[15:00] <barry> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <caribou> \o
[15:02] <tdaitx> o\
[15:02] <cyphermox> o/
[15:02] <robru> \o/
[15:03]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Sep 29 15:03:23 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek>  echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:04] <slangasek> mwhudson slangasek sil2100 infinity robru caribou pitti xnox chiluk tdaitx cyphermox bdmurray barry doko
[15:04] <slangasek>  * final beta released
[15:04] <cyphermox> you win
[15:04] <slangasek> (done)
[15:04] <slangasek> :)
[15:04] <sil2100> Wow
[15:04] <sil2100> Ok
[15:04] <sil2100> ;)
[15:04] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:04] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:04] <sil2100> - Filling an SRU for touch xenial livecd-rootfs bits
[15:04] <sil2100> - Cleaning up, releasing and syncing all the livecd-rootfs changes to bzr
[15:04] <sil2100> - DMB meeting
[15:04] <sil2100> - Helping out with getting the ubuntu-push MIR-fix silo prepared
[15:04] <sil2100> - Fixing up broken xenial image builds
[15:04] <sil2100> - Landing the ubuntu-settings-components and address-book silo for i386 touch builds fixing
[15:04] <sil2100> - landing-team-tools snap:
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Reorganized the scripts file structure for easy installation, prepped the yaml
[15:04] <sil2100>   * Debugging why the script snaps aren't working (something in LD_LIBRARY_PATH breaking)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Investigating and fixing the pyzmq new constants unit test failure with the new zeromq3
[15:05] <sil2100> - Resolving ubuntu-keyboard and unity8 migration issues (caused by a double copy to Unapproved)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Playing around with Rocket
[15:05] <sil2100> (done)
[15:05] <slangasek> infinity is out at a conference
[15:05] <slangasek> robru:
[15:06] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:06] <robru> * cache swift account token (fixes issue where it occaisionally fails to be discovered)
[15:06] <robru> * update status immediately after regenerating diffs (not after builds)
[15:06] <robru> * upload excuses files to swift
[15:06] <robru> * some cosmetic tweaks (more status colors, status icon tweaks)
[15:06] <robru> * put date of last activity into PPA display name, aids discovering stale tickets.
[15:06] <robru> * update disconnect handling as per sqlalchemy docs
[15:06] <robru> * drop support for python <3.5  :-D
[15:06] <robru> * fix nagios checks
[15:06] <robru> * working with sbalda on adding UST support (incomplete)
[15:06] <robru> britney2-ubuntu
[15:06] <robru> * performance improvements, accepted upstream
[15:06] <barry> robru: \o/
[15:06] <barry> robru: and just in time for 3.6 :)
[15:06] <sil2100> hah ;)
[15:07] <robru> barry: heh, we'll be on xenial for a bit ;-)
[15:07] <slangasek> caribou: hi there
[15:07] <caribou> Bugfix:
[15:07] <caribou>  APT hash sum mismatch when using mirror:// url (LP: #1625667)
[15:07] <caribou>   - SRU awaiting verification
[15:07] <caribou>  /etc/multipath/wwids not updated upon restart (LP: #1621835)
[15:07] <caribou>   - Reviewed fix with cyphermox
[15:07] <caribou>     About to upload for SRU now that .14 is released
[15:07] <caribou> Development:
[15:07] <caribou>  Working on a sosreport charm : mostly ready for review
[15:07] <caribou>  tomsfastpath MIR :
[15:07] <caribou>   - Will postpone the MIR to 17.04 and used  the
[15:07] <caribou>     package 0.99-2 from Xenial uploaded by the security team
[15:07] <caribou>  makedumpfile not working on kernel 4.8 (LP: #1626269)
[15:07] <caribou>   - investigating issue with upstream
[15:07] <caribou>  Various sponsorship : zfs-linux, multipath-tools
[15:07] <caribou> Misc:
[15:07] <caribou> meetings
[15:08] <caribou> ☑ Done
[15:08] <barry> robru: i'm already bored with yakkety and can't wait for zazzy zorilla
[15:09] <robru> barry: zippy zebra!
