[00:00] <daftykins> hylian: no /dev is mounted to /mnt/dev
[00:00] <BlastRed> Thanks for the help anyway!
[00:00] <daftykins> hylian: sorry but i think you need to back up, sounds like none of this was followed quite correctly.
[00:00] <Jordan_U> daftykins: I actually disagree, as the solutions to any of the hardware problems (that affect the operation of Ubuntu) are specific to Ubuntu.
[00:00] <hylian> daftykins: it is specialty mounted. folders are block bsg bus char, etc.
[00:00] <daftykins> Jordan_U: i'm talking about the physical drive swap part.
[00:00] <daftykins> we just got asked which is the HDD...
[00:01] <daftykins> hylian: sorry i'm giving up, what you just said makes no sense
[00:01] <Bashing-om> BlastRed: I was goofing off .. lemme catch up .
[00:01] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Ahh, yes I missed that. That is indeed for ##hardwre.
[00:02] <hylian> daftykins: it IS mounted to /mnt/dev, as you requested, so I am asking what to do next, ok? (sorry i f I am unclear)\
[00:04] <daftykins> i don't have much confidence in this right now.
[00:04] <hylian> daftykins: please, continue
[00:04] <daftykins> no because all of this is pointless if you did anything earlier wrong
[00:04] <mcornstu> Has anyone had success getting Ubuntu (any version) on a Lenovo 100S?
[00:04] <mcornstu> The 32-bit Baytrail UEFI is killing me
[00:05] <hylian> daftykins: i followed your instructions, everything is mounted, please for the love of god dont leave me hanging now
[00:05] <HackerII> he does things like that.
[00:05] <daftykins> that's a complete lie, HackerII
[00:06] <daftykins> hylian: you can try "update-initramfs -u" but i think you did something wrong.
[00:07] <cblake> How to enforce a certain device driver for a certain sound card ?!
[00:07] <daftykins> blacklist the alternative perhaps
[00:07] <OerHeks> mcornstu, 32 bit uefi ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI  nt sure it can be done
[00:08] <daftykins> mcornstu OerHeks - yeah i remember seeing a workaround on the bug tracker
[00:08] <brack9> What does it mean when an interface in /etc/network/interfaces has the suffix "sX" where X is an integer?
[00:08] <mcornstu> Thanks! This thing is driving me nuts
[00:09] <mcornstu> I can boot into grub, but I am stuck at a grub prompt
[00:09] <daftykins> brack9: so what are you seeing in full?
[00:09] <mcornstu> the installer doesnt fire for e
[00:09] <brack9> daftykins: eth0s1
[00:09] <OerHeks> mcornstu, install in legacy/bios mode
[00:10] <daftykins> hylian: so did you run it or did HackerII run off with you in a PM to give you bad advice...
[00:10] <mcornstu> I dont think the 100s has a legacy bios
[00:10] <mcornstu> pretty sure its straight EFI
[00:11] <daftykins> mcornstu: did you see http://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support ?
[00:11] <hylian> daftykins: update-initramfs -u says "disabled since running on read only media". I have run this command from the normal hd, but
[00:12] <daftykins> hylian: so you mean you're no longer booted into the live session?
[00:12] <hylian> daftykins: no i mean i am, since my usb is read only.
[00:13] <daftykins> you need to be running this command from inside the chroot, so you've done something wrong as i suggested
[00:13] <hylian> daftykins: ok. hmmm
[00:14] <daftykins> the guide i gave you wasn't that great, perhaps you should reboot and start again
[00:16] <Jordan_U> daftykins: It seems that booting from a liveCD/USB then chrooting is a lot of extra work when hylian can apparently easily boot their installed system (by manually mounting /dev/sda1 then exiting the initramfs shell, allowing boot to continue normally).
[00:17] <daftykins> i debated that, but chose not to pursue it that way
[00:17] <daftykins> you're welcome to steer it that way if you fancy, i feel i got lied to in place of being asked for more detailed help so i don't fancy wasting more time
[00:19] <hylian> daftykins: /quit
[00:20] <Jordan_U> mcornstu: Have you already installed Ubuntu or are you still trying to get the installer to boot?
[00:23] <akkad> https://github.com/ion1/workaround-upstart-snafu wow is upstart really this fragile?
[00:25] <OerHeks> akkad, old post, still valid?
[00:25] <akkad> running into it right now :P
[00:26] <caveman> hi - is wubi.exe discontinued? :(
[00:26] <Jordan_U> !wubi | caveman
[00:26] <caveman> Jordan_U, i don't have cd drive...
[00:27] <Glamdring> This is kind of a silly question, but what is radeonsi_dri.so? I tried Googling this, and as usual, my Google fu is awful and isn't telling me much.
[00:27] <OerHeks> cddrive does not take you fas, the isos are too big to fit on cd
[00:27] <OerHeks> fas-far
[00:27] <OerHeks> caveman, use an usb or sdcard
[00:27] <caveman> ok
[00:28] <akkad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/406397 still an issue on lts :[
[00:28] <Guest52742> ola
[00:28] <Jordan_U> caveman: OK, then your options (in order of ease of use) are: USB drive, netboot, install on another machine and transfer the HD over, load from Windows' bootloader via ntldr-image and loop boot Ubuntu's install image from an iso on your ntfs partition using the toram kernel parameter.
[00:29] <v3rt190> hi
[00:30] <caveman> Jordan_U, thank you. i will usb stick it
[00:30] <Jordan_U> akkad: The workaroud you posted should work, as ugly as it is, and to prevent the problem in the future you just have to write your upstart jobs appropriately.
[00:31] <Jordan_U> caveman: You're welcome.
[00:31] <akkad> makes sense.
[00:31] <akkad> fork bomb and hope there is no pid reuse.  (And if it's already been re-used by a process not created by the script, the script will offer to kill that process for you).
[00:34] <mib_mib> hi all, i have a machine with 2x480GB SSDs and 2x960GB SSDs - i want this to be a database server, and am wondering what RAID anyone would recommend here?
[00:35] <akkad> beyond words
[00:37] <Jordan_U> akkad: There's a reason that Ubuntu switched to systemd :) But this channel is for help with support questions, not for complaining about problems (however frustrating they are).
[00:37] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does AppArmor (or whatever it is called) come with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[00:37] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: Yes.
[00:37] <akkad> no complaints
[00:38] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: How do I find it? :/
[00:38] <Glamdring> This is kind of a silly question, but what is radeonsi_dri.so? I tried Googling this, and as usual, my Google fu is awful and isn't telling me much. I ask because one of my Linux-native games won't start, hits a segmentation fault, and this is part of the error.
[00:38] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: I'm not sure what you're expecting to "find". What is your end goal?
[00:38] <OerHeks> sudo apparmor_status
[00:38]  * akkad notes Jordan_U is the sort of retard that leads to this sort of acceptance of horribly thought out code. no wonder it's all going to hell
[00:39] <daftykins> mib_mib: i don't really find that SSD configuration suitable for solely a db server at all o0
[00:39] <daftykins> mib_mib: what kind of db will it be?
[00:39] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: There's no GUI settings I can look at?
[00:40] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: what are you trying to achieve?
[00:41] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I just want to look at it.
[00:41] <daftykins> like you would a painting?
[00:42] <VictoriaXOXO> :P
[00:42] <VictoriaXOXO> Well, I can use gufw to look at my ufw settings. No GAppArmor for AppArmor?
[00:45] <OerHeks> There is no gui for apparmor.
[00:45] <VictoriaXOXO> :(
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Are there any versions of Ubuntu (with a GUI/DE) that fits on a 700MB CD? I don't care about applications other than GParted and Firefox.
[00:58] <daftykins> lubuntu i think
[00:58] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: why not just get the gparted livecd?
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: I need access to sites with Firefox.
[00:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Lubuntu? Hmm.
[00:59] <daftykins> joining the 21st century and picking up a flash drive would also be good; very few still use optical media to boot their live sessions
[00:59] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: out of curiosity, why firefox? is some site built so that it only works in firefox?
[00:59] <OerHeks> lubuntu & server & mini iso.
[00:59] <daftykins> i just picked up a packet of 4 x 8GB USB 2.0 for 8 GBP.
[00:59]  * OerHeks dropped firefox last year
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Mine are all full. ;)
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: No, but what browser does the GParted Live CD use?
[01:00] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: netsurf
[01:00] <daftykins> so get another... i hope none of that is backup data
[01:00] <SirLagz> VictoriaXOXO: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
[01:00] <VictoriaXOXO> SirLagz: Hmm.
[01:01] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: OerHeks: Lubuntu 14.04 will NOT fit.  Nothing even more lightweight than Lubuntu?
[01:02] <daftykins> yes, overburn writes further than it's claimed to hold, my discs actually came up as larger than 700 based on the manufacturer data embedded at the start which my software read
[01:02] <daftykins> smaller image, nothing to do with lightweight
[01:02] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: That's what I meant.
[01:03] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: Why is using a CD a requirement, rather than a USB drive?
[01:03] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: Got lots of CDs, but all my USB sticks are being used.
[01:03] <OerHeks> lubuntu 14.04 32 bit 683M - 64 bit  694M and
[01:04] <daftykins> copy the data off... :P
[01:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Screw it. I'll go with Lubuntu x86.
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: daftykins: WTF?! Lubuntu shows up even BIGGER in Transmission?!
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> I meant Lubuntu x86.
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> Shows up bigger than x64.
[01:05] <daftykins> inappropriate language for here, btw
[01:05] <VictoriaXOXO> WTF = What The Fudge.
[01:05] <daftykins> skip the excuses and just be nice :)
[01:06] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Where did you find Lubuntu 683MB?
[01:06] <isReKT2000> ;)
[01:06] <OerHeks> Megabyte, Megabit, whatever those fools do now, 1 mb = 1000
[01:06] <isReKT2000> bytes
[01:06] <isReKT2000> 1000 bytes
[01:07] <OerHeks> I am not responsible for the confusion, file a bugreport :-P
[01:07] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Just tell me where you found the 683MB version. ;)
[01:07] <VictoriaXOXO> I'll use that one.
[01:07] <OerHeks> 14,04
[01:07] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[01:08] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Where do you see 683MB there? :/
[01:09] <OerHeks> yeah, take an other look, it is there
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: And that is WITH a DE?
[01:09] <OerHeks> ctrl + f: 683
[01:09] <daftykins> the page tells you exactly what the files come with
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: "standard edition"?
[01:09] <VictoriaXOXO> = LXDE?
[01:10]  * daftykins points at the page
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: It doesn't say.
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> :/
[01:10] <OerHeks> 14.04.3 is 716M , should fit too
[01:10] <daftykins> so use your favourite search engine, you can't expect us to cover every single one of your basic queries
[01:10] <VictoriaXOXO> :s
[01:14] <Jordan_U> VictoriaXOXO: It seems like your best options woudl be to use a different distribution (that makes CD sized images) or use a USB drive (you don't need to get rid of any of the existing content on your USB drives to add live Ubuntu to them, as long as they have enough free space).
[01:15] <Simba_> how do i unload ubuntu server from a desktop and use an old server as the server?
[01:15] <OerHeks> Simba_, reinstall ?
[01:16] <VictoriaXOXO> Jordan_U: I found something that'll work. All my USB sticks are fully encrypted and stuffed away.
[01:16] <OerHeks> there is no downgrade
[01:17] <Simba_> Or should i say, where should i go to get this information
[01:18] <daftykins> Simba_: what exactly do you mean by 'unload' ? why not just install the desktop on this server if you want it to run desktop ubuntu?
[01:20] <Simba_> i mean to uninstall ubuntu fro  the desktop, reformat it as it is running windows 7, and use it as a workstation.  does that make sense
[01:21] <daftykins> this desktop is already dual booting 7 + ubuntu?
[01:22] <OerHeks> Simba_, insert your windows cd, repair windows 7, and finally remove non-windows partitions
[01:22] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/133533/how-to-remove-ubuntu-and-put-windows-back-on
[01:23] <Simba_> yes it is running both in tandem, and the problem is swapping from one os to the other
[01:23] <daftykins> as above then :>
[01:25] <Simba_> daftykins, where should i start?
[01:26] <songyq> hello,guys
[01:26] <daftykins> Simba_: creating windows 7 boot media
[01:26] <daftykins> Simba_: you'll need to ask over in ##windows how to restore your bootloader to normal, or look up a guide
[01:27] <Simba_> the problem of reloading windows is that i think, if i am not wrong, that users dont keep, or know where their original program disks are
[01:31] <Simba_> daftykins, and OerHeks, thanks for the help.
[01:33] <tachyondecay> I'm running 14.04 right now, and in the next couple of days I'm getting a shiny new laptop and putting 15.10 on it. I know I can get a list of all my installed packages and use that to quickly download/install stuff onto the new computer, and similarly copy over my config files. But there's a lot of stuff I probably don't need/use. Are there any more nuanced options than all "all or nothing" approach?
[01:33] <Troy^> anyone here use ubuntu on there macbook pros? and what is the battery life like?
[01:34] <nirux> Troy , I use Ubuntu on a laptop if that matters at all.
[01:34] <Troy^> not it's strictly battery life related to the macbook
[01:35] <Jordan_U> Troy^: There are many different models of macbook pro, each with varying hardware and levels of support in drivers available in Ubuntu. I would be highly surprised if anyone else in the channel and awake right now had the same exact hardware as you.
[01:35] <nirux> As Jordan said. I can only tell you of my experience.
[01:35] <nirux> best thing with linux is to try it out and make your own opinion.
[01:35] <Jordan_U> Troy^: You should be able to get a good idea of the battery life from running via LiveUSB before installing.
[01:36] <Troy^> Jordan_U: never thought about that good idea, thanks. :)
[01:36] <daftykins> usually the mac issues are worse than battery life
[01:36] <daftykins> !mac
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Troy^: You're welcome :)
[01:36] <daftykins> Troy^: the above info can be useful if you identify your model, too
[01:37] <nirux> do macs have UEFI?
[01:37] <Jordan_U> nirux: No, they have EFI.
[01:37] <roberto> hey
[01:37] <nirux> Hello.
[01:38] <TheSov2> is there a way to do an include on a hosts file?
[01:40] <Yuken> Just looking on how to make a new .zip file & add files to it from the terminal. WOuld look it up, but my things are being wonky and IRC Is all I can access.
[01:41] <Jordan_U> Yuken: What is your end goal? For archiving files and sharing them with other GNU/Linux users tar.xz files are generally better than .zip files (in both amount of compression and features).
[01:42] <nirux> try doing (zip file.zip foldername)
[01:42] <Yuken> Jordan_U, bringing it on to a Windows PC that can only access .zip. Although, I do not know how to add files to any sort of tar format, as well - that could be handy info.
[01:43] <Jordan_U> Yuken: Generally you don't "add" files to an archive, you simply create archives from directories.
[01:43] <daftykins> plenty of archive managers that handle tar on Windows
[01:43] <nirux>  Do ( tar -cvf name.tar /foldername ) for tar.
[01:43] <nirux> I don't think he has a Windows Partition.
[01:44] <ojal8> hello everyone! while creating a partition table, should I select msdos or gpt?
[01:45] <Yuken> Jordan_U, that is actually what I'm asking, sorry for saying it improperly. Sleeeeeepppyyyyy.
[01:45] <Yuken> nirux, I will check those commands out.  Convert tars to debian packages?
