[12:15] <__Chris> I have a machine that had Ubuntu and XP on it.  I had to reload XP, and now I don't get the GRUB menu?  Do I have to reload Ubuntu, or is there another easier fix?  Thanks
[12:15] <__Chris> Anyone here?
[12:15] <benjamin> on my computer its very slow, not useable, and the plugins dont work .. .
[12:15] <mantan> _chris, what were the XP installation settings?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> __Chris, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:16] <__Chris> Mantan - What do you mean?  It was on its own partition
[12:16] <mantan> well you might have wiped all the partitions
[12:16] <mantan> XP isn't exactly versatile with partitions
[12:17] <__Chris> Mantan - I don't think so, there were two UNKNOWNS when I did it.
[12:17] <greg_g> dr_willis: ok, I got that working (required an actual restart of the computer) thanks
[12:17] <jzilla> or you might have wiped your MBR with the reinstall of xp
[12:17] <ubuntu_> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.20-15-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3199 MHz (6399 bogomips), , RAM: 492/503MB, 125 proc's, 55.33min up
[12:17] <mantan> My copy forces me to wipe the whole drive
[12:17] <mantan> although it can leave space
[12:18] <greg_g> dr_willis: wonder if you can help me with something else related.  How does one change the screen resolution of kdm/gdm.  My resolution is set correctly in both gnome and kde, but when I boot or restart X, the login screen is set to a larger size and text is thus blury
[12:18] <mantan> in anycase alexey: I'm having problems trying to get my alsa driver
[12:18] <BluesKaj> __Chris, another suggestion ..if possible DL and burn Supergrub cd , or my fav which has a lot of options. Ultimate Boot Disc
[12:19] <greg_g> dr_willis: did you leave?
[12:19] <__Chris> Okay!  Thanks everyone!
[12:20] <mantan> in anycase I'm having problems trying to get my alsa driver
[12:20] <greg_g> well, if he is, could someone else look at my question above concerning resolution and gdm/kdm?
[12:20] <trakinas> back
[12:21] <Allysan> blechhh
[12:21] <ubuntu_> os[Linux 2.6.20-15-generic - Debian 4.0 - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )]  | up[59 minutes]  | cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz SMP (2 processors), 3199.893 MHz (12803.8 bogomips)]  |  | chipset[Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)]  | mem[497.15/503.17 MB (98.8%)]  | video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro]  at 1792x1344 (32 bits)]  | opengl[Mesa DRI R300 20060815
[12:21] <ubuntu_> AGP 1x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL powered by Tungsten Graphics, Inc. with driver 1.3 Mesa 6.5.2]  | xchat[Version: Client is not XChat!]  | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[12:22] <BluesKaj> !paste | ubuntu_,
[12:22] <ubotu> ubuntu_,: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <trakinas> yo: any sucess?
[12:23] <trakinas> does anyone knows about including another linux system into grub?
[12:25] <kal> hi
[12:25] <BluesKaj> trakinas, if grub sees the partition and  /boot/grub/menu.lst is not hiding the menu (hiddenmenu ) , yes .
[12:27] <icf7> trakinas: Have a look in /etc/grub/menu.lst . Search for "95/98/NT/2000" , below is an example for other Linux systems
[12:27] <BluesKaj> for some reason the grubmenu becomes hidden when grub is reinstalled after a windows install
[12:28] <BluesKaj> altho grub will automatically boot into kubuntu, after grub has been reinstalled
[12:29] <icf7> uncommenting hiddenmenu does not work?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> icf7, yes it does
[12:30] <BluesKaj> I had to do it , but it's a bug that I had to discover for myself
[12:31] <BluesKaj> didn't have that prob in edgy
[12:32] <BluesKaj> why would grub hide the menu by default ...i fail to understand the reasoning there
[12:36] <DocTrax___> the file /etc/lsb-release is not well formatted
[12:37] <trakinas> icf7: thanks!! :]
[12:38] <DocTrax___> it should contain one line like "Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty" or only 7.04
[12:39] <jordo23_> How do I install Gnome under Kubuntu without installing the meta packages that will switch it over to Ubuntu..??
[12:40] <dr_willis> you can always set the splash and other things back
[12:40] <dr_willis> thats all it really does is set the splash screen and gdm. and it asks about gdm.
[12:41] <asa> This is ___Chris, thanks guys!  I got it back!  Woo Hoo!
[12:43] <Dutchy> I was wondering if anyone could tell me in which package knotify resides? I installed amarok under gnome and i told a knotify window in amarok to do something and now everything i get a message box, amarok hangs
[12:44] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, gnome-desktop-environment ... or will that take over ?
[12:45] <jzilla> 32bit or 64bit
[12:46] <dr_willis> jzilla:  i see no need for most people - to use 64bit
[12:46] <dr_willis> BluesKaj:  i always install ubuntu , then kubuntu-desktop then xubuntu-desktop :)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> personally I went with 32 bit due to hardware recognition probs in 64
[12:47] <BluesKaj> xubuntu-desktop ?
[12:47] <ubuntu_> hello
[12:48] <dr_willis> !xubuntu
[12:48] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[12:48] <dr_willis> Howdy
[12:48] <ubuntu_> ok thanks
[12:49] <BluesKaj> ahh yes , Xfce ...tried that once ...for a short time :)
[12:49] <trakinas> !grub
[12:49] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:52] <ubuntu_> i french and i whant to intal mosila
[12:52] <BluesKaj> trakinas, is your pc autobooting into kubuntu now ?
[12:53] <ubuntu_> how ?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> !fr | ubuntu_
[12:53] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:53] <ubuntu_> thanks
[12:54] <BluesKaj> np
[12:54] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I saw someone talking about it the other day. Some program, Kolor something. Anyone?
[12:54] <K-Ryan> The equivalent of Paint for Linux
[12:54] <BluesKaj> KolourPaint
[12:54] <K-Ryan> Ah
[12:55] <dr_willis> I miss good old DeluxePaint
[12:55] <dr_willis> :)
[12:55] <K-Ryan> Oh it had the u, that's why it didn't work.
[12:55] <trakinas> K-Ryan: there is also tuxpaint
[12:55] <BluesKaj> it's in the kde pkg , K-Ryan
[12:55] <K-Ryan> I don't have it though BluesKaj
[12:55] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yes! britsh english.... coloUr
[12:55] <trakinas> =P
[12:55] <BluesKaj> just do the apt-get install
[12:55] <K-Ryan> I am BluesKaj
[12:55] <K-Ryan> trakinas: =P
[12:56] <pirateking_> hello?
[12:56] <K-Ryan> Hi pirateking_
[12:56] <trakinas> moin!
[12:56] <BluesKaj> we spell it -our here in canada
[12:56] <K-Ryan> The "u" is just fancy talk =P
[12:56] <pirateking_> this is Aramis Booker piratekings brother
[12:57] <BluesKaj> it's the original spelling
[12:57] <nick_> Hi Guys, just wondering if anyone can help. I'm a linux newbie trying to conect my toshiba external HD, but although it is recognised, I can't access it and it doesn't appear under storage media. It is unmounted. Any ideas welcome!
[12:57] <K-Ryan> The modern spelling is color, so stuff with the "u" is fancy, to me.
[12:57] <BluesKaj> zeee for zed...that's dutch/german...not english
[12:57] <K-Ryan> Anyways...
[12:58] <BluesKaj> hehe ....
[12:58] <K-Ryan> nick_: While I myself am not 100% with mounting there are plenty of people here who can help you with that so stick around.
[12:58] <nick_> thx very much
[12:58] <K-Ryan> Sorry =P
[12:59] <nick_> no worries mate
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Actually...
[12:59] <K-Ryan> !mount
[12:59] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yeah nick_, we need the heavy hitters in here for that one ...not an uncommon problem so somebody will know
[12:59] <K-Ryan> !diskmounter
[12:59] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[12:59] <K-Ryan> Try that link
[01:00] <nick_> thanks guys!
[01:00] <BluesKaj> not good for external drive probs K-Ryan
[01:00] <K-Ryan> Well it isn't a problem
[01:00] <K-Ryan> He just needs to mount it
[01:00] <K-Ryan> It's worth checking, no?
[01:01] <BluesKaj> it is til he  mounts it :)
[01:01] <fdoving> nick_: is guess it's ntfs?
[01:01] <K-Ryan> My external was fat32
[01:01] <BluesKaj> well, some ppl were confused by it
[01:01] <Grant> uh
[01:01] <nick_> hang on i'll try to check...I'm out of my depth already so please hold on
[01:02] <K-Ryan> What's up Grant?
[01:02] <BluesKaj> BBL
[01:02] <Grant> I reformatted my HD with linux to FAT32, but it's still NTFS
[01:02] <Grant> Windows says it's FAT32 as well
[01:02] <Grant> but fdisk -l lists it as NTFS
[01:03] <fdoving> Grant: that's only the partition type.
[01:03] <Grant> well than what's up with Windows?
[01:04] <fdoving> Grant: well, the filesystem can be fat32, even if the partition type i set to be ntfs.
[01:04] <fdoving> so windows might be right.
[01:04] <Grant> I reset the partion too...
[01:04] <Grant> using cfdisk or something
[01:04] <bordy240> what do I need to DL to get DVDs to work with kaffeine? I forgot
[01:05] <nick_> ok guys, sorry I have no idea whether it is ntfs or FAT 32. I think it's prob. best if I get my mate to take a look at it for me, as there is little doubt that I'll screw something major up and lose data or somthing..
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> !dvd
[01:05] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:06] <K-Ryan> For a 16 year old, I'm having too much fun with Tux Paint
[01:07] <Grant> how am I supposed to mount the hard drive in linux if I can't set it to FAT32?
[01:07] <K-Ryan> You can mount an NTFS
[01:07] <K-Ryan> You can even read/write it although writing is not recommended if I'm correct.
[01:07] <Grant> it's not listed as NTFS even though it is
[01:07] <Grant> or was
[01:08] <Grant> it says "SFS"
[01:08] <K-Ryan> SFS?
[01:08] <Grant> yea.... doesn't exist
[01:08] <Grant> must be some kind of bug
[01:08] <K-Ryan> You're going to want someone more experienced to help with that =P
[01:09] <Grant> ugh
[01:09] <trakinas> K-Ryan: hahahah! dude! When i worked at a school, we had classes for young kids (4 years old) and we used to use it with them... one day someone was talking to me while there wasnt any class and i was playing with it (to learn how to deal with it)..i most spent 1 hour... and said "just a sec!" a dozen times.
[01:09] <Grant> I should have formatted it with linux first, not windows
[01:09] <K-Ryan> You can still get rid of the partition and make a new one
[01:09] <trakinas> Grant: if you pretend using it on both system, format it with Fat32.
[01:10] <K-Ryan> trakinas: The stamps are amusing me
[01:10] <Grant> trakinas: it is FAT32
[01:10] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yes!! I made a comic with them! ut i completly forgot to send it to me. on the other day i made a visit to this school and there wasnt any files of mine there anymore. =(
[01:10] <trakinas> Grant: bizarre...
[01:11] <Grant> yep :P
[01:11] <K-Ryan> Alright well I've got dinner
[01:11] <K-Ryan> Be back later
[01:11] <trakinas> Grant: my mate had problems on *windows* with a fat32 partition. he lost a lot of files cause xp was saying it wasnt well formated (but it was...).
[01:11] <trakinas> me too.
[01:11] <trakinas> hehe
[01:11] <trakinas> brb
[01:12] <Grant> trakinas: well windows says it's formatted fine
[01:12] <Trixsey> I installed Ubuntu, and migrated from Gnome to KDE... Am I using Kubuntu right now or is it still Ubuntu? ^^
[01:12] <Grant> linux says otherwise though
[01:16] <Riddell> Trixsey: it depends on how you define Kubuntu.  it's not terribly important either way
[01:19] <Soul> hi is anybody there plz ?
[01:19] <dr_willis> Soul: Hmm>?
[01:20] <Soul> hi dr_willis
[01:20] <Soul> you speak english ore german =
[01:20] <Soul> ?
[01:20] <dr_willis> !de
[01:20] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:20] <icf7> Soul: This is the English channel, just ask a question. (Der deutsche Kanal ist #kubuntu-de)
[01:22] <Soul> thx
[01:31] <Minataku> dr_willis: Could you tell me exactly what model Mac that is? I wanna look up the data. :3
[01:33] <dr_willis> Minataku:  Hmm.. macse  i think. let me go look.
[01:34] <dr_willis> Macintosh SE model 5010 - 1 mb ram - it says on theback
[01:37] <dr_willis> cant pastwe the url i found on it
[01:38] <dr_willis> lowendmac.com/compact/se.shtml
[01:38] <dr_willis> there we go
[01:39] <BigMac> Anyway to show off those markers that show tabs in kate?
[01:41] <manolo> ciao a tutti!!!
[01:41] <Minataku> dr_willis: Coo, thanks
[01:41] <Minataku> (Sorry, was racing again X3 )
[01:41] <Narada> i'm getting this: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory; any idea?
[01:41] <manolo> hi
[01:41] <Minataku> !it | manolo
[01:41] <ubotu> manolo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:41] <Minataku> :3
[01:41] <manolo> grazie mille
[01:43] <Minataku> manolo: You're very welcome. :)
[01:43] <Minataku> dr_willis: Eh... scrap the SE, just send me the external HDD. :3
[01:43] <Minataku> Save me some shipping cost by leaving out a rather unusable Mac
[01:44] <Minataku> My Mac Classic is far more capable than the SE with 4x the RAM
[01:44] <Minataku> I'll probably argue with myself over leaving it, though
[01:44] <Minataku> Well, dr_willis, can you verify if that has 1.44MB drives? Was it made in or after 1989?
[01:45] <Minataku> No, nvm
[01:45] <Minataku> It's got 800KB ones
[01:46] <dr_willis> 800k
[01:46] <dr_willis> se just looks cool.
[01:46] <dr_willis> :)
[01:46] <Minataku> Heehee
[01:46] <Minataku> Well, keep it for now
[01:47] <Minataku> I'll continue thinking up to the last minute XD
[01:47] <dr_willis> Additionally the SE had a special PDS slot that allowed for expansion cards, such as accelerators, to be installed.
[01:47] <Minataku> Yeah
[01:47] <Minataku> Good luck ever finding one, of course
[01:48] <dr_willis> http://myoldmac.net/webse-e-flash.htm
[01:48] <dr_willis> macse emulator in flash! :)
[01:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Haha
[01:50] <Narada> how do you get real player support in firefox in ubuntu
[01:51] <BigMac> Hey, anyone here know how to get rid of the tab markers in KATE?
[01:55] <hydh> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/listen.pls
[01:57] <dr_willis> Minataku:  ya need to make a MacSE theme for KDE. :)
[01:58] <jordo23_> If I have a file that won't empty from my trash, how do I delete this from a command line? Does the trash map to a specific directory?
[01:59] <dr_willis> .Trash
[01:59] <dr_willis> i think
[01:59] <Toyd> freenode staffers trying to limit our freedom come to  #macosx-gay  and support us please
[01:59] <K-Ryan> o.O
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> Huh?
