[13:58]  * penguin42 tries to deal with EOn next who are logging me into someone elses account
[15:50] <daftykins> :O
[15:50] <daftykins> what's that, an energy company?
[17:28] <daftykins> cor what a gloomy day today
[17:30] <penguin42> yeh, energy company


[03:56] <jtv> bigjools: could you sanity-check my updated tftp directory layout at the bottom of this document?  https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1lpaxXmABGz7ytfc7TrXHCwin7B08EJBEHVyG92KO2qw/edit#
[03:56] <bigjools> jtv: yup
[03:56] <jtv> Thanks.
[03:57] <bigjools> jtv: we have a call shortly, we can discuss?
[03:59] <jtv> Yes
[04:01] <bigjools> jtv: ok waiting for you on skype
[04:01] <jtv> Coming
[05:41] <bigjools> *cobblerrage*
[05:45] <bigjools> jtv: have you seen cobbler just suddenly decide to stop authenticating on the web ui?
[05:45] <bigjools> the log says:
[05:45] <bigjools> Wed Jun 13 05:39:20 2012 - INFO | REMOTE invalid token; user(???)
[06:48] <jtv> bigjools: you get that exact authentication failure if your token has expired — or for any other kind of problem with the token IIRC.
[06:48] <bigjools> jtv: yes I know, but I am logging in to the web ...
[06:48] <jtv> Ah
[10:45] <Daviey> rbasak: Hey, jtc mentioned that you said pxelinux.cfg/default cannot be customised for different architectures
[10:45] <Daviey> I'm missing your concern.
[10:45] <Daviey> jtv*
[10:45] <rbasak> You need to serve a different pxelinux.cfg/default for each architecture, eg. by having different pxelinux.cfg directories
[10:46] <rbasak> Otherwise you'll end up serving the wrong arch kernel
[10:46] <jtv> Hi rbasak
[10:46] <rbasak> Hello!
[10:46] <rbasak> Does that make sense?
[10:46] <Daviey> rbasak: I thought we were looking to make them arch named?
[10:46] <rbasak> You could for example have pxelinux.cfg/amd64/default and pxelinux.cfg/armhf/highbank/default
[10:47] <rbasak> Set DHCP "filename" to pxelinux.cfg/amd64/pxelinux.0
[10:47] <rbasak> Or pxelinux.cfg/armhf/highbank/pxelinux.0 if the highbank vendor string is detected
[10:47] <rbasak> But the default files need to be distinct, and pointed to by the dirname part of the DHCP filename entry
[10:48] <Daviey> rbasak: hwhat is wrong with dhcp 209?
[10:48] <jtv> Isn't pxelinux.cfg assumed to be in the same directory as the DHCP filename?
[10:48] <rbasak> Yes, exactly
[10:48] <rbasak> Daviey: dhcp 209: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot-linaro/+bug/927781/comments/2
[10:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 927781 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "PXELINUX implementation doesn't respect dhcp ConfigFile or PathPrefix values" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:49] <rbasak> Daviey: ie. no dhcp 209
[10:49] <Daviey> rbasak: 209 = pxelinux.cfg/default-armhf-highbank ?
[10:49] <Daviey> rbasak: i thought we were getting that bug fixed
[10:49] <rbasak> Daviey: AIUI, it's a wontfix because the feature is already supported via the filename dirname
[10:50] <rbasak> Justin did implement the 209 feature, but I don't think it went anywhere after that
[10:50] <Daviey> rbasak: before Justin left, he wrote a patch for 209
[10:50] <Daviey> hah
[10:50] <rbasak> jhobbs pointed out in comment 2 that the existing support is sufficient
[10:51] <rbasak> It's just a question of how we arrange the pxelinux.cfg directory
[10:51] <rbasak> And this is only really necessary for the default files
[10:51] <rbasak> You could for example only serve a subarchdirectory filename entry for unknown MACs, and for known MACs just make the MAC-based config file correct for the architecture that we know it is
[10:51] <rbasak> Assuming that we know the architecture as soon as we know the MAC
[10:52] <Daviey> well default file handling is a PITA
[10:53] <Daviey> we'd need /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/$arch/$flavour/default
[10:53] <rbasak> It isn't nice, but getting U-Boot support for 209 into every vendor firmware isn't really practical AFAICT
[10:53] <Daviey> rbasak: can you investigate if we can at least get that patch in trunk?
[10:54] <rbasak> That's a pretty big task to pick up
[10:54] <rbasak> I didn't even write the patch remember
[10:54] <rbasak> I'm not sure it's worth it given our current priorities
[10:55] <Daviey> rbasak: Yeah, i asked Justin to write the patch.. but i suspect he won't follow through with it now :)
[10:55] <Daviey> rbasak: current priority is pretty clear from #8.. we are still doing it wrong.
[10:55] <rbasak> I think we need to assume that the patch won't be present in vendor firmwares
[10:56] <jtv> If it helps, the question that's blocking us now is what would be a sensible directory structure for the files we need to serve on tftp.
[10:56] <rbasak> I'm not sure I understand what #8 means
[10:56] <Daviey> rbasak: it's a big task to submita pull request for this patch?
[10:56] <rbasak> We need to have a different kernel for every subarch
[10:57] <rbasak> Daviey: it's a big task to follow it through and potentially fix future bugs found in relation to the patch
[10:57] <Daviey> ok, fine, i'll just do it myself.
[10:57] <rbasak> If we need to have a different kernel for every subarch, we need to have a mapping from vendor class identifiers to our subarch names
[10:58] <rbasak> The mapping is within each default file
[10:59] <rbasak> Apart from the specific paths in use, I don't see how we could do it differently
[10:59] <rbasak> jtv: I think a sensible directory structure would be:
[10:59] <rbasak> pxelinux.cfg/amd64/{pxelinux.0,default}
[11:00] <rbasak> pxelinux.cfg/armhf/{armadaxp,highbank}/default
[11:00] <rbasak> pxelinux.cfg/combined/<mac>
[11:00] <rbasak> or if you don't like combined, just put each <mac> entry in the correct arch/subarch directory
[11:00] <jtv> Actually I wasn't expecting to be able to rearrange things inside the pxelinux.cfg directory… how do we tell clients what to look for in there?
[11:01] <rbasak> They look for their mac address in the directory that pxelinux.0 came from, which is specified by the DHCP filename field
[11:02] <jtv> So pxelinux.0 is inside the pxelinux.cfg?
[11:03] <rbasak> Oh, good point
[11:03] <jtv> (Stupid perpetual unity crashes…)
[11:03] <rbasak> I'm wrong. The pxelinux.cfg directory is expected to be in the same directory as pxelinux.0
[11:03] <jtv> That's what I thought.
[11:03] <rbasak> Let me try again
[11:03] <jtv> Have a look at the updated google doc.
[11:04] <rbasak> amd64/pxelinux.0
[11:04] <jtv> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1lpaxXmABGz7ytfc7TrXHCwin7B08EJBEHVyG92KO2qw/edit#
[11:04] <jtv> Near the bottom
[11:04] <rbasak> amd64/pxelinux.cfg/default
[11:04] <rbasak> armhf/{armadaxp,highbank}/pxelinux.cfg/default
[11:04] <jtv> The examples in the doc don't include release name yet though.