[01:48] <Jordan_U> cdk_: Short answer: No
[01:48] <Ben64> not exactly
[01:49] <nirux> I'm not exactly sure, but i think Ubucompilator does that.
[01:50] <cdk_> ok are they too different in structure?
[01:50] <Jordan_U> cdk_: Longer answer: If you have a source package that uses a standard build system, *and* you have already installed all of the needed build and runtime dependencies, then you can create a *non-standard* *not of high enough quality to distribute* .deb file from said source package using checkinstall.
[01:50] <Jordan_U> cdk_: What is your end goal?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> cdk_: A tar file can contain any structure, and is often used for things other than software.
[01:52] <ojal8> this article seems to be in favor of GPT: http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/
[01:52] <cdk_> i was just curios because the only way i know to install tar balls is through command line and i find it easier to install .deb's because i have the GDebi program and it is as simple as open with gdebi and click install
[01:53] <ojal8> I had plenty of troubles with disk utility lately, and the partitions were MBR. now I'd like to know if GPT is the better choice, and maybe with gparted
[01:53] <daftykins> cdk_: you should be finding packages in repos really, instead of obtaining debs manually - that's unwise.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Use GPT unless you have a compelling reason not to.
[01:53] <cdk_> also why is it that when i right click i have no optoin to open terminal here as root or open folder here as root?
[01:54] <daftykins> ojal8: you never replied
[01:54] <ojal8> Jordan_U, and should I use gparted? can I trust that it wont let down like disk utility did?
[01:54] <ojal8> daftykins, sure I did.
[01:54] <nirux> gparted should be fine.
[01:55] <Jordan_U> ojal8: What problems have you been having specifically? Most "problems" people have with partitioning utilities are either due to user misunderstanding, having used buggy tools in the past, or dying hardware. GPT won't help with most of those problems.
[01:55] <cdk_> daftykins: my deb files are from like nvidia and are all proprietary sodtware directly from the creater or manufacturere of the package/hardware
[01:55] <Troy^> daftykins: btw, that link is way out of date
[01:55] <daftykins> Troy^: what link
[01:56] <ojal8> Jordan_U, my problem couldnt have been cleared yet. I talked about it various times on various platforms. the luks partitions were deleted right after I created them
[01:56] <Troy^> daftykins: mac link
[01:56] <daftykins> Troy^: oh the mac one, no it's a wiki... it contains only versions that someone has written...
[01:56] <daftykins> so it depends on the model.
[01:56] <Troy^> ik but im saying it's out of date lol
[01:56] <daftykins> cdk_: graphics drivers are the #1 that shouldn't be downloaded manually
[01:56] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Have you done a S.M.A.R.T. check of the drive recently?
[01:56] <Troy^> by like 3 years+
[01:57] <cdk_> Jordan_U: thanks for clearing that up for me
[01:57] <daftykins> Troy^: would've made more sense if you said "my model is #,# and only ubuntu release ... is covered"
[01:57] <ojal8> Jordan_U, you mean the HDD (because the affected drives were externally connected, not HDD)
[01:57] <cdk_> daftykins: ok and why is that?
[01:57] <ojal8> =
[01:57] <ojal8> ?
[01:57] <daftykins> cdk_: because manual nvidia installs can break on kernel update; using manually obtained debs shows a misunderstanding of how package management works
[01:57] <ojal8> I presume you mean HDD, as SMART test applies not to external devices, as far as I know
[01:58] <Jordan_U> ojal8: I mean a S.M.A.R.T. check of whatever drive you were having trouble repartitioning.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Some USB enclosures support S.M.A.R.T. pass through.
[01:58] <ojal8> Jordan_U, one of them, yes. I used badblocks and it proved ok
[01:58] <cdk_> daftykins: ok so just use the ones in additoinal drivers?
[01:58] <daftykins> cdk_: depending on release and nvidia card, yeah
[01:59] <ojal8> Jordan_U, but I can tell you that it happened on a brand new drive, too
[01:59] <nirux> irrelevant conversations. What kernel version are you guys running?
[01:59] <ojal8> Jordan_U, partition created, data saved on it, and locked, unplugged. next time plugged in, partition 'unknown'
[01:59] <cdk_> daftykins: why is it that when i right click i have no optoin to open terminal here as root and no optoin to open folder as root?
[01:59] <daftykins> and for software - you should always use in order: 1) what's built into different repos or 2) PPAs you trust; only after that should you 3) obtain debs or worse still... 4) compile
[02:00] <daftykins> cdk_: probably because the OS hasn't been designed to mind-read
[02:00] <daftykins> nirux: why does that matter...
[02:00] <daftykins> we could all be on different distros / releases.
[02:01] <cdk_> daftykins: is there a way to make it have that optoin like something to install or?
[02:02] <Jordan_U> ojal8: Please try to reproduce the problem with GParted, and save the output of "sudo parted -l" at every step (before using GParted, after using Gparted but before disconnecting the drive, again after disconnecting and re-connecting the drive).
[02:02] <ojal8> Jordan_U, but I can only reproduce it with gnome disk utility, because this was the tool that I used while all the problems occured
[02:03] <daftykins> cdk_: well you can run nautilus with gksu/gksudo to have it with root permissions; but i suspect based on the package talk you're planning on doing something inadvisable...
[02:03] <ojal8> Jordan_U, so should I use gnome disk utility again and note every step as you described?
[02:04] <Jordan_U> ojal8: OK, then see if you can reproduce the problem with gnome disk utility again. Also make sure that you're ejecting (rather than just unmounting) the drive before removing it.
[02:04] <cdk_> ok in a terminal the sudo.... works but i wish the open folder as root was available
[02:04] <adrian_1908> hello. Is fglrx compatible with GNOME3? If not, would a manually installed version from AMD's website be?
[02:05] <nirux> It doesn't matter. That's why it's irrelevant conversation.
[02:05] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: fglrx normally works fine with GNOME Shell. What problem are you having specifically?
[02:06] <Jordan_U> nirux: Please keep offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic .
[02:06] <ojal8> Jordan_U, sure. the latter was also symptomatic of some irregularity. because when all partitions were unmounted and locked, and used the disk utility feature 'power off' to remove the drive, the application window closed. and this keeps happening occasionally since.
[02:06] <jwisbell35> Adrian if you are using 15.10 fglrx still doesnt work with the new kernel. Still hasnt been fixed.
[02:06] <nirux> ah, my bad.
[02:06] <ojal8> like it happens when a program crashes
[02:07] <cdk_> daftykins: ok in terminal the sudo.... works but wish i had the optoin for open folder/terminal here as root
[02:07] <adrian_1908> Jordan_U: none, i haven't even tried fglrx yet. For some reason I was convinced the proprietary driver didn't support it (something related to EGL).
[02:07] <ojal8> also another irregularity was that it was taking ages to unmount a partition, in a few times never to happen
[02:07] <daftykins> cdk_: do not run nautilus with sudo.
[02:08] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: You're thinking of Wayland, which is entirely separate.
[02:08] <jwisbell35> It works on 15.04 but on 15.10 you have to downgrade the kernel for it to work.
[02:08] <cdk_> daftykins: ok will not do that but you do understand what i am wanting right?
[02:09] <adrian_1908> Jordan_U: Right, I'm still on Xorg. Glad to hear if that'll work for a while longer.
[02:09] <adrian_1908> jwisbell35: Yes good point.
[02:09] <daftykins> cdk_: yes but wanting root disk access is what's concerning me... when does this come up?
[02:10] <adrian_1908> Is kernel a kernel downgrade fairly trivial? I badly need fglrx for an application that never handled the open source driver well.
[02:10] <jwisbell35> Not too bad. But i would read up on itt alot first.
[02:10] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: Xorg will continue to work for many years to come, fglrx should be supporting Wayland soon, and hopefully when the transition to Wayland by default does happen in the future it will be seamless enough that you don't even notice it if you're not specifically looking for it :)
[02:10] <adrian_1908> sorry for the typos, I'm tired :o
[02:11] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: You don't need to downgrade your kernel.
[02:12] <cdk_> when i want to open a folder as root because i want to modify a doc or config file or syst file but need root acess
[02:12] <scott_11> Jordan_U: what is the best way to run fglrx on 15.10?
[02:13] <cdk_> daftykins:    when i want to open a folder as root because i want to modify a doc or config file or syst file but need root access
[02:14] <Jordan_U> adrian_1908: scott_11: Looking into it more, there does indeed seem to be an issue with fglrx and Ubuntu 15.10 that I wasn't aware of.
[02:14] <jwisbell35> :)
[02:15] <Ben64> cdk_: you shouldn't need to edit system files very often. when you do, use sudo
[02:16] <jwisbell35> Jordan: Its not an actual kernel issue but something with the newer gcc I think. But downgrading pulls in the correct compilers for it.
[02:16] <daftykins> Ben64: the problem is the desire to do so graphically i think
[02:16] <cdk_> Ben64::  kk i just prefer the quicker and shorter way
[02:16] <daftykins> cdk_: something wrong with using the terminal and text editors?
[02:17] <cdk_> daftykins:: no.........  i just prefer the quicker and shorter way
[02:17] <daftykins> k
[02:17] <Ben64> how is anything quicker and shorter than "sudo nano file"
[02:18] <jwisbell35> I sudo abiword filename everything through terminal. Not a fan of nano.
[02:18] <daftykins> jwisbell35: using GUI apps with sudo is a very bad idea
[02:19] <jwisbell35> I know but been doing it forever. Habit.
[02:19] <Ben64> 'gksu gedit file' if you like gui, still easy
[02:20] <cdk_> Ben64: daftykins: thank you both for your exemplary help
[02:20] <cdk_> gottogo.....>>><>
[02:21] <jwisbell35> Ben: Whats the difference between gksu and sudo? Opens the same either way.
[02:22] <Ben64> you said you know running gui stuff with sudo is bad, running gui stuff with gksu is the right way to do it
[02:22] <daftykins> jwisbell35: defending something with 'i always did it' = not very wise :(
[02:22] <jwisbell35> :)
[02:23] <jwisbell35> Ahh prevents files in the home directory from being owned by root.
[02:24] <tachyondecay> I'm getting a new computer and putting 15.10 on it. Currently running 14.04 on this computer. Aside from copying _everything_ or manually figuring out what I want, are there any more nuanced options to setting up my new computer?
[02:24] <Ben64> tachyondecay: depends what you want
[02:25] <Jordan_U> tachyondecay: None that I can think of.
[02:25] <tachyondecay> I feel like I'd prefer to start "from scratch" because I have many packages installed I don't really need/use any more.
[02:26] <tachyondecay> So that's what I'll probably do. I was just wondering if there were tools or tips for streamlining that.
[02:28] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: Consider writing down the procedure and the steps you took (and possible pitfalls). This way you'll be faster the next time you "start over".
[02:30] <tachyondecay> Sound advice
[02:31] <TJ-> tachyondecay: if you're starting from scratch, but want to copy over the existing user $HOME, I'd recommend also creating a new, fresh, user account as the primary account and only copying into it your Documents. Keep all the config files/diretories under the old $HOME separate (the .dotfiles and .dotdirs) and only copy settings over when you realise you need them.
[02:31] <tachyondecay> Also I've progressively stepped down from Unity to LXDE as software has outpaced my 8-year-old laptop
[02:31] <tachyondecay> So I kind of want to start fresh on the config end in most cases, since I feel like those settings are all messed up
[02:32] <tachyondecay> Yeah, that's what I was thinking of doing, TJ-.
[02:33] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: You're happy with LXDE, yes? Otherwise I'd recommend XFCE; it struck me as more polished than the former and still fairly lightweight.
[02:33] <tachyondecay> Well I'm going to give stock Ubuntu 15.10 a try
[02:33] <tachyondecay> I'm not so much "happy" with LXDE as "my system is not slow as balls" on it :P
[02:34] <adrian_1908> tachyondecay: I see :P
[02:34] <friedbac> We wouldn't have this problem with terrorist if all internet was govt controlled like the mail
[02:34] <TJ-> most of the time the DE eye-candy requiring 3D acceleration is irrelevant. fine if you want to stare at a work of art but pointless for getting work done
[02:35] <tachyondecay> LXDE is serviceable, but not quite as slick. I didn't like Unity a great deal, but I feel like a lot of that was because it would chug doing simple things like opening up the menu.
[02:35] <tachyondecay> I'll give the defaults a shot, because I have just never had the hardware needed to run them properly. And then I'll try GNOME3 or XCFE or something if I want a change.
[02:36] <tachyondecay> I've used KDE in the past too and enjoyed it. And still use a bunch of KDE programs; I'm in Konversation right now. :D
[02:36] <friedbac> TJ-: true but improves user experience. Sometimes smoothness is better than speed
[02:37] <tachyondecay> My priority is a good launcher, because I prefer using the keyboard. My desktop has no shortcuts on it.
[02:37] <friedbac> I think unity and kde has gone over the top.
[02:37] <adrian_1908> I'm on GNOME3 right now for my Desktop and I'm highly impressed how well integrated it is, it looks and behaves so slick, not very Linux like if I may say.
[02:37] <daftykins> you folks discussion is most suited to #ubuntu-offtopic ; support only in here.
[02:38] <HackerII> uumate 15.01 is killer fast and pretty cool
[02:38] <adrian_1908> daftykins: ya fair enough!
[02:38] <friedbac> But it's cool they develop neat stuff TJ- daftykins was I talking to u
[02:39] <friedbac> Some people can't mind their own business
[02:39] <daftykins> friedbac: no idea what your sentence means
[02:39] <daftykins> the channel has rules - follow them :)
[02:40] <TJ-> friedbac: I've experienced the opposite; Unity actively destroyed my workflow and user experience. Unitiy's specific bug for me is no appreciation of larger workspaces - 6 large monitors and 3 GPUs here.
[02:42] <ojal8> Jordan_U, I reproduced the process.
[02:43] <ojal8> Jordan_U, maybe with a difference.
[02:43] <ojal8> I haven't saved data on them because it would take a long time
[02:44] <ojal8> oh, did Jordan_U leave?
[02:45] <Glamdring> Can somebody here please help me figure out what is radeonsi_dri.so?
[02:45] <Glamdring> I feel very silly not knowing.
[02:48] <TJ-> Glamdring: it is part of libgl1-mesa-dri:
[02:48] <TJ-> !info libgl1-mesa-dri
[02:49] <Glamdring> Thank you, TJ- !
[02:51] <Glamdring> Hrm. So I have it installed, but my game fails to load it. How does one test if it otherwise works?
[02:52] <TJ-> Glamdring: "glxinfo" from the mesa tools should help check the OpenGL setup
[02:52] <Glamdring> Excellent, thank you.
[02:52] <TJ-> !info mesa-utils | Glamdring
[03:01] <Glamdring> Strange game. The only way to win is not to play.
[03:03] <OerHeks> sure
[03:07] <SubCool> Could someone please assist me with my dropbox, i know its stupid. but its fucking up something bad.
[03:07] <SubCool> someone told me to make sure to do a proper cleanup on the files, so i did.
[03:07] <SubCool> but im a bit lost on some stuff.
[03:07] <Glamdring> So if glxinfo says I've got direct rendering, and glxgears is pretty and doesn't explode, why would my game throw this error: libGL error: unable to load driver: radeonsi_dri.so
[03:08] <OerHeks> SubCool, there is something you said, that activates my swearfilter
[03:08] <danmulvey> is there anyreason that i should or shouldnt use apt-get autoremove when it says i have things that are no longer needed?