[15:09]  * xnox ponders if it's my turn
[15:09] <slangasek> caribou: tomfastpath> yay, will be glad to have that off the mismatch list :)
[15:09] <slangasek> pitti is also at conference today
[15:09] <slangasek> xnox:
[15:09] <xnox> * s390x v4.8 testing (trianged/closed v4.8 request bugs reported by ibm)
[15:09] <xnox> * final beta s390x respin tests
[15:09] <xnox> * fully automated z/VM basic d-i test (takes less than 6 minutes, with reporting to the iso tracker)
[15:09] <xnox> * gnupg2 environment proxy fix in dirmntr
[15:09] <xnox> * added support to apt-key fragments to software-properties
[15:09] <xnox> * fixed degraded boot of console-setup on serial-only systems
[15:09] <xnox> * in-progress / reviews needed - signing archive & dist-upgrade tarballs with 4k key only in z-series and up
[15:09] <xnox> * adding support to apt-key fragments to the dist-upgrader (will send merge proposal soon)
[15:09] <xnox> * point release update of btrfs-progs
[15:10] <xnox> done
[15:10] <caribou> slangasek: I'll try to get it done by early next week
[15:10] <chiluk> - LP 1628363 - Hit an odd situation where my USB Hub was detected but it's ports and devices were not enumerated.  Could not reproduce, but I'll keep an eye on it in case it's not a one off hardware issue.
[15:10] <chiluk> - Learned more about snappy, and presented findings to STS on the matter.  Is the foundations team responsible for snapping the majority of main and universe?
[15:10] <chiluk> - Aside from that mostly non public ceph emergencies.
[15:10] <chiluk> -done-
[15:10] <slangasek> xnox: automated z/VM d-i test - is that something you can give details to powersj about so we can also use it for ISO smoketesting?
[15:11] <xnox> slangasek, don't think so. This is using scripted 3270 terminal connections. And i thought that z/VM 3270 terminal is s390 special thing.... or does power use that line oriented console too?
[15:12] <slangasek> xnox: that's the IRC nick of the Server Team's QA engineer, not a reference to the POWER architecture ;)
[15:12] <chiluk> slangasek which team is responsible for snapping up most of the packages in main and universe?
[15:12] <slangasek> chiluk: mu
[15:12] <xnox> ah
[15:12] <xnox> sure.
[15:13] <chiluk> slangasek.. I'm just going to assume that's a typo or emotional outburst.
[15:13] <cyphermox> no tdaitx
[15:13] <slangasek> chiluk: or you could understand it as the answer to "What is the sound of one hand snapping"
[15:13] <chiluk> lol..
[15:13] <slangasek> cyphermox: indeed, go ahead
[15:13] <cyphermox> MIR:
[15:13] <cyphermox> - review mediaplayer-app
[15:13] <cyphermox> yakkety:
[15:13] <cyphermox> - fighting NetworkManager and pkexec for ubiquity
[15:13] <cyphermox>   - for NM wifi connection via the ubiquity network dialog
[15:13] <cyphermox> - hw-detect modprobe fix (bug LP: #1602717)
[15:13] <cyphermox> - more initramfs-tools fixes for IPv6
[15:13] <cyphermox>   - fixing iscsi without ip= set
[15:14] <cyphermox> ±other stuff:
[15:14] <cyphermox> - fixing up initramfs-tools and isc-dhcp
[15:14] <cyphermox> - subiquity code reviews
[15:14] <cyphermox> - subiquity keyboard setup
[15:14] <cyphermox> - prepared grub upload for new shim renamed binaries
[15:14] <cyphermox> - submitting shim for signing
[15:14] <cyphermox> - looks like I found out why ppc wasn't bootable for lubuntu; more investigation needed.
[15:14] <cyphermox> (done ✅)
[15:14] <slangasek> chiluk: snaps are not a replacement for debs, "most of the packages" in the archive are not things anyone would snap, and it's not anyone's responsibility to snap things that aren't useful to them as snaps
[15:14] <cyphermox> hey tdaitx
[15:14] <cyphermox> it's your turn :)
[15:14] <tdaitx> = jck
[15:14] <tdaitx> * Getting communication to work is a problem when running on 2 separated nodes
[15:14] <tdaitx>  - No easy way to grab ip addresses from jenkins nodes before a build (in our setup node name is not DNS resolvable)
[15:14] <tdaitx>  - Nodes instances are ephemeral, hardcoded ips are a no go
[15:15] <tdaitx>  - Accessing the jenkins server *might* work but that requires a bot login for API access; checking if I can somehow reuse the session data from a running job to call the API
[15:15] <chiluk> slangasek how are we supposed to get a to a fully snappified ubuntu server install for 18.04 then?