[11:04] <jtv> rbasak: the example you give is included there
[11:05] <jtv> ISTM we can create subdirectories for the initrds and kernels per release, and keep everything else as in the doc?
[11:07]  * jtv fiddles
[11:09] <jtv> There.  That's assuming that a node's specific config file will contain a reference to the right initrd/kernel, with its path.
[11:09] <jtv> Ooo, comments are flowing.  Thanks Robie.
[11:11] <rbasak> jtv, Daviey: would a quick G+ be worth it? I think it's important we get this right, I haven't made any mistakes and we're all clear on how this wil work :)
[11:13] <jtv> Sure.
[11:13] <jtv> Who wants to set up a hangout?
[11:14]  * rbasak does one
[11:18] <rbasak> Daviey: ?
[11:19] <Daviey> rbasak: I think 209 is the /right/ fix TBH
[11:19] <rbasak> Daviey: I agree, but I'm being pragmatic. It's never gonna happen.
[11:19] <rbasak> Since some vendors will never have caught up
[11:20] <Daviey> rbasak: you know we are stakeholders in defining this stuff, right?
[11:21] <Daviey> rbasak: we may well need to chainload into 'someting smarter' regardless.. Depending on embedded firmware for anything is a limitation we need to be careful folding into.
[11:22] <jtv> Daviey: coming into the hangout?
[11:22] <rbasak> Daviey: can you join our G+?
[22:30] <kurt_> Can anyone tell me what the mechanism is in maas that copies ssh keys from ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the boot image?


[03:34] <mhall119> popey: we don't always get a 404
[04:55] <doctormo> nhandler: Thanks!
[04:55] <doctormo> Got a number of good results.
[12:18] <duanedesign> nigelb: your blog is looking good
[16:53] <nigelb> duanedesign: Thanks :)
[16:56] <duanedesign> nigelb: i saw your tweet today and went to your blog and noticed you had done some work on it since last time I was their
[16:56] <duanedesign> nigelb: made me want to work on mine some :)
[16:56] <nigelb> duanedesign: my blog being on jekyll helps. I know exactly where the classes are etc since I wrote most of it from scratch
[17:07] <paultag> yo doctormo
[17:07] <paultag> duanedesign: ping
[17:07] <paultag> sorry duanedesign
[17:07] <paultag> I meant doctormo
[17:07] <paultag> but howareya there duanedesign :)
[17:43] <duanedesign> paultag: i am good.  Settling into my new job
[19:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[19:56] <nigelb> greg-g is famous!
[19:57] <nigelb> I mean, more famous than normal.
[19:57] <nigelb> www.annarbor.com/news/couple-organize-flash-wedding-on-university-of-michigan-campus-using-twitter-google-plus-and-other-s/
[19:59] <Pendulum> cool
[20:41] <greg-g> nigelb: :)
[20:43] <czajkowski> greg-g: had ye been planning it privately
[20:43] <czajkowski> greg-g: or just decided that week, yup gonna get married this week
[20:49] <greg-g> czajkowski: we had the marriage license in hand, but we weren't able to find a day within the month (when our license expired) to go to the judge to elope. So we just sent out a tweet one night and did it the next day :)
[20:53] <czajkowski> so the judge came to ye?
[22:02] <paultag> Hello, World!
[22:08] <duanedesign> hello
[22:10] <paultag> duanedesign: what's new?
[22:12] <duanedesign> paultag: started work at canonical few weeks ago. Working on Ubuntu One.  Oh perception.
[22:19] <duanedesign> paultag: do you read identi.ca
[22:19] <paultag> duanedesign: I have an identi.ca but I don't sit on it, no
[22:21] <greg-g> czajkowski: sorry, was in a coffee shop and left. Actually no, my coworker, who is a minister in the Universal Life Church, performed the ceremony.
[22:38] <duanedesign> greg-g: funny you mention that. i was just talking to my friend about that today (she is a minister in the Universal Life Church)
[23:01] <duanedesign> test
[23:02] <cjohnston> It didnt work
[23:02] <duanedesign> nope :(
[23:03] <duanedesign> trying to get notifications working for irssi over ssh
[23:05]  * cjohnston has irssi push to prowl to phone
[23:09] <cjohnston> jcastro is in GA
[23:15] <duanedesign> nice, irssi on your phone
[23:16] <cjohnston> not irssi.. just notification of ping/msg
[23:17] <duanedesign> aha. still that is nice
[23:24] <nhandler> I have the prowl thing. I've also been toying with irssi-proxy so I can use some of the ios irc clients with my irssi (it works better than trying to use the ssh clients)
[23:25] <nhandler> duanedesign: What script are you using and what problems are you having?
[23:43] <duanedesign> hello nhandler
[23:43] <duanedesign> nhandler: i was trying http://fluidmotion.dyndns.org/zenphoto/index.php?p=news&title=irssinotifypopupviassh


[15:14] <ahoneybun> mhall119: ping
[16:14] <mhall119> ahoneybun: pong
[16:16] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I see you saw the UbuntuHour results
[16:17] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I did, was adam outler there?
[16:19] <ahoneybun> he could not make it I think
[16:19] <ahoneybun> I'm sure Keith told him about it mhall119
[16:20] <mhall119> ah, too bad, he's a really interesting guy
[16:20] <ahoneybun> I've met him and agree
[16:21]  * ahoneybun starts making a slideshow for his Ubuntu Phone talk
[16:21] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I'll get a use out of those developer papers from SELF
[16:21] <mhall119> nice
[16:22] <mhall119> ahoneybun: have you heard back from Tom about your DVD art yet?
[16:22] <ahoneybun> yep taking some original pictures
[16:22] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I have not
[16:22] <mhall119> ok, I'll take a note to follow up with him tomorrow
[16:22] <ahoneybun> might hear back on monday
[16:23] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I may recruit you to help the Xubuntu team do the same, I think they have some art assets already, just needs to be put into DVD/sleeve formats
[16:23] <ahoneybun> mhall119: my talk will be a lightning talk so it will be quick
[16:23] <ahoneybun> mhall119: assuming that I made them right
[16:25] <mhall119> ahoneybun: where are you giving a lightning talk?
[16:26] <ahoneybun> a local FLUX event
[16:27] <mhall119> oh, cool
[16:27] <ahoneybun> Florida Linux Users Group
[16:27] <ahoneybun> no clue about the X
[16:27] <mhall119> is SWFLUG still around?
[16:27] <ahoneybun> no clue, I found FLUX and the other LUG though meetup
[16:28] <ahoneybun> all I know is everyone loved the spot I picked for the Ubuntu Hour
[16:35] <mhall119> the donut shop?
[16:42] <ahoneybun> yea
[17:01] <ahoneybun> mhall119: did you not see the awesome donuts?
[17:17] <ahoneybun> hey Nothing_Much
[17:17] <Nothing_Much> Hey ahoneybun
[17:52] <ahoneybun> mhall119: here is my slideshow so far: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2T1lDQjd4ZmZBWnM/view?usp=sharing
[18:34] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, That's pretty cool, except the dox thing, first and last name.