[03:08] <SubCool> If i follow the package install, it doesnt work for me. and never loads dropbox. Last time ihad an issue with this, i got the headless version( the station is headless, and remote) - and we got it going. But- it stopped working again.
[03:08] <SubCool> SO im back to square one.
[03:09] <OerHeks> danmulvey, autoremove is safe
[03:10] <danmulvey> OerHeks: cool thanks, i just wasnt sure if i should somehow double check the packages it lists before i autoremove them and also if theres any reason id specifically want to remove them aside from just freeing up space
[03:13] <SubCool> Ok, i got to where i was last time i think. WOuld someone mind following me along for a min?
[03:13] <SubCool> at this link.. \
[03:13] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[03:14] <TJ-> Glamdring: run the game under control of strace, generate a log, check it after it throws the error. Something like "strace -o /tmp/game.log -f -e trace=file <game arg1 arg2>"
[03:14] <SubCool> there is a link to download the python script. Now last time i did this, i dont remember where i put it- i think i had to put into like /bin/local
[03:14] <SubCool> OMG !! TJ!!!!
[03:14] <SubCool> TJ-, you busy? **batts eyes**
[03:14] <Glamdring> Oh my. Okay, I'll try to do that.
[03:15] <Glamdring> The <game arg1 arg2>, I assume there's generally no required arguments, and so those are just there in case I would need them, not because there are some I need of which I'm unaware?
[03:16] <OerHeks> arg1 arg2 are options, leave it blanc if you don't use them.
[03:16] <Glamdring> Keen, thanks.
[03:17] <TJ-> SubCool: I am yes, just popping in and out
[03:18] <Glamdring> Oh, that's interesting, I hadn't seen that error before...
[03:18] <Glamdring> Frustrating and mildly preposterous, every single error I look up from this game references Steam. My copy is through GOG.
[03:18] <SubCool> TJ ok. thas cool. Have fun man. Havent talked to you in forever.
[03:19] <Glamdring> I should clarify, in fact. These are errors Steam seems to throw around, even without this game.
[03:20] <OerHeks> Steam wants the closed source ati drivers, no?
[03:21] <Glamdring> Perhaps so. Thankfully not my problem.
[03:21] <TJ-> Glamdring: ahhhh. Steam. Yes. Bad. Puppy. Nasty things it does.
[03:21] <Glamdring> Not a big fan of signing away my right to class action lawsuits, so I avoid it.
[03:23] <Glamdring> Okay. So it looks like the log says there's basically a world of "No such file or directory".
[03:23] <Glamdring> Which is odd.
[03:24] <TJ-> We had a user here last week with something very similar, and we traced it down to the way the steam scripts do stuff. It ended up being a corrupt (0 length) file installed by steam in $HOME/.steam.
[03:25] <AkaliBot> hi. when it ry to do apt-get update or use the software update center, i get 404s, ie, Err http://archive.ubuntu.com utopic/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com utopic/main
[03:25] <TJ-> Glamdring: the fix was to move the existing $HOME/.steam directory to a back-up name and let it be re-installed.
[03:25] <Glamdring> Sheesh. Granted, this isn't Steam, but it could well be much the same.
[03:25] <TJ-> AkaliBot: what release of Ubuntu "cat /etc/issue" ?
[03:25] <AkaliBot> all google results say to run apt-get update to refresh sources list, but that error happens when doing that
[03:25] <OerHeks> utopic .. is EOL
[03:26] <OerHeks> !14.04
[03:26] <AkaliBot> 10.10
[03:26] <AkaliBot> 14.19*
[03:26] <AkaliBot> goodness. 14.10
[03:26] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | AkaliBot
[03:26] <OerHeks> akalibot, upgrade please
[03:26] <AkaliBot> thank you all
[03:31] <Glamdring> Oddly, I've not seen anybody else describing the same problem. Maybe there aren't a lot of Linux users trying to run Tower Of Guns.
[03:31] <Glamdring> Or, of course, maybe my problem is unique.
[03:33] <Ghost_r00t> hi
[03:33] <Ghost_r00t> What is the kernel version on ubuntu 15.04?
[03:33] <SubCool> ok. how do i get this to work.
[03:34] <SubCool> i have less than 15 days to make this work and backup my dropbox.
[03:34] <OerHeks> Ghost_r00t, current 64 bit is 3.19.0-33-generic
[03:34] <SubCool> ive been at this for a month.
[03:34] <K3y804rDCow80Y> Hi guys
[03:35] <K3y804rDCow80Y> trying to hack my wifi but following the steps i've seen on youtube, in my terminal i run into several errors. Was wondering if anyone has any suggestions
[03:36] <OerHeks> hacking wifi is beyond the scope of this channel, k3
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> WTF?
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> Jk
[03:36] <K3y804rDCow80Y> okay arigato
[03:37] <TJ-> hacking is fine; cracking is out-of-bounds
[03:37] <TJ-> !hacking
[03:38] <K3y804rDCow80Y> another off the topic question what is the name of the website that you use to upload like a copy of your terminal?
[03:38] <macer_> what are you trying to do with your wifi? and what tool are you trying to use?
[03:38] <OerHeks> imgur.com or paste.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <macer_> pastbin
[03:38] <SubCool> ok- i just did something stupid. and i dont know how to undo it
[03:38] <K3y804rDCow80Y> that's it thanks @macer
[03:38] <TJ-> !paste | K3y804rDCow80Y
[03:39] <SubCool> i had a something named Dropbox, so i moved it to ~/bin - now its gone
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> thank you @ubottu
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> i tried using reaver?
[03:39] <K3y804rDCow80Y> it that only for Kali...
[03:39] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, no- there are a ton of videos on how to use that stuff, but there is a lot of mixing and matching.
[03:40] <SubCool> knowing the surrounding of it and hack the hacking tools helps.
[03:40] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, most of all, make sure ur nic card can do the work.
[03:40] <OerHeks> don't get hackedwith kali, lolz
[03:41] <macer_> do you have your wireless card in monitor mode?
[03:41] <cwong> hi
[03:41] <K3y804rDCow80Y> well Kali just makes it easier since it has like all the tools already installed. I tried using Kali, but man o man did I have the hardest time trying to get used to it.
[03:41] <SubCool> i tried using mine on ubuntu - its easier just to use it on kali, or-- the one previous to it.
[03:42] <macer_> I prefer nodezero
[03:42] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, yeah, its snot. but works. im about to get back into it again once i finish fixing this stupid stuff that should just work. but never does.
[03:43] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool I will try to go back through the steps I tried following from this one video and i will pastebin the error message i get.
[03:44] <macer_> essentially you need to get the bssid - did you get that?
[03:44] <K3y804rDCow80Y> macer that was were i got stuck
[03:45] <OerHeks> guys, hacking wifi is beyond the scope of this channel
[03:45] <K3y804rDCow80Y> trying to find the video now.
[03:45] <OerHeks> move it to an other channel, thanks.
[03:45] <cryptz> can anyone suggest further troubleshooting i can do for a mdadm array that will not assemble at boot. i can assemble it manually without issue. dmesg shows no claim of an attempt to assemble the array. i feel as if i am missing some configuration to tell it to rebuild the array. /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf exists, but i dont think anything is trying to do the assembly at all.
[03:46] <cryptz> its ubuntu 15.10 booting in an efi env, the md array is not my boot device though
[03:46] <K3y804rDCow80Y> what would be another channel to get help on this with?
[03:47] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i seriously referred to like 10 videos, and threw it all together. But- then my hardware was semi useless. I got done testing wep, but needed wpa. and.. that was a whole nother mess of issues.
[03:47] <Ghost_r00t> which version of ubuntu .iso uses 3.14 kernel. as there is a bug on nvidia video card from 3.15 on going till now
[03:47] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, kali has channels, there are a ton of channels.
[03:47] <Ghost_r00t> I mean nouveau
[03:47] <K3y804rDCow80Y> man those guys over there hate on ubuntu users that's why i came here LOL
[03:47] <macer_> @cryptz do you see the /de/md* device?
[03:48] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, its best to figure it out urself. THats kinda why it setup like that, and not just automatic. Understand the steps, and how to tweak it. My friend an i started making a script, but then he moved away.
[03:48] <cryptz> only if i assemble it, mdadm --assemble --scan presents the md0 device without issue, but only if i do it manually
[03:48] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, oh yea- gotta lvoe the love. -_-
[03:48] <gshmu> I want view rtf file, I'm try  Abiword, but some better?
[03:48] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool i see. X)
[03:49] <SubCool> i get the same thing when i wonder around. or goto freenas for help. THey flame u for not having intel. Its rediculous. THats why i come here al ot, the guys here are usually very helpful.
[03:49] <SubCool> if they help **cough cough**
[03:49] <macer_> did you do mdadm --assemble --scan   ?
[03:49] <gshmu> and outlook auto index user, but thunderbird I can't config the LDAP?  any help
[03:49] <cryptz> @macer yes, if i run that command manually it works fine
[03:50] <JesseH> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu 15.04 on a mac, but the wifi isn't working. Can someone help?
[03:50] <cryptz> my boot process simply does not make the attempt to mount it from my view
[03:50] <JesseH> I have no idea where to begin with the issue, besides some things I found in the forums.
[03:50] <cryptz> if i dmesg | grep md    the only hits are statements that raid personalities 0-10 loaded
[03:51] <cryptz> no errors
[03:51] <JesseH> (installed some things, had to manually do that)
[03:51] <JesseH> I'm seeing modprobe solutions but I don't know how to use that command.
[03:51] <SubCool> Ugh- great. and now the pages i use to refer to went down. My night.
[03:52] <cryptz> @macer i am thinking that since i am not booting from a md array maybe the boot process is overlooking its existance
[03:53] <cryptz> i am just not sure where i would tell it to load mdadm and perform a scan
[03:53] <macer_> @cryptz did you check your fstab and is thit there?
[03:54] <cryptz> i didnt put it in fstab yet, and maybe this is my confusion, but my very first attempt caused the system to not boot. basically i couldnt mount /dev/md0 to /mymountpoint in fstab because /dev/md0 fails to exist at boot. this caused the system to hang during boot and i had to go into recovery mode and remove the fstab line to make the system stable again
[03:54] <whologin> sup niggas
[03:55] <whologin> oops wrong room
[03:55] <JesseH> Not to inconvenience anyone, but does anyone have any idea about my problem
[03:55] <cryptz> so maybe my thinking that /dev/md0 should exist without a fstab entry is incorrect, but i would assume the 2 are seperate esp since fstab seems to be highly relying on /dev/md0 existing
[03:55] <macer_> definitely will need it in fstab and mtab
[03:55] <TJ-> cryptz: what metadata version does the array use?
[03:55] <cryptz> 1.2
[03:56] <TJ-> cryptz: udevd should fire off the mdadm rule to assemble the array
[03:56] <cryptz> it is 3 devices, /dev/rssda1 /dev/rssdb1 /dev/rssdc1
[03:56] <TJ-> cryptz: it has nothing to do with fstab entries
[03:56] <cryptz> ok tj
[03:56] <cryptz> is that automated
[03:56] <cryptz> or should i be doing something to facilitate that
[03:57] <SubCool> is there usually a bin folder in the home directory?
[03:57] <TJ-> cryptz: during boot, as block devices are discovered, their metadata is checked and if recognised the correct tool is/should be launched
[03:57] <JesseH> Can someone help me get wifi working on a mac laptop that I'm trying to get lubuntu 15.04 installed on?
[03:57] <TJ-> SubCool: no, but if you create $HOME/bin it will be added to the $PATH at log-in
[03:57] <cryptz> so tj i created paritions on these devics and marked them of type fd that is why you see the /dev/rssda1 for example
[03:57] <TJ-> cryptz: which Ubuntu release is it?
[03:57] <cryptz> 15.10
[03:58] <cryptz> server
[03:58] <cryptz> its efi boot as well and the devices in question are pciessds so a bit from the norm however there is a guide from the manufacturer for this very purpose
[03:58] <cryptz> so it should be doable
[03:58] <SubCool> TJ-,  so what im looking at is a link to /bin
[03:58] <TJ-> cryptz: partition type has no bearing on it, that value is not used by anything other than the partiting tool to let the user indicate to other users what the purpose of the partition might be
[03:58] <SubCool> oh wow- i removed dropbox compelted, and it disappeared.
[03:59] <TJ-> SubCool: $HOME/bin should be a directory owned by the user
[03:59] <SubCool> im definitly doing something wrong.
[03:59] <cryptz> i had read that when the device is scanned if it detects a fd partition type it might kick it over to mdadm without the superblock intact, or something to that effect, but the superblock is intact and the array does assemble correctly when i manually invoke it
[03:59] <cryptz> where /what should i be looking for ini udevd
[03:59] <SubCool> no- nvm. im an idiot- its still there
[03:59] <SubCool> omg- i know what it is
[04:00] <SubCool> wtf!?
[04:00] <SubCool> - /bin is my dropbox folder..
[04:00] <TJ-> cryptz: this is why I asked which metadata version since that is what is scanned for. Now, v1.2 is stored 4KB from the start of the block device. "blkid /dev/rs*" might help confirm that metadata is being recognised
[04:00] <SubCool> ok- now i really need help.
[04:01] <SubCool> THis is way beyong me now. Ok. SO- after the install, i tried to move the Dropbox.py to /bin - with mv. WHen i did that, i mv'd /Dropbox to /bin
[04:02] <sector_0> can someone tell me why pulseaudio keep stopping?
[04:02] <JesseH> If someone could be of assistance with my issue, I'd greatly appreciate it.
[04:02] <Glamdring> So, what's PhysXUpdateLoader.so? Or, if you want to teach a man to fish, how do I figure that out?
[04:03] <TJ-> !find PhysXUpdateLoader.so
[04:03] <Glamdring> Huh. That's interesting.
[04:03] <sector_0> sometimes I'm just using my computer (listening to music) and I pause the music for a min and when I attempt to un-pause it, it just doesn't
[04:03] <sector_0> youtube videos, etc don't work either
[04:03] <SubCool> SO- now /Dropbox is /bin
[04:03] <cryptz> tj bear with me, i do see an issue but i know this is not the original problem. i had this issue last night, today i was using zfs on the devices. so at the moment the /dev/rssda parttion has a zfs type and /dev/rssda1 has a linux raid member type. i had previously secure erased the drives on my initial attempts. let me correct this but i do not believe this could be the solution since i didnt
[04:03] <cryptz> have zfs on these drives on the first go around..
[04:03] <TJ-> Glamdring: that's something specific to the application/game I think
[04:03] <Glamdring> And it, too, is apparently missing.
[04:03] <sector_0> If I restart however the sound come back until it stops randomly again
[04:04] <SubCool> when i tried to rename it back  rename bin DropBox
[04:04] <SubCool> Bareword "bin" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[04:04] <sector_0> also if I log out and log back in that fixes it
[04:04] <JesseH> How do I get wireless working on a macbook pro that's running Lubuntu 15.05?
[04:04] <JesseH> 15.04*
[04:04] <Glamdring> Though Google comes up with references to it through Antichamber, either Humble Bundle version or Steam.
[04:04] <Glamdring> So, specific as it may be, at least it's not unique.
