[13:12] <ikonia> hey TJ- what's up
[13:12] <ikonia> (sorry didn't see you join)
[13:14] <TJ-> ha! didn't realise  was here again :D ... darned autoreconnect !
[13:14]  * TJ- waves bye bye
[13:15] <ikonia> ahh, don't worry
[13:15] <ikonia> I do it all the time


[00:00] <blr> I think having two views is unnecessary and possibly even confusing.
[00:00] <wgrant> Indeed, people linking to single comments in forums is just annoying.
[00:01] <pepee> some comments give you more than enough info for what you are trying to show. for example, a workaround or specific info
[00:02] <pepee> that way, when linking you'd say "do what this link says"
[00:02] <pepee> I'm not a webdev, but... I'd leave it as it is, and simply add anchors
[00:03] <wgrant> But then you need two links to each comment.
[00:03] <pepee> people already know that lp links to comments anyway
[00:03] <wgrant> How do you distinguish them?
[00:03] <pepee> yes, which is what forums do
[00:03] <pepee> you click on the date, and get a link. you click on the number, and get an anchor
[00:03] <pepee> ... IIRC
[00:04] <wgrant> That doesn't make sense to me (and the number goes to the out-of-context page today)
[00:05] <pepee> yes, it would be the inverse, but... why not?
[00:06] <wgrant> I don't think "date goes to anchor, number goes out of context" is particularly understandable.
[00:09] <pepee> I'm just giving an example of how I think it could work
[00:10] <pepee> for the dual link/anchor thing
[00:10] <wgrant> Right, but I still really don't see a compelling argument for the single-comment view.
[00:11] <wgrant> We either have to have two links that non-obviously go to slightly different pages, or a single in-context view.
[00:11] <pepee> I mean, that's the way it works now. it doesn't make sense, but it's already working that way
[00:11] <pepee> instead of changing something, add something
[00:11] <wgrant> No, a link to a comment is always out-of-context.
[00:11] <wgrant> There aren't two slightly different links today.
[00:12] <pepee> yes, which I why I asked if someone could add anchors to LP
[00:12] <pepee> I don't even use forums that much, but sometimes context is not necessary, most of the time it is... depends on your needs
[00:13] <pepee> other reason would be to, say, reduce data usage
[00:14] <pepee> some bug reports are lengthy
[00:15] <wgrant> Right, and we only load 100 comments by default for that reason.
[00:15] <wgrant> In the anchor case, we'd load the 100 comments around that comment.
[00:20] <pepee> oh well, I'm not sure if I'm misreading or just not convincing you... in any case, I won't argue anymore
[00:20] <pepee> thanks for your work blr
[00:21] <pepee> also, please make sure it works if you disable JS...
[00:21] <wgrant> That's the only issue I see with the lack of out-of-context view.
[00:22] <wgrant> I'm happy to be convinced that the out-of-context view is useful, but I haven't seen a strong argument yet.
[00:22] <pepee> I'm saying that you could keep both, I have no clue about webdev, even less about webdesign
[00:23] <wgrant> It is certainly technically possible to keep both, but it is undoubtedly confusing.
[00:23] <pepee> in fact, apparently the "link to a specific post" feature in forums is kinda hidden...
[00:23] <wgrant> You seem to think we should keep the out-of-context view, and I'm interested to know why.
[00:24] <pepee> because it can be useful
[00:25] <pepee> imagine you are trying to show someone some specific command that was posted in LP, there is no need to show the whole bug report, you just link to that comment
[00:25] <wgrant> But is there a need to not show the whole bug report?
[00:25] <pepee> or you are talking about the bug report, but only want to show what someone said
[00:25] <pepee> no, there is no need to hide the context, but... there is also no need to load so many resources
[00:26] <wgrant> For the server, the overhead of having a separate view is greater than just rendering the bug.
[00:26] <wgrant> And the extra download size wouldn't be significant.
[00:27] <pepee> $ curl https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1432194/?comments=all | wc -c   352923
[00:27] <mup> Bug #1432194: Graphics unstable on Ubuntu 14.04 and 14.10 using Intel HD Graphics 5500 <amd64> <trusty> <verification-done> <OEM Priority Project:New> <xf86-video-intel:Unknown> <xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <xserver-xorg-video-intel-lts-utopic (Ubuntu):Invalid>
[00:27] <mup> <xserver-xorg-video-intel-lts-utopic (Ubuntu Trusty):Fix Committed> <xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Utopic):Fix Committed by tjaalton> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432194>
[00:27] <pepee> $ curl https://bugs.launch  pad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1432194/comments/85 | wc -c  14160
[00:27] <blr> github shoes the entire thread, and scrolls to the relevant comment fwiw.
[00:27] <blr> shows
[00:28] <wgrant> cjwatson: You said that the new lazr.delegates broke lazr.restful. Does that only affect the test suite, or are we likely to run into problems with your branch that upgrades LP?
[00:28] <blr> although there's no notion of a comment view there
[00:28] <pepee> 14160 vs 352923 bytes, > 20x, and that's only the page
[00:29] <pepee> and as I said, my guess is that most people will want show the comments in context anyway
[00:31] <wgrant> Right, and the question is whether the very few people who want them out of context justify the overhead and confusion of keeping the extra page around
[00:31] <wgrant> (and comments=all is cheating!)
[00:33] <pepee> I'm using firefox + noscript, and it's the only way I could see all the comments, but you can imagine that some threads are as lengthy as that one...
[00:34] <pepee> thing is, there must be a way to show them that the old "link-to-specific-post" feature exists
[00:34] <pepee> my way is simply looking at the url by moving the mouse pointer, now I'm not even sure how forums do that
[00:35] <pepee> I was wrong when I said that forums have links in the date
[00:39] <pepee> ahh, vbulletin removed this 5 years ago, heh
[00:45] <pepee> oh well, don't mind me...
[00:45] <wgrant> pepee: Hm, so they only provide the in-context link now?
[00:46] <wgrant> It's slightly more awkward for us, because we don't have a batched view, I admit.
[00:46] <pepee> http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/forum/vbulletin-4/vbulletin-4-suggestions/362540-open-single-post
[00:46] <pepee> "showpost.php has been removed for SEO reasons and I don't think it will come back."
[00:51] <pepee> I just don't get why it wasn't done that way from the start
[00:51] <pepee> could have copied functionality in forums...
[01:09] <wgrant> blr: How's the email testing going?
[01:26] <blr> wgrant: ok, although I had forgotten how awful evolution is. Did you want to deploy soon?
[01:27] <wgrant> blr: Yep, my testing seems fine as well. We can deploy whenever you want
[01:33] <blr> wgrant: diffs are all looking healthy
[01:34] <blr> wgrant: is there a binding for forcing a refresh in offlineimap?
[01:36] <blr> going to grab some lunch. 17614 should be green in a sec.
[01:36] <wgrant> blr: I've never used offlineimap.
[01:39] <blr> pleased I can test mail on qastaging, less painful than I thought it would be.
[01:40] <blr> ok, back in a bit.
[09:25] <cjwatson> wgrant: Barry fixed that in lazr.delegates 2.0.3, which is the version I upgraded to.
[09:25] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ahh
[09:56] <wgrant> Heh
[09:56] <wgrant> That didn't go well...
[09:56] <wgrant> Or the new lazr.delegates is really, really fast.
[09:57] <wgrant> Hum
[09:57] <wgrant> cjwatson: Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'nose==1.1.2'.
[10:00] <wgrant> Ah, it's in ztk-versions.cfg and lazr.delegates newly requires it.
[10:01] <wgrant> I guess you added it to lp-source-dependencies but didn't commit?
[10:01] <wgrant> Fixed.
