[07:10] <cmug> mpontillo: i used the one that came in 15.04 by default
[07:29] <cmug> i'm testing with 14.04 now, and a single NIC


[14:19] <AlsoItzSwirlz> hi irc team, letting you know when I get home I'm going to continue setting up #ubuntucinnamon
[16:14] <tomreyn> shouldn't that be #ubuntu-cinnamon ?
[21:00] <Unit193> I'd think so.


[12:08] <gary_poster> hey bac.  what do you want to do about bug 994777?  I took off the paralleltest tag, but we should still do something about it IMO.
[12:08] <gary_poster> Disable
[12:08] <gary_poster> ?
[12:08] <gary_poster> frankban, bac, call in 2
[12:09] <bac> k
[13:23] <gary_poster> frankban, I approved the change.  Looks good.
[13:23] <frankban> gary_poster: cool thanks
[14:18] <bac> gary_poster: can i r=gary for the spurious test failure landing
[14:18] <gary_poster> bac, that's just disabling?  if so, sure?
[14:19] <bac> yep
[14:19] <gary_poster> uh, I mean, confidently, "sure" :-)
[14:21]  * bac landing via pqm-submit now seems hard and archaic
[14:21] <gary_poster> heh, yeah
[14:56] <bac> gary_poster: 2pm today good for you for review call?  (just added it to calendar)
[14:56] <gary_poster> bac, yes, cool
[15:09] <bac> gary_poster: so shall i take one of the new bugs (like bug 996773) or is there work on the metatask?
[15:10] <gary_poster> bac, not metatask.
[15:10] <gary_poster> I marked the only subtask as blocked; frankban please correct if wrong
[15:11] <bac> ok, i'll look at that bug then
[15:11] <gary_poster> cool, thanks bac
[15:11] <frankban> gary_poster: you're right
[15:12] <gary_poster> that one is happening more frequently than any others right now for me, bac.  I've wondered if a relatively new change is involved.
[15:12] <gary_poster> frankban, ok, cool, thanks for confirmation/
[15:12] <bac> ok
[15:40] <gary_poster> bac or frankban, I'm having a seg fault when I try to dupe bug 996720.  It says a core is dumped, but it is not in working directory, and indeed I don't see anything pertinent named "core" in my home directory.  I have "ulimit -c unlimited" both in the lxc container and (when that didn't seem to do anything) in the host.  Any ideas on how to get the core dump?  I'd like to at least see what is falling over.
[15:43] <frankban> gary_poster: just an idea... do you get sigsegv also using ssh -X?
[15:44] <bac> gary_poster: no idea, since you've set ulimit.  can you reproduce on the host?
[15:44] <gary_poster> frankban, no idea but will investigate.  bac, my host is not set up as a dev environment
[15:45] <gary_poster> I could try to set up a vm
[15:45] <benji> gary_poster: look at /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern; apport may be eating the core file
[15:45] <gary_poster> (that failed last time I tried :-P but it would be nice to have
[15:46] <gary_poster> benji, hi thanks.  it is "|/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c" which does look a bit like it might be eating
[15:46] <benji> mmmm... nummy core files
[15:54] <gary_poster> benji, interesting, in host and container, root does not have permission to move or edit that file.  weird.
[15:54] <benji> I guess they really want apport to know about crashes.
[15:55] <gary_poster> heh
[16:11] <gary_poster> for reference, apparently the only acceptable way to change the file is on the order of `echo "core" > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern`
[16:11] <gary_poster> and there it is!
[16:14] <gary_poster> ugh
[16:14] <gary_poster> all that and it was just because I forgot to use xvfb, I think.  :-(  Lunch, then will return.
[17:55] <gary_poster> bac, Julia (our baby) is awake from her nap earlier than expected and Karyn is getting her mom from the airport.  she should be back soon.  I'm leaving the baby in her crib for as long as she is willing to stay there.  She's ok for now.  If you are ok with playing it by ear, I'm fine with being optimistic and starting at 2; otherwise we can wait till Karyn returns.  Which would you prefer?
[17:56] <bac> we can start and then delay if the screaming gets too bad
[17:56] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[18:00] <bac> gary_poster: normal hangout?
[18:00] <gary_poster> bac, https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/extras/canonical.com/goldenhordeoneonone
[18:01] <gary_poster> not sure that is normal or not :-)
[18:32] <bac><PHONE_NUMBER>
[20:01] <bac> uh-oh, power flickeriness


  "Sorry, Ubuntu 17.10 has experienced an internal error".
[05:12] <Kumool> oh my! its a ball!
[05:14] <Kumool> that reminds me
[05:21]  * ball ponders
[07:57] <sima> Why Software updater window can't get smaller, but only bigger?
[07:58] <sima> I can't resize it to anything smaller then full screen resolution in size, once I suppose I closed it on that size...
[07:58] <sima> 17.10 64bit...
[08:00] <sima> It is when there are updates and they are listed befor eupdating


[03:27] <Fujitsu> Is it only official Launchpad people who can gain access to the main dev branch on chinstrap?
[04:23] <lifeless> jamesh: around ?
[04:24] <mpt_> Fujitsu, more or less
[04:24] <Fujitsu> mpt_, darn.
[04:24] <Fujitsu> mpt_, there isn't a mirror around I could access, is there?
[04:25] <mpt_> no
[04:25] <jamesh> lifeless: yeah
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Grrreat.
[04:25] <mpt_> Fujitsu, if you're interested in hacking Launchpad, talk to kiko or SteveA about the sort of things you want to do
[04:26] <Fujitsu> Well, I was going to try to look at Malone, and see if it would be feasible to do an XML-RPC type thing.
[04:26] <Fujitsu> Because the web interface isn't ideal for mass bug-triage.
[04:27] <mpt_> Have you seen ploum's work?
[04:27] <Fujitsu> No...
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[04:28] <Fujitsu> I see.
[04:30] <Fujitsu> Is part of it going to be implementing XML-RPC in Malone, or is it going to parse the normal HTML!?
[04:30] <mpt__> gah
[04:30] <Fujitsu> mpt__, you seem to be having nasty issues today.
[04:30] <mpt__> Fujitsu, did you get that link before I lots my connection?
[04:30] <mpt> lost, even
 Have you seen ploum's work?
[04:30] <Fujitsu> That's all I saw.
[04:30] <Fujitsu> But I found the spec.
[04:30] <mpt> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?115-conseil-001-in-the-middle-of-the-boxes
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[04:32] <Fujitsu> XML-RPC is needed to make that sort of thing feasible. Malone's pages have changed a bit lately...
[04:33] <Fujitsu> And, is it just me or is it a little odd that such a community oriented distribution as Ubuntu relies on something closed as its main piece of infrastructure?
[04:34] <mpt> I guess it is odd compared with other distributions
[04:34] <mpt> though they all tend to use Bugzilla, so that's a sample of one in some ways
[04:35] <Fujitsu> But is there any good reason for it to be closed!?
[04:38] <mpt> yes, though I'm not really the appropriate person to talk about that
[04:38] <mpt> There's some discussion of it in the FAQ https://launchpad.net/faq
[04:43] <Fujitsu> Ah. :(
[04:49] <Fujitsu> Is Soyuz the `distribution management code' the FAQ speaks of?
[04:49] <mpt> yes
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Well, it's quite integrated, then. D:
[04:51] <mpt> "D:" ?
[04:51] <mpt> What's that expression, aghast? :-)
[04:52] <Fujitsu> Very disappointed.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Or aghast, if you say so... Or horrified, or mortified.
[08:45] <lifeless> jamesh: you have a asterisk install locally ?
[08:49] <jamesh> lifeless: no
[08:50] <jamesh> lifeless: I was able to directly connect
[08:50] <jamesh> (through the firewall)
[09:12] <control> hello
[09:13] <control> My name is Ilya I from Russia. Who can set some questions?
[09:15] <control> anybody channel?
[11:22] <sivang> morning
[06:49] <david_> hi
[06:50] <ploum> hello
[06:50] <ploum> I will start soon the write support of my bug triage application
[06:50] <ploum> Where can I modify a bug without annoying everybody ?
[06:50] <LarstiQ> pardon?
[06:50] <mpt> ploum, staging.launchpad.net
[06:50] <LarstiQ> oh, for testing purposes?
[06:51] <ploum> LarstiQ: indeed
[06:51] <LarstiQ> what mpt said :)
[06:51] <mpt> A copy of the real database, and your changes get wiped every few hours
[06:51] <mpt> The only catch is, it's offline a fair bit :-)
[06:52] <mpt> If it's down and they're online, ping stub or carlos, and they can restart it for you
[06:52] <ploum> thanks
[06:52] <ploum> I didn't know that
[06:52] <ploum> that's perfect
[07:49] <ploum> Gnnni ! Forms in launchpad does have have all name !
[07:49] <ploum> :-(
[10:25] <sharms> How to I change the importance of a bug? (IE from untriaged to medium)
[10:30] <LarstiQ> sharms: click on the upstream/distro in the Affects table
[10:30] <LarstiQ> sharms: or append +editstatus to the bug
[10:31] <sharms> thanks
[10:32] <sharms> LarstiQ: When I do that the importance is not a choice I can change
[10:46] <sharms> anyone have an answer for triage?


 I've been able to solve all issues except that the read/write image
[07:08] <larsu> pitti: already started converting units (and getting rid of the ones we don't need anymore)
[07:08]  * larsu is reading a lot of man pages
[07:09] <larsu> gotta stop for today though and translate some slides for a sales meeting :)
[07:11] <pitti> larsu: oh, that sounds like good progress! You are converting the remaining ones in lxc-android-config?
[07:11] <pitti> larsu: please let me know if you have questions or run into trouble
[07:11]  * pitti hugs larsu
[07:12] <larsu> pitti: yep. Will do thanks :)
[07:12]  * larsu hugs pitti back
[07:44] <willcooke> Morning all
[07:44] <willcooke> what's libpeas?
[07:45] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:45] <larsu> willcooke: morning. A library for handling plugins in apps
[07:45] <larsu> (think gedit, totem, etc)
[07:45] <willcooke> thx larsu
[07:46] <willcooke> Do we think #1440504 is something we should target for this cycle
[07:47] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas/+bug/1440504
[07:47] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:47] <seb128> willcooke, Laney said he would look at it
[07:48] <willcooke> seb128, well, he said "when and if" ;)
[07:48] <willcooke> is that Laney speak for "I'll do it"?
[07:48] <larsu> woah why is that? Different deps on introspection stuff?
[07:49] <seb128> unsure...
[07:49] <seb128> willcooke, I think it's a way to see "in due time" ... do you consider that a top priority?
[07:49] <seb128> we should do it this cycle if we can
[07:49] <seb128> but I don't think it needs to be done this week
[07:50] <willcooke> That's cool, I don't mind - but I have heard talk of getting Python 2.x off the install CD / out of the image for a while, so if that's blocking then I would like to get it done
[07:50] <seb128> yeah, that's not "blocking"
[07:50] <seb128> it's part of a stack remaining and not the most difficult item
[07:50] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=python3
[07:51] <seb128> "port software-center to python3" is on this list
[07:51] <willcooke> ah, lolz
[07:51] <seb128> ubuntu-sso-client as well
[07:51] <willcooke> got it
[07:51] <seb128> sessioninstaller port to python3 too
[07:51] <willcooke> thanks, I have some scope now :)
[07:51] <seb128> so yeah, some of those need quite some upstream work and have no allocated ressources atm
[07:52] <willcooke> cool, thanks for helping me understand
[07:52] <seb128> yw!