[04:04] <TJ-> cryptz: Ahhh, if the metadata of the outer container is being recognised as ZFS that could short-circuit the discovery of the MD RAID
[04:04] <sector_0> "pulseaudio -k" then "pulseaudio -D" doesn't work
[04:04] <SubCool> JesseH, wish i cuold help, but u got me. I cant even get a hackintosh to work :(
[04:04] <cryptz> makes sense but unfortunately i know that wasnt the case when i initially tried
[04:04] <sector_0> it tells me the daemon can't start
[04:05] <sector_0> I'm using ubuntu 14.04
[04:05] <OerHeks> JesseH, open terminal: lspci # and find your bcm wifi chipset, then use the bcm manual
[04:05] <OerHeks> !bcm
[04:06] <JesseH> Thanks OEP_
[04:06] <JesseH> OerHeks:***
[04:06] <SubCool> ok- i "mv"d it back. -- im soo scared.
[04:06] <Agent_Isai> Hi, when I tried installing Ubuntu 14.04.3 with Wubi and I got this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PVhdt8gU/Screenshot_2015-11-17-22-05-04-1.png
[04:07] <SubCool> Ok... PLEASE SOMEONE TAKE 5 mins!?
[04:09] <rypervenche> SubCool: What's up?
[04:09] <SubCool> Thank you.
[04:09] <shahrukh> hey guys
[04:09] <SubCool> just trying to get dropbox working. I use to work, and... idk what happen. - SO removed it all, reinstalled it a few times. and now im back to the same point
[04:09] <SubCool> technically amost done.
[04:10] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[04:10] <cryptz> tj i am secure erasing these drives and recreating the md0 array. based on your previous comments should i forgo the /dev/rssd*1 fd partitioning and just use the device
[04:10] <SubCool> IM at the bottom when you download the python script. Last time i had this working, someone help me put that the script someplace nice to run it- and make it excuteable.
[04:11] <SubCool> because of its self destruction, i had to remove everything.
[04:11] <rypervenche> SubCool: Just calm down, we can help.
[04:11] <deletemeplease> ubuntu!
[04:11] <deletemeplease> Is ubuntu supporting Wayland yet or are they still trying to work on their POS mir?
[04:12] <OerHeks> ubuntu goes for MIR, a fork of wayland
[04:12] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, why?!
[04:13] <deletemeplease> mir is a mess.
[04:13] <deletemeplease> Every tech demo of it that I've seen has been a complete disaster.
[04:13] <rypervenche> SubCool: Are you using the deb package/
[04:13] <OerHeks> LoLz, mir is in development, so calling it  a mess.. how about wayland?
[04:13] <SubCool> rypervenche, should i move dropbox.py someplace like i did before? i know im suppsoed to link it so i can use it.
[04:13] <SubCool> rypervenche, no- im using the headless version.
[04:13] <SubCool> my machine is headless at home. Im half a country away.
[04:14] <SubCool> i really wanna upgrade from 12 to 14lts, but im afraid ill br prompted for something i cant do- so later on im going to dl a model and test it.
[04:14] <Agent_Isai> I see that in the install log: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9MkSKZNp/
[04:14] <K3y804rDCow80Y> this chat room doesn't have direct PM does it?
[04:14] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, it does, but be careful
[04:14] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, the difference is Wayland has a working compositor....
[04:14] <deletemeplease> Weston
[04:14] <deletemeplease> mir is a trainwreck
[04:14] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, what client r u using.
[04:15] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, so Unity is being ported to mir instead of wayland?
[04:15] <K3y804rDCow80Y> client? SubCool
[04:15] <SubCool> Im using Hexchat as a IRC client.
[04:15] <cryptz> @TJ blkid shows 318ea69d-0c43-85a7-c2f7-b83dfe364775 mdadm.conf shows UUID=318ea69d:0c4385a7:c2f7b83d:fe364775 could it be as simple as the - <> the :
[04:15] <deletemeplease> sucwhat are you trying to do?
[04:15] <SubCool> a lot of people use some browser based one.
[04:15] <deletemeplease> SubCool*
[04:16] <K3y804rDCow80Y> not sure link at the top says webchat.freenode.net
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, I'm under Lubuntu and the majority of my Linux experience is with debian but I could probably help
[04:16] <SubCool> deletemeplease, finish installation of dropbox on a headless machine.
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, oh.
[04:16] <deletemeplease> SubCool, any errors?
[04:16] <SubCool> deletemeplease, im sure u can, its really simple.
[04:16] <SubCool> no- just inability to use it
[04:16] <SubCool> I just rarely use linux, so i forget commands and locations and stupid stuff until i drive in again.
[04:16] <SubCool> https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx
[04:17] <SubCool> if u goto the bottom, im at the last paragraph,
[04:17] <SubCool> just trying to make the dropbox.py executeable, place it in the right folder, and make this damn program do its job.
[04:17] <rypervenche> SubCool: Calmn down there. You shouldn't need to make it executable even.
[04:18] <deletemeplease> SubCool, I'm going to write you a command to run
[04:18] <SubCool> make it +x is from http://www.dropboxwiki.com/tips-and-tricks/using-the-official-dropbox-command-line-interface-cli
[04:18] <deletemeplease> SubCool, but first tell me if typing nc into terminal causes an error or not
[04:18] <rypervenche> SubCool: If you are using the headless one, why are you using a python script?
[04:18] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool can you take a look------> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324375/
[04:18] <SubCool> rypervenche, i have to with headless. dont i?
[04:19] <deletemeplease> K3y804rDCow80Y, are you trying to get help or give help?
[04:19] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, you never setup mon0 properly
[04:19] <Nautilus_> I did a server upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 and it replaced my sudoers file, I don't remember how to regain permission to edit it. My root account is disabled.
[04:19] <K3y804rDCow80Y> get help
[04:19] <TJ-> cryptz: - vs : , no, the tools just use different human-friendly group separators
[04:19] <SubCool> deletemeplease, im helping him a bit.
[04:19] <deletemeplease> ah
[04:20] <deletemeplease> SubCool, do you know if Dropbox is spitting out any errors when you try and run the script
[04:20] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i had that same issue for a while. U didnt setup mon0 correctly to the interface. Usually happened to me when i didnt disable the interface before setting up the mon0
[04:20] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool or deletemeplease any suggestion on how to get that mon0 setup?
[04:20] <SubCool> deletemeplease, not really.
[04:20] <deletemeplease> K3rvyN, I haven't read your problems
[04:21] <cryptz> @Tj yes, i see i found an explanation that they should be different
[04:21] <deletemeplease> K3y804rDCow80Y, describe them to me in a PM if you want and I'll see what I can assist with
[04:21] <cryptz> at this point blkid reports the ids as expected for all 3 devices
[04:21] <cryptz> i am going to try to update-initramfs -u and reboot unless ther eis something with udevd i can check
[04:21] <SubCool> deletemeplease, when its actually running normally- or lack there of. I will try to initiate dropbox, but it doesnt. ONce we get to the point- if it does it again, i can show u the error. It basically show the dropbox prompting in cli, but no matter what i do, it never gets dropboxd running.
[04:22] <K3y804rDCow80Y> deletemeplease how can i PM?
[04:22] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, not in the manor- Thats really procedure you have to walk through.
[04:22] <deletemeplease> K3rvyN, /msg deletemeplease
[04:22] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, /msg name
[04:22] <deletemeplease> SubCool, for future reference I suggest you run this command
[04:23] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, reboot the pc, start from the beginning your missing some step or some step isnt being processed properly- its been 2 years since i used it... soooo..
[04:23] <deletemeplease> echo 'alias termbin="nc termbin.com 9999"' >> ~/.bashrc
[04:23] <SubCool> deletemeplease, k-
[04:23] <deletemeplease> SubCool, run that exactly
[04:23] <K3y804rDCow80Y> SubCool that's so notcool LOL
[04:23] <deletemeplease> in the future if you need to pastebin something like a log use cat <log> | termbin
[04:24] <SubCool> deletemeplease, ran it
[04:24] <deletemeplease> it'll spit a URl out into your terminal linking right to the paste
[04:24] <deletemeplease> SubCool, try it out
[04:24] <deletemeplease> SubCool, tail dmesg | termbin
[04:24] <SubCool> K3y804rDCow80Y, i spent weeks on it... until i teamed up with my friend who knows less, he found a great walk through which gave me the steps i missed.
[04:24] <deletemeplease> and give me the link
[04:25] <SubCool> deletemeplease,  tail dmesg | termbin
[04:25] <SubCool> tail: cannot open `dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
[04:25] <SubCool> termbin: command not found
[04:25] <SubCool> sudo?
[04:25] <deletemeplease> SubCool, type bash
[04:25] <somsip> SubCool: dmesg shows the output, you'd need to tail -f /var/log/syslog
[04:26] <deletemeplease> somazero, I just tail dmesg all the time
[04:26] <deletemeplease> works for me.
[04:26] <deletemeplease> That's just me ✔
[04:26] <SubCool> usually works for me too- :/
[04:26] <deletemeplease> SubCool, in terminal type bash
[04:26] <deletemeplease> :p
[04:26] <SubCool> dmesg worked- - ok
[04:27] <SubCool> it went ot he next line.
[04:27] <deletemeplease> SubCool, once you type bash, do that command again
[04:27] <SubCool> same error.
[04:27] <OerHeks> termbin <> termbin.com
[04:27] <deletemeplease> SubCool, restart your terminal emulator
[04:27] <Nautilus_> I've disabled login for root and am wondering if there's a way for me to change to root after I've logged in as a user?
[04:27] <SubCool> ok
[04:27] <somsip> !sudo | Nautilus_
[04:28] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, "disabled login for root" ??
[04:28] <deletemeplease> SubCool, type termbin in your termal
[04:28] <deletemeplease> terminal*
[04:28] <Nautilus_> somsip: I need to edit my sudoers file to regain sudo power
[04:28] <Nautilus_> OerHeks: As I recall, yes I did (it was a while back)
[04:28] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, ubuntu has no root acccount.
[04:28] <somsip> Nautilus_: you need sudo to do that. So, looks lke you need to go into recovery mode
[04:28] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, it does
[04:29] <deletemeplease> it might be disabled.
[04:29] <SubCool> deletemeplease, still didnt work, but i did what the other person said.. and i got results.. paste it?
[04:29] <Nautilus_> ok, what would I do in recovery mode?
[04:29] <deletemeplease> SubCool, tell me what termbin does
[04:29] <somsip> Nautilus_: edit your sudoers file (correctly)
[04:29] <OerHeks> deletemeplease, no it does not, help subcool with his typos please.
[04:29] <SubCool> OerHeks, lol....
[04:29] <deletemeplease> OerHeks, All linux machines have UID 0 (root)
[04:30] <SubCool> says use netcat
[04:30] <Nautilus_> somsip: it won't let me run shutdown w/o sudo power... is there an alternate way?
[04:30] <deletemeplease> SubCool, ok
[04:30] <deletemeplease> tail -f  dmesg | termbin
[04:30] <somsip> Nautilus_: what version of ubuntu and what is this - sounds like you're SSHing into a server?
[04:31] <OerHeks> Nautilus_, boot in recovery mode, and fix it there
[04:31] <Nautilus_> yes, ssh into 14.04. It was 12.04 and I ran an upgrade, it over-wrote my sudoers file
[04:31] <cryptz> @tj, after reboot no md0 device, cat /proc/mdstat doesnt show it. dmesg | grep for either md0 or any of my rssa devies turns up nothing dmesg | grep md: shows entries but not errors. the entries are basically an acknowledgemnt of support for the various raid types
[04:31] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, you locked yourself out of sudo I presume.
[04:31] <somsip> Nautilus_: local box or server?
[04:31] <Nautilus_> its a vps
[04:31] <OerHeks> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[04:31] <SubCool> deletemeplease, same error
[04:31] <somsip> Nautilus_: sounds like you killed it. Contact your VPS provider
[04:31] <deletemeplease> SubCool, paste it
[04:32] <TJ-> cryptz: are the underlying devices there?
[04:32] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, so you're locked out of the sudo command
[04:32] <cryptz> yes
[04:32] <cryptz> i can reassemble the array manualyl with mdadm -As right now
[04:32] <Nautilus_> I could reimage and redo my vhost and hosts files, that's all I can do?
[04:32] <SubCool> deletemeplease, tail: cannot open `dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
[04:32] <SubCool> Use netcat.
[04:32] <cryptz> i do not beleive boot is trying to assemble at all.
[04:32] <TJ-> cryptz: can you "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[04:32] <SubCool> deletemeplease, should i use sudo?
[04:32] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: yes
[04:32] <deletemeplease> SubCool, weird
[04:32] <somsip> Nautilus_: if you can rebuild from an image created prior to when you removed sudio rights, yes
[04:32] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, This is the HIGHLY INSECURE
[04:32] <deletemeplease> way of fixing it
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, Are you in recovery mode?
[04:33] <SubCool> deletemeplease, welcome to my world.
[04:33] <cryptz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324491/
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, ssh in while in recovery mode.
[04:33] <Nautilus_> not in recovery mode, I can't seem to reboot from the command line to get to that option?
[04:33] <OerHeks> upgrading a VPN, those images are heavily tweaked, normally one would get an upgrade from the VPN provider
[04:33] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, you have to do it from your VPS control panel
[04:33] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: What change did the upgrade make to your sudoers file? What is the exact message you get when you try to use sudo currently?
[04:33] <Nautilus_> just went looking for that...
[04:34] <Nautilus_> it put the stock 14.04 sudoers file in
[04:34] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, once you're in recovery mode execute this:
[04:34] <deletemeplease> mount -o remount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[04:34] <deletemeplease> chroot /mnt
[04:34] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: sshing into a machine "while in recovery mode" won't (and shouldn't) get you a root shell through ssh.
[04:35] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, Nautilus_ your VPS provider should have a remote screen option
[04:35] <deletemeplease> It will be like sitting infront of the machine instead of using SSH
[04:35] <Nautilus_> yea let me try some things through the vps CP
[04:35] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, once logged in, here is your command to use
[04:36] <deletemeplease> touch /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:36] <deletemeplease> That should drop you into your root partition again.
[04:36] <deletemeplease> You will still have root permissions though.
[04:36] <deletemeplease> from there you can fix your sudoers file
[04:36] <SubCool> deletemeplease, i just pushed for a reboot- lets see what happens...
[04:37] <SubCool> i hope it comes back on..
[04:37] <deletemeplease> SubCool, ok
[04:37] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, when you're done fixing the sudoers file use this command:
[04:37] <deletemeplease> sync && exit
[04:37] <deletemeplease> Then it will become safe to reboot the VPS
[04:38] <cryptz> Tj let me know if you need anything else dmesg looks incomplete
[04:38] <cryptz> from what i posted atleast
[04:38] <deletemeplease> Does anyone know how to operate thinkfan?
[04:38] <deletemeplease> my thinpad is running it's fan at 42c...
[04:38] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: 1: Touch doesn't create directories, mkdir does. You're making assumptions that a device named /dev/sda1 exists, which on a VPS it likely won't (it will instead often be /dev/vda1), and you're also making assumptions about their VPS even having a mode like this, and that it works the way you're expecting. Do you know what VPS provider deletemeplease is using?
