[00:27] <wade|shull> hello everyone
[00:29] <RobbyF> hello wade|shull
[00:29] <wade|shull> hello RobbyF
[00:30] <wade|shull> are you playing with the porting side of touch or the programming
[00:30] <wade|shull> ?
[00:30] <wade|shull> I just installed 13.04 and QtWebKit is throwing an unknown error
[00:30] <RobbyF> playing with the live device
[00:30] <wade|shull> like it actually says - 'Unknown Error'
[00:30] <wade|shull> ok
[00:32] <RobbyF> sorry :(
[00:32] <wade|shull> me too
[00:32] <wade|shull> killing me
[00:32] <RobbyF> pretty sure 13.04 isn't nearly as ready
[00:32] <RobbyF> I'm not getting any wifi module working ect.
[00:32] <wade|shull> when I tried in 12.10 I had different plugin problems
[00:33] <wade|shull> maybe I should go back to 12.04
[00:33] <wade|shull> haha
[00:33] <wade|shull> its insane
[00:33] <RobbyF> sorry, I'm referring to on the device, not desktop
[00:34] <wade|shull> oh
[00:34] <wade|shull> well I see something about qtwebkit 13.04 something about deleted
[00:34] <wade|shull> and I seems to be defeted
[00:34] <wade|shull> so I will try something
[00:35] <wade|shull> without a working version of qtcreator and the sdk I can't finish my apps anyway
[00:35] <wade|shull> so I might as well play with installing different systems
[00:35] <wade|shull> :)
[00:35] <RobbyF> lol
[00:35] <RobbyF> what were you making?
[00:36] <wade|shull> working on a couple of different apps
[00:36] <wade|shull> not the core ones
[00:36] <wade|shull> I am not smart enough for that
[00:36] <labsin> wade: what's te issue? That qtcreator is not opening or that you can't use qtWebkit?
[00:36] <wade|shull> I was working on a SoundCloud app
[00:36] <wade|shull> and then a Trello
[00:36] <wade|shull> QtWebKit itself is throwing an error
[00:37] <wade|shull> when I run my app inside of QtCreator when I run the app
[00:37] <wade|shull> and it is the nice handing 'unknown error'
[00:37] <wade|shull> hahaha
[00:37] <wade|shull> oh well wiping now and putting on 12.04
[00:37] <labsin> try sudo apt-get install libqt5webkit5-dev libqt5webkit5-qmlwebkitplugin
[00:37] <wade|shull> ohh I didn't know those
[00:38] <wade|shull> well
[00:38] <wade|shull> I did
[00:38] <wade|shull> sudo apt-get install libqtwebkit*
[00:38] <labsin> I found them with apt-cache search webkit
[00:38] <wade|shull> and it grabbed those
[00:39] <wade|shull> I will try again before I wipe it out though
[00:39] <labsin> the command you gave is not for the qt5
[00:39] <wade|shull> ok sweet
[00:39] <wade|shull> would be great if this works :)\
[00:39] <wade|shull> booting up right now
[00:39] <labsin> It tries to install qt4 libraries
[00:40] <wade|shull> ahh it does have both libraries
[00:40] <labsin> I think you should best remove libqtcore4-perl libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin libqtwebkit4-dbg libqtwebkit4-perl libsmokebase3  libsmokeqtcore4-3 libsmokeqtgui4-3 libsmokeqtwebkit4-3
[00:40] <labsin> that are the ones that tried to install with your command
[00:41] <labsin> normally webkit is already installed
[00:41] <wade|shull> well strangely when I ran that
[00:41] <wade|shull> it said the -dev was
[00:42] <wade|shull> but the -qmlwebkitplugin wasn't
[00:42] <labsin> With be both are
[00:42] <wade|shull> let me load qtcreator and see what I get now
[00:42] <labsin> You need that one for qtcreator to recoginse them
[00:42] <wade|shull> this would make my night for sure
[00:42] <labsin> I searcht for this myself a whole day with an other library
[00:43] <labsin> I was also missing the -plugin
[00:43] <wade|shull> still a fail
[00:43] <wade|shull> hmm
[00:43] <wade|shull> oh well
[00:43] <labsin> libqt5webkit5 had an update just minutes ago
[00:43] <wade|shull> hehehe
[00:44] <labsin> At least last hour
[00:44] <labsin> Are you on the edgers repo or on 13.04?
[00:44] <wade|shull> 13.04
[00:45] <labsin> try adding http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa/ubuntu
[00:45] <labsin> and http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu
[00:45] <labsin> to your repo's
[00:46] <labsin> then do a apt-get update
[00:46] <labsin> a apt-get install  ubuntu-sdk
[00:46] <labsin> and then a apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:46] <wade|shull> I already have the ubuntu-sdk
[00:46] <labsin> Then you'll have the latest version of everything needed for sure
[00:47] <labsin> Also the qt5-edgers?
[00:47] <labsin> ubuntu-sdk is adviced in the tutourial but not actually needed anymore thats why I added it.
[00:48] <labsin> btw, if you add it to pastbin, I want to give it a try
[00:48] <wade|shull> I think that is why I am going to go back to 12.04
[00:48] <wade|shull> and start over
[00:48] <wade|shull> that way I will get edgers
[00:48] <labsin> No, just add the edgers
[00:49] <labsin> it works to on 13.04
[00:49] <wade|shull> ok
[00:49] <wade|shull> I will give it a shot
[00:49] <labsin> everything works better on 13.04 than on 12.10
[00:49] <labsin> all the dev's are also on 13.04
[00:51] <wade|shull> sorry didn't help
[00:51] <wade|shull> wiping it out
[00:51] <wade|shull> it's no big deal
[00:51] <labsin> If you just post the qml somewere I will try it for you
[00:51] <wade|shull> I only made this computer for making apps
[00:51] <wade|shull> I know the qml is fine
[00:51] <wade|shull> that part I do know
[00:51] <labsin> Yes, to test the setup
[00:52] <labsin> If if works on my setup
[00:52] <wade|shull> crap I can't send you all this
[00:52] <wade|shull> it is a huge app
[00:52] <wade|shull> see it worked in 12.10
[00:52] <wade|shull> then tabs started acting funny
[00:52] <labsin> put it on pastebin
[00:52] <wade|shull> so I installed 13.04
[00:53] <wade|shull> and the tabs act fine but not the WebView
[00:53] <wade|shull> so now I am going to 12.04
[00:53] <wade|shull> I can give you a cut down version I guess hold on
[00:53] <labsin> ok
[00:56] <labsin> You can just past it on pastebin.com without an account. Just something that should work but doesn't with you.
[00:57] <wade|shull> yeah I editing out like my access code and stuff
[00:57] <wade|shull> for soundcloud
[00:57] <labsin> offcorse
[00:58] <wade|shull> http://pastebin.com/kynfF54U
[00:58] <wade|shull> that is as simple as it gets
[00:58] <wade|shull> it will work I bet
[00:58] <wade|shull> but someone I broke it
[00:58] <wade|shull> I am good at that :)
[00:59] <labsin> Yes it works as it should with me.
[00:59] <wade|shull> hehehe awesome
[00:59] <wade|shull> well really that is fine
[00:59] <wade|shull> that is good
[00:59] <labsin> My setup is 13.04 with the two repos I just told you
[01:00] <labsin> then installed ubuntu-sdk and the two packages I told you earlier
[01:00] <labsin> that should do it
[01:01] <labsin> Have you tried to delete these: libqtcore4-perl libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin libqtwebkit4-dbg libqtwebkit4-perl libsmokebase3  libsmokeqtcore4-3 libsmokeqtgui4-3 libsmokeqtwebkit4-3
[01:01] <labsin> That are the ones that you installed that weren't necesary
[01:02] <wade|shull> ok I will work on it
[01:02] <labsin> If you wanted to make a clean install, i'd install 13.04
[01:02] <wade|shull> I am semi slow at linux
[01:03] <wade|shull> ok
[01:03] <labsin> then sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk notepad-qml
[01:03] <wade|shull> from the website
[01:03] <wade|shull> ok
[01:03] <wade|shull> I might do that
[01:03] <labsin> and then sudo apt-get install libqt5webkit5-dev libqt5webkit5-qmlwebkitplugin
[01:03] <wade|shull> just start over with 13.04 and run the command they say to do for 12.10
[01:03] <labsin> yes
[01:03] <wade|shull> thanks labsin I am going to do that
[01:04] <wade|shull> give me a bit and I will tell you how it goes
[01:04] <labsin> oh and do a apt-get dist-upgrade now and then
[01:04] <wade|shull> ok
[01:04] <labsin> cause 13.04 is still in Beta
[01:04] <wade|shull> I will have to write a note for myself
[01:04] <labsin> once it's released it's no longer needed
[01:04] <wade|shull> well I am only running it for making apps :)
[01:05] <wade|shull> right now I am chatting with you on a windows machine - I know I know, please don't hate me
[01:05] <labsin> :D
[01:05] <wade|shull> I have some other things to do
[01:05] <wade|shull> thanks for all you help
[01:05] <labsin> If you do that and have libqt5webkit5-dev and libqt5webkit5-qmlwebkitplugin installed it should work
[01:06] <wade|shull> if you are around when I am done I will let you know how it goes
[01:06] <labsin> if you need to find some other things. Usefull commands are apt-file (you need to install this and look online for how to use it) and apt-cache search.
[01:07] <wade|shull> thanks again
[01:07] <labsin> you're welkom
[01:10] <labsin> It's 3 am here, so I'd better go to sleep.
[01:27] <noobix> just testing..
[01:27] <RobbyF> working
[01:28] <noobix> :) thanks
[01:32] <krabador> ok people, but calls and 3g can't only works on nexus...
[01:34] <noobix> does the browser work for anyone? mine is galaxy nexus...the app doesn't even open
[01:37] <krabador> noobix, in my i9100 works, not superlative, but works
[01:38] <noobix> ok
[01:42] <noobix> not sure if related....i've got Ubuntu SDK 0.1~bzr20130204-0ubuntu1~quantal1~test4 installed...I now have an update notification for 0.1.40~quantal1
[01:42] <noobix> safe to upgrade?
[01:48] <krabador> noobix, almost
[01:49] <noobix> k, almost is good enough I guess...tx
[01:56] <wade|shull> well labsin I am back to my orginal problem
[01:56] <wade|shull> so I think I give up
[03:34] <dundee> Hey, trying to ubuntu phone app tutorial on website, but it does not work.
[03:35] <dundee> I'm using ubuntu 13.04
[03:48] <Aotom> Hello all
[03:48] <Aotom> I am looking for word from anyone with a current build on Nexus 7
[03:48] <Aotom> What's new?
[03:49] <Aotom> Anyone?
[03:50] <Aotom> I am looking for word from anyone with a current build on Nexus 7
[03:57] <Aotom> I am looking for word from anyone with a current build on Nexus 7
[03:57] <icedwater> Aotom: we've seen the question...
[03:57] <icedwater> You might have to wait a while longer.
[03:58] <Aotom> Have you recently installed a daily?
[03:58] <Aotom> thanks for answering
[03:58] <icedwater> Nope, I haven't installed yet, I just came from an intro session :)
[03:58] <icedwater> And now I'm off to lunch
[03:59] <Aotom> Ok well, thanks anyways
[03:59] <Aotom> cheers, have a nice lunch
[05:09] <icedwater> Thanks :P
[05:09] <icedwater> It was pretty good.
