[08:34] <cc11rocks> I want to fix bugs (development). Should I be on this channel or #ubuntu-devel? If I should be on -devel or -motu, what is the different between the channels?
[09:04] <iulian> cc11rocks: Both and you might want to join -packaging as well. The difference is that -motu deals with unseeded packages and -devel with core packages.
[09:04] <cc11rocks> Thanks iulian!
[09:04] <iulian> And please don't cross post.
[09:05] <cc11rocks> I was telling MCR1 so he knew
[09:05] <cc11rocks> And to tell people my question was resolved
[09:05] <cc11rocks> See? He said thanks
[09:05] <iulian> cc11rocks: You've asked the same question in both channel.
[09:06] <iulian> s/channel/channels/
[09:06] <cc11rocks> Okay, will take that into account next time
[09:07] <cc11rocks> Do you agree with MCR1 that I can fix the bugs in running OS?
[09:08] <cc11rocks> If you would like me to cross-post the question, I can do that, but then I would be cross posting the question...
[09:11] <iulian> cc11rocks: I do. And no, please don't.
[09:13] <cc11rocks> If I break a package I need to use, I can just reinstall it temporarily from the default repos., then continue with backed-up code later, correct?
[09:13] <cc11rocks> Or should I be using that one command that lets you temporarily change root to whatever (chroot or something)?
[09:14] <cc11rocks> I think chroot would be essentially the same as a VM...
[10:54] <cc11rocks> bzr ubuntu:test failed - http://pastebin.com/3AqiTwyn
[10:57] <cc11rocks> It's way past my bedtime, so if I could get a quick response, that would be awesome. If not, you can email the problem/solution at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>. Looks to me as if it's outdated. I just did it, so I don't know how that is possible...
[10:57] <cc11rocks> Either that, or I don't have change perms (which I shouldn't have)
[10:59] <cc11rocks> I'll stick around for another 5 minutes
[11:02] <cc11rocks> *bzr ubuntu:hello failed - http://pastebin.com/3AqiTwyn
[11:13] <cc11rocks> Already, thanks for you help guys. If you guys figure out the issue, you can email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:35] <jtaylor> I wonder what the difference between ruby-json-pure and ruby-json is
[21:36] <jtaylor> besides that the former is an apparently unmaintaned ubuntu only package which conflicts with the debian one ..
[21:45] <broder> jtaylor: the json-pure gem is a json parser/encoder in pure ruby; the json gem has a c extension
[21:46] <broder> they're api compatible, but the c extension is obviously much faster
[21:46] <micahg> yeah
[21:46] <broder> i do'nt know what the packages are though
[21:46] <jtaylor> why do we need both?
[21:46] <micahg> upstream codebase is almost the same too
[21:47] <jtaylor> to the least the conflict between the packages should be resolved
[21:47] <jtaylor> is that a case for alternatives?
[21:47] <broder> yeah, they should not conflict - they can be co-installed
[21:47] <broder> at least in ruby-land. i don't know anything about the gem packaging situation
[21:47] <micahg> there's a reverse dependency in Ubuntu for it
[21:48] <broder> you do need json-pure for things like jruby, where you don't get c extensions
[21:48] <micahg> which is not in Debian
[21:48] <broder> but i don't even know whether the ruby packaging situation is evolved enough to support that sort of thing
[21:49] <micahg> I don't see an explicit conflicts either
[21:49] <micahg> oh, maybe in the newer package
[21:49] <jtaylor> quantal still fails
[21:49] <micahg> fails on what
[21:49] <broder> aren't they different gems built from the same source?
[21:49] <jtaylor> on installation
[21:50] <jtaylor> bug 1026049 style failure
[21:50] <micahg> ah, yeah, that's a problem :)
[21:50] <jtaylor> nice the -pure package also fails to build
[21:50] <micahg> ruby-json-pure should put it in json_pure.rb IMHO
[21:51] <broder> err, i'm not sure that makes sense
[21:51] <jtaylor> bug 1026049
[21:51] <jtaylor> ups bug 935412
[21:51] <jtaylor> still affects quantal
[21:51] <broder> the content of that json.rb is basically just
[21:51] <broder>   begin
[21:51] <broder>     require 'json/ext'
[21:51] <broder>   rescue LoadError
[21:51] <broder>     require 'json/pure'
[21:51] <broder>   end
[21:53] <micahg> I'd start by looking to see if ruby-vmc needs the pure ruby version or can use the c extension, if it can use the c extension, let's drop the forked version, we'd still have to fix up precise a bit better though with replaces/conflicts
[21:53] <jtaylor> it seems the only rdepend does not use jruby
[21:53] <jtaylor> so it could use the extension version
[21:53] <jtaylor> and we can kill the -pure
[21:54] <jtaylor> I mailed the uploader for an oppinion
[21:54] <micahg> jtaylor: at the canonical address?
[21:54] <jtaylor> yes
[21:54] <micahg> doesn't exist anymore :)
[21:54] <jtaylor> oh
[21:56] <micahg> debian 657881
[21:57] <jtaylor> no answer upstream since jan
[21:57] <jtaylor> does really not look like something we should have in the archive
[21:59] <jtaylor> hm but it is still active
[21:59] <micahg> jtaylor: I certainly don't think we should keep it Ubuntu only if the rdep can be switched, but if it gets packaged in Debian, I see no issue having both
[22:00] <jtaylor> I also have no issue if its maintained
[22:00] <jtaylor> but it does not look like it in ubuntu
[22:00] <jtaylor> ftbs since precise, pretty obvious conflicts
[22:01] <jtaylor> I'll mail the rdep maintainer if it can use the extension version
[22:02] <jtaylor> hm but who is that
[22:02] <jtaylor> noone is subscribed to bugs of the package ._.
[22:10] <micahg> jtaylor: it's in MOTU land, use your best judgment :), or maybe ask xnox as he seems to be involved in some this stuff
[22:10] <xnox> jtaylor:  hello =) which stuff?
[22:10] <jtaylor> I reached logan in -devel
[22:10] <Logan_> oh hey
[22:11] <Logan_> I'm here as well :P
[22:11] <xnox> meh ruby, I use rbenv for that.....
[22:12]  * xnox goes back to idling =)
[22:12] <Logan_> jtaylor: do you think it would be less buggy if the packaging were updated to 1.7.5 for ruby-json-pure?
[22:12] <Logan_> http://rubygems.org/gems/json_pure
[22:12] <jtaylor> Logan_: possibly, but someone has to do that
[22:12] <Logan_> because it's at 1.5.1 right now in the Ubuntu repo
[22:12] <jtaylor> right now the issue is that the two packages are not coinstallable
[22:12] <Logan_> and updating to 1.7.5 could introduce its own bugs
[22:12] <jtaylor> they even fail with a dpkg error
[22:12] <Logan_> which would require an FFe
[22:12] <Logan_> so, basically, fun times
[22:13] <Logan_> oh I see
[22:13] <Logan_> so conflict them?
[22:13] <jtaylor> the problem is -pure fails to build
[22:13] <micahg> xnox: I pinged you as you seem to be involved with some of the partner/main archive crossover
[22:13] <jtaylor> so just conflicting them is not as trivial as it looks
[22:14] <Logan_> oh
[22:14] <xnox> micahg: was I ? had no clue....
[22:14] <jtaylor> Logan_: unless someone volunteers to fix/update the package I would prefer to remove it
[22:14] <jtaylor> I don't know much about ruby so I can't fix it
[22:14] <micahg> xnox: maybe not :), ISTR you filing some bugs related to that type of stuff
[22:15] <micahg> I would prefer to remove it regardless if we have a viable alternative from Debian
[22:15] <micahg> er...regardless, if
[22:16] <xnox> removing is good =)
[22:16] <jtaylor> but that requires changing ruby-vmc
[22:16] <jtaylor> for which it might be too late now
[22:16] <jtaylor> so we could for quantal just disable the testsuite, conflict the package and deal with it q+1?
[22:16] <jtaylor> similar for a precise sru?
[22:17] <micahg> jtaylor: nah, it's unseeded, should be easy enough to get an FFe if we can remove cruft
[22:17]  * ogra_ makes a note to tell slangasek that xnox plans to do the partner stuff ...
[22:17] <ogra_> *g*
[22:17]  * micahg makes a note to hid from xnox at UDS
[22:17] <micahg> *hide
[22:17] <micahg> jtaylor: for a precise SRU that sounds good
[22:18] <jtaylor> Logan_: can you check if ruby-vmc would work with ruby-json?
[22:18] <jtaylor> or give guidance on how to check it?
[22:18] <xnox> micahg: I actually think you did pretty well at hiding from me at the last UDS. It seemed like most of the last UDS I spent with ogra_ infinity tumbleweed Laney and highvoltage
[22:19] <jtaylor> I wanted to go to the next uds for once, but no work interferes again ._.
[22:19] <xnox> =((((
[22:19] <micahg> xnox: that's funny because I was with Laney and tumbleweed a lot of UDS as well
[22:20]  * xnox wonders if Laney & tumbleweed have identical twins
[22:20] <iulian> Maybe you guys spent most of the time together but you just cannot remember.
[22:20] <iulian> That's a possibility...
[22:20] <ogra_> xnox, we just need to convince micahg to start smoking ;) (or you need to start spending more time inside next UDS ;) )
[22:21] <xnox> ogra_: i am actually not smoking any more.
[22:21] <ogra_> wow !
[22:21] <xnox> ogra_: but that may change at the uds though
[22:21] <ogra_> congrats
[22:22] <xnox> also electronic cigarettes are fun, cause they make a lot of smoke
[22:23] <Logan_> jtaylor: I have no idea
[22:23] <Logan_> I'd just remove ruby-vmc, tbh
[22:23]  * ogra_ doesnt trust them :)
[22:23] <Logan_> people can just install it via gem if they want, no?
[22:24] <Logan_> I mean, same with any gem
[22:24] <Logan_> but
[22:24] <Logan_> this is an exceptional case ;)
[22:25] <jtaylor> popcon 63
[22:26] <jtaylor> if no one cares for it and we don't know how to test it, removing might be an option
[22:26] <jtaylor> on the otherhand we could just change the depend and "require" and see what happens
[22:26] <jtaylor> either people complain and we have someone to ask, it breaks and no one notices or everyting works fine
[22:26] <jtaylor> win win win
[22:29] <jtaylor> wait removing ruby-vmc also requires cloudfoundry removal
[22:29] <jtaylor> whatever that is
[22:29] <jtaylor> ups no same source
[22:29] <micahg> jtaylor: well, I'd suggest asking someone who's familiar enough with ruby to make sure the dep can be switched sanely
[22:29] <xnox> ogra_: i don't mind doing partner stuff by the way.
[22:30] <jtaylor> micahg: yes, I think I'll pop by debian-ruby tomorrow
[22:30] <micahg> thansk
[22:30] <jtaylor> someone there should know
[22:30] <micahg> *thanks
[22:30] <ogra_> xnox, heh, dont overload yourself
[22:30] <jtaylor> json parsing should really be inside ruby itself nowadys
[22:30] <ogra_> i was really not serious about partenr


[00:12] <jono> hey
[00:12] <jono> is anyone running saucy right now? is it broadly working?
[01:04] <cjwatson> jono: wfm
[01:04] <jono> thanks cjwatson
[01:04] <cjwatson> jono: when I upgraded on Monday or so I had to logout/login before I could control networking again; I *think* pitti fixed that but not sure
[01:05] <jono> thanks, cjwatson, I think I will get it installed here
[01:06] <cjwatson> not in a departure lounge then?
