[07:47] <mebaran151> Harold, yeah, because sproigie linked me to perl latin style
[07:47] <mebaran151> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
[07:47] <dabar> Harold: rember learning english?;)
[07:47] <Crismo123> I'm alway bugging on IRC
[07:48] <Harold> dabar: I'm still studying English, every day of my life...
[07:48] <willie_> can someone help me get my mouse to work?
[07:48] <RQ> it should woerk by default
[07:48] <willie_> it's not
[07:48] <Harold> Crismo111: No problem - you've got a question, so ask away anytime.
[07:48] <RQ> willie_, how come?
[07:49] <stian_> !dpkg eterm
[07:49] <ubotu> No idea, stian_
[07:49] <willie_> it is a regular ps/2 mouse with a ball
[07:49] <Harold> mebaran151: I'm not certain how to copy and paste/open a link using irssi yet.
[07:49] <mebaran151> haha
[07:49] <Crismo122> RQ: it do not launch (the exe of my game)
[07:49] <mebaran151> one way to do it
[07:49] <RQ> willie_, then it should really work by default
[07:49] <willie_> i also have a usb mouse that i could try, it's optical though
[07:49] <RQ> try it
[07:50] <RQ> willie_, i suppose you're taking about the GUI? :)
[07:50] <willie_> yes
[07:50] <sproingie> Harold: cmucl == CMU Common Lisp
[07:50] <RQ> hm, weird then.
[07:50] <Harold> sproingie: Oh, okay
[07:50] <dabar> stian_: ? !dpkg?
[07:50] <willie_> how do i get my computer to reboot if i don't have a mouse?
[07:50] <sproingie> ok, time for bed
[07:50] <mebaran151> sproingie, I didnt think you compiled Lisp
[07:50] <Harold> ?
[07:50] <Harold> Oops
[07:50] <RQ> willie_, you can press reset :)
[07:51] <sproingie> mebaran151: yes, it's compiled these days.  it's faster than hell too
[07:51] <dabar> Harold: well, f12 works even on g3 ibooks...
[07:51] <dabar> in ubuntu? like, gnome?
[07:51] <willie_> i have no reset button
[07:51] <mebaran151> sproingie, but all those parenthese
[07:51] <Harold> dabar: I'm in xcfe4...
[07:51] <mebaran151> it is so hard to look at
[07:51] <sproingie> mebaran151: feh. you get used to it, really.
[07:51] <stian_> dabar: im used to debian
[07:51] <stian_> :)
[07:51] <dabar> stian_: I thought so...
[07:51] <RQ> willie_, then just hold the power button for a few seconds
[07:51] <sproingie> mebaran151: it's not like C doesn't end up with a lot of parens when you nest functions
[07:51] <mebaran151> sproingie, I took it up for a day and couldnt get past the parentheses
[07:51] <Crismo121> RQ: it wrote that: /home/marc/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/La Quatrime Prophtie/t4c.exe in green ....
[07:52] <dabar> Harold: maybe that is why, but I dont think it should matter...
[07:52] <mebaran151> sprongie but braces
[07:52] <dabar> do you have a mouse connected? I guess not...
[07:52] <sproingie> mebaran151: most lisp ends up with one big "closing line" of lots of parens
[07:52] <sproingie> mebaran151: that's when it's handy to have an editor that matches 'em
[07:52] <Harold> dabar: No, no mouse...
[07:52] <sproingie> mebaran151: my main problem with common lisp is how verbose the function names are, not the parens
[07:53] <RQ> Crismo121?
[07:53] <sproingie> mebaran151: like WITH-OPEN-FILE
[07:53] <dabar> its interesting to look at firewall logs, I mean, what do all those requests want?
[07:53] <Crismo121> RQ when i do ~/.wine ....
[07:53] <RQ> Crismo, why that lot of clones?
[07:53] <Harold> dabar: It's okay, I'll figure it out eventuall.  I think more of a concern is how to scroll upwards in irssi, or to find some other way of reading past messages.
[07:53] <Crismo121> RQ i'm always bugging i dont know
[07:53] <dabar> page up scrollls
[07:54] <Harold> dabar: pg up display only my messages.
[07:54] <sproingie> the stuff that does would be equally confusing in python
[07:54] <RQ> ok...
[07:54] <RQ> Crismo i don't get your problem
[07:54] <Crismo121> RQ: to Launch my exe ?
[07:54] <dabar> Harold: are you sure you are not drunk? or something like that, cause it all works here:)
[07:54] <Harold> dabar: fn-pg up did the trick.
[07:54] <dabar> ah
[07:54] <orborde> How do I unpack and install a .deb archive? And will Synaptic automatically find it?
[07:54] <dabar> good.
[07:54] <Harold> dabar: LOL, not drunk.
[07:54] <RQ> Crismo, try `wine /path/to/exe/`?
[07:55] <stian__> orborde: dpkg -i packagename
[07:55] <RQ> (oops, no trailing slash)
[07:55] <dabar> alt+number changes windows...
[07:55] <La_PaRCa> orborde, if its in one of the repositories, you just have to tell synaptic to install it, otherwise dpkg -i file.deb
[07:55] <RQ> orborde, dpkg -i filename
[07:55] <dabar>  /win c closes a conversation with someone.
[07:56] <Crismo121> RQ: i dont understant what u mean
[07:56] <dabar>  /part <leaving message>
[07:56] <RQ> Crismo, launch terminal
[07:56] <dabar> to leave a channel.
[07:56] <RQ> then enter the command in it
[07:56] <RQ> "wine /home/marc/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/La Quatrime Prophtie/t4c.exe"
[07:56] <RQ> :)
[07:57] <RQ> Harold, mac?;]
[07:57] <Harold> RQ: Yes, a PowerBook G3 233MHz
[07:57] <RQ> aha :)
[07:57] <Harold> RQ: Wallstreet II
[07:57] <Harold> RQ: You?
[07:57] <RQ> ibook
[07:57] <Harold> dabar: These are helpful commands; thank you!
[07:57] <dabar> welcome
[07:57] <dabar> !macusers
[07:57] <ubotu> rumour has it, macusers is nalioth, dabar, and add yourself.
[07:58] <RQ> Harold, the white one :)
[07:58] <RQ> 900Mhz or so :)
[07:58] <luminerd> Okay, here's what I found so far, but I REALLY don't want to turn up a Dell since I've badmouthed it so long, there'd be no living with these people!  It's a Dell with a 2.4ghz Celeron, 256MB ram, 80gb hd, 17" monitor....only $299...thing is it comes with windows.  I need to get 20 identical models for $250 each that are as good as or better than this system
[07:58] <orborde> Okay. I dpkg'd it.   Now, with 256MB more installed, I'm flying through with Mozilla.  Still using irssi, though, rather than xchat, because I'm getting used to it I guess.
[07:59] <Crismo222> RQ: the Terminal is launched
[07:59] <pax> luminerd: that 17" is lcd or am I wishing?
[07:59] <Computer__Guru> luminerd:  i would definately get that. even with windows.. linux is just a dd away
[07:59] <dabar> Harold: I like irssi cause its cl. I like cl programs better.
[08:00] <luckyaba> anyone familiar with proxies
[08:00] <luckyaba> ?
[08:00] <Harold> dabar: Why, dabar?
[08:00] <dabar> just cause I can be logged out...
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> dabar:  plenty of ways to do that with X based stuff too
[08:00] <Harold> dabar: I began using irssi to save RAM.
[08:00] <Computer__Guru> although something along the lines of xscreen would farkin rule
[08:01] <RQ> Crismo, paste that to terminal:
[08:01] <RQ> wine /home/marc/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/La Quatrime Prophtie/t4c.exe
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> a screen for x apps
[08:01] <Computer__Guru> that would be real nice
[08:01] <crismo213> RQ: can you give me your msn to we talk to you help me with my probleme ?
[08:02] <RQ> Crismo, i don't know much about wine
[08:02] <RQ> ;)
[08:02] <RQ> the only game i ran under it was "Pharaoh+Cleopatra"
[08:02] <Harold> Well, I'm calling it a night.  Want to return to my study of programming if I have time, too...
[08:02] <luminerd> pax, CRT
[08:02] <Harold> 'night, everyone!
[08:02] <luminerd> Computer__Guru, I can get a better deal.  Dell SUCKS and so does celeron
[08:02] <orborde> Okay, how do I get the program from the package into my 'Applications' menu in Gnome?
[08:02] <dabar> see ya
[08:02] <Harold> dabar: Later, d
[08:03] <dabar> orborde: what program?
[08:03] <Harold> dabar: Thanks for your help
[08:03] <dabar> yeah, sure.
[08:03] <nalioth> night, harold
[08:03] <Computer__Guru> you can get a better deal?
[08:03] <Harold> nalioth: night, nalioth
[08:03] <RQ> orborde, if the package has gnome menu entry, you'll see iit
[08:03] <Computer__Guru> 250 for a full 2.4ghz system
[08:03] <Harold> nalioth: Real quick - seen any astronauts in town?
[08:03] <RQ> nite Harold
[08:03] <Harold> RQ: nite RQ
[08:04] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, it IS a celeron P4
[08:04] <mebaran151> not exactly the ritz
[08:04] <orborde> dabar: Opera
[08:04] <mebaran151> though my monitor alone cost more than that back in the day
[08:04] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[08:04] <dabar> orborde, ok...give me a sec?
[08:04] <dabar> can you opera in a terminal, and that opens it?
[08:04] <RQ> you think he can't?
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> yeah this 19 was 3 bills
[08:05] <taz> Question... I have installed NeroLINUX.. It tells me to enable DMA acceleration for my DVD-burner (/dec/hdc) ... How do i do this?
[08:05] <RQ> orborde, you can always apt-get install menu
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> taz: pico /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:05] <Computer__Guru> taz: find or add a section for your cdrom, and enable dma
[08:06] <thkClr> orborde, you can try just restarting gnome-panel
[08:06] <IcemanV9> taz:  sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[08:06] <Computer__Guru> taz: if you dont wanna reboot right now, type: hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom
[08:06] <RQ> /dev/hdc, that is
[08:07] <luckyaba> anyone know how to get a proxy running with irc?
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> not always /dev/hdc, and /dev/cdrom is a valid device if there's one anywhere on the system :>
[08:07] <luckyaba> do i need to find a cetain type?
[08:07] <orborde> dabar: yes, I can get it from terminal
[08:07] <Computer__Guru> my cdrom in my last system was /dev/hdb
[08:07] <orborde> RQ: Specify?
[08:07] <orborde> thkClr: How do I do that?
[08:08] <RQ> orborde, `apt-get install menu`
[08:08] <nalioth> i downloaded a hoary-ppc-install cd, and the md5 didnt match what was on the website
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  guess it didnt d/l right *shrug*
[08:08] <taz> Computer__Guru, ok.. so i dont need to change in the /etc/hdparm.conf then?
[08:08] <RQ> Computer__Guru, taz said it's /dev/hdc ;)
[08:08] <nalioth> i rm'd it and d/l from another site, and the md5 again didnt match, (but it matched the one i'd originally d/l)
[08:08] <Madpilot> orborde: Opera won't appear in Ubuntu's menus by default. search on "Opera" in the ubuntu forums, there's a nice tutorial there for adding it
[08:08] <Computer__Guru> taz:  if you want the change to be permenant, yes
[08:08] <nalioth> have they changed something on the images and not updated the md5s?
[08:09] <taz> ah ok
[08:09] <IcemanV9> taz:  yeah, it's for future when you bootup, it'll do that automagically
[08:09] <orborde> Madpilot: Not to be too dumb, but what is the Ubuntu forums address?
[08:09] <Computer__Guru> RQ:  oh, missed that part
[08:09] <Madpilot> orborde: or just add a launcher to one of your taskbars or desktop, that's even easier
[08:09] <shicaca> Does anybody know how to setup a cronjob?
[08:09] <Madpilot> orborde: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/  - just a sec, and I'll look for that tutorial again
[08:10] <dabar> RQ: whats the menu?
[08:10] <RQ> a package
[08:10] <RQ> which installs debian menu
[08:10] <RQ> and debian menu has EVERYTHING
[08:10] <RQ> unlike gnome or KDE menus
[08:10] <taz> Computer__Guru, this is the only entry i did.. i guess it takes the rest as default? /dev/hdc {
[08:10] <taz>         dma = on
[08:10] <taz> }
[08:10] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: any idears?
[08:10] <RQ> but on the other hand it looks quite ugly as it only has five root entries
[08:10] <Madpilot> orborde: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40467&highlight=Opera
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> taz:  yeah
[08:11] <taz> ok.. thx a lot guys :)
[08:11] <shicaca> Can someone help me set up a cronjob?
[08:11] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  yeah, re-download it... sorry m8, t's the best i can suggest
[08:11] <Micksa> okay, my xkb config is screwed, again
[08:11] <dabar> orborde: then I suggest you install smeg from backports.
[08:11] <Micksa> I'm guessing it's because xkbcomp isn't where it should be or something
[08:11] <nalioth> shicaca: you may (for now) open a terminal and "man crontab"
[08:12] <loderunner> stupid question, but how do I verify my current resolution?
[08:12] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: did you read all i sent?
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> i did not
[08:12] <Micksa> anyway, is there a way to set up the xkb config in a running X? "xkbcomp foo" or something?
[08:12] <Computer__Guru> all i saw was bad checksum
[08:12] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: i rm'd it and d/l from another site, and the md5 again didnt match, (but it matched the one i'd originally d/l)
[08:13] <dabar> orborde: think you got it now?
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  take your chances? *shrug*
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> with the first one that matches the second checksum
[08:14] <Computer__Guru> haha, read that, its funny
[08:14] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: my question was: does anyone know if they changed a bit or two in the image(s) but not the md5checksums
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  i dunno
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> i'd just take my chances
[08:15] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: i'd rather not, on my new imac
[08:15] <RQ> nalioth, check the dates
[08:15] <Marble2> Why do I keep getting this error when I open anything with MPlayer? "Failed to open /home/greg/<"
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> i doubt someone on your network is feeding you bogus packets in your ubuntu install
[08:16] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: would rather use a ppc warty installer
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> true
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> so do that and then just dist-upgrade to hoary
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> problem solved
[08:16] <orborde> dabar: I have it.
[08:16] <dabar> good.
[08:16] <Computer__Guru> and solved in a niftier manner :>
[08:16] <orborde> Thanks for the help.
[08:17] <dabar> yup
[08:17] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: heh
[08:17] <dabar> what did you do? out of curiosity...
[08:17] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: might as well get a woody netinst image and save some time
[08:17] <IcemanV9> Marble2:  permission problem?
[08:17] <Marble2> well
[08:18] <Marble2> < doesn't exist
[08:18] <Marble2> but I don't know why it's trying to open it
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  ubuntu > debian
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> imho
[08:18] <Computer__Guru> ymmv
[08:18] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: you dont know the install from woody floppy image(s) trick?
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> aroo?
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> but u said netinst image
[08:19] <IcemanV9> Marble2:  ahh. it doesn't exist. ha. check the preference in mplayer to make sure it is not trying to open something
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> and the bootable woody netinst image doesnt work on my ppc :(
[08:19] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: you install a minimal woody (some people dont have cdrom drives) floppy inst
[08:19] <Computer__Guru> i have an old g3 333, and i cant get that piece of shit cdrom to read anything
[08:20] <Marble2> IcemanV9: I looked around the mplayer prefs and say nothing related to trying to open that...
[08:20] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: once you get minimal + apt-get, you drop in hoary sources.list and update
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> yeah that's cool
[08:20] <crimsun> or you can netboot
[08:20] <Computer__Guru> couldnt you do that from any debian cd?
[08:20] <nalioth> crimsun: you know anything about the images and their md5s?
[08:20] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: some peeps dont have a cdrom drive
[08:21] <Marble2> IcemanV9: It's weird though, if I start mplayer then open the file, it doesn't happen, but if I double click the file and it starts playing in MPlayer, it does happen.
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> oh yeah
[08:21] <crimsun> Nakkel, as in mismatched? Not really.
[08:21] <crimsun> err
[08:21] <crimsun> Nakkel, sorry
[08:21] <crimsun> ^^ nalioth
[08:21] <Computer__Guru> who the hell doent have a cdrom?
[08:21] <RQ> Marble2, the filename is passed badly, that's all
[08:21] <RQ> hahaha :))))
[08:21] <IcemanV9> Marble2:  hm. i don't know why it does that. mine doesn't work except the plugin part.