[04:38] <sanitypassing> hi, can anyone tell me the command ubuntu uses to start daemons? I'm running a 15.10 server, but I'm used to a different distros commands and so I have no idea how to daemonize docker right now. :\
[04:39] <Jordan_U> sanitypassing: sudo systemctl start service_name
[04:40] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, I've found that using touch in /mnt and mounting a filesystem to the file you touched has been pretty reliable under ubuntu whereas using mkdir has been in debian. 99% of VPS providers will provide sda1
[04:40] <sanitypassing> ah, ubuntu uses systemd too?
[04:40] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, I'e never encountered vda1 with KVM
[04:40] <NetworkingPro> anyone use ffmpeg on ubunut?
[04:40] <NetworkingPro> *ubuntu?
[04:40] <deletemeplease> if he's using Xen or OpenVZ then goodluck :)
[04:40] <deletemeplease> NetworkingPro, works perfectly, sanitypassing yes.
[04:41] <deletemeplease> sanitypassing, sudo service <service> <operation>
[04:41] <sanitypassing> Well, it appears the server isn't using systemctl
[04:41] <sanitypassing> ah that worked
[04:41] <sanitypassing> thanks!
[04:41] <deletemeplease> no problem
[04:41] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: cannot touch /mnt/sd1: permission denied
[04:41] <TJ-> cryptz: OK, so the devices are "Micron P420m-MTFDGAR1T4MAX" on the mtip32xx controllers 43:00.0 and 44:00.0 ?
[04:41] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, mkdir /mnt/sd1
[04:41] <cryptz> yes
[04:42] <cryptz> 3 total
[04:42] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Dude!
[04:42] <deletemeplease> mkdir -r /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:42] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: permission denied :(
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, O_o
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, whoami
[04:42] <TJ-> cryptz: sda being the 3rd, the OS boot device?
[04:42] <Nautilus_> shows my user name
[04:42] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, that is?
[04:42] <cryptz> correct sda is actually a hardware mirror off of the dell perc h710 controller, boot device as well
[04:43] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: brian
[04:43] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, recovery mode?
[04:43] <SubCool> deletemeplease, thanks for trying. I tried to reboot it- and ... it didnt happen. SO, i have to wait until tomorrow.
[04:43] <SubCool> thanks guys.
[04:43] <Nautilus_> nope, doesn't look like I have a way to get there
[04:43] <NetworkingPro> deletemeplease:  ffmpeg question relating to rebroadcasting a stream?
[04:43] <TJ-> cryptz: ok... I *suspect* the issue is the naming of the block devices on the mtip32xx... you showed rsssdXY, is that corrrect?
[04:43] <deletemeplease> SubCool, that sucks :(
[04:43] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: mkdir doesn't have a -r option, and you have an extra space between 'remount,' and 'rw'.
[04:43] <deletemeplease> SubCool, generally I don't use the offline clients on Linux becuase they're horrid
[04:44] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, It's late and I'm tired.
[04:44] <deletemeplease> >.>
[04:44] <deletemeplease> almost midnight here.
[04:44] <dupingping> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1517309
[04:44] <cryptz> tj they are /dev/rssda /dev/rssdb and /dev/rssdc i did not create partitions this time around. the guide from dell/micron does also not create partitions on the drive and add the partitions to the md array.
[04:44] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: Possibly not a good time to be giving support then.
[04:45] <deletemeplease> mkdir /mnt/sd1 && mount -o remount, rw / /mnt/sd1 && chroot /mnt/sd1
[04:45] <Jordan_U> deletemeplease: Extra space still.
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, whoops
[04:45] <Nautilus_> still, not in recovery mode
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, and you can't sudo su?
[04:45] <cryptz> @tj i am basically following this guide at this point, http://linux.dell.com/files/whitepapers/Linux_Software_RAID_Volumes_with_PCIe-SSD.pdf  this did work on older versions of ubuntu
[04:45] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, have you tried sudo su?
[04:46] <deletemeplease> or sudo bash -i
[04:46] <Nautilus_> I'm not in the sudoers file
[04:46] <cryptz> you could say prior to systemd, but are you seeing an attempt to create the array? i didnt see it, atleast not with the associations i was searching for
[04:46] <deletemeplease> Nautilus_, is your VPS KVM, OpenVZ, or Xen?
[04:46] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect the issue is simply that the udevd rules that match newly added blockdevices are NOT matching the 'rs*' pattern
[04:46] <deletemeplease> (it's helps to know)
[04:46] <killsomehiggers> why can't we get rid of all the niggers
[04:47] <Nautilus_> deletemeplease: I couldnt say
[04:47] <deletemeplease> Jordan_U, that was fast :)
[04:47] <deletemeplease> I was going to use hte ops command
[04:48] <cryptz> tj do u know where that logic resides, i can atleast take a look. the system is test i am willing to edit anything i can to try. i can safely say there will only ever be a software raid on these devices in this system, to that point i can probably take a good junk of the variables out of this. if there is a suitable place for me to simply issue the mdadm -As command that may work as well but
[04:48] <cryptz> i need to have md0 up before fstab obviously
[04:49] <hiya> is Ubuntu the most secure OS in the world?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: What change did the upgrade make to your sudoers file? What is the exact message you get when you try to use sudo currently?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> hiya: No. Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[04:50] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect its /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules
[04:50] <TJ-> cryptz: look at the line "KERNEL!= ... GOTO="persistent_storage_end" "
[04:50] <hiya> Jordan_U, I don't know, I did not start to use it yet
[04:50] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: I believe it put the stock 14.04 sudoers file in place of mine, doing a reboot but it says I'm not in the sudoers file
[04:51] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect you need to add to that group of alternate matches "|rs*" at the end so the rule continues to process the device
[04:52] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: "brian is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[04:52] <ryan_> check
[04:52] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Had you manually edited /etc/suders before? It by default doesn't include any users by default, but rather just the "admin" and "sudo" groups, and any user that is a member of either group can run commands as root using sudo. Also note that upgrades will not replace files in /etc/ without prompting you first.
[04:53] <Nautilus_> yes I did add my user brian
[04:53] <TJ-> cryptz: I think you'll also need to add a match under the heading "# SCSI devices"
[04:53] <Nautilus_> and yea, it prompted me. oops
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: OK. Do you have any users (like one created during initial installation) that are members of the "admin" group?
[04:54] <TJ-> cryptz: to capture both the whole device, and partitions, you probably need to add "|rs*" to the 2 lines in that block that begin "KERNEL=="sd*|..."
[04:54] <Nautilus_> doubtful. I can't cat sudoers to see whats in there
[04:54] <TJ-> cryptz: it looks to me like you'd be better off creating a complete new rules file rather than editing that file, that has the rules needed, in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[04:55] <cryptz> out of curiousity what are you running? i only ask because 14.04 is officially supported by micron i wonder if that script has changed, i am making your changes now though.
[04:55] <cryptz> is there a place to simply issue mdadm -As earlier enough in the process or is it too late
[04:55] <cryptz> also this did work on older versions
[04:56] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: looks like I need to reimage the vps and start over?
[04:56] <TJ-> cryptz: They ought to provide a udev upe
[04:56] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: You don't understand, I'm not asking you to look at /etc/sudoers, I'm asking you to look at /etc/group .
[04:56] <TJ-> cryptz: s/upe/rule/ !
[04:56] <Nautilus_> oh ok
[04:57] <TJ-> cryptz: Hmmm, is there a supporting driver/OS package?
[04:57] <K3y804rDCow80y> SubCool I'm back
[04:57] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Look for any members of the "admin" or "sudo" groups. If there are any, try logging in as one of them.
[04:57] <cryptz> well there is but not for 15.10
[04:57] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: I'm not sure what to make of /etc group
[04:57] <TJ-> cryptz: the kernel log doesn't show those devices being discovered at all, but it does show sda
[04:57] <Nautilus_> it does shoe brian:x:1001:
[04:57] <Nautilus_> show*
[04:58] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Look for a line starting with "sudo" or "admin".
[04:58] <cryptz> tj but the devices are accessible after boot
[04:59] <cryptz> i just had them in a zfs volume as well
[04:59] <Nautilus_> sudo:x:27 , adm:x:4:syslog , don't see an admin
[04:59] <cryptz> but maybe the older driver pack modifies these udev rules
[04:59] <cryptz> to your point, i am saying it worked in older versions of ubuntu, but i used their drivers in those versions
[05:00] <TJ-> cryptz: hmmm, the log shows no sign of them at all. I see the 'scst' stuff but there's nothing specifi there either. Usually when the kernel discovers a block device, it'll report it and show the partition table if it has one
[05:00] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: ^
[05:00] <TJ-> cryptz: I suspect there is a udev rule in that driver pack. Can you look? its only a text file so you can easily copy it into /etc/udev/rules.d/ if there is one (or more)
[05:00] <Jordan_U> Nautilus_: Then you're out of luck. Contact your VPS provider to see what they can do.
[05:01] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: thanks a bunch for the help, I'll have to reimage it and put the site files back
[05:01] <cryptz> its a deb file how would i extract
[05:02] <TJ-> cryptz: "dpkg-deb -x <file.deb> /path/to/some/dir"
[05:03] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I promised to let you know how the USB stick turned out. PERFECT!
[05:04] <VictoriaXOXO> 100% perfect.
[05:04] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Plus, I got rid of all the stupid startup GUI/splash stuff.
[05:04] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: That's great :)
[05:04] <cryptz> tj i do not believe i have what we need, the contains /usr/src folders, only content is dkms.conf extra.c extra.h makefile mtip32xx.c mtip32xx.h
[05:05] <TJ-> cryptz: OK, that sounds like the source-code for a DKMS kernel module build
[05:05] <Nautilus_> Jordan_U: thanks again, reimage in progress.
[05:05] <TJ-> cryptz: I'm not sure then, but it feels like because the devices have an unconventional name the idev rules won't match them
[05:05] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: It sure is! By the way, do you know how to check all the sums of a file? md5, sha-1, and so on?
[05:05] <TJ-> !info jacksum | VictoriaXOXO
[05:06] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: And that is the best way?
[05:06] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Can I check just the sha-1 sum manually from a terminal?
[05:06] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: one tool that runs abotu 30+ hash/checksum algorithms against a file
[05:06] <cryptz> is there a window where i can issue the command mdadm -As before fstab is referenced so that i could assemble the array with a script at the right time in the boot process. after the system boots the devices are ok so it seems doable i just dont know the right location to put that command
[05:06] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: "sha1sum <file>"
[05:07] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'll write it down, but for now I'll use that "sha1sum <file>" command. Thanks! :D
[05:07] <TJ-> cryptz: that's the point of the udev rules. If they were being triggered, mdadm would be launched automatically
[05:07] <TJ-> cryptz: but for the udev mdadm rules to fire, first, the underlying devices have to be recognised, and processed as, block devices
[05:08] <cryptz> at some point they obviously are though
[05:09] <TJ-> cryptz: the nodes are there, but the extra userspace stuff that scans them isn't being triggered from everything you've shown, which is why you have to manually fire mdadm on the nodes
[05:09] <marksr> Eval...
[05:10] <cryptz> what is the search command to look for a hit on rssd* within the udev folder maybe i can find somethign else but to your point it may not be there
[05:10] <cryptz> but somethign is showing these drives as block devices by the time i can access them
[05:13] <TJ-> cryptz: you're confusing yourself. The /dev/rs* device is being created, thats not the issue. The issue is that when it is created udev rules need to recognise the *name* as a SCSI block device and scan those devices for signs of metadata to trigger mdadm. That never happens.
[05:14] <cryptz> gotcha i just wanted to search the udev folder file contents for an occurance of rs* or perhaps more specifically rssd*
[05:14] <cryptz> incase it was handled in another rule
[05:15] <cryptz> i still havent tried your suggestions to modify that file and i can do that now
[05:15] <cryptz> my biggest concern was not an immediate failure but somethign over a period of time
[05:15] <TJ-> cryptz: that's why I recommended adding a new rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ that does for the rs* devices the same actions that /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules does for sd* devices
[05:15] <cryptz> ok fair enough let me try that
[05:16] <cryptz> once i make that change do those files fire automatically or does something need to be done, i know there is also an /etc/udev/rules.d and i wasnt sure what the distinction was
[05:24] <TJ-> cryptz: Looking at the rules, I think the file that contains the relevant bits for discovering/assembling is /lib/udev/rules.d/64-md-raid-assembly.rules
[05:25] <Jerry_> Hello everyone
[05:25] <cryptz> ok do you feel the 60-rules are also necessary still
[05:25] <Jerry_> i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display. It *is* running, yeah
[05:27] <TJ-> cryptz: without seeing udev in action its hard to tell. You could use udevadm monitor and udevadm trigger to fire the rules processing again, and look at the rules being processed for those rs* devices.
[05:27] <cryptz> ok well you have definately given me alot of help and got me pointed in the right direction
[05:27] <cryptz> it has been a great learnign experience, you will be happy to know i do not do this for a living =)
[05:27] <cryptz> thank you very much
[05:28] <Jerry_> how, can i figure out it?
[05:28] <cryptz> one last question
[05:28] <cryptz> it seems alot of people put their custom items in etc/udev
[05:28] <cryptz> what is the dif vs lib
[05:28] <Jerry_>  i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display.
[05:30] <cryptz> hey Tj, your suggested changes to rule 60 actually did it, i made those changes (creating them from scrarch was a little intimidating at first) and after a reboot md0 is intact!
[05:30] <cryptz> i know i will lose those changes after an upgrade though so i will try to find a better way
[05:30] <cryptz> the discs must adhere to the rules in 64 after the changes to 60..
[05:31] <Jerry_> Please help me guys.
[05:32] <hdavidzhu> exit
[05:32] <TJ-> cryptz: right, move the rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ then
[05:33] <cryptz> at the moment i simply edited rule 60 in those 3 spots, i didnt want to create a stand alone rule that wasnt scoped correctly
[05:33] <cryptz> i will experiment with that
[05:33] <TJ-> cryptz: I did create a stripped down file for you to test, look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13324934/
[05:34] <TJ-> cryptz: that should do it; and then you don't need to have the system package rules modified (which would get wiped out any time the udev package is upgraded)
[05:34] <cryptz> ok so if this goes in /etc/udev/... it should persist through upgrades?
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: correct, anything under /etc/udev/rules.d/ belongs to the sys-admin not the package
[05:35] <cryptz> well this is awesome! thanks so much
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: the important thing is to have the number of the file lower than the system package, so your rules get processed first
[05:35] <TJ-> cryptz: notice i set it to 59-
[05:35] <cryptz> yep
[05:36] <TJ-> cryptz: revert your changes and test that rules file, ensure it does the job :)
[05:38] <TJ-> cryptz: I think the KEY line there is 26, where it imports into the udev environment, the variables generated by 'blkid' since those will include the 'FS_TYPE' which the MD rules will match to
[05:40] <cryptz> rebooting now with 60's changes reverted and your custom 59
[05:41] <cryptz> are there any good books that would have told me about udev i have been using linux as a san for about 2 years but never had to interact with it
[05:42] <cryptz> i didnt know what was actually piecing this all together at boot
[05:42] <TJ-> I think there's some online docs for udev, but it's mostly aquired experience :)
[05:42] <cryptz> problem with linux for me is that there could be good docs on udev, i wasnt going to be looking for udev related docs though =)
[05:43] <TJ-> cryptz: yeah, that's why IRC is so useful.
[05:43] <TJ-> cryptz: can put you on the correct track
[05:43] <cryptz> biggest headache was there were alot of people with this problem and it was just mdadm.conf related as well.. so i spent a day looking through all of those
[05:44] <TJ-> My mantra here has become "read the logs, Luke!"