[10:03] <cjwatson> Oh whoops, probably had junk in my download-cache and didn't notice
[10:03] <cjwatson> Thanks
[17:58] <ev> is https://app.asana.com/0/26780198332250/ up to date with yesterday's stakeholder meeting?
[18:04] <beuno> ev, I didn't add my "split out gpg and ssh storage to a separate service", could you throw that in?
[18:04] <ev> yup
[20:57] <rpadovani> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/webhook-api/+merge/264005
[20:58] <rpadovani> Guys, I swear you're making me want to learn well python to help you
[20:59] <rpadovani> (and if you start to work also on the UI of lp I definitely switch from helping ubuntu touch / oxide to lp
[22:36] <cjwatson> rpadovani: we are totally interested in taking patches for it even if we aren't currently focused on it :)
[22:37] <cjwatson> and will be happy to help mentor people who're motivated
[22:38] <rpadovani> I'm really tempted... A couple of weeks I finish uni exams and then I think I'll ping you with a couple of questions ;-)
[22:40] <cjwatson> sure thing


[18:19] <sbeattie> sgclark: around? Any chance you could fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1440501 ?
[18:27] <sgclark> sbeattie: yofel is already dealing with the akonadi mess
[18:27] <sgclark> it is in good hands
[18:31] <sbeattie> sgclark: well, the current version in vivid-proposed that he uploaded won't fix that bug.
[18:31] <sbeattie> but if he's got additional stuff in the pipeline, then great.
[18:32] <sgclark> sbeattie: mind if I direct him to you? my hands are full atm and I do not want to step on toes
[18:32] <sbeattie> sgclark: sure, is he in #kubuntu-devel? I can poke there.
[18:32] <sgclark> sbeattie: yep :)
[18:37] <sbeattie> sgclark: thanks. I asked you first, since I think it was your merge from debian that disabled the override_dh_installinit debian/rules target, and wondered if there was a specific reason why.
[18:47] <sgclark> sbeattie: this is interesting, because I am looking at my merge files now and that dh_installinit is not disabled. Somewhere in the pipelines it happened.. but not with my initial merge.
[18:52] <sbeattie> hunh, weird.


[02:26] <akk> pleia2: Is an Intel E2140 machine (945 graphics, 1G RAM, ran Linux just fine but we've pulled the hard drive) something Partimus would want?
[05:53] <philballew> pleia2, `yeah. ill do it tonight
[05:54] <philballew> bkerensa, I dont see why people would not wanna idle in a channel
[05:54] <philballew> I idle is so many freenode channels
[09:45] <philballew> Email sent to the list
[09:45] <philballew> because people are totally awake now anyway...
[14:01] <pleia2> thanks \o/
[15:03] <pleia2> updated lp and ltp and all
[16:17] <kdub> grantbow,  philballew, congrats
[16:19] <philballew> hey, thanks kdub !
[17:15] <devnewbee> hey there. Im a newbee willing to develope and liek to know whether there is a road map for developing on the unity UI ? - Im a littl lsot in the bare code.
[17:16] <philballew> devnewbee, sure.
[17:16] <philballew> Your from california? welcome to the loco channel.
[17:17] <devnewbee> Actually Im from europe.
[17:17] <philballew> oh, well hello anyway
[17:17] <philballew> http://unity.ubuntu.com/
[17:17] <darthrobot`> Title: [Unity | Unity]
[17:18] <philballew> http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[17:18] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu App Developer]
[17:18] <raevol> hello
[17:18] <philballew> raevol, san diego ubuntu hour next thursday
[17:18] <devnewbee> very friendly. I have seen those pages before. I installed the source code and compiled properly.
[17:18] <raevol> philballew: what time
[17:18] <philballew> 6
[17:18] <devnewbee> still the code isnt quite comprehendible to me.
[17:19] <raevol> ok
[17:19] <raevol> same place?
[17:19] <philballew> yeah
[17:19] <philballew> on sports arena across from ino
[17:20] <raevol> cool cool
[17:20] <raevol> i should be there
[17:20] <philballew> ill have some ubuntu stuff for you
[17:20] <raevol> i'll have some big wet sloppy kisses for you
[17:20] <raevol> kidding kidding...
[17:21]  * philballew hugs raevol
[17:21]  * raevol swoons
[17:22] <raevol> i've started using workspaces on my work (ubuntu) computer
[17:22] <raevol> most of all i enjoy swooshing back and forth between different workspaces
[17:22] <philballew> I sometimes leave a full screen terminal on one
[17:23] <raevol> that's a good idea
[17:23] <raevol> or two side by side ones!
[17:24] <devnewbee> Do you guys maybe know where a "openDashboard() " is invoked when the icon is clicked?
[17:24] <raevol> kernel update, brb
[17:27] <philballew> devnewbee, so were not actually the unity people
[17:27] <philballew> but #ubuntu-unity is
[17:27] <philballew> were just good at pasting links
[17:28] <devnewbee> that is a sense of humor. alrighty.
[17:30] <devnewbee> thank you
[17:34] <raevol> i return
[20:43] <raevol> http://i.imgur.com/0pFPz.png
[20:43] <darthrobot`> Content type: [image/png] Size: [692652]


[12:38] <asac> Luke: no i have to look at all that is NetworkManager related
[12:39] <Luke> i really think it's a Purdue problem not NM but we need an expert to help us fix the prblem
[12:40] <asac> Luke: Usually its good to start with the line where network manager starts when providing a syslog
[12:40] <Luke> kk
[12:40] <Luke> you mean /var/log/syslog right?
[12:40] <asac> yes
[12:53] <Creteil> hi all
[12:53] <Creteil> I'm currently running testing (gutsy) and playing with suspend (ram & disk) & resume ...
[12:54] <Creteil> I hava acheived to suspend to ram properly, and also resuming from this step ...
[12:55] <Creteil> This only thing blocking when the laptop resumed is the sound can't be used under gnome since the loopback interface was not up after resume.
[12:55] <pkern> Hm. cryptopts=source=/dev/sda5 fixed the initramfs part, but I get another (useless) prompt later before fsck/
[12:56] <Creteil> so, a simple sudo /etc/init.d/loopback stop & /etc/init.d/loopback start fix the problem
[12:56] <Creteil> I just want to know if you know where i can put theses commands at resume step ?
[01:01] <lamont> dear archive gods.  please accept linux-source-2.6.22 for hppa.  thanks muchly
[01:02] <jdong> Creteil: /etc/acpi/resume.d should be executed on resume...
[01:03] <Creteil> jdong : thanks, I'm gonna check that now ...
[02:53] <ScottK> cjwatson: Thanks (for pushing wine).
[03:02] <IntuitiveNipple> ScottK: Thanks for getting it working nicely on 64-bit :)
[03:35] <ScottK> IntuitiveNipple: I just uploaded it.  Scott Ritchie and \sh did the work.
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh... ok, well share the karma around :)
[08:43] <slangasek> cjwatson: the effect of bug #122281 isn't clear to me; it's true that eject-udeb still isn't in the initrd, but CD ejection seems to trigger just fine at the end of the install for me so I guess it gets pulled in post-initrd?
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122281 in debian-installer "eject not available in the initrd" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122281
[11:24] <Chris40> i am sorry i am posting here the msg , i tryed #ubuntu nobody answer there , : how can i Adding a startup script to be run at bootup ? (this is the command line i use in the terminal to load the script "nohup ./new_sockets.pl &") ?
[11:25] <mpt> Chris40, if nobody in #ubuntu can help you might try asking at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:25] <Kmos> Chris40: use the gnome sessions
[11:25] <Kmos> Chris40: menu System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[11:25] <Kmos> Chris40: next time try mpt suggestion
[11:26] <Chris40> does gnome sessions load the script in sudo access ?