[02:02] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee
[02:02] <Minataku> Toyd: Go troll someplace else
[02:02] <Toyd> lol
[02:03] <Dragnslcr> Come now, he might not be a troll
[02:03] <Dragnslcr> He might just be on crack
[02:04] <Minataku> Eh, trolling is trolling no matter why it's being done
[02:04] <K-Ryan> Don't bother going there, what was going on is over.
[02:04] <K-Ryan> I checked =P
[02:04] <Minataku> Be it drug-induced, lost a bet or just an ass
[02:04] <K-Ryan> !troll
[02:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about troll - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:04] <K-Ryan> !trolling
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trolling - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <K-Ryan> Wow
[02:05] <Minataku> !gotohell
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gotohell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <Minataku> Aw
[02:05] <Minataku> X3
[02:05] <K-Ryan> !tuxpaint
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tuxpaint - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <K-Ryan> I could of sworn ubotu had entries for all the packages or something.
[02:05] <Dragnslcr> !info tuxpaint
[02:06] <ubotu> tuxpaint: A paint program for young children. In component main, is optional.  I have my gentoo on my other partition and i really didnt understand how to add it on grub
[02:15] <K-Ryan> !gentoo
[02:15] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[02:16] <K-Ryan> !GRUB
[02:16] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Try the second link
[02:16] <trakinas> i already read those
[02:16] <dr_willis> edit the menu.lst and put inthe proper 'stanza'
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Oh
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Google =P
[02:16] <K-Ryan> Until you get an answer in here anyway
[02:17] <trakinas> hehe! okay
[02:18] <Minataku> Auto racing protip: Do not attempt to pass someone by going through their vehicle
[02:18] <Minataku> Through some lapse in proper thinking, I draft to go for a pass, next thing I know I've clobbered the rear end of the poor sod in front of me
[02:18] <dr_willis> isent that bumpdrafting
[02:18] <K-Ryan> Heheh, gaming
[02:18] <Minataku> dr_willis: Not when you smash the hell out of both cars
[02:19] <Minataku> XD
[02:19] <dr_willis> thats called "enterainment'
[02:19] <dr_willis> Entertainment
[02:19] <Minataku> I got hit with CR7500 in repairs XD
[02:19] <dr_willis> "A normal day of the wifes driving"
[02:19] <Minataku> Haha
[02:19] <strabes> is there a way to make firefox integrate better with KDE? Mainly file dialogs, etc
[02:19] <isthisnickvalid_> Anyone here with experience about LT martian driver?
[02:23] <trakinas> http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetah/160419788/
[02:24] <RawSewage> strabes, whats wrong with them
[02:24] <MinceR> that bag is hideous
[02:24] <trakinas> oooooooooops
[02:24] <trakinas> wrong window
[02:24] <dr_willis> :)
[02:24] <dr_willis> sure it was.............
[02:24] <trakinas> MinceR: hahah
[02:24] <trakinas> it is a gift to a female friend of mine
[02:24] <MinceR> :)
[02:25] <trakinas> i have to pay more attention in which window the mouse is focoused...
[02:26] <K-Ryan> trakinas: Shopping for new stuff eh? =)
[02:26] <K-Ryan> What's your old one look like =P
[02:27] <isthisnickvalid_> How can I make my modem driver start in an automatic way and then make a permanent link to /dev/modem ?
[02:27] <trakinas> K-Ryan: it was pantern pattern... ;]
[02:27] <trakinas> jk
[02:27] <K-Ryan> =P
[02:28] <trakinas> is a gift for a friend. she like polkadot things.
[02:28] <K-Ryan> Yeah...
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I was playing around with Tux Paint some more
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I like the "magic" stuff
[02:28] <trakinas> K-Ryan: hahahahaah!
[02:28] <K-Ryan> I did some crude anti-aliasing
[02:28] <jontec>  k3b doesn't appear to take into account the fact that only 2 hours of playback are available for my video DVD. It only sees that its capacity is 4.3GB and sees my video filesizes (not length)
[02:28] <K-Ryan> block+blur
[02:29] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yep! you can make cool stuffs with TuxPaint
[02:29] <trakinas> I suggest a TuxPaint contest.
[02:29] <RawSewage> how would I unrar 100 rars in a folder, each to their own folder
[02:29] <RawSewage> with command line
[02:29] <trakinas> an Official #kubuntu tuxpaint contexst
[02:30] <trakinas> *contest
[02:30] <trakinas> RawSewage: you can use shell script;
[02:30] <trakinas> or "unrar d *.rar"
[02:30] <RawSewage> oh
[02:30] <RawSewage> I'll try that. ty
[02:30] <trakinas> if this is the line for unrar in its folder.
[02:30] <trakinas> np! :]
[02:31] <RawSewage> there is no d command
[02:32] <trakinas> RawSewage: unrar --help
[02:32] <RawSewage> trakinas, I'd already tried it if d meant directory name
[02:32] <trakinas> RawSewage: try x.
[02:33] <RawSewage> trakinas, ok, but youre probably right.  I'll need to do shell scripting, which I have no clue how to do
[02:33] <K-Ryan> shell scripting would just make the command into something you open
[02:34] <K-Ryan> you would still type the command to unrar each individual folder
[02:34] <K-Ryan> except it would be one action
[02:34] <trakinas> RawSewage: try unrar x *.rar
[02:34] <RawSewage> ok
[02:34] <RawSewage> no
[02:34] <trakinas> RawSewage: really?
[02:34] <trakinas> let me test here
[02:35] <RawSewage> the command to extra a rar to a directory is  unrar e -ad name.rar
[02:35] <RawSewage> trakinas, I'll try again
[02:35] <RawSewage> no
[02:35] <azzco> Hi does anyone know the program kalgebra, or how to get help with it?
[02:36] <trakinas> i have only 1 rar here.. heheheh
[02:36] <RawSewage> oh well
[02:36] <RawSewage> I thought there would be an easy command I didnt know about
[02:36] <RawSewage> I guess not
[02:36] <trakinas> RawSewage: i really never needed to unrar more then 1 file per time.
[02:37] <RawSewage> ok
[02:37] <trakinas> unrar x *.rar should work, on my concept
[02:37] <dr_willis> some of the arvhiver tools take wildcards internally for example
[02:37] <dr_willis> unzip "*.zip" will work.. but unzip *.zip wont
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Hey if I were to take a Kubuntu LiveCD to my school
[02:37] <home_> can n e 1 tell me how to install a java runtime download
[02:37] <dr_willis> or was it single quotes.
[02:37] <dr_willis> !java
[02:37] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:37] <K-Ryan> And pop it in one of their computers, would I have trouble downloading from the repos?
[02:37] <azzco> K-Ryan: Don't think so
[02:38] <K-Ryan> With all the proxy nonsense
[02:38] <dr_willis> home_:  use the package manager to isntall it. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[02:38] <K-Ryan> "This site is blocked, that site is blocked"
[02:38] <K-Ryan> We're talking highschool, not a college campus
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> I think the DVD has a lot of the repository files
[02:39] <K-Ryan> CD, not DVD
[02:39] <RawSewage> trakinas, I found this:   for x in *.rar; do mkdir "${x%.rar}" && cd "${x%.rar}" && unrar x "../$x" && cd ..; done     I'll see if that works
[02:39] <trakinas> home_: install via apt-get
[02:40] <dr_willis> dvd has a lot of deb's thats not installed by default also I think
[02:40] <K-Ryan> It's the CD though...
[02:40] <obiwan_> well done
[02:40] <RawSewage> trakinas, ok that worked
[02:41] <trakinas> K-Ryan: well... some people on my college put they computer running a proxy server and connects on it through foxproxy.
[02:41] <trakinas> RawSewage: :] ]
[02:41] <K-Ryan> My school has the get-around-your-proxy sites blocked
[02:42] <trakinas> K-Ryan: you mean... "no way you can use foxproxy, smart boy!"
[02:42] <LjL> azzco: i've used it once or twice, what's the problem with it?
[02:42] <trakinas> my college has every proxy possible blocked. in fact, anything called proxy.
[02:43] <K-Ryan> What?
[02:43] <trakinas> i have to ask a friend to download foxproxy to me and send it to my email, so i could install it.
[02:43] <trakinas> ok. it didnt work..
[02:43] <trakinas> K-Ryan: what what?
[02:43] <K-Ryan> Never mind
[02:43] <azzco> LjL: I'm trying to us a Sin^(-1) function
[02:43] <K-Ryan> To change a decimal to an angle?
[02:43] <dr_willis> Time for TheOnionRouter. :)
[02:44] <K-Ryan> I'd help you out but my Ti-84 isn't handy
[02:44] <azzco> K-Ryan: Yeah
[02:44] <LjL> azzco: you mean arcsin?
[02:44] <K-Ryan> LjL: It's not taught that way anymore
[02:44] <K-Ryan> Since there's a calculator function for it
[02:44] <azzco> OH... guess so.
[02:44] <K-Ryan> I'm pretty sure that's what arcsin is
[02:45] <dr_willis> !arcsine
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arcsine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <azzco> Okay I'll try and see if it matches my TI-83
[02:45] <K-Ryan> I never learned that
[02:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: uhm, actually i personally think sin^-1 is a terrible notation, since sin^(exponent) is also used for actual exponents. anyway, kalgebra uses it.
[02:45] <LjL> azzco: anyway, the function is arcsin(n)
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Yeah I know what you mean
[02:45] <dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctangent
[02:45] <azzco> Thanks :)
[02:45] <K-Ryan> But with the "scientifc calculator required" it's just known that way
[02:46] <LjL> azzco: while you're at it, give the package qalculate-kde a try.
[02:46] <trakinas> anyone? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118276
[02:47] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends on place school etc. here i can't use any sort of calculator at my maths exam, for starters. besides, when you read out the function name, what would you call it? sin-minus-one?
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Well because you need to press the 2nd button then sin button
[02:47] <azzco> Lol We say "second sin"
[02:47] <K-Ryan> It's called "2nd-sin"
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[02:47] <LjL> scary
[02:47] <azzco> hehe
[02:48] <azzco> Well arcsin definitly helped a bit I think that I made a typo but it looks quite like the graph on my calc :)
[02:49] <trakinas> I was never able to use cientific calculators or any tool able to calculate trigonometric functions in ay sort of test.
[02:49] <K-Ryan> You were given the chart?
[02:49] <dr_willis> LjL:  that wiki page discusses that ^-1 causes confuseion.
[02:49] <RawSewage> how do I make a shell command that renames 800 folders to the name found on the first line of info.txt, which is in each folder
[02:49] <trakinas> K-Ryan: yep. but only for the more akward ones.
[02:49] <dr_willis> RawSewage:  i think a perl script may be the route to go.
[02:50] <RawSewage> can php do it
[02:50] <dr_willis> php probelry can
[02:50] <RawSewage> ok ty
[02:50] <dr_willis> asn could perl, rexx, python
[02:50] <RawSewage> damn
[02:50] <RawSewage> I only know php
[02:50] <RawSewage> do I have PERL already
[02:50] <dr_willis> never used php. Iimagine any of the scripting languages can do it fairly easially however.
[02:50] <RawSewage> and PYTHON
[02:51] <RawSewage> ok
[02:51] <RawSewage> I'll check php.net
[02:51] <dr_willis> I am old-skool - i tend to write scripts that generate scripts. :)
[02:51] <trakinas> i would go for python... =P
[02:51] <dr_willis> since ages ago we dident have the power today
[02:51] <trakinas> dr_willis: plz, dont tell me you are one of those folks who KNOWS assemble!
[02:51] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(tail -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:52] <RawSewage> LjL, oh thx
[02:52] <LjL> try it on a test dir first.
[02:52] <RawSewage> ok
[02:53] <RawSewage> syntax error near unexpected token `if'
[02:53] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(tail -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:53] <LjL> oh also
[02:53] <LjL> you said *first* line of info.txt. that takes the last line.
[02:53] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" $(head -1 "${folder}/info.txt"); fi; done
[02:53] <RawSewage> ok
[02:54] <yatin> hello i have a question about knetworkmanager
[02:54] <yatin> when i startup, knetwork manager starts up, but it does not automatically connect to my wired connection
[02:54] <yatin> i'm not sure how to make it automatically connect
[02:54] <Minataku> ASM is easy
[02:54] <Minataku> I know it for PIC16
[02:54] <trakinas> yatin: adsl? router?
[02:55] <Minataku> And once you know ASM for one core, you know it for them all
[02:55] <yatin> trakinas: i ahve a wireless router and a cable modem but my computer is connected by a wired connection
[02:55] <trakinas> i know only a few things of python and php... a FEW.
[02:55] <RawSewage> LjL, mv: target `Saga\r' is not a directory    getting closer though.  it didnt make any directors, and it's cutting off names that have spaces
[02:56] <trakinas> yatin: hmmm... if it was dsl, i could help, but never used cable modem. so, i cant help you. :/
[02:56] <yatin> trakinas: what did you do for your dsl router
[02:56] <LjL> RawSewage: for folder in *; do if [ -d "$folder" ] ; then mv "$folder" "$(head -1 "${folder}/info.txt")"; fi; done
[02:56] <yatin> trakinas: i thik this is a knetworkmanager issue b/c my computer autoconnected just fine when i was in kubuntu 6.10
[02:56] <trakinas> yatin: just configured the correct broadcast, ip and gateway for my pc. nothing else.
[02:56] <RawSewage> LjL, cool . that worked.  thanks \
[02:57] <trakinas> yatin: can you remember how it was configured?
[02:57] <ahmed>  guys,, is there is a way to be able to have a video background in ubunty ?
[02:57] <Kr4t05> Is there any good CD backup tool besides K3b?
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: oh i think my problem is a little different, i can connect, but it doesn't autoconnect on startup.
[02:57] <Kr4t05> One that makes ISO images relatively well?
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: as in i can click on the knetworkmanager icon and choose "wired network"
[02:57] <trakinas> Kr4t05: mkisofs
[02:57] <yatin> trakinas: and it'll connect just fine
[02:57] <ahmed>  guys,, is there is a way to be able to have a video background in ubuntU ?
[02:58] <yatin> trakinas: i want it to do that automatically
[02:58] <yatin> trakinas: were you having the same problem?
[02:58] <trakinas> yatin: nops!
[02:58] <Kr4t05> trakinas: Is that gnome or KDE?
[02:58] <trakinas> Kr4t05: command line! :x
[02:58] <Kr4t05> Eh...
[02:58] <trakinas> yatin: maybe you just have to add it to your boot time.
[02:59] <just-this-time> !mythtv
[02:59] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[02:59] <trakinas> Kr4t05: it is really easy to use it anyway.
[02:59] <yatin> trakinas: any ideas how to do that?
[02:59] <trakinas> !mkisofs
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkisofs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <trakinas> !iso
[02:59] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:59] <trakinas> yatin: I know on gentoo... let me think about kubuntu.