[15:15] <tdaitx>  - Current setup works on a single node using LXD, but that won't work for PPC64EL/ARM64 as an official jck host must run Oracle's reference implementation (and that's AMD64 only)
[15:15] <tdaitx> * Trying to expose interactive tests from within the container
[15:15] <tdaitx> * Gathering test results and exposing them through Jenkins
[15:15] <tdaitx> * Packaged scripts for and easier "install"
[15:15] <tdaitx> = proposed migration
[15:15] <tdaitx> - subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to mozart and mozart-stdlib removal request, up for grabs (LP: #1623951 and LP:#1623962)
[15:15] <tdaitx> - tracking down pkgbinarymangler error that causes on freevo to FTBFS
[15:15] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:15] <tdaitx> irc connection fubar on the right moment
[15:15] <slangasek> tdaitx: wat
[15:15] <bdmurray> short week / holiday last Friday
[15:15] <bdmurray> updated RT 95447 regarding ValueErrors w/ the daisy app servers
[15:15] <bdmurray> bugbot updates to tag release upgrade bugs w/ from and to release
[15:15] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader bug triage
[15:16] <bdmurray> investigation into ubuntu-release-upgrader test failure
[15:16] <bdmurray> updated meta-release files to say wily is unsupported
[15:16] <bdmurray> fixed update-notifier test failure because of stderr
[15:16] <bdmurray> unattended-upgrade bug triage
[15:16] <bdmurray> worked on a bug fix for LP: #1544942
[15:16] <bdmurray> foundations bug triage
[15:16] <bdmurray> irc discussion with mvo re: unattended-upgrade bugs
[15:16] <bdmurray> irc discussion with rbasak re SRU team
[15:16] <bdmurray> explained the Error Tracker and how to use it to a dev
[15:16] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:16] <barry> working with pitti on using autopkgtest for github/gitlab pr/mr testing (debian bug #839072).
[15:16] <barry> ubuntu-image landings/branches (argument-order, coverage, mkfs.ext4, LP: #1617445, etc)
[15:16] <barry> LP: #1627198 (*lots* of kernel bisect testing w/jsalisbury)
[15:16] <barry> LP: #1627692 (investigation)
[15:16] <barry> debian bug #838531 (nose2 ftbfs)
[15:16] <barry> reviewed https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/subiquity/pull/167
[15:16] <barry> ✔ done
[15:17] <tdaitx> slangasek, ?
[15:17] <slangasek> ah, and doko also at conference
[15:18] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:18] <caribou> slangasek: regarding tomsfastmath MIR & clamav, should the current clamav 0.99.2+dfsg-2ubuntu1 in yakkety-proposed be pulled out ?
[15:18] <slangasek> caribou: to what end? you just need to upload another version, which ought to be a higher version number, I think
[15:19] <caribou> slangasek: wasn't sure it would override the one already in -proposed
[15:19] <slangasek> caribou: if you try to use a lower version number it would be rejected
[15:19] <slangasek> so add the other changes as a delta on top of the merge?
[15:20] <caribou> slangasek: ok, will review the delta b/w both
[15:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:22] <slangasek> anything else today?
[15:22] <slangasek> I assume, with two weeks until release, everyone is furiously cleaning out -proposed and helping resolve build failures
[15:24] <barry> slangasek: take the sound of crickets as a resounding "yes!"
[15:24] <slangasek> quite
[15:24] <slangasek> :)
[15:24] <slangasek> or maybe you've all just deadlocked your systemds
[15:24] <slangasek> either way
[15:24] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 15:24:36 2016 UTC.
[15:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-09-29-15.03.moin.txt
[15:24] <slangasek> thanks!
[15:24] <barry> thanks!
[15:28] <caribou> thanks!


[00:33] <willdeberry> Hello all! I was curious if this would be the correct location to get help with bzr and launchpad. I was attempting to tackle some things listed under one hundred papercuts. was following this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/fixing-a-bug.html and this one as well, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/udd-getting-the-source.html#branching.  No matter the syntax I try, i can't seem to check out the project. In this
[00:33] <willdeberry> case the ticket was specific to pidgin
[00:34] <tsimonq2> willdeberry: Hey there!
[00:34] <tsimonq2> willdeberry: Why don't you meet me in #ubuntu-motu, we can take it from there :)
[09:15] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: (Pinging you directly due to time running out) Have you or anyone else seen bug 1709733?
[09:49] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, why not in Debian^
[09:50] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: As noted, it's in pkg-xfce's svn repo, not uploaded yet.
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> so, when they upload it, it will get autosyncd?
[09:52] <Unit193> Well we'd have to manually sync it, but chances are.
[10:04] <Unit193> Would very likely want to include https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/commit/?id=21760d00c8e255f4bf83ddce1f387b1c034599f4 though. :P
[10:05] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Hrm, OK.  Well thanks anyway.
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> I can manually sync it
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> just make sure it goes in debian
[10:42] <Unit193> It won't before FF.