[08:22] <nalioth> crimsun: i d/l 2 ppc-hoary-install from 2 different sites, and they both matched md5s, but not with what was on the downloads page
[08:22] <RQ> nalioth, gimme a link to the d/l page
[08:22] <dabar> nalioth: use torrents, I dont think they get mismatched...
[08:22] <nalioth> crimsun: and i was wondering if they've been bit-juggling
[08:22] <eyequeue> crimsun:  hi.  just a sound comment.  in breezy, there was an alsa upgrade again.  whatever was changed turned on my "external amplifier" again, which kills my sound (not a problem, i run alsamixer as root and turn it off, and all works again)
[08:22] <nalioth> RQ: www.ubuntu.com/downloads
[08:23] <nalioth> dabar: my torrent client infinitely d/l the same piece
[08:23] <crimsun> eyequeue, it's default to be on
[08:23] <RQ> nalioth, 404 :))
[08:23] <Computer__Guru> i say just go for it, nalioth, you're not gonna do any harm to your hardware, you might get stuck reinstalling osx, though, if it harfs
[08:23] <nalioth> RQ: singular, then
[08:23] <eyequeue> crimsun:  the thing is, i don't know enough about what it does on upgrade to file an effective bug report, but i figured it may mean something to you
[08:23] <crimsun> nalioth, I don't know if anything's changed.
[08:24] <dabar> eyequeue: ya, he told you its default to be on, not a bug.
[08:24] <SpecialBuddy> is there an apache chatroom
[08:24] <Computer__Guru> especially considering they actually do match..... sorta
[08:24] <dabar> I think...
[08:24] <dabar>  /join #apache
[08:24] <crimsun> eyequeue, which driver? (and it may be a bug, but it's not worth filing at this point since alsa* updates are coming steadily from Debian)
[08:24] <RQ> nalioth, i don't see md5's ther ;]
[08:24] <RQ> there
[08:24] <eyequeue> crimsun:  ah, the default consistently breaks sound here ("it just doesn't work"
[08:24] <SpecialBuddy> dabar, thank you
[08:24] <dabar> welcome
[08:24] <nalioth> RQ: ya have to click a country
[08:25] <RQ> Computer__Guru, have you tried a different mirror?
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> RQ:  i havent even tried that one. i was talking to nalioth
[08:25] <Computer__Guru> :>
[08:25] <RQ> ah
[08:25] <RQ> i was talking to him too
[08:25] <RQ> :)))
[08:25] <RQ> nalioth,  have you tried a different mirror?
[08:25] <eyequeue> crimsun:  TM lol) which seems suboptimal for newbies ... is there a way of sensing this before defaulting-to-broken?
[08:26] <dabar> yes. use stable:)
[08:26] <crimsun> eyequeue, which driver is it?
[08:26] <nalioth> RQ: in my chat here, i've mentioned twice that i've d/l from 2 differnt mirrors, to get the same md5 on what i got
[08:26] <Computer__Guru> RQ:  what he's saying is he downloaded the image and checksum from a site and they didnt match, so he tried a mirror and got both files there, and they didnt match either, but the second image he downloaded matched the first md5 he downloaded
[08:26] <RQ> nalioth, ah, sorry :)
[08:26] <nalioth> RQ: but doesnt match whats on the d/l page(s)
[08:26] <Cooner750> i'm baaaaaaaaaack
[08:27] <RQ> let's see
[08:27] <eyequeue> crimsun:  dmesg | grep ICM turned up null ... how should i look for the driver name here?
[08:27] <amonkey> is there anything in the repos that will let me cut an mp3?
[08:27] <RQ> i can d/l a file and check the sum
[08:27] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750:  you're in cinci, eh... im in columbus
[08:27] <crimsun> eyequeue, cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:27] <nalioth> amonkey: "cut"?
[08:27] <dabar> in half
[08:27] <Cooner750> Computer_Guru: Yep, good 'ol cinci. lol
[08:27] <nalioth> amonkey: audigy
[08:28] <eyequeue> crimsun:  thanks. 0 snd_intel8x0
[08:28] <eyequeue> 1 snd_intel8x0m
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750:  been hot, lately
[08:28] <Cooner750> yes. very hot
[08:28] <crimsun> eyequeue, strange, that should be _on_ for your chipset
[08:28] <eyequeue> crimsun:  a laptop, if that's an issue
[08:28] <Cooner750> and lots of rain....
[08:28] <amonkey> nalioth, i have an mp3 that has a bonus track on it so the mp3 is 30 minutes long with 10 minutes of audio, going on to a small mp3 player
[08:28] <eyequeue> crimsun:  an "external" amplifier?
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> been some rain here
[08:28] <Computer__Guru> but you have more humidity cause of the river
[08:28] <nalioth> amonkey: use audigy
[08:29] <Computer__Guru> so you prolly get a lot more rain
[08:29] <dabar> crimsun /i how do you do that?
[08:29] <crimsun> eyequeue, just standard confusing alsa terminology for a mixer element
[08:29] <RQ> nalioth, powerpc-install.iso?
[08:29] <nalioth> RQ: yessir
[08:29] <crimsun> dabar, ?
[08:29] <dabar> underlines.
[08:29] <RQ> k.... getting...
[08:29] <RQ> ubuntu-5.04-install-powerpc.iso, to be precise
[08:29] <crimsun> oh, just the underscore. Your client probably formats for you.
[08:29] <nalioth> Computer__Guru: RQ: i'm kinda wantin to compile my own pkgs (for 64-bit PPC)
[08:29] <Computer__Guru> but im from florida, originally, and if you wanna know the truth, both the rain and the heat here are a joke in comparison to summers in clearwater
[08:30] <RQ> 7M/s :) cute
[08:30] <dabar> aha.
[08:30] <amonkey> nalioth, package not found, where is it?
[08:30] <eyequeue> crimsun:  lol, it definitely consuled me :)  btw, alsamixer reports: Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 and Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B before Item: External Amplifier [Off]
[08:30] <Computer__Guru> nalioth:  right on
[08:30] <nalioth> !info audigy
[08:30] <dabar> _dont give me crap_
[08:30] <eyequeue> crimsun:  s/consuled/confused/
[08:30] <nalioth> ok fellas whats the name of the fscking sound editing thing?
[08:31] <eyequeue> nalioth:  as in, alsamixer?
[08:31] <nalioth> eyequeue: no to cut/paste/edit audio
[08:31] <crimsun> eyequeue, yeah, you have a particular codec quirk. It doesn't affect the actual driver but the ac97 codec.
[08:31] <Computer__Guru> no editing program i know what hes talkin about but i forget too
[08:31] <RQ> nalioth,
[08:31] <eyequeue> nalioth:  sorry, i forget that too
[08:31] <RQ> rq@bliss:~/buaaa$ md5sum -c < MD5SUMS
[08:31] <RQ> ubuntu-5.04-install-powerpc.iso: OK
[08:31] <nofear> hey is it possible to mount a sata drive in Ubuntu?
[08:31] <luminerd> How do I find out whether the system's specs are Linux-compatible?
[08:32] <nalioth> there IS a program
[08:32] <rommer> what version of bind is in ubuntu hoary?
[08:32] <RQ> rommer, care to check packages.ubuntu.com?
[08:33] <eyequeue> crimsun:  is there a fix or workaround i can apply? (so far, alsamixer each upgrade is what i use, but i'm thinking a newbie would give up)
[08:33] <RQ> luminerd, what do you mean?
[08:33] <dabar> _underlined_ _text_
[08:33] <amonkey> !info audigy
[08:33] <nalioth> amonkey: there IS a program, i used to use it all the time, and i'm probably spelling it incorrectly
[08:33] <crimsun> amonkey, try mp3splt
[08:33] <RQ> nalioth, md5's match
[08:34] <crimsun> eyequeue, currently, no, there is no workaround.
[08:34] <Din> haz
[08:35] <Computer__Guru> what ya do, is find the area of the file that's bad in the checksums, find an ftp program and server that support resume, login, resume the file where you need the patch, let it go for a few blocks, stop it and save it to a different name
[08:35] <crimsun> eyequeue, it's best to file a bug upstream to deal with it. Click the mantis link on alsa-project.org. You'll need to provide full system info.
[08:35] <Computer__Guru> then use a hex editor to splice them int he right places
[08:35] <nalioth> amonkey: audacity
[08:35] <Computer__Guru> yay for nalioth
[08:35] <nalioth> RQ: which mirror did you use? and how did you d/l the iso?
[08:35] <Computer__Guru> you remembered
[08:36] <eyequeue> crimsun:  okay, thanks.  i'll file a wishlist bug as the time approches, if it doesn't resolve by then  roughly when is a good lead time for something like this (for breezy)
[08:36] <Din> am one noob question, i have somekind script for installing ipv6 but i don-t know how to run it? please help
[08:36] <crimsun> eyequeue, now is as good a time as any, but having it fixed upstream due to your ac97 codec bug will benefit more people
[08:37] <nalioth> amonkey: audacity.sourceforge.net
[08:37] <rheio_co> hai...
[08:37] <RQ> nalioth, i used lithuanian mirror and wget
[08:37] <epiloc> hooray
[08:37] <nalioth> RQ: must be nice to be able to d/l 600mb in >5 minutes
[08:38] <eyequeue> crimsun:  okay, cool.  are they rather tolerant of non-sound-fluent reporters there?  (thinking of theo/obsd, heh)
[08:38] <nofear> hey, how do u mount a ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[08:38] <RQ> nalioth, well, i logged onto my box at work ;)
[08:38] <amonkey> crimsun, exactly what i needed, thanks.
[08:38] <RQ> it's in uni, just like the mirror :]
[08:38] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, ubuntu up and running
[08:39] <nofear> could anyone possibly help me?
[08:39] <epiloc> time to explore
[08:39] <amonkey> nalioth, so audacity is open source cooledit? very cool, thanks for the tip
[08:39] <nalioth> amonkey: it works great
[08:39] <nalioth> amonkey: a friend of mine used to d/l whole albums that knuckleheads would put up as one long mp3
[08:40] <nalioth> amonkey: and he cut them into individual tracks with audacity
[08:40] <nalioth> Tac: burn some
[08:40] <nalioths_dog> nofear: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[08:41] <nofear> aight
[08:41] <amonkey> nalioth, on the subject of audio, know any good catalogers? i won't say itunes, but xmms just doesn't cut it
[08:41] <La_PaRCa> I am curious... Computer__Guru how exactly do you know where in the file the checksum is getting fudged up?
[08:41] <RQ> c ya
[08:42] <nJess> has anybody here used doom legacy? if so, will it run on an ATi rage IIc ?
[08:42] <nofear> where do i put winmac_fstab..
[08:42] <nofear> do i rename it
[08:42] <nofear> and
[08:42] <Cooner750> how's this look? This is what worked for me. My instructions (just viewing from MyFileStash) http://myfilestash.com/userfiles/Cooner750/codecs.html
[08:42] <nofear> put it in a specific area? -- sorry im still new lol
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa:  ya got me, i was just offering up a ridiculously unpractical way to go at the problem :D
[08:42] <Computer__Guru> impractical
[08:43] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[08:43] <nalioth> amonkey: rhythmbox? i really dont listen to music much anymore
[08:43] <nalioth> nofear: read it, it has instructions
[08:44] <epiloc> This may be a horrible question, but why am I getting this error when trying to run glxgears : /media/cdrom0/rtl8180.sys
[08:44] <benplaut> hehe... Gear Live got /.'ed :(
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> rhythmbox isnt very impressive :> I wrote a jukebox that actually looked like a jukebox in flash once :D
[08:44] <epiloc> whoops, wrong error message
[08:44] <epiloc> root@blake:/ # glxgears
[08:44] <epiloc> glxgears: Error: couldn't open display '(null)'
[08:44] <benplaut> popup blocker? :P
[08:44] <Cooner750> Computer__Guru: Did you see my link?
[08:44] <dabar> epiloc: such horrible question!! go read the conduct page at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct ;)
[08:44] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750:  nope.. show me again
[08:45] <Cooner750> http://myfilestash.com/userfiles/Cooner750/codecs.html
[08:45] <hondje> comcast has to be the worst ISP in history
[08:45] <epiloc> rawr! attack of the moron
[08:45] <Cooner750> *just temp. viewing through myfilestash
[08:45] <Cooner750> those steps are what worked for me
[08:45] <amonkey> hondje, negative. aol's browser makes it the definite winrar for worst isp
[08:45] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, your way is not only impractical, its impossible.
[08:45] <Computer__Guru> yah i got those packages :)
[08:46] <pax> hondje: why, they block certain ports?
[08:46] <dabar> hondje: w00t, I work tech support for them:)
[08:46] <epiloc> dabar, i really have no idea why i cant run glxgears... any ideas?  Computer__Guru?
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> La_PaRCa:  is it? alrighty then, allow me to ammend my statement. You should instead download random pieces of the file, and see which one, when patched, corrects the checksum :D
[08:46] <dabar> hondje: is there anything I could tell you about maybe?? I doubt it tho...
[08:46] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  whats that?
[08:46] <epiloc> root@blake:/ # glxgears
[08:46] <epiloc> glxgears: Error: couldn't open display '(null)'
[08:46] <nalioth> epiloc: why are you running it as root?
[08:46] <pax> epiloc: running it as root?
[08:46] <La_PaRCa> Computer__Guru, oh, now that makes far more sense!
[08:46] <dabar> epiloc: close all windows, open a new one, dont be root, and try it.
[08:47] <epiloc> eh... k
[08:47] <Cooner750> How's my link look? (Was I just lucky; or does it work?)
[08:48] <epiloc> sweet, getting nearly 1000 fps without 3d acceleration
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  OR install the package sux, and use it to su (sux -) instead, then your X credentials are transferred, OR as root set your X display veriable :D
[08:48] <Cooner750> ??
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> variable
[08:48] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750:  it works
[08:48] <pax> epiloc: maximize that sucker and seen what fps you get
[08:48] <Cooner750> are those the steps that would work? or was I lucky....
[08:48] <IcemanV9> 665 frames in 5.0 seconds = 133.000 FPS
[08:49] <nalioth> damn this new imac sounds great
[08:49] <epiloc> pax, haha, now getting like 70fps
[08:49] <epiloc> time to install ati drivers, brb
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> 2888 frames in 5.0 seconds = 577.600 FPS
[08:49] <Computer__Guru> lemme maximize that
[08:49] <hondje> nalioth: I almost bought one myself the other day
[08:49] <hondje> I decided I didn't want the hastle of using linux on a ppc
[08:49] <nalioth> hondje: its Shweeeet
[08:49] <aimar> quit
[08:49] <epiloc> Computer__Guru, dont cheat and minimize the window :p
[08:49] <aimar> #exit
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> 421 frames in 5.0 seconds = 84.200 FPS
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> thats not so bad
[08:50] <nalioth> hondje: i'm enjoyin havin an actual mac that OSX doesnt run slow on
[08:50] <hondje> heh
[08:50] <hondje> I have a mini mac
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> and i was bitchin about this card, heh
[08:50] <nalioth> hondje: but tomorry it will be ubuntuized
[08:50] <hondje> it gives me nothing but headaches
[08:50] <Computer__Guru> hai hondje
[08:50] <holycow> nalioth, tommory?
[08:50] <holycow> haha!
[08:50] <pax> speaking of deals, outpost have Hitachi 80GB Retail Hard Drives for $25 Delivered (ar) ;)
[08:50] <holycow> you've watche too many westerns, ol chap
[08:50] <holycow> -_-
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> pax damn
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> pax what about delivered, us
[08:51] <Cooner750> what exactly are "ffmpeg" and "gstreamer0.8"?
[08:51] <Cooner750> I always wondered
[08:51] <epiloc> Computer__Guru, what vid card do you have?
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> Cooner750:  ffmpeg is an mpeg encoding package, and gstreamer is for streaming video/audio
[08:51] <pax> CP, I'm taking US, (ar) means after $35 rebate
[08:51] <hondje> now that I think about it
[08:51] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  you ready for this?
[08:52] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  a 16MB ATI Rage Pro 128 Ultra 4X AGP
[08:52] <epiloc> voodoo!
[08:52] <epiloc> no way!
[08:52] <epiloc> even better
[08:52] <Agrajag> ffmpeg also decodes
[08:52] <Cooner750> Ah. So thats why it works now.  But since i'm on a LiveCD.... um....