[03:00] <trakinas> Kr4t05: http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/mkisofs8.html
[03:01] <Minataku> A commandline on one distro is the same as another
[03:01] <Minataku> Unless the two tools are insanely different
[03:01] <Minataku> Which they usually aren't
[03:01] <Minataku> In the case of mkisofs, what works on Gentoo will also work fine on Kubuntu
[03:02] <trakinas> Minataku: i was talking about adding network to the boot..
[03:02] <Minataku> Oh
[03:02] <Minataku> Sorry >.<
[03:02] <trakinas> Minataku: np! :P
[03:04] <ahmed> guys how to have video || animated background in ubuntu .... also how to have a panel on the desktop like this one of mac osx ??
[03:04] <trakinas> yatin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193930
[03:04] <trakinas> it maybe helps you
[03:05] <trakinas> ahmed: for the painel, if you arent using beryl, you can try adesklet.
[03:05] <trakinas> you install it and them the correspondent desklet for the painel.
[03:05] <ahmed> i use beryl but it has no panel thingie
[03:06] <trakinas> ahmed: never used it.
[03:06] <trakinas> ahmed: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/ here you can get the desklets. adesklet can be installed through apt-get or your favorite package manager.
[03:13] <khaije1> !kde4
[03:13] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[03:14] <linija2> NEED HELP: Installed kde-base. CDrom/USB mounts fine but no icon or "safely remove / eject" options. Which package is missing?
[03:14] <trakinas> !desklets
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desklets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <trakinas> !desklet
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desklet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <trakinas> !screenlets
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlets - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Hey, I keep forgetting, what's the difference between kdesu and sudo?
[03:15] <trakinas> linija2: you mean, when you left click there's no "umount" option?
[03:15] <trakinas> K-Ryan: kdesu is udes for UI apps.
[03:15] <linija2> right
[03:15] <trakinas> *GUI
[03:16] <linija2> or in konqueror... no "eject" option
[03:16] <trakinas> linija2: strange... oO
[03:16] <trakinas> you know you still can umount in the cmd line, dont you?
[03:17] <linija2> yes... but I installed just base system...
[03:17] <linija2> trying to keep small and install only what I need
[03:18] <trakinas> linija2: smart boy!
[03:18] <trakinas> but if it auto-mount, it should auto-umount.
[03:18] <linija2> Iknow "umount"... can I "eject" in command line
[03:18] <trakinas> linija2: sure! "eject device"
[03:18] <linija2> let me try
[03:19] <linija2> it says "unable to open /dev/hdc
[03:20] <linija2> YESSSSSSSSSSS.... TRAKINAS IS DA MAN
[03:20] <K-Ryan> trakinas: sudo = terminal stuff?
[03:20] <linija2> thnk u trakinas
[03:21] <trakinas> K-Ryan: text based actions
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Yeah that's what I thought
[03:21] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know how to setup a printer so that a VMWare guest can access it as a network printer?
[03:21] <K-Ryan> The other day someone told me they sudo opened an app though
[03:21] <K-Ryan> No matter
[03:22] <trakinas> K-Ryan: is juts not recommended...
[03:22] <K-Ryan> Oh
[03:22] <K-Ryan> That makes sense =)
[03:22] <RawSewage> there is a difference, but I forgot what it was
[03:22] <RawSewage> oh yeah
[03:22] <RawSewage> with kdesu, you dont get that error message
[03:23] <phishinphree> how would one go about turning off mDNS in kubuntu?  Its causing ~5 second network delays on my machine
[03:23] <RawSewage> are you on Feisty
[03:23] <phishinphree> 7.0<whatever>
[03:24] <RawSewage> thats Feisty
[03:24] <phishinphree> the names get to me with a new one twice a year and all
[03:24] <Grant> how do I completely erase and reformat/partition a hard drive on linux? everytime I try the file system doesn't change
[03:25] <phishinphree> but yeah, im on feisty
[03:25] <RawSewage> I dont know
[03:25] <phishinphree> !mdns
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <trakinas> !fdisk
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <phishinphree> worth a shot
[03:25] <Minataku> Grant: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device> bs=512
[03:25] <Minataku> WARNING
[03:25] <RawSewage> I thought you meant web pages take 5 seconds to load
[03:25] <RawSewage> that sounded like IPV6
[03:25] <Minataku> That WILL destroy ALL DATA on the device
[03:26] <RawSewage> but thats not what youre talking about
[03:26] <phishinphree> already disabled ipv6
[03:26] <Grant> yea I know
[03:26] <Minataku> Grant: Just a disclaimer
[03:26] <Grant> kk
[03:26] <phishinphree> its only incomming connections.  i've got a nice packet dump showing the problem
[03:26] <Minataku> Let it run and it should finish with an error "No space left on device"
[03:26] <trakinas> oh boy... kubuntu hates my dvd device. =(
[03:26] <Minataku> That's normal and what should happen
[03:26] <Minataku> It means dd hit the end of the drive and it's completely erased (insecure erase method "zerofill")
[03:27] <Grant> so <device> would be /dev/sda1 in my case
[03:27] <Grant> right?
[03:27] <Minataku> That would erase only the first partition
[03:27] <Grant> oh
[03:27] <Grant> ugh
[03:27] <Minataku> Do you want to erase just one partition or the entire drive?
[03:27] <Grant> whole thing
[03:27] <Minataku> For the entire drive, use /dev/sda
[03:27] <RawSewage> phishinphree, theres no need to disable IPV6 in Feisty, btw
[03:27] <Grant> ok
[03:27] <RawSewage> phishinphree, not with a fresh install
[03:27] <phishinphree> when i connect to apache, my server does a reverse mDNS lookup for the ip address I connect from.  it tries 3 times, gets no response then serves up the page.. 5 seconds after it wasted time
[03:27] <dr_willis> dont make a typo :)
[03:27] <Minataku> Yeah, be careful
[03:28] <phishinphree> RawSewage: its good, im not needing it anyway.  it was worth a try but i've narrowed the problem down from there
[03:28] <trakinas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118276
[03:29] <phishinphree> its amazing how quickly you can find things out when you start grabbing packets
[03:29] <Grant> then can I use cfdisk to repartition and format the drive?
[03:29] <RawSewage> phishinphree, maybe some info here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=21428323
[03:29] <rkitecsure> does the Fiesty installer install GRUB to the partition mounted as /boot when you do manual partitioning?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> RawSewage, i disabled ipv6 and pages render a lot faster now
[03:30] <trakinas> rkitecsure: guess so.
[03:30] <dr_willis> Grant:  you proberly could of done that befor the dd/zeroing. unles the drive was really messed up
[03:30] <RawSewage> BluesKaj, in Feisty?
[03:30] <Grant> dr_willis: it was messed up to linux, although windows read it fine
[03:30] <RawSewage> BluesKaj, I had to disable IPV6 in all versions except Feisty
[03:30] <dr_willis> Grant:  odd..
[03:31] <just-this-time> on mythTV what is "lirc-supported remote control to use with this frontend."
[03:31] <Grant> wow this is going to take a while...
[03:31] <BluesKaj> yes RawSewage , feisty
[03:31] <rkitecsure> I'm getting a GRUB hard disk error when trying to dual boot from windows bootloader.
[03:31] <dr_willis> just-this-time:  i got a Hauppage PVTr150 with a remote
[03:31] <Grant> 320GB
[03:31] <trakinas> OUCH
[03:31] <trakinas> i have only 80
[03:31] <trakinas> #(
[03:32] <Grant> I have another 200GB
[03:32] <dr_willis> I just added a 500gbHD on my fileserver
[03:32] <Grant> and another 80
[03:32] <Grant> and another 40...
[03:32] <Grant> do they sell terabyte drives yet?
[03:33] <dr_willis> Grant:  not seen any in stores yet
[03:33] <Grant> ahh
[03:33] <dr_willis> 750's are in stores now
[03:33] <Grant> yea I saw those
[03:33] <dr_willis> but the 500gb's are getting in the $100 range
[03:33] <Grant> not that I need one...
[03:33] <dr_willis> hard to beat that price/gb ratio
[03:33] <Grant> yea
[03:33] <dr_willis> 750's were like 2x the price/ratio
[03:34] <K-Ryan> 2x the 500gb price?
[03:34] <dr_willis> they were over 2x the price.
[03:34] <dr_willis> like $283 or somting
[03:34] <K-Ryan> Get two of the 500gbs then. More space for less $$$
[03:34] <dr_willis> so the $/gb was much higher.
[03:34] <trakinas> i need just more 80 for now... Im not a bittorrent sicko, nor have a file server... so one more 80 gb drive and i could install more distros and windows (since i will need it next semester.. flash and delph... #| )
[03:34] <dr_willis> the 500;s were on sale this weekend :) i spent $$ on othe rthings also.
[03:35] <dr_willis> 500 will double my total storage i got onsite for now. :)
[03:35] <dr_willis> well - almost. :P
[03:35] <just-this-time> wow exactly
[03:35] <K-Ryan> My friend has more than two terrabytes worth of space in his house
[03:35] <xeon> hi there. does anyone knows if ati radeon x550 supports beryl?
[03:35] <just-this-time> wonderful also hauppauge PVR 150
[03:36] <dr_willis> i had 1.25tb. now i got antoehr 500gb./
[03:36] <dr_willis> but i am out of controler cards/spaces to put the smaller hd's :)
[03:36] <just-this-time> dr_willis how much time have the TV card?
[03:36] <dr_willis> like i need a 50gb hd any more
[03:36] <trakinas> xeon: probably, if you can get a driver.
[03:36] <dr_willis> just-this-time:  Huh?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> xeon: Ati cards don't work 100% with linux but you should be able to run it.
[03:36] <just-this-time> huhh?
[03:36] <K-Ryan> How well, I'm not sure, sorry
[03:36] <trakinas> i desperatly need a job... i need a gf card, a matrox card and a new hd.
[03:37] <Grant> I need a new CPU
[03:37] <xeon> trakinas, K-Ryan: i installed the drivers and every time i did it broke my X server
[03:37] <Grant> I'm usually loyal to AMD, but it seems Intel is in the lead at the moment
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Oh, then there's your answer =P
[03:37] <trakinas> :/
[03:38] <dr_willis> Amd Nipping at the Heels of Intel  - is good for us. :)
[03:38] <trakinas> xeon: tried the open modules?
[03:38] <dr_willis> and visa versa
[03:38] <Grant> yea
[03:38] <xeon> trakinas: where can i find them?
[03:38] <trakinas> xeon: i dont know... one sec
[03:43] <xeon> trakinas: thanks
[03:44] <rkitecsure> anyone know what a proper .bin file looks like when trying to dual boot?
[03:44] <BluesKaj> ZEDNet claims Intel is a yr ahead of AMD in CPU development
[03:44] <dr_willis> bin file and dual booting? Hmm..
[03:45] <rkitecsure> yeah.. doing dd if= of= bs count
[03:45] <rkitecsure> just not sure if it's actually getting the correct information into the .bin file
[03:45] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  you mean the format of the Output file you are dding to?
[03:45] <doctorow> Hey there! I'm trying to uninstall or otherwise nuke Slow Keys. When I hold down the Shift Key for too long, it invokes a buggy dialog asking me if I want to turn on Slow Keys. The dialog is hidden behind a couple windows, not visible in the alt-tab list, and has to be manually located and closed before the keyboard comes back.
[03:46] <phishinphree> Thanks for the help guys.  Found out if you enable the WINS server in samba, you end up doing a reverse mDNS lookup for every client that connects to your machine.  since my provider doesn't support multicast, it takes 6 seconds to time out.
[03:46] <doctorow> I understand that the Slow Keys dialog is a known bug, but I don't need Slow Keys at all so I'm wondering if I can just uninstall whatever package it comes in
[03:46] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: no, just that the file is containing all the information needed to get loaded into linux from bootloader
[03:46] <trakinas> doctorow: there's an option in kde configuration. just cant recall where.
[03:46] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  you mean the MBR?
[03:47] <doctorow> Trankinas, if that's the option to disable slow keys, it's not the solution. That just turns off slow keys, but if you hold down the shift key for 8s, it *still* invokes the broken dialog asking if you want Slow Keys turned on
[03:48] <trakinas> here ir just beep.
[03:48] <doctorow> Trankinas, I habitually hold down the shift key when I'm thinking of how to start a sentence, with my fingers over the keyboard, then start typing
[03:48] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: not sure really.  I think the MBR is ok since it will boot into XP fine.  I'm just trying to get bootloader to allow me to boot into the linux install.
[03:48] <K-Ryan> I think I disabled it or something because that dialog isn't popping up when I hold/repetedly tap shift
[03:49] <trakinas> doctorow: me too... heehehehe
[03:49] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  grub is the program./tool that puts the boot menu on the MBR.  if  you are not seeing the grub menu, you normally use grub-install to reinstall it. If the menu is wrong. you edit grubs menu.lst
[03:49] <doctorow> K-Ryan, How?
[03:49] <K-Ryan> doctorow: Not sure, but I figured I'd let you know that it can either be turned off or uninstalled because I did one of them =P
[03:50] <rkitecsure> dr_willis: I purposely am not installing GRUB on the MBR so I can use windows bootloader as my boot menu
[03:50] <trakinas> dr_willis: 20secs and nothing. :P
[03:51] <BluesKaj> rkitecsure, check your  /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit by commenting (#) the hiddemenu line
[03:52] <dr_willis> rkitecsure:  hmm...  from my experience windows boot loader is well trash :)
[03:52] <BluesKaj> then your menu will show up at boot
[03:52] <dr_willis> grub is a much more flexaible tool and easier to work with.
[03:53] <rkitecsure> I tried using grub.  I ended up having to wipe my xp drive because it wouldn't install right with the fiesty installer.
[03:53] <dr_willis> you normally install windows first, then linux.
[03:54] <trakinas> windows is defenetly "i dont play with no one else! x( "
[03:54] <dr_willis> installing windows afterwards normally whipes out grub.
[03:54] <trakinas> defenetely. did i spelled it okay?
[03:54] <dr_willis> of course i find it best to keep wndows and linux each on their own hard drives
[03:54] <trakinas> definetely...
[03:54] <Grant> *definately
[03:54] <Rictoo> cat /kernel > /dev/audio
[03:54] <Rictoo> What would that do?
[03:54] <Grant> eh
[03:54] <trakinas> definitely
[03:54] <Grant> heh
[03:54] <rkitecsure> linux has it's own hdd.  It's on an external drive
[03:54] <Grant> w/e
[03:54] <trakinas> http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/
[03:54] <rkitecsure> xp is on the internal drive
[03:55] <rkitecsure> I have a 100mb partition on the internal drive for the kernels
[03:55] <Rictoo> cat /kernel > /dev/audio
[03:55] <Rictoo> What would that do? :\
[03:55] <trakinas> cat shows a content of a file
[03:55] <Rictoo> I know that
[03:55] <Rictoo> but putting it throught he speakers
[03:55] <Rictoo> what would it sound like>
[03:55] <Rictoo> try it :D
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yes installing windows wipes the grub menu , but after reinstalling grub , the menu is hidden  by default for some strange reason
[03:55] <trakinas> hahaaha
[03:55] <trakinas> Rictoo: i wont
[03:55] <Rictoo> lool
[03:56] <Rictoo> 205550 <     Evil_> :(){ :|:& };:
[03:56] <Rictoo> What would that do?