[11:26] <Lutin> no
[11:26] <Chris40> so how can i load the script in sudo access on the startup (booting) ?
[11:27] <Lutin> put it in /etc/rc.local
[11:32] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[11:38] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, it should be
[11:38] <cjwatson> slangasek: I've unmilestoned that bug, I'm not sure how it ended up milestoned
[11:38] <cjwatson> I think it's just if you need to eject early on
[11:39] <cjwatson> oh, might be different for netboot
[01:26] <Mirv> Theora has beta1 release, if someone is interested. Performance has improved quite a lot, among else. Testable in debian unstable.
[02:03] <stgraber> pitti: Hi, I've got a fix for the ekiga crash we currently have (when trying to make a call or receiving one), it's more or less rebuilding both libopal and ekiga (just a small patch on ekiga's configure to build against the new libpt we have). Don't know if you want that in before beta.
[02:03] <pitti> stgraber: please get it both uploaded (with proper strict build-depends), I'll have a look
[02:03] <pitti> stgraber: thanks for fixing it!
[02:16] <stgraber> pitti: any core dev I can ping today (both opal and ekiga are main) or shall I wait tomorrow when everyone is back to work ?
[02:35] <Kopfgeldjaeger> !packaging guide
[02:35] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[02:45] <pochu> stgraber: there are some community core-devs, so you may be lucky and find one who is around and willing to sponsor you
[02:45] <stgraber> LaserJock: feel like checking my debdiffs+upload ?
[03:17] <pkern> ogra: ping
[03:49] <MacSlow> if anybody wants to get the "genie"-effect back for the minimize-animation of compiz' animation-plugin, apply http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/03_minimize_vacuum.patch to the source-package of compiz-fusion-plugins-main
[03:50] <ion_> ...or just edit your personal compiz settings. ;-)
[03:50] <MacSlow> ion_, no that does not work
[03:51] <MacSlow> ion_, only with this patch one is able to change the minimize-animation to "Vacuum", which is the genie-effect actually
[03:51] <ion_> Ok
[03:52] <MacSlow> I really don't know why the compiz folks didn't leave it in
[03:53] <MacSlow> it does not have to be the default and sw-patents... I have to look up that term in a dictionary :)
[03:55] <cjwatson> MacSlow: that patch appears to make it the default, because the default is expressed as a number and you added it before Zoom, the previous default ...
[03:55] <cjwatson> if the preferences are numeric, doesn't that mean that new items should always be added at the end?
[03:57] <lambda> hi
[03:57] <lambda> I am packaging a php/mysql server application
[03:57] <MacSlow> cjwatson, no the order seems to be important... for some reason the animation-types of this compiz-fusion want to be ordered in alphabetical order
[03:57] <cjwatson> ugh
[03:58] <cjwatson> it should store defaults and such as strings then :)
[03:58] <lambda> I put the sources there http://<IP_ADDRESS>//topic
[03:58] <MacSlow> cjwatson, well yes... my patch makes vacuum/genie for the minimize animation the default... just a convenience for myself, since it's probably not going to be added to ubuntu or even move upstream
[03:59] <mjg59> cjwatson: What would be the most sensible way of handling a situation where we want to build binary packages targetted at multiverse from a source that's in main?
[03:59] <mjg59> (I fully expect the answer to be "don't")
[04:01] <cjwatson> mjg59: that is indeed the answer - it's technically possible in our archive (unlike in Debian) but disallowed by policy
[04:02] <mjg59> cjwatson: ffmpeg has various bits of functionality that would be helpful, but would need to be targetted at multiverse (and require additional build-depends, also not in main)
[04:03] <mjg59> I guess the obvious answer is a separate multiverse source package?
[04:16] <cjwatson> mjg59: yeah
[05:13] <ion_> Hi BenC
[05:13] <ion_> benc: Did you notice my message from yesterday?
[05:13] <BenC> ion_: no
[05:14] <ion_> benc: In the newest l-r-m package, nvidia_supported still doesnt contain my fix, and a line has been added to it that makes it output incorrect lines.
[05:14] <ion_> benc: http://heh.fi/tmp/nvidia_supported should work.
[05:16] <BenC> ion_: ok, thanks
[05:19] <BenC> ion_: fix uploaded
[05:19] <ion_> Thanks
[05:56] <ion_> Now apt-mark-sync contains ams-run: ams-run aptitude install foobar is equivalent to aptitude install foobar && apt-mark-sync aptitude all, ams-run debfoster is equivalent to debfoster && apt-mark-sync debfoster all etc.
[06:12] <lamont> BenC: did you happen to drop the gcc-3.4 build-dep and usage in debian/rules, or should I chase your lrm upload?
[06:12] <BenC> lamont: doh, I forgot, sorry
[06:12] <BenC> yeah, follow up on that I guess
[06:13] <lamont> BenC: OK
[06:13] <ion_> benc: Is there a VCS branch for l-r-m yet?
[06:14] <ion_> A public one, that is. :-)
[06:15] <BenC> ion_: we had one, and removed it because it was too much of a pain
[06:15] <ion_> Oh. :-(
[06:21] <lamont> ion_: the VCS for lrm is located at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 :-)
[06:23] <lamont> BenC: uploaded
[06:23] <BenC> lamont: thanks
[06:24] <ion_> lamont: I cant have my own branch at archive.ubuntu.com. :-P
[06:24] <lamont> thank you - I was stalling on uploading last night, thinking about beta freeze..
[06:24] <lamont> ion_: ppa, dude.
[06:27] <lamont> ion_: 99% of the uploads are just abi bumps.  -> pain
[06:36] <Lamego> hello
[06:36] <lamont> hello
[06:36] <Lamego> is anyone familiar with apt dynamic mirrors selection (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DynamicMirrorDecisions ) ?
[06:38] <Lamego> :(
[06:38] <ion_> Whats so sad about dynamic mirrors selection?
[06:39] <Lamego> it is sad that I am unable to get proper information about it :P
[06:48] <xtknight> this is a new bug, right?  or is this somehow by design that i'm missing.. this is a daily cd from a couple days ago, i dont see anything on launchpad about it  http://xtknight.atothosting.com/images/ubiq-122pc.png
[07:28] <mlankhorst> hmm.. it's really a bad idea to enable Xgl with fglrx, the xgl server dies about once every 5 minutes here, plus all the slowing down things + redraw bugs if compiz isn't used :-/
[07:29] <jdong> fglrx+xgl works fine here, but I havea pretty modern r500.
[07:29] <mlankhorst> as do I..