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <icedwater> Any Touch devs here?
[07:44] <icedwater> I asked jounih about packaging for Software Center and he wasn't sure how it would work.
[07:45] <icedwater> Are debs going to be usable on Touch?
[08:00] <janimo`> icedwater, right now and in the short term at least Touch is plain Ubuntu underneath so packages are deployed as deb
[08:00] <janimo`> no idea about long term
[08:02] <icedwater> Hmm. Thanks.
[08:07] <adamshumpisxxx> I have two questions I hop someone can help me with. They're general in nature and nowhere to be found VIA Google (as far as I can find).
[08:07] <adamshumpisxxx> Is anyone available?
[08:08] <nerochiaro> don't ask if you can ask, just ask
[08:10] <adamshumpisxxx> Alight...Thanks. 1) Is there an official release schedule chrt for Ubuntu Touch like with the regular desktop release charts? 2) After the developer preview will updates be constantly given ike any other OS or will support be stripped and kept only for Canonical developed devices?
[08:10] <adamshumpisxxx> Thanks.
[08:12] <nerochiaro> adamshumpisxxx: i personally don't know the answer, hope someone else can help you out. the other option, probably more effective, is to ask this question in the mailing list. more eyes will see it
[08:13] <adamshumpisxxx> OK. Can you link me to said mailing list?
[08:15] <nerochiaro> adamshumpisxxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Contribute#Where_to_discuss
[08:16] <adamshumpisxxx> If anyone has the answer to my above questions you can PM me at the same username on Ubuntu Forums.
[08:51] <om26er> is the 13.04 touch zip working ?
[08:52] <om26er> this page now have a zip file based on 13.04 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130408/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[08:52] <om26er> sorry: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/20130408/
[09:10] <steve_fi> om26er, I don't know the answer, but i'll certainly try installing it and see what happens, and i'll answer you within 30 mins or so
[09:11] <om26er> steve_fi, i am downloading too ;)
[09:11] <steve_fi> ;D
[09:28] <steve_fi> boots, but its not as stable as the quantal one om26er
[09:28] <om26er> steve_fi, which device did you try on ?
[09:39] <steve_fi> om26er, Asus Transformer Pad TF101
[09:40] <steve_fi> om26er, using quantal from about a week ago is totally stable, albeit some problems with the fonts, but the raring crashed twice in about 5 minutes of use
[09:41] <om26er> my tablet's battery is down, i'll test once i have a bit of charge on it
[09:41] <steve_fi> om26er, the contacts page seems to be missing for me and the Wifi shows no networks, but I can do it using adb, also when I say crashed, the gui simply reloaded
[09:42] <steve_fi> om26er, I used the same stock CM10.1 build that I used with quantal last week
[11:04] <mpt> Just completed "About This Phone" design: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice#Phone
[11:06] <davmor2> mpt: should that design not contain Phone Number too?
[11:07] <mpt> davmor2, I haven't been told that phone number needs to be anywhere. If it does, perhaps a "Phone" panel (together with call waiting etc) would be better.
[11:08] <brendand> davmor2, that would be 'About this SIM' (in most cases) ;)
[11:09] <davmor2> mpt: Ah fair enough.  As long as there is a place for it somewhere that's okay :)
[11:10] <brendand> davmor2, usually looking up the number is supported (or not) strictly through the operator
[11:11] <mpt> I don't know what "supported" or "through" means there :-)
[11:12] <mpt> But like I say, there isn't a place for it until someone tells me.
[11:12] <davmor2> brendand: in most phones you find it in the about dialog hence the question
[11:12] <brendand> davmor2, i've never seen that. sometimes it's in contacts
[11:15] <labsin> mpt: shouldn't all designs be min or more the same on phone and desktop so that you get approximatly the same view on a really big phone or tablet then on a desktop?
[11:16] <mpt> labsin, no, firstly because the primary input device is different, and secondly because the common screen sizes are very different.
[11:16] <davmor2> brendand: every android phone, Settings → About device → Status  lists phone number, ios has something similar, on windows phone Setting → Applications → Phone, Blackberry it's in about phone etc etc etc
[11:16] <labsin> mpt: and a tablet?
[11:17] <brendand> davmor2, actually in iOS its in contacts as 'My Number'
[11:17] <mpt> labsin, the same first reason.
[11:18] <davmor2> brendand: I'm pretty sure I've seen it in the setting app somewhere too, but that was someone else showing me their phone I've never had one, so I could be wrong :)
[11:18] <mpt> davmor2, brendand: Settings > Phone
[11:19] <mpt> It's even editable. I don't know why.
[11:19] <davmor2> mpt: thanks for that
[11:20] <davmor2> brendand: now do you see why I asked :)
[11:20] <mpt> davmor2, brendand: Questions like that can be answered by exploring my settings comparison survey. <https://workflowy.com/#/7a9f3f83-e108-e73d-9eff-3ef0113083dd>
[11:20] <brendand> mpt, that's really weird. perhaps it's pre-filled somehow
[11:20] <labsin> mpt: is there a list somewhere of all these wiki's
[11:21] <mpt> labsin, yes. :-) <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings>
[11:22] <brendand> mpt, i can't view that for some reason - is it public?
[11:22] <davmor2> mpt: I just noticed it wasn't there and thought I would ask, I was pretty sure it would of been thought of. But the About page seems to be the right place was all :)
[11:23] <mpt> brendand, works for me in an Incognito window.
[11:25] <brendand> mpt, but you created it right? maybe it's a permissions issue?
[11:25] <brendand> mpt, when i enter that specific url i just get redirected to a blank page
[11:25] <mpt> brendand, that's why I tested it in an Incognito window, to rule out permissions issues.
[11:26] <brendand> mpt, you don't get a login page when doing that though?
[11:26] <mpt> Correct.
[11:26] <labsin> mpt: can't open it too
[11:27] <brendand> mpt, i'm forced to login
[11:27] <mpt> odd
[11:28] <mpt> I just unshared and reshared it
[11:29] <labsin> I don't get something with the settings tho. Wasn't it the goal to scale all the apps from a phone layout through bigger screan to a window on the desktop to take full adventage of a convergence device? That's what it stays on the SystemSettings wiki.
[11:30] <labsin> But fi the timeanddate is still just like how it's now. Is that going to change?
[11:30] <mpt> labsin, I said "these settings, and their categories, will be shared across form factors whenever practical". I didn't say the design would be the same.
[11:31] <labsin> ohw
[11:31] <mpt> Sorry, maybe that's a bit unclear
[11:31] <mpt> I was referring to the settings themselves, e.g. which background you choose, not the UI for choosing it
[11:31] <labsin> I see
[11:31] <mpt> If you want to see how a phone settings design would look on a PC, try Gnome 3.8, where (for example) the background chooser is a panel with a giant button. It's ridiculous.
[11:32] <labsin> I do get that fi a horzontal layout is better on the desktop and that there should be less lists etc.
[11:32] <mpt> Or (for example) the Privacy panel scrolls off the bottom of the screen despite having truckloads of empty space.
[11:33] <labsin> mpt: totally right
[11:34] <mpt> Because of the tiny screen, phone designs have shorter labels, and therefore more explanatory captions. They also have more scrolling and more separate screens, and therefore fewer tabs and navigation lists.
[11:36] <labsin> mpt: idd, I hate to keep scrolling with the scroll wheel on a pc
[11:36] <mpt> Right, it's faster than using scrollbar arrows, but still much slower than scrolling on a touchscreen.
[11:39] <labsin> mpt: you'll also have to think about where the phone options would come when you dock the phone. Should some phone options still be accessible? and where would they go :)
[11:40] <mpt> labsin, as in dock in a charger, or dock to a PC?
[11:40] <labsin> as a pc
[11:40] <mpt> true
[11:40] <mpt> Ubuntu for Android is probably a starting point there
[11:41] <labsin> I'll have to wait till 14.04 at least probably.
[11:42]  * ogra_ would expect phone specific setting panels to show up in the sidestage if in desktop mode
[11:45] <mpt> Hmm, I just tried that Workflowy URL in Epiphany and it gave me a login page too.
[11:46] <mpt> That's annoying.
[11:48] <davmor2> mpt: I get the login page on Workflowy
[11:53] <steve_fi> heya, is there any major difference in functionality between the raring and quantal daily images?
[11:53] <steve_fi> i.e. is there any functional reasoning behind switching to the raring ones?
[11:54] <ogra_> steve_fi, development should happen on the development distro :)
[11:54] <ogra_> note that raring will also only be a very temporary thing ... S will become the default dev release
[11:55] <steve_fi> yeah, I kinda figured that was coming :)
[11:56] <ogra_> in quantal nearly all packages came from PPAs ... in raring many are in the archive already ... for S it is expected that all of them come from the archive ...
[11:56] <steve_fi> ah ok
[11:57] <ogra_> same goes for the image builds ... they will slowly migrate over to the generic ubuntu image builders
[11:57] <ogra_> (they are currently coming from a specific internal canonical builder)
[12:04] <labsin> does anyone know if the sources in the gallery app in the core/ folder will become part of the sdk (like DataSources etc.)
[12:45] <P3T3> Hi, can anybody help with this error "no suitable EGLConfig found" ?
[12:53] <labsin> P3T3: you'll probably have to provide more info on that
[12:53] <labsin> where, with what, while doing what?...
[13:03] <P3T3> labsin, I know you need more details, I have problem with HP Touchpad, MWC demo boots, but daily finishes with blackscreen
[13:04] <P3T3> my logcat http://pastebin.com/ir3Gdk1K talks about EGLConfig not loaded
[13:09] <labsin> can't help with that. Sorry
[13:10] <P3T3> labsin, nevermind ;-)
[13:20] <ogra_> ARGH  !!!
[13:20] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:21] <ogra_> sergiusens, do you have any idea where build/envsetup.sh comes from ?
[13:21] <ogra_> whoever wrote that should get sent a POSIX shell handbook
[13:21]  * ogra_ cries
[13:23] <ogra_> (/me actually had written something quite different than "sent a POSIX shell handbook" above ... but corrected that sentence since this is a family friendly channel)
[13:27] <davmor2> ogra_: so on this galaxy S is there a way I can update the touch version without altering the kernel/drivers that the devs have fixed so nicely?
[13:28] <ogra_> you can try ... no guarantees though
[13:29] <ogra_> additional to the android bits the hw specific image contains the platform-api and libhybris parts ... if there were updates the ubuntu side needs you can be screwed
[13:29] <ogra_> *additionally
[13:33] <davmor2> ogra_: so it might be worth me taking my time to do my own port so I can update it on a regular basis then maybe?
[13:34] <ogra_> well, you should make sure that the porter  of the hw image does regular updates if something in the two bzr branches change
[13:34] <ogra_> s
[13:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, !
[13:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: hey!
[13:35] <rsalveti> finally on :-)
[13:35] <ogra_> rsalveti,  do you have any idea where build/envsetup.sh comes from ? this is a massive mess of bashisms  and will make it very hard to automate in a POSIX based environment
[13:35] <ogra_> is that from us, CM or google ?
[13:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: I believe from both, but changed by CM
[13:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: do we need to change that?