[08:55] <hondje> nalioth: heh, I'm keeping it :p
[08:55] <Madpilot> !nvidia
[08:55] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:55] <frank> Cooner750: its still possible to do but you will have to do it everytime you boot
[08:55] <hondje> my minidv camcorder decided it didn't like linux
[08:55] <Computer__Guru> does nvidia have an Xorg server yet?
[08:55] <Cooner750> If I could get GParted to work...... I'd be able to make room on my external USB drive.....
[08:55] <frank> ?
[08:55] <hondje> why would nvidia make an X server
[08:56] <synd> whats the console cmd to find out localip?
[08:56] <Cooner750> GParted keeps giving error message "error occured while resizing partition." or something along the lines of that. However nothing on the partition was damaged...
[08:56] <frank> Cooner750: I think I had the same problem and used qtparted instead
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> isnt that what x loads according to your card? vesa server for i dunno, ati server for ati, radeon server for radeon, nvidia server for nvidia, or i think there's a built in nv server too
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> yeah they're accelerated servers
[08:57] <Computer__Guru> im certain i read that somewhere
[08:57] <Cooner750> is qtparted graphical? I dont feel safe at the command line
[08:57] <frank> Computer__Guru: you're talking about drivers, not servers
[08:57] <frank> Cooner750: qtparted is graphical
[08:58] <Cooner750> installing qtparted from Synaptic now
[08:58] <thejunkpit> anybody has experience running ubuntu under vmware on windows?
[08:58] <anacron> hmm, i just thought that, can i use macintosh drivers to install printer in linux, since thay are both unix based systems? (of course there are drivers for linux) but is this possible?
[08:58] <frank> Cooner750: it fixed my problem resizing a ntfs partition
[08:58] <Cooner750> I hope I dont fill my RAM temporary while doing this... lol. it will freeze
[08:58] <Cooner750> i'm resizing FAT32 on a external USB drive..
[08:58] <Computer__Guru> frank:  they're x-servers.. on woody it was dpkg -i x-server-accel-radeon.version.deb to get the radeon driver working..
[08:59] <hyphenated> anacron: nope
[08:59] <anacron> hyphenated: can you tell me why not?
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> you would look at it in terms of drivers, but they're the actual x servers
[08:59] <Cooner750> ok. qtparted loadng
[08:59] <Cooner750> loading*
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> or at least this was the case with xfree86
[08:59] <Computer__Guru> has it changed?
[08:59] <robotgeek> okay...i've got a weird question, has anyone tried installing tiger without removing ubuntu?
[08:59] <hyphenated> anacron: because binary compatibility is a bit more low-level than the general type of operating system :-)
[09:00] <epiloc> install repositories by editing the sources.list in /etc/apt?
[09:00] <hondje> ifconfig
[09:00] <hondje> http://www.multipledigression.com/type/ <-- nice hack
[09:00] <Cooner750> is 2.7GB enough for Ubuntu (i dont think so)?
[09:00] <frank> Cooner750: yes it is
[09:00] <Cooner750> I have a blank unallocated 2.7GB on my external
[09:00] <Computer__Guru> is there a qt interface to python? yaknow the way there's pygtk?
[09:00] <drcode> hi all
[09:01] <drcode> any one know voice confrence with video server for linux?
[09:01] <drcode> that work with h232 and share desktop ?
[09:01] <hondje> drcode: gnomemeeting
[09:01] <drcode> h323 sorry
[09:01] <ricosuave17> hey can someone help me compile from source
[09:01] <drcode> I mean server
[09:01] <ricosuave17> hello?
[09:01] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: what u need?
[09:01] <ricosuave17> plz i need a gtk engine
[09:02] <Cooner750> I get error "There was a problem with mkfs.ext3"
[09:02] <pax> Cooner750: allow more if you can and try to stay away from qtparted
[09:02] <Cooner750> GParted gives me a error too!?
[09:02] <Razor-X> ricosuave17: if you have Ubuntu, you _have_ a GTK Engine
[09:02] <ricosuave17> i have a gtk engine for experience
[09:02] <Razor-X> althought, GTK isn't an engine
[09:03] <Razor-X> it's o toolkit
[09:03] <ricosuave17> i have a special experience engine
[09:03] <synd> whats the console cmd to find out localip?
[09:03] <ricosuave17> experince is a theme
[09:03] <ricosuave17> so i need to do manual compile
[09:03] <ricosuave17> is there anything i can do
[09:03] <Razor-X> ricosuave17: hmmmm?
[09:03] <Razor-X> a theme is a theme is a theme
[09:03] <robotgeek> :)
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> 0000:02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> ati tv wonder pro
[09:03] <Razor-X> if English isn't your primary language, there are channels for other languages
[09:03] <Computer__Guru> just a cheap ass 878
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> heh
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> dont i feel ripped off
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> oh wait, i stole that card
[09:04] <Computer__Guru> no, i dont
[09:04] <Cooner750> I think i'm heading off to bed.
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> sleep is for the weak
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> bwahaahhaha
[09:05] <Cooner750> lol
[09:05] <Cooner750> I havent had sleep all night last night. Yep. I pulled a all-nighter
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> me too
[09:05] <Madpilot> sleep is a symptom of caffiene deprivation
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> that reminds me
[09:05] <Computer__Guru> how IS your sister these days?
[09:06] <Cooner750> caffiene? I never drink things with caffiene (5 cokes a day)
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> 5 grams of coke a day?!?!
[09:06] <Computer__Guru> my god man, cut back!
[09:06] <hondje> hehe
[09:07] <hondje> anyone doing more than a ball a day has a serious problem :(
[09:07] <Cooner750> lo*burp*l
[09:07] <Computer__Guru> Damnit, Jim!   Well. I accidently typed ubuntu wrong one day and I was the Op of a empty channel... lol
[09:12] <mebaran151_> my streamtuner doesnt work for live365
[09:12] <Computer__Guru> robotgeek:  yes, but there are vast differences between the two and the slangs that developed independantly of one another over the past 200 years
[09:12] <mebaran151_> complain about parsing errors when I load it from shell
[09:12] <frank> mebaran151 do you run Ubuntu64?
[09:12] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  /join #robotgeek
[09:13] <mebaran151_> frank, how DID you guess
[09:13] <robotgeek> Computer__Guru: I know, i learnt the Queen's English first
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> Razor-X:  heard the song lost in hollywood by soad? all you maggots smoking fags out there on sunset boulevard
[09:13] <frank> mebaran151 because streamtuner crashes
[09:13] <Razor-X> gah!
[09:13] <mebaran151_> streamtuner works for me
[09:13] <mebaran151_> everywhere
[09:13] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  /msg ChanServ help register, if you need permanence
[09:13] <mebaran151_> except live365
[09:13] <Razor-X> I don't have a very high opinion of Englanders
[09:13] <Razor-X> but I won't bitch here, because it's not offtopic
[09:13] <frank> mebaran151 because streamtuner crashes on live365
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> bah
[09:13] <robotgeek> eyequeue: join #robotgeek , it isn't fun talking to myself!
[09:13] <Razor-X> and, the hippies may be hearing me ;)
[09:13] <mebaran151_> frank, ah I see
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> england rocks
[09:13] <Cooner750> wow. intresting. I went to #robotchat. and look i'm a Op
[09:13] <Computer__Guru> been there once
[09:14] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, the Britishers can beat your pants
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> london
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> very old city
[09:14] <robotgeek> Razor-X: join #robotgeej!
[09:14] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: yeah, socialist hippy ;)
[09:14] <robotgeek> Razor-X: join #robotgeek!
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> AWESOME clubs
[09:14] <Razor-X> geej?
[09:14] <Computer__Guru> and neutropics :P~
[09:14] <hondje> they prefer englandese
[09:14] <Razor-X> that too
[09:14] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i was just answering this <robotgeek> can i get my own #myownchannel ?
[09:14] <robotgeek> eyequeue: thanks!
[09:14] <Razor-X> most of the Englanders i've talked too still think the Revolution shouldn't have happened
[09:15] <Razor-X> and that we should all be nice, royal citizens
[09:15] <Cooner750> Ok. #robotchat is up and running. lol and i'm a op
[09:15] <Razor-X> Cooner750: that's what happens when you start your own channel XD
[09:15] <mebaran151_> we are discusing Giant Robot Anime
[09:15] <frank> Razor-X: hell, I still am!   This is a Ubuntu channel and where kind of.... talking about Ubuntu..............................
[09:18] <mebaran151_> when you write it correctly ....
[09:18] <Razor-X> it's less restrictive than the languages i've worked with
[09:18] <Razor-X> it feels pretty nice though
[09:18] <mebaran151_> yep, that is what comes from being fully oop
[09:19] <amonkey> flcl? who's talking about fooly cooly
[09:19] <Razor-X> it has a flow of it's own, which is pretty rare nowadays
[09:19] <mebaran151_> not like python where they hacked it on
[09:19] <mebaran151_> yeah
[09:19] <mebaran151_> you tend to try to avoid self unless you are metaprogramming
[09:19] <Razor-X> well, Python has the same feel as C++ OO
[09:19] <mebaran151_> amonkey, I was
[09:19] <Razor-X> it's optional, at best
[09:19] <Cooner750> lol: #cooner750
[09:19] <mebaran151_> C++ is a big set of hacks
[09:19] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  libc6 is basically what (almost) "EVERY" pachage depends upon ... meaning ... you have to be willing to break your whole system for this thing
[09:19] <mebaran151_> it aint no smalltalk
[09:19] <Flying-Penguin> what is a ftp program for linux?
[09:19] <amonkey> it's something you do with your hands, like this
[09:19] <Razor-X> I haven't used smalltalk so *shrugs*
[09:19] <mebaran151_> Flying-Penguin, gftp
[09:19] <Razor-X> just heard it's awesome at scripting
[09:20] <Razor-X> but, i'm wondering what I can do with Ruby
[09:20] <mebaran151_> Ruby is a usable version of smalltalk
[09:20] <robotgeek> I am sticking to Python and C!
[09:20] <Razor-X> i'm actually borrowing a friend's ``Pragmatic Programmer's'' book, 2nd edition
[09:20] <Flying-Penguin> mebaran151_: ok ty
[09:20] <Micksa> where is lifeless when you need him
[09:20] <ricosuave17> oh else the manual compile also give me an error
[09:20] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, yeah good stuff
[09:20] <mebaran151_> what have you gotten through?
[09:20] <mebaran151_> I just took it up about 3 weeks ago
[09:20] <amonkey> is there a fix for the 7 mouse button problem yet?
[09:20] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  just to illustrate, type this (and definitely say no when asked!)  "sudo dpkg --purge libc6"
[09:20] <mebaran151_> and can already do some neato stuff
[09:21] <Cooner750> lol I '/ping cooner750'
[09:21] <mebaran151_> amonkey, you only need a 7 button mouse for FLCL :)
[09:21] <Cooner750> interesting
[09:21] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: the tutorial in Chapter 2
[09:21] <mebaran151_> oh
[09:21] <Razor-X> nothing special yet
[09:21] <mebaran151_> you going straight by the book
[09:21] <Razor-X> yeah, I am
[09:21] <Razor-X> I generally prefer that
[09:21] <Razor-X> i'm amazed at how deftly and quickly they explain the OO concepts
[09:21] <anacron> :D 7 mouse buttons, who need's seven buttons while mac work's fine with one :D
[09:21] <ricosuave17> ok eyequeue can u help me manual compile?
[09:21] <mebaran151_> this is a lot better than the book actually
[09:21] <mebaran151_> written by a core ruby hacker
[09:22] <Razor-X> similar concepts in C#/C++ books take 40 pages themselves
[09:22] <Cooner750> alllright. I think i'm going to bed now.
[09:22] <robotgeek> anacron: ratpoison, "Kill the rodent"
[09:22] <mebaran151_> http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/
[09:22] <Razor-X> robotgeek: ahhh, ratpoison is pretty nice
[09:22] <anacron> haha
[09:22] <mebaran151_> he starts from the very basics and by the end of 6 chapters
[09:22] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: you finished it?
[09:22] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  sounds like it woukd have many dependencies
[09:22] <mebaran151_> you understand metaprogramming
[09:22] <Razor-X> errr
[09:22] <ricosuave17> just one
[09:22] <mebaran151_> no
[09:22] <Cooner750> allllright...... 'night
[09:22] <ricosuave17> want to see the error?
[09:22] <Razor-X> s/you finished it/Is i better than the book?/
[09:22] <mebaran151_> seriously this is a great tutorial
[09:22] <anacron> you guy's are crazy
[09:22] <mebaran151_> I own the book
[09:22] <mebaran151_> and I use it alot
[09:23] <mebaran151_> I dont think I've read every page
[09:23] <mebaran151_> I sort of use like an encyclopedia
[09:23] <jesus-franco> good night Cooner750...
[09:23] <Cooner750> night
[09:23] <frank> good night all!
[09:23] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: I won't read topics that bore me
[09:23] <Cooner750> hopefuly I'll see this room tomorrow, and mine at #cooner750 lol
[09:24] <Razor-X> I just skimmed chapter 1, at best
[09:24] <Cooner750> 'night
[09:24] <ricosuave17> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[09:24] <ricosuave17> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[09:24] <ricosuave17> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[09:24] <ricosuave17> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[09:24] <ricosuave17> configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0) were not met.
[09:24] <ricosuave17> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[09:24] <ricosuave17> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[09:24] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: use #flood or pastebin :)
[09:24] <ricosuave17> sorry
[09:25] <Micksa> why have I no /usr/X11R6/lib/xkb?
[09:25] <robotgeek> though, i wonder how to fix that pkg_config problem
[09:25] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: directly after the book, i'm going to start reading up on what I need to program an RPG in GTK
[09:25] <Razor-X> for portability
[09:25] <frank> Micksa: because you don't have X11R6!
[09:25] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, dont use GTK for that
[09:25] <mebaran151_> I GTK is meant for standard user interface
[09:25] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: what should I use then?
[09:25] <mebaran151_> ruby actually has a whole rpg game language
[09:25] <Razor-X> OpenGL is a huge huge thing
[09:25] <mebaran151_> I forgot the name
[09:26] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: RPG Maker?
[09:26] <mebaran151_> I think that might be it
[09:26] <Razor-X> I heard it uses Ruby, never even knew Ruby was it's own powerful language
[09:26] <mebaran151_> I've never used it
[09:26] <ricosuave17> can someone tell me what that error wants?
[09:26] <nalioth_zZz> cdcameron
[09:26] <Madpilot> if there are any other Opera 8.02 users out there, can you check http://edubuntu.org/ and tell me if the logo is really screwed up?
[09:26] <Razor-X> but, I don't want a maker, that thing does most of it for you
[09:26] <mebaran151_> I dont think so
[09:26] <mebaran151_> there is more to a game than writing base class
[09:26] <ricosuave17> i sue opera
[09:26] <ricosuave17> i use opera
[09:26] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, check out that tutorial
[09:26] <mebaran151_> he writes an RPG
[09:26] <mebaran151_> in the 5th chapter
[09:26] <Madpilot> http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6158/warbard4wf.png  <-- this is what it looks like on my version of Opera...
[09:26] <epiloc> hoorah!
[09:26] <mebaran151_> most simple beautiful code ever
[09:27] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: kickass
[09:27] <Razor-X> but, is it portable?
[09:27] <mebaran151_> yep
[09:27] <mebaran151_> anywhere ruby runs
[09:27] <mebaran151_> text rpg
[09:27] <ricosuave17> it looks cool
[09:27] <mebaran151_> he is most genius
[09:27] <dabar> anyone use ez-ipupdate? I wanna get stuff set up. and the config file is a little screwey, it is a no-ip type of deal, for dns forwarding....
[09:27] <ricosuave17> ok someone plz my error
[09:27] <epiloc> ubuntu installed, wifi card configured, and vid card drivers up and running in less than 2 hours
[09:27] <Razor-X> ahhh, no, I want a graphical RPG
[09:27] <mebaran151_> nah
[09:27] <mebaran151_> but this will form a good base
[09:27] <mebaran151_> in like 40 lines of code
[09:27] <Razor-X> I've programmed RPGs before ;)
[09:27] <Razor-X> that's where my program base started, originally
[09:27] <mebaran151_> he basically writes a class file that will create all your base classes beofre
[09:27] <nalioth_zZz> xframone
[09:27] <Razor-X> before C++, before Java, before C#, before Pascal, before all that crap
[09:27] <mebaran151_> you write a single thing
[09:28] <Razor-X> QBASIC
[09:28] <Razor-X> in all it's elegance
[09:28] <jesus-franco> Madpilot: what is your current display depth?