[07:31] <mlankhorst> it's really a better idea to delay it slightly and hope ati will release 8.42 soon
[07:31] <jdong> I disagree
[07:31] <Amaranth> arg
[07:31] <Amaranth> i wish mvo was around
[07:32] <jdong> we can worry about 8.42 when it comes out
[07:32] <jdong> for all we know it could be equally unstable
[07:32] <Amaranth> We don't enable Xgl automatically when you install fglrx
[07:32] <Amaranth> Xgl is in universe and must be installed manually
[07:32] <mlankhorst> it does in gutsy
[07:32] <Amaranth> No, you installed it
[07:32] <jdong> no, you must install xserver-xgl
[07:32] <Amaranth> If you install it it will start automatically
[07:32] <jdong> if you just install fgrlx, Xgl does not activate
[07:33] <mlankhorst> ah ok, must be from my previous attempt at xgl, then
[07:33] <Amaranth> Right, Xgl has been modified in gutsy to make itself start automatically in gutsy
[07:33] <Martinp23> Is there something strange going on with the hppa buildds?  I see packages there waiting for >18hrs... :S
[07:33] <Amaranth> So you just install and go
[07:33] <Amaranth> Martinp23: is openoffice.org trying to build? :)
[07:33] <jdong> lol
[07:34] <Martinp23> lol - there doesn't seem to be anything currently building
[07:34] <Martinp23> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/hppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=building
[07:34] <Amaranth> Martinp23: that says gobby started a minute ago
[07:35] <geser> Martinp23: hppa started building packages some days/weeks ago
[07:35] <geser> again
[07:35] <Martinp23> aha I see
[07:35] <geser> so no need to worry about hppa builds at the moment
[07:36] <Martinp23> thanks for the explanation :)
[07:52] <Le-Chuck_IT1>  Hi there, somebody knows what packages are implementing the specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootLoginWithFullFilesystem
[07:53] <Le-Chuck_IT1> it happened and I need to debug it a little
[07:56] <mlankhorst> hm, another crash, seems xgl doesn' t like konversation :-/
[08:07] <cjwatson> xtknight: please file that one as a bug
[08:13] <IntuitiveNipple> cjwatson: when you get a sec, could you cast your eye over https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/143958/comments/5
[08:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 143958 in debian-installer "Gutsy Alternate fails: cannot detect and mount CD-ROM" [Undecided,New]
[08:20] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: I saw it in #ubuntu-installer backlog, thanks; it's already on my list for first thing Monday
[08:25] <xtknight> cjwatson, done, Bug 144278
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144278 in ubiquity "ubiquity reports progress of over 100 percent" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144278
[08:25] <cjwatson> thanks
[08:25] <xtknight> no problem
[08:25] <IntuitiveNipple> cjwatson: ok... I was mostly interested in whether the patch is appropriate... I had to dive into the d-i code at short notice :)
[08:27] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: list-devices is the right place to start, but I don't like this business of checking the device name
[08:28] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: the odd thing is that it doesn't get ID_CDROM
[08:28] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: and contrary to your report, ID_CDROM doesn't contradict DEVTYPE=disk - my internal CD here has both
[08:29] <IntuitiveNipple> cjwatson: ahhh ok, I was wondering about that. The key seems to be that for those external IEEE1394 devices they appear as disks
[08:30] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: apparently the CDROM_GET_CAPABILITY ioctl fails for them
[08:30] <cjwatson> which in my book makes them kind of not CD drives ;-)
[08:30] <cjwatson> but I'll look into it
[08:31] <cjwatson> it may be that your hack is the right answer for now
[08:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe there is a deeper issue then - would explain why I had the same issue on a PowerEdge server with a SCSI CD-ROM
[08:32] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm going to try the same solution on that server tomorrow - it's in the garage so I don't fancy standing out in the cold right now :)
[08:32] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: could you put the full udevinfo for that device in the bug? you included an incomplete snippet
[08:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Hmmm... let me check; I've got it on remote ssh atm, since there's big issues with the video-driver too
[08:34] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: oh, and also the output of 'sudo /lib/udev/cdrom_id /dev/scd0'
[08:34] <cjwatson> with any luck that will display an error
[08:35] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@riva ~>$ dpkg -c /mirror/ubuntu/pool/main/u/udev/udev-udeb_113-0ubuntu9_i386.udeb | grep cdrom
[08:35] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@riva ~>$
[08:35] <cjwatson> I blame udev
[08:35] <cjwatson> oho
[08:35] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... does it help to have a CD in the drive? I'm seeing nothing atm
[08:35] <cjwatson> again
[08:36] <IntuitiveNipple> oh.. the sr0 device isn't listed now the system is booted :(
[08:36] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: I'd still be interested to see what the ID_TYPE is, if you can figure out a way to get udevinfo
[08:36] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: but I think I know where the bug is here anyway
[08:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm chasing it :)
[08:41] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: will fix now though it won't help until d-i is rebuilt (which should happen tomorrow or so)
[08:42] <IntuitiveNipple> You'll love this! I got the udevinfo after reconnecting and restarting the PC, and it reports ID_CDROM=1 now!
[08:42] <IntuitiveNipple> So, is this something limited to the installer environment?
[08:43] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[08:44] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: does it have ID_TYPE=cd
[08:44] <cjwatson> ?
[08:44] <cjwatson> or what's the ID_TYPE, otherwise
[08:44] <IntuitiveNipple> hold tight - just adding it to the bug report for you
[08:47] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: ok, waiting
[08:48] <ivoks> shouldn't mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] , in case it can't resolve, delegate resolving to dns?
[08:49] <IntuitiveNipple> sorry about that; my WAP/router decided to reboot itself with factory default settings!
[08:49] <IntuitiveNipple> bug report updated
[08:50] <cjwatson> right, no ID_TYPE indeed
[08:51] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: the problem was just that the CD identification tool wasn't in the installer environment
[08:51] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: fix uploaded
[08:51] <IntuitiveNipple> aha!
[08:51] <cjwatson> thanks for the help, that probably affected a lot of SCSI CDs
[08:51] <IntuitiveNipple> Nice one Colin; thank-you! I've suffered hours of stress trying to sort that one :)
[08:52] <IntuitiveNipple> now all we need is the unionfs bug fix and I *might* be able to get Gutsy to install from LiveCD :)
[08:52] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: pkl has more locking fixes for that I think, so I'll suggest that he upload the most conservative possible set on Monday
[08:52] <cjwatson> fortunately that's just linux-ubuntu-modules which is a relatively quick build
[08:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes; the latest he uploaded seemed to help but there's also a blank-video issue that doesn't help!
[08:53] <cjwatson> I get that occasionally too, I'm not sure what's going on
[08:53] <cjwatson> as in nothing on the vts?
[08:53] <IntuitiveNipple> Could really do with ssh server installed and started *real* early for these alpha releases :)
[08:54] <cjwatson> pkgsel/include=openssh-server
[08:54] <IntuitiveNipple> nope, nothing... thats with the Vaio SRX51 & SRX41 (i810) and the Acer Travelmate C104TCi (silicon motion)
[08:54] <cjwatson> openssh-server starts at rc2.d/S16 nowadays
[08:55] <IntuitiveNipple> is it on the LiveCDs then?
[08:55] <cjwatson> no
[08:55] <cjwatson> that I can't easily help you wish
[08:55] <cjwatson> with
[08:55] <cjwatson> you might find that disabling usplash is enouygh
[08:55] <cjwatson> enough
[08:55] <cjwatson> F6 to edit the kernel command line, and delete "splash"
[08:55] <IntuitiveNipple> unfortunately, so far, it hasn't helped.
[08:55] <cjwatson> hmm
[08:55] <cjwatson> I blame the kernel :)
[08:56] <cjwatson> (un-usefully)
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been trying tribe and daily builds on the Vaio's since tribe-3 and so far not had much luck, but until unionfs is finally solved it might be the affects of that
[08:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Feisty installed and runs perfectly on them
[08:57] <IntuitiveNipple> It's kinds of weird, because this Vaio VGN-FE41Z wouldn't play nicely with Feisty but with Gutsy it's perfect. With the SRX's it's the other way around
[09:01] <cjwatson> IntuitiveNipple: getting the alternate CD working will let you rule out unionfs
[09:10] <IntuitiveNipple> cjwatson: Well, with my work-around I can at least get that installed now... I suppose I should start testing the SRX's but why spoil a successful Sunday night!?
[09:10] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll leave the stress for tomorrow :p
[09:25] <mjg59> Amaranth: 2000 or later ATI?
[09:26] <mjg59> Amaranth: fglrx has the necessary support now?
[09:27] <jdong> fglrx 8.41 supports the HD2000 series....
[09:27] <jdong> but however it doesn't work well with pervious generations :)
[09:27] <jdong> 8.42 is supposed to support all generations equally again.