[07:55] <seb128> I've a big pitti on my g+ today
[07:56] <pitti> seb128: oh, from the canonical pitti? I forgot to remove the auto-generated github link in my daily report yesterday.. :)
[07:56] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/pitti.png
[07:56] <seb128> :-)
[07:57] <pitti> heh, yeah
[07:57] <seb128> pitti, stop staring at me, I didn't do it!
[07:57] <seb128> :p
[07:57] <pitti> seb128: it's not my angry face!
[07:57] <seb128> :-)
[07:57] <larsu> pitti has an angry face? /me doesn't believe
[07:58] <seb128> I was going to say
[07:59] <pitti> yeah, it doesn't come out very often
[07:59] <Laney> hullo
[07:59] <pitti> try saying "TTIP", and you'll see it :)
[07:59] <pitti> Laney: oh hai!
[08:00] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:00] <Laney> hey pitti seb128
[08:00] <Laney> what's up?
[08:00]  * Laney is outside in the sun
[08:00] <seb128> Laney, can you see the screen with this reflective glass?
[08:00] <Laney> a bit
[08:01] <Laney> I'm going to go inside in a minute
[08:03] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:03] <Laney> hey larsu
[08:03] <Laney> what's crackin'?
[08:04] <larsu> got the sales thing today
[08:04] <larsu> translating some remaining slides to German right now. "fun"
[08:04] <larsu> you?
[08:04] <Laney> oh yeah
[08:04] <Laney> what is the general theme?
[08:04] <larsu> ubuntu — designed for government
[08:05] <larsu> it's about all kinds of public sector use
[08:05] <Laney> ah, advertising the keylogging feature
[08:05] <Laney> ^o)
[08:05] <larsu> actually quite interesting :)
[08:06] <Laney> willcooke: It means "someone needs to analyse the reverse dependencies first" by the way
[08:06] <willcooke> thx Laney
[08:06] <Laney> I was mainly intercepting robert_ancell doing this in Ubuntu
[08:06] <willcooke> gotya
[08:06] <Laney> he's welcome to do that first bit ;)
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: did you see that LO is still ENOSPCing?
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: yes, and I know exactly why
[08:11] <Laney> \o/
[08:11] <Laney> |o/
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: (and glibc and chromium-browser)
[08:11] <Laney> \o|
[08:11] <Laney> |o|
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: I'm just preparing the systemd upload which will fix this :)
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: *\o-*
[08:12] <seb128> systemd issue?
[08:12] <Laney> gooooooooooo team!
[08:12] <pitti> mounting /tmp/ as a tmpfs
[08:12] <pitti> I didn't notice as I do that anyway
[08:12] <pitti> we now have a solid fix for that (plus a new autopkgtest)
[08:12] <Laney> ah, I thought ubuntu2 was for this but now I see the changelog
[08:13] <pitti> I had an initial bandaid yesterday
[08:13] <pitti> but mbiebl and I discussed how to make this less brittle
[08:58] <Laney> http://www.nottinghampost.com/Giant-indoor-trampoline-park-coming-Nottingham/story-26674935-detail/story.html
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, found a new sport? ;-)
[09:06] <Laney> tempting!
[09:07] <xnox> RFP of gtk-nocsd
[09:07] <xnox> =)
[09:07] <xnox> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788076
[09:07] <xnox> Laney: can one play ulitmate freezby on that ?! =)
[09:08] <seb128> gtk-nocsd!
[09:09] <Laney> haha
[09:09] <Laney> they should add something in there to stop drawing the window controls
[09:10] <larsu> omg
[09:10] <Laney> SEED IT
[09:10] <seb128> :-)
[09:11] <larsu> let's do some string comparisons whenever we create any GType!
[09:11] <larsu> surely that will make things faster :/
[09:12] <hyperair> lol
[09:12] <hyperair> is that your first time seeing that?
[09:12] <larsu> ya
[09:13] <larsu> the README is gold: "Even worse, this may break some window manager or compositors.
[09:13] <hyperair> fwiw, i think ld-linux does some string comparisons for looking up symbols as well
[09:14] <hyperair> as does dynamic_cast<> in C++
[09:14] <larsu> indeed, and this is just when registering the type
[09:14] <larsu> so not all that bad
[09:14] <hyperair> yeah
[09:14] <hyperair> what README are you talking about anywya?
[09:14] <larsu> https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd
[09:15] <seb128> somebody should just fork gtk ;-)
[09:16] <hyperair> well, sounds like the typical disgruntled non-gnome gtk-using developer..
[09:16] <hyperair> this sentiment seems to float around the lxde and xfce communities
[09:16] <seb128> kde, unity as well
[09:17] <seb128> most of !GNOME I guess
[09:30] <larsu> people were always complaining about gnome and gtk
[09:30] <larsu> this is not news
[09:31] <larsu> even in the 2.x days ... and still, everyone continues to use it
[09:31] <seb128> unsure
[09:31] <seb128> devs didn't complain much about gtk2, out of maybe things being stalling/the toolkit not being modern enough
[09:31] <larsu> exactly
[09:32] <larsu> it was too slow, now it's too fast
[09:32] <larsu> always something to complain
[09:32] <seb128> the main issue with the GTK3 way and what alienates most users is the tendency to replace things with uncomplete/not ready solution
[09:32] <seb128> like "that's the new way, it works for us but doesn't do everything you might need, don't worry we are going to fix it in the next cycles"
[09:32] <larsu> yeah, it adopted the GNOME way of doing things :)
[09:33] <seb128> meanwhile if you want/need those things, sucks to be you
[09:33] <seb128> like you wm doesn't handle csd?
[09:33] <seb128> or you need different decoration order/side that from th GNOME ones?
[09:33] <seb128> sorry, can't do, wait a few cycles
[09:33] <larsu> seb128: ya, taking out the GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS check was bollocks
[09:34] <larsu> I'm not saying that this is the best way to handle a project
[09:34] <larsu> but noone has done it better so far
[09:34] <larsu> just a lot of complaining
[09:44] <seb128> yeah :-/
[09:45] <hyperair> seb128: lol, that whole "that's the new way" thing has been the way a lot of open source projects have been going
[09:45] <hyperair> GNOME isn't the only one doing this
[09:45] <hyperair> arguably, it might be the same bunch of people involved
[09:45] <hyperair> but there was what, HAL, upower, udisks, and udisks2 before that that went the same way
[09:46] <hyperair> and then there's the systemd pattern of course
[09:46] <hyperair> all your projects are belong to systemd
[09:46] <hyperair> s/^/systemd-/ on all project names!
[09:47] <hyperair> okay nuff ranting from me
[09:53] <pitti> sorry, I missed the start of that conversation over my "keyboard broke" fuss here -- what's the "new way"?
[09:54] <larsu> pitti: feel free to ignore
[09:56] <Laney> https://twitter.com/GermanQuatsch
[09:57]  * Laney learns Mäusespeck
[09:59] <ogra_> yummy !
[10:00] <ogra_> the pic is wrong though
[10:00] <ogra_> http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-05/15/10/enhanced/webdr01/enhanced-buzz-11894-1431699200-9.jpg
[10:01] <ogra_> thats the real Mäusespeck :)
[10:01] <ogra_> (quite different from mashmellow mice)
[10:02] <Laney> they don't look like mäuse any more!
[10:02] <Laney> maybe after some heavy processing
[10:02] <ogra_> its only their bacon ...
[10:02] <ogra_> your breakfast bacon doesnt look like a pig either :)
[10:04] <Laney> speak for yourself
[10:04]  * Laney Henry VIII
[10:04] <ogra_> lol
[10:05] <davmor2> willcooke: 15.10 i386 had a very short play last night, trackpad is stupidly sensitive and most of the apps closed instantly other than that looks fun so far :0
[10:05] <davmor2> :)
[10:06] <Laney> most of the apps closed instantly?
[10:06] <Laney> bug report please?
[10:07] <ogra_> does desktop have a very short app lifecycle ?
[10:07] <ogra_> :P
[10:10] <davmor2> Laney: will do when I have 5 minutes, settings app was the only one that seemed to stay open
[10:30] <pitti> Laney: chromium-browser now doesn't fail any more on ENOSPC, but fails on an entirely different reason
[10:30] <pitti> grep: webserver-out: No such file or directory
[10:31]  * Laney NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo
[10:32] <Laney> wait, this isn't blocking gtk ;-)
[10:32] <Laney> although I am about to sync glib, so I probably do still care
[10:34] <pitti> I retried glibc and libo as well now
[10:35] <Laney> qengho: maybe you could take a look at https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-chromium-browser/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console once you're around?
[11:00] <pitti> Laney: right, this looks like an honest test regression with the new upstream versoin
[11:02] <Laney> nod, or at least the test harness
[11:02] <Laney> either way it needs looking at
[12:41] <Laney> seb128: can you demote-to-proposed gnome-shell-extension-autohidetopbar gnome-shell-extension-redshift gnome-shell-extension-suspend-button gnome-shell-extension-weather gnome-shell-timer please?
[12:41] <Laney> the tests are passing again now
[12:44]  * Laney lunches
[12:44] <Laney> demote-to-proposed is in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools, btw
[12:46]  * Laney has blocked them in proposed-migration so they don't go straight back in
[12:47] <seb128> Laney, what is "demote to proposed"?
[12:47] <seb128> isn't that just deleting from wily and keeping only the proposed pocket version?
[12:47] <seb128> thanks for pointing the tool ;-)
[12:47] <Laney> no, there is no proposed version
[12:47] <Laney> it copies it there and deletes the wily one
[12:48] <Laney> so that it goes back in if e.g. it gets synced
[12:48] <seb128> I see
[12:48] <seb128> thanks
[12:49] <seb128> enjoy lunch ;-)
[12:50]  * Laney is deciding what to have
[12:50] <Laney> thank *you*!
[13:23] <qengho> Laney: Perhaps not that error?  "tar: Unexpected EOF in archive"   I'll look at others.
[13:57] <pitti> qengho: oh, amd64 failed with that
[13:57] <pitti> qengho: we mean the i386 one ("grep: webserver-out: No such file or directory
[13:57] <seb128> same on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-adt-libreoffice/67/ARCH=i386,label=adt/
[13:58] <qengho> pitti: Yes, got it. Fixed. Will propose replacement soon.
[13:58] <pitti> qengho: \o/ cheers!
[14:09] <Laney> qengho: ah, there was another run and I linked to lastBuild - unhelpful of me
[14:09] <Laney> build 42
[14:09] <Laney> seb128: it went in \o/
[14:10] <seb128> Laney, larsu, well done ;-)
[14:11] <Laney> let the complaints commence
[14:55] <gogis_> ok, so here I am :)
[14:55] <gogis_> I know C/++, Python, Pascal, quite Java... I also understand Assembly and I can learn other languages quickly... can I somehow help with the development of ubuntu?
[14:58] <gogis_> hey there :)
[14:58] <Laney> hi gogis_
[14:58] <Laney> you sure can if you want to
[14:58] <gogis_> Hi Laney
[14:59] <Laney> what area do you want to work on? desktop / server / phone?
[15:00] <gogis_> I would personally prefer to work on desktop, but in the end, it doesn't matter, I would do whatever
[15:00] <Laney> well I always think the best way to get motivated at the start is to work on something which you have a personal interest in
[15:01] <Laney> that is either a bug which annoys you or an application you like
[15:01] <gogis_> Laney: Yeah, I agree
[15:02] <gogis_> Laney: Ok, but how do I get in touch with the developlment team, how do I know what exactly to do?