[09:28] <mebaran151_> dont knock it
[09:28] <eyequeue> i've programmed in RPG too, though a long time ago
[09:28] <ricosuave17> eyequeue,  can u help me man
[09:28] <jonas_30> Hey everyone!, just installed Ubuntu and it rocks! now how do i access the files on my cd's ? :D
[09:28] <jesus-franco> either opera or your monitor is setup wrong
[09:28] <Madpilot> jesus-franco: not sure, and not sure how to check. you mean 16bit vs 32?
[09:28] <mebaran151_> it gives you huge flexibity, because the code writes the traits for each class you create
[09:28] <robotgeek> epiloc: yay!
[09:28] <jesus-franco> linux uses 24
[09:28] <mebaran151_> so dont poo poo it quite so quickly
[09:28] <Razor-X> happier times, happier times ;)
[09:28] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: if you turn out to be mandrake, i'm gonna fucking slap you
[09:29] <Razor-X> then ask you for your autograph
[09:29] <robotgeek> jonas_30: you have to mount them. right click on the cd and say mount
[09:29] <nalioth_zZz> oshiosan
[09:29] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  looks like you would have to upgrade all of gtk and gnome, as well as libc6 ... i don't recommend that at all
[09:29] <ricosuave17> so what can i do now
[09:29] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, http://www.poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-6.html#section3
[09:29] <ricosuave17> ill upgrade gtk and gnome
[09:29] <mebaran151_> check that out
[09:29] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  way too many interdependencies
[09:29] <mebaran151_> near the bottom of the page
[09:29] <ricosuave17> if it need to be done
[09:29] <^rob^> hi
[09:30] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  i can't in good conscience assist that
[09:30] <ricosuave17> how do i upgrade gnome and gtk?
[09:30] <mebaran151_> if you get that code first time through, you are a rather gifted
[09:30] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, what you mean, upgrade gnome and gtk/
[09:30] <ricosuave17> liek update them
[09:30] <^rob^> can somebody tell me which is the package that contain keybord layouts for X - in KDE i have no keyboard layout list (control center)
[09:30] <ricosuave17> gnome and gtk
[09:30] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, to what?
[09:30] <eliUbuntu> how does one use the md5 to check the iso?
[09:30] <ricosuave17> newer versions
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> never did this before =S
[09:31] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, who is mandrake?
[09:31] <eyequeue> ricosuave17:  that is the sort of thing that could break your whole machine, and not something one should do if they don't already know how
[09:31] <mebaran151_> eliUbuntu, dll md5sum
[09:31] <mebaran151_> (I am assuming you are on windows)
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> thats all?
[09:31] <mebaran151_> and run
[09:31] <ricosuave17> well i just updateing alsa
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> thanks then :)
[09:31] <mebaran151_> md5sum myisoname.iso
[09:31] <ricosuave17> nothing wrong with updateing gtk
[09:31] <ricosuave17> and gnome
[09:31] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, newer versions of gnome are only in the development release, which is not really stable right now
[09:31] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: i'm checking it out
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> question
[09:31] <mebaran151_> then just compare the numbers
[09:31] <eliUbuntu> will do
[09:31] <Razor-X> mandrake is an uber programmer ;)
[09:31] <eyequeue> Burgundavia:  he seems to want to replace, at a minimum, libc6, and gtk/gnome
[09:31] <ricosuave17> there is a newer stable
[09:31] <Computer__Guru> where's the option in chanserv to enable auto-opping?
[09:31] <ricosuave17> 10.1
[09:31] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, you never know who I might be ;)
[09:31] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, you already have that
[09:32] <ricosuave17> nop
[09:32] <ricosuave17> it 10
[09:32] <ricosuave17> i checked my version
[09:32] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, it doesn't say it, but you have all the fixes from 10.1 and 10.2
[09:32] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: hahaha
[09:32] <Razor-X> seriously
[09:32] <ricosuave17> fine then how do i update gtk?
[09:32] <Razor-X> i'm gonna fucking slap you, then hold you at gunpoint and get your autograph
[09:32] <mebaran151_> the power of anonymity .......
[09:32] <mebaran151_> because take a look at that classfile
[09:32] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, which version do you want?
[09:32] <Razor-X> the slap just to have felt how it feels to slap the gerat ``Mandrake''
[09:33] <Razor-X> it's like when I talked to Dark Dread
[09:33] <mindspin> short one, OT: whats the command to add a user without a home directory and shell useradd -l ?
[09:33] <Razor-X> awesome awesome man
[09:33] <ricosuave17> the newest gtk 2 version avaliable
[09:33] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, the newest stable gtk you already have
[09:33] <mebaran151_> ricosuave17, uh you dont want the latest
[09:33] <ricosuave17>  hwo do u know that
[09:33] <mebaran151_> the latest is never the greatest
[09:33] <ricosuave17> i want the latest stable
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> so when you do md5sun name.iso and it spits out some numbers, then its ok?
[09:33] <mebaran151_> because you wont have a working GTK at the end of the day
[09:33] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, are you running hoary?
[09:33] <ricosuave17> yes
[09:33] <mebaran151_> eliUbuntu, no
[09:33] <mebaran151_> you compare that number
[09:33] <ricosuave17> but i didnt have the latest alsa drivers
[09:33] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, then you have the latest stable
[09:33] <mebaran151_> to the number they have on the site
[09:33] <eliUbuntu> or should i open the md5 file and compare the numbers?
[09:33] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: what do you suggest I do graphics in?
[09:34] <Razor-X> to make them portable?
[09:34] <mebaran151_> portable is hard
[09:34] <^rob^> is there any industrial theme for kde ?
[09:34] <Razor-X> yeah, I know
[09:34] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, after Hoary released, they froze it and no new versions are going into it
[09:34] <mebaran151_> even GTK isnt THAT portable
[09:34] <mebaran151_> I mean you have to bundle the whole runtime, and the bindings might go weird
[09:34] <Razor-X> but like, at LEAST 82% of the world uses Windows
[09:34] <ricosuave17> why??
[09:34] <eyequeue> eliUbuntu:  those numbers are so you can check *against a known published string* to see if it matches -- IF it does, then it is okay
[09:34] <ricosuave17> then ill use another repostery
[09:34] <Razor-X> and for them, I have to do this
[09:34] <mebaran151_> well the WinAPI is crap for writing an RPG
[09:34] <Agrajag> ricosuave17: that's what a stable release is
[09:34] <nerd> Any one know the name of the Xorg header files package ??
[09:34] <mebaran151_> you would have to get a DirectX sdk
[09:34] <ricosuave17> why does ubuntu have to tell me what to do or not to do
[09:34] <Razor-X> yeah, but i'm a _Linux_ user ;)
[09:34] <mebaran151_> which I think costs money
[09:35] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, SDL
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, it doesn't
[09:35] <mebaran151_> Burgundavia, doesn't?
[09:35] <mebaran151_> cool
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: ahhh, there we are!
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, you have some of the latest stable stuff in the world
[09:35] <Razor-X> SDL is also on Windows
[09:35] <ricosuave17> nop
[09:35] <ricosuave17> i dont
[09:35] <ricosuave17> alsa wasnt latest
[09:35] <Agrajag> ricosuave17: if you want the latest and greatest, run breezy, and expect things to break, because that is what happens when you upgrade package versions in a release
[09:35] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, almost anything newer is unstable
[09:35] <ricosuave17> it was like 10 versions old
[09:35] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, porting from SDL to DirectX
[09:35] <mebaran151_> is not such a big deal
[09:35] <eliUbuntu> eyequeue
[09:35] <eliUbuntu> thanks
[09:35] <mebaran151_> they use pretty similar syntax or so I am told
[09:35] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: how portable is SDL?
[09:35] <eyequeue> eliUbuntu:  yw
[09:36] <mebaran151_> pretty portable
[09:36] <eliUbuntu> and thanks to the others who helped as well
[09:36] <mebaran151_> I think you can install it
[09:36] <Razor-X> excellent
[09:36] <mebaran151_> Unreal for Linux is done in SDL
[09:36] <Razor-X> i'll have to learn SDL in Ruby after the book
[09:36] <Razor-X> really? crazy!
[09:36] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, ubuntu does not put new versions of software into the stable version of Ubuntu
[09:36] <mebaran151_> yeah
[09:36] <mebaran151_> they used SDL because it was portable from the Direct X
[09:36] <ricosuave17> damn ubuntu
[09:36] <eyequeue> lol
[09:36] <mebaran151_> I think all they needed was some ifdef's in the source
[09:36] <Razor-X> ahhh, I see
[09:36] <ricosuave17> well ill deal with this t-morrow
[09:36] <ricosuave17> its so fucken late
[09:37] <Burgundavia> ricosuave17, if you don't want to run ubuntu, there are other distros. Gentoo and FC roll the latest stuff into their "stable" distro
[09:37] <Razor-X> r u thr????!!! XD
[09:37] <Agrajag> haha stable gentoo
[09:37] <Razor-X> ok, I just had to get AOLer out of my system
[09:37] <Agrajag> oh that's a good one
[09:37] <robotgeek> hey..firefox updates??
[09:37] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, from SDL
[09:37] <mindspin> again, for if someone overread it :whats the command to add a user without a home directory and login shell useradd -l ?
[09:37] <mebaran151_> you might call GTK widgets to save
[09:37] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  1.0.6 is in breezy, should be hitting backports soon, i would guess
[09:38] <robotgeek> eyequeue: me still on hoary..ok school!
[09:38] <mebaran151_> SDL will provide the canvas on which you will put your little map screen
[09:38] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, pitti is currently working on backporting the security fixes
[09:38] <mebaran151_> it provides a nice canvas and abstraction
[09:38] <mebaran151_> other wise you would have to go straight into X11
[09:38] <Razor-X> mebaran151_: cool
[09:38] <robotgeek> eyequeue: meant to type, old school!
[09:38] <mebaran151_> Razor-X, we shouldn't clog up the channel
[09:38] <Razor-X> is there a reliable SDL-ruby wrapper?
[09:38] <Razor-X> yeah, let's go to offtopic
[09:39] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  hence i mentioned backports :)  just mentioning breezy as it happened tonight, so "it's in the pipe" heh
[09:39] <robotgeek> eyequeue: i got some updates in the line,  apt-get update && apt-get ugpgrade!!
[09:40] <eyequeue> rob^:  cool
[09:40] <eyequeue> grr xchat
[09:40] <nalioth_zZz> byjameson
[09:41] <Ghete1> how do i make a folder "world readable"?
[09:42] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  o+r chmod /the/directory/name/
[09:42] <laki_keren_1> halo all
[09:42] <laki_keren_1> hi all
[09:42] <jesus-franco> hello
[09:42] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  u=user g=group o=other
[09:43] <_newbie_> good morning
[09:43] <Tobi_> damn kvirc :>
[09:43] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  r=read w=write x=eXecute
[09:43] <jonas_30> cant access files on burned CD help :D
[09:43] <Tobi_> daniels: I just wanted to report that it's still not working with the new x-packages, in case you don't know it.
[09:44] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  o+rx chmod /the/directory/name/ if you want them to be able the "traverse" the directory and list filenames
[09:44] <robotgeek> sic...the firefox packages were some gnome-support things, not 1.0.5/.6...*sigh*, *waits*
[09:44] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  ugh ugh ugh ... syntax error on my part
[09:45] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  chmod o+rx /the/directory/name/
[09:45] <daniels> Tobi_: yeah, found and fixed another couple of problems, will be uploaded next week
[09:45] <mebaran151_> later Razor-X
[09:45] <Tobi_> daniels: and xlibs still won't install. and if it would, it would delete the whole xkeyboard-config stuff.
[09:45] <daniels> Tobi_: right.  that's the one I fixed.
[09:46] <Tobi_> daniels: nice. is there some workaround? it's my work computer and i'm programmer, so it's hard with copy&paste brackets ;))
[09:46] <daniels> Tobi_: heh
[09:46] <jonas_30> anyone plays War2 here ?
[09:46] <Ghete1> eyequeue: thanks
[09:47] <eyequeue> Ghete1:  yw
[09:47] <rommer> does anyone here know how to setup a round robin dns?
[09:47] <daniels> Tobi_: not yet, sorry.  just try forcing an older version installed, rm -rf /etc/X11/xkb, and installing xkeyboard-config (you'll need to force dependencies)
[09:47] <xuniluser> HELP: how do i mount OnTrackDM6 type of HD?
[09:47] <eyequeue> rommer:  i've usually added multiple A lines to the zone file
[09:47] <robotgeek> alrite, l8r guys!
[09:47] <Tobi_> daniels: an older version of xlibs?
[09:48] <qt2> so...
[09:48] <daniels> Tobi_: yeah
[09:48] <qt2> i've managed to mess up my sound badly :x
[09:48] <eyequeue> rommer:  foo A <IP_ADDRESS>   bar A <IP_ADDRESS>    baz A <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:49] <rommer> rommer: what should foo, bar and baz be?
[09:49] <rommer> anything?
[09:49] <jonas_30> help: how do i access files on CD?
[09:50] <eyequeue> rommer:  man, i need sleep, i said that backwards .... should be, for "foo.domain.tld" in the zone file for "domain.tld" three lins like this:
[09:50] <Madpilot> jonas_30: the CD should automount when you close the drive
[09:50] <eyequeue>      A <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:50] <qt2> anyone happen to know how i reset my audio settings to what they were originally?
[09:51] <eyequeue> foo A <IP_ADDRESS>      foo A <IP_ADDRESS>     foo A <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:51] <cyberixae> What is the password for the hoary live cd?
[09:51] <jesus-franco> no
[09:51] <rommer> yea ok
[09:51] <cyberixae> I accidentially locked my screen
[09:51] <eyequeue> rommer:  clearer?  duplicate lines, with just the IPs changing
[09:51] <jesus-franco> cyberixae: just use sudo on the live cd
[09:52] <jesus-franco> there is no password
[09:52] <rommer> yep
[09:53] <qt2> ...guess not. ~_~;
[09:53] <cyberixae> So what is the name of the screen saver proces?
[09:53] <cyberixae> Or is X triggered to die along with it?
[09:54] <jesus-franco> qt2: the only way I would know how is to create another user and remove your current user
[09:54] <jesus-franco> qt2: make sure you give your root a password first
[09:54] <Tobi_> daniels: thanks. gonna try that.
[09:54] <jesus-franco> qt2: sudo passwd root
[09:55] <jesus-franco> qt2: I know... but i dont know of another way
[09:55] <qt2> couldnt i completly remove alsa, oss, and esound, and then reinstall all three?
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> how do you find the trash file in ubuntu?
[09:55] <eliUbuntu> in the terminal
[09:55] <qt2> loke "including config files"
[09:55] <ompaul> cyberixae, X is not triggered to die with it unless you kill X and it then dies with it :) the name escapes me but wait a moment and I find it for you
[09:55] <jesus-franco> qt2: sure but then your gonna need to remove its dependencies aswell
[09:56] <cyberixae> Ok. Thanks
[09:56] <jesus-franco> it would be easier to remove a user
[09:56] <qt2> eliUbuntu, updatedb & locate trash? :D
[09:56] <qt2> jesus-franco, isnt it possible to ignoere dependencies?
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> thanks qt2 :D
[09:56] <IIIEars> qt2 - erm - wonder if reinstalling ubuntu-desktop in synaptic will replace reinstall sound...
[09:56] <cyberixae> I changed the password and got out of the problem
[09:56] <eliUbuntu> will try
[09:56] <cyberixae> thanks
[09:57] <jesus-franco> qt2: dont know
[09:57] <jesus-franco> qt2: im sure theres a better way to fix this, or example removing the configuration file in your home directory but i dont know what files they are
[09:57] <jesus-franco> qt2: maybe someone else here knows...