[09:27] <jdong> AMD also tags 8.41 as beta-quality too
[09:28] <Nafallo> jdong: what was it before? :-)
[09:28] <mjg59> jdong: With indirect acceleration?
[09:28] <jdong> mjg59: no, no indirect until 8.42 :)
[09:28] <mjg59> Right. Hence my question.
[09:28] <jdong> Nafallo: lol at least before it worked to some degree on all cards :)
[09:29] <jdong> Nafallo: 8.41 can't play fullscreen video smoothly on my x1400
[09:29] <jdong> however, performance on the HD2000's is spectacular
[09:29] <Nafallo> jdong: I try to stick with Intel ;-)
[09:29] <jdong> Nafallo: agreed :) until we see how these new-fangled radeonhd drivers work out
[09:30] <Nafallo> naah, will still stick with intel ;-)
[09:47] <Kopfgeldjaeger> somebody else and me translated the rhythmbox documentation into german. can we still get it into gutsy?
[09:58] <geser> Kopfgeldjaeger: I guess so, try asking during the week when everybody is here
[09:58] <Kopfgeldjaeger> geser: ok, thats nice
[09:59] <ScottK> Isn't there an IRC channel just for translation stuff?
[10:01] <geser> ScottK: #ubuntu-doc perhaps?
[10:01] <Amaranth> mjg59: No but it's whitelisted
[10:02] <Amaranth> mjg59: and i was talking later r200 and r300
[10:02] <mjg59> Amaranth: Uhm. Why did you mention 2000, then?
[10:02] <Amaranth> mjg59: nvidia
[10:02] <Amaranth> mjg59: and the ati ones that work with the open source stuff
[10:02] <mjg59> Oh, you mean the year 2000
[10:02] <mjg59> Right
[10:02] <jander99> is hwdb.ubuntu.com or hardware collection in general broken?
[10:02] <mjg59> Not the 2000 serise
[10:02] <Amaranth> right
[10:03] <mjg59> That's somewhat confusing :)
[10:03] <Amaranth> hehe
[10:03] <mjg59> Though I think the r200 only appeared in 2002 or so
[10:04] <Amaranth> oh?
[10:04] <Amaranth> i know nvidia from around 2000 works
[10:05] <Amaranth> well, except for the out-of-memory stuff
[10:08] <rohan> i just checked that with the latest live cd, my screen resolution is NOT correctly detected anymore - 1280x800 on intel gma 950. is this bug already known and filed anywhere ? if not, what package do i file it against ?
[10:08] <jdong> rohan: I can confirm
[10:08] <jdong> my 1280x800 macbook panel is detected in 1024x768
[10:08] <jdong> and the displayconfig-gtk util was capable of correcting the resolution
[10:11] <mjg59> rohan: xresprobe
[10:23] <roha1> jdong: i got disconnected
[10:23] <roha1> what did you type ?
[10:24] <rohan> jdong: i mean, relating to that resolution bug
[10:24] <jdong> I said my 1280x800 macbook has the same autodetect problem
[10:24] <mjg59> The bug should be filed against xresprobe
[10:53] <cjwatson> poppy's down - I called elmo, he's on it
[10:53] <cjwatson> er poppy == upload.ubuntu.com
[10:54] <Nafallo> the fqdn made so much more sense :-)
[10:55] <cjwatson> back up now
[10:55] <cjwatson> elmo: thanks
[10:57] <geser> siretart: ^^^
[11:04] <siretart> geser: thanks!
[11:04] <siretart> works :)
[11:06] <Kopfgeldjaeger> gn8


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[15:28] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks for the call for volunteers.
[15:31] <nlsthzn> call to arms more like it :D
[15:33] <akgraner> :-)
[15:34] <akgraner> bkerensa, I have an appointment to night but should be back home by 6pm your time - would you have some time tonight
[15:35] <akgraner> I'll get with pleia2 today to make sure I have the list of everything you'll need to install so you can run the scripts
[18:08] <bkerensa> akgraner: 6pm PST works good for me
[18:08] <akgraner> awesome
[18:08] <akgraner> thanks
[18:08] <akgraner> pleia2, what does bkerensa need to have installed before I walk him through the publishing process?
[18:09] <akgraner> do we have a list somewhere (sorry if you told me)
[18:09] <pleia2> I don't remember, I'd have to look back on irc logs
[18:09] <pleia2> (can't right now, but I can try to later)
[18:11] <akgraner> that's fine - :-)
[18:11] <akgraner> I think I can screen share just to demo for now
[18:11] <akgraner> :-)
[18:11] <pleia2> it's mostly just python scripts though, and they error in a way that makes it pretty easy to figure out what's missing
[18:12] <akgraner> bkerensa, you're familiar enough with python right? I wasn't so I needed help
[18:15] <bkerensa> akgraner: Not familiar enough yet :P I'm not even halfway through the book I'm learning from
[18:15] <bkerensa> I know bits and pieces :D
[18:15] <pleia2> not python programming issues, just syadmin stuff - what modules are missing and you need to apt-get install
[18:16] <bkerensa> pleia2 uhh yeah that shouldn't be a problem
[18:16] <bkerensa> :D
[18:18] <bkerensa> pleia2: sudo pip install module
[18:18] <bkerensa> ?
[18:18] <pleia2> no, they are all packaged for ubuntu
[18:18] <bkerensa> ahh
[18:18] <bkerensa> much easier then
[18:18] <pleia2> don't install the ones from the python repos, I don't know that they'll work (different versions, etc)
[18:19] <bkerensa> yeah
[20:20] <akgraner> bkerensa, my daughter has to sing the National Anthem tonight at an ROTC event - but I should be back in time - if not it shouldn't be much past 1830 your time.
[20:21] <bkerensa> akgraner: No worries :) We are doing Google Hangout right?
[20:22] <akgraner> that's what I was thinking
[20:22] <akgraner> that way I can show you my screen if I need too
[20:45] <pleia2> working on the release post to fridge
[20:57] <akgraner> thanks pleia2 Kate just pinged me
[20:57] <pleia2> it's out
[20:58] <akgraner> Thanks pleia2 :-)
[20:59] <pleia2> sure thing, now back to work for real!
[21:36] <akgraner> pleia2, I just learned you can at ! in front of a work that hotlinks and get the same effect as using ``
[21:36] <akgraner> s/work/word
[21:36] <pleia2> yeah, we decided to use `` rather than !
[21:37] <pleia2> I think it's in our style guidelines
[21:37] <pleia2> (I always used to use !)
[21:37] <pleia2> only started using `` when I got to UWN :)
[21:37] <akgraner> :-) I find pleasure in the smallest of things
[21:37] <pleia2> hehe


[03:16] <robertj> hrmm getting Failed to set servicePrincipalNames. Please ensure that the DNS domain of this server matches the AD domain, Or rejoin with using Domain Admin credentials on net ads join on Fesity but Edgy works fine
[03:44] <robertj> hrmm it appears that the FQDN must be present in /etc/hosts
[03:45] <robertj> ajmitch: is there any sane way to get a rlookup & get it in there automagically?


 I use it on my thinkpad.
[12:34] <leszek> the ui itself isn't so bad if it would work faster
[12:34] <pcman> But the UI is really...I don't know what to say.
[12:34] <pcman> it's a little bit too creative.
[12:35] <leszek> I switched to unity2d which works faster and seems to be more stable
[12:35] <pcman> looks good, but hard to use.
[12:35] <pcman> I hate it so much!
[12:35] <pcman> Installation is finished!
[12:35] <pcman> time to reboot.
[12:35] <pcman> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop later!
[12:35] <leszek> I don't think its hard to use basically, as I am mostly using only the starters in the launcher or hotkeys
[12:35] <pcman> lol
[12:35] <pcman> leszek: I'm not using unity2d.