[15:02] <Laney> you found us
[15:03] <Laney> e.g. here is the bug list for rhythmbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox
[15:05] <gogis_> well, nice... where do I get the source codes and what should I do, when I fix some bug?
[15:08] <Laney> here's some documentation: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/traditional-packaging.html and then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue is how to get it reviewed
[15:09] <Laney> it's a bit complex at the start
[15:09] <gogis_> yeah, I see
[15:09] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is a good page too
[15:10] <gogis_> thank you, Laney :)
[15:10] <gogis_> what do you do, for example?
[15:13] <Laney> I work on the desktop mainly, fixing bugs and helping to maintain and integrate the software which makes it up
[15:13] <Laney> also working with the projects that develop the software we use
[15:38] <Laney> can I get seahorse's gpg-agent to forget my key after a timeout?
[15:38] <Laney> it seems to be keeping it unlocked forever which is disturbing me
[15:39] <ogra_> Laney, +1
[15:39] <ogra_> just took me 45min to even find what i have to do after mv'ing ~/.ssh around
[15:39] <ogra_> evo didnt want to talk to dbus anymore and stuff
[15:40] <Laney> DDTT™ :)
[15:41] <ogra_> fun is ... if ssh <IP> doesnt work ... but ssh localhost "ssh <IP>" does :)
[15:43] <seb128> Laney, mvo, ogra_, do you have any opinion on http://paste.ubuntu.com/11696900/ ?
[15:44] <Laney> I have no idea, try slangasek?
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, k
[15:44] <Laney> sorry
[15:44] <seb128> no worry
[15:45] <ogra_> seb128, if you have multiple vmlinuz-* files it would only copy the last ona anyway, no ?
[15:46] <ogra_> (i.e. when you have vlinuz-* and .signed and .efi.signed and whatever)
[15:46] <mvo> seb128: no opinion, I wonder how we can convey better that any change in the file needs to be done in two places :/ maybe we could sh "source" the one from the other?
[15:46] <mvo> seb128: if symlinks do not work
[15:46] <Laney> why don't symlinks work?
[15:46] <ogra_> does the x86 image use a vfat for the boot partition too ?
[15:46] <seb128> ogra_, no, because it would be "cp vmlinuz vmlinuz.signed dir/vmlinuz"
[15:47] <seb128> ogra_, or that work only if dir/vmlinuz is a dir
[15:47] <seb128> which it's not
[15:47] <ogra_> yeah
[15:47] <seb128> mvo, yeah, unsure but that's another topic, I don't want to block getting an image to build on making livecd-rootfs design sucks less
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, because they don't, I tried this week
[15:48] <Laney> haha
[15:48] <ogra_> what do you mean by "suck less" livecd-rootfs is a beauty
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/208713546/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_i386_ubuntu-desktop-next_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:48]  * ogra_ hides somewhere
[15:48] <Laney> I believe you that they don't
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, cp: cannot stat 'config/hooks/03-boot_with_systemd.chroot': No such file or directory
[15:48] <mvo> seb128: ok
[15:48] <Laney> I want to know why and whether that can be fixed instead :P
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, ^
[15:48] <seb128> Laney, patches are welcome :-)
[15:48] <Laney> like cp -L or so
[15:48] <Laney> ...
[15:49] <seb128> I don't understand how livecd-rootfs works
[15:49] <seb128> what is the relative dir and where it's copied
[15:49] <seb128> so I don't understand why it's failing
[15:49] <ogra_> it unpacks the linux package in the chroot you are currently in
[15:49] <ogra_> so the kernel ends up in boot/
[15:49] <seb128> ogra_, the symlink issue Laney is asking is something else
[15:50] <seb128> I tried to symlink hooks
[15:50]  * ogra_ doesnt see whats complicated about that
[15:50] <seb128> but that results in a "cp: cannot stat 'config/hooks/03-boot_with_systemd.chroot': No such file or directory"
[15:50] <seb128> so somewhat the symlink doesn't resolve
[15:50] <ogra_> yeah, that wont work
[15:52] <seb128> slangasek is happy with the change
[15:52]  * seb128 uploads
[15:58] <seb128> "You have been added to ubuntu-desktop-next-release"
[15:58] <seb128> I feel like Laney is on something
[15:58] <Laney> MUHAHAHA
[15:58] <seb128> :-)
[16:26]  * willcooke -> EOD
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, is that you hammering desktop-next i386 rebuilds?
[17:16] <Laney> ye
[17:17] <Laney> has this one hung?
[17:18] <Laney> oh no, just moving  slowly
[17:19] <Laney> I'll check on it later, got to go climbing now
[17:19] <Laney> should post to the iso tracker if I got the config right this time
[17:19] <Laney> & then in theory self service rebuilds should w ork
[17:19] <Laney> (i386 only until I push the change)
[17:20] <Laney> ok, see you!
[17:20] <seb128> Laney, have fun
[17:27] <Sweet5hark> sneaky changes in configure defaults that create hope: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/88f94fa76ffbfc3abba885480d7d2d2e05107d0a
[17:30] <seb128> Laney, pitti, can you one you sponsors http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697411/ to debian for me?
[17:37] <seb128> can't commit to the svn either for some reason
[17:37] <seb128> where I can ssh to svn.debian.org
[17:37] <seb128> bah, going for some exercice
[17:37] <seb128> bbl


[04:15] <wxl[m]> @tsimonq2 images seem to be behind
[04:15] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Aware
[04:16] <wxl[m]> What's the deal?
[04:16] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Our Git seed conversion didn't take into account that when generating the dailies, the tooling runs germinate on its own and expects a Bazaar branch.
[04:17] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: I have a backwards-compatible complete fix all ready to go, but people are on holiday...
[04:17] <wxl[m]> Aw hell
[04:18] <tsimonq2> Right... :/
[04:24] <wxl[m]> Or fix the tooling
[04:25] <tsimonq2> That... is the tooling?
[04:26] <wxl[m]> Oh you ARE fixing the tooling neat
[04:26] <wxl[m]> Linky?
[04:27] <wxl[m]> Found it
[04:28] <tsimonq2> Found what, specifically? :)
[04:28] <wxl[m]> Not proposed for merging?
[04:28] <tsimonq2> Not yet
[04:28] <wxl[m]> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/add-git-support-to-germinate
[04:28] <tsimonq2> Chatting with that one guy
[04:28] <tsimonq2> Yeah
[04:28] <tsimonq2> That
[04:28] <wxl[m]> Well that might help your cause
[04:28] <tsimonq2> lol
[04:33] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-cdimage/add-git-support-to-germinate/+merge/335604
[04:35] <tsimonq2> wxl[m]: Get on #lubuntu :)
 @Daniel, 😢
 hi
 it stays there and does not happen
[11:40] <agaida> fyi
[11:41] <agaida> 2017-12-30  11:34:38 <BTS> lxterminal 0.3.1-1 uploaded by Yao Wei (魏銘廷<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Closes: #790184, #878301) https://tracker.debian.org/lxterminal
[11:41] <agaida> 2017-12-30  11:34:44 <BTS> lxterminal 0.3.1-2 uploaded by Yao Wei (魏銘廷<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Closes: #790184, #878301) https://tracker.debian.org/lxterminal
[11:41] <agaida> 2017-12-30  11:39:15 <BTS> Opened #885845 in src:netcdf 1:4.5.0-1 by Helmut Grohne<EMAIL_ADDRESS>«netcdf FTCBFS: CHECK_C_SOURCE_RUNS». https://bugs.debian.org/885845
[11:41] <agaida> 2017-12-30  11:39:28 <BTS> Closed #790184 in src:lxterminal by Yao Wei (魏銘廷<EMAIL_ADDRESS>«lxterminal: depends on vte which is deprecated». https://bugs.debian.org/790184
[11:41] <agaida> 2017-12-30  11:39:34 <BTS> Closed #878301 in lxterminal by Yao Wei (魏銘廷<EMAIL_ADDRESS>«command input as -e option cannot be with arguments». https://bugs.debian.org/878301
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:8080//file_3229.mp4
 @tsimonq2, If I read the backlog correctly, Debian is OK to switch it to GTK3 ? In this case, just follow Debian on this
 @julienlavergne, Yep, that was my plan
 I thought they were hesitant on it, which is why I just said in the Ubuntu bug report that we're following Debian on this one to reduce maintenance load :)
[21:28] <wxl> is it just me or can you not see all comments at 1734147 ?
[21:29] <wxl> nerermind
[21:29] <wxl> good job


[01:18]  * genii sips
[03:01] <tritium> Good evening.
[03:01] <Flannel> Howdy tritium
[03:02] <tritium> Hi Flannel.
[04:27] <mneptok> i just ate a grape and i ...
[05:20] <genii> Hopefully didn't choke
[06:03] <bazhang>  [sporty_] (n=z@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple <--ban evading in -ot
 LjL: you're saying about e,g, 'ban evasion' - what is a term of the ban then? E.g. 3 days or e.g. two weeks?
[06:05] <bazhang> :/
[06:08] <bazhang> anyone with privileges in -ot : sporty_ is ban evading (again)
[06:09] <Flannel> weee people
[06:10] <Flannel> That could've been an accident though
[06:11] <bazhang> a kernel trap? sarana_monk
[06:12] <Flannel> probably means panic
[06:16] <Flannel> bazhang: odd.  That guy spamming the names just came to my LoCo channel, with a different nick
[06:17] <bazhang> Flannel, I've seen that behaviour in #freenode before as well
[06:17] <Flannel> I've seen the behavior before, yeah.   Just thought it was odd that it was the same guy
[07:52] <elkbuntu> oh god, what is paddy on about now?
[07:53] <mneptok> elkbuntu: i just ate a grape and i ...
[07:54] <elkbuntu> eww
[07:54] <mneptok> *kills* me
[07:54] <elkbuntu> that's almost as bad as the asspennies thing
[07:54] <mneptok> O:)
[07:55] <elkbuntu> but seriously, why is paddy crapping on about burqas?
[07:56] <mneptok> maybe he asked for one for Kwanzaa, didn't get one, and is bitter.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> has he pounced on everyone else who's spoken in -offtopic?
[07:57] <mneptok> no, but i don't have boobs.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> i mean, he pounced on me yesterday to show me a pic of him, then got annoyed when i didnt compliment him
[07:57]  * mneptok makes some wild assumptions that are usually true on IRC
[07:58] <elkbuntu> mneptok, precisely what i'm suspecting, which means i'm >< close to telling him to go find a mannequin.
[07:58] <mneptok> oh, yeah. point him MY way! bitch.
[07:58] <mneptok> *muah*
[07:59] <elkbuntu> mneptok, he's not done anything quite that bad yet
[07:59] <mneptok> actually, this time of year i'm a space heater in pants.
[07:59] <elkbuntu> !tmi
[07:59] <mneptok> i get into bed and woo *immediately* slides over against me, because my body temp is warmer at night than hers.
[08:00] <mneptok> but god help me if i put an arm over er or anything.
[08:00] <mneptok> *her
[08:00] <elkbuntu> ah, so *that's* why she's still with you
[08:00] <mneptok> that and i stole her car keys.
[08:01] <mneptok> at -18C, i can't really blame her.