[09:58] <nalioth_zZz> eliUbuntu: ~/.Trash, and others depending on what DMs you are running
[09:58] <IIIEars> eliubuntu - your trash file is in the home folder - put a check mark in view hidden files
[09:58] <qt2> jeremias, heh, i was editing various files.... :P
[09:58] <Computer__Guru> Linux version 2.6.10-5-686 (buildd@vernadsky) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 Fri Jun 24 17:33:34 UTC 2005
[09:58] <qt2> jesus-franco, so it's not just my home dir... ;)
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> nalioth, qt2, IIIEars, thanks for your help
[09:59] <IIIEars> <<- considering Athlon 64 will - i need nerd skills to install it?
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> now i know where to find it :)
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> to use it you do
[09:59] <eliUbuntu> i tried it
[09:59] <nalioth_zZz> IIIEars: 686 is more user friendly
[10:00] <jesus-franco> qt2: your sound is messed up right, by that you mean the audio setting are wrong
[10:00] <jesus-franco> qt2: those are stored in your home folder
[10:00] <qt2> IIIEars, it takes some effort.
[10:00] <IIIEars> nalioth - erm - this isn't really a rational decision on my part. farcry has a 64 bit mod. - lol
[10:00] <jesus-franco> qt2: I just dont know what files it is
[10:00] <nalioth_zZz> IIIEars: ya lost me, i'm mostly asleep
[10:00] <qt2> jesus-franco, no, its sound overall, for everyone in the system...
[10:01] <eyequeue> eliUbuntu:  ls -la ~/.Trash/
[10:01] <jesus-franco> qt2: oh...I see
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> jesus-franco -- you're the one who made the howto for the ati driver yes?
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> eyequeue
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> thanks:)
[10:01] <eliUbuntu> found it
[10:01] <IIIEars> nalioth - sorry - FarCry is a really good looking and immersive first person shooter. (sheepish grin)
[10:01] <jesus-franco> aliUbuntu: yes I am
[10:01] <jesus-franco> :D
[10:02] <eliUbuntu> good howto - i liked it
[10:02] <jesus-franco> I used documentation that I found on the gentoo wiki, and on the ubuntu forums
[10:02] <eliUbuntu> it proved pretty tough for me to get that installed though. ati drivers are notorious
[10:03] <IIIEars> nalioth - thanks again for your help and advice.
[10:03] <eliUbuntu> next time im gonna get nVidia
[10:03] <eliUbuntu> it works nonetheless
[10:03] <eliUbuntu> :)
[10:04] <nalioth_zZz> IIIEars: make ya a seperate partition to play with it
[10:04] <IIIEars> eliubuntu - yep - nVidia is a bit easier. - but for a home pvr the ati all in wonder card is all there is
[10:04] <IIIEars> Hm - excellent idea.
[10:04] <eliUbuntu> so, you're saying that ati is better than nVidia?
[10:05] <jesus-franco> couldnt of been done without teumima, great how to on the forums
[10:05] <jesus-franco> ati's all in wonder is good for a pvr he said
[10:05] <jesus-franco> nVidia however had better support for linux
[10:05] <Micksa> got a url?
[10:05] <IIIEars> nah - just that personal video recording software on linux is the next really big thing.
[10:05] <Micksa> I'm been researching PVR stuff a bit
[10:06] <eliUbuntu> pvr... means...
[10:06] <jesus-franco> personal video recorder
[10:06] <thain> anyone else noticed problems with firefox's security update?
[10:06] <xuniluser> Does anyone knows how to mount a harddrive with this type "OnTrackDM6"
[10:06] <mebaran151_> mencoder: the best encoder out there
[10:06] <mebaran151_> thanks to codec par none
[10:06] <eliUbuntu> oh, so better importing dv
[10:07] <IIIEars> personal video recorder. - time shift your programs to watch when you are ready. skip through commercials
[10:07] <mebaran151_> xuniluser, quoi?
[10:07] <qt2> jesus-franco, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063 <- i follow this, and i cant seem to reverse the effects now.
[10:07] <thain> firefox crashes when i try to open a new tab (i'm using the tab extensions)
[10:07] <mebaran151_> OnTrackDM6 looks like a name
[10:07] <mebaran151_> what is the fs on the drive
[10:07] <jesus-franco> qt2: that tutorial messed up the sound in your computer ?
[10:08] <jesus-franco> or was it something else...
[10:08] <djp> thain: only just updated this morning... just tried opening a new tab, using CTRL-T, and worked fine. not using the "tab extension" here though
[10:09] <qt2> jesus-franco, nope, it was that tutuorial...
[10:09] <eliUbuntu> you guys ever heard of gnome-launch-box?
[10:09] <eliUbuntu> great program
[10:09] <eliUbuntu> and happy to find it in the repos
[10:09] <jesus-franco> link? :)
[10:09] <qt2> jesus-franco, almost positive.
[10:10] <thain> djp: it crashed when i disabled the extensions. after starting it again the extensions were disabled but ctrl-t still crashed it...
[10:10] <qt2> thain, tried uninstalling them?
[10:10] <qt2> jesus-franco, talking to me?
[10:10] <jesus-franco> qt2: it seems easy to fix it. Remove the file /etc/asound.conf
[10:10] <qt2> jesus-franco, tried that... didnt work.
[10:10] <jesus-franco> and remove libesd-alsa0
[10:10] <djp> thain: strange...just tried again, opened 5 tabs without any problem. will keep an eye on that though.
[10:11] <thain> djp: hmm perhaps it's the -gnome-support
[10:11] <thain> i remember i had problems with openoffice's add-on gnome support...
[10:11] <eliUbuntu> http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box#About_GNOME_Launch_Box
[10:11] <thain> djp: that did it, it was the gnome support
[10:11] <djp> thain: i gather you are running hoary?
[10:11] <thain> djp: yes
[10:12] <djp> ok, great thain
[10:12] <djp> you can start tabbing again! ;)
[10:12] <thain> djp: well thanks anyway, even if it wasn't the tab stuff :)
[10:12] <thain> argh...
[10:12] <thain> it started again
[10:12] <thain> x)
[10:12] <_mike> is there an ftp server i can get kubuntu live from? im only seeing http
[10:13] <thain> djp: now i can't manage to open the extensions window at all
[10:13] <jesus-franco> does anyone know why firefox 1.04 in the backports repository depends on gcc4-base :o
[10:13] <eliUbuntu> good question
[10:13] <eliUbuntu> no clue
[10:14] <eliUbuntu> had to correct the version number though in the about:config
[10:14] <thain> you could easily backport gcc4-base if it's at all similar to gcc-3.3-base and gcc-3.4-base :)
[10:14] <thain> empty package with no dependencies
[10:14] <_mike> is there an ftp server i can get kubuntu live from? im only seeing http
[10:15] <epiloc> what is a good gnome-based cd burning utility?
[10:15] <eliUbuntu> _mike you should try the mirrors
[10:15] <Madpilot> epiloc: gnomebaker
[10:15] <lhb> epiloc: gnomebaker
[10:15] <eliUbuntu> its on the ubuntulinux.org site
[10:15] <Madpilot> epiloc: some stuff you can burn thru Nautilus, too. handy
[10:16] <_mike> elibuntu, are they on kubuntu.org or ubuntu.org?
[10:16] <epiloc> does gnomebaker come with ubuntu>
[10:16] <epiloc> ?
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> hmmm... ubuntu, not kubuntu - sorry for the misguiding =S
[10:16] <djp> anyone know why (very) occassionally, when starting up hoary, after logging in from the gdm, only the background colour appears and... that's it! i have to restart the machine and then everything is fine. This has probably only happened on a couple of ocassions however.
[10:16] <_mike> its cool
[10:16] <jesus-franco> epiloc: no it does not
[10:16] <Madpilot> epiloc: it's in the repos
[10:16] <user1000> Hi how is everyone doing?
[10:16] <user1000> :)
[10:16] <eliUbuntu> djp never had that problem
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> gnomebaker?
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> yes it is
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> just installed it recently
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> doing well here
[10:17] <epiloc> eliUbuntu, how did you install?
[10:17] <rommer> does anyone here know how to setup a round robin dns?
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> through synaptic
[10:17] <epiloc> k
[10:17] <eliUbuntu> i searched gnomebaker
[10:17] <epiloc> thx
[10:18] <Svennelito> argh... alsa-problems here. Anybody know how to get the microphone working? (sound playback works fine)
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> and voila there it was
[10:18] <thain> djp: disabling both the tab extensions and gnome support seems to get me further; no crashes yet...
[10:18] <djp> good thain
[10:18] <ompaul> user1000, good
[10:18] <epiloc> does gnomebaker burn iso's?
[10:18] <eliUbuntu> yes
[10:18] <user1000> :)
[10:18] <Madpilot> epiloc: yes
[10:19] <djp> i wondered if my problem  was graphic card driver related. i use the nv driver with my geforce2 card.
[10:19] <epiloc> installing now... awesome
[10:19] <Adross> anyone know some good osxdock programs for gnome?
[10:19] <holycow> offtopic, but i gotta say, the last few dilberts have been awfully clever
[10:19] <epiloc> and how does everyone like evolution for handling mail?
[10:19] <Madpilot> good night/morning/day/whatever, everyone
[10:20] <djp> epiloc: i use evolution and mutt
[10:20] <IIIEars> epiloc - thunderbird is a bit easier to configure. evolution can make nicer looking mail.
[10:20] <jesus-franco> epiloc: it integrates well with the rest of gnome, and it is very fast, and has more features then thunderbird
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> i dont use evo, not very good i thought
[10:21] <eliUbuntu> like thunderbird
[10:21] <Svennelito> i use tbird as well
[10:22] <qt2> so yeah...
[10:22] <ArdieM> ive installed kubuntu and when i try to start it i get this error: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[10:23] <epiloc> gnome is so much faster than kde
[10:23] <epiloc> but jesus its ugly
[10:23] <epiloc> sorry :(
[10:24] <qt2> epiloc, it can be made 'pretty'
[10:24] <ArdieM> is ther eonly gnome and kde preinstalled with ubuntu?
[10:25] <IIIEars> epiloc - KDE is nicer looking out of the box, spent a bit of time personalizing gnome's appearence. - pretty simple and amazingly flexible.
[10:25] <thain> i thought kde is faster; i use gnome because it looks better :)
[10:25] <pinoyraja> hello
[10:25] <ArdieM> kde is one of the slowest ^^
[10:25] <thechitowncubs> kde vs gnome war over
[10:25] <thechitowncubs> use what you like
[10:25] <thechitowncubs> no one cares
[10:26] <ArdieM> the developers do
[10:26] <ArdieM> :) lets go to the developers channel and spam
[10:26] <Ribs> Hi, anyone having problems with amarok?
[10:26] <deFrysk> I care
[10:26] <IIIEars> epiloc - check out - preferences > themes - gnomelook.org  has even more.
[10:26] <Ribs> When I start amarok now, it just quits after opening the main window
[10:27] <ArdieM> epiloc: hm hm "dropline gnome"
[10:27] <thechitowncubs> ribs, i am
[10:27] <IIIEars> Gnome and emacs on an ext3 filesystem - VI suxors - wild goofy grin
[10:28] <Ribs> thechitowncubs: Same problem as me?
[10:28] <thechitowncubs> the ubuntu version is old
[10:28] <Ribs> it was working for ages, then suddenly did this
[10:28] <Ribs> even deleteing .kde/share/apps/amarok didn't fix it
[10:28] <ArdieM> wich fs should i use for root home and boot?
[10:28] <thechitowncubs> Ribs, yes, mine occasionaly hangs on the start, usually it works it self out after a reboot or the removal of the ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok directory
[10:28] <thechitowncubs> lol ribs
[10:28] <thechitowncubs> you thought of the same thing i did
[10:28] <deFrysk>  /boot would be ext3 or ext2
[10:28] <Ribs> thechitowncubs: :)
[10:29] <Ribs> thechitowncubs: people who use amarok a lot often have to do that, I think :)
[10:29] <deFrysk>  /home noone cares
[10:29] <IIIEars> heh
[10:29] <ArdieM> and rooT?
[10:29] <deFrysk> root would be 4 me ext3
[10:29] <thechitowncubs> Ribs: the ubuntu package is out of date and i don't like that :'(
[10:30] <ArdieM> okay than i use ext3 on all
[10:30] <ArdieM> as i did
[10:30] <ArdieM> before :)
[10:30] <Ribs> thechitowncubs: Well yeah, it will be. All hoary version numbers are fixed unless security updates come out
[10:30] <deFrysk> ext3 is safe and compatible with ext2 sou always safest choice
[10:30] <thechitowncubs> Ribs: i know that
[10:30] <deFrysk> so*
[10:31] <Ribs> oh well
[10:31] <Ribs> I'll settle with beep for now, I guess
[10:31] <IIIEars> epiloc - check out this link for an even more personal looking gnome. "alltray" borderless windows+ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38938
[10:33] <Svennelito> can i use alsa for input source?
[10:35] <IIIEars> .
[10:35] <ArdieM> why gnome as standard???
[10:35] <ArdieM> what are the pros?
[10:35] <deFrysk> ArdieM, why kde ?
[10:36] <IIIEars> !desktops
[10:36] <ubotu> IIIEars: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:36] <epiloc> IIIEars, transparent terminal looks tasty :)
[10:36] <IIIEars> !desktop
[10:36] <ubotu> IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[10:36] <IIIEars> agh - ubotu the amnesiac
[10:36] <taz> lol @ ubotu
[10:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> My DVD playback is very sluggish....wot are the causes?
[10:37] <ArdieM> [10:36:20]  [ubotu]  IIIEars: Are you smoking crack?
[10:37] <ArdieM> HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA
[10:37] <IIIEars> epiloc - you can do that allready no need for alltrat except to remove window borders
[10:37] <deFrysk> since when is a bot funny ?
[10:38] <IIIEars> epiloc bring up a terminal and "edit" > "current profile"
[10:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can some1 help?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> LuNaTiK^GuY, have you enabled DMA?
[10:39] <IIIEars> LuNaTiK^GuY, - we can sure try. (psst no ned to ask if you can ask a question we don't bite.)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> LuNaTiK^GuY, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[10:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no i havent eneable DMA yet
[10:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> should i?
[10:40] <Burgundavia> LuNaTiK^GuY, yes
[10:40] <Amaranth> LuNaTiK^GuY: Yeah, it should make DVD playback work _much_ better.
[10:41] <jonas_30> Anyone here used Xp and can help me switch?
[10:41] <epiloc> ok, i am having a little trouble setting up evolution
[10:41] <epiloc> smtp server is good....
[10:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i'll try it then
[10:41] <deFrysk> anyone using xp is beyond help :s
[10:42] <epiloc> incoming server is good, user name is set, but cant find where to put password?
[10:42] <jsgotangco> deFrysk: that's not a good thing to say for new people trying to dive in
[10:42] <epiloc> for evolution
[10:42] <IIIEars> epiloc - yep - evo is painful to configure - afraid only trial and error is effective.
[10:42] <epiloc> where do i input my password?
[10:42] <epiloc> its the last step!
[10:43] <visor> epiloc: what are you trying to do my friend?
[10:43] <epiloc> there is even a checkbox to 'remember password'
[10:43] <epiloc> but there is nowhere to type my password in the first place!
[10:43] <jonas_30> defrysk: true i cant understand, if its free, how come you have to pay to play a game you just bought... :D
[10:43] <epiloc> visor, i am trying to configure evolution
[10:44] <lok> trying ? is it so hard ?
[10:44] <visor> epiloc: with pop3 and smtp and the like?
[10:44] <epiloc> visor, if you have any experience with evo, please stop by
[10:44] <epiloc> yes
[10:44] <deFrysk> jonas_30, ?
[10:44] <epiloc> lok, no...  but the password box is hiding somewhere
[10:44] <IIIEars> epiloc - try getting and sending mail it might just bring up a password box then.  at least thunderbird does it that way.
[10:44] <epiloc> :)
[10:44] <epiloc> tried that
[10:44] <epiloc> no avail
[10:45] <deFrysk> epiloc, it should
[10:46] <epiloc> it just says "fetching mail"
[10:46] <deFrysk> epiloc, sounds like you are trying to set up gmail ?