[03:57] <dr_willis> BluesKaj:  i wonder if its hidden by default normally on the fist install?
[03:57] <Grant> ugh, wiping a HD takes so long...
[03:57] <trakinas> dr_willis: mine was
[03:57] <Grant> *an
[03:57] <dr_willis> i always edit the menu.lst on the first boot and change things anyway
[03:57] <trakinas> Grant: i really confused too with a and an...
[03:58] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, good question
[03:58] <Grant> heh
[03:58] <trakinas> I think Im leaving now.
[03:59] <trakinas> cheers all
[03:59] <Grant> bye
[04:07] <gwolf> #list
[04:20] <greg_g> why, if I have kdm as my DM, when I switch to another user it loads gnome??
[04:21] <dr_willis> use the login manager to select another session for that user
[04:22] <greg_g> ahhh
[04:26] <jordo23_> How do you install Gnome under Kubuntu without installing the metapackages that will turn your system into Ubuntu?
[04:28] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  they dont really turn your system into ubuntu.
[04:28] <dr_willis> theyjust change some default gfx and a few other things.
[04:28] <dr_willis> You could fire upthe package manager and start searching/clicking/installing
[04:28] <startswithz> how do I connect to the internet from terminal?
[04:29] <jordo23_> dr_willis: I have tried once before and it turned the boot screen into Ubuntu's and stuff.....
[04:29] <dr_willis> startswithz:  you want to clarify that question
[04:29] <startswithz> sure
[04:29] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  the boot screen is just a image file it sets to by default. thats not really doing much of anything.
[04:29] <dr_willis> !splash
[04:29] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[04:29] <dr_willis> !bootsplash
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootsplash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <startswithz> I cannot get internet access from the terminal (my X11 is broken
[04:29] <jordo23_> dr_willis: I know the underlying system is the same, but can I install Gnome without this happening??
[04:30] <dr_willis> startswithz:  you mean you cant start networking? cant ping? links or lynx are text based browsers
[04:30] <dr_willis> jordo23_:  easier to just change the splashscreen back. or disable it totally Like i do. I hate that silly eye csndy
[04:30] <startswithz> I mean apt-get, lynx all of them aren't connecting
[04:30] <startswithz> my other computers are all working fine
[04:30] <dr_willis> startswithz:  see if you can ping the other pc's
[04:31] <startswithz> connect: Network is unreachable
[04:32] <dr_willis> this is a wired network?
[04:32] <startswithz> yeah
[04:32] <dr_willis> what does ifconfig show about your ip#?
[04:32] <startswithz> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:33] <dr_willis> no eth0 eh?
[04:33] <pagan0ne> does anyone know how i could force a process to run on the 2nd processor in my dual processor setup, i am running a smp kernel
[04:33] <startswithz> which is wrong, my home netwrok is 172.*.*.*
[04:33] <dr_willis> <IP_ADDRESS> is localhost
[04:33] <startswithz> oh yeah
[04:33] <startswithz> ok, maybe you can help me with the bigger problem.  I fucked my xorg.conf file up
[04:34] <dr_willis> check for backups :)
[04:34] <startswithz> I did
[04:34] <klobster> any one bored enough to answer some GPL questions?
[04:34] <coreymon77> is anyone here good at mirc scripting?
[04:34] <dr_willis> heh.. bet ya do manul backups in the future dont ya. :)
[04:34] <klobster> ^^ version 3
[04:34] <dr_willis> mIRC?  hehheh..
[04:34] <startswithz> yeah
[04:34] <Minataku> coreymon77: Why would anyone here?
[04:35] <Minataku> :P
[04:35] <startswithz> and when I get this fixed I am definately going to put my home folder on a different partition
[04:35] <coreymon77> just wondering
[04:35] <coreymon77> because i had a script that i need help with
[04:35] <startswithz> but as I didn't do that just reinstalling is not an option
[04:35] <Minataku> coreymon77: Not trying to be mean, it's just kind of a goofy question around here
[04:35] <Minataku> :3
[04:35] <coreymon77> i know
[04:35] <coreymon77> but hey
[04:35] <coreymon77> im in the channel
[04:35] <coreymon77> might as well ask
[04:35] <dr_willis> mIRC scripting is such a mix-match-system :) its a insult to real scripting languages!
[04:35] <pagan0ne> startswithz: you could always burn your home folder to a cd and copy it back
[04:36] <coreymon77> that may be
[04:36] <coreymon77> but still
[04:36] <coreymon77> dr_willis: are you any good with it?
[04:36] <startswithz> the burner isn't working (not even for Knoppix).  I have obviously angered the penguin god
[04:36] <dr_willis> I wouldent touch mIRC if.. well.. ever :) not since i found xchat for windows.
[04:37] <pagan0ne> startswithz: got a spair hdd? lol
[04:37] <coreymon77> dr_willis: im not asking you to do that, imjust asking if you are any good at mirc scripting
[04:37] <dr_willis> coreymon77:  should of asked like 5 yrs ago. :)
[04:38] <startswithz> not big enough for my home folder
[04:38] <coreymon77> dr_willis: in other words, not anymore?
[04:39] <dr_willis> yeppers
[04:39] <startswithz> It's all a moot point.  I am dead in about 20 minutes when my girlfriend gets home and sees the computer broken
[04:39] <dr_willis> tell her it was a computer virus from her games
[04:39] <pagan0ne> startswithz: you hoased xorg.config ?
[04:40] <klobster> coreymon77: http://www.google.com/search?q=mirc+scripting
[04:40] <startswithz> pagan0ne: yeah pretty much
[04:40] <startswithz> is there a way to fix it?
[04:40] <pagan0ne> startswithz: how did you manage that?
[04:40] <Minataku> startswithz: Pull a Homestar and tape a drawing of a message box to the screen that says "Everything is fine, nothing is ruined"
[04:40] <dr_willis> dpkg-reconfigure whatver-that-thng-is-for-x
[04:40] <pagan0ne> startswithz: hehe im sure there is but im no expert, i could give some advice to help though
[04:41] <startswithz> dr_willis: do what with dpkg?
[04:41] <pagan0ne> startswithz: i think he means sompthing like dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[04:41] <pagan0ne> but my advice would be
[04:42] <startswithz> but what's the command?
[04:42] <dr_willis>  startswithz  reconfigure X with it. :) but i forget the name
[04:42] <dr_willis> !fixrex
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixrex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <dr_willis> !fixres
[04:42] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:42] <pagan0ne> first (are you running nvidia or ati drivers)
[04:42] <Minataku> Mmmm... Suzuka Circuit
[04:42] <klobster> no one wants to talk GPLv3, huh?
[04:42] <Minataku> One of my favorites
[04:42] <dr_willis> klobster:  whats to discuss. :)
[04:42] <startswithz> Nvidia
[04:43] <dr_willis> nvidia has a X org generation tool
[04:43] <pagan0ne> klobster: think noone wants a war
[04:43] <BluesKaj> do you mean 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[04:43] <dr_willis> # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[04:43] <pagan0ne> startswithz: what i would do is boot off the kubuntu live cd, copy the preconfigured xorg.conf file to my harddrive
[04:43] <startswithz> BluesKaj: is that what it is?
[04:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[04:43] <klobster> dr_willis pagan0ne: I was just curious about a few things that I am confused about.  Maybe I should take it to offtopic
[04:44] <pagan0ne> startswithz: and then download and install envy....
[04:44] <startswithz> pagan0ne: can't download my internet is broked
[04:44] <intelikey> klobster idea on your post in the pastebin yesterday.       sudo chown -R `whoami` ~        if that didn't fix it.  rm -r ~/.kde*      i know it's a little drastic but beets a reload all to peaces.
[04:45] <pagan0ne> startswithz: thats what id do anyway
[04:45] <klobster> intelikey: I'll give it a try.  any idea what would have caused it?
[04:45] <intelikey> probably running konq via sudo
[04:46] <intelikey> it's notorious for hosing perms that way.
[04:46] <startswithz> BlueKaj: it seems to be working
[04:46] <startswithz> should I use kernel frambuffer device interface?
[04:46] <klobster> I am pretty sure he never did that (untill I instructed him to)
[04:47] <intelikey> klobster may be a bug.   </shrugs>
[04:47] <BluesKaj> startswithz, you have to make choices
[04:47] <dr_willis> startswithz:  i always disable the framebuffer
[04:47] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, why
[04:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[04:48] <dr_willis> i have issues with the framebuffer on the console on some of my machines
[04:48] <BluesKaj> what's the downside issues?
[04:48] <dr_willis> depends on what part of the framebuffer you ar refering to.
[04:49] <dr_willis> Most cases peoplke dont even use the console-framebuffer any more
[04:49] <pagan0ne> anyone know how to force a process to execute on a spefic core on a dual processor rig?
[04:50] <intelikey> dr_willis i thought everyone that uses "default" *buntu used the frame buffer    *** think usplash ***
[04:50] <BluesKaj> i have very vague idea what the frame buffer does anyway :)
[04:50] <dr_willis> intelikey:  i disable that :)
[04:51] <intelikey> me too
[04:51] <intelikey> that's why i said "default"  :)
[04:51] <dr_willis> on some of my mahcines if i alt-ctrl-F1 bacj and forth - the Frabebuffer really messes up the console
[04:51] <intelikey> yep.   i second the camotion
[04:52] <intelikey> that's why i don't use a gui much  tho
[04:53] <intelikey> pagan0ne i kinda wish i did know.    that would mean i had a dual core to test it on.
[04:53] <jontec_> anyone used DeVeDe (Video DVD burning)? I'm a kubuntu user, but its a gnome app... O_o the people in #ubuntu and #gnome aren't helping...
[04:53] <dr_willis> I was thinking if the kernel was set to use them - all apps used them. Well i do recall they needed to be compiled with threads support? I forget. I got no dulecore eithers
[04:53] <pagan0ne> intelikey: lol i just got my dual core amd 64 up and running, and i want to put qemu on the 2nd core
[04:53] <startswithz> ok I tried reconfiguring the xorg but it still does not work
[04:54] <startswithz> it says "no screens found"
[04:54] <dr_willis> startswithz:  could boot the livecd and copy its xorg.conf over.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> jontec_, I used it for a while til I discovered Tovid ...devede now just gathers dust
[04:54] <startswithz> Ill give that a try
[04:55] <jontec_> BluesKaj: is it better? I like a lot of the things that DeVeDe does...
[04:55] <pagan0ne> startswithz: hey hold on
[04:55] <pagan0ne> startswithz: have you heard of envy?
[04:55] <startswithz> I can't download envy
[04:55] <startswithz> my internet is broke
[04:56] <startswithz> I'm on my laptop right now
[04:56] <pagan0ne> oh... thats bad...
[04:56] <startswithz> yeah
[04:56] <BluesKaj> jontec_, it jus a matter of stability to me ...can't say whether deved is as buggy anymore as it was in dapper ( the Last time i used it )
[04:56] <startswithz> the linux gods are conspiring against me
[04:56] <startswithz> all because I wanted to play WoW
[04:56] <startswithz> :(
[04:56] <intelikey> internet is broke,  gui is broke,   what did you do ?
[04:56] <pagan0ne> startswithz: yeah boot off live cd, copy the xorg.conf file off the cd and that should get u to boot with normal nv drivers
[04:57] <startswithz> intelikey: I tried to install nvidia-xgl
[04:57] <pagan0ne> startswithz: did the x break when you tried to switch to the nvidia binary drivers?
[04:57] <jontec_> BluesKaj: where can I get tovid?  T_T I just went to the wiki, but I'm on dial-up so it's taking a while to find
[05:03] <pagan0ne> im running a dual nvidia 8800's with binary drivers
[05:04] <titanix88> pagan0ne: then why r u trying to switch to nv ;?
[05:04] <dr_willis> titanix88:  using IRSSI right now :)
[05:04] <netdaemon> does anyone rip cds with k3b?
[05:04] <BluesKaj> jontec_, http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[05:04] <scififan> putting windows on your computer is like hanging up a Picasso painting in the bathroom
[05:04] <pagan0ne> titanix88: im not, i was trying to get startswithz to switch to try to get his X running again
[05:05] <dr_willis> scififan:  i got a 'Dogs Playing Poker' in my bathroom
[05:05] <Minataku> There's just walls in our bathrooms
[05:05] <scififan> i haven't seen one of those in years
[05:05] <scififan> dogs smoking cigars and all...
[05:06] <BluesKaj> well gents ...tired now ...sacktime for me ..take care all
[05:06] <intelikey> i like the "dogs shooting pool"
[05:07] <jontec_> gah... I don't know where I'm going to get 4 more GB... looks like tovid is proposing 20GB... so I think I should just go with DeVeDe... T_T
[05:07] <startswithz> ok I am trying the copy the xorg.conf from live cd idea
[05:08] <intelikey> startswithz you could copy it to your user home and use startx
[05:08] <startswithz> I just copied it to where it is supposed to be
[05:08] <intelikey> that preserves /etc   and lets you play with the config without sudo
[05:08] <intelikey> t'was just a thought
[05:08] <jontec_> lol... if I blew out my whole home folder, I could only get 3.3GB
[05:09] <startswithz> intelikey I may mess with that in the future
[05:09] <startswithz> once I get my system unretarded
[05:09] <scififan> that means removing windows
[05:09] <intelikey> jontec_ that's about 3.2g more than me...
[05:09] <startswithz> it appears to have worked
[05:09] <startswithz> for real this time
[05:10] <startswithz> oh wait now it doesn't recognize my keyboard or mouse
[05:11] <scififan> ya'll think configuring linux can be a pain, try freebsd, despite hardware being supported...
[05:12] <intelikey> scififan i dont think that ^
[05:12] <scififan> depends on what you're trying to do
[05:12] <netdaemon> what do the different paranoia levels mean in k3b?
[05:12] <intelikey> i think it would be a pain to setup grub on this system.
[05:12] <netdaemon> i have 0, 1, 2, and 3: no explanation of what either of them does
[05:13] <startswithz> ok how do I fix my mouse?
[05:13] <scififan> setup grub? grub is installed with kubuntu
[05:13] <scififan> you mean for dual booting?
[05:13] <intelikey> netdaemon try reading the online help in the menu
[05:13] <netdaemon> intelikey: i have =\
[05:14] <intelikey> scififan grub can't boot this system.    no partition.
[05:14] <scififan> prior windows machine?
[05:14] <intelikey> no
[05:14] <intelikey> non-default install.
[05:14] <netdaemon> i must be looking in the wrong sections
[05:14] <intelikey> non-default everything actually.
[05:15] <scififan> what do you mean non-default?
[05:15] <intelikey> netdaemon i'm sorry.  i don't have k3b installed so i can't look it up for you.   i do "think" i remember seeing it in the docs though.
[05:16] <netdaemon> intelikey: i'll keep looking then =) thanks
[05:16] <intelikey> scififan i mean there isn't another one like it anywhere in the world.
