[00:00] <methods> no it's not packaging for ubuntu or debian i just want to build a binary
[00:00] <methods> TJ-:  ^
[00:00] <TJ-> methods: Ahhh!
[00:01] <ebs512> anyone else having issues getting gnome themes to work on ubuntu 12.04?
[00:02] <hylian> jamar: sorry for the slow response, a lot to read.
[00:02] <jamar> ok
[00:02] <vezeena> Hi, you know how holding alt+clicking drags the window? I was having problems disabling this, and somehow i've messed it up and now just clicking my mouse drags the window, and i have to hold alt to click normally, what can I do to fix this?
[00:02] <hylian> jamar: can you run this command: sudo lshw -C disk for me in a terminal window and then send me a paste url from http://paste.ubuntu.com/?
[00:02] <jamar> realy need you to help
[00:03] <jamar> sure 1 min
[00:03] <methods> TJ-:  and for that you have no answer ?
[00:04] <TJ-> methods: Not something I do everyday! I've been researching it since you clarified
[00:04] <SnapSnap> After using the terminal, anyone can go through the terminal's history to see what commands I've run. Is there a way to permanently clear the terminal's history, or to prevent that information from being retained in the first place?
[00:04] <ebs512> TJ: do you know what type of themes work best for Ubuntu 2D?
[00:05] <TJ-> SnapSnap: in the user's home directory, check the .*history files
[00:05] <TJ-> ebs512: I don't use them, sorry.
[00:05] <ndowens04> I am trying to apt pin. I have my preferences looking like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184687/
[00:05] <hylian> SnapSnap: I know Terminator has the abaility to clear the history, i think it might even have the ability to stop recording that data in the first place. It's so useful though, that I never used this function...
[00:05] <trism> methods: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot (is one way)
[00:06] <methods> TJ-:  well like i said it keeps uninstalling the other one so it's really strange.. what i did was symlink i386 .so.1 versions to .so and then just point my build process at the right opengl folder based on if i want to build 32 or 64
[00:06] <methods> yea that's just ridiculous honestly to have to install a chroot i don't get why this is so complicated on ubuntu..
[00:06] <jamar> hylian did you get it
[00:07] <hylian> SnapSnap: I take it back, i can't find it on Terminator. I could have sworn it was there.
[00:07] <hylian> jamar: i didn't get the address, no. do you have the addy for the paste?
[00:07] <TJ-> methods: I agree; and for deb package based builds I don't have issues building for i386 on amd64. It's obviously something that can be solved by detecting the correct library path prefix at configure time
[00:07] <SnapSnap> hylian, no problem. I'm thinking that as paranoid as I can be sometimes, Ubuntu may not be the best suited ;P
[00:07] <excelsior> how do I back up my htc android phone with ubuntu?
[00:07] <Jeff_br>  algum brazuka on ?
[00:08] <szal> !br | Jeff_br
[00:08] <vezeena> Hi, you know how holding alt+clicking drags the window? I was having problems disabling this, and somehow i've messed it up and now just clicking my mouse drags the window, and i have to hold alt to click normally, what can I do to fix this?
[00:08] <TJ-> excelsior: Normally you'd do a nandroid backup from recovery, then simply transfer the files from the SD-Card to your PC (maybe using abd or plugging the SD-card directly into your PC)
[00:08] <trism> methods: any other method is mostly a hack until the -dev packages are multiarched
[00:08] <hylian> jamar: i didn't recieve anything, sorry...
[00:09] <ndowens04> While trying to upgrade, it wants to pull from precise-proposed but I don't want it to. I want to explicitly tell APT when I want to install from precise-proposed
[00:09] <blob> SnapSnap: what shell are you using? bash?  set +o history or unset $HISTFILE
[00:09] <jamar> i will send it again
[00:09] <trism> ndowens04: see selectively installing from proposed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[00:10] <blob> SnapSnap: unset HISTFILE
[00:11] <excelsior> TJ-: what's an NANDROID backup (from recovery?)?
[00:11] <hylian> jamar, you need to get the url from your paste after you paste it. when you hit paste, it will then show you a new url on top instead of paste.ubuntu.com, it will look like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184706/. this is what i need.
[00:11] <szal> !pm | Jeff_br
[00:11] <SnapSnap> blob, I'm using Gnome terminal
[00:11] <TJ-> excelsior: If you need to ask that kind of question I suggest you have a good read at XDA forums. Your question is more for Android than it is for Ubuntu
[00:12] <blob> Gnome terminal is just a terminal emulator for X windows. you're still using a shell. try echo $SHELL
[00:12] <jamar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184707/
[00:12] <ndowens04> trism: There we go, thanks
[00:13] <SnapSnap> blob, /bin/bash
[00:13] <jamar> sorry about that but this is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184707/
[00:14] <TJ-> methods: In summary, your issue us caused because the packages you want to install aren't multilib aware yet, and don't use "Multi-Arch: same" in the control file.
[00:15] <methods> trism:  when will that be ?
[00:15] <methods> TJ-:  oh that sucks
[00:15] <trism> methods: supposed to continue after wheezy is released as far as I know
[00:16] <trism> methods: but it will be a work in progress for a while
[00:16] <_r00t_>  /j #archlinux
[00:16] <TJ-> methods: It's a gradual process based on the evolving Debian policy.   Lotta people.
[00:20] <matts45acp> Troy^: ok im done configuring so now how do i acess this thing from another computer
[00:20] <hylian> MrRean: please don't swear :)
[00:21] <MrRean> ._.
[00:21] <jamar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184719/
[00:21] <MrRean> I didnt even pay atention to them :P
[00:21] <Troy^> matts45acp: is the samba service running? if its well go on a windows machine windows key + R then type \\ip.of.machine.\
[00:21] <MrRean> *attention
[00:21] <matts45acp> Troy^: im on an ubuntu machine
[00:22] <matts45acp> Troy^: i wanna acess from ubuntu
[00:22] <Troy^> then why did you use samba lol
[00:22] <hylian> jamar: this is going to be a dumb question most likely, but you do have a cd in the tray, and you do have it closed, and you are running from a fully installed ubuntu??
[00:23] <jamar>  hylian yes
[00:23] <Troy^> if it is between two ubuntu machines http://askubuntu.com/questions/100790/how-to-enable-file-sharing-between-two-pcs if not you should still be able to see your samba shares in your file manager
[00:24] <hylian> jamar: sorry I asked, but you get some strange situations in here, and we have to keep all our bases covered. :)
[00:24] <zx2c4> hey anyone here good at making ubuntu packages?
[00:25] <TJ-> zx2c4: what's your substantive question?
[00:26] <zx2c4> TJ-, i just looking for someone to create an ubuntu package for a project I'm about to release (im a gentoo guy...)
[00:26] <jamar> i have to laptop run same installation on bout its just this one not work which is a hp pavilan dv6704nr
[00:26] <avengre> Hello,  i'm running Ubuntu on grub, i added another HD with an existing Win7 installation from another computer, and now I get a Ubuntu and a Win7 option on the bootloader... can I safely start the Win7 partition, or will it try to 'repair' grub when it launches?
[00:27] <TJ-> zx2c4: It's not too involved to create the debian packaging around a project if it isn't overly complicated by lots of library packages. There's lots of guides. First time I did it, it took me about 45 minutes.
[00:27] <jamar>  hylian:i have two laptop run same installation on bout its just this one not work which is a hp pavilan dv6704nr
[00:27] <hylian> jamar: sorry to make you do all these tests, but I want to make sure I am heading in the right direction. Can you run this in terminal and give me the paste for it?
[00:27] <hylian> jamar: ls -l  /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrw /dev/dvd /dev/dvdrw /dev/scd0 /dev/sr0'
[00:27] <nannes> !ping
[00:27] <jamar> sure
[00:28] <hylian> jamar oops, I meant ls -l  /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrw /dev/dvd /dev/dvdrw /dev/scd0 /dev/sr0
[00:28] <zx2c4> TJ-, want to make me a package?
[00:28] <TJ-> hylian: could I suggest checking kern.log for clues about the disc's insertion, or read errors, etc?
[00:28] <TJ-> zx2c4: nope!
[00:28] <zx2c4> TJ-, too bad
[00:29] <hylian> TJ-: you could to jamar. He has the problem, and I would love any suggestions I can get. :)
[00:29] <jamar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184724/
[00:30] <hylian> TJ-: I was going to have him run dmesg | grep sr0 and see if it says device not ready.
[00:30] <hylian> jamar: can you run this also: dmesg | grep sr0
[00:30] <TJ-> hylian: I've seen some drives that won't open/read drives with open sessions, but other drives would. That's why I suggest reviewing /var/log/kern.log whilst the disk is being inserted and initialised (tail -f /var/log/kern.log and insert disc, and watch the log)
[00:31] <jamar> k
[00:31] <hylian> TJ-: TJ- ls: cannot access /dev/scd0: No such file or directory, what do you think? I am leaning towards a dying/dead drive... or an old one that can't read iso files..??
[00:32] <jamar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184727/
[00:32] <TJ-> hylian: Well that's the device node not a mounted file-system and isn't guaranteed to be present (scdX means SCSI CD)
[00:33] <hylian> TJ-: did you see jamar's post?
[00:34] <TJ-> jamar: eject the disk. At a terminal type "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" then insert the disc into the drive and watch the terminal log as it reports what the kernel is doing. After the log stops scrolling, press Ctrl+C to break out of "tail" then copy the log to pastebin.
[00:34] <TJ-> hylian: Yes; been reading those pastebins
[00:34] <jamar> k
[00:34] <hylian> TJ-: thanks for the suggestions!
[00:35] <e66_> There are 38561 empty files in my home directory. I am a developer so there are lots of projects in home. But isn't the amount high enough? Can I find -empty -type f -exec rm -f {} \; ?
[00:35] <TJ-> hylian: I've learned the hard way... *always* go to the logs first... they will provide hard objective information instead of subjective responses from users
[00:36] <TJ-> e66_: What has been creating them? I'd want to address that as well!
[00:36] <hylian> TJ-: i think i need to dig into where to access these logs more. Any good suggestions for a howto on where to find the logs, or are they mostly in var?
[00:37] <TJ-> hylian: Everything system related is in /var/log/   ... for user X sessions there's ~/.xsession-errors
[00:37] <jamar> it not doing anything just show this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184732/
[00:38] <hylian> TJ-: I would think that e66's file allocation table grows with the creation of each one, even if they are zero kb.
[00:38] <TJ-> hylian: For system issues (all in /var/log/ or lower) dmesg contains just what happened at boot-time. For ongoing kernel reports look at kern.log. For system services look at syslog, for others... well look at the descriptive names of the log files themselves, and the directories which are per-application in /var/log/
[00:38] <hylian> TJ-: thanks again.
[00:38] <avengre-server> Happy?
[00:38] <e66_> TJ-:  firefox, some gnome project source, Some ides
[00:39] <TJ-> hylian: I'd have expected to see something from the drive when the disk was attached. It suggests the drive isn't talking to the kernel correctly for some reason
[00:39] <jamar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184732/
[00:40] <hylian> TJ-: true, all i see here is net traffic. Unfortunately here is where i beg off, because this is "above my paygrade" or more aptly, above my knowledge level.
[00:40] <TJ-> e66_: You can use that 'find' construct to delete them... best always to do a test run using "... echo {} \; | less" before doing a "rm {} \;" first though - just in case it's going to delete something important!
[00:40] <TJ-> hylian: :D
[00:40] <bazhang> jamar, no need to repaste that 6 times
[00:40] <e66_> TJ-:  do you think I can inspect 38k files manually?
[00:40] <e66_> !
[00:40] <TJ-> jamar: Let me see what happens here, wait a couple of minutes
[00:41] <jamar> ok
[00:41] <TJ-> e66_: file names, sure! I'd be looking to ensure that find wasn't deleting things from sub--sub-directories that might be needed. You might use -maxdepth=XXX to control how deep 'find' operates, to be safe
[00:42] <L1> I reinstalled Win7 and Ubuntu last night, and did some stuff with gparted on my SSD, and my 500GB hard drive (deleting, moving, creating partitions). All working great. However, my 3TB hard drive has somehow been affected (I'm 500% sure I didn't do any operations on it in gparted...). When i boot into Windows, the 3TB drive shows as RAW. However, when I boot into Ubuntu, it can read the data fine (I assume it is reading it as NTFS)
[00:42] <L1> Any ideas how to fix this?
[00:42] <hylian> TJ-: this is probably not the greatest idea, but what if he attempted to directly mount to sr0, maybe using the force tag? ohh, wait, i think force is for ntfs only... what do  yout think?>
[00:42] <matts45acp> Troy^: ok im seeing 2 sftp now in network list
[00:43] <matts45acp> why is there 2
[00:43] <Troy^> sftp?
[00:43] <matts45acp> Troy^: why is there 2
[00:43] <jamar> same thing nothing change
[00:43] <TJ-> jamar: Inserting an empty disc there are no messages to kern.log ... I'll try a disc with content now
[00:44] <Troy^> matts45acp: ps -aux | grep sftp
[00:44] <usr13> L1: Maybe pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l  and some of us could look at what you have and you can point out where the anomaly really is.
[00:44] <matts45acp> Troy^: whats that do
[00:44] <usr13> L1: sudo fdisk -l |pastebinit
[00:44] <Troy^> shows you the processed for sftp running matts45acp
[00:44] <L1> usr13: Allright, I'll get on to that when I reboot into ubuntu. Thanks
[00:45] <usr13> ok
[00:45] <matts45acp> Troy^: do it one the server machine or another machine?
[00:45] <Troy^> ?????
[00:45] <Troy^> you said sftp. i have no idea what sftp is or what machine it is on
[00:45] <TJ-> jamar: hylian: an Ubuntu live CD gives 2 messages in kern.log and syslog: "Sep  4 01:44:47 hephaestion kernel: [39818.983517] ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3, Sep  4 01:44:47 hephaestion kernel: [39819.099527] ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A"
[00:45] <[snake]> Troy^, sftp is ssh file transfer protocol
[00:46] <Troy^> -_- lol.. ok
[00:46] <zykotick9> Troy^: fyi it's "ps aux" the - is incorrect, see the output ;)
[00:46] <TJ-> jamar: The disc you're inserting, is it one you've burned yourself? If so, did you burn it on a different PC?
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> zykotick9: thats the bsd standard ;). Linu standard is 'ps -ef'
[00:47] <Troy^> zykotick9: still spits out the same stuff :P
[00:47] <usr13> zykotick9: I think it works either way.
[00:47] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: agreed. but "ps -aux" says "Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'?"
[00:47] <hylian> L1: this article might help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1791032. in either case, be very careful not to mount that drive, and let the software handle it.
[00:47] <ActionParsnip> usr13: it does but not all distros will use the aux option for ps
[00:47] <usr13> O
[00:48] <matts45acp> [snake]: why is it showing 2
[00:48] <jamar> i insert a regular dvd not bootleg
[00:48] <L1> hylian: Thanks, I'll have a read
[00:48] <[snake]> if I use mv with sudo will it keep all of the permissions.
[00:48] <usr13> Well, just did it on mine and seems to the same work either way.
[00:48] <matts45acp> [snake]: sftp
[00:48] <[snake]> matt_m, what?
[00:48] <[snake]> oops
[00:48] <TJ-> jamar: Is it a movie DVD? with encryption?