[18:34] <Nothing_Much> Are you adding more content to it?
[18:46] <ahoneybun> a bit
[18:47] <ahoneybun> I added a page about devices supported and QR codes to swappa for the devices
[18:48] <Nothing_Much> Nice
[18:48] <Nothing_Much> I'm curious, have you guys had time to see how terrifying Windows 10 is or just Ubuntu all the way? :D
[18:49] <ahoneybun> I've have not tried it
[18:50] <Nothing_Much> You don't want to
[18:50] <Nothing_Much> Imagine Facebook: The OS
[18:50] <Nothing_Much> Data mines *everything*
[18:51] <ahoneybun> oh boy
[18:51] <ahoneybun> Windows 8 was slow as hell
[18:52] <Nothing_Much> Windows 10 is more optimized
[18:52] <Nothing_Much> But it data mines *EVERYTHING*
[18:52] <ahoneybun> even 8.1 was not better
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: http://usefoss.com/
[18:56] <Nothing_Much> I wish I could go where you guys are heading
[18:56] <Nothing_Much> But unfortunately I have a slightly decent paying job and apartment I have to keep afloat
[18:56] <ahoneybun> where we're going?
[18:57] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:58] <Nothing_Much> Global Jam? Yeah, I can't go anywhere, really. I'd love to have a higher paying job if I had more social skills to work for a Linux company or coding skills.
[18:59] <ahoneybun> oh yea
[18:59] <ahoneybun> I'm planning something for Global Jam this cycle as well
[19:00] <ahoneybun> hopefully it will have more people
[19:01] <Nothing_Much> I'm not even sure what a global jam is
[19:01] <Nothing_Much> But I gotta head out now, work, see y'all
[22:32] <ahoneybun> mhall119: KeithIMyers Bryanstein https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2ZGF6aW41UE5FcDg/view?usp=sharing


[07:56] <DanChapman> good morning all :-)
[07:57] <Noskcaj> hey DanChapman
[07:58] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, hey there o/
[08:35] <pitti> hey DanChapman
[08:40] <jibel> Good morning
[09:19] <DanChapman> Hey pitti, and jibel o/
[09:32] <DanChapman> jibel, what does this mean "Not attempting to fix packaging branch ancestry, missing pristine tar data for version 2.17.1."?? I was going to merge lp:~dpniel/ubiquity/fix_1252215 and got that output :-\
[09:44] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:46] <DanChapman> morning slickymaster
[09:47] <slickymaster> hi DanChapman, and a good one to you, too
[11:14] <jibel> DanChapman, good morning, how did you get this error. It's usually when you attempt to build a package from a bzr checkout without a tarball I think
[11:22] <DanChapman> jibel, all I did was bzr merge lp:~dpniel/ubiquity/fix_1252215. And it displayed that message but still merged fine i presumed it was own to the branch version being greater than the latest source package listed in 'bzr tags'
[11:24] <DanChapman> i used a fresh branch of lp:ubiquity before the merge so I didn't change anything else apart from what was in the MP.
[11:32] <xnox> DanChapman: that's ok "missing pristine tar..." it's harmless and shouldn't prevent anything.
[11:33] <DanChapman> xnox, lovely cheers :-)
[11:34] <xnox> DanChapman: (long story, ubiquity is a native package therefore it has no "upstream" tarballs and bzr-bd isn't smart enough to detect that, and prints pointless warnings)
[11:35] <DanChapman> xnox oh i see, heh i spent an hour reading through bzr docs and wasn't getting anywhere :-D
[11:55] <jibel> hey everyone, Ubuntu membership board in 5min in #ubuntu-meeting if you want to support my application :-)
[11:55] <jibel> pitti, DanChapman xnox ^
[11:59] <DanChapman> jibel, sure :-)
[12:14] <pitti> jibel: there now; sorry, was away for a bit
[12:14] <jibel> pitti, no problem, it hasn't started yet
[12:15] <jibel> need 1 more member
[13:24] <balloons> gl jibel :-) Waiting for a quorum eh
[14:52] <hggdh> jibel: welcome to the Ubuntu Members official team!
[14:52] <hggdh> (just added you in)
[14:53] <hggdh> jibel: uff. Finally you did it.
[14:54] <hggdh> jibel: I am also sorry, I overslept. I wanted to be there for you.
[14:59] <knome> hey balloons
[15:00] <balloons> hey knome!
[15:00] <knome> better connectivity today?
[15:00] <balloons> we were drooling over your handiwork my friend
[15:00] <balloons> yes, no coffee shop
[15:00] <knome> :)
[15:01] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/ specifically
[15:01] <knome> balloons, heh, ta. :)
[15:02] <balloons> we had a good session this morning
[15:02] <balloons> I hope this one proves to be the same
[15:03] <knome> let's hope so
[15:03] <knome> i'll be hanging around in IRC
[15:03] <balloons> excellent
[15:04] <knome> and possibly watching the hangout at some point, if the other session turns out to be not so interesting
[15:07] <jibel> hggdh, Hey, thank you! Finally I made it \o/
[15:09] <hggdh> jibel: indeed. I will not ask you "why you have not yet applied" again...
[15:11] <hggdh> jibel: BTW, you can go and ask for your Ubuntu cloak now on #ubuntu-irc
[15:36] <knome> stgraber, what's the status on the visual updates for the trackers?
[16:00] <knome> balloons, i can help with setting up the tracker if my schedule allows
[16:01] <balloons> knome, I think it's th best option
[16:01] <balloons> it needs some love.. And I'd like to see it get that love for this and everything else
[16:01] <knome> :)
[16:02] <stgraber> knome: I got a few of those done in a local branch but I remember hitting a wall when I was working on it due to what's possible to do from a Drupal block (specifically related to the result submission block). I need to find some more time to go and dig into the Drupal API doc to figure out a way to make it work.
[16:02] <knome> stgraber, mhm, tell me if you need help with it
[16:02] <knome> bbiab ->
[16:03] <balloons> stgraber, we spoke about using the tracker for exploratory testing
[16:04] <balloons> but there are concerns because of the unneeded structure.. I think folks get lost because of how the site is nested.. In the case of exploratory testing the layout could be much simpler
[16:04] <balloons> I would rather see the tracker remain the tool of choice for recording this stuff
[16:12] <balloons> DanChapman, ping
[16:12] <DanChapman> balloons, pong
[16:13] <balloons> DanChapman, is this time ok with you? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22063/community-1311-quality-autopilot-image-testing/
[16:13] <balloons> I should have asked directly.. maybe I did..
[16:13] <balloons> it's UDS week, everything is jumbled
[16:15] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah that times fine for me :-) lol i did feel my presence would be needed when i looked through the schedule
[16:15] <balloons> DanChapman, yes.. indeed, you are a big piece :-)
[16:15] <DanChapman> balloons, I suppose it would be an idea to fill out the pad a bit before the session
[16:16] <balloons> DanChapman, well sure, filling out some detail is never a bad thing. You can see I've got a list of questions to answer
[16:17] <balloons> and we have the old pad to go through and review again
[16:17] <balloons> there's plenty to discuss
[16:52] <senan> DanChapman, Hey Dan
[16:52] <DanChapman> Good evening senan :-)
[16:53] <senan> DanChapman, Good Eve!!