[01:07] <cjwatson> oh yeah, you're local
[01:07] <cjwatson> duh
[01:07] <cjwatson> I swear I get stupider on the wrong side of the pond
[01:08] <jono> cjwatson, heh, yep, I am sat in a coffee shop
[01:08] <jono> have a reasonably free weekend until the family return tomorrow night
[01:08] <jono> so I am currently using this as an opportunity to learn about QML some more
[01:08] <jono> and likely upgrade to Saucy
[01:12] <cjwatson> looks like openssh does still need some work to handle logind correctly
[01:12] <cjwatson> not that that has any effect on most saucy users
[01:13] <cjwatson> maybe attempting to fix that should be my plane project
[03:56] <hulu> where the ubuntu livecd's casper create default user
[03:56] <hulu> who can help me
[04:41] <cyphermox> hulu: what do you want to know
[04:43] <hulu> cyphermox: i want to change the home directory of the default user of livecd
[04:44] <hulu> cyphermox: can you help me?
[04:45] <cyphermox> well, the home directory should match the user name used
[04:45] <cyphermox> if that's not what you want then you probably want to modify scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser to some degree.
[04:46] <cyphermox> I'm not sure where the username itself is defined
[04:46] <hulu> cyphermox: i want to change the ubuntu's .bashrc
[04:48] <cyphermox> ok
[04:49] <cyphermox> I'd probably just add a script to modify the file
[04:49] <cyphermox> somewhere after 25adduser
[04:50] <cyphermox> hulu: in any case, you can look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/casper/saucy/view/head for how all this is setup -- the scripts in the scripts directory are executed to create the user and set things up
[04:51] <cyphermox> the user is defined in casper.conf in the root directory
[04:55] <hulu> cyphermox: i want to change the /etc/skel,but the livecd don't create default user with /etc/skel
[04:55] <cyphermox> hmm, I don't know
[04:56] <cyphermox> I would have thought it come from /etc/skel, yes.
[04:56] <cyphermox> perhaps there is another script in casper that does that
[05:03] <hulu> cyphermox: i can't find the right place
[05:03] <cyphermox> hulu: I don't know how to help you more, I don't know how that file gets written if it's not via skel.
[05:04] <hulu> cyphermox: thx
[05:04] <cyphermox> hulu: that said, like I wrote above, I'd possibly just write a new script in the script folder that edits .bashrc via sed or something
[05:04] <cyphermox> or just blindly append to it
[05:04] <hulu> cyphermox: the livecd create default user with out /etc/skel
[05:05] <cyphermox> I'm not sure what you want to do with .bashrc, but it's possibly the wrong method too
[05:07] <hulu> cyphermox: i change the .bashrc,and place the changed file in /etc/skel,but the livecd create the default user without /etc/skel
[05:08] <cyphermox> sure
[05:08] <cyphermox> but you can overwrite the file in the user's home directory after it's written
[05:09] <hulu> cyphermox: what's you means?
[05:10] <cyphermox> well, somewhere after the user is created, you can write another .bashrc in /home/$USERNAME  to do what you want, no?
[05:12] <hulu> cyphermox: i want to change the .bashrc before user create
[05:13] <cyphermox> hmm okay
[05:13] <cyphermox> sorry, I don't know
[05:14] <cyphermox> I'm going to have to logoff now, need to catch a plane
[05:15] <hulu> bye
[05:16] <infinity> LoganCloud: Could you please refrain from doing forced sync over packages that need merging?
[06:21] <scarecrow_> Where can I find more information about ubuntu touch, TV and phone?
[08:32] <sladen> congratulations on the release!
[12:09] <Riddell> is merges.ubuntu.com working for saucy?
[12:57] <ScottK> Riddell: yes.
[14:02] <dakotawulfy> hi
[15:27] <infinity> Hrm, why am I completely unshocked that a package called "mutextrace" hung several buildds?
[15:44] <ion> :-D
[15:45] <penguin42> haha
[20:07] <weasel> heya.
[20:08] <weasel> is there some kind of lucid-backports repository that would have a reasonably recent debhelper I could use for building backports?
[20:11] <tumbleweed> there is lucid-backports, but Ubuntu backports policy would make backporting something like debhelper require a crazy amount of testing. I see it has been done in the past, though. ScottK?
[20:12] <rbasak> Backporting debhelper would certainly make backporting easier. Most of the time I've backported something (generally not to any official repo though) the only task was to wind back compat.
[20:13] <elmo> weasel: I have a 8.0.0ubuntu2~0.IS.10.04 for lucid, if that's any help, ISTR backporting anything newer to lucid got hard
[20:13] <rbasak> And debhelper is good at retaining backwards compatibility
[20:13] <maxb> weasel: The key questions really are 1) backporting what? 2) how new a debhelper do you need? and 3) backporting for publication where?
[20:13] <weasel> elmo: that's about the same level that squeeze has.  that should suffice
[20:14] <maxb> It's often convenient to backport a version of debhelper into backport PPAs, which requires varying degrees of care depending on what packages it is going to be used fo
[20:14] <elmo> weasel: k, one sec, I'll dump it on people.canonical.com
[20:14] <maxb> *for
[20:14] <weasel> maxb: building my tor binaries for deb.tpo.  I just modernized the packaging of the source package to use a new style dh debian/rules, and that requires reasonably recent debhelper.
[20:14] <maxb> tpo?
[20:14] <weasel> torproject.org
[20:15] <Laney> I reckon we could/should work out a way of backporting debhelper.
[20:15] <maxb> I have a lucid backport of 8.1.2 here: https://launchpad.net/~mercurial-ppa/+archive/builddeps/+packages
[20:15] <maxb> Let me review the diff and remind myself what I had to change
[20:15] <Laney> testing all of the rdeps would be a joke, but it's hardly likely to be necessary given what it is
[20:15] <weasel> so everybody seems to make their own?
[20:16] <Laney> apparently so
[20:16] <rbasak> How about a new debhelper9 binary package? THen you'd only have to tweak Build-Depends for a backport. It won't matter if it conflicts with debhelper, right?
[20:16] <weasel> seems an awful waste.  <cue sweeney todd>
[20:16] <elmo> weasel: http://people.canonical.com/~james/debhelper/
[20:17] <Laney> let me just mail the backporters and see if we can do it properly
[20:17] <weasel> thanks.  I guess I can put that in a repo somewhere and teach schroot to add that to sources.list
[20:17] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/ubuntu/lucid/debhelper/builddeps-ppa <-- looks like 8.1.2 just built fine with no changes on lucid
[20:18] <weasel> elmo: while I have you around, did you see my question on #d-a?
[20:18] <maxb> I think everyone tends to make their own because it's relatively easy to validate it's fine for any given single backporting project, but amazingly hard to have one true backport
[20:20] <maxb> At least you're only going back as far as lucid
[20:20] <maxb> Backporting debhelper 7.3 to hardy was "interesting" :-)
[20:22] <weasel> I dropped hardy support not too long ago :)
[20:22] <weasel> Date:   Tue Apr 9 14:17:18 2013 +0000
[20:22] <weasel>     We no longer build hardy

[20:23] <maxb> Yes, really no point these days. It was nearly two years ago when I made that backport
[21:48] <ScottK> tumbleweed: We backported debhelper 7 to hardy-backports.  Debhelper is a bit different since it's only used at build time.  Backports of it are relatively safe since anything you're backporting had to build with the newer debhelper in the series you're backporting from.
[21:51] <tumbleweed> mind you, we'd need to solve backports build-depending on backports, first
[21:52] <Laney> for >= natty, yes
[21:52] <tumbleweed> oh, was that not an issue for lucid? np then
[21:53] <ScottK> Yep
[22:00] <Marlinc> Any mailing list moderators online?
[22:02] <Marlinc> Never mind it has been accepted already


[00:45] <falcojr> chiluk: You were asking about rerunning networking. Not sure if this is what you want, but there's a net-convert tool to test cloud-init's rendering of network config
[00:45] <falcojr> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/cli.html#devel
[00:46] <falcojr> you can feed it your v1 or v2 network config and have it spit out the distro-specific networking config that you're working with
[00:47] <falcojr> and to rerun cloud-init without booting, you can do something like
[00:47] <falcojr> cloud-init clean --logs; cloud-init init --local; cloud-init init; cloud-init modules --mode=config; cloud-init modules --mode=final;
[00:48] <falcojr> but as somebody mentioned, this isn't a great idea unless it's purely for development/debugging on a throwaway instance
[20:37] <blackboxsw> holmanb: falcojr I saw promoting the `cloud-init devel schema` to a top-level subcommand landed `cloud-init schema`. Did folks have a discussion about whether there would be a separate PR that would still respond to `cloud-init devel schema` with a deprecation or wrapper to the real entry point? I ask because I know there are external blogs askubuntu questions that make reference to the old subcommand location
[21:17] <Guest44454> Hi all, can I get some help on my yaml here for cloud-init?
[21:18] <Guest44454> Here is my yaml:
[21:18] <Guest44454> #cloud-config
[21:18] <Guest44454> autoinstall:
[21:18] <Guest44454>   version: 1
[21:18] <Guest44454>   identity:
[21:18] <Guest44454>     hostname: ubuntu-server
[21:18] <Guest44454>     password: "$6$exDY1mhS4KUYCE/2$zmn9ToZwTKLhCw.b4/b.ZRTIZM30JZ4QrOQ2aOXJ8yk96xpcCof0kxKwuX1kqLG/ygbJ1f8wxED22bTL4F46P0"
[21:18] <Guest44454>     username: ubuntu
[21:18] <Guest44454>   interactive-sections:
[21:18] <Guest44454>     - storage
[21:18] <Guest44454>   users:
[21:18] <Guest44454>       - name: guy1
[21:18] <Guest44454>         groups: sudo
[21:18] <Guest44454>         sudo:  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[21:18] <Guest44454>         primary_group: guy1
[21:18] <Guest44454>         lock_passwd: false
[21:18] <Guest44454>         passwd: "$6$mUvHxAq8YK2ZO$urxKPXcW2RRjHyRiQ3P34B.XOouwgsx9Qu4EZnBfvVFvn74HenKJyrCvfb6bJRd2wf5Jk6Sa/lvokB5mGfOo2."
[21:18] <Guest44454> This does not work, anyone can help me?
[21:19] <arinov> logs?
[21:19] <Guest44454> The part that does not work is the users: Everything else works (The Ubuntu server installs fine)
[21:19] <Guest44454> Where can I find the logs?
[21:20] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: on the installed system you can run `sudo cloud-init query userdata; sudo cloud-init devel schema --system --annotate` as well as 'egrep warning|traceback /var/log/cloud-init.log'
[21:20] <Guest44454> Ok, let me check ..
[21:23] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: also generally the installer yaml provides a contstruct where anything you are trying to pass to cloud-init directly needs to be under a "user-data:" key
[21:23] <Guest44454> This yaml is my user-data file, sorry I forgot to mention
[21:24] <falcojr> blackboxsw: "a separate PR that would still respond to `cloud-init devel schema` with a deprecation or wrapper to the real entry point?" deprecation was in the PR but I preferred we remove it entirely
[21:24] <minimal> Guest44454: where is group "guy1" created?
[21:25] <falcojr> according to our docs, Collection of development tools under active development. These tools will likely be promoted to top-level subcommands when stable.
[21:25] <falcojr> Do NOT rely on the output of these commands as they can and will change.
[21:25] <minimal> normally a (primary) group is created with the same name as the user automatically
[21:26] <blackboxsw> so I'm guessing your yaml needs to be something like this https://paste.opendev.org/show/bOKYUL6wXcS0TnIFDkJ5/
[21:26] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: ^
[21:26] <minimal> Guest44454: ignore me, I misread the YAML lol
[21:27] <blackboxsw> falcojr: ok; on not supporting the 'devel schema' entry point. it should generally be discoverable given it'll be present as a top-level cmd.
[21:29] <Guest44454> blackboxsw: Results to logs:
[21:29] <blackboxsw> minimal: yeah, with the fact that autoinstall supported schema is from the Ubuntu live-server installer is effectively a super-set of cloud-config directive under a sub-key "user-data:". Both teams have an item on our next 6 month roadmap to make sure the combined schema validation is done at install time to avoid concerns like Guest44454 is raising here.