[05:16] <scififan> try installing freebsd
[05:16] <scififan> openbsd actually might be better. in my experience, it handles obscure hardware pretty well
[05:16] <netdaemon> freebsd == fun
[05:17] <intelikey> scififan send me a cd.    dialup and net installs don't jive
[05:17] <scififan> true
[05:18] <intelikey> i will admit i can't get the nvidia drivers to work for my card.   but i was told that it's because my card is not supported.
[05:18] <scififan> intellikey...have a friend dl and burn openbsd and try it. i think you'll be pleasantly surprised
[05:19] <intelikey> scififan i may try that...    next time i reload.      still running dapper right now so it will be a few more years yet.
[05:20] <scififan> dapper? dude... what are you still running dapper for?
[05:20] <intelikey> LTS
[05:20] <intelikey> dude !
[05:20] <netdaemon> fiesty is much better
[05:20] <netdaemon> =)
[05:20] <netdaemon> i hated (k)(x)ubuntu up until it...
[05:20] <intelikey> not what i've seen of it.   that is the part i would be using.
[05:21] <titanix88> scififan it's now 6.06.03
[05:22] <scififan> i still don't understand why ppl don't keep up with new releases... bit crazy to me
[05:22] <intelikey> and i'm as content in slackware 4  as the latest *buntu beta     a console is a console.    "except the things that they broke in fiesty,  that would hack me off"
[05:22] <netdaemon> scififan: i can understand why a business dosnt
[05:22] <scififan> that's different
[05:22] <wasi> hi there
[05:22] <scififan> i'm talking about home use computers
[05:23] <netdaemon> for home use, i don't see a reason to not use the latest, other than brokeness...
[05:23] <scififan> altho, if i ran a business, i would upgrade the desktops every 6 months... easy to do, actually
[05:23] <intelikey> i can't understand why people replace a working system for one with bugs...    gues that makes us equally ignorant...
[05:23] <titanix88> scififan thats bcoz i tried edgy and realized how crappy it was
[05:24] <scififan> use a jumpstart server and just push it out once you know the hardware works with test machines
[05:24] <scififan> edgy was crappy... i switched linux distros until feisty came out
[05:25] <intelikey> !worksforme
[05:25] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok.  LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:31] <dthacker> which is why my "this has to bleeping work or I'm dead" laptop runs Kubuntu 6.04 LTS
[05:31] <titanix88> !ubotu
[05:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:31] <intelikey> dthacker 6.6
[05:32] <intelikey> they posponed the release, remember ?
[05:32] <scififan> if i was running a small company, i would run kubuntu/ubuntu on the desktops and bsd in the server room
[05:32] <scififan> good combo
[05:32] <titanix88> intelikey it's actually 6.06
[05:32] <intelikey> 6 and 06  are the same month.
[05:33] <dthacker> intelikey: no, my memory is shot ;)
[05:33] <dthacker> but it's LTS
[05:33] <intelikey> indeed
[05:33] <scififan> if i see another elvis presley gospel CD collection on sale on tv, i'm gonna puke
[05:34] <scififan> ty
[05:34] <scififan> i want to see new geico caveman commericals
[05:35] <klobster> intelikey: they are flat now.
[05:35] <intelikey> really?   like monitors ?
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:35] <netdaemon> yes
[05:36] <netdaemon> they call it,, HDTV
[05:36] <dthacker> intelikey: yep, and some of them come with 3d glasses
[05:36] <kotsos> how install beryl in kubuntu?
[05:36] <kotsos> help me.......
[05:36] <netdaemon> a computer monitor with AV inputs and a coax input
[05:36] <klobster> scififan: I hear there is a pilot for a geico caveman sitcom (BTW I was pronouncing your name sisiphan in my head untill I typed your name)
[05:36] <intelikey> netdaemon yeah   but why don't they just say "short screen"  ???
[05:36] <scififan> lol
[05:37] <scififan> i saw that sitcom ad, too... looking forward to it
[05:37] <intelikey> kotsos there is a channel specially for that.
[05:37] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:37] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:37] <netdaemon> intelikey: they have widescreen now too =\
[05:37] <scififan> if cavemen were actually real and still alive today, i have no doubt desperate linux geeks would date the caveman ladies
 intelikey: they have widescreen now too =\ <<<<   you call it wide.   i still say it's just "short"
[05:37] <netdaemon> lol
[05:38] <scififan> getting caught in your mother's basement with a girl that has a face like a hatful of a**holes
[05:39] <kotsos> thanx
[05:39] <kotsos> bye
[05:39] <intelikey> scififan how many times did you take your medication today ?
[05:39] <scififan> funny
[05:40] <scififan> i just call it as i see it
[05:40] <scififan> just saw a commercial for CHIPS season 1 DVD
[05:40] <intelikey> that's what i'm afraid of....  just answer the question
[05:40] <deemo> Hello all, I have a Kubuntu dapper system here, and for some reason, no outbound internet connection will work. i can access apache and other internet ports from other computers so it works fine as a server, but firefox, apt-get, etc dont work from it locally. what could be wrong?
[05:40] <intelikey> :)
[05:40] <scififan> anyone in here old enought to remember the original show?
[05:40] <luckyone> what tool would I use to format my 4GB SD card?
[05:41] <scififan> what format is it currently in?
[05:41] <klobster> dd?
[05:41] <luckyone> scififan: not formatted I don't think
[05:41] <scififan> it has to be formatted somehow or else it cannot hold data
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: I tried to format it with my Nikon D50 and it messed it up... dmesg recognizes it still, I just need to format it
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: it has no data
[05:42] <intelikey> deemo did you install a firewall configurator ?     iptables may be blocking outbound       do you have a listing in  /etc/resolv.conf ?   may not have a dns server setup
[05:42] <scififan> use the camera again... take the offer for wiping the card completely... my fuji camera offers this
[05:42] <luckyone> scififan: post format error with the camera, I read that some Nikon D50's can use but can't format that large of a card
[05:43] <scififan> what year is the camera?
[05:43] <luckyone> scififan: My camera cannot format a 4GB card
[05:43] <deemo> intelikey, i dont beleive that i installed a firewall. ill look at that file
[05:43] <scififan> dthacker, me as well
[05:44] <scififan> i recall adam 12 as well
[05:44] <intelikey> scififan may sound pedantic and nit picky  but a disk/device doesn't have to have a file system (be formated) to hold data.   it makes retrieval much easier though.
[05:44] <scififan> i watched the after school specials back in the 70s
[05:44] <glen_r> When I plug in a usb stick it gets mounted as /media/usbdisk or /media/usbdisk-1  -- Is there a way to force a certain mount point all the time using the UUID?
[05:44] <dthacker> dragnet?, Emergency?
[05:44] <scififan> seen em
[05:45] <scififan> i watched gilligans island when it was making new episodes
[05:45] <dthacker> hehe, yep.
[05:45] <bipolar> Me, my wife, and my nephews play World of Warcraft. My wifes pc is an old POS P42.2Ghz 2/ 512MB of kinda buggy ram, Running Wow in wine. We took it over to my nephews to play together. He's got a athlon 64 4200+ w/ 2GB of ram and an Nvidia SLI setup running XP. My wifes PC loaded WoW screens faster then his and it pissed him off. He's been trying for a couple of weeks to figure out what was wrong. The only bottleneck he had left was old hard drives (ide) so
[05:45] <bipolar> he bought a 10k RPM Sata drive. It didn't help. Tonight we loaded kubuntu and wine on a spare 20GB partition . It Cut his screen loading time better then in half.
[05:45] <bipolar> I thought you guys would enjoy that story :)
[05:46] <scififan> cool
[05:46] <scififan> better living through linux
[05:46] <netdaemon> yep
[05:47] <netdaemon> cept wine dosn't run to well in 64 bit ;)
[05:47] <scififan> queen.... yuck
[05:47] <intelikey> bipolar sounds like an anti-M$ add   and while i enjoy such    what's the point of posting it here ?
[05:47] <bipolar> netdaemon: true
[05:47] <scififan> turns up Siberian Khatru by Yes
[05:47] <scififan> Roundabout next...
[05:48] <bipolar> netdaemon: true. loaded the 32bit version.
[05:48] <bipolar> netdaemon: it's hard enough to get someone to try linux without messing with the hardships of 64bit :)
[05:49] <bipolar> intelikey: becouse it involves a new kubuntu user and it's true.
[05:49] <netdaemon> bipolar: i hardly find it hardship
[05:49] <scififan> all of my coworkers hate linux.... apple too.... my manager hates anything not MS
[05:49] <netdaemon> no more flash adds for me =D
[05:49] <netdaemon> ads*
[05:49] <bipolar> netdaemon: hehe
[05:49] <netdaemon> i find that if they are to ignorant to write a 64 bit port, they aren't worth my time
[05:49] <klobster> 6 MB/s to transfer a folder from one partition to the other (same disk).  seems slow, no?
[05:49] <scififan> i live and work in a small town, so i have to put up with windows at work
[05:50] <netdaemon> all code should be portable
[05:50] <bipolar> klobster: er..yeah
[05:50] <scififan> no real IT options here
[05:50] <bipolar> klobster: depends on the hardware I guess
[05:50] <intelikey> klobster depends on the disk and interface.    dmesg  will tell you more about that.
[05:51] <scififan> anyone here use only konq as their browser / no other browser?
[05:51] <klobster> it's an  WD sata(1) 250gb
[05:51] <bipolar> klobster: you've got an issue then. that should be faster then that.
[05:51] <bipolar> scififan: I use konq mostly, but i do have FF installed for the rare time I need it.
[05:52] <Minataku> Well, same-drive transfers one would technically expect to take twice as long
[05:52] <Minataku> As a one-to-another transfer
[05:52] <Minataku> Since in the one-to-another, you can read off one and write to the other simultaneously
[05:52] <scififan> debating trying another browser, but i don't like firefox or mozilla.
[05:52] <bipolar> I just coppied a few gigs of data on a 10k rpm sata drive and it hovered around 35MB/s
[05:52] <intelikey> same cable exception ^
[05:53] <intelikey> scififan dillo
[05:53] <scififan> i lived with dillo for a while under openbsd for those site that konq emebedded couldnt handle
[05:53] <scififan> dillo is way too basic...
[05:54] <netdaemon> no css
[05:54] <bipolar> scififan: give konq a try
[05:54] <bipolar> scififan: I like it. it's quite fast too
[05:54] <klobster> minataku: I didn't think that would apply, as it is just a platter transfer, ergo no cable bottleneck?
[05:54] <scififan> i use konq as my only browser
[05:54] <Minataku> klobster: The heads can only be in one place at one time
[05:54] <scififan> looking to try something new
[05:55] <Rocky_> newbie here. what is the equivalent to the windows media player and where can i get it?
[05:55] <bipolar> klobster: copys like that have to go though ram, I think
[05:55] <Minataku> Rocky_: VLC or mplayer, and from the repositories
[05:55] <scififan> opera, flock, dillo, FF, seamonkey, tried em all
[05:55] <Minataku> scififan: Write your own
[05:55] <Rocky_> ok thanks
[05:55] <Minataku> Rocky_: np
[05:55] <netdaemon> konqueror is my fav now
[05:55] <netdaemon> was a firefox person
[05:55] <klobster> still, should be faster than a sd card transfer
[05:55] <scififan> i'm not a hacker... the only code i can write is bash scripts
[05:55] <intelikey> elinks  links2 -g
[05:56] <bipolar> klobster: maybe :)
[05:56] <Minataku> Can't stand Konq for one, and don't use KDE for two
[05:56] <Minataku> I use Firefox on everything, even if I'm not technically supposed to, like on lab computers
[05:56] <intelikey> i find a lot of people in here that don't use kde.   what is up with that ?
[05:56] <scififan> konq is better than anything else i've tried to date
[05:56] <netdaemon> Minataku: what do you use then?
[05:56] <bipolar> Minataku: er... you're in the kubuntu channel and you don't use KDE? kinda strange... you must have a reason. :)
[05:57] <scififan> i'm just getting bored with konq is all... maybe i should just tweak it some more and get anothe skin
[05:57] <Minataku> bipolar: I like to help
[05:57] <intelikey> bipolar me too
[05:57] <Minataku> As for what I use, Gentoo w/ Fluxbox
[05:57] <bipolar> hmmm ok
[05:58] <Minataku> Though I'm planning on finding a new WM
[05:58] <ubuntu_> hi
[05:58] <dthacker> very quick
[05:58] <Minataku> Gotta find something nice and light and with the same functionality
[05:58] <ubuntu_> someone else speak spanish
[05:58] <Minataku> !es
[05:58] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:58] <scififan> blackbox is nice... used it for awhile
[05:59] <scififan> fluxbox is nicer, tho
[05:59] <scififan> even tho it's based on bb
[05:59] <intelikey> flux is just a fork of black
[05:59] <Minataku> intelikey: Doesn't mean it can't be nicer
[05:59] <intelikey> doesn't mean it is either
[05:59] <scififan> if enlightenment ever gets their act together, i'll download e17

[06:00] <dr_willis> scififan:  they been tryign to do that for years...
[06:00] <Minataku> I don't like big, heavyweight WMs
[06:00] <dr_willis> well night all
[06:00] <scififan> nothing more elegant than enlightenment
[06:00] <dr_willis> when it works. :)
[06:00] <Minataku> It needs to do what it needs to do and stay out of the way the rest of the time
[06:00] <scififan> willis... unfortunately... they need to finish it or forget it
[06:00] <dr_willis> ive had so many issues withit in the past.. i dont even want to try it any more
[06:00] <Minataku> Which is 99.999% of it
[06:00] <ubuntu_> no se como cambiar de canales soy nuevo usando kubuntu
[06:00] <Minataku> !es | ubuntu_
[06:00] <dr_willis> they almost finish it - then they start over.
[06:00] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:00] <dr_willis> :)
[06:00] <dr_willis> night all
[06:00] <Minataku> Night
[06:01] <klobster> night, doc!
[06:01] <dthacker> cya doc
[06:01] <scififan> bush's baked beans commercial... just let the dog sell the secret recipe already
[06:02] <netdaemon> haha
[06:02] <intelikey> or shoot the dog
[06:02] <scififan> that's mean
[06:03] <intelikey> yeah yeah i know save the whales and abort the babies....  lets don't go there ok.
[06:03] <scififan> i'm politically incorrect with one exception... animal cruelty...
[06:03] <ubuntu_> klobster
[06:04] <netdaemon> bah
[06:04] <klobster> ubuntu_
[06:04] <netdaemon> i can't find any docs on what those paranoia levels mean =(
[06:04] <scififan> i'm all for harpooning whales in proper numbers, however
[06:04] <netdaemon> whats in the backend of it ripping?
[06:05] <scififan> just make sure there are no fat girls on the beach when the whale hunts start
[06:05] <dthacker> netdaemon: what version,  I just brought up my fiesty and I can look
[06:05] <ubuntu_> estoy buscando a klobster
[06:05] <netdaemon> dthacker: fiesty
[06:05] <dthacker> I have 1.0 using KDE 3.5.6.  Same for you?