[16:53] <senan> DanChapman, I've made some code change and pushed it
[16:53] <senan> can you please review it
[16:57] <DanChapman> senan, awesome! i will get to it as soon as I can :-)
[17:02] <balloons> hello Letozaf_, senan
[17:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello :D
[17:20] <senan> balloons, Helloooo...
[20:46] <robotfuel> balloons: ping


[03:38] <psusi> is there a way to search if launchpad already has a remote bug watch?
[12:34] <cristian_c> Hi
[12:34] <cristian_c> I'd like to change the question category in Answers
[12:34] <cristian_c> https://answers.launchpad.net/lubuntu-default-settings/+question/206269
[12:35] <cristian_c> What is the correct category where I can move it?
[12:35] <cristian_c> Any ideas?


[00:02] <merlin1991> hm muon keeps segfaulting on start
[00:02] <merlin1991> wtf?
[00:02] <merlin1991> more exactly, muon-installer does that
[00:38] <Kezryk> Can someone tell me why i can not login after i install Kubuntu. i enter info exactly but it stays on login
[00:40] <Kezryk> Anyone even here
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Kezryk: Yes, we're here
[00:41] <Kezryk> Is support here
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Not always watching the channel though, some of us are in a lot of different places :)
[00:41] <BarkingFish> Yes, this is the support channel.
[00:42] <BarkingFish> So you're trying to login, right?  Which display manager are you using? KDM?
[00:42] <Kezryk> I am trying to install Kubuntu, i have always been mswindows user, but want to try linux and i cant login after i install it
[00:43] <BarkingFish> So you have installed it, but now you can't logon, is that correct?
[00:43] <Kezryk> what ever th default is
[00:43] <Kezryk> yes
[00:44] <BarkingFish> Ok. I will tell you firstly, how to restart the display manager.
[00:44] <BarkingFish> wait until I have explained this, before you do it.
[00:45] <Kezryk> ok actually just reinstalling it
[00:45] <Kezryk> for the umteenth time
[00:45] <BarkingFish> keep this information though, just in case
[00:45] <BarkingFish> You need to press CTRL, ALT and F1 together, and try to login on a terminal.
[00:45] <popitnow> Maybe you should also try to log in with a text terminal
[00:45] <popitnow> ha
[00:45] <popitnow> :)
[00:45] <BarkingFish> if you can login there, type in   sudo service kdm restart  and hit enter
[00:46] <Kezryk> terminal server from windows will work??
[00:46] <BarkingFish> no, you need to do this from linux
[00:46] <Kezryk> I am totally green on linux
[00:47] <BarkingFish> once it's installed, you can do this even if you cannot login to kubuntu's desktop
[00:47] <BarkingFish> Kezryk: I guessed, since you said you were an mswindows user, which is why I'm teaching you :)
[00:47] <Kezryk> lol
[00:48] <BarkingFish> I'm ex-windows user too, left at Windows XP and came onto linux, never went back.
[00:49] <Kezryk> I like the looks of Kubuntu so far as i have seen it. but dont know how to do a darn thing
[00:49] <BarkingFish> So if once you've installed kubuntu, you follow the instructions I just gave you, see if you can login on a terminal. If not, you need to come back to us :)
[00:50] <BarkingFish> But stay here for now, in case you have any other questions. We don't bite. (much) :)
[00:50] <Kezryk> ok, thx
[00:51] <BarkingFish> if you can't login, incidentally, you need to come back to the GUI (the graphic bit)  - press CTRL, ALT and F7 or F8 to do that.
[00:51] <BarkingFish> That's why I tell people to wait until I've explained it all to them, because if they just jump in and go straight to the terminal, a lot of them don't know how to get back :D
[00:53] <Kezryk> Makes sense
[00:53] <Kezryk> someone told me earlier to do the CTRL,ALT,F1. but nothing happened and i left too soon i guess
[00:59] <ScottyK> does Kubuntu require an extra package to play movie DVD's? Dragon Player, VLC and bangrang will not play a DVD. Thanks
[01:00] <James147> ScottyK: install kubuntu-restriced-extras
[01:01] <ScottyK> James - Thanks..
[01:04] <ScottyK> Does the system require a reboot to get this to work?
[01:19] <Kezryk> Ok BarkingFish, i know now why i couldnt login.
[01:24] <Kezryk> is there something like automatic update for kubuntu??
[01:25] <popitnow> yes but you have to configurate an internet acces first....it's called package manager
[01:25] <popitnow> the default one is "muon package manager"
[01:25] <geri> hi how can i see the boot menue in kubuntu?
[01:25] <geri> shift?
[01:26] <popitnow> do you mean GRUB ?
[01:26] <geri> yeah before booting the kernel
[01:26] <geri> i want to choose the kernel
[01:27] <James147> geri: shift should show the menu in grub2
[01:27] <geri> i have grub1
[01:27] <geri> i think :D
[01:27] <geri> shift didnt work
[01:27] <James147> geri: what version of kubuntu are toy on (kubuntu hasent use grub1 in along time)
[01:27] <geri> i have ubuntu :D
[01:27] <geri> 10.10
[01:28] <geri> shoudl iset this? http://openpaste.org/27300254
[01:29] <James147> then you should have grub2 ^^ you can force grub to always show the menu by editing /etc/default/grub and running "sudo update-grub" (or was it "grub-update"...)
[01:29] <geri> my grub.cfg: http://openpaste.org/76Bc943e
[01:31] <geri> James147, what should i change there?
[01:31] <geri> hidden timeout is 0
[01:32] <James147> geri: you should edit /etc/default/grub
[01:32] <geri> i opend it
[01:32] <geri> enable grub_gfx_mode?
[01:33] <James147> geri: comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" then run update-grub
[01:33] <geri> update?
[01:34] <geri> otherwize its not effective?
[01:36] <geri> hidden_timeout is 0 here
[02:49] <Kezryk> What is the terminal command to initiate an update?
[02:58] <DarthFrog> Kezryk: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" all on one line.
[03:33] <hellslinger> how do I tell upowerd to log verbosely?
[04:21] <Kezryk> any reason i cant type in terminal but i can everywhere else
[04:21] <Kezryk> Err better yet i cant type the password in terminal mode
[04:23] <Kezryk> nvm
[04:27] <geri> James147, why is a run update-grub necessary?
[04:45] <Gerald> how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all?
[04:48] <reukku> is it safe to install kernel 3.2.1?
[04:50] <reukku> or 3.1.10?
[05:30] <muh2000> hi
[05:30] <muh2000> i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4
[05:31] <muh2000> upgraded.....
[05:31] <muh2000> but the apps are still at 4.7.3 ?!?!? wtf?!?
[05:41] <Gerald> how can i see the boot menue in ubuntu? i already comment out "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=5" and "#GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" .... is that all?
[06:04] <muh2000> i installed kubuntu-ppa for kde4.7.4   but kmail2 is still 4.7.3 ?!?