[00:48] <[snake]> what is showing 2 matts45acp
[00:49] <matts45acp> one says for matthew on the ip adreess and the other for just ip adress
[00:49] <hylian> jamar: he isn't asking if it's a bootleg. he is aking if  it is a burned iso from another computer. ISO's are not illegal.
[00:49] <jamar> no i just put in my next pc it work fine
[00:49] <usr13> jamar: Is it a DVD movie?
[00:49] <matts45acp> [snake]: both look the same when opened
[00:50] <jamar> sorry i install it from a flash drive
[00:50] <[snake]> matts45acp, I'm not sure what you're asking. Please ask specifically what you need in one line :)
[00:50] <hylian> TJ-: i don't know if you saw that, but he put the cd into another pc, and it reads fine.
[00:50] <jamar> using unetbootin
[00:50] <TJ-> jamar: hylian: For a movie DVD I see this in kern.log: "Sep  4 01:49:50 hephaestion kernel: [40121.603513] UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount ...  Sep  4 01:49:50 hephaestion kernel: [40121.661083] UDF-fs: INFO Mounting volume 'SHREK', timestamp 2001/09/19 05:40 (103c)"
[00:50] <usr13> jamar:  What is your question?
[00:51] <usr13> TJ-: & jamar  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[00:51] <TJ-> usr13: Just what I was thinking
[00:51] <hylian> jamar: does the burned cd work anywhere else? because using unetbootin to put an iso on a flash drive does not mean the cd burned correctly.
[00:53] <TJ-> jamar: So, let's be clear. The PC has ubuntu on that was installed from a USb flash drive using unetbootlin, and how you're having problems loading a movie studio's original movie DVD?
[00:53] <usr13> hylian: So jamar is having difficulty trying to boot an install DVD?  (I'm guessing I do not understand the issue, so sorry for that).
[00:53] <hylian> jamar: if this cd is a dvd or blueray, and you have the iso image on your computer, does running the iso through totem work?
[00:53] <TJ-> jamar: s/how you're/now you're/
[00:53] <jamar> i did have window on it but when i was runing ubuntu as a alondside it i got a error so i abort from then cd/dvd drive never work
[00:54] <jamar> so i so a flash drive to run installation
[00:54] <usr13> jamar: What is your native language?
[00:54] <TJ-> jamar: So in summary then, you've got a FAULTY DVD drive that even Windows couldn't use!
[00:54] <hylian> usr13: to be honest i don't know exactly what the issue is. thanks for any help you can give. I thought it was maybe a bad drive, but all my tests are negative on that front... so the likelyhood of a bad drive being the culprit is low.
[00:54] <jamar> no just a cd-rw
[00:54] <TJ-> jamar: It's a CD-RW drive that Windows couldn't use?
[00:54] <usr13> hylian: I C
[00:54] <jamar> jamaica
[00:55] <luisg> Alguien que hable español??
[00:55] <hylian> !espanol | luisg
[00:55] <luisg> someone??
[00:56] <usr13> #ubuntu-es
[00:56] <hylian> luisg: sorry, no hable en espanol.
[00:56] <jamar> now its not working not even the window cd
[00:56] <usr13> jamar: Sounds like bad media.
[00:56] <TJ-> jamar: Sounds like the physical drive has a fault to me
[00:57] <jamar> what should i do then
[00:57] <usr13> jamar: Or, yes, as TJ- suggest, may also be bad drive.
[00:57] <usr13> jamar: Well, we don't know.  This is beyond the scope of our abilities.
[00:58] <luisg> thank you!!
[00:58] <TJ-> jamar: hylian: usr13 I'm seeing lots of hits for the "DVDRAM GSA-T20L" drive and "problem disappeared"
[00:58] <jamar> it was working fine befor i tried installing ubuntu alongside it
[00:58] <hylian> jamar: I am afraid I have to concur with usr13 and TJ-. there is a good chance the drive is bad.
[00:58] <jamar> oh k
[00:59] <usr13> jamar: In other words, it is more-than-likely a hardware issue.
[00:59] <jamar> it a new pc like 6month i wonder if i could bring it back
[00:59] <TJ-> jamar: The fact Ubuntu/Linux reports the drive info accurately suggests the operating system can talk to the drive, but when it comes to reading media, the drive is somehow faulty
[00:59] <usr13> jamar: Possibly, but rule out the possibility of bad media first.
[01:00] <jamar> k
[01:00] <hylian> jamar: yeah, that's a great idea. take the cd to another pc if you can and make sure it isnt bad.
[01:00] <WeThePeople> hi
[01:00] <usr13> jamar: If you have or can borrow any other type of media that the drive is supposed to be able to read, try it and see.
[01:01] <bikcmp> hi.  i'd like a way to run an application as a user every time my machine starts up.
[01:01] <bikcmp> it's a terminal application.
[01:01] <bikcmp> i'd normally do something with init.d, but i'm not sure how to do the "run as a user" part.
[01:01] <jamar> you want me to take out the dvd drom drive
[01:02] <TJ-> jamar: hylian usr13 I found this: http://www.computing.net/answers/hardware/bad-dvd-drive/82269.html
[01:02] <LiDaR> hi
[01:02] <usr13> bikcmp: There is a GUI interface for "Startup Applications"
[01:02] <hylian> bikcmp: if you have to pass a lot of flags, my fave application is terminator. you can run a commmand like terminator -x irssi --connect irc.freenode.org. you put that in a menu editor like alacarte, and now  you have a maneu entry in the menu. you can also then make it a booting command. terminator is awesome.
[01:02] <bikcmp> usr13: this will be on a machine in which does not have a gui.
[01:03] <bikcmp> maybe this would have been better suited at #ubuntu-server, actually
[01:03] <bikcmp> hylian: fwiw... it's freenode.net
[01:03] <hylian> bikcmp: never mind, terminator is gui.
[01:03] <TJ-> jamar: hylian usr13 I also found this "A similar problem was recently solved by adjusting the Drive Configuration in the BIOS to "Configure SATA as IDE" rather than AHCI. Some of the recent SATA and IDE controllers have been identified as the problem."
[01:03] <bikcmp> hylian: yeah
[01:04] <bikcmp> hylian: i've just asked in #ubuntu-server :)
[01:04] <jamar> fix the bios
[01:04] <hylian> jamar: if you feel safe about using entering the bios, TJ-'s idea would be worth a try.
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: if you want to make startup items, you can symlink the files in /usr/share/applications to ~/.config/autostart  and it willrun once the user logs in to the desktop UI
[01:05] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: but i don't have a gui
[01:05] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: i should have asked in -server
[01:05] <TJ-> hylian: jamar The thing with changing the BIOS setting is that any SATA devices will lose some functionality that will slow them down in some circumstances
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: if you want to add startup things in server its fairly simple
[01:05] <jamar> sure try anything so wath to do
[01:05] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: i know how to make something run at bootup using init.d... only thing is i don't know how to make it run as a user
[01:05] <jamar> ok
[01:06] <jamar> so what to do
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: you can call the in /etc/rc.local   above the 'exit 0' line, if the command runs for a long time, add an ampersand to the end of the command so that it is backgrounded and the boot can continue
[01:06] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: amersand = &?
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: yes
[01:06] <LeChacal> Hello, question. I have a script that I run regularly from the gui and every time it ask if I want to "run in terminal, display, cancel, or run. Is there some way I can't bypasses this and have it just automatically run?
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: eh? i'd want it to run when the server is up and running and nothing else is loading
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: yes it runs just before the login prompt shows
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: ah
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: ok.
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: now how would I drop privileges...
[01:07] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: quick commands won't need the ampersand as they will impact boot very little
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: well
[01:07] <hylian> jamar: i would write down or print off the info TJ- gave you. then reboot the machine, and use the key combo to gain access to your bios. you have to be rather quick, the bios option is only available for a second or two. the usual keys to gain access to the bios are f1, delete, and f10. but they can be other keys. if you can find a option like what TJ mentioned in your bios, make the switch, save the configuration, and then reboot and see if ubuntu
[01:07] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: my application doesn't fork into the background.
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: to run a command as another user, you can use su -c   in the command
[01:08] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: -b            run command in the background
[01:08] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: in sudo.  interesting...
[01:08] <WeThePeople> lechacal, what thye of file is it?
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: its su, not sudo
[01:08] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: ah. i was looking at sudo before you even said anything
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: the commands all run as root, root can run commands as any user it likes
[01:09] <LeChacal> WeThePeople, it is a bash script, .sh
[01:09] <jamar> ok so where is the step
[01:09] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: perfect.  that was exactly what i was looking for.
[01:09] <jamar> are print
[01:09] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: thank you so much.
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: read examples online, as well as: man su
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: np dude
[01:10] <fragmachine> can anyone help me get execigraph working in conky?
[01:10] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: now i can automate my stuff so if my server reboots i'm not in a pickle! ;)
[01:10] <jamar> tj can i have that print
[01:11] <Guest24410> hello
[01:11] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: you could also use cron with   @boot ;)
[01:11] <hylian> jamar: i gave you the steps, TJ- gave you what to look for. you are looking for an option that says "use sata as ide (or eide)". It could say it a few different ways. if you find something similar to this, switch the option to on, and save the configuration and exit. then reboot, and see if that cd/dvd works.
[01:11] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: !!
[01:12] <jamar> ok ty
[01:12] <Guest24410> How do I get the close button from the left of the window to the right?
[01:12] <hylian> TJ- usr13, thank you for helping.
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184773/
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: I use similar :)
[01:13] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: i'm about to test the rc.local.
[01:13] <bikcmp> if that works, well, it works
[01:13] <bikcmp> haha
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: yes, thats the one on my file/print server, if you drop a pdf in /home/andy/Downloads/print/ it will print it then delete the file
[01:13] <usr13> bikcmp: notice line 15
[01:13] <bikcmp> nice
[01:13] <usr13> bikcmp: notice line 16
[01:14] <bikcmp> er
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: it uses the ampersand so that the process gets backgrounded :)
[01:14] <usr13> Sorry 15 was typo
[01:14] <bikcmp> usr13: interesting...
[01:14] <bikcmp> 16 looks like a typo
[01:14] <bikcmp> why would you exit?
[01:14] <THE_GFR|WORK>  hey everyone does anyone know of an eSATA card that supports FIS switching, and supports linux and isn't based on marvell chips?
[01:14] <bikcmp> unless line 17+ and over is /usr/bin/printcheck...
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: its 2 files in one, the script immediately follows the rc.local (which ends with exit 0)
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: yes
[01:14] <usr13> bikcmp: line 17 also
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> its dirty but it works
[01:15] <bikcmp> ick.
[01:15] <Guest24410> I guess nobody knows, sweet.
[01:15] <hylian> Guest24410: on Unity?
[01:15] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: this sucks.  what's the working directory when a script is started from rc.local?
[01:15] <LiDaR> Guest24410: type /nick unique-name
[01:15] <bikcmp> (i'm considering perhaps just cding before?
[01:15] <bikcmp> )
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> bikcmp: i believe /root   I suggest you use absolute paths
[01:16] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: also... another ick.
[01:16] <Guest24410> LiDaR I did type the nick thing, but it won't work.
[01:16] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: it looks like rc.local is just looping and looping.
[01:16] <bikcmp> i want it to run once.  at boot.
[01:16] <hylian> Guest24410: you want to put the window controls on the right, in Unity? (the desktop that comes with Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10?)
[01:16] <bikcmp> (should i try crontab?)
[01:16] <new2ubuntu> yes
[01:17] <new2ubuntu> I installed gnome and tried gnome classic and still can't change anything or ad apts.
[01:17] <hylian> new2ubuntu: was that yes for me? to send me a message, start typing my nick (hylian) and then press the tab button. like this hylian:
[01:17] <new2ubuntu> I like to play with themes and customizing.
[01:18] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: ok.  i've got it.  now, last thing- how would I set the working directory?
[01:18] <new2ubuntu> hylian, thank you sir, that's easier
[01:18] <bikcmp> cd /home/blah/xyz/; ./server.sh?
[01:19] <hylian> new2ubuntu: to be honest, the closest I get to modding anything graphical is to install other desktop environments. I know that the default for xfce and lxde is that the window controls are on the right. That's about as useful i am going to be, i don't modify anything gui past my wallpaper.
[01:20] <new2ubuntu> hylian, I can see that the developers didn't want anything customized. :(
[01:20] <hylian> new2ubuntu: I do know that there are a lot of xfce4 mods. gnome3 has a few, and you might find a few unity mods, but both of these options are in there infancy, having just come out a year or so back.
[01:21] <new2ubuntu> hylian, where do I get those? Do I install them with the ubuntu software like I did gnome desktop?
[01:21] <L1> usr13: http://pastebin.com/wAm408K5   Here is "sudo fdisk -l" regarding drive marked as RAW in windows but seems to be working in ubuntu. The drive in question is /dev/sda. Looks like it is reporting as a Guid Partition table rather than NTFS
[01:23] <L1> Someone suggested "testdisk", while other googling has uncovered "ntfs-tools" - any suggestions? I assume I'm needing to rewrite the partition header?
[01:23] <new2ubuntu> hylian, can I get it with sudo apt-get install "desktop like xfc or lubuntu"?
[01:23] <OerHeks> try my-unity ( in softwarecentre) or ubuntu-tweak (not is softwarecentre), to customize & tweak
[01:24] <hylian> new2ubuntu: you usually have to do direct tweaking yourself. you will not find them in the software center. if you find one you like, sometimes you can get it in a .deb package, and then you can use gdebi package manager to install it. that's as automated as your gonna get. here is one that makes unity look like a mac. if that floats your boat. http://ubuntuguide.net/install-macbuntu-to-make-ubuntu-11-04-unity-look-like-mac-os-x
[01:25] <OerHeks> hmm macbuntu, it is known to wreck your system.
[01:25] <new2ubuntu> hylian, Have you tried zorinOS? it's based on ubuntu 12.04 but it's got problems with the compiz and other issues.
[01:26] <hylian> new2ubuntu: there are a few xfce4 themes available in the software center. look under xfce. the reason why i mention xfce is, at current it's the only decent desktop environment (imho) that has been in development long enough to acquire modding attention. KDE can be very modded, but is too buggy for my tastes. but it can look very very nice.
[01:27] <ebs512> nothing is fixing these broken packages so I can install gnome-shell-extensions-common
[01:27] <new2ubuntu> It looks like windows 7 and is very nice, but if you try to tweak it or change the looks, you messed the whole system up and will have to reinstall it. hylian
[01:27] <TJ-> L1: This process may help you convert the disk from GPT to msdos/MBR label, if that's the issue with Windows reading it. However, I thought Windows can read GPT, which if correct would suggest another issue
[01:27] <TJ-> L1: http://www.ehow.com/how_12119053_convert-gpt-mbr-linux.html
[01:27] <hylian> new2ubuntu: no i Haven't. I will have to look it up. I am always looking for unique distros. You know, i don't want to shy you away from ubuntu, but linux mint has a lot more mods available, and is based on ubuntu, and even uses ubuntu's software a lot.
[01:28] <xangua> new2ubuntu: hylian and it's not supported here
[01:29] <new2ubuntu> go to distrowatch.com and it's there, just released the newest version of it. I couldn't get it to download past 35 kbps so I gave up. hylian
[01:29] <new2ubuntu> xangua, what's not supported here?