[05:44] <cryptz> well i really appreciate it again man..
[05:44] <cryptz> i really didnt see anything in the logs
[05:44] <cryptz> i didnt know what i was looking for tbh
[05:44] <cryptz> so i was searching for md0 and my device names
[05:44] <cryptz> never saw it
[05:44] <TJ-> cryptz: yes, that was the point... the devices weren't in the logs when they ought to be
[05:44] <cryptz> it just came back up with md0 intact
[05:45] <cryptz> yes i would have just concluded aww shit someone stole my pciessds
[05:45] <cryptz> i honestly didnt think it was trying to assemble, i just had no clue why
[05:48] <cryptz> i am heading off now, i greatly appreciate all of your help
[05:49] <Nautilus_> hoping for a quick tip, how do I tell where my DocumentRoot directive is pointing to?
[05:50] <Nautilus_> oh, I found a /var/www dir, that's the place?  New 14.04 image
[05:52] <Jerry_> guys please help
[05:52] <Jerry_> i am facing a problem giblib error: Can't open X display.
[06:01] <game000> guys, I'm trying to use mysql but I see that it's installed
[06:01] <game000> but I cannot open phpmyadmin in my browser from my machine
[06:01] <game000> why?
[06:02] <hamnstar> hey folks
[06:02] <hamnstar> trying to run popcorntime
[06:02] <hamnstar> getting a black screen - appears to be waiting on an AF_LOCAL socket talking to X11
[06:02] <hamnstar> any ideas
[06:03] <hamnstar> ?
[06:03] <Guest75454> game000, if its installed, whats the issue?
[06:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Holy ****. Paris is under attack again.
[06:04] <game000> Guest75454> I'm using ssh connection and I installed it and it's not working
[06:04] <ParadiseHunter> VictoriaXOXO, is that true? Sh**** how long ago?
[06:05] <VictoriaXOXO> ParadiseHunter: I just noticed it. Think it's breaking. http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/reports-gun-fire-possible-explosions-near-saintdenis-area-paris-france-31252.shtml?wap=0&
[06:05] <ParadiseHunter> damn it ...
[06:06] <ParadiseHunter> yes headlines on google
[06:06] <cairaptor> Is that the police after #9?
[06:06] <game000> Guest75454> I don't know what's the problem
[06:10] <hipitihop> I have an in-house single page app that runs in Chrome/Canary which causes the tab to crash. I have investigated chrome logging but nothing useful. Can anyone suggest a way to get more insight into the chrome process/tab ?
[06:11] <game000> guys when I use nano how can I write over the file
[06:12] <game000> cause I'm using ctrl+x and it's showing me some option. and I don't know how to write over the file
[06:12] <danatwork> game000: Ctrl + O
 ok, then there's some option came to me: M-D Dos , M-A
[06:13] <game000> etc ..
[06:15] <Abe> hello I did an Update but now my resolution is only 1024x768 and I can't set it higher??
[06:21] <ParadiseHunter> game000, if you are not comfortable with text editors in CLI mode, try gedit <filename>
[06:21] <ParadiseHunter> or leafpad <filename>
[06:22] <game000> I'm using ubuntu server
[06:22] <Abe> ok I fixed it
 I'm using the ubuntu server version
[06:23] <Abe> the cable wasn;t in right
[06:25] <ParadiseHunter> game000, you know vi editor?
[06:25] <Massrawy> Abe : thanks for the update, sure might help someone else who may overlook this.
[06:25] <ParadiseHunter> though nano is the simplest ones :-)
 I solved the problem by clicking on ctrl+o and then press enter
[06:26] <game000> it will overwrite the file
[06:26] <ParadiseHunter> sweet
 thanks for your help
[06:27] <Orian> Gretings
[06:27] <Orian> ill lurk now
[06:28] <ParadiseHunter> I did nothing you solved yourself, cheers!
[06:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Sorry all for the off-topic, but this just happened in France. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJDEUmy7Wzk
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: please not here
[06:29] <VictoriaXOXO> That's the only thing I will post. :)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: we have an offtopic channel for such
[06:38] <neonixcoder> Good day all
[06:38] <neonixcoder> how can I change a partition label in Ubuntu?
[06:39] <neonixcoder> I used tune2fs -L ""  /dev/sda1 which is not working..
[06:39] <neonixcoder> Can I know how to remove already assigned label for a partition?
[06:44] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, gparted does that easily
[06:45] <neonixcoder> is it?
[06:45] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, unless you're working on an LVM setup, yeah, it'll do what you want.
[06:45] <neonixcoder> no LVM setup..
[06:45] <neonixcoder> Let me have a look..
[06:46] <neonixcoder> Thanks, emitattuo.
[06:46] <emitattuo> neonixcoder, you're welcome.  I use it for most any non-LVM partitioning.
[06:48] <neonixcoder> emitatuo: No other tools like e2label etc?
[06:48] <emitattuo> It's also installed by default on most live CDs/USB distributions, so it's commonly available if you are trying to do something like resize a partition on an already installed system.
[06:48] <emitattuo> emitattuo, I'm sure there's many other tools, yes.
[06:49] <emitattuo> uh, neonixcoder ^^
[06:50] <emitattuo> (Not enough sleep lately)
[06:51] <neonixcoder> emitattuo: I just require removing label from a partition not resizing..
[06:56] <Enobkcab> Hello everyone!
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> Enobkcab: welcome, what can we do for you?
[07:02] <Inkletblot> hai?
[07:30] <Irrtum> hi
[07:47] <DF3D2> whats good my buntuers
[07:51] <derock299> hello, I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 online. After the upgrade i got a notification to reboot my system to finish the upgrade, during the reboot, the system hanged and it wont move from that stage
[07:51] <sliddis> Hello how do I compile a program I downloaded from git? I downloaded with git clone url.git
[07:51] <derock299> hello
[07:52] <OerHeks> !build
[07:52] <derock299> how do I change back cos I can't access my pc now, although I have another partition running 14.10, please help guys
[07:53] <OerHeks> derock299, upgrade issue, do you happen to have an ATI videocard, there are issues with these, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes#Graphics_and_Display
[07:54] <derock299> I am using a Radeon graphics in HP probook
[07:54] <derock299> I have removed the drive and made it external drive, is there a way I can correct this now
[07:55] <derock299> I have upgraded using the same method from 14.10 to 15.04 without any issue but encountered this issue on 15.10
[07:55] <OerHeks> boot in recovery mode, uninstall fglrx and reinstall the open driver.
[07:57] <abdel_> I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 in ubuntu, it asked me to reboot my pc, during the reboot, my system hanged and it wont move from that stage. please can you help me guys . I need to access my PC back pls
[07:57] <abdel_> Although I have another partition running 14.10 on the same PC.
[07:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> abdel_ give this a read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[07:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> http://www.howtogeek.com/196740/how-to-fix-an-ubuntu-system-when-it-wont-boot/
[07:59] <abdel_> Seriously I will do that now but I need a quick fix, I have already removed my drive and made it external drive, is there a way I can correct the external drive now so that my OS will start working?
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> there isn't really a magic solution
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> it depends on why it wont boot
[07:59] <SeriouslyLaugh> you'll have to troubleshoot it
[08:01] <OerHeks> abdel_ = derock299 , again: boot in recovery, remove the fglrx driver and use the open driver .. ( why asking it with 2 names ?)
[08:01] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx*
[08:01] <emadhelmi> Hi
[08:01] <abdel_> how do I remove the fglrx, I am quite a novice at Oerhks, please help
[08:01] <emadhelmi> How can i check the server side programming language of a website?
[08:02] <SeriouslyLaugh> i'm genuinely amazed that people are technically inclined enough to come to this channel to ask for help but don't think to try google first
[08:02] <SeriouslyLaugh> nothing personal
[08:02] <abdel_> but I cannot access the drive now, its not booting, it hangs during boot
[08:04] <sliddis> When I try to compile with "make" i get error std::__cxx11::string Dines::random_string(size_t)
[08:04] <OerHeks> abdel_, hold shift @ boot, and choose recovery mode in the grub2 menu
[08:04] <sliddis> along with a lot of other errors
[08:05] <abdel_> i have tried that Oerheks, the recovery mode hangs too
[08:05] <abdel_> let me try again sir
[08:06] <derock299> I am here OerHeks
[08:08] <derock299> do you mean immediately i boot my pc, I should hold the shift key @oerheks, what do I do after that?
[08:09] <OerHeks> derock299, after the bios page, hold shift > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[08:11] <derock299> okay i will have to put the drive back into my pc and try again @oerheks
[08:16] <ColonelUsername> Does anyone know of something like this (http://conjurecode.com/create-indicator-applet-for-ubuntu-unity-with-python/) for C? I'm looking for a tutorial on how to make a panel-indicator, or maybe some documentation that's less than four years old, and google is not being helpful.
[08:18] <derock299> is there a way I can remove the fglxr* on the external drive ?
[08:19] <derock299> I have another drive on my pc running 14.04 and the one that refuses to boot is now an external drive.
[08:19] <baizon> derock299: boot into text mode and remove it then
[08:19] <derock299> please guide me baizon
[08:20] <derock299> i really don't know how to do this
[08:20] <baizon> derock299: http://askubuntu.com/questions/92276/how-do-i-boot-into-true-text-mode
[08:22] <derock299> @baizon: the affected drive is now an external drive, so how will I do sudo update-grub
[08:22] <derock299> based on the link you sent, after editing the etc file, I was told to do sudo update-grub
[08:23] <baizon> derock299: yes
[08:23] <sliddis> http://paste.debian.net/333486/ what is wrong when compiling this? I downloaded from github with git clone. got build-essential, autoconf, libcppunit-dev
[08:23] <baizon> derock299: boot into recovery mode and do this
[08:24] <derock299> from the etc file i couldn't fine fglxr*
[08:24] <derock299> okay baizon will I boot into recovery mode, the drive is now an external drive
[08:24] <derock299> please show me sir
[08:25] <baizon> derock299: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[08:26] <baizon> derock299: and this http://askubuntu.com/questions/150367/how-do-i-boot-into-recovery-mode
[08:28] <derock299> I have two partitions one is  still 14.10 and I can access that partition, can I fix the second partition from the working partition @baizon
[08:30] <baizon> derock299: you want to deinstall fglrx?
[08:30] <serveur_> hello
[08:37] <Yume> list
[08:55] <arch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[09:07] <derock299> baizon, here is my problem. I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, I was asked to reboot to complete installation, during the reboot, my pc hanged, i waited for 4 hours but it never passed that stage. My pc runs two partitions (14.10 and 15.04) the 14.10 partition is still accessible but the issue now is with the 15.04 partition which was upgraded to 15.10 and encountered issues. so how do I fix this issue now sir
[09:08] <stevenm> Hey due to "Micro Release Exceptions" as they were called... Ubuntu forces upon us the latest Firefox and Thunderbird... this is normally fine... but I'm having a real issue with Thunderbird 38 and need to go back to 31 - what is the proper way to do this?
[09:11] <arch> how to install software or upgrade form an old unsupported release. http://bit.ly/1WYu9Q4
[09:15] <stevenm> anyone?
[09:16] <explosive> arch: type cat /etc/issue
[09:16] <explosive> stevenm: there's not really a proper way to do it
[09:16] <derock299> please can somebody help me with my issue please
[09:17] <explosive> stevenm: if you use the older firefox it might have vulnerabilities
[09:17] <stevenm> explosive, no i'm trying to use an older thunderbird
[09:17] <stevenm> explosive, given the only thing it connects to is my own trusted mail server - i'm fine taking the risk... not like it is a web browser
[09:18] <explosive> stevenm: you could uninstall it, and then download the .deb and use dpkg to install it, but it also might have vulnerabilities
[09:18] <explosive> archive.ubuntu.com for the deb files
[09:18] <explosive> dpkg -i <deb file> to install
[09:18] <stevenm> explosive, can i pin it or something so it won't upgrade?
[09:18] <explosive> yeah i think you can use apt-mark or something to do that
[09:18] <derock299> baizon, here is my problem. I upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10, I was asked to reboot to complete installation, during the reboot, my pc hanged, i waited for 4 hours but it never passed that stage. My pc runs two partitions (14.10 and 15.04) the 14.10 partition is still accessible but the issue now is with the 15.04 partition which was upgraded to 15.10 and encountered issues. so how do I fix this issue now sir
[09:19] <explosive> type man apt_preferences to read about it
[09:20] <explosive> derock299: what does it hang on while booting?
[09:20] <derock299> it gets to a stage and just hangs there
[09:21] <derock299> it doesnt move from there, it gives an error that failed to boot systemct or something, I cant remember
[09:22] <explosive> derock299: can you get the exact error?
[09:23] <derock299> i was told that I need to do sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr*
[09:23] <derock299> but I dont even know how to do it because my safe mode hangs too, I will have to put this PC off
[09:24] <explosive> derock299: try booting with these kernel parameters: nomodeset
[09:24] <explosive> instead of quiet splash
[09:24] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset | derFlo
[09:24] <cfhowlett> derock299, this ^^
[09:26] <derock299> explosive how do i do the nomodeset?
[09:26] <derock299> can I correct the drive manually since i have turned it into external drive now
[09:27] <explosive> derock299: hold shift when the pc boots, to get grub, press e, then edit the line that starts with linux /boot/vmlinuz...
[09:27] <explosive> then press ctrl+x
[09:28] <derock299> okay let me put it off and try
[09:28] <derock299> thanks
[09:29] <ren0v0> hi, i've changed "automatically check for updates" to "never", yet i'm still receiving GUI popups for updates?
[09:29] <explosive> np
[09:30] <explosive> ren0v0: i think that only doesn't check for updates
[09:31] <explosive> if you use apt-get update it's the same
[09:31] <explosive> cause i sometimes apt-get update then immediately get a popup from the gui
[09:31] <explosive> remove the display popup for security and the other one if you want to not see them
[09:34] <derock299> @explosive: how do I do the sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr*?
[09:42] <e01> i had installed slack on ubuntu, but now almost every file is opened (double click) with it by default, how can i fix this without uninstalling slack?
[09:43] <reisio> e01: slack?
[09:44] <e01> reisio, not th distro but the messaging app
[09:45] <reisio> 'configuration management program for lazy admins' ?
[09:45] <e01> nvm
[09:46]  * reisio rolls eyes
[09:46] <derock299> okay I have removed my hard drive and turned it to external drive but i cant view the content of my drive in the home file, I get only a read me text which give this erro:This link cannot be used because its target “/usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt” doesn't exist.
[09:46] <reisio> gonna use software with a terrible name, people are going to be unclear as to what you're talking about
[09:46] <derock299> please how to I access all my files in my external drive
[09:46] <reisio> derock299: does that file exist?
[09:48] <derock299> @reisio: I have removed my drive with ubuntu 15.04 on it, i turned it to external drive, now when I insert it in another system running ubuntu 14.10, I can see the drive but there's nothing on my home folder
[09:48] <derock299> and i have files about 200gb in the drive
[09:49] <reisio> derock299: that doesn't answer my question
[09:50] <derock299> no it doesnt exist i just checked @reisio
[09:50] <reisio> derock299: so tell it where it is
[09:50] <derock299> please how do I access content of my drive @reisio?