[06:05] <dasKreech> KDE 4.8!
[06:06] <muh2000> ?!?
[06:07] <muh2000> dasKreech: what are you trying to tell me?
[06:11] <dasKreech> Try the KDE 4.8 PPA?
[06:12] <muh2000> dasKreech: isnt it even more beta?
[06:12] <dasKreech> Kinda RC but ....
[06:12] <muh2000> hm
[06:13] <dasKreech> It's coming out in 5 days
[06:13] <muh2000> and where is the 4.8ppa?
[06:13] <dasKreech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97
[06:13] <muh2000> thnx
[06:15] <muh2000> hm
[06:15] <muh2000> add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta && apt-get dist-upgrade   and it says nothing to upgrade?
[06:17] <muh2000> wait i fogot "apt-get update"
[06:17] <muh2000> now it is updating.
[06:18] <muh2000> by doing this all the future updates will be rc/beta unless i remove that ppa again?
[06:19] <Tm_T> muh2000: if rc/betas are newer than stable release, yes
[06:20] <muh2000> Tm_T: and when there is a stable release it will upgrade to the stable release?
[06:20] <Tm_T> yes
[06:20] <muh2000> :)
[06:20] <Tm_T> apt-get uses the newest available if possible, repositories just enables them as sources
[06:20] <muh2000> thnx
[08:11] <JabberwockyA19> I'm stuggling to 'add more sensors to my plasmoid temperature monitor widget'
[08:12] <JabberwockyA19> lm-sensors shows cpu (per core) and gpu, where the widget only shows my gpu
[10:46] <GarGarOzz> chanserv irc.freenode.net
[10:51] <martell> hi
[10:51] <martell> where do i find file associations in oneiric ocelot ?
[11:59] <freedvd> hello, which dvd player is best suited to read interactive DVD's on kubuntu?
[12:11] <freedvd> i added the package sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc but now sudo apt-get update fails
[12:11] <freedvd> how can i rmeove it?
[12:19] <jussi> !info ppa-purge
[12:19] <jussi> freedvd: ^^
[12:20] <freedvd> thanks
[12:51] <datruth_> I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue?
[13:01] <seshagiri_> Hey could some one help me out of the problem while installing man-db. I have pasted the error report here -> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/537758/
[13:03] <datruth_> I am having an issue resuming my computer from sleep mode in 11.10 on as asus g74s anyone have this issue?
[13:05] <seshagiri_> Well thanks i fixed it myself!
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:42] <gnathan> hi, I'm trying to upgrade to oneiric but having some problems, wonder if anybody could help
[14:42] <gnathan> the upgrade process seems to be obscured by ubuntu
[14:42] <gnathan> I'm not sure why, maybe at some point when I installed gnome or something
[14:52] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  describe "obscured" , not sure what you mean
[14:53] <Gerald> when is it necessary to call blacklist before i do modprobe?
[14:57] <ShishKabab> I'm trying to install Kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop. The live CD does detect my wireless network card (it shows up in iwconfig as wlan0), but somehow I can't scan for or connect to networks in the Network Manager. Also, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' returns an error. Is there anything I can do about it before installing or should I install on a wire and solve the problem later (maybe by downloading some extra drivers)?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  blacklist if needed just before you modprobe the module you want to use , then reboot if necessary
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid , then try to connect .
[15:01] <gnathan> BluesKaj: thanks, erm, I'm not exactly sure either, but when I try the various things that should supposedly lead to a KDE upgrade option, I either get nothing or an option to upgrade Ubuntu
[15:01] <gnathan> and when I do cat /etc/issue I get "Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS"
[15:02] <gnathan> when in fact, the only OS I have "officially" installed is kub
[15:04] <gnathan> for example, if I try "sudo update-manager -d" the upgrade option that is presented to me is "new Ubuntu release '12.04' is available"
[15:04] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up says 'SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory'
[15:04] <gnathan> and if I do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it just says, nothing to install
[15:04] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  did you remove ubuntu-desktop previous to the upgrade then , update and ugrade with apt , then run sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:04] <gnathan> (even with update)
[15:05] <gnathan> no, I didn't know to do that
[15:05] <gnathan> I can try it
[15:05] <gnathan> ok I tried with apt and got "Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed"
[15:06] <BluesKaj> the upgrade OS command is sudo do-release-upgrade , the dist-upgrade just upgrades the desktop and packages with the present OS
[15:06] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  ^
[15:06] <gnathan> I just tried do-release-upgrade, again, it did nothing
[15:06] <gnathan> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[15:06] <gnathan> No new release found
[15:07] <BluesKaj> lsb_release -a
[15:08] <tayfun> does anyone know how to disable touchpad while typing ?
[15:08] <gnathan> LSB Version:    core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[15:08] <Peace-> tayfun: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/11/ubuntu-automatically-disable-touchpad.html
[15:08] <gnathan> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[15:08] <gnathan> Description:    Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[15:08] <gnathan> Release:        10.04
[15:08] <gnathan> Codename:       lucid
[15:08] <FloodBotK3> gnathan: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:09] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  wlan0=dhcp , then , sudo dhclient wlan0
[15:09] <BluesKaj> !LTS | gnathan
[15:10] <gnathan> Blues: yes, but I don't remember ever installing ubuntu specifically
[15:10] <tayfun> Peace: thank you a lot !
[15:10] <gnathan> I have no idea why it's saying that. I run KDE, and as far as I know kubuntu.
[15:11] <Peace-> tayfun: well thank google   i jut googled your question
[15:11] <RocknRolla> lucid support everything
[15:11] <gnathan> it's just that I'd rather not do a fresh install if there's something simple I can do to get the automatic upgrade option back
[15:12] <tayfun> Peace : i actually google and tried them but could not worked yet
[15:12] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  gnathan you can't upgrade to oneiric directly , you need to do a clean install , jumping OS releases can be done but you have to go to 10.10 , then 11.04 . then 11.10...better to just back up your data and download the iso
[15:13] <Peace-> tayfun: webup8 is a good webiste it should work
[15:13] <Peace-> tayfun: good luck
[15:13] <gnathan> Blues: ok, I'll do that. I have no idea what happened here, but thanks for the help :)
[15:14] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I see 'RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory' and the process keeps running. I still get the same errors for ifconfig and iwlist.
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  what does iwconfig tell you
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  also what wifi chip , you may need to load the module/driver
[15:16] <ts2> gnathan: fyi, Kubuntu is Ubuntu, what most people call "Ubuntu" is really Ubuntu with Gnome/Unity. same project, different UIs. If you want to upgrade to Oneiric you must upgrade to Maverick, then Natty, then Oneiric. Or you can wait a couple of months for the next LTS release (Precise) and you'll be offered an upgrade then
[15:18] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: It's a BCM43xx chip. I tried modbrobe bcm<tab>, and that shows bcm203x, bcm3510, bcm5974, bcma and bcm_wimax.
[15:20] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: And iwlist tells me a lot, what are you interested in? Is ESSID:off/any and Mode:Managed interesting?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ShishKabab,  pastebin the iwconfig pls
[15:26] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I don't have internet on the laptop, so I can't paste it :(. I think I better plug it into a wired connection. From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx it looks like I'll need internet anyway.