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> isn't it a leaf package?
[11:02] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Either this cycle or next we'll likely move from indicator-application+xfce4-indicator-plugin to this.
[11:03] <Unit193> It's late, so likely next.
[17:08] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, hi! thanks for abi-compliance-checker upload! do you have any idea why those KDE autopkgtests still fail on armhf?
[17:09] <mitya57> Also, any idea why abi-compliance-checker's own autopkgtests fail?
[18:13] <mitya57> LocutusOfBorg, re own tests: I made a new upload https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abi-compliance-checker/1.99.22-1ubuntu2, it should help
[18:17] <tsimonq2> o/ mitya57
[18:17] <mitya57> hi tsimonq2!
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> <3 mitya57 :)
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> I saw the upload, thanks
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> for armhf don't know
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> systemd is sad (can't install udev), and xnox is aware/looking at it already
[21:03] <LocutusOfBorg> but meh, I'll have a look once queues go empty
[21:11] <acheronuk> armhf mostly needs a retry against --all-proposed, but holding off doing most of that until the queue clear to minimise spamming it with duplicates
[21:14] <acheronuk> and/or many of them failed for armhf on their 1st try, as they ran when QtWebEngine was lagging on it's armhf build, but was there for the other architectures
[21:20] <LocutusOfBorg> we should be mostly good with this transition
[21:20] <LocutusOfBorg> just worried about ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts and ubuntu-settings-components
[21:20] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe they just need a test rerun
[21:21] <LocutusOfBorg> pytest-qt needs fixes
[21:21] <LocutusOfBorg> (Debian suggests to just disable the testsuite)
[21:22] <acheronuk> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/artful/amd64
[21:22] <acheronuk> blame: ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts
[21:22] <acheronuk> badpkg: Test dependencies are unsatisfiable.
[21:22] <LocutusOfBorg> yep I see
[21:22]  * acheronuk shrugs
[21:22] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure which one
[21:23] <LocutusOfBorg> we need qtbase-opensource-src, qtwebengine and qtdeclarative candidate for migration
[21:23] <LocutusOfBorg> so I can parse britney's output
[21:23] <LocutusOfBorg> but meh, late here, have a good night :)
[21:24]  * LocutusOfBorg goes to sleep
[21:24] <jbicha> I'd like for us to remove all the UOA stuff LP: #1695928
[21:24] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: qml-module-ubuntu-components ?
[21:26] <acheronuk> urgh! from src:ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles
[22:35] <Unit193> Hrm, looks like kicking up a i386 artful chroot isn't going so hot for me still: http://paste.openstack.org/show/cGj8uRFD3nm0PKN3D9T8/


[00:49] <bazhang> lalagirl!!!!111
[00:52] <Pici> limited connectivity the next few days
[00:54] <pangolin> taking a few days off?
[00:56] <Pici> Going to Vermont for a few days
[00:56] <Pici> Actually on the car now.
[00:56] <Pici> errrr in
[00:58] <pangolin> cool, enjoy, be safe.
 what does ubuntu use? GNOME or something?
[00:59] <bazhang> Pici, don't eat the syrup! and don't blink!
[00:59] <tonyyarusso> Don't blink?
[01:00] <bazhang> DR. WHO reference
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> Ah
[01:00] <pangolin> hey folks. nigelb needs someone to  lead a session for user days about CLI
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> What day is that?
[01:01] <pangolin> lemme get him
[01:01] <tonyyarusso> Any more scope details?
[01:01] <pleia2> jan 14th, schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/oneiric
[01:01] <nigelb> pangolin: o/
[01:02] <pangolin> nigelb: tonyyarusso seems interested in user days, needs more info that pleia2 just linked him
[01:02] <pangolin> give him a sec to read :)
[01:02] <nigelb> aha :)
[01:02] <nigelb> Oh. right. pleia2 is everywhere :D
[01:03] <pangolin> she brightens up the joint indeed
[01:03] <nigelb> haha
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Not much to read on that page.
[01:04] <pangolin> nigelb: more info about the cli session please
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> nigelb: What did you have in mind for the scope of this?
[01:04] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays has links to past session logs, including the CLI ones
[01:04] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/24/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t17:00 was the last
[01:05] <pleia2> it's very much dependent upon how the instructor wants to teach it, and then opens to Q&A at the end
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Ah
[01:05] <pangolin> all done with the bot that someone can control and feed questions
[01:06] <nigelb> ugh, I just glanced away and tonyyarusso asks questions :P
[01:07] <bazhang> heh
[01:08] <bazhang> he's scripted in PERL
[01:08] <Pici> ouch
[01:08] <nigelb> well, better than PHP I'd say.