[09:51] <reisio> derock299: it's looking for /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt
[09:51] <derock299> where is that located ?
[09:51] <reisio> derock299: that is where
[09:51] <reisio> that's an absolute path
[09:51] <reisio> if it's not there, then you've moved it
[09:51] <derock299> sorry reisio, i checked again its there
[09:52] <NaOH> He lost his key :/
[09:52] <derock299> its there: /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt
[09:52] <derock299> its there
[09:52] <derock299> but I cannot view the content of my drive
[09:53] <NaOH> wouldn't there = the 200gb drive and so would not be  /usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt but more like /media/USERNAME/usr/share/ecryptfs-utils/ecryptfs-mount-private.txt ?
[09:54] <derock299> THIS DIRECTORY HAS BEEN UNMOUNTED TO PROTECT YOUR DATA.
[09:54] <derock299> From the graphical desktop, click on:
[09:54] <derock299>  "Access Your Private Data"
[09:54] <derock299> or
[09:54] <derock299> From the command line, run:
[09:54] <derock299>  ecryptfs-mount-private
[09:57] <derock299> okay this is what i want, I have removed my drive running ubuntu and converted it to external drive, please how do I access the content of the drive now
[10:05] <Blackout_> Hallo zusammen
[10:05] <reisio> 'lo
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> !de | Blackout_
[10:06] <reisio> ...
[10:10] <justrohu> Hello everyone
[10:10] <justrohu> I am very new to ubuntu
[10:11] <justrohu> can any one please guide me how to set up cron job in ubuntu
[10:11] <hateball> !cron
[10:13] <labsy> hi all
[10:13] <luzhlon> hu
[10:13] <luzhlon> hi
[10:13] <labsy> my server got hacked.
[10:13] <reisio> labsy: bummer
[10:13] <labsy> question is: I found out someone had access to user root with pubkey. I see his RSA (fingerprint)
[10:14] <labsy> but it is none of mine.
[10:15] <reisio> that isn't a question
[10:19] <andreas_> HI
[10:19] <explosive> hi
[10:19] <labsy> ah
[10:19] <labsy> the question is: how could this happen?
[10:19] <explosive> labsy: what's the server running? services?
[10:19] <labsy> a different fingerprint which is none of my keys in authorized_keys for user root.
[10:20] <labsy> explosive: mongo and redis. mongo was open without auth
[10:20] <labsy> no idea about redis
[10:20] <labsy> could someone do something via mongo shell?
[10:20] <labsy> is there a chance to do such thing with the mongo shell at all?
[10:22] <BuildTheRobots> good morning. can't seem to get ssl to work when connecting to either https://ubuntu.com or https://releases.ubuntu.com - does anyone know if it's supposed to work, and if not, how I can get a verified download of ubuntu, please?
[10:22] <Guest19904> O HO
[10:22] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, use torrents
[10:23] <BuildTheRobots> cfhowlett: which is great, but as the torrent isn't downloaded over ssl it makes the torrent contents unverifiable, right?
[10:23] <labsy> any known vulnerability regarding ssh in recent time?
[10:23] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, torrents are hashchecked via ubuntu and torrents themselves are sumchecked for accuracy
[10:23] <reisio> labsy: try #polls
[10:24] <cookie80> labsy: I'm just curious... what are the filepermissions of authorized_keys?
[10:24] <BuildTheRobots> cfhowlett: sure, but my point is, i have no way of knowing the torrent file I download from ubuntu.com is actually the torrent they've published
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: the source doesn't matter if you check sums, that's the point
[10:24] <labsy> cookie80: now or back then?
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: yes, you have
[10:24] <BuildTheRobots> reisio: so where do I get the checksums from
[10:24] <cookie80> labsy: back then
[10:24] <reisio> BuildTheRobots: any ubuntu mirror
[10:24] <cfhowlett> BuildTheRobots, false.  md5sum with checksums from ubuntu
[10:24] <labsy> because the attacker deleted authorized_keys and made a directory out of it
[10:25] <reisio> md5 is outdated (though probably still sufficient enough)
[10:25] <explosive> labsy: check /var/log/auth.log
[10:25] <labsy> cookie80: 664
[10:25] <labsy> explosive: I did already. I told you I checked his fingerprint.
[10:25] <explosive> needless to say you should erase the server and start a fresh server
[10:25] <labsy> it was from auth.log
[10:25] <labsy> explosive: yes. will do it anyway. but Im more curious about how this even could happen at all
[10:26] <explosive> labsy: did he leave anything behind in the logs? /root/.*_history or something
[10:26] <explosive> or the user's history file
[10:26] <derock299> hello explosive, I have inserted my drive back into the pc, I went to recovery mode and to drop to rootshell prompt , I did sudo apt-get remove --purge pglxr*
[10:27] <labsy> explosive: he made a new superuser with uid 0
[10:27] <labsy> named Redistoor.
[10:27] <labsy> and he was logged in only 1 minute. if I can trust wtmp at all after this
[10:27] <explosive> labsy: check the logs of the services if they're still there, and any errors they might have given
[10:27] <labsy> so I guess it was a bot
[10:27] <derock299> i got this error: W: not using locking for read only lock file, E: unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ and E: The package lists or status file could not b e parsed or opened
[10:28] <explosive> derock299: remount in rw
[10:28] <derock299> then when I try to reboot my pc , during the reboot i get this:failed to start kernel modules error and check systemct1
[10:28] <explosive> mount -o remount,rw /
[10:28] <derock299> it then continues but hooks afterwards
[10:29] <derock299> how do I remount in rw
[10:29] <explosive> labsy: exploit-db.com might show recent vulnerabilities
[10:29] <derock299> please give me the steps
[10:29] <derock299> I went to drop to rootshell prompt and did: mount -o remount, rw/
[10:30] <derock299> and also mount --all
[10:30] <explosive> mount -o remount,rw /
[10:30] <derock299> but its not working
[10:30] <derock299> after mount -o remount,rw/ ......what do I do next
[10:31] <derock299> cos I ttried it and nothing worked my pc still hooks at start up
[10:31] <derock299> okay, I have two partitions, one of the partitions is working...I can access the other partitions but I cannot see my documents, please how can I do this and see my files
[10:34] <cookie80> labsy: recommended file permissions are 644, maybe the attacker was part of your group
[10:34] <labsy> cookie80: yes. investigating.
[10:35] <cookie80> labsy: or the exploited service
[10:35] <derock299> please I cannot access the contents of my second partition from the first partition, I can see the second partition but I cannot see my files, please help
[10:41] <MeTaL_GuRu> hello
[10:41] <reisio> 'lo metal
[10:54] <noelia> Hello everyone
[10:54] <noelia> I need some help here
[10:54] <cfhowlett> !ask | noelia
[10:55] <noelia> I have some broken packages and I don't know how to fix them
[10:56] <noelia> I can't install anything because of that
[10:58] <noelia> Synaptic is telling me I've got to fix the broken packages first...
[10:58] <noelia> I'm a newbie and I don't know how to do this.
[10:58] <cfhowlett> !patience | noelia
[10:59] <noelia> Ok, sorry
[11:05] <stevenm> Hey, where can I find the older version of Thunderbird 31 which my 14.04 system had before version 38 was forced upon it?
[11:05] <stevenm> Don't say archive.ubuntu.com as that does have version 31 but it seems compiled for later version of Ubuntu
[11:06] <bazhang> what about packages.ubuntu.com stevenm
[11:07] <stevenm> that web ui just lists version 38 for trusty
[11:09] <mcphail> stevenm: old versions are only kept in the repos for a short time.  Do you have an older version in your apt cache?
[11:10] <stevenm> mcphail, no i checked
[11:11] <mcphail> stevenm: I see TJ- has solved your problem. Hope it helps
[11:11] <stevenm> i get why ubuntu does these micro release exceptions (e.g. libreoffice, firefox and thunderbird get updated regardless) but this kind of thing is annoying
[11:12] <stevenm> well i've under installed thunderbird 38 and related packages - after i've installed 31 again - how can I stop apt from upgradgint them?  i think it's pinning isn't it?  can I pin anything called thunderbird* or xul-ext-lightning* ?
[11:13] <mcphail> stevenm: I think pinning is the correct thing to do, but I've never done it and don't know the syntax
[11:13] <TJ-> stevenm: you can mark the packages as held
[11:14] <stevenm> TJ-, hmm that page seems to be missing thunderbird-locale-en-gb
[11:14] <TJ-> stevenm: see "man apt-mark" ... you'd want to do "apt-mark hold <package1> <package2> ..."
[11:16] <TJ-> stevenm: you want the -en package. en-gb was a transitional, empty, package
[11:16] <noelia> I'm having problems with Synaptic, I can't fix the broken packages, I'm filtering them but still don't appear
[11:22] <noelia> TJ - Can you help me, please?
[11:25] <Kartagis> why is wifi lost after returning from hibernation?
[11:25] <ludza> can someone help me a boot a distributable dvd i created with remastersys. it completed successfully but gave an error that it might not boot on all bioses
[11:25] <Kartagis> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection is the wirelss card
[11:26] <cfhowlett> ludza, remastersys has been discontinued and no longer supported for some time now.  might not be trustworthy ...
[11:27] <noelia> cfhowlett I've read some information on the internet but none of the workarounds is working :(
[11:27] <ludza> So is there any other app i can use to make a distributable copy of my running system
[11:28] <cfhowlett> noelia, I don't have enough knowledge to provide meaningful help.  ask every 20 minutes or so. soory
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !uck | ludza
[11:28] <lynxer10> good moring all
[11:28] <stevenm> thanks TJ-  :)
[11:29] <ludza> Thanks @ubottu
[11:33] <co10> hey its liam, sup
[11:33] <co10> yo reply hommies
[11:33] <co10> my name is jeff
[11:34] <cfhowlett> co10, this is ubuntu support.  stay on topic or try #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:35] <co10> scott is a mr chow
[11:36] <cfhowlett> co10, off-topic.
[11:36] <co10> hi sam :-)
[11:36] <sebastianlutter> I hunt a bug in a Java JNI shared library. Is there a way on ubuntu to identify missing shared libs of a given .so file? Like ldd -v, but only shows dependencies that are missing on the actual box?
[11:37] <Sonu> Hi ... i am facing a Curl issue on my server.. Curl is enabled but not working ...http://awesomescreenshot.com/0445exek37
[11:39] <vooze> Hi, i'm running 14.04.3 on my laptop. some times after resume from sleep. the touchpad is "frozen" it can scroll, but not move. Mouse works just fine. It works restarting unity. Is the synaptic driver in the kernel, or do I need to run something like 15.10 to get a newer synaptic driver?
[11:42] <hateball> vooze: does reloading psmouse work, or do you have to restart unity?
[11:44] <vooze> hateball, just testet, have to reload unity
[11:45] <vooze> hateball, oh wait, now it works after reloading psmouse
[11:47] <hateball> vooze: you could make some (ugly) workaround that reloads it on resume
[11:47] <Sonu> Failed to connect to  port 80: Connection timed out
[11:47] <Sonu> when using curl
[11:48] <vooze> hateball, its just weird, because I remember it worked in 15.04 and 15.10
[11:48] <vooze> and 14.04.3 should be like 15.04 right? The same kernel etc.
[11:49] <hateball> vooze: no, 3.13 vs 3.19
[11:50] <vooze> hateball, but I have 3.19. (14.04.3
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> guys I have a friend who want to contribute in Masters of the Universe section, how shall he start?
[11:50] <reisio> KrysTaLiZed: what? :p
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> he wants to become a MOTU someday
[11:50] <iceCalt> He shall sacrifice his children for.
[11:50] <KrysTaLiZed> lol
[11:50] <hateball> vooze: yep, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:51] <derock299> hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[11:51] <derock299> luck
[11:51] <KrysTaLiZed> no offttopic here iceCalt btw
[11:51] <hateball> vooze: the default kernel is 3.13 tho
[11:51] <SemiNus> hi
[11:51] <vooze> hateball, I have that, thats why I'm on 3.19
[11:51] <derock299> I have tried sudo update-grub after changing the grub file to nomodeset but i got error too
[11:51] <hateball> vooze: Yep
[11:52] <DJones> !motu | KrysTaLiZed There might be something linked from here,
[11:52] <capio> Hey. i installed Ubuntu. i have two monitors. but when i move my mouse with slow velocity to another monitor it gets stuck in the middle. i have to move it with some speed.
[11:52] <derock299> please can somebody help me, all I need are my important files in the other partition, its urgent please help
[11:52] <KrysTaLiZed> oh thanks DJones
[11:52] <SemiNus> I wondered how I could recursively compare a directory on a webserver with a local directory.   If both were local,  I would use diff -rq   but in this case... is it possible to somehow use  md5 sum to check the files and then check against the md5 sums locally?
[11:52] <hateball> vooze: I wouldnt suggest downgrading kernel, rather upgrade to a later in that case. or just make a script to reload psmouse on resume
[11:52] <DJones> capio: Sounds like stick edges is set to be on, I think its in the display settings and needs turning off
[11:53] <DJones> capio: Settings - Display - Sticky Edges - On/Off
[11:53] <vooze> hateball, can I use 4.2 like in 15.10 ? I see for Server it says sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily. But not sure how that would work on laptop
[11:54] <derock299> I have tried sudo update-grub after changing the grub file to nomodeset but i got error too
[11:54] <hateball> vooze: It is the same
[11:54] <derock299> hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[11:54] <derock299> luck
[11:55] <SpuxBow> hi
[11:55] <hateball> vooze: You'll still be able to pick a kernel in grub menu on boot
[11:55] <capio> DJones, yep that solved it. thanks
[11:57] <capio> Another question. i need to install django version 1.8 but its not in the servers. How do i go about and install it?
[11:57] <vooze> hateball, okay, testing 15.10 kernel now :)
[11:57] <vooze> thanks for your help
[11:58] <derock299> or if nobody knows the solution, please can somebody tell me how to view the files in my other partition , both partitions are ubuntu, one of the partitions is working
[11:59] <derock299> so how do u view the files in the other partition please
[12:00] <reisio> derock299: two Ubuntu installs?
[12:00] <taavi90> Hello, what is the name of the package that is the application finder..located in top of the left menu icon
[12:01] <derock299> i have two ubuntu (14.10 and 15,04) on the same pc, they are all working fine
[12:01] <reisio> dash?
[12:01] <reisio> derock299: does it not show on the left in file manager?
[12:01] <derock299> i did an upgrade on 15.04 to 15.0 , then during reboot i got error that it failed to load kernel
[12:02] <taavi90> reisio : was that a response to me...?
[12:02] <derock299> it continued to hang completely, now from the second partition i can see my other drive and some files but i cannot access the content of my home folder
[12:02] <reisio> taavi90: yup
[12:03] <derock299> if i log into the second partition, i can see the other partition on the left @reisio
[12:03] <reisio> derock299: what?
[12:03] <derock299> i can access the second partition too and some of its files, but the home folder is not showing all the files
[12:03] <taavi90> reisio : i dont find it under /usr/share/applications
[12:04] <cfhowlett> derock299, did you encrypt things??
[12:04] <noelia> Hello again
[12:04] <derock299> no ecryption just my login passwords
[12:04] <Capprentice> ?
[12:04] <derock299> the problem here is i cannot boot the other partition since upgrading to 15.10
[12:04] <derock299> it hangs completely
[12:05] <derock299> i did mount -o remount,rw/ but it doesnt work
[12:05] <KrysTaLiZed> !motu |iceCalt
[12:05] <noelia> How can I find out what ppa's I have installed?