[13:36] <rsalveti> not something we're planning to package or include at the distro
[13:36] <ogra_> well, i would prefer to use POSIX indeed , just looking through it ... its 1700+ lines though
[13:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: not worthy investing your time there
[13:37] <ogra_> rsalveti, the android builds use it on the livefs builder
[13:37] <rsalveti> right
[13:37] <rsalveti> don't we have bash available there?
[13:37] <ogra_> i only did my tests in a terminal yet, doing them automated revealed alll the mess now
[13:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[13:38] <ogra_> i think we even have bash in the chroots, not sure ... else we would have to make livecd-rootfs depend on bash (which is super ugly though)
[13:38] <rsalveti> well, you can try to change that, but it's a huge work I'd guess, as the script is quite large (and not sure if we also have more than just that at the build system)
[13:39] <ogra_> its the only thing we srouce atm
[13:39] <ogra_> *source
[13:39] <rsalveti> right
[13:39] <rsalveti> and we'd need to get that accepted at CM upstream if possible later on
[13:39] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/phablet-android$ checkbashisms build/envsetup.sh.new 2>&1 |wc -l
[13:39] <ogra_> 84
[13:40] <ogra_> i'm down from 600 lines to 84 in 20min of work ... but these were all low hanging fruit
[13:40] <rsalveti> right
[13:40] <ogra_> not sure i want to actually go on here :)
[13:40]  * ogra_ still ponders
[13:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: :-)
[13:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti that is what we source, but there are certainly a lot more scripts inside build that are used
[13:49] <sergiusens> after you lunch and brunch, anybody can make something get sourced
[13:49] <rsalveti> yeah
[13:49] <ogra_> well, thats the point, you cant source it on a non bash env
[13:49] <ogra_> s/on/in/
[13:50]  * ogra_ votes that hardcoded bash scripts shouldnt use the .sh extension but be .broken instead :P
[13:51] <ogra_> sergiusens, so i guess in your jenkins jobs you actually force bash as shell to make that work when autobuilding ?
[13:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: yes... I just switched to bash on my workstation too since I got tired of mistakenly sourcing with zsh
[13:52] <ogra_> well ...
[13:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, we could of fixed it, but it was just too much... although it would probably make building a lot faster
[13:57] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/datengrab/phablet-android$ for file in $(find build/ -name *.sh); do echo "############### $file #################";checkbashisms $file;done 2>&1|wc -l
[13:57] <ogra_> 311
[13:57] <ogra_> its about 300 changes ...
[13:57] <ogra_> (in the build/ dir)
[13:58] <ogra_> not sure there are other bits that get sourced from elsewhere though
[13:58] <ogra_> the big majority is in envsetup.sh though
[14:02] <ogra_> i doubt it will speed up much ... but it will make it wrk for automation easier and also support other shells
[14:43] <wool> bom dia galera
[14:44] <wool> tentei instalar o ubuntu phone em galaxy x e nao passa mais da tela do google,oq fazer?
[14:44] <ogra_> english ?
[14:49] <bfiller> oSoMoN: what's the easiest way to see what all the properties of QtWebKit.experimental are?
[14:52] <oSoMoN> bfiller: I don’t know of any other way than to look at the code
[14:52] <oSoMoN> bfiller: let me find an online reference to it
[14:54] <oSoMoN> bfiller: http://code.metager.de/source/xref/WebKit/Source/WebKit2/UIProcess/API/qt/qquickwebview_p.h#255
[14:54] <bfiller> oSoMoN: thanks!
[14:57] <sturmflut> I got a brand new Nexus 7 tablet with build JOP40D and phablet-flash -b -l complains about "Unsupported device, autodetect fails device"
[15:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~davidhackerdvm/session-manager/add_moto_config_files/+merge/157014 failed at i386 autolanding
[15:20] <sergiusens> bfiller: if you want to checkout the raring build, check http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/using-phablet-tools-to-install-raring-image.html
[15:21] <mhall119> tmoenicke: ping, I still have a keyboard bug
[15:21] <tmoenicke> pong
[15:21] <tmoenicke> mhall119: ^
[15:22] <mhall119> tmoenicke: on my app, if there's a clickable widget below the OSK, pressing keys on the OSK will trigger the onClicked on the widget below
[15:22] <mhall119> even if there's a Popups.Dialog over it, clicking elsewhere on the dialog doesn't cause the event to fall through, only clicking on the keyboard does
[15:25] <tmoenicke> mhall119: which device is it?
[15:25] <mhall119> nexus 7 (grouper)
[15:28] <mhall119> hmmm, maybe it's not the keyboard....
[15:29] <mhall119> well now this is weird
[15:30] <pmcgowan> tmoenicke: are you talking about a fix for 1133705
[15:31] <tmoenicke> pmcgowan: could be related. i have a package with the new keyboard soon which should fix this
[15:32] <tmoenicke> mhall119: ^
[15:32] <mhall119> tmoenicke: I think maybe we can rule out the keyboard for my issue.....
[15:32] <mhall119> I'm getting a video of it
[15:32] <tmoenicke> ok
[15:32] <mhall119> it's uploading to U1 now, I'll share it once it's there
[15:32] <pmcgowan> tmoenicke: let me know if you have a package for testing
[15:32] <xnox> Hmmm a lot of folks are asking development questions about Qml on #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:33] <xnox> are qml/ubuntu touch dev experts idle there?
[15:33] <xnox> s/are/do/
[15:33] <tmoenicke> pmcgowan: yep i will
[15:33] <tmoenicke> mhall119: cool
[15:33] <mhall119> tmoenicke: tl;dw is that touch events are falling through even my Popups.Dialog below a certain y value on my screen
[15:33] <mhall119> which also happened to be under the OSK, which is why I thought it was an OSK bug
[15:34] <waq> hello
[15:35] <waq> any one there
[15:35] <pmcgowan> xnox: not too many, I will ping some to join
[15:35] <xnox> pmcgowan: thanks.
[15:35] <mhall119> aquarius: U1 is making me grumpy :(
[15:36] <xnox> pmcgowan: it is very low traffic =)
[15:36] <waq> can any one tell that msi enjoy 10 plus support ubantu or not
[15:36] <pmcgowan> waq: check the touch/devices wiki page
[15:38] <waq> its not there
[15:39] <genii-around> waq: Then it's not currently supported/ no one has ported it yet
[15:41] <mhall119> pmcgowan: tmoenicke: can you see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zk-u2hr4MM& ?
[15:42] <tmoenicke> mhall119: it says it is currently unavailable
[15:42] <mhall119> ok, must still be processing it or something
[15:42] <pmcgowan> I can see it
[15:44] <mpt> Just completed initial design for "Location" settings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Location#Phone
[15:48] <tmoenicke> mhall119: was the keyboard up before and you dismissed it?
[15:48] <mhall119> tmoenicke: no
[15:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119: what are you displaying there, an app you wrote?
[15:50] <tmoenicke> mhall119: would it be possible you extract some code that demonstrates the issue and email it to me or put it on a bugreport?
[15:51] <mhall119> pmcgowan: yeah, it's my uReadIt app I've been building
[15:52] <mhall119> tmoenicke: you can run the whole app: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt
[15:53] <tmoenicke> mhall119: ok cool, thx
[15:54] <tmoenicke> mhall119: i will have a look later on
[15:54] <mhall119> thanks
[15:54] <mhall119> bzoltan1: you might also want to look at http://youtu.be/2zk-u2hr4MM
[15:55] <zsombi> mhall119: I checked that, it is the InverseMouseArea that got screwed with Qt5.0.1... we have a bug logged for that
[15:56] <robru> gusch, we're going to need more tests in lp:camera-app... it only has one, and no autopilot tests either
[15:57] <mhall119> ah, thanks zsombi
[15:57] <gusch> nerochiaro: ^
[15:58] <gusch> nerochiaro: see comment from robu
[15:58] <nerochiaro> gusch: it's a good point
[15:59] <robru> nerochiaro, gusch : also, what is the deal with cameraplugin-fake? I thought it was needed for camera-app to run on non-ARM
[16:00] <gusch> robru: for one it was the first and easy plugin
[16:00] <gusch> robru: second - it's handy for testing
[16:00] <gusch> robru: and third, it works, even if there is no webcam
[16:01] <nerochiaro> gusch: in fact with a real webcam and no fake plugin, camera app has issues
[16:01] <nerochiaro> gusch: at least it had for oSoMoN, i don't have a camera to try
[16:01] <robru> gusch, I am getting exactly the same runtime error with or without cameraplugin-fake installed
[16:01] <gusch> robru: then it's rather a Qt bug
[16:02] <robru> nerochiaro, gusch : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5692720/
[16:02] <robru> gusch, so where should I file the bug
[16:02] <robru> ?
[16:04] <gusch> robru: i'll try to reproduce that bug - are you on raring?
[16:05] <robru> gusch, yes, raring, 64bit.
[16:05] <gusch> robru: ok - so same as me
[16:06] <robru> gusch, easiest way to try is just 'bzr branch lp:~robru/camera-app/packaging' and then 'bzr bd' and it should build ok (well, you'll see a failure to sign the package, but that's fine). then install the deb and try to run it.
[16:18] <pmcgowan> tmoenicke: that was known issue with inverse mouse area
[16:18] <pmcgowan> in qt 5
[16:19] <tmoenicke> ah ok, good!
[16:35] <bzoltan1> mhall119:  zsombi was faster :)
[16:49] <mpt> awe, hi, I'm designing settings for cellular connections. As I understand it, turning off 3G increases battery life, at the expense of data speed. Is there a similar tradeoff for 4G?
[16:49] <mpt> And does it make sense to have 4G turned off and 3G turned on, or vice versa? Or should they be toggled together?
[16:52]  * mpt goes looking up what an "APN" is
[16:53] <mpt> All hail Wikipedia
[16:54] <ogra_> heh
[16:58] <gusch> robru: I get that error with "bzr bd" https://pastebin.canonical.com/88783/
[17:00] <robru> gusch, great, so how do we fix it? ;-)
[17:00] <sturmflut> I got a brand new Nexus 7 with firmware build JOP40D and phable-flash complains about "Unsupported device, autodetect fails device"
[17:01] <gusch> robru: can I disable the signing (like -us -uc for dpgk-buildpackage ?)
[17:01] <robru> gusch, no, that failure is simply a matter that you do not have my private gpg key for signing the package
[17:01] <robru> gusch, the debs are built, you can ignore that error and install the packages
[17:01] <gusch> robru: ah - ok
[17:01] <robru> gusch, so now just 'sudo dpkg -i ../build-area/*deb' and then try to run camera-app
[17:02] <gusch> mc
[17:02] <gusch> ups wrong window ...
[17:11] <gusch> robru: works for me - camera runs without problems
[17:11] <robru> gusch, so what could possibly be going wrong? can you read the error message and make any sense of it?
[17:12] <robru> gusch, my impression from the error message that I got is that Qt was giving some indication that incorrect API calls were being made. is it possible that we have different versions of Qt installed?
[17:12] <gusch> robru: my best guess is a missmatch of versions (I'd guess qtmultimedia lib)
[17:12] <robru> gusch, so tell me what version you have and I will compare
[17:13] <gusch> robru: hmm - debian packages ...
[17:13] <gusch> robru: how do I do that best way?
[17:13] <robru> gusch, try 'apt-cache policy pkgname'
[17:14] <robru> gusch so I did 'apt-cache policy qtmult.*' and it showed a bunch of packages and their version numbers.