[08:03] <elkbuntu> well, it is canada
[11:39] <ziroday> hey sporty is in #ubuntu-offtopic ban evading
[11:40] <ziroday> someone might want to stop by :)
[11:40] <bazhang> ziroday, thanks; he was there before
[11:40] <ziroday> bazhang: good luck
[11:40] <bazhang> ziroday, trying to raise someone with privileges there
[11:41] <bazhang> * [sporty_] (n=z@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple <---second time today
[11:43] <ikonia> mneptok: elkbuntu LjL Pici PriceChild Mez ping
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i saw. if he's in 5 times already, what's another +b going to do?
[11:44] <ikonia> elkbuntu just kick him
[11:44] <elkbuntu> he left of his own accord
[11:44] <ikonia> can you do something on ident
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i'm fighting with ff. keeps using 20x system load
[11:44] <elkbuntu> not. fun.
[11:45] <elkbuntu> my mother is trying to IM me and wondering why she's not getting responses quick enough
[11:45] <elkbuntu> ... becuase a stupid browser is being a **************************************************************
[11:46] <elkbuntu> this whole system is so freaking slow. and it's a relatively fresh install
[11:47] <ikonia> sounds bad
[11:47] <elkbuntu> well, when i can count to five before an xterm window starts to paint, yes.
[11:49] <ikonia> @bansearch z
[11:50] <elkbuntu> i suspect it's a display bug though. i can guarantee that visiting engrishfunny.com will cause it to happen, other high-media sites
[11:50] <ikonia> elkbuntu: are you using an odd version ?
[11:50] <elkbuntu> @bansearch z*
[11:50] <elkbuntu> ikonia, no.
[11:50] <ikonia> elkbuntu just a base 8.10 install ?
[11:51] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yes. the only addon is the barcode thing for the phone
[11:51] <ikonia> elkbuntu which I'm using without issue here
[13:38] <Mez> hmm @ ikonia that didn't hilight me
[13:39] <ikonia> mneptok: how odd
[13:40] <Mez> lol - tabcompletion fail
[13:53] <ikonia> totally
[13:53] <ikonia> more a case of fat fingers fail
[13:53] <ikonia> I didn't even notice unti you just said
[14:17] <LjL> ridiculous... launchpad thinks "my languages" are italian (ok, that one's right), franco-provençal and piedmontese
[14:38] <ikonia> @bansearch jujube
[14:38] <ikonia> @bansearch jujubee
[14:38] <ikonia> JuJuBee: ok, I can see the problem, can you give me a moment please
[14:38] <JuJuBee> Thanks
[14:39] <ikonia> JuJuBee: do you have any other nicknames your normally use
[14:39] <JuJuBee> No
[14:39] <ikonia> JuJuBee: no problem, just a moment please
[14:40] <ikonia> JuJuBee: do you want to try that in #kubuntu now /
[14:40] <JuJuBee> Sure, thanks.
[14:41] <JuJuBee> Nope.  Same message ":kubrick.freenode.net 404 JuJuBee #kubuntu :Cannot send to channel"
[14:41] <ikonia> one moment again please
[14:41] <JuJuBee> K
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: you removed it as if it were a ban, but it's a mute
[14:42] <LjL> so you didn't
[14:42] <ikonia> just noticed
[14:42] <ikonia> sorry
[14:42] <ikonia> was a mute not a ban
[14:42] <ikonia> una momento
[14:43] <JuJuBee> Any idea why I was muted?
[14:44] <ikonia> someone else using your ip
[14:44] <ikonia> looks like your ok now
[14:44] <JuJuBee> My IP is the IP of the server in my classroom.
[14:44] <JuJuBee> I have several students and they may also be connecting.
[14:45] <LjL> JuJuBee: then consider trying to tell them that acting like fools on IRC isn't fun
[14:45] <JuJuBee> I will indeed.  Any way of finding out what they did?
[14:45] <ikonia> that explains why he was asking how to bypass security in your school
[14:45] <LjL> JuJuBee: yeah, i can give you logs
[14:45] <JuJuBee> I would greatly appreciate it.  I can hammer them...
[14:46] <LjL> JuJuBee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/82977/
[14:47] <JuJuBee> LjL: Thanks.  I will deal with this.
[14:48] <LjL> poor kid
[14:48] <ikonia> seems happy enough
[14:48] <LjL> i mean the kid who'll be hammered
[14:49] <LjL> assuming it's not all made up
[14:49] <ikonia> well, that will teach him to orginise media in his pubic hair
[14:49] <LjL> heh
[14:53]  * LjL had better clean up some diskspace *before* all his bots crash
[14:53] <LjL> for a chance
[14:54] <ikonia> how much disk do they use per month ?
[15:38] <LjL> ikonia: it's not the bots, it's my irc logs mostly
[15:39] <LjL> ikonia: i'm *still* using stupid muh as a bouncer, and it has the "small" problem that QUIT and NICK messages are logged in *all* channels. so every QUIT or NICK that happens in #ubuntu is reflected in all other channel logs
[15:46] <ikonia> gents I'm talking to make0 in pm
[15:46] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[16:14] <ikonia> his attitude sucked
[16:14] <ikonia> he just spent time trying to jsutify it "I was helping posting support requests" " some op kicked me for helping someone some time" " I help loads so I can post this"
[16:14] <bazhang> probably me
[16:15] <ikonia> his attitude stunk, until he realised I was an op then he's eating humble pie, which I don't like
[16:15] <bazhang> though his account differs from how things transpired in fact
[16:15] <ikonia> I was polite to him
[16:15] <bazhang> a more strident mrwes
[16:15] <ikonia> advised him to think "if the channel needs to see this link, or would benifit from this link" before posting in future to avoid an issue
[16:16] <ikonia> typical responses "you don't tell me waht to post"
[16:16] <ikonia> now he admits he was lieing
[16:17] <ikonia> was just posting it because he thought it was funny
[16:17] <ikonia> wanted people to laught at it
[16:17] <ikonia> not a big deal, more his attitude
[16:18] <bazhang> yep
[16:18] <bazhang>  a simple 'my bad' and it would have died
[16:18] <ikonia> exactly
[16:18] <ikonia> now he's being an idiot so I'll remove him in am inute
[16:18] <ikonia> I said "it would be nice if you took a break from ubuntu to think about how you speak to people trying to help"
[16:19] <ikonia> now he's being a jerk with it "it would be nice, does that mean you take pleasure in telling me to leave"
[16:19] <ikonia> I'll give him one more chance
[16:49] <ikonia> again ?
[16:51] <ikonia>  gee I wonder what this persons' politcal stance is bushblows
[16:51] <bazhang> hehe
[16:51] <bazhang> thought that myself
[17:23] <Pici> We may be seeing a reorgination of motu and core-dev, as well as a merging or splitting of their channels
[17:23] <Pici> reorganization rather
[17:24] <jdong> Pici:  I was hoping for a interdimensional rebirth.
[17:25] <Pici> jdong: Well, we're in a nearly 2 hour session right now to discuss just that
[17:25] <PriceChild> Pici: 'why'?
[17:25] <PriceChild> Pici: any hilights?
[17:25] <jdong> that's what... wait no that doesnt apply at all
[17:26] <Pici> PriceChild: People are unhappy with the MOTU process, the revu process, some people are unhappy with the distinction between core-dev and motu and what happens when things overlap.
[17:26] <Pici> Hobbsee was talking about how #u-motu is more of a #u-packaging channel
[17:26] <PriceChild> I thought revu was great when I went through it. But then I don't know what I'm talking about.
[17:26] <PriceChild> yep
[17:27] <PriceChild> is hobbsee there?
[17:27] <Pici> Yep
[17:30]  * jdong grins.
[17:53] <PriceChild> oi jdong
[18:30] <Seeker`> ello
[18:30] <Pici> Howdy
[18:30] <bazhang> hi
[18:30] <Seeker`> how be?
[18:32] <bazhang> ugh
[18:32] <bazhang> paddy in -ot
[18:34] <bazhang> aubade gets a long-ish ban but he runs wild.
[19:35] <Pici> Hm. I wasn't aware that #ubuntu-us-ca moved to #ubuntu-california
[19:36] <PriceChild> Pici: moved? since when?
[19:38] <Pici> PriceChild: Looks like Flannel set the 'go to #u-california' topic in #u-us-ca on March 15th
[19:43] <nalioth> bad Flannel  :|
[20:15] <LjL> err, come again?
[20:15] <LjL> i thought we had decided the *opposite* change...
[20:46] <Flannel> Pici: We didn't move to -california, we've always been -california
[20:46] <Flannel> We haven't moved to -us-ca yet
[20:48] <LjL> ah
[20:48] <Flannel> but I snagged it to prevent issues in the future, etc
[20:50] <Pici> I was under the impression that all the US states had moved their loco channels to #ubuntu-us-xx
[20:50] <LjL> Pici: you wish
[20:51] <nalioth> yes, someone is tardy
[20:51] <nalioth> when did that notice go out to the ML ?
[20:51] <Pici> A long time ago
[20:52] <Seeker`> in a galaxy far far away
[20:53] <Flannel> It was "decided" without any interaction with the states involved, among other issues.
[20:53] <Pici> Well, it does make sense.
[20:54] <Flannel> but, I don't want to get into theory right now
[20:54] <nalioth> the naming scheme solves lots of problems (both past and future)  for example:   #ubuntu-georgia
[20:54] <Flannel> Pici: The us teams *aren't* a subteam of -us though
[20:55] <nalioth> nobody says they are.
[20:55] <LjL> then that's another wrong thing, though not one the irc team has anything to do with
[20:55] <Seeker`> they *are* part of the us though
[20:55] <nalioth> the irc naming scheme is for IRC
[20:55] <Flannel> nalioth: the -us-XX implies that though
[20:55] <nalioth> not anywhere else
[20:55] <LjL> is freenode-connect going to send me many other VERSIONs still...?
[20:55] <Flannel> like I said, I don't want to get into it right now
[20:56] <LjL> i do
[20:56] <LjL> i want to create a team for Lombardy
[20:56] <LjL> can i make #ubuntu-lombardy?
[20:56]  * LjL blinks
[20:56] <Seeker`> lombardy?
[20:57] <LjL> Seeker`: of course, it's the region of italy where i live.
[20:58] <Seeker`> LjL: try #ubuntu-universe-milkyway-solarsystem-earth-europe-italy-lombardy-ljlshouse
[20:58] <Pici> :D
[20:58] <LjL> Seeker`: i fear that would hit freenode's channel name length limit.
[20:58] <Seeker`> oh wait, you aren't a subteam of universe, or milkyway, or solarsystem, or earth
[20:58] <Seeker`> etc.
[20:58] <Pici> The MOTUs may like that naming scheme too much
[20:59] <Seeker`> Pici: why?
[20:59] <LjL> i'm not a subteam of them?
[20:59] <Pici> Seeker`: 'Masters of The Universe'
[20:59] <LjL> so you mean i can just create a main team for Lombardy and get it official, while it remains unrelated from Italy's team?
[20:59] <LjL> wow, /me goes to do it!
[20:59] <Seeker`> just like #u-us-ca isn't a subteam of #u-us
[21:00] <Seeker`> so #ubuntu-california shouldn't have to use it
[21:00] <Flannel> Eh.  Like I said, there are other issues involved.
[21:00] <Flannel> But, whatever.
[21:00] <LjL> Seeker`: right. which is completely awkward and quite demeaning to all other countries, too.
[21:00] <Seeker`> LjL: agreed
[21:33] <Flannel> why on earth is mikem trolling me?
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> wasnt he booted earlier today
[21:34] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: Hes going off (in PM, now) about how Californias are the cause of Americas problems, because of Hollywood (and that the rest of the people in CA don't make an effort to stop Hollywood), and is now talking about gun control
[21:35] <Ace2016_> hello
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Oy
[21:35] <Flannel> Hi Ace2016_, How can we help you?