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> nigelb: I think I could do that
[01:13] <nigelb> woo
[01:14] <nigelb> Pick a slot from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[01:14] <pangolin> :)
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Might try talking more about some utilities and workflow rather than bash features this time.
[01:14] <pangolin> tonyyarusso: you rock dude. now I don't feel so bad for saying no :)
[01:15] <nigelb> some day I want to do a zsh and oh-my-zsh session. Any oh-my-zsh users here?
[01:17] <nigelb> tonyyarusso: I need to head out, can you let pleia2 know which slot you want?
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> The 02:00 would be good
[01:18] <pleia2> great, thanks
[01:20] <pleia2> added you to the schedule, you'll get further instructions as the date draws near :)
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> Sounds good
 downloader we're an inteligent female species… we can do whatever we want on Friday night
[01:27] <bazhang> annoy-o-meter :  11
[01:50] <lalagirl> Hi.
[01:50] <bazhang> lalagirl, you know why you were quieted in #ubuntu ?
[01:50] <lalagirl> Yes. I was repeatedly talking off topic.
[01:51] <bazhang> correct
[01:51] <bazhang> and asked repeatedly not to do so, yet continued
[01:51] <bazhang> so stick to #ubuntu for tech support and #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat (non-support etc)
[01:51] <lalagirl> Yes.
[01:52] <bazhang> agreed?
[01:52] <lalagirl> Agreed.
[01:52] <bazhang> ok
[01:53] <bazhang> please try to speak there now lalagirl
[01:54] <bazhang> ok, you are fully sorted, thanks for joining to straighten this out
[01:54] <lalagirl> I am able to talk. Thank you, and I apologize for the inconvenience I have made.
[02:05] <pangolin> lalagirl: could you please /part this channel
[02:05] <pangolin> so we can keep track of who needs to be abus...I mean helped
[02:05] <lalagirl> what is part?
[02:06] <pangolin> part == leave
[02:06] <lalagirl> how do i do that? if I close the window, i leave all of the chat things
[02:06] <pangolin> type /part
 a friend of mine tells me the next version will be Porcupine
[03:23] <bazhang> < troll detected >
[03:40] <bazhang> nidswrapper for broadcom 43xx ? that can't be right
[03:41] <pangolin> no need for it
[03:41] <pangolin> afaik
[04:04] <elky> said friend needs to learn the alphabet
[04:27] <elky> Corey, your fanclub just pooped in #ubuntu
[04:27] <elky> and now omega11 is in my PM
[04:29] <Corey> elky: Lovely.
[04:30] <Corey> elky: Shouldn't be a problem anymore.
[04:30] <elky> klined?
[06:12] <pangolin> !away > samsul
[09:45] <jpds> Interesting nick.
[09:48] <oCean> not an interesting person though
[12:51] <oCean> lalagirl: yes?
[12:51] <lalagirl> sorry my thing keeps connecting to channels
[14:03] <Sidewinder1> Thing?
[14:18] <bazhang> just the rant
[14:18] <oCean> of course
[14:19] <oCean> network really needs a ##rantallyouwant
[14:20] <bazhang> hehe
[15:57] <mneptok> oCean: Freenode has that. /quit and then /connect irc.efnet.net
[15:57] <oCean> Ooh, that's the secret command!
[16:00] <mneptok> :)
[16:07] <mneptok> pangolin: could i have a backrub while you're feeling so generous?  O:)
[16:07] <pangolin> sure, come on over.
[16:08] <mneptok> wooohooo! free backrub for only US$400 in fuel costs!
[16:08] <pleia2> the canadians will stop you at the border
[16:09] <pangolin> with any luck :)
[16:13] <mneptok> pleia2: they didn't when i lived there for 3 years. :)
[16:13] <pangolin> and Verdun hasn't been the same since you left
[16:14] <mneptok> pleia2: in fact, if i cross at St-Bernard de Lacolle during the dinner hour, the Quebecois enjoying their poutine will probably just wave me through without even opening the sliding glass window. it happened. more than once.
[16:15] <pleia2> :)
[16:29] <mneptok> it's a tiny farm village crossing. i think they started to recognize my car, and i we considered part of Quebec's "house pet Americans."
[19:23] <Resistance> not sure if you noticed my call for ops, but its spam in #Ubuntu
[19:23] <Resistance> so...
[19:24] <Seveas> oi
[19:24] <Seveas> spambots in #ubuntu
[19:24] <bastidrazor> please join us in #ubuntu :)
[19:24] <Resistance> Seveas:  i told them, they arent listening
[19:24] <Resistance> i think they all died
[19:25] <Jordan_U> Seveas: Any other advice?