[17:14] <jP_wanN> hello
[17:15] <gusch> robru: Installed: 5.0.1-0ubuntu6
[17:15] <robru> gusch, that looks the same for me...
[17:15] <jP_wanN> anyone here who has downloaded the phablet sources?
[17:15] <ogra_> several
[17:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens: what was the issue regarding the failure at the i386 landing job?
[17:15] <sergiusens> which ones?
[17:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~davidhackerdvm/session-manager/add_moto_config_files/+merge/157014
[17:16] <jP_wanN> In the porting guide I read the following:
[17:16] <jP_wanN> The phablet-dev-bootstrap command will automatically use the repo tool with the Ubuntu Touch Preview custom manifest to download all the git repositories and needed data. Be aware that this step takes a long time and requires at least 15GB (plus 2-3GB for the binary output).
[17:16] <rsalveti> just for raring
[17:16] <sergiusens> rsalveti: network gpg
[17:16] <sergiusens> key add
[17:16] <jP_wanN> does this mean, that I'll have to download 15GB? o.O
[17:16] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, saw that at the log but was surprised by the error
[17:16] <ogra_> jP_wanN, yes
[17:16] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but cool, thanks for fixing it
[17:16] <jP_wanN> okay thanks
[17:17] <ogra_> there is a way to avoid it if you have a local copy of cyanognmod sourcces
[17:17] <buxtor> help, i wanna restore my Nexus 7
[17:17] <ogra_> (since then you already have downloaded more than 15G)
[17:17] <sergiusens> rsalveti: so we need to talk about network manager... it's not a link issue
[17:18] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, let me reflash raring here
[17:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, heh, gnome-keyring ?
[17:18] <ogra_> i suspect we need to find a replacement for it at some point
[17:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: nope, add-apt-key or whatever the command was called)
[17:18] <ogra_> ah
[17:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: sometimes fails
[17:19] <ogra_> any error msg ?
[17:23] <robru> gusch, i just realized that I have a ton of beta PPAs enabled, so i will try to disable some and see if I can't make camera-app work
[17:28] <gusch> robru: ok
[17:36] <aquarius> mhall119, pong
[17:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: sorry, missed your Q
[17:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: gpgkeys: key 5E51A24C not found on keyserver
[17:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/session-manager-raring-i386-autolanding/6/console
[17:39] <ogra_> oh
[17:39]  * ogra_ didnt get that this was on jenkins
[17:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: happens on my workstation every now and then too
[17:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: but IS also limits the amount of reqs/s we can make, so it could've been that too
[17:41] <cyphermox> sergiusens, rsalveti, did you guys review my patches for bluetooth on the nexus 4?
[17:41] <ogra_> do you actually use add-apt-repository or something self scripted ?
[17:42] <sergiusens> cyphermox: I looked at them, but I don't have that device to test so I left for rsalveti
[17:43] <rsalveti> cyphermox: sorry, not yet, can test it today
[17:43] <cyphermox> OK
[17:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: self scripted, need to support private PPAs
[17:43] <cyphermox> Ok, was just checking
[17:43] <ogra_> sergiusens, og, private too !
[17:43] <ogra_> *oh even
[17:57] <mhall119> aquarius: pong?
[17:58] <aquarius> mhall119, you were annoyed with u1 while I was on the phone in meeting 3 :)
[17:58] <mhall119> aquarius: it got stuck trying to upload a .webm video I was trying to share
[17:59] <aquarius> mhall119, :(
[18:00] <aquarius> mhall119, did it work now?
[18:03] <mhall119> aquarius: seems to have
[18:03] <mhall119> I gave up and uploaded it to youtube instead
[18:04] <aquarius> mhall119, sorry. :(
[18:05] <mhall119> don't worry, I just like to complain
[18:05] <sturmflut> Okay, I found the problem: My new Nexus 7 from the store didn't have the latest firmware installed. It was on JOP40D instead of JDQ39, and phablet-flash only works with JDQ39.
[18:05] <mhall119> in fact, that's what the video was, me complaining about an SDK bug
[18:25] <mhall119> Does anybody know if there a way to set the MainView header text without using Tabs or PageStack?
[18:27] <robru> mhall119, sorry, dunno. I think the easiest thing is to just "use tabs" but only have one tab.
[18:27] <robru> (that's what friends-app is currently doing)
[18:32] <mhall119> :/
[18:33] <mhall119> I'm trying to update the currency converter tutorial, want to keep it as close to how it was as I can
[18:33] <mhall119> but now MainView is putting the header there all the time
[18:39] <t1mp> mhall119: which version of the UITK are you using? The latest version (0.1.40) should hide the header when no title is set.
[18:40] <t1mp> mhall119: in raring universe it has an older version, but in the PPA version (see https://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ - (1)) it is 0.1.40
[18:41] <mhall119> t1mp: let me check
[18:44] <awe> rsalveti, ofono-raring MR fixed; I'm downloading the latest daily, and will give it a quick run through it's paces...
[18:46] <sergiusens> awe: nice
[18:47] <rsalveti> awe: cool, were you able to test with quantal as well?
[18:48] <awe> rsalveti, that's what I'm about to do
[18:49] <rsalveti> awe: cool
[18:49] <awe> the hfp thing turns out to be the new hands-free-profile
[18:49] <awe> they built as a pseudo-driver
[18:49] <awe> and phonesim depends on it
[18:49] <awe> so I jiggered the Makefile.am to build it
[18:50] <awe> I'd disabled a bunch of drivers/plugins with if !RILMODEM
[18:50] <awe> that said, we're still disabling bluetooth & dundee
[18:50] <awe> will leave those lovely treats for cyphermox.  ;D
[18:53] <rsalveti> awe: right, that's fine, step by step :_)
[19:03]  * ogra_ wonders if it is his browser or if the CSS on https://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ is actually gone
[19:04] <seb128> ogra_, your browser (works here)
[19:04] <ogra_> hmm, works again ... yeah, i blame my browser
[19:05] <sergiusens> ogra_: ogra_ seb128 fails for me too, so it may be a balancer issue?
[19:05] <ogra_> bzoltan1,  mhall119, so do we actually have any story for packaging our apps from the SDK ?
[19:05] <rsalveti> works fine here
[19:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: doesn't for me :-/
[19:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: firefox?
[19:06] <ogra_> sergiusens, chromium ?
[19:06]  * ogra_ just noticed a little new icon in his URL bar
[19:06] <rsalveti> yeah, chromium didn't like it
[19:06] <ogra_> hah !
[19:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, works in FF, fails in chromium
[19:07] <ogra_> "this web page contains insecure content, load it anyway [Yes/No]"
[19:07] <rsalveti> the developer just tested with firefox :-)
[19:07] <ogra_> if FF would be any usable on arm i would use it
[19:07] <sergiusens> ah the police badge from simcity
[19:07] <ogra_> yeah
[19:08] <ogra_> allowing it gets me a broken "https lock" but loads the CSS
[19:11] <cyphermox> awe: what's up with hfp?
[19:13] <awe> ah, I'm porting our ofono code to raring, and for now I've disabled the bluetooth and dundee options
[19:14] <awe> so if/when you start playing with handsfree, you'll need to sort it out...
[19:14] <cyphermox> yeah
[19:14] <pmcgowan> ogra_: packaging support is on the plan
[19:14] <cyphermox> I'm right there now
[19:14] <awe> I think the hfp code was also based on bluez5
[19:14] <cyphermox> why does bluetooth need to be disabled?
[19:14] <cyphermox> oh ok
[19:14] <awe> build issues...
[19:14] <cyphermox> then that's probably "fine"
[19:14] <cyphermox> ok
[19:14] <ogra_> pmcgowan, doe we have a blueprint ? i would like to end the discussion on the ML with something fruitful where people can drop ideas
[19:14] <awe> yea, just giving you a heads-up
[19:14] <cyphermox> I'll grab and build the code on my n7 then :)
[19:15] <awe> I'm really not doing any work on the BT bits right now, and this is blocking further SIM/GPRS work
[19:15] <pmcgowan> ogra_: let me check the thread, will check also on blueprint
[19:15] <cyphermox> awe: sure, no problem, it's the right thing to do
[19:15] <awe> fyi, this is how we built ofono on the quantal images as well; temporary solution only
[19:15] <awe> cool, thanks
[19:42] <jhodapp> rsalveti, any idea what device the native_window_api_connect() call is trying to connect to on the Android side? I'm getting this when trying to use a SurfaceTextureClient instance: "E/MediaCodec( 1802): native_window_api_connect returned an error: No such device (-19)"
[19:43] <sturmflut> Are the instructions on http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/mobile/currency-converter-phone-app/ still correct? I tried the CurrencyConverter example on Raring Ringtail and the code fails because "import Ubuntu.Components 0.1" doesn't seem to work. Also the package providing /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/ , qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin, is not mentioned in the tutorial.
[19:43] <rsalveti> jhodapp: not sure
[19:43] <rsalveti> jhodapp: this is the same error you had with the test based app, right?
[19:44] <jhodapp> rsalveti, no it's different now, though similar
[19:44] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I think it's erroring at a very similar point though
[19:44] <rsalveti> jhodapp: right
[19:45] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I was getting errno -22
[19:45] <jhodapp> rsalveti, since I hadn't set up a proper surface
[19:45] <dhacker29> hello all
[19:47] <rsalveti> jhodapp: http://androidxref.com/4.2.2_r1/xref/system/core/include/system/window.h#797
[19:47] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ah you found where it is, I was just looking for that
[19:47] <rsalveti> jhodapp: http://androidxref.com/4.2.2_r1/xref/frameworks/av/media/libstagefright/MediaCodec.cpp#1496
[19:48] <rsalveti> jhodapp: so you can only have one api connected at a surface at a time
[19:48] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah saw the line in MediaCodec...was hunting for native_window_api_connect()
[19:49] <jhodapp> rsalveti, oh interesting...so I've stopped ubuntu-session for this test...I wonder what other API might be connected
[19:49] <rsalveti> jhodapp: need to find what is -19
[19:50] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ENODEV
[19:50] <jhodapp> no such device
[19:50] <jhodapp> rsalveti, that's why I'm wondering if it's trying to connect to a framebuffer device or something
[19:51] <rsalveti> http://androidxref.com/4.2.2_r1/xref/frameworks/native/libs/gui/SurfaceTextureClient.cpp#connect
[19:51] <rsalveti> jhodapp: that's weird
[19:52] <rsalveti> in theory the surface client is already connected with surfaceflinger
[19:52] <jhodapp> rsalveti, I've created the GL surface in my test program and wrapped it in an android::SurfaceTexture
[19:52] <rsalveti> jhodapp: right
[19:52] <jhodapp> rsalveti, then it gets passed to the SurfaceTextureClient
[19:58] <rsalveti> jhodapp: maybe it's missing some sort of setup to tell it to use sf
[19:58] <rsalveti> not sure
[19:58] <rsalveti> as this connect is not necessarily special
[19:58] <rsalveti> for the media type
[19:58] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah
[19:59] <jhodapp> rsalveti, it's interesting that even the Android test player that uses MediaCodec doesn't work on our setup
[20:01] <rsalveti> jhodapp: but the -22 is kind of different, but still, that would probably be related with a broken code
[20:02] <jhodapp> rsalveti, right
[20:02] <rsalveti> which I'm not sure if it's the case as well, as I expect it to just work
[20:02] <dhacker29> rsalveti is this what you were looking for in the MR?