[12:36] <pcman> leszek: I'm using the default one in ubuntu.
[12:36] <leszek> :)
[12:36] <leszek> yeah unity3d basically
[12:36] <pcman> no idea how to use it correctly.
[12:36] <pcman> let's install lubuntu.
[12:36] <pcman> see you.
[12:36] <leszek> pcman: honestly the sense of lenses or how they call the new main menu in ubuntu makes no sense for me at all
[15:04] <leszek> re
[16:11] <canidae> evening. i'm trying to make the keyboard layout permanently norwegian (by changing /etc/default/keyboard), but still it keeps reverting back to american layout. anyone have some suggestions?
[16:35] <bindi> hi
[16:35] <bindi> is a p3 833mhz powerful enough for lubuntu
[16:36] <bindi> its a laptop.. 256 ram
[16:37] <frankbooth> bindi should be enough, yeah
[16:40] <frankbooth> canidae try this in a terminal (not sure if 'no' is norweigan): setxkbmap -layout no
[16:40] <frankbooth> if that works, an ugly solution would be to add the command in autostart
[16:40] <bindi> how long the install should load for
[16:40] <bindi> clicked install ubuntu and its taking a good while
[16:42] <frankbooth> bindi have patience :)
[16:42] <bindi> 10 mins
[16:42] <bindi> so far
[16:43] <frankbooth> wait a little longer to be sure, if you have problems with the graphical installer you could always use an alternate cd
[17:05] <bindi> is alternate install hard? will it have options to select or do i have to do everything by hand
[17:40] <bindi> frankbooth: we ran out of patience, reaallly slow .. trying alternate installer tomorrow
[17:41] <frankbooth> bindi http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[17:41] <frankbooth> this guide is good, might want to check it out
[17:42] <frankbooth> after install is finished, simply do 'sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop'
[17:42] <bindi> yeah okay
[17:42] <bioterror> --no-install-recommends!
[17:43] <frankbooth> opsie, thx bioterror :)
[18:37] <tomeo> Anyone else who has experienced constant freezes of Lubuntu just as you're getting into the os?
[18:38] <tomeo> (doesnt matter if I disable gui, still freezes)
[18:43] <bioterror> tomeo, check your RAM
[18:43] <bioterror> tomeo, if your mem is okay, check your hdd
[18:44] <tomeo> bioterror: both ubuntu and crunchbang and windows run fine
[18:44] <bioterror> lubuntu is same as your ubuntu
[18:45] <tomeo> bioterror: if its the same, why are they two different distros?
[18:45] <bioterror> becouse another one comes with GNOME and another comes with Openbox and LXDE
[18:46] <svkoskin> they are not
[18:46] <bioterror> exactly same kernels and binaries
[18:46] <svkoskin> they use same packages, other installation media provides merely different userspace programs
[18:48] <bioterror> so if you've run memtest86 and you're sure you dont have anything wrong with the hdd, we can start wondering what could cause the freeze
[18:48] <bioterror> but I'm 100% it's hardware related
[18:48] <bioterror> +sure
[18:48] <tomeo> bioterror: could it be that my install media was corrupt?
[18:48] <bioterror> have you checked md5?
[18:49] <tomeo> bioterror: nah, im too big of a noob to work those things just yet
[18:49] <bioterror> !md5
[18:49] <tomeo> this was my first attempt at installing linux :)
[18:52] <tomeo> bioterror: okay I have the md5 sum of my image, but what is it supposed to be?
[18:53] <Numbskull> #toybox
[18:54] <bioterror> tomeo, http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/11.04/MD5SUMS
[18:54] <tomeo> bioterror: they add up
[18:55] <bioterror> that's good
[18:56] <canidae> frankbooth: cheers, that seems to work, i'll just put that in a script that's run when i log in
[18:56] <tomeo> bioterror: but wouldn't you say its quite odd if there is in fact a hardware error that ubuntu, crunchbang and windows all work?
[18:56] <canidae> s/that's run/that runs/
[18:57] <bioterror> tomeo, does your LiveCD crash or your installation?
[18:57] <tomeo> bioterror: neither. after install and reboot Lubuntu works fine. Then when I reboot again it freezes
[18:57] <tomeo> so I tried to reinstall
[18:57] <tomeo> and exact same thing happened
[19:00] <bioterror> you get just blinking "_"?
[19:00] <tomeo> bioterror: no blinking, freeze
[19:01] <bioterror> you cannot go to console by pressing CTRL+ALT+f1?
[19:01] <tomeo> bioterror: nope, and I tried starting it as TEXT so that I didnt have a gui at all. still froze
[19:11] <bioterror> hard case
[19:11] <bioterror> tomeo, if you take ubuntu 11.04, it works flawlessly?
[19:11] <tomeo> bioterror: yes
[19:12] <tomeo> bioterror: but I dont want to use it as its very slow
[19:12] <tomeo> and I hate the UI
[19:12] <bioterror> you can always remove the gnome stuff ;)
[19:12] <tomeo> Lubuntu was awesome when it worked :)
[19:12] <tomeo> Even my multigesture trackpad was working
[19:12] <tomeo> Sound wasnt working tho, but I bet I couldve got that working somehow
[19:13] <bioterror> usually volume level is low in alsamixer
[19:13] <tomeo> bioterror: I actually maxed it
[19:13] <tomeo> in the terminal version of alsamixer
[19:14] <Soojin> heh the panel menu button where you control the width of the bottom bar locked itself and just kept going higher and higher in width so i had to kill it and now my menu is gone ;)
[19:14] <tomeo> I think I have to do the hda-intel thing to get the sound working on lubuntu
[19:14] <Soojin> I wonder how I can bring it back without restarting my computerr
[19:15] <bioterror> Soojin, goto console and restart lxdm
[19:15] <bioterror> :)
[19:15] <bioterror> if you kill panel, you cant run alt+f2
[19:16] <bioterror> so only good trick to start that panel is to restart X
[19:16] <Soojin> ok:)
[19:16] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[19:22] <Soojin> is there any way to actually change the color of the corner clock?
[19:22] <teemperor> little question, look gtk3-apps native in lubuntu 11.10 ? :)
[20:13] <bioterror> tomeo, I have to ask from jmarsden if there's something different in lubuntu when booting
[21:41] <tomeo> bioterror: okay
[21:43] <bioterror> but good night ;)


[14:05] <sanjay_> Hi all - I thought you might be interested in my petition to Microsoft to stop promoting eWaste
[14:05] <sanjay_> http://www.change.org/petitions/microsoft-ceo-stop-promoting-e-waste
[15:57] <sbc> Hi. Does anyone know how https://twitter.com/#!/planetubuntu is set up? (I would like to do something similar for our LoCo planet)


[00:41] <phillw> hi, anyone in that has a black belt in wiki-fu?
[00:55] <Kangarooo> ist this too old? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#GUI
[11:40] <zkriesse> hey issyl0
[11:40] <zkriesse> issyl0: Can you pm me in say, 20 minutes?
[11:43] <issyl0> zkriesse: sure
[12:00] <zkriesse> ok issyl0 i'm ready


[00:38]  * ComradeHaz` tentatively pokes fluvvell
[00:39] <fluvvell>  ComradeHaz`, you need to find a script that rebuilds the seek table. The earlier versions are a bit hazy but the one in ubuntu 10.04 works a treat. In fact its just mythcommflag, with  something like "mythcommflag --file 2036_20100616203000.mpg --rebuild  "  Be careful to be in the correct recording directory at the time
[00:40] <ComradeHaz`> Uh, this isn't on a recording. This is on DVD images, flv's etc
[00:40] <ComradeHaz`> not flv
[00:41] <ComradeHaz`> mp4
[00:41] <fluvvell> mp4's ? how did you get them in?