[21:35] <Ace2016_> is the simmons server having issues?
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> ljl just booted him'
[21:35] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: look, you aren't funny. not one did the rules APPLY during the netsplit on Calvino, but they do even more so now
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> for ot
[21:35] <LjL-Simmons> also
[21:35] <Ace2016_> :(
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> the fact that you THINK you're split in a certain instant doesn't necessarily mean that other servers actually don't SEE what you're saying
[21:36] <Ace2016_> is simmons the server you are using now?
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> so you could easily be disrupting the main channel anyway, even if you're "alone" on Calvino
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> yes it is
[21:36] <Ace2016_> wait they see what we're saying?
[21:36] <Ace2016_> why can't they respond to us?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: because it's split?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: then the servers start reconnecting, you may not see that immediately
[21:37] <Ace2016_> so if its split they see whats going on calvino but calvino users can't see whats going on the rest of the channels?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> no
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> when it's actually really split, nobody will see anything that the others say
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> but when it's rejoining (which can in some cases - like this - last a while), they can
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> and as a matter of fact, the trail of your "false #ubuntu" discussions *were* seen on other servers
[21:38] <Ace2016_> aww
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> now, a netsplit like this is annoying enough without more noise getting added to it, so please next time just carry on with ontopic business, ok?
[21:39] <Ace2016_> ok
[21:57] <phix> hey, can some one unban me please
[21:58] <LjL> phix: not until you explain to me why you flooded the channel
[21:58] <phix> or tell me how to get a 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio working under ubuntu 8.10
[21:59] <phix> LjL: it seemed appropriate at the time
[21:59] <Pici> When would flooding ever be appropriate?
[21:59] <phix> just frustrated trying to get this sound card working
[22:00] <LjL> phix: well, you're responsible for your actions. you denied service to the channel, now the channel denies service to you.
[22:00] <LjL> not to sound too biblical but.
[22:00] <phix> I didn't deny service
[22:00] <phix> I just repeated hi on 5 too many lines
[22:00] <LjL> phix: well yes you did, what you did is called a Denial of Service attack
[22:01] <phix> LjL: only if I was denying service, I stopped after 5 lines
[22:01] <LjL> phix: no, you *were* stopped after 5 lines, by our bots.
[22:02] <phix> I stopped after 5 lines, either way, I stopped
[22:02] <phix> any way, enough arguing
[22:03] <LjL> phix: indeed. you *were* stopped after *nine* lines, when i kicked you.
[22:03] <LjL> so this is pointless, you clearly flooded with a malicious intent
[22:03] <phix> was it nine?
[22:03] <LjL> have a good day, bye
[22:03] <phix> either way
[22:03] <phix> bye
[22:04] <phix> where do I file bug reports?
[22:04] <LjL> !bugs
[22:04] <phix> or is this out of scope here?
[22:05] <phix> thank you
[22:05] <Jack_Sparrow> hwilde is ban evading
[22:05] <phix> perhaps I should do that, or is that against the rules?
[22:05] <LjL> uuuh
[22:06] <phix> hmmm well it would get me back in the channel and one step closer togetting this sound card working
[22:06] <LjL> phix: against the rule. now if you have no other questions for us, please leave
[22:06] <phix> oh
[22:06] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: that's a pretty weird ban evasion by the way
[22:06] <phix> LjL: well when are you going to drop the ban?
[22:06] <Pici> Why was he banned?
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow> HOw so.. kinda busy atm
[22:06] <LjL> Pici: scroll up, happened a few minutes ago
[22:06] <LjL> phix: there's not a fixed duration for bans.
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Started with repeating, then continued in channel and then got insulting in channel and in proivate
[22:07] <phix> LjL: ok, BBL in an hour, that should be enough time
[22:07] <LjL> err, no, i don't think so
[22:07] <LjL> anyway, see you later
[22:07] <ikonia> LjL: thats not normal for hwlide
[22:07] <LjL> moment
[22:07] <LjL> discuss hwilde later
[22:08] <ikonia> sure
[22:08] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[22:08] <LjL> phix: as you can probably see, we've got something to discuss here, could you vacate the channel?
[22:08] <LjL> Ace2016_: you too, please
[22:09] <LjL> ok so
[22:09] <LjL> can someone explain this somehow
[22:09] <LjL> hwilde was banned by hostname
[22:09] <LjL> when he rejoined, he had the *same IP*
[22:10] <LjL> but the hostmask had the numeric IP instead of the hostname
[22:10] <LjL> (now he's evaded even more, probably being pissed at being accused of ban evasion to begin with *sigh*)
[22:10] <PriceChild> LjL: as in, he was on ip-isp.com, banned with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rejoined with @ip ?
[22:10] <LjL> PriceChild: correct
[22:10] <LjL> like reverse DNS didn't work
[22:11] <LjL> but now he's connected as hwilde and hwilde_, different IPs this time
[22:11] <PriceChild> LjL: I guess whatever server he connected to had troubles discovering the hostname. (there's a message about it when you connect)
[22:12] <Pici> Perhaps he just kept trying until he could get in
[22:12] <PriceChild> a ban on @ip-isp.com won't affect @ip, wheras the reverse should work.
[22:12] <LjL> hwilde: ok, let us try to make a reconstruction of events
[22:12] <PriceChild> that's if the hostname is true
[22:12] <hwilde> I am not evading any ban.  this is the same nick and IP i've always had
[22:13] <LjL> hwilde, look at this
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:09] <hwilde> Jack_Sparrow, you over reacted so chill out.
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:10] <IamGod> For the evil satan
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:12] <-> ChanServ> OP #ubuntu
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jack_Sparrow
[22:13] <hwilde> what is this the replay channel?
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:14] <-- hwilde has left this server ("Leaving").
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:14] *** Jack_Sparrow sets mode: +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:13] <LjL> hwilde: it's true that it's the same IP, but for some reason this time you are masked by IP (look at your own /whois) and not by hostname
[22:14] <hwilde> <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:14] <hwilde> ohh
[22:14] <hwilde> I see
[22:14] <PriceChild> Unfortunate.
[22:14] <LjL> hwilde: in any case, you can see that you were indeed banned
[22:14] <hwilde> I didn't protest that now did I
[22:14] <hwilde> I just said I wasn't evading the ban
[22:14] <hwilde> *intentionally
[22:14] <LjL> ok, given the strangeness about the hostname becoming an IP, i'm quite prepared to believe that
[22:15] <hwilde> thank you
[22:15] <LjL> so, let's forget about any ban evasion for the time being
[22:15]  * hwilde feels vindicated by the great ubuntu community
[22:15] <LjL> you still have a ban
[22:15] <hwilde> how many times are you going to point that out
[22:15] <LjL> if you want to discuss it with Jack_Sparrow now, or later, your choice
[22:15] <LjL> hwilde: i'm done, i just wanted to clear the confusion up.
[22:15] <hwilde> i'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident
[22:15] <hwilde> i'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident
[22:16] <hwilde> it's easy to hit the up arrow you know
[22:16] <hwilde> should like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> You obviously dont care about following our rules and coc.
[22:16] <hwilde> then doubly banning them for evading the ban
[22:16] <hwilde> the coc doesn't say to kick someone immediately for repeating one line
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Read the log, that isnt the case
[22:16] <hwilde> whatevs
[22:17] <hwilde> LjL told me to come here
[22:17] <LjL> hwilde: for that matter, it doesn't even say "when an op tells you to follow a rule, start swearing and claim you did it by mistake instead of just saying 'ok, sorry, was a mistake'"
[22:17] <Jack_Sparrow> And it was not istake, you have a habit of this
[22:17] <Jack_Sparrow> mistake
[22:18] <hwilde> how long have you been harboring this desire to ban me
[22:18] <hwilde> must feel good to get it in there now :)
[22:18] <hwilde> i'm glad I could help
[22:18] <hwilde> let's waste 5 minutes replaying the logfiles for everyone because I repeated a one line question twice
[22:18] <hwilde> that really flooded the channel
[22:19] <LjL> err, we're in the channel that's exactly for that sort of thing
[22:19] <LjL> it's not like we're replaying logs in #ubuntu
[22:19] <hwilde> there is a FloodBot tho
[22:19] <hwilde> so you don't really need to concern yourself with repeaters
[22:19] <hwilde> just let the bots sort it out
[22:19] <hwilde> it will save so much headaches for you
[22:20] <Flannel> hwilde: bots are no substitute for ops
[22:20] <LjL> that's not going to happen
[22:21] <hwilde> so what is it 24 hrs
[22:22] <hwilde> 7 days?
[22:23] <hwilde> a month?
[22:23] <LjL> hwilde, i don't know that, and i don't think there's a fixed duration, either (at least there isn't for the bans i set)
[22:23] <LjL> hwilde: but i'd like you to understand something, and i'm sorry if i have to replay stuff again in the process
[22:23] <LjL> you said
[22:23] <LjL> [23:16:00] <hwilde> it's easy to hit the up arrow you know
[22:23] <LjL> [23:16:12] <hwilde> should like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people
[22:23] <LjL> but look at things again
[22:24] <LjL> this is clearly not the reason why you were banned
[22:24] <hwilde> ok mr replay
[22:24] <hwilde> did I come here protesting a ban?
[22:24] <hwilde> no
[22:24] <hwilde> I said that I wasn't evading
[22:24] <hwilde> which is why you banned me
[22:24] <LjL> ok, then consider my own ban not set
[22:25]  * LjL shuts up
[22:25] <hwilde> how long are you going to drag this out or can we all just get over it now
[22:32]  * hwilde waits patiently demonstrating good behavior
[22:33] <hwilde> is there like an #ubuntu-exile channel where I can volunteer to help rehabilitate the other lost souls who have been banned
[22:33] <hwilde> and then maybe get a probationary license
[22:36] <LjL> what are you even waiting for? you don't want to discuss the ban, so as i said, i'm shutting up. it's true, i invited you here merely about the ban evasion thing, so i'm sorry if i then dragged you into unrelated topics. the ban evasion thing is now solved.
[22:36] <hwilde> i'm waiting for Jack_Sparrow to realize I am not a evildoer
[22:37] <Jack_Sparrow> No, not evil, just inconsiderate, rude and offensive
[22:37] <hwilde> you take this waay to seriously then
[22:37] <hwilde> I hit up arrow enter in the wrong window
[22:37] <hwilde> get over it.
[22:39] <hwilde> there is a lot to be said for tolerance
[22:39] <hwilde> and forgiveness
[22:39] <hwilde> especially in todays society with so much hatred and prejudice
[22:39] <hwilde> i'm surprised to see you hold onto this grudge so long
[22:39] <hwilde> and to hear that you have been harboring this resentment in silence for quite some time
[22:40] <hwilde> this is not a time for divisize politics
[22:40] <hwilde> we need to work together
[22:42] <hwilde> there are many different ways of resolving differences, even if people don't see eye to eye
[22:42] <hwilde> shutting down the border and putting up a fence and sign that says you are not welcome is not a step in the right direction
[22:42] <hwilde> that's not the change we need
[22:43] <LjL> may i speak?
[22:43]  * hwilde yields the podium
[22:43] <LjL> i just think this is running in circles
[22:43] <mneptok> i just got Cheet-O's dust on my clean toga
[22:43] <LjL> you hit enter in the wrong window
[22:44] <LjL> that's not a capital sin, that's for sure
[22:44] <hwilde> *up arrow
[22:44] <hwilde> then enter
[22:44] <LjL> yes
[22:44] <LjL> but what happened because of it?