[21:31] <Guest44454> -bash: egrep warning|traceback /var/log/cloud-init.log: No such file or directory
[21:31] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: that tells us cloud-init hasn't run I think. `cloud-init status --long`
[21:34] <blackboxsw> or rather `sudo cloud-init status --long` in your environment
[21:34] <Guest44454> blackboxsw: I installed my custom iso with this yaml, and only had to interact with the storage setup (as per yaml). After reboot, I could login with the user ubuntu and password ubuntu
[21:34] <Guest44454> so that tells me it did run, but did not add my additional user?
[21:37] <Guest44454> status: done
[21:37] <Guest44454> time: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 21:27:56 +0000
[21:37] <Guest44454> detail:
[21:37] <Guest44454> DataSourceNone
[21:39] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: please maybe take us through the steps you followed to create the custom iso , as the "users:" yaml directives you provided is completely ignored and something else is providing cloud-init with your default ubuntu user. If the "users:" directive was being seen by cloud-init it cloud-init would not have created the default ubuntu user on the system because it expects to minimally see `users:\n- default\n- name:
[21:39] <blackboxsw> your_additional_user....\n`
[21:39] <Guest44454> This is the result from the sudo cloud-init query*** command:
[21:39] <Guest44454> #cloud-config
[21:39] <Guest44454> growpart:
[21:39] <Guest44454>   mode: 'off'
[21:39] <Guest44454> locale: en_US.UTF-8
[21:39] <Guest44454> preserve_hostname: true
[21:39] <Guest44454> resize_rootfs: false
[21:39] <Guest44454> users:
[21:39] <Guest44454> - gecos: ubuntu
[21:39] <Guest44454>   groups: !!set
[21:39] <Guest44454>     adm: null
[21:39] <Guest44454>     cdrom: null
[21:39] <Guest44454>     dip: null
[21:39] <Guest44454>     lxd: null
[21:39] <Guest44454>     plugdev: null
[21:39] <blackboxsw> ok datasourceNone looking good.
[21:39] <Guest44454>     sudo: null
[21:39] <Guest44454>   lock_passwd: false
[21:39] <Guest44454>   name: ubuntu
[21:39] <Guest44454>   passwd: $6$exDY1mhS4KUYCE/2$zmn9ToZwTKLhCw.b4/b.ZRTIZM30JZ4QrOQ2aOXJ8yk96xpcCof0kxKwuX1kqLG/ygbJ1f8wxED22bTL4F46P0
[21:39] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: please use https://paste.opendev.org or paste.ubuntu.com to aid in readability for us
[21:40] <Guest44454> Ok,
[21:40] <blackboxsw> ok so the users definition is coming from somewhere else. From the live server installer POV. I expect this is under /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-installer.cfg
[21:41] <Guest44454> Does this help:
[21:41] <Guest44454> #cloud-config
[21:41] <Guest44454> growpart:
[21:41] <Guest44454>   mode: 'off'
[21:41] <Guest44454> locale: en_US.UTF-8
[21:41] <Guest44454> preserve_hostname: true
[21:41] <Guest44454> resize_rootfs: false
[21:41] <Guest44454> users:
[21:41] <Guest44454> - gecos: ubuntu
[21:41] <Guest44454>   groups: !!set
[21:41] <Guest44454>     adm: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>     cdrom: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>     dip: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>     lxd: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>     plugdev: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>     sudo: null
[21:41] <Guest44454>   lock_passwd: false
[21:41] <Guest44454>   name: ubuntu
[21:41] <Guest44454>   passwd: $6$exDY1mhS4KUYCE/2$zmn9ToZwTKLhCw.b4/b.ZRTIZM30JZ4QrOQ2aOXJ8yk96xpcCof0kxKwuX1kqLG/ygbJ1f8wxED22bTL4F46P0
[21:42] <blackboxsw> I mean the stream of lines that you copy into IRC makes it a bit tough and noisy for folks trying to follow the conversation. So remote paste links makes it easier to re-read/understand the conversation
[21:42] <Guest44454> My custom iso is from this site / gentleman: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/hpc/How-To-Make-Ubuntu-Autoinstall-ISO-with-Cloud-init-2213/
[21:43] <Guest44454> Thanks blackboxsw, I can paste in remote link, but how do I share it :)
[21:43] <blackboxsw> great. you can go to either https://paste.opendev.org/ or paste.ubuntu.com and cut and paste your text there and hit submit. then you can paste just the link here and we can see that formatted text easily
[21:44] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: but all good for the moment.
[21:45] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: so note from what you saw in `sudo cloud-init query userdata` shows us that it didn't honor your `users:` autoinstall directives
[21:46] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: I believe this is because you need to have any specific cloud-init overrides under a "user-data:" key instead of just under "autoinstall:"
[21:48] <Guest44454> Ok, can I say at this point, I have no idea what that means? Yes, I am very new to yaml & cloud-init
[21:48] <Guest44454> Do I add a user-data: key before users:
[21:50] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: no worries. Note as well that your "identity:" section in your original paste defines that ubuntu default user/password. and it seems like you are trying to pass "users:" directives into cloud-init proper. In this installer case, you'd want to pass "users:" into cloud-init  and the way to do that is to add a "user-data:" key above "users:". Which I represented in this paste
[21:50] <blackboxsw> https://paste.opendev.org/show/bOKYUL6wXcS0TnIFDkJ5/
[21:51] <Guest44454> :)  Ok, so I guessed that correctly
[21:51] <Guest44454> Thanks,
[21:54] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: also I'm not truly certain how the live-server autoinstall yaml interacts with cloud-init when you provide both `identity:` and `user-data: users:` as the docs show that providing user-data makes identity: optional. So you may end up needing something like this (with a `-default`) added on line 12 https://paste.opendev.org/show/bErdasUTKXCOApN3ftF3/
[21:54] <Guest44454> Now, I will try this and see if it works, behind that, i need to add respositories, update the system, install additional software from my repositories and configure network..... fun
[21:54] <Guest44454> @black
[21:54] <blackboxsw> good luck and please do provide feedback on how that worked for you or bumps you hit
[21:55] <blackboxsw> we are actively trying to improve the experience here as it is confusing
[21:55] <Guest44454> blackboxsw yes, I believe the - default string add the user to the existing admin user
[21:55] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: schema docs for the autoinstaller syntax in case you haven't seen them  https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference
[21:55] <Guest44454> Thanks, will do....
[21:55] <blackboxsw> great
[21:56] <Guest44454> Maybe I should create a username so i can come back and not get lost in the sea
[21:57] <blackboxsw>  /nick somename_you_want will do that if you like
[22:01] <ice10001> Here goes. Startin up my VM with my custom iso
[22:01] <blackboxsw> welcome ice10001
[22:02] <ice10001> :)  I am Guest 44454
[22:07] <ice10001> Lol, now I cannot log in via any account, the guy1 or the ubuntu
[22:13] <ice10001> Apologies, I can now log in with guy1
[22:13] <ice10001> But not with ubuntu
[22:13] <ice10001> But that is progress!!
[22:24] <blackboxsw> nice, ice10001  yeah I'm presuming the identify: and user-data: users are colliding somehow in what gets passed into cloud-init
[22:25] <ice10001> I have removed the - default parameter, lets see..
[22:25] <ice10001> Not that I know it will work, but am literally trying to see what could be causing issue
[22:33] <blackboxsw> ice10001: you could specifically omit the `identity:` section entirely and provide user-data:\n  hostname : ubuntu-server\n  password: ""$6$exDY1mhS4KUYCE/2$zmn9ToZwTKLhCw.b4/b.ZRTIZM30JZ4QrOQ2aOXJ8yk96xpcCof0kxKwuX1kqLG/ygbJ1f8wxED22bTL4F46P0"\n
[22:33] <blackboxsw> and leave the `- default` in  your `users:` list
[22:33] <blackboxsw> then you won't have to collisions with how the live-server autoinstall is handling the ubuntu user setup.
[22:34] <blackboxsw> and cloud-init specifically will do that work to setup the  -default (ubuntu) user and hostname directly instead of relying on the autoinstaller layer (subiquity) to do that work ahead of time
[22:34] <ice10001> Let me write that so I understand...
[22:35] <ice10001> Oh wait... so no identity, just straight to user-data:
[22:36] <blackboxsw> instead of https://paste.opendev.org/show/bOKYUL6wXcS0TnIFDkJ5/ I'm wildly guessing something like this 2nd paste https://paste.opendev.org/show/bIO6TFx6ksSGVRuhVRaP/
[22:36] <blackboxsw> yeah ice10001 like the above
[22:37] <blackboxsw> ok I have to head out for the day. Hope that works for you or something close to that
[22:37] <ice10001> Thanks you so much!!
[22:37] <Newbie> I am new here and new to cloud-init and would appreciate some guidance
[22:37] <Newbie> has anyone tried using compressed gzip encoded userdata in alicloud?
[22:38] <Newbie> I have been failing miserably with it to while decoding


[00:35] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance2: http://www.ryanhallman.com/?p=32
[00:42] <Havenstance2> ya i tried that, its broken still
[00:42] <Havenstance2> don't know why it would be but it is
[00:42] <Havenstance2> i can use my external IP to connect just fine, but no one else can
[00:42] <Havenstance2> obviously my machine is set as an always allow object though
[01:19] <rick_h_> https://github.com/jdorn/json-editor
[01:19] <rick_h_> waf: ^
[11:06] <cmaloney> Morning.
[11:15] <rick_h_> ugh, now is it friday?
[11:29] <cmaloney> Closer still
[12:52] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:58] <brousch> yes
[13:07] <cmaloney> Morning and all that.
[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> neat. Work is paying the registration for that self.conference thing
[13:37] <ColonelPanic001> now to wait and see what the hell is going to actually be there
[13:37] <rick_h_> lol
[13:39] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: Submit your talk now!
[13:41] <ColonelPanic001> "Magento: How to work on this PHP thingy without hanging yourself, and how I've been mostly successful, so far"
[13:41] <mrgoodcat> lol
[13:42] <mrgoodcat> rick can do a talk on how much macbooks and ruby suck
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> I'd go.
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> I like ruby's syntax, from a little glancing at it
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> but I am not experienced with it enough to have a strong opinion
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> I just like that it was like Perl with nicer objects
[13:42] <cmaloney> Now now now, not how much they suck but how they get it wrong. :)
[13:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: lol
[13:42] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: I feel like I left an impression last night
[13:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I think the seismologists are still trying to figure out the source of that crater.
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[13:43] <brousch> macbooks suck?
[13:44] <rick_h_> yes
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> I just don't like apple in general.
[13:44] <cmaloney> brousch: They're less than trivial to get running anything other than OSX
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> big surprise from someone in an ubuntu channel, I know.
[13:44] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Tun in your geek cred card. :)
[13:44] <brousch> Oh well there's a surprise
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> there's nothing geeky about apple.
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> there are plenty of better reasons for to turn in my card
[13:45] <rick_h_> cmaloney: got me all wined up and then set me loose against ruby and apple last night at CHC
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> haha
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> I'm sorry I missed it.
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> I like a good rant that I agree with
[13:45] <rick_h_> and poor mrgoodcat got caught in the cross fire
[13:45] <rick_h_> or in front of the bulls eye, something like that
[13:45] <brousch> because he's a ruby-loving macbooker?
[13:46] <brousch> Who also uses emacs?
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> mrgoodcat was writing Ruby on his macbook at the time?
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> brousch: people with 35 fingers
[13:46] <cmaloney> I got you wined up? Riiiiight.
[13:46] <rick_h_> lol
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> I'd like to get rick_h_ all wined up. wink wink.
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> nudge nudge
[13:46] <rick_h_> that's my story and I'm sticking to it
[13:47] <cmaloney> I think the only thing I could have provided to help would have been a funnel.
[13:47] <cmaloney> ;)
[13:47] <rick_h_> lies
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> sounds like CHC has gotten more fun out there since I was last in attendance
[13:51] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: WEll, if you discount the deathmatches and cabaret numbers it's pretty much the same.
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> I will not discount the deathmatches
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> I'll show up for them.
