's a reasonable way to proceed.
[15:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Your changelog entry for kapidox says something about a lintian override being added, but it's not there.  Did you forget to bzr add?
[15:49] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK: dunno so, if I did it's gone
[15:55] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I'll take care of it.
[16:01] <Riddell> sgclark: new baloo
[16:01] <Riddell> baloo;frameworks;2c4042b3cb98e2e0d68a57164faa81ad805fff38;baloo-5.0.0.tar.xz;1f2f0049e70cc207de581de7ee4b99d86d4ad8417901d558722905cf0b0c9594
[16:01] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.0.0/baloo-5.0.0.tar.xz
[16:02] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: warning: cannot find binary, udeb or source package -pedantic in lab (skipping)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  lintian -pedantic ~/Downloads/libkf5itemviews5_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[16:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: only libkf5itemmodels5_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_arm64.deb libkf5itemmodels5_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_powerpc.deb libkf5itemmodels5_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_ppc64el.deb
[16:17] <Riddell> sgclark, shadeslayer: tier 1 is in the archive!
[16:19] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:20] <ScottK> agateau: Could we have man pages for depdiagram-generate-all, kgenframeworksapidox, depdiagram-generate, kgenapidox, and depdiagram-prepare in the next release?
[16:21] <agateau> ScottK: mmm, I never wrote a manpage, I guess I could use help2man or something
[16:21] <ScottK> There are plenty of ...2man tools, so whatever works for you.
[16:22] <ScottK> agateau: You can look at my pypolicyd-spf package to see an example of how to install man pages using setup.py too.
[16:22] <agateau> ScottK: ok
[16:22] <sgclark> Riddell: mmm locales were removed from baloo?
[16:22] <Riddell> meh
[16:23] <Riddell> well spotted
[16:33] <Riddell> sgclark: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-5.0.0/baloo-5.0.0.tar.xz
[16:33] <Riddell> baloo;frameworks;2c4042b3cb98e2e0d68a57164faa81ad805fff38;baloo-5.0.0.tar.xz;92b5de11db66fe6037606ef34687f78ca626afbee1dea27c3ceb842782dc3af8
[16:34] <Riddell> ok I'm making too many mistakes, time to leave the computer
[16:34] <Riddell> ciao
[16:34] <Corodius> I know that feeling well ^_^ Have a good break Riddell :)
[16:48] <ScottK> agateau: one last thing ...  kapidox: privacy-breach-generic usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/kapidox/data/templates/base.html www.kde.org/labels.rdf - See http://lintian.debian.org/tags/privacy-breach-generic.html for an explanation.  It might be nice to consider this for a future release (not that I worry about kde.org too much).
[16:49] <agateau> ScottK: not sure what I can do there
[16:50] <ScottK> As a packager the thing I'd do is wget the labels.rdf file and then patch base.html to use it.
[16:51] <ScottK> I wasn't sure that made any sense in this case, so I decided just to mention it and leave it to you.
[16:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer, sgclark, agateau: kapidox is uploaded to the archive now.
[16:55] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Probably worth looking at my changes to see how packaging a python app is different.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> when my brain is not all burnt out, sure :P
[17:01] <ScottK> What year does that happen in?
[17:11] <sgclark> Riddell: when your done resting plasma-workspace-wallpapers is in bzr ready for your review. I have to step out for a bit, will be back.
[17:12] <ScottK> sgclark: If you want to learn about python packaging, please have a look at what I did to kapidox.  I'll be glad to answer questions.
[17:12] <sgclark> ScottK: yep! I will take a look when I get back, thanks :)
[17:12] <ScottK> Great.
[18:34] <soee> some updates and libkf5dbusaddons-data kept back
[18:37] <ScottK> sgclark: Do you mind if I make /debian stuff in kapidox BSD two clause to match the rest of the package?
[18:58] <sgclark> ScottK: nope, not at all
[18:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:16] <Riddell> ScottK, sgclark: debian have requested we make the packaging licencing match the upstream licencing for packages, so I guess it would be polite if we changed them all to match the code in the .tar
[19:16] <ScottK> Yes.  I'm doing that for kapidox
[19:17] <Riddell> gosh 4.13.3 as well as 4.14 beta as well as plasma 5
[19:17] <sgclark> Riddell: ok no problem, I can do that while I remove the -data packages
[19:18] <Riddell> sgclark: magnifico :)
[19:18]  * Riddell looks at plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[19:18] <sgclark> Riddell: so I go with Copying file or ?