[22:44] <LjL> what happened is that you were *warned* to not repeat
[22:44] <LjL> that's *all* that happened
[22:44] <LjL> you could have said "ok, sorry", or if you didn't believe you had a reason to be sorry, "it was a mistake"
[22:44] <LjL> instead you had to swear and argue
[22:44] <hwilde> I was frustrated because I could not find a way to find simple bandwidth usage
[22:45] <hwilde> then I found it and I could not get the repo
[22:45] <LjL> *that's* what led to the ban, not "hitting up arrow"
[22:45] <hwilde> and then and then and then
[22:45] <hwilde> and I did not swear
[22:46] <hwilde> if that's how you want to play it then fine
[22:46] <hwilde> if you wrapped up all the time and effort spent warning and banning and rebanning
[22:47] <hwilde> and then dragging it out here and replaying and rehashing
[22:47] <hwilde> and just answered questions
[22:47] <hwilde> there would be no repeats
[22:48] <hwilde> i had 1 person actually answer the question
[22:48] <hwilde> 5 warned for repeat
[22:48] <hwilde> and 2 banned
[22:49] <mneptok> hwilde: if we didn't have explain every nuance of everything we do, maybe we'd have more time for support. just sayin' ...
[22:49] <hwilde> i'm just sayin that is a 1:7 ratio of helping to flexing ops
[22:49] <hwilde> because I hit up arrow enter and I thought I was alt-tabbed back to my terminal
[22:49] <hwilde> wow I repeated one line twice
[22:49] <LjL> you're running around in circles yet again
[22:49] <hwilde> and I reiteratre, there are flodobots
[22:49] <hwilde> floodbots
[22:50] <hwilde> so you shouldn't really even concern yourself with flooding
[22:50] <hwilde> the bots will take care of it
[22:50] <LjL> my suggestion is you leave and come back in a day or so
[22:50] <LjL> i don't think you're reasoning very clearly right now
[22:50] <hwilde> it's just the ban is so easy to get around
[22:50] <hwilde> so it's largely symbolic
[22:50] <hwilde> I get it ok
[22:50] <hwilde> don't take the lord's name in vain
[22:51] <hwilde>  Ididn't realize #ubuntu was so religious
[22:51]  * mneptok awaits the Godwin
[22:51] <jrib> LjL: I get sarcastic right after teaching undergrads, not sure why...
[22:51] <LjL> jrib: ah...
[22:52] <LjL> hwilde: it's just that Jesus Christ, religion or not, has nothing at all to do with #ubuntu. just like, for instance, Hilter and the Nazi would have nothing to do with it.
[22:52] <LjL> mneptok: served.
[22:53] <hwilde> it's a figure of speech
[22:53] <hwilde> worst that should get is an !offtopic
[22:54] <hwilde> maybe !coc
[22:55] <jrib> alouthgh, I suppose it makes sense to avoid #ubuntu after such an activity
[22:55] <LjL> jrib: i think it's that in the (perhaps unlikely) case you find a group of students who all *completely* understand what you're saying, then they'll also understand the exact of positive of what you've taught them.
[22:55] <jrib> heh
[22:56] <LjL> jrib: on the other hand, just when you think you can show that your students have understood exactly the things you've taught them *and not wrong ones*, it turns out you've really just convinced them that 2+2=5
[22:57] <jrib> LjL: well my favorite answer today was when I asked for someone to take a guess at the number of different flushes one could have in poker and got "2"
[22:57] <jrib> (they had counted them before in the previous class)
[22:57] <hwilde> regular flush and straight flush ?
[22:57] <LjL> jrib: oh lord, you aren't teaching prob'n'stat are you
[22:58] <jrib> LjL: it's called "mathematical thinking", though I fail to see where any thinking is needed in the course.  It's basically discrete math for the student who does not want to take a math course
[22:59] <hwilde> do any of your students explicitly get to choose your course, or is it a mandated requirement ?
[22:59] <jrib> hwilde: they can all choose a more challenging course like calculus or linear algebra to satisfy the requirement
[23:00] <hwilde> so you are the lesser of three evils in a requirement from the system
[23:00] <jrib> yeah, I suppose.  There's another class where they basically write essays in math class.  About things like how they feel about taking derivatives I guess
[23:01] <hwilde> and how does the eigenvalue make you feel
[23:01] <LjL> jrib: why didn't you tell me? it took me two years to give discrete math
[23:01] <hwilde> the only part I didn't like about linear algebra was my teacher was from mexico
[23:02] <hwilde> and sometimes he didn't quite know the english word for the concept he was trying to explain
[23:02] <LjL> jrib: i couldn't take that other class because i don't really know how my CAS feels about taking derivatives
[23:02] <hwilde> and he would substitute the spanish word and then be like oh whatever you get what I mean
[23:03]  * LjL sees a weird parallel here
[23:03] <hwilde> no that's geometry :)
[23:04] <Flannel> linear algebra too.  <a,b> = 0
[23:07] <LjL> anyway, i lied, it didn't really take me two years to give discrete maths. it did to give calculus though
[23:07] <hwilde> you mean take ?
[23:07] <LjL> take, make, do, give, whatever is it that you do when you're a student and have exams
[23:08] <LjL> i haven't passed "Basic English verbs and their use cases"
[23:25] <hwilde> well I hope you have all enjoyed this little bit of excitement
[23:25] <hwilde> hopefully I have provided a break from your idling
[23:28] <hwilde> maybe one day you will have compassion enough in your heart to unban me
[23:28] <hwilde> just ask yourself, what would jesus do
[23:28] <mneptok> you want to be nailed to a tree?
[23:28] <hwilde> cmon that was funny :)
[23:31] <jpds> mneptok: Are uou at UDS?
[23:31] <jpds> you*
[23:31] <Pici> I was under the impression that he couldn't come.
[23:32] <mneptok> jpds: nope
[23:32] <jpds> Oh, right.
[23:32] <LjL> he's scared of people
[23:32] <mneptok> jpds: Etienne, David, and Marc are there from the Montreal office
[23:33] <jpds> mneptok: I think I met Etienne, not sure about the laters.
[23:33] <mneptok> LjL: i guess that whole "consider UDS/Prague to be a 'clothing optional' event" idea had some repercussions
[23:34] <LjL> mneptok: ooh yes, i can see how you'd have turned it down because of such suggestions.
[23:50] <Ximal> is it possible to get access to the ubuntu channel ? if not i won't complain as i understand ...
[23:52] <ikonia> so what's changed ?
[23:53] <Ximal> nothing  ... to my knowledge ..
[23:54] <ikonia> so why should I remove the ban then ?
[23:54] <Ximal> u don't have too...
[23:54] <ikonia> ok, no problem then
[23:54] <Ximal> i'm just requesting..
[23:54] <ikonia> I'm asking why I should remove the ban after your last rant
[23:55] <Ximal> well you really don't have to though i feel i was unfairly treated when dozens of people come in that channel and do far worse or flood the channel with the same question being asked by the first 10 people... that came before them..
[23:55] <ikonia> ok so your attitude still remains
[23:55] <ikonia> others did it - so it's ok for you
[23:55] <ikonia> so your correct, nothing has changed
[23:55] <Ximal> no...  it's not ok for me..
[23:56] <ikonia> so what was your point in your last statment ?
[23:57] <Ximal> i told u in private that i apologized to u for my actions...  i think u r instigating the matter further ... i didn't come in here because i wanted forgiveness or to be humiliated or forcibly humbled..
[23:57] <Ximal> though i feel i was treated unfairly it's not an attitude it's my opinion and i'm entitled to such..
[23:57] <ikonia> I've not seen a message from you
[23:57] <Ximal> i've sent u several
[23:57] <Ximal> and tried to talk to u in seaphor's channel
[23:58] <ikonia> I've got one from you
[23:58] <Ximal> yet nothing..
[23:58] <ikonia> you've come in this channel, and parted without saying a word
[23:58] <Ximal> if you put me on ignore after my rude pm to u i understand why you didn't receive anything
[23:58] <ikonia> I've not put you on ignore
[23:58] <ikonia> as I said I've got one message waiting that I've just seen
[23:58] <Ximal> here then let me test the pm... reply if u get it
[23:59] <LjL> Ximal, perhaps ikonia simply wasn't at the computer?
[23:59] <ikonia> yes I saw your test PM, as I said I've just seen the message you left for me earlier today


[12:03] <zyga> hello
[12:03] <zyga> anyone around ever used gramps?
[12:07] <sistpoty> gn8 all
[12:42] <yodabunny> hi
[12:42] <yodabunny> anyone know a good p2p program for Ubuntu?
[12:43] <slomo_> gn8 everybody
[12:44] <Trashcan> limewire
[12:44] <Trashcan> need to get the rpm and alien -d it
[12:44] <Trashcan> that's an #ubuntu-offtopic thing though
[12:44] <yodabunny> hmmm, sounds complicated, I'm a linux noob
[12:44] <yodabunny> sorry
[12:45] <yodabunny> I'll switch channels
[12:54] <hub> btorrent
[02:02] <\sh> siretart: ping
[02:02] <siretart> \sh: pong
[02:03] <siretart> \sh: are you upstairs? Im going there now
[03:40] <Kyral> hey all
[03:40] <farruinn> good evening
[03:41] <Kyral> sup farruinn
[03:44] <farruinn> mudding :)
[03:44] <Kyral> MUDs?
[03:44] <farruinn> yup: discworld.atuin.net
[03:45] <Kyral> I can't go near them, I don't wanna lose another year of my life to one
[05:18] <Kyral> Hmmm
[05:18] <Kyral> Beep Media Player is now called Audacious
[05:19] <seth_k> really
[05:19] <seth_k> sounds a lot like Audacity
[05:19] <seth_k> and they are both sound programs of a sort
[05:19] <seth_k> meh
[05:19] <Kyral> Yah, it got forked into it after the original people who made BMP stopped developing it in favor of BMPx
[05:19] <Kyral> look at the Beep site
[05:19] <seth_k> link?
[05:20] <seth_k> bah, this pbuilder create keeps dying at libreadline
[05:20] <Kyral> http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage
[05:20] <seth_k> thanks
[05:21] <seth_k> and bmpX is... gtk2 bmp?
[05:21] <Kyral> Its mroe like BMP without XMMS
[05:23] <farruinn> hmm... so it's more like... not beep
[06:55] <\sh> bla blabla bla blabla
[06:56] <farruinn> that was very profound
[06:56] <\sh> yeah it was..and it was quite honest
[06:59] <\sh> but forget what I said....
[06:59] <\sh> I'm just referering to siretart who is actually drunk *eg*
[07:00] <siretart> aha? intresting theory
[07:00] <\sh> not?
[07:00] <siretart> mainly very tired..
[07:00] <\sh> ah no...i'm the guy
[07:00] <siretart> ;)
[07:01] <\sh> again?
[07:05] <nailbiter> Kyral: They're forking Beep?  I just wrote an AAC plugin for Beep. :-P
[07:05] <\sh> beep is already forked....
[07:06] <\sh> the spoon is named "Burp"
[07:07] <farruinn> \sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;)
[07:07] <nailbiter> Sometimes, I just wish folks would consolidate all this prime developer manpower instead of splintering into zillions of instant messenger/window manager/linux distro/media player projects
[07:07] <\sh> farruinn: that is correct....
[07:08] <\sh> farruinn: we don't have a problem with alcohol...