[20:02] <rsalveti> but your enodev is more interesting
[20:02] <dhacker29> # override defaults by sourcing /etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf
[20:02] <dhacker29> # or counterpart in android file system if the config is not in session-manager yet
[20:02] <dhacker29> [ -e /etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf ] && . /etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf ||
[20:02] <dhacker29> [ -e /system/etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf ] && . /system/etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf
[20:03] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah, it comes from the MediaCodec::configure() call
[20:03] <ogra_> dhacker29, ++
[20:03] <rsalveti> dhacker29: yup
[20:03] <dhacker29> OK I will push it up
[20:03] <ogra_> though really remove the ||
[20:03] <rsalveti> dhacker29: thanks
[20:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: without || it'd override the system config
[20:03] <dhacker29> Well he wanted to make sure that if it was in session-manager we not use the device version
[20:03] <ogra_> else a porter wont be able to override
[20:03] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats what it should
[20:04] <rsalveti> I prefer to avoid overrides
[20:04] <ogra_> did you see my last comment in the MP ?
[20:04] <rsalveti> nops, lemme see
[20:04] <ogra_> the first one is already an override
[20:04] <ogra_> its a chain
[20:04] <ogra_> so that the porter can still put something in place ...
[20:05] <awe> rsalveti, ofono-raring MR is all set.  Just finished testing...and added a comment to the MR
[20:05] <rsalveti> awe: cool
[20:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, or do you actually test each of the merges you make on the actual device to be sure they work as desired ?
[20:05] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but I think we should avoid allowing overrides , and instead just provide a way for the porter to provide the right file via the android image
[20:06] <ogra_> it gives the porters some flexibility in case a value in our zip is wrong
[20:06] <ogra_> rsalveti, and that you will reach by remooving the files from /etc/ubuntu-session.d/
[20:06] <rsalveti> but it'd make it behave differently depending on the android image used, for example
[20:06] <ogra_> and have porters put them into their images in /system/etc/ubuntu-session.d/$device.conf
[20:06] <rsalveti> and people would not necessarily contribute the fixes back to us
[20:07] <ogra_> they would with the android merge
[20:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: android merge?
[20:09] <ogra_> rsalveti,  dont we plan to merge their git stuff into phablet.u.c ?
[20:10] <ogra_> i thought that was what the gerrit instance was for
[20:10] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but I thought we'd still prefer such files to be part of the ubuntu side
[20:10] <rsalveti> we could then merge such changes and have 2 files with the same settings
[20:11] <rsalveti> and the android one would take priority
[20:11] <ogra_> then we can drop ours
[20:11] <ogra_> yeah, which is good
[20:11] <rsalveti> that's why I'm ok about extending to look somewhere else, but not replacing the original
[20:11] <ogra_> eventually the porters should care for the HW side themselves
[20:11] <ogra_> hmm
[20:11] <ogra_> your call
[20:12] <rsalveti> I just want to avoid having two places to maintain files :-)
[20:12] <ogra_> well, if the HW package ships that file we can drop it ... and i would assume to porter to know better if the values are coreect
[20:13] <ogra_> *correct
[20:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: right
[20:13] <rsalveti> ogra_: dhacker29: ok then, let's merge without the || and see later what happens
[20:13] <ogra_> but really, your call :) i wont complain (but also wont agree) if you do it with the ||
[20:14] <rsalveti> that's fine, we'll probably change it later on again, once we finish the container flip investigation and android image simplification
[20:14] <ogra_> (i dont think its overly important in the end :) )
[20:14] <rsalveti> yeah
[20:15] <ogra_> right, the container flip might change everything
[20:15] <awe> keyword *might*
[20:15] <rsalveti> yup
[20:15] <ogra_> heh
[20:15] <awe> wow, timing
[20:15] <awe> ;)
[20:16] <awe> ogra_, if you want to come to Boston a week before the Sprint, my band's playing!  ;)-
[20:16] <ogra_> awe, oh ! new band ?!?!!!
[20:16] <awe> ( old band )
[20:16] <awe> ( me, bfiller, ... )
[20:16] <ogra_> geez !
[20:17] <awe> Been looking for a place to play some guitar in Oakland too...  maybe we'll find an open mic night somewhere, as the hotel wasn't super music friendly last time.
[20:17] <rsalveti> awe: you should play at the sprint
[20:17] <ogra_> awe, couldnt you have told me last week ?
[20:18] <ogra_> my flight is booked :(((
[20:18] <awe> yea, kinda last minute
[20:18] <awe> rsalveti, been trying to figure out some way to play at the Sprint.  We'll see.
[20:19] <ogra_> i'll be in NY/Boston/Maine end of the year i think ...  if you could play again then :)
[20:19] <rsalveti> awe: that would be awesome
[20:19] <awe> ogra_, keep me posted on your dates
[20:19] <awe> I have good friends in Portland, ME that I'm overdue seeing.
[20:19] <ogra_> will do, nothing is fixed yet
[20:20] <ogra_> i'm going to the annual LTSP lobster thingie in maine and was planning to actually fly in to NY and then drive up the coast
[20:22] <dhacker29> Merge proposal updated https://code.launchpad.net/~davidhackerdvm/session-manager/ubuntu-session-update/+merge/157013
[20:22] <awe> ogra_, sounds like a good time!
[20:22] <ogra_> :)
[20:31] <jhodapp> rsalveti, do you know where in the source (I assume it's part of SurfaceFlinger
[20:31] <jhodapp> rsalveti, ISurfaceTexture.cpp connect() connects to?
[20:33] <jhodapp> rsalveti, meaning where's the other end of the proxied connect call?
[20:35] <rsalveti> jhodapp: not sure, probably surface flinger itself
[20:35] <rsalveti> tvoss might know better
[20:35] <jhodapp> rsalveti, yeah that's what I'm thinking...I'll email him
[20:39] <sergiusens> rsalveti: do I get a webapi for phablet.c.c ?
[20:40] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry, for what exactly?
[20:41] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I can breakfast now, but I default to 'github' as the remote, I want to check if phablet-10.1 is in phablet.c.c for the repo to set the remote to phablet
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, don't think so, I believe it's just a plain gitweb
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: do you have that with github?
[20:42] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, did a little research... I could resort to beautiful soup or hand crafted regexes
[20:43] <sergiusens> the former is more _polished_ while the latter adds no deps
[20:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, might be easier with beautiful soup, but I believe we don't need much though
[20:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: do you only want to check if the repo is available at p.u.c?
[20:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: or do you want brunch to download from CM if not available at phablet.u.c?
[20:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I'm already breakfasting from CM ;-)
[20:47] <sergiusens> rsalveti: what I need to know is if not only the repo, but the phablet-10.1 branch is available
[20:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, and if not check from CM
[20:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yup
[20:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti: don't worry, I'll craft some filters :-)
[20:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: alright, looking forward to see the implementation :-)
[20:49] <rsalveti> sergiusens: because we need to solve 2 issues, probably solved by the same solution
[20:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti: what's the other?
[20:49] <rsalveti> one is downloading just what is needed from phablet.u.c when bootstraping the repos for a device
[20:49] <rsalveti> and the other is allowing people to download the extra repos automatically from CM
[20:50] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I can already do the latter, just did it for the n7000, but I never check phablet.c.c ... which is what I want to do now
[20:50] <rsalveti> the second is useful at least to fetch the repos to customize locally
[20:50] <rsalveti> but not for auto bootstrap/build
[20:51] <sergiusens> rsalveti: if I read correctly, I think I solved both issues... just needs this prior check on phablet.c.c
[20:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[20:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we might want to warn the user as well that the repos are coming from the original CM
[20:52] <rsalveti> so he knows that brunch will probably fail :-)
[20:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[20:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: well, breakfast tells you that already... we can do something more _warningful_ if required
[20:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, I think we should add a bit more warnings :-)
[20:54] <rsalveti> just so people knows it's not supported at al
[20:54] <rsalveti> all
[21:56] <mhall119> ogra_`: right now there's no packaging in the templates or packaging option in QtCretor
[21:56] <ogra_`> mhall119, that i'm aware of :)
[21:57] <singpolyma> What's the reccomended way to test Ubuntu Touch apps while developing?  Is there a simulator?
[21:57] <mhall119> ogra_`: the default is currently debian packaging, we're doing it manually right now, it can probably be mostly automated with either the template & QtCreator or with something like pkgme
[21:58] <boiko> bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/phone-app/revert_conversation_fixes/+merge/157966
[21:58] <mhall119> ogra_`: aquarius's team was investigating the scalability of our current method of packaging and deploying, compared to other ways of doing so
[21:58] <bfiller> boiko: I'll take a look
[21:58] <boiko> bfiller: thanks
[21:59] <ogra_`> mhall119, i'm aware of that too ...
[21:59] <boiko> bfiller: I have na appointment now, but I can come back later if there is any problem with the MR
[21:59] <bfiller> boiko: sounds good, thanks
[21:59] <ogra_`> mhall119, i was just wondering (based on todays mail thread) if there were already some high level plans for how it will look to the dev etc
[22:00] <mhall119> ogra_`: I don't think so, no
[22:00] <ogra_`> even debian packaging should be easy to integrate (and i belive we will stay with a simplyfied kind of dpkg in the end)
[22:01] <ogra_`> i think it would be good to have a spec for that to gather developer input at the next vUDS
[22:14] <RobbyF> anything interesting today?
[22:17] <mhall119> ogra_`: I believe aquarius's team is preparing exactly that
[22:18] <ogra_`> k
[22:47] <RobbyF> I like how calculator keeps last calculation in history
[23:45]  * sergiusens hates it when github starts returning 403s


[10:37] <knome> updated https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/xubuntu-marketing/current, svg sources for cosmic->focal can be found there
[10:50] <Unit193> bluesabre: AFAIk, nothing is pending on me.  I hope I'm not forgetting anything, yes?
[10:50] <Unit193> And, Happy Easter, such as it may be.
[11:26] <Unit193> jphilips: [06:37:32] < knome> updated https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/xubuntu-marketing/current, svg sources for cosmic->focal can be found there
[11:27] <jphilips> thanks Unit193 and knome
[11:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: I don't think anything's pending on you. I'm tempted to push taskman to focal (and maybe other bugfixes if we have them)
[11:44] <Unit193> In Debian, I just haven't done Thunar nor -session.
[11:45] <Unit193> -terminal was the other one.
[19:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: sounds like a win to me. nothing critical in it though, just nice-to-have fixes
[19:45] <ochosi> so also very little risk


[11:56] <lool> Does someone reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/358961 with a desktop daily on !armel?
[11:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 358961 in ubiquity "Broken window icon in top left corner" [Undecided,New]
[11:57] <persia> lool, Yes: I'm looking at it now.  I'll confirm.
[11:57] <lool> On armel or !armel?
[11:57] <persia> armel
[11:57] <persia> Sorry.  I'll try another arch right now.
[12:07] <lool> I'd suspect the new libglade personally
[12:07] <persia> lool, I ran into another issue in my first test on i386, but at least the questions had the icon.