[00:41] <ComradeHaz`> they are essentially downloads.
[00:41] <fluvvell> sorry, just read a earlier post...
[00:42] <ComradeHaz`> get_iplayer, if you want to fo a quick google.
[00:42] <fluvvell> for the mpeg files that are recorded, there is a seek table produced so that when fast forwarding etc the player can line up at the first frame of an mpegged recording.
[00:43] <fluvvell> Maybe its similar for downloads of mp4s?
[00:43] <fluvvell> Or maybe you have to select a different player to play back your downloads.
[00:43] <fluvvell> vlc maybe?
[00:43] <ComradeHaz`> maybe. I'll try, but what do you mean by saying make sure I'm in the correct directory?
[00:44] <fluvvell> well that was in relation to recordings
[00:44] <ComradeHaz`> Oh? I can select different players?
[00:44] <fluvvell> Yep, in the mythtv setup, possibly the front end settings.
[00:45] <fluvvell> there is the built in player, but I've used vlc as an alternative player. You can pass parameters to hide the menus etc.
[00:45] <ComradeHaz`> Right, I'll try tomrrow now. Someone's watching tv now
[00:45] <fluvvell> Cheers, gotta run as well.
[00:45] <ComradeHaz`> OK, mind if I poke you if I get stuck?
[00:45] <fluvvell> but its midday here so..  Oh thats fine. I'll be in and out.
[00:45] <ComradeHaz`> Sure, thanks.
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> Heheh
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> nearly 1am here!
[00:46] <fluvvell> whats your timezone?
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> Night night!
[00:46] <fluvvell> Oh ok
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> UK
[00:46] <fluvvell> ha ha yes. Get some sleep!
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> Cheers bud, laters!
[00:46] <fluvvell> NZ here!
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> OOoh
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> Where abouts?
[00:46] <fluvvell> Dunedin
[00:46] <ComradeHaz`> My ex moved there!
[00:47] <fluvvell> ha ha small world eh.
[00:47] <ComradeHaz`> Aye.
[00:47] <ComradeHaz`> Fun! Right, off! See ya!
[00:47] <fluvvell> yep bye
[10:12] <fluvvell> what does   Received a remote 'Clear Cache' request  5 times before the client crashes mean ?
[18:07] <qwebirc18083> I need to set a preset channel to 60 and when I do in input connections and launch live tv it is just static
[18:08] <tgm4883> is channel 60 just static?
[18:08] <qwebirc18083> yes
[18:08] <tgm4883> so... it's working then?
[18:09] <qwebirc18083> no there is no pictue
[18:09] <tgm4883> you just told me that channel 60 is static. Mythtv doesn't make a picture from nothing
[18:10] <qwebirc18083> the picture is just static no picture sorry
[18:10] <qwebirc18083> i preset the channel in the input connections to 60
[18:10] <tgm4883> so channel 60 is suppose to have a picture on it?
[18:10] <qwebirc18083> yes
[18:10] <tgm4883> what tuner?
[18:11] <qwebirc18083> wintv pvr-150
[18:11] <tgm4883> what input are you using?
[18:11] <qwebirc18083> tuner 1
[18:11] <tgm4883> how do you have your cable hooked up in the back?
[18:11] <tgm4883> via coax, or composite?
[18:11] <tgm4883> or svideo
[18:11] <qwebirc18083> via coax
[18:12] <tgm4883> Did you scan for channels?
[18:12] <qwebirc18083> i tried but the scan failed
[18:12] <tgm4883> ok, any error messages?
[18:13] <qwebirc18083> i can create a channel 60 in the channel editor then it will work but, if a channel is cahngne it loses my signal again
[18:13] <tgm4883> do you have a cable box?
[18:14] <qwebirc18083> dish network box yes
[18:14] <tgm4883> ok, do you have a channel changing script?
[18:14] <qwebirc18083> channel scan said failed to find any channels
[18:15] <tgm4883> well yea, thats because your tuner will only see one channel
[18:15] <tgm4883> you need to change the channel on the directv box via ir blasting or serial cable
[18:15] <qwebirc18083> no
[18:15] <tgm4883> no?
[18:15] <qwebirc18083> no
[18:15] <tgm4883> why not?
[18:16] <tgm4883> that wasn't exactly a question
[18:16] <qwebirc18083> because my mythtv server is in the other room and I dont have a uhf blaster
[18:16] <rhpot1991> it doesn't automagically work
[18:16] <tgm4883> so.... you want to use magic then?
[18:16] <rhpot1991> you need to control the box somehow
[18:17] <qwebirc18083> no  I need to preset the channel to 60 in mythtv
[18:17] <tgm4883> qwebirc18083, ok, you do that in mythtv-setup
[18:17] <tgm4883> where you did it before
[18:17] <qwebirc18083> i did but, it doesn't work
[18:17] <rhpot1991> I'm pretty sure that is gonna default to 3 or 4
[18:18] <rhpot1991> and you'd use it just like a VCR
[18:18] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, yea, I'm not sure why it's at 60 either
[18:18] <tgm4883> qwebirc18083, have you tried 3 or 4?
[18:18] <rhpot1991> it doesn't work like random cable
[18:18] <tgm4883> qwebirc18083, why 60?
[18:18] <rhpot1991> he needs to blast the receiver
[18:18] <rhpot1991> or usb it or something
[18:18] <qwebirc18083> dish network set it to 60 by default on the box and I cant change it to 4 or 3
[18:19] <tgm4883> thats odd
[18:19] <rhpot1991> that doesn't sound right
[18:19] <tgm4883> qwebirc18083, so if you hook the coax up to a TV from the dish network box, you have to go to channel 60 to see anything?
[18:19] <rhpot1991> what model number receiver?
[18:20] <qwebirc18083> this has work before on the last version of mythtv because I have done before and it has worked
[18:20] <qwebirc18083> vip722
[18:21] <rhpot1991> qwebirc18083: so go into mythtv-setup and make sure you are using the coax input and its preset to channel 60?
[18:22] <qwebirc18083> i have done this several times and change to different channels still doesn't work
[18:23] <qwebirc18083> is there a way to just the frequency of the channel in mythtv
[18:23] <rhpot1991> qwebirc18083: so what channel is it starting at then?
[18:24] <qwebirc18083> the is starting on 73
[18:25] <rhpot1991> check your channels in mythtv-setup, I suspect that you may only have 73 in there
[18:26] <qwebirc18083> have all my channels from scheduledirect
[18:27] <qwebirc18083> well thank you need to go
 have all my channels from scheduledirect
[18:27] <tgm4883> theres your problem
[18:28]  * tgm4883 sighs
[18:39] <assco> how can i finetune my channels in mythtv? i've got a couple of channels with a "dotted-line"-type white line above th picture.
[19:00] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: no idea how thats gonna work without him blasting though
[19:02] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, it's not
[19:04] <tgm4883> assco, you can fine tune the channels in the channel editor (in mythtv-setup)
[19:04] <tgm4883> AFAIK, there isn't a way anymore to do it from livetv. If there was, it would probably be under the M key
[19:20] <rhpot1991> sounds like a lack of overscan issue


[13:32] <studio-user742> hai there, I am new to this UI
[13:32] <studio-user742> after installation of UBUNTU STUDIO I am unable to update the system.
[13:33] <studio-user742> Pretty not sure why is it happening,
[15:18] <sancaweb> any Indonesian people?
[15:19] <sancaweb> i'm out...


[12:37] <rauldipeas> hi, I'm Raul Dipeas from Brazil, (algum brasileiro ae?)