[12:05] <derock299> i tried sudo apt-get remove --purge fglxr* but got errors
[12:05] <noelia> I need to uninstall them with ppa-purge but I don't know their names
[12:06] <derock299> please I need help guys
[12:06] <guest2225> No matter what screencast software I try, Kazam, recordmydesktop, avconv, ffmpeg, vlc, vokoscreen, and no matter what settings I fiddle with, high fps, or compression/no compression, avi/mp4/mkv, the video is always appearing choppy
[12:06] <guest2225> does anyone know why?
[12:07] <guest2225> I am using Ubuntu 14.04
[12:07] <guest2225> thanks
[12:08] <cfhowlett> guest2225, ONLY on self recorded video?  other video plays OK?
[12:08] <hateball> noelia: several ways, quick and dirty "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*"
[12:08] <guest2225> indeed, all the other videos play fine
[12:08] <hateball> noelia: you may want to add some grep magic to that to get what you need
[12:08] <guest2225> it is only when I am trying to record something on the desktop, does this happen
[12:09] <guest2225> I am trying to record an animation that is generated by a program and that does not have the ability to save the animation
[12:10] <guest2225> It is then that the choppiness is observed in the quality
[12:10] <cfhowlett> guest2225, what program cannot save it's own output?
[12:10] <cfhowlett> *its*
[12:10] <guest2225> This is the gloss library of haskell
[12:10] <noelia> hateball Thank you, this is what I get:  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/thopiekar/miraclecast/ubuntu vivid main
[12:11] <noelia> hateball However, there are more .list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:11] <cfhowlett> guest2225, so it outputs a video?  pipe it to vlc and save it from there?
[12:11] <guest2225> when i run the program it produces a window in which the animation occurs
[12:11] <guest2225> but let met try piping
[12:12] <cfhowlett> guest2225, what player displays the video?
[12:12] <derock299> ALl i want is to bring my sytem back to working condition
[12:12] <hateball> noelia: files that are not empty? because it should just spit out line after line
[12:12] <derock299> it hangs completely during start up
[12:13] <cfhowlett> guest2225, perhaps ask the #haskell channel.  I suspect there's a way to capture/save that video without invoking another app.
[12:13] <guest2225> I am not surre that it uses an external player...it seeems that it generates its own window which can display that
[12:13] <cfhowlett> #haskell
[12:13] <guest2225> cfhowlett, indeed that question has been asked on haskell
[12:13] <guest2225> and apparently there is currently no way to save the genrated video
[12:14] <cfhowlett> guest2225, so an app that produces a video without save functionality ... d'oh!
[12:14] <guest2225> seems like it! I was surprised too
[12:15] <noelia> hateball This is the output of "ls" ----->  http://pastebin.com/f1nRppx8
[12:15] <guest2225> Maybe I  misunderstood something or stumbled upon incorrect information, but i searched a lot and I gather that it is not possible
[12:15] <noelia> I mean ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:16] <guest2225> piping into vlc does not work
[12:16] <derock299> could the issue be from my vbox
[12:16] <noelia> hateball these files are empty
[12:16] <guest2225> anyway, i wonder why my screencasts are coming choppy no matter what i do...
[12:16] <guest2225> My laptop is fairly fast
[12:17] <cfhowlett> guest2225, could be you're maxing your gpu's ram
[12:18] <guest2225> cfhowlett, I keep a track of the RAM using conky, and that seems to be fune
[12:18] <guest2225> *fine
[12:18] <cfhowlett> guest2225, I'm officially out of wild a* guesses then.
[12:19] <guest2225> cfhowlett, no problem! Thanks for trying!
[12:20] <derock299> it continued to hang completely, now from the second partition i can see my other drive and some files but i cannot access the content of my home folder
[12:20] <hateball> guest2225: seems you've tried a fair few programs already, but I found https://obsproject.com/download#linux to work well for me
[12:21] <derock299> i did an upgrade on 15.04 to 15.0 , then during reboot i got error that it failed to load kernel
[12:21] <derock299> please I need help guys
[12:24] <fabio_> Hello everyone
[12:25] <fabio_> Can somenone help me? I want to customize the ubuntu logo  on boot
[12:25] <fabio_> where is located?
[12:26] <fabio_> i think is on lib something
[12:26] <derock299>  hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[12:27] <derock299> please can anybody help
[12:27] <noelia> hateball I previously removed the ppa lines with Ubuntu Software Centre
[12:28] <noelia> hateball Now I can't remove the ppa's, I thought removing the lines in Ubuntu Software Centre did the job.
[12:29] <hateball> noelia: have you added them all by using apt-add-repository, or have you manually entered some into /etc/apt/sources.list perhaps?
[12:30] <noelia> hateball I think I entered some of them into /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:30] <noelia> hateball I don't remember
[12:30] <hateball> noelia: well, have a look then :)
[12:31] <noelia> hateball I remember now, I added them in /etc/apt/sources.list, then I erased those lines
[12:32] <noelia> hateball I thought that was enough to erase the ppa's
[12:32] <rato_alado> Boot Logo -> /lib/plymouth/themes or create /usr/share/plymouth/themes
[12:34] <bdonnahue> hello. im tyring to run this command
[12:34] <bdonnahue>  gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 62B4981F
[12:34] <bdonnahue> but im getting a timeout
[12:34] <bdonnahue> can anyone help
[12:43] <sidnei> hi members!
[12:43] <reisio> ohai
[12:44] <sidnei> someware Brazilian?
[12:45] <derock299>  hello please can somebody help me with a precise and detail solution to my problem? i upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10 on one of my partitions, it asked for a reboot to complete installtion, during the reboot i got error that failed to start load kernel modules, then it says check systemct1 and load FUSE control, it continues to ok other checks and finally it hanged completely( freezes). I have tried recovery mode and did mount -o remount,rw/ but still no
[12:53] <derock299> it seems nobody can help me
[12:53] <derock299> thanks
[12:53] <derock299> bye
[12:53] <mac33> hi to everyone
[12:55] <mac33> where can I find (as I'd like to save) streaming flash video from website in ubuntu 15.40. It seems the new flash-plugin has just change the path where I before found the mp4
[12:56] <cfhowlett> videodownloader plugin for firefox is easier
[12:56] <sebastianlutter> how can I check if dependencies of an shared object file are fulfilled on my current ubuntu box? I know ldd and objdump, is there a tool available that follows the link tree in depth?
[12:57] <mekdouglas> flashgot extension for firefox is good too!
[12:57] <mac33> does it work with jw flash plug-in?
[12:59] <mac33> ok...when I'm looking for flash add-on I get a very long list of it
[13:01] <mac33> thank you to all
[13:09] <Knight80> Hello
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:11] <snaik> hi
[13:11] <Knight80> Is it possible to install an ubuntu package designed for wily in Ubuntu 14.04?
[13:12] <Knight80> I need to install Ardour 4, which has more functionalities than Ardour 3, but 14.04 doesn't have Ardour 4 package
[13:12] <cfhowlett> inadviseable.  backports are better.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> failing that: install from sourcce
[13:13] <cookie80> Knight80: maybe it´s easier to install wily on a seperate partition
[13:14] <vooze> hateball, so even after upgrading kernel the problem was still there, but I found a script and modified it from askubuntu :) now it works
[13:17] <hateball> vooze: oh well :)
[13:20] <Knight80> The thing is everybody suggests me not to install ppa's, why is that?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> !ppa | Knight80
[13:20] <Knight80> ok
[13:22] <Horo_horo> Hey
[13:22] <vooze> Knight80, to be honest we all use PPAs (probably) just don't add PPA you dont know what are. Well known PPAs are probably fine :)
[13:24] <Ben64> yeah, if its a ppa that adds say... the newest version of mythtv, it's probably fine. if you add a ppa that updates libc, you might break your system
[13:24] <cfhowlett> vooze, only 1 and only because I was too impatient to wait for 16.04  http://paste.ubuntu.com/13329817/
[13:26] <vooze> cfhowlett, if the PPA just holds one application its not big deal. The problem is if the PPA have maybe 20 apps, and you just want to upgrade one.. and then maybe it will make others unstable.. Or even pull some bad system packages/libs
[13:26] <Knight80> vooze Thank you, I just need to install Ardour 4, which has more functionalities than Ardour 3, that's why I'm going to need to use a PPA
[13:26] <vooze> Knight80, google the app, you should get a link with all the packages inside the PPA :)
[13:26] <vooze> see if it seems okay
[13:26] <Ben64> i have a bunch -- solaar (for logitech wireless mouse), deluge, freecad, dolphin-emu, mpv, minetest, mythtv, firefox pepperflash, android studio, wine
[13:26] <vooze> google the PPA *
[13:27] <Ben64> oh and google-chrome
[13:27] <vooze> Yeah I probably have like 10 PPAs, no big deal :)
[13:27] <vooze> like libreoffice5 etc.
[13:28] <cfhowlett> Knight80, virtualbox + wiley = ardour4
[13:29] <Knight80> Thank you
[13:30] <Knight80> So, you don't recommend me to download Ardour 4 from packages.ubuntu.com and install it on Ubuntu Trusty (14.04)
[13:30] <Knight80> right?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> Knight80, download directly from ardour.org and install.
[13:31] <Knight80> cfhowlett There's no Ubuntu package there
[13:31] <cfhowlett> there is a linux package
[13:32] <Knight80> cfhowlett Source code
[13:32] <cfhowlett> I believe so
[13:33] <librercreation> yo
[13:33] <librercreation> hi !!
[13:34] <cfhowlett> librercreation, this is ubuntu support.  chitchat in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[13:36] <saretta> ciao
[13:36] <Knight80> I asked you this because someone told me once that installing Kxstudio (which contains Ardour 4) over Ubuntu 14.04 was not advisable
[13:36] <saretta> !list
[13:38] <Knight80> And another question: What's the best desktop environment in your opinion? I use xfce...
[13:39] <vooze> Knight80, just use a PPA, dont be so scared :)
[13:39] <vooze> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2015/05/how-to-install-ardour-4-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[13:39] <rk443> galera
[13:39] <vooze> worst thing that can happen is you can purge the PPA
[13:39] <Knight80> vooze Thank you very much :)
[13:40] <vooze> you are welcome :)
[13:41] <vooze> In my view, part of the Linux experience, is to mess around with stuff
[13:41] <Knight80> vooze I agree with you
[13:41] <cfhowlett> Knight80, "best" = then one that works for you!  fwiw: ubuntustudio uses XFCE4
[13:42] <caeve> hello everyone, does gpt (GUID) partition table have any drawbacks with existing file systems or OSes? I never used it, and apparently it is preferrable to MBR
[13:42] <cfhowlett> caeve, are you dualbooting?
[13:43] <caeve> cfhowlett, I have more than one systems on my machine, if I understand your question right
[13:43] <caeve> system*
[13:43] <root3> Hey
[13:43] <root3> Hey
[13:43] <cfhowlett> caeve, IF you system is GPT capable, i.e. newish, should be no problem
[13:44] <caeve> cfhowlett, if 14.04.3 is newish enough, yes :)
[13:44] <cfhowlett> caeve, the MACHINE not the OS :)
[13:45] <caeve> cfhowlett, oh :) no, it is not the newest.
[13:45] <cfhowlett> 2014 or later is probably running on GPT: sudo gdisk -l will tell you
[13:45] <caeve> cfhowlett, how old may the machine be to be compatible?
[13:46] <caeve> cfhowlett, oh, sorry, saw your answer
[13:46] <cfhowlett> caeve, sudo fdisk -l will tell yoiu
[13:47] <caeve> cfhowlett, I cannot find a gpt-related entry in the output
[13:48] <cfhowlett> caeve,  then you are on mbr
[13:48] <caeve> cfhowlett, yes, I'd created my HDD partitions with MBR.
[13:48] <cfhowlett> caeve, you can still dualboot with mbr.
[13:49] <caeve> cfhowlett, my question on gpt relates to external drives. I will not need to boot with it
[13:50] <cfhowlett> caeve, grrr!  little details like that do matter!  :)
[13:50] <cfhowlett> so you want a mbr to boot and a gpt for external storage.  doable
[13:50] <caeve> cfhowlett..sorry!
[13:51] <cfhowlett> but you might need to do so exotic configuring to make that fly.  over my head, but I'd guess a luks type setup.  ask the #ubuntu-server for more expert guidance.
[13:51] <kappa1> http://askubuntu.com/questions/641031/does-ubuntu-store-passwords-from-failed-login-attempts  -  is it possible to save passwords from failed logins?
[13:51] <caeve> cfhowlett, how does encryption relate to compatibility? :)
[13:52] <cfhowlett> it adds a layer of complexity.  again: server channel has more of those types of set-ups.  we mostly do desktop stuff here.
[13:54] <caeve> cfhowlett, I will go there and ask..thank you very much for your help!
[13:54] <cfhowlett> best of luck!
[13:54] <caeve> thank you :)
[13:55] <arch> /lib/firmware << is OK to add firmware directly in to this folder and have it work??!
[13:55] <dupingping> hi, robert_ancell:
[13:55] <cfhowlett> arch, install via the command line.  adding software to random folders cannot end well.
[13:56] <TJ-> caeve: Most BIOS of the last 10 years can read GPT as well as MBR, and UEFI systesm *must* be able to read both.
[13:57] <_ACID_> Hey
[13:57] <arch> cfhowlett, with what via command line web for me?
[13:57] <caeve> TJ- I havent heard of the last one, but my machine is sure younger than 10 years.
[13:59] <arch> cfhowlett, going to web thanks for your help :~)
[14:01] <Daleus> Hi guys, nouveau is broken for tri-monitor on Ubuntu 15.10 (fresh install), however works out of the box on 15.04 - does anyone know the name of the package or packages to pin for nouveau so that tri-monitor works after 15.10 upgrade?
[14:02] <caeve> cfhowlett, TJ- if the output of 'sudo dmidecode -s bios-release-date' means the manufacture date, then it also confirms that the machine is young enough.
[14:03] <TJ-> caeve: its easy to test it; put a basic GRUB install on a GPT USB flash drive and see if GRUB loads
[14:03] <TJ-> caeve: if the BIOS cannot read the GPT it'll report no boot device
[14:03] <vooze> I just made this short guide, how do I make it solved? http://askubuntu.com/questions/699615/how-to-setup-intel-rapid-start
[14:03] <caeve> TJ- sure, I can try that
[14:04] <tsousa> how can i install django version 1.8 when i have version 1.6 in my desktop?
[14:09] <somsip> tsousa: use virtualenv.
[14:15] <Pici> somsip: thanks for suggesting a virtualenv, its nice to see sane python suggestions in here :)
[14:16] <somsip> Pici: in my limited python experience, I did learn that virtualenv saves a lot of headaches.
[14:16] <tsousa> Pici, why is that? people suck at python here?
[14:16] <Pici> tsousa: If you aren't sure how to use a virtualenv, we can give you a hand in setting it up in #python :)
[14:16] <somsip> tsousa: well, it's a bit offtopic really. Go where Pici recommends
[14:17] <Pici> tsousa: no, just that Python best practices are not known to people just familiar with Linux/Ubuntu
[14:18] <reisio> lot of python best practices are just culty nonsense :)
[14:18] <reisio> also, s/python/foo/