[12:13] <jtholmes> davmor2, mornin
[12:13] <davmor2> jtholmes: Morning
[12:14] <jtholmes> you asked about the bars yesterday and I found that side by side goes away and never comes back
[12:16] <davmor2> jtholmes: yes it a bug it's not meant too
[12:16] <jtholmes> ok i am downloading dailys now will check things out
[12:17] <davmor2> jtholmes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/358519
[12:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 358519 in ubiquity "Jaunty: Ubiquity-frontend-kde step 4 should display bars for partitioning" [Undecided,New]
[12:17] <davmor2> I don't think it got fixed yesterday
[12:19] <jtholmes> i knew i had seen the bars on a previous daily but could not find the one that worked correctly
[12:20] <jtholmes> now with VM i can keep several days iso's in diff VM's and refer back to check on previous behaviors
[12:20] <jtholmes> the VM is a little slow loading etc. but allows me to keep several days of dailys ready to run etc.
[12:21] <persia> jtholmes, You might consider just keeping the dailies as files, and then loading those ISOs into the VMs, rather than keeping the installed results laying about.
[12:21] <persia> The ISO should only be ~700MB, but the installed target is more likely to be close to 2GB.
[12:23] <persia> lool, I can reproduce in i386 reliably now: that I couldn't reproduce before it probably related to the other issues I had with that install.
[12:23] <jtholmes> persia, well i have about 65G for the VM and so far it am only using about 20% of it with 4 dailys loaded
[12:23] <lool> Then I'll target the bug
[12:23] <jtholmes> i just wish the VM was faster loading and starting
[12:24] <persia> jtholmes, Well, that's up to you.  That's 13G.
[12:25] <jtholmes> i may change that approach if disk space get used up faster than i want but thanks for the heads up
[12:25] <persia> My local iso directory typically has between 6 and 10 different images (I don't keep historical copies), so for me, it's easier to replicate the install (doesn't take that long), or replicate in a live environment.
[12:26] <jtholmes> from start to finish how long does your VM take to install and load one iso mine takes about 35 min
[12:26] <jtholmes> and thats on a fast machine
[12:26] <persia> about the same for a full install.
[12:26] <persia> The live environment is usually available in a couple minutes, and that sufficies for most replication.
[12:27] <jtholmes> ok just wanted a watermark
[12:27] <persia> If you want faster VMs, you want *lots* of RAM and very fast disks.
[12:28] <persia> I understand an install can be done in about 15 minutes, if one both reads from and writes to cache, rather than actual disk reads.
[12:28] <jtholmes> have fast disks plan to add more memory today or tomorrow
[12:29] <jtholmes> i can bring up live cd to start of install in about 5 mins is that pretty standard
[12:29] <persia> Right.
[12:29] <jtholmes> starting with a new VM that is
[12:29] <jtholmes> ok
[12:30] <persia> I'm surprised it takes that long with fast disks though: I can get about that with a laptop.
[12:30] <davmor2> persia: I cheat I use hardware :D
[12:30] <jtholmes> yes it is a litle slower than i thought i currently have 2G mem
[12:31] <persia> davmor2, I use hardware sometimes, but I find it slower, because it takes longer for me to burn CDs or USB keys than to launch a VM :)
[12:31] <davmor2> persia: I know but I get really issues that aren't apparent in vm so swings and roundabouts
[12:32] <persia> jtholmes, That's probably the limiting factor then.    That's usually at least 8GB.
[12:32] <persia> davmor2, Yep.  That's why I also use hardware :)
[12:33] <persia> My experience is that 80% of issues can be replicated in a VM, but only 80%, and none of them related to the kernel.
[12:34] <jtholmes> hmm 8G well i might give that a try i was going to bump to 6 but might go 8 thanks
[12:36] <davmor2> persia: I currently have a nice setup that I want to increase.  I need ati gfx base unit to round off the 3 major gfx bases.  I got 32 and 64bit machines.  I got bought and home buit units, laptops and netbooks.  I got a machine specifically for testing ltsp oh and a huge electric bill :)
[12:37] <persia> davmor2, That sounds like a decent setup.
[12:37] <jtholmes> yikes!
[12:38] <persia> Mine is different (2 lpia, 3 armel (one for which we no longer ship kernel), 2 amd64).  My powerpc is sadly dormant.
[12:38] <persia> But I tend to test different things :)
[12:38] <davmor2> persia: like I say I just want an ati base unit then I intel, nvida and ati :)
[12:38] <davmor2> persia: I test everything bar armel
[12:39] <persia> You ought be able to grab a relatively inexpensive ati card somewhere.
[12:39] <davmor2> persia: yeah but I need the base unit too :)
[12:42] <davmor2> persia: probably need a bigger kvm too then :)
[12:51]  * davmor2 -> Off out for a bit see you's latter
[12:53] <jtholmes> davmor2, whoever fixed something
[12:54] <jtholmes> no more side by side, no more use largest free area
[12:54] <jtholmes> only use entire disk, and manually but the bars are there on step 4
[12:55] <jtholmes> and they took the Bang Icons off the WHo are you page, yeah
[13:16] <jtholmes> it appears that there is a ubuntu alternate and a kubuntu alternate is that correct?
[13:16] <persia> jtholmes, Yes.
[13:17] <jtholmes> thanks
[13:17] <persia> The difference is the set of packages available in the pool, the default tasks, and the preseeding.
[13:17] <jtholmes> good to know
[13:17] <persia> So, while it's possible to install Xubuntu from the Kubuntu alternate CD, one ends up downloading a fair number of packages (and one has to fiddle the defaults).
[13:19] <jtholmes> is alternate for those machines that seem to choke on other iso's for one reason or another
[13:20] <persia> Well that, or to support certain classes of automated installs, or for different sorts of accessibility, or just more control over the installation process.
[13:20] <jtholmes> got it
[13:21] <persia> There are things one can do with alternates that one can't do with the live images, in terms of package selection, etc.
[13:21] <persia> So, for example, the Server CDs are *all* alternates, because it's impossible to know which kind of server is being installed, and nobody wants an unmaintained webserver installed on their mailserver.
[13:23] <jtholmes> good good
[16:17] <jtholmes> persia, ping
[16:18] <jtholmes> does anyone know if today is a holiday in Europe as it is in most of the USA
[16:19] <stgraber> it's
[16:19] <jtholmes> thank you
[17:07] <davmor2> persia: you about still?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Hello, davmor2
[17:07] <davmor2> Hello charlie-tca :)  How's things stateside?
[17:08] <charlie-tca> Looking good, I think.
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Not making any bets, though, today
[17:10] <davmor2> :)
[17:27] <jtholmes> davmor2, do you have the bug number for side by side partitioning failing?
[17:28] <jtholmes> i cant find it in lp
[17:29] <davmor2> jtholmes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/358519
[17:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 358519 in ubiquity "Jaunty: Ubiquity-frontend-kde step 4 should display bars for partitioning" [Undecided,New]
[17:29] <jtholmes> thanks
[17:51] <jtholmes> is there a timestamp file in each iso telling when it was created  date/time etc.
[17:54] <davmor2> jtholmes: What for?
[17:55] <jtholmes> so i can positively identify an iso image
[17:55] <jtholmes> other that lsb-release file which has no date/time
[17:56] <davmor2> jtholmes: you can use md5sum to track images
[17:56] <jtholmes> true but was looking for simpler method, but that will do
[17:57] <davmor2> jtholmes: you could right click on it and look at properties
[17:58] <jtholmes> btw  #339308 is in  4/10/9  daily-live  dont believe it was ever fixed i attaching bug trace
[17:58] <jtholmes> yes hadnt thought about properties
[17:58] <jtholmes> i am attaching  ubiquity -d  files to the bug for devel
[17:59] <davmor2> jtholmes: they know about it it's just a mtter of tracing back to when it first happened
[17:59] <jtholmes> ok thanks
[18:15] <cjwatson> jtholmes: .disk/info
[18:22] <jtholmes> cjwatson, stepped away for lunch will find it and include it also
[18:24]  * sbeattie writes a todo to himself to get apport to include it if ubuntu-bug is invoked from a livecd.
[18:25] <cjwatson> I don't think we need further information on 358519, if that's the one you're talking about
[18:25] <cjwatson> I could reproduce it myself
[22:34] <jtholmes> is there something similare to ctrace for python
[22:35] <jtholmes> similare similar


[00:05] <hipitihop> I'm running HMDI audio and each time I reboot I need to go into the mixer and reenable one of the switches.... how can I get things to stick ?
[00:35] <foxbuntu> hipitihop, make sure you are up to date, I think there was a bug filed/fixed for that very issue recently
[00:42] <hipitihop> foxbuntu: been keeping pretty mcuh up to date but doing update now and will confirm. thanks
[00:50] <DonGiovanni> Hello, I have an issue where devices set to /dev/lirc0 will work but devices set to /dev/lirc1 will not (ir receiver on lirc0 and transmitter on lirc1 = ir receiver (remote) only works, if i switch transmitter to lirc0 and remote to lirc1 then only the transmitter works), any ideas?
[00:51] <DonGiovanni> I have a thread open here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1301052 with my conf files posted
[00:58] <hipitihop> foxbuntu: indeed sound works perfectly fine after reboot.... hurray progress ?
[00:59] <hipitihop> if I could only get my lirc working I'd actually have a working HTPC... usbhid still refuses to let go
[01:09] <fritz3000g> Hi there.  New IRC user.  I ran into a problem with mythtv today, which I am baffled by.  When I click "watch tv", it goes black for a few seconds and then goes back to the main menu.  The other symptom is that all my recordings are shown as grey and say that the can not be accessed.  I was thinking that it might be a permissions problem, but my whole user directory is 777 permissions with mythtv as a group.  Also, var/
[01:30] <fritz3000g1> Sorry if you're seeing this again.  I was on the online portion, then installed pidgin and I think that means I should post again.  So here is the question I asked a few minutes ago, again.
[01:30] <fritz3000g1> I ran into a problem with mythtv today, which I am baffled by.  When I click "watch tv", it goes black for a few seconds and then goes back to the main menu.  The other symptom is that all my recordings are shown as grey and say that the can not be accessed.  I was thinking that it might be a permissions problem, but my whole user directory is 777 permissions with mythtv as a group.  Also, var/lib/myth  is the same.  Any ideas?
[01:52] <OpenMedia> With Mythbuntu 9.10 rc I can't disable the Category Text fields in the EPG.
[01:53] <OpenMedia> I've check the database and the value for EPGShowCategoryText is zero.
[01:54] <OpenMedia> Any ideas?
[01:59] <joat> fritz3000g1: did you upgrade a kernel recently?
[02:00] <fritz3000g1> No not recently.  Been waiting for 9.10.
[02:01] <joat> have you rebooted lately?
[02:01] <fritz3000g1> Yeah a few minutes ago I did.
[02:01] <joat> and it still acts up?
[02:01] <fritz3000g1> Yeah, still acts up.
[02:02] <superm1> does the log show anything useful?
[02:02] <superm1> !logs
[02:02] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[02:02] <fritz3000g1> Sure it's here:
[02:03] <joat> yikes!
[02:03] <mrand> haha
[02:03] <superm1> hence the reason for pastebin :
[02:03] <joat> heh
[02:03] <superm1> fritz3000g, please use pastebin
[02:03] <fritz3000g> Yeah sorry.  First timer.
[02:04] <superm1> if you run that tool, it will put everything on a pastebin for you
[02:04] <superm1> and you can just post the URL here
[02:05] <fritz3000g> Here's the link to the pastebin.  Thanks superm1 for the tip.