[10:48] <deFrysk> jonas_30, I'd rather not be privated unasked and even not privated at all
[10:49] <epiloc> deFrysk, no... Evo
[10:49] <IIIEars> epiloc - i just configured it. when you finish configuration it brings up a password box on first use
[10:49] <jonas_30> Sorry, Am just from another planet
[10:50] <IIIEars> epiloc if it isn't doing that i might try unchecking "remember password" then getting mail
[10:50] <deFrysk> epiloc, make sure the pop-server settings are correct
[10:50] <epiloc> lol, tried that too
[10:50] <epiloc> im missing something simple here... one sec
[10:51] <comadreja> where is the networking configuration for startup ? because I have no auto eth0 line on my interfaces file, and it gets up
[10:51] <IIIEars> epiloc - there is a button "check for supported types"  click it. open the drop down box beside it and non usable options will be crossed out.
[10:51] <volvoguy> does anyone have any firsthand tips on setting up a non-system/non-boot set of drives with RAID 1?
[10:52] <visor> comadreja: in System, Administration, Network devices or something like that (i have the system installed in spanish so i dont know how it is on english)
[10:52] <comadreja> visor, I know, but I want to edit the file by hand
[10:54] <epiloc> hmm, sendmail server is fine
[10:54] <epiloc> the pop server must be down
[10:54] <epiloc> which does happen time to time
[10:54] <Flying-Penguin> what is the xmms plugin that lets you play .mp3s and wmas???
[10:54] <visor> comadreja: /etc/network and /etc/init.d/ifupdown
[10:54] <volvoguy> Flying-Penguin: you probably want libmad
[10:54] <IIIEars> Flying-Penguin, w32codecs??
[10:54] <comadreja> visor, nopes, it's not that file
[10:55] <comadreja> visor I have it down on that file, and on startup it get ups
[10:55] <visor> comadreja: you want the files that start's the network interfaces or what?
[10:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> I put DMA on my drives...and now both Totem and Xine exit when i try to play a DVD
[10:55] <comadreja> visor : yes, but there must be something else, because I have no configuration for eth0 on that file and it gets up
[10:56] <knudsen_> Hello. I would like to get acces to a printer connected to a windows computer on my network. Could anybody give me a hint where to start?
[10:56] <Flying-Penguin> volvoguy: yes I think thats what I was looking for
[10:57] <knudsen_> I have installed Samba, and I can connect to the Windows computer
[10:57] <visor> comadreja: ok let me get this straight, your interface activates at startup but there is no info on any of those files for eth0 so you want to know where the info for eth0 is?
[10:58] <visor> knudsen_: System, Administration, printers -> New printer
[10:58] <comadreja> visor : that's it
[10:58] <LuNaTiK^GuY> I cant even eject my drive now :(
[10:59] <knudsen_> visor: I guess I have to choose "network printer" and then "windows printer (smb)" ... am I right?
[11:00] <visor> knudsen_ yes
[11:00] <comadreja> visor : it's gotta be some hotplug thing
[11:01] <knudsen_> visor: Thanks ... now it works (I must have done something wrong the last time I tried this :-))
[11:01] <visor> comadreja: i think that hotplug manages the network or something
[11:02] <visor> comadreja: /etc/network/interfaces has info about this
[11:02] <comadreja> visor : me too... I'll check the hotplug docs, thanks a lot
[11:03] <volvoguy> Flying-Penguin: glad I could help. :)
[11:05] <epitron> hey, what's the best sound mixer to use? esd is default, but it feels pretty crappy compared to windows' directx sound mixer..
[11:05] <luminerd> How much of this is true...I've never really seen a cheap machine fail - or any machine really, except my laptop's hard drive...but if I get 50 of them what are the chances of failure?"cheap machines fail, you get what you pay for.  We've seen approx FIVE TIMES the failure rate in the Celeron machine I quoted over the AMD machine."
[11:05] <daves> evning all :)
[11:05] <epitron> has anyone tried the other ones, like arts, alsa, etc?
[11:05] <deFrysk> esd works fine for me
[11:06] <epitron> deFrysk: don't you notice the mixing lag?
[11:06] <deFrysk> no
[11:06] <epitron> and the slowness when you adjust the volume?
[11:06] <Flying-Penguin> volvoguy: that didn't make wma work :(
[11:06] <deFrysk> no
[11:06] <epitron> hrm. do you have an SBlive?
[11:06] <deFrysk> no
[11:06] <deFrysk> ;p
[11:06] <epitron> :)
[11:06] <epitron> why do you think i've got lag?
[11:07] <daves> from lastnight I got Openoffice installed via dgpk but via synaptic it's not shown as being installed but in a local setting and it's installed in the menus any help ???
[11:07] <deFrysk> epiloc, dunno but you can alway try alsa or arts if you wish
[11:07] <lok> epitron>> your can be too slow, your sound card isn't well supporetd etc...
[11:08] <rob^> daves, why did you use dpkg, its part of a default ubuntu install
[11:08] <epitron> my isn't too slow... it is a crappy sound card though :)
[11:08] <deFrysk> epiloc, in gnome just hit gstreamer-properties and set it up for alsa
[11:08] <deFrysk> and test what suits you
[11:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can ubuntu use a soundblaster live! 5.1 card?
[11:08] <epitron> interesting
[11:09] <epitron> i thought gstreamer was a codec thing...
[11:09] <lok> nope
[11:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and can i control the features of the card like i would be able to in windows
[11:09] <deFrysk> ChurcH_of_FoamY, alsamixer
[11:09] <lok> daves>> openoffice is installed by default
[11:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[11:10] <daves> ya but u want the latest openoffice 2.0 beta :)
[11:10] <rob^> daves, what for?
[11:11] <volvoguy> Flying-Penguin: for wma i think you need the w32codecs package. i don't use it so i'm not sure if it's in multiverse or some external repository like marillat.
[11:11] <lok> daves>> OOo.org 2.0 isn't really stable
[11:11] <lok> if you really want it, use the backports
[11:11] <kestas> I cant wait for OOo base
[11:12] <epitron> OOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
[11:12] <epitron> hey, what's that 3rd o for?
[11:12] <daves> rob^, lok: got a slowish pc and via windows it's quite fast for startup than the stable so thought to do the same for linux
[11:12] <lok> I dunno I'm just putting the maximum amount of O in it :)
[11:12] <rob^> daves, a big no-no really
[11:13] <daves> rob^: why ?
[11:14] <rob^> daves, because you don't need the latest packages for everything, and often Linux betas are less stable then windows ones (for projects such as OOo anyway)
[11:15] <daves> ya but the startup time still sucks :(.
[11:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, that it is incorrect
[11:15] <rob^> daves, yes, theres not much we can do about that
[11:15] <Burgundavia> rob^, the reason that windows seems less stable is that we don't see the true bets
[11:15] <Burgundavia> s/bets/betas
[11:15] <volvoguy> isn't there a package that makes OpenOffice start faster?
[11:15] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, in linux we do, hence less stable
[11:16] <lok> volvoguy ?
[11:16] <Burgundavia> volvoguy, yes
[11:16] <Burgundavia> lok, basically preloads openoffice during boot
[11:16] <lok> well
[11:16] <volvoguy> thought so. i rarely use OO, so it's never been a big issue here.
[11:16] <lok> it's not really faster for me
[11:17] <se7enone> Why does MS office (word + excel etc) open so quickly, and openoffice.org takes about as long as photoshop to start up...?
[11:17] <rob^> you could always try abiword
[11:17] <rob^> much faster
[11:17] <Burgundavia> abiwords is quite nice
[11:17] <daves> Burgundavia, rob^: can you help me with grub ?? when it installed it only got the linux distro, have another HD with w2k any hints as to getting it setup ?
[11:17] <volvoguy> i second abiword. i much prefer it to OO.
[11:17] <Burgundavia> daves, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[11:17] <Burgundavia> daves, that might help you
[11:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> dvd's on xine run perfectly....while on totem they are very sluggish
[11:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> why?
[11:18] <daves> Ya but as i've got OOo thought it'd be good to get the updated version
[11:18] <lok> se7enone>> word quickly ???
[11:18] <lok> faster than OOo but not really quick
[11:18] <Burgundavia> LuNaTiK^GuY, no idea
[11:18] <daves> Burgundavia : thanks will check it out
[11:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> both use libdvdcss2 i guess......
[11:18] <rob^> LuNaTiK^GuY, I get this also, solution: dont use totem
[11:18] <Burgundavia> rob^, totem is quite nice
[11:19] <Burgundavia> I have never had those issues
[11:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i should remove totem yes...and get xmms for music
[11:19] <rob^> Burgundavia, yes, but on my pc runs like crap
[11:19] <lok> LuNaTiK^GuY>> use totem-xine
[11:19] <daves> Burgundavia: my box is a amd 500k6-2 wit @ 386meg ram ...
[11:19] <rob^> mplayer much nicer
[11:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a media player that sort of fits everything?
[11:20] <daves> LuNaTiK^GuY : had probs last night got gstreamer0.8-mad via synaptic and bang music to my ears :)
[11:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i followed the guide...and got all the codecs listed
[11:20] <lok> using totem for music is a bit too heavy for me
[11:21] <Burgundavia> totem is not heavy
[11:21] <daves> <LuNaTiK^GuY: Totem... video mp3 and ... I used it with MDK b4 i moved to ubuntu
[11:21] <lok> and not really make for it
[11:21] <Burgundavia> but it is also not a music player
[11:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes but totem isnt playing good with my dvd's
[11:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> while xine is smooth
[11:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot is totem-xine?
[11:22] <lok> Burgundavia>> it's heavy when I just want to play a music
[11:22] <Burgundavia> lok, ya
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> when i play music on totem...the colour display thing is sluggish too
[11:22] <lok> LuNaTiK^GuY>> it's totem but it use libxine instead of gstreamer ones
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> so i guess it has to do with totem's rendering
[11:22] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hmm ic
[11:23] <lok> rhythmbox is more designed to play music than totem
[11:23] <Burgundavia> muine is also nice
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and xmms?
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[11:23] <lok> xmms is old and ugly :)
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ugly?
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its small
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> simple
[11:23] <Bubbling_Zombie> so is BMP
[11:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and never gave me probs?
[11:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i just impressed my buddy with 3ddesktop
[11:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> he remained jaw-dropped
[11:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[11:25] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now...for serious stuff...is there a way to configure my nvidia driver further? tweak it a little?
[11:26] <bina> lo all, does Kubuntu (or ubuntu, not sure which to isntall atm) do disk partitioning for you?  and also how easy is it to upgrade between distros, do you have to download the ISOs each time?
[11:26] <bina> many questions :)
[11:26] <hondje> bina: Yes, very, no
[11:26] <lok> LuNaTiK^GuY>> there is a nvidia panel no ?
[11:26] <hondje> lok: run 'nvidia-settings' in a terminal
[11:26] <volvoguy> BMP - "Beep Media Player" is quite impressive for a simple media player.
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lok, cant find it
[11:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[11:26] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows where will luminocity be available in ubuntu?
[11:27] <lok> volvoguy>> it's just xmms but a bit more heavy :)
[11:27] <bina> hondje: wicked :)  atm, I have a fat32 partition and FC4 using ext3 and LVM something :).  Can it get rid of those and just use the whole HDD or do I need to delete the partitions first?
[11:27] <Burgundavia> BockBilbo, no idea. have seen no sign of anyone packaging it yet
[11:27] <hondje> bina: you can do it in the installer if you want
[11:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i want to improve the performance...nvidia-settings only shows stuff about colour etc etc
[11:28] <bina> hondje: goooood :) im feeling lazy today :)
[11:28] <volvoguy> lok: i thought just the opposite - less configs to mess with and it usually "just works". everybody listens to music differently though.
[11:28] <lok> LuNaTiK^GuY>> it's not windows
[11:28] <hondje> LuNaTiK^GuY: read the 'readme' on nvidia's linux driver page for options you can add to xorg.conf
[11:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i will
[11:28] <lok> you haven't really perf to improve
[11:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks :)
[11:28] <BockBilbo> but, Burgundavia is it stable already?
[11:28] <hondje> also, you can install nvclock-gtk if you want to overclock it
[11:29] <mridle> bina:  get rid of those if you want, all you need is a swap-
[11:29] <lok> BockBilbo>> no
[11:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no i dont want any overclocking
[11:29] <BockBilbo> it looks so great
[11:29] <Burgundavia> BockBilbo, no
[11:29] <mridle> bina:  swap partition and /
[11:29] <hondje> make /home it's own partition too
[11:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> just that graphics seem to run smoother in windows...i tot i mite get the same here
[11:29] <hondje> that way if you switch distros, you can keep your stuff
[11:29] <BockBilbo> but.. i guess it will be added to metacity once its stable, right?
[11:29] <bina> mridle: cool. thanks
[11:29] <bina> hoary is the stable version yes?
[11:29] <mridle> yes
[11:29] <bina> 5. something
[11:30] <lok> BockBilbo>> it's too early for using it now
[11:30] <mridle> 5.04
[11:30] <mridle> or so
[11:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 5.04 yes
[11:30] <bina> sweet :) tthanks again all
[11:30] <BockBilbo> lok, i see
[11:30] <mridle> gl hf ;)
[11:30] <volvoguy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:30] <BockBilbo> and, is there a date scheduled for it to be stable?
[11:30] <lok> no
[11:30] <hondje> 'when e17 goes final'
[11:31] <lok> :)
[11:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> volvoguy, 10ks
[11:31] <volvoguy> (some nvidia twealomg info.
[11:31] <Burgundavia> hondje, rofl
[11:31] <BockBilbo> thanks for all
[11:32] <volvoguy> LuNaTiK^GuY: there's a few other nvidia related pages on the wiki that might help also. FYI.
[11:33] <volvoguy> e17 looks like it's going to be cool though - if someone besides rasterman is able to compile/run it. :)
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks volvoguy
[11:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll check them out
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> did i say Ubuntu is awesome :)
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> an so is this channel
[11:35] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !!
[11:35] <ubotu> ! is probably what u add before a sentence to talk to me
[11:35] <volvoguy> my pleasure. when running Hoary, my GeForce 5200 (pretty modest) totally rocked.
[11:35] <hondje> lol
[11:36] <hondje> volvoguy: I haven't had much trouble getting e17 to build
[11:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm on a 6800
[11:36] <hondje> other than sourceforge's cvs going down a lot
[11:36] <volvoguy> hondje: i haven't tried very hard, but i never really got it working quite right.
[11:37] <hondje> lot of deps for the fun features, though
[11:37] <hondje> lot of apt-cache search required the first time :(
[11:38] <volvoguy> yeah. i think i followed some directions on ubuntuforums instead of using the official instructions. that's probably my problem.
[11:39] <volvoguy> if i keep thinking about it tonight though, i'll end up trying again all night instead of sleeping. :)
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes Linux has a way of keeping us all awake :)
[11:40] <volvoguy> mhmm...
[11:40] <retro83> very much so... :)
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> someties its fun
[11:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> sometimes is.......ewwwww
[11:41] <volvoguy> i've been trying to get foresight/rpath installed to play with some of the mono stuff, but it doesn't seem to like my system. i've been bugging their IRC channel about it for three days. :)
[11:42] <nessmuk> I'm reinstalling hoary, but there are probs with my cd. I know that somewhere there are instructions for directing Synaptic to update to hoar from a warty install. Can anyone help me find that information?
[11:42] <volvoguy> anyone know what "ide0 at 0x1fe-ox1f0, ox3f6 on irq 14" means?
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ide0...a hard drive
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> using an irq 14 line
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i think :S
[11:43] <volvoguy> hehe. yes. thank you. ;-)
[11:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm just a noob thats learning bit by bit :)
[11:44] <Brik> hallo what is the lib to see wmv with totem-xine?
[11:44] <volvoguy> that's where their installer just simply stops. neither ther IRC channel or the #linux channel have ever heard of anything like that.
[11:45] <volvoguy> Brik: you probably want the w32codecs package.
[11:45] <Brik> tnx
[11:45] <retro83> Volvo - have you tried with ACPI set off?
[11:45] <volvoguy> np. it's either in multiverse or marillat's repo.
[11:46] <Brik> oki
[11:46] <tim_> whats the command to open an application from the command line, but it wont 'lock' that command line?
[11:46] <volvoguy> retro83: yeah, i've tried a million different boot flags - nothing IRQ related to tweak in the bios either.
[11:47] <killapop> tim: put and & after the prog name
[11:47] <Computer__Guru> hey guys how do i see someones custom status message in yahoo?
[11:47] <volvoguy> Hoary, Breezy and Gentoo all installed fine on this machine, so I'm thinking it's their bug.
[11:47] <retro83> volvoguy: oh dear, i have no idea then...