[06:06] <netdaemon> yep
[06:06] <Minataku> ubuntu_: This channel is English only, and you have already been directed to channels which provide support in Spanish.
[06:06] <ubuntu_> ok
[06:06] <Minataku> Sorry, but that's the channel rules
[06:06] <dthacker> netdaemon: where do you see the paranoia options at?
[06:07] <netdaemon> dthacker, its when you go to rip a cd
[06:07] <netdaemon> when it asks for the options, go to the advanced tab
[06:07] <klobster> ubuntu_ se es yo
[06:07] <intelikey> netdaemon prolly "cdparanoia"
[06:07] <dthacker> rip a CD? or burn a CD?
[06:07] <netdaemon> rip a CD
[06:08] <intelikey> !info cdparanoia
[06:08] <ubotu> cdparanoia: audio extraction tool for sampling CDs. In component main, is optional. Version 3.10+debian~pre0-4build1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 116 kB
[06:08] <netdaemon> i saw nothing of paranoia levels in the man page for it =\
[06:08] <netdaemon> i saw an option to strip paranoia completely, sans cdda2wav, and to strip extra paranoia
[06:09] <sjck> Hi, what is on the Kubuntu DVDs? :)
[06:10] <scififan> data...
[06:10] <scififan> anyone have any good jokes?
[06:10] <klobster> sjck: my coffee cup, sorry
[06:11] <sjck> Haha :/
[06:11] <ubuntu_> klobster pasate al #kubunt-es por favor
[06:11] <klobster> scififan: so there are these two muffins in the oven and one of them looks at the other and says "man is it hot in here..."
[06:12] <klobster> And the other muffin turns to him and says "OH MY GOD A TALKING MUFFIN!!!"
[06:12] <scififan> lol
[06:13] <scififan> i was reading some "yo momma" snaps earlier...some of them are ribsplitting funny
[06:13] <intelikey> what's the differance between a duck?
[06:13] <intelikey> one leg is both the same.
[06:14] <ubuntu_> klobster this a english channel so please go to #kubuntu-es to talk without troubles
[06:14] <scififan> funny one i read earlier... yo momma is so ugly, her shadow quit
[06:14] <ubuntu_> I need help
[06:15] <jack-> what could i do if my sound is broken, in kubuntu-feisty?
[06:16] <intelikey> change modules ?
[06:16] <jack-> no matter what i select as arts output, alsa/oss/esd/whatever, there's no output
[06:16] <intelikey> !sound | jack-
[06:16] <ubotu> jack-: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:16] <scififan> is the mixer muted?
[06:16] <jack-> and gui apps like noatun, juk or so play a track at a speed of like 10000x, without anything audible..
[06:16] <jack-> no
[06:17] <jack-> worked already, i just have no idea which package update broke stuff
[06:17] <scififan> i hate when this happens
[06:17] <jack-> same here ;)
[06:17] <scififan> indeed
[06:17] <scififan> if i more money, i'd just buy an apple and be done with it
[06:19] <jack-> heh
[06:19] <jack-> i got a g4 mac, but i happen to like ubuntu a lot
[06:19] <jack-> since the tree size is more than 10x of what we have in fink-macosx
[06:20] <scififan> ubuntu is nice, but so is all of your computer working
[06:20] <jack-> true :p
[06:20] <scififan> would love to buy a macbook, but my wallet says no way
[06:21] <jack-> those macbook pro's are great, indeed
[06:21] <raylu> does anyone know how to do string/number conversion in C?
[06:21] <jack-> a bit expensive maybe
[06:22] <scififan> raylu, this is likely not the room for C hacking
[06:22] <jack-> oh well, i'll reboot and hope that classical windoze way does anything
[06:22] <jack-> brb
[06:22] <intelikey> raylu  no si    ! C   know see
[06:22] <scififan> lol
[06:23] <scififan> i C said the blind man
[06:23] <raylu> =\ not even close to hacking. i'm a C newbie :(
[06:23] <intelikey> oh well then you can help him
[06:23] <intelikey> blind man  ^
[06:23] <scififan> i don't know C.... joking only
[06:24] <scififan> bash scripts, yes, system languages, no
[06:24] <scififan> brb... i require nicotine
[06:24] <intelikey> you know bash ?    maybe you can tell me what this does then   ":(){ :|:& }; :"
[06:25] <intelikey> hides
[06:25] <scififan> WTF is that obfuscated crap... looks like a perl nightmare, not shell
[06:26] <intelikey> it's totally shell
[06:26] <raylu> looks tasty.
[06:26] <n8k99> its not something you really want to run- unless you feel the need to reboot
[06:26] <intelikey> a bomb shell
[06:26] <intelikey> or bash bomb  if you will
[06:26] <n8k99> logic bomb
[06:26] <klobster> !C
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <scififan> i don't mess with nothing like that
[06:27] <klobster> !ada
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ada - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <intelikey> yeah if you have ulimit -n set to any sane amount it's nothing.  but if unlimited  don't play with it.
[06:27] <scififan> !dating girls
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dating girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <scififan> lol
[06:27] <hendaus> somebody help please!
[06:27] <n8k99> klobster you'll actually get much better results from the googlemonster for those topics
[06:28] <n8k99> or wikipedia
[06:28] <klobster> I wanted it from ubotu :(
[06:28] <scififan> obotu is asleep at the wheel
[06:28] <Tm_T> hendaus: and your problem is?
[06:29] <klobster> I love ubotu, but sadly
[06:29] <klobster> !love
[06:29] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[06:29] <intelikey> hendaus i thought you had been here long enough to know to just ask    not beg for help.
[06:29] <Tm_T> scififan: klobster:thisis support channel, for general chatters (and fooling around) use #kubuntu-offtopic thank you
[06:30] <rpgsimmaster> P'raps someone can help me - I'm currently having a problem with Adept...
[06:31] <hendaus> Tm_T:  thanx, i have download this -> jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin, and then i want to install it,what shell i do?
[06:31] <rpgsimmaster> it tells me the adept database is in use (e.g. by apt-get, adept, aptitude)
[06:31] <Tm_T> hendaus: you want download and install it, why?
[06:31] <hendaus> intelikey: yes but i have download jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin, but i dont know how to install it
[06:31] <rpgsimmaster> but my process table shows none of those running
[06:31] <klobster> rpgsimmaster look for dpkg
[06:31] <Tm_T> !jre
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <intelikey> hendaus there is a deb  in the repos isn't there ?
[06:31] <Tm_T> hmm,!java
[06:32] <Tm_T> gah
[06:32] <hendaus> Tm_T:  coz i open a website and to see anfy picture, it says click to install plugin
[06:32] <rpgsimmaster> No dpkg
[06:32] <Tm_T> big shame on me now
[06:32] <hendaus> intelikey:  i have alien
[06:32] <intelikey> !find jre-6
[06:32] <Tm_T> !java | hendaus
[06:32] <ubotu> Package/file jre-6 does not exist in feisty
[06:32] <ubotu> hendaus: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:33] <raylu> rpgsimmaster, try "ps aux | grep a"
[06:33] <intelikey> i guess there's not a deb of 6 yet.   thought that there was....
[06:33] <raylu> that'll catch anything that starts with a :D
[06:33] <hendaus> Tm_T:  i install sun java from adept
[06:33] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | rpgsimmaster
[06:33] <ubotu> rpgsimmaster: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:34] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks, ubotu
[06:34] <netdaemon> hrm...
[06:34] <intelikey> Tm_T you could have went ahead and kicked me so it wouldn't be a wasted +o   :)
[06:35] <scififan> gents, time to call it a night... ya'll have fun
[06:35] <dthacker> see ya sff
[06:35] <klobster> night
[06:35] <scififan> l8r all
[06:36] <hendaus> Tm_T:  i try this on konsole -> bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin , then i got this message -> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2),error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[06:36] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks for your help, guys - it seems your solution worked, ubotu
[06:37] <eljefe> well done ubotu ;)
[06:38] <eljefe> !conscience thought
[06:38] <intelikey> hendaus but it's an rpm  not a .deb    please go and look for a .deb so we don't have to spend 7 hours getting your computer working when you force that install and it breaks theings
[06:38] <thoreauputic> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <hendaus> intelikey:  i have alien, how can i convert to .deb?
[06:39] <thirdy> Wat's the easy way to drag your windows to the other desktop?
[06:39] <klobster> hendaus: JAve jre 6 is in the reposoitories
[06:39] <thirdy> Like in Xfce
[06:39] <eljefe> hendaus: why not install the java that Kubuntu provides?
[06:39] <thoreauputic> hendaus: don't do that - use the java package from the multiverse repo
[06:39] <hendaus> eljefe:  i installed it, and it doesnot make any sense
[06:39] <intelikey> hendaus yes i know you do...  but there is a .deb  so why use alian when you don't have too
[06:39] <hendaus> sence
[06:40] <thoreauputic> hendaus: follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[06:40] <eljefe> hendaus: go to KMenu > System > Adept, and search for java, and install the Sun Java JRE package... i cannot imagine that there is a newer package with any real improvements that are already being used on the web....
[06:40] <intelikey> thoreauputic and does he need to do that update-alternatives to activate it ?
[06:40] <hendaus> intelikey:  i am  using firefox mozilla browser
[06:40] <thoreauputic> intelikey: I did
[06:40] <eljefe> !java
[06:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:41] <intelikey> ok that's probably what he missed.
[06:41] <thoreauputic> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[06:42] <intelikey> hendaus run that command and see if your java works
[06:42] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  ok there r three alternatives, which one i choose
[06:42] <thoreauputic> hendaus: choose the sun java alternative
[06:43] <thoreauputic> hendaus: something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
[06:43] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  Using `/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java' to provide `java'
[06:43] <thoreauputic> hendaus: should work
[06:44] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  after that what should i do
[06:44] <fulat2k> is there a way to save ssh sessions in konsole similar to how it's done in putty?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> hendaus: that's it
[06:44] <hendaus> thanx let me try
[06:44] <thoreauputic> hendaus: restart firefox and test it - see if it appears in about:plugins ( type that in the URL bar)
[06:45] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you might also want to set it in open office
[06:45] <xlinux__> anyone here have a gforce 7600?
[06:45] <thoreauputic> !anyone
[06:45] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:46] <xlinux__> well ok.. but if noone has this card, its not going to do any good asking the question...
[06:46] <xlinux__> what framerates with glxgears are you nvidia geforce 7600 users getting?
[06:47] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i got click here to download plugin another time
[06:48] <thoreauputic> hendaus: do you see sun java in "aout:plugins"  ?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> umm about:plugins
[06:48] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  where is that in about plugins?
[06:49] <eljefe> xlinux__: i have that card, how do i test it?
[06:49] <intelikey> hendaus you navigate to that url      about:plugins
[06:49] <hendaus> intelikey:  no
[06:50] <xlinux__> hendaus.. well I just gave glxgears a shot and its telling me 5300fps, which seems quite low..
[06:50] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  there is one call java runtime environment
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you should see that java plugins are enabled
[06:50] <thoreauputic> hendaus: yes, that would be it
[06:50] <eljefe> anyone know how to run glxgears?  I get this: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:50] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  it says its not available
[06:51] <thoreauputic> hendaus: *sigh* have you restarted Firefox ?
[06:52] <hendaus> yes
[06:52] <eljefe> xlinux__: i want to try glxgears, how do i get it to run?
[06:52] <xlinux__> eljefe.. do you have nvidia drivers installed?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> hendaus: well, it should work assuming you installed it using apt or aptitude
[06:52] <intelikey> eljefe only time i messed with it,   i just opened a konsole and typed glxgears
[06:53] <eljefe> xlinux__: yes i do, but it won't go
[06:53] <xlinux__> you typed:
[06:53] <thoreauputic> eljefe: try  glxgears -printfps
[06:53] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i try restarting firefox several times and doesnot work :((
[06:53] <xlinux__> glxgears
[06:53] <eljefe> hendaus: in Firefox, go to Edit > Preferences, Settings tab; do you have [X]  Java all checkmarked?
[06:53] <xlinux__> and it didnt do anything?
[06:53] <eljefe> xlinux__: gave this error:
[06:53] <hendaus> wait
[06:54] <eljefe> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".  Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:54] <thoreauputic> hendaus: then try purging the java package and reinstalling it , then doing the update-alternatives command again - I can't think why it isn't working
[06:54] <xlinux__> which drivers are you running?
[06:54] <eljefe> thoreauputic: that gave the same output as glxgears --help
[06:54] <intelikey> i just noticed that i don't even have glxgears
[06:55] <hendaus> eljefe:  yes eneble java, and javascript
[06:55] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok let me try
[06:55] <eljefe> xlinux__: nvidia... but not the 'new' package
[06:55] <thoreauputic> eljefe: well, just "glxgears" works fine here
[06:55] <eljefe> hmm
[06:55] <klobster> hendaus: swiftfox, or firefox?
[06:56] <xlinux__> that should be fine.. I dont know if the repo drivers have glxgears.. I had to use the drivers from nvidias website
[06:56] <intelikey> yeah did here the one time i ran it.   i don't even know why the command is not there now....
[06:56] <thoreauputic> eljefe: what does  "  glxinfo | grep direct  " say?
[06:56] <eljefe> i have a Modules section entry in my xorg.conf named 'glx' (lowercase), should i try changing that to uppercase?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> no
[06:57] <eljefe> k
[06:57] <thoreauputic> eljefe: answer my previous question please
[06:57] <xlinux__> intelikey, you used the downloaded drivers?
[06:57] <eljefe> thoreauputic: lots of 'Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". ' but basically the same as above
[06:57] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i forgot to told u that yesterday i make install bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin  <-- how can i uninstall it from kubuntu
[06:57] <thoreauputic> eljefe: it should say "direct rendering yes"
[06:58] <intelikey> xlinux__ drivers ?     what are you on about ?    my nvidia card is not supported.
[06:58] <eljefe> how do i check my driver from TCL ?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> hendaus: ah,,, you have confused the system
[06:58] <xlinux__> eljefe.. does anything 3d work for you?
[06:58] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:58] <Jack3> how do i use ssl in konversation
[06:58] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  maybe :(, can u help me how to uninstall it from kubuntu
[06:58] <eljefe> hendaus: aah HA!  that's totally it, thoreauputic is right
[06:58] <xlinux__> intelikeyL huh? im on a 7600, what do you have?
[06:58] <kalorin> wow
[06:59] <kalorin> anyone seen a pdf document that kubuntu wouldn't open?
[06:59] <eljefe> xlinux__: what to test?  i don't have g-earth installed and i don't think anything else really matters..
[06:59] <kalorin> really strange
[06:59] <intelikey> xlinux__ riva128 agp
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you will have to painfully track down the files it installed, I think
[06:59] <eljefe> kalorin: i've seen one that Adobe wouldn't but KPDF would...
[06:59] <hendaus> thoreauputic:
[06:59] <hendaus> i dont know
[06:59] <kalorin> eljefe: yeah
[06:59] <kalorin> this is really odd, last years tax return it can't seem to get an idea of what to do with
[06:59] <thoreauputic> hendaus: sorry - but installing from rpm is just not supported really
[06:59] <ubuntu__> hi
[06:59] <eljefe> what is a 3d application that i can test?