[02:06] <fritz3000g> http://paste.ubuntu.com/302472/
[02:06] <superm1> fritz3000g, that's not the log we're looking for, the backend log is what we are looking for
[02:07] <superm1> that looks like a frontend log to me
[02:09] <fritz3000g> I'm not sure if I did it right, but the tool that came up gave me this link:  http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6d25d828
[02:10] <superm1> so according to that you've got a problem with mysql it would appear
[02:11] <superm1> well two problems that i see actually
[02:11] <superm1> #
[02:11] <superm1> 2009-10-26 20:48:29.019 SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/home/fritz3000g/mythtv/recordings' does not exist!
[02:11] <superm1> so make sure your storage directory is set up right
[02:11] <superm1> and the other thing, check the mysql table for error
[02:12] <fritz3000g> That's odd.  I see the directory there with 777 permissions.  How do I check the mysql table?
[02:13] <superm1> can you run "ls -alhR /home/fritz3000g/mythtv/recordings" in a terminal and pastebin that output?
[02:13] <superm1> perhaps its a small typographical error somewhere
[02:13] <superm1> sort out that problem first, and then we'll see if the other fixes itself since files can be written again
[02:15] <fritz3000g> Here it is: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m78cd0c8b
[02:15] <superm1> well gee, that's perplexing then!
[02:16] <fritz3000g> Thanks I suppose.
[02:16] <superm1> is it possible that the drive is almost full?
[02:17] <mrand> df -k
[02:17] <fritz3000g> No it's got 228 gigs free.
[02:18] <fritz3000g> I noticed this error in the logs I posted.  The file isn't there as far as I can tell.  /usr/share/gvfs/remote-volume-monitors: Error opening directory '/usr/share/gvfs/remote-volume-monitors': No such file or directory
[02:19] <superm1> well it wouldn't hurt to do an fsck on the disk
[02:19] <superm1> i wonder if you've got some corruption somewhere perhaps?
[02:19] <fritz3000g> I've done that before but not recently.  What command would you use?
[02:20] <superm1> if you boot some live media and run "fsck DEVICE"
[02:20] <superm1> where DEVICE is the partition node in /dev/
[02:20] <superm1> like /dev/sda1
[02:20] <fritz3000g> Ok.   I'll give that a try.  Thanks for the help superm1.
[02:20] <superm1> np, good luck :)
[02:21] <OpenMedia> umm. Wondering if my issues are due to a database from MythTV 0.20 that I upgraded to 0.22
[02:21] <superm1> in theory the database is supposed to be fully upgradable
[02:22] <OpenMedia> The DB upgrade broke at the following schema versions
[02:22] <OpenMedia> 1170
[02:22] <OpenMedia> 1176
[02:22] <OpenMedia> 1198
[02:24] <OpenMedia> Here is the debug output for 1170, http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m42bf42c4
[02:24] <superm1> that was skipping 0.21 though?
[02:24] <OpenMedia> I checked out that there was no issues with the query and then bumped the database version to allow the upgrade to complete. Otherwise I'm stuck in an infinite DB upgrade loop.
[02:25] <OpenMedia> Yeah. No upgrade to 0.21. It was a DB backup from 0.20.
[02:25] <mrand> it really shouldn't matter.
[02:25] <mrand> From a pure database standpoint.
[02:26] <OpenMedia> Here is an updated link showing all 3 of the updates that failed
[02:26] <OpenMedia> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d5bf8d587
[02:27] <OpenMedia> I've tested upgrading the same 0.20 database to 0.21 under Mythbuntu 9.04 without any issues. This problem only happens on 0.22 and Mythbuntu 9.10
[02:27] <superm1> tbh, those things are probably best raised in #mythtv-users and/or on a bug report on svn.mythtv.org than here
[02:27] <OpenMedia> Just checking it wasn't something you'd seen before.
[02:27] <superm1> Nope, sorry :(
[02:28] <mrand> mdean on the mythtv-users mailing list often looks over these kinds of reports as well.
[02:28] <OpenMedia> Otherwise seriously impressed with 0.22 on 9.10.
[02:29] <OpenMedia> One oddity I've got is I can't disable the Category Text fields in the EPG. Looking at the database the value for EPGShowCategoryText is zero which is what I'd expect.
[02:31] <hads> OpenMedia: It's theme dependant now.
[02:31] <hads> csed -i 's/<showcategories>yes<\/showcategories>/<showcategories>no<\/showcategories>/' /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Mythbuntu/schedule-ui.xml
[02:31] <hads> erm, minus that c.
[02:33] <OpenMedia> hads: Cheers. Bit odd. It used to be selectable in the setup.
[02:34] <hads> Yeah, they (upstream) decided to make it theme dependant.
[02:37] <OpenMedia> Nice.
[03:02] <DonGiovanni> any ideas what would cause a device set to /dev/lirc1 to stop working when they otherwise work when set to /dev/lirc0?
[03:05] <fritz3000g> Whey you say "set to", you mean in xorg.conf?
[03:08] <DonGiovanni> nah in my /etc/lirc/hardware.conf
[03:09] <DonGiovanni> i have a remote (ir receiver) and a serial ir transmitter.  whichever device i set to /dev/lirc0 will work, the one assigned to /dev/lirc1 will not work
[03:11] <fritz3000g> Not sure, even after half the day working on lirc myself.
[03:12] <DonGiovanni> the confusing thing is
[03:13] <DonGiovanni> this configuration has worked perfectly for almost two years now
[03:13] <DonGiovanni> then my harddrive died so i reinstalled mythtv on a new drive and just used the backups of my config files
[03:14] <DonGiovanni> but for some reason only the first lirc device works, the second one doesn't
[03:14] <DonGiovanni> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1301052
[03:16] <fritz3000g> Posted this earlier, and was recommended to run fsck on the disk.  Here's the original post, and the error log.  I ran into a problem with mythtv today, which I am baffled by.  When I click "watch tv", it goes black for a few seconds and then goes back to the main menu.**The other symptom is that all my recordings are shown as grey and say that the can not be accessed. I was thinking that it might be a permissions problem, but my whole user dire
[03:20] <tgm4883> fritz3000g, what about your user dir?
[03:22] <fritz3000g> It's got 777 permissions.
[03:22] <tgm4883> your recording directory is inside your user directory?
[03:22] <fritz3000g> Yeah it is.
[03:22] <tgm4883> yea don't do that
[03:23] <fritz3000g> What should it have?
[03:23] <tgm4883> you should put it outside your user directory, owned by mythtv:mythtv and permissions 755 I think
[03:26] <fritz3000g> Ok I'm moving it.
[03:27] <tgm4883> there is also
[03:27] <tgm4883> !%blank%
[03:27] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[03:29] <fritz3000g> Ok I'll do that too.  Thanks.
[03:40] <fritz3000g> Hey who knew.  It worked.  Thanks Zinn and tgm4883.
[03:41] <tgm4883> fritz3000g, np, I've seen many strange issues putting it in the home dir
[05:02] <hads> !blank
[05:02] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about blank
[05:02] <hads> !blankscreen
[05:02] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[05:02] <hads> !bla%
[05:02] <Zinn> If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[06:29] <hipitihop> how do I disable userid & password prompt on the http asx stream ?
[06:34] <ToeBee> mine doesn't have one. Then again, I don't have any password on my mythweb in the first place
[06:34] <ToeBee> (my mythbox is not accessible from outside of my network)
[06:35] <ToeBee> on the other hand, video isn't working in mine :/
[08:43] <Vhexation> So...tech support? = )  I'm running Mythbuntu and upgraded a few weeks ago to 9.10.  Things were pretty good, but yesterday I ran updates on the server (required a reboot) and since it came back up I've been having weird sound issues.  I have a PVR-350 and HVR-1600.  The programs that were recorded with the PVR-350 today had no sound.  So I checked LiveTV and sure enough, the PVR-350 had no sound in live TV, but the HVR-1600 had sound
[08:57] <hads> Vhexation: PVR-150 here works with current updates. Not very helpful but it's not all of ivtv that's broken
[09:05] <Vhexation> That's helpful though, means I might not have to look too deep into ivtv.  It might be my box for all I know.  I had a PVR-500 do something similar with video last year.
[12:47] <Dorgo> hey guys.
[12:49] <Dorgo> been trying to install mythbuntu 9.10 all day. every time , it reaches 76% and dies with [Errno 5] input/output error at 76%
[12:49] <Dorgo> i have tried both the beta and the RC (burned two disks each, at 24x), checked the MD5.
[12:49] <Dorgo> three different hard drives.
[12:49] <Dorgo> any ideas?
[13:16] <mrand> Dorgo:  1. Where are you getting the .iso from?  2. Did you try booting in both live mode (option 1) and install mode (option 2, I think).  They behave slightly differently, but both allow for installing.    3. Did you try booting in safe mode?
[13:16] <Dorgo> iso from mythbuntu website. yes tried both live and install.
[13:16] <Dorgo> not safe mode
[13:16] <mrand> I would hope safe mode wouldn't help if you're already up and running at 76%
[13:17] <Dorgo> just burned a new cd of a different type with a different program and ran the disk check and got no errors
[13:17] <mrand> Probably not worth trying.
[13:17] <Dorgo> so let me try this one before we look any further
[13:17] <mrand> Backup is to try standard ubuntu desk.
[13:17] <Dorgo> k
[13:22] <Dorgo> just a random question... am i cool to just do the guided partitioning on an 80gb then move around partitions later to for example use the other 500gb for data etc?
[13:22] <Dorgo> I couldn't find a decent explanation of the ideal partitions and filesystem types
[13:22] <mrand> The mythbuntu disk that is likely going to press is here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/   but the changes between rc and release on mythbuntu are pretty small.  You can get the latest ubuntu disk from here (this is likely what will be going to press): http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:23] <Dorgo> got 40gb,80gb&500gb in the box
[13:23] <mrand> Yes, 80 GB is more than enough for OS and everything... really only takes a couple gigabytes.
[13:24] <Dorgo> ok
[13:40] <Dorgo> well how about that. it was just dodgy cds (or a dodgy burning program) :-D
[13:41] <mrand> great@!
[13:42] <Dorgo> yep :) now i just have to work out how to get it to see all the movies, tv and music i already have. capture card mission tomorrow.
[16:06] <Bicchi> I have a question regarding HDTV. Currently i use a box to convert the analog signal to digital that feeds to my TV.
[16:06] <Bicchi> What kind of card would I need that is compatible with Mythbuntu
[16:07] <Bicchi> I also need one that would allow me to change channels, that is, that it comes with a remote control.
[16:08] <Bicchi> My setup is like this: [COAX CABLE FROM THE STREET] -> [HD BOX] -> [LCD TV]
[16:09] <Bicchi> I would like to use another output from the [HD BOX] to feed the signal to a TV card in the mythbuntu.
[16:11] <Bicchi> My current TV card (PVR-250) doesn't record in HD and don't know what other options i have to record the signal.
[16:19] <tgm4883> Bicchi, are you sure the HD BOX isn't converting the digital signal to analog?