[15:30] <ShishKabab> BluesKaj: I have to go to another room now, but thanks for your help!
[15:34] <gnathan> ts2: thanks, yes, I was aware of that: but I still thought that the automatic kubuntu upgrade would be branded as "kubuntu", rather than offering anupgrade to "ubuntu"?
[15:34] <gnathan> because, for instance, I dont' really want unity
[15:35] <ts2> it won't give you unity, it _upgrades_ what you have
[15:36] <gnathan> oh ok, so even though it says "ubuntu", it'll still leave me with kde?
[15:36] <ts2> I understand it's not that obvious, but Ubuntu is the OS name, Kubuntu is the "flavour"
[15:36] <ts2> kind of like how Windows does Home, Professional, whatever. Same OS, but different defaults etc
[15:37] <ts2> (except that Ubuntu flavours aren't chopped up and sold for outrageous prices)
[15:39] <gnathan> ah, thanks I think your prompt about upgrading first to maverick just led me to discover the problem
[15:40] <gnathan> I didn't understand that the LTS version would only upgrade to the next LTS release
[15:40] <ts2> you can change it, it's just by default
[15:40] <gnathan> yeah, doing that that now
[15:41] <ts2> most LTS installs want to stick to LTS
[15:42] <BluesKaj> gnathan,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades , this also applies to kubuntu
[15:42] <gnathan> ah, great, I now have the upgrade option in kpackagekit
[15:43] <gnathan> thanks both for the help :D
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yeahh , I forgot what the command is to change from a LTS to the next regular release
[15:46] <gnathan> maybe there's a command, I edited /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades as suggested here http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-kubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-to-10.10-maverick-meerkat
[15:47] <James147> gnathan: that sounds about right, though kpackagekit (and presumably moun) could also edit that setting
[15:49]  * ts2 coughs and points James147 and gnathan to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:50] <James147> ts2: yup, thats the gui way, the cli way is to edit the above mention file
[15:51]  * BluesKaj always upgrades to the next releas , be it LTS or just a regular release
[15:52] <BluesKaj> running 12.04 alpha here
[17:02] <Gerald> BluesKaj, what happens if i dont do modprobe before?
[17:02] <Gerald> i mean blacklist...
[17:15] <fkm> Hi there. I don't know, if this is the right place to ask. If not, please point me to the right channel. I have made an xorg update yesterday and since then I cannot start the desktop effects because they became to slow. Here's the update log: http://pastebin.com/9V6CTqmB
[17:16] <Tm_T> fkm: ubuntu version?
[17:17] <Tm_T> fkm: 11.10 Oneiric?
[17:17] <fkm> Ubuntu 11.10
[17:17] <fkm> Linux medusa 3.0.0-15-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 2 17:45:26 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[17:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> can kwallet be deleted with out killing my wifi?
[17:19] <martell> yes, though you might have to retype your password
[17:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> it makes me type password every time i login is that normal?
[17:19] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: you can also configure networkmanager to store passwords in a plain text file
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  blackilst first then modprobe
[17:20] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: it is if you have somehting that requires a password after login (such as wifi)
[17:21] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok im going to google some then thx
[17:22] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: if you dont want to type it in then you basically have two option, tell networkmanager to store passwords in plane text (bypassing kwallet) or create a passwordless wallet (this basically stores all passwords unencrypted and isnt recomended)
[17:22] <kurumin> ...........
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok coming from gnome to kde im a bit confused
[17:23] <kurumin> ??
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> why it needs this
[17:23]  * James147 also notes that kdes password sotage system is going to change in the next release or 2 of kde ^^  so things might change then)
[17:23] <kurumin> alguem?
[17:23] <mydogsnameisrudy> 12.04?
[17:24] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: its because kwallet encrpyts passwords with a master password, and thus requires it to access the passwords again... it also dose not store this password anywhere (doing so voids having it in the first palce)
[17:24]  * BluesKaj disables the kwalletmanager , it's mostly a pita for home users
[17:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok hmmm might let it go for now then see how it goes
[17:25] <James147> mydogsnameisrudy: However, what gnome dose that kde dose not (yet! hopefully) iss use the login password to attempt to unlock the wallet ... which is why it always asks you
[17:27] <Peace-> James147: do you know something about vlc and system wide settings  for it?
[17:27] <Peace-> James147: this sicker doesn't want read my config file form /etc/vlc/vlcrc
[17:27] <James147> Peace-: tend not to use vlc... though dose it store system wide settings like other apps?
[17:28] <Peace-> James147: nah is not kde app so...
[17:28] <James147> (or am I just to use to kde apps doing this) LD
[17:29] <James147> Peace-: there is always the hack of placing its config in /etc/skele, will basically set it up for new users :)
[17:32] <Peace-> James147: mmm but it didnt worked for me
[17:32] <Peace-> even in skel
[17:33] <James147> Peace-: skel only gets copied when creating a new user...
[17:33] <James147> so wouldnt affect existing users unfortinutly
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: dah
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: nice to know
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: well to re-read ... i forget it
[17:35] <Peace-> James147: :D ty
[17:35] <James147> Peace-: or the other way, place a symlink in /etc/skel to the config :)
[17:35] <James147> (as well as all users)
[17:36] <Peace-> James147: arch user right ?
[17:36] <James147> yeah
[17:37] <Peace-> James147: i hated it intel bug :D
[17:37] <James147> intel bug?
[17:37] <Peace-> i dunno there was a bug and i got a well black screen xd
[17:37] <Peace-> i edited the kernel and it started
[17:38] <James147> not seen that ever :S
[17:38] <Peace-> James147: i guess it's for some card only
[17:38] <hynzo> hi everybody
[17:38] <hynzo> I'm new here
[17:38] <James147> Welcome hynzo
[17:38] <Peace-> hi
[17:39] <hynzo> :)
[17:39] <hynzo> how are you ?
[17:39] <James147> hynzo: you might want to join #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat, this channel is dedicated to kubuntu support issues
[17:40] <hynzo> so is this a developpers community
[17:40] <James147> hynzo: no, this is a users community, #kubuntu-devel for developers talk :)
[17:41] <hynzo> I want to join kubuntu develeppers team, I'm a Qt learner
[17:42] <James147> hynzo: then you will want to join #kubutu-devel channel :)  also see http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute
[17:42] <BluesKaj> hynzo,  then type /join #kubuntu-devel or click on the link James147 provided
[17:43] <hynzo> ok tank you
[17:43] <James147> hynzo: or if you want to develop for kde specifically (which will indrectly help kubuntu) join #kde and #kde-devel
[17:45] <hynzo> I didn't find any one there :)
[17:47] <James147> hynzo: people are more likly to respond to a qustion then general chat
[17:50] <James147> hynzo: also, be patience, people idlely watch these channels and can take a while to respond :)
[17:51] <BluesKaj> hynzo,  I saw you join #kde , but you didn't ask a question
[18:07] <kurumin> eae
[18:07] <kurumin> alguem aew fala portugues????????