[11:47] <tim_> perfect. thanks killa
[11:47] <killapop> tim: eg. #gaim &
[11:47] <noahmd> Hey all.
[11:47] <killapop> tim_: np
[11:48] <volvoguy> s'ok. thanks retro83.
[11:49] <daves> killapop: so np is to start a cli app and run in background what is it to bring it back into the forground of a cli ?
[11:50] <volvoguy> i need to crash. i'll catch y'all tomorrow. g'night!
[11:50] <lhb> for those kind of stuff i normally use screen
[11:51] <killapop> daves: i didnt get ur q.
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> in my xorg.conf file
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the device section only contains this
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Section "Device"
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800] "
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> EndSection
[11:52] <daves> killapop: tim_ asked about starting an app (i assume) via a terminal (cli) and it was suggested #gaim & would free
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but in thw wiki about modifying the nvidia driver
[11:52] <astro76> daves: fg %jobnumber, jobs will lists running tasks
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> there are lots of other entires
[11:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot shall i do?
[11:52] <astro76> daves, search for bash job control
[11:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OptimizingNvidia?highlight=%28nvidia%29
[11:53] <gjc> can anyone please confirm, archive.ubuntu.com breezy repo has MD5Sum mismatch, right?
[11:54] <daves> astro76: Ah thanks abit like lfpt .... got 2 files/ whatever going and fg0 for 1st and fg1 for other and ctrl-z to but 'em in the background
[11:54] <killapop> daves: putting an & after the prog name frees up the cli
[11:54] <nessmuk> can someone tell me what breezy is, compared to hoary? Is it the next release/version after hoary?
[11:54] <epitron> can alsa let multiple programs output to it simultaneously?
[11:55] <killapop> daves: i used gaim as an example.
[11:55] <daves> killapop: gathered that but it was more howto bring it back to the foreground on the cli :)
[11:56] <tim_> where is the config file for ssh servers?
[11:56] <daves> killapop: ya i was using u'r example of gaim in my post :)
[11:56] <killapop> daves: :) oops... dunno how to do that... i usually use to launch apps
[11:56] <Nameeater> has anyone had any trouble with opera and printing?
[11:56] <killapop> daves: apps with GUIs
[11:58] <daves> killapop:well astro76 answered it no not nessasarily eg wvdial... I use it via cli, GTdial just wont dial out
[11:58] <daves> and it'd be nice to have it ticking away in the background until i need it to disconnect to the net.
[11:59] <Computer__Guru> brb
[11:59] <killapop> daves: oo ok... never done anything like that. :)
[12:00] <daves> tried GTdial but .... nothing nada, thought'd be good to have as a visual sign of being online
[12:01] <kisain> i am so pissed >.<
[12:02] <kisain> ican't beleve i wasted a perfectly good ubuntu install on windows >.<
[12:02] <Computer__Guru> kisain: HUH?
 got the website you referred me to on grub & win 2000 have altered menu.lst so next time i boot it'll be interesting to see if i can boot w2k :)
[12:03] <Burgundavia> daves, cool
[12:03] <Burgundavia> kisain, you installed windows after ubuntu?
[12:03] <hondje> who is captain hotplug around here? :(
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> i know enough about hotplug to make my joystick work thats about it
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> dmesg | grep -i kye:
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> input: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [KYE Genius USB Wheel Mouse]  on usb-0000:00:1f.2-1
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> and my mouse :D
[12:04] <kisain> godd@m windows >.<
[12:04] <hondje> hehe
[12:04] <kisain> it's me church _of_FoamY
[12:04] <Computer__Guru> whats up church
[12:05] <hondje> usb 3-1: config 1 interface 0 altsetting 0 has 3 endpoint descriptors, different from the interface descriptor's value: 2
[12:05] <hondje> anyone have a clue?
[12:05] <kisain> you woulden't beleve the luck i had the last 2 days >.<
[12:05] <daves> astro76: search for bash control job ... is that via system monitor ??
[12:05] <Computer__Guru> hondje: btfoom
[12:05] <kisain> i want to destroy microsoft at this point
[12:05] <hondje> ditto
[12:05] <kisain> a nice big nuke right up gates a$$
[12:06] <daves> don't u know MS never plays fair :)
[12:06] <kisain> thats s.o.b should be strung up by his 8@ll$ and beaten with a baseball bat wrapped in razor wire and then salt and vingar smeard in the wounds
[12:07] <hondje> If I used Windows, I would have bailed a long time ago (wait, I did)
[12:07] <kisain> yea i had my ubuntu working perfectly and then i got a new sound card and ubuntu woulden't use it
[12:07] <hondje> What's the point of an operating system that takes hours to clean after looking at a couple of porn sites?
[12:07] <kisain> lol
[12:07] <kisain> so i installed windows
[12:08] <PIANIST> good morning @ all
[12:08] <kisain> >.< big mistake seems my network dosen't like windows or by using ubuntu i actually got smarter
[12:08] <daves> in a separate partition ???
[12:08] <kisain> and so now windows mus be benieth me
[12:08] <kisain> no i over wrote my ubuntu drive >.<
[12:08] <PIANIST> !seen me
[12:08] <ubotu> me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 20d 21h 31m 40s ago, saying: 'silly question: how can i check how much RAM my computer has (in general) [its not my computer, its my friends] '.
[12:08] <daves> SILLY SILLY ....
[12:09] <kisain> yea
[12:09] <kisain> tell me about it
[12:09] <kisain> now i'm on the wifes stupid win box and it's even pissing me off >.<
[12:09] <daves> well it's like this write out one hundred time i am a sucker ....
[12:09] <kisain> if itwasen't her puter it'dd have ubuntu on it
[12:10] <daves> your punishment :)
[12:10] <kisain> lol
[12:10] <kisain> tell me about it
[12:11] <daves> well why not DO IT... i killed my box (mdk 10.0 & win98 - another HD)
[12:11] <kisain> that will be the last time i ever use windows EVER
[12:11] <daves> hated the default text in /mnt so thought i know .... killed my win98 data and killed my gui
[12:11] <kisain> i never really liked linux to begin with though
[12:11] <PIANIST> Hey guys.... anybody know the syntax of |etc|network|interfaces
[12:12] <kisain> untill i tryed ubuntu
[12:12] <daves> that was the kick that got me to ubuntu (been a bit sick of MDK (RPM hell)
[12:12] <kisain> it has not failed me once it just will not play one game and that game i can live with out
[12:13] <PIANIST> Hey guys.... anybody know the syntax of |etc|network|interfaces TELLLLLLLLLLLL MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:13] <kisain> i mean windows is ok if your a freakin moron or don't want to deal with terminal crap
[12:13] <daves> kisain:konw of a step by step method of creating repositories ??, got a SLOWWWW connection 56k modem
[12:13] <kisain> hmm
[12:13] <kisain> i just use a alterd sources.list
[12:14] <kisain> but i don't have access to it right now
[12:14] <PIANIST> ? why that?
[12:14] <kisain> plus i have 5mb cable
[12:14] <kisain> cause i'm installing ubuntu
[12:14] <PIANIST> ohhh i c
[12:14] <daves> PAINIST: why not go via computer->system-> network ?
[12:14] <kisain> wow 15min to install new record ^_^
[12:15] <kisain> well for me anywho
[12:15] <PIANIST> because i have no X SERVER installed -.-
[12:15] <kisain> ouch
[12:15] <kisain> why not?
[12:15] <PIANIST> cause i dont need it *g*
[12:15] <PIANIST> console rulez
[12:15] <kisain> wow i have to have x
[12:15] <kisain> just text would drive me crasy
[12:15] <PIANIST> lol
[12:15] <Flying-Penguin> same
[12:15] <PIANIST> IRC just text too *g*
[12:16] <kisain> huh?
[12:16] <kisain> whats *g*?
[12:16] <daves> kisain: figured out that you run dpgk to get a packages.gz file of a .deb but everytime i do something in synaptic i get borked :(
[12:16] <Flying-Penguin> but I see sexy buttons around my irc!
[12:16] <PIANIST> nothing
[12:16] <kisain> hmmm
[12:16] <kisain> weard sounds like your sorces.list is borked
[12:16] <PIANIST> sexy buttons.... well... i thing I shall start apt *G*
[12:17] <kisain> yes x is wonderfull
[12:17] <anacron> sexy buttons are just illusion
[12:17] <kisain> i haven't had one problem with ubuntu other than my own stupidity
[12:17] <nomis_> lol
[12:17] <PIANIST> not if you configure correctly *g*
[12:17] <daves> na 'cause when i kill my created repository everythign goes again
[12:18] <anacron> "uuh i have sexy buttons, there's naked woman in every one of them"
[12:18] <kisain> wow nice
[12:18] <spoomonkey> hello
[12:18] <kisain> hi
[12:18] <anacron> kisain: nuke would be too nice
[12:19] <daves> this is the sorta prbs i had with MDK but it was more .... checksum issuies for the installation (even tho the files were good)
[12:19] <tom_> hi
[12:19] <tom_> sadf
[12:19] <tom_> how can i format a harddisk i just inserted and connected? anyone knows?
[12:19] <kisain> hmmm apt-get lill bill-gates with ubuola-virus?
[12:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i install gDesklets.....now i started the Daemon....but i have no idea how it works....wot should i do?
[12:19] <daves> anacron: sexy buttons...
[12:20] <tom_> anyone knows how to format an harddisk? the command or something
[12:20] <daves> tom_ fdisk or csfisk
[12:20] <tom_> i don't need to give the exact harddisk?
[12:20] <tom_> in ubuntu i mean
[12:21] <toowoomba> hello
[12:21] <daves> toowooba: aussie i bet :)
[12:21] <toowoomba> yep
[12:22] <daves> I'm just to the right of ya :)
[12:22] <toowoomba> i am using ubuntu but want to compile and run a kde program, if I isntall the kde devel libs, it will install kde base, will that change my desktop to kde?
[12:22] <toowoomba> brisbane?
[12:22] <waterwally> is there a ausie irc ???
[12:22] <toowoomba> helidon?
[12:22] <daves> you give it away with a name like that... na NZ
[12:23] <lonetree> hi hi pple
[12:23] <daves> Sth hemeisphere
[12:23] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i installed gDesklets.....now i started the Daemon....but i have no idea how it works....wot should i do?
[12:23] <toowoomba> aren't nth and south islands the 7th and 8th states?
[12:23] <lonetree> just like to check if anyone here have problem with file date and time while copying over a network share folder
[12:24] <daves> waterwally: go to a map (big white place at bottom of world
[12:24] <toowoomba> tom, I would install tqparted
[12:24] <lonetree> anyine?
[12:24] <lonetree> anyone?
[12:24] <toowoomba> oops, qtparted or gparted
[12:25] <daves> 2 countries 1 nz other australia surrounded by water, NZ by south pacific ocean
[12:25] <toowoomba> australia much better at cricket and rugby
[12:26] <LuNaTiK^GuY> plzzz....how do i install desklets......i already installed the gDesklets daemon
[12:27] <PIANIST> Hey... now Ive got the XSERVER running... how do I set a autostart entry. So that gkrell starts with gnome??????
[12:27] <kisain> if i where you i'd use gkrellm instead of gdesklets
[12:28] <kisain> if you have it running ingnome
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i am in gnome yes
[12:28] <kisain> you should just log out and save your session
[12:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot are gkrellm?
[12:29] <PIANIST> just like gdesklets only better
[12:29] <kisain> gkrellm is kinda like g desklets but it works
[12:29] <toowoomba> why does vino-server use so much cpu?
[12:29] <kisain> because it likes to
[12:29] <kisain> ^_^
[12:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> sudo apt-get gkrellm?
[12:29] <PIANIST> kisain: was this answer for me? you shoukd just log .....
[12:29] <kisain> yes
[12:29] <PIANIST> ok thnx
[12:29] <kisain> sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[12:29] <daves> toowoomba now ya getting picky, i mean we LET U flies win otherwise we'd never hear the end of thing....
[12:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> E: Invalid operation gkrellm
[12:30] <daves> ie the underarm thing ....
[12:30] <toowoomba> haha
[12:30] <kisain> all i do is start gkrellm and log out
[12:30] <kisain> then log back in it should start automaticly
[12:30] <toowoomba> that was a long, long time ago!  my wife wasn't even born then
[12:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant sudo apt-get gkrellm
[12:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it says E: Invalid operation gkrellm
[12:30] <kisain> yes
[12:31] <daves> so u'r into ....
[12:31] <nophix> LuNaTiK^GuY: sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[12:31] <kisain> yes cause it sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[12:31] <kisain> lol
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> owww sorerrry :)
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> geez
[12:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i always forget something
[12:31] <daves> sorry i am thinking u'r as old as me 40+
[12:32] <toowoomba> haha
[12:32] <toowoomba> this ubuntu stuff is pretty cool
[12:32] <daves> toowoomba: not very into rugby or cricket, my son want to play cricket this summer but i'm not that keen
[12:32] <patgrysli> un ptit bonjour !pour esseyer xchat
[12:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[12:33] <toowoomba> I like to play cricket but hate standing in the sun all day, it's a dilema
[12:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm finally off that stupid windows machene
[12:33] <daves> ya i just moved to it from mandrake, still getting my head around gnome and how debian/ubuntu works
[12:33] <luminerd> Anyone set up LTSP on a thin-client network here?
[12:34] <daves> sometime it's a real shit 'cause i can't do things i did under MDK as fast
[12:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no i dont want pc stats...i want stuff that looks MAC like
[12:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thats y i needed gDesklets
[12:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[12:34] <toowoomba> my mate and I are seeing what it's like to go windows free.  I am on ubuntu, he is tring mandrake
[12:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now time to install ubuntu on my other box ^_^
[12:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> toowoomba once you use ubuntu you'll hate windows
[12:35] <PIANIST> back
[12:35] <djp> clearlooks, milk 2.1 and suede 2 icons here. looks lovely! ;)
[12:35] <PIANIST> isnt true
[12:35] <toowoomba> will still be working with windows for some time to come
[12:36] <daves> toowoomba what version of mandrake ?
[12:36] <PIANIST> for gaming windows is much better... but other stuff: UBUNTU RULEZ!
[12:36] <djp> gave up on windows totally over a year ago
[12:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> I want to make my gnome look more MAC OS like....i was told gDesklets should do the trick...but i have no idea how to make it work...any1 can help with it?
[12:36] <toowoomba> don't know, I think it's the latest
[12:36] <daves> toowoomba:i was on 10 official
[12:36] <toowoomba> onlt started on the weekend so I guess he would have got the most recent
[12:36] <toowoomba> why did you switch?
[12:36] <daves> toowoomba: so it's be manddreiva 2005le or something
[12:37] <toowoomba> he is not online so can't ask
[12:37] <scorpio2002> hi there!
[12:37] <scorpio2002> :-)
[12:37] <Alessio> olo
[12:37] <toowoomba> i had a play with mdk around 9 but wasn't that inpressed
[12:37] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: go here http://gnome-look.org/ and here http://art.gnome.org/
[12:37] <daves> toowoomba: old h/w p200 146ram support getting shitty (sorta)
[12:37] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: that should help you on your way...
[12:37] <scorpio2002> can you take a look at this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50729 - thx
[12:38] <daves> ha I started with 7.2 boxed and then got 8.2 then 9.1 then 10.0 @ 2 months after official was released
[12:38] <toowoomba> cool
[12:38] <ioboss> hi
[12:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i've been to gnome-look
[12:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you want to game in linux get point2playu
[12:39] <hondje> daves: hehe, so did I
[12:39] <daves> like used to kde so i'm like starting out again a bit
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's what i use
[12:39] <hondje> windows wouldn't install, so I bought mdk 7.2 and never went back
[12:39] <scorpio2002> does anybody know why ubuntu's suddenly entering runlevel 2 at the boopstrap???
[12:39] <toowoomba> I have been playing with linux on and off for years - slackware/redhat/mandrake/debian/fedora/ubuntu
[12:39] <hondje> um, ubuntu SHOULD boot into runlevel 2
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i used to linux installs in my life
[12:39] <toowoomba> downlaoded way too many isos
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gentoo scared the hell outta me
[12:39] <daves> na things were just going slower and slower
[12:39] <scorpio2002> hondje, so it is normal?