[01:29] <champlo> so i tried asking in android but its dead, this is for anyone whos knowledgable in the android build environment, im currently in the process of repo and would like to know if repo will resume at a later date or time if i were to become disconnected, will it overwrite everything or scan from the last broken file downloaded and resume?
[01:29] <hylian> new2ubuntu: linux mint. it's not supported here.
[01:30] <root_> ???
[01:30] <LiDaR> !mint
[01:30] <new2ubuntu> I have that and it's nice, but I can't get the compiz or anything to work with it.
[01:30] <root_> zhe shi shen me ???
[01:30] <new2ubuntu> !ZorinOS
[01:31] <hylian> new2ubuntu: it looks like ubottu doesn't know anything about that.
[01:31] <new2ubuntu> yeah, I tried to see what it's opinion is
[01:32] <hylian> new2ubuntu: so your main intent is to get compiz to function? not so much modding, as making graphical changes like lighting effects?
[01:32] <new2ubuntu> hylian, that bot sent me a PM saying that it doesn't know anything about zorinos lol
[01:32] <TJ-> L1: As its a Windows issue the windows tools might reveal more about what is upsetting Windows. As well as looking in the Windows Event Log, check this MSDN article out, its very useful http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/gg463525.aspx
[01:34] <MrGizmo757> dose anybody know how to open Multiple instances of Mplayer?   it works out of the box with VLC but i cant figure out how to get M-player to work this way
[01:34] <L1> TJ- Thank you, I'll check out those links. In Windows it is marked as RAW when I go into Disk Management. This drive should not be bootable at all - it's purely data
[01:34] <hylian> new2ubuntu: i wish i was a compiz wiz, but I go in a unilaterally different direction. I'm the guy that does everything he can in the console, and when he needs a gui, runs things like openbox. I am the anti pretty.
[01:34] <new2ubuntu> MrGizmo757, I think it would be in the settings if I remember correctly
[01:34] <bikcmp> ActionParsnip: i was able to get it working.  awesome, thanks.
[01:35] <TJ-> L1: with GPT, Windows expects certain specific GUIDs to be present. I'm guessing something may have changed in that respect
[01:35] <MrGizmo757> i looked. i didnt see anything like that in there.  and i didnt mean Mplayer i mean Movie player. the stock ubuntu player. My bad.
[01:35] <kure> anyone here recommends good console games?
[01:35] <kure> i've been playing pacman4console for a while and loved the text interface
[01:35] <hylian> kure: I like bsdgames for a starter.
[01:36] <new2ubuntu> nice, hylian, I'm trying to learn the terminal commands. I can do the "sudo apt-get install" command. :)
[01:36] <hylian> new2ubuntu: sudo apt-get install, update and upgrade are the first 3 i suggest. your on a roll!
[01:36] <[snake]> new2ubuntu, kool! keep practicing and maybe one day you will install gentoo for fun or something
[01:36] <new2ubuntu> I had PSlinuxOS full-monty before and I couldn't do anything with it. for none of the commands used in ubuntu works with that one.
[01:37] <MrGizmo757> Totem i think its called
[01:37] <hylian> new2ubuntu: yeah, pslinuxos is a collection of rpm's and ubuntu is debian packages, it's like the difference beetween the earth and the moon if you are installing or upgrading anything.
[01:38] <TJ-> L1: I found this mention "I've had a few drives go RAW recently, in the middle of copying like you, and it was caused by poor electric connections (using a poorly made Molex doubler). Most of the time, Windows 7 was able to repair the problem at the next reboot, so definitely something linked to the MBR or the MFT" at   http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1617748
[01:38] <ammw> anyone here
[01:39] <hylian> ammw: a lot of people are here
[01:39] <ammw> hylian can you help me with audio and resolution problems
[01:39] <new2ubuntu> the skype on that system kept closing out, so I tried updating it by using... apt-get uninstall skype and then reinstalling it won't work. ooopes
[01:39] <hylian> ammw: i can try, but I am no wiz. let's take a crack at it though.
[01:39] <[snake]> ammw, just ask
[01:40] <new2ubuntu> then on the website to get skype, I didn't know which to download. it didn't have pslinuxos as a linux distro. hylian
[01:40] <ammw> well i just installed ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop dual boot but now i have no sound and resolution is wrong im on amd motherboard
[01:40] <ActionParsnip> ammw: maverick isnt supported anymore
[01:41] <ammw> so i have to upgrade?
[01:41] <m6d4> ammw: why you install the old version in first place ?
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> ammw: the OS will run, you will just get zero updates and zero support here
[01:41] <devnill> I've installed xfce and want to switch the windows manager to compiz. I can do this by typing compiz --replace ccp but I'd like it to persist beyond logout. Where can I change compiz to be my default?
[01:41] <L1> TJ- Thank you very much! I will continue to investigate
[01:41] <ammw> k ill upgrade then is 11.0 supported?
[01:41] <ActionParsnip> ammw: I suggest you clean install with Precise, not only will you getto the latst stable release faster, it is also LTS so supported unitil 2017
[01:42] <TJ-> L1: Is the drive in an external caddy/enclosure?
[01:42] <ActionParsnip> ammw: 11.10 and 11.04 are still supported, 11.04 is EOL in October 2012
[01:42] <ammw> well i did a clean install about hour ago with live cd
[01:42] <xangua> devnill: set compiz --replace as startup, i don't remember how it's done in xfce but there is the #xubuntu channel it might help
[01:42] <devnill> thanks xangua
[01:42] <new2ubuntu> ammw, 10.04 is better then 10.10 and I think it's still supported.
[01:43] <hylian> new2ubuntu: first you have to access software center. then click edit, and go to "software sources". then choose other, and click on "canonical partners". thenin console, sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade, and then sudo apt-get install skype.
[01:43] <xangua> new2ubuntu: for only 8 months more
[01:43] <ammw> only reason i used 10.10 is because its what i had lieing around but ill upgrade to 11.0 see if it fixes my problems
[01:43] <rgenito> yo yo yo
[01:43] <xangua> ammw: it'd be easier to download and install latest version
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: lucid is EOL in april next year
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: well, on desktop
[01:44] <hylian> new2ubuntu: i fogot to mention, you need to close software center before using apt-get..
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> If memory serves, hardy server will be too
[01:44] <new2ubuntu> hylian, I don't have that problem now. I have the newest version installed, thank you for the help though.
[01:44] <L1> TJ- Nope, it's an internal drive. About 2 months old, so I would hope it's not a hardware issue (perhaps a bad molex would be possible though like that link mentioned)
[01:45] <hylian> rgenito: hello
[01:45] <hylian> new2ubuntu: oops. overly eager. :)
[01:46] <TJ-> L1: I'm reading about some faulty controller chipsets and wrap-around when writing past 2GB capacity (the sector numbers stored in a 32-bit integer wrap around to zero when they get past 2GB and therefore overwrite the first sectors of the disk, causing the index to be lost and the disk showing as RAW in Windows
[01:46] <TJ-> L1: Maybe Linux is more tolerant of such issues
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: i used to say yo o yo when I joined but an op moaned at me to stop (sad times)
[01:46] <new2ubuntu> ammw, if you upgrade to 11.0 you won't be able to change anything or add apts like in the older version, I recommend if you like the older version to install 10.04 LTS. If you really want everything to work, install the newest version!
[01:46] <hylian> new2ubuntu: you might like gnome better. it is very "pretty". I love the transitions. it's a bit much for me, but it will put your window control on the right side.
[01:48] <new2ubuntu> hylian, No I tried it and didn't like it. I like the windows look. You know, menu on left bottom and panal on bottom, none of this side bar and stuff.
[01:48] <rgenito> ActionParsnip: aww man, sorry to hear that
[01:48] <rgenito> anyone here runnin ubuntu 12.04 ?
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: check my wiki ;)
[01:49] <hylian> new2ubuntu: well then you will love xfce or lxde. it's very easy with both to do just that. I kind of like it not looking like windows, but I am proud to be a linux geek, so... :)
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: indeed I am
[01:49]  * rgenito waits for many replies
[01:49] <new2ubuntu> I have lubuntu 12.04 on my old desktop, it looks good, but I hate the menu. it's just plain text, no looks or eye candy, hylian
[01:49] <rgenito> does anyone know how to start a plain, blank X session at boot time?
[01:49] <hylian> rgenito: i am
[01:49] <rgenito> (in ubuntu 12.04)
[01:50] <hylian> rgenito: the closest i get is running openbox. so you want x running, but no gui loaded? just trying to figure out what your trying to accmomplish here...
[01:51] <ActionParsnip> openbox rocks
[01:51] <rgenito> hylian: correct, i want X running on this headless system
[01:51] <hylian> ActionParsnip: you know it man!
[01:51] <rgenito> i want X to run so that my scripts can take advantage of the X session with the GPU's drivers
[01:52] <hylian> rgenito: i don't know how to do that. i could try and google it.
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: I'd use an openbox session (no DE)
[01:52] <rgenito> ActionParsnip: "DE"?
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: desktop environment, openbox can run as it is
[01:52] <hylian> rgenito: no desktop environment. openbox is very very basic. it runs grpahical apps, but is very very light on resources.
[01:53] <rgenito> ahh ok
[01:53] <rgenito> will it run being available to all users?
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> rgenito: yes
[01:53] <hylian> rgenito: i believe so,
[01:54] <new2ubuntu> hylian, is openbox lighter then Lxde or xfce?
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: LXDE uses openbox as its WM by default, so yes
[01:54] <hylian> new2ubuntu: ohh yeah. openbox is about as light as you can get and still run x.
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: openbox is lighter than lxde + openbox
[01:55] <Artemis3> window manager vs desktop environment
[01:55] <hylian> new2ubuntu: if you install openbox though, i suggest obmenu. obmenu will allow you to program the openbox menu. I also suggest feh and gmrun.
[01:55] <new2ubuntu> ok cool, My other computer is a desktop running 512 mb memory and old P3 processor. it's runs Lubuntu pretty good. hylian
[01:56] <hylian> new2ubuntu: I should say, obmenu will let you add entries to the openbox menu, because it's not programming.
[01:56] <new2ubuntu> well my desktop doesn't have internet to install anything, I just use it for my financial information with gnumeric or whatever that spread sheet is called.
[01:57] <hylian> ActionParsnip: what do you use for a run dialogue? i've been using gmrun with openobox. (and feh, and obmenu...)
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> hylian: guake, I have a tab to run junk in
[01:59] <hylian> ActionParsnip: ahh. yes I like guake too. not a bad idea. my setup in the autostart runs nm-applet, feh for background, and has terminator as a control alt t key combo, and gmrun as alt-f2. i use pcmanfm for my file manager. what do you use?
[02:00] <new2ubuntu> hey hylian what is the xfce desktop called? so I can use the terminal. for it isn't in ubuntu software center.
[02:00] <hylian> new2ubuntu: well it is really secure then!
[02:01] <rhombus> When I install adobe flash plugin for firefox, the system tells me it is installed, but it does nothing -- restarting firefox doesn't help, there is no flash plugin.
[02:01] <rhombus> What gives?
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> hylian: mrun is nice, good tab completion
[02:01] <hylian> new2ubuntu: it is called xfce. but if you want to install it, you can use sudo apt-get install xfce4, or xubuntu. sudo apt-get xubuntu will give you all the bells and whistles that come with xfce for ubuntu.
[02:01] <Artemis3> hylian, xubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <hylian> rhombus: you need to install flash via the software center.
[02:02] <hylian> new2ubuntu: xubuntu-desktop is the name of the package, my bad.
[02:02] <rhombus> hylian: I tried to do that... I used muon software center.
[02:02] <new2ubuntu> so what's the differents? hylian
[02:03] <usr13> xfce4 rocks  :)
[02:03] <new2ubuntu> usr13, what's the difference in xubuntu and xfce4?
[02:03] <hylian> rhombus: muon software center? never heard of that. how about sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer in the terminal
[02:04] <usr13> new2ubuntu: xubuntu is Ubuntu running xfce4 as it's Desktop Enviornment
[02:04] <usr13> that's all...
[02:04] <hylian> new2ubuntu: xfce is the very basic desktop environment. xubuntu adds all the extras made for it by ubuntu, including the mods i was referring to before.
[02:04] <Artemis3> new2ubuntu, you have to see the list of packages to see the difference
[02:04] <alexr2> I'm trying to resize my boot partition so that i can install another OS on the same drive as ubuntu.  GParted isn't letting me do that, any insight as to why?
[02:04] <rhombus> hylian: "flashplugin-installer is already the newest version."
[02:05] <new2ubuntu> ok, so xubuntu is the best one to install.
[02:05] <hylian> rhombus: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:05] <usr13> new2ubuntu: Yea, as hylian points out, it is xfce4 dolled up with some extra bells / whistles.
[02:05] <rhombus> hylian: 12.04 LTS
[02:05] <Artemis3> new2ubuntu, xubuntu needs more memory as it uses more programs by default
[02:05] <Jordan_U> alexr2: You need to boot into a LiveCD/USB to resize the FS (it can't be done while you're booted from it).
[02:06] <new2ubuntu> rhombus, what browser are you using? sometimes that happens on other browsers like opera. I had that same issue too.
[02:06] <rhombus> new2ubuntu: firefox, also installed via the software center.
[02:07] <rhombus> I am trying to install restricted extras now, to see if that helps.
[02:07] <new2ubuntu> rhombus, try uninstalling flash and then go to the website and download it from there.
[02:07] <rhombus> new2ubuntu: ok...
[02:08] <new2ubuntu> it will prompt you to close the browser, and then it willl work, well with my luck anyway lol
[02:08] <hylian> rhombus: that is strange. I am using firefox with flash installed via apt-get, and their is no problems here... is there a chance you are running a 64 bit version of ubuntu, and you installed the 64 bit plugin somehow? the 64 bit plugin doesn't work currently via ubuntu
[02:09] <alexr2> Thanks Jordan_U
[02:09] <Jordan_U> alexr2: You're welcome.
[02:09] <new2ubuntu> is ubuntu going to come out with 128 bit version?
[02:09] <rhombus> hylian: no, this is a 32 bit machine, and since it is running, I doubt that I installed the 64 bit version...
[02:10] <dj_segfault> Hi.   I just upgraded my server from ubuntu 10.14 to kubuntu 12.04.  It's running MythTV.  My mythclient boxes, still running 10.04, can't connect because the schema is different.  Is there a way of upgrading mythtv-client on 10.04 to the latest stable?
[02:10] <new2ubuntu> rhombus, did you try what I said and did it work for you?
[02:10] <hylian> ActionParsnip: say, I was looking for a way to shut down the computer while still logged into openbox. For some reason the old shutdown commands don't work on the laptop... any suggestions?
[02:10] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: 64bit can reference up to 4Eb of RAM and can do most anything you can need
[02:11] <rhombus> new2ubuntu: no, I haven't got that far yet.
[02:11] <ebs512> can someone help me with a broken packages error, I have tried  sudo apt-get install -f
[02:11] <ebs512>  and it says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded so I'mnot able to fix this held broken packages error I have when trying to install gnome-shell-extensions or gnome-shell-extensions-common
[02:11] <ActionParsnip> hylian: can you expand on 'shutdown the computer' it implies power off which will kill openbox
[02:11] <ThaoLinh> alo
[02:11] <hylian> new2ubuntu: there is hardly any 128bit hardware on the planet currently. when the market starts selling it in mass, canonical will definatly start making a 128 bit version.