[18:09] <Unit193> !pt | kurumin
[18:09] <kurumin> lol
[18:38] <Gerald> BluesKaj, blacklist command not found
[18:58] <smjms> is anyone else's GTK programs being rendered with a black background? :(
[18:59] <smjms> oh, right I should be in #kubuntu+1
[18:59] <Unit193> smjms: Last I knew there was only #ubuntu+1
[19:00] <BluesKaj> !blacklist | Gerald
[19:00] <Gerald> it will not load the module if i start linux?
[19:01] <Gerald> i overloading the module using dkms...
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Gerald,  the proper file is , /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , use root permissions if intend to add a module , add the module to the file then reboot , you can also modprobe the correct module before reboot ing
[19:05]  * James147 thourgh blacklist.conf was depracated and you should just use modprob.conf ^^
[19:05] <BluesKaj> James147,  it still works in 12.04
[19:12]  * BluesKaj doesn't see an modprobe.conf file , doesn't exist
[19:12] <James147> BluesKaj: :) think i was getting my distos confused again...
[19:13] <BluesKaj> James147,  ok
[19:13] <James147> BluesKaj: but your riht, blacklist.conf on kubuntu seems to be the way
[19:15] <BluesKaj> the /etc/modprobe.d file has the dkms.conf , alsa-base.conf and several others
[19:40] <Engonyr> How do I switch to Kubuntu and remove almost all the default GNOME applications?
[19:40] <Unit193> !purekde | robbit10
[19:41] <robbit10> Unit193: Thanks :)
[19:41] <Unit193> 'welcome
[19:57] <_jam> the latest security update to 11.10 is giving me a dependency conflict, and when I try to run with --full-resolver, it basically wants to remove everything
[19:57] <_jam> anyone else experiencing this?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> _jam,  to remove dependency conflicts , sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends nameofpackage(s) , you may have to run this command several times to remove the depends , they''ll be listed in the terminal , or you can find them in the /var/log file as well
[20:02] <_jam> this removes the packages, does it not?
[20:03] <_jam> i'm rather reluctant to do that, given the large number of packages it wants to remove
[20:04] <BluesKaj> most of kde/kubuntu-desktop I bet , ...what's the first conflict dependency package
[20:04] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:06] <_jam> umm, hrm. ok sorry. apparently the update last night resolved this as it no longer wants to remove packages
[20:06] <_jam> didn't notice that there was another update
[20:06]  * BluesKaj nods
[20:09] <thomas__> <:q
[20:33] <sergej_supo> hi
[20:33] <robbit10> I just switched over to Kubuntu, but i'm missing the utility that installs propietary drivers.. I have the one from Ubuntu, but it's not having root permissions. I executed apt-get autoremove after deinstalling all Ubuntu packages, so I think that might've messed up some things..
[20:36] <joeuser2ooo> hi
[20:42] <robbit10> the authentication part of KDE is broken.. what package should I install? kdesu?
[21:10] <george> hi all
[21:12] <george> today muon reports that there is about 202 packages to install / update of about 1gb. is this correct or did my updater break somewhere
[21:22] <george> hi anybody able to please assist me?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> george,  how long since you updated/upgraded ?
[21:25] <george> hi BluesKaj I updated yesterday
[21:26] <george> there are four updates that look like kernel update and a libc-dev. but both synaptic and muon want to install 202 other packages that looks like stuff I would't / didn't use ever e.g. a lot texlive stuff and eastern fonts etc
[21:27] <BluesKaj> george,  try sudo apt-get update , see what it lists
[21:28] <BluesKaj> I guess tou should check repos you have enabled as well
[21:28] <BluesKaj> you
[21:28] <george> sudo apt-get update gives this error: >
[21:29] <george> oops, a gpg error
[21:29] <george> GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[21:31] <BluesKaj> george,  that's a ppa you've added for an application , open /etc/apt/sources.list.d and remove it
[21:34] <jonte_> Hello! Is it possible to run the Kubuntu desktop from a remote machine? I don't want  to takeover the console, but want to run on a separate X11 display over ssh. I have X11 fowarding working.
[21:35] <James147> jonte_: look at tightvnc
[21:37] <jonte_> Is it more efficient than X11 over ssh?
[21:41] <James147> jonte_: much, its designed for over the network
[21:41] <James147> xforwarding isnt so much
[21:47] <shadeslayer> jonte_: I believe X was designed to be run over the network
[21:48] <shadeslayer> so X + ssh is probably the best you can get
[21:49] <James147> shadeslayer: dosnt run very fast ^^
[21:50] <shadeslayer> James147: well, if you use -c and -Y ... maybe then?
[21:50] <James147> shadeslayer: espically over a slower connection, where as vnc tends to work faster
[21:50] <jonte_> I had a quick look at tightvnc webpage. They (only?) talk about taking over the console, that is not what I want. Like I can ssh into a box and not disturb other users I would like to do the same  with GUI.
[21:50] <shadeslayer> I've tried vnc over the internet, it was utter crap
[21:51] <Dreadtower> What is the keyboard shrotcut of for the application launcher please (can't find where this is configured
[21:51] <jonte_> I haven't yet found a vnc or rrdp client on Linux that could compete in responsivenes and speed with Win - Win remote desktop.
[21:53] <jonte_> supposedly bitmaps aren't very fast on X. On the other hand networks are reasonably fast compared to local networks 20 years ago...
[21:54] <gomiboy> jonte_: you need it for local network or over the internet?
[21:55] <jonte_> over the Internet, the slowest pipe is ~4Mbit/s.
[21:57] <jonte_> It just seems wrong to first "translate" X to VNC and then tunnel that through ssh. On the other hand that is a bit of the *nix way of doing things. The right tool for the right job.
[22:06] <gomiboy> jonte_: X is ok on local networks, you'll hardly notice (we had 100 ethernet "20 years ago" :P ) but for the internet where you need speed and security... have a look at freenx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX don't know if it's still developped though...
[22:07] <phoenix_firebrd> any security expert here?
[22:13] <jonte_> gomiboy: FreeNX sounds ok, it seems to take care of the security bit. But will it let me have a new session? I.e. wife can sit at home on facebook and I get my own login?
[22:15] <gomiboy> jonte_: yes, it was developped with thinclients in mind, you could have 20sh concurrent users on a modern desktop pc :)
[22:22] <Dreadtower> Does anyone know which i8s the best version control system to use with KDevelop for a console C++ application: I have a choice of subversion or CVS?
[22:22] <James147> Dreadtower: I would recomend using git :)
[22:23]  * gomiboy is not a developper but cvs is ooold :)
[22:46] <RiotingPacifist_> can somebody tell me where /lib64 should point on 64bit 11.10 installs is it /lib?
[22:49] <gomiboy> RiotingPacifist_: not a link here, inside i have a single link: ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so
[22:50] <darksmoke> Hi
[22:51] <RiotingPacifist_> thanks gomiboy
[22:51] <gomiboy> yw :)
[22:51] <DarkSmoke> can someone tell me how to boot kubuntu in verbose mode?
[22:52] <DarkSmoke> i mean i used to do it but i find the boot file diferent from last time i used linux
[22:53] <DarkSmoke> ?