[06:59] <kalorin> it's clearly a pdf
[07:00] <eljefe> other thank glxgears ;)
[07:00] <ubuntu__> who can help me
[07:00] <kalorin> I can vi it and see at the top that it's saying it's some .pdf varient
[07:00] <intelikey> xlinux__ and it seems that riva128 is only supported as pci    best i can gather.
[07:00] <xlinux__> hmm... im not sure.. I use nexuiz and beryl to verify my 3d
[07:00] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i forgot to told u that yesterday i make install bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin  <-- how can i uninstall it from kubuntu, this is not rpm?
[07:00] <eljefe> ubuntu__: what is it? just ask away!
[07:00] <xlinux__> intelikey.. have you contacted nvidia?
[07:00] <eljefe> xlinux__: lol i don't have that running
[07:00] <xlinux__> theyre bound to have a driver
[07:01] <intelikey> xlinux__ why should it   the card is old   all they want to do is sell new hardware.
[07:01] <ubuntu__> which samba os suitable for my kubuntu
[07:01] <ubuntu__> which samba is suitable for my kubuntu
[07:01] <thoreauputic> hendaus: ah sorry - same deal, you will have to find the files it installed - try  " sudo updatedb && locate java | less " as a start
[07:01] <intelikey> xlinux__ why should it  /  why should i
[07:01] <sivaji> !samba
[07:01] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:02] <xlinux__> hmm.. I would think they would have some provisions.. they have drivers for the geforce 2 etc... these are cards far older than yours
[07:02] <eljefe> hmmm apparently i DOJNJ'T have any 3d or OpenGL running; i think ithis is tied with recent updates and my DVD's DMS getting turned off... anyone know why this would be?
[07:02] <Jack3> how do i use ssl in konversation
[07:02] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  i type this: hendaus@hendaus:~$ sudo updatedb && locate java | less " as a start
[07:02] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:02] <hendaus> and i got this: >
[07:03] <xlinux__> well eljefe.. If you have a 7600, I can help you get the downloaded drivers installed...
 theyre bound to have a driver  <<<  if it was a "BIG" deal, i'd persue it...          and are sure that gforce2 predates y2k ?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> hendaus: no quotes - just  type   sudo updatedb && locate java | less
[07:03] <eljefe> I had them installed, thanks!!  i am going to reboot, see if these updates will take a bit better (or not!)   :( uptime: 5days 6hrs 21min
[07:04] <thoreauputic> hmmm bye bye hendaus
[07:04] <eljefe> lol
[07:04] <eljefe> brb peops
[07:04] <xlinux__> well, im almost positive the geforce2 has far less than 128mb... I remember one of the Geforce cards Ive seen had 64MB dedicated.. yours is 64mb ded/ 64mb shared right?
[07:05] <intelikey> xlinux__ i think mine has 16m vidio ram...   where did you get 128m ?
[07:05] <hendaus> back
[07:05] <xlinux__> haha riva 128
[07:05] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  sorry i got dc, so how could i uninstall the jave that i gave u
[07:05] <sivaji> is there any way switch from i368 os to amd
[07:06] <xlinux__> that card may be a little too old.. its bs they dont support it though.. I bet my card wont be supported in a few years
[07:06] <thoreauputic> hendaus: AS I said, try to locate the files and then remove them - you have made a mess I'm afraid
[07:07] <thoreauputic> hendaus:  sudo updatedb && locate java | less   is just a fairly easy way to see everyhting related to java - it will take a while and have a lot of output
[07:08] <sivaji> !gentoo
[07:08] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> sivaji: gentoo is also a file manager
[07:09] <thoreauputic> !info gentoo
[07:09] <ubotu> gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[07:09] <Jack3> wtf
[07:09] <Jack3> How do i use ssl in konversation
[07:09] <intelikey> VGA compatible controller: NVidia / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128       so is that thing supposed to have 128m vidio ram ?    if so i do need a driver cause the scroll back buffer is small enough to fit in 4m     and i want the full scroll back ability.
[07:09] <kalorin> hey, new ati drivers are out!
[07:10] <kalorin> not at 1am
[07:10] <sivaji> thoreauputic i got amd machine but my os is i386 based is there any way to switch to amd based os
[07:10] <intelikey> anyone know ?
[07:11] <intelikey> sivaji you can run an amd kernel.   search the package database.
[07:11] <DaSkreech> I do!!
[07:11] <thoreauputic> sivaji: umm - amd is just a chip manufacturer - do you mean amd64 ?
[07:11] <sivaji> yes
[07:12] <intelikey> in that case it's a reinstall
[07:12] <thoreauputic> sivaji: there is an amd64 version of (k)ubuntu
[07:12] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok after showing the files , what should i do, please help me coz i dont like to make any confusing
[07:12] <intelikey> but i don't know if you want to.
[07:12] <xlinux__> ubotu, you forgot PCLinuxOS
[07:13] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you will have to try to figure out which files are from your earlier install and remove them - I can't really help with that
[07:13] <intelikey> !bot | xlinux__
[07:13] <binks_> !ubutu
[07:13] <ubotu> xlinux__: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubutu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <eljefe> well... for some reason the driver had been changed to 'nv' so i changed that, and the reboot seemed to fix my DVD's dma issue.... not sure why but i'm back up
[07:13] <sivaji>    thoreauputic      yes i know now i want to switch to that without reinstalling
[07:13] <xlinux__> hey thats fine hes a bot
[07:13] <thoreauputic> sivaji: you can't
[07:13] <xlinux__> hes still left out PCLinuxOS
[07:13] <eljefe> xlinux__: so now that i have glxgears running, how do i see the frame rate?  i have a 5200 :(
[07:14] <thoreauputic> sivaji: it's a whole architectural change for the operating system
[07:14] <hendaus> thoreauputic: ok what is command to to remove from javas from konsole?
[07:14] <intelikey> eljefe man glxgears
[07:14] <binks_> eljefe: glxgears --printfps i think
[07:14] <eljefe> lol ok
[07:14] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  sorry to remove javas from konsole
[07:14] <ubuntu__> how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??
[07:14] <xlinux__> open glxgears in a terminal and see what output in the terminal is
[07:14] <thoreauputic> hendaus: .... umm, not one command - you have to find and remove all the stuff
[07:14] <sivaji> thoreauputic do u this is it better to install amd64 version of (k)ubuntu
[07:14] <xlinux__> what do you guys think about PCLOS?
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sivaji: most people who want easy multimedia support use the i386 version on amd64
[07:15] <intelikey> --iacknowledgethatthisisnotabeanchmark    or some such....
[07:15] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  this one for example? /var/lib/dpkg/info/libhsqldb-java.postinst
[07:15] <eljefe> xlinux__: i look to be about 850fps, what were you getting?
[07:15] <binks_> hmm they changed lxgears no fps
[07:15] <thoreauputic> sivaji: unless you *need* 64 bit it probably isn't worth it
[07:15] <thoreauputic> hendaus: umm, no
[07:15] <binks_> xlinux__: what cmd you use
[07:16] <xlinux__> eljefe: im getting 5300, but im on a 7600
[07:16] <eljefe> it skyrockets if i hide the glxgears window though!
[07:16] <xlinux__> binks: glxgears      in a terminal
[07:16] <ubuntu__> how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??(i mean repairing)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> hendaus: sorry but I can't really help you - you have installed two conflicting things and that is why it is broken, I'm afraid
[07:16] <eljefe> glxgears -info btw
[07:16] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  so if i found different from dpkgs what should i type to remove one by one?
[07:17] <binks_>  on mesa drivers is there a fiesty ati driver out yet
[07:17] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you would normally just use the " rm " command - but it is risky since you don't really know what to do :)
[07:17] <binks_> 5700 fps ^^
[07:18] <binks_> typo sorry 2700 fps on my 9600 mesa driver
[07:18] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  but i want anyone help me with that, and let done these problems :(
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hendaus: your earlier java install has probably installed various files in the wrong places
[07:18] <thoreauputic> hendaus: I don't have a magic wand, sorry :)
[07:18] <DaSkreech> sivaji: What are you trying to do?
[07:19] <sivaji> DaSkreech what do u  want
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: What are you trying to fix?
[07:19] <hendaus> thoreauputic:  anyway thanx for your help
[07:19] <ubuntu__> how to defrag KUBUNTU?????
[07:19] <DaSkreech> !defrag
[07:19] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> hendaus: no problem - good luck
[07:19] <intelikey> ubuntu__ ?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> ubuntu__: you don't need to - and please don't shout
[07:20] <thoreauputic> !caps
[07:20] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> sivaji: nothing I saw you asking something about a reinstall
[07:20] <ubuntu__> yes
[07:21] <ubuntu__> how to repair without format
[07:21] <intelikey> hendaus you can try reinstalling the java package from the repos and see if it will fix your mess....     apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install <package-name-here>
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: repair what?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> hendaus: you could try   sudo apt-get -f install
[07:21] <DaSkreech> What's broken?
[07:21] <sivaji>    DaSkreech        ya ubuntu__ asked something i want to know whether it is possible or not
[07:22] <intelikey> that should over write the thing an "maybe" repair it...   wont hurt anything.
[07:22] <ubuntu__> all kubuntu
[07:22] <DaSkreech> sivaji: what was it?
[07:22] <intelikey> hendaus do as root of course.  ^  sudo
[07:22] <ubuntu__> my kubuntu very slow
[07:23] <ubuntu__> then my windows
[07:23] <sivaji> DaSkreech "how to reinstall  kubuntu without format??(i mean repairing)"
[07:23] <DaSkreech> repair what?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: How slow? How fast is your computer?
[07:23] <ubuntu__> the all system to keep kubuntu runnung fast
[07:24] <sivaji> ubuntu__ check whether u hava swap partition
[07:24] <ubuntu__> the all system to keep kubuntu running fast
[07:24] <ubuntu__> i have that
[07:24] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: How big is it?
[07:24] <ubuntu__> 500
[07:24] <thoreauputic> ubuntu__: you are not making a lot of sense here - what is your first language?
[07:25] <DaSkreech> how much RAM do you have?
[07:25] <ubuntu__> english
[07:25] <bacongrease> hi all -- ubuntu 7.07 GNOME desktop recognizes my 2ndary harddrive (NTFS partition)
[07:25] <ubuntu__> 512
[07:25] <intelikey> may i enquire as to the nature of that line of questioning ?     are you thinking that he has a memory leak and it's into swap causing the slow down ?
[07:25] <bacongrease> login into KDE, i cant see it
[07:25] <ubuntu__> how?
[07:25] <intelikey> !ntfs | bacongrease
[07:26] <ubotu> bacongrease: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:26] <sivaji> ubuntu__ u know something called kb mb gb
[07:26] <ubuntu__> yes
[07:26] <ubuntu__> 512 mb
[07:26] <intelikey> if it's ram and it's 512   i doubt that the m is needed....
[07:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: No just want to know if he has like 200 megs of RAM
[07:27] <DaSkreech> lots of folks have that Double your RAM thing
[07:27] <intelikey> been a long time sense 512k  and will be a while before 512g
[07:27] <ubuntu__> ok
[07:27] <thoreauputic> I have 512 MBRAM and 512 MB swap, and it works fine...
[07:28] <sivaji> ubuntu__ linux can run in 4mb ram u got 512mb ram more that enough
[07:28] <EtherBunny> this probably won't help much.. but try "sudo prelink --all"?
[07:28] <intelikey> i have one box with 64m ram and no swap and it works fine.   another with 256M and no swap and it works fine.
[07:28] <ubuntu__> how to keep fast running into my kubuntu
[07:28] <bacongrease> intelikey - the weblink talks about using gnome browser to verify the mounting is correct and etc etc, but under gnome i am already able to see and access the drive (only in kde i cannot see it)
[07:29] <thoreauputic> sivaji: if you can get Ubuntu to run in 4 M RAM I would be impressed and surprised :)
[07:29] <intelikey> bacongrease konqueror   media://     not there ?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> sivaji: yes But Kubuntu cannot
[07:29] <sivaji> thoreauputic i said linux
[07:29] <kuma>  hi, im not sure if this is the right channel to do this question, but i try to ping a site and i get all the packages lost, but if i access it throug browser works fine, any idea what's hapenning?
[07:30] <thoreauputic> sivaji: ah so I see - I read the nickas part of the line, sorry :)
[07:30] <bacongrease> intelikey -- for media i see CDROM and Floppy, no IDE1.  (however, ide1 is seen in KInfoCenter)
[07:30] <DaSkreech> bacongrease: where would you like the drive to appear?
[07:31] <bacongrease> daskreech  /media is fine   (the disk is actually named media, and it contains my mp3s =) )
[07:31] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:31] <DaSkreech> as well as whole heap of stuff more
[07:31] <DaSkreech> bacongrease: have you installed MP3 support for KDE?
[07:32] <bacongrease> a small heap
[07:32] <ubuntu__> i want to fix my kubuntu  to running very well before this
[07:32] <thoreauputic> !docs | ubuntu__
[07:32] <ubotu> ubuntu__: documentation is to be found at http://help.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com - General linux documentation: http://www.tldp.org - http://rute.2038bug.com
[07:32] <bacongrease> well, thats interesting, because amarok says i have no mp3 support, yet XMMS will play mp3 songs fine (under either gnome or kde)
[07:33] <bacongrease> and i have used the package manaegr to installed all the packages amarok told me is necessary to support mp3
[07:33] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:33] <thoreauputic> bacongrease: right - different methods - you need libxine-extracodecs  for amarok I think
[07:34] <thoreauputic> !info libxine-extracodecs
[07:34] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[07:35] <intelikey> DaSkreech comming or going ?
[07:36] <bacongrease> bad thunderstorms in houston..knocked out power for a second and computer acting funny as a whole...will reboot
[07:36] <DaSkreech> intelikey: comming for a bit
[07:36] <intelikey> k just checking.
[07:39] <intelikey> anyone know how to clear this " dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES  "   so it's not regestered anymore ?
[07:40] <intelikey> i mean i use LC_ALL=C   i hardly need to reinstall those local* files...
[07:42] <thoreauputic> intelikey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales perhaps? Or localegen ? Just a couple of guesses...
[07:42] <intelikey> ah crap.  never mind   it's in the .list  files for all the packages
[07:42] <kalorin> ok that's whacked
[07:43] <kalorin> my tax return .pdf wouldn't open in kpdf, but opens fine on the windows vmware with adobe
[07:43] <kalorin> ah well, bed time now
[07:43] <thoreauputic> intelikey: practically everything in the known universe uses LC_MESSAGES it seems ;)
[07:44] <intelikey> thoreauputic yeah that what i was just looking at.    and dpkg -S    is scanning the .list files  i think,,,  so i'd have to   sed  them to remove that... not worth it.
[07:45] <intelikey> i probably broke dpkg again....    doesn't matter i'm backed up.
[07:46] <DaSkreech> dang
[07:46] <intelikey> i also have a memory leak/bug
[07:46] <DaSkreech> intelikey: where is it from?