[02:12] <rhombus> more bits = better.
[02:12] <new2ubuntu> well that question was just for fun, sorry for posting it!
[02:12]  * rhombus wants more bits! 256 bits! 512 bits!
[02:12] <usr13> ebs512: What error does it give?  pastebinit?
[02:12] <hylian> ActionParsnip: i want a "shut down the computer button now" option, without first logging out of oprnbox, and using light dm to do it.
[02:12] <ThaoLinh> how
[02:12] <new2ubuntu> brb, going to boot into xubuntu! and give it a world.
[02:13] <ThaoLinh> Co ai o day khong
[02:13] <ThaoLinh> xin chao
[02:13] <hylian> new2ubuntu: wait, you just need to log out of unity. it will be available on the log in screen
[02:13] <ebs512> !paste
[02:14] <usr13> ebs512: Thank you.
[02:14] <ebs512> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1184855/
[02:15] <hylian> ActionParsnip: I was using qshutdown. but that doesn't work on my new laptop.
[02:15] <Cpudan80> Hello folks, does anyone have a good tutorial for adding flash support to Google Chrome on 12.04 (64 bit)?
[02:16] <usr13> ebs512: lsb_release -i  #Paste the output here.
[02:16] <hylian> Cpudan80: well the first thing to do is not install flash 64 bit plugin. it doesn't work. you need to install the 32 bit version. sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer should do the trick in terminal
[02:16] <ebs512> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[02:17] <Cpudan80> hylian: Yeah I got that installed.... but I can't seem to view flash vids in Chrome
[02:17] <hylian> Cpudan80: and you where sure it didn't install the 64 bit version, right?
[02:17] <Cpudan80> hylian: hrm... it appears to be working now... not sure what I did...
[02:18] <Cpudan80> Maybe I hadn't restarted chrome or something
[02:18] <hylian> Cpudan80: glad to hear it.
[02:18] <usr13> ebs512: dpkg-reconfigure gnome-shell
[02:18] <usr13> ebs512: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-shell
[02:18] <Cpudan80> ok so that's good ... got all the stuff I need
[02:18] <hylian> Cpudan80: have a good night!
[02:18] <Cpudan80> Only weird issues now is the XChat window title bar takes two lines instead of one...
[02:19] <Cpudan80> But - I can live with that I guess
[02:19] <hylian> Cpudan80: hmmm. how large is your display?
[02:19] <ebs512> still have held broken packages :/
[02:19] <hexag0n> Hi all, I've been having a huge issue when using any ubuntu-based distro. I've tried ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, linux mint, and various other distros and they constantly lock up and the mouse lags sometimes and most of hte time I can't even get through the installer screen. I've also tried both 64 bit and 32 bit versions of distros and it still has the same problem. If anyone has any idea on
[02:19] <hexag0n> what I should do so I can install ubuntu or something ubuntu based that would be amazing.
[02:19] <hexag0n> the*
[02:20] <Cpudan80> hylian: it's 1366 x 768, no amount of resizing fixes the problem
[02:20] <fausto> hey
[02:20] <Cpudan80> hylian: but I'm using gnome 3 instead of unity though, not sure if that's the cause?
[02:20] <hylian> Cpudan80: ohh. yeah, i have seena problem like that on netbooks, but you have more than enough screen size.. strange.
[02:20] <ero-jiji> hexag0n have you run a full memory diag?
[02:20] <usr13> hexag0n: Sounds like a hardware issue.  I would first do memtest
[02:20] <fausto> if some one is reading this write  rogo
[02:20] <xangua> ebs512: are you using a ppa¿
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> fausto: we can see you
[02:20] <ebs512> I think I originally installed with ppa
[02:21] <fausto> tx
[02:21] <hexag0n> How can I do a memtest? Am I able to do it from a Linux Mint liveUSB or something like that?
[02:21] <Cpudan80> hylian: Yeah I mean stretching the window to the full width gives it more than enough room, but it still goes to two lines.....
[02:21] <hexag0n> or an ubuntu one?
[02:21] <hexag0n> anything is fine as long as I can get this issue fixed.
[02:21] <ebs512> then I realized 3.5 wasnt working so I was trying to uninstall to reinstall with 3.4
[02:21] <hylian> Cpudan80: i don't know, could be. I am using gnome3 too, but i use irssi, not xchat. sorry.
[02:21] <usr13> hexag0n: LiveCD
[02:21] <Cpudan80> hylian: the guys in #xchat said it was ubuntu, so I tried it on Fedora and it exhibited the same behavior...
[02:21] <usr13> hexag0n: It is a boot option.
[02:21] <fausto> how can i look how much memorie i have in my computer
[02:21] <ero-jiji> hexag0n UBCD or livecd work
[02:21] <hexag0n> oh, it only works with CD's? it won't work with a USB stick?
[02:21] <Cpudan80> Although not quite as bad in Fedora
[02:21] <usr13> fausto: free
[02:22] <usr13> fausto: or  cat /proc/meminfo
[02:22] <hylian> Cpudan80: i have nearly the same resolution, so iam gonna run xchat and see what i get
[02:22] <fausto> usr13: uh!
[02:22] <ero-jiji> hexag0n UBCD works on usb iirc
[02:22] <hexag0n> alright, thanks
[02:22] <Cpudan80> hylian: Yeah I'd appreciate that -- just run it and join any old channel, they all show the problem
[02:22] <hexag0n> I will give that memtest thing a shot and if I get any errors I'll know that's the case
[02:22] <usr13> fausto: Open a terminal, type  cat /proc/meminfo  #and hit enter.
[02:22] <hexag0n> thanks
[02:22] <ebs512> I do believe I did ppa
[02:23] <usr13> fausto: (assuming by memorie you mean memory)
[02:23] <hylian> Cpudan80: hmm, it does seem awfully thick. I think it's trying to accomadate that fun little rounded corner thing on the top of gnome 3. that's just a guestimation though.
[02:23] <usr13> fausto: (memory as in RAM or Random Access Memory)
[02:23] <fausto> yes
[02:24] <fausto> usre13:yes how
[02:24] <Cpudan80> hylian: Yeah... I wonder if I can ask in #gnome
[02:24] <new2ubuntu> hylian, I'm now using xfce session. it's pretty cool.
[02:24] <usr13> fausto: Do you have Ubuntu installed on your computer?
[02:24] <fausto> usr13: ram
[02:24] <hylian> Cpudan80: couldn't hurt. or you could install something light like lxde, and then log into that and see if there's a difference. or i could log out, go to lxde, and check it out.
[02:25] <fausto> usr13: yes
[02:25] <Cpudan80> hylian: well yeha but I mean, a lot of people use xchat/gnome... you'd think someone would have noticed..
[02:25] <lauratika> can some one help me with my monitor settings i get mirror display and seems that ubuntu thinks i have 2 monitors, is this correct?
[02:26] <new2ubuntu> well this isn't cool, the terminal in xfce doesn't show any text, unusable?
[02:26] <hylian> new2ubuntu: you can righ click on those bars, choose unlock, and the pull the bars where you want. so you can have the one on the bottom just like windows if you want. or you can up to 4 bars, and really clutter the machine up. :)
[02:26] <usr13> fausto: Open a terminal, type  cat /proc/meminfo  #and hit enter.
[02:26] <fausto> urs13: how ??????????????????
[02:26] <hylian> Cpudan80: there's a lot of geeks like me on here that use just the console. in which case they are using irssi.
[02:27] <Cpudan80> true true
[02:27] <Kevin1a> I'm having this strange issue where I get a pronounced and recurring audio stutter. (as it it is constantly buzzing and stuttering, and sometimes the music sounds 2 layered)  Anyways, it happens in Both Ubuntu and Windows 7, and get this: when I move the mouse around the screen really fast it fixes the audio.  Stop moving the mouse = audio stutter.  Any ideas what this might be?
[02:27] <hylian> Cpudan80: i'm gonna take a look. brb
[02:28] <fausto> urs13: how ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[02:28] <usr13> fausto: Open a terminal, type  cat /proc/meminfo  #and hit enter.
[02:28] <usr13> fausto: Open a terminal, type  "cat /proc/meminfo"  (without quotes), and hit enter.
[02:28] <new2ubuntu> Kevin1a, systemboard problem?
[02:29] <Onlyodin> Kevin1a, sounds like a hardware issue. I'd recommend talking to your hardware manufacturer's support people.
[02:29] <zabomber> Kevin1a: onboard sound or card based sound?
[02:29] <hylian> Cpudan80: iam logged into openbox, and the problem went away. it has to be the desktop environment.
[02:30] <usr13> fausto: Ctrl-t  and type:  cat /proc/meminfo  #and hit enter.
[02:30] <Cpudan80> hylian: yeah, it's not an xchat problem, the problem goes away in unity too
[02:30] <Cpudan80> But I don't really like unity...
[02:30] <usr13> fausto: Ctrlt-t means to hold the Ctrl key while hitting t  which will bring up a terminal screen.  Then type  cat /proc/meminfo  #and hit enter.
[02:31] <usr13> Sorry, I tried....
[02:31] <hylian> Cpudan80: your preaching to the choir there. but I am the guy that uses openbox 99% of the time.
[02:32] <Kevin1a> zabomber: I've tried both ways.  Right now I have onboard disabled and am using a soundcard
[02:32] <Kevin1a> That's what's strange about this.  It's cross OS, and I get a stutter with every different sound card I've tried.
[02:32] <new2ubuntu> zabomber, It sounds like the motherboard to me, if this happens in both windows and linux. He said it stops when he moves the mouse? weird, so MB is the problem.
[02:33] <redbox16856> new to BackBox, i have intel GPU on my laptop, connected to HDMI and no sound. any ideas :-)
[02:34] <hylian> it's been nice talking to you guys, Cpudan80 new2ubuntu, but I need some shut eye now. good night!
[02:34] <Cpudan80> hylian: well thanks for checking anyway - at least we're all in the same boat
[02:34] <Cpudan80> Thanks -- goodnight!
[02:34] <new2ubuntu> yeah me too hylian good night man, thanks for the help.
[02:34]  * hylian fades out of reality
[02:34] <new2ubuntu> how did he do that? the fades out of reality?
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: type:  /me first person verb
[02:35] <new2ubuntu> I'm still learning the trick with this xchat thing
[02:35]  * new2ubuntu sleep
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: its a standard irc command
[02:35] <new2ubuntu> ah ok
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: 1st person, so it would be:  /me sleeps
[02:35]  * new2ubuntu getting very sleepy!
[02:35] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: well, first person present tense
[02:36]  * ActionParsnip is teaching new2ubuntu
[02:36] <Kevin1a> I had some suggestions a while back, I actually recognize a username or two on here right now.  We worked through the normal fixes for sound problems, but I didn't notice the mouse thing until today.  This is the oddest problem I've ever had.  Do you think it could be cross-electrical interference from the way the drive cables are running in my case?
[02:36]  * new2ubuntu is learning new tricks in xchat :)
[02:36] <ChogyDan> hey folks, drag and dropping the little address bar icon from chromium to the desktop doesn't create a link, it saves the page.  Can I haz some helps?
[02:36] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: you got it
[02:37] <ActionParsnip> ChogyDan: if you use the cog menu, you can make a web app (if that's how it's phrased)
[02:37] <new2ubuntu> now if only I can learn how to manually install tar.gz files!
[02:37] <Froward> hey hey hey, kids!
[02:37] <Onlyodin> fat albert!
[02:38] <aw159> yap
[02:38] <aw159> Im ms cleo
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: depends on the app really, saying its a tar.gz doesn't tell us much
[02:38] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: it could be source, it could be binaries
[02:38] <ChogyDan> ActionParsnip: I don't think that is how it is phrased, cause I don't follow
[02:38] <aw159> Yap
[02:38] <aw159> Im seeing a new baby
[02:38] <lauratika> some one expert on clementine?
[02:38] <aw159> yap
[02:38] <Froward> so guys, I'm installing ubuntu for the first time in ages, on a laptop
[02:38] <aw159> yap :P
[02:38] <Froward> is there a specific distro I should get, or is vanilla ubuntu best?
[02:38] <aw159> no
[02:38] <aw159> use Debian
[02:39] <aw159> or ArchBang
[02:39] <Froward> why?
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> ChogyDan: possibly under the tools submenu, it makes an icon on the desktop that you  can double click and go directly to the website
[02:39] <new2ubuntu> I tried before installing a theme that was a tar.gz file but I couldn't get it, even with instructions. they didn't work, kept saying command not found, etc. so I gave up.
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> Froward: go with Ubuntu for now
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: is there no how to on the web?
[02:39] <pyrrhic> Black Screen after idling for several hours. Computer is still on, just the display is unresponsive. Ideas?
[02:39] <Froward> I have a 3 core laptop.. should I go with 64 bit or is 32 bit more stable? are there any benefits to 64?
[02:39] <ActionParsnip> Froward: ubuntu is great for newcomers to linux
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> Froward: both are equally stable, how much RAM do you have and what do you use your OS for?
[02:40] <new2ubuntu> yes, but they said to change directory to where the file is located and I don't even know how to do that in the terminal, so I lost lol
[02:41] <Froward> ActionParsnip: your standard internet/movies/email shbang, but I thought I might try to run some games in WINE
[02:41] <L1> Still having issues with my NTFS drive showing as RAW in Windows, but mountable in Ubuntu. I have run testdisk, and it correctly identifies the partition on the disk (size, type etc), and can list files. I have writted the partition structure back to the disk with testdisk, but Windows still sees the drive as RAW.   But it would be nice to track down a bug report, or know how/where to file a bug.  ie, I would like chrome to just work the way it is supposed to
[02:41] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: what is the theme archive filename you have?
[02:41] <theixle> Hi, I've screwed up my video card settings trying to install NVIDIA drivers on my ASUS1215N running lubuntu. Any takers on helping me get it fixed?
[02:41] <Froward> ActionParsnip: 4GB. also, I am going to dual boot windows and want to access a NTFS data partition, does ubuntu have stable NTFS write support?
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> ChogyDan: I though that is how it worked....
[02:42] <new2ubuntu> I don't have it now, this was a few months ago on the old ubuntu 10.04.
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> Froward: go with 64bit then
[02:42] <ForSpareParts> Have any of you had success moving an Ubuntu install between two computers *without* doing a clean install and moving over packages and data and such?
[02:42] <lilVaratep> ActionParsnip long time no see
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> Froward: yes it does, but windows has zero Ext4 access at present
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> lilVaratep: hi
[02:42] <Kevin1a> I'm going to unplug some stuff and reboot.  See if that helps my sound.
[02:43] <ActionParsnip> new2ubuntu: Precise uses GTK3, so you will need a theme for that, 10.04 used GTK2
[02:43] <ChogyDan> ActionParsnip: on every other browser I have used, even chromium, you can drag and drop the favicon (the little icon in the address bar) and create a shortcut
[02:43] <aw159> yap
[02:43] <aw159> There's money problem
[02:43] <ActionParsnip> ChogyDan: not used that, i always use the spanner
[02:44] <Froward> this article cleared up my questions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit thanks ActionParsnip  :)
[02:44] <killer_> how do i run java programs in ubuntu (ide not preferred)
[02:44] <ebs512> guess there is no fix?
[02:45] <ForSpareParts> Froward: re: Windows -- might be easier to install Windows first and then use Wubi to install ubuntu. Assuming this is a clean install?