[07:08] <\sh> but somehow without
[07:08] <farruinn> I can see :)
[07:08] <\sh> just joking....
[07:08] <\sh> i'm reading specs right now
[07:13] <\sh> stupid people don't know LTSP
[07:13] <\sh> but they know somehow HPC
[07:13] <\sh> hewlett packard computing
[07:13] <\sh> harhar
[07:21] <zakame> hi all
[07:37] <Lathiat> tseng: http://static.flickr.com/28/55632873_4c0eba44ec.jpg :)
[07:43] <whiprush> man
[07:43] <whiprush> are people getting drunk?
[07:43] <whiprush> should have gone to montreal!
[07:44] <\sh> whiprush: for sure
[07:45] <whiprush> give dholbach a nice big hug for me
[07:45] <\sh> dholbach slept at least 2 or 3 hours before us
[07:45] <whiprush> hahah
[07:46] <\sh> actually siretart tries to sleep...and me will do this as well...
[07:46] <whiprush> nite
[07:46] <\sh> good night guys
[09:49] <Tonio_> good morning all
[09:52] <slomo_> hi Tonio_
[10:04] <Tonio_> hi slomo ;)
[11:17] <zakame> hi all
[01:25] <\sh> moins
[01:29] <slomo_> hi \sh :)
[01:36] <slomo_> does someone know when the next TB meeting will be?
[01:58] <pef> slomo : in 2 weeks, like usual I guess
[02:12] <tseng> Lathiat: seen and enjoyed that one
[02:29] <zakame> lo all
[02:35] <Lathiat> tseng: :)
[02:38] <Kyral> Mornin' all
[02:38] <zakame> hi Kyral , Lathiat :)
[02:46] <Kyral> farruinn \sh: I can hear the voice of Jeff Waugh ringing through my ears: "ubuntu developers *DO NOT* have a drinking problem!" ;) <---I have half a mind to put that line as my Forums sig ;P
[02:47] <zakame> haha
[02:50] <Kyral> Did anyone get pics of Matt and umm, damnit forgot his name, doing the Badger Dance?
[02:51] <Kyral> hey ogra
[02:56] <zakame> wb ogra
[02:59] <ogra> morning
[03:14] <Kyral> cyaall later
[03:24] <pef> anyone alive ?
[03:24] <ajmitch> yep
[03:28] <pef> ah :]
[03:29] <pef> ajmitch: in a debian/menu file, pathnames (bin, icon) should be absolute ? (cannot find anything in debian-policy)
[03:29] <ajmitch> hm, we tend not to use debian/menu, and they should be relative in .desktop files
[03:31] <pef> ok, so I will leave it as it is :)
[03:33] <pef> ajmitch: I get promoted MOTU recently, how can I find if I'm able to upload to archive ?
[03:34] <ajmitch> you try& upload, depends if elmo has processed your key
[03:34] <pef> ok, thanks :)
[03:42] <ivoks> ajmitch: hi
[03:43] <ivoks> ann: http://www.ubuntu-hr.org/ningi
[03:46] <ajmitch> hello ivoks
[03:47] <ivoks> hi
[03:47] <ivoks> ajmitch: you are at UBZ?
[03:48] <zakame> ivoks: cool
[03:48] <ivoks> zakame: thanks
[03:49] <zakame> ivoks: I read it too at -devel, it's a great idea imho :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> ivoks: yep
[03:49] <ivoks> thanks guys
[03:50] <ivoks> we have a real problem with high cost of broadband connections
[03:50] <ivoks> and we feel we aren't alone
[03:50] <ivoks> so we decided to do something about that...
[03:51] <ivoks> i just hope we can use Ubuntu in projects name
[03:56] <zakame> ivoks: hehe same here in my locality
[04:00] <zakame> hmm, does anyone use arch-buildpackage in a pbuilder chroot? if so, how do I invoke it?
[04:03] <Yagisan> ivoks. ningi looks interesting. would the popcon data help ? http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
[04:03] <bigcx2> hey all
[04:03] <Yagisan> G'day bigcx2
[04:03] <bigcx2> can anyone tell me why plone-site (or one of its dependencies) conflicts xpdf???
[04:04] <shawarma> Hey.... What happened to user-mode-linux in Breezy?
[04:08] <tseng> i wonder if we will sync mysql 4.1
[04:10] <ivoks> sorry, i was out for a launch
[04:10] <ivoks> Yagisan: sure!
[04:12] <zakame> ah, libmemcache is now pdebuilt and lintian-clean :)
[04:12] <zakame> now, where's dput?
[04:13] <tseng> dput to revu
[04:14] <tseng> unless you are already in the keyring
[04:14] <zakame> I am, already pinged siretart :D
[04:14] <tseng> i meant the main keyring
[04:14] <tseng> but that too
[04:14] <zakame> just apt-get -y install dput in dapper-chroot
[04:18] <zakame> hmm, forgot to do a -S -sa -rfakeroot :(
[04:18] <siretart> huh?
[04:20] <zakame> siretart: I pm'd you about needing upload privs to revu yesterday :)
[04:30] <siretart> zakame: your key?
[04:30] <zakame> siretart: 0xFA53851D
[04:31] <zakame> siretart: I thought it was added already? :)
[04:33] <jsgotangco> hey tseng
[04:34] <tseng> hi jsgotangco
[04:34] <zakame> hey dholbach
[04:34] <tseng> bmonty: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/276
[04:34] <dholbach> re :)
[04:34] <tseng> bmonty: i use krb and ldap seperately, what is the idea of using them "together"?
[04:34] <tseng> yay dholbach
[04:34] <dholbach> hi tseng
[04:34] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[04:48] <slomo> crimsun: please read my latest mail on -devel about ffmpeg... i think, judging from matthew's and sam's comments it's best to leave it like it is (and move all ffmpeg stuff back to universe)... but we have to do something about faad2 beeing bundled with vlc imho
[04:52] <Lathiat> slomo: from what i read we can rip the plugin out and put it in multiverse?
[04:52] <zakame> gtg, night all
[04:52] <slomo> Lathiat: when it can be built separately... sure... would probably be the best then to built it against our faad2 as it contains many fixes
[04:53] <slomo> Lathiat: but i don't really now anything about vlc except what it is and that it contains the faad2 sources ;)
[04:53] <Lathiat> heh ok
[04:53] <slomo> gn8 Lathiat :)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> night Lathiat
[06:12] <mindwarp> .
[06:13] <slomo> hi mindwarp :)
[06:13] <mindwarp> hey hows it going
[06:13] <mindwarp> still no luck with elmo, I assume he is busy @ ubz
[06:14] <slomo> i'm ok... only i bit tired ;) and yes, he's really busy there... nm :)
[06:14] <slomo> do you have something new to upload? ;)
[06:14] <mindwarp> actually I may in a couple hours, going to eat some cerial, then I should have a new package
[06:15] <slomo> perfect :) an update to an already available package or something really new?
[06:16] <mindwarp> fixing a .desktop of another package on dapper
[06:16] <mindwarp> I could package something from scratch, but it would take a bit longer
[06:17] <mindwarp> Also my laptop is actually AMD64, I installed i386 on it because of my lack of understanding on chroots, so I may format it today and throw a 32bit chroot on there
[06:17] <mindwarp> so I can work on some AMD64 packages
[06:18] <slomo> what do you mean by amd64 packages?
[06:20] <mindwarp> I mean like compile them natively and test them without much effort
[06:22] <slomo> ah ok... hehe, then you could start to fix some of the packages that don't build on amd64 if there are any left ;)
[06:22] <mindwarp> ya thats what I was thinking
[06:22] <mindwarp> chex time
[06:54] <mindwarp> hey slomo, why is it in a packages install section, take abuse for example, the line will read: debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications
[06:54] <mindwarp> like how is the debian/abuse part parsed
[06:55] <slomo> install --mode=644 debian/abuse.desktop debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop
[06:55] <slomo> ^--- that line?
[06:55] <mindwarp> yeah
[06:56] <slomo> ok, what's exactly the question? ;) it's in the install rule for the package and called there... install copies the file from debian/abuse.desktop to debian/abuse/usr/share/applications/abuse.desktop with 644 permissions
[06:58] <mindwarp> I guess I thought that the desktop file should be in /usr/share/applications, and wasn't aware that debian/abuse/usr/share/applications existed?
[06:58] <slomo> debian/abuse is the directory from which the deb file is created... debian/abuse/usr will be /usr in the binary package
[06:59] <slomo> install works on real paths unlike dh_install
[07:00] <mindwarp> ok so is the format always debian/packagename?
[07:02] <slomo> in general... yes... but for packages with more than one binary package debian/tmp is used in general to hold all stuff... and afterwards everything is put into the corresponding debian/packagename
[07:03] <Amaranth> slomo: everything gets dumped into debian/tmp then moved into debian/packagename based on what debian/packagename.files contains?
[07:03] <slomo> or debian/packagename.install
[07:03] <slomo> but in general yes... but you're obviously free to use debian/foo instead of debian/tmp
[07:04] <slomo> really depends on the package
[07:05] <mindwarp> oh If I just use .install via dh_install I can just use the real path name without appending that?
[07:08] <slomo> try it ;) you can't break anything and you'll learn better by actually trying stuff :P for listing the package content you could use less foo.deb for example
[07:10] <mindwarp> gotcha
[07:13] <slomo> btw, dh_install is also the thing that interprets the .install files
[07:14] <tseng> that was annoying
[07:17] <slomo> huh? you mean from .files to .install?
[07:17] <tseng> it was a mixture
[07:18] <tseng> of both
[07:18] <tseng> we moved it all to just .install
[07:18] <slomo> yes that's definitly better ;) why was it a mixture anyway?
[07:18] <tseng> laziness
[07:50] <thesaltydog> siretart, ping?
[08:01] <slomo> crimsun: does our vlc have a libvlc.so somewhere?
[08:06] <thesaltydog> Who can remove a package from REVU?
[08:14] <slomo> crimsun: and i requested a move of ffmpeg (everything) back to universe at elmo... so everything will be fine ;)
[08:15] <Tonio_> re
[08:17] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ping?
[08:19] <\sh> LaserJock: ajmitch is at lunch
[08:19] <LaserJock> \sh: ok, well maybe you can help. Is there a plan for the next MOTU meeting?
[08:22] <\sh> is there no date on w.u.c/Calendar ?
[08:22] <\sh> oh no..
[08:22] <\sh> dunno actually...will try to find out later on from dholbach
[08:25] <LaserJock> \sh: I was also wondering if ajmitch was going to write of the minutes. I thought he was but if he is busy I could probably do it
[08:25] <\sh> LaserJock: ask him...i think he has right now some problems with his stolen laptop...
[08:26] <\sh> LaserJock: i think he'll appreciate your help
[08:59] <Tonio_> dholbach: I finally took a few minutes to make my wikipage
[08:59] <dholbach> cool
[08:59] <Tonio_> dholbach: what else is required for cc meeting ?
[09:00] <Tonio_> it still needs a little improvement, but well, it is done
[09:00] <dholbach> did you use launchpad  and the wiki to set yourself on the agenda?
[09:00] <Tonio_> nope
[09:00] <Tonio_> yes the agenda, that was the issue last time :)
[09:00] <dholbach> it's all explained on CommunityCouncilAgenda, isn't it?
[09:00] <Tonio_> I'm gonna check that
[09:01] <Tonio_> dholbach: I'm gonna search, don't mind ;)
[09:01] <Tonio_> I was just needing the global steps
[09:03] <LaserJock> dholbach: is there a date/time for the next MOTU meeting?