[19:26] <Seveas> Jordan_U, yeah, stay opped and do /mode #ubuntu +rR
[19:26] <Seveas> or op me and I'll get rid of'em :)
[19:26]  * Jordan_U just woke up.
[19:26] <Seveas> right on time as the others are asleep :)
[19:27] <Jordan_U> Seveas: Sorry, I don't think opping you is a good idea.
[19:27] <Seveas> then fix the problem :)
[19:28] <Seveas> ok, so that's useless
[19:28] <Seveas> enjoy, see you next year
[20:45] <Resistance> ^ that
[20:46] <Resistance> * ofih is now known as nomoreofih
[20:46] <Resistance> he's trolling now
[20:47] <Resistance> thanks pangolin


[02:47] <seidos> hello everybody.
[02:47] <jjesse> hello seidos
[02:48] <seidos> curious about documentation jjesse, just learned about this channel :D
[02:50] <jjesse> yeah
[02:50] <jjesse> hrmm bed time
[02:52] <seidos> sleep well jjesse


[02:59] <cmaloney> 21 library books?
[14:07] <brousch_> LotR Fellowship of the Ring is free today https://play.google.com/store/movies/details?id=rAUJN48IHXw
[14:27] <ColonelPanic001> too many books
[14:46] <cmaloney> Too many books
[14:46] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: https://plus.google.com/+thereadingroom/posts/1g9PkR81KJh
[14:46] <jrwren> yes, 21 library books :)
[14:47] <cmaloney> what does that even mean?
[14:47] <cmaloney> DId you take out 21 library books?
[14:47]  * ColonelPanic001 sings too many boooooks
[14:47] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Now you're getting it. :)
[14:48] <ColonelPanic001> My wife (then gf) once made me agree to not buy any more books unless I got rid of some to make room for them
[14:48] <ColonelPanic001> now I have a house and am no longer bound bu such dumb agreements
[14:48] <cmaloney> Heh
[14:48] <cmaloney> I bought another bookshelf and pretty much filled it on the spot
[14:49] <cmaloney> with more on the way because I am insane
[14:51] <jrwren> yes. greg-g and I were talking yesterday about library use. I said "I've got at least a dozen checked out right now." so when I sat in my reading chair last night, I counted.
[14:51] <jrwren> i rarely buy books anymore.
[15:02] <cmaloney> Good god that's a lot of books checked out.
[15:02] <cmaloney> Though I love love love checking out books from the library and having them store them when I'm done. :)
[15:04] <jrwren> exactly!
[15:16] <brousch_> http://thenextweb.com/apps/2014/12/16/pebble-smartwatch-now-supports-android-wear-notifications/
[15:20] <cmaloney> in the beta release
[15:20] <cmaloney> I don't think it's been pushed to the mere masses yet.
[15:21] <cmaloney> That said I'm refreshing like crazy. :)
[15:22] <ColonelPanic001> I'm holding out until the FDA approves ocular implants
[15:22] <ColonelPanic001> my eyes are fairly crappy anyway
[15:22] <cmaloney> I'd rather not
[15:22] <cmaloney> That's all I'd need is to have to force-quit my vision
[15:22] <ColonelPanic001> just one eye
[15:22] <ColonelPanic001> you have a spare.
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> My left eye especially is pretty bad, not legally blind in it or anything, but not exactly sharp vision. Replacing it with a decent cybornetic replacement would be neat.
[15:23] <brousch_> Why replace an eye when you can just add a third one in between the current ones?
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> brousch_: what, and looks weird?
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> s/looks/look
[15:25] <brousch_> make it stylish like http://www.shorthairlooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Wedding-Crown-.jpg
[15:25] <ColonelPanic001> I think I might look a bit elven
[15:25] <ColonelPanic001> that strikes me as something an elf would wear
[15:25] <brousch_> See, cool, not weird
[15:26] <ColonelPanic001> I can't argue with that.
[15:26] <ColonelPanic001> You may have won me over.
[15:26] <ColonelPanic001> on the other hand, I could realize my lifelong dream of being a cyborg.