[02:45] <ActionParsnip> killer_: install java, run apps with jaa
[02:45] <new2ubuntu> ebs512, I didn't see your question, like I would know the answer to it anyway, but I like to help if I can.
[02:45] <ChogyDan> ActionParsnip: either way, I don't want an application, I just want a shortcut.
[02:46] <Froward> ForSpareParts: :)
[02:46] <ebs512> it isnt allowing me to install gnome-shell-extensions, saying unable to correct problems, I have held broken packages
[02:46] <new2ubuntu> what ubuntu are you using, ebs512 ?
[02:46] <killer_> ActionParsn : i installed java....now which compiler 2 use
[02:47] <ebs512> 12.04
[02:47] <xangua> ebs512: did you add a gnome ppa¿
[02:47] <ebs512> xangua how do I do that?
[02:47] <xangua> ......
[02:47] <theixle> Hi, I've screwed up my video card settings trying to install NVIDIA drivers on my ASUS1215N running lubuntu. Any takers on helping me get it fixed?
[02:47] <ActionParsnip> ChogyDan: thats essentially what it is, it loads the browser and goes to the site and uses the site's logo as the icon
[02:47] <new2ubuntu> you may have gotton a bad image or something, because I'm running the same thing without any problems. when does this happen? ebs512
[02:47] <ebs512> oh oops, I forgot yes I did last night xangua
[02:47] <ChogyDan> ActionParsnip: I know, but it is in app mode.
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> theixle: uninstall the nvidia packages you have except nvidia-common
[02:48] <xangua> ebs512: what ppa did you add¿
[02:48] <ebs512> it was 3.5 and wasnt working so I uninstalled and was trying to install 3.4
[02:48] <killer_> ActionParsnip : i installed java....now which compiler 2 use
[02:48] <ActionParsnip> killer_: then to run your apps, just run the jar file with java and it will execute
[02:49] <xangua> ebs512: again, what ppa did you add¿ what instructions did you follow¿ what is the ppa web¿
[02:49] <Froward> theixle: maybe try #lubuntu
[02:49] <killer_> ActionParsnip : i need 2 compile the programs first
[02:49] <theixle> actionparsnip: Ok, removing nvidia-settings and nvidia-current (bumblebee). Do I need to modify xorg.conf or anything?
[02:50] <theixle> Btw, thanks for being such a people-helper. I see you are handling multiple issues at once :)
[02:50] <Froward> hmmm, running wubi.exe does nothing, even in admin mode! guess I'm downloading a CD image..
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> theixle: it makes it fun, when you reboot you will be using the open source driver
[02:51] <ActionParsnip> killer_: i don't know that much about java, i just use the plugin for web browser
[02:51] <zabomber> Kevin1a: i tend to agree with new2ubuntu... it sounds alot like a hardware issue and most probably mb
[02:51] <Jordan_U> Froward: I would recommend a normal dual boot installation over Wubi anyway.
[02:51] <ebs512> I cant find the link
[02:51] <wilee-nilee> Froward, the cd image doesn't have the installer.
[02:51] <theixle> actionparsnip: Is that the nouveau stuff? I uninstalled it prior to installing the NVIDIA stuff as per a tutorial on the web.
[02:52] <Froward> I think I"m going to ignore advice from this channel until something breaks horribly, which won't be long, I'm sure
[02:52] <aw159> yap
[02:52] <aw159> Froward Im ms cleo
[02:52] <Froward> aw159: look into my future and tell me, how does my install go?
[02:53] <ebs512> oh here we go xangua http://www.filiwiese.com/installing-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[02:53] <theixle> giving this a shot and rebooting, be back soon I'm sure. Thanks ActionParsnip.
[02:54] <ebs512> xangua incase you missed it http://www.filiwiese.com/installing-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/
[02:54] <xangua> ebs512: what you are going to do now is install ppa-purge to remove all the packages from that ppa, sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[02:54] <xangua> and then run: sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[02:54] <xangua> you didn't need to add that ppa on first place
[02:55] <theixle> ok, uninstalled the nvidia stuff but resolution is still stuck at 640x480
[02:56] <theixle> bumblebee is still installed if that matters
[02:58] <ebs512> then I can install the gnome-shell-extensions xangua?
[02:59] <xangua> ebs512: if you don't know that you are doing better don't add any third party repositorues
[02:59] <xangua> repositories*
[02:59] <ActionParsnip> theixle: oh, you have hybrid graphics?
[02:59] <theixle> open synaptic, did a search on 'nividia' and the installed packages are 'bbswitch-dkms', 'bumblebee', 'jockey-common', 'jockey-gtk', 'libvdpau1', 'nouveau-firmware', and 'nvidia-comm'
[02:59] <ebs512> oh okay, sorry about tha
[02:59] <ebs512> that
[02:59] <theixle> nvidia optimus card
[02:59] <ActionParsnip> theixle: you'll have issues with that, i've never seen a success with taht technology
[02:59] <theixle> I think that's what you mean, it has the intel/optimus switching software that doesn't work on linux
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> theixle: if you can disable one of the video chips then do it
[03:00] <theixle> actionparsnip: Well, I just need to fix what I broke atm :)
[03:00] <ActionParsnip> theixle: yes, its a tonne of headache in Linux
[03:00] <theixle> actionparnsip: I've given up on connecting to my external monitor or getting any use out of the optimus hw.
[03:01] <theixle> actionparnsip I just want to figure out why the resolution is broken and fix that.
[03:01] <xangua> ebs512: and gnome shell extensions already are on the ubuntu repository, if you added the second ppa that web mentions remove it too wiht ppa-purge
[03:01] <ActionParsnip> theixle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics  may help. Its best to just avoid the whole thing altogether
[03:03] <theixle> actionparsnip: Think you could help me just get back to the nouveau set up before I tried installing any of the nvidia stuff?
[03:03] <ActionParsnip> theixle: once you uninstall the nvidia packages, reboot
[03:03] <theixle> actionparsnip: I did, no change.
[03:04] <theixle> actionparsnip: Well all but nvidia-common
[03:04] <ebs512> xangua if they are already available why is it blank in the gnome-tweak under shell extensions?
[03:04] <xangua> ebs512: did you already remove both ppa with ppa-purge¿
[03:05] <wilee-nilee> ebs512, gnome tweak does not list the exstensions.
[03:05] <ebs512> I dont know which other ppa there is
[03:05] <xangua> the one the web you gave me mentions ebs512
[03:07] <wilee-nilee> hehe without that ppa
[03:08] <theixle> actionparsnip: Any advice after remove nvidia packages and reboot?
[03:08] <ActionParsnip> theixle: if you run:  sudo lshw -C display     is the driver for the nvidia chip the nouveau driver
[03:09] <ebs512> I dont see any other ppa it talks about xangua?
[03:09] <theixle> actionparsnip: When I run that command several things get displayed but on the same line so they overrun each other.
[03:10] <Xirre> If I wanted to make a Shell Server where people can upload only a specific file type, (.dmb and .rsc) how would I go about doing so? They can also run, 'DreamDaemon "world.dmb" <port>' which will be a command to be ran. It basically runs the .dmb file and it opens the world so others can join. Is there any way I can do this?
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> theixle: you can scroll the terminal back...
[03:10] <theixle> actionparnsip: Oh wait, it displayed something after that
[03:10] <ActionParsnip> theixle: look for   driver=
[03:10] <xangua> ebs512: how many ppa's did you add¿
[03:11] <SteinerRecliner> f
[03:11] <theixle> actionparsnip: There is a display:0 and display:1 UNCLAIMED with fields and data like product, vendor, description, etc but no driver field
[03:12] <ebs512> I dont remember, all I know is I went to several websites and was trying a lot of different things to get this to work, when I rebooted I had Gnome as an option. Gnome Classic, Gnome Classic (no effects), Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D as an option in the login screen
[03:12] <theixle> actionparsnip: product info for both is N10 Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[03:13] <xangua> ebs512: then did you already run¿:  sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[03:14] <Rallias> Is there a program/script I can use to dump a video frame-by-frame into png format?
[03:14] <ebs512> xangua: yes I did
[03:14] <Xirre> Is there anyone assisting me?
[03:14] <theixle> actionparsnip: Hrm, there is a driver field, it says i915
[03:15] <ActionParsnip> theixle: yes thats the intel chip
[03:15] <pyrrhic> Youtube videos skipping, even with Minitube
[03:15] <pyrrhic> XUbuntu 12.04
[03:15] <xangua> ebs512: if you want to install gnome shell extensions https://extensions.gnome.org/
[03:16] <ebs512> xangua: let me explain what I am trying to do, I am trying to get themes to work on Ubuntu 12.04, a lot of them are not showing up in the appearance section of Ubuntu under the Themes section, they are listed as GTK 2 and GTK 3 Themes, I want themes that work on Ubuntu 2D (default, which is what I'm using)
[03:16] <wilee-nilee> Xirre, If you are going to use the ubuntu server try #ubuntu-server
[03:17] <xangua> ebs512: use only gtk3 themes with precices
[03:17] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: which theme?
[03:18] <theixle> actionparsnip: So I'm using the right hardware, but lxrandr still is only showing 640x480 resolution.
[03:18] <xangua> !info myunity
[03:18] <xangua> ebs512: and for selecting a theme you can use myunity
[03:18] <pyrrhic> Eww PulseAudio..
[03:18] <ebs512> well I have tried the Midnight MacOSX theme and with ubuntu tweak it switched but the text look like crap (black ontop of black) and not everything appeared to be themed as in the screenshot image of where I got the theme from
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> theixle: its a pain in Linux using optimus hardware
[03:19] <theixle> actionparsnip: I don't want to use the optimus hardware. I just want to use the intel hardware and the nouveau drivers and get my resolution fixed...
[03:19] <Xirre> wilee-nilee, I was thinking of using jsut regular Ubuntu. Should I be using Ubuntu Server? I currently run a shell server on my mac..But I have to manually put the files in. I don't know how to set up SSH or do everything accordingly so I am switching to Ubuntu.
[03:19] <pyrrhic> ActionParsnip: Alternatives to PulseAudio on Xubuntu?
[03:19] <MHazell> Isn't NVIDIA working on Optimus for linux?
[03:20] <ActionParsnip> theixle: check if your BIOS can disable one of the GPUs
[03:20] <theixle> MHazell: Not for me!
[03:20] <ActionParsnip> MHazell: no idea, I'm still avoiding it like Paris Hilton avoids talent
[03:20] <theixle> actionparsnip: Ok, gonna reboot and dig around but I didn't see this lat time I looked.
[03:21] <zx2c4> just released my password manager
[03:21] <zx2c4> http://zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/
[03:21] <ebs512> basicially the theme effect I'm going for is a theme that's digital like the computer screens in Iron Man, if you get what I'm talking about
[03:22] <ebs512> I did get conky but the styles that are available really arent what I'm looking for, I did get docky for a mac os style dock with a reflection
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: hunt around and you can find a GTK3 theme, then just get a wallpaper and an icon set
[03:23] <MHazell> Anyone in here have a current gen Gazelle from System76?
[03:24] <theixle> actionparsnip: Nothing in BIOS. Another tidbit: the resolution is correct on the "splash" screen lubuntu shows while booting. The resolution drops to 640x480 at some point during that process though.
[03:24] <ebs512> when I start My Unity it says "Your Ubuntu 12.04 is running in 2D mode. Many features will not be available"
[03:24] <theixle> actionparsnip: The resolution was fine on the fresh install of lubuntu. Do I just need to reinstall?
[03:25] <ActionParsnip> theixle: its one solution I gues probably easier
[03:25] <MHazell> ebs512: then you are running Unity 2D
[03:25] <ebs512> should I be in regular ubuntu, not 2D?
[03:25] <MHazell> Depends on your graphics hardware.
[03:25] <ebs512> have an intel hd 4000 graphics card
[03:26] <MHazell> Then it should run Unity just fine
[03:26] <ebs512> when I logged in I chose Ubuntu 2D mode, should I have just chose the regular "Ubuntu" ?
[03:27] <MHazell> Don't choose the 2D one thn
[03:27] <MHazell> Then
[03:27] <ebs512> okay brb
[03:27] <MHazell> Alright
[03:28] <theixle> actionparsnip: Should I be able to reinstall without wiping out personal data or will I have to format this partition?
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> theixle: sure, you can use your backups
[03:29] <gufran> hi there, I am having a strange problem on toshiba satellite while trying to upgrade the RAM. this is just bizzare. I lose about all of the hardware when new RAM stick is in place, but everything works perfectly with only the old RAM stick in place
[03:30] <theixle> actionparsnip: Sorry, I didn't follow. My backups?
[03:30] <ActionParsnip> gufran: I suggest you ask in ##hardware
[03:30] <ebs512> okay now I didnt get that error when I opened MyUnity
[03:31] <ActionParsnip> theixle: yes, if your data is importnat you wil have put it on a removable storage or a remote system. a backup copy of the data
[03:32] <theixle> actionparsnip: Oh, ok but there's no method of doing it without backing up my settings or keeping the programs I've compiled or python modules I've installed etc?
[03:32] <gufran> ActionParsnip: Hey, thanks. I'll definitely ask it in there but honestly, it doesnt seems like a hardware issue because RAM stick works perfectly on other laptop and no other stick works on this satellite machine.
[03:33] <ebs512> thanks for the help guys, will be searching for some nice themes and some nice icon packs+wallpapers
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> theixle: backup what you need and reinstall
[03:33] <ActionParsnip> gufran: I sugest you test the RAM in the intended system using the memtest86+ option in Grub
[03:34] <gufran> ActionParsnip: That is a brilliant idea. could you please advise me on memtest86+ ? I have no experience with it.
[03:35] <theixle> actionparsnip: Ok, well thanks for your help. I'll just back up what I can and start over.
[03:36] <gufran> ActionParsnip: By the way, here is my issue in detail http://superuser.com/questions/469677/upgrading-ram-on-ubuntu-12-04-caused-major-hardware-failure if you dont mind looking into it
[03:37] <aresta> hai
[03:37] <ActionParsnip> theixle: why do you not have a backup anyway? I assume your data is important to you..
[03:38] <theixle> actionparsnip It's not so much the data, it's settings, configurations, and some custom python modules I installed (such as pygooglevoice) that I'm not sure how to backup.
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> theixle: those are just data files too, and can be backed up
[03:39] <zymaster> Hey guys just curious, anyone know how to install adobe reader on ubuntu? I download the bin file and try to execute it. I get permission denied. I do chmod +x on it. Then I try to execute it again, and I get bash: ./AdbeRdr9.5.1-1_i486linux_enu.bin: No such file or directory anyone know whats going wrong?
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: where is the file located?
[03:40] <theixle> actionparsnip: Yeah, but I never thought to start backing up each and every config file I modified.
[03:40] <zymaster> ~/Downloads
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: and what is the output of:  pwd
[03:40] <ActionParsnip> theixle: it makes system restores easier :)
[03:40] <xangua> zymaster: or you could just install it from the software center
[03:40] <zymaster> "/home/zymaster/Downloads
[03:40] <theixle> actionparsnip: Apparently :)
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: chmod +x ~/Downloads/AdbeRdr9.5.1-1_i486linux_enu.bin; sudo ~/Downloads/AdbeRdr9.5.1-1_i486linux_enu.bin
[03:41] <zymaster> xangua: adobe reader isn't in the software center
[03:41] <ActionParsnip> !info acroread
[03:41] <xangua> zymaster: you need to enable the partner repository in software center-edit-sources-other software
[03:42] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: you need to mark the file executable
[03:42] <zymaster> ActionParsnip I did. I got permission denied before that. After that, I got no such file or directory
[03:42] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: is the file owned by your user?