[09:03] <dholbach> is that something on wiki/MOTUMeeting?
[09:03] <Tonio_> dholbach: yep, I'd much appreciate the info ;) don't wanna miss three times :)
[09:03] <dholbach> yeah
[09:05] <LaserJock> dholbach: it is not on MOTUMeeting and I don't really remember it being discussed
[09:05] <dholbach> ok
[09:08] <LaserJock> looking at the irc log it looks like the next date/time was supposed to be posted on the channel topic
[09:30] <cevizoglu> does anyone know when breezy will have a firefox 1.5 package?
[09:32] <dereks_> anyone here have the 770?
[09:33] <slomo> does someone know if an upgrade from sarge to breezy works?
[09:33] <dholbach> slomo: not supported
[09:35] <slomo> dholbach: == not recommended but works in most cases? or not recommended and doesn't work?
[09:36] <dholbach> i upgraded from sid + experimental to pre-warty :)
[09:37] <Mithrandir> slomo: it should work quite well
[09:37] <crimsun> slomo: Hi. Do you propose that we should disable the faad plugin for vlc?
[09:37] <crimsun> cevizoglu: it won't.
[09:38] <slomo> ok, i'll test it this weekend on my vserver ;)
[09:40] <slomo> crimsun: i propose nothing ;) you know vlc better than me... can the faad2 stuff be splitted of and built separate as a different sourcepackage in universe? maybe against our faad2 in multiverse?
[09:40] <slomo> crimsun: at least something has to be done about it... seems to be strange when we have faad2 in multiverse and a package containing exactly the same stuff in universe
[09:43] <crimsun> slomo: yes, the faad2-built demuxer dynamic libraries can be packaged into a multiverse package
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: and in the case of faad2 it must be multiverse... you have to buy licenses for the patents at least when using it commercially
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: ok, then do it :) can it be built against the faad2 we have in multiverse?
[09:43] <slomo> crimsun: our's contains many bugfixes
[09:44] <crimsun> slomo: I'll try this weekend
[09:44] <slomo> thanks... and i'll try to "fix" transcode this weekend :)
[09:45] <slomo> btw, you mean multiverse sourcepackage, right?
[09:45] <crimsun> slomo: np. You'll probably just want to drop the dpatches I used for transcode
[09:46] <slomo> the patches that enable building against an external libavcodec?
[09:48] <crimsun> slomo: sorry, I'm thinking vlc. Don't mind that.
[09:48] <slomo> err... what patches do you mean?
[09:48] <slomo> hehe ok :)
[09:49] <slomo> crimsun: and you mean a multiverse _source_ package for the faad2 plugin, right?
[09:50] <crimsun> slomo: no, something like vlc-plugin-faad2
[09:50] <crimsun> slomo: I realize it's still messy because the source would still be included in vlc
[09:50] <slomo> crimsun: yes... and that way you can't use our faad2 in multiverse :/
[09:51] <slomo> anyway... better than nothing ;)
[09:53] <crimsun> slomo: we should just check with Sam about Debian including our faad2, then
[09:53] <seth_k> siretart, when you're around, can you change my login on REVU from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-><EMAIL_ADDRESS>(PGP keys are the same) thanks!
[09:54] <siretart> seth_k: no
[09:54] <siretart> seth_k: upload a package using that email adress in changelog. then such an account is created
[09:54] <siretart> I know, its a stupid limitation, but I'm working on it
[09:54] <slomo> crimsun: that will most probably never happen... iirc you need to buy licenses for patents when using it commercially
[09:54] <seth_k> siretart, I did upload a package using that e-mail, ok
[09:54] <seth_k> will do a password recovery thing then :)
[09:54] <seth_k> thanks
[09:55] <slomo> crimsun: the package is made by me btw ;)
[09:55] <seth_k> mm, siretart, I uploaded a package using that e-mail, but when I try to recover password, the gpg block is blank
[09:55] <crimsun> slomo: wait, is our faad2 any less free than marillat's?
[09:56] <slomo> crimsun: no, it's from the same sources (ok, our's is a cvs snapshot but anyway)
[09:58] <crimsun> mm messy
[09:58] <slomo> crimsun: the code itself is GPL but AAC is covered by patents... similar to xvid, lame, mad, etc...
[09:58] <crimsun> if vlc stays in universe, we wouldn't be able to build easily against libfaad2-dev
[10:00] <seth_k> let me know if you figure anything out siretart, thanks. I can't comment on any of my packages now tho :/
[10:01] <slomo> crimsun: yes that's the problem... hm, as dholbach suggested earlier today we definitly need a lawyer-team for such stuff...
[10:09] <leonel> hello
[10:11] <leonel> does the universe packages get updated as fast as  the packages from security  when a bug is found ?
[10:11] <leonel> can I use  universe packages on a Internet producction server ?
[10:12] <ivoks> i do
[10:13] <leonel> is it  safe ?
[10:14] <ivoks> there is no such thing as safe sex or safe programs :)
[10:15] <leonel> not funny
[10:15] <ivoks> which package are we talking about?
[10:16] <LaserJock> leonel: well, I guess it depends on your definition of "safe"
[10:16] <leonel> safe == " security patches applied as fast as  security.ubuntu "
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: it's not fast as debian, but we will get to that stage
[10:18] <azeem> LaserJock: no problem
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: as you can see, for security patches, manpower is needed
[10:18] <ivoks> leonel: and we lack (wo)men
[10:18] <dredg> and good security people are very very hard to find
[10:19] <ivoks> leonel: if it makes you feel any better, i use universe packages in production
[10:19] <leonel> so  on a critital production environment it's better not use  universe packages
[10:19] <ivoks> leonel: it is better to use main as much as possible, yes
[10:20] <ivoks> leonel: but, unfortunetly, some stuff isn't in main
[10:20] <leonel> ivoks, thanks  , that's my problem   i want packages that are on universe but I need to be sure they will get updated when a bug is found
[10:21] <leonel> thanks
[10:21] <LaserJock> azeem: do you think it is worth trying the ghemical CVS to see if the problem is fixed?
[10:21] <ivoks> leonel: we will create better security team for universe soon
[10:21] <ivoks> leonel: that wasn't possible with 10 people working on thousands of packages
[10:22] <azeem> LaserJock: CVS has shuffled around the mopac stuff quite a bit
[10:22] <ivoks> leonel: while ubuntu is getting popular, more people are coming in to contribute
[10:22] <ivoks> leonel: that will leave some space for better security team
[10:23] <leonel> ivoks, I know  and I'd like to have time to work with  ubuntu motu or any other place where I can be useful
[10:23] <LaserJock> azeem: yea, that's right. dang. it would be nice to have something functional. I almost think at this point 1.02 would be better/
[10:23] <ivoks> everyone is welcome allways
[10:46] <azeem> LaserJock: ok, I have reproduced it on Debian unstable
[10:47] <LaserJock> azeem: well, at least it's consistent ;(
[10:59] <azeem> LaserJock: looks like some skew between libghemical and ghemical, probably we have some conflicting CVS changes in either/both
[11:00] <LaserJock> azeem: OK, anything I can do to help?
[11:00] <azeem> I'm recompiling with debugging symbols and try to make something out of the backtrace
[11:01] <azeem> I can paste it somewhere once I have it, maybe you spot what's wrong
[11:02] <LaserJock> azeem: ha, not likely but if would be cool to see it
[11:16] <azeem> LaserJock: it tries to add a bond, and the second atom doesn't exist, obviously
[11:18] <LaserJock> azeem: is that for a single atom
[11:23] <azeem> LaserJock: yeah, it never calls Project:AddAtom, actually
[11:24] <azeem> but then, hrm.  One Atom struct /is/ there, only the second is NULL
[11:25] <azeem> too late, already sent the mail
[11:26] <LaserJock> well, what about adding a third atom?
[11:26] <LaserJock> is that the same issue?
[11:31] <azeem> how do you add two at once? :)
[11:31] <azeem> it crashes as soon as I add one
[11:36] <azeem> LaserJock: ok, I see. If you draw a bond by click-dragging, it works, if you release the mouse at the same position (i.e. just click), it segfaults
[11:36] <LaserJock> azeem: click and drag to create two atoms bonded together
[11:36] <azeem> doesn't matter which atom
[11:36] <azeem> heh
[11:36] <LaserJock> azeem: oh, too late ;-)
[11:46] <Kyral> Yanno I love having an Ubuntu mirror on campus
[11:47] <crimsun> mirrors.clarkson?
[11:48] <Kyral> bingo ;P
[11:48] <Kyral> well, mirror.clarkson.edu/pub/distributions
[11:55] <Kyral> Yanno building this Sid Pbuilder would be a lot faster if we had our Debian mirror up
[12:00] <\sh> slomo: ping


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[14:51] <faekjarz> How would i monitor the temperature of my Dell PERC H310 in 20.04 server - i'd like it integrated in the output of 'sensors'?
[14:54] <RoyK> install lm-sensors and run sensors-detect
[14:56] <faekjarz> i did - it's not showing up (should it?)
[15:28] <RoyK> faekjarz: don't know - linux isn't too good at this for common hardware
[15:36] <mybalzitch> faekjarz: you might have to use lsiutil
[15:38] <mybalzitch> and I'm not sure even lsiutil shows it
[15:39] <mybalzitch> megacli perhaps?
[15:44] <shubjero> or storcli
[15:44] <shubjero> i think megacli is deprecated in favour of storcli
[20:57] <faekjarz> Do Xeons (Broadwell E5-1650 V4) not have an "ondemand" pref governor? "performance" and "powersave" work just fine. (my Eypc-Rome can do ondemand)
[21:01] <sarnold> faekjarz: probably you're using the pstate governor now..
[21:01] <sarnold> faekjarz: on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling search for "The intel_pstate driver supports only two governors"
[21:08] <faekjarz> thanks sarnold …i've transplanted the OS (20.04) from Epyc to my new(more affordable) Xeon box - the installer automatism might've done a bit of auto-config for the Epyc platform, which is not applicable anymore
[21:14] <sarnold> faekjarz: it's possible, but I'm not sure where / what I would expect
[21:18] <faekjarz> sarnold: cpupower frequency-info confirms "driver: intel_pstate" - when my zfs scrub is done, i'll reboot into BIOS/UEFI setup and check a few settings
[21:18] <sarnold> faekjarz: what are you seeing that's making you look into it?
[21:24] <faekjarz> in "powersave" it does boost quite high, near max spec, and it saves ~25 watts doing it. (i'm not seeing anything in particular, no perf issues or such, just getting my home server upgrade finally set up - testing / checking out a few settings and tweaks.)
[21:50] <funabashi> Hi all , i wonder if there are any GUI for LDAP ?
[21:51] <Ussat> a GUI, on a server......for LDAP
[21:51] <Ussat> I dont think so
[21:55] <sdeziel> funabashi: it's not a GUI but a web frontend: phpldapadmin (I do not recommend but it exists)
[21:56] <funabashi> ok
[21:57] <Ussat> I REALLY reccomend you learn CLI and not rely n something like that
[21:58] <Ussat> because to install that youre gonna need to install a bunch other "crap"
[21:58] <Ussat> Just sayin
[21:59] <sdeziel> IIRC, that component can run on another machine that is not the LDAP server itself, it's marginally better ;)


[07:40] <marsjaninzmarsa> you are aware of fact that you have ERROR: Only GCC 4.9 or newer is supported (found version 4.6.3). in PPA, right?
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> marsjaninzmarsa, yes, we already have gcc backported. But it also requires rustc