[12:53] <jussi01> hi rauldipeas. Just english here Im afraid
[12:54] <rauldipeas> hehe, OK
[12:54] <rauldipeas> my english is bad :S
[21:20]  * sobukus is desperate
[21:20] <sobukus> I really need to add the install DVD as source medium because mz internets is slow
[21:20] <sobukus> but that ******* system seems to be broken
[21:21] <sobukus> I remember a popup after inserting the dvd that prompts me to use it with synaptic, but that does not come anymore
[21:21] <sobukus> and any other way to use the dvd seems to be doomed
[21:21] <sobukus> I cannot add it as cdrom source
[21:21] <sobukus> Is there a foolproof way to get that damned pool on the dvd into apt?
[21:23] <sobukus> could it be that the system is totally confused between my two DVD drives and teh fact taht I installed from the ubuntu ludic live cd, then added stuff from the ubuntustudio lucid dvd?
[21:24] <sobukus> You see, the initial package adding worked with the dvd...
[21:31] <sobukus> Aha, managed to fool apt into using a custom mount of the DVD as a file source
[21:31] <sobukus> The cdrom stuff in apt seems to be broken with ubuntu (studio=
[21:31] <sobukus> Perhaps I can isntall the stuff now
[21:32] <sobukus> but I guess this error will persist:
[21:32]  * holstein reading
[21:32] <sobukus> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme (--configure): Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück
[21:32] <sobukus> (ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme fails to configure ... does that matter when plymouth crashes anyway after boot?)
[21:33] <holstein> sobukus: just dont install the theme
[21:33] <holstein> ubuntustudio-theme
[21:33] <holstein> you dont need that part
[21:34] <sobukus> when I uninstall it, ubuntustudio-desktop is uninstalled IMHO
[21:34] <holstein> yup
[21:34] <holstein> and thats fine too
[21:34]  * sobukus is relieved that synaptic now installes from the DVD when tricked into it not being a DVD
[21:35] <sobukus> hm
[21:35] <sobukus> So I suppose it's a known bug that is being fixed?
[21:35] <holstein> ubuntustudio-desktop ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video linux-rt
[21:35] <holstein> those are all the studio meta-packages
[21:35] <sobukus> I have to sort out my memories from today to figure out how manz bug reports I should try to do
[21:36] <sobukus> I'm installing most of them now ... linux-rt is already there...
[21:36] <holstein> -desktop is not really necessary
[21:36] <sobukus> ok
[21:36] <holstein> you can pick and choose
[21:36] <holstein> OR
[21:36] <holstein> you can install what you need
[21:36] <holstein> LIKE
[21:36] <holstein> you dont have to install ubuntustudio-audio
[21:37] <sobukus> Btw... the most blatant bug I experienced...
[21:37] <holstein> if all your going to use is JACK and ardor
[21:37] <holstein> ardour*
[21:37] <sobukus> reason for my curretn rage and that I'm still not at home where I should be sleeping now ...
[21:37] <holstein> you can always just get what you need from the repo
[21:37] <sobukus> I thought that plymouth is unneeded clutter...
[21:37] <sobukus> tried to remove it
[21:37] <sobukus> in the software center
[21:37] <holstein> nah
[21:37] <sobukus> I also removed plymouth-shared-lib
[21:38] <holstein> i think plymouth is a new thing
[21:38] <sobukus> and then... suddenly WITHOUT A WARNING
[21:38] <sobukus> X vanishes
[21:38] <holstein> yup
[21:38] <holstein> its needed now
[21:38] <sobukus> switching to the console...
[21:38] <sobukus> and about EVERYTHING has been silently removed
[21:38] <holstein> hmmm
[21:38] <sobukus> like, /bin/ls is not there anymore
[21:38] <sobukus> or hal, or reboot
[21:38] <sobukus> or shutdown
[21:38] <holstein> thats strange
[21:39] <holstein> are you SU
[21:39] <sobukus> it reaped the whole system
[21:39] <holstein> or sudo?
[21:39] <sobukus> I was, yes
[21:39] <sobukus> sudo su
[21:39] <holstein> interesting
[21:39] <holstein> i guess that all could be a plymouth bug
[21:39] <sobukus> the software center was ran as normal user
[21:39] <holstein> this is lucid?
[21:39] <holstein> right?
[21:39] <sobukus> yes
[21:39] <holstein> hmmm
[21:39] <holstein> i suppose that could be the deal
[21:40] <holstein> you might want to try #ubuntu+1
[21:40] <holstein> and see if thats a bug or whatever
[21:40] <sobukus> What I don't get: synaptic warns you about stuff that gets removed because you are removing a dependency.
[21:40] <holstein> im not sure
[21:40] <holstein> sobukus: you would think
[21:40] <holstein> it should
[21:40] <sobukus> but the software center is supposed to rip the whole system apart without a warning?
[21:40] <holstein> im not sure
[21:40] <holstein> i havent used it yet
[21:41] <sobukus> I won't use it again that soon, too
[21:41] <holstein> lol
[21:41] <holstein> yeah, im just use to synaptic
[21:41] <sobukus> so... should I jump over launchpad for this?
[21:41] <holstein> you could try
[21:41] <sobukus> or yel in that other channel?
[21:42] <sobukus> Well.. I really hope that the trouble stops after installing
[21:42] <holstein> someone should be aware of what happened by removing plymouth in the software center
[21:42] <sobukus> btw... are you successful in configuring the system to route all audio to jack?
[21:42] <sobukus> there is both pulse jack plugin and alsa jack plugin
[21:44]  * sobukus actually would like jack to be started and used automatically with the firwire audio
[21:44] <holstein> sobukus: JACK turns pulse off
[21:44] <holstein> when im ready to track or mix
[21:44] <holstein> and thats enough for me
[21:44] <sobukus> also in lucid?
[21:44] <sobukus> ah, in your setup
[21:44] <holstein> i have a seperate studio box
[21:44] <holstein> and i dont even have flash installed on it
[21:45] <holstein> sobukus: i have not updated to lucid yet
[21:45] <sobukus> well, people tend to want to peek into the internet on the only box that's here
[21:45] <sobukus> when showing you some song they found... it has to be a video on youtube:-/
[21:46] <wirelessdreamer> holstein: what about when you have 2 soundcards and want jack to run one and pulse to run the other?
[21:47] <sobukus> Ehw... ubuntustudio-audio depends on mpg321
[21:48] <sobukus> why not mpg123, that's faster and currently maintained
[21:48]  * sobukus happens to maintain it;-)
[21:48] <holstein> wirelessdreamer: w0w
[21:48] <holstein> does that work for you?
[21:49] <wirelessdreamer> nope, I tried with 10.4 for a week or so
[21:49] <wirelessdreamer> using gentoo on my pro audio box
[21:49] <holstein> for me, as long as pulse gets out of the way
[21:49] <wirelessdreamer> have ubuntu on my non audio boxes so thought i'd give it a try
[21:49] <holstein> and my firewire device works
[21:49] <holstein> im happy
[21:49] <holstein> BUT i can see the appeal
[21:49] <wirelessdreamer> all ubuntu studio boxes with rt kernels i've tried don't behave for me with zynaddsubfx
[21:50] <holstein> wirelessdreamer: there was an issue
[21:50] <wirelessdreamer> route headphone out on proaudio card to line on on pulse card out to bt headphones
[21:50] <holstein> the new package is called yoshimi?
[21:50] <wirelessdreamer> yea i've been using yoshimi and another fork on and off
[21:51] <holstein> OH ok
[21:51] <holstein> sobukus: you should join the dev mailinglist
[21:51] <holstein> and shout out about mpg123
[21:51] <holstein> there is a lot to keep track of up and down stream i bet
[21:53] <sobukus> yeah... but now I need to care about my stream carrying me home from teh stdudio