[03:42] <zymaster> yeah
[03:43] <pyrrhic> ActionParsnip, PM me
[03:43] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: sudo chown zymaster:zymaster ~/Downloads/AdbeRdr9.5.1-1_i486linux_enu.bin
[03:43] <ActionParsnip> pyrrhic: i'm kinda busy
[03:44] <pyrrhic> ActionParsnip, Is posting the question here alright then?
[03:44] <ActionParsnip> pyrrhic: yes, more people can aswer too as well
[03:44] <zymaster> Lol ACtionParsnip I have permission for it, I can copy it delete it do whatever I want with it except execute it. When I do that, it  tells me I have permission but the file is not found. FYI it is marked as executable.
[03:44] <andrewh192> hey, was wondering, i recently recorded a video podcast using the cheese software and was wondering how i might be able to encode it or save it as a mp4 or ogg file instead of the proprietary weird file format?
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: i suggest you move the file to $HOME and it will be easier to run
[03:45] <pyrrhic> http://linuxpoison.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/how-to-run-aspnet-applications-mono-on.html ----- I followed that and I'm unsure how to install Mono/.Net 4.0 on 12.04
[03:45] <andrewh192> also, I noticed that i can change gstreamer-properties but wasn't sure how actually to go about that...
[03:45] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: also change the name to something simpler
[03:45] <andrewh192> is that a terminal command that i need to use?
[03:45] <zymaster> OK thanks
[03:46] <andrewh192> or is that something in my general settings stuff that i can find?
[03:48] <andrewh192> right now, its (cheese) is saving the video as a webm file.. i would need to save it as a more common video file, such as mp4 or avi even....
[03:48] <zymaster> Here ActionParsnip I copied it to / look at this paste see if you got any clue whats a matter
[03:48] <zymaster> root@Laptop:/home/zymaster/Downloads# cd / root@Laptop:/# ls bin    dev   initrd.img     lib64       mnt   root  selinux  tmp  vmlinuz boot   etc   installer.bin  lost+found  opt   run   srv      usr cdrom  home  lib            media       proc  sbin  sys      var root@Laptop:/# /installer.bin bash: /installer.bin: No such file or directory root@Laptop:/#
[03:48] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: mencoder or ffmpeg can convert files
[03:49] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: it will be able to convert cheese's own webm file format to something more common?
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: cd /   is the root of the entire filesystem, not the root of home, why are you messing around as root too?
[03:49] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: yes
[03:50] <zymaster> ActionParsnip I wanted to test if it would do that no matter where I put the file
[03:50] <Psi-Jack> Fun.
[03:50] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: the location is moot
[03:50] <gladia> hey
[03:51] <Psi-Jack> So. Reinstalled Ubuntu, last resort, to try to figure out what was causing random crashes of specific things. Chrome tabs, Skype, caffeine, even automount, and apparently also the apport-gtk used to report application crashes is also crashing while trying to report them. LOL
[03:51] <zymaster> ActionParsnip, my question is, why would bash think an executable file does not exist when it is clearly there? ls proves it.
[03:51] <Psi-Jack> Yet, it continues to do so. Fun!
[03:51] <gladia> hello u boys, i'm having this hp webcam issues, it just goes black when i try to use it, can anybody help me?
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: isn't acroread in the partner repo?
[03:53] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: why do you want the adobe reader, ubuntu comes with evince and there are lots of other alternatives
[03:54] <zymaster> ActionParsnip: I want to use it as firefox plugin, and the one firefox plugin I found thats not adobe doesn't work for what I need it for
[03:54] <gladia> omg anybody! lol
[03:54] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: firefox 15 already has it in, its just disabled
[03:55] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: how do i change gstreamer-properties?
[03:55] <zymaster> ActionParsnip the pdf reader firefox has in it even when disabled does not work with what I'm trying to use it for. I need to look at a pdf online text book and adobe seems to be the only thing that works with it
[03:55] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: not played with t, sorry
[03:55] <zymaster> *even when enabled
[03:56] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: is that a terminal command thing?
[03:56] <gladia> y'all make it all a men's thing?
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> zymaster: I believe you can copy the jpds.so from chrome and copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugin and it will work
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: what? the fact I've not messed with gtreamer properties. no, thats just a fact
[03:57] <zymaster> ActionParsnip: I will spend a little more time trying to get this executable file to work if I get too frustrated and give up I'll try that
[03:57] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: ok, just wondering
[03:57] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: wondering what?
[03:57] <nydel> i've copied my wubi root.disk to a bigger partition & switched from unity to cinnamon: now THIS is what i wanted linux to be my whole life. holy hell!
[03:57] <nydel> does anyone else use cinnamon on ubuntu?
[03:58] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: the only reason i have asked, is because in the documentation for cheese, it talks about being able to change a property in there for it so that when i record video its not so sluggish
[03:58] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: something about changing it from using the cpu to the actual video card
[03:58] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: thus being not sluggish...
[03:58] <WeThePeople> how do i access the Trash gui from command
[03:58] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: https://live.gnome.org/Cheese/FAQ#I.27m_getting_a_really_slow_response_with_the_video.2C_the_video_is_sluggish_and_everything_looks_quite_slow.2C_like_as_the_video_lags.2C_what_could_i_do.3F
[03:58] <ActionParsnip> andrewh192: sounds liek the future of compiz, using cpu power if the gpu isn't up to the job
[03:59] <andrewh192> ActionParsnip: would there be a better channel to ask those questions in?
[04:00] <somsip> WeThePeople: rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*
[04:00] <ActionParsnip> somsip: why force?
[04:01] <somsip> ActionParsnip: fair enough.
[04:02] <ActionParsnip> somsip: no, it's a question..why do you need force?
[04:02] <somsip> ActionParsnip: you don't necessarily. I copied/pasted.
[04:03] <ActionParsnip> somsip: I see, you don't need force. The files are not ni use and the user has full access to it's own data
[04:03] <Psi-Jack> Blind, leading the blind. Basically.
[04:03] <fragmachine> man set
[04:03] <fragmachine> oops
[04:03] <IdleOne> Permission denied.
[04:03] <somsip> ActionParsnip: ok. Enough now, eh? I get it. Laziness in copy/paste on my part
[04:04] <fragmachine> does anyone here use conky?
[04:05] <WeThePeople> somsip, was the asteric for a file name?
[04:06] <fragmachine> exit
[04:06] <somsip> WeThePeople: matches anything in there. Which you may not want to do
[04:10] <fragmachine> can someone help me get execigraph working in conky?
[04:10] <fragmachine> I've got execgraph working no problem
[04:11] <fragmachine> ...
[04:14] <ActionParsnip> fragmachine: http://my.opera.com/ubuntunerd1/blog/how-to-install-and-configure-conky-in-ubuntu-3
[04:15] <fragmachine> ActionParsnip: thanks I'll check it out :)
[04:16] <BentFranklin> How can I run a program UNTIL a certain time?  Cron job to find its pid and kill it?   I'm looking on the cheaper side if possible, wondering if there's any reason not to go with a low-end CPU/GPU
[04:19] <nsx> ($! is equal to the pid of the last child process spawned by a shell)
[04:20] <puppy_parade> ForSpareParts, Intel just announced new low end IVB chips. There's a Celeron in there that should be a dynamite linux HTPC chip.
[04:20] <puppy_parade> $42, iirc. dual core, HD2500 graphics
[04:20] <puppy_parade> 35W
[04:21] <pyrrhic> VMWare or VirtualBox for gaming?
[04:21] <ForSpareParts> puppy_parade: Wow. *googles*
[04:22] <puppy_parade> ForSpareParts, http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012090202_Intel_launches_mid-class_and_budget_desktop_CPUs.html
[04:22] <puppy_parade> the 550T celeron. Technically a Sandy Bridge, but stll.
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> puppy_parade: i'm looking at a fitpc (or similar) next. Good fun
[04:24] <Guest89938> Ihave an ATI radeon graphics card in my laptop have installed ubuntu 12.04 card not detected pls help someone
[04:24] <ForSpareParts> puppy_parade: I might be able to scrap an AMD from about 4 years ago (don't know the model, but it would've been top-of-the-line then) -- do you think that would be better for graphics than the Sandy Bridge onboard stuff?
[04:24] <puppy_parade> did AMD do APU's 4 years ago?
[04:24] <Guest89938> can please someone help..Ihave an ATI radeon graphics card in my laptop have installed ubuntu 12.04 card not detected pls help someone
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: if you run:  sudo lshw -C display     is it seen?
[04:25] <conejo> quien a entrado a  .7jguhsfwruviatqe.onion
[04:25] <conejo> ??
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: does your CPU have a video chip built in?
[04:25] <Guest89938> yes ActionParsnip
[04:26] <somsip> conejo: you may need something like tor to access that, if that's what you're asking :)
[04:26] <puppy_parade> ForSpareParts, top of the line 4 years ago for ATI graphics would have been like 4000 or 5000 series. Way more than an HTPC needs, and consumes more power than an SNB chip. For HTPC, SNV/IVB is really good
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: do you see 2 GPUs? an intel ne and an nvidia one?
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> oops ati?
[04:27] <ForSpareParts> puppy_parade: Alright.
[04:27] <leidenfrost> Hello guys. I´m trying to install vmware tools in a virtualized Ubuntu. However, when I run vmware-user this error message shows up: http://i.imgur.com/XzybT.png
[04:27] <Guest89938> ActionParsnip what do u mean?
[04:27] <ForSpareParts> And the Sandy/Ivy chips would do an alright job with HD decoding?
[04:28] <Guest89938> when i run the command it says a few things.. but nothing that u said
[04:28] <conejo> f I have clear that I have to use Tor, but someone in??
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: its as literal as can be, do you see an intel GPU and an AMD GPU?
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: what is the output of:  uname -a
[04:29] <Guest89938>  *-display UNCLAIMED
[04:29] <Guest89938>        description: VGA compatible controller
[04:29] <Guest89938>        product: RV710 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series]
[04:29] <Guest89938>        vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
[04:29] <Guest89938>        physical id: 0
[04:29] <FloodBot1> Guest89938: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:29] <ForSpareParts> puppy_parade: [above, in case you didn't see my question. if you did, apolgies for bugging you]
[04:29] <Guest89938> ActionParsnip this is what it shows
[04:29] <leidenfrost> Linux VirtualXI 2.3.9-29-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP <datetime> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:29] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip:
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: and the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[04:30] <Guest89938> ActionParsnip it shows Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series
[04:30] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: precise
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: so it is detected..?
[04:31] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image precise
[04:31] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: the Precise kernel is 3.2  not 2.3
[04:32] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: Lol sorry, that was a typo
[04:32] <leidenfrost> I wouldn´t be installing vmware tools on debian potato or something like that :)
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: how is this an Ubuntu issue then?
[04:33] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: IMHO is a generic linux issue. I´m just searching for the ubuntu way to solve it. ¨Libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9´ not found¨
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: there is a channel for 'generic linux issues'  it's  #linux
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: this is for Ubuntu specific issues only
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: each distribution of GNU Linux has it's own channel
[04:35] <abe> hi fellas
[04:35] <abe> anyone from florida
[04:36] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: That´s almost true. But there´s also the fact that some distros deal with library issues in different ways.
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: yes tahts why they have their own channels
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: as the users in said channels will have an appreciation of those issues and can advise
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: why not try #redhat or #fedora   it appears to be a redhat kernel
[04:38] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: I thought the problem was ubuntu specific. But thanks for the help anyway.
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: its not an ubuntu kernel
[04:39] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: Neither are the C libraries. But the packaging of the libraries are ubuntu indeed.
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: you aren't using Ubuntu, therefore not supported here...its literally that simple
[04:41] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: How come I´m not using ubuntu? both uname-a and lsb_release outputs indicate I´m using Ubuntu.
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: you aren't, Even warty warhog (the first release) uses 2.6
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> !ops
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> leidenfrost: if you wont listen to me
[04:42] <elky> leidenfrost, please show me where you downloaded ubuntu from
[04:43] <leidenfrost> elky: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[04:45] <luftikuss> What does »barcoding« mean in /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/barcoding? My file contains the string '1Z7SS33C121'.
[04:45] <ActionParsnip> elky: useuname -a outputs: 2.3.9-29-generic
[04:45] <hanslanda> Hello guys, i found a script over the internet to turn off mouse acceleration to improve my skills on a fps game, and it worked...but when i open the game it dont recognize the script i think...and im getting mouse acceleration in game. does anybody know why? (sorry about bad english)
[04:45] <elky> ActionParsnip, i saw what he pasted, yes.
[04:45] <leidenfrost> ActionParsnip: I get it. I´m sorry, maybe I have expressed wrong. The 2.3.9-29 was a typo (Indeed, 2.3.29 is ancient)
[04:46] <elky> leidenfrost, please paste us the line unadultered please
[04:47] <justen> 900~
[04:47] <justen> exit
[04:47] <leidenfrost> elky: Linux 3.2.0-29-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 27 17:03:23 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:47] <puppy_parade> ForSpareParts, was afk. Yes, they do an excellent job with HD decoding. Very low CPU utilization
[04:48] <LiDaR> leidenfrost: how you get that :o
[04:48] <leidenfrost> LiDaR: uname -a
[04:48] <pyrrhic> VirtualBox or VMWare???
[04:48] <pyrrhic> For gaming
[04:48] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: neither have good video drivers
[04:49] <elky> leidenfrost, so you're trying to expect me to believe that you have a kernel for ubuntu that is a greater version than the one i have, but which was made before the one i have?
[04:50] <ForSpareParts> puppy_parade: wicked. Probably go with that, then.
[04:50] <hanslanda> Hello guys, i found a script over the internet to turn off mouse acceleration to improve my skills on a fps game, and it worked...but when i open the game it dont recognize the script i think...and im getting mouse acceleration in game. does anybody know why? (sorry about bad english)
[04:51] <pyrrhic> leidenfrost, =(
[04:52] <luftikuss> hanslanda: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BashScripting
[04:52] <pyrrhic> leidenfrost, alternatives?
[04:53] <leidenfrost> elky: What? No. I was explaining why I thought the library problem was an Ubuntu issue and not a generic Linux one. Here´s the uname screen: http://i.imgur.com/fXzfg.png
[04:54] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: If you are somewhat advanced, you can try Xen. It has a ¨VGA passthrough¨ feature that let´s the guest system access directly into the video card without intermediaries.
[04:54] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: But not all motherboards support it. You require an IOMMU. And that´s as far as I know about Xen.
[04:55] <pyrrhic> Leidenfrost: IOMMU? My mobo isnt that new, but isn't ancient. What's IOMMU?
[04:55] <hanslanda> luftikuss, do you think i have to study bash scripting just to do this job? cant anyone who knows help me?
[04:55] <drismus> Why are some of the open source video drivers packaged when they're in the kernel src? Are they built into the kernel?
[04:55] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: That goes beyond my knowledge. I cant recommend anything but google.
[04:58] <leidenfrost> drismus: open source video drivers come in three parts. 1) The kernel driver that talks to the card, 2) The X driver that drives the behaviour of Xorg and 3) The OpenGL backend in Mesa that handles the hardware accelerated 3D
[04:58] <ShapeShifter499> Hi
[04:58] <pyrrhic> Leidenfrost, Got any knowledge of wine?