[22:54] <gomiboy> DarkSmoke: edit /etc/default/grub and change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""  then sudo update-grub
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> Is there a verbose flag?
[22:54] <DarkSmoke> Like putting -v or verbose in that line or it's not used?
[22:55] <maxhr> Hello, I had kubuntu installed, then installed Mandriva, which didn't make a boot menu option for Kubuntu, so I tried adding it manually, but when it loads, keyboard and mouse don't work, any fix for this?
[22:58] <maxhr> Some setting is wrong or missing in the boot manager setup, any ideas?
[23:02] <gomiboy> maxhr: pastebin your grub config from mandriva
[23:05] <maxhr> gomiboy: ok, just a moment
[23:15] <maxhr> gomiboy: I don't think there is a grub config, as mandriva uses grub legacy instead of grub2, or maybe I don't know where to find it...
[23:18] <gomiboy> maxhr: usual places are /boot/grub or /etc/grub or try in console: locate grub
[23:21] <almoxarife> gomiboy: also in /etc/default/grub
[23:22] <almoxarife> what is up with all the grub questions? has a kernel update effected grub?
[23:24] <gomiboy> no, he installed mandriva, which is racist and didn't put an entry for his other kubuntu installation
[23:24] <almoxarife> racist?
[23:25] <almoxarife> mandriva is a racist distro, who would of thought
[23:25] <maxhr> gomiboy: I am in /boot/grub , don't see a config file, what should it be caused
[23:25] <maxhr> called
[23:26] <almoxarife> maxhr: the config file should be /etc/default/grub, see it?
[23:31] <maxhr> almoxarife: that folder is empty
[23:31] <gomiboy> maxhr: sorry, i have to go, try in console: locate grub.conf or locate grub.cfg
[23:33] <almoxarife> maxhr: i asssumed you had a ubuntu/kubuntu distro with grub2
[23:35] <maxhr> almoxarife: yes
[23:35] <almoxarife> maxhr: yes?
[23:36] <maxhr> I had kubuntu with grub2
[23:36] <almoxarife> maxhr: had or have?
[23:36] <maxhr> then installed mandriva, which has grub
[23:36] <maxhr> so kubuntu is still there on the first partition
[23:36] <almoxarife> maxhr: no idea where grub is in mandriva
[23:36] <maxhr> but mandriva's bootloader is what I see when it boots up
[23:38] <maxhr> so I can still get kubuntu to boot up, but the mouse and keyboard don't work
[23:43] <maxhr> almoxarife: is there a way to get kubuntu to take back over the booting?
[23:43] <almoxarife> maxhr: which is first on the drive?
[23:43] <maxhr> kubuntu
[23:45] <almoxarife> maxhr: i would think yes then, but you would need to re-run update-grub from kubuntu and i assume kubuntu has grub2  and not the legacy, i have assume alot here, be careful
[23:46] <James147> maxhr: just reinstall grub in kubuntu "sudo grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sdX && update-grub"
[23:46] <maxhr> Yeah, grub2... and I think I can get kubuntu to boot properly
[23:47] <almoxarife> James147: some people might just put an 'x', might explain that
[23:47] <James147> where X the letter of the drive you want to install it to, normall a
[23:48] <maxhr> ahh, ok, thx
[23:49] <maxhr> that makes more sense
[23:49] <maxhr> I will try rebooting and check back
[23:59] <Kurdistan> hi is there any minimalistic kubuntu livecd?


[17:17] <slangasek> cjwatson: can I ask you for a quick review of the horror that is lp:livecd-rootfs -r 367?
[17:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: needs to be 'getopts :s:d:f:pa:' rather than 'getopts :s:d:f:p' (contrary to appearances, the : follows the letter, and initial : is differently special)
[17:19] <cjwatson> er, rather than 'getopts :s:d:f:p:a'
[17:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: as you said, horrific in concept, but otherwise looks correct enough
[17:24] <slangasek> cjwatson: fixed, thanks
[21:13] <slangasek> lamont: could you manually push livecd-rootfs 1.134 to acorn and sycamore, please?
[21:15] <lamont> slangasek: BuildLiveCD now dist-upgrades the chroot at the start...
[21:15] <lamont> so kick it and you'll have it
[21:15] <slangasek> but I need the newer BuildLiveCD
[21:15] <slangasek> :)
[21:15] <lamont> oh...  you mean "please merge BuildLiveCD from the chroot to the real root"
[21:16] <slangasek> sorry, that - yes
[21:16] <slangasek> or else I mean that I've patched the wrong thing and need to try again
[21:17] <lamont> heh
[21:17] <slangasek> let me confirm what I mean
[21:18] <slangasek> blast, I've patched the wrong part
[21:18] <lamont> yeah. was just gonna say.
[21:18] <lamont> -1
[21:19] <lamont> BuildLiveCD chroots into a vanila chroot to run livecd.sh which builds the chroot you want
[21:19] <slangasek> yeah, when you say that it rings a bell :)
[21:20] <lamont> and thereby escapes from Seal training
[21:31] <slangasek> lamont: ok; can you merge the fixed BuildLiveCD from bzr, or do you need me to get it published first?
[21:32] <slangasek> (I need to upload anyway for the livecd.sh changes, but if you can get the merge in place at the same time, that would be peachy)
[21:32] <lamont> I didn't merge it
[21:32] <lamont> remind me of the branch I want to look at?
[21:32] <slangasek> right after LP acknowledges my attempt to commit :)
[21:33] <lamont> so did BuildLiveCD actually require changes?
[21:34] <slangasek> it does because I need to pass the argument all the way through from the caller on antimony
[21:34] <slangasek> but I'm still waiting on LP...
[21:34] <lamont> neat
[21:37] <slangasek> there we go
[21:38] <slangasek> lamont: lp:livecd-rootfs
[21:40] <lamont> live
[21:40] <lamont> livecd-rootfs (1.135) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[21:40] <lamont> WTF?
[21:42] <slangasek> surely that's ok if you're just merging BuildliveCD? :)
[21:42] <slangasek> the changelog commit is coming, slowly just like the last one
[21:43] <lamont> heh
[21:44] <lamont> 'twas more of an attribution/citation challenge
[21:55] <slangasek> lamont: ok, uploaded to the archive; is the merge done, so I'll be able to kick this off in an hour?
[22:03] <lamont> rev 370's BuildLiveCD is live on acorn/sycamore
[22:04] <lamont> livecd.sh is whatever is current in the archive when you kick the pig
[22:44] <slangasek> lamont: yay! thanks


[21:57] <r0r0n04> Hello everybody :)
[22:28] <r0r0n04> no hello ? :3 its Okey Good bye forever <3
[22:29] <SahnounM91> bonsoir @ tous
[22:35] <SahnounM91> O/
[22:42] <SahnounM91> cc elacheche


[12:03] <LuckyLuke> I would try apt-mirror and try to write a script to do the same, because the system I use for mirrors is a freebsd machine
[12:03] <spike> I remembered the debian one for i386 to be kinda small compared to that...
[12:03] <LuckyLuke> spike: probably yes. I'm interested in x86 and x86-64 only.