[13:55] <cmaloney> Cool. :)
[13:56] <rick_h_> cmaloney: oh, I never got your my mutt config
[13:57] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7162865/
[13:57] <cmaloney> no worries. Whenever you get a chance.
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> that's ruff.
[13:57]  * ColonelPanic001 just leaves now.
[13:57] <rick_h_> cmaloney: and I just  */5 * * * * /usr/bin/notmuch new
[13:58] <brousch> That reminds me, I picked the worst week to deliver alcohol to rick_h_
[13:58] <rick_h_> brousch: is that you?
[13:58] <rick_h_> brousch: I got it resched for monday. I couldn't figure out where the wine was coming from. I can't sign for it as I'm an hour away and couldn't remember ordering anything
[13:59] <cmaloney> rick_h_: What is mutt-notmuch? Is that a script?
[13:59] <rick_h_> cmaloney: oh yea probably http://notmuchmail.org/notmuch-mutt/
[14:00] <cmaloney> kk
[14:01] <rick_h_> cmaloney: see http://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2012/03/mutt-notmuch_is_dead/
[14:01] <rick_h_> cmaloney: that's what I started with
[14:01] <brousch> rick_h_: Yeah. i thought I was smart since you are normally home to sign for it, but realized just now that this is an abnormal week
[14:02] <rick_h_> see https://bmark.us/recent/mutt for useful mutt links :)
[14:02] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, well cool and thanks for explaining the mystery
[14:02] <rick_h_> my wife thinks I joined another wine club lol
[14:02] <brousch> hah!
[14:02] <brousch> I'll deny it all if she asks
[14:02] <rick_h_> "I thought you were done with any more wine clubs!"
[14:04] <cmaloney> Apparently notmuch-mutt is integrated into notmuch
[14:04] <cmaloney> which is packaged in releases after precise. :)
[14:05] <brousch> rick_h_: Sorry for the stress. It was supposed to help you get through GSoC easier
[14:05] <rick_h_> oh nice
[14:05] <rick_h_> brousch: lol, awesome
[14:05] <rick_h_> Well I've rescheduled it for monday so look forward to checking it out then
[14:10] <brousch> It's a bottle of my wife and I's favorite wine
[14:10] <rick_h_> brousch: ah very cool
[14:10] <rick_h_> shame we werent' around. Wife and I are having a belated anniversary dinner/evening and would be good to pop open
[14:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Thanks!
[14:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: got it working?
[14:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, seems to be
[14:12] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, yea it's the key to my move to mutt
[14:12] <cmaloney> Though not sure what F9 is supposed to do
[14:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: so highlight a message in your inbox, and it'll pull the thread together based on search
[14:13] <rick_h_> so let's say you've been getting a thread over time and archiving the old messages each day, you can regen the thread. Good for "oh I got a reply, what was the original message?"
[14:13] <cmaloney> Ah, OK.
[14:14] <rick_h_> I don't use it a ton as usually a search on subject/etc is better
[14:14] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[14:17] <cmaloney> Ugh. I'd love to unsubscribe from the loco-contacts list some days.
[14:17] <cmaloney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2014-March/006664.html
[14:26] <mrgoodcat> i'm not saying it isn't a valid pursuit, but it is annoying to get those emails
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> ugh... rubygems is so jenky today
[15:47] <cmaloney> s/ today/./g
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> no i usually don't have problems
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> it is intermittent right now
[15:48] <cmaloney> Not that you're aware of.
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> can anyone tell me why the menu text is not wrapping properly on cclub.dyladan.me
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> http://cclub.dyladan.me <- clickable :)
[19:00] <mrgoodcat> it's been pissing me off
[19:01] <rick_h_> define menu text and why would it wrap?
[19:01] <rick_h_> .pure-menu .pure-menu-heading: white-space: no-wrap ?
[19:02] <brousch> .pure-menu a, .pure-menu .pure-menu-heading { white-space: nowrap;
[19:02] <brousch> Damn you rick_h_  and you fast fingers!
[19:02] <rick_h_> I shortcut and only copied half the stuff :P
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> lol
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> it would wrap because the text is too wide for the menu. i mean the bar on the side
[19:03] <mrgoodcat> and thanks
[19:05] <mrgoodcat> perfect seems to work now
[19:05] <mrgoodcat> off to class
[21:26] <cmaloney> Afternoon
[22:08] <mrgoodcat> afternoon
[22:09] <mrgoodcat> i just read the website computer club for the first time an apparently it's wildly inappropriate
[22:09] <mrgoodcat> http://ccowmu.org
[22:09] <mrgoodcat> ಠ_ಠ
[23:13] <Havenstance_> mrgoodcat, do you happen to be on? I have an easy question for ya
[23:14] <mrgoodcat> hey
[23:14]  * mrgoodcat is omnipresent
[23:14] <Havenstance_> easy question, do you know if you can pull up that graph that zentyal shows for the ethernet ports for say a 24 hour period?
[23:15] <mrgoodcat> the traffic graph?
[23:15] <Havenstance_> yeah
[23:15] <Havenstance_> network > BW Monitor gives me an unexpected sql error
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> hmm
[23:16] <Havenstance_> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at /usr/share/perl5/EBox/MyDBEngine.pm line 466, <GEN0> line 3850. Stack: [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/MyDBEngine.pm:466] [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/MyDBEngine.pm:496] [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/BWMonitor.pm:178] [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/BWMonitor/Model/BWUsage.pm:131] [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/Model/DataTable.pm:1458] [/usr/share/perl5/EBox/Model/DataTable.pm:1403] [/usr/share/ze
[23:16] <Havenstance_> ntyal/templates/ajax/modelViewer.mas:79] [/usr/share/zentyal/templates/ajax/tableBody.mas:21] [/usr/share/zentyal/templates/ajax/tabMenu.mas:60] [<anonymous component>:36] at /usr/share/perl5/EBox/CGI/Base.pm line 340
[23:16] <mrgoodcat> ummmmm
[23:17] <mrgoodcat> i thought you said this would be an easy one
[23:17] <Havenstance_> i thought it would be until i saw that lol
[23:17] <mrgoodcat> this is teh module you want http://doc.zentyal.org/en/monitor.html
[23:17] <mrgoodcat> the bandwidth monitor only does an hour
[23:18] <Havenstance_> okay, so this module apt-get install zentyal-monitor?
[23:19] <mrgoodcat> is that a package?
[23:19] <mrgoodcat> not a valid package on my machine
[23:20] <Havenstance_> Just going back to the install of the server they stated that apt-get install zentyal-module where module is the desired name
[23:20] <mrgoodcat> oh
[23:20] <Havenstance_> idk now the dashboard is timing out I half wonder if this is a corrupt install somehow. I installed via apt-get rather then the cd because making a CD for me is painful as shit on this box
[23:20] <mrgoodcat> well its not a valid package
[23:21] <Havenstance_> zentyal-monitor - Zentyal - Monitor
[23:21] <Havenstance_> says so on the website lol
[23:21] <Havenstance_> i'll try it & report back momentarily
[23:23] <mrgoodcat> any luck?
[23:23] <mrgoodcat> i'm in class so i have to go
[23:24] <Havenstance_> says its already the newest version
[23:24] <mrgoodcat> sry. i'll be on later
[23:24] <Havenstance_> alright man i'll try at it and let you know how it pans out :)
[23:24] <Havenstance_> Maintenance>Monitoring
[23:24] <Havenstance_> found it ty
[23:46] <Havenstance_> and its b0rked too
[23:46] <Havenstance_> sql server is fucked, gonna reinstall this i'll be back on after im downloading and gonna do it from the cd because I think that the apt-get version is broken even PCMANFM Isn't working


[11:56] <Linux_Galore> problems*
[11:56] <dwidmann> I don't know, I think I have a link to the lupine repo though, sleepy495
[11:57] <sleepy495> ok thanks
[11:57] <dwidmann> deb http://beryl-mirror.lupine.me.uk edgy main
[11:57] <dwidmann> somewhere on that site, I know that's the one for beryl, not sure if the nvidia-glx is in there also or not
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> also kubuntu doesnt seem to manager on board sound cards and pci together well
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> manage*
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> ie "no sound"
[11:58] <dwidmann> my onboard sound works fine :)
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: yeah, but then get a PCI card and do an install, half the time kubuntu cant figure out what to do, you have to manually run asoundconf   and define the default sound card
[11:59] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, I see . .. hmm, I'd sooner disable the onboard in the bios if I dropped in a pci card though
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: if you have a PCI sound card with "on board sound" it should default to the PCI card but it doesnt
[12:01] <genii> My onboard sound worked fine first time out
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: some poor bugger was in here yesterday for an hour trying to fix it, no one could figure it out or give an answer, lucky I logged in and told him how to fix it
[12:02] <dwidmann> so I can remember in case I ever need to know, after running asoundconf, how do you go about defining the default sound card
[12:02] <Timas> oh, I've got a router here that had a bad firmware updating session and now fails to do anything.. anyone here have an idea how I might fix this, if at all possible?
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: ok its a 2 step thing
[12:03] <genii> Timas If it's a WRT54 series mayboe otherwise no
[12:03] <BluesKaj> ok, if you've installed a new seperate souncard without changing the BIOS CMOS peripherals , then neither soundcard will work
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: first step is  "asoundconf list"     get them to post what is outputs
[12:04] <BluesKaj> the onboard soundcard must be 'disabled'
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> it*
[12:04] <Linux_Galore> BluesKaj: cant always do that
[12:04] <dwidmann> not all bios's have that option blueskaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> most new pc have that option from my experience
[12:05] <Timas> sitecom wl-122
[12:05] <Timas> had to dig it up from under the rubble :P
[12:05] <suntzu> hello ppl how do i set a volume label like msdos command 'label'?
[12:05] <dwidmann> BluesKaj, not everyone has a new pc either
[12:06] <BluesKaj> sometimes setting up a new soundcard in windows first is the way to go
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: second step is   pick a card then type  "asoundconf set-default-card <model>"  <model> = one of the chipsets listed with the exact same text descriptor
[12:06] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: then reboot
[12:06] <farkr> it's weird how a lot of sites are saying that slackware is best for linux noobs because you get to learn how linux works but with ubuntu is 'debian' for noobs. is that true?
[12:07] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, thanks, I've jotted that down.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> debian is linux too
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: its strange but there is nothing in kubuntu to set the default
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: graphically
[12:08] <sleepy495> After I do a fresh install of Edgy and update the system via Adept what are some things to install first besides video drivers?
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: or if you do try "nothing happens"
[12:08] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, then perhaps, someone should write something like that
[12:09] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: need a kommander tidy up thing for newbies
[12:09] <dwidmann> kommander tidy up thing?
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: graphical helper script that fixes common newbie problems
[12:10] <dwidmann> I figure if I get around to doing it I'd use PyQt/PyKDE
[12:10] <genii> Timas :( I know some tricks for the WRT54 series but tjose , no, I'm sorry
[12:10] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: too late now for edgy/dapper
[12:10] <Timas> no worries, the quest has begun, if its possible I can do it, although I don't know how yet!
[12:10] <BluesKaj> sleepy495, first of all it all depends on what hardware is or isn't working
[12:11] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore, are you saying this "tidy up script" is already present, and wanting to give me the link, or are you saying one needs to be written :s
[12:11] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: well dapper has one, edgy doesnt
[12:12] <dwidmann> Ah
[12:12] <dwidmann> Link me, I'll see if I can do anything with it
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: Im thinking maybe kubuextra ported to edgy with a few add ons
[12:12] <uber_mort> I need to do something like this INSERT INTO tableA SELECT * FROM tableB WHERE 1 ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE colX   (and have the values from tableB overwrite the values from tableA)
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: let me get the link
[12:12] <arkanabar> Mebbe next time I'll install Dapper first & then upgrade to edgy
[12:12] <uber_mort> errrr, I was in the mysql channel, I swear
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=48166
[12:14] <farkr> whats the command to completely reinstall kde (mines broken and a half)?
[12:14] <farkr> in edgy
[12:14] <dwidmann> my inter connection feels so slow today :\


[00:58] <dudanogueira> good night all :)
[01:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is pleia2.
[01:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:00] <pleia2> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for July 22nd. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:00] <pleia2> this is a make-up meeting for one we had to reschedule from last week :)
[01:00] <pleia2> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[01:00]  * beuno apologizes
[01:01] <pleia2> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:01] <pleia2> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:01] <pleia2> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:01] <pleia2> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:02] <pleia2> dyfet was approved by email since he started his app during the last meeting, we'll announce his approval along with the rest of the applicants, so congrats dyfet!
[01:02] <nhandler> Congratulations
[01:03] <greg-g> yes, congrats again, dyfet!
[01:03] <pleia2> is jturek here?
[01:03] <pleia2> ok, we'll come back to him if he makes it
[01:03] <pleia2> stlsaint: are you here?
[01:03] <stlsaint> here
[01:03] <pleia2> [TOPIC] stlsaint membership
[01:03] <beuno> hi stlsaint
[01:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  stlsaint membership
[01:03] <stlsaint> beuno: hello
[01:05] <pleia2> stlsaint: please go ahead and introduce yourself and link to your wiki :)
[01:05] <stlsaint> names matthew, nickname is stlsaint. I am employed with the US govt as a information tech. I have used ubuntu a little over a year 1/2. Here is link to wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[01:06] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[01:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stlsaint
[01:06] <stlsaint> Sorry for small introduction but i hope that my wiki explains more
[01:07] <pleia2> stlsaint: if you were to pick a strong point of yours within the community, what would you highlight as something you are most proud of/spend the most time on?
[01:07] <stlsaint> support
[01:07] <nhandler> stlsaint: I notice that you mention you are part of the Screencast team. What have you been doing as a member of that team?
[01:08]  * maco waits for wiki to loa
[01:08] <maco> *load
[01:08] <maco> stlsaint: us gov? so are you local to me then? dc area?
[01:08] <stlsaint> nhandler: yes, the team has just been recently been reorganized so there has not been a cast yet but my first plan is to do a screencast of a manual partition of maverick
[01:08] <stlsaint> maco: i am a soldier in the US Army
[01:08] <maco> ah
[01:09] <pleia2> stlsaint: any tx team plans on the horizon?
[01:09] <dudanogueira> stlsaint: and events, with pictures of happy users?
[01:09] <dudanogueira> hehehe
[01:10] <greg-g> I was just getting ready to ask why it is call the "centex" team, but I just woke up from a nap, so it just took my brain a second to realize the obviousness :)
[01:10] <stlsaint> pleia2: yes, i have proposed a get together of the various seperate locos in a "geeknic" and i have future plans for the killeen team becoming more formal
[01:10] <nhandler> stlsaint: You mention a goal of becoming a bugcontrol member. Are you part of the bugsquad mentoring program right now?
[01:10] <stlsaint> nhandler: yes i am, my mentor is ddecator
[01:10] <greg-g> oh good
[01:11] <nhandler> :)
[01:11] <stlsaint> :D
[01:11] <pleia2> [VOTE] stlsaint membership
[01:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  stlsaint membership.
[01:11] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:11] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:11] <pleia2> +1
[01:11] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:11] <beuno> +1
[01:11] <MootBot> +1 received from beuno. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:12] <nhandler> +1
[01:12] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:12] <dudanogueira> +1
[01:12] <greg-g> +1
[01:12] <MootBot> +1 received from dudanogueira. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:12] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:12] <maco> +1
[01:12] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[01:12] <pleia2> [endvote]
[01:12] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[01:12] <nhandler> Congratulations stlsaint !
[01:12] <pleia2> congrats and welcome stlsaint!
[01:12] <maco> wow we got 6 board members to show up? O_O
[01:12] <stlsaint> very nice :D
[01:12] <greg-g> congrats stlsaint!
[01:12] <stlsaint> thank you all!!
[01:12] <pleia2> maco: yeah, for a meeting with only one applicant, doh!
[01:12] <maco> congrats!
[01:12] <greg-g> :)
[01:12] <dudanogueira> stlsaint: welcome!
[01:13] <maco> pleia2:  haha whoops
[01:13] <stlsaint> dudanogueira: thank you
[01:13] <stlsaint> greg-g: appreciate it :D
[01:13] <pleia2> doesn't look like jturek is going to make it
[01:13] <greg-g> sad
[01:13] <nhandler> Well, great meeting everyone
[01:13] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[01:13] <greg-g> paultag: you missed stlsaint being approved, I saw you wrote a testimonial
[01:13] <paultag> Ach! I was here to cheer stlsaint :)
[01:13] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[01:13] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:13.
[01:13] <stlsaint> paultag: ;)
[01:13] <paultag> greg-g: yeah, I was in community-team arguing with doctormo
[01:13] <pleia2> paultag: it's ok, he didn't need you ;)
[01:14] <greg-g> paultag: it happens
[01:14] <paultag> righto :)
[01:14] <paultag> great meeting, grats stlsaint :D
[01:14] <paultag> thanks approval board :)
[01:14] <stlsaint> paultag: thanks man
[01:14] <greg-g> I might have to put that quote in a blog post or something, paultag
[01:14] <paultag> greg-g: fire at will, that there is public domain ;)
[01:14] <greg-g> :)
[01:15] <maco> oh wait look
[01:15] <jturek> phew - sorry guys.. timezone was off on my iphone from flyin g:(
[01:15] <pleia2> oh!
[01:16] <stlsaint> uh oh
[01:16] <pleia2> going to check real quick to see if we have quorum
[01:16] <pleia2> jturek: we just wrapped up the meeting, but we can probably reopen :)
[01:16] <jturek> oh , i am sorry
[01:17] <jturek> We need a push notification ubuntu-meeting iphone app :)
[01:17] <pleia2> hehe
[01:17] <jturek> that is timezone agnostic
[01:17] <paultag> jturek: or get a droid ;)
[01:18] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[01:18] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:18. The chair is pleia2.
[01:18] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:18] <pleia2> ok, here we go again :)
[01:18] <pleia2> [TOPIC] jturek membership
[01:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  jturek membership
[01:18] <nhandler> Can you introduce yourself jturek ?
[01:18] <jturek> Sure
[01:19] <jturek> Hi Guys, I am John Turek  - a long time ubuntu user
[01:19] <jturek> I have been involved with passing on the ubuntu flame for years, now.  and I run a local linux users group in rural PA
[01:19] <jturek> My main job runs a UEC with a large voip deployment
[01:20] <jturek> I'd like to be a ubuntu member to be able to continue my indoctrination of ubuntu to others
[01:20] <jturek> I have been working more with #ubuntu-community and getting to know everybody there
[01:21] <jturek> (even was a runner up with Jono's new UEC Laison position)
[01:21] <jturek> Thanks for considering me for membership
[01:22] <jturek> nhandler: ok
[01:22] <maco> where's your wiki link?
[01:22] <pleia2> jturek: can you discuss some of the work you've done in the community thus far? your wiki is kind of sparse
[01:22] <dudanogueira> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnTurek
[01:23] <jturek> Hi, the wiki is space since i have little web based community involvement,  it has mostly been in the local and rural setting.
[01:23] <jturek> I was on many of th emeetings of the last UDS in belgum (remotely) and contributed some feedback in the UEC meetings and Server
[01:23] <pleia2> jturek: have you tried working at all with the ubuntu pennsylvania team?
[01:24] <maco> couldnt get any of the in-person-people to write on it?
[01:24] <jturek> pleia2: I'd like to reach out to the other ubuntu locals and grow our rural team,  its difficult where i live
[01:24] <nhandler> jturek: I see you are a member of the 5-a-day team. How much bug triaging have you done?
[01:24] <pleia2> jturek: loco teams are great for that, pennsylvania is my old loco (I just moved a few months back) and they're a great bunch, a lot of folks who are rural and always looking to swap best practices and tips :)
[01:25] <jturek> excellent pleia2 i look forward to growing that
[01:25] <jturek> and nhandler  I made a committment to myself to work on triaging bugs more, I helped with python-snippets and other small jono projects.. and I did alot of bug reporting back in the old days if BitchX and gaim
[01:26] <jturek> I will continue to give more time as it has become available, esp with Maverick
[01:26] <dudanogueira> jturek: have you contributed with documentation or support on mailing lists?
[01:26] <maco> jturek: couldnt get any of the in-person-people to write on your wiki page?
[01:27] <jturek> Maco,  If its truly required, I will get a snippet from a few local team members and have them added.  Sorry it isn't on there
[01:28] <nhandler> jturek: It isn't really "required", but they are a very big help
[01:28] <pleia2> jturek: that'd be great, testimonials are really valueable to this process, particularly in your case where much of your work can not be reflected in statistics and "web work"
[01:28] <jturek> ok pleia2
[01:28] <pleia2> if you worked with jono you might also ask him for a testimonial, as well as the folks you've been working with remotely since UDS
[01:29]  * nhandler has to go to dinner
[01:29] <jturek> And dudanogueira the support has been in IRC chat alot of the times,  for the lernid and snippets projects, I am doing a proxy impelemntation for Lernid to work behind irc blocked networks
[01:29] <dudanogueira> that's very good!!
[01:30] <jturek> since I am blocked at work as well.. which breaks lernid :)
[01:31] <jturek> I have worked with Amazon EC2 engineers to help get AMI's deployed for customers as well in a consulting role
[01:31] <pleia2> jturek: if you have time to help with lernid more, you should pop around #ubuntu-classroom-backstage to chat with the classroom folks, I know there are a few bugs out there we'd like to see addressed :)
[01:31] <jturek> pleia2: i'd be glad to
[01:31] <pleia2> great :)
[01:31] <jturek> I usually keep my irc on while my day job is going on... just right now I was out chasing kids around
[01:31] <jturek> ;)
[01:31] <pleia2> jturek: so I'd suggest you collect some testimonials from folks who know your work in the community, and then return in a couple months so we can review your app again
[01:32] <pleia2> oh, and head over to #ubuntu-us-pa to chat with the pennsylvania folks, might even find some others in your area
[01:32] <nhandler> But you are definitely off to a great start. I look forward to seeing you come back
[01:32] <jturek> thanks nhandler
[01:32] <jturek> and pleia2
[01:32] <jturek> sorry to hold you guys off
[01:32] <pleia2> no need for apologies, thanks for coming :)
[01:32] <jturek> maybe an iphone app can be implemented by then so I don't miss this again
[01:33] <jturek> (yes, and android ) :)
[01:33] <maco3> android!
[01:33] <paultag> jturek: Thanks for comming!  P.S. -- If you're close to Ohio, please stop by #ubuntu-us-oh, you're more then welcome over :)
[01:33] <dudanogueira> or meego, on a near future...

[01:33] <maco3> aaaaaaaand come to ohio linuxfest! im sure plenty of us will be there
[01:33] <paultag> wooo!! +1 maco3
[01:34] <maco3> yeah </plug>
[01:34] <maco3> paultag: see you there?
[01:34] <jturek> I am about 2 hours east of Erie, PA
[01:34] <paultag> jturek: ah! right around the corner
[01:34] <paultag> maco3: I'm here :)
[01:34] <pleia2> [endmeeting]
[01:34] <paultag> maco3: Oh, yes, duh! See you there!
[01:34] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[01:34] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:34.
[01:34] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[01:34] <maco3> jturek: are you near state college then?
[01:34] <jturek> alright guys,  i'll gather everything up for the next one
[01:35] <jturek> maco3: 4 hours north
[01:35] <dudanogueira> jturek: thank you!!
[01:35] <jturek> alright, ia m going to get back outside before the kids kill themselves
[01:35] <maco3> i didnt think there was 4 hours of space between state college and ny O_O
[01:35] <jturek> HAHA!!!
[01:36] <jturek> yeah,  google Coudersport, PA
[01:36] <jturek> I work for Level 3 communications which has an office there.. as a Tier 4 IP/Voice engineer
[01:36] <jturek> if you ever see level3.com/.net in a traceroute.. thats us
[01:36] <jturek> :)
[01:36] <maco3> O_O there's like.... 6 roads one way and 10 roads the other
[01:36] <jturek> yeap, one stop light
[01:37] <jturek> alright nice to meet all of you
[01:37] <maco3> (i'm from pittsburgh and spend holidays in ny, btw)
[01:37] <maco3> have a nice night
[01:37] <jturek> oh! cool
[01:38] <jturek> i'll catch you guys on here, and can I get criticizm about my wiki if I ask one of you to look it over for suggestions after i work on it?
[01:38] <jturek> don't want to waste y'all time again
[01:38] <maco3> jturek: im not in pittsburgh anymore though ;-) escaped to a bigger city
[01:48] <dudanogueira> gotta go, thank you all!
[09:33] <czajkowski> aloha


[04:06] <j-4sman> whos on
[07:59] <Phryq> anyone know how to make Ubuntu recognize my windows phone?
[13:33] <akar1m> hello
[13:39] <TK-999> Hey
[16:00] <casey_> I receive the following error when attempt to launch Audacity, audacity: error while loading shared libraries: libid3tag.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
[16:01] <casey_> How can I resolve this issue?
[16:42] <papujobs> can anybody help me with this?
[16:42] <holstein> papujobs: ask
[16:42] <papujobs> what is the purpose of this channel?
[16:43] <TK-999> " Welcome to the Ubuntu Beginners Team support channel || Please do not wait to ask, simply ask!"
[16:43] <holstein> papujobs: let me run the /topic command and paste it here for you
[16:43] <holstein> "Welcome to the Ubuntu Beginners Team support channel || Please do not wait to ask,  simply ask! || How to ask smart questions: http://bit.ly/d7z6T || Nobody around after 20 minutes? Try asking in  #ubuntu || Want offtopic? Head over to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[16:43] <holstein> as TK-999 ^^ posted
[16:44] <papujobs> is ther ubuntu operating system for mobiles?
[16:45] <holstein> !phone
[16:45] <holstein> !tablet
[16:45] <papujobs> difference between ubuntu and windows ?
[16:46] <holstein> papujobs: you can try ubuntu live if you'd like
[16:46] <holstein> they are different operating systems
[16:46] <holstein> !ubuntu
[16:47] <papujobs> help me with developing operating aystems?
[16:48] <holstein> papujobs: ubuntu is an operating system, and its open, so you are free to look as closely at the code as you like
[16:48] <papujobs> which programming channle u prefer?
[16:48] <papujobs> *channel
[16:48] <holstein> papujobs: i dont
[16:49] <holstein> papujobs: i read about python sometimes.. but i am not in any programming channels
[16:49] <papujobs> i want u to prefer me some?
[16:53] <papujobs> what u r good at then?
[16:53] <holstein> papujobs: me personally?
[16:53] <papujobs> yeah
[16:53] <holstein> im a musician, and a supporter.. a volunteer like most are in these support channels
[16:53] <papujobs> um new in the computing industry
[16:54] <papujobs> u use virtual instruments ?
[16:54] <holstein> not much
[16:54] <papujobs> country from?
[16:54] <holstein> i do for testing purposes
[16:54] <holstein> im in the US
[16:55] <papujobs> what kind of music?
[16:56] <holstein> i freelance, so pretty much whatever i am hired to do.. but mostly jazz when i have a preference
[16:56] <papujobs> so u knw Ray Charles
[16:57] <holstein> not personally
[16:57] <papujobs> get me a list of best jazz artists?
[16:58] <holstein> "best" is a matter of opinion
[16:59] <holstein> plus, this is actually an official support channel.. if you'd like to ask me in one of the offtopic channels, id be glad to talk about that
[16:59] <papujobs> gimme the list of famous jazz artists?
[16:59] <holstein> papujobs: sure.. in one of the OT channels.. you can also just google that if you prefer
[17:00] <papujobs> thanks.


[06:05] <hikiko> hi
[07:54] <larsu> good morning!
[07:57] <robert_ancell> larsu, o/
[07:58] <larsu> hi robert_ancell!  How are you these days?
[08:08] <robert_ancell> pitti, doing good. Was a nice day so took the kids to the pool and working tonight instead
[08:08]  * pitti tosses a snowball to robert_ancell
[08:08] <robert_ancell> :P
[08:09] <hikiko> did you ever get this error: "Failed opening dbus connection: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /sys/fs/cgroup/cmanager/sock: No such file or directory." ?
[08:45] <willcooke> morning ganf
[08:45] <willcooke> gang
[08:47] <larsu> morning willcooke!
[08:52] <alexarnaud> morning all !
[08:53] <alexarnaud> morning larsu willcooke :)!
[08:53] <larsu> hi alexarnaud
[09:00] <jibel> lan3y, willcooke is anyone looking at the build failure of the desktop rootfs?
[09:00] <jibel> good morning :)
[09:04] <Guest80303> hi
[09:04] <Guest80303> might keep this nick
[09:04] <sarnold> it's a good nick
[09:04] <sarnold> nice feng shui
[09:04] <Laney> jibel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyotherside/+bug/1534067
[09:04] <Laney> so "yes"
[09:04] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:05] <Laney> hi larsu!
[09:06] <Laney> how are you?
[09:06] <jibel> Laney, thanks
[09:07] <larsu> Laney: good thanks. hacking an index into that local geonames database
[09:09] <Laney> nice
[09:26] <Laney> larsu: can you jhbuild the glib-2.46 branch?
[09:26] <Laney> it breaks for me
[09:26] <Laney> or is there some smart way of doing it that I don't know
[09:27] <larsu> let me try
[09:27] <larsu> how did you tell jhbuild to build that branch?
[09:27] <Laney> m4macros/glib-gettext.m4:39: error: m4_copy: won't overwrite defined macro: glib_DEFUN
[09:27] <Laney> buildone -n
[09:27] <Laney> after switching to it
[09:28] <larsu> are you sure that doesn't switch back? (I think you need `jhbuild make` for that)
[09:28] <Laney> unless it does it behind my back
[09:29] <Laney> anyway, cool command! but it fails in the same way :(
[09:30] <larsu> works fine for me. Did you run on a clean checkout?
[09:30] <larsu> git clean -dxf is your friend
[09:30] <Laney> yeah
[09:30]  * larsu figured, just making sure
[09:33] <larsu> Laney: ah got it now!
[09:34] <larsu> works on master
[09:34] <Laney> yeah
[09:35] <Laney> and if you cherry-pick 6b577196eed0754d2805fd48caa64f58f9bb8ee4
[09:36] <larsu> yeah I just stumbled over that as well
[09:36] <larsu> maybe we should backport that?
[09:36] <larsu> but deprecating a marco on a relase branch is awkward
[09:37] <Laney> don't understand why it fixes it really
[09:37] <Laney> is it lazy or something?
[09:37] <Laney> the error is on an unchanged line
[09:37] <larsu> unchanged since 2002 :)
[09:38] <Laney> I meant unchanged by that patch, but unchanged itself for ages too(!)
[09:41] <Laney> another cool thing is if you run the autogen.sh invocation manually then it works
[09:41] <Laney> so I guess jhbuild is setting ACLOCAL_CFLAGS?
[09:43] <Laney> ACLOCAL_PATH=/home/laney/dev/gnome/install/share/aclocal:/usr/share/aclocal
[09:43] <Laney> intriguing
[09:44] <larsu> oh - maybe the macro is defined through an old glib installation in the jhbuild install dir?
[09:45] <Laney> ja
[09:46] <larsu> Laney: right, this works. Probably we had a newer version of glib installed
[09:46] <larsu> pruning the install dir fixes the issue for me
[09:46] <Laney> wonder how I never had this before
[09:47] <larsu> dunno
[09:47] <pitti> good morning Laney
[09:47] <larsu> I didn't becasue I never build older glibs from jhbuild
[09:49] <Laney> but glib_DEFUN should still have been there
[09:49] <Laney> clearly don't understand this properly
[09:49] <andyrock> morning
[09:49] <Laney> maybe it's doing some deduplication
[09:49] <Laney> because the files were previously identical
[09:49] <Laney> hey pitti, hey andyrock
[09:49] <Laney> pitti: late night last night?
[09:49] <andyrock> just back from the dentist. it was not a good start of the day
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: oh yes -- basketball, and then another 3 hours of p-m sprint
[09:50] <andyrock> :(
[09:52] <larsu> Laney: hm indeed
[09:55]  * Laney tests this theory
[09:58] <Laney> mmm
[09:59] <Laney> so I guess it has some protection against scanning the same file twice
[09:59] <larsu> #pragma once
[10:00] <Laney> well that was a good learning experience
[10:04] <Laney> now I wonder why all keyboard shortcuts broke in terminator
[10:06] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, seems I can hardlock/crash my machine by building libreoffice-l10n in a pbuilder ...
[10:30] <Laney> uh oh
[10:30] <Laney> I have a suspicioooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnn
[10:33] <Laney> it points to a person from canada who likes to go climbing
[10:56] <willcooke> ruh roh
[11:43] <willcooke> davmor2, can you make this happen?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1536590
[11:43] <willcooke> no hurry
[11:55] <cyphermox> willcooke: Laney: if you land the unity-control-center merge, it might be a good idea to do the same change on gnome-control-center
[11:56] <willcooke> cyphermox, ack, good plan
[11:56] <willcooke> just waiting to see if seb128 has a strong feeling one way or the other
[11:57] <cyphermox> yeah
[11:58] <cyphermox> I don't mind either way. I don't especially like removing the switch from there, but in my defense it's also very poorly done
[11:58] <cyphermox> rfkill is all very ugly and painful
[11:59] <willcooke> from my POV, there is almost always a hardware switch anyway
[11:59] <cyphermox> no
[11:59] <cyphermox> that's a very bad lie ;)
[11:59] <willcooke> ?!
[12:00] <cyphermox> many switches are software-only
[12:00] <willcooke> oooh
[12:00] <willcooke> interesting
[12:00] <cyphermox> and a quite a few break in fun ways
[12:00] <Laney> What is wrong with using urfkill other than it is some work to do it?
[12:00]  * willcooke retracts his last assertion
[12:00] <willcooke> ;)
[12:00] <cyphermox> Laney: not much
[12:01] <Laney> thought so
[12:01] <willcooke> yeah nothing other than work
[12:01] <cyphermox> Laney: it should work just fine, it's just the incertainty of doing the work of testing it some more on the desktop
[12:01] <cyphermox> we already unbroke quite a few things when it was tested for the phone
[12:02] <cyphermox> (and I suspect it's pulled in if you were to install desktop-next or something)
[12:02] <davmor2> willcooke: mine just always says search computer and online but let me update and see if it still says it
[12:03] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[12:04] <willcooke> cyphermox, Laney - thinking about this a little more, missing airplane mode from an LTS is probably a bad idea
[12:05] <cyphermox> the problem right now is that the switch lies, since it's not saved across reboots
[12:05] <Laney> I don't really like "it's a bit broken, so let's remove it" instead of "it's a bit broken, we should fix that" to be honest
[12:06] <Laney> but it's not going to be me doing the work so you shouldn't count my opinion very much
[12:06] <cyphermox> Laney: both options do fix the problem, they just take vastly different steps to do it
[12:06] <willcooke> :D
[12:07] <cyphermox> all of the network panel is evil IMHO :)
[12:10] <davmor2> willcooke: confirmed there are issues there
[12:12] <davmor2> willcooke: when I open from the dash button it said search computer, after turning on then off the search online, However when I hit the meta key it then showed search computer and online still,  then when I open from the dash it then says computer and online again
[12:13] <Laney> BUGGY CRAP!
[12:14] <davmor2> willcooke: also xapian seems to be broken on upgrade I assume that is just a deb issue that might not of uploaded so I'll try that again after Lunch
[12:14] <Laney> fixed
[12:15] <jibel> davmor2, bug 1536093
[12:16] <davmor2> jibel: ah thanks dude :)
[12:17] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[12:20] <Laney> doko borked the fix and had to do it twice
[12:20] <Laney> good times
[12:20]  * Laney was irritating him about it yesterday
[12:37] <Sweet5hark> so, I had GNU make on xenial getting struck when building libreoffice-l10n twice, yet when I abort and restart it gets unstruck ....
[12:37] <Sweet5hark> (regression in make 4.1? fun!)
[12:39] <willcooke> fun indeed
[12:40] <Sweet5hark> OTOH: various [ 8976.073014] "CPU3: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 29018)" and now I even weirder error from make (possibly because of overheating?)
[12:43] <Sweet5hark> ETOOMANYPOSSIBLEROOTCAUSES, reducing build to two l10ns and disabling parallelism ...
[12:52] <willcooke> when I initialise an array in C/C++ can I be sure that all the elements are set to 0?
[12:53] <pitti> willcooke: yes for global variables, no for stack (i. e. function local) vars
[12:53] <willcooke> ah ha
[12:53] <willcooke> thanks pitti
[12:53] <pitti> and most certainly not for malloc()/new'ed vars
[12:54] <pitti> willcooke: calloc() is quite convenient (in C)
[12:54] <pitti> both for safe array size allocation and for clearing
[12:54]  * willcooke reads
[12:54] <willcooke> thx
[12:57] <Laney> g_new0!
[12:58]  * pitti ^5s Laney
[12:58] <pitti> willcooke: right, with more context (C or C++, glib or not, static or dynamically sized, etc.) we can become more specific
[12:58] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: if you are in C++(11)  and use a std::array (which isnt a bad idea) the elements will be default constructed ...
[12:59] <Sweet5hark> Laney: glib: OOP like its 1989!
[13:00] <pitti> Sweet5hark: c'mon, for C is really quite nice OOP
[13:00] <Sweet5hark> pitti: dont feed the troll. ;)
[13:02] <pitti> and with attribute ((__cleanup__)) (when wrapped in some nice macros) it feels outright comfy :)
[13:05]  * Sweet5hark wises up on the fact that his "will be default constructed" statement is only true when providing an initializer.
[13:05] <willcooke> It's my lunchtime learn some C session.  I'm using Arduino's C++ which I understand is not "normal" but close enough to C
[13:05] <willcooke> even though it's C++
[13:06] <Sweet5hark> otherwise, C++ will stick to its principle of most surprise and do what the coder least expects.
[13:07] <Sweet5hark> (the latter got a little bit better with C++11 though. A little bit.)
[13:07] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, see pm
[13:08] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: I uploaded rc2, didnt copy to libreoffice ppa as -l10n ftbfs in interesting ways.
[13:09] <pitti> willcooke: C and C++ are really quite different; you shouldn't think of them as basically one language with a few differences
[13:09] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, on local builds? the ppa build succeeded though
[13:10] <pitti> yeah, C++ is 'orrible :-( If you stick to a "safe subset" and modern C++, like with Qt, it's okay
[13:10] <willcooke> ha
[13:10] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, if you suspect a problem make 4.1 it wouldn't concern the backports
[13:11] <ricotz> I really like to push those builds to get something recent
[13:11] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: arrrgh, it did see the old build still on my private ppa.
[13:12] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thus local breakers are likely due to overheating only.
[13:12] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, you should really give your builds some useful version strings!
[13:12] <ricotz> suffixed with ~xenialX
[13:12] <ricotz> to avoid those version clashes
[13:13] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hehe, don't blame make if your memory/cpu gets too hot ;)
[13:16] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: curiously its fine with the non-l10n stuff. for whatever weird reason, l10n stuff really heats (my) hardware ...
[13:16] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, too clarify those https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging/+packages
[13:17] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: yes, those are the latest.
[13:17] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I guess I asked you several times, but please to ppa specific versions
[13:20] <Sweet5hark> pitti: the hard part is to know what the 'safe subset' of C++ is. And everyone is using a different 'safe subset' of C++.
[13:22] <Sweet5hark> pitti: I was quite enthusiastic about C++11 cleaning things up ... and then I read effective modern C++ and learn about the old pitfalls that remained and the new ones that were added.
[13:24] <Sweet5hark> ... still C++11 is an improvement by leaps and bounds over C++03, but it still has lots of weird corners.
[13:25]  * Sweet5hark makes note to self to really do a pet project in rust to see if it is as good as he hopes.
[13:25] <anpok> there is C++14 btw...
[13:27] <Sweet5hark> anpok:  two quotes from https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/quips.cgi?action=show on that: "mst_: thorsten: the problem with C++14 is that it's still C++" and ...
[13:27] <Sweet5hark> anpok: "Well, except that: std::vector<int>(3, 0) is doing something  different from: std::vector<int>{3, 0} just to make things more  interesting. But hey, that's C++ for you."
[13:28] <anpok> yeah different code means different things.. just get over it.
[13:34] <Sweet5hark> anpok: the whole '{}' initializer thing was introduced to clear things up, but it didnt really in the end. For 99% of the cases ctor(2,0) and ctor{2,0} do the same, but in some corner cases they do different things. That is bound to cause subtile and hard to triage bugs.
[13:35] <Sweet5hark> anyway: true to the principle of most surprise.
[13:37] <anpok> It is backward compatible.. so the possible improvements were very limited.
[13:40] <anpok> c++ developers that enjoy the language are a flock of people enjoying complex things..
[13:43] <Sweet5hark> anpok: there are only two kinds of programming languages: those that suck, and those that nobody uses.
[13:44] <willcooke> and Python
[13:44] <willcooke> ;p
[13:44] <Sweet5hark> willcooke:
[13:44] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: ^^^ does that code run for you? its entirely whitespace
[13:44] <Sweet5hark> is it friday yet?
[13:44] <willcooke> soon!
[13:45]  * Sweet5hark tries to hold his guns then.
[14:00] <desrt> hi team!!
[14:07] <pitti> hey desrt!
[14:08]  * desrt hugs pitti
[14:08] <desrt> good morning :)
[14:08]  * pitti hugs desrt back, how are you?
[14:09] <pitti> looking forward to FOSDEM, I hope I see some of you there!
[14:09] <desrt> you will see me.
[14:09] <pitti> with Ubucon I guess didrocks and seb128 won't come?
[14:09] <pitti> desrt: ah, nice!
[14:09] <desrt> assuming my travel documents are in order
[14:09] <pitti> Laney: you as well?
[14:09] <pitti> Sweet5hark: and you?
[14:11] <willcooke> pitti, they're still going :)
[14:12] <pitti> willcooke: great
[14:12] <willcooke> pitti, correction, didrocks is going.  Seb not
[14:15]  * desrt has an ingress date with didrocks
[14:16] <willcooke> :D
[14:28] <Laney> pitti: yup
[14:29] <Laney> pitti: what are your plans?
[14:29] <Laney> ahoy desrt
[14:29] <pitti> Laney: I'll go to Leuven next Wednesday, to visit Michael again
[14:29] <pitti> Laney: and on Sat/Sun we come to FOSDEM in the morning; I'll stay at his place Sat night, though
[14:29] <pitti> Laney: and I take the 18:20 ICE back to Augsburg Sun evening
[14:30] <pitti> Laney: I might pop up at the systemd hackfest on Friday (was just announced yesterday)
[14:35] <desrt> michael?
[14:35] <desrt> oo.  systemd hackfest.
[14:35] <desrt> i never miss a chance to hug lennart
[14:36] <Laney> pitti: ah nice, see you around then!
[14:50] <jdstrand_> Laney, desrt: hey, curious on your opinion here. I have some users that plan to upgrade to xenial and they use evolution. webkit/main-ness aside, what are your thoughts on evolution in terms of stability, usability, etc these days?
[14:51] <jdstrand_> Laney, desrt: I'm going to use it (under appamor, /me shakes fist at webkit) until the release. I have to say-- it so far seems to be maintained quite well
[14:52] <desrt> jdstrand: i switched to webmail ages ago :(
[14:55] <Laney> hi jdstrand
[14:55] <Laney> I don't worry too much when I have to file bugs on evolution because it has a nice responsive upstream
[14:55] <Laney> I think it pretty much works well although it's always been a bit of a big beast
[14:56] <Laney> some operations aren't the quickest
[14:56] <Laney> sort of reminds me of Outlook last time I used that but I guess that they aim for similar things
[14:56] <jdstrand> yeah
[14:56] <Laney> so that's not surprising
[14:56] <Laney> probably going to punt it to universe soon
[14:56] <jdstrand> I used to use it all the time, then switched to tbird personally when Canonical switched to supporting it
[14:56] <Laney> because webkit1
[14:57] <jdstrand> I always liked evolution
[14:57] <jdstrand> it is still in main?
[14:57] <Laney> yeah
[14:57] <jdstrand> oh, probably for support
[14:57] <jdstrand> (UA)
[14:57] <Laney> guess so
[14:57] <jdstrand> the security team has a note on not providing updates to webkit
[14:58] <Laney> just read that webkitgtk is going to start publishing CVEs
[14:58] <jdstrand> I'd love for someone to get excited about oxide and create gtk3 bindings for it
[14:58] <Laney> that's webkit2gtk for us
[14:59] <jdstrand> they tried that before iirc (being responsive to CVEs). the problem was resources-- they couldn't backport easily so they needed new versions and they couldn't maintain that for the duration of one of our stable releases (even non-LTS)
[15:00] <jdstrand> classic webkit support problem
[15:00] <jdstrand> anyhoo, I hope they figure out how to do it this time :)
[15:00] <jdstrand> Laney: thanks for the feedback. with it still being in main, that gives me a little more to think about
[15:01] <Laney> not for long
[15:01] <Laney> larsu fixed a bug in the theme that was blocking the switch
[15:01] <Laney> so it's more or less ready to go after I test my port of software center a bit more
[15:02] <mdeslaur> Laney: to go to universe?
[15:03] <Laney> sorry I don't know what the other half of that question is
[15:03] <mdeslaur> Laney: you said it's "more or less ready to go", to go what?
[15:03] <mdeslaur> Laney: to get punted to universe?
[15:03] <Laney> ah yes
[15:04] <jdstrand> Laney: you might want to talk to the UA folks
[15:04] <Laney> swap for the new one which removes the webkit api
[15:04] <Laney> webkit1
[15:04] <Laney> sure I will but it's not really an option to stay on the ancient version any more
[15:04] <Laney> so it's going to happen one way or another
[15:04] <jdstrand> oh, I think I didn't understand what you were talking about
[15:05] <Laney> if that's keep two webkits in main then you get to get angry
[15:05] <jdstrand> Laney: so there is an evolution that is webkit1 and one that is webkit2?
[15:05] <Laney> no
[15:05] <jdstrand> there is only webkit1
[15:05] <Laney> tpopela at redhat is working on it
[15:05] <jdstrand> one for webkit1
[15:05] <Laney> indeed
[15:06] <jdstrand> I see
[15:06] <Laney> they are adding API to webkit itself to support evolution's usecases
[15:07] <Laney> wysiwyg editing stuff
[15:29] <desrt> that's pretty cool
[15:34] <Laney> :|
[15:34] <Laney> time to play whack a mole on more failing tests
[15:35] <Laney> pitti: can you add testing of reverse test-deps to your sprint? :)
[15:36] <pitti> Laney: won't be able to do that today, but it's on my WI list for Jan/Feb indeed
[15:36] <pitti> needs some prerequisite work in dpkg
[15:36] <Laney> pitti<EMAIL_ADDRESS>like this
[15:36] <Laney> python-psutil broke autopilot yet migrated
[15:37] <Laney> actually wouldn't that have been a runtime dep even?
[15:37] <Laney> yes
[15:38] <Laney> but no recorded test for this upload
[15:40] <Laney> oh I see, autopilot-gtk -> python{,3}-autopilot -> python-psutil
[15:40] <Laney> so this is a recursive case
[15:41] <Mirv> ah, wow, it's a feature not a bug. sort of. if one accidentally enables High Contrast mode in lightdm, it starts looking ugly, not really high contrast and loses user backgrounds.
[16:36] <Laney> FFS
[16:43] <Laney> mitya57: I don't suppose you know about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232311658/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.autopilot-legacy_1.4.1+15.10.20150911-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz do you?
[16:43] <Laney> it happens on all arches, just s390x tried to build later on
[17:23] <Mirv> now if I forget it again in a year or two, I may find my own questio and answer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/723902/lightdm-doesnt-show-wallpaper-background-and-colors-are-wrong/723903 :)
[18:00] <mitya57> Laney, looks like a bug in Sphinx :)  Unfortunately I don't have time to look at it today, will do tomorrow.
[18:00] <Laney> okay!
[18:10] <Laney> night night
[18:25] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[18:26] <seb128> kenvandine, "with new LE devices we never know the type before they are connected." ... does it mean we can't display device icons anymore? seems like an user regression, it seems weird that new protocols have such limitations
[18:31] <willcooke> hey seb128!
[18:31] <willcooke> How goes?
[18:31] <seb128> hey willcooke!
[18:31] <willcooke> seb128, sorry for the spam :)
[18:31] <seb128> good, watching Mark's keynote atm
[18:32] <seb128> no worry
[18:32] <seb128> I didn't read the airplane mode thing yet
[18:32] <seb128> but GNOME got that working I think, even the hotkey
[18:32] <seb128> we should maybe look at backporting what they did?
[18:36] <willcooke> night all
[18:39] <willcooke> bah video streams not working for ubucon
[18:39]  * willcooke hits mhall119 and runs
[19:54] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm not sure, morphis could explain better
[19:54] <kenvandine> he convinced me it would be better to remove the isSupportedType all together
[19:54] <kenvandine> i think pat and bill are convinced too
[19:55] <kenvandine> seb128, he said even if a device isn't something we claim to support, pairing would usually succeed
[19:55] <kenvandine> the issue is we don't have an app that utilizes them all
[19:55] <seb128> well, fine, but get the design updated then ;-)
[19:56] <kenvandine> i'll bring it up in tomorrow's meeting


[05:18] <flocculant> knome: assuming you did nothing then automatically 17.10 is gone
[07:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: so re us only having LTS available now - what's your best choice for  reminding people how to go for regular releases?
[07:02] <flocculant> we do at least document it on the official docs - so we could do some simple blog/mail posts pointing there
[07:02] <flocculant> alternatively we can have a really really quiet 2 years :p
[08:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: Bionic is both the LTS and the regular release atm :)
[08:53] <Unit193> That's the only reason I'm using it.
[08:53] <bluesabre> knome: can we update the download page to say "supported until {month}, {year}" instead of "support for 3 years"
[08:54] <Unit193> ...Except for the server.
[08:54] <Unit193> bluesabre: Means more updating.  Also you see elementary-xfce got in? :D  That means the copyright changes were good. ;D
[08:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: that's awesome, is it part of a team or a few direct uploaders?
[08:55] <knome> sure, it's plain text (atm at least)
[08:55] <knome> theoretically we might want to automate that part too though
[08:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: Just the three of us, no team.
[08:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool
[08:56] <knome> just filed bug 1782875
[08:56] <knome> don't have time to update the things now, but if you want, you are free to go edit the pages
[08:56] <knome> well, page
[08:56] <bluesabre> knome: alrighty, cool
[08:57] <knome> it's already listed with the EOL date here: https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[08:57] <Unit193> bluesabre: ...Was team preferred? :3
[08:57] <knome> so yes, no reason why we couldn't do that elsewhere
[08:57] <Unit193> Still pending sn-plugin, and I'm not pushing xfdashy at alll.
[08:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: nah, I just wanted to know who we had to poke anytime an icon changes
[08:59] <knome> hmm, so the only questio with moving to a automated dl page is this:
[08:59] <knome> +n
[08:59] <knome> do we want to show all non-EOL LTS releases or just the last one
[09:00] <knome> we also need to figure out how we do not lock in the wording too badly, meaning we will likely need a few textarea inputs..
[09:00] <knome> or one, for the dl template
[09:01] <knome> oh, and we will need an LTS switch for the release taxonomy
[09:01] <knome> sigh, sounds like i should write a bug ;)
[09:01] <bluesabre> :D
[09:03] <bluesabre> knome: probably all non-EOL, otherwise no point in us supporting the 3rd year (no download links for it)
[09:03] <knome> yep
[09:03] <knome> well, the dl links would be available in the release page..
[09:05] <knome> bug 1782876
[09:05] <knome> wow, two consecutive bug numbers
[09:06] <knome> has the LP team got the spam stuff in order?
[09:06] <Unit193> Nobody cares to file bugs anymore.
[09:06] <knome> even the spammers :P
[09:06] <bluesabre> every other bug is package failed to install/upgrade
[09:07] <knome> heh.
[09:07] <knome> anyway, got to go
[09:07] <knome> bbl
[09:07] <bluesabre> seeya knome
[09:07] <Unit193> Truth.
[10:39] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea I know that - and update mangler is set to check for LTS only - so even when 18.10 is released no-one will be prompted


[04:41] <Mirv> like on Wed and Thu, I'd like to request preNEW binary review of the new Mir: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-028/+sourcepub/5311965/+listing-archive-extra - packaging changes already acked by a core-dev. a list of the new packages at the top of https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/mir_packaging_changes.diff
[04:42] <Mirv> I'd like it to be considered "having been in the queue" (as much as CI Train packages can) before FF so that FFe would not be needed
[08:28] <zequence> How is wubi.exe included onto the ISOs?
[08:28] <davmor2> zequence: it sit in a archive and is pulled in aiui
[08:29] <zequence> davmor2: How can I make it so it isn't included onto Ubuntu Studio ISOs?
[08:30] <davmor2> zequence: one for slangasek ev or stgraber maybe
[08:31] <zequence> thanks
[08:32] <lordievader> Is wubi still supported?
[09:09] <davmor2> lordievader: no
[09:11] <lordievader> Good ;)
[10:23] <Mirv> ^ if the archive admin handling those would be so kind, see the Mir preNEW review request above
[10:31] <rbasak> I swear I sponsored a cifs-utils merge yesterday but Launchpad doesn't seem to have it and I never got an email back it seems.
[10:32] <rbasak> I have an .upload file though that says everything was uploaded successfully
[10:32] <rbasak> Any tips? I could just try re-uploading I suppose.
[10:32] <cjwatson> 2015-08-20 16:34:15 INFO    Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150820-163358-019341/ubuntu/cifs-utils_6.4-1ubuntu1_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150820-163358-019341/ubuntu/cifs-utils_6.4-1ubuntu1_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public key')", "(7, 9, u'No public ...
[10:32] <cjwatson> ... key')"]
[10:32] <cjwatson> did you sign it?
[10:33] <rbasak> My local version is signed here, and gpg verifies
[10:33] <cjwatson> I would suggest reuploading then, possibly a weird keyserver glitch
[10:33] <rbasak> I might have done something stupid like uploaded before signing though
[10:33] <rbasak> OK, I'll retry - thanks.
[10:33] <cjwatson> you could verify that by timestamp checks
[10:33] <cjwatson> .changes vs. .upload
[10:35] <rbasak> Good point
[10:35] <rbasak> .changes is older than old .upload.
[10:35] <rbasak> So it looks like it was signed
[10:35] <rbasak> It has worked this time.
[10:35] <rbasak> Thanks!
[10:37] <cjwatson> ok, cool
[11:15] <cjwatson> Mirv: AA ack for mir; more new binaries than usual but I've looked things over and they look right to me
[11:17] <Mirv> thank you, kind sir cjwatson
[13:56] <coreycb> hello, can an archive admin please promote python(3)-fasteners to main? this will help get some of our openstack packages out of dependency waits.
[14:08] <cjwatson> coreycb: done
[14:09] <coreycb> cjwatson, thanks
[14:10] <cjwatson> also moved python3-{appconf,jingo,oslo.messaging}
[14:14] <coreycb> cjwatson, great, thank you
[17:22] <Trevinho> Hi, we've libxpathselect blocked on silo because of autopilot failures (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xpathselect), however those falures aren't caused by libpathselect change (which is just a rebuild against gcc5)... As you can see in the CI history those failures happened even with previous versions, and
[17:22] <Trevinho> are all due to AP itself
[17:44] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I'm happy to help out with Beta 1 just like last time.
[17:44] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I've replied on the ML and updating the wiki now.


[15:54] <DomasoFan562> hi all
[15:58] <DomasoFan> will the HUD be accessible in the final version of ubuntu 12.04?
[16:37] <tsimpson> DomasoFan: what is available now is what will be available on release, we're already long past feature freeze
[16:48] <DomasoFan> tsimpson: ah ok.
[18:08] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: it might be, andyrock was working on it today
[18:09] <AlanBell> unity3d launcher and dash started talking again for the first time since beta1
[18:10] <AlanBell> tsimpson: accessibility generally gets some attention after final freeze
[18:11] <AlanBell> would be nice if it was a bit more testable before final freeze, but hey here we are again with stuff being fixed in the last week
[18:21] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: cool. guess they might not put in new orca and at-spi though but yeah. looks quite good currently with the newest updates.
[18:22] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: installed it here on a 2 ghz 2 gb ram 100 gb hd laptop. very responsive.
[18:23] <AlanBell> DomasoFan: this ppa has unity3d that works somewhat https://code.launchpad.net/~andyrock/+archive/unity-a11y
[18:24] <AlanBell> dash icons are not spoken and the hud doesn't really work
[18:25] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: hmm. the hud also has issues in 2d currently. but let's see what we are getting in the final release which is dated on the 26th.
[18:26] <DomasoFan> but its cool how good accessibility got from 11.10 and up. when i just remember the accessibility in pre 11.10. ;-)
[18:28] <AlanBell> there might be some stuff in the final release and some stuff in 0day SRU updates on the 27th
[18:30] <DomasoFan> AlanBell: that sounds interesting. have you also seen that the language selection thing in the system settings is not accessible? it seems not talking when you go there.
[18:31] <AlanBell> yes, I think there is a bug about that
[18:32] <DomasoFan> is there a work around to install language packs? in the login screen i saw there in the indicator menu you can select the language too.
[18:36] <DomasoFan> ah found there is a section pn packages.ubuntu.com where language packs are listed.
[18:37] <DomasoFan> ah no. those are just for libre office and other tools.
[18:38] <DomasoFan> ah found it now. seems to be that: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/translations/
[18:49] <DomasoFan> seems not to work. same if you change the language in the user's settings.
[22:29] <kendell> hi all
[22:57] <AlanBell> hi kendell
[22:57] <kendell> AlanBell:  hi
[22:58] <kendell> have been testing the latest precise daily build. It works great but either unity, nautilous or some accessibility component is very sluggish, because nautilus is extremely sluggish. I'm not sure how to determine which
[23:00] <kendell> yay, successfully compiled orca on precise, I've never done  that before, I kept getting errors


[10:08] <zniavre_> good morning
[10:08] <zniavre_> http://www.chrometheme.net/chrome-theme-creator-online.html#
[10:09] <zniavre_> the Tints tab is weird for me i can't find a kind of "tints map" for color
[10:09] <zniavre_> how to use it ?please
[10:15] <zniavre_> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Aa86IE02TBXPZGtzZDU0NV85ZnFocnQzZGo&hl=en   fond it but it is not easy to use
[13:16] <thorwil> http://www.davidairey.com/spec-work-request/
[15:08] <vish> thorwil: wow!! that was an awesome reply from david!
[15:09] <thorwil> vish: hmm?
[15:10] <vish> thorwil: seen the movie Memento? ;)
[15:10] <vish> thorwil: the link you you pasted earlier.. ;p
[15:11] <thorwil> lol, oh that david