[04:59] <ShapeShifter499> Ok I just installed the latest Ubuntu 12.04 amd64
[04:59] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: Some. What´s the problem?
[04:59] <luftikuss> hanslanda: Yes you need to learn simple script handling and usage.
[04:59] <drismus> I see, so the package may provide (2), where the driver source in the kernel tarball is likely (1)?
[04:59] <luftikuss> What does »barcoding« mean in /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/barcoding? My file contains the string '1Z7SS33C121'.
[05:00] <ShapeShifter499> Should I use the graphic drivers (catalyst) from the amd site? Or the ones from additional drivers?
[05:00] <leidenfrost> drismus: yes. And (3) is embedded into mesa.
[05:00] <pyrrhic> Leidenfrost, Trying to get TERA running. The APPDB shows it works. But I don't know how to get a few things going correctly.
[05:01] <drismus> leidenfrost: cool, thanks for the help
[05:01] <luftikuss> ShapeShifter499: Not necessarily.
[05:01] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: Huh?
[05:02] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: Install winetricks.  Then get into the game article in WineHQ and look for ways of tweaking Wine.
[05:02] <leidenfrost> drismus: you´re welcome
[05:02] <ebs512> ActionParsnip are you around?
[05:02] <luftikuss> ShapeShifter499: Politeness is a prerequisite in Ubuntu conversations.
[05:03] <mhahe> If I have more than 2 hdd does it matter which one windows is installed on first? I installed windows on sda and ubuntu on sdb
[05:03] <LiDaR> ShapeShifter499: the additional driver ones will work fine probably
[05:03] <mhahe>  But windows bootloader only sees windows and not ubuntu also grub 2 isn't working
[05:03] <mhahe> I did the repair nothing
[05:03] <leidenfrost> mhahe: That´s because the BIOS is booting from the first drive.
[05:03] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: Im
[05:04] <mhahe> Yea thought so
[05:04] <ebs512> hey luftikuss, any idea on a root launcher for ubuntu 12.04?
[05:04] <mhahe> So I need to install windows on second hdd then ubuntu on first?
[05:04] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: I'm sorry if I said something wrong just was wondering what drivers I should use
[05:04] <Jordan_U> mhahe: You can either change which drive your BIOS is configured to boot from, or install grub's boot sector to the MBR of both drives so that it doesn't matter what the BIOS's order is.
[05:04] <pyrrhic> Leidenfrost, Thanks.
[05:04] <leidenfrost> pyrrhic: yw
[05:05] <Jordan_U> mhahe: No need to re-install either OS.
[05:05] <hanslanda> hello Jordan_U how are u?
[05:05] <luftikuss> ShapeShifter499: Use the built-in drivers. If you obtain an error, please report the error message which you obtain.
[05:05] <ShapeShifter499> LiDaR: Back in version 8.04-10.04 days I had issues that required the official drivers
[05:05] <mhahe> Jordan_u which do u recommend? I tried lookin in bios didn't see any option to select which hdd to boot first
[05:06] <mhahe> Only book order selection I had was internal hdd and external media (use CD etc)
[05:06] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: Ok
[05:06] <luftikuss> ebs512: What do you mean by "root launcher"?
[05:07] <Jordan_U> mhahe: Let's install grub's boot sector to both drives then. Can you boot from an Ubuntu LiveCD/USB?
[05:07] <mhahe> Yea
[05:07] <mhahe> Btw I'm on my phone. Let me get on my spare laptop
[05:07] <ebs512> so I it will open a browser for my files with root and I can edit and add files to my file system without having to do a bunch of commands for root
[05:08] <leidenfrost> Jordan_U: Just guessing, but It would be nice to have an ¨Ubuntu recovery CD¨ which does that with the same automation as the installer.
[05:08] <LiDaR> ShapeShifter499: i did unthinkable things like compile my own kernel and then used official installer too
[05:09] <leidenfrost> What are the channel rules about ranting?
[05:09] <LiDaR> !rules
[05:09] <luftikuss> ebs512: You could add a line in the autostart folder 'gksu nautilus'.
[05:10] <Jordan_U> leidenfrost: If it's not productive support discussion, you shouldn't say it. That rules out pretty much all ranting.
[05:15] <LiDaR> i think #ubuntu-offtopic is a better channel nobody cares if you stray from telling people what tp type there!
[05:15] <ebs512> autostart folder?
[05:16] <elky> LiDaR, #ubuntu-offtopic is for discussion that isn't tech support. This channel is only for discussion for tech support.
[05:17] <ebs512> I would like an icon for the side bar I could just click and it opens in root
[05:17] <ebs512> I did it on the desktop but I forgot how
[05:17] <LiDaR> ebs512: gksu xterm ?
[05:21] <LiDaR> i need a new name Dr_something so i can sound important i think
[05:21] <tenshinoneko> Hello ^_^
[05:21] <ebs512> lol
[05:22] <tenshinoneko> Anyone knows how to make macbook air trackpad work with thumb resting on it? I followed the guide but never made it able to work =(
[05:22] <ebs512> dksu term?
[05:22] <ebs512> gksu term*
[05:22] <ebs512> terminal command?
[05:22] <blackshirt> gnome-terminal
[05:22] <LiDaR> ebs512:  what do you want to run as root a file manager or a terminal  ?\
[05:24] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: From what I'm reading... Ubuntu has all the need drivers for ati/amd graphics and I should only need to use the proprietary drivers if something goes wrong with the included open source drivers
[05:24] <ebs512> I would prefer to have all directories with root
[05:24] <ShapeShifter499> luftikuss: Right?
[05:24] <ebs512> I have create launcher but I need the command for the application
[05:24] <leidenfrost> ebs512: Not to be mean. But that´s a really bad idea.
[05:25] <blackshirt> i think that was not exactly true..
[05:25] <luftikuss> ShapeShifter499: That's right. That's correct.
[05:25] <ShapeShifter499> Ah ok
[05:25] <leidenfrost> ebs512: If you need to run programs as root frequently then try learning sudo.
[05:27] <LiDaR> ebs512: the correct way to use linux is never run anything as root .. user account does eveything perfectly well btw
[05:27] <reciproc8tor> I agree
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> same in any S really
[05:27] <ActionParsnip> OS
[05:27] <[snake]> LiDaR, did you see my host or whatever this time?
[05:27] <LiDaR> [snake]: wasnt looking one sec
[05:28] <blackshirt> root just like one regular user..you can more get protection using MAC like selinux,tomoyo or apparmor
[05:29] <LiDaR> [snake]: let me private you a sec
[05:29] <leidenfrost> blackshirt: That´s a bit overkill IMHO
[05:30] <blackshirt> what you mean with overkill... I don't think so
[05:30] <Guest89938> how to get the OpenGL working on ATI Radeon
[05:30] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: which radeon chip?
[05:31] <Guest89938> ATI Radeon
[05:31] <Jordan_U> mhahe: Still there?
[05:31] <mhahe> Jordan_U, hey man i booted from livecd and just got my spare laptop up. alrighty how do i go about changing boot grub now
[05:31] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: run:  lspci | grep -i vga    what is output?
[05:31] <mhahe> Jordan_U, yea sorry took a while had to find the cd
[05:32] <Guest89938> lspci | grep -i vga
[05:32] <Guest89938> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV710 [Mobility Radeon HD 4500/5100 Series]
[05:32] <TheHumanScience> I need help getting my dell mini netbook with ubuntu 10.04 to connect to to my TV via hdmi. its not recognizing the external monitor of my tv. my graphics card is  Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07). Any help?
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: so it's a radeon 4500/5100
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: not just a radeon
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: radeon is a wide range of gpus
[05:32] <Guest89938> sorry my fault Actionparsnip
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> !ati | Guest89938
[05:32] <ebs512> I need root for usr/share/themes to put themes in this folder
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: run:  gksudo nautilus $HOME     and you can write files and folders wherever you desire
[05:33] <LiDaR> ebs512: themese can go in your ~/ as well im sure
[05:33] <Jordan_U> mhahe: Follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#ChRoot but at step #10, instead of running grub-install run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc". By running "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" you'll ensure that not only will grub's boot sector get installed to both drives, it will also automatically be kept up to date on both drives when you get upgrades.
[05:33] <Guest89938> Actionparsnip !ati | dosent return anything
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> Guest89938: read the factoid ubottu gave
[05:34] <Guest89938> ok
[05:34] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: an easy way i have found is to Create a Launcher on the desktop and put in the Command: gksudo "gnome-open %u". then u can root into any folder with the gui
[05:35] <TheHumanScience> any help with my hdmi issue guys?
[05:35] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: what is the issue?
[05:36] <TheHumanScience>  I need help getting my dell mini netbook with ubuntu 10.04 to connect to to my TV via hdmi. its not recognizing the external monitor of my tv. my graphics card is  Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07).
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: have you considered a newer release? The newer kernel and drivers may make the system just work
[05:37] <TheHumanScience> a newer release of ubuntu?
[05:37] <drag0nius> hello
[05:37] <drag0nius> what is (squid-1) process?
[05:37] <drag0nius> i've stopped and removed squid3 package, but this one was unaffected
[05:37] <drag0nius> and still running
[05:37] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: yes, Lucid was released in 2010, there have been a few releases since then and the newer drivers, Xorg and kernel in the newer version may help your syste,
[05:38] <TheHumanScience> ActionParsnip: i HATE unity. sorry.
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: you DON'T have to use unity
[05:38] <TheHumanScience> i know all about the other releases but not my flavor
[05:38] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: install gnome-panel on Ubuntu 12.04 and it will look like what you have now
[05:38] <LiDaR> drag0nius: squid is a cache/proxy server
[05:39] <TheHumanScience> yea but its still different
[05:39] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: Even using Oneiric wil proabably help and it is EOL after Lucid is EOL
[05:39] <drag0nius> yeah i know, but why was it leftover
[05:39] <hualet> hello, everybody , today i updated my ubuntu, my libreoffice disappeared, now i want to get it back, but it says there are some package dependency not satisfied...so, what can i do?
[05:39] <drag0nius> even when i removed it
[05:39] <TheHumanScience> i dont feel like the distros after 10.04 are all that stable.
[05:40] <TheHumanScience> ive played with them all
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: the drivers etc in it are so old
[05:40] <TheHumanScience> i know...true...but drivers can be updated
[05:40] <m6d4> drag0nius:  have you stopped squid properly then removed it or you just removed it before stopping it ?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: then you will need PPAs
[05:40] <tenshinoneko> Hualet: sudo apt-get autoclean
[05:40] <drag0nius> stopped it and removed i think
[05:40] <pyrrhic> What is XMLlite?!?
[05:40] <tenshinoneko> maybe o.o im new here
[05:40] <drag0nius> it was yesterday
[05:40] <blackshirt> the postrm.script will stop the process
[05:41] <TheHumanScience> ActionParsnip: yea thats what im looking for
[05:41] <drag0nius> or there might've been some trouble stopping it
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | TheHumanScience
[05:41] <drag0nius> how to make sure this one wont ever run again?
[05:41] <hualet> tenshinoneko, ok , i'll try
[05:41] <TheHumanScience> ActionParsnip: but the correct ones...any suggestions in ppas?
[05:41] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: after april next year, lucid will have zero support here as well as zero updates
[05:42] <m6d4> drag0nius: remove it from default run level
[05:42] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: you could try the xorg edgers ppa, its experimental but may help
[05:42] <TheHumanScience> ActionParsnip: i know
[05:42] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: I suggest you try a different DE, or you could install cinammon
[05:42] <LiDaR> doesn anyone still use window maker ?
[05:42] <hualet> tenshinoneko, It doesn't work...
[05:43] <TheHumanScience> ActionParsnip: i might try to upgrade that little thing to 12.04....begrudgingly.
[05:43] <m6d4> drag0nius: give us the output of netstat -plunt|grep squid
[05:43] <ActionParsnip> TheHumanScience: try it in liveUSB first, see if it works
[05:43] <ebs512> TheHumanScience it isnt opening anything when I put that as the command of the launcher
[05:43] <ebs512> it asks for the password and does nothing
[05:44] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: what version of ubuntu are u using?
[05:44] <ebs512> 12.04 LTS
[05:44] <drag0nius> and one more thing, would it be possible to make magnet link enabled torrent client running on server?
[05:44] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: sorry. that command will likely only work in gnome
[05:45] <drag0nius> like instead of using local utorrent it would point at my ubuntu server
[05:45] <LiDaR> drag0nius: on same network ?
[05:45] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: u might try to edit the "gnome-open %u" with "unity-open %u"
[05:45] <drag0nius> yep
[05:46] <LiDaR> drag0nius: just setup nfs
[05:46] <ebs512> with quotes?
[05:47] <drag0nius> yeah, but i want some torrent client running on server
[05:47] <drag0nius> easily accessible from other comps on lan
[05:47] <mhahe> Jordan_U, 3rd step 'sudo mdadm --assemble --scan' returned: mdadm no arrays found in config file or automatically
[05:47] <drag0nius> i've samba file sharing already
[05:48] <TheHumanScience> yes ebs512
[05:48] <TheHumanScience> This may help you get gnome http://askubuntu.com/questions/138705/run-shell-script-from-launcher-with-root-permissions
[05:48] <ebs512> still no go
[05:48] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138705/run-shell-script-from-launcher-with-root-permissions
[05:49] <mhahe> Jordan_U, so i proceeded without it... also step 6 where you mount the /boot partition in /mnt/boot i didnt have /mnt/boot so i made the dir and then mounted
[05:49] <mhahe> Jordan_U, then step 8 none of those folders exist for mounting
[05:50] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: after u get gnome installed go here: http://www.nfotechs.com/change-start-menu-icon
[05:51] <TheHumanScience> ebs512: put this command exactly in the gnome launcher (copy and paste): gksudo "gnome-open %u"
[05:51] <m6d4> drag0nius: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1182323 <- will this help
[05:52] <m6d4> drag0nius: have the location of the downloaded content to the samba shared dir
[05:54] <geirha> ebs512, TheHumanScience: without the quotes
[05:56] <bluebomber> When I'm editing a network connection (in Network-Manager?), what's the difference between "dns servers" and "search domains"? I usually give them both the same IP address and the connection seems to work fine, but I'd like to know the difference.
[05:58] <ActionParsnip> bluebomber: could ask in ##networking too
[05:58] <bluebomber> Thanks, ActionParsnip.
[05:59] <mertcan> I've installed grub on another partition while installing ubuntu, now I plan to install Windows. Do I still have to reinstall grub after windows, or will it stay the same?
[06:00] <bluebomber> mertcan, in my experience, Windows overwrites any pre-existing bootloader (in this case, grub) with its own.
[06:00] <lauratika> hi everyone i have a new installation of ubuntu 12.04 and videos load very slow... i have a dsl conection , what can be the problem??
[06:00] <bluebomber> mertcan, it used to be common practice to recommend that Windows should be installed first, followed by Ubuntu (or whatever distro)
[06:00] <mertcan> So I guess I'll have to reinstall grub. Which way would you recommend doing that?