[15:26] <brousch_> good call http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130202120854/lotr/images/9/9f/Elrond_of_Rivendell.jpg
[15:27] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[15:28] <brousch_> A third eye wired into your skull is just as cybernetic as replacing an existing eye
[15:29] <jrwren> now link a pic of hugo from Priscilla
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> brousch_: seems easier to just use an existing ocular cavity
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> I wonder if a third eye would improve depth perception significantly
[15:30] <brousch_> No way. then you are limited to the pre-existing size and ports
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> If I were Bill Gates Rich, I would probably soon resemble a comic book villian, without all the murder (probably)
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> invest in artificial limb R&D, then replace all mine with superior ones
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> etc
[15:31] <ColonelPanic001> it would be a race against my limited human lifespan to find a way to exist in a computer
[15:31] <brousch_> http://www.cyberpunkworld.com/real-life-cyborg-neil-harbisson-and-the-cyborg-foundation/
[15:31] <brousch_> That is dorky
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> "sonochromatism" doesn't sound that useful
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> extending visual range outside of just "visible" light does though
[15:32] <brousch_> Could let you see UV and IR
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, but I could do that with the implant
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> +3 per
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> <insert Cavil's speech from Battlestar Galactica here>
[15:35] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.ariera.net/post/129529731/i-dont-want-to-be-human-i-want-to-see-gamma
[16:20] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: around?
[16:28] <cmaloney> reminder: CHC tonight from 8-10pm
[16:29] <rick_h_> :(
[16:29] <rick_h_> have fun folks
[16:32] <brousch_> There's no fun without rick_h_ . It is like a funeral
[16:33] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Offer still stands if you want me to drive up and pick you up.
[16:33] <cmaloney> If not we'll need to figure out when over the holiday we can jam. :)
[16:33] <cmaloney> note: not mutually exclusive. :)
[16:34] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no way :P
[16:34] <rick_h_> yea, we should party at some point
[16:37] <cmaloney> yeah, I need to figure out a day when we can make that happen
[16:37] <cmaloney> Stupid holidays are sneaking up on me.
[16:38] <cmaloney> Though they're not being too terribly stealthy, but they're sure persistent
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: pong
[16:47] <mrgoodcat> brousch_: sorry about our game
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> i've been so busy i completely forgot about it
[16:48] <brousch_> NP. I assumed you'd died
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> heh
[16:48] <_stink_> how's the afterlife
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> much like normal life
[16:48] <mrgoodcat> but busier
[16:49] <_stink_> geez
[16:49] <_stink_> sounds terrible
[16:55] <brousch_> mrgoodcat: I've found a lot of good, active games in the tournaments
[16:55] <mrgoodcat> i forfeited my tournament games too. work is super busy right now
[16:59] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, was going to say thanks for the win. :)
[16:59] <cmaloney> Hoping things calm down for you.
[16:59] <cmaloney> But was more concerned you went AWOL.
[17:01] <cmaloney> Good God, The Simpsons is 25 years old today.
[17:02] <cmaloney> there are people who can legally drink who have no concept of a Simpsons-free world.
[17:30] <greg-g> whoa, I was only 7? that makes sense I guess. I was about perfectly timed for it
[17:37] <jrwren> man, that Cavil speech is a great example of why BSG is awesome.
[19:05] <jcastro> jrwren, http://www.concentratemedia.com/features/AnnArboraffordable0308.aspx
[19:05] <jcastro> greg-g, are you home yet?
[19:05] <jrwren> jcastro: the rent is too damned high!
[19:05] <greg-g> jcastro: yep, got home at 1:30ish Pacific
[19:05] <jcastro> greg-g, ok, will sync next time
[19:05] <jrwren> "The middle class cannot afford to live in Ann Arbor. "    wtf does that make me?
[19:06] <jcastro> If we knock down Michigan Stadium we could build all sorts of high rises there.
[19:06] <greg-g> aware of hyperbole
[19:07] <greg-g> that was a hella (omg, I'm one of them now) long day. 6:50am Eastern to 4:30am the next day
[19:07]  * cmaloney got more Go books for the holidays. :)
[19:07] <cmaloney> (Game, not language)
[19:08] <cmaloney> Though I find humor in the Ubuntu of this channel is being replaced by Go (game and language). ;)
[19:08] <jrwren> jcastro: this article is very interesting.
[19:16] <jcastro> I don't get the appeal of living in downtown AA proper
[19:16] <jcastro> but whatever
[19:16] <jcastro> 465k for a 100 year old house that's 50 grand somewhere else on the planet, but whatevs
[19:18] <jrwren> jcastro: I get the appeal. You get excellent city services and you can walk everywhere.
[19:18] <jrwren> walking downtown from a west side house is life changing.
[19:18] <jrwren> and I've barely experienced that.
[19:18] <jcastro> there's tons of downtowns in the area though
[19:18] <jcastro> with less people, less pricey
[19:19] <jcastro> though, I doubt Plymouth is cheaper than AA
[19:19] <jrwren> none are ann arbor.