[12:39] <scorpio2002> :D
[12:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i quit linux then i tryed ubuntu
[12:39] <hondje> Yes
[12:39] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: then you should have found different application, window border and icon themes to help you make your desktop look however you want
[12:40] <scorpio2002> sorry, i was used to fedora
[12:40] <scorpio2002> :D
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and now here i am ^_^ again :p
[12:40] <daves> when i stuffed up my HD's my wife BITCXHED at me ....
[12:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> djp, not really lol
[12:40] <scorpio2002> I switched to ubuntu because i was fed uo with fedora :|
[12:40] <daves> why did you do that can't i get onto linux anymore ....
[12:40] <rob^> ok, is there a reason that despite downloading all the ubuntu-calandar-month packages I still dont have the wallpapers?
[12:40] <toowoomba> my wife has her own computer, less trouble that way
[12:41] <daves> now that's one for the books i thought since she knows nuth'n bout pcs
[12:41] <toowoomba> rob, it just puts them into a dir somewhere
[12:41] <rob^> toowoomba, what directory
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and confiscated gates money and property in an illigal serch and sesure
[12:42] <daves> rob^:'cause they (ms) could give 'em hell anytime night or day think about all the MS oses ...
[12:43] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=25165
[12:43] <daves> and don't forget the holes they could open for crakcers etc
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea what about all the win oses?
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh yea i suppose
[12:43] <daves> the us army would be mince meat
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but m$ hackers are usually 12 year old shits with nothing better to do
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know i used to be one
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm now 27 lol
[12:44] <luminerd> 'lo,  Anyone set up LTSP on a thin-client network here?
[12:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i figured it out with win 3.1 for workgroups
[12:44] <daves> well i like to think of hackers as folks who pull things apart and fix 'em or make 'em better
[12:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> normally they are
[12:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i want to be one :)
[12:44] <djp> daves: exactly
[12:44] <ogra> luminerd, probably #edubuntu ?
[12:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but then theres those few....
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[12:45] <luminerd> ogra, thanks
[12:45] <daves> figured what out ?? how to make win 4 w groups crash ?
[12:45] <djp> daves: otherwise if they are breaking, busting or defacing things they are crackers
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it used to work for me way back in the day
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it's win 3.11 for work groups
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not any current version
[12:45] <jono> hi all
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> win 3.11 was a little ok
[12:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi ^_^
[12:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for its time
[12:46] <jono> is gstreamer 0.9 in breezy?
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea it was kinda decent
[12:46] <djp> hi jono!
[12:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> much more reliable than win95 :)
[12:46] <hondje> both sucked
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or melenium
[12:46] <hondje> I can't believe we used to make bootdisks to play games
[12:46] <jono> hi djp :)
[12:46] <daves> ya i was about when win 3.0 came out crappy bit of s/w
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[12:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> then things started improvinf on 2k/xp
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i remeber that
[12:46] <slipjig> Anyone know how to prevent Ubuntu synchronising its time and date with an NTP server at boot, but choose some other time to synchronise instead?  I use a laptop which isn't always net-connected.  If I'm not on a network, startup takes ages while the ntp process tries to find a time server...
[12:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really where?
[12:46] <daves> for who ?
[12:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lolllllll
[12:47] <[Spooky] > hey all, i need to convert some mp3s to ogg, you have any name on some good software to use ?
[12:47] <toowoomba> tom, still need to know about the calendar wallpaper?
[12:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now i'm being less biased....
[12:47] <hondje> toowoomba: if he doesn't, I do
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> microsoft make decent software O_o?
[12:47] <djp> jono: gstreamer0.9-0.10 should be included in gnome 2.12
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit i only benn usinging ubuntu for a few monthes
[12:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for games M$ was always decent
[12:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i hate m$ even more
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> true
[12:47] <djp> jono: sorry will be ready for...
[12:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but thats about it
[12:48] <jono> djp, cool
[12:48] <hondje> don't do that M$ thing please
[12:48] <daves> well they only have XXX numbers of programmers and heaps of pr folks
[12:48] <hondje> That got old in like, 97 :)
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea they have like 2000 proggrammers
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and not one of them can make a decent os?
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then theres linux
[12:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> decent about wot though?
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for some reason if you find the right distro
[12:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot do u want from windows?
[12:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just works
[12:49] <daves> well now hold on a bit they're using their sweeds abit now
[12:49] <djp> jono: i think breezy is using gnome 2.11 but i'm not sure. still hary here!
[12:49] <jono> I am just install breezy again in vmware
[12:49] <djp> hoary even! hary as well if you like jono!
[12:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows and linux have different design philosophies
[12:49] <jono> heh :)
[12:49] <hondje> breezy would have to use 2.11 since 2.12 doesn't come out until like 5 days before breezy does
[12:49] <toowoomba> the porn is in /usr/share/backgrounds
[12:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> linux tries to give u a top-notch stable platform (once configured well)
[12:49] <hondje> toowoomba: thanks
[12:49] <djp> hondje: thanks.
[12:49] <daves> they're getting the better minds into the fold and giving 'em money for jam and reducing some development
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows just tries to give u everything...at the expense of stability
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea windows dosen't always work
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and linux does
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows always worked for me......
[12:50] <daves> toowoomba: porn in ubuntu ?
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really? wow thats a first
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wot didnt work?
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i've always had isshues with m$ software
 so does a gun :)
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> all drivers work...all tihngs got set up
[12:50] <toowoomba> ubuntu-calendar
[12:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol daves
[12:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um well on the current box that has windows
[12:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> we're just discussing
[12:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> home networking
[12:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> home networking on WinXp pro is a breeze.....i cant argue against that!!
[12:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just stopped working one day
[12:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm not saying i dont like Ubuntu...its awesome!
[12:51] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: did you check out the link to the Panther theme?
[12:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> niether can i untill it breaks
[12:51] <daves> why not turn the power button on again :)
[12:51] <LuNaTiK^GuY> djp i didnt find the panther theme yet :S
[12:52] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=25165
[12:52] <toowoomba> win2k is pretty solid
[12:52] <PIANIST> TIGER STYLE
[12:52] <Computer__Guru> yeah 2k is solid, xp is pretty nice too
[12:52] <daves> i coach the tiger soccer team ... you like us ?
[12:52] <djp> LuNaTiK^GuY: read the description it tells you how the guy created to overall look
[12:52] <PIANIST> 2k is bugged
[12:52] <LuNaTiK^GuY> WOWWWW
[12:52] <jono> so is X borked in breezy?
[12:53] <toowoomba> ubuntu is cheaper than 2k
[12:53] <daves> time for bed ..... nice chatting
[12:53] <PIANIST> not the tiger soccer team..... welll for real i really dont know who they are. I mean TIGER OS X.... beneath UBUNTU apple rulez too
[12:53] <Computer__Guru> wow that ALMOST looks as good as it does in kde :D:D
[12:53] <daves> toowoomba .... GO WARRIORS :)
[12:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> APPLE's got a fine GUI
[12:53] <toowoomba> go the clydesdales
[12:54] <PIANIST> yeah
[12:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if we're not biased...we should agree with that
[12:54] <PIANIST> ok.. i have to leave cya @ all
[12:55] <djp> jono: try here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-35143.html
[12:55] <wezzer-> hello
[12:55] <wezzer-> I have ISA NE2000 network card
[12:55] <wezzer-> dmesg shows it up normally, but ifconfig shows nothing
[12:55] <wezzer-> running hoary
[12:55] <toowoomba> see ya guys
[12:56] <djp> jono: and maybe here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-40564.html
[12:58] <Echelon-H> hi!
[12:58] <Flying-Penguin> hey guys... how do I make a program start up with my computer?
[12:58] <jono> djp, so its just the symlink issue to fix when I upgrade
[12:58] <Echelon-H> My cousin is using at the moment liveCD, is there a command that he can type to add hebrew font?
[12:59] <scorpio2002> how do I install my printer in ubuntu?
[12:59] <djp> jono: looks that way. i haven't had the nerve to dip into breezy yet. i normally wait for the release date. wimp, i know!
[01:00] <djp> somebody here must be using breezy? anyone?
[01:00] <renedox> how do I enable PHP?
[01:00] <killapop> Flying-Penguin: how do u mean... u want to launch an application?
[01:01] <Computer__Guru> jay go sleep now
[01:01] <Computer__Guru> peace, love, and chicken grease
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol never herd that one before
[01:02] <hussam> hey anybody tried the gtk2 theme clearlooks_quicksilver 0.6.2 ?
[01:02] <hussam> kickass theme.
[01:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[01:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its cool
[01:02] <hussam> I don't have gnome but I use it on xfce
[01:03] <k4rp0r> how can i change my port in bittornado (using ubuntu)
[01:04] <Flying-Penguin> killapop: sorry no one was saying anything so I stoped looking
[01:05] <Flying-Penguin> killapop: I guss waht I realy want to do is launch a term command when I log in
[01:05] <nico_32> hi
[01:05] <renedox> so... can anyone help me with my PHP enabling problem?
[01:05] <KB2000> renedox: i just got in, what's your prob?
[01:06] <renedox> um...
[01:07] <renedox> I uninstalled PHP4
[01:07] <renedox> and installed MySQL
[01:07] <hondje> !lamp
[01:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LAMPForHoary
[01:07] <renedox> when I reinstalled PHP4 after my MySQL install
[01:07] <renedox> PHP "doesn't work" anymore
[01:07] <KB2000> i think you might need to set php in your apache config file
[01:08] <renedox> what do I need to change?
[01:09] <nico_32> renedox, apache or apache 2 ?
[01:09] <renedox> apache2
[01:09] <KB2000> i have the following lines in my /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[01:09] <Funraiser> how come opera is not on synaptic?
[01:09] <KB2000>     AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[01:09] <KB2000>     AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[01:09] <nico_32> renedox,
[01:10] <renedox> KB2000: I have those in apache2.conf as well (it's apache2.conf in... apache2)
[01:10] <renedox> nico_32: yes?
[01:10] <nico_32> is /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load exist ?
[01:10] <nico_32> and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf ?
[01:10] <Funraiser> does someone use opera? (the webbrowser)
[01:10] <renedox> nico_32: hang on, I'll just check
[01:11] <renedox> I have /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf
[01:11] <renedox> not /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf
[01:11] <nico_32> okay
[01:11] <nico_32> cp /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[01:11] <nico_32> cp /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[01:12] <nico_32> and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[01:12] <chrissturm> nico_32,  use ln -s and not cp
[01:12] <wezzer-> does anyone have NE2000 network card _working_ in ubuntu?
[01:12] <renedox> nico_32: yip, just did all that
[01:12] <renedox> but it still doesn't load/read .php pages
[01:13] <knj> Where is the "boot script" located?
[01:13] <Echelon-H> how can i add languages to ubuntu?
[01:14] <nico_32> renedox, in your apache2.conf, is that ( http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/698 ) present ?
[01:14] <renedox> nico_32: what?
[01:14] <nico_32> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/698
[01:15] <renedox> nico_32: hang on, I think I saw it in there, I'll just check
[01:16] <nico_32> renedox, and is libapache2-mod-php4  installed ?
[01:17] <renedox> nico_32: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/698 is present
[01:17] <nico_32> okay
[01:17] <renedox> checking for libapache2-mod-php4 now
[01:18] <renedox> nico_32: yes, it's installed
[01:19] <nico_32> can you paste the file /var/log/apache2/error.log at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:19] <nico_32> ?
[01:19] <chrissturm> scorpio2002, yep
[01:19] <renedox> nico_32: hang on
[01:20] <scorpio2002> chrissturm, sure? shouldn't it be runlevel 5?
[01:21] <renedox> nico_32: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/699
[01:21] <nico_32> renedox, you have many error ...
[01:21] <scorpio2002> chrissturm -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=265032#post265032
[01:21] <renedox> nico_32: yeah...
[01:22] <nico_32> renedox, PHP Warning:  Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
[01:22] <renedox> nico_32: how do I fix that?
[01:22] <nico_32> verify if php4mysql is installed
[01:22] <nico_32> verify if php4-ysql is installed
[01:22] <nico_32> erf
[01:22] <nico_32> php4-mysql
[01:22] <visor> guys anybody here uses limewire?
[01:22] <fortran01> Has anyone tried playing GO-OPEN SOURCE in vlc (in mp4 format)?
[01:23] <renedox> nico_32: ah.. no it's not installed
[01:23] <nico_32> renedox, :D
[01:24] <scorpio2002> nico_32, so it's normla that ubuntu starts in runlevel 2 ?_? - on the forum they said the contrary O_o
[01:24] <renedox> nico_32: cool, thanks, I'll install that and see if it'll work :)
[01:24] <nico_32> scorpio2002, # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[01:24] <scorpio2002> nico_32, ok, so it's normal or not? :P
[01:25] <nico_32> scorpio2002, it is normal
[01:25] <scorpio2002> ok
[01:25] <scorpio2002> :-)
[01:25] <scorpio2002> thx
[01:25] <Tomcat_> Most Debians start in level 2...
[01:25] <Tomcat_> Or rather... run in level 2.
[01:25] <Tomcat_> Only SuSE needs 5. :o
[01:25] <nico_32> scorpio2002, the default runlevel depend of distrib ...
[01:25] <nico_32> Tomcat_, old redhat also ...
[01:26] <deFrysk> fedora.....
[01:26] <feugan3333> Hi all. Could anyone help me with static linking of a library with cc?
[01:27] <scorpio2002> nico_32, ok... :p because it didn't notice that ubuntu was running at runlevel 2 untille todoy. And since I was working with the kernel trying to compile a new one, I thought I messed thing up
[01:27] <scorpio2002> i dint notice -> sorry ^^
[01:27] <scorpio2002> today :|
[01:27] <nico_32> de nada :D
[01:27] <scorpio2002> :P
[01:29] <mr> hello everybody
[01:29] <darkmatter> hi
[01:29] <Miichael> hello mister
[01:30] <darkmatter> hi mr
[01:30] <Gourami> Problem: Right click, open with other application, select VLC in the list and then error "Could not add application the the application database"
[01:31] <delire> anyone know the Ubuntu PPC channel? ubuntu-ppc seems a little errm quiet (1 person|bot)
[01:32] <fortran01> Has anyone tried playing mp4 format in vlc with no sound?
[01:33] <queuetue> How do I set up a directory so that all files in it are created a+r by default?
[01:33] <Gourami> Problem: Right click, open with other application, select VLC in the list and then error "Could not add application the the application database"
[01:34] <nico_32> queuetue, search umask
[01:35] <|rockinnerd|> it wont go away on the movie
[01:36] <Gourami> where are santas helpers today ?
[01:37] <killapop> Gourami: apt-get update
[01:37] <queuetue> nico_32, I see the command, but no sensible explanation of how it is used.  How wuld I make all new files in a directory, /foo be a+wr ?
[01:37] <kakalto> what is ubuntu's font?
[01:38] <Gourami> killapop: what will that do, I am on a very slow internet connection ?
[01:38] <kakalto> as used in logos
[01:38] <killapop> Gourami: hmmm
[01:38] <nico_32> queuetue, oops for only a directory ?
[01:38] <Sputn1k> why fonts are so bad http://www.kompiuterija.lt/cgi-bin/kompiuterija/forumas/board_show.pl?bid=14  ?
[01:38] <nico_32> queuetue, chmod -R a+wr foo/
[01:38] <queuetue> nico_32, Yes, for all new files in a directory.
[01:38] <Gourami> killapop: vlc works 100% if I open a file from vlc's menu
[01:39] <queuetue> nico_32, That will affect all existing files.  I want to set default permissions for all new files.
[01:39] <funkyHat> killapop, wouldn't he need apt-cache update, then apt-get upgrade?
[01:39] <Gourami> I am trying to open a file located on another machine
[01:39] <nico_32> queuetue, i know how set default permission for all new file only for all directory ...
[01:40] <nico_32> queuetue, umask 666
[01:40] <Flying-Penguin> how would I make a term command run when I log in? (the term command will open a program)
[01:40] <queuetue> nico_32, Ok, not what  was looking for. :)
[01:40] <nico_32> queuetue, set permission of all new file to a+wr
[01:41] <nico_32> but for only a directory, i don't know
[01:41] <nico_32> perhaps with acl ...
[01:41] <renedox> nico_32: I just downloaded php4-mysql and restarted apache
[01:41] <renedox> still not working
[01:42] <nico_32> what is the result of "file /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so"
[01:43] <renedox> cheng@renedox:~$ file /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so
[01:43] <renedox> /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped