[12:31] <asac> then nss and nspr should be in gutsy
[12:31] <asac> maybe i we need to give back nss one more time :)
[12:47] <gnomefreak> nss is not yet
[12:47] <gnomefreak> nspr is -0d-dev and 0d\
[12:47] <gnomefreak> or something like that
[12:51] <asac> 4-dev & -0d
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:52] <asac> lets see if nss respins automatically
[12:52] <asac> at least launchpad shows that depedency wait is not true anymore
[12:52] <asac> if smart new build attempt will follow :/
[12:53] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nss/3.11.5-3
[12:53] <asac> great is building
[12:53] <asac> at least on amd64 and i64
[12:53] <asac> nice ;)
[12:53] <asac> tomorrow things can go up :)
[12:54] <asac> lets see how hell's coming :)
[12:54] <asac> hmmm again dependency wait :/
[12:57] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:18] <asac> have a nice trip gnomefreak
[01:22] <gnomefreak> night
[04:37] <[Cade] > hmm - what else is holding Firefox and TB updates up? I saw libnspr and libhunspell have updates now =D
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> define updates?
[05:38] <Admiral_Chicago> err updates*
[05:40] <[Cade] > they have updates in the gutsy repos
[05:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm not sure I know what your question is
[05:42] <[Cade] > ah - I'm referring to FF update and TB2 for gutsy
[05:42] <[Cade] > ;)
[05:43] <[Cade] > mainly because the updated version of libhunspell breaks the current ff packages
[05:43] <[Cade] > just as a note, here's the relevant packages that got upgrades: libnspr4-0d libnspr4-0d-dbg libstdc++6 hunspell-1.1.0 libhunspell-1.1.0
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> ah its probably because our packaging people aren't at their computers
[05:44] <[Cade] > :P
[05:45] <[Cade] > I've been chomping at the bit ever since TB2 was released. I'm just so fed up with Evo :/
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> i need to try evolution, i heard it can handle outlook or something like that
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> you could build the binary
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> err install
[05:55] <[Cade] > I'm a fan of font-rendering patches =P
[08:09] <sanityx> Anybody know of a way to sync Palm contacts with Thunderbird?
[08:36] <poningru> !
[08:36] <poningru> doh
[10:05] <gnomefreak> [Cade] : we need a few packages in first before we can spin against gutsy
[10:05] <gnomefreak> they started pouring in late yesterday
[10:07] <gnomefreak> [Cade] : should be fixed in next day or 2 (depending on any problems that arise)
[10:16] <asac> so did nss build?
[10:22] <gnomefreak> not here yet
[10:23] <gnomefreak> i just did updates for gutsy and not yet. im setting up for iceape build incase it comes in in time.
[10:35] <asac> hmm ... ok nspr ended up in universe (e.g. just the binaries)
[10:35] <asac> so nss didn't build because source was in main as well
[10:35] <asac> should be fixed now
[10:35] <gnomefreak> why universe?
[10:36] <asac> but takes some time until builders do i
[10:36] <asac> error by the one processing the NEW binaries
[10:36] <asac> the source is in main
[10:36] <gnomefreak> i dont expect to spin it before i leave but would have been nice
[10:36] <asac> but it should be fixed now
[10:37] <gnomefreak> asac: congrats on reviewer status ;)
[10:37] <asac> he?
[10:37] <asac> ah ;)
[10:39] <asac> Bug 50768 .. is it fixed now?
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50768 in firefox "Strange artifacts in text fields within web applications when moving cursor with keyboard" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50768
[10:41] <gnomefreak> not sure thats the first time ive seen that
[10:41] <asac> yeah just read the last comment which ended up in my inbox
[10:42] <asac> looks like its not firefox
[10:42] <gnomefreak> its upstream bug
[10:42] <gnomefreak> from what it shows
[10:42] <gnomefreak> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345438
[10:42] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 345438 in Layout "Moving cursor back/forward in all forms and in the location bar leaves caret turds (with nv video driver installed)" [Normal,New]
[10:42] <asac> is the workaround in bugzilla?`
[10:43] <asac> is bugzilla reporter same as ubuntu reporter?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> and no patch yet
[10:43] <gnomefreak> no
[10:44] <gnomefreak> unless they use a different nick in LP and mozilla bugtracker
[10:54] <asac> workaround
[10:54] <asac> is in bug
[10:54] <asac> why i said its fixed for us :)
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: do i need to learn dput for revu or am i gonna put sources somewhere else?
[11:40] <asac> hmmm
[11:40] <asac> good idea :)
[11:40] <asac> e.g. to upload to revu
[11:40] <asac> yes then use dput or dupload
[11:40] <asac> later you will push that way to preview archive as well
[11:40] <asac> e.g. as soon as we have incoming processing
[11:45] <gnomefreak> k
[11:46] <gnomefreak> i will see if i can find docs on it than
[11:54] <asac> hmm we get more and more @gtk_widget_event_internal now
[11:54] <gnomefreak> feisty?
[11:55] <asac> bug 94749 is master
[11:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94749 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94749
[11:55] <gnomefreak> we have way too many bugs with @gtk_* :(
[11:55] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:56] <asac> mozilla projects need some gtk experts :)
[11:56] <asac> which they lack
[11:56] <asac> yeah finall libnspr4-dev is in main
[11:56] <asac> at least on my mirror
[11:56] <asac> thanks god
[11:57] <gnomefreak> asac == gtk expert no? ;)
[11:58] <asac> hehe
[11:58] <asac> i can code gtk ;) ... but i am far away from being a gtk core developer :)
[11:58] <gnomefreak> gtk is a lang? i thought it was just widgets
[11:59] <asac> a lib
[11:59] <gnomefreak> like python+gtk
[11:59] <asac> a widget toolkit library
[11:59] <asac> gtk+ is C
[11:59] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:59] <asac> and there are several bindings for other languages
[11:59] <asac> e.g. like python-gtk +perl-gtk
[11:59] <gnomefreak> yuck @ C
[11:59] <asac> et al
[12:00] <asac> C is great ;)
[12:01] <gnomefreak> python is easier (from what i hear) i dropped C for python and than got too busy to learn python
[12:06] <asac> hey hjmf :)
[12:06] <asac> welcome
[12:07] <hjmf> hello
[12:08] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/
[12:08] <ajmitch> schedule?
[12:08] <asac> maybe you find something interesting :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> awesome
[12:09] <asac> might change a bit ... but main tracks should be rather fixed now
[12:09] <hjmf> hmm it's too far from my house
[12:09] <ajmitch> oh, definitely ubuntu server forum :)
[12:09] <hjmf> are you traveling ?
[12:09] <asac> i will be there :)
[12:09] <ajmitch> probably no chance of getting it, but oh well :)
[12:09] <asac>  there is Bug/Crash reporting forum on thursday morning :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> I see you're in the server track, asac
[12:10] <hjmf> I've merged together all those [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  [@??]
[12:10] <hjmf> probably the same crash
[12:11] <asac> hjmf: yeah ... you know when this first popped up? recently?
[12:11] <asac> ajmitch: yeah ;)
[12:11] <hjmf> couple of weeks maybe, not sure
[12:12] <hjmf> will be video live/recorded sessions at UDS-Sevilla?
[12:13] <asac> ok so probably gtk+ update for latest gnome
[12:13] <hjmf> asac: will look
[12:13] <asac> hjmf: hmm i have no idea ;)
[12:13] <ajmitch> they haven't been in the past
[12:13] <ajmitch> too much equipment to setup
[12:13] <hjmf> what a pitty! :(
[12:13] <ajmitch> sessions aren't really that interesting by video
[12:14] <ajmitch> since it's usually people sitting round a table discussing
[12:14] <ajmitch> or crammed into a room somehow
[12:14] <hjmf> I see
[12:14] <asac> maybe some video feed from the pool :)
[12:14] <ajmitch> haha
[12:14] <ajmitch> there's a pool there?
[12:14] <hjmf> I thought it would be more like a conference, then discussion
[12:14] <ajmitch> nah
[12:15] <hjmf> :)
[12:15] <ajmitch> it's nearly all discussion & spec sessions
[12:15] <hjmf> ah
[12:15] <ajmitch> "intense"
[12:15] <hjmf> good luck then ...
[12:15] <hjmf> :)
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: libnss is in gutsy ... lets go :)
[12:16] <ajmitch> excellent
[12:17] <hjmf> asac: about the gtk_widget_event_internal there were some reports before, but the last *bunch* is from last week of april
[12:17] <hjmf> till now
[12:17] <asac> hmm ... feisty?
[12:18] <hjmf> yes
[12:19] <hjmf> the last 7 are from feisty
[12:20] <asac> but we have edgy as well?
[12:21] <hjmf> sure, the master is from edgy
[12:22] <hjmf> but the last ones are all from feisty (probably because of dissabling apport in edgy)
[12:22] <hjmf> ... not all, the last one is from edgy (bug 111875)
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111875 in firefox "[EDGY]  firefox crashed [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  [@ ??]  [@vtable for nsDOMConstructor at #12]  (dup-of: 94749)" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111875
[12:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 94749 in firefox "MASTER firefox crash [@gtk_widget_event_internal]  " [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94749
[12:23] <hjmf> 6:1 feisty:edgy since last week of april
[12:23] <asac> hmm ... isn't apport disabled for feisty as well now?
[12:23] <hjmf> not sure, probably
[12:24] <hjmf> I don't have crashes Ubuntu rocks :-P
[12:27] <hjmf> /etc/default/apport
[12:27] <hjmf> # set this to 0 to disable apport
[12:27] <hjmf> enabled=1
[12:27] <hjmf> but I guess that ^^^ is not what I had to look
[12:29] <asac> i don't know
[12:29] <asac> i would think so
[12:29] <asac> but it doesn't work for me iirc :)
[12:29] <hjmf> I think that that sets apport to collect crashes
[12:30] <hjmf> but to auto-upload there must be another setting somewhere
[12:30] <gnomefreak> mine is set to 1 but still never gives me the dialog. i meant to ping pitti about it but i keep forgeting
[12:31] <hjmf> yes, it might be this one though:
[12:32] <hjmf> gconf-editor: /apps/update-notifier/show_apport_crashes false
[12:32] <asac> ah right
[12:32] <hjmf> f this is disabled, the user will not be notified about pending apport crash reports.
[12:32] <asac> probably thats the one
[12:32] <hjmf> it's disabled on feisty
[12:33] <asac> so thats why we are able to reduce bug count :)
[12:33] <asac> not bad ;)
[12:33] <hjmf> yeah!
[12:33] <gnomefreak> well thats not good
[12:33] <hjmf> I can see your point gnomefreak
[12:33] <asac> 609 open bugs :)
[12:33] <asac> pretty nice
[12:34] <gnomefreak> he gave me command to turn it on
[12:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:34] <asac> 1291 with dupes
[12:34] <hjmf> and most of them can be close too
[12:34] <asac> of the 609 ?
[12:34] <hjmf> closed*
[12:34] <hjmf> yes
[12:35] <gnomefreak> gconftool-2 -s --type boolean /apps/update-notifier/show_apport_crashes true
[12:35] <hjmf> I meant many not most
[12:35] <asac> yeah ;)
[12:35] <gnomefreak> to turn on dialog
[12:35] <gnomefreak> oh you already said tha :(
[12:35] <hjmf> :)
[12:36] <hjmf> we can always have for fun the mess on mozilla-thunderbird reports
[12:36] <asac> yes ... we probably shouldn't ignore them anymore
[12:37] <asac> do retraces work?
[12:37] <hjmf> yes
[12:37] <asac> or are dbgsym packages still broken?
[12:37] <asac> ah ok
[12:37] <hjmf> I still using mines, but apport retracing service can handle them too
[12:37] <hjmf> so dbgsyms are OK now
[12:37] <asac> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/71131
[12:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71131 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird crashes if you change Gnome theme while it is running" [High,Needs info]
[12:37] <asac> can you confirm this?
[12:38] <asac> e.g. thats without totem apparently ;)
[12:38] <asac> but sounds like our totem crash ;)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> that looks like same issue with firefox
[12:38] <asac> maybe its the initial theme crasher ... for which we have a patch in firefox
[12:38] <gnomefreak> tryin gnow
[12:39] <gnomefreak> trying now even
[12:39] <hjmf> a crash report on that one would have been nice
[12:39] <gnomefreak> failed to crash with 2.0
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... the patch i was refering to landed for 2.0
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:40] <asac> hjmf: do your retrace scripts work for tbird as well .... like on bug 72160
[12:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 72160 in mozilla-thunderbird "TB crashed while writing reply email" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72160
[12:40] <asac> ?
[12:40] <hjmf> will tell you in a couple of minutes
[12:44] <hjmf> asac: you can check
[12:44] <hjmf> it worked
[12:44] <hjmf> though I still have broken the autopost stuff
[12:44] <hjmf> so I have to do it manually
[12:45] <asac> hjmf:  i looked into backtrace stuff ... the code that the retrace service uses is in apport bzr
[12:46] <asac> i found the place where the top 5 stack elements are extracted
[12:46] <hjmf> yes, I borrowed from they some time ago.
[12:46] <hjmf> I have to check what had changed
[12:46] <asac> so probably almost all is there already ... do we see summaries of stacks retraced by service?
[12:47] <hjmf> but HTMLOperations.Bug is still the same that it was yesterday
[12:47] <hjmf> and then it worked
[12:48] <hjmf> the apport service only shows the first 3-4 stacks and we need from the 4th to the 7th as the fist three are always the same on most of the cases
[12:49] <asac> hmmm ... if that is true for non mozilla packages as well, we should probably try to fix it there
[12:50] <hjmf> that can be changed easily by you or pitty on report['StacktraceTop']
[12:50] <hjmf> from apport
[12:50] <asac> yes ... we should look how other traces look like ... maybe we can try to better detect where to start.
[12:51] <hjmf> what has to be changed i believe that is at apport/report.py
[12:52] <asac> yes i think so ... iirc
[12:52] <hjmf> yes, nowadays is StacktraceTop: simplified stacktrace (topmost 5 functions) for inline
[12:52] <hjmf> and it should include 3 or 4 more
[12:53] <hjmf> Changing toptrace = ['']  * 5 for toptrace = ['']  * 9
[12:53] <hjmf> might do it
[12:53] <hjmf> though It is just the first sight
[12:54] <asac> hmmm ... i can talk to pitti
[12:54] <hjmf> with that we can handle both the usual stacktrace and those w/o the 3# <signal caller...
[12:55] <asac> if you run apport locally ... do you see the StacktraceTop results as well?
[12:55] <asac> yeah
[12:55] <asac> mozilla is a bit special because they catch signals on their own
[12:55] <asac> maybe at some point packages can ship infos about "where does stacktrace start"
[12:55] <hjmf> ... I don't run apport as it should, I'm still at apport 0.61
[12:55] <asac> but maybe just using 9 is ok as well
[12:55] <asac> hjmf: ouch :)
[12:56] <hjmf> yes with 9 it will be OK
[12:56] <hjmf> on my retraces I use by default from 3 to 12
[12:56] <hjmf> but 0-9 will be ok too
[12:56] <asac> afaik latest apport should be usable as the good old 0.61 ... but what can i say :) ?
[12:56] <hjmf> not tested
[12:57] <hjmf> that's another thing I want to do
[12:57] <hjmf> use current apport
[12:57] <hjmf> but as long as old roks to me I've been a little bit lazy
[12:57] <asac> at best use it from bzr :)
[12:57] <asac> so you can contribute best to development
[12:57] <hjmf> will have to, sure
[01:02] <asac> hey you are bughelper-dev as well :)
[01:02] <asac> welcome
[01:08] <hjmf> haha yes! :P
[01:12] <hjmf> asac: can you do me a quick favor
[01:13] <asac> depends :) ... but I'll try
[01:13] <hjmf> I'm stuck with this error with all my autopost routines
[01:13] <hjmf> can you fire up python and
[01:13] <hjmf> type
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> from launchpadBugs.HTMLOperations import Bug
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> bugnumber = 104533
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> cookiefile="/home/hjmf/.mozilla/firefox/oicl0ue1.default/cookies.txt"
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> bug = Bug(bugnumber, cookie_file=cookiefile)
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> bug.get_metadata()
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> bug.__dict__['tags'] =['mt-confirm']
[01:13] <hjmf> >>> bug.set_metadata()
[01:13] <hjmf> of course changing your cookie file
[01:14] <hjmf> with that bug number
[01:15] <asac> i get
[01:15] <asac> <addinfourl at 15204432 whose fp = <socket._fileobject object at 0xd958c0>>
[01:15] <asac> now what?
[01:15] <asac> should this have updated the bug?
[01:15] <asac> bug 104533
[01:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104533 in firefox "firefox crashed" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104533
[01:15] <hjmf> yes it works for you
[01:16] <hjmf> are you using the last bzr merge?
[01:16] <asac> yeah
[01:16] <hjmf> thank you
[01:16] <asac> no ... i just used what is here on my system
[01:16] <gnomefreak> nss hit
[01:16] <hjmf> I'll will work on this later
[01:16] <hjmf> so it is my fault somewher
[01:16] <hjmf> e
[01:16] <gnomefreak> in universe though
[01:17] <asac> hmm
[01:17] <asac> ok
[01:18] <gnomefreak> for seamonkey source do i want the tar.gz or the bz2? i cant remember :(
[01:18] <gnomefreak> rules doesnt say
[01:18] <hjmf> cy all till this evening
[01:18] <gnomefreak> hjmf: have fun
[01:20] <asac> yeah bye hjmf
[01:20] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[01:20] <asac> whatever is released upstream as "source"
[01:20] <gnomefreak> i see both
[01:20] <gnomefreak> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/1.1.1
[01:20] <asac> in source?
[01:21] <gnomefreak> File: seamonkey-1.1.1.source.tar.bz2  	34176 KB  	02/22/2007  	02:15:00 PM
[01:21] <gnomefreak> File: seamonkey-1.1.1.source.tar.gz
[01:21] <asac> it doesn't matter
[01:21] <gnomefreak> k
[01:21] <asac> as you have to extract it on your own
[01:21] <asac> then build your own orig out of if
[01:21] <asac> it
[01:22] <gnomefreak> and than i can just run dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -kKEYID? than dput the .changes file?
[01:27] <asac> yes
[01:27] <asac> should work that way
[01:28] <asac> e.g. you don't need -kKEYID
[01:28] <asac> if you are the last in changelog
[01:28] <asac> which you probably should
[01:28] <asac> and remember to use ubuntu version
[01:28] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[01:28] <gnomefreak> yeah 1.1.1-3ubuntu0
[01:28] <asac> e.g. version that is lower than the debian one
[01:28] <gnomefreak> debians is 1.1.1-3 iirc
[01:28] <asac> if debian was 1.1.1-3 ... then we use 1.1.1-2ubuntu0
[01:29] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:29] <asac> if we used wrong version in preview
[01:29] <asac> then we have bad luck
[01:29] <asac> and preview customers won't get an upgrade to official
[01:29] <gnomefreak> let me check changelog
[01:29] <asac> but i don't think we have to bother about them :)
[01:29] <asac> we should fix that as soon as debian uses a new version
[01:30] <asac> until then preview users just have the preview build :)
[01:30] <gnomefreak> iceape (1.1.1-3) unstable; urgency=low  is the last from Mike
[01:30] <gnomefreak> we just added .mt0 to the end
[01:30] <asac> gnomefreak: i am really not sure atm
[01:30] <asac> maybe ask on motu :)
[01:30] <asac> e.g. what version to choose so that merge-o-matic and stuff like that works
[01:31] <gnomefreak> ok ill ping one of them when i get home or maybe monday the latest
[01:31] <asac> maybe its indeed 1.1.1-3ubuntu0
[01:31] <asac> i can see benifits from both :)
[01:31] <asac> ok
[01:32] <gnomefreak> since its the same as in preview that should be fine. we can bump preview when new version goes in
[01:32] <gnomefreak> preview == unofficial is how i came up with that but i will ask them when i return
[01:35] <asac> just ask what the right version for ubuntu merge is if 1.1.1-3 is debian version
[01:35] <asac> that will give you an answer :)
[01:37] <asac> ok nss should be in main on next push
[01:37] <asac> we can then probably drop it from gutsy preview archive
[01:59] <gnomefreak> should i drop the mt versions from changelog?
[02:05] <asac> for upload to revu?
[02:05] <gnomefreak> yeah
[02:06] <asac> you can keep them if there are important infos ... or merge all content into your "new" changelog entry
[02:07] <gnomefreak> ok merging them into one would be good :)
[02:07] <gnomefreak> im getting a couple of differnet answers on versioning
[02:21] <asac> which?
[02:22] <asac> you have changes: new upstream tarball ;)
[02:22] <asac> oh
[02:22] <asac> that said ;)
[02:22] <asac> you have to bump upstream version :)
[02:23] <asac> as you have changed branding
[02:24] <asac> gnomefreak ... guess 1.1.1+1-0ubuntu1 then
[02:24] <asac> sorry for the confusion
[02:24] <asac> but i think that would be right
[02:24] <gnomefreak> changed branding in mt release
[02:25] <asac> you have to change it for offical as well and call upstream tarball with other version
[02:25] <asac> like above
[02:26] <gnomefreak> the upstream tarball is the same that ive been using. they havent changed it since feb.
[02:27] <asac> anyway ... WE changed it
[02:27] <asac> so WE need a different version
[02:27] <gnomefreak> k
[02:27] <asac> we fixed debian->ubuntu ... remember?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> yep
[02:27] <asac> yeah ... so just rename the tarball with new version
[02:28] <asac> then change changelog version appropriately so build will use that tarball done
[02:28] <asac> no need to regen tarball
[02:28] <asac> just a move/rename
[02:29] <gnomefreak> ok cool. im thinking of what to add to changelog for ubuntu version since all changes were made for mt release
[02:30] <asac> just talk about new upstream version tarball because of branding
[02:30] <asac> and that this is motu release
[02:30] <asac> and remember to use Maintainer: MOTU developers
[02:30] <asac> or something
[02:31] <asac> i think thats the way it has to be ;)
[02:31] <asac> if you build add -vLAST_VERSION_BEFORE_MT_RELEASE for dpkg-buildpackage
[02:31] <asac> in this way mt changes will end up in changelog as well
[02:31] <ajmitch> Ubuntu MOTU Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:32] <asac> thanks
[02:32] <asac> and Original-Maintainer: ??
[02:32] <asac> what is done about Uploaders: ?
[02:32] <ajmitch> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: can be whatever
[02:32] <asac> ajmitch: ^^^
[02:32] <ajmitch> Uploaders is ignored
[02:32] <asac> ok
[02:32] <ajmitch> Uploaders only affects debian NMU rules
[02:34] <asac> gnomefreak: got it?
[02:34] <gnomefreak> i think so
[02:34] <asac> ;)+
[02:35] <asac> oh man ... i think i should drop everything and look into windows installer :(
[02:35] <ajmitch> asac: why?
[02:36] <asac> uds :)
[02:36] <asac> https://blueprints.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/installer-for-windows
[02:36] <asac> a task is to review some code of that ;)
[02:36] <ajmitch> yeah I know, but dropping everything?
[02:37] <ajmitch> you need to do some review before UDS, you mean?
[02:37] <asac> yes ;)
[02:37] <asac> to prepare
[02:37] <ajmitch> fun
[02:58] <gnomefreak> do i need a XSBC-Original-Maintainer feild?
[03:00] <ajmitch> not required
[03:00] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[03:00] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:06] <gnomefreak> ok
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok changes are ready i will build sundayish and try to dput it.
[03:29] <asac> ok short lunch ... bbiw
[04:03] <asac> back
[04:54] <bluekuja> asac: ping
[04:56] <bluekuja> asac: a friend is testing flash on firefox with a 64 bit computer using nspluginwrapper
[04:56] <bluekuja> asac: without having good results: ii@laptop:/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64/linux$ sudo ./npconfig -i /usr/lib/mozilla/libflashplayer.so
[04:56] <bluekuja> nspluginwrapper: /usr/lib/mozilla/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin
[04:56] <bluekuja> asac: or ii@laptop:/usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/x86_64$ nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:56] <bluekuja> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:56] <bluekuja> asac: do you know what it can be?
[04:58] <asac> no idea not yet looked into nspluginwrapper
[04:58] <asac> is on my todo list though
[04:59] <bluekuja> asac: ok great
[04:59] <asac> maybe /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so is not 32-bit?
[04:59] <asac> aeh
[04:59] <asac> /usr/lib/mozilla/libflashplayer.so does probably not exist :)
[05:49] <bluekuja> asac: :D
[06:04] <asac> bluekuja: did he figure out?
[06:04] <bluekuja> asac: posted it in the forum, waiting reply :)
[06:04] <bluekuja> asac: a question
[06:05] <bluekuja> asac: how can I upload the diff.gz you provided me in revu? I get some md5sum mismatch(fixed) and signature errores
[06:05] <bluekuja> *errors
[06:05] <bluekuja> that I dont get with the 149kb one
[06:06] <asac> i did provide nothing
[06:07] <asac> the diff was just to show your actual changes
[06:07] <asac> you must not use that
[06:07] <asac> the one you had is the one that was fine
[06:07] <asac> but please do what i commented
[06:07] <bluekuja> 2. why do you change this:
[06:07] <bluekuja> - CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" ./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) --prefix=/usr --mandir=$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=$${prefix}/share/info
[06:07] <bluekuja> + CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS) -Wl,-z,defs" ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=$${prefix}/share/man --infodir=$${prefix}/share/info
[06:07] <bluekuja> is not correct
[06:08] <bluekuja> I changed it to fix docs problem
[06:08] <asac> bluekuja: just think about this ... if you apply that patch to orig.tar.gz you will again endup without autostuff regenerated .... which was the initial problem
[06:08] <bluekuja> yes
[06:08] <asac> doc problems?
[06:09] <bluekuja> i get this /share/man/man1/gtorrentviewer.1
[06:09] <bluekuja> instead of /usr/share/man/man1/gtorrentviewer.1
[06:09] <bluekuja> we talked about it with laserjock
[06:09] <bluekuja> while ago
[06:09] <asac> yes ... but almost certainly not because of the  -Wl,-z,defs
[06:09] <bluekuja> nope
[06:09] <asac> why did you drop it then?
[06:10] <bluekuja> * debian/rules:
[06:10] <bluekuja> DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE and DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE lines are a bit odd, we arent cross compiling the source packages.
[06:10] <bluekuja> laserjock comment
[06:11] <bluekuja> asac: what do you think?
[06:12] <bluekuja> want me to replace the previous version?
[06:14] <asac> anyway don't drop them
[06:14] <asac> should not matter
[06:14] <asac> e.g. keep ;)
[06:15] <bluekuja> ok i add DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE and DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE again
[06:15] <asac> --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) --build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) ... is fine to have
[06:15] <bluekuja> ok
[06:15] <asac> yes
[06:15] <bluekuja> perfect
[06:15] <bluekuja> adding it
[06:17] <bluekuja> asac: deleted -wl,z etc adding it again
[06:17] <bluekuja> lets rebuild now
[06:27] <bluekuja> asac: done ;)
[06:37] <asac> ok bluekuja will take a look when i return ... taking a break
[06:37] <bluekuja> asac; perfect
[06:56] <bluekuja> asac: wait to review...cant upload to revu yet
[06:57] <asac> he?
[06:57] <bluekuja> asac: I uploaded a file with a bad signature before
[06:57] <bluekuja> asac: that file need to be removed by an admin
[06:57] <bluekuja> asac: waiting ajmitch
[06:57] <asac> bluekuja: ok ... did you ping them?
[06:57] <asac> ok fine
[06:58] <asac> just let me know ... my break will take a bit longer anyway :)
[06:58] <bluekuja> asac: yeah, but seems that nobody is here :(
[06:58] <bluekuja> asac: take your time ;)
[08:11] <asac> things worked out for you?
[08:19] <bluekuja> asac: still waiting failed upload to be deleted
[08:20] <bluekuja> asac: I hope someone will come soon
[08:24] <asac> ok
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: /t
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> er
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> crap
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: http://admiralchicago.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/mentoring/
[08:37] <Admiral_Chicago> thats what i wanted to link you too
[08:40] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: niche
[08:40] <asac> nice
[08:40] <asac> :)
[08:40] <asac> i think you don't have to obfuscate the email
[08:40] <asac> we need spam filtering anyway :)
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> take it out?
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> yea the MLs have been getting hit my spam
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> i know because I keep some MLs clean
[08:41] <asac> i don't see that :)
[08:41] <asac> no i mean you can write it as mailto: link that works
[08:41] <asac> if its already pushlished don't mind
[08:42] <asac> i am getting loads of spam everyday ;)
[08:42] <asac> so it doesn't matter :)
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago>  ah okay. let me mess with that, i thought about it but couldn't figure out the syntax, i'll fiddle
[08:43] <asac> its just link http but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:43] <asac> you can even say
[08:44] <asac> mailto:mail@test.tld?Subject=MasterSubjectFigureWithespaceout ;)
[08:44] <asac> whitespace :)
[08:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i think google will be my friend on this one
[08:47] <Admiral_Chicago> repaired
[08:48] <Admiral_Chicago> class time
[08:49] <asac> have fun
[08:49] <asac> :-D
[08:49] <Admiral_Chicago> will do.
[10:10] <ajmitch> bluekuja: you pinged me?
[10:20] <asac> ajmitch: i think a corrupted upload prevents new uploads to revu :)
[10:21] <asac> ajmitch: for bluekuja that is
[10:21] <asac> gtorrent-viewer ;)
[10:21] <asac> isn't incoming queue cleaned up when something with bad checksum is injected?
[10:23] <ajmitch> no, it's a fairly simple setup
[10:24] <asac> k thank you
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> some interest in bug #110049
[10:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110049 in firefox "Firefox needs a better clue file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110049
[10:29] <Admiral_Chicago> good.
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> wait a second.
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: if you want to help, you can offer to mentor as well on the bug report
[10:30] <asac> well done :)
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got two people
[10:31] <asac> i think people that are interested in helping will probably end up here anyway :)
[10:32] <asac> so maybe its less confusing if you take the dedicated lead to get them started ;)
[10:32] <asac> what do you think?
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i will
[10:32] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm in the process of fixing my bzr confilct
[10:32] <asac> probably a good excercise :)
[10:33] <asac> i am now out for a few minutes
[10:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i hope that these people have feisty or better machines
[10:34] <asac> probably they wil
[10:34] <asac> l
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> yep, got the latest clue files
[10:40] <Admiral_Chicago> brb
[10:49] <asac> fine
[11:11] <AlexLatchford> grrr, my bookmarks have disappeared.
[11:12] <AlexLatchford> hmm and some plugins have lost settings..
[11:12] <AlexLatchford> (bookmarks restored from backup files)..
[11:14] <bluekuja> ajmitch: thanks ;)
[11:14] <Admiral_Chicago>  AlexLatchford probably a corrupted profile
[11:14] <bluekuja> asac: thanks too for reporting it to andrew ;)
[11:14] <AlexLatchford> well it reset them to the default bookmarks..
[11:14] <AlexLatchford> I am thinking it was the -mt update..
[11:15] <asac> AlexLatchford: which mt update?
[11:15] <AlexLatchford> today's
[11:15] <AlexLatchford> or yesterday's
[11:15] <asac> what version is it?
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> <IP_ADDRESS>+2.ng-0mt.6
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> I think
[11:16] <asac> did you use any .ng release before?
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> I updated from John's repository a few days back
[11:17] <AlexLatchford> I was using the standard ubuntu before that
[11:17] <asac> did it break at that time?
[11:17] <asac> or just now?
[11:17] <AlexLatchford> during the first update though, just after I added the repository the dom-inspector broke synaptic
[11:17] <AlexLatchford> it just broke today
[11:22] <asac> are certs broken as well?
[11:23] <asac> https?
[11:23] <asac> e.g. asks for certs that are valid ?
[11:24] <AlexLatchford> yes, it alerted me
[11:25] <AlexLatchford> but they are not broken I dont think
[11:32] <asac> yes alert means we lost the default CA certs somewhere *broken*
[11:32] <asac> which is pretty serious bug
[11:33] <asac> damn ssl stuff is really broken
[11:33] <asac> what plugin settings did you loose?
[11:33] <bluekuja> gnight all
[11:34] <asac> maybe you lost some plugins? AlexLatchford ?
[11:34] <asac> bluekuja: night
[11:34] <bluekuja> asac: night ! cya tomorrow! ;)
[11:34] <asac> AlexLatchford: e.g. plugins installed globally?
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> erm, plugins and extensions I didnt seem to lose
[11:35] <AlexLatchford> just the settings for them
[11:38] <asac> hmm
[11:39] <asac> AlexLatchford: can you try to downgrade ... and see if upgrading back will show this problem again?
[11:39] <asac> e.g. for downgrade, just uninstall and install ubuntus version ... then go up to preview again :/
[11:39] <AlexLatchford> mind if I do it tomorrow..
[11:40] <AlexLatchford> did it not happen to you?
[11:41] <asac> nope
[11:41] <asac> just ssl problem
[11:41] <asac> if you say that its reproducible I would do a night shift i guess :)
[11:41] <asac> oh wait ... its already 2340 here ;)
[11:42] <AlexLatchford> ok, gimme half an hour
[11:42] <AlexLatchford> whats the current ubuntu version?
[11:42] <asac> cool
[11:42] <asac> current ubuntu is <IP_ADDRESS>+1-ubuntu2 i guess
[11:43] <asac> yes its <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu2
[11:43] <AlexLatchford>  sudo apt-get install firefox=<IP_ADDRESS>+1-ubuntu2
[11:43] <asac> yeah with proper version
[11:43] <asac> maybe be sure that you uninstall before
[11:44] <asac> not that there are any leftovers in /usr/lib/firefox /usr/share/firefox
[11:44] <asac> -> e.g. both dirs should not exist after uninstall
[11:44] <AlexLatchford> cool
[11:44] <AlexLatchford> I presume it will not affect .mozilla?
[11:44] <asac> no it should not
[11:44] <asac> anyway if you run preview releases :) ... its probably a good idea to backup that regularaly :)
[11:44] <AlexLatchford> ive backed it up anyway
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[11:45] <asac> so you don't loose your bookmarks again :)
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> :)
[11:45] <asac> wait do bookmarks work at all for you now?
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> yes, they were just reset
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> to default
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> so basically nothing, homepage with changed to the feisty release notes
[11:45] <AlexLatchford> s/with/was
[11:48] <AlexLatchford> okay beginning install process again, (for ubuntu version :))
[11:48] <AlexLatchford> shall I reinstall all the plugins after the install for the ubuntu versions?
[11:48] <AlexLatchford> (flash, java, dom-inspector, themes etc.)
[11:50] <AlexLatchford> hmm..
[11:51] <AlexLatchford> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/error.txt
[11:52] <AlexLatchford> I removed the directories, or should I have just emptied them
[11:56] <asac> which directories?
[11:56] <asac> plugins?
[11:56] <AlexLatchford> /usr/share/firefox & /usr/lib/firefox
[11:57] <asac> ah ... yeah ... i think that was right :)
[11:57] <asac> was there leftover?
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> ?
[11:57] <asac> did they still exist after you uninstalled firefox?
[11:57] <AlexLatchford> no I removed then using rm
[11:58] <AlexLatchford> (I mean yes, they existed, but I removed them manually)
[11:58] <asac> ah ok
[11:58] <asac> hmm
[11:58] <asac> any idea what was in there?
[11:58] <asac> if not don't bother ;)
[11:58] <AlexLatchford> nah, I didn't do an ls
[11:58] <asac> too bad ;)
[11:58] <asac> anyway ... lets see if you can reproduce
[11:58] <asac> :)
[11:59] <AlexLatchford> well I cannot get the ubuntu version to install..
[11:59] <asac> because of what reasons?
[11:59] <AlexLatchford> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/error.txt
[11:59] <asac> he?
[11:59] <asac> ah maybe use an explicit mirror
[11:59] <asac> e.g. us.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:59] <AlexLatchford> unable to create `./usr/lib/firefox/firefox': No such file or directory
[12:00] <asac> sounds bad ... you did remove firefox (with apt or so) right?
[12:00] <AlexLatchford> It appears to download the file fine, but not unpack..
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> I removed firefox using apt-get remove firefox
[12:01] <asac> when do you get http://<IP_ADDRESS>/error.txt ?
[12:01] <AlexLatchford> when running the command on the first line
[12:01] <asac> which command? 'firefox' ?
[12:02] <AlexLatchford> sudo apt-get install firefox=<IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu2
[12:02] <AlexLatchford> shall I try to make the directory it says it cannot manually..
[12:02] <asac> hmm you can try ... but sounds wierd
[12:03] <asac> so do you see firefox being downloaded?
[12:04] <asac> otherwise maybe clean your apt cache
[12:04] <asac> with apt-get clean
[12:04] <AlexLatchford> if I make the directory it installs
[12:04] <AlexLatchford> seems like a small problem with the installer..
[12:04] <AlexLatchford> as it says it cannot create /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[12:05] <asac> i guess you had still some package with installed files in /usr/lib/firefox
[12:05] <AlexLatchford> whereas if I just create /usr/lib/firefox
[12:05] <asac> ... which are now broken :)
[12:05] <AlexLatchford> I removed the entire directory..
[12:05] <asac> does dpkg -S firefox
[12:05] <asac> bring anything up other than the firefox packages?
[12:05] <AlexLatchford> -trunk packages also
[12:05] <asac> ok that is sane
[12:06] <asac> they should be /usr/lib/firefox-trunk only
[12:06] <asac> and share
[12:06] <asac> anything else?
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> mozilla-firefox-locale, -dbg packages also
[12:06] <asac> why where locale packages not removed?
[12:06] <asac> they should have been removed when removing firefox
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> hmm..
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> I thought they had been
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> probably have been reinstalled with it..
[12:08] <asac> ok ... does it work?
[12:08] <asac> now?
[12:08] <asac> e.g. starts et al?
[12:08] <AlexLatchford> yes, it works fine
[12:08] <AlexLatchford> I think it was an error in the dpkg script
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> it was saying that it couldnt find /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> ..but when I created /usr/lib/firefox it installed fine..
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> but now here is not folder inside that called firefox..
[12:09] <AlexLatchford> so it was not needed..
[12:09] <asac> i guess it tried to create the link
[12:09] <asac> e.g. try
[12:10] <asac> ls -l /usr/bin/firefox
[12:10] <asac> its a link
[12:10] <asac> which probably failed to be created
[12:10] <AlexLatchford> hmm okay
[12:10] <asac> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox should be the main programm
[12:10] <AlexLatchford> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2007-05-03 23:03 /usr/bin/firefox -> ../lib/firefox/firefox
[12:10] <asac> nevertheless completely wierd
[12:10] <asac> yes right
[12:10] <asac> thats the same
[12:11] <asac> i only can think that there was still some extension or so that installs in both firefox and iceape or thunderbird
[12:11] <AlexLatchford> so should I install the plugins now, then upgrade?
[12:11] <asac> yeah ... ;)
[12:11] <AlexLatchford> :) gimme a few minutes
[12:16] <asac> ok i tracked the ssl problem
[12:16] <asac> now gimme confidence about the rest :)
[12:16] <AlexLatchford> good good
[12:16] <AlexLatchford> :)
[12:16] <AlexLatchford> Well the update was done via sudo apt-get install -f
[12:17] <AlexLatchford> because the previous update has broken the dom-inspector plugin
[12:19] <AlexLatchford> hmm.. seems to work okay now..
[12:20] <AlexLatchford> how do I get the firefox version without typing it out from Synaptic
[12:21] <asac> ah ok ... dom-inspector have have been bad depends
[12:21] <asac> ?
[12:21] <asac> dpkg -l firefox
[12:21] <asac> ;)
[12:21] <asac> if you can't see all of the version (e.g. too long) :
[12:21] <asac> # COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firefox
[12:21] <asac> will do the trick
[12:22] <asac> no idea about synaptic
[12:22] <asac> just used it once some years back and when it crashed I went back to cmd line :)
[12:22] <AlexLatchford> lol
[12:22] <AlexLatchford> it is rather useful for finding packages
[12:23] <AlexLatchford> I am gradually switching for most things to cmd line though
[12:23] <AlexLatchford> okay, I think it must have been the dom-inspector issue..
[12:23] <AlexLatchford> which has been ironed out..
[12:23] <asac> ok ... fine
[12:24] <asac> hmm for me dom-inspector gets removed when i purge firefox
[12:24] <asac> though i use aptitude which is way smarter then apt-get  :)
[12:25] <AlexLatchford> :P
[12:25] <asac> so if you switch to cmdline probably get used to aptitude directly
[12:25] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[12:25] <asac> ;)
[12:26] <asac> your done with upgrade?
[12:26] <AlexLatchford> yeah
[12:26] <asac> maybe change some bookmarks first as well :)
[12:26] <asac> did it break anything?
[12:26] <AlexLatchford> nope
[12:26] <asac> ok
[12:27] <asac> i think bookmarks might get corrupted if you shut down X
[12:27] <AlexLatchford> not that I can see.. all plugins kept, extension settings the same
[12:27] <asac> without closing (though it should be really rare)
[12:27] <asac> k


[06:05] <pitti> Good morning
[07:17] <tedg> pitti: Good morning, looks like you're good from the silo, thanks!
[07:17] <pitti> hey ted, how are you? enjoying the sprint?
[07:18] <tedg> pitti: Yeah, a lot of things changing and up in the air, so it's good to try to grab some of them :-)
[07:18] <pitti> tedg: indeed! just unsure about the QA step
[07:18] <tedg> pitti: I imagine the QA review won't happen until next week.
[07:18] <tedg> pitti: All the folks doing reviews are in sessions :-)
[07:19] <pitti> tedg: I mean, I thought we had these automatic "system tests" -- for a "no change" silo they should suffice?
[07:19] <tedg> pitti: I think there are exceptions granted, but I don't think it's automatic.
[07:20] <tedg> pitti: They don't give me exceptions often ;-)
[07:20] <pitti> tedg: I don't want an exception, I just want an automatic system test run
[07:21] <pitti> (and I want that to be the norm, not the exception :) )
[07:21] <Laney> meow
[07:21]  * pitti pets the Laneycat
[07:21] <tedg> pitti: I don't think we have any automatic system test (that I know of)
[07:22] <pitti> tedg: I had several meetings about it
[07:22] <pitti> tedg: anyway, I'll let it sit there until mid next week and then start making noise again
[07:22] <tedg> pitti: Okay, you might be more up-to-date than me then. I've never had to not do a manual QA review.
[07:22] <pitti> I have some high-urgency stuff  to work on today anyway
[07:22] <tedg> pitti: Sounds good. I'll try to answer questions if I see some.
[08:09] <happyaron> pitti: hey, the fcitx SRU appears to need another patch, but LP 841372 makes me cannot request a sync anymore to yakkety-proposed..
[08:10] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 841372 in Launchpad itself "Incorrect auto-blacklisting in DSD?" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841372
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, hey! we don't do copies from SRU to $newserie at the start of the cycle anymore?
[08:12] <seb128> hey desktopers too ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> does anyone know if there is a way to get hexchat to not display "conversation" icons next to the channels and color on join/leave?
[08:13] <seb128> giving it a try for some days but I find it graphically overloaded and difficult to read compared to xchat-gnome
[08:16] <mdeslaur> seb128: that bug the hell out of me too, but I got used to it after a few days
[08:16] <mdeslaur> s/bug/bugged/
[08:17] <seb128> hum k, I didn't get used to it yet :-/
[08:17] <mdeslaur> I did change the default colours though
[08:17] <seb128> I wish it would stop putting channels blue on leave/join
[08:17] <mdeslaur> (I think)
[08:19] <mdeslaur> yeah, I set "New data" to dark red, "New message" to light red, and "Highlight" to blue
[08:19] <mdeslaur> because highlighting blue for normal activity was annoying
[08:19] <seb128> I changed the new data colors and tabs didn't change
[08:19] <mdeslaur> I think you need to restart it
[08:19] <seb128> but maybe it's not dynamic, let's wait for some activity
[08:19] <seb128> oh ok
[08:19] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[08:21] <mdeslaur> the only thing I hate now is that a privmsg only gets a "new message" colour, and not a "highlight" colour
[08:21] <mdeslaur> so it's easy to miss them
[08:23] <seb128> the icon thing is still annoying
[08:23] <mdeslaur> yeah
[08:23] <seb128> I might just snap xchat-gnome and use that
[08:23] <mdeslaur> we should fork it! :)
[08:24] <seb128> or that
[08:24] <mdeslaur> lol
[08:24] <mdeslaur> clearly there are no longer enough xchat forks in the archive anymore
[08:25] <seb128> yeah, stop cleaning things out of the archive!
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, upstream g-c-c bugs suggest users still have issues with mouse slider missing in 3.20, I think we best just always display it
[08:26] <seb128> going to do a merge request for that
[08:27] <Laney> k, makes sense
[09:04] <happyaron> Laney: it could be https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512286
[09:04] <ubot5`> Debian bug 512286 in network-manager "network-manager: tray icons gives incorrect info about connection state when in manual mode" [Normal,Fixed]
[09:04] <Laney> could be!
[09:05] <happyaron> you are forced to be CONNECTED when wifi disconnected cuz you have bridges, and by default it shows the eth icon
[09:06] <Laney> I'm not connected though
[09:06] <Laney> you think it can be fixed?
[09:07] <happyaron> mitigate it by excluding bridges from the patch, but don't think that would be acurrate for all potential cases though
[09:10] <happyaron> https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/tree/debian/patches/Force-online-state-with-unmanaged-devices.patch
[09:10] <happyaron> Laney: line 99 ^^
[09:12] <Laney> happyaron: that file only has lo=lo for me
[09:12] <Laney> I think it's /var/run/network/ifstate
[09:17] <happyaron> Laney: then line 72-74
[09:17] <happyaron> anyway I can give a try to exclude bridges
[09:18] <Laney> ♥
[09:18] <Laney> maybe talk to mbiebl if they want it too
[09:19] <happyaron> yep
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: we did for the first few days, but now zesty is open and has a new toolchain, so not any more
[09:21] <pitti> happyaron: right, don't sync, just upload with a lower version number; this is also a magnitude easier to review
[09:22] <pitti> tedg, Laney, sil2100: huh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710 went to "QA signoff failed" without any log, comment, or other explanation.. what happened there?
[09:23] <tedg> pitti: You have to look at the trello board
[09:23] <tedg> pitti: (yes that sucks)
[09:23] <tedg> pitti: Some of the MRs aren't signed off, we're working on it.
[09:23] <pitti> tedg: is there a link to it?
[09:23]  * pitti isn't on trello
[09:24] <tedg> pitti: https://trello.com/c/IN1fm0rB/3698-1710-ubuntu-landing-022-hud-indicator-keyboard-indicator-messages-indicator-sound-indicator-bluetooth-indicator-datetime-indicat
[09:24] <pitti> tedg: oh, ok; woudl it help if I review branches? (not an official reviewer, just "community")
[09:25] <Laney> which ones aren't approved?
[09:25] <sil2100> pitti: wow, the audit logs say *you* switched it to Failed ;)
[09:25] <pitti> Laney: most of them
[09:26] <Laney> tedg: https://launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers <- maybe add pitti?
[09:26] <Laney> having two people do this isn't that productive
[09:27] <pitti> http://www.robbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/tasks.gif ☺
[09:27] <tedg> We invited ubuntu-core, we just need someone to confirm.
[09:27] <tedg> I can add pitti directly as well.
[09:28] <Laney> Ta
[09:31] <Laney> pitti: haha, too true
[09:38] <Laney> ubuntu@asgen:~$ sudo apt install python3-flask
[09:38] <Laney> [sudo] password for ubuntu:
[09:38] <Laney> 正在读取软件包列表... 完成
[09:38] <Laney> AAAAAAAAAAAA
[09:38] <Laney> happyaron has corrupted my laptop!
[09:38] <happyaron> lol
[09:38] <happyaron> good chance to learn the language
[09:38] <sarnold> he seems so happy though :)
[09:39] <Laney> laney@nightingale> cat /etc/default/locale                                                                                /etc/default
[09:39] <Laney> LANG="zh_CN.UTF-8"
[09:39] <Laney> LANGUAGE="zh_CN:en_GB:en"
[09:39] <happyaron> I have this in my zshrc:
[09:39] <happyaron> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[09:39] <happyaron> LANGUAGE=en_US
[09:39] <happyaron> export LANG LANGUAGE
[09:39]  * Laney needs to press "apply system wide"
[09:40] <Laney> better
[09:43] <pitti> tedg: argh, indicator-bluetooth also has @pkglibexec@, marking accordingly
[09:46] <pitti> seb128: question in https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/hud/systemd-for-session/+merge/300430 and I believe we need to remove that from the silo as it can't be triple-landed
[09:46] <pitti> so we'll land that separately
[09:46] <pitti> (as it removes upstart)
[10:05] <pitti> tedg: I'm not qualified to review https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-display/adbd-client-test-failure/+merge/306399 ; I went through all the rest, and fix i-bluetooth now (and dropped seb's hud)
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, I can change hud to restore the upstart job if you want
[10:08] <seb128> pitti, the SRU thing is a bit annoying but I guess I can try to have a look to do a zesty upload this afternoon
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: let me look if hud is otherwise in sync in the overlay; if not, don't bother, we'll just land that separately in z
[10:08] <pitti> Laney: quick review of https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/indicator-bluetooth/fix-systemd-unit/+merge/309002 SVP? I built/install tested it
[10:09] <pitti> ExecStart= is now correct
[10:10]  * pitti turns the rebuild crank
[10:13] <pitti> seb128: hud is not in the overlay, so let's land it separately; this is complicated enough as it is
[10:15] <pitti> seb128: but if you could drop teh changelog entry and push --overwrite, that'd be great
[10:16] <seb128> pitti, ci is smart, if there is a manual changelog it uses that
[10:16] <seb128> but I can delete it if you prefer
[10:16] <pitti> seb128: but we don't want to, do we?
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: it says yakkety and has a non-bileto version number
[10:17] <seb128> right
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: or will it replace that and just parse out the text?