[19:19] <jrwren> oh, I don't know Plymouth at all.
[19:19] <jrwren> Ann Arbor is like iPhone in the "I want the one with the most GBs" video.
[19:20] <brousch_> Hm, yes I remember walking across Ann Arbor. I was so thin back then.
[19:20] <brousch_> Ann Arbor's downtown largely lacks the seedier elements of most towns
[19:22] <greg-g> brousch_: true
[19:22] <greg-g> I lived .7 miles from downtown/ABC area. It was amazing.
[19:22] <greg-g> bad for my liver, but good for social life :)
[19:24] <cmaloney> Yeah, if I were more social I'd really appreciate having things within more walking distance
[19:28] <greg-g> but really, also nice for A) library B) decent food C) yoga classes D) farmers market E) everyone delivers to you F) uhh, I ran out
[19:32] <cmaloney> yeah
[19:32] <cmaloney> I can walk to our library but it's about a mile away
[19:33] <cmaloney> and it's across a few roads. :)
[19:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: and is it a pleasant walk? is crossing roads scary? are you going to get hit by a car?
[19:41] <rick_h_> 2.6mi on the walking desk today woot! no dangerous crossings :P
[19:42] <greg-g> rick_h_: #winning
[19:43] <rick_h_> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1mSYgGN45c ftw
[19:44] <rick_h_> who knew tying shoes could be cool :)
[19:46] <jrwren> rick_h_: that just seems convoluted.
[19:46] <rick_h_> jrwren: great fit/feel though
[19:46] <jrwren> I'll try it someday. :)
[19:46] <jrwren> since I don't run, I keep 'em loose and slide 'em on and off
[19:47] <rick_h_> right using it on the walking shoes for the walking day
[20:21] <cmaloney> I always wondered what those extra holes were for
[20:21] <cmaloney> But I wear converse so no such luck. :)
[21:07] <cmaloney> http://bundleofholding.com/index/current/name/Family
[21:07] <cmaloney> Family-friendly RPGs
[21:23] <rick_h_> cmaloney: what do you use for epub on ubuntu?
[21:29] <cmaloney> Let me check
[21:30] <cmaloney> Honestly for most of my reading I use Google PLay Books
[21:30] <cmaloney> But just to see what's in there I use FBReader
[21:30] <cmaloney> If you find something better let me know
[21:31] <cmaloney> Most of the ones I've seen make XPDF look great.
[21:33] <cmaloney> http://tunein.com/radio/Open-Metalcast-p670562/
[21:33] <cmaloney> Yay. :)
[21:41] <_stink_> cool!


[11:13] <mei> hello, happy to see that netplan reached a stable release
[11:14] <mei> i still have an old issue which i hope it got fixed: there is any why to apply a 'ip rule' as reverse?
[11:14] <mei> i don't see anything yet in documentation
[11:14] <mei> the specific case is that i watch to match packets not marked with code
[11:15] <mei> instead of the matching packets market by that
[11:15] <mei> s/watch/want/
[11:16] <mei> in systemd-networkd which is my backend, there is the directive 'InvertRule' under [RoutingPolicyRule
[11:16] <mei> that's what i need...
[11:20] <mei> as you can see https://netplan.readthedocs.io/en/stable/netplan-yaml/#routing
[11:21] <mei> there is nothing about it under routing-policy
[11:21] <mei> however https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd.network.html#InvertRule=
[11:34] <danilogondolfo> Hello, I'm afraid Netplan still doesn't support this option. Do you mind creating a feature request on Launchpad so we can keep track of it?
[11:42] <OnkelTem> Hi folks. How to install latest netplain.io on Ubuntu 22.04?
[11:47] <OnkelTem> It currently uses 106, while I need 107 (because of virtual-ethernets)
[11:47] <OnkelTem> Is there a PPA?
[14:26] <mei> there is a related ticket already https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1924227
[14:27] <mei> which exposes how many fields available for routing policy are missing in netplan
[14:27] <mei> not sure that opening one for each field is worth. considering that this one didn't have an asnwer at all
[16:06] <mei> i'm also interested to update netplan on 22.04 :o
[16:10] <danilogondolfo> We do have plans to update netplan to 0.107 on 22.04 on the next weeks. So the best way to install it on 22.04 is to wait for the update :)
[16:35] <mei> great!


[11:49] <Kurdistan> hi guys I read on ubuntuforums
[11:49] <Kurdistan> that xubuntu 12.04 will be support 3 years
[11:50] <Kurdistan> and not 5 years like regulare ubuntu
[11:50] <Kurdistan> is this true?