[06:01] <LiDaR> lauratika: download a video and see if it plays ok .. if it does then its probably net connection speed
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> mertcan: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/live-usb-sticking-grub-2-video
[06:01] <mertcan> oh nice nixie pixel :D Thanks I'll watch that
[06:02] <lauratika> LiDaR: let me try
[06:02] <Guest13826> hello all
[06:03] <ratz> hi friends
[06:04] <tenshinoneko> hello ＠＾O＾＠
[06:05] <lauratika> LiDaR: i been downloading big files and seems ok connection, but just streaming veideos have some issue, reguklar youtube 7 minutes videos.
[06:05] <bharath> while I am compiling the mozilla-central , my laptop temperature is increasing and then shutdowns because it reaches the critical temperature , can anyone help me regarding this issue?
[06:05] <k-stz> hello, somebody know how to kill wpa_supplicant process? (12.04 LTS)
[06:07] <pyrrhic> ActionParsnip, didn't you say you can refresh the crossover games trial?
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> k-stz: kill `ps -ef | grep wpa | awk {'print $3'}`
[06:07] <ActionParsnip> pyrrhic: not sure
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> pyrrhic: its a one of cost if yu don't want the crosover support
[06:08] <geirha> ActionParsnip: If I were to run that, it'd try to kill init
[06:08] <ActionParsnip> geirha: how so?
[06:09] <k-stz> ActionParsnip: thanks but the wpa_supplicant process doesn't die it just reappears with new PID
[06:09] <geirha> ActionParsnip: The parent of /sbin/wpa_supplicant is pid 1, init
[06:10] <lauratika> a good game any one reckon for ubuntu??
[06:10] <k-stz> lauratika: teeworlds
[06:10] <bharath> while I am compiling the mozilla-central , my laptop temperature is increasing and then shutdowns because it reaches the critical temperature , can anyone help me regarding this issue?
[06:10] <lauratika> checking it
[06:11] <geirha> I'm just pointing out the danger of parsing ps non-interactively
[06:11] <LiDaR> bharath: sounds like your fan isnt working \
[06:11] <leidenfrost> bharath: How old is your laptop?
[06:11] <k-stz> geirha: how can i see what what process is parent ?
[06:11] <geirha> k-stz: the third field in ps -ef output shows the parent pid
[06:11] <bharath> leidenfrost, two years
[06:12] <bharath> leidenfrost, I am facing this problem only when I am compiling large files
[06:12] <ActionParsnip> geirha: is the 3rd colomn the parent pid?
[06:12] <LiDaR> bharath: some laptops use software to control the fan others is handled by bios .. you will have to research a bit
[06:12] <leidenfrost> bharath: That´s because only large files stress your cpu so much that gets overheated.
[06:13] <geirha> ActionParsnip: yes. ps -ef | head -n 1
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> k-stz: use print $2   that is the pid of the process, 3 is the parent :)
[06:13] <LiDaR> bharath: acer is one brand that had many issues
[06:13] <bharath> LiDaR,I am using Dell
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> geirha: dohhhh
[06:13] <leidenfrost> bharath: You should clean your cooler. Or underclock your cpu so it generates less heat.
[06:13] <pyrrhic> Anyone experienced with WINE? I'm at a brick wall.
[06:13] <Wiky> How can I download the source code of linux kernel
[06:13] <ActionParsnip> !kernel
[06:14] <LiDaR> Wiky: or go to www.kernel.org for a vanilla one
[06:14] <Wiky> I will,thanks
[06:15] <Ububegin> how can I make the contents of a folder uneditable.. I right clicked and put the option as List Only.. But I cant read the contents of the file.. so the option is Off..
[06:15] <LiDaR> bharath: what model is it ?
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: look into immutable chmod
[06:15] <LiDaR> Ububegin: chmod 000 foo
[06:15] <ActionParsnip> LiDaR: you need read access to list ;)
[06:16] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: with immutable set, not even root can change it (without first unsetting the immutable bit)
[06:16] <bharath> leidenfrost, may I know how to underclock my cpu
[06:16] <k-stz> ActionParsnip: still reappears with new PID the wpa_supplicant
[06:16] <bharath> LiDaR, dell inspiron
[06:16] <geirha> Ububegin: The chattr command can set immutable flag
[06:17] <Ububegin> LiDaR: I cant even access the files..
[06:17] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattr
[06:17] <LiDaR> bharath: keep going what number
[06:18] <Ububegin> I want to access and read the contents of the files.. But DONT want to be able to edit the files... Something like the sudo command needed to edit files
[06:18] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: thats what immutable is
[06:18] <LiDaR> Ububegin: chmod is the command that changes read write execute permissions for a file
[06:18] <bharath> LiDaR, Dell Inspiron N5010
[06:18] <LiDaR> bharath: ok one sec
[06:18] <mhahe> when installing ubuntu i will partition one of my hdds with the following setup /, /boot, /home, swap.... should i set them up as logical or primary?
[06:18] <geirha> Ububegin: then sudo chown root folder; sudo chmod 755 folder; sudo chmod -w folder/*
[06:18] <Ububegin> LiDaR: I want to read only..
[06:19] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: once it is immutable, you cannot edit it, even with sudo.You must first make it un-immutable, then youc an edit it
[06:19] <Ububegin> ActionParsnip: kk, reading up the chattr command now
[06:21] <LiDaR> bharath: it has two video cards ?
[06:21] <Ububegin> ActionParsnip: sudo chattr -R +i  folder.. is this the command
[06:21] <ActionParsnip> Ububegin: sounds good, ou could make some dummy data, or even a copy to test with
[06:21] <bharath> LiDaR, no
[06:22] <drag0nius> anyone familiar with setting up aria2 web client?
[06:22] <Ascavasaion> I had ubuntu, then changed it to Lubuntu, and when I changed back to Ubuntu things got broken.  Lubuntu login still comes up, I then choose Ubuntu and then it tells me that there was an X error and opens Gnome, but without the panels.  I manually have to open a terminal and run gnome-panel to get it to open.  any advice?
[06:22] <LiDaR> bharath: http://askubuntu.com/questions/143791/notebook-dell-inspiron-n5110-overheating-after-installing-ubuntu-12-04
[06:22] <mhahe> when installing ubuntu i will partition one of my hdds with the following setup /, /boot, /home, swap.... should i set them up as logical or primary?
[06:22] <drag0nius> i want to set up some kind authentication for it and enable magnet links for torrent through lan
[06:23] <bharath> LiDaR, the link is not opening
[06:23] <karlg> please, how develop flash card
[06:24] <karlg> please, how develop flash card?
[06:24] <karlg> please, how develop flash card on linux platform?
[06:24] <bharath> LiDaR, yeah working
[06:24] <LiDaR> !patience > karlg
[06:25] <LiDaR> bharath: someone posted about using bumblebee but read all the posts see if anything looks good
[06:25] <hualet> anyone here facing the same problem as i am? libreoffice can't be installed?
[06:30] <LiDaR> hualet: pastebin the error(s)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR: whats up mate
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR: i got the square mouse away, but compiz doesnt run anymore
[06:30] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: nada raping a ftp server with wget and lurking on here
[06:30] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: win win! compiz sucks
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR: lol i like compiz wobbly windows
[06:32] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: did you try freebsd yet
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:lol thats not the good chan to talk about :p
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:im an ubuntu fan for life
[06:34] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: now you sound like an apple user!
[06:34] <fikibok> I have a windows installation right now and I want to dual boot a linux distro with it. I will try Debian but it's kinda hard to get debian to dual boot with windows so can I use ubuntu's "install ubuntu alongside windows" option to install ubuntu first, then delete it and install debian on that partition?
[06:35] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: so its compiz causeing the screwey mouse ?
[06:35] <LiDaR> fikibok: no
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:im not sure mate, nomodeset fixes it but disables compiz
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:so i want compiz running fine, with the square mouse gone
[06:36] <LiDaR> fikibok: that would be blasphemis to the ubuntu users of the world ! however it would work .. :)
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:i tryed fxglr yesterday and its even buggyer
[06:37] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: have you tried windowmaker yet ?
[06:37] <fikibok> yeah I thought so :D Anyway ubuntu's based on debian so I won't be using something very different :D
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR:whats that
[06:38] <LiDaR> fikibok: /join #debian
[06:39] <LiDaR> lotuspsychje: apt-cache search wmaker its cool you might like it
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> !info wmaker
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR: i got the mouse bug even before x, at login screen
[06:41] <LiDaR> x is running at the login screen
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> LiDaR: found bug that looks like mine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/556782 i added reply at bottom
[06:43] <udp`> hi
[06:43] <udp`> someone here using xplico ?
[06:44] <alkisg_web> Hi, for 12.04, is there a kernel available that supports ancient hardware that don't have the cmov instruction?
[06:44] <ikonia> alkisg_web: define ancient hardware
[06:44] <ikonia> alkisg_web: someone hardware support has been dropped from libc so the kernel won't be your only issue
[06:44] <alkisg_web> ikonia: I think it's amd k6
[06:45] <alkisg_web> ikonia: if there's a kernel available, I can try and see if it crashes after the initramfs...
[06:45] <ikonia> alkisg_web: it may work, it's classed as a 586, but I doubt it, plus if it did run, it would run like a hunk of junk as your minimum requirements are nowhere near met
[06:46] <alkisg_web> ikonia: it's an ltsp client, so I don't worry about performance, as long as it works
[06:46] <alkisg_web> Thanks, let me try installing it...
[06:46] <ikonia> alkisg_web: I doubt it will
[06:48] <alkisg_web> ikonia: hmm I don't see a linux-image-586* kernel available... and of course linux-image-generic needs cmov
[06:48] <ikonia> alkisg_web: there wo'nt be a specific 586 one
[06:48] <db6sda8> tomorrow, openSUSE-12.2 will release
[06:48] <ikonia> db6sda8: that is nothing to do with this channel
[06:49] <ikonia> people are quite capable of reading release schedules if they want the information
[06:49] <alkisg_web> ikonia: Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought there was such a kernel available in the archives
[06:49] <ikonia> alkisg_web: nah,
[06:49] <alkisg_web> Hmm so either back to 10.04, or switch to debian, or throw again that one client... (same specs as the other ones, just the cpu is different..)
[06:51] <k-stz> Somebody know a different driver for wpa_supplicant which is safe to use?
[06:52] <k-stz> different means not wext!
[06:52] <Guest88869> Damn, my balls itch!!
[06:52] <ranveer5289> When I copy a file from usb using "sudo cp file.txt /path/to/folder" and when I try to open/edit the file in vim it says "Warning changing a read only file" b'coz which i have to use "sudo vim".
[06:53] <CryptoSec> Hi there,
[06:53] <ranveer5289> So is this the default behavior ?
[06:53] <k-stz> ranveer5289: chmod u+w filename
[06:54] <CryptoSec>  I was wondering if any of you guys know any good screen readers like the text that is being displayed in a browser?
[06:54] <auronandace> alkisg_web: 10.04 for the desktop is only supported until april
[06:54] <tsimpson> ranveer5289: when you copy a file as root (with sudo), then the copy of the file will be owned by root, so it's expected behaviour. is there are reason you need to use sudo?
[06:54] <alkisg_web> auronandace: thanks, although running unsupported software is still better than not running anything :)
[06:55] <alkisg_web> I wonder if I could try booting 12.04 with the 10.04 kernel...
[06:55] <ranveer5289> tsimpson: If I don't use sudo I get "permission denied" error
[06:55] <tsimpson> ranveer5289: where are you copying the file to?
[06:56] <ranveer5289> k-stz: I got this chmod: changing permissions of `test.py': Operation not permitted
[06:56] <ranveer5289> tsimpson: /home/ranveer/
[06:56] <k-stz> ranveer5289: then so it as root: sudo chmod a+w, where a = all and w= write
[06:57] <k-stz> ranveer5289: sudo chmod a+w filename
[06:57] <tsimpson> ranveer5289: did you mount the USB drive manually, or using the GUI?
[06:57] <alkisg_web> Nah that didn't work, kernel panic in the initramfs. Anyway thank you ikonia and auronandace
[06:58] <ranveer5289> tsimpson: manually using "sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /media/PenDrive"
[06:58] <Ascavasaion> I was running Lubuntu, and tried to go back to Ubuntu.  When I rebooted the machine it starts booting but then freezes before opening Ubuntu.
[07:00] <ranveer5289> k-stz: It worked
[07:01] <tsimpson> ranveer5289: I'm guessing the first error you got was a read error, because root owns all the files there (because root mounted the device), the simplest option is to use "sudo chown ranveer: /path/to/folder/file.txt" on the copied file, instead of just adding world write permission
[07:02] <fidel> hi - thinking about setting up an apt-mirror ... any general hints/links/recommendations/factoids before i start searching in detail?
[07:02] <ikonia> fidel: size it for the future, not now
[07:02] <fidel> ikonia: size of the hd or what do you mean?
[07:03] <ikonia> fidel: storage/layout/resources
[07:03] <ranveer5289> tsimpson: thanks will keep that in mind :)
[07:03] <ikonia> fidel: the distribution will grow, others will supersceed it. plan for the future now
[07:03] <fidel> good point - while i have no real experiences how big an mirror will usually get
[07:03] <ikonia> fidel: look at the old ones as benchmarks
[07:03] <ikonia> see how it's grown from day 1 to end of releae.
[07:03] <ikonia> use that as a general idea.
[07:04] <fidel> ikonia: any particular in mind which offers stats about such aspects?
[07:04] <ikonia> fidel: sorry what ?
[07:05] <fidel> ikonia: you mentioned i should check for old ones as benchmarks - i interpreted that as 'look for old mirrors' ...thats why i asked if you have a particular mirror in mind which might offer staticstics about growth etc
[07:05] <muindor> hey all, i have a virtual ubuntu server machine in our test pool, over weekend something happened to our data store, so i saw the filesystem was mounted as read only. later i had to shut down the machine and when i start it now it sais "error: unknown filesystem" and i get grub rescue console
[07:06] <k-stz> ranveer5289: yes tsimpson is right my solution isn't clean you should stick to chown
[07:06] <ikonia> fidel: none of the mirros offer stats, you'll need to actually look at a mirror and look how the previous distributions started/grew
[07:06] <ikonia> muindor: sounds like it's been corrupted
[07:06] <ranveer5289> k-stz: thkanks
[07:07] <muindor> ikonia, is there any way to restore it ?
[07:07] <ikonia> muindor: depends how/why it's been corrupted
[07:10] <jarco> They are making a new gnome/ubuntu mix. But why? Gnome was already installed next to unity in 12.04 over here. I just need to select it in the login screen.
[07:11] <ikonia> jarco: who is they ?
[07:11]  * NoFace hello ppl
[07:11] <jarco> They, several developers :) .https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes
[07:11] <fidel> jarco: there is no need to understand that new ubuntu gnome remix distri
[07:12] <ikonia> jarco: I wouldn't hold that as fact at the moment.
[07:12] <fidel> as there is no real reason for some other ubuntu-based distris..but hell yeah ... thats open source ...let ppl do what they thing they need to do ;)
[07:12] <fidel> *think*
[07:13] <LiDaR> wb me !
[07:13] <jarco> I assume my installation is not unique? Gnome is already installed on ubuntu by default?
[07:14] <ikonia> jarco: if you look at that web page and everything else, it's one guy, he's not put anyt real details on it and all the information it links to (PPA's etc) are empty
[07:14] <ikonia> jarco: I wouldn't bank on it happening as an unofficial release, and it certainly won't be an official release at this stage, I'd ignore it at this stage if I where you