[10:17] <seb128> no, it's going to use the stock one
[10:17] <seb128> I can change it
[10:17] <pitti> seb128: ok; I don't know if it's going to work like that; if it does, fine (if you know, please DTRT)
[10:22] <seb128> pitti, I try to fix it after lunch, I can add back the upstart job as well, I didn't think about triple landing when I did it, we discussed with ted in july and said it was probably fine to just migrate to systemd in yakkety since hud is only used in unity and that was being migrating
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: I woudln't triple-land hud anyway, it's not currently in the overlay and I don't want to add even more changes to that
[10:23] <seb128> k
[10:24] <seb128> so maybe we are fine like that, I'm going to fix the changelog and we can upload to zesty
[10:25] <Laney> pitti: done
[10:25] <Laney> thanks for pushing all this
[10:25] <pitti> seb128: ack
[10:25] <pitti> Laney: merci
[10:26] <pitti> bah, why does the current build still include hud
[11:21] <pitti> Laney, tedg: oh FFS, now the new gcc in zesty of course breaks everything again
[11:25] <pitti> or new cmake
[11:31] <charles> I'm making some changes for dobey's review of  https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-display/adbd-client-test-failure/+merge/306399 now, will have it ready for  his approval asap
[11:31] <pitti> charles: thanks; I'm not sure if that's even related to/required by the indicator porting?
[11:33] <charles> right, I don't think it would be needed specifically by indicator porting
[11:41] <charles> dobey: ^ pushed
[11:41] <Laney> pitti: meh
[11:42] <Laney> ./obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/CMakeFiles/CMakeTmp/CheckSymbolExists.c:8: undefined reference to `pthread_create'
[11:42] <Laney> what is this
[11:42] <pitti> Laney: oh, you found the error - I was unable to spot it
[11:43] <pitti> Laney: I don't see that in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/290302168/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-i386.indicator-network_0.8.0+17.04.20161021-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:43] <Laney> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:79 (include): include could not find load file: EnableCoverageReport
[11:43] <Laney> is it that really?
[11:43] <Laney> is it really that?*
[11:44] <pitti> supposedly yes, so it's the new cmake; see #u-devel
[11:44] <Laney> nod


[00:33] <guilag> hi, i only got a quick question. What is the big difference between ubuntu-mid and ubuntu-upmc ? from what I understand, ubuntu-mid is more oriented for device that has touchscreen right ?
[01:08] <tripzero> i know there must be a good reason behind the "lpia" architecture
[01:09] <tripzero> all the um packages seem to be in a different repo anyway, why not just keep in i386?
[01:09] <tripzero> s/in/them*
[04:52] <persia> tripzero, Actually, the "lpia" architecture is subtly different: there is a slight divergence, which is expected to increase, between the low-power in-order designs, and the high-power out-of-order designs.  While both run i686 code, the instruction sets are expected to have less in common in the future.
[04:58] <tripzero> interesting
[04:58] <tripzero> i didn't know that
[04:58] <tripzero> thanks
[05:00] <persia> tripzero, No problem.  I didn't know myself until about three months ago.  Someone from Intel came to UDS, and explained it in a session we had about possibly dropping the lpia architecture.
[05:00] <persia> Note that some work has been done, so the ubuntu-mobile flavour should work for any architecture (e.g. i386) starting with jaunty.
[05:00] <persia> Err.  s/months/weeks/
[05:03] <tripzero> oh, so lpia might be dropped?
[05:03] <persia> No.
[05:04] <persia> We had thought about dropping it because it is a lot of work to maintain it, and many of us didn't see the benefit, and wondered why we couldn't just use i386.
[05:04] <persia> The divergence was explained: it may not be so useful today, but it will likely become more useful soon.
[05:05] <persia> As a result, we'll not be dropping lpia, and as the details of the divergence become more clear, "lpia" will probably be pushed upstream, and it (or some other similar string) become part of autotools, etc.
[05:09] <tripzero> ah, okay
[05:09] <tripzero> i'm messing with moblin image creator, it just seems like a pain for me to port my deb repo and packages for lpia
[05:09] <persia> Note that until the divergence gets more formalised, lpia is basically just an i686-optimised build, with some experimentation in optimtimisations.
[05:09] <tripzero> but it's not as hard as i'm making it...
[05:10] <persia> Depending on your hardware, you may find it runs up to 3% faster than regular i386.
[05:10] <persia> I'd recommend not using moblin-image-creator.  What are you trying to accomplish?
[05:10] <tripzero> does it require a custom gcc for those optimizations?
[05:10] <persia> I think gcc has some lpia-specific patches: you'd have to take a look at the gcc source to verify.
[05:11] <tripzero> i'm the maintainer/creator for linuxice a smaller linux distro for in car entertainment
[05:11] <persia> deb-based?  What's your upstream?
[05:11] <tripzero> it's based on ubuntu feisty, which is end-of-life
[05:11] <tripzero> I'm looking for a new base
[05:11] <tripzero> and new tools that work with the new base
[05:12] <persia> What sort of patch volume are you carrying?  Mostly application selection, or lots of changes?
[05:12] <tripzero> we replace the desktop and dock with our own
[05:12] <persia> So just application selection then?  Are your desktop and dock open?
[05:13] <tripzero> yes
[05:13] <persia> Well, I'll recommend you stop deriving then, and build a flavour within Ubuntu.
[05:13] <tripzero> howso?
[05:13] <tripzero> you mean like mythbuntu?
[05:13] <persia> Precisely.
[05:13] <tripzero> ahh
[05:14] <persia> Mind you, you'd need *lots* of users to get official image builds, but it's easy enough to get the metapackages working, etc.
[05:14] <persia> Also means you'd have no worries about patch load, because you'd be pushing patches into Ubuntu directly.
[05:14] <tripzero> right
[05:15] <persia> There's several carpc-type people who stop by here, and I'm sure there's a good base of interest.
[05:15] <tripzero> yeah, no doubt there is interest
[05:15] <persia> On the other hand, you lose a lot of branding: don't know exactly what that would cost you in terms of your current base.
[05:15] <tripzero> the community is definitely building
[05:15] <tripzero>  /growing
[05:16] <tripzero> so we basically want to get our packages into ubuntu's repo
[05:17] <persia> That'd be my recommendation.
[05:17] <persia> Are they lintian-clean?
[05:17] <tripzero> then as the community grows, we may be able to get official builds
[05:17] <persia> That might take a while, but in the meantime, you could use the standard image build tools for local builds (like ichthux or ubuntume do today).
[05:18] <tripzero> linitian-clean meaning properly build deb packages?
[05:18] <tripzero> built*
[05:19] <persia> meaning that when you run lintian against them, it returns no warnings or errors.
[05:19] <tripzero> ahh, in that case no, i'm sure lintian will return warnings
[05:19] <tripzero> but that can easily be fixed
[05:19] <persia> OK.  You'd want to fix them first, and then submit the packages to revu
[05:19] <persia> !revu
[05:20] <persia> It's also probably worth hanging about in #ubuntu-motu: that team will usually be happy to answer any packaging questions, or questions about the procedure to get stuff into the repos.
[05:20] <tripzero> cool :)
[05:23] <tripzero> i appreciate the advice
[05:24] <persia> Happy to help, although I'll admit it's selfish, because I suspect your work to make carpcs better will make my pocket devices work better :)
[05:27] <tripzero> :) hope so.  I"m planning on grabbing me an aigo p8888 mid and loading our stuff on it.
[05:29] <persia> That's not bad hardware, although I'll warn you that both the video driver and touchscreen driver are closed, which has caused no little annoyance to users.
[05:44] <tripzero> persia: it probably uses the egalax driver is my guess?
[05:45] <persia> For the touchscreen, yes, that's my understanding.
[05:45] <persia> Mind you, the p8888 might be different than the others, but that'd be a big change, for little gain I'd expect to see for Aigo.
[05:46] <tripzero> right
[06:01] <tripzero> persia: what are the standard image build tools?
[06:02] <persia> I'd recommend looking at debian-cd and livecd-rootfs.
[06:05] <StevenK> debian-cd is a little heavy-handed.
[06:06] <StevenK> We have a script that will make a .img given what livecd-rootfs creates
[06:06] <persia> StevenK, Well, yes, but what do you think is best if one doesn't want a livecd?
[06:06] <persia> (but yes, the script is *lots* easier for live images)
[06:07] <StevenK> Um, I'm not sure, since I like live images. :-)
[06:09] <StevenK> I'm also battling a 41 degC heatwave
[06:10] <persia> Summer is a wonderful and debilitating thing.
[06:10] <StevenK> I love summer, and hate excess heat and the headaches it brings
[06:32] <ganes> i want the kernel used in MID
[06:32] <persia> ganes, OK.  Which release?
[06:33] <ganes> intrepid
[06:33] <persia> apt-get source linux-lpia
[06:33] <ganes> persia, which repo i have to use if i want to install more package
[06:33] <persia> ports.ubuntu.com
[06:34] <ganes> persia, i have to connect with this repo & to run your command .. am i correct
[06:34] <persia> You'd need to add a deb-src line for that repo.
[06:34] <persia> You could also just connect to ports.ubuntu.com via http, and grab the files that way, if you like.
[06:35] <ganes> deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com/ intrepid main --- correct
[06:35] <ganes> ok
[06:45] <jinja-sheep> Curious sheep:  How come there isn't a ubuntu-umpc-8.04.img ?  Since it's the LTS version.
[06:46] <ganes> persia, how i come to know its a lpia
[06:47] <ganes> persia, i am using intel processor MID device
[06:47] <ganes> persia, so which kernel source i have to download
[06:47] <persia> jinja-sheep, Because the umpc effort wasn't started until May, and 8.04 was released in April.
[06:47] <persia> ganes, the source of the linux-lpia package.
[06:48] <ganes> persia, is it for both intel processor
[06:49] <ganes> i saw there lot of package there like power, sparc
[06:49] <jinja-sheep> persia:  I'm customizing the ubuntu-umpc-8.10.img right now.  Trying to get rid of excess packages such as cellwriter.  I suppose I could be a friendly contributer to this project.
[06:50] <persia> ganes, in http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-lpia/ ?
[06:50] <persia> jinja-sheep, With what are you replacing cellwriter?  And yes, more people would be a good thing.
[06:50] <ganes> persia, when i connect to repo i am getting the following error W: GPG error: http://ports.ubuntu.com intrepid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5
[06:51] <ganes> W: Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[06:51] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Got Aspire One -- A child's laptop, that is. I tried mobile and it wasn't for me.  It appears to be targeted for touch-screen.  However, umpc was.