[07:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech kernel i think
[07:47] <intelikey> DaSkreech and i'm running the latest security/update  form the lts release
[07:47] <xlinux__> whats the network/ server for PCLOS.. im curious about it
[07:48] <DaSkreech> intelikey: viva la LTS!
[07:48] <DaSkreech> xlinux__: check http://distrowatch.com
[07:48] <tahsin> intelikey: why cant ppl see my display pictue on kopete ?
[07:49] <intelikey> beets me.
[07:49] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Which protocol ?
[07:49] <thoreauputic> tahsin: they are not wearing their glasses ?
[07:49] <intelikey> kopete is like an aim/msn thing ?    i never touch the stuff...
[07:50] <tahsin> DaSkreech: msn
[07:50] <EtherBunny> you could try kmess instead of kopete
[07:50] <xlinux__> hmmm no irc info...
[07:50] <DaSkreech> !amsn
[07:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:50] <intelikey> !info amsn
[07:50] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96+dfsg1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2488 kB, installed size 9108 kB
[07:51] <intelikey> who told me that was gtk  the other day ?
[07:51] <intelikey> says writen in tcl
[07:51] <DaSkreech> An idiot impressing other idiots
[07:51] <tahsin> DaSkreech: what do i do now ?
[07:51] <aubade> Yeah, Tcl/Tk.
[07:52] <DaSkreech> tahsin: what other protocols do you use other than MSN?
[07:52] <tahsin> DaSkreech: none only MSN
[07:52] <DaSkreech> tahsin: install amsn and use that
[07:53] <DaSkreech> it only cares about the MSN protocol so it's likely to be more in sync with the changes on the MSN server
[07:53] <tahsin> DaSkreech: so you mean they wont be able to see my display pic if i use kopete ?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> They change the server like every two weeks. it's really annoying trying to keep up
[07:53] <tahsin> DaSkreech: okay ill try amsn
[07:54] <intelikey> they have too    crackers like DaSkreech keep crashing them....
[07:54] <tahsin> DaSkreech: and is there a yahoo messenger with voice for linux ?
[07:54] <intelikey> oh sorry :)
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: they probably will be able to but you may be doing something slightly wrong (as I recall some protocols have specific settings) or it may happen suddenly on the next update
[07:54] <Andrew``> how do I find out what versionof Xorg i have
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: but since you only care about MSN Amsn is probably more your cup of tea
[07:54] <tahsin> DaSkreech: i have tried aMsn but didnt like the interface
[07:54] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Yeah kopete :0
[07:55] <tahsin> DaSkreech: you mean i can make pc to phone calls using yahoo frm kopote
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Andrew``: try something like X --version
[07:55] <intelikey> Xorg -version
[07:55] <DaSkreech> tahsin: hmm never tried that.. not sure
[07:55] <tahsin> DaSkreech: did you try Kmess ? is it good ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Never heard of it
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !info kmess
[07:56] <ubotu> kmess: Instant messenger to use MSN on KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1067 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[07:56] <tahsin> DaSkreech: is it good ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: I stay as far away from MSN as I can
[07:56] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol why ?
[07:56] <DaSkreech> tahsin: Never used it :) ask in #kde
[07:57] <tahsin> DaSkreech: why :s
[07:57] <tahsin> DaSkreech: dont u have frnds who use msn ?
[07:57] <dogatemycomputer> hey.. is there a gui config utility somewhere that allows you to edit xorg.conf directly?   I don't :)
[07:58] <tahsin> lol
[07:58] <livingdaylightg> Can someone tell me how i upgrade the repos so i have all proprieatary multimedia codecs?
[07:58] <tahsin> DaSkreech: does amsn have the now playing plug-in ?
[07:58] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf       kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf       etc etc etc
[07:59] <livingdaylightg> !medibuntu
[07:59] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: No clue
[07:59] <tahsin> DaSkreech: okay
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: last time I used amsn it was less than two months old
[07:59] <tahsin> So not too msn fans here i see
[07:59] <DaSkreech> tahsin: probably are I'm just not one of them
[07:59] <tahsin> too many*
[07:59] <tahsin> i c
[07:59] <intelikey> tahsin not too many M$ fan's piriod in here.
[08:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: MS isn't MSN
[08:00] <tahsin> lol
[08:00] <DaSkreech> related :)
[08:00] <livingdaylightg> !multimedia
[08:00] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[08:00] <tahsin> DaSkreech: whats new on fiesty ? im using 6.10
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Umm
[08:00] <dogatemycomputer> i'm not referring to a text editor.. i'm talking about a gui that an average idiot could use with some pulldowns and such..
[08:00] <intelikey> DaSkreech did i misread you ?   did you say msn is not M$ related ?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> I forget :)
[08:01] <DaSkreech> intelikey: No I said they are just related
[08:01] <intelikey> k
[08:01] <tahsin> let me try amsn and kmess
[08:01] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer but.
[08:01] <tahsin> where are you guys from ?
[08:02] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer but,  i am and avarage idiot...
[08:02] <intelikey> ah!
[08:02] <DaSkreech> tahsin: the internet :)
[08:02] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol i mean in real life
[08:03] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i think there is something in the kmenu about display  but i've never seen it.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> tahsin: real life is ust a psychological crutch
[08:03] <dogatemycomputer> nevermind.. sorry for asking..  science knows I couldn't expect a more intelligent answer.
[08:03] <DaSkreech> tahsin: My name is Tomas a Anderson I work for a respectable software company and I take out my elderly neighbour's garbage
[08:04] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: no it didn't
[08:04] <tahsin> DaSkreech: :s
[08:04] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer and when you say "edit xorg.conf directly"   what are we supposed to think ?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> tahsin: bah. you are no fun :-P
[08:04] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol
[08:05] <tahsin> DaSkreech: cant seem to find the now plaing plugin in AMSN
[08:05] <DaSkreech> tahsin: write it :)
[08:06] <tahsin> DaSkreech: lol....that would mean im going backwards
[08:06] <tahsin> backwards with linux
[08:06] <DaSkreech> how come?
[08:07] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: i'm referring to a gui that allows an idiot to edit xorg.conf in a confined manner so they can't do something to damage it.  When I say "gui".. that doesn't mean a "text editor" .. and the very fact that the responses were so short sighted to assume an idiot could edit them in a text editor.. that gives me the inclination that nobody bothered to even consider the question
[08:07] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: honestly.. its the normal response I would expect from linux users.. and the alienating attitude that keeps average people from adopting linux to start with.
[08:09] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: tell me.. would you expect your windows-using grandmother to just fire up kate, somehow figuring out how to get it to launch as root, then subsequently manage to edit the file without damaging anything while at the same time, for example, being able to fix a resolution or refresh problem?
[08:09] <intelikey> that was fun.
[08:09] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: well, I believe there are projects hapenning to improve such matters
[08:09] <intelikey> now dogatemycomputer i'll answer your question.     "yes"
[08:09] <intelikey> happy ?
[08:09] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: I didn't ask "is there a project underway that would provide a gui to edit xorg.conf for the average idiot?"... no..  that's not the question asked..
[08:09] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer:  *shrug*
[08:10] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: the question I asked is weather there is a gui available to directly edit the xorg.conf that the average idiot could use?
[08:10] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer i answered your "origenal" question.    "yes"
[08:10] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: kate, nano, kwrite, there are lots.
[08:11] <dogatemycomputer> nevermind guys..  its hopeless
[08:11] <intelikey> fdoving "directly edit the xorg.conf"   doesn't mean "directly edit the xorg.conf"   we are not reinturpreting his words propperly.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> intelikey: What's it called?
[08:11] <fdoving> intelikey: editing is something one does with an editor.
[08:11] <DaSkreech> fdoving: he means indirectly edit the xorg.conf
[08:12] <fdoving> DaSkreech: like editing a copy?
[08:12] <intelikey> DaSkreech i don't know.  it's in the kmenu.   the pointy clicky thingy for changing the screen size...
[08:12] <DaSkreech> fdoving: that doesn't mean the correct answer is now ssh -> screen -> nano
[08:12] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: what do they want to change
[08:12] <DaSkreech> ?
[08:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: that would allow you to edit the resolution?
[08:12] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: are you looking for something like system settings -> Monitor & Display ?
[08:12] <intelikey> fdoving no.  you have to edit that file with a pointy clicky thingy.      we are just too stupid to understand that.
[08:13] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : You can change this from control panel --> Root can log in like an user account. Then you will have all root... And you can do anything like windows
[08:13] <fdoving> DaSkreech: yes, krandrtray allows you to change the resolution.
[08:13] <intelikey> fdoving yes you named it.   ^   :)
[08:13] <DaSkreech> ah neat
[08:13] <DaSkreech> I'll try and find it tomorrow
[08:13] <intelikey> but i fell that hardly qulifies as  "directly edit the xorg.conf"
[08:14] <intelikey> feel
[08:14] <livingdaylightg> In Add/Remove programs i've tried to add the restricted format... it asks me for kubuntu cd.... Can i not get the program to point directly to repositories? In Ubuntu i did not have to insert a cd...
[08:14] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: I checked "monitor and display" but you can't edit, for example, refresh rates..
[08:15] <binks_> ok is there a way to delete from my 250 gb hdd without it going into my recycle bin as its on a 20gb drive and i am deleteing a large set of files
[08:15] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer if you want to "edit" use an editor.
[08:15] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : Do what I sait ;)
[08:15] <livingdaylightg> can someone please take pity on me?
[08:15] <aubade> @pity livingdaylightg
[08:15] <livingdaylightg> :(
[08:15] <aubade> Oooh, the bot's slow tonight.
[08:16] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: unless the monitor is not attached when you start X, you don't need to edit the refreshrates. they are autoprobed by the ddc and edid-things.
[08:16] <dogatemycomputer> yeniklasor: yeah.. sure.. "grandmom.. just fire up kate, load it as root and edit the file.. but be careful.. don't change something or X won't load anymore and you'll have to send me the laptop if you want it fixed"..
[08:16] <intelikey> i would but your nick wont tab complete. "livingdaylightg"
[08:16] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  :)
[08:16] <intelikey> you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line.
[08:16] <fdoving> livingdaylight: if you close down add/remove programs, and start kmenu->system->adept manager, then go to Adept->Manage Repositories you can select that.
[08:17] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: if they were always autoprobed correctly then why would the option be listed in xorg.conf at all?  the problem is that, historically, that's not always true.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: but Grandma won't like that either I guess :)
[08:17] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i am in VMware so everything is a little different and new here for me
[08:17] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: well, nowdays X doesn't really need a config anymore.
[08:17] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i'm trying to set my kubuntu up in vmware
[08:18] <intelikey> livingdaylightg fdoving gave you a "gui" way.  i mentioned a terminal way.   take your pick.
[08:18] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: what exactly is the point of this? Feel free to submit a wish-list bug...
[08:18] <yeniklasor> dogatemycomputer : What are you meaning of that? Grandmo you can use windows and I will formatting your laptop every month :)
[08:18] <dogatemycomputer> honestly.. the reason i'm asking is because I think there should be a utility out there that looks at xorg.conf, populates the gui fields and allows "acceptable" pulldown options for every line including the ability to comment stuff out or enable it.. and it should be able to save the changes and confirm the entries are valid then test them for accuracy and revert if something doesn't work.. (failsave script)..
[08:18] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: i missed the links...
[08:18] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: submit a wishlist bug on launchpad...
[08:18] <smithw> dogatemycomputer: I couldn't agree more.
[08:19] <livingdaylightg> why wont my name autocomplete?
[08:19] <DaSkreech> livingdaylightg: take out the cdrom from your sources.list
[08:19] <smithw> If python-kde wasn't so underdocumented, I'd even do that myself.
 livingdaylight: if you close down add/remove programs, and start kmenu->system->adept manager, then go to Adept->Manage Repositories you can select that. <<<>>> <intelikey> you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line.
[08:19] <dogatemycomputer> okay.. now.. if there is such a utility then i'm not inclined to recreate the wheel and I assume (probably incorrectly based on the attitude of some holier than thou responses) that if such a utility exists then someone would point me in the right direction.
[08:19] <DaSkreech> binks_: use shift
[08:20] <dogatemycomputer> If such a utility doesn't exist then i'm interested in writing such a utility as my first journey into C++ in the next few months..
 why wont my name autocomplete? <<< because livingdaylight: beat you to it.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: when did you first notice your attitude problem ?
[08:20] <binks_> DaSkreech: i dont understand
[08:20] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: actually i am livingdaylight
[08:20] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: there exists utilities similar to your descrtiption, but they are not GUI ones, they are ncurses ones, because you usually need it when X doesn't work well.
[08:20] <livingdaylightg> but i got the damn g there at the end(misstake)
[08:21] <intelikey> livingdaylightg anyway  you did see the two answers above ?     they are the same answer just two ways to get there.
[08:21] <dogatemycomputer> fdoving: I don't disagree but that's the problem.. we would need a utility that allows basic editing then testing to confirm it works.. and if Xorg fails to restart then restore the default (or origional) xorg.conf and restart X again.  It would be very similar to Windows except I think you should be permitted more granular control without having to enter the command line interface.
[08:22] <binks_> dogatemycomputer: how you learning c++ a book or online im interested as i want to learn
[08:22] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: then you would need a backened service running, checking that X org failed, then revert and restart.
[08:22] <DaSkreech> binks_: you are deleting in the GUI?
[08:23] <DaSkreech> binks_: and you don't want it in the Trash ?
[08:23] <fdoving> dogatemycomputer: or you could test the settings in a new X session on another display.
[08:23] <thoreauputic> dogatemycomputer: there has been discussion on the -dev mailing list about a sane fallback if X config fails on install
[08:23] <livingdaylightg> intelikey: yes, i've unticked the cd rom in the Manage Repositories dialog
[08:23] <binks_> deleting and yes not in trash
[08:23] <binks_> i just used sudo rm -r path and its worked
[08:23] <DaSkreech> binks_: hold down shift when you are deleting itt
[08:23] <dogatemycomputer> binks_: i'm going to take a fundemental courses later this year.. and i'm pairing that with Sam's Teach Yourself series.  Their books are very detailed and don't assume previous knowledge which is why I like them.
[08:23] <DaSkreech> It won't go to trash
[08:24] <binks_> DaSkreech: cheers
[08:24] <smithw> why doesn't xorg allow changing resolution etc. dynamically, without restarting itself, in the first place?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> dogatemycomputer: there seems to be a whole bunch of assumptions
[08:24] <fdoving> smithw: it does. google xrandr.
[08:24] <_4strO> smithw: in fact it does
[08:24] <dogatemycomputer> thoreauputic: well.. alot of the discussions i've seen center around correcting the problem after it fails (and this is usually done during the intiial configuration from the cli.. i'm more interested in giving users the ability to edit the configuration in a more transparent mode without actually making them edit the file itself)..
[08:25] <livingdaylightg> Guys, are we preferring Synaptic? is it still standard to be changing adept to synaptic as a first thing to do in Kubuntu?
[08:25] <livingdaylightg> someone got the command to change nick?