[19:18] <Riddell> sgclark: how do you mean?
[19:19] <sgclark> Riddell: many have many licenses, how do I determine correct one?
[19:19] <Riddell> oh go for the most liberal
[19:19] <Riddell> usually LGPL2+
[19:19] <sgclark> ok
[19:19] <Riddell> (I think it's unnecessary but I like to keep Debian happy so they can use our packaging)
[19:20] <sgclark> right, that is what I wan too
[19:20] <sgclark> s/wan/want/
[19:20] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "right, that is what I want too"
[19:22] <Riddell> hmm, seems upstream (me) is quite inconsistent with plasma-workspace-wallpapers licencing
[19:22] <sgclark> Riddell: shadeslayer: with frameworks in archive, is there anything I do differently? I still use same bzr ?
[19:22] <Riddell> I'll have to send myself a polite e-mail to ask me to fix it
[19:22] <sgclark> lol
[19:22] <Riddell> sgclark: still use knextbzr for now I think
[19:22] <sgclark> ok ty
[19:25] <sgclark> Riddell: I thought I was suppose to get an email address with membership :(
[19:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the Debian request is reasonable because it avoids unfortunate questions like "what's the license of this patch".
[19:30] <Riddell> sgclark: should just work I think
[19:30] <Riddell> launchpadusername @ ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org
[19:31] <Riddell> assuming you have a primary e-mail set in launchpad
[19:32] <sgclark> Riddell: hah! it works, thank you
[19:32]  * sgclark changes her email everywhere
[19:32] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma-workspace-wallpapers all good except.. we're on 5.0.0 now, use the 4: epoch we're using in all packages for consistency, no need for debian/install file
[19:32] <Riddell> and I'll try to sort out the licencing and copyright holders upstream
[19:32] <Riddell> sgclark: don't change your primary e-mail in launchpad, bad things happen then I expect :)
[19:33] <sgclark> Riddell: lol yeah, meant in all the packaging stuff. Also, what about the IRC ghost? thought that was in the package too
[19:40] <sgclark> Riddell: is LiMux something I want to try for?
[19:43] <Riddell> sgclark: I suspect that a two day sprint isn't practical to come across the atlantic for
[19:43] <sgclark> ok
[19:43] <Riddell> as a far out idea if might be an idea to organise a US based sprint, depends who would be interested in it
[19:57] <Riddell> or re-launch camp KDE
[19:57] <Riddell> that would be cool
[19:57] <Riddell> trouble with camp KDE is I guess most of the people who were keen enough to organise it already went to akademy anyway, and without a team focus it died a bit
[20:07] <sgclark> I am not a "social butterfly" :( don't think I would be very good at organizing events lol
[20:08] <sgclark> I am trying to start going though, I will be helping LibreOffice at OSCON in a weekish
[20:10] <Riddell> oh cool
[20:14]  * Riddell snoozes
[20:20] <MintyNinja41> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew exactly when KDE Plasma 5 would be available for Kubuntu 14.04 (besides from experimental PPA or similar)?
[20:20] <ScottK> MintyNinja41: Never.
[20:21] <ScottK> The first non-PPA release for us will be fore 15.04.
[20:22] <MintyNinja41> Oh- because 14.04 is LTS?
[20:27] <MintyNinja41> Right, I've finished downloading the Neon image, I'd like to test it.  Thanks ScottK.
[20:32] <ScottK> Because 14.04 is already released and we don't do major updates like that post-release.  14.10 won't have it officially either.
[20:33] <ScottK> It's not co-installable with KDE4 plasma.
[20:56] <mcstr> is bugs.kde.org down?
[21:02] <lordievader> mcstr: Chromium tells me my connection is rejected.
[21:03] <mcstr> hmm yeh firefox fails to load it here, but kde.org works
[21:03] <mcstr> also cant ping bugs.kde.org it says unknown host
[21:06] <lordievader> mcstr: Port 80 (and 443) is closed on bugs.kde.org
[21:27] <soee> the dark breeze decoration looks nice :)
[21:29] <yofel> mcstr, lordievader: b.k.o is down for a server move
[21:30] <mcstr> ahh thx 4 the info yofel
[21:30] <lordievader> yofel: Check. Good to know.
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