[06:53] <persia> ganes, That's because there's no i386 repo on ports.ubuntu.com: it's other architectures (lpia, powerpc, sparc, etc.)
[06:54] <ganes> persia, so what i have to do
[06:54] <ganes> persia, it means my pc is a i386
[06:54] <persia> jinja-sheep, Yeah, the MID edition is for *much* smaller hardware: basically handhelds.  "umpc" is more for the small notebooks.
[06:55] <ganes> then how can i customize for the MID
[06:56] <jinja-sheep> persia: I personally like maximus.  It is *very* appropriate for the small notebooks. ;)
[06:58] <persia> jinja-sheep, At the time of the intrepid release, there were some conflicts with compiz, if I remember correctly.  More feedback and testing is *very* welcome.
[06:59] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Personally, I'd just turn off compiz -- Given the situation that the laptop is running with Intel Atom 1.6mhz.  Better performance.  Just count me in. :)
[07:01] <persia> jinja-sheep, Actually, depending on your graphics chip, might even be lower performance, due to offloaded widget rendering with compiz: really depends on the hardware and the quality of drivers.
[07:03] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Interesting.  Is there anything I can do about power-management? Perhaps a certain package?  I'll have to search for it.  It seems that under "On Battery Power", it contains actions + display.  However... Put computer to sleep when inactive for N minutes.  I'd prefer shutdown.  Any thought / idea on that one?
[07:04] <jinja-sheep> I'm aware that it's under... Gnome. Hmm.
[07:06] <persia> I'm not a fan of shutdown for mobile devices at all: there's no good reason for the overhead of startup.  Just suspend with an RTC event to hibernate if you don't wake up for a bit.
[07:08] <persia> I'll agree the screen-saver is pointless: I prefer screen-dim at 1min, and suspend at 2min.  Probably hibernate at 10-15, depending on the time-to-session from hibernate for the device.
[07:08] <jinja-sheep> More choices will be nice.  "<select choice> computer when inactive for: N minutes."  I had issues with hibernation.  Seems like lot of people are too... from what I read on Brainstorm + forums.
[07:08] <persia> hibernate doesn't tend to get the testing and bug reports it needs to work well.
[07:09] <persia> Seems to me that many people prefer to just shut down rather than troubleshoot.
[07:09] <jinja-sheep> Screensaver is luxury.  And yes, you're right...pointless.  I find blank screen to be more relaxing than screensavers and people would have more time to produce something better than screensavers in first place.
[07:10] <persia> screensavers are *incredibly* useful for always-on phosphor-based display units.
[07:10] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Consuming power is one of the issues.  If we could conserve more, there are more good things coming this way.  Less power bills and whatnot.    Hibernation didn't work for me though (on the computer).  No big deal tho. :>
[07:10] <persia> They're just pointless for energystar compliant TFT displays.
[07:11] <persia> jinja-sheep, Yes big deal: find out *why* it doesn't work.    File bugs with *lots* of details.  It can be fixed.
[07:12] <jinja-sheep> persia:  I'll try to hibernate on the laptop right now.
[07:13] <jinja-sheep> Suspend works just fine.
[07:13] <persia> jinja-sheep, Thanks :)  It's getting hibernate to work that means we *can* shut down with all the windows open, because they will still be open later.
[07:14] <persia> Of course, it would be nice to have a clean way for network-active stuff to pause at hibernate, but that's a separate project.
[07:15] <jinja-sheep> persia:  What do you mean by that?  Leaving Pidgin, Browser, Torrent, IRC, etc running under suspend?
[07:16] <jinja-sheep> Booting up from hibernation right now.
[07:17] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Hibernation work too.  Now I'm changing the setting to hibernate for low power critical. :)
[07:17] <persia> Excellent news!
[07:17] <persia> And yes, so that e.g. pidgin would know when there was a suspend event, and disconnect cleanly from servers, reconnecting at resume.
[07:21] <jinja-sheep> Lot of people (including me) wanted to have some kind of Gnome+Ubuntu barebone without the apps.  I tried the minimal disc.  The problem is that... when you install ubuntu-desktop, there's still lot, even for ubuntu-mobile too.  Ubuntu surely is expanding.
[07:21] <jinja-sheep> persia:  Nice knowing you.  I'm going to chill at #ubuntu and... I'll be around.
[07:22] <jinja-sheep> Take care.
[07:28] <persia> jinja-sheep, Chat with you later.  Good luck with your testing.
[09:35] <Celtiorus> hi from france :)
[09:35] <Celtiorus> nothing new about compal or aigo and ubuntu mobile ? :p
[09:41] <persia> Celtiorus, Not that I've heard.  Still no touchscreen or video driver :(
[09:55] <Celtiorus> thanks you persia
[10:12] <rzr> hi
[10:34] <persia> Hey rzr
[10:34] <rzr> hi there
[10:35]  * rzr is hacking on nokia devices : http://rzr.online.fr/q/nit
[10:35] <rzr> i'll have to test mer too
[11:11] <BUGabundo_work> hi
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> I'm going to install a daily live on an eeepc100h
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> is UMPC usable currently right now?
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> s/100h/1000h/
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> ogra: ping ^^^^^
[11:13] <ogra> umpc is going away
[11:14] <ogra> so no, currently its not usable
[11:14] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:14] <BUGabundo_work> thanks for the heads up
[11:15] <BUGabundo_work> so should I go with UNR ?
[11:16] <ogra> umpc will become something similar within the next weeks
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> humm
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> so "right now" ogra, what is my best bet?
[11:16] <ogra> but i'm extremely busy with other stuff atm so didnt care for it yet
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> generic?
[11:16] <ogra> make a USB key from a desktop iso
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> okay
[11:17]  * ogra needs to go back to other stuff
[11:17] <StevenK> BUGabundo_work: Your best bet is Intrepid, at this point.
[11:18] <persia> BUGabundo_work, If you *really* want jaunty, uninstall the metapackages, or expect massive changes.
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> already have jaunty on my own laptop for testing
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> this is a co-worker dualboot laptop
[11:20] <BUGabundo_work> StevenK: do you know if usbcreator works with a 1GBs pen?
[11:20] <persia> Then intrepid is the right choice.
[11:20] <BUGabundo_work> making one with 8.10
[23:09] <jinja-sheep> Got a minor issue.  There once was a 'X' (Close) button on top-right of the panel.  Apparently it disappeared.  How would I obtain it back?  I need to... close stuffs. :\
[23:09] <jinja-sheep> Any helps would be nice.


[04:16] <xfrozty> Hey, can someone help me get my touchpad setup?
[04:16] <xfrozty> apparently I have the drivers but when I run synclient I get: Couldn't find synaptics properties.  That's the problem. It's a very very old theme, unmaintained.
[11:53] <suncokret> so which theme is gtk3
[11:53] <suncokret> ?
[11:53] <rafaellaguna> many, ambiance, radiance, Lubuntu Box ;) , Zuki, Elementary, etc...
[11:54] <suncokret> is any of them instaled with system or i need to download them?
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> you have to install light-themes (these are ubuntu themes), or use the Lubuntu ones (already installed if you have Lubuntu, abviously)
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> but you can download more, at www.gnome-look.org  be sure to look for GTK3 themes only
[11:55] <rafaellaguna> Crux is still there for compatibility, but there's no reason to exist anymore if new apps cannot use it
[11:56] <suncokret> and why all other applications under root didn't accept colors?
[11:56] <suncokret> all are GTK?
[11:56] <suncokret> all are GTK3?
[11:56] <suncokret> for example
[11:56] <suncokret> grub customizer
[11:56] <suncokret> gufw
[11:56] <rafaellaguna> maybe because the user colors are meant to be used only for that user
[11:56] <suncokret> i will try with other theme
[11:56] <rafaellaguna> yes, every app started as root (even using "gksudo pcmanfm" will become root)
[11:57] <suncokret> and see will this work
[11:57] <rafaellaguna> yes, try, there're plenty nice GTK3 theems out there. of course I recommend use Lubuntu, maybe because I did it :D
[11:58] <suncokret> you mean
[11:58] <suncokret> lubuntu default theme?
[11:58] <rafaellaguna> yup
[11:58] <suncokret> some themes don't alow to change custom colors
[11:58] <suncokret> i hope that most of GTK3 themes aloww that
[11:58] <suncokret> allow
[11:58] <suncokret> :)
[11:59] <suncokret> i am not in lubuntu now
[11:59] <suncokret> and i have installed 13.04
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> if you want to keep it updated (GTK3 and icons too) use the instructions provided here: http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/p/artwork.html
[12:00] <suncokret> i have to return position of lubuntu 14.04
[12:00] <suncokret> so
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> it doesn't matter
[12:00] <suncokret> can you try to use some gtk3 theme
[12:00] <ikonia> is the lubuntu PPC port maintained by the core/same team as the x86 version or sperate people
[12:00] <rafaellaguna> and remember, colorization isn't a theme feature, it's a desktop feature, Ubuntu does not colorize, Lubuntu does
[12:00] <suncokret> and change background color in theme
[12:01] <suncokret> and then try to run synaptic
[12:01] <suncokret> can you try that now
[12:01] <suncokret> use some gtk3 theme
[12:01] <rafaellaguna> yes :)
[12:01] <rafaellaguna> I'm using Lubuntu default theme now in MATE, and Synaptic uses it
[12:02] <suncokret> you have MATE on Lubuntu?
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> confirmed
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm testing it, I have lots of desktops :D
[12:02] <suncokret> i was tried too
[12:02] <suncokret> xfce
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> openbox, windowmaker, xfce, lxqt, etc.
[12:02] <suncokret> cinnamon, it is very slow
[12:02] <suncokret> and
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> I need them to test my themes
[12:02] <suncokret> can you change to LXDE
[12:02] <rafaellaguna> cinnamon and gnome3 are really slow on old computers
[12:02] <suncokret> and then try
[12:03] <suncokret> to run synaptic
[12:03] <suncokret> because
[12:03] <suncokret> i was instal xfce on lubuntu 13.04
[12:03] <suncokret> and synaptic didn't acept selected themes
[12:03] <suncokret> and in LXDE it accept
[12:03] <rafaellaguna> trust me, install lubuntu-artwork package and it will work on root apps too
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> because it's installed in /usr/share/themes
[12:04] <suncokret> can i find that in synaptic?