[16:22] <ToeBee> or for that matter from digital to digital like my setup
[16:22] <ToeBee> digital cable -> converter box -> HDMI
[16:23] <Bicchi> well comcast advertises it as a "High Definition Television"
[16:24] <ToeBee> pretty sure any HD content you get is coming in over "digital cable"
[16:24] <Bicchi> i think it is just used to boast the HD signal that comes in the coax
[16:25] <ToeBee> it is probably decrypting the digital HD video stream using a CableCard stuck in the back
[16:26] <Bicchi> Anyway, anything i record with the PVR-250 looks awfull now that i got a HD TV
[16:27] <Bicchi> i think cause is recording at 720x480 quality
[16:27] <Bicchi> My TV is playing things at 1920x1080 resolution.
[16:28] <Bicchi> Which explains why i want to get a card that can record at those high resolutions.
[16:28] <ToeBee> yeah same here. The problem is the encryption that comcast puts on the digital signal. Unless something has changed recently, you can't get a CableCard tuner that works in Linux :(
[16:28] <Bicchi> i was looking at this one pcHDTV 5500
[16:28] <tgm4883> Bicchi, you need an HDPVR
[16:30] <ToeBee> heck, your TV probably has a digital tuner in it so you wouldn't even need the HD Box they gave you... except your TV can't read the encrypted signal
[16:31] <tgm4883> likely, you would only receive local HD channels
[16:31] <Bicchi> I see. I can see some channels in high def. without the box like CBS.
[16:32] <ToeBee> yeah. The others are all encrypted. I'm pretty sure Comcast does this mostly just to force you to pay the extra $5/month for the cable box
[16:32] <Bicchi> i thought the box would boost the signal or something.
[16:32] <ToeBee> same thing with mythtv. They want you to shell out $15/month for *their* HD DVR. But yeah, that hd-PVR should work
[16:32] <ToeBee> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR
[16:33] <ToeBee> nope
[16:33] <ToeBee> signal is fine.  I have the same issue with Cox
[16:34] <ToeBee> wow.  It just has nothing to do with signal strength
[16:36] <ToeBee> unless your TV has support for CableCard
[16:36] <tgm4883> Bicchi, yea, they people you talk to aren't very technical
[16:37] <Bicchi> i though the box was to convert the signal from 480i into like 1090i. something like that.
[16:38] <tgm4883> well it does do some conversion, but nothing that mythtv couldn't handle itself. And the conversion it does is whatever the channel broadcasts in to whatever you selected it to come out as
[16:38] <tgm4883> But really, the only technical reason you need the cable box is because they encrypt their content
[16:39] <Bicchi> ok
[16:39] <Bicchi> will the tunner from the hd-pvr be able to change the channels?
[16:39] <tgm4883> well you need to an IR blaster, but IIRC the HDPVR has one
[16:40] <tgm4883> IIRC, you can use firewire to change the channels too (and not record), but i'm not 100% sure on that
[16:40] <Bicchi> any internal pci/pci-e you recommend that plays nice in linux ?
[16:40] <tgm4883> Bicchi, do you want to get more channels than just your Local HD?
[16:41] <Bicchi> if possible yes
[16:41] <mrand> Bicchi: there is only one HD capture device, the HD-PVR.  Anything else will only be able to capture un-encrypted channels.
[16:41] <tgm4883> Then there is no internal card that will do what you want to do, not for Linux, Windows or Mac
[16:41] <Bicchi> what about this one. i know is not internal http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html
[16:41] <mrand> Last I heard, jarod was working on getting the IR blaster working on it.  I don't know the latest status.
[16:41] <tgm4883> wtf are we talking about here?
[16:42] <tgm4883> Bicchi, you mean the same card we have been recommending you get for the last 10 minutes?
[16:42] <tgm4883> well, technically it isn't a card
[16:42] <ToeBee> well not so much "card" as "box"
[16:42] <tgm4883> but yea
[16:42] <ToeBee> heh
[16:42] <Bicchi> i know is not a card.
[16:43] <Bicchi> i was just asking if this one http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html records more thant the local channels
[16:43] <ToeBee> yes, it basically acts as a TV. You hook it up to your cable box with component cables
[16:44] <tgm4883> No, that box that we have been recommending for the last 15 minutes to do exactly what you want which is capture all channels your cable box
[16:44] <tgm4883>  /sarcasm
[16:44] <ToeBee> then it captures the picture signal and sends it to a computer via USB
[16:45] <Bicchi> does it work with mythtv and does it bring a remote control?
[16:45] <tgm4883> Bicchi, I'm going to let ToeBee answer that
[16:45] <Bicchi> don't worry i am just going to google the rest. thanks guys
[16:45] <ToeBee> :/ I already linked you to the mythtv page for it
[16:46] <ToeBee> I don't think it comes with a remote though
[16:48] <ToeBee> now if you can write to your congress critter and/or the FCC and convince them to outlaw all this DRM crap then the world would be a much happier place for all of us
[17:21] <tmkt> odd problems with mythtv 0.22 2-3minute delay for the remote to start working on initial FE startup
[17:21] <tmkt> 2 - Choices in Terra theme like Video Manager and Delete Videos that are useless
[17:24] <tgm4883> tmkt, useless how?
[17:52] <tmkt> just there is no point for them
[17:52] <tmkt> video browser does all the work
[17:52] <tmkt> go to Delete Videos
[17:52] <tmkt> it just plays them
[18:06] <tgm4883> tmkt, not sure about the delete videos, i'd check your logs
[18:07] <tgm4883> video manager has been removed in the latest mythtv builds
[18:08] <Memphisau> yeah, was sad to see it go :P
[18:10] <tmkt> no need for it...just like delete videos...is not needed
[18:11] <Memphisau> actually I quite liked it, it was easy to tell the family members: navigate to video manager, click that, then go back to 'watch videos' and the new shows on the USB hdd they plugged in would be available
[18:11] <Memphisau> now I have to define a menu button and teach them a new trick to do that
[18:11] <Memphisau> this is on a remote though
[18:39] <MythbuntuGuest34> can someone tell me if the 6200ch binary is included in Mythbuntu 9.10 RC? I see it is part of Ubuntu's MythTV package but I can't find the executable to change channels on my Motorola box
[18:51] <tgm4883> tmkt, why is delete videos not needed?
[19:01] <MythbuntuGuest34> I cannot find the binary and I also am getting an error making the file from source "cannot find lraw1394" I am a bit stuck. Any help would be appriciated.
[19:09] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest34, where do you see it's in the mythtv package?
[19:09] <tgm4883> and what is the binary called?
[19:10] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest34, looks like it is in the /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/channel_changers/6200ch/ directory
[19:11] <MythbuntuGuest34> 6200ch.c is the binary, and this link says it is included in the ubuntu mythtv package https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer
[19:11] <tgm4883> but doesn't look to be compiled
[19:11] <MythbuntuGuest34> yes I have the directory (and sorce files) but I am getting an error saying cannot find lraw1394 when trying to compile
[19:11] <tgm4883> well that file is there, it's zipped though
[19:11] <tgm4883> well if you are trying to compile it, it's not the binary
[19:12]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[19:13] <MythbuntuGuest34> brb, firefox is frozen with this java aplet open, I am going to look again for the binary
[19:13] <tgm4883> I can't find a single file containing the keyword 6200.ch
[19:13] <tgm4883> which is what the binary should be called
[19:13] <tgm4883> foxbuntu, do you know ^^
[19:15] <MythbuntuGuest34> did you say the binary was in the 6200ch.c.gz file?
[19:16] <MythbuntuGuest34> I can't find/open that file anymore but locate 6200 still shows it in the .../6200ch folder
[19:18] <MythbuntuGuest34> I also tried downloading the precompiled 6200ch.c file from the ubuntu wiki link earlier but the file no longer exists on the server
[19:27] <tgm4883> no, i don't see the binary anywhere
[19:30] <MythbuntuGuest34> ok, I guess I will need to either track it down or figure out why it isn't included. For now I guess I will try out mythchanger https://wiki.ubuntu.com/majoridiot
[20:28] <MythbuntuGuest34> mythchanger is working fine for now. I will just stick with that. Thanks for your help tgm4883
[21:35] <javatexan> so why xfce instead of gnome?
[21:38] <javatexan> just curious
[21:40] <superm1> well at the time it was because gnome is much more heavyweight
[21:40] <superm1> nowadays that proved to be a good decision with how tight pulseaudio is with them
[21:40] <superm1> and with their move to heavy compositing/gnome-shell next year
[21:41] <javatexan> k
[21:59] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi
[22:01] <Redhammer_the_Ol> I had to reinstall eveything the other day (corrute backup) and decided to go with 9.10rc and now I am having trouble with a couple of items: a) shutdown will not work anymore, log says "sudo no tty present and no askpass" as an error message and I have read that I need to ## out the requirement for tty in te sudoers but I cannot seem to find anything in my sudoers file ...
[22:02] <Redhammer_the_Ol> when starting up mythfront end from command line I can see that it cannot connect to the lcd server, the lcd display in my case shows the time but nothing else, any ideas why that is
[22:03] <Redhammer_the_Ol> thirdly has anyone installed 9.10 and then enable the avenard repo and been sucessful
[22:03] <Redhammer_the_Ol> thanks for all your help
[22:33] <foxbuntu> tgm4883, I do, but I would have to look it up, its something like that, 6200dch maybe?
[22:45] <tgm4883> Redhammer_the_Ol, why would you activate the anenard repo on 9.10?
[22:46] <tgm4883> I thought that just enabled VDPAU on 0.21?
[22:48] <Redhammer_the_Ol> at tgm4883: because it gives more audio options
[22:50] <hipitihop> tgm4883: IS VDPAU enabled by default ? or how do I tell if it is being used ?
[22:51] <tgm4883> hipitihop, enabled by default, no. you need to set up a playback profile for it
[22:52] <hads> tgm4883: I think the only thing jya has with 0.22 is the new audio patches
[22:52] <hads> software volume and upmixing etc.
[22:52] <tgm4883> ah ok
[22:53] <Redhammer_the_Ol> and the audio patches help me output to multiple options
[22:53] <Redhammer_the_Ol> anyone have any ideas abou the lcd connection problem and about the sudo no tty present and no askpass ?
[22:53] <hads> Yeah I was hoping that would make it into 0.22, at least 0.23 won't be too far away
[23:03] <hipitihop> tgm4883: so VDPAU is a playback option ... I assume the wiki had doc
[23:30] <hipitihop> what streaming protocols does myth support ? I see mythweb provides ASX which seems ot be a stream and a mpg which is full file download ..
[23:31] <hads> ASX is a wrapper around the actual stream
[23:31] <hads> wget it and take a look
[23:32] <hads> So the streaming it support is just a HTTP stream of the recording from the backend.
[23:36] <hipitihop> hads: what format is the http stream ?
[23:37] <hads> What the recording is.
[23:37] <hads> Actually, maybe it's not.
[23:37] <hads> Yeah I think it is.
[23:38] <hipitihop> I'm just trying to wok out what players understand the stream.... I can use vlc on my desktop but vlc is not available on all platforms/distros
[23:38] <hads> Why not?
[23:40] <hipitihop> not sure .... for example, I have a freerunner phone, running a debian distro but vlc is not available, at least not in the normal feeds, whereas mplayer is there.
[23:40] <hads> Oh that type of platform.
[23:41] <hads> Well yeah, standard recording format I believe.
[23:41] <hipitihop> maybe the question is, can I get mythfront end on to it :-)
[23:43] <hipitihop> ok, how do I disable mythweb security ... those stream links always need userid and password and while vlc handles it correctly, gnome-mplayer and others don't and just fail.