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> yes
[12:04] <suncokret> i will try
[12:04] <rafaellaguna> lubuntu-artwork
[12:05] <suncokret> and
[12:05] <suncokret> is there something similar
[12:05] <suncokret> for xfce?
[12:05] <suncokret> in synaptic?
[12:05] <rafaellaguna> xubuntu has shimmer-themes, gtk3 too
[12:06] <suncokret> i will try
[12:06] <rafaellaguna> ok, enjoy!
[12:07] <suncokret> thank you
[12:07] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome ;)
[12:07] <suncokret> i'll be back to tell you results
[12:07] <rafaellaguna> fine, tell me
[12:07] <suncokret> i have just one partition for linux
[12:07] <suncokret> and i have dual boot with xp
[12:08] <rafaellaguna> don't you have a partition for your home?
[12:08] <suncokret> and i use clonezilla, or norton ghost
[12:08] <rafaellaguna> gparted works better and doesn't erase data
[12:08] <suncokret> for backup position of instaled and configured system
[12:08] <suncokret> i use it for backup
[12:08] <suncokret> partition to image
[12:08] <suncokret> :)
[12:09] <suncokret> no, i home is on \
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> I have en external disc for that
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> for backups I mean
[12:09] <suncokret> no, home is on \
[12:09] <rafaellaguna> it's safer to have a separate home partition, if you need rto reinstall and format Linux
[12:09] <suncokret> i know
[12:10] <suncokret> but i copied some directories from home .config
[12:10] <suncokret> with configurations from programs
[12:10] <suncokret> :)
[12:10] <suncokret> so i have that
[12:10] <rafaellaguna> too much work :D
[12:10] <suncokret> no
[12:11] <suncokret> i don't use much programs
[12:11] <rafaellaguna> I just clone my partition to the USB disc
[12:15] <suncokret> i have now backup images from Lubuntu 13.04 and 14.04
[12:15] <suncokret> i save it on other partition
[12:15] <rafaellaguna> so you can install 14.04 on top :)
[12:16] <suncokret> now i have on linux partition 13.04
[12:16] <suncokret> and i can delete it
[12:17] <rafaellaguna> right
[12:17] <suncokret> and change to 14.04
[12:17] <suncokret> for about 3 minutes
[12:17] <suncokret> :)
[12:17] <rafaellaguna> I recommend you 14.04, really, it's an improved system
[12:19] <suncokret> if i solve this with colors i will use 14.04
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> I'm not sure about colors, but it's not so important to colorize root apps, but they must use your theme, even in standard colour mode
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> another solution is changing the root theme, using "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:20] <suncokret> no
[12:20] <rafaellaguna> then you can colorize it too
[12:20] <suncokret> i tried that
[12:20] <suncokret> and when you type
[12:20] <suncokret> "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:20] <suncokret> system block
[12:21] <suncokret> and you can only restart it
[12:21] <suncokret> with restart taster
[12:21] <suncokret> :)
[12:21] <suncokret> that is bug
[12:21] <rafaellaguna> not for me, I'm testing right now
[12:21] <rafaellaguna> it works fine
[12:22] <suncokret> i was try that on LXDE on lubuntu 14.04
[12:22] <suncokret> and system was blocked
[12:22] <suncokret> :)
[12:22] <suncokret> then
[12:22] <rafaellaguna> O_o
[12:22] <suncokret> i was try
[12:22] <suncokret> to login in openbox
[12:23] <suncokret> and then i use "gksudo lxappearance"
[12:23] <suncokret> and i change colors
[12:23] <suncokret> but synaptic didn't accept them
[12:23] <suncokret> .
[12:23] <koell> is there an alternative gtk2/openbox theme for lubuntu? i need to see something differen :D
[12:23] <rafaellaguna> www.gnome-look.org :)
[12:23] <rafaellaguna> gtk2? what for?
[12:23] <koell> they dont look that good like the default one =(
[12:24] <koell> i dont know if i can take them seriously xD
[12:24] <rafaellaguna> Lubuntu theme is not "serious"?
[12:24] <koell> lubuntu ones itself is SERIOUS but not those on gnome look
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> try zukitwo, shimmer-themes or elementary, they're nice theme
[12:25] <koell> okey thanks
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome
[12:26] <koell> but it is hard to find an overall good looking theme with icons and all that stuff xD
[12:26] <suncokret> i go to try... i'll be back
[12:26] <suncokret> thank you for help
[12:27] <rafaellaguna> my pleasure :)
[12:27] <koell> hey phillw :)
[12:27] <koell> i just cant find one that is nearly as good as lubuntu-default :D
[12:27] <koell> i may just adjust the colors :D
[12:28] <rafaellaguna> thanks :)
[12:28] <koell> rafaellaguna: O_o?
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> I made Lubuntu theme :D
[12:29] <koell> ohhhh yeah!!! \o/
[12:29] <koell> i like the one really
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> that's why I thank you :D
[12:29] <koell> but what i most like is, it looks good all together, colors, icons, theme etc
[12:29] <rafaellaguna> it's being accepted very well
[12:30] <rafaellaguna> yes, I tried to make eye pleasant and homogeneous, nothing disturbing
[12:30] <koell> i like the new white background since 14.04
[12:30] <koell> i guess it was gray before?
[12:30] <rafaellaguna> yes, it matches new Ubuntu themes, but I think it suits better with our colours
[12:30] <koell> i dont like ubuntu thems :D
[12:31] <rafaellaguna> even better with a shadow under the windows, using compton
[12:31] <rafaellaguna> I do, but I like this better
[12:32] <koell> lubuntu theme look really good with i3wm
[12:32] <rafaellaguna> really? I didn't tested that DE
[12:32] <koell> do you know how to change the background color of pcmanfm sidebar?
[12:32] <rafaellaguna> to-do note  ;)
[12:33] <rafaellaguna> you can't, it's in the code of the theme. only changing the theme
[12:33] <koell> oh
[12:33] <rafaellaguna> or if you're brave enough you can edit the theme file ;)
[12:33] <koell> i thought i can tweak that
[12:33] <koell> it is in the gtk2 theme file?
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> yes, in pcmanfm.rc
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> nope, sorry, in gtkrc
[12:34] <koell> haha
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> gtk_color_scheme = "sidepane_color:#dae0e6"
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> gtk_color_scheme = "sidebar_color:#dae0e6"
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> both
[12:34] <koell> i tried the default lxde/openbox themes. they look... weird
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> first lines
[12:34] <rafaellaguna> yeah, it looks... old
[12:35] <koell> where do i find that gtkrc?
[12:35] <rafaellaguna> in gtk2
[12:36] <rafaellaguna> I recommend you to use gcolor2 to generate a nice colour
[12:36] <koell> great :) do you know where to find some other icons? really i do like lubuntu default look, but i have to see something different sometimes :D
[12:36] <rafaellaguna> in www.gnome-look.org too
[12:37] <koell> im a lubuntu user for almost 4 years now \o/
[12:37] <rafaellaguna> wow, thanks! I love to hear that :D
[12:37] <koell> do you design the LXQT thing as well?
[12:37] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm on it
[12:38] <koell> i dont like to switch =)
[12:38] <rafaellaguna> yes, I'm comfortable too, but change is needed, it's the future :)
[12:38] <koell> it looks not that simple for me imho :D
[12:39] <rafaellaguna> don't worry, I'll make it so Lubuntu like you won't notice any difference :)
[12:39] <koell> hahahah :D
[12:40] <koell> i just take a look on the new kde5. i think it still llooks stupid with that flat design + the shadow. hahahaha
[12:40] <rafaellaguna> yes, too flat, I know it's "trendy", but people get tired of that in a few hours, that's why I hate iOS andd the new Android, and installed MIUI instead
[12:41] <rafaellaguna> in my phone, I mean
[12:41] <koell> im nothing against flat, but they didnt decide between flat and sceumorphsmsmms xd
[12:42] <koell> but hey, they do their work in freetime, i appreciate that :)
[12:42] <rafaellaguna> the brain cannot "read" graphics in flat design after a few hours, we all designers know that
[12:42] <koell> really?
[12:42] <koell> maybe thats where long shadow design came in :D
[12:43] <rafaellaguna> yup, brain is lazy :D it wants well defined areas to look, and so flat colours are confusing
[12:45] <koell> rafaellaguna: so i can only use gtk2 themes in lubuntu right?
[12:45] <rafaellaguna> noooo, Lubuntu default theme is gtk3 (and gtk2 for old apps)
[12:46] <koell> oh
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> I have to go now
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> see you, guys :D
[12:47] <koell> rafaellaguna: come back!
[12:47] <koell> :3
[12:48] <rafaellaguna> I will, glad to speak with you ^^
[12:48] <rafaellaguna> bye!
[12:54] <fares> hi
[12:56] <fares> i use lubuntu   and i want    to  use  when  start  lubuntu between command line and gui  how?
[12:59] <fares> ?
[13:05] <fares> ?
[13:11] <koell> fares: you need to create a new session folder in ~/.config/lxsession
[13:12] <koell> just copy from the existing ones
[13:12] <koell> i do it the same for i3wm and on autostart i kill all what i dont need therefore :)
[13:13] <fares> koell  :  thank you  for answer   i will  try it
[13:13] <koell> :D
[14:15] <phillw> koell: he will be back this evening (UTC time).
[21:56] <rafaellaguna> http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f28/Galliriko/tumbleweed.gif
[22:00] <rena_> rafaellaguna: lol
[22:01] <rafaellaguna> :D


[20:24] <nicolas17> https://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ is unreachable for me (connection refused)
[20:30] <axino> nicolas17: archives aren't available over https (for now at least), please use http
[20:30] <nicolas17> oh huh... guess I added the s accidentally x_X
[20:59] <tomreyn> nicolas17: other archive mirrors are available via https though
[21:02] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors lists those


[13:17] <LeoNerd> Where did  bzr rebase  and  bzr replay  go?
[13:45] <fullermd> Aren't they part of the rewrite plugin?
[13:45] <fullermd> (is that what it's called?  re-something.  All the re-whatsit commands are in re-